Talk:Kars

message: I was a little shocked to see a child's drawing on these pages.  How is that allowed?  With all due respect, it deos not belong to a general purpose article in a public space.  How about a real map of the city, a real nice picture of the famed Kars Fort, and other real and useful information first?--Murat (talk) 03:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what's so shocking. A hand drawn picture from almost a century ago is quite interesting actually. The caption of the image doesn't claim to be anything that the image is not. You can add other images without removing this one.  -- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 02:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: You're repeating yourself again but you're not saying why it's bizzare or shocking. I told you why it's interesting and notable. It's drawn by someone from a community in Kars that doesn't exist anymore almost a hundred years ago.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 14:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Here is a compromise - Murat quits his trawling through Wikipedia entries related to Turkey to remove any content connected to Armenians. Meowy 19:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Artifacts 

message: Meowy, before removing the reference to Georgian origin of the Kars name, please, find another non-Armenian source citing Armenian spelling (or Armenian meaning) of the word "Kars", to justify what appears to be original research without sources. Atabəy (talk) 01:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever inserted the claim that Kars is Armenian name, please, provide a verifiable source with meaning in translation. Otherwise, please, remove the false claim, as the name originated from Georgian kari (gate) per reference. Atabəy (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the following source: Placenames of the world By Adrian Room The name is subject to etymological speculation and "kari" is but one of them, the other being the Armenian word for bride.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The source was verifiable. Or should it be "verifiable" by Atabəy? Sardur (talk) 16:09, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Atabəy, I did NOT "remove the reference to Georgian origin of the Kars name"! Someone needs to hammer out once and for all what the "alternative names" section of Wikipedia articles should be. I do not think they are there to give supposed or speculative explanations of the origin of the place-name - they are there to list place-names that are alternatives or historical names of the current or official place-name. If I am right, the text currently within the article is not valid. The current solution also leaves the article wide open to propaganda "explanations" of the name origin, such as the laughable Turkish propaganda that the name is derived from a Turkish tribe. Meowy 16:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Read the source that was provided. In it you will find the Armenian meaning of the word. Thanks.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 19:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

text: 1) The source clearly states that the name Kars originates form the Armenian word for bride. 2) We can leave the other source that suggests an alternative etymology elsewhere but not in the lead since the city was Armenian, not Georgian. Any other questions?-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 23:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Eupator, and why are you removing the source altogether? Atabəy (talk) 00:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm getting sick and tired of this. What do you mean "unverified source", the Google Books link is right above! Here: Placenames of the world By Adrian Room. Do you see it now? Would you like it served with some caviar perhaps?-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 00:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Let's settle one aspect of this discussion. Based on the guidelines contained in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), theories about the etymological origin of a placename should not be placed in the listing of alternative names in an article's lead section. Meowy 15:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the POV tag. Partly because it is wrongly inserted - an entire article cannot be POV-tagged when all that is being argued about is a single point. Also, given that my opinion in the above post has not been countered, it seems there is no justification for having the POV tag in the article. The article already contains details about both theories on the origin of the name "Kars", and the arguments were about where in the article those theories should be stated. However, those arguments are settled if the advice in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) is accepted (i.e. they they cannot be inserted in the listing of alternative names). Meowy 20:57, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: This is disruption no matter how you slice it Atabek. The Georgian name is mentioned in the Etymology section of the article and constantly adding it in the lead reeks of POV pushing. Continue with these disruptive edits and I will report you to the Incidents/AA2 page and they will know how best to deal with it.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 02:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

text: You already have been overruled by three other editors and this is now becoming another familiar case of WP:ICANTHEARYOU. We have all come to agree with Meowy's compromise version; the rules he cites above are ones you apparently enjoy to ignor or prefer not to read. It preserves the Georgian text in the etymology section, since it's impossible to verify whether it comes from Armenian or Georgian. Even still, Kars has prominence for being a historically Armenian, not Georgian, city. This is the last warning.--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 23:39, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the name

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message: Today someone wanted to remove a phrase about the closing of the border. While it is "only" a capital of a border province, the info is significant as the railways to Armenia from Kars were closed after the shut down of the border. But the info was present twice, once in the very lead and once under transport. So I moved the phrase down from the lead to transport and adapted the phrase a bit. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 05:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing the Border with Armenia 

message: Do we have sources on the burning other than Turkish source. The current sources are only Turkish news media articles. Maidyouneed (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not that we can not use google translate, its the source is Turkish. It is forbidden for the Turkish media, to report about the Armenian Genocide as we have multiple articles on Wikipedia which treat people being sentenced by Turkey for reporting or just speaking about it. The Turkish media are suspicious and not seen as reliable regarding the Armenians. A source from a Western (Europe/USA) University accepted by the majority of the academic world would be better to source this.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:55, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is not about the language. It is about the sources themselves. They are all only very recent Turkish news media articles newly describing a very old event. 3 out 5 are the same article, 1 out of 5 looks down (memurlar). All of the sources are republishing news from elsewhere, acting as news portal/aggregators; They are not the actual news sources themselves. The articles are describing a recent exhibition put on by the then Mosque Association president which isn't a reliable source in itself. That these are all only Turkish sources in regards to the Armenians around the time of the Armenian genocide also challenges their reliability. Maidyouneed (talk) 22:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:   Grand Mosque of Kars