Talk:Minneapolis/Archive 4

message: Hello, I wonder if someone who owns a television or knows better can find a source for TV stations in Minneapolis? Best I can do from Google is the FCC, but that is a search result. We also seem to need a radio station reference and one for the area of the airport . Also the caption needs a better source for Prince's studies at MDT. -Susanlesch 22:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 3400 acres --Appraiser 04:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks, one down. -Susanlesch 11:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It contains more than Mpls, but this external link lists television stations and links to their sites.  I don't think it can be used as a source, but may want to just use  this internal link. Bfx12a9 22:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources needed

message: It seems to me that if we're going to have a table showing population trends, all the data should be from the same source.  If Metro Council estimates are to be used, how far back do they go?--Appraiser 02:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Though I can't answer your question, I restored the table to US census throughout because they have the only ranking data over time that I have seen. But it no longer matches the infobox (this swapping goes on all the time probably?). -Susanlesch 04:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: population

message: I am wondering about the photo that claims Minneapolitans have ancestors from five continents.  Okay, obviously we can exclude Antarctica, but there are clearly descendents of people with roots on all of the six other continents.  Am I missing something?
:*My bad. Sometimes I seem to count the Arctic and make the two Americas one or some other confusion (no idea why). So you think it should say six? Hope you or someone else who knows will fix the caption. Thanks for the correction. -Susanlesch 21:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo Caption

message: Thanks to Susanlesch for awarding me a voice recording barnstar on the occasion of Mpls reaching featured article status! I will be doing a new recording of the revised material very soon. I may also expand into a few section paragraphs but sadly I am not able to record everything because the file gets too big and the info changes too often in the lower sections. Please let me know if there is a specific request for the recording. Davumaya 19:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Davumaya, thank you again for recording this giantly long article. Your plans sounds excellent. I tried to move the lead around. Does anyone have suggestions before it is recorded again? -Susanlesch 18:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *O lol the lead changed a lot, gonna record now. Davumaya 20:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recording 

message: Can we have a section on that?  (not signed in)
Well,  we have an article on it..
i'm going to add the link..
 Megan :)  17:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't think the dab about the I-35W event is necessary at this time. What is the reasoning for it to remain? Davumaya 07:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bridge collapse 

message: So, let's see, someone thinks we ought to have a picture showing a minority demographic that carries no political messages?  I think the placards in that photo are quite representative of some of the issues gay-rights activist hope to draw attention to.  I believe anyone researching the issues would learn that the placards shown represent that slice of the population fairly well.  We have a lot of photos in this article; I think keeping one that represents 5-10% of our population is appropriate.--Appraiser 20:26, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the placards would appear to apply to the majority of the population. "Body image" affects everyone, as does health care. If it weren't for the caption it'd be hard to tell exactly what the parade was about. Overall, I think it illustrates that the city has diverse and political elements. But it doesn't hit the reader over the head with advocacy either. For those reasons I think it helps the article. If we start removing images because we think they promote various causes or businesses then we may have no illustrations left.   ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 20:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Also, the Health Care one is probably the one that person objects to, given the earlier comment about collectivism.  And health care coverage is at the forefront of gay-rights issues, since the inability to marry effectively limits insurance coverage that many heterosexual people take for granted.--Appraiser 20:51, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Are they a significant portion of Minneapolis' population?  They may or may not participate in the Pride Parade; I don't recall ever seeing them.  I think the existing photo is representative of that portion of the population, whereas I believe the Log Cabin Republicans would represent a MUCH smaller slice of the population. They DO have a WP article; I have no problem with its existence. --Appraiser 20:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone is going to be persuaded one way or another by that photo. It illustrates several dimensions of the city: namely the existence of parades, the existence of a gay community, the tolerance of the general community, and political activism. We're not promoting Target or US Bancorp by including photos of their buildings, nor are we promoting the Episcopalian Church by including a photo of one.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 21:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: much better answer.  Thanks.--Appraiser 21:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

text: *Hello, DavuMaya. If the caption or the photo bothers you, how about fixing the caption (a known error) or the photo? Best wishes. -Susanlesch 00:35, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The immigrants rights march picture is good too.  Thanks for adding it.--Appraiser 12:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jeg liker! .:DavuMaya:. 04:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: non-political queer public demonstration

message: I added a fact tag to the caption quoted above as uncited and possibly POV.  Daisey cutter 14:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Fixed, thanks. Anyone with a better source is of course welcome to change it. This one is pretty good and says: "At the same time that literary enthusiasts were enshrining the site, numerous entrepreneurs sought to tap the water power for milling and industrial use." Hope this helps. -Susanlesch 17:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *This one  indicates that the site wasn't really commercially viable.  So I find the word "rescued" to be quite a stretch.  Perhaps the discrepancy is due to different periods of time.  Susan, in your book by Daniel Nadenicek, is there any indication of the date that entrepreneurs were interested?  My source says that Godfrey abandoned the falls in 1871.  The state legislature made it a state park in 1889. I don't know much about Joe Brown or when he supposedly staked a claim.--Appraiser 17:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Roughly 1870s. The contemporary introduction by Nadenicek and Neckar to the Cleveland book (I am looking at it limitedly, in Amazon's reader) says in the previous sentence the falls was a "pilgrimage site by the 1870s" with thousands of visitors due to the poem. The comment I made in the edit history refers to attempts to make it a state park. I believe that failed. If you have a copy or you can get Google books to show those pages (sometimes they have a limited preview), Roy Willard Meyer's Everyone's Country Estate: A History of Minnesota's State Parks (Minnesota Historical Society Press, 1991) seemed to me most interested in that aspect (that it is a city not state park). AOK with me to change the caption by the way. -Susanlesch 18:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't remember reading anything in the history of Minneapolis or Minnesota saying that Minnehaha Falls was potentially going to be tapped for industrial development.  I'll make a note to check my books and other references, though.  --Elkman(Elkspeak) 18:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: *It seems very unlikely that Minnehaha Falls would ever have been seriously considered for an industrial site -- it's just not very suitable.  The location itself, with the deep gorge, would make development & transportation difficult, and the falls are quite variable, often stopping completely during dry times, or freezing over in winter: that is not desirable for an industrial waterpower site.  (And the variability was worse before the various dams & sluiceways were built along the creek & lakes.)T-bonham 00:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial development POV 

message: I think this article exemplifies what a great article should be, lots of good pics and facts.  We at the Miami project have a curse.  Miami is now, as of 2006, the 4th biggest metro in the U.S.  We're growing at 1 million people every 10 years.  Perhaps some of the people here could go talk to the Miami project people about how photos and fun facts really help an article.  I'm hoping to come visit Minn some day, I imagine EVERYONE has or will visit us!
I'm working on the Boca Raton, Florida article, and trying to build it to these standards...  Perhaps if you all came by and took a look, and left some comments on our talk pages.  We're both dealing with world city articles, and ours seems to be suffering from the fact that getting a picture in Miami is difficult, because photographing the city, and focusing away from the tourist photos draws really bad attention.  So, anyway, maybe this is a wierd thing to ask, but I just love this article so much, especially the bike rack photo!ReignMan 02:30, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Article

message: Hi. Over time a bunch of people have added two law firms in Minneapolis. I have reverted those additions. One editor for example called them "Top 100" firms. I looked up "Top 100" for Minneapolis and found this kind of rating for many different kinds of businesses. Can anyone think of a reason that these two law firms should be here? -Susanlesch 19:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *To give them free advertising of course.--Appraiser 21:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I peeked at their Wiki pages, looks like some very bored lawyers are advertising their own firm with Wikieditors flying off their seats. I guess if you have hundreds of lawyers, some are bound to find WP a fun diversion. The only reasoning I can think of is these two are prominent law firms in terms of the services they provide internationally but the only significance is that they were founded in Minneapolis and their headquarters are here (tho with globalization for the meanwhile). My fond memory of Dorsey is that they came into my Caribou when I was in college because the Dorsey Caribou's line was too long. What I think is important is what are the top 10 employers in Minneapolis (in terms of employed people) and then from there what are the top 5 grossing companies. Then what are the prominent industries and services overall in Mpls. .:DavuMaya:. 07:53, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a list of top private employers.  I suspect that the federal government, county, city, and school system would also be on that list if it included government entities.  Perhaps we should add an employment section.--Appraiser 13:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *Added apart from government. -Susanlesch 01:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good; thanks.--Appraiser 13:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Law firms

message: Hello. The text added yesterday about future stadiums is moved for now to cuts because it is unsourced and too long for here. Maybe someone familiar with the topic can use that to make a sourced version? -Susanlesch 03:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Future stadiums

message: I've been surfing other city websites (cuz I'm thinking of applying for jobs elsewhere) and I've noticed we sort of lack a "cityscape" or skyline section and a general n'hoods section. I know we mention each subject throughout the article but where then do these two sections go if they were to be fleshed out more? The infrastructure? The demos? Baltimore (which by no means is a good article) dedicates an entirely new section called Cityscape and combines all that sort of infrastructure/housing/architecture information into itself. Combine in a current section (and its additional page) or create a new section? Thoughts? .:DavuMaya:. 15:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add the section if you can find proper sourcing.--Loodog 15:04, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, we need neighborhoods?  I have a book; remind me if I don't get to it in two weeks.  -- SEWilco 05:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rawk, I know what book ur talking about so that would be helpful. It would help guide us how to talk about all the n'hoods as a whole which right now is a gargantuan mix of information in my head. I started some text in cuts. .:DavuMaya:. 22:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skyscape, architecture, n'hoods etc 

message: I think the current main picture is very nice, but its getting a bit old. Who agrees that we should find a new one?76.113.129.216 21:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is too old.  I don't recall construction newer than August 2007 which changes the view.  Maybe I'll go make a panoramic sequence, though.  -- SEWilco 05:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Depending on where you stand there are a few new buildings such as the Ivy hotel, renovations on the North Loop, some in the Mill District. I wouldn't mind evaluating new images for consideration but it's about quality and a new photo should be on par with the existing photo's capture of lighting and using a dramatic angle. .:DavuMaya:. 22:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll try to find a suitable railing to block the view.  -- SEWilco (talk) 03:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text:  Great. Nobody in this city exists anymore, as far as I know. I am here visiting from California and have yet to meet anyone who cannot find a couple exceptions. When I was a kid they bought Mad magazines, now they don't care and just can't drive a city bus, direct traffic, or even serve a cup of coffee without wanting more. That might explain my attraction to my boyfriend, come to think of it. Back when AOL was a town, his user page said, "Blessed are the easily pleased." His degree, in mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is worth more I think than one from that school today. -Susanlesch (talk) 12:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture or Pictures 

message: What a shame this talk page has descended into the social sciences. I myself always liked geography, at least back in seventh grade before I realized its effect on the field of realty also known as real estate. But I would prefer to leave the photos and resulting commentary in place. If nothing more to say thank you to Margaret, Suzzy and Terre Roche. I couldn't stay long but they sounded so nice. Oh yes, and thank you to Kim Jorgenson, who I was told once watched the Uptown Theatre from across the street at McDonald's. Not much to speak of in Minneapolis at the time, but I have heard that Diana Ross was a customer in Los Angeles. We actually did better than that but no telling when a train can deliver a movie can to Bob Dylan in Prior Lake, Minnesota. Good luck. -Susanlesch (talk) 23:12, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merry Christmas to you.--Jwwalker (talk) 23:30, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merry Christmas