Talk:Perspectives of New Music

message: I should explain the purpose of my recent extensive addition to the "Further reading" section. One of the current editors of PNM requested some time ago that I bring this article up to date (it currently stops more or less at 1972) to indicate better how the journal has evolved over the intervening decades. At that point, I was hampered by a lack of reliable sources, even though after sixteen years past employment with the journal was fairly up-to-date on the facts. I was assured at that time that the Fiftieth-anniversary issue would contain a collection of articles and reminiscences pertinent to this endeavor. Now it is on hand, and has been added to Further reading (the untitled interviews are all to do with the interviewees' experiences with the journal). My intention is to move these items to the References as their content becomes applicable. While on the subject, I find it ironic that an article on this particular journal should use footnote references, since PNM itself has had (at least since 1984) a strong preference for parenthetical referencing.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: *Drive by? Check the edit history, I tagged this section as a "laundry list" almost a year ago. And yes, "internal" references are acceptable, but 23 (twenty-three!) "untitled interviews with Rachel S. Vandagriff"? Seriously? My one revert of your revert had a clear edit summary, detailing the problem. Your second revert did not have an edit summary at all, as far as I can see. There's nothing wrong with a stub, and as 30 (thirty) out of 33 items in this list are from the journal itself, they can easily be found by anyone interested in expanding this article. I propose to remove all "further reading" items to the journal itself and leave the article in Neue Zeitschrift für Musik, the book, and the (unpublished?) DMA thesis. That would leave a much more reasonable article for our readers. In addition, anybody reading this talk page and wishing to expand the article, can easily recuperate the 30 listed articles from the journal itself from the article history. If we do this, we finally can get rid of the laundry tag. --Randykitty (talk) 16:32, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *PS: another solution would be to reduce the 30 articles' list to "Perspectives of New Music 50, nos. 1 and 2 (Winter–Summer), 2012". That includes all of them. --Randykitty (talk) 16:37, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *I like your last solution best. In fact, I had come here just now to suggest this as a compromise. One thing that has contributed to my dilatoriness in dealing with this history is precisely my COI status. I kept hoping another editor, independent of the journal, might come by who would appreciate knowing that these interviews are available. Hidden away in the edit history, they would be much less accessible. I would suggest a slightly different format, however, since these items constitute less than half the contents of that volume: they do fall under a collective heading, "A History of Perspectives on the Occasion of Our 50th Anniversary". It is a little more difficult to know what to do about authorship. Although there are many interviews conducted by Rachel Vandagriff, there are also several independently contributed items (as you can see from the "laundry list": items by Boretz, Barkin, Rahn, François, and a short item by Vandagriff herself). Perhaps an author name isn't necessary in this case?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Looks good now! I have removed the template. As an aside about the author names: the way it was phrased before, I had interpreted this as 23 different persons all interviewing Vandagriff, instead of the other way around... :-) --Randykitty (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Excellent. I can see how the format was misleading. I am accustomed to seeing such items listed by interviewee first, interviewer second in the author entry, then the year, title, etc. I'm not sure why I typed these in the way that I did—probably proleptic fatigue at the prospect of all the repetitious work!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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