Talk:Aris Velouchiotis

message: Who is C.M. Woodhouse, what right does he have to remark about Aris ? Any quote can be matched be a counter quote. Please remove this one. My family was decimated be the fascists.  Aris was a symbols of our hope for freedom. I still cry when I think of what they did to this man.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.130.75 (talk) 03:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "I don't like this cited historical view, expunge it!". Pretty typical response of your run of the mill communist bigot. Their "fight for freedom" was, in fact, a fight to fill Greece with gulags and concentration camps for the "reactionaries" (ie anyone who didn't tow the communist party line). Make no mistake, these red-fascists were no Spanish republicans nor leftist democrats ; nothing could be farther from that. In any case I can't be bothered giving more weight to the Aris-lover's tirade, as it is part and parcel Stalinist rhetoric. Cry all you like, but fanatical Stalin-worshippers' censorship will not take precedence over historians' views. 79.107.248.142 (talk) 17:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is Woodhouse's point of view at all impartial? The KKE fought the Nazis while the Brits enabled, empowered and armed the Nazi collaborators (after WW2). Of course Woodhouse would say such a thing!
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I'm sorry, but any moron who looks at the evidence, such as British Foreign Office reports, or ELAS records, or German records, knows that ELAS fought and fought and fought the Germans.  And anyone who claims that it was they who attacked EDES in October 1943, rather than the other way round is either very stupid or ... lying their heads off.  
At Meligalas Ares was far too soft.  The battalionists executed all their hostages - if this was in view of ELAS, Aris should have topped the lot of them.  Instead he took them as prisoners to Kalamata, where no doubt they were released by the gendarmerie. (All described in F.O. docs.)  
I know you far-right Greeks think we are really thick and will continue to swallow all your lies, but eventually even the stupidest West European will realise that there there is something odd about supporting collaborators and their descendents (maybe the further release of official papers will contribute to our I.Q. points ...).  Bougatsa42 (talk) 06:46, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Typical British View 

message: This is a well written and neutral article, please do not change it and cause disputes. I made only one minor change: The circumstances of his death remain unclear. I have no evidence that he commited suicide. I hope you permit me to state that.
Thanks
I agree with your sentiments. In its current form (24th May 2006), this a very balanced article, presenting both views on Velouchiotis's life and actions without degenerating into partisanship. Integrating the Greek Civil War at large into the article, would only serve to turn it into the POV edit war that the afformentioned entry has become. A strong keep for the article in its current form on my part. 85.196.4.183 22:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attention

message: Is there anything that could be mentioned on the talk he gave in Lamia?  I have heard about it but have not found a transcript, or a video (in case any existed).Elikarag (talk) 17:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lamia talk 

message: He was an arvanite (aka albanian). You mention his souliote (christian albanian) origin. Could this be the power behind his views that Greece's border should be in Lamia?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.73.252.43 (talk) 17:07, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why Bougatsa42? Do you have something against the Arvanites and the Chams? They are ethnic Albanians and they are proud of it!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.190.17.35 (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about his albanian origin ? 

message: Below follows some of the worst crud I have ever seen on wikipedia:
If we consider Aris as a historic figure, we have to mention facts about his sexuality. Aris was homosexual and sadist (after been raped when was young) and there are also witness reporting him as a pedophile. Moreover, it would be wise to mention the dispute regarding his real motives about the war, which might be the gathering of wealth (through stealing from people living in the ELAS occupied areas) rather the resistance.  
Reference: 
- UK Army Military Report Document: HS9/1524/3-Job No 247314 ο Captain E. N. Barker M.C. 307 Coy, RASC
- United Nations (Court of War Crimes) document: SECRET VELOUCHIOTIS, Ares, - 22666/A (revealed 2005)
- Book: We fell among Greeks by Captain Denys Hamson, 1957
- S.O.E. Report by Captain Donald Hamilton Hill, 1944 
- New Zealand Officer William Jordan in his book "The Truth about Greece"
- Germanos Demakos (nom de guerre pater Anypomonos), communist co-fighter and comrade of Aris, in his memoirs book, p. 364-369 (2004 edition) 
- Special Operations Mediterranean (Force 133), Dec 1944. The VELOUCHIOTIS file   
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.176.22.178 (talk) 23:11, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: I am finding it very difficult to keep misspelling the name Ares, so I have gone back and changed my usage to be always Ares.  If I am still inconsistent I apologise.  
The name of the Greek God of War in English usage has always, always been spelled Ares, look in any English book on mythology. (The second vowel is an eta, which has suffered from ioticism like many Greek vowels and diphthongs but was originally was close to an /e/ sound.)  We know that Ares based his name on Ares the God, and both English and Greek sound the same, so why change the spelling in English?  The title of Charitopoulos's book looks terrible to the native English eye.  Like changing Aphrodite to Afrodite. Whenever someone does the much needed reedit to this page, they might like to consider changing the name back to the English norm. Bougatsa42 (talk) 19:53, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling Ares/Aris

message: I have changed the spelling of Ares to 1) make it the same as Greek God of War as spelled in English, and 2) fit the norm in the native English-speaking world - examples to hand include Mary Stewart, Louis de Bernieres, David Close, Chris Woodhouse, but I am sure I can find more. Obviously there are people who spell it the other way, but this spellling is driven by native Greek speakers, who are simply ignorant of the correct English spelling.
I have already flagged this above and got no response. If the change upsets anyone, perhaps they should try editing Ares to Aris on the Classical pages (dominated by native English speakers) and see the reaction! Bougatsa42 (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change

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