Talk:Darfur

message: Someone from the kids of kids charity seems to have put in a promotional paragraph advertising their work, i don't think it really belongs here and is not cited. It is also a bit too obviously a pitch, thoughts on removing it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcuschenevix (talk • contribs) 09:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kids for Kids 

message: Which is it? The article uses both. Darfuri sounds correct to me, but I know very little.
Hamiltondaniel (talk) 07:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darfuri or Darfurian? 

message: Anybody got some?  I hear about the numbers of people killed in the conflict and don't know how to relate it to the totals in the region.  Even rough estimates would be good if hard numbers are not available.
 Darfur population figures: 6 million, 6.5 million, or 6-7 million
As found on (http://sudanwatch.blogspot.com/2004/11/darfur-population-figures-6-million-65.html)
Also if anyone is looking for a way to take action let me know. I have an email you can send to goverment officials.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ras FF (talk • contribs) 16:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population estimates? 

message: This was removed, why?
According to Ben Cohen, of truemajority.org (http://www.truemajority.org/darfur_webcast.cfm):
" Over the last several months, a government-backed Arabia militia in Sudan called the Janjaweed has been attacking black Africans. The Janjuweed tactics are crude but effective. They enter a village and use terror to force everyone to leave their homes and crops. Entire populations have fled to distant camps in the middle of desolate areas. These desert camps are now surrounded and controlled by the Janjuweed, and anyone who tries to leave is raped or killed. Unarmed international aid workers are turned away. A total of 370,000 human beings are already dead or in the late stages of dying from starvation in these extermination camps. The death toll could reach 1 million within the next few months.
Time is our worst enemy. Every day 1,000 people are dying in these camps. Currently, starvation is taking the weakest—70% of the dead are children five and under. As time goes on, the death toll will rise more quickly. The United States needs to ensure that food aid is brought to the people of Darfur with protection from an international military force. Congress has already allocated tens of millions of dollars for this mission and seems willing to allocate millions more if needed. The problem is that the Bush administration is unwilling to take the decisive action needed to make sure the food aid is safely delivered to those who need it most. Instead, they are calling on the corrupt Sudanese government to disarm their allies, the Janjuweed, and allow the food aid in. To pressure the Sudanese government, the Bush administration is talking about using sanctions, a process that will take months—long enough to kill everyone currently starving in the camps. That is why it is crucial that Congress speaks out now." Ben Cohen (truemajority.org and Ben and Jerry's ice cream)
Because:
* Ben Cohen is not a primary source.  He's never even been to Darfur.  Human Right Watch have, and are.
* It's inappropriately POV (please read Wikipedia:Tutorial (Keep in mind)), especially the bits about Bush, which are in any case irrelevant to an international audience.
* Its statistics - in particular the 370,000 claim - disagree with everything else I've been able to find; does he know better than the aid organizations who are actually in Darfur?
And finally, I do not appreciate being accused of "censoring any substance regarding Janjuweed attacks on Blacks in the Sudan" after having written most of Darfur conflict myself. - Mustafaa 05:22, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  data removed 1 

message: Fatima Aisha Mohammad (Darfur refuge, former schoolteacher, age 46),
 from a Washington Post article:
"Very frankly, they selected us ladies and had what they wanted with us,
like you would a wife," said Mohammad, 46, who has five children. "I am
humiliated. Always they said, 'You are nothing. You are abid (a racial epithet). You are too black.' It was disgusting."
During a recent visit, government minders warned people at the school to
stop talking about the rapes or face beatings or death. Minders also were
seen handing out bribes to keep women from speaking to foreign visitors.
But those at the school spoke anyway. A group of people handed a journalist
two letters in Arabic that listed 40 names of rape victims, and wanted the
list to be sent to Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) of Kansas
and Rep. Frank R. Wolf of Virginia, Republicans who were touring the region
and pressing the government to disarm the Janjaweed.
"I was sad. I am now very angry. Now they are trying to silence us. And
they can't," Mohammad said. "What will people think of all of us out here?
That we did this to ourselves? People will know the truth about what is
happening in Darfur."
I am a woman 77 years old and the United States and would wonder what I can do to help this is just unforgivable Viviananita (talk) 11:22, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  they are trying to silence us 

message: I would like to raise two points:
1) What is meant by the word "African" applied to the non-Arabic speaking tribes? Does it refer to the color of their skin, to their language, or what? The word originally meant people of north Africa, who were not black.
2) I have heard that the so-called "Arabs" of Darfur are actually "black" as well. So shouldn't the word "black" be deleted from the part about the conflict?
From what I have read, the people on the two sides are more or less the same color and have the same religion.
EricK 11:28, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the difference between 'Black' and 'African' Is that Black means any negro in all of the world (Especially USA and UK) and African refers to anyone living in Africa-- regardless of race. Sub- Saharan Africa gives its meaning away, and South Afican means living in South Africa because any other meaning would be confusing. --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Black" and "African" 

message: I seperated the external and wiki links. I also added an external link to the Save Durfur campaign. I also deleted the racist comment here on the talk page that's apparently been on here since April, and nothing was done about it. JanderVK 10:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External and Wiki Links 

message: The best website is www.sauverledarfour.org
;It may be, but its in french 
:--Chrisdab 14:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new links 

message: Hi maybe you can put links from NGO like www.savedarfur.org and www.sauverledarfour.org
Mike
Its already listed under Bibliography of the Darfur conflict, main article: Darfur conflict.  This article is about the region Darfur not the current conflict.
--Chrisdab 16:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: - He called for Pan-Arabism, and Arab unity, not Arab supremacy. He was a socialist, revolutionary, those ideas of so called "Arab Supremacy" conflict with his notions of socialism etc. See Muammar Gaddafi article for details.
::The Gaddafi section you talk of has no interest, because it is unsourced; instead, this article is confirmed by Prunier's book (inline citation in Darfur conflict) and de Waal's review on the TLS .--Aldux 12:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look better; none of the inline citations present in the article covers the specific section (Gaddafi#Islamic Socialism and Pan-Arabism), the other are "external links", not "references", and as WP:EL tells, external links is the material that isn't used for referencing. Anyways, BT has already awnsered you at Talk:Darfur conflict.--Aldux 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muammar Gaddafi 

message: Time to limit the editing of this page due to vandalism.  Someone needs to do this now. PLEASE ADD TO THIS ARTICLE:  limit editing due to vandalism  --Scottymoze 03:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs vandalism block 

message: Why is it that everytime i clarify it is African-arab janjaweed, and Muslim Rebels people have a problem with it and remove the info. This is the truth, nothing false at all and anyone with a history of the conflict or knowledge of the current conflict will tell you the same. Removing this info (so blatantly by people with an agenda - ie. Aldux) results to vandalism of the article, I am telling you now everytime you make this change it will simply be reverted to the truth. Save yourself the time and don't bother. The funny thing is that all those ppl with an agenda, who are trying to make a fool of arabs and muslim people, who are trying to vilify them etc. cant see that the only ones whom they are really making a fool of is themselves.
Gmflash 02:16, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bravo! Far from me to dare dissent from a man who knows The Truth™. It's really a pity wikipedia cares only about reliability, and not about The Truth™. Oh, and, BTW, personal attacks and assumption of bad faith is not tolerated in wikipedia.--Aldux 13:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop censoring the truth 

message: Hi, I'm working with The Pulitzer Center, a non-profit journalism agency geared towards providing audience to underrepresented news stories.  I'd like to link this page to a few related articles on the Pulitzer site; http://www.pulitzercenter.org/showproject.cfm?id=18 concerning the conflict in Darfur,  Please let me know if I can post these links.  Many thanks in advance. Blendus 04:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Link 

message: I did a major cleanup/rewrite of the Darfur Conflict section - there was a lot of outdated, unreferenced and biased material.  I added some references, and tried to give it a more neutral voice, though it's still by no means perfect.
Puddleglum 20:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed this section.  Vietnam is not a war, Rwanda is not a genocide and Darfur is not a conflict.  It is already briefly described and linked, so do not give undue weight.  That's the whole point of breakout articles.  The external links specific to the recent conflict should also be moved to Bibliography of the Darfur conflict. - BanyanTree 11:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darfur Conflict rewrite 

message: why is there no mention of the genocide in Darfur in this article? Capt Jack Doicy 22:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added the standard link to main article template at the top of the section. A lot of the info in that section could be moved to the other article. This article should be an encylopaedic entry about Darfur. The conflict would seem to belong in the other article. Please pay attention to the structure as that will determine how successfully the page avoids unnecessary political controversy and bickering. If you want to help Darfur then concentrate on editing in clear and verfiable facts. That will help everyone. Thankyou DJ Barney (talk) 00:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Darfur Genocide

message: This should be integrated into the geography section.  If it affects the Darfur conflict as predicted by the article, it should be added there.  I think that's a bit premature though.  I won't have the time until half a day from now to add it here, so please, feel free to beat me to the punch.  Water find 'may end Darfur war' 7/18/07. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 11:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. - BanyanTree 21:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge underground lake found 

message: Removed this sentence until someone can provide evidence-- "The influence of an ideology of Arab supremacy propagated by Libyan leader Muammar al-Gaddafi that began to be acted upon by Darfurians, including those identified as "Arab" and "African"." Seems counterintuitive given Gaddafi's pan-Africanist ideology.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.58.119.156 (talk) 16:49, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gaddafi

message: who would support the creation of a "wikiproject darfur" , to cover articles related to darfur --Leitz 17:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  wikiproject 

message: What languages are spoken there? Can this be added to the article? Badagnani (talk) 04:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: This fragment in the Conflict section needs a lot of work  first, this Omar al-Bashir, an Arabic speaking black African, with affiliation to the north, has backed a mercenary group, the Janjaweed, to flush out, by many controversial means, the rebels who operate from the midst of southern farmers . What the heck is black African? That isn't a language to my knowledge. It could be racist and that really would not be good. I will put an internal link on that.--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It says he speaks arabic. Read it again. Zazaban (talk) 00:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  potentially controversial sentence 

message: A quibble on specific usage --
From section "Conflict":
"The president of the country, Omar al-Bashir, [is] an Arabic speaking black African .... This conflict has often been erroneously characterized as one between races (Arabs versus blacks), when in fact both sides of the conflict are represented by blacks, with the people of the north being mainly nomads and Arabic speaking, and the people of the south being farmers and non-Arabic speaking." 
Black African redirects to Black people, which attempts to give a worldwide rather than Africa-centric view of the subject. Is this okay for our purposes here, or is it important for our context to focus on "Black people in Africa" (as opposed to "Arabic people in Africa")? -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Black African]]?

message: The article has nothing about oil in Darfur.In fact, there's almost nothing about the geology of this region of Sudan.Agre22 (talk) 04:04, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's for the very good reason that there are no significant oil finds in Darfur.  The oil's down south.  See Economy of Sudan#Petroleum.  - BanyanTree 06:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oil in Darfur

message: Could someone find some background on the flag that's posted to the article?  If no central government of Darfur exists, how can this flag be representative of it?  Who designed it and what does it represent? --69.30.62.114 (talk) 22:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the description at :File:Bandera Darfur.svg, I have identified the flag as that of the rebel Darfur Liberation Front. Speaking with no background knowledge, I would assume the colors are chosen for the same reason as the Pan-African flag, with the inclusion of the crescent of the star and crescent to indicate Islam. I make no judgment about its relevance to this article. - BanyanTree 03:38, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erroneous Flag 

message: The link in the box on the right under "Capital" is listed "Dafuq" and links the the wiki article on "Fuck". This has clearly been vandalized and should be corrected.
It appears as though Darfur does not have a capital itself, but that each one of its five states has its own capital. I removed the "Capital" section of the info box.
JGGRN (talk) 15:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dafuq" 

message: There are two different numbers given for the number of states in the region. The introduction says "3," but the government section starts as saying "5" but then says that it came into effect early 2012. However all the maps on the page still refer to 3. 
69.231.51.107 (talk) 20:02, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of states  

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message: ...."they left records of valuable rock engravings, circular stone huts at Marrah Mountains, greater human excavation at Um Kardous Mountain as a result of Kasifrogei's tragic tale..."
What does this refer to please? I can find no reference anywhere to "Kasifrogei" or a tragic tale, let alone some relevance to antiquities. Help would be much appreciated by whoever wrote this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.39.158 (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in History of Darfur to "Kasifrogei" 

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