Talk:Manchester derby

message: The authors have failed to acknowledge the  book on this topic which covers the derby in detail (see below0. Do they know about this? 
"The Pride of Manchester" Cawley, S. and James, G. Publ ACL Polar 
:I'm the main contributor to this article (so far). I know of that book and would very much like to get my hands on a copy. Unfortunately its out of print, and the last time I looked on Amazon second hand copies were going for silly money. If you have access to a copy of the book, contributions to the article would be welcome. Oldelpaso 22:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The authors 

message: Might it be worth a mention of the FC United v Maine Road derby of the North West Counties league? Disenfranchsed United Fans' Club v City Supporters Club! Blogdroed 19:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps. It hasn't happened yet so it might be best to wait and see what happens and what media coverage it gets. Will definitely add that matches between the reserve teams are termed "mini-derbies" though. Oldelpaso 19:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mini derby? 

message: According to multiple sources the 19 August league match was the 148th competitive meeting between United and City.  . Yet the sentence in the article reads, "As of 19 August, 2007 there have been 149 competitive meetings between the teams. United have won 60 and City 40, with the most recent game resulting in a 1-0 win for City." And then you look at the statistics table... according to it there have been 40 City wins, 49 draws, and 58 United wins. Add those numbers up and you get 147. So the article is wrong twice. --Tocino 18:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Must have been changed twice after the derby at the end of the last season, and the table not changed at all. The one just gone was the 137th League meeting + 6 FA Cup, 4 League Cup, 1 Charity Shield = 148. It'd be a lot easier to reference if mcfcstats.com wasn't done in Flash. Oldelpaso 20:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics are wrong 

message: Can anyone tell me before I have to look up every game, what would be the cumulative scores since 1992. I am a city fan so be gentle with me but tell me the truth. Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.176.252 (talk) 11:57, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't get all the earlier results from 1992-1995, but I can get the results below:-
*December 1992 United 2-1 City
*April 1994 United 2-0 City
*November 1994 United 2-0 City
*October 1995 United 1-0 City
*February 1996 United 2-1 City (FA CUP)
*April 1996 City 2-3 United
*August 2000 United 2-0 City
*April 2001 United 1-1 City
*November 2002 City 3-1 United
*February 2003 United 1-1 City
*December 2003 United 3-1 City
*March 2004 City 4-1 United
*November 2004 United 0-0 City
*February 2005 City 0-2 United
*September 2005 United 1-1 City
*January 2006 City 3-1 United
*December 2006 United 3-1 City 
*May 2007 City 0-1 United
*August 2007 City 1-0 United
*February 2008 United 1-2 City
*TOTAL United 29-21 City
Hope this helps DAAdshead (talk) 16:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The result if all Premiership matches had been played consecutively 

message: What is everyones opionion of the graph i created?
MotorSportMCMXC (talk) 17:57, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Graph

message: I started editing to make the all time results look better and more standard with the result pages of other derby pages. Its just been reverted. I'd like to open up a discussion. 
Personally I think the whole city at home, united at home looks ugly. There are no cup games included.
My version would have all games listed, with goalscorers and attendances listed.
Xenomorph1984 (talk) 21:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: All time results

message: Making constructive edits on this page is frustrating. There are Wikipedia editors (naming no names in particular) on here who do nothing but delete other editors work because simply they don't like it which ultimately hinders improving the quality of the page. Yet I don't ever remember them making a constructive edit on this page. Stevo1000 (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the user talk discussion between you and PeeJay but figured replying here would make more sense. Over various points in my time on WP I've made multiple attempts at knocking this article into shape, only to get writers block after a mere couple of paragraphs. Achieving a sense of narrative flow is a real challenge, as I don't want to resort to a dreary "in year, this was the result, in year+1 the score was X." Ideally my next move (after completing the summary of cup matches that I started but didn't finish) would be continue the history section where I've only gone up to 1907. I'd like to convey the transition in the balance of power from United's first great team under Mangnall, through to his cross-town switch and the chain of events that ultimately led to the two clubs conspiring to keep Manchester Central out of the league. Unfortunately every time I attempt to draft something on it I merely end up with a hotchpotch that exposes the limits of my writing skills. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A plea to those who frequently edit on here 

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The 1-6 score was the biggest defeat suffered by Manchester United at Old Trafford since 1955 and the first time they had conceded six goals at home since 1930. 
Im confused as to how it can be their biggest defeat since 1955 if they havent conceded six goals at home since 1930
This information also conflicts with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Manchester_United_F.C._records_and_statistics#Matches where the more recent loss (1931) of 0-7 to Wolves would be relivant
Theres also no information of a notable loss in 1955 on the records & stats page
--MattMPh (talk) 22:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You'r right and need to rewrite it, on 10 Sep 1930 they lost 0-6 to Huddersfield Town, and yesterday was another time they conceded six goals at home, while the biggest defeat suffered by Manchester United against City since 12 Feb 1955 was a 0-5 lose.   – HonorTheKing (talk) 03:42, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite, HTK, but almost. The 1955 statistic is not about solely City games. The actual stat for 1955 is that that game was their biggest home defeat to any team since 1955, when they lost 5-0 to Sheffield United. 1930 was the last time they conceded six goals at home to any team, in the league - the 7-0 against Wolves was an FA Cup match. Falastur2 Talk 10:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but thats not fully true, as United lost at home 2-7 to Sheff Wed in FA Cup in 1961. so the 1955 still need a reword (against City only OR leagues only) if not removal (as a diff team scored more just six years later). See source   – HonorTheKing (talk) 10:33, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 onwards 

message: After the recent edit war perhaps a slightly changed wording is needed. The map on the right doesn't show just Manchester, but neither does it show the county in its entirety. How about striking for the middle ground (proposed wording currently under the map on the right).
On a separate note, while the caption is a bit long it would be off-set my making the image larger. At it's current size the labels are very difficult to make out which is why the image is so much larger here. It would take up a sizable chunk of the article, but on my screen the next image is more than two screens down. Nev1 (talk) 14:01, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location map 

message: Please explain what you mean by kits are rubbish in this edit (Price Zero|talk 06:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean they're not representative of anything. The kits they play in aren't at all relevant to the derby itself, so why put them in? – PeeJay 09:31, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong point, But here me out. In every time they face together they wear their home kit. Not away nor third kit. I think, it is like tradition. Like symbol, to give an idea that they are in home, anyway in Manchester. Your thoughts? - Price Zero|talk 11:27, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If we could use their actual kits, I might agree, but these approximations add little to the article. If a reader wants to know what colours each team plays in, they should go to the team articles. – PeeJay 11:35, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kits are rubbish 

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message: Why is the font so small in the second half of the article? Does somebody know how to change this as I can't seem to do so? Please help out if you can.Davefelmer (talk) 05:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The font doesn't seem small to me. Can you post a screenshot? – PeeJay 11:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: It was always my understanding that we were omitting any player who never actually recorded an appearance for one (or both) teams. I disagree with players like Freddy Veseli and even Jadon Sancho being on there because they didn't actually appear for both teams in a competitive match - Sancho will, of course, inevitably be added in a few days when he actually has. If we add players with no actual appearances then you end up going down a rabbit hole of "well this player sat on the bench for a first team friendly on one occasion" and in my personal experience that's a path which ends up with "this guy was a part of City's academy between the ages of 4 and 6 and then trialled for United when he was 12 so he has to be included too!" Falastur2 Talk 19:43, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Ryan Giggs is a prime example: he was at Man City's academy for a couple of weeks when he was 14 before spending his entire professional career with United. Players should have to have made at least one appearance for both clubs to qualify for these lists. – PeeJay 22:54, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players who played for both teams 

message: In the paragraph regarding 2001 there is a mistake about calling the 2001 Derby the last match before COVID restrictions. The last Derby match before COVID restrictions was the prior-year, on 8th March 2020, when when Anthony Martial and Scott McTominay scored for United to win 2-0, referenced in the prior paragraph. 2601:600:8500:32E0:FC6F:1DE7:F301:88B2 (talk) 21:14, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last match before COVID restrictions... 

message: Someone vandalised the page statistics 41.114.150.143 (talk) 20:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Somebody appears to have sabotaged the Biggest Win stat, replacing the existing 5-goal margin victories for both City & United with a wartime game from 1941 with no source. ER90s (talk) 10:23, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong stat