Talk:Autonomous robot

message: When people mention research, without citing it, or adding links, thery might as well not bother. Stan 14:59, 24 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please cite research 

message: I suggest this page be extended. Fully autonomous robots is a new field and definately merits some mention, in fact there's even already much controversy re: the darpa autonomous robot challenge 80.126.238.189 21:37, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia often benefits from pedantry.  My point was that I am saying robots are autonomous, autonomous robot is a tautology, and autonomous ground vehicle is not the same as autonomous robot but it is the same as robotic ground vehicle.  But I am coming around to your POV:  Why not have a page about fully autonomous robots? Psb777 10:01, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: You have to say why it's not autonomous.  A washing machine cannot follow a map from A to B but the Mars Rover cannot wash and dry my clothes. Psb777 07:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  A washing machine requires assistence in the context of washing my clothes. It will perform certain steps automatically, but it cannot find my dirty clothes, wash them and hang them out to dry for me. I'm not sure if it's important yet, but note that a mars rover can more easily be modified to make it  wash clothes than a washing machine can be modified to explore mars. Perhaps there's a certain quality that the mars rover has that the washing machine lacks? 80.126.238.189 11:57, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: No that would be an explorer robot.  It all hinges on the definition of autonomous. Psb777 07:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dare you to call an RQ-4_Global_Hawk simply an explorer robot. It looks like some (generous) amount of tweaking would allow people to put similar capabilites in commercial jetliners. 80.126.238.189 11:57, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Autonomy is not a black and white quality.  An ant is autonomous except under my boot.  A washing machine is autonomous under my boot.  Depends upon the desired task and the environment. Psb777 07:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: It's a subfield of robotics. Besides, that's what wiki-links are there for, to help prevent single monolithic pages. Finally, it looks like people have been editing the page since my last visit, a sure sign that the subject lives and will get more written about it over time. 80.126.238.189 00:44, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whoops, that was you. You definately improved the page. 80.126.238.189 00:53, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Autonomous means able to do some things automatically.  That's all.  And that is why all robots are autonomous. Psb777 07:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  You mean autonomous and automatic might be synonyms? I checked a thesaurus, and hmm, it does not appear to support such a statement. Apparently autonomous and automatic have different meanings. 
Now that's interesting, robotic is sometimes used as a synonym for automatic.
Ok, is your position autonomous=automatic=robotic ?
I do see! Well, according to dictionary.com, autonomous and automatic have different (even almost oppositional) meanings. So autonomous robot isn't a tautology, in fact it's more of a contradictio. Probably the person who coined the term knew this, and chose his/her wording to be deliberately inciteful (sic).
Will you at least acept the NPOV position that some people use the term autonomous robots as a designation for a certain class of robots?  80.126.238.189 11:57, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully autonomous 

message: The Mars rovers MER-A and MER-B can navigate their own routes to destinations on the fly, by:
* mapping the surface with 3-D vision
* computing safe and unsafe areas on the surface within that field of vision
* computing optimal paths across the safe area towards the desired destination
* driving;
* and repeating this cycle repeatedly until either the destination is reached, or there is no known path to the destination
They are also capable of running many tasks autonomously, such as sun-finding, automatic communications sessions, and auto-reboot. -- The Anome 23:59, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: But that is not an exhaustive list of the Mars Rover's capabilities.  Some of the missed ones include "turn left" and "back up".  Like a RC car.  Psb777 07:31, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please explain. 80.126.238.189 11:57, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capabilities of the Mars rovers 

message: I've done some bold editing on the article now. I'll leave it like this for a little while to see what happens next and what people do with it. 80.126.238.189 00:20, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold editing 

message: Everything can only cope with the environment for which it designed / adapted / evolved.
But what, then, is autonomous?  Are you autonomous?  If by autonomous you mean fully autonomous then nothing is.  There is always some constraint.  The Mars Rover is autonomous, say some, but it cannot manufacture its own ball bearings.  The Sony robotic dog toys, say others, are autonomous but they cannot plug themselves into their battery charger.  You are autonomous, I claim, but others deny the existence of your free will.  And you cannot live on Mars.  A factory automaton needs its factory to "survive".
Note my use of "automaton".  We think of "automatons" as being less than "robots" yet, here,  "autonomous robots" are uber-robots?
The terms robot and automaton are synonymous.   And robotic and autonomous are synonymous.  That was my orignal point.
Psb777 02:37, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See above for my response on synonyms.
I think you are programmed to deny that all robots are autonomous, to some degree.  :-)
Psb777 15:00, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point proven:  Article is redundant! 

message: Whereas I am capable of all the things listed as some of the things a fully autonomous robot might need to be able to do in the real world I note
that none of my relatives are.  Psb777 02:52, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humans fail the autonomy test? 

message: The link for Intelligent System needs to be directed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.84.187.110 (talk) 09:58, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link 

message: Autonomy is being distinguished from traditional autonomous systems by Defense Agencies as being able to collect data, analyze, and solve complex problems without human intervention; that is, they look to emulate human cognition and decision making. Traditional autonomous systems have very specific functions based completely on predefined and programmed inputs without the ability to handle complex disturbances.
Autonomy and its use in intelligent systems and cognitive models is becoming a major theme inside such circles. Additionally, it is a key component of advance manufacturing techniques including "big data", "visual cueing" and "sensing"
My point is, this article needs to make some distinctions between new advance autonomy and traditional point-to-point autonomous systems.
Though autonomy (S&T sense) doesn't refer just to robots, but any autonomous system (software, static sensors, etc)
I add this here in the talk page for two reasons:
1) I hope some people more knowledgeable in the field of autonomy (S&T sense), can work on it.
2) These distinctions have really been heating up for only the past year or so and I'm having trouble finding respectable literature based sources  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.238.51.131 (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autonomous vs Autonomy 

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