Talk:Eureka (TV series)/Archive 1

message: the description is probably fine for now. I've been trying to quote it, but the code for it is messing up the page. dposse 16:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  that description. 

message: Should we add a section for speculation and trivia.   For example, the license plate on Taggart's vehicle is "NACI-93" and Taggart's accent on the show is British or Canadian.  This might represent that he worked for the Canadian National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) in 1993.--P Todd 00:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's status as a stub says "go nuts!" – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 00:46, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it doesn't. heqs 10:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well then, "go to a point which is sensible and not overly vague or speculative!" My eagerness got the better of me. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Trivia sections are discouraged by Wikipedia policy.  So, no.  If you can't find a way to work it into the body of the article, wait until someone else can. 12.22.250.4 16:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia?  Speculation? 

message: A large part of this article is taken verbatim fromt the show's official site's About page. 71.253.141.238 19:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not taken verbatum. It uses a similar format and similar wording, but it is not an exact quotation. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright Violation 

message: I edited the episodes list with new date and episode names, however they are not official. If they turn out to be wrong, I'll come back and fix them.--RNAi 03:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with the Episodes section as it now stands.  The information is unsourced, but implies that airing the episodes out of order did not in anyway distort ongoing story arcs.  Unfortunately, anyone paying attention during the first series had to have noticed that the development of the Jack Carter/Alison Blake relationship made no sense.  They start as strangers, then he shows signs of a crush.  They grow closer over two episodes and then suddenly they are strictly business.  Then they're close again, and then they aren't, with no visible explanation.  In addition, near the end of the series Henry is inexplicably bitter and alone just one episode after having finally begun a relationship with Kim.  In retrospect, it's obvious that the episode takes place after her death, even though Kim hasn't been killed in the accident yet.  I'm not saying this to open discussion about the show, but I am saying this to indicate that airing the episodes out of order very much did distort the season long arcs, and that the Episodes section as written is wrong and has no sources to back it up.  The only source for information seems to be Scfi.com, and they certainly aren't going to admit that their strategy (such as it was) played havoc with character development.  Can anyone find independent interviews or reports not originated by Scifi Channel that can confirm either the version as written or the version I have just presented?  I can't find any, yet the distortion was, I think, painfully obvious. 12.22.250.4 17:05, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes 

message: Eureka was originally going to be an animated series. .
Pretty interesting, no? DrWho42 17:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SCI FI Wire]] article states that.... 

message: I'm moving this sentence here to the talk page until someone provides a citation:
This name change occured so as not to confuse the series with the anime series of the same name, or Eureka Seven the spin-off.
--TorriTorriTalk to me! 00:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  original research 

message: Does it really need a hovering caption when there is a caption underneath saying exactly what the picture is of??--NeilEvans 22:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does. The caption is put into the HTML code as the <img> tag's "alt" variable. More info. EVula 22:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption 

message: I've only watched a couple of episodes, but I think that there are some characters that aren't neccissarily (sic) main characters, but are still notable.  For example, SARAH might deserve a page.
Also, Lowjack DEFINATELY deserves a page...I am absolutely sure that s/he will play a part in an episode.
Ideas for new pages for other chars
-Lowjack
-Henry's assistant
-The mother and father from episode 1 and 2 (unless they are totally irrelevent)
-ect.
ALSO, I was wondering if it would be a good idea if we made a page that detailed all the projects and little inventions that occur each episode.  Thats kinda why I started watching this show, and I think it would be cool to have a little page detailing the town of Eureka and what kind of marvels are seen within its borders.
:On this note, I think the character pages were created too early, seeing as how we know so little. We should just have one List of Eureka characters page for everyone until it bloats to a point where we can split it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 17:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, though the main characters (Jack/Zoe/Jo/Allison/Henry/Stark) probably deserve pages of their own. The others, though, definitely don't - especially almost total nonentities like Sheriff Cobb, Warren,  and Colonel Briggs. They could be shifted to a list very easily. Rarr 10:56, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that point.  Several of the "main characters" listed are anything but.  Additionally other characters such as Fargo, that reoccur frequently, are not to be found.Black Wolff 05:33, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed Warren, Sheriff Cobb, and Colonel Briggs. Personally I don't think Spencer should be there either, but at least he's a little more relevant. Vincent is somewhere in between main and secondary. Fargo definitely deserves to stay though. Rarr 20:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least while the show is relatively young, using the SciFi channel's definition of main characters might be a good guideline. That means no to Vincent, yes to Fargo, etc. A separate list of seconday (i.e. Vincent), recurring (i.e. Zoe's friend at school, Spencer) and one-time but important characters (i.e. Sheriff Cobb) seems to be the other consensus. I would volunteer if I was anything but completely baffled at how to do an entire new page. If someone sets one up, I would be happy to edit it.--LKAdriaan 07:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe it's just me, but it looks like the new character Zane will be sticking around for the long term. With a third season in the works, shouldn't there be a page for him? Clovis15 03:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding secondary characters? 

message: In "Family Reunion" (Season 2), Oregon is explicitly stated to be the locale.  However, in one early episode, the car Carter is being driven in has an old California-style license plate. It reads Eureka, not California, on the top, but the orange-on-black and letter-number pattern is Californian (see "Behind the Scenes: The Science of Humor").  The first time Carter sees Eureka, it looks almost exactly like the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, set into a hillside with huge satellite dishes, albeit a bit stylized and fancified. And JPL is quite a bit like an isolated small town inhabited by the most brilliant scientists and engineers on earth....  Maybe the creators hadn't decided yet? Lmonteros 03:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag in the sheriff's office is definitely an Oregon flag.  You can see part of the word "STATE" (STATE OF OREGON); part of the year 1859; and some of the stars around the edge of the seal.  Also, the seal is only gold on a blue background, whereas the Montana flag's seal is multicolored.  Richwales 07:31, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, about 28 minutes into the episode "Right as Raynes," you can see the flag behind Deputy Lupo's shoulder, and a sizable portion of the seal is clearly visible — enough to show that it can only be the Oregon flag.  I'm not necessarily saying that the producers of the show expect the viewers to notice this detail, but trivia buffs can't help but see it.  Richwales 07:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: There's a post on the official site dated today stating that the show has been renewed for a second season. I just don't know all the fancy shmancy Wiki code to put this in the entry. Andrewhime 16:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 

message: A paragraph in the article states:
:Since redwoods only grow in California and coastal southwest Oregon, this limits the locale to the area in which the only real-world Eureka is: California.
But according to Eureka, there's at least eight other Eureka's in the US, and three in other countries, so this statement is somewhat misleading. --Lurlock 15:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why we even need to state where a real Eureka is. Its a TV show. Besides, that whole bit is original research, so I'm axing it. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only real-world Eureka? 

message: # It's a logo, just like Dell's tilted e or Toys "R" Us' backwards R. Just because we have the capability to render the logo in typeface doesn't mean we should.
# EUReKA is never used outside of the stylized logo with a specific font, colors, and styling.
# The SciFi channel does not use it as the name of the show and does not promote its use.
# It is not discussed in this article or relevant to any part of it.
# It is clearly and accurately depicted in the info box using the correct font, colors, and styling.
# Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), cited as reason to restore it, clearly discourages the use of stylized renditions in text. The one allowance provided says only that is acceptable to display it, implying that the decision is left to the editors. The two examples given, Macy's and Yellow Tail, don't use stylized renditions at all in their articles.
# The CamelCase clause (which could potentially cover this case) again makes it clear that it is a judgement call, to be used when "it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable". EUReKA does neither.
Having explained myself, I'm going to remove it again, but I'm not looking to edit war. If anyone disagrees with me, I encourage you to explain why you feel "EUReKA" should be included here, rather than why is it is allowed to be included. –  Anþony  talk  08:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On "EUR<sup>e</sup>KA" 

message: Shouldn't the actors and actresses of minor & recurring charchters also be mentioned somewhere? (e.g. the voice of Sarah?) Jon 21:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast Section 

message: Anyone notice a connection between some characters in Eureka with some in Seinfeld? Taggert is Kramer, the strange, tall weirdo; Fargo is George, the short, loser who's unlucky in love; Jo is Elaine, the tough, non-feminine chick, and Carter is Jerry, the simple guy who's just trying to live his life. This may be just me but I thought it was very weird, but it may be a coincidence. User:BioYu-Gi! 1:20p.m. 6/27/07
: See Stock characters samwaltz 13:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seinfeld Connection 

message: Consider the timeline until shortly before Kim's death in 2006 to be stable. Henry experienced it, lived until some undeterminate time in the future (we'll call this alpha-line) (and, please note, he could have come back from 2010, 2020, or any other year - it was never stated), came back, and allowed Kim to survive, (creating beta-line); due to the divergences, the timequakes happened and Carter came back from 2010 to 2006, (creating gamma-line). The Carter of this episode remembered beta-line, an alternate future; Henry only remembered alpha-line, where the explosion took place and where, by definition, the series of deaths by spontaneous combustion took place, yet he pretends he doesn't remember them. Now, is Carter just dense, has he not realized that he and Henry have not seen the same future?
Keep in mind that the Universe does not like paradoxes, it does not like divergences from what "should have happened" (alpha-line). Therefore Henry knows that keeping his memory of alpha-line ensures another series of timequakes in gamma-line, even if he personally didn't experience the quakes in beta-line. samwaltz 13:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry lived the future, Carter didn't 

message: "This is suggested by the episodes' production numbers which are displayed on the Sci-Fi channel's Eureka website next to episode titles quite often." Where? If they were removed, sadly most of scifi.com's show pages are flash and so you can't see archived versions of them in archive.org. Are they listed on a currently accessible reliable source, like on the DVDs or an official companion book? TransUtopian 14:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production codes 

message: Wherever we're pulling summaries of upcoming episodes from seems horribly unreliable. I've only been checking the pages long enough to see three of them, but every one managed to pack at least one substantial error into a two-sentence blurb. ShaleZero 06:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming episode summaries 

message: The school is not filmed at Fraser Heights. It is filmed at Sullivan Heights Secondary, also in Surrey. I know this because I go to this school, and have seen the filming being done, including when they blocked off our cafeteria area, and When they filmed the outside with the sherrif vehicle. Overloadgimpy 03:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect filming location 

message: I wonder if a general summary of the plotlines from S1 and S2 could be added, or should be added, to this page. Enigma3542002 05:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: According to Irish entertainment listings, Sky One (Ireland) is on the same episode as Sky One (UK). This suggests both countries started showing Series 2 on the same date not 2 months apart. This makes sense as the only difference between the channels should be the adverts. 84.67.183.95 20:49, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 2 Start Date 

message: Jack Carter's MySpace page lists that Eureka is located in Alabama, not Oregon. Is this a mistake (I realize that Alabama is not in the Pacific Northwest)? Chronolegion (talk) 02:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oregon 

message: Monday Begins on Saturday--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 13:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite possibly, but it needs a source, otherwise it's just ORGed UK (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What woudl you suggest? Writing to the writers of the show, and asking them if they plagiarised the Strugatskys?--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 00:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not? Though I would suggest you don't use the word plagerise ;) Ged UK (talk) 16:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I find another possible real-life inspiration in the history of Richland, WA.  This was a flyspeck town in Eastern Washington in the early 1940's that was taken over by the War Dept to build the first Atomic Bomb.  The people who lived in the smaller towns of Hanford and White Bluffs were moved out, and the towns demolished.  Richland went from a few hundred agricultural workers to 50,000+ people working in utter secrecy on the Manhatten Project.  Even the homes in the town were owned by the Govt - if a light bulb burned out, the Army would send someone to replace it.  Today, this legacy is still there in a town that has an unusually large number of Nuclear Scientists, a number of street names like Proton and Electron, and a High School whose mascot is 'The Bombers', complete with a green-and-yellow Mushroom cloud.  Nothingofwater (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspired by? 

message: The "Episodes" section is nearly identical to IMDB's writeup in the "Trivia" section.  While I'd love to believe they copied Wikipedia, I suspect it's the other way around.  Section needs to be rewritten or turned into a quote.  Needs a citation, too. 64.223.228.145 (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes section plagiarism 

message: Degree "corporate sponsors"?  On two episodes so far, I'm sure they'll work it into all the others this season.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.6.18 (talk) 01:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jumping the shark? 

message: whats this all about? --Jakezing (talk) 03:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Really clever product placement to ensure your series is profitable and able to run a full season, thankfully. rootology (T) 03:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Far from clever.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.6.18 (talk) 01:01, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  anybody know 

message: We're 3 episodes into the 3rd season and so far, not a single appearance or mention of Taggart. Is it possible Matt Frewer's character has been written out of the show? Andrewhime (talk) 05:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also wondered this. It seems possible. Clovis15 (talk) 23:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We may see his character tonight in I Do Over as it seems to involve the main characters. Here's to hoping he's still in the show. --gsk - talk - 02:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He won't be back until the 2nd half of the season, scheduling conflicts are keeping him away right now. However, they have said that they are writing an episode specific to him coming back (i assume that means he'll be the main character of the episode), and he will be in i think the release said at least 3 episodes in the 2nd half of the season  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.184.216.212 (talk) 04:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What 'release'? Might be a good source for citing stuff to improve the article. --Ged UK (talk) 11:52, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappearance of Jim Taggart? 

message: It seems to me that there should be some mention made in the article of the extensive product placement of Degree Men in recent episodes.  Specifically, in the "Two Suns" episode, the show's endorsement of the product was shamelessly blatant, and yet this article does not discuss it.  I could write the section if no one else wants to, but I wanted to air the change here first to see if anyone has any compelling reason not to include such a section before making the change.Waidawut (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degree Men sponsorship 

message: I guess we should remove Stark from the characters and start a past characters section since they killed him off in 3.04.  I would do it but idk about formatting here.Asatruar (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. He's still a character, even if he's dead. And this being Eureka, I wouldn't be surprised if he came back somehow. Ged UK (talk) 11:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Especially since he was in the episode after his death.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.64.16.58 (talk) 19:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stark 

message: : "The episodes of season one were not aired in the order intended by the show's creators. This is suggested by the episodes' production numbers which are displayed on the SCI FI's Eureka website next to episode titles quite often. ... the show's creators ... confirm that the production order is in fact the order in which they intended the show to air, ..."
How about adding those production numbers to the list of Eureka episodes? It's a multi-row table, so it can't be made resortable, but 13 episodes aren't that many anyway. I took a quick look around SciFi, but didn't see them.
—WWoods (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intended order of episodes 

message: The article mentions that Eureka is a "closely guarded secret."  This can't be true due to the fact that Jack Carter and his daughter stumbled upon it so easily. Mdriver1981 (talk) 05:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eureka's Top Secret Location 

message: FYI. Ikip (talk) 00:48, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Global Dynamics]] 

message: I mentioned this in the Nathan Stark article also.  For some reason some retard makes reference to "The Artifact" like it is something everyone on the planet should know about.  Why not explain what it is before talking about Henry trying to separate the kid from it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.82.125 (talk) 02:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Artifact" 

message: He received early acceptance to MIT after a letter of recommendation from Henry, so he is able to be with Zoe in Massachusetts.
While I appreciate the intent of the submitter as a fan of the show, this detail about the character is minor and unnecessary.  It also occurred in the most recent episode, which I happened to be watching on Tivo while reading the page - a plot detail now revealed to me.   I would suggest that plot details not be divulged in areas of the article that are not prefaced by 'spoiler alert' or otherwise identified.
I'm just sayin' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikeburtner (talk • contribs) 21:07, 19 September 2009
:As stated in WP:SPOILER "Since it is generally expected that the subjects of our articles will be covered in detail, such warnings are considered unnecessary. Therefore, Wikipedia no longer carries spoiler warnings" and "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot." While it seems like a minor and unnecessary, that will probably means that he won't be in season 4, which is quite big. Xeworlebi (t•c) 19:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot details 

message: South Africa Action-X Season 3, January 2008. Is this wright, because it didn't air in the USA until the end of july 08. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanedehe (talk • contribs) 18:22, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire section is suspect because there are no references. I've added  at the beginning of the section and  to the entry you've challenged. That's about all that can be done for now. --AussieLegend (talk) 19:42, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Air Date 

message: Made sense when Eureka and Global had separate articles, they no longer do. Would do it myself, but not sure about editing page tabs. 128.61.60.105 (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Global Dynamics Tab 

message: Has James Callis become a regular cast member on the show this (4th) season? ONEder Boy (talk) 07:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Grant 

message: I believe the character description especially of Sheriff Carter is much too detailed, giving away spoilers on the current episodes. Why is it important for his character description to know what Allison said when and why, and what he did in episode 4.07? Wouldn´t a mere short descripton of his relationship with her have sufficed?
This sounds more like someone who watched the episode wanted to change something without knowing the difference between (detailed) episode guide and character description.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.83.213.54 (talk) 20:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a tag at the beginning of the "Characters" section indicating that it needs a re-write so you're welcome to do so but, you should be aware that Wikipedia doesn't concern itself with spoilers. --AussieLegend (talk) 06:54, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers/character descriptions way too detailed 

message: This article/page needs to be edited. Use of English on this page is below standard.
Xue  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xue77 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of English in this article. 

message: Christopher Jacot, Canadian Actor, (also listed in wikipedia) plays the recurring role of Larry (formerly Fargo's nemesis, currently his assistant) and has for most seasons of the show.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.112.219.30 (talk) 16:40, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding the TV Cast 

message: A new part or article abort Eureka the town, would be a great thing and fun to do !  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.142.17 (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New part or article ! 

message: Are there any existing stats for the previous season? I'm pretty sure it's over.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.39.245.62 (talk) 21:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: Season numbering: Shouldn't the last season, which is currently listed as Season 3, be listed as Season 4?  There is already a Season 3 listed above it, as well as a Season 3.5.  It would seem that the next season should be Season 4, right?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.79.13.19 (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're referring to the DVD releases section, it's fairly clear that "season 3.0" and "season 3.5" refer to two separate half-season DVD sets released in the US and UK, while "season 3" refers to a whole season DVD set released in Australia. --AussieLegend (talk) 05:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season numbering