Talk:Byron Katie

message: I am going to revert to the last edit by NotElizabeth. While I honor that Stephens knows this topic 100 times better then I do, the way the article reads now, it reads too much like an advertisement or promotion of the topic. Wikipedia is really big on WP:NPOV, writing things from a netural point of view. 
I think some of your changes are good however too many feel problematic, so I am going to undo them all and insert some of the ones that I think fit in with wikipedia, and then we can work on the others. Your work will not be lost, every edit you made is contained here []
So I have reinserted Stephen's version of the bio and removed some language that I think is sensational and tried to make it more neutral and descriptive.Sethie 07:14, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting

message: Could there be some kind of criticism section, it would help keep the article from being an advert?   I'll try and find some reliable sources for the criticisms that are made of The Work etc. (to the person who was trying to think who was the other teacher who taught something called The Work, it was Gurdjieff)Merkinsmum 00:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: criticism

message: I have attempted to NPOV/wikify, hope you all like it.  My concerns were that not everyone will believe it is an enlightenment experience that she had.  Some people don't even believe such things exist.  Others might gather something from the fact of her being in a mental health treatment facility at the time.  So I tried to make the article neutral about whether what she experienced was 'enlightenment' or some other such word, or not.Merkinsmum 00:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV/Wikify

message: (everyone calls her "Katie") is not verifiable (WP:V) Elyada (talk) 20:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed it to (or "Katie" as she is called) Solbris (talk) 11:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Verifiability

message: I am not sure if it is correct to use her full name in the heading and her "author name" as other names. A 'full name' entity could solve the problem, but I did not manage to fix that. Solbris (talk) 09:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name in inforbox 

message: I removed a fair amount (almost the entire thing) from this article. Nothing was verifiable and clearly pro-'whoever this woman is'. You can't just write whatever you want here. I randomly stumbled upon this article and immediately recognized it for shameless self-plugging. Please don't restore any of my edits without just cause.Montedison (talk) 08:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: I just removed a lot

message: Okay, I ran across this article yesterday and it was making me crazy that it reads like a p.r. piece for BK. Surely there must be some dissenters. I've written up a brief summary of some concerns I found voiced on the web and attached a bunch of links. Most of them are from bloggers, but then again, so is all BK's stuff. Seems like there was a lot of discussion on the old site run by Rick Ross (himself a piece of work), but that was all lost when he changed his domain name. 11 Arlington (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Added criticism

message: User Gmotyka, either Byron Katie or an associate, removed criticism. Restored criticism to eliminate biased edits.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoiledMango (talk • contribs) 12:38, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undid revisions by Gmotyka (Byron Katie or associate) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I read this article for the first time and was suspicious that no critical perspectives were included or acknowledged. Reading through the Talk page and looking at the history, it appears that user Gmotyka (whose only edits in 5 years have been the pages for Byron Katie and her husband, Stephen Mitchell) has once again deleted the critical paragraphs and references without explanation. I decided to restore the second deleted paragraph, along with its section heading, Criticism, because it is informative and mostly well-referenced. The first paragraph (also deleted by Gmotyka around the same time), while interesting, is not referenced, and unless a reference exists and can be provided, would appear to violate Wikipedia's policy of no original research, WP:NOR. Therefore I chose not to restore that paragraph. The first sentence of the paragraph I did restore includes two "citation needed" notes, but I don't believe those are grounds for removing the whole paragraph. If I had more time I imagine it would not be hard to find citations for these claims, especially as they relate closely to the immediately following claims for which 9 references are given. Macam14 (talk) 01:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restored one of two critical paragraphs deleted by Gmotyka 

message: An old version of this page includes the following parenthetical sentence, after the first mention of "The Work":
:(Her method is distinct from "The Work" of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky.)
I am tempted to restore this, as some readers (including myself and, it seems, a few others who have posted on this Talk page) may have heard of "The Work" in other contexts, for example, Gurdjieff, and might appreciate the clarification. Any opinions? Macam14 (talk) 02:13, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation of "The Work"? 

message: Please replace:
:Katie's philosophy, as described in her book Loving What Is, is that often when people think they are being rational, their own thinking is often interfering. This, she says, puts people into painful positions the lead to suffering, as she recognized to be the case with herself. Through self-questioning, she describes how a different, less-known capacity of the mind can reduce this suffering.[6]
with:
:Often when people think they are being rational, as Katie says in her book Loving What Is, they are being controlled by their own thinking. That trait explains how people get themselves into the painful positions that she recognized in her own suffering. The self-questioning she discovered uses a different, less-known capacity of the mind to [find a way out of its self-made trap] or: to end its own suffering. [6]
Gmotyka (talk) 20:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason I changed your verbiage is that the text was written as if it were a statement of fact, when it's from a book that Katie wrote herself, and as such is not a reliable source per WP:RS.  That has to be made clear in the text or it's not encyclopedic. I thought my revision accurately conveys that point. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:46, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with TimTempleton. Much of the editing over the past several months has been controversial but taken place with no discussion, except in the edit summaries. I appreciate that Gmotyka has now brought an edit here as a proposal, so others with various points of view can discuss what kinds of edits are more and less appropriate for Wikipedia, and why. Macam14 (talk) 21:29, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I will also agree with Tim here, as changing the phrasing will not be suitable in this case, and make some statements clearly attributed to a source in the current text seem like facts. With 3 editors now against the request, I think that it's pretty clear that there is no consensus for the change. Edit request declined. Regards, VB00 (talk) 12:09, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some proposed changes 

message: Hello dear Editors. 
Below is the Philosophy section with proposed revisions marked with Gmotyka (talk) before the paragraph.
Also, please change "Philosophy" heading to "Teachings."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gmotyka (talk • contribs) 23:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request revisions to the Philosophy section. 

message: Byron Katie is involved in the crew of that film. 58.108.122.0 (talk) 03:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Don't Worry Darling]]