Talk:Bergen, New Netherland

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thread_title: Clutter

message: The chronology presented in the very early stages of this article is to establish the concept for it, and intended to give a view of where it might go.  It offers an opportunity to gather information and make sense of the variety of sources from which it has been collected.Djflem (talk) 21:36, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology

message: The Manatus Map is often cited to have been drawn in 1639 There are two versions of it, and have been later re-produced (and updated?) as late as 1670. The one shown here with a numbered key listing land-holdings, though fairly accurate, does not necessarily correspond with other documente and dates: 
*27. Bouwerie van van Vorst-1634
*28. v [sic] could this be land at Hoboken leased by van Vorst-1643?
*29. Bouwerie van Jan Evertsen--1633
*30. Plantage op de Latzer Hoeck-could this Plantation on the Last Hook correpsond to Constable Hook-1646? 
*31. Vrije Plantage op Powles Hoeck-1638-These "free" plantattion received as land patent as opposed to other property owned by WIC
*32. Plantage van Maerytensen-likely refers to the Meyndertsz settlement which was located on the western slope (cuesta) of the Palisades the east of the Hackensack River (Achter Col)
The Blau map (circa 1635) does cite Meynderts holding prior to construction Achter Col, though it is not shown on the detail included in this article. The "colonie van de Heer van Nederhorst", as he was known, is shown to include all of northern New Jersey into rockland and Orange Counties, New York.The structures shown along the Hudson, may or may not actually represent the farms/plantation at time but could be Communipaw, Paulus Hook, and Pavonia.
Interestingly, the Visscher Map (based on the Blau Map (not shown in this article)) is cited to be circa 1656. Both Bergen and Milfort (which was the name first given to the settlement at Newark in 1666) are located somewhere in the middle of the state very close to each other. It's likely the map was updated after the creation of the two towns as oppposed to the places receiving there names before settlement.
Unfortunately this map is not exactly correct as to the territory of the different totems/sungroups of Lenape, but does give an idea of the extent of the areas they settled. Until such time a better is found will let standDjflem (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps

message: In 1638, for her work as an emissary and tolk, Sarah Kiersted was deeded a large tract at Achinigeu-hach (or "Ackingsah-sack") (Hackensack River) by Oratam, a shrewd and sage sagamore of Hackensack Indians, though she declined to exploit it. http://www.BogotaOnLine.org  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.80.116.183 (talk) 01:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sara Kiersted?

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