Talk:Looted art

message: I edited the looted art article and added many references before i came across looting. I propose a rewriting/merger of both articles as they both cover the same area. While looting provides a better introduction, the looted art article has gathered many examples, references, and sources that might be useful. Any comments? Please continue the discussion here: Talk:looting. Thank you. Okinawasan 21:27, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems reasonable. Both of the articles are in poor shape, at the very least we can concentrate our attention on one instead of two. That said, although it is not clear from present articles, it makes sense to have looted art as a separate subarticle, as looting concerns looting of non-art valuables, for example - industrial machinery, valuable materials (ex. gold, precious stones) or simple coinage.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:38, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree this article is in poor shape, and I'm in favor of merging this article entirely into art theft, which I think has a great general outline that prevents finger-pointing and lists Famous cases of art theft, be it by individuals, groups, or states. Looting and War loot have many examples that should be merged into Art theft, as well. Both might have a summary section or at least link back for now. (See related discussions at Nazi plunder, War loot, and Looting) Ruodyssey (talk) 12:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

text: On this proposed merger I disagree as the article is already about twice as big as suggested by WP:SIZE.  Rather WP:SUMMARY style should be applied to make it much smaller, and then it should merge into the much smaller (and poorer) War loot.  Jim.henderson (talk) 05:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of [[Looting]] and [[Looted art]] 

message: If you have some time feel free to go through the articles of Archaeology (magazine), especially the ones focused on looting:http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.archaeology.org+looting ... There are 160 articles :) 
or the FBI http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Awww.fbi.gov%2F+looting , for instance:
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/july971.htm 
or the State Department: http://exchanges.state.gov/culprop/99recent.htmlOkinawasan 17:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential sources 

message: Priam's treasure is not "hidden" from anyone; it has been openly displayed for years. Besides, it is most likely a forgery of very limited value. If it has anything to do with looting, it's the story of how it was smuggled out of Turkey by Schliemann himself. --Ghirla-трёп- 17:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Priam's Treasure was not "looted from Troy" by Schliemann. Rather, he was the acheaologist who discovered the treasure at Troy. He took the treasure illegaly from Turkey to Germany but later on reached an agreement, paid a financial compensation to the Turkish authorities and returned some pieces which are now on display in the Ankara National Museum. If Schliemann's acting is to be called "looting" nearly all the exhibition samples at large European Museums (British Museum, Louvre, ...) have been "looted". I changed the text in the article.  --Furfur (talk) 10:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Priam's Treasure]] 

message: The painting was looted by the Soviets and later given back to the East Germans, as stated clearly in the properly tagged source - please refrain from deleting the edits of other editors especially when they are sourced and referenced. The edits of Ghirlandajo appear to have a history of unreferenced statements violating the NPOV standards. Recent additions include the picture of the Amber Room which he uploaded with the comment: "(Amber Room before the WWII )" - he still edited the image with the misleading description: "Amber Room, as reassembled by the Germans in the Königsberg Castle during the WWII" to several articles. Other articles, including articles detailing the destruction of many Russian churches and museums were not sourced, citation tags were deleted with the words "rmv pestering" - a clear violation of wikipedias "assume good face" and "be polite" rules. The editor is involved in several other NPOV disputes, I will therefore add the -sourced- information about the Soviet looting of the Sistine Madonna back into the article. A sidenote: I will be happy to add more information about the German looting of Eastern Europe but I believe that we should rely on reliable sources. Rightwing, antisemitic sources as used to by editor Ghirlandajo in a cited interview (in Russian) should at least be properly marked. Thank you - and be civil ... Okinawasan 12:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another note, editor Ghirlandajo (after adding unreferenced statements, insulting other editors and deleting referenced statements from other editors) added the NPOV tag but failed to participate on the talk page. The NPOV guidelines do not support such "Drive-by tagging" - they guidelines clearly ask the editors to address "the issues on the talk page, pointing to specific issues that are actionable within the content policies".Okinawasan 12:51, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sistine Madonna 

message: Speaking of "Drive-by tagging": it's funny, just after a German like me makes edits, two Polish editors who had never edited here before feel the need to share their view: User:Piotrus  and User:Molobo, without providing much content. -- Matthead  DisOuß   08:12, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland and Germany 

message: Shouldn't this be looting of art?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:43, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: This article doesn't mention looting (and destruction) of the Old Summer Palace by British and French forces at the end of the Second Opium War. --Tesscass (talk) 20:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: As is far too often the case with articles dealing with WWII and the ramifications for Germany, Poland, Russia, and the Slavic countries in general, this article presents a shamelessly biased rendition of history.  The article explicitly states that the art taken from Germany, in this case by Soviet forces, was almost entirely art that Nazis had previously stolen from other places and people in Europe.  This is nothing short of a blatant fabrication and deliberate misrepresentation.  Under both German and international law, any such art would go to the institutions or heirs of the individuals from which they were taken.  To state otherwise is irresponsible at best and goes beyond POV and well into the realm of petty propaganda.  The implication that the modern German government and German museums, all institutions that are well-respected internationally, would in this day request restitution of stolen art is nothing short of defamation, based on the passionate, personally-held disdain of the authors.   It is also unreasonable to think that the nation of Russia would agree to such restitution based on such claims (the subsequent nationalistic actions of the Duma to rescind said treaties and agreements notwithstanding). As I see from the edits and comments on this talk page, the same few militant nationalist editors behind this are the same who push their POV on all articles related to this general subject.  It is unfortunate because efforts to obfuscate facts lead neither to greater understanding nor wisdom.Udibi (talk) 20:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatant POV in section on Germany 

message: The Archive includes manuscripts and student report cards.
Relevant links:
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2013/nr13-96.html
http://www.archives.gov/press/press-kits/iraqi-jewish-archive/images.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/stolen-treasures-iraqi-jewish-community/
Nov 2013 http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/11/07/242172553/who-owns-the-archives-of-a-vanishing-iraqi-jewish-world includes video testimony
controversy about ownership may be more interesting than the archives themselves
May 2014 http://www.iraqiembassy.us/article/statement-on-extension-of-iraqi-jewish-archive-exhibit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/29/AR2010042904584.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/dec/02/world/la-fg-iraq-artifacts-20131202  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichelleInSanMarcos (talk • contribs) 11:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Iraqi Jewish Archive art or artifacts or neither? 

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message: ‘Tombarolo’ is an Italian term (plural ‘tombaroli’), derived from the Italian word ‘tomba’, meaning tomb or grave.
It refers primarily to ‘tomb-robbers’ operating in Italy (Mackenzie and Green 2009: 3)
https://traffickingculture.org/encyclopedia/terminology/tombarolo/
I am going to correct the wrong term in the italian section of the article, then.
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thread_title:  Tombaroli, not Tombolari 

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message: I noticed that the Looted Art article did not go into much detail about the looting of Africa. I believe the article would improve by including this as the looting of African Art was such a prominent trope of imperialism. A section about the looting of Africa would be beneficial, going into detail on some of these stolen artifacts. A focus on the Benin Bronzes, one of the biggest examples of looted African art, would go a long way. In addition to a new section, the section titled 'Looting by the British Empire' could be expanded upon by including these details. See "One Hundred Years of Looting of Nigerian Art Treasures" for more. reference"https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/artniqul3&div=38&id=&page=
3dozie.a (talk) 17:27, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looting of Africa 

message: Hi everyone! I noticed there isn't a section for Indonesian looted artworks, so I have decided to add a small section regarding the topic. It won't be exhaustive or long. Considering the long history of colonialism the Dutch have in Indonesia, as well as the significant number of looted Indonesian cultural objects distributed across European museums, I thought it would be a beneficial section to add! If there are anything missing, or corrections, please feel free to edit them or message me! Thank you!--CarmenBanks (talk) 09:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a new looted art section (this time from Indonesia) 

message: Is known qualified estimation , how many objects are still missing ?
For example , database lootedart.com ( 1933 - 1945 ) contains 8521 objects.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.34.227.15 (talk) 18:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much ? 

message: The entirety of North and South America - Canada, the United States, Brazil, and so on - as well as Australia, New Zealand, and most of Russia are looted countries, literally stolen from the previous inhabitants. Every building, every art work on and in the land was stolen. Every ounce of soil, every drop of oil, every mineral, every plant, every tree, every animal, was stolen and is still exploited. No one cares. Burraron (talk) 20:39, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looted countries