Talk:Ali al-Rida

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message: I can't seem to edit the script on this page to get it to format it properly. If you look carefully, it says Arabic 1 and then the Arabic script, followed by January, where the one is supposed to follow the arabic script and precede the month.Pepsidrinka 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arabic script

message: What's this person's date of birth and death? In the article it states something different than in the block on the right. And on the page for July 25, he is also listed. But July 25 is never even mentioned in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNME666 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth and death? 

message: Ridha??? Imam Reza is his name and that he is called.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We use the Arabic titles, not the Persianized ones. For example, this calls him Imam al-Rida as well. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridha or Reza or Rida ???

message: Reviewed the comments earlier posted about NPOV. I found them to be related to two sections namely "Death" and "...Morality...". Had to change the subject of the latter to be more neutral. Also, removed terms and sentences that were either not-provable or not neutral. If you still find the article agains NPOV, please discuss it here by providing details. Feel free to send me a message through the talk page.Kazemita1 (talk) 22:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Resolving NPOV

message: @Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian The article lacks reliable references. Please help with finding suitable secondary sources to enhance the quality. Consequently, we may nominate it at GA list if it meets the criteria. Mhhossein (talk) 06:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hadi.anani As you know, I inserted some reliable references some months ago and altered the article very much. Then you started your job. That you are going to edit it further is a good news. Please consider clarifying your possible major changes in the talk page. Mhhossein (talk) 07:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: These are some of my suggestions:
# Modern work on Imam by Madelung: 
# Shia biography about Imam's life: 
# Shia biography (full view): 
# About Mashhad: 
# About Ali al-Ridha in modern culture and art Seyyed(t-c) 03:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources should be added 

message: What's your motivation for changing the picture of infobox? Mhhossein (talk) 06:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Alborzagros: I think the former pic was encyclopedic while the current one is not. Mhhossein (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The former one is not removed. I replaced it somewhere else in article.Alborzagros (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Alborzagros: However, The current one is not encyclopedic, IMO. Mhhossein (talk) 10:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox Pic 

message: , : I've read the note about "Iran" meaning the same as "Persia", but I'm not sure why the infobox must call Iran "Iran, Islamic Republic of". Surely this too means the same as "Persia"? Quasar G   t - c  23:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my point. Iran on its own means the same as Persia, so we should differentiate by including the "Islamic Republic of".Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  - what I mean is, surely if Persia = Iran and Iran = Islamic Republic of Iran, then by logic Persia = Islamic Republic of Iran. And if "Iran" and "Persia" refer to the same swathe of land, then there's no need to disambiguate anyway. Quasar G   t - c  11:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current wording, "Now Iran, Islamic Republic of," is more accurate. --Mhhossein talk 14:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  – Why? What's wrong with simply "Iran", and, failing that, what's wrong with "Islamic Republic of Iran"? Quasar G   t - c  14:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not objecting any of them. --Mhhossein talk 14:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, ok. Do you mind if I change it to "Iran" then? Quasar G   t - c  15:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would expected Emir of Wikipedia's opinion, too. --Mhhossein talk 17:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I will change it to Iran, but keep the now bit to clarify that it is a different entity. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where? 

message: because of white complexion of the revered seventh Imam ; her mother could not be a berber; there where at the same time slaving daughters in the british isles and carrying them to maghreb; there fore she could be either a Brits or Spanish; the same for the mother of revered eigth Imam; that was also a slave from Maghreb ; that there was mentioned a talk from christian woman saying something about the future of mother of imam at time there were in baghdad; this could be a clue that she was also Brits.But these are just pure speculation;Not based on thehistory.
Amir Arab  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.157.144.74 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  revered mother of imam 

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message: This article has several different values for the date of death. In the infobox, it says 17 Safar, or 6 June 818, but introduction puts the Gregorian date at 23 August 818. Later in the "Death" section, it says the precise date is unknown, and the "Reciting the sermon" section places his death on 30 Safar. So something is messed up here. —howcheng  {chat} 17:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death 

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message: Al-Dhahabi never held hatred against the ahlul bait, in fact his books are filled with praise for them! to claim that "Al-Dhahabi, known for his enmity towards the Ahl al-Bayt, could not help but acknowledge" is a blatant lie and cause for sectarian tension. also, the ref given is to a website that is no longer active and takes you to a page with viruses! It's contradictory that he hated ahlul bait when in the same section you say that he praised ahlul bait! I ask this part to be removed or changed because this simply isn't true! AmirsamanZare (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is your proof? And when I mean proof, I mean what WP:RS support your view? Leo1pard (talk) 16:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here are some statements from Al-Dhahabi about ahlul bait:
“The noble and complete Imam, the grandson of the Messenger of Allâh and his sweet scented plant (Rayhanah) from the world, his beloved one, Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein bin (the son of) Amir AlMu’minin (Prince of the Believers) Abu AlHassan Ali bin Abi Talib bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hashim ibn Abdu Manaf bin Qusai, the Quraishian and the Hashemite”.As-Siyar (Vol. 3 page 280) 
“The honorable Imam Zain AlA’bidin, the Hashemite, the descendant of Ali, the Medinian”. As-Siyar (vol. 4, page: 386) 
And finally “He is the honorable Imam Abu Ja’afar Muhammad bin Ali bin Al-Hussein bin Ali Al-Alawi, Al-Fatimi, AlMadani, the son of Zain Al-Abidin… He was one of those who combined between knowledge and work, honor and dignity, reliability and calmness. He was fit for the Caliphate, and he is one of the twelve Imams whom the Imamate Shiites glorify and believe that they are infallible and sinless and that they know all about the religion. Indeed none is infallible and sinless except the Angels and the Prophets. Everyone can be right or wrong, and his word can be accepted or rejected save that of the Prophet, verily he was infallible and assisted with divine revelation. Abu Ja’afar was famously known as AlBa’qir from the word “baqara al-ilm” to rip open knowledge i.e. to cut it, (this means) he knew its source of origin and its secrets, Abu Ja’afar was a hardworking Imam, a reciter of the Holy Qur’an, great…”.As-Siyar (Vol. 4,pages: 401-402) 
As you clearly can see, Ad Dhahabi is calling members of ahlul bait Imams and leaders of the Muslims. If he had hated them he would not have called them imams or accepted their khelafah! There are more statements by Dhahabi about the family of the prophet but I feel like this should be sufficient. AmirsamanZare (talk) 16:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Dhahabi 

message: "Al-Dhahabi, though critical of the Shi'ah, could not help but acknowledge al-Ridha's merits" makes it sound like sunnis consider Ridha shia, but that's not the case. according to the sunni tradition, all the twelve imams were part of ahlul sunnah wa jammah. I suggest that It changes to "Ad-Dhahabi mentions (name of the books where the qoute comes from) that ...." If Dhababi had thought that Imam Rida belonged to the twelver shia sect and preached that he was all-knowing, infallible and controlled the atoms of the universe he wouldn't have praised him. 
Ibn Taymiyyah mentions in his Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387) that: "Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims.  But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge."
Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid says about the imams of the twelver shia: "As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood"https://islamqa.info/en/answers/101272/the-status-of-the-imams-of-the-ithna-ashari-shiah
The quotes above shows that scholars of ahlul sunnah don't see the twelve imams as shia, rather as normal sunni scholars. Therefore I ask that the text be changed. AmirsamanZare (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   May I change this article based on the statements above without you or someone else removing it?? AmirsamanZare (talk) 13:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Ridha's merits 

message: June 6, 818 is the wrong date. It is equal to 27/11/202 AH. The correct date is September 5, 818 which corresponds to 29/2/203 AH. Aminabzz (talk) 15:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  date of death 

message: Tus and Mashhad are two separate places. Tus still exists today. In fact, Mashhad was a village called Sanabad at that time; while Tus was a more important city. But now Mashhad is a great city while Tus is a village (just like Tehran and Ray). Ali al-Rida was killed in Tus; that's true. But al-Ma'mun ordered his body to be buried in his father's tomb (Harun al-Rashid) in Sanabad. Aminabzz (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tus didn't replace with Mashhad