Talk:False pregnancy

message: can men experience the psychological symptoms of false pregnancy? --81.136.173.34 17:53, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Can men experience the psychological symptoms of false pregnancy?

message: move 199.125.109.58 (talk) 01:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have begun to edit the page, just cleaning up what we have a little and consolidating some stuff.  I am not an expert at editing Wikipedia articles for style, so someone feel free to make it better.  However, please do not change the content unless you are an expert in this field or have conducted significant research prior to doing so. Laplacian54 (talk) 00:40, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I removed wind in the bowels from the list of terms for pseudocyesis. I think other more frequent editors of this article might be well served to remove many of the other names from the opening paragraph. I am sure that there are many, often slang, terms for false pregnancies. That doesn't mean that this article should open with a list of more than a dozen of them -- most of which are not commoly used. —mako๛ 15:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Done.  69.137.21.174 (talk) 00:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Names 

message: Just wanted to make sure that editors of this article were aware of simulated pregnancy.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: related article

message: In the section on testing, the basis for an ordinary HCG pregnancy test is described, but there is no indication of how this relates to false pregnancy.
Presumably, in a false pregnancy, such a test would not give a positive result?
This needs to be stated explicitly (if it is true).
2.27.158.206 (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Testing 

message: This news story has happened . Apparently, a Brazilian woman went into labour, and underwent a C-section. The doctors at her hospital later claimed that she had a "phantom pregnancy", including detection of a fetus and fetal heartbeats. Depending on the outcome, if it wasn't real, these details should be added.  --Auric  talk 15:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible addition 

message: I'm not seeing statics on this topic from within the past 5 years. Articles on the topic refer to articles published in the 1980s or even a book published in 1937.  AdroitInfoHunter (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dated information 

message: Hello Wikipedians, 
As this page is relatively sparse, I would like to add to its history section. I found a few sources that detail the history of false pregnancy beginning in the 17th century.
Additionally, I would like to conclude some modern examples of false pregnancy in which physicians were fooled by a woman's presentation during what appeared like true labor. 
I plan to finalize these additions in the next hours. I hope you'll take the time to review them! 
Sejohnson1 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: 1). Add scientific/official medical term "pseudocyesis" in parentheses after "False Pregnancy" title on article  2). Expand intro section and add reliable citations  3). Add info/expand sections on "signs and symptoms," "cause," "treatment," and "epidemiology" (if possible, add applicable graphic for "epidemiology" section). Add needed citations for "epidemiology" section  4). Remove unreliable citations such as those from ABC.com and New York Times and replace those with more reliable sources such as journal-published systematic/meta-reviews  5). Perform general copyedits/factchecks on entire article 
E. Huang, UCSF (talk) 20:58, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Some notes. There are three recent secondary reviews already cited in the article:  Azizi, Tarin and Seeman—Please use them rather than dated or inferior sources.  They contain a wealth of information that has not yet been added to the article, while I have had to remove a lot of dated and inaccurate info from poor sources. For example, the article has a glaring lack of information about the associated mental health and psychiatric diagnoses—information mentioned in all three reviews.  Further, the New York Times and ABC News sources are adequate for what they are citing, in Society and culture, where MEDRS is relaxed— they do not need to be removed.  Leads do not need to be cited, they are supposed to summarize text already in the body of the article, so focus on adding cited info to the body, not the lead. Please watch out for overuse of words like “also” (which is almost always redundant). SandyGeorgia (Talk)  04:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

text: Two articles just added (Bera and Gogia) are specifically about delusional pregnancy rather than false pregnancy, and the distinction must be made; the terms are sometimes used interchangeable, and the distinction is blurred, but we should not add text as if it is about false pregnancy when the authors clearly distinguish the two in these articles.  I am in the process of adjusting.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  13:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Foundations II 2020 Group 5 Proposed Edits

message: General thoughts: 
We believe the information in the article is presented well and researched extensively, as well as achieving the goals set in the Talk section. It was nice to see all the factors that were considered, from social, cultural, and psychological factors. The formatting reflects recommendations from the Wikipedia Styling Guide. 
Proposed revisions:
* Consistency between use of terms "false pregnancy" and "pseudocyesis". We feel using pseudocyesis throughout the article may be considered medical jargon.
* The cross-sectional study under the epidemiology section seems too specific and we feel doesn't have as strong level of evidence (primary literature and older study published in 2008 in Nigerian Journal of Medicine) to warrant inclusion in the Wiki article. 
* Under Treatment, saying ultrasound is used as treatment doesn't sound appropriate, maybe use the word "resolved"?
* Lots of instances of medical jargon. Galactorrhea and amenorrhea should be changed to lay-language (i.e. amenorrhea -> missed period), the last sentence under treatment is very medical-term heavy. General cases like that.
* More internal hyperlinks to wiki pages (ie the hormones listed in the last sentence of S&S)
* Citations needed for signs and symptoms of false pregnancy. 
* Edit citations to include name of month and year rather than numerical date
* The last sentence under "Signs and Symptoms" cites two case reports (citations 8 and 10) published before 2000, which isn't representative of the statement being made
L. Liu, Future UCSF Pharm.D. (talk) 21:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundations II 2020 Group 6 Peer Review 

message: Here,  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  03:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  COPYVIO 

message: #False_pregnancy#Causes_and_mechanism 
## I emailed Elyasi, Azizi's corresponding author on 26 August. They may shed light on the following.
## An active ectopic pregnancy is not a false pregnancy, it is an abnormal and dangerous pregnancy and would generally have a positive pregnancy test. However, a past ectopic pregnancy, as a form of misscarriage, could potentially be associated with the subsequent development of a false pregnancy as can a miscarriage.
## The source is correctly quoted but the source is misleading as to temporal and biologic timing: "…central nervous tumors, ovarian cysts, uterine fibroids, ectopic pregnancies" The first three are concurrent, but ectopic pregnancy, as a form of miscarriage, is in the past unless they mean that an ectopic might be misdiagnosed as a false pregnancy in which case it is not causative but a misdiagnosis and a potential catastrophy.
## Although correctly quoted in Wikipedia, the source's two primary references do not contain a discuss of ectopic pregnancy. This is an example of a secondary source inventing their information and claiming a source. 
## I found a non-PubMed nursing journal that discussed miscarriage, but not ectopic, as a cause.
## There is a 1937 text book in the library that might discuss this. 
## Other than the Azziz 2017 PMC5894469 article which misquotes its sources, I do not find another source. This in a minor academic point as, clinically, ectopic pegnancies do not look, sound, or act like false pregnancies. 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: I emailed the author of the source {{done}}

message: # False_pregnancy lede
## Conflates diagnosis and treatment: "Ultrasound can be used to rule out false pregnancy, although pharmacotherapy is sometimes needed.[2]"
## From ref 2: "Psychiatric procedures that can be used in these patients include supportive, cognitive, behavioral and psychoanalytical psychotherapy that focuses on problem-solving. A combination of psychotherapy, pharmacotherapy with antidepressants or antipsychotics, hormonal therapy, and uterine curettage is effective in almost all or all patients" 
## Consider, "Examination, ultrasound, and pregnancy tests can be used to rule out false pregnancy. Psychotherapy, pharmacotherapy with antidepressants or antipsychotics, hormonal therapy, and uterine curettage are sometimes needed as treatment.[2]" 
## Ref 2 Azizi M, Elyasi F (September 2017). "Biopsychosocial view to pseudocyesis: A narrative review". International Journal of Reproductive Biomedicine (Review). 15 (9): 535–542. PMC 5894469. PMID 29662961. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5894469/
# False_pregnancy#Classification
## Misquote: "it is listed as "not elsewhere classified", meaning it is different than other somatic disorders formerly known as conversion disorders.[1]"  
## From ref 1: "The fact that it is included in a Not Elsewhere Classified section means that it is in a category by itself, different from other Somatic symptom disorders such as Functional Neurological Disorder (previously, Conversion Disorder)."
## Consider: "it is listed as "not elsewhere classified", meaning it is in a category by itself, different from other Somatic symptom disorders such as Functional Neurological Disorder (previously, Conversion Disorder).[1]"
## Ref 1: Tarín JJ, Hermenegildo C, García-Pérez MA, Cano A (May 2013). "Endocrinology and physiology of pseudocyesis". Reproductive Biology and Endocrinology (Review). 11: 39. doi:10.1186/1477-7827-11-39. PMC 3674939. PMID 23672289. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3674939/
# False_pregnancy#Risk_factors
## Incomplete and reversed sequence: "... and hysterectomy (sterilization surgery)" 
## From ref 2: "A grief reaction following tubal ligation, or hysterectomy" is in the paper twice and “sterilization surgery (hysterectomy)" once.
## Consider  "...and tubal ligation, or hysterectomy"
## Ref 2 Azizi M, Elyasi F (September 2017). "Biopsychosocial view to pseudocyesis: A narrative review". International Journal of Reproductive Biomedicine (Review). 15 (9): 535–542. PMC 5894469. PMID 29662961. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5894469/
# False_pregnancy#Diagnosis
##Misquote and incorrect: "…, a urinalysis tests for hormones released in pregnancy, …" 
## Ref 8 “A urinalysis will usually come back negative…” Note: A urinalysis usually tests for infection, diabetes, metabolic problems, etc. but not pregnancy. Also, an early pregnancy can be missed by all tests.
## Ref 8 “The same tests to confirm an actual pregnancy are done to diagnose a false pregnancy.”
## Consider "…, a blood pregnancy test (serum β-hCG) or urine pregnancy test, …”
## new ref: Li X, Zhang C, Li Y, Yuan J, Lu Q, Wang Y. Predictive values of the ratio of beta-human chorionic gonadotropin for failure of salpingostomy in ectopic pregnancy. Int J Clin Exp Pathol. 2019 Mar 1;12(3):901-908. PMID: 31933899; PMCID: PMC6945191.
## new ref: Ahmad MF, Abu MA, Chew KT, Sheng KL, Zakaria MA. A positive urine pregnancy test (UPT) with adnexal mass; ectopic pregnancy is not the ultimate diagnosis. Horm Mol Biol Clin Investig. 2018 Mar 20;34(2):/j/hmbci.2018.34.issue-2/hmbci-2018-0004/hmbci-2018-0004.xml. doi: 10.1515/hmbci-2018-0004. PMID: 29558344.
## keep previous ref 8: "Pseudocyesis: what exactly is a false pregnancy?". American Pregnancy Association. Retrieved July 30, 2020.
# False_pregnancy#Management
## Management and diagnosis conflated "False pregnancy can be ruled out with ultrasound,[2] but additional interventions such as psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy are sometimes needed.[2] 
## Delete the first phrase (it is duplicated earlier). Use "Additional interventions such as psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy are sometimes needed."[2]
# False_pregnancy#Management
## Incomplete and misleading: "When underlying medical conditions are identified, surgical treatments may resolve the conditions along with the false pregnancy symptoms.[5]"
## As stated, it implies surgery can treat medical conditions. 
## From Ref 5 “We found that 23 of 140 cases (16.4%) were potentially influenced by concomitant medical or surgical conditions including gallstones, abdominal tumors, hyperprolactinemia, constipation, a tubal cyst, and esophageal achalasia. Medical or surgical treatment was pursued in 15 of these 23 cases, followed by mitigation of the delusion in ten”
## Consider "When underlying medical or surgical conditions including gallstones, abdominal tumors, hyperprolactinemia, and constipation are identified, treatment may reduce the severity of the delusion.”
## Ref 5 Gogia S, Grieb A, Jang A, Gordon MR, Coverdale J (June 2020). "Medical considerations in delusion of pregnancy: a systematic review". J Psychosom Obstet Gynaecol: 1–7. doi:10.1080/0167482X.2020.1779696. PMID 32597281.
# False_pregnancy#Society_and_culture
## Incorrect quote of another Wikipedia page "Anna O, Sigmund Freud's most famous patient,   " 
## Anna O was Josef Breuer's patient published in collaboration with Freud per Anna O. 
## Consider:  "Anna O, Sigmund Freud and Josef Breuer's patient,   " or add another reference
Memdmarti (talk) 03:49, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
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