Talk:Yakovlev MC-21

message: While this may not be necessary for western manufacturers who have a long list of foreign customers, it does help to have flags in the case of countries that dont have many foreign orders as it helps them be visible immediately rather than having to click on each customers article or have to google like for VEB leasing. Though Cairo and Azerbaijan may be identifiable but for the uninitiated the rest may not, each of those companies could be from any CIS member state unless you read its article, unecessarily time consuming and flags would eliminate that. 139.190.175.128 (talk) 21:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Necessary for what exactly? To make an ideological point (as dumb as possible hence flags) to potential uninformed observers that a Russian plane is mostly sold in Russia and friends? One would think this is "Wikipedia" and not "NATO-pedia" or sorts? 83.240.61.1 (talk) 01:31, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags in order table 

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thread_title:  External links modified (January 2018) 

message: Are we certain the pilot of this flight was Oleg Kononenko the cosmonaut? That seems highly unlikely.212.73.233.51 (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The images of him with the MC-21 dont look that different from the images when he was a cosmonaut, he would aged around 53 now, but I dont have a reliable reference. MilborneOne (talk) 19:22, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you link to said images? From Kononenko's bio, he does not seem to be a pilot, let alone a test pilot.192.222.134.89 (talk) 22:02, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I just used Google, it seems strange that they both have the same name, are both Heros of Russia, but one appears to be an engineer the other a pilot. MilborneOne (talk) 22:37, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

text: The test pilot became a hero of russia in 2010 and the cosmonaut in 2009 so we should adjust the link in the article. MilborneOne (talk) 22:43, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So the original user that pointed this out is indeed correct. Would you like to go ahead and remove the link to the cosmonaut Kononenko? It's entirely possible that two people will have the exact same name.192.222.134.89 (talk) 23:56, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irkutsk-Moscow Flight Test Pilot 

message: Should we add Irkut to the infobox name? OrbitalEnd48401 (talk) 17:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No as it is not normal practice per Template:Infobox aircraft begin. MilborneOne (talk) 18:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name extension  

message: , I specifically ordered the sentences as I did because the text flows better: (1) UAC started looking for domestic replacement, mentioning the wing box and consoles; (2) domestic replacement is found, again mentioning the wing box; (3) additionally mentioning that the wings will still be made from the composites as well.
Your phrase  "UAC looked for Russian or Chinese replacements, maintaining a composite wing box and consoles: a return to a metal wing is "not on the agenda"" makes absolutely no sense. What is "maintaining a composite wing box and consoles"? How this "maintaining" informs us that there will be no return to metal wing? The wing box and the wing are different components. Also, the article clearly says that AeroComposit reported that it already have built the center section of the fuselage and the wing box from domestic materials, not that it just wanted to build them. Mikus (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your ordering of the ideas, though both your wording and Marc's were suboptimal. I've copyedited your version, which will hopefully result in consensus. Rosbif73 (talk) 06:15, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

text: It has to respect the chronology. If a statement is made in January, it can't appear like a consequence of a March statement. I detailed the process and left the wording as it were.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 06:31, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. sanctions and composite materials 

message: not enough justification for a separate article  DGG ( talk ) 01:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: yup.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 07:34, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[List of orders of MC-21]] into [[Irkut MC-21]] 

message: Bek Air had their air operator's certificate revoked in April 2020 due to their failure to correct safety violations, and no reputable English-language online source indicates that a revival is imminent; in other words, the company has by all indications ceased to exist as an operational airline. That being understood, does anyone know the status of their MC-21 order? Carguychris (talk) 17:59, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bek Air status? 

message: 's recent major update has been reverted once, and now reinstated with some improvements. However, I still see some issues, primarily with sourcing: lots of non-English sources that hinder verification, several that appear to be self-published or user-generated sources, and a few cases where sources are older than the claim they purport to verify. Some of the Russian news sites are also marked as questionable on WP:RS/P. Before this update is reverted again, perhaps we should discuss the issues here. Rosbif73 (talk) 09:01, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, thank you for explaining this to me. I did make a couple of mistakes and listed unreliable resources, please excuse me for that. I have now spent a few days correcting the errors and have left only sources with verified information in the new version. If you have any questions about a particular source, I will be happy to translate and prove the validity of that information. As for the problem with non-English sources, unfortunately, due to the difficult political situation, most of the information about the current progress of this aircraft will only come from local news (of course there is misinformation everywhere, but as a rule, whatever is true in the future will be published by Rostec and UAC, on which I relied when fixing this page today). Alexsandr Lazarev (talk) 09:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tagged a few specific sourcing issues. It would also be very helpful if you could at least add a  to the Russian-language sources. Rosbif73 (talk) 10:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much, I have little experience but I am very pleased with your help.I saw all the problematic parts. I have a couple of questions (I would be very grateful if you could help me): the number of produced units of both mc-21 and other Russian planes can be tracked on this resource (https://russianplanes.net/planelist/Irkut/MS-21) is an official register with attached photos and sources. Can I use it?Regarding airfleet pre-orders, I managed to find an English-language news(https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2022-06-10/aeroflot-order-300-russian-made-airliners) . Is it possible to do that?Regarding the replacement of parts up to 97% , I was also able to find a verified Russian international source TASS (https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6049251)And the last remark I found about the wing's caisson, this information is on the Rostec website itself, which does not require verification(https://rostec.ru/news/ms-21-300-s-krylom-iz-rossiyskikh-kompozitov-vypolnil-pervyy-polet/)And can I also indicate that the 2 boards are being tested? Thank you Alexsandr Lazarev (talk) 13:38, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent major update