Talk:Campaign for Better Transport (United Kingdom)

message: This page talks at length about left-wing union politics to the point where someone reading this page might come away with the impression that Transport2000  comprises mostly trades unions. However, in the list of member organisations I can only find 2 trades unions out of 29 total member groups.
I'll put the full list on our page here, as it provides a useful indication of the sort of people contributing to this group, and many of the linked organisations are interesting articles in themselves. Ojw 12:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Left-wing godless commie unionists? 

message: Can anyone find a reference for the use of pseudo science by this group? Ojw 19:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudo science

message: The wikilink to SERA in this article goes via a redirect to the article Southern Education and Research Alliance. Is this really where it should be going? If not then may be the SERA redirect page should become a disambiguation page giving the different options for the initials as there appears to be several around.
Keith D 12:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SERA

message: I have given this article quite a comprehensive spring-clean (spring isn't really here yet in the UK but we can plan ahead!). I have removed some inuendo 'they claim that' etc. I have shoved lots of text around to get it to read better hopefully but have tried to not loosing significant points. I have change the 'opposition' heading to 'controversy' as this is a more general and a more conventional wikipedia heading for the purpose. I have removed any references to the RAC and AA as there were no citations for disagreements and if there are notable disagreements with these organisations it may be appropriate to accommodate them under a separate heading as I suspect their opinion will have significant differences from those of the ABD. I have moved the Michael Palin flying issue to the 'controversies' section (it is old and really not appropriate in the early sections). I have sorted the affiliates into categories which makes it more readable and informative. I have upgraded the references to the new format. I will add some more detail to their campaigns section in due course.PeterIto (talk) 23:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spring Clean

message: The 'See also' section is usually used for articles about a similar subject, or a part of the subject.  In this case that would mean articles about groups advocating other transport modes, car, plane, bike, etc., or describing associated ideas.  I'm not sure if we should also be including articles which are specifically anti one or other of those modes.  We could get quite a long list of anti-train, anti-car, anti-plane, even anti-road type articles.  -- de Facto (talk). 18:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content of 'See also' 

message: The page notes that Michael Palin has recorded New Europe in which he travels by train. However, the original story related to the behind the scenes flying involved in his programmes - he didn't fly in Around the World in 80 Days either, but his crew presumably did. Is New Europe then really in contrast to his previous documentaries?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billwilson5060 (talk • contribs) 12:14, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palin and flying 

message: The Campaign for Better Transport does not categorically oppose car usage, it only opposes what it sees as inapproprate car usage. That's why the "anti-car" label is POV. Also, pro-public transport is not the same as anti-car. Cambrasaconfab 00:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but I don't really see them as supporting a strict 'car-free' agenda either, they are really about ensuring that the alternatives to cars are viable options for those who wish to use them PeterIto (talk) 07:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-car?

message: I'm wondering whether there's really a need for the ABD controversy section on this article. It doesn't seem to add any information which cannot be discerned from the organisations' views, and also seems somewhat out of place compared to other Wikipedia pages - i.e. there isn't really a trend towards stating that group X argues with group Y (if there was, some articles might be even longer!).
Ceap (talk) 14:27, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ABD controvery

message: I have a moved the remaining content of the 'Controversy' section into the history section on the basis that the issue about Michael Palin's flying turned out to be a one-off story and not a continuing issue and that the 'CBT is a lobby group' complaint was also a one-off claim and because it isn't controvesial that an advocacy group lobbies for its aims - that is what it is supposed to do! I also moved the 'Slowed speed initiative' section into the history section because it is not an ongoing project. I have created a category for 'Transport advocacy groups of the United Kingdom' and added all the organisations listed as UK transport advocacy groups to this category and removed them from the See Also section. I also removed the other parts of the 'See Also' section that added little to the article. Finally I created an 'Other activities' section and moved the reference to the 'Freight on Rail' partnership to that section from External links - possibly there are other partnerships that could be added to that section. PeterEastern (talk) 02:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganising 'Controversy', 'See also' and 'Slower Speed initiative' content - added 'Other Activities' section