Talk:Heckler & Koch G3

message: It's well known that in the final years of the Rhodesian Bush War as sources for FALs dried up that large numbers of G3s were imported to Rhodesia from Portugal.  But they were mainly issued to police, paramilitray and other secondary formations.  I would hardly call these "select units" which implies that quality formation got them.  In fact the G3 was not popular amongst Rhodesian troops who prefered their FALs.  The current article even mentiones the Grey's Scouts.  I've never seen a photo of a Grey's Scout with a G3. 
Would someone like to provide some information supporting the current version of the text before I alter it?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trench raider (talk • contribs) 15:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhodesian Use?

message: I am new to Wikipedia, so I don't know how things work, India uses HK G-3 special variants (Heckler & Koch PSG1) and MAYBE some G-3 battle rifles, used by the Indian army, MARCOS, National Security Guard, and more, can someone add India in the users list? Mig Pilot (talk) 08:07, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You can, but provide citations regarding the user(s).--Francis Flinch (talk) 18:30, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Indian use on G3s?

message: I put up tags to merge the Swedish Ak 4 and Norwegian AG-3 into the main body. Not enough unique features or even information to warrant separate articles IMNSHO. Koalorka (talk) 01:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Scandinavian variants?

message: Why do people keep deleting my mention of the US as G3 user? The List of individual weapons of the US armed forces clearly states to G3 as in use and the image on this page also shows a US marine using a G3. ANK  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.124.49.175 (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please indicate your source. The G3 used by the Marine is likely captured from insurgents or confiscated from a civilian. The closest the US armed forces came to using an HK roller-delayed firearm was the H&R T223, which is a license version of the HK33, used in VERY small numbers by special task groups in the 1960s/70s. Koalorka (talk) 21:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

text: It's not there, and if it ever was, it must have been a mistake or somekind of oversight.Koalorka (talk) 21:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I removed it.  It's one of those "Special Forces limited use" type of entries.  If so, the US used the Mig 15 and Mig 25 as well. --I am Asamuel (talk) 21:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If we had a solid source, I don't see why it couldn't be included. We list individual PD's on some guns... Koalorka (talk) 00:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it as it was sourced as being used by US Army Rangers and Navy Seals in  the 1970's/80's in the book "Small Arms Today" 2nd Edition (published 1988) by Edward Ezell. There's even an NSN number. --AdAstra2009 (talk) 22:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  US as user 

message: I've noticed the MC51 page lacks content and is pretty much a copy-paste from Security Arms. It is nothing more than a custom-made chopped variant of the G3 manufactured by FR Ordnance in very limited numbers and has seen little use with the SAS. The mention of it on this page is sufficient in my view. Koalorka (talk) 02:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: MC51 merge

message: I've changed "get around the Semi-Auto Import Ban of 1989" to "comply with the Semi-Auto Import Ban of 1989", as the former version is in my view POV (i.e. it suggests that by introducing the SR9, H&K was attempt to circumvent US laws). I also changed "high-capacity magazine" to "standard-capacity magazine". The standard magazine capacity for all G3-variants is 20 rounds. 59.100.42.109 (talk) 11:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: SR9 Section

message: I just have a few questions about the Iranian version of the G3:
*Can it be mounted with an M203 or other 40mm grenade launcher?
*Can it be modified with a collapsible and/or folding stock?
*Can it be given the 50 round drum magazine as well as the 20 round box mag?
*Does it have selective fire?
Any answers or possible answers to any number of the above questions would be useful and appreciated. BleedingEffect (talk) 00:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DIO G3 Bullpup 

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message: I noticed it doesn't have a paddle release, indicating it has a semi auto shelf welded in  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.16.225 (talk) 15:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main picture of the Article is not a G3A3?? 

message: The source on the page,http://world.guns.ru/assault/de/hk-g3-e.html, categorizes the G3 as an Assault Rifle. "Battle" rifle is a vague and poorly defined category of firearm created in the 1980s by American gun magazines such as Soldier Of Fortune, Battle Rifle is a term not used by any military or by other countries outside the US in the english speaking world. To some, a Battle Rifle is a variant of Assault Rifle, to others, it is distinct from an Assault Rifle. Since the G3 is German made gun, it would make sense to call it a Battle Rifle only if Heckler & Koch called it that, and I don't see a source of HK doing that. The assault rifles that are more generally categorized as Battle rifles by American gun magazines are heavier descendants of the M1 Garand such as the M14 and Springfield M1A. Then there is the FN FAL and its many variants, which all straddle the line between Assault Rifle and Battle Rifle. Not so much the select fire G3.Walterego (talk) 01:43, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what the definition of an assault rifle is in Russia, the definitions used on WP is that weapons chambered for full power cartridges, such as the 7.62x51mm, are battle rifles, not assault rifles. Thomas.W (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Encyclopedia Britannica, the G3 is specifically categorized as an assault rifle.  "Widely used assault rifles are the United States’ M16, the Soviet Kalashnikov (the AK-47 and modernized versions), the Belgian FAL and FNC, and the German G3." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/39165/assault-rifle  Walterego (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Which, as I have pointed out to you, are examples that contradict the first sentence of Encyclopaedia Britannica's definition of "assault rifle". Thomas.W (talk) 12:32, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't contradict itself. It contradicts your notion of what that sentence means, a notion which you have formed from elsewhere. The source specifically supports that the G3 is an assault rifle. Can you supply a source that states otherwise? Walterego (talk) 12:51, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assault Rifle or Battle Rifle?

message: a 50 rd drum is seen on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fDF0f-dOdA  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hardtofindausername (talk • contribs) 12:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  50 Round drum on a G3 

message: Who exactly used the G3 during Vietnam? Source?--172.162.2.93 (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: People keep saying the G3 was used by Navy SEALs as they have never heard of the Harrison Richards T223( a Heckler & Koch HK33 clone made under license.) However it seems that Thailand was using the G3 at that time. 174.22.22.233 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vietnam War? 

message: The text reads "4 right-hand grooves with a 305 mm twist rate".
I'm familiar with twist rates specified as the number of turns in a given distance along the barrel, such as a rifle with a 1:10 twist being 1 turn in 10 inches. Is the text trying to say one turn in 305 mm? Let's clarify this.
Poihths (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: 305mm is approximately 12 inches, so 1 in 12 is my guess. That's pretty standard for 147gr 7.62x51mm NATO. — Bardbom (talk) 05:22, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twist rate? 

message: Preserving here by providing this link. My rationale was: "WP:CATALOG: excessive and promotional detail; uncited; list of wars is non-informative". I also removed excessive external links. Please let me know if there are any concerns. --K.e.coffman (talk) 21:58, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edit

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message: ... is, according to ISO-Standard a (fixed) space. Points and commas are decimal signs - depending on language. Can somebody sober fix this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.64.113.107 (talk) 21:03, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thousands separators 

message: Most of, or all of the "Design Details" section appears to be sourced almost verbatim from this page: https://www.majesticconsultancy.net/land-force-army/automatic-rifle-g3a3-g3p4/ (edit, archived link: https://archive.ph/05e3k) but this page is not linked/included in either the "References" or "External Links" sections of this article. I haven't immediately added that link to those sections because I'm not sure whether the text on this article should be counted as plagiarizing or violating copyrights of the linked page and thus edited/removed entirely, or not.
 
If it is plagiarized and should be removed, I have not yet found a page/source with as exhaustive descriptions as the Majestic Consultancy link, nor any sources leading from or to that page in particular. The text of the "Design Details" section is also nearly identical on the G41 and HK33 Wikipedia articles (with appropriate edits for each model), which I can see would make sense since they share manufacturers and specific components, but the issue remains of that text being sourced from the Majestic Consultancy page without being properly sourced, it seems. I also haven't found any indication that the Majestic Consultancy page or text on it is in the public domain. I started a talk topic because more experienced Wikipedians will probably know what to do here (if anything) better than me. 
I noticed this when making minor edits to the "Sights" section of the HK G41 page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heckler_%26_Koch_G41&action=history, and saw that a few of the sections under "Design Details" seem to be identical across the G3, G41, and HK33 Wikipedia articles. Trying to verify if "Drehvisier A" was a specific model name or just a typo led me to the aforementioned Majestic Consultancy page and finding that the "History" and "Design Details" sections are sourced nearly exactly from that page, for this G3 article and the G41 and HK33 articles.
Again, I gathered that starting a "Talk" topic about this observation was the first thing to do, to see if it's really an issue or not. Ngc1381 (talk) 00:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Design Details" section is potentially improperly sourced