Talk:Xbox 360/Archive 7

message: There is a rumor saying that Epic persuaded Microsoft to double the total system RAM from 256 to 512,  is that real? Wikipedialista 22:08, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=148029 seems to confirm that.  I'm not if this sort of trivia belongs in a Wikipedia article though...? Adw2000 14:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors 

message: I mean, the carpet , the quality... etc
It's too amateur for being displayed as the main one... we should get another with more quality. 
: Agreed.
--189.135.61.213 04:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the image is perfect.  Its very simplicity makes the viewer focus immediately on the console instead of the glare from glass case or some messy kiosk.  Most importantly, the image's copyrights are very clear.--Kenn Caesius 19:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There already is one. :Image:Xbox 360 white background.jpg Dancter 18:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks sort of obviously cut out. Let me have a second with it before you put it in. --gatoatigrado 02:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: that took a long time, and it's not that much better. Someone needs to take a better picture. Without the remote control. --gatoatigrado 05:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Anyway put that one in while we get another one, it's better than the one with the carpet --189.135.66.229 05:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand you mean. What third-party remote? Dancter 03:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't the main picture too amateur? 

message: : this removal has been consistently reverted without discussion. , , , , , . Please discuss changes on the talk page before you revert. --gatoatigrado 09:58, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: would someone make a reference out of this article? or find one from a better source? thanks. this is in regard to the antialiasing comments. diff. reference. --24.7.86.143 01:19, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "Your other comment is already in the GPU section." I'm sorry, you're right. It is from a "reliable" but highly biased source (Microsoft). That is not IGN's words, they are providing a copy of Microsoft's "competitive comparison" document. It is not the purpose of this article to spread Microsoft propaganda. Please reply on the talk page. Your edit summaries are good so I won't complain yet. --gatoatigrado 05:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: On page 3, this (below) is Microsoft's. The information below the horizontal line, as I am interpreting it, is IGN's comments. --gatoatigrado 05:56, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: This is what appears to be IGN's comments, below the horizontal line. --gatoatigrado 05:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Information coming from a reliable source does not remove it from discussion. I would argue that articles such as http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,25689-2371220,00.html, which are obviously from reliable sources, are biased and conflict with other opinions. The criticism for lack of surface level innovation is one thing, but the "lack of wow factor" because many games are extensions to series started on the PlayStation 2 has been criticized by other users. Indeed, this link is still in the PlayStation 3 article, but it demonstrates how this can be controversial. --gatoatigrado 06:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am removing this again. I do not want to get into a revert war. The person who made this edit was undoubtedly aware of the conflict, because it has of the exact same wording as before. . --gatoatigrado 09:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  pov statements 

message: A 100GB HDD was announced at X06 in Korea and was reported first onEngadget. How are we going to incorporate this into the article? I don't want to make any changes right now, as I want some sort of consensus about what to do about the announcement. --CanesOL79 16:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eventually it should be listed in Xbox 360 components and accessories, but I wouldn't bother just yet. We may as well wait until their is more information - at least a release time frame and/or price. Koweja 16:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that sounds good to me. I didn't want to bother adding it into the article because it's unnecessary right now, as nothing is set in stone or finalized. --CanesOL79 18:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  In my opinion, just mention that it was announced, it's somewhat important. No extra details are necessary' --189.135.69.96 03:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Microsoft has denied all claims of a 100GB Hard Drive. 71.163.110.222
Its the dev kit pack currently. And as long as Microsoft doesn't speak about its plans for a larger HD, we should. - Thekittenofterra 01:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  100GB HDD Announced 

message: There seems to be some confusion of CS on the page concerning the 360 and its processors.
Its 3.2GHz for each core,not total.
The PowerPc products page for example state "Microsoft's Xbox 360 console, available now, includes a 3.2 GHz custom IBM PowerPC chip with three symmetrical cores..." when it should have been 9.6GHz...same as with Intel's adverts stating "Pentium D processer at 3GHz".The 3 Ghz was the combined speed of the 2 cores.
: uh, maybe you should read the hertz and dual core articles. you can't add clock cycles. it means multiple operations are being done per clock. --24.7.86.143 02:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A clock speed is a clock speed.  Memory will go at a specified clock speed, cores at another, other I/O at another.  To say "You have two cores going at 3 GHz, so it's really 6 GHz," doesn't work.  You may as well say, "We have around 2 million latches each operating at 3 GHz, so it's really going 6 million GHz."  Obviously, this is not correct.  It's like you clapping your hands once every second, then having a friend do the same.  You aren't both clapping your hands twice a second each; you're still just clapping your hands once a second.  Hope this has cleared some things up. Zebov (talk|contribs) 06:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clock speed for Xbox 360 

message: The article, while good, doesn't meet a few points of WP:WIAGA:
*1b - I feel the lead, for such an indepth article, could be longer. It could perhaps include the games launched with Xbox 360 and initial consumer reaction. I should be able to gather the key information about the console from reading the lead, and at the moment it mostly tells me about the launch.
::Slightly expanded, by a sentence or two.70.101.196.236 04:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The book were the entire section was referanced from was removed because someone though it unneeded, readding a ref version of it to cite everything in there. Care to point out what other than that needs cited?74.33.13.26 00:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cited now.74.33.13.26 03:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

text: All images that contain rational are deleted, the only way to get an image on this page is to have in not tagged on rationaled. :-/74.33.13.26 00:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Added rational that I saw on other similar images to the one that were fair-use.70.101.196.236 04:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: Is the word die meant to be in the caption for the picture in the "Graphics processing unit" section?58.106.37.243 08:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. "Die" is a term used to refer to Integrated circuit chips. Koweja 18:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is "die" meant to be in it? 

message: should we change the 360 watts of up to 600 watts since 120 volts*5 amps=600watts? or is it different because the brick changes the current to D/C?
: It simply doesn't use the entire amount of power that the power supply is able to supply. The same flawed argument (no offense) was put against the PlayStation 3, claiming it consumed 380 watts. People have measured the Xbox 360 at 160 watts. --gatoatigrado 11:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: how do they measure it?
Remember this is AC so 120 Volts * 5 Amps = 600 VoltAmps.  On DC volts*amps=watts, but on AC volts*amps*power factor=watts or voltamps*power factor=watts.
Note:  Original Post had a + instead of * this was fixed
Rmcferren 21:45, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  xbox 360 watts 

message: I changed Mhz and Ghz to MHz and GHz and they were changed back? Isn't Hz the proper format?--Darin-0 13:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Hz is correct. Koweja 13:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, remember Hz, kHz, MHz, GHz.  And remember that kilo is lowercase. Rmcferren 17:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MHz and GHz 

message: I feel that the game section should be cleaned up like the ps3 (playstation 3) It's adding alot to the article, sure but ps3 has a seperate wiki for launch titles. This should be mainly about the hardware, not the software being played on it, ofcourse aside from xbox live. Remember this is an article, like an encylopedia, it shouldn't be used for promotional purposes or viral marketing.
--64.231.255.85 10:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote for removal of game library 

message: Sorry for the delay in rereviewing the article! I've passed it - my only tips are to split the lead into two paragraphs and make it more concise, and align the table to the right in the Retail Configurations section (change the notes to footnotes). Otherwise, it's good work! CloudNine 21:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: 
Could an administrator add a Czech interwiki link cs:Xbox 360 to the article? Thanks. --Radek Bartoš 20:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. — TKD::Talk 20:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: A user uploaded a higher resolution logo of the original, but didn't change it here, so due to size constraints it was replaced with the current. Requesting it be changed back.
Current
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67.138.78.50 21:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Edit Requests 

message: * You are able to play normal Xbox games on Xbox 360 right?
You can play games that have backwards compatibility profiles if you have a hard drive.DeathSeeker 23:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox games on Xbox 360 

message: This Topic should be included. It directly relates to environmental issues and the costs of operation.--Nemissimo II 20:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added what I think you want.70.101.196.236 00:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy consumption?? 

message: I've removed the following text from the article lead as presenting too much  detail for an introduction to the topic:
 The system contains a 3.2 GHz tri-core PowerPC based CPU and a 500 MHz GPU. 
 Its Xbox Live service allows gamers to compete online, download games and additional 
 content. Microsoft believes that its push towards high-definition gaming, year-early 
 head start and its Xbox Live online gaming service will help the console be successful.
Deathseeker/76.210.226.142/123wiki123 disagrees with that removal, and we are currently going back and forth over it.  I'd like to ask for input from other uninvolved editors as to whether they think this material belongs in the introductory paragraph, or is more appropriate further down in the article.   Thanks, Nandesuka 06:06, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Nandesuka ... although now I've "involved" myself by editing.  The lead para may or may not need expansion, but it's no reason to stick stuff in there that doesn't belong.  I left the XBox Live mention, but left out the bit about MS "believing" yadda-yadda. - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 17:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: 123, what policy states to include that piece of information?  You keep claiming "policy", but all you're quoting is this WP:LEAD thing, which is a guideline.  Let me repeat, it's a style GUIDELINE; it's not a violation of anything if there is not exactly X words in the intro.  While the GA review may have stated that lead expansion was needed, you've got two editors here who feel that this piece of information does not belong.  If you insist on a fatter intro, find something wotrthy of the intro, something with which a layman could be drawn into the article. "The system contains a 3.2 GHz tri-core PowerPC based CPU and a 500 MHz GPU" is not it. To respond to your arrogant edit summary, "There is no argument to be made, policy states to include it, it's included", if other editors disagree with your edits, there IS argument to be made.  Stop thinking you WP:OWN this article and play nice with others. - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 04:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article lead 

message: The article still lists Call of Duty 2 as the best-selling Xbox 360 game to date. Surely that's changed by now. The source listed is from 2005, and the Oblivion article claims that Oblivion is the best-selling 360 game so far (at 1.7 million copies). Can we get some up-to-date information on this?TheWarlock 19:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: COD2 has sold 1.4 million for the 360. Oblivion has sold 1.7 million copies for both PC and 360. The Oblivion article is misquoting things.123wiki123 23:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nonetheless, we need up-to-date sources on such things. VGCharts was last updated in March, and the market progresses more rapidly than that. I would not be surprised if Oblivion, GRAW, or Gears of War were currently the best-selling title. It's been a long time since launch. We don't want Wikipedia to be out of date, do we?TheWarlock 20:38, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't care about up to date information, we care about verifiability. If reliable sources are not found, then we will keep the information, even if already outdated. -- ReyBrujo 20:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best-selling game? 

message: Some Fans converted the 360 into a topnotch watercooled laptop with highres display -> Totalconversion to laptop. 
The German Hacking Group Chaos Computer Club puplished 17 Mistakes Microsoft Made in the Xbox Security System & Xbox 360 Hacking   showing a possible future roadmap to Linux on the 360 during its 22nd Chaos Communication Congress. --Nemissimo II 21:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modifications

message: This article is getting too long, and per WP:SIZE should be split soon in order to increase readability and relevance to readers. I feel that the  best section to split would be Xbox 360 Hardware, as it is very specific and could be confusing to some readers anyway. Splitting that out would significantly decrease the size problem while making the topic easier to follow. - Mamyles 22:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two things. First, if a user finds something confusing, don't remove it. Briefly explain it to them and be sure to wikilink anything the average user may not understand.. Second, read what's counted in size
"Readable prose" is the main body of the text, excluding sections such as:
*Footnotes and reference sections ("see also", "external links", footnotes, bibliography, etc) Bulk of the article size
*Diagrams and images 
*Tables and lists 
*Wikilinks and external URLs 
*Formatting and mark-up. 
Excluding those the article is ~4,500 words. 75% the  beginning of an article to long warning. As articles up to 10,000 words are considered acceptable. This page if less than half the length needed for major splits.123wiki123 23:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think a split would be reasonable, although not strictly necessary.  Alternatively, I've long supported trimming down the hardware section: we're an encyclopedia, not a spec shet. Nandesuka 23:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  split to Xbox 360 Hardware article? 

message: I have protected this article due to edit warring, any admin should feel free to unprotect it if protection is not required. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 13:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should someone who spells 'Leave me a message' '£€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€' really be allowed to protect pages? 82.32.8.6 21:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  PinchasC is an admin and therefore carries the rights (and the duty) to protect pages when the need arises. His signature style is irrelevant. - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 03:04, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected

message: The console model does change or at least the number changes. Small differences in manufacturing process and different components make the console units different. I'd like to see a list of console models, when they were released and what the changes might have been. I am holding off buying an xbox 360 until I can confirm they released a new model. I am not speaking of something like the differences between a ps ps1 or ps2 and ps2 slim. I've known so many people that have broken xbox 360's I do not want invest any money in a product that has a high potential of breaking in one year or less.
:Hum....getting too used to the PS/PS2-scheme huh?  Xbox has always been the same from the beginning to the end, functionality-wise.  There's no cost cutting stuff like removing the firewire port, and cutting output connectors, unlike that of the PS/PS2.  There will be a new model with 65nm CPU, but that's not going to change anything in terms of functionality.  In reality the faulty models are well exagerated, and they don't really break if it isn't faulty to begin with.  On the other hand, how many of the 100ks of PS/PS2s belong to the same owners? I've known people who bought 2, 3, 4, 5, even 6 PSs, and yet they complain nothing. I can't tell you what went wrong with those "borken" 360s, but all I can say is that the cause was found monthes ago and things are fine now. Kenimaru 09:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Model numbers and model changes. 

message: Why i s this page fully protected? I can find mistakes in the article that need to be revised/
i wish to correct  2999$ in Brazil to 299$
:Can  you find a reference for this price? Is that in dollars or reals? -- ReyBrujo 03:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- ReyBrujo 03:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y Is this page fully protected? t 

message: says that the Xbox 360 has sold 7,400,666 consoles. I wasn’t sure this was ‘official’ so I didn’t add it in.
:No, it is not. Although you could use a proxy article (that is, an article from a notable site quoting this one). -- ReyBrujo 18:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can quote the fiscal reports directly. What makes them unreliable is that they basically say that, if a console sold 1 unit per second during the past week, it will sell 1 unit per second during the next week. -- ReyBrujo 04:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consoles sold

message: Why is the text for 'technical problems' tucked away under form factor? Hempeater 20:51, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Form Factor/Technical Problems

message: No mention of the marketing campaign featuring the tagline 'Jump In'.  Maybe worth a mention? Steven 19:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jump In 

message: I see too much useless information in this article. Jmacns 23:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree, but I've already made one pass slashing it down.  Can you be more specific?  What in particular do you think is excess? Nandesuka 23:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe this should be cleaned up. 

message: This item is included as part of the non-core 360 pack instead of the Xbox Live Headset in Australia and New Zealand(Oceania) since Live simply isn't as popular over here where-as the DVD remote was a good seller for the original Xbox in this region.
I don't know why it was changed, as it is clearly still avliable...
I've since put the info that was removed back into the article, I see no reason why it should not be there.
BrotherEstapol 02:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Old" Media Remote. 

message: Hi new to xbox need to know what i need to go gaming online so many packages out there  I gues I should go for the 360 premimum just dont know what else is req any hints and help much apriciated —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.58.233.129 (talk) 18:30, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The information should be in the article. Remember that this is not a gaming forum, you should ask this kind of question at GameFAQs or NeoGAF, as we use these pages to talk about the article, not the topic. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 18:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  xbox 360 what do i need 

message: This line is incorrect, "Movies are available for rental, with an unlimited number of views in the first 24 hours after download." 
How it works is you download the movie in which you have 14 days before it expires. Once you start watching it, you have 24 to view it as many times as you wish before it expires. 
The marketplace page correctly lists "TV shows will be saved permanently while movies are only "rentals"; they will become unwatchable 24 hours after initial viewing or 14 days after purchase." although the wording of that is a bit confusing.70.225.164.9 21:13, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction Needed for Marketplace Video section 

message: "has since sold 6 million consoles worldwide", in the opening paragraph, is no longer accurate.  If you don't want to use reputable estimates like the 8.4 million reported by www.nexgenwars.com , at least say "well over 6 million".
:Sorry, all information must be verifiable, thus we cannot use nexgenwars as a source.  Dionyseus 02:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, I don't think you can call NGW "reputable" in any meaningful sense here.  The numbers on NGW are based on a linear equation that adds N consoles per minute based on previous official numbers and analyst estimates.  Not to mention, we're about a month away from official numbers from Microsoft. -- Sequentialorg 02:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: A better source will be needed before that claim can be in the article. If you read carefully, Moore's comment was a prediction, made before the console was even released. Dancter 04:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outdated numbers 

message: Has anybody else noticed something strange about the Xbox 360 page? I just visited it and directly under the photo of the console, there was an image of a man holding his penis. However, I refreshed the page and it was gone but I also discovered yesterday that there is a similar picture on baseball player Keith Kernandez's page. However, it appears these pictures appear only from time to time on the page and the history makes no mention of an image even being there! Are specific pages on Wikipedia under fire from hackers or virus makers?
Scooter8913 19:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture virus? 

message: The reading speed of PS3's blu-ray drive should be 9 MB/s instead of 4.5 MB/s displayed in the article. Can someone correct that? 
The error is found under "Storage" where it says "The Xbox 360 is equipped with a 12x DVD drive, capable of a maximum read rate of 16.0 MB/s, compared to Playstation 3's 4.5 MB/s."
 
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lonegun (talk • contribs) 09:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reading Speed of PS3 

message: Is it possible to play Xbox 360 gmaes on the PC since you are able to insert the controller into the PC? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scccscout (talk • contribs).
*NoBrooza 19:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox on the PC 

message: "Up to four controllers are supported by the Xbox 360, in either wired or wireless forms." I can swear that this is not true. Only 3 wired controllers are supported on the Xbox 360, unless anyone else has a different Xbox 360 from me. Could someone check, clarify and change accordingly?--Nighthawkzx 06:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, a USB hub can be used to provide the extra port for a fourth wired controller. Dancter 17:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controllers 

message: I cannot stand anonymous users vandalizing the page. It has gone long enough. Ihave to protect this article. Even though some of the anonymous users don't vandalize the page, We still need to protect it. Professional Gamer 14:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immidieately protect this article