Talk:Preston, Lancashire/Archive 1

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thread_title: [[File:Red Rose Badge of Lancaster.svg|45px]]News

message: There is key evidence that there was going to be a motorway called the M59 running from Liverpool M58
and Coming up to Preston following roughly the A59. Herein, there would be a link from the M65 and the M59 would run to the Missing junction 2 at the M55. 
Is there any evidence for the 1980s motorway around western Preston? Was any of it built and where is it? Longwayround 17:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: try (cbrd.co.uk) for info on it. Not sure if it's reliable enough to be quoted though. --RedHillian 23:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: West Preston motorway

message: The article states: 
During the Roman period the road called Watling Street from the Setantian port of Neb of the Nese passed one mile north of Preston. The Roman road from Languavallium in Cumberland to Condate in Cheshire intersected in Preston at Tulketh-hall.
Where on earth did this come from? the Watling Street didnt go anywhere near Preston. It went from Dover to Shropshire. G-Man 18:31, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Watling Street

message: Why don't we move this article to Preston, Lancashire, and make Preston the disambiguation page.--coblin 22:45, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving this article

message: While reverting vandalism I saw and removed
*Miscellaneous
**The boy who ate his dog, David lowry
**Wooden Man erected
If they were supposed to be in there then please replace. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, the "Piddler in the River" does exist but we'll need his real name before he can have a place here =) doktorb wordsdeeds 14:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  IIRC it's called "Gauging the Ribble" and it's refenced on one of the pictures at Ribble Link. --RedHillian 23:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't it "Gauging the Ripple"? Apparently there are plans to replace thewooden one with a cast iron version. Can this be verified? Nick 3216 (talk) 21:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Odd

message: took this line out  *SpunkFluff FM - student radio 1350am/mw as it doesn't seem credible, there no source, no google hits for it and it's not listed in the student union or uni websites. If it is the new am station, it can go back in, but not before it's got sources. --RedHillian 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SpunkFluff radio

message: While most of this article is about the city of Preston, parts of it are about Preston District, a much larger area (and shown in the map at the top). It's not clear whether some of the facts quoted are about the city or the district. I suggest there should be a separate Preston district article, but I don't know for sure what would go in it.--Dr Greg 12:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. I do not believe it is useful to anyone to suggest, as some have, that Garstang, Leyland and even Chorley are actually in Preston. Longwayround 08:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes sense to have separate articles for the city and the local authority. For starters, quite a lot of material from this article could be transferred to a new local authority article. ---- Eric 19:29, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I was surprised just now to find that Preston and City of Preston are not seperate articles. Whilst it works well for some articles (Manchester, Warrington, Bristol), I do think this is an article that would certainly benefit from a split. Jhamez84 02:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  City vs. District 

message: Would it make sense for details of the Tithebarn project to be included elsewhere? I fear that there may be some duplication on the Preston bus station page. At the very least, I suspect the project is worthy of its own section within this page. Longwayround 15:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tithebarn project 

message: I have removed the information about the  Bus Station which is duplicated elsewhere, particularly the oft-repeated myth that it is the largest bus station in Europe. Longwayround 18:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bus Station 

message: I think the section on the Fishergate Centre needs updating, epecially as the given website www.fg2.co.uk seems to link to some company manufacturing roof trusses!  MrPloppy2 (talk) 12:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fishergate 

message: Is the recently added section about Preston's tallest buildings really appropriate for inclusion? I don't think Preston is a city which contains a significant number of unusually tall buildings. Admittedly, St. Walburge's church spire is exceptionally tall on a national scale (and perhaps even on an international scale) but the other buildings listed are mainly tower blocks of the type I would imagine are found in many towns and cities across the country, and therefore unremarkable. Perhaps the 'Tall Buldings ...' section should be removed; one or two of the other high buildings could instead be mentioned in the section text, as St Walburges is. Beejaypii (talk) 13:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I agree, unless someone can give a compelling counterargument. --Dr Greg (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, we've waited 10 days and nobody has defended the inclusion of the table of tallest buildings. I've just removed it from the article for the reasons given above. Beejaypii (talk) 22:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Landmarks

message: I have tried to make sense of the paragraph on the Roman period, but on reflection, what is the point of describing roads from centuries before Preston was founded? It adds nothing to the story of Preston's development, and unless anyone objects in the next few days, I shall delete it. Grafen (talk) 15:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would urge caution. Even if this paragraph gets turned around to be an explanation of why Preston was (apparently) NOT a Roman town - curious with it lying so conveniently between Ribchester and Kirkham. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to remember reading, somewhere, there was a small Roman fort at Walton-le-Dale where the Roman road crossed the river. --Dr Greg (talk) 17:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine by me. If you think the paragraph might be developed into something useful, I shall leave it alone. Grafen (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: During the Roman period...

message: "Preston City councillors serve a four-year term.... one councillor from each of the three-member wards is elected every year for three years, and those representing 2-member wards being elected in alternate years. Every fourth year there are no Preston City Council elections.."
For 3-member wards, a fourth fallow year makes arithmetic sense. But, presumably, 2-member ward councillors can be elected only in alternate years of the first two in any four year cycle, with years three and four also being fallow? "Electing in thirds" thus seems a bit of a mis-nomer, as all wards are not 3-seaters. But how are resigations, deaths in office, and so on, handled? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As a candidate in local elections recently, I hope to be able to explain this one. The term is "elected in thirds" but it is a bit misleading. Whilst each three member ward has elections each year for one councillor, the two member wards elected every other year on a kind of rota basis (to give one example, the two-member University ward elected in 2003 for one member, 2006 for its second member, 2007 to re-elect its 2003 member. As it goes 2009 is a fallow year (as was 2005),so the next election will be 2010).  Another two-member example is Cadley, with elections in 2004, and 2006, the member elected in 2004 was re-elected this year. It would help - imo - to have all 3- or all 2- member wards to stop any confusion, but such is life...doktorb wordsdeeds 04:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Electoral arrangements

message: I removed some comments related to a proposed tram system because it seems highly premature to include them at the moment.  There is no proposed route, no proposed funding and no planning application has been made.  Despite this there is supposed to be a tram system "very soon".  Within ten years would seem ambitious even if the council and other relevant authorities were to press full steam ahead with such a scheme immediately.  But regardless of timescales, a few remarks by a couple of councillors both here and in Blackpool do not establish credibility.  Nor does a single meeting with a tram company - there hasn't even been a feasibility study done.  If we are going to include this then we can just as easily assert that Preston may well soon become an independent socialist republic based on those famous Valerie Wise comments of a few years ago. CrispMuncher (talk) 17:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tram system 

message: Call me a pedant but what does RPH mean? This occurs in the main article "Preston College - Based in Fulwood with 2 campuses near the RPH and Moor Park". I thought I knew a bit of Preston but this means nothing.
:Yeah, that's pretty lazy article writing. RPH is an acronym for the Royal Preston Hospital. Whether it's near Moor Park is questionable too, since it's relative. I reckon the college is at least a 15 minute walk away from Moor Park, in my experience of walking there. GW(talk) 10:37, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, I got confused because of the poor way in which that sentence is structured. If I got confused, having lived here for 16 years, God knows what a total stranger would have thought! There's a campus on Moor Park for the arts, and a campus near RPH for A-Levels and vocational courses. I'll edit the sentence to remove this ambiguity. GW(talk) 10:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPH? 

message: Am I alone in believing that this section adds nothing to the article? Longwayround (talk) 15:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is hardly Wikipedia at its best.  I think at least it needs some serious weeding since many of the areas (e.g. Barton, Whitechapel) aren't even in Preston.  Others are troublesome in that they are not distinct, well recognised areas, e.g. Adelphi.  Yes, I know where they mean but does it amount to an area?  The fact that it does not have a single name lends credence to it not being - most people I know still refer to that area as the "Poly roundabout".  Similarly, if Adelphi is an area then Withy Trees certainly is, but that is absent from this list.  I'm not saying that it should be present but it does show the list is inconsistent.  I think I'm going to go through that list and remove any entries that are clearly not within the city limits now.  That is for starters, it will still need cleaning up after that. CrispMuncher (talk) 16:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just starting checking which of them are actually in Preston and I see a problem in that many of these areas are actually covered by Preston council.  We need to separate them up into two classes in my view: areas of the city itself and and outlying areas. CrispMuncher (talk) 16:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved this section to List of places in Preston, Lancashire Longwayround (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Areas and estates

message: May I question as to why the article cites Fylde as part of Preston? I live in Blackpool and I have never heard of Fylde being in Preston it belongs to the Fylde Coast. Warton is also not in Preston it is in Fylde which is a totally separate area. Christian1985 (talk) 23:00, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fylde? 

message: Hello,
The population is quoted as 131,000 and references the 2001 Census. In the census I can only find 129,000.  Can you advise where this higher figure comes from and where the district figures are from. 
Ta
Pete CoUk (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 131,000 is the mid-2007 estimate. The estimates can be found in the external link at the end of this article (it's a Rar file). Nev1 (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: Arms of the former Preston RDC:  Probably not enough content in this page to justify including them. (moved down from top).--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Preston Rural District has a separate page, it could be used there (although it would probably have to be uploaded again as the image was deleted). snigbrook (talk) 21:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rural district arms

message: I would like to arise the problem that in history I have noticed that someone with the IP address '91.85.224.76' changed the ethnicity section of this page. He had changed the religion subsection from saying that '8.2% as Muslim' to '8.2% as shoebomb carrying muslims'. Soon after he deleted that, but I was wondering whether we should report this person for even using the privilege of being able to edit pages to put something extremely racist?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MJLRGS (talk • contribs) 21:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you remove your own vandlism, doesn't make it acceptable in the first place. It's just the editor in question has been a bit more sneaky about it (Wikipedia:Vandalism). GW(talk) 15:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

text: That IP address hasn't made any edits since then, and we can't be sure any future edits from that address have been made by the same person. So all we can do is wait and see if they do something similar in the future. If they do, slap a warning template on their talk page. If they repeatedly ignore the warnings they can be blocked. (P.S. don't forget to sign your posts on talk pages!) -- Dr Greg  talk  22:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change on religion and ethnicity in late February 

message: I've just noticed that the Education subsection lists several schools and colleges that lie outside the City of Preston district boundaries, such as Alston Hall (Ribble Valley), Runshaw College (South Ribble), Myerscough College (Wyre), Hutton Grammar (South Ribble), Penwortham Girls (South Ribble). Are they justified in being in this article? -- Dr Greg  talk  12:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree but then I would - it was me that added that comment about the city boundaries in the schools section, which someone has chosen to ignore when re-adding Penwortham Girls.  You have to draw the line somewhere and the boundaries of the borough seem the natural place to do it.  The idea that a school or college "serves" Preston is very difficult to define - for instance I know a Preston boy attending Eton.  Surely that means Eton serves Preston and should be on the list?  When it comes to HE institutions you could probably list every institution in the country. CrispMuncher (talk) 16:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Similarly I think we can safely snip the temple image from the infobox.  Its in Chorley.  The fact that it is named "Preston" does not alter that. Those images could do with weeding anyway IMHO.  I notice the panorama has just been added there and in my view that is the only image we need instead of multiple images that are both too small to see and still clutter up the infobox.CrispMuncher (talk) 16:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Places outside Preston