Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 17

message: I've proposed several new stub types to help reduce the excess size of the s.  Kirill's pointed out that there are large overlap issues here:  the typical use of stub templates on Napoleonic battle stubs is about four (battle-, NW-, and two countries on average).  The new types would reduce this to a mere three, but it's worthwhile considering whether this many tags should be being used, and whether the current scheme is entirely appropriately.  I've made an analysis of the distribution of the current tags here.  Alai 04:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New stub types proposed 

message: Is it used? It is linked to, but it's talk page is empty - it doesn't even have link to this WikiProject, as is customary. This lost soldier needs help :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's needed for compatibility with the (now deprecated) , and is only going to be around until the replacement of that with  is completed.  —Kirill Lokshin 05:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Template:Campaignbox]]

message: DELETE - This Category is not required, each article has a reference to the "Canada Campaign" in the "Battle Box" and all the battles are noted at List of conflicts in Canada and :Category:Conflicts in Canada.  In addition, the +cat name is in appropriate and the sentence at the top describing the Category "Provence of Canada"...What is this?  The creator of the +cat recently created a similiar +cat called :Category:Battles of the War of 1812 (Northern Theaters), which was deleted see discussion here: Discussion. Please note that the individual User:Mike McGregor (Can) that created this category is the founder and sole member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Canadian military history task force SirIsaacBrock 13:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Commented on the task force talk  page. —Kirill Lokshin 17:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Canada Campaign (American Revolution)]]

message: As of today,  has been completely replaced with the new .  In light of this, I've nominated it for deletion, along with a few related templates. —Kirill Lokshin 03:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The end of [[Template:Battlebox]] 

message: I have started working on the requested articles Battle of Bialystok-Minsk and Battle of the Baltic (1944).  Would somebody be able to produce dedicated maps for these battles, since I am unfortunately singularly untalented? I can probably provide map examples to work from. Cheers. Andreas 10:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map creation

message: In English military writing, names of operations are usually in all-capitals, ie Operation OVERLORD.  Would there be an advantage to using the same in wikipedia military articles, or would the use of all-capitals seem too intrusive?  Michael Dorosh 17:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would avoid it where possible, simply because many readers (and even many editors) are unfamiliar with that style. —Kirill Lokshin 17:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some sources do the same for ship names - again, we don't use the capitals unless there's a specific good reason to. Shimgray | talk | 18:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Operation names

message: I'm wondering if there are any naming conventions for battles that aren't already named.  I'm looking to create a series of articles about the battles associated with the restoration of democracy in Athens after the Peloponnesian War, but only one of the engagements has anything like a standard name.  I'm thinking of creating the articles under the names that seem most obvious, so Phyle campaign, Battle of Phyle, Battle of Munychia etc. (for anyone looking to find out what I'm talking about here, see Thrasybulus#The_Thirty_Tyrants).  Is it ok to just sort of name these battles myself when no one else has?  Also, there's one battle in the campaign that doesn't really have a specific location, and "Battle of Athens" would just sound dumb, so what could I do about that?  RobthTalk 05:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The general convention for battle names (both in Wikipedia and in other literature) is "Battle of Place", so your plan looks fine.  I'm not sure what to do for battles without a specific location; given the time period, I would assume that the exact location is unknown, rather than actually covering a wide area.  Perhaps the name of the region could be used? —Kirill Lokshin 05:20, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, I think it would be appropriate to include the year along with the place name, so "Battle of Olympus Mons (3049)". :D -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, and I like the sound of Battle of Attica (403 BC) (region and year, that is) for the tricky one, so I'll go ahead with those.  Thanks for the input.  RobthTalk 06:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions for unnamed battles 

message: I found this text box on the US Rangers page. How does it compare with the Unit Text box we have here? SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) 12:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're discussing the same thing on Template talk:Infobox Military Unit.  It's not really a template, is designed specifically for a certain type of US unit, and has a lot of parameters that don't really belong in an infobox, so I'd like to replace it with the standard box eventually; there are still a few quirks we need to work out, though. —Kirill Lokshin 14:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Text Box

message: Does anyone else have problems with browser-accessing the new Infobox Military Conflict followed by Campaignbox? I find that the campaignbox is disrupting graphics that follow. When I look at Battle of Shiloh in Mozilla Firefox, I get the first graphic overlapping with text and the [edit] button. I just tried it with Internet Explorer and there is excessive whitespace before the first section after the boxes. Any ideas on how to fix this? Hal Jespersen 05:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed this too and wondered what causes it, but I'm pretty sure I've witnessed it in articles without the Military Conflict Infobox + Campaignbox, so it might just be a general bug? --Loopy e 05:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a known issue whenever there are two somethings with float=right set.  If it becomes really disruptive, moving the campaignbox past the affected header will help; but it's not directly related to the type of template (try stacking two long templates), so it may be best to wait for a general fix. —Kirill Lokshin 14:41, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  problem with campaignbox? 

message: Does any one know what insigna Israeli combat medics wear to identify themselves as combat medics(prior to the Red crystal)? Would it be the red Star of David?   did it still protect them under the Geniva convention eventhough it was not recognized? We're trying to figure this out over at Talk:Combat medic. Any help would be apreciated. Mike McGregor (Can) 14:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Israelie Army medic insignia?