Talk:Kenneth R. Miller

message: Why did someone remove "That decision was reversed on appeal, and the case is still pending in 2006." The article describes an opinion from a lower court, when in fact the decision has been thrown out. It misleads the reader about the outcome of the case. Roger 00:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is how you can verify that the decision was vacated. Click on the "article" above, and then click on Selman v. Cobb County, which has its own WP article. Then click on "11th circuit appeal decision" to download the appellate opinion in pdf format. Open the pdf file in Acrobat, and then search for the term "vacated". You'll find the last sentence, which is "VACATED and REMANDED for further factfindings consistent with this opinion." Your earlier edit was with the comment, ": Here is how you can verify that the decision was vacated. Click on the "article" above, and then click on [Selman v. Cobb County], which has its own WP article. Then click on "11th circuit appeal decision" to download the appellate opinion in pdf format. Open the pdf file in Acrobat, and then search for the term "vacated". You'll find the last sentence, which is "VACATED and REMANDED for further factfindings consistent with this opinion." Your earlier edit had the comment, "does anyone actually both to read the opinions? jeeze", so I don't know how you missed it. Roger 05:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah ok, here is the issue at hand. The word "vacated" as I understand it can have different meanings. Now I'm not a lawyer, but whenever a case is remanded it is vacated as a matter of procedure. There are other ways a case can be vacated (I think) but what really happened here is remanding which happens to include vacating (if someone here is a lawyer who knows more about this could comment it might be helpful). JoshuaZ 05:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, a case can be remanded without the entire decision being vacated. But regardless, I have proved to you that the court used the "vacated", so you should be satisfied that the term is correct. Roger 07:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  I put the word "vacated" back in, and I removed the out-of-date link. Roger 07:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh look Rog, gee what a surprise. Selman has been settled out of court.  Cobb County finally realised it had not a snowball's chance in hell?  The King of Spain's beard 13:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cobb county decision 

message: Is he an atheist?  How is he opposed to the idea of creationism, but he's a Roman Catholic? Oreo
He is a Catholic. He is opposed to ID that contradicts evolution. See Evolution and the Roman Catholic Church (Runwiththewind 14:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read Finding Darwin's God. He's not an atheist. He fully explains that. If you read the book and still disagree then that's your loss (and stubborn error)... Kthxbai.--Strabismus (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Confused

message: I would like it to be cited that his undergraduate degree is Sc.B as it is shown in the article. Thanks. Kushal 17:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sc.B 

message: FYI according to his publisher Miller will be on the Colbert Report June 16th.  Read more here (you'll have to scroll to find the mention of his new book "Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America’s Soul" ) Also Miller wrote this article this week on Expelled, Ben Stein, and intelligent design creationism that might be of interest.  Midnight Gardener (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Miller on Colbert June 16th

message: Couldn't anybody find a more flattering picture? 68.118.177.138 (talk) 18:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: "... is particularly known for his opposition to creationism, including the intelligent design (ID) movement...." That statement is nonesense. There is a difference between intelligent design and creationism. Intelligent design is not included in Creatinists as it is perfectly possible that an intelligent design proponent isn't a proponent of creationism. If in anyway it would be other way round with creationism being a part of a broader family of intelligent design theories. 
Also, since Miller takes a controversial stance, where is the criticism against his positions mentioned? --41.132.250.120 (talk) 18:56, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Intelligent design is nothing more than reinvented creationism, with lots of sources to back this up.  Miller is defending the mainstream viewpoint, so "criticism" of his viewpoint would be undue weight.  WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 01:23, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intelligent Design and Creationism 

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