Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anglicanism/Archive 3

message: The March collaboration has been decided - it is William Wilberforce.  Per the guidelines, the unsuccessful nominees will be automatically placed in renomination for April.  This is what we should have been doing all along - my apologies. Fishhead64 17:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Collaborations of the Month

message: Still no awarding of the barnstar to anyone?  I see Balin has one, and I know that Carolynparrishfan used to have one.  Please, be bold and award this honour to deserving contributors to our noble project!  Cheers! Fishhead64 02:56, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Barnstar

message: is up for deletion. Please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 February 9#Template:Anglicanism2. —Angr 19:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See also the new discussion at Template talk:Anglicanism. Fishhead64 22:13, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For your information, an infobox has been created for use on biographical articles of clergy.  It can be found at .  Pastordavid 15:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: A proposal has been made on the talk page of the Portal:Saints for a possible daily update to at least some of the content of the portal. I think that this is a fine idea, but also think that I would want input from others as to which content to feature on which date. I have therefore set up a page for such discussion at Portal:Saints/Saint of the day for interested parties to nominate content related to individual saints they would like to see featured on the portal, and one which particular day, if one is preferred. I am here thinking particularly about possibly including individuals on the days of their feasts, if they have one. Any member of this project is more than welcome to make any nominations they see fit. Please feel free to make any specific suggestions there. John Carter 20:13, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint of the day 

message: I thought I'd bring this up before it became an issue; some people on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship have been saying that they would only support candidates who have the support of a content-driven WikiProject. I noticed that User:Fishhead64 is up now, at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Fishhead64. I would like to propose that this WikiProject offer him its support. (Even though I'm not an official member I edit a lot of related articles and keep an eye on what y'all are up to) Mak (talk) 22:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requests for adminship

message: Vote at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Moses so as too get Moses into a featured article Java7837 23:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote for Moses to become a featured article

message: Could I ask people to take a look at this AfD discussion - we need further opinions as to whether former Church of Ireland bishops are notable by virtue of their office, even in overwhelmingly Catholic dioceses —  iridescent (talk to me!) 17:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I've alredy cast my !vote.  Despite the fact that the majority remained Roman Catholic, at the time in question, the Church of Ireland was still the established church, giving the bishops rather higher social standing and influence than might otherwise have been the case.  although to an extent, number of adherents is a red-herring.  The Anglican Communion is one of the major divisions of Christianity, albeit less well represented in some areas than other.  David Underdown 08:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Alexander Arbuthnot (bishop)]]

message: Hi all--
I am working up an article on Martyn Minns of CANA. I am nearly done with the starter, but am having trouble understanding the issues surrounding using an image of Minns found on the CANA website  (go to the bottom of the page). Users are invited to download the images, but no limitations on usage are stated.
I actually spoke with someone from the CANA office today, and he gave me verbal permission to scale and use the photo, but is verbal enough?
So, any advice on how I should proceed? Many thanks.
Bolman Deal 22:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo Question 

message: Supreme Governor of the Church of England has been tagged "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards" since November 2005. "The oldest cleanup requests are the highest priority, to prevent embarrassing problems from going unfixed for an indefinite length of time" . Anybody interested in taking a look at this article? Thanks. ----- (Folks, I have to tell you that I find the organization of your WikiProject Anglicanism Talk page here extremely confusing and visitor-unfriendly. If this note should have been posted somewhere else, please move it as appropriate.) -- Writtenonsand 06:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not wild about it either, but I was too polite to say so. Fishhead64 02:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Supreme Governor of the Church of England]] needs your help 

message: Help me with them:
Trinity Chapel 
Hugh Whitehead
Supreme Head‎
SECisek 12:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Articles & Stubs 

message: Any improvements that could be made to English dissenters would be much appreciated. It seems that most of the articles I am working on link to it and several FAs that I have created. The article is currently abysmal. The history of dissent in England is currently very hard to piece together on wikipedia. Thanks. Awadewit Talk 09:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this needs serious work.
SECisek 23:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[English dissenters]]

message: I have made extensive changes and additions to Anglican doctrine - an article I think will be vital in the ongoing covenant/realignmnent focus.  Please look it over and see what you think. Fishhead64 06:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem to ahve got off to a very good start - might be better to pull it at this stage, and send it for a peer review instead.  David Underdown 08:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglican doctrine

message: I notice that the Calendar of saints (Episcopal Church in the United States of America) includes the name of Elizabeth Cady Stanton, a notably atheistic individual. This creates the rather strange situation in which an atheist is now categorized as a saint, specifically as an :Category:Anglican saints. Would the members of this project favor the creation of another category, possibly :Category:Anglican heroes, for use for those individuals recognized in the calendars of the churches of the Anglican Communion who do not specifically get referred to regularly as "Saints"? John Carter 20:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about Stanton's religious beliefs, but the 1979 calendar does create a few problems.  To the best of my knowledge the only "Saint" to be declared as such after the Reformation was St. Charles, king and martyr. Although being commemorated on the calendar does not make one a "Saint", they are often refered to as such.  Maybe one of our priests on the project could weigh in? -- SECisek 22:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would note that there are several of the calendars which specifically refer to individuals like Saint Peter, Paul of Tarsus, and others from the first or second generation of Christianity as "saints", and that those individuals could easily still be included in the :Category:Anglican saints. But that title does seem to be only used in the calendars to describe individuals from very early Christianity. John Carter 22:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding the [[:Category:Anglican saints] 

message: The proposal is to have a standard format for all articles on the Communion. An article on a Province of the Communion would begin with a short description: Its name, location, size, and a few other brief words about its important characteristics. Then the following structure:
:#History
:#Membership (demographics, size, etc.)
:#Structure (or Organization)
:#Worship and liturgy
:#Doctrine and practice (kind of interchangeable in Anglicanism!)
:##Social issues
:##Ecumenical relations
:##(Other subheadings)
:#References
:#See also
:#External links
:Please indicate whether you support or oppose use of this template. If you do oppose it in its present form, please suggest amendments or alternatives. We can then insert the template headings in relevant articles as a way of standardizing the format and encouraging article development. Fishhead64 18:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is the difference between a province of the Communion (as they are described by the Anglican Communion website), which may or may not cross national boundaries, and ecclesiastical provinces, which are contained within them.  They're two different beasts, but both properly called provinces. The Anglican Church of Canada is a province of the Anglican Communion, containing four ecclesiastical provinces, one of which is the Ecclesiastical Province of Canada.  Confusing, no? Fishhead64 22:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw poll

message: Mais oui! has now twice removed the  template from this article, lately saying that it's misleading and the church is Episcopal and not Anglican (I paraphrase, apologies if that's not entirely accurate).  Maybe I'm mising something, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the template that would be particularly objectionable (and I note that it's on the ECUSA article with no issues), although perhaps something could actually be added to the template to better reflect the somewhat separate history of the SEC.  David Underdown 12:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglicanism template on [[Scottish Episcopal Church]] 

message: This category is up for merger with :Category:Anglican primates. The 'smaller' category currently has only primates in the AC, so I don't have a problem with the merge. If you differ you might like to comment in the discussion. -- BPMullins | Talk 01:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Primates of the Anglican Communion]] 

message: I'm confused about List of Anglican dioceses - since it's actually a list of archbishops and bishops rather than dioceses! — PMJ 00:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and personally I find it more useful to have a main article about a diocese, and list bishops and archbishops within the diocese article except for significant archbishops eg Canterbury. Claudine C. (talk) 01:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Anglican dioceses

message: Please see my comments at Talk:Episcopal Diocese of El Camino Real and Talk:Episcopal Diocese of California.  Corvus cornix 20:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Response at Talk:Episcopal Diocese of California.  -- BPMullins | Talk 22:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradictions in articles

message: The article Nun has exactly one paragraph on Anglican religious orders, and it reads as follows:
:Some churches that are directly descended from the Reformation, such as the Anglicans, and Lutherans, and even Calvinists continue to have small monastic communities, though these generally play a much smaller role in religious practice than in Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches. Outside the churches belonging to the Anglican Communion, most Protestant monastic communities are not organized into formal orders. In some Anglican orders, there are nuns who have been ordained as priests [citation needed].
I thought this was in need of attention because:
* It claims that the Anglican Communion is "directly descended from the Reformation", which is POV.
* Similarly, it calls the Anglican Communion "Protestant", which is POV.
* It's very short.
* It could do with citations (not just for the part about nuns who are priests).
I am not enough of a scholar of these matters to do the work myself, but I thought I'd raise the matter here. The Wednesday Island 16:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nun]] 

message: Can I request that someone with a knowledge of the early history of Methodism take a look at the Aldersgate Street section of the currently-under-construction A1 road (London) article and edit/correct/expand it as appropriate. As (obviously) the location is of key importance in John Wesley's life, I feel it needs a lengthy mention, but as I'm not a Methodist I'm concerned I may have misunderstood exactly what took place, and also that "epiphany" may be an inappropriate term to use in this context —  iridescent (talk to me!) 14:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aldersgate Street

message: There is a new WikiProject task force proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Inter-religious content that is being proposed to deal specifically with articles whose content relates to several religious traditions. Any editors interested in joining such a group would be more than welcome to indicate their interest there. John Carter 15:09, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New project proposal 

message: I recently merged these two articles. There was an objection that was raised and a request was made to seek feedback here. Please offer commentary on the talk page, for or against.
--Mcorazao 03:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger: "[[Christian Church]]" and "[[One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church]]" 

message: The article  underwent a complete rewrite over the last few weeks that left it quite heavily biased. I have tried to merge older material back into it, but it now needs to be put back together. If anyone on this project has the time, could they, please, take a look at the article and improve it. — Gareth Hughes 15:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sign of the Cross 

message: There has recently been some discussion regarding which "stories" or portions of the Bible merit having their own articles. For the purposes of centralized discussion, please make any comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bible#What should have separate articles?. Thank you. John Carter 13:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What "stories" of the Bible merit separate articles?

message: Most categories related to the project have begun to have the Category talk pages  tagged - it is important to any project that categories that fall under its ambit are 'caught' by a project tag with class=NA - it can help specially when outsiders (ie non project members) come in and see underpopulated categories that are suitable candidates for either merging or Cfd issues - otherwise project members might never know they have lost categories unless they are tagged.  It can be a serious issue if a vexatious CFD enthusiast decides to take issue with categories with low numbers or other issues.  It would be well worth a member of this project creating a sub page with a category tree in it to see what has been caught or not. I am sure I have not caught the lot by a long mile.  SatuSuro 02:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A brief visit to Category:Non-article Anglicanism pages should be sufficient to show the categories caught to date SatuSuro 03:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category pages

message: I am seeking peer review of a recently created article. Please see Wikipedia:Peer review/Calendar of saints (Anglican Church of Southern Africa)/archive1. Thank you. John Carter 15:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Peer review