Talk:Gjirokastër

message: I fail to understand why something that occurred 'on the land opposite Corfu' is also confirmed as part of the history of this town. Giakoumis in his work offers descriptions about the Albanian precense in the town (
According to the sources, there were two migrant groups, the one which travelled via Ohrid and ended in Thessaly while the other, moving through Kelcyre, reached Gjirokaster and the despotate. The purpose of their occupation was to search for new pasture lands. The combination of fertile plains and mountains rich in grasslands in the region of Gjirokaster was ideal for the poor nomadic Albanians who did not hesitate to ravage cities when they lacked provisions.."; p. 182. "Furthermore, I presented evidence that the in the fourteenth century immigrant Albanians taking advantage of the decimation of the local Epirote population by to the Black death also migrated into the regions of Gjirokastër) however the supposed presence opposite Corfu means nothing about Gjirokaster. No wonder the word Gjirokaster is absent in this part of Giakoumis' paper.Alexikoua (talk) 19:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fair point. Especially since the mention of the Albanian raiders/settlers in the "land off Corfu" is even less about Gjirokaster and more about Albanians, and specifically the subgroup later known as Chams. The one should not be confused with the other. --👧🏻 SilentResident 👧🏻  (talk ✉️ | contribs 📝) 23:36, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I reviewed the source again and you are correct. Thank you for taking the time to explain. --Calthinus (talk) 15:00, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed that there is a huge historical gap almost 1+1/2 century long. Giakoumis provides some details on 18th century Gjirokaster and this can be fixed with a small addition.Alexikoua (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Misrepresenting Giakoumis

message: :::I've noticed that there is a huge historical gap almost 1+1/2 century long. Giakoumis provides some details on 18th century Gjirokaster and this can be fixed with a small addition.Alexikoua (talk) 14:01, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Giakoumis and 18th century

message: Being twinned with an Albanian city can't really be called 'international relations', right? Onoufrios d (talk) 06:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I will try to fix and add other international cities if I can find any reliable source Bes-ARTTalk 10:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internation relations 

message: This edit [] replaces information by a secondary academic source (the demolition of E.Hoxha statue by the Greek minority) with information provided by a local news portal (+removing anything linked to the Greek minority about this event). Editors should be very careful and follow wp:HISTRS on such issues.Alexikoua (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:HISTRS]] manipulation

message: *I have replaced Pettifer (2001) with Kokolakis (2003) in relation to this statement:  which cites Pettifer (2001):  Both the edit and the citation when compared to specialized references about the area turn out to be wrong. Any army - the Greek army included - in the Balkan Wars entered an area to seize it regardless of the local population. Neither Filiates, nor Konispol had a large Greek-speaking population, yet the Greek army attacked them - as did all armies everywhere in the Balkans without taking into account the wishes of the locals. The population of Gjirokastër itself was predominantly Albanian-speaking and only a small number of families were Greek-speaking. This is repeated throughout Kokolakis (2003). I included only a couple of the quotes: --Maleschreiber (talk) 22:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kokolakis and other sources 

message: *I am not necessarily against including that content , but first it should be clarified what is meant with "Gjirokaster region". Ofc it is not the town itself, since the town was Muslim-majority (per Kokolakis). Psomas' "Gjirokaster region" was Orthodox-majority, so maybe it included Dropull, Pogon etc. Ktrimi991 (talk) 23:25, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article using Kokolakis as a source says:  Citing Kokolakis and Giakoumis,it also says: . Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:05, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see that, but that's not what I asked. I asked, where does Kokolakis state that Muslims were a majority in the city in the late 19th/early 20th century? Page number or quote. Khirurg (talk) 00:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I added a heading so it is a separate section now. Ktrimi991 (talk) 00:37, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Kokolakis mentions "Muslim communities" and includes Gjirokaster among them, but I don't see "Muslim majority" mentioned anywhere. Of course there was a Muslim community in Gjirokaster at the time, but it does not mean the town was Muslim majority. I don't see that anywhere in Kokolakis. Khirurg (talk) 02:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "compact population" refers to the Muslim majority.--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Compact population" does not mean "majority". Thanks for confirming your source does not support the claim of a Muslim majority. Khirurg (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It does - this is what "compact population" refers to. I can list all the urban families of Gjirokastër and it'll become apparent that the vast majority are Muslim.--Maleschreiber (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Psomas

message: I failed verification regarding the passage: , which directly confronts with the passage above it, which I could verify: . Could someone check if the source actually mentions "Given its large Greek population"? AlexBachmann (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the cited pdf here. The article text closely mirrors the source text, which is that the Greek population was large, but not the majority. The source also confirms that the Greek population was in the minority. The other source doesn't say "only a few" but "small number", which is a pretty squishy distinction. But perhaps the most interesting detail is that the first source notes that population numbers from that time may be inaccurate, so it may be difficult to determine which source is more accurate. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for taking the time for this. I wanted to ask which source you're referring to when you mentioned "first source"? The first source here or in the article? The first source in the article is the second one here. I know, sounds confusing. AlexBachmann (talk) 20:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure! By "first source" I meant the source for the "large greek population" claim, which is here. By "second source" I meant the source for the "few Greek-speaking families" claim, which is here, although I should emphasize that for the second source, I'm relying on the translation given in the citation template. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, based on what I've read, I would propose to change "Given its large Greek population" into "Given its Greek minority". The first one may even implicate a Greek majority. Again, thanks for your help, I appreciate it. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm supportive of that change; it conveys the same intent while still conforming to the source. Along those same lines, I suggest that "only a few" in the second claim be changed to something like "a small number", both to better conform with the source and to remove the use of "only" per MOS:EDITORIAL. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll agree with that. If anyone has an objection, they may be heard here. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue