Talk:Pinot gris

message: Two points:
#1: "In the Middle Ages, the grape was popularized in the region by Hungarian traders who were introduced to the grape from Burgundy."
This statement is false; Pinot Gris was not known in Alsace in the Middle Ages. It is not mentioned in exhaustive litterature from mid-16th century, in Alsace.
#2: The association between Lazarus von Schwendi and Pinot Gris. This association is dismissed in the French wikipedia ("tradition aussie fausse que tenace") and, I believe, for good reason. While it is historically documented that Schwendi indeed conquered Tokaj from the Vojvod of Siebenbürgen in 1565, his booty included large volumes of wine but cuttings of vine are not mentioned. The grape is, according to a communication from the Library of the Strasbourg University first mentioned in Alsace c. 1750, when it was, indeed, imported by Hungarian merchants. I would like some further confirmation from some other source for that, though.
NilsGLindgren (talk) 20:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: Is anyone good at making tables? I think that would probably be the best way to present all the various synonyms and different countries. AgneCheese/Wine 22:07, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Synonyms Table

message: Reference link #19 (a,b, & c) is mistitled and broken. The title should be "Professional Friends of Wine" (NOT "The Winepros" - an Australian-based commercial wine -selling site goes by this name, so applying this title to PfW invites legal conflict). 
To fix the link so that it points to the proper page, remove the suffix "l" (*.htm, NOT *.html).
I was unable to figure out how to edit the reference links or I would have performed this task myself.
Jim LaMar 15:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was actually a misplaced "|" not the letter "l", but I've gone ahead and fixed it as per your request.--Limegreen 22:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistitled/Broken Reference Link 

message: This article seems to a borderline B, more on the B side than not. Extra thoughts are sought on this. The most glaring concern is the skimpiness on the wine region sections outside of Alsace. There is certainly more that can be discussed about Pinot gris (only two lines on Italian Pinot grigio?) than just Alsatian. The absence of a food pairing section is also a little concerning, especially since Pinot gris is always brought up as a major food pairing wine. AgneCheese/Wine 23:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thoughts on assessment

message: I propose to remove this final sentence from the lead paragraph as outdated. It predicts, in 2005, that as of the end of 2007, Pinot Gris would be the second most popular white wine.  That prediction is now irrelevant, and I cannot find a suitable source to verify the current popularity of Pinot Gris.  
Due to the grape's rising popularity, ACNielsen research data predicts that Pinot gris/Pinot grigio will overtake White Zinfandel as the fourth best selling varietal in the United States by the end of 2007.
If nobody has a source, I propose to delete the sentence as now outdated.Veritasjohn (talk) 21:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it was a strange statement to have, especially in the introduction. It could perhaps have belonged in a subsection on US market in some section or other. I kept the reference but moved it to the history section and used it for a statement on PG increasing in popularity (beginning) a few years ago. Tomas e (talk) 20:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pinot Gris popularity

message: I have removed the following sentence from the Alsace section, since I believe it to be somewhat misleading:
"In Alsace, the grape has been blended [crossed was probably meant] with Muscat Ottonel to create the Muscat de Colmar variety which became available to growers in 2006. Oz Clarke Encyclopedia of Grapes pg 147 Harcourt Books 2001 ISBN 0151007144 "
It is stated in the Muscat article of Clarke's book (and I'm reading from a translated edition) that it was experimental plantations, so my understanding is that it is not really available if you want to produce wine labelled Alsace (and certainly not Pinot gris), since it is not mentioned as an allowed variety in the AOC rules as of their latest 2006 edition. Furthermore, I don't find the variety "Muscat de Colmar" in the Vitis International Variety Catalogue, so either the experiment was abandoned or another name was chosen. It could belong under a "related varieties" heading, but under Alsace I think it was misleading. Tomas e (talk) 20:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Muscat de Colmar?

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message: After some discussion, Szurkebarat was redirected to Pinot gris, along with its talk page. Certes (talk) 22:52, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Szurkebarat 

message: ""The word "Pinot", which means "pinecone" in French""
I'm quite sure this is not true, never heard this, can't find it in the dictionary. "pomme de pin" means pine-cone in French. I'm French.
86.68.122.40 (talk) 20:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I'm French too. I changed somewhat the sentence but the link to google books learns and proves nothing at all. Papatt (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone's interested, the word does indeed come from French - however, not standard French, but rather the old dialect of Bourgogne. Its persistence may be due to its early adoption into English in that form. See http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/pineau for a discussion. Mahousu (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  pinecone 

message: "Many pioneers are included in the discovery of this rare blend such as the Taub Family or the owners of Santa Margarita, today the number 1 imported pinot gris is Cavit."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.138.73.1 (talk) 15:09, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  what does this mean? strongly pow 

message: Substituted at 03:03, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I'm not super impressed that the pinot noir article does not proper case 'pinot noir', either in title or text, but our link here does, despite our own page title itself not being capitalized. I read a bit and I know this is complicated. But my vote would be that Wikipedia eschews letter case inflation except where there's an entirely concrete reason, such as a proper geographical place name, or a scientifically established cultivar name (with a known, direct connection). — MaxEnt 22:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Immediately above is a long discussion of just that issue. It would suggest that lower case should be used. Be bold and make it so. SchreiberBike | ⌨  23:18, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal capitalization 

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