Talk:Bear Bryant

message: The opening graph has the idea of namesake reversed. If item A is named for item B then A is the namesake of B. The graph is worded as if Bryant was named for the stadium as opposed to the correct reversal of that.  
From the wikipedia page on namesake:
There has been some discrepancy as to whether the first-named or the second-named person, place or thing takes the term namesake. According to the American Heritage Dictionary, a namesake is a person or thing named after another. According to the Oxford English Dictionary, a namesake is a person or thing having the same name as another. This ambiguity may sometimes be resolved by the term namegiver, which clearly refers to the first-named person.
Thoughts on clarification?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.196.203 (talk) 04:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you have a point. Maybe just break that last sentence into two and say that the museum a and the stadium were both named in his honor. - JodyB talk 12:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Namesake

message: I added this section.  These items were buried under the Legacy section and are easier to find in this format. --STS01 16:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honors & Awards

message: I assume this section is meant to include players coached by Bryant who received "All-American" honors. I think it would be more useful to further describe what "All-Americas" are (are these AP All-Americans? Kodak? Playboy? McDonald's? Parade?). And it's probably more useful for Wikipedia to list all of these in another article and link that one to here rather than just to put forth a small list as evidence of Bryant's accomplishments. Dystopos 16:29, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All that sloppy stuff was written by a Bama fanboy. Expectations must be lowered accordingly. I've cleaned up the stuff that was worth keeping, and deleted the rest. Microtonal...(Put your head on my shoulder) 18:39, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember, no personal attacks. Keep up the good work. Dystopos 20:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think It would be perinent to add the museum named in his honor? Csmedley 11:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bear All-Americas

message: This nickname has been reported so many times. Please cite your source for this information. -Scaife (Talk)  Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 07:31, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are any number of sources that report the bear-wrestling story (ignoring the Wikipedia back-citations, of course). The MSN Encarta article might be slightly more authoritative. Whether the story is actually true and not just an oft-repeated folk-legend, I can't say, at least not without doing further research. Microtonal 07:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bryant himself recounted the story in his autobiography, Bear: The Life and Times of Alabama's Coach Paul Bryant 128.158.14.42 21:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bear"

message: Someone needs to clarify exactly what the sequence was in respect to his military service in WWII - First the article says he enlisted in the Navy; then it says he served in the North African campaign which was early in the war; ok; then it says he was Honorably Discharged in order to train recruits in North Carlina; ok; and then it says he attained the rank of Lt. Commander. Someone please do a better job of explaining how an enlisted man who was discharged attained the rank of Lt. Commander.--Hokeman 16:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bryant's military career 

message: The number of Junction "survivors" was recently changed from 35 to 29. An (admittedly brief) web search turned up 35 as the most commonly cited number - this page, for example, lists 35 names. (I also saw the number 34 cited.) I put a  label on it. Pawl 16:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Junction survivors 

message: This page is starting to read like a book which not the purpose of this site.  Excessive unsourced narration removed on 11/30/06
There is no length requirement for articles. He is an important subject for college football and needs to be discussed throughly and completely. If that takes a lot of space, then so be it. I resorted the ratings back to B and High as the WikiProject College football has set criteria for ratings and he is high priority. --MECU≈talk 03:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page needs to be slimmed down 

message: I removed the fansite template. It looks like most of the offending material has been removed since the template was applied. Cogswobble 15:37, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fansite Template

message: I replaced the unnecessary editing done by editor STS01.  There is no need to take a hatchet to an article of your rivals.  Please discontinue your attempts to edit the Auburn POV into the article.  Thanks!
Just noticed that this particular editor, STS01, has vandalized this page in the past.  As a past vandal of this page, his attempts to edit this page should be looked upon warily.  Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.220.228.186 (talk • contribs) 
* Allow me to suggest that it might be more productive to discuss the substance of the changes individually rather than to pass judgment on the editor(s) involved. --Dystopos 03:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * I'll go on the record here as generally supportive of STS01 whose edits do not strike me as part of a conspiracy to introduce an "Auburn POV" but as honest attempts to strip out some Bear-worship POV. Perhaps some of the edits were not necessary, but they can be discussed here on their face and without reference to conspiracy theories. --Dystopos 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnecessary Editing

message: The article indicates Alabama won the SEC championship in 1963 (highlighted).  Mississippi was the actual champion at 5-0-1.  Alabama defeated Mississippi later in the Sugar Bowl. Mountainman501 15:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Best guess is there was some confusion since Alabama eventually defeated an SEC opponent in a bowl game, making it so that each team had one SEC loss afterwards. The fact that Alabama doesn't claim the 1963 conference title (since it's officially bestowed before a bowl game) should help clarify things.  [http://crimsontider.com/sec_champs.htm -- LS Shoals (talk) 19:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1963 SEC Champion 

message: Sorry for the delay of this addition, but you may have noticed that I re-formatted the Legacy page, as it was previously hard to read. Hopefully it's an improvement. I also changed it to include names of people who went on to become head coaches and listed only their jobs in that capacity, as including names of people with direct ties to Bryant who have been or are currently assistant coaches somewhere would make for too long of a list. Please leave any suggestions regarding this section. Thanks! -- LS Shoals (talk) 23:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section 

message: I don't see how the "tribute poem" section is necessary. It doesn't provide any further valuable information about Bryant and it seems it's meant simply to showcase the poem itself. It's my opinion that it should be removed. Removed "namesake" tidbit once again because its placement causes a topical break, and violated Wiki MOS for OR and verifiabilty. Citations and elaboration needed. Original info can be assumed simply from reading article and realizing his influence (people are named after The Beatles, Presidents, actors, etc., but there doesn't need to be an inclusion on each person's page to mention that people are named for them) -- LS Shoals (talk) 17:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the tribute poem based on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. It can be perceived as a memorial piece, it includes first-hand journalism from a newspaper, and is self-promotion of the poet. I felt it was fair to remove the poem but still mention that it was written for him in the Honors and Awards section -- LS Shoals (talk) 09:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribute poem and namesakes 

message: I removed the line about Bryant winning a 1981 "Coram Award" because a web search on such an award came up empty. Does anyone even know what this is? There's such thing as a "Coram Design Award" but its for designs improving plumbing functions and overall bathroom efficiency. Plus, the award was handed out between 1999 and 2006. LS Shoals (talk) 08:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coram award 

message: I removed the personal research as to what Bryant's hat actually was (claiming it was purely "plaid"). In my opinion, several fans of opposing teams have this vendetta-like attitude and mission to prove that Alabama fans are dumb by suggesting that the pattern on the hat isn't truly what they believe it is (houndstooth). Here are several links () Each makes a case that the pattern is indeed houndstooth, and, at the very least, more resembles houndstooth than plaid, even if the hat could be perceived as a combination of both. I suggest looking at this links, and then discussing this issue more before getting specific as to what the pattern really was in the article. - LS Shoals (talk) 07:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Houndstooth 

message: Really?  Really?  I wish I'd seen the above debate while it was going on.  The man's name wasn't "Bear", people, it was "Paul".  Sometimes Wikipedia gets the most obvious things wrong.  Vidor (talk) 15:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This actually is a valid point.  When we would watch the games on T.V. back them they would even call him Paul "Bear" Bryant. That is interesting that they keep him as Bear Bryant even when you point it out 7 years ago.Easeltine (talk) 00:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  there was a proposal to move the article in 2008, which failed.  The general rule on Wikipedia is to title an article with its most common name as seen in reliable sources, and "Bear Bryant" seems to be the most common name here. Jweiss11 (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of article is Bear Bryant?

message: There was no civilian merchantman  on which 200 men died and that was ordered to be abandoned in World War II. The oil tanker  rammed the US Army troop ship USAT Uruguay in 1943, but only 13 men were killed and Uruguays master, Captain Albert Spaulding, ordered emergency repairs that saved the ship. If Allen Barra's book The Last Coach: The Life of Paul "Bear" Bryant claims that 200 men were killed aboard Uruguay and that Spaulding ordered her to be abaondoned, it is inaccurate. — Motacilla (talk) 16:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The 200 figure seems grossly inflated. However, I did add an apparently reliable source for Bryant's presence and actions on the . This source seems somewhat at odds, however, with the ship's history according to Moore-McCormack. (ETA: And yes, according to Amazon's preview feature, Barra's book does say 200.) Fat&Happy (talk) 18:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: SS ''Uruguay''?

message: The description of racism/integration topic  is inaccurate.  In fact, Wilbur Jackson was a scholarship athlete at the time of the mentioned USC football game.  The other mentioned player and Sylvester Croom, who I believe we're the first three African American scholarship football players at Alabama, also may have been scholarship players at the time of the USC game.  Jackson was, and perhaps the two other African American players were, freshman at the time of the USC game.  At that time, freshman did not play per rules relating to participation in varsity athletics.  I believe these were NCAA rules.  I would like to see these facts corrected by someone with access to support that can lend to accurate citation and thus avoid dispute over Bear Bryant's record on this important issue.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.200.182 (talk) 07:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial Integration on the Alabama Football Team 

message: In the "Legacy" section, it listed 2 actors & movies where Bear Bryant was portrayed, but doesn't list the movie "The Bear" from 1984 starring Gary Busey, so I added it. It didn't require 3 separate lines, so I combined it into 1 paragraph. It also doesn't require a citation --- simply click the Wiki link to each film to verify. PhilOSophocle (talk) 01:45, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Bear" (1984 movie) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Since this article exists, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_W._Bryant_Jr. , perhaps the existence of the coach's notable son should be mentioned here somewhere and a link made.  This source shows that Coach Bryant also had a daughter, Mae: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/1739/paul-bryant  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.179.75 (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  His son 

message: That is some retro ranking by saragin
Here's what the verbiage says (that agrees to other sources) which is in disagreement with the grid area.
Kentucky's final AP poll rankings under Bryant included #11 in 1949, #7 in 1950, #15 in 1951, #20 in 1952, and #16 in 1953. The 1950 season was Kentucky's highest rank until it finished #6 in the final 1977 AP Poll.
Corrected the above.Eman863 (talk) 07:06, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coaches poll did not vote KY #1 in 1950, nor did the AP vote KY #3.   Please correct in the grid area. 

message: I'm searching for the source of this Bear Bryant attributed quote:
:"It was basically the same thing that the late Bear Bryant once said - that even if a local grocery store were to name Alabama as national champions, the Crimson Tide would count it."
: The Gadsden Times, January 6th 2005
Any help appreciated. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote about national championships as awarded by grocery stores