Talk:Bachelor of Laws

message: Reading the part about Bangladesh, one gets the near-certain impression that it has been manipulated to advertise for the school mentioned. Look at the description of the University of Chittagong:
"All these Universities also offer one-year LL.M. course. Along this, some private Universities also offer LL.B. (Hons.) degree (four years) and one-year LL.M. course.Premier University, Chittagong is one of them.Premier University, Chittagong though established in the beginning of the 21st century, in a few years ,it has become one of the leading universities of Bangladesh. It has the most successful law faculty in the private university sector in Bangladesh. Its LL.B (Hons) program is one of the finest in the country where eminent teachers take extra care to create and impart knowledge. It has also best faculty members from various Public University. Every year most of its students pass the Bar Council enrollment exam.Premier University, Chittagong values most the quality of education it provides. Besides, the National University of Bangladesh also offers two-years LL.B. degree to the graduates of subjects other than Law through some Law Colleges."
I propose to remove anything after "Premier University, Chittagong is one of them ..."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blufis (talk • contribs) 20:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Obvious Manipulation

message: Much of the original text seemed culled from an external site ? Over a short time though the article will probably go in new, different directions. 
Removed: [re foreign law degrees holders need] "...often study to receive an LL.M., the masters degree equivalent, before qualifying for bar admission procedures."
This was (probably) wrong in most areas. Admission procedures do vary between states {ABA link1,  link2} but the American Bar Assoc. state on their site the LL.M is not considered a criterion for admission. I rewrote that part and made it fairly broad but'd welcome further clarifications.
I think a single article referring to the LL.B as used across common law territories (current structure) is best. Most of the article fused the application of the degree in the UK/US/etc clearly. I made a few general corrections and cleanup changes though esp. for clarity/inconsistency; plus added section headers. 
Also removed stub boilerplate  - was this premature? Whitehorse1 23:31, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Brief cleanup attempt

message: Though (to my surprise, as it goes against normal abbreviation conventions) the degree is usually abbreviated "LL.B.", it's also sometimes abbreviated "Ll.B." (see , , , , [Ll.B], etc.).  I've added this to the article. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's perhaps superfluous to mention the "alternate" version in parentheses. The "correct" abbreviation in fact is a lower-case 'l'; however, both variants are not correct (strictly speaking). When I (re-)wrote the article I opted for using upper-case simply because that version is far more commonplace. Didacticism is well and good but so is being understood and easy on the eye ;). If you (or anybody else) wishes to change all occurrences in the article to use a lower-case 'L' that's fine of course. I do feel, personally, that a note in parentheses explaining it frequently appears in lower-case form (especially given its bold type) just adds clutter to the article IMO. :) Whitehorse1 05:20, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that anyone ever alternates the two... I don't really understand your objection, though; there are two usages, so the article uses the more common but mentions the less common.  That's surely Wikipedia (and general reference-work) convention. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:56, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation 

message: My immediate last edit changed some layout elements. Since these're potentially contentious edits & some reverted edits made by a far more experienced Wikipedian than I... some explanation is probably due from me. 
#  template removal. This template is - or was the topic of a heated discussion recently. In terms of this specific article I believe it doesn't fit well and skews the article into having an angular appearance. Thoughts?
# noeditsection. My edit also re-inserted this. I feel more strongly bold about this issue. The article's by nature a short one. Without the supression of sectional edit links there are six edit hyperlinks on a brief page. Additionally, one section for example is just two short sentences/two lines long - having an edit link there just looks "silly".  Whitehorse1 05:59, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
:#I've no feelings either way about the "tocright" issue.
:#I do, however, think that the edit links should be returned; I don't share your aesthetic response to them, and they can be very useful (aside from other considerations, people who use them at least have something in the edit summary, even if they don't add a proper summary).  What do other editors think?
:#With regard to your other edits: Wikipedia policy is that the summary has no heading; the "LL" should be in inverted commas (to show that it's being mentioned not used), not italics (which don't really mean anything). --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:47, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout 

message: I've just moved this (after tidying and wikifying it) from the article:
:"In Commonwealth countries in which where the distinction still exists between barristers and solicitors, a barrister generally takes and passes all the requirements of a solicitor, but also takes the Bar exam (so called because a barrister traditionally stood at a horizontal bar and spoke, hence "bar table", "bar jacket", etc.). In these countries, a barrister has to take various courses, and is then under a year's supervision of the "reading programme", so-called because the new barrister reads (learns) under the guidance of a more senior barrister."
Could people correct it and replace it?  I know that some of it is off-target with regard to the U.K., at least, but I'd rather someone more expert made the changes. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 10:28, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Becoming a lawyer 

message: The alternative form "Ll.B." was removed from the article; I've reinstated it.  For uses, see for example: "External Programme Subject Guides: Ll.B. - English Legal System", "they award Ll.B. degrees", "Mr. Kevin Sweeney, C.A., Ll.B ". --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 09:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation again 

message: I'm not clear why my edits making the article's English consistent were reverted.  The article was in U.K. English, the only exception being "programme", which appeared in both the U.S. and U.K. spellings.  Aside from the question of consistency, the article states that the Ll.B. is no longer offered in the U.S., and the majority of the article concerns the U.K. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 21:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edits were to revert from my North spelling that I inserted when adding reference to the LL.B. "program" in Canada. So I was not reverting; I was restoring status quo. Your edit was marked 'tidying'; I don't see how that includes a change in the spelling of "program" from North American (US/Canada) to British spelling. The LL.B. is still offered in Canada and I had added content regarding the LL.B. program in Canada. --Aquarius Rising 22:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S.: I don't understand what you mean when you say that the article is mostly concernly the U.K. - it concerns other common countries as well.  I agree there is a long section on qualifying law degrees in the U.K and sections haven't yet been done for other countries, but that's just a matter of time; the qualifying degrees section should probably be carved out and put into a separate article (e.g., list of British law schools) or moved into an article concering becoming a barrister or solicitor in the U.K. --Aquarius Rising 22:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is significant Australian content in the beginning of the article (including content about the University of Melbourne programs that I've just added). By the way, look up the link for the University of Melbourne law school website and you'll see that they spell "program" the same way as Canadians now do. --Aquarius Rising 00:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I see that Aquarius Rising has simply ignored the above, and reverted the spelling again. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 16:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aquarius Rising also spent much time yesterday expanding and improving the article, for which you acknowledge no credit to him. I note that you mention in your edit summary that you reverted from U.S. to U.K. spelling.  I used Canadian spelling (which also happens to be Australian spelling, and coincidentally U.S. spelling). This article is about the LL.B. (a degree found in most common law countries and some non common law jurisdictions.  No reason to favour U.K. spelling as it is just one of the common law countries.  By the way, the UK-centric material was moved to Legal education in the United Kingdom which is where the preexisting UK usages mostly were. --Aquarius Rising 17:02, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: For the record, aside from our disagreement on spelling of the word in question (and I assume you're not insinuating lack of good faith on my part just because I happened to disagree with your position on that question for reasons I've explained above - I'm closing that subject for now), I have made some very good edits to the Bachelor of Laws and Juris Doctor that have expanded and improved those articles. And I did the carveout of contents and put them into new namespace Legal education in the United Kingdom which I think greatly improves the readibility of the Bachelor of Laws article. --Aquarius Rising 23:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: How does this degree, listed in the [Pat Robertson]] article, compare to the other legal degrees discussed in this article? Edison 17:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pat Robertson's  Bachelor of Legal Letters from Yale

message: Is anyone able to expand on this section to make it a little more useful? Perhaps another example or two would suffice. — Nicknz 21:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations on the LL.B 

message: 1) As far as the legal profession is concerned, traditionally speaking of course, whether one obtains an LLB or a JD, these are both considered "undegraduate" law degrees, as the LLM, BCL(Oxford), the JSD or SJD, the PhD in Law, and LLD (an earned degree usually called a "higher doctorate" in the UK and Europe, as the holder must already possess a PhD or another doctorate degree, and is awarded upon an extensive, well- recognised publishing record), are considered "graduate" law degrees.  2) As for the Graduate Entry LLB, the MAIN requirement or prerequisite, of the Graduate Entry LLB ("all over the UK",and not only in Scotland, as this article indicates) is another undergraduate or graduate degree and not necessary in law. Hence, "graduate- entry."  It can usually be earned in 2-3 years of law study in a Law School, or Law Faculty.  I personally know, as I earned all of the above degrees from both UK and US Universities.  I have taught Law School both in the UK and the US, and I have never heard so much mis- information in about the study of law, as in these articles/ pages... Moreover, any of the LLB's at my UK Law School, did not required the study of philosophy or history, as the Wakipedia JD degree article misleadingly indicates.
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Not that it really matters in the context of this article, but the supposition above that "North American" law schools refer to their programs as second entry is mistaken, it's only in Canada that law programs are termed second entry - JD programs in the US are considered graduate programs. The ABA requires an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite for entry in order for a law school to receive accreditation, law students graduate with doctoral robes (same as PhD grads), and law students are members of the graduate student union at US universities. Law students are treated and viewed differently at universities in the two countries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.4.94 (talk) 00:56, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Why does the degree use the plural form (legum – of laws)? Civil law and common law? Civil law and canon law? Does anyone know?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.137.112.139 (talk) 09:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural 

message: Please add a disambiguation page for LLB. It currently refers to three things (please note that I was Bold and added Little League Baseball as one of these things.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by StarBP (talk • contribs) 23:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: "LL." is an abbreviation of the genitive plural legum (of lex, law), thus "LL.B." stands for Legum Baccalaureus in Latin. In the United States, it is sometimes erroneously called "Bachelor of Legal Letters" to account for the double "L".
(1)"legum" is the genitive plural of "lex" in Latin. 
(2)"LL.B." stands for Legum Baccalaureus
(3)it is sometimes erroneously called "Bachelor of Legal Letters" to account for the double "L".
Why is there a double "l". Where does that extra "l" come from? I've searched several dictionaries and etymologies, unfortunately it seems the above information comes directly from them. I've searched online sources and "answer"-type websites, unfortunately the answers provided seem to be copied verbatim from...this site.
Can anyone enlighten me? As a linguistics major I find it embarrassing that I have no idea exactly why there are two "l's" in LLB 206.225.132.27 (talk) 01:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  confused 

message: Too many local contents are included, which causes confusions and signifies them by generalizing too much.
I'd like to make a suggestion: 
1. Complete the general description part excluding local contents. 
2. Then provide local contents (e.g., legal education system, license, etc.) country by country  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meister Hoora (talk • contribs) 20:04, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance of description 

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message: The name of the degree is (and always has been) "Bachelor of Laws". I have corrected the first sentence of the article to reflect that fact. Someone had wrongly changed it to "Bachelor in Laws and Legislation", presumably to justify the second "L". The second "L" is there because the postnominal abbreviation is Latin and it is a Bachelor of LawS (plural). That is why the first full stop is placed after the second "L". I cannot find any university that admits people to a "Bachelor in Laws and Legislation", which doesn't even make any sense as legislation is a form of law.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.165.169 (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the Degree 

message: The section for the United States opens with "The United States no longer offers the LL.B...." However, I found at least one university that does offer it, Indiana University-Indianapolis. The FAQ explicitly refers to the degree as an LL.B. and not a BA in Legal Studies, etc.
https://mckinneylaw.iu.edu/admissions/jd/faq.html
Could the article be rewritten to reflect this? Is this source acceptable? 172.78.9.238 (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degree offered in the United States 

message: Define bailment,give example 182.189.220.2 (talk) 09:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Equity 

message: Israel is missing from the description of "Common law programs" 5.29.81.115 (talk) 12:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing Israel