Talk:Master of Puppets

message: I found the album's first week sales published in Spin, but I think they are highly inflated. To have 250,000 records sold and debut no. 29 is not making any sense.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The peak was 29; it debuted on March 29, 1986 at #128 (). To cite a better source for sales, Billboard reported the first three weeks of sales as 300,000 (p. 40; on page 80, it has the Top Pop Albums chart for May 10, 1986, showing the album peaking at 29) Dan56 (talk) 13:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll insert that later. The second thing was the record label. The background section says that Metallica signed with Elektra for a major release album, but the intro cites Asylum as the label. That doesn't make much logic.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the RIAA, Asylum Records released the album on February 24, 1986 (). Since they're the trade organization representing the music industry, I'd trust them. The section doesn't say anything about a major release album deal; Elektra was merged into Asylum as I mentioned here. Dan56 (talk) 13:42, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, it is not a fan site, but the official web site of the band. Secondly, if it's published by RIAA it doesn't necessarily mean it contains no errors. And read the first sentence "In the fall of 1984, Metallica signed with Electra Records".--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Firstly, it's a fan site () Just because there's a .com domain name attached to the name of the band doesn't make it an official website. Secondly, do you have any legitimate reason to suspect the RIAA made an error? Lastly, you said two comments ago that the section said "Metallica signed with Elektra for a major release album"; the section doesn't say anything more than the band signing with Elektra, which I made clear enough was merged into Asylum in the early 70s. Dan56 (talk) 14:15, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well why don't they say "Metallica signed with Asylum Records" instead of Elektra? And why on my CD is written Elektra instead of Asylum? --Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why does it matter what "they" say about the band being signed instead of the album being released? As I showed before, the back cover shows the publishing and copyright as "Elektra/Asylum Records". Dan56 (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See, even on the LP is written Electra. A possible solution might be "Elektra/Asylum Records".--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:06, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Same on LP record, (P) 1986 Elektra / Asylum Records (). Dan56 (talk) 16:45, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: So, do you agree with my propose "Elektra/Asylum" as the label?--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, I'm going to make a footnote in the infobox, although the RIAA source still recognizes Asylum. Dan56 (talk) 17:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales and label issues

message: Is this review reliable enough to be used in the critical reception? Also the "Charts" section can be adapted from the Metallica discography article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 23:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess no, since the author Luca Signorelli doesn't appear to be anyone notable (, ) Dan56 (talk) 10:21, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you might be thinking of "The Four Horsemen". That one is usually played live without the middle section. "Master of Puppets" is always performed top-to-bottom, but if I remember correctly, it used to be played in a medley with "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)".--Retrohead (talk) 19:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure?  I remember reading an interview at the time where they said they were cutting down some of the longer songs because they were less fun live for the fans than for the band. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:57, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll look around the net to see if we have those statements. From my personal knowledge, the only parts that were omitted were the intros to "Battery" and "Damage" because they were recorded with specific gear.--Retrohead (talk) 09:07, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

text: You're right—"lengthy" or something would be better. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving the article

message: Seminal is such a loaded and overly-peacocky term. It's such a heavyweight word that it needs a strong source to back it up, and probably best used in an attributed quote. - SchroCat (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the above, come up with some reliable sources (plural) which state it. It not, it's nothing more than WP:OR. - SchroCat (talk) 22:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "seminal" 

message: I'd like to note that it says "Instead of releasing a single or video to promote Master of Puppets..." I assume it must be talking about time in advance of the album's release? Because in fact, there was one single released to promote it (title track) but it was four months after the album's release date. I was wondering if we could make some tweaks to this part to make it more clear. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 14:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead mention of singles 

message: J. Hetfield plays two lead parts on album. Read the booklet before deleting my contribution.
http://i99.fastpic.ru/big/2018/0109/e7/9134154eab508744e40a429e1f7693e7.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.241.143.168 (talk) 08:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Hetfield Lead Guitars 

message: This article includes no information on the 2017 Deluxe Edition. The issue is being discussed here. Charles Essie (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deluxe Edition 

message: The bpm for battery is for the snare while the bpm for master of puppets and leper messiah is for the hi-hat Whehejtjrhwhaueje (talk) 09:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beats per minute