Talk:Circumnavigation

message: No Fideas Fogg?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.85.122.145 (talk) 19:12, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you and I personally dont see what Sandhurst finds so defamitory, the section is properly referenced and correct.  However, that said, I am not convinced the paragraph belongs in the article anyways, he has not even finished his trip and once finished it does not even qualify as a human powered circumnavigation anyways. Once he has actually completed the trip I may be able to be convinced otherwise though.Russeasby 15:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Human powered

message: According to what dictionary does circumnavigate by itself mean circumnavigate the globe. Mine doesn't give that definition. Is this accepted or just bad practice? Rmhermen 12:17 Aug 23, 2002 (PDT)
:My dictionaries tend to give "to go round something" but "esp. the world, and esp. by sea." I've changed it to try and make this clear. --Camembert
::The change is close, but not quite right; "circumnavigate" does not "literally" mean "navigation of a circumference", it means "navigation around" (something - often the earth), strictly (etymologically) by ship (Latin "circum", around + "navigare", to sail a ship, from "navis", a ship), but by modern usage in almost anything (I could circumnavigate London by driving my car round the M25). "Circumference", from "circum"  + "ferre" (to carry), i.e. (the path that) carries one round something, is based on the same preposition, "circum"; "circumnavigate" is not derived from "circumference", but directly from "circum". Since this article relates specifically to circumnavigation of the Earth, the head should make this restriction of scope clearer. I will have a go at a suitable change. FredV (talk) 20:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of circumnavigation 

message: Harry Pidgeon, 1869 - 1954. That can't be right! The others are dates when they did the circumnavigation. This looks like someone's birth. I understand Pidgeons circumnavigations were 1921-1925 1932-1937. See eg []. Billlion 09:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pidgeon 

message: * Tania Aebi, 1985–1987, youngest (at age 18-20) and first American woman to complete a solo circumnavigation aboard 26' sailboat Varuna."''
I think that the inclusion of this entry is slighly suspect to say the least!
It is made quite clear in the book "Maiden Voyage" (ISBN: 0345410122) by Tania Aebi and Bernadette Brennan that there was one leg of the "circumnavigation" that was completed with more than one person on board - somewhere in the Pacific and of around 500 miles.
When told of this fact by an anonymous note left on the boat Aebi ponders whether to retrace her steps and complete the leg again or just carry on.  As far as I recall (it's been a few years since I read the book) she carried on. M100 21:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think leave her entry in but amend it. How about something like "would have been the youngest ...had it not been for..."? Billlion 20:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing has been done about this since it was brought up, I am changing it now to read "American woman who completed a solo circumnavigation by the age of 20, one 80 nautical mile stretch with crew disqualified her from an official record"  (her book was referenced for the correct information) Russeasby 00:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tania Aebi 

message: "It can be seen that the route roughly approximates a great circle, and passes through two pairs of antipodal points.", "It can be seen that the route does not pass through any pairs of antipodal points." I don't understand what does these lines on antipodes implies/means. Anyone care to explain? --218.103.172.147 08:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antipodes 

message: Were there ever references for this article? There are inline citations that have no accompanying footnotes. Isopropyl 05:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I do not think that Ken Barnes or even an "attempted" section warents inclusion on this page. I hardly think his own article should be on WP.  Russeasby 16:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ken Barnes 

message: An unregistered wikipedian keeps vandalising Circumnavigation so I am request it be semi-protected. Russeasby 16:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP Vandalism 

message: In the world circumavigation section "sailing" is how its labeled for sea based circumnavigations.  Yet in the notible section the term Maritime is used.  I think Msritime is the better definition, as obviously (even if not listed here yet) power vessels have circumnavigated.  I intend to change "sailing" to "maritime", though am open to perhaps a subsection being included within maritimje if warrented.  Ideas anyone? Lets make this a good article. Russeasby 02:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailing vs Maritime 

message: The list of notable circumnavigators is longer then the article itsself.  I dont suggest trimming it as it is a worthwhile list for sure, but perhaps moving it to a seperate article is a good idea at this point?  My thought is to move the list to its own article and within this article expand a bit upon specific highly notable circumnavigators. Russeasby 05:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's too lengthy and should be in it's own article. Jon 13:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally got around to moving this out into a seperate list.  I left a few in the main article, but I am not particularly attached to those I chose so if anyone wants to take a stab at sifting through the list and picking out the most notable of the bunch for inclusion in the main article, have at it. Russeasby 02:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable section 

message: Has anyone circumnavigated both under sails and by air? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.94.228.13 (talk • contribs).
hi,
abhilash here. has anyone ever done a solo circumnavigation under sail and by air? awaiting answers. 203.94.228.13 15:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Solo circumnavigation under sail? by air?

message: There have been a lot of edits lately related to Jason Lewis and the section on Human Powered Circumnavigations.  This is understandable since he has just completed his expedition and thus there is interest in the story.  But lets all try to be reasonable here and try to remaine NPOV.  The same thing happend when Colin Angus completeled his expidtion.  There is always going to be people (some COI, some fans and some just disagreeing) who want to promote their POV when a major and publicied feat like this has been accomplished.  I wont argue that Jason Lewis feat is unworthy of mention here, but NPOV needs to be maintained.  Among world records, wether it be speed, firsts, whatever, Guiness is well recognized as the authority on such record keeping and authorizing.  Acording to their guidelines, no one to date has yet completely a true human powered circumnavigation, and that includes Jason Lewis (who took, what, 10 years? lots of non human powered trips back home then returning to the last stop to restart?).  Now, since no one has actually completed one, the most notable efforts are certainly worth inclusion here, but pushing POV and trying to change the article to suggest someone has actually done it, when they havnt, is not encyclopedic (look back at the arguments of Colin Angus who didnt hit antipodal points).  This article is not the place to go into a lot of details about who and what thinks this and that, keep it breif and to the point, its already silly that anyone mentioned in the Human Powered section has more detail then any other specific person has in any other section, this article is an overview of circumnavigations, keep the details and arguments to the articles specific to the person and/or feat.  Wikipedia is not the place for anyone to do their marketing and/or propiganda, an amazing feat will stand on its own without COI suggestions otherwise (and anyone editing suggesting orgs they are appealing to before this is public information is probably a COI editor). Russeasby 07:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just rewrote the entire section.  I dont claim to be a good writer though so my apologies ahead of time!  The goal in my rewrite is to make the section conform to the style of the rest of the article.  Such details about where one rollerbladded or rowed and such is excessive detail for this article, people can find such detail in the articles devoted to that subject.  Likewise entire paragraphs for each attempt under human power are not warrented, a sole paragraph dicussing the attempts made so far is enough.  Note that other sections follow this generally (and they have people who actually have fufilled this goal).  Keep the COI/POV/etc edit wars to the pages specific to these people (where hopefully they will ultimately be resolved).  Russeasby 05:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Why do you keep removing the Jason Lewis and Colin Angus information from the article? I notice you want to add a couple people and/or attempts, which is fine, but please do so without removing other major sections and avoid using POV words like "Amazing!". Russeasby 15:19, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: We talk about Colin Angus and Jason Lewis because their attempts are notable and signifigant, even if they did not fully succeed under Guinness guidelines.  Since no one to date has actually completely a human powered circumnavigation under these guidelines, the most notable attempts are worth including.  I am not against you adding information about runners/walkers, please do, just please dont remove the Lewis/Angus entries while doing so. As for "boats", look at the Nautical section, it hardly mentions people or attempts at all. Russeasby 15:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: As I said, please stop removing the Angus/Lewis information.  I have no problem with you adding the others, but why must you insist these others be removed? THey both received a fair amoung of media coverage and their attempts are certainly notable.  I will try to work on a version which retains this but adds the people you wish added since you cannot seem to simply ad them without deleting other areas as well. Russeasby 15:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I suspect this is directed at me for some reason.  Note my name is Russell, not Jason.  I am not sure where you see a problem with balance, I am not trying to add "boat" attempts here, this is the human powered section we are in conflict on and I am trying to retain more information on human powered, not remove any or add more "boats". Russeasby 15:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I dont "own" anything, I do have an interest in the article and improving it however, as you can see on this talk page.  You will also see that I have worked with others when there have been disagreements.  As for the US/UK, etc... I did not put those there, personally I dont think nationality is of importance or nessisary to be noted, but I dont care enough about that to remove or add it anywhere nor get into a disagreement about it, so do it however you like. Russeasby 17:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Whoa... check the history of this page, guys.  I was the one who added the walkers last night.  I simply wanted to expand this section with some other notable human powered feats like Thomas Stevens's bicycle ride.  I'm sure there are others that can go here... Rick Hansen comes to mind.  And for the record, I'm not American, and am not part of a conspiracy to 're/write history', I just thought the nationality of these people are relevant.  If you don't agree, I won't be offended if you change it.  On another topic, now that we have a few people mentioned here, this section should probably be changed to list form to match the other sections. Rawr 17:32, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I agree to changing it to list format to better reflect the format of the rest of the article.  A section near the top describing Human Powered, such as the rest of them, then below a list of notable efforts and moving most of the content there.  However I wasnt going to dive in and do that right away since there is so much editing going on, I was going to wait a few days and let things settle down and the redo the whole thing in a format better fitting with the rest of the article. Ultimately (as you can see several months back my comment on this talk page) I think the "notable" lists need serious trimming, they have gotten way out of hand, they should probably be broken out to a seperate article List of Circumnavigations and keep only the major ones within the artcle with a link to the full list, this is a common method on WP.  But since no one commented months ago on this idea when I had it, I just left it alone for now.  Perhaps I will tackle this as well while redoing the Human Powered section (after things settle down). Russeasby 18:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jason Lewis 

message: The introduction needs to be expanded to reflect the content of the article. Another thing that is necessary is an explanation of the word "circumnavigate". Amandajm (talk) 14:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Small start made to that ~ R.T.G 22:22, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: You should know about this and comment.  One of our editors has systematically depopulated it (from this article among many others), and thinks that is a good reason to delete it.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Contested deletion [[Category talk:Yachting races]]

message: Adrian Flanagan did it via poles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.30.186.107 (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vertical Circumnavigation 

message: No idea why this is so wrong here and at List of circumnavigations but he survived. The Villalobos Expedition wasn't previously listed herepossibly because it was only intended to go from Mexico to the Philippines and stay putbut its actual men went from Spain to Mexico to the Philippines to the Spice Islands to a Portuguese brig to Lisbon, whence they were released back to Spain... i.e., they completed a third circumnavigation just as much as anyone in Loaisa's group did. Maester Anes ("Hans von Aachen") was with them setting out, as well; if he made it, he did all three before Drake. — LlywelynII 11:07, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: De la Torre