Talk:Barnes Foundation

message: A note to the anon author of this edit: thank you for your contribution, but please rewrite your contribution to be in accord with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Otherwise, your change may be reverted, which would be a shame, because it's clear that you have valuable information that would be an asset not only to the development of this page, but also to Wikipedia as a whole. Take a look at Portal:Art -- we've got a lot of red links we'd love to turn blue... --Arcadian 22:59, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Today's edit

message: I removed some of the libelous entries and personal opinions about the "decrepit city of Philadelphia", etc. I also added some detail about the terms of the Will, and a few other things.
There is much more to the story, including its governance by Lincoln University, its difficult location in a residential neighborhood, Dr. Barnes' fights with the arts community in Philadelphia, the financially ruinous lawsuit brought by the Barnes' board president against Lower Merion Township, etc. But those details deserve to be presented in a neutral manner, not as an opinion piece more suited to a letter-to-the-editor.
Also, in answer to a comment, Lower Merion Township is the incorporated area in which the Barnes Foundation is located. Merion, Merion Station, etc. are unincorporated areas of Lower Merion Township.
Essentially the fight is over external governance of a private facility and the continued belief that wills are legitimate and private property is respected. I understand that those who love justice and those who love art are very passionate on the subject of the Barnes Foundation. That said, it is imperative to avoid zealous language in Wikipedia articles. Gingermint (talk) 04:38, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections made 

message: Thanks for your contributions and notes, 68.166.177.207. You seem incredibly knowledgable about this complex issue.  I completely agree with you that inappropriate statements were made in the article, though I agree with Arcadian, that there was certainly valuable information in there too.  
But...(sorry).
I'm worried you just biased things the other way.  I'm not sure why you took out some of the things you did.  There was nothing libellous about what was in there, as it was prefaced with statements like: "They...believe that...".  That can only be libellous if "they" do not in fact "believe" it, and since  we have a link (Site by former students...) showing us that they do...
Like it or not, the current controversy is an important part of the history of the Barnes Foundation.  It is interesting in and of itself, and it is worthy of being recorded.  A study of the matter could teach a thing or two to other institutions.  I think you may have taken out the (unproven and undocumented) views of one side, and emphasised the (unproven and undocumented) statements of the other.
For an example on the latter, you changed: "A 1999 forensic audit ... was announced as showing" to "A 1999 forensic audit ... showed".  Since it seems the audit was never released to the public (please correct me if I'm wrong), how do you know what it showed (unless you are on the Foundation's Board of Directors)? 
Personally, I've no opinion one way or the other on the controversy.  I just think we do a disservice to everyone, in the long run, if we paper over it.  Ergo, please consider this a respectful request to reconsider the new bias that you have introduced. 
(Addendum:  Definitely appreciate the technical corrections on my edits, btw!  I always miss stuff :).
--chaleur 22:43, 06 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on the corrections 

message: Betrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy  originated as a series of lectures at the Barnes Foundation in 1941 and 1942, as is mentioned in the article about the book. It would be nice to include that here, but it is probably inappropriate to single out these particular lectures. Can anyone supply a general account of the lecture program? David Watson 23:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lectures 

message: Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.) pledged on November 15 to introduce legislation that would prevent the Barnes Foundation from being relocated to Philadelphia from suburban Merion, Pa. The bill would penalize any charitable institution that solicits donations contrary to the original benefactor's wishes. His bill would impose a penalty equal to the value of any donation given to move the foundation. In a statement, the lawmaker said the move would destroy "Pennsylvania's reputation as a place where estate and property rights are vigorously defended."
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/15747397.htm
Robertwalton 19:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerlach opposition to move 

message: I separated the history section from the current events, allowing each to ahve some more room. I added a few details - and some interesting readings - about the Barnes Fondation. Surprised that no one has done this yet. Barnes, Dewey etc. could be developed from the rudiments that I put in.Brosi 16:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section

message: Shouldn't this article be titled just "Barnes Foundation"?  I know that the planned move to the city is controversial, but the official website says just "Barnes Foundation", as do the wikis in other languages. Also, "Barnes Foundation" redirects here, so there is no apparent need for disambiguation.--BillFlis 12:05, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, page should be moved.  Wikipedia is the only place I could find that the "Barnes Foundation" is refered to as the "Barnes Foundation of Philadelphia." Nor could I find any other Barnes Foundation that this should that wikipedia would want to differentiate.  By looking at the history, it looks like when the page was created, it was set up this way.   Mitico 14:34, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title?

message: The Youth Study Center has moved to West Philadelphia, their building has been demolished, and a bare site awaits the beginning of construction for the new museum, at 2001 Benjamin Franklin Parkway, just west of the Central Library. I believe all the legal obstacles have been overcome, but a few diehard Barnes students continue to argue against the move.  Of course, the Barnes Foundation Arboretum is going to stay in Lower Merion.  Someone should find references for the current situation, and update both this article and the Albert C. Barnes article. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:57, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Philadelphia 

message: The study is listed in the External Links, as the extensive discussion was not covered by cited sources.  Also, this is material supplied by an interest group rather than third-party.  The editors should seek more information from news accounts, rather than press releases by the Friends interest group. --Parkwells (talk) 15:28, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New Challenge: Friends study by Marcus

message: Account 64.80.199.162, registered to barnesfoundation.org, made several edits to the article today.  In my opinion Foundation editing should be limited to the talk page, per Wikipedia's conflict of interest rules.  --CliffC (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent COI edits by barnesfoundation.org 

message: The May 31, 2010, Weekly Standard magazine has published an article that should be read by everyone interested in the Barnes Foundation.  Entitled "No Museum Left Behind," it is written by Lance Esplund, who often contributes art essays to the Wall Street Journal.68.226.16.229 (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Must-Read 

message: "Students and staff at the Youth Study Center have been temporarily relocated to East Falls, Philadelphia. A new facility in West Philadelphia is to be completed in 2013. The Youth Study Center building was demolished to allow site work to begin for new construction." Uh, so what is this place? It wasn't mentioned anywhere else in the article. Gingermint (talk) 04:30, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  So what is the Youth Study Center? 

message: Updated to show construction has been completed and new facility opened. Content from reviews (generally positive) to be added. Parkwells (talk) 19:30, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated to represent current events

message: So what becomes of the original building?  Will it be sold?  Does it have great architectural merit?  Was the original facility a large part of the experience of viewing the collection?  Does the foundation have enough funding to rotate pieces of the collection through the original building?   Marc S., Dania fl 206.192.35.125 (talk) 13:50, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Original facility in Lower Merion

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message: * I've been meaning to put some comments on this talk page for a while now regarding Albert Barnes-related sources.  I want to encourage people to be extra cautious in their reading of sources about Albert C. Barnes for a number of reasons.  
 
:1. Barnes was definitely a colorful person (to say the least) who aroused strong opinions in others.  His own statements as well as those of others should be examined very carefully. It is tempting to repeat apocryphal stories about him without checking for careful sourcing: even recent books and articles should be read with some caution for this reason.  Some of the newer research (see point 2) overturns some of the older stories about him.
:2. Much of the writing about Barnes and the Barnes Foundation predates the organization of the Barnes Foundation Archives and Library, which have been rightfully described as "long-neglected".
: Major efforts to organize the archives' materials and make them more accessible began around 2007. (See ) They moved from Merion to the Parkway in Philadelphia in 2017. (See  
: As a result of the archives work, recent researchers have potentially had access to a wider range of resources than were previously available. My personal opinion is that in many cases newer publications tend to be more carefully sourced and less biased, even though a number of these newer sources are catalogues published by the Barnes Foundation. Generally speaking I think that all sources that discuss Albert C. Barnes should be very read carefully with an eye to bias (or which there is lots).  Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:57, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns about sources  

message: I notice that there are several citations that do not use citation templates. These have an appearance inconsistent with most of the other citations. As per WP:CITEVAR, I will convert these to citation templates. Peaceray (talk) 05:16, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The minority of citations that do not use citation templates