Talk:Hell, Michigan

message: What the heck is a "half-singed diploma"? Ivan 04:14, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)
It's a diploma that looks like it's been through a fire. Tlogmer 12:05, Mar 22, 2004 (EST)
Nevermind.
Irish Hermit 13:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Half-singed

message: I did a quick look at a few maps of the area and it would appear that there are a few interstates in the area.  However, I was wondering if there has been any move by any indivual or party to dub some form of highway as "The Highway To Hell".  I mean I know that there was a freeway in AZ, CO, NM formerly labeled as route 666 and thus "The Devil's Highway".
* The only road to and from Hell is Patterson Lake Rd., which does not directly connect with US 23, and is a municipally-owned road.  One must reach it from the Territorial Rd. exit or continue up to M-36 to access Pinckney, and then travel one of the north-south roads to connect with Patterson Lake Rd. US 23 is an interstate-grade highway with a speed limit of . U.S. 666 was once an actual highway (now part of U.S. Route 491), and my home state of Pennsylvania still has a Route 666.  A photo of the PA 666 sign was used on Hell's official website for several years. Bill S. (talk) 11:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highway? 

message: Well, being a native German speaker, I doubt the correctness of the translation "So schoene hell" as "So bright and beautiful." – Apart from a minor grammatical incorrectness, most probably it would have been "So schön hell" (or, schoen when using the correct umlaut-transliteration), hell is a German adjective meaning bright or light, but not beautiful. Schön is indeed meaning beautiful but in this context it's just used as an adjective-modifier to put emphasis on the adjective bright/light. Therefore, a better translation of "So schön hell" would be "So nicely bright" or "So lovely light" ... :-) MikeZ 10:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just thought I'd note this here. The phrase "So schoene hell" sounds like the English words "So shines (or shone) Hell." And the translation refers to beauty and brightness. An odd little concidince I thought I'd mention. -- Auric 19:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was supposed to be “gell” (roughly translates as “right?” or “Don’t you think?” It was misheard as “hell.”  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.255.193.106 (talk) 16:53, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "So schoene hell" -- roughly translated as, "So bright and beautiful." 

message: There is also an annual bike ride to Hell called "One Helluva Ride" sponsored by the Ann Arbor Bicycle Touring Society (http://www.aabts.org/) -- Jsauter 16:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Helluva Ride 

message: 74.70.57.209 22:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hahahaha 

message: Don't know how to word it, but the "unofficial population" is a joke. It's presented as if it were factual, though other similar claims are acknowledged as jokes. kwami (talk) 08:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  population 

message: I've never edited Wikipedia, and am not really sure how to do it. But, Hell, Michigan was referenced in episode 820:Space Mutiny of Mystery Science Theater 3000. The host of the show says "Crow! Servo! What the Hell, Michigan is going on?"
Here's a link Searching for "Hell" in the page will lead you to it. Just thought I'd see if anyone thought it was interesting enough to add to the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.219.91.186 (talk) 08:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More popular culture 

message: A passing one liner in a BBC news report does not really fit with "Popular culture".  It isn't even approaching the record low for the area. (see Ann Arbor, Michigan#Climate).  The resturant promos were over a period of time and by nature, nationwide on the media. The Travel channel show was a whole segment.  The movie was set there.  Someone told a lame joke about the weather.  Not really the same thing.  It is just  trivia.  See the city article guidelines for a discussion of popular culture vs. trivia. John from Idegon (talk) 09:58, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  January 2014 addition to "Popular culture" section 

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message: Change Government position of Mayor to one Elijah Daniel, as he was proclaimed mayor on 30th August 2017. Can be verified at this source; https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/902973541058039808 JoelHutton (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not report on self-declared mayorships by comedians. The article is protected because of the rash of unsourced garbage about this. Meters (talk) 19:51, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017 regarding leadership of Hell, Michigan 

message: As of today (8-30-17), internet comedian Elijah Daniel has been proclaimed the official Mayor of Hell, Michigan.
https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/902973541058039808
 Asked and answered. Meters (talk) 20:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017 

message: Add that as of August 30th, 2017, Elijah Daniel is the mayor. https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/902973541058039808 ReidSandlund (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: TimothyJosephWood 20:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2017 

message: Folks, he's not the mayor. It's an unincorporated community so it does not have a mayor. Daniel is a comedian who has declared himself to be the mayor. The article has been protected because of the multiple attempts to add this. Stop asking to have his mayorship added. Multiple requests are not going to change anything. Meters (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not really self-declared. "It's part of Hell's "Mayor for a Day" attraction in which guests can pay $100 to watch over the city for 24 hours." If it was presented in that context, it could be a useful addition to the article.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/08/mayor_of_hell_bans_all_straigh.html
http://www.gotohellmi.com/store/p105/Mayor_of_Hell_for_the_Day.html
98.201.215.34 (talk) 09:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The key word is promotion. Not our job. This community is pushing on 200 years old. Something that happened on one day, as a self-seeking publicity stunt, is totally irrelevant in the bigger picture of things. WP:RECENT and WP:NOTNEWS clearly apply. John from Idegon (talk) 16:56, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elijah Daniel  

message: ADD TO NOTABLE PEOPLE -or- HISTORY:
YouTuber Elijah Daniel was sworn in as mayor on August 30, 2017. After being sworn in, he released a heterosexual ban, using almost entirely the same wording as Donald Trump's Muslim ban. Within an hour, Daniel was impeached. NateSalsbu (talk) 22:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See the previous four threads. Meters (talk) 22:27, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 August 2017 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm going to remove the alternate name "Hiland Lake". This is sourced to USGS GNIS, but we don't use GNIS for deciding what name to use in our articles. No one calls it Hiland Lake, and none of the reliable secondary sources use that name. Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiland Lake 

message: I am very skeptical of this edit: . Since this is a quote, this edit can only have been made by someone with access to the source. The source is a web page at hell2u.com, which is currently a redirect to gotohellmi.com. I have been unable to find an archived copy. But gotohellmi.com has a different version of the Reeves story: "George's habit of paying local farmers with homemade whiskey made many wives to comment 'He's gone to Hell again' when questioned about their husband's wherabouts during harvest time.". Neither one of these web sites could be considered RS anyway. So I'm tempted to remove the quote. Kendall-K1 (talk) 15:42, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reeves origin story 

message: Someone just bought the City of Hell, in Michigan and renamed it Gay Hell. Just thought it should be changed 74.116.154.220 (talk) 12:32, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. See discussion immediately above this request. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:01, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The question of changing the town's name in Wikipedia has been discussed at the help desk. So far, two users have been blocked and the page has been placed under extended confirmed protection. If the renaming was intended as a sort of a joke or a political protest, and if it has nothing to do with the actual town of Hell, then our usual policies might not favor including mention of it in the article on the town. Whether to put this protest-renaming-joke in the article on Elijah Daniel, who originated the idea, could be an easier question. EdJohnston (talk) 19:13, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 June 2019 

message: Zaniewski, Ann, YouTuber's claim to 'Gay Hell,' Mich. to last 3 days — but still has big impact, Detroit Free Press, June 18, 2019
This was a publicity stunt and a joke. No money changed hands. Daniel did not actually buy the unincorporated community or even its business district. I see no need to mention this in the article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:56, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's probably relevant on Daniel's article, but not here (as discussed above). — Lauritz Thomsen (talk) 04:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. Well, he fooled the BBC, which is still linking it from the main North America news page. I think the point about it being possible to buy a day as mayor, and Daniel's 2017 gesture, should be reinstated using that source and whatever it links to. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an unincorporated community, a tiny tourist hamlet. It has no actual mayor and no local government. The tourist businesses are owned by a guy who calls various people "mayor" for publicity reasons. It is as legitimate as the Ye Olde West-type wanted posters they sell at various tourist attractions. You put on a cowboy hat, a vest and a revolver, someone takes your photo and all of a sudden, you, too are "Wanted Dead or Alive". Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:37, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Jim. This is a clear violation of WP:NOT, which I might remind you is a pillar policy. John from Idegon (talk) 03:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I do need to correct one thing though. Hell is not a tourist attraction. It's a sleepy little wide spot in the road. It's at least 10 miles from the nearest state highway and about the same from I-94. There are not billboards on the highway compelling one to visit Hell. There's a bar, a small store that has a postal substation in it, an ice cream shop and the kitsch business owned by the guy that is trying to monetize the town's name. Its primary purpose is to service the summer homes on the small lake near there, but those are dwindling fast. John from Idegon (talk) 03:25, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've been there, years ago. However, when the BBC writes about how the position of mayor for a day is being sold, I hardly see it as a WP:NOT violation to put that in the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Any mention of the credulous BBC "human interest" coverage should be secondary to the Detroit Free Press coverage, written by a reporter who actually understands the stunt. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

text: you should look up "incredulous". The Detroit Free Press article confirms the mayor for a day for money thing ("In 2017, [Daniel] became mayor for a day (an honor anyone can have for 100 bucks)"). That article also confirms that Colone had previously sought a buyer for his properties and "the rights to merchandise and Hell-themed slogans"; it is not true that communities are never bought and sold, those that have a single landowner do change hands, and in this case the BBC guy misinterpreted Colone's ownership of a bunch of businesses and, as you referred to in your earlier response, his monetizing the place's name and thought the entire place was indeed for sale. Not "nothing" and not total bullshit. We should have the mayor for a day for money thing in the article, as I said above. We have two news sources for it. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

text: And if it were some united civic effort, I could possibly be persuaded. But it's not. It is one clown promoting a circus that isn't his to promote. And another clown trying to parlay that into his cause. It isn't about the community. Feel free to write an article on Colone and include it there. Jim's analogy of the old west wanted posters you can get in many tourist traps (Virginia City, Nevada; Deadwood, South Dakota and Tombstone, Arizona to name a few) is spot on. It's 100% bullshit and it is the kind of thing that will ensure people will continue not to take Wikipedia seriously (like we dont already have plenty of recent reasons for people not to). John from Idegon (talk) 05:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three day publicity stunt 

message: The fact that the local ice cream/gift shop sells a "mayor for the day of hell" service has been covered by enough notable sources including the USA Today, Current Magazine, New York Post, CNN, People, among others, to be notable for inclusion in the article. Famous people/animals like comedian Elijah Daniel, YouTube star Tom Scott, and Tiktok star Jinx the Cat have all been written about regarding this tourist attraction. It seems this attraction is now notable enough to warrant at least a brief mention in the article. Yes, it might not have been notable as of 2019 but that seems to have changed based on current Wikipedia results. 2600:1700:56A0:4680:184D:2B81:2A1C:EAA7 (talk) 05:47, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hell, Michigan  Mayor for a day attraction has now been noted by enough reliable sources to warrant a brief mention as of 2023 

message: Hell is in Putnam Township, Livingston County, and about  south of Howell, the county seat.  Based on satellite views, the area is heavily forested.  Hell's business district is centered along Patterson Lake Road about  northwest of Ann Arbor and  northeast of Halfmoon Hills. Hell is about  west-northwest of Detroit,  southeast of Lansing,  east-southeast of Grand Rapids, and  south of Mackinaw City.
Lytzf (talk) 07:02, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography