Talk:2008 GP2 Series

message: At the moment, the discussion is just about the flags used in the calendar/schedule table (I think!), but we should remember than flags and/or country abbreviations are used in these tables as well, including driver articles.  For example, when I created some of the F3000 season articles (1995-2004), the seasons up to 1999 use circuit abbreviations and country flags because the F3000 races then were not F1 support races.  From 1999 onwards, the articles use the WP:F1 abbreviations and GP country flags, as from this season all of the F3000 races were F1 support races.  I have a long-term project to add a "Complete Formula 3000" results table to all F3000 driver articles, so should the decision made above affect the season results and individual driver article tables, or just the calendar/schedule table?-- Diniz(talk) 13:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but I don't think a decision has been reached yet. Pau Grand Prix is probably a good test case, does it use the French flag ('location') or, I don't know, the coat of arms of Pau? The former would probably be more informative. 4u1e (talk) 15:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, at the moment the 1998 Formula 3000 season article (the last time the GP de Pau was an F3000 race) gives a French flag in the tables added by Doma-w and a French flag and the abbreviation "PAU" in the (colour-coded) table I added.  Since every single F3000 race from 1999 to 2004 was an F1 support race, there aren't any exceptions as there have been with the GP2 Series.-- Diniz(talk) 13:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any exceptions since 1998. And the tables are contradictorily labelled as 'Country' rather than 'associated F1 race'. It's this sort of 'trivial' each way bet that I was attempting to clean up. --Falcadore (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, every F3000 race from 1999 onwards was an F1 support race.  For how the race abbreviations are currently used, you may wish to take a look at the skeleton table in my reference page.-- Diniz(talk) 14:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahem I meant to imply that F3000 is indeed older than 1999 but that's not important. My primary concern as mentioned is the contradiction in labelling and flags. While I have a preference that the flag should indicate the location of the circuits as to renaming the table label I just want it fixed not left in the present situation which is ambiguous and jargonistic at best, implying the reader should already know about the links with Formula One, and wrong at worst. --Falcadore (talk) 01:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I misunderstood you there.  I would still prefer the relevant calendar tables in the post-1998 F3000 and GP2 Series to be expanded to avoid confusion if possible, but I guess that keeping the headings consistent is most important.  Perhaps a note at the bottom of the table along the lines of "All of the races in the championship are support races to the 2008 Formula One season Grands Prix indicated by the country in which they took place, except the round in Valencia which supported the 2008 European Grand Prix", although I'm sure that the wording could be improved.-- Diniz(talk) 22:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A note saying, "I'm sorry I know its wrong but here is why...". No. Correct either the flag or the label, then add a note explaining the link to the EU GP. The explanation should explain the exception to the norm, not show why the norm is different to the exception, that's just backwards. --Falcadore (talk) 03:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I meant that the note should be put in after the relevant change is made, i.e. Spanish flag for the Valencian round. I didn't express that clearly above.-- Diniz(talk) 13:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Season results", "Results at a glance" and "Complete GP2 Series/Formula 3000 results" tables

message: Is there any particular reason why many of the tables in this article are full-width? They are all based on earlier F3000/GP2 and Formula One tables, and none of them are full width. I would further argue that the non-full width tables look better and are easier to read (see example)) --Jimmy Magnusson (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Full-width tables

message: Would like the know what is the purpose of the new calendar table? How exactly is it an impressive improvement? --Falcadore (talk) 09:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I came across this page looking at the recent changes of my Malaysian fella and saw this his last edits... I think that the current table without the pole and fastest lap is nice, but it won't be easy to make HIM understand that ;) However I have a question: do you feel the flags near the teams are strictly necessary? I mean, it's not a that useful information since I think it's a little information to know in which country is a team based, especially if it's a team from a feeder series of a major motorsport... I'd like to know what you think! Asendoh (talk) 17:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh it's him again. Fine I'll just revert. - No I don't personally believe flags for teams to be neccessary - especially the double flag for Piquet Sport - I think Alan Docking Racing is getting two flags elsewhere (A1GP?) as well. --Falcadore (talk) 01:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table revision