Talk:Simele massacre

message: I've moved this page to Simele massacre because it gets the higest amount of Google hits - 118, and even one hit at Google books. Wikipedia policy says that we should have titles at the most common name for something. That's why we have the article at Kishinev pogrom, and not "Chişinău pogrom". Same reason for Great Fire of Smyrna as well. —Khoikhoi 04:44, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Chaldean 19:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: This article has been reviewed against the good article criteria and has failed.  This is mainly because the article needs more references, better NPOV and should be better written.  The complete review is below.
Well Written: FAIL
*Your Government of Iraq wikilink goes to the Ba'athist and Allied occupation page - a page which makes no mention of government before Saddam.  Remove it or link to a more relevant page. - done
*The article is disjointed, commas are used too often.  A few examples:
:public animosity towards the Assyrians was ‘fever heat’, as American representative Paul Knabenshue was quoted - Why not say "the American representative in Iraq described public animosity towards the Assyrians was at 'fever heat', or not even name him and just cite the source - done
:Mar Shimun would eventually be exiled to Cyprus, thus forcing the head of the Assyrian Church of the East to be located in Chicago, to this day. - Get rid of the comma between "Chicago" and "to this day". - done
*The list of 54 villages adds nothing to the article.  Either leave in two or three of the biggest, or else cut them out entirely and leave only the statement In the end, around 63 Assyrian villages were targeted in the Simele area - referenced, of course. - done
Factually Accurate and Verifiable: FAIL
*Iraqi Independence and crisis section does not contain enough references.  The entire passage about the plan and motivations of Mar Eshai Shimun XXIII is entirely uncited.
On factual detail: 'In June 1933 [he] was [called for talks with] Hikmat Sulayman's government'.                              A check on the details of the latter states he was indeed Prime Minister, but in 1936-37 rather than 1933...                —Preceding unsigned comment added by Protozoon (talk • contribs) 01:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: I think we should mention that not all Iraqi christians, and to be more accurate not all Assyrians supported Mar sham'un in his agenda to make an independant Assyria. Also Chaldeans and Syriacs tried not to get invoved in this conflict.  and many of those Assyrians who envolved in this conflict were Imigrants from Iran (Urmia) and southern Turkey unlike other Iraqi christians (mostly Chaldeans and Syriac Orthodox)
you can refer to this source as well 
http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/2006/May/kadhimMay06.asp
:Iraqi was a lose term in 1933 because the country was so new. What is a Iraqi? One who lives in Iraq, right? Then Iraqis died in the pogram. Chaldean (talk) 00:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm the one who edited Assyrian genocide 

message: Who is he? anyone know anything about him? Izzedine   (talk) 13:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Khaldun S. Husry

message: Hello everyone, I am new on here so I apologize if I am doing something wrong.
While these killings were taking place, nearby Kurdish, Arab and Yazidi tribes were encouraged to loot Assyrian villages. Kurdish tribes of Gulli, Sindi and Selivani were encouraged by the mayor of Zakho to loot villages to the northeast of Simele,[30] while Yazidis and Kurds also raided Assyrian villages in Shekhan and Amadiya.[31] 
This has been taken from a false statement of a single report contradicted by contemporary Assyrian accounts. The alleged involvement of the Yazidis was wrongly cited by Ronald S. Stafford and was quickly called into question. For while he could name the exact tribes of the involved Arabs and Kurds as well as their locations, he could not say anything more about the allegedly involved Yazidis. It must be noted that Stafford was not a native and had no special relationship or knowledge regarding Assyrians, let alone regarding Yazidis. His report is considered very unreliable and contradicts the Assyrian reports. Assyrian reports refute Stafford's statements. In a contemporary British state document by B. H. Bourdillon from 17 April 1925, the relationship between Yazidis and Assyrians is well described. From the point of view of the Assyrians Bourdillon describes;
"I learn that David Mar Shimun, father of the Patriarch, is greatly agitated by our attack on Daud-I-Daud [Yezidi leader] and our conflict with the Yazidis generally. The Assyrians look upon the Yazidis as their allies against Islam, and they consider that this move to bring the Yazidis into order is the beginning of a final move to put the Christians and Yazidis definitely under the Arabs and Kurds."
The far more important work "The British Betrayal of The Assyrians" about this massacre was written by Yusuf Malek in 1935, who was himself a native Assyrian and had a good overview of the relations of the peoples there with each other. This report is considered very reliable, which is also shown by the fact that Malek is very critical of the British mandate and does not place all Kurds or Arabs under general suspicion. He reports on this massacre in a very differentiated way. Malek himself was an eyewitness and also referred to survivors and Assyrian eyewitnesses, some of whose accounts he quoted. He explicitly states that only Arabs and Kurds were involved. He did not know of a single Yazidi who took part in it.
Otherwise the relationship between Yazidis and Assyrians would have been disastrous after such an involvement. But the Yazidis and Assyrians still had very good relations in the region after this event. Malek reported:
"The Yazidis have petitioned the League of Nations and definitely stated that they would welcome an Assyrian enclave in the Mosul Liwa, and asked that their districts might be included in that enclave, as in this way alone they can feel secure.”
The allegation of a Yazidi involvement has been taken from an unreliable report. Finally, this assertion is itself refuted by primary Assyrian reports.
--Artafarnah (talk) 18:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  unreliable report regarding the massacres/looting 

message: This figure seems to be taken out of two highly dubious sources. The first, an Assyrian propaganda organization. The second, a very conservative, very right-wing and anti-Muslim magazine, that is marred with idiotic right wing controversies. Please take this figure down, and provide other, dependable sources.AhmadNN (talk) 20:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  6000 dead? 

message: Here's the search I did: (I ignored one MA thesis because it didn't meet WP:SCHOLARSHIP)
# Says deaths did not exceed 600, although "Some Assyrians still maintain that about 3,000 Assyrian men, women, arid children were killed at Summayl"
# "Nearly 1,000 men, women and children were killed by Iraqi armed forces – and their villages were looted by Kurdish tribesmen."
# "The total number of Assyrian victims of these events was estimated by British officials at about 600, but Assyrian sources put it at several thousand."
# "Assyrian sources put the number of dead at 3,000."
# "At other villages batches of men were killed, the total number aggregating 550."
I don't see much support for figures above 3,000 in the literature. The figures above 1,000 should be attributed to Assyrians. (t · c) buidhe 08:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties according to the first five Google Scholar