Talk:List of NCAA college football rivalry games

message: "For a much longer list..."?  It's a much better list.  I know next-to-nothing about the topic, but what's the difference between these two lists?  Would they be better off as one?  Or is this a list of trophies that have failed to inspire a proper rivalry between the two teams? :) 207.67.116.11 12:45, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A much longer list?

message: Wouldn't Series Record be a better field here? There are only a handful of discontinued rivalries and these could be mentioned in the page of the respective rivalries. I think Series Record would be a much more relevant and interesting statistic. --Cliedl 03:54, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the discontinued ones could almost be explained well with footnotes, e.g. the Slab of Bacon being replaced(?) with Paul Bunyan's Axe. The main issue I see with series record is notation: can we just do it first team listed–second team listed–ties for space reasons, or are people going to list the team leading the series, which will widen the field? Short fields are easier on the eyes. Secondarily, what series record will be used when some games aren't counted by both sides (e.g. WWII games for Clean, Old Fashioned Hate)? —C.Fred (talk) 15:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be very careful about adding a series record ... think about (1) the challenge of keeping it updated here and (2) its usefulness in a printed/CD version of Wikipedia.  Frequently, I have encountered old records in articles.  Unless it's something essential, I prefer not to add content that we plan on being obselete.  BigDT 17:00, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Swapping in records would not be a big deal; you could just have an "as-of" date as well (i.e. the record is X-X-X as of 2010).Tyrenon (talk) 08:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Date

message: I think the SEC has a few more rivalry games.  Auburn-Alabama and Florida vs someone.  One may be called the Battle between the hedges and the other may be known as the largest outdoor daquari party (off the top of my head).  This is a great article.  Keep up the good work.  TonyTheTiger 20:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Auburn/Alabama is huge. And you're thinking of the largest cocktail party.--NMajdan•talk 21:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, officially, you're thinking of the Georgia–Florida game. Unofficially, though.... But both of the games you mentioned are listed. —C.Fred (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: SEC

message: I, for one, think it's a really bad idea.  This article is a table of named football rivalries.  The other one is a list of schools that are in some fashion rivals.  Merging the two would be awkward. BigDT 11:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might not be too bad of an idea. How I see it working is we would move the contents of this article  under the United States section of the other article, deleting the current content. But I do see your point that these are, for the most part, strictly football rivalries and not school rivalries in general. So they might have their place as separate articles.--NMajdan•talk 13:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: don't merge - as mentioned above, this aritcle is NCAA only and football only and the other is global and all sport (and even extends beyond sport).  Additionally, the combination of the two would be too long of an article and would need dividing. Brholden 21:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will remove the merge banner in a couple of days if there is no objection.  Brholden 05:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge suggestion 

message: Because the number of notes is so large now, I'm going to boldface the name of the rivalry (trophy, if no name) in the notes so that readers of the notes can quickly determine to which rivalry the note relates. —C.Fred (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivalry name in the notes - formatting for easier note-reading 

message: Does the Ole Miss–LSU game count for named rivalry purposes? I mean, the Florida–Georgia game should stand because of the historic/alternate name of the World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party. As far as Ole Miss and LSU, though, I don't see a historic name. The article on the game is an unreferenced stub with a tendancy toward POV. Does anybody have some history on this game, or should it be dropped from the list? —C.Fred (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ole Miss-LSU Game 

message: Both the University of Utah/BYU and University of Utah/Utah State games list the Beehive Boot as the prize.  Is this a typo or is it part of a three way competition like the Commander in Chief's Trophy? Monkey Bounce 08:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Beehive Boot is actually a four-way competition between Utah, BYU, Utah State and Weber State. Most sources don't mention Weber State as being involved in the rivalry because they rarely play any of the other three teams, but I haven't seen anything that shows that they are no longer eligible to win it. They were eligible to win it as late as 1982 (which is several years after they became IAA) because, that year, had they not been eligible, their loss to Utah State would not have counted towards the standings, and UU, USU, and BYU would have all finished 1-1. If that were the case, the winner of the trophy would have been decided by the Utah media. However, Utah State won it outright (in fact, that media has only chosen the winner in 1973 and 1997). So, the USU-WSU game must have counted that year, which means the Wildcats were eligible. 63.3.9.129 05:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beehive Boot 

message: I know Colorado and Nebraska have an annual day-after-Thanksgiving rivalry that isn't listed here but I'm not aware of the name. JMyrleFuller (talk) 00:44, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colorado-Nebraska 

message: Can someone insert Sewanee v. Rhodes, started in 1899.  This is the longest continually played rivalry in the South.  It is now the Orgill Trophy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.6.245 (talk) 19:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. Verification found at http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/nov/09/gritty-rhodes-tight-end-overcomes-adversity-in/. —C.Fred (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sewanee v. Rhodes 

message: Should a new article be created with a list of simply the oldest match-ups? This seems to always come up and I haven't seen a table for it on wikipedia. Ivy league matchups like princeton v yale aren't on here, and games like nebraska v kansas (since 1892) are unamed/non-rivarly so aren't on the list. Thoughts? Anyone know of any existing reliable lists to use as a source? Ryan2845 (talk) 05:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My first thought is, what's the criteria? How regularly does a game have to be played to count, and for how long a stretch? Or, is the criteria the number of times the contest has been played, in the style of List of longest running United States television series? I like the latter becuase it's easier to make the list finite and cut it off when a series has been played fewer than a given number of times. —C.Fred (talk) 17:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say probably limit it to series that are currently being played either annually or on some sort of bi-annual schedule (in the case of conferences with 2 divisions), in other words active, yearly or scheduled conference matchups. Since the majority are played only once yearly, there probably aren't many cases where the number of times played is significantly greater than the number of years old. So it seems like you could probably use both as a criteria and make the table sortable by either one. Would look similar to this table, but sortable Big 12#Rivalries Ryan2845 (talk) 18:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still plenty of great or even important college rivalries that are played annually or biannually without a specific name or trophy.  I don't see why those aren't included.  I know that everyone will want his college's game to be included, but this a difference between a "great" 120-year-old rivalry and a "great" 12-year-old rivalry.  If a game has been played for over 100 years, I think it ought to be here, whether it has a marketable name or not. Poldy Bloom (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest series 

message: In articles such as Battle for the Rag, the entire series is listed, so it's easy to rely on that for the date of first contest and the date of the first trophy. The Floyd of Rosedale article is silent on games played before 1935. While it stands to reason that games were played before 1935 such that the series got heated, that isn't sufficient to verify the date of the first contest. Does somebody have a source that the series began in 1891? —C.Fred (talk) 16:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/a-res-all-time-scores.html Banderson1962 (talk) 21:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Floyd of Rosedale date

message: What about the nebraska oklahoma rivalry? they did play the game of the century against each other.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.71.22 (talk) 01:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a named rivalry, nor is there a trophy, so it's outside the scope of the list. —C.Fred (talk) 05:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I asked above, where did name or trophy become the definitive desiderata for this list?  Right now, the article reads "This is a list of rivalry games in college football in the United States. The list also shows any trophy awarded to the winner," not "named rivalry games." Poldy Bloom (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nebraska-Oklahoma? 

message: This page still lacks definition.  This page needs to be moved to one that is specifically for named games and trophies.  This should be a page that links to all sorts of rivalry pages.  Example of new pages or sections that need to be created are: rivalries with most played games, oldest continued rivalries, most consecutive game rivalries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.83.85.18 (talk) Revision as of 21:36, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Need for new pages

message: Is this a list for every significant rivalry in college football, or is it to be limited to named games? Or should there be some alternate threshold, like named or has been played for more than (50, 80) years?
Now, the Army-Navy Game is a named game, IMO, so it should stay in the article. I'm looking at the games which have no trophy and no name other than "Foo-Bar rivalry." Do we want to list any rivalry significant enough for an article? Or should we cap the list somewhere tighter? —C.Fred (talk) 18:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope creep revisited 

message: There is one NCAA Division-I Football rivalry that is a series between three teams: Army, Navy, and Air Force, all playing for the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy (commonly mistaken to be the trophy awarded to the winner of the Army-Navy Game). Can someone cultivate a method to incorporate this rivalry into the List-Only format? Here is quick, raw text I've culminated from the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy page in paragraph/article format, which would be unaccepted in list format:
:The Commander-in-Chief's Trophy, originated in 1972, is awarded to each season's winner of the triangular college football series rivalry among the United States Military Academy (Army Black Knights), the United States Naval Academy (Navy Midshipmen), and the United States Air Force Academy (Air Force Falcons). In the event of a tie, the award is shared, but the previous winner retains possession of the trophy. As of the 2010 season (39th consecutive season), Air Force leads with 17 wins, followed by Navy with 12 wins, then Army with 6 wins, and 4 shared awards.
Thanks, Bullmoosebell (talk) 08:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Both it and the Beehive Boot are on the list. In both cases, all the participating teams are listed in the slot for the first team, and the slot for the second team is left blank. —C.Fred (talk) 17:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triangle Rivalry 

message: One rivalry that seems oddly missing is the William and Mary/VMI rivalry (though it stands out more for VMI's old habit of inflicting lots of injuries back in the 90s than anything else).  The rivalry is noted on the VMI football page in particular.
There was a lesser rivalry with UVA as well, but that one is somewhat dead because of the split in Division I (UVA went I-A while W&M went I-AA), meaning that the two very rarely play one another.  Still, as there are a number of defunct rivalries listed, this might also merit inclusion (particularly since there's something of a general rivalry between W&M and UVA).
As a W&M alumnus, I don't want to put this up myself; simply put, I don't have an NPOV on the matter.Tyrenon (talk) 08:20, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  William and Mary/VMI Rivalry 

message: I see some trophies and games in bold print in the list. Is there a reason, or is this stray formatting that needs cleaned up? —C.Fred (talk) 13:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bold in the list? 

message: I think it's more appropriate to list the rivalry game between North Dakota State and the University of North Dakota in the Division II section. The game has never been played at the DI FCS level, and very likely never will be.GothmogLOB (talk) 13:32, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickel Trophy 

message: What about changing the name of the Arizona State-Arizona rivalry to "Duel in the Desert?" That name has been used a lot, including the wikipedia page for the rivalry. Bazerko (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There being no objection, the vote is unanimous.Bazerko (talk) 02:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Duel in the Desert

message: I propose that we standardize the table formatting as follows.  Some of the entries already follow this pattern and some don't.
*If the game or the rivalry has a name, list that in the Game column, even if it's not the name of the corresponding article (e.g. list "Duel in the Desert" and link that to "Arizona–Arizona State football rivalry").  If the game or rivaly does not have a name, list the two teams in the Game column, in alphabetical order.
*If there's a named trophy, list that in the Trophy column.
*Link to either the game/rivalry article or the trophy article, whichever exists.  Only link to both if they exist as separate articles, as opposed to redirects.
Here are a few examples:
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— Mudwater (Talk) 13:48, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table formatting 

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message: Northern Illinois and Miami of Ohio 64.30.96.11 (talk) 04:14, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  mallory cup 

message: Add Battle of the Ax as a rivalry TheAdorablesnowman (talk) 03:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: Could you please clarify which section/table you want this to be added to? Thanks. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me!  21:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 August 2023 

message: Auburn and Alabama is not an included rivalry game and it is a matchup between both schools of the same state every year. The game between the two is called the "Iron Bowl" and is a big event in the state of Alabama. Stathisavvidis (talk) 21:21, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Iron Bowl is already in the list.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 September 2023 

message: Under the NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision section please add the following rivalries and their relevant info to the table in their appropriate alphabetical place:
*Alabama–Georgia Tech football rivalry
*Colorado–Kansas State football rivalry
*Florida–Kentucky rivalry#Football 
2603:6010:61F0:75A0:F9DB:2921:5F10:7535 (talk) 03:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Request made by IP sock of User:CalebHughes, whose antics are the reason why the article is protected. Favonian (talk) 18:37, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 September 2023 

message: Change:
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|Old Ironsides
|Penn State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
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To:
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|Old Ironsides
|Penn State, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
|1904
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This is to reflect a change in the name of the Old Ironsides page, thus avoiding a possible future double-redirect. This also is to include the first season where all three played the other two having happened in 1904.
- Dionysius Miller (talk) 22:24, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Per WP:NOTBROKEN; the other link is merely a redirect, and requires no changes.  Spintendo  05:05, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 December 2023 

message: - Dionysius Miller (talk) 16:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Under rivalries with more than two teams: just to add that the name of the rivalry between Pitt, PSU, and WVU was the Tri-State championship (Currently only shows that the trophy was Old Ironsides) and that the first season was 1900, This article by Myron Cope is a good example of this naming but on the Old Ironsides Trophy wiki there's additional trustworthy sources. Dionysius Miller (talk) 13:41, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 December 2023