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message: Eh, this is bull crap. This is just about countries that doesn't have any state religion. --212.247.27.121 15:53, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

message: Most of Australia could be considered un-secular thanks to the Government offering schools $20k to allow local religious volunteers, under the Australian Government's School Chaplaincy Program, to come in once a week and "show the way of Jesus". My personal opinion: What a joke to claim Secularity! This should be given as a warning to potential immigrants but it is a secret to the outside world, now I'm bloody stuck with it. 115.70.168.139 (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia! 

message: Well according to the main topic of religion in the country Islam in Tunisia, it states: "The Constitution declares that Islam is the official state religion and stipulates that the President must be a muslim." It shows it is not a secular country according to your map. Moshin 17:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tunisia, secular?

message: I wonder why this article wasn't included Laos. Remember Laos is a Communist state!
Angelo De La Paz (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Laos? 

message: Where in the "source" says that Argentina is a Religion State? Where does it even mention Argentina? Which religion do they have there? -- Loukinho (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina 

message: How can anyone seriously create a map like this and put that the UK is 'ambiguous or no data'! Of any Western State England is clearly one with a State Religion with the Head of State the Head of the Church of England. I suggest that the whole article be removed to allow someone with a bit of knowledge to write a new one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.188.25.39 (talk) 22:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's wrong. There is no established church in Scotland, for instance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.76.221 (talk) 05:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

text: Frankly I think they should at the very least, highlight England. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: It seems like this map is mostly WP:OR with not much fact to back up the claims. Many errors are listed above, I'll add the case of Finland that is blue here although it should be in red. I'll remove this map from articles untill the creator has fixed it or at least cared to adress all the concerns raised here. JdeJ (talk) 10:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full of errors 

message: Does this really need to be said? While Israel does guarantee freedom of religion for citizens, it is in its very conception a state whose established religion is Judaism. A Jewish and democratic state is still, undeniably, a Jewish state. A secular nation could not have such an office as the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, nor could it have a "Law of Return" delimited by religious identity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.49.43.222 (talk) 01:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue was never addressed. I think it would be more appropriate for Israel to be grey, since there's some ambiguity on its position on state religion.Hihellowhatsup (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's been discussed quite extensively, including with multiple topic sections on this page as well as others... I don't know what your talking about with "never addressed". And to the post above, I would note that Israeli law considers an atheist whose mother was considered a Jew to be Jewish, meaning there's clearly a non-religious (and instead, ethnic) basis for inclusion here.--Yalens (talk) 03:26, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel 

message: Why is the US considered a secular country? They swear to god in court and on the money it clearly says "In God we trust". Is that really secular? Where did this info come from? Who rated it? Evalowyn (talk) 18:44, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's labelled that because of the first amendment of the Bill of Rights "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Religious people are allowed to vote with core values influenced by God, but no denomination can ever be declared the mandatory national religion like King Henry VIII did in England. There probably should be different shades of red. ThePepel-Eterni (talk) 23:57, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The US

message: German taxpayers pay 10billion € every year to church.--91.15.57.22 (talk) 15:31, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Germany is actually more under the category "ambiguous". --Datu Dong (talk) 13:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany 

message: Bangladesh is not a secular state - Islam is the official religion of Bangladesh, as stated in the Constitution of Bangladesh. See: Article 2A (inserted by the Constitution Eighth Amendment Act, 1988).
Here is a news article  from The Daily Star, the largest circulating English daily newspaper in Bangladesh. 117.204.91.81 (talk) 17:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  remove Bangladesh 

message: Britain is not really secular.  The political royalty are the head of their church. ThePepel-Eterni (talk) 23:47, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Only England has a state religion. Scotland, Wales, and N.Ireland are all officially secular. Burbridge92 (talk) 09:52, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Your use of the word 'officially' is really funny. It's funny because the House of Lords (their upper house of government) requires the attendance of Bishops from the Church of England. The only real distinction between a King (or Queen) and a dictator is that the King (or Queen) has been religiously appointed their position. If you are trying to make the claim that the UK is not secular, then go ahead and change their control into a dictatorship. You can't play both sides and try to slide through the middle. STEVENJ0HNS 1 (talk) 18:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britain and the Church of England 

message: Norway became a secular country recently, the map must be corrected.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eisenbahnmorser (talk • contribs) 12:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norway 

message: Thailand does NOT have a state religion as indicated in the map. The only article in the Constitution which comes close is: "Article 9: The King is a Buddhist and Upholder of Religions", and "Section 79. The State shall patronise and protect Buddhism as the religion observed by most Thais for a long period of time and other religions, promote good understanding and harmony among followers of all religions as well as encourage the application of religious principles to create virtue and develop the quality of life."
The debate was had on whether to specify Buddhism as the state religion, but that notion was rejected. 
198.103.104.11 (talk) 23:09, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, there is no reference for any state religion, though some monks tried to change this in 2007 and were thwarted ([]  ). It should be changed to either gray or blue. --Yalens (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The only source I could find that describes it as having an official religion (Buddhism) is a tourism site, which isn't exactly an authoritative source. --Yalens (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thailand 

message: I just logged in, and I am doubting that the map is accurate.  I appreciate the user who put this together, but I worry that it was haphazardly researched.  I was particularly surprised by Europe, as I know that there *were* established Churches in Scandinavia.  After a bit of research, I found that Sweden and Norway only RECENTLY got rid of their Separation of Church and State.  Norway did this only in May 2012.  So those are accurate, at least.
Another problem: the idea that there is "no data" for the United Kingdom.  England has an established Church that is the state Church; citizens of the UK are not obliged to join, however.  If the other non-English parts of the UK (Scotland, Wales, etc.) are not part of this arrangement), then we should color them differently as we do in, i.e., states of the United States and Mexico in the Same Sex Marriage article.
I disagree with the person who thinks that the US is not a secular state; I'm not doubting that most of the countries are accurate, but, in particular, there are many shades of grey.  I am going to take the picture down until we decide a better way to color the map.  Perhaps the year that the state decided to separate itself from the Church?  Would that be better? --cpsteiner 19:25 UTC 5 Mar 2013  —Preceding undated comment added 19:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map is Problematic, at the Very Least