Talk:Ansar al-Islam in Kurdistan

message: Ansar al Islam is listed in Kurd ss a Kurdish group?
Are they?
Ansar al-Islam  is a Kurdish islamic group ! see * Mullah Krekar Interview
: Nowadays "Ansar al-Islam" refers to two different groups. The non-Kurdish one is the outfit in Iraq that formerly called themselves Ansar al-Sunnah. But that group is pretty well out of business, permanently. :) 209.121.88.198 (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurds

message: The Foreign Nationals Directorate of Norway and the Security Police of Norway utilized this page as one of their sources in a case when the norwegian authorities wanted to expel  Ansar al-Islam leader Mullah Krekar from Norway...
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: To clarify, Norwegian officials used this article as a source on behalf of Solberg (who is the Norwegian minister of the interior). When asked if she knew what Wikipedia is, she said no. See  (in Norwegian). Haakon 11:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right, thanks for filling in information, but it's not customary to edit other people's entries to discussion pages. Haakon 08:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erna Solberg 

message: Does this lengthy piece really belong in this article? --Vindheim 07:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  salafism 

message: Do we have any sources for the statement that local Kurds beleive that there is a link between Ansar al-Islam and Hussein's government? (Not saying that they don't, would just like to see verification...) crazyeddie 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Several people  in Halabja were quoted as holding this view in a  recent Norwegian book ("Reiser i krigen skygge", Inger Østenstad and Hawdam Salih Jaf).  I am reluctant to take such rumours as fact, but it is true that commom enemies some times makes for strrnge bedfellows. Saddam and Ansar both hated the PUK.  And of course Ansar al-islam never fought the baathists.  --Vindheim 02:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I had exactly the same concern about this claim; I'm actually surprised there's not more discussion about it, as it goes to the heart of the question of a Al-Qaeda/Baathist link.  I'm not claiming it's false, though if it's true, there surely must be an English source if there's a Norwegian one.  Also, "several people in Halabja were quoted as saying" is not identical to "local Kurds largely accept the link". --Saforrest 20:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, this claim needs a source, as it is an important and controversial one. Should it be removed or edited to reflect the uncertainty?
MeDoc 19:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurdish views on Ansar al-Islam - Hussein link

message: hi this is just a formating suggestion and doesn't concern content, i think the first paragraph is well written and should be presented as summary of a seperate article as the section is getting too long. feel free to come up a better title for that article, the title name i wrote is just a suggestion.Burnt-sienna 15:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: The "link section" needs own article 

message: The Ansar al-Islam did, however, never engage Baathist forces...
How do we know this to be true? According to a captured former Iraqi official, his government "blamed Ansar al-Islam for two bombings in Baghdad." (2006 Senate Intelligence Report, p. 93) This unnamed official described to the FBI how he traveled to Saddam's presidential palace to refute accusations made by then Secretary of State Colin Powell. smb1971 19:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: very interesting. in the light of this I'll remove the sentence you quote. --Vindheim 21:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins

message: I think that the article could be split, however, we could keep some of the suggested split material and just put a main article link. Thoughts? Eric Wester 16:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: Split 

message: This is an extremely one-sided entry that aims to bolster the almost universally discredited notions that a) Ansar al-Islam had something other than a tangential relationship to al Qaeda, and b) that AI had some sort of operational relationship with and the support of Sadaam. These are AM Radio talking points masquerading as an encyclopedia entry. It would be quite easy to come up with a list of quotes from newspaper articles making the case that these supposed Ansar al-Islam connections to Saddam were anything but the wishful thinking of Douglas J. Feith. This article needs a massive overhaul. It really belongs on "Conservapedia."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg (talk • contribs) 
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Ok, I fixed it. A list of highly suspect allegations have no place in an encyclopedia article. Stick to facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashe the Cyborg (talk • contribs) 23:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, I think.  Someone will probably add some of that crap back but I agree the article is better without it.  I did move the paragraph down to the section called "Alleged links to Sadaam" which mentions Colin Powell's comments too. csloat (talk) 00:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias

message: I'm going through this line by line. This line: "Ansar al-Islam fortified a number of villages  along the Iranian border, under the protection of Iranian artillery support." listed a CS Monitor article as a reference, yet no where in that article did it even mention Iranian artillery. In fact, most of the article details how hostile Iran has been to AI. So I don't know where that is coming from. Ashe the Cyborg (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Statement has been reinserted, but I shall find a better reference.--Vindheim (talk) 11:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Found a general reference to Iranian  support in an ICG-report. --Vindheim (talk) 11:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Ther assertion is not that  the Ansar al-islam has Iranian support, the  documented fact is that they had such support while holding their enclave on the Iranian border.  With a bit of research I am sure I wil find further documentation, also of the artillery support (reference  to which has now been removed).--Vindheim (talk) 15:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I've fixed this and moved it out of the lede.  If we get evidence of government support we can include that but for now I agree this is no more meaningful than saying they got "American support" because some Kurdish-Americans sent them cookies. csloat (talk) 17:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually what they received was not cookies but mortar shells, RPGs and other arms. A brief discussion of  which Iranian factions sanctioned this support is found at <http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=1823>. See pp 7-8 in the PDF report. --Vindheim (talk) 18:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Please go ahead and rephrase the  Iranian connection bit, in the meanwhile I'll find another source for the Zarqawi statement.--Vindheim (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

text: found a reference from the  wWashington Post via Kurdmedia. --Vindheim (talk) 15:55, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iranian  links 

message: The page had been essentially untouched since 2008. Gone through and performed a clean up on the text, made it easier to understand, added infobox, added couple more recent events.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gazkthul (talk • contribs) 01:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up 

message: Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 15:34, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please read notice at top concerning sanctions and 1RR per 24 hours 

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message: This didn't happen. what happened is that 50 members (not leaders as written in the article) gave Bay'ah to IS. the rest of the group in Iraq and Syria is still active!3bdulelah (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: What was wrong with this:  Seems like at least one of the sources is 100% solid and other two look OK. BobFromBrockley (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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