Talk:Association football/Archive 2

message: Hi everyone,
This section on the name of the game was inordinantly long for what is an overview article on the sport itself. For example, discussions on the derivations of different names for the sport in different languages were inappropriate for an article of this nature. Also, as different people added their tidbits or debating points, the section had the tendency to lose flow and require reworkings. 
For these reasons, I have consolidated the article to cover the major facts regarding the most common English names for the game. I have formed a seperate article to cover the more detailed information, including foreign language names. I think consolidating (and linking to detailed information) should make the Football (soccer) article more user-friendly, and I hope you agree. However, if people would prefer it the old way then I won't be overly offended if we revert.
Cheers, --DaveB 07:24, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name section too long 

message: "though many British teams' names end in "AFC", an abbreviation for association football club. "
The only proffesional clubs using AFC I can think of ar Sunderland AFC and AFC Bournmouth. A few Amateur club use it, but I can't think of any off hand. Don't you think MANY is overstating it a bit? Mintguy
: Well Google finds 95,500 hits for "AFC football club", but on closer inspection, this includes ones where AFC means "Aberdeen FC", "Athletic FC", "Ararat FC", "Arsenal FC" or "Adelaide FC"  as well as ones where AFC only appears in links to the page, so not in the official team name.  However, "many" is a nice, vague word, so the count could be as low as 12 and I could say I was right.
: Okay, I'll change it. Bagpuss
: P.S. Don't forget the proposed "AFC Wimbledon". Bagpuss
If a google search produces hits to "AFC football", many will refer to "American Football Conference", which is gridball. <g> (half the NFL) And what about "aussie"? There are also an number of "soccer teams" (that's American English <g>) in the US that use "AFC", meaning "Assoc.FC". Bluelion
: Well if US teams can be AFC as well, that belongs in the article.  Perhaps it's a worldwide thing. Bagpuss
: AFC generally means Athletic Football Club rather than Association Football club, good examples are Charlton Athletic F.C., Sunderland Athletic F.C. & Oldham Athletic F.C. Although it really can mean just about anything, for example after the merger of Sudbury Town and Sudbury Wanderers they became known as AFC Sudbury meaning Amalgamated Football Club. - anon
::Er no. Try AFC Wimbledon, AFC Bournemouth, Hull City A.F.C., Cardiff City A.F.C. (as it  should be referred to), Huddersfield Town A.F.C., Penzance A.F.C., Durham City A.F.C., Mossley A.F.C. and Wrexham A.F.C. - and Sunderland are Sunderland A.F.C. and the A stands for Association not Athletic. -and Oldham are Oldham Athletic A.F.C., the ful name being "Oldham Athletic Association Football Club " not "Oldham Athletic Athletic Football Club" Jooler 00:11, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AFC

message: Oh, I had seen a volleyball style game in Tailand on TV, except the players use their feet, not hands.  Could it be counted as football?  Also, I know there was a very ancient chinese football game, maybe it can be added here as part of the history of football.  Finally, I find the list of football games here is still confusing..... Wshun
: From History of football: "The earliest documented mention of any activity resembling football is found in a Chinese military manual written during the Han Dynasty in about 2nd century BC. It describes a practice known as "tsu chu" which involved kicking a leather ball through a hole in a piece of silk cloth strung between two 30 foot poles. It was not a game as such but more of a spectacle for the amusement of the Emperor and it may have been performed as many as 3000 years ago. "  I might make the link to that more obvious. Bagpuss
I think Sepak Takraw is the sport Wshun saw in Thailand.
Erzengel 10:18, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Thai (foot|volley)ball

message: I removed the following:
"Although the game of soccer is well controlled by the referees the stands are not! Violence has become a part of the game and is unfortunately a major contributer to its success. The drunkness of the fans combined with the excitement of the game is a horrify combination. It has become common place for serious injury and even death to take place at a soccer game. This violence is uneccessary and ill placed because it is over a simple game. Fans should realize this and know their place as fans and not contributors. (see hooligans, Heysel Stadium disaster and Football War)."
While violence is still occasionally a problem at games it has decreased considerably due to better policing and probably simple boredom on the part of the thugs. Violence has definitely not contributed to the success of the game, in England the game was damaged by the European ban. I have been to numerous matches in the US and UK and rarely notice drunken behaviour though certainly drinking and football watching are connected. It is most definitely not commonplace to see serious injury and death in the crowd, most games are untroubled. The advice over the non-necessity of violence and non-contribution by the fans is not appropriate to an encyclopedia! (Btw, the fans are most certainly expected to contribute to the game, that's what all the singing and chanting is about, football would be less interesting without the crowd noise) If you were referring to a specific country please make that absolutely clear. Bob Palin 20:33, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence 

message: As an overenthusiastic newbie :-) I couldn't help myself from filling in a few details about the first Australian associations. Perhaps this kind of stuff belongs on the vacant Soccer Australia (current governing body) page(?) The same probably goes for the US stuff, which could be moved to the stub page United States Soccer Federation. In any case I can't help feeling that the section on US associations needs re-working a bit, and the inclusion of a few more dates, etc.Grant65(Talk) 05:05, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)
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Hi Grant,
Soccer Australia is no longer the national governing body; it is now the Australian Soccer Assocation (as of late2003/2004).
Cheers, Daveb.
--DaveB 09:08, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Australian associations

message: What would be really great for this page would be a picture of Hackney Marshes There's something like 85 full size pitches all side by side. Mintguy (T) 16:54, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Hackney Marshes

message: I just created the page 2001-02 in English football. I think the idea of listing English football by seasons has potential, but it would rely on fellow anoraks to create the other seasons and fill in the masses of missing information. Is anyone willing to help?SimonMayer 00:21, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2001-02 in English football

message: I was looking for a page on football tactics/skills and couldn't find one. So will create a stub. If you play the game please contribute ;-) Julianp 06:52, 13 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Football tactics/skills

message: I was thinking that there ought to be an article on the Football (soccer) maximum wage but perhaps it's part of a larger article on Football (soccer) contracts that also incorporates the Bosman ruling, stuff about transfer windows etc, history of players' wages, etc ... Any thoughts?Cutler 17:51, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Wages, contracts, etc