Talk:Ludwig Minkus

message: Trotsky was named Leon Davidovich Bronstein, and his father was David Leontyevish Bronstein so I presume this may indicate that the father of Léon Minkus may have been named Theodore, Feodor in Russian (or equivalent spelling) Minkus (ich/ish/itch names are patronymic)? Arniep 23:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: name

message: Before copy-editing I have a few questions.
*In the first paragraph of the Life section, you state that his birth and death dates and locations for such. How do you know that the information following his name at the beginning of the article are correct? If there is question, this should be footnoted and the sources for information cited. 
*The first sentence of the article states that he is "believed to be of either of Polish or Czech origin." though it states that he was born near Brno (the modern Czech spelling should be used). If we know where he was born, why would his nationality be questioned?
*In the second paragraph under "Life" you state that he conducted an orchestra that competed against Johann Strauss II, was this in a competition or what? How did they compete against Strauss?
*What sources say that Minkus was an orphan? These will need to be noted in footnotes.
One note, I've read over the Life section again and I will likely do a good deal to condense the first two paragraphs. The basic statement of the first paragraph is that little information exists on his life and that what can be found is often contradicting. This should really be said in a single sentence such as "The details of Minkus' life are sketchy at best and those sources that do provide information often contradict one another." Then from there lead into to information on his birth and early life. The information on how his music is still performed belongs under the Music section. 
I will go ahead and work on the sources list. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 15:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ganymead asked "If we know where he was born, why would his nationality be questioned?". There was no such state as the Czech republic when Minkus was alive, the area was just part of the Austro-Hungarian empire. Arniep 11:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe that Minkus was described as Czech by a contemporary historian.--tufkaa 21:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That author may have had a bias so I think we should be careful of ascribing a nationality to him. Arniep 18:49, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, please understand that I was not advocating for ascribing nationality indescriminantly. However, when a contemporary historian ascribes such information to an individual, I think this is worth mentioning in an article, especially for an individual of whom little is known about his origins. Of course this could be done with a qualifying statement for added NPOV. Is there anything documented which discredits this particular historian's objectivity in ascribing nationality?--tufkaa 21:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions for copyedit

message: This article seems very long and full of information that could probably reside elsewhere. For instance, can the information about the individual ballets be removed, and simply listed on the articles about the individual ballets themselves? Same with all of the pictures?--tufkaa 21:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: I am unable to move the article to Ludwig Minkus, as it already exsists as a redirect page.
Is there any way it can be moved to that page without having to copy and paste?
I have never once seen anywhere in all of my extensive research and in any of my Imperial-era materials Minkus being referred to as Ludvig. In Russian the name is Ludvig (when translated from cryllic), but in French, which was the official language of the Imperial Russian Court, the name is always 'Ludwig' - all Imperial-era programs were in french.
His first name was Ludwig. I have yet to update the article, but the name of 'Léon' is an early 20th century error passed on from source to source that came about thanks to Pavlova's company, who for some reason credited him as 'Léon Fyodorovich'. 
The conductor Richard Bonynge was the first to resurrect Pavlova's sheet music and record Minkus's material for the 1960 album "The Art of the Prima Ballerina".
That same year Nureyev staged Petipa's The Kingdom of the Shades scene from La Bayadere. Since all that was available of Minkus's music in the west was of the old Pavlova orchestral parts and piano reductions, John Lachbery re-orchestrated the music. All of the sheet music said "Léon Feodorovich Minkus", and thus the name spread as Lanchbery began recording and publishing his version.
I thought for some time that he changed his name after leaving Russia, but his death certificate has his first name as Ludwig and his last name as Minkus.
--Mrlopez2681 21:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edits 

message: There was a cut and paste move 18 November 2007. I've put the page histories together. If anyone decides to move this article again, please either use the "move" button or ask on WP:Requested moves. Thanks. Gimmetrow 03:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cut and paste move

message: I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles.  This article is B-class, but only barely.  It lacks balance in the critical commentary, and claims absence of knowledge without appearing to investigate appropriate sources (specifically, no Russian-language sources have been consulted).  It also needs copyediting and more structure.  My detailed comments are on the comments page; questions or comments can be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 16:13, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: Substituted at 22:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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