Talk:SNCF

message: Would like to add a link to the wiki page on Yellow train.Any objections?
:Go for it dude... 68.39.174.238 00:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: The link to "Collection of Google Earth locations of SNCF stations" give me an "access denied", so I think that that link have to be removed. JanusDC (talk) 20:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Access denied 

message: I used 77,00 because the text in this article is "transported nearly 77,000 Jews and other Holocaust victims from France to Nazi camps, according to historians."  I think that is very clear writing and that is how I phrased that opening paragraph as well. I also think that's the better number to include because it more accurately counts all victims. JamaUtil (talk) 21:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see we have reached a consensus. Yes, the seventy-seven thousand number seems to be correct I misread part of the article I cited yesterday: out of these 77k, almost 76k were French. I agree that the assertions of authors are not usually cited in Wikipedia, but it is a personal point of view of the author (and supported by the BBC as it was published) since there isn't any official document related to that. In addition, SNCF opened its archives in 1996 for the French to show its acts were mandatory under German orders. Xionbox (talk) 16:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, almost a consensus.  I would still like to know if this is the correct translation, the subtitle of that article you added says the SNCF public regrets ARE DIRECTLY linked to the contracts.  The byline says, "Dans l'espoir de décrocher de juteux contrats aux Etats-Unis, la SNCF a reconnu son rôle dans la déportation des Juifs."  Which Google believes translates to, "In hopes of getting lucrative contracts in the United States, the SNCF has acknowledged his role in deporting Jews."  Isn't that exactly what the BBC reporter claimed as well? JamaUtil (talk) 19:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't had the time to reedit this article tonight, but will add, once more, the fact that the SNCF opened its archives in 1996 and has been apologizing for its acts in 2000 as stated in document on page 2: SNCF maintains these documents in its historic archives, which have been open and accessible to the public since 1996 . Then on page 4: SNCF has made solemn public statements of acknowledgment and regret since 2000.  The most recent statement was made by CEO Guillaume Pepy in November 2010. There is another precision which is of interest: As a result over 600 workers were executed by the Germans, and over 1,200 French railroad workers were deported on French trains to German camps. (page 3). That would be great if you could add these; if not, I'll add this information tomorrow my-self. Xionbox (talk) 20:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is useful information, but it needs to come from a third-party source (not SNCF). We need to find someone else who recognizes that these apologies aren't really the first apologies by SNCF.  So far, every source is reporting the November event as the first expression of sorrow, and the January event as the first public apology.  Maybe you can find an article that documents the opening of the archives in 1996 or can find an article about these apologies in 2000, but for the current third-party sources are treating these more recent events as notable and that is why they're in Wikipedia. JamaUtil (talk) 03:22, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  76,000 vs 77,000 

message: Doesn't seem to be very encyclopedic language.  Applied to a picture of a Class 21000 electric locomotive in the "Business Scope" section.  Unless SNCF calls it "broken nose", the term (or pseudonym as the case may be) should be excluded.
71.181.168.242 (talk) 06:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Broken nose style"?

message: One has to distinguish between the EPIC SNCF and the companies governed by private law which are the other part of the SNCF Group. --L.Willms (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't confuse SNCF with SNCF Group 

message: Hello again to anyone who is watching this page. In discussion late last year, I mentioned that I was working on a more complete version of the "France" section within Holocaust train#Modern day legacy. This is now ready and I have left a proposal at Talk:Holocaust_train#Inaccuracies_in_Modern_day_legacy:_France. I hope that editors from this page will be available to review this. Thanks, Jerry M. Ray (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holocaust train France Section 

message: Hello, I see that an unregistered editor made some changes to this article today that Nick-D has undone. However, I noticed that the page is still twice as long as it should be. It appears an editor copied the whole article and pasted it in again so now the article repeats about half way down the page. You can see the edit here. Can and editor here correct this? Thanks, Jerry M. Ray (talk) 19:03, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I took care of it.  Cheers!  72.207.200.92 (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Duplication 

message: A recent development in SNCF's operations is its strategic agreement with Israel Railways, which was signed on November 17th. My proposal is that a short statement about this event be added into this article's "Modern day" history. As I have explained previously on this page, since I work as a consultant for SNCF, it is preferable for other editors to assess my suggestions and make any changes in the article that they feel are appropriate. 
Here is my suggestion:
:On November 17, SNCF signed a strategic agreement with Israel Railways to invest in that company's development and modernization. The two companies had originally established a partnership in 2000. The new agreement builds upon the existing partnership, to include new commitments to assisting Israel Railways in training train drivers, developing and modernizing stations, improving passenger information and upgrading rolling stock for freight.
I hope that editors will consider this addition. Thanks, Jerry M. Ray (talk) 15:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Jerry.  I agree that the article should have more content about the present day company.  I will be taking two weeks off work over the Christmas/New Year period, and will therefore have more time to edit than usual.  If you want to make some further suggestions about additional material, I suggest that you make them now, and I will have a look at all of them (including your suggestion above) during my break.  Bahnfrend (talk) 02:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Not done: please discuss the requested edit with involved editors first in order to establish a consensus for this alteration. Sam Sailor Sing 19:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information on Israel Railways agreement 

message: An editor named Boundandheard has added information to the section SNCF#World War II that presents a biased and incorrect view of the SNCF's operations during this period of time. I want to invite editors to assess this latest addition and consider its removal. For those who may not be aware, I work as a consultant for SNCF, so rather than making any changes here myself I ask that other editors consider my suggestions and make such changes in the article as appropriate.
The difficulty, one of several, with the new material in the section is that it draws from a biased source, the website for the Coalition for Holocaust Rail Justice, which is an advocacy website focused on pursuing SNCF for reparations. I do not believe this is a reliable source for this article, as its historical views are not neutral and are unsupported by facts. Additionally, the editor has added a new link to the executive summary of the Bachelier Report, commissioned by SNCF to detail the history of the SNCF during WWII, which appears to have been the primary source for some of this addition. However, the editor adding this material has taken a narrow, cherry-picking approach to the source, as well as including details that do not appear at all in this summary report. Let me explain this in more detail:
 
*The material they added states that "SNCF retained control and responsibility for the deportations", however in the report Bachelier explains in detail how SNCF (as a French government organization) was under the control of the Nazi German occupation, that the German authorities had power to choose who was in leadership of the organization, and that senior SNCF officials were at times during the war arrested and placed into prisoner of war camps for non-cooperation. Failure to immediately submit to Nazi command was met with execution of the worker and their spouse and children. Some 800 SNCF workers were executed, mostly by axe, and another 1,200 were deported to the death camps and were murdered there. Additionally, the report explains that the decision to undertake the deportations and their implementation were under the jurisdiction of Nazi German military command and WVD (the transportation of the Nazi German army). It is clear from this context that SNCF was operating under the complete control of the Nazi occupying forces and that responsibility for the deportations fell to the Nazi-puppet Vichy government (which was recognized by the United States). 
*Likewise, while the report does mention that no official protest from SNCF is present in historical record, from the context of the report's description of the power over the SNCF's senior management, it is abundantly clear why this would be the case. 
*The report gives no mention of the complaints allegedly made about Red Cross workers slowing down deportation schedules. 
*Regarding invoicing for payment of deportations, the report does state that SNCF submitted invoices, but that these were for general use of SNCF passenger and baggage cars by the occupying forces. There is no mention that invoices or payments were for deportations. In fact, the one invoice presented has been proven to be unrelated to Jewish deportations. 
To summarize, the Bachelier Report does not provide an "different perspective" from that offered by Michael Marrus and Serge Klarsfeld. It has been purposefully misrepresented in this addition.  I am interested to hear from independent editors as to what may be done with this addition. Pending this additional analysis, I strongly request that this addition be promptly deleted. Jerry M. Ray (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: After considering the edit and Jerry's post, I have reverted the edit.  I do not have a copy of the whole of the Bachelier Report, and therefore cannot comment on its entire contents.  What I can say is that I am not convinced that the Coalition for Holocaust Rail Justice website is a reliable source.  To be reliable, a source does not have to be neutral.  However, only the final sentence of the edit was supported by the executive summary linked to the website, and the assertion that the "SNCF retained control and responsibility for the deportations" is contradicted by page 4 of the executive summary, which clearly states that the French operated the network and the Germans supervised its operations (as one would expect, given that the Germans occupied most of France at the time).  Further evidence that the source is unreliable is the assertion on the website that "SNCF even submitted invoices for the deportations and pursued payment after the liberation of Paris"; the document linked to that assertion is a covering letter dated 12 August 1944, a date nearly two weeks before the Germans surrendered Paris (25 August 1944), and refers only to "transportation", and the invoices said to have been attached to the covering letter are not included in the upload. Bahnfrend (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much, Bahnfrend, for removing the inaccurate information. I should also let you and any others watching this page know that SNCF has been in the news in the United States recently, due to a project awarded to their subsidiary, Keolis and an additional high-profile project that this subsidiary is bidding upon. This might draw a certain amount of attention back to this article, so if you (or any other editors, for that matter) are able to keep an eye on this page in case additional biased information is added, I think that would be helpful, although I will certainly be watching as well. Jerry M. Ray (talk) 19:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased information in WWII section 

message: SNCF is now composed of corporate management and two divisions: SNCF Réseau (infrastructure, formerly Réseau Ferré de France) and SNCF Mobilité (operations). This page and the following pages all need to be organized to reflect the current status of SNCF and railways in France: Réseau Ferré de France, SNCF Infra, Gestionnaire d’Infrastructure Unifié. I don't have time to do this right now or else I would (or will) do it myself. Refer to the French version of this page as well as this link. AHeneen (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Removed the NTV stake they liquidated.
Quite a few of those listed are out of date, and either do not function or have been reorganised.
These should be updated to fit with what is the current situation AlbusWulfricDumbledore (talk) 16:41, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defunct or outdate stakes information  

message: The lead describes "French National Railway Company" as a literal translation of "Société nationale des chemins de fer français". I'm not sure if this is the most appropriate wording, as to my mind a "literal translation" is a translation which intends to demonstrate things like the grammar of a different language or the etymology of its vocabulary rather than demonstrate what the thing being translated actually means in common usage. It may be preferable to simply say that "Société nationale des chemins de fer français" means "French National Railway Company" without specifying whether or not that translation is "literal" or not. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 03:55, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literal translation? 

message: I'm puzzled as to why the 2nd section of the "Business Scope" section is devoted to one country, particularly as both the tenders considered there do not seem to have been completed. Shouldn't this information be in the following section, if it is needed? But it's been there at least 5 years so I'm hesitant to delete it without checking. Chris55 (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there a level 3 section titled "United Kingdom"? 

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