Talk:Severance Hall

message: I removed this sentence because the building was not designed in the neo-classic style- it is based on some Florentine Plazzo [or something]
: i also had to remove the Public Auditorium because it as also designed in an Italian renaissance style, and was not a Walker and Weeks building, rather Walker [alone] was a consulting architect on the project. I'll try and find a couple more W&W neo-classical works to replace them with. Carptrash 07:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I went on a tour of SH today, and he was around for both groundbreaking and its first performance. Fixed. Spamguy 02:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: From the article: The new shell consisted of thick walls filled with sand up to a height of six or eight feet and a surface of curves faced with hardwood. There has to be a better way to say this. I haven't been in SH in decades so I can't speak to the visual look of the shell (which I guess is now gone anyway, eh?) but maybe someone who has can address this. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 12:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. This might be difficult to delineate without lapsing into POV. I can tell you from personal experience, the seats in the top section of the balcony are painfully tiny.THD3 12:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd sentence 

message: The picture of the Bogomolny-Kozerefski Grand Foyer was incorrectly referred to as the "front lobby" in the caption, so I changed it to its correct title. Also, a more attractive picture of the foyer would be nice. JEN9841 (talk) 06:27, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the Foyer 

message: While the old shell certainly contrasted with the interior of the rest of the auditorium, I disagree that it "clashed." This term is extremely subjective. I found that the old shell was elegant rather than "severe" and that it complimented the interior. In my opinion the new shell is kitschy and clashes with the old interior. It's both far too busy and deviates from the organization established by the design of the original auditorium. Even if, stylistically, it's more similar, it's not a perfect match. I would compare it to the difference between blue and red and two clashing tones of blue. But that's my opinion and it's subjective. It does not belong in the article any more than saying that the Szell Shell was severe and clashing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.58.3.247 (talk) 10:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Szell Shell 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved.
WP:NAMECHANGES applies.  The proposal does not provide any evidence, or even suggest, that RSs routinely use the new name.(non-admin closure)  Havelock Jones (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Severance Hall →  – Reliable sources are reporting on the new name (example) but give no time frame for the name change. Mapsax (talk) 20:56, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

text: As with the Cleveland Indians/Cleveland Guardians move, we should wait until the change has actually taken place.THD3 (talk) 11:11, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, I can't tell from that and other sources whether the name change is effective immediately. "Will" implies future of course but it also could be interpreted as "henceforth". Mapsax (talk) 23:39, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 September 2021 

message: The name change to Severance Music Center is a done deal, it's just about the timing. Here is a RS using the new name, still ambiguous as to whether the change has happened. Here is the official (primary source) press release, also ambiguous. "The name of the Orchestra's building will change from Severance Hall to Severance Music Center." I'd like to reopen the RM but I don't see any clear instructions nor a time window in the guidelines. Mapsax (talk) 23:18, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend that you wait 6 months, for two reasons.  Firstly, this period is likely to be accepted by the community as sufficiently long after the previous RM for the subject to be reopened.  Secondly, there will then have been sufficient time to see whether the name change is adopted by RSs generally.  We don't follow WP:OFFICIALNAME.  Many times, when a building officially changes its name, that name then becomes its common name, but sometimes the building continues to be referred to by its old name.  Our policy is not to move articles until it is clear the new name has wide acceptance. Havelock Jones (talk) 09:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not interpreting WP:OFFICIALNAME the same way. At minimum the new name should be identified in the History section, which I just did. Mapsax (talk) 02:08, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change 

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The result of the move request was: not moved   Calidum 17:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Severance Hall →  – [2nd request] Google searches using the old and new names shows RSs consistently using the new name; the old name mostly shows up in old webpages and mirrors to this article. Mapsax (talk) 22:49, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

text: *Conditions appeared to me to have changed since the closure of the first RM which is why I reintroduced it. But this seems to be WP:SNOWBALL now so I'm going to let this RM run its course without contest. Mapsax (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 15 November 2021 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – MaterialWorks 18:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Severance Hall →  – In 2021, The Cleveland Orchestra announced the renaming of "Severance Hall" to "Severance Music Center" (https://www.clevelandorchestra.com/press-resources/press-releases/2021-releases/2021-09-30-mandel-foundation-historic-grant/). All 2023 press releases so far indicate "Severance Music Center" (https://www.clevelandorchestra.com/press-resources/press-releases/2023-releases/), and the "about" sections no longer say "Severance Hall" (https://www.clevelandorchestra.com/discover/severance/). Other sites have also updated their listing to reflect the name change (https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/severance-music-center/Location?oid=1432086). As of last year, the local press have respected the name change (https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2022/09/cleveland-orchestras-severance-music-center-season-offers-a-treasure-trove-of-classical-music-offerings-for-northeast-ohio-2022-preview.html). Non-local press have switched, too (https://seenandheard-international.com/2023/02/klaus-makela-on-his-return-to-cleveland-excels-in-most-of-the-program/). Archivist1918 (talk) 17:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 April 2023