Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Airline destination lists

message: I've been using the official UN-recognized names for countries, since those will avoid any controversy as to which version of the name should be used. Dbinder 22:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Country Names

message: #Fill in missing airports
#Resolve listing issues
#*Azores
#*Canary Islands
#Make sure we have all airports with commerical service listed (and only those airports; not general aviation-only ones)
#Announce list is ready to use in WP:AIRLINES
#Add red linked airports to the nedeed list in WP:AIRPORTS
Strike through if you think the item is completed.  Add mising items to the end of the list
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Please feel free to modify the above list of open isues as needed.  I think we need to know what work we have left so that someone is working on those items. I'm sure I'm missing something.  Vegaswikian 19:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: I added a small section about how to list hubs, focus cities, seasonal service and begin and end of service dates.  I think these are not going to be a problem, but if there are objections we can discussion/adjust.  Vegaswikian 00:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  other information 

message: Is everyone happy with the following entries:
*Ohio (For Cincinnati, see Kentucky)
:Under Kentucky the entry is Cincinnati, Ohio (Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport)
*Virginia
**Washington, D.C. suburbs
***(Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport)
***(Washington Dulles International Airport)
:Vegaswikian 05:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some questions 

message: The Canada Flight Supplement and the Water Supplement only list three aerodromes for Whistler and none of these are listed as "Whistler Airport". One is a water aerodrome and the other two are heliports. So I linked it to Whistler/Green Lake Water Aerodrome as I am pretty sure that is the correct one. However it may be Whistler (Municipal) Heliport. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 09:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whistler Airport

message: How should we handle airports in disputed areas? Should they be listed under the country that legally controls the land or separately as a disputed area? Since I've been going in order through the list, I'm at Morocco, which presents the problem of Western Sahara. Gaza airport was destroyed, so there aren't any airports in Palestine that I know of. There is an airport in Abkhazia, however (although it might not have service right now since all surrounding countries have blockaded them). Back to Western Sahara; this is more difficult, since there is no overwhelming sentiment in either direction. Some countries recognize Morocco's claim, whereas others recognize it as independent. Dbinder (talk) 13:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed territory

message: How should Hong Kong and Macau be listed? Should they be under China or under separate headings? I lean towards the separate headings, since they are largely independent from the mainland government. Dbinder (talk) 12:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go for China instead, actually.  --Nehwyn 20:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PRC SARs

message: I have created a nav template  outline for splitting the list.  Feel free to jump in and fix the colors and the layout.  For now, just use the country names as they appear in the TOC.  When it comes time to split the article, I'll do the split and update the links to point to the correct place.  Again, this is a rough draft to work towards a final version.  Vegaswikian 05:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be useful to keep all of them in one list, e.g. monitoring recent changes. What about requesting a WikiProject or a Portal to adopt this list and moving it out of the main namespace? — Instantnood 10:38, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The AfD discussion supported splitting since the article.  As it stands is over the desired limit for one article. I think it is around 200K now.  As far a I know we generally follow the recomendations from AfD discussions.  Vegaswikian 06:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it should be split, but I also think it should either be renamed to List of airports with commercial service or moved to project space. DB (talk) 15:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we can look into splitting the article by continent or region, maybe hemisphere... no, wait, that's not a good idea, continent works fine... North America + Caribbean (including Central America) South America (unless someone wants Central included here), Africa, Europe, Middle East, Asia, Australia and Oceania or South Pacific, the technicalities can be worked out later, but we can split them up by continent and have this list just be a link to each of those articles and have this article contain a summary or encyclopedic notation about commercial airports and how the commercial airline industry works, this will avoid it becoming AFDed again, and it'll look more than just a bunch of little lists. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 07:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  is being updated as you write.  I just finished Oceania while you were writing your reply.  Once the template is complete we can then split the article.  Vegaswikian 08:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: SmthManly made an important point. While we do need a split for obvious reasons, do note that splitting by continents can also run into issues with disagreements over continental dividing lines. The above split looks fine, except for "Middle East", which is never a continent, and is not advisable for its fluid boundaries which easily traverse three geographical continents.--Huaiwei 08:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for Egypt, the Middle East is basically Southwest Asia, so I think those countries should stay there, with Egypt in Africa. DB (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stay in Middle East or Southwest Asia?--Huaiwei 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we'd be better off using the major cultural areas rather than the geographical ones, a person looking for airports in Saudi Arabia will be more includined to look in Middle East than Asia, and some people might not consider the Middle East as Asia, but everyone knows it as the Middle East, just a thought. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 03:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the country level, all of the countries will be listed in the nav template.  That should help readers find what they are looking for.  Today you can enter the country in your browsers search finction to find it.  That will not change at the country level with the nav template.  Take a look at what is there today to see how it should look.  More countries for the other continents need to be added, but it is getting closer.  Vegaswikian 06:25, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I strongly disagree. There is little justification to keep just one "cultural continent", when all others follow geographical classifications. It is purely subjective to say that users will look for Saudi Arabia under Middle East but not Asia. You probably wont find a user attempting to look for it under Europe or Africa if they are presented with a list of continents minus the Middle East, so I would say the division is quite clear cut. Please also note the way most other topics are being classified by region, the vast majority of which follow strictly geographical definitions, most likely due to its "more NPOV" nature.--Huaiwei 15:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Resetting indent... I meant the Middle Eastern countries except Egypt should go under Southwest Asia. Maybe the heading should be "Southwest Asia (Middle East)", so people looking for either can find it. If we divide by continent, then I don't think Middle East should be separate. It's a region, but it's definitely not a continent. DB (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember that once we do the initial split, we can always create articles at the country level.  If that is done, then other logical groups of countries can also be created and either added to the template or included on a second template.  We have options at that point. Vegaswikian 04:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There has been similar discussions before over Middle East/Southeast Asia elsewhere, and it has been pointed out that we cannot write "Southwest Asia (Middle East)" or "Southwest Asia/Middle East" or anything similar, because they are not the same. An encylopedia should not be committing the same factual error as ill-informed laymen.--Huaiwei 04:06, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then just keep it as Southwest Asia. That's what it is now. DB (talk) 04:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template to split artilce 

message: Can you guys stop the edit warring? (this means both of you). It's getting really annoying. DB (talk) 06:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Warring

message: The current afd nomination is calling this a restatement of list of airports. While it isn't really, I can kind of see where they're coming from. Since this is intended mainly as a guideline for destinations lists in airline articles, I think it should be moved to project space. DB (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support with a split to reduce the size. Vegaswikian 23:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I say we split the page by continent. The subdivisions of each continent (it seems that Europe and Oceania produce the biggest arguments) can be decided as we go. DB (talk) 00:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested split

message: Why cant the two be listed with their full titles "Special Administrative Region" because they are not mainland cities under full mainland rule, continue listing them in China rather than separatley but they should be allowed to carry the full title in the list, giving their true status full respect.
Why is West Asia being addressed as Southwest Asia? should Russia and some of the former republics of USSR lying in West Asia be listed under Northwest Asia, makes more sense, or just collectively let them all be called West Asia including Middle East region.
All of Russia is not European, central and eastern parts of the country should be listed in Asia, under Central Asia, or North Asia.
Destination list format should be modified to enable less use of space, which may also help in saving bandwidth. This is especially better for airline articles which list the destinations in the airline article main page rather than separately, but it could also be adopted for the seperate destination pages too. It looks compact and neater as well.
In the suggested format airports for every destination needent be added, it would be like shown below.
United Kingdom - Birmingham, London (Heathrow), Manchester, Newcastle.
In Case of morethan one airport being served it would be as.
United Kingdom - Birmingham, London (City, Heathrow, Stansted), Manchester, Newcastle.
Do consider these suggestions.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.70.148.58 (talk) 19:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hong Kong and Macau, West Asia, Russia, destination list format, Airports

message: Some of the past/former destinations lists created, are so lengthy they are clashing with the main article of that airline destinations such as in Aeroflot destinations a ruling needs to brought about regarding this.
I suggest past destinations be listed in this format Lufthansa destinations. Its concise and will do away with unecessary use of bandwidth and not spoil the main article either. (202.38.58.8 19:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Past destinations

message: I wonder if it would make sense to create a standard template for the airline destination lists, in order to get moving towards a generic new design? I would propose something around the Dragonair destinations template.COM Lampe (talk) 16:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving to new design?

message: Please note that linking to headers is not encouraged by our style guidelines. I have changed the set list accordingly. Please refer to Wikipedia:ACCESS#Links. Thanks. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking