Talk:Georgios Grivas

message: I removed an external link because it was broken. I also removed statements like "X was definetely a terrorist organisation" and "the coop(=coup?) lead to the turkish invasion", not because I disagree with them politically but because I think they don't really fit in a Wikipedia article. Instead I ve tried to include all points of view on X and since Grivas was dead when the coup happened there is no point in arguing whether the coup caused the invasion in this article. Mavros 12:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning 

message: Category:Fascists??? Kentucky Colonels??? "X" = German collaborators??? This article is a disgrace on wikipedia. NPOV has totally gone out the window and so has reality! Btw, the December events started when the EAM attacked X members, British troops and anyone else they could get a hold of.
My father served in the Cypriot National Guard 1n 1963-64. As soon as he entered the gate when reporting in for the first time, an officer checked his name and place of birth (village) and automatically placed a red star (communist) on his military papers. I remember my father saying to me that he was not the only one. All of the people with left ideologies were marked by officers for special treatment. My father had a brief meeting with Grivas. Him and three other left ideologists all friends were brought in front of  Grivas because they belonged to AKEL and shared similar left-democratic ideologies. Grivas then, used a bayonet to produce a small scar on each side of the soldiers. My father has that scar, and it is at least 4-6 cm long. 
What a complete and utter lie! You are really sick, aren't you!
::::Definitely not a lie misguided one.
Grivas was a monster. A number of books written by numerous authors all in Greek will provide evidence about his organisation X. During the resistance in Greece, his organization was collaborating with the Nazis against the resistance in which at the time was mainly ELAS. A sworn anti-communist, Grivas turn to the British for help to wipe out all the Greek communists of ELAS after the end of the WWII.
I am tired to hear right-wing nationalists who brought nothing bad destruction to Cyprus trying to turn things around and portray Grivas as a hero. Everybody knows in Cyprus that left-wing Cypriots were not allowed to join EOKA because of their political beliefs. Grivas died before the Turkish Invasion but he was the main man for EOKA B. He was the one who wanted president Makarios dead. All right-wings should not forget that both both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots voted 97% to unify with Greece. We also know how Great Britain used "Divide and Conquer" to rule Cyprus by forcing right-wing Turkish Cypriots to form TNT and fight the Greek Cypriots. We also know that nationalistic right wing Greek-Cypriots tried to kill as many Turkish Cypriots as possible. Both of my parents are refugees. They lost everything after the invasion. 
I personally use Wikipedia every day. I feel that Wikipedia has let me down. In the future I think it's prudent to report facts and not to manipulate people by trying to pass lies. And since this article is written in English and not in Greek, I think someone has to edit the whole article about Grivas.
::In my opinion Grivas is on the top of the list of the Greek heroes of the 20th century. He fought bravely against the British conquerors and no communist traitor can accuse him because he didn't let communists join EOKA. You are an idiot if you believe that the 97% which voted for union included turko-cypriots. The Tc simply didn't voted. So Grivas was helping the British, right? You are completely biased my friend. About WWII, X bought weapons from the Germans, yes. But it wasn't collaborating with them, it just had a silent truce. X's goal was to fight ELAS, who massacred right-wing civilians and wanted to establish a communist dictatorship in Greece. Grivas was a sworn anti-communist, yes. According to you, this is a heavy sin. But if he was a communist a wanted his country to be turned into a puppet of the Soviet Union, and have the fate of Hungary and Romania, he would be hero!!!!!! What you wrote is just a piece of communist propaganda. In Greece, this kind of propaanda is on the school books. But one day this will change... Mitsos 15:57, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "This is not about communism or imperialism my friend. Grivas was a sworn anti-communist monster who supported the NAZIS." No, he simply didn't fought the Nazis, he didn't supported them. "In my opinion, anyone who supported the AXIS during WWII should not be treated as a hero or have monuments build to honor them." Why do you think that? If you were a German wouldn't you support your fatherland??? Would you become a traitor??? Many soldiers of the Axis fought and died heroicaly. Why shouldn't they have monuments build to honor them? The British Bases in Cyprus are the result of Makarios policy, not Grivas. Grivas was right to oppose Makarios. "Grivas did cooperate with the British after the Germans left Greece." This is blatantly not true. I don't know why exactly the British left Cyprus, but I know that Grivas fought against them , heroicaly, in an inequal battle. Many members of EOKA, like Euagoras Pallikaridis, gave their lives for the independence of Cyprus. You say that the rebellion of EOKA wasn't succesfull because 300 Greeks died and only 120 British. Do you know that more than 200.000 Greeks and only 100.000 Turks died during the War of Independence?? So in your opinion, it was a failure!!!!! You are right, the traitorous "Greek" government in 1974 (Karamanli) did sold Cyprus. "I hope you read the conversation that Kissinger had with the British foreign minister at the time. They both knew about the invasion. Doesn't that say something to you." Of course I know that. I never claimed that's not true. Makarios, Karamanlis and the political establishment of Greece, were the ones who sold Cyprus in 1974. Mitsos 12:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mitsos read the Cyprus Conspiracy.  It is a book.   Also go to a library and start reading. Open up your right wing mind and get more to the center.  Right wingers both Greeks and Turks screwed Cyprus. (UNFanatic 16:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disgrace! 

message: Grivas was on the payroll of the CIA trained to get underprivileged Greek-Cypriot youths to fight in his EOKA-B group.  HE KILLED GREEK-CYPRIOTS that were for the government of Cyprus.  He supported the coup. What ever happened to the democratic process?  Telling me that is not a traitor is like telling me there was no Armenian or Pontian genocide.  Too bad he died right before the invasion. War criminal and traitor to the Republic of Cyprus.  He is no hero.(UNFanatic 19:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grivas is a disgrace for Cyprus. 

message: I am marking this article as being of disputed neutrality.  The latest editors UNFanatic  and Mitsos provide ample evidence of their own lack of neutrality, and of the nature and extent of their biases, on this talk page.  The editing history also evidences the editing war they engaged in. EleftherosKyprios 16:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality dispute 

message: Indeed.Well done. Eagle of Pontus (talk) 11:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article

message: Ok, so is it 1898 or 1897? AstarothCY (talk) 10:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 15:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008 

message: ... cast your eye over the claptrap written about the Organization of National Resistance of the Interior X (Chi). Apparently it was a resistance organisation!  Didn't even Woodhouse (who was somewhere to the right of Atilla the Hun) compare them to the Ku Klux Klan?  
It really is time Wikipedia acknowledged the controversial nature of Greek history 1941-49, not to mention the pusillanimity of the English language versions, and made a serious effort to monitor the relevant articles, as they do with the Palestine issue. Bougatsa42 (talk) 06:18, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well folks, if you think this is bad ... 

message: Dr.K. has reverted one of my edits, and reverted again. No explanation has been given.  My passage was referenced, the original was not.   S/he has also accused me via my talk page of waging an edit war. Bougatsa42 (talk) 02:38, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Clearly an attempt at an edit war

message: Try the Greek version. It has books from historians and not the lies from a member of X
Istoria1944 (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many books in the Greek version happened to be biased towards EAM/ELAS. If pro-X books are lies from members of Organisation X, then pro-EAM/ELAS books are lies from members of EAM/ELAS which permeate Hellenic academia.- Hu753 (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  X was nazi collaborators

message: Substituted at 16:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: "We have three enemies! The English, the Turks and the Communists. "The biggest headache is the ruffians, the Communists."
Γεώργιος Γρίβας-Διγενής
--2A02:587:801D:1C4C:E45F:5D5A:83B:AD6B (talk) 19:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: He said