Talk:Lists of birds of Canada and the United States

message: The consensus for group and species bird accounts is to use Handbook of Birds of the World for the northern hemisphere and HANZAB for the southern. This because different regions use different classification systems (at least four English language ones for North America, Britain and Ireland, South Africa and Australia and New Zealand). 
Whilst it is reasonable for a regional list to use its local system, as in this major article, obviously we want to avoid say Peregrine Falcon being constantly moved between Accipitiformes, Falconiformes and Ciconiiformes.
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The use of the term unfortunately is blatently POV regardless of the goodness or badness of extinction.  To address you concern however, extinction is a naturally occuring event that can open new niches in the ecosystem allowing increased diversity in the ecosphere.  While I personaly hold the view that extiction is in geenral harmful in the short term, and that man made extictions may be harmful in the long term, such topics are mroe rightly addressed under the article Views of Extinction. AQBachler 07:09, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Taxonomy

message: Anyone besides me dislike the pictures on the left-hand side of the page? It messes up the left margin of the list, making the list look disorderly and the pictures look misplaced. I say keep the list on the left and the pictures on the right. What does everyone else think? EDIT: In short, I like the format of List of Oklahoma birds. Take a look at that list and compare. EdGl 22:20, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the guy who put most of the pictures in this list, and all of the pictures in List of Oklahoma birds, I think this would be a good idea.  I did North America first, and since doing the Oklahoma list "fixing the images on the NA list has been a project on the "need to do some day list" in the back of my mind. Dsmdgold 00:28, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just went ahead and right-aligned all the pictures (by the way, Dsmdgold, awesome work with all those pictures!) EdGl 02:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: This is probaly old news, but ABA has adopted some family revisions which this list should follow since it follows the ABA list, and Wikipedia species accounts seem to be follwing this split.  For example, Gulls, Terns, Skimmers and Skuas are all split; Pheasants, Grouse, Turkeys are split, Osprey is split from Hawks, and Gnatcatchers are split from Old World Warblers........any objections to updating the list????? I can do a few........Pmeleski (talk) 23:38, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ABA adopting Clements bird family revisions

message: This article has been tagged as needing addition citations. It is already sourced to two authoritative sources on the subject, the AOU, and the ABA. What additional sources are needed? Dsmdgold (talk) 16:26, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Drive-by tag, no justification here, so removed, Jimfbleak (talk) 16:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, maybe I should have posted a link to the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured_list_removal_candidates/List_of_North_American_birds. I believe this article should actually get a  tag, but was proceeding more cautiously for now. Dhaluza (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see update at above-mentioned location re: email from ABA asserting no violation of copyright. MeegsC | Talk 21:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: (not by me though) 
#some species do not have world|NA totals
#family and order fmt different for Limpkin
#numbers less than 10 should be spelt out.
Jimfbleak (talk) 10:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs copyedit

message: OK, since when has Swallow-tailed Gull been spotted in NA? Sure, it's native to the Galapagos, but still... I need proof. Does anyone have any links to this?
Thanks!
--HoopoeBaijiKite 03:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swallow-tailed Gull?! 

message: I'm still uncomfortable with the name of this article, I'd be comfortable with List of birds in Canada and the continental United States.  I know Hawaii is mentioned as not included in the text, but the title still suggests it does.  Trying to be accurate. Happy New Year everyone!.....Pvmoutside (talk) 13:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: More silliness

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* Split this article
# Darekk2 (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested split - survey 

message: This is very good and beatiful article, but loads maybe a little to slow. Not so much like List of North American birds, but could be split in 2-4 separate articles. For example:
* Non-passerines 556 species
* Passeriformes 413 species
Each one with table of contents at the top linking to other ones.
Darekk2 (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion 

message: Some of the recently added IUCN statuses appear to be for species that aren't actually covered by the Red List (such as the Hoary Redpoll and Wilson's Snipe). Is this due to recent taxonomic changes and if so, how should we deal with these cases? mgiganteus1 (talk) 08:21, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  IUCN Red List 

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message: I propose that this article be merged into the List of birds of Canada and List of birds of the United States.  With the American Birding Association's adding Hawaii into the ABA area, this list largely becomes a duplicative list of the USA list.  No other regional list is made up essentially of 2 countries......Pvmoutside (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge. This also the same as saying support deletion, as there is nothing in this article that is not already duplicated on the two country list pages. Alternatively, it could be returned to what it once claimed to be - a list of birds of North America (either including Central America or from Yucatan north). Loopy30 (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Support: <humor>Unless someone wants to start creating List of birds of X and Y for all contiguous countries.</humor> Yes, per above.  SchreiberBike | ⌨  18:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

text: Support: I like Pvmoutside's suggestion (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Birds) to reduce it to a disambiguation page with links to the two individual country lists.Craigthebirder (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: list has been split....Pvmoutside (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal