Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 12

message: Hi! I've created a new wikiproject: Wikipedia:WikiProject India Maps to address and standardise the conventions for India-related maps. Please move all map related discussion there. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Indian wikiproject 

message: Please take a look at Talk:India#Adding_Ayyavazhi and give your views.  Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 20:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayyavazhi 

message: Tony has made some strong crictisims about the prose in the IIT article. Tintin (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "strong criticisms" is an understatement. This previous discussion, and now this FAR have made me realise that we have started to treat most of our Featured content noms as RFAs. There is only one project which comes closest to the number of FAs that we have contributed, and that is Wikiproject:Tropical cyclones. I am not 100% sure about this - but their nomination are always on behalf of the entire project, and most (if not all) members of their project do not "vote" at FACs. Perhaps we could start something like this. Only those people who have contributed to articles in a major way respond at FACs. - Aksi_great (talk) 16:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Criticism on the voting is another issue. But, Tony has raised a specific issue regarding substandard prose. We should probably do a round of copyediting. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IIT 

message: There are over 50 members in Wikipedia:WikiProject History of India, but there isn't much activity going on. Hopefully a COTW will help organize the efforts of WP:HOI members into more meaningful contributions. Any help in setting this up will be highly appreciated. deeptrivia (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject History of India/COTW]] 

message: While I am yet to take up the case of Indian freedom fighters category, I got a shock to notice Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_June_7#Women_by_nationality_and_subcategories as :Category:Indian women was something widely used. If categorising in this way is foolish, so is India-bio-stub or may be even Living people. Probly we shd have an eye on CFD regularly. --Gurubrahma 16:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put it on my watchlist... but can't we recreate it? Is there a rule against it? While you are at the Indian freedom fighters, might as well include this one? -- Lost 17:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having categories Indian Women and Living People is too generalised. Categories should be more meaningful and should have a smaller base to work with. The two categories are way too inclusive, not to mention "sexist". =Nichalp «Talk»= 03:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe something like prominent Indian women, or subcategories such as Female Indian politician, actor etc... Not to be sexist but say somebody wants a list of top Indian businesswomen, this may be a good place to start.. -- Lost 08:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD 

message: Is it just me or do people find the Administrators Noticeboard a bit too messy and chaotic to get your points throught, there's too many things happening at once. So I propose we create an Administrators Noticeboard for the 15 Indian Admins we currently have to assess situations directly related to Indian pages. Only 'global' situations or situations where you need a lot of input can be posted on the other Administrators noticeboard. It'll also be easier to ask for help or comment on an India-related topic, at the moment one has to either post here if its important or post on the admin's talk page. This way, all 15 admins will get to know and will be able to help out. My last reason for having such a noticeboard is simply this: why not? I would be prepared to create a WP:IAN if people agree. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it should be neccessary for the moment. Why not continue to use this talkspace to notify India-related admin tasks? =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:15, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just thought it would be a bit more organized...I've always seen the noticeboard as a place for discussion rather than a place for simply reported vandals or POV-pushing etc. Ah well, I reported User:Moderator3000 using the proper noticeboard... Nobleeagle  (Talk) 02:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Adminstrators Noticeboard 

message: I don't know too much about the copyright laws that operate on Wikipedia but there are a large number of sites that have images on Bhagat Singh (for example, here and about his family here. They would be helpful for the Bhagat Singh article but I don't know whether they can be used. What about film pictures from Rang De Basanti or the Legend of Bhagat Singh. How can they be used? Nobleeagle  (Talk) 07:22, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Images from the movie can only be used on the article about RDB. =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Indian photos WP:PD after 60 years of publication. That would make all photos of Bhagat Singh PD, right? --Soman 07:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bhagat Singh]] pictures

message: I've launched an ambitious "contest" to select suitable pictures for the India page. The rationale behind this is to get featured pictures on the India page. Please see: Talk:India/Picture selection =Nichalp «Talk»= 13:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  India image selection 

message: There's no such article I guess. Worse still, History of sculpture doesn't have a single line on Indian sculpture. I thought we've always been a leading sculpture-making nation right from the times of Buddha sculptures, through the period of Khajuraho and other temples to the modern times. deeptrivia (talk) 05:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sculpture in India]] 

message: Independence Day (India) is this week's Indian Colloboration of the Week.  Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Ganeshk (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  INCOTW - Independence Day (India) 

message: Hey Ram! Mahatma Gandhi faces vandalism on Wikipedia-- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK03:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least it may draw more Indians to join Wikipedia...they may think...'this is interesting, let's give it a shot'... Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad it didn't mention the admin who locked the page.... Some other news reports about WP controversies name the users involved. Blnguyen | rant-line 05:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, imagine a news story reporting on the actions of Can't sleep clown will eat me, the username would make the news sound so trivial. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a curious link 

message: Would anyone/everyone please take a look at this? At current I (a non-Indian) have absolutely no idea what the article is about, much less how to clean it up etc. Major trimming and attention is needed here. Thanks you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 02:19, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide the article link. - Ganeshk (talk) 03:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think CrazyRussian means the Avadhanam page. It does need some attention. I never knew avadhanis were exclusively Telugu! I have seen a Tamil ashtavadhani (someone who can do eight things at the same time) such as count the number of time someone touches his while solving mathematical puzzles, solve mechanical puzzles with his hands, recite Tirukkural poems when someone prompts him to such as "recite the 878th Tirukkural", etc. It is pretty amazing to watch. - Parthi 03:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops!!! :) :) Yes. Thank you. - CrazyRussian talk/email 12:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has its origins in Telugu literature and is more popular there, though nothing prevents the event from being staged in other languages. --Gurubrahma 06:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request

message: News and DYK sections don't seem to be updated often - this may lead to removal of featured portal status. btw, round 7 of the quiz is up and running. --Gurubrahma 06:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern about India portal 

message: Hello, the WikiIndia image is a modification of the Wikimedia logo, which is not itself GFDL; so this image should not be.  You may want to switch to a different logo, or make sure that you have permission to use this one.  +sj + 21:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it do if the licence of the image was given up to the Foundation? =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiIndia image 

message: Hi, I have been keeping an eye on deletion proposals, and I frequently find that peoposals are made and decisions implemented (often being "delete") within the space of a few (<24) hours. Yesterday (21 June), we has two India-related pages that were proposed and deleted before they could even be listed on WP:DSI -- Ambani school and some biography. I'm a bit concerned about the former because, although it seems to have been nearly empty, it may have been deleted in order to prevent its growing into a substantial article: read the comment of the first voter. Anything we can do to prevent recurrences? The rules seem to be clear: listings are to remain open for voting for atleast 5 days. Regards, ImpuMozhi 02:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there are a few wrong decisions in AfD, but the two there were deleted correctly. The first only repeated the name of the school in question, and the second was a guy - it said that he was a software engineer, is 27 yrs old, has a wife. The admin in question Redvers was nominated by none other than Gurubrahma, so I would say that he is a great admin.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  With reference to actions of admins who were my nominees, I plead the fifth, ;) which states "...nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself,..." --Gurubrahma 14:36, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As I said, it was the comment of the first voter that disturbed me; it basically said "if we allow this page any time, it may grow into a large article on a school, which is bad--" I did gather that both pages were nearly empty, but have no way of checking contents. I'm glad it was all OK. Regards, ImpuMozhi 05:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the first voter (Jonel) means exactly the opposite. Tintin (talk) 05:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tintin, the user meant that it fits the criteria for speedy deletion now but could evolve into a good article. So he was expressing his analysis of the situation. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

text: could be, but the article reads just - "Dhirubhai Ambani International School, Mumbai" with two cats listed, namely, :Category:Schools in India and :Category:International schools in India. It is an A3 candidate without doubt - the deletion is without prejudice to recreation, so any one can feel free to re-create it atleast as a decent stub. --Gurubrahma 15:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have recreated and expanded on the article. One of the reasons why it was listed as "no clue of it's notability". Since the person in question was asked to expand on the article, sufficient time should be given before deletion. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanx, I do think the school is notable and this is warranted. I also find, on re-reading the comment, that Tintin is right, and what the person meant was exactly the opposite of what I hastily surmised. Not that I really blamed him or the admin; my point above was that these rapid-deletion cases are not uncommon, and does anyone have a view on that? Of course, many things are just clear-cut, like the second biography page, but Admins simply cannot be expected to know enough about everything across the world. Hence the vetting procedure. ImpuMozhi 18:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary deletions

message: Trouble brewing on the Talk:India page. Please comment. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk:India 

message: User:Ganeshbot is currently creating missing town articles. Please watch its contributions and let me know any mistakes or malfunction. Also check User:Ganeshbot/Created, articles that the bot created, User:Ganeshbot/Not created, articles it had skipped. - Ganeshk (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bot is currently in pause mode. :) I will start it later tonight. I am still open to suggestions and improvements like the one here. It is at alphabet C right now and has a long way to go. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bot is doing great work. The articles look professionally written. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 18:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Just started the bot again. Please watch its contributions. - Ganeshk (talk) 02:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: did my block work?Blnguyen | rant-line 06:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  India town articles 

message: it's going to lose it's status. --D-Boy 20:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Hinduism]]  

message: See this discussion. - Ganeshk (talk) 19:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kolkata page 

message: Pls comment. -- Lost 06:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Keki dadiseth]] 

message: Ramayana is this week's Indian Colloboration of the Week.  Please come and help it become a featured-standard article. - Ganeshk (talk) 06:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  INCOTW - Ramayana 

message: Could someone with greater knowledge of Wiki formatting (particularly) with regard to tables have a look at this page and rework the text to fix it?--Kaushik twin 16:02, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks --Kaushik twin 18:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Indian Billionaires]]

message: Same goes for this list. Data copied from  , also see   PlaneMad|YakYak
:I'm not so sure it's a copyvio. Isn't text from nic.in sites in public domain? Would be best to confirm with users Nichalp and Sundar.--May the Force be with you!  Shreshth91(review me!) 20:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ive mentioned on the talk page that it falls under R2I. But then i went through the act and i cant find anything that says materials from govt websites falls under public domain, although im sure i saw this reason used before for uploading media into wp  PlaneMad|YakYak 20:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted a comment in the article's talkpage. It's not a copyvio "in this case", IMO. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of National Highways in India]]

message: Hello. Do you guys have these two articles on your watchlist? It seems that not many do, as a POV rant was left on Rajiv Gandhi for 8 hours - it was mainly some kind of angry criticism and looked like a memorial to the Tamil Tigers. Thanks, Blnguyen | rant-line 00:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rajiv Gandhi]] and [[Sonia Gandhi]] 

message: Speaking of lists, List of Hotel Management/Tourism colleges in India has been PRODded for automatic deletion. Anyone interested in keeping and improving the page? ImpuMozhi 02:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In its current state, it looks like a phonebook entry. It may be notable if anybody wants to do a complete rewrite.Blnguyen | rant-line 02:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PROD candidate

message: Thought I'd point this out :)... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lostintherush (talk • contribs) 
:I know. <boast> I am responsible for at least 50 of them, if not more including the rare got: one. I personally created many of the stubs in other language wikipedias, or contacted editors there to create the stubs </boast> :) =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest number of interwiki links 

message: I propose we remove the image_map tag out of the infobox so that all articles have a consistent look. This would mean customized maps on articles such as Bangalore and Kolkata would be gone. Is that okay. Please comment. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to get the map displayed if the latitude and logitude values are entered. The locator position can default to right. This way we can avoid going back all exising cities and towns and adding the "locator_position" tag. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd tend to agree, but it might take some convincing, since many of the custom maps (e.g., Bangalore's) took a while to produce. Saravask 16:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The base map for the many such maps (eg. Bangalore) is POV (with regard to Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh). That's a good reason to change. That said, I really like User:AreJay's work on both the maps. May be we can request him to create a similar map (that shows the city alone) and move it further down in the article. - Ganeshk (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We could also put such zoomed-in maps into the infobox, à la Seattle. They would hav to be very small compared to the main standardized map, though. Saravask 18:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's showing it a little WP:CSB. The map is not saying which country the city belongs to. It is automatically assuming the country to be United States of America. :) - Ganeshk (talk) 19:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: User:Nichalp changed the Bangalore map to use the locator. Let me be bold and remove the image map. We can always revert if someone objects. - Ganeshk (talk) 19:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I updated the template now. The map will get displayed if the latd and longd parameters are entered. - Ganeshk (talk) 19:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No convincing required here, I'm ok with the new locator maps :) However, a detailed city map should probably be added to Kolkota when one is available. I know that Bangalore already has a detailed city map, albiet an outdated one. Per Ganesh's earlier observation, I also feel that the new locator maps should identify the country (India) as well as neighboring countries and water bodies as is proper convention in cartography. AreJay 19:32, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreeing w/ above now. Hope the updates to the map can be done soon. Saravask 19:37, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Re to Arejay: Locator maps are not supposed to have clutter. Naming the country, rivers seas etc would take away the focus of the real purpose of a locator map – ie to pinpoint the position of the city. I've listed a few locations that have clean locator maps: Munich, Sydney, Marseille, Auckland, Shanghai and Birmingham. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:23, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: The article has been moved from FAR to FARC -- Lost 17:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IIT

message: The stub templates were proposed and created. The bot is running again. Please keep a watch on its contributions. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 07:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganeshbot 

message: Fellow Indians,
Last few months has seen a deliberate attempt by some Indians and non-Indians to tarnish rajputs. This campaign is led by someone named Impumozhi who has shown utter cluelessness about rajputs. Here are certain instances of editing by Mozhi which show his lack of knowledge about the subject at hand.
I am wondering what can be done about such an editor.
 
*Incident 1: Impumozhi accuses rajputs of fabricating history on Hada page
Impumozhi says:
Read this page for a little entertainment -- in particular, the last three sentences, setting out the historical repurcussions of that hilarious (and probably fictitious) incident. Is this fit for an encyclopedia? Leave aside veracity, just the choice of words? Yet nobody dare change one comma or fullstop in that page: it is "owned" by that presiding deity of obduracy, the learned protagonist of every page with a remote "rajput" connection.
* Impumozhi's lack of knowledge exposed
His claim about Hada's character  being funny and un-encyclopaedic is actually taken from James Tod's Annals and Antiquities page 384 and 385 Vol-II: 
:On the death of the queen Joda Bae, Akbar commanded a court mourning; and that all might testify a participation in their master's affliction, an ordinance was issued that all the Rajput chiefs, as well as the Moslem leaders, should shave the moustache and the beard. To secure compliance, the royal barbers had the execution of the mandate. But when they came to  quarters of the Hadas, in order to remove these tokens of manhood, they were repulsed with buffets and contumely. Then enemies of Rao Bhoj Hada aggravated the crime of this resistance and insinuated to the royal ear that the outrage upon the barbers was accompanied with expressions insulting to memory of the departed princess, who it will be remembered was a rajputani of Marwar.  Akbar, forgetting his vassal's gallant services, commanded that Rao Bhoj should be pinioned and forcibly deprived of his moustache. He might as well have commanded the operation on a tiger. The Hadas flew to there arms, the camp was thrown into tumult, and would have soon presented a wide scene of blood-shed, had not the emperor, seasonably repenting of his folly repaired to the Boondi quarters in person. He expressed his admiration (he might have said his fear) of Hada valour, alighted from his elephant to expostulate with the Rao...
:If James Tod thinks this incident is worthy of being mentioned in his book, Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, what is wrong in this incident being mentioned on Wikipedia?
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*Incident 2. Deleted the name of famous rajput lady, Maharani Gayatri Devi, from rajputani page, saying she is not a rajput.
His response: .
Impumozhi, on rajputani page deleted the name of Maharani Gayatri Devi . 
Then he was asked why he did so: .
His response was countered on his talk page:  and till date he has not responded. The reason he did not respond is because his lack of knowledge on the topic was thoroughly exposed.
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*Incident 3: Impumozhi tries to get the page of a famous rajput king deleted, but is thwarted.
In another incident he put a tag of db-nonsense on the article Hammir Dev Chauhan : . 
He was asked on the talk page of this article on why he put the CSD tag: . No reasons given till date. Another user, Dvyost, had to remove this db-nonsense tag: . Here again Impumozhi had no idea about the subject matter but just because a rajput had created this article he put the db-nonsense tag.
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*Incident 4: Mozhi accuses rajputs of writing poor history
Certainly, these people genuinely believe what they write, even on the Hada page -- they would not know otherwise, their views being informed mainly by an execrable set of caste-glorificatory pamphlets. My views on the famous and oft-cited list of 65 reference-books is available here (please scroll to the red-lettered section towards the end of the "changes comparison"). 
I have previously expressed the same views, for instance here, never to any effect, and I despair of ever obtaining recourse if nothing avails me on this forum. I think it is essential that, rather than confine their final decisions to the Rajput and associated pages, the arbcom should take a broader view of the contributions-record of the protagonists, and encourage the permanent departure of those who simply are not equipped to contribute to an encyclopedia. The sad alternative is to have less belligerent, more bookish people gradually depart WP in despair and disgust. Regards, ImpuMozhi 08:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: File a request for comment. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Comments 

message: This is quite convenient. You delete the comments here and your buddy deletes them from where you moved it.  Is censorship and kicking of India's heritage your main aim? I can understand a swiss but an Indian? Sirohi S 08:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the comments which is the correct procedure. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I consider the company I keep, I cannot repine. Nichalp is a brainwashed idiot, Bachmann a racist, Zora a jehadist. And up there, on that same firmament, twinkles the star of Your Truly, brighter than the best of bureaucrats, admins and veterans. Its all I can do to keep my head on my shoulders. ImpuMozhi 12:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nichal

message: I've listed Dhwanit's locator maps for deletion as we have effected better quality maps for usage. =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps for deletion

message: Finally, after much hard work, Sikhism is a featured article ;) Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 23:38, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations! - Ganeshk (talk) 08:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats ! =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikhism is a featured article 

message: Hello. This is for the Kochi page. Could somebody familiar with Sanskrit provide an English translation for the word Go Shree. Thanks! -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK13:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't it mean "Cow wealth"? deeptrivia (talk) 14:01, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it certainly has something to do with cows. But why would anybody name a city "cow wealth"? Because it has so many cows? :? -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation request