Talk:Hungarian Gold Train

message: Look at the dates. A german train running to Berlin in May of 1945. 
:*I don't see why it's difficult to believe that a Hungarian Nazi/Fascist operated train attempted to smuggle loot out of an Allied controlled region during the end of WWII in Europe.  That's exactly the time it makes sense.   Besides, there are very reliable sources on all of this cited in the article. --Oakshade (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
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replies: text: That seems correct.  Done. --Oakshade (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: The article fails to mention that there was more than one train, and mixes up numerous details between at least 2 different trains. 
The Hungarian National Bank train arrived in Spital am Pyrhn in January 1945. This train is well documented (eg by Zweig's book the Gold Train-but which also conflates two different trains), but the article fails to recognise this. My mother happend to be on this train, and said there were 950 people on board when it arrived in Spital. This was the train that was found in a tunnel in Spital, guarded by Hungarian guards, by the US in May 1945 in Spital, which was also the first investigated, and was the official train to transfer National Bank gold and various religious relics. The article conflates it with another Gold train that meandered through Hungary for several months in January to March-April 1945. The train that meandered for several months through Hungary before arriving in Austria in March-April 1945 was a different train, carrying 213 people, and transferred most of the stolen goods into Austria. The article fails to mention that there was more than one train, and mixes up numerous details between the 2 trains, including in the resulting investigations. One train was official, carrying state artifacts and emblems, but possibly also stolen goods, the other transferred the majority of stolen 'gold train' goods to Austria in March-April 1945. One of the reasons most of the Werfen train material was not transferred back to Hungary was because it contained official state items, and the Soviets were now in control after the war. The other train, which carried most of the stolen items, did not. The Hungarians wanted the National Bank train items placed in a bank in Switzerland, and not transferred back to Hungary, now under Soviet control, but the material, whether of Jewish origin or legitimate items of Hungarian National Bank origin, was all deemed stolen items, likely because it was impossible to separate the two. The material on this National Bank train was transferred to Frankfurt, some of which made it back ti Hungary. I have written to the author of the book-the Gold Train, upon most of which this Wiki article is based, with several details the author has omitted and badly conflated between at least 2 different trains. The author may have done this for legal reasons, because the legitimately transferred official National Bank items probably should not have been transferred back to Hungary under the official laws at the time. The author may have conflated 2 different trains-one official and one 'rogue'- in order to bolster the argument that the US and others, inlcuding the Hungarian State, acted more inappropriately than was always the case. The article needs revision.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:9446:5700:540F:27A9:4B02:9D7A (talk) 07:08, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  There was more than one 'Hungarian gold train'.