Talk:If on a winter's night a traveler

message: Whose text would I be reading when reading the English translation of Calvino's book, i.e. wouldn't it make sense to name the translator(s) or current editions?
Leo Umlaut (talk) 02:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Translator

message: Rather than just make mention of themes in the plot summary I think we can expand this article. For example, have a comprehensive exploration of the themes and various concepts deconstructed by Calvino. And perhaps also a character section. It'll be really unconventional characterisation, for sure, but readers will appreciate it if we modelled this article on the model used in articles regarding litereary novels. Yili2943 (talk) 23:03, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section - Themes 

message: It is a nice image of the cover of the novel that we have in this article, however, if this image is to be used then the entire entry should be named "If on a winter's night a traveller," with two L's, as it appears on the image used. Otherwise, you should use a different book cover. Come one, people. 87.84.248.99 (talk) 11:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: UK editions seem to have a British-English cover but American-English text (the William Weaver Translation). Humphrey Jungle (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: One L or Two L's, but not both

message: Some devilish rogue has replaced the article's text with, I quote, "a juvenile pastiche of the book If on a winter's night a traveler, by Italo Calvino." While such dastardly deeds must not be encouraged, I believe that the new version should be preserved in some way for posterity. Thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.107.155.107 (talk) 00:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about a talk page link? Here you go. But it can't go in the article, sadly. -Phoenixrod (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The above link 404s now... I believe the text under discussion is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=If_on_a_winter%27s_night_a_traveler&direction=prev&oldid=383935943  which is a fun read. Dingolover6969 (talk) 09:40, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

text: That is too bad, since in many (non-Wikipedian) ways, it's a better summary :)...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halavais (talk • contribs) 15:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I just found this through Stumble.  It's not super informative, but I think it should stay the way it is for its own sake. -Banyan (talk) 03:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found this through stumble, as well.  i must say that it has surely made me interested in the book, the way the article is written.  however, being an ad for the book is not Wikipedia's function TribeCalledQuest (talk) 03:13, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism of a Brilliant Variety? 

message: I have merged the text of Cimmeria (Calvino) here, based on the result of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Cimmeria_(Calvino). Please feel free to help make the information more relevant and clear. I'm not sure what exactly to do with it, so I am simply adding it as a new section. -Phoenixrod (talk) 15:53, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cimmeria (Calvino)  

message: I gotta say, even though this version is pretty hilarious and kind of epic, it should probably be switched back to something that retains actual information. 
Arque  (talk) 22:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind explaining what you'd like to see instead? -Phoenixrod (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Version

message: The article fails to note an interesting and perhaps significant point about the titles of the chapters. When the chapter titles are read in order they form a sentence or poem beginning with the first chapter which is the same as the book title If on a winters night a traveler. 
If on a winter’s night a traveler,
outside the town of Malbork,
leaning from the steep slope,
within fear of wind and vertigo,
looks down in the gathering shadow,
in a network of lines that enlace,
in a network of lines that intersect,
on a carpet of leaves illuminated by the moon,
around an empty grave –
What story down there awaits its end? 
I don't think it is necessary to list all the chapters as I have done above, but I do think it is worth mentioning the Italo Calvino's use of the concept in writing the book.
I am not a capable writer of Wikipedia articles so I'm not not going to add this info into the article but I certainly recommend someone will do so. Two sources are listed below but perhaps others can be found without too much trouble.
Sources:
https://lettersrepublic.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/book-1-2-if-on-a-winters-night-a-travler/
http://www.shmoop.com/if-on-a-winters-night-a-traveler/title.html
If you read my talk page entry above and think it isn't important enough or there is not enough space for adding a sentence regarding the chapter titles forming a poem or passage then consider that it was deemed important enough to state that the musician Sting entitled one of his albums If on a winter's night a traveler. Tomandzeke (talk) 03:34, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! I was also keenly interested in seeing this incorporated. Thanks for the schmoop source to cite, by the way. Dingolover6969 (talk) 10:02, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Chapter Titles

message: Two problems here:
(1) per WP:EXT, links to sites outside Wikipedia should not normally be placed in the body of an article as this link is, but rather in an External links section.  This problem could be corrected by adding an External links section and moving the link to it.
(2) More seriously, per WP:LINKSTOAVOID item 11 we should generally avoid providing external links to personal web pages except those written by a recognized authority (see WP:SPS and WP:USESPS#The problem with self-published sources for discussion of the problem). I don't think the author of the linked academic paper is yet a recognized authority on the subject of feminism or Traveler.
Thank you,
Dieter.Meinertzhagen (talk) 02:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted external link addition by 109.130.161.152 of 15:26, 11 March 2021

message: If you quote David Mitchell's "opinion" on rereading Italo Calvino's book, you should also mention that he published his book "Cloud Atlas" at the time and the basic idea is a total ripoff of "If on a Winter's Night a Traveller" []. -- 2003:E5:174A:BC4C:960:E0C6:973E:72EF (talk) 18:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Mitchell