Talk:Adam Michnik

message: Mr. Adam Michnik was a member of PZPR (the Communist party). This (not alone) important fact i find missing here.
:Adam Michnik was NEVER a PZPR member. He was at odds with the communist establishment already during his high school years. Wlod (talk) 18:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: It is doubtful if Adam Michnik's original name was Aaron Szechter. In Poland it was general among Communists of Jewish origin that children were named after the mother if she—unlike the father—had a Polish name. (See Józef Światło, who's original name was Izaak Fleischfarb and his wife's name was Justyna Światło.According to the citated article. However, it is also not obvious if the sources of this data are relevant.) Otherwise, this page—the marked part—is a good example (and a good parody) of the myths among many Poles about the Jewish descent of Polish notorieties.</br>I suggest removing it from the article until there will be authentic sources to support it.
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.38.97.68 (talk) 21:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the following to the external links: From Solidarity to Democracy by Matthew Kaminski, Wall Street Journal, 7 November 2009 (Vol. CCLIV, Iss. 110, pg. A15)
YOU ARE ACTUALLY WRONG - the practice of changing surnames and the lore that Poles had aggregated around this practice has very rational roots. The origins of Jewish surnames date to the German and Austrian administrative reforms, when Germanic surnames were ad hoc created, by non Jewish clarks. Mostly they were derogatory nicknames like Rotschwanz or Hosenduft. The first one translates to red tail -literally red prick, the second pants' smell. No wonder people try to change them. The second wave of changing surnames came with the practice of assimilation on part of progressive Jews to polonise themselves as others did for example German born goyim family Anschutz changed to Anczyc. Third wave was basicaly a communist-stalinist practice to hide the non-Polish origings of the communist party members while they were converting Poles to the ideas of USSR. there was even attested special cell in the Instistute of Marksism in Moscow that was devoted to finding fitting surnames for the Jewish communist cadres. The fourth wave of changes came after the II WW when Jewish comrades from USSR came to ocupied by soviets Poland and the had to pretend to be non-Jewish as happened with a torturer Jozef Różanski originaly Goldberg, and so on the fifth wave of surname changes came in between 1956 and 1968 when the remnants of Jewish communist-stalinists decided to stay and fight for power within Poland rather than be expelled by Gomulka's party. these people include now active family of Komars former Kossoy a GRU assasin later a general in Polish communist army. So as you can see about five waves of changing surnames across nearly one hundred years just about a generation per a version of surname, quite a tradition. now judge for yourselves wether Poles are schizophrenic, or maybe the Jewish surname owners are psychotic?
shemyaza against all  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.169.116 (talk) 21:07, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michnik's original name 

message: The article states: "Michnik's parents were of Jewish and non-Jewish descent, respectively."  However, according to the Polish Wikipedia, both of his parents were of Jewish descent. See  pl: Ozjasz Szechter  and  pl: Helena Michnik. Tsf (talk) 23:35, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is confusingly presented in some sources. Good sources required to clarify it. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 03:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michnik's origin 

message: The beginning of the article links to the Europeans of the Year award established by European Voice magazine in 2001, while the awards and disctintions section says he received Europe’s Man of the Year (1989) – prize awarded by the magazine La Vie. European Voice's website doesn't list him as a winner of European of the Year, so I suppose it's only the La Vie's award that he's received?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.254.41.227 (talk) 13:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  European of the Year? 

message: The article reads:
:Workers' Defence Committee (KOR), ... was one of the best known opposition organizations of the 1970s.
That "one of" expression is a bit tricky but quite transparent fasification of history. Not only that KOR was the best known opposition organizations of the 1970s but it also the only opposition in those years that counted, that really was opposing the communist regime in any meaningful way. It monopolized the whole intellect of the opposition, it was the only serious publisher and dissiminator of uncensenzored (read: underground) information, ... The other organizations were an the best no more than a benign gesture, and in the worst case they were but a (Polish) Ministry of Internal Affairs provocations aimed at splitting the opposition and stearing it toward the nationalistic direction, and away from the anti-communist direction (this was so in effect, despite the demagogy of the leaders of these other organizations) . In particular the Chief Printer of one of those benign organizations years later stated clearly that his operation was nothing compared to the KOR's operation. The activities of those peripheral (marginal) activists were occasionally, on a silly (fortunately) scale, terroristic (like a half cooked attempt at blowing up a communist inspired sculpture). They were hurting (not helping) the anti-communist cause. No wonder that the communist regime, so harsh on KOR and its supporters, was so easy and soft on the other cases, which were actually helping regime. Wlod (talk) 05:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A falsification of history 

message: The article states:
:he was imprisoned, first, after the 1968 March Events
It was certainly not the first time. Adam Michnik and Seweryn Blumsztajn were imprisoned for political reasons a couple years earlier, for smuggling from West (from France) to PRL (communist Poland) literature which was not permitted in Poland at the time.
It seems to me that the information about the Michnik + Szlajfer (both University of Warsaw students at the time, in 1966+early 1967) versus The University of Warsaw case (story) is also either inaccurate or certainly incomplete. There was a "university court" case against them in 1967, which they lost, hence both were expelled from the university. The trial was a result of their (and other komandosów) participation in a discussion in 1966 at an open communist party meeting, after philosopher's Leszek Kołakowski's lecture on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of "The Polish October", 1956).
In general this article seems to be influenced by people who have no sympathy toward Michnik (to put it mildly). Anyway, it includes here and there some garbage. Wlod (talk) 05:29, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Wlod, I've had this one on my personal to-do list for a few weeks now as an IPI World Press Freedom Hero, but I really don't know much about its subject and keep putting it off. You seem to know much more--would you like to collaborate on an overhaul of this sometime? Just let me know... Khazar (talk) 11:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which time? 

message: failed due to insufficient inline citations. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 04:35, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: Can please anyone explain why Adam father's name is Schehter and his brother Stefan father's name is Samuel Rosenbusch /Wikipedia/? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.177.2.232 (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father's name 

message: Hello.  I have a dispute with the family section, and the since 1989 section. For the family section, Stefan Michnik has been accused of what has been stated here.  He has not been tried in a neutral court, nor has there been mention here of the numerous other military judges that were passing sentences at that time.  This mention of Stefan is purely a political statement against Adam, using the wildest hyberbolic language.  
This line from the Since 1989 section "He has taken various positions of support for the former Communist secret police officers, against the Catholic Church and against various post-Communist opposition parties." is both out of context (relative to the Catholic Church) and outright lies (support for Communism in some way shape or form).  Adam Michnik spent 6 total years in communist prisons, so to imply that he is for communism in some way shape or form is ridiculous.  His support of lustration, mentioned in the Controversies section at the end of this Wikipedia article, explains his post communist position, and is the reason why outright lies such as this line from the Since 1989 section are propagated by those not agreeing with his views on lustration. Vikingal (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 16:34, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: The controversies section is poor. 
It cites no sources and yet claims to describe the feelings of a majority of the Polish population toward Michnik. 'his detractors argue...', 'was interpreted by those strongly attached to Catholicism', 'alienated a large section of the population'. 
Without citations it's just conjecture. SouthEaling77 (talk) 08:15, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now citations, but do we have anything in English? "In Gazeta Wyborcza he used his personal influence to protect General Wojciech Jaruzelski and General Czesław Kiszczak from being prosecuted for various crimes". This is very strong statement. Is it something known for a fact to be claimed in WP voice? My very best wishes (talk) 15:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero citations under 'controversies'