Talk:Asian conical hat

message: Where did the hat originate, is it from Vietnam, how many styles are there besides Nón lá (Vietnamese style) and how old is it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.94.8.198 (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: juk mo literally bamboo hat is perhaps how to say it in Cantonese the U would be a falling tone while the O would be a rising tone in comparison to Mandarin. I've posted it here because I am not sure, perhaps you can confirm it and add it to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.190.98 (talk) 18:56, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cantonese

message: I removed this text:
While I understand the reasons for inclusion, this kind of thing has caused difficulties in many articles. First, who decides what is 'notable', and second, the hat is so common that in time the fictional references may crowd out the factual ones, which is not desirable in an encyclopedia. - Mcasey666 20:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable examples in fiction

message: I believe that the main picture included in this article is a silly example that takes away from the seriousness of the article. Mainly the expression of the man's face is what I believe to portray the aforementioned silliness. I move for a replacement.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.225.240 (talk) 05:31, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
*I agree, but we would need a free-to-use image. I suspect that a wiki user took a picture of himself for that one.  We'd need someone to take a less goofy picture. 151.197.27.164 00:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Included In This Article

message: Can anyone provide more information about the derogatory nature of this term? --Thomas B♘talk 04:13, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derogatory Nature 

message: Each Asian country has its own peasant/manual worker hat,  which is not necessarily either straw or conical. This article conflates a variety of styles together. For example, the sedge hat is typically Japanese and has a rounded top. "Coolie hat" and "straw hat" presumably refer to the Chinese worker hat. The pictures show Vietnamese leaf hats, which are made of palm leaf and have bamboo frameworks. Unlike the Japanese and Chinese hats, the Vietnamese hat is truly conical and has a point on top. Cambodia has its own hat style, so the picture of a Cambodian woman in a Vietnamese-style hat is misleading. Kauffner (talk) 12:30, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely right. I just added an image that shows a plastic conical hat, very common now in China. Some have bamboo stays within, some don't, and some are all bamboo. I think we need to rename this article to East Asian conical hat or Conical hat (which is currently a disambiguation page). Pointy hat exists and is a short article with a silly name. I am not sure this article could fit in there because a conical hat isn't that pointy. Some suggestions would be welcome. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:04, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If there are no objections soon, I will move this article to Conical hat. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: by all means. I can see how "conical hat" and "pointy hat" is going to have some overlap, but as you say not all conical hats are pointy, nor are all pointy hats conical. --dab (𒁳) 07:56, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be perfect would be a catch-all article name with a bunch of sections for the different hats with a blurb and a { { main } } for each. Thoughts/suggestions for the article name? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw hat??

message: I moved it to Asian conical hat. Although only six days has passed, I think it unlikely that someone will come along with a better name. Plus, this thread was well-advertised. Finally, the last name was improperly capitalized and somewhat racial, so it would have been a bad idea to wait for too long. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:28, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But how? It is Asian and conical and a hat. English longbow is English and long and a bow. French onion soup is French and made of onion and soup. Are those racist too? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:31, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Incidentally, the word "paddy" is a racist term for Irishmen. Just saying. Mabalu (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

text:  Seriously though, I'm boggled by this too. Everyone knows what this hat is, but none of the terms for it are really appropriate or likely search terms. It is not solely worn in the paddy fields. It actually seems quite derogatory to imply this hat is something that is only worn by a specific type of labourer, when it is a style of hat that is widely worn. Not everyone who wears the hat is a rice paddy worker. Although widely appropriated around the world, this hat has still retained its associations with its cultural origins. As Anna Frodesiak points out, it is conical, and Asian, and a hat. That is descriptive and while not perfect, it at least gives the basic facts about the headgear and acknowledges its origins. Technically, it probably should be "East Asian conical hat" but that's not a likely search term. We need a term that covers all the potential search terms (such as nón lá) and also gives the most comprehensive cover-all term for the hat, and although Asian conical hat is far from perfect, it is factual without having pejorative/classist/prejudiced associations upfront. I don't even see it as racist, but clearly at least one person thinks that using the term "Asian" to acknowledge the hat's geographical origins is "vehemently" racist, despite thinking it acceptable to rename the article something that sounds pejorative, classist and prejudiced - a hat-trick! Maybe we should just call it Hat that must not be named. Mabalu (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem is that "Asian" is inherently ambiguous. The bamboo conical hat is only relevant to a section of Asia. An "Asian Conical Hat" would not be analogous to an "English Longbow" because one contains a national descriptor while the other is continental. Asians outside of the Sinosphere don't have any connection to this item. I suggest renaming as simply as the "conical bamboo hat" or something similar, as that is its literal name in the areas where it is relevant.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yprpyqp (talk • contribs) 06:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

text:  I'd wager a vanishingly small percentage of people who wear baseball caps actually play baseball, but there's no problem with that name… Atario (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Follow-up

message: It would be fantastic if the article has a section about the processes of making one conical hat. Like how many things does a person need to prepare to make and how long does it take her to finish one hat?
 Thank you! CATHERINevO (talk) 15:50, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Processes of making

message: Every image is a nón lá. If you must, put nón lá in a section with other hat varieties.
121.45.171.107 (talk) 19:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename this article "Nón lá" or provide alternative examples 

message: In the first photo, the porter, I can't see a hat. I keep trying to find a hat, but I just can't find it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.16.183 (talk) 10:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery section 

message: The caption to this illustration, in reference to the native inspired salakot  concludes with the sentence
"This later evolved to the colonial pattern pith helmet via the British Empire in India."
This assertion should be amended, given that the date of the illustration is 1862 and  helmets to provide sun protection had been in evidence in British India for at least the previous twenty years. Moreover, the Colonial Pattern sun helmet alluded to had an entirely different form to the headgear illustrated and was made of either wicker or cork.
JF42 (talk) 20:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Spanish military uniforms in the Philippines 1862'