Talk:Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961

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message: I found this: http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-64680823.html
It gives names of two of the hijackers, but the third only has his given name. I want to know his surname too.
So, does someone with a subscription to Highbeam work here? WhisperToMe (talk) 20:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there someone with a subscription to Highbeam research? I want to know the name of the third hijacker of Ethiopian 961

message: Did Ethiopian Airlines ever release a conclusive victim and survivor list of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961?
I have never seen one?
If the list has country info for each passenger that would be good. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Did Ethiopian Airlines ever release a conclusive victim and survivor list of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961?

message: Something needs to be done about the huge whitespace beneath Fate of the passengers and crew.
Maybe move the  to the bottom of the section? --Pyho T / C 01:10, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large whitespace 

message: According to Debka.com, the hijacking was aimed to kill 5 heads of Israeli Defence Industries (IWI), and an american secret agent named Leslie Shed, head of the CIA's Addis Abbeba station
See:
http://www.debka.com/article/21018/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.120.132.67 (talk) 14:42, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure whether it is appropriate to discuss the matter here. Further opinions will help.--Jetstreamer (talk) 17:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  On the face of it -- no. A hijacking by three idiots who thought the plane could make Australia. However, hidden beneath this obvious interpretation is a whole second secret layer of meaning -- no, and it's a very specious claim. While it does have a vague resemblance to al-Qaida attacks (idiots with a pretty poor understanding of reality killing a lot of people on the basis of massive ignorance), al-Qaida didn't declare war on America until 1997 IIRC. MartinSFSA (talk) 10:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

text: That source is not reliable. WhisperToMe (talk) 21:53, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hijacking planned by al-Qaida? 

message: The introduction appears to state that the plane was hijacked during the Addis-Nairobi leg of the multistage flight.  Why does it then subsequently claim that the hijackers took over the plane when it entered Ethiopian airspace ??   On a flight from Addis to Nairobi,   surely it would be leaving Ethiopian airspace.Eregli bob (talk) 01:50, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: .--Jetstreamer (talk) 02:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was entering Kenyan airspace when it was hijacked WhisperToMe (talk) 06:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where was this plane hijacked ? 

message: So, we have an image of the hijacked plane from several years before the crash - and we have images of the plane during its crash landing - so why is the top image for the article if a "similar" plane? Why not have the crash landing images there? Ego White Tray (talk) 03:30, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover image 

message: One thing that would greatly improve the article is a map showing (1). The maximum range of a fully fueled 767 from the point of departure. (2). The maximum range of a 767 as actually fueled from the point of departure.Graham1973 (talk) 06:59, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map Needed 

message: Uncited note of an appearence of the crash on an American TV show:
*...and also appeared in the documentary Out of the Wreckage - Plane Crash Survivors, which features crashes that were caught on camera and with survivors.
Placed here until a citeable reference for the fact can be found.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham1973 (talk • contribs) 
:I don't think this sentence adds very much to begin with - as far as I'm concerned, it could be left out entirely. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 14:01, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To the best of my knowledge, it was.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing that the A320 is classified as a narrow-body airliner rather than a widebody, hence why US Airways Flight 1549 isn't in that list, correct? The Legacy (talk) 04:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the A320 is a narrow-body aircraft. Which list are you referring to?--Jetstreamer Talk 10:13, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Material Lacking Citation

message: I've marked the "The hijackers said that there were eleven of them when in fact there were only three" claim as needing sources. This is not mentioned in  Maybe , which seems to be much more familiarised with the Mayday episode than me, can check whether this stuff is mentioned there. Thanks.--Jetstreamer  12:28, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, I'll use this reference to support the claim. Thank you!--Jetstreamer  12:40, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual number of hijackers 

message: I'd tend to agree with the merger, but only after Leul Abate is appropriately sourced. The crash article is much better sourced than the other one. For the time being I say no.--Jetstreamer  00:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the merge proposal of Leul Abate into this article 

message: Regarding , I explained my edit reasoning in my edit summary (), but can repeat it here. It removed two links to other useful articles, plus it is perfectly valid to use notes in articles. What's wrong with it? BTW, reverting is not a fun for me.--Jetstreamer  17:15, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that there has been no replies to my comment above. I'll be reverting the edit in question in a week or so unless otherwise specified.--Jetstreamer  00:01, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reversion 

message: *
--Jetstreamer  00:13, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archived references not used in the article 

message: This is in regards to the final accident report.
:http://www.fss.aero/accident-reports/dvdfiles/ET/1996-11-23-ET.pdf
::According to the seat map: The three cabin crew in the front died. In the back two cabin crew survived while the other two died.
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::The four "N" seats are 26D, 33F, 34D, 34E. The other survivors are "S" seats. The seats not having survivors are either unoccupied (Blank) or fatality seats (Marked with an "F").
::NOTES A: Ethiopian Airlines seems to have marked 22C, 22D, 25G, and 34E as unoccupied seats (blank) on the seat map, but the manifest says they were occupied by survivors
::NOTES B: Ethiopian Airlines seems to have marked 7F, 9C, 9E, and 10B as survivor seats (S) on the seat map, but I haven't found passengers in those seats on the manifest.
::*EXPLANATION for A and B: I understand why the discrepancy is in place. The passengers for 22C and 22D were Frank "Pancho" Huddle and his wife Chanya "Pom" Huddle. Huddle says he got a last minute upgrade to business class - So I think what happened was that the four seats were economy class passengers upgraded to business class at the last minute. In that case, please in case of a conflict between the passenger manifest and seat map, use the seat map
::Possibly the cabin crew may have occupied some of the other seats: the jet only shows seven cabin crew seats but there were nine cabin crew on the flight
::NOTE C: The manifest stated that the hijackers had occupied seats 25B, 31B, and 32C. AFAIK they were NOT in their seats when the plane crashed (at the time they were fighting the pilots and/or standing guard outside). But I don't think it was an error to show their seats as fatalities on the seat map.
::NOTE D: The map stated that 7D and 29E had fatalities but I did not see a 7D or a 29E in the passenger fatalities manifest
::NOTE E: The same seat is listed twice on the manifest for a fatality: 21E: Ahmed Ibrahim (Egypt) and 21E: CE Grace (Nigeria)
WhisperToMe (talk) 04:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the Huddle's stuff can be mentioned in a note. Separately, don't you think the seat map can be enlarged a bit?--Jetstreamer  10:36, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ET961 seat map and passenger manifest disparities and explanations 

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message: In the last sentence of the first paragraph, it says "The is the only (partially) successful water landing recorded of a wide-body aircraft." is "The is the only..." supposed to be "This is the only..."? Poopykibble (talk) 03:23, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like you're right. Be bold! If you don't fix it, I will. SchreiberBike | ⌨  04:17, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
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