Talk:Kurdish language

message: Although a couple of you made edits leading up to the war regarding the deletion of a map before it became a war, I'm pinging all of you here just in case: , , , , see WP:Edit warring. Largoplazo (talk) 10:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah thanks. Well I explained my rationale in my edit summary before it became a war and have now added the original map. I hope this helps a bit. The coloring could be upgraded a bit, though but I do not know how this is done. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I don't see this as something of great caution. Almost all edits had distinct reasons, and there was no deadlock due to disagreement. Semsûrî restored the original version of the map, which my main concern addressed. So, it was solved. There may be other aspects of the map that may be discussed, though. Ayıntaplı (talk) 15:52, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: , What are the problems of the map that you think solved by revert to on older version? Serchia (talk) 18:22, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You really can't see the issue here? Changing the map without a reliable reference is Wikipedia:OR. Semsûrî (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If the current map (which is referenced) has issues, the map shouldn't be used either. Semsûrî (talk) 18:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map wars 

message: The Kurdish language map was updated recently and for some reason the colors were changed. We need to manually update the colors on the map legend on every page that contains the map 195.169.52.91 (talk) 13:19, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: A cursory glance at the map shows that it's functional, so a determination on the specific colors to use would be a consensus issue. Furthermore, edit requests require you state what needs to change specifically. In other words, you'd have to present all of the necessary template parameters to change the colors to the desired version. I would simply advise you bring up this topic on all of the appropriate article talk pages instead of using edit requests. —Sirdog (talk) 05:01, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 October 2022 

message: Hello, I suggest this edit: In the section of where this language is official please remove that is official only in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq, when is official in ALL Iraq. 186.3.232.209 (talk) 20:54, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, the infobox already says that the language is official in Iraq. What is the text that you want to change? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2022 

message: What does a dialect that has not been the mother tongue of any state throughout history, is not found in written sources, and has no speakers before the 20th century, on Wikipedia? Royroy23 (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What dialect are you talking about? Surely you aren't talking about Kurdish, which, according to the very first sentence of the History section, was written over 1000 years ago. And why do you think a language has to have been the "mother tongue of any state" (see Yiddish or Hmong language) or has to be written (see Bagvalal language or Gweno language) or has to have been spoken before the 20th century (see Lingala or Esperanto) for there to be an article about it? Largoplazo (talk) 15:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Just ignore the editor. They clearly have an anti-Kurdish POV per their edits on Wikipedia. Semsûrî (talk) 16:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  why persian dialect has a language page on wikipedia 

message: Adding the important fact that many kurdish languages are not mutually intelligible, which was missing from the lead. 
In the lead, replace:
With:
 (citing this source: https://books.google.com.eg/books?id=JZ6JAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA27) 156.208.108.3 (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Cherrell410 (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 July 2023 

message: * What I think should be changed (format using ):
First paragraph in the history tab should be deleted:
During his stay in Damascus, historian Ibn Wahshiyya came across two books on agriculture written in Kurdish, one on the culture of the vine and the palm tree, and the other on water and the means of finding it out in unknown ground. He translated both from Kurdish into Arabic in the early 9th century AD.
Instead we need to add:
The first proper ‘text’ in Kurdish is a short four-line Christian missionary prayer, written in Armenian characters and found inside a larger manuscript in Armenian from the fifteenth century (held at the Collection of Matanadaran in Yerevan, no. 7117, fol. 144b)
Beginning of second paragraph:
Among the earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book, the sacred book of Yazidi faith.
Should be changed as:
Possible earliest Kurdish religious texts is the Yazidi Black Book whose authenticity is questioned and believed to be  a fusion of authentic Yazidi traditions and beliefs with Western forgeries.
* Why it should be changed:
First paragraph is referring to a book "Ancient Alphabets and Hieroglyphic Characters Explained" by Ibn Wahshiyya. But it is falsely attributed to him as discussed in Later influence section in Ibn Wahshiyya. It is forgery or not a reliable source at best.
Yazidi Black book is also not a reliable source as discussed in the first paragraph of Yazidi Black Book. 
I am simply trying to have consistency among referred wikipedia pages. We have already consensus on the content and sources on those pages. We also have a section in talk page on this topic. No objection is raised for nearly two years.
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):
I am adding source for the first proper text in Kurdish below. It is in page 613.
Cambridge history of kurds. Isbn 978-1-108-47335-4 
84.29.122.234 (talk) 09:42, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Source cannot be checked, can you provide a link for that or just wait for the peer-review? -Lemonaka 21:08, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Verified the statement about the Christian prayer from an offline copy; adding it now. I'm not yet adding any content about the Yazidi Black Book as the citations in that article are from tertiary sources, which should be avoided in favor of secondary sources. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:38, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks for checking the source. I am asking to remove parts referring to Ibn Wahshiyya and Yazidi Black Book. They have been discussed more in detail in their wiki pages and falsified. I can provide more reliable sources that never mentions about these two. You can check https://iranicaonline.org/articles/kurdish-language-i quickly and see in the very first paragraph that Kurdish texts goes no earlier than 16th century. Reliable academic books states Kurdish poems from 15th and 16th centuries are the first Kurdish texts in history. 84.29.122.234 (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  Spintendo  05:01, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 July 2023 

message: In the map showing the kurdish language, by the colors it’s written the type of kurdish languages but not souther kurdish, its just written kurmanji as pink, and sorani as red, while southern kurdish is brown but it didn’t say that under the map 2001:8F8:1B27:415B:D180:CAA4:544C:BB4F (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Souther kurdish is as important as other dialects  

message: Kurdish speaker are more than this couse many people are starting to learn the language plus some kurds now have rights to learn their language especialy northren kurdistan people just started to have more edaction about it couse back on the day kurdis was banned and also it was dangrous to many to speak it so please fix this Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 00:48, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't said why you think the numbers shown don't include those people. You also haven't identified for us, if the numbers shown don't include those people, where we can find numbers that do include those people. Largoplazo (talk) 03:04, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh i mean this one is from 2020 and today is 2024 it make sense that there are more people learning kurdish plus more than 20 millions kurds live in turkey how native speakers is 25 when also in iraq kurds are 7 millions these two countries must have atleast 27 million speakers and kurds are native two those two countries plus iran and syria and there are some mistakes its not called kurdish languages but dialects and you forget some more like luri bakhtiyari hawrami laki and kalhuri there are more but i forget if i got more information i may tell more dialects couse oh boy we have too many dialects Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 10:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kurdish speakers 

message: Why are these sections empty? Most language articles have a short summary of their language's phonology, grammar and writing system, but for some reason in the Kurdish Languages article it's completely empty? Silveratractic (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not empty, they redirect to their own Wiki pages. There is a blue text under each title.  Krqftan (talk) 07:55, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be a summary of the phonlogy, grammar and writing system under each section. Although the redirects are useful, it's not meant to replace all the text in each respective sections. Silveratractic (talk) 20:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phonology, Grammar and Writing system sections are empty? 

message: You forget georgia sweden and  thee maby more recognise it as a minority language Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 19:46, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I can find. Are you able to provide any sources? Krqftan (talk) 07:53, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: https://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/090120241 is this one enough cause if not I will find another one Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  More countries recognise kurdish language 

message: This is not related to the language but, what is name of the font of Sorani letters? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdish_Language.svg
-Luke 70.162.148.16 (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure, but I think the font is "Nizar Nastaliq Kurdish", which is nastaliq. It is better to ask the png version uploader directly. ⇒ AramTalk 14:57, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font? 

message: add references:
Sheyholislami, Jaffer, Hassanpour, Amir, and Skutnabb-Kangas, Tove. 2012. The Kurdish Linguistic Landscape:
Vitality, Linguicide and Resistance. Special issue of International Journal of the Sociology of Language, 2917(2012). Jaffersh (talk) 00:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Its unclear where in the text you want these reference to be added. Jamedeus (talk) 00:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 March 2024 

message: I’m not here to disturb the page or add any, I’m just curious as to why the Kurdish dialects are considered not intelligible? From my understanding and experience, I understand a Kurmanji, Hewrami, Laki and Zazaki way more than Persian, which to me personally sounds like gibberish and not close to Kurdish at all (This was my experience with Shirazi and Gilan Persian)
Other than my rant above, I just want to know why this is included because it is still debated whether Kurdish dialects are dialects or languages (most people who argue the latter usually have an anti-kurdish POV based on experience) Volkish Kurden (talk) 23:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If reliable sources say they're not mutually intelligible, Wikipedia should say they're not mutually intelligible. FunLater (talk) 19:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The claim that Kurdish is not mutually intelligible? 

message: The claim that
is a bit misleading since the two main dialects of Kurdish, Sorani and Kurmanji, are often considered to be mutually intelligible, or at least partially mutually intelligible
Still, the level of mutual intelligibility among Kurdish dialects is a matter of dispute, so I think it's best to remain neutral here. Therefore, I would suggest making these changes or something similar.
 Akam Nawzad (talk) 01:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: FunLater (talk) 09:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024