Talk:Yaron Brook

message: In response to the request for a photo, I added one. It is a publicity photo from the Ayn Rand Institute.
SWGreen1974 22:10, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: I have significantly revised and expanded this article, incorporating some information from the previous stub version. Much of the information was drawn from Brook's new CV on the ARI website. Information not available from the CV has been cited. I have also included several quotes that I think clarify Brook's philosophical views on the war in Iraq.
Voltairius 02:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: Helpful:
ARI has enormously updated Brook's CV – Thank you! LeaNder 14:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: "partly due to his service in Israeli army intelligence he is also considered [citation needed] an expert on the history of the Middle East". I guess, since I wrote this sentence with a admittedly slightly polemical intention, I should comment on P4K's question. BUT: I am pretty sure I came across a statement in the introduction to one of his lectures or an interview that put it exactly like this. But I just checked; I unfortunately made no note, so sorry this will take time to check. Not much time now.
But in the larger context it is interesting that the ARI has enormously updated the site with information on Yaron Brook see above.
And here his "Middle East" expertise is listed as no. 1. But the further details clearly show that apart from his time in the Israeli army, intelligence, or the fact that he grew up in Israel, he has no "academic background" in this context. I will check if I can find the source as soon as I have more time LeaNder 14:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: His years of service in Israeli Army Intelligence, along with extensive research, have given him an expertise on the Middle Eastern conflict and terrorism, and American foreign policy in that region. Many college campuses around the country have hosted his most recent talk: "The Moral Case for Supporting Israel."
Maybe he really is an expert on the Middle East conflict and US Foreign relation in the region. LeaNder 14:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert: History of the Middle East 

message: #Iraq War escalation advocates 
JamesMLane: thanks, that category fits perfectly. 
March 2003 "Moral objectivity" is all the US needs to fight the war against Saddam:
Should the U.S. Invade Iraq Without U.N. Approval?, March 6, 2003, Yaron Brook on the Myles Spencer Show
Iraq War#2003: Invasion 
Iraq War#May 2003: "End of Major Combat" 
June 2003 America demands: Let’s move on to Iran. (same position as “Mr. Faster Please” Ledeen)
If Necessary Use Force Against Iran, Wednesday, June 25, 2003, Yaron Brook
 September 2003 America’s War is to Timid:
The Timid War on Terrorism; Thursday, September 4, 2003, Elan Journo and Yaron Brook
 April 2004 America’s War is too compassionate:
[http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?news_iv_ctrl=-1&page=NewsArticle&id=8402 America's Compassion in Iraq Is Self-Destructive; Tuesday, April 20, 2004,
Yaron Brook and Elan Journo]
 December 2004 Bomb them into dust, Watch Yaron Brook on The O’Reilly Factor:
ARI proudly presents
direct video link
Sorry, no idea why the "compassionate link" does not work, the way I want it. Also, this is my first attempt to link to other Wiki articles or other spots on this page. Will it work? Good Night, America 23:56, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking of something more broad. Brook is explicitly advocating a different approach to foreign policy and the morality of war than the one being advanced by Bush/the neocons. He is unique in that he is fundamentally opposed to the nation building advocated by Bush/neocons, yet a proponent of ending the Iraq war in favor of a war elsewhere. Also, by at the latest August 2005 Brook was no longer in favor of staying in Iraq, so he wouldn't fit under a "Iraq-War escalation advocate." He would be a "Former Iraq-War escalation advocate." Endlessmike 888 01:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: ’’ Well I’d say the polls would change dramatically, if president Bush made a focussed attempt to appeal to the American people instead of sending our representatives to the UN and France and Germany and to all these other countries. If ****?, Powell and president Bush had gone on TV and faced the American people with the facts and told them that this is necessary to the defense of the nation, I think his approval rate as regards to the war would have skyrocketed. I think that they have established this premise that we need the UN’s approval and therefore most American’s are now agreeing with the president and are saying, well, we are agreeing with the president, we shouldn’t be doing it unless the UN approve. Because hey, you spent all this time to convince the UN, so it must be important. I think if George Bush had come out and said, the UN is not important, what we believe is important that if we think this essential for security, the American people would have followed him.’’
That's very much about perception mannagement. So are individualist objectivists ultimately only a new model of the old manipulative macchiavellians, OR is the morally assured, moral confident moral will something ultimately ultra-American, that anyone from Old Europe to the Forth World can never perceive and/or understand? Let me answer your post above? And then I have to devote my time to solve a problem here on the ground and will be gone for a couple of days:
Endless: Now I'm confused. I thought we already arrived at the conclusion that in his two lectures on neo-conservatism and his FHF lecture that he is againts the Iraq war. 
LeaNder: I am in the process till the day I die. I am very, very far from a final conclusions concerning the Yaron Brook case. But as a more general remark WARNING: I never add alerts concerning irony, sarcasm (rare) or other mood qualities that invade my lines. And I am not easy to convince in these anti-compassionate matters.
Endless': Did I point out that he said, "If we cannot fight this war properly, then bring the troops home," in an August 2005 lecture that was aired on CSPAN? 
LeaNder: I am basically a "Thomas", I don't know this lecture. So I cannot tell if this phrase is a rhetorical device to get his central idea over, and idea he had from the very start: The war has to be fought much more uncompromisingly. Do it, or leave it. But if you do it, do it right. If necessary use the atom bomb, to force them to surrender. And you are not "morally willing to use any means possible", then you might just as well go home.
Endless: Is that NOT "B) ‘’Believe that the Iraq War is being waged incompetently or immorally’’, and have become publicly known as critics of the war or the justifications used to launch it."? 
LeaNder: I can see the problem concerning the definition. “Immorally” leaves itself wide open to the specific objectivist use, mentioned above. Illegal would be better. I have thought about it for a while, but find it hard to define it as shortly as above and I hesitate a bit to interfere, since I don’t know many of the people and thus do not know what shaped the definition. An AND instead of a OR in the second phrase would keep Brook out. As it would keep out the many, many people who flee the pro-war camp since defeat never has many fathers. How about this? But then, the US had a rather uniform propaganda machine at the time, including Judy Miller at the NYT.
‘’"B) ‘’Believe that the Iraq War is being waged incompetently or ‘’’illegally’’’’’, and have become publicly known as critics of the war ‘’’and’’’ the justifications used to launch it."? ‘’
Endless: And isn't it clear that Brook has since changed his mind and admitted his error since that 2002 interview? I'm just applying the criteria from the category page.
LeaNder: I am still not sure, if he has ever changed his view. I am still in the process of studying when, where and who this exactly happened. At the moment I can see much more continuity than change of mind. And I have the impression the statements, as the one Tom reported, are basically rhetorical devises, he has to pick up the people, where they stand. It would be foolish to pretend "public opinion" has not changed very much.  
Can you tell me why the "America's compassion" article link does not show as the others? I can't discover the reason. And I guess I give up trying to find out. Will be gone for a week maybe two LeaNder 18:07, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: I have put on the NPOV tag, because it seems that some editors are trying to bizarrely spin this article to make Brook simultaneously a warmonger and an anti-war activist. --Tsunami Butler 16:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my previous comment. The category does not descriminate between "warmongers" and "anti-warmongers." It is for those opposed to the Iraq war, warmonger or not. Endlessmike 888 01:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: He advocates an American policy supporting Israel against terrorism. Despite Brook's speaking positively about scholars such as Daniel Pipes, he is highly critical of neoconservatism (and conservatism in general). He opposes President Bush's handling of the Iraq War because he believes that Bush has needlessly sacrificed American troops in order to appease the international community and the United Nations. He also advocates military action against Iran and support of the Iranian students opposing their government.
Somehow the "despite" troubles me. "Despite" what??? Although he supports Daniel Pipes?
Could the author please explain.
How about: While he advocates The War on Terrorism, and supports scholars as Daniel Pipes, he is highly critical of neoconservativism. 
But after this statement I would like to know more about what he exactly criticizes. And I guess whoever added this must know. No??  OH! Happy New Year All! LeaNder 22:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brook & Neoconservativism 

message: When and where was he first exposed to Objectivism? In the US or in Israel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.220.246.20 (talk) 17:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: The category was deleted. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 February 24#Category: Critics of Islam. Endlessmike 888 20:01, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: First of all welcome in the Yaron Brook section. Or should I have noticed you before?
Maybe I don't quite understand why you deleted bibliography in the (AIR) Yaron Brooks CV link? Biography for me is more a written account of someone's live. I would not expect what looks at first sight like a complete or at least close to complete list of Brooks publications behind a biography or a normal CV. As someone that appreciates very much the extensive work AIR's PR department put into the CV, I would appreciate if this would remain visible to readers.
I don't like the emphasis you put on Biography vs Curriculum Vita now. I don't think ARI's PR department ever had the intention to write a biography.  LeaNder 13:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: FYI - I located that :Category: American anti Iraq War activists link and deactivated the #@*&$! thing so it won't continue to show up as an entry on the category page. (all ya have to do is insert a colon [:] right after the first pair of brackets) Cgingold 15:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: An IP editor has twice inserted mentions that the universities where Brook worked were "state subsidized". There has not been any source given to indicate why this is a relevant fact -- the vast majority of universities receive some government funding, so in theory you could mention this on the page of almost anyone with some academic work experience. Opening this discussion per WP:BRD since the IP editor keeps restoring without explanation. --RL0919 (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: The revision history of this article indicates repeated attempts to abuse Wikipedia for promotional purposes (see also most recently the - so far futile - warnings by several editors at User talk:Pgmorales76, including about potential conflicts of interest). 
I just did some cleanup to remove pervasive violations of various content policies and guidelines, but more work is needed. For example, the article makes extensive use of self-published sources to highlight the article subject's views on a lot of topics without regard to how notable (in terms of third-party coverage) these are. HaeB (talk) 00:11, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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