Talk:Akbar Bugti

message: Robert 04:09, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AFD result - keep

message: better. :) Spinster678 06:10, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: :):):)

message: Someone keeps vandalizing this page with blatant POV statements and propaganda. I did my best to get rid of all the hyperbolic statements but that same person reverted it. Just take a look at the terrible grammar of the article to figure out that this isn't encyclopedic quality. Also, there are a ton of factual errors that im not going to bother dealing with right now. I just wish that people who talk about things on the talk page rather than using wikipedia as their propaganda machine. Sandbreak 16:56, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Biography should only have historical facts not propaganda! 64.173.196.127 01:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Truth and facts

message: What a bunch of garbage. This page is crying out for an edit. I have twice attempted to rewrite this page but someone keeps on reverting them. Also, im assuming that this same person, keeps deleting any comments on the talk page so as to completely ban discussion on the topic. Sandbreak 16:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please review WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Now, tell me what part of the article is POV please. —Khoikhoi 23:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I also dont agree with the author of this clearly biased article. I'm not a fan of Mr Bugti but i've at least attempted to write this article in a non-biased manner. The author has consistently added his own POV into the article.
Have a nice day!
Sandbreak 18:43, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is full of errors

message: Does anyone know what his name is in the Balochi language? We have his Urdu name, but it would also be good if we could have it in his native tongue. —Khoikhoi 23:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand - Urdu is an Indo-Aryan language while Balochi is an Iranian language. Wouldn't his name be pronounced (hence spelled) differently? They're different languages. —Khoikhoi 21:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, what language is this? —Khoikhoi 21:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Spinster678 reverted the article to a much earlier version, thus deleting everyone's edits. Spinster, this is the place to explain what your grievances are. Please don't do that again. —Khoikhoi 08:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened?? 

message: I have restored the article to the updated version that contains much more information about his death, and less irrelevant info about provinces of Pakistan. I have asked Spinster repeatedly what his issues are but he still has not replied... —Khoikhoi 02:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for revert 

message: Shouldn't this be moved to Akbar Bugti or Akbar Shahbaz Bugti? We don't see the Arnold Schwarzenegger article at "Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger". —Khoikhoi 02:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title of this page 

message: This is the most biased article on wikipedia. Akbar Bugti killed so many of his own people how can he be potrayed as a hero. Please redo and give a true picture.
this is not true 103.209.53.227 (talk) 18:21, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Chenge 

message: Speaking as someone who doesn't particularly have an opinion on this fellow, his movement, or anything other than the quality of the article one way or the other, I'm putting in a request for clean-up.  This is quite possibly the sloppiest, poorly-written, non-biographical-contented, non-NPOV "biography" article I've ever seen on Wikipedia.  Considering that it concerns a current event, to say it needs attention is the understatement of the century (or at least the day). Hiddekel 15:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed my request, as 69.193.105.21's revert seems to have cleaned up the article considerably on its own. Hiddekel 16:40, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I was surprised to see this comment - had spent a good bit of time 28 august copy-editing it - and realized it had gone through many reverts and re-reverts - but as of now it seems to be holding up ... but it still needs more references and ground data. Mukerjee 05:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting clean-up

message: Was Bugti an Islamist cleric who loved the Sharia?--Patchouli 15:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  I met him personally a couple of times at the house of Pir Najmuddin Al-Gilani located at Amir Khusro Rd, Karachi.  Pir Sahib had married to his relative.  Bugti's favorite pastime there was to make fun of Islam, concept of God (called him a Baloch), and Rasulallah SAW (said he made up the Quran).  Bugti's politics was about Baloch nationalism, so he displayed Baloch icons like a big beard.  It had nothing to do with Islam, as he did not perform the other requirement ie trim his moustaches. Hassanfarooqi (talk) 16:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Beard Is Gift  to Balouch by God and it Pride of Balouch.Khalidkhoso 04:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugti's ideology on religion

message: Nothing about his personal jails, and how Bugti and his clan used to torture his rivals?
Also...I am surprised to see that there is nothing about force marriages of women to Koran? It is a common practice among Waderas and Nawabs. They usually force their female family members to marry to Koran (if there is mo male available from the family)so that the family wealth won't go outside of family.
Firstly son i myself am related to the tribe and theres no such thing as marriage with quran.... you should do your research from some other source my friend & secondly theres no such thing to keep the wealth in the family. If you are talking about inidan nawabs,,, then I cant say but in Baluchistan nothing like this ever happened atleast not in bugti tribe where someone forced some body to get married with Quran....
Yes, these issues should be included in the article, --Uchohan 04:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Jails and marriages of women with Koran? 

message: I am quite surprised that so many Pakistanis believe there own leaders propaganda considering Musharraf is a dictator an as such cannot be anything but a tyrant.
Why should the Balooch people tolerate their gas being exported when they see none of the benefit? Why should they not fight back when injustice is done to them, it seems to me that the Punjabis have lost their Islamic values in their migration from India.
Such a comment is absolutely inappropriate for an encyclopedia discussion to have.--Uchohan 04:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what the good of Islamic values are.  Iranians voted for an Islamic theocracy in March 1979, but they get no share of that nation's oil revenues while Kuwaitis do.--08:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pakistan

message: According to  this article he liked to juice journalists up with crazy stories, especially that he went to Oxford and that he killed a man when he was 11 or 12. Which is pretty cool, actually :-D
: Hi, I changed the article to reflect this. Thanks a lot for the notice. TheFireTones 17:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oxford and Killing a man at age twelve, inacurrate?

message: To anon editors, please stop adding Bugti's extended family tree. A Wikipedia article is not the place for this. --NeilN talk to me 14:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. I have just deleted a large amount of it. Rubywine (talk) 08:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family tree 

message: On 8 November 2010, Zhanzhao deleted a large amount of unsourced material concerning numerous Human rights violations committed by Bugti which had been contributed by an anonymous user. His submit comment did not even mention the nature of the content deleted. A couple of seconds of googling shows that the material can be sourced to 2006 reports published (amongst other places) on the Pakistani Defence Forum, a site owned by the Pakistani army, and that the allegations are attributed to government factsheets. There may very well be a plagiarism issue here, and I'm not equipped to comment on Wikipedia policy in this situation. However given the serious nature of the material, I think it would have been better (at the very least) to have raised the issue here for discussion, and (perhaps after seeking guidance) to have applied tags calling for sources and a rewrite. I have brought these comments to Zhanzhao's attention on his Talk page. Rubywine (talk) 08:51, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for notifying me about this discussion. The reason I deleted the content was that 1) It was really just a big list of alleged  violations, and 2) I use the word alleged because the whole section as it was previously added was without any reference or sourcing at all, as can be seen from the original edit. At face value it appeared to be a COATRACK edit (huge chunk of text against the subject without any reference), which was why I undid the edit. On top of that, the list as it was added is too overly detailed, which practically doubled the article size and does not adhere to WP:Summary, WP:INDISCRIMINATE nor WP:NOT#STATS. Hope that clears it up. The content basically needs to be referenced and summarized for easier reading. Zhanzhao (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your reply. Yes I can see that the unreferenced material failed to meet Wikipedia rules, and I can also see that what you did is normal practice. Many contributions are deleted because they don't come up to scratch. However I think a big list of alleged human rights violations is a really important thing to acknowledge, even if you just mention in your submit comment while deleting, and at least drop a note on the talk page of the contributor, so they know what they've done wrong. Rubywine (talk) 18:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human rights violations - content deleted without discussion 

message: Looking through the recent history of edits on this article, I can see that the incident above is not unusual. There is a pattern of people deleting contributions from anonymous users without comment. I'm talking here about unsourced anonymous contributions written in poor English, containing relevant content, which appear to have been submitted in good faith. I think it's absolutely wrong to delete such contributions without comment. Some people with knowledge of this region are going to have limited English skills, and little knowledge of Wikipedia's requirements. Deleting the work of non-native speakers or inexperienced editors without comment is counterproductive. We should encourage those who attempt to contribute meaningful content in good faith. They should be offered assistance in reaching the required standards, not censored and ignored. Rubywine (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary deletions of significant content 

message: I put an npov tag on the death section, and added a bit which states that the circumstances are unclear. I hope that this will be sufficient for the moment. 69.221.94.250 20:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:69.193.105.21 deleted my NPOV tag. This is out of protocol. I am reinstating it. Whether or not the assertions made by  69.193.105.21's sources are true is immaterial; it has to be verified and accurately, fairly, and objectively represent all sides of the issue, which these sources do not do. I would edit it myself for neutrality, but lacking any knowledge of Bugti's existance until a few hours ago, and knowing nothing about his death except that it is the result of Pakistani government action, I feel I am unqualified. Lockesdonkey 22:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

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message: Why 2 locks Were Attached To Nawabs Coffin And Did None was Allowed To Watch The Last View Of Nawabs Face Or Body Was There Any Problem With the Body.face or were There Any Other Excuse Because There was Much Hardwork Were Putt To Find The Body Of Nawab! Then if After The Hardwork Body were Founded. Then Why No One Was Allowed To View His Face Even He Was Not A Murderer ... thief .or A Robber He Was A Gentle Wealthy And A Good Strength Good dealing With Honest Person Then why None Seemed His Face Nothing Just For Confirming That Was The Body Of Nawab Sahab Why His Relatives. His Family Members Were Also Not Allowed Or Not Viewable Of His Body Why ?? Was there A Reason Behind . announcing And Immediately Putting Or sealing the Body In A Coffin With 2 Locks On It Why ? its Still Not Expressed Why its Done Very Quickly even Much Hardwork Was Putten To Found The Body It was Better To Make more And More Videos And Photos To Share Them Then Others May Also Take Their Foot Back After Watching The Pictures Of Nawab Sahab Then Why Even Much Robbers Thieves And Riots Of Balochistan Should Be Putten Fown By Making A Conference After Founding Nawab sahabs Dead Body Much Riots Should Go down And Never Appeares It Means no one Wants That at That time To Prevent Balochistan From Riots And Robbers .Althought It Is Still A Mystery That Is Nawab Akbar Bugti Buried in or Still A live At Any Place No One Knows Allah Better Knows 
By-Muhammad Abubakar Mazari 39.48.67.121 (talk) 18:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Or Disappeared Body Of Nawab Akbar Bugti!