Talk:Baron Arundell of Wardour

message: #If the title "Baron Arundell of Wardour" is dormant, there must, by definition, be some individual who claims male-line descent from the 1st Baron, but cannot prove it with sufficient rigor. Who is this person? (I am changing this back to "extinct"; it's a barony by letters patent and cannot become abeyant because it's entailed on heirs-male. I will change it to "dormant" if there is in fact a credible claim of a collateral line.)
#While it's not impossible that the Grafschaft Arundell von Wardour was entailed as you describe, it would be very unusual. The best way to settle the matter would be to obtain the original Latin text of an Imperial patent to a Continental family where we know the title has followed the usual entail (all male-line descendants, and their daughters until marriage) and see if the Latin phraseology is the same. Choess 20:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: Choess, you can email me and I will send you my proof and correspondence on this issue. There actually is a petition for a credible claim to this title.
:That's certainly interesting. Put your email here or on your user page and I'll drop you a line. Choess 21:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it needs a royal warrant to enjoy full recognition of foreign titles and these stopped in the early C20 being granted to follow the eldest son to ensure that sundry courtesy titles didn't have a status GB didn't recognise. BTW the text of the HRE title can be found  Alci12 11:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I should note that François Velde has just posted on the subject in alt.talk.royalty again, quoting from Home Office archive 45/13725 :
"Incidentally, I learnt that a limitation to heirs general in an Austrian patent
is not to be construed in the English sense.  The Austrian government recently
had some correspondence with the College of Arms on the subject and have stated
that in Austria the expression is construed as referring only to a male heir."
Mr. Velde has put the [document] online; as he is generally regarded as a reliable source in matters of heraldry, I consider this sufficient proof that the Imperial title was granted to male-line descendants (and daughters) only. I will leave this message up for a few days in case someone has an objection to raise, but I will then amend the article to make it clear that the Imperial title went extinct with the Barony. Choess 04:54, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: For third parties - this "college" have address in P.O.Box in Teddington, Middlesex and email at MSN. More about is here http://groups.google.com/group/alt.talk.royalty/browse_thread/thread/96b5214dda7f5ec8/066ce38c77adcc8c?hl=cs&lnk=gst&q=imperial+college# .Yopie 12:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: Comment moved from Talk:Baron Arundell of Wardour/Comments where it is unlikely to be seen.  Astronaut (talk) 05:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be a whole lot easier to understand if you had bothered to check what you had written before clicking "save page".  The large sections cut & pasted from other sites, are given without context; where you have added your own text, you have failed to put a space after any punctuation mark, making it really hard to read; and due to the way in which wiki-markup works, the original paragraph separation has disappeared.  I was thinking of correcting some of the formatting errors, but in the end I just replaced the lines of "=" characters with lines of "-" to prevent your comment messing up the headers.  Astronaut (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: It has been mentioned in more than one place that he was killed in action; this is erroneous.  Had he been killed outright at time of death (25 September 1944) in any land force battles at that stage of the war it would be highly unlikely his body would be brought to be buried at Wardour Castle Chapel (registered by Commonwealth War Graves Commission).  It may be more correct to say he died from effects of service during the Second World War, for he died in England of tuberculosis for which he was repatriated from German captivity (ultimately Colditz Castle) as a prisoner of war.  I will look for a way to rephrase the statement in the article with citation, if someone else does not.Cloptonson (talk) 21:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Death of 16th and last Baron Arundell

message: In the post-Middle Ages era, anyone granted the title of Count by the emperor in his specific capacity as ruler of the Holy Roman Empire (rather than, e.g. as ruler of Austria, Bohemia, Hungary, the Spanish Netherlands, etc.) became, ipso facto, an "Imperial Count", whether he reigned over an immediate county or not.
This means austrain and English heraldry/nobility rules did not apply to this :one of a kind/extraordinary"grant.Also,count arundell was not a count but a "princely count"as seen,Proof of "princely perogative": The Emperor, delighted with Arundell's brave and gallant conduct and bearing, loaded him with honours, and created him, on the field of battle, a Count of the Sacred Roman Empire, with all the rank and privileges of an Austrian noble, and by special grant to descend to his legitimate posterity, male and female, for ever. Hence, every legitimately born Arundell is a Count or Countess (Reichsgraf or Reichsgrafin) of the Great German Empire of Rudolph of Hapsburg. The title and privileges and traditions are much thought of in Austria, and are equal to an old peerage in England. A prince in Austria is considered to have made a mesalliance should he marry a simple countess, but a countess of the Empire is placed on equal rank.
And:
THE LAWSON MANUSCRIPT.
ROGER DE ARRUNDELL WAS FOUND POSSESED OF TWENTY-EIGHT LORDSHIPS COM. SOMERSET 20 WILL CONQ.(DOMESDAY BOOK)
GILBERT DE ARUNDELL
SIR RENFRICK ARRUNDELL
SIR HUMPHREY ARUNDELL
SIR RALPH ARUNDELL
REINFRICK ARRUNDELL
SIR JOHN ARRUNDELL
JOHN ARRUNDELL/ELIZABETH DAUGHTER AND COHEIR OF SIR OLIVER CARMINOW
Before turning to the matches of Sir Oliver Carminow's descendants by his first wife, Elizabeth Pomeroy, I propose here to refer to the ancient seat of Carminow in the parish of Mawgan-in-Menage, which was probably rebuilt by Sir Oliver.
Ralph or Radulphus de la Pomerai was awarded some 54 Devonshire manors for his support of the Duke William of Normandy , known as William the Bastard, the Conqueror and as William I of England.
DNA MATCH:
John William Pomroy   
emailFTDNA Tip note Y-DNA37
R1b1a2      0  *My descendage is proven.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrhprincewilliamofwardour (talk • contribs) 18:31, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Austrian rules 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:162.201.51.26#CALVERTS_IN_MARYLAND  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrhprincewilliamofwardour (talk • contribs) 02:31, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof of claim 

message: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thomasarundell/royal.gif
My dna match:
 Petitt 
      
 R-M269   K1-T16362C   x--k haplotype traced to Israel and charlemegne(spell?)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hrhprincewilliamofwardour (talk • contribs) 02:38, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANOTHER DNA MATCH