Talk:Central European University

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message: While informative about the University, the information available causes it appear almost like an advertisement. I suggest a discussion be made about the neutrality of this article, because I would not be surprised if it were written by the University's development staff. Phrases such as: "regional intellectual powerhouse," "generous financial aid packages" as well as the claim that the school "embodies Europe's cultural traditions" in the introduction alone raises a red flag for me. --Jzero23 (talk) 09:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It does look a bit promotional, I toned it down a bit, but it probably needs more.  The reference on "regional intellectual powerhouse" looks like it might be ok (from somewhere at Duke University), but it should be established that it is from a WP:Reliable source.  I'll leave the POV tag up, but with a little effort it could come down soon.  Smallbones (talk) 04:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Reading the article, I don't think there are any issues warranting the current tags; I reworded one remaining sentence that sounded a bit promotional, and will be removing the templates. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:50, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Ernest Gellner has been dead for some time now.... 79.70.34.13 (talk) 09:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Distinguished (former) faculty

message: Hello! I advocate that the faculty section be sorted into three sections sections - Notable Permanent Faculty, Notable Former Faculty, and Notable Visiting Faculty. This might sound a bit gratuitous; however, CEU brings in a good deal of visiting faculty, which is a large selling point for students in certain departments. For example, Thomas W. Laqueur and Rogers Brubaker are two recent visiting faculty, while Will Kymlicka is technically a recurring visiting faculty member and not full time.
Additionally, I think there should be a section with a list of rectors. This information is available at the university, and since the list is short and composed of notable scholars and politicians, it might be interesting to include here. --Joeyvandernaald (talk) 11:44, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions, Reorganizations 

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message: I suggest we make the notable alumni section look like Harvard University's, with a panel and images. I think it looks more professional and will add more pictures to the page. Joeyvandernaald (talk) 17:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been completed as of March 2018 Joeyvandernaald (talk) 14:25, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Alumni Section 

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message: Washington Post printed the following:
Klaniczay, a medieval studies professor at CEU, was on the list. But he’s used to it. He was on enemies’ lists during communist times as well.
Back then, he said, it was because he would occasionally sign petitions circulated among dissidents who sought changes to the regime.
This time, there appears to have been a more prosaic reason: He was included in a Wikipedia entry of notable CEU faculty from past and present, which had been copied name for name. Hence the names of the dead.
“It was very lazy,” he said.
I was trying to track down where exactly the list was taken from, and this is obviously the CEU they mean -- but I didn't see Klaniczay's name on the current list or a few history revisions I looked at.  It's possible he was added and deleted some time ago, but it's also possible there's another copy running around somewhere else on Wikipedia.  Has anyone looked into this yet? Wnt (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable alumni list from THIS ARTICLE reportedly used to generate "enemies list" some of whom were no longer living? 

message: Re:
 The article also referred to a report prepared by Hungary's Educational Authority, which revealed that 28 universities, including CEU, were being investigated for operating unlawfully in Hungary.[20] CEU issued a statement in response..
So X said that Y said that Z did Q while Z claimes that Z did not. Chinese whispers. 
-》 Can a (Hungarian speaker?) WP colleague locate this official report and update us on the facts in the article?
E.g. if without further specific agreements, non-EU teachers at CEU were earning money in Hungary without work permits, then CEU was breaking the preexisting local law. 
Spade is a spade. 
Zezen (talk) 07:23, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Hungarian report needed for update 

message: The page describes CEU as "ranked as one of the world's top universities in social sciences and humanities." This statement is specious. The World University Rankings 2016-2017 shows the university ranked between 301th and 350th. Hardly top-ranking.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.184.113.70 (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Is it really a top ranked university?

message: Suffice it to say that while it is possible to edit this wiki on CEU, that on Hungary (admittedly along with those on many other countries) is locked to prevent editorial access. Thus, to understand the various narratives surrounding the university's change of domicile, one needs to go beyond Wikipedia to such sources as Al-Jazeera. (See, for example, the video of its report: 'Hungary: the Bad Boy of Europe'). And to summarise current events relevant to the university's relocation fairly mildly, the Hungarian government is perhaps not the most welcoming to non-Hungarian, cosmopolitan influences. Thus one may reasonably ask whether Hungary is today what the Soros Institute and CEU itself would call an Open Society. On the other hand, one may also ask whether there was some justification for the Hungarian government's opposition to any university established in Hungary offering US-validated degrees.
Is this really necessary on the main page? This feels like something I'd read here on the talk page. Either explain the politics or don't go on this stupid tangent. This was cut by me on the main page within seconds of this talk page edit. NearMiddayNight Feel free to come talk with me 08:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Either say explain the politics or don't go on a rather unrelated, unnecessary tangent. 

message: Wow; the above is a lot of text. Just wanted to note a few things:
* Many words can be promotional or not promotional; flagship outside of the context of a multi-system university is generally promotional. To say "UC Berkeley is the flagship university of the University of California system" is a fact (even if there has recently been some controversy over that), as well as "Wisconsin—Madison is the flagship university of the University of Wisconsin system". However, to say one university is a flagship in a country or for an entire region, especially if not part of a public programme for such, clearly tries to elevate the institution. This should maybe be reworded.
* This article is relatively low quality; improving the overall article here seems to be higher priority that focusing on trying to make the intro sound like a pamphlet. If the article is poor, but the intro makes it sound like one of the great universities, it's hard to believe. The article focuses more on the recent Hungary fascism trend than anything else.
* As with the above information in the introduction should summarise the article, if the article doesn't contain enough information to justify these statements being relevant, then they shouldn't be there.
* Also; stating that the history of an institution should not be ignored just because it's positive seems good, but it's both flawed and a strawman; firstly, all institutions were founded by people hoping for it to be the best at what it does[citation needed] so taking the founders aims; without considering the long term impact of them is not productive. Secondly it's a strawman, you're pointing at saying "all good things should be removed" when the point is "some positive things without the backing in the article required is probably not appropriate".
* There is more leeway for more established institutions, where the historical context of the founding reflects the later developments, and thus part of the wider history.
Anyway, just some things to note Shadowssettle Need a word? 11:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Break 1