Talk:List of rivers of England and Wales

message: Can we get other coast lines defined by reference to headland points, as is now the case for the Pentland Firth coastline? Laurel Bush 12:06, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Defining coastlines

message: Northern Irish rivers were already listed in a more complete and detailed list on the Rivers of Ireland article, which deals with the whole of the island of Ireland. I know Northern Ireland is in the UK, but I feel it makes more geographical sense to keep the list on the Ireland page, otherwise we'd have two seperate pages for each river that crossed the border from Northern Ireland into the Republic of Ireland. Obviously a river cannot flow from Northern Ireland into another UK country so in this case perhaps UK should be seen in geographical rather than political terms? Grunners 14:49, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Ireland

message: Please see Wikipedia:How_to_copyedit; Note that the English form of Wikipedia has no preference for American, British or other forms of English so long as this is consistent for the whole page. There is no inconsistency within the article and the previous usage would be the standard usage in the subject area of this article; there is therefore no reason to correct the spelling to North American norms. -- Chris j wood 22:14, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Organize and counter-clockwise

message: I've just written articles on the River Brathay and the River Rothay. These rivers don't flow into the sea, but instead into Windermere (lake). Any suggestions as to how these might be categorised? There are other such rivers in the Lake District. Arcturus 23:10, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lacustrine !

message: I suspect this river actually flows into the Atlantic north of the Mull Of Kintyre.
*It flows into Loch Fyne and then immediately east of Kintyre. Warofdreams 12:10, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: River Fyne

message: I am amazed that all these lists have rivers and their tributaries going against the flow of the particular streams - surely, out of sheer logic, since the river increases in size as it moves from its source to its estuary - tributaries of a river should be given in the direction of flow and not against it??? Is there some peculiar WIKI logic that tells against that? Peter Shearan 13:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: How odd!

message: The list doesn't seem to deal very well with rivers which cross national boundaries; especially their tributaries (for instance, English- rising tributaries of rivers rising in Wales). How might we fix this? Andy Mabbett 12:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Trans-national rivers

message: As part of an ongoing campaign to declare Cornwall entirely distinct from England, User:MacRusgail has changed "Rivers of England and Wales..." to read "Rivers of Cornwall, England, and Wales...".  This usage is non-standard, and Wikipedia is not the place to establish neologisms.  The constitutional status of Cornwall article cited is useful here, as it states "the Parliament and Government of the UK, as well as Cornwall County Council, treat Cornwall as an administrative and ceremonial county of England".  Whether or not this is fair or desirable is not the issue here, where the intro does not need to go into detail on this subject. Warofdreams talk 12:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornwall

message: I'm not quite sure of the organisation & system underlying the listing but I think there is a problem (or two) in the  section: In England, flowing into the Bristol Channel.
The list appears to show the Cam as a tributry of Midford Brook. I thought it was tributory of the  River Chew unless there is more than one Cam in Somerset (which is quite possible). It doesn't include other tributories of the Chew ie Winford and Strode Brooks - how small a brook should this list be going down to?
The River Yeo link on the list goes to the Congresbury Yeo article showing it as a tributory of the River Parrett, although the article says it "empties into the Severn Estuary in Clevedon Bay". A search for the River Yeo leads to a disambiguation page which shows 7 Yeo's in Somerset, which don't appear to be on the list of rivers.
This would all take a better geographer/map reader than me to sort out - but I d think it needs sorting.Rod 21:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list would benefit from checking; it is certainly not complete.  As a very broad guide, when initially compiling it, I tried to include rivers with "River" in their name, and exclude smaller watercourses named "Brook", "Drain", etc, unless they are large or otherwise notable.  However, it might be better to include all rivers sufficiently large to merit a Wikipedia article. Warofdreams talk 23:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree in principle but even this has problems. I have tried to include rivers with an average daily flow of greater than 1 million gallons a day (an arbitary figure!) but even this excludes a number of Rivers and includes many Brooks, Drains etc. A difficult area for consistency. I would propbably err on the side of completness and include those named on the OS 1:50,000 maps. Velela 23:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chew,  Cam & Yeo Somerset 

message: Someone who knows where this flows should add this river to the list. It flows through Newtown Linford and forms Cropston Reservoir. Rmhermen 21:05, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[River Lin]]

message: I have included the River Kenwater among those listed under Wales, although it lies entirely in England. In fact, it only exists as a brief branchoff from the Lugg, which it rejoins after less than 2 miles. The problem is that it doesn't strictly have a point of rising at all (unless you say that it rises at the same point as the Lugg). This seems the best place for it, unless someone else disagrees... Jon Rob 12:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fine and follows current practice whereby the country of origin is determined by the point of confluence with the sea. All tributaries are then recorded against that river. This means for the Welsh Dee and the River Wye that many tributaries wholly in England appear in the Welsh section because both rivers discharge into the sea in Wales. The opposite is true of the River Severn for which many tribs are in Wales but all are quite properly recorded in the English section. Velela 20:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification Problem 

message: The River Foulness is missing from the list. I am unsure where to place it. It flows into the Market Weighton Canal which joins the Humber at Weighton Lock. May be it should go between Ouse & Hull  
Keith D 23:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Foulness 

message: I am wondering if the Lod, in the Lodsworth/Fernhurst area, qualifies for this list. It is a tributary of a tributary (Western Rother). It is named as a river and has a mean flow of 0.59 m3s-1, if anybody knows how to translate that into gallons per day.(Hidden Dragon 12:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  River Lod (West Sussex) 

message: To List of rivers of England - Wales has now got its own national list.--MacRusgail 18:34, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it over and redirected there. Have attempted also to clean up the introductory paragraph and have removed the "In England..." references in the section headings. Theelf29 11:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some tidying up; but I oppose the split in general - there are too many according between England and Wales, or in one, but with tributaries arising in the other. This should have been discussed, first. Not the inclusion, on the new ...England page, of, for example Afon Carno, Afon Trannon, Afon Clywedog, Afon Cynllaith & Afon Dulas. Andy Mabbett 11:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Why? Because Wales is its own country, and should have its own page. The current page, until I altered it, also implied Scotland was part of England. Those rivers which appear in both countries, should appear on both lists. --MacRusgail 14:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Arrogance and "knowing" it must be right it is neither part of the Wikipedia ethic and nor is overt nationalism as in "Wales is it own country...". I propose a restitution of the original list and let's have the discussion first and then make any agreed moves;  rather than moving and debating after the event. Velela 19:28, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move