Talk:People Before Profit

message: article has confused me. It says they won 5 seats in 4 county councils yet i see the 5 seats being in 3 county councils?
Phil Nolte (talk) 12:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: County Councils seats

message: I recently edited this article but refrained from editing one paragraph as I am banned from editing articles which concern the recent Ulster conflict, and some administrators could interpret my editing that paragraph as violating that ban. What I'd like to suggest is that 2007 Stormont elections and West Belfast constituency be linked. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 21:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Snappy (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good stuff. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 16:41, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stormont elections 

message: All-Ireland parties are by definition parties in the ROI. Is the latest category addition really necessary? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 02:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, PBPA can be in both as per Fianna Fail and Sinn Fein. One is not a sub cat of the other, they are both at the same level, so they are both needed. Snappy (talk) 17:10, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 03:24, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: There have been a couple of by-election candidates under the name People Before Profit in England. Does anyone know their relationship with the Irish party? Should this be covered? Bondegezou (talk) 19:31, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: GB candidates

message: The Northern Ireland Assembly Elections took place on 5th May 2016. The counting started on 6th May 2016 but has not yet completed as of 7 May 2016 01:30. Article subject to change.Useriemf (talk) 00:34, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Ireland Assembly Elections 2016

message: I have removed the "United Ireland" stance to reflect the position reflected going into the 2017 Northern Assembly Elections. Irish Times Article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factfixer2113 (talk • contribs) 16:53, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: McCann's piece is convincing, all right, and they can't really be described as having a "United Ireland" ideology if they refuse to declare as nationalist in the NI Assembly. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 19:01, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: They support a united Ireland, that is all that matters. From my understanding they don't declare themselves as nationalists because they believe it to be sectarian. Anyway your individual opinions don't matter Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, of course. They matter equally as little as yours. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:09, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, then why are you giving your own opinion status? Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not my opinion. It's that of the party leader. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:38, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: He never says they don't support a united Ireland, he says something entirely different. Quote him where he says that. Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: How can I quote something he didn't say? What he does say is "We are neither green nor orange but up for the fight."; "One television commentator spluttered these things couldn’t be true, that it was fantasy to suggest that our approach could draw support from, as we say, “both sides”. Eschewing both nationalism and unionism has always implied the mushy politics of the decent middle classes."; "When it comes to the inbuilt blocking mechanism, the Petition of Concern – laying down that, essentially, a majority of each of the nationalist and unionist blocs is required to pass any measure regarded as vital by more than 30 members – simply disregards the presence of “Others.”" Tl;dr: PBP aren't nationalist. QED. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 09:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: How does any of this mean we should exclude united Ireland, something they clearly support from the infobox?Apollo The Logician (talk) 17:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Ireland Stance 

message: The line "The founders were members of pre-existing organisations such as the Socialist Workers Network and the Socialist Party leading to accusations that it is a front for Trotskyism." is incorrect and the source doesn't support it. The Socialist Worker's Party was only renamed the Socialist Worker's Network after the People Before Profit Alliance was set up so that couldn't possibly be the case. On top of that, the source cited is an article talking about the AAA (now Solidarity) which is the one with the relationship to the Socialist Party (unlike PBP). Also is it just me or is "a front for Trotskyism" just bad grammar? The relationship between Solidarity-People Before Profit and the original smaller Trotskyist parties is genuinely notable and interesting so it's disappointing this edit contains misinformation (and not only that, early enough in the article that it shows up in the info box when you Google People Before Profit).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sosialachas (talk • contribs) 09:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trotskyist front 

message: Wikipedia is quick to label a mild right wing party as FAR RIGHT yet an actual trotskyist party is spared of the "far" label? Interesting.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C56:5A7F:FBC1:88AC:8EE4:B190:6734 (talk) 01:28, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  How aren't these fringe people not classed as "far left"? 

message: How should the article describe the political ideology of People Before Profit?
* Option A: "People Before Profit are a Trotskyist political party"
* Option B: "People Before Profit are generally considered a Trotskyist political party"
* Option C: "People Before Profit are sometimes described as a Trotskyist political party"
* Option D: The article should not describe People Before Profit as a Trotskyist party
* Option E: The lead is kept neutral and not weighted in any particular direction or towards any one ideology and simply states "People Before Profit (Irish: Pobal Roimh Bhrabús, PBP) is a political party formed in October 2005."
CeltBrowne (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: How should [[People Before Profit]] be described?

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CeltBrowne (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: , could you maybe refactor your answer above to a single line for the Survey section, and move the rest down here to the Discussion section? Also, procedurally, the standard for an RfC is to leave it open for at least 30 days, so everyone will have time to respond. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: ,  - you're both here long enough to be aware of WP:3RR, and our WP:BRD guidelines. Can both of ye stop edit-warring and discuss, please? Discussion should be here, on this article talk page, not an editor's talk page. Per BRD, the 'original' version should be left in place until consensus emerges (i.e., Asarlaí made the change, it got reverted, so now the proposed change is discussed.)  Please both consider this a 3RR warning. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:37, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring