Talk:Timeline of Quebec history

message: I moved the page Timeline of Quebec History to Timeline of Quebec history using the move function. It worked just fine. Now, I am going to begin the breakdown of the timeline the way it is done on Timeline of United States history but keeping the current structure by political regime. If there are objections, it is not too late to stop me. Regards to all. -- Mathieugp 21:08, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you have misunderstood that; it doesn't mean "edited and reverted over a personal grudge, to the detriment of the encyclopedia as a whole." It means don't think of edits as being owned by you. Adam Bishop 22:05, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Wow, you've completely misunderstood why I apologized to you. I just wanted to start over, I was hoping you would realize you were wrong as well and would also want to start over. I see that I was wrong. Adam Bishop 16:10, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Some people would object to you making fun of the dead. -- Mathieugp 01:02, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: It was not renamed because McDonald's is an internationally know and successful trademark like Coke or Nike. That's what business logic dictates. -- Mathieugp 01:00, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Because they are idiotic kids trying to get attention? Because they are frustrated? -- Mathieugp 01:22, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeline of Quebec history

message: I have posted a proposed breakdown which follows the evolution of Quebec from the Beginnings of time to present. The current breakdown follows the geopolitical evolution of Quebec from New France until now for most of it. A new timeline division is made for every new constitutional change, including 1982 which will make Angelique happy. I have also intentionally broke down the long 1867 - 1960 period in two: (1867 - 1899)  and (1900-1960) to mark the beginning of the 20th century. 1960 is the beginning of modern Quebec era which we are still under and marked the end of the "grande noirceur" which peaked under Duplessis. Voila. All comments are welcomed. -- Mathieugp 01:00, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there doesn't need to be that many subdivisions...I'm not sure there's much need for any subdivisions at all. A lot of what is in this article already isn't encyclopedic anyway, it could really use some cleaning up. Adam Bishop 01:44, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do you say there is no need for that many subdivisions? My opinion is that the timeline will include many historical events for each year eventually, so I expect it will grow quite a lot over time. Each page of the subdivisions could be at least as long as the one we have right now, which is a mess. I thought that we wanted to do the short concise article in History of Quebec? -- Mathieugp 01:55, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the shorter one could be at History of Quebec...it just seems that there are a lot of things in the Timeline that aren't really necessary (just from looking at the end, is it necessary to mention everytime there is a poll?). As for the subdivisions, I know they go by important events, but 1774-1791, for example, is only 17 years. I think it may make more sense to put, say, 1760-1867 all in one article. Adam Bishop 02:48, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. If you gather the support of the majority with your proposal, I will obey democracy and we can break it down into longer segments. I still think it would be better to prepare for later when there are more events added to the timeline. If you look at Timeline of Canadian history, they have a link for every year on there. Some events don't belong in a historical timeline like the year my mother was born or the day you first laced your shoes. I think we can have other Timeline of Quebec something for special things. For example, there is a Timeline of United States diplomatic history. There could be a Timeline of Quebec anti-semitic history and Timeline of Quebec terrorist history for Angelique. ;-) More seriously, we can add lists of all kinds and election results or polls in other articles because there are important I think. -- Mathieugp 03:04, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see, you want to do it like the "years in Canada" articles...well, in that case, why not just add the Quebec events to those? Adam Bishop 03:07, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  The key events that are also relevent to Canada (the federation) can be included there for sure. However, the Timeline of Canadian history begins in the 1860s and it focuses on what is important to the majority of Canadians. If there were a Timeline of North American history, all the events occuring in Canada would get lost in the mass of American events and it would be difficult to perceive the reality of Canadians as a people. In the same way, craming events that occured in Quebec inside a timeline for all of Canada will not be very useful to understanding Quebec history. It is just a question of focus. For example, a Timeline of Ontario history would reveal facts that are lost in the big picture of the history of all provinces put together. Does that make sense? -- Mathieugp 04:08, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: I would put Ontario events there too; there's no reason you can't add more dates to the Timeline of Canadian history, it's only arbitrarily at 1860 at the moment anyway :) On an article for, say, 1890, it could be subdivided further into events for all the provinces. I think that would be more useful than having 13 different timelines plus the Canadian one. We should probably also ask the creators of the Timeline of Canadian history what they think of this. Adam Bishop 04:10, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. I still want to working on the Timeline of Quebec history. The Timeline of United States history does not have a breakdown of all 50 States. Each State entered the union at a different moment (except for the first 13 ones I guess.) and they all have their own story to tell. It is the same for the Canadian federation and knowing the pride of Newfies, Albertans and British Columbians for their home province, I am sure they will want to tell their own history as they learned it from their different history programs. I think there can be 13 different timelines linking to each other and sharing common events. -- Mathieugp 04:48, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: I found an excellent online source on Quebec history I'd like to share: http://fc.lbpsb.qc.ca/~history/mod1u.htm. It is all the modules of the history of Quebec and Canada as taught in Quebec high schools (francophone and anglophone). This is as neutral as it gets. -- Mathieugp 01:55, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: The education program is written by the same devoted professionals at the Ministry of education as anywhere else in the world. The Ministry of education was created in 1968. The PQ was elected in 1977. Currently, the elected government of the National Assembly is not the PQ and they will not touch the education program to write what Angelique wants to see in it. This history program is the most unbiased in all of Canada precisely because it is made for both anglophones and francophones who would not accept that the other side pushes its own point of view.
I removed from the year 1572: "This event is pointed to today to explain why the French voted full religious freedoms for all in 1789 with the [Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen]." -- This is irrelevant and meaningless to the date in question and in 1789, irrelevant and meaningless to the British controlled Quebec history. Too, this so-called Declaration (oops there was a 10:00 a.m. trial followed by a 10:30 guillotine) was meaningless and the article needs proper explanation.  Angelique 14:02, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: You cannot be serious. Read French revolution and learn the importance of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen for all of Humanity. You hatred of all that is not English is beyond me. -- Mathieugp 14:44, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: Find 1572 as an important date in the history of any Canadian province just for fun. That year is not relevant unless you are trying to push a POV where all Catholics and French are criminals and the British Empire is responsible for all major advances of Humanity. -- Mathieugp 14:44, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: J'ai de la difficulté à croire que tu puisses être de nationalité française. Citoyenneté française? C'est possible. On peut devenir citoyen d'un nouveau pays et choisir de ne pas s'intégrer à la culture de celui-ci pour un ensemble de raisons valables, par exemple si l'on est réfugié. Ceci dit, il est normal de faire le contraire, de vouloir être (ou devenir) français en habitant la France. Je doute que cela soit ton cas. Tu sembles être loin d'avoir le jugement et l'esprit critique d'une européenne. La Révolution française est un point tournant dans l'histoire de toute l'humanité, tout comme la déclaration d'indépendance américaine. Tous les humains, et particulièrement ceux de nationalité française, peuvent êtres fiers des progrès que nous avons accomplis depuis cette époque. Je pense aussi que tu emploies les mots "bigoted" et "racist" sans vraiment connaître le véritable sens de ces mots et surtout l'origine des sentiments qu'ils expriment : l'intolérance face aux autres et l'irrespect de la différence. Jusqu'à présent, la seule personne qui ait fait l'ample démonstration de ces deux grands défauts de la personne humaine, de l'avis de 3 personnes sur 4 au moins, ce n'est pas moi, c'est toi. La maîtrise du langage ne semble pas être ta plus grande force ma pauvre amie. -- Mathieugp 17:35, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: I think you are trying to get me angry and insult you to boot me out of wikipedia. Good try Angelique. -- Mathieugp 17:35, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Je suis en accord avec toi, Mathieu...perhaps she is pulling our legs (but I don't know how to say that in French :)) Adam Bishop 19:15, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: I've now merged the history of these two pages, so it looks as though the History of Quebec page was moved in the first place, rather than cut and pasted and Timeline of Quebec History now has the complete editing history in it. Angela. 00:02, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Breakdown

message: Well, I guess we won't see DW/Angelique until he/she reappears under a new user name... -- Mathieugp 05:06, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Hardbanned DW was Angelique

message: I merged Beginnings to 1000 with 1001 to 1533. I also added navigation menus at the top of each page. I only did my best to clean up. I was thinking we should put 1950s type subheadings as on Timeline of United States history. What do you guys think of it? -- Mathieugp 05:06, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Implemented Subdivisions