Talk:Kari Ann Peniche

message: I recommend this be page be locked for edits while the rumors and tabloid gossip fly over the latest nude tape incident. Also, I don't feel gossip from sites like Gawker needs to be included unless it's from a verified source and not just tabloid rumor. -- User:scottjduffy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottjduffy (talk • contribs) 13:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Page protection

message: I really don't think a site like this qualifies as a reliable source, but this is the only source I could find that says she was removed from the TV show. I don't work much on celebrity articles -- my instinct is to include it with the barest fact (that she left the show), and leave it at that. -Pete (talk) 03:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds right.  Leave out the word "booted" for instance (except in the reference, of course). - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:24, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I already put that in the article, with the episode in question as the citation. Nightscream (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: :Stuff from the article that we may want later. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think some of this stuff could be moved back citing http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1750531/ -Pete (talk) 04:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I do lots of pop culture articles, and using IMDB is controversial.  We can cite the primary sources, if we have enough info to fill out the template.  This says what we'd like to say about Howard Stern, but I don't think it meats RS either. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm, well I always thought IMDB was ok for establishing that somebody was in a certain film. But I bow to your greater pop culture experience, I'm not too familiar with how IMDB works. -Pete (talk) 06:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: Peregrine, you've made excellent improvements, but I'm not so sure about listing all the scandals in the lead. The goal should be to write a complete biography of the woman, and the fact that her scandalous moments are all reported instantly I believe makes them appear more notable than they are. Just because something has a lot of sources over a 3 day period does not mean it's a particularly notably event, justifying placement in the lead paragraph.
My inclination would be to keep the lead section pretty short for now, and focus on rounding out the rest of the article. What do you think? -Pete (talk) 04:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To be specific, I think the Playboy pictorial and resulting stripping of the title should be in the lead, the rest should not. Perhaps a general sentence stating that she has been involved in several controversial issues and was expected to appear on the TV show. -Pete (talk) 04:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  I don't have strong feelings on what the lead should say, I just kinda looked at the article and (very quickly) summarized what I saw. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cool. I did a quick rewrite, that I think is better balanced. Feel free to tweak. -Pete (talk) 06:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: I don't have the ref, but what's the deal? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 04:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: She's from Fairview -- at least, that's where she lived after she was about 16. I figured she was assumed by the national media to be from Gresham because that's where her (private) high school was located. (if there are reliable sources saying she's from Gresham, maybe we should reconsider?) It sounds like her mom moved around a bit while she was growing up, so maybe she did live in Gresham as a child. (I emailed you a news story, did you get that?) -Pete (talk) 04:55, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gresham Outlook reference says she's from Gresham (little did they know, they might have said Fairview otherwise).  I must admit I'm clear on exactly what part of Portland or Gresham or whatever Fairview is.  Got the email.  Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah. Well, between the two, I'd say the Oregonian is the "more" reliable source. The Outlook might just be trying to claim her for their own, after all! Fairview is a separate city, though it's a tiny one. -Pete (talk) 06:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairview vs. Gresham 

message: But, the reason most reliable sources have commented on her is the video, so I'm thinking we should mention it in some way in the lead.    Something tasteful.  Maybe "News sources have commented on a home video with her and married couple and actors Eric Dane and Rebecca Gayheart." or something.  It doesn't define her, but it is big with reliable sources and their coverage. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I put it in there, of course feel free to tweak it. I'm not inclined to think of most of these as reliable sources, though of course it would take a lot of research for me to back up my position. But simply judging on how many of them incorrectly report that she was stripped of the Miss Teen USA title (which she never held)...they're basically just reprinting gossip, not doing in-depth reporting or making commentary on what the most significant aspects of her life are. I don't think number of stories, by itself, tells us much about how to weight facts in a biography. -Pete (talk) 06:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  A related point is that she's the least famous person in the video. Most of the stories' headlines mention Dane, not Peniche. I guess my sense is that she is most famous as a beauty queen who won a local and a national title, and had one of them stripped for her Playboy appearance. (Though it's really hard to find any coverage of that -- I think she must not have been the first, as it does not seem to have hit the mainstream press.) If her career continues to advance, it should get easier to determine (from future coverage) how much of an emphasis the video deserves in this article. -Pete (talk) 06:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've adjusted the lead just right, since it is tangential.  At some point, we may want to look at the reliability of the sources we're using now.  I'm not sure about Turn For The Judges, WomenDiary.net, and Radar, although they may be fine.  I've asked about Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#New_York_Daily_News.  - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 06:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: She never held that title?  Lots of news sources comment on it."miss+teen+usa" - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 19:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miss Teen USA? 

message: I think it's going to disappear soon.  I tried to save it at Webcite, but it's not allowed.  I guess use it as long as it exists? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 05:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sucks, looks like PFW can't manage document its own history! I think that fact's suitably cited to other sources though, probably not a big deal to the article whatever we do. -Pete (talk) 07:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah.  Provide it while we can.  I don't think google cache lasts that long, so we should check back every few days and then deal with it if it goes dead. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 07:38, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google cache as reference 

message: Anyone else think this article is unduly focused on Peniche's personal issues? I understand that might be what many people find interesting about her, but it's not the reason she's notable, and it doesn't need to be covered in the detail it is here - particularly when much of the content is only referenced to primary sources. Robofish (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Her appearances on the Dr. Drew-related reality shows go quite a way to her reasons for notability, as does her nude tape, all of which pertain to her personal issues, so I don't think the amount of info is inappropriate. But if you can find validly sourced material on her not related to that, which is related to her notability, then that can be added too. 
In any event, I don't see how that's a neutrality issue, given the tag you placed in the article. Nightscream (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Coming back to this article a year later, I think it's fine - as Nightscream says, the 'personal issues' (and her public struggles with them) are a large part of her notability. I'll remove the template. Robofish (talk) 22:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much information about personal issues? 

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