Talk:List of countries and territories by motor vehicles per capita

message: Ideally this would be a pivot table showing number of vehicles and population of each country as well as the vehicles per capita, and maybe even accidents rate.  I don't have this data, nor am I inclined to find it at the moment, plus I don't know how to make a pivot table...  TastyCakes (talk) 22:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: The number for Iceland is wrong. The 2010 number provided by Iceland Statistics (see: hagstofa.is) is 643 vehicles per 1000 inhabitants, putting Iceland a bit lower on the list, next to Canada).
: Going by the same numbers the numbers for 2015 would be 787, see http://px.hagstofa.is/pxis/pxweb/is/Sogulegar/Sogulegar__sogul_samgongurogfjarskipti/SOG17000.px/table/tableViewLayout1/?rxid=43df512b-a96a-467d-b0c3-c8205a631eaa
: But those are private cars, not total vehicles those numbers can be found here (end of 2016), http://bifreidatolur.samgongustofa.is/?nid=1322
: That would add up to 1018 vehicles per 1000 (344.664 / 338.349 * 1000) and would be inline with how the US numbers are achieved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.181.112.65 (talk) 16:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Iceland

message: Cairo alone has 4.5 million cars, and Alexandria has ove 1 million, so Egypt as a whole would likely have about 10 million cars, or in the range of 160 per thousand of population, and the table shows 30, i.e. is off by a factor of 5 or 6.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.208.139 (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypt 

message: Is there any figure for Guam?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.218.109 (talk) 13:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you are. http://www.populstat.info/Oceania/guamg.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.118.130.55 (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guam 

message: why is not Sweden in the list? Sweden 456 from source 1
Hmm people are changing data in the list without updating map... Don't know why Sweden wasn't in the list, sorry I guess I didn't compile it very carefully.  TastyCakes (talk) 22:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweden 

message: The data seems inaccurate, I am afraid. Because within the year 2007 only, Chinese market sold 8.8million vehicles. In 2006, this number was 6.5million. Only these two years combine, it would far beyond the 10 per 1000 data.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wensi w (talk • contribs) 12:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm yes it seems quite possible that the NationMaster data is out of date for fast changing countries, and I can't find nay indication on the site and its source when the information was current.  If you have a more up to date/accurate source, please change the data.  TastyCakes (talk) 18:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate data

message: I'm wondering if there's a distinction between vehicles and cars in these statistics.  The number for Malaysia seems a bit high if it's cars only.Venug22 (talk) 15:05, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This list needs to be edited to show vehicles or just cars, now its giving wrong impression as it includes both styles --Typ932 T·C 13:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinction between vehicles and cars 

message: A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries.  Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 12:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Discussion

message: See: A strip mall parking lot in LiLongwe.  That photograph alone shows 11 identifiable automobiles, and if I'm to believe the main page here, there are only 14 cars in the entire country.
I call shenanigans!  - 63.107.91.99 (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm yes that does seem to be a mistake.  Probably the data (from here) is simply not very reliable for some countries.  At a guess it does it from government registered cars or something and this is simply not done in countries such as Malawi.  (incidentally, the site says 0, but I think somewhere you can download the data as an excel file and it gives the 0.001 number) TastyCakes (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Malawi number is simply wrong 

message: The Number for China, 18, can't be correct. I remember some weeks ago the number was many times higher. There were sold millions of cars in China alone in this year, over 7 Million and I think about 8 Million until the End of the year. So 18 vehicles/1000 population can't be correct. 1 Car/1000 would be ~1,35 Million if you take 1,35 billion people living in China. In the last 4 years there have been sold almost 20 Million cars. Together with India its the strongest, important, growing market in the World. I would say something around ~100 is correct.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.185.116.103 (talk) 11:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  China's Number has to be wrong too 

message: Given the number of vehicles produced in Iran, it seems likely that one digit (perhaps, the last one) is missing from Iran's value. I wouldn't change it myself as I am not too sure. But it requires the attention of someone with knowledge of this issue.Xullius (talk) 08:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One digit missing? 

message: Here are some statistics I got from International Road Federation(IRF), World Road Statistics 2008. 
Vehicles per 1000 people	Passenger Cars per 1000 people	    	    	    	
{| class="wikitable sortable"	                              	    	    	    	
Country                 	2002                          	2003	2004	2005	2006
Canada                  	582                           	582 	584 	585 	600
China                   	16                            	18  	21  	24  	28
France                  	591                           	592 	595 	595 	598
Germany                 	571                           	576 	580 	585 	598
Hong Kong               	82                            	82  	81  	82  	82
Italy                   	659                           	—   	—   	667 	—
Japan                   	581                           	581 	586 	—   	—
South Korea             	293                           	303 	311 	320 	329
Singapore               	134                           	133 	134 	142 	147
Taiwan                  	263                           	271 	282 	293 	295
United Kingdom          	499                           	496 	510 	517 	—
United States           	797                           	796 	808 	819 	816
However, I don't have complete data, and this book is not free though. Is anybody has the book? (and maybe spend sometime to type everything out??)
The current article don't have the date (of statistic), and I'm not sure where did NationMaster get these data..., maybe we should use a more reliable source.  --Kerry7374 (talk) 02:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the NationMaster data is problematic because there are many dubious entries as outlined above and the original source isn't given.  It'd be great if we could get up to date data from another source.  TastyCakes (talk) 16:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Reference 

message: * Populations of Thailand as of 31 December 2008 (31 ธันวาคม พ.ศ. 2551) = 63,389,730 (http://www.dopa.go.th/stat/y_stat51.html )
* Number of Vehicle Registered in Thailand as of 31 December 2008 = 26,417,353 (include 16,264,404 motorcycles) (http://www.dlt.go.th/statistics_web/st1/whole08.xls )
After calculated, the result is about 416.7 vehicles (include motorcycles) per 1000 capita, or 160 vehicles (exclude motorcycles) per 1000 capita.
The number of vehicle registered in Thailand as of 31 Dec. 2009 is published, http://www.dlt.go.th/statistics_web/st1/whole_Dec09.xls , there are 27,184,577 vehicles.
--Love Krittaya (talk) 20:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Thailand data

message: * Populations of Thailand as of 31 December 2012 (31 ธันวาคม พ.ศ. 2555) =  64,456,695 http://stat.bora.dopa.go.th/stat/y_stat55.html
* Number of Vehicle Registered in Thailand as of 31 December 2011 = 32,476,977 (include 19,023,751+123,474 motorcycles) (http://apps.dlt.go.th/statistics_web/brochure/cumcar12.pdf )
503 vehicles (include motorcycles) per 1000 capita, or 206 vehicles (exclude motorcycles) per 1000 capita
--Love Krittaya (talk) 12:47, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 2012

message: Actually, I found different numbers. According to Slovak assosiation of insurance companies (see http://www.skp.sk/?lng=eng&MODULE=7&SECTION=7), there were 2,024,000 cars insured in Slovakia in 2008. Compared to country population of 5,463,046 citizens it gives the ratio of 370 cars per 1000 citizens, which is comparable to Czech republic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.24.7 (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Slovakia''' 

message: This is a request to move this related article to List of countries by motor vehicles per capita, by appending the word 'motor' into the title. The term 'vehicle' covers (in the UK and other European countries) pedal cycles and horse-drawn vehicles; vehicles that are not propelled by mechanical means. I, therefore, state that the article title is misleading and propose a move; please discuss. Kevin Steinhardt (talk) 22:07, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to move page 

message: Census 2010 in Panama, reflects that the present population, is smaller to the estimations. Then I actualize the data of the 2010 population, that is of 3,322,576 habitants, (annual growth of 1.48%). So the 2009 population is 3,273,401 habitants.
Travieso94 (talk) 14:17, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections in Panama 

message: Vietnam seems to be missing on here. I was looking up information on it and it is not here. I noticed the same with Thailand. Ruggles the Editor (talk) 13:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Vietnam? 

message: The table was highly misleading, counting only passenger cars for Europe and motorized vehicles (including buses, trucks, delivery vans, etc.) for the US.  I have corrected the US data based on official sources and clarified where possible what is actually being counted.  Now, the same classification of vehicles is being counted for both European and US data.  However, in interpreting the data, one needs to keep in mind that even though the same vehicle category is being counted now, usage by vehicle type is still different and classifications may differ as well.  What the table actually might want to show is "vehicles used for personal transportation", but that data is not available.  This update also is now more consistent with the other sources mentioned above: International Road Federation(IRF), World Road Statistics 2008.  
Jcarnelian (talk) 00:52, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of US Data 

message: UAE is listed twice as 43rd and 58th. It is clear from the source of the world bank's database that 43rd is the correct position. However, I am interested to see weather there is another updated source that "might" justify the duplication in this table.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hala014 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table duplicates  

message: Be aware that bicycles are also considered to be vehicles.  The 'vehicles per capita' in the title of this article shows a motor-centric bias and should be changed to List of countries by motor vehicles per capita.  SaltyBoatr get wet 17:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias in title? 

message: Hi. Can you all kindly clearly define the scope of the article?
It includes for example trucks, buses or boats?
I think, as Eurostat, the purpose of this article should align with:
Motorisation rate - Cars per 1 000 inhabitants
Short Description: This indicator is defined as the number of passenger cars per 1 000 inhabitants. A passenger car is a road motor vehicle, other than a motorcycle, intended for the carriage of passengers and designed to seat no more than nine persons (including the driver); the term "passenger car" therefore covers microcars (need no permit to be driven), taxis and hired passenger cars, provided that they have fewer than 10 seats; this category may also include pick-ups. 
Check this link or this document 
If you want to be broader like the title refers "list of countries by the number of motor vehicles per 1,000 people. All figures include automobiles, SUVs, vans, and commercial vehicles; and exclude motorcycles and other two-wheelers." you shall clearly say land vehicles, otherwise you have to includes planes and boats.
Please clearly define the scope of this article.
Thank you
João Pimentel Ferreira 08:17, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the scope of definition to road motor vehicle because is the true purpose of the main reference. João Pimentel Ferreira 08:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear Definition of the scope 

message: Somebody had mis-interpreted the data for India in this table, and listed it as 148 vehicles per 1000 population for India. He or she gave the website reference as http://indiatransportportal.com/2012/11/vehicles-in-india/ . I was highly intrigued by this huge number, and when I checked, this number of 148 was found out to be the global average, not Indian average. Please consult the website, which in any case is non-official for India. So I changed it to 41 vehicles per 1000 for India. The data is obtained from the official website of Indian Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation, whose reference I have already cited. The data is obtained, for 4-wheelers, by subtracting the number of two-wheelers from total number of vehicles (117 - 76 = 41). Sorry, but I could not manually update the rankings in the table yet. Cygnus_hansa (talk) 03:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  India data was mis-interpreted 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: So the citation used by 90% of the article isn't really valid.  I don't know what to do about it, (I mean, I think we should remove that citation, but what do we replace it with?)
66.193.45.162 (talk) 20:07, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the same observation. This is highly problematic, as such a reference doesn't validate anything. Looking at the discussion above 1) that source has been pointed out as problematic before, as open for edits and not giving clear sources 2) earlier on, it seems to not have referenced Wikipedia. I'll add a template as a warning. 786r (talk) 18:39, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The nationmaster source says it got it's data from this page 

message: I think the "total" section is new and that it is quite useless if only 5-6 countries have a number and 150 or so don't... and than Brazil... Population estimate for 2016/2017: ~207 million, 249 vehicles per 1000 is almost exactly 1/4 or 25% ... but "total" is 35,601,099 ... when I divide over 200 million / 4 I get over 50 million, means over 15 million cars are missing.... Kilon22 (talk) 03:24, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil 

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message: The data from China seems way inacurate.
If we go to the wiki page in Chinese , then the source is different and gives 141 cars per 1000 people.
This is due to the fact the current source includes 2-wheelers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bligching512 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: On introduction of the article says China has biggest market (not country) but isn't, EU as a whole is way bigger, and maybe US was still bigger than China at 2018, nor 2019 (because still no data until year ends). vehicles per capita can be wrong too.--Manlleus (talk) 19:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: http://www.oica.net/wp-content/uploads//Total_in-use-All-Vehicles.pdf can give updated info for a lot of these.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.249.23.158 (talk) 07:29, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2015 data here 

message: In this article, under the reference section, references numbered 9 to 12, 14 to 22, 24 to 31, 34 to 36, 38, 43 and 44 contains the same link. So, can those links be grouped together by same name for these references?Adithyak1997 (talk) 06:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging References 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:List of countries by vehicles per capita]] 

message: This table needs a new column
Total number of cars
And The Total column needs to be renamed as total population
At present the data is mixed up in the column  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digmen1 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columns 

message: Found a new source for statistics on car ownership in ASEAN on a yearly basis, on ASEANstats. Asking for someone to search up the ASEANstats car ownership page, verify its authenticity, and update the current numbers from the official page. Don't have the time at the moment to update it myself. Fazley01 (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New source for car ownership in ASEAN countries; from ASEANstats 

message: The cited source for Gibraltar states that the data includes motorbike usage:
[Transport Minister] "Remember too that the figures I'm presenting include not just cars but motorbikes and lorries and vans and all sorts of vehicles which are used for commercial purposes."
I believe the official government report of this exchange for the purposes of clarification has not yet been published, that is the parliamentary session for the 21st of December 2022. 
(https://www.parliament.gi/proceedings-of-parliament/hansard?year=2022)
This has been reported on by the local press, which states that the number of motorbikes is around 9,600, which would alter Gibraltar's placement in the list, although a concrete source should be found for this. Cselkcess (talk) 10:08, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltar 

message: Cars are counted differently by different entities (including: what types of cars are included). Current table mixes methodologies in a single column. Many countries come from articles with little credibility (even behind paywall).
E.g. for EU the best source is Eurostat.
Next to current "mix" column, this table should have separate columns for methodologies/sources covering multiple countries where values come from a coherent methodology. KPiotr (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate columns for credible sources covering multiple countries 

message: If Wales, Scotland, United Kingdom (etc) are both included in the table is that not double counting? For example Wales is currently number 28 and also part of number 36 the United Kingdom. Surely it should be one or the other, or perhaps both is included but only one is given a distinct number. Dunk the Lunk (talk) 17:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wales, Scotland, United Kingdom etc 

message: I checked the source and found no information on the number of vehicles in the country. The current data may have been obtained by summarising the data in ‘Figure 16: Inbound foreign vehicles’ from section 5.1 Inbound statistic and showing ‘Foreign commercial vehicles that entered Lesotho's commercial border posts from January 2016 to October 2016 are shown below in Figure 16’ 2A02:2698:6C2E:7E73:CC6F:DB50:ABFE:B9F7 (talk) 02:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect data on the number of vehicles in Lesotho