Talk:Khatanbaatar Magsarjav

message: This article could need some corrobation/citations from other sources. Some things that caught my eye were:
*that Magsarjav is supposed to have fought in Inner Mongolia in 1914. Other accounts say that all Mongolian troops were recalled at the end of 1913.
*Magsarjav's position prior to his deployment to Khovd. My impression is that Magsarjav's position came wih some responsibilities, I think Bawden even makes him the Mongol amban. So it seems strange that Magsarjav is supposed to have been essentially a farmer before. Actually, I would also like to see an independent citation for him being a farmer at all.
If someone knows the current official name for Shar süm, please add it into the article. Yaan (talk) 12:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Errata 

message: It's quite clear that he acted as prime minister under Ungern von Sternberg. A quick search on google books for 'magsarjav prime' brings up Twentieth Century Mongolia by Baabar, and the snippet shown confirms this. We can discuss whether that qualifies him as "Prime Minister of Mongolia" in the official list, but the information as such should go back into the article. --Latebird (talk) 16:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Mongolian that section seems to read (Nüüdel Suudal, UB 2006, vol.II, p.222) "Baruun zamyg tsagaantnaas chölöölöhöör mordson S. Hasbaatar, [etc] nar Baruun Mongold oron nutgiin  "Zasgiin garzryg" Dörvöd dalai han Tümendelgerjavaar tolgoiluulan bui bolgoson baina. Oiruudig huvsgalyn heregt tatan oroltsuulahyn tuld iim bie daasan tür zuuryn zasag heregtei baisan bololtoi. 1921 ony 7 dugaar saryn 21-nd Ungeriin sergeesen Zasgiin gazryn said Magsarjav Uliastaid genet hödlön hamt baisan tsagaan orosuudyg hyadan Ardyn zasgiin tald urvaj orloo. (emph. mine). Unfortunately I am not really sure what "Zasgiin gazryn said" means in this context, but I won't rule out it could be interpreted as just "minister in the government". Maybe a good question for some native speaker? Yaan (talk) 19:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The English version explicitly names him as prime minister: "Prime Minister Magsarjav or Ungern's government quietly decided to throw in his lot with the People's government..." --Latebird (talk) 21:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But the english version is just the translation, and it seems somewhat alone in making Magsarjav prime minister. I really think the Mongolian version would be more relevant here, provided we can find out what "zasgiin gazryn said" means. Yaan (talk) 14:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Also, I think the timeframe is incorrect in any case (plus it is unsourced): Baabar says earlier (p.215 in the Mongolian version) that Ungern's prime minister was some Manzshir hutagt Tserendorj, and that Magsarjav was "only" commander-in-chief. And it seems strange that a prime minister would be sent to Uliastai when the Bogd Khan and Ungern are based in Hüree. If anything, it would make sense that Magsarjav was prime minister after Hüree had fallen to the revolutionaries. That march 13th date is, I think, the date of the formation of the revolutionary provisional government (that's what apparently is supposed to make Chagdarjav Magsarjav's successor). I am afraid it might not be related to Magsarjav at all. Yaan (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Baabar's translator making such a fundamental mistake? Of course that's possible, but it would be really annoying... I'll see if I can ping some native speakers about it as well. --Latebird (talk) 21:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

text: What happened on March 13th? And how come Magsarjav is supposed to have been prime minister in July when he was already replaced in March? I still think something does not really add up. Yaan (talk) 12:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime minister