Talk:Iron Fist (character)

message: You can't have an Iron Fist article without mentioning "like unto a thing of iron". Who took it off? And why?
:It's been added back.(mercurywoodrose)75.61.135.151 (talk) 02:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The Thing (of Iron)

message: There is no proof at present that Iron Fist is Daredevil.
It was removed from the Daredevil site so shall be removed from here, unless of course you would like to show some proof?
You have put this back without proof? Are you some high and mighty god? Though I haven't deleted because of Cable/Deadpool 30, it is still only speculation. I do hope it is Iron Fist though... - 88.106.226.168  
:Read Daredevil #87, out this week. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Daredevil

message: The cover gallery needs to go, immediately. It fails WP:FUC #3 and #8, and also WP:NOT. We don't need the covers to explain what happens in these issues (FUC #3; in this case, zero images suffices as well as one), these images aren't necessary and often aren't useful for illustrating the events in the corresponding issues (FUC #8), and Wikipedia isn't for galleries of images (WP:NOT).
It wouldn't be a problem if some of these images were used at the corresponding places in the body of the article, but a gallery of fair-use images generally isn't kosher. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 13:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to note that fair use does not magically become more legitimate just because the pictures are used in the "corresponding places". It's just as strong or as weak if it's elsewhere on the same page. If the position is that it's okay because it's talked about in the article, it really doesn't matter where the picture is as long as it's somewhere on the same page (then it becomes about aesthetics, not fair use). Conversely, if it isn't okay, then it doesn't matter where it is because it's not going to be fair use. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: This is a copyright issue, and I strongly suggest we wait for discussion at the comics Wikiproject before you revert the gallery back into the article. (I will shortly start a new topic on talk, there.) I'm almost certain that this issue has already been discussed before. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:01, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I liked the gallery, and it didn't seem to take up much space. --Basique 14:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not a matter of fair-use rationale or taking up space. This is a gallery of fair-use images, which is generally disallowed, as failing WP:FUC #3 and #8, and WP:NOT. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I used the word "generally" to mean "in general," meaning that these rules apply to all cases. "It doesn't take up much space" and "it's at the end of the article" doesn't solve the problem that this article violates those rules. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Intentionally so. The fair-use rules need to be construed narrowly; to do otherwise damages the ability to republish Wikipedia content. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: As may be, allowing galleries such as this seriously diminishes the ability of others to republish Wikipedia content. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:43, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Galleries of fair-use images aren't allowed per WP:FUC because allowing them would make it harder to republish Wikipedia content. (That's part of the "free" in "Wikipedia: the free encyclopedia.") I've been consistent on this point. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 14:55, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Any image that's not subject of significant discussion within the text needs to go. As it stands, the images serve a decorative purpose. Combination 15:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Those pages also probably need a lot fewer images. Fair-use images should only be used when they are absolutely necessary to illustrate the text; if you're adding text to justify a bunch of copyvio images, you're working backwards. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Describing the key issues is important. You should do that. You don't, however, need a massive gallery of copyrighted images to describe the key issues.
8 images is hardly massive, it's not like there's 20 or 30 which would be excessive.  Why is your opion on the number more valid than anyone else's??FrankWilliams 16:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: As for the other articles, I've been removing unnecessary fair-use whenever I find it. It's just that it's a thankless job and there's so much to do. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 15:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: In the event that there is controversy, this needs to err on the side of exclusion. Worst-case, these are copyvio, best-case they can be replaced harmlessly. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The cover gallery 

message: This gallery is still completely unnecessary. While some of these images may be useful to illustrate specific points made in this article, the gallery as whole isn't illustrating anything; it's just lending pretty pictures to a discussion of various Iron Fist firsts. There's no need to have a dozen images illustrating this article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Enough

message: Added that he will be starring in new ongoing in November, written by Brubaker and Matt Fraction. Just a minor edit, coupled it with the Doctor Strange tidbit. (Spike412 13:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing series 

message: I'd like more specific complaints to be raised here regarding this. The in-universe perspective complaint is not invalid, but the problem is that there doesn't seem to be much other available information on the publication history and conceptual history aside from what is already mentioned in the lead paragraph. The presence of the tag makes it sound as if it's a bad article or written badly; which is isn't. It just doesn't have the information that isn't available to be had. 
Unless someone raises specific complaints here in the next few days, I'll remove the tags. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:52, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, at least this is something specific we can work with and address. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup tags

message: Stop abbreviating Iron Fist to IF. This is an encyclopedia. This is particularly bizarre since some of them are wikilinks which means you are putting in more work to make thge abbreviations. Try using cut and paste. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not add abbreviations to the article. 

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To start, here is the article as it stood before the content dispute . Here is the page after FrankWilliams edits, and the diff. One editor tried rewriting the relevant paragraph, . I then reverted the new content out wholesale, using an edit summary to give an explanation of my reasons. It was RV'd by FrankWilliams . I Re-RV'd , and went to the talk page, where I tried in depth to explain the situation as I saw it. FrankWilliams Re-RV'd the content back in, , and replied at talk. I took it out, and put on talk that I'd be bringing it to RfC. I asked that in the meantime he stop editing it further, and wait until we got some comments. instead, he insisted I was 'wrong', , and that it would go back in. I find it frustrating that much of my words in the Talk explaining WHY it should be removed is being thrown into the article, "The use of flagship characters to aide in the introduction and support of lesser characters is also commonplace." I said it here, and he added it here . I didn't add it to the article because although it's plain sense to those of us who read comics over the years, and makes business sense to anyone who heard it, I can't support it as the reasoning used by Marvel in the Iron Fist cases. His use of my words in this way comes off as patronizing, and hostile. Can we get some comments from disinterested persons? ThuranX 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I happened across the page and removed the images because I saw them as excessive. They are, especially with the specter of Fair Use roaming about. A bunch of covers with Iron Fist and some irrelevant characters does not tell me anything that the text doesn't. They are purely decorative and illustrate nothing. ' 21:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The use of images purely for decoration is clearly prohibited by the WikiProject Comics guideline on copyright. Taking a look at the image files, the uploader has not even attempted to write a fair use justification for them. I think it's pretty clear that they do not meet the fair use standard. As for the argument that some things just don't need to be cited, that doesn't jibe with WP:V. --GentlemanGhost 15:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment 

message: Shouldn't we put up something about Fist in MC2 continuity or something about Dragon Fist? I was really surprised tosee that this had been overlooked. --65.188.7.188 18:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not. No one bothered to add it, so it's not there. Happens all the time. If you feel it's important, and can support your edit with citation, add it. ThuranX 22:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MC2 and Dragon Fist 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:MP-15.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Newironfist.jpg

message: This page has been vandalized. Especially the "background" section. I don't know enough about Iron Fist to fix it but I thought I'd mention it.
2/20/08
:YOu can use the history tab to examine the differences between edits, find the most recent non-vandalized version, and edit that, and just save it, and that will restore a non-vandalized version. ThuranX (talk) 12:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: So says Newsarama -  - does this deserve a mention in the publication history, given that they were the creative team behind the success of the relaunch? --81.151.218.14 (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fraction and Brubaker leave with #16

message: Shou-Lao is a Serpent or a Dragon? There are many confusing statements in other media.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.141 (talk) 12:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shou-Lao the Undying 

message: I'm a bit confused about Danny's abilities. It was stated that he plunged his hands into the molten heart of Shou-Lao the Undying Serpent or Dragon and it infused him the power of the Iron Fist. Does that mean he now has the ability to harness his chi to perform superhuman feats or does that mean he has the ability to harness his chi to tap into the mystical power of Shou-Lao to perform superhuman feats?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.53.78.141 (talk) 12:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: six of one, half a dozen of the other. Either way, Iron Fist uses his chi to whup ass. whether there's an intermediate step or not would have to be explicitly confirmed in a citable source. ThuranX (talk) 16:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chi augmentation? 

message: This time with rationale, so hopefully the bots don't yank it suddenly. Moved previous image down into the article.
Cybertooth85 (talk) 07:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't in accordance with the Comics Project guidelines - the one that was in (and has been put back) is the classic and long-running look of the character, we try and avoid using the very latest character designs. Feel free to add that image into the article lower down though. (Emperor (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would disagree with that interpretation of the guidelines. Luke Cage, Cyclops, Iron Man, all have more recent depictions of the characters than their "long-running" and "classic" looks (or should we put a picture of "Power Man" up as the best example of that character?). The modern series has been running for over two years at this point, and generally re-established the Iron Fist character's place in the mainstream Marvel universe. Pictures are there to give the best full example of the character without artistic distortion, full stop. Nothing is officially established about "most iconic" or "most historic" looks, beyond keeping things from getting into "alternate versions" of the character. For the time being I'll re-organize the picture's place, but I would argue for updating the featured picture. Cybertooth85 (talk) 18:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some of those examples are problematic and the Luke Cage one in particular is failing the guidelines badly and we can't really base it on WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, especially if the other stuff is often a bad example. As you say - it has been two years, compared with decades in the other costume so it ticks the long running look. I am happy to ask for more input on this if you like. (Emperor (talk) 20:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  While it may not apply in this article's case (as the previous and current renditions are not too separate), getting a more clear ruling on whether comic character article pictures are to feature a "most iconic" look; an example that readers would use to recognize the character in their current use (as opposed to something from a period of publishing since ceased); or merely the "most complete example" of a character, being a full-body pose without much background interceding or artistic distortion. Cybertooth85 (talk) 18:28, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-added Immortal Iron Fist pic

message: In the current series, the writers have established that the Iron Fist is a millenia-spanning legacy which many men and one woman have died for. Now before meeting Orson Randall did Danny knew that the Iron Fist is a actually a legacy? That there have been others who have come before him? We know that Orson stole the Book of the Iron Fist that why Danny has no idea about their history. But that is one thing, in common sense the people of K'un-Lun know of previous Iron Fists and no one bothered to tell Danny? The same thing goes for the six other cities and their Immortal Weapons. I feel sorry for the Iron Fist comics, it very very cool but this set up leaves one too many wholes that screws the story.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbritp (talk • contribs) 07:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One whole too many 

message: Yesterday I changed the Main article picture to the cover of Immortal Iron Fist #1 (Later in the Article.) I thought it shows the character as a more recent version of him. The current picture seems to be more of a older-less realistic style. I didn't think anyone would mind, but I guess someone does. Any comments about that? Anything about the current picture important? Bullseen (talk) 04:51, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Picture 

message: I've notice that the summary to the link for the name of the former comic book series that Iron Fist had starred in is likely to be a mere copy and paste which is all the more reason to cut it down and make it easier to read. -67.171.250.39 (talk) 05:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Immortal Iron Fist section

message: The rapper Dessa has been quoted as saying that Pollux of Castor & Pollux had metal hands and was a fighter. I can find no corroboration of this idea. However, I would ask whether Roy Thomas was aware of this fact, if true, when creating Iron Fist (comics)?(mercurywoodrose)75.61.135.151 (talk) 03:23, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dessa

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message: Is he able to use dragon's power only in one specific hand or both hands? (Can he use it in both hands simultaneously?) Nothing is said on this in 'powers and abilities' .213.149.51.126 (talk) 17:51, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fist(s) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus. No apparent consensus for move. Not apparent reason for second relisting.(closed by non-admin page mover) — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 21:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Iron Fist (comics) →  – per WP:C2B NeoBatfreak (talk) 16:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

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thread_title:  Requested move 18 August 2021 

message: Due to there being multiple Iron Fists and Lin Lie being the current one, is it possible to move this article to "Danny Rand" while Iron Fist (character) is reworked in a similar vein to Ms. Marvel or Spider-Woman that includes the Other characters named Iron Fist section from Iron Fist (character)? Lipshiz (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible to split this article into two pages?  One new one for Danny Rand and Iron Fist (character) being used for all Iron Fists?