Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh/Archive 2

message: In view of the fact that we failed to come into terms with regard to the article content, I requested formal mediation. After more than two-weeks and 100 page-long debates, I am convinced that Rovoam is not interested in a objective and honest discussion, as he deliberately rejects all the facts, undermines any initiatives aimed at finding a consensus, continuously attempts to derail the discussion on page content through various speculations on facts and other editors’ statements and simply pushes for his biased POV. By his aggressive, biased and non-compromising stance Rovoam alienated almost all other editors from this discussion, including neutral editors Davenbelle (whom I asked for third party opinion), Cantus (who decided to leave WP), even Armenian editor Aramgutang (who is much less biased than Rovoam).
Moreover, Rovoam makes unilateral changes to the page content thus provoking revert and edit wars. This whole dispute started from initial unilateral changes introduced by Rovoam. This provoked my intervention and a brief revert war until I called for Davenbelle’s third party opinion. Davenbelle introduced some guidelines explicitly supported by me and implicitly by Rovoam, under which we both agreed not to make unilateral changes to the article content. Later, Davenbelle retreated from the discussion, but for a while both Rovoam and me refrained from unilateral edits (though there were some minor changes by Aramgutang, anon user adding pro-Armenian external links and Cantus). However, Rovoam now again introduced unilateral change. He removed label totallydisputed and included a sentence mentioning that Artsakh was part of Armenian kingdom, whereas simultaneously omitting that historically it was part of Caucasus Albania (see diff here). Astonishingly, himself having edited unilaterally the article content, Rovoam placed a notice calling other editors not to edit the page. So, it seems that according to Rovoam, he is the only one who has the right to edit the page as he wishes. (?!) I do not want to engage in a new revert war, therefore, I ask for formal mediation.--Tabib 14:09, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brief overview of the discussion and formal mediation request 

message: I've rolled back several edits by User:Rovoam that changed references to  N-K to include the word "Republic". I don't see where this usage is widely accepted in English usage, so per the naming convention it has to go. I trust I don't have to explain why improper moves (changing redirect into a copy&paste) are wrong. --Joy [shallot] 23:47, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you, please, clarify what are you trying to say? Rovoam 00:15, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Joy is trying to say that you Rovoam get increasingly aggressive in your actions aimed at pushing your propaganda. Seemingly this whole messy protracted discusion in Nagorno-Karabakh talkpage is not enough for you and now you switch to other pages and push your propaganda there. You changed Nagorno-Karabakh Republic which is a redirect to Nagorno-Karabakh and tried to create a parallel page which would reflect your propaganda. Moreover, you vandalized Caucasus Albania page by removing two important paragraphs written by earlier editors (not me!) which also mentioned Artsakh as part of Caucasus Albania. I warn you, these actions may result in serious reconsideration of your membership in Wikipedia.--Tabib 06:33, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text:  With reference to the first issue, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). For the second, see meta:Help:Renaming (moving) a page. --Joy [shallot] 23:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  improper move 

message: Thanks to the wonderful Turkic people (who invented Internet for us in XVII c. BC), the Wikipedia will soon be a Turkipedia – another great invention of Turks. 
So far we have learned the following:
*Troy was build by Turks (as this city is now located in Turkey);
*Assyrian and Urartian monuments are build by Turks (as they now located in Turkye);
*Persian poet Nizami was also Turk (as it happened);
*Greek and Armenian Christian churches are actually another form of Turkish Muslim tamples;
*Turks invented the first alphabet;
*Old Greek, Assyrian, Uratian, Armenian and Persian culture (and some territories too!) are now Turkish culture.
And even Wikipedia will soon become a Turkipedia 
66.53.55.53 20:52, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Wiki'''pedia to become '''Turki'''pedia soon 

message: Having observed this and related subjects for quite awhile, I really do not see any merit in postings accompanied by constant hairsplitting and opinion jockeying. Why launch personal attacks on a person, presenting his/her understanding of the matters in question in a pertinent fashion? Why literally chase user ROVOAM, e. g., (I suppose you do not claim, I were a sock puppet of his!?) for every presented opinion and force him into a corner, finally. This goes also for intimidation of other users, who are voicing their opinions. Though out of place in any situation, proud patriotism should not be mistaken for blind Nationalism. It becomes increasingly embarrassing to see "Turkish" causes brought forth, with the intention of stifling any other, independent opinion. Due reflection of the cited data and sources should precede blind posting of bits and pieces, gathered on the net and introduced into the discussion, just because they SEEM plausible. The one making the most commotion, involving admins, sysops and mediators as a rule, need not necessarily be the one with the "right" info.
--StuffedTurkey 21:16, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sincere concern for objectivity should not escalate into artritious word fights and invariable persecution of other users 

message: Quit attacking Tabib. That is unfair. He has his own opinion and there ought to be room on Wikipedia for it. We are proud of our TURKISH background. Some others seem to be only jeallous of our National Unity and Bondage. That's how we are and SHALL REMAIN!!! WE SIMPLY ARE --Baku Ibne 23:13, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave Tabib allone!!!!! All of you! 

message: ***Dear friend 66.53.218.147, please contact me at: kiramtuyedahanet@mac.com. I have good news for you! with respect to your comment!--Tigranes 01:13, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: = Tabib (and other Turki/Azeri people) are already taking all room in ''Wiki''pedia, making it ''Turki''pedia. He is so proud of his Turkish background that all other users are prohibeted from this resource. Does this site exist only for Turkic people? If yes I will leave forever! Because I hate all Turkish vandals!!! [[User:66.53.218.147|66.53.218.147]] 00:22, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) 

message: Why are you so cross with me, Tabib? You are mistaken about the term IBNE, it is NOT Persian at all, it is TURKISH!!! I thought you'd understand. I tried to explain to you that we are birds of a feather, namely "IBNE". When reading all those comprehensive postings of yours, it became clear to me: YOU ARE 100 percent "IBNE", Tabib! Please don't exert yourself and calm down.
--Baku Ibne 09:48, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My intention was NOT aggravating EDITOR TABIB, in fact I share a lot of sentiments with him! 

message: 1-Why does this page revolve solely around personal vendettas, by now?
2-User Tabib, just what is abusive about my user name (I love Thanksgiving!)
3-Would someone (in charge) put an end to this, by now rediculous, drama and delete all entries entirely irrelevant and unrelated  to the subject??!!
--StuffedTurkey 14:38, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page looks like a bomb crater! How about sorting out "Nagorno Karabakh" content? 

message: One wonders why Turkish editors try to manifest themselves as a party having any involvement in QARABAQ matters??? Firstly they have no remaining vested interest in that geographic area, occupied by a  majority of Armenians, with probably no Turkic inhabitants left at all. Furthermore, the Turks, originating from central Asia, have no real history in Qarabaq. Even during the few centuries of Turks prevalent in the area, they had hardly any say there, being ruled by PERSIANS and later RUSSIANS! Before that ancient Persian and Caucasian rulers and Mongols prevailed. The only Turk significance in this part of the world can be attributed to the Seljuk and Aq/Qaraquyounlou periods. So what's in it for Turks at all? Especially modern ones? Why not come to terms with the fact that their part is insignificant and at best nostalgic. It is therefore better to let pertinent editors present their understanding of the subject, without constant emotion laden disruptions by Turk zealots.
--Twinkletoes 17:53, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do Turk editors get emotional on this subject? (And disruptive?) 

message: I find rather hypocritic from your part to tell us all here how you have proved this or that and how you are attacked... when you yourself have participated in the Armenian genocide entry and tried to introduce revisionism of the second most studied genocide. I wonder how after trying to make of wikipedia a Turkish government propaganda webspace(in the Armenian genocide section at least) you could have the face to picture yourself as a victim.
Another note, there are many historical mistakes in your posts, and some are even basics such as locations etc. But for now, it's beside the point, since my reason of posting this was to ask you a question in regard to what I've said: Tabib, after your attempt of revisionism at the Armenian genocide section, why should anyone believe your sincerity?-Fadix
:This groundless accusation has no relation whatsoever to this talkpage. And I'm not going to respond to this yet another attack and provocation by another Armenian editor. To make it clear to neutral and honest editors, here are my edits (or "my attempts at revisionism", as the user above termed it) at "Armenian genocide" page: first edit, putting label disputed; second edit, restoring label disputed. By the way this label is still there and should be there as long as the dispute remains. --Tabib 18:09, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)
:::Tabib, in my answer, I did not refer to your ethnicity, because I considered it totally irrelevant, what matter here is what is posted from someone, and not his ethnicity, yet your first answer dedicated to me you tell me: “yet another attack and provocation by another Armenian editor.” This is purely offending, I don't see why my ethnicity is of any relevancy. Do you see reason why you should bring my ethnicity into the picture and catalog me as another Armenian editor to ignore me? I was to defend you, because as I read, it is obvious you were attacked unfairly, I was waiting your answer before supporting you because of the cheap attacks you were receiving. But after your answer labeling me as if “Armenian” was an insult, and using that to ignore me, I retract from my initial personal decision to support you.
:::Secondly, and this is a question of honesty and trust. You claim having added the label disputed and editing it later. This is not only what you did, you changed the population numbers as well to introduce your biased figures. -Fadix
===This is turning into a scandal!===
Will we ever be spared dirty tricks and yet more exclamatory wisdom from user Tabib. After previously catching this user red handed, trying to rig opinions (Deli-Eshek Talk/Parviz), we learn that there seems to be much more under the tip of the Eiseberg!!! On top of that he whines into everybody's ear and files countless "complaints" apparently solely to devert attention from his own immoral conduct. I fear we may soon be dealing with looser Tabib. Some one do something to spare us this cabale!!!--LIGerasimova 19:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: To Tabib

message: Will we ever be spared dirty tricks and yet more exclamatory wisdom from user Tabib. After previously catching this user red handed, trying to rig opinions (Deli-Eshek Talk/Parviz), we learn that there seems to be much more under the tip of the Eiseberg!!! On top of that he whines into everybody's ear and files countless "complaints" apparently solely to devert attention from his own immoral conduct. I fear we may soon be dealing with looser Tabib. Some one do something to spare us this cabale!!!--LIGerasimova 19:40, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This is turning into a '''scandal'''!

message: Fadix, if you can give me any concrete references to this “historical note”, such as the exact report title, author’s name and most importantly, CRS code number, we can talk. Otherwise, I will not give way to this provocative post containing nothing more than blatantly false propaganda statements, and moreover passing these statements on behalf of the Congressional Research Service. 
Also, the historical belonging of Artsakh to Caucasus Albania has been already discussed and proved. (see, 1; 2; 3; as well as above (last posts). The issue of “Greater Armenia”, which at times conquered Artsakh, as well as mentioning some antique chroniclers (Strabo etc.) describing borders of this empire were also addressed throughout the discussion: (see same as above, esp. for clarification on Strabo et. al.; also 1).
I do not want to turn this talkpage into a forum for historical disputes and in fact, throughout the whole discussion, I continuously resisted such attempts by User:Rovoam, but I think it is important to respond briefly to User:Fadix’s manipulations with historical facts on ethnic composition of Karabakh. 
It is an indisputable historical fact that up until the end of XIX c. Azeris comprised the majority of population in Karabakh as opposed to Armenians. According to the taxation register of the Karabakh province, prepared by the Russian officials Yermolov and Mogilevsky, soon after the elimination of the Karabakh khanate in 1823, Azeris comprised 78.3 % of population in Karabakh whereas Armenians comprised only 21.7%. Actually, this taxation register can be considered the first population census conducted in Karabakh. 
Armenian population began to grow in numbers only after Russian conquest of the Caucasus in early XIX c. followed by Russo-Iranian and Russo-Turkish wars. These wars resulted in massive resettlements of Armenians and other Armenian refugee inflows into the Caucasus, including to Azerbaijan and esp. to Karabakh. Each war between Russian Empire and Persia in 1826 and 1828, as well as Russia and Ottoman Turkey in 1828, 1853-1856, 1877-1879 and also during Armenian riots in 1894 brought a new wave of Armenian settlers and refugees to Caucasus. Russians were interested in resettling strongly pro-Russian Christian Armenians in Caucasus; Iranians and Ottomans were also interested in “getting rid” of mutinous Armenian minority within their borders. The peace treaties signed between Russian Empire and Iran, as well as Russian Empire and Ottoman Turkey provide special provisions on resettlement of Armenians to Caucasus. 
Russian author Shavrov wrote in 1911 “Of 1 million 300 thousand Armenians living nowadays in South Caucasus, more than 1 million don't belong to the indigenous population of the region and were settled by us”  Shavrov N.I. “New threat to the Russian affairs in the Transcaucasus: forthcoming sale of Mughan to strangers” (Novaya ugroza russkomu delu v Zakavkazye: predstoyashaya rasprodazha Mugani inorodcam) Saint Petersburg 1911. Shavrov, wrote this in the context of his criticism of the methods of the Russian colonial politics, which, as the author believed, “began its colonial activity not from settling the Russian people in Transcaucasus, but from settling there the strangers[i.e. Armenians]”
As a result of massive Armenian resettlement in Caucasus and Azerbaijan, including Karabakh, the percentage of the Azeris living in Karabakh radically dropped whereas percentage of the Armenians grew. According to All-Russian population census of 1897, of total population of Karabakh Azeris constituted 53%, Armenians- 45%. As you can see, throughout the XIX c. the percentage of Azeris in Karabakh dropped from 78% to 53%, whereas percentage of Armenians grew from 22% to 45%. In subsequent years following the first ethnic clashes between Azeri and Armenians and World War I, which brought a new wave of Armenian refugees in Karabakh, Azeris decreased in numbers even further. 
In 1923 when Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast(Region) (NKAO) was formed, with its borders drawn artificially dividing lowland and upland parts of Karabakh, Armenians comprised 95 % of the population of this entity. However, since this census was conducted in winter, most of the Karabakh Azeris were in lowland Karabakh and therefore, they were not counted. (historically Karabakh Azeris had a semi-nomadic lifestyle and were mostly engaged in cattle breeding grazing their herds in mountains of upland Karabakh during summer and in lowland Karabakh plains in winter; pretty much like some Montenegrins and Vlachs at that time). 
With sovetization, most of the Karabakh Azeris were forced to settle down in lowland Karabakh plains and since then, Armenians constituted a majority in mountainous (Nagorno-)Karabakh.
So far I did not insist  in inclusion of these historical facts in the Nagorno-Karabakh page. As I said to Rovoam in one of my earlier posts, I did not insist in inclusion of lots of facts which I could rightfully include in the text (such as ethnic cleansing of Azeris from Karabakh, Khojaly massacre of 1992, massive Armenian resettlement in XIX c. etc.). namely because I wanted to avoid protracted conflicts between myself and some Armenian users, who would certainly resist to inclusion of these facts in the page. However, I see that this concession was in vain and was not appreciated at all. --Tabib 11:18, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)
::You lost me there Mr. Tabib, I thought you were here to discuss about history, what’s this intimidation all for? I am not posting propaganda, I just referred to a source I found relevant, if you wanted to know more about it, you could have gently asked, but this is not what you did. Beside that, those words are not mine, and the source is accurate, it has been later reproduced by a publication of the Zoryan institute as well.(1988) There is another one reconfirming it, published under the title: “Nagornyi Karabagh from the Earliest Times to 1917.”(again from the Library of Congress) if it is false information according to you, OK! I understand, but what is the point of accusing me of blatantly false propaganda statements when those are not my words?
::Now you bring the Azeris into the picture, it is true that the Tartars were a majority in the Karabagh province, but I thought that Nagorno-Karabagh, as in Artsakh is the Mountainous Karabagh excluding most of the territories that the Tartars constituted a majority. Do you see now when I told you that there are many basic location mistakes in what I meant? You then bring the Armenian population “relocation,” true,(not entirly though) but many of those Armenians were as well relocated from regions that now are part of Azerbaijan. Beside that, it is kind of ironic that you ask me to give more information about my source, when you present none for yours, you just tell me this person wrote this or that. 
::Another point, you justify your position by claiming that Azeris were nomadic, but how can you then claim they constituted a majority in the mountainous region, when while Armenians stayed there, Azeris change location. 
::I won’t continue discussing about this, unless you accept my point of view and accept reading beside shouting that I am spreading propaganda, and besides, I haven’t forgotten your attack against my person in your other answer, and I request formal apology. Fadix 23:10, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Another attempt at manipulation with the historical facts

message: I am not going to respond to post above by User:Fadix, containing baseless allegations which, as I said, have been already addressed earlier and moreover, contain ungrounded demand for “accepting [his] point of view” and apologizing for “intimidation” (?!) , a false accusation which is itself offending. The facts about Caucasus Albania and its historical province of Artsakh are already proved (even Rovoam could not hide away from accepting it. see last posts)
The reason why I write now is different. I want to inform the editors about recent provocative actions by User:Rovoam aimed at further escalating the conflict and spreading this conflict to other pages. 
Rovoam, whose case is currently being investigated by ArbCom , continues his extremely disruptive actions and vandalism. He continues to vandalize the page Caucasus Albania deleting paragraphs about Artsakh being a part of this ancient state (see diff  and last vandalism – . Btw, this paragraph was written previously by third party editors (i.e. neither Armenian nor Turkish or Azeri editors). Rovoam’s first vandalism was reverted by me and reported in this talkpage. (see above). 
In his second attempt to delete the paragraph about Artsakh, Rovoam tries to “justify” his vandalism by alleging that Artsakh, before being part of Caucasus Albania was part of Urartu. However, this is nonsense. First, if Rovoam has some allegation, let him prove his allegations in talkpages and not  delete already proven facts. Second, as I previously showed substantiating my arguments with maps, Urartu was situated in present-day eastern Turkey; present-day Karabakh was definitely not “a historical province” of Urartu, as Rovoam alleges. Rovoam himself knows that he simply cannot prove his allegations. That is why he resorts to such tricks aimed at escalating the conflict, confusing public opinion and subsequently, using this confusion for his propaganda pushing.
Simultaneously, Rovoam continues his attempts to create an alternative second page to already existing Nagorno-Karabakh. He tries to make Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, which is itself a redirect page to Nagorno-Karabakh, a separate page, in which he could present his biased POV as opposed to Nagorno-Karabakh, where his attempts have failed and he have been reverted numerously by me and other third party editors. Rovoam made FOUR attempts to create an alternative second page for Nagorno-Karabakh. He was numerously reverted by me and User:Joy, his actions were reported above along with his vandalism in Caucasus Albania page. Here are the diff. from the history log of Nagorno-Karabakh Republic redirect page: (first attempt, second attempt, third attempt, fourth attempt
Moreover, Rovoam acting under anon IP 64.136.2.254 previously also tried to redirect present Nagorno-Karabakh page to Nagorno-Karabakh Republic but was always reverted by User:Davenbelle. He will probably continue his attempts, therefore I call every honest and impartial editor to counter such malicious and provocative actions by Rovoam and the like. I will add these recent actions by this person as evidence to his case.--Tabib 09:11, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
::Tabib, I don’t know all the story between you and Rovoam, and I have no idea of what Rovoam is doing, but given your answer to me, I can understand his behaviour. This place is the talk page, and there is nothing such as “proving” of history of the region thousands of years ago, it is about the word evidences. And again as I said, you are mixing Karabagh with the mountainous Nagarno-Karabagh, this entry is about the later. You have displayed your ignorance when you have presented the Tatar statistics of the entire Karabagh with Nagorno-Karabagh statistics. How can you do such a huge mistake and yet use strong words like “proven”? If you make such obvious mistakes, I can understand the desperation of Rovoam, considering that you seem to ignore what land covers Nagorno-Karabagh, that is not entirely the Abanian Artsakh. I will just show you here how you manipulated the statistics of the region. You claimed that the Azeris in Karabagh constituted 53% against 43% for the Armenians… then you bring a number that do not follow the first one. But here is the problem Mr. Tabib, let use the Russian survey of 1832. From the survey, 64.8% were Azeris Tartar, and 34.8% Armenians. Those are the type of numbers you are trying to manipulate. This is for the whole Karabagh, if we stick to mountainous Karabagh, we find out that Armenians were concentrated in 8 of the 21 districts or mahals. Which means that those 34.8% of Armenians populated 38% of the land, which also mean that Armenians represented 91.5% of the Mountainous Karabagh region. Those are the kind of mistakes you’ve made in your texts, you have as well mistaken Albanian Kingdom regions, but this is beside the point, because you seem to tell us that because there was a “Kingdom” war between two groups, that it means that once a region becomes part of a kingdom it does not contain another ethnic group. The point here is, have Armenians lived in what we know now as Artsakh? The answer is obviously yes, they have populated that region, at about 600 BC, and this regardless of if there were Albanians living there or not. Don’t forget that this place is meant to be apolitical, which means [no falsification], that it should speak about the history of the mountainous Karabagh region, and ONLY that region, and when taking only that region, we realise that the borders between the Armenian Kingdom and Albanian Kingdom are still not well established. In short, that’s what it means, no one with certitude could say anything about it, because even when naming a region, we have no idea if the Artsakh of the past was the same as the present one, and we have strong evidences they were not. There was no map thousands of years ago, were they any? So I wonder how you “proved;” that’s a strong word, evidences and “proves” are not the same. Something remain though, the Artsakh of the present time, is probably not the same, and that Armenians claim it was Armenian hundreds of years BC, and there are evidences that this is true, and there are that it wasn’t, and probably the reason of this contradiction is the delimitation of territories.   Fadix 15:41, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spreading this conflict to other pages Disruptive actions by Rovoam continue 

message: Serious disclaimer, after reviewing the Nagorno-Karabagh entry, there are serious mistakes, not only this, but there are copies from materials coming from Azerbaijan ministry of foreign affairs publications. The word Gregorianization is even regurgitated. The entry has just plain and inaccurate informations, as well as obvious intentional deletion of informations such as the fact that during Soviet times, a Red Kurdistan was founded there, attempted by the Soviet authorities which failed. The Azeris government is the only side trying to hide that fact, because it differentiate an integral part and the notion of autonomous oblask. Fadix 16:16, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: SERIOUS DISCLAIMER

message: Here, as on SAFAVIDS page user Tabib tries to impress with a vast array of hearsay and unreflected patchwork of data, as has previously been repeatedly discerned by a number of editors. Again, he is proven to have copied internet sources, without actually comprehending the respective contexts!! Nevertheless User Tabib seems to be driven by spite to simultaneously insist on posting information, conspicuous with inaccuracies and "half truths", and at the same time foul mouthing me and a host of other editors. Funnily enough, his entire concern seems to be to cover up for his obviously inaccurate "editing", by downright silly personal attacks on other users, constantly whining into admins ears and filing complaints, seeking arbitration. WHAT, pray tell me, is in it for the READERS here??? Someone consulting an encyclopedia does not want to have to deal with mental problems of berserk "editors", posting anything but factual information!!??  I firmly believe, ethnic POV and silly agenda pushing have no place on Wikipedia.
===answer===
::Dude, why don't you quit? Why are you spamming Wikipedia, that Mr. Tabib is in a propaganda war, it isn't of Wikipedia neither their users fault. Let him write that the Gregorian Christian Albanians were "Gregorized" as it is claimed in the Azeris foreign ministry web-site. One day, when he understand that Armenians and Albanians both were Gregorians, because of Gregory the Illuminotor as father of both Church, he'll understand what an absurd claim it was. Let him bring his website here, and use the place as a continuation of his website, let him mix Karabagh and mountanous Karabagh. I just hope he does not bring his Armenian genocide denialist materials at the genocide section,(Ironicaly he has an entry titled "Khojali genocide") because that I won't tolerate.Fadix 23:07, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Tabib, why don't you leave history to the ones who know something about it? (And the rest of us allone?) 

message: ::Dude, why don't you quit? Why are you spamming Wikipedia, that Mr. Tabib is in a propaganda war, it isn't of Wikipedia neither their users fault. Let him write that the Gregorian Christian Albanians were "Gregorized" as it is claimed in the Azeris foreign ministry web-site. One day, when he understand that Armenians and Albanians both were Gregorians, because of Gregory the Illuminotor as father of both Church, he'll understand what an absurd claim it was. Let him bring his website here, and use the place as a continuation of his website, let him mix Karabagh and mountanous Karabagh. I just hope he does not bring his Armenian genocide denialist materials at the genocide section,(Ironicaly he has an entry titled "Khojali genocide") because that I won't tolerate.Fadix 23:07, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: answer

message: I have temporarily protected Nagorno-Karabakh Republic from editing, on request from one of its editors.  Please see Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh Republic for more details.  Please make comments on the protection on that talk page and not here. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 19:47, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected [[Nagorno-Karabakh Republic]]

message: I have protected the article on request.
The current revert war has continued for about a week now.  Currently Arbcom is contemplating sanctions against both parties to this as a result of your joint propensity for revert warring and personal attacks.  It would be in both your interests to stop arguing and start hammering out a form of words that you can both agree correctly expresses all major viewpoints on this matter.  Then maybe Arbcom will not penalise you both with a revert parole and personal attack paroles or worse. This is probably the last chance you will get. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 13:51, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As there's no ongoing discussion I've unprotected the article. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 16:09, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Protected this article