Talk:The Ambassadors

message: The introduction of this article says, "This dark comedy, seen as one of the masterpieces of James's final period, follows the trip of protagonist Lewis Lambert Strether to Europe in pursuit of Chad Newsome, his widowed fiancée's supposedly wayward son; he is to bring the young man back to the family business, but he encounters unexpected complications. The third-person narrative is told exclusively from Strether's point of view."
If you go over to the Amazon purchase page for this book, it describes the book as follows: "This dark comedy, seen as one of the masterpieces of James's final period, follows the trip of protagonist Lewis Lambert Strether to Europe in pursuit of Chad Newsome, his widowed fiancée's supposedly wayward son; he is to bring the young man back to the family business, but he encounters unexpected complications. The third-person narrative is told exclusively from Strether's point of view."
So there's an almost 100% overlap. Could be that Amazon somehow copied from Wikipedia, or could be the other way around. Novellasyes (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am trying to figure out how to escalate this. I read Wikipedia:Copyright violations. In the section on "Dealing with copyright problems", it says to use the text below, but I wasn't sure if I was supposed to put that here or on the article. So, I'm putting it here. Novellasyes (talk) 17:54, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I was supposed to put this notice on the article itself, not here, so I'm going to go ahead and do that. Novellasyes (talk) 23:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The text appeared on here in this edit in 2005  - if you spool forward and back, you can see the text being revised, so I think it's actually a case of them copying this text rather than the other way around, as is often the case these days. I'm going to remove the copyvio notice, but will also remove the 'masterpiece' bit, as it's a bit peacocky. Bob talk 11:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you very much for figuring this out! It would never have occurred to me to look into those early edits like that. Awesome. Novellasyes (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction of this article versus Amazon

message: Following from the discussion above and 's March 10 entry in Copyright Problems. 
I went over the overlapping text again, and was mainly concerned about the plot summary. See this diff where the plot summary was added in one edit by an IP editor, without inline citations. This is the bulk of the material flagged by Earwig and matching the Amazon description of the novel. Because of this I've removed the entire plot summary, and slightly rewritten the introduction and the first paragraph of major themes. I believe this takes care of most of the copyvio issues, but I'll have a second look and please let me know what you think. --Alan Islas (talk) 15:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio issues

message: I'm proposing that Lambert Strether be merged into this article. That article is 15 years old and a tiny stub. It has had the "needs more citations" template on it, to no avail, for 12 years (since 2009). The article about Lambert gets an average of 4 page views a day. Novellasyes (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a good idea. He's not exactly Hamlet. Anyway, not even Isabel Archer gets her own page.Valkotukka (talk) 20:14, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been feeling sorry for Lambert so I looked up scholarly work on him and after poking around for awhile (this is typical) altho I still feel sorry for him, I just don't think there's much that can be made here. Novellasyes (talk) 20:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 10:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Chad doesn't decide to go back to America and it's clear that Mrs. Newsome doesn't want to be with Strether and even clearer that Strether no longer wants to be with her. 174.99.30.163 (talk) 22:06, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary