Talk:Peshawar

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I am keeping this article on hold for seven days.  If enough inline citations are introduced in that time, it will easily pass as a good article.  -Runningonbrains 12:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article on hold

message: I just finished wikifying Peshawar Development Authority.  I was wondering if it would be appropriate to merge that article into this one, as it is short.  But I do not see a "government" section in this article, which would seem like the best place to put that information.  Not knowing anything about Peshawar, I'm asking you folks: would it make sense to have a "government" section in this article?  Or does Peshawar not have a goverment?  Is the Development Authority part of it?  Thanks, --Alynna 18:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government question 

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thread_title:  colliding coordinates 

message: I have thought about this for a while and consulthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshawar
Articleed a native speaker of Persian and we can't figure it out.  If you take it as پیشاور
"pish" is evident as "next to". 
Another possibility is to take پی as foot and شاور as 'end, extremity' (from Steingass dictionary); 'at the foot of the border'.  This is supported by transliterations such as Paishawur found in gazeteers from the 1820s.
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Millercor (talk • contribs) 18:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement about what it means in Persian is very vague and unreferenced. I have replaced it with a reference from the NWFP government about the origins of the name. Green Giant (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: It actually means 'high fort' and dates from the Mughal period, at least in terms of verifiable name usage. The majority of the locals however don't even call it Peshawar, but rather Pekhawar. The only thing that is known is that the city was Begram and renamed Peshawar by Akbar during the conflicts with Safavids in particular and was set up a fort to confront the Persian threat as it were since Kabul and Kandahar constantly switched hands. I can get some references to this at some point when I'm done with classes this week to help this article. The theory on it having a contiguous existence since the Kushan period is just that, a theory, not unlike the Pashtuns being the Pactyans and Pakhats etc. No on really knows if the city gets its name from the Kushans. All we do know is that the Mughals MAY have simply used a name that was a close approximation and also meant something in their Persian tongue. It is interesting that the NWFP govt. thinks its name is derived from Purushpura (I saw that myself a while back), but really need academic references instead and since the only written accounts of literal use of the name Peshawar comes from the Mughal period, that's all we have. And we really need to mention what the locals call it, even if the govt. (which takes its cues from Islamabad) wants to avoid patronizing local language use in order to homogenize the country. Tombseye (talk) 23:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does it mean "City on the Border" in Persian? 

message: This article has several non working citation links viz:
*4   Peshawar - History
*7^  Buddhist Past By Fidaullah Sehrai 
*8^  of Peshawar By Asghar Javed 
*15^ History of Peshawar By Asghar Jaaved August 6, 2007 Monday
*17^ History of Peshawar By Asghar Jaaved August 6, 2007 Monday
Are these messed up deliberately by a vandal ??? Would be good to see fix them .
Cheers
Intothefire (talk) 12:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References/footnotes links not working in the article

message: This is a very informative page but I have an issue with information provided in the Tourist Information section.
The old walled city of Peshawar had 16 gates but only 15 gates are mentioned in the section. Other sources list the following 16 named gates:
Bajauri, Ramdas, Bariskian, Sardchah, Sarki, Kohati, Yakatoot, Gang, Lahori, Hashtnagri, Rampura, Rati, Kachari, Andarsher, Kabuli, and Debgari
While the two lists have some differences in spelling, the list above contains gate names, like Rati and Andarsher, that do not appear on this Wikipedia page.
C2Pro (talk) 15:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourist Information section question 

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message: Fateh!
Well, regarding this quote:
In regards to Sikh rule in Peshawar, the British noted:
" Of the monuments of the Muslim period, too very few have survived our own times, not because the Muslim kings were not endowed with architectural tastes and talents or that they did not construct any attractive edifices, but because everything of architectural value that existed here was destroyed by the Sikhs, especially during Avitabile's reign as the Governor of Peshawar. The only buildings of any antiquity and historical interest are the Gor Khatri, also called Serai Jahanabad, and the Mosque of Mahabat Khan. Even these did not escape the tyrant's hand, while the mosque was desecrated and its lofty minars were used as gallows, the Serai was converted into the residence of the governor, and the mosque of Jahan Ara Begum built inside was replaced by a temple, which still stands there.[34] "
Look at the source in footnote 35. The above paragraph has just been lifted from the very biased review of the book the reviewer is discussing. It says nothing about the British saying that, it is the author of the review, Syed Mohammad Tahir, who is saying it. If you read the rest of his review and you can see the bias in favour of the Moghuls.
I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the sources are misrepresented as well. 
*Fateh!
*OK, I'm going to check through each of the sources mentioned. I'll come back and edit this when time permits until I have done all of them.
*Source 21. It points to an encyclopaedia of Naples. Presumably the author of the article wants us to read the bit about Abu Tabela (Avitabile). Well, this source says the following about Maharaja Ranjit Singh:
*"One of the stories they tell about Singh is that despite his many conquests, he did not allow wanton destruction of life or property, and that throughout his life he never passed a sentence of death. "
*Regarding Avitabile, he says:
*"Avitabile quickly earned the reputation of being a bloodthirsty and ruthless enforcer of Sikh authority. Every morning, they say, Avitabile would have a few Muslims thrown to their deaths from a minaret just as a warning to the locals. He meted out absolutely gruesome "justice" as governor of Peshawar, something that no doubt helped to drive the population away from the city; the population of Peshawar was reduced by half in the years of Sikh rule. "
*It's clear this is hearsay. The author mentions no historical sources to support this. Even if Avitabile was a sadist, he was a Christian not a Sikh, and to blame his excesses on Ranjit Singh is pretty silly.
*Source 22. Is from pakistanpaedia, another wiki that claims that the population of Peshawar was halved, but provides no sources. So basically the proof of this assertion is that some other guy said it first.
*Source 23 and 24. Both point to the same news article by the same author, who is a Pakistani politician, who makes the claim that this mosque was destroyed and replaced with the Goraknath temple, but he doesn't give any reference to historical texts to prove this. Pretty much hearsay again. Besides, why would Sikhs build a Hindu temple?
*Source 25. An article blogged by a Pakistani author who says that this mosque was the only one that survived the depredations of the Sikhs. He cites no historical source, so again its hearsay. This author even points out that the legendary cruelty of Avitabile is unconfirmed, especially the legend of his using the minarets as gallows.
*Source 26. A Sikh History article on Hari Singh Nalwa. It says he never destroyed any mosques. :-)
*Source 27. A paragraph on the Muhabat Khan mosque by an anonymous author who says the same thing about Avitabile using the minarets as gallows. No historical source cited. But the author put this sentence in quote marks, so it must be true - right? Um, no. There is no mention of the minarets being destroyed by the Sikhs and being rebuilt by the British.
*Source 28. A paragraph about Avitabile from the Sikh Encyclopedia which mentions the same rumours about Avitabile's rule of Peshawar being described as one of "gallows and gibbets". There are sources here, yay! Alas, none mention where this description originated and whether there was any truth to the rumours. 
*Source 29. From a page on the Engineering University of Peshawar. It is the same as one of the earlier source. There is no mention of Avitabile. Repetitious and irrelevant.
*Source 30. Exactly the same as source 27. Repetition. Maybe saying it twice will make it true?
*Source 31. This is an article written by a travel journalist. It mentions the same claims regarding the minarets, but it does not claim to be based on anything but the journalists knowledge of Peshawar, and of course therefore there is no historical text referenced to verify this rumour.
*Source 32. Exactly the same as source 26. Repetition.
*Source 33. A paragraph from a tourism guide. The actual line here that the author of this article is probably referring to is this one: "A guide told us that during the Sikh-period, the minarets were used a lot as gallows." So an old illiterate peasants words constitutes historical prrof, I guess.
*The authors in his next sentence after citing these sources claims that "the desecration of Peshawar's mosques by their [the Sikh's] appointed administrator is well documented," which might be true, but this article certainly proves no such thing.
*Sources 34 and 35 and 36 (which is the same as 35). These I have discussed above. The Sikhs may have destroyed the Shalimar gardens for firewood (I suppose the author would prefer the Sikhs to perish in the cold?), but these sources do not offer any evidence to support the claim. The Columbia Encyclopaedia claims that Bala Hisar fort was still being used as military headquarters in the 21st century so the claim that it was destroyed by the Sikhs is likely false. What is definite is that the authors cited source certainly doesn't substantiate his claim.
*If this guy had handed in this essay at university to be marked, it would have been thrown back in his face.
Take care,
Sunnybondsinghjalwehra (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased: Decline under Sikh Rule???

message: The population is listed as 36,25,000.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.75.33 (talk) 05:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

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message: I have completed a review of the entire article and have left tags at the top of the page that I believe continue to be relevant. Sections of the article had obviously been lifted out of a tourism resource and the page's second half read more like a travel website, rather than an encyclopedia article. The historical section that begins the article is sound, but requires further citations. As I have mentioned in another Talk contribution, reliable data can be difficult to find on Peshawar if one is using only the Internet like me, but I am certain that other types of resources will uncover the necessary content. As the city continues to exist in a salient region of the world, in terms of politics, trade and religion, I highly recommend that copyeditors prioritise this article and others like it. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Review

message: As part of an overall review of this article, I have removed this sentence: "although, since 2010, Kabul's Pashtun population is larger", as I am unable to find a reference for this anywhere. The entire article requires further verification, as can be seen from the tag that I inserted, but if anyone can verify this statement, then I have no problem reverting the edit.--Soulparadox (talk) 12:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverifiable fact 

message: I have seen, through my Internet-based searches, that it is difficult to find up-to-date information and data about Peshawar, but hopefully there are copyeditors out there who may be able to access content that is limited or contained in hard copy form. On a side note, I have found the city to be fascinating, based on its history alone, so I hope that there are other copyeditors out there willing to refine this article to the greatest degree possible. Thanks.--Soulparadox (talk) 12:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update tag 

message: Thought you would want to be correct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.57.214.125 (talk) 19:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of Peshawar.  Having lived in Peshawar in the 60's, it is pronounced as Pe-SHAH-war with emphasis on the "sha".  Lots of folks get the pronunciation wrong by saying: PESH-a-war with emphasis on the "Pesh" part which sounds like "PESH -Uh-war 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:21, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Peshawar]] 

message: pashto is the official language of peshawer, khyberpakthunkhwa not any punjabi(saraiki, hindko)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.83.86.156 (talk) 07:13, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official language 

message: I want to edit please allow me
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message: Within the "Demographics"-section, the same source (https://hassanyarkhan.wordpress.com/a-visit-to-a-peshawar/) is cited twice for the same claim (The "Majority of the city residents speak Pashto"-claim). Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't one of them be removed?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.69.45 (talk) 18:40, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a reliable source so I have removed it. --SMS Talk 22:23, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: There is an error in the Peshawar climate data :
according to the original source, ftp://ftp.atdd.noaa.gov/pub/GCOS/WMO-Normals/RA-II/PK/41530.TXT, the average low temperature in November is 9.6 °C and not 7.6 °C as displayed in the article.
Could anyone explain to me how to change 7.6 into 9.6 in the climate data table ? Carlo Colussi (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I do not know how to edit the Peshawar weatherbox. Could anyone explain to me ? 

message: QUOTE: Peshawar was not affected by the widespread devastation that was experienced throughout the rest of British India END OF QUOTE. 
The person who wrote this nonsense seems to think that the subcontinent was confined to Delhi and thereabouts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:D007:B474:642F:8074:D407:4072 (talk) 01:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: If the readings shown here are accurate, Peshawar recorded a rainfall total of 468 mm on on the 1st November 2018, which smashes the old 24 hour record;
https://www.ogimet.com/cgi-bin/gsynres?lang=en&ind=41529&ano=2018&mes=11&day=1&hora=19&min=0&ndays=7
I say "if" because I have so far been unable to find any conformation for this extraordinary figure.
Meltingpot (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daily rainfall record broken 

message: Pinging User:Headbomb and User:Lewanayspay.
I was going through Special:PendingChanges and came across several consecutive edits to this page by User:Lewanayspay.  I did not accept the latest of their edits because it removed a statement about the region's former name which is apparently backed up by a reliable source.  However, the first two edits to the article by User:Lewanayspay were automatically accepted, and all subsequent edits starting from the edit with the summary  were not.  I can only assume that User:Lewanayspay is referring to the editor who most recently edited the page, with an edit with the summary , and it appears this is a BRD case.
Therefore I'm starting this discussion on the talk page to allow consensus to be gained on what content relevant to these edits should be kept or removed.  Please note I have restored the "pre-dispute" version of the page.
Many thanks,
SITH (talk) 16:13, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I got no opinion on the general edits, but Serials Publications is a predatory publisher, and is not a WP:RS, so should not be used to support anything. I've re-removed that source.  Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:18, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

text: Thanks .  , on closer analysis it does appear that Headbomb's edit is supported by our policies on reliable sources, is the issue you mentioned in your edit summary regarding another user's edits? SITH (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

text: I think Lewanayspay's edits are problematic because they try to push undue competing theories when most scholarly publications support the fact that Peshawar was founded as Purushapura in ancient India. --RaviC (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion regarding recent edits 

message: Two of the five letters in  aren't in most Nastaliq fonts, most of the Pashto alphabet isn't. 
Most of the fonts the  and  templates use include just Urdu and sometimes a couple of varieties of Punjabi. About a third of the Pashto alphabet displays as nonsense characters. 
Why do people keep using these templates on Pashto and other languages? Do they have an unusually comprehensive Nastaliq font on their own device that makes it work? or do they have none of the fonts on their device and just add the Nastaliq templates for consistency without knowing what they do? 
Irtapil (talk) 14:13, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied the name straight from the Pashto Wikipedia. I don't speak Pashto so if you notice a mistake, you're probably right. CentreLeftRight ✉ 23:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
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message: assalamualaikum g ma  din kalioya jara ha hu is ka bad  januare pe ajana lahor  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.103.104.110 (talk) 11:28, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
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message: Bawal 39.50.211.151 (talk) 23:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
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message: There was a recent terror attack in Peshawar. Can someone use 2023 Peshawar mosque bombing as a source and edit in the article? 216.107.236.98 (talk) 12:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  May someone please mention the 2023 Peshawar mosque bombing terrorist attack? 

message: The number presented in this line of text is wrong: "In January 2023, another terrorist attack occurred at Peshawar in which 83 people were killed."
The 83 in this sentence is outdated, it should be 101.
Sources:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/31/pakistan-rescue-operation-peshawar-mosque-suicide-bombing
And in the dedicated page for the bombing incident it also says 101:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Peshawar_mosque_bombing Rafnus (talk) 10:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Al Jazeera mentions 100 killed (excluding the perpetrator that I didn't mention). M.Bitton (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2023 

message: Ahsan R1 (talk) 08:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Liu1126 (talk) 11:11, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
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