Talk:Hari Singh

message: This article is a disaster area. I have just performed an extensive cleanup to remove bias and a great deal of extraneous material. The information on the royal house of J&K definitely does not belong here, either: a separate article should be created for this detail. Please note that information on Partab, Gulab or Karan Singh should be in articles about them, not this one. There is also a desperate need for very reliable references without bias towards India or Pakistan. -- TinaSparkle 14:21, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: * Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir) to the Country / Dominion of India
* Lord Mountbatten, Governor General of India, accepted accession of Jammu and Kashmir to India
* Jammu and Kashmir, India
* Indo-Pakistani wars
* What is called by the Government of Pakistan as Azad Kashmir but is infact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
* Line of Control
* Pakistan-administered Kashmir an area of Kashmir adminstered by Pakistan, in fact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
* Kargil War or the Indo-Pakistani War of 1999
* LOC Kargil, a 2003 Bollywood war film based on "Kargil War" or the "Indo-Pakistani War of 1999", directed by J.P.Dutta
* Indo-China War Kashmir
* Trans-Karakoram Tract an area of Kashmir administered by China, in fact an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
* Aksai Chin an area of Kashmir adminstered by China, infact another integral part of Jammu and Kashmir
* Dr. Karan Singh, son of Maharaja Hari Singh and distinguished diplomat, Congress Leader from J&K, Royal Family and would have been the present Maharaja / Emperor / King of all Lands and Territories of Jammu and Kashmir, Dr Karan Singh was born heir apparent to the then ruler of the state of Jammu and Kashmir and served successively as regent, Sardar-i-Riyasat and governor of the state.
* Kashmir region
* Kashmir conflict
* Indian Kashmir barrier
* Timeline of the Kashmir conflict
* 2005 Kashmir earthquake
* Kashmir
* List of Kashmiris
* Muzaffarabad
* Kashmiri
* Kashmiri Pandit
* Shaikh Abdullah, Politician
* Indo-Pakistan Wars
* India
* Pakistan
* Dogra
* Rajput
* Dynasties of Ancient Kashmir
* Maharaja / Emperor / King
* Monarch / Maharaja / Emperor / King
* Gujjar
* List of topics on the land and the people of “Jammu and Kashmir” 
External Links
* Proclamation of May 1, 1951 on Jammu & Kashmir Constituent Assembly by Yuvraj (Crown Prince) Karan Singh from the Official website of Government of Jammu and Kashmir, India
* Conflict in Kashmir: Selected Internet Resources by the Library, University of California, Berkeley, USA; University of California at Berkeley Library Bibliographies and Web-Bibliographies list
Atulsnischal 23:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi Deepak please dont remove Karan Singh from Jammu & Kashmir, he is the would be "Maharaja / king" of all of Jammu & Kashmir, please check history. His father was king he stepped down from throne and he acceded to India like so many Royals did from all the Princly States.
Thanks
08:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr [[Karan Singh]] The would be "Maharaja / king" of all of [[Jammu & Kashmir]]

message: So you mean to say Karan Singh is the would be Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir?! Nevermind, the very purpose of the See also section is to provide links to readers to articles on other topics related to the concerned topic. I just don't understand why would a person who would like to gain some information regarding J&K will go to an article on Karan Singh? Besides, so what if he belongs to a royal family? --Incman|वार्ता 08:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha.. KING of Jammu and Kashmir.. the last thing I want to know is that India is a monarchy. LOL! --Incman|वार्ता 08:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I know that Mr. Karan Singh has a great personality and is a good man but you have to understand the rules of Wikipedia. Adding a link to Karan Singh defeats the very purpose of the See also section and would result in a decline of Wikipedia's overall credibility. I hope you understand the problem and I would like to express my apologies for my earlier argumentative tone. Thanks --Incman|वार्ता 09:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, at the same time you must realize that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and therefore not the right mean for all this. --Incman|वार्ता 09:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Atulsnischal, if you continue with your stubborn attitude, I will have to take up the matter to a Wikipedia administrator or Arbcom. --Incman|वार्ता 19:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course I am obsessed with the article on J&K. As a matter of fact, a good chunk of that article is written by me (including the History section). And before calling me inconsiderate, look at yourself! Have you analyzed my arguments above in a logical way? You say: "Some people still respect him on all 3 sides of the Borders of J&K, he may someday help people to come together and reach some understanding, atleast he can do some good on his own, he has a historical connection to this disputed land and its people, we can atleast provide a link to people for an important chapter in the history of J&K and a very important personality of the state." Hello! This is an encyclopedia. Not a propaganda website. Anyways, I find this discussion a waste of time and unintellectual. So I won't take part in it anymore as I have better things to do. --Incman|वार्ता 20:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Dr [[Karan Singh]] The would be "Maharaja / king" of all of [[Jammu & Kashmir]]

message: "The Kashmir puzzle"
THE HINDU
Online edition of India's National Newspaper
Thursday, Dec 14, 2006
Opinion - Letters to the Editor 
 
This refers to the editorial "Clues to Kashmir peace puzzle" (Dec. 13). Pakistan Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam's statement that her country has never claimed Kashmir as an integral part of its territory is a pleasant surprise. She has buttressed her assertion, saying Pakistan-held Kashmir has its own president and prime minister. It is clear that there is a paradigm shift in Pakistan's stand on Kashmir. If it indeed has no territorial design in Kashmir, it should leave the issue to the Kashmiris and stop fighting on their behalf. 
K.V. Seetharamaiah, 
Hassan 
Ms. Aslam's remarks vindicate New Delhi's stand that Kashmir is an integral part of India. One feels that the latest statements by President Pervez Musharraf and his Government are effective catalysts for a change. 
K.S. Thampi, 
Chennai 
By stating openly that it has never claimed Kashmir as its integral part, Pakistan has only reiterated the legal position. The Indian Independence Act 1947 gave the princely states the right to choose between India and Pakistan. Jammu and Kashmir became an irrevocable part of India once Hari Singh signed the Instrument of Accession to India. 
It is an open secret that Pakistan's relations with India have been closely linked to its fixation on Kashmir. When all is said and done, Pakistan's latest statement is welcome, as it is likely to take the neighbours closer to solving the peace puzzle. 
A. Paramesham, 
New Delhi 
A week ago, Gen. Musharraf said Pakistan was willing to give up its claim to Kashmir if India accepted his "four-point solution." Why should he offer to give up the claim over something his country never claimed in the first place, using a non-existent thing to negotiate? "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive!" (Sir Walter Scott, Marmion) 
S.P. Sundaram, 
Chennai 
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/12/05/pakistan-kashmir.html?ref=rss 
Now that Gen. Musharraf has clarified Pakistan's stand on Kashmir, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh should seize the opportunity to settle the issue once and for all. The BJP should not be a stumbling block to the negotiations. 
M.N. Srinivasan, 
Vellore 
 
Statements emanating from Pakistan are intended to pressure India in two ways. While they will invoke the wrath of those who favour self-rule for Kashmir, India will be forced to negotiate the Kashmir issue more seriously on bilateral and multilateral forums. The Government should respond with a strong message. 
Rajeev Ranjan Dwivedi, 
Dhenkanal, Orissa 
Pakistan's latest statement is superficial and bears no significance. It should not be seen as a shift in its Kashmir policy. It is an attempt to mislead the world until the tide turns in Gen. Musharraf's favour. With India set to sign a nuclear deal with the U.S., Pakistan wants to gain some ground and win credibility in American circles. Had Gen. Musharraf really believed that the people of Kashmir should decide their fate, he would have ended cross-border terror by now. 
Shashikant Singh, 
Roorkee 
Source: The Hindu
Date:14/12/2006 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/12/14/stories/2006121404131000.htm
 
Atulsnischal 12:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2006: Latest comments of Pakistan over Kashmir '''“The Kashmir puzzle”'''

message: Following para is originally from this article:
The royal house of Jammu and Kashmir
The royal house of Kashmir trace their roots to the mythical Ikshvaku (Solar) Dynasty of Northern India, the same clan in which, according to legend, Rama was born. Rama is the 'kuldevta' (family deity) of the Dogras.
According to legend, Raghuvanshi descendant, Agnigarba, who was living as a recluse, came to Nagarkote (Kangra, Himachal Pradesh), in the Shivalik Hills. When the Raja of Kangra came to know about this person's ancestry, he offered him the hand of his daughter and a part of kingdom. The river Ravi was then the boundary of Nagarkote. Agnigarba crossed it and captured some villages in the Kathua area and declared himself as sovereign king. 
After his death, his son Bayusharva (B.C. 1530-1500) married the princess of Parole (Kathua). The princess was known as Erwan and she died young. The Raja founded a city after her which is still found near Parole, though now a small village and at the 'Samadhi' of the queen, a `Mela' (fair) is held at every `Baisakhi' (13 or 14 April) every year. Bayusharva extended the boundaries up to the river Ujh. Bayusharva's great grandson, Bahulochan was enthroned after his death. He migrated from Erwan and built his fort on the banks of river Tawi. Bahulochan died in a bloody battle with Chadaras, Raja of Sialkot (Shayalkot) and his younger brother Jambulochan (B.C 1320-1290) ascended the throne. In those days the area beyond Tawi (the present city of Jammu) was used for hunting. Tradition has it that one day Jambulochan came to this area and while he was sitting behind a bush to ambush some bird or animal, he saw a lion( a tiger in some accounts) and a goat drinking water from the same pond. This peaceful coexistence encouraged him to found the city of Jammu, which some say is named after him. 
One of his descendants, Raja Shaktikaran (B.C 1200-1177) introduced the Dogri Script for the first time. Another of his descendants, Jasdev founded the city of Jasrota on the bank of river Ujh, and another Raja, Karan Dev built a fort on the banks of the river Basantar. In the early centuries of the first millennium the area came under the sway of the Indo-Greeks, with their capital at Sakala (Sialkot).
Among the rulers of Jammu was Raja Ranjit Dev (1728-1780), who introduced social reforms such as a ban on sati (immolation of the wife on the pyre of the husband) and female infanticide.
Later, under Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the state became part of the Sikh Kingdom of the Punjab. Ranjit Singh rendered this state to his general, Gulab Singh, who belonged to the Jamwal Rajput clan that ruled Jammu. He extended the boundaries of Jammu to western Tibet with the help of General Zorawar Singh, who has been referred to by British Historians as the 'Napoleon of India'.Dogra rule extended beyond the Jammu Region and the Kashmir Valley to the Tibetan Buddhist Kingdom of Ladakh and the Emirates of Hunza, Gilgit and Nagar. After the Second Anglo-Sikh War in 1846, Jammu again became an independent Rajput Kingdom under Maharaja Gulab Singh, as per the treaties signed between the British and the Sikhs.
Maharaja Partab Singh (enthroned in 1855) saw the construction of Banihal Cart Road (B.C. Road) mainly to facilitate telegraph services.
Atulsnischal 08:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
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