Talk:2007 Mogadishu TransAVIAexport Airlines Il-76 crash

message: It would be nice to get a real image, not just a stock photo, for this page. I've seen some on Yahoo! News , but I don't know much about all the copyright stuff. – Zntrip 20:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm busy working on Levina 1 tonight, but I'll put one of those photos on tomorrow. Thanks - I've been looking for decent images for this since the plane went down. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 20:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This image needs to be removed.  It is being considered for deletion and almost certainly will be deleted as blatant copyright violation.  The "fair use justification" does not cite any valid reasons why this use could be considered "fair". -- Selket Talk 08:04, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Overall, the article is pretty good. Not quite at GA level yet, but almost there. First, the quick version:
:GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
===Suggestions===
The main problem with this article is the prose. While it is generally possible to understand the gist of the article, there are a lot of grammatical errors that need to be fixed. The article is in desperate need of a copyedit; perhaps ask at the League of Copyeditors for some assistance. Some specific points (note that this does not encompass every prose-related issue, but is just a starting point):
#Is it "Il-76" or "IL-76"? Both versions are used in the article text. If both are correct, use the capital L as the former can look like "II" (two capital i's). If only one version is correct, make sure that there is consistency.
#There are a number of occurrences of ambiguous pronoun references that need to be fixed.
#The Background section talks about two plane crashes, but switches between them; better organization is needed.
#Avoid conjunction repetition, especially in the same sentence: "...then separated from the main fuselage of the aircraft and plunged into the Indian Ocean, whilst the rest of the plane flew along the beach at a low altitude whilst on fire before crashing."
#There is no consistency for date formatting. I suggest using the full date for each (ie. March 24 2007), and remember to wikilink it.
While the article is very well cited, there are problems with specific references: #5 is a broken link, and #14 gives a server not found error. Also, while not critical, it would be good to eventually replace the references that do not use a cite template with one that does. 
My final concern, though again not critical, is the title. It's overly wordy where I'm not sure it needs to be. This isn't a GA failing point, but something to consider.
===Conclusion===
*Article in heavy need of copyediting.
*A couple broken refs should be fixed.
As such, I have put the GA nomination on hold for one week, pending repairing the above, which I think is doable. Once the fixes have been made, I'd be glad to approve the article for GA. —Daniel Vandersluis(talk) 19:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: *Article in heavy need of copyediting.
*A couple broken refs should be fixed.
As such, I have put the GA nomination on hold for one week, pending repairing the above, which I think is doable. Once the fixes have been made, I'd be glad to approve the article for GA. —Daniel Vandersluis(talk) 19:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusion

message: ===The Il-76===
The aircraft involved was an Ilyushin Il-76 cargo plane, one of the largest of its kind worldwide. Il-76s are 47 metres long and have the capacity to carry a payload of up to 45 tonnes of cargo. They require a minimum crew of six.'Somali plane was shot down' - News24.com - Obtained March 25, 2007.
===Previous attempted shootdown===
Fourteen days prior to the crash another Transaviaexport Il-76 was the subject of another attempted shootdown in the same area; the plane in the that incident was carrying Ugandan peacekeepers and made a successful emergency landing after being struck by a rocket propelled grenade.
===The crash flight===
The plane had been on a chartered cargo flight carrying equipment to Ugandan AMISOM peacekeepers in the Somali capital of Mogadishu. The plane was carrying a full crew of six, plus four Transaviaexport engineers that worked on repairing the other Il-76. Much of the equipment on board the lost aircraft was for repairing the aircraft damaged earlier, the rest of it being humanitarian aid. Somali officials claimed both aircraft incidents occurred due to technical failures rather than armed attacks.11 crew of cargo plane shot down in Somali capital die - The Star Tribune - Obtained March 25, 2007.
Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 19:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Background

message: The plane had been on a chartered cargo flight carrying equipment to Ugandan AMISOM peacekeepers in the Somali capital of Mogadishu. The plane was carrying a full crew of six, plus four Transaviaexport engineers that worked on repairing the other Il-76. Much of the equipment on board the lost aircraft was for repairing the aircraft damaged earlier, the rest of it being humanitarian aid. Somali officials claimed both aircraft incidents occurred due to technical failures rather than armed attacks.11 crew of cargo plane shot down in Somali capital die - The Star Tribune - Obtained March 25, 2007.
Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 19:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The crash flight

message: Despite my statement earlier that I'd do a rename, I'm holding off to get input. As the flight doesn't appear to have had a flight number, here are some possibilities that would fit our general guidelines:
*Transaviaexport Cargo Airline Somali charter flight
*2007 Mogadishu Ilyushin Il-76 crash
*2007 Mogadishu Transaviaexport Cargo Il-76 crash
Personally, I prefer the last of the three. Any comments or alternat suggestions? Akradecki 20:40, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too prefer the last one; it's shorter and has slightly more information (location). I say be bold and go ahead with it. And that's some amazing copyediting, by the way! Much apreciated! Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 20:44, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, as the name meets the guidelines of both the Aviation project and the Disaster Management project, I'll go do that. And thanks for the encouraging comments! Akradecki 20:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. My only problem so far is that the "on of the largest in the world" claims were sourced, so rather than remove them here, I believe they should be added to the article on the Il-76. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 20:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean, but it's one of those things that, yeah, there's sourcing, but the sourcing isn't even close to being accurate. For instance, the max takeoff weight of the 747 freighter is almost 2x as much as the Il-76, and the Russian's AN-124 is almost 3x as much (this one is the largest commercial cargo aircraft in the world, and I suspect that the reporter who wrote that source was confusing the two, and there is some visual resemblance). Akradecki 20:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, leave it out. The only stuff I've picked up in this field is self taught from a keen interest, so I have to go along with what these things say. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 20:57, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: I have changed the name of the airline and moved the pages (including all linking pages) in accordance with the actual spelling of the airline - TransAVIAexport - this is how the name is registered with both Belarus and Russian aviation authorities, and is also visible on the fuselage of the aircraft.
And in case this is usual information for someone to add in, here is a list of the crew who were killed:
*Igor Leonidovich Bashkevich - Commander of the Air Squadron
*Aleksandr Viktorovich Gomanykov - Co-Pilot
*Gennady Aleksandrovich Trashkov - Navigator
*Ivan Ivanovich Gab - Onboard engineer
*Oleg Viktorich Kanunnikov - Radio operator
*Aleksandr Ivanovich Zernin - Senior load attendant
*Igor Mikhailovich Gres - Load attendant
*Oleg Yevgenyushovich Bondaronok - Aircraft technician
*Mikhail Ivanovich Baglov - Aircraft engineer
*Dmitry Sergeevich Nosnikov - Aircraft technician
*Artem Borisovich Sychugov - Aircraft technician
--Russavia 10:33, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the information in. Until very recently we didn't include this, but the Virginia Tech massacre prompted a review of this, and now lists of victims are considered acceptable again. Thank you, Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 10:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of airline and crew names 

message: The external link to http://www.shabelle.net/news/ne2619.htm ...
Opening the link shows photos of bodies strewn on the ground. Now whilst this doesn't offend me, nor does it distress me, as Wikipedia is used by users of all ages, and given the content of those photos, is it standard on wikipedia to provide a 'graphic warning' or something of the like in regards to such links?  --Russavia 12:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really mind it either, but I guess there's no harm and much potential benefit to a warning, so I've added one in. Good thinking! Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 15:58, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link - warning needed? 

message: Due to the extensive changes made on this article since the review, I now deem it ready to be promoted to GA status. Congratulations to all involved, and be sure to keep up the good work on this and other articles! —Daniel Vandersluis(talk) 15:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Blood Red Sandman (Talk)  (Contribs) 15:59, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks from me, as well, and big thanks Sandman...your dedication to bringing this article up to speed is certainly inspiring. Akradecki 21:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Pass 

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