Talk:Apollo

message: The page states "Apollo is usually described as carrying a golden bow and a quiver of silver arrows."   This is actually wrong in a couple ways: in modern times, Apollo is typically depicted with both a golden bow and golden arrows, as the current association with Apollo and the Sun has led to Apollo accordingly being linked to the color gold (and Artemis, in turn, with silver.) In antiquity, however, Apollo was more commonly depicted as having a silver bow and silver arrows. For example, consider the Iliad, which is one of our better primary sources on ancient Greek mythology https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0134%3Abook%3D1%3Acard%3D33.    
If the page is going to contradict the Iliad's description, then it should have 1) a good citation for the golden bow (currently there is no citation) and a note that descriptions vary, since the Iliad is an exceptionally prominent work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.148.14.162 (talk) 17:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've fudged the sentence in the lead to refer to "a silver or golden bow and a quiver of silver or golden arrows", since a golden bow and golden arrows are referenced in the "Python" subsection. (Refs are usually omitted in the lead for statements referenced elsewhere in an article.) Better now? Deor (talk) 18:18, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I defer to you / other experienced editors. Just wanted to make sure you were armed with the information. 173.66.77.86 (talk) 19:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor error / lack of citiation 

message: Currently the Linear B forms are shown as so: ]pe-rjo-[ and ]𐀟𐁊-[
What are those brackets for? This is distracting. No other article I can find with Linear A/B forms have these backwards brackets, unless its supposed to represent the lacunose form, then someone made this up and it still just distracting since its mentioned right before that the source is that. 97.115.128.32 (talk) 15:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not clear what you want changed. Please make a request in the form "please change X to Y". DDMS123 (talk) 18:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 March 2023 

message: Under "Greco-Roman epithets"...
* Under "Other", remove the redundant instance of Patroos; also remove the now-empty "Other" as a category;
* Under "Place of worship", add 'or from σμίνθος, "mouse", the mouse as bringer of plague and crop destruction' to Smintheushttps://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0104%3Aalphabetic+letter%3DS%3Aentry+group%3D20%3Aentry%3Dsmintheus-bio-1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamaxitus#Apollo_Smintheus. Observation: "Healing and disease" and "Prophecy and truth" are equally valid locations for Smintheus.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mfryc (talk • contribs) 02:00, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2023 

message: Currently our lead has
:On the other hand, Apollo also encouraged the founding of new towns and the establishment of civil constitutions. He is associated with dominion over colonists. He was the giver of laws, and his oracles were consulted before setting laws in a city.
The three sentences seem to be saying the same thing in different ways, at greater length than the body text they should be summarising:
:As god of colonization, Apollo gave oracular guidance on colonies, especially during the height of colonization, 750–550 BCE.
No references are given for the body text either, so before copy-editing the lead, can I check? I do remember accounts of the oracle at Delphi being consulted before colonisation (eg Cyrene, Taras) but have no idea whether that was because Apollo was specifically a/the god of colonisation or constitutions, or simply one of the many things on which Greeks often sought an oracle before proceeding. Can we provide sources for either claim? NebY (talk) 14:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi NebY, added a journal source for his patronage of colonies C0137Hatt (talk) 01:19, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi NebY... not exhaustive by any means and of somewhat "left-handed" intent (undermining the assumptions behind the terminology), but several sources I used for Greek city-state patron gods#Foundation deities deal with this, or at least with questions arising. Those used in the second paragraph of "Foundation deities" are relevant, Detienne in particular. Haploidavey (talk) 08:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, both. The source 's added has "The fiction was maintained that Apollo had initiated the act of colonization and was himself the expedition's divine leader  (archegetes)," which seems to cover our "encouraged" and even "dominion over", though as so many colonies had other patron deities, our "dominion" unqualified seems too strong. Likewise Detienne has Apollo and Hestia as "directly involved in the planning of a new city", Apollo being "known as a founder", "liked to accompany human founders", "patron of the art of city planning", but Hestia presiding over the new prytaneion. I may be skimming too fast; I'm not seeing direct support for the setting of laws. I assume we're talking about the first laws of a colony rather than all subsequent legislation everywhere, but unfortunately the latter is the obvious reading. I guess both need some copy-editing, resulting in a lead that summarises the body. NebY (talk) 23:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonisation and constitutions 

message: I have a couple problems with the belvedere as the main image and as a statue itself, first of all, it looks weird, i mean, what is he reaching his hand out to? Second of all, something is kinda off about the face. Third of all, I think that a less famous statue should get more recognition. Fourth of all, the description is too vague. Ghost Cacus (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To find the answer to your first question, see Apollo Belvedere#Description. He's not "reaching his hand out to" anything; he's holding a bow in his outstretched arm. You can see the bow's grip in his hand. (In this photo, you can't see the quiver of arrows at his back, but there is one.) The bow's limbs, perhaps made of wood, may have originally been in the sculpture but clearly haven't survived. Deor (talk) 18:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Much art has not survived complete; that doesn't make it "weird". "Kinda off" isn't a substantial argument, your third runs contrary to MOS:LEADIMAGE, and the caption length only affects our choice of lead image in that an image that required a lengthy caption could frustrate the purpose of an infobox. NebY (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  My issues with the belvedere as the main image 

message: Are you even trying to be encyclopedic? 2600:4040:53F8:7100:489E:4446:4ECC:ECB (talk) 00:48, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See the thread immediately above. Deor (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   The most Greek of the gods? 

message: ===  Proposed deletion of :Aplu (deity) ===
This is a mesage from my talk page by P Aculeius (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have since removed the passage about "Aplu" from the Origins section of the article. The whole assertion of a Hurrian/Hittite deity named "Aplu" in relation to Apollo appears to be a simple & blatant a case of WP:OR. (The information can seemingly be pinned down to a particular user dating back to 2006, who seems likely to have been the performer of the original research.) — Jamie Eilat (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurrian-Aplu 

message: This is a mesage from my talk page by P Aculeius (talk) 17:02, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have since removed the passage about "Aplu" from the Origins section of the article. The whole assertion of a Hurrian/Hittite deity named "Aplu" in relation to Apollo appears to be a simple & blatant a case of WP:OR. (The information can seemingly be pinned down to a particular user dating back to 2006, who seems likely to have been the performer of the original research.) — Jamie Eilat (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:   [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Aplu (deity)]] 

message: "to append the following section"
Temples of Apollo
Etruscan and Roman temples
The Temple of Mercury at Puy de Dôme is a Gallo-Roman trachyte temple initially built in the in the 1st century BCE and later rebuilt on a larger scale in the 2nd century following its destruction. Situated at the summit of the lava dome in the Auvergne region in central France, this temple was discovered in 1872 during the construction of a meteorological observatory. 
 NimrifJ (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 15:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2024