Talk:United Grand Lodge of England

message: There are serious doubts on the 1717 issue, you see there is no records of that ever happened. "Organized Freemasonry in London became established on 24 June 1717 when four London lodges came together at the Goose and Gridiron Ale House, St Paul’s Churchyard" History page gives user:195.248.124.162 as the posting editor of this section, although he did not sign. Millennium Sentinel 00:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Where can I find a list of Grand Masters of the GLE before the UGLE was founded? VM 17:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd get in touch with UGLE, they'll have the lists or be able to direct you to a publication which includes it.ALR 21:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1717

message: In the articles opening paragraph, it is stated that UGLE is the oldest Grand Lodge in the world, but at the same time in the history section no one to date has provided any evidence that this was the actual case. Such statements raise issues of credibility and accuracy in this article. Additionally the mods of this website have marked the history section as requiring sources to verify the date, amongst other things. Todate the authentication of the former has not happened yet. 
I have noticed that a few edits to the opening commentary have been undertaken, with it being re-edited back to its original status, perhaps unknowingly in contradiction of the need to verify dates, which is quite apparent if one reads the history section. 
I have therefore put the  superfix in the sentence containing the 24 June 1717 date. I propose that this line should either be deleted, until as such a time that the date can be verified and a supporting reference provided, or a different form or wording used. As a researcher and lecturer in the small sense of the word in this area, we should reference where possible all information and not state dates as the definate article which we cannot yet back up.
 
Should anyone wish to discuss this with me please do so, before they, decide to wrongly (IMOP)change it again. More work in this area is needed with references please.
Aquizard 13:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You cited a few other things, too, which seem POV rather than genuine discussion, considering the "again" tells me you're the IP editor who did the same thing before. BTW, your research skills need work - the date as stated in this article is given by UGLE itself here; if you're going to do research, try not to overlook fundamental resources.  As a note, even Kilwinning #0 has dating issues - their charter is supposedly a copy of a document 200 years older, which is no longer extant.  As some point you need to take the information as a given, or you have nowhere to start. MSJapan 19:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: These dates are citable fact, I have therefore put the citation needed in the sentence containing the "24 June, 1717" date.</I> Grye 21:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed deletion of 24 June 1717 date in Opening paragraph

message: It looks like someone deleted the coat of arms for UGLE from wiki.  I'm guessing that the original uploader didn't put a link to the source of the file, and failed to put the copyright and fair use of logo information on the picture . . . If I had a copy of the file as a png, I'd upload it myself.--Vidkun 18:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coat of arms

message: Could someone tell me what this is? Pro Grand or Pro-grand? It lists Spencer Compton, 7th Marquess of Northampton as this position. Is this below or above the grand master title listed? I am presuming below since they'd probably just list the senior position. Tyciol (talk) 04:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pro Grand Master is an appointed position in UGLE, to stand in for the MWGM when he is unable to preside over the Craft, many times, due to his Royal duties.  It is subordinate to the GM, but superior to both the Deputy Grand Master and the Assistant Grand Master. --Vidkun (talk) 16:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro grand master?

message: This section hardly deals with the history of UGLE at all, but with the history of the moderns and ancients, and the formation of the new GL. The older lodges have their own articles, which could be linked, and the entire section streamlined, and retitled Formation. Maybe then we could have a section on the actual history. I would like to invite discussion before wading in. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: A German secret society of the XIX Century, 'The Oculists', devoted to spreading the right techniques for cataract surgery, and to blocking 'charlatans' from doing this type of surgical procedure, wrote also a book, named 'Copiale', in which they described all the ceremonies that were conducted in 'Francmason's' societies as 'Initiation' to its different grades; the Swedish University of Uppsala found the way to decipher the text, and offers an English translation of the description of masonic ceremonies collected by the Oculists, as well as the original text, and the code used for ciphering, the text is of open access in the web, it can be searched with the key word 'Copiale', or perhaps in the Uppsala University website. Enjoy it!. -attention, copiale is also an Spanish verb tense meaning 'copy it', so you can find some mesh in looking for copiale-  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.155.169.59 (talk) 17:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masonic Ceremonies 

message: I've just changed the date of foundation to 1813, then noticed the previous discussion. The UGLE gives the date of its own formation as 1813, although it claims descent from the first GL formed in 1717. I feel strongly that the two should not be confused, partly because the actual masonry of UGLE owes its form to the Antients and NOT the 1717 lot, but mainly because the first London Grand Lodge was definitely NOT the United Grand Lodge of England. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foundation date (again) 

message: The single sentence about the District Grand Lodges creates the impression that they are fairly minor "subsidiary" organisations. Some of the 33 DGLs in fact consist of entire countries - and collectively cover most of the Commonwealth.  Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:02, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I refer you to the top of this page, where the article is rated as "Start Class" - or a bit basic. Please feel free to add suitably referenced details. That's how Wikipedia works. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 23:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  District Grand Lodges 

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replies: text: Updated Fiddlersmouth (talk) 01:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Are district grand lodges under the UGLE notable enough to warrant their own articles? United Grand Lodge of Bengal has its own article (also noticed that it's under the wrong name just now). I personally don't think they are noteworthy enough to have their own articles and, if necessary, can be briefly mentioned here. 
EDIT: I've fixed the issue with the article's name, but the other concern is still there.Pepe Oats (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  District Grand Lodge 

message: To whom it may concern,
My name is Chauncey Brantley and I'm a member of Rising Star Lodge #2 of Dallas,Texas in the jurisdiction of St John Union Grand Lodge of Texas Prince Hall Origin, National Compact USA. I am a PM by service as well as a Noble. My main concern is my lodge and I are looking to move our membership to A. F. & A. M. in hopes of continuing to spread the cement of brotherly love in harmony. I've done a little research on A. F. & A. M. and we like what they do as far as giving back to others and truly support one another without bias. I've been traveling almost 9 years in this jurisdiction and there's just no progress going forward especially knowledge. I'm asking what do we ( Rising Star Lodge #2) need to do to be a part of A. F. & A. M. to continue our growth in the Craft besides being financial and of good report? 2600:1700:59E1:1200:3423:9F49:9A71:7210 (talk) 22:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petition for Charter or Dispensation