Talk:Toyota Land Cruiser

message: I just ran across this at the Times.  It's probably registration-required, but it's probably also worth it, too. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/14/automobiles/14CARS.html?8dt&oref=login --Milkmandan 05:56, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC)
:Can you give us an idea what was in the article please? Login links are not particularly useful in Wikipedia, even in the talk pages --Spiggot 20:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Early 2005 - Toyota exhibits the "FJ Cruiser" as a 2007 model to debut in 2006. It features bodywork reminiscent of the classic FJ40 but is based on a pickup frame and has a modern V6 engine.  - This is based on old information, the FJ Cruiser is not based on the Tacoma frame as earlier thought, but actually based on the Prado/4Runner boxed frame for better stiffness over the Tacoma's C frame.  I'm updating this with a link to the Toyota FJ Cruiser site. -- Lost Cosmonaut 22:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: any chance FJ going to be reintrouduced? Westerosi456H (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a question for a WP:CRYSTALBALL, not an encyclopaedia.  Stepho  talk  00:03, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  FJ Cruiser 

message: I have some information regarding Toyota SUVs and trucks built in USA and maybe Indonesia (possibly Thailand as well but at this time I do not think so). I posted it as an update on the Toyota Land Cruiser article. I probably rushed to fast and I received feedback from some users regarding this. I probably should have looked for solid references (as was advised in the feedback). I do believe that at least some of the main points in my edit are fact and I do admit that some of it contains future speculation as well.
I invite all interested users to debate my proposed edit on these discussion pages to determine what parts of my edit (if any) should be posted on the official article.  The information that is in my proposed post are things that potential customers of these products deserve to know.
Here is a draft of my proposed edit (that was posted on the Land Cruiser article as well as some other articles relating to Toyota SUVs and Trucks and then removed pending online debate):
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Toyota SUV’s and trucks (built in USA and Indonesia as well) including the Land Cruiser and 4Runner as well as others are used by Osama Bin Laden’s illegal Al Qaeda terrorist army and their Taliban partners. In the United States this is becoming controversial because Americans who buy these vehicles can be seen as extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy. As a result, these products might get vandalized in many different ways including spray paint, scratching, damaging lights, windows, etc. This will probably cause insurance premiums to increase in significant ways making these vehicles much more expensive to own and drive. Passions will most likely increase later in 2006 as the 5th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks approaches. There are also 2 movies about 9/11 that are planned for release in theaters in 2006.  After this time the possibility of these vehicles being vandalized might increase (especially ones built after the 2006 model year) as their American owners might be viewed as being extremely unpatriotic and honoring the enemy of America and showing absolutely no respect for America. If this results in big insurance rate increases, the owners of these vehicles will be spending a lot more money to own and drive them.
(End of proposed draft edit)
As mentioned in this article I have information regarding these vehicles being used by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban on the battlefield in the same way that the Jeep was used by America and its allies against Nazi Germany in World War 2. I have watched several news reports on news networks such as CNN, BBC, CBS, NBC, as well as others regarding Al-Qaeda and I have spotted these vehicles on these news reports many times (especially as the war on terror was first starting) including the Toyota Land Cruiser. Land Cruisers are easy to recognize. And I also saw what appear to be Toyota markings on many of these vehicles.
I believe that this is something that people (especially potential customers for these vehicles) should know. I invite all interested users to join this debate and share any information you all might have.
:What are you talking about? If you read this article, it says that the Land Cruiser is usually the "vehicle of choice" for terrorism. Besides, your proposed edit sounds good. Sorry, But it's the fact--ApolloBoy 00:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here here.  Basically similar to my argument about adding this to the Toyota FJ Cruiser article.  Lost Cosmonaut 03:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some people have great ideas. What if all American patriots sell their Toyota SUV ? The cars in excess on the second-hand market will find their to third world countries were they could be buyed by anyone including terrorists. Ericd 03:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  about a proposed edit to this article regarding Toyota Land Cruiser as well as other Toyota SUV's and trucks 

message: I don't think that is of any quality at all and should not be added to any article. Anytime you use a word such as "might" and "probably" multiple times it is not good quality. Also, I work at a Toyota dealership (specifically the second largest Toyota specialty SUV center in the United States) and I have not heard a word about this supposed vandalism or possibility of it.TheOssman 03:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That has no place in any encyclopedia article 

message: This article seems to be opinion driven rather than based on factual citation. 
"The Land Cruiser is widely used around the world in areas which require durability, reliability and off road performance. The Land Cruiser along with the Hilux pickup truck is symbolic of Toyota's legendary toughness and both trucks are used around the world in grueling terrains and climates with poor roads for many many years before they are no longer usable." - Sounds more like a poorly iterated advertisement for the brand than an encyclopedia article.
It talks of the 'Prado' as being a version of a landcruiser (which it is by branding only; "Landcruiser Prado"), when technically it is an entirely different vehicle. Needs a drastic clean up...
:So why not clean it up? I just took a stab at it myself. 
:Also, please sign your posts. All you have to do is add ~~~~ at the end. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Quality... 

message: Is there a particular reason why the 100 and 200 series Land Cruisers are labeled as "Station Wagons" in the right-hand-side information panels? The photos shown are both SUVs, not station wagons. Even the information panel lists "4-door SUV" as the body style. I didn't edit the labels because I don't know much about Land Cruisers, so perhaps I'm missing something and the 100/200 series do come as station wagons. Perhaps someone who knows more about this vehicle can make the proper edits if they are indeed necessary.
--71.105.217.189 (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  8th and 9th Generation Land Cruiser 

message: some Genius put Tommy Doom as the actual person! Great!. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by an unidentified user.
:Fixed. user at IP address 61.247.42.101 is Brilliant -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tommy Doom

message: This article, since it is the US article, should have more info on the actual 2007 Toyota Land Cruiser that an actual person can go down and buy. All the stuff on the current Land Cruiser is a blurb and it needs more info about the US-spec version.Something14 19:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two points. 1. This is US article and it is the English article and not objective.  2. This encyclopedia article is probably  the place for up-to-date product information. There are other websites that already do that, including the manufacturer's site and consumer sites. This is the fact. And I like it, a sales brochure advertising. -- Rob C (Alarob) 15:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs fixing 

message: Shouldn't the Prado be merged with the Lexus GX article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.210.64 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Lexus GX is Prado based but not the same. BTW the FJ cruiser was also Prado based although much more loosely as it used a completely unique body on a shorter frame. Also the Prado wasn't sold in north America the Lexus GX and FJ cruiser were but only with the gas power plants. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.113.200.87 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Land Cruiser "Prado"

message: Most generation numbers second, third, forth... and some quoted years do not match from text to the infoboxes. I would change it but I don't know which is correct. Carlwev 17:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Text and infoboxes don't match

message: It seems someone "cleaned up" by removing all information about the 2000-2007 models. If anyone doesn't mind, I'm going to put it back (as the article jumps generations because of it). Any objections? -- TheSlyFox 09:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the 2000 model? - Cleanup 

message: The bulk of the page is organized by series, but the later info entries are organized by year.  So, for example, info about recent 70 series models is found under the 80, 100, and 200 series sections.  I'm going to do what little reorganizing I can. Danny Reese (talk) 19:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. It is much better now. Stepho-wrs (talk) 02:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Need to get rid of the current Toyota Land Cruiser president.  He is a terrible leaderChuckManson (talk) 20:53, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you mean and how it is related to the clean up. Could you rephrase it please? Stepho-wrs (talk) 23:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small clean-up attempt, 7 June 2008 

message: Who on earth wrote this article?  They left out so many engine options.  I have already fixed it up, but the 100 Series for instance was offered with a 4.5L 6-cylinder petrol engine, two 4.2L 6-cylinder diesels (one naturally aspirated, the other turbo), and a 3.0L 4-cylinder turbodiesel.  The 80 Series was also offered initially with a 4.0L 6-cylinder, before being replaced with the 4.5L.Davez621 (talk) 01:55, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the 200 series engine 4.7 2UZ-FE has been superseded by the 4.6 liter 1UR-FEKongkit (talk) 00:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added the 1UR-FE engine. Stepho-wrs (talk) 03:25, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engine info for 80 & 100 series is MAJORLY lacking 

message: For a more complete history of the FJ40 in the United States, see 'The History of the Land Cruiser' by Josh Boltrek at www.tlca.org
This isn't quite linkspam, but shouldn't it be at the bottom of the article or something? Peaceduck (talk) 23:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right. It should be either a direct reference or an external reference, not part of the text. Besides, I went looking for it at TLCA and couldn't find it.  Stepho  (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkspam? 

message: I have rewritten the 100-series section, adding details and engines. I may have left some regions out of the availability table, so feel free to contribute if there are additional models left out, or a model is available in your region but not listed as such. I'll have a go at redoing some of the other sections in the same format (Details, variants, problems, awards, gallery) when I get a chance. Check my wiki commons page for more photos of 45, 55, 70 and 80 series if anyone wants to add them to the model galleries.
I removed some info from the 100 series section that related to the 120 series (AKA Prado). This vehicle will need it's own section.--Cruiser-Aust 03:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Redoing sections

message: In my opinion the 60 series section is just plain wrong. Firstly it says it was available for sale from 1981. Maybe this was true for some markets, but not for all. It was available from 1980. 
The 5 to 7 seating is also incorrect. Again, perhaps for some markets, but not for all. I have seen 8 seaters.
Who exactly says it is well known for it 4x4 capabilities? 
And finally, the writer implies the FJ Cruiser got it's head light styling from the 60 series, when in fact it got it's styling from the 40 series. 
Vince (talk) 01:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 'plain wrong' is a bit of an overstatement for some minor errors but I have addressed some of them anyway. 1981 was probably put in by a US editor (the 1981 US model year actually started in mid 1980 - just to confuse non US readers). Other parts of the article said 1980-1990, so I've edited the article to make it consistent with that. All generations of the Land Cruiser are well known for their off-road capabilites, so I haven't removed that but I've put in a 'citation needed' for completeness. I did the remove the mention of the FJ Cruiser because it didn't seem relevant. Do you have a reference for the eight seater version?  Stepho  talk  04:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, only now do I check back with this page. 'plain wrong' was indeed a bit strong, my apologies. I'm afraid I have no reference for the 8 seats, though I have seen plenty on Ebay. The Owner's Manual does mention the possibility of 3rd row seats (with regards to tyre pressure), but that does not imply 8 seats. The following configurations are possible: 2+3, 3+3, 2+3+2, 3+3+2 and even 3+3+3. So that's 9 even. (though 9 strikes me as an after market configuration) But again, no proof. Vince (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've got some info from a Toyota sales brochure. The seating capacity is actually 3-10. You've got 3, 5, 6, 8, 9 and 10. 10 is 3 up front, 3 in the middle and 4 in the back on troopy style seats. I think the 10 seater is more of a Middle East spec. Sales brochure circa late 80s, Toyota Motor Corporation, J-E 8711, Printed in Japan, No. 21. Vince (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 60 series section

message: I just read the 200 series section, and it needs a bit of cleaning up in my opinion. 
#Who for example are the 'time honored Landcruiser supporters'? 
#And how do we know they 'welcomed' anything? 
#Who gave the 'some criticism'? 
#Who says it can 'run with a Range Rover', thereby also implying the Range Rover is the benchmark against which other 4x4s are compared? 
I think it should stick to facts: what is it, and what are it's specs, and how is it different from previous Landcruisers. My recommendation: scrap most of that section.
Vince (talk) 00:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, there's a bit of fan cruft in there. I'll clean out the worst of it. It also has an Australian bias to it but since I'm Australian, someone else will have to provide info from other countries.  Stepho  talk  03:59, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  200 series 

message: There's an Ebay aution for what is claimed (no proof given) for the first FJ28 in Australia, from the first batch of evaluation Land Cruisers brought into the country.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130920604563  Stepho  talk  10:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebay auction for first FJ28 in Australia 

message: In a global encyclopaedia article on a Japanese vehicle it seems strange to have a sales figures table listing only US sales. Should this section be moved to the talk page until someone can come up with a more comprehensive table of figures? This site reports a range of relevant figures.     Djapa Owen (talk) 17:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that it should show more than one country. Disagree that it should be hidden. It was originally added in Jan 2009 with the section title 'US sales' and columns for year and sales - ie only US sales were possible. I changed it so that US sales are just one possible column and other editors could add more columns as data was found. Sadly nobody added any more countries but the possibility is still open.  Stepho  talk  22:04, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Remove it.  It may have been put there to imply that the vehicle is 'unpopular' and therefore inadequate.  Certainly it gives a completely incorrect impression of the popularity (and adequacy) of the vehicle.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.18.3.246 (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures 

message: Yesterday IP 122.107.229.187 deleted the detailed description of the enhancements of the Marlin model, replacing it with "luxury interior", and today User:Stepho-wrs reverted that change. I suspect that the Marlin model deserves  less space, somewhere between the two edits. What do people think?     Djapa Owen (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it is a bit long for a vehicle that is not overly famous. The engine and drive-line is standard, so we could knock that back to simply having the 4.5 L 1FZ-FE engine. The extras list could be pared down a bit but most of the items were important: "Some of the features that the Blue Marlin included were altimeters, power windows, disk brakes, leather gear knob and steering wheel, central locking, leather trim, chrome handles and sidesteps, 16" alloy wheels, limited-slip differential, anti-lock brakes (ABS), power steering, CD and cassette players, flares, and a limited edition bull bar." Either that or simply say it had the full luxury interior and all mechanical options but that's kind of vague.  Stepho  talk  04:32, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marlin specifications 

message: This page still needs a lot of work. 
–Facts: 60 series in production till 1989? That is incorrect, it was in production till 1990, as can be seen by many 60s built in that year. 
Also, the 80 series: 1HDT engine stats are 115kw@3600rpm and 357nm@1800rpm yet for the 100 series the same engine is 123kw@3600rpm and 352nm@2000rpm. So from the 80 to the 100 the power went up, and the torque went down and at a higher rpm, for the same engine? Same for the 1HZ, slightly different stats in the 80 vs the 100. I suppose it is possible, but are these stats correct?
Also, 80 series availability: 80 diesels only in Australia? Nonsense, they were sold in Europe too, and I'm sure elsewhere too.
-Consistency: 50 and 60 series get a very brief section, with few pertinent facts. Yet the 100 and 200 get lots of details. And are written differently. From 20 to 70 it is just a series of chronological steps about production numbers and when cars were released or discontinued or when a certain engine came available. But the 100 and 200 get a much better written bit of text. Vince (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts and consistency

message: Readers and editors of Wikipedia need to keep a cynical view to the fact that material about things like vehicles are targets of organised and less-organised touts.  People may have amended the content in ways which enhance or detract from the perceived merits of the things described or mentioned on the page, or things which are related, or unrelated things also.
SHILLS BE GONE.  GO.  GO SHILLS, LEAVE.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.18.3.246 (talk) 10:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shills-be-gone 

message: File:Toyota_Land_Cruiser_ZX_(URJ202W)_Interior_2015_4201.jpg | 2015 (Stepho-wrs suggestion)
File:Lc200interior.jpg | 2007 (Stepho-wrs suggestion)
File:2012 Toyota Land Cruiser (URJ202R) Sahara wagon (2012-10-26) 03.jpg | 2007 (OSX suggestion)
Which do people think is better? To me the top (first) photo is a bit dark but otherwise it is quite easy to see what is what. But in the second photo everything is jarring and I struggled to see if the brown arc in the top middle was part of the steering wheel, part of the dash or something out the background scenery. I don't know what the purple pillars are but they sure aren't helping.  Stepho  talk  14:12, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2015 photo is clearly the better of the two from a thumbnail perspective. However, I would support the inclusion of both photos as the 2015 update to the LC200 included a substantially redesigned dashboard. There also exists a second image of the original 2007 interior which I have added. OSX (talk • contributions) 04:40, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interior photo for J200 

message: :Toyota Land Cruiser Grande →  – Simply just known as "Land Cruiser", the "Grande" name is rarely used. Hyperman001 (talk) 07:04, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a contested technical request (permalink). DBigXrayᗙ 07:14, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The renaming done to most of the Land Cruiser articles and redirects on 9 November 2018 have totally screwed things up. Toyota Land Cruiser is meant to summarise the entire range from the BJ in 1951, through the luxury range of the J100/200, the Prado J70/90/120/150 and the workhorse range of the J70/80. The Prado gets its own page summarising its generations and then every generation gets its own detailed article. This is how it was before 9 Nov and how it should be returned to. The summary article should definitely not have "Grande" in the title because that only applies to certain models in certain generations.  Stepho  talk  10:35, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

text: I have asked for an adminstrator to return these articles to their previous state. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Toyota Land Cruiser.  Stepho  talk  12:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 November 2018 

message: has placed section titles like "Sales (United States stats)" and "UnitedStates sales figures". I understand that he is tryign to make the section title more accurate but it also has the side affect of discouraging people adding more markets. We want to encourage people to add more columns to the same table for more markets. Putting "United States" in the section title either discourages any additions at all or encourages completely separate tables - which waste huge amounts of space and make comparisons awkward. In the table the US is presented as just one of many markets and deliberately keeps a low barrier to adding more markets.
Also, "figures" and "stats" are redundant. As you can see from the majority of other automobile articles, the plain "Sales" title seems to do just fine.  Stepho  talk  23:53, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States sales 

message: I am new to Wikipedia, so do not wish to make any edits, however, as can be seen here:
https://www.toyota.co.uk/new-cars/
The Land Cruiser is still sold new in the UK. The article incorrectly claims that it is not sold in the UK.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.99.32.206 (talk) 05:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The section that says the UK dropped the LC at the 2015 facelift does not have a reference. Nor can I find anything on the web about dropping it. In fact, I find references such as https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/land-cruiser-2013-2017 (and others) that imply it was never dropped at all. If nobody says anything different over the next few days, then I will delete that line.  Stepho  talk  07:50, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect sales details 

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message: Price must be added. 39.46.213.202 (talk) 04:08, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Price must not be added. See WP:NOTPRICE. Also, it varies wildly according to model, grade, options, country, exchange rates, dealer markup, etc.  Stepho  talk  05:59, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: I can't seem to find anything regarding the USA version recently introduced. Westerosi456H (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Toyota Land Cruiser Prado (J250). 101.128.126.36 (talk) 17:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The second line of the article says 'For the smaller variation, which is sold in Europe and North America (since 2023) as the "Land Cruiser", see Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.' Once again Toyota have muddied international waters with inconsistent naming and now we are going to have years of Americans telling us our dimensions and other specs are wrong. Sigh...  Stepho  talk  00:10, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  new US landcruiser missing