Talk:Xia–Shang–Zhou Chronology Project

message: This Wikipedia article was created in toto based on Lee's article.  There is no original research or unreferenced information in it.  Elijahmeeks 20:54, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Legitimacy of XSZ Project Criticism

message: I believe that an article of this nature needs more source citations than what's currently on the page. So, I added a refimprove tag. MastaFighta (talk) 04:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is also a problem with undue weight regarding the controvercy section, which seems to mainly consist of negative (rather fringe-like) views by a non-expert. In a dating debate that involves so many authoritative and well-cited scholars, the heavy focus on this source is questionable. I have tagged for that problem as well. This article is in dire need of expert attention to get into shape. Sophiasghost (talk) 22:19, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Stephenson is an astronomer, the world's leading authority on ancient eclipses, and the author of the standard text in this field (Cambridge, 1997).  Keenen is a mathematician who has published several peer-reviewed papers in archaeological science.  If you know of peer-reviwed literature that rebuts their work, then you should cite it.  Until then, the citations should stay as they are.  62.253.36.4 (talk) 06:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with my predecessor! This article is based in toto on Lee's article. Adding a tag is so easy. If those tagging people actually read Lee's article, they should notice he writes in a rather neutral and unbiased way. He even accepts nationalism as a drive to start this project, because there was no pushing back of dates (to make Chinese history look older). His main objection is about the basic, fundamental, and not to be discussed point of view on which all research of the project was based: archaeological and astronomical results remained subordinate to traditional written sources. This remains a flaw in the project, although the research itself was unique, especially the cooperation of scholars from so different scientific fields. So, that's why Lee objects the linear succession of the three oldest dynasties, a viewpoint even left by famous historians like Su Bingqi (mantian xingdou, 满天星斗, a starry sky). Also, that's why astronomers object the astronomical data given by the Project. The preliminary report was published in 2000, the definitive report should follow soon, but didn't appear until now. So there remains hope! Guss2 (talk) 10:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refimprove Tag Added 

message: This edit has a number of problems:
* It removes a substantial chunk of sourced text.
* It attributes criticisms to a country (the US), but they come from several academics and news outlets.  Nor are all of these in the US.
* It says that Nivison disputed something, when the link says no such thing.  He said the project was motivated by a desire for exact dates, but to claim that is disputing something someone else said is original research.
* The statement "politics does not play a role in the running of the project" has a different meaning from what Lee said: "politics do not play a role in the specific details of the chronology project."
Kanguole 14:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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