Talk:Rich man and Lazarus

message: I mean, yeah, they mentioned this article, but the piece is so poorly researched that they seem to think a "Wikipedia cartoonist" crated the image in the infobox, despite the fact that it says right there that the image came from Meister des Codex Aureus Epternacensis, and that information has been there with the image for at least fourteen years. Yet they seem to lay all the blame for the "black devil" on Wikipedia. Not exactly top-tier journalism. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the best WP-coverage I've seen, but I'm not sure they meant "Wikipedia cartoonist" literally (they may have), I thought it was more of a "historical context be damned, these things must not be shown in public, at least not in such a defining place." Fwiw, I don't see it in the google panel. I'm somewhat inclusionist on these (this article has been mentioned-templates), I find this one an interesting perspective. And if IP:s start to remove the LEADIMAGE, we have a hint on why. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:50, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm being perfectly honest I'm kind of hoping the author is watching this talk page and will amend her piece to align with objective reality. It's a historical artifact, not a "Wikipedia cartoon". Wikipedia is here to present information, not to interpret it, and certainly not to censor it. Whether it should be the lead image in the infobox is a discussion that could be had if it is felt there is a need, but it is clearly captioned as having come from an ancient manuscript, so it's hard to say how anyone could not see it for what it is. This is just lazy sensationalist journalism, uninformed opinions disguised as reporting. Hardly an uncommon issue in this day and age, but annoying nonetheless. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It could happen. Perhaps the author will try editing WP and then write a "Wikipedia's political science coverage is biased. I tried to fix it" story. Maybe not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Well, speak of the IP:s. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media mention 

message: Per above. If so, what should we change it to? Possible candidates at Category:Paintings of Lazarus and Dives. The current one is really old (I generally like that in articles like this), and illustrates several parts of the story. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:30, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. It is good summary of the parable. Str1977 (talk) 22:34, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Agreed. This was 6 months ago.  The caption gives the date, almost 1,000 years ago.  Johnbod (talk) 04:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we change the [[WP:LEADIMAGE]]? 

message: ::I have responded to a large comment in support of recent reverts on my talk page. For this article, only this is relevant:
::There is one revert I definitely disagree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rich_man_and_Lazarus&diff=prev&oldid=1064767718}, in which you revert what you call "you dropped an entire paragraph with background information from Josephus" - well, that paragraph actually gave pretty standard information not specific to Josephus (especially not with the AD years). That "background info" paragraph was out of place as the section was about presenting these different identifications, not separately giving background information about Caiaphas, Pilate and Gratus. Hence, including the years in which Caiaphas was High Priest in brackets was actually enough.
::As for the reference you complain about: the extra paragraph was introduced by "according to Josephus" but actually sourced to "Metzger & Coogan  Oxford Companion to the Bible, 1993. p 97". That page does include the information I included into the other paragraph. I never claimed Metzger was Cox or that Josephus was Cox. In fact, the entire ref for Caiaphas's term could also be removed entirely as it is common knowledge. Str1977 (talk) 23:43, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: The lost background paragraph

message: I did some trimming, may do more. Each item should have a decent secondary WP:RS stating "This whatever was whatevered by Rich man and Lazarus". Anything else is out of WP:PROPORTION. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop-cult sections