Talk:Eskimo Nebula

message: Isn't "Eskimo" not PC these days, like "squaw?" Is this the official name of this nebula? Speciate 06:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eskimo is not a pejorative term. "Eskimo Nebula" is a widely used nickname, not an official name. Unlike asteroids, comets, and moons there are no official names for celestial objects. Finally, except for a few cases catalog numbers of deep sky objects are used instead of names in scientific papers.--JyriL talk 12:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Political correctness

message: Given the weighted nature of the term "Eskimo", shifting opinions among Alaska Natives away from use of the term, and a broad sociopolitical appetite to leave the term in the past within the United States and Canada,, perhaps it's best to migrate the article from the current title "Eskimo Nebula" to simply "NGC 2392" and supplant the use of the term "Eskimo" with the nebula's other colloquial name: the "Clown Nebula" or "Clown Face Nebula". Ponderosapine210 (talk) 00:18, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. NASA just announced that they would be referring to the nebula as NGC 2392. gobonobo + c 14:46, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Article has now been renamed. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:08, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe Woke Nasa has an objection, but the rest of the world probably has no issue with this. Eskimo nebula remains the wp:common name. We should not pander to the virtue signalling pc warriors at Nasa.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.255.236.181 (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Correctness: Revisited 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move. The opposers' rationale is not very strong in comparison to article titles policy. When evaluating common name, all reliable sources are considered not just scientific literature.   (t · c) buidhe 21:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: NGC 2392 →  – This page was renamed without any clear consensus after the NASA statement following the media frenzy about BLM: honestly this is deprecable for WP:Neutrality, WP:Common name (and WP:Astro naming conventions), and especially Wikipedia:Recentism in some way. Thinking that Eskimo is an old nickname is also a nonsense: it's widely used and still will be for long time, and most probably it will also survive the current days, given the wide amount of literature (scientific but also divulgative) already made: looking through Google books, Eskimo Nebula appears to have become the primary name around 1970. Google search for "Eskimo Nebula" has 266,000 results, while "NGC 2392" has 155,000 results, and this is absolutely notable given that "Eskimo Nebula" includes only english results, while "NGC 2392" includes results in all existing languages. Not to mention that the NASA is not the lone authority in astronomy, as well as the US are not the only english language country, and english culture is not the only culture of the world. Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 22:03, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Without wishing to put words into anyone's mouths, I think the argument is that it was originally named Eskimo Nebula in WP and shouldn't have been renamed.  This is a proposal to move it back to the longstanding title.  Lithopsian (talk) 15:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. This proposal is to rename back to its original title, Eskimo Nebula. Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 06:58, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah i see.  I agree it should not have been moved without discussion, so a snow or a no consensus should move it back. That said i think that the wiki bias you bring up is a good reason for it to stay at the current name as "NGC 2392" is  more widespread a name.  blindlynx (talk) 10:05, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   it's less widespread (266,000 Eskimo vs 155,000 NGC 2392). Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 07:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

text: But SIMBAD is only for scientific references. Here in Wikipedia we use scientific+common, as stated in our guidelines. We must use the name that is more easily recognisable by english-speaker communities, and this makes Eskimo Nebula much more known than NGC 2392. Google doesn't lie, and this makes no doubt that Eskimo Nebula is the best known name for it. Also, as said, the NASA is not the only astronomy authority in the world. Wikipedia is not made to influence the culture by creating or pushing new trends, but only to make a portrait of the culture and the knowledges (Neutrality). Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 06:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 October 2020