Talk:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida

message: Of Sunshine of Your Love by cream released year before, why is that not mentioned? 195.215.223.253 (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it isn't a cover! The three chromatically-descending notes at the end of the main riff of this song were admittedly inspired by a similar three-note sequence in the middle of the "Sunshine" riff, but there the similarity ends - different riff, different vocal melody, different lyrics, different song. Cortexo Modesto (talk) 19:31, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Apropos of this discussion and some others here, I remember that this article once had more description of the music, including notes on a staff showing the main riff. I suppose that isn't notable any more. Wastrel Way (talk) 19:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  This song is a cover 

message: I noticed this page seemed to be encompassing both the album and the song, so I moved it and created a new page with the album info.  Foxmulder 18:24, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Album

message: The song features a memorable, "endless, droning minor-key riff,"[2] guitar and bass ostinato, 
True enough.
which is repeated throughout nearly the entire length of the song.
No, it's not.  
The "song" part, 2 minutes at the beginning and 2 minutes at the end, is about half riff, and half chorus and stuff.  From 2:00 to 6:22, there are solos over the riff.  From 6:22 (the drum solo) to 15:00 (the last verse) the riff only appears for thirty seconds, from 12:30 to 13:00.  So in total there's about 7 minutes of riff and 10 minutes of not-riff.  24.17.178.36 (talk) 20:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, I clocked it myself and it came in at only about six minutes and twenty seconds of the riff. I put in a temporary correction to that part and am about to do a minor rewrite so that it all makes sense.--Martin IIIa (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Riff

message: Why is there an unexplained redirect from the word Heavy to this article? Does "Heavy" have some particular signifigance to Iron Butterfly fans or to this song/album? Vadder 16:15, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Heavy

message: What about the silly controversy regarding playing the song backwards?  The closest thing I can make out to a "secret, backwards message" in this particular song is "you will all die" but it's clear that the whole backwards-message phenomenon is an urban legend.
Are you saying all backwords messages are urban legans? Because that's just not true. There are numerous documented backwords songs in beatles songs (Look for "Paul is dead" on wikipedia) alone that I do not think could be coincidence. Obviously the whole "Paul is dead" thing is nothing more than a silly joke being played on the fans by those silly brits. User:Foolster41
The Paul is Dead "clues" are incredibly vague and have never been confirmed. - User:Judynue
"Here's to my sweet Satan" is clearly audible in "Stairway to Heaven. The band claims not to have used "backwards masking". I have played the song backwards on LP, as well as using audio software and a CD version. It occurs in the line "There's still time to change the road you're on".
-seanWM-  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.151.189 (talk) 03:24, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Backwards

message: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida is referenced in another Simpsons episode - Homer catches the end of the song on his car radio as the DJ announces, "That was a rare, extended version of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida", obviously playing on the fact that the song is very long to begin with.203.23.57.129
No, the joke would rather more obviously be that, with radio normally playing the 3' single version, the DJ was ignorant of the popularity of the original, "uncut" version.--JeR (talk) 07:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Simpsons reference 

message: Is this riff really in 4/4?  I don't have the recording in front of me, but I remember it sounding as though it were in 2/2.  Is the score snippet from some reasonably valid source? BrianTung (talk) 19:06, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Youse guys can relax, the discussion of music has been removed in favor of references to a movie and The Simpsons. I am in favor of restoring it. Wastrel Way (talk) 19:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical score snippet 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.jpg

message: Could we have a few more lovely tags on this article, please?  How about "Article about a song which is unpopular in Nagorny-Karabach".  And please don't justify the tag on the discussion page. Maikel (talk) 08:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More tags!

message: How does the article resemble a fansite? Hyacinth (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't.  I removed the tag. Viriditas (talk) 11:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fansite

message: There are numerous fact tags in the article indicating what presumably needs to be verified and cited. Anything else? Hyacinth (talk) 12:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Refimprove

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Boney M. - Children Of Paradise (1980 single).jpg

message: What made this particular drum solo unique was its surreal tribal sound.
I assume this is a technical term, but is it entirely appropriate here? This solo sounds rather martial/military to me. It's in march time, isn't it? I always assumed the musician had worked in or at least studied military drumming.
Just a thought.--Cdavis999 (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drum Solo - 'Tribal'? 

message: The instrumental and drum solo portions of the song underscore a significant section in the middle of "La Femme Nikita" episode "Sympathy For The Devil" (Season 4, Episode 7), which deals with Viet Nam vets and drug use (nicely tying together both the era and psychedelia). Not having heard the song all the way through since sometime in junior high, I'm not at all sure what bits of the song they cut into the soundtrack, but it was instantly recognizable.
Nyghtheron (talk) 00:25, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  pop culture reference "La Femme Nikita" 

message: It was common, back in the day, for Radio DJ's to play this song, because of its length, so they could use the restroom or do other time-consuming things. • Sbmeirow • Talk •  21:06, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio DJ 

message: In one scene Larry is drugged with "orgasmic powder". At the beginning of his trip, an excerpt of this song is played. --91.60.247.214 (talk) 19:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop culture reference [[Leisure Suit Larry: Love for Sail!]] 

message: "A run on a gypsy scale" Huh?Frank Lynch (talk) 03:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gypsies. Them damned GYPSIES! 

message: hello all, just wondered why no-one has mentioned the use of this song in Michael Mann's Manhunter ( the first hanibal leckter film). It is a great example of Mann's ability to fit existing music into a scene, or make the scene fit the song. Also Hip hop is dead is a great song making good use of a gadda da vida sample, sorry but I like both. XV106 (talk) 22:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manhunter and Nas 

message: The current article (July 2016) discusses a particular 5:04 edit of the song as being the definitive edit:
Another edit, supplied to some radio stations, runs at 5:04. It includes the first verse, about 20 seconds each of the organ and guitar solos, part of the drum solo segueing into the drum/bass solo, the final verse, and the closing of the song. It is considered to be a definitive edit of the song.
I have not heard of such an edit nor could I found any evidence of such an edit.  Apart from searching for this version, I checked all 178 albums, 35 singles and 1 Mexican EP on discogs.com, 56 albums on rateyourmusic.com and all singles on 45cat.com.  If the main details for each of those 300+ total releases did not have the track length, I checked the release images, when present, for the track length.  Only one of them had a studio (I assume) release around 5:04 in length - this Netherlands single at 4:57 (catalogue: Atlantic 2091 213).  It is worth noting that discogs.com and 45cat.com are particularly good for finding promo and radio-station-only releases and that, between the main details and release images, the vast majority of singles had track lengths.  The vast majority of singles with track lengths were the normal 2:52 single though there were several others, 3:10 being the most common.
There is a 5:12 live version that appeared on a single released in France in 1968.  This version can be found on the B-side of this release (catalogue: ATCO 10.048).  The single media label has the description "(Instrumental Featuring Drums And Organ)".  Another 5:12 version, quite likely the same one, appears on European CD releases like this one (catalogue: Salvo SALVOCD071).  It is described on the back cover as "French B-Side Live Edit" and on the front cover (sticker?) as "live instrumental edit".
There are no, or scant, references on the web to a 5:04 studio edit.  As the article describes it as "definitive", I assume it is a studio edit so the 5:12 live edit is likely not the edit the article is referring to.  The 4:57 Netherlands edit could be this edit but that is far from certain.  As such, I feel stating that this edit is "definitive" is dubious.  If there were sufficient consensus to consider calling it the definitive edit on Wikipedia, one would expect at least some discussion on the web if not actual releases with said version.
As such, I have added a citation needed tag in the article referring to the talk page.
Wantnot (talk) 06:47, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "It is considered to be a definitive edit of the song." is just WP:WEASEL WORDS anyway. I'm going to delete that sentence, while retaining the citation needed tag because we do need a source that the radio edit as described actually exists.--Martin IIIa (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitive radio-station/5:04 edit of song? 

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message: This was mentioned quite a few times during the run of the series Home Improvement. Could that be mentioned? Charlotte Allison (Morriswa) (talk) 20:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Home Improvement'' 

message: Korean psychedelic rock musician Shin jung hyeon covered this song in his 1970 live album In A Kadda Da Vida.
In Wikipedia's article "Shin Jung Hyeon", You can see this album. LSM1204 (talk) 02:58, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:SONGCOVER. Sundayclose (talk) 03:27, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shin jung hyeon's cover version 

message: On 1 December 2017, German drummer Sina Doering released an international collaboration on her YouTube channel, Sina-drums. This 17-minute effort included musicians from Romania and the United Kingdom, none of whom were present with her in a single studio. Instead, video feeds from each collaborator were edited together to create a virtual online band. Featured were Christian Wolf on bass guitar and vocals; 14-year-old Andrei Cerbu from Iasi, Romania, on guitar; Rick Benbow from Canterbury, UK, on keyboard; and Sina on drums. Video production was performed by German music producer Mike Wilbury, Sina’s father.
Typofixer76 (talk) 03:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sina-drums version 

message: Does anyone know why the "Boney M singles" section was added to the page?  There's nothing in that list that seems to refer to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, and no other references to Boney M that I can find.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.90.158 (talk) 23:53, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Take a look at Children of Paradise (song). It is also mentioned in the  navbox. —BarrelProof (talk) 01:19, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was once an entire section on the Boney M cover (see the state in 2011 here), but gradually the Boney M. references have been whittled away until all that is left is the navbox and category, that now seem entirely out of place. I was thinking of getting rid of these vestiges. But reading the old version, I also see a lot more musical analysis - sadly unsourced - so I hesitate to do anything at the moment. Looking for a decent source for a musical analysis. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 02:51, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The presence of Boney M in this article 

message: This song plays a significant role in the ending of Michael Mann's Manhunter. Should be added as a pop culture reference. 167.179.149.141 (talk) 13:42, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:IPCV, you'll need a secondary source that discusses this claim. DonIago (talk) 15:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significance of songs presence in the film Manhunter (1986) 

message: It has become "common knowledge" that the phrase "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" is a mush-mouthing of "In The Garden Of Eden" - even band members have said so over the years. However, when Iron Butterfly played a two-night stand at the Fillmore East in April 1968 - one month before recording "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" in the studio - they performed the number each night, and both times Doug Ingle introduced it as "In Our Gadda-Da-Vida," pointedly stressing the word "Our." "In Our Garden Of Eden" makes more sense in terms of the lyric, which doesn't mention Adam or Eve - and why would Adam have needed to woo Eve, anyway? I'm tempted to re-write the opening paragraph of the article to reflect this, but I'm not sure how crediting a recording as a source would go over here! (Rhino Records released the Fillmore East recordings as a 2CD set in 2011.) Cortexo Modesto (talk) 19:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The easiest option would probably be to find a secondary sources that commented on this. In fact, without such a source, I'm a little worried that we're leaving the matter to how people would hear the recording. Hope this is helpful! DonIago (talk) 20:33, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A source for "our" would be helpful. As it is known now the song is set in the garden of Eden, so Adam is singing to Eve. Yet "our" makes sense as poetic and romantic language. Since Ingle is still alive it would be nice if someone who next interviews him gets an explanation from the horse's mouth. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  In OUR Garden of Eden 

message: It was recorded by Slayer and put on the Less Than Zero movie soundtrack. Not sure this helps the overall article; just a tangential fact. Cheers BillD207 (talk) 00:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:SONGCOVER, it shouldn't be added to the article unless the cover specifically has had some significant discussion in sources. DonIago (talk) 04:04, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It is mentioned in sources at the Less than Zero (soundtrack) page. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If the coverage is limited to a "mention", that's likely insufficient. DonIago (talk) 05:30, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems enough to add Less than Zero to the 'In popular culture' section though, although would it fit there if the recording is not the original but a cover? Randy Kryn (talk) 13:16, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, please read WP:IPCV, and especially the footnote referencing the RfC on the matter; a 'mention' is generally not enough to add something to an 'in popular culture' section. Secondly, as we are talking about a song cover here, WP:SONGCOVER seems like the more appropriate guideline. DonIago (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SONGCOVER is a Wikiproject guideline. But since it is a cover then the actual song that the article is about, Iron Butterfly's version, you are probably right that it is too trivial to mention in the popular culture section. It's not easy to cover this song, I've seen it tried (having seen the much longer original performance three or four times in 1967) and the only one close is a woman playing drums on youtube (this one, link, although it's much shorter than the original in-person performances which would last maybe 45 minutes). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slayer Cover 

message: Per WP:IPCV, and especially the footnote linked from there which points to an RfC, the Futurama reference in "in popular culture" should either be supported by a secondary source that demonstrates that the reference is considered significant, or it should be removed. WP:BLUESKY, which  is pointing to as justification for retaining it, is an essay that is not, as far as I'm aware, supported by an RfC.
If there is no further comment here, I will proceed with removing it after a reasonable amount of time has passed. DonIago (talk) 04:16, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BLUESKY means that something so obvious does not have to include a reference. In this case the connection goes beyond the similar imitative name but has a purpose: the Futurama episode concerns a two-person population of a planet, such as Adam and Eve in the Biblical sense for Earth, which, not surprisingly, is the subject of the song. The connection between the two is self-evident, hence BLUESKY. It doesn't need a source to ascertain this connection (although the page link itself acts as a source). Are you proposing that an RfC be held to clarify the purposeful similarity? Randy Kryn (talk) 11:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm proposing that, per the links I previously provided, a secondary source needs to be provided to establish that this is considered a significant reference to the song. Otherwise Citizen Kane could be littered with every time The Simpsons, much less any other media, referenced it. Have you reviewed the RfC linked off WP:IPCV, and if so, can you tell me why you believe that the findings there do not apply here? DonIago (talk) 14:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is more than a reference to the song. The episode, titled in emulation of the song, follows the concept of two people becoming the 'Adam and Eve' of a non-Earth planet. Its prominence in-regards to the song is by acknowledging the song, its premise, and its recognizability in culture as relates to Adam and Eve symbolism. BLUESKY would apply here, even if an essay it holds a relevant point-of-view that creates such exceptions. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:10, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Your claim that the episode follows the plot of the song is exactly the kind of thing that should be supported by sources, especially since you're implying that the similarity is intentional. You're adding your own interpretation here, which is the definition of original research. Please provide a source or remove this. And frankly, adding a source would be a lot less of a burden on us and any other editors who might be drawn into this than continuing to argue over the need for one. DonIago (talk) 16:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , just saw this. No, I didn't say the plot follows the song, nor have I added any original research to the article. The similarity between the two is the Adam and Eve concept - a male and female being the first to occupy a planet. The title is an obvious reference to the song, and by obvious, I mean WP:BLUESKY obvious. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: As I've tried to explain, the question isn't whether the name of the episode is a reference to the song; the question is whether that's objectively considered a significant reference to the song, just as we don't include every reference made in media to Citizen Kane but only ones that are considered significant, as established via secondary sources. BLUESKY is immaterial. Please read the RfC that's mentioned at WP:IPCV - "The consensus is very clear that a secondary source is required in almost all cases. A tertiary source is even better, if available. In the rare case that a primary source is judged to be sufficient, it should be properly cited. The source(s) cited should not only establish the verifiability of the pop culture reference, but also its significance." If this isn't satisfactory for you, you're welcome to request additional opinions, or I am happy to do so. DonIago (talk) 07:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Futurama "in popular culture" reference