Talk:E=MC² (Mariah Carey album)

message: According with "Media Traffic" (United World Chart) the album has sold 1,9 milion copies worldwide in 2008.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.66.24 (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  E=mc2 Sales Worldwide 

message: Oh you foolish Mariah fans. The title isn't even official yet and you already screwed up the Wikipedia article by calling it "That Chick" indefinitely. "That Chick" is really just a working project title sort of like "Blue Harvest" or "Paradox".
Titles of articles can be changed quite easily, as has just been demonstrated.  Phoenix1304 (talk) 12:21, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "That Chick?"

message: According to this page the release date is set for some time in February of 2008; however, several Billboard articles are stating a springtime release, most recently referenced in an article concerning Janet Jackson's forthcoming album.  Perhaps, the release date should be changed here as well.--71.192.212.187 (talk) 04:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release Date

message: We still dont now whether I feel It will be in the album You should put it on the possible tracks part.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.179.168 (talk) 11:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I Feel It

message: Just removed this section from the article:
===Nelly and Janet Jackson===
The linked MTV News article does not mention for which album this proposed collaboration would be recorded (it says Dupri is working on albums by Nelly, Carey and Jackson), and seems to imply that it would appear on Nelly's. Extraordinary Machine 16:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nelly removed 

message: The linked MTV News article does not mention for which album this proposed collaboration would be recorded (it says Dupri is working on albums by Nelly, Carey and Jackson), and seems to imply that it would appear on Nelly's. Extraordinary Machine 16:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nelly and [[Janet Jackson]]

message: IT'S NOT CALLED SWEET SOUL ODYSSEY!  —Preceding unsigned 
the title hasnt even been released good one though........
comment added by 81.145.240.71 (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: Somebody return the actually with the information please.  Charmed36 01:03, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I know that they said that the song's called Heat, but for wikipedia a fansite like Mariah Journal isn't a reliable site.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Reidlos (talk • contribs) 00:57, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mariah Journal

message: This page should be deleted until there is adequate information on the album. I will be recomending it for being deleted until there is further information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.222.72 (talk) 13:43, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Enough Information

message: Please read WP:V, WP:NOR and WP:RS before adding any more song titles that you read about on unofficial fansites/blogs/message boards. As per WP:DEADLINE, there is no need to scoop anyone with 'facts' of questionable accuracy. We need to wait until the tracklisting or song titles have been officially announced by Carey or her people or have been referenced in a reliable, third-party source. It may very well be the case that the song titles are correct - but inclusion in WP requires concrete proof. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 11:55, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumoured songs 

message: Has it been confirmed that the tile is That Chick? If so then the re-direction of Sweet Soul Odyssey needs to be moved.86.152.250.173 (talk) 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I've also deleted three variations on "Illusions: The Butterfly Within" that redirected here. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 14:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album title

message: i think the song is "for real, for real", not only "for real". all the reviews said that  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.108.97.59 (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: For Real, For Real

message: Is that really Mariah on the album cover?  She still looks like Ru Paul on that cover.  Are you guys sure that it's gonna be the final cover?  :-(  24.225.92.93 (talk) 02:17, 22 January 2008
Mariah Does Not look like ru paul u fool.........
::I believe the unidentified person above who claims that Mariah looks like Rupaul is refering to the cover of Rupaul's Supermodel (You Better Work).  Though I digress.  Rupaul may look like Mariah in her No. 1s and Emincipation of Mimi album covers, but Mariah's definitely hotter! Diphosphate8 (talk) 03:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is that really Mariah on the album cover? 

message: Those 2 songs have been previously reported,so they will most likely be on the album and they should stay on this article....billboard only put the 10 songs that were played at the janet/mariah party....so,that doesnt mean that only the songs that billboard put are the only ones to be on the album......so please keep them for now.....
and its also mentioned on mariah daily.com,which is a reliable source,and they dont write anything thats untrue.
:Fansites are not generally considered to be reliable sources for Wikipedia articles - see Wikipedia:SELFPUB#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29. WP:V also states that "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". It may be the case that mariahdaily.com is correct - but we need to wait for an *official* announcement or a write-up in a reliable publication. It's often the case that tracks are recorded (and leaked) that never actually see the light of day on the final album. There is no harm in omitting questionable information until its status is clarified. Writing WP articles is not a race. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So says someone on a fan forum who read it on a fansite. That's not good enough, I'm afraid. Wikipedia reports solid, verified, verifiable *facts* - not internet rumours masquerading as facts. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 14:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: No. Everything written in WP has to be verifiable, as I have now explained several times. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source". There is *never* any justification for adding lists of 'unconfirmed tracks' or 'stuff I read on some guy's forum' to WP album articles. WP is not, nor has it ever been a breaking news service. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 15:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  For real,For real & Heat 

message: there is absolutely no way that mariah carey would ever make an album titled "that chick"!! i mean her previous albums were titled "the emancupation of mimi", "butterfly", "Rainbow", "music box", "daydream", "emotions" and stuff... i dont think that we should believe that the album will be called that chick... BE SERIOUS!!! (I hope that it spawns 2-3 #1s so that she could tie The Beatles (thay have 20 #1s and she currently has 17 #1s) will it be as succesful as the "emancipation of mimi?" i hope that it will go 8-10xPlatinum....  —Preceding 
--Mysterious Spy (talk) 19:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the big deal if she produces 3 more number one singles?  I mean even if she ties the Beatles for the "singles only chart record,"  Mariah will never be in the same ballpark as the Beatles, Elvis, Madonna, and Michael Jackson.  Though I hate to admit it, she may have 17 #1s now IN AMERICA, but that's it!  She has never sold as many albums and singles as the 4 aforementioned artists, both in the U.S. and worldwide.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 17:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah 17 No. 1 singles ONLY IN THE U.S. but up to now, Mariah has never made herself an icon despite being in the business for 18 years already.  I wouldn't be surprised to know and see in 10 years that Beyonce would achieve an "icon" status way ahead of Mariah.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.92.93 (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  is the title definite? 

message: Anyone who thinks there should be a page created for touch my body,please say it here.....i think there should,there have been several sources,which are reliable..janet song Rock With U doesnt have any reliable sources and is not confirmed as a single,and is kept,and not bieng deleted....i dont get why touch my body is bieng deleted...all access confirms it and several radio stations and l.a reid said he asked the staff which song they want,and touch my body was the final choice...and also fmqb.com confirms its going to be released to radio airplay on feb 11.......i dont understand why its being deleted when its confirmed by many sources its the first single......why should rock with u stay,and both songs are in the same situation...if one stays the other should...and vice versa............  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brexx (talk • contribs) 08:14, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touch My Body 

message: whats with that title written on the page???........is that the new title??.......has it been confirmed??......isnt "that Chick" the official title??
and if it is the official title,whats does the "E" stand for.....
::E=MC² was announced today. "That Chick" was obviously fake or has been changed. Should be moved to E=MC² (Mariah Carey album) Save-Me-Oprah(talk) 16:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's annouced on Mariah's officail website. See  BratBoyz (talk) 16:39, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The stated origin of the title is incorrect. In an interview given to Oceanstyle magazine , Mariah is quoted as saying: "This album, it's so much about fun and freedom and just the continuation of me feeling emancipated. It's sort of like emancipation equals Mariah Carey times two.". I would argue for this being included in the article on the grounds that this quote contains a mathematical faux pas which led to many news stories around the end of 2008 based around the fact that Mariah was cited by the UK campaigning group Sense About Science as a celebrity who made a scientific gaffe in 2008. See  Robma (talk) 13:12, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  E=MC² 

message: When speaking about the single being released, the article contains the line:
"Touch My Body" will officially go for adds on February 19th
I must admit that I don't know what going for adds means so I worry that there may be other readers scratching their heads over that line as well. Can someone explain on the talk page what that phrase means or maybe reword the particular sentence in the article so it's clearer for those of us who are not as hip with the music industry jargon as the editor who contributed that sentence.
Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 16:57, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it means it is released to radio stations, being added to their playlists. Save-Me-Oprah(talk) 17:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going for adds? 

message: Redirect this page to "E=MC²". E=MC² was free, so put all the information about the album there.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.224.48.29 (talk) 21:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect This Page 

message: I removed her name b/c it contradicts what Mariah's official press release says for who wrote and produced "Touch My Body".
I did read the article on which her name was mentioned and it was written as if Mariah doesn't write her own material (except for the alleged Mariah quote). That takes away credibility.
Also, reviewers have not mentioned her, but they mentioned everyone else. And again, Mariah's official press release contradicts Cri$tyle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.200.240 (talk) 22:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cri$tyle 

message: Lovin' you long time  and loving you too long are the same song...isn't it obvious.....its still not confirmed which one is the official title of the song...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brexx (talk • contribs) 16:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Like,Helooooooo 

message: Stop removing the producer and writer list. It is accurate, so what is the point. What needs to be removed are all the outdated facts from 6 months ago.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeVante' (talk • contribs) 18:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop removing the producer and writer list 

message: Here is a great site page for finding chart positions in europe. Its blank at the minute but when the album starts selling it quichly fills up. Check it every few days as it continually updates itself. Realist2 (talk) 18:19, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  chart positions in europe 

message: Who keeps putting that the current version of "touch my body" is a radio edit..is there any proof for that claim......for the time bieng i put a citation needed template until a reference is provieded to support the claim....if there is no reference in the coming days...the [radio edit] thats written will be removed......cause the song's lengh is 3:28,and it is the full album version of the song theres no longer album version...nobody mentioned anything about a radio edit.......Mimibianca (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think whoever is saying it's a radio edit is probably right. If you listen to the end of the song, you get the feeling that there is more to it and when she performed it live there was more substance.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 18:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

text: ...It is the radio edit and i have evidence: 3:27 [radio edit] http://www.mariahdaily.com/news.shtml#newsitemEkpVEVpuFueNWEYuWp  Make Sure you look at the pictures of the CD single...um...whistle register notes!!! More!!! I like your name...Mimi vs. Bianca...lol---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 03:19, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Touch my body"  versions 

message: Who keeps removing bryan michael cox from the producer section of the song "For the record"....the source given is reliable...the radio that previewed the album clearly states that B.cox is the producer of the track...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.53 (talk) 21:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case that an editor should discuss everything before removing it, as you suggest, I will also politely ask you to discuss everything before you add it into the article. Surely, you can agree that it wouldn't be fair that you can insert something if you feel that it does belong in the article without discussing it but somone else can't remove it without discussion if they feel that the same piece of information does not belong there. SWik78 (talk) 16:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources!!!!!!!!! Reidlos (talk) 12:30, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: PLEASE DONT REMOVE

message: Is that the official album cover..i like it....but still,please put a reliable source.....form where did u get it from....cause if its not official then it should be removed......J.looo (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current album cover 

message: As of yet, there seem to be no verifiable sources confirming a second single so please don't keep adding Migrate as a confirmed release just because she performed it on SNL. According to this interview, she expressly denies the song will be released as a single. Either way, until there is a reliable source verifying the release, please do not reinsert it. It's pure speculation at this point.
Thanks. SWik78 (talk) 15:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mariah stated in an interview on Ryan Seacrest's Radio show, in a conversation with Perez Hilton, that 'Migrate will not be the second single. She also stated that she is not dumb (for no apparent reason...probably because she is known for her vocal range being shown most in her ballads and because she was first known of as a 'ballad qeen' in the beginning of her career)  and her second single will be a ballad. She then went on to say that she isn't even considering releasing 'Migrate' as a single.---¤÷(`[¤*M*¤]´)÷¤- 17:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second single 

message: It should be mentioned in the intro that its a play on the famous formula by einstein. Realist2 (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  E=MC²  

message: JD is not featured on "Last Kiss"
http://mariahcarey.com/news/news.php?uid=2118
Her site does not have him listed  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeVante' (talk • contribs) 21:07, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jermaine Dupri is not featured on Last Kiss 

message: Please stop inserting rumours about a new single until it's confirmed by a reliable source which, by the way, MariahDaily.com isn't.
Thank you! SWik78 (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Listing Bye Bye as the next single because it's the only song that fits that description qualifies as WP:OR and MariahDaily.com, no matter what they say is certain or uncertain, fails WP:RS. SWik78 (talk) 13:12, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: we need written, official confirmation.  Say, if her official website announces it, or if Billboard mentions it, or something.  At this point, her saying it isn't enough (although it IS something) to justify a page on Wikipedia.  SKS2K6 (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

text: There are no reliable sources for Bye Bye and no sources whatsoever for Migrate. This article is being treated as fan forum by many anonymous IP editors by posting these unconfirmed announcements. Wikipedia's purpose is not to be the primary source for announcements of when a song is being released or when the video is being shot or who Mariah Carey is dating. This is an encyclopedia and encyclopedias do not spread rumours or speculate. Please see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bye Bye (Mariah Carey Song) and also WP:RS to see what constitutes a reliable source. SWik78 (talk) 12:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And also, the thing is that even when an artist (or band) says that a certain song is going to be a single, it may change down the road.  With Emancipation, Mariah herself said that "Say Somethin'" would be the lead single from the album.  However, it became its fifth.  People change their minds and plans frequently, so until it's in writing somewhere, it should be considered unconfirmed.  Please see Wikipedia's policy on "crystal balling" for more information.  SKS2K6 (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumours about a new single...again 

message: On many radio interviews, Mariah stated that she wrote OOC with Da Brat. She also said that she wrote Side Effects with Cri$tyle.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DeVante' (talk • contribs) 23:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cri$tyle and Da Brat 

message: im not sure if the earliest release date of the album is April 11...cause i think the russian release date of the album is April 8, 2008......according to this site:
now,here's whats confusing...there's 2 dates on the site above:April 8 and April 11
i dont know which one is the correct one.......can someone explain.......i dont know maybe someone who speaks russian,can explain and tell us which one is the correct one.....
and if the correct one is April 8,then it should be put as the start date of release instead of April 11....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.227.72 (talk) 21:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The North American release date was April 15.  However, if you go to the release date section, you'll see that Russia got it first on April 8.  That's why it's the "start" date, and we show all of the release date in a separate section.  Hope that helps.  SKS (talk) 17:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of release 

message: I think we should delete the Promotion part.Reidlos (talk) 23:31, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: PROMOTION

message: This song samples Michael Jackson's "Off the Wall".  PhoenixPrince (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'm going to add it as soon as possible.Reidlos (talk) 09:47, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm That Chick 

message: This album especially, has alot of big things happening promo wise and they should be mentioned  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.199.200.240 (talk) 04:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the promotion section deleted? 

message: Dont you guys/gals think its time to get a sales chart together soon, some big figures are gonna start adding up. Realist2 ('Come Speak To Me') 05:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: How come nobody knows the writer(s) and the producer for the song "4real4real"........can someone find out that info and put it....213.42.23.71 (talk) 17:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Come 

message: The link you provided for the Ireland release date isn't very reliable as HMV is a UK shop. It is more likely to have been released on April 11, as that was a Friday, the day music records are usually released in the country.
666ph666 (talk) 19:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland release date 

message: From Wikipedia:ALBUMS
Track listing
A track listing should generally be formatted as a numbered list.
"Complete song title" (John Doe, Brian Smith) – 4:23 
First verse: Name of rapper 
Second verse: Name of rapper 
Samples: Name of sample source (preferably including artist, song, and album) 
"Complete song title" (Doe, Kelly Kalamazoo) – 3:24 
"Complete song title" (Doe, Kalamazoo, Smith, David Whitman) – 2:34 
Track names should be in quotes in the track listing and in the rest of the article. A track that is a medley of multiple songs should be inside one set of quotes, like this: "Song 1/Song 2". Untitled tracks should be listed as Untitled (without quotes). If a track has an article of its own, the track name should link to that article.
Note the standard method of attributing songwriters—write (and link) the full name the first time it appears, and then just give the last name (unless the first initial is necessary to disambiguate it, as in the Gallagher brothers of Oasis). If all songs were written by the same person or team, this can be stated at the top as "All songs were written by Gordon Gano." If several songs were written by the same person or team, this can be stated as "All songs were written by Gordon Gano, except where noted."
Track lengths should be included for each track. Use a spaced en dash (–) rather than a hyphen (-) as a dividing horizontal punctuation mark before the track length. (Note that they may both look the same in the edit box.) You can insert it from the special character list below the edit box (see Help:Special characters) or copy and paste it from here. You can also add it by writing – HTML entity to the edit box (like this "–") but this makes the code less readable. If you think that this is too difficult, you can still use a hyphen, and hope that someone is going to change it into a dash. This holds true both in "Track listing" and "Personnel" sections. See also Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Dashes.
Particularly for hip hop albums, it is helpful to list which members of a group (or guests) rap on which verses as well as mentioning sampling sources. This can be done in a nested list, as in the example above. Using a table is recommended in more complicated situations (see Before These Crowded Streets for example). If a table is used, it should be formatted using class="wikitable", using column headings "#", "Title" and "Length" for the track number, the track title and the track length, respectively.
The track listing should be under a primary heading named "Track listing". If there are significantly different track listings for different editions, these can be listed under sub-headings. If the album was released primarily on CD and spans multiple discs, these should be listed separately under sub-headings named "Disc one", "Disc two" and so on. Albums originally released primarily on vinyl or cassette should similarly list the tracks of each side separately under sub-headings named "Side one" and "Side two".
At no point in the above are producers notable as track by track information. Reqluce (talk) 14:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track listing format 

message: Can anybody explain to me why the promotion of this album is relevant. It's nothing outstanding. In my opinion there is no need for it and don't tell we should include it because people want it there. Reidlos (talk) 10:36, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's like reading a list or information on a fan site. The sentences are weak and why is it important that she has performed on Oprah, American Idol etc. It's not like she's the first person promoting her singles/album on these kind of shows. Reidlos (talk) 13:52, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I tried my best to fix it.  To be honest, I don't think it deserves more than a few sentences at best.  But it seems as though a couple of editors really want this information in here.... SKS2K6 (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we have to keep it, when the persons who want it in the article don't even argue? Reidlos (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is because the "editor" who wrote it in the first place has now been permanently blocked from Wiki for being a sock puppet of a banned user. Just as well, his/her edits were painfully childish and quite frankly s.h.i.t. Reqluce (talk) 00:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion section

message: Mariah isn't the first singer to be honored with "their colors" lighting up the Empire State Building. I don't know if he's first, but Frank Sinatra definitely came before Mariah.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.135.58.53 (talk) 20:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Empire State Building

message: "Overall, E=MC2 has failed to have the commercial impact expected of it. Though it debuted at number one on the Billboard 200 with sales of 463,000 it fell short of other blockbuster albums."
POV, seeing as how the cd has been out for 3 months and has more then a million copies, and is one of only four albums released this year to sell more then a million copies. PhoenixPrince (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 06:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial Performance 

message: I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE MUSIC INDUSTRY HAS A PROBLEM GIVING CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE
I WAS ARGUING SOMEBODY DOWN ABOUT "CRISTYLE" AND THE FACT THAT NOBODY EVER MENTIONS HER NAME 
AS IT RELATES TO E=MC2, I PERSONALLY THOUGHT SHE WAS LYING ABOUT BEING APART OF THE ALBUM
TIL I READ THE CREDITS, AND NOT ONLY IS SHE APART OF THE ALBUM...SHES A MAJOR PART APPARENTYL!!!
SHE CO-WROTE THE FOLLOWING (WITH MARIAH)
#1 SMASH SINGLE "TOUCH MY BODY" (wich she didnt recieve credit for)
LOVIN YOU LONG TIME
SIDE EFFECTS
CRUISE CONTROL
HEAT
NOW YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE ONLY PERSON TO HAVE 5 SONGS ON THE ALBUM (THREE OF THEM ARE SINGLES) WOULD BE MENTIONED ONCE IN A WHILE
SHE DID MORE SONGS THAN JD, JOHNTA,THE DREAM, AND BRYAN MICHEAL COX!!!
IM ONLY ANNOIED WITH THIS BECAUSE I FEEL STUPID FOR ACTUALLY BELIEVING WHAT THE INDUSTRY WANTED ME TO BELIEVE
NOW I KNOW....IN THE FUTURE , DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!!!!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.112.211 (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CRISTYLE'S INK 

message: I donated some money to a charity at A&W recently, and they gave me a card with a code to download that song from fromhungertohope dot-com(so I thought it was the next single, but it wasn't..).
Anyway, should this promotion be mentioned in the article, or is it just too trivial?  Thanks.  --ChrisRJ (talk) 03:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Love Story" Promotion 

message: Page sysop protected due to edit warring. Tan  |  39 22:59, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protected

message: *People need to stop adding unsourced information.
*Peak positions of the album on international charts is trivia and shouldn't be included.
Reidlos (talk) 17:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the second point: the album's position on international charts wouldn't be trivial if said chart was for a major market (Japan, UK, Australia).  (Also, Canada's gold status is clearly sourced.  There's no need to remove it from the page.)  SKS2K6 (talk) 21:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd understand adding the international chart if it was impossible/hard  for international artist to enter the main chart. Reidlos (talk) 12:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, so you mean other countries' "foreign music" charts.  Sorry.  It seemed as though you were saying US-only charts were acceptable. SKS2K6 (talk) 16:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerns

message: *I removed unsourced info, statements with unreliable/insufficient sources or put a "" behind the sentence.
*I merged the "End of Year chart" section into the "Sales and impact" section, because we don't need more tables.
*I put the awards into the Critical reception section, cause it's part of the critical response.
If anyone thinks that the changes don't follow the WikiRules then I'm eager to hear about it, otherwise please do not revert it like some users keep doing! Reidlos (talk) 20:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (This may have to be taken to arbitration, simply because of the fact that the editors who add extra material to the page don't exactly respond to talk pages or messages.)  I agree with these changes, and removing any charts that are somewhat trivial/minor.  For example, countries' "international albums" charts. SKS2K6 (talk) 05:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the current version to the version with the edits stated above. I forgot to include an edit summary, so I thought I would write it here. Reidlos (talk) 22:31, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerns Part 2

message: *The next time you delete information from the page E=MC² (Mariah Carey album), will both be reported. Your attitudes are questionable and I'm sick of vandalism. LauraAndrade88 (talk) 23:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So there have been continued edits and reverts, without any sort of response from those who continue to do so.  Please discuss any and all issues with the Wikipedia page on this talk page.  Otherwise, editors will assume that what was discussed earlier is consensus (which, if you look at the edit history, isn't the case). SKS2K6 (talk) 04:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for finally stating your opinion, but please also state why you think international charts and "end of year" charts are necessary.  Also, please note that deleting information that goes against someone else's opinion isn't necessary vandalism, but merely a difference in thought.  There are at least a few others who do not feel the same way you do, so please do not automatically consider it vandalism.  SKS2K6 (talk) 04:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How would people feel about going to the next step in dispute resolution? Namely, informal or formal mediation? This only works if all parties on both "sides" agree to the outcome? It would be much more productive than the current edit war. If not, suggest something! (EhJJ)TALK 01:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  Discussing on the talk page hasn't amounted to much.... SKS2K6 (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you guys think this approach could actually help out of this dead end, I'm on it. Reidlos (talk) 04:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Warning to Reidlos and SKS2K6

message: I do not understand why are you assuming that we are "threatening" and are acting in bad faith.  You can feel free to report us, but I don't see what that would do because this is clearly is a disputed matter.  Yes, Reidlos had a 24-hour ban because he violated the 3-revert rule, and he has since learned from that.  Although I have reverted many times in the past, I have not, as you imply, "vandalized" the page.  Today, I have merely reverted once, and as far as I know, am not in violation of anything.
As you can see from the above notices, there is cleary a disagreement over what should, and should not, be included on this page.  There are editors who feel that adding in tons of chart positions, including international-only album positions, violates WP:TRIVIA and WP:CHARTS.  Also, adding in unsourced, or questionably sourced, material is clearly in violation of Wikipedia's policy on verifiability.  So, if you feel that we are wrong, that is absolutely fine, but do not merely revert all the changes just because you want to.  Please do not feel that we are trying to own the article.  We are asking that we have a nice, pleasant discussion over what belongs, or doesn't belong, on this page, and therefore develop a consensus.
User:Reidlos has clearly attempted to do so, and I applaud him for trying to do this the right way.  User:JuStar and User:LauraAndrade88, you have not joined in this conversation.  Rather, you are just throwing in all the information that you feel is necessary on this page, and reverting and threatening others who go against you.
I will speak only for myself, but I am not randomly deleting large amounts of sourced information.  By bringing this discussion here, I personally am trying to avoid an edit war.  But there is absolutely nothing I can do if you refuse to join in the conversation.
I apologize if you feel that we are editing disruptively, but I assure you that I'm not merely removing material simply for the sake of doing so.  I want to make this the best page possible, and I feel that this is only possible if we edit out some of the material that's on here.  Like I said before, if you disagree, that's totally fine, but I request that we talk this out so that everyone can be happy.
Thanks in advance.  SKS2K6 (talk) 02:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So there have been continued edits and reverts, without any sort of response from those who continue to do so.  Please discuss any and all issues with the Wikipedia page on this talk page.  Otherwise, editors will assume that what was discussed earlier is consensus (which, if you look at the edit history, isn't the case). SKS2K6 (talk) 04:54, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Thank you for finally stating your opinion, but please also state why you think international charts and "end of year" charts are necessary.  Also, please note that deleting information that goes against someone else's opinion isn't necessary vandalism, but merely a difference in thought.  There are at least a few others who do not feel the same way you do, so please do not automatically consider it vandalism.  SKS2K6 (talk) 04:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How would people feel about going to the next step in dispute resolution? Namely, informal or formal mediation? This only works if all parties on both "sides" agree to the outcome? It would be much more productive than the current edit war. If not, suggest something! (EhJJ)TALK 01:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  Discussing on the talk page hasn't amounted to much.... SKS2K6 (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you guys think this approach could actually help out of this dead end, I'm on it. Reidlos (talk) 04:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Response

message: This edit warring has to stop!  has made several edits and explained them in the summary plus explained them on this talk page. Unless a there is discussion here to the contrary, his edits are in line with consensus. Please discuss your view here!! Further edit warring will be reported. (EhJJ)TALK 04:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which rule is Reidlos breaking? Certainly not Wikipedia:Consensus! Explain why this material should be kept and ask Reidlos to explain why it should be deleted. Get a discussion going so this can be resolved. Reverting without discussing can get you blocked! (EhJJ)TALK 04:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Which rule is Reidlos breaking? Three-revert rule, for example. Deleting information is not correct because he wants to or because he thinks the material is not important. Not up to him decide that. His conduct is questionable. This material is real and true. LauraAndrade88 (talk) 04:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Reidlos you're totally wrong. So basically what you are saying is: delete information, again. As always. I do not agree, obviously. Such information is part of the album and it is necessary. It is interesting, because I only see you deleting this article and disagree with everything and everyone. I hope that your contributions begin to be more productive. LauraAndrade88 (talk) 03:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying that unsourced, incorrect information is important to the article?  Please explain why, when it clearly violates Wikipedia's rules on verifiability and the need for reliable sources.  All User:Reidlos is saying is, if you want this information to stay, demonstrate why.  His points contain valid arguments against inclusion. SKS2K6 (talk) 06:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reverts 

message: I should explain myself: I'm definitively not trying to own this article, neither am I trying to exclude other users from editing, but we need people to discuss and find a way to agree together. So I will try to explain my suggestion and I really hope that some people here will respond.
*The album remains in the U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart for 44 consecutive weeks.</br>Is this really necessary. IMO this is trivial information that shouldn't be on this article.
*In European Albums Chart, E=MC² debuted and peaked at number three recording the highest debut of the week. That's one place higher than the start made by The Emancipation Of Mimi in April 2005. It remained for 7 weeks on the chart.</br>Trivial information again!
*The album peaked at number six in France and sold more than 40,000 units.</br>There is no (working) source for this statement!
*In Japan, the album peaked at #7 on the Oricon Overall Chart, with 36,631 copies sold in the opening week. In its second week the album sold 21,295 units and in its third week sold 17,755 copies. The album has sold 150,000 units to date.</br>It doesn't really matter how much she sold in her 2nd/3rd sales week in Japan. This is trivial information again. It would be nice to have total sales for Japan, but as long as it does not have a reliable source, it shouldn't be included too.
*E=MC² stayed at #1 on the Taiwan International Albums Chart for two consecutive weeks.</br>Taiwan is a small market for music and should maybe be mentioned in a sentence with Japan to show the general commercial reception in Asia (even if Carey is one of the best-selling international artists in Taiwan), but as long as there is no actual source (in English/translated) for  this "assumption", we should remove it.
*The song topped the Canadian Singles Chart and the Billboard Hot Dance Club Play.</br>The Billboard Canadian Hot 100 is the offical chart for Canada and not the Canadian Singles Chart. This chart states the biggest selling PHYSICAL singles in that week and because the PHYSICAL single is almost dead everywhere, it doesn't really measure popularity of songs in Canada.
*This charts shouldn't be included: Australian Urban Albums Chart, Japanese Oricon International Albums Chart, UK R&B Albums Chart and U.S. Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums. What do we need them for when we already have the positions on the main chart. Just to have higher peak positions?
*The "End of Year Charts" section should be merged with the "Sales" section.
*The Chart procession and succession box should moved to the end of the article e.g. after References.
That's it. Feel free to discuss! Regards, Reidlos (talk) 20:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reidlos you're totally wrong. So basically what you are saying is: delete information, again. As always. I do not agree, obviously. Such information is part of the album and it is necessary. It is interesting, because I only see you deleting this article and disagree with everything and everyone. I hope that your contributions begin to be more productive. LauraAndrade88 (talk) 03:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying that unsourced, incorrect information is important to the article?  Please explain why, when it clearly violates Wikipedia's rules on verifiability and the need for reliable sources.  All User:Reidlos is saying is, if you want this information to stay, demonstrate why.  His points contain valid arguments against inclusion. SKS2K6 (talk) 06:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: My edits

message: I have a source from billboard about the united states sales,so i would like it to be updated, the source is [] and it says 1,300,000 sold in us and the current article says 1,255,000 so if someone could plz change it...thanks!--Maester Seymour (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: Not that I need to or anything, but I second this, considering that 1.255m number isn't even right in the first place, and seems to have come from nowhere (the source is RIAA's gold/platinum listing, indicating only 1 million sold). SKS (talk) 19:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. It is worth noting for when this article is unprotected that the sortability does not function properly due to "rowspan=" markup. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:33, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment: Thanks to both of you guys!i appreciate the SKS2K6 for your support and Rambo's Revenge for your time and help..:)--Maester Seymour (talk) 22:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Im Requesting a Change 

message: I would like to change a few parts of this article. I already suggested some edits a few months ago. If you disagree please let me know! Reidlos (talk) 09:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change 

message: IP's keep removing "Hip Hop." This album has Hip-Hip. Should it stay? Jayy008 (talk) 14:23, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox music styles 

message: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/mariah-carey-bland-ambition-patently-obvious-article-1.280941  — Calvin999  10:51, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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