Talk:Polish American Congress

message: I removed the unsupported claim that the Polish American Congress is "representing at least 10 million Americans of Polish descent and origin". 10 million is the most optimistic total number of all Americans who can trace any Polish ancestors within five generations - so even if all of them held membership in this organization (and its affiliates), that would still make it only at most 10 milion :-). In reality, the membership of this organization is limited to an older generation of activists and a small number of traditional ethnic businesses, which control the organization's agenda. Polish American Congress speaks only for itself and does not have any mechanisms to represent or even to gather opinions from the Polish American community at large.
Nadau 00:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2007 note

message: I have added some links into the PAC site, and added a direct link in the ELs to the History section.
Also added a flag for the lack of sources. I see many out there, but many are controversial and I am not going to try to pick among them, as I lack knowledge.  I light-heartedly hope the article is better now than it was before. If not, my apologies.  All the best! :)sinneed (talk) 01:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 January work and proposal to redirect the Eastern Mass division back to here. 

message: The Eastern Mass article has no information except its formation date... it had more (the sentence was a bit longer) before but it was all incorrect, referring to the national organization's size, founding date, etc., instead of the Eastern Mass information.  I was able to correct the formation date.  It does not seem to need a separate article.  I will put in a redirect if no one objects over the next few days.sinneed (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I suggest deleting this section. Anyhow, it is not "bigotry" that is at stake, but "chauvinism", if anything. FYI, Michal Preisler, its organizer and an Auschwitz survivor, is worthy of another separate article: read his obituary here and in English here. Zezen (talk) 20:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Bigotry Committee 

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message: In regards to diff - if we are to quote PAC funded studies about PAC or PAC district presidents writing about PAC - then stating the connection to PAC is required. Icewhiz (talk) 10:29, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The source here is an academic paper and the author is an academic. If the peer reviewers deemed the connection not problematic for a COI, neither should we. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The COI is clearly, and quite honestly, stated in Pienkos's article - in the first page. Journals can accept biased sources - and when they do - a relevant asterisk is usually very clearly displayed (as it is in the cited article). I would further generally question the independence of the Polish American Studies journal, which seems to be published by the Polish American Historical Association, from the Polish American Congress. One of the papers was read at the Polish National Catholic Church - which seems per the cited paper itself seems connected to PAC. Icewhiz (talk) 10:54, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can take it to WP:COIN if you like; as I said I don't see the need to attribute non-controversial statements like this beyond saying who said that. Being affiliated with PAC and talking about Polish-American sources is about as problematic as being affiliated with Yad Vashem and talking about Jewish history. If you think we should attribute each reference to Jewish topics for its writer or publication outlet association with YV, well... there's lot of attributing to do. Perhaps you should get started on it early? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:10, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  COIN is for editors - not for cited sources who clearly disclose their own COI. Your comparison above is obscene - there is no issue with Yad Vashem writing on Jewish history - and your suggestion we should mark "Jewish topics" in a special manner should be struck forthwith (and how, pray tell, is Jewish history even relevant to PAC?). Should Yad Vashem (or a person associated with Yad Vashem) make a flattering comment about Yad Vashem - then yes - that should be clearly attributed, along with the connection to Yad Vashem (and the same goes for any other organization). In this particular case - you are citing a paper funded by PAC (Pienkos) and in the second instance (Blejwas) - the author was the president of the Connecticut District of the Polish American Congress. Neither source can be considered independent of PAC - in both instance we have PAC patting itself on the back. Icewhiz (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then use RSN. We don't attribute affiliations of authors of scholarly sources unless we are dealing with extreme cases and this does not appear to be the one here. The YV example is perfectly valid here, outside some people's holy cows treatment. If you prefer instead, consider this: should a Wikipedia editor who writes a peer reviewed paper about Wikipedia disclose in his or her academic paper they are a Wikipedia editor? Anyway, for now I suggest that you do the uncontroversial and helpful thing, i.e. add information about PAC affiliation to the biographies of the two academics we cite. I've even created one of them, so you just have to add the sources you found about their affiliation to their articles. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:27, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  PAC talking about PAC