Talk:Stuart Sutcliffe

message: As has been well reported, the whole group 'lived in each others pockets' during their time in Hamburg with Sutcliffe; living in squalid rooms that had no privacy. As there were also so many girls (call them what you will) who were willing to have sex with the group, where did Sutcliffe and Lennon find the place, or the time? Not one of the others has ever said anything about it (not even Pete Best who surely has an axe to grind). McCartney was jealous of Lennon's friendship with Sutcliffe, but that's about it.--andreasegde (talk) 14:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, "Among the papers she presented was a a letter from Sutcliffe to his mother saying that both men and women were attracted to him". Good grief, who would write that to their mother? --andreasegde (talk) 09:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone with a much healthier relationship with his or her mother than you or I have ever experienced. Racing Forward (talk) 11:16, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

text: "If true it throws a lot of water on the usual 'Paul was jealous of Stuart's relationship with John' theory" Throws a lot of water? Do you mean it throws cold water on the theory or throws a lot of light on it? Paul B (talk) 09:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. The latter would make more sense in that context. Racing Forward (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Sutcliffe and Lennon - again

message: Any edit made without a verifiable reference will be deleted, including edits that are slipped into referenced sentences, BTW. --andreasegde (talk) 02:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The "Death" section appears to contain an ambiguity. 
"...Nielsa Kirchherr had German doctors perform various tests, but they were unable to determine exactly what was causing the intense headaches from which he had been suffering. While living at the Kirchherrs' house in Hamburg, his condition grew steadily worse. After collapsing again, Sutcliffe was taken to a hospital by Kirchherr (who rode with him in the ambulance), but he died before reaching the hospital..." Was it Nielsa as written or was it her daughter, Astrid?
Vioarc (talk) 00:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an old thing: If a person's name is mentioned, they are thereafter referred to by their surname. Nielsa Kirchherr was mentioned twice (mistake), and Astrid is mentioned many times. So it was Astrid that was with him. (BTW, it has now been changed to "Kirchherr's mother had German doctors perform various tests").--andreasegde (talk) 10:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Kirchherr rode with him in the ambulance? 

message: I removed this from the introduction. It's laughable. 
He is not a notable British painter and it is inaccurate to suggest otherwise.
Stuart Sutcliffe is primarily know as the original bass player of The Beatles.
82.4.184.39 (talk) 02:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was a very talented artist, with paintings acquired by major galleries at a very young age. Paul B (talk) 02:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Painter?

message: i am a doctor and i've never heard of anraris...do they mean an aneurysm?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.104.200 (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anraris 

message: Sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but these lyrics are actually from a song by The Spaniels- probably learned from the Gene Vincent version. Tymime (talk) 02:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you post a ref for that, it will be noted. Thanks for spotting it.--andreasegde (talk) 09:01, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right. The original lines are "As I stood and I looked at the sky,/There I saw such a wondrous light,/It reminded of a star I had left/And you gave me, yes you gave me,/Well you gave me peace of mind." song was a hit in '57.  However, the version given appears to be vitually identical to the opening lines of the Gene Vincent version, released in 1958 . The The song is briefly discussed in Great God A'Mighty! The Dixie Hummingbirds: Celebrating the Rise of Soul Gospel Music by Jerry Zolten, Oxford University Press, 2003. p.262. However, there is no comparison to the supposed Sutcliffe composition. A number of other books mention it. Paul B (talk) 22:00, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I've changed this. The source is just a website of memorabilia, not academic or "reliable". There is no doubt about the actual origin of the lyics, so I see no justification for anyone to shout about needing reliable sources or about OR. Paul B (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was not shouting. Do you have a ladder to get off that high horse?--andreasegde (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What??????? The "anyone" in my statement was an imaginary editor who might come along in the future to complain that the sentence I added in the footnote not sourced. It was not intended to refer to to your comment above. Do you mind dropping that chip from your shoulder before I get on my horse. I don't want it to fall off and scare the creature. Paul B (talk) 10:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you always this angry, or is it just a phase? Maybe it's because of the Geordie thing? I sympathise. :))--andreasegde (talk) 18:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was born in Penny Lane and I still have my old Quarry Bank school tie. Scousers are always ready for a fight, but generally prefer to mouth off. Geordies have to get pissed first. They can't do the verbals like a Scouser. This is due to their Viking heritage and the absence of Irish blood; they have to hit each other because even other Geordies can't understand a word they say. Paul B (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree entirely; can't stand that bloody Mills woman. As you are a Scouser, I doff my cap to you. I even married one. :)--andreasegde (talk) 08:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I married an ex-Geordie from Norfolk. Her parents were part of the Great Geordie Diaspora of the '50s, seeking somewhere even more isolated from the rest of England than Tynside. Paul B (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You learn something new everyday, as they say. :) --andreasegde (talk) 22:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace of Mind 

message: The entire section on Pauline Sutcliffe's memoir was deleted by an anonymous user on 27 Feb 2010, who arrived to do this one thing and has since vanished. Is this deletion (some might say sanitization) to stand without discussion? (History) (Compare) XyKyWyKy (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently so! I doubt there should be a whole section on the topic. Paul B (talk) 16:27, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Section on Pauline Sutcliffe's memoir deleted

message: You are invited to participate in an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/The Beatles on the issue of capitalising the definite article when mentioning the band's name in running prose. This long-standing dispute is the subject of an open mediation case and we are requesting your help with determining the current community consensus. For the mediators. ~ GabeMc (talk|contribs) 00:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles RfC 

message: The intro seems confusing. It says Sutcliffe & Lennon invented the band's name & then it says Lennon changed it to The Beatles. What was the name Sutcliffe & Lennon invented? GoodDay (talk) 08:17, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of the Beatles 

message: I've been trying to figure out if Astrid was at the funeral in Liverpool. This article claims that she wasn't because she was ill (Cynthia Lennon's book says the same), but Lewhison's book, All Those Years states that she was there with Klaus and that she even stayed with Millie until tensions grew too much.
The evidence presented here of her non-attendance is a letter she wrote to Millie apologising for not attending.  The link is broken, but it appears to be this one: http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/mol/exhibitions/sutcliffe/letter4.aspx. The text is rather hard to read, but I don't see anything that looks like an apology for not attending.  Furthermore, the text at the beginning of the page repeats the "too ill to attend" story, but does not explicitly state that this is mentioned in the letter.  Any thoughts?  Ballabosh (talk) 16:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Astrid at Stuart's Funeral 

message: I think it should read Beetals where it says "Beatals".
Ds77 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 03:45, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources seem to prefer Beatals . Paul B (talk) 15:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatals vs Beetals 

message: I question the portion (capitalized here) of the statement on this Wiki page regarding cause of death and prior injury:  "The cause of Sutcliffe's aneurysm is unknown, ALTHOUGH IT IS BELIEVED TO HAVE BEEN STARTED BY AN EARLIER HEAD INJURY (capitalization mine), as he was either kicked in the head, or thrown, head first, against a brick wall during a fight outside Lathom Hall, after a performance in January 1961.[66]"
I think this is a very sloppy, ill-informed and speculative statement about Mr. Sutcliffe's cause of death.  The citation is to a non-medically trained author.  In fact, it is highly probable that prior head injury(ies) was/were unrelated to Mr. Sutcliffe's cause of death.  
For example, here is a seemingly medically well-considered discussion of cause of death: http://www.rockmine.com/Reaper/StuPM.html. I quote from its conclusion, in pertinent part: 
"In summary, the two causes of death that best fit the scenario are Aneurysm and AVM, both congenital and unrelated to any blow to the head. None of the causes of death from a blow to the head fit the time frames or history we have on Stu."
Perhaps someone wants to re-write this to say something like, "The cause of Mr. Sutcliffe's brain condition has never been conclusively established.  Speculation linking it to prior head injuries is unproven, but it is known that he was either kicked in the head, or thrown, head first, against a brick wall during a fight outside Lathom Hall, after a performance in January 1961." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.71.200.6 (talk) 19:59, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death 

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message: In November 2020, a user changed the name of the article "Stuart Sutcliffe" and "Stu Sutcliffe", stating "common name" as the reason for the move. Firstly, can someone smarter than me confirm this is correct, please? Secondly, was there a discussion for this anywhere? —Jonny Nixon (talk) 17:47, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple questions