Talk:LGBT rights in the United Kingdom

message: Here there's some interesting statistics about prosecutions of gays from 1938 to 1955: "In 1938, the police in England and Wales dealt with 134 cases of sodomy; in 1952, 670; and in 1954, 1043. Arrests for homosexual assault increased from 822 in 1938 to 3,305 in 1955. Furthermore, in 1955, there were 2,322 recorded instances of "gross indecency" in England and Wales, in comparison with 316 in 1938."   It could be good to flesh out this earlier period not covered by the article. Malick78 (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 1940s

message: I have heared that there are parentage laws coming into force from 1 May 2009. It allows lesbians and there fe male de facto or civil partner who have undergone IVF or insamination to be recognised on the childs birth cirtificate - heterosexual women have always had there husband or de facto male partner recognised for years. under the Human Fertilisation & Embryology Act 2008 (assented).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 (talk) 09:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parentage laws 

message: It would nice to see a section on how each of the political parties approach gay rights.
Sam 12:11, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political parties 

message: Although it may seem commonsense, the open sentence "are regarded as liberal" is unsourced, subjective, and vague. And the summary of legislation in the intro paragraph seems a hodge-podge, neither in chronological or reverse-chronological or, as far as I can see, any other order.
Anyone mind if I rework?
Dybryd (talk) 08:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead does need a major rewrite. It's, as you said, very hodge-podge and lacks structure and coherence. It also needs to mention the important fact that gay marriage is still illegal in the UK. MaesterTonberry (talk) 10:57, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, I've cleaned up the lead. MaesterTonberry (talk) 10:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: rewrite of the lead?

message: Is same-sex adoption still illegal in Northern Ireland? From searching I've only found stories from a couple years ago remarking on the controversy on proposals to legalise it rather than any news of it becoming legal.  The result of a court case in 2008 allowed unmarried couples to adopt but didn't explicitly mention the status of same-sex couples. See here
Also I'm aware that the 'Adoption and Children Bill' in England and Wales was in 2002 but does anyone know the date the laws came into effect? (a previous date on the article stated 1 August 2006 but I found nothing to back that up - the citation provided had nothing to do with it). MaesterTonberry (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same-sex adoption in Nothern Ireland and dates 

message: Is there really any need for this? It looks more like a list of demands. The red crosses and the green ticks are incredibly POV, almost agreeing that all the points are 'good things'. I think they are, but Wikipedia shouldn't be stating what is good or bad.86.130.0.104 (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Even a child at school knows that a green tick means that you got a question right. 86.2.118.52 (talk) 03:58, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary checklist 

message: Added changes due to the Equality Act 2010 including :
*Civil partnerships may now be held on religious premises
*Inclusion of anti trans gender discrimination
*Banning discrimination by schools on the grounds of gender reassignment
PjThompso 19:38, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equality Act 2010 

message: The article as currently written is from a very England-centric viewpoint.  Either a Scotland article should be spun off or a separate subsection added for LGBT rights in Scotland (and also for NI).LothianLiz (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article's title is "LGBT rights in the UK" - that's why there's no section for the Isle of Man and Channel Islands.  They have different legislative dates because they have their own parliaments, elections and no representation in the UK parliament whatsoever. They are not nor ever have been a part of the UK as anybody with knowledge of the UK should know.  The IOM and each of the main Channel Islands have their own articles.--ЗAНИA talk WB talk] 21:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scotland and NI 

message: A section should be added describing the legal basis and status of relationships in the UK's territorial possessions outside of England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland. Fortguy (talk) 19:12, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK dependencies 

message: Is there a special meaning of 'all protections' that is different from the normal meaning?
For example, there is no protection against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation if taking up a position in a religious organisation. There is also state-mandated discrimination against homosexuals wanting a religious wedding ceremony.
It seems to me that 'generally protected, with exceptions for religious organisations' would be more accurate.
Joombar (talk) 14:23, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Discrimination protections: All protections since 2010" 

message: Just to explain my edit:
Adultery is grounds for divorce for same-sex marriages, using the same definition of adultery as in opposite-sex marriages – that of case law, which is penile-vaginal intercourse. As Schedule 4, Part 3.2 says, "“(6)Only conduct between the respondent and a person of the opposite sex may constitute adultery for the purposes of this section.”. Nowhere in the act is adultery not said to be grounds for divorce. There is no inequality or difference there vis-à-vis opposite- and same-sex marriages; the definition of adultery is valid equally for all marriages.
Rossoh (talk) 10:48, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adultery 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :LGBT rights in the United Kingdom's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "ILGA 2013":
From LGBT rights in Denmark: State-sponsored Homophobia A world survey of laws criminalising same-sex sexual acts between consenting adults
From LGBT rights in Montserrat: State-sponsored Homophobia A world survey of laws prohibiting same sex activity between consenting adults
From LGBT rights in Kazakhstan: 
From LGBT rights in Northern Cyprus: State-sponsored Homophobia. A world survey of laws: Criminalisation, protection and recognition of same-sex love, 2013, ILGA
From LGBT rights in Bahrain: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 18:56, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:LGBT rights in the United Kingdom]] 

message: Equality is not devolved to the Welsh Assembly so legislation such as the Marriage (Same-Sex Couples) Act applies in Wales just as much as in England. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Excesses (talk • contribs) 08:16, 13 January 2015
:As Wales now has law making powers and can pass its own legislation and can have separate laws, which differ from those in England. Not all LGBT+ rights are criminal and the church in Wales is a separate entity so there can be difference If there was no welsh assembly the England and Wales would be one unit as there is a separate legislature albeit in only 20 areas, there is now going to be variation in what happens in or around those areas and that can and will include LGBT+ rights for example there could be a different stance taken by NHS Wales or the Welsh government on MSM blood donation.This is why i think they need to be two separate entries. Sport and politics (talk) 12:18, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is in the same way as "equality" not being devolved to Northern Ireland as "equality" is covered by way too many areas, e.g. Service provision in Tourism and MSM blood Donation the NHS devolved areas. Sport and politics (talk) 12:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the items in that table are within the power of the Welsh Assembly, as defined by the Government of Wales Act 2006 (as amended) to pass legislation on. Blood donation isn't in the table but it's an odd one anyway as based on NHS Trust rather that geographic borders - only North Wales is covered by NHSBT, so it's possible there could be some differences in implementation. However, in practice, SaBTO are setting the guidelines everyone is following. ~Excesses~ (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wales does not have full lawmaking powers. Under the terms of the Government of Wales Act 2006, Wales has the ability to pass legislation of two kinds: Measures and Acts, and the matters that are devolved differ. Matters where the Welsh Assembly has powers to pass Measures are laid down by Section 94 and Schedule 5; subjects where the Assembly has powers to pass Acts are laid down by Section 108 and Schedule 7. Any matter or subject of law which is not explicitly devolved by those Schedules remains under the jurisdiction of Westminster. In Schedule 5, equality is mentioned only in the context of the Welsh language; marriage and gender are not mentioned at all. In Schedule 7, equality is mentioned only in the context of equal opportunities (i.e. employment); marriage is explicitly excluded (Clause 12); and gender is not mentioned at all. Therefore the Welsh Assembly does not have lawmaking powers in those areas. Consequently, Section 20 of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 is able to state "This Act extends to England and Wales" without further qualification; it goes on to show how it applies to Scotland and Northern Ireland, with several qualifications. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:51, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  England and Wales 

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thread_title:  LGBT community in the UK 

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message: Hi. I was wondering if anyone who is a British LGBT Christian or someone skilled in inclusive narratives could rewrite the first paragraph that says "Before and during the formation of the UK, Christianity and homosexuality clashed. Same-sex sexual activity was characterised as sinful..."
This perpetuates the myth that being LGBT is a sin and the myth that it is impossible to be an LGBT Christian. For straight Christians reading this paragraph, it also immediately changes the tone of the narrative and influences the degree of receptiveness the viewer has.
This is my opinion as an American LGBT Christian. I am not knowledgable/authoritative on how to best word it for the British experience, but want to point this out so someone with more knowledge/authority could correct it within a British context.
I hope this was helpful.
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TenorTwelve (talk) 22:04, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
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message: It is about the right time to consider splitting this article in to more child articles, and turning this article in to a genuine overview article. This way all elements which relate to this topic can be adequately and comprehensively covered. 
There fore I propose the splitting in to the following articles:
New Article title → sections covered 
#Sexual orientation rights in the United Kingdom → Same-sex sexual activity (and all the sub sections)
#Adoption and family rights in the United Kingdom → Adoption and family planning
#Gender identity and the military of the United Kingdom → new section
#Sexual orientation equality in the United Kingdom and Gender Identity equality in the United Kingdom → Discrimination protections
#Sexual orientation conversion therapy in the United Kingdom and Gender identity conversion therapy in the United Kingdom-> Controversy over conversion therapy
Please feel free to comment on these proposed child articles, there is an awful lot of information on this topic, and each section needs a dedicated article. At the moment it is very hefty on G issues, and the rest are not covered as well as they could be if at all in some cases. For example being transgender in the UK military.
Sport and politics (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is because other areas (such as Intersex rights in the United Kingdom) already have child articles? I support this in principle, but you might want to look at precedent elsewhere, such as Sexual orientation and gender identity in military service instead of creating so many new pages. Trankuility (talk) 06:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Please forgive me, but I fail to see the comparisons, or the precedent. All the proposed articles have more than enough information to stand on their own. This topic and all areas of it are immeasurably huge, and so is this article. This article already has 11 child article/links to other articles on topics of this subject. Sport and politics (talk) 10:10, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting up of article 

message: Was sex between 18 year old men illegal in 1980? For memoir. Wrolf (talk) 23:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Illegal. Same-sex sexual activity was only legal for men aged 21 and over in England and Wales in 1980 (as per what is written in the article). In Scotland and Northern Ireland it was illegal for men of all ages at that time. Same-sex sexual activity was first made legal for men aged 21 and over in England and Wales in 1967 (reduced to 18 in 1994, and then to 16 in 2000), in Scotland in 1981, and in Northern Ireland in 1982. These basic points are outlined in the articles info box on the right hand side of the page, while more detailed information is included in the main body of the article. For more information see the section of this article titled Decriminalisation of homosexual acts, as well as these pages:
* Sexual Offences Act 1967 (see the amendments section in particular)
* Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994
* Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000
Hope that helps. Helper201 (talk) 11:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  18 year olds and 1967 Act 

message: The EU Parliament vote was in fact binding to the UK.2601:447:4101:5780:55E8:7063:62D7:F63E (talk) 14:57, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry but the therapy has been banned

message: Hi. I'm unsure where to add this important video. Not all countries respect LGBT+ History Month. Wales does. This is a Government video: any suggestions where is best? The Welsh Government have supported the LGBT+ in many ways, and there should really be a section for that. Any help would be appreciated.  Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , Thank you for uploading this video. Unfortunately I reverted your edit because it does not suit the section and possibly this article. I would suggest you add it to the UK section in LGBT History Month instead. Otherwise, it may not yet have a place on a current article. AussieWikiDan (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a better home for it! Thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video: beginning of LGBT+ History Month 2021 

message: I would remove these sections, as they just seem too trivial, simply being relatively recent news stories without much relevance to the article as a whole.
1.7	Alan Turing
1.8	200 year old diary
--TrottieTrue (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superflous sections 

message: The introduction currently seems to imply that the military only legally stopped discharging LGBT in 2016 when the final archaic elements of the Armed Forces Act were repealed. I'm not sure this is a fair representation of the truth to be honest. Whilst the detail may have been still included in legislation, LGBT personnel have not been subject to "non-enforcement" since 2000 - there have been many obvious and clear efforts to encourage LGBT. There is an entire Wiki article on the subject and it explains in detail about what happened between 2000 and 2016! Sexual orientation and the military of the United Kingdom.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stingray Trainer (talk • contribs) 20:43, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military and LGBT Rights 

message: Introduction began with the clash between Christianity and Homosexuality (597AD). Britain was not anti homosexual for hundreds of years before the form arrival of Christianity. This includes the Anglo Saxon, Roman and Celtic periods. 
Pjthompso (talk) 18:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overal history 

message: When I search lgbtq+ in my browser of choice, the webwidget that comes up is blackpool's! 91.240.227.220 (talk) 14:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackpool 

message: Should we include this situation in Transgender rights?
https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/12/06/trans-gender-recognition-certificate-kemi-badenoch-uk/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12818487/amp/Ministers-blacklist-countries-people-change-gender.html Melofy (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I'd say yes and that WP:BEBOLD applies here. Though don't ever use the Daily Mail to cite anything on Wikipedia. Please see WP:DAILYMAIL (the Daily Express and Metro are to be avoided as well). Helper201 (talk) 00:29, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I just grabbed the first two links I saw just to question if we should, I will use more reliable scources in editing. Thank you! Melofy (talk) 14:33, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , no problem. Please remember you use Template:Cite news when citing a news source, or Template:Cite web if its non-news website. You can see an example of how this is done with the sources I've done this for that you added (i.e. the two PinkNews sources). Anyway, thanks for adding the info. Helper201 (talk) 17:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trans “blacklist”