Talk:London Underground 2005 Stock

message: I'm not much good with images in Wikipedia, but I've put a load of photos of the new stock up here  and they're all licensed in such a way that Wikipedia can use them. Tompagenet 22:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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message: Title is "2005 Stock" but article says "2009"; which is correct? Dan100 (Talk) 14:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 2005 stock - like Northern (1995 stock) entered service in 1998. Willkm 17:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, someone else is thinking differently.. I'll try to check with LU/Metronet. Willkm 13:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: On the unofficial LU forum I read, it is consistently called 2009 Stock. I've created London Underground 2009 Stock as a redirect so we don't get a duplicate/rival article. Thryduulf 15:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article and the train type IS called the 2005 stock, in common with all tube trains, the train is named after the year they were designed, not the year they entered service (duh!). Lenny 14:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite. For example, the Jubilee 1996 stock started in service in December 1997. If you think Alstom managed to design and build it in 18 months, then I've got a bridge you might want to buy. The relevant Wiki article explains Tube train numbering as "the year in which it was anticipated at the time of ordering that it would be delivered (this sometimes proves optimistic)". On this basis, 2009 stock is the correct title for this article. Probably we should wait until the name is used in some official source before we correct the article (to 2009 TS with 2005 TS serving as a redirect) though. --Stalinism 15:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The stock is referred to as 2009TS inside London Underground, so that's what we should be calling it here - can someone re-name the page and make 2005 a re-direct? Tompagenet 11:16, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then based on one source I have read, and based on the above, it should be the 2013 stock.  http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/downloads/pdf/business-plan/2006/inv-prog/1-lul.pdf page 18 mentions the year as 2013 when the stock will enter service on the Victoria Line.  I was always told it was the year the trains were ordered.  If it is already designed then the turnaround time is less than a train that is designed from scratch.Jsp3970 14:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you're misreading the TfL business plan. The stock is planned to be *fully* delivered by 2013, but the first introduction is scheduled for 2009 - []. Not sure what your "already designed" point is about: the 1996 TS was a new design. The 1995 TS was an evolution of the 1996 TS design (bizarre though that sounds). Similarly, the 1992 stock on the Central Line was a brand new design, introduced in April 1993. This article should be called London Underground 2009 Stock; the longer we leave it under the wrong title, the sillier we look to anyone involved with LUL - Stalinism 16:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have had an email from Metronet: they will be classified as 2009 stock. Sorry for causing confusion in February... Willkm 19:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems very bizarre that the pre-production units should be built before that year the stock is named after, i.e. 2009 stock built in 2006. Has this happened before, or are the pre-production units classified differently? Our Phellap 20:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Our Phellap, to clarify, the year after which the stock is classified is the intended year for which many units of the stock will begin to be rolled out for passenger service across the line. This does not affect the pre-production model. The trains will undergo construction between now and the end of construction (2009 or possibly later), for entry into full passenger service (gradually replacing the 1967 stock) in 2009. Although a prototype will (I believe) potentially begin passenger service in 2007, this is exempt from the rule because the train is a prototype and not 'final'. DarkBiolizard 16:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been many prototype trains built and these were given there own designation.  1935 stock, 1956 stock, 1960 stock, 1986 stock, plus there were types of standard stock that were built as prototypes and were classified as such.  Of course the system is not the same anymore so who knows what rules they follow! Jsp3970 14:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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