Talk:Joseph Brant

message: I had trouble with the First Nation addition when I first saw it, but I'm reverting back to it because the last third of his life was spent in Canada.  It's too bad there is not a real useful term that encompasses Canadian and American Indians-- after all, the boundary between the countries was imposed from without.  As I write this, though, I realise that the order should be different. Will fix. -- Mwanner | Talk 14:53, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never thought previously that "American Indian" means "American" as in "U.S. of America"; I always thought it meant "American" as in "the Americas". However, I understand that some people think of the term differently. In any event, we need to think of a different wording, because, while his people may have been a First Nation, he individually was certainly not "the most well-known ... First Nation of his generation". - Nat Krause 19:45, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It does mean the Americas, but that includes all of the Americas.  Tell you what, though, I've seen just enough of the morass of arguments on the application of different terms for the Indians of the Americas to know that I don't want any part of the discussion.  If you want to change it back, be my guest, I won't revert it.  Cheers! -- Mwanner | Talk 20:39, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The terminology is particularly tricky for American Indians like Brant, since Indians of his era living along the U.S-Canadian border apparently have to be sorted by Wikipedians into First Nations and Native Americans, two terms that did not exist in his time. Whatever terminology is used, I think it should be made clear to readers in articles like this that "First Nations" and "Native Americans" are modern terms. Perhaps something like the wording I used in the War of 1812 article would do the trick: Brant was perhaps the most well-known North American Indian of his generation—people now generally called Native Americans in the United States and First Nations in Canada. A little clumsy perhaps, but it gets the information across. After this initial disambiguation, the default term in the article itself, and for historical articles like this one which span the U.S.-Canadian border, should really be "American Indian", since the other terms are anachronistic and (to some) country-specific. --Kevin Myers | on Wheels! 13:48, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me-- it's not too clumsy, though it's too bad it has to come so early in the article. Still, I think it works.  I've made the change. -- Mwanner | Talk 19:12, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Nation/American Indian 

message: just wondering guys does anyone know how he came to be known as "Joseph Brant"? And how did his family get the surname "Brant" from? 172.145.65.148
:Well the article says his mother married Brant Canagaraduncka, so he probably took his step-father's first name as a surname. Adam Bishop 06:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  his surname is Brant??? 

message: Genealogy.rootswebb gave Jacob Brant's birth and death dates 1786-1847. In the article it states in section Later years, legacy, some descendants Generations 2-4. Jacob (1786-1947), that is 161 years which must be a typo. I changed the death date per the above source.--Dakota 06:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jacob Brant

message: I have a relative (first name is Brant, carried down thru the years they say from Joseph Brant) who is supposedly a decendant and has heard that their is a scholarship of sorts assocatied with being a decendant of Joseph Brant.  Has anyone heard of this???
Denise Friedmann 68.81.85.82 16:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy Questions 

message: Can someone tell me where "here" is in reference to the following line from the article:
"During his lifetime, Brant was the subject of many portrait artists, both here and abroad"
I was sure Brant pre-dated the internet. Dr Mullet 19:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem likely that it meant the US or possibly Canada.  In any case it added nothing, so I have removed it. -- Mwanner | Talk 17:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Here? 

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message: Is there an alternate term that could be used here? " he met many of the most significant Anglo-American people of the age, including both George Washington and King George III." is an inaccurate statement, but I'm not sure if just "Anglo people" would be appropriate.
2607:FCC8:FB8B:F600:E5CD:CA53:37BA:F73 (talk) 00:44, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Rewritten as: "Perhaps the best known Native American of his generation, he met many of the most significant American and British people of the age, including both George Washington and King George III." Griffin's Sword (talk) 21:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  King George was NOT Anglo-American 

message: How is there no mention in the popular culture section of his being a major antagonist in this classic novel? Alexandermoir (talk) 04:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to add Drums along the Mohawk to Popular Culture. Griffin's Sword (talk) 23:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m a certain kind of user. I have no idea how to research and cite and properly format Wikipedia articles. I guess I just bring up the issues hoping someone with more time and enthusiasm than I might come along :-) Alexandermoir (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added the novel to Popular Culture. Griffin's Sword (talk) 14:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drums Along the Mohawk missing 

message: And why is there no mention of the town and lake named for him? 
https://www.brantny.com/ViewPosting.php?PostID=15 Alexandermoir (talk) 04:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Brant, New York is mentioned. Not sure if Brant Lake, New York or Brant Lake, South Dakota are named after Joseph Brant. Note that many towns and cities in Southern Ontario have a Brant Road, Brant Street or Brant Avenue. Griffin's Sword (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brant NY and Brant Lake…?