Talk:Mao Zedong/Archive 3

message: This seems to be developing into a very nice article. However, I would find it very helpful if there were a section on Mao Zedong's Marxist theory. He's listed as a Marxist theorist in the Marxism section (that's how I got here), yet there's no section on his contributions, differences, etc. I'm putting this here because it doesn't really fit in any of the subsections.
--JECompton 22:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh... try Maoism. Colipon+(T) 05:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marxist Theory 

message: I was reading MacLeans today, there's apparently a new book out that Mao killed more people than Hitler or Stalin. Anyone read this book yet? Is it a bunch of opinionated BS or actually valuable? Colipon+(T) 05:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New book 

message: Some sources say 80 million.  Even if you choose to minimize or discount this estimate, he ADMITTED to murdering 800,000 people after he gained power.  Hitler improved Germany's economy, should he be held to some cultist high standard (he is, of course, by modern Nazis, but they are correctly reviled as fringe weirdos)?
:Wanna go back, check your sources, and come back with less opinion and more tangible evidence? Colipon+(T) 17:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Chinese Communist Party that still keeps Mao pickled in a mausoleum and his photo high above Tian'anmen Sq and that declared Mao to be 70% correct puts the figure at about 30 million and you figure they'd be a little on the conservative side with their estimate. LuiKhuntek 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Your way of thinking is from a very western perspective. Dictators are not evaluated by how many people they killed. Dictators can't be "good" or "bad". Mao succeeded in a revolution. He had some bad policies in his late years. I'm no fan of those policies myself, but you have to look at the whole picture. And Mao is more of a symbol than a man to the CPC and many people, that's why he's in a Mausoleum. Colipon+(T) 22:38, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  He Killed 70 million people 

message: What source says 80 million?  Mao: The Unknown Story says 70 million, but fails to explain it.  Higher death-rates in the Three Years of Natural Disasters are treated as equivalent to intentional killings, though only for leaders who are disapproved of.  
The 800,000 'murdered' refers to various landlords and pro-landlord bandits killed by mass meetings of peasants after the Chinese Communists chased out the Kuomintang and declared that landlord power must end.  it was done by the people they had ruled over, not by any party death=list.  Plently of landlords survived, with reduced status.  Most of those killed were killed for specific acts of murder that they were blaimed for.  Some also for having worked with the Japanese during the invasion.
--GwydionM 19:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deaths 

message: "Mao's legacy has produced a large amount of controversy. Most mainland Chinese believe that Mao Zedong was a great revolutionary leader, although he made serious mistakes in his later life. "
Got any independent polls of the Chinese people to back this up? Or are you actually just referring to the offical statements of the Chinese government?
Warm beer 13:24, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed that to "some mainland Chinese" a few days ago - I think you must be thinking of an old version of something. John Smith's 16:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible, just terrible