Talk:Holy Qurbana

message: It appears that some philologists have found similarities between the words Qurbana and Koran. It would be interesting if we could note this in the article at one point. ADM (talk) 03:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to philologist Christoph Luxenberg, author of The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran, the word "al-qur'an" is derived from the Aramaic word "qeryan-a", meaning ‘lectionary’, ­a book of liturgical readings. The book being a Syro-Aramaic lectionary, with hymns and Biblical extracts, created for use in Christian services. This Arabic lectionary is a trace of the pre-Islamic, Christian past of certain Arab communities, who were amongst the first Christians. 
*If you can document this, feel free.  Arabic is, after all, a semitic language, along Hebrew and Aramaic (Syriac).--Midnite Critic (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: Can Holy Qurbana also mean Eucharist?http://mosc.in/the_church/liturgy/holy-qurbana I understand the confusion as Eucharist is a sacrament but the origin of Eucharist means thanksgiving which is similar to offering but not as much to sacrifice.Manabimasu (talk) 13:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy Qurbana 

message: , the historical development, theology, ecclesiology, and eucharistic theology of the East Syriac Holy Qurbana is radically different from that in the West Syriac Holy Qurbono/Qurobo. For example:
* the Malka (Holy Leaven) and absence of explicit Words of Institution in the Liturgy of Addai and Mari employed in the East Syriac Rite and 
* the absence of consecration of Holy Oil (Holy Horn).  On the other hand, the West Syriac Rite has its origins in the Antiochene Rite which originally developed in Greek language and its eucharistic theology and liturgical structure is identical to that of the Byzantine Rite and Coptic Rite.  Therefore there is a need to segregate the article into two:  
# Holy Qurbana for East Syriac Rite and 
# Holy Qurbono for West Syriac Rite Br Ibrahim john (talk) 16:51, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , Yes I have some thing to say on this though I was not addressed in this talk. I strongly feel we can mention these differences precisely in Introduction part and if required add the details in corresponding sections of the article. Not seeing a need of creating one more article just for these differences. Its going to be more confusing. Also note, the Malankara churches Malankara Orthodox and Syro-Malankara (and even Malankara Jacobite church which uses more strict west syrian words like "Mor") are following Antiochene Rite and West Syriac, but they refer their holy mass as "Qurbana" in Malayalam and English (not as "Qurbono" in West Syriac). This may be due to the influence of East-Syriac in St.Thomas Christian denominations in Kerala -John C. (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , This is not merely a word play. What I have meant is about the liturgy, theology, sacramental theology and traditions. In almost all aspects the West Syriac Rite and East Syriac Rite are completely counter opposites. The East Syriac Rite belongs to its own separate category and the West Syriac Rite belongs to Antiochene Rite which also includes the Byzantine Rite and Armenian Rite. Moreover the aspects that differentiate the East Syriac Rite Holy Qurbana from the West Syriac Rite Holy Qurobo is more numerous than the similarities that are merely linguistic.  Now with regard to the usage of East Syriac words in the MOSC, JSCC and other West Syriac Rite Churches in India, it is better to mention that linguistic aspect in the specific article for West Syriac Holy Qurbono. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 16:12, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

text: , About the usage of the word "Qurbana" or "Qurbano" in Kerala Churches - that is the additional/related info I included in this talk. I clearly understood what you meant and I am also aware that there are differences and some are counter opposites.  But what I am not understanding is the need of a separate article. According to me it can be managed in one article in separate subsections (that is, maintain the present structure). Personally I am not convinced on the idea of creating two different articles.  Anyway I am leaving this for the collective decision of you and other editors like . Thanks -John C. (talk) 16:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Segregation of the article is important in order to explain the history of development of the Holy Qurbana in Edessan Rite / East Syriac Rite and Syro-Antiochene Rite / West Syriac Rite. Only then the complete explanation regarding the distinctive developmental history and theological aspects can be detailed. For example, there is a need to focus on absence of Words of Institution, usage and hereditary transfer of Malka, pre-anaphoral consecration of the Host etc in the East Syriac Rite. On the other hand, it is also required to enshrine the Greek history and connection of the West Syriac Rite. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 17:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for separate articles for East Syriac and West Syriac.