Talk:Osprey

message: OK, so what is the currently accepted classification of this bird?
Falconiformes? Accipitriformes? The table says one but the text says another!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.171.184.101 (talk) 11:16, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification?

message: There is an illustrative image at  you might want to integrate in the article. Thue | talk 18:33, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old comments

message: the map of the distribution of ospreys is incorrect. they are commonly found around the norfolk coast in the east of england and have been spotted as far inland as Cambridge. not sure how to edit this myself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Actualb3n (talk • contribs) 10:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  osprey facts and information 

message: Actually, this would be one that would be meaty ewnough for an FA one day........Cas Liber 12:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA one day................. 

message: #I've added to the description, but I don't know whether the age/sex plumage differences apply to all ssp (I should have looked at American birds more carefully).
#The image say the Oz ssp is the most distinctive. Why?
#I'd prefer the ssp list outside the taxobox -any views?
:::I agree with you there. I hate taxa lists inside taxoboxes. Better listed and elucidated upon in article properCas Liber 06:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Queries

message: Rather than having a bunch of facts placed in a popular culture section, it should blong in a triva section. I suggest replaving popular culture with triva.Sgt. Hydra 01:34, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although breeding is obviously likely to occur in Venezuela, since birds often summer there, you need a published reference or internet source, since otherwise it is original research, which is discouraged on Wikipedia. jimfbleak 14:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: What does it mean when the article talks about "finger" features.Sgt. Hydra 19:32, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "finger" feathers 

message: Nominated March 14, 2007;
Support:
#Casliber | talk  |  contribs 07:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Osprey is WP birds collaboration

message: The caption under the picture beside the Taxonomy section mentions that the Australian subspecies is the "most distinctive", and yet the description in the taxonomy section merely mentions that it is smaller than the others and non-migratory.  Surely there must be more to it than that! MeegsC | Talk 22:19, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully - will become clear (I guess) as we wade through some references. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian subspecies "most distinctive" 

message: Taxonomy deals with the naming of the taxon and an etymology sub-section here would be expected to explain the meaning of the genus and species names, but the English name origin should perhaps be outside it, maybe in the lead. Shyamal 01:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly, but all points in the lead must be expanded elsewhere in the article. have a look at Common Raven as an example. Also Fin Whale, Humpback Whale and Amanita phalloides as some recent examples of FAs. Often issues of derivation and classification are intermingled, hence for some articles we just call the section Taxonomy and naming. It is tricky but we try to avoid stubby sections. If a great deal more etymolgy info comes up we can review how big it should be cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. There is a good bit here     Shyamal 04:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted! Looks like there's going to be a ton of information and judicious pruning will be required.cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word origin and taxonomy 

message: OK, feel free to chase up a task here:
*There should be alot of info on pesticides and its effects on egg shell thickness etc. The conservation section could be expanded significantly.
*Subspecies differences
*More on taxonomy. Any molecular work come to light?
* Rewrite pop cult section into cohesive pargraphs (see Common Raven as example.
Add more ideas here. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the BNA this is the best studied bird of prey in North America, mostly because of the DDT thing, so the infor should be avaliable. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 02:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To-Do List

message: I've just spent 30 mins going through removing repetition, contradictory statements, inconsistency of style etc. Most of the edits are self explanatory, but I was in doubt whether to leave the plane in pop culture - it's already on disamb, but I don't know whether it's notable enough for the main article??. Jimfbleak 07:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tidying

message: If you can get a look at these articles (without having to pay—I wish I lived closer to a university) they look interesting...
*Individuals in an osprey colony discriminate between high and low quality information
*Organochlorine pesticides, polychlorinated biphenyls, and mercury in osprey eggs—1970–79—and their relationships to shell thinning and productivity
*Weather and Osprey foraging energetics
*Mercury in Eggs and Nestlings of the Osprey (Pandion haliaetus ) in Finland and Its Bioaccumulation from Fish
*Temporal Patterns in Pre-Fledgling Survival and Brood Reduction in an Osprey Colony
*Fall Migration Routes, Timing, and Wintering Sites of North American Ospreys as Determined by Satellite Telemetry
More to come! MeegsC | Talk 08:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get them tomorrow morning when I get in if no one else has. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 09:05, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anybody with journal access 

message: The section give the months of the breeding season by region in Australia, and my reference(The Audubon Society Encyclopedia of North American Birds... my one source) gives the months by region in the US. Is there a reference which has the times by latitude rather than region, or is there no rule of latitude? --Jude. 00:33, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, they are usually included together - since they are all part of what is known as life history (lifespan * number of offspring per year = total lifetime reproductive output); predation (causes of mortality) also play a part. Arguably you can have a section called life hstory or demographics as a subheading of breeding.  Sabine's Sunbird  talk 00:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction section

message: Ospreys are so photogenic that there have been several documentary movies made about them.  Would it be appropriate for this article to mention and link to those documentaries? VisitorTalk 15:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary videos 

message: I can't review this, since I did a lot on it earlier, but I've copyedited and tweaked. A few points
#Oz bit says its sedentary, but a winter visitor to Tasmania - needs rewording
#osprey drowning either needs a cite or removal (there has been a hoax photo claiming to show that)
#Conservation better as part of a status section with the addition of the usual IUCN status bit
#More on persecution, perhaps the extinction in Scotland
#something on culture and superstition - fish turn belly up in surrender - as referenced in Coriolanus. Are there any stamps?
Jimfbleak (talk) 11:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed drowning, as uncited and known to be a target for hoaxes, also non-fish prey (uncited and imprecise - how large an alligator? Predators on ospreys seem plausible but uncited. What's the point of the remaining other references - I'd be inclined to lose them. Jimfbleak (talk) 09:51, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA

message: Hi folks... After asking this same question in the Golden Eagle discussion and consequently reading a lot more about birds of prey I have come to the Osprey page, since it seems to be an Osprey: I am trying to find out what kind of bird of prey it is that nests on my property. Below is a link to two pictures, one of the bird sitting in the tree, one in flight. http://knoglinger.com/pics/ These pictures were taken on Vancouver Island, BC, Canada. My guess it is a young Osprey. I hope that the shot with the wings spread out will help. If it is indeed a young Osprey, I will take efforts to capture a few very good pictures of it. Chaosdna (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: not Osprey, different shape and proportions in flight, pale, eats only fish. This looks like a Buteo, tail looks vaguely red on flight pic, possibly adult dark morph western subspecies Red-tailed Hawk  Jimfbleak (talk) 17:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Jimfbleak, you seem to be found where the bird articles are :P , I will still try to get a few better pictures. There are other raptors in the area too, the ubiquitous Bald Eagle, Golden Eagle and Ospreys. I was just surprised about the size of that suspected bird, for a Hawk it is very big imho. 
Either way, thanks for your response. Chaosdna (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Chaosdna.  Yup, it's definitely a Red-tailed Hawk.  And you're right—they are big, particularly the females.  That lovely strawberry-blond tail is a great field mark for an adult bird, and you've captured it well on your second picture.  How lucky you are to have this as a "yard bird"! MeegsC | Talk 18:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible picture of young Osprey in flight

message: I see edit reverts and reverts of reverts about the spelling of meter vs metre. I suggest we create consistency across the article by either spelling all units metre or meter: So, if consensus is on 'metre', then smaller units of distance mentioned in the article, such as centimeter should also be spelled 'centimetre'. I personally vote for the '*meter' option. This is a trivial point, but why should we engage in a revert war over one occurrence of this unit and not address the rest? Chaosdna (talk) 04:41, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It should follow whichever usage of English the rest of the article is in. Color, behaviour, pavement or sidewalk, whichever goy used first or whichever is used now, go with it. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 05:58, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Metre vs Meter fight

message: Is osprey capitalized throughout this article for a reason? If not, I'll come back and correct that.Lhynard (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is policy that bird species common names (not families of birds or mammals) be capitalized. Dger (talk) 18:29, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification.Lhynard (talk) 01:18, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization

message: I'm interested in the removal of the bolding on Pandion haliaetus contrary to redirected name and WP:ToL general standards.  The second removal today was accompanied by the edit summary "restore bird project standard".  Can anyone supply a link to the WP:Birds page that covers this, I would like to know the reasoning for the choice. --Kevmin § 17:43, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's standard throughout the bird project including GAs and FAs, I can't remember the reasoning, but I'll link to this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 06:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *here Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 07:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolding of the binomial 

message: Don't want to add a photo willy-nilly, but I grabbed this shot the other day if it will help this or a related article: :File:Osprey platform.jpg.  No big deal if you use it or not, just wanted to let you know it's there.  Montanabw(talk) 20:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I am not quite sure why my revision about the new status of Pandion haliaetus cristatus has been removed. I provided a reference and the IOC has accepted the new status. If people do not agree, the issue could at least be discussed in the text. Dogo (talk) 11:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Osprey 

message: The osprey is native to Australia too, a fact neglected on the distribution map. Since my graphical skills are lacking, maybe someone would like to correct this. Peter Greenwell (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The map should show ospreys in Japan too. N p holmes (talk) 11:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some areas you mention based on http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Osprey - only problem with that map is that it does not indicate whether the shaded areas are breeding or a wintering zones. Shyamal (talk) 03:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a better distribution map 

message: While I'm an editor on wikipedia I'm also a user (like a lot of us). I don't have a great deal of knowledge about birds but I recently learned that we had ospreys in Australia. So I looked up osprey on wikipedia to learn more and was left confused by the content of the article. I didn't read it fully; like most users I did a quick scan of the article, mostly at the top. The thing that really confused me was the map which showed no distribution of the bird in Australia. It's at that point I left the article and went and did an internet search on 'Australian osprey' which did turn up some pages on websites specific to Australian birds and then, a bit further down in the search results (I used DuckDuckGo), was an entry for the wikipedia article on the Eastern osprey. Coming back to the main osprey article I clicked on the link to Pandion (bird) in the taxonomic section of the sidebar and that resolved some of my confusion, which has been now further unentagled by looking at this talk page and seeing that there is still some debate about how to treat ospreys on wikipedia. I don't want to join this debate, my knowledge base on this subject is too shallow, but I do want to note that as a user, my experience in using wikipedia to find out about ospreys in Australia was very much less than ideal. Oska (talk) 03:27, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback on this article as a user 

message: The article is the residue of an untidy split, and I know it is incorrect because the things I was going to fix after two days of research was disrupted by lack of endorsement and vindictive behaviour that prompted to fix something elsewhere. cygnis insignis 23:08, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  not a good article 

message: 'and the family listed in its traditional place as part of the order Falconiformes'
Should be written as
"and the family listed in its traditional place as part of the order Acciptriformes" im order to have behave the correct link.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.132.0.2 (talk) 21:26, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This link is NOT correct 

message: Are the extra letters in bold meaningful or just accidents?
* "Ancient Greek haliaietos ἁλιάετος"
* several occurrences spelled "Haliaeetus" (including quote from Systema Naturae, where https://archive.org/details/SystemaNaturae/page/n33 shows "Haliætus")
--Not R (talk) 16:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  spelling variation? 

message: The article contradicts itself - in the lead it says the Eastern Osprey has been recognised as a separate species and there are only 3 subspecies, but under the 1.1 Osprey#Classification section it lists the Eastern as still a subspecies, totalling 4. 2A00:23C6:760A:7F01:6490:458A:4009:5460 (talk) 12:18, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Osprey - yes or no? 

message: In recent years there has been a proliferation of static cameras providing continuous internet feeds of the hatching of ospreys. This has resulted in a considerable interest in the process among people who are not otherwise "birdwatchers" and who have no scientific knowledge.
I imagine many people come to this article seeking knowledge. May I suggest that the article is rather daunting and unhelpful to them? I don't have access to the reference books to improve the article myself; I am hoping that others who are knowledgable in the field could do so. Experts may find my questions naive (for example I don't know what "systematics" means: it is used in the first main heading). Nevertheless I suggest that Wikipedia articles are there to help people who don't know, not for people who already know the answers.
I particularly wanted to know about the finding of a mate; does an unmated individual simply assemble a nest and wait for an eligible member of the opposite sex to discover it, or what? Do nearly all ospreys migrate? Do they generally mate in the cold country or region in the spring, and overwinter in the warm country? Do the pair not associate in the non-mating season? There have been reports in my country of females who have lost mates laying unfertilised eggs. Can the biological process be explained, please? (My parents never told me about this aspect of the birds and the bees.) The males exhibit very specific behaviours in fetching and eating fish during the hatching period; I was surprised not to see this discussed. The map of global range indicates no osprey presence in England and Wales; that seems to be quite wrong.
The very first words in the article are "The osprey or more specifically the western osprey ..." Does that mean those terms are synonymous? If "western osprey" is more specific than "osprey", what does that exclude? In the "classification" section, what does the word "nominate" mean? "The female relies on the size of the nest to conserve heat." What does that mean? The nests I have seen are large and wide, and don;t seem to do anything to keep inclement weather out.
And if I may make a couple of observations about wikilinks, the article tells us that mortality is sometimes due to collisions with "electrical wiring". The wikilink takes us to an lengthy article about mostly indoor domestic and industrial cabling. And the reproduction section has a wikilink to "U.S." where we can read about the Pilgrim Fathers, the civil war, human populaton and religion etc. Both of those links are unhelpful. In fact I will elimnate them now. Afterbrunel (talk) 06:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing to a non-specialist 

message: - There is no need for the information you added. That's handled via the "other uses" link at the top of the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:10, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airplane 

message: In chapter 'Etymology' the first sentence states:
"The genus name Pandion derives from Pandíōn Πανδίων, the mythical Greek king of Athens and grandfather of Theseus, Pandion II." 
 
Very weirdly/ incomprehendably (for me), the second sentence contradicts this (and also seems to me to contradict the actual latin name of the bird): 
"Although Pandion II was not used to name a bird of prey, Nisus, a king of Megara, was used for the genus.[14]" 
 
Do other people understand this (and are willing to reword the sentence either here, for me, in case I am just momentarily 'too stupid', or, which I believe might be necesary, for all future readers, IN the article? 
 
OR ist this (as at seems to me) just pure nonsense/ SPAM/ "trolling"?
If I was totally sure I'd remove it myself; hope someone surer (or bolder) will see this and act.
 
Thanks in advance! :-)  
 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3037:204:FDE4:BC0C:1DEF:4A6C:8143 (talk) 12:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPAM-sentence? 

message: 'Description' chapter talks about ospreys' "tarsi" – follow the link to 'Tarsus' page: this states that birds do not have such. 
 
What is right then? 
 
And what does being "reticulate" mean here???  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3032:417:DFE4:1:1:7645:C419 (talk) 08:36, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Reticulated" refers to the pattern of certain animals. A species of snake called reticulated python gets its name for the prominent scaled pattern, much like the scaled tarsi of many birds 2600:6C44:627F:5865:D028:C3FF:FE4B:8D02 (talk) 02:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarsi? 

message: The range map needs to be updated. Osprey have expanded throughout their range. The map doesn't even show the certain time of year they can be found. I tried to edit the map picture, but I couldn't figure it out. I only know how to edit the text. 2600:6C44:627F:5865:D028:C3FF:FE4B:8D02 (talk) 18:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range map? 

message: The cited source for the Pliny the Elder bullet describes the osprey forcing its young to look at the sun, not to fly up to it. Does a different section of Natural History say this? If so, I suggest citing that source instead. If not, I suggest editing to "stare at the sun" rather than "fly up to the sun." 207.67.20.252 (talk) 19:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural depictions - literature 

message: Which sub-species is the one that appears in central/southern Africa? None of them seem to have this region listed in their description in the Taxonomy section. 155.190.13.13 (talk) 04:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ospreys in Africa?