Talk:Croke Park

message: *The "Pitch" section of this article appears to be a verbatum copy of part of this page, which is in breach of the site's copyright terms.  I have removed the offending text. Guinness 14:19, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pitch copyvio 

message: I previously corrected the capacity to 82,300. This is the figure on the official Croke Park website. User Gnevin has since reverted it to 82,500, citing the fact that the wikipedia article says it once had an attendance of 82,500. That is irrelevant. Any stadium capacity figure should be taken where possible from an official club or stadium website Willy turner 18:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Gnevin 18:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Capacity

message: If the Irish pound didn't exist between 1826 and 1928. Why is this the currency used to quote the original construction costs? Fasach Nua 19:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point changing it to what ever it was back then (Gnevin 20:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On a basic google search [] it is throwing up £3,500 STG to purchase the ground, which is where I suspect this figure came from! It is obviously not the construction cost, I have blanked this value until the right number can be found Fasach Nua 21:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Construction Cost

message: Inonsistency with Bloody Sunday (1920) page. That page regards the Auxilary involvement to be a misconception wheras the Croke Park page has the Auxilary as the cause.
To quote:
"The Croke Park Massacre on the afternoon of Bloody Sunday is usually blamed on the Auxiliaries. While the police raiding party was composed in part of Temporary Cadets from Depot Company and commanded by an Auxiliary officer, Major Mills, eyewitness reports make it clear that ordinary police did most of the shooting at Croke Park.[22]"
Inconsistency needs to be addressed.
:I dont see the problem both articles seem to be consistent with each other (Gnevin 01:22, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can they be consistent? One is saying the Auxhiliaries were the cause, the other is saying that the Auxhilary involvement is a misconcption. If the Auxhilaries involvement is a misonception, then surely they were not the cause?!
Is anyone going to deal with this contradiction, or are we just going to ignore it indefinitely?
I propose:
During the Irish War of Independence on November 21, 1920 Croke Park was the scene of a massacre by the Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC). The Police, supported by British Army Auxillaries (Black & Tans) entered the ground, shooting indiscriminately into the crowd killing or fatally wounding 12 during a Dublin-Tipperary gaelic football match. The dead included 11 spectators and Tipperary's captain, Michael Hogan. Posthumously, the Hogan stand built in 1924 was named in his honour. These shootings, on the day which became known as Bloody Sunday, were a reprisal for the assassination of 14 British Intelligence officers, known as the Cairo Gang, by Michael Collins's 'squad' earlier that day.
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It's essentially an edit of the existing text, restored to match Bloody Sunday article. I removed 'massacre' as the dictionary definition is "the indiscriminate killing of a large number of human beings", I edited the dead from the shootings to 12 (2 were trampled) and changed the perpatrators to the Royal Irish Constabulary, without the detail of Mills being in command. If someone wants to know that I'm sure they'll check the full article.
I think the above is more accurate, anyone disagree?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.76.189.10 (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  bloody sunday 

message: Does this mean its the largest amateur ground in Ireland, Europe, the 6 nations or the world?--Play Brian Moore 16:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited that to read 'outside the United States'.  Listened to Micheál O'Muireacheartaigh talking about Croke Park and it's history on, I think Sunday 11th Feb, on RTÉ Radio 1, and he mentioned that it was the largest amateur stadium outide the US.  Unfortunately I can't remember if he mentioned the name of the stadium in the US that's larger, but Googling for "largest amateur stadium" gives this result. Bastun 12:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that National Sports Center link refers to largest acreage rather than spectator capacity. The word amateur is vague when applied to players; when applied to organisations, doubly so.  Given the vagueness, I think the text  should be omitted entirely, or qualified as "is described by X as the largest...". Other contenders include Michigan Stadium (111,000) or Rungrado May Day Stadium (150,000).  There's also Hampden Park, which has held crowds of up to 149,000. jnestorius(talk) 14:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'the largest owned by an amateur organisation'

message: Is Croke Park a national stadium ? Or in other words is Croke Park the  the primary or exclusive home for one or more of a country's national representative sports teams .In my opinion its only the temperory home of Soccer and Rugby and so doesn't pass this def Gnevin (talk) 08:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I'd have to agree with you. The only places you could really say are national stadiums in Ireland are Lansdowne Road, Dundalk Ice Dome, National Basketball Arena, arguably National Stadium (Ireland) and whereever Ireland play cricket, hockey, etc which I can't find. Derry Boi (talk) 09:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Until such time as Landsdowne is open Croke Park is it. It is also the home of the Compromise Rules team, lest ye forget. Sarah777 (talk) 19:22, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh, a technical knock-out, I think! BastunBaStun not BaTsun 19:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bastun, I sincerely hope you are not...eh....pulling my chain. Sarah777 (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  Its certainly the "primary" (if not necessarily exclusive - but it only needs to be one of them) home for International Rules football. BastunBaStun not BaTsun 23:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: National stadium

message: The article mention future work, but does anyone know what changes in capacity this would result in? Lord Cornwallis (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redevelopment

message: I've changed the capacity to 82,300 according to the GAA website: http://www.crokepark.ie/page/venue_information.html  --HighKing (talk) 00:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Capacity

message: Someone has just added cy:Parc Croke.  Is 'Croke' the correct spelling in Welsh? That's the Anglicised spelling, I would have thought that the name originated in Irish as Crocaigh, so a Welsh translation would surely be closer to that. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Crocaigh is a gaelised spelling of Croke ,I'd say Croke is correct Gnevin (talk) 20:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  On the contrary, a Google search suggests that Croke (in Ireland) actually originates as an Anglicised version of the Irish Cróc, which itself comes from Old Norse Krokr.  However if Parc Croke is what's actually used in Welsh then that's what they should call the article; making their own translation would be OR and breach commonname. Tameamseo (talk) 10:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi guys. This conversation should really be happening on the CY project. If there is an issue with the title of an article on that Wiki, it should be addressed with a move/rename request on that Wiki. Discussing it here isn't going result in any change... Cheers Guliolopez (talk) 10:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've mentioned and linked to this conversation over at the Welsh page. Derry Boi (talk) 11:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Welsh spelling

message: I was at the celebration in Croke Park last night along with 80,000 other souls. Not a bad attendance for a very wintry Saturday night (especially at the top of the Hogan where the wind would cut you). Aside from the match (which was superb), the fireworks, lights, concerts and everything made Croker look last night like it has never looked before. Does anybody have photos of it that they could add to this article? That would be a fantastic addition. My photos were taken with my phone so they would be a bit crap for this article to be honest. There must be brilliant photos! 86.42.73.225 (talk) 19:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 125th Anniversary: photos?

message: It is surely wrong to say that the Croke Park 'bloody Sunday' shootings were 'in reprisal' for anything.
'In reprisal' sounds as if the deaths were planned and the deaths premeditated. 
Nothing in the Wikipedia main bloody Sunday article, or any other source, suggests that the deaths were planned or premeditated. What happened looks more like a classic balls up by frightened policemen on a day when many other people had already been killed by the IRA - deaths which were premeditated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.0.208 (talk) 20:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: More seriously, what does it need to make this article a "B"? Sarah777 (talk) 22:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Reprisal?

message: I have reverted addition of concerts that have not yet taken place, but there are several editors continuing to add the Chilli Peppers event next June.  I would argue against this inclusion: this is an encyclopaedia of facts, not a listing magazine, and the frequency of concert cancellation is such that it is difficult to say more than that this is scheduled.  I would maintain therefore that it should not be in the article until it occurs, or at least that, if retained, it should be in a separate table.  Opinions?  Kevin McE (talk) 08:08, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Future concerts

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