Talk:Solifugae

message: I think the "Anatomy"  jeffsection is slightly confusing as it is.  I am offering this minor edit, primarily rearrangement with a small amount of added text. Since this page is protected, I can't edit directly:
Solifugids are moderate to large arachnids, with the larger species reaching 7 centimetres (2.8 in) in length. The body is divided into a forward part, or prosoma, and a segmented abdomen. The prosoma is divided into a relatively large anterior carapace, including the animal's eyes, and a smaller posterior section. 
While Solifuges appear to have ten legs, they actually have eight legs. The the first pair of appendages are long pedipalps, which function as sense organs similar to insects' antennae and give the appearance of an extra pair of legs. The pedipalps terminate in eversible adhesive organs which are used for climbing and to capture flying prey. These are very strong and are used for various functions such as drinking, fighting, feeding and mating.  Posterior to the pedipalps are the eight legs typical of all arachnids.  The first pair of these legs are thin and short and used as tactile organs, so that only the other posterior six legs are used for running.[3] The fourth pair of legs are the longest and strongest and carry white structures called racket organs - the purpose of which is not known. Dippenaar, A. 1993. Sunspiders - some interesting facts. African Wildlife. 47(3): 120-122.
The most distinctive feature of Solifugae is their large chelicerae, which are longer than the prosoma. Each of the two chelicerae are composed of two articles forming a powerful pincer; each article bears a variable number of teeth. They stridulate with their chelicerae, resulting in a rattling noise.[2]
Mombat (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Should this page be merged with Camel_Spider??
Pud 17:02, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge? 

message: :de:Kamelspinne suggests that Camel Spider is a name for one species of solifugid, namely Galeodes arabs. Is this true, or is the name applied indiscriminately? —Charles P. (Mirv) 07:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that first picture you see at the top of the article page would be considered a camel spider. I don't know about the "Galeodes Arabs" name but when I was over in Afghanistan we saw plenty of these things. Funny thing is, I've seen those in Arizona too. I'm not sure how to identify them by sight, so it probably wasn't the same Solifugae native to Afghanistan.  221.191.98.122 12:54, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  camel spider redux 

message: *Aruchami, M. & Sundara Rajulu, G. (1978). "An investigation on the poison glands and the nature of the venom of Rhagodes nigrocinctus (Solifugae: Arachnida)". Nat. Acad. Sci. Letters (India)l, 1:191-192. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dyanega (talk • contribs) 22:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: How do I insert a link into a text so a word or phrase becomes the link itself. When I highlight the word and click the external link icon, I don't see a dialog box asking for the http: address to be inserted. How do I get this to work??Jlujan69 11:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case of a wikilink such as 'an article on snake scales' this is how you do it! (Press edit this page to see the syntax). In the case of an http link this is how you make IT.AshLin 14:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  inserting links 

message: removed:
"Recently, there has been a study conducted at Harvard regarding this controversy: as it turns out, solifugae are able to produce saliva that both numbs feeling by killing nerve endings as well as destroy {sic} the ability to heal."
If somebody wants to clean that up and add a reference, feel free, otherwise, it's out.Anazgnos 18:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Harvard Study

message: If they like shade and the humvee was driving slow they might try to stay in the shade. --Gbleem 07:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I could beleive that ... if they can do 10 m.p.h then that's pretty reasonable! LookingYourBest 15:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  humvee running 

message: * Video of a camel spider
Why is this considered spam? --Gbleem 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:ADS - the page is full of advertising, therefore it qualifies as link spam. Dyanega 18:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a follow-up, I noticed the other video link contained ads on the page, so it will also be removed. Might as well be consistent about enforcement. If either of these were your videos, then that's a shame, but if you can find a website that does NOT contain advertising to post it on, then go ahead and do so, then link it. Dyanega 18:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not my video. I don't think you will not find many video posting sites that have no ads. The National Geographic link and the Snopes link have ads also. I also found this: "Notice on linking to YouTube, Google Video, and other similar sites: There is no ban on linking to these sites as long as the links abide by these guidelines." Wikipedia:External links--Gbleem 13:54, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't actually looked at the others - I didn't recall snopers ever having ads on their pages, but I see that they do. Guess I'll have to think over what criterion to use; it IS certainly true that the Snopes page and NG page both present a significant amount of information (where the videos don't actually say or explain anything), so I don't think they should be removed. Maybe I'll re-instate the video links, after all. I'm busy today, but maybe later. Dyanega 00:21, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  (Five years later...) That site currently doesn't have any ads, but it does receive a 'Poor' rating from WOT. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 02:06, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  spam video 

message: A human cannot run 30 miles per hour... 10 mph, maybe, but even that can be hard to achieve. (not Anjouli)
:Not to sure about "exaggerations about their... speed". I've seen them and when they move they are blindingly fast. They aren't too big, so I would guess 10mph is about right, but that's not hanging around. It's practically impossible to catch one in a net, unless you sneak up.Anjouli 19:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, most treadmills have a maximum speed of 10 mph that a lot of people do sprint training on.  Most "healthy" adults can reach up to 15 mph on average.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.54.12 (talk) 14:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed 

message: You guys might wish to remove the drawing of a Persian False Spider from the upper right of the page.
75.176.108.7 (talk) 14:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Galeodes it is a Solifugid. Any other reasons for it being "incorrect"? Shyamal (talk) 14:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I can find only one reference that ever called Solifugae "false spiders", and it was published in 1901 - the very work in which this illustration was published - in the section of the book titled "False Spiders - SOLIFUGAE". So, "false spider" is an archaic "common name" for Solifugae that hasn't been used for over 100 years. There's no reason to bring it back now. Dyanega (talk) 16:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the image could be cropped. Shyamal (talk) 16:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know how to do that, that might certainly help. ;-) Dyanega (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Image bowdlerized. I guess the "natural size" needed to go anyway. Shyamal (talk) 18:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Image 

message: Ive seen those Solifugaes, and they can get as large as 15 cm! 84.186.92.210 (talk) 17:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Recently I've had an invasion of these things in my home. One crawling on my neck last night woke me out of a dead sleep and one just crawled across my desk (which is why I came to this article), creepy damn bastards. Luckily they only seem to get up to about 2 or 3 cm where I live in New Mexico. IJB TA (talk) 06:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They really DO get fairly big, around 5-7 inches max. I came around to this from the much disputed picture of two being held by soliders. By comparing the animals to certian aspects of the pictures, (the patch was one) I figured that the lower one is at least 3 1/2 inchs. 64.134.18.24 (talk) 01:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

text: What is the source of this information? Later, this article states, "They are not especially large, the biggest having a leg span of perhaps 12 cm (4.7 in)" --FreudianSlippers (talk) 07:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size 

message: So this page is locked because people are adding erroneous information to it on purpose or are they just confused?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Texhausballa (talk • contribs) 18:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a constant stream of vandalism, mostly the urban legend crap that soldiers think is funny to put here. When every anonymous editor for four straight months is a vandal, pages tend to get protected. Dyanega (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked Page 

message: The introduction is too long and does not conform to Wikipedia's standards. Its content should be organized into sections and moved to the main article. Solian en (talk) 14:55, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction is too long 

message: thumb|The structures
I just scooped one of these guys into a jar and noticed some really strange structures on its underside. From the front the structures look mushroom shaped (they looked like suction cups at first glance), from the side they look pretty much flat and are white in color. They run from where the legs attach to the body outward, and all the way up the first section of the rear most legs. I'm not able to get a good picture of this guy yet as he is still alive but I managed to get a blurry one through a jar. Anyone have any idea what these are? IJB TA (talk) 16:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  These things have to be alien ;0) 

message: Solifugae is an order of Arachnida, containing more than 1,000 described species in about 140 genera. The name derives from Latin, and means those that flee from the sun. The order is also known by the names Solpugida, Solpugides, Solpugae, Galeodea and Mycetophorae. Their common names include camel spider, wind scorpion, jerrymuglum, sun scorpion and sun spider. In southern Africa they are known by a host of names including red romans, haarskeerders and baarskeerders, the latter two relating to the belief they use their formidable jaws to clip hair from humans and animals to line their subterranean nests.[1]
Solifugae are not true spiders, which are from a different order, Araneae. Like scorpions and harvestmen, they belong to a distinct arachnid order.
I think the "Anatomy" section is slightly confusing as it is. I am offering this minor edit, primarily rearrangement with a small amount of added text. Since this page is protected, I can't edit directly:
Solifugids are moderate to large arachnids, with the larger species reaching 7 centimetres (2.8 in) in length. The body is divided into a forward part, or prosoma, and a segmented abdomen. The prosoma is divided into a relatively large anterior carapace, including the animal's eyes, and a smaller posterior section.
While Solifuges appear to have ten legs, they actually have eight legs. The the first pair of appendages are long pedipalps, which function as sense organs similar to insects' antennae and give the appearance of an extra pair of legs. The pedipalps terminate in eversible adhesive organs which are used for climbing and to capture flying prey. These are very strong and are used for various functions such as drinking, fighting, feeding and mating. Posterior to the pedipalps are the eight legs typical of all arachnids. The first pair of these legs are thin and short and used as tactile organs, so that only the other posterior six legs are used for running.[3] The fourth pair of legs are the longest and strongest and carry white structures called racket organs - the purpose of which is not known. [1]
The most distinctive feature of Solifugae is their large chelicerae, which are longer than the prosoma. Each of the two chelicerae are composed of two articles forming a powerful pincer; each article bears a variable number of teeth. They stridulate with their chelicerae, resulting in a rattling noise.[2] Mombat (talk) 15:53, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  hey spiders 

message: Is that legit or shopped?--ILoveSky (talk) 03:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the pic of a a US Marine getting attacked by one 

message: The final paragraph in the "Urban Legends" section needs to be significantly edited, as it references an article almost based entirely on opinion. The cited article claims that an "Afghan Spider" is not only incontrovertibly poisonous, but that it used the said poison to kill the family's dog. It is later stated in the article that the dog's death is just assumed to be attributed to a spider only a 4 year old has seen... Could a 4 year old really identify an Afghanistan Camel Spider? I'm not for removing the article's reference, but rather clearly stating how it is an example of the urban legend and exaggerated image of danger a Solfugid can present. 
Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prosthetix (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The referenced article appears to contradict more reliable sources for every fact in it, and barely supports the conclusion the spider caused the death of the dog (which unless it was a pup would be unheard of). Edited to clarify this. IrregularApocalypse (talk) 20:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogus story (reference 6) 

message: The inclusion of a list of "Common Names" or alternatively redirects for such names should be considered to assist in the finding of this article. Solifugae appear widely in many countries and can therefore be known by several common or regional names, not to mention linguistic variations.
For Example:
"Rooi Roman" (Afrikaans) or "Red Roman" (English) commonly used in Southern Africa - Rooi Roman  — Preceding unsigned comment added by UseYourGreymatter (talk • contribs) 14:37, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Names 

message: provided the following:
 Solifudid species are not known to be venomous, although a couple of studies confirm that during a bite of certain species, a liquid is inserted in the prey from their chelicera, which may or may not be the venom (most likely, it simply consists of digestive enzymes, however, unlike other arachnids - for example, centipedes - solifugids insert the enzymes with the first bite). It is however confirmed that solifugids descend from a highly venomous species of arthropods and share common ancestry with the centipede, which possesses deadly venom delivered by its bites.
 The biting force of a solifugid is, however, the strongest amongst all arachnids, and the second strongest (to that of the Kamchatka crab) of all arthropods. It is known that if lifted while biting something, the solifugid can hold up to three times its body weight with its chelicera closed shut. While ants can drag objects ten times their weight, they are unable to lift them.
I dislike reverting contentious points and I cannot specifically deny every point made in the foregoing paragraphs quoted, (how to prove a negative?) but when left in doubt, that is what citations are for. I don't mind doing a bit of editing for slips and finger trouble (eg Solifudid) but after going through the foregoing quotes,I reckoned it wasn't worth it.  Kodenamezeus, if you have support material in any form we can reasonably verify, please cite it and we can have another round at tidying it up and fitting it into context. JonRichfield (talk) 06:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reluctant reversion

message: Why is there a book on pseudoscorpion biology listed as a external link for solfuges? (Weygoldt, Peter (1969). The Biology of Pseudoscorpions. Harvard University Press. .)  Makes about as much sense as including a book on hamsters in the article on dolphins.  rkent, 184.76.106.37 (talk) 02:34, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reasonable point; I had missed that one, possibly seeing it as a citation rather than just "recommended reading". I checked to confirm that it was present in the Pseudoscorpion article (it was!) and removed it from here. Thanks. JonRichfield (talk) 10:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: ...from a CNN article (referenced here):
The desert-dwelling camel spider, actually an insect rather than an arachnid...
Per WP:BOLD I decided to make it clear in the lead that they are not insects -- believe it or not some otherwise reputable reporters actually use WP for background "research".
* Added: They are not insects, and are related to, but are not true spiders.
* Also corrected a minor grammar-logic problem in 1st sentence.
~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 01:14, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  After reading this... 

message: I have reverted a claim that a British soldier's infection was the result of a Solifugid bite; the symptoms don't match anything a Solifugid bite might resemble. The effects might well be some kinds of snakebite or some kinds of spider-bite, such as some of the Sicariidae, but the only evidence adduced was the opinion of the soldier who not only was no naturalist, but said himself that he never saw what bit him. As for the remark that they might carry horrible diseases because of their carrion eating, that is as relevant to Solifugae as the fact that "His (Carnarvon's) death is most probably explained by blood poisoning (progressing to pneumonia) after accidentally shaving a mosquito bite infected with erysipelas" is to mosquito bites or razors. The entry had no value to the article and I deleted it. This is just in case anyone was in doubt about why. JonRichfield (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Daily Mail disinformation

message: I'm NOT suggesting it should be taken out because apparently it is true but do we really need a specialized word for part or segment called "tagmata" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagma_(biology)
#REDIRECT tagmata
Does Entomology want an entirely separate vocabulary like another language?
Perhaps we could call it Entish?
Q: Perhaps it's an attempt to use all Latin instead of Latin and English?
A: It's Greek so apparently not.
I actually may like it because Greek root words give glimpses into the ancient Greek mind.
It just reminds me of the Catholic Church somehow.  :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bdwomack (talk • contribs) 08:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really Entomology? 

message: As a reader who'd never heard of these creatures before, I managed to get to the end of the article only to be surprised that their physical appearance was called "bizarre".
To my mind, the pictures currently on the page don't give a very clear idea to me as a newcomer to the subject, as there are no clear full-body photos. To me, a picture more like this would have been helpful: http://biologypop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/kapak.jpg
Or perhaps this? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p0pMzlb3rco/TzkIr4ETuoI/AAAAAAAAHuk/Q9f9AYDY1FY/s1600/Camel-Spider3.jpg
Unfortunately, I don't know where to find some good public domain pictures.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.225.134.1 (talk) 09:25, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a larger, clearer image to the taxobox that shows the full body. Other images can be found at WikiCommons. --Animalparty-- (talk) 02:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, in doing so, you also removed an illustration of items explicitly referred to in the text; for one thing, it was the only illustration of a clearly male specimen. No matter, without removing your replacement, I reinstated the previous illustration where it would do most good, but please do check before being so bold! :) JonRichfield (talk) 13:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better image? 

message: What does it have to do with the sun for that name? And the Sardinian pika is also known locally as Solifughi, which also means fleeing from the sun. For it, it is chosen because they flee at the slightest signs of danger, but what about the spiders? Scottishwildcat12 (talk) 04:46, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: The introduction stated that Solifugae are more closely related to scorpions than spiders. The relationships of arachnid orders are confused and contentious with no clear consensus, and it's not at all clear that this is true. Better to leave it with the uncontroversial fact that they're neither scorpions nor spiders.Kaficek (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think the best that can be said, as per the sources at Arachnid#Phylogeny, is that they are not closely related to spiders and the other tetrapulmonates. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solifugae relationships 

message: Here is an image that I had nothing to do with, only it looks very similar to a solifugid that I captured today:
File:Birthing Camel Spider.jpg
(I also found a pregnant one.)
What type of solifugid is it? It looks like Daesiidae, but those are not common in the U.S. (where I found mine). --User123o987name (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For US solifugids, try searching here: . Note that to the untrained eye, they all look pretty similar. Dyanega (talk) 16:20, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the one I caught was Eremobates pallipes (https://extension.colostate.edu/topic-areas/insects/sunspiders-windscorpions-5-589/ - https://extension.colostate.edu/docs/pubs/insect/insimg/05589F03.jpg), and the one in the above picture looks like Eremobates pallipes too (though less striking of a resemblance when compared to the one I caught). Emerochelis bilobatus looks exactly like Eremobates pallipes if it weren't for the color difference. So if there is no species which visually looks a lot like Eremobates pallipes, I can confidently say that the one I caught and maybe also the one in the photo above is Eremobates pallipes. --User123o987name (talk) 10:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found in backyard