Talk:Art in Nazi Germany

message: A picture tells a thousand words and would seems especially important in a n article about paintings.  I've had a look on Commons but haven't been able to find anything useful. The Otto Dix painting from his article asserted fair use for an important painting, can we do the same? There are a couple of websites with what are important examples of Nazi art such as  Adolf Wissel's, Farm Family from Kahlenberg, can we copy from those websites without copyvio problems?KTo288 14:54, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: I am currently writing a paper about nazi promoted art and I am astonished at how the subject of "nazi art" is treated. Most, if not all, treaties and catalogs about german art of the 20th century state there is no art between 1933 and 1945. Peter Adam quote Nikolaus Pevsner in his introduction (p.7) : "every word about it is too much". This seems to still be the rule, at least in nearly all of the english and french sources I have consulted. This is why I propose to add a section to this article titled "Art history controversy" and explain the lack of work, information and interest in this field of research. Any objections?
And congratulations for the author of this article to have been able to avoid the trap in which Adam fails miserably: the art of the Third Reich "cannot be considered in the same way as the art of any other periods. One can only look at [it] through thelens of Auschwitz". (p.9)
(This is one of many ridiculous statements I would like to discuss and comment; they always come alone, unjustifed, based on the premise that nazi art is pure propaganda decided entirely by the state, assertion that a study of the social context proves wrong.)
Icitonpere 21:39, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A section dealing with the judgments of art historians would be welcome. The postwar invisibility of much of this work has often been noted (e.g. William Feaver, "German Art in the Seesaw Century", ARTnews December 1985) and warrants mention here. While Adam's statement may seem dogmatic, his book is a main source for this article, and recognizes the complexity of the subject—exemplified by the position of artists like Nolde (Nazi supporter condemned as degenerate artist), Georg Schrimpf (not a party member, the Nazis liked his work for a few years before deciding he was degenerate), or Franz Radziwill (joined party out of opportunism, ignored warnings about his art & soon expelled). Ewulp 00:47, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  My condemnation of such an important work on the subject may seem a little strong; I only meant to point the fact that no one would seriously take in account an article saying something as « one can only look at the construction of pyramids through the lens of slavery » Icitonpere 03:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art history problems 

message: This article glosses over the fact that there was a vigorous debate between 1933 and 1937 on whether modernism could be adapted to Nazi ideology. Pre-Nazi ginger groups like the German Art Society and the Combat League for German Culture who advocated classical realism were not initially incorporated into the cultural apparatus of the Nazi state. Indeed there was a struggle for supremacy between adherents of Nordic Expressionism such as Goebbels and realists such as Alfred Rosenberg. Artists for the Reich by Joan L. Clinefelter details some of this. Moreover I think this article is in danger of falling into that post-hoc narrative that inevitably equates classicism with totalitarianism and modernism with democracy which Leon Krier discusses in Krier on Speer. Twospoonfuls (ειπέ) 17:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Realism vs Modernism

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message: (Before making suggestions on this topic I would like to preface my remarks by saying that I am a student at Denison University and submitting suggestions as a class exercise.)
Although this article maintains a wide scope of information--mostly historical in nature--I believe that an addition of theory may be applicable--in all areas--but specifically in the realm of music. I may be incorrect in my assertions, however, I maintain that there is much scholarly research on the the study of music incorporated in the Third Reich. The question that fuels this study is whether or not Hitler or his master propagandists had agency over the messages being sent by Wagner, Schoenberg, Beethoven, etc. If so, then how did he make the music indexical? How did Germans draw similar signification while listening to these composers? Basically, how was the "German-ness" constructed? This is a topic I want to explore in this piece, and help parse together. I propose that there is an addition to the music headline, allowing for the readers to enter the conversation that scholars are having about German collective identity, portrayed through music. I believe that theories of semiotics, frame analysis and interpretive communities could be useful. I understand that I will have to first submit my addtions via this page to be criticized, but I felt that a discussion and/or a heads up was needed. Tell me what you guys think!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabailey223 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music and collective identity of the Third Reich 

message: :The following discussion is closed.  Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.  
I would like to move this article to Nazi art for a couple of reasons:
*Brevity and clarity - "Nazi" is shorter and not everybody knows the term "Third Reich"
*Consistency with other pages like Nazi architecture, Nazi archaeology, or Nazi concentration camps.
*The term "Third Reich" was a propaganda term adopted by the Nazis to legitimize their dictatorship as a continuation of the Holy Roman Empire (Reich 1) and the German Empire (Reich 2). I generally steer clear of uncritically adopting the term. See: Nazi Germany#Name or :de:Drittes Reich, which is an extensive German page addressing the term "Third Reich".
I don't imagine there are a lot of people who would object but if there are no objections in a couple of weeks, I'll perform the move.-Ich (talk) 01:43, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Dimadick: That's another good point - the title as it stands limits the scope to Nazi art before and during the war. Thanks.-Ich (talk) 15:21, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I'd rather it didn't. In fact I would rather it be renamed with a more descriptive "art in Nazi Germany." Mark Schierbecker (talk) 08:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
This really should have been proposed as a proper WP:RM move request -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 00:37, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move to "Nazi art" (2015) 

message: Reading this Web page, in particular chapter 4.1 Painting, it is quite difficult to understand if it was copied from Wikipedia's Nazi Art page or vice-versa. They say they sourced the text from World Heritage Encyclopedia, and in fact that's so, with notes, references and all the rest. If they sourced from Wiki, they should at least make a citation. Don't they? Carlotm (talk) 07:44, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: They do, sort of, almost. See the small print at the bottom: "... World Heritage Encyclopedia content is assembled from numerous content providers, Open Access Publishing, and in compliance with The Fair Access to Science and Technology Research Act (FASTR), Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., Public Library of Science, The Encyclopedia of Life, Open Book Publishers (OBP), PubMed ....".  A very dubious effort if you ask me - it seems a pretty comprehensive scrape of Wikipedia, as at an unspecified date.  Johnbod (talk) 11:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: Among the Individual NSDAP artists, Writers section, I can read the name of Trygve Gulbranssen. How so? Carlotm (talk) 06:12, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: The section describes almost exlusively classical music. What about popular music?Xx236 (talk) 07:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Some comments are needed, the current list is a trash.
:Dead classical writers like Goethe should be selected.
Xx236 (talk) 07:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: B. Traven - his connection to the Third Reich should be sourced, at the moment I'm removing the name form the list.Xx236 (talk) 07:57, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

text: A big part of the page has been written by User:Elizabeth.Fleming (unsourced, the editor perished). The text sould be soiurced and verified.Xx236 (talk) 08:12, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
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