Talk:Piano wire

message: I took out the link to cold work because that article is overly technical and probably of little interest to a non-metallurgist here. I put in a link to drawing instead. --ILike2BeAnonymous 20:01, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to [[cold work]]

message: I'm not a fisherman, but I question the Mythbusters story as presented here (I never saw the video). As I understand it, fishing line is not designed to lift a fish out of the water, rather it is designed to tire the fish out and bring it alongside the boat, where stronger hooks and gaffs are used to recover it. Several web sites devoted to shark fishing suggest the use of 50 or 80 lb strength line e.g. http://www.newenglandsharks.com/shark2.htm and http://bluemako.customer.netspace.net.au/ --agr 19:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to see this material deleted.  We should be using better reference sources than this.  Opus33 01:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done. ==ILike2BeAnonymous 06:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, IL2BA.  Opus33 17:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Piano wire and sharks

message: Following up on ILike2BeAnonymous's sensible move, I'm moving this passage here to the talk page:
:It was also used as a booby trap against American soldiers in open-top Jeeps by German troops in the final years of World War 2. The wire was tied at the neck level of a soldier riding in a Jeep on certain roads. Soldiers hit by this trap were almost always beheaded.
This sounds so much like an urban myth (villainous Nazis, sensational death, singling out of Americans as opposed to Allied soldiers in general ...) that I think it's too much of a risk to include it in the article at this stage.  If the person who wrote it can provide a published reference source, then I wouldn't mind if it went back in.  Opus33 20:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you defending Nazis and downplaying the role of the United States in winning the war? I have a few ideas. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 05:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it as a statement about warfare tactics, which may be too fascinating for you. I don't see anywhere in that paragraph giving the idea that he is defending Nazis or downplaying the role of the United States in winning the war. -Spansign (talk) 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: And there you have it. --Haizum    μολὼν λαβέ 19:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Hello, Ghost. Looking on Amazon, Google, Google Scholar, and the online catalog of my library, I cannot find this book.  Are you sure you have the author and title correct?  Sincerely, Opus33 (talk) 17:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Here is a cartoon drawn in the 1940's by Bill Mauldin showing a US Army jeep with a wire cutter installed. __Just plain Bill (talk) 02:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The booby trap passage

message: Is the smallest gauge .007"/0.17mm or .006"/0.15mm?  Sumbuddy make it consistant.-- Randall Bart 04:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Take your pick. Mapes lists it as small as 0.006"; Roslau lists music wire for stringed and plucked instruments from 0.07 to 0.67mm, and for pianos from 0.675 to 1.60mm (an old chart shows their nr.1 is 0.20mm); ASW music wire gauge 6/0 - 0.004" is the smallest listed here. Piano specific limits might want to mention dates and tensions - Mireut 19:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small gauge 

message: The only contradiction I found in the article is relating to the smallest gauge: 0.006 or 0.007. It should be easy to clarify this for someone with greater knowledge of the subject matter. Vadigor 21:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: Diff. It is still "piano wire" or "music wire" when used to make springs, control rods, and other items. The article might not need specific mention of guitar strings, since I believe they are often made from smaller-gauge wire. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The incremental approach is working fine, IMO. Was about to do something similar when SWMBO took me to lunch... I think keeping "Music wire" as a redirect to here is just about optimal. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 18:25, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not just for pianos 

message: In the last several years from time to time I have seen mechanical devices with particular types of springs offered for sale.  Recently certain manufacturers have begun using the term "rocket wire" to describe a particular grade of drawn tempered steel wire for springs, and in their advertisements they make the claim that such springs are superior to music wire springs.
Does the term "rocket wire" have any specific meaning?  A Google search reveals that the term implies that the wire meets NASA specs for manufacture of springs to be used in spacecraft.  Is this accurate, and, if so, how do the specs differ from "music wire?"  Is it the heat treatment?  The alloy?  Precision of manufacture?  Something else?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.41.40.24 (talk) 13:52, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Short answer up front: I don't know. I have seen rocket wire mentioned in online string-instrument fora. The main example springing to mind is the E string on a five-string viola with a body length more than about sixteen inches, where the string length calls for a combination of tension and diameter a bit beyond the material strength limits of "normal" carbon steel. Not sure how successful the rocket wire is in that application. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 15:53, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "music wire" vs "rocket wire" 

message: I imagine that someone looking up piano wire might be interested in using it for something?  If so I imagine they would want to know the relevant properties of modern piano wires - density, elastic modulus, elastic limit and safe working limit, as well as (possibly) the Poisson ratio.  
(I believe the term "piano wire" only appeared after about 1885 when Broadwood introduced high-carbon wires.  Earlier and weaker wires were not as specialised, and would more properly be called "music wires").  
I appreciate these are available in the references, but I think it would be as well to present the range for what we now call "piano wire" in the text.PhysicistQuery (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Utility of page? 

message: i would love more details about how one makes wire from cast steel. Is is cast as opposed to earlier forged steel wire? Or did or replace iron wire? Clearly it isn't cast directly into wire, so one assumes it is cast into rods and then drawn into wire. Why and how is this supior to a forged blank, which one normally associates with stronger steel than cast steel.  Idumea47b (talk) 09:15, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast steel 

message: There should be a mention about bass strings of pianos which are piano wire strings wound with copper wire to make them heavier, so you don't need super long strings for the lower notes. Typically in a piano, about one third of the strings use copper-wound piano wire. 85.144.220.151 (talk) 18:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This article seems to be more about "piano wire" the material and not about Piano acoustics, which is linked. How much "application" information is appropriate here? How to wind springs? How to temper steel? --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bass strings