Wikipedia talk:Wikipe-tan/Archive 2

message: The loli images are back, now on Commons. Any thoughts on how to handle this? They were deleted on our side because they were signed "Kasuga", but were obviously not done or uploaded by Kasuga. -- Ned Scott 09:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The people over at Talk:Lolicon will handle this. (or already are) _dk 09:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we keep them and be thankful, Lolicon has needed a good illustration for ages. If they need some sort of detailed explanation as to why they have weird source info, so be it. (We can't really blame outsiders for not understanding our image policies straight off.) --tjstrf talk 09:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as I hate giving Wikipe-tan this kind of image (the blatant whore kind), it a lot better than the previous lolicon image (no offense to the author of that image, but.. eh). If we can get the source and licensing info clarified then there shouldn't be any problems. -- Ned Scott 22:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the uploader is fairly clearly a throw away account for fairly obvious reasons.Geni 22:19, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be a problem, then. -- Ned Scott 22:26, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. Under the GFDL people are free to chose to be credited under whatever name they like.Geni 00:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryulong is getting the previous image license clarified. There is somehow a deletion debate going on at the Commons (which started off quite strangely). Anyways, now we have a confirmed author, source and license, I am dropping any issues I have for the image. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: To me, most of the other pics on this page are far more 'loli' than the deleted pic, nor do I see how it was creepy at all. *shrug* ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 11:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: My government does not like this. It's illegal. Not that I care, but still... - 2-16 16:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm in school, I don't want to get expelled and arrested for looking at Wikipedia :O - 2-16 12:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you're in luck, you won't be. Or would they expell you for looking at penis too? ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 12:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: They use remote-access and dig through browser history. - 2-16 16:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  loli 

message: There should be a Userbox for Users who like Wikipe-tan. If there is an I just did not find it scorry. Anubiz 13:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a general "This user likes anime box" that uses her image (IIRC). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Userbox

message: What the hell? Is this even legal in the United States?! - 2-16 16:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Drawn depictions are legal in the US. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 18:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: acutaly it isn't that simple and untill anouther court case turns up the situation is a bit uncertian. It would probably be illegal to publish in the UK although for the time being ownership is probably legal.Geni 00:02, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The very same one. _dk 01:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on the Wikipe-tan page, and on the Lolicon page.  There's a deletion discussion here: .  If I understand correctly, they are saying they only delete for copyright violations so arguments about the content aren't legit???  -Jmh123 01:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are but the images appear to pass Commons:Commons:Project scope.Geni 02:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is (or can be) used in other Wikipedias as well and Commons isn't the place to sort out legal issues between the different Wikipedias? Are any relevant trademarks (Wikipedia stuff) already released via the Commons as well? -Jmh123 08:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can ask the Foundation if trademark issues are still the main concern. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree. I'd say 8. The artist who drew it was asked to make her obviously pre-adolescent, and the folks at Lolicon were very happy with the result.  -Jmh123 16:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree.  Most 13 year olds are fully mature physically.  This one shows no signs of puberty at all.  The confident young woman who is pictured with the dread looking hair and the black suit is not labeled as older.  Even the bikini-wearing sex service gal is not labelled as older.  The intention of the Loli picture was for her to look like a young child.  She does.  Now her pose is older--yes--that is exactly the point--a very young girl acting precociously sexual.   -Jmh123 16:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I say it's a difference in drawing style. Let's not argue about one single adjective. _dk 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:LoliWikipetan.PNG]] 

message: WP:AN/I#User:Herostratus threatening disruption over image on Lolicon
My own thoughts, it seems several users are misunderstanding the legal issues of displaying the image (as in, none), but another issue, the concerns about the association of Wikipe-tan's (and Wikipedia's) image to this, might be something worth discussing. Thought it might be a good idea to start the discussion here, since.. it's pretty crazy over on AN/I right now, and the Commons deletion debate was closed early. -- Ned Scott 00:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: .....*shakes head in disbelief*.....How about asking Kasuga for an ambiguous image for the article? _dk 02:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The Japan article uses a different Wikipe-tan image drawn by Kasuga (Library of Babel) which probably would've have gone unnoticed, but now's not a good time to be suggesting a different Wikipe-tan for Lolicon, I don't think.  At any rate, the discussion of what image to use for the Lolicon article is going on at Lolicon Talk.  However, Ned Scott brings up an interesting topic of potential problems with the use of Wikipe-tan images in general.-Jmh123 03:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on the loli 

message: I've spent many a day on 4chan, 7chan, etc. I know what lolicon is, and that image is lolicon and I'm damn sure of it. The question at hand is whether we chould have such an image. This has mushroomed into a huge ordeal at WP:ANI, with an administrator going barzark. - 2-16 15:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The admin did not go bezerk--just said something strongly worded, which someone else prematurely took to the ANI.  So don't worry about that.  The debate is just that--this is a contentious issue, yes.  Clearly people feel strongly about this image, whether Wikipe-tan should be used in this way or not.  -Jmh123 17:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  If it were up to me, it would be deleted from this Wikipe-tan page.  -Jmh123 01:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You act as if it's some horrid thing for there to be such. It's not. The argument about "sexualizing kids" is irrelevent, as it's an image of her /older/, and it's only somewhat suggestive. The argument is almost aking to saying there should never EVER be a sexualalization of ANYONE because everyone was a kid once. Now, I do agree against putting on actual H-pics here (and they already exist, mind you), but seriously people seem to be looking at this pic as if it's some horrid crime against nature. It's not. It's just a little suggestive pic, that shouldn't be garnering even close to this much hostility. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 02:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Offtopic: There is wikipe-tan hentai? omgwtfbbq cannot compute *explodes* _dk 04:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is porn of everything. No exceptions. - 2-16 17:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We're not debating that it's lolicon 

message: On 2007 8 June, Wikipe-tan was recognized by Jimbo Wales as a community mascot. 
(Loliwikipetan was a lolicon version of wikipetan sensored in wikipedia)
Now if wikipetan is really a community mascot then why don't you add it here.If it's not a community mascot,then why loliwikipetan was deleted, we tolerate the other one with the lollipop in her mouth.--81.245.58.108 23:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have images of Wikipe-tan all over the page, so your first question makes no sense.  The LoliWikipe-tan was deleted because as a community mascot the lolicon image of her is not appropriate, and that is why she will not be added here. The second image, the one with the lollipop, is not Wikipe-tan, and therefore not an issue in relationship to Wikipe-tan. -Jmh123 23:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant add here the fact that she is the community mascot.She is the mascot of that and that wikiproject,but that's it.Now if she really isn't the community mascot then the deletion of loliwikipetan makes no sense.--81.245.58.108 23:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You would be better served taking that up with Jimmy Wales--however, it makes perfect sense to me.  Although she is not the official mascot, she still represents Wikipedia and she wears Wikipedia symbols.  I agree with Wales, but he's the one who made the final decision, and he da man, so it will serve no purpose to argue about it here.  This has been argued about all over Wikipedia for days.  I for one am sick of the whole thing. You don't make kiddie porn out of the mascot, unofficial or not. It's just not going to happen.  Arguing with about this any longer will serve no purpose.  Please, just let this go.  -Jmh123 00:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact you have a slightly entising image "kiddy porn" shows a real problem with the general mentality of a lot of people. It's pretty silly. When I first saw the image I thought nothing of it and never dreamed people would be so up in arms about it, much less call it something it isn't even close to (it doesn't even look lolicon to me, nor could it possibly at ALL be called 'porn' any more than a lingerie catalog). But whatever, I do agree with protecting the page because it's all getting rediculous. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 00:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They don't hang Bill Gates porn in the corporate headquarters of Microsoft. 17:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Bill Gates isn't moè. Nor was the image porn, but that probably doesn't matter seeing as it was actually removed due to various users opinion of lolicon in general rather than any actual justifiable reason. I mean, cmon, "kiddy porn"? Is Wikipedia really that unable to be NPOV about lolicon? You guys gonna pull a Livejournal on all us anonymous users out there that actually use this site as a reference? 71.142.244.226 13:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipetan community mascot 

message: I think that it might perhaps be a good idea to use Wikipe-tan as a model (as in, give her a career in modeling). She could be used to illustrate clothing articles.
Even if she is not to model nude, might she still be suitable for lingerie modeling (such as for the camiknickers article)?
:I very much hope you're talking about the older version, right? - 2-16 17:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a terrible idea, but some people might object to the use of an anime character instead of a real person modelling for clothing articles. In fact, many people might object in this fashion (no pun intended). It could work having her (the grown up/teenage version of her, not the child version) in articles modelling alongside human models. And yes, a male counterpart to Wikipe-tan might also be useful for this purpose.-h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 13:52, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If someone's going to take the time to make a drawing of some dude wearing a specific article of clothing, I think it's more appropriate to just take a PD or FL shot of some dude actually wearing it. A real picture is preferable in all cases to a drawing, even though the drawing takes longer, which is unfair but that's life. I think the drawings should be relegated to illustrations where a real picture is unfeasable or wouldn't work (anime, video game, etc.) - 2-16 16:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipe-tan as a model 

message: What's the policy on creating new versions of Wikipe-tan for use on Wikipedia?  An image for Portal:Evangelion has been requested, and I had thought that an image of Wikipe-tan wearing A10 clips would be good, but I have no idea who to ask about how to go about doing this. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some how I think Wikipe-tan in EVA-like suit (similar to Mecha Musume is better. L-Zwei 04:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea for the Portal page in and of itself.  What I was thinking about would be for the Portal link in the Eva-related articles, but if there's a pic of Wikipe-tan in a plug suit as well as with the clips, then a head shot of her could be the image in the link. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In a nutshell: You're free to use any of the images of Wikipe-tan that are on Wikipedia in just about any way you want. In return, you credit and link back to the images you used, and allow anyone else to use your image in the same way.  There are two licenses you can choose from, CC and GFDL, or you can choose both (which means that people wishing to reuse the image can also choose, for whatever technical reasons that may apply). Since all you have to do is link to any past images used, there's really no extra work needed to use both CC and GFDL. I'm sure there's a guideline or something around here that explains it in more detail.. I'll see what I can find unless someone else beats me to it. -- Ned Scott 05:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: You're also welcome to request a new image from Kasuga. No guarantees that you're request will be granted, but you never know. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since he was the original artist, I think I'll do that...I certainly don't have the artistic chops for the task. Thanks, everyone. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The official policy is the complete absence of policy. Wikipe-tan is unofficial. Go nuts so long as you stay within copyright. Of course the image should have a purpose... -- Cat chi? 19:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New designs for Wikipe-tan 

message: Wikipedia:The Zen of Wikipedia seems to be in need of a picture of Wikipe-tan meditating. Anybody care to fill the void? Thanks, Luc "Somethingorother" French 16:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comment directly above. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love the new meditating Wikipe-tan. TomTheHand 13:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random request 

message: Since all images of wikipe-tan are either in commons or should be in commons. Can we make it that this page displays no gallery (and the gallery be on commons)? -- Cat chi? 19:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think everyone would be big on that, since it would likely mean including :commons:Conservape-tan.png and the anti-Wikipe images by commons:User:Rursus (such as :commons:Image:Wikipe censure.png and :commons:Image:Manga hunting Rursus small.png. -- Ned Scott 22:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If and when Kasuga draws the plug suited Wikipe-tan image that I requested, that image will have to appear as fair use because of the copyright issues with the NGE-related imagery, and thus can't be placed in Commons space. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:26, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it's fair use, then it can't be used on our project space on en.wiki, either. -- Ned Scott 08:03, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Kasuga hasn't started drawing that image yet, I would suggest for him to stop, since there is no way we can host that kind of image on Wikipedia due to it being fair use. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why don't you go and tell him? (I myself don't know how to phrase such a suggestion.) _dk 08:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll find out a way. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I told him, giving him a few links to the relevant policies. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if he's up to it, it might be pretty cool for our off-wiki Wikipe-tan collections :) -- Ned Scott 08:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He does have a DeviantArt page, so he could always upload there, but I believe at least a pause now would at least save Kasuga the effort and us from a deletion debate to deal with. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for everyone's attention in this matter.  I've posted a reply on Kasuga's talk page regarding the issue with my suggestion, will my alternate suggestion be permissible? Willbyr (talk | contribs) 12:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons 

message: I've reverted the removal of the image of Wikipe-tan by the art snob IP.  The image in question IS extremely crude, but I don't believe that that in and of itself is a valid criteria for removal of the image; otherwise, I think it would've been removed already.  Anyone else?  Willbyr (talk | contribs) 20:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "If this edit was supposed to be made, it would've been made already" is a valid criteria for reversion ;-) Seriously though, I would support removal of the image, but I don't feel strongly about it. TomTheHand 20:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The IP has a point -- it really DOESN'T look anything like WP-tan. It could be pretty much any girl, crude drawing or not. I'm not going to take a stance one way or the other, other than to say I would support removal as well. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 21:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I am personally with the IP. I don't see a reason for that image to be there, it is a very crude Ms paint drawing, doesn't look a thing like the subject in question, and isn't Wikipe-tan a maid full stop anyways? Karrmann 21:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my assumption that the gray thingies on her head are supposed to be the puzzle pieces on her hair ties.  It's not a huge issue to me as to whether or not the image stays; I just tend to not take IP edits seriously, especially when they come off with a snarky attitude as these did.  Now that actual members have spoken their piece, since the majority opinion appears to be to cull it, I'm good. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 21:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Fact that our idol wear maid costume for most of time made the removed image somewhat pointless, IMO. L-Zwei 05:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest edits 

message: scroll down
Man, I really hope this guy's work would become popular as our Wikipe. L-Zwei 14:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She has too much competition within Uncyclopedia already.... It's gonna be a hard battle for her. _dk 16:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wah...right. While she's truly outstanding in English Uncyclopedia, the Japaneese offer some good design as well. Still, shall weput a link here? Especially since some notable reference to Wikipe-tan in those images. L-Zwei 07:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look like our idol has wild neighbor 

message: I don't know. I think she looks more like a college-aged woman. --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 00:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: o.O erm... -- Ned Scott 01:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Whatever the case, it's 'official' art from Kasuga, so...yeah. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ 01:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine to me, although I have to admit that when I checked my watchlist this morning and saw an entry for an "adult" Wikipe-tan, the first thing that went through my head was "Oh great, as if the lolicon one wasn't enough..." Willbyr (talk | contribs) 03:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, college-aged Wikipe-tan is still adult, right - past childhood? I actually think the post-pubescent, grown-up Wikipe-tan is useful for a number of purposes that the child Wikipe-tan isn't.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 12:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Adult" wikipe-tan 

message: See Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/Wikipe-tan full length. Just to notify the interested parties. Some (level-headed) input would be nice. Ehhh, there are better Wikipe-tan images now anyways._dk 11:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An outrage! Everyone please comment and assist our dear Wikipe-tan! -- Ned Scott 23:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We lost for quality reasons. --ÆAUSSIEevilÆ 01:57, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Full resolution of the image shows the problems. If granted permission by the author, a vector of Wikipe-tan can easily put down any quality issues. Fox816 05:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: See my talk page. He used the wrong wording, a purposely strong connotation to make the case even though the problem is rather very simple. If anyone can contact Kasuga for a full vector version then we can reinstate Wikipe-tan through another renom. Otherwise if they can't then I could possibly make one up when I have time. Fox816 20:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've reverted the closing. MER-C's response in the closure, and his response to Fox, have me very concerned about his judgement. An image that has been re-printed in print magazines being delisted for quality? Nitpicking at the aliasing issue clearly misses the point of the featured picture criteria (which has no direct comment on this kind of situation, other than the image must be of a high quality that is appropriate for re-printing) -- Ned Scott 20:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipe-tan image considered for delisting from Featured Picture

message: I feel that the afro wikipe-tans should be removed as they seem to be some kind of joke from 4chan. They are a reference to the racist 'pool's closed' (NSFW) meme (note the current wikichan logo).
Images in question:   
Additionally, see 'afro controversy' in this wikichan article (NSFW):
An art piece featuring Wikipe-tan wearing a suit, shades, and an afro was added to the gallery, with a caucasian and alternate black version. Fortunately, no one was keen enough to guess its meaning or delete it, and it remains there to this day. An edited version is seen on the WikiChan logo as a symbol of triumph. Really, you can add whatever the hell you want to the gallery. Go ahead.
How these pictures have been up for 5 months perplexes me. :( -- 219.90.222.86 13:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any problem with either image. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From reading some of their articles it appears that the wikichan website was meant to be a Uncyclopedia and focus on making a mockery of certain subjects though entirely remaining on focus of memes and the likes. However, I do have to agree that the images are of poor taste and should be taken out. As creative as the originator wanted to be with the image, it shouldn't be in Wikipe-tan's gallery. I'll remove the one that causes the most stir and leave the other so it can be debated on as I see that it can be somewhat salvaged. Fox816 16:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reversed your removal as there is no reason for removing the image. Anyone can nitpick at anything and take offense at it. However, they have to take offense. Neither of these images is intrinsically offensive. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I should also note that we couldn't care less about a controversy on another site. We have over 2.5 million articles to care about here, so why would we bother to take the time to address the concerns of another site? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Especially Wikichan (now that I've read more information about it). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That's just it: it hasn't been determined that it's best to remove the image. The only people who seem to have a problem with either of the "Afro" images are you and the anon IP posting here. As I already stated, the images themselves are not intrinsically offensive (unlike the previously removed lolicon image, which was just in plain bad taste in addition to being offensive), so I see no reason why either should be removed. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rather late response. If you're going by majority decision, then it's 2-1 in favor of ousting the image. Since there have been no other responses between the last response and this one then for now I'll leave it be. In the future, can all of you please post in chronological order. Fox816 (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a vote. If needs be, we can invite others to come here and express an opinion. Not sure what you mean by "please post in chronological order" as the comments in this section are in chronological order. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: If you observe your last post prior to the one above you posted below mine instead of the IP which doesn't follow the succession of responses, hence no chrono. Not a big deal but caused a slight confusion. Fox816 (talk) 19:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afro Wikipe-tan