Talk:Intercommunal conflict in Mandatory Palestine

message: The article is a poorly put together piece of anti-Zionist propaganda. For a moment I considered making some edits, but now I think that wouldn't be necessary. The article is so laughably bad, I doubt anyone, barring some muslim/left-wing fanatics, is going to take it seriously.95.26.28.162 (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here because I wanted to see what changes had occurred since the move from the original title and noted that there had been none, except by you. It has survived very well, congrats, JaapBoBo.  I had watched some of the mediation, as you had said, it did cover both sides already.  Anyway, I decided to do a re-write of the lede for the reader with as little disruption as possible, since I did not catch all of the mediation.  Between the time I made the edits and came back to drop this note, an intervening edit had occurred, as noted below.  CasualObserver'48 (talk) 16:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Zionist attitudes are recorded in detail, their every stray thought of personified just so you know how they were absolutely shocked to see all of this coming and had no intention at all of seizing any clearing all this territory despite the Arab aggression and such. These polemics are produced by Israeli universities which study the issue. Palestinians don't have universities so it is understandable that much less of the time period remains. I dunno, would you like me to go grab various Zionist propaganda, let me guess, their entire thoughts on the subject are "By Allah I am an intolerant Muslim antisemite who just personally did the holocaust and now I want to kill more Jews!" That's usually like their only mention, they have no internal thought processes, just soulless golems and solely cause all conflicts, out poisoning wells and drinking the blood of Jewish children.
Yeah, this article is astoundingly bad. I don't think I've ever seen a Wikipedia article use such shitty grammar or such biased language. Facts aside, the writing is just unacceptable, and not up to the standards Wikipedia has anywhere else. How has it been this bad for twelve years? Daniel J. Hakimi (talk) 22:51, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Heavy bias against Zionism

message: CO48 : "My main objection is that the 1948 PalWar is a link with little info substantitive info in and of itself, it requires going other places.  A far better way is to work on that article and flesh it out with your sources.  I admited that I didnt know the terminology, I didnt say I didnt know the subject.  I have no problem really with the facts the New Historians bring, but the 1948Pal war is a concept at this point, certainly not a fact of wide acceptance, yet.  It is bedtime on my side of the world" CasualObserver1948.
:* I agree that the article is short. Sorry for that. I wrote on wp:fr the whole of the article related to the 1947-1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine that is FA there. Somebody translated it here. That is already a good stuff.
:* These are not New historians. Please : click on the name I gave you : Efraim Karsh and Yoav Gelber. You made as if you were open minded but that is the 4th time I give these names to you ! And I added the Kimche brothers on your talk page. Do you know who they were ? And David Tal is not anecdotical either even if he wrote after the 10 years probation period.
:" but the 1948Pal war is a concept at this point, certainly not a fact of wide acceptance, yet". Among people who doens't know the topic, I think you are right. And I don't care because among historians, there is not a single doubt about this formulation. Find sources that put the events from Nov47 to May48 in a chapter titled "The 1948 Arab-Israeli War" and we will discuss. (There are some. I found 2 who did so). Ceedjee (talk) 17:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good morning, Ceedjee, it is a new day.  We have differences that I am not going to debate any more now.  I believe that it is fair and appropriate to leave this to other editors for their opinions and consensus will hopefully prevail as it should.  Any comments by other editors?  CasualObserver'48 (talk) 02:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main objection 

message: I assume that the photo of "Husany" is of Amin al-Husseini? Or are these different people?--Jrm2007 (talk) 06:18, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amin al-Husseini, 2 spellings? 

message: It is not permitted to construct a case against a cited opinion.  This is a textbook example of WP:SYNTH.  Also the words "When the Zionist arrived in Palestine" do not appear in the interview of Meir.  I am looking at a scan of the original 1969 newspaper article in the Sunday Times. The full text of the relevant section is thus:
: Giles: Do you think the emergence of the Palestinian fighting forces, the fedayeen, is an important new factor in the Middle East?Meir: IMPORTANT, NO. A new factor, yes. There was no such thing as Palestinians. When was there an independent Palestinian people with a Palestinian State? lt was either southern Syria before the first world war, and then it was a Palestine including Jordan. It was not as though there was a Palestinian people in Palestine considering itself as a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist. There is really no such thing as a representative body speaking for so-called Palestinians. Perhaps there was a possibility of coming to some understanding with people of the Western Bank. After two years, everybody has come to the conclusion there is no such thing.
(The name of the interviewer "Giles" and the word "Meir" were added by me.)  It is obvious Meir is referring to the Palestinians as not existing right up to the time of the interview. Zerotalk 05:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am embarrassed (again). Thank you for this info. However, I am not sure yet. In the meantime I have found an Hebrew site, in which she is quoted as saying that "when she immigrated to Palestine..." to the Washington Post at 16.6.1969 ( see also http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Golda_Meir ; http://dancutlermedicalart.com/FakeQuotes/FakedQuotes3.htm ). I have to look further. I'll return in a short time. BTW It is not my opinion. Ykantor (talk) 10:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't have immediate access to the WP article, but I see two places it is described as a reprint of the ST article. I could check but it needs a physical visit to a library or $4 payment.  Btw the two shorter quotations you found match mine except that it definitely says "There was" not "There were". Zerotalk 11:10, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize. It seems that my added sentence is based on an unreliable source. I have deleted it. Anyway, why is that a WP:SYNTH ? What is wrong in adding another quote? Ykantor (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flapan and Meir quotation 

message: It is proposed to rename Jewish insurgency in Palestine → Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine.
Please discuss it on Jewish insurgency in Palestine talk page.GreyShark (dibra) 15:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion relevant to this topic

message: This article is "copied from 'Zionist attitudes toward the Palestinian Arabs'" and has already caused confusion among Wikiusers. It's editing history hard to access, it doesn't link to any other Wikipedia and it's also unclear to what conflict does it cover. We already have a B-class Mandatory Palestine article with a wide politics section in it. For understanding the wide scope of relations between the zionist movement and arab region We have the Arab–Israeli conflict and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. It's clear this article doesn't add anything but messing with Wikipedia. It was already up for a delete and i suggest either to do so or merge its relevant content with the above mentioned articles.Mateo (talk) 18:33, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, The previous deletion proposal was voted 5-2 in favor of delete, and even the keep voters stated this article needs heavy editing. This article remained incoherent with Wikipedias content, style of writing or editing, and has no sense keeping it as it is.Mateo (talk) 18:41, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: A second [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]] proposal

message: Given the importance of the conflict articles to our project I had hoped for more feedback at this RFC, but I think I overcomplicated the description. Some editors may also be thinking "we've been just fine for 10 years so is there really a problem here that needs solving"? I would like to encourage more editors to contribute.
The core issue behind the RFC question is that most readers know very little about the conflict and therefore need one single summary article to read and begin their journey, and we need that single summary article to broadly match the picture that the 1,000s of books summarizing this conflict take. Instead we have sat for many years with three primary articles (IPC since 48, AIC since 48 and ICMP 20-48) which are fine but are missing something above them to thread them together into the 100-year-narrative of the conflict presented by the vast majority of books on the topic. 
I recognize that many editors may find the question is a little more dry and boring than many of the debates around here, but its importance to the average Wikipedia reader can hardly be overstated.
Oncenawhile (talk) 11:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A plea for a 100 year narrative 

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