Talk:Bhikkhunī

message: There is an article gelongma, and I feel there is no need to keep it separate. 
It should clearly be merged with this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elvonudinium (talk • contribs) 03:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody objected for a long time. I'l merge this. Alexander Roumega (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merger

message: It seems reasonable imho to keep Sangha, Bhikkhu, Bhikkhuni, Mae ji etc. as separate yet interlinked articles.--Gakuro 08:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meltingpot 

message: Bhikkhuni is spelled in Pali without a retroflex n, which is an unwarranted Sanskritism. E.g.: http://studies.worldtipitaka.org/tipitaka/4V/10/10.1/10.1.2   ; http://www.metta.lk/tipitaka/1Vinaya-Pitaka/2Pacittiya-Pali/6Bhikkhuni-Vibhangha/34bhikkhuni-vibhanga-p.html  ; PTS Pali Culavagga pg. 255. I have accordingly changed the spelling where necessary. Sujato (talk) 21:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: I'd suggest that these (Sangha, Bhikkhu, Bhikkhuni, Mae ji) remain distinct articles.  I imagine that several of these articles will grow significantly, since the situation for women monastics is rapidly changing.  Deebki 00:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's reasonable to have an article about the status of bhikkhunis in the Theravada countries and Tibet. But, what sort of information do you suggest should be housed in the other such articles? They seem to me like they are all about the same thing. I don't see any major changes occurring with regard to most of the bhikkhuni sangha.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 00:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinct Articles 

message: I am of the opinion that bhikkhu and bhikkhuni should remain seperate, just as monk and nun are seperate. Further I think we need more info on the bhikkhuni orders in taiwan en south-korea, and on the history of the mahayana and theravada order.Greetings, Sacca 10:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: taiwan

message: I do not know if this is appropriate for this WP article (or perhaps it has already been integrated in a way that my scanning of this article did not reveal) but so that others may consider whether or not to incorporate the information into this article, I copy here a FeedBurner post from Bhante G's "Bhavana Society":
:News: An Historic Meeting of Theravada Bhikkhunis 
:(Posted: 20 Oct 2007 05:17 PM CDT)
:This November will witness an important milestone for Buddhism in the West.  For the first time ever, Theravada Buddhist nuns will gather on American soil for a Patimokkha observance.  The “Bhikkhuni Patimokkha” is the monastic discipline for fully ordained women in Buddhism; its recitation one of the main gatherings that affirms the presence and harmonious communion of the Buddhist monastic Sangha. In many eyes this event will officially mark the establishment of the Theravadan Bhikkhuni Sangha in North America. Nine bhikkhunis from across the U.S. and Germany will converge at the Carolina Buddhist Vihara, including Ayya Sudinna and Ayya Sobhana from the Bhavana Society.  They will will observe Patimokkha privately on November 9, followed on November 11 by the public celebration of Kathina.  (This is the robe-offering ceremony at the end of the monastic three-month Rains Retreat.  For more information about Kathina at the Carolina Buddhist Vihara, email: dhammasc@hotmail.com).  In the run-up to this event, the Bhavana Society will briefly host four bhikkhunis and an anagarika (female trainee).  On November 6-7, our two resident nuns will welcome Ayya Tathaaloka, Ayya Poonsirivara and Anagarika Suvijjana.  
This information is also posted at http://www.bhavanasociety.org:80/new/an_historic_meeting_of_theravada_bhikkhunis/.
With metta, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 04:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theravadan Bhikkhuni Sangha in North America 

message: I removed this sentence: (Please edit this as it was Ananda, the Buddha's attendant, who successfully requested women be allowed to join (after Mahapajapati's requests were rejected)
If this is true, the article needs to be edited. If people have comments on what in the article needs to be edited, they need to keep it on the talk page. 66.42.216.226 (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.90.182 (talk) 17:56, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell? 

message: this information ?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.197.75 (talk) 15:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.27.48 (talk) 06:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.112 (talk) 11:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Already here? 

message: "7) A Monk must not be abused or reviled in any way by a nun." Are there any stories referring to that rule?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.200.77 (talk) 16:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any stories? 

message: *Diemberger, Hildegard (2007): When a Woman Becomes a Religious Dynasty - The Samding Dorje Phagmo of Tibet, Columbia University Press, 2007, , EAN 9780231143202, Extract
What do you think? does it go with the seriosity of wikipedia mentioning that popular song within the text?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.149 (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.202.78 (talk) 10:45, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humour 

message: Controversial point.
See Vinaya Expert - Thanissaro Bhikkhu commentary:
http://www.dhammalight.com/vinaya/ThanissaroBhikkhu_13-11-09.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.112.107.243 (talk) 19:36, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bhukkhuni ordination in Australia 

message: From The Article:
Rules for nuns in Buddhism:
    1) A nun who has been ordained even for a hundred years must greet respectfully, rise up from her seat, salute with joined palms, do proper homage to a monk ordained but that day.
        * clarification: The Vinaya recounts the story of six monks who lifted up their robes to show their thighs to the nuns. When the Buddha learned about this, he made an exception to that rule and told the nuns not
 to pay respect to these monks. A nun, then, does not have to bow to every monk, but only to a monk who is worthy of respect.[12]
        * Pajapati's later request: "I would ask one thing of the Blessed One, Ananda. It would be good if the Blessed One would allow making salutations, standing up in the presence of another, paying reverence
 and the proper performance of duties, to take place equally between both bhikkhus and bhikkhunis according to seniority." [13]
The two Bullet points after the rule are a bit misleading. The first includes an interpretation that is not suggested by the text. The text says that nuns do not have to salute monks that are actively rude to them, which seems less than what the bullet suggests. The second bullet seems to imply that the request was granted, when it was flatly denied. I suggest they both be removed.
Links to the relevant sections of the Vinaya:
First Bullet: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe20/sbe20094.htm
Second Bullet: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe20/sbe20100.htm
I apologize for the poor format of this. I'm new to Wikipedia. First Post.
HeyPecka (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Little Misleading 

message: Quote:  Dr. Chatsumarn Kabilsingh writes, "Nuns at the time of the Buddha had equal rights and an equal share in everything. In one case, eight robes were offered to both sanghas at a place where there was only one nun and four monks. The Buddha divided the robes in half, giving four to the nun and four to the monks, because the robes were for both sanghas and had to be divided equally however many were in each group. Because the nuns tended to receive fewer invitations to lay-people's homes, the Buddha had all offerings brought to the monastery and equally divided between the two sanghas. He protected the nuns and was fair to both parties. They are subordinate in the sense of being younger sisters and elder brothers, not in the sense of being masters and slaves.
I am writing this just to give an input that can give a deeper understanding of the issue. The languages of communication is definitely not English among the Buddhists. So, when claiming that there was no sense of master-slave or master-subordinate, but only younger sister-elder brother has to be taken with a pinch of salt. 
For, this younger sister-elder brother communication system is itself feudal and hierarchical. It is just master-slave or master-subordinate in another name. The hierarchal words for You, He, She, His, Her, Hers, and even the usage of name and limitations of movement and right to articulation are all encoded in this communication system. 
The younger sister status is a subordination, that can over time lead to messy relationship and even to misuse, abuse or over use of domination. 
--Ved from Victoria Institutions (talk) 08:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is original research. Tengu800 02:01, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept of equality 

message: It appears that content from the garudhammas article has been copied to this article, creating redundancy and in violation of NPOV rules. This needs to be updated, including mention of the extreme controversy surrounding whether the garudhammas are cannonical, as well as citations (which were removed by Lone boatman).76.230.49.88 (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra section? 

message: Is the source for "For a country or nation to be considered as truly Buddhist, the majority of the nation must be Buddhist and include at least a fourfold assembly of bhikkhus, bhikkhunis, upasakas and, upasikas" sufficiently weighty for this statement to be included in the lede? almost-instinct 23:19, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. For one thing, the source does not mention a "majority" of people in the country being Buddhist. For another, it's unclear what the historical precedent for such a statement would be. Most of the history of Buddhism in India, for example, it is likely that Buddhists did not constitute the majority. And even countries that have very high numbers of Buddhist adherents (like Bhutan) would not be considered "truly Buddhist" because they lack bhikshunis? Some reference beyond a passing mention in an article like this should be given when making such statements. Tengu800 23:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. In that case, IMO (but ignoring my own sympathy for it), this statement should be moved from the lede to somewhere else in the text, and introduced as an opinion rather than a fact. In good WP fashion I shall be bold and do the change myself, and let more knowledgeable people mop up after me ;-) almost-instinct 10:04, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede 

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message: I propose that Ordination of women in Buddhism be merged into Bhikkhuni. These articles have a large overlap and duplicating. As I know, Buddhist ordination is related only to monks (Bhikkhus) and nuns (Bhikkhunis). Men and women don't need any ordination, rite or ceremony to become worldly Buddhists. So Ordination of women in Buddhism means just ordination to Bhikkhuni. Alexander Roumega (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: For 30 days, nobody objects. Merging. Alexander Roumega (talk) 12:44, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: A discussion is taking place at Talk:Nun#Rename article "Nun and religious sister" ? whether to rename this article "Nun and religious sister", since religious sisters have no article of their own and they may not want to be called nuns. Religious sisters are already a major topic in the article. Jzsj (talk) 18:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming "Nun" article 

message: I would like to apologize for my edits of last month, I shouldn’t have been so harsh and insensitive in the way I’ve done my edits. I’m sure there are a lot of people very sensitive around this issue. I was pretty triggered myself when I saw that no one in the last decades has  bothered to give an opportunity to the Sangha to voice their concerns over this. This has resulted in a large amount of people making the wildest assumptions on why the monks refuse the reestablishment in the Theravada community. (FYI: that's 130k views within the last 3 years)
My own primary concern was to point out that (beforehand, less now) this article tends to be pretty slanted and give a one-sided account of things.
Anyway I’m won’t be back contributing here, so if people are motivated to do so they can work on it further, I won’t.
Take care. 2607:9000:2000:19:0:0:0:A10D (talk) 13:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Bhikkhunī's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "door":
From Bhante Sujato: 
From Ajahn Brahm: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:46, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Bhikkhunī]] 

message: *Sighs*. Matty Weingast's book "the First Free Women" was a book of original poetry that was fraudulently marketed as as a translation of the Therigatha. The publisher Shambala agrees it is not a translation and says they did not market it as such, even though they obviously did. It should not be cited at all, TBH, except as a fraud. But if it is it should be described as what it is, a book of poetry by Weingast. But it's a poor choice for a quote about discrimination against bhikkhunis. I'd really appreciate it if my revision were not reverted and Shambala's lies not repeated as fact.  https://fakebuddhaquotes.com/the-first-free-women-as-literary-fraud/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.180.110.117 (talk) 00:01, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Weingast's book is not a translation