Talk:List of people from the Basque Country

message: In simpler days, Tribes would hold Councils that could in fact strip a criminal of membership in the tribe, of his tribal name, etc. It would be a good thing if those councils could be restored in order that the Gruzians (Georgians) could expel Zhughashvili, the Germans What's-his name, the Khmer Pol Pot, the Basque Pinochet (if he is really Basque), etc., from the tribes. It is not a matter of "guilt" by association, but the shame that such monsters defile the good name of the Tribe. Das Baz 16:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bring Back Tribal Councils

message: The Bascoms, including Remington seem too removed (from 1410!) from their Basque origins to be here if I read the Bascom tree correctly. 
--Error 01:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bascoms

message: I have started to add flags to represent Basques from Basque dispora. I have used this,   , to add in front of names of actual Basques from the Basque Country or to people born to TWO Basque parents. If the person is a Basque dispora I just put the flag of the country they were born in, in some cases where there is duel citizenship I put two flags. As of now I have finnished 4 sections but I have a horrible headache so I will work on the rest later. If anyone else would like to add them feel free to help.--Joebengo 22:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added all the flags except for Hisham II and Abd al-Rahman Sanchuelo because as far as I know they are not born Basque and not first generation Basques and there is no flag for Córdoba. I also added pictures on the right side of the pages, they are all Basques (born in the Basque Country, or born to Basque parents)--Joebengo 15:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It is shocking to find people from the Modern Age with a modern flag or anti-nationalist people with a Ikurriña or people from Navarre with a Ikurriña. And you can't know if somebody is a Spanish or French citizen. Weird. --Error 22:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you are saying here but this is a List of Basques and the reason that the flags were put there in the first place was to seperate Basques with direct lineage to the Basque Country and Basques who simply have a basque surname. If you feel something should be done to show that a person is either a Spainish or French citizen then maybe you can shoot out some ideas.--Joebengo 22:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I understand, the only problem is that I don't think any jon doe who would come to the List of Basques article would know that is what it is used for, instead they would much better understand the flag of spain but seeing is how the flag of spain is not being used for basque born people i dont see how it would be much help.--Joebengo 03:06, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Flags 

message: Hi Das Baz ,
I appreciate your interest in adding more people to the 'list of basques' lastname 'Aguirre',but I think this 'Francisco de Aguirre' is a controversial one for many reasons and it is not adequate for this article :
- He is born in Toledo-Castilla- Spain that is 400 kilometres far any basque country or region. -His real first last name is 'de la rua ' -galician or portuguese last name . -His mother is 'Meneses Aguirre ' .Meneses is also portuguese ,but I dont know if you have heard that
- 'Aguirre ' is one of the most or the more extended basque origin last name ,there almost 'million/s' of Aguirre everywhere and Not all of them have parents,grandparents or great grandparents born in basque country or region or in America or Asia from basque parents,grandparents or greatgrandparents .
-The parents of 'Francisco de Aguirre' (Francisco de la Rua Meneses)were not born in the basque country and were not the grandparents or greatgrandparents either .
Toledo is a very spanish or castilian exponent ,and not precisely a basque man like 'lope de aguirre ' or many others conquistators in America whose parents or grandparents were basque people born in basque country .
So ,I think this 'Aguirre' as a very common or usual lastname could be ok in another list of spanish conquistators or in people from Toledo 'Toledanos' but actually not in the 'list of basques'if you COMPARE with other basque conquistators in that 'list of basque' . This person would be just another exponent of very 'Spanish' conquistator but it is very hard to considerate him, one from 'Toledo ',a basque for this list.
I hope you will understand this all, that's why I ask you to remove this one. I am sure you could find many other non-controversials to replace him in this list.
Thanks a lot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.78.133.114 (talk) 01:44, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Talavera de la Reina(Toledo) and son of 'de la Rua ' .. 

message: The thing is that you are both defending the same version or opinion .It doesn't mean that you are right because of that. I know that you,Spaniards,are more numerous number of people and a lot of them like you could write the same as you,but definitely is the same thing.The amount is not important.
I insist that the people who are of basque heritage in this 'List of basques' ,not spaniards(although some of them spanish citizens),they don't like and didn't like (whenever they lived)to see their name joined to the current spanish flag.And the problem is that if you are using or writing  their names ,you should firstly respect them and you should not impose the spanish flag.
About Shipibo woman , I can tell you that she could be ok in the list because she has at least some basque ancestry or lastnames .Thus, she is better or suitable candidate for the list than many spaniards born in the basque country ,like politicians.You can tell that they are basque citizens,bla ,bla bla,I know they pay taxes ja,ja,ja ,(mostly 'sponsored' by the basque country ),specially among politicians ,with no basque heritage ,they are not basques they are merely spaniards.
Thanks. I am getting bored .See you.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.78.133.114 (talk) 16:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the opinion of Escoria82 and Akerbeltz 

message: Hi all. We have policies and guidelines to help us sort out "what to put in and what to leave out".  WP:V and WP:RS are the most clearly applicable ones. Anyone wanna help me with a long, slow fact-checking chore? It's gonna take weeks, probably. I suggest that we temporarily leave everyone on the list who's there now, and check them one by one. If they pass WP:V and WP:RS they stay; if not, they go. All new additions must pass WP:V and WP:RS. Later! Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 22:40, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Plan of attack: there are an unusually large number of images on this page. I'll try to verify the subjects of the images first... then work down the list alphabetically. Wish me luck! ;-) And feel free to help...  Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 23:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] 

message: * I moved the images around; please make changes (but not too many)... I have no idea who is the most famous etc etc. I put Loyola on top because I have heard of him, and the astronaut because the advanced technology etc. is a nice contrast... Two images are commented out and so you cannot see them... there are simply too many politicians to fit in that section.
* I rearranged the sections and deleted the flag icons
* I will do more work on this later in the week; several things can still be improved. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 18:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea what you've done, although maybe we should rearrange things so that all the images can fit in, e.g. Ignatius de Loyola with the other priests, and not there in the beginning, or Eyharts with the scientists. I'll add some text specifying the nationality of the people who isn't Spanish, someone who doesn't know those people will assume that they are. Escorial82 (talk) 12:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think all the pictures can stay... simply because there isn't any place to put them! :-) Try to keep the most important people. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 12:50, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  several changes 

message: Ok, the rather radical work has been done (as stated above). 72.234.39.238‎, I'm not against the inclusion or removal of new/existing Basques but we really must try and avoid ending up where we were before. The ones on the list currently are all those which are clearly Basque, either documented by their Wiki page or by being highly notable and known Basques (esp in the Chefs, Musicians and Scientists sections) still lacking a page that are easily verifiable as Basques (if one had the time to look for a ref).
Before we add/delete new people, can we please briefly bring them up on the talk page if they are NOT verified as ethnic Basques rather than just adding/deleting them? Let's keep things civil :) Akerbeltz (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving on 2

message: Since you continue dividing original 'List of basques' and thus deleting many people of basque origin or ancestry , why don't you create another list besides 'List of Basques ' and 'People of Basque Ancestors'  , for people who are respectable immigrants but who are not of basque ancestry like  'Fito Cabrales(Fito y los Fitipaldis') , 'Fernando Savater', 'Ramón Rubial Cavia' ,.., who actually are of hispanic,castillian,galician or whatever parents origin although they are born in cities of the basque country like Bilbao and outskirts or vitoria. 
You can call it 'List of immigrants(citizens) to the basque country of no basque ancestry'. If not, you are creating a great confusion and lack of credibility including this immigrant people. People who live in the Basque country or Europe are mostly native citizens ,it is not like North America,US or Australia, where most people are immigrants or no native citizens.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.225.80 (talk) 23:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the discussion above and think before you accuse people of agendas. Simply having a Basque surname proves nothing in itself. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since you are dividing 'List of Basques' create 'List of citizens of no basque ancestry' 

message: What about Simón Bolívar? Bolibar is a Basque name, and several other internet sources list him on 'famous Basques' lists. If he's not being listed, perhaps a sentence to explain why he's not primarily of Basque descent? 162.83.255.65 (talk) 21:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He's already on the People with Basque ancestors list. Akerbeltz (talk) 22:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolívar