Talk:Turkish–Armenian War

message: :This article is biased and not reliable During the period of this war, Armenian army also fought against Georgian and Azerbeycan armies. Article has no reference to them. user:Ilpars
Georgian and Azerbeycan conflicts should have their own Campaign pages. There is one for Georgian. If someone wants these articles can be connected on Armenia page (such as Turkish War of Independence callects its own campaigns). Summary: this is a Turkis-Armenian campaign not Armenian wars page. Thanks.--OttomanReference 12:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Conflicts 

message: I was looking at the article on the "Treaty of Kars" and in that article it says this treaty was signed on October 23, 1921, but inside the "Turkish-Armenian War" article under the Treaty of Kars it gives another date which is October 13, 1921, so which one is correct? ROOB323 18:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Treaty of Kars" Date 

message: This article is about a war, in which we do not need to include sentences such as "Armenians forced out of their historical homeland" or so, nor "the Armenian Traitors" on the other side, thus I am reverting both...
--Eae1983 (talk) 11:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical Homeland

message: @85.102.61.240 from Istanbul, you have to discuss your changes on the discussion page! And try to find sources for your changes! The footnotes are from Ter-Minassian, so it doesn't make sense to change the figures and leaving the footnotes untouched. That looks odd or falsified because Ter-Minassian says there were about the same figure of fighting troops. Ok? Apocolocynthosis (talk) 14:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rules in Wikipedia

message: The enormous geopolitical problems in the region of present day Turkey and Armenia are noted.
The Armenian Diaspora and The Republic of Turkey hold firmly to their claims in the region.
The topic is highly politicised, and historical references are skewed depending on which side you take.  Independent historians are not able to be identified readily.
This topic is extremely likely to be biased and facts flawed, and should be flagged as such, right at the beginning of the topic, in the introductory sentence.
60.242.22.49 (talk) 14:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagging controversial topics 

message: Turgut Özakman's Şu Çılgın Türkler is a historical novel (tarihi roman).Aynı savaş farklı kurgular", Star, March, 7 2009."Popüler tarih tarihin neresinde", Yeni Şafak, March 7, 2007.. Probably Mareşal should have known this fact. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Şu Çılgın Türkler''

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message: When you write "Turkish invasion of Armenia" in WP search, you are directed here. If you write "Russian invasion of Armenia" you find no articles. Surprising, knowing the fact that the Russians have invaded "Armenia" not once but several times. (Armenia is still, after two decades of "independence" the only ex-Soviet country whose borders are protected by the Russian Army.) Or should I write "First, Second, Third etc Russian invasion of Armenia" to reach the correct pages? Please do not remind me (I already know) that the discussion pages are intended to develop the relative articles. I wonder if my curiosity could help to develop the neutrality and reliability of some WP articles. I also wonder if articles are intended to defame certain nations (which have made similar acts to those of other nations, whose deeds are not turned into articles in WP...)  --E4024 (talk) 09:14, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As noone came here to discuss in 3 months, I am adding an RfC tag. --E4024 (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian invasion(s) of Armenia 

message: Civilian and military deaths should be seperated  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.188.148 (talk) 10:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Losses 

message: I see that pretty much all the sources that talk about the forces seem to be all Turkish. I know for a fact that the DRA at the time was in a bad condition, fighting the USSR, Azerbaijan, Georgia and the Turks at the same time, and they were extremely short in ammunition and weapons, most DRA "troops" weren't even armed, and the majority of the DRA was made up of ethnic Turks. These so called academic sources make these absurd claims of the DRA having a large army and being well equipped are nothing more than works of Turkish nationalistic propaganda. Unless some more reliable sources are given, and not those written by nationalists in an autocratic state, this article should not be trusted. In the mean time, I shall make the appropriate changes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.251.53 (talk) 16:07, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Sources 

message: Turalhemidli added a claim of "10,000 civilians killed" as casualties . I removed the claim as unsourced. KazekageTR then restored that content without giving any supporting source . I will again remove this unreferenced content unless sources are presented. Under wp:v, any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be replaced without an inline citation to a reliable source. As explained in my edit summary, the figure is unsourced because the source that was cited does not actually support the figure it is being cited to support. The 10,000 figure mentioned in that source refers to alleged events in Erzincan and Erzurum that happened over 2 years before the subject of this article. Ottoman forces captured Erzincan in February 1918 and Erzurum in March 1918 (massacring any Armenians they found). They did not withdraw from these places after Turkey's surrender at the end of WW1. The war detailed in this article took place at the end of 1920. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have waited 3 days for a response, so I have now deleted the tagged unreferenced 10,000 figure under wp:v. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:56, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits by Turalhemidli and KazekageTR

message: I see that Wikipedia has lost its neutrality. This war started on September 20 and ended on December 2, how can the war continue until December 23? Very funny another thing, the war is not even 3 months continued and civilians killed 250 000. Even the Turks all day and night would have killed Armenians could never create one such, and the photograph is that Armenians runs from Kars.
Turalhemidli 03:57, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion of Armenian nationalists

message: The article clearly acknowledges: On November 29, the Soviet Eleventh Army invaded Armenia at Karavansarai (present-day Ijevan).
This is a neutral source. The Soviets must be included in the template, as they are for the Invasion of Poland page despite invading later.
The source claiming the Turks had 18,500 men is a Turkish source. I presented a Russian, American, Italian, and French sources, all putting the number range in 50-60,000.On the right of self-determination of the Armenian people of Nagorno-Karabakh The Russian source, in particular, is from 1960 and most of the most first secondary sources available on this subject.
Also, Gala19000 insists on putting "Light" as the Turkish casualty, despite having no sources. --Oatitonimly (talk) 04:02, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: "On November 29, the Soviet Eleventh Army invaded Armenia at Karavansarai" --Oatitonimly (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

text: You need sources to verify your claims. Oatitonimly (talk) 00:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

text: The Turkish invasion ended on December 2 and the Soviet invasion began on November 29. The Invasion of Poland typically refers to the Germans and the Soviets came in late, but they are both still listed none the less. You can't site the article, and even so it counters your claims. I will restore my cited version if you cannot provide a source that November 29 comes after December 2. --Oatitonimly (talk) 04:59, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be better to have a separate article. If that article had existed, with the invasion title to match the two related articles for Georgian and Azerbaijan, there would have been an better case to be made for this article also having a similar title. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: I have deleted the infobox claim that "Turkey retakes land lost to Armenia in the Treaty of Sèvres" . The territory of the Republic of Armenia entirely comprised territory that had formed part of the Russian Empire's pre-WW1 territory. None of this territory belonged to Turkey, so a claim that Turkey retook territory lost to Armenia is false. The citing of the Treaty of Sèvres is also false. That treaty did not give any territory to Armenia. In its article 89  it stated that the future border between Turkey and Armenia would be decided by "the arbitration of the President of the United States of America", and whatever that arbitration decided, both Armenia and Turkey will agree to abide with that decision. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:50, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also deleted the "Armenian offensive towards Olti and Bardiz areas" section in the article as pov synthesis . This content contained the false claim that "There were Armenian raids into Turkish territory already in May 1920". Olti and Bardiz were both within the Russian Empire's pre-WW1 territory, and after the Ottoman Empire's surrender it was required to withdraw to its pre-WW1 borders, so any claim that they were "Turkish territory" is unjustified and whatever is left of the content is off topic (I suspect that it had been placed in the article to provide a false casus belli excuse for the Turkish invasion). If any editors wish to dispute these two edits, would they first give their reasons for disagreement here rather than reverting - the article has only recently been unprotected after being protected because of numerous reverting. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:07, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I am rather disappointed that all the propaganda and lies that I removed have been reinserted. Reinserted without discussion, without any rebuttal of the reasoning I have given in the above. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 14:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted infobox and article content

message: Please mention that this Turkish–Armenian War plays major role in The Promise (2016) movie in this article. Ram nareshji (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This war is mentioned in The Promise (2016) movie. 

message: I requests to move the Page to Turkish–Armenian War (1920) لهثسن (talk) 08:46, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request  

message: I cannot verify the order "eliminate Armenia physically and politically" that is included in the beginning of the 2nd paragraph in the article. I have access to both books cited in this sentence, but these books cite another book which is basically a memoir of the Turkish army commander including most the telegrams he sent/received during the war (istiklal harbimiz from Kazim Karabekir). I also have access to this memoir, but I could not found the respective telegram or any other content resembling the quoted order. The two cited books in the article cite pages 564-565 of this memoir as the source for the telegram with the order with a date of 8 November 1920. However, the memoirs do not include any telegrams with such content or date.
Please update the article accordingly if the specific telegram that originates the statement of "eliminate Armenia physically and politically" is actually found to let the readers (and me) know. Thanks. 136.159.213.83 (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Kévorkian is citing pp. 844–45 of the Karabekir memoir, the pages 564-565 are for the Dadrian book. Have you checked pages 844–45? Revolution Saga (talk) 04:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telegram on "eliminate Armenia physically and politically"