Talk:Charleston (dance)

message: Based on what source is the statement that the rhythm of the Charleston is a traditional West African one? I hear similar claims about many forms of jazz, but without any evidence, or any examples from Africa to demonstrate it. From all I can definitively learn, Ragtime, Jazz, and Swing were unique developments of American music, which originated in the American South among 300-year-old black communities who were influenced by many traditions, including European and African music. No similar musical forms ever developed in Africa, and they were certainly not borrowed from Africa.
PlainJane 04:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  West Africa 

message: It would be useful to have a sample of the rhythm, in musical notation. I'll make up an image if someone will describe it, but since the rhythm is prominently mentioned but not described.... Adam Cuerden 22:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhythm 

message: PlainJane 04:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  editing and restructuring

message: The following has been added to the article:
"It has also been suggested that the Charleston or a very much faster variation of this dance came from a 300 year old Irish Slip jig. If you were to consider the look that the black African dance stance took, which would be a stooped over cool look, as compared to the straight up and down look of the Charlston, in that the look can more resemble watching Irish folk dancing, than cool swinging. Then conider that most of these dances as we remember the flapper and the roaring 20s, was more identifed with Chicago, which at that time was predominantly Irish."
There are some serious problems with the written expression which I don't have time to edit properly.
I suspect that there may be a grain of truth in this 'alternate history'. It's certainly the case the tap dancing has Irish ancestors or influences.
But I'm not sure whether there's sufficient evidence to support adding this as an 'alternate history' in itself. I can't remember reading anything specifically about it (and I'm not anywhere near my books right now). PlainJane 11:00, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Controversial claim need to be sourced, more so than other parts of an article. Unless someone can provide a reliable source for this alternate history soon, I think it should probably be deleted. —Cswrye 04:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent 'Irish history' addition

message: This page has been edited too many times recently and it should be noted that this is the first rendition:   
{Info dump of older version removed.  Not needed.  Old versions can be seen just fine in the page's history.}
: So, let me try to understand this.  You are wanting to revert back to an older version of the page, correct?  The version you added above is not the first version of this page.  That can be found here, and is much more primative and unformatted than the current version.  Not sure when your version is from, but it's at least more recent than that.
: But, the bigger issue is, why?  Why to you feel that the page needs to revert back to an older version?  What's wrong with the current version that the reverting solves?  Saying it was "editied too many times recently" does not make a lot of sense to me.  Continual editing of articles is one of the core ideas of most any Wiki project, including this one.  There is no final state of an article.
: If you see specific problems with the current page, please, express them of fix them.  But blanket reversion of the article, tossing out how many weeks or months of other people's work and effort, is really not the correct way to go about things here. - TexasAndroid 19:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page... 

message: Should Mae Barnes be mentioned in this article?  According to several sources I found in starting her article - such as this obituary - she was credited with introducing the dance to Broadway in 1924.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:50, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mae Barnes 

message: What is the dance move in the photo that Josephine Baker is doing in the photo? It's where one crosses the hands over to the opposite knee while moving the knees horizontally.  I've seen it called "wobbly knees" or "bees knees" but is that really what it is called? Quite a few videos of the Charleston have it in it. Would that be worth putting into the article? 
Ll1324 (talk) 22:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it would be worth it. That illusion seems to be commonly associated with the Charleston dance today, to the extent that many people think that it IS the Charleston. But we need citations. "Bee's Knees" is an expression from the 1920s period, but does it really refer to this dance? Wastrel Way (talk) 17:42, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dance move has a name? 

message: I think it would be a great idea to add information from this source. I think the history of Jazz and its immediate predecessors are tightly intertwined:
https://www.ccpl.org/charleston-time-machine/tracing-roots-charleston-dance
George Rodney Maruri Game (talk) 07:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  More history info