Talk:Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

message: What’s the source that Maddison is vice-captain whereas Romero is third captain? When Sonny came off today v Burnley (with Madders still on), Cuti Romero was given the captain’s armband. Dawindler (talk) 19:51, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The THFC website cites Maddison and Romero as vice-captains - see https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2023/august/sonny-named-club-captain/ - so I would be in favour of describing them each as vice-captain. LenF54 (talk) 17:08, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Again today Romero got the armband so if anything Romero appears to be second captain, but it’s been changed to vice-captain for both, which is fine. Dawindler (talk) 17:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vice-Captain and Third-Captain 

message: I think it looks odd to have the selected U21s in a separate list below the 25 man roster.  I don't recall that it was done this way in the past.  I'd have the main roster players and all U21s that have been selected as part of a match day squad (either playing or substitutes) which I think is true of the four listed in the same list.  Maybe there can be a parenthetical that they are U21. Dawindler (talk) 00:46, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I based it on the THFC website, as per the cited sources. The four listed as allocated to the U-21s are part of the first team, as per one source, but not part of the Premier League squad, as per another source. If any players from the academy development squad appear for the first team. they remain listed under the academy as per the THFC website. I think the problem is with my wording "Other first-team players not in the Premier League squad (all allocated to the Under-21 list)" and I would be happy for others to improve on this. LenF54 (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked at other pages and the Chelsea page has their U21s (Malo Gusto, etc) listed with everyone else, the Liverpool page has Harvey Elliot, etc.  If they're eligible to play for us, why does it matter what list they're on?  I'm quite sure in previous years U21s that have featured in match day squads were listed with everyone else.  How can Pape Sarr and Destiny Udogie start every game for us in the Premier League and not be in the Premier League squad?  It seems like a semantic issue, so maybe don't use "Premier League Squad" if you have some issue with that, or you give it some meaning other than eligible to play in the premier league.  It looks very odd to have them in a different list, especially when two of them have started most games.  I think most people coming to a page looking at the list of current Tottenham players want to see a list of current Tottenham players. Dawindler (talk) 16:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would just cite to this page https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/teams/men/players/.  The list is "current squad" not "current premier league squad" so there's no reason for a separate list for those not in the "premier league squad."  All four players are listed as part of the first team squad, and therefore part of the "squad." Dawindler (talk) 16:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that, since this is an encyclopedia, it should mention who is in the Premier League squad and who isn't. When Danny Rose was left out of the Premier League squad, he was removed from the page completely, which I thought was going too far. Anyway, please see https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2023/september/squad-confirmed-for-202324-premier-league-season/. In the article I have tried to bring the sources together. I think we can all see that Spurs have manipulated the rules to have a first team squad of 29, but that's their right. Let's hear what others have to say, and hope they can improve the article. LenF54 (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think the first team has ever been only for the Premier League, so I'm not sure why there is a need to do that. Hzh (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

text: But they are in the premier league squad... they play in the premier league!  (And in any case, as noted, the title of the list is not premier league squad.)  If they were ineligible to play in the premier league, maybe they should be listed separately, but all the players listed have at least made the bench and two have played.  As the list exists now, it sews confusion because it makes it sound like the listed players cannot play in the premier league.  I know that they are in a  separate list, but I don't think a wikipedia page should assume that the reader knows the minutiae of premier league roster rules. Dawindler (talk) 17:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

text: So far I don't see any evidence of support for that, so it needs to be reverted. Hzh (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give it a couple of days then, if no support, I'll revert it myself. LenF54 (talk) 14:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted by another editor last night. LenF54 (talk) 14:48, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Player list 

message: Andy Scoulding is now Loans Manager rather than Assistant Performance Director 2A02:C7C:D2D0:B300:54BD:B459:6EB2:61DF (talk) 20:39, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2023 

message: New season has begun pls update. 206.84.234.126 (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Kinu t/c 22:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2024 

message: change brandon austin's nationality to english Lililispoon (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 10:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  The question would then be why is he given as American? Hzh (talk) 12:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Austin played for a USA national team then was called up for an England national team but didn't play. He was shown as American because one editor insisted on it in January. In order to resolve it without an edit war I opened a discussion on Brandon Austin's talk page but this produced no comments. The nationality on the THFC page has today been changed by another editor to English and we will see what results. It would be nice if we could have a permanent consensus. LenF54 (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of playing for US under-18s, he is still English and eligible for the English teams. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's the point I failed to make in January. LenF54 (talk) 17:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2024