Talk:Alice's Adventures in Wonderland

message: Q: "Why is a raven like writing desk?" 
A: "They both have quills." 
The question was asked in "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" in 1865. 
I came up that answer 50 years ago, but people still ask the question.
161.97.246.51 (talk) 14:42, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ravens don't have quills. A feather isn't a quill, until made into a pen Timmytimtimmy (talk) 11:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Chambers dictionary disagrees with you. FangoFuficius (talk) 11:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is a raven like a writing desk? 

message: Considering the people who are listed as illustrators... why does the list of publications not reflect this? Timmytimtimmy (talk) 11:19, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications timeline 

message: In the "Illustrations" section, it says the second printing happened in 1866. In the "Publication history" section it says the second printing happened in 1865. Which one is correct? Nosferattus (talk) 07:57, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory information 

message: Hey,
I got told by someone I need to use the article talk page and gain a consensus and that any contentious material requires a consensus.
Consensus on this stuff i guess tell me if thsi works for you all ro if this is a bad fix up:
===Critical Reception===
=== 19th Century Reception ===
Alice reception upon release has been open to much debate as many say it was received generally positive upon release and generally negatively upon release.
Alice, was, based on many 21st century discussions, published to generally positive reviews. One magazine declared it "exquisitely wild, fantastic, [and] impossible". Other magazines such as Aunt Judy’s Magazine and John Bull were very positive of the work. In a negative review from The Ath upon the books release, they stated, "We fancy that any real child might be more puzzled than enchanted by this stiff, over-wrought story."
In the late 19th century, Walter Besant wrote that Alice in Wonderland "was a book of that extremely rare kind which will belong to all the generations to come until the language becomes obsolete".
=== 20th Century Reception & Views on Inital Reception===
Many magazines in the 20th century and 21st saw Alice as received negatively upon release.  While there were many who were extremely critical of the work upon release, it also received praise. Despite this, a major focal point became the criticism to a point where the book was seen as been considered to have an infamous reception upon release and was later re-envaulted in the sense that the work was never considered "great literature" upon release and by others that it was not met "with much enthusiasm".  These views of the works reception have made the works reception upon release quite debatable.
Despite this discussion, the work garnered acclaim throughout the 20th century.
F. J. Harvey Darton argued in a 1932 book that Alice ended an era of didacticism in children's literature, inaugurating a new era in which writing for children aimed to "delight or entertain". In 2014, Robert McCrum named Alice "one of the best loved in the English canon" and called it "perhaps the greatest, possibly most influential, and certainly the most world-famous Victorian English fiction". A 2020 review in Time states: "The book changed young people's literature. It helped to replace stiff Victorian didacticism with a looser, sillier, nonsense style that reverberated through the works of language-loving 20th-century authors as different as James Joyce, Douglas Adams and Dr. Seuss." The protagonist of the story, Alice, has been recognised as a cultural icon. In 2006, Alice in Wonderland was named among the icons of England in a public vote.
F. J. Harvey Darton argued in a 1932 book that Alice ended an era of didacticism in children's literature, inaugurating a new era in which writing for children aimed to "delight or entertain".
=== Legacy===
In 2014, Robert McCrum named Alice "one of the best loved in the English canon" and called it "perhaps the greatest, possibly most influential, and certainly the most world-famous Victorian English fiction". A 2020 review in Time states: "The book changed young people's literature. It helped to replace stiff Victorian didacticism with a looser, sillier, nonsense style that reverberated through the works of language-loving 20th-century authors as different as James Joyce, Douglas Adams and Dr. Seuss." The protagonist of the story, Alice, has been recognised as a cultural icon. In 2006, Alice in Wonderland was named among the icons of England in a public vote.
Themashup (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the extensive discussion on your user talk, too. Without scrutinizing the sources, etc., my overall impression was that it was a large volume of content which might be approaching original research. A better solution might be to identify one or two sources that have themselves already summarized what you're attempting. My two cents.   signed, Willondon (talk)  22:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea but I just dont feel like doing all that right now. Prob gonna forget about this soon. Only use wiki anyway now to add stuff missing to help scholars or inform people from misinfo I see or whatever so theres some correct info out there. But the work that goes into it isnt for me. If you want to you can, but im just too lazy to do so which is weird since i could write so much but not 2 sentences but 2 sentences just that idea just bores me. Vibes. Themashup (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception Change 

message: In 2014, Robert McCrum named Alice "one of the best loved in the English canon" and called it "perhaps the greatest, possibly most influential, and certainly the most world-famous Victorian English fiction". A 2020 review in Time states: "The book changed young people's literature. It helped to replace stiff Victorian didacticism with a looser, sillier, nonsense style that reverberated through the works of language-loving 20th-century authors as different as James Joyce, Douglas Adams and Dr. Seuss." The protagonist of the story, Alice, has been recognised as a cultural icon. In 2006, Alice in Wonderland was named among the icons of England in a public vote.
Themashup (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the extensive discussion on your user talk, too. Without scrutinizing the sources, etc., my overall impression was that it was a large volume of content which might be approaching original research. A better solution might be to identify one or two sources that have themselves already summarized what you're attempting. My two cents.   signed, Willondon (talk)  22:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea but I just dont feel like doing all that right now. Prob gonna forget about this soon. Only use wiki anyway now to add stuff missing to help scholars or inform people from misinfo I see or whatever so theres some correct info out there. But the work that goes into it isnt for me. If you want to you can, but im just too lazy to do so which is weird since i could write so much but not 2 sentences but 2 sentences just that idea just bores me. Vibes. Themashup (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy