Talk:Jewish-American princess stereotype

message: Err, wikitionary or delete? Doesn't seem right.... -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 01:08, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Is it always pejorative? I have wealthy Jewish family that refer to themselves as JAPs...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.191.171 (talk) 19:55, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pejorative?

message: Cher Horowitz in Clueless is Jewish.  In the television series, there is reference to her dressed as a dreidl child for Hanukkah! Writerchick 01:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe so, but she's never referred to as a "Jewish-American princess". As an outside viewer (a Brit), I'd say she's just a rich kid. Not sure it should be in the article, unless there are citable sources saying she is a typical "Jewish-American princess" --kingboyk 22:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clueless

message: To the extent that this term reflects some kind of sociological reality, we should use references carefully. It is, after all, a slur, and our general approach should be to avoid substantiating the slur. --Leifern 19:21, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent expansion

message: I challenge User:Sigmafactor to demonstrate why the picture of Natalie Portman, who definitively meets the definition of Jewish-American princess, should not appear in this article.--67.167.159.163 06:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand that the idea of a JAP as a caricature, but that doesn't mean that wikipedia should sink to the level of the old "You're so ____ that when you look ____ up in the dictionary, there is a picture of you" gag. It is also a little strange to embed an image of a person that isn't even in mentioned in the article without a caption to give context. --sigmafactor 06:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha!  Wanting to use a picture in a racial slur article?!  That's classic.  Whose picture will you use at Jap, and whose will you want to use at Nigger?  Give me a break! Turly-burly 06:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photograph

message: It it pronounced jay-ay-pee or jap rhymes-with-sap? Also, is Rachel in Friends a JAP? Thanks.
I think that Gretchen Wieners typifies the archetypal JAP, if I've ever seen one.
http://live.quizilla.com/user_images/S/spamscam/1084505613_lsgretchen.jpg
Is there an application for this criteria when the subject is a non-jew, or should I stick with calling them "preps"? Also, is prep+jew=J.A.P. a safe assumption?
Personal experience indicates to me that there is much factual truth regarding what is supposedly a stereotype. So some are offended...... well, the truth CAN hurt.Obbop 15:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: This reads like an essay -- sounds like it draws its own conclusions about the origin of this stereotype, and gives examples, but these appear to be original conclusions and there are no sources cited.  I'm tagging accordingly.YeahIKnow 15:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with that item is it's a sensitive word that is not used commonly in press.  It's going to prove hard to find sources willing to use it.  It's not violating WP:NEO, it's just a term you're not going to find very many sources attributing its use.  It's like most curse words that sort of just show up in the lexicon that no one bothered to investigate.  Most likely belongs in Wikitionary, though // 3R1C 17:10, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Original research" 

message: This sentence in the opening paragraph is confusing: "It can be taken and meant as an ethno-religious and/or sexist stereotype or slur."
I haven't personally traveled all over the country (and, to a lesser extent, Canada) but I'm pretty sure this definition of "jap" isn't really a slur.  Most of this article agrees with my personal experience that "jap" is a rather lighthearted term that's mostly used among.... well, "japs", if you'll forgive the expression.  It's a lot like "army brat"-- any one who has even heard this term knows some one in the army with a kid well enough to not take offense.
The reason I'm putting "jap" in quotes is because it's seriously offensive to call some one a "jap" if they're of Japanese descent.  I can remember more than one time when a young Jewish girl used the term, and it totally confused people who had not been enlightened about the whole Jewish Princess thing.
Anyway, that's why I put the tag up. -Haikon 15:20, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is confusing 

message: I've removed the pop culture section per WP:TRIVIA and WP:OR; it's reproduced here if it's felt that individual points are able to be integrated into the main article. DanielC/T+ 17:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture section reproduction

message: This is just another pop culture section similar to the one that was removed previously. Taken out for WP:TRIVIA and WP:OR. DanielC/T+ 10:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Examples in the Media" section removal

message: Like most articles, this one needs references and citations, and before these are given unreferenceable statements should be left out. Also, I think its important to keep an encyclopedic tone to this article. When I first saw it, it seemed like the author had just come to wikipedia after a seething argument or something. RSimione 15:21, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, just wanted to say: Wow! I'm impressed with the improvements! Thanks, 155.38.158.128! RSimione 04:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impressions 

message: Hello, I have a comment about the following sentence:
"The term “JAP” is sometimes used as a self-identifier by non-jewish women of percieved privilege, but this can seem offensive."
Several edits have gone back and forth between putting the word "perceived" into this sentence. It seems to me make the sentence awkward, though I realize some sort of qualifier is needed. I think I'll change it to: 
"The term "JAP" has been used by some women in order to be identified as privileged, but this manner can be offensive as it attempts to reinforce the stereotype." 
How does that sound? RSimione 13:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! RSimione 22:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Perceived privlege" 

message: This article is terrible. It is is need of a complete rewrite. It sounds like it was  written by the ADL. All the instances given in the article are of a xenophobic nature. In reality 99.999999% of the times the term JAP is used it is not as such. Lighten up. --Jon in California 27 September 2007  
:There are actually many many instances of it being used in an offensive manner. I'll come up with some references to put here. Just because a given person doesn't use it as a slur does not negate its meaning as a slur.QuizzicalBee 14:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhhh if someone uses it in a way that is not a slur than it not a slur. Also this article contains only offensive uses of the word, as per my original critique. --Jon in California 3 October 2007
Hey Jon, weren't you at the party the other day with Isiah Washington, George Allen, Michael Richards, Don Imus and Mel Gibson?  Of course that's why 99.99% of the people in your little southern California world are fluent in non-offensive language.  (AS)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.38.158.128 (talk) 16:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: While the reference in question may be relevant to the article, the additional information you're inserting clearly isn't, i.e. the image and the paragraph containing slang terms. Please limit the contribution to what you've sourced above and there shouldn't be a problem. DanielC/T+ 16:22, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible! 

message: The entire article talks about the usage and history of the term, but it doesn't really define it. What exactly IS a JAP? "implies materialistic and selfish tendencies, attributed to a pampered background" could be attributed to just about any affluent person. What specifically about a person would make other people stereotype them as a JAP? I mean, are you saying that any Jewish woman coming from a wealthy family is a JAP or are there other characteristics?
It's nice that all you in-community people have the terms' connotations so heartily internalized as to be having a debate over what celebrities can have the stereotype attributed to them, but this article really doesn't enlighten anyone who isn't ALREADY familiar with the term.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RemyK313 (talk • contribs) 07:00, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition is vague 

message: This article doesn't say anything of substance about the supposed stereotype. Needs re-writing. This article is worthless if it consists of discussions of ancillary items and says nothing about the actual stereotype.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.115.36 (talk) 23:18, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not defined 

message: Please divide this article into the consequences that the use of this horrible racial slur will create for white males who use it, and the convivial friendly sense that it entails when anyone else uses it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.204.253.227 (talk) 08:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ^ Sort of like how when certain women get pissed when men use the word "cunt", and yet they use it themselves, often while driving, directed at other women drivers? --98.232.178.38 (talk) 04:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only racist or inflammatory if used by white males 

message: While JAP can certainly be used in a racist way, this is not the point of
the expression. What really is underneath it is (seemingly global) phenomenon
of spoiled people, in particular women, growing up into brats, "princesses" and the like.
The main point is P, not JA. Further, in JA, I would actually rate the A as
more important: The secondary point is not that these women are Jewish,
but that they are American. (As opposed to Jewish-Polish/-Russian/-German/...
Effectively, perceived images of the "traditional" and "modern" Jewish women
are contrasted.)
It could conceivably be argued that the expression would be sexist; however,
if it is only applied on the women (or, for all I care, men) who behave like
princesses, even that is a misleading claim. As far as it may be pejorative: Pejorative
does not necessarily mean unfair. (In contrast, if the phrase is over-extended
and undue generalizations are made, then a case can be made against it.)
In all, the phrase should not be compared and contrasted to "nigger" or
"gook", but with "valley girl" and "blond".
88.77.140.124 (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of racism miss the point 

message: Dows WP have an article on the song? Folks outside of the U.S. probably only know about this term due to Zappa. Danceswithzerglings (talk) 11:55, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Zappa

message: So what about when Paris Hilton got into trouble for saying "we're JAPpy jews!"? Most west coast Americans born after 1985 had never even heard the term before that incident. --98.232.178.38 (talk) 04:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Paris Hilton

message: in joseph heller's book: "god knows" king david uses and explains this term, calling his first wife a jewish american princess.
i'd also remark, that the occurances in music albums (mentined above) i find difficult to accept as relevant because a song's lyrics can say only so much as in contrast to a book. 
80.98.79.37 (talk) 23:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  use in popular culture