Talk:Doug Chapman (stuntman)

message: I have tagged this page for speedy deletion.  Working as a stunt double does not appear to meet the criteria for a notable entertainer.
Ehb (talk) 21:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You really should have tagged it with , it's not a candidate for speedy deletion and he has been in a heck of alot of notable movies. If you tag it with a prod template that will be removed as I feel it shouldn't be deleted as do some other editors, and in the interests of neutrality I will tell you that it'll probably have to go to WP:AFD where the community can decide. But you will have to tag it with  first Million_Moments (talk) 06:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see that the article meets the criteria for deletion from Wikipedia - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion I have no qualms with his deletion from the CSU page. That's up to anyone interested in that page. Happy to discuss further but would appreciate further discussion of criteria before you think of tagging, cheers. Fififolle (talk) 09:06, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And also you should have informed the articles creator on their talk page. Million_Moments (talk) 15:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I believe the our interpretation of "If the article does not indicate why its subject is important or significant, use the  tag to request speedy deletion." differs. This article does indicate why Chapman is notable by the statement that Chapman is an actor and stunt preformer. However, you disagree with the argument of notability presented. WP:Speedy Deletion states that "Articles that seem to have obviously non-notable subjects are only eligible for speedy deletion if the article does not assert the importance or significance of its subject." This article asserts that Chapman has been a stunt preformer in several notable movies and stunt doubles for notable actors, and the notability is based on that, thus preventing it from being deleted via the speedy deletion route. Million_Moments (talk) 19:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it's all down to what one classes as significant. I suspect there are dozens of Wikipedia pages of people who have not been in dozens of notable films or provided an influential affect on the film industry. There wouldn't be many bigraphies left, I suspect. Doug Chapman is highly respected in his field, and has had key roles in films which are important on both a cult and cultural level, even if they are not within everyone's scope of interest. What is significant to some may not be significant to others. I don't like to point it out, Ehb, but your opinion that stunt performers are insignificant would be disputed by everyone in the film industry. The quotes from actors in the article by James Marsters and Robert Englund are there to make this point. Stunt performers are an incredibly important sector of the film industry, and the top stunt performers in film genres attract some significant interest within the cultural sector. I do appreciate your bold attitude though. Tried it myself for a while. I put my energies into other areas now... Fififolle (talk) 18:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think if you applied this rationale to other skilled workers in the film industry, you'd have several hundred pages just to document the people who made "significant" contributions just to the Lord of the RIngs trilogy. There comes a point where someone has made an important contribution without being significant, and we will just have to agree to disagree. Ehb (talk) 06:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
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