Talk:Mountain Meadows Massacre/Archive 15

message: Is anyone else having the problem that if you save page you get the "Wikpedia is experiencing technical difficulties" page?  I am getting this quite a bit.--Blue Tie 22:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had that problem a few days ago, but not recently. Strangely, it only happened when I wanted to edit this page. COGDEN 00:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have gotten this notice several times on this article and wonder if this article is stressing the system because of its size. --Robbie Giles 15:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles of this size are usually no problem. A while ago, the server was having trouble because of the large number of citation templates, but I replaced the templates with generated code, which helped immensely. Since then, I haven't noticed any problem. The page loads relatively quickly for me, and I haven't had any problems. Does it happen when you do a section edit, or just during an edit of the entire article? COGDEN 17:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia technical issues

message: When the film debuts in 2 days there will likely be heightened interest in this article. If we keep it watchlisted and promptly revert vandalism, it might be possible to avoid the need to have it semi-protected, but that should be kept as an option. Edison 17:29, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[September Dawn]]

message: I agree with many of the Indian to Native American edits, but I think it's awkward to convert the title of Indian Agent to Native American Agent. Isn't that going a little overboard? --TrustTruth 14:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is reconstructionist history; the term never existed in this period. It should be reverted to proper historical terminology. --Storm Rider (talk) 16:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The term Indian has never been offensive, and there's an argument that most indiginous Americans in the United States actually prefer the term Indian. See Native American name controversy. Although I have no problem with replacing Indian with Native American, it definitely should not be inserted anachronistically. COGDEN 17:14, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll revise my first sentence to read "I am ambivalent about most of the Indian to Native American edits...." I don't feel pasionately either way, but calling an Indian Agent a Native American Agent is inaccurate, as Indian Agent is a formal title. I reverted all instances in the article back to Indian Agent. --TrustTruth 17:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian vs. Native American 

message: Howdy, I know it's been a few months since I've made an active contribution to this article, but I still have interest
Q: What will we call the party. All of the above have been used at one time. I have followed the following standard (taken from the Mountain Meadows Association home-page).
"Today some records and tales relate a story about one large wagon train, and the men, women, and children who were murdered at Mountain Meadows, which is often referred to collectively as the Baker-Fancher Train. This is not accurate. This designation developed in 1990, intended as a recognition that there was more than one wagon train involved in the massacre."
Shouldn't this be the Fancher train? Or is this quote not accurate?
Davemeistermoab 08:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think that source is a "Reliable source".  I think that the published histories are better sources.--Blue Tie 20:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fancher/Baker-Fancher/Fancher-Baker/Fancher-Baker-Duke Train