Talk:Tithe barns in Europe

message: Neither of the two nice German barns illustrated near the top of the present Article are associated with any citation showing that they are for tithe storage, or even for monastic estate crops.  I have also looked at the two locations to which their captions link - to no avail. So when I do the already proposaed major edit, I shall delete them, and perhaps insert instead a well-know and accessible tithe/monastic barn in England. e.g. Middle Littleton or Coggeshall.
Okan 11:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: In conjunction with proposal below - intend to delete two illustrated German barns

message: Noting what it says here about some old barns being mistakenly referred to as tithe barns, and also that the article speaks only of England, I wonder whether the tithe barn referred to in the articles Culloden, Scotland and Barn Church, Culloden really is one.  The local people certainly think it is, as does the church's literature and the material given to tourists.  If it is, it could be listed here.  If not, an explanation or correction is required on those other pages.  --Doric Loon 05:29, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Culloden

message: I note when adding tithe barns to this list "please make sure the barn _is_ a tithe barn and not an abbey estate's barn!" but fail to see the purpose of this. Abbey Estate barns still held tithes within the definition given in the article "storing the tithes - a tenth of the farm's produce which had to be given to the church" and therefore I can't see why they shouldn't be included. The specific Somerset examples I've added are all designated as Tithe Barns in the Images of England catalogue maintained by English Heritage. Can someone explain the justification for banning Abbey Barns from the list?— Rod talk 15:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbey Tithe Barns 

message: This article seems to be at pains to stress many of the listed barns are not tithe barns in the definition used by English Heritage yet does not actually use or reference this definition. I had a brief look for the definition on the English Heritage website (current) but cannot find a formal definition by English Heritage. If there are 2 types of "great barn" perhaps there should be a Wikipedia article for "Great barn". It might also be an idea to split the list out to a "List of tithe barns" article and perhaps a "List of great barns" article for historic barns not used as tithe barns. This seems to me a sensible way of resolving the problem of an article talking about 2 types of barns, both types of which are historically notable. Alex McKee (talk) 17:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Alex McKee, you cannot tackle this problem by categorial thinking. There are no structural differences between tithe barns, monastic barns and manorial barns. Moreover, most monastic barns were functionally transformed into tithe barns during the 14th century. The most outstanding example, the Great Coxwell barn, was never used as a tithe barn. And then, the world of wikipedia users is bigger than England alone. Only the French have the difference grange dimière and grange monastique (I renamed it from grange cistercienne, as it does not make sense to develop a different type for every monastic order). So the article could better be renamed in its head or subtitle as tithe barn or monastic barn, with the corresponding adaption of the first few lines. If you don't know the field of research, please try to get some real literature on the topic. You skipped my article as spam. That's understandible and to a certain extent justifiable as it appeared in German and in an obscure though highly ranked archaeological periodical. And while working under my own name, I'm vulnarable here. But it is AFAIK the only recent article covering the entire field. I could send you, if you like it and are able to read a bit German, a PDF.Otto S. Knottnerus (talk) 15:29, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure what your reply is intended to communicate. The article stresses (or did, when I wrote the above in March 2015) the notion of some English Heritage definition yet there did not appear to be a definition available on the English Heritage site. I have no clue what you are talking about when you say that I skipped your article as spam - I don't recall your article at all and I haven't edited the article since March 2015, long before you edited it. Alex McKee (talk) 07:34, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Heritage Definition 

message: I wish people would stop wittering and DO SOMETHING! Otto Strangename above is quite right and I support changing the Article name. I suspect the pedantry that used to appear from within English Heritage (now renamed) was just the individual view of, presumably, an influential individual (aka "a boss"!) It was (and if picked up elsewhere) still is, plain wrong.
Please re-read my earlier post with the same title as this. Then would someone please help!
Okan 19:28, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeated - Proposal - Tithe Barns definition and substantial revision of this Article