Talk:Gunnar Heinsohn

message: The representation of Heinsohn's theory on anti-Semitism is foreshortened and superficial. His main point was that Hitler wished to erase -- both physically and intellectually and spiritually -- the meaning and heritage of Judaism and Jewish ethics for Germany and his Western European allies by literally destroying the Jews as a people. This is how Heinsohn explained the Holocaust: as an attempt by Hitler and his Nazi cohorts to wipe out the memory and the idea of Jewish ethics, which Heinsohn describes at length in his book on the subject, so that the Germans as a people could have the stomach to wipe out and conquer other people and lands they wished to conquer, have the stomach either to make others slaves or to murder them without any pangs of what Hitler called the "Jewish invention": the conscience or ethical norms brought into Western civilization on the part of the Jews -- and carried on by the Christians. Hitler felt that it was the "Jewish conscience" he was fighting against and trying to eliminate for the Germans, so they would be capable of acting like either pagans or cavemen and be able to do what Hitler thought they should do, to act with utter conscienceless brutality to get what he felt was entitled to them. Hitler also saw in the Christian churches signs of this "Jewish conscience," so the Christian ethics he wanted to wipe out was a "Judaized" ethics and the church, insofar as they followed this "Jewish ethics," was equally endangered. That this was totally irrational on the part of Hitler is not the point. What is missing in the Wikipedia entry on Heinsohn is this vital aspect of Hitler's thinking and his intentions and the power this form of anti-Semitism possesses -- as an explanation for the Holocaust as well as an explication of anti-Semitism in general.Svetov (talk) 11:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that the article is still not in a good shape and it still lacks a better perspective on Heinsohn's mostly refuted claims. However the article at least mentions now in a few lines that some of his results are rejected by mainstream research, but it does not explain really why. The bigger problem however seems to be that most authors seems to be aware of the shortcomings but none (including me) seems to have time or interest to fix it. An alternative solution that might require less work is simply to replace this article by a translation of the german article, which is much better.--Kmhkmh (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  tagging of the article/biased article 

message: This article still needs cleaning up. I've started by making sections and deleting the worst of the original research. 
*The ideas of Heinsohn need to be presented better and there need to be more and better sources discussing them.
*Personal life?
*Bibiliography?
*The references need tidying and duplicates removing.
*Working from his entry on de.wiki may be of some help:.
Fences and windows (talk) 15:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

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