Talk:Ultraman (1966 TV series)

message: Whoever keeps swapping the title card with the picture of Ultraman and Gyango.
Stop!!!
The title card goes on the top, all other pictures belong on the bottom!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00717F (talk • contribs) 04:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Stop Changing the damn title card!

message: No two Ultraman shows seems alike from my watching of the series, the show could be carried without help(lets not hope not). I think it should be noted that every Ultraman series differs from the other shows in the Japan because it lacks an everyplot thus making it similar to shows like the X-files and Star Trek rather than the stock Kaiju shows in Japan. Anyone else agree? Although Ultraman episodes end with him beating the monster, he does it in different ways. Sometimes they don't fight at all...sometimes the science patrol wins with minimal help from red and silver etc etc.
*I absolutely disagree... Original Ultraman is just a weekly monster-a-day show. I love the shows, but the originals are just same old every generation. Suredeath 13:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's not, Shin-chan's favorite hero is called Action Kamen -- Zaim
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Answers for Zoe from Joe Sewell, editor/author of The Ultra[man] FAQ:
#VTOL stands for Vertical Take-Off and Landing.  It refers to an aircraft that can lift off and land without a runway.  The vehicle Hayata was in was called a Jet VTOL, often mispronounced "Jet Beetle" (since Japanese has no real "V" sound).
#The @ is, indeed, not correct; my recent edit corrects this.
#I suspect the comment about the last sentence refers to a previous version, but just in case it's still not clear ... Series in Japan tend not to be renewed, as they are in the United States of America, but get sequel series.  For example, Dragon Ball Z is a sequel series to the original Dragon Ball.  The various Ultra-series were, for the most part, sequels to their predecessor(s).
#Ultraseven is the second "Ultra-brother" to appear.  The series of the same name was the sequel to Ultraman.  Neither Ultraman nor Hayata appeared in Ultraseven, although both appeared in later series.  Perhaps I should create a list of all the different series and/or Ultras in each one?  (Oh, there can be more than one Ultra around, too; each one is a separate individual.)
Joe Sewell 16:22, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm relatively new here, so I probably should let one of the "experts" handle this, but as I understand it, you might be better off uploading those pictures to a more private area, such as one of the Yahoo! Groups that deal with Ultraman. --Joe Sewell 21:00, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No complaints were heard on the Dutch wiki where I put the picture on my personal page, so I just go for it. Waerth 08:26, 3 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I type corrected, then.  Go for it! --Joe Sewell 13:29, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Better storyline than the sentai shows?

message: Can the anon in the 61 range please stop removing the picture on this page?? thx. Waerth 12:37, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing picture

message: I noticed that some contributors cut out much of the parts that explain Godzilla in them (BTW, these were my contributions).
I don't exactly know why people have issues with my mentioning Godzilla in this Ultraman article.  I'm thinking maybe because he doesn't "fit in" the superhero agenda (especially since the original Ultraman is, first and foremost, a science fiction series, not just a superhero show).  Maybe I'm telling people what they don't want to hear - the truth.
Then you're going to find that Godzilla will get quite a bit of mention in the Ultraman article, becuase his (and other Toho tokusatsu) influence to the original series (and perhaps the entire Ultra Series) cannot be denied.  For several reasons, which I intend to include in the article:
*He and Ultraman were created by Japan's FX wizard Eiji Tsuburaya (this was already covered in the article).
*He inspired the many maurauding monsters on the show, just like in Ultra Q. (In fact, like said show, some people in Japan call Ultraman a "giant monster show", which it essentially is!)
*Like in Ultra Q, he made an appearance on the show (as another monster).
*He and Ultraman are the two greatest tokusatsu icons in and out of Japan, especially in America.  (And besides, how many people in the US even know about Kamen Rider, Japan's other greatest superhero, and not confuse him with Ultraman?)
I am in no way trying to push Godzilla on Ultraman fans.  I am a very big fan of both Godzilla and Ultraman (not to mention Eiji Tsuburaya).  It cannot hurt to do an analysis of Godzilla's influence on the creation and being of Ultraman (and it's been done many times by Japanese fans also).  You could be doing the same thing by comparing this show (as well as Ultra Q and Ultra Seven) to shows by Gerry Anderson, which were also an influence to this show (which is evident, as Eiji was a big fan of his shows).
What do you think?
Ryuuseipro
:I'd have to go back through the history to see just how much got cut, but it's pretty obvious that this page is slowly mutating to something beyond a description of the entire genre.  I agree that Godzilla is an important influence, especially in the USA, but I'm not sure now how it would fit in.  I would suggest omitting the part about Godzilla "making an appearance on the show." --Joe Sewell 16:18, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with Godzilla? 

message: I'm the guy who keeps adding heaping portions of detail on the original Ultraman over the past few months (since about December 2005), and as time permits, I continue to flesh out individual monsters and the episode plots each was a part of. I hope that's okay with the "keeper" of this page; I'm not sure if that person is Joe Sewell, who I see has numerous entries in the discussion section. Bottom line, I do not mind if these entries are eventually incorporated into the Ultraman page instead of remaining separate. I just figured the Ultraman page itself was getting kind of overloaded (and that's partly my fault as well, for adding several entries on Ultraman's powers.) - MattBattison
5/22/06: I realize that someone else here is also going to the trouble of describing some of these monsters. That's great, in terms of cutting down my work and still achieving the objective of being informative about Ultraman monsters. I would just ask that whomever is erasing my descriptions completely, sometimes replacing them (Gomora), sometimes not (Hidora), please consider incorporating what I have written along with any information like the "stats." A detailed description of the plot for Gomora was blown away in favor of a completely different account of it, and many of the details were lost. Where I come from, that's not editing. The two accounts could have been merged to flesh out more details overall. I did the same in some pre-existing descriptions for other Ultraman monsters; where someone else's description was sufficient, I either added to it (Z-ton) or left it completely alone (Baltan). At least the Gomora description is on the mark. My description of Hidora was simply deleted.
I have also noticed "flags" on other entries I have made for monsters (such as Dorako) suggesting that I incorporate the information into the Ultraman page. If the "keeper" of all things Ultraman on Wikipedia wishes to do so, I have no objection. I will not do it myself, partly out of respect to those who constructed the Ultraman page in the first place, and partly out of my newness to the system and etiquette. I wouldn't want to presume how they would like the information (re-)organized, while still presented in its entirety.
I have also received a flag on my Bullton entry to "wikify" the monster description. Again, I'm not a battle-tested veteran of Wikipedia, but I believe I have followed the instructions. My entry may not have all the bells and whistles that the Baltan and Bemular entries have -- I do not own the rights to pictures of any of these monsters -- but it remains functional. By all means, if there's something missing from the structure of this entry, please respond here in specifics, and I will do what I can.
I have read the rules, and parroted existing structure as a primer for learning the system, but if someone wants to contribute pointers or work further on what i have contributed that's fine with me -- hopefully they do so without completely destroying information I have provided. - MattBattison
6/14/06: I think I'm done helping out. Paging through to see what's happened lately, I noticed that descriptions I left for Aboras and Bullton have been linked in a vicious circle back to the Ultraman page, instead of to the information I wrote. I could understand if it linked to better substantiated info, but the current set-up is a disservice to everybody. I have also been asked to document/cite sources my entry for Banila. I watched the video and took notes. That's about as direct a form of documentation as I can provide, but I realize that may not be what Wikipedia expects. Oh well. I guess some badly translated Japanese account of the episode will be cited sometime later, and that will have to suffice. Siyonara. - MattBattison
: Have you thought to even try and confront the person doing so? Or, as I would suggest, making a single "Ultra Kaiju" article? -- Majin Gojira 18:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, MattBattison. I noticed the absurd situation in re the Ultramonsters on this page just the other day. Click on any one of them and you are redirected back to this same page. This is clearly wrong. I see now that you had individual articles for each of the monsters. I think this is fine. Or, as Majin Gojira suggests, one Ultra-monster article with some sort of table/description/image (if we dare) on each of them. Either way would work, but the present re-redirecting situation certainly does not work. Most of the redirects were done without justification, I notice one says "not notable." I would question that. And if these monster characters are determined to be not notable, certainly a group "Ultra kaiju" would still be justified. -- Rizzleboffin 18:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I jumped the gun and already started to work on one, though my knowledge is very limited, it's little more than an incomplete list of Ultraman monsters - Majin Gojira 15:21, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultraman monsters 

message: Ever heard of Ultraman Shadow?He is the evil ultraman zearth.67.175.138.202 02:36, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ultraman Shadow

message: Seo Taiji (a huge korean rockstar) has an album with a song called Ultramania which deals with Ultraman.
I don't know if it should be mentioned here though... a link to translated lyrics are: http://taijimania.org/english/html/album6.htm#7 85.8.13.99 22:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seo Taiji Album/Song Ultraman 

message: I see several references to "Zoffy" in the article but there is no explanation or link of who he is.
:In answer to your question, Zoffy appears in the original Ultraman television series, though he is not identified as such. He was Ultraman's mentor, and he rescues Ultraman after his battle with Zetton (Z-ton). Some sources, although I cannot confirm them, have claimed he is a relative, possibly Ultraman's big brother, cousin, or uncle. He is very similar in appearance to Ultraman, but has a series of rivet-like bumps in a U-shape across his chest. MattBattison 13:15, 11 July 2007
::The references you mention are plentiful; they come often from "background story" provided unofficially by Tsuburaya Productions or some of their employees, though some of the manga stories claim to include some of the back-story as well. Whether they're considered canonical or not is up to the individual. --Joe Sewell (talk) 16:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Zoffy? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Ultraman logo.jpg

message: I believe the notation that Arashi was called "Iyoshi Ishii" in the US is incorrect. The actor may have been called that, but the character's name was rendered Arashi, even in the US. (This is from memory, though, so I cannot provide citations to "prove" it.) --Joe Sewell (talk) 16:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arashi in the US 

message: I heard that this show was brought to the U.S. during the time the 1960s Batman television series went on the air, but never did succeed well enough to have several its successors brought outside of Japan until one or two others like Ultraman Tiga came over. I looked in this article and don't see any information about the show's runs outside of Japan, should this article include information about the U.S. version or not? Parrothead1983 (talk) 03:36, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The original Ultraman show in the U.S. 

message: This article definitely deserves a good fair use image.  I have taken a screenshot I think is especially illustrative since it shows Ultraman in the context of a fight with a monster amid buildings to demonstrate scale.  I think the picture would actually serve as a much better main image than the current logo, but am adding it lower in the text to ask for comments before replacing the current one. μηδείς (talk) 00:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We've had slow motion edit warring over this for almost three years now.  This is the English wikipedia, and an illustrative image for the infobox is appropriate.  The Japanes title will be meaningless to most readers of the article, and conveys no informations about the title character or the nature of the show. μηδείς (talk) 19:47, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, why can't we have a title card at the top instead of a picture. All the other "Ultra" Pages have title cards at the top. Why not Ultraman. 00717F (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly you're both wrong. The title card should be in the infobox itself and it does not matter that it's in Japanese. It still illustrates the article by identifying the subject.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:19, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  image 

message: Currently, for the episode list of Ultraman, the 1996 film Revive! Ultraman is listed as the 40th episode.... which it isn't. I've personally never seen Tsuburaya Productions list it as a 40th episode of the original Ultraman.
I thought that I should post something here before removing it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zemistar (talk • contribs) 23:45, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "40th Ultraman Episode". 

message: Seriously, why can't we have a title card at the top instead of a picture. All the other "Ultra" Pages have title cards at the top. Why not Ultraman. Continuity people!.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 00717F (talk • contribs) 22:56, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As you see, we have had the title card at the top for a few weeks with ultraman's image.  I prefer the English card, but will leave the Japanese card since the English name is given.  In any case, readers should see the image of ultraman himself, since they may recognize it while not recognizing the japanese title card. μηδείς (talk) 18:51, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox is not the place for such content as it is not indicative of the entirety of the program. The screenshot works fine in the article proper, though.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:01, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Medeis, stop putting the Gyango screencap in the infobox and stop moving the title cards around.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:02, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Can't We Have a Title Card at the Top? 

message: I came here to find out about the race in Hawaii. Normally there is a link at the top of the page if you go to the wrong page with the same title, but I can't find out where the Ultraman race is. Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.154.129.119 (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the article about the race? 

message: Please do not add images described as public domain that were made in the 1960, or describe as "screenshots" unlicensed images taken from commercial websites. See WP:FAIRUSE. μηδείς (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What do these things matter? If it's a screenshot it's a screenshot. You just seem to be intent at this stage on keeping the Gyango one on the article because you uploaded it 3 years ago.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:05, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

text: I've replaced the image with one that is completely different, has proper sourcing, and shows the character more clearer than either your screencap or the ones uploaded by Teridax. Now drop it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

text: The screenshot sucks. The convention pic has the main character front and center. We don't need an "action" shot. - Strongjam (talk) 01:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use (1) only allows one picture, and (2) requires that it illustrate some relevant aspect of the subject discussed in the text.  That Ultraman is a giant being who fights godzilla-like monsters is a relevant aspect mentioned in the text, the Tokyo festival is not--that picture of two people on a stage in a convention hall would be fine for an article on the Tokyo festival. Complaining about the quality of the picture is off topic, only low-res cropped images under a certain size can be used, as  has explained. μηδείς (talk) 17:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My problem with the screenshot is that Ultraman is not the main subject of the picture, only occupying the left third of the frame. The press event shot has features Ultraman front and centre and as it's a press kit shot the fair use case for using that is stronger then a still from a copyrighted broadcast. — Strongjam (talk) 18:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-free unlicensed images 

message: It seems to me that User:Medeis feels the need to monopolize the page. Any new edits made and he reverts them back to his version and the centerpiece of these edits are his constant needs to add and re-add his image (which he's uploaded years ago) into the infobox, which is not an appropriate spot for such a picture. Like I've stated before, wiki's infobox TV guidelines states that a title card should typically be used for the infobox's image, however, Medeis keeps adding the Gyango image instead, always referring to wiki's MOS (never specifying which rule) as his justification, however, WP:TVIMAGE clearly states this, The image presented in the infobox of the main article should ideally be an intertitle shot of the show (i.e., a screenshot capture of the show's title) or a promotional poster used to represent the show itself. Looking at the page's history, this same edit has been reverted by multiple editors. I've placed his image under the HEROES & MONSTERS section of the article (as a compromise) because I believe it's an appropriate spot because the image illustrates the subject of the section, which is heroes and monsters and exactly what the picture shows but again, Medeis reverted back to his version with the gyango picture in the infobox, claiming that the "named character belongs in infobox", which wiki's guidelines/rules DO NOT STATE. A consensus must be reached before this completely turns into an all out edit war. If no consensus or compromise can be reached, I think it would be fair to bring a third opinion to help settle this. Armegon (talk) 03:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit War on the page

message: There is no policy that restricts us to only one title card. They are free images from the commons. I believe you are referencing WP:TRADEMARK which says . Note it says non-free logos. That is not the case here and doesn't apply. For example, the article on Dell freely makes use of 3 non-copyrighted trademark images without issue. — Strongjam (talk) 12:09, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, actually there is a policy which says stylized trademarks can only be used once per article and only in the info box.  (And since the item is still for sale, neither trademarked logo is "in the public domain" as you have screamed above.  The usage rationale is fair use, or there wouldn't even need to be a policy.)  Didn't I link to that above?  I'll do so again if necessary. μηδείς (talk) 16:05, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither image is tagged as fair use rationale, both are on Wiki commons and tagged as public domain (:File:Ultraman Japanese TV Series Title Card.jpg, :File:Ultraman English Language Title Card.jpg.) Feel free to link to any policy the restricts the usage of PD images, but I'm not aware of any. — Strongjam (talk) 17:16, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Title Card 

message: Almost all of the Kamen Riders have a page dedicated to the titular rider of each series, I think that at least Ultraman and Ultraseven should also have their own pages dedicated to their own history, powers & abilities, etc. There is now a lot of places on the internet to find the necessary information about each character so that information can be sourced, e.g. the Japanese Wikipedia, Ultraman Wiki, and several forums and fan-subs of the series.
I feel that these characters deserve their own pages just as much as Superman or Godzilla because they are just as iconic and loved as them. Ultraman and Ultraseven were pioneers in Japanese monster craze back in the late 60's and it's safe to say that Kyodai Heros wouldn't be as popular with out the two crusaders from the Land of Light (the home of Ultraman and Ultraseven in Nebula M78). And they are still very popular today with over 40 spin-offs (composed of sequels show, side stories, and cartoons), and 19 movies with two additional short films. I think we really need to give these characters the credit they deserve.Teridax122 (talk) 14:47, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Ultraman have a character page? 

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message: Can you add "Other Appearances" in this page? Oon835 (talk) 13:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OPPOSED: It's not notable. Unless it can be expanded with information supplemented with verified sources, then it would be okay but if it's just to link a page, then it's unnecessary. Armegon (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Appearances

message: and : If you guys are the ones supporting this redirect, then don't forget to link all the pages with the "Ultraman" tag to "Ultraman (1966 TV Series)". The renaming process has left with a big mess that need to be fix, or else every page would lead to the mistake of assuming it was the "Ultra Series" brand. Zero stylinx (talk) 09:46, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
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