Talk:Swansea railway station

message: Hi there,
There might well be an article in Swansea's varied railway history. Not sure about articles on every station, mind you! But I think it would be a good idea to move this article's title to Swansea High Street station (no capital on station) or something along those lines, since that's its name (as far as I know). There have been many stations in and around Swansea., which is why High Street station got its name in the first place, I should think. 
Other stations include(d) Swansea Victoria, the Landore depot, and the terminus for the Mumbles railway. If you don't object (and don't beat me to it), I think it should move to Swansea High Street station or Swansea High Street railway station. 
Sadly, the first-person comments should probably come out, too.  Disappointing, I know, but.. :) 
Telsa 29 June 2005 22:14 (UTC)
:It shouldn't move, as the current name of the station is just "Swansea".  If someone ever writes articles about the other stations, then perhaps a redirect page for "Swansea High Street railway station" (which points here) perhaps should be made.  --RFBailey 14:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Going to move to High Street

message: Probably a pointless bit of coincidental info.  Starting at the end of this month, the St. Louis, Missouri metro area will connect the cities of Shrewsbury, Missouri and Swansea, Illinois via its Metrolink light rail system.  Anyways, I removed a redirect to the Swansea Metrolink Station as it is near impossible for someone to confuse the two pages. --Millbrooky 01:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Swansea and Shrewbury in St. Louis

message: I am not terribly bothered, but for the anonymous IP who has deleted every mention of "High Street" from the article, some references.
* Arriva call it Swansea High Street Station.
*The council call it High Street Station. 
*The university calls it High Street Station.
*The book A guide to the industrial archaeology of the Swansea region calls it Swansea (High Street) Station.
Telsa (talk) 09:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've verified with Network Rail documents that Network Rail call it Swansea High Street Station 81.2.110.250 00:29, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

text: This is all so trivial as to be funny, really, but it's messing up my watchlist with this low-level constant reversion. Instead of discussion via edit summary, can we talk it out on the talk page? Things I, for one, don't understand include: what are the "historical reasons" for the sign saying High Street; in whose eyes "Swansea remains the name" - I posted a bunch of web and one big book reference months ago, and one of the IP addresses has posted others, all of which say High Street - so who is the person/group/body saying it's Swansea; and why this subject inspires such passion. (Oh, and there are other stations besides High Street in Swansea-the-county, although I imagine the residents of Gowerton would not consider themselves to be part of Swansea-the-city, so on that one, some precision might help.) Telsa (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Please note that on checking Welshleprechaun's IP address, this user has been banned twice before for vandalising articles with his anti-Swansea agenda and attempts to falsify information on Wikipedia. The hard fact is that is station is also known as High Street station and sigs used by the operator of this station use this name.  That's pretty official. It's only one (and only one) editor's personal opinion that it's not. I'd like to warn that user that even though they are operating from a shared IP address, that it can still be banned and they will be reported to the owner of the address. Avebury 13:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of us have checked our sources, right back to formal documents for the operation of the line.  It is known as Swansea High Street Station. Network Rail (the owners) confirm this. Network Rail documents confirm this. If the owner and railway administrator calls it High Street then it is High Street. It is even clearly signposted as High Street station on the front of the building 81.2.110.250  —Preceding comment was added at 23:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Please learn the minimal about the adminstration of the UK railway network before vandalising articles. Network Rail own the Swansea High Street station. Trenau Arriva Cymru administer the station according to the Franchise agreement, the rules of the route for which call it "Swansea High Street Station". Furthermore Arriva have a large blue sign on the front of the station which in huge letters says "Welcome to High Street station". So  1) Network Rail the owners call it High Street 2) Arriva trains have erected a huge sign saying its high street station 3) the post office say its high street station 4) the government say its Swansea high street station. I suggest next time you are out of newcastle you actually take a look at the station and observe the signage.  Now kindly stop the vandalism. I don't really want to have to give Ian Rutherford all the page change times IPs and logs and ask him to take action. 81.2.110.250  —Preceding comment was added at 01:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Photographic proof:  - Arriva signage saying High Street station. AlanCox  —Preceding comment was added at 02:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The proof lies above it. Note Swansea/Abertawe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.240.229.65 (talk) 23:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And no doubt you'd argue that Birmingham New Street should perhaps be called "Birmigham New' by ignoring half the signage too. Please stop vandalising the Swansea Railway Station page with your old or new IP address. 81.2.110.250 (talk) 19:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 81.2.110.250, don't be so stupid. Anyway, I've edited the section to include cases for both Swansea and Swansea High Street. Many official organisations including the council, the university, Arriva etc. use both terms so any further drastic edits are hypocritical (assuming these editors are against vandalism) and just pushing your POV across.  Welshleprechaun (talk) 13:40, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Umm this would be the Welsh Leprechaun who has been banned before ? Please stop vandalising this article. I've no objection to covering both names, but you have changed it from one POV to the reverse without citing clear evidence. Show me statistical analysis from a third party. 81.2.110.250 (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clear evidence? Apart from the references from Swansea Council, the Assembly etc.? If you are referring to public usage, you obviously can't cite that but if you think more people say that they're going to Swansea High Street station rather than Swansea station then you've obviously never been to Swansea Welshleprechaun (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only have I been to Swansea, I live there. It's called high street station by the railway companies, the bus companies, the official articles that define the route, the owners of the building, and a bloody great big blue sign on the front. High street station is a name routinely used by locals (eg in the local press letters pages 
81.2.110.250 (talk) 18:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bus companies do not define the name. And with regards to it being referred to High Street by the train companies, I think you'll find that it's listed as Swansea in train timetables and on platform signs. I used to live in Swansea as well and you must be joking if you think more people call it High Street. Arriva erected the High Street sign to keep Swansea people's self-importance up. Welshleprechaun (talk) 20:57, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone who lives in Swansea I can confirm its often called High Street station. The sign also reflects the official naming within the railway system and legal acts as well as the franchise agreements. I can only imagine the simplified "Swansea' signage is there to avoid overtaxing the brains of visitors from further east. 81.2.110.250 (talk) 23:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of current and former local residents (and even railwaymen) who persist in referring to it as "High Street".  90.203.45.214 (talk) 20:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't know there were so many ignorant people in Swansea Welshleprechaun (talk) 21:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: Somebody keeps adding information about connections about Cardiff Central station to this and other Welsh station articles.  The connection information about services from Cardiff central has already been stated in the Cardiff Central railway station article.  It is not really directly relevant in other station articles.  According to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia is not a place to promote travel services from Cardiff.  If we are to add connection information about connections at other stations with direct services to this station, the list could be huge and detract from the core relevant information about this article. Avebury 17:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Connections

message: The station name in the infobox is a mess (see right). Other station articles do not look like this. A recent edit summary states "Network Rail documentation, and new station signage depict iras Swansea High Street". Where is the evidence for this? This page certainly states simply "Swansea", and I am willing to accept "Abertawe" as the Welsh form. Even if it were so, we should have  and . --Redrose64 (talk) 16:49, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was unaware it had been changed. I believe that sign does exist - Google Street View for the evidence, but as is the case for dozens if not hundreds stations across the country I believe this to be a commemoration of its historical name of a time when even places as small as Swansea had multiple railway stations. However you only need to look at a railway timetable, platform signage and Arriva/FGW/Network Rail websites to see this name is no longer used, except by a few nostalgic trainspotters. I'm therefore removing the outdated name as per previous discussions and contemporary official naming. Welshleprechaun 19:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but be prepared for reaction from those who desire its presence. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I shall kindly point them to sources, previous discussions and an arbitration committee if need be. Welshleprechaun 20:05, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming, again