Talk:Così fan tutte

message: The title of this opera should not be abbreviated to "Cosi".
The word means "thus". Would you abbreviate "As you like it" to "As?"
There's also a different play with the title "Cosi," cited in the article.
Even though the abbreviation is widely used in English, it should be avoided
by giving the three word title or simply saying "the opera".
Coughinink 14:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes that's right. - Kleinzach 17:11, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Cosi, the restaurant, did not take its name from the opera: all their in-store advertising suggests that (as the comment above mentions) they took it from the Italian meaning "Like This/That" or "Thus" or etc - IE, they mean it to have the connotation, "This is how it's done." 
4.131.39.229 09:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosi, the Sandwich Place... 

message: I don't understand why there needs to be a disambiguation link to the Mike Oldfield single Don Alfonso (song). What's the coonection with Così fan tutte? Michael Bednarek 09:13, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The position is that someone once wrote a short article about the character Don Alfonso in Così.  Later, someone else turned it into a redirect to here.  So if you are an Oldfield fan and you type in "Don Alfonso", you end up here.  In an ideal world, I'd say that it would be better if the Don Alfonso redirect became the Oldfield single article and the dab link for the character pointed from there to here.  That would involve a lot of fiddling about, but feel free to do it! --GuillaumeTell 10:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation. I think you're right how this should properly work, and I would do it, but not for a week or so as I'll be away. Michael Bednarek 10:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why link to [[Mike Oldfield]] single [[Don Alfonso (song)]] ? 

message: And should we include in these marginally relevant entries in the article?? Viva-Verdi 05:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "In popular culture" any better than plain 'ol TRIVIA??? 

message: Which parts of the first act were composed by Antonio Salieri? the infamous rmx (talk) 19:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think any part of it is, although I see how the language in the article is confusing. I think the text refers to a separate version by Salieri that was never completed. Mlouns (talk) 19:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't have a reference for this (I think it was an article in OPERA NEWS) but in the "bowdlerized version" Despina confesses the plot to the ladies at the beginning of act II.  Thus the ladies don't really succumb to seduction, but are just playing their own trick on the men.  Presumably they also modified the ending so that the women do not have to beg for forgiveness. To be sure, this change doesn't account for the two best numbers in act II, the soliloquy and duet when Fiordiligi confesses her guilt feelings over betraying her original lover. 71.56.66.132 (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salieri 

message: One oddity that the article doesn't mention is that the libretto doesn't explain how the four lovers are to pair up in the end -- just that "the men" forgive "the ladies".  The stage director has to decide on the pairings.  I've seen at least one production where the lovers keep swapping around during the concluding address to the audience, with the men trying to stand by their original fiancees and the ladies trying to keep their new choices.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 00:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a reference for this (I think it was an article in OPERA NEWS) but in the "bowdlerized version" Despina confesses the plot to the ladies at the beginning of act II.  Thus the ladies don't really succumb to seduction, but are just playing their own trick on the men.  Presumably they also modified the ending so that the women do not have to beg for forgiveness. To be sure, this change doesn't account for the two best numbers in act II, the soliloquy and duet when Fiordiligi confesses her guilt feelings over betraying her original lover. 71.56.66.132 (talk) 12:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who marries whom? 

message: There is a famous trio for three voices in this opera that was used in the 1971 film Sunday Bloody Sunday starring Glenda Jackson. Where is to be found please? I cannot find it in the plot line. Thanks  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 17:13, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean "Soave sia il vento"? That's what the film article says, and it's in the plot description here: act 1, scene 1. Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trio 

message: An IP has added "It is a favorite for amateur and semiprofessional productions because although each of the main characters (three men, three women) has one big solo, no piece is of more than moderate difficulty..." to the Performance History section.  Really?  Come scoglio is of moderate difficulty?  Un'aura amorosa? Ah, lo veggio?  And Don Alfonso doesn't have any big solo. I refrained from removing this section (for now) in case some of it is salvageable. --GuillaumeTell 21:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moderate difficulty? 

message: I have removed the link to the performance artist Cosey Fanni Tutti from the top of the page.  The names are too different in spelling and sound for any likely degree of confusion to occur.  It appears to be promotion of another article.  I am skeptical about leaving in the link to the film as it registers in a search as Cosi fan tutte (film).  I will leave this in place for now awaiting opinions (Ewooll (talk) 10:30, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of performance artist link 

message: A more demotic translation would be "They all do it."Lestrade (talk) 16:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Any translation needs to accommodate the fact that the Italian word 'tutte' is feminine, which is undoubtedly part of Da Ponte's intended meaning.  So the English word 'they' is not adequate.  It needs to be 'all women' or 'the women all', or some such phrase.86.183.245.249 (talk) 00:33, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

text: No, I don't think so. "Thus do they all", the current translation, does not convey the fact that "tutte" is feminine plural and using"thus" like that is antiquated. I will change it.Smeat75 (talk) 11:36, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about saying, not in the first sentence, that is has been translated different ways (there must be sources of performances in English, and how it was announced then), and what it literally means? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This opera was not performed very much in English speaking countries until the mid 20th century and when it was the title was usually kept in Italian as it is hard to translate accurately. If you want to expand discussion of how the title is best translated, go ahead.Smeat75 (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: There isn't a section on the influence of the opera on modern books, plays, etc.  The case that comes to mind is the play and film 'Closer', which follows the opera in revolving around a couple swapping partners, and explicitly references the opera at a crucial point in the plot.86.183.245.249 (talk) 00:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Popular culture' 

message: The article says this:
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But which theatre was this? The article for Her Majesty's Theatre currently has this, in the lead:
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Can these two claims be reconciled or corrected in any way? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  First London performance 

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