Talk:John Rutter

message: I will be doing an 10 page essay on John Rutter's Requiem. I already have a bibliography of about 4 pages. Futhermore I have a 3 page analysis to do and I plan to do it on his recuring thematic material. For example the sopranos start singing in the Introit and this material can be herd in the pie jesu and obviously recures at the end of the work. A cycle of songs. I am however open to suggestions. Perhaps I could have my thesis on general deviation from Faure and or the War Requiem? (maybe to long for a 2 page analysis). Anyone? --CyclePat 02:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For anyone interest I finished my 15 page essay on the external and internal influence on John Rutter's Requiem. Send me an email if you want to read a copy! It has a 5 page bibliogaphy! Surelly that's more information that this entire article. Some really good sources. --CyclePat 06:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French essay on John Rutter from University of Ottawa 

message: We really need a reliable citation for this inherently point of view comment: 
:In addition, classically-trained musicans, both in the USA and UK, are skeptical when it comes to Rutter's music. They claim it is predictable, unoriginal, and indulges too frequently in 'sickeningly-sweet' harmonies. However, the average layperson or audience attendee seems to be unaware of this aspect of Rutter's music.
Rob 19:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Rob, Indeed! Thank you for the removing this one. --CyclePat (talk) 22:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited comment 

message: There is no mention of Rutter's work in the 70's on The Beatles Concerto.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.239.224 (talk) 07:23, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Next time can you please add the proper source formating! Good luck. --CyclePat (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beatles Concerto 

message: I couldn't understand the organization of the three lists.  I suppose a carol is a distinct genre.  But how does one distinguish between "Choral works" and "Anthems and other compositions"?  There seems in any case to be a good deal of overlap between the 3 different lists.... Nandt1 (talk) 04:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and nothing has happened in years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It reflects his own humility. Who he's writing for. He does the great ceremonials, but also things that are accessible for beginners. He's careful not to throw the former at the latter: I was, thankfully, good enough when I returned to voice after 40 years making peace in the world. Perhaps there's no greater example than something in his bottom drawer of unpublished work. I've been present when a series of song settings he wrote for a childrens' choir foundation was performed. Stepwise, from toddlers aged 3 and 4, to early teens, the music getting more demanding as they're older. That's John to a T. Caring.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.9.109 (talk) 00:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Don't follow the logic of the different lists of his work

message: The "Reception" section includes a criticism of Rutter's style by an amateur composer, David Arditti. Though it doesn't seem to be a self-published source, it doesn't look particularly reputable either; it includes numerous errors that even a basic peer-review process would have caught (e.g. citing John "Taverner" and "Georgio" Pacchioni), and Arditti himself doesn't appear to be a prominent writer in this field (I can't find any info in secondary sources about him). I'm all for balance, but are we perhaps giving undue weight to this writer?--Lemuellio (talk) 14:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's hardly "undue". There is otherwise no negative hint whatsoever, and Arditti makes a very balanced comment. I have sung a number of Rutter's works -- the large-scale Requiem and and Gloria are both works deserving to be in the repertoire, interesting and challenging on a moderate level. But the carols certainly call for one or two words like "facile" or "mawkish" to appear somewhere, in a not-too-strident way. I have also read quite a bit of what Rutter says about himself, and he is disarmingly frank: "I'm a commercial composer", were I think his exact words. His main customer base seems to be the loony wing of the Christian party in the southern states of the US, so giving your customers what they want is hardly a big fault. This is just my opinion; I do not do Wikilawyering. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Agreed. The comment itself seems fair, but Arditti and the source are extremely marginal. People are reluctant to criticise Rutter's work on the record, however, and it might be difficult to find a more notable authority. Wilus (talk) 16:05, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

text: John Taverner was at school with John Rutter, two academic years ahead, and they sang together in the Choir. Taverner's first work was well received, and lit the fire in Rutter's belly: he says he thought, "If Taverner can do that, so can jolly well I" and did. Some of his American contacts are, I think, reflected in his wife's influence over him, Joanne. She always stays studiously in the shadows, but is very important in his gentility. The film of him and the swan earlier this year is him.
Both he and Taverner shared a deep love of Orthodox music, Taverner of the Greek schools, Rutter of the Cyrillic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.9.109 (talk) 00:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arditti quote 

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message: I've found 2 foundation sources for you: the man himself. He's essentially homegrown, too timid from his East-End grandmother's influence to be come a choral scholar as a boy, too uncoordinated to become an instrumentalist, but fortunate to have good schooling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb8BZ93ckPE&ab_channel=ProfAlanMacfarlane-Ayabaya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_AG_QrdjYI&ab_channel=ProfAlanMacfarlane-Ayabaya
The one comment I would make is that having taken part in various come-and-sings for him in the period 2012-2016, he was less alienated from the church later than earlier, seemingly finding comfort in improvised Orthodox chant in rhe Temple Church at one point, for example. Later in his baptismal Church of St Marylebone, he seemed to identify with the community. I surmise this was a reaction to a recent exposure to the still-primitive US culture. POV, of course, just offered as guidance.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.213.9.109 (talk) 01:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: The reference for music at the coronation Classic fm returns error 410 ("Removed"; distinct from 404 which may be temporary) when I access it in my browser (in Japan). This makes a dead link. However, it turns out that if I get the same url from my server in the US, the page content is still there. There should be some kind of "Geographic limited access tag" perhaps to indicate this...? Imaginatorium (talk) 12:08, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link problem