Talk:Northwest Airlines Flight 255

message: I removed this statement, because it was not accurate:
:There was an electrical failure due to a circuit breaker being tripped, but post-accident testing did not reveal a malfunction of the circuit breaker.
The NTSB was not able to determine the condition of that CB, prior to the crash, becaus it was too badly damaged. They could not tell if the CB was open or closed.  They could only determine that the CAWS was not powered.  This is the replacement text I have inserted:
:The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) provided the evidence regarding the flightcrew omission of the taxi checklist. The stall warning was annunciated. Using the CVR the investigators determined that the aural takeoff warning was not annunciated. The NTSB was unable to determine why there was an electrical power failure to the CAWS.
::"The failure of the takeoff warning system was caused by the loss of input 28V dc. electric power between the airplane’s left dc. bus and the CAWS unit. The interruption of the input power to the CAWS occurred at the P-40 circuit breaker. The mode of interruption could not be determined."
Specifically, the NTSB could not determine if that P-40 CB had been tripped, or intentionally opened, or if electrical current failed to flow thru that CB, to the CAWS, while the CB remained closed.
::"Because the P-40 circuit breaker was badly damaged during the accident, it was impossible for the Safety Board to determine positively its preimpact condition. There were three possible conditions that would have caused power to be interrupted at the P-40 circuit breaker: the circuit breaker was intentionally opened by either the flightcrew or maintenance personnel, the circuit breaker tripped because of a transient overload and the flightcrew did not detect the open circuit breaker, or the circuit breaker did not allow current to flow to the CAWS power supply and did not annunciate the condition by tripping." [Pg. 53 of the report]
EditorASC (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath 

message: i remember reading somewhere that the crew was in a big hurry because of a curfew at john wayne airport in orange county, california -- they were borderline to arrive there in time and would have been re-routed to LAX had they not made it, which was evidently a major hassle. in their haste to get airborne, they screwed up.
anyone have anything on this?
68.108.16.108 (talk) 01:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orange County 

message: I propose that the Cecelia Cichan be merged here. The article is very short and could be accommodated as a section or subsection here without undue weight. It is also encouraged by the fact that Cichan is an individual notable for one event. 86.41.93.214 (talk) 02:29, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree ~ that's why i've nominated Cecelia Cichan for deletion here.  In fact, in theory, it's already been merged here once before, a couple of years ago; most or all of the information that ought to be saved in Northwest Airlines Flight 255 is here already. Cheers, LindsayHi 16:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of [[Cecelia Cichan]] 

message: What about Korean Air Flight 801, which crashed in Guam with 228 casaulties? Yeah, I know Guam isn't a state, but it's still United States territory.76.6.155.76 (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is the fourth Deadliest, because as you just said, Guam is a US territory. It's the fifth-deadliest if you include the September 11th attacks. Tigerdude9 (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth deadliest accident in American history? 

message: "The MD-82 went into a stall and rolled 40 degrees to the left when it struck a light pole near the end of the runway", this is the way the article reads now but nowhere in the NTSB report does it state 40 degrees, it does say the wings rocked back and forth 35 degrees. Opinions? --Daffydavid (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  (I've read the NTSB report, in case you were wondering.) You could always change so it says: "The MD-82 went into a stall and rolled 35 degrees to the left when it struck a light pole near the end of the runway". If you make these edits, explain what you read the NTSB report. That is the the least disruptive way you could edit that part, if you even want to edit it, that is.Tigerdude9 (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

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thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on [[Northwest Airlines Flight 255]] 

message: Someone who has more interest in this article than me should review the addition of the image File:McDonnell Douglas MD-82, Republic Airlines JP6652136.jpg.  Aside from a typo in the caption it seems unnecessary.  I have reverted a lot of this users images from articles today but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Arbalest Mike (talk) 23:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that someone has updated the typo but that there is no comment regarding the photo being here at all. I am removing it on the grounds that 1) there is already one suitable photo 2) this photo is not suitable as it is clearly for a different airline (despite a later merger). Arbalest Mike (talk) 15:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probable inappropriate image added 

message: It feels like we just started calling Cecelia  by her married name with only a small warning that I specified but still looks confusing. We should have segued into it. Should change the article and refer Cecelia by her maiden name, Chichan, to make it sound less confusing and more clear? Or keep the article the same and just continuing referring to her by her married last name? I suggest the first option but I'm just saying! And to be safe, I'm not taking action until I receive answers. Tigerdude9 (talk) 21:28, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Use the name by which she was known at the time of the accident. 80.2.41.198 (talk) 20:29, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize for my late response (I went to summer camp, and then I likely forgot to check back here when I returned from camp, (if I did, then I might vae decided to wait because I still felt unsure) then I started school I'm in 12th grade, and then I finally remembered this section and checked the talk page) but as you can see I finally did it! Tigerdude9 (talk) 14:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we just call Cecelia Chichan by her maiden name? 

message: I went on airliner.net and asked everyone who had a photo of N312RC if it was ok with them to use it, but I have gotten no response from them in a month,so I asked them again, and I still have no response. I could ask the ASN, but I usually save them as a last resort. What should I do? Tigerdude9 (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldnt worry about it, although it would be nice to have an image of the actual aircraft it doesnt really matter and one of the sister ship 311RC is OK to illustrate what it looks like. MilborneOne (talk) 18:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, except checksix.com has a photo of N312RC [] from airliners.net but they removed the copyright stuff, isn't that theft? Tigerdude9 (talk) 20:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because others ignore copyright rules doesnt mean we will, wikipedia takes a strong stance against copyright violation. MilborneOne (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need photos of N312RC 

message: So on check six there a link that downloads the final seconds of the CVR recording in WAV. format. Is that considered free (though i doubt it) and should it be uploaded? Tigerdude9 (talk) 19:33, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  CVR recording 

message: Alright, we've been having a bit of an edit war over whether or not sole survivor Cecelia Cichan should be mentioned by name. So I wanted to create a place where everyone who would like to help improve this article can discuss this. LearyTheSquid (talk) 22:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Cecelia Cichan be mentioned by name? 

message: This probably is an issue due to “Mayday:Air Disasters” being syndicated internationally, but Smithsonian Channel lists the episode for this incident, “Alarming Silence”, as Season 2, Episode 5, first aired in 2012. Revbayer (talk) 22:28, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seasons, Episodes