Talk:Portuguese language/Archive 4

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message: The Boston link could do with updating to point to the appropriate Boston article, but I'm not sure which it is. --John 23:15, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Boston link

message: Hi, I've just added a bit of info about the participation of Galiza in the Portuguese spelling reform, with a link  to a site with information about the reform, participants, the text of the reform itself and some pictures. Maybe we should put too a little information about the previous (and failed) 1986 reform, that took place in Rio de Janeiro. In the site I linked there's a bit of information about that, too. --SugarKane 03:06, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a separate article for the spelling reforms would be better, but I think I don't have much more info about them in order to make a decent article :-/ Any website with more information? --SugarKane 10:57, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese Spelling Reforms

message: To what extent can we consider Olavo Bilac's term as "a generally accepted term". I mean... are we comparing him to Camões or Cervantes? I'm sure there are many other ways of referring to Portuguese, but we should restrict ourselves to the ones that people actually use, don't you agree? Paulo Oliveira 10:38, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  you must excuse my ignorance, but I thought you were referring to a guy from a portuguese pop band, and that will surely make you laugh. Paulo Oliveira 14:02, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL. Yes, there is a Portuguese guy with that name!!! This one is a Brazilian from the beginning of the 20th century who wrote beautiful poems. But I didnt even remembered that. I thought you didnt knew the reference "A ultima flor do lácio... bela e inculta blah blah blah". it is a beautiful reference thats why it is known and often used. And because Camoens and Cervantes are a sort of literary monsters.-Pedro 14:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to the language 

message: The word comes from an abnormal construction of "Maxim" (the buses' trademark) and "Bomb" (the sound people said they made when being driven). This term was also used in Mozambique (and I'm pretty sure it was coined by natives from Mozambique) and shouldn't be regarded as an official word. It doesn't come in their dictionary and is as official as "bué" is in Portugal. Paulo Oliveira 10:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Machimbombo 

message: I never heard of this word... Can an English native speaker tell me if it exists... I search the dictionary and found revolved, but it has a different meaning... Paulo Oliveira 11:00, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Devolved or regressed might be better - if I understood what the original editor meant. --Sn0wflake 16:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reevolved 

message: According to Atlas of the World's Languages the Portuguese language is the 7th most spoken language in the world, with a number of acbout 170 million speakers (this article refers it as the 5th or 6th most spoken with more than 200 million speakers). Where was the "200 millions 5th or 6th rank" information obtained? I agree with the Atlas when it states that Mandarin, Spanish, English, Arabic, Bengali and Hindi are the first 6 most spoken languages in the world, Hindi having about 189 million speakers. Paulo Oliveira 11:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * So why don't the other country articles use it? And where can this research be made? I think we all want to help here, not offend others, right? For your information, I looked at the Brazil article and thought it was a good source. It's accepted by Wikipedians, isn't it?
*** It wasnt to offend you. Using a reference that uses a 170 million number, is not a very bright thing to do. Is not a bad thing putting in 7th, but it not very correct, just because you saw in a dubious source, it doesnt mean this article should include all the dubious info you saw. Problem with Arabic you can see in the arabic article. About the demography, I dont know, all info was research by someone. The one from that article was used because it is based on credible sources. Obviously the real number is different, (ouch it got different from the previous message) but that's not our problem. In Portugal at least, the number is very good. Oops, one more little Portuguese is born. Maybe in Brazil it seems too much, and in Angola too small. That's why I think the best is to use that article, which is spefically for that subject. 7 million is a lot of people for Portugal, but for a country were a single city has more population than Portugal has a all, it isnt. -Pedro 13:58, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most spoken languages 

message: "In the first period of "Old Portuguese" - Portuguese-Galician Period (from the 12th to the 14th century), the language came gradually into general use in the following centuries, after gaining popularity in the Christian Iberian Peninsula as a language for poetry." needs to be re-written. This isn't correct English. The portuguese translation would be, more or less the following: "No primeiro período de Português Antigo - ..., a língua foi gradualmente aceite para uso geral nos séculos seguintes após ganhar popularidade, ...". The problem is in "came gradually into use in the following...". It doesn't make sense to me! Paulo Oliveira 11:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * It's not only the expression you mention, its also the syntax of the phrase. It's not correct. Paulo Oliveira 13:15, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction suggestion 

message: I dont like much of the rotating flags in an encyclopedia article although they are usual in Lusophone-tematic websites - but this is an article. it would be nice a picture of the 8 flags in a circle with a globe in the middle. Or maybe we can email the IILP and ask them for permition to use their logo... I dont know their email. I searched in the site but I couldnt find, neither the copyright issues. Their logo is very nice. -Pedro 20:56, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rotating flags

message: [] I find the flickering gif annoying when I'm reading the surrounding text. Since it doesn't add much/anything to the article, I suggest the next person that agrees with me should remove it.  (Unless someone replies to this comment and explains the overriding encyclopedaic value of it.) Gronky 19:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  That animated gif is pretty annoying 

message: Im brazilian and I never heard the conjuntive verb mode; perhaps the author misspelled Subjunctive, which would be equivalent to Subjuntivo?LtDoc 05:20, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Conjuntivo" is the European Portuguese version for "subjunctive" (it is even accepted in English). In Brazil, the form "subjuntivo" is more common. Velho 22:25, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conjuntive? 

message: I'm going to correct the last addition to grammar. (1) It was written about the subjunctive, when even the examples regard the indicative (!!); (2) "Unique" must be replaced by "peculiar", "interesting" or something like that. There are too many languages in the world for us to make claims about uniqueness. Velho 22:26, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting last addition to Grammar 

message: Just a thought, but what does everyone think of adding Graciliano Ramos as an example of a famous and influent writer in portugese? I would imagine that he's important enough to warrant a small mention.--Vertigo200 18:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though I do consider Vidas Secas to be quite an important book, I don't think that G. Ramos could be considered one of the most famous or influential writers in the Portuguese language. --Sn0wflake 22:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graciliano Ramos 

message: Section 3.1 on dialects is redundant with the article Portuguese_dialects. The said article has been edited since the information was copied, so now we have a version-management problem. I propose that readers be given only the link, unless Wikipedia makes it possible to display information from other articles in-line. In either case, the version-management problem is unacceptable. 84.81.60.126 13:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets delete the entire article! --Pedro 14:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to delete 3.1 Dialects, due to redundancy with article "Portuguese_dialect" 

message: Cafune is depicted in the article as being of african origin, while I believe it is of tupi-guarani origin.LtDoc 17:24, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cafuné 

message: I hate to say it but this seems absurd.  In what sense is it the closest?  Sounds?  Vocabulary?  I have heard Piauenses speak and I have heard Portuguese speak and frankly I see no connection. What is the source for this statement? vogensen 14:35, 15 December 2005
* The Brazilian Academy of Letters. And I've also heard that and I agree.--Pedro 18:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialect of Piauí closest to European Portuguese?