Talk:Haplogroup L3

message: I believe that the correct markers for haplogroup L3 are the following: 769, 1018, and 16311. See van Oven M, Kayser M. 2009. Updated comprehensive phylogenetic tree of global human mitochondrial DNA variation. Hum Mutat 30(2):E386-E394. http://www.phylotree.org, mtDNA tree Build 2 (14 Oct 2008).- Brout8 (talk) 21:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know who rewrote this article but now it barely mentions West Africa despite having three major subclades there.  --Brout8 (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
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message: Careful with what you label "vandalism" there, friend. Believe it or not, it's actually a form of incivility to go around falsely branding things "vandalism" when they are not. It also contributes to an uncivil working environment:
"As well, lack of care when applying other policies can lead to conflict and stress. For instance, referring to a user's good-faith edits as vandalism may lead to them feeling unfairly attacked. Use your best judgement, and be ready to apologize if you turn out to be wrong."
This is especially true when sources don't support what one claims. Case in point, macrohaplogroups M & N are not described as descendants of L3 in the Phylotree source you supplied. They are classified as separate haplogroups. This is why they are written in large bold letters, no different to L1 or even L3 itself as opposed to, say, L3's Lf sub-clade which, by contrast, is cited in non-bolded typeface and at a modest size. Listing macrohaplogroups M & N on this page alongside other sub-clades of haplogroup L3 therefore only serves to create the impression that they are but ordinary sub-clades of the former when the Phylotree source you initially added does not classify them as such (perhaps that is why you removed it?). Unless of course that is what you were going for, that is not a constructive edit. Whatever the case, I've re-added the ref because we go by reliable sources here on Wikipedia, and certainly not by false accusations of impropriety. Causteau (talk) 05:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Causteau, I don't have time or desire to argue with your willing ignorance of the facts. The list was a list of descendent like numerous other articles on mtdna haplogroups. You (and your agenda) keep trying to make it a list of only subclades. I don’t give a damn about a giving an 'impression'.  I don't have some personal vested interest in whom or where N and M are descended like you apparently do. I just report the research. Plus it’s such a minor little edit. Damn. You are a nitpicker.  Haplogroups M and N are direct descents of L3. I don't argue with foolish people who try to to use wikipedia to word-sling, vandalize and misconstrue articles for a personal bias. I call vandalism where I see. Don’t start no stuff with me. Keep letting your muddied eyes and ears believe what ever misinformed opinions you want. I don’t play semantic games. I compete with no one, so no one can compete with me. M and N are from L3. Editing the wiki won't change the fact. This is done already - Brout8 (talk) 23:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
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