Talk:Cascade Volcanoes

message: The name of this article has recently been changed from "Cascade Volcanoes" to "Cascade Volcanic Belt", and the latter term has begun spreading to numerous other pages on Wikipedia.  However, this term is not widely accepted and it may not be an appropriate title, especially when the phrase is capitalized as a proper noun (as it is now).  The most common term among volcanologists is "Cascade Volcanic Arc" or simply "Cascade Arc", which is more appropriate than Belt because the region in question is a product of arc volcanism along a subduction zone.
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) states "The title: When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it."
Wikipedia:Naming conventions states "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature.  This is justified by the following principle: Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors; and for a general audience over specialists."  
Therefore we should use the title which has the widest acceptance in the volcanological community, as shown by publications in scientific journals and conferences, while at the same time the article should be easy to find for readers and to link to for editors.  So I checked several search phrases on GeoRef, the main research database in the field, to find out how widely used they are (these are not full-text searches, only titles and abstracts are available to be searched):
{| class="wikitable"	               	                      	
Search Phrase         	Published Works	Peer-Reviewed Journals	Phrase is Capitalized?
Cascade Arc           	98             	35                    	yes, sometimes
Cascades Arc          	36             	8                     	yes, sometimes
Cascade Volcanoes     	44             	9                     	none found
Cascades Volcanoes    	11             	2                     	none found
Cascade Volcanic Arc  	37             	11                    	yes, sometimes
Cascades Volcanic Arc 	15             	4                     	none found
Cascade Magmatic Arc  	7              	0                     	none found
Cascades Magmatic Arc 	1              	1                     	none found
Cascade Volcanic Belt 	4              	3                     	none found
Cascades Volcanic Belt	0              	0                     	-
Cascade Volcanos      	3              	0                     	none found
Cascades Volcanos     	0              	0                     	-
Some conclusions seem evident from these results:
* "Volcanoes" should be spelled with an "e" (but most people know that is the preferred form).
* In each of the pairs of phrases, the singular ("Cascade") is much preferred to the plural ("Cascades"), so we should use the singular version. 
* The current name, "Cascade Volcanic Belt", is not widely accepted and so is inappropriate for this article.  We need to change it.
* The top 3 contenders are "Cascade Arc", "Cascade volcanoes", and "Cascade Volcanic Arc".  We should use one of these terms as the title.
* Using either "Cascade Arc" or "Cascade Volcanic Arc" as a proper noun (capitalizing all words) is OK, since at least some publications do that, but not really so for "Cascade volcanoes".
Out of these three, "Cascade Arc" is not specific enough for the title of this article, which needs to contain some reference to volcanism.  So "Cascade volcanoes" and "Cascade Volcanic Arc" appear to be the only reasonable choices of title.  We should choose one of these two names by consensus and then modify any linked templates and individual volcano pages to reflect that consensus choice.  
Personally, I would vote for this article to be named "Cascade volcanoes" since it best meets the official policy, but I do like "Cascade Volcanic Arc" since it offers a more formal name as a proper noun.  
Within the text of articles, if a proper noun is needed, then "Cascade Volcanic Arc" is a much better choice than "Cascade Volcanic Belt".  It is favored by scientists because it is more accurate and apt for describing a 1200-km long example of arc volcanism like that in Cascadia, while "volcanic belt" usually refers to geographically smaller regions.  All references to "Cascade Volcanic Belt" in Wikipedia articles should probably be changed to Arc instead, for example in phrases such as "Mount Cayley is a volcano in the northern part of the Cascade Volcanic Arc."  I've already created a redirect page named Cascade Volcanic Arc in order to ease linking to the final choice of article title.  
By the way, I've been researching the Cascade volcanoes extensively for the past 8 years, and I've read or skimmed most significant books and scientific papers written about them since 1900.  I have over 500 photocopied or PDF papers about Cascade volcanoes in my files, along with at least 50+ books or guidebooks related to them.  So I do have an extensive background in this area.
I welcome your comments about which name we should choose.  I'm also happy to search for any other reasonable names on GeoRef.  Thanks.  --Seattle Skier 21:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Cascade Volcanic Arc would be the best name for the title because the Cascade Volcanic Belt actually has more then one volcanic belt, sush as the Garibaldi Volcanic Belt and the Pemberton Volcanic Belt which are the northern extension of the Cascade Volcanic Arc and it is more of a geologic name, as it is mentioned that the Cascade volcanoes are a geologic grouping. The Cascade volcanoes are also a chain of volcanoes near the edge of the continent that were formed by subduction, which is what a volcanic arc is. Black Tusk 23:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at Google (more general searches than techincal papers), "Cascade Volcanic Arc" returns 791, while "Cascade Volcanic Belt" returns 324. However, "Cascades Volcanoes" returns 57,000 results. If we look beyond technical literature, I believe that most people will search for and refer to "Cascade Volcanoes". I would recommend this term. hike395 03:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Went ahead and did the move. If this is objectionable, we can discuss further. hike395 03:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably a better idea if we move Cascade Volcanoes to Cascade Volcanic Arc because if you look at the other languages they seem to use Cascade Volcanic Arc insted of Cascade Volcanoes. I recommend we do the same. Also, the title is sort of misleading because not every thing in the arc is a volcano. There's lava flows, lava dams, rock formations, etc. The search mentioned above is most likely for volcanoes and nothing else. Any suggestions? Black Tusk 03:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the correct term for the Cascade volcanoes?  What title should the article have?

message: should there be a table, should they be listed after the names and locations? is this even a good idea? NargleFishHat 05:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Should elecations be included?

message: Should the article have anything about volcanic formations and not just volcanoes? Black Tusk 07:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me. hike395 06:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I just wanted to know because I know some articles that arn't volcanoes, sush as The Barrier. Black Tusk 09:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volcanic formations 

message: Should back-arc basins be included in the article? I know volcanoes in those regions arn't subduction-related, but the back-arc basins themselves are related to the Cascadia subduction (most likely related to continental rollback), such as the Chilcotin Plateau Basalts in British Columbia. Black Tusk 07:42, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Back-arc basin]]s 

message: I imagine that transclusion of the list of volcanoes might not be a good idea - since I imagine that it would be taxing to the database; but in this case it seemed to me that the article was listing at length what was included in this list in more compact form.  So, I've left it there by reference, instead of by substitution or link, for editors to decide what would be best in this case.  — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 23:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcluded list 

message: While perusing hte aritlce just now I noted the section on European names; I dind'nt add Baker's Spanish name partly because I'm not certain of it exactly - Gran Sierra de Nuestra Senora del Carmelo? - and partly because I wan'st sure if any of the others had also been named by the Spanish.  I'll check the Spanish name and correct it here, but if anyone thinks it would be "overburden" to inclue it please say so and I'll just leave it here for further deabet, otherwise say if it should be added to the article...Skookum1 (talk) 00:40, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think adding it to the Mount Baker article would be fine, although perhaps not in the lead: it is purely an historical name. hike395 (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baker's Spanish name

message: I was quite surprised to find the same list of Cascade volcanoes both here and at List of Cascade volcanoes. Generally, having the same data replicated in two articles is not a good idea, because they can drift due to separate editing. Having the lists in the main article also adds to the download size (making it difficult for people to use WP on their phones, for example).
I propose to remove the lists from the end of this article, keeping the pointer to the list article. 
Thoughts? hike395 (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You shouldn't delete the list if no one replies. I think keeping it. Black Tusk (talk) 02:37, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I jumped the gun: it is easy to revert, if we decide otherwise. I'm curious: why do you want to keep the list? hike395 (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really have a problem if the list is not in the article, but this has already been partly discussed by User:Mkmcconn. If he kept the transcluded list in the article then he must have wanted the list in the article as well. And if the article gets a major expansion it will probably add to the download time and it will be slow again. Black Tusk (talk) 23:58, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

text:  Whatever you think best is fine with me. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove lists from main article

message: The article currently states there are twelve volcanoes in the arc over 10,000 ft (3,000 m) in elevation. However, if Silverthrone is included, there would be thirteen volcanoes over 10,000 ft (3,000 m) in elevation because according to the Geological Survey of Canada and Global Volcanism Program, Silverthrone exceeds an elevation of 10,000 ft (3,000 m). BT (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I count 12 including Silverthrone; 1 in BC, 4 in Washington, 5 in Oregon, and 2 in CA. Which one am I omitting? Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:56, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I must have miscounted them then. BT (talk) 16:44, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volcanoes over 10,000 ft in elevation 

message: Does anyone know how much the term Cascade Volcanoes is used? As far as I'm concerned, "Cascade Volcanoes" is not normally used in geological papers. "Cascade Volcanoes" is generic and it is a confusing term in the first place. If you speak it, it is not necessarily obvious whether you mean "Cascade Volcanoes" or "Cascade volcanoes", making it tough to tell what the person is discussing. "Cascade volcanoes" can easily refer to volcanoes in the Cascade Range or volcanoes in the Cascade Arc. Another reason "Cascade Volcanoes" is an awkward term is because not everything in the Cascade Arc is a volcano. It also includes lava flows, dikes, intrusions and other volcanological formations, which is probably why geologists do not commonly use the term "Cascade Volcanoes" for the Cascade Arc in the first place. Also, "Cascade Volcanoes" looks awkward in the "volcanic_arc/belt" section of the mountain infobox because it does not use "arc" or some other volcanological term in its name. BT (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: On the Cascade volcanoes page it says "42 times larger than the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens." However, on the Mount Mazama page it says "The eruption, estimated to have been 420 times more powerful than Mount St. Helens' 1980 blast". Which is correct?
Jlea9378 (talk) 20:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  7700 BP Eruption of Mount Mazama 

message: User:Volcanoguy has proposed changing the targets for Cascades and Canadian Cascades to Cascade Volcanoes and Canadian Cascade Arc, respectively. You are welcome to join the discussion here. Thanks! —hike395 (talk) 09:53, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to change redirection targets for [[Cascades]] and [[Canadian Cascades]] 

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message: The current title of this article is a misnomer given the fact that not everything in the Cascade Arc is a volcano. It is also not a commonly used name in scientific literature. The most common name used among volcanologists is "Cascade Volcanic Arc" or simply "Cascade Arc". It is also the preferred name in Cascade volcano articles. Renaming this article to Cascade Arc or Cascade Volcanic Arc would also make more sense because no other volcanic arc article uses "XXXX Volcanoes"; see :Category:Volcanic arcs. Volcanoguy 19:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
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