Talk:Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)/Name

message: Will anyone mind if a disambiguation note is placed for the other two, Cristiano Ronaldo and Ronaldinho? This single name titles are really polluting the namespace... --Shallot 18:34, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single name titles 

message: Just a curiosity: Ronaldo is, in fact, known as Ronaldinho back in Brazil. And Ronaldinho is known as Ronaldinho Gaúcho. --Pinnecco 10:15, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronaldinho 

message: What's the source of this statement in the article: "During World Cup '94, he was given the name "Ronaldinho", to distinguish him from Ronaldão in the squad."?  As far as I know he was known as "Ronaldo" during 1994 FIFA World Cup, and the Brazil World Cup 94 squad doesn't have another player with a similar name.  --Pkchan 05:59, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was really a defender called Ronaldo as well, but he didn't played any match. Brazilian press (mostly TV Globo I would say), gave them the nick names Ronaldinho and Ronaldão (Big Ronaldo and Little Ronaldo, or Ronaldo the Great, Ronaldo the Small). I don't believe the nickname Ronaldinho ever caught outside Brazil. --Abu Badali 15:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The official squad lists in 1994 listed the two as Ronaldão (the defender) and Ronaldo (our buck-toothed friend).  It is at least partly a myth that Brazilians call Ronaldo 'Ronaldinho', his shirt name is always RONALDO for and in Brazil, and Ronaldinho Gaúcho's is always RONALDINHO.  They don't change their names willy-and-indeed-nilly, see the two Gilberto's in the 2006 squad. Mjefm 18:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronaldinho at World Cup 94 

message: Ronaldo → Ronaldo (disambiguation) and Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima → Ronaldo - This was recently moved (26 March) without prior poll. Ronaldo Luis is by far the most famous Ronaldo. … --josh (talk) 22:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support josh (talk) 22:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 13:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support josh (talk) 22:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 13:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Shouldn't this article be moved to Ronaldo Luíz Nazário de Lima and Ronaldo will automatically be redirected to it as this is his correct and full name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yonatanh (talk • contribs) 
:It's generally preferred to use people's common name when titling articles. eg. Pelé  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  13:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like suggested before, I also think "Ronaldo" should redirect to the disambiguation page. This Ronaldo will retire some day, and people will be more interested in reading about Portugese Cristiano_Ronaldo. Medico80 16:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I just looked; I don't think there is.  There is an article Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), which should really have a policy on Brazilians,  but WP:NC says:Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronaldo Luíz Nazário de Lima 

message: The given name "Ronaldo Luíz" is wrong.  The orthography of the name in Portuguese should be either "Luís" (with accute accent, ending with "s") or "Luiz" (no accent, with a "z"), but never "Luíz". (See, for example, the talk page on Lula.)  --HYC 14:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Name 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support  This individual may be the one most associated with "Ronaldo" in sport, but Wikipedia is ecumenical.   Ronaldo is a normal name, first or last, and I don't think that it's reasonable to presume that a search for it is a search for this individual.  ENeville (talk) 06:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
Can we agree that Ronaldo is a name used by many people, including many famous footballers.  (When I hear the name Ronaldo, I think of the footballer Cristiano Ronaldo.)
The Ronaldo article should list the various Ronaldos instead of assuming that people will only be interested in one of them.  I would suggest a good name for this article would be Ronaldo de Lima.  
I don't think that the link at the top of the page to Ronaldo (disambiguation) (which in turn redirects to the Ronaldo (name) page) is enough.  Other names shared by many famous people are all disambiguation sites, as this one should be. - Mjb1981 (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

text: You should have taken the silence as a no rather than a sure, go ahead. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 13:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: No the name should'nt be changed to Ronaldo de lima. First of all Cristiano Ronaldo wouldn't have become so well known and so popular so quick if their wasn't already an extremely well known player simply known as 'RONALDO'. Everybody knows Ronaldo for Ronaldo you never hear commentators in games say Ronaldo De Lima has scored! It's simply Ronaldo and has been for a very long time. IF you change Ronaldo's article to Ronaldo De Lima not many people will recognise who the player is. It should stay as Ronaldo for the original player, at least untill he retires. Just about everybody knows Cristiano Ronaldo's FIRST and LAST name. - Belija91 (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone who follows the English premiership knows Ronaldo to be Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody ever says Cristiano Ronaldo has scored, it is always just Ronaldo, just like Ronaldo de lima.  People looking for Cristiano Ronaldo will usually search for just Ronaldo, knowing the first name is not the same as knowing how to spell it.  It isn't as if Cristiano Ronaldo is a mundane player - he is considered by most to be the best player in the English Premiership.  All other articles has the person's full name, why is Ronaldo different?  I don't mind what it is changed to, but leaving it as just Ronaldo when there are others of similar fame is favouritism.  I'm not saying that Cristiano Ronaldo should be just Ronaldo, but the Ronaldo page should treat each player equally.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjb1981 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

text: This is not true.  Everyone refers to Cristiano Ronaldo as Ronaldo.Mjb1981 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, no they don't. Who is "everyone", and where is your evidence? PC78 (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying no-one knows his first name, but turn on the TV, or radio, and you'll hear him called Ronaldo, just Ronaldo.  Mjb1981 (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's a news segment, he'll be mentioned as Cristiano Ronaldo first, then Ronaldo from that point on, just like any other player. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 17:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But most people looking for the Wikipedia article would just type in Ronaldo, when he is discussed he is usually called Ronaldo, just as this Ronaldo is.  Mjb1981 (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's other people's laziness then. If they're football fans, they'll know typing in Ronaldo in a search will bring up the Brazilian. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 17:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that may be true, but for someone who only knows about the English Premiership, or someone who doesn't know that much about football, they may not know that, and may not know Cristiano Ronaldo's first name.  As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should give equal status to the two players and give unknowledgeable and lazy people just as much access as those who are knowledgeable.  Mjb1981 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
flagicom spain he has the spanish nacionality ans of Brazil birth and international footabll player with his selection  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.121.159 (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support  This individual may be the one most associated with "Ronaldo" in sport, but Wikipedia is ecumenical.   Ronaldo is a normal name, first or last, and I don't think that it's reasonable to presume that a search for it is a search for this individual.  ENeville (talk) 06:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
Can we agree that Ronaldo is a name used by many people, including many famous footballers.  (When I hear the name Ronaldo, I think of the footballer Cristiano Ronaldo.)
The Ronaldo article should list the various Ronaldos instead of assuming that people will only be interested in one of them.  I would suggest a good name for this article would be Ronaldo de Lima.  
I don't think that the link at the top of the page to Ronaldo (disambiguation) (which in turn redirects to the Ronaldo (name) page) is enough.  Other names shared by many famous people are all disambiguation sites, as this one should be. - Mjb1981 (talk) 23:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have taken the silence as a no rather than a sure, go ahead. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 13:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: No the name should'nt be changed to Ronaldo de lima. First of all Cristiano Ronaldo wouldn't have become so well known and so popular so quick if their wasn't already an extremely well known player simply known as 'RONALDO'. Everybody knows Ronaldo for Ronaldo you never hear commentators in games say Ronaldo De Lima has scored! It's simply Ronaldo and has been for a very long time. IF you change Ronaldo's article to Ronaldo De Lima not many people will recognise who the player is. It should stay as Ronaldo for the original player, at least untill he retires. Just about everybody knows Cristiano Ronaldo's FIRST and LAST name. - Belija91 (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone who follows the English premiership knows Ronaldo to be Cristiano Ronaldo, nobody ever says Cristiano Ronaldo has scored, it is always just Ronaldo, just like Ronaldo de lima.  People looking for Cristiano Ronaldo will usually search for just Ronaldo, knowing the first name is not the same as knowing how to spell it.  It isn't as if Cristiano Ronaldo is a mundane player - he is considered by most to be the best player in the English Premiership.  All other articles has the person's full name, why is Ronaldo different?  I don't mind what it is changed to, but leaving it as just Ronaldo when there are others of similar fame is favouritism.  I'm not saying that Cristiano Ronaldo should be just Ronaldo, but the Ronaldo page should treat each player equally.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjb1981 (talk • contribs) 00:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

text: This is not true.  Everyone refers to Cristiano Ronaldo as Ronaldo.Mjb1981 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 16:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, no they don't. Who is "everyone", and where is your evidence? PC78 (talk) 17:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying no-one knows his first name, but turn on the TV, or radio, and you'll hear him called Ronaldo, just Ronaldo.  Mjb1981 (talk) 17:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's a news segment, he'll be mentioned as Cristiano Ronaldo first, then Ronaldo from that point on, just like any other player. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 17:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But most people looking for the Wikipedia article would just type in Ronaldo, when he is discussed he is usually called Ronaldo, just as this Ronaldo is.  Mjb1981 (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's other people's laziness then. If they're football fans, they'll know typing in Ronaldo in a search will bring up the Brazilian. - Dudesleeper /  Talk 17:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that may be true, but for someone who only knows about the English Premiership, or someone who doesn't know that much about football, they may not know that, and may not know Cristiano Ronaldo's first name.  As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia should give equal status to the two players and give unknowledgeable and lazy people just as much access as those who are knowledgeable.  Mjb1981 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
flagicom spain he has the spanish nacionality ans of Brazil birth and international footabll player with his selection  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.25.121.159 (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion