Talk:Prime Minister of Belgium

message: Are the abbreviations really necessary? I mean most people know e.g. Verhofstadt as Guy Verhofstadt, not as G.M.M.L. Verhofstadt. The same applies for most other PM's. Sijo Ripa 13:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. --Ganchelkas 13:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Abbreviations

message: Reading the English, French and Dutch wikipedias, I've seen that there's a lot of conflicting names among the earliest prime ministers (leaders of government) listed.
This article currently lists:
* Albert Goblet d'Alviella: 26 February 1831 - 23 March 1831
* Etienne de Sauvage: 23 March 1831 - 21 July 1831
* Félix de Muelenaere: 24 July 1831 - 17 September 1832
* Charles Rogier: 20 October 1832 - 4 August 1834
* Barthélémy de Theux de Meylandt: 4 August 1834 - 18 April 1840
* Joseph Lebeau (2nd time): 18 April 1840 - 13 April 1841 (and what about the 1st time?)
The article on the Dutch wikipedia says the same thing.
The article on the French wikipedia disagrees quite significantly:
* Étienne de Gerlache: 26 février 1831 - 4 mars 1831
* Joseph Lebeau: 28 mars 1831 - 21 juillet 1831
* Félix de Muelenaere: 24 juillet 1831 - 20 octobre 1832
* Albert Goblet d'Alviella: 20 octobre 1832 - 4 août 1834
* Barthélémy de Theux de Meylandt: 4 août 1834 - 18 avril 1840
* Joseph Lebeau (2e fois): 18 avril 1840 - 13 avril 1841
The "succession box" templates on the pages of the various individuals (on the English wikipedia) suggest the following:
* Etienne Constantin de Gerlache 1831
* Joseph Lebeau 1831
* Felix de Muelenaere 1831-1832
* Albert Joseph Goblet d'Alviella 1832-1834
* Barthélémy de Theux de Meylandt 1834-1840
* Joseph Lebeau 1840-1841
which seems to agree with the French wikipedia's list... but not with the actual text on these same pages (and not as indicated above, with the list page).
A few examples from the articles about the individuals themselves:
In the text, the article for Joseph Lebeau doesn't even mention him as the prime minister, but does say he was the "minister of foreign affairs in March 1831 during the interim regency of Érasme-Louis Surlet de Chokier"
The text for Charles Rogier says "he was Cabinet Chief of Belgium on three separate occasions first from 1832 to 1834...", while the text for Albert Joseph Goblet d'Alviella says "In the newly independent Belgium he became Minister for Foreign Affairs between 1831 and 1834." without mentioning being prime minister.
The Dutch wikipedia article for :nl:Etienne de Sauvage says he was prime minister during 1831; the French article :fr:Étienne de Sauvage sort of disagrees... but he hasn't even merited an article on the English wikipedia so far, apparently...
From a few external links I find:
http://www.premier.fgov.be/nl/biografie/yves-leterme lists:
* (Regency of Surlet de Chokier)
* Félix de Muelenaere
* Charles Rogier
* Barthélémy de Theux de Meylandt
* Joseph Lebeau
http://www.famousbelgians.net/politicians.htm lists:
* Albert Joseph, Count Goblet d'Alviella, Etienne Noel Joseph, Count de Sauvage (1831)
* Felix Amand de Muelenare (1831-1832)
* Albert Joseph, Count Goblet d'Alviella, Joseph Lebeau, Charles Latour Rogier (1832-1834)
* Bartholemy Theodore de Theux (1834-1840)
* Joseph Lebeau (1840-1841)
I don't really understand what this one means when it seems to be listing lots of people on the same line. But it does seem to cover most of the possibilities covered above, in addition to adding Joseph Lebeau in somewhere between de Muelenare and de Theux, which nothing on the wikipedias seems to have mentioned.
I understand that the office of prime minister may not have existed in the same way at this period, but nevertheless can we not find some valid sources for determining consistent statements for each Kabinetsleider / Chef du Cabinet? --David Edgar (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusion over the earliest Prime Ministers

message: Belgian kings play a minor role in politics - at least since WW II. It just doesn't make sense to chop the list in pieces, based on their reign. 193.190.253.146 (talk) 21:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this list split on kings?

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