Talk:Charles Willeford

message: Hello, I added a separate Grimhaven article with an exhaustive synopsis.  I know the synopsis is maybe a little long, but I figured it could be useful since it is really difficult to get ahold of a copy of the manuscript.  Please feel free to edit and contribute as you see fit.  --nathanbeach 22:34, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Grimhaven Article

message: I really don't think the links on the book titles are necessary -- most of them are to the wrong thing anyway.  I think I'm going to remove them.  Stop me if I'm wrong.  Here I go... Nathan Beach 17:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nareek: I am not attached to the bibliography format in any way.  It's a little hard to read.  I went down that path (like the Hemingway bibliography) and then just sort of liked it (rather than really liking it).  Please change as you see fit... --nathanbeach 16:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking my suggestion on moving the years--I think it looks better this way, with more emphasis on the titles. Nareek 18:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Book titles, etc

message: Hey everyone -- I've started expanding the Willeford biography as best I can.  Please correct any mistakes.  I'm pulling from several different sources, but I haven't read much of his autobiographical essays or biography yet.  --nathanbeach 21:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got more stuff to add to a "Later Life" section, but haven't had time yet.  Will try to get to it in the next few days... --nathanbeach 14:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biography Expanded

message: I'm awaiting approval (6/15/2005) from Dennis McMillan Press to include their annotated bibliography (my email to them):
I have started the Wikipedia encyclopedia entry for Charles Willeford and would like permission to fully copy the Willeford bibliography on your web site.  If approved by you, the disclaimer text would read:
"This bibliography is excepted from _Willeford_ by Don Herron, courtesy of Dennis McMillan Press"   
"Dennis McMillan Press" will be a link directly to your site.  Please write back and tell me if this is okay.  Otherwise, I will simply include the list of books without commentary.  If you would like to see what the hell it is I'm talking about, please visit this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Willeford
Thanks sincerely!
Nathan Beach (in Dallas)
Response from Dennis McMillan Publications (6/16/2005):
Dear Nathan, Yes, you can use any Willeford material from my site that you want to, but it's Dennis McMillan Publications, not "Press," please. People are always getting that wrong, and that is the official name of my business. A lot of times they only put "McMillan Publications," or "McMillan Publishing," both of which lead to confusion with others of my name in the publishing game, of course. But go ahead with any and all things Willefordian! Dennis
I think the bibliography could be made more user-friendly by being more organized.  The fiction and non-fiction could be separated out, the reprints could be combined with the originals (as they sometimes are), the Hoke Mosely novels could get a subhead.  I think the bolding probably makes it harder to read.  And the numbering is extra information that doesn't add much. Nareek 15:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree -- I nearly did exactly that the other day when I was making changes.  I think sections like these might work: novels (with a separate section for the Hoke Moseley books), poetry, essays/writing collections, biographies.  I will work on this some this week (I can't today) unless you'd really like to, Nareek...?  --nathanbeach 18:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, if it's alright with you I'll go ahead and make a first pass tonight or tomorrow and then you (and anyone else) can make any changes you see fit.  I already made out a list mapping the duplicate titles (reprints) and categorized the books last week on paper when I was working on expanding the bio (I did this because I wanted to get the remaining books I don't have off of amazon).  --nathanbeach 18:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be my guest! Nareek 19:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a first pass (wish I had more time to work right now).  Feel free to make any changes.  I removed the bold on the titles, but now it looks a little bland and may be harder to read.  I hope I didn't make more of a mess than an improvement.  cheers!  --nathanbeach 21:44, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: By the way -- I kind of modelled the bibliography lists after the Ernest Hemingway bibliography.  But there are no comments within that bibliography.  --nathanbeach 21:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think some of the comments could be taken out and used to start stubs for the relevant works. Nareek 04:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For the time being, I disagree. I think the comments give the flavor of Willeford's writing,  the publishing world he operated in, and the respect he earns now. If and when someone steps forward prepared to write not just stubs, but actual articles on individual books--with plot descriptions, publication histories, sales analyses (where available), and critical reaction--then, of course, trimming down the master list will be called for. Without such a dedicated volunteer, I'm afraid stubs will just sit there, virtually unregarded, for a long time, making the reduction of information in the master article a net loss. Of course, there's no harm in testing the waters by retaining the comments on the page as they are, creating a few stubs in addition, and seeing what happens. —DCGeist 05:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography Approval

message: Hey DCGeist: I originally started this response on your personal talk page, but then decided it might as well go here... anyways, thanks for your extensive contributions last night to Charles Willeford, especially all the cross linking to hardboiled crime, etc.  A literary style section would be excellent, and I'm not really the type to do it, so please go ahead by all means.  Very cool new links you added, too -- I'm looking forward to reading them more closely.  I just read the Hoke Moseley books about two years ago and was immediately hooked, though I've still only read 5-6 of his non-Hoke books.  I'm currently working on The Shark Infested Custard and have ordered a bunch more used from amazon marketplace.  Charles Williams looks really interesting -- can you recommend a good starting point with him?  --nathanbeach 15:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Literary style section

message: Reading through that Willeford Archive list was really fascinating.  It's too bad the library website doesn't really seem to work otherwise -- it doesn't seem anything links to the Archive page, and none of the back links work.  The underlaying directory structure is a total mess.  I'm afraid they'll eventually lose that page, so I saved it off to my back up drive just in case.  I wish I lived closer to Florida.  Might I ask if any of you have a copy or have read any of the unpublished novel Grimhaven? --nathanbeach 15:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I just found a better link to the Archive... --nathanbeach 15:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Much better link! Sadly, I've never read even a page of Grimhaven. I was thisclose to buying one of those fabled Xeroxes on eBay a few years back when the powers that be discovered and closed down the sale. Only then did I learn about the restrictions Willeford's widow maintains. Here's a link I considered putting on the article's main page...but it belongs precisely here, in discussion: A Writer's Life: Temptation. You may find it either poignant or hilarious--I think I know which way Willeford would've leaned.—DCGeist 18:23, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interesting article.  I think I would have read it before deleting.  This has been up on ebay for a while (has absolutely nothing to do with Willeford, but I thought it was kind of interesting). --nathanbeach 20:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Willeford Archive/''Grimhaven''

message: Man, I just finished the Collected Memoirs (thanks guys for the fixes to my additions).  Really great stuff if you haven't read them.  I think it was about $15 off amazon.  --nathanbeach 19:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memoirs

message: Nice recent additions, DCGeist...  I ended up not going to the Willeford Archive in Ft. Lauderdale back in April.  I was really, really sick when I got to Miami from the Bahamas and pretty much just stayed in my hotel room in South Beach the whole time (traveling while sick is pretty much the worst).  I regret not going, but I don't really know what I would have accomplished anyway. --nathanbeach 19:35, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello Again

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