Talk:German mark (1871)

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:1908-2-7-100large.jpg

message: The article implies that the goldmark was not used after 1914.  That is the year in which the First World War began, but the German Empire did not collapse until November, 1918.  What currency did the German government use during the war? John Paul Parks (talk) 15:24, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As the chart below the article explains, the Papermark. I'm not sure how legitimate that division is, though. Germany probably just suspended conversion, effectively turning "gold-backed" money into fiat currency, without changing the name. Indeed, in German, the currency's name remained "mark." 114.91.67.223 (talk) 15:41, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Currency Was Used During the First World War? 

message: Although the German language uses capitals for nouns ('die Mark'), English doesn't ('the pound', 'the dollar') and I feel that 'the mark' should be used throughout this article. >MinorProphet (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation? 

message: "The name Goldmark was created later"  Late?  When later?  1920?  1945?  1960?  There has to be a concrete year… and *WHO* coined (hah) that name? I come here for encyclopaedic knowledge, not to hunt for info like this myself, _sheesh_ --jae (talk) 17:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name: when 

message: The article suggests that the Papiermark was a different currency from the Goldmark, but my reading suggests that they were both the same currency, the Mark, with the only difference being backing. Could someone with more knowledge on this topic clarify so that we can look at correcting the articles? Note that this issue extends beyond these two articles, with the currencies being listed separately on most lists. BilledMammal (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Hi Walrasiad, did you mean to put this in the move discussion above? I have one source referring to it as "goldmark" but reviewing further such references seem to be few and far between, and most do not distinguish between the "gold mark" and the "papier mark". As such, I think I would agree with you; I have updated the proposal accordingly. BilledMammal (talk) 03:24, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops. yes. Although now that you've changed the RM proposal, not sure I should put it back up there. Walrasiad (talk) 13:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goldmark vs. Papiermark 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
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Moved. See below a solid consensus to rename this article; however, there is little agreement as to the best new title. So under WP:OTHEROPTIONS the choices are:
* German mark (German Empire) – ed. SnowFire
* German mark (1871) – ed. SnowFire
* Mark (German empire) – ed. Walrasiad
* Mark (German Empire) – ed. BilledMammal
* German mark (imperial) – ed. Havelock Jones
We shall rename this article German mark (1871). As OTHEROPTIONS guides us, "...the closer should pick the best title of the options available, and then be clear that while consensus has rejected the former title (and no request to bring it back should be made lightly), there is no consensus for the title actually chosen. And if anyone objects to the closer's choice, then instead of taking it to move review, they should simply make another move request at any time, which will hopefully lead the article to its final stable title". Kudos to all editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 11:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: German gold mark →  – Or to German mark (1871).  Per discussion in previous no-consensus RM, this article's scope should be the mark under the German Empire, similar to German Wikipedia, and it can discuss the move off of the gold standard within this article.  "Gold mark" is an infrequent term only created in retrospect to clarify when the mark was on the gold standard, but it wasn't the name of the actual currency used.  This distinction isn't seen on other articles - we don't have separate articles for the US Dollar under the gold standard & not under the gold standard. SnowFire (talk) 03:38, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  your mind at ease. You've been here almost twenty years, so Udaman SF! P.I. Ellsworth - ed. put'r there 02:09, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Support per nom (prefer first option). I don't have an issue with the double "German" term and I'd be opposed to "Mark (German empire)" as it breaks consistency (see :Category:Mark (currency)). Gonnym (talk) 07:46, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Support moving, but I would oppose the proposed titles. "Mark" should be capitalized to be consistent with usage and Deutsche Mark, while stating "German" twice violates WP:CONCISE. "Mark (German Empire)" would be the best option, I believe, but "German Mark (1871)" is also acceptable. BilledMammal (talk) 05:37, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, there's quite a lot of discussion at Talk:Deutsche Mark as to whether that article should be at Deutsche Mark, Deutsche mark, Deutschemark, German mark, German Mark or German Deutsche Mark, so I'm not sure that the capitalisation the article's landed on is a useful precedent.  Guidance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style suggests currency units are generally not capitalised. Havelock Jones (talk) 10:18, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 31 October 2021