Talk:List of Virtual Console games for Wii (North America)/Archive 5

message: Usually, when a game appears on the servers (which Tecmo Bowl did) the game comes out in the shop about 1-4 weeks. It has happened with Link To The Past, Super Mario World, Contra III, Kirby's Adventure, Elevator Action and other games. So should a March 2007 release date be put as Tecmo Bowl's? WikiLoco 03:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what feels the like millionth time this has been asked: NO. Unless Nintendo or some other official source (i.e. the developer/publisher) announced it, it's not official and just a guess. TJ Spyke 04:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The problem is the exception - Excitebike.  It appeared on the server in mid-Feb and still hasn't gotten released. Because of that, we can't take the gamble --Bishop2 13:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right. Unless it comes from some official source; be it Nintendo, Hudson, or Sega, we cant post any release date. Machinehead09 21:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  HAHAHA! Nintendo did that just to mess with our minds and to try to disrupt the accuracy of the server checking! Anyway, I agree that, although it's very fun to try to find the games popping up on the servers, we shouldn't take that as proof of upcoming release, only as eventually. Or something like that. Clever Nintendo.. :) Lamename3000 10:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...and with that, Tecmo Bowl is available in the VC store.  --PeanutCheeseBar 13:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still not reliable though. The only thing it tells us is that it will be available soon. But it seems like it's within a 4 week period. Neo Samus 14:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Has it been 4 weeks yet for Exitebike?  Because that game has been on the server FOREVER now. Maybe next week is the 4-week mark, I'm not sure. --Bishop2 15:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excitebike appeared on the servers February 12, and has missed all four of the following Mondays so far. -Arcanelore 16:19, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, make it 1-5 weeks then. But the conclusion can officially be drawn. Anytime a game shows up on the servers, it shows up on the shop in a few weeks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiLoco (talk • contribs) 20:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are of course assuming that Excitebike will actually show up next week. There's still no official release date.  The longer it sits there, the more we have reason to doubt. --Bishop2 21:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Splatterhouse was also added to the servers last week. Bishop is right, just appearing on the VC doesn't mean anything other than it will eventually be added to the VC. TJ Spyke 00:40, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This coming Monday March 19, 2007 will mark the fourth Monday that Excitebike has been on the server but not available to purchase.  I have a gut feeling it will finally see release this coming Monday.  Neo Samus 18:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have to wait until it is official. It's fun to hunt down what's on the server, and I hope that it DOES come out on Monday, but we have to wait until it is official. Lamename3000 00:30, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I know.  I was just stating my opinion. By the way how do you look through the server to find the images?  Neo Samus 22:15, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/1879/wii_hack_to_view_wii_shop TJ Spyke 22:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry I meant how do you find the images.  I know how to view the Wii shop channel from firefox.  but how do people like arcanelore locate the images? By hacking? That was what I ment to say. I should have been more specific with my question.  Neo Samus 15:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See those last 3 numbers in the URL of the links? Those are the pictures. 001 is the title screen, 002 is the first pic and 003 is the third pic. Once you find the game, the pics are easy. Maybe he can explain in more detail if you need it. BTW, Excitebike is FINALLY up (along with Splatterhouse and Beyond Oasis). TJ Spyke 16:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here are a couple of previous discussions on this: 1 2. -Arcanelore 19:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tecmo Bowl to appear this month? 

message: This article would be much more useful for browsing purposes if it had player numbers and controller requirements too, since they vary from game to game and have a major effect on the desire to purchase a game. This is the most complete or accurate VC list I've seen, so it'd be nice if it was a little more functional. Bradofarrell 12:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Player numbers is covered in the individual games articles, and the controller compatibility is in the main Virtual Console article. TJ Spyke 12:26, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing information 

message: I know they are ESRB rated and they were taken off in minutes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:46, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had read the various warnings on the page, you would know that you have to provide a source. Also, games like Beetle Adventure Racing just say "Nintendo", not "Wii" for their platform (all other VC games say "Wii"). TJ Spyke 02:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neutopia was confirmed by IGN. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The games need to be confirmed by either the companys publisher or the ESRB (or found on the VC servers). Neutopia has not been announced by Hudson Soft and isn't on the ESRB site (maybe someone familiar with doing so can check the VC servers). TJ Spyke 02:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by VC servers?  The actual Wii Shop?  Also, why would the games be "confirmed" on IGN if they weren't really coming out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dartheyegouger (talk • contribs) 02:55, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:List of Virtual Console games (North America)#The Wii Shop Server Screenshot Topic. About IGN, the first reason that comes to mind is that the people at NeoGAF made up a fake press release announcing that Konami would release "Metal Gear Triology" for the Xbox 360 (they misspelled it on purpose). Not only did IGN print the press release, but they even made a game entry in their database for "Metal Gear Triology", only to remove it after a few hours when they found out it was a hoax. BTW, sign your posts. TJ Spyke 03:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why were my changes deleted?

message: I notice someone's added Beetle Adventure Racing and Aerofighters Assault back to the article, presumably based on the fact they're listed at the ESRB for the "Nintendo" platform. Now, it seems many believe that this "Nintendo" category is a list of games re-rated for the Virtual Console, given the non-specific "Nintendo" heading and the fact that it contains a mix of NES, SNES, and N64 titles.
I, however, believe it is merely a collection of first-release ratings that have been erroneously lumped together instead of going into the correct "Super Nintendo" and "Nintendo 64" categories, and as such all such games should be removed from the article unless some more definitive source arises. And even if I can't convince anyone that this category is a mere error, I believe I can at least throw enough doubt on it to justify the removals.
Before I bore everybody with a detailed breakdown of how the likes of Super Mario Bros and Dr. Mario could possibly have ESRB ratings without the VC, I'd just like to point out Beetle Adventure Racing and Mario Party for "Nintendo" being rated... in 1999. Surely VC titles weren't being rated before the Gamecube was even off the drawing board? (And other games on that page are correctly listed as being "Nintendo 64" games.)
Now that we've shown the "Nintendo" category predates the VC by several years, we now turn to the issue of whether the ratings given could be from the games' original releases. The 30-odd "Nintendo" titles basically fall into the following categories:
Misplaced N64 Titles: As the N64 came out after the inception of the ESRB, obviously all N64 titles should have ESRB ratings.
Misplaced SNES Releases (DKC, Hagane, Tin Star, Uniracers, Frogger, etc.): Any game released very late in 1994 or later should have gotten an ESRB rating, and none of the SNES titles in the "Nintendo" category seem to be pre-ESRB releases. Well, except for:
Misplaced SNES Player's Choice Re-releases (Super Mario World, Super Mario Kart): Late in the SNES's life cycle Nintendo reissued several games under the Player's Choice label. These would have required ESRB ratings. (The Wiki article helpfully shows us a SMW box with an ESRB rating.) Also note Super Mario All-Stars and Tetris & Dr. Mario on that list.
Apparent NES titles: Surely these couldn't have been rated before the VC? Well, not so fast. Wario's Woods was released very late in 1994 (December IIRC, but I'd have to check), and in fact became the only NES title to get an ESRB rating during the system's lifespan. And the rest? I submit that they're not referring to the NES versions at all; as I mentioned above, All-Stars and Tetris & Dr. Mario would have been rated.
But, you say, the ESRB doesn't individually rate games on compilations! It's true that they don't do that today, but there is at least one other instance of this happening early in the ESRB's career: check the Super Nintendo section for three separate Ninja Gaiden (Trilogy) listings.
Admittedly there are a few holes in this theory, but nothing major:
Super Punch-Out! - This isn't listed in the Wiki article as being a Player's Choice title, and its original release was too early to have been rated. However, a quick eBay check brings up a mix of carts both with and without an ESRB rating... did this get some sort of post-ESRB reissue?
Where are Tetris and Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA)? Good question. But missing titles are hardly surprising; the original N64 versions of Mario Kart 64 and Star Fox 64 aren't listed. Neither is Motoroader, a recent VC release.
Why is SMB2J not listed as "The Lost Levels"? Well, you've finally got me there.
As a final aside, three games from this "Nintendo" category have in fact seen VC releases: Wario's Woods, Super Mario World, and Donkey Kong Country. However, soon after the ESRB spawned duplicate "Wii" listings for SMW and WW, and tacked "Wii" onto an already existing dupe entry for the GBA version of DKC. These examples don't seem to vindicate the "Nintendo" category being for VC releases. 
And now I'll finally shut up. -Arcanelore 03:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I lied. Dr. Mario for "Nintendo", released on 8/25/1996, rated in 2004. -Arcanelore 04:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That Dr. Mario one is odd. The only Mario related games released in August 1996 was Tetris Attack for the Super NES/Game Boy. TJ Spyke 04:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It'd be around the right time (give or take a year) for the Player's Choice re-release of Tetris & Dr. Mario, but I can't find an exact release date for that. -Arcanelore 04:32, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, the Player's Choice version of Tetris & Dr. Mario came out in November 1998 (the PC versions of Super Mario Kart and Super Mario All-Stars were released the previous month). TJ Spyke 06:59, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. Well, I have no idea what they were on about then. -Arcanelore 16:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: A couple of updates. First, the original Super Mario Bros. is another example of a "Nintendo" game getting a VC release. And like DKC, the ESRB just tacked "Wii" onto an existing duplicate GBA entry shortly thereafter. Second, I found Tetris and SMB2US... they're in the Super Nintendo section. -Arcanelore 16:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ESRB's "Nintendo" Category, Once and For All. 

message: I noticed dr mario being removed from NA VC to be released list.  Is there a source for that or is it an error? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.75.251.212 (talk) 16:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the above section. TJ Spyke 16:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Mario 

message: I find it funny that Excitebike was on the Virtual Console servers for a month, and now when it is released, it is not labeled as new.
Maybe the internal guts of the channel know that it has been there for so long, and so it auto removes the label after a certain number of weeks.. Anyone know the exact amount of time before a game's new label is removed? Lamename3000 20:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was likely just a mistake, this has happened before (a game is released but not in the new section). It will likely be fixed soon. TJ Spyke 23:05, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Darn, and I thought I was being clever... :( ... :) Lamename3000 01:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, It's still not labeled as new (way to go, Nintendo) and they are only releasing 1 VC game this week? What the heck!??!?Lamename3000 14:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only one title was released the week of The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. This isn't a first. Though at least ALttP was a bit more famous of a game...66.67.9.170 17:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It happened again today with Gradius III. -Arcanelore 20:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but I looked and looked and couldn't find it anywhere, even when not labeled new.. Weird... maybe they took it down while I was looking...Lamename3000 00:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The way the Shop Channel works? 

message: is this game only listed in the upcoming games because it was given the ambiguous "nintendo" rating on the esrb site, or is there another source for it? i would love to see this game come out on VC, so i'm going to have to kick the teeth in of the person who added that to the list if it never comes out. Pandapatrol 14:45, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's listed at the ESRB, with an unambiguous "Wii" listing. -Arcanelore 17:37, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  zombies ate my neighbors 

message: This doesnt appear to have any source. Is this vandalism or is it actualy confirmed to be coming out? Mattyatty 18:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These were originally from IGN, which in turn sourced them to the ESRB around fall of last year, before the Wii's release. --Bishop2 19:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super mario RPG source 

message: I don't quite feel that the word "The" should be used in putting games like The Legend of Zelda with other "the" games. So, how about "Legend of Zelda, The" for such games? For colons, "Legend of Zelda, The: Ocarina of Time." How about that?
All SMiles 13:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this.  This would be an intelligent move. --Bishop2 13:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually did this a while back, and someone changed it back. -Arcanelore 16:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I strongly disagree in this case, as if you look in the Wii Shop Channel the games with 'The' at the front are listed alphabetically in the T's. I feel that this should not be changed to be consistent with the actual Wii Shop Channel. Zomic_13 16:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, this isn't meant to list games in the order they appear on Wii Shop Channel, or you would be able to change this list to sort by recent releases and such. The Wii's website already has all the Virtual Console games listed in that order, and this is meant to be an online encyclopedia of the North American Virtual Console titles. It is not proper in an encylopedia to alphabetize starting with the articles, such as "a", "an", and "the".66.67.9.170 17:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All Smiles, what are talking about? The only Zelda game that has come out on the same day as other games on the same system is the first Zelda game, and it is the second game listed (so is listed under L). The other two Zelda games are also in the correct spot since we list games in the order they came out. "The Legend of Zelda" is correct, "Legend of Zelda, The" is just odd. TJ Spyke 20:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On this old version, the default sort is fine. The problem arises when one elects to sort by title, at which point "The Legend of Kage" and "The Legend of Zelda" get thrown into the T's. For the moment I've gone ahead used a similar trick to the one we use for the date column to sort this correctly while still reading "The Legend of Zelda". -Arcanelore 21:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job. TJ Spyke 21:44, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Organization 

message: What games were released on April 2, 2007? Smash Attack 14:28, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing yet, because games are released at 12 p.m. ET/9 a.m. PT, which is still 90 minutes away.  However, GoNintendo is reporting it will be Star Fox 64, TMNT for NES and Dragon Curse for TG-16.  Nintendo's press site, on the other hand, contains no confirmation.--Bishop2 14:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All those titles have been confirmed and are now avaiable.  Neo Samus 15:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Why is TMNT 600 points? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 15:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good question, to which I would like to know the answer to. Maybe Konami made Nintendo raise the price to try to get an extra $1 out of each person who downloads it. Because really, who's going to not get if they WERE, and it's a dollar extra (Besides me)? Also the upcoming movie may play a factor. Lamename3000 16:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The movie isn't really "upcoming" any more, since it's been out in theaters for two weeks now. :) I think the answer is likely due to Konami's license rights.  They probably wanted extra cash to help fund paying for the TMNT license again. It's unclear whether they paid UbiSoft for the rights to put out their old games (since UbiSoft is now making the games based on the movie) or if they still had the rights to the television cartoons and just had to pay for THAT, but the fact remains that it's still a license. --Bishop2 18:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. You're right... I wasn't really following the movie, so I assumed it was still upcoming.. Lamename3000 07:08, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: My best guess is that it has to do with the license. I don't think Konami has the TMNT license anymore and to have it on the VC they have to pay Ubisoft royalites per each download. Neo Samus 19:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, Konami has the license for the anime/cartoon and Ubisoft has the license for the movie. TJ Spyke 21:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One way or the other, Konami has to pay royalties to Mirage... I believe this is the first licensed game to appear on the VC, at least in North America (correct me if I'm wrong). Djister 00:30, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What Games

message: I listen to a lot of podcasts and there's always a question like "will this game go on virtaul console" or so forth.  Usually the Game Editors or whomever say, "It depends on who owns the licences to that game."  THIS IS NOT A LIST OF UPCOMING VC GAMES, this is a list of unusal games (I think so) that nintendo has the the rights to.  The source is www.nintendo.com/doc/n64_games.pdf
Banjo-Kazooie • Nintendo • June 1998 
Banjo Tooie • Nintendo • November 2000 
Blast Corps. • Nintendo • March 1997 
Command and Conquer • Nintendo • June 1999  
Conker's Bad Fur Day • Nintendo • March 2001 
Jet Force Gemini • Nintendo • October 1999 
Ken Griffey Jr's Slugfest • Nintendo • May 1999 
Killer Instinct Gold • Nintendo • November 1996 
Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards • Nintendo • June 2000 
Perfect Dark • Nintendo • May 2000 
PilotWings 64 • Nintendo • September 1996 
The New Tetris • Nintendo • July 1999 
StarCraft • Nintendo • June 2000 
Conker's Bad Fur Day • Nintendo • March 2001  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 
:Wrong, that is a list of who had the license at the time they were published. Command & Conquer belongs to EA, Ken Griffey belongs ton Nintendo (but they would have to license his name/likeness again), Kirby belongs to Nintendo, Pilotwings belongs to Nintendo, Tetris belongs to The Tetris Company, Starcraft belongs to Blizzard (technically Vivendi Games since they own Blizzard), and the rest belong to Rare (technically Microsoft). TJ Spyke 22:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So your saying at that date in time Nintendo had the rights, because if you look at the whole list, and your saying at that time, Nintendo didn't own the rights to a lot of games on that list.  I understand Rare made a handful of those games, and everyone knows Starcraft is Blizzard.  I'm just confused I guess because if your saying that they we're owned by Nintendo at that time, then why arn't all the games on the list say Nintendo by them? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Draggingalake (talk • contribs) 23:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By license, I mean published. Nintendo published or distributed those games. Even if Nintendo wanted to put a game on the VC, they need the permission of the IP holder (for example, they would have to get permission from The Tetris Company in order to put any Tetris game on). TJ Spyke 23:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo has licences to a lot of games. 

message: A while ago, this game was listed as a future release for the VC. Now, I don't see it. Any particular reason why? TanookiMario257 00:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was decided that all games that only have "Nintendo" listed as their platform won't be included since there is no way to tell if they will be on the VC or not. If/when the game gets a "Wii" listing (like all the other VC games have), it will be added again. TJ Spyke 00:49, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels 

message: IGN has those two games, as well as Kirby Super Star and Kirby's Dreamland 3 listed here as E. Also, I can't find Ghouls 'n Ghosts and Metroid anywhere on the ESRB Database. Could someone provide me with a source for it or remove it promptly? 60.226.175.68 05:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems the ESRB Delete Faerie has been busy again. Ah well, best I can do is a screen of Ghouls 'n Ghosts up as of a month ago. -Arcanelore 06:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough... Was this added before, or after Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts was added? Got a nice little screen of Metroid being on there as well? 60.226.175.68 06:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After; right about the time SGnG was actually released. I don't have a screen of Metroid. I only started taking screenshots upon new games being listed after I noticed SMRPG was removed (and a ton of other games went with it: all the Kirby titles except Adventure, Super Metroid, Duck Hunt... can't recall if Metroid survived that particular purge or not.) -Arcanelore 06:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: M'alright. Uhhh... Could you change the rating on SMRPG and Super Metroid? I should really get an account one of these days... 60.226.175.68 07:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario RPG and Super Metroid are rated E 

message: Why is Ninja Turtles priced at 600 points when it's an NES game? 67.188.172.165 22:48, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only Nintendo knows for sure, anything else is speculation. TJ Spyke 23:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ninja Turtles price

message: Bonk's Revenge, we already know is coming on Monday. Punch-Out!! or VF2, anyone? BTW, is it time to try another vote on using the current or original publisher in place of the developer? -Cheesemeister3k 06:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Random Prediction

message: Castlevania link points to the series, not the individual game. 69.212.51.216 16:28, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been fixed. IMO though, the article on the series should be at "Castlevania (series)" and the first game in the series at "Castlevania". TJ Spyke 20:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Castlevania entry. 

message: I see Duck Hunt, Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman on the upcoming list. Can someone fill me in on the Wii remote's ability to emulate light gun (Zapper) games? (I haven't tried Wii Play.) This is probably the first instance of a VC game not strictly adhering to the original control mechanism. Thanks Tehw1k1 05:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't know since no details have been announced. The only reason we even know about them are because they have been rated on the ESRB website. TJ Spyke 06:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light gun games 

message: Its been like this for a while now... I was thinking someone would notice it and fix it... So, could somone fix up Toejam & Earl in Panic on Funkatron as 2007, please? Thanks. 121.208.168.18 10:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't T&E2 also be listed as 2007? 

message: Ok, someone put that nasty tubgirl pic.  But I clicked hide and it's not there anymore for me.  Can or did anyone else see it?  Neo Samus 13:43, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw it - it was on every "edit" page throughout Wiki for 2 minutes or so there. Seems to thankfully be gone. --Bishop2 13:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Apparently an admin account got hacked. See here. -Arcanelore 17:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What in the world???