Talk:Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots/Archive 3

message: Is Naomi Hunter even mentioned in Metal Gear Solid 2?  If not it should probably be fixed in the article's Gameplay section.
Blank2416:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naomi Hunter

message: There's a newly added referance in the main article to the voice actress of Boss being listed in the HUD of the Metal Gear Mark II robot thingy in one of the trailers.
He says the infamous grave is suspected to hers.
This data is likely to be removed in a matter of minutes by the delete-hungry people that obay the letter of the rules not the spirit.
Obviously it should be deleted because it's uncited and the grave thing is pure speculation.
But I for one would like to see a screenshot of this data.
If it's really there then I think it's well worth mentioning.
Even if it's not refered to as a hint that Boss may be a relevant character..
(Which would have it removed by all those flying the flag of Wiki:Not Crystal Ball)
....it can still be mentioned as trivia or a fanservice nod to the previous games much like Johnny Sasaki or Raikov.
There's trivia on the XMen 2 page saying how it mentions Remmy LaBaux (AKA Gambit) on a computer list in one scene, so names that only a fan would recognise have been used as trivia before.
(Before the NoFancruft people come in and delete this from the talk page)
So yeah, is there a screenshot of this?
Simondrake 23:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boss in the mg mkII hud 

message: I'd like to request that the MG forums some idiot keeps linkspamming into MGS articles be blacklisted- they have 65 members (count 'em), and are not a useful addition to Wikipedia. My last ten edits have been removing that linkspam!
The problem is happening all over the MG pages, MPO especially
†he Bread 21:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I informed the admin that originally blocked him regarding his latest posts as an anon, IP address user. You could nominate the site yourself or wait for the admin to do it for you (which seems the likeliest move given his unapologetic stance). Sockatume 02:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: His original account and his IP address have both been issued with temporary bans which seem to have dissuaded him. He was similarly spamming the Final Fantasy pages with his sister forum. I've got his details handy so if he resumes I'll get him back on Requests for Admin Intervention. Sockatume 18:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: He came back and immediately started spamming again on Thursday or thereabouts, so now he's perma-banned. Sockatume 02:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text: We've got some IP users too, I've warned them and will be keeping tabs so I can make a more conclusive case for having the site blacklisted.Sockatume 02:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkspammers 

message: Someone higher should not allow this page to be edited by non-registered users.
User:Nobody  12:00, 21 December 2006
:Only an admin can do that, I'll get in contact with one and see what we can do 
:†he Bread 22:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  360 Fanboy Just Messed Up The Page 

message: Do we have any info on the english voice cast? I'd really like to see David Hayter and the rest of the original cast reprise their roles. PowderedToastMan 06:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Voice Actors 

message: Should we amend the release date? Konami recently released a line-up of their 2007 releases and i didn't see MGS4 on there.
A possible suggestion that MGS isn't going to be released this year? Alpha Five 10:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Retailers are not reliable sources. Their goal is to get pre-orders, obviously, so they can list any release date they please to sucker more sales. Metal Gear Solid 3, announced as a 2004 title from the start, wasn't released in September 2003, as many retailers like EB Games listed, to use one example. - DoubleCross 18:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date? 

message: One of the podcasts that I subscribe to (I think it's Hideo Kojima's blog but it's not done by him, it's done by someone named Ryan who I think works for him) was talking with one of the developers and said that a 360 version of MGS4 would be possible because they wanted to boost the sales of the 360 in Japan.
I don't know the exact link of this blog because I'm not on my home computer but I'll link when I get back to my computer. It has a link to the .mp3 file of the show.
:Why the heck would konami care about the sales of the 360 in japan? And sure, it's possible to make the game on the counsel, but that doesn't mean their going to do it.  Dboyz-x.etown 06:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it might be because Hironobou Sakaguchi and Square-Enix are strongly considering making Final Fantasy XIII for both Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.212.96.26 (talk) 13:51, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This is a large rumour. People said that Konami was forcing Kojima to make Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots for the Xbox 360 to boost sales. However, Kojima has stated that the Xbox 360 simply doesn't have the capabilities to run Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php. (Myscrnnm 22:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible a 360 Version? (HAVE SOURCES!!!) 

message: When the word "Exclusive" is "Officially" used, it means something. For example, games like Lost Planet and Dead Rising are "Exclusive" Xbox 360 games that have symbols on the boxes that say, "Only for Xbox 360." Games like Saints Row and Enchanted Arms were never "Officially" listed as "Exclusive" games for the Xbox 360. People simply thought that games like Saints Row and Enchanted Arms were exclusive to the Xbox 360 because the Playstation 3 versions of the games were released so much later. It's quite common for games to be released first on Xbox 360, and then over six months later for the Playstation 3. Ironically, even though the PS3 versions are released later, the Xbox 360 versions of the games offer much greater performance. An example of this is the way F.E.A.R. won lots of awards when it was released on the PC and Xbox 360 in late 2006. But the PS3 version of F.E.A.R. has one of the worst framerates ever in a game--often going below 20 frames per second and causing slowdown on the screen. That's why the PS3 has now developed a poor reputation for having bad framerates. Hopefully Metal Gear Solid 4 will not have that problem on the PS3.Mike mgoblue 09:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exclusive has a meaning when it is Official 

message: http://kotaku.com/gaming/go307/feature-talkin-metal-gear-with-hideo-kojima-248695.php
While the article may or may not count as a valid reference, there was a little tidbit in the interview which hints on Kojima's intentions with the game:
"But like I said, MGS4 is aimed for the movie theatre, it's aimed for the PS3, so the game's scenario and graphics need this theatre-type hardware. It's when a producer has a game that can work on the 'DVD level' that a game will go multiplatform", he says. Sorry kids. Your "OMGMGS4360" banners will have to come out another day.
Since we've opened up this can of worms, I may as well get his thoughts on it. Why, I ask, do you think this rumour simply refuses to go away? "Because 360 owners want it on 360, obviously", he quips.
I'm not attempting to take a side on the issue - but the quote does add a little perspective to the debate. --Sqrfrk 06:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not especially useful- the fact that Konami's official announcements have declared the game as exclusive for PS3 and have never said otherwise should be more than enough. Hyperspacey 16:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to make things clear - I wasn't attempting to nominate the interview for its inclusion in the article. But since this "Talk Page" has numerous debates on exclusivity despite Konami's official statement on the issue, I hoped that it may add a little perspective to the debate. My apologies if it came off as something else. --Sqrfrk 04:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that's fine, just bear in mind that Talk pages are catagorically not for debating about the article subject, but for discussing the article itself. 86.0.206.52 14:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence of exclusivity? 

message: I am not a fanboy. I am simply trying to point out the truth. Mike mgoblue 15:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and I'll just mention that one Konami "source" cited in one of your supposedly reliable articles claims Konami will "announce" PC and 360 MGS4 at E3 in July 2007 (E3 is held in May, but it doesn't matter since there isn't any E3 this year and the entire industry has known that for over a year). Hyperspacey 17:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And as far as we know it's not going to X-Box, Snake Eater didn't, this won't either. Get the-fuck over it 121.72.136.24 00:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am trying to point out that games announced as "Exclusive" for Playstation 3, are often "Not Exclusive," and I think that needs to be acknowledged. 

message: I have been trying to tell Playstation 3 owners all along that there will in fact be an Electronic Entertainment Expo in 2007; although, it will be in a scalled down manner. Sony was humiliated at the 2006 E3, where 83% of the attendees said the Xbox 360 had the best performance, 12% voted for Nintendo, but only 5% voted for Sony. The reason Sony scored so low was because of the disappointing performance of the Playstation 3; that's why USA Today referred to the PS3 as "The Biggest Disappointment of the Year" after the 2006 E3. As a result, Sony decided not to attend a large scale show like that. Consequently, EA said they would also not attend a large show like that, because EA had more support for the PS2 than anything else at the time. Since then EA has changed their minds, which caused Sony to change their minds. Now there is a scaled down version of the E3 show which will happen in July of 2007. Mike mgoblue 23:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that help. This is Wikipedia encyclopedia. Kojima said he's open to developing a 360 version. Therefore as far as we know there may be a 360 version.121.72.133.106 07:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I won't say anything else about it, because nothing else really needs to be said. When July 2007 arrives, we will see that Metal Gear Solid is announced for Xbox 360, like all the rumors from reliable sources have indicated for such a long time. Mike mgoblue 15:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, please learn how to add additional comments onto existing discussions, rather than filling the Talk page with ever-expanding reams of unverified fantalk, trolling and conspiracy theory. If, as you claim, you have verifiable information from accurate sources ready to post, add it to this talk page and we'll see if it's usable, perhaps do a bit of tidying up on it. If there is an announcement it'll same time. Hyperspacey 23:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: God, this is wiki, Kojima said its exclusive, but so did Capcom with Devil May Cry 4. Keep filling up this talk page with craploads of cool info that is helping everyone. Everyone knows Xbox 360 will end up with MGS4, but we just need to wait until it's officially announced.| 15:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong, there IS a scaled-down version of E3 in 2007

message: Does anyone have a link stating when the online mutiplayer was announced? I dont remember this ever happening. If not, then it needs to be removed. Cheers. Xenoslayer 16:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll track it down. Gimme 'till the 7th to do a good check, it may well be unconfirmed-but-planned. Hyperspacey 22:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online Multiplayer 

message: http://www.destructoid.com/mgs4-is-coming-to-the-xbox-360--31775.phtml 
I'll leave it to the people who know what they're doing to add that as a source and stuff, I don't know the format and don't really care either. PickledJesus 19:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you cant tell its a spoof please tell your mother to have an abortion next time, thanks ~Corpse 19:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "news article" cite sources and is most likely proof. As for ~Corpse, that sort of response is not tolerated. I'll leave that to someone higher ranked than me to remove, but I doubt they will, because they didn't do anything when the statements of the very intelligent mike_mgoblue were alterred by immature PS3 fanboys. - AVX 19:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Youll understand my frustration when the slew of vandals and incited edits roll in ~Corpse 21:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not vandalism if people are responding to a news article.  Destructoid is a pretty reputable site and I don't see why they would post an "April fools" type article in late May and it's worth noting that the article has been edited to appear to comply with a cease and desist order.  They don't cite a source, so you're correct, it shouldn't be taken as fact as yet.  I just thought I would point out that Destructoid don't often deal in gags, tricks and attention grabbing. MrHate 00:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's more being added to the article and I'm not quite sure what the deal is.  Frankly, I don't really care that much.  All other MGS titles have gone multi-platform, so it seems obvious that this one will too.  I'm just going to save face right now by saying we should wait for a PR comment. MrHate 00:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's been confirmed to Digital Spy. http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a58390/metal-gear-solid-4-confirmed-for-xbox-360.html -Gamerzworld 01:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "according to online reports" doesn't seem like a reputable source. In fact the only time a Konami employee is mentioned in that article is to talk on the PS3 edition. If that spokesperson would have mentioned that the game were being released on another platform then there would be a reasonable source of information. As it stands it is still speculation. - AVX 14:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The employee only talks about the ps3 and never mentions anything of another platform release, sorry but no dice ~Corpse 14:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow, quite a discussion going on around here, but atleast this could be stated in this article, like "Recently, some websites have commented on the possibility of an Xbox 360 version of the game, but it hasn't been confirmed, as a matter of fact, denied, by Konami" or so, can't we? LOL, I made the right choice when I came in here to discuss the matter. rohith 19:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xbox 360 version confirmed 

message: There is an XBox 360 section in the article that states the 360 version of this game has been confirmed.
There are no references to this section in the article.
Do any references exist or is it just forum talk again?
--Simondrake 15:10, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually delete those types of things without checking up on it if they dont link a source, but this time i checked on it and it seems people are either stealth vandalizing or just still going off that fake destructoid article. i got rid of it i think. ~Corpse 15:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XBox 360 section in the article 

message: What's the source for it being delayed, the source says coming 2007? Starwarsrulez 22:58, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kojimas trying to fill up that 25 gigs he has. He said he's trying to fill in all the blanks to all the questions left behind of MGS2,like where did Ocelot go and why are there the patriots if they died a 100 years ago. It was supposed to be release Spring but they weren't done... jan 2008. over 70 hours of sweet gameplay ^^--Hitamaru 00:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delayed? 

message: I remember Kojima said that the game is exclusive to the ps3 on his japanese radio station he does. if anyone doesn't beleive look through the archive. Also the cutscene graphics are in real-time >.<.360 can't handle real-time. plus it's like 20 gigs on that Blu-ray disc. Also the Xbox version of MGS2 failed... -.-. badly
You are very right and I couldn't agree more with your logic and idiological choice.  However, this really isn't the place for XBox 360 slating unless it's absolutely neccesary and unfortunatly in this case it isn't.  I'd suggest you go elsewhere to discuss which console is better and leave this talk page for disc iussing how to improve the article.  Thank you.Simondrake 17:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not discussing which console is better.--Hitamaru 00:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Exclusive to the ps3

message: http://mp.i-revo.jp/user.php/kp-ryan/entry/103.html
There is going to be a trailer at E3. It's going to be during Konami's Press Conference and Sony's, which pretty much guarantees that it will be a PS3 Exclusive. So no more Xbox 360 (Rumored) things ok! Starwarsrulez 20:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That statement is confirmation of a trailer at the Sony and Konami conferences. They confirm nothing regarding the Xbox 360. You're interpolating. 86.139.223.112 21:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: You are almost certainly right and Starwars does indeed rule, you're right.  However, this is speculation and not referencable confirmation.  The exclusivity of this game is not a topic for discussion here unless Hideo or Sony or someone else suitably high up says: "MGS4:GOTP Is PS3 Exclusive" or words to that effect. After the announcement has been made, this talk page will let people discuss the wording, positioning and font size of the statement.  This talk page is NOT for speculation regarding what implies exclusivity. Please take it elsewhere.Simondrake 08:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fact Konami and Sony announced the game as PS3 exclusive two years ago, and continue to advertise it as such, should be enough IMO. Hyperspacey 09:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: i'ma be watching the Sony and Nintendo section, watch some lair and MGS4 at sony section and Some Brawl and Umbrella chronicles on Nintendo side. all good ^^.
I don't know if this counts, but Kojima said he viewed the next-gen consoles as this: PS3=Cinema Xbox 360=DVD player Wii=T.V.
He ten went on to say that a cinema was required aka Ps3 to play MGS4.Starwarsrulez 01:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 Exclusive Confirmed!!!!!!!! 

message: It was confirmed today at E3 that Metal Gear Solid 4 is exclusive to ps3.Shadowfyre 19:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it was confirmed yesterday cause kojima didn't show up(at the Microsoft's E3),and the guy didn't have any tattoos on his "Muscles". xD!ima watch sony later im watching Nintendo.No one can bribe kojima ^^. i remember some guy started spamming that it was going to 360 then so many to people believe him and they started bragging.--Hitamaru 21:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also looking at the various articles right now RE: GOTP's PS3 exclusivity. With confirmations from Kojima and SCEA's Jack Tretton, I surely hope that they have driven the final nails in the coffins of people who claim MGS 4 will go to any other platform.Eaglestorm 14:11, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed exclusive at E3 07 

message: "It should be noted that Mr. Kojima made the same comments with the previous game Metal Gear Solid 3."
According To www.gamespot.com Hideo Kojima said the same thing for MGS2 in early 2001...
http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/metalgearsolid2sonsol/news.html?sid=2679773
Oshii: So Metal Gear Solid 2 will conclude the entire series?
Kojima: Yes.
Oshii: This isn't like "end of Chapter 1" type of deal is it?
Kojima: No, we'd like to avoid something like that.
so the paragraph should be : ""It should be noted that Mr. Kojima made the same comments with the previous gameS like Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 3."
MGS2 wouldn't even good ending to the series cause of fact that it leaves some holes in the plot that were placed there for a sequel. jus like MGS3 solved who is big boss to fans of MGS1 and MGS2.
:: Yeah it should be noted, but I believe this will be the last in the series.  Don't forget though last of the Metal Gear SOLID series, they may make a new one (metal gear <insert name here>), especially considering the rich storyline, plus Snake is old and it has already been stated he will be dying soon.  MtyQuinn
::: Yeah,but Kojima said in GameInformer that MGS5 will be the last of the solid series. He also said MGS4 will not have snake dieing but Kojima also said at E3 that this will be his last MEtal Gear Solid Game but he later making a Expansion pack for MGP.
Metal Gear:Raiden. For some reason i think Kojima gave Raiden High heels to make North american fans hate him more. It's working.--Hitamaru 15:38, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same Statement For MGS2 .... 

message: Please, someone dump all this in an archive. Talk pages are for discussing article content, not article subject. Hyperspacey 15:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enough with the MGS4 discussion!