Talk:List of Haitians

message: Alexandre Dumas, père's grandmother was from Saint-Domingue (before the area was called Haiti).  Does that make him a person who should be on this list?  What about his son, who was one-eighth "Saint Domingan"?  Dumas never actually visited the Americas.  How much of a link to Haiti should a person have to be on this list? --Ccady 07:36, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This is crazy. You have to be born in Haiti to be on the list, or immigrated and lived there.Student7 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Dumas be on this list?

message: For this type of list, a person must not only be notable (have an article), they must be known outside of Haiti. That is, a person cannot win a national athletic title, go on to the Olympics and win nothing and be here. They must have achieved something internationally, as well. Student7 (talk) 17:20, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Who made you Noah Webster when defining the word "notability"? There are many notable people not known outside of Haiti and vice-versa. The beauty pageant contestants were born in Haiti, and hence are Haitian. Haiti does not permit dual citizenship, and therefore they are Haitian unless the naturalize in another country. Stop removing these entries due to your mis-contrued definition of notability. Also DO NOT WRITE ON MY PAGE! Discuss on this page ONLY! --XLR8TION (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: this is not your page Xlr8, anyone is allowed to edit it I suggest you read WP:OWN and maybe WP:CIVIL as you are shouting in your edit summaries which is very uncivil--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text:  Please read article's first sentence This is a list of Haitians, notable people from Haiti. The list includes people recognized internationally for artistic, cultural, economic, historical, criminal, and political reasons, among others. The subjects are from Haiti and have been recognized international for their artistic contributions. Landing second place in a major beauty pageant known the world round is NOTABLE!--XLR8TION (talk) 18:23, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Uncivil, LOL. Please don't even go there. First of all warring editor seems to be in grade school as he cannot understand the list's purpose.  I have formally requested a dispute resolution and this weill be resolved, no thanks to you.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:24, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: of course your uncivil you shout in your edit summaries and you have an issue with WP:OWN, anyone can edit this article do not stop them--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:26, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently you're not that well-versed in the English language or the definition of many of it words from your typographical errors and lack of logic.--XLR8TION (talk) 18:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that supposed to be an insult, because if it is you better apologise. so what if my messages look unclear, I might not even speak english as a 1st language and as such have difficulties, its very rude to insult how I write!--Lerdthenerd wiki defender 18:43, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Throwing insults isn't going to get anybody very far. ~Adjwilley (talk) 21:01, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text: XLR8TION has used the word "internationally" above. This, of course, is the key to having a maintainable and meaningful list. The person must be known outside the country. Filling the list with 70 Miss Haiti Universe, 70 Haiti Miss Worlds, dozens of Presidents, justices (not just Supreme Court!), and every musical group and athlete, renders the list moot and unmaintainable. We need people the level of a Jean Lafitte, Christophe, and Toussaint Louverture, who most people outside Haiti have heard of. As for any article, we want to use material that will interest readers, and demonstrate the "best" of (in this case) Haiti. And avoid WP:NOTLINK, WP:NOTDIR, WP:NOTWHOSWHO. Student7 (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed that they should not be included for being Miss Haiti Universe winners. The question is: should they be included for being contestants (but not winners) in the international Miss Universe pageant? ~Adjwilley (talk) 20:44, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think they should be added. While both women won the "Miss Haiti Universe" pageant, I think they should be added IFF they were in the international beauty pageant and won it. Otherwise, they are not notable enough and would only clutter this list.Brian3030 (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Importance

message: Thanks for your work on reordering this list. Would like to question  the re-addition of Michel Clérié. He may (have been) notable inside Haiti, but never heard of him, nor do I see how his job would allow him fame on the international stage. As with the others, I'm not questioning his notability, just his inclusion here. Student7 (talk) 14:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Question at least one re-inclusion

message: A major contributor has rm the templates requesting that the notable be tied to Haiti directly. All articles in Wikipedia are, of course, stand-alone. That is, links may help the reader (and document the notability here), but can't help the editor in any way. We cannot use another Wikipedia article to justify another Wikipedia article. This is standard stuff. Citations which are germane to the notable having been born in Haiti, or lived there, must be found and copied here. Thanks. Student7 (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, being mayor of Plano, Texas or a US Congressperson or a Haitian minister of something, doesn't really qualify their presence here. Needs to be generally known outside of Haiti. Famous, not just an article (bio) on them in Wikipedia. Student7 (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Citation insertion has been upheld once again through WP:NLIST and WP:LISTPEOPLE. If there is disagreement with these policies, please discuss them there. Thanks.
Secondly, this seems like "desperation" list. "We might not be rich, but we have notable people." This too, is insufficient and sounds pathetic. There are some honestly notable people from Haiti and readers should be exposed to them. But most of them in article are just "people with articles," unknown outside of Haiti. Not really interesting to general reader, who will become dismayed after reading a few and skip rest of article. People should be known outside of Haiti. The remainer can be entered in Provincial or town article. Mayors anywhere except maybe New York City, are not notable outside of their city, and sometimes are excluded from that article. NYC has had, maybe a hundred mayors. You never heard of most of them!. Student7 (talk) 19:06, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: I did copyedit (or cleanup, really) per the November 2016 request and alphabetized the lists.  I shifted around a lot of material so will try to summarize my edit here:
*I sorted by the first part of hyphenated surnames, so Tony Bloncourt before Victoire Jean-Baptiste. In a case of pseudonyms like Sha Money XL (i.e.: where there is no surname) I alphabetized by the first part of the name. I checked the biography articles for any names with la or du and tried to be thorough but I may have missed some or mistaken part of a double surname for a middle name.
*a bit of MOS-compliance, little stuff like dashes and curlies.
*Some edits for conciseness in the long list.  I trimmed some "award winning" as most notable people are going to have some sort of award (it should not be a surprise that those in the literature category won or were nominated for the Haitian Literary Prize). I put date ranges in a xxxx–xxxx format and rephrased for conciseness where possible.
**It wouldn't be bad to have dates for the terms of presidents, reigns of kings and emperors
*I tried moving the pictures closer to the list entry for the person pictured, but couldn't figure out how to do it without "breaking" the list.
*Some of the sections are a little long.  Particularly Football.  It'd be more manageable if some of these could be split into sub-sections, perhaps active/retired/womens football or by league. Or otherwise removing those less-qualified for the list.
That's about it.  Let me know if you have any questions or comments. – Reidgreg (talk) 19:32, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hello Fellow Citizens & Wikipedians: I am wondering why the list for the academics section is so limited. I am sure there are more Haitians who have university appointments, contributed to the scientific community with their substantial peer-reviewed articles and to society in general with their community involvement. Before I add anybody, I would like to know what is your definition of academics for this list. Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rariste (talk • contribs) 08:27, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the academics list so limited? 

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