Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 14

message: :"In addition, in 2005 Sony purchased SN Systems, a former provider of Microsoft Windows-based development tools for a variety of console platforms; including PlayStation 2, GameCube, PSP and Nintendo DS to create additional GNU development tools."
Can anyone find a source for SN developing GNU toolkits. This is important because it suggests the sdk/compiler will be release to the public. Clarification would also be appreciated. I googled it and couldn't find any good results. It doesn't seems too far fetched as the whole standardization of the PS3 suggests that sony is looking at a much more open development policy. Thanks. Kelden 22:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SN Systems to develop GNU toolkit? 

message: Very early in the article we read about businessmen and Chinese nationals with no evidence stated. You might want to consider removing it anyway as it isn't particularly professional. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beugnen (talk • contribs) 15:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please reduce gossip and conspiracy theories 

message: Is there any information about when the silver and chrome PS3 will be out?  And did the 100,000 units in Japan all come in black as well? FyiFoff FyiFoff 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 colors

message: i read on the internet that the ps3 consumes 380 watts.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=356 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) .
:yes, it does. --Dreaded Walrus 01:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: under load. --24.7.86.143 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No that's just the PSU, not necessarily how much the hardware draws even at maximum load. The XBox 360 PSU says 5 amps at a max of 127V meaning it could draw over 600 watts, but the 360 reportedly only uses 160 watts. Therefore you cannot look at the 3 amps at a max of 127V on the PS3 to determine how much power the device consumes even at peak. And besides the voltage range is from 100-127V. So in Japan that equates to 300 (3A*100V) watts max. All you can say is the hardware may draw up to 300 watts but in reality it's bound to be anywhere between 100 & 200W and that's when it is running full tilt. Wait for someone to measure the power draw and cite the reference because that is the only way you will know what the thing consumes. --MagicMoose 13:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you take the Xbox 360's 500W (100V×5A=500W) divided by its actual consumption of 160W and assume the same maximum-realistic ratio for the PS3's maximum of 300W (100V×3A=300W), you get just 96W actual consumption for the PS3 (300÷3.125=96). Of course, assuming the same maximum-realistic ratio as the 360 isn't very accurate, but it's the closest estimate available at the moment. –Wulf 21:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just absurd.  Using that method is no more accurate than picking a random number between zero and 300.  You cannot make the assumption that Sony will use the same "ratio" as Microsoft.  Until it is actually measured, the best you can say (to quote from before) is "the hardware may draw up to 300 watts" and nothing more. Andrew 03:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If an exact wattage must be estimated, that seems to be the only way. However, I agree, it is most likely very inaccurate. I'm just giving a rough estimate, which suggests the PS3 will be towards the low end of the 0-300W range, at around 100W (which sounds about right irrelevant of my math). I never represented it as anything other than a rough estimate, so I'm not sure exactly why you jumped at me like that. –Wulf 05:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  watts 

message: What are the most important things about a console?
It's hardware, it's software, etc
According to this article it seems like the most important things to a console are its hardware, software the company known as eBay and muggings.
The fact that many people were aware of the economics behind supply and demand and selling something for a loss and that a ton of consoles were put on eBay is a description on the launch, which is a topic actually important to the console. Same with violence on launch. It's a property of the launch, not the most important aspect of the PS3. Also the company is eBay not Ebay. Esper256 17:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many main headings 

message: Have read several requests above for a self-taken photo of it.. Easier said than done.. This console is so reflective of all its surroundings.. Placed it on a blue towel alone with no cords or such. Free for use.. I still have the originals if anyone is interested. These are cropped down for size reasons.
Pictures can be seen here:
Picture 1
Picture 2
Picture 3  Cjpluta 05:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and don't crop them so much.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.36.82 (talk • contribs) .
You should provide full resolution photos, Wikipedia can generate smaller thumbnails of your pictures without modifying the file. --Jack Zhang 02:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: How does that help us? The point to having a Wikipedian provide a self-taken photo is based on the assumption that they would offer it with a license that is at least as permissive as a GFDL. We can't use promotional images anymore, because that would violate fair use criterium #1. Dancter 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, why do you put signatures at the beginning and end of your comments? It makes them less readable. Dancter 16:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-Taken Photos

message: Someone has just compiled QEMU to run Windows XP on Playstation 3. Indeed, the video released on Google Video shows how fast this emulator can emulate the x86 architecture somehow fast enough to run  the japanese version of Windows XP. However, it´s seems that using QMEU to run Windows programs on a Playstation 3 can´t be more heavy than old or simple games, or using software like Microsoft Office.85.240.135.51 19:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a link? Ceros 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not really exciting enough to add to the article though. It's a Linux app, running completely as expected (on Linux). Mac users have been running Windows in emulation for years. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: What are you ranting about? The PS3 is a piece of shit because Vista is designed for x86 processors and it uses a PPC-based one? Of course XP runs slowly; it's emulating the CPU. Just use Linux, chill out, etc. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 03:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  lol, yeah. I don't know why you would want to use Microsoft Vista (ick). The PlayStation 3 alleviates Linux's typical weakness - not many games. --gatoatigrado 04:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you're still having to boot Linux separately, so it's not really any different in that regard from dual-booting Windows and Linux. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 04:46, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  True, except the boot time to the game is probably less. yeah, uh, you don't need to link dual booting. --gatoatigrado 10:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Please explain the significance and relevance of hacks and mods for an encly' article for an original retail product?  Please remove this section, it does not belong Beugnen 15:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running Windows XP on Playstation 3 

message: Suggestion: ADd to the article that the HDMI output of the PS3 is only capable with HDCP-enabled TVs and monitors. I tried using an HDMI to DVI cable to connect to my computer monitor; I found out later my monitor wasn't HDCP-enabled. An important fact to note, I believe. SpikeX2 07:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should only apply to HDCP content, like Blu-Ray, surely? They've not gone and applied it to games as well have they? Sockatume 16:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I haven't seen anything indicating that the PS3 is HDCP compliant (or that it is not).  Furthermore, in my opinion, it would seem that since the PS3 is capable of running other operating systems (i.e. Linux with a HD video ripping program?) it may not be eligible for HDCP, per the standard's strict guidelines.  The games, surely, would have no need to make use of HDCP because Digital Rights Management is not an issue for the video/audio output of a game (the game itself, maybe, but not simply the video/audio that HDCP protects)  A definitive, reliable source would be helpful. Andrew 04:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with this suggestion, because SpikeX2 is right. I was loading up the demo for NBA 07 (downloadable from the PlayStation Store) and the start screen displayed a "Full HD 1080p" tagline under the logo. The fine print below said that 1080p output was only possible over HDMI with an HDCP-enabled display — this obviously means that the PS3 is HDCP-capable. —BrOnXbOmBr21 06:55, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: For TVs, this is really a non-issue as virtually all HDMI-equipped TVs have HDCP support. However, I've added that monitors have to be HDCP compliant, as I think it's a pretty serious issue - in the UK you can get DVI-equipped monitors for about £120, but the cheapest monitors with DVI and HDCP tend to run at well over £200. --DaveJB 12:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDCP 

message: I think it should be noted that no games currently released, and none currently in production, will play in 1080p.  So far the only 1080p is a tech demo of Gran Turismo HD and I think one or two more tech demos...  It is said that they cannot get a good framerate at that resolution.  With PS3 boasting 1080p it should be noted that only blu-ray movies will play in 1080p, not games.  Thesaddestday 04:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are indeed 1080p games out there, anyone that think otherwise has been spending too much time in the Xbox forums, and actually believes Microsoft spin.  Blast Factor is 1080p, NBA '07 is also in 1080p.  Granted not many (3 or 4), but to say there are no 1080p games is false.. --195.75.83.25 09:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thus far!  XBox 360's games didn't start out at top quality either.  (I believe "Gears of War" is the first game to really push the 360's graphics).  Andrew 04:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to ps3.ign.com/articles/747/747413p1.html, Roughly half of the PlayStation 3's launch software doesn't support the 1080p resolution that Sony has been so highly touting; In other words, half the launch titles support it. So, your statement can't be included in the article unless you find an article as new as this one (2006-11-22) stating none of the games can be played at 1080p. -- ReyBrujo 04:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops ReyBrujo you are right.  I inverted a date of an article so my mistake...  also, IG, you're actually wrong.  Yes it's true a vast majority of 1080p sets out can't accept 1080p over HDMI, but there are products out that can.  The new JVC 1080p sets and I believe the new Sony SXRD sets can accept 1080p over HDMI.  Thesaddestday 10:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: About 6 months ago I bought a Samsung LN-S4051D 40" LCD HDTV.  At that link, you'll see the TV should accept 1080 (interlaced and progressive) signals on each of the 2 HDMI inputs.  I've never ran this TV in either 1080 mode yet for lack of a high-def source but the site clearly says to me I can expect to run 1080p through HDMI if I had a PS3 right now.  From what you've said, I've come to two conclusions: either your friend is wrong or the manufacturer, Samsung is misrepresenting this product.  I'm tending to think this product is on the level and your argument is incorrect.  Do you have any support to prove your position besides second-handle knowledge or heresay? LighthouseJ 01:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Err, from what I've seen several TVs don't support 1080p through component. I have yet to see a 1080p TV that works through component but not HDMI. Regardless, AFAIK the PS3 supports both varieties of cables, so what does it matter? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all TV's with HDMI can accept 1080p signals through HDMI, that is why there are a lot of HDTV's that need to use component or VGA for 1080p.  It has to do with the version of HDMI, and with the latest updates in the technology HDMI is turning into the main connection for 1080p...  As far as other connections, analog for 1080p works but isn't as impressive as digital.  Thesaddestday 05:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No 1080p games 

message: Hi, i have a question
Do you think that a HD Loader will be launched for the PS3?
Of coufse, i´m aware that we would need a higher capacity hard disk (maybe 1TB, just like the ones that Dell is using), do you think it would be possible?
:Please post questions not directly related to the article to Wikipedia:Reference Desk, in whatever section is relevant. To the question: everything is cracked eventually.  -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's related enough to be posted here. Is that supposed to be a blu ray ripping thing, or a hard drive based boot loader? As to the 1 terabyte question, I presume you can simply add a USB hub and as many hard drives as you want. You could cat them in jbod raid or something like that. regular raid with only usb probably wouldn't work though. You can also buy 1tb esata hardware concatenated drives , although it would have to be outside the system connected to an empty drive bay with a sata cable. --gatoatigrado 10:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HD Loader for PS3 

message: I am a bit uncomfortable with the order of country in the pricing box. Japanese is number one, that is fine, but why United Kingdom is number 2. We should sort it out according to the release date.--w_tanoto 22:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: does it matter? I guess that seems logical. --gatoatigrado 22:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Let me guess, you're a Yank? Sorry this is not a DVD region. Beugnen 15:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  order of pricing 

message: Apparently, there is an issue where the 1080i output is broken. Apparently, if the PS3 detects the TV is not capable of a 720p output downrezzes to a 480p output, disregarding 1080i functionality. Here's a link: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/15/720p-ps3-games-downscale-on-older-hd-sets/ . Sony has acknowledged the issue and originally said they are working on a firmware patch. They have since retracted this statement: http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10807/ Should this be added in? --Tomwchow 00:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: already discussed above, I think. it's unlikely a 1080i television would be incapable of a 720p input. It can be added in, if it hasn't changed. I haven't been around lately so they might have patched it in 1.11. --gatoatigrado 20:45, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: okay, I will add it, but I don't know about mentioning the cannot be patched thing. I don't think it's accurate to say this problem technically cannot be fixed with a firmware update, as I don't see any evidence for that. The second link says that they are looking into the situation, so they could possibly fix it, or could possibly not. do you think it would be fine to simply say, "The PlayStation 3 downscales 720p content to 480p on television sets which only support the 1080i high definition resolution"? Should this be in "games" or "hardware"? Are blu-ray movies affected as well? Should this be "currently, ..."? --gatoatigrado 18:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, that seems fair since we really don't know the outcome yet. --Tomwchow 18:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1080i output issues 

message: A recent study by the Folding@Home distributed computing project is harnessing the power of the Cell processor found in the PS3 to study protein folding.
More info can be found here.
72.201.34.105 08:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has already been discussed, and the curing aspect is an overoptimistic view. Please see the archive, which was on the page when you posted. Then again, there were 86 sections so I'm not surprised you didn't see it. --gatoatigrado 20:49, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 used by scientists and helpful gamers to cure Alzheimer's! 

message: hopefully my recent edits aren't too controversial. I think the article would look nicer with some pictures for some of the system software things. I would like to have a peer review of it sometime. Thanks. --gatoatigrado 22:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah the article is nice at this point. One thing I noted in the shop it's everything ressembles PSP: the save system XMB as middleware, the game previews when disc is inserted (background + mini video), the icons on the save management. Looks like a big PSP, even the webbrowser. --Ragnarok Addict 22:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  um, a psp with the linux functionality, blu ray drive, and more processor capability minus the portability aspect. in other words I don't know what your point is...I guess the media bar and network are similar. --gatoatigrado 01:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This article should be included on the backwards compatibility category for obvious reasons.  Best, --164.107.92.120 16:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  right, Category:Backward compatible video game consoles added. --gatoatigrado 18:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The article as it looks right now is very good in my opinion. I think the aspects of the article that were more akin to a news site than an article have been removed, the sections are only the prominent ones and the information feels unbiased. Hats off to Gatoatigrado. Esper256 20:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  okay, thanks. err...wasn't only me, in fact most of what i do is just organization. --gatoatigrado 07:11, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you peer review the article, please put comments here. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 18:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  article status 

message: : If you peer review the article, please put comments here. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 18:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  peer review 

message: Very interesting article at Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=az3neI1eJui8 They need to sell 500,000 copies of every released game to make money of the title. And since they give an approximate amount of money the graphics cost, and compare it with Wii, it should be interesting to add to the article. -- ReyBrujo 18:05, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we could add it to the Wii article. Or my preference: add it to one of the history of videogaming articles. Sockatume 18:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah the history of video gaming seems more appropriate. There are many references to the high production cost, etc. I think there was a gametrailers conference and they said some games had a US$4e7 budget; 500 000 titles implies a US$3e7 budget. --gatoatigrado 18:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It both amazes and terrifies me that we're now using scientific notation for game budgets. Sockatume 18:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand. Why would that be relevant to the wii? PS3 games are significantly more expensive to produce than wii games, aren't they? Just as PSP games are more expensive to create than DS games? (Not saying it's noteworthy for the PS3 article, mind you; just asking) Bladestorm 18:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Namco needs to sell 500,000 copies to make profit

message: The prices in dollars are wrong for at least the euro and the pound. if it's $425 in the UK then that should be nearly $850, not $680. Plus the euro price is given as $660, when I figure it should be almost $800. My laptop is out of battery though, so I can't fix it  :-) 81.179.173.146 22:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please comment in Talk:PlayStation_3#US.24.3F. I removed the VAT taxes, and another user adjusted some of my mistakes. Please point out where the current metrics fall short. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 04:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricing 

message: where is the sectiont that describes the massive returns of this system due to major system faluire, P.S. someone vandilized this article.
its true i sent mine in--Serge222 16:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no known massive returns. sorry. you need to provide a link. --gatoatigrado 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: where is an article

message: PS3 is now beeing sold in Brazil, it come bundled with a game, only the basic version is available and for the small price of 4.000 dollars... wich equals to 8.000 reais...
http://www.americanas.com.br/prod/576944/Catalogo
:but this is not from an official launch, right? You can't add it if it's not official price from sony. Further info: Indonesian stores sell it (Japanese 60GB) for IDR 10000000 (<£600), but because these are not official, then I can't add it.BTW, please sign your post
http://www.videogamesindonesia.com/forum/main.html
--w_tanoto 22:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Price 

message: Maybe a list of the weasely bits would be useful for editors.
.83.100.253.51 14:44, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: weasel words

message: Ratchet & Clank PS3  
MotorStorm  
Army of Two  
Monster Hunter 3
Soul Calibur IV
I'm just asking ?
: Please do not add anything to the list. Please covert the list to prose. It will be deleted as soon as the prose is complete. --gatoatigrado 18:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we add these game to the Other Majoir title list

message: List of PlayStation downloadable games --AlexOvShaolin 22:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: please use the second parameter in the main template. thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.169.210 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Downloadable games list added 

message: Can we add information that Firmware 1.30 has been released http://jp.playstation.com--w_tanoto 00:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best place to put it is in the infobox. Have a row for the latest firmware version and update it whenever a new one comes out, kind of like how the latest release of some software is updated. Wine is a good example. Ceros 05:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  good idea. there should be a short mention in default interface as to what the firmware has added. however most of it is minor bug fixes which don't need to be mentioned. the 1080i tv issue should be mentioned when / if they fix it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.198.169.210 (talk) 06:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Firmware 13.32 is out now. Mbslrm 02:33, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firmware 1.30 

message: Why hasn't anyone responded to the peer review request? Once an article like this reaches a certain stability, it is important to have a discussion about what aspects could still be improved, which is what the peer review is for. So, please provide your input. jaco♫plane 19:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, people have provided their input, on the Requests For Peer Review page. Sockatume 19:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I did, and an automated peer review bot, but nobody else... jaco♫plane 19:38, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a look.. Left my comments above, how about leaving a message on the Wii and XBox 360 pages and on the Reference desk science, language etc pages. Getting someone else to check the quality of writing etc would be a good idea.87.102.37.17 09:54, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Uh, yeah, actually an anonymous user gave a lot of feedback (see weasel words section above). so...don't discredit if you don't read this talk page... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gatoatigrado (talk • contribs) 01:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review 

message: This PlayStation 3 is able to have games up to 200GB, that's almost triple the amount of data that my hard drive can store. I wonder if any games for it are that big...71.34.243.96 00:37, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there WERE games that big, they'd have to be four BD-ROMs long.  That's just ridiculously huge. VelvetKevorkian 03:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hard drive

message: * Why not Ninja Gaiden Sigma in action/adventure?
* GT HD was not cancelled, just post as free downloadable game as prologue and available soon. --Ragnarok Addict 11:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games table 

message: Article states first update was firmware version 1.10 which isn't really correct. I have a launch title (Genji: Days of the Blade) that ships with version 1.02 on the disc, and requires that update to be installed. Considering the unit ships with 1.00, 1.02 is probably the first update over 1.10 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.143.65.196 (talk) 01:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought the first update was 1.01?--w_tanoto 16:00, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it seems skipped, but the fact that 1.01 ever released, and it is written in history as PS3's first update.--w_tanoto 22:18, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First PS3 Firmware update 

message: The UK SRP for the standard unit needs to be set to £550 GBP which is about $900 USD. Since I am no good at WikiFormatting Someone else needs to add it 
Robin 13:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: any source?--w_tanoto 16:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK SRP 

message: As this is a future product still waiting for release in Europe and other PAL regions maybe a  tag should be added to a section for the benefit of PAL users. Unless wikipedia is sanctioning the import of PS3 consoles which Sony would like us to believe is illegal. RangerOfFire 12:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I guess I didn't see this, but the product is not future, simply its release in some territories. It should be the same product, more or less. However, I guess there might be some differences, including things fixed by firmware updates. I also heard that the hardware will be revised so PlayStation 1 and 2 games will run only with software emulation. --gatoatigrado 17:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What are you talking about?  The PS3 is designed and being mass produced, it's in the f-ing wild.  It's not a future product, it's out, it's here.  I would've been comfortable if the Future tag was removed the instant it went on sale in Japan even though it wasn't available yet in the US (where I live.  Plus, you're reasoning is horribly pathetic.  I'm ashamed for both of us.  LighthouseJ 01:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future product for Europe 

message: Can someone put a combined total of the amount sold? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.192.68.162 (talk • contribs).
:Done.  Dionyseus 03:38, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: Okay, is there a reason why we took out the Luanch Day frenzy madness paragraph? Seriously, you guys got three days to put it back in, or that's it. I will. Dragong4 17:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with dragong4. Although other people might not like it, but I am interested in more details.--w_tanoto 22:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  launch day frenzy 

message: that IGN article didn't really seem all that highly negitive to me. He brought up some negitive aspects, but he also gave some aspects of the system quite a high rating. 68.148.107.31 01:45, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide the url and we'll include it in the article.  Dionyseus 03:37, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: That's exactly what I said when I first reverted his edit (he first titled the section "criticism").    I'd support removing the Press section.  Dionyseus 04:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press 

message: I just want to make you aware that new page has been created for ps3 price and release data. 
Playstation 3 release data
Bobthebobthetimothy has created the page, with Indonesian price added and i added prices for Brazil and added table for the price of accessories. This page has currently two unofficial prices, Brazil and Indonesia. If you have more unofficial prices from different countries, please fill that in. For accessories I filled one in for Indonesia: Game, while the other, I haven't heard of their prices. I still left price for the other countries blank.--w_tanoto 23:09, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, once the page is developed, the prices of the main page can be reduced to just Japan, USA, European Union and United Kingdom, similar to what they did in Xbox and Wii articles.--w_tanoto 23:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new page for ps3 price and release created 

message: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/750/750719p1.html ......Yeah, either get the **** out, or we will leave the LAUNCH DAY FRENZY in, alright? You guys got three days to put it back in, or that's it, I will. 71.117.209.109 23:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good lord, not you again.  Your ultimatums are only mildly amusing. -- mattb @ 2006-12-14T00:17Z
oh brother.  They dropped the charges anyway, the foreman signed the wrong box http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163060.html Dm-schmieder 03:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder Charge for Officer Who Shot PS3 Suspect 

message: As hong kong use both chinese and english, I am putting:
http://asia.playstation.com/hk/ps3/eng/ps3.htm
into the external links for "english language countries--w_tanoto 14:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hong Kong PlayStation 3 Official Site 

message: The UK and europe and the rest of the PAl region might be left without consoles until September 2007.
Source: http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/pal-ps3-delay-rumours-are-speculation-without-foundation-221659.php —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.194.74.227 (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 Euro delay

message: See Talk:PlayStation 3#Murder Charge for Officer Who Shot PS3 Suspect and Talk:PlayStation 3#launch day frenzy
The 'launch day frenzy' section was fun, and now exists in truncated form in 'release date and pricing' - personally I thought it was suitably interesting in it's full form to justify it's inclusion in the article despite it's somewhat trivial nature. This death takes the funny edge off it a lot.
Still would the editors at least consider re-including it as a subsection to the release section.. (To see the original form see [frenzy]83.100.174.70 15:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: launch day frenzy

message: I removed the "Worldwide Sales" from the table, but it was reverted back. I did thid because it says:
"Worldwide: 435,007 (as of December 10, 2006)
North America: 197,000[4] (as of the end of November 2006)
Japan: 238,007[5] (as of December 10, 2006)"
Whilst the North America and Japan sales are correct for there particular dates, this does not mean that the two combined represent the worldwide sales as of December 10th - rather, that figure represents Japanese sales until the 10th, and the American sales to the end of November. It neglects the North American sales until December 10th, and as such, to state that the figure is Worldwide until December 10th is simply not correct. SynergyBlades 22:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, the worldwide figure simply adds up all known sales figures up to a certain date, in this case December 10.  We would continually add to the worldwide figure as new verifiable information comes in.  Take a look at the other consoles for examples of how the worldwide figure is maintained.  Dionyseus 23:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's misleading. Adding numbers from different times like that is at best an "at least" assertion, which is significantly weaker than what is provided in the original figures (representations of specifically how many consoles had been sold by a certain time), yet is listed as if it were the same thing. The difference in the other console articles is that the worldwide sales figures in those are directly sourced. Dancter 04:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You absolutely cannot just add the numbers across different dates like that. Simply put, it's misleading at best, and deceptive at worst. The worldwide sales, as of december 10th, are not known. Only the japanese sales are known for that recent a timespan. Bladestorm 07:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide Sales 

message: Should something about this be included? Because the PS3 via Location Free Player can record video.
Can we link to http://ps3penguins.blogspot.com or http://groups.google.com/group/PS3Penguins?  This is a forum (in Google Groups) and a Blog to track Linux on PS3.  Primary goal is to track MythTV or similiar OSS setups on the playstation 3. ps3penguin 06:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 PVR/DVR

message: Anyone knows if the PS3 has the option for game custom soundtracks??
*I have Madden 07, Resistance, Tony Hawk, and Fight Night, and none of these support this right now. Maybe down the line, I don't see why a game publisher couldn't choose to play these from the hard drive. Cmsjustin 23:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Custom Soundtracks 

message: It was determined in Talk:List of best-selling computer and video games that VGCharts cannot be used in Wikipedia because it is unverifiable.  See the discussion for an explanation on why it is unverifiable.  Dionyseus 23:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  VGCharts is unusable 

message: Quote:
The PlayStation 3 has been getting some really some interesting news in the local media lately, but the ninjas over at GameAxis have just uncovered the 2 most important bits through reliable sources that you should know about the PlayStation 3 in this little red dot island - the console's release date and pricing.
First of all, it's no secret that Singapore will be getting PS3 NTSC/J-coded units, similar to the Hong Kong and Taiwan sets. Now, the news that did surprise us though was that Sony Singapore will be launching the PlayStation 3 here officially in March 2007, given that the PlayStation 2 took more than a year to reach Singapore after its official launch in Japan. But it's worth noting that the gaming landscape in Singapore has changed rather drastically since Microsoft launched the Xbox here in 2002, and the Sony SG folks might have better optimism of the local market here today.
The price of the local PlayStation 3 will also appear to be pegged at S$799 at retail (Update: for the 60GB, thanks for pointing that out Fran), which is a pretty good price point if you asked me. And I'm going to be curious how Microsoft will react to it if this price-tag is confirmed by Sony. I'm also pretty sure that like Hong Kong and Taiwan, buyers here will be required to buy a bundle offer (3 games and an additional controller perhaps). That basically mean you're still likely to have to cough up between S$950-S$1000 in order to get a local PlayStation 3 console here.
Awesome news from our ninjas, but as usual, the above are still to be considered rumors until we get something official from Sony Singapore
END OF QUOTE
Source: Gameaxis
I don't have time and speed to update the articles (PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 3 Release Data). I use dial-up during christmas holiday, and I do't have time to provide you with the proper link to the article, as I jus found this in Indonesian Game forum.
--w_tanoto 11:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singaporean Official Release Date and Price 

message: What is it?   They said that 360 is 500 million/sec.  Can't find stats like that on the PS3.
:"1.1 Billion Vertices per second. (Possibly around 366 Million Polygons (Triangles) per second)" from RSX 'Reality Synthesizer' --Cmsjustin 18:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to diff of that entry --Cmsjustin 18:48, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Polygon Performance? 

message: link broken. any info? news to me.66.97.203.92 03:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gamestop theft? 

message: Just a note ( I do not know how to change this yet, kinda wiki-new) The PS3 60GB version comes with an onboard wi-fi adapter.
maybe someone can change that on the main page.  Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.106.245.249 (talk • contribs).
:It's already mentioned. i.e., in the box in the Overview section with the title System features. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WI-Fi 

message: I was just wondering why there is no mention of this in the "Backward Compatibility" section.  The problem is pretty severe, and it makes PS2 games look very bad 
(this coming from someone who has first-hand experience with the problem).  For those who are unaware of the problem, it has been discussed at length here:
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=ps3&thread.id=808212&view=by_date_ascending&page=1[/url], and of course there's also the youtube video, which illustrates the problem accurately.  In my opinion this is a major enough issue to merit mention on the main page - but I realize we don't have enough cite able evidence yet (such as articles from major news sources)
Epsilon72 02:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not notable.  Backward compatibility is a bonus rather than a primary feature, be thankful the PS3 is capable of playing practically every PS1 and PS2 game, whereas the Xbox 360 only currently supports approximately 30% of the Xbox library, and the Wii requires you to pay $5 for games like Super Mario Bros which came out for free 20 years ago.  Dionyseus 05:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how it isn't notable or a primary feature. Sony touted it as a benefit (for example over the 360). Also given that people would buy the PS3 thinking they'd have access to the PS2 library, a strong advantage indeed. The failure to have it at an acceptable quality level is notable, especially considering how consoles typically don't have particularly strong titles to begin with until later on.--Tomwchow 14:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no mention of the display problems with virtually all PS2 games? 

message: Ok I'm sure most of you feel the same way about GameSpot for the least, GameSpot is known for being very biased against the Sony generation of products. Though at first they were in the viewers eyes biased towards Ps2, it seems they have switched against them now. 
-Here is a link to them fighting off alot of complaints against the xbox http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/030802/p2_01.html
Though now I and many others will say that they are against Sony, either way a bias is a bias and even if they do bias towards Sony again, it shouldn't be posted up here. I feel a site for reviews should focus strictly on one platform/console to be listed on here. 
-About IGN, they seem to do some of the same things that GameSpot does with their ads, Microsoft advertisements plastered all over Sonys ps2 and ps3 pages for a while until people were complaining. They also seem to bias towards Microsoft products as well, offering multiple continent reviews mainly to Microsoft published/console games in their recent new offices offering reviews.
I'm not some fanboy here, just someone who would like to see people going to an unbiased source whether it be against or for the console in question. Thank you for reading.
Oh for reference, just go to yahoo or google, type in "gamespot biased" or "ign biased" Many results will surface, some being to other popular gaming websites editors frowning upon these two sites. Alot will be forums and such, but they are still there.
--64.231.251.250 09:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific?  Which references or better yet, which article text would be deleted? Daniel.Cardenas 15:03, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IGN / GameSpot Unofficial links : Vote for removal 

message: In the UK prices of consumer products are never listed without VAT. The table needs to be made much clearer. Olborne 16:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Presentation of prices is misleading and U.S. centric

message: I heard on the news that availability problem of PS3 hurt SONY badly this Christmas.  I think it should be significant enough as a topic in the article.  Almost every game console sold better than PS3 this Christmas.  Even PS2 beat PS3 in sales.  I heard one of the part suppliers screwed SONY big time. Anyone know the real cause of the short supply?  -Kowloonese 23:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sony never expected availability to be high.  Sony has talked about problems making enough of the blu-ray diode and IBM has issues with the Cell processor.  These production problems/opportunities will be fixed with time.  Daniel.Cardenas 17:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 missed the 2006 Christmas rush

message: Should we add details of third version of playstation 3?. See here here for more information. This machine cost whooping 2500$. Was PS 3 successful console?. Was it a big hit? --SkyWalker 10:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We've used news originating from PC Watch before (usually through an intermediary English-language source), and X-bit labs may be reliable enough. Though if it isn't considered to be (I'm not too familiar with the site), we could sit on this until a more trusted source picks it up. Dancter 20:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third PlayStation 3 Version for Video Enthusiasts for $2500 

message: this page needs to be archived. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.248.195.105 (talk) 18:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  please archive