Talk:Prussian Blue (duo)/Archive 3

message: The Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity) guideline says:
:When naming an article about specific people or specific groups always use the terminology which those individuals or organizations use[.]
That is, of course, just a guideline and it deals with article names at that so it doesn't strictly apply here. But I thought I'd throw this out and see what people think. As far as I can ascertain this Prussian Blue duo doesn't self-identify as "white supremacist" but they are associated with a group that self-identifies as "white nationalist". None of their statements quoted in the article, absurd though they are, establish that they believe in the superiority of the white race.
I just thought I'd throw this out to test the water. I don't feel strongly about this and if someone reverts then I won't revert back. - Haukur Þorgeirsson 23:04, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-identification, white nationalist/white supremacist 

message: :They appeared in an article in The Sun on October 28, 2005, commenting about the controversial move to go on tour the week of Rosa Parks' death.
I am really confused by this sentence. Were they scheduled to tour and controversy arose when they continued with these plans despite Parks's death four days prior? (In which case, that's silly, since it's not like they're going to have any respect whatsoever for Rosa Parks) Or did they spontaneously decide to tour after her death to.. I dunno, celebrate? Can someone clarify? -VJ 05:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the link to The Sun and it doesn't mention Parks at all. What's up with this sentence? -Willmcw 07:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, whatever - good call removing it. -VJ 21:16, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  controversial move to go on tour? 

message: Are you sure it was parody? I'm pretty sure it was a legitimate interview. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm an idiot if I am. M.C. Brown Shoes 22:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm sure.  It was also posted to the Anti-Prussian Blue blog (where I first saw it).  There it was noted to be a parody in the comments section.  No worries, Something Awful deliberately makes it hard to tell that their content is fictional.  The main joke behind the comedy site is to see how many people they can get to take their posts as fact. If you really think about it, it has some holes. For example, with all the very violent and graphic death and rape threats the girls have been getting from people who oppose their views, the girl's mother probably would let them go "out for ice cream" and an interview with some random old guy that runs a weird website. - A. 23:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Something Awful link

message: I cut the sections on "Positive Response" and "Negative Response" due to the lack of support for various statements made.  
Regarding statements made in the "Positive Response" section:  I see absolutely no objective evidence that Prussian Blue has developed a "strong following" or has had any objectively measurable success.  Those claims come entirely from their mother/manager, and the intent of this statement seems to me to be promotional.  Wikipedia should be about verifable facts, not about promotion or publicity.
Regarding statements made in the "Negative Response" section:  Though it is certainly true and verifiable that the group has received a great deal of criticism and condemnation, and that certain venues refuse to carry or promote their music, it is not accurate to call this "censorship".  Censorship implies that the group is being silenced and that their rights are being violated-- which in fact they are not. Please bear in mind that music purveyors such as My Space, web hosts who provide server space or or organizations that provide space to publicize one's work *also* have certain first amendment rights-- which include the right to maintain terms of service agreements, as well as the right to delete the memberships of individuals who do not comply with those terms of service.  Being banned from My Space is not an example of censorship.  The opinion of the person who wrote this section may differ of course, but the claim is not legally accuarte, and is not appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia entry.  
Finally, I see no reliable evidence that any serious threats have been made toward this group beyond the usual rudeness that one might expect.  Its all he said she said.  If there was an actual event reported by a reliable and impartial news agency it would be appropriate for inclusion, but such is not the case. Once again, this claim comes entirely from the group itself, and seems like a sensational attempt to get attention rather than a reliable reporting of fact.  This sort of rumor-mongering does not belong in Wikipedia.
---- Death threats and rape threats where actually edited into the wikipedia article.  That's hardly a rumor.  Anti-racists are some of the most violent people I've ever had the misfortune to encounter on-line.  That said, I don't think the content is important enough to me for me to do a reversion.  Please sign your comments with four tildes. - A. 14:22, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Positive/Negative Response Link

message: I see no good reason why the anti-PB forum should be deleted.  Its topical and provides balance. 71.243.120.96 22:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a linkfarm. Blogs are not reliable sources and all links do is serve to publicise them. Read WP:EL. --GraemeL (talk) 22:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am fine with that as long as PB's "fan" forum is also not linked.  A blog is a blog, a forum is a forum.  But I have noticed that you have also deleted relevant pieces that criticize the group and provide the reader with a better understanding of what this group's ideas are. For example, the link to Lamb's call in the KERN radio station. For the sake of balance, and because this particular link is straight from the horse's mouth, I think this link should be restored. 38.2.108.125 13:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Deleting this link because of an "external program" needed strikes me as lame and not really in keeping with Wikipedia policy.  Playing an MP3 only requires an MP3 player, which most people have.  Any MP3 player works. You don't need to download a specific one.  If the site required a specific program, I would agree, but this really is not the case here. Using this logic we would have to remove links to any website that uses shockwave or displays images.  My opinion. 38.2.108.125 13:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read the link I supplied above, you will see that sites that require shockwave are not acceptable either. --GraemeL (talk) 14:21, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please do not accuse me of linking to commercial site or to "my own webpage" on my talk page.  That is NOT what I have done,a nd I feel that accusation is out of line.  I think we have a legitimate disagreement.  I also feel that the link to a talk program which Lamb Lynx made a call to discussing her thoughts about white separatism is highly relevant to this page.  I have read the link above, and I do not believe that it says anything about forbidding links to MP3s.  I would like to hear other opinions before I reinsert the link. 38.2.108.125 19:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links? 

message: I placed a pronunciation in the article only because I've seen and heard more that one pron/spelling. I've seen at least two articles spelling the name GEDDES.  The official website does spell it as it appears in WP.
Avsn 04:29, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not so Minor edit 

message: I noticed that someone added that Lamb and Lynx have a little sister named Dresden, and that this was deleted as not being sourced.  This actually is well-sourced, and not just on racist blog sites.  The Guardian mentions it in a recent article http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,,1693062,00.html, and I am pretty sure that several other news sites have mentioned it. Its not the most important factoid, but since it is only a matter of time before April Gaede starts pushing her third well-indoctrinated daughter into the racist limelight, we might as well document it. I think the "Ideology" section, where other family members are mentioned, would be the appropriate context to mention the younger sister. 38.2.108.125 21:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that it's (somewhat) notable that we mention the fact that Dresden exists (mostly due to what her name says about her parents' beliefs), but I should point out it's very important not to make any unsupported claims about Dresden or how she's being raised.  One short sentence should do.  Kasreyn 09:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you have any intention to do contructive work on this article, or is your only purpose here to continue making offensive comments such as that one?  This is not a discussion forum, a soapbox, or a political debate.  Kasreyn 09:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dresden Gaede 

message: Are they actually 'Prussian' or is this just a gimmick to gain credibility in the neo-Nazi underground?TurnerDrankHooch 00:08, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestory 

message: Added http://www.jp.dk/english_news/artikel:aid=3519478:fid=11324/ to Ideology section.  This is just one of many articles but it is in english and WP users who speak english can get to other related articles.Avsn 01:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prussian Blue is not mentioned in that linked article. Also see below. Wyss 01:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added JP (danish newspaper) link 

message: Prussian Blue is not mentioned in the article cited in the text below, which I have placed here pending verification. Wyss 01:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PB endorsement of cartoons not verified