Talk:Charo

message: CHICK?
Why is she referred to as a "chick" in the opening paragraph? Am I missing an alternate meaning of that word?
140.163.0.5 (talk) 18:09, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Need a source for her birth date. IMDB gives 1941 in her bio, and adds she claims to be years younger. See [imdb.com/name/nm0004819/], and [imdb.com/name/nm0004819/bio].--Erri4a 23:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A US court adjudicated this issue and found her legal birth date to be 1951.  The disputed year is 1941.  A judge would not have changed this date based on a particularly bouncy cuchi-cuchi. She must have offered presuasive proof. At any rate, if her birth date is legally recognized as 1951, that ought to be the date used here.  Laszlo Panaflex 21:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have been easy to provide conclusive evidence of her birth date, especially through medical and dental records.  A judge ruled her birth date was in 1951.  IMDb retains the 1941 date on their front page, but explains the court ruling on her bio page.  Please stop reverting this to the 1941 date unless you have a very good reason, which you explain here.  Laszlo Panaflex 03:46, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I realize "my father" does not qualify as a citable source, but my dad is older than Charo (no matter which birthdate you use) and says that she was, in fact, in her teens when she married Cugat. He distinctly remembers that it was a scandal at the time that Cugat was marrying such a young girl. So this suggests that if we look in older archives of newspapers and the like, we might well find backup of this point. (I do, incidentally, agree no matter what, we should use the date that the court decided, while still noting the debate.) By the way, I wonder how far back the "1941" notation goes... is it possible that at the time she married Cugat, someone might have been pressured to change it for OLDER? Lawikitejana 21:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but you are only half-right.  The adjudication came during the process of her naturalization, and the remarks of the judge at the time made it rather plain that he thought that he was harmlessly humoring her.  The actual paperwork from her place of birth stated that she was born in 1941. —SlamDiego 16:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have the text of the judge's remarks, or other sources that quote them/characterize them, let's put them in. I've already put in (circa 2007?) various sources from the time around her marriage to Cugat that identified her closer to the younger date, but no reasonable objection can be made to the inclusion of verifiable, reliable sources showing the judge's acceptance is ambiguous.Lawikitejana (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Another not qualifying source, my mother... and my grandmother. My mother was born in 1954 and Charo was much older that her, indeed my grandmother use to play with her when she was a teen and Charo a child around the Quiosco her family owned. So, ImyfamilyHO, 1941. Regards, Gons (¿Digame?) 21:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I just added a reference to Latinas in the United States: a historical encyclopedia, Volume 1 by Vicki Ruíz, Virginia Sánchez Korrol that has the judge changing the date story. Presumably it was vetted - Indiana University Press has standards. Here is the page. K8 fan (talk) 22:44, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

text: How's Charo gonna be born in 1951 and make a movie in 1962? Iamvered (talk) 16:56, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

text: IMDB has changed her birth year to 1945. I guess they have a reason for this...
--Besserwissern (talk) 00:36, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Kjell (pronounced "Shel"...) is a Nordic name (related to "kettle"), very common here in Sweden, and to some extent in Norway. But his last name, Rasten, sounds Norwegian to me. Anyone know more?
--Besserwissern (talk) 00:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Do you have a source?  We operate here by reliable sources, not the recollection of editors of TV programs from fifty years ago.  A US judge declared her birth date to be 1951 -- as explained above and in the article text. That is the most reliable source we have available.  How old she looked to you is irrelevant without a RS. (Also, please refrain from making personal attacks on other editors, many of whom have reverted these alternate dates.) Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 01:50, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth date 

message: In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Icon Project 

message: I use this all the time in my own speech, but honestly, does this even have a meaning, or is it something Charo simply made up? Mike H. That's hot 08:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, never mind, I found it: Her trademark "cuchi, cuchi" comes from her nickname for her dog, Cuchillo (Spanish for "knife"): "When Cuchillo (kü'chē'yō) was happy he wiggled. I copied him and I used to say 'como Cuchi, como Cuchi'. Everybody thought that it was very cute when I wiggled and say cuchi-cuchi, and they give me cookies and candy. Now, every time I say cuchi-cuchi, people give me money." Mike H. That's hot 08:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, extremely popular, to the extent that, in the Spanish translation of The Flinstones (probably the best dubbing job ever in the history of Mexican audio dubbing of T.V. series; MUCH funnier than the original), Betty constantly refers to Barney Rubble as "Cuchi-Cuchi"...Demf 19:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cuchi Cuchi

message: She was on a Geico Commercial, right? I could've sworn she did. --66.218.17.130 02:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geico Commercial 

message: She's still hot.  If she is 55, she looks great for her age.  If she is 65, she looks spectacular for her age.
The irony is that Charo is really 79 years old as of her 2010 birthday. She has been claiming her real age to be ten years younger than what the records show, yet ironically she is actually ten years *older* than the date she has been disclaiming.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.54.18.127 (talk) 05:29, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Still Hot

message: Comments like "she is incredibly old" and "many wish she had not (become a naturalized US citizen)" detract from the objectivity and professionalism of this article.
I've also taken the liberty of removing the paragraph that claimed she had 12 children at once and eventually married on of her own sons... :-/ 
--Insley 15:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for Objectivity 

message: I deleted a random sentence fragment about an "unknown son."  It was unintelligent and possibly junk.  Check the version before my edit to see what I mean. --Asulca593 00:24, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean-up 

message: Looking at the three links provided, I find most everything that the article says.  I'm removing the template.  If you find particular statements not mentioned on the Charo.com, Charo.info, or IMDb links, then take issue with them specifically.  But to say that "This article or section does not cite its references or sources" is to completely ignore the external links listed.  Laszlo Panaflex 23:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be that there is a need to attribute some more colorful or incredible items to the specific source from which they came. However, I have since added some material (I think!) that had specific references, so that should help. Lawikitejana 20:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm seriously tempted to research on Miss Baeza using Spanish-language sources. She has this cartoonish image in the English speaking world, but for Spaniards and Latin Americans she's simply a next-door girl who made it big through hard work and perseverance... and a bit of jiggling and use of the thick Murcian accent as a stereotype/gimmick, perhaps, but made it big, nonetheless. This article is way too light as it is right now. Let's see what I can dig up...Demf 20:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: The article claimed that Cugat had been married twice before his marriage to Charo.  Here are his four previous wives:
#Rita Montaner
#Carmen Castillo
#Lorraine Allen
#Abbe Lane
—SlamDiego 16:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cugat's previous wives 

message: "spectacularly sexy body, including her huge round breasts with their unusually large, pointed nipples"
very funny, but what is this, a Playboy article?
These statements have no place in an encyclopedia unless they are quotations, and even if they are, there are no references.
Quality control, hello?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.44.98 (talk) 18:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vandalism and has now been undone. Any user can make such an edit; simply click the "edit this page" tab at the top of the article and make the change yourself. If the change is in a certain section of the article, there may be an "edit" link there, too, which lets you review just the section in question (helpful for long articles). We are all each other's "quality control."
Lawikitejana 20:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...has caused more erections than Frank Lloyd Wright ??? 

message: My wife told me that Charo can't actually play the guitar as well as most believe. She says that when you see her do so, it is dubbed in by a more qualifed musical person. Should we put this in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.35.176.49 (talk • contribs) 18 May 2007
:As noted in the banner at the head of this Talk page, it is especially important that controversial or potentially libelous details be verified thoroughly using reliable sources. A quick Google search doesn't show anything remotely supportive of this claim, so my answer would be a deafening NO unless someone turns up credible published sources. 
:I can see why people would be quick to believe this sort of thing, as they find it difficult to believe that an attractive, buxom woman who cultivates a goofy public personality actually could be an accomplished guitarist, but without something to back up the claim of faking (or even anyone else who makes the claim!), it's more logical to believe that her playing is real, after all these years. Just look how quickly Milli Vanilli's claims were found out. Lawikitejana 05:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a guitarist, and I can attest to the fact that when I've seen videos of her playing challenging pieces such as Recuerdos de la Alhambra, her fingers are exactly where they are supposed to be.  I realize this isn't a Wikipedia verifiable claim, but if you know an accomplished guitarist, ask them to watch her play.  I think s/he will back me up.  No merit in this claim in my opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlaclaws (talk • contribs) 02:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Confirm.  I have been playing for 50 years and am a correspondent for Classical Guitar magazine, and I can testify that Charo definitely appears to be a competent player (although Best Flamenco Guitarist, when people like Paco de Lucía are around, is rather a joke).  FWIW I have also seen her interviewed, and she seemed extremely sharp. Paul Magnussen (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Guitar Playing Dubbed In

message: The text says 21 appearances, the appearances list says 8. So does IMDB. Can anyone back up 21 appearances? --Thespian 06:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Boat appearances 

message: The dates of birth are all over the place.  I'm pretty sure that Charo's birth year was never offically 1911, and I don't think that she was married at least twenty years before she was born.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.224.134 (talk) 02:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Birth 

message: The Biography section has Charo's father fleeing "from Casablanca" during Franco's reign, while her mother "stayed behind in Murcia".  Since, additionally, Casablanca was not under Spanish control, surely Charo's father fled to Casablanca.  Right?  --72.70.18.83 (talk) 09:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "From" or "To"? 

message: Is this true?. I think she lived during her childhood in Murcia, Spain. Please, remove that false asseveration.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.128.75.225 (talk) 14:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...her mother stayed behind in Bangladesh? 

message: "During much of the late 1950s to late 1970s Charo had limited visibility as she moved to Hawaii, and opened and performed at her own dinner theater while she and Rasten raised their son."
This seems obviously incorrect (for a number of reasons). I suspect that it should be late 1970s into the 1990s. (In terms of releasing albums, she was only inactive for about 12 years, according to the discography section.)—überRegenbogen (talk) 06:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange time range in Post-1970s section 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "beck" :
** John Beck. "Ageless persona: Vegas headliner Charo thrills fans at Sonoma County Fair: Cuchi-cuchi time at the fair," The Press Democrat (Santa Rosa, CA), August 1, 2002, page B1.
** Ibid.
DumZiBoT (talk) 19:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: I think it'd be helpful to have a video linked here to substantiate her guitar skills.  I added a YouTube video of Charo doing a flamenco number on The Hollywood Palace in 1968 to the external links section.  Immediately it was removed for not meeting the WP:EL criteria.  My bad.
But where 'is' the best place in the article to include this?  It is important to include.   --NickDupree (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:ELNO it's not something to add to this article.  Any interested fan can find such information on YouTube, and WP is not a WP:LINKFARM.  Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 19:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  including a YouTube video of her flamenco guitar prowess 

message: She was "born María Rosario Pilar Martínez Molina Moquiere de les Esperades Santa Ana Romanguera y de la Najosa Rasten" and then later she married a guy named Kjell Rasten (same surname)? That's quite a coincidence, don't you think? Or was "Rasten" really not part of her birth name?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.223.132.210 (talk) 18:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What's not clear to me is how Baeza (shown several times here as part of her birth name) became Moquiere de les Esperades Santa Ana Romanguera y de la Najosa. --Cam (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt the veracity of the video. She is a comedian, isn't she? I think she's trying to make a joke on the length of her real name, which I'm guessing is María del Rosario Pilar Martínez Molina Baeza de Rasten. Breaking that down, María del Rosario is her "first name", Pilar is her "middle name", Martínez, Molina and Baeza are family names and de Rasten is her married name. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth name 

message: Charo's song "Seduccion" from the 1994 album "Guitar Passion" was played on the internationally syndicated jazz show "Cafe Jazz" hosted by Ted Hasiuk on the week of September 5, 2010, show number 580.
http://www.jazzlynx.net/10notes/ed580spins.html
68.23.162.166 (talk) 14:57, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * Would you tell me exactly where you would like this added? -- Crazysane (T/C\D) 17:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: * Got signed out! -- Crazysane (T/C\D) 17:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 68.23.162.166, 3 September 2010 

message: The main article says the birth year is 1945, whilst the sidebar template says 1951. Could someone please change this to the right birth year? Callmemirela (talk) 02:16, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth year different 

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message: Undid undiscussed (AFAICT) and unagreed to changes by @108.18.114.104 as improperly formatted. Quis separabit? 17:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  @108.18.114.104: The formatting is sloppy and ugly, and 1951, no matter how absurd, is her legal year or birth. Everything else should be added as a footnote. Quis separabit? 20:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Formatting style

message: Sorry but this is crazy. That woman is clearly NOT in her 60's. This is an insult to history to format her "legal birthdate" so that it produces an incorrect age in her infobox--just leave it out. (legal birthdate does not equal age) It is an insult to our readers also some of whom may be OLD like myself and remember watching her in her many appearances on TV when we were children, and she was a full grown adult then. The fact that she has a "legal birthdate" is fine. That does not, will not, can not, ever change her real age. Which is clearly unknown and disputed here.TeeVeeed (talk) 16:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  @TeeVeeed -- the judge's order says 1951, so we legally have to go with it here. Quis separabit? 23:48, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Rms125a@hotmail.com No we do not. That judge is not the boss of Wikipedia. WP:BLP may come into play if disclosing her true b-day is a problem, but we don't know what that is anyhow. I suggest that we leave her age OUT of the infobox. We can play around with it if you like and give her "official" "Legal" birthday and leave out the year? Set the age thingy to "no"? We really cannot say with a straight face that she is 65 in 2016 and we most certainly do NOT have to. There is NOTHING that I am aware of that legally or otherwise, says that we are obligated to edit lies into the article.TeeVeeed (talk) 01:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  @TeeVeeed -- It'll have to go ANI, then. I'm not going to expose Wikipedia to any avoidable scandal, rebuke or worse over potential libel. A judge legally ruled 1951 is her year of birth. Is it bull***t? Of course. So??? We all have to shovel some in this life.  Quis separabit? 01:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I didn't realize you had reverted again. If you revert again, I am going to file a complaint at ANI. Then you can tell your side of the story. The page was protected for a reason. Don't know why you can still edit it. Quis separabit? 01:27, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please show me where it says that we are legally obliged to do this? I think I am going to take you up on your threat, just because YOU are the edit-warrior here. TeeVeeed (talk) 01:36, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to tell you it is NOT a "legal issue".Please stop making false legal claims here. You are the one who rv 4 times you know. Really, if I am mistaken, (and not for the reason that you keep giving which is why I am being so pesky, because I am SURE that you are incorrect)---then please show me where it says that we (legally or otherwise) must include obviously fake incorrect information when there are articles where we just LEAVE OUT disputed birthdays. The age-generator thingy in the infobox specifically IRKS me, because there is no judge on earth who can (legally or otherwise) change a person's age.TeeVeeed (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

text: And thank you Neil, that is how I thought we were now handling this matter (referring to ANI which closed-ty) and I have compromised and willing to compromise further. Quis separabit? is right that this could be a BLP issue though, but I'm still waiting to see where it says that we have to vandalise the article by including an infobox generated age which is not true, and wording like "born in 1951" when as far as I can see either leave it out or put disputed or something else that is not a lie. We can do this without lying is my point. We can leave stuff out. Or put disputed right there to prevent future warring?TeeVeeed (talk) 02:46, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  legal birthdate does not equal age 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The New York Times says her name is Maria Rosario Pilar Lorenza Emilia Eugenia Martinez Molina Baeza De La Osa Rasten.
This differs from the name given in this article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/style/charo-cuchi-cuchi.html
Lhimec (talk) 04:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I removed a swath of unsourced claims that have challenged for ages. This is a BLP. Challenged material is supposed to be removed promptly, not left in place for a decade. Please do not restore this material without supporting sources. Anastrophe (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced claims removed 

message: Here's a clip of Charo on the Ed Sullivan show from 1965.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwDCOPfl6QM If she were really born in 1951, this would make her barely 14 in this clip.  She is clearly not 14 here.  --Xyzzyplugh (talk) 15:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding birth date controversy