Talk:Sakhalin Koreans

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message: After most of the grammar & content problems have been addressed, this article should be elevated to GA status. (Wikimachine 22:59, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusion

message: *trace their roots to immigrants --> trace their roots to the immigrants
*immigrants from the Gyeongsang and Jeolla provinces of Korea during the late 1930s and early 1940s  I'm sure that what you want to say is "immigrants who came from the Gyeongsang and Jeolla provinces during the late 1930s and the early 1940s."
*At that time --> At the time
*was also under the control of the Empire of Japan Take out "also"
*forced Korean labourers into service Just Koreans within the working age? "Labourers" could make confusion (I'm assuming that not all of those drafted were laborers, at first).
*to fill labour shortages --> "fill the labour" Also, you don't have to use British spelling. American "labor" is fine.
*either for Japan or for their home Change "for" to "to"
*For the next forty years, they lived and raised "They could refer to either Japanese or Koreans. Change it to "Koreans"
*chose to remain. -->chose to stay... or chose to remain there. Remain's a vague word & should be used in only specific situations because it has so many prevalent uses. 
*Due to differences of language --> Due to the differences
*Sakhalin Koreans may or may not identify as Koryo-saram--> identify themselves
*Koryo-saram; the term "Koryo-saram" There's no need for ";" here. Actually, make parenthesis for the sentence following that point.
*there were fewer than one thousand Koreans in the whole of Karafuto Prefecture, overwhelmingly male. --> Try to use be verbs, passive verbs, etc. as little as possible. "fewer than one thousand Koreans, mostly male, inhabited the entire Karafuto Prefecture." 
*desire of the Japanese government When you talk about governments, you use more objective words. "Japanese government's aim"
*people on the groundEither unclear or unnecessary.
*sparsely-populated prefecture Sparcely populated  by Koreans?
*prefecture, the availability either this is a beginning of a sentence fragment or the infinitive "to put more" does not apply to "availability". Same applies to an influx of Korean immigrant 
*Russian-controlled Northern Sakhalin --> "Russian-controlled territory of Northern Sakhalin" Has to be clearer: controlled what of Northern Sakhalin? Road? City, state, province?
*fleeing the advance of the Russian Revolution What is fleeing the Russian Revolution? the Koreans or the Northern  Sakhalin? --> "to flee from the escalation of the Russian Revolution"
*as late as the mid 1930s, there were still fewer Get rid of "still". It sounds awkward or obvious because you already have "as late as".
*continued to import labour --> import more labor
*recruiters in Korea continued to import labour to the island to work in coal mines and lumber yards The recruiters imported more Koreans so that the recruiters could work in coal mines or because Koreans could? --> recruiters continued to import more Koreans to fill the increasing demands of the coal mines and lumber yards.
*At the peak -->At the height of Korean inhabitance... or At some point the Korean labor population reached up to 150,000.
*Of those, roughly 10,000 mine workers were relocated should be relocated to the end of the paragraph. Restate: "Around 10,000 mine workers were relocated to Japan prior to the War's end, and present-day Sakhalin Koreans' efforts to locate them proved futile.
*In order to deal with spies --> spy activities
*often --> frequently
*in order to Get rid of "in order", change to "as a counter intelligence measure within the Soviet-controlled Northern Sakhalin because, as indigenous inhabitants, they effectively avoided the Soviets' scrutiny.
** Above changes incorporated, aside from "laborers" (see WP:ENGVAR; the standard is the dialect used by the first contributor, unless there's an obvious reason to use either American or British) and "immigrants" vs. "the immigrants" and "differences" vs. "the differences" because I'm not sure what you're getting at. Also I reworked the sentences about "fleeing the advance of the Russian Revolution" entirely, not sure if that's any better. cab 00:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Done March 14th

message: *Ethnic Koreans could also be found on both sides of the border Maybe "also" is not also necessary. Add "although" and then get rid of "but" in the later sentence.
*the support for the ... among Koreans - are you trying to convey that not all Koreans supported the movement? If not, --> the populace's support for the Korean Independence Movement (should be capitalized, I'm sure). Get rid of "in 1937" at the end of the sentence b/c it's repetitive.
*deportation of Koreans Should be capitalized? Not sure myself.
*Against this background of mistrust --> Above the same background of mistrust, the Japanese civilians... What war's end? --> amidst the... I'm pretty sure that the reason why the Japanese killed the Koreans was to prevent them from revolting, or serving with the Russians. Right? I think that we could deliver that implication with your future correction. Actually, delete this because you are going to talk about in the following section.
*Japanese portion of Sakhalin I'm quite sure that territories are not referred to as "portions" in the context of war.
** Not sure what the word is here. It wasn't an occupied territory, but had been ceded after the Russo-Japanese war.
*resulting the deaths of 20,000 civilians.--> and 20,000 civilians were killed.
*In the confusion and terror that ensued Remove and terror? It doesn't sound encyclopedic. 
*a rumour began to spread that ... were massacred by Japanese people. a rumor that ethnic Koreans could be serving as spies for the Soviet Union spread, and led the Japanese authorities to commit massacre against the Koreans.
*Two examples ..., which lasted from August 20 to August 23, 1945.--> Despite the generally limited amount of information about the massacres, two examples of the massacre are comparatively well-known today: the incident in Kamishisuka on August 18, 1945, and another at the Mizuho Village,  from August 20 to August 23, 1945.
*In Kamishisuka, on August 17 or August 18, Start another paragraph. Delete "on August 17 or August 18" (repetitive).
*19 Koreans were taken to the police on suspicions of spying; of those, 18 were found shot within the police station the next day --> the Japanese police arrested 19 Koreans on charges of spy activities, and killed 18 the next day.
*In Mizuho Village, where Koreans and Japanese lived and worked side by side, Koreans typically worked as tenant farmers or contract labourers on construction projects --> In Mizuho Village,  Japanese evacuees from the north of the Soviet-Japanese line of control claimed that the Koreans were cooperating with the Red Army and that they were pillaging Japanese property, and caused fear of Koreans among the local Japanese population that resulted in the execution of Koreans from August 20 to August 23, 1945
** I avoided the word "execution" here because, unlike the massacre in Kamishisuka, most evidence points to the fact that this was done by the civilians rather than the police. cab 01:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done March 17th 

message: *However, out of the 150,000 Koreans on the island, while many were able to return to mainland Japan or the northern half of the Korean peninsula, roughly 43,000 were not accepted for repatriation by Japan, and also could not be repatriated to the southern half of the Korean peninsula due to the political situation --> Many of the 150,000 Koreans on the island safely returned to mainland Japan and the northern half of the Korean peninsula; however, roughly 43,000 out of the 150,000... (Isn't repatriated repetitive?) (Wikimachine 01:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done 01:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC) 

message: *the Soviet Union also--> also the Soviet Union
** John and also Mary like apples but not John likes apples. Also Mary likes apples cab 22:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Wow, take a look at how much work we've accomplished! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikimachine (talk • contribs) 21:27, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done 22:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC) 

message: *Sakhalin and South Korea, and North and South Korea --> "Sakhalin and South Korea, and the two Koreas"
*influence among the Sakhalin Koreans --> "influence on the Sakhalin Koreans:" (link it to the next sentence with ":")... By the way, could you specify what type of influence? Economic? Cultural?
*local programming I'm sure this is "local programs"
** . Programs might be right also, but to me, it makes it sound more like they are picking and choosing arbitrary local programs at random, rather than having a set schedule of broadcasting of local content. cab 03:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Done 03:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

message: *The introduction's thesis statement does not clarify who they are. Ok, they're from those 2 provinces. But where did they go to? Where do they live now? Any distinctive characteristic?
** Not really sure how to say it more clearly. They're the descendants of the Koreans who were imported to Sakhalin and trapped there at the close of WWII. cab 00:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Done

message: *That they speak more fluent Korean than those deported to Central Asia... there's no link between their fluency & their soujourner. 
*All the examples of radio, tv broadcasts... they don't make a link on why they keep this soujourner mentality. Too abrupt. Reword it to something better.
*Explain that Koryo mar is descended from Hanxxx dialect.
(Wikimachine 16:46, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not yet done

message: GA on hold's are supposed to be fixed w/i 7 days or something like that. We're past the deadline. Oh well. Just to let you know, we ought to get these fixed as soon as possible. Additionally, you seem to be confident in grammar yourself. You could proceed on fixing the remaining 3 paragraphs yourself. (Wikimachine 03:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your effort and sorry for the delay; was away for the weekend. Hoping to get the rest of these finished over the next day or two. Though technically, the on-hold template isn't supposed to go on until the review is finished. Cheers, cab 03:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on GA 

message: Congradulations everyone for making this article a GA! I see that there can be a little room for further improvements, and 3~4 recommendations have not been carried out yet. However the state that this article is in right now is good enough to be a GA & I'm guessing that the major contributors to this article, including CaliforniaAliBaba, would go on to fix them very soon. (Wikimachine 02:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your effort and patience in untwisting my grammar and content problems! As pointed out above, going forward the obvious targets for improvement are in the "Music" and "Religion" sections, as well as trying to figure out more about the sympathetic movements in Japan and S. Korea ("Attention from the outside world") rather than the cursory overview it has now. cab 10:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you can, see if more images can be added to the article. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 04:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: I thought the occupation period ended in 1910.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.236.145 (talk) 06:03, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is wrong.  Please see Korea under Japanese rule. cab (talk) 06:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese occupation of Korea