Talk:Tupac Shakur/Archive 1

message: he died on september 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.146.68 (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be from .  I suppose a revert is in order. --Minesweeper 02:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Early text

message: So I think I'm mostly done with the Bio.. 
One thing though.. I'm not sure how much credence (or space) I should give to the conspiracy theories about his death.. there are actually a lot, most of which are pretty unconvincing. I don't want to let my view on the matter censor them though.. Feel free to add in more than what I've done -- possibly we need a whole new article just about conspiracies around his death ?
Also.. any ideas on what more can be added to the main article? -- I'm thinking about maybe some 30-second clips of his songs, under fair use.. I'd also like to make some comments on the contents of some of the better songs.. don't know if that would be feasible or not. 
OH Yeah! -- If someone can find some pictures that are legal to post here.. it would be great. I'm not sure about whether the whole FDL things lets you take "fair use" stuff or not (like album covers.. specifically i'd like a pic of the cover of the 7 day theory, since it's just so damn creepy).. Also, any pics of him , especially when younger.. if anyone can find 'em :)
-- Schmiddy , 6/20/04
:Consider starting a separate article titled Tupac Shakur conspiracy theories. :) Kingturtle 09:28, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Alright...

message: How did you get pics that you were sure were usable (not copyvio)? I'm looking for pics for Michael Jordan, KG, AI, Kobe, Tom Brady, Ray Lewis, etc. Salasks 16:45, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tupac pictures

message: The user who added "If I don't change the world, I guarantee that I will spark the brain that will." was accused of trolling. Did 'Pac say it? If so it seems like as good a choice of quote as his rhymes.Tim Ivorson 07:47, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's very much possible. I'll go watch the Thug Angel DVD again today to see what the exact quote is, thanks for helping out. Sander 12:19, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: I just removed this very poorly written paragraph from the end of the "Prison sentence" section.  (This info would probably have fit better in "Shot five times robbery," which BTW I think isn't a very clear title.)
:In the vibe article 2pac accused Biggie to being involved in his shooting.Biggie denies any connection.Tupac knew that Bad Boy wanted to sign him to the lable which at the time was co owned by puffy. The other owner we said to be part of the black mafia.When tupac was asked tupac turned them down b/c tupac had it good with interscope. So that's why tupac felt biggie knew who shot him.
Can anyone comment on the factual accuracy of and/or rewrite this?  --Josh3736 06:34, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robbery and Biggie 

message: I don't know if this is true, but I heard that Suge Knight told Tupac to take off his bullet proof vest because it was too hot. I don't know if it is worth including?
:It's true that Tupac wasn't wearing his vest 'that day', I don't know if Suge told him too... However, I don't think it should be in the article. It's mentioned on Kingturtle's 2Pac page -- Sander 22:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullet proof vest

message: There have been some edits recently, changing Tupacs place of birth from Brooklyn to The Bronx and back lately. I always thought he was from Brooklyn too, but now even IMDb has him from The Bronx as well. Anyone who has an official biography or something so we can settle this once and for all? -- Sander 14:17, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although some web sites say he was born in the Bronx, I am pretty sure it was Brooklyn.  The basic google test backs this up, as well as the "google books test" , which finds two books saying the bronx (including one edited by Ishmael Reed) to zero saying brooklyn (by my cursory search). Smmurphy (Talk) 04:32, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I will change it to Brookly, but maybe there should be a short sentence saying that some sources have it as the Bronx. Smmurphy(Talk) 16:43, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brooklyn/Bronx 

message: Mike Garcia. I am trying to remove the article from 3 unnecessary categories. :Category:Murdered entertainers is in :Category:Murder victims. :Category:United States rappers is in :Category:Rappers, which is in :Category:Hip hop musicians. Unless 'Pac was a kind of hip hop musician other than an American rapper, the article need not be directly in more than one of the hip hop musician categories. Only if he was a kind of hip hop musician that does not have its own category should the article be in both Category:Hip hop musicians and subcategories. Category:Murder victims I am not so sure about. The article is in subcategory Category:Murdered entertainers, but he is more than an entertainer, so perhaps the article should be directly in Category:Murder victims. What do you think? Tim Ivorson 08:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps. That's only fifteen twenty year sentences. Tim Ivorson 09:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: why are you trying to remove one of them? (Categories)

message: I have deleted several comments above this which (mainly) descended into offensive name calling.  The last comment (in the  #Muslim/Arabic section) is only marginally better.  Please refrain from insulting other users, either directly or indirectly.  Please also look at Wikipedia policy  Wikipedia:Cite sources is a good place to start.  Ideally you should be able to come up with a short paragraph along the lines of "While Tupac was coy about his personal religious beliefs, there are some indications as to what they may have been.  On the one hand, ..... suggesting he may have had Christian beliefs, on the other hand .... suggests he may have been  Muslim.  In an interview with XXX on XXX he said "....".  He was buried in a <yyy> ceremony."  etc.  Bear in mind that his beliefss may have changed, not been consistant, and/or he may have tried to hide or mislead about them for many reasons.  Good luck. Rich Farmbrough 13:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Get it together

message: Tupac Shakur was gunned down by military agents for his vocal opposition to the military's Don't ask, don't tell policy with regard to gays in the military. He was among the first to be killed, on account of his race. Although the government has suppressed all relevant evidence concerning the case, the Illuminati maintain a detailed dossier of events which military intelligence has yet to destroy. This information will be made public in the coming of Revelations within the next four years, as predicted by John Titor.
Why do some Wikipedians feel the need to censor the truth?
^^^^HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!HHAHAHAHROFLZ!!!Richard Corey 20:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: I find it so wrong that every hip-hop article written on wikipedia (that I've read so far, anyway) deals more with the person outside of the booth than inside the booth. 
Why don't we focus more on his music. Get some people to breakdown his albums, the meanings for songs, the stories behind songs and albums, his style, what made him special AS AN ARTIST. 
Look at the Beatles page. Every album is broken down, with a link to each song and stories behind them. Meanwhile, Tupac, LL Cool J and KRS One have these long, meandering articles talking about their backgrounds and the drama they've been in. 
Am I the only one that cares about this? Richard Corey 20:32, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: He was an emcee right?

message: Folks, I wanted to revamp the "Acting career" section, because as people have pointed out about the music, it gets short shrift. Pac was a highly influential actor, and I can honestly say that he revolutionized the concept of rappers starring in films, because since him, rapper-actors have become commonplace. Of course, unlike most of these stars, Pac was a trained actor.
I would go ahead and just do it, but I don't want to make major changes without checking in first. What do folks have to say about it? --Pinko1977 03:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I say, go for it, especially if you can cite some sources.  If you need to rearange things (beyond cleaning up the mention of acting in the "rise to fame section"), mention it here, but otherwise, his acting career could use a couple of paragraphs describing both his style/influences/education, and the movies he worked in and what his work meant to his career and to the hip-hop community. Smmurphy(Talk) 05:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pac's Cinema Career