Talk:Pen-y-Gwryd

message: I didn't start this discussion or the article and I apologize in advance for any toes I've stood on.  There's been good work on this article by all contributors, would welcome more and as diverse information as possible. (Gowron 19:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am glad to see the extra information about the Everest and Kangchenjunga associations and especially the additional photographs.  Many thanks.  You mentioned Chris Briggs on a subject line but not in the text so I have added him to the hotel history, a real oversight.  The mountain rescue plaque is still there but I cannot find an internet reference to P-y-G in that connexion.  I think I prefer the 'thumbs' standard size. NoelWalley 22:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right about the size of the size of the pictures and the reorganisation is better.  Nice touch bringing in Chris Briggs and the mountain rescue. I have some more pictures of the time that Chris  was in charge, with him actually on a mountain rescue, I've also got a picture on Chris with Ed Hillary (its a little battered and needs scanning and then a clean).  His daugther Jane runs Pen-y-Gwryd with her husband Brian.  I think their children, now grown up, are now getting actively involved as well.  There is quite few famous film stars who stayed there, one being "Jack Hawkins".  (Gowron 09:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be great, perhaps too much to hope for, to have a group photograph of the Everest team?  The hotel has a good web-site of its own (and this is linked) with its own history and pictures of the Lockwoods and the Briggs. My own feelings are that it would be too "commercial" for the wiki article to develop much further as an article about the hotel, its present activities and its other former guests. NoelWalley 10:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can find quite a few originals, maybe one early and one later on.  I was rather sad to see my old man looking so ill on the Kangchenjunga photo I'll have a look for an earlier one where more members we alive also, mentally he was as sharp as ever. Agreed on the article's length and content.  I started two knew articles today, Owen Wyn Owen (Babs fame) and Evan Roberts (Botanist) (both from Capel Curig), but very early days as yet.  It will be interesting to follow this, as it looks as though Capel Curig has had more than its fair share of famous people. I'll get onto the Everest shot right away.  (Gowron 12:48, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry you have removed it, I thought it a great asset. NoelWalley 17:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Noel, my fault I felt a little guilty about that one as it was not in reality mine to give away at this juncture, although I will ask for persmission.  Even though the phtographer is not known, it did come from a source I need to check out.  Did you take a look at the other two new images.  If I get the ok, I'll put it back. (Gowron 19:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Robin, they are just great!  If you can get permission to reinstate the B&W, it serves to illustrate the North Wales contribution to the planning and the training for these great achievements - not just the later celebrations! Good luck! NoelWalley 20:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "North Wales contribution to mountaineering and exploration" good point, on that note how do you think I should go about penning an article concerning the training (climbing and Ice climbing in full kit) done in North Wales and the Oxygen equipement testing, which I have the imnages for as well, in and around Snowdon but also at Helyg? It will either need a new title to provide and umbarella to get all the information under OR do you think at this point a book/booklete should be put together.  My father was quoted on the BBC just a few weeks bfore he died, about how good Wales had been to him and how essential the training in Wales had been for these expeditions. Lots and lots of quotations. Jamie Owen's Wales was the program.  Jamie also played back other and different excerpts from his Radio show as well. (Gowron 21:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article expansion

message: Anybody agree that we need to have a better catagory for Gwynedd than "Geography of Gwynedd", Gwynedd does have Geography, it also has Geology, its own Language, History & Pre-history, Transport, Mountain activities, Sailing, Artists, Writers, etc, etc. Of each catagory listed above there are many instances. Seems far too thin too encompass Gwnedd purely under Geography.  (Gowron 15:35, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gwynedd Catagory

message: I have seen the recent debate (above), but have been so busy this last week that I was unable to join in.  I see that the intro has been changed again since I last looked, but here's my tuppence worth ....
No official map that I know of labels the location as Pen-y-gwryd, but the hotel is always named.  Having said that, the area clearly has a significance going back many centuries, and the Roman camp aside, it was for a long time an important junction of routes.  As such, it must surely have had a name, but unless someone can provide an old map (or other evidence) pre-dating the hotel, this might remain a mystery.
That said, I've just found a paragraph in The Mountains of Snowdonia (by Carr & Lister, 1925) regarding the name.  I quote verbatim :
All the above aside, we have to agree that neither the hotel nor the immediate area around it is actually the "Head of the Gwryd (river)".  However, this area _is_ the "head of the Gwryd (valley)". Because so many place names (and their meanings) have changed over time, and on top of this there is colloquial usage, we could argue things like this for a long time. 
I'm sure that some of the above quote could be incorporated into the Wikipedia article, but one thing is certain, namely that whilst the Pen-y-gwryd _is_ a hotel, the name is also synonymous with the place.  I have literally dozens of books, both old and modern, walking books and history books, which refer to Pen-y-gwryd (as opposed to _the_ Pen-y-gwryd [hotel]) as a location. (Note that the above quote does so too.) 
I don't have time currently to edit the article.  But given the evidence, I leave it up to you as to whether PYG is a hotel, the name of which is now used to indicate the area, or whether PYG is the area, which has given its name to the hotel.  Hogyn Lleol 18:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a quick piece of research, well done. Does anybody think it would a good idea to meet at PYG and have a pint and chat about it (when its dry, yes you may laugh), if not the beer would go down well all the same.  I have written to both the Ordnance Survey as to why they don't label the location ,  I've also written to Gwynedd County Council to see if there are historical records that they have that may help also. One thing I probably ought to clear up is that, when I refer to "Pen-y-Gwryd Hotel", I'm refering to the only building that is there bearing that name, it could just as easily be "Pen-y-Gwryd Chapel" (if there was one, there currently is one but I don't know how old), i.e. what I mean is the structure(s) that exist there not specifically a Hotel (which just happens to be there). I've also made an attempt to translate the words.  Would be nice to get some closure, someday. (Gowron 20:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: My strong belief is that Gwryd, in the case of this river, can be easily deciphered into the two elements of Gwr and rhyd: Gwr is a variation of Gor often meaning high; (Bangor is an agglutination of Ban, meaning place, and Gor meaning high). With confidence we can take the meaning of Y Gwryd as the high ford. Pen Y Gwryd means simply the top, or head, of the high ford. Llewbach (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of the name

message: Is Pen-y-Gwryd really a pass?  Isn't it a locality on the Nant Ffrancon Pass?  Skinsmoke (talk) 13:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Having checked the definition of a pass, I suppose Pen-y-gwryd could loosely be described as such, although it's not something I'm totally happy with. Hogyn Lleol ★ (chat) 16:33, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountain pass