Talk:Scottish cuisine

message: All other articles on aspects of Scottish life follow the form of "X or/in Scotland," save Scots law. What do folks think of the title of the current article?     Canæn  03:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikipedia convention is that things associated with people and culture are named "fooish x", and other things are named "x of foo". The std for cuisine, which is cultural, is "fooish", see :Category:Cuisine by nationality and :Category:Categories by nationality. --Mais oui! 07:22, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was following the French cuisine, German cuisine convention when I created this article (although there are still some articles such as Cuisine of Morocco which do not follow this) Nach0king 12:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title?

message: Forgive me if this has been raised before. Accordingly with the subject I REALLY do have a big greasy caledonian chip on my shoulder. Surely this is within the remit of Scottish cuisine, not as a byblow of English/UK culturally imperialistic opinion, viz. all the chat about the Scots Tung being a dialect of English. Full English Breakfast surely has its place, (obviously without those dodgy American Hash Browns shewn in the illustration for the so-called English Breakfast :)), But Scotland is the home of the Black pudding, at least in the last hundred or so years, just as Ireland is home to the White pudding, not to mention Scotland's wonderful Square sausage, tattie scone, dumpling, and the recent arrival of haggis as a morning bite.(dubious however, as it's a bit of a "We're different" token). Let's see who has the best coronaries in these islands. I think our menu is far better qualified  to stand on its own rather than perch on the back of a Saxon Greasy-spoons menu. Brendandh 00:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Scottish breakfast]] 

message: In my opinion the current article is not written in a neutral point of view. One paragraph in particular concerns me.
In the following
*Scotland, in common with the other parts of the British Isles suffered during the twentieth century. Rationing during the conflicts that affected that period, and large scale industrial agriculture limited the diversity of food available to the public. During the latter part of the century, the greater part of Scottish 'quality' produce was exported, and inferior imported. The fruits of Scotland's seas gracing European restaurants, whilst children in Glasgow were eating processed American Fish fingers and other processed foods. Scotland suffered under the UK wide BSE and Foot and Mouth legislation, when it was hardly affected. One result of this however, is that Scottish meat is now considered one of the safest on the planet as a result of the stringent controls in place 
#None of the references show that the majority of quality scottish food is exported , or that inferior was imported. 
# The referencegiven does not show that glasgows children were eating American fish fingers.
# Is there any need to say American fish fingers wouldn't simply processed food, as backed up by the reference be enough.
# The phrasing is delibrately emotive , contrasting the 'fruits of Scotland's seas' in 'European restaurants' with childrens food.
# The references for Scottish meat is now considered one of the safest on the planet come from the National Farmers union of Scotland, The Quality meat standards board of scotland which cannot be considered as unbiased sources. The final reference is from the UK government 'Food Standard agenecy' and does not mention scotish specifically ,except to say a scotish goat may have had BSE and in general says 'Currently there have been more cases in the UK than anywhere else in the world' which suggests the opposite of the quoted statement.
I dont know what can be salvaged fom the above or whether it would be better to delete the whole quoted piece. All views welcome. GameKeeper 23:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with your changes (although I've cleaned it up a little and in fact removed a little more). If such info is to be included it needs to be cited throughout and written in more neutral tones. Thanks for dealing with it. Nach0king 14:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[NPOV]]

message: It is widely and citably claimed, whether correct or not, that chicken tikka masala has its origins in Scotland. This has a place in the article. It is currently listed in the section Traditional Scottish foods. What is the cut-off point for "traditional"? As the article is Scottish cuisine should the section simply be "Scottish foods"? Should there instead be separate lists of traditional and (more) modern Scottish foods (the newer cheeses, Tayberries and the pan loaf, already listed; other fusion foods such as haggis pakora; deep fried Mars bars)? Should the section "Scottish beverages" be listed as "Traditional Scottish beverages" for consistency or divided into traditional and modern? Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:09, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Tika masala is not a traditional food. Listing it under traditonal makes the list looks stupid and idiotic. Make a seperate list for foods created by recent immigrants to Scotland. --Bob247 (talk) 05:23, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Lanark Blue should also be removed as with anything else which is not passed down through the generations. Alternatively, rename the section foods invented and consumed in Scotland. --Bob247 (talk) 05:47, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicken tikka masala etc. 

message: Cuisine and diet are two separate issues.  Fast food is not Scottish Cuisine even if it is part of the Scottish diet.  This article confuses the two and so talk about chips and big macs ought to be removed.  IManOM (talk) 11:52, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

message: There are a lot of red-links in the list of Scottish Food's - I hope no one has been making stuff up or adding their own "home recipes" to the list. Every country has...interesting cuisine names but I just want to check! --Τασουλα (talk) 16:36, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  There were three entries in the cakes/breads section that looked particularly suspicious.  I removed all the red links.  Rojomoke (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links 

message: As an American, I have no idea what Heather Ale is, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it isn't a character in Irish mythology.  Right now, Heather Ale links to Fraoch, which redirects to Fráech who is a hero from the Ulster cycle in Irish mythology but whose article has a small note at the bottom that says that "Fraoch is also the name of the heather ale of the picts".  This doesn't really seem helpful at all.  I'd clean it up myself, but I don't know anything about Heather Ale.  Should it perhaps just be linked to the page on Beer in Scotland?  KeithyIrwin (talk) 07:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heather Ale 

message: I'm not happy with the last paragraph of the lead, which reads;
Scottish cuisine is enjoying a renaissance[when?]. In most towns, Chinese and Indian take-away restaurants exist alongside traditional fish and chip shops. In larger towns and cities the cuisine may also include Thai, Japanese, Mexican, Pakistani, Polish and Turkish cuisines.
Apart from the fact that it partially contradicts the description given in the first two paragraphs, I think it misses the point. Indian, Chinese, etc, takaways/restaurants are not 'Scottish cuisine'; they're examples of Indian and Chinese cuisine, which happen to be available in Scotland. There are examples of Indo-Scottish fusion food (an dpossibly others too) which would warrant inclusion, but for now I'd like to remove the whole paragraph. Comments anyone? Santa Suit (talk) 18:43, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Other than casual observation I am not in a position to verify or otherwise the first sentence (and in the former vein things have certainly improved). However I am not sure the intention here was to corroborate the first with the second sentence. Perhaps the meaning this intends to convey is that "In addition, most towns ... and that these have in turn influenced the native fare". The dubious Munchy box would seem to be in this category for instance. I am entirely lacking in hard copy sources on the subject I am afraid. Ben MacDui 19:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unhappy with lead 

message: A user has twice removed some red links for items that could feasibly and usefully have an article. I requested that they familiarise themself with WP:REDLINK but from their most recent edit summary it would seem they did not. Please restore the links or explain why WP:REDNO would apply here. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You have changed the links to something else, rather than restore them; not what you were requested. Mutt Lunker (talk) 16:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing red links 

message: The Scots word for spring onion is Syboes (pronounced sigh bees), a mass noun invariable as to Number; and this is the plant's Latin name (derived from Greek). It's perfectly possible, however, that ciboule comes in parallel from the same Classical source.
Nuttyskin (talk) 13:53, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Syboe—from ciboule''