Talk:Overseas Chinese

message: There are more Chinese than article's stats, are these population index are up to date? Also where are these Chinese in Korea?--KSentry(talk) 12:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing overseas Chinese 

message: Does this article include non-Han ethnic groups. For instance, this includes Chinese nationals that are ethnic Koreans?
I think most 'overseas Chinese' and mainlanders, wouldn't include minorities if they immigrated abroad?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.29.12.193 (talk) 03:34, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Han minorities 

message: Some Chinese patriots consider Mongolians to be part of the Chinese nation. This is inspite that some Mongolian groups, such as Hazara in Afghanistan or Buryatians and Klamyks in Russia have never been goverend by a Chinese entity, however are Mongolians (and Tuvans) to be included in the lost diaspora?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.29.12.193 (talk) 03:36, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Mongolian peoples 

message: Some has twice removed the Northern Ireland flag template () from the infobox.  Re-inserted.  Please do not remove.  Qwerta369 (talk) 09:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You can (and should, instead of blindly reverting) use the page history function to see who it was. In this case, it was User:O Fenian, whose stated reason for removing it was that it's a historical flag no longer in use. I'd suggest contacting that editor directly at his talk page, since I'm guessing that, like myself, none of the other regular editors who watch this talk page and contribute content to the article have any informed (or even uninformed) opinion on the matter. cab (talk) 09:18, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi.  If User:O Fenian has a problem with the Northern Ireland flag template (), he should seek to "fix" the template itself or see Template Talk:Country_data_Northern_Ireland, rather than removing the template from articles.  I have sent him a message on his talk page. Qwerta369 (talk) 09:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has not had a flag for quite some time, see the history of the article. That is because Northern Ireland does not have a flag. See Flag of Northern Ireland. There is no need for me to "fix" any template, since it is still in use for some sporting contexts and it will cause an uproar. For further information on this see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons). If you object to the lack of a flag I recommend you contact the Northern Ireland Assembly and ask them to create a new one, since until there is a new flag one will not be appearing in this article. O Fenian (talk) 10:25, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  O Fenian.  Please see Template Talk:Country_data_Northern_Ireland.  The issue of whether this flag should remain or be changed has been discussed at length and the consensus is that it should remain.  If you do not agree, please seek a new consensus.  Since your issue appears to be with the flag contained within the Northern Ireland flagcountry template and not with the flagcountry template itself, I have reinserted this template.  All other countries in the infobox have their respective template.  Please do not revert.  You may also wish to read WP:POV.  Qwerta369 (talk) 10:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

text: No, I have explained why that is a red herring. See guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style (icons)#Overbroad use of flags with politicized connotations, Flag of Northern Ireland, Northern Ireland flags issue, <S>and even the British Prime minister's spokesman saying "The position in relation to Northern Ireland was that it did not have a national flag"</S> (striking due to currently dead link), and British government papers saying "The Ulster flag and the Cross of St. Patrick have no official status". Northern Ireland does not have a flag, the only breach of WP:POV is using that flag in this article. O Fenian (talk) 10:39, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  O Fenian.  I suggest that you discuss this on Template Talk:Country_data_Northern_Ireland if you are unhappy with the flag used in the Northern Ireland flagcountry template. Qwerta369 (talk) 10:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That template is irrelevant as to whether the flag can be used in this article, as I have explained. I have also explained what you need to do if you want Northern Ireland to have a flag, contact tbe Northern Ireland Assembly. O Fenian (talk) 10:45, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In particular you may wish to look at this edit (and the discussion it is in). A change to the template has been ruled out due to the sporting use, but an administrator says "If you think that the flag is inappropriate for that set of articles, just remove the  string from . You don't need to change anything else". Yet bizarrely you say no I need to change the template, instead of doing what he says. O Fenian (talk) 10:47, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

text: There is also WP:IRISH FLAGS. I have now provided links to two guidelines about not using the flag, provided two reliable sources saying Northern Ireland does not have a flag, and have also directed you to two Wikipedia articles about the flag and problems associated with it. I do not accept "you need to go the template talk page to amend it" as an argument any more, I am sorry. O Fenian (talk) 10:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Ireland Flag 

message: Hello, I have a new source claiming that there are 600,000 to 700,000 overseas Chinese people in France, whereas this article says 230,000. However this source is in French. Will you still take it into consideration? Thank you in advance for your reply.
Source : http://www.slate.fr/story/23827/chinois-de-france-ne-veut-rien-dire  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yakuzanodon (talk • contribs) 08:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most numbers that came from "News sites" are highly unreliable, as they tend to exaggerate things. An example of this would Angola in which a News article claims there are 100k Chinese there, yet the real number is well below 10k and most of them are temporary workers. A real reliable number would be either from France National Bureau of Statistics itself or to a lesser extend, the Chinese Oversea compatriots statistics.--LLTimes (talk) 18:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see but statistics based on ethnic origins are normally forbidden in France; the INSEE does not make any. These figures were estimated by Pierre Picquart, who is a specialist in China, in his book L'Empire chinois. This source has also been used by the very famous newspaper Le Figaro () and the magazine Réforme (). Even the article about Chinese people in France on the French wiki uses these figures. Yakuzanodon (talk) 07:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've justified what I stated but still, you won't reply. May I know why? Yakuzanodon (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in France 

message: The term "PRC is used in conflicting ways here. In the 1st paragrah, it's meant to include HK and Macau. Further down, it's used to mean Mainland China. 
I propose changing the top paragraph to be neutral. (I know there's a whole debate on using of "PRC" and "Mainland," but I think it's largely irrelevent here.)
The top is also clunky and wordy, and I propose changing it to this more concise version that just gets to the point of the definition of the term.
"Overseas Chinese are people of Chinese birth or descent who live outside Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan or other regions with a Chinese majority. People of partial Chinese ancestry may also consider themselves Overseas Chinese." Pumpkin888 (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine.  Either do that or use the term "Greater China Area", which means the same thing as what you've written.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:19, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of "PRC" 

message: Why are there pictures of people without any labels? I think those pictures are not notable to the article and should be removed.71.251.43.92 (talk) 06:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info Box 

message: Peru has been brought up before: 
These country numbers are based on the ROC commission figures and they look wrong.  Peru especially.  It's rare to see a Chinese immigrant in Peru.  The historical immigrants came in the 1800s so they became part of the melting pot.  There may be over a million people with Chinese ancestry in Peru but they in no way identify as Chinese like someone in the US or Malayasia so to group the Peruvian number with these other figures is misleading.  Panama I think is the same case.  I really wish to see the Peruvian number corrected because it inflates the count by over a million.
The Chinese in India article gives 20k.
Moneyboats (talk) 03:23, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peru, Panama, India 

message: I don't know how to do this but is is possible to add a country population column so we can easily check some of the percentage math?
Moneyboats (talk) 03:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible to add another column? 

message: This article goes to some lengths to talk about semi-recent racially motivated attacks against ethnic Chinese living in countries where they are a minority. It even briefly mentions the discrimination faced in North America. However it is probably just as note-worthy that one of the countries where Chinese now live as a large proportion (Australia) once had racially motivated government policy directed (predominantly) towards the Chinese. I might see if I can integrate this into the article myself at some point.--Senor Freebie (talk) 03:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Australia policy 

message: There is a state department cable from Angola that gives the base number of Chinese in Angola:
"The Chinese presence looms large in Angola. 
Although exact numbers are elusive, a minimum of 50,000 Chinese are 
in the country; most other estimates are markedly higher."
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10LUANDA84.html#
This is a second source that supports the first source from the WSJ.  So I remove the dubious tag.
Novacidadedekilamba (talk) 19:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in Angola - Wikileaks 

message: I have reverted the edit of 6,000 to 20,000 thousand ethnic Chinese in Ghana, which doesn't sit well. There is no reason why there can't be 750,000 ethnic Chinese inhabiting Ghana. After all  Ghana is the 5th most peaceful country in Africa and has the biggest economy out of the 4 African countries ranked before Ghana on the 2012 Global Peace Index. For this reason, any investors from Asia, Europe, North America, Central America, South America, Carribean, Middle East (i.e.  Arab Gulf states), and Oceania mostly choose Ghana as their place to work, to do business and for foreign direct investment on the African continent. The source introduced by Novacidadedekilamba who just recently joined Wikipedia (Welcome to Wikipedia by the way) is not a study coming from Ghana (i.e. a reliable and well respected Independent Ghanaian national daily newspaper), and as the source provided by Novacidadedekilamba is not solely focused on Ghana, while the source from ModernGhana (a Independent Ghanaian national daily newspaper) which is a well respected and reliable news source of solely Ghanaian news in Ghana and its news information and studies are solely focused on Ghana. MarkMysoe (talk) 09:02, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Academic sources are still better than news outlets. Your Ghanaian source is dubious at best since it's a bit extreme to suggest that a mere 10,000 - 20,000 in 2010 went up to 750,000 (perhaps the number is on Chinese tourist, misinterpreted?). Ghanian census would be better if you have one.--LLTimes (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese in Ghana

message: I think one of the factor that contribute to the Chinese diaspora is inclusive of Chinese Civil War.
the Communist Party China and Kuomintang when the nationalist lost the war in 1949 many Chinese to South East Asia, traveling by boats and ships, this explain why the Chinese made up 75% of Singapore today, and 25% of Malaysia's Population. 
Malaysia gain independence in the year 1957 and 1963 East Malaysia and Singapore. 
And later 1965 Singapore was separated from Malaysia. 
refer to Chinese Civil war article and i need some help on improving this article based on the Chinese civil war.
Captain2123 (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Civil War 

message: The categories don't match up when the chart is sorted. (96.24.118.128 (talk) 21:09, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Chart doesn't work 

message: I doubt many Chinese and otherwise would consider, say a Tibetan or Uyghur person of the PRC who has migrated (not fled) to another a country a Huaren or overseas Chinese? Say that Tibetan went to the States, she or he would be considered Tibetan-American, not Chinese-American?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.43.217.70 (talk) 04:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of Huaren

message: This number is tagged as dubious and I agree.  There's nothing else on the Internet supporting the wide estimate provided by the newspaper article. 
Agreement to remove it?  Thorougpod (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in Egypt 

message: Why is the figure used is taken from data assembled by Taiwanese state agency while more relevant estimations exist, like the one mentioned in this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_people_in_Russia#CITEREFZayonchkovskaya2004 article? 46.216.109.175 (talk) 02:07, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in Russia 

message: The number of Chinese population in Indonesia : https://www.facebook.com/notes/yayi-haidar-aqua/setelah-hegemoni-ekonomi-kini-saatnya-etnis-cina-berkuasa-penuh-di-ri/10152174951296126  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.193.7.81 (talk) 02:57, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in Indonesia  

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message: The figure for Chinese in India is off given that Refugees in India, gives a figure of 150,000 Tibetan refugees in India. This is a likely source of contention by nationalist on both sides, i.e. "we are Tibetans, not Chinese" and "they are not Han, so are not Chinese". Does someone bolder and braver than me want to wade into this.--KTo288 (talk) 07:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese in India 

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thread_title:  User Km151kk edit warring and vandalising the page 

message: A user, Km151kk is repeatedly edit warring and vandalising the Overseas Chinese article by changing the population figure for Australia. The population figures in the Overseas Chinese article relate to the population of a country with Chinese ancestry (ie, ethnicity), not, the population which was born in the People's Republic of China.
You are continuously changing the figure for Australia to the PRC-born population.
Please see the 2016 Australian Bureau of Statistics official census source as cited on the article:
1) https://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/036
Scroll down to the heading 'People — cultural & language diversity' and then look at the first subheading under that section - 'Ancestry'.
Ancestry, top responses	Australia
English	7,852,224	
Australian	7,298,243	
Irish	2,388,058	
Scottish	2,023,470	
Chinese	1,213,903	3.9
Every couple of days, the user attempts to change the figure to the population in Australia which was born in China.
These continuous edits constitute vandalism of the article, which relates to the Chinese diaspora in each country (ie the population in each country with Chinese ancestry). The figure used for each country is that of the population of that country with Chinese ancestry, not the figure for the Chinese-born population of each country.
To be clear, this conduct should stop right away to avoid a banning or semi-protected status to the article to prevent edit-warring.--StormcrowMithrandir (talk) 11:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: (1) Vandalising of Australia figure

message: User Km151kk is now moving the article from Overseas Chinese to Overseas Han Chinese repeatedly (every day) when the article refers to persons of all Chinese ethnicities outside China. Various users are having to repeatedly move the article back to Overseas Chinese. This is extreme edit warring and vandalism of the article. A look at the user's contributions page reveals that the user continuously vandalises the Overseas Chinese article (numerous edits which are all reverted) and does not edit any other wiki pages.
User Km151kk needs to be banned in order to stop this repeated severe vandalism of this article.StormcrowMithrandir (talk) 22:47, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: (2) Repeated Undiscussed moves of article to Overseas Han Chinese

message: Where in the final communiqué of the Bandung Conference does it say that “overseas Chinese owed primary loyalty to their home nation, rather than to China”? I can only find “Zhou  Enlai announced at  the Bandung Conference in 1955 that  the Chinese government would offer a nationality agreement similar to that of Indonesia to any country with which China had diplomatic relations”  – Kaihsu (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bandung Conference 

message: Editors will have noted the recent edit warring by user MrStephenLeon.
This user continues to attempt to add figures to the infobox population table without citations. In particular, the user has now on more than 15 occasions attempted to insert a figure for the number of Mexicans of Chinese ancestry that is many times more than can be supported in any source, and has not even included a citation.
Worse than this, on the page Chinese immigration to Mexico, the user has made a claim that there are 1.9 or 2.3 million Mexicans of Chinese ancestry (when the only source cited on that page that gives a figure says 70,000) and has included citations which when opened, do NOT give a figure for the population of Mexicans of Chinese ancestry - the user included the citations on that page purely to mislead in circumstances where they have no relation or support to the number claimed.
It goes without saying that unsourced figures will be deleted as they are against Wikipedia policy. Furthermore, in light of the above conduct, any attempts by the user MrStephenLeon to add statistical figures to this page will be scrutinised very carefully.StormcrowMithrandir 00:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by user MrStephenLeon 

message: in the section titled "Waves of emigration in late Qing Dynasty" why does this article randomly start talking about height variation, it doesn't seem relevant. Badpagenoticer (talk) 23:42, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  unnecessary paragraph  

message: I wonder whether the values in the Figure with caption "Share of economy and population held by Chinese people" are reliable. The linked source in the Wikimedia Commons page is nothing like a peer-reviewed scientific article nor official statistics, it's a Powerpoint presentation that does not cite any sources. Otrebor81 (talk) 16:55, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Bamboo Network