Talk:Ferengi

message: Is it really legitimate to quote Jonah Goldberg on wikipedia? The guy is a noted crazy who wrote the "Liberal Fascism" book,  which pretty much puts him somewhere between the Time Cube guy and Alex Jones in terms of ability to be taken seriously. Seriously, google the guy, he's a loony. I realise the "space jew" thing seems like its a reasonable argument, but wikipedia isn't about original research, and without a legitimate source, thats all this really is. 59.167.111.154 (talk) 03:08, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Space jews, Jonah Goldberg and credibility

message: It's noted with the quote in characteristic that the Ferengi have never had slavery in their past. Assuming Quark is even telling the truth (Ferengi not known for their honesty ;-)), it's not true. They don't seem to have a problem selling other species into slavery, an example of this being the episode 'Rascals' where the Feringi tried to sell the enterprise crew into slavery like they had done with other species. It's also noted there is no racism in Ferengi society... Sell other races into slavery is racism...
Not to mention the series of reference to near slavery with working contracts, etc etc
How is selling another race into slavery racism? Arguably, Ferengi don't have a race, anyway... as far as we can tell. I don't recall seeing any yellow, black, or brown Ferengi.
I assume you are still referring to selling species into slavery. In Rascals, the Ferengi state they do not represent the Ferengi Alliance, so this is not nor can we assume ever has been a legal practice in Ferengi law.
'Near slavery' isn't 'slavery'. The Ferengi believe in the voluntary exchange of labour, vehemently... quite the opposite of slavery. The Federation, on the other hand, is less free... as you have no choice but to use the Federation's schools, hospitals, and transport. You can't pay to use a private company. You can't earn money to leave, and have to hope the Government will give you the means to leave Earth, for example. You are a servant to the State, even if not compelled to provide labour. The State *is* compelled to provide labour in the form of healthcare, for example. If noone wants to be a doctor, then how is healthcare provided? There is only no compelled labour because voluntary labour exists... but it is not guaranteed. It would be a huge crisis if people couldn't be coerced or convinced to do essential or undesirable jobs.
Federation socialism/communism only works if people want to work or are coerced/guilted/pushed into working, to cover essential services. This is the part of Star Trek that is not covered, as it ruins the allure of socialism from an entertainment product. The State must be given absolute power over the individual to provide goods and services. If you don't want to work with the State, you have no other options. This could be viewed as a kind of slavery or bonding... unless you are given the guarantee of being given a way to leave the Federation.
Now, the Ferengi do prevent women from earning money... which is more like Islam, if we are making Earth comparisons. Social pressure to be naked, an expectation that a woman will cut up and chew a man's food, penalties for making money, being denied entry to the main 'man's' league in that game with the Nagus and Quark's mother episode. We do not hear about the serious mistreatment with regards to forced marriages, rape and rape charges, and other legal horrors that real women from Muslim (Sharia) states must endure. AndrooUK (talk) 00:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Slavery and Racism

message: I think the following statement is incorrect or at least very misleading:
The Ferengi also colloquially use the word lobes much as the word balls is used in modern English (as in, "I didn't think you had the lobes for that!!")
I always took it to mean brains or instincts or natural talent.  Most often it's "the lobes for business".  I don't see how that translates to balls.  Balls usually refers to bravery or machismo Ferengi are usually depicted as pretty cowardly.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.24.208.87 (talk) 08:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned right after discussion of their earlobes as erogenous zones, as though the phrase referred to a sexually-related part of the anatomy; but "lobes for business" does seem more like the Ferengi version of "head for business". B7T (talk) 23:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lobes = Balls

message: Is it worth mentioning Ferengi in the extended universe, including Ferengi characters developed and portrayed for years at Star Trek: The Experience athte Las Vegas Hilton?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by S31 (talk • contribs) 22:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Extended Universe

message: I miss something about how Gene Roddenberry and the Star Trek writers came along to make the ferengi. According to the TNG-episodes companion book, this race was originally created to replace the klingons as the new enemy of the Federation. First they planned to make an insect race, but they changed it due to budget costs. The ferengi turned out to be a failure. They were greedy, but so what? On the other hand, they made a much better use in DS9. Mendalus 23:58, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It was the Borg who started out as insects and were developed as a new main enemy for TNG. Marshall 20:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: In TNG S1E25 "Conspiracy" the scorpion like parasites were set up to the the main protagonists to the Federation.  However the Screen Writers Guild Strike happened and they were pressed for time to come up with a viable enemy.  Hence the Borg, which were just people with makeup and costumes on, and a simplistic cube shaped ship.  Also I think Gene Roddenberry had serious heartburn with that episode, recall that it was quite graphic and dark.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.229.177 (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Main enemy for TNG?

message: There are severe differences between TNG Ferengi and DS9 Ferengi, because the canonical concept of the Ferengi was only taking shape in TNG. For instance, the allegation that Ferengi have no concept of revenge except for schadenfreude is IMHO not true of TNG Ferengi. This discrepancy should be properly highlighted. 88.195.170.157 (talk) 10:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: TNG Ferengi vs DS9 Ferengi

message: While watching a movie from India some months back, I was struck by one word in the subtitles: Feringhee.  It was used by the native residents of an Indian village to refer to the English occupiers at the time (late 19th century).  After inquiring with several friends from India, I came to find out that the word loosely translates as, simply, "foreigner."  Also, while it is inherently a neutral term, it can sometimes have pejorative connotations.  The English at that time were often perceived as greedy, opportunistic invaders.
There may in fact be no connection whatever between "Ferengi" and "Feringhee," but the two words are unusual enough (at least to an English-speaker such as myself) that for them not to be connected would be an astronomical coincidence.
: I was just going to write the same thing :)  Maybe it was Lagaan?  My Indian sources also told me that Ferengee is a derogatory term for outsiders.  And although those subtitles spelled it ferengHee, it isn't an aspirated g, so it would be pronounced the star trek way.  And what you said. MisterSheik 04:44, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some more (cognates?) words similar to Ferengi with the same "foreigner" meaning (i.e. Amharic and Greek). Yom 13:56, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that "ferengi" (in Thailand: farang) is an Middle Eastern/Far Eastern form of the word "Frank" as in French or European. The Franks were the first Westerners to invade Arab lands and therefore all Europeans become known as Franks. Actually the ferengi might be a parody of Westerners as seen from e.g. a fundamentalist Muslim perspective. The ferengi being greedy capitalists and letting their women go naked and all that...   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.107.138.198 (talk) 19:37, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

text: ☭ Zippanova 00:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of the name "Ferengi" 

message: " Moreover, the Ferengi have never had slavery and despite the profits other races such as the Orions have made in the slave trade, having an entire class of people who would be unable to purchase goods makes the practice unsavory in Ferengi society."
What about females? Or is there a subtlety about the position of women (pre Zek/Rom reforms) that I've forgotten? pomegranate 15:37, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
:They also use Hupyrian servants, though they are not exactly slaves. Perhaps they are more like indentured servants. They are only allowed to speak to their masters and there has been no mention of payment, though that does not mean there is not any. I don't know if they must serve them for life or not either.
Several sites refer to an alliance between Ferengi and Hupyrians. The servitude may or may not be included in the alliance contract.  If it is, certain  Hupyrians may be assigned by their own government to serve high ranking Ferengi (or those favored by high ranking Ferengi) in exchange for cargo routes or supplies. These might be paid to their world by the Ferengi. This would explain why they take oaths to serve only one master, and never speak to another. This may be a contracted 'non-disclosure agreement' included in the Ferengi Alliance treaty. 
Female Ferengi are not really considered slaves by Ferengi. In the Star Trek books, they described contracts arranged by the fathers of the females for marriages (usually limited to 5 years, at which the time the contract concludes and the divorce is automatic.)  The female returns to the custody of her father. Even though foreigners consider it to resemble slavery, as I do, Ferengi consider it parental custody. They do not believe that females are smart enough to arrange marrages for themselves, and think they are doing 'the right thing '.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.157.56.227 (talk) 04:30, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery - Females? 

message: "The Ferengi realize that Humans and other species often look down on them for their ravenous profiteering and lack of independent technological or cultural achievements."
I don't think we can make that claim. Culture is a matter of opinion and the ferengi did invent the holodeck (or suite or whatever) not to mention synthehol. New technology is the source of immense profit...it simply doesn't make cultural sense that the Ferengi would be bad at it. --Atlastawake 16:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fergeni Technology 

message: I know the article is accurate but does anyone else think it's really strange that the tallest building in the Ferengi Alliance is only 40 stories tall? (This is doubly confusing as Ferengi are so short.) --Atlastawake 16:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Tower of Commerce 

message: I recall that Ferengi had a strict dress code for women.  Otherwise one might be tempted to take them off! What sexual depravity!  . Other abrahamic religions promise the loving presence of God, but Islam promises worldly success like money and women, both in this life and the next. Muslims tend to regard Merchants as being the only decent job, which is why so many of them are merchants, partly because Mohammed himself is considered an ideal, and was first a merchant, but also, when necessary, a soldier. Traditionally they have had one single religious leader who took the role after Mohammed, I think it was the Caliph, but that part is not currently in use, although there are plenty of prominent people trying to take up that role. Ferengi also have, if I recall rightly, one religious leader. I could list a number of other possible similarities, so I went to this article and saw that Ferengi is an arab word for merchant. 
Is Star Trek permitted in the muslim world? DanielDemaret 10:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabs in space? 

message: In the first contact episode with the Ferengi in TNG, didn't Commander Data state that they were much stronger than humans (while humorously lifting one completely off the ground). Shouldn't that be included in the proper section?
:*I thought it was that they were stronger than they look, not specifically stronger than humans. But it's been a while since I saw the episode. HaganeNoKokoro 01:37, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physiology 

message: Where does the list of Grand Naguses come from?  I think that most of them are non-canon. UncreativeNameMaker 21:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Grand Naguses

message: WE've got a whole section devoted to the posible etymologies of the word, yet editors keep adding possible derivations to the Trivia section. I put a hidden comment there to alert future editors that there's alrady a place for the info. Any other ideas? -Will Beback 21:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before editing this section, it would indeed be better to have scientific sources rather than guesswork, that's why I didn't. For the question at hand, see Farangi or this old sum-up of a linguistlist discussion (which mentions the Modern Greek word - not φαράγγι but φράγγος). The connection of farang, ferenghi, ifrangi, papalangi, ...... (all meaning Westerner/Europid foreigner) to the Franks seems very convincing.--87.162.27.107 (talk) 14:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You know, with all of the books written & interviews transcribed, I'm surprised that no one has bothered to document where the creators of the show got the word "Ferengi". Maybe they took the it from Arabic -- or perhaps another language which borrowed it from Arabic, like Amharic as the word "Negus" implies (which is Amharic/Tigrayan for "king"). I would tag the section with , except that there are some Wikipedians who would interpret that as a green light to delete the entire section. -- llywrch (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed, and done. - – Fayenatic (talk) 18:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad that all mention of the etymology has been removed, because it sheds an interesting light on the idea behind the Ferengi concept – the etymological origin is very much compatible with the view that the Ferengi represent a caricature of 20th-century white people (Europeans, or Euro-Americans) seen through the eyes of the indigenous peoples of Asia. Compare Farang and Franks#Legacy. Either Ferengi comes directly from Persian فرنگی, or via Hindustani/Urdu/Hindi फिरंगी (phiraṅgī) / فرنگی or via Malay ferenggi, or, in fact, South Asian/British English Firangi/Feringhee. Persian and Malay are closest in pronunciation, but the expression Firangi/Feringhee is more widely known among Anglophones. Hmmm. By the way, the term Grand Nagus (not to be confused with Grand Magus, hehe), pronounced [ɡrænd ˈneɪɡəs], indeed recalls the Ethiopian royal title Negus, as remarked above. I don't think these similarities are both coincidences, but I haven't seen any official acknowledgment of the connections, so they are strictly OR, unfortunately, which is why I'm leaving this as a talk page comment. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: What about the Ferengi Games often mentioned and played in the DS9 series? Some information about Dabo and Tongo can be found here in wikipedia, but I don't know how to spell the name of the game that Nog and Jake often mentioned to have played together.--208.247.100.130 03:38, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferengi Games? 

message: This sentence (from the second paragraph under "Ferengi Alliance" seems to have been truncated somehow:
"More recently it has been determined that you cannot make a profit if you're in which women are forbidden to wear clothing or leave the home, and can absolutely never make profit." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.165.144.200 (talk) 22:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete Sentence 

message: Second only to their focus on profit, Ferengi have the reputation for being lustful. However, most Ferengi characters we see are away from home, in environs where they are confronted with alien (clothed) females. I recall in one of their earlier TNG episodes a Ferengi explaining that they consider women wearing clothing to be vulgar or enticing since the practice essentially invites others to unclothe them, "the ultimate in perversion!" Thus, perhaps views of lustful behavior by Ferengi males should take this into account; by this hypothesis, they would show more self-restraint when among nude women (e.g. in their own society). (Although, later Ferengi see female nakedness simply as part of lower status.)128.255.137.11 02:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Females and clothing 

message: Wouldn't it stand to reason that someone would have a decent mock-up of the face make-up by this point and could feasibly release a freely licensed photo for the lead? MrZaiustalk 12:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Free image request

message: Sections on Ferenginar, Ferengi Alliance and Geography and Architecture are largely repetitious.  Also contradictory claims regarding the potency/extent of the Ferengi Alliance. --SianMycock 03:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then Wikipedia:Be bold and merge the tightly related ones together - Those four sections could easily become two. This article's very much a work in progress - only ever advised to ask permission when removing sourced information, when making controversial edits (how's that for vague?), or when making radical changes to Wikipedia:Good articles/Wikipedia:Featured articles. MrZaiustalk 07:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Repetition

message: The ship article has very limited notability, and so it would be much better here as a section of this one under their technology, could bolster this article in general. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:17, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Star Trek wiki, or another specialist wiki, may have a separate article but here I can see no reason not to merge. Also agree it could improve this article if done well Whitstable (talk) 18:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge in ship article

message: In the Star Trek: The Next Generation book "Debtors' Planet" (#30) by W.R. Thompson, the name of the Ferengi homeworld is given as Ferengal throughout the book.  I have added this non-canon name to the article.--William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 02:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-canon name for Ferenginar

message: In the Star Trek Voyager episode "Infinite Regress" it is quoted by Seven of Nine that Ferengi are Species 180. The Ferengi must have been assimilated centuries earlier to get such a low number. Might be worth putting in the article as first Alpha Quadrant species to reach the Delta Quadrant by an unknown method.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Specie8470 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 180? 

message: In DS9, while going through the wormhole Quark and some Ferengi are transported back in time to Roswell, New Mexico.  They are taken to Area 51 and questioned.  Circa 1951  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.22.231 (talk) 08:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS9 Roswell 

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replies: text: - Fayenatic (talk) 08:59, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:QuarkDS9.jpg

message: Related question at Talk:Ferenghi. --EarthFurst (talk) 11:41, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk:Ferenghi 

message: I think this text is worth including:
:When many of the Ferengi characters speak of human beings, they generally pronounce the word human as "hew-mon" instead of the traditional pronunciation. Whether this is done as an insult against humanity and by extension, the Federation, or simply a holdover from the Ferengi language and syntax is never made clear in Star Trek canon.
The Ferengi have frequently been show on-screen pronouncing "human" as a drawn-out "hew-mon", and it's a characteristic of their speech. The second sentence however could constitute WP:OR and should perhaps be left out. JIP | Talk 09:13, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: So, you want to include something for no given reason, but you know better so you don't. Ok. Aside from being uncited, the whole thing was WP:FANCRUFT WP:TRIVIA (probably why it was uncited), which is why it was deleted. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 09:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hew-mon 

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message: Currently, there is a paragraph about Ferengi immune systems:
“Ferengi have a strong immune system - during "Little Green Men" Quark is shown to be resistant to several doses of truth drug, and in "Babel" Quark is again unaffected by the Babel virus that has stricken almost the entire station, commenting smugly to Odo "you underestimate the Ferengi immune system, Constable".”
An immune system does not make a difference to a chemical/drug like a truth serum, as it does not have any living component that I am aware of. Unless I am misunderstanding the immune system, that is.
This could be rewritten to show that they have both a strong immune system and tolerance to certain harmful drugs/chemicals. The beetle snuff seems to also have some euphoric or narcotic effects, and Ferengi consume alcoholic drinks, so that would negate a strong resistance to chemicals/drugs in general, but a specific resistance to a truth serum, which is a moot point. AndrooUK (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferengi immune systems