Talk:Crom (fictional deity)

message: I have an issue with this article. Crom was a real Pagan deity, Crom Cruich or Crom of the Mound. I don't have enough information to edit the article, but there are strong links with Ireland, and, if I remember correctly with an existing geographical feature from which the name "of the mound" is derived!
Jason
:The article mentions that Howard's Crom was inspired by Crom Cruich.  When Robert Howard created the fictional Hyborian Age, it was stated that the land of Cimmeria was inspired by Ireland and Britain while under Celtic control, even though the land sounds more like some part of ancient Scandanavia to me. Odin's Beard
::Also, if you will take the pain to look, you'll discover that the historical Crom Cruach does have his own page. I knew what I was doing when I created this one. Svartalf 17:32, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fictional as in, mentioned in and imagined for fiction, as opposed to worshipped by actual people. This is not the place to discuss the actual existence of divine beings --Svartalf 10:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's also worth noting that Crom in this context is essentially the creation of Howard. Author's intent is vital here. He is not an exact translation of Crom Cruich, and as "Svartalf" mentioned, Howard didn't mean for people to believe in or worship his Crom. He meant the god to be a fictional feature of his fictional word based around a fictional character. Awakeandalive1 20:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pagan deity

message: Somebody mentioned that Crom intervenes once to save a middle-aged Conan from an evil wizard... I don't remember this from the Scarlet Citadel or the Hour of the Dragon, could somebody remind me where this appeared? I'd say that if this bit is from apocryphal writings by somebody else than Howard (and it does not feel like he did it), it might be worth mentioning that it is not conform to the original. --Svartalf 10:59, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you mark it as unsourced or without references? I haven't read as many of Howard's Conan stories as I wish to, but if you can't find a mention of it then it needs to be marked. Awakeandalive1 20:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might be in Conan the Avenger by de Camp (see this blog entry ar REHupa).  It definitely is not in one of Howard's stories. - AdamBMorgan (talk) 16:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Crom's intervention

message: Are this article's sources limited to works by Howard? The Conan universe was created by him, but it was hugely expanded after his death. Since De Camp, Thomas, Busiek et al were all authorized to write their stories, shouldn't their works also be included in the canon?
That said, I recall reading a Conan comic in which the cimmerian releases the one and only Ishtar from the hands of an evil sorcerer. The goddess was bounded in human form and kept as a slave by a former priest of her cult. After her release, she abandons her human shell and appears floating in the sky as a glowing giant head talking with Conan. According to Google that story was originally published in Conan the Barbarian I #40 ("The Fiend from the Forgotten City"). Take a look at this site (picture of the apparition included) http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/inanna.htm .
Which implies that, although in Howard works the existence of gods in the Hyborian Age was ambiguous, some latter contributors to the canon made clear that they were very real.
189.21.103.2 (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would VERY MUCH like to separate the sources from Howard's original stories from that of the posthomous pastiche stories, primarily because the later sources diverge so greatly and citing them would deliver inaccurate impressions. Kortoso (talk) 17:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Ishtar intervention

message: I've been reading more Robert Howard and one of the characters, Conn, in Spears of Clontarf, a historical fiction, says the phrase "by Crom".  It is in the second chapter.  Crom is not a fictional god limited to only Conan it appears, apparently this deity influence spreads across Robert Howards many works.  This might be important to note in the page. --72.129.151.117 (talk) 18:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Conn was also the name of Conan's son within the Hyborean Age continuity.  From what I've gathered, Howard, who often rewrote some of his stories so that they fit within other canons he created, also reworked this one.  And it is likely that he either added the reference intending to set it within the Hyborean, or accidentally left it in when adapting it to a different age.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.107.182 (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

text: As a work of historical fiction, that would be a reference to the historical deity (Crom), not to the Hyborian subject of this article. Kortoso (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spears of Clontarf 

message: According to the article, there is a reference to Crom in the movie, The Secret of Kells.  However, the reference in that movie is not to Robert E. Howard's fictional deity, but to the Celtic deity, Crom Cruach.  This needs to be corrected.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.107.182 (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book of Kells Reference 

message: IMHO this needs major rewriting. Can we acheive consensus on this?
* Stick to quotes from the stories. Refrain from speculation/original research.
* Let's separate the non-canonical stories ("Works by other authors" or somesuch) from the original stories. Otherwise we wind up referencing the TV cartoons, movies and whatnot. 
What say ye? Kortoso (talk) 17:29, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature of the god