Talk:Fist of the North Star

message: Hi, I think now that we have to consider the enormous amount of adaptations/spinoffs/videogames and even adaptations of spinoffs that CONTINUE to flow out of the Fist of the North Star universe, this page should really be reorganized as the homepage of the FotNS franchise, meaning that the original manga should get it's own page, as should the 1986 movie, the TV series, etc, this page being a written history of all these different elements.  These things are all unique enough to warrant their own pages, and the amount of spinoffs and adaptations is huge.  We have:
-original manga
-TV series (2 parts)
-1986 movie
-live action movie
-new fist of the north star
-fist of the blue sky (manga)
-fist of the blue sky (anime)
-the "Den" OVAs and movies
-Raoh Gaiden manga
-Raoh Gaiden tv series
-toki gaiden manga
-jagi gaiden manga
-yuria gaiden manga 
-bunches of videogames
-stuff im forgetting
Anyway, I think my opinion on this is pretty undeniable.  69.250.117.1 (talk) 18:31, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's a franchise: restructure accordingly 

message: The Fist of the North Star anime mythos goes a lot deeper than just "Mad Max."  There seems to be a lot of Buddhist and of course Japanese myth influences on it.  In the animated movie, the 1985 animated movie, you see the statues of guardian kings Ungyo and Agyo, for example.  Also the Manga makes frequent references to astrology, and how certain characters are the way they are because they were born under certain stars.  Kenshiro for example, was born under an evil star, which dictated he would wonder the earth alone.  All successors to the Hokuto Shinken martial arts style are born under that star.  Ryuken, Kenshiro's master, was born under it, and Kenshiro's first life, Kenshiro Katsumi, was also born under that evil star.  In the anime "Fist of the South Sky," we see Kenshiro in his first life as Kenshiro Katsumi.  At least, I think its Katsumi.  All I know is that there are two Kenshiro's in the myth; the first one was a Japanese martial artist born in China, and the second one, Kenshiro of Hokuto No Ken, is the reincarnation of that character.  Kenshiro is as powerful as he is because his soul reincarnates repeatedly, that is, not just of Kenshiro Katsumi, he is also the reincarnation of the founder of the martial art though my information could be mistaken.
Following the rules of wikipedia, and since the discussion forum is restricted primarily to how to improve the article (with SOME flexibility), let me get to the point; I think this article would be greatly improved by having a section on the connections the manga and the anime have to east asian spiritual beliefs, particularly astrology.  The astrology in Hokuto No Ken is decidedly Japanese, of the Shinto religion; it is not seen anywhere else in east asia.  Also, the series makes frequent references to internal martial arts.  For example, in the 1985 animated movie, in a flashback scene with the character Jagi, when Jagi storms into the room where Kenshio is meditating, we see the character Kenshiro doing movements similar to Tai Chi, implying that the internal martial arts of China somehow influenced the creation of the mythological martial art of Hokuto Shinken.  Well, at least I HOPE its a myth....
Sorry for being soap boxy; if its not too much trouble, to improve the article, please add a section on anything at all the creators used from Japanese or otherwise east asian folklore.  The series IS pretty saturated with it, and the article would be incomplete without such references.
sorry for the length
206.63.78.51 (talk) 22:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless its can be sourced, it all seems to be original research from your part. We know Buronson and Hara were influenced by Mad Max and Bruce Lee because we procured statements confirming such and such. Every other influences on the series has to be adequately sourced too. I know Raoh was modeled after Arnold Schwarzenegger since one of the Hokuto no Ken guidebooks in Japan says so. Also, in what volume of Souten no Ken does it say that Yan-Wang is the past-life incarnation of Kenshiro?  Jonny2x4 (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right about the astrological signs. I mean, it is called Fist of The NORTH STAR. And Different characters are said to have different traits according to the star signs under which they where born.  Er ouz (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: The TV series seems to be available for legal download from http://www.toei-anim.com/ondemand/ - should this be mentioned in the article? -Malkinann (talk) 21:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should.Evan1975 (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Direct download?

message: I am not sure where the appropriate place to put this information is on the main article
:*The TV series was translated into French, under the name "Ken Le Survivant" (Ken the survivor), and produced by the main TV channel TF1
:*The dubbing team did not like the violence, and often mistranslated the original, as commented on at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubbing_%28filmmaking%29#Criticism_and_defense_of_dubbing
:*Available on DVD in French (at least Vol 1 is)
--Urquan78 (talk) 00:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aditional information on French adaption of TV Series 

message: *Mania.com: Anime S2 Complete series
*ANN: Shelf Life TV collection part 1 Shelf Life TV collection part 2
--KrebMarkt (talk) 08:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review(s) 

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