Talk:Anna Wintour

message: This section doesn't feel well organized.  I also have a problem with the last paragraph about the "interview footage."  I've seen tons of interviews (albeit soundbites) of Anna Wintour at various fashion weeks around the world.  So I wish the author would clarify what is meant by "Many believe this to be the only video interview footage of Anna Wintour available on the internet." --Jhlynes 20:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memoirs and Biographies

message: Considering that Google is littered with an endless number of photos of Anna Wintour why isn't there one here? The Fading Light 17:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, until I persuaded someone at Flickr to change the licensing, we couldn't find a good free-use one. Daniel Case 03:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Photo Would Be Nice

message: This article has been languishing on the nominations page for far too long, therefore I have decided to review it. There are a few issues I have with the article.
1) Sometimes the prose is very confusing. For example, I would avoid sentances like this: 
*"She would go to the opening of an envelope", joked her former friend Vivienne Lasky.
:And this:
*At her parents' behest, she also took some fashion classes at a nearby school, but soon dropped out, telling Lasky that "you either know fashion or you don't".
The quote is nice, but not saying the name of the friend. Her name is not important. Then when I came to the next sentance I couldn't figure out who Lasky was until I went back. Any references to the quotes of unimportant people should be removed andreplaced with something generic like friend.
*"Anna is a liberal," says Amiel. Who is Amiel?
Barbara Amiel, who's mentioned in the text several grafs earlier. I expect that people will be able to keep track of a recent second reference and I hate reusing names ... it tells the reader you don't think they're that intelligent. But I'll smooth it over. You may have a point.
*Amiel reported that at first Wintour said the film would probably go straight to DVD. Again....
*It was smoked salmon and scrambled eggs every single day" for lunch, says Liz Walker, a coworker at Harpers & Queen. "She would eat nothing else". Who cares about Liz Walker?
2) The article is too long. Here are some suggestions on how to shorten it.
*Merge some paragraphs together to make it appear shorter. Get rid of one and two line paragraphs such as this paragraph which can be merged or eliminated.
::Similarly, in younger days she often left the task of writing the text accompanying her layouts to others, since, many of those who did say, she has minimal skills in that area.[63] Today she writes little for the magazine save the monthly editor's letter.
*The criticism section should be cut down, as it takes up a significant part of the article. Cut down the elitism section especially, get rid of the Amiel quote. This section should be cut down by half.
*Cut down the responses section by half
*Consider eliminating the portrayals part from her biography section and move it to a new section called 'In popular culture.' You could also move the Devil Wears Prada part to this new section too, and thus shorten the criticism section.
**I was told in peer review to integrate that into the article as a whole, that we are trying to avoid those "In popular culture" sections (and I sort of agree with that).
3) A slight suggestion on cutting down. Get ridof mentions of unremarkable people that are not important to the article. Here are some examples:
*Polly Mellen, a coworker from her Harper's & Queen days, arranged for an interview with Vogue editor Grace Mirabella. Who is Polly Mellen?
*When it was reported that her editor suggested she completely start her third novel over, Wintour's spokesman Patrick O'Connell suggested Weisberger "should get a job as someone else's assistant." Do we care what her sopkesperson's name is?
*When the film was released, one of the company's magazines, The New Yorker, ran a review of the film by David Denby that disparaged the novel in comparison. Do we really need to know the reviewers name? The sentence makes just as much sense omitting it.Zeus1234 20:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I agree that Oppenheimer's biography is well researched. It does, however, portray only a single frame of mind. There is quite a large amount of info on the internet (concerning Anna). Also, do not hesitate to have designers and co-workers comment - with Anna EVERYONE has an opinion. Moreover, everyone has a bit of little known Anna experiences. Getting even just one person of notable status to share their comments and bits of info would contribute massively to the article (anonymously, of course :-> ).
Have you (Daniel) had a look at Coddington's new book? Valentino's offices might just have a little something to add, if approached correctly.
Also, do not hesitate to email current co-workers, you might just get VERY lucky (which is not as far-fetched as it sounds).—Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessconzuella (talk • contribs) 
:I didn't know Coddington had a book out. I'll have to take a look.As for personal interviews, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which reflects what others have written and published and thus cannot be the reporter of first instance. To contact people and ask for comments and facts would be considered original research and thus ineligible for inclusion in a Wikipedia article. In addition, it is explicitly prohibited by our verifiability (how easy would it be for any member of the public to call up and ask someone if they said something?) and reliable sources policies, which are both in the case of an article like this complicated even more by the biographies of living persons policy. Therefore we can't use personal conversations or things like most blog postings. We are mostly limited to what has been published in books or by established media sources. Daniel Case 19:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppenheimer as source 

message: I suggest a reconsideration on my persistent efforts to edit the "Politics" section so as to reflect her full quote regarding Clinton's decision to back out of Vogue. The quote you have is truncated and misrepresents the intention of Wintour's statement. I placed the Media Matters link because it was the only one I can find that has the quote in its entirety, and the Media Matters link also exposes how Wintour's comment has been misrepresented to unfairly criticize Senator Clinton. 71.104.133.133 (talk) 11:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly this extended discussion and the quote should be in the article on Hillary's presidential campaign. Given the quote-heaviness of this article to begin with and that most of the quotes are about Anna Wintour, not by her, I try to keep from adding long quotes. How about a sentence or two summarizing what she said and making it clear that her ultimate criticism was of American political culture, not Senator Clinton? Oh, and putting the full quote on the Anna Wintour Wikiquote page? Daniel Case (talk) 18:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: These points might not be at all relevant to the article, but I'm wondering whether it is worth writing about the pressure from Wintour to reorganize Milan Fashion Week to suit her better? It seems to have caused a bit of a stir. This information might be suitable under Fashion industry power broker. (Moore, Malcolm; February 22 2008; "Dolce & Gabbana slams Milan Fashion Week"; The Daily Telegraph; retrieved February 23 2008.)
There's also been loads in the media about the situation where Armani made a criticism about Wintour in her presence. He basically implied that Wintour much prefers French and American designers compared to Italians designers. This would possibly be able to go under personal fashion preferences. (Cartner-Morley, Jess; February 21 2008; "Armani's cutting remarks about Vogue editor"; The Guardian; retrieved February 23 2008. and Peck, Sally; February 21 2008; "Giorgio Armani attacks Vogue's Anna Wintour"; The Daily Telegraph; retrieved February 23 2008.) Just thought it might be worth noting. Eagle Owl (talk) 14:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look into them and see what I can do. Daniel Case (talk) 15:20, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions

message: "Most of us read Vogue not with the intention of buying the wildly expensive clothes, but because doing so educates our eye and hones our taste, similar to the way eating gourmet food refines the palate. This is a pleasure enabled by Wintour's ruthless aesthetic, her refusal to participate in the democratizing tendency of most of her competitors. To deny her that privilege is to deny her readers the privilege of fantasy in the form of beautifully photographed Paris couture.[46]"
Does anyone else agree that this para sounds like it's just lifted straight from the source? It doesn't sit well with the NPOV of the rest of the artice - not very 'encyclopedic'. Perhaps it could be included as a quote if the source is notable, rather than straight text. However, I am new to editing so I may be wrong.Geneth (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's footnoted and put in the  template. It looks regularly formatted because of the adjoining image. Daniel Case (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually, there's no picture next to it. You'll see that it's all indented more than usual, as a blockquote. The preceding text it very clear that it's quoted material, even attributing the author. Daniel Case (talk) 15:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies - upon closer reading I can see that it is indeed a quote. I don't think that I'm the only person who would make that mistake, however.Geneth (talk) 14:21, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should use the much-maligned  template, then ... it would put curly quotes on it. Daniel Case (talk) 14:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

text: I made the same mistake.  It's not indented on my display, and the fact that the lead-up to the quote is a complete sentence makes it more confusing. I read it and thought, "is this a quote? who said it?"  I had to come to the talk page to figure it out, and I'm not very slow (though it is Monday). Good article overall LoLo McSpanky (talk) 22:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the adjoining image smaller and moved it up so the quote formatting is more obvious. Let's see if that works. Daniel Case (talk) 22:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responses 

message: I personally think that the prevalence of "in popular culture" material in  Wikipedia is way overdone, but since we have such a section in this article...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Anna_Wintour.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Edna_Mode.jpg
I wonder whether this is more than coincidence. (Obviously, we wouldn't include this in the article without a cite.) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 13:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been discussed, but it was taken out a long time ago since the only source we had was a journalist's passing mention in a profile, which wasn't strong enough. Daniel Case (talk) 14:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Separated at birth?

message: When Anna Wintour was 16, that would have been perceived as a legitimate school leaving age, particularly for someone who didn't intend to go to college. The standard school leaving ages in the UK were 16 or 18; so unless she didn't bother with O levels or CSE's it's not really fair to say that she "dropped out" which to an American reader has the connotation of failing to graduate high-school, a concept that doesn't really translate across the Atlantic. pcrtalk 06:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Point noted, and I'll reword. I don't know about her O levels or CSE. Details of her early life are sketchy outside of Oppenheimer's book, and he uses the term since he's an American. But he does suggest that she chose not to finish classes at North London. Daniel Case (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Again, the only source on this is Oppenheimer's book, and as noted he may not understand the historical intricacies of the British educational system. He conveys the impression that when she left, it was with no documentation whatsoever indicating that she had completed the NCLS course of study, no OLGCE. Without another source we can only say that she did not complete her studies at NLCS and began working in fashion instead at 16. Daniel Case (talk) 16:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, her father was a major newspaper editor at the time, and himself a Cambridge alum. I assume he probably would have liked her to go on to university, but he seems to have been supportive of her decision to do otherwise (supposedly one of the great divides between her and the slightly younger Tina Brown is that the latter has a degree from Oxford.From an American perspective leaving school at 16, then as now, is perfectly legal but even then the term had a bit of a stigma (we once had her categorized as a high-school dropout but then that category was deleted for the implied pejorative). The question is, I guess, are there other Old North Londoners of that era who chose a similar career start? Daniel Case (talk) 03:11, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

text: And rereading the article, I don't see a need to reword since I simply wrote that she "left", which satisfies a British understanding of that word in that context (but does, to American readers, carry a connotation of having found oneself not up to snuff academically when applied to secondary education (by contrast, saying you left college doesn't always, not when you (or someone else) left Harvard to start a business that became successful). Nothing I can do about that. I didn't make any statements about her academic record at NLCS, because Oppenheimer doesn't (he didn't seem to have any of that information, unsurprisingly). It is in his book, and I consider it relevant, that she disliked the dress code there intensely (I didn't put it in the article since I didn't think it relevant enough to her life as a whole, but apparently one side effect of that is that she doesn't (or for a long time didn't) like wearing anything in the shade of brown that the school's uniforms were in at that time).Do you think we should find some way of providing the context you have in the article text? Daniel Case (talk) 15:01, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dropped out of school at 16? 

message: Hello- I have been researching a little known controversy and since it involves Anna Wintour I decided to make a place for it on the page where criticisms already appear. I have tried to keep it as short, dry, and unbiased as possible, though I agree with the force of the criticism, that a vogue editor should have known better. I will watch here for comments in case anyone wants added details or sources hat I may be able to add from my research. Ultimately I hope it contributes to interesting reading, drawing more users to Wikipedia.124.157.179.70 (talk) 08:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the effort, but I'm afraid we can't use much of this due to the lack of reliable sources. Two of them are blogs, and we're very averse to using blogs as sources. The Daily Mail article is the only thing we might be able to cite, and that really doesn't go into the controversy. Nor is this really as significant as the other ongoing controversies I wrote about. It might be better to find some reliable reportage (perhaps something in a French news outlet?) and put it in the Hotel Crillon article. Daniel Case (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Again, the issue is the reliability of the sources, and our policy is clear and unambiguous: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. " And without that blog post there's nothing for us to say.I should say also that I have not found anyone else writing about this. I don't doubt that you think this very important. It may well be. But we are not the publisher of first instance for this sort of thing. Daniel Case (talk) 04:47, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: new section

message: I noticed that the character Photo Finish is based on her.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.72.71.179 (talk) 07:44, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  My little pony FiM 

message: "With her trademark (trademark?) pageboy bob haircut and sunglasses, Wintour has become an institution (what does this mean? according to who?) throughout the fashion world, widely praised (by who?) for her eye for fashion trends and her support for younger designers. Her reportedly (by who?) aloof and demanding personality has earned her the nickname "Nuclear Wintour".
I don't find much support for that later in the article.
:Per WP:LEDE the intro section should "explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points." I don't see how the intro, as is, is out of line with that, as it's meant to be general without going into specifics. A statement that someone is "widely praised" is not an NPOV violation in itself, and there is a fair amount of cited praise in the article.
I suppose I could find plenty of reliable sources using exactly those words if you really wanted (or maybe you could have been a real Wikipedian and gone and found some yourself. As for her "aloof and demanding personality," there is an entire section, with many footnotes. "Reportedly" is to preserve NPOV, something you seemed to care about when you started posting. Perhaps you were so eager to get over here and make sure that everyone could see your brilliant editorial comments that you forgot to read that far? So eager that you forgot to sign your post? Daniel Case (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral intro?

message: I say there's a useless link in the "Film Adaptation" section that promises "External images: Photos comparing Wintour's office and Miranda Priestly's in The Devil Wears Prada" but when I click on it I just get a page that says "Nothing found for Blog wp-content office jpg." I say that's not at all useful, but two other people "Daniel Case" and "Eyesnore" put it back in when I took it out. Anybody else have an opinion on how useful that link is? Greenbeanhunting (talk) 00:45, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you'd explained that it's a dead link in the edit summary when you'd removed it, all would have been understood. Daniel Case (talk) 01:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this link useful or useless? 

message: With her trademark pageboy bob haircut and sunglasses, Wintour has become an important figure in much of the fashion world, widely praised for her eye for fashion trends and her support for younger designers. Her reportedly aloof and demanding personality has earned her the nickname "Nuclear Wintour".
I'm sorry but that reads ridiculous and has no sources to any of those claims. Who has widely praised her? Who says she is important? And the word reportedly, reportedly by whom? Where is a source for her nickname? Is her pageboy bob really trademarked?
Also the following-She is the eldest daughter of Charles Wintour, editor of the London Evening Standard. Her father consulted her on how to make the newspaper relevant to the youth of the era.
So she was a newspaper consultant? I find it hard to believe that her Father,a grown man, would consult a youth on how to make a newspaper relevant to anyone. Where are sources for this? I guess I will start looking for sources and removing non sourced statements tomorrow. If anyone wants to help please help me. I have only read 2 paragraphs on this Wikipedia page about Anna Wintour, so I am wondering what else needs to be fixed. I will read more tomorrow.--98.87.94.167 (talk) 18:02, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you could have asked me, per the  template at the top of this page. Everything in that intro is repeated—often in greater detail in the article—and sourced to the best of my recollection. The general rule is that we don't footnote something in the intro section unless it's an extraordinary claim (like "the most ...", "the oldest ..."—that sort of thing), unless that's the only place in the article it appears. See WP:LEADCITE. Daniel Case (talk) 19:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a press release? 

message: Despite the piece being full of fluff, my added paragraph, which was timely and had references, was removed because Daniel Case "didn't see the relevance"?  Does that end the discussion?  I thought that there was supposed to BE a discussion?    I'm seeing this a lot--basically, "how dare you touch MY article."  
Avocats (talk) 09:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:BRD ... this is how it's supposed to happen. I have no problem discussing that revert further if asked, and the newer version of the graf looks better and as such, I can see the relevance. A lot of people add sourced yet relatively trivial items to this page that I usually remove because, well, Anna Wintour going out to get groceries doesn't tell us anything about her. But now I see the relevance of this ... that the Kardashians are not the sort of people she used to put on the cover, no matter how famous they would get. Daniel Case (talk) 15:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: So, no one gets to make additions or changes then?

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message: Winter is British by birth but also holds U.S. citizenship via "parentage". These links confirm: 
* "Obama supporter Anna Wintour reportedly considered for ambassadorial post by administration"
* "Anna Wintour, Rest of City Turn Out to Vote"
*  U.S., Departing Passenger and Crew Lists, 1914-1965 for Anna Wintour  New York A4169 - New York, 1948-1956 141 (Anna Wintour, described as US citizen “through parentage”) on “Country of which Citizen or Subject” category 
* New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Roll T715, 1897-1957 8001-8892 Roll 8012 -- Eleanor, James, and Anna Wintour entries stamped “U.S. CIT.”
* UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 for Anna Wintour Southampton 1951 July -- Entries for Charles, Eleanor, James and Anna Wintour on “Country of which Citizen or Subject” category given as “U.S.A.”
::I am persuaded by the first two links alone. The Hollywood Reporter explicitly states this (whatever our anonymous Thai friend seems to think), and notes that she's naturalized, which would seem to moot the question at the top of this talk page. The second clearly implies it ... if she can vote in the U.S. she must be a citizen. Daniel Case (talk) 17:52, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  At last, a voice of reason. Quis separabit? 17:56, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Anna Wintour citizenship

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message: I've not participated in this article at all, but for what it's worth, I wonder why the current infobox photo has been chosen over others such as this one: This one shows Winter's face much more clearly. I understand that her sunglasses are part of a trademark look, but even then, the current photo of her on her cell phone is a profile view that doesn't show much of her face. I know how sensitive editors can get over this so I don't want to start some sort of war, but I do wonder what the value of the current photo is versus the above one I've pointed out (albeit the latter being 3 years older). --Drown Soda (talk) 03:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's exactly it. I replaced that one with the current photo because it's the most recent we have. Generally we try to have relatively current photos of living people. I haven't found any more recent images of her that are appropriately licensed. If you can persuade someone who's uploaded an image of her to Flickr recently to release the rights, by all means do. Daniel Case (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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message: I planned to talk about each of the sources and how each source adds further information about Anna Wintour and her decisions have impacted fashion trends.  
Lloyd Grove.(28 Nov 2018.). Will Anna Wintour Follow Condé Nast's CEO Out the Door?: Condé Nast veterans said Tuesday’s announcement of the departure of company CEO Bob Sauerberg makes Wintour’s exit more likely in the coming mo. Available: https://search.proquest.com/docview/2138899997?accountid=17233&rfr_id=info%3Axri%2Fsid%3Aprimo. Last accessed 12th November 2019.
The article mentions how Wintour is to be described as being 'integral to the future of the company's transformation', starting trends such as 'she has love for the company deeply'. Her journey of being editor-in-chief and a journalist of Vogue since 1988. Being listed as one of the most important/powerful women in the fashion industry. 
Nat Ives. (2006). Wintour proves she's queen of the magazine as a brand. Advertising Age. 77 (43), 2. Avaliable:https://search.proquest.com/docview/208354299/abstract/D3A7099C4A534F33PQ/1?accountid=17233. Last accessed 12th November 2019.
As we all know Wintour as being the woman who has a dominant say in the trends set within the '113-year-old brand'she has seized the moment and it become the'women's bible'. Anna Wintour brought her journalistic 'bent' and infused Vogue with news, culture to fashion via photo spreads for example in 1998, 'The Extraordinary Hillary Clinton' cover after the Lewinsky scandal. Her ideology behind doing risky content as such was "This is our readers' leisure time. Why should it be boring?" Beth Fidoten who is a senior VP-director of print services,states about Wintour when she started at Vogue she 'revitalized it'. 
Patrick Sawer. (2015). Fashion's ice queen Anna Wintour opens up about family. Available: https://search.proquest.com/docview/1684356493?accountid=17233&rfr_id=info%3Axri%2Fsid%3Aprimo. Last accessed 12th Nov 2019.
Her 'steely demeanour and chilling reputation' recognises the pressure that is associated with social media and can lead to mental health problems. She speaks on the matter on the interview with Stella magazine, apart of the Telegraph, how her support with Youth Anxiety Center. She quoted "Mental health is an area where people are embarrassed."
HAlI290 (talk) 14:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anna Wintour - created fashion to what it is today?  

message: I'm not sure how we can call an article a GA if it has an entire section devoted to criticism for... being personally withdrawn? and a 'responses' section? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 06:38, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't see the issue myself. In any case GA standards are pretty flexible in my experience. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

text: That was, back around the time I first wrote this, a frequently voiced criticism, and it drew responses, both in reliable sources. Like John, I don't think it warrants a GAR, but I would agree that maybe times have changed (today, Wintour is known more for the Met gala than being Vogues editor, even though that's still her day job) and as some of the people who work with her have allowed, she's mellowed out (noted in the article, IIRC), so maybe we could adjust the section to reflect that (I must admit, I have not been able to keep this article up-to-date as I once was). Daniel Case (talk) 18:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  my thing is that some of these paragraphs focus solely on personality, and don't show relevance to her impact as an editor and trend-setter, or even her reputation. Sometimes personal goings-on do impact reputation, of course—the way Amy Klobuchar took heat leading up to an election for a story about the way she treated her staffers, or the way Will Smith was suspended from the Academy for the slapping incident. This is more of a personal bias, but I just don't see the value in this article serving as a re-reporting of celebrity-culture feedings that can't even show that kind of impact. In particular, why is the paragraph beginning  important? Also, some parts are sourced to Page Six and the New York Post, neither of which should be considered reliable post-the latter's acquisition by Murdoch? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:24, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I said, I wrote most of this in the late 2000s. The "Nuclear Wintour" thing was a big part of most coverage of her tenure at Vogue from her hiring through the rest of the 20th century, which was what gave The Devil Wears Prada (both book and film, especially given Meryl Streep's performance in the latter) a large part of its frisson. At the time that dominated the sources. At the time we did not have doubts about the reliability of either the Post or Page Six (Murdoch bought the former long before you were born, so long ago that I myself was still a child, and TBH IIRC it has only been in the last few years that serious doubts have been raised here about the Posts veracity on some matters, particularly those involving reporting about the police. And if Murdoch ownership is the sole determinant of reliability, then perhaps we should stop citing The Wall Street Journal?) Daniel Case (talk) 03:22, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And The Times!  As she ages, it is likely, fairly or not, that the personality issues and Streep's portrayal will become even more important, not less, in her reputation. Johnbod (talk) 13:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  it seems i was mistaken on this one. I'm still iffy on the Post (no firm dateline was ever set), but i'm happy to defer. Cheers, both of you! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 00:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The discussion I was thinking of was this RFC from two years ago Daniel Case (talk) 02:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: doesn't the closer say ? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  possibly in need of a GAR 

message: I wonder if someone can shed more light into Wintour and Azzedine Alaïa feud. Examples sources are Azzedine Alaïa Interview, Alaïa Pulls His Dresses From the Met Gala, Met Gala: Stephanie Seymour Will Stay Home, Too, and Naomi Campbell Didn’t Attend Anna Wintour’s Big Ball Because Azzedine Alaïa Got Snubbed FuzzyMagma (talk) 15:34, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn’t the place to ask about that. On the other hand, if someone can find other reliable sources … Daniel Case (talk) 21:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wintour and [[Azzedine Alaïa]] feud