Talk:Yoshi's Story

message: What show is the episode "Yoshi's Video Game" from, i want to add it to the article. WikiChicken81112 (talk) 15:38, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Yoshi's Video Game" show? 

message: On the web, i've seen some pictures of a Yoshi Story cartridge that had a different sticker cover on it and it said international version. I think it was for use with a us n64, but it was still in japanese text. Theres also a copy on ebay. Should there be info about it on this page? Heres a webpage about it with a picture. http://www.gamesniped.com/2008/09/30/n64-yoshis-story-international-version/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.100.129 (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: International version

message: This game is not properly emulated, and people coming here reading this article and do not know that will think the game has shitty graphics. I demand that the screenshot in the article be replaced with something more authentic and proper.
85.166.153.184 14:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NO DAMN EMULATOR SCREENSHOTS 

message: I removed the Levels section as it was poorly organised, NPOV, and inapporpiate tone. --FlareNUKE 08:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Levels section 

message: I added a ton of info a few minutes ago, please check it out and see if I did anything wrong... CJ 22:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  added info 

message: That's a myth, right?
:I have yet to see any solid evidence (screenshots, videos, etc.) of it, so I have marked it as a myth in the article. --Poochy 08:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purple Yoshi? 

message: The current article states "At the beginning of each level, a Lucky Fruit is chosen."  Although the way I remembered it, in the main game at least, the lucky fruit is chosen at the start of the game and remains so throughout all 6 pages.  It has been yeas since I played it, but I'm certain I remember it this way.  I'm changing the article untill someone proves me wrong.
— Kjammer ⌂ 06:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucky Fruit 

message: I created the Reception segment to bring attention to Yoshi's Story's impact on the industry. What many people that did not live through the Nintendo 64's era don't understand is just how influential Yoshi's Story was to the public.
The truth is that Yoshi's Story, while an amusing diversion, is not a good game when standing on its own or against its predecessor, Yoshi's Island. I understand that it's a touchy subject for Nintendo fans, but there's no positive way to report it.
If it's taken down, the article will only be censored and inaccurate. I'm a large Nintendo fan and have stood by the company since the original Nintendo unit. However, I understand the reality of Yoshi's Story and what its release sparked. If the article is erased or edited again, I will fight harder to keep it online.
Why censor history and cause such a disservice to fans and those seeking concrete information? Yoshi's Story is a large piece of gaming history. It's not just Yoshi's Story, it's Yoshi's Island 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.214.146  (talk • contribs) 
:The problem is that, as written, it has no references and appears to be original research. If you can back up the text with reliable sources then it can stay. -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 19:16, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: The Reception section was returned to its original form because a lot of effort by multiple people was done to properly assemble Yoshi's Story's complete history. I feel that removing every aspect of these efforts is unusual and detrimental to Wikipedia's cause. All the other additions were placed back in, as well. The only omission was the "GBA port," since that particular piece of software was meant solely as a tech demo for the GameBoy Advance.
Everyone is encouraged to contribute to a Wikipedia article, but, please, don't remove something simply because you don't like it. The information is sourced and considered accurate, which is why it was there when you found it. Removal will only lead to a full reposting at a later date, when someone from the team realizes you deleted something you weren't supposed to. - EliotAndrews (Talk) 17:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception Replaced. 

message: I don't care if you guys are upset. I think the article is positive enough considering the game. Come on guys, get real on this one. Yoshi's Story was a horrible game with mediocre everything. The reception paragraphs fit and I say they stay.
Really, guys why is there a Yoshi's Story Cult dedicated so much to hiding these truths anyway? Are you guys hoping more people will waste money on this game by reading a positive wiki page? Get real.
I bought Yoshi's Story back in 1998 right at it's launch. You know what I paid? The full US $59.99. And I went on to regret it more then any other game purchase I ever made. Everyone in my neighborhood felt the same way, and none of us could return it because for the same reason: we had "unsealed the box." I sold mine for less then $20 on Ebay, which I thought (and think) is totally unfair. That's just my experience, sure, but that horrible experience was shared worldwide.
Worldwide, people!
We all thought this game was going to be big, and we paid bigtime for it. Just because you liked the game doesn't prove anything. You're not thinking of anyone else, and, believe me when I say this, you're in the minority.
I'm not in favor of sugarcoating this article. Reception stays as is even if I have to check on the page every day. - Nijon76, 1:09, 21 November 2007. (UTC)
Woow you don't like the cute Yoshis then. 142.166.8.26 (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception controversy. 

message: EliotAndrews has written most of the reception section. However, it largely fails Wikipedia's core policies of WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV. Attempts to improve the article by removing or altering text in the reception section have been reverted by EliotAndrews. This edit suggests to me that EliotAndrews is unwilling to discuss the issue, so I feel a request for comment is needed. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 20:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Existing cites tweaked. There's nothing horrendously wrong and it can certainly be fixed, but a lot of the commentary needs removing or rewording and citing. For instance, describing reviews for one system as 'callous' is totally inappropriate, we should be reporting what the reviews are saying not trying to decide which are more relevant or harsher. A box for scores would also be of benefit. If we work together I'm sure we can improve the article and submit it for further comment/rating. Someone another (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The edits made and the additional sources are a vast improvement. Whilst I understand Eliot's disappointment due to  expectations of being able to maintain the section as-is, the improvement of articles is something we share as contributors and removing inappropriate original research/synthesis is very much part of that improvement.  Hopefully we can work together and hammer the article into shape for a 'B' rating, from there GA could be possible. Someone another (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the reception section need to be rewritten? 

message: As much as I hate to see the work of my team rewritten, we all agree that the Reception section could use a more friendly "feel" to it. In addition, we've all grown tired with how other Wikipedia users have responded to the Reception section. Punctured_Bicycle represents the most extreme, immature   of reactions.
In the case of Punctured_Bicycle, his previous edits were simply "mass deletions" of our previous work, leading to tedious re-postings. Efforts to suggest actual edits lead to the same activity, and we received several threats of account deletion in place of constructive discussion. Neither side responded in a mature fashion, admittedly, but the larger issue is that the Reception section, as well as the rest of the article, required a lot of work, dedication, and research. Therefore, we've been adamant in our stand that the content, at the very least, should stay online until properly worded. We would be grateful if Wikipedia users could honor this request.
We're going to clear up any citing issues left by Someone Another, and create a neutral article. However, we'd appreciate it heavily if Deletionists would refrain from cropping the Yoshi's Story page; Please show respect for the work that people put into these pages. Wikipedia users share these articles, but that doesn't give anyone the right to remove information without due cause.  - EliotAndrews (talk) 02:23, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some comments from a disinterested party: No, there is absolutely no need for a "friendly feel" to the article.  In fact, that's a hallmark of poor encyclopedia writing.  It's also inappropriate to speak for other editors by saying "we".  You do not have a "my team", and it comes across as very proprietary and condescending to refer to other editors in that manner. - JasonAQuest (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Supposedly the members of the "team" he or she is referring to are all editing under the account User:EliotAndrews. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 17:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to respect work that fails Wikipedia's core policies WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV. I'm going to remove it, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. I have every right to do so. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 17:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewriting. 

message: Some work has been done to incorporate the current edits into the essay itself. If anything we didn't catch has been mistakenly overwritten, please add these edits back in.
We're still searching for a few sources, and we deleted any "Citation Needed" tags that were placed on sentences that were meant as "lead-in's" to the next paragraph. The Reception section is still far from done, but efforts have begun to rewrite what needs to be rephrased. We would like to thank all those that are supporting us during this time. - EliotAndrews (talk) 02:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not supposed to be an essay. There should be no central thesis, even though the article in its current state is pushing one ("the negative impact Yoshi's Story had on the market and 'Yoshi' franchise"). "Lead-ins" should be supported by sources like anything else. Despite your recent edits, the section is still largely unsourced, rife with original research, and is not fairly representing all significant views; the whole thing should be scrapped and we should start over, in my opinion. I have found numerous reliable sources that treat the game positively. I will try to incorporate my sources later. Punctured Bicycle (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception. 

message: This is still Start-Class. The two main things which stand out to me as issues are length (some parts too long, some parts too short), and references (not enough of them). Here are some more detailed comments:
*Sources are a major issue - there just aren't enough for them. WP:CITE.
*Lead section doesn't mention the game's critical reception - per WP:LS the lead section should summarise all of the article. Additionally, the lead section shouldn't contain any information which isn't elsewhere in the article. Currently the second and third paragraph seem to include information which isn't elsewhere in the article. They also seem to be unsourced.
*Gameplay section is too long and reeks of game-guide-ness. This is further enforced by the lack of sources. The basic rule of thumb for writing Gameplay sections is that if there's information in their which is only useful to someone who plays the game, then don't include it. Perhaps a good strategy to suggest is to first look at any reliable sources discussing the game, and only using information from these sources to write a gameplay section. If you find there are major gaps, then feel free to plug them using the game's manual; remember that primary sources such as the manual should only be used as a last resort.
*Plot section is rather thin on the ground - give a summary of all the story rather than a back-of-the-box-blurb. This information can again be sourced using the manual as well as in-game dialogue, but as with sources for the Gameplay section secondary sources are always preferred. If you're stuck for sources, try scouring through the game guides at GameFAQs, IGN and the like (sites which would be considered reliable sources).
*When compared to other articles, the Reception section here is quite long and convulated. I'd suggest a complete re-write: first, give an overview of how well the game did, giving Metacritic/GameRankings aggregate scores. Then, tell us who thought it was good and why they thought it was good. After that, tell us who didn't like the game and why. That's a general guide for writing a section like this. Have a look at the Reception sections at WP:VG#Example articles for a better idea of what to include.
*Unless there are zero sources available, a Development section would be vital. Again, the best way to get an idea of what to include here is to look at the example articles. The GBA information, when properly sourced, would fit into this section snugly as a subsection.
*The "Additional Notes" section is nothing more than a trivia section - it needs to be merged into the rest of the article, which shouldn't be too difficult. If sourced, the first point could go into Development section. I'm not sure if the second point is notable enough to fit in the article at all - it seems like nothing more than an Easter Egg. The third point is unsourced and doesn't really seem notable enough for inclusion in the article (after all, it's only a rumour, and a rumour which wasn't correct).
If you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask. Hope this helps, Una LagunaTalk 19:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll try to catch some of these issues, having a broader view of the big picture is also most helpful. Merry Christmas. Someone another (talk) 16:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:VG]] assessment 

message: Yo. Huge Yoshi Story fan-boy Power_Box here. In case you don't remember, I started off by carelessly deleting parts of the YS reception section. I learned my lesson from you guys quickly and tried to make a "compramise" edit. It worked for a while. I think it's time for me to start looking at it again though.
First I want to say something to... Nijon, was it? I know you said this two months ago and you've tried to make a few changes since then, so if what I'm about to say bothers you, I apoligize in advance. You especially believe that the negatives of Yoshi's Story's reception should be made very clear? I understand what you're saying. You yourself were one of many people who got it expecting something amazing and getting something completely different... and short in terms of story. Yes, I won't argue with you here. Many people hate Yoshi's Story, and shortness was usually the first reason why.
But the people who actually like it aren't in a "minority" and are more than a "cult," I believe. Look around, there actually are a LOT of people who love this game and find it dear to them, just like me. Check out those review sites... critics say 5 or 6 out of 10. But the players themselves usually give an avarage of 7.5. And there's the Player's Choice factor. If so many people hated the game and it held such a great negative impact on Nintendo... it would have gotten stuck with all those other "un-noteable" games, yeah? Yet it's in the same league as all those other titles like Super Mario 64 and Legend of Zelda Orcarina of time. I'll admit now, it's safe to say the world doesn't consider Yoshi's Story better than those games, and just because a lot of people bought it and supported it in the beginning doesn't mean they liked it in the end. But even so, it sold 2 million copies... "1 million" doesn't seem like a big amount when written like this, let alone "2 million", but it is. And it signifies that the game had a lot of support that stuck.
Now, about Mister PuncturedBicicle... I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say I don't agree with his edits. How about we bring the old article back but have it toned down some more? Who says the reviews and Nintendo's latest actions truly "varify Yoshi's Story's effect on Nintendo"? I think that's the reason why he's been doing what he's been doing. Actually, I think that's the main reason I carelessly deleted parts of the article myself at first! Like I said, I don't support his actions. But I think removing or changing those few sentences might save this entire article.
That was simply my suggestion. I hope you guys consider it. Thanks.
Power Box (talk) 22:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I still wonder... think we can do a friendlier reception...? 

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message: I never wanted to revisit this page again, but here I am again. I must say, Someone Another took some pretty sharp jabs at Nijon76. I should add that everything (I do mean EVERYTHING) he says there is true:
- I remember staring $59.99 USD right in the eye back in the day when Final Fantasy VII was only $49.99.
- I remember the articles leading up the Yoshi's Story's relatively early release.
- I remember people ditching their N64's for PlayStation's after Yoshi's Story.
- And while we're here, I remember people comparing Yoshi's Story to Wind Waker's visual style when the Zelda game was first unveiled.
- I remember several magazine articles explaining how the additions of Resident Evil and Metal Gear Solid were said to "finally appeal" to the older Nintendo players.
- I remember being happy to "show their support" for Yoshi's Story by re-releasing it on the Virtual Console.
Just because the sources aren't there doesn't make it completely invalid. Just in Wikipedia's eyes. I would like to see someone help me find those old sources. I've just seen far too much disrespect given to those that point out the obvious. It really is like they say: A "downplaying" or "re-writing" of history. Yoshi's Story didn't have an impact; Yoshi's Story was the impact. Nintendo stained their reputation the day they released Yoshi's Story with the claim that it was Yoshi's Island 2. Is anyone willing to at least point out the truth with me? We don't have to be rude and disrespectful like the myriad of other Wiki users. We just have to make the news "Wiki Official." We have to finally archive what actually happened.
It's not about name-calling, it's not about who's right or wrong (Although many of you are for simply picking on other users without merit. Someone Another, Punctured_Bicycle, that's you two.), it's about bringing the facts to the table.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by EliotAndrews (talk • contribs) 04:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back Again. 

message: Are there any sources for the removed features of the game?75.142.50.33 (talk) 02:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. From what I understand, the game was developed in a relatively simple manner. The game didn't use Yoshi's Island's code, so elements like "Vehicle Morphing" weren't included from the start. Therefore, they're not "removed features" at all. As far as the "Brown Yoshi," page amounts, and boss battles, those seem to be unfounded. A Brown Yoshi would have been easy to make, but probably didn't look good on its own or with other Yoshi's. Releasing a statement for such a thing is silly. For the additional bosses, the game's flow doesn't accommodate so many different potential encounters. The bosses that exist are "thrown together" and unimaginative. Therefore, the designers obviously had no intention of programming so many different bosses into the game. (They barely seemed interested in including the bosses the final game received.) The only thing that could refute such an idea would be production art of unknown over-sized enemies. No such thing exists. The "page numbers" concept is unlikely. It would make more sense to stretch the game out, due to the fact that 70% of the levels can be skipped in the first run-through. Planning a shorter game from the start is possible, but it isn't really relevant. Again, we'd need sources as well as a valid reason of why such a thing is important. I'm inclined to believe those extras were placed in to add content to an otherwise sparse section. Nevertheless, all the unsourced material needs to go. Everyone removes everyone else's work - That's Wikipedia for you. EliotAndrews (talk) 19:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't for everyone =O( Punctured Bicycle (talk) 05:04, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources?

message: Hiya EliotAndrews, long time no see! So we're going to take another crack at making this article even better, huh? In that case, let me offer everyone a few tips and facts.
- We cannot just focus on what the main critics say alone. Who cares what a few big-wigs think of this game? Critics'll obviously never appreciate it, hence the press rating average of 5/10. But the players' responce was a LOT less predictable. Sure, there were a lot of people who really hated everything about this game, and were even much harsher than the critics sometimes. But there are also a lot of people who loved everything Yoshi's Story had to offer and found this game to be one of the best games for the N64, if not one of the best from Nintendo in general. This is proven in just about every review site with a user rating avarge of about 7.5/10, both for the N64 and VC versions. I've seen Previous versions of this wiki article that generally mentioned the split between the love and hate for this game, so why not this version? Sure we mentioned that the game's re-release on Nintendo's VC service "highlighted the appeal of the franchise and fan reception," but that's it. And, well... what did we mean by fan reception anyways? Was that refering to people who actually liked this game, or to people who liked the Yoshi series in general? I'm hoping we can make one more paragraph concerning the players' responce to Yoshi's Story itself.
- I'm might be repeating what I said some time ago here... but Nintendo didn't screw itself with the release of Yoshi's Story! Fine, I can understand why it probably isn't the best game Nintendo created and I can also understand why the world expected "more" from Yoshi's Story, especially after receiving something like Yoshi's Island. The world knew Nintendo like this: when they make a big game that'll continue one of their hit series like Mario or Zelda or Metroid, you can usually expect this game to retain what you knew about said series that makes it so great + something extra to make it unique. Nintendo did not do that with Yoshi's Story. Instead, they made a game that was almost completely different from it's prequal and threw the world for a loop at first as a result. Did that mean the game placed a bad mark on Nintendo's reputation? Nintendo itself doesn't seem to think so... if it did, why does it keep referencing it once in a while? The not-so-steller Yoshi's Topsy Turvy featured graphics and the same health system from Yoshi's Story. The Mario spin-offs sometimes make subtle references to the game too. Heck, Nintendo made a big reference very recently! Who's played Mario Super Sluggers? It was released in late August 2008... barely a month from now. One of the game's stages, Yoshi Park, not only features the childish pop-up book atmosphere that's based off Yoshi's Story but even features an orchastrated version of the Yoshi's Story theme as well! Now why would Nintendo create something like that if they thought the game supposedly screwed their reputation? True, it might've done just that... at first. But the negative effects obviously wern't as powerful as the positive ones in the end! That's the only explanation I can think of to explain this phenomenon.
That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm not a hundred percent sure how we can explain these facts in the article without getting complaints that we're not following the rules yet again. I'm sure there's a way though! So let's figure it out and maybe we can finally perfect this article!
--Power Box (talk) 02:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's keep these facts in mind, okay guys? 

message: I see that Super Mario Advance 5: Yoshi's Story autoforwards here. What's the point, it was never released - effectively, the fifth SMA game is Super Mario 64DS, the Super Mario Advance title being dropped because it was now on the DS instead of GBA. Digifiend (talk) 17:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be better if there was a section explaining that it was never released and possibly the reasons for it, because at the moment it just seems like an erroneous redirect. I'd do it myself but I don't have the specifics and so can't add the section currently. Xtremerandomness (talk) 10:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario Advance 5 

message: Because all of the sources cited for reception came from various websites, I added a print review; namely, Game Informer's score of 8.5/10.  They've always been very contrarian to the standard IGN/GameSpot/GameSpy reviews--usually much harsher critics, but in this case, they seemed to have enjoyed the game quite a bit more.  Unfortunately, I was unable to quote the review because I don't have the issue in question, but it is included in their 100th issue "Review Archive," which I cited.  Off the record, I kind of wonder why Kirby's Epic Yarn isn't considered "unengaging and nonsensical" by the same standards, since it, too, is all about making your own goals and challenges rather than being notably difficult to simply complete with a minimum of effort.76.222.61.124 (talk) 00:34, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the GameInformer review archive, this is the info about Yoshi's Story: Score 8.5/10 - Issue Feb. 1998; #058.  Here's the cover.  Unfortunately the full review text is not available in the archive. Salvidrim (talk) 01:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pity that the full text is not available, for quotes. Although I don't know what the magazine scores were like at the time, magazines are where the bulk of reviews for the game will be contained and Game Rankings only contains two (Nintendo Power's 8.2/10 and EGM's 6.6/10), Metacritic contains none. Whether the magazine reviews contain a similar mix of scores or not, Metacritic and Game Rankings don't touch upon these sources. Someoneanother 02:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Addition 

message: Why was this image considered to be excessive? The article has only one other image, and the second image illustrated a significant aspect of the game, with complete coherence to the section it was posted under. It also contributed with an aesthetic balance to what remains a rather dense wall of text. I really do not see any significant reason as to why this had to be deleted...
I has unique username (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: From my perspective, it didn't really contribute that much. It was the screenshot of melons, right? I don't think you need a screenshot to show that getting all the melons in a level is a real goal, it could easily be explained via text, and the screenshot really didn't show why you want all the melons except for a non-encyclopedic caption "it makes for a happy Yoshi." Regarding your comments on the "dense wall of text" maybe that's a sign that some content in the article should be left out or at least rewritten. The game has admittedly simple gameplay and it shouldn't take so much to explain so little. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the second screenshot deleted? 

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