Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven's religious views

message: I've heard this phrase used not as a reference to the priest but as a reference to how he suffered during his life. He made the ironic comment since he was in his last days and saw his life coming to an end. Can anyone check this? Daleliop1 17:46, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Applaud my friends, the comedy is over" 

message: This article makes many specific assertions which should have specific cites. 
Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources, especially the section on "Why sources should be cited", and Wikipedia:Attribution. -- Writtenonsand 21:50, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites, please. 

message: The article says "Beethoven was born and raised a Roman Catholic", which it is quite impossible from a point of view of semantics. What is probably meant is that he was born to and raised by a Roman Catholic family. Being religious is not determined by the genes or inherited in a similar way. It is a state of mind only applicable to someone who can wrap his or her mind around an idea like religion.
:Um.  The phrase doesn't mean passed genetically.  It's a common phrase to say that one was baptized at an early age and brought up in a religious tradition, where it's most likely one didn't pipe up in one's cutest five year old voice and ask to have a bit of the Upanishads to contrast with all this stuffy catholicism.  Seriously?  We're going to debate whether or not it's possible to be "born and raised" something?  This is everything that's right with wikipedia.--75.72.20.191 (talk) 05:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born with religion? 

message: Um, what's up with the long paragraph that's all in quotes?  It does not in any way indicate to WHOM the quote is attributed or why we should care.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.201.182 (talk) 08:34, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giant quotation? 

message: What an awful page.  A bunch of competing ideologies arguing over who gets to list a famous person on their favorite wikilist of famous people who agree with them.  Again.  Ugh. What an awful page.  With all the unsourced quotations, couldn't we delete this, or at least fold in the barely two sentences of useful material here into Beethoven's page itself?  Or should we keep it open, like an artifact, so in future people can study the pettiness of religious arguments played out where everyone can edit them?--75.72.20.191 (talk) 05:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ugh

message: "The content of his music is most intriguing, oftentimes reflecting views of several different religions. His own religious views could never be determined, although Franz Haydn considered him an atheist. He distrusted priests and wrote about paganism in several of his works. He became increasingly devoted to Pantheism and was noted to have been a man searching for God. Fragments of Indian texts can be found in his diary, showing an interest in Hinduism and occasionally concepts of deism. Rumors surround the events around his deathbed, his actual death being in 1827 at the age of 57, although he did allow a priest to administer his last rites. After this, he is said to have cried out, “Applaud, my friends, the comedy is over,” but no one could say for sure whether he was refering to his life, or the rites."
http://www.wou.edu/las/creativearts/music/MUS419/Music%20in%20Tech%20Info%20Page.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.44.251 (talk) 18:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: REFERENCE

message: :Of Goethe, Beethoven said, "he is alive, and he wants us all to live with him. That is why he can be set to music."
:"He [Goethe] is alive, and he wants us all to live with him. That is why he can be set to music." — Ludwig van Beethoven
::Does he refer to Goethe, or the quote told by Goethe and he refers to God. Kasaalan (talk) 22:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote question