Talk:Branch Rickey

message: While it's true that Rickey did draft Clemente in the Rule Five draft from the Dodgers, Clemente was not the first hispanic player in the big leagues.
The first black player was almost also the first Hispanic. Rickey desperately wanted Silvo Garcia, a Mexican shortstop, in 1944, but Garcia proved to be almost 30--too old to be a rookie--and could not pull the ball. A right-handed hitter, everything he hit went to right. Although extremely gifted athletically, he was nixed by super-scout Tom Greenwade to Rickey, and Greenwade soon discovered Robinson playing for the Kansas City Monarchs. (Greenwade also saw Roy Campanella playing in Monterrey Mexico on the same scouting trip)--Buckboard 20:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a great fan of both Clemente and Rickey, but I don't think the Pirates' acquisition of Clemente reflects enough on Rickey to mention it in the introduction. Clemente was a well-known prospect in Puerto Rico. He was signed by the Dodgers after significant bidding by other teams. The Dodgers, though, had difficulties keeping him under rules in place to prevent teams from monopolizing young talent.  The Pirates were able to draft Clemente because they finished last the previous year and therefore had the first pick in the draft of excess players. Rickey had a significant role in increasing scouting in Latin America and in laying the groundwork for the strong Pirate teams of 1960-79, but the selection of Clemente wasn't a move demonstrating special acumen. Note that Clemente is barely mentioned in the body of the article.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 15:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Returning to this subject, I want to remove the references to Clemente in the introduction and in the side box.  Rickey is not even mentioned in the article about Clemente.  The box says that Rickey "Signed Roberto Clemente for the Pirates, opening Major League Baseball for Caribbean players."  There had been players from Cuba, Puerto Rico,or Mexico in the majors almost continuously from 1910 onwards.  Minnie Minoso from Cuba was a big star by the time young Clemente came into the league, and Bobby Avila of Mexico had won the American League batting title just a year before. Clemente played in his first All Star Game in 1960, five years after Rickey retired as the Pirates general manager and a year after severing all ties with the team.Arnold Rothstein1921 (talk) 02:28, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clemente wasn't the first hispanic player. 

message: it's mentioned in the lede, but nowhere in the article. needs cite and probably expansion, badly.Anastrophe (talk) 08:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "somewhat theatrical religiosity" 

message: "Branch Rickey is attributed with the famous quotation: "Luck is the residue of opportunity and design." (Quoted by Larry King 7/12/2006.), although 17th century writer John Milton initially coined the phrase."  This phrase appears in Wikiquote attributed to Branch Rickey (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Luck) and to John Milton (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Medieval_II:_Total_War) but not on the page for either person.  (Medieval II, Total War?) 24.27.31.170 (talk) 20:11, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luck is the residue of [opportunity and] design 

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