Talk:Havana Shipyards

message: I have added this to your talk page to clarify the matter in hand.
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--Zleitzen 19:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't chosen to antagonize you, nor is there any political rationale behind my requests for citations. I'm asking for the article to follow wikipedia policy. At present, it doesn't - hence the templates. Please read the information provided on the pages offered on how to present verifiable sources on the page, and re-read the comments other editors have made on your talk page on this matter.--Zleitzen 19:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Apologies if my tone appears antagonsitic in print, and I appreciate your efforts to clarify the points on the page. My only concerns here are to ensure that WP:V verification and neutrality policies are in place on the page. Given that anything to do with the Cuban revolution is potentially contentious, these policies need to be upheld to the finest detail. This applies to all editors regardless of the nature of the material. Take a look at this page for clarity on wikipedia's attitude to articles and research : WP:NOR and this page: WP:CITE which should give you guidance on how to deal with the technicalities of providing citations.--Zleitzen 00:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Please read

message: At present this article is mainly about the Palmer shipyard in Casablanca.  (Though I assume that El Arsenal was elsewhere).  Is that the only operating shipyard in Havana Bay ?  Or are there other shipyards which should also be mentioned ? -- Beardo 12:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect most likely that the "El Arsenal" yards were somewhere near the Arsenal that is by the main Havana train station.
But if the article is to be restricted to just the yards set up by Palmer, it should be renamed to something more specific. 
Either that, or widen it to cover all shipyards in Havana.  -- Beardo 22:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Havana / Palmer 

message: Interview material, Cuba and the United States - whose interview material ?  Has this been published anywhere ? -- Beardo 12:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing

message: Is the Palmer shipyard one of the certified claims at OFAC ?
There is reference to a denial of visas - is that under Title IV of Helms Burton ?  Is that denial still in place.  (I tried to find mention of this on the internet, but only found Sherritt, Domos and BM.)
-- Beardo 12:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US position  

message: Greetings Beardo, 
This interview material is from the book Dos Epocas, Flight of No Return and is currently in production, as I am a working journalist.
Best,
GabrielFoto
Dear Gabriel - unfortunately, the rules of wikipedia do not permit the inclusion of that material until it has been published in a reputable source. -- Beardo 23:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview material 

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-- Beardo 16:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No original research 

message: A reference to this gentleman was added - I assume to provide a source.  Where can one go to look up the statements he made ? -- Beardo 23:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danny Bandana