Talk:Dissociative fugue

message: I cant find anywhere in the article where it mentions how the term 'Fugue State' was decided upon.  I am curious as to whether it is related to the musical term 'Fugue', as I can mentally draw some oblique parallels (sic) between the concepts.  Would somebody be so kind as to add this small piece of history in near the top?  220.245.239.93 (talk) 12:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of term?

message: The long list of fictional cases is out of place in an article on psychology. A couple of disctinctive cases that may shed light on the psychological point of view can be informative, but this laundry-list of pop-culture references that have little or nothing to do with the actual psycological state are very much out of place. Fugue is typically misrepresented in popular fiction, television, and film. Giving so much space to these pop-trivia examples detracts from an encyclopedic treatment of the issue. It should be totally, or largely, removed.
I agree with the below critic of somebody's colloquial definition of a fugue state as 'being in the flow'.  I have never heard of this, & have been unable to turn up any supporting references at all, in the Oxford English Dictionary or various search engines.  Perhaps it's a very local dialect?  More likely a pure idiolectical usage.  Doesn't belong here until references to its general use can be provided.
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From the article:
:"Also called a "fugue state" by non-psychologists is the state of mind attained by a gifted pianist ..."
Really? I am a gifted pianist, and I just call it "being in the zone" ;-) -- Tarquin 22:00 Oct 15, 2002 (UTC)
I'm a dancer and I've been in "the zone". I've also been in an actual fugue state. I can tell you, they are NOTHING alike.
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I think the only examples to be included in 'Media' ought to be where the fugue state is made explicit as such. In both the movie mentions I removed, the 'fugue state' is an element that resolves the suspense/drama and isn't acknowledged till later in the movie. Gyan 20:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "People who enter into a fugue state may disappear, running away to a completely different geographical region and assuming another identity."
May? The resources I have found say people in dissociative fugue do leave their homes and assume new identities. I'm not saying it's wrong, but I would like to see a source that confirms this. --AmyBeth 00:53:14, 2005-08-16 (UTC)
'May' implies that the author is giving his permission lol !  I think the word is 'might'.  The article gives the impression that the author is only partially literate: I have changed 'alternate' to 'alternative', which I think is what is intended.  Andrew Smith  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.50.77 (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictonal cases

message: There should be a reference to the first cases of fugue. Dr Ian Hacking has a book called "Mad Travelers." He recounts the first cases and notes that they were all clerks, artisans, and small shop owners. This argues that something else other than sudden distress involving life situations is causing disappearances. (Dr Hacking blames sociological niches.)
Today students are disappearing. The connection between the 1880's epidemic of fugue and today’s student disappearances is that all the victims are knowledge workers. 
An outbreak happened at Miami of Ohio in 1953. Several students disappeared, recovered, then returned with amnesia of the events  during the episode. When Ron Tammen disappeared they thought he would return too. The story is posted at the Library site Miami of Ohio. The link and discussion is on the Missing Students page at VisionAndPsychosis.Net.
The problem is a failure to provide Cubicle Level Protection for those who must study or perform knowledge work in dorm rooms, homes, or small business, "unprotected workspace." 
There are several pages on fugue at VisionAndPsychosis.Net. 
http://visionandpsychosis.net/mysterious_disappearances.htm
http://visionandpsychosis.net/Missing_Students.htm
http://visionandpsychosis.net/Dissociative_Fugue-Cases.htm
L K Tucker 14:02, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mad Travelers

message: 209.78.47.227 03:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  earlier goatse experience 

message: The intro is too long, rambling and fairly incomprehensible. It should start by saying in plain language what a fugue state is. Ben Finn 21:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: First, the fugue state, dissociative fugue and DID are not related, despite parallels in deiagostic criteria.  Trying to draw a line between the two is plain poor scholarship.
Second, this is not a term paper, it is an encyclopedic article.  Whomever is using the "therefore"'s, kindly stop.  You are presenting information, not trying to convince the reader that the topic is valid.
This article, at second look, is quite poorly written, and the information contained herein is all willy-nilly.  I am hoping that we can make a serious effort to clean it up. --DashaKat 13:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a term paper 

message: I'm just a kid who is doing a health project, but on the LSD page it says "There is also some indication that LSD may trigger a dissociative fugue state in individuals who are taking certain classes of antidepressants such as lithium salts and tricyclics."
Then on the Fugue State page it says that "Unlike retrograde amnesia, Dissociative Amnesia is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance."
Now, that seems just a little bit wrong.
If I totally messed up the format, I'm sorry.  Just wanted to let you people know.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.91.108 (talk) 23:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untrue sentance 

message: "this is not a term paper" My friend all Wikipedia articles are just that, poorly written term papers. There is no professionalism or expertise involved. That's why college professors flunk students who cite Wikipedia. 
"dissociative fugue and DID are not related, despite parallels in deiagostic criteria" The first mistake made is to refer to the DSM. The authors admit they don't know what causes any of the "disorders" they list. That means they don't know where one disorder ends and another begins or the connections between them. Potential connections have been mentioned in presentations and papers.
"Fugue is such a rare occurence, it is unlikely that there are enough recorded cases to make an argument for any of this." The problem is that to record a case someone must seek psychiatric help. Every fall and spring college students go missing. A very few recover and return or are found alive. They exhibit psychiatric symptoms and altered mental states sometimes with amnesia. That hints at a fugue state and Dissociative Fugue.
The definition of Dissociative Fugue used in the DSM involves finding someone that left their life and assumed a new life with no memory connecting the two. Little is known about the events near the disappearance. They do not know what causes it. Psychosocial reasons are given without proof. 
There are cases each month in popular media of people who without warning, out of character, and without mental problems disappear. There is sometimes circumstantial evidence that these are fugue cases. It is seen as rare because psychiatrists and psychologists tell us that. It may not be rare at all.
Visit my site and read the Dissociative Fugue, Mysterious Disappearances, and Missing Students pages for cases and links. 
I am the copyright holder and grant permissions with correct citation and a link back. 
: That’s on the off-chance you ever become recognised as a reputable source. “Someone who has a webpage” isn’t that, though. Not that it’s necessary for fair use anyway, and not that “a link back” can be demanded.2601:1C2:5000:1472:A862:493D:ADA0:7987 (talk) 10:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Disagree 

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thread_title:  is liam neesons character in "unknown" in a fugue state? 

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message: Epilepsy and idiopathic seizure disorders are often characterized by a temporary loss of awareness of one's surroundings and the sudden uncontrollable and or unconscious compulsion to wander, look for an imagined fictional destination, and an uncontrollable sudden desire to change one's environment by searching for another place by walking or driving, (if in an automobile), accompanied by an only semi-conscious awareness of one's surroundings or physical, geographic location. The fugue state is also accompanied by confusion with a feeling of being lost in the physical directional sense and if indoors, often a strong compulsion to find and go to another part of the building which doesn't actually exist, often an imagined stairway to an upper storey that does not exist. One also only vaguely recognizes people whom one knows quite well, even intimately. When one comes out of the fugue state, she/he is unaware or only vaguely aware of what transpired. Normalcy returns and the person continues as if nothing happened. Patrick 94122 (talk) 00:32, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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replies: text: Fugue state →  – Per the Manual of Style/Medicine-related articles (MOS:MED): "The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name that is most commonly used in recent, high-quality, English-language medical sources". "Dissociative fugue" is the established psychiatric term for this. It is the term used by both main authorities on psychiatric taxonomy, the ICD-11 (and 10) and DSM-5 (and IV). These are the two standards relating to names of diseases listed at the Manual of Style at MOS:MED. ("Fugue state" is frequently used in novels and other non-scientific sources that do not qualify as reliable sources.) SilverLocust 💬 01:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

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