Talk:Pinkerton (detective agency)

message: Founding of Pinkerton National Detective Agency in 1850 is dubious - a 1914 letterhead states this - but Library of Congress says circa 1852.  Pinkerton was a shameless self-publicist and may have airbrushed his brother out of the history of the company.  See: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/8980/the_early_pinkertons_main.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.152.107 (talk • contribs) 
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thread_title: Founding of Pinkerton National Detective Agency

message: Shouldn't the article mention how modern day Pinkerton Investigations treats it's employees?  Not very well I can assure you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.119.114.46 (talk • contribs) 
 Shouldn't the article also mention the service of one Frederick Abberline, a former policeman of Scotland yard fame who after retiring went on to serve in the Pinker ton Agency.....Though it is not through his service to Scotland Yard that makes him worthy of a mention, it was that he WAS the officer in charge of the Jack the Ripper case that warrants that! Im pretty much betting that the pinkerton agency itself, in all its history, has no case bigger than the Jack the Ripper case, so this should in theory make Abberline its most famous member!!English n proud (talk) 23:55, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't the article mention 

message: If I had a dime for every time someone suggested something on a talk page and that suggestion was ignored.  If you want to make an edit.  Make it yourself.  No one will take up the cause and edit the page for you.Travb 00:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't write about it here, do the edits yourself

message: :Don't you think it should be noted in the first section that the Homestead strikers were the ones who attacked the Pinkertons, and not the other way around in. It also doesn't mention that the Pinkertons took casualties themselves?
:I would also suggest a "neutrality disputed" banner at the top of the page. It seems to favor the unionists. (I don't know how to perform this action myself, which is why I am not editing the page). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.161.229 (talk • contribs) 
::User:24.21.161.229 obviously never read what I wrote just above him: Don't write about it here, do the edits yourself.  
::I am going to rewrite this page completly in the next couple of days, not waste my time asking someone to do it for me on the talk page,  but unfortunatly, not as User:24.21.161.229 wants, I am going to expand on the history of the Pinkertons supression and dirty tricks. Travb 11:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Homestead strikers 

message: Anon (72.135.35.51) added the following text:
:It consisted of murderers, scums and thugs.
This sentence is completly inappropriate.
In addition, the anon added the following:
:One of the main service of the Agency was to organize judicial plots, instigations and conspiracies against the trade unions. The Agency was hired by owners of Railroads, Factories, Mines, etc. to incriminate prominent members of the trade unions for cases of murder, explosions, robberies etc.   
:A famous case, in which the Pinkerton Agency was involved, is the exploitation of the murder of Frank Steunenberg by Harry Orchard to accuse the leaders of the Western Federation of Miners. The plot was mainly organized by James McParland, a Pinkerton agent. 
Although I agree with this users POV, the paragraphs need to be written in a NPOV manner, and the bold text needs to be changed.  In addition, some of the material is already contained in the article:
:During  the labor unrest of the late 19th century, businessmen hired Pinkerton guards to keep strikers and suspected unionists out of their factories.
Signed:Travb (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New additions of anon

message: Pinkertons are often referred to ominously or with contempt in the popular HBO series Deadwood. In season 3, originally aired during 2006, they entered the storyline, hired by the character of George Hearst.
The last editor said they were in all three seasons...someone is incorrect. Travb (talk) 18:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, they were.  Not Pinkerton "Detectives" themselves, but there was a woman who was a Pinkerton agent, and they were referenced throughout the first and second seasons. JorgeMacD 06:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead wood

message: Although it is likely there were Pinkertons involved in much of the history relating to mining in West Virginia, the movie Matewan was based upon the interactions of the miners' union, the chief of police, and the Baldwin-Felts Detective Agency, which operated in a manner similar to the Pinkertons. Richard Myers 04:16, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matewan and Pinkertons 

message: An editor just attempted to make the same edit suggested by 24.21.161.229 above (diff) but I reverted (diff). The current text has good summary style now, and refers readers to the longer article on the Homestead strike which fully explains the various perspectives on the conflict. In my view it's better to keep it short & refer per SUMMARY than bloat out this article again on Homestead. --Lquilter (talk) 21:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Homestead strike

message: It would be great to have information on the Pinkerton Company in recent times -- or, rather, through the twentieth century. After all, the company has existed up through 2001 when it was acquired by Securitas AB. Perhaps someone who's invested in this article can tackle that challenge. ask123 (talk) 14:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I made a start, with a 'Modern era' section, including from this source.  You could take it further, from that article alone. Onanoff (talk) 18:49, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinkerton Company in recent times 

message: I note that someone just anonymously deleted the entire In Popular Culture section. Not that i will miss it. However, someone might wish to use it to create a separate article, and then link to that. The information may be useful to someone, but a very long IPC section (as this one was) tends to overwhelm an article with trivial information that is best left out of a main article, IMO. 
Oh, and for whoever did the deed, i think in the future such massive deletions ought to be mentioned on the TALK page when they are committed. Richard Myers (talk) 05:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an interesting point I'd like to address.  There seems to be some -- at a loss for a better word, snobbery where a popular culture section is concerned.  Some articles have them -- and lengthy ones at that! -- while others shun and delete them entirely.  Why?  What is the problem with a popular culture section?  If anything, it might bring the attention to a subject that might have otherwise been obscure and forgotten.  I didn't even know what "Pinkerton" was before hearing it in season 2 of "Deadwood," and even then wasn't sure what it meant until reading it again in Arthur Conan Doyle's Valley of Fear.  I think IPC sections are harmless if done selectively (unlike the joke IPC featured in an XKCD strip, referring to uses of "wood"), and when done right, they can also be educational, and can help cross-reference other articles to prevent orphaning.  I'd really like to discuss this issue with someone, the resistance to IPC sections, which doesn't seem to be across the site or have any kind of general rule.  --Magmagirl (talk) 22:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture 

message: Can some context be added to this section?  I'm sure there is more to the story than a memorial to three dead guys... which is all this is right now.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 15:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago "Special Officers" & Watchman 

message: It says here "... resulted in a fight in which 16 men were killed (7 Pinkertons and 9 Strikers) ..."
In the "Andrew Carnegie" page it says " ... in a fight in which 10 men—seven strikers and three Pinkertons—were killed ..."
Because I don't know the correct numbers I can't edit any of the two pages.
213.73.119.167 (talk) 17:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hard to tell, because the Carnegie page doesn't have a citation for the number killed, but it's probably going by a report made the day of the strike and published the day after, which listed 10 men dead.  At least one source, Krause, listed in the Homestead Strike page, indicates that at least one of the wounded (as far as I read) died in the hospital.  This would account for a discrepancy.  IMHO (talk) 00:33, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homestead Strike - content contradiction to Wikipedia page "Andrew Carnegie - Homestead Strike" 

message: I removed a reference to a suit brought by a Scott Cole & Associates on behalf of employees against Securitas.  The complaint makes no reference to the Pinkerton agency under Securitas and thus doesn't belong here.  Also, this section makes it sound like Securitas formed from the merger of Pinkerton and Burns, but the Securitas page is clear that the already existing company acquired the other two, though I'm not up for that rewrite myself.  IMHO (talk) 08:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed reference to lawsuit against Securitas 

message: Shouldn't the article also mention the service of one Frederick Abberline, a former policeman of Scotland yard fame who after retiring went on to serve in the Pinker ton Agency.....Though it is not through his service to Scotland Yard that makes him worthy of a mention, it was that he WAS the officer in charge of the Jack the Ripper case that warrants that! Im pretty much betting that the pinkerton agency itself, in all its history, has no case bigger than the Jack the Ripper case, so this should in theory make Abberline its most famous member!!English n proud (talk) 00:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frederick Abberline, Investigator of the Jack the Ripper murders and Pinkerton member later. 

message: In 1895 detective Frank Geyer tracked down the three murdered Pitezel children leading to the eventual trial and execution of the United States' first known serial killer H. H. Holmes. His story is told in his self-written book, The Holmes-Pitezel Case.[12] Pinkertons had previously apprehended Holmes in 1894 in Boston on an outstanding warrant for insurance fraud perpetrated in Chicago.
Is this meant to say that he tracked down the murderer of these children? Currently it is actually saying he tracked down the children?
The addition of "killer of" may rectify this. To read "tracked down the killer of the three".
Unless i've got this wrong?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.254.249.166 (talk) 18:15, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detective Frank P Geyer 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Please delete the words "and recruit goon squads to intimidate workers." This is editorial and factually accurate.
During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, and recruit goon squads to intimidate workers. Prakov-pinkerton (talk) 21:31, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: .  This doesn't seem particularly editorial.  Please establish a consensus on the talk page first before making this request.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:04, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: So, there's a sentence in the article called that reads > in 1892 that led to a national outcry against the Pinkerton Detective Agency.[22]
Apparently, that's "Antkowiak, Bruce (2011). "The Pinkerton Problem". heinonline.org. Retrieved April 21, 2022." but looking at that source (https://www.pennstatelawreview.org/115/3/115%20Penn%20St.%20L.%20Rev.%203.607.pdf) I can't find any mention at all of labor unions, strikes, Homestead, Carnegie, or anything else that would indicate the source is at all relevant to how it is cited here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:F6C:65E:149D:8A7D:6536:E048:40A7 (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 22