Talk:Casablanca (film)

message: *There needs to be a reference to "Overdrawn at the Memory Bank" and "Barb Wire". They were heavily influenced by "Casablanca".
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdrawn_at_the_Memory_Bank
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barb_Wire_(film)
75.142.144.88 (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Overdrawn is already listed in the "Influence on later works" subsection. I believe Barb Wire was too at some point. Somebody must have deleted it. It wasn't that good, apparently. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

text: This discussion is a repeat of Talk:Casablanca (film)/Archive 1#Influences on other films. DrKay (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a reference to Barb Wire in "Influence on later works". American In Brazil (talk) 18:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barb Wire 

message: The German version is interesting.  According to https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Enzyklop%C3%A4die_der_popul%C3%A4ren_Irrt%C3%BCmer/_Kultur
'Casablanca: Humphrey Bogart sagte: „Schau mir in die Augen, Kleines!“
Dieses Zitat stammt aus einer frühen Synchronfassung des legendären Films mit Humphrey Bogart und Ingrid Bergman. In der neueren sagt Rick: „Ich seh dir in die Augen, Kleines!“ Im englischen Original lautet der Satz „Here's looking at you, Kid!“. Diesen Satz sagt Rick jedesmal, während er Ilsa mit einem Drink zuprostet und bedeutet, dass er auf ihr Wohl trinkt. Aus der deutschen Fassung „Ich schau dir in die Augen, Kleines“, die dem englischen Ausdruck fast Wort für Wort entspricht, seinen Sinn aber völlig entstellt, lässt sich schließen, dass das originale Manuskript in zwei Stufen übersetzt worden sein muss. Der erste Übersetzer fertigte eine Wort-für-Wort Übersetzung an, in die ein zweiter Übersetzer versuchte einen Sinn zu bringen; vermutlich ohne den Film zu kennen. Einigen Aussagen zufolge ist auch das englische Original falsch. Im Drehbuch soll demnach „Here's good luck for you“ gestanden haben, ein Trinkspruch, den Bogart vernuschelt und so sinnentstellt habe.'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.34.85.137 (talk) 08:56, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. It (singular since there's really only one misquote) has nothing to do with the writing process during the production, and the subsection is in the production section. However, "Here's looking at you, kid" isn't a misquote, so I'm going to move that. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @Clarityfiend  You make a good point: that the 'misquotes' were not a part of the writing process. However, I was not suggesting incorporating the "Misquotes" into the "Writing" section, but rather moving "Misquotes" under "Writing" since that would make the distinction between the script and later misquotations a bit clearer (I assume, an important point for "Clarityfiend"). Also, by placing "Misquotes" at the end, where it is now, the article does not so much 'finish' on a clean break but rather just stops. It seems to me that, stylistically, the "Misquotes" section belongs under "Writing" section without any change in text. American In Brazil (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That still leaves it in the Production section. It's better where it is, under Anecdotes and inaccuracies; in fact, it could possibly should be merged into that section. P.S. I moved a big chunk of text out of that section into Writing. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been WP:BOLD and merged the sections. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misquotes 

message: At best, this item is an implausibility, not an inaccuracy. Should it be removed? Clarityfiend (talk) 19:32, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific in terms of what item you're referring to? Thanks! DonIago (talk) 19:54, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "According to Harmetz, the usual route out of Germany ... was not via Morocco and Lisbon but via Vienna, Prague, Paris and England ..." Clarityfiend (talk) 07:12, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escape route 

message: for consideration to add under "Cancelled sequels and other versions"
It seems the film sold through YouTube in 2019 is slightly different from any edit I have seen and I am searching for confirmation and clarification of how these differences came to pass. There is a minor bit of dialog that is not in the canonical version and the graphics of the opening sequence are different as are many edits of scene transitions. These findings are from my own observation and my research has not found discussion or notated surveys of discrepancies. I feel this should be included here once there is more explanation available.Paul61877 (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official YouTube Alternative Edit 

message: This is a wonderful film, but there is an incident of casual racism, when Ilsa asks” who is the boy at the piano?” Sam is an adult man, not a boy. Otherwise the film seems to treat Sam’s character with respect. However, the fact that Ilsa referred to him in this term, bothers me a bit. But It seems that Ilsa has to “play a part” and not let on that she recognizes and values Sam as a full and talented human being. So, I guess I will forgive the screenwriters for putting these words in Ilsa’s mouth. Everyone in Casablanca had to play a part, to escape the notice of the Master Race flunkies.
Also, where is the bottle of Champagne that Renault orders? Why is the “Spanish singer” playing the guitar (solely on the neck, like Eddie Van Halen) in such an odd manner? Bless, her, she certainly doesn’t need the few tiny chord/strums  to accompany her lovely voice.  Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  As much as I love this film... 

message: Much as I love this movie I must recognize it as propaganda due to its message and its timing. Propagandistic elements include:
1. unflattering depictions of Vichy France and of course Nazi Germany (as if either was likely to be seen sympathetically)
2. introduction of a wide array of people who could be victims of the Nazis
3. depiction of a self-pitying Rick Blaine who forgets that he has cause to be thankful for being an America as someone needing correction for such
4. early small victories for the Allied side (The Marseillaise drowning out Die Wacht am Rhein)
Obviously no American movie from the first few months of World War II that addressed international issues involving the war was going to say anything sympathetic about Nazis or the Third Reich. 
It is the third point that is special, and "be proud and thankful that you are American enough that you will fight for it" is a clear message. Maybe people had their doubts before Pearl Harbor, but if they still had those, those needed to be banished, and fast. Propaganda can be distinguished achievement, and it can be subtle. Maybe such is more unlikely than crude expressions that are embarrassments after the fact or must be seen in context to be tolerable (let us say the cartoon "Tokio Jokio"). That propaganda is a cinematic masterpiece (as is Battleship Potemkin) makes it less blatant. It is intended to promote a political position, which makes it no less propaganda than something ugly or incompetent.
I introduced the idea that Casablanca is propaganda in the article on Propaganda.
Pbrower2a (talk) 20:04, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda 

message: The entry states: "Laszlo orders the house band to play La Marseillaise" I thought it was Yvonne rather than Laszlo.
:No, it was Laszlo. Why would Yvonne do such a thing? Youtube has several clips showing Laszlo doing the deed. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Laszlo tells them to play. Rick nods to the band and gives his approval. MartinezMD (talk) 15:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  As memory serves me, a minor detail 

message: The medals Claude Rains wears are the World War I Victory Medal, the WW I Commemoration Medal and the WW I Legion of Honor.  Whenever Major Strasser asks who will win WW II everybody acts like they don't know, yet there's Claude Rains flashing his victory medals, flash, flash, glint, glint.  Since this movie was directed by Michael Curtiz this was obviously deliberate.  I think this should be noted in the article.  98.238.220.212 (talk) 19:23, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Has a reliable source discussed it? DonIago (talk) 00:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals make witty statement