Talk:Aleksandra Ekster

message: so that we could discuss it.
:",  and one of the founders of Art Deco. "
After searching far and wide and looking at as much of her work as possible, I've been unable to find verification of this claim.  I don't mind being wrong if someone can substantiate this claim. Carptrash (talk) 14:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I moved this phrase here 

message: Note: Since I don't think you've added all of your edits yet, I'm just going to review the article as a whole rather than just your edits. Here are a few places where the article is lacking:
*Firstly, this article is seriously lacking citations. There are whole sections that don't contain any citations, which is pretty problematic and makes the information within the article seem illegitimate. 
*Because of the layout/formatting, it seems as if everything falls under the "Biography" heading. This heading could be replaced with Personal Life (or something of that nature) with Childhood, Marriage, and Emigration underneath it. As we have learned in class, the artist's personal life isn't always directly reflected in their artwork, so I think it should be separated from her professional life as an artist. With that being said, I would add a "Career" heading with information about her as an artist, which is the rest of the article (that is currently separated into various cities that seem to have influenced her.)
*As far as the city headings go, I wouldn't necessarily organize an article in this fashion, but if the cities really had profound influences on her artwork or career, then maybe it is the best way. I don't know enough about Exter to really comment one way or another. A "Style" heading would be particularly useful, however - the article states that she was involved in several movements, but I am still left wondering what her particular style was really like. If she was highly influenced by different artistic styles, this may be a better way to structure the layout.
*The Paris heading in particular is really disjointed. I'm not sure that all of the information under this heading is necessary, especially the rather lengthy quote toward the end. Quotes should generally be avoided. 
*There are a couple issues with neutrality - ("Aleksandra received an excellent private education," calling her "elite" at several places in the article). Without citations to legitimize these claims, they are simply just claims.
I'm sure you already have an editing plan in place, but these are just some things I noticed. Frankiefillis (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review

message: I am uncertain of what edits you intend to make and I am unsure of what edits have already been made. 
First off there are references but no citations. So it seems as if there are references to use for the page, someone just needs to go through the page and cite where the references talk about this specific aspect.
Secondly, there is a lot of great information about her, but it all falls under one sub header which is a bit weird for a wikipedia page. I would try to make another sub header to make the article seem more thorough
There are three images, which is a good amount for how small length of the article. If there is a lot more information to be added, I would think about adding another image or two. 
The writing to me seems pretty well-written.
I think the most crucial issue is added citations, to legitimize the source
Frankie comments about calling her her "elite". I am not sure if that is an issue, I do not see that word as not neutral. Unless one thinks "Upper Class" has a more neutral connotation.
I delayed commenting until the edits were made, but I am sure they will be there soon!
Jengoldberg315 (talk) 04:22, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Second Peer Review

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replies: text: the file had been changed with reference to the source. photo from before 1915, exact date not found Vihola (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
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message: The identification of Aleksandra Ekster as Russian is faulty, though the admins continue to reverting the edit from Ukrainian to Russian, without any considerations. There are several ways to identify attribution of an artist from the past, which work when used in combination, taking into account the context of artist's life & work
1) official documents where nationality is stated
2) artist identified herself/himself as certain nationality
3) family ethnicity
2) geographical territory where the artist lived
In case of Aleksandra Ekster, there are no official documents with nationality stated that are publicly avaialble, there are no known sources where Ekster would self-identify as any nationality. 
Her parents are of Belarusian/Greek origin. At the same time, she lived 35 years in the territory of Ukraine, and was highly attached to Ukrainian folk art, displaying the pieces of folk-art in her appartment even after immigration to France, which might (might not) mean identification with the culture. She had then spent 25 years in France. The periods of life spent in Russia were limited. Why is she considered Russian? The suggestion, thus, is to identify as Ukrainian, given the time of life in Ukraine and close ties with Ukrainian cultural context (folk art that was used an inspiration, creative class that was gathered around her in Kyiv at the time). Vihola (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You are clearly confusing nationality with ethnicity. Ymblanter (talk) 12:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would challenge the word 'clearly' in your reply. You are right, nationality and ethnicity are different things, though often interchangeable in practice. Some of the criteria that I have outlined above are applied to nationality, some to ethnicity, but thats not necessarily the essence of the question. Most of the articles while describing an artist, attribute her/him to a certain nationality and ethnicity. So would appreciate opinions of what is the right one for Aleksandra Ekster. Vihola (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I see now that you are not extended-confirmed. The community introduced general sanctions, which, in particular, does not allow non-extended-confirmed users to edit contentious topics related to Russia-Ukraine relations. For this reason, I will not continue this discussion. If you survive on the English Wikipedia to the autoconfirmed status, please come back to discuss the issue. Ymblanter (talk) 18:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there more emotionally mature people here, who can actually contribute on the topic, and not attack or change the subject. Would be interested in hearing opinions of other contributors who might have had similar question related to the artists from 19th-20th century in what was then russian empire. Thanks! Vihola (talk) 23:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

text: What about a similar situation: Irish painters from XIX? In Wikipedia they are Irish, not British Smirnoff80 (talk) 08:05, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Would we ever have a user with more than a hundred edits interested in this question? Are you all here because of some social media campaign again? Ymblanter (talk) 17:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality attribution