Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America

message: Please, anyone else, watch and try to improve the Lipan Apache people article. There's actually a wealth of material about the historical ethnic group, most of whose descendants are part of the Mescalero Apache today. Yuchitown (talk) 15:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lipan Apache people]] 

message: the code for wiki is so vastly overwelming never been able to fully wrap my head around it and keep getting yelled at over the years guna need help advice as everytime i wonder back somethings changed 
i have images i can donate to mcfn page but am worried the system will just delete like everything ive ever put up on other articals i took acusing me of steeling my own stuff so confusing
couple people at the band put a call out localy for help with their wiki page there was an election in january and so it has the wrong cheif and councle and infact it has not been updated since 2020. internet has been very unstable till recently so no one realy accessed the web beyond email. the election was jan 30 2024 and it was their first proper vote to happen on their reserve vs in lynn lake
i have photos of election day and the cerimony i can donate to their page. 
added their phone fax and mailing adress
updated inacurate information of telphone and internet services in the regon was 14yrs outa date
changed the very inacurat note on cell service as theres absolutly nothing for 400km's no idea why someone put saying it was avail
needs a write up about the agreement signed last year with alamos gold not sure best way to make that format source ect
but a historic agreement was signed with the gold mining company for a mine in 2023. 
the mine has a education cordnator thats moved up here working between lynn lake and 21 (mcfn gets referd to localy as 21 as its at mile 21 on the highway from lynn lake)
the lynn lake page could use some help linking the 2 communities pages better as well 
its a small place but theres allot of positve energy around it these days 
local communications is all done via facebook so allot of the source info is on one of 2 facebook pages 
*https://www.facebook.com/groups/1413729978950505 more a communications page for people to ask questions post events 
 posts things for sale
*https://www.facebook.com/groups/2929845427138903  << main one the band uses to communicate
they have their own flag as well be nice to add it 
https://scontent-msp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/125557726_10159108912899515_7662318690978588123_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Ah3abjWQKpYAX9U7mir&_nc_ht=scontent-msp1-1.xx&oh=00_AfA4dZBknVruf1rvIxvKlPON983h1FY_2Mt6DnWrfEftDw&oe=6612A935
1ajs (talk) 15:18, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't include anything that can't be verified through reliable sources. That is one reason a lot of articles stay small. It can be frustrating, to say the least, but it's the policies we have to work with. --ARoseWolf 11:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marcel colomb first nation page really outa date adding some info but could use help

message: Lakota mythology needs eyes on it. I just removed a blog source "Legends of America" that is being used on a lot of articles. From their "About" info on the blog:  Basically they exist to sell travel stuff and fake Native American trinkets from their two "Mom & Pop" online shops. There are two other expired sources that also seem like they might be blogs (?). I don't know enough about the subject to make improvements, so I'm bringing it here for other editors to examine. Netherzone (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of, the article for "Happy hunting ground" (which was linked in the Lakota mythology article) should probably be merged to some other article or outright deleted. It's several sentences about a poetic phrase used by settlers which, in the article, is described to possibly be completely invented by settlers. PersusjCP (talk) 19:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I raised this at WP:RSN#LegendsofAmerica.com. Doug Weller talk 19:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Doug Weller, once I started clicking on the various links on the LOA website and seeing all the junk they sell, I was shocked it is used on so many articles across the encyclopedia. Thanks for bringing it up on RSN. Netherzone (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

text: @PersusjCP, What are your thoughts on where it could get redirected to or merged into? AfD is fine by me as well. Netherzone (talk) 01:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I have no idea, it is such a broad and unrelated topic I don't know where it would even fit. PersusjCP (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to find archived versions of the sources. Two more were poor quality blogs, "Living Myths" and "Gods Creations". The one remaining source, "Native American Mythology A to Z" published by Infobase Holdings, Inc., however that citation is only used for two paragraphs. The rest of the article is unsourced. I've added a maintenance tag that more sources are needed. Netherzone (talk) 21:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lakota mythology]] needs eyes 

message: A discussion (Talk:United States#Problematic changes made to United States-Indigenous Peoples articles) is being had that this wiki-project may be interested in. --ARoseWolf 14:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Genocide on the [[Talk:United States]]

message: Discussion about deleting of the newly created stub City-recognized tribes in the United States. Yuchitown (talk) 15:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it make sense to have a "Delete Sort" category for Indigenous Peoples of the United States related AfDs? I don't know how those d.s. categories are created, or even it if would be a good idea, but it just occurred to me seeing this notification. I went to add delete-sorts using Twinkle, but this one didn't show up. Just a thot.... Netherzone (talk) 17:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what some of those words mean. ;) I watch the project's Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Article alerts, which helps me track deletion nominations. Yuchitown (talk) 22:27, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you see such a nomination, please open a new section here directing editors to it--unless there is some reason this is redundant. --David Tornheim (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. That is exactly what I did in this section. However, if you want to get tabs on things, just that Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America/Article alerts to your watch list since it covers much more than just articles for deletion. Yuchitown (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, sorry.  When you said, "I know what some of those words mean," I mistakenly thought you were a newer editor than you actually are. I will admit, I don't know what a "delete-sort" is either. LOL.  Anyway, thanks for the alerts.  I did comment that the one above.  If you do figure out what "delete-sort" means, I'm all ears.  :)   --David Tornheim (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello! What I mean by "delete-sort", is there is a useful script by EnterpriseyBot called delsort (found here User:Enterprisey/delsort ) which can be installed to your common.js sub-page that makes it really easy to add WikiProject-type categories to AfDs to draw the attention of editors in that area, alerting them that there is an AfD in an area of their interest. It shows up in the "More" menu when you're on a deletion discussion page, when you click you can add multiple relevant categories from the drop-down window that opens. (Sorry if this is not clear, I'm not a technical type person, however it is a useful tool!) Netherzone (talk) 18:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/City-recognized tribes in the United States]] 

message: :Minneapolis, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Minneapolis]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]

message: There is a renaming discussion for :Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States to match it with the main article, List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming discussion for Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States 

message: Just proposed moving Kewa Pueblo, New Mexico to Santo Domingo Pueblo, New Mexico. Discussion at Talk:Kewa Pueblo, New Mexico#Requested move 9 April 2024. Yuchitown (talk) 15:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: There is a renaming discussion for :Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States to match it with the main article, List of organizations that self-identify as Native American tribes. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming discussion for Category:Unrecognized tribes in the United States 

message: I am having trouble finding any single article generally covering American ethnic cleansing/genocide/forced displacement etc. of Native Americans, or even covering it west of the Mississippi, or after 1847. Indian removal (and the associated Indian Removal Act) covers 1830-1847 east of the Mississippi, and various articles e.g. California genocide cover specific incidents later/west of the Mississippi, but there doesn't seem to be any unified article about such policies throughout American (USian) history, or even specifically about such policies after Indian removal (the Eastern US policy) ended in 1847. Aspects of it are also touched on in various articles, e.g. Manifest destiny, Native Americans in the US, History of the US, etc. The closest article I can find is Native American genocide in the United States but, perhaps as a necessary result of its title, it seems to be primarily about whether such policies can be deemed a genocide, although it does make an attempt at presenting the history and the events involved, albeit far from comprehensively. Am I incorrect, and if so, can someone point me to the right article? And if I am not mistaken, do other people in this WikiProject also feel this topic deserves a general overview article (and if so, under what name)? Brusquedandelion (talk) 03:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Seems like all the forced removals should be under Indian Removal, since that’s what the U.S. federal Indian policy is most commonly called, but the article has massive gaps in the West—like Chiricahua Apaches being imprisoned in Florida, then sent to Mississippi then Indian Territory. Or captain Jack’s Modoc band being forced to NE Indian Territory. Yuchitown (talk) 13:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Yuchitown @ARoseWolf thanks for your comments. I thought about this, but I guess an objection people might have is that in the literature the term seems to largely just refer to the Indian Removal Act and its immediate consequences. Am I wrong about this? Brusquedandelion (talk) 19:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You could argue it would apply to forced removal after the Act passed which became U.S. federal Indian policy all the way into the 1870's with the various wars conducted to force Native Americans to assimilate or live on reservations but I do agree that is somewhat subjective. --ARoseWolf 19:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The forced removals all stem from the 1830 Act. There’s just a slight SE bias because so much has been written about those tribes compared to the Modoc Nation, for example. Yuchitown (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with the forced removal aspect stemming from the 1830 Act. Where it becomes subjective to me is after the 1860's. They had removed or eliminated most tribes, especially in the east' by then and it became more about control and assimilation. I still think the case can be made that some tribes were still fighting for self-determination, albeit to get off reservations and not be assimilated. However, there are very clear examples of forced removal that occur like the Black Hills War which eventually led to the annexation of the Black Hills and removal of the Sioux after the establishment of reservations. That was in 1874, a decade after the Civil War, so clear examples of forced removal continued well into the late 1800's. These could be added to the article to expand it if consensus is that this is a continuation of Indian removal policy. --ARoseWolf 10:40, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Agree with Yuchitown. It most likely should be under Indian Removal. I suggest starting additions for the West it in sandbox first and ping others to it to allow a wider collaboration. That is just a suggestion though. --ARoseWolf 13:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I agree with Yuchitown and ARoseWolf that it should be covered under Indian Removal. PersusjCP (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a discussion to move Native American genocide in the United States to Persecution of Native Americans: I don't know if that's the move you'd like inorder to cover all the topics of ethnic cleansing/genocide/forced displacement etc against Native peoples. The lead should be less about IF Euro-American scholars agree on the terms and more about the numerous events that constitute these crimes against Native people.  oncamera  (talk page) 14:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about US ethnic cleansing in general 

message: I'm an editor working on the Ferron article and the question has emerged as to how to treat her Métis identification. She was tagged in the category of First Nations musicians. I guess I am looking for some help in evaluating sources. I see: personal statement identifying as Métis, a quote from several years ago that her immediate family are enrolled (and that she was enrolling). I don't see a way to search for citizenship documentation online. She is mentioned on Windspeaker.com as Métis, was included in the National Music Centre exhibit on Indigenous musicians and recently performed at Talking Stick Festival. I am not First Nations so I was wondering if there's a sense of what sources would carry more weight on this issue. Thanks! Justinkrivers (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Métis ≠ First Nations. They are both two different Indigenous identities. (That being said, some Métis identify as FN but its absolutely not the "official" or even common, afaik, terminology, and there is a legal difference.) PersusjCP (talk) 21:15, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that CBC says: "She talks about discovering her family's Métis heritage. She says her siblings have gotten their papers, and she plans to do the same now that she's back from the States" (CBC). With situations this tenuous, you could directly quote the source or leave it be until a reliable source says something more concrete. Yuchitown (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This:  is sourced to a blogspot blog, not a reliable source. Netherzone (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: the CBC citation is the proper source for that content, so it is reliably sourced. Justinkrivers (talk) 02:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The deprecated source should be removed and replaced with a reliable source. Netherzone (talk) 11:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

text: are there Indigenous news sources that, if they reported her as a specific identity, would be considered credible? In other words, a news source that might be generally considered more credible and diligent in fact checking such a statement? Also wondering what the proper categories might be. I'm not a part of this project so I'm hoping to understand what categories might be in development or are developed that would be appropriate here. Justinkrivers (talk) 02:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: She’s already categorized appropriately. Yuchitown (talk) 02:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought there was a Métis musician category? Justinkrivers (talk) 12:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a large gap between telling the CBC she thinks she might have Métis heritage and being Métis. Her current categories are accurate, until some reliable new information comes forth that a Métis Nation has accepted her as a member. Yuchitown (talk) 14:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, until there are reliable sources, ideally either from the nation itself or a reliable media source quoting the nation, we shouldn't include any more than what is there. Ferron has identified her as having Métis ancestors in an interview. That is the very definition of self-identification. She acknowledges she is not a member of the Métis nation but has filed paperwork. When that process is completed successfully and she is accepted by the nation I think that will satisfy the recommendations found in WP:NDNID. --ARoseWolf 14:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Does she say what nation? It's not one of those Metis non-profits where people pay an application fee and get their card to pass off as Metis nation, right?  oncamera  (talk page) 15:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

text: @ARoseWolf Let's assume for a hypothetical moment that that process is complete. How would one know or confirm that? Justinkrivers (talk) 15:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Like Oncamera points out, if it is a non-profit that claims to be Métis then it doesn't change anything, even with confirmation. The affirmation of acceptance will come from that respective recognized nation. --ARoseWolf 16:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @ARoseWolf so let's say hypothetically that an affirmation of acceptance is issued by a respective recognized nation. How does one know or confirm that? Justinkrivers (talk) 16:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There will be a record. The process to confirm or verify that record I do not know. Perhaps an editor with more knowledge in this particular field will be able to assist. My focus is more on Indigenous peoples in the United States and Alaska. I do know that without the confirmation the article is fine as it is worded now without the categories that were removed. --ARoseWolf 16:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that explanation, very helpful. Justinkrivers (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferron article 

message: Is there an infobox specifically for federally recognized tribes in the US? I know the First Nations infobox exists. I see a mix of {infobox ethnic group}, {infobox settlement}, and {infobox country}. I stick to {infobox settlement} or {infobox country} since the ethnic group one I usually keep for articles about the ethnic groups, rather than the tribal governments/entities. PersusjCP (talk) 04:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No, thank you for bringing this up! I would love (when I have the time) to try to create more articles for Alaska Native tribes and villages. Honestly the settlement template, link on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation usually has information I cannot locate, especially for tribes without reservations. Do more experienced editors know of any places in Wikipedia to get assistance creating in a template? Yuchitown (talk) 14:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  This, too, is what I want to focus more on. It is a subject severely in need of support. --ARoseWolf 16:58, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @ARoseWolf I have created around two dozen articles on Alaska Native tribes, mostly Yupik, Aleut, and Iñupiat. I list them on my main page. It can be hard to find source for the tribes. A lot of both media and Wikipedia articles aren't very precise in distinguishing census-designated places from federally recognized tribes. Central Council of the Tlingit & Haida Indian Tribes and Yakutat Tlingit Tribe are high on my list for articles in need of being written. It's also frustrating that a lot of articles related to Alaska Natives don't seem to mention specific federally recognized tribes. It's a mess. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: @Yuchitown, Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes might be a good place to start. Netherzone (talk) 23:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox for federally-recognized tribes? 

message: Marilou Awiakta's daughter has radically altered her mother's article, including removing sources showing her mother isn't enrolled in a Cherokee tribe. The article now looks like an advertisement. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Marilou Awiakta

message: I noticed this article got created recently, and I figured the people here might want to give it a look/add things. It's pretty bare-bones right now.PersusjCP (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Persecution of First Nations]] 

message: I'm unsure what the distinction is between :Category:People of the wars between the United States and Native Americans and :Category:People of the American Indian Wars. Unless I am mistaken, couldn't these two categories be merged? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 06:03, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is confusing. I see there is also :Category:American people of the Indian Wars and :Category:Native American people of the Indian Wars. Seems confusing since most of the wars, if not all, were before Native people had citizenship in the US so why are they "Native American" people vs "American" people?  oncamera  (talk page) 06:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I would support a merge, and also a rename of Category:Native American people of the Indian Wars subcategory as per oncamera. PersusjCP (talk) 15:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "People of the American Indian Wars" categorization 

message: *Propose deleting Category:First Nations drawing artists
*Propose merging Category:Inuit drawing artists to Category:Inuit artists
*Propose merging Category:Native American drawing artists to Category:Native American artists
Conversation at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_30#Category:First_Nations_drawing_artists. Sigh. Yuchitown (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion/merge of several categories 

message: A proposal – that may be of interest to this WikiProject – was recently opened to change the name of :Category: Native Americans' rights activists to :Category:Activists for Native American rights. The discussion can be found here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 8.
Netherzone (talk) 23:18, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed renaming of a category 

message: As an example, the article for Gabrielle Tayac has her nationality listed in the infobox as "Piscataway Indian Nation". Shouldn't the nationality be listed as American? And to clarify further, for articles that list people as "citizens" of a state-recognized tribe, shouldn't "member" be used instead of "citizen"? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 19:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I would agree with making those changes.  oncamera  (talk page) 19:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Yuchitown (talk) 00:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gabrielle Tayac 

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message: There are a number of federally recognized tribes or First Nations - such as Colorado River Indian Tribes, Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes, Six Nations of the Grand River, Tlingit & Haida, etc. - that include citizens of multiple tribal heritages. Is a Colorado River Indian Tribes citizen of Navajo heritage to be described as a Navajo person or as a person of Navajo descent? Would it be overcategorization to tease these things out, along the lines of :Catgory:Mohawk people of the Six Nations or :Category:Six Nations people of Mohawk descent? That I can see, the status quo is that people like Martin Sensmeier (Tlingit enrolled with Tlingit & Haida) is categorized under both :Category:Tlingit people and :Category:Tlingit & Haida Indian Tribes people, which is itself currently a subcat of the cat for Tlingit people. EDIT - on closer examination, Six Nations people can be organized by band: Bearfoot Onondaga, Upper Mohawk, Upper Cayuga, Delaware First Nation, etc. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multi-heritage tribes 

message: I know it is a bit tricky when it comes to state-recognized tribes, but currently Wikipedia has an article for the Lumbee and the Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, as well as categories for Lumbee people, Lumbee descent, and self-identified Lumbee descent. There is a category for Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina, but not for Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina people. Any clarity here? Presumably there are people who identify as Lumbee without being a member of the state-recognized tribe. Don't know how that could be verified though, or if it would need to be. Help? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 07:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lumbee categorization 

message: I keep running into lengthy, often undercited, lists of subtribes/bands in Native ethnic groups articles (right now, I'm looking at Cheyenne#History#Historical Cheyenne bands). My inclination is to move them to the bottom of the page. There's a tendency for these articles flow chronologically, but it seems they should be organized more by what information a reader (typically a young student, I'd imagine) would actually want to know. Has anyone else dealt with this situation? Yuchitown (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtribes/Bands sections in ethnic group articles 

message: There is a discussion at Talk:Settler colonialism in Canada#Proposed merge of Persecution of First Nations into Settler colonialism in Canada to merge Persecution of First Nations into Settler colonialism in Canada which may be of interest. PersusjCP (talk) 18:05, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion at [[Persecution of First Nations]] that may be of interest 

message: There is a discussion going on at Genocide of Indigenous peoples to change the name of the article to Genocide of indigenous peoples (lower-case indigenous.) The discussion can be found here: Talk:Genocide of Indigenous peoples#Requested move 25 May 2024. Netherzone (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also Talk:Genocide of Indigenous peoples#Proposed merge of Canadian genocide of the First Nations into Genocide of Indigenous peoples#Canada on the same talk page. Yuchitown (talk) 15:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion re: name change of [[Genocide of Indigenous peoples]] to lower case indigenous 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Horace Pierite, Jr., if anyone has any thoughts on this matter. Yuchitown (talk) 16:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Horace Pierite, Jr.]] 

message: Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Archaeology#"was"_vs_"is"_for_individual_ancient_human_skeletons for a discussion regarding whether Wikipedia articles about individual human remains (like skeletons and mummies, including those of Native Americans) should be described in the past or present tense. Thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "was" vs "is" for articles on ancient human remains, including those of Native Americans 

message: Wikipediocracy has a thread "State-recognized tribes and the Indigenous peoples of North America WikiProject" about this WikiProject and editors are mentioned in there, since that's the apparent standard to share these links on this talkpage.  oncamera  (talk page) 04:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not un-interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Could lead to WP:canvassing since I see active discussions are being posted there and editors have been blocked in the past for making similar posts on Wikipediocracy.  oncamera  (talk page) 09:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for sharing. I'm not sure what role anyone thinks I have in First Nation discussions. I don't usually edit First Nation articles or about Indigenous people in Canada. I think I've even said that before so that comment kind of perplexes me. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Additional thoughts coming, I just need to clear my head space and I have chores to complete first. --ARoseWolf 14:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Addendum: Joy Harjo is a citizen of the Muscogee (Creek) Nation. I don't understand how anyone actively weighing in on Native issues could not already know that or easily look that up. Yuchitown (talk) 22:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

text: It is frustrating that these off-wiki commentators are seemingly so dead-set on assuming the worst about Wikipedia editors that it has apparently impaired their ability to read. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The internet loves conspiracy, outrage, and projection. Unfortunately, Wikipedia appears to be no exception, which saddens me. Yuchitown (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipediocracy 

message: There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Patricia Marroquin Norby about how self-identification and sources should be used that might be of interest to editors.  oncamera  (talk page) 17:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons noticeboard, Patricia Marroquin Norby 

message: There's discussion to remove tribal nations from MOS:CITIZEN at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography#Native American/First Nations citizenship.  oncamera  (talk page) 19:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, it's Crush Indigenous Sovereignty Week at Wikipedia. How dare we try to assert our existence? Yuchitown (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess our existence is the Great Wrong that must be corrected on Wikipedia since they always bring up WP:RGW when mentioning MOS:CITIZEN.  oncamera  (talk page) 19:59, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOS:CITIZEN / Native American/First Nations citizenship 

message: I have a question at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons#Regina M. Anderson about whether ethnic or race information should be in categories if it's minor. In reading MOS:Ethnicity, ethnic background or race should only be in an article if it is part of a person's notability and of defining importance.
In Anderson's case, the only thing that is relevant to her education, career, and participation in the Harlem Renaissance is that she has African heritage. There's only some specific information about her African heritage. And, it is not relevant that she has partial Jewish, Swedish, Native American, etc. heritage. Please comment there if interested.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You literally answered your own question after posting the guidelines. Being African American is the only part of her ethnicity that is relevant to her career so she doesn't belong in other categories.  oncamera  (talk page) 15:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well kind of, my question was about categories. I sorted out that the answer applied to both inclusion in the article and use of categories. That kind of awareness in steps happens some times with my brain. I tried to give you the most up-to-date information in this post. And, I posted here because I thought the Project might have an opinion about leaving out minor heritage info.–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Regina M. Anderson]] 

message: Is :Category:People of Native American descent being used properly? Per Wikipedia:Categorizing articles about people#Defining: 
I see people put into descent categories where their claims are not why they are notable. An example is :Category:People of Sioux descent, there are two articles, one is Linus Woods, who is an artist where his Native culture plays a crucial part to his notability, the second is Jas Mann, whose claims of being Native seem to have no notability to his musical career. I'm not saying the claims have to removed from the article, but instead, why is he in that category when it's not a WP:Defining feature?  oncamera  (talk page) 02:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: These evolved out of necessity because editors kept dumping various celebrities into Native categories over and over. Yuchitown (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless their ethnic backgrounds are relevant to their careers, why would they need to be in a category about their heritage anyway?  oncamera  (talk page) 02:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I'll add that if someone is enrolled citizen, they should be put be into categories about their citizenship etc, even if it's not totally why they are notable since citizen. That's different than the "so-and-so of tribal-nation descent" categories about heritage, and not citizenship.  oncamera  (talk page) 02:33, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it just evolved from a practical reality of Wikipedia. If you take these away, editors will just add and re-add them of the main Native categories. Whether their heritage is deemed notable or not. Yuchitown (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:People of Native American descent