Talk:Michael Fassbender

message: I know next to nothing about Michael Fassbender, having only just seen him in Jane Eyre. I'm also a straight guy, so I'm little interested in his personal charms. I am therefore a disinterested commentator in remarking that the first paragraph of the current edit might be perfect material for a letter to a fanzine from an adoring fan, but in Wikipedia is nothing more than preposterous.  Will someone who is informed and interested to do so please review and rewrite this.  This is the first time I have come across something in Wikipedia which risks discrediting it entirely in my eyes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drawbridge (talk • contribs) 11:09, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What are yuo referring to? Murry1975 (talk) 18:46, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographical or Hagiographical? Wikipedia or Fanopedia? 

message: Amongst the various spats that exist here, can I suggest that we return to matters of grammar?
So, it appears that "Fassbender first played the role of Burton "Pat" Christenson".
Now, what does that mean?  Who "second" played the role?
I think what the phrase should say is "Fassbender's first [film?] role was that of Burton "Pat" Christenson".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.83.150 (talk) 12:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good spot, done. Murry1975 (talk) 12:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fassbender first played the role of Burton "Pat" Christenson 

message: Hi, the box says he currently lives in Hackney but the Personal Life section sez East End. Which is it? Is it both? --Aichik (talk) 19:43, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hackney v. East End 

message: Reading the above I know discoursing on the extent of M. Fassbender's love life is controversial. So, I thought I'd run this: He's kind of mischievous on-set, having a tendency to kiss his female co-stars full on the mouth: 1 and 2. What do you think? Reveals a little bit about his personality and working methods too.--Aichik (talk) 22:59, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not encyclopedic. Murry1975 (talk) 16:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Explain WHY. There's a reason people consult Wikipedia and not the Encyclopedia Brittanica. --Aichik (talk) 01:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fassbender's style with lady co-stars 

message: I don't know the guy and I don't have a dog in the fight, only having gotten here from reading the latest at WP:3RR. Seems like this should be pretty non-controversial: Born in Germany, living in Ireland, and identifies as an Irishman (from the section header 2011: Michael also had a small, yet important role in Steven Soderbergh’s Haywire as Paul. Soderbergh accused Michael of being irritatingly cheerful whilst on set.  He also had a lead part in BAFTA winning short, Pitch Black Heist alongside fellow Irishman, Liam Cunningham and Directed by John Maclean). Seems like we should be able to agree about this one. J♯m (talk | contribs) 16:53, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The initial problem was that there was no citation to back up the claim: a clear BLP violation. Place of birth ≠ nationality, which is a grey area. To try and claim he was one thing without any cittation was a clear breach of our policy: not a guideline or anything as wishy-washy, but a hardline policy. A citation has now been added (although I'd prefer to stick to Irish: the nationality he gives himself, not what some lazy-arsed journo calls him – possibly after looking at what was an uncited claim on this site). – SchroCat (talk) 18:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Again an IP is reverting, with OR. Seems a good time to reopen. Murry1975 (talk) 18:25, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Actually, it's not the end of the story. It still needs reliable references.--Dmol (talk) 08:18, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

text: This IP seems entirely unfamilar with British (or, indeed, Irish) rules on residency and laws on citizenship. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  German? Irish? German-Irish? 

message: In good English this should read "when he was a struggling actor". Unfortunately I'm not allowed to edit the article, otherwise I'd make the change myself. The error also suggests to me that the article was written by a non-native user of English, since this is a typically German (and Dutch) mistake.188.230.248.85 (talk) 16:34, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "when he was struggling actor" 

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message: Today I edited Fassbender's Personal Life section to reflect two definite past partners of Michael's who were for some reason not present, Zoe Kravitz and Nicole Beharie. I am new here, but I reviewed the talk page and the Wikipedia policies regarding Biographies of Living Persons and used trustworthy sources. I know this information used to be here but was deleted and I am hoping it doesn't get deleted again because I don't know of any good reason it should be. If I am missing something, I appreciate the guidance of more experienced Wiki editors. Butterynutjob (talk) 01:45, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This reference is pretty low quality fan stuff rather than serious journalism discussing Fassbender's personal life. Perhaps that was the concern. Otherwise, the two relationships you introduced are, I think, appropriate enough for the biography. Are there better sources? Binksternet (talk) 17:47, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia whitewashing is mentioned in this article. [].  It’s going to be a lot harder to suppress the information now. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 17:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life - Dating History 

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message: These allegations are unsubstantiated and do not give an accurate picture of what went down. The ex girlfriend applied for a restraining order 9 months after he allegedly attacked her and when he had moved back to the UK. There were no witnesses and no evidence to support her allegations. She had also behaved in a similar fashion towards a previous ex prior to Fassbender, filing charges to obtain money that were later withdrawn. The way this currently reads makes it sound like she magnanimously withdrew the charges, not that she had to due to there being zero proof.
In addition, the only reference given is TMZ and when the link (65) is clicked it doesn’t direct to any article.
As this page is protected I can’t edit it, but am requesting this section is removed for the reasons given above. Londoneyes (talk) 01:47, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the paragraph, it seems to me that it is in violation of WP:BLP. --Tobias (Talk) 22:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse allegations in personal section 

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message: My proposed edit is probably controversial but this statement below, which is taken exactly from the article which is cited, is untrue:
"and he speaks German fluently,[13]" 
There are several interviews in German available on YouTube and in none of them is he speaking "fluently", which I claim as a native German speaker. I am sure every other native German speaker would agree as well, not sure how one would exactly test if language skills are fluent or not, but based on the following example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBvpOCWc73g
he demonstrates a severe knowledge deficit in German vocabulary, his declension of most nouns and tenses of verbs are wrong, and most strikingly of all his pronunciation is bad.
How is this fluent?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fluent
2 a : capable of using a language easily and accurately
While I agree that it is probably easier for him to express himself in German than foreign speakers, by no means is he using the language accurately.
I don't know how the original author of this controversial statement from The Guardian is, but I doubt they are able to judge if someone can speak a language fluently or not.
My suggestion for this edit would be to omit this controversial statement from the article completely.
Thanks. 188.98.103.36 (talk) 20:34, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: His fluency would be best described as that of non-native speaker of German, but because he was born in Germany, he can't technically be called a non-native speaker. It's obvious that his proficiency level is not highly fluent, but there are degrees of fluency — so calling him "fluent" is not completely a misnomer. Basically, if he can communicate without a translator then he's fluent. (Although some might argue that it's the Germans who would need a translator to understand his German.) Spintendo ᔦᔭ 08:06, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Not done: Per above. Nihlus 20:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2018 

message: IndieWire has published this article today. Can the accusations be included?--Gonzalo84 (talk) 16:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the original Daily Beast article. [] Looks legit. Too bad - he seemed like a good guy. Expect to see other media outlets pick up on this. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can this be included? 

message: These reports are not included in his wikipedia and are National News, please add these links and stories.
https://www.selmafonseca.com/michael-fassbender-leasi-andrews/2018/2/13/why-are-we-turning-a-blind-eye-on-michael-fassbender
https://www.selmafonseca.com/michael-fassbender-leasi-andrews/2018/2/13/michael-fassbender-legal-papers
https://www.selmafonseca.com/michael-fassbender-leasi-andrews/2018/3/6/why-are-michael-fassbenders-stans-victim-blaming
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-shocking-abuse-allegations-against-michael-fassbender
http://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/michael-fassbender-abuse-allegations-sunawin-leasi-andrews-1201927946/
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/13/michael-fassbender-abuse-allegations-resurface-following-kung-fury-announcement.html
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/celebrities-gone-bad/shock-abuse-allegations-against-michael-fassbender-resurface/news-story/1a0c56a05e14e967c72c5f7b5fee5baa
http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/02/13/two-time-oscar-nominee-michael-fassbender-alleged-to-have-physically-abused-ex-girlfriend-described-in-2010-police-report
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5392861/Michael-Fassbender-domestic-abuse-claims-resurface.html Selmafonseca (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2018 

message: This piece has recently been added. It amounts to no more than an unsubstantiated allegation by someone with a questionable motive. No evidence was produced, no restraining order was given and the police found no case to answer.
This topic was mischievously resurfaced by the Daily Beast (reputable??) under the pretext of being relevant to the #metoo campaign.
It was a deliberate attempt to damage his reputation which Wikipedia is now collaborating with and it should be removed.
Btw - the original “source” back in 2010 was TMZ .... no other 
In 2010, Fassbender's then ex-girlfriend, Sunawin Andrews, filed a restraining order against him in Los Angeles County Superior Court, alleging that he "threw me over a chair breaking my nose" in 2009, and that he had also dragged her alongside his car, injuring her her ankle and knee, as well as causing her to burst an ovarian cyst.[73] The Daily Beast resurfaced the allegations, to which Fassbender had not publicly responded, in 2018 in the wake of the Me Too movement.[74]“ Londoneyes (talk) 07:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I did my best to cite only what we could verify: a restraining order was requested, a complaint was filed, and an allegation was presented. We do not know that it was "a deliberate attempt to damage his reputation"; similarly, we don't know her motives. There were reportedly medical records as well as police reports, both of which are types of evidence. I admit that this seems murky to me; if you'd like to open a WP:RFC for wider discussion, I'd encourage that. (If you'd prefer I open one, please let me know.) grendel|khan 23:00, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does it no longer state that the restraining order was requested? All the information about these allegations is gone now. 1.145.170.169 (talk) 14:08, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insertion of unsubstantiated allegations - Michael Fassbender page 

message: @grendelkhan I think your reply to me sums up what flimsy information there is. Yes a complaint was made and a restraining order requested. But no restraining order was granted and there was no medical evidence to substantiate her claims; if you take the time to investigate further you will see her medical bills were not for the injuries she alleged, they bear more resemblance to bills for cosmetic surgery. The police did investigate at the time and found no case to answer. Indeed there is no “proof” Ms Andrews rehashed her tale this year to try to damage his reputation but it was coincidentally timed so as to maximise publicity at the same time as Mr Fassbender’s wife was promoting her Tomb Raider movie. Interestingly Ms Andrews’ vociferous friend who earlier this year was pushing this tale has now deleted all her tweets and references to it. I am surprised that Wikipedia would consider such unsubstantiated allegations worthy of inclusion. Londoneyes (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no single agent named "Wikipedia"; I don't represent such an entity any more than you do. We're all trying to do our best here. I see a lot of guesses about motives, and a lot of unsourced statements. I'm opening an RFC; see below. grendel|khan 09:04, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Fassbender 

message: Should the "Personal life" section contain allegations of physical abuse against Sunawin Andrews? grendel|khan 09:04, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's Wikipedia's lowdown on it, again per WP:RSP: . There is no reason to add Wikipedia to the sites mirroring such sources about a living person. -The Gnome (talk) 08:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC about allegations of physical abuse 

message: *No - Fassbender fits the definition of WP:WELLKNOWN under WP:BLP -  (emphasis per BLP). I see two sources citing that paragraph, with one of them being TMZ -a tabloid news website, and the other The Daily Beast. So unless multiple and reliable sources can be found, leave it out. Isaidnoway (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's Wikipedia's lowdown on it, again per WP:RSP: . There is no reason to add Wikipedia to the sites mirroring such sources about a living person. -The Gnome (talk) 08:34, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Not sure if anyone wants to dig into this and add it, but evidently he's collaborating with Porsche motorsport and doing some low-level racing with them?  Porsche created a promotional video about it here on their YouTube channel. I assume there's a citable source about this out there somewhere, if anyone's interested. RobertM525 (talk) 00:33, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorsports? 

message: * Leasi Andrews
* "Michael dated the actress from 2008 to 2009. The following year, she filed a petition for a restraining order, alleging that he had physically assaulted her."
* "The actor's former girlfriend, Sunawin “Leasi” Andrews, says she was the victim of domestic abuse at the hands of Fassbender in 2009."
* "Michael Fassbender enjoyed a torrid — and rather public — reunion with an ex-girlfriend, "Dante's Cove" actress Leasi Andrews, early Monday morning."
* "“Leasi, a model, claimed that the Killarney man attacked her in a drunken rage after a film festival, breaking her nose and causing her to fear for her two young children,” the article stated."
* Leasi Andrews - Getty Images
* Sunawin Andrews - Model - Elite Model Management - LinkedIn
* "Michael Fassbender and Sunawin "Leasi" Andrews arriving at the Irish Film and Television awards (IFTAs) held at the Burlington Hotel, Dublin. Saturday 14th February"
* "Personal Injury - Motor Vehicle case was filed by Zachary Holland against Sunawin Leasi Andrews"
* "But (Lawrence) Bender is said to have disapproved when gorgeous Leasi, who has dated Leo DiCaprio and Terrence Howard, started seeing one of Tarantino's stars, Michael Fassbender."
24.7.104.84 (talk) 23:26, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunawin 'Leasi' Andrews  

message: The article seems to be protected, so I'm not able to add a "he" in the "future projects" chapter: "And HE will star in Next Goal Wins ..." 89.204.137.28 (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing word 

message: "Fassbender is fluent in German and has expressed interest in performing in a German-language film or play"
A lot of his dialog in First Class and Apocalypse was in German and I think that's worth adding. 73.70.13.107 (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life: German fluency 

message: He is part Irish 2A02:8084:26C1:1F80:9124:774D:A32A:F57E (talk) 15:21, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 January 2022 

message: Years on from these discussion, how is it that the abuse allegations and restraining order are now mentioned nowhere on this Wikipedia page? Even if you don't believe the allegations, surely they are notable enough to make the cut for inclusion. People can decide for themselves what they think the veracity of the claims are, but surely the editors making the decision that they're unfounded on behalf of readers and deliberately obscuring the information is against the principles of Wikipedia and accessible information. 1.145.170.169 (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: there are definitely non-tabloid sources covering this:  Hemiauchenia (talk) 06:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia has become a democracy where people's feelings matter more than facts. This entire conversation proves that the people in charge of editing this page don't know what facts are and don't care. Allowing such people to have any type of power over information basically turns wikipedia into a popularity contest as opposed to an encyclopedia that makes publicly available facts easy to find. When the people put in charge of information pretend to be blind, we all have to contend with their blind spot. 2601:18D:4600:3050:574:3FE0:8C46:3539 (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The main sourcing for the legal filing backing up the TMZ report appears to be The Daily Beast, which has been deemed by Wikipedia to not be reliable enough above, which was why it was closed. The amount of consensus needed to reach that original decision was not nearly satisfactory in terms of the number of people that contributed and I'm cynical enough to believe some came from his team and any pushback now will be from someone promoting his new film post race car career to film. What we need is a new petition on here on the sufficiency of that source. Onan808 (talk) 21:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Buzzfeed News (not regular Buzzfeed) recently released an article about it. From what I understand Buzzfeed News is considered a reliable source. Here is the article link. I'm new here so I can't add it as a citation (glad to see it's semi-protected now) but maybe y'all can Elehnsherr (talk) 00:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Buzzfeed News is a reliable source, but such an allegation will require more than just one source or else there will be a neutrality issue. That’s why it’s best to wait. Trillfendi (talk) 02:44, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of that policy or guideline. Could you point to it, please, or explain how it is a "neutrality issue" if there was only one source? We can always report on what sources say. Regardless, there are now several reliable sources in the article. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You can read it here. Trillfendi (talk) 19:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm aware of our neutrality policy, it's one of the five pillars. Above, though, you're implying the existence of only one source would cause a neutrality issue. This does not seem to an actual policy. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:35, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The weight of such controversial subject matter would be undue with only one source. So yes…. Trillfendi (talk) 20:52, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

text: I disagree with that statement. Say for example The Baltimore Sun (a reliable source) did an investigative article about a local politician involved in an affair or some similar scandal. Most if not all other articles about said incident (including some from reliable sources) will all say at some point "[xxx] from the Baltimore Sun reported...". Does this make that a neutrality issue? I agree with the above, the existence of one source causing a neutrality issue is not an actual policy. (At least in my interpretation, I could be wrong) WP:Undue isn't about that, the examples they use is "Don't talk about Flat Earthers on the page for Earth", since that is a minority view and should not be given undue weight. A legitimate source reporting a legal matter related to an incident of alleged abuse does not seem to apply to that.RF23 (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding is the same as my understanding. If Trillfendi can point to policy, she should do so (specifically, to the point in a policy that backs up her position, not a link to a full and broad policy page). The point is moot, though, given there are now multiple reliable sources in the article. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 00:00, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisiting abuse allegations  

message: The Irish Sunday Mail:
"Regarding the case on Fassbender, LA county Steve Cooley continued the investigation after Andrew's charges were dropped. Two unnamed witnesses were interviewed by victim services of LA county. DA. Cooley concluded, no evidence appeared in statute to require any investigation against the german born-irish actor. The actor gave a ICO.8 statement and no charges were filed." Hoya117 (talk) 05:21, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse allegations 

message: Walter One did not appear in Prometheus; only Alein Covenant. I just wanted to amend this. Thanks Domhonmong (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 20:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2023 

message: In a 2017 interview with Time Out, Fassbender said the following:
"I’ve actually got a German passport! I’ve been meaning to get an Irish passport for years and just never got around to it."
Fassbender has of course identified as Irish many times, played Irish characters in many films, and since his mother was born on the island of Ireland, he is by default entitled to Irish citizenship.
As he is a German citizen (as per his German passport), and entitled to Irish citizenship, wouldn't it make sense to change 'Nationality' to 'Citizenship' in his infobox, and list 'Ireland' and 'Germany'? And also perhaps to list him as a 'German-Irish actor' or 'German and Irish' actor? Athousandcuts2005 (talk) 20:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fassbender has said he is a German passport holder; not an Irish passport holder 

message: Hi, shall we omit Fassbender's nationality in the lead sentence and explain later? There's a recent conversation on this. Thedarkknightli (talk) 18:50, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not start a discussion about it, leaving things as they are? Avoids the back & forth, saves time. -The Gnome (talk) 15:23, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's add back the nationality as "German-Irish" since he has identified himself as Irish, considering he has played many Irish characters. GTAGamer245 (talk) 09:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi @GTAGamer245, I'm afraid your arguments aren't strong enough. I find hyphenated terms kinda ambiguous. Thedarkknightli (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hyphenated terms are fine. Rovingrobert (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality