Talk:Jafa

message: The following was printed on the 27th of January in The New Zealand Herald's Sideswipe section:
:<B>F</B>rom a free online encyclopaedia, Wikipedia, a <B>Jaffa (insult)</B> : "Jaffa is an acronym used to describe the inhabitants of greater Auckland, New Zealand, by Kiwis who do not live in the Auckland area (and by observant tourists who quickly pick up the local idiom). Auckland is a thriving, vibrant metropolis, and the word Jaffa conveys dislike for the success of Aucklanders who make up more than a quarter of the population of New Zealand.<BR>Aucklanders say the word indicates frustration and envy in the users. Jaffa is an acronym for Just Another F...wit From Auckland. It is sometimes spelt Jafa -- Just Another F...ing Aucklander."
Ugh. Crusadeonilliteracy 02:20, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sideswipe

message: This is obviously a very local term should other insulting meanings be added?  Jaffa meaning impotent (i.e. seedless) or is that already assumed about Aucklanders. ;) MeltBanana 16:30, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  other meanings 

message: Google search for "jafa OR jafas aucklander OR aucklanders" - 386. For "jaffa OR jaffas aucklander OR aucklanders" - 227, a number of which are hits on copies of the wikipedia article. I propose title change from "Jaffa (insult)" to "Jafa". Nurg 07:59, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The term has always been Just another fucking Aucklander, the double F does not appear in everyday speech (not ever). Scottbeck 22:29, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I also agree and I have moved the article to Jafa Tiles 09:00, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose change to article title

message: I have never heard of any violence against Aucklanders because they said they were from Auckland - I am an Aucklander who has travelled everywhere in New Zealand, and the only time I have ever had a negative reaction was from an old man in a Queenstown bar and at a Christchurch hotel - we certainly were not assaulted, or even sworn at. Perhaps some citation from a respectable source is needed?
Also the steriotype:
"The road safety campaign has the statistic that 65% of accidents on SH2 involve Aucklanders. Aucklanders are notorious for having accidents on this highway while driving SUV's to and from their summer cottages in Coromandel."
Now I have seen numerous Jafa joke books, Jafa test books and other Jafa books. That is the sort of comment that is meant to be funny and an overstatement in general. Personally, from having lived in Auckland for the past 15 years, I would say that that is untrue and doesn't belong in an encylopaedia. Consider:
*If you have ever been to Auckland you will note that the concentration of SUVs as you refer to them is not noticably larger than anywhere else (or maybe I am just used to it :-))
*The comment is made in a way that suggests that Aucklanders are bad drivers and therefore have lots of accidents. I would suggest that the 65% figure is resonable, considering that on a road coming from Auckland, the most populous area in New Zealand, most people will be from Auckland. (Maybe Transit hasn't thought of this)
*It is also said in a way which suggests everyone in Auckland has a bach in the Coromandel. Perhaps it should be rephrased, or just left out, because while a few people do own bachs on the Coromandel, I certainly can't name anyone that does (which must say something).
*Some citation needed, for the whole thing, really.
*Have removed the SUV, Coromadel comment, perhaps it can be replaced, rewritten, slighly more accurately.
-To the author of the above, consider that to most 'jafa' is used with humour and the page not only detailed some of the stereotypes but did so in a way that has humour.  Just because you've never heard of something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, isn't true, or worth noting.  I don't know how people learn through the exclusion of information.
::Well, like I said above, content that is meant to be humourous doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article as fact. If certain pieces of 'information' are meant to be humour, they should be located in a section called, Jaffa Jokes, or something. In my opinion, exclusion of information is better that misinformation.--HTait 00:33, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem Overstated, Sterotype Beyond Joke 

message: John has been removed, seeing, while he was Mayor of Auckland, he was born in Wellington, grew up in the country, and lived in Whangarei whilst in parliament. His 'attitude' comes from being the son of a man going in and out of prison throughout his childhood and his mother running an illegal abortion clinc in their house, and not from being an Aucklander. Therefore, I think it is totaly irrelivant: it is like saying Invercargill Mayor Tim Shadbolt is a Southlander. When he is in actual fact from Auckland.-HTait
:Oh well, look likes noone else had a problem with John's departure. Sorry, John... :-) --HTait 22:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Banks 

message: May I ask why there is a "See Also" to Helengrad? The term refers to Wellington/NZ in general, not Auckland. Does it need to be here? If people want a big list of NZ unique words/slang etc then perhaps there is a page for that, rather than just sticking one example all by itself on the Jafa page.
Maybe you should do that then, I'll help if you need it, I think it's a great idea and I think the meaning of Helengrad actually means the restricting policies and theories devised by the labor party as opposed to an actual place, anybody south of the Bombays cannot deny the extravagance of wellington and there are very few who criticize it. Citikiwi 05:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Helengrad

message: The unfortunate thing about this article is that it is very hard to cite references for comments except those such as tax take and roading etc. But I really don't think that New Zealanders believe that Aucklanders do not know of New Zealand south of the Bombay Hills. I am sure everyone has seen a map of New Zealand and possibly noticed that there is quite a sizable bulage underneath Auckland. "JAFAs supposedly do not know of New Zealand south of the Bombay Hills". Perhaps a more realistic comment is that Aucklanders have not heard of some smaller towns or can't pinpoint their locations on maps... --Taitey 08:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point that this is supposed to make is "Aucklanders don't know the REAL New Zealand!". Which is a point easy to make and hard to refute, as many such jabs are. (Adding my name tag a bit belatedly MadMaxDog 10:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The remark's point is that Aucklanders assume the rest of the country is just different geographic locations in which to live ignoring there were regional peliculauity or uniqueness.
what exactly is the real new zealand, and by inference what is the fake new zealand? i've lived in auckland for 4 years, and i can assure you it does exist and is not fake in anyway. although maybe the sentiment of some of it's inhabitants isInzy 22:38, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: What is your point, Inzy? I think its quite obvious from the article that 'real' and 'fake' New Zealand are very subjective terms. Its an article about stereotypes, after all. MadMaxDog 23:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: http://www.stuff.co.nz/3971045a10.html 
Titled "How to rattle a box of jafas"
Comment from a Wellington writer in The Dominion Post (a Wellington newspaper) regarding Aucklander's response to a series of earthquakes that occurred on 22 February 2007. I'm not sure if it warrants inclusion in the article yet. It is a "Poke fun at them" commentary.
What are the thoughts?
(Background for international audience: Wellington has frequent earthquakes and is on a major fault, while Auckland has very few, but is on a volcanic area). Alisterb 22:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the suggestion alisterb. I dont think Jafa needs more references for the simple existance of the usage, but if you like to add it, I don't think there would be objections.MadMaxDog 05:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Media Reference 

message: Swidesweep, interesting/useful commentary. Thought I'd quickly note it here because it could be useful for a reference in the article. Mathmo Talk 10:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in NZ Herald 

message: The section "The many types of JAFA" does not cite any references or sources. Without good cites, we have no way of knowing that this material is not simply the personal opinion of one or more editors. ( See Wikipedia:Verifiability )  "Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed."  ( Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Unsourced_material ) -- 201.37.229.117 (talk) 21:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ingolfson renamed it to "Typologies" but that doesn't help much; there's still no references or sources - and really, if this stuff belongs somewhere it's not in this articleSnori (talk) 13:29, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites, please 

message: "Alleged" appears several times. Given it is listed in words to avoid, maybe this should be changed? Format (talk) 05:07, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it's because of a lack of citations, as a lot of the article's contents can't be verified. --Lholden (talk) 10:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged

message: I've changed the definition from "Just another fantastic Aucklander" to "just another fucking Aucklander", which is the meaning the vast majority of users would understand it as.
119.224.94.110 (talk) 07:29, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fantastic"? 

message: Article stated, The term replaced the once-popular earlier derogatory term "Rangitoto Yank"
"Rangitoto Yank was never "once-popular" - I counted only eight four google hits that aren't mirrors or translations of this article (168 hits total), the referenced article never claimed it was popular or once-popular, and the term is still current - according to those eight four google hits. Compare that with over 2 million hits for "Jafa". Fan | talk 21:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rangitoto Yank 

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