Talk:Métis flag

message: I have assessed this as a Stub, as it contains only the basic information on the subject, and of low importance, as it is a highly specific topic within Canada. Cheers, CP 22:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: I was wondering what the color codes were for the flag, I know it may be variable, but I wanted to know one of the color code by example, the RGB 8-bits value, with the help of my digital color meter, the published blue RGB value is R:34; G:51; B:204, White is the full white R:255; G:255; B:255, Red is R:204; G:0; B:0. I find this information may be valuable for other to know as they might want it for learning purposes.
Published on June 11th 2014 8:22pm UTC  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GentlyJack1 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  color code?  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There are absolutely no historical contemporary accounts of the flag being given to the Métis by Alexander Macdonell of Greenfield that are currently known. A detailed examination of the origin of the Métis flag is provided by Métis author, lawyer, and historian, Jean Teillet, in collaboration with Métis local president, Dr. Adam McInnes, in their work Métis Nation Infinity Flag Debate – Tracking the Historical Sources – August 2020. In the course of their research, they examined the claim that the flag originated from Macdonell, including reviewing primary and secondary sources, but found no corroborating historical evidence for this version of events, and found potentially conflicting accounts that describe gifts being given to the Métis by the North West Company that do not include a flag among the gifts. Littlejohn657 (talk) 23:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: No historical records on the origin of the flag

message: §Design and symbolism included the following sentence (indentation and numbering added):
:There might also be a connection to the ouroboros, an ancient symbol that depicts a serpent or dragon eating its own tail, represented either in a circle or figure eight, symbolizing renewal and rebirth 
:#(though there is no evidence to support this idea, and the first Masonic lodge to be established in Manitoba was not established until 1864, 
:#there is evidence that suggests Masons were present in Fort Prince of Wales in the early 18th Century [accessed 23 January 2021 for this Talk page section]).
Therefore
# Since there is no evidence, the whole sentence is irrelevant to the section and the article.
# Furthermore, since there is no other mention of the Freemasons as a possible source of the ouroboros symbol, and there is no mention of it or the Métis flag in the Freemasonry article or in the reference cited (Young 2005), this statement is doubly irrelevant. See #No historical records on the origin of the flag, above on this page.
# I am deleting the entire sentence.
--Thnidu (talk) 17:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasonry  

message: From §Design and symbolism [bolding added]:
:Some argue that the red flag is the Métis Hunting Flag, letting the people around know that they were a hunting party and not at war, and the guide for the day would be the flag-bearer. Due to the potential for skirmishes and battles on the bison hunting trips, such as the Battle of Grand Coteau, the red flag could serve as a standard.
The sections I have bolded are directly contradictory. Furthermore, the last reference, cited in support of the red flag's being a war flag, supports exactly the opposite conclusion. While it is primarily about the "Métis sash", the brief section "Flags" (p.59) consists of a pair of labeled graphics:
* Nation Flag
*: (blue flag) Flown on June 19, 1816 at the Battle of Seven Oaks under the leadership of Cuthbert Grant.
* Hunting Flag
*: (red flag) During a hunting expedition, the camp flag belonged to the guide of the day.
The quotation in §James Sutherland's accounts of the Métis flag also has the red flag being flown in a peaceful meeting, though it also could indicate that the group flying it intended combat, on the side of the Europeans in the meeting [underlining added]:
:Alexander McDonell partner of the N.W.Co. arrived with a great parade of 40 or 50 Canadians, Freemen & Half-Breeds forming two distinct companies. McDonell led one of these consisting of Canadians with the Colours flying the other Company were Half Breeds headed by Cuthbert Grant a Half Breed who has been regularly educated at Canada and has acted for several years as Clerk & still continue to act as such, to the N.W.Co. This Tribe had another Flag hoisted of what nation I know not  and  ... [sic] 
I am changing the second bolded sentence quoted from §Design and symbolism to refer to the blue flag.
--Thnidu (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red for hunting or for war?