Talk:Cessna T-37 Tweet

message: *According to Wiki naming policy, this article should be under the title "T-37 Tweety Bird". If no one objects, I will move it. Maury 15:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. And since, according to this PDF, the T-37's official nme is "Tweet", then that is what should be used. - BillCJ 18:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

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:The A-36B was also exported to Cambodia and Thailand in the 1970s.
It needs a reference, and I'm pretty sure the "36" is a typo.--chris.lawson 05:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cambodia/Thailand exports 

message: The T-37 and A-37 are, in many ways, different aircraft. I am planning on splitting off the A-37 to A-37 Dragonfly in the next few days, unless strong objections are raised. Also, as above, I will be looking into moving this article to T-37 Tweet, the plane's official USAF name. - BillCJ 18:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A-37 Dragonfly

message: ...is not Columbus AFB, it's Sheppard. — BQZip01 — talk 01:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The "last base"

message: I liked the picture better before; cropping it (Oct 15) did not improve the depiction of the aircraft and removed some rich context (at least for those who spent a lot of time in the Tweet over Texas.) Is there some rule or principle involved, to show just the aircraft? Other pics on the page show interesting backgrounds. If it's valid or necessary to take out the background, then maybe the caption's newsy reference to the Lake should be dropped as well. brucemcdon – 19:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I liked the previous picture too, but I think the caption is apropos. — BQZip01 — talk 22:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cropped picture

message: I don't think this picture is from the 1950s.  The Air Force didn't begin painting the Tweet white until the 1970s.  I went through UPT in 1976, and many T-37s were still bare metal.  The helmets the pilots are wearing are much too recent a design as well.
Ralph X. Williams III (talk) 13:56, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The original image http://www.af.mil/photos/mediagallery.asp?galleryID=57&page=2 has not got a date but the caption just says that the type joined the USAF in 1955 "T-37 Tweet, Air Force inventory in 1955" and it has been assumed as the date of the photograph. The aircraft has a 1961 Fiscal serial so was probably not even built in the 1950s. A Google search finds "A student and instructor at the Air Training Command undergraduate navigator school climb into the cockpit of a T-37 training aircraft prior to making a flight. Location: MATHER AIR FORCE BASE, CALIFORNIA (CA) UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (USA) Camera Operator: WALT WEIBLE Date Shot: 1 Jun 1983. (Department of Defense Photo)." MilborneOne (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-37B Tweet in the 1950s picture 

message: The overall layout of the T37 bears a very strong resemblance to that of the F89.  Everything from the placement of the jet engine intakes to the shape of the tailplane and cruciform tail make the T37 resemble an F89 that shrank in the wash, so to speak.
I know that the aircraft were developed by different companies.  The F89 was a Northrop design, the T37 was from Cessna.  Nonetheless, I have to ask--did any of the engineers who created the Scorpion go on to work for Cessna just a few years later?  It can't be coincidental.  The aircraft look far too much alike.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:400:8001:BA60:2DB6:16A6:1576:107D (talk) 19:31, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  resemblance to the Northrop F89 Scorpion 

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message: Hi BilCat,
In response to your so helpfully pointing out that the material was indeed covered in the main text, I retained that material in the next edit, while trying to improve the flow and characterization.  I have two issues with the original wording:
1) Saying that it's an "attack aircraft".  The main text refers (without references) to one later model having some "light attack" capabilities "if required".  That's a far cry from calling all T-37 models an "attack aircraft".  Lede is supposed to summarize main points, not re-characterize them.
2) Cramming too much into one sentence.  Trying to "get it all out in one go" often suggests lack of confidence that the writer has the reader's attention.  In egregious examples, it actually induces loss of attention.  Gravitas and readability are improved with shorter sentences and that don't try to "do it all", even if the total number of characters is increased somewhat.  It's more encyclopedic.  Although, I will give you that this example is only slight, i.e. not very egregious.
98.216.251.242 (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever. I've reverted myself, as it's not a major issue, nor is it worth spending this much of my time arguing about it. Btw, null edits need to used sparingly. They are really meant for clarifying previous edits that were not summarized adequately or at all. The software will notify me of any comments you leave on this page or my talk page, so you don't need to leave any further messages that way in null edits. - BilCat (talk) 18:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Attack aircraft"?  Let's clarify. 

message: The list of aircraft flown by the 21st Tactical Air Support Squadron when it was activated in 1973 at MacDill AFB says it flew the "OT-37".  This is earlier than the time A-37s used in the attack role were designated as OA-37s.  There is also a reference to the birds being returned to Air Training Command when the 21st moved to Shaw and equipped with OV-10s.  Was there an unarmed observation modification of the T-37 that is not mentioned in the article?  --Lineagegeek (talk) 14:27, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  OT-37 

message: The description is absolutely correct in regards to the amount of noise and the ridiculous pitch that it violates you with, but it's so hard to truly comprehend just how horrific it is to be ground crew when a group of these things would come in lol. Is there any reason why we couldn't have an audio file included with this? Ramahamalincoln (talk) 09:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any chance for a media file?