Talk:List of Vietnamese Americans

message: I have made the following proposal regarding the criteria for inclusion for these lists.  If this is something that you have comments or ideas about, please provide feedback.  Thanks.  Wikibofh 9 July 2005 19:16 (UTC)
There are no sources on this page, therefore everyone should be removed from the list and not put back on until a source is provided. 75.3.4.54 20:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal for list inclusion

message: Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:34, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity lists discussion

message: I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Vietnamese" or "Vietnamese American" is on the list. Here are the few people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a source that fits that please restore the names:
*Tran Huu Dung - professor of economics and managing editor of Arts & Letters Daily
*Jim Parque - MLB baseball player
*Stephanie Trong - Jane Magazine executive editor
*Da Nhat Yen - singer
Mad Jack O'Lantern 04:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: i removed some names with red links. don't think the people are really noteworthy if nobody has bothered to make an article about them Tridungvo 06:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks 102.90.57.147 (talk) 03:30, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: names with red links

message: Need help in updating and expanding this criteria.Bnguyen (talk) 04:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How are these people notable? DHN (talk) 04:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't see what's notable about them.  Take away the "Vietnamese" and what do you have? Or are you going to list "first Vietnamese American cell phone user", "first Vietnamese person born in the US", "first Vietnamese American teacher", "first Vietnamese American lawyer", "first Vietnamese American computer user", etc. DHN (talk) 05:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Generally, for military subject, someone is considered notable automatically if they are a flag officer, i.e. O-7 or higher in the U.S., or awarded the nation's first level medal, in the U.S. that would be the medal of honor.  Depending on coverage others who are awarded lower level medals such as the Silver Star, or the Navy/Distinguished Service/Air Force Cross, may also be considered notable depending on the coverage.  Otherwise, an individual would have to be notable given the general WP:BIO guidelines. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vietnamese-Americans in the Military

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message: I really don't think it's a good idea to include those who are not fully Vietnamese or those who are Vietnamese but with non-Vietnamese. 
These people don't represent Vietnamese. 
I find these people to be disturbing. I am willing to fight for my opinion to the very end, because I believe what I am doing is right. For now, I am very inclined to revert this article to my previous edits if that's okay. If you have any issues, talk to me in this section. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please review WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:NPOV. You are removing plenty of well-referenced material. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:07, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That may be so, but well referenced material from the perspective of someone that pushes for white men-Asian women and the erasure of Asian men? In fact, my previous edits show much greater restraint, nuance and delivers what the Vietnamese truly are, rather then some sort of mixed hodge-podge of nothingness. In fact, it would make more sense to have an article, Vietnamese-American, then a separate one, mixed race individuals. For my concerns, refer to the following: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Anglo-American_focus and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_balance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:19, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

text:  If you don't reply soon, I very well may be very inclined to revert the article to my edits. Please do not mistake it for vandalism or edit war.  118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like you are attributing some bizarre racist motives to every author of every source that you removed. That's absurd. If you want to counter this perceived systematic bias, you should be creating articles for and adding links to Vietnamese Americans who fit your strangely narrow definition of what it is to be Vietnamese. The answer to countering systematic bias is not removing people from the list who are of verifiable Vietnamese ancestry. It would not be vandalism, but it would definitely be disruptive editing and edit warring. IronGargoyle (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mixed race individuals are not the same as being Vietnamese, obviously. You must be taking offense to my actions, but that is the truth. There is a reason why mixed raced people are often not accepted as much as communities that don't include mixed race people to their definition of identity. If you're willing to include people who are mixed race, as well as people who are with someone not of their race and culture, then that is filed under "multicultural relationship", not Vietnamese. 118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

text:  In fact, I think you are just looking for an excuse to "prevent vandalism" from someone who intends on not doing any of that at all. As such, these individuals and people don't belong here on this page if they don't demonstrate a commitment to Vietnamese culture - that is, a Vietnamese name or Vietnamese surname, and being with someone Vietnamese. Otherwise, they are just mixed-race.118.208.233.159 (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who to include or who not to include