Talk:Camille Saint-Saëns

message: Isn't the dieresis over the e in Saëns supposed to indicate that it is to be pronounced as a separate vowel from the preceding one? ZFT (talk) 21:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Tim riley talk  21:32, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I always wondered about this too, Tim.  What's its purpose then?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text:  In fact, I asked this very question up above at "The surname Saint-Saëns" in 2008, but I still await a reply.  That's OK, I have patience.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 21:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a wicked French plot to confuse innocent Englishmen, as in the otiose grave accent in première and the ludicrous circumflex in château. Tim riley talk  21:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Later, and slightly shamefacedly,  can you perhaps help us out with a more objective explanation? Tim riley talk  22:25, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, the other person who springs to mind - Madame de Staël - is listed separately in the voyelles section over at le Wiktionnaire: Le dictionnaire libre  so there may be two origins (hence their different pronunciations) of this combination. Unless someone knows someone at the Académie française they can ask, I would suggest just accepting that there must be a very good reason for doing this... Is this objective enough?!Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 20:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's most interesting - thank you very much, mon général. In passing, Ogden Nash's verses for Carnival of the Animals begin with the words, "Camille Saint-Saëns was wracked with pains, When people addressed him as Saint Sanes", but I digress. Tim riley talk  22:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Arguably. Yet, many contemporary (younger) French speakers will pronounce that final s..U.A.— 20:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this question will ever be – or can be – answered definitively. Our francophone colleagues chez Wikipédia Fr are unequivocal that the final s is sounded (pace the lady in the Louvre café), but they add an interesting footnote, citing an article "Doit-on prononcer le "s" final de Saint-Saëns ?", to the effect that the composer preferred his name to be pronounced like that of the village  Saint-Saëns, which, the note says, was pronounced without a final s until 1940–1950 and was spelled without a final s until 1840–1860. – Tim riley talk 21:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

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message: Bonnerot is not much help. On pp. 61–62 he says:
:Saint-Saëns gathered the few hundred francs he could find in the house, said goodbye and left. At the Gare du Nord, a train was leaving; an employee motioned for him to go into a compartment, even without a ticket. The next day he landed in England and went to London, while in Paris the fédérés were occupying the gates and the stations and preventing the inhabitants from leaving. He had left in time.
Maddeningly, Bonnerot gives no date, but the trains stopped running to and from Paris on 3 April, to judge by press archives. If so, and if Saint-Saëns was indeed on the last train out of Paris, Jost is wrong that the Romance (dated March) was written in London. I am inclined to dodge the question of when CS-S left Paris, and redraw the relevant sentences to read:
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What think you, Intforce? – Tim riley talk 14:44, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the research! I agree that it would be possibly best to leave that question unanswered – it's merely a small detail after all. intforce (talk) 11:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've lightly redrawn the section accordingly. Tim riley talk 17:53, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Bonnerot

message: This information was removed from the article: Composer/pianist Charlotte Tardieu performed works for two pianos with Saint-Saëns on several occasions (https://www.sophie-drinker-institut.de/tardieu-de-malleville-charlotte). T. E. Meeks (talk) 12:27, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not of encyclopedic interest in an article about Saint-Saëns. No mention of her in the Grove article about Saint-Saëns or in the full-length biographies by Neitzel, Hervey or de Lassus, nor in Saint-Saëns's own memoirs. Possibly of interest in an article about Tardieu, to add a bit of reflected glory to an obscure musician, but quite beside the point in CS-S's article. That's my view, anyhow: what think other editors? Tim riley talk 18:47, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composer/Pianist Charlotte Tardieu Performed with Saint-Saëns 

message: While trying to improve the National Anthem of Uruguay page (having been bowled over by the reminiscences of Rossini), I realized that Saint-Saëns is sometimes incorrectly credited as the composer of the music. Why? It turns out that during a visit he made to the country in 1916 he was commissioned to write a celebratory hymn (I'm not sure if it was ever completed) which could potentially have become the national anthem, but in reality didn't. Whereas this information seems to me highly relevant for the page I was editing, I'm agnostic as to whether it might be appropriate  here. Hence this post. In Freundschaft, 86.182.104.144 (talk) 15:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Grove, Saint-Saëns did indeed write a hymn for Uruguay – Partido colorado for the national holiday on 14 July. I don't for my own part think this minor fact cries out for inclusion in our article, but there would be no great harm in mentioning it if others think we should follow Grove's example and do so. Tim riley talk 16:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you Tim! How did I miss that? I had the Grove page open to consult, but somehow completely missed out on Partido colorado... which will now go onto the anthem page. 86.182.104.144 (talk) 16:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Good! I think that's right for both articles. (I found the one on the Uruguayan national anthem most interesting, by the way.)  Tim riley talk 19:50, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the more I've reflected on the somewhat nebulous episode, the less significant it has felt to me for this page. (I'm delighted you find the anthem page interesting, btw; so have I, which is what brought me here - thanks again!) 86.182.104.203 (talk) 21:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible addition