Talk:Final Fantasy XII/Archive 1

message: all i have to really say is.......Micheal Jackson....WTF? come-on, i dont buy for a second that micheal jackson is the guy who is the voice of the characters, nor angelina jolie or jennifer aniston. Please provide some kind of evidence before adding such material. This is vandalism without support. The person who added this material is user: 85.166.181.249 Tik 16:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English version cast

message: Final Fantasy XII is the next title in the Final Fantasy Series. It will be for the Playstation 2 console. Orignally Squaresoft planned for Final Fantasy X to be the last title, before the series was to go online. However, Hironobu Sakaguchi, the series' director has confirmed that the Final Fantasy saga will continue. It is expected to be released in 2005.
:If "Orignally Squaresoft planned for Final Fantasy X to be the last title, before the series was to go online." was posted in the actual article, it'd be deleted so fast it'd make your head spin. Please don't use Wikipedia to spread ludicrous fan-spawned rumors. Druff 21:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um. It *WAS* the last title BEFORE IT WENT ONLINE. 67.5.157.106 06:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: about the game

message: We need a LOT more pics for this article.  I'm surprised there aren't that many for such an anticipated game.  I will find some and upload what I can.Amren 01:35, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, you have a point.  I'm going to add one more pic to the gameplay section and that's it :).Amren 00:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pics

message: In the official Final Fantasy XII demo that came with Dragon Quest VIII, the summons were called Espers.  The change to the article was made stating that summons are called Espers, then reversed for being "unconfirmable".  In the official Final Fantasy XII Playable Demo Manual, page 3, under "Summon", it states "Summon a powerful Esper to fight for you" --QubitOtaku 03:55, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize. I haven't played the demo yet, and I used to wrong search engine to check on it. I've readded it to the article. ~ Hibana 05:30, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Summoned Creatures 

message: About the release dates, if they are not official, then the article should state that they are approximations.  I have found 2 official sources for release dates (one was made obsolete by the other).  The Japanese Release date is accurate to the exact day, but the exact North American release date is still only an approximation.  No where could I find anything that hints at a release date for Europe. 
Sources:
*SQUARE ENIX TO SHIP FINAL FANTASY® XII IN JAPAN MARCH 16, 2006
It mentions the North American release date will be later in the year.  I will go ahead and update the main page until sources are found. -- QubitOtaku 22:49, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can not find anywhere that says that the release date is August 1, 2006. As of right now I think it is just speculation since Square-Enix has hinted towards an August release at one of their recent shows. Some changed the release date back to August 1st, but I fixed it. --Ichigo 18:57, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this http://www.ffxii.com/article_Final-Fantasy-XII-news_11.html . It says that Square announced that as the official release date. Let me know if I should change the release date. --Ichigo 19:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That article said the release date has not changed, and then says the release date for the North American release... Did they specifically say the release date?  I can't find the source of the August 1st date.--QubitOtaku 02:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "At a December 1st conference in Tokyo, Japan Square-Enix announced that the release date for Final Fantasy Xii has not changed: Japan-March 16 2006 and the US release date is August 1, 2006. They also announced the higher than normal price of 8990 yen ($74.57USD)." - Taken from the linked article. --Ichigo 04:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that, but did they actually say the release date for NA or did they just say it hasn't changed?  They wern't very clear on that.  If they only said "it hasn't changed", then where did the august 1st date come from (Gamestop? Final Fantasy XII Release In August?)... This is where I'm confused... I havn't seen anything about it in any news or press releases on Square-Enix.  I wish I had a quote of what they said at the conference.  If anyone, preferably someone who was there, knows for certain that they said "August 1, 2006", rather than just said "hasn't changed", then thats good enough of a source for me ^-^  Also, its been only me and Ichigo talking, anyone elses input would be appreciated. -- QubitOtaku 04:16, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy XII Release Date Sources 

message: From the DQVIII demo Soulsteelgray 00:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation for "Balthier"

message: The article states that the NuMou from FF Tactics Advance will appear in FF XII. However I have not seen any mention of that in any interview or preview and as far as I know there have been no screenshots released depicting the NuMou. Where is this info about the NuMou in FF XII coming from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by KormakurG (talk • contribs) 
:There has, in fact, been a screenshot of a Nu Mou called "Makkenrou" who is a minor NPC related to the Clan Quests. It was included in a scan with other minor NPCs, but I can't seem to be able to find it. You can also see some very Nu Mou-looking players at the wedding parade FMV. I don't know if there are many more Nu Mous and what is their position in Ivalice, but they are there, guaranteed. 
:- SamSandy
:: While Nu Mou's appearance in FFXII is still vague, they are being mentioned briefly, by Fran who was quoting something from Nu Mou folklore. I believe someone translated the game script. AzulAokawa 08:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NuMous in FF XII 

message: I edited the first sentence to "console role-playing game" rather than "computer role-playing game" as FF XII is most assuredly more FF-related than DnD-related. 172.128.221.251 09:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is little discrepancy between the two, but I've wiki'd it to computer role-playing game to avoid an unnecessary redirect. ~ Hibana 00:54, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer or Console 

message: Next Generation has a rather nice article about how players are reacting in Japan. I believe the article needs a section about critics/feedback with the impressions of the japanese gamers. -- ReyBrujo 12:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say it should have a "Reception" section, and keep the criticism aspect down to a paragraph or two; I've seen way too many cases of full blown criticism sections growing to epic proportions (see the main Final Fantasy article) and making the whole article sound negative, even when it's written to try and be informative. I'm not pointing fingers, as I'm guilty of this myself. I would include a quick note on the review scores it has received (reiterating the Famitsu score for completeness sake, or moving it from the intro); giving some sales numbers; and then a blurb on the main critical points of the game, referencing the article you mentioned. -- VederJuda 21:19, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics 

message: Aries: Belial/Velius: The Devil--
The character Velius in Final Fantasy Tactics was the demonic form of the transformed Wiegraf, who before that was the leader of the Death Corps, a band of mercenaries.
The Final Fantasy Compendium suggests this to be a mistranslation of the word "belial". This is most likely to have taken place.
In the Japanese version of FFT, Velius is known as Berias, where Berias is pronounced as Bae-Ri-As. As there are no "v" and "l" consonents in the Japanese language, the consonents "b" and "r" are used in place to pronounce/write foreign words that require them (actually, in the case of "v" there is a modern intervention which combine two katakana letters together but "v" is close sounding to "b" so confusion can still take place). For example, in Final Fantasy X, Lulu's name in Japanese is actually Ruru (of course the Japanese form of the name came before the English version, so this resembles a bit of the chicken and egg problem). This problem has also occured in several other Squaresoft games such as Xenogears. Therefore "berias" can be translated into "berias", "verias", "belias" or "velias". Here it must be noted that "belias" is an occasional spelling of "belial".
So the closest to "velius" from "berias" is "velias". How then did the "a" become a "u"? There are several possibilities. 1. Velius is a relatively common Roman name 2. It is an actual latin word that means "fleece" or "skin" 3. The "u" was just another mistranslation problem. From here "velius" is obtained. 
What makes the above explaination more plausible is that the FFT character's name is an apt choice to describe the role as a rouge turned demon in the game: The word "belial" appears several times in the Bible - once in Second Corinthians of the New Testament and the rest in the Old Testament. It is a personification of worthlessness or wickedness. In the Old Testament, the word was used in the context of describing people of waste. For example, "the sons of Belial", "a man of Belial". "Belial" is sometimes another name for Satan. In John Milton's Paradise Lost, however, Belial who is a demon of hell is a separate entity.''
Taurus: Chaos: The King of Reincarnation--
Demonic Being that resulted from Dark Knight Gariland's merging with the 4 Crystal Elements Earth, Fire, Wind, Water, 2000 years into the past after having died and having been resurrected by the 4 Fiends of Chaos (Lich, Maliris, Tiamat, Kraken).
n: 1 a state of extreme confusion and disorder [syn: pandemonium, bedlam, topsy-turvydom, topsy-turvyness] 2: the formless and disordered state of matter before the creation of the cosmos 3: (Greek mythology) the most ancient of gods; the personification of the infinity of space preceding creation of the universe [syn: Chaos] 4: (physics) a dynamical system that is extremely sensitive to its initial conditions.
Gemini: Zalera: The Angel of Death--
Zalera was formerly the man known as Marquis Elmdor of Limberry the "Silver Noble" or "Silver Ogre" depending on which side you were on, he was considered to be a well-known and dangerous Templar Knight aided by a pair of deadly female assassins (one of which may be depicted in the FF12 image). He suspiciously looked like a medieval Sephiroth, and if you were lucky, you could steal Genji Armor/Gloves and the Masamune from him.
Zalera is actually an anagram for Azrael, (Arabic: عزرائیل) is typically known as one of the names of the angel of death, and is an English form of the Arabic name Izrail, the name traditionally attributed to the angel of death in Islamic world although the name Malaikat Maut (which is a direct translation of angel of death) is usually used in in the Qur'an. It is also spelled Azrail, Ashriel, Azaril, and Azriel. The name literally means whom God helps.
He is generally depicted as an archangel under the command of God and usually not in a fashion similar to those associated with darker incarnations of Death personified. Depending on the outlook and precepts of various religions in which he is a figure, Azrael is portrayed as residing in the third Heaven. He has four faces and four thousand wings, and his whole body consists of eyes and tongues, the number of which corresponds to the number of people inhabiting the earth. He will be the last to die, recording and erasing constantly in a large book the names of men at birth and death, respectively. [Rf: Hastings, Encyclopaedia of Religion and Ethics IV, 617]
In Muslim tradition, Azrael is forever writing in a large book and forever erasing what he writes; what he writes is the name of a man at birth, and what he erases is that said name at death. Also, in Islamic legend, God is said to have sent out four angels, Michael, Gabriel, Israfel, and Azrael, on a mission to retrieve seven handfuls of earth for the creation of Adam. The Earth asked the Michael, Gabriel, and Israfel "not to take the soil in the name of Allah", hence they returned to God empty-handed. When asked by God (Allah they told what Earth said to them. However, Azrael who was 4th and last one sent to attempt this mission, had succeeded in wrestling soil away from the earth. When he brought the soil to God, he was asked that had earth not asked him not to take the soil in the name of thy Lord. He told God that Earth did but he was also under His (God's) Command. God in return asked Azrael that does he not respect Him (God) in the way other three Arch Angels do. For not listening to Earths request in the name of Allah, he was appointed as the angel of death with the task of separating human souls from their bodies, as a punishment. Even though he is under punishment, God has called for Azrael's respect and believe in him by all man kind.''
Cancer: Zeromus: The Convicted Tyrant--
Zemus (ゼムス Zemusu) is the mastermind behind all the evil in Final Fantasy IV; he apparently wishes for dominance over the planet. With his mind control powers, he manipulates Golbez into doing his will. Golbez, in turn, uses his own telepathic influence over Kain. FuSoYa reveals that Zemus is the only Lunarian who refused to go into sleep until the time when Lunarians and Earthlings could live in harmony. Even though Golbez and FuSoYa vanquish him, Zemus comes back to life as Zeromus, the monstrous embodiment of his hatred and evil. Zeromus has considerable prowess in magic; his moves include Big Bang, a powerful magic attack, and Black Hole, which has the power to nullify magical benefits, as well as Bio, Flare and even Meteor.
Zemus is most probably a variation of Xenu. In Scientology doctrine, Xenu (also Xemu) is a galactic ruler (of the "Galactic Confederacy") who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause problems today. These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant. The story of Xenu is part of a much wider range of Scientology beliefs in extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in Earthly events, collectively described as space opera by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.
Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, famously warning that R6 was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it." The Xenu story was the start of the use of the volcano as a common symbol of Scientology and Dianetics from 1968 to the present day.
Much of the criticism of the Church of Scientology focuses on the story of Xenu. The Church has tried to keep Xenu confidential; critics claim revealing the story is in the public interest, given the high prices charged for OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to members that have already contributed large amounts of money to the organization.
The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of both copyright and trade secrecy. Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public. (Very similar to the events of FF4.)
Zeromus refers the concept of zero, defined as a cipher, the very definition of entropy, or nothing.''
Leo: Hashmallim: The Regulator--
Also known as Hashmalum "The Regulator" who was associated with Vormav Tingel, the head of the Templar Knights, father of Izlude and Meliadoul and considered to be the second in command of the Zodiac Brave Lucavi. Vormav kidnapped Alma, Ramza Beolve's sister for the resurrection ritual of Virgo, the rebirth of Saint Ajora.
Dominions, in the second sphere of the Angelic Hierarchy, are also known as the Hashmallim, and hold the task of regulating the duties of lower angels. They receive their orders from the Seraphim, the Cherubim, or God Himself, and are responsible for ensuring that the cosmos remains in order. It is only with extreme rarity that the dominions make themselves physically known to mortals. Instead, they quietly concern themselves with the details of existence.
Virgo: Ultima: The Holy Angel--
1. Alma, Ramza Beolve's sister, was born under the sign of Virgo, and as such was the right candidate for the Zodiac Brave's ritual to resurrect Saint Ajora, whose demonic form was Ultima (mistranslated as Altima) the "Bloody Angel". Bloody Angel is a reference to Virginity an aspect of Virgo.
2. Ultima is also known as the Nou Mou race's Totema in Ivalice and the guardian of one of the 5 Crystals that hold Ivalice together. Once she is defeated, the crystal shatters and she awakens to become the Nou Mou's guardian Totema.
Ultima is Latin for "last" or "final". The English word "ultimate" comes from the same root, as does the English word "ultima", meaning the last syllable in a word.
Libra: Ex-Death/Exodus: The Tree of Judgment--
Originally a malevolent tree born from the Great Forest of Moore, Ex-Death lives to nullify. His ultimate scheme is to suck everything in the world into a power called the "Void" (or "Mu") and then disappear himself...he was formerly assisted by Gilgamesh until he exiled him.
Ex-Death simply means "exceeding death" and the Japanese phonetics for ExDeath (e-ku-su-de-su) sound somewhat similar to the word Exodus which may be related to Ex-Death's desire to leave existence. This is ironic considering Libra is considered the Zodiac symbol for Judgement.
Scorpio: Queklain: The Impure King--
Alphons Draclau was a member of the Templar Knights associated with the Zodiac Brave Scandal to resurrect Saint Ajora. In his search for the Holy Stones, Draclau uses Bart Rudvich's Bart Company. They discover that Besrodio has found the Taurus Stone in the Goug mines; they chase after him. In the meantime, Ovelia and Agrias head to Lionel to seek sanctuary with Draclau. They meet Mustadio on the way. Draclau sends Mustadio and Ramza to rescue Besrodio (actually to get the Holy Stone) and then return to Lionel; while keeping Ovelia and Agrias in Lionel. Agrias discovers his plot and escapes, but Ovelia is taken captive and eventually taken to Zeltennia Castle by Delita. Draclau kills Rudvich for his incompetence (Rudvich was the one who let Ramza on to Draclau's involvement in Besrodio's chase). Ramza then confronts Draclau, but he transforms into Queklain. Ramza kills Queklain and Draclau. 
Queklain is actually a mistranslation of Cuchullain, an Irish folk hero, foster son of King Conor. One of the more famous portions of this hero's stories is the account of his fight with his friend Ferdiad, leader of the Connaught knights.
Sagitarius: Shumihaza: The Betrayer--
Shemihaza "The Betrayer" is new to Final Fantasy, as I have never seen him in other FF related Material.
Shemihaza (who was also known as Shernihaza, the leader of the wicked angels who began to intermingle and cohabit with women, giving birth to giants) is briefly mentioned in the Book of Enoch: "Book of Giants". He is the father of two children Ohya and Hahya, but since no complete manuscript exists of Giants (as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls), the exact order of the story is unknown. But what is known is that it concerns the two children's dreams and the prophet Enoch's attempts to interpret them and to interceed with God on the family of giants' behalf.
Little remains of the independent adventures of the giants, but it is likely that these tales were at least partially derived from ancient Near Eastern mythology. Thus the name of one of the giants is Gilgamesh, the Babylonian hero and subject of a great epic written in the third millennium B.C.E.  Shumihaza seems to also bear a similar resemblance to the Gilgamesh of FFXII, although that information is unclear.''
Carpicorn: Adramelk/Adramelech: The Furious Emperor--
Dycedarg Beolve slowly poisoned his father Balbanes during the Fifty Year War in a long-term goal to become king; after Balbanes dies, Dycedarg becomes the aide to Prince Larg; the two become inseperable. Dycedarg goes along with all of Larg's plans, including the kidnapping of Princess Ovelia. He and Larg also wish to get rid of the anti-aristocratic Death Corps. Dycedarg pays a Death Corps fencer named Gustav to kidnap Marquis Elmdor, in an excuse to wipe out the Death Corps. However, Ramza (against Dycedarg's will) rescues the Marquis anyway. (Larg tells Dycedarg it doesn't matter.) In an effort to redeem himself, Dycedarg sends Ramza to deal with the Death Corps hiding in the Thieves' Fort. During that time, Golagros (a Death Corps member) tries to assassinate Dycedarg but fails, leading to Teta's kidnapping. Three months later, Dycedarg hires Gafgarion to kidnap Ovelia and blame it on the Nanten. He tells Gafgarion to kill Ramza if he gets in the way. Much later, during the coup on Fort Zeakden, Dycedarg is poisoned by the Mosfungus poison spread by Balk (but not badly). In front of Zalbag, he kills Prince Larg, and tells Zalbag to put a knife in the hands of a dead Hokuten Knight, claiming that the knight was a Nanten spy and killed Larg. However, the dying words of Larg, alluding to Dycedarg's killing Balbanes, sets Zalbag wondering. Dycedarg assumes control of the Hokuten. Rofel (a Temple Knight) meets with Dycedarg at Igros and suggests that he accept the Church's offer of mediation. Rofel knows that Dycedarg killed Balbanes and makes several strong suggestions about it. he leaves Dycedarg the Capricorn Stone (intending for Dycedarg to be the host body for the Lucavi demon Adramelk). Zalbag overhears, and later confirms the truth. Zalbag enters Igros and kills Dycedarg for his crime, but the Zodiac Stone reacts and Dycedarg becomes Adramelk. Adramelk kills Zalbag (his body disappears) but is then slain by Ramza.
Adramelech (also called Adrammelech, Adramelek or Adar-malik) his name Adar meaning the King. He was a form of sun god, the centre of his worship was the town of Sepharvaim (2 Kings 17:31) and was brought by the Sepharvite colonists into Samaria.
There was also a god called Baal Adramelch his name "Baal" meaning "Lord" is also the title of the god Moloch. In Assyrian mythology the title Baal was a title for many gods and he is described as a son of Sennacherib, king of Assyria (2 Kings 19:37; Isa. 37:38). To him were offered children, who were sacrificed by being thrown into fire and sometimes eaten.
Similar to many pagan gods, Adramelech was turned into a demon in Judeo-Christian tradition. According to Collin de Plancy book on demonology, Adramelech became the President of the Senate of the demons. He is also the Chancellor of Hell and supervisor of Satan's wardrobe. Being generally depicted with a human torso and head, and the rest of the body of a mule (or sometimes as a peacock).
A poet's description of Adramelech can be found in Robert Silverberg's short story Basileus. Adremelech is described as "The enemy of God, greater in ambition, guile and mischief than Satan. A fiend more curst - a deeper hypocrite."''
Aquarius: Famfrit: The Corrupt Empress--
1. The Totema Guardian of the Moogle Race in FFTA.
2. The name Palamecia/Paramekia and "Corrupt Empress" seems to be associated with Famfrit in a reference to either FF2's Emperor Palamecia or to the false Princess Hildegarde, both of which are uncertain.
Famfrit is a sub-species of efreet or ifrit who was considered a Djinn in Arabic Legend. In Arabic mythology, ifrits are enormous winged creatures of fire that constitute a class of the jinn, and are able to assume human or animal form. These creatures, though insusceptible to physical weapons, can be dominated or even killed, given the right magical procedures. Ifrits live in tribal-structured communities, usually marrying one of their own kind, although human unions are possible.
Pisces: Mateus: The Dark Cloud--
1. The Totema Guardian of the Hume (Human) Race in FFTA.
2. Possibly a reference to the Dark Cloud final boss in FF3.
English form of Matthaios, which was a Greek form of the Hebrew name Mattithyahu which meant "gift of God". Saint Matthew, also called Levi, was one of the twelve apostles (a tax collector) of Jesus the Christ. He was supposedly the author of the first Gospel in the New Testament. This coincides with the Totema's "protective" nature, as Matthew was protective of Christ.
Serpentarius: Zodiac: The King of Commandment--
Elidibs was a mysterious wizard, a graduate of the Gariland Military School. He was a great fighter for Ivalice during the Fifty Year War, but disappeared during the recapture of Riovanes Castle. Between then and the Lion War, he somehow found or created a thirteenth Zodiac Stone and hid out in the lowest level of the Deep Dungeon to meditate. He challenges Ramza to a duel when Ramza reaches him, and he then transforms into a Lucavi demon. Ramza slays Elidibs and collects his 13th Stone, Serpentarius, and any summoners-in-training capable of surviving his summoned beast's attack, would learn the almighty Zodiac summon. Zodiac is a beast with 4 Angelic and 4 Demonic Wings, it's destructive power as mysterious as it is.
Zodiac is Middle English, from Old French zodiaque, from Latin zdiacus, from Greek zidiakos (kuklos), (circle) of the zodiac, from zidion, small represented figure, zodiacal sign, diminutive of zion, living being.
It is also speculated that Elidibus is derived from the name of Iblis (Arabic إبليس), the primary devil in Islam. He appears more often in the Qur'an (Islamic holy Book) as the Shaitan, a term used to refer to all of the evil spirits assisting Iblis, but which is often used to refer to just Iblis. Iblis is mentioned 11 times, and Shaitan "al-Shaitaan" ‏(الشيطان) 87 times. He is chief of the spirits of evil (Shaitan), and his personality is similar to that of the devil in Christianity. 
Iblis was a Jinn, a creature made of smokeless fire by God (like humans are made of 'clay'). In an outburst rooted in envy, Iblis disobeyed Allah (Arabic word for God) and was expelled from the grace of Allah. He was later sent to earth along with Adam and Eve after having lured them into eating fruit from the forbidden tree, although in this role he is always referred to as al-Shaitan. He was condemned consequently by God to Hell. He replied with saying that he wanted to bring the inhabitants of Earth down with him, and God, to test Mankind and Jinn, allowed him to roam Earth to attempt to misguide others.
He tempts humans through his whisper (waswas, "he whispered") of sinful ideas in their head and false suggestion (haiif). In the end, it is believed, he will be cast into Jahannam (Hell in Islam) along with those who give in to his temptation of sinful ideas and disobeyed God's true message to mankind (Islam), while those who successfully try to follow a righteous path will be rewarded with the pleasures of Jannah (Paradise or Heaven in Islam).
The Qur'an does not depict Shaitan as the enemy of Allah, for Allah is supreme over all his creations and Iblis is just one of his creations. Unlike the Zoroastrian beliefs, all good and bad deeds are from Allah himself and only he can save humanity from the evils of his universe and his creations. Shaitan's single enemy is humanity. He intends to discourage humans from obeying God. Thus, humankind is warned to struggle against the mischiefs of the Shaitan and temptations he puts them in. A commonly shared belief in both Islam and Christianity is that the universal existence of evil in personal lives is usually experienced because of the devil.''
:Okay, so you got this information from http://mythology.terrapolis.org/index.php Were you planning on integrating it into the article? By the way, is it a copyright violation if someone places material like this in a Talk page? ~ Hibana 21:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks great, really, except you got Mateus's and Famfrit's titles mixed up. They're the other way around. - SamSandy 11:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a bit much, and it's a lot of info on a specific aspect of the game. If you were to add this, then it should belong as its own article, with a reference to it instead of adding directly into FFXII's article; and I hope you didn't just copy and paste from the sources, that's plagiarism. Also, there is already a huge section that lists the different Espers with info on their appearance and Zodiac affiliation, which doesn't fit with this article either; the article should have at most a brief list (which it has) and a link to more elaborate data. -- VederJuda 19:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esper Name Origins/References 

message: I'm suprised not to find this mentioned,but during the game is there a limit as to how many members your party can have walking around and fighting at the same time,like in previous final fantasies,or
do all the playable characters available walk around with you? 142.167.17.254 23:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  party numbers 

message: I've proposed that Active Dimension Battle be merged with the combat section of the article, because there is nothing in the individual system's article that can't be said here. Besides, unlike Active Time Battle or others like it, this only applies to Final Fantasy XII. Thoughts? ~ Hibana 19:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, go ahead with it. - SamSandy 11:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle system merger

message: this statement is inncorrect and needs to be change. 
Cchocobos were not created when the first game came out however they were present in the Japanese final fantasy II
:We could explicitely state that fact, but I think 11/12 games in the main series plus numerous chocobo appearances in spin-off titles is considered to be "traditional." ~ Hibana 23:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chocobos are traditionally featured in all Final Fantasy Titles 

message: are there temples like FF X? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.5.36.132 (talk • contribs) .
I'm gonna got out on a limb and say no. 142.167.27.136 15:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  are there temples like FF X? 

message: If nobody complains, I will be creating references for all the inline links. -- ReyBrujo 23:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References