Talk:Dungan Revolt (1862–1877)

message: Fighting between the Jahriyya and Khafiyya Sufi orders led to a revolt by the Jahriyya, which was heavily dominated by Salars.
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Rajmaan (talk) 02:44, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1781 Jahriyya revolt 

message: I redirected the page Muslim Rebellion and the page Hui Minorities' War to this article because the term Dungan revolt seems more accurate since the term Muslim rebellion is too general. Also see the talk page in the Muslim Rebellion page.Talk:Muslim Rebellion#Name of the article Editingman 03:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know any Chinese, you could see that "Dungan" actually means Eastern Gansu, which was a mojor place of the conflicts, but not all. The revolt is usually called "Shaan-Gan Hui Revolt" in Chinese books, which means the Hui revolt outbursted in the provinces of Shaanxi and Gansu. Or "Tongzhi Hui Revolt", which means the Hui revolt outbursted in the Tongzhi era of Qing Dynasty. DerekJoe 17:25, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

message: In the current version of the article, there is no mention of the end of the rebellion. How did the Qing reaffirm their power? Stammer 19:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete account

message: I can only see the description of genocides against muslims (xi Hui), but before that there were also genocides committed by muslims against Han people, Zuo Zongtang and Qing troops did it mostly for revenge. After te revolt, both Han and Hui people in Shaanxi and Gansu lost similar amount of population. Derekjoe (talk) 09:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  the jungars don't even exist any longer, you people wiped them out, and you're still complaining?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.21.220 (talk) 09:00, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "you people" wipe them out? Who did this? Under the influence of Confucian doctrines, the Han Chinese dynasties had never committed any such atrocity, the Jungars were eliminated by Qing troops following the order of the Manchu emperor. The Qing troops had slaughtered far more Han Chinese before and after that. And also, all people killed during Jungar's former invasions could also be a huge number, including Han, Uighur, Tibetan, Khalkha Mongolians, etc. I'm not wining here, I just want neutrality. After all, most statistics showed more Han people were killed than Muslims during this revolt. Every life is precious, Han people's life should not be regarded less precious just because their population is bigger. DerekJoe 17:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased Article

message: The genocide is between both sides, there is no reason to just list how many muslims are lost but not Han people. I just added the numbers calculated based on the Chinese you provided. And the total number is 1.55 million muslim people and about 4 million Han people. There is no reason for hiding the numbers just because "higher percentage", this is wikipedia we simply need the truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.107.138 (talk) 05:44, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: the threshhold for inclusion on wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Calculating numbers on your own is WP:OR.Дунгане (talk) 18:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Need to be accurate not misleading

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: I remember reading in this article several months ago a section on ottoman support for yaqub beg and how captured turkish officers were tortured by the chinese, why was this deleted? I will restore it if i can find it in the history.Shining stark (talk) 19:36, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman support for yaqub beg 

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Rajmaan (talk) 23:17, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Case study of the revolt 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=4EqRBIz9GtgC&pg=PA77#v=onepage&q&f=false
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Rajmaan (talk) 03:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  source on militaries during the conflict 

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Wade giles spelling
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Rajmaan (talk) 22:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generals 

message: There were more than three sides during the war in Xinjiang. It was not just Yaqub Beg vs Dungans vs Qing dynasty, there were separate khotanese rebels who fought all three of them as well.
http://books.google.com/books?id=AtduqAtBzegC&pg=PA60#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 05:20, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many warring parties 

message: The copyright on this book expired since it was published in the 19th century, so copying and pasting the text is ok.
CHINA BY DEMETRIUS CHARLES BOULGER
WITH A SUPPLEMENTARY CHAPTER OF RECENT EVENTS BY MAYO W. HAZELTINE
http://www.travelbooksonline.com/asia/0022asiapage633_250.html
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I must say that we need an entirely new article just on the conflict which occured in Xinjiang with Yaqub Beg.
http://www.chinaheritagequarterly.org/editorial.php?issue=003
http://cepsi-cipss.ca/docs/publications/CIPSS%20Working%20Paper%2025%20-%20David%20Kang%20-%20War%20and%20Peace%20in%20Early%20Modern%20East%20Asia.pdf
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15:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qing conquest of Xinjiang 

message: 伊犁将军金顺
阿拉腾奥其尔
金顺(？～1886年)
http://www.historychina.net/qsyj/ztyj/ztyjzz/2007-11-19/24499.shtml
Rajmaan (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manchu General Jinshun in Zuo Zongtang's army 伊犁将军金顺 阿拉腾奥其尔  

message: https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/清军收复新疆之战
Zuo Zongtang said that the Qing should reconquer Xinjiang since it was part of China in the Han dynasty
"汉代已隶中华，因我旧土"
http://hszz.voc.com.cn/view.php?tid=251&cid=7
http://www.tianzhilou.com/kxl/jdms/2013-12/10/content_1614094.htm
http://cul.qq.com/a/20140420/007795.htm
http://www.ilong.cn/show-137-9913-1.html
http://military.china.com/history4/62/20131010/18081309_7.html
http://www.360doc.com/content/09/0902/10/159777_5496491.shtml
http://news.xinhuanet.com/2013-08/29/c_125270752.htm
http://www.lzbs.com.cn/whsh/rwls/2013-12/30/content_3532714.htm
http://www.qinghistory.cn/qsyj/ztyj/bjmz/2007-07-25/25223.shtml
“ 漢代已隸中華,固我舊土”
http://big5.xjass.com/ls/content/2011-03/15/content_190016.htm
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https://web.archive.org/web/20110721015040/http://www.ouigour.fr/recherches_et_analyses/Garnautpage_93.pdf
Turkic Taranchis in Ili sided with Russia
http://books.google.com/books?id=tI77bC989PoC&pg=PA97#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qing reconquest of Xinjiang 

message: Article on the Dungan revolt in Shaanxi and Gansu
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/同治陕甘回变
Article on the Dungan revolt in Xinjiang
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/同治新疆回亂
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/同治新疆回变
Article on the Qing reconquest of Xinjiang
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/清军收复新疆之战
Ili crisis with Russia
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/伊犁危機
Related to this
Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1881)
Sources on Ili Crisis
http://books.google.com/books?id=778QAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA462#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=wSmal6QRlboC&pg=PA624#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://archive.org/details/turkistannotesa02schugoog
Rajmaan (talk) 06:44, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese version of the articles

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message: There seem to be multiple citations of "The Atlantic Vol. 112" with this man cited when it appears that he is considered to be a fraud.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Edmund_Backhouse,_2nd_Baronet  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AT234355 (talk • contribs) 05:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations of Sir Edmund Backhouse, 2nd Baronet. 

message: The word "Revolt" is capitalized here, but not at Dungan revolt (1895–1896). We should be consistent one way or the other. Please discuss at Talk:Dungan revolt (1895–1896)#Consistency of capitalisation. Hairy Dude (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency of capitalisation 

message: The Qing massacre of the Hui is elaborated in this article, but the Hui massacre of the Han is silent. Isn't the life of 20000000 Han people not life? The Hui launched an uprising and slaughtered 20 million Han Chinese, and the Qing army only took revenge on the Hui for the Han, what is wrong?
Those Hui, they were keen to kill, and in the end, they were also killed. Indians say it's a "causal cycle." So why only emphasize the massacre of the Hui by the Qing Dynasty?
 李双能 (talk) 02:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The whole text is full of prejudice and hostility towards the Han people