Talk:Assamese people

message: what is the estimated population of this group or possibly the most recent census numbers im trying to get a idea in my head of how many of these people there are. 
76.244.145.122 (talk) 06:21, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  population ? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: .  Both please read Wikipedia:Edit warring.  It is absolutely not appropriate to edit war in this manner.  I have fully protected this article for a week.  Use this time to discuss your edits and come to an agreement.  Further edit warring after the protection lapses will see you blocked for a lengthy period of time. Fish+Karate 11:33, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Fish and karate indeed discussion will continue, thanks for fully protecting the article.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 12:58, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring 

message: * Leaning no because the sourcing for the position is too weak (the idea is controversial in real-world scholarship).  Worse, the word has multiple connotations, and it's clear that some editors here are confusing culture with genetics, as covered in the extended discussion below.  At best, we could have a short section in the article covering whether Dravidians under a particular definition are sometimes included, by whom, and what the nature of the conflict between reliable sources is. However, I strongly suspect there's WP:OR going on here, namely of the form a) figure out where some populations of people called Dravidian in one sense or another are said to have migrated, b) notice that some sources include the Assam region among them, c) declare Dravidians (whatever that means) to be part of Assamese culture, a component of Assamese ethnicity, or both (and whatever those really mean – see WP:ETHNO for pitfalls in this kind of thinking).  That's just WP:SYNTH. Such analytic connections have to come from reliable sources, not our own heads.  Also, and related to the ETHNO issues, the reliance in the thread above on racialist sources from the 1940s amounts to a WP:FRINGE problem.  Our understanding today of human populations is much more sophisticated. This is covered in some detail at the related (and as of this moment still ongoing) RSN discussion).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: IP address used profanity, against WP:Cooperation ,I hope admins will protect the page.Sairg (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @ Sairg, hope its not you from this IP 2001:8003:4F0B:4500:298A:4295:F704:ECFB who left uncivil nasty edit summery! this kind of people are shame for family n  mankind. just use neutral and non political POV for wiki1!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.209.39 (talk) 14:22, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not profanity . It's a common word used in Anglosphere countries. Just because you disagree with my choice of words does not mean you revert edits with sources. I reverted edits made by an IP user that you also reverted on the 24th of last month so why did you revert my edits? I reinstated the version of this page that you published. Also you put this in the wrong section. Look at what you're doing. (2001:8003:4F0B:4500:298A:4295:F704:ECFB (talk) 14:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be common, but that doesn't mean it's civil. I've left warnings where recent non-civil edit summaries have warranted them. Now, I encourage all users to refocus the discussion on this talk page on the content of the article, not the behaviour of other editors. —C.Fred (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profanity by IP Comment Suggestion 

message: Chaipau in our recent discussion at WP:RSN and WP:DRN, references for Dravidian are deemed reliable and WP:DRN reaffirmed the principle that all viewpoints need to be included. Are you agree that said viewpoints External links - Government of Assam should included ?भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 08:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Which WP:DRN discussion was this?  Chaipau (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The ongoing DRN, where you are a party too.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 11:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That WP:DRN is about the Kamarupi Prakrit and Kamrupi dialect.  Not related to this.  Chaipau (talk) 03:20, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the principle of "inclusion of all viewpoints" applicable to all articles, as stated there, especially when it is in majority.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 08:07, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What is being applied here is WP:TSF.  Chaipau (talk) 13:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Explain.भास्कर् Bhagawati Speak 21:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of all viewpoints

message: This article says that only Assamese speakers are Assamese. There are non Assamese speaking people in Assam who considers themselves as Assamese but are excluded in the article. I'm a Bengali who speaks Assamese, am I Assamese too? But Tiwas who speak Tiwa aren't Assamese even though the Assamese speaking Tiwas are Assamese? Huh Msasag (talk) 7:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not true.  Please look at the Assamese people#Definition section, which clearly does not say only Assamese speakers are Assamese.  Chaipau (talk) 08:08, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  But that's not the case with the introduction template. It says the number of Assamese people is 15 million and they speak Assamese (including dialects: Kamrupi and Goalpariya) Msasag (talk) 08:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Assamese is listed under "Languages", so there is room for adding other languages.  The template looks incomplete, at best. I did not design it, though. Chaipau (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is an Assamese?

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message: I am removing a digressive discussion on Kamrup's territorial history.  It is best discussed (already discussed) in Kamrup region.  There is also a confusion between ancient Kamarupa and medieval Kamrup region.  After 1681 Kamrup has been a part of Assam (Ahom kingdom and later).  In any case, these details are not relevant here, which is about the Assamese people. I am removing this part of the section. , comments?  Chaipau (talk) 18:49, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but I was thinking whether → "" should be kept since it is about the etymology of the term during British era. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes.  Maybe we could change the wordings slightly:  and then cite Grierson?  Everyone has been basically quoting Grierson (1903) from  page 393.  The etymological origin of the suffix -ese in English is the Latin -ensis, as given in Wiktionary. So "Assamese people" means "people of Assam". The only problem here is that not all "people of Assam" are Assamese people.  So we should expand the sentence above to .  What do you say? Chaipau (talk) 03:06, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

text: There are some further nuances here.  The Assamese identity is older than colonialism, as pointed out by Udayan Misra here; and even though the word "Assamese" was coined by the English during colonial times.  Furthermore, the name "Assam" itself is of native origin and older.  Chaipau (talk) 03:18, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

text:  I'm OK with →  and also an explanation on how the "Assamese identity is older than colonialism" citing Udayan Misra. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 07:46, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have parked the about sentence in the "Definition" section.  Shall move it back when appropriate.  Also, the "Demographic changes" section could become a part of the history section in the future.  Chaipau (talk) 11:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's fine. I agree that the "Demographic changes" section can be included in the history section in the future. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Hi, regarding the recent additions . I believe it is not reliable since according to the 2011 census reports that majority are Assamese speakers. Secondly, they categorise a separate group called 'Muslims', which may very well include Assamese Muslims. Also they didn't mention other tribal population and significant pops like Hindi speakers. What do you say? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:29, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Such speculative estimates are political rhetoric and meant to trigger voter realignments.  It may be that 2021 census will show that the Assamese do not constitute more than 50% of the people in Assam, but we do not have the numbers yet. This should not be included. We should only rely on census data.  Chaipau (talk) 19:20, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the removal. It was a politically influenced piece for sure. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions