Talk:Berbers/Archive 1

message: I read that in some period of Al-Andalus, the Berbers were forced to pay the "personal tribute for non-Muslims".
I find very strange that a Muslim is treated as a Dhimmi.
The source has a quite strong bias against Islam.
Can somebody confirm? -- Error 01:49, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not totally inconceivable.  The strict stipulations of the Sharia about how much tax you can charge Muslims (and how you can't enslave Muslims) often posed an inconvenience for medieval monarchs; they sometimes got around it by arguing that, even though a given people had converted, they had initially rejected Islam and were thus still to be treated as if they were non-Muslims.  (I know, I know... political sophistry is nothing new.) But I've never heard of that happening in Andalus, just in sub-Saharan Africa. - Mustafaa 04:46, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dhimmis

message: this was in the article about the arab :
Most, but not all, Arabs are Muslims. Most American Arabs (about two-thirds) are Christian Arabs, particularly from Syria, Palestine, and Lebanon
but you fight to write that the berber are molsim . see: 
predominantly Muslim (but partly Jewish, Christian, and atheist) ethnic group living in northern Africa
you don't want to say that the are christian :http://elguanche.net/. why ? you too find  that islam a negatif point ? Aziri 13:39, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: what a theatre is beeing this wikipedia ? how do yoy speak about the histry of the maghreb ? whe is this Maghreb born ? . it is the History of Tamazgha.Aziri 12:35, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Maghreb

message: I am no expert but I think that the theses that Guanches were Berbers and all the pre-colonial inhabitants of the Canary Islands were Guanches are not fully established, even if they are accepted by some people. So the allusions to the islands should be nuanced. -- Error 01:10, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Canary Islands

message: Should there be mentions to the Berber populations of Ceuta and Melilla or are they too small? -- Error 01:10, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ceuta]] and [[Melilla]]

message: On what basis was the paragraph beginning "They are generally agreed to descend from the Neolithic Capsian culture" deleted?  This is not controversial.
"Archaeological and linguistic evidence strongly suggests southwestern Asia as the point from which the ancestors of the Berbers may have begun their migration into North Africa early in the third millennium B.C." - this position is pretty much obsolete as regards the linguistic evidence, which strongly indicates an African origin for Afro-Asiatic, and the archeological evidence is ambiguous at best.
"References to them date from about 3000 BC" - the Egyptians had barely invented writing at that point; can you provide a citation?
"They continued to inhabit the region until the 7th century AD, when the Arabs conquered North Africa and drove many Berber peoples inland to the Atlas Mountains and to areas in and near the Sahara." - actually, they continue to inhabit the region today, and remained by far the predominant ethnic group until the Banu Hilal several centuries later. Berbers have inhabited the Atlas Mountains since pre-Roman times. - Mustafaa 14:49, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits