Talk:Abdul Alhazred

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message: Someone redirected the link meant to give information on Lovecraft's ancestry to a NYTimes article on trolls.  I'm too lazy to find the original link, so could someone else?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.214.138.218 (talk) 23:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
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message: What was the invisible creature supposed to be? A shoggoth? One of those half-children of Yog-Sothoth? I never figured that out. 71.195.86.253 (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
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message: Note on Abdul Alhazred: though such a form of the name would not be found in the original Arabic, in later medieval translations of the text (into Latin, etc.) you would expect the proper form of the name to be corrupted, as they pretty much invariably were corrupted in other Arab name cases. You can look upon Lovecraft's 'Abdul Alhazred' as the later medieval form of the name. It's probably not simply a case of Lovecraft mixing up his Arabic. Alexander 007 08:59, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean like Alhazen or Alfarabius. That is what TV Tropes would call Fridge Brilliance. Of course that website did not exist when you made that comment, over a decade ago. Maybe someone will add to this "conversation" in 2025.--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 04:46, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Abdul Alhazred

message: I'm arab. The name "Abdul AlHazred" could not exist because of two reasons:
1) The grammatic nature of the name is incorrect. The word "Abdul" consists of "Abd" + "Al". In Arabic, they're mixed to form the word "Abdul". So if we wrote the name in the original grammatic form, it would be "Abd Al Al Hazred". And this is totally wrong.
(by the way, "Abd" means "Slave" while "Al" means "The" - in English)
2) Al Hazred was known to have lived in the "Ammawi" era, i.e. During Islam. Thus, he could never be named "Abd Al Hazred" as this would be a clear denial of his belief in Allah, the name of God in Islam.
The most suggested name is: Abdullah Al Hazred.
[Abdullah = Abd + Allah] = The slave of God
[Al Hazred] is just another surname.
The other curtain thing is that Al Hazrad is the real author of "The Necronomicon", and not Lovecraft or any other person Haisook (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2005
:Curtain?  Oh certain cer-tain.  Look thanks for the language lesson but you seemed to have missed the memo.  THERE IS NO "REAL" NECRONOMICON!   128.206.104.82 (talk) 18:36, 22 February 2006
::Ok First, Whoever is the genius who thinks there is no Necronomicon, you need to do more research. ::Second, Abdul Alhazred could be his real name, seeing as how he did not share the belief in Allah as one would have you imagine. For those of you who need to brush up on your research, I suggest:
::1.) Donald Tyson's " Necronomicon, The Wanderings of Alhazred"
::2.) Simon's "Dead Names: Dark History of the Necronomicon"
::3.) Simon's "The Gates of the Necronomicon"
::and before you jump to conclusions, why dont you read the book for yourself?! 4.68.249.1 (talk) 12:24, 19 February 2007 
:::Because 10 minutes of research reveals that Lovecraft was the first person to mention the Necronomicon.  There are no earlier references, and Lovecraft said many times that it is a book of his own invention. 216.26.131.217 (talk)  05:46, 21 April 2007 
While you're translating the name, what about "Hazred"? Does that have any meaning in Arabic? It quite possibly might not (since by Lovecraft's own admission it was a name he used for himself as a child) but if it did, that would probably be good information to add to the article.  140.198.155.85 (talk)  09:37, 22 March 2007 
I have read an article on the subject of Abdul Alhazreds name (and names in Lovecraftian Mythos in general) from the 4th edition of the rulebook for Call of Cthulhu. While I know this may not be a valid source, the (ficitional) writer of the document claimed that the name of "Abdul Alhazred" doesn't make sense and the real name was "Abd Al-Azred", meaning "Worshipper of the Devourer"´, and that the name has then changed over time by mistakes done by the various "translators". 
While none in Arabia in that time would name anyone "Worshipper of the devourer" it can be believed that abd(ul) changed his name later on when he 'realized the truth' about the universe.
Again, I point out that this is a belief issued by the author of CoC and thus may not be a valid source, more a theory.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.32.37.3 (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither.  It's a game.  It's fiction, based on fiction.  It's not a reliable source for research.  Do you consult the rules for Candy Land while writing an encyclopedia article on chocolate manufacturing?  It makes for a better gaming atmosphere to say that the name means "Worshipper of the Devourer", but it has even less basis in fact than the character himself.  I'd like to point out that the morphemes azrad and hazred/hazrad are the same and have the same meaning.  To jump from "Servant of the Great Lord" (and "the Prohibited" is a bit of a stretch; the sense of hazrat is of exerting control, over an area or a set of objects, thus it can mean a warlord or the area acquired/controlled by him, it has nothing to do with "forbidden knowledge" as the editor was implying) to "Worshipper of the Devourer" takes a deliberate effort to spin the meaning.  The authors of CoC were deliberately equating "great lord" with "Great Old One" or something similar, whereas no such interpretation is linguistically valid. 71.200.138.188 (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Hazred's true name 

message: Those aren't REAL NECRONOMICONS ya douche. Those are just objects of "white collar writers" capitalizing on the infamy of the actual (yet FICTIONAL!!!) tome. And if any of you backwards retards, who keep on insisting that there is a real necronomicon, want to challenge me then I suggest you check this link out, link title 
(UTC) Anonymous 00:01, MAR., 19, 07
:SUre there was, just like jedi's are real ;) Sneaking Viper (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WRONG!!!! 

message: I can find no reliable source to substantiate the following:
The term "Mad Arab" in reference to Alhazred is always capitalised and used in the manner of an official title such as another person would be called "Prince" or "Sir" and the term can actually be used in lieu of Alhazred's name as a synonym.
The references I've seen (such as Daniel Harms' The Encyclopedia Cthulhiana and Anthony Pearsall's The Lovecraft Lexicon) mention the "mad Arab" Abdul Alhazred (note that "mad" is lowercase), but say nothing about this moniker being an "official title". In fact, the story that introduces Abdul, "The Nameless City", also uses the lowercase form: "mad Arab". Abdul is also variously referred to as the "mad poet". I suspect that whoever added this piece of information simply made the assumption that "Mad Arab" was some sort of official designation. However, since no sources are cited, it reads like original research.-,-~R'lyehRising~-,- 22:58, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from article 

message: Under the section, "HP Lovecraft," is the following phrase: "In 730, while still living in Damascus, Alhazred supposedly wrote a book of ultimate evil in Arabic, al-Azif, which would later become known as the Necronomicon."
I'm fairly sure Lovecraft never referred to the Necronomicon as "a book of ultimate evil."  This should be cited or removed. 0x539 (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd Phrase - Shall we remove it? 

message: John Dee translated Necronomicon into English in 1571... and he says "it was written by Alhazred". Böri (talk) 16:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlikely, as the Necronomicon is a fictional book first mentioned in the works of H.P. Lovecraft in the 1920s. --McGeddon (talk) 13:08, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: NOT a fictional book! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JKQUd-lTVkg/TA6dj4VgwPI/AAAAAAAACNI/5i7yAUHZabA/s1600/necronomicon02.jpg Böri (talk) 07:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that's the frontispiece to the 1978 George Hay hoax edition (described here). --McGeddon (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT a fictional character!