Talk:Administrative divisions of China/Archive 2

message: Should the title be "Political divisions of the People's Republic of China"? All other articles, such as Demographics and Economy about the PRC, are not using the title "Xxx of China" but "Xxx of the People's Republic of China". -- 09:11, December 10, 2004, UTC
:That would be a good idea. However, the article also mentions some aspects of the ROC administration system. If we rename this page, those will have to be removed or rephrased (which is not a big loss, since the ROC system also has its own article). -- ran (talk) 16:16, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
:I don't see the point of separating the content or moving the page. most other pages are still under the "of China" title. This page would either redirect or be made into a disambiguation. The first accomplishes nothing, the second is very bad given the number of pages that link here and will link here. --Jiang 20:11, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry - didn't look here first.  The discussion on WP:RM was pretty unanimous. -- ALoan (Talk) 00:23, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Please sign your posts with ~~~~ and get an account! This article covers both the ROC and PRC. It mentions both. It should have an overview of the history like it used to. This is why a disambiguation is inappropriate...and add how many pages link here...--Jiang 08:17, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In what way does this article cover the ROC? Don't tell me it covers the ROC because it has a province named Taiwan. -- 14:39, December 18, 2004, UTC
It covers the ROC because it mentions the ROC. For example, under #Municipalities, there's another table for Taibei and Gaoxiong, the central municipalities under the ROC government. Once again, please sign your posts with ~~~~ or you shall be ignored. --Jiang 20:13, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Let me know if there is any convention regarding signatures after messages. I don't want to login, and it's meaningless for me to sign without a real username. -- 08:53, December 19, 2004, UTC
It is meaningful to sign even if you choose to be anonymous. There is a convention and it is specified here. We need you to sign it even if you are an IP address because this is how we can track your contributions (by visiting Special:Contributions/202.61.119.189 for example) and to determine who is saying what and whether comments are being made by the same person (i.e. the same IP range). Otherwise, it is a hassle to check page histories. So please do it. --Jiang 09:34, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: No, that was purposely inserted to encompass all of China. If it were just on the PRC, it would not be mentioned at all since whether Taipei/Kaohsiung are municipalities or part of Taiwan province would be irrelevant. --Jiang 16:58, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If everything about the political divisions of the entire China is mentioned, we've gotta add the difference system of cities, counties, districts and so on and so forth of the ROC. -- 202.61.115.255 17:10, December 22, 2004, UTC 
We did. For example, under prefecutes, we said "Prefecture-level (地级 dìjí) divisions are a level of administration that exists only on mainland China, not Taiwan." and "As of December 15, 2004, there are 2862 county-level (县级 xiànjí) divisions, including 851 districts, 374 cities, 1465 counties, 117 autonomous counties, 49 banners, 3 autonomous banners, 2 special regions and 1 forestry area in mainland China. The Republic of China governs 23 county-level divisions, including 18 counties and 5 provincial municipalities." Mentions of the Republic of China and Taiwan are all over the place. Another example: "County-level cities (县级市 xiànjíshì) are, like prefecture-level cities, not "cities" in the traditional sense of the word, since they are actually large administrative regions that cover both urban and rural areas. It was popular for counties to become county-level cities in the 1990s, though this has since been halted. In Taiwan, county-level cities are known as provincial cities (省轄市 shěngxiáshì)."--Jiang 00:37, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Thank you. But this manner of presenting is not clear enough, and what I perceive is the information on the ROC was just additional to those on PRC, and readers won't have a clear idea of having two systems , and won't be able to understand and compare the two different tho similar systems.  -- 202.61.114.2 06:32, December 23, 2004, UTC.
The information on the ROC is of secondary importance because almost all political references to "China" refer to the People's Republic of China and these references often exclude Taiwan. It's fine to perceive it as this way. --Jiang 05:43, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: *In the interests of NPOV, I would have to say yes. Ливай | ☺ 22:59, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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message: Political divisions of China → Political divisions of the People's Republic of China
*on par with the articles on Economy, Demographics, Foreign Relations, etc.
*Political divisions of China should be a disambig page leading people to the article on political divisions of the Republic of China, Hong Kong, Macao, and Mongolia respectively.
**Object for now. The other pages, such as economy of China, demographics of China etc. are not named with "People's Republic of China" in their titles. -- ran (talk) 19:46, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
***What about History of the People's Republic of China? -- 19:49, December 15, 2004, UTC
****That one treats the "PRC" as a phase in history. We also have a History of China article. -- ran (talk) 16:08, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
*Should all these articles be move to Xyz of the People's Republic of China, with Xyz of China being the disambig page? -- 19:50, December 15, 2004
:*In the interests of NPOV, I would have to say yes. Ливай | ☺ 22:59, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion from [[WP:RM]]

message: redirects to List of cities in China. That OK? J heisenberg 18:37, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Town of China]]