Talk:City Terminal Zone

message: So, we've got the schematic diagram cropped from the one at the main article, but it still has the same issue of having the HPA/LIC trains off the Main Line appear as a completely separate line that the NYP trains, when they don't diverge until Harold Interlocking shortly before the East River Tunnels. Any chance that you could merge the two. While it is atypical that trains toward LIC would stop at Forest Hills, except in a pinch, outbound it's more likely, and I'm just concerned that an unfamiliar reader would misunderstand it as four lines, not three. (Of course, there's increasingly a chance that it'll be only two in the near future, as there's only one LIC-bound train a day that actually uses the lower Montauk, the LIRR having moved its corresponding outbound train to the Main Line at the May 2010 schedule change. The inbound's days are numbered, I fear.) oknazevad19:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some improvements/corrections. I used the official map on the web site as my guide. And I added an arrowhead after Jamaica to indicate the continuation. What do you think now? --Bsherr (talk) 03:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I give two thumbs up. Same changes should be made at the original at main article. Thanks much!oknazevad (talk) 13:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the good review! I'll add the other diagram to the to-do list. Hah, the hazard of doing good work, I suppose. --Bsherr (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: With the merge of the table, I'm referring only to the information about connecting services presently. --Bsherr (talk) 23:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Atlantic Branch article already has the connections, so it wouldn't be anything new. And the other two would need more info than is included here. If you think that connections should be added at the station lists at Montauk Branch and Main Line (LIRR), that is a separate discussion, as it would have no effect on this article. It's not really a split/merge discussion at all. oknazevad (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see how you're thinking about it. Let me clarify. I am proposing that the information on connecting services be merged from this article (removed from this article) into the respective other articles (added to the others). So my intention is that this merge discussion include both whether the connecting services information should be removed from here, and whether it should be added to the others (which is why I put the templates on those articles too). In this way, whether to be added to the others is not a separate discussion, but rather is a part of this one. You're right to point out that the Atlantic Branch already has this information, so it should be checked to make sure it is consistent with what is here. While it may be true that more information can be added later about other connections, that shouldn't prevent the information that is here from being added. (The nature of Wikipedia is that, in a sense, it is always incomplete--there's rarely no more information to add. That's not an obstacle to adding some information.) Does this clarify? --Bsherr (talk) 01:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you're saying. I see no reason to remove the info from here (but I agree that it should be added to the others). As long as we have a station list here—and such a list is critical to understanding the CTZ, I believe—then there's no harm in including the connections. oknazevad (talk) 03:37, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, one possible reason to remove it here is that it would be redundant to the information in the line articles, right? --Bsherr (talk) 03:55, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

text: I know it's a throwback to something you said earlier, but I really mean it as a reason for not including it here. Don't you agree? --Bsherr (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm neutral on it. I see no harm in including the connections, but wouldn't stop their removal, so long as some form of station list remains. oknazevad (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Table merge

message: Let's see if I've got this right; The proposed Sunnyside (LIRR station) is supposed to serve passengers going to Penn Station, not Grand Central Terminal? ----DanTD (talk) 14:35, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer this old question, it is supposed to be for both, being located before the split of the tracks to the 63rd street tunnel, and therefore act as the last change point for passengers switching terminals, including especially Port Washington Branch passengers, as they can't change trains at Jamaica. Of course, exact stopping patterns of trains will factor, and vary over time (as all train schedules do; these are 100-year + infrastructure items).oknazevad (talk) 20:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Sunnyside Station