Talk:Hamartia

message: Shouldn't there be a heavy breathing mark on άμαρτία, to give it the h? Right now, it would transliterate as amartia.--Prosfilaes 21:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy breathing 

message: I thought an earlier attribution of Oedipus' hamartia solely to his killing his father was too narrow -- the incest part is also relevant.
Also, despite the misgivings of some (which I share, btw), I thought addressing the "tragic flaw" issue was important, as it is likely the preconception held by most who will visit this page. My high school English teacher pulled the same stunt on me (thanks, Mrs. Silber!). Also, while I used to hold a hardline position on hamartia-as-error, the sources I found plus reflection upon tragedies such as Agamemnon, Hippolytus and Antigone have led me to the conclusion that there is often a moral component to a tragic hero's hamartia. Ifnkovhg 00:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did some editing and made a controversial addition 

message: "Many critics worldwide consider Wikipedia to exist in a perpetual state of hamartia, given its inherent lack of credibility and veracity." -- rather self-indulgent and irrelevant isn't it? not to mention inaccurate
I agree, Thank you. F.S.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.185.191.1 (talk) 17:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed a sentence 

message: The medical definition just confuses things here.  It should be broken out into a separate article.  --173.76.64.227 (talk) 19:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical definition should be a separate article 

message: Earlier editors have pointed out the "tragic flaw" issues, and I agree with them, that missing the mark is not a moral flaw.  And I LIKE the way the section on that is written, opinion-wise:  I agree with the conclusions.  BUT, most of that section is unreferenced.  It borders on synthesis and OR - yes, these are procedural issues I have with the info, but I feel they must be cited - right now, they draw conclusions as if the article is advancing a thesis, not reporting someone else's conclusions.--Vidkun (talk) 23:09, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  interpretation of the word, modern understanding and original research 

message: The article contains what seems to me an oddly categorical or doctrinaire statement: "However, hamartia cannot be sharply defined or have an exact meaning assigned to it." I would have expected something to the effect that the word Hamartia has been used in differing ways at various times and in various places. As it stands, it seems as if the article propounds a rule about its topic, rather than offering a description.
Since I know nothing about Hamartia aside from what I have just read here, I will not make any change to the article; but I submit my concern to the community in hopes that someone who is in a better position to make an edit will consider it. Dratman (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hamartia cannot be sharply defined? 

message: i am new... don't rage pls... this is my 2nd post....
i strongly suggest that this page being merged into Aristotle's page not being separated
because this hamartia, anagnorisis, peripeteia is a big chunk that is missing in the Aristotle's page...
please review Aristotle's page and pro wiki users and admins... decide what to do... i don't even know how to cite stuff here soo... i clearly do not hold the right to
tell you guys what to do or not... but in my POV this page being merged in to Aristotle's page would be more simpler... since i am fresh from the internet...
thnx for reading this... and if i violated any rules by accident feel free to edit me... i have no probs :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hsrmrp (talk • contribs) 15:25, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge this in to the Aristotle's page 

message: Hello, all. I am about to start a series of edits over the course of the next several weeks as part of a grad school  project. The course assignment banner is at the top of the page. I respect the work that has been done on this article up to now, and hope to help hone it. I ask for patience from the Wiki world if the article looks disjointed at times during the process. 
The first edit is the lead section. Here is how it used to read:
Hamartia (Ancient Greek: ἁμαρτία) is a word most famously used in Poetics,[1] where it is usually translated as a mistake or error in judgment.[2][3][4] In modern discussions of tragedy, hamartia has often been described as a hero's "tragic flaw."[5] The word hamartia is rooted in the notion of missing the mark (hamartanein) and covers a broad spectrum that includes ignorant, mistaken, or accidental wrongdoing,[6] as well as deliberate iniquity, error, or sin.[7] The term is better understood more broadly as a description of the element (vice, virtue, misfortune, etc.) in a tragedy or tragic character that makes it tragic. [8]
This form of drawing emotion from the audience is a staple of the Greek tragedies. In Greek tragedy, stories that contain a character with a hamartia often follow a similar blueprint. The hamartia, as stated, is seen as an error in judgment or unwitting mistake is applied to the actions of the hero. For example, the hero might attempt to achieve a certain objective X; by making an error in judgment, however, the hero instead achieves the opposite of X, with disastrous consequences.
However, hamartia cannot be sharply defined or have an exact meaning assigned to it. Consequently, a number of alternate interpretations have been associated with it, such as in the New Testament where hamartia is the Greek word translated "sin".[9] Bible translators may reach this conclusion, according to T. C. W. Stinton, because another common interpretation of hamartia can be seen as a “moral deficit” or a “moral error” (Stinton 221). R. D. Dawe disagrees with Stinton’s view when he points out in some cases hamartia can even mean not sinning (Dawe 91). In order for this to constitute a hamartia, the main character would choose not to carry out an action because she or he believes it would be a sin; but this failure to act would in turn lead to a worse outcome for the character.
Contents  [hide] 
1 History of hamartia in Aristotelian interpretation
2 Major examples of hamartia in Greek literature
3 "Tragic flaw"
4 Criticisms
5 See also
6 Notes
7 References  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcraab123 (talk • contribs) 23:59, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: A series of edits

message: Hello, Spannerjam.Thanks for your edits! I noticed you changed the meaning of one of the arguments. It misrepresented the views in the cited article, so I reinstated the deleted text. My language could be cleaned up - I hope you can continue to help with that - but take care that edits don't alter the information from the source. Mcraab123 (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Reinstated argument under Criticism section

message: The closing sentence is, "What his study asserts is separate from hamartia, in a view that conflicts with Dawe's and Bremer's, is the concept of divine retribution."  This can't be parsed syntactically in English. What is the view that conflicts with Dawe's and Bremer's, and what "... is the concept of divine retribution"? Philgoetz (talk) 01:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical arguments on divine intervention 

message: The section assumes interpretations and applications of the word hamartia without supporting the content with sources.   The interpretations of hamartia and of the plays in the section are not right.  The section ignores or contradicts what is said earlier in the article.  I suggest that the section be deleted.  Examples can be incorporated in the text, as they already are.  And if a list of examples is needed it could be added later with more care taken -- and with references.  Clockchime (talk) 13:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Clockchime (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section "Examples of hamartia in literature" is flawed 

message: Hi, wouldn't it make more editorial sense to keep these topics separate, e.g. by placing the theology at the end? T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 01:22, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, moved it; pls chk if it works. T 84.208.65.62 (talk) 00:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the theology section placed in the middle of the tragedy section?