Talk:Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels

message: This article is incorrectly named. It is obviously not about smuggling tunnels in general, it is about smuggling tunnels in Gaza Strip, hence should be named Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels or something similar. Any objections? -- Viajero 07:58, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: MathKnight 16:35, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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message: Some escaped from East Berlin via smuggling tunnels. Socafan 22:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: *Support with Merge Request This article and Palestinian tunnel warfare in the Gaza Strip have very specific names but both deal with "Gazan tunnels." The two articles should be merged under the title "Gazan tunnels." The subject material isn't that great that would warrant a seperate article on Gaza-Egypt tunnels and Gaza-Israel tunnels. Basically, it's a fork. We can solve the title issue by setting up a merge discussion and include a title that covers both. I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 19:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to discussion/Merge request

message: I'm posting here the relevant sections of Gaza's Tunnel Phenomenon for reference as the issue of child labor is described on the page. (Another source is here.)
:on page 11: In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Interior Ministry established the Tunnel Affairs Commission (TAC) to act as the regulatory authority for commercial activities. Among its first acts was to issue a list of blacklisted imports, including weapons, alcohol, and tramadol, a painkiller much used in Gaza.19 In response to public concern at a rising toll of tunnel casualties, particularly of child workers, the TAC issued guidelines intended to ensure safe working conditions. Over time, it fenced off the site and stationed some three hundred black-clad internal-security personnel at entry points to spotcheck the documentation of persons entering and leaving the zone.
:on page 23: A similarly cavalier approach to child labor and tunnel fatalities damaged the movement’s standing with human-rights groups, despite government assurances dating back to 2008 that it was considering curbs.84 During a police patrol that the author was permitted to accompany in December 2011, nothing was done to impede the use of children in the tunnels, where, much as in Victorian coal mines, they are prized for their nimble bodies. At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials.85 Safety controls on imports appear similarly lax, although the TAC insists that a sixteen-man contingent carries out sporadic spot-checks.86
:in the notes: 84. The Rafah municipality repeatedly floated introduction of work permits for tunnel laborers, and collection of income tax from which workers are exempt.
:85. Maan News, 9 November 2011. Of sixty-four Palestinians reportedly killed in tunnel-related incidents in 2009 alone, thirty-three died as a result of tunnel collapse. Al Dameer Centre for Human Rights, 2 September 2010. 86. Interview, TAC official, Rafah, July 2010.
There's no suggestion in the article that most or all of the child workers were building the tunnels rather than running goods through them (as is clear from reading all of Pelham's piece or the other link). I'm changing the text as follows. From this:
:According to a report by the Institute for Palestine Studies, child labor was employed in building the tunnels with the justification that children more "nimble", and with the result that, “at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials”
to this:
:According to an article by Nicolas Pelham in the Journal of Palestine Studies, child labor is employed in the smuggling tunnels with the justification that children more "nimble." Despite a public outcry and calls from human rights groups for the Gaza government to stop the practice, regulations of child labor is lax. Pelham reports that  “at least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials;” most of the deaths in 2009 occurred in tunnels that collapsed.
Obviously, this is still dreadful, but at least more accurate.--Carwil (talk) 02:14, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything in Pelham's article that suggests that there was a "public outcry" over the practice of child labor. Pelham discusses "public concern" regarding worker casualties, not public concern over the use of children as laborers.GabrielF (talk) 01:38, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: In 'Measures taken by Egypt' it says:
In 2013, following the 2013 Egyptian coup d'état that ousted the pro-Hamas government,
I don't think it's fair to characterize the Morsi presidency as pro-Hamas. Not only did Morsi negotiate a Hamas-Israel ceasefire in 2012, but Morsi never sent weapons to Hamas during his term. Maybe it would be more accurate to say pro-Muslim Brotherhood Drsmartypants(Smarty M.D) (talk) 20:54, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: Despite Wikipedia forever banging on about the need for balance and a NPOV, this is a most one-sided of articles. Then again, instead of using the loaded term "smuggling tunnels", might not the title of this article be changed to the Gaza Strip Freedom Tunnels? For why does much of text read as it was a press release from the Israeli Government?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.151 (talk) 20:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Gaza Strip Freedom Tunnels"? Freedom for Hamas to smuggle in arms and, likely, hostages out. MJC51 (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  A smuggling outlets for an Israeli POV?