Talk:Lolita (term)

message: I created this page to fit in information on the word "lolita" and how it is used currently, as well as how the archetype affects modern-day culture. As far as I could tell, there was a need (albeit small) for a page on what this term has become outside of Nabokov's novel. The disambiguation page noted the term already and linked back to a section on the novel's page (Lolita), which would probably partially fit in better here anyway. I took some of the information from there but haven't linked to this yet.
Please feel free to alter it or (especially) add to it in whatever way would improve it. I've never created an article before! Jseipel 22:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: I would add specifically that Lolita comes from Dolores in the Nabokov novel as between spanish speakers in (at least) Spain. I mean, its a common nickname for the women called Dolores in Spain (and -i'm not completely sure- in other spanish-speakers countries): Lola and its diminutive version, Lolita. I think, as a term, has its origin in the Nabokov's Lolita, but as a name its related to this spanish origin. I would ask somebody to add this info here if you think it's valid... (because English is not my primary language and...you know, I don't want to write mistakes :P). --87.219.194.112 16:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the article :Lolita (term) about common usages of the word "Lolita" in US and Japanese cultures . Because of concerns like yours, I've added a prominent link at the top of the page to :Lolita (given name) where people can find or add information about the name itself. HouseOfChange (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the origin of the term 

message: just wondering if any of you could list lolita anime  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.167.89.172 (talk) 12:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  list of lolita anime? 

message: Nymph, as a figure of Greek mythology, needs to be an entirely separate category. A disambiguation note at the top of the article could refer the confused reader to nymphet. 
06:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: "In 1973 it was first used in the sense of "sexually attractive."[7] The word can refer to a nymphet in the context of a young sexually attractive woman."
The link for footnote 7 has no evidence or further information, essentially making it useless as a source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.167.109 (talk) 07:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  nubile does not belong in this article because it is by definition about young women who are ready for marriage, and not girls. Eloerc (talk) 00:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nubile 

message: I included the Merriam Webster definition of nymphet for clarification.Blue Eagle 21063 (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Nymphet definition

message: :Category:Pedophilia should be removed, cause the article belongs to the category Hebephilia (which should not be confused with Pedophilia). - 62.225.62.67 (talk) 19:33, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Age 9 would be pedophilia. Prinsgezinde (talk) 20:02, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Prinsgezinde, whatever anyone's personal beliefs, we should be going by what WP:Reliable sources state. This edit by you acknowledges going by what WP:Reliable sources state. What WP:Reliable sources place "lolita" in the pedophilia or hebephilia category? Also, like I stated when reverting you here, pedophilia (as medically defined, rather than defined by common vernacular) is about the sexual attraction, specifically primary or exclusive sexual attraction, to prepubescents. There are pubescent 9-year-old girls; a girl hitting puberty at this age used to be considered precocious puberty by medical experts, but it is now considered common (except for menarche in girls before age 10). Because the age at which puberty begins varies, what age is prepubescent can also vary. This is why pedophilia and hebephilia are more so about sexual attraction to stages of physical development rather than to age. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:08, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Flyer22 Reborn, I don't get it. You were the one who proposed the deletion of the hebephilia category, saying it had no clear purpose and was a disputed subject. I would have actually preferred adding both. I found an article here anyway. Prinsgezinde (talk) 00:05, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Prinsgezinde, you don't get what? I was not stating that this article should go in a Hebephilia category in my response to you. I stated that "we should be going by what WP:Reliable sources state," and asked you "what WP:Reliable sources place 'lolita' in the pedophilia or hebephilia category?" I then explained what pedophilia is (in the medical sense) and noted that age 9 does not automatically make one prepubescent. As for the source, what makes it a WP:Reliable source? Is it WP:Undue when comparing it to how other sources categorize "lolita" or the novel Lolita? That stated, source-wise, I have seen the novel discussed in terms of pedophilia, whether or not the sources are defining the term pedophilia broadly or medically, and the novel is currently in :Category:Pedophilia in literature. So maybe it's fine to place the term in the pedophilia category as well. If you re-add it to the category, I won't revert again. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:23, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

text: On a side note: Since this article is on my watchlist, I'd rather that you don't ping me to its talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll abstain as well. Prinsgezinde (talk) 16:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category Pedophilia 

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message: Please stop edit-warring to sanitize Humbert Humbert as having a "sexual relationship" with 12 year old Lolita
In the novel, narrator Humbert Humbert describes 12 year old Lolita as inviting him to play a "game" by which, he tells us, she meant sexual intercourse. At some point soon during the act, HH tells us, she became reluctant, but he continued to consummate it anyway. 
To its intended mid-century male audience, HH is absolved of guilt, and Lolita got what she deserved, because sex was her idea in the first place. But it is rape to have sex with a 12 year-old, no matter what. 
Nabokov throughout the book reminds the reader how HH's "sexual relationship" with Lolita was maintained by bullying and threats. She consented to repeated sex because she was terrified of being sent to an institution if the truth came out. Lolita was a sexual victim of HH, not his willing sexual partner or his seducer. HouseOfChange (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humbert Humbert' did not have a "sexual relationship" with 12 year old Lolita 

message: Most commonly, "lolita" relates to underage girls who become targets of adult desire and exploitation. (There is also a Japanese fantasy fashion style called "lolita.") 
The See also section wikilinks to various articles about the sexualization of young boys as well as young girls-- "shotacon" to go with "lolicon" and "bishonen" to go with "bishojo." 
I don't see how Yuri (genre) belongs in the "See also" of Lolita. Yuri does not concern age-disparate sex but lesbian sex. HouseOfChange (talk) 02:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What belongs in "See also"