Talk:Hide (musician)/Archive 1

message: I have been doing a little work on the Zilch article recently, so if anyone has any extra information or can just help me keep it tidy and orderly that would be dandy. But my point is that on the hide article Zilch is referred to as an "American Collaberation". I believe this to be wrong, as the group was formed by hide and was based in Japan through the groups entirety. Even though it was mainly populated with Americans, hide, I.N.A and later J were the leading members, based on this I have changed it. --JinecouO.N.E 16:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding Zilch

message: This article is slowly becoming more list then article.  I'm going to start a rewrite.  Post any ideas here.--The one who watches over hide's articles. 03:23, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rewrite

message: would you fellow hide fans consider details concerning this to be article worthy?
--The one who watches over hide's articles. 01:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: gravesite location

message: Can anybody confirm whether hide was born on December 13 or on December 19? It seems that sites with his biography name equally one date or the other.
By the way, some expansion of the article would be great, if anybody has the knowledge and free time and can do it. --xDCDx 12:52, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  hide's birth date 

message: Given that the term visual kei does hardly communicate any characteristics of an artist's/a band's music, I have changed the genre in the infobox to alternative rock for now. It encompasses the experimental angle, the occasional punk influences and the use of electronics found on Hide Your Face, Psyence and Ja, Zoo quite well. - Cyrus XIII 05:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Okay, so I just did quite a fearsome edit. Cleaned up a bunch of the english, changed facts to be more...factual...and seperated things into the sections they should've been in. 
Any Complaints? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.24.73 (talk • contribs) 00:02, 14 January 2007
:I'm afraid that the English wasn't improved (and a lot of stylistic errors were introduced); also, the additions weren't sourced. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 00:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Massive Edit

message: hide died in tokyo not in los angeles —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.57.23.2 (talk) 12:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  death place 

message: I've just added new info about hide, all the info comes from his official site (www.hide-city.com), the section is this one: http://www.hide-city.com/free/biography/1964-1986.html it's in japanese, you can check this: http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/web/ and translete the hide's page and you'll see that the info is true, I hope that it won'e removed so all the info comes from an official site. Take care. Darkcat21 16:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My own feeling is that most of the information is unnecessary (why should the reader care at what age he got his driving license, etc.?), but what do other editors think? --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 16:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you can check articles like Paul McCartney there's lot info like this and it's not removed, I don't know, but if it's true you must keep the info and it's not just "the drivers license" it's his life, and yes it looks like i'm only citing the sentence about the license, i was citing all the paragraph actually. Darkcat21 16:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New information about hide 

message: Uhm, so, the X Japan section just talks about X Japan, and makes almost no mention of hide. The article about his death that I threw up includes information about his popularity within X. I'm gonna change it, clean up as necessary. Vespertilio 05:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  X Japan 

message: I apologize for removing the surf guitar link without any explanation. I did this because, while it does say on the album jacket for Ja, Zoo that hide was playing Surf Guitar, a quick listen to any track on the album reveals that the guitar playing is anything but surf guitar (heavy distortion, songs that have nothing to do with surfing), not to mention that a quick look at the sheet music throws into question whether hide was playing much guitar at all anyway. I'd support that second statement with a source, but the site that had scans of the sheet music uploaded is down, apologies. Vespertilio 20:22, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case it sounds as though removing the reference to surf guitar rather than just the link would be the best thing to do. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 22:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess. I'm not really opposed to that, but if the artist says he's playing something, should we respect that, or does it fall under the same kind of jurisdiction as things like how he spelled his name? Vespertilio 01:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surf Guitar 

message: This article appears to be little more than a rehash of a particular passage of this one, along with three more entries for the discography and an unverified (?) logo. Furthermore, Saver/Saber Tiger would probably not be considered notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia without their most prominent member's later career. - Cyrus XIII 14:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If what's meant is to merge Saver Tiger with this article (rather than vice versa), then fine. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 16:02, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Saver Tiger article 

message: Should we change this to the hide infobox? Why is there a hide infobox anyway? There isn't so much for there to be information on him, but I noticed on the album pages that there is a hide infobox.Vespertilio 20:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, all articles on former X Japan members should probably have that template in place and since this one here already has a discography section, the second template would be redundant. - Cyrus XIII 20:49, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The second template is supposed to be for hide only. But given the meger handful of albums, it seems a little unnecessary anyway, does anyone have any reason why we should keep it around?Vespertilio 06:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does a good job at keeping the related articles (three albums, 13 singles, probably all the compilations in the future) together. I've seen unifying templates for fewer pages. - Cyrus XIII 06:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  X Japan info Box 

message: The inexpoicable insistence on re-adding "hide owned a shop in tokyo named 'LEMONed'" has to stop.  No only does it contain three errors of formatting, but it's unsourced, and almost completely uninformative (a sweet shop? a bicycle repair shop?).  If someone has a source for it, then fine (in that case, I'll correct the English). --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 09:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Mel Etitis on this one and I would also like to point out that an abundance of information provided in the article is currently unsourced, including the entire Trivia section (which in itself is somewhat less than ideal for a biographical article). - Cyrus XIII 12:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hide owned a shop, but the shop if i'm not wrong it's still open. http://www.hide-city.com/lemonedshop/shop.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.184.81.239 (talk) 13:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent persistent edit 

message: I can understand the need for a citation in the first sentence, and actually wouldn't mind terribly if it was deleted, but I'm not sure I follow the need for a citation on the rest. One with basic training in songwriting formats and a copy of the CDs can hear and identify what I've written Vespertilio 01:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's precisely the point; it's original research. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 09:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If I may raise an article with a similar presentation, I'd like to bring your attention to the Mozart article. The analysis of his style is orders of magnitude more complex and in-depth than mine, and lists absolutely no sources on the ideas presented. I have read over the Original Research page and see no mention of declaring facts. Varying use of structure and introductions that involve melodies are not "arguements", they are verifiable with a quick listen to any of his albums. If you really want, I can name a specific song and site the bandscores once again. Vespertilio 02:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriting 

message: Anybody have list of schools he attended, or know about Japanese [web] pages that would list it so?
Is this information really necessary? If he had attended college, I could understand putting the information up. But, do many people care that he attended high school, or rather, where he attended high school? The part about the brass band is interesting, and is liked to his success, but I still don't see a reason to name high schools.Vespertilio 17:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The information is verifiable and a genuine part of his biography; I'd have said that it was a lot less trivial than much of what appears in these fanzine-style articles (for example, I'd have removed that chunk of graveside maundering, myself). --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 09:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What does it matter what high school he went to? The biography article states "As opposed to a profile or curriculum vitae, a biography develops a complex analysis of personality, highlighting different aspects of it and including intimate details of experiences. A biography is more than a list of impersonal facts like birth, education, work, relationships and death. It also delves into the emotions of experiencing such events." A Person looking up hide on wikipedia does not gain a more complex picture of his character by reading what random high school in yokosuka he went to. The information on him joining the high school band is interesting and important, since it highlights early experience with music, the prime impact of his career and fame. The high school's name is only important if the high school is signifigant for some reason, and at the moment, there is no signifigance stated. Vespertilio 20:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't help me; it might help someone who knows Japanese schools.  Why delete genuine information?  A biography might be more than details of education, etc., but that doesn't mean that it should exclude details of education. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 23:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hide's education 

message: Should we follow the Manual of Style (Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Subsequent uses of names)??  Unless I'm missing something, we should normally use "Matsumoto" throughout the article when talking about the person, right?  That section of the MoS makes no provisions for stage names (which are mentioned above).  Neier 14:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure in how far a fully coherent approach (using either the surname or the stage name) is desirable, but using both for the time being certainly helped to diversify the article text a bit during my recent WP:BLP/formatting related changes. - Cyrus XIII 02:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case my reference to WP:BLP raises any eyebrows, I'd like to add that apart from the subject, most, if not all other people mentioned (and quoted) in the article are very much alive and that WP:V applies anyhow. - Cyrus XIII 04:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I put a question on the talk page, but, nothing has come of it.  I think that the status quo is to list the stage name (Madonna, Prince, etc); however, I still question if the status quo is the best thing for WP or not. Neier 12:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subsequent use of names