Talk:Maximilien Robespierre

message: I'm concerned that shortening the article may result in the omission of events and accusations against Robespierre, which might be intentional.Taksen (talk) 05:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Taksen, I have support here - see discussion above. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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message: According to the intro and infobox, Robespierre died on 10 Thermidor. However, the second paragraph in the "Execution" section currently lists the sequence of events thusly: 1) the Revolutionary Tribunal assembled at noon on 10 Thermidor, 2) Robespierre & Co. were accused of being counter-revolutionary and sentenced to death at 2 a.m. [which would be 14 hours later on 11 Thermidor], 3) Rob & Co. were taken away to be executed at 6 p.m. [another 16 hours later].
So, A) is the "2 a.m." really supposed to be "2 p.m."; B) "2 a.m." refers only to when they were accused of being counter-revolutionary (i.e. arrested) and not when they were sentenced, and therefore that event should be split off and listed before the information about when the Tribunal met; or C) they really did wait thirty hours and executed him on the 11th? 104.184.182.119 (talk) 09:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: you are right, it was 2 p.m, thanks. I changed it.Taksen (talk) 12:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Execution time frame needs correction or clarification.  

message: I noticed your changes on the Revolutionary Tribunal but never commented. I will add some to the talk page.
Here is what strikes me on your latest changes on Robespierre:
*You deleted the word deplorable which is a pity. It does not do any harm and tells what was going on.
*You deleted: for Louis I have neither love nor hate; I hate only his crimes.Robespierre:Oeuvres complètes, p. 129 The source is remarkable!
* According to his friend, the surgeon Joseph Souberbielle, Joachim Vilate,. You added a "cn" which is unnecessary as it is not true, if we  believe Charlotte.
: Here is the ref to "La fille de son hôte passoit pour sa femme, et avoit une sorte d'empire sur lui."Causes secrètes de la révolution du 9 au 10 thermidor par Vilate, p. 16
* You deleted: Robespierre urged the arrest of the Girondins. Again the source is remarkable and fully in line with what follows. What you are saying: IT IS NONSENSE TO USE WIKISOURCE in an article or to write MEMOIRES BECAUSE IN WIKIPEDIA it is not allowed to USE them?Taksen (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  The detail about Cambon and Robespierre early October 1793 from Retronews should go back as soon as I found it. :::Here it is:Gazette nationale ou le Moniteur universel, 11 octobre 1793,p 3
* You added:  I did not know Hodges was regarded as unreliable but what became clear to me he used Palmer as a source. Palmer is the one which should be mentioned. His book is not online, if I remember well. 
* On 3 December Robespierre accused Danton in the Jacobin Club of feigning an illness to emigrate to Switzerland.Gazette nationale ou le Moniteur universel, 6 décembre 1793, p. 1 Again this comes from Retronews, and Le Moniteur Universel on 4 or 5 6 December 1793. Because I had a subscription I was able to download the text, use search, etc. We could blame the contributor who added . I was quite content when I found these striking details about Cambon and Danton in the Moniteur as nobody had used them before. Later I learned to add the exact date and pagenumber and did not add/forgot about making a link. The policy of Retronews may have changed and I am not a subscriber anymore but you could ask Wikipedia to pay for a subscription. It is a useful source. Perhaps I downloaded these editions, I will check. I will not do this everyday. I have many other problems to solve. It is okay, I cannot work on Wikipedia. It would be nice to find a French-Canadian who could add sources in French. The Wikipedia will be poor without French sources.Taksen (talk) 09:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ok thanks. It’s still not clear why Augustin was expected to marry her before refusing but maybe that will become clear as I read further. Mccapra (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree but it’s the kind of detail we don’t out into the lead section. Mccapra (talk) 20:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I know your opinion about the lead but could move these two sentences to the section Arrest? Taksen (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They’re not needed because the information is already there in the existing text. Mccapra (talk) 05:49, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text:   Robespierre:Oeuvres complètes and Robespierre 1958, p. 543, in Tome IX, Discours. WP:RS, etc? Very strange, in your opinion it is not possible to use the Memories by Churchill, etc. because he wrote it himself?: 
*:Removing opinionated and flowery prose is pretty standard in Wikipedia. An encyclopedic tone is about efficiency, less generally gets the point across better than more. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Remarks on changes by CherryPigeon