Talk:Switzerland/Archive 4

message: Does anyone know the name of the Swiss Sport which is similar to golf? I've seen it played but can't remember the name of it. One person hits a ball off a tee using what looks like a cork on the end of a fishing rod. A number of other people then wait in the distance with wooden bats and try to hit the ball before it hits the ground. Any Swiss people out there who know what this is ?
:Ouch! That comparison with Golf really hurts. Hornussen is very different. Lupo 07:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Swiss Sports

message: I have removed the following external link:
:World-wide press freedom index Rank 12 out of 166 countries (4 way tie)
This, because it isn't really about Switzerland. This link should go into an article on Press Freedom, or, if there was a paragraph on that in the article on Switzerland. Kokiri 21:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've replaced it with something better now (as in many other articles). --Shallot 18:47, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: RSF linkage

message: Lake Geneva official name is "Lake Léman", should it bear its official name on the map?
Because border line cuts lake in two between Switzerland and France, Lake Léman is more "politically correct".
I did not see on your map Lake Neuchâtel, which is the bigger lake in surface that is enterely in Switzerland!
Christian, from La Chaux-de-Fonds, Switzerland
:The map is probably from the CIA World Factbook, if there is a better one we are allowed to used, it might be good thing to change it. -- User:Docu
:Strangely enough the lake is commonly called Lake Geneva in English. This despite Lac Léman or even Le Léman is used in the region. There's another case like this: Lake Constance which is called Bodensee in the region. The Manual of Style suggests we use the English names.
:This convention on Wikipedia is contrary to some ideas of politically correct which prefer the use of the local word. Kokiri 21:02, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake's name

message: Switzerland is one of the world's oldest, surviving republics. This is very misleading. First of all, Switzerland is not officially a republic, but rather a federation, so if anything, the individual cantons would be among the world's oldest republics. More importantly, the 1291 business is more of a national myth than real history. In any case, there is no direct connection of the present state with republics that may or may not have existed in the 14th and 15th century. Switzerland as a sovereign state goes back to 1848 and as such is of the same age as most European nation states. If nobody objects, I will change the text to reflect this. dab 17:19, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded. That's small potatoes, though, compared to Letter_of_Alliance which embarrassingly claims that On 1 August 1291 the Eternal Alliance was formed, uniting Switzerland. Said letter is now widely believed to be fake, and whatever it united, it sure wasn't Switzerland.Rl 17:56, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: indeed! I have immediately changed that. It's also a bit much to have an english translation of the entire letter. It would be a better place to discuss the authenticity of the thing. dab 18:42, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. I don't mind having the entire letter there, it is on-topic and disk space is cheap.Rl 19:08, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Republic?

message: I've started translating :de:Bezirk (Schweiz) to produce this temporary article, and plan to put it into the article namespace, but not until more of the redlinks have also been translated. It'll take me some time... -Wikibob | Talk 20:49, 2004 Oct 3 (UTC)
* Please use standard canton name!!! Switzerland is not only a german speaking country! So use Ticino, Vaud, ... -- Cate 12:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: District (Swiss)

message: Corrected the Population and the Density
Source for the Population is the Federal Statistic Office of Switzerland:
www.bfs.admin.ch
Also corrected the % amount of water surface to 4.2 %, wich I also got from the swiss Federal Statistic Office PDF-Document 4th page
--212.254.248.201 01:39, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population and Density Adjusted 

message: I moved the box to template:Switzerland infobox.--Jerryseinfeld 19:43, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And now someone disabled that.--Jerryseinfeld 21:14, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: It may be someone that have made a comment at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#country infoboxes as templates.--Jerryseinfeld 21:44, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Check out the Village pump link above. There are good arguments for both having the Infobox as a template or in the article. IOW, it's a totally stupid revert war over nothing. Obviously, not everybody agrees. Improved template code may eventually make the point moot anyway.Rl 22:44, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: it's not so much anti-Swiss as anti-Turkish. Since it is the Turks who have their reputation damaged by their government's continued denial of the Armenian genocide. While Switzerland, like any other civilized  country, is simply recognizing the events as genocide, and also happens to have laws against holocaust denial (see here).
It seems like many Turkish nationalists have a long road towards sanity ahead of them. Incidentially, while Perincek
is facing charges, he is not imprisoned or anything, and as long as he doesn't show up in Switzerland again, it is unlikely he will have to take responsibility for breaking Swiss law. "FREE DOGU PERINCEK!" does seem a bit hysterical, in that context. dab (ᛏ) 12:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: recent vandalism

message: Does Switzerland have a media? If so what are its policies about confidential sources? --E.S. (4.167.56.96)
:Do you mean media law ? I don't know about the law per se, but there is something about the topic in the criminal code (code penal in French), see e.g. . Short answer is that confidential sources are protected, expect in some cases (if a life is threatened, or if the information could solve a murder or other serious crime). But there probably is more to the topic that just this one article, but IANAL. Schutz 00:22, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: The section on politics says:
From 1959 to December 2003, the four major parties were represented in the Federal Council according to the "magic formula", proportional to their representation in federal parliament: 2 Christian Democrats (CVP/PDC), 2 from the Social Democrats (SPS/PSS), 2 Free Democrats (FDP/PRD), and 1 from the Swiss People's Party (SVP/UDC). This traditional distribution of seats, however, is not backed up by any law, and in the 2003 elections to the Federal Council the CVP/PDC lost their second seat to the SVP/UDC.
The way I remember it, the magic formula (Zauberformel) was no longer accurately represented due to a shift in votes from the CVP to the SVP. The December 2003 election of Christoph Blocher therefore assured that the actual representation matched vote percentages. The current paragraph makes it sound like the magic formula was no longer followed after 2003.
:the "magic formula" referred to the 2:2:2:1 distribution, not to a mathematically proportional representation. 2:2:2:1 approximately represented party strength, and its long survival was considered a sign of stability. The SPS had to wait for 20 years to get their second seat, even after their relative strength would have justified one. The SVP only had to wait for one legislation period. The Zauberformel is history now, and the current distribution over-represents CVP and under-represents the Greens (a more adequate distribution would have been 2:2:1:1:1, the ones being FDP, CVP, Greens). But there is no rule that the council represents party strength. The Parliament could have continued the formula in the interest of stability. Electing Blocher turns out to have been a dreadful mistake, since the council has been practically paralized by infighting for two years now. dab (ᛏ) 09:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics - Zauberformel (magic formula) 

message: I think this is a good article.  A few suggestions: 
Under economics please record that those treaties with the EU were all ratified by referendum.  It says Bern negotiated them in order to get around the people's reluctance to join the EU (true) but the people ratified those treaties with (as I recall) a majority in all cantons except Ticino.  They are not so isolationist.  
Maybe put in the link  http://c2d.unige.ch/ which is the centre for research into direct democracy at the Uni of Geneva. 
Here's a slightly harder one: set out Neidhart's thesis that the facultative referendum (that's the 50000 signatures within 100 days one) is the cause of the "Vernehmlassung" process whereby every interested party gets a say about a proposed law.  The art of governing the country is to avoid a referendum. (Some say Switzerland doesn't have a government, only an administration.)  This is responsible for laws passing with usually 80 to 100% of MPs in favour.  Statistically 6% (not 7 as in some references) of laws do wind up with a referendum and of them half go into the WPB (around 70 laws over the last 120 years).  The chance of a law actually suffering a referendum is proportional to the number of MPs voting for it: for example it turns out that if only(!) 67% of the lower house agree to the law it has (purely statistically) a 50% chance of going to referendum.  
It seems pretty clear that it is the facultative referendum which is also the fundamental driver which causes all four major parties to get into cabinet.   
150.203.2.85 11:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: I probably could've just edited it, but the invisible comment pushed me backward. Do you think it's fine to have Swiss a 'landlocked country'? I mean, it is, and it can be okay to put that info there. What are your thoughts? GeraldWL 15:54, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure which invisible comment you're referring to, but the third sentence of the lead already states Switzerland is a landlocked country. Calidum 16:08, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The invisible comment I'm referring to is the one warning users who wants to edit the brief introduction. The brief definiton wasn't 'landlocked country' when I first clicked Edit. Maybe someone noticed this talk. I dunno. GeraldWL 07:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Landlock 

message: GDP by Purchasing Power Parity in the infobox is written with no large number. Surely it is not five hundred-eighty-four dollars. FernandoAguado (talk) 07:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Thjarkur (talk) 08:03, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2020 

message: Lombard Language is important in southern switzerland culture, and still spoken by almost half of the population, especially in alpine valleys. It's not a "dialectal form" of Italian. It's a separate language, and it should be mentioned properly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.171.99.123 (talk) 20:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lombard 

message: Change the value added tax rate from 33% to 7.7%, and add a source.
The article incorrectly states Swiss Value Added Tax is 33%. The true rate is 7.7%. Sources for this (the first is the official source but less clear):
https://www.estv.admin.ch/estv/en/home/mehrwertsteuer/fachinformationen/was-ist-die-mehrwertsteuer.html
https://www.ch.ch/en/vat-rates-switzerland/ Cincinnus (talk) 07:24, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The text is not very clear, but it is not discussing the rate, but rather the proportion that each tax contributes to federal revenue. I've cleaned up the language. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change value added tax rate for Switzerland (Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2020) 

message: In the article, there is no mention of Switzerland NOT being a landlocked country.
Maybe it would be useful to mention why not? The Rhine is considered international waters until Basel.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rin67630 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You would need a reliable source - WP:RS to specifically state it as such and if there are a majority of reliable sources that says it is landlocked then that would remain the case. Provide the source/s and start a discussion otherwise it is just POV. Robynthehode (talk) 14:17, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Switzerland not only appears to be a landlocked country, it is a landlocked country. Sharing borders with rivers and lakes does not count.  The Rhine is not "international waters until Basel". International waters do not occur until the water is  from the mean low water mark of any sovereign land other than man made features. RFenergy (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explain why Switzerland is not, despite of appearance, a landlocked country. 

message: change "is a country situated at the confluence of Western, Central, and Southern Europe" to "s a country situated at the confluence of Western and Central Europe"
Switzerland never has been considered as southern Europe culturally, nor geographically (latitudes, climate, fauna ...).
Even though it's touching northern Italy (which is rather a transition zone by the way), there is no reason Switzerland would mention "Southern Europe" in the first line of its description. The phytogeography of southern Tessin (less than 5% of the Territory) is located in the transition zone to Southern Europe. That's actually the only common point between Switzerland ans Southern Europe. 
Reference:
Central Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe (it's in) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe#/media/File:Grossgliederung_Europas-en.svg (it's in)
Western Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe (it was in, but most recent maps don't include it)
Southern Europe: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe (it's not even in the page)
European climate:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Europe#/media/File:Europe_Köppen_Map.png
You even talk about the "Western or Central europe" in the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Switzerland#Western_or_Central_Europe?
Switzerland is not southern Europe in any way. That statement could be misleading to non-european people, that's why I think it's important to correct it. Roumaru (talk) 20:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get the feeling that this sentence is saying Switzerland is a part of Southern Europe, it's just saying it's situated where the regions of Western, Central, and Southern Europe meet without necessarily claiming it's a part of any of them. Southern France is usually considered Southern European. But maybe this wording could be altered for more clarity. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:32, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

text: I don't see a problem for the sentence in its current state as there are too many definitions and criteria of these divisions that it's simpler to leave it in. We can agree that the border of Southern Europe is somewhere in/along Switzerland, so I think mentioning it is not unreasonable. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 November 2020 

message: You have some typing errors in the second sentence of section 5 (economy). 31.54.65.124 (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please list in a form your concerns like "modify X -> Y". Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 03:37, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: Hi,
I was reverted for reinstating a long-standing material and sourced to WP:RS info about drug addiction in CH. Instead as a compromise I left the first paragraph and suggest to move the rest to health in Switzerland for details. Cheers, Swiss romulus (talk) 06:05, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Drug addiction in Switzerland

message: Be fair. Do the same! See: antiagnostic atheism, because you claim that openness to the possibility of magic is tautological to its rejection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:587:410d:3400:b418:d480:bab5:8a50 (talk • contribs) 14:16, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That data doesn't seem to exist. On the Federal level surveys they just report "No Membership".Tobyc75 (talk) 15:32, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the main table you separated the Christians, but not the nontheists into: 1. atheists, 2. agnostics, 3. indifferent/other nontheist 

message: I notice that this article is semi-protected.  Where is the rationale for that protection discussed?
Thanks.  2601:200:104:9F00:580B:8670:2E4F:3AC0 (talk) 09:30, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't count as a discussion, but maybe the protection log helps you? User:Samsara (who applied the protection in 2017) is kind of active, but hasn't edited since late June. You may have to wait a while for an answer at their talk page. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 16:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected? 

message: Romansch language is equal by law to the other three official languages and should be reflected as such — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14f:4401:6380:d449:6e4f:9ee7:5e29 (talk) 02:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled (Romansch) 

message: Federal semi-direct democracy under a assembly-independent[5][6] directorial republic
Should read:
Federal semi-direct democracy under an assembly-independent[5][6] directorial republic
Poor English/typo Ahendric (talk) 21:30, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: and thanks for spotting and reporting this. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 23:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2021 

message: Why is Madame de Staël listed as a Swiss French-speaking writer in the article? She was French, nothing else, although of Swiss descent (which could perhaps make her a "French writer of Swiss descent", but definitely not just a "Swiss writer"). She was born in France, died in France, spent the vast majority of her life in France, and did almost everything she's famous for in France. She spent some of her time in exile in Switzerland, but she also spent time in Germany, England, Austria, Russia and Sweden, so there's absolutely no basis for claiming she was a "Swiss writer"! - Drachentöter001 (talk) 16:28, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germaine de Staël 

message: This article and its offspring are lacking in information about the post WWII period (1946-1958). Efforts by the Allies to get Switzerland involved in reparations involving Nazi gold are not mentioned here but discussed in US National Archives Records of Foreign Service Posts: Switzerland. See . The British and US conducted aerial photography missions over Switzerland with Swiss permission in 1946. See  And while Switzerland restricted border crossings by US Persons during the war, this video shows US troops sightseeing in Switzerland in 1946. See . Certainly something could be said about Switzerland in the post-war period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pnoble805 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immediate Post-WWII Period Lacking 

message: While it may be interesting to discuss why Switzerland avoided to use the term Hauptstadt, I do not think it is a good reason to make the distinction between de jure and de facto capital just for Switzerland. The constitutions of Canada and Australia use the term "seat of government", are Ottawa and Canberra also de facto capitals? The seat of the Swiss federal government is legally defined to be in Bern (article 58 of the Government and Administration Organisation Act). That "Switzerland has no capital" seems to be like a factoid paraded around as a "fun fact" when it is not that unusual. A better argument could be made for France, the seat of government not formally conferred by law to Paris, than for Switzerland to be without a de jure capital. As such, I would suggest to remove such artificial distinction from the infobox. 31.10.162.187 (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The current description given in the infobox (no capital city de jure, and Bern de facto) is satisfactory as it is in accordance with the legal texts. On the one hand the 1999 constitution of Switzerland does not mention a capital city and, what’s even more significant, a recent attempt made to change that failed (as is described in details in the article). On the other hand almost all government institutions are located in Bern (but not all of them: for instance the Federal Supreme Court of Switzerland is not). --Sapphorain (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Bern is de jure the seat of government, the definition of capital in English, and the seat of the "supreme authority" of the Confederation. No other country seems to get the same treatment. For example, there is no mention of Paris in the French constitution. The UK and New Zealand does not even have a single coherent written constitution. None of these countries have the note "de facto". Even with in Switzerland, the cantonal capitals do not get the extra notes, e.g. Delémont is listed as the capital for Jura, not the de facto capital. I think a consistent approach is needed. Zhantongz (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does de jure capital mean? 

message: {Add swizzy's to wikipedia page about switzerland} Georgia the country (talk) 23:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. - FlightTime (open channel) 23:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2022 

message: I know CH has very good infrastructure when it comes to tourism. Everything WORKS. Besides personnel is generally well trained and some chefs are graduates from top hosteling Schools (e.g. Lausanne "ecole hoteliere"). Swiss people are generally very hospitable. Cleanliness is also a plus factor for CH. Safety is generally good. All this should be mentioned in the economy section. May be there is a summary Index for tourism (besides the Tourism revenues rankings). On the minus side: cost of living which is already reported in the economy section. Cheers. Swiss romulus (talk) 22:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus beautiful landscapes. the Alps in particular. https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the-swiss-alps-are-beautiful--but-are-they-biodiverse-/46108664?utm_content=o&utm_campaign=own-posts&utm_medium=display&utm_source=swissinfoch 172.58.236.177 (talk) 05:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Minus the fact of racial discrimination of non-Europeans visitors: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.236.99 (talk) 16:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism index 

message: . 109.98.136.130 (talk) 05:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luxembourg gini index 

message: Is there a standardized spelling of these two cities that this article uses? Sources use both versions of each name, but I figure it would make sense to only use one spelling through the article. ― Tuna NoSurprisesPlease 16:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the French spelling vs the English or German spelling to me 😎😁 172.58.236.3 (talk) 05:30, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berne/Bern and Zurich/Zürich 

message: The description of Swiss sports describes Federer having a "record" 20 Grand Slam titles. This is no longer accurate as Rafael Nadal now has 21 titles. Zarkoperovic (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: removed the "record". But he is still mentioned as a successful tennis player.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2022 

message: I visited this page hoping to find a section on crime in Switzerland, and failed to do so. Later I found an already existing separate page "Crime in Switzerland" and I linked to it under Demographics. The change was reverted, even suggested it was vandalism. Why? Asgrrr (talk) 18:01, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don’t see ANY problem with y/edit. Cheers:) 172.58.236.153 (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you describe the revert here? Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 21:21, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not see a direct connection between demographics and crime. But maybe it is still the most plausible place to add this link.Nillurcheier (talk) 15:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, and I would suggest that in the future, when someone tries to improve an article, instead of in effect throwing the legos back in the pile, an editor would try to find a better improvement to the article in a similar spirit. Asgrrr (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto!172.58.236.78 (talk) 20:29, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime in Switzerland 

message: This was a good, well written and informative/interesting article. I have some comments and questions.
1. The introduction talks about 8th GDP (PPP) but the box shows 9th.
2a. "Thus, while the rest of Europe saw revolutionary uprisings, the Swiss drew up a constitution which provided for a federal layout, much of it inspired by the American example."
What was the year?
2b. "This new constitution also brought a legal end to nobility in Switzerland."
What was the year?
3. "A new Swiss Constitution was adopted in 1999, but did not introduce notable changes to the federal structure."
This is in direct contradition to the previous "A new Swiss Constitution was adopted in 1999, but did not introduce notable changes to the federal structure."
4. "Swiss citizens are prohibited from serving in foreign armies, except for the Swiss Guards of the Vatican, or if they are dual citizens of a foreign country and reside there."
My understanding is that "there" means abroad: if you are a citizen of Switzerland and a resident of, let's say Belgium, you can serve in the military in Belgium.
5. "However, ammunition is no longer issued."
What does it mean?
6. "The foreign citizen population was 28.9% in 2015, about the same as in Australia."
This is a pointless comparison.
7. "Eight of ten best hotel schools in the world are located in Switzerland. In addition, there are various Universities of Applied Sciences."
This is not a good transition.
8. "Notable inventions include lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), diazepam (Valium), the scanning tunnelling microscope (Nobel prize) and Velcro."
What's the meaning of "Nobel prize" following "scanning tunnelling microscope"? It's inconsistent with the other things that are listed.
9. "A further referendum will be needed to approve 300 million francs to support Romania and Bulgaria and their recent admission."
This excerpt should be checked and a date should be added to it.
ICE77 (talk) 07:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments and questions 

message: Change, "In 2002 Switzerland become a full member of the United Nations," to, "In 2002 Switzerland became a full member of the United Nations." Raulisv (talk) 12:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2022 

message: Topic says it all.
A lot of you do not know your History of Helvetia.
Nor how it became Switzer-land after Nazi Germany invaded during World War 2.
Before this war, this land was known as Helvetia.
Stop posting misinformation, then locking the topic.
The land before world war 2 is known as Helvetia.
Catholic records prove this. 
Quote:
Why Switzerland is called Helvetia?
Helvetia. The Old Swiss Confederacy of the early modern period was often called Helvetia or Republica Helvetiorum ("Republic of the Helvetians") in learned humanist Latin. The Latin name is ultimately derived from the name of the Helvetii, the Gaulish tribe living on the Swiss plateau in the Roman era. 
Quote:
What country is known as Helvetia?
Switzerland in brief. Destination Switzerland, a Nations Online country profile of the Swiss Confederation. Helvetia, how the country was called in ancient times, but even today, the name is still in use. The country's official Latin name is Confoederatio Helvetica (CH). 
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Helvetia 
2601:547:C881:D7B0:0:0:0:B05E (talk) 19:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are you misrepresenting the History of Helvetia with your falsified Nazi takeover Switzerland name? 

message: I see that in the ethnic group section in the first description there is the Swiss designation but I don't really think that we can call Swiss an ethnic group. Lmagoutas (talk) 08:38, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the "ethnic group" of people who like to eat CHEESE. & It is quite homogenous (like the fondue) :) Swiss romulus (talk) 02:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

text: I agree with Lmagoutas and have removed it. There are simply no reliable secondary sources quoted for this. Even the article itself states Swiss identity transcends language, ethnicity, and religion, leading to Switzerland being described as a Willensnation ("nation of volition") rather than a nation state. --hroest 16:26, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swiss as an ethnic group? 

message: The "Ethnic Groups" section of the infobox currently only includes two distinctions: swiss nationality and non-swiss nationality. This distinction has nothing to do with ethnicity. Either a new section for citizenship/nationality should be made, or the contents of the "ethnic groups" section should be revised to reflect the actual ethnic makeup of Switzerland. Perhaps both can be done.  NipponGinko (talk) 03:18, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This should clearly be removed, there is no such thing as an "Ethnic Swiss" person, one could argue that there are at least 4 different cultural groups which speak 4 languages plus foreigners. So one could try and use mother tongue for ethnicity but using nationality / whether they have a Swiss passport or not for ethnicity is clearly wrong. I am not versed enough however to know if there are reliable sources for a "Swiss-German", "Swiss-French", "Swiss-Italian" and "Swiss-Romantsch" ethnicity. Also I feel like in Switzerland there is a good argument for 26 ethnicities based on canton, fulfilling the "basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups." criterion from ethnicity. Also neither France not Germany have that field. Better to remove it altogether which I have done. --hroest 16:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox: "Ethnic Groups" or nationalities?