Talk:Texas Longhorn

message: Source on the end of the longhorn's commercial viability is here:
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/BB/aob1.html
Ben Brumfield
[[ Hello, I had a few comments on the sources used in the article. The introduction of the article speaks of the cattle's characteristic horns and I don't see how the reference has anything to do with that. Its a NatGeo article on sustainable beef. The fourth reference has no direct ling and when I tried looking it up i had a hard time validating the information. I believe its correct though and the title goes with what you're talking about in that section. Can you clear that up for me, just started and was wondering if a citation could be left like that. The references that showed both an ISBN number and PMID were great examples on how different things can be cited so thank you for that. All medical articles have a PMID? The last thing I wanted to mention was the last citation. I noticed that someone provided you with that citation but it still hasn't been put on the article, whats up with that, is it not a valid citation, It looks good to me.
Overall it was a great article with a neutral point of view and it was also a broad article. I wouldn't know what else to mention about the breed because it seems as if you put way more than what I could have researched myself,  but i'm sure there has to be a few other things that could broaden this up more.I believe that the information on this article is up to date but it's lacking credibility in some areas. In order to improve this article I suggest focusing on verifying the information and to add a few more topics on the Texas longhorn. C mena15 (talk) 18:57, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent job, Carlos! Alfgarciamora (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: Today Longhorns still have a practical breeding use.  They are in general smarter, and posses a better survival and motherly instinct than other breeds.  Here is Alberta pure bred Longhorns can have trouble in the winter due to their short hair however, I know of one which live near Lloydminster, Alberta that is about 20 years old and still calving successfully.  In my herd I have a large protion of Longhorn breeding (with a slection of other breeds).  Longhorn cattle are known for their habbit of disappering into the bush and comming back with a new calf.  They usually have no trouble calving.  Longhorn calves tend have a natural ability to find warm places quickly.  I myself have seen a longhorn calf stand within minutes of birth.  I am not alone in this and have found that this breed is used (at least in part) throughout herds all over north america. Kc4 21:43, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern day use 

message: This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of January 29, 2008, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?:  The article has a few problems when it comes to the prose and Manual of Style compliance. First off, a lead section is a concise overview of the article. It should not introduce topics (such as color) that are not covered in the body of the article. I will be trying to fix some of this myself. The Purpose section could also use some structural work, and should probably be renamed to Traits and characteristics or something similar.
:2. Factually accurate?:   This article is lacking when it comes to the necessary verification. There are entire sections without a single in-line citation, and there aren't enough secondary sources present. The facts in the article need to be properly attributed to reliable sources through in-line citations. The Ga criteria requires that an article: "at minimum, provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons"
:3. Broad in coverage?:  The is basically broad in scope, but it feels pretty thin in terms of the traits and history of the breed (especially its current status). I'll be trying to help expand some.
:4. Neutral point of view?:  Fair representation of all significant points of view.
:5. Article stability?  No edit wars.
:6. Images?:  The GA image criterion is that any images present have appropriate licenses, which is here met. I would however like to be able to try some of the new images I uploaded from Flickr, especially as the current lead image doesn't even show the entirety of an upright longhorn. The two I especially have in mind are :Image:Texas Longhorn Steer Rocksprings.jpg and :Image:Texas Longhorn cow.jpg. I'll try them out and please let me know what you think, but whatever image we decide on the article passes GA in this respect.
I'll try and help fix some of the things I brought up in the review myself during the hold period. The most important thing to focus on is citing what content is now present and uncited. The current amount of in-line citations is far from GA-class.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. VanTucky 04:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would definitely agree with what Narayanese has said above. Thanks for your helpful comments, VanTucky 02:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Indeed. The definition of a good lead is "concise overview". VanTucky 03:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should also be written for people who don't know much about longhorns, not for cattle ranchers deciding if they want to raise them or not. :-)  Steve Dufour (talk) 01:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination on hold

message: Two issues VanTucky only touched upon: 1) Some of the references are hard to tell where they are from because they don't use deep linking, and Premier Longhorns is not explained. 2) It uses 20+ year old books to describe the current situation, the article would need a more modern publication to complement the old ones for these bits.Narayanese (talk) 12:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would definitely agree with what Narayanese has said above. Thanks for your helpful comments, VanTucky 02:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Another comment

message: For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you!
*I think the introduction needs some work. More general infomation about why they are important and less details. Steve Dufour (talk) 01:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The definition of a good lead is "concise overview". VanTucky 03:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should also be written for people who don't know much about longhorns, not for cattle ranchers deciding if they want to raise them or not. :-)  Steve Dufour (talk) 01:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: These are longhorns.  How long are the horns?
Please, will someone tell us the average or longest length of horns using all length criteria given in the paragraph.  Also give a comparison to other cattle regarding size.  
Who organized the cattle drives?  And did the Ft Worth Stockyards handle many of these cattle.  And did the packing plants in Ft. Worth process these cattle.  At the termination of the cattle drive, where did the cattle go?  Were they shipped on the trains or used at the termination point?
How many cattle and cowboys in a traildrive?  What was the increase in monetary value of the cattle at the end of the drive?
If these cattle were brought here by Christopher Columbus, how many did he bring?  How was he able to bring these huge animals or did he bring calves? 
How many longhorns are there today compared to other breeds?  Why isn't the meat available at grocery stores?
What is the price of longhorns versus other cattle?  Are they still freerange or are the kept in feedlots?  Do they have the same gestation time as other cattle?  Is there usually only a single calf born?
What is a good book for the curious person regarding this breed? 71.164.184.34 (talk) 00:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traits and characteristics 

message: No mention of the Merril Lynch Bull?  It's a black longhorn living in texas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.99.84.127 (talk) 03:39, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merrill Lynch? 

message: the Book of Cowboys by Holling C. Holling is an old book which collects much information with not much indication where it comes from, but in this book is an account of the Texas Longhorn breed (with illustrations) which differs somewhat from this article. It says the TL were skinny, tough, fast, almost like a deer, and the ranchers imported eastern breeds to improve their herds; the result was a mixture. If this be true, then the original TL isn't around anymore - what people are collecting today as the original is only partly so. The photos of Longhorns in this article don't look like Holling's illustrations. I don't know how or whether this information should be incorporated into the article but I make a note of it here. Friendly Person (talk) 16:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Longhorn was skinnier, smaller, longer horns 

message: The history section jumps from the beginnings of the breed to the reasons for them being obsolete, with no explanation of their importance inbetween,.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.90.219.55 (talk) 04:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "History" section missing history?  

message: The way the "Purpose" section is laid out doesn't make a lot of sense.  It goes straight from a paragraph detailing the purpose and use of the breed, to a bulleted list of different horn measurements.  Doesn't this seem a little sloppy to anybody else?
CyanideSandwich (talk) 23:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purpose 

message: The article says, "'Shadow Jubilee' holds the record for the longest measured horns for any Texas Longhorn cow or bull in history at 88" tip to tip." The source for this is given as the website of the Dickinson Cattle Co. Inc. who bred the cow. There are two things wrong with this: 1) On their website it doesn't say she has a measurement of 88 inches, it says, three times, that her measurment is 86 1/8 inches. 2) This is not the record length for a Texas Longhorn. 
http://www.abc.net.au/rural/content/2011/s3386694.htm?site=northqld§ion=news
The link is to a report on Australia's ABC news website (complete with picture) of a Texas Longhorn steer called Johnny Reb with a spread measured by Guinness World Records as 2.77 metres, which is 109.055 inches, tip to tip. Cottonshirtτ 21:39, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record Reality 

message: I did a google images search for Alentejana and Mertolenga, the two breeds said to be close to the longhorn... they have short horns. Where'd the longhorn get its long horns? 71.190.78.67 (talk) 22:19, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where did they get those long horns? 

message: Did the Texas Longhorn ever mated with wild buffalos in the past? Komitsuki (talk) 17:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. - Bardbom (talk) 13:03, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  One question 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Texas Longhorn. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20050213204247/http://www.enn.com:80/today.html?id=463 to http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=463
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 03:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please be more specific. Please add link. What is the “Tower”? What tower? SaltySemanticSchmuck (talk) 07:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Bevo at the Tower” 

message: Include approximate weight at birth and full grown (male/female). Would like a brief discussion about what causes steers (castrated males) to have longer horns than the females—especially since females have longer horns than the males (bulls, not castrated). 2600:1700:530:8B70:A9D4:8A3C:C682:6540 (talk) 00:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size