Talk:Carlos Mencia/Archive 1

message: Self-explanatory. 153.106.4.94 07:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnote 1: San Francisco "Chornicle"?

message: Some of this text is copied verbatim from the Comedy Central website. Admittedly, there isn't a lot of information about Mr. Hordell circulating around, but could something at least be written that is a bit more original? --Grain king 9 July 2005 04:18 (UTC)
Seriously, seriously needs to be NPOVed.  This reads like an advertisement, not an encyclopedia entry.  blahpers 16:10, 2005 July 10 (UTC)
I blanked the article, attached the copyvio tag and added the article to the copyright problems page. TaintedMustard 00:25, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been reverted to the first version with no copyright violations (per instructions on WP:CP). There were multiple copyvio's from multipls sites. --Duk 01:00, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio 

message: "Mencia's comedy has been considered by some to be very controversial."
Do we have any actual verifiable information that the show has generated any real "controversy" whatsoever?  Just because Mencia promotes himself as a controversial comedian doesn't mean he is one.  While it might certainly by true that his material might be considered "by some" to be "very controversial," I'm pretty sure that it is also true to say that his style of comedy is "considered by some" to by "very unfunny," "very unoriginal," and "very plagiarized from more famous comedians."  Yet I doubt that any of those adjectives will make it onto this site, even though any of those comments would be easier to source with notable media figures.  In fact, the greatest source of legitimate controversy have nothing to do with "political incorrectness," and more to do with the accusations of plagiarism, this discussion page included.  Which strangely, is no longer mentioned in the aritcle at all.  -Schrodinger82 09:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bullocks.  Most people have never heard about those accusations from those two comics (see the rest of this talk page as to why that information is not being included).  Most people, however, that have heard of Mencia, know any controversy lies in his subject matter (in part because that is how he is specifically marketed).  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 09:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply adding the phrase "most people" to a statement doesn't make it true. First off, Lopez made his accusations on Howard Stern.  According to a google search on Salon.com, Stern averaged 8 million listeners per week.  According to Mediaweek.com, Mencia's show averaged only 1.4 viewers per week.  So unless Stern was in a serious ratings slump the week that Lopez went on, I'm willing to bet that at least as many people heard those comments as the number of people who watch "Mind of Mencia" itself.  Secondly, just because they market the show as controversial, doesn't mean it is.  Marketing doesn't always deliver as promised.  They can market a Paulie Shore movie as the greatest comedy ever written and the blockbuster hit that we've all been waiting for, but I wouldn't put that down as fact, unless we had some actual data to back that up.  Can anyone cite any notable accusations of controversy, that meet the same standard that you are holding the accusations of plagiarism to? -Schrodinger82 10:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What he says is not important. If it were, it would surely cause controversy. 71.198.169.9 11:50, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Controversy" 

message: I hope it won't offend anyone that I removed the "controversial topic" template. After reading this discussion page, it doesn't appear to me that the discussion has become any more controversial than any other discussion of a Wikipedia article. If you want to see what a truly controversial topic looks like, read the pages on God Hates Fags, Cindy Sheehan, or The Muhammad Cartoon Controversy. As is noted on the main page of this Carlos Mencia article, it is mostly Carlos Mencia himself who claims he is controversial. He obviously uses that for a selling point, and it seems to me that labeling this discussion page and this article "Controversial" is only playing into his hands. Lastly, I think that in order for a topic to be "controversial" it has to have some sort of societal impact. As of yet, I would be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks that Carlos Mencia has had a cultural impact of any kind. -- Andrew Parodi 02:38, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of "controversial" template

message: Can someone clarify to me what the following sentence means? 
It is fair to note that Mencia himself is the main proponent of his controversy.
I had interpreted that this means that it is Carlos Mencia himself who is the main person who claims that Carlos Mencia is controversial, and I added a following sentence to clarify this interpretation. As that following sentence was removed, I am considering that perhaps my interpretation of this sentence was incorrect. Does anyone have an interpretation of this sentence that they'd like to share? Andrew Parodi 14:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I didn't ad that line, I think it is fairly straight forward, and provides good balance.  It provides the summation of the paragraph, which starts with "Mencia's comedy markets itself..."  Anything further would just repeat what was just said.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 03:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to me that it is vaguely worded. To say that he is the proponent of his controversy could be interpreted a few different ways; it could easily be interpreted to mean that he simply has a controversial act -- that he is the proponent of his controversial act. It appears to me that what it is actually attempting to say is that Carlos Mencia himself is the main person who finds Carlos Mencia controversial; he is the main proponent of the idea that Carlos Mencia is controversial. I think, if indeed this is what that sentence intends to say, the sentence either needs to be revised with more precise wording, or it needs a follow up sentence to clarify the meaning. -- Andrew Parodi 05:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's based on the fact that the advertisements promote the show as "OMG!!! This is the most offensive show ever, so watch it now before we get sued off of the air!" and try to present the subject matter as controversial.  Unfortunately, the key sticking point to being controversial is whether or not you can generate actual controversy.  Which, you know, he hasn't.  Fact is, most people just don't care about Mencia enough to complain about how offensive he is.  - Schrodinger82 11:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: That is certainly a matter of opinion, of which I have none in this case, however he is popular enough that Comedy Central has committed to a second season.  Billion dollar corporations don't give valuable air time to, nor produce television series for, unknowns.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 01:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Comedy Central is desperate. They recently lost what was one of, if not THE, biggest hit in their channel's history: Chappelle's Show. Carlos Mencia's show is pretty much the same format as the Dave Chappelle show; I doubt they would've ordered another season if Dave Chappelle hadn't walked away from his show. -- Andrew Parodi 04:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Is it necessary to repeat the comment about wetbacks in two different sections of the article. Just seems like a waste repeating the same comment twice?? - 2nd April 2006
That's true. I didn't add the second reference, by the way. I simply copyedited it. I learned through a somewhat ugly experience that making edits to this page can turn ugly -- so I didn't take it upon myself to remove what someone else added, but to copyedit it and expend it for clarity. I'll leave it to someone else to decide whether that sentence should be removed entirely. Andrew Parodi 23:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Proponent of his controversy"?

message: There isn't a SINGLE reference to Mind of Mencia on this ENTIRE page.  Someone please rectify that ASAP! 
On an episode of Mind of Mencia he does a skit where he is a historrian named Ned Holeness. 71.250.193.6 18:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a reference. Check the Discography section. --Tuspm 01:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, does that discography cover...the television show?  No. Batman2005 01:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mind of Mencia? 

message: The proper Spanish spelling of his name is is Mencía.  Has he ever spelled it like that?  "Mencia" would mean that the emphasis would be on the first syllable--"MEN-ci-a" rather than "Men-CI-a."
Trackstand 14:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm totally with yah. Yes his surname is Mencía, however he does not use that spelling. He’s anglicised himself. He goes by Mencia, which sounds complete different in Spanish when it lacks the accent, though he still pronounces it just the same. --Noé Æ 06:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's also not Spanish. VelvetKevorkian 01:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mencia vs. Mencía 

message: Which part of the article would be best to add his phrase "If you ain't laughin' you ain't livin'"? I've heard him say it at least 4 times, so I think it is notable enough to be added. Wikibout-Talk to me! 06:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrase 

message: Why was Carlos Mencia removed from the German American category? 75.3.49.50 05:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  German American 

message: Mencia was removed from the German American category because of false information someone (who was obviously not a fan) inserted about his mother (with the last name "Mencia") being German. The same person or persons included that his birth name was Ned Holness, and that someone in Hollywood suggested he change his name to "Carlos Mencia" to make it sound more authentic. In actuality, and according to IMDB.com, he was renamed Carlos by his family members who adopted him. Therefore his 'stage name' is actually his real name. 
Consider changing 'stage name' to 'birth name' and adding in notes about Carlos being his actual name. Zchris87v 12:33, 10 July 2006
No, his real name is Ned.  He's said that Ned didn't go over so well growing up, so he went by Carlos. Ned is still his legal name. Also, the information is not necesarily by someone who's not a fan.  His IMDB bio originally claimed he was half-german half-honduran, so people who read that before it was changed may believe it's true.  I'm not entirely sure it's not/
Carlos Mencia is a stage name adopted in the 1990's and invented by owner of the Comedy Store, Mitzi Shore.  Mencia's mother is from Honduras, but his father is German and as such he should very much be included among German Americans. This is well known among comics who work at the Comedy Store.  Ned is indeed his real first name.  I believe that Mencia is also a fictional stage name but I've not verified that thoroughly enough to assert it. Magnus 15:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes, Answers, and Questions 

message: http://carlosmencia.com/content/bio.php
Common sense will tell you that Carlos Mencia's official website's biography should take precidence over all other internet hearsay.
He was born Ned Mencia.
He was named Carlos Mencia by his foster parents, he did not give himself this name as a stage name.
His mother was born in Mexico, not Germany.
He is 17th of 18 children, not 20.
His ancestry is well documented and he is half Mexican, despite the false claims made by Joe Rogan on his website to the contrary.
The only person who knows for sure about Carlos Mencia's history is Carlos Mencia and his family, and that is the information that should stand until birth records or other legal documents can be referenced that say otherwise.
I ask the admins to help protect Wiki from hearsay and slander.
---Didonato 19:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Received your e-mail, Didonato. Even though I am not an admin, I will do everything I can to stop this. --Tuspm  Talk | Contribs | E-Mail Me 14:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Carlos Mencia's website should not be thought of as a gospel of truth, as it is in his best interest (and by proxy his career's est interest) for everyone to believe he is Mexican through-and-through. Thus, anything that you read on his website should be taken with a grain of salt. Vyarnect 17:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: He has admitted several times on his show that he was born and lived in Honduras before coming to the United States, he has never outwardly claimed himself to be a Mexican, but rather a "Beaner", a racial epithet for Hispanic Americans. Bmg916 16:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  False information needs to stop being reentered 

message: I added this because it was the cover feature for Maxim Magazine and it was removed.  Do not remove something that has been certified by a citation.  Hypermagic
It has been moved and rounded out. Wikibout-Talk to me! 04:13, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  12th worst comedian ever 

message: someone changed the picture to dick cheny and did some other stuff to the page also. i must admit it was rather funny but somebody needs to change it Burger king 16:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. Someone thought it was funny, eh? Personally, myself, I thought it was genius. Pure genius. The end.
Sekort Sev Lewt 18:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick Cheny 

message: On my newsgroup, there's a copy of a story going around that mentions that Mencia might be gay. I didn't see anything listed in the main article about a wife, so should I hunt the article URL down? Or is this old news already?
He's married, I don't know why it isn't in the article. Wikibout-Talk to me! 03:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumor 

message: Of course, I was surprised that even though Mencia states openly in alot of his comedy that he's Roman Catholic (humorously talking about in an episode of Mind of Mencia about the passion of the Christ), I was surprised it wasn't on the wiki, and it has been added.
EDIT: It's still lsited that Mencia takes the the name "Carlos" as a stage name. Should be changed asit is his adopted name.
IronCrow 07:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some More Notes 

message: The name got me curious as to its origin so I did a Wikipedia search and there are articles on Matthew Holness, Adele Holness and Nicole Holness --none of whom appear to be Honduran or Mexican.  Thus what is the ethnic origin of the name and was Carlos' dad part whatever that is?  --A Good Anon 04:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on "Holness" background 

message: Hi everyone,
I was just browsing the page on Carlos Mencia today and I thought I should let you know that the biography section currently reads:
"Mencia was born in ashland. His best friend was scott robbins a amazing guitarist that is awesome. Penis"
I don't know if anyone was aware of this, but if this issue has been discussed before then I apologize for bothering you guys. Keep up the good work and take care :)
66.53.213.21 01:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography 

message: I've read numerous articles claiming that his mother was german, although may have been a resident of mexico at some point. 71.87.7.14 01:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's half-German, half-Honduran.  Zero Mexican. VelvetKevorkian 01:54, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexican at all?

message: Okay, I put this bit of info in the Criticism section:
He was also rated the 38th most loathsome man in America.
I also put in a citation but anyway, the first time I put that there, it was removed because someone thought I was bashing on mencia. I put it back in and then it was removed again because someone else was questioning whether or not it was a real publication. As far as I'm concerned, these people are finding any excuse they could to remove this. Just stop making lame excuses and leave it! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.96.210.48 (talk) 18:03, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the list dubious and not important since practically every celebrity, politician, host, or commentator who had something happen is on the list. I'd have to ask: What newsmaker didn't make that list? Gdo01 18:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop making excuses! 

message: Is it worth mentioning his filmed argument with Joe Rogan at the Comedy Store this past Saturday (02-10-2007) in the criticism section? Joe has an article up on his site about the whole deal: http://www.joerogan.net/main.php?archives=1&article=53945 They argue over whether or not Ned has been stealing material, and in the video provided at the bottom of the article there is even some specific references given. 24.177.164.184 23:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow-up Link : Joe Rogan Banned from the Comedy Store  --Chris Heath 14:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For copyright reasons, wikipedia does not allow Youtube videos to be used as references.  That includes instances where a video from Youtube is simply being linked to or hotlinked. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KimboSlice (talk • contribs) 16:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes zero sense.  Wikipedia should not be concerned with others violating copyrights.  This should be a repository of accurate information.  If the video is on Youtube then there should be a link.  If the video is later taken down from Youtube for whatever reason then remove the link.  However Wikipedia has nothing to do with the original copyright violation is only providing information. Should we take down a link to a video of a policeman beating someone because there might be a copyright violation?  I know this isn't the same thing but any form of censorship is too much for me.  --Hadees 20:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comedy Store Outburst 

message: In an interview, Mencia states "I thought my name was Ned Holness, up until I was 18."
interview Also, though there is no evidence supporting that Ned Holness was his birthname, the green card is not evidence either way, since a green card name can be changed after a legal name change.  See changing name on green card.  So at a minimum, in his own words, he believed his name was Ned Holness until he was 18. --RandomStuff 18:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't understand why it's apparently unacceptable to point out that Holness isn't Honduran, Mexican or any Latin American background.  It's German and the Holnesses we have on this site are all from England or Germany.  Does that somehow make him less funny?  It's an interesting point that goes beyond that question --it would be just as interesting if it were found that Arnold Schwarzenegger's father were called Klaus Fujimori.  --Bobak 23:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I frankly don't care where his father is from but the fact that there is no source for where he is from is the problem. Theres lots of claims that he is German and the name is at least Anglo-Saxon but that doesn't mean he's German. If he's German, where was he born? If he's Honduran, where was he born? This would put to rest the whole thing. I'm sure that Berlin, Honduras doesn't exist. Gdo01 23:38, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why does there have to be an entire section of the article dedicated to a surname that isn't even legally his?  We have a citation from his official site stating that he was born Ned Mencia.  We have a Washington Post article which states that his mother is Mexican and his father is Honduran.  Those who dislike Mencia have been insistent over the years in trying to change how his birth name is displayed on Wikipedia.  They settle for adding the only thing that they can actually prove, that his father's surname is Holness and that Carlos nonlegally used the name to honor his father.  In an Opie and Anthony interview he has clarified that his great grandfather was from the Cayman Islands between Honduras and Cuba.  So what's the point of dedicating a chunk of someone's bio to a name that's legally not theirs?KimboSlice 01:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The matter is simple:  as an accurate biography, it is pointing out, as Mencia has stated publicly, that he believed his name to be Ned Holness until he was 18.  This is an interesting FACT, and has nothing to do with his race.  It is worthy of inclusion, and I repeat, has nothing to do with where he is from, that is a different discussion. --RandomStuff 18:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ned Holness