Talk:Human rights in Western Sahara

message: I think the article is better now, anyway its better than this. Though I have some problems with Endnote so if anyone can help? Cheers. Daryou 19:31, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy edited from [[Sahrawi]]

message: The format is as follows:
In the article: use 
In the footnotes section: use 
e.g.
In the article: 
In the footnotes section:
#  BBC - Morocco abuse report criticised
My personal preference is to keep the unique identifier as author date (like the harvard system), with a-z if there is a name that is published in the same year. Hope this helps :) - FrancisTyers 21:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there is a tendency for notes to get out of order (e.g. note 10 in the article won't take you to note 10 in the footnotes) so periodically they should be re-ordered. - FrancisTyers 21:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much. Daryou 22:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: Francis, will you explain me your complaints about my last version? Daryou 23:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Francis, I just removed redundant and irrelevant information. There is a real need to reword and source many sentences. The article in its actual version is totally POV. HR organisations don't have the monopoly of the truth and the lastest reports of AI say that the situation is more and more better since the 1990's; this have to be showen in the article. Copy editing the whole HRW report doesn't help: WP isn't HRW.wikipedia.com. Thanks. Daryou 23:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, what's the issue here? Couldn't you mention a specific complaint, Daryou, and we could see what to do about that? And of course human rights reports have to be the primary source of information for an article on human rights...? - Arre 02:06, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tottally disputed 

message: I've removed the tag as there were no complaints here. - FrancisTyers 18:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: I removed the only remaining part of uncited text:
:In addition, there are gender-based restrictions , and female illiteracy is high , unlike in the refugee camps. 
After having found sources please feel free to readd it. - FrancisTyers 18:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed pending citation 

message: ===>See Talk:Western Sahara It was decided there that the article would only be about the region of Western Sahara, and consequently the article "Human rights in Western Sahara" should only discuss human rights in this territory. You may want to move this to Human rights in Algeria. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 18:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section put in comments 

message: *Where is the dispute?
:1/ I deliver evidence above that the number 200T is nonsense.
:2/ The rest is well sourced
*If you want to declare an article as disputed you need to justify this in a discussion not just like this, but inserting the banner.
*In this case what you want to say (need for an expert)
:1/ Applies to all/most articles in Wikipedia
:2/ Reflects that you have difficulties to admit information that you did not have or that does not suit your view.
*If you want to dispute the article, insert a section in the discussion and explain waht you want to dispute
*Meanwhile please refrain from labeling articles as disputed without delivering a reason. Thanks.
Cheers wikima 18:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Dispute Banner (done by Rob) 

message: ===>Read this Here's another definition of vandalism:
:Improper use of dispute tags - Dispute tags are an important way for people to show that there are problems with the article. Do not remove them unless you are sure that the dispute is settled. As a general rule, do not remove other people's dispute tags twice during a 24 hour period. Do not place dispute tags improperly, as in when there is no dispute, and the reason for placing the dispute tag is because a suggested edit has failed to meet consensus. Instead, follow WP:CON and accept that some edits will not meet consensus.
Now, either you are accusing Rob of vandalism, by improperly placing the tag, or you are yourself vandalizing the article by removing the dispute tag without any discussion. Please don't do this. Thanks. Cheers. -Justin (koavf), talk, mail 19:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Vandalism]] 

message: *I removed the ranking of Freedom House as misused.
*WS is ranked like China, Cuba, Vietnam and many other countries.
*Situation in WS is not the worst in the world. 
*People in WS enjoy more political stability, freedom and peaceful live than in any other parts of Africa and/or the Arab World, including Algeria the godfather of polisario, Keyna and South africa, and in most parts of the world.
*If you want to see what is the "worst", just see what Americans and British are doing in Irak.
*Freedom House is only ONE source. If you want to use that heavy anti-moroccan ranking then you need more sources and evidence to confirm.
*Again please refrain from misues of sources!!
wikima 10:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "In spite of imporvements since the ascendance of the Moroccan throne by Mohammed VI Freedom House expresses critics towards the situation of political rights and civil liberties in Wetsern Sahara which it ranks and fairely bad".
wikima 17:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *As I say above the sources is not used adequately. Please read again what I say => The information of the Freedom House is not reflected as should be in the article. wikima 20:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom House / "Worst" comparison 

message: Blanking - Removing all or significant parts of articles (sometimes replacing the removed content with profanities) is a common vandal edit.
-Justin (koavf), talk, mail 16:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanking / Vandalism 

message: I know this kind of information belong to the personal page. However I do not have one and as I am involved in all the discussion I feel the duty that I have to to inform you that I will be off for the next two-three weeks. Very probably I will not be able to access the internet.
This section can be deleted after. Thanks. wikima 20:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'll be off 

message: * Title of the section changed to make visible we talk about Polisario. We also say the Moroccan controled part of WS.
* “main article|Human rights in Algeria” removed. This is clearly an article about the human right in the Western Sahara conflict and not in the context of an Algerian article. 
* Though the Algerian government is a main actor in the conflict and responsible for what happens in Tindouf and the Algerian military was directly involved in the crimes of Polisario
*. “On the contrary, the camps are sometimes presented as a model for running refugee camps democratically” is highly disputed.:
# Indepth reports such as done by France Libertés and ESISC contredicts this. 
# Mohammed Abdelaziz is president of Polisario and of the so-called “sadr” since 30 years! What an example for democracy!
# The other contrediction comes from Amnesty just in the paragraph after. 
* The information of CLAIHR is to be tkane with high caution. With re to the Moroccan POWs this is what it states: “The prisoners informed us that they are generally well-treated and that they receive adequate food and water.” 
* Their quote shortened
* This an example of how such organisations can be blind as Frances Libertés criticises.
* This sectio will be checked on relevance and accuracy.
* Polisario denies it is communist but it was founded on a left wing communist ideology and was mainly supported by communist countries in the former communist bloc led by the Soviet Union (Algeria, Libya, Cuba etc...)
* Quote form the UNHR on sahrawi children in Cuba too long – Shortened
wikima 21:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted most of this for rather obvious reasons.
* As for the claim that Polisario is or has been Communist, this is plainly bullshit. They were left-wing and described themselves as Socialist (in the sense of Arab Socialism, then the ideology à la mode in the Arab world) from 1973, but gradually abandoned that, and there has to the best of my knowledge not been any reference to any kind of Socialism in a Polisario document for over 15 years.
* The Cuba claims is a mainstay of Moroccan rhetoric, and the quotes from the UN that disputes that thesis is obviously very relevant to this debate. The Moroccan claims are presented, the Polisario claims are presented, and the UN's investigations should be quoted in whatever length needed to adress the claims by both parties. This edit seems mainly intended to remove material that the editor deems unsupportive of his viewpoint.
* That the camps are "sometimes presented" as models for running refugee camps is a fact, not a value judgment of these assertions. It is obviously in the encyclopedia's interest to register the political rhetoric of both parties. But the assertions of either side should of course not presented as facts either, but then they're not here -- on the contrary, the Moroccan view ("concentration camps") is equally clearly given, with the same kind of neutral tone ("this is what these people say, that is what the others say").
* About the reference to the Algeria human rights section, I seem to recall that was originally inserted by you (Wikima) or at your request. I left it in for now, but don't care either way. Remove it if you like. Arre 22:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section: Human rights in the Polisario controlled refugee camps

message: * Aminatou Haidar, whom I have met personally, certainly doesn't consider herself "free" in the occupied territories. She has been imprisoned several times, tortured, and lives under continual threat. The reason she can carry out oppositional activities now, is that she is in exile. She is dearly afraid of what will happen when she sets foot on Moroccan or Sahrawi soil again -- just last year, Ali Salem Tamek was arrested immediately on arrival at the airport.
* That a single Moroccan newspaper, on the extreme oppositional fringe of that country's politics (for which it has been repeatedely harrassed and fined huge sums of money), has had the guts to challenge authority yet again by publishing an interview with her, hardly changes this fact. Syrian and Burmese dissidents also manage to give interviews from time to time, and get away with it: that is not proof of the liberal attitude of their governments.
* Tel Quel, the other newspaper you cite, belongs to the same category of ultra-oppositional and repeatedly attacked newspapers as Le Journal Hebdomadaire. I direct you for info on the situation of both newspapers -- whose staff I respect and admire for their courage -- to Reporters Without Borders.
* As for the United Nations' Cuba reports, they could certainly be summarized or quoted more effectively. But the reason for their being there at all is that they refute the Moroccan government's allegations of fraud and repression in the framework of the UNHCR programme point by point: if the paragraph is to be shortened, this needs to be clear. It is not just a vague "counter argument" or a "counter report", it is the systematic rebuttal of every single accusation made by Morocco, in a report made at the kingdom's own request.
* What you are doing is taking two reports by two local/national institutes (France Libertes, a Socialist French HR org; and ESISC, a until recently unknown Belgian outfit that Reporters Without Borders describes as a "fake NGO" working for pay to benefit the Moroccan government), and trying to juxtapose that with the multitude -- hundreds, thousands of pages -- of material gathered by the world's top human rights organizations, such as Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, the World Org Against Torture, the UN, the Red Cross, Freedom House, and others. By quoting these two sole reports at length, you are trying to give the impression of parity in criticism of the both parties, which is not only to cheat readers of Wikipedia seeking a fair overview of international commentary on the issue, but also to severely misrepresent documented facts.
* For comparison, if an article about, say, Libya, would give as much space to the hecatombs of material amassed by international human rights organization criticising Muammar al-Qadhafi's goverment, and to two virtually unknown documents on the Libyan oppposition (one of whose credibility is in severe dispute, i.e. ESISC), that would be immediately recognized as a systematic bias to the article.
* In summary, I have no hope of convincing you on this issue, since you apparently only have one goal with your activities on Wikipedia -- i.e. promoting the Moroccan version of events in Western Sahara -- but I hope that other, neutral editors will see what is going on, and put a stop to it.
Best regards, and in the somewhat strained hope of still being able to do this without a revert war, or requesting mediation, Arre 22:57, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Systematic bias: misrepresenting the proportions of int'l criticism

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message: 1) When countries violate international law, condemnations usually follow (as was the case when the US "recognized" Morocco's "sovereignty" over the illegally occupied territory of WS). To date, it remains the only country to formally do so. 2) The source cited by the IP is a joke (just look at the Moroccan propaganda outlets cited in it, Moroccoworldnews.com, diplomatie.ma, etc.). 3) Treating the positions of the United Nations, the African Union, the international court of justice, the European court of justice, etc., as equal to those of a country that violate internal law would create a false balance. M.Bitton (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
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