Talk:Re-education camp (Vietnam)

message: I know the article needs more references and other improvisations, but I sorely missed an article about the reeducation camps in Vietnam, so I had to make one. Feel free to contribute and edit, but please tell me why you are editing. Regards. Tridungvo 14:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First comments 

message: THESE CAMPS WERE ALREADY USED DURING THE FRENCH VIETNAM WAR!
Shame On You 04:09, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First indochina war (1954)

message: I removed the references to Kerry's comments under the "See Also" section.  First, it is evidently the same comment repeated in two paragraphs as though they were two separate events. Second, they are someone's summaries, not the actual quote.  Third, their presentation  implies a POV...the second paragraph (a cut and paste from the blog running the video) especially attempts to make an argument about the veracity of the comment, or more accurately this person's summary of the comment.
Why are Kerry's comments included and no one else's?  Has no public figure, academic, or commentator made any comments on the existence or Vietnamese re-education camps over the years? --EECEE 20:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kerry comments 

message: To Tri Dung Vo, keep up the good fight.  It is important that the wikipedia reading public know about the re-education camps.  Sadly, as soon as you stop policing this article, it will be vandalized and deleted by 14 year-old leftists.  The leftists in America and the West are still waging cultural revolution: USA are the bad guys, anyone pro-USA are bad guys, anyone anti-USA are good guys.  That is the people who suffered and died in the re-education camps, according to these cultural revolutionaries -- deserve it.  These are the same people who want the West to commit cultural suicide.  Rant over.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.121.186 (talk) 05:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cultural Suicide? May I ask where you acquire your definition of "American Culture" from, Just because people in the United States are able to see the other side of a story and look around the continuous one-sided pro american perceptions of the Cold War does not mean that American cultural values have been contaminated by dissenting leftist hooligans. Quite frankly, this is an ENGLISH encyclopedia, not an AMERICAN one, so if another editor removes some fact that they think may be biased by where a person lives i.e. United States then they are within their bounds to do so. Neutrality is understandably hard to come by, seeing as there are so many english internet users living in the world's only Superpower, and with so many people influenced by this one set of perceptions (Which many of us would call right wing) a little leftist leaning in your own country may help set a better balance.--99.141.176.247 (talk) 20:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: P.s. Do you think may candid and hopefully objective view of the situation sufficiently conforms with your established standards of "14 year-old leftists"--99.141.176.247 (talk) 20:40, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep up the good fight

message: I have added NPOV and Original Research templates to the article.
Both these problems are part of the problem already noted: no references, unverified claims.  The article needs citations, and much of it is couched in terms of the editor's own conclusions.  --EECEE (talk) 06:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: Greek citizen here. It strikes me as biased that no mention is given to the reeducation camps in our country during our Western bloc-imposed dictatorship. Lots of pro-democracy and leftist people were imprisoned and perished in those camps during the 1967-1974 era, as well as the intermediate era from the end of the civil war (1949) till 1967. A balanced historiography should mention the other "dirty" side of the Cold War. --Dead3y3 (talk) 11:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The topic for this article is about camps in Vietnam. I did a few quick searches and easily found Makronisos which mentions prisons in 1967-1974 and links to Greek military junta of 1967–74 which doesn't mention prisons. I'd suggest that the camps you are talking about should appear as a section in Greek military junta of 1967–74 and once that exists could be linked as a disambiguation from this article. It's also possible the information already exists in the English wikipedia. If you are able to check the Greek Wikipedia it might have an article that links to a poorly named English Wikipedia article. Alex Sims (talk) 08:15, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reeducation camps of the Western bloc 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Reeducation which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:01, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: There have been a number of complaints recently (and previously) about the article's sources. (Or lack thereof.) Looking at the available literature, it appears that a great amount has been drawn from 'A Viet Cong Memoir', 'Voices of Vietnamese Boat People' 'The Black Book of Communism', and several other human rights reports (including one from Amnesty International). Soon, I will do a overhaul to fix this and add some of these resources where needed.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been some objection raised recently (and in the past) as to the estimates as to the number of inmates that passed through "re-education". Especially about using the "Black book of Communism". But I have found additional RS in academic press (which is the gold standard here) that validate that number. I intend to get to this next week. Since the article has been like this for quite sometime.....I don't think waiting a few more days will hurt anything.Rja13ww33 (talk) 18:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I am about to start. Please hold off on doing anything until I say here that I am done. Thanks.Rja13ww33 (talk) 23:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm done for today. Still more to do tomorrow. A few notes here. In many cases I am using one source per paragraph. This is constant with wiki policy where everything is coming from the same source. Some of this quotes directly from it's sources.....so I have tried to paraphrase in spots to avoid using quotes. I realize I need to condense references: the ref list has them more than once. Will get to that. I removed the statement about North Vietnamese officials bringing in teenagers to stomp on feet and so on. I cannot find a source.....and it seems minor compared to the other mistreatment (backed by RS). any problems: let me know.Rja13ww33 (talk) 01:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources