Talk:Narcotic

message: This statement is false: "When used in a legal context in the U.S., a narcotic drug is one that is totally prohibited, such as heroin, or one that is used in violation of governmental regulation." Narcotic does not refer exclusively to illegal drugs. For example, WI Chapter Phar 961.18(5) lists Schedule III narcotic drugs, which are not "totally prohibited." . There are many examples throughout federal and state law showing narcotics are legal in the correct setting. 
Why doesn't this page give the mechanism of narcotics?
: Because narcotics is a legal distinction, and does not indicate any specific group of drugs.  The list of mechanisms would be long, as it is different from barbiturates (which do share mechnaism with benzodiazapines and other sedative-hypnotics), canabis, opioids, stimulants (and there are differences between them), and hallucinogens are all over the place.
What is the list of recreational drugs and laws regarding them doing here?
Beats me.  Very few of them are narcotics.
: Narcotics are defined by statue.  If a drug is prohibited, it is listed as a narcotic.  All narcotics are prohibited from recreational use.  It is a legal term, not a medical term.  Use of 'narcotic' by physicians in any discussion should not be taken to mean opioids, etc. as it is an imprecise use of language where usually a more precise term may not be understood.  E.g. it can be a challenge to even get physicians and pharmacists to use 'opioid' ↦ i.e. a drug acting on the endorphin/morphine receptors, and 'opiate' ↦ i.e. a drug derived from opium or poppy straw, correctly.  Regardless of how pople use the term, 'narcotic' is a legal distinction and not a biological one.  Older texts refer to any drug that has soporific effects, including non-ilicit drugs like scopoloamine.
This page needs a major overhaul. - KneeLess 13:08, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Narcotic

message: Is it possible to get a list of the various kinds of narcotics on this page? I think that would be very helpful. 209.173.14.125 13:27, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a huge list of most opioids in the opiate article at the very bottom and alcohol is clearly shown as a narcotic in this article already, so I'm not sure a list is necessary, it would be useful but probably not worth the time it would take.--Bigfootisreal (talk) 07:16, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Narcotics 

message: The World Health Orginization (WHO) define a drug as 
Should this be mentioned? Dfrg.msc  02:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition of drug is totally irrelevant to the narcotic article. The definition of narcotic most definitely is important but not the definition of drug. --Bigfootisreal (talk) 07:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Anyone know why there is a link to Christianity in the "See Also" section of the article?  Just want to check to see if there is something I'm missing, before I remove it.  --Anietor 21:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity link? 

message: I looked at various definitions on dictionary.com and can't see why it's wrong to classify cocaine, marijuana and so on as narcotics, so it would be POV to state it outright.  It's etymology is rooted in a substance causing a stupor--same with the word "narcosis."  The most strict definitions even make an addition stating that it can be "opiumlike."  Also, cocaine and many other drugs classified as "stimulants" do affect opiate receptors.  =Nathan J. Yoder 16:38, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is straight from www.m-w.com:
 Main Entry: 1nar·cot·ic
 Pronunciation: när-'kä-tik
 Function: noun
 Etymology: Middle English narkotik, from Middle French narcotique, from narcotique, adjective,
 from Medieval Latin narcoticus,  from Greek narkOtikos, from narkoun to benumb, from narkE numbness
 1 a : a drug (as opium or morphine) that in moderate doses dulls the senses, relieves pain, and
 induces profound sleep but in excessive doses causes stupor, coma, or convulsions
   b : a drug (as marijuana or LSD) subject to restriction similar to that of addictive narcotics
 whether physiologically addictive and narcotic or not
 2 : something that soothes, relieves, or lulls
It is very clear from the above definition that 1a is the correct definition, and that 1b is based upon legal definition.  Cocaine does not induce sleep.  --Thoric 15:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No, not at all.  You are confusing entymology of a term with what it currently means.  In current use, only time 'narcotic' is used with anything close to an explicit meaning is in statutes and regulations where it is typically defined precisely.  If alcohol is not part of a legal definition then it has zero relevance to this discussion.  Citing a single source from a group with an axe to grind is not productive use of WP. --DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of narcotic 

message: Why is the "US legal system"s mistake the most prominent part of this article. They think speed is a weapon of mass destruction, amusing but not relevant. The article on Television isn't prefaced by what the taleban think of it. Why should another bunch of fundamentalist terrorists and their mistaken laws colour this article.
83.70.239.47 15:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suspect it is because the majority of authors and editors are from the US.  I don't think the US considers 'speed' (a generic term for a class of stimulant amines) a weapon, but it is classified  as a narcotic in legal circles which don't care about the entymology but rather the current use of the word.--DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What they're not 

message: Why does the article distinguish between USA and "rest of the world"? A very odd and non-neutral weight given to a third world country ... If anything, it should distinguish between a developed country like France or Sweden and the rest of the world. E.g. "In Sweden the term "narcotic" means this ... in the rest of the world, it means ..." --Law Lord (talk) 18:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its because users are being careful to provide the context of use of a term when the debate is about what a term means.  You would not be able to discuss the discussion of what 'lift' means without being expclicit about how a group uses the term.  When commenting on a discuission like this, knowing the context of the author is important to distinguish given how terms are used in different countries.  There is nothing that excludes what France considers a narcotic, although I suspect there is more about that on the French language Wikipedia.--DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

text: While I suspect that this is just USA-bashing (which I, as a disgruntled American, support whole-heartedly, but not here on wikipedia), the reason that the US is called out here specifically is because we have a specialized definition for the word narcotic that is not shared by the rest of the world.  If Sweden or France used the word differently, then it would be called out similarly.  May I suggest you read the article on first-world?  Those definitions were created during the Cold War to describe a nation's affiliation with NATO and capitalism (first-world), Soviet Russia (second-world), and countries that chose to remain outside of the conflict (third-world). It has since been distorted to refer to a nation's economic state, but in either case, the US is not a third-world nation.  Steve CarlsonTalk 23:44, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As do several other countries, and for the the same reason. The "Narcotic" laws have been extended to include other drugs. For example, in AUS, Narcotic Drugs Act 1967 [] is based on the United Nations  "Single Convention On Narcotic Drugs, 1961" which includes "HEROIN" and "CANNABIS and CANNABIS RESIN"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.18.240 (talk) 02:45, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

text: That is not a POV that would be germain to include on a WP article.  Perhaps your local editorial page would be a more suitable venue.  --DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA versus Rest of the World 

message: Narcotic is a precise term for chemicals with an established toxicology mode of action, it is not an imprecise definition. The confusion comes from the the incorrect use of the term narcotic to refer to drugs such as opiates which operate by very different modes of action. This incorrect terminology is not only specific to the US. The modes of action of non-narcotic recreation drugs is well established and not controversial. About 80% of organic chemical are thought to have their primary mode of toxicity through a narcotic mode of action. While narcotics are well known to alter the nature of the lipid layer on the outside of cells (most prominently nervous tissue, hence the effects), there are still competing hypotheses of how narcotics work on the cell membrane. The article as written is essentially correct, but could use some mechanistic descriptions of the mode of action of narcotics142.176.56.97 (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The word 'narcotic' is used by different people to mean different things, see for example the UN "Single Convention On Narcotic Drugs, 1961" and all derived legislation. At present this article notes the ambiquity, but then does not make clear which definition will be used.218.214.18.240 (talk) 02:44, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Narcotic" is used in specific circumstances only when it is defined by statue.  It does not apply to a group of drugs based on biology.  Furthermore, you are incorrect about what you say about lipid bilayers that are on all cells just the same.  There are not competing hypothesis about how opioids, amphetamines, cocaine, THC, benzodiazapines, barbiturates, etc. work--they have different mechanisms which is why they have different effects.  Please do a bit more research before speaking in absolutes. --DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narcotic is a Precise Term 

message: At the top of the page the article states that drugs like marijuana and LSD are not narcotics.  However, later in the page they are listed as examples.  Perhaps someone who is knowledgeable about the subject could edit the list of examples, since obviously at least LSD is a hallucinogen and not a narcotic.
76.118.143.136 (talk) 05:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As pointed out by the top of the article, law enforcement uses the word "narcotic" to refer to just about any controlled substance.  Medically narcotics are generally limited to opioids.  Historically, the term refers to any substance which is capable of putting someone to sleep (which would certainly rule out cocaine, amphetamines and LSD).  Perhaps we just need to make this more apparent in the article -- which substances are historically, scientifically and legally classified as "narcotics".  I think a table would prove most useful.  --Thoric (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has been bugging me for a long time, so I finally went ahead and tried to clarify that the term simply means different things in different contexts - it is not "wrong" per se for law enforcement officials to refer to cocaine as a narcotic, since legally, it is defined as one, however imprecise that may be. This broad legal use is not limited to the United States, so if we could establish a common legal meaning (opioids + cocaine presumably) we could avoid US bias. St3vo (talk) 19:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of drugs/substances at the bottom needs to be converted into a table showing in which context they are considered to be narcotics.  --Thoric (talk) 22:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies 

message: I propose making this article a disambugation article.
It may refer to 
- Sedative agent
- Narcotic (Illegal drug)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.190.151 (talk) 09:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambugation

message: It's analogous to having an article entitled "Bad Word" or "Yummy!"98.64.162.7 (talk) 06:32, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this article exist? 

message: The article mentions effects on the "CNS" without any explanation of what this means. I'm guessing "Central nervous system" but someone who knows for sure could you please add this in? No real encyclopaedia article would introduce an acronym without giving its definition. --LeakeyJee (talk) 05:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "CNS"???? 

message: somebody reverted my change to a bottle of heroin as the picture to this article to a glass of red wine. why? I think heroin is a more recognizable narcotic and opiates what most people think of when they hear the word "narcotic" Dirtyfilthy (talk) 06:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glass of wine vs heroin bottle as picture 

message: trying to find _reliable source_ info on fda and pharm companies dubiously marketing drugs as "non-narcotic"...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.73.27.126 (talk) 23:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "non-narcotic" section... 

message: I don't understand why this article leads with saying narcotics are a pie. I don't know how to edit it either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.140.104 (talk) 21:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Narcotic is about a pie? 

message: Hey, so the pronunciation at the start of the article is the north American pronunciation, but people in the UK, Australia, etc pronounce it /nɑːˈkɒt.ɪk/. I'd change it myself but I have no idea about the whole editting pronunciation thing. Thanks 124.170.29.178 (talk) 14:31, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I'd like to call attention to some issues with this article. A few of the sections have random words that need to be removed and are also structured in a non-encyclopedic fashion. For example:
:608 F.2d 1135
:United States Court of Appeals, Eighth Circuit. Decided Oct. 31, 1979. LAY, Circuit Judge.
:John Arthur Stieren appeals from....If cocaine is to be reclassified, defendant's arguments should be made to the legislative branch, not the courts.
:We hold that Congress had a rational legislative purpose when it classified cocaine as a Schedule II narcotic drug for the purpose of imposing penalties.
:JUDGMENT AFFIRMED.''
I hope that example makes it obvious. I will do some work to this at some point but for now I just want to call attention to it. The specific sections that need help are: UNODC terminology and information on drugs, Studies on the definition of counterfeit medicines in WHO member states, Lexicon of alcohol and drug terms published by the World Health Organization,  United States Code of Federal Regulations,  US v Stieren, History.
To sum it up, there are a lot of stray words and the material seems like it was just copy/pasted from another website. Also, the non-narcotic section needs to be expanded on and needs a new link to a main article. Charles35 (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed this article is quite a mess. There's clearly argument between the conventional usage of the word, its derivation, and the peculiar US legal definition. The History section only seems to have the history of the etymology, rather than a history of narcotics in general, which is a more interesting subject.Gymnophoria (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  article needs work 

message: I replace "heroin" with "codeine" in the section that talked about strictly controlled drug in the United States. In the U.S., heroin is a Schedule I drug and is not legal in any circumstance except DEA approved research.
:That is a strict control.  Heroin is defined as a narcotic in every statute in the US. They use different terms to classify controled substances in different juristictions.  But, in the US, the only time "narcotic" ever has a meaning is when it is defined in statute or regulation.  There is no other use of "narcotic" that has a precise meaning that would be subject of a WP article.--DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroin 

message: It might be best to move the various other meanings to a disambiguation page. While at it a reference to the hit by Liquido should be added. Any objections? 2A02:8109:9340:112C:E4AF:DA3B:A009:A8AD (talk) 00:26, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: This article needs to be split in two.  It currently contains a mishmash of:
* Narcotics (legal treatment); and
* Narcotics (scientific definition).
Strangely, the Narcotics (disambiguation) page that is linked to in the first paragraph does not even refer to this article! Fixed.
Finally, the two articles that result from splitting this will require some major rewriting and formatting changes.  I am happy to do some of this, but suggest that the split needs some consensus (e.g. titles) before any definitive change is made - and I do not have the skills or time to create a new Wikipedia article.  Yet. Ambiguosity (talk) 07:40, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no scientific definition of a narcotic. It does not applly to a group of substances with similar effects or chemistry.  The only time it is used with any sort of precision is in legal statues where the term is typically very precisely defined. Legal definitions and science are not remotely connected.  --DrKC MD (talk) 23:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is two articles that have been jammed into one 

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