Talk:Excel Saga/Archive 1

message: Does Hyatt actually die? I kind of got the impression that she just fainted a lot. -- Darac 18:08, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. In Episode 5, Excel wonders about Hyatt's habit of dying. -- Darac 08:27, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections 

message: Does anyone know if the organization's name is ACROSS (i.e. an acronym of something) or simply Across (the word)? If it's an acronym, an ideas on what it stands for? --Darac Marjal 09:30, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't an acronym, but it is properly ACROSS. According to the footnotes in Viz's english release of Excel Saga Volume 1 (manga), it is a pun on a organization called ACROS (if memory serves). MardukZero 03:38, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. From TFA: ACROSS itself is named after the ACROS (Asian CrossRoads Over the Sea) Jongpil Yun 07:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACROSS vs Across 

message: In the episode guide, it says that Episode 22 is of the same vein as Gundam. Admittedly, I haven't seen Gundam, but to me Episode 22 seems extremely inspired by Captain Harlock. Can someone who has seen Gundam comment on this?
:I see that the page notes it is in the vein of Gundam and  Leiji Matsumoto (at least now, it does). While the Matsumoto parodies were more obvious and common, there were numerous Gundam references and parodies as well (such as the Puuchu Gundam Excel pilots and a handful of character/event references). Also, it's the same general tone. MardukZero 03:38, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell (I haven't seen any of these), they just grabbed a buncha different references and clummed 'em together with Excel and Hyatt running around beneath it. Kinda like Spaceballs, or just about anything by Mel Brooks for that matter, except more ... direct. --Yar Kramer 05:28, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: But don't forget the masks! --maru   (talk)  contribs 19:01, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Not a major issue, but Matsumoto Leiji did not create the Yamato: the project was already well underway before he joined it.  He was unquestionably a heavy influence on what eventually came out, but it was not entirely his original creation. Elric of Grans 21:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gundam? 

message: Now I'm not sure, but last time I checked Il Palazzo was spelled as Ilpalazzo in the DVD subtitles. Am I just imagining things, or should we be correcting something?
:I dunno... compared to Hyatt, he's merely Slightly-Under-The-Weather Palazzo. ;) --Yar Kramer 05:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ilpalazzo vs.  Il Palazzo 

message: 12.76.171.15, why are you removing Gojou Shioji from the list of characters? I think he's significant enough to warrant mention. Certainly a more significant character than Cosette, whom I note you did not remove. At least put comments on your edits as to why. --Yar Kramer 02:50, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They removed it from the other characters list as it was already included in more detail further up. I have removed it again but included a comment this time. Garglebutt / (talk) 05:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Shioji 

message: I think that the phrase "This was the first episode that actually upset audiences." at the end of the description of episode 22 is a little odd, is there some kind of refrence to a protest or pulling from air in japan or some other kind of outrage to back this up? Certainally there may be issues of controvertial content or parody to the point of plaugarism, but this could easily be said of many other episodes before this point. I'm just getting the feeling really that these "audiences" may just refer to the poster themselves, ie. non neutral point of view, but I didn't want to delete it incase it was something I wasn't aware of. - Mancubus
: ... Y'know, now that you mention it, I'm wondering that, too. It certainly doesn't say how or why they were upset. --Yar Kramer 15:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upset Audience 

message: In addition to kicking the episode guide to its own page, I'd like to consign some of the minor characters to a page dedicated to them: consider that if Cossette Sara and Tetsuko are included on the main Excel Saga entry, then certainly Red Beard, Zed, Antonio, and Key should be as well. These characters do not need to be on the main page, but they deserve mention. Those last two could conceivably go on the main page, since Antonio is based on one of Rikudo-sensei's assistants, and Key represents a major plot development. In order to eliminate confusion, I'd like to propose the following rules for characters' inclusion on the main Excel Saga page:
:# They must represent major plot or sub-plot elements or developments, and
:# They must have appeared in at least three episodes.
The first eliminates characters like Dr. Iwata and Pad, while the second eliminates one-off characters like Key, the Puchuu overlord, and Nabeshin's pals. Essentially, this is a way to keep the main page reserved for the prinicpals of the ACROSS-Daitenzin and Nabeshin-Ano Hito-Pedro stories.
Yes, there is an obvious bias towards the anime in the second rule, but the first criterion I think rises in importance - Dr. Iwata and Nurse Fukuya appear more often in the manga, but they're still relatively unimportant. It's a little subjective, but better than nothing. --Monocrat 15:36, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Characters Page 

message: ...be included in the category :Category:Absurdist_fiction?  If so, could you please add?  Certain elements of Excel Saga remind me of FLCL by the way, especially the parodies of Lupin III in both series. --Geopgeop 08:03, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say if Terry Pratchett makes the list (his works are mostly parodies of other fantasy books), then Excel Saga probably qualifies. However, Excel Saga is pretty non-notable in that the number of people who have seen Excel Saga compared to the number of people who've read Pratchett or Douglas Adams, or even seen FLCL, is pretty small. Jongpil Yun 07:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Okay, in the English-speaking world, I can understand Pratchett and Adams, but, uh, where are the numbers comparing Excel Saga and FLCL? --Yar Kramer 17:49, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Excel Saga bizarre enough to... 

message: "He is a more important character in the manga than the anime."
Which episode is Dr Iwata actually in Excel Saga? Genjix
:I need to rewatch it for the episode number, but when Excel and Hyatt are working on Christmass, and Hyatt dies and it taken to hospital, the doctor who declares her dead is Dr Iwata.  He makes another appearance or two later on, but that is all.  He does appear more often in the manga.Elric of Grans 01:23, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Iwata in Excel Saga Anime 

message: As I continue to read the manga as it is released in the US, it seems that the plots of the anime and manga are becoming further and further separated, I am wondering how people would feel about having separate plot sections or maybe a full separation into Excel Saga (Anime) and Excel Saga (Manga); we could use the character separations previously suggested if so.  I am not skilled enough to do so myself, and at any rate I hope there is some consensus first.  In the meantime, I will add info from the manga where applicable.
--Idleeccentric
: I don't think a full separation is really needed, at least not at the moment. However, I think your concern is valid. It could, methinks, be mostly addressed by moving the Characters section to its own page (as I note below). But the Plot section would require some work to try not just to disentangle the two, but to speak more about the manga. A formal separation in the Plot section might be useful, but I fear they would be too small. --Monocrat 20:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga/Anime Separation? 

message: Since in the anime it is a plot point does anyone know who voices pederos wife and IZ chan in the japanese and english versions? Ive searched up and down but cant find it.--82.42.191.189 13:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Will 

message: My ultimate objective is to make Excel worthy of being a featured article, but it's not quite there yet. To that end, I propose the following:
# That the "Characters" section be moved to its own page, leaving brief synopses for Excel, Hyatt, Elgala, Ilpalazzo, Menchi, Kabapu, and Nabeshin;
# That the "Overview" section be reogranized and moved into the article's lead;
# That the TV series infobox be replaed by an animanga infobox, and 
# That the prose be cleaned up a bit.
These are fairly major changes, and the article has been stable for a while, so I think seeking consensus is the way to go.--Monocrat 20:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. 2 done. No. 4 partly done. Understanding that it goes against Wikipedia preferences, I deleted many of the shows that the introduction previously mentioned as being lampooned in the anime. There were just too many, and not all of great importance to the plot. --Monocrat 17:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Proposed Changes 

message: Where do we learn that Pedro's family name is "Dominigo"? The Japanese Wikipedia for Excel Saga simply lists him as ペドロ.
:I have found he's mentioned by surname in his review episode.--Monocrat 05:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pedro's surname 

message: Excel Saga is now a Good Article, congratulations. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes congrats. Looks much better than the other day too I might add.--SeizureDog 23:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA 

message: *which aired on TV Tokyo at 1:45 a.m.: Needs a time zone.
*Replace use of hyphens, "-", with true dashes,"—", where appropriate.
I told you they were minor. Well, it's going through the FA process so I'm allowed to be anal ;) --SeizureDog 03:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Minor changes are always welcome. The ACROSS–Daitenzin instance was the only one I thought really warranted a dash, but let me know if you have other thoughts. I changed hyphens in the External Links to colons, just to cut the knot of which dash to use.--Monocrat 04:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor notes 

message: Here are the results of a citation spot check on this article.
#Footnote 4 (a): "The English-language reception of Excel Saga, the anime, was generally positive, likening the humor in nature and quality to the works of Tex Avery and Monty Python."
#*Checks out.  From site: "Featuring an engaging cast of oddball characters in an anything-goes action/adventure/comedy/sci-fi/romance/tragedy/horror tale, Excel Saga will be treasured by anime fans who also appreciate Monty Python, National Lampoon, and Tex Avery. Much like their works, Excel Saga is the sort of thing you will be showing to your friends repeatedly at get-togethers for years to come."
#Footnote 21: "The first fourteen volumes of the manga have been translated into English and published in North America by VIZ Media, who have announced a December 2006 release for the translation of the fifteenth volume."
*Checks out.  From site: "Release date: 2006-12-12"  
#Footnote 24: "A contrary opinion is expressed by Pearce from DVD Verdict, who says the series is "occasionally clever and funny," but that "much of it is gratingly obnoxious.""
#*Checks out.  Both quotations appear on site.
#Footnote 5 (e): "Regarding the English vocal track, reviewers note that Calvello and Wolcott were each able to capture Mitsuishi's Excel."
#*Checks out. "From site: Speaking of the voices, this volume marks Larissa Wolcott's debut as the English dubbed voice of Excel. Jessica Calvello, Excel's original American voice, threw herself so wholeheartedly into recreating Mitsuishi's screechy chatter that she promptly damaged her vocal chords and had to retire mid-production. Wolcott is as good a replacement as can be, but somehow manages to makes the character even more grating than she already was. There's something of Project A-ko's C-ko in this new Excel. Still, the voice is supposed to be annoying, and Wolcott and the other new cast members are worthy additions to an already stellar ensemble."
My major concern with this is the heavy reliance on citing episodes of the show.  It appears that this has been fairly heavily documented and reviewed; could secondary sources be found for the statements cited to episodes? --RobthTalk 15:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, most of the content attributed to the show itself (i.e. the plot) needn't be cited in the first place, at least not with footnotes. -- grm_wnr Esc 15:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

text: It's been several days since any material actually cited or even quoted the primary sources. All references to them were directed to the commentary/notes provided by ADV and VIZ. I had a note to this effect at the beginning of the references section, but people seem not to have seen it. I have clarified this matter by making the attributions in the citations themselves. And how is "December 2006" misleading? The full date is fairly unimportant in this article, but is given in List of Excel Saga media.--Monocrat 17:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, my fault about the December thing; when I was writing this up I originally had a comment about how I expected to find a note explaining the translation of the other fifteen there; then I thought better of it and realized that there wasn't any way to make it clearer what the footnote was referring to without altering the text, so I pulled the comment, but left that bit.  And I did indeed miss the disclaimer at the top of the notes; thanks for clarifying that. --RobthTalk 18:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Spot Check 

message: I have a couple of layout suggestions which I haven't made myself as I think they may be unimportant in getting the article to FA status. The Other characters and Going too far sections wrap at higher resolutions against the pictures. Perhaps  could be used. Also should the Excel Saga template be in the external links section? They are internal links and could be moved higher in the article, perhaps just before external links. --Squilibob 03:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand your concern about wrapping, and I thought nav-templates went at the bottom of the article. But please make any changes you think would improve the article. :) --Monocrat 04:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout suggestions. 

message: Well done on the featured article folks! Has anyone thought of nominating it for the front page here? - Phorque 17:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! It's something I hope to do. Right now, work is sucking up more time than it has lately.--Monocrat 02:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This is one of the LAST topics I had expected to see featured on the front page. Jesin 21:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article! 

message: On the subject of the Excel Saga manga, this entire article does not mention the Hentai version of Excel Saga which was created by Koshi Rikdo and his crew.  Just thought it was surprising that it was not mentioned.  Then again, perhaps for the best.--NWalterstorf 22:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's indirectly addressed in footnote four. Those would be the doujinishi he did, right? Please add a bit if not, preferably to the footnote, but I don't think it warrants too much discussion.--Monocrat 01:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct.  It's part of the doujinshi he drew before he gained mainline popularity with what became the Excel Saga we've seen.  I'm going to add a bit in the footnotes.  The doujinshi was titled Excel Saga, and featured most all characters from the Excel Saga universe in... sexual situations.  I won't go into detail about it for some of the younger viewers, and like you said, it doesn't warrant too much discussion.  If you wish, you can feel free to look it over and edit any of the footnotes.  I'll add it in a few minutes from my timestamp.--NWalterstorf 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excel Saga alternate manga 

message: If someone desires to have the following material included in the article, please find a credible citation for it. As of now, it runs afoul of WP:WTA and WP:CITE. I have been very careful to have every claim and comparison in "Reception" (and there are plenty now) backed with a citation. As long as it uses the weasly language and lacks a citation, I will continue to remove this bit of text: "Some fans have also compared the show's bizarre, satirical and frequently over-the-top sense of humor to that of South Park."--Monocrat 05:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited, weasly ''South Park'' comparison 

message: Yesterday i made a change to this page, i corrected the name of the character from Ilpalazzo to Il Palazzo, I thought that as i was correcting an error it was unnecessary to talk here before... now someone doesn't agree and think that the matter has to be discussed before: so I'm asking if someone thinks that the character is named Ilpalazzo, and doesn't agree to correct the name in the page...--Tin6789 14:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tin, I understand your perspective on the transliteration, but I have to disagree. I'm aware of the original name of the hotel, and the way the name is "properly" romanized. VIZ, the English-language manga publisher even uses "Il Palazzo." But ADV uses "Ilpalazzo," so we can't simply defer to the holder of the English-language rights, as they disagrree. In these cases, anime and manga wikiproject seems to prefer that the most commonly used form be employed. The anime is far more widely known among anglophones (in the United States at least), and I personally prefer the ADV transliterations, so I've stuck with "Ilpalazzo" in the three main articles. The reason I haven't changed the article Il Palazzo is because I deferred to the previous editor who had used that transliteration. In fact I'm planning to convert all of the independent character articles to redirects to Characters of Excel Saga, so that won't be an issue.--Monocrat 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not a prospective on the translitteration.... Ilpalazzo means nothing, Il Palazzo means "The Palace", people at ADV probably didn't know italian, and didn't understand the meaning of the name before translitterating it... In Jap the words "Il" "Palazzo" are translitterated in ideograms, when we come back to the latin alphabet it's a nonsense changing it to Ilpalazzo... It reminds me a thing happened here in italy, someone called a shop "Top One" but wrote it "Topone" that in italian means "big rat"...--Tin6789 18:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: About the name of the hotel i have made a screenshot fou you Hotel in Fukuoka--Tin6789 18:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that the link doesn't work. I get redirected to Altavista's main page. Anyway, ADV was aware of the hotel but chose to transliterate it differently. I'm unsure, but I think the ADV video-commentary also gives the Italian meaning. In any case, adoption of "Il Palazzo" would necessitate a complete switch to the transliteration and translations adopted by VIZ, which I think would harm the article and flout existing guidelines. Since we're dealing with a fictional work in another language, I don't think matters are as simple as right-and-wrong, especially since we're talking about a codename that still is very evocative of the hotel's name. Finally, "Ilpalazzo" is better known that "Il Palazzo," so I think we should defer to it. If you want to pursue the matter, I'd be happy to discuss this with the broader anime wikiproject.--Monocrat 19:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter... As you like it--Tin6789 20:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Il Palazzo]] 

message: Let's lock this page due to the frequent vandalism shall we. Seppukukaishaku 05:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, articles on the Main Page are not semi-protected.  ShadowHalo 07:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can be actually. See Wikipedia:Main Page featured article protection. If you disagree with, or wish to see the guideline amended, please note your opinion here. DrKiernan 11:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They can be but, in practice, rarely are.  ShadowHalo 15:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Special applause for getting this on the front page. I've been waiting for this day for a LOOONG, LONG time. (It's about time Wikiproject Anime and Manga gets some recognition.) Although the picture there is kind of odd... Brutannica 19:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations! 

message: One possible area that (as far as I can tell) doesn't seem to be covered anywhere is a list of references that are made in the Excel Saga anime series.  What prompted this was I was just watching the first disk (ep 1-5) after having watched Space Battleship Yamato seasons one and two.  And I noticed that the Puchuu's ship has  a bow that is very simmilar to that of the Yamato as well as the 3rd bridge underneath.  That and the ending of the dream sequence where Excel apears to be hit by the White Comet from the second season of Yamato.  (The Space Battleship Yamato has a cultural influences page that points out that one of the later episodes of Excel Saga is parodying Space Battleship Yamato but doesn't mention episode two of Excel Saga).  Figured I'd share the idea and see if anyone else had noticed the similarities or if it was just because I had just finished watching yamato and was thusly biased towards it.Dr Denim 18:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, episode 21 is pretty blatant in referencing Yamato in both its plot and designs, whereas the the referencing in episode 2 seems to me mostly cosmetic. Anyway, I'm not sure I favor such an approach: Beyond the technical concerns of notability and original-research (which are superable due to the ADV vid-notes in the original DVD release and the Viz "Oubliette," I'm not sure that it's worthwhile: there's a lot that we could list, but how much value is there to be had from such a list?--Monocrat 16:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of references? 

message: This article has been RhynChecked for Deadlinks and found to be clear! :D  Rhynri 02:16, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RhynCheck Clear

message: The International versions section violates very gravely the policy of the WP:MOS-AM in that non-English/non-Japanese versions are not allowed to be spoken of in the English Wikipedia. I want badly to destroy that information, but because it's so big, I want to consult with all of you as you can decide what to do in this case.--Twicemost (talk) 02:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue about non-English/non-Japanese info is being discussed here. Kazu-kun (talk) 03:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The section can hold its place. The only one who was wrong was me. --Twicemost (talk) 23:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insanity 

message: Excel Saga or Heppoko jikken animation Excel Saga? (thats how it appears in iMDB) Jim88Argentina (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Excel Saga" is the recognized English trade name for both the manga and the anime, which is what should be used according to the Manual of Style. Also, "Heppoko jikken animation" (Quack Experimental Animation) is specific to the anime, so shouldn't be used as the title of an article which also deals with the manga. Omnisentry (talk) 02:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I get it--Jim88Argentina (talk) 03:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should be the name of the article? 

message: I think this article has a problem by introducing Excel Saga as a manga yet exhausting so much time talking about its anime version. These two mediums really need separate pages because, in truth, by about volume eight of the manga and onward the two have very little in common. In the manga we start to see a more serious and complex plot forming (not to mention we learn a lot more about the characters) that far outgrows the frankly absurd antics that dominated the anime from front to back. Meshing the two together on one page is misleading especially when so much more text seems to be focused on the anime than otherwise. I would work on this page myself but have no Wiki experience whatsoever, therefore all I can do is leave a comment.
Requesting a split of manga/anime Excel Saga. Over and out. 4.161.115.5 (talk) 19:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of all the issues with the article, talking about the anime more isn't the biggest issue. For a start, it's simply what most people will be familiar with, and theres much more information out there. A split to seperate anime and manga articles won't be happening, it's highly frowned on, and frankly unnecessary. Dandy Sephy (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would do a little work towards that end at some point, except that the manga isn't available to me whereas the anime is (which is a complete 180 from the usual state of affairs for me =P ). 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the biggest improvements would be gained through MOS-AM and some clearing out of dead wood (such as dodgy sources). I may have the bulk of the manga incoming soon, but im spreading myself over too many projects as it is - I've got the rest of Love Hina i'm missing on the way, so I'll be getting back to work on that too. Dandy Sephy (talk) 18:34, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga/Anime 

message: Seeing the article was rewritten I suggest archiving all of the old info reguarding the old version of the article and what needed to be done. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:26, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that all the old stuff that didn't survive was nonsense, thats why I cut it. Dandy Sephy (talk) 21:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive