Talk:BitComet/Archive 1

message: Anyone think that we should add BitComet lite, the bitcomet tracker and the FLV player to the article?  http://bitcomet.com/tools/index.htm  Darthnader37 23:26, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the article appears to be only about the bitcomet client only, but since it is kind of stub as is, I don't really see any harm in adding it. If there is enough information it could eventually be put into its own article. -Dr. WTF 21:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: While BitComet had previously throtttled the network, the problem has spupposedly been fixed in current releases. And the utorrent forum is not really a source, as it is a forum for a competing client, and thus not really reliable. If someone can find a list of old or curent client faults from a reputable source, then that would be better.Darthnader37 23:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.zeropaid.com/bitcomet/ contains info on bitcomet getting banned and its previously flawed DHT implementation --Dr. WTF 21:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for contributing the links, I added a few of them into the article. As for the logfile from your university's tracker, remember that original research isn't allowed. But it could probably be linked to as an example, just not as a citation. --Dr. WTF 02:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Recently someone changed the classification of Bitcomet from adware to freeware. This is wrong as Bitcomet does indeed contain ads. If you are downloading a video and use the 'Preview' functionality it will display an ad while it is buffering/loading. http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/391/bitcometqe9.png is a screenshot of the ads. --Dr. WTF 03:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was indeed the person who changed the license type. I haven't been able to find any reputable articles on the Internet claiming BC contains adware other than a few forum postings, but these are generally not people with a NPOV or any actual facts on their side. I didn't change it based off the official product description, but rather as a default because it has yet to be demonstrated that there are any ads within BC as of the current version (0.79). Whoblitzell 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is true, previous versions of BitComet did contain advertisements (from third party webpages, not built-in from what I could tell). To my knowledge, these were not obtrusive and were not pop-ups. Whoblitzell 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  I tend to agree. Usually if something contains adware, it's not terribly difficult to tell. There are usually plenty of annoying pop-ups or visible ads. Afterall, ads nobody can see aren't terribly useful to advertisers. It's the spyware that is usually silent and monitors your activity. However, I have never even heard the allegation that Bitcomet contains spyware. Whoblitzell 16:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell? Have you read any of the above? It isn't difficult to tell at all. Go to the official website right now and download version 0.70 (current stable release), open up a torrent then click the preview button (select a file and click 'ok' or whatever it says). While it is buffering you will be presented with an ad, without fail, everytime you use this feature. If that isn't adware then what is? Software doesn't have to be overly obnoxious or even obvious to be adware. As for an update on this, I am going to go ahead and post on their forums about this to see what kind of response I get, hopefully someone from the staff will respond. --Dr. WTF 21:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Adware versus Freeware

message: I find it strange that bitcomet installs a BHO (BitComet Helper - look at Manage Addons in IE) since such has nothing to do with torrents. It's easy to disable but since there is no explanation of its purpose I assume it is for spying or tracking purposes (privacy).
::My guess is it 'snatches' downloads much like a download manager, except for .torrent files. This is a setup option in .79. Then again it could be adware. Whoblitzell 19:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  spyware/tracking? 

message: Should explain in the article wtf that is.
Do we still need that? There is an article, and it is not needed. Unless someone else disagrees, i'll remove it. 67.181.82.100 22:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DHT? 

message: Bitcomet now has BCTP linking. I believe this is for passing torrents to friends or some kind of one click torrent, not sure. Please add this to article.--x1987x 02:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea for someone not lazy! Especially this info: http://wiki.bitcomet.com/help/BCTP_Link_Format 68.114.109.68 06:49, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BCTP? 

message: BitComet misbehaviour is not just limited to the DHT issue about private trackers, there is another problem in my opinion much more important.
I was SuperSeeding with Azureus and noticed a serious ineffeciency problem, went to investigate and found this:
BitComet clients disconnect and reconnect as soon as they have a piece downloaded from the Azureus superseed. Thus, Azureuse never gets a chance to determine whether the client is a big uploader. To make matters worse, for some reason Azureus will upload to the "new" peers before uploading to known big uploaders. It appears to me this has a pretty bad effect on the effectiveness of superseeding.
I get much better performance if I regularly kick and ban all BitComets manually.
According to this, an initial seeding benefits if the seeder bans all BitComets (they can still get the packets from the other peers). The problem is that many are using BitComet with spoofed ids, such as Azureus 2.3.0.6 or µTorrent 1.3.0. The first is easy to tell because BitComet does not support advanced messaging. Artemis3 04:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Azureus and BitComet seem to clash. Azureus should fix it's uploading in superseed mode to "new" peers. And bitcomet needs to fix DHT and add Super-seed. Super-seed mode isnt even part of BitTorrent's protocol, it in itself is just a cheep hack. And those patches like "bitcomet accelerator" are just mods to have bitcomet update to the tracker every 5 seconds, a simple patch that could be done for every bt client, besides every modern bt prog has a manual update button, the trackers should just not give clients an update, simple as that, and you fix it. --x1987x 00:49, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "BitComet doesn't play nice" 

message: While I do use uTorrent, and love it, I don't think that uTorrent should be plugged in as a "good alternative" because that is an opinion, and it gives unfair promotion to uTorrent. Maybe it should be, "Alternatives to BitComet can be found at the list of BitTorrent clients page" or something like that -Copysan
:It's a wiki you could edit it! I replaced with that little promo for utorrent with a factual "blurb." Worthless promotion. "Try Acme Cheeze!" --x1987x 00:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  That plug for uTorrent is hardly NPOV 

message: I always thought that 1GB was 1024 MB not 1000MB (similarly 1024 bytes in a kilobyte)...
:See the box at the top of our Megabyte article. SI units are in powers of 10. --GraemeL (talk) 20:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1000 MB / GB 

message: I've heard there's ads in recent version of BitComet if your language is set to Chinese. Can anyone verify (and add to main article if true)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.45.49.169 (talk • contribs) 10:39 9 June 2006 (UTC)
:No, that's false. I just changed the language to both versions of Chinese and back with no difference. — Nathan (talk) 21:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there was always ads in the Chinese version, just look at the corresponding Chinese wikipedia page for the screenshot. The ad is in place of the PayPal donate button. Gwwfps 08:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's odd. — Nathan (talk) 19:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's now in the English version as well. — Nathan (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the Chinese version only, but not in English. If you download the BitComet from the official website, it should be free of adware. — Tan pang(talk) 23:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ads in recent versions?" 

message: Seems as though that the criticism is too much of the article, and needs to have more information to counteract it. Any ideas/suggestions? 67.181.82.100 00:32, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to agree with just the criticisms, but from what I've read on the net most of it seems true. Since version .70, it has become quite bloated with stuff such as "Bit Comet Passport". I used this program since its early days and I can say that at one time it was much more stable, efficient, and less bloated than it has been in recent releases. I'm not sure how version .79 is, but .76 and .78 crashed within minutes of installation. I have since stopped using BC and I cannot say I'd recommend it to anyone these days. Whoblitzell 19:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Should we keep the screenshots up to date with the version? It would probably make it look better, and we could probably make the previous versions a separate article under history of bitcomet or list of bitcomet versions. The former would probably be better, but I am just throwing this out. Any suggestions?
And Dr. WTF, what version of windows is that screenshot on? Also wondering if an XP skin should be on screenshot instead. Darthnader37 04:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on XP SP2. If you feel it should have the XP theme on I can make and upload another one, or you or anyone else can if you want to. --Dr. WTF 22:15, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshots

message: I changed the license type from Adware to Freeware. I haven't found any articles stating there is adware within Bit Comet. I'll be the first person to say Bit Comet sucks, but my own adware and spyware scans haven't found anything. Whoblitzell 19:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: License type

message: I think the article has only got the negative aspects of the program shown. 
It does not tell it's easy to use, and to learn to use...
But I leave someone with more wikipedia experience to do it...
G3n3tiX 19:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative aspects only about BC 

message: Good idea, but need to put in a more encylopedic way, and not say "as advertised". It needs to be determined what is and is not in the client, and present htem in a better way. Also, help on version history and story behind BitComet through knowledgable members or admins would be apprectiated. 67.181.82.100 22:31, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Features & History

message: Citation for most of the alleged flaws refers only to a forum discussion containing more unsupported allegations offered without evidence. These are not suitable documentation and constitute nothing more than opinion by parties arguably in interest. The entry should be finally purged of all such allegations if substantiating evidence is not forthcoming. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.88.232.157 (talk) 04:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported allegations taken as proof 

message: This article quite clearly emphasizes negative allegations against BitComet and does little to weigh them out with anything positive. When I preview a file in 0.80, I don't see any advertisements. I'm willing to bet most people don't preview files period, either. I only see a flash animation that links to the bitcomet homepage. This to me isn't really an ad, because it isn't selling anything or moving them to action it's just a link to the homepage. The screenshot for the lyric site is a very old version of BC. Regardless of whether previous versions of BC contained ads, the latest version 0.80 does not appear to have it. In addition to this, regardless of whether you call it a 'stable' release or not, verison 0.80 is currently the latest version that is available for download on CNET and the main BC homepage. The 0.70 is available only under the archive section of the download page. I'm not editing this article any more, because it's clear it has been taken over by a few overly-vocal users that are obsessed with clinging on to semantics for purposes of hijacking the article for their own rather biased POV against BC
I am not disagreeing with you, we are just stating that bitcomet has ads in the preview section as of .60, which is the latest "stable" version. (All the admins of the site recommend that everyone use the lastest "stable") I persaonally have never verified this, and if you want to prove the screenshot wrong in version .70 and .80, then feel free to. I strive for relibility, and I am going to try and independently verify this myself using both versions. Fell free to display and finding on the talk page. 67.181.82.100 19:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed Neutrality

message: Does anyone know exactly what the Health column means?  I've googled, but haven't found an answer I like.  Sometimes it's less than % that I've completed.  It also seems like sometimes it's lower than the highest peers %, when there are no seeds. - Peregrine Fisher 05:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its how many complete copies of the file there are in the swarm. ex: if the percentage is 5000% then there are 50 complete copies among the entire swarm. Darthnader37 06:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then how can it be lower than the percentage I have? - Peregrine Fisher 07:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health % column 

message: Could these two sections be merged? I think it would make more sense. Mlscdi 11:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy and Criticisms 

message: If anyone wants to comment on the article, please do so here, or change facts around with supporting evidence as you see fit. The article space is no place for comments, just verifiable information. Darthnader37 02:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments