Talk:Komotini

message: Two assertions have been raised repeatedly in revert summaries which I believe ought to be addressed here on the talkpage: first that Gümülcine is a foreign name and second that the Greek government recognizes only a Muslim not a Turkish minority. The first concern may be easily dismissed: Turkish is the native language of 50% of the inhabitants of the city, and these inhabitants refer to the place as Gümülcine. I have added a reliable source for this information published by a scholar working at Oxford University.
The second objection, that mention of a Turkish minority in Komotini is inappropriate as the Greek government recognizes only a Muslim minority, cuts to the very heart of the encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia. While it is true that the Greek government recognizes no specifically Turkish minority, objective external sources may be adduced which state that the Muslim residents of Komotini are in fact Turkish. Wikipedia is not required to respect the onomastic preference of Greece in this matter. Wikipedia's role as an encyclopedia is to describe the ethnic and linguistic composition of the city from a neutral point of view using reliable and verifiable sources. The sourced information I have added is a step toward fulfilling our goal of providing neutral, verifiable information.
I have also added a statement about the city's "Turkish-speaking minority" to the lead (diff). Komotini's primary notability for those who are neither Greek nor Turkish is the very presence of this minority in an otherwise ethnically homogenous country. Aramgar (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish minority

message: For the Ottoman monuments of Komotini, including the 16th century Yeni Camii which possesses Iznik tile decoration of the finest period, see Machiel Kiel, "Observations on the History of Northern Greece during the Turkish Rule: Historical and Architectural Description of the Turkish Monuments of Komotini and Serres, their place in the Development of Ottoman Turkish Architecture and their Present Condition" Balkan Studies 12 (Thessaloniki, 1971), pp. 415-444. Aramgar (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good point... But Where is the mosque in the main article? I am confused. --Eae1983 (talk) 08:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are several architecturally significant Islamic buildings in Komotini. I am assembling resources on the Byzantine and Ottoman history of the place and will add material soon. Regards, Aramgar (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Aramgar, this will only help to improve the quality of the article. Cheers! --Eae1983 (talk) 23:25, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey Aramgar, I prepared some ground for your work, by finally adding the Ottoman Era that was missing until now --Eae1983 (talk) 23:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ottoman monuments of Komotini

message: Let me know if anyone objects to the month of semi-protection. There is a small problem with a blocked user who keeps creating new IPs to evade his block. EdJohnston (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems all fine for now. Cheers! --Eae1983 (talk) 22:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: * 21:23, 18 April 2008 Future Perfect at Sunrise protected Komotini ‎ (edit warring [edit=sysop:move=sysop] (expires 21:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Semiprotection review

message: There is an old discusion about the turkish name of Komotini but there is running an edit-war.. Ggia (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit war for turkish name of Komotini 

message: Hello. My name is Moti and I'm an editor mostly on the Hebrew Wikipedia. There is an inaccuracy in the data regarding WW2. Researches by Prof. Michael Bar-Zohar and also Yad Vashem institute, thoroughly examining Bulgarian Archives, and other records have states as follows: On March the 4th 1943 after midnight Bulgarian police had arrested 863 Jews from Komotini. They were rounded up in a deserted tobacco warehouse, called the Chelborov building. On March the 5th at 02:30 the were put on a Freight rail transport to the town Simitli in Bulgaria and from there to Dupnitsa. About 20 of them were Released because the were foreign subjects mostly Turks, Spaniens and Italians. The rest were deported on March the 19th by Ferries on the Danube from Lom in bulgaria to Vienna, then on Freight rail transport to Katowice, poland and from there to Treblinka extermination camp. Most of them were murdered on the day they arrived. Only 8 survived.--Assayas (talk) 16:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Jewish community 

message: The figure referenced for muslims in the city is 45% and belongs to the leftist writer from Cyprus Olga Demteriou - she came up with this figure in 2002 for her thesis...
Luckily a long overdue official census was conducted of the city in 2011 - Turkish Muslims comprise 40% of the total population of 
55,812 (2011 census). So therefore I am correcting the population for the city and muslim minority figure.  http://urbact.eu/fileadmin/Projects/RE_Block/outputs_media/ReBlock_baseline_study_121031.pdf
Reaper7 (talk) 20:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing municipality population & muslim population according to 2011 census 

message: North Rhine-Westphalia population is 32% Turkish speaking, should we add it's Turkish name "Kuzey Ren-Vestfalya" in lead?? If that had been the case, it might have been relevant there. The reality is that 6.0% of the population of North Rhine-Westphalia are Turks, and (being a immigrant community now in the third generation) we do not even know how many speak Turkish as their first language. (The 32% number refers to the part of Turks in Germany living in NR-W, which is something completely different.) More to the point is that the Welsh name is given for Cardiff, the Basque name (and the French) for San Sebastián, the Sami and the Kven name for Tromsø, the Greek name (and even the Turkish and Italian, which probably is stretching it too far) for Sarandë, the Pomak name for Echinos etc. etc. We can only guess at the percentages of most of then, but the main thing is that these names have been and are today used by a significant part of the population. This follows the guidelines in WP:NAME:CITY.
rm from lead, listed in History section. It is stated in the History section that Gümülcine was the name used in Ottoman times. That info belongs there, as does also the Bulgarian name (or both in a new section about Names with the etymology added). But it does not say that Gümülcine is a name used today. That information belongs in the lead (but the Bulgarian name does not).
I have earlier removed several "alternative", but irrelevant names from the lead of other articles (Turkish from Echinos, Turkish and Italian from some Dodecanese islands, Bulgarian from Komotini), but I have also defended the use of some names when they are relevant according to WP rules. This is one such case. Regards! --T*U (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The alternative name appears to be absent in English literature, at least it receives less than 10% hits. However, a mention in the correspondent section is a good idea (either in history or in name section).Alexikoua (talk) 18:22, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You will probably neither find 10% of English sources using Caerdydd, Romsa, Άγιοι Σαράντα or Шахин. They do, however, all follow the relevant guideline that says one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place. The bolded part surely also applies here, too. --T*U (talk) 09:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Already mentioned in history section. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 20:16, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: ... which tends to obscure the fact that it is name in the language used by 40% of the population today, more than 100 years after the Ottoman Empire disappeared from the area. --T*U (talk) 09:01, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish name 

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message: Your description of the historical development is not very accurate. You claim that . In reality virtually all Bulgarians left the area in 1919, when Western Thrace was handed over to Greece as a result of the Treaty of Neuilly after WWI. Apart from a short period of strong Bulgarization during the Bulgarian occupation in WWII, the population of the city has for 100 years been Greek and Turkish with a sizable Roma minority, while the Jewish minority was mostly eliminated during the Bulgarian occupation. Today, only the Greek and the Turkish names are relevant, while the Bulgarian name (official from 1913 to 1919) is of course very much relevant for the history section, where it is presented. The Bulgarian presence before 1919 is not enough reason for presenting the Bulgarian name in the very first sentence per WP:UNDUE. See WP:PLACE for the relevant Wikipedia guidelines. --T*U (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgarian name