Talk:Heights of presidents and presidential candidates of the United States

message: *Dr Harold Bornstein (2016) 
*Dr Ronny Jackson (2018) 
*Dr Sean Conley (2019) 
While other heights have been suggested based on observation and comparison, there are no other heights with reported measurement. 
Please indicate which height you support, with reasons. There is also provision for discussion. WWGB (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 ft 3 in 

message: *  Trump's physical examination summary doesn't declare whether the 6ft 3 figure was measured or self reported. 
: @WWGB Stop claiming 6ft 2 is unsourced. There are two factual sources. 2003:C2:5721:443:6C46:677B:8E4E:BA4B (talk) 19:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: While Trump was 6'2" in 1964 (as was I) he is now 76 (I'm 74).  We get shorter with age.  He is likely just 6 foot. Jonathan Swiller (talk) 08:26, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A doctor is way more than somebody who "works for" the patient, they are highly-trained medical professionals. If Trump was paying his publicist to add an inch, I'd understand skepticism, publicists are paid to distort. But doctors are paid to record clinical data accurately in a clinical fashion, like cold detached psychopaths who don't care about delivering bad news, the results are what they are. Has Trump ever expressed an interest in being a little bit taller? Doubt it. But do the sources taking him and his lying doctor bastards down a peg continue to overtly belittle the man, diminish his people and minimize his standing among America's greatest "giants"? Sure do! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Really?  You really don't see how Trump has a self-interested motivation to exaggerate his height?  Trump has displayed an obsession with his height in the past. (Other sources: .) His doctor is still, ultimately, someone who works for him; regardless of what they tell him privately, any information they release requires his approval or is at his direction, and regardless of that it is at best a WP:PRIMARY source. Therefore, we must rely on secondary sources to interpret and analyze what they say. To be clear, I would strenuously oppose using direct numbers from a physician under any circumstances (they are not properly published for WP:V purposes and never meet our criteria for a WP:RS); and anything published or released by the organization someone runs (including a president's administration) has to be considered WP:ABOUTSELF at best, even if they state it comes from a physician. I don't follow your "physicians are cold detached psychopaths" logic at all - that is not what makes someone an WP:RS; what makes someone an RS is that they are WP:INDEPENDENT and published in a venue with editorial controls and a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.  A statement by a doctor (not independent) published by a politician's administration (no fact-checking or accuracy, no editorial controls) is the exact opposite of this. Finally, I feel like you're just barking up the wrong tree in general - numerous secondary sources have reported Trump's height as 6'2" or even 6'1".  If it is so crystal-clear that they are wrong, surely you can find other secondary sources directly disputing them?  Hammering a primary source (especially when it involves someone like Trump, who has both a clear self-interested motivation to exaggerate his height and a history of misinformation) seems baffling. You really cannot find any secondary sources at all to back up the figures he claims? --Aquillion (talk) 11:07, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A primary source isn't good for citing, by itself, but can be useful in deciding which secondary sources to use. These three convince me we should use one calling him 6'3". "Cold detached" means independent, "psychopath" means unconcerned with others' feelings on practical matters. Your WaPo guy had some fine opinions on Trump, but no statements from him indicating a wish to be taller. Seems more conceited and proud to actually be taller than those he teases. Anyway, I'm gradually dropping out of political crap, so will pass on addressing your other points, but legit appreciate you making them. *InedibleHulk (talk) 21:24, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Something that is being overlooked is that he wears elevator shoes with thick soles. They have to be at LEAST 3" thick, if not 4". You can easily see that he wears lifts when he walks. That's also why he leans forward when he's standing. He's visibly shorter than a 6'1" Barack Obama, and that's with the stilt shoes on. There's no way he's over 5'11" tops if you take the elevator shoes into consideration. But 6'3"? That's plain old false information, and it undermines the mission of Wikipedia. And if he weighs 215 pounds, then I'm president of Latvia. He weighs 300 at the bare minimum. 6'3" 215 pound guys do NOT look like him. They're taller and they aren't grossly obese. Bugo (talk) 13:00, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. Trump 6’3”??? LMAO - in his dreams. 🤣 2601:1C0:5680:1720:D3F:E99A:E24C:BC5B (talk) 00:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for 6 ft 2 in 

message: *Aye Three sources agree, that's more than two that don't. The three are also doctors, and newer. But both heights are probably factual, posture-dependent. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:09, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I enjoyed the "girth-er movement" comment. Very droll. I'd also be happy with this outcome. Awoma (talk) 16:50, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget that he wears shoes with soles as thick as a filet mignon. He's visibly shorter than the 6'1" Barack Obama, even wearing the elevator shoes. He could be as short as 5'10" in real life. Bugo (talk) 13:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for 6 ft 3 in 

message: Hello! Since (in addition to the current President) we also mention the current Vice President's height in the lead paragraphs: ...Given that she becomes Vice President in less than 18 hours of typing this, what is Kamala Harris's height, and are there any citations for her height? A cursory Google search leads me to think the answer is somewhere between 5-foot-2 and 5-foot-3 1/2. Paintspot Infez (talk) 23:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Several reliable sources cite 5 ft 2 in   . WWGB (talk) 23:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be any official information from her office yet. Bing, Yahoo and IMDb gave her 5 ft 3.5 in. I suggest to wait for her first physical examination summary. 2003:C2:5721:443:6C46:677B:8E4E:BA4B (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is Kamala Harris's height? (Any citations?) 

message: I changed Lincoln's height to be 6 foot 3 and 3/4ths inches to match the Carpenter source. My main reason for making this change is that 6'3.75" rounds to 192cm whereas 6'4" rounds to 193cm.
I'd love to hear what folks think about this change. After I made the change I noticed a similar change had been reverted in the past by Millionsandbillions with the comment "not needed"https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States&oldid=944234829 GrapesRock (talk) 06:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed Lincoln's height to 6 foot 3.75 inches