Talk:Margaret Hodge

message: I added some "citation needed" tags for the following reasons. Birthplace given as Cairo in text and Alexandria in box. The honorific "Right Honourable" implies Hodge is a Privy Councillor, but I couldn't find proof of Hodge's appointment when I searched for a date nor did government sites refer to it or use the "Rt Hon" prefix. Folks at 137 18:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs checking

message: I have removed the following text, 
, the opposition and, it is rumoured, a number of her parliamentary colleagues.
Especially because it seems to refer to a rumour - please do restore it if sources are found and it is not a rumour! 
I've also removed a chunk of irrelevant information about the BNP and pro-BNP pov pushing, including this delightful speculation:
Whilst this was far short of the Labour party total, it was clear from their performance that the BNP could have won many more seats had they stood a full slate of candidates.
I'll go down see what else I can find. Hope all is well, Hands of gorse, heart of steel (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed uncited information 

message: Posts to the wrong article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.150.238 (talk) 20:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 20 

message: The article formerly (until I removed it just now) claimed that the subject's wealth was in the "multiple hundreds of millions of pounds", citing a Sunday Times article. This turns out to be a gossip column entry from the Prufrock column, and refers only to an inheritance which the author thinks will be about £2m. Sam Blacketer (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is claimed the company she has shares in that only pays 0.01% tax. Margaret Hodge is a campaigner against tax avoidance http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9668396/Margaret-Hodges-family-company-pays-just-0.01pc-tax-on-2.1bn-of-business-generated-in-the-UK.html (Coachtripfan (talk) 12:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal wealth 

message: Reference to her husband's knighthood, but not to him in person. Who is he?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.157.135 (talk) 12:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reading the article, I found that it is Henry Hodge. Any help?--Old Moonraker (talk) 14:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Husband? 

message: The last sentence quoted here is poorly phrased:  'In 2003, following Hodge's appointment as Minister for Children, Panton went public with his allegation that he was abused in Islington Council care and had repeatedly raised this issue with no effect. He accused Hodge of being ultimately responsible for the abuse that he suffered. Davies also went public with the issues that she had raised concerns about while working for the council.'. Can someone please improve this, particularly '... concerns about while ...' ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.57.245 (talk) 09:32, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor phrasing 

message: PC is not usually appended to the names of commoners because their status as a Privy Counsellor is implied by the "The Right Honourable". Do we have a citation for this usage for Margaret Hodge? 144.32.240.15 (talk) 17:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC post nominals 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:39, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] 

message: An entry I made was reverted by Philip Cross. The revert may be viewed here. My entry went as follows:
:On 01 May 2015 Hodge was accused of "blatant hypocrisy" by Stephen Pollard in the Daily Express, citing her connection to the Liechtenstein disclosure facility which "allowed Mrs Hodge's shares to be transferred to the UK on specially favourable terms". In a pull quote Pollard stated that "Her behaviour drags the entire political system into disrepute, and she would now be well advised to withdraw from public life." The article ended with "Truly, you have to wipe your eyes in disbelief at the sheer blatancy of her hypocrisy. It is as if Mrs Hodge is so suffused with her own righteousness that she thinks she is somehow above the standards she would impose on mere mortals."
I raised the point with Philip on his talk page but he seems quite intransigent. I wander whether anyone else feels the same as he does, or whether there might be a consensus in favour of including the Pollard entry? Jodosma (talk) 22:17, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Philip Cross' view reflects established Wikipedia policy for biographies which is that tabloid newspapers are not considered appropriate sources. The story itself was also covered by the FT  so might warrant a line or two. [edit: and indeed is already covered in the existing article text] Dtellett (talk) 13:44, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephen Pollard comments 

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message: Is the reason for the vicious hatred and foul mouthed utterances not worthy of mention? 
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"Since 1995 Margaret Hodge has been know by her title “Fuming Maniac”. Her hatred of Jeremy Corbyn is understandable, losing the 1995 vote, she received 2%, he received 98%. Her love of using the Holocaust when lying has not received any better reception this time. But at least, unlike Ken Livingstone, she has no historical facts to back up her insistence Labour members are allowed to compare things with the Nazis. Pity no one recorded her calling him a “fucking Nazi” in 1995. Some used to say that was myth. Now no one does…"
http://www.edlis.org/hodge
Critical Thinking provides good referencing... 
131.111.184.102 (talk) 13:29, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for so many decades of hatred 

message: Article in the Evening Standard 13 February 2004: 
"So who didn't sign the BBC staffers' petition for Greg Dyke? Refuseniks included Margaret Hodge's daughter Lizzie Watson, producer for the BBC's political editor Andrew Marr - making for divided loyalties over Hutton.
Now Deputy Editor, BBC News at 6 and 10.
Is it relevant that the most anti-Corbyn news on the BBC is done by the daughter of the most anti-Corbyn MP in the UK? 
86.137.43.26 (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lizzie Watson 

message: * The i Newsletter - Chloe Chaplain - An anti-Margaret Hodge hashtag is criticising the Labour MP for something she didn’t actually say, 17th August 2018: "Dame Margaret, whose grandmother and uncle were killed during the Holocaust, confronted Corbyn in Parliament earlier this year, calling him a “f***ing anti-Semite and a racist“."  
* The Telegraph - Edward Malnick - Corbyn ally accuses Hodge of using Holocaust as 'weapon' to attack Labour leader for anti-Semitism, 28 July 2018: "She [Margaret Hodge] said that her grandmother and uncle were among many relatives slaughtered during the Holocaust and she "joined the Labour party to fight racism"."    
    ←   ZScarpia   12:49, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives killed in the Shoah. 

message: Would it be correct to assume Critical Thinking cannot be used as a source, but all the sources it cites can be? 
http://www.edlis.org/hodge/grudge/ 
2A00:23C5:B382:B301:F524:3E08:F9B1:2FE9 (talk) 17:04, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a guide to which publications can be used. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources Jontel (talk) 17:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Thinking 

message: The section on antisemitism has become rather bloated with quotes and material from other articles, particularly as we are talking about some swearing and a recording rather than matters with greater consequence. With the passage of time, perhaps we can focus it on events and on Hodge rather than bring in wider issues, given the extensive articles elsewhere. So, I suggest replacing: 
* 'In July 2018, the National Executive Committee (NEC) adopted a code of conduct on antisemitism which was based on the IHRA's working definition while omitting or modifying examples of antisemitism, including defining how criticism of Israel can be antisemitic. Hodge subsequently said that Labour's refusal to adopt the full set of unamended examples for disciplinary purposes "make the party a hostile environment for Jews. It chose to entrench antisemitism ... This means that in 2018 a party member can call a Jew a Nazi and face little consequence." In contrast, a coalition of 36 international Jewish anti-Zionist groups signed a letter of opposition to the IHRA definition, calling it a “distorted definition of antisemitism to stifle criticism of Israel". Labour said all the examples were covered by other parts of the code. After the adoption of the new code, Hodge confronted Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in parliament and called him "a fucking antisemite and a racist".Labour MP labels Corbyn an 'antisemite' over party's refusal to drop code,The Guardian, 17 July 2018Jewish newspapers unite against Labour 'threat', BBC News, 25 July 2018 The Party initiated a disciplinary investigation of the incident, with a spokesperson saying that "The rules of the Parliamentary Labour Party are quite clear, that colleagues have to treat each other with respect and not bring the party into disrepute and that is why action will be taken." The investigation was terminated following fears that MPs would resign had it continued. A Labour spokesperson said that Hodge "expressed regret" for her remarks: however, Hodge said that there were "no apologies, on either side". Hodge said that the prospect of an investigation had made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s",Margaret Hodge: Labour investigation made me think about treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany, Sky News, Aubrey Allegretti, 17 August 2018 a remark described by one commentator as "absurd" and "grotesque".
In March 2019, Hodge made a secret recording of a meeting she had with Corbyn. The recording was later passed to The Sunday Times which published extracts. In the recording, Corbyn said that some evidence of complaints was being mislaid, ignored or not used, which was why he had asked Lord Falconer to review the process. Corbyn later wrote to Hodge to convey his disappointment at what he considered "to be a total breach of trust and privacy". In the same month, she proposed that the party close down constituencies that passed motions critical of individual investigations or of the IHRA's Working Definition.
with
*'In July 2018, the National Executive Committee adopted a code of conduct on antisemitism which was based on the IHRA's working definition while omitting or modifying examples of antisemitism, including those on criticism of Israel. Hodge confronted Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in parliament and called him "a fucking antisemite and a racist".  Labour MP labels Corbyn an 'antisemite' over party's refusal to drop code,The Guardian, 17 July 2018Jewish newspapers unite against Labour 'threat', BBC News, 25 July 2018 The Party initiated a disciplinary investigation but terminated it following fears that MPs would resign. Hodge said that the prospect of an investigation had made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s",Margaret Hodge: Labour investigation made me think about treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany, Sky News, Aubrey Allegretti, 17 August 2018 a remark described by one commentator as "absurd" and "grotesque".
In March 2019, a secret recording Hodge made of a meeting she had with Corbyn was passed to The Sunday Times which published extracts. Corbyn called it "a total breach of trust and privacy". In the same month, she proposed that the party close down constituencies that passed motions critical of individual investigations or of the IHRA's Working Definition.'
: I think that there are some good trims in there which don't remove any content, but there is also some important information which is lost. What about 
*'In July 2018, the National Executive Committee adopted a code of conduct on antisemitism which was based on the IHRA's working definition while omitting or modifying examples of antisemitism, including defining how criticism of Israel can be antisemitic. Hodge subsequently said that Labour's refusal to adopt the full set of unamended examples for disciplinary purposes "make the party a hostile environment for Jews. It chose to entrench antisemitism ... This means that in 2018 a party member can call a Jew a Nazi and face little consequence." Labour said all the examples were covered by other parts of the code. Hodge confronted Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn in parliament and called him "a fucking antisemite and a racist".  Labour MP labels Corbyn an 'antisemite' over party's refusal to drop code,The Guardian, 17 July 2018Jewish newspapers unite against Labour 'threat', BBC News, 25 July 2018 The Party initiated a disciplinary investigation but terminated it following fears that MPs would resign. Hodge said that the prospect of an investigation had made her think about "what it felt like to be a Jew in Germany in the 30s",Margaret Hodge: Labour investigation made me think about treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany, Sky News, Aubrey Allegretti, 17 August 2018 a remark described by one commentator as "absurd" and "grotesque".
In March 2019, extracts of a secret recording Hodge made of a meeting she had with Corbyn were published. Corbyn said in the recording that said that some evidence of complaints was being mislaid, ignored or not used; he called the release of the recording "a total breach of trust and privacy". In the same month, she proposed that the party close down constituencies that passed motions critical of individual investigations or of the IHRA's Working Definition.'
:: No, I think that becomes somewhat unbalanced. Jontel (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've re-added the Labour response to make it more balanced - sorry was doing it on my phone so hard to see everything! I've also slightly trimmed the Sunday Times sentence. Bellowhead678 (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for those changes. I would only suggest two further small changes, based on the referenced sources, to the section on recording, which do change the sense. Change 'was being' to  'had been' and 'release' to 'making'. If you can accept these, I'm happy for you to make the change, subject to anyone else's views. Jontel (talk) 10:23, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Yes, agree. Jontel (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing bloated section 

message: https://news.az/news/margaret-hodge-who-made-millions-of-dollars-from-belarus-blind-hatred-is-all-she-knows-edlisorg-analytics
Odd Belarus connection is not included, anyone with editing skill care to? 
Margaret Hodge's vicious attack on Azerbaijan under parliamentary privilege has infuriarated many people there, they cannot understand why she is free to lie and cannot be prosecuted for it? 
Htrowsle (talk) 22:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belarus 

message: I submitted the following text, but I think neither source is reliable. If anyone finds a more reliable source, please add it to the article.
"There have been some suggestions that Stemcor, the company founded by Hodge's father in which she remains a major shareholder, profited greatly from Apartheid policies in South Africa." Spiralwidget (talk) 14:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections to Apartheid