Talk:Swan Lake

message: These are irrelevant. Surely someone should remove them and put them into another article somewhere?
Xgretsch (talk) 17:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Barbie and Swan Princess Segments

message: Is it really necessary to include a lengthy description of a low-budget cartoon intended to sell dolls in the same article as what it bastardized?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.78.11 (talk) 01:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Barbie Segment

message: The de.wikipedia.org page on Swan Lake (Schwanensee) has a lot of information that ought to be on the English page, including a number of pictures.  Someone should translate it. Tcassedy 06:45, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Apparently there have been dozens of versions of Swan Lake. The version  I saw last night was written and choreographed by Christopher Wheeldon, and it embeds the classic story inside a framing story about a ballet company performing the classic Swan Lake, and makes explicit reference to the ballet paintings of Degas.  I think it deserves mention here. Rpresser 14:36, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it would be interesting to list some of the many ways that Swan Lake has been embedded in other stories and reworked in original ways by choreographers.  Matthew Bourne's famous staging in which the swans are danced by men comes to mind.  However, Wheeldon's version that you saw at Pennsylvania Ballet isn't itself equal in importance to the normal versions danced by City Ballet, ABT, the Bolshoi, and so on.  We could have a "reworkings" section. Tcassedy 16:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Christopher Wheeldon

message: I've added information on the music. The translation from French was done off-the-cuff, so I'm not sure if it's spot on. (Particularly: Entrance of the Guests, since I'm not sure if sortie can be used like that, but I seem to remember it as the guests entering. Dance of the Cygnets, because it literally tanslates as "Dance of the Little Swans". So are they babies or physically small? I chose babies. Dance of the Glasses because I've seen it translated as goblet rather than glass, but I think there is a different French word for goblet. I didn't translate "Corps de Ballet" because the noun is widely used in English.) Also, I left out the info about adagios, andantes, allegros, etc. under the Pas de deux and other parts. Should I include them? I feel like it would make things too long, and I really don't know enough about wiki-formatting to make it look better (with tables or something). Guermantes 21:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "Little Swans." Tcassedy 16:21, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music and Translations from French 

message: I just saw the  tag about Schubert. There is no citation as far as I know about the music in the moderato scene resembling schubert 8th symphony, first movement. However, I have listened repeatedly to both pieces and I think that the resemblence is striking. In fact, when I first listened to the 8th, I briefly thought I was listening to Swan lake. Please if you have a different opinion, or indeed those of you who have the same, write about it on the talk page. If a majority feels that there isn't a significant resemblence, or if someone feels very strongly that there isn't I will not object to removing the passage ----Atavi 18:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that fact tag because it's the type of thing that I could see other editors removing as "original research". You can remove it if you wish; I was just hoping someone would find a source for it, as it is an interesting tidbit. Guermantes 18:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, that this could be termed "original research", even though it's something that if it is true, it should be straightforward to spot. I won't remove the tag, but I will try to find a source.-Atavi 20:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Schubert's 8th

message: I dont think that WIKIPEDIA should be a place where things are summed up.
With the amount of information that I contributed there was, until it was removed, a place where one could find info not available anywhere else on the web......that is my goal at least to share knowledge, etc.
:Your information was not removed. It was moved. Swan Lake#Choreography Development--Atavi 08:16, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is an Encyclopedia is it not??? 

message: Does anybody know the complete index of the orchestral suite? As far as I am concerned:
# Play
# Waltz
# Dance of the Little Swans
I do not think this is complete (resource:a compilation CD).
Coeshee 08:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orchestral suite 

message: I eliminated the combination Synopsis/Structure table. Rationale:
1) To make this page consistent with others that have separate Synopses and Structure sections. 
2) Maintaining them together limits the ability to embed graphics.
3) The two lists did not synchronize event-wise, and would likely continue to fail to align, given periodic changes to each list. Ivan Velikii (talk) 02:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Table

message: Why are references in popular culture integrated into the adaptations heading? That doesn't make much sense. 151.201.32.126 (talk) 02:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adaptations 

message: How should the name of the composer of the music for “Serenade” be spelled? Most Westerners now spell it Tchaikovsky, but City Ballet took up, during Balanchine’s lifetime, the spelling Tschaikovsky. Why? Because that’s how the composer spelled it when he was in New York in 1891. (My thanks to the reader who sent me a copy of his Carnegie Hall autograph from the Pierpont Morgan Library.) 
:NY Times article by Alastair Macaulay, June 1, 2007
=== See also === 
* Official website Carnegie Hall
::— Robert Greer (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling used most extensively in the English-speaking world is "Tchaikovsky." The composer signed his own name "Tschaikowsky" when using Latin letters, as in the signature I personally saw on the score of the Piano Trio, Op. 50 that was used by Henry Holden Huss in the New York performance in 1891 at which the composer was present. Csmpsn (talk)
* There are at least two different spellings of the composer's name(s) in current use on WP. I believe we ought to establish only one spelling and use it across WP. The lack of one is chiefly because discussions have not been focused in one place.  The controversy has been included - and to some extent resolved - independently on the discussion pages for at least two articles, with each spelling supported by valid arguments.   It seems best to continue the discussion and resolve the controversy in only one place, and that should be the discussion page for the composer himself, so I'll refer future comments to Talk:Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky#Spelling of "Tchaikovsky" and ask you to make them there, please. Twistlethrop (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tschaikovsky vs. Tchaikovsky 

message: * Official website Carnegie Hall
::— Robert Greer (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The spelling used most extensively in the English-speaking world is "Tchaikovsky." The composer signed his own name "Tschaikowsky" when using Latin letters, as in the signature I personally saw on the score of the Piano Trio, Op. 50 that was used by Henry Holden Huss in the New York performance in 1891 at which the composer was present. Csmpsn (talk)
* There are at least two different spellings of the composer's name(s) in current use on WP. I believe we ought to establish only one spelling and use it across WP. The lack of one is chiefly because discussions have not been focused in one place.  The controversy has been included - and to some extent resolved - independently on the discussion pages for at least two articles, with each spelling supported by valid arguments.   It seems best to continue the discussion and resolve the controversy in only one place, and that should be the discussion page for the composer himself, so I'll refer future comments to Talk:Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky#Spelling of "Tchaikovsky" and ask you to make them there, please. Twistlethrop (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also 

message: The subsection on von Rothbart was previously a seperate article which is now a redirect to Swan Lake#von Rothbart. — Robert Greer (talk) 15:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  von Rothbart 

message: i just read this article and as far as i know Odette is not a fairy just a princess that got turned into a swan...i'm surprised no one noticed that. also the article does not mention the swan maidens, who are some other girls that got turned into swans. and also i just wanted to ask: why is there an entire section on von rothbart and not any of the other characters? ?????????Fffgg (talk) 18:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: odette

message: Could someone please mop up the Odette section? It's far too cumbersome as it is, and the subheadings for Swan Princess and Barbie of Swan Lake have no reason to be here, especially as each has their own wiki pages.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.170.7 (talk) 04:12, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  3.1 Odette Cleanup 

message: Contradictory information is given, in different parts of the article, on the ending used in the original productions of Swan Lake, while Tchaikovsky was still alive (1877 to 1893).  In the section "Petipa-Ivanov-Drigo revival of 1895", it is stated "... the most prominent being his [Tchaikovsky's brother Modest] revision of the ballet's finale; instead of the lovers simply drowning at the hand of the wicked Von Rothbart as in the original 1877 scenario, Odette commits suicide by drowning herself ...".  However, in the section "Synopsis, Act 4" it is stated "In the original 1877 ballet, Siegfried struggles with Von Rothbart and tears off one of his wings, thereby destroying his powers.  Siegfried has broken the spell of the swan maidens and marries Odette."
I do not know the correct answer to the question, which ending was used during the lifetime of Tchaikovsky?  Maybe the answer can be found in a biography of Tchaikovsky or a history of Russian ballet.
Lhrobins (talk) 03:40, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ending used while Tchaikovsky was alive 

message: The ballet was premiered by the Bolshoi Ballet on March 4 [O.S. February 20] 1877[2][3] at the Bolshoi Theatre in Moscow, billed as The Lake of the Swans.
* I'm not sure how to intepret this.  Are we saying it had an English title - in a Russian theatre?  Or are we saying it had the French title Le lac des cygnes, which translates literally as "The Lake of the Swans"?  Or did it have the Russian title?  If French is the answer, you can't just translate it word for word into English and assert that that was how it was billed. You have to translate the whole title, and the only correct translation of Le lac des cygnes is "Swan Lake", not "The Lake of the Swans".  --  ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 08:54, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  No response, so I'm removing this silly claim.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 21:40, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Billing title

message: I'd like to propose some changes to the synopsis so that it more closely follows the 1895 Petipa and Ivanov version of the ballet. Although there are many versions of Swan Lake, this is still the most frequently performed. The key additions I'd suggest are: 
*Siegfried's friends (in particular, Benno, a key character), with whom he pursues the swans. 
* Siegfried's birthday party, with which Act I of the Petipa/Ivanov version opens. 
*The six princesses with whom Siegfried dances at the palace ball, at the instruction of his mother. 
*The vision of Odette that appears, trying to warn Siegfried as he dances with Odile.  
Any thoughts on these changes would be much appreciated. Many thanks! OperaBalletRose (talk) 16:33, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Synopsis

message: information on the Cats' UK #48 cover version of this song?--Launchballer 16:22, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not belong in the article as this is about the entire ballet. Individual song covers, even with a citation, are not notable enough for inclusion in this article. Icarus of old (talk) 17:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops - completely forgot about this. Would a separate article on it be worth including?--Launchballer 10:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where do I put 

message: I wonder whether people think I should or should not add a bullet item on the 1983 Pacific Northwest Ballet adaption by Kent Stowell. This version changes the ending: "Odette, now resigned to her existence, bids a sad, lingering farewell to Siegfried. The Prince knows that she is gone forever. In utter grief, he is  left alone." The deaths of Rothbart and Odille are omitted, as is any apotheosis. It also moves the first act from a village to the court. This version was reworked in 2003 and remains prominent in the company's repertoire. Does that sound "significant" enough to warrant inclusion in the list of Adaptations? (Reference: http://www.pnb.org/Season/12-13/SwanLake/#Details-Story) GCL (talk) 22:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Pacific Northwest Ballet version

message: Someone made a horribly structured addition about Swan Lake in the TV show Once Upon a Time. They used @ symbols and the word thru among other things. I honestly can't make sense of half of what they're trying to say. Can someone clean this up, or just delete it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.140.181 (talk) 06:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once Upon A Time 

message: The story is allegedly based on German and Russian fairy tales, and the ballet is of Russian origin, but the English version of the names in the story is that of French. I am just curious why the English names are not transcribed from Russian so that Odette and Odile would be Odeta and Odilia, respectively. --Roland (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odeta/Odilia vs. Odette/Odile 

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message: Who claimed Swan Lake was inspired by "The White Duck"? It's not in the article given as a source (Wayback: https://web.archive.org/web/20170329022755/http://www.roh.org.uk/news/the-swan-lake-mystery-an-amalgam-of-different-fairytales)
A lot of books 2015 and after mention this connection, but are they just pulling from this page? Sgallison (talk) 15:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The White Duck? 

message: I with friends was add it to talking was fun. 2600:8802:1810:500:A1AC:175:F18F:285C (talk) 04:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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