Talk:Shirō Ishii

message: Shiro's year of birth in the article differs from the year in the category. Which is the correct one? --Mooky 01:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lumber yard story was specifically a cover for one facility - either the one at Pingfan or the earlier one at Zhongma; I don't recall which.  As a military unit, 731's cover story was water purification.  Doktor Wunderbar (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency 

message: Removed from the article: :Category:Japanese serial killers (does not fit the definition), :Category:Child killers (may or may not fit the definition but is not sourced). Added instead: :Category:War criminals. GregorB 19:36, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: "Ishii and his peers called maruta (丸太; "logs," a reference to their view of subjects being inert, expendable entities)". In Factories of Death by Sheldon Harris, he states that the subjects were called logs because one of Unit 731's cover stories in Ping Fan was that there was a lumber mill on the site. Subjects would then be transferred to the compound in trains that appeared to be carrying logs. If someone has a competing source, I'd like to see it cited. Otherwise, it should be changed. RobertM525 18:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maruta 

message: "One of the most purely evil men to ever have lived, his name will be recorded in the annals of infamy until the end of time" is stated at the beginning of the article. The sentence is totally speculative and has no informational value at all. Regardless of what the man did, this is no more than a personal opinion and as such should not be included into the encyclopedia article.Taleyran (talk) 01:38, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evilness 

message: I deleted a part that was from the splatter film Men Behind the Sun, it is no documentary at all and can't be seen as a text worthy being a part of a biography of this man.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.84.98 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted 

message: This dirtbag Ishii was a real disgusting psychotic alright, but what led him to be such an insane monster?  Was it something in his early childhood?  What were his parents like?  Any info out there on his upbringing, early life, etc.?  108.237.241.88 (talk) 11:12, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: I have doubt about this.From my Question to the Japanese Embassy in Berlin/Germany there answered  he is buried in a Shinto Shrine near Tokyo.It means he wasnt convert.Please explain,tx. Juergen Schoefer--112.201.218.182 (talk) 11:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You information is incorrect. Nobody is ever "buried" at a Shinto shrine. Death is an impurity, and is not tolerated within Shinto precincts. Now, he may be enshrined as kami (god or spirit) particularly at Yasukuni shrine. To the Shinto priests there, it does not matter what religion he (or anyone) is (especially since most Japanese are at least nominally Buddhist), or even nationality. The spirits of Koreans and Taiwanese fought for Japan (willingly or not) have been enshrined as Shinto kami. See Controversies surrounding Yasukuni Shrine. In summary, yes it is perfectly reasonable that he was converted to Christianity, and after he died, his spirit may have been "enshrined", and subsequently venerated, at a Shinto shrine. Instead of explaining all this to you, your informant may have told you that Ishii was "buried at a shrine" for the sake of convenience and brevity. Boneyard90 (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

text: No problem! Boneyard90 (talk) 15:37, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity 

message: General Ishii was put in charge of all biological weapons research after his immunity!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clayt0wns (talk • contribs) 19:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he wasn't.  I can find only one source (a newspaper column by historian Richard Drayton) that claim Ishii went to Maryland as an advisor on biological weapon research (even if this is true it's hardly the same as being in charge of all biological weapons research).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.158.16.37 (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head of bioweapons in America 

message: Because that's how it looks like to me. He experimented on numerous individuals, just like Joseph Mengele. —  Ark25  (talk) 18:13, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The category page specifically says, "This category is not to be used for those who carried out massacres in service of a state." 108.34.186.243 (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  He doesn't belong to the [[:Category:Mass murderers]]? 

message: Anyone up for the challange?
I feel like some light should be shed on the involvement of his family. Please see following excerp from the book "Unit 731: Laboratory of the Devil" (Ch. 2 Shiro Ishii and His Followers):
"The three brothers were permanent members of Unit 731, and Shiro Ishii used the relationship between family, intermarriage, clan, teacher-student, and classmates to build Unit 731. This recruitment method enabled Unit 731 to continually strengthen its military power, confidentiality, and peculiarity."
Anyone else who see how this could be important to include on this wikipage or at least very interesting? It gives many hints on how things worked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.192.220 (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family 

message: I think that the link to the "Mengele" Wikipedia page (WP) should be included, since Ishii and Mengele are comparable in my opinion.
On the "Mengele" WP, a List of Nazi Doctors makes sense. 
Here is doesn't make sense.
Other such doctors (e.g., Ishii's co-workers) should be individually listed too,
since this is a page about an individual.
In this article, a List of Nazi Doctors is inappropriate. 
The List of Nazi Doctors doesn't (but should) show the accusations and convictions.
For example, the first entry in the List of Nazi Doctors and several others don't show accusations and convictions of
the respective individual and lead to an empty page.
It is not clear whether all doctors on the list are criminals as Ishii was.
A list of known doctors who have participated in similar crimes as Ishii's would make sense however. 
[e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study and links to other crimes on that page]
[a] Ishii was no German Nazi. Most likely no Nazi at all.
Ishii can never be on that list.
[b] The List of Nazi Doctors is fundamentally OFF-TOPIC. 
This article is not about Germany, not about Nazism.
It would be much more appropriate to include a List of Doctors who worked at Ishii's unit, or similar units.
Or an "international" list of such evil doctors as mentioned above.
[c] Essentially, this link is a deflection, as if the only (yes it was) empire of evil ever was Nazi Germany.
[d] In my opinion, this link is "permanent" compulsory German-guilt induction
(similar to the compulsory pattern that all discussions about evil things lead to Hitler),
anti-German propaganda (deliberately included in this alien context) (no German crime is denied),
and, effectively, anti-German hate speech.
LMSchmitt 22:24, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Points "c" and "d" are rather presumptuous, aren't they? Good faith should be assumed. The activities (I won't specifically call them "crimes" simply because many, like Ishii, were never charged) were similar, took place across the same time period, and the Germans and Japanese were allies; it is not at all unreasonable to imagine a person adding the link in good faith, thinking it makes for relevant cross-reference material. I agree that the list is off-topic and should not be there, but there is no evidence anyone is trying to taint the article with "anti-German propaganda" or "hate speech". WP Ludicer (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The link to a List of Nazi Doctors should be removed from this article. 

message: The article currently states that he was born in Shibayama, Chiba. However, I can't find many sources confirming that. I only found this Globe Live Media article and this Medium article confirming it.
Meanwhile, the book Factories of Death (cited in this article) claims that he was born in Chiyoda Mura (Chiyoda Village) near Yotsukaidō. Other sources also claim this, such as Encyclopedia Britannica, this Medium article and this thesis. Other sources, such as American Experience, just say "near Tokyo". ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 17:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting sources on place of birth 

message: Wasn't this guy a piece of trash who tortured people to death? Why are there only, like, two sentences about that part? It seems like it should warrant a little more mention. Currently, we say "", which is kind of a strange way to refer to (as far as I can tell) committing mass murder. jp×g🗯️ 06:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of messed-up stuff in the article