Talk:Naskh (tafsir)

message: I'm just a random reader, but I find this article incomprehensible.
Those who know what this is talking about, please edit this!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.179.96.184 (talk) 02:04, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found this article very difficult to understand and would to see it edited for comprehension  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.178.109 (talk) 12:19, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's kind of a technical and also controversial area of Islamic theology and legal interpretation, so there almost inevitably will be a sprinkling of Arabic words and theological or legal terminology. if you have specific concerns, they could probably be worked on. AnonMoos (talk) 12:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite needed?

message: :"...directed at the [sic] what a few scholars historically believed might be a problem of seemingly contradictory material within or between the twin basises of Islamic holy law...  Naskh has been criticized by many scholars, who state that it is a term used by those who dislike Islam to attempt to prove it wrong.
Taking this out for the following reasons:
* 1) Assertions are completely uncited
* 2) Assertion that only a "few scholars" recognized naskh is absolutely false.  There are literally dozens of exegetical works devoted specifically to naskh, only some of which are mentioned in the article.  This is in addition to the many more general works of tafsir which contain discussions of the topic.  The reality of Qur'anic/Sunnic abrogation was acknowledged by most of the major legal and scholarly authorities of classical Islam: Qurtubi, Shafi'i, Malik, al-Ghazali, Suyuti, Tabari, etc.  In fact, in my research I did not find mention of one classical authority who completely rejected the doctrine.  If you find one, though, please include it in the article.
* 2) Naskh has been criticized by many scholars, who state that it is a term used by those who dislike Islam to attempt to prove it wrong.  Who are these scholars?  And why historically believe?  If you have evidence the doctrine is rejected by most contemporary Islamic jurists please add a section on modern attitudes with references to contemporary authorities.  Yet in any case this does not change the fact that naskh was recognized in Islamic jurisprudence throughout almost its entire history; the article should not misleadingly make it appear that what would be a very novel attitude towards the doctrine is somehow historically normative.
:Jleybov 06:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a "few scholars" 

message: This article, which deals with a very controversial subject, needs to have cites located inline. By this I mean that a statement would be followed by the cite that supports it. Listing the references at the bottom might be okay for some articles, but when dealing with controversial subjects you need to know which reference a particular statement is supported by. Also, it is unclear whether the article uses any references at all, with the references section just being a list of the works that are quoted in the article. I suspect that this is the case, as it would explain all of the quotations and the references are the same works that were quoted. The only one I did not see in the article is the reference Quranic Studies by John Wansbrough and Andrew Rippin. Also, there are plenty of statements in the non-quotation parts of the article that need cites.
The number and amount (in terms of total content) of quotations is excessive. I have never seen an article which relies so heavily on quotations on Wikipedia before, not even including articles on books or movies. The article should cite the works, not just quote them. 
Finally, the article is over reliant on sources written by Andrew Rippin and John Burton. An article of this size should have a wider variety of sources, especially when the topic is controversial. -- Kjkolb 17:05, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs cites in the article, use of quotations is excessive

message: As someone on the outside looking in, the problem I have with Abrogation is that it makes God appear changeable - perhaps even fickle. As I understand it, God (through Muhammad) said one thing and then, a decade or two later, turned around and said something substantially different. If God is omniscient, He would lay out basic principles from the start with no inclination toward - or need for - second thoughts later on. The theological discussion of the implications of Abrogation is dense and almost incomprehensible. Virgil H. Soule (talk) 17:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Abrogation doesn't inherently make God look fickle especially in a more mainstream religious narrative, however, the presentation of abrogation in this particular way citing nothing more than a handful of orientalist scholars that rely on dubious citations in Tabari, etc. does indeed make God look fickle, as the article and its sources intend.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.235.227.144 (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theology 

message: What is the modern position of scholars regarding 9:29 and the "sword verse" against the Pagans? I think the idea that these abrogate most of the earlier "tolerant" verse has been largely discarded both by the leading Sunni and Shi'a theologians during the last century and that most now hold that Jihad can only be defensive... Some explanations on this would be welcome. Is the theory of eternal Jihad against unbelievers still widely accepted or not? And if not, on what grounds exactly do scholars discard it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.247.85.103 (talk) 23:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  9:29 

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message: Please discuss your issue here before deleting the section arbitrarily. Your claim that the source you removed is "unreliable" requires justification. Parwez is a well regarded scholar and his view has merit. It seems like you're just censoring the opposing view. Code16 (talk) 11:20, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unexplained Edits and removal of criticism of Naskh 

message: Am working on a major rewrite of this article, which will take months (I'm afraid). Have found parts of it unreadable, disorganized, and some of the text not supported by cited sources. I'm not sure if the article is "biased" but it does seem to have a snide tone in some parts. --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:35, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite