Talk:Alpha Kappa Alpha/GA1

message: I've started the reivew, but am not able to do the review strait through. My progress can be tracked here. Feel free to comment there on anything you have questions about or may disagree with. Regards, Lara♥Love 20:15, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
 
===Non-section-specific===
*Ensure all dates are wikilinked for user preferences. This is all month day, year combos as well as any month day combos.
*In headings, only the first letter of the first word, and the first letter of proper nouns are capitalized; all other letters are in lower case (for example, “Rules and regulations”, not “Rules and Regulations”)[1]
*The ndash should be used to distinguish between years. This is an issue in the headings and also in the body. There is also inconsistent spacing between years and dashes in the subheading titles.
*Remove the random wikification of stand-alone years.
*Has there been any criticism of the sorority?
===History===
*I feel that sections 1.3 and 1.4 should have further wording in the titles to be consistent with Beginnings, Cession and formation..., and Present day. 
====Beginnings: 1907-1912====
*Unless there is a good reason to do so, Wikipedia avoids linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader.[2]
*Redlinks are appropriate as long as they are relevant to the article and notable within themselves as an article. Are all the redlinks in this article potential articles? If not, they need to be removed.[3]
*"Eventually nine women, along with Hedgeman, Beulah Burke, Lillie Burke, Lucy Diggs Slowe, Marjorie Hill, Margaret Flagg Holmes, Marie Woolfolk Taylor, Anna Easter Brown, and Lavinia Norman were involved in the instrumental phases in organizing the sorority." - Would be better worded as "Hedgeman was eventually joined by Beulah Burke, Lillie Burke, Lucy Diggs Slowe, Marjorie Hill, Margaret Flagg Holmes, Marie Woolfolk Taylor, Anna Easter Brown, and Lavinia Norman in the instrumental phases in organizing the sorority."
====Cession and formation of Delta Sigma Theta: 1912-1913====
*"When the word was spread to Nellie Quander about changing the sorority namesake, she was said to be "horrified" at the proposal and gave the women who disagreed with her a deadline to terminate the efforts of reorganizing the sorority." - Nellie Quander is not previously mentioned in the article, thereby causing this sentence to lack context. 
*The constant listing of names is distracting and makes the article difficult to read, in my opinion.
*"Later, Quander led the group which incorporated Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority as a perpetual body on January 29, 1913.[17] Quander, along with Nellie Pratt Russell, Julia Evangeline Brooks, Norma Elizabeth Boyd, Ethel Jones Mowbray, and Minnie B. Smith incorporated the sorority.[9]" - These two sentences appear to be stating the same thing, but in different ways. If so, combine the information into one sentence.
*The image of the pearls seems out of place here. I realize it's representative of the name given to the founders, but it's not a direct representation. It's just a generic photo of pearls. That's my opinion.
====1920 - 1950====
*The manual of style discourages sandwiching text between images. This is, however, not in the GA criteria.[4]
*Some of the capitalization in this section seems unnecessary. "Southern Blacks", "Summer School", "Rural Teachers"
*This section lacks citation.
====1960 - 1980====
*The last sentence/paragraph seems to be incorrectly worded. 
*If you're going for FA, you need to rearrange the image so as not to sandwich text between them.
*This section lacks citation.
====Present day: 1990 - 2000====
*"However, on September 9, 2002, after undergoing a ceremony Pacific Ocean at Dockweiler State Beach, twenty-two year old Kristin High and twenty-four year old Kenitha Saafir were swept into a ten foot surf, which killing them." - Needs to be reworded.
*"The suit claimed that the two women lost sleep while performing tasks for the members of the underground sorority, carried out physical exercises on the beach, wore jogging clothes and tennis shoes." - This also needs to be reworded.
*I don't believe Fraternity should be capitalized.
*The last sentence of the last paragraph seems out of place. It should start a new paragraph and, if possible, add a some additional info, i.e. any plans they may have for this occasion.
===Membership===
====Membership Interest and Intake====
*For the quote, replace the dashes with mdashes.
====The Boulè====
*The Silver and Golden Jubilee being colored, while cutes, isn't necessarily appropriate. The silver is difficult to see. There may (although I'm not sure) be issues with the gold for some people with color-blindness. For that reason, I recommend removing the use of color for these words. 
===National Programs===
====Ivy Acres====
*"Ivy Acres is a retirement center located in Winston-Salem, North Carolina." - Nothing wrong with that, just thought it was amusing that my city is part of this article. Didn't see that coming.
===Article custodian comments/questions===
First thanks for providing this review. Let me respond to your points. First, the quotations are necessary to the order in order to introduce the importance of the scope of the programs (in the national programs section), to provide the purpose of the sorority (first quotation) and to provide the experience that one person had pledging in the sorority. The red links are future articles of AKA founders.  Nellie Quander is an incorporator who was the only one from the group to table the decision not to change the colors of the sorority as well as the motto and the ideals, thus bringing up the cession of seven women leaving the sorority to form DST. I am trying to eventually make this into a FA like Alpha Phi Alpha. Any help would be appropriate. Thanks. Miranda 03:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The placement of the quotes is fine, imo, it's the wikilinking within the quotes that needs to be removed. If all the redlinks are notable subjects that will be able to successfully hold their own article, that's fine. They'll have to be created prior to FA, of course. I read about who Nellie Quander is by clicking and reading her article, however, that shouldn't be required. There should be some introduction as to who she is before she is mentioned as being outraged. Lara♥Love 04:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I haven't thought of that. Let me do a little research and add that to the article soon (couple of days). Miranda 05:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have time to look over those in-depth, but the first thing I notice is there are not paragraphs of names listed. I can't help but assume all of the women listed and linked in the article are not notable enough to hold their own article. It seems, to me, to be unnecessary to list all of these women. The first pledges for example, don't seem notable to me. And it does not improve the readability of the article to have so many names listed. People don't care to read names, imo, particularly when they aren't previously familiar with those names. Lara♥Love 19:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Sections three and four are kind of under construction. I need to do further research on these sections, such as citations. The "horrified" quote is cited from the Delta Sigma Theta book. I kind of added a minor description of who Nellie Quander was. Criticism of sororities can be found on Fraternities and Sororities, more general. Hazing is mentioned in the 1990s/present day section. Updated the mdash in the quote. Miranda 18:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Issues have not been addressed, therefore, the article will not be listed as a GA at this time. Once the article has been brought up to standards, it may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision was made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, Lara♥Love 03:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GAC|GAC]] review

message: First thanks for providing this review. Let me respond to your points. First, the quotations are necessary to the order in order to introduce the importance of the scope of the programs (in the national programs section), to provide the purpose of the sorority (first quotation) and to provide the experience that one person had pledging in the sorority. The red links are future articles of AKA founders.  Nellie Quander is an incorporator who was the only one from the group to table the decision not to change the colors of the sorority as well as the motto and the ideals, thus bringing up the cession of seven women leaving the sorority to form DST. I am trying to eventually make this into a FA like Alpha Phi Alpha. Any help would be appropriate. Thanks. Miranda 03:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The placement of the quotes is fine, imo, it's the wikilinking within the quotes that needs to be removed. If all the redlinks are notable subjects that will be able to successfully hold their own article, that's fine. They'll have to be created prior to FA, of course. I read about who Nellie Quander is by clicking and reading her article, however, that shouldn't be required. There should be some introduction as to who she is before she is mentioned as being outraged. Lara♥Love 04:53, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I haven't thought of that. Let me do a little research and add that to the article soon (couple of days). Miranda 05:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have time to look over those in-depth, but the first thing I notice is there are not paragraphs of names listed. I can't help but assume all of the women listed and linked in the article are not notable enough to hold their own article. It seems, to me, to be unnecessary to list all of these women. The first pledges for example, don't seem notable to me. And it does not improve the readability of the article to have so many names listed. People don't care to read names, imo, particularly when they aren't previously familiar with those names. Lara♥Love 19:28, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Sections three and four are kind of under construction. I need to do further research on these sections, such as citations. The "horrified" quote is cited from the Delta Sigma Theta book. I kind of added a minor description of who Nellie Quander was. Criticism of sororities can be found on Fraternities and Sororities, more general. Hazing is mentioned in the 1990s/present day section. Updated the mdash in the quote. Miranda 18:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article custodian comments/questions

message: The nomination was placed on hold July 27 to allow time for issues already noted in the review in progress to be addressed while I completed the review. Very little progress has been made. Three days remain on the hold. Regards, Lara♥Love 18:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Issues have not been addressed, therefore, the article will not be listed as a GA at this time. Once the article has been brought up to standards, it may be renominated at WP:GAC. If you feel this decision was made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GA/R. Regards, Lara♥Love 03:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conclusion