Talk:Dave Emory

message: According to Emory's own website he graduated Amherst with a degree in psychology.  If I can find that out in five minutes, why can't anyone here do the heavy lifting of providing detailed biographical info for this article? -- Egomet_Bonmot  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.195.247 (talk) 09:13, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ditto

message: According to the the spitfire website, Dave Emory does his broadcasts from  Cupertino, California, which is located in the San Francisco Bay Area.  His distributor is based in Ben Lomond, California, but he is not.
--Ggus 05:20, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is a proponent of a belief that neofascists are using various aspects of popular culture - such as some forms of industrial music and gothic music - and the occult, to promote fascist beliefs. 
Is there any support for this? Dave Emory says all kinds of hard-to-believe stuff, but has he really implied that?
--babbage 18:35, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I have corrected the original claim. Emory did not make these claims about gothic or industrial music. http://www.spitfirelist.com/f211.html 
--babbage 00:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  My thoughts, too. Of course all those interest groups do exist, substituting that with "Nazis" and designing a conspiracy theory around this is hilarious to nutty.--41.151.118.231 (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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message: I remember seeing somewhere on the web, that like this article says, a lot of his beliefs were inspired by an old lady. Now I see that he gets interviews on his show frequently, so there must be a few people who believe his viewpoints. Is there any name they call themselves, or are called by others? I do not believe the blankent term "anti-fascist researcher" is adequate because if you look in that category, you will find a lot of anti neo-nazi and anti-"right wing nationalist" groups like in britain, very different then alledging real literal nazi's secretly in the us government.
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Mae Brussell and Dave Emory...
The late Mae Brussell inspired Mr. Emory. She was the first researcher to make the connections between the JFK assassination and Watergate. During the seventies and eighties she presented a weekly radio program and wrote many article for various publications, including Paul Krassner's The Realist magazine. Mr. Emory carries on her work with a deep reading of current events and presents their relation to history, in particular WWII. Mr. Emory's show was once called One Step Beyond and aired on Sunday evenings on KFJC in nothern California. His  co-host was Nip Tuck, aka Tad Williams, the prolific science-fiction writer. Nip Tuck's good humor and enthusiasm combined with Mr. Emory's research for a fascinating blend of news and commentary. Mr. Emory has presented shows dealing with AIDS as a biological weapon, the O.J. Simpson case and white supremacy, UFOs and the New Age as politcal manipulation, the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK and Malcom X, mind control, etc. Currently Mr. Emory is focused on the connections between Islamic-Fascism and Hitler and German National Socialism.
:I, for one, believe in him (sorta kinda). The information he provides is apparently solid and well researched; he is at the very least open about his sources, which is more than can be said about many "conspiracy theorists". The one major weakness is that his theories seem to be heavily based on guilt-by-association. Jonas Liljeström (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am just listening to one his podcasts on how Germany is still a "Nazi" state. He's got a serious voice, but what he says is pretty loony and often contradicted by his own sources. --41.151.122.85 (talk) 07:05, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  His theories are completely based on guilt by association -- "connect the dots" gone wild. It's much like numerologists finding secret messages in the bible or Shakespeare's plays ... anything and everything can be found this way, independent of the truth. -- 71.102.129.188 (talk) 07:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who else believes emory's theories and what is the origin of them?

message: Does anyone know of any programs Mr.Emory has done on the neocons and their connection to the war in Iraq?
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There is an enormous amount of backlog on the Spitfire site, which is searchable, so discussions here can only point there. If Emory is capable of anything, it's providing an abundance of information.
The neocons and, more succinctly, the Project for the New American Century are not exactly a secret, and discovering or promulgating a "connection" between them and the Iraq war is somewhere on the order of espousing a "connection" between Hollywood and, well, movies.
It's not esoteric stuff.
But Emory expands the context—neocons inlcuded—of the Iraq war (a "Proxy War" in Emory's ken) into the larger framework of the oft-proffered Underground Reich theory. It may seem complex, outlandish even, but it isn't so crazy if you allow for the fact that institutions—like the German-based multinational cartels who bankrolled the Nazi rise in Germany—evolve. They do not simply go away. (In the case of the dye and chemical mega-cartel I.G. Farben, there is no historical precedent of its scale by which to really compare or comprehend it, much less track the course of its capital interests and maneuverings from the 19th century through the Cold War, and present the whole thing intelligibly.)
So, it's easy (and obviously useful to some) to marginalize, discredit and thus dismiss someone like Emory as a conspiracy nut—he is an outsider, his style is digressive, rambling, self-admittedly pedantic, and there's the voice thing, etc. He's basically a commentator, not an established scholar or professional journalist (to name only two professions whose credibility is slipping rapidly). Nor is he particularly pro-Israel, certainly not anti-Semitic, but basically—sounds corny—anti-fascist.
Rather than hitching his wagon to the established order where it's de rigueur to bank on the passivity, forgetfulness and weakness of a consumer-client-audience, Emory presents his work as an appeal to the listener, each listener: See for yourself, read for yourself, think for yourself.
Agree or not, to follow this admonition and delve into Emory's material—among which there are many fascinating and creditable writers to be found—will likely change your way of looking at history, and to many that is a threat.
--Blaswell 06:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Emory's take on the war in Iraq? 

message: shouldn't the title of this page be dave emory?  Peterhoneyman 14:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dave not david 

message: Actually, it could be both.
He uses Dave Emory on the radio, and as I recall, at times when speaking publicly he's used David Emory on print and ad materials.
Mister X, radio guy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.226.231.4 (talk) 07:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: Looks like RFDodge has done the cleanup. Refreshing neutrality. Question: Is candidate John Buchanan one in the same as journalist John Buchanan? (See dismabiguation.) Is he really a frequent interview guest?   Blaswell (talk) 14:18, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions re Buchanan following major revision

message: It's been years since my late night commutes took me within range, but I always liked David Emory because, amongst other things, he has a great voice and his conspiracy theories as spun by him were massive and long and made for a giant web of late night radio stay awake on the freeway goodness.
70.7.28.51 (talk) 21:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I wish it could be pointed out that he's marvellously entertaining in the best sense 

message: While I agree that Dave Emory can be quite "entertaining", and perhaps you may be joking about him being a "conspiracy theorist", but I believe you do his work a dis service by saying that.
He only uses publicly available documents, and has an uncanny ability to look at "the big(ger) picture" than most folks do, and in no way is he a "conspiracy theorist", in fact, if you put in the time to do your own research, you'll see that it's more like a nefarious well thought out long term business plan, than a conspiracy.
I started working at KFJC FM in 1980, so I've known Dave E. for awhile now (though I haven't seen him in 15 years), and when I first heard his radio show I couldn't believe what I was hearing because I'd already run across the now late, Mae Brussel's radio show, and their shows sounded very similar and quite frankly, unbelievable.
So I started doing my own research, and after six months I wasn't so sure he was a crack pot after all, and after a year, I knew he was on to something very big, so big, that most folks can only glaze over or attack the messenger upon hearing this information.
Later on, I hung out with him at a "radio house" when I'd go to visit some of my other radio friends who lived there, so I've spent some time talking to Dave outside of his "radio personality" and he comes off as intense as he is on the radio, but he's a caring individual who's deeply concerned by what he's been reading/seeing for the last 30 or so years and he feels compelled to share that information with anybody who will listen.
He's certainly one of the most altruistic people I've ever known, as he gave up a career to pursue these issues, and attempt to bring them to public notice.
He's always said "follow the money", and used public sources, and kept conjecture to a minimum, and it's lead to some very "interesting" places.
- Mister X, Radio Guy, and AKA Mike Steele, former music programmer on KFJC FM
Of course a conspiracy theorist is exactly what he is, as are you ... he infers all sorts of things that go way beyond the facts he starts with; being deeply concerned or altruistic has nothing to do with it ... most conspiracy theorists are quite sincere, just wrongheaded. An example is Emory's latest schtick of attacking people who "like Glenn Greenwald" because Greenwald, as  a lawyer, defended a bad guy. He says that, if you don't "like" Greenwald's "milieu", you shouldn't "like" Greenwald. That's utterly fallacious and irrational.
Anyway, this page is not for testimony for or against Dave Emory ... it is strictly for improving the article. -- 71.102.129.188 (talk) 08:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: http://spitfirelist.com/
His newer audio programs, although the voice identifies itself as "Dave Emory", there's no way that's his actual voice. Am I the only one noticing this?
: I've noticed this as well. Obviously he's got someone else reading for him. I have yet to see an explanation for it. Kortoso  (talk) 18:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't listen to Emory in many years, and I was shocked... for the first 10 seconds or so. His date pronunciation is very distinctive (eg. "Two thousand and six-teeeen..."), and it was signature for me; he clearly has developed some kind of aphasia, stroke symptoms, Bell's palsy or something, but that is certainly Dave Emory. JohndanR (talk) 01:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

text: OK, I've tracked it down to "FTR #749 Interview with John Loftus, Side 1" where he tells Loftus he is recovering from major jaw surgery due to a serious tooth infection, or something like that. It appears that his delivery never did recover, and all recordings since #749 have the same labored speech. JohndanR (talk) 01:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice 

message: About half of the text here is people discussing their opinions and conjectures on article's subject. That's what Reddit is for. WP talk pages are for discussing the article and nothing else. (This is not a technicality; rampant kibitzing seriously reduces our ability to edit an article effectively.) For the good of the order. Laodah 02:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The real problem, and among Wikipedia articles  hardly unique to the man, is that Dave Emory hasn't sufficient notability to warrant an article at all. Comments about Dave are about all one can make on a talk page and this page should be deleted along with its 'article'. JohndanR (talk) 04:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

text: I generally agree, Emory is not that notable even among conspiracy nuts. But Wikipedia carries pages on every trivial character from every Anime show ever, every trivial science fiction show, etc. So it's hard to draw the line on notability  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.165.36 (talk) 23:55, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Reminder: this is not a chatroom or newsgroup

message: Since 2017, the article has described Emory as a conspiracy theorist. This is a well merited descriptor; Emory has promoted a long list of conspiracy theories. The article has now, however, switched the description to 'anti-fascist'. Any reason this should not be switched back? Rgr09 (talk) 00:48, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the sources in the article appear to be reliable. I’m generally not in favor of calling someone a CT without sourcing from reliable sources, but I think I saw two Gbook hits to support it. - Location (talk) 04:46, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Dave Emory's Conspiracy-Theory tail so thoroughly wagged his Antifa dog, that I could only consider it reasonable to think it  the other way round. One can be both, but honestly he's conspiracy-theorist to the point of deserving being elevated to royal knut hood.JohndanR (talk) 20:01, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conspiracy theorist 

message: I have removed these items from the "Related reading" section:
*Manning, Paul. (1981). Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile Secaucus, NJ: Lyle Stuart, Inc. (ISBN 0-8184-0309-8)
*Borkin, Joseph. (1978). The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben. New York: The Free Press (MacMillan). (ISBN 0-02-904630-0)
*Rosecrance, Richard. (1999). The Rise of the Virtual State: Wealth and Power in the Coming Century. New York: Basic Books. (ISBN 0465071422)
*Scott, Peter Dale. (1996). Deep Politics and the Death of JFK. Berkeley: University of California. (ISBN 0-520-20519-7)
These books discuss various theories that Dave Emory shares, but they do not discuss him. That is not what this section is for. - Location (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Related reading