Talk:Gustav Mahler/Archive 3

message: What about his early chamber music and his violin concerto ?
Has anybody ever listened to them?
And what about his piano quartet in A minor? Is it an incomplete work with only one movement? (Frigoris 03:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard any of those, and in my studies barely heard even any mention of them. I think that they're academic works from his student days, and so probably aren't worth discussing in an article of this length. Blintz 15:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read carefully: the review about the alleged Mahler violin concerto is dated April 1, 1999. I think that says enough. - The piano quartet movement is indeed an early work from Mahler's student days, dated 1876 and widely influenced by Brahms. --FordPrefect42 22:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Quartet movement is a beautiful piece of writing showing a great deal of promise.  It has achieved a great deal of popularity in this country.  JackofOz 12:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyond symphonies and Lieder? 

message: I think some of these sections are a little long. I began dividing some sections already. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 16:58, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dividing sections 

message: Is there a cornet in the seventh? There is no mention in the Orchestration section of that article. However, there was a cornet mentioned in this article in the ===Symphonies=== section. (under ==Music==). A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 22:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. A cornet appears on the instrumentation list in the front of the score (Dover's reprint of it, anyway), but in five minutes of flipping through the score itself I failed to find a single note actually assigned to the cornet. I won't swear there isn't one -- but if there is, its a small and obscure part. If I have a chance to listen to the whole thing with the score I'll check, but if I had to put money down today I'd guess it is a misprint in the instrumentation list. TaigaBridge 09:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure you're right.  I also have that Dover score, and I see it mentioned only on the "Instrumentation" page.  It's nowhere to be found in the score itself.  Especially in the fortissimo tutti passages it would make no sense to leave one brass player sitting there twiddling his thumbs; it must be a misprint.  Antandrus  (talk) 15:11, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Believe it or not I was actually able to find it. At rehearsal number 275 in the 5th movement, a passage in the 1st trumpet in F is given the instruction "auf einem kleinen Piston" (on a small cornet). So technically the 1st trumpet is intended to double on cornet for that short time. However I am unsure if this is actually done today. 24.91.251.238 04:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, right you are; and it goes on for seventeen bars, past rehearsal 276.  I completely missed it.  Last time I played this piece I don't remember if the trumpet player switched or not (I rather doubt it).  Good catch! Antandrus  (talk) 04:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow indeed!  Good catch on the details.  For what it's worth, as a graduating master's student in trumpet from a leading conservatory (NEC), I don't think trumpet players will typically honor this marking.  The markings indicate using a "small (cornet a) piston in F", but we just don't have cornets in that key... so we'd use a B-flat cornet if anything.  But by that point we're already using modern C trumpets to play the old long romantic F trumpets and the difference in tone is at least as much as the trumpet/cornet differenc.  Unless the music director makes a fuss about it.  Also as I'm looking around for info on the romantic f trumpet, I found this post by Manny Laureano, principal trumpet of the Minnesota Orchestra who interprets the "kleine piston" marking to mean smaller trumpet, rather than small cornet.    Also, Here's some good pictures of the romantic F trumpet I was talking about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fred sienkiewicz (talk • contribs) 02:36, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornet in Symphony No. 7 

message: I think we should discuss whether the etymology of the name Mahler should be discussed in the article. My opinion is that it's interesting information, but it is a burden on the article. Perhaps we could find another way of including it?-Atavi 08:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's not go overboard, if we're going to start discussing the origins of the surname "Mahler" then there's no reason not to argue doing the same for Stravinsky, Chopin, Mozart, and Beethoven. Biographical pages should stick to the person in question and their work. If there was a separate article called Mahler, perhaps there we could have some info on the origins and use it as a disambig page. Antidote 08:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of Mahler etymology discussion

message: It seems to me that although the text written by User: Pfistermeister  and removed by User:Antidote is about Alma Mahler, it is relevant to Gustav, and should infact be included in the Gustav article, along perhaps with a more detailed discussion in the Alma article --Atavi 08:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, the article already needs to be pruned down a bit, especially the "Influence" section as it appears to be one big commentary rather than a voice-less biographical reciting. We shouldn't add sections which really have little relevance. For example, I'm sure there's some great anecdote about Mahler and another composer, but we're not going to create a whole 'nother information section just for that, so there's no reason to add this. Antidote 08:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the information in the Alma text indeed seems anecdotal, but the text also contains some interesting and important insight into the relationship between Gustav and Alma. Perhaps the text could be condensed into two or three lines, with the rest going to the Alma entry.-Atavi 09:12, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, sure. Antidote 01:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will do that, as soon as I find an opportunity. -Atavi 13:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Rather than 3 lines, it turned out to be 8 in the later life section. However, I think that they are as concise as they can be.--Atavi 13:43, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of extended information about Alma Mahler