Talk:Mongol Empire

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message: In the first image (Expansion of the Mongol Empire 1206–1294 superimposed on a modern political map of Eurasia), Sri Lanka looks significantly distorted. Taiwan also looks distorted. I could not grasp errors about the shape of other regions, as I could only recognize the shapes of the islands. I am not sure whether or not other countries are distorted as well. But at least can someone restore the original shape of those countries? Because the shape variations are obvious in them. Samithufedo (talk) 09:22, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sri Lanka and Taiwan looks distorted in the first image. (Map) 

message: The article states at Mongol Empire#Early organization: "In addition to laws regarding family, food, and the army, Genghis also decreed religious freedom ...." However, three paragraphs later,  under Mongol Empire#Religious policies, it states, "Genghis Khan and a number of his Yuan successors placed restrictions on religious practices they saw as alien. ... Muslims were forbidden from halal or zabiha butchering, while Jews were similarly forbidden from kashrut or shehita butchering, both of which were incompatible with the Mongolian method of butchery. Referring to the conquered subjects as 'our slaves,' Genghis Khan demanded they no longer be able to refuse food or drink, and imposed restrictions on slaughter." Then, after a blockquote, it states again, "Genghis Khan arranged for the Chinese Taoist master Qiu Chuji to visit him in Afghanistan, and also gave his subjects the right to religious freedom, despite his own shamanistic beliefs."
What is the basis for saying that Genghis Khan allowed "religious freedom" in light of these restrictions on Muslims and Jews? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:42, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious freedom? 

message: Someone has removed all mentions of the states which preceded the Mongol Empire, which goes against the usual policy Wikipedia has of including all predecessor states or cultures, see the Austria-Hungary article for example Godzillasizedemu (talk) 03:14, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think this is correct - there are far too many of them; the list was not even that complete.  Roman Empire and Roman Republic only list a single domestic predecessor. The infobox is far too cluttered even without them.  Johnbod (talk) 03:30, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

text: You seem unaware that Wikipedia guidelines supplant vague precedent; MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE states that "The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance...wherever possible, present information in short form, and exclude any unnecessary content." Having a non-exhaustive list of a dozen entities, some of which hadn't been around in any meaningful way for decades (Khamag Mongol) or centuries (Yenisei Kyrgyz Khaganate), goes directly against the purpose of an infobox. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:19, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Might not there still be some merit in listing just the Khamag Mongol and the four successor Khanates? I agree that the full list is ridiculous, confusing and unhelpful, but what about the minimalist approach? Iskandar323 (talk) 13:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in favour of just including the four successor states. Khamag Mongol cannot be considered a predecessor state in a meaningful way. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree, but the four successor states are all mentioned in the quick timeline, so I think we are good as we currently are. Johnbod (talk) 04:39, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preceded By: 

message: Please Don't Delete it. Unfriendly770 (talk) 16:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Unsourced speculation is not allowed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  you must be kidding. Khamag Mongol is a loose confederation. What speculation are you talking about? Beshogur (talk) 18:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a loose confederation. So loose, in fact, that no one knows what precisely is being talked about. I've just looked at seven sources of the early Mongol Empire; not one uses the term "Khamag Mongol", because it can mean literally anything you want it to. Confederation ending with the death of Ambhagai? Sure. The tribe to which Yesugei belonged? Why not. The forces Temujin built up? If you want. Anything so problematic should be given the same prominence reliable sources give it — none. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:43, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You might be right. I'll research this further. Beshogur (talk) 19:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

text: @AirshipJungleman29 After my researches,I finally know its a a tribe conferation, but what speculation are you talking about? Unfriendly770 (talk) 11:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

text: It was a real existed tribe conderation Unfriendly770 (talk) 11:24, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Find reliable sources clearly explaining details of the Khamag Mongol. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:57, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I added khamag mongol to preceded country 

message: @Vishgor: to reiterate: there is a clear consensus for the omission of that from the infobox in previous discussions on this talk page. Not every parameter in an infobox is equally useful in every situation, that's not what infoboxes are for. If a reader would like all of the details, they may read the article, the infobox is for summary at a glance. Remsense诉 04:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox tinkering 

message: The redirect Great Mongolia has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Rusalkii (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
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