Talk:Paul Klee

message: I consider myself a relative authority on Klee, and within the 15 books on him I have in my library and various visits to his collections around the world, his heritage is always cited as German and Swiss. Never have I seen it listed as Jewish. He was Swiss and German. However, he does use the star of David in a number of paintings as a letimotif, and he was definitely an early enemy of the Nazis, having been forced to flee Germany before the infamous 1937 Nazi Degenerate Art Show. Though he was featured in this showing alongside many of his close Jewish friends, the show was not limited to Jewish artists, and included works by many groups of people the Nazi's wished to malign.
Thank you for rebuilding this page kpjas. Why on earth would someone erase the whole thing and write 'poopie'? a Nazi perhaps?!
Yes, maybe a Nazi.
 
 ==Klee Commenters==
I think Paul Klee is a very fine artist!
If i were to choose my favrite artist, it be Paul Klee.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.11.234.165 (talk) 01:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Klee's Heritage

message: Klee's quote regarding his attempts to effectively use color ("a long struggle lies in store for me in this field of color”) is used twice in the article, in both the 'early life and training' and 'early career and marriage' sections. The first use is in relation to his trip to Italy (1901-1902), while the second appears to correspond with his early watercolor landscapes (both 1913). It also looks like it was taken from two different sources, as the first use has a 'that' included in the quotation marks (could just be someone's typing error though) and the second use has some more words attached to it. Using the quote twice is a bit boring, and creates confusion as to when it was actually said/written... can anyone find a source for the correct date/fix the article? Many thanks, an unregistered wiki enthusiast. 67.222.201.194 (talk) 21:54, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Quote

message: ...another thing.  The article mentions Klee studying under someone named Heinrich Knirr.  I'm currently doing a research type project on Paul Klee, and all of my print sources that deal with his childhood also mention Knirr, but most refer to him as "E. Knirr" (except one book, which spells out his first name as "Edwin"). Neither Edwin nor Heinrich Knirr have a wiki page to link to, and the information in the article now doesn't have a citation; so I'm not sure where "Heinrich Knirr" came from. It could simply be that Mr. Knirr sometimes went by his middle name or something, I'll try to look into it. 67.222.201.194 (talk) 02:05, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Heinrich Knirr?

message: "His artwork was considered too revolutionary, even degenerate, by the Swiss authorities, but eventually they accepted his request six days after his death."
Which request is this? His request for Swiss citizenship? DS (talk) 14:44, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dying request? 

message: hello,
I am currently trying to translate the German featured article. The draft is located here. Maybe apart of the so-so English, what do you think about the work so far? Should I continue, or should I drop it? Any help would be appreciated! Regards.--♫GoP♫TCN 16:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  German article 

message: To paraphrase, Klee's works post-1922 are not in the public domain in the U.S. because their copyright in the U.S. was restored by the Uruguay Round Agreements Act when they were still copyrighted in their source countries on the URAA date (January 1, 1996).
The copyrighted works cannot be displayed here for that reason, so I will remove them once this is understood. Hekerui (talk) 13:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Add Fair use rationales for use in the United States...Modernist (talk) 14:05, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In Visual Arts and the Law: A Handbook for Professionals, By Judith B Prowda, it is stated: "Potentially, therefore, the copyright on works by artists such as Paul Klee... could be revived." Hekerui, could you provide a link to a source that states the copyright on Klee has been revived? Coldcreation (talk) 15:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Check this page. The court decision makes it clear these media are copyrighted. On the Commons, deletion is the issue in question, for us here, the inclusion of these media. WP:IUP  would require non-free use rationales for the use of copyrighted images. For this, we could not use the Commons images, because they don't follow WP:NFCCP. What would be left is uploading local versions that follow non-free content criteria. #3 and #8 would make usage in a gallery very questionable. This article has plenty free images, we should be able to cope using only drawings/paintings from 1922 or earlier. Hekerui (talk) 15:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Klee is not mentioned on the link above. Can you provide a link to a source that explicitly mentions the works of Klee as falling under URAA copyright law? Coldcreation (talk) 17:34, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey! I could not find anything specific about Klee and the URAA. I remember an analysis like that for Lovecraft stories, but not for this. Still, it's an issue. Works in Germany post-1922 are protected by copyright in the U.S. because their copyright was extended by the URAA. Turns out that, in the case of Switzerland, they only lengthened the copyright term to 70 years in 1992. That means Switzerland works had their copyright expire before the URAA date of 1996 and are in the public domain for this reason. So we only have to remove the late German works or justify them with a non-free use rationale for this article to comply with the image use policy. Hekerui (talk) 21:15, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Technically the images need Fair Use Rationales and need to be in the article proper and not in galleries...Modernist (talk) 23:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage of images not in the public domain in the U.S.

message: The second paragraph under Mature Years notes that "Kandinsky joined the staff and resumed his friendship with Klee," but there was no previous mention of this friendship. It would be nice to have this fleshed out earlier.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.189.166.173 (talk) 13:12, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friendship with Kandinsky 

message: Substituted at 02:28, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Hi. My first contribution to Wikipedia!  I have no intention of actually becoming an editor, so I'm just posting this for whoever would like to make use of it.
The section Musical Interpretations has the line "Other works are Abstraktes Terzett (Abstract Trio), Little Blue Devil, Zwitscher-Maschine (Twittering Machine), Arab Village, Ein unheimlicher Moment (An Eerie Moment) and Pastorale."  These are sections 2 through 7, in the correct order, of the Gunther Schuller piece mentioned earlier in the same paragraph ("Gunther Schuller with Sieben Studien über Klee'sche Bilder (Seven Studies about Klee Pictures) in the years 1959/60").  The missing section 1 is Antike Harmonien (Antique Harmonies).
Also, there's no reason to give the name of the Schuller piece in German, since he was an American composer (as mentioned in the Wikipedia page on him) and composed the piece in the US, with an English title -- which, correctly, is Seven Studies on Themes of Paul Klee.  The complete seven sections, in the correct order and with the correct English name, are given in many performances on YouTube (and elsewhere), for example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUmYkbCchWg.  (I put this just for anyone who wants to check.  Obviously this is not a source ... especially since it probably violates copyright.)
Dudley Brooks (talk) 16:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for spotting that, it's fixed now I think. Much of this article appears to be translated from the corresponding article in German Wikipedia, and these look like errors made in the process. Ewulp (talk) 00:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks! Dudley Brooks (talk) 20:46, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Gunther Schuller piece is (accidentally?) split in two 

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message: The de.wiki article Paul Klee says he was simply German and cites this article. Why is he described as "Swiss German" here? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources differ but it seems he's more often classed as Swiss (e.g., Oxford Art Online, ULAN, A World History of Art), though Britannica says he was Swiss-German. Ewulp (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I'm Swiss and I've made some researches and a speech about Paul Klee. The swissinfo article (in German) is right. I confirm that he is German and not Swiss. His father was German. He asked for the Swiss citizenship, but he died before the agreement of the Berner and Swiss authoritied. It takes a long time and it's very complicated to become a Swiss citizen (too compllicated to explain it here, but if you ask, I can explain). In the chapter "Death" of this article, it is written: " He died in Muralto, Locarno, Switzerland, on 29 June 1940 without having obtained Swiss citizenship, despite his birth in that country." This is right and contradict the introduction. Please believe sources that are the closest to the person and in the person's language, because they are more reliable. That is why I wish to correct his nationality from Swiss German to German. --Faridagadri (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swiss German