Talk:Om mani padme hum

message: There is a contradiction between this article and the article 'Mantra', and the latter seems to be right. Here the traditional interpretation (jewel in the lotus) is ascribed to Donald Lopez, but in the other article Lopez is said to be the scholar who rejected it and replaced it by his own new interpretation (Manipadma as a personal name). 85.212.129.97 20:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lopez has a long an detailed discussion of the word manipadme. He does 'reject' it he places it in context and shows that it was originally a Tibetan interpretation, but that the Dalai Lama has adopted it. mahaabaala (talk) 09:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of the mantra 

message: I created and uploaded an image :Image:Om-mani-padme-hum-mantra.svg to replace the JPEG mani-mantra image currently used, as a vector transcription of that image -SVG is often preferable. Would this be more suitable than :Image:Mani mantra.jpg? Nihiltres(t.c.s) 04:02, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest image 

message: Can we have some sources? Otherwise I'll delete them.  Most of them seem unnecessary and use poor English, not to mention that they were unregistered.
Jmlee369 11:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety data for practising 

message: Why is the page truncated  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.23.210.203 (talk) 04:41, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. This is really useful stuff. I'll try to go through the online material when I get a chance and try to find the books when I get back to school in a month. --Gimme danger (talk) 06:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's happening....??? 

message: I took off the qualification that this was the "most famous Buddhist chant" because it is doubtful that it is. Chinese Buddhism rarely if ever refers to Om Mani Padme Hume and there are a lot more Chinese Buddhist followers than Tibetan Buddhist followers. The qualification was possibly written by someone who lives in the West where Tibetan Buddhism has some popularity.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.146.12.104 (talk) 03:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the most famous Buddhist chant 

message: I would like to read his article. How can I get it? He has also written two books, .
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.30.166 (talk) 14:46, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A.H. Francke 

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:Austerlitz -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 14:28, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional information 

message: * Here it is said that the syllable HUM is part of the symbolism of Akshobhya.  	
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 15:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The syllable hūṃ finds a variety of associations in Buddhism especially as time goes on. It's presence here is slightly awkward which probably is due to being created before Tantra got systematised. See Studholme's book. Jayarava 20:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Symbolism 

message: The use of capitals on this page is completely mad! Why is every word of the mantra capitalised? The scholarly convention is to capitalise everything or nothing - since Sanskrit has no capitals! All caps sucks, but is presumably used to highlight mantras. I would recommend that the page adopts lower case, or at most initial caps. We're writing in English! mahaabaala (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: As the article itself says 'maṇipadme' is one word, a Sanskrit compound (tatpuruṣa or bahuvrīhi take your pick), and yet the page consistently has it as two words (both for some reason capitalised). mahaabaala (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This fact is now in the article but needs a citation. So here are a couple:
*Studholme, Alexander. 2002. The origins of oṃ maṇipadme hūṃ : a study of the Kāraṇḍavyūha Sūtra. Albany : State university of New York Press.
*Lopez, D. S. (jr.) 1988. Prisoners of Shangri-la : Tibetan Buddhism and the West. Chicago University Press. p.114ff.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahaabaala (talk • contribs) 20:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maṇipadme 

message: The sign for auṃ ॐ is not appropriate in this context - Buddhists always use oṃ with the monophthong rather than the diphthong. The two are written differently in Sanskrit and Tibetan scripts. In Devanāgarī this is written ओं. Auṃ is specific to  Hinduism and originating in some of the later principle Upaniṣads. See http://www.visiblemantra.org/om.html for a discussion of this issue. mahaabaala (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  oṃ not auṃ 

message: False statemet: the six-syllable mantra known in Japan is not "om mani padme hum" found in karandavyuha. Karandavyuha and "om mani padme hum" were unknown in Japan in the past and in canonical writings. Regards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.54.207.204 (talk) 09:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese usage 

message: Gen Rinpoche was cited as author of Heart Treasure of the Enlightened one. I put Dilgo Khyentse Rinponche instead (since that is what the cover says). I have never seen the 'Gen' name/title before. If anyone can justify using 'Gen Rinpoche' instead of Dilgo Khyentse please change it back :) --95.166.112.222 (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gen Rinpoche => Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche 

message: I saw this variant on a site: ॐ मणिपद्मे हूँ What is this? Neither the first nor the last character are covered in the article, so it might be a dialect or something. -andy 77.191.205.168 (talk) 09:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ॐ  is the Hindu 'auṃ' with the diphthong vowel - the form is left over from the script which predates Devanāgarī. In this case it is wrong, and the correct spelling is ओं. The rest is correct standard Devanāgarī and reads maṇipadme hūṃ. Jayarava 20:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet another variant... 

message: Unless I've got my Sanskrit declension wrong, if "maṇipadme" is a vocative, it must be that of a feminine noun: maṇipadmā. But in that case, surely it can't be referring to Avalokiteśvara because he only becomes a woman in Chinese tradition, which wouldn't be reflected in a Sanskrit name. Kannan91 (talk) 16:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. There is a lot of historical discussion of this issue. But the most likely, and least discussed, option is that this is not Classical Sanskrit at all, but Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit based probably on the Magadhī Prakrit and is in fact a masculine nominative singular. See my blog post on words that end in -e in mantras. You can compare the declensions in Edgerton's Dictionary and Grammar of Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit. Jayarava 20:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocative? 

message: A compilation of texts from ancient India made by Teresa E. Rohde "La India literaria" (Spanish edition by Editorial Porrúa, Mexico, 1977) in a section about the "Laws of Manú", makes a citation of a text from the Book II of these laws: "The young novice must always pronounce the sacred monosyllabe in the beginning and at the end of the study of the sacred scripture, any reading that has not been preceded by Aum is erased little by little, as well as the one that has not been followed by the monosyllabe. The letter a, the letter u, and the letter m, which together form the sacred monosyllabe, have been taken out by Brahma from the three sacred books. Of the three vedas, the lord of Creatures has also taken out, stanza by stanza, the invocation addressed to the sun, and that begins by the word "Tad"".
Here we may think having found a possible explanation for the initial "Om", and the final "Um" of this famous mantra, that would be equivalent to the "Aum" that the Manu's laws prescribe to reinforce the memory of the sacred texts. As previously said, the sanskrit word "mani" has the meaning of jewel, our word "diamond" will join the meaning "jewel", to the word "dyaus", the force, the brightness in the protoeuropean; we must not forget that the Buddah belonged to the indian group of princes, this group possibly coming from european regions, a fact remarked by the coincidence of the name of a gothic queen of Spain, "Goswintha" - the path of cows - with the indian name "Govind".
The words "Zeus", "Jupiter=Dyaus pitar", Zeus father, unrelated to the Christian Trinity, and its similar the latin word "Deus", the french "Dieu", the italian "Dio" and the spanish "Dios", would all come from "dyaus", but as dyaus having had the meaning of clarity, brightness, "diamond" would mean "the bright jewel". The word "padme" may be a single word of sanskrit, or even a variation in the spelling of "Tad", the sun, and for this purposes it can be brought here that "svastika", from the sanskrit "sv", well, and "asti", to be , sanskrit, as spanish, difference between ser -be, and -estar -be: at a location, in a condition, etc- , so svastika would mean "wellbeing", this symbol, formerly linked to solar cults, can be found in so different places as the main entry to a jainist university in India, the cover of the single "Atlantis", by Donovan, and also in archeological sites, such as floor mosaics of roman villas, and being part of the ornamentation of the last temple of Jerusalem, before its destruction by the romans and the diaspore (Book: "El fértil creciente y la Biblia", by J Gonzalez-Echegaray), the ancient goths had also a solar cult, having as names, "Oberon", "Alberic", and the greek cult to "Apollion", one the Bible makes identical with "Abbadon the exterminator", was also initially a solar cult, greeks soon realizing that "it can't be god somebody that is always walking the same path, like a donkey tied to a treadmill". In the New Testament, a reference is made to Jesus as "The Sun coming from the heights will visit us", obviously intended to divert the previous concepts of deity to the new Christian Faith's Divinity as exclusive of any former worship. Even when the rules in the graphic and phonetical changes in the course of evolution and diversification of languages and words are known, it would be good having an expert in sanskrit language, or even better, somebody having sanskrit as his/her childhood tongue providing us with more information about the possible roots and meanings of the word "Padme". Is padme a single word?. Is it composed of a derivative of "tad", plus something else?. The basic concepts in this are sketched, it remains to people really expert in these fields to say about its value, if any. Salut +--Jgrosay (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed alternative links in "Om mani padme um"

message: Under the section 14th Dalai Lama there are a couple of dashes that seem surplus to requirements, like below:
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thread_title:  General Comments 

message: In the The New Adventures of Ocean Girl animated series there's a spell repeatedly appeared which exactly this phrase, can someone add to the In popular culture section? Vutrankien (talk) 03:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The new advantures of Ocean Girl 

message: The article does an astonishing job at avoiding giving an English translation, although two apparently minority versions are buried deep in the lower reaches of the text. The lead needs a para explaining that the issues around an English translation are complicated, but giving 2-3 common versions. Johnbod (talk) 15:37, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you completely Johnbod, and think it would be a service to the community for somebody to create this section. --- FULBERT (talk) 06:36, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Still nothing done! Johnbod (talk) 05:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Johnbod (talk) 16:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: Would folks mind if I listed the transliterations in alphabetical order?
— iFaqeer (talk to or email me) 03:40, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetize List of Transliterations? 

message: "Om Manny Padmay Hoom" - The audio file seems to have been recorded by someone who does not have a good pronunciation of Sanskrit, and listening to it is just a bummer because a lot of people are gonna be misinformed about it. I request someone who actually has some proficiency in Sanskrit to replace the file. Chronikhiles (talk) 05:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't a Tibetan accent (or one of the many) more appropriate? Johnbod (talk) 05:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please change the audio file 

message: The Thai transcription isn't in modern central Thai I think. Orphan nikhahit 
( ํ)characters (not part of Sara Am ำ) are really only used in Sanskrit and Pali loan words as I understand it.
I'll change to โอม มณี ปัทเม หูม but happy to be corrected. Gitwit1975 (talk) 14:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thai transcription