Talk:Scotland/Archive 9

message: Could someone please point to the discussion forming the consensus, and explain why they feel the Euro link is required - what does it add? Thanks/wangi 19:21, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The standard usage across articles is to link to the relevant subarticle, ie Politics of Scotland. Other articles are linked to from the sub-article. The "Further" links are just clutter: but if we must link to "Further" articles we should at least be consistent and include Europe. --Mais oui! 19:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that Scotland remains part of the UK with many important powers reserved by Westminster and most people in Scotland continue vote for parties that are organized on a British basis a link to (Politics of the UK) is clearly potentially useful to people who are unfamiliar with Scotland. Benarty 11:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics - main and futher 

message: It is one of the oldest and most tiresome myths of Scottish history that Edward I deliberately foisted John Balliol on the Scots as a puppet king.  It is totally untrue.  Balliol was chosen by a full feudal court, presided over by the English king, because he had the strongest claim in terms of the law of primogeniture.  For further discussion of this subject see the talk pages of William Wallace (The Great Cause and other Matters), and Robert Bruce, 5th Lord of Annandale (Edward's Ambition).
Rcpaterson 23:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, obviously. What's your point? -- Derek Ross | Talk 01:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that full and interesting description. I still think that it should be in the article rather than here though. To edit Wikipedia it is not enough to be knowledgeable. You need to be persistent, tactful and willing to explain what you are doing. If that means playing politics then so be it. -- Derek Ross | Talk 15:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Since the "puppet king" allegation was still in place, I've replaced it by a shortened version of the more neutral approach outlined above, which is supported by my reading of Scotland, A New History by Michael Lynch. "Scotland's nobility" is an inexact reference to "the Guardians" who had already approached Edward I for advice on the succession, and had a treaty with him in hopes of a dynastic union ruling the two kingdoms before the death of the Maid of Norway brought crisis. All too much detail for this article, but improvements welcome. ..dave souza, talk 20:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Puppet King. 

message: Would anyone have any objections if the first line was altered to read:
Scotland (Gaelic: Alba; pronounced (), approximately "ALA-puh") ...
The first line of the article about Wales has a pronunciation guide like this. -   calum 13:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally i think that kind of guide (IPA + a general phonetic explanation ) is the best thing to have - am i alone in finding the IPA completely and utterly useless ? siarach 19:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Where would one go about learning the IPA? The wikipedia entry isn't so great for newcomers; or at least, wasn't the last time I checked. Canæn 07:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Forgive me if I've missed a decision Gents, or if some piece of legislation has been passed at home deciding the issue (I'm on hiatus in the United States) But is Scotland the Brave now the de-jure/de-facto national anthem? 
As far as I knew in it was God Save the Queen (De-Jure UK Anthem) Then Flower of Scotland / Scotland The Brace / Scots Whae Hae (Etc).
Can anyone correct me if I've missed a decision? 
Kaenei 17:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not missed anything - TBH I don't know why that is listed - Flower of Scotland would hold more water on the basis that it is most used at an international level, but there is no official anthem, and that should surely be noted in the box. SFC9394 18:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, that should read Flower of Scotland, with a note that it isn't offical and that there are others - I may be wrong but I think Rugby uses a different song. I always consider Flower of Scotland to be the national anthem. 82.41.11.43 10:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Anthem?