Talk:Carpe diem

message: The article says Horace is using the verb carpere as "everyone wants to drink wine," but he is in fact using it in its traditional way of "to pluck, pick or seize." The allusion he was most likely trying to make was to the harvest, when grapes needed to be "plucked" precisely when they were the most ripe. The claim in the article isn't cited, and I can't find a citation for my hypothesis either, so suggest the sentence be removed. --Bateau (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carpere 

message: Carpe diem, seize the... carp? --Juan Ponderas 
:Quit carping. --maru   (talk)  contribs 06:14, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tomfoolery 

message: Should CARPE DIEM be deleted? It's argued in the CARPE DIEM history that since the original would have been in all-capitals, it might make sense to have an all-capital version redirect, but I think it looks odd (particularly since most Wikipedia pages are first-letter-capitalised). -- Gaurav 17:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. Redirects are cheap. Besides, there's the possibility somebody could one day type this in (i.e. they forgot to turn off caps lock). Just leave it as a redirect. --Johnleemk | Talk 18:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[CARPE DIEM]] 

message: I believe the phrase was first used in Horace's Ode 1.11 . The Latin roots of the phrase should be more fully explored. Minglex 12:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the phrase 

message: It seems like this article really lacks focus; there's exactly one paragraph of explanation, followed by the entirety of the passage the phrase comes from, followed by a laundry list of every time the phrase, or a translation or alteration of the phrase, has appeared in popular culture. I think the first thing to be done is to cut out most of the references in pop culture, but I don't really know which ones warrant mention and which don't. Does anyone have any thoughts on the matter? —RuakhTALK 15:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lacks focus 

message: There's a game I used to see in the newspaper that is usually a play on words.  It usually references the "carpe diem" phrase. There are a couple examples already at the bottom of the page (i.e. carp diem = seize the fish).  In the game, other popular phrases are also slightly altered to give a different meaning.  Does anyone know if this game has a name?  I think a link would be appropriate here. --geekyßroad. meow? 04:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Play on words game 

message: I had a friend who took Latin in high school and for a couple years during her undergraduate and one day told me she stumbled upon a translation in multiple sources of Carpe where it meant "to waste." I wrote it off until I heard that someone at my college was using this different translation. I was wondering if anyone has stumbled upon this so that I can verify this. I know that if you translate "to waste" it usually comes up as Decoctum. Darthjarek (talk) 03:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Waste the Day? 

message: Should "sieze the day tomorrow" find mention in the lead? ReluctantPhilosopher (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carp diem cras 

message: I had added an external link to http://theotherpages.org/poems/SubjIdx/carpe.html, but it was removed with the comment that it did not comply with the content guidellines. Can I get some feedback on what the issue might be? I thought a discussion of Carpe Diem in poetry with example works would be appropriate? Is the tone of the linked material too informal? Would it be better to insert a section on the sub topic?
Thanks for any education you can give me.
Frequent user but infrequent editor.
Lycurgus1920 (talk) 18:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carpe Diem in Poetry 

message: Hello, I have noticed this phrase has no kind of 'transliteration', if you will, to IPA, as well as its pronounciation respelling key, but IPA first. I would do this myself but I don't know a word of Latin and need to call upon the community... --Γιάννης Α. ✆|☑ 22:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: I literally cried with laughter that someone put this in. 
(95.148.236.210 (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  YOLO 

message: "Ovid used the word in the sense of...."
Since Ovid is not around to confirm or deny this, I doubt his intended sense can be given as a fact.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.110.32.209 (talk) 22:54, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stick to Facts - this is an encyclopedia 

message: The section about meaning has a citation to original thought posed by a cracked author in a comedy article. There is no indication of familiarity with the work or Latin, and the meaning Horace intended is debatable. Certainly this source is not sufficient to say that Horace meant "not to trust that everything is going to fall into place for you and taking action for the future today." This citation detracts from the credibility of the section, not adds.
Gamecmdr (talk) 20:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation of a cracked article 

message: The detailed grammatical analysis seems pedantic and superfluous:
:Carpe is the second-person singular present active imperative of carpō ... Diem is the accusative case of the noun dies "day"....
Of course this is all true, but what does it add? --Macrakis (talk) 14:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want to sound smug, but it adds a grammatical analysis of the term. I don't think that's pedantic or superfluous, but encyclopedic. People are not forced to read or to absorb that section, but some readers might profit from it. I agree that "carpe is is the imperative of carpō" would be sufficient insofar as other forms of the imperative are quite rare, but that's coming from a background of some grammatical knowledge. I don't think there's any harm in presenting correct information, even if it's obscure. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We are certainly not constrained by the physical limitations of a paper encyclopedia. But minor details can obscure more important things. What would you think of putting the grammatical analysis in a note instead of in the main text? --Macrakis (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how the paragraph "Translation", already short, would deserve its own section if half of it were to be placed in a footnote. The current information provides useful text & links for the interested reader, while other can easily skip it. What's your suggestion for that section? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammatical analysis

message: As I'm not a native English speaker, I dare not correct, but I don't find "be truthful" in:
Sapias, vina liques et spatio brevi
spem longam reseces.
It means: "be wise, filter your wines (vina, plural, not vinum), and, time being short, trim long hope." Nothing about truth
Maybe a layer of Christian morals surreptitiously or unconsciously added over the good antique wisdom?--Francois C (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The source of the translation you refer to was dead, so we can't check. Instead, I provided a translation by John Conington. If you find a free reputable source with a different translation, feel free to suggest it here or use it in the article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:34, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that there were two ways of clarifying wine to drink: you could stand it or strain it. Standing it gave better results, but took much longer, so Horace advises straining as it shows less trust in the future. See Nisbet and Hubbard, where this point was first explicitly made. Seadowns (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Be truthful?

message: " taken from the Roman poet Horace's Odes (23 BC). " the name of the poet was Horace, not  Horace's Odes (23 BC).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.84.214.190 (talk) 13:53, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see any syntax error in that phrase. You forgot to include italics for Horace's work: "Horace's Odes" may not be the most fluent English, but it's not wrong or incomprehensible. Your suggestion, "from the anthology Horace's Odes" is grammatically suspect (shouldn't it be "from the anthology of Horace's Odes" or "from the anthology Odes by Horace" or "from Odes, an anthology by Horace"?) so I'm going to revert it. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Syntax error

message: User:Mauro Lanari changed all occurrences of the term "carpe diem" to italics in  and removed the use of . My reading of MOS:FOREIGNITALIC doesn't support that. Specifically, when following "If looking for a good rule of thumb, do not italicize words that appear in Merriam-Webster Online.", which "carpe diem" does. I suggest to restore straight Roman type and the template . -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 06:37, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced the template  only since it should italicize the text, whilst  doesn't work and I don't know why. --Mauro Lanari (talk) 07:03, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The purpose of the template  is explained at Template:Lang/doc. As for appearance, that pages explains: "It often makes no visible changes to the text ...". The template is not supposed to italicise text because not every instance of of Latin (or any other foreign language) must necessarily be in italics; see the page I mentioned, MOS:FOREIGNITALIC. You didn't address the question why MOS:FOREIGNITALIC demands that "carpe diem" must be in italics, so I'm going to restore straight Roman type. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Italics

message: If we remove the "r", we get "Cape" - take/seize. So can we say that carpe means pluck/pick, rather than take/seize? Am I being too Picky? Professor Bernard (talk) 17:55, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The word cannot be "cape," because that does not fit the meter. The first syllable is required to be long by the meter. In Latin metrics, the -arp- of "carpe" is long, but the -ap- of "cape" is short. 2600:1700:4424:7800:2CFA:CD9E:5752:75C0 (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I was trying to be funny.:) Professor Bernard (talk) 20:15, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pluck or Grasp/Seize 

message: In the last line, it should be "minimum," not "minime." Perhaps "minime" occurs in some manuscript, but "minimum" is in my text, and it is what one finds online when reading the poem in Latin--e.g. at the Pereus Project.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4424:7800:2CFA:CD9E:5752:75C0 (talk) 04:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in Poem