Talk:Gorani people

message: Goranis, higlanders so the title should be done by using the singular form such as German people, not Germans people. Gorani means aldready Gorans, like Goranci. 
I remind of that there is an other people group named [| Gorani] in Kurdistan. That is why I recommend using the Gorans as in original, like the Goranets (Goran male), Goranka (Goran female). It is also visible that the i in the ends signs Iranians such as Farsî, Kurdî, Afganî etc. Thanks and Regards Anton.aldemir (talk) 22:12, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mispresentation

message: It is wrongly stated that Novo Selo is part of Gora and as one who hails from Novo Selo( even that is wrong, the correct name; it's called Novosej) and people of Novosej are albanians and speak only albanian...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.106.109.42 (talk) 13:48, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: So, who are Gorani, Macedonians or Serbs? Kosovo and Metohia is not province of Albania. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.151.83 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 22 March 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The Gorani are Serbs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.95.203 (talk • contribs) 17:28, 30 March 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I resepct ur opinion but the Gorani are bosniaks (muslim Croats) and are related to them but even without bosniaks they are still related to the Croats and should be recognized as such 78.0.55.150 (talk) 19:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The Gorani are Macedonians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.162.225.248 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 29 June 2004 (UTC)

text: ...Gorani are just Gorani, Macedonians and Serbs are nothing more than Slav subdivisions anyhow. It's how they declare themselves in three countries, and how that's how they are. They are not ethnicly different from one another so it's hard to tell. Those in Macedonia may consider themselves Macedonian and those in Kosovo, probably Serbian if they wish. What you cannot have is Gorani saying they are Macedonian if they live in Serbia, or Serbian if they live in Macedonia, because if they were Macedonian when living in Serbia, you'd have Macedonians in Macedonia who are Orthodox, Macedonians in Macedonia who are Muslim, Macedonians in Serbia who are Muslim which means that the Orthodox Slavs of Serbia would also be Macedonian, hence a victory for Macedonian Nationalism as this way they could claim the whole of Serbia, or possibly you can have Gorani Serbs in Macedonia making Orthodox Slavs Serbs in Serbia, Muslim Slavs Serbian in Serbia, Muslim Slavs Serbian in Macedonia, thus Orthodox Slavs also Serbian in Macedonian bla bla bla...Ragusan 20:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Gorans are islamizayd bulgarians bogomils.They cam in Gora from Estern Bulgaria,probobly from areas around Black Sea.They speak a torlaks dialekt of bulgarian language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.85.79.196 (talk • contribs) 09:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I used to work for a Gorani man in Australia. I'm not sure if this is true, but he told me they were Bosniaks who were one there way to Turkey after Austria-Hungary occupied Bosnia. I can't remember exactly, but he said something went wrong for them, like Turkey didn't accept them and Austria-Hungary didn't want them either so they were stuck in that area. They adopted Albanian surnames, but for some reason hate Albanians, and are Pro-Serbian. Again, I'm not sure if this is true. This is just from a Gorani farmer I worked for in Australia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gradanin (talk • contribs) 07:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macedonians or Serbs 

message: Copied from :de:Gorani via Babelfish:
Gorani is a Kurdish dialect and province Kermanschah and in the Hewraman mountains of a small group is spoken. This dialect is called sometimes also Hewrami and stands to Zazaki (D?m?li) very near. In this dialect there are the oldest literary documents of the Kurdish language. Many speakers of this dialect belong to the religious grouping Ehl e chop. There are very many religious documents in this dialect is written. Gorani became up to 19. Century used by many Kurds in Iran and Iraq more and more of the Sorani dialect displaces however later. Sorani became supposed by the sunnitischen influences more importantly and thus became this dialect also more strongly. One can see it also completely clear today that Gorani dialect predominantly from Ehl e chop Kurds spoken wird.[bearbeiten ] Writing works The most important writing works are: 874-Seitige Shîrîn u Xusrew from the year 1975 of Xanay Qûbadi (lived 1700-1759). It was published in Bagdad. 789-Seitiger Diwan in 19. Century of the poet Feqe Qadiri Hemewend. The Koran in Gorani in 19. Century of Haci Nuri Eli Ilahi (Nuri Eli Shah). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikola Smolenski (talk • contribs) 06:37, 12 July 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, which might mean a disambiguation page. Refdoc 00:34, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Several things, but if I may ask first, where did you found the information that Gorani is English name of dialect of Serbian which Gorani speak and that Gorani is name for Kurds which speak Gorani dialect of Kurdish? Names for people and their language are rarely same in English. Nikola 21:12, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they are often enough the same- German/German, French/French, Italian/Italian, WRT to Gorani (Gora mountains) => official British refugee documentation (of/for and about)  You can argue about the correctness, but this does not alter the usage. It is probably the result of being the language of only a couple of 10.000 people and that the '-nski' is pretty much unpronouncable for many British people - at least Home Office officials etc , someone at some stage made it up this way and others accepted it without much questioning and now this is the use. The Kurds - ask Kurds from the Iranian border and if they know Hewramanis/Goranis they should confirm it to you. Google is probably not going to tell you much. Both names are in use: Gorani and Hewrami/Hewramani for all that is verifiable. The defining feature is probably the combination of dialect with being  r a small religious minority  - Ahl-e Haqq. You can argue whether this is sufficient to make it an ethnic group but that is proabably the same as with the Gora mountain people - defined by remoteness, odd dialect and religiously -> "othered" by their neighbours, ' eventually treated in a hostile manner and finally formed some sort of own identity. Refdoc 01:33, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the [[Gorani (language)|Gorani language]] 

message: It should have started by 16th century
The article states that these people converted to islam in the late 18th century. I think it's a bit late, the Ottoman Empire was already weak at that time. They conveted more probably during the 16th and 17th centuries.--Revas 23:53, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Gorani are known for converting to Islam very late. PANONIAN (talk) 16:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of conversion 

message: This is probably why a pro-Bulgarian movement has been organized. In the economic and political desperation in Kosovo or among the Kosovo refugees no one should blame them. Well, Serbia is right if it's not happy about the Gorani becoming Bulgarian. In my opinion however, the Gorani in Kosovo, Serbia and FYROM will not gain any efficient support from Bulgaria. In spite of the legends told in Serbia, Bosnia and FYROM, I doubt that the Bulgarian authorities are so easily fooled. The regime of granting passports is tightening each time and the period of waiting for a 'yes' or 'no' now is over three years even for the Bulgarians from Caribrod and Bosilegrad, who are officially recognized by the Serbian state. Besides, Bulgaria has its own Muslims and needs no more of them. This is why the 'Return to Bulgaria' project is active in Ukraine, Moldova and among the Orthodox Macedonians but not in Kosovo, among the Macedonian Torbeši or the Pomaks of Northern Greece.</br>
These disputes of who the Gorani are and who has the right on them are in vain and useless. It doesn't matter anymore, especially after 1999, when they fled Kosovo for good. Their overall number is insignificant and their future will depend on their individual choice. As far as I know, most Gorani who fled Kosovo have gone to Serbia proper. In two generations they will assimilate and become Serbs. If they go to FYROM: "Macedonians" or Albanians. If some among them convince the Bulgarian authorities and obtain Bulgarian passports: fine, they will go to Bulgaria or (most likely) will try Germany or Switzerland and become confectioners or café owners, until they obtain German or Swiss citizenship. The fourth group will go to Bosnia and become part of the new Bosniak nation (isn't it strange, with so many nations in such a small country (former SFRY), at least three of them never heard of before 1945!).</br>
And a remark to the article: why doesn't it say anything about the Gorani in Albania? It is there where the "we are Bulgarians" voices are heard most often and listened to in Sofia.
85.11.148.71 08:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: if you want to know more about gorans in Albania ask them yourself http://nashshishtavec.easyfreeforum.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.74.11.225 (talk • contribs) 15:28, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: First of all, only Bulgarians are Bulgarians. Macedonians and Gorani are not Bulgarians, but only Macedonians and Gorani and nothing else. That is how they declare themselves in censa and that is how they are recognnized in the countries where they live.  Regarding Gorani, it is correct that most of them now live in Central Serbia and Vojvodina, and I also agree that something should be written about Gorani who live in Albania. PANONIAN (talk) 14:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, the issue is complicated. They speak Torlakian and Torlakian-Shop dialects are claimed to be Serbian by Serbian linguists and Bulgarian by Bulgarian linguists. The truth is that Torlakian-Shop dialects are in fact separate from both, Serbian and Bulgarian, and represent completelly unique South Slavic form of speech. PANONIAN (talk) 16:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You have some examples of Gorani songs here: http://www.rastko.org.yu/rastko-gora/umetnost/knjizevnost/narodna/hhasani-narodne1987/hhasani-pesme.php Very interesting language indeed. :) PANONIAN (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorani are Macedonians, Macedonians are Bulgarians 

message: Slavic Torlaks live also in North-western Bulgaria in and around the towns of Chiprovtsi, Archar, Lom and Godech. They identify themselves as Bulgarians and are Eastern Orthodox Christians by religion. They are called also Zadgorski Shopi (Shopi being the peasants from the surroundings of Bulgarian capital Sofia and 'Zadgorski' meaning 'from the other side of the mountain'. Sofia and the Torlak region are divided by the western slopes of the Stara Planina mountain). So, if the Gorani are Torlaks too, they are maybe closely related to Bulgarians?</br>
There are Christian Slavs in Eastern Albania (nearly 50 000 in Golo Brdo) who speak for themselves as for "Nashintsi" and identify themselves as Bulgarians. As the Gorani also use a Slavic dialect named "Nashinski", it is possible that some claim for Bulgarian ethnic identity isn't false. Bulgarian anthropologists insist that some Slavic dialects from western Bulgaria, eastern Serbia, Kosovo, Albania and Gora are transitory and not purely Serbian or Bulgarian.</br>
It is a matter of discussion among Bulgarian intellectuals about what should be the position of Bulgaria towards the Gorani. The government doesn't demonstrate any concern for this small group of Muslim Slavs, though.</br>
A certain number of Gorani people from Prizren have already declared themselves Bulgarians and have asked the support of Bugaria for their cause which they define as cantonal autonomy within the newly declared Republic of Kosovo.
Manol Glishev,</br>
Sofia, Bulgaria</br>
01:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bulgaria and the Gorani

message: You know, people, the talk page is supposed to be used for resolving edit disputes, and talking in the edit summaries during an edit war is not quite polite wqa. That being said, I agree with Noah that the source only mentions one isolated attack, and does not attribute it to Albanians. The article also contains several questionable statements about Serbization/Albanization of surnames (Serbization in Belgrade is mentioned). While, personally, I do have an impression that Gorani-Albanian relations are far from perfect, better sources are indeed required to back that up or dismiss it. Duja 20:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page 

message: Does anybody know whos origin have Gorani? ManiaC 15:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the most repeated simple short explanation lies in one of their attributes => "Slavo-Serbian". --PaxEquilibrium 17:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin? 

message: I have deleted the link to the german page, because it refered to the gorani language in India. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gast.zarathustra (talk • contribs) 09:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interwiki to [[de:Gorani]] 

message: ...none of them were adopted... and only "Serbian nationalists think they are Serbs" is kept in the article. I suppose Gorani are Serbian nationalists then. ;( --PaxEquilibrium 18:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well most of them are. Nikola 08:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry? --PaxEquilibrium 15:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most Gorani are Serb nationalists. Nikola 05:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that's a too far generalization - how do you know that? --PaxEquilibrium 00:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't trust Nikola since he makes only POV edits at Wikipedia. Most Gorani do not identify as Serbs. --Noah30 06:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  However, neither of the two of you are correct - approximately one half of Gorans consider themselves Serbs, while the other maintains a separate cultural identity (however this article should not only rely on what they think; 200,000 Vlachs in the Timok Frontier simply consider themselves Serbs and just Serbs - but fact is that they are of Vlach/Romanian/whatever origin - ask any Carasevan, he'll tell you he's a Croat - but indeed only a tiny number of them are of Croatian origins in the first place). --PaxEquilibrium 15:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My suggestions... 

message: I thought Duja will expand the article but it seems either he forgot or no one will. ;( --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 22:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite? 

message: Reasons of the edit:
# The country mentioned in the article was called Ottoman Empire in 1912.
# In literaure, we cannot see any references of a Kingdom of Turkey.
# Ataturk became the first president of Republic of Turkey with the foundation of Turkish Republic in 1923.
# In 1912, Ataturk did not posess a critical position in the Ottoman political arena.
Sercankabakci (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ataturk's Kingdom of Turkey" vs Ottoman Empire 

message: 2008.06: Could we please have a review of the article, to reflect the changed status of Kosova/Kosovo since 2008.02? It would itself need to be reviewed carefully for neutrality, both in the language used and in the politics represented, due to the current diplomatic delicacies throughout this region, as evidenced above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Protozoon (talk • contribs) 09:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  After Kosovo's declaration of independence 

message: Please, dear macedonist RMK1, provide reliable refferences that this people are predominantly ethnic Macedonians in Albania, Kosovo and RoM. Thank you. Jingby (talk) 06:13, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, PMK, you did not even once try to explain why do you add the template. Whether you like it or not Gorani are separate people. What would you say if I was to add the "Bulgarians" template to the article about ethnic Macedonians? Probably the same? You're actions are making me think to actually add ethnic Macedonians on the "Bulgarians" template since they are considered Bulgarians in Bulgaria. Quite fair, no?!--Laveol T 12:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A significant proportion of the Gorani people identify as ethnic Macedonians. They speak a local dialect of Macedonian and similar in respects to the Macedonian Muslims, except these people inhabit the Gora region. There are ethnic Macedonian organisations such as the "Makedonska Goranska Zaednica". They print Macedonian language newspapers , . Apparently 13,000 Gorani have also gained Macedonian citizenship? . However, it is clear the Jingby is trying to hold on to their "Bulgarianness", while Laveol is still trying to convice Wikipedia that the Pomaks/Torbesh/Gorani are a seperate ethnic Group. Jingiby this is your POV summed up in one article . PMK1 (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Dear Bozhidar Dimitrov Jingiby, I suggest you stop with your personal attacks. BalkanFever 14:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A significant proportion of the Gorani people identify as ethnic Bulgarians. They speak a local dialect of Bulgarian and similar in respects to the Bulgarian Muslims. There are ethnic Bulgarian organisations such as the Културно-просветно дружество на българите в Жупа “Български мохамедани” and Младежко културно-просветно дружество “Гора”, Призрен. Many of them have applied for Bulgarian citizenship: . 
Note: In Kosovo left now around 10,000 Gorani, but 13,000 of them are Macedonians!!!  Jingby (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Note: I can write in bold too!!! BalkanFever 02:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Jingby please tell who does not want to be a Bulgarian? PMK1 (talk) 05:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You, obviously and that's nice enough. Now, would you quit the really funny jokes and start acting properly. This is so ORish that I can't believe even you try to prove it. Sorry, they are not ethnic Macedonians as ethnic Macedonians are not Bulgarians. You know, I can repeat your own argument, but for ethnic Macs - hmm, I won't do it, but you know what I mean. Plus, that matica or whatever is a really funny reading, supporting the view that ethnic Macedonians are the most numerous population on Earth (except maybe for Chinese). --Laveol T 13:25, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Please explain the purpose of having that Gorani are called by some Albanians 'bulgareci'? PLeas explain. PMK1 (talk) 12:11, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and? So what? What is your point?. Is it really necessary write what some Albanians call them in the second line? NO, it is not. PMK1 (talk) 08:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationalistic POV- template 

message: Since -^ Kosovo is the subject of a territorial dispute between the Republic of Serbia and the self-proclaimed Republic of Kosovo. It declared independence on 17 February 2008, while Serbia claims it as part of its own sovereign territory. Its independence is recognized by 75 UN member states - and according to other examples I am reverting this edits  to a stable version of the article. Since this is a controversial subject I don`t want to "step on anybody`s toes" :) but I believe this is the established version of the article(according to other examples I saw). If it is not the case, please inform me so I could know in the future. Edit summaries are in Serbian, which is understandable by me, but not to everybody, this is English wiki and the English language has precedence over any other. Greetings. Adrian (talk) 06:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edit 

message: * The transition of Orthodox Gorani to Islam became more intensive under pressure, especially after the Great Serb Migrations in 1690.
* The Gora region comprises Dragaš municipality in Kosovo and Shishtavec village in Albania. 
What was the reason to remove the above two statements from the text of the article?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:57, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: For Gora (region), there is a distinct article and more, the sentence was not correct - Shishtavec municipality in Albania, not only the village are included in Gora region. For Great Serb Migrations the added source was biased and the same source was used in several sentences deleted by me as really pro-Serbian view. Jingiby (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for your explanation. I respect your efforts to make this article NPOV so I will not insist on this matter although I think that it would be good to add to the lede of this article information about places which are populated by Gorani people. Although there is a distinct article about Gora region. If there are some other places with substantial Gorani population, besides Dragas and Shishtavec, those places can be also presented to the readers. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to do that.Jingiby (talk) 06:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

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message: User:Andrejsrbrus17, please explain your иеъехш edits here. Why did you delete sourced content together with the sources,  without any explanation. What is your aim? Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 11:46, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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message: Gorani and Nasinci are not the same group of people. While Nasinci may have chosen to identify under that name for the census, we are different to the Gorani people. 
As a Nasinec (of Nasinci decent), we speak, as mentioned Nasinksi. This is not identical to Gorani and does vary as do the other slavic languages. We follow the Islamic faith and the majority of us reside in the villages East of Prizren, spanning from Jabllanice to Gornje Selo. We do also have a population in Ljubizda and Grncare, though Novo Selo is Albanian. 1.157.242.193 (talk) 13:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the Gorani. Maybe, they also sometimes call themselves "nasinci", which simply means "we"? --95.24.70.129 (talk) 02:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gorani and Nasinci are not the same people. 

message: Please I ask you not to take this down! I have seen some mistakes! I tried to fix them all! First the Gorani are Muslim Croats! They lived there since the 18th century and identified as Croats! Croats also are genetically close to them 78.0.55.150 (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As they live in the mountains, they are much more likely to be actually the oldest people of the region. Can you point to the research which shows that they're genetically Croats and not locals? --95.24.70.129 (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  They are a part of the Croatian nation 

message: User talk:JohnWill93, please explain your edits here. Why did you delete sourced content together with the sources, without reasonable explanation. What is your aim? Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 12:24, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptions and deletion of sourced content