Talk:Ilyo Voyvoda

message: Ok, so there are two sources that say he was Bulgarian (one of witch is more than reliable as it is from a revolutionary/writer who lived at the time). I can even put the ottoman census of the time as a source, cause it says there were no Ethnic Macedonians in the beginning of the XIX century. --Laveol T 10:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: During World War II the whole population of what is now the Republic of Macedonia "felt" they were Bulgarian, and so what? It means your grandparents changed the way they feel from Bulgarian (up to 1912-1913) to Serbian (until 1939) to Bulgarian again (to 1945) and then to ethnic Macedonian till today. Have you been to Bulgaria? I don't imagine so considering statements like yours. And if you have - how many people you met thought they were ethnic macedonians and not Macedonian Bulgarians as everybody in Blagoevgrad and the surrounding area feel they are? Let Bulgarians be Bulgarians and be whatever you want yourself. The Bold poor people from UMO Ilinden  - that was rich. You know all of your strange stuff is considered such a funny joke in Bulgaria and especially in the Pirin part of it. And none of your racist blogs, none of your ultramacedonistic newspapers can change this. They just make it look more pitiful. --Laveol T 22:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose have never been in macedonia laveol. You say funny things that your propaganda serves you. Come to Macedonia, come to Bitola, take a walk trough bitola villages there are plenty of centarians and ask them what they felt before '39, '25, ask what they parents felt like and tell me: what did you hear? When i asked my grandma did her parents feel bulgarians she said: "there were no bulgarians at that time". For example, my surname is older than 400 years and it ends with -ski all that time; it was changed to -ic when serbians came and to -ov when bulgarians came, and after the war it was again -ski. see this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AycvH342zyU&feature=PlayList&p=A22120BAF9E373DA&index=53 (look at Yane's 'soborec')--strich3D 09:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm full of stories like this, too, you know. Part of my family still lives somewhere in the Republic of Macedonia, but we have (or better say my grandparents) lost track of them in the 70-ies. They had the same family as mine, only ending in -ski (they were forced to add the -ski, but still thought they were Bulgarian deep into the communist regime). And then at some point there letters have stopped coming. Noone knows what happened to them. I'm pretty sure it wasn't healthy to feel Bulgarian at the time so either something 'happened' to them or they suddenly were forced to change their views. You can be forced to do anything and tell your children anything is their life is at stake, I guess. --Laveol T 11:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: Please do not reinsert the Macedonian revolutionary category. The person is clearly not ethnic Macedonian, as he never described as such. Refer to Wikipedia:Fringe theories. Also Inkubusse, do try to remain civil. If you want to insert a Macedonian category, consider "People from the region of Macedonia" as an alternative. ForeignerFromTheEast 23:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't say he's clearly not Macedonian, because nothing is clear with these revolutionaries from the 1900s. He's considered an ethnic Macedonian (although not by the majority) and he deserves the category. iNkubusse? 11:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to make a confirmation for Ireland - look at my suggestion and the later Manual of style addition - it is for people active in the xx century - Illyo died in 1898 and does not fall into this category. --Laveol T 10:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
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