Talk:Peaked cap

message: Is there an article about the equivalent headgear for women? Sergeantgiggles (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Female headgear

message: There are some versions of service caps that are listed as "Pershing caps" in some internet catalogs.  What is the origin of this term?  It is noteworthy that in the Philippines, service caps are usually called "Pershing caps." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.141.47 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pershing cap

message: Please improve this article by including information about the origin of American policemen's  8-point service cap, and also please explain why American firemen use the old-fashioned Bellcrown cap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.141.47 (talk • contribs) 09:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Police and fire fighters

message: The first line of this article states that "forage cap" is an alternate name for the peaked cap.  I've always taken that term to mean the wedge cap, and that article also uses it.  Are both correct?  Rojomoke (talk) 16:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Peaked caps are known as Forage caps in certain British Army regiments, particularly the Guards Division and the Household Cavalry of the Household Division. It is otherwise commonly known as the No.1 Dress Cap (and is also worn with other ranks No.2 dress uniform). --Panzer71 (talk) 15:56, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forage Cap 

message: How are peaked caps measured?   If there is more than one circumference (say, at the base where the headband is, and above it, where the seams are cinched in), does it tend to be measured in millimeters or sixteenths of an inch?
Since the upper part of the hat rises up from the headband, can the angle of inclination be specified?
Are there any mail order outfits in the United States that sell peaked hats for novelty purposes, or as props for movies?
The main article could be improved by adding some links to manufacturing sites where peaked caps are sold.   216.99.201.70 (talk) 17:34, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measurements and prevailing standards 

message: This is a great article. But I came to it to learn about the way that the height or "peakedness" varies between nations. I was just looking at a picture of Manuel Noriega wearing a very tall cap. :File:General Manuel Noriega.jpg (probably deleted soon). I also recall the high, wide caps favored in the Soviet Union in its later decades. :File:DYazov1989.jpg I guess it's all arbitrary fashion, but if anyone comes across a sources which discusses this please add something.   Will Beback  talk   10:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Variations in height

message: There is nothing that wrong with the article, except for the ! blurb, which should be removed. Also whomever worded the link to baseball cap was confused. Just because the British word for visor is "peak," that does not relate it to baseball caps which have a visor. Many caps have a visor, or "peak." The word peak in peaked cap obviously refers to the high point in front. God only knows what the British call that. So take off the silly "this article needs improvement." I would do it myself but I don't want to tangle with some officious editor. Mea (talk) 06:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we remove the silly exclamation mark 

message: The article would confuse a person who didn't understand that the hat rises to a peak in the front. Somebody got infatuated  with the British word "peak" which apparently means "visor." You wiki people are so infatuated with citations for even the most obvious assertions, where is the citation for that? I will re-word the article so that it is less confusing if there is no blowback from my current change. I am going on a trip to climb a mountain visor. When I return I will check the article again...Mea (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More removal of confusion about peak is needed 

message: I don't want to add more pictures onto a page that is already saturated with imagery, but holy cow, how do you not include the North Korean cap which is distinct of superlative in dimension on the top portion. 
Observe in this image shamelessly linked from Huffington Post:
* Ridiculously Large Hats of North Korean Generals  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.118.231 (talk) 12:59, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: North Korean Peaked Caps

message: Could someone knowledgeable say something about the distinctive part of the typical men's version of military and law-enforcement hats; i.e. the bit sticking up at the top (BSUATT) and which, infamously, is particularly prominent on some contemporary North Korean military headgear. In case an example is needed, I'm referring to probably the most obvious difference between the woman's version of the US naval cap shown in the article, and the three men's versions at the same place.
For example: What is the BSUATT actually called; is it just the "top part of the crown" or does it have its own name? What's it for; keeping the rain off, or decorative/display, or what? Why *don't* women's versions often appear not to have it; is it really more about rank than gender, and it just happens that the ratio of high:low rank pictures of women servicefolk is simply lower than that of men? And in particular on the idea that its purpose is something to do with display---in the sense of "my BSUATT is bigger than yours"---and this connects with the comments earlier (both mine and earlier) about North Korean styles (e.g. here)---is it possible to say anything (sensible!) about variations among nations, cultures, and even just times in history, in the difference in size of the bit-sticking-up-at-the-top, relative to the rest of the cap?
BTW, all of that assumes the usual meaning of "peak" in the context of peaked caps. That is, the peak refers quite specifically *not* to the BSUATT, but rather to the visor, which shades the eyes from the sun (i.e. the peak is the part which, on a baseball cap, is referred to as the "bill").
In other words, while the bit-sticking-out-at-the-front is the peak, and the bit-sticking-out-around-the-edge is the brim, what is the bit-sticking-up-at-the-top?
2605:6000:F343:F300:8154:C419:8FB9:EE9D (talk) 12:05, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you should read WP:NOTCOMPULSORY. If you can find reliable sources to improve terminology, we would be very grateful. You're welcome to assume whatever you wish, but NOR is a policy. Thanks. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:42, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ??? I can't make head nor tail of that. Did you perhaps mean to post it further up, in another section?2605:6000:F343:F300:8154:C419:8FB9:EE9D (talk) 04:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies if my response was convoluted. Essentially, I was recommending WP:SOFIXIT provided you have reliable sources to make changes. You've thrown up some queries which don't necessarily need to be addressed in the article. If you've done some research into the subject and can't find "sensible" reliable sources to answer your queries, please don't ask others (every editor is a volunteer) to speculate with you and use this page as a forum for your own investigations. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bit-sticking-up-at-the-top? 

message: Peaked caps seem to have quite a history in Eastern Europe and in Russia. Dose the kind of hat worn by Lenin have a special name? - knoodelhed (talk) 04:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not a peaked cap, but a variant of the mariner's cap, also popularly associated with Chairman Mao. JustinTime55 (talk) 16:13, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating. After all, wasn't "the great helmsman" one of Mao's sobriquets? knoodelhed (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lenin's hat 

message: The United Kingdom section does not mention use of peaked caps as part of the uniforms of British police forces. That could be added as a subsection. --Dreddmoto (talk) 15:12, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: In my opinion, the large amount of empty space should be removed from the end of the 'Indonesia' tab as it looks odd to have such a big space in my opinion. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's happening because the picture takes up much more vertical space than the text. It's a good and relevant picture, though, so it's better to have the formatting problem than to lose the picture. Adding text would also fix it; is there more to say about peaked caps in Indonesia? TypoBoy (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large amount of empty space should be removed from the end of the 'Indonesia' tab 

message: The article uses the terms "combination cap" and "combination cover" extensively, but doesn't explain where the term comes from. Why "combination"? What things are being combined? Is the idea that a peaked cap combines a cap with a visor? TypoBoy (talk) 13:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: All I know is the U.S. military uses different terms to describe these peaked caps.  The U.S. Army and Air Force calls it the "service caps" , the U.S. Marine Corps calls it either the "frame cap" or "service cap" , the U.S. Navy calls it either a "combination cap" or "combination cover" , and the U.S. Coast Guard calls it a "combination cap" . Use those linked uniform regulations to make any appropriate corrections. --McChizzle (talk) 14:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for those links! Unfortunately, they don't give any insight on the origins of the term "combination cap" (the first two don't use the term, and the other two use and define it, but don't give any etymology), but that was a good shot. I'll keep looking. TypoBoy (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That is all I know about the naming (who calls it what in the US military).  Since the Navy and Coast Guard are the organizations in the U.S. military that call it a combination cap may help you focus some of your research.  Good luck! --McChizzle (talk) 16:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "combination"? 

message: What's the difference between peaked cap and czech style cap? Ypacaraí (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech style military cap? 

message: Regarding the United Kingdom section, what about adding one the photographs here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Manchester_Pride_2010_(4942180345).jpg or here https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Police_hats_and_helmets_of_England ? Dreddmoto (talk) 02:54, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm okay with swapping out the current image in the police section with an image from the police hats category (like this one :File:Metropolitan Police peaked cap side.jpg), and am much more partial to those images than the first suggested one, as the peaked cap is the focal/only item in the image (in contrast to being a small part of a larger image). Leventio (talk) 03:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I actually just went ahead and swapped the prior image in that section with one I found in the Category. That said, I don't really have any particular attachment to that image, so feel free to replace it with something else that's more suitable (I just went ahead and replaced the prior image as the cap wasn't a focal point in that image, in contrast to all the images you've brought up). Leventio (talk) 03:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civilian usage