Talk:Holden Ute

message: It would be good if people could lend some more ute pictures into this article Pezzar 05:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And information about the earlier 1 tonnes like the hx hz ect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.136.40 (talk) 08:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Information on these models should be, if not already be located at Holden Kingswood. Holden utility vehicles did not officially bear the name "Holden Ute" until 2000. OSX (talk • contributions) 20:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Nice shot. I inserted your HSV Maloo photograph (it is not a Clubsport) into the Holden Special Vehicles and HSV Maloo articles. I have also uploaded the original (:Image:Holden-R8-Clubsport-HSV.JPG) to the Wikimedia Commons as :Image:2002-2003 HSV Y Maloo R8 01.jpg, so your original will get deleted within the next few days. Cheers OSX (talk • contributions) 09:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of pictures 

message: Could someone explain why Pontiac received the Ute and not Chevrolet? 76.126.15.78 (talk) 00:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember reading somewhere that Chevrolet already had enough models, and the fact that Pontiac got the G8 it makes a lot of sense. Why market the utility (pickup) version of one car under a different brand? Cheers OSX (talk • contributions) 06:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chevrolet 

message: please not also that the first Holden utility was in fact a variation of holden's first car the 1948 'FX'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.178.155.50 (talk) 08:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The FX (50-2106) to WB models were not called the "Holden Ute", but rather the "Holden utility" or "Holden Kingswood utility", hence their exclusion from this article. OSX (talk • contributions) 09:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  But what about all the others since the WB? This article isn't complete bullshit only if the vehicles in it are not in fact commodores. Is that the case? Are commodores and utes now completely separate? Is a change in marketing approach really a good basis for splitting the articles?--Jeff79 (talk) 14:53, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The VU (based on Holden VX Commodore) was the first official Holden Ute. The previous VS series was known as the "Holden VS Commodore utility". Likewise for the previous Commodore-based utilities (VG, VP and VR). OSX (talk • contributions) 07:41, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. I think a similar such explanation should definitely appear in the article then.--Jeff79 (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Holden utility 

message: The redline edition of the VE ute does not use the FE3 suspension, it shares the FE2 with the other 'sporting' VE utes.
I don't know that the redline edition can be called the performance version, the outputs are the same as the other V8s. The only real difference is the Brembo brakes (still worth the $2,500 price difference if you drive hard).  The SSV also has 19" alloy wheels, albeit with a steel spare. The redline edition has a different pattern 19", with a polished finish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.79.137 (talk) 06:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not make those changes to the article yourself? You can do it. --Falcadore (talk) 07:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: stet the FE3 - MY12 has been announced and now the FE3 is across the range for redline editions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.101.79.137 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redline edition (VE) 

message:  
* Despite the ute being given its own model designation by Holden, it is essentially a body style variant of the Commodore range, just like the station wagon (which does not warrant a separate article)
* Having the ute split to a separate article creates a lot of duplication (such as engine, suspension and interior details)
* The current system of having only post-2000 Commodore Utes in this article is counter-intuitive (ie why are the earlier Commodore utes somewhere else). It seems to be based on a change to Holden's naming policy, which is of little interest to the reader and just results in a confusing structure.
Therefore I propose that the contents of this page gets merged into the pages for the respective sedans that each ute is based on (eg VX, VY, VZ, VE). 1292simon (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to start a new discussion on the merits of a separate article, but please do not override a decision from three years ago unilaterally. That only two people cared to participated in the discussion is just the way these things play out. Some topics are followed more widely than others. The page was redirected to Holden Commodore, but the content was placed in sub articles of the Commodore, e.g. VY information moved to Holden Commodore (VY). OSX (talk • contributions) 04:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your decision from 2012 was just one person above a unilateral decision. The article had been removed just 3 days after starting the removal, meaning it did not stay up long enough for commenters that disagree to arrive, it is not just the way things play out. TheFIST (talk) 12:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger with VX to VE articles 

message: Undid Merge - There was no merger of the content from this article - just a redirect. That plus the fact that only 2 people consented to the merger, I undid it for now. We need to either merge the content properly or propose the merger again so we get broader input on whether they are really the same. 97.68.14.218 (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to start a new discussion on the merits of a separate article, but please do not override a decision from three years ago unilaterally. That only two people cared to participated in the discussion is just the way these things play out. Some topics are followed more widely than others. The page was redirected to Holden Commodore, but the content was placed in sub articles of the Commodore, e.g. VY information moved to Holden Commodore (VY). OSX (talk • contributions) 04:04, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your decision from 2012 was just one person above a unilateral decision. The article had been removed just 3 days after starting the removal, meaning it did not stay up long enough for commenters that disagree to arrive, it is not just the way things play out. TheFIST (talk) 12:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2015 

message: the page redirects to a site on which nothing about the Ute is mentioned, not even its existence, when there was a full article here.
it seems the removal without any merger was a mistake, and i suggest restoring the page here, along with adding a link to it from the section it was supposed to be merged into.
looking forward to your responses TheFIST (talk) 18:42, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Restored
after over two months of noone disagreeing, a month of that being linked on the Commodore talk page, i restored the article.
reasons:
 * none of its information was added to the Commodore article
 *  the previous removal was done after only three days of the discussion being open, with only one other user adding his opinion
 *  even in previous discussions that second user, OSX, was the only one to support merging the article into the Commodore article
TheFIST (talk) 12:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoring the article