Talk:List of lord mayors of London

message: Lord Mayor for 2022-23, Nicholas Lyons, should be listed as a Merchant Taylor rather than an Insurer.  Whilst he is also a Liveryman of the Bakers, Insurers and Educators, his mother company is Merchant Taylors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:38BF:C900:9021:17E4:2461:4D2B (talk) 08:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

message: I would say Whittington was Lord Mayor four times. From Museum of London: "In 1397 the Mayor, Adam Bamme, died in office and the King chose Whittington to become the new mayor. He was re-elected the following year, and again for 1406-7 and 1419-20. This made him Mayor of London four times."   --Henrygb 16:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Richard Whittington]]

message: A user blanked this page and pasted the content to List of Lords Mayor of London. I have reverted the change pending the outcome of discussion here.
If it is decided to move the page, it will now require an administrator to delete the other page first. Please do not attempt to move this page by copy and pasting. JRawle (Talk) 14:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you think about using the internet as a source, User:Spider Jerusalem said the websites of those councils use "Lords Mayor" and they don't at all. While I have to confess I previously thought "Lords Lieutenant" was correct, Lords Mayor just sounds silly. JRawle (Talk) 21:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I quote: 'The Lord Mayor has no executive role in determining policy, or in the management of the Council, and Lords Mayor are generally expected to avoid direct involvement in constituency matters during their year in office.' (found here, on a page of the site for the City of Westminster). Spider Jerusalem 11:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just goes to show, none of these sites can be trusted. That has both "Lord Mayors" and "Lords Mayor" on the same page! JRawle (Talk) 12:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Whether it sounds silly or not is irrelevant. It just is the way the term has been pluralised and has been since I think it was the 14th or 15th century. Some modern usage uses Lord Mayors but as neither is universal at this stage, and both are used, and one's usage is primarily on dubious websites and in newspapers, while the other features in thousands of historic documents for hundreds of years, and continues to be said widely, then Lords Mayor has the weight of evidence behind it. If in 20 or 30 years time Lord Mayors came to dominated and the older version disappear (just as cows replaced kyne in modern English) then one could justify Lord Mayors. But not now. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a late entrant to this race, I strongly agree with FearÉIREANN. See my discussion with JRawle over on Talk:List of Lord Chancellors and Lord Keepers (which should, I maintain – with support from Hansard and official House of Lords publications – be "Lords Chancellor" etc.). Websites must always be treated with caution, but you can download official government publications in pdf format. These should be more reliable. SiGarb | Talk 20:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a further late entrant to this discussion, I also strongly believe that the term "Lords Mayor" is correct. My recollection from being taught this is that mayors were chosen in the month of May; the word "mayor" relating directly to this activity. Mayors of larger conurbations were raised to the title "Lord Mayor" to reflect their higher position and therefore the plural must be Lords Mayor.Haynestre (talk) 12:26, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

text: But, in ancient usage, they all started off without it: there was the Chancellor, the Treasurer, the Marshal, the Constable, etc., and over time they added meaningless honorifics to the front of their titles. Indeed in some usages it's still left off (e.g. "To Our Right Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor James Peter Hymers, Baron Mackay of Clashfern, Our Chancellor of Great Britain"). Proteus (Talk) 22:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Mayors vs Lords Mayor 

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*Lord Mayors: this is the form used on the City of London site.  They are not Lords, so I don't see why it should have that plural form. Also, "Lord Mayors" has the greater number of hits on Google. JRawle (Talk) 14:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you think about using the internet as a source, User:Spider Jerusalem said the websites of those councils use "Lords Mayor" and they don't at all. While I have to confess I previously thought "Lords Lieutenant" was correct, Lords Mayor just sounds silly. JRawle (Talk) 21:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I quote: 'The Lord Mayor has no executive role in determining policy, or in the management of the Council, and Lords Mayor are generally expected to avoid direct involvement in constituency matters during their year in office.' (found here, on a page of the site for the City of Westminster). Spider Jerusalem 11:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just goes to show, none of these sites can be trusted. That has both "Lord Mayors" and "Lords Mayor" on the same page! JRawle (Talk) 12:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Whether it sounds silly or not is irrelevant. It just is the way the term has been pluralised and has been since I think it was the 14th or 15th century. Some modern usage uses Lord Mayors but as neither is universal at this stage, and both are used, and one's usage is primarily on dubious websites and in newspapers, while the other features in thousands of historic documents for hundreds of years, and continues to be said widely, then Lords Mayor has the weight of evidence behind it. If in 20 or 30 years time Lord Mayors came to dominated and the older version disappear (just as cows replaced kyne in modern English) then one could justify Lord Mayors. But not now. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 21:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a late entrant to this race, I strongly agree with FearÉIREANN. See my discussion with JRawle over on Talk:List of Lord Chancellors and Lord Keepers (which should, I maintain – with support from Hansard and official House of Lords publications – be "Lords Chancellor" etc.). Websites must always be treated with caution, but you can download official government publications in pdf format. These should be more reliable. SiGarb | Talk 20:11, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a further late entrant to this discussion, I also strongly believe that the term "Lords Mayor" is correct. My recollection from being taught this is that mayors were chosen in the month of May; the word "mayor" relating directly to this activity. Mayors of larger conurbations were raised to the title "Lord Mayor" to reflect their higher position and therefore the plural must be Lords Mayor.Haynestre (talk) 12:26, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

text: But, in ancient usage, they all started off without it: there was the Chancellor, the Treasurer, the Marshal, the Constable, etc., and over time they added meaningless honorifics to the front of their titles. Indeed in some usages it's still left off (e.g. "To Our Right Trusty and Well-beloved Counsellor James Peter Hymers, Baron Mackay of Clashfern, Our Chancellor of Great Britain"). Proteus (Talk) 22:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Lord Mayors of London]] or [[List of Lords Mayor of London]]?

message: This entry for the mayor of 1300-1301 is erroneous, as are a lot of other people listed as being Lord Mayor. I have checked the official material given at the bottom from the City Of London Corporation itself and Alex Rodriguez was NOT the mayor at the time, nor have a number of people listed as being Lord Mayors ever held the office. Anyone researching the Lord Mayor and its history should be aware of this. It appears that whoever wrote the article, or someone who came along later, has filled in certain parts as the .pdf states, but then at what they must have deemed "less important and obscure" times and years gone and picked names at random. I think a warning at the head of the page should be made in order to warn people of these "errors" so that unwitting people aren't caught out.
According to the Liber Albus, the City's compendium of laws brought together by John Carpenter in 1423 Russel and Blound cover this period between them. So I have removed Rodriguez who is obviously a jester  - the list now conforms with the City List which I suggest should be put here instead. 79.72.81.131 (talk) 08:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alex Rodrigeuz 

message: According to the memoirs of Sir Abraham Reynardson (Lord Mayor in 1648):
“Upon Sir Henry Garraway’s retirement, the King’s party, desiring to continue the line of Royalists, put Sir W. Acton in nomination for the mayoralty. The election was then preceded by Holy Communion and sermon, the manner of it the same as that described by Fleetwood in Elizabeth’s reign (d, pages 106-107; j, page 21). The choice and nomination were with the Common Hall, and the selection was by the Court of Aldermen (d, page 115) of one of two sent to them from the electors. A Common Hall of young mechanics and other unqualified persons would not hear of Acton,1 for Soames and Wright had the most voices, but desired to be spared from serving. Acton was anxious only to know the King’s mind, and resolved to hold office until the King should put him out. At a subsequent meeting, duly constituted, Acton was legally elected, but displaced by Parliament in favour of Wright."
Shouldn't Acton be included in the list?
Quoted from 'London during the great rebellion, being a memoir of Sir Abraham Reynardson, Knt' pages 13-14  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.230.23 (talk) 19:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir William Acton, 1st Bt 

message: The other day I removed some of the non-existent links as part of an effort to tidy up the article.  Today this was undone - citing no explanation - so here it is.  I have changed it back to how it was when I removed the links.  Having links to pages which do not exist looks messy and does not help anyone.  I hope to spend more time removing other non-existent links on the page at some point soon - however it is such as large job it is just a case of little and often.  Anyone who has time - please help! Uvghifds (talk) 16:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, firstly it would be helpful if you could use edit summaries, which will make it far less likely that your edits will be reverted. As a general point red links are OK in lists such as this if the subject is sufficiently notable to have their own WP article.Rangoon11 (talk) 16:37, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: The Gentleman's Magazine, London England, Volume 163 has an article on page 226 (reference ) and it seems the Mayor's name may be Owen Buckingham.
Should the article be changed to this name - or show both? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Jackie, I'm afraid you've lost me. 1704 does say "Owen". What is Chnen?Lexysexy (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeems to be a changed version of the WP page - and if you do a websearch the 1704 chap does appear as Chnen. Jackiespeel (talk) 22:40, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Chnen Buckingham

message: Material linking off from the equivalent London Wiki page  can be used in articles here (or serve as the starting point for such articles). Jackiespeel (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  London Wiki 

message: Could the two sides of the table be balanced out more.
Information on London wiki can be made use of - a mixture of OR, Wikisource and other sources. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  20th century table 

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message: Could we please have some discussion about the new collapsed format, and whether it is desirable? I found the old format preferable. Eebahgum (talk) 21:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Eebahgum. Ref your other message, collapsed tables could be (or at least should have been able to be) expanded using [show] at the right, but the order of the show "button" and the sort columns is out of whack. I've set the view to uncollapsed by default, and if there's no strong consensus for collapsing then that can remain (I don't mind uncollapsed, it was just that there's probably close to 600 rows). ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 23:13, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Hydronium~Hydroxide, for the reply. Now I have sussed it out I like your drop-down listings and the dynamic column sort facility. My initial confusion was (as you say) the [show] feature seeming to be associated with the rather unimportant 'Notes' column, and so not at once seeing how to get the tables open (when burning midnight oil). Perhaps the word [show] could be in a brighter colour, like a bluelink - does WP have such conventions? That would make the collapsed format more approachable. Thankyou anyway, it must have taken some work to do and it is a very useful edit. Apologies for my momentary alarm (now subsided), and regards, Eebahgum (talk) 00:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New format 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:List of Lord Mayors of Birmingham which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 16:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: I have a COI , cannot edit the article space, subject may be a candidate for an article/this info may help researchers.
Sir Edward Earnest Cooper was a musician, vocalist, 
 an architect,
his family life may have also been recently written about.
ESparky (talk) 18:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a particular interest in making an article on this topic, but depending on your level of COI, you may be able to edit Draft:Edward Earnest Cooper. Actual risk from COI appears likely to be low given he died almost a century back, so if you do and you notify me, I will review it for move into mainspace provided, of course, that it meets requirements for reliable sourcing, neutrality, notability (general or subject specific), declaration of COI, content, style, formatting, etc. etc. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 10:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: @User:Hydronium Hydroxide I am very good friends with Cooper's great-grandson.  I'm not really sure if there is anything more than a stub article there, but I thought it might be useful to future researchers if (some of) Cooper's references were exposed in his line item in this article, indicating that there is more to be found on Cooper. Thank you for your response! ESparky (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

text: There's also footage of his Lord Mayor's Show from 1919 here. (Pinging  in case it's new to you; thought you might be interested). Thanks for the links. The JSTOR one in particular looks good. Mortee (talk) 15:50, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Edward Cooper (1919) 

message: With the '1455 	Sir William Marlowe	Grocer'	listing the link is to a 20th century namesake. Correct link/differentiated name? Jackiespeel (talk) 11:07, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Marlowe 

message: I have just filled in bibliographical details for several of the existing references, and updated some of the links. It's not quite clear, though, why a few Lords Mayors have inline citations while most do not - a legacy, perhaps, from when the article was in an earlier state of compilation, and some verifications were required? Eebahgum (talk) 02:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: Nicholas Lyons GeorgetheGreat1999 (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The mother livery company of Nicholas Lyons is Merchant Taylors, rather than Insurers 2A02:C7C:504B:9900:7536:8893:B31C:A87A (talk) 20:58, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the mother livery company of Vincent Keaveny is Solicitors, rather than Woolmen. Thank you 62.255.103.162 (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  new lord mayor 

message: Add
1356, Henry Picard, vintner
to the list.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Picard_(Lord_Mayor)
and
https://books.google.hu/books?id=w28BAAAAYAAJ&dq=Sir+Henry+Picard++Lord+Mayor+1356&pg=PA466&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sir%20Henry%20Picard%20%20Lord%20Mayor%201356&f=false 2A01:36D:1500:6550:91B4:39EC:5588:F508 (talk) 12:23, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: - His name was actually already on the list but it was hidden as there was a typo which hid the name from the list. DDMS123 (talk) 21:38, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2023 

message: Here his name is given as 'Simon de Montfort', but [ and  give 'Simon de Mordone.' What should be the correct name here? Jackiespeel (talk) 13:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  1368 Mayor 

message: There is a divergence in the livery companies for these two mayors here and on https://liverycommittee.org/about/city-of-london-corporation/the-lord-mayor/current-and-past-lord-mayors/ Jackiespeel (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 and 2022 Mayors' Companies 

message: As Sir William Russell also served two terms how should the 'Note' be changed (given that there were particular circumstances for the latter occurrence). Jackiespeel (talk) 19:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Fowler 

message: He is a member of the Company of Communicators Jackiespeel (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Mainelli 

message: This says there have been six Fanmaker mayors - but only five are listed here. Was there a second change of guild (as with Sir John Charles Bell)? Jackiespeel (talk) 20:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth Mayor