Talk:Reichsgau Wartheland

message: I think this is a good edit, adds meaning Bwood 01:27, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  add Prussia and GDuchy 

message: "From the earliest times, western Polish lands had some German residents, for centuries as invited guests. In the 1600s and 1700s, ethnic conflict emerged in the form of the Counter-Reformation. The freedom to worship that had been guaranteed the German settlers was removed, and most of their churches destroyed, stolen or forbidden use. Protestants were even required to support the Catholic church in some places. In time the bishops relaxed the oppression, but then the German settlers were attacked by roving bands of Polish militia unable to successfully liberate Congress Poland (see Bar Confederacy.) The tide turned in the late 1700s when the powerful neighbors carved Poland up in the three Partitions of Poland. Now the native Poles became the occupied, ruled by a foreign king and the minority Germans began to have the upper hand. Napoleon temporarily turned the tables for about eight years, then the situation reversed again. After another generation, the Prussian overlords became more and more oppressive, coming to a position that they would always own these lands and that the Polish peoples would have to be become Germanized. This naturally created a resistance, which sometimes erupted into unsuccessful uprisings. Measures become more and more severe, to where it became forbidden to use Polish in any public gathering, including school and church. The government fought a losing battle to replace Polish land ownership with German settlers, through the Settlement Commission. Then came World War I with the inevitable Fifth column subversions of the Poles, and the loss to Germany of most of its territory in this area. While retribution naturally followed, a relatively large amount of German settlers remained, deciding that it was better to keep their farms and businesses and become Polish citizens."
This is good for the History of Polish-German relationships.
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I can see that this is going to be a difficult issue to preserve neutrality on. Let's start with the heading, and try to strike a balance on the rest.
=Bwood
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Since this has turned into a lengthy diatribe of German atrocities, it really doesn't belong in this topic. The historical events should only be a portion of this, and the German atrocities were only a portion of the historical events. I am all in favor of documenting all the atrocities, but this is not the page. Perhaps it should be moved to all Germans were animals and all Poles were humane gentlemen? I wonder though, if this hasn't already been covered in the History of Poland articles, or in other topics, and if this isn't a case of highjacking. Cautious is obviously both more knowledgable on the subject and also "has an axe to grind". I will admit though, it has been valuable to see how native Poles (I assume) view these events. I hope someone with more neutrality and expertise comes along to keep this from being so one-sided. My time is better spent on earlier history and different areas of knowledge.
Bwood 13:57, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be sarcastic. Of course not all Germans were animals and not all Poles were humbles. But it's hard to argue, that atrocities Nazis committed in Poland (by Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe etc) were in any way comparable to atrocities committed by Poles. Difference in scale. German Nazis were shooting prisoners, bombing undefended cities, mass executing people for siex LONG years. Which is sometimes suprising to nowadays Germans (who usually believe either that Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe ware chivalrious or that they started to behave less chivalrious after 1941...) Szopen
WW2 was the war of evil Nazis against humanity. There is no way you can balance German-Polish relations in theese period. Certainly not more then you can balance German-Jewish. Cautious 14:08, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: OK Send me an email on olek_m@gazeta.pl. Don't expect too much from me, I had little touch with people that lived during WW2. Cautious 09:02, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: You should take into account the fact, that Poles are  faithfull people. Unlike Germans, Polish moral standard are ankored in the authority of society  and religious leaders, not state leaders. Therefore Poles tend to have better moral compass in times of chaos, but tend to obey the state institutions less in other times. This has of course advantages and disadvantages. Taking over German property during and after WW2 was not considered moraly bad, but rapes or murders were. Those who joined Soviets, were regarded with contempt. For example, in the village I lived, the pre-WW2 chicken thief became the communist leader. What you can expect from such a leaders? Cautious 09:02, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

text: I forgot to mention, that many people were killed by rowing bands, that were quite common in Poland after the war. There were different groups of people, politically moitivated, common bandits, soviet desertairs. Life was quite cheap and number of derailed people, very high. What I oppose, if somebody was killed by Poles. It should state by a bandit. Cautious 09:24, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text moved to Talk from article 

message: I think much of the contents in this article generally didn't match the title and description. It was identical text as the related article on World War II atrocities in Poland as a whole, and didn't really treat the events in the region incorporated directly into the German Reich.
I removed that duplicate material from the first two sections in an attempt to focus this article more specifically, not because I sympathize with Nazi actions. 
I left the final section mostly unchanged, but think it needs similar types of updates, since the description seems to apply to all Polish territory. For instance, Poland's borders shifted west after the war. The Soviet Union retained the lands they occupied in 1939 and compensated Poland with territory formerly part of Eastern Germany. Did Poland retain or lose the region organized as the Wartheland? How much population transfer occurred in this area?
StephenMacmanus 08:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should distinguish this region from general events in all of Poland 

message: What is the meaning or eytmology or original historical context of the word "Wartheland"?  Does it have any customary Anglicization? AnonMoos 16:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The word Wartheland

message: Rather to "construct Communism" in Poland.
Xx236 13:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  used to compensate Poles, who were forcibly relocated from southeastern Poland 

message: Is 'English' form Reichsagus, German ...gauen or rather ...gau preferable?
Xx236 13:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pl. Reichsgau 

message: Of those German citizens who remained in their homes many were subsequently persecuted. Those who failed to pass reviews by the communists were expelled by the communist government, newly established in Poland by the Red Army. Private and public German property was confiscated and used to compensate Poles and Polonized Ukrainians, who were forcibly relocated from southeastern Poland.
Withaut any realiable soucers Radomil talk 14:10, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No soucers

message: What is the different in size between Warthegau, South Prussia, and Posen?  They all occupy roughly the same area in today's Poland, but it would be interesting to note the size differentials.  From what I can tell, Posen was 28970 km2, SP 53,000, and Warthegau 43,905 km2.  Can someone back this up, perhaps generate a map?  --JamesR1701E (talk) 23:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Warthegau / South Prussia 

message: Is it just me or is there something not quite right about the 'Coat of Arms'?Ernstblumberg (talk) 06:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms? 

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