Talk:Kriegsspiel

message: Kriegsspiel has a lot more depth and variation than is currently presented in the article. I added a slightly more detailed section on "Free" Kriegsspiel (as opposed to "Strict"), since it radically changed the way in which Kriegsspiel was conducted. There is also quite a lot more to be said about Kriegsspiel as an educational tool or as a tool of grand strategy as opposed to tactics. Additionally, I felt that the writing standard on the "History" section was especially poor and vague, so I cleaned it up a little bit. 
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message: Kriegsspiel, as a German word (as indicated by the article using it in italics), follows German capitalization.  All German nouns are capitalized, even if not a proper noun; not doing so is actually misspelling the word, turning it into something other than a noun.  If Kriegsspiel were a foreign word fully adopted into the English language (which it is not per sources), like blitzkrieg and flak, it wouldn't be in italics, and only then can follow modern English rules for capitalization, plural and possessive forms, and such ("many blitzkriegs", "the flak's power", etc.)  --A D Monroe III(talk)  22:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In Jon Peterson's book and a bunch of others, kriegsspiel is written with a small K. Your argument makes some sense but these writers don't follow it. Kurzon (talk) 23:10, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If all sources did this, or even an overwhelming majority of them, we might have to follow their misspelling.  But many sources don't make this mistake; all the sources I have don't.  Our repeating the misspell, even if often done, makes WP look foolish, while doing it correctly does the opposite.  --A D Monroe III(talk)  19:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any rule according to which all typographical details are exactly preserved when a foreign word is adapted into English.  If a German word with ess-zet were adapted into English, it's almost certain that the great majority of English sources using the word would not used the ess-zet symbol... AnonMoos (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree anything can be changed when a word is adapted into English.  But Kriegsspiel has not been adapted into English; it remains just German.  (And note that transliterated words are a different thing, which doesn't apply here.)  --A D Monroe III(talk)  02:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Kriegsspiel'' is capitalized 

message: This section is copy-pasted from SoCal Krieg's Talk page
Could you look over the rules summary I wrote for the Kriegsspiel article?  I've never played Kriegsspiel, I wrote that stuff based solely on Reisswitz's manual.  You, it seems, have actually played this game. Kurzon (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. On to free Kriegsspiel, then. I bought a free Kriegsspiel manual by Verdy du Vernois from Lulu.com, but it didn't contain any rules or any sort of technical description like Reisswitz's manual. Rather, it contained a transcript of a game. I suppose Verdy thought the only good way to describe his game was to show an example. It was a rules-free game, after all. I have ADHD so it's too much for me to read the whole book and analyze its principles.  Could you help me out here? Kurzon (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Verdy must have had some general ideas of how a good game of free Kriegsspiel should be conducted. If not hard rules, did he not recommend any general principles for the game? Meckel identified two problems with rigid Kriegsspiel that affected the realism of the outcomes: the umpire couldn't apply his own expertise, and the real world is too complex and mercurial. So what kind of expertise should an umpire ideally have?  What methods of reasoning should the umpire use?  Surely he didn't want an umpire to just flip a coin every time the umpire had to make any judgment. Kurzon (talk) 22:03, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Do you know any writings of Verdy that could share details of his philosophy? Perhaps in Militär-Wochenblatt? Kurzon (talk) 10:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Verdy wrote his free Kriegsspiel book after 50 years the original rigid Kriegsspiel was developed. He used Reisswitz's Kriegsspiel as a frame of reference. If he had written his free Kriegsspiel before Reisswitz, would people have understood what he was talking about? Kurzon (talk) 
12:21, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

text: OK. My question really was Verdy got rid of the rules, but what did he want to preserve?. This is a decent analysis, all I need now is some writings by Verdy to corroborate it. Kurzon (talk) 13:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

text: What do you mean by "double-blind"?  Do you mean that the umpire must be kept ignorant of some things? Kurzon (talk) 13:57, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Right.  In science, "double-blind" means that the guy running the experiment is also kept ignorant, as well as the test subjects (eg, in a clinical trial of a new drug, not even the guy handing out the pills knows which ones are placebos). Kurzon (talk) 08:54, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

text: In free Kriegsspiel, it seems that Verdy preferred the players have conversations with the umpire rather than written messages. What do you know of this? Kurzon (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

text: If the players can talk to the umpire, how do they prevent the opponent from eavesdropping? Kurzon (talk) 16:51, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Ah. I remember reading somewhere that in Verdy's take on Kriegsspiel, each team had their own map, and the umpire placed on the map all the pieces that the team were aware of (their troops and visible enemy troops); and the umpire had his own map in a separate room where all the troops in the battle were visible on the umpire's map.  Is this true?  I imagine that since Verdy alleviated the umpire of the hassle of rules, he had more flexibility to use multiple maps. Kurzon (talk) 15:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Kriegsspiel rules

message: Why do you think the Materials illustrations are better in a multiple image template with no caption text, User:Kurzon?  says that this template should only be used when "absolutely necessary". Belbury (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: documentation is quoting MOS:IMGSIZE. I think either layout works here, and images should generally have captions. --Belbury (talk) 14:38, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple images, lack of captions 

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According to pageviews, views of this article spiked on Feb 8 and 9.  Did anything special happen on that day? Kurzon (talk) 19:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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