Talk:Naraka (Buddhism)

message: "A Naraka differs from the hells of Abrahamic religions in two respects. First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment; second, the length of a being's stay in a Naraka is not eternal, though it is usually very long."
:Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life. The Kabbalah explains it as a "waiting room" (commonly translated as an "entry way") for all souls (not just the wicked). The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.242.102.189 (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Judaism?

message: I don't understand why this article is being asked to double as an article about the Jain concept of Naraka, which, I am sure, differs from the Buddhist concept in both details and in general cosmological principles.  There is plenty of room for an article on Naraka (Jainism) if someone can be found who's qualified to write it. RandomCritic 17:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jainism?

message: "First, beings are not sent to Naraka as the result of a divine judgment and punishment" Most Buddhist sects that actually give a shit about the Chinese-derived concept of Narakas do believe that beings are sent there as the result of divine judgment. Namely, the judgment of Lord Yama. Not to mention that the concept of karma itself is a form of divine judgment. --75.49.222.55 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The concept is not "Chinese-derived". The characterization of karma as "a form of divine judgment" is highly dubious. RandomCritic 18:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's a Hindu presenting a Hindu view of a Buddhist concept. I advise that we just ignore him. Armyrifle (talk) 20:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The topic may indeed be more elaborated in particular Mahayanist views, but unless we are representing our prejudices, how is the identity or association of any *editor* relevant here?  Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 17:06, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Karma is not divine judgment. It's basically a natural law that positive karma leads to a higher rebirth, while negative karma leads to lower rebirth. In fact, some believe that the torments of the Narakas are created by the negative karma of the hell-beings! As for Yama, keep in mind that Diyu is not strictly a Buddhist concept, although there's entanglement and overlap. Xcalibur (talk) 06:34, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Not true

message: I had followed this link to find what I believe is the most important information about the "hell realms," which is the "sins" for which the inhabitants of those realms have come to be in them (Hungry Ghost, Animal, Demi-God, God...etc).
I cannot speak to the nomenclature here, as my only other language is French (though I maintain "ainsi, soit-il" is the most Dharma-conscious phrase in all of occidental thinking).
Perhaps this article would be better served by the explanation of such an "important" aspect of what the hell-realms (in which we walk daily, moving from one-to-the-other each minute of each day) actual entail and the "karmic sins" which bring one into those states of being. 
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SereneMajestic (talk • contribs) 01:31, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The short version is that negative karma leads to lower rebirth, while positive karma leads to higher rebirth. A significant karmic credit or debit could land you in the heavens or hells, respectively. As for Buddhist morality, that's alot to get into, but you should look into compassion, detachment, skillful means, and the noble eightfold path. Xcalibur (talk) 04:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What Earns One a Spot in 'Hell?'

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message: This article gives a decent, basic summary of the hell realms. However, it's not comprehensive. I've come across other hells besides the major ones (8 hot, 8 cold) which are not covered here. In particular, there's the ussada niraya, the neighboring/minor hells, which are adjacent to the major hells, and include a variety of punishments, such as the razor forest. Sources state that there are either 4 or 5 arranged on each side of a major hell, for a total of 16 or 20 (all together: 128 + 8 = 136, or 160 + 8 = 168).
One source  lists them as follows: (1) Gutha-niraya or the Filth Hell, (2) Kukkula-niraya or the Ember Hell, (3) Simpalivana-niraya or the Silk-cotton-tree Hell, (4) Asipattavana-niraya or the Sword-leafed-forest Hell; and (5) Vettarani-niraya or the Caustic River Hell.
Then there's the Lokantaras or Lokantarikas, or inter-world hells, which are described as walled-off, dark, empty, in-between places in the worlds of Buddhist cosmology. There may be 10 of these with 100s of millions of smaller hells attached, or they may be infinite (since world-systems are said to be infinite). This is not to be confused with the 8 dark "vivifying" hells (500 years in each one, then reborn in the next), or with the 84,000 miscellaneous/frontier hells, which are confusingly called "small lokantarika hells", and are divided into mountain/water/desert. 
This should be seen as preliminary/rough notes on this topic. As you might gather, it's rather difficult to pull all this together from disparate sources, especially when there's the Chinese tradition of Diyu muddying the waters, which I don't believe is strictly Buddhist; the stuff about the pool of blood, 18 hells & 10 courts, Yama as judge, etc all seem to be from Chinese folklore. Hopefully this post & its sources can be a useful starting point. Xcalibur (talk) 05:46, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ussada Niraya/Lokantarika 

message: "moreporks, known as kravyāda" in the text for Mahāraurava links to Morepork, which are inoffensive small owls from Australia and New Zealand, so presumably not the same thing. Tslumley (talk) 02:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moreporks 

message: already covered in the article Naraka (Buddhism). Redtigerxyz  Talk  16:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Eight Cold Hells]] into [[Naraka (Buddhism)]]