Talk:78violet

message: I merged in from the other Aly and AJ page and tried to remove duplications and ran into trouble.  Could someone please clean up the page and remove the cleanup tag I added? Tedernst 17:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for merging the pages. It would be my pleasure to clean up this page, as I am the original creator. Thank you again for the merging of the pages! Vmatikov 23:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: Where r u people finding that Into the Rush is certified gold because I have looked all through the RIAA website and i can't find it.
:I checked and found it there as gold certified on March 20, 2006.24.64.223.203 03:24, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RIAA 

message: Are these sections really necessary? "Similar artists" is a very vague term, and any given artist could be influenced by hundreds of sources, many of which do not merit Wikipedia articles. Therefore these sections seem inappropriate or just out of place. -Rosepuff12 03:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  It's also basically POV and hard to cite or verify.  I'll remove the section.  --Yamla 04:17, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. -Rosepuff12 16:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar Artists and Influenced by 

message: I don't think the interview is necessary because the page is about Aly and AJ's accomplishments and the interview is just not appropiate for the page. It might be to gossipy too. Not everything could be true on the page.
- Rosepuff12 14:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which interview are we talking about?  The article references at least two.  If you are talking about the interview where they proclaim their disbelief in evolution, I think it is very much relevant.  They obviously believe it is relevant enough to proclaim unto the world and in any case, the article doesn't exist solely as marketing.  I know this is not what you are even remotely implying, Rosepuff, I just think it is very relevant.  --Yamla 14:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think the information should stay. It was their choice to bring it up in a public manner. Also, it's at least partially related to the other things mentioned in that paragraph - their mother belonging to a Christian music group, the fact that they are home schooled. If it doesn't seem like it flows properly in the article, that can be changed over time as people add more information and context about Aly & AJ, but the raw info, including their quotes, should definitely stay, in my opinion. Serpent-A 19:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok so I guess you're right. It'll stay, even though I still don't think it belongs on there. -Rosepuff12 23:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview 

message: I should really point out that both Alyson and Amanda use Code Names when they are credited for their musical works, and I believe in code names.  While this ain't no Metal Gear Solid "thing", the fact that Alyson and AJ uses "code names" or "pseudonyms" warrant the article to use their code names to credit them.  Therefore, personally, and from my point-of-view, we should be addressing the Michalka sisters by their "code names", even though this ain't no military.  I had to make a minor edit because using code names in this article (unless it's a single person) makes the article look more uniform IMO.  Therefore, I appreciate if Alyson is code-named ALY and Amanda is code-named AJ, much like the record label.  Thanks. — Mark Kim (Reply/Start Talk) 05:06, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Code Name System 

message: Alright, let's settle this so we don't have a revert war. I see four distinct schools of thought on how to handle this evolution business. The two expressed their disbelief in the:
#process of evolution
#theory of evolution
#process of what they consider to be the 'theory' of evolution
#(this sentence should be removed because it does not belong in a brief overview encyclopedic biography)
Option 4 is my preference. Is this really one of the most important things about these two? Is it even the most important thing from the Blender interview? To me, including it at all seems to be a POV attempt to ridicule Aly & AJ, Christians, or both. (I am neither a Christian nor an Aly & AJ fan, in case you were wondering.)
My second choice would be option 2, including the link I just added to what a scientific theory is. It's a shame scientifically illiterate people abuse the word theory, with regard to evolution, to make evolution seem less believable; but again, those people are usually scientifically illiterate. The fact is, as the theory article explains, evolution fits exactly the definition of a scientific theory.
I don't understand the reversion to "process". Theory is the much more commonly understood term, and it makes more sense in the context of the sentence (to me). If you can show me verifiable sources that science has made a sea change to favor process over theory, fine, but I doubt that is the case. The function of theories in science is long established and important; I would be disappointed if the community changed its terminology for PR reasons.
As for option 3, the scare quotes are clearly a POV attempt to make it look like anyone who disbelieves evolution must be stupid, and that people who use the word theory to describe evolution are incorrect and are using it disparagingly. I trust I've discussed both points at length.
I'd like to see the thoughts of others on this issue here rather than in an edit war. --SuperNova |T|C| 18:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll go along with the word theory if it means that much to you, just so long as the word is linked to its scientific usage. Their unusual beliefs are very much relevant to the article, as has been discussed previously on this talk page. Serpent-A 20:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: well, I'm with the vast majority of the western world and do believe in evolution, buuut I think what AJ adds into the Blender interview shows a clear misunderstanding of the theory of evolution, so I think it should be pointed out that its their (blatantly incorrect) understanding of the theory. 72.206.97.34
I'm not a fan of the group and as a scientist I don't give credence to the views of the misinformed on evolution.  However, I find the reference here to the girls' beliefs regarding evolution to be completely out of context for the article.  Someone mentions evolution out of the blue based on a select excerpt from a Blender article, yet not a single other view the girls hold is mentioned anywhere else in the article (other than the fact that they don't consider themselves a Christian Pop group).  Why is their belief or disbelief in evolution being singled out as important when no other belief or disbelief is?  Seems to me someone has an agenda, although the issue is so confused I can't tell if it's someone who ridicules the girls (by showcasing their obvious ignorance of evolution) or someone who praises them (by showcasing about their disbelief in evolution).  Removing the reference altogether would, I think, be best for the article and that is what I'm going to do.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.145.53.186 (talk) 05:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolution 

message: Is it possible that we could move the evolution interview to a different spot, like to a trivia section of something like that?
-Rosepuff12 22:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rosepuff, I know you and I have both expressed in the past that perhaps that item should be removed altogether. I know you're not proposing that now, and I doubt we would reach a consenus if it were proposed, but personally I don't think it belongs on here at all. It is quite trivial so maybe a Trivia section would be the best place for it (even though, in general, I find articles with trivia sections annoying, I'll make an exception here). I'd support a move. --SuperNova |T|C| 01:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support a Trivia Section. Jay 01:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a member of a music only Wikia, and I thought I'd contribute the Trivia Section that I put on Alyson Michalka's page. I'll let the people who know the sources decide what to use, but I'll go ahead and re-word it from just Aly to both Aly & AJ:
===Trivia===
*Are both Christians
*Do not believe in the theory of evolution
*Aly is currently 5'6
*Aj is currently 5'4
*Alyson's middle name is Renae
*AJ's middle name is Joy
*Aly first began acting/singing at age 5, in mostly church productions
*Aly began playing guitar at age 13
*Aly owns over 20 guitars
*Aly named one of her guitars Luna
*They are both each other's best friends
*Are two years arapt, concerning age
*Aly looks to her sister as an example
*Aly has played the role of Keely Teslow on the Disney Channel Original Series Phil Of The Future from 2004 to 2006
*In 2006 they will take the lead roles in the Disney Channel Original Series Haversham Hall
*Alyson appeared in the lead role of Allyson Miller in the Disney Channel Original Movie Now You See It...
*Both appeared in the lead roles in the Disney Channel Original Movie Cow Belles
There you go, I'll let you guys hash out what to use. Hope it helps. Jay 02:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: None of this is appropriate unless it is cited properly with reliable sources.  Some of it is already in place, mind you.  Other parts (names, for example) is not appropriate for the trivia section, it should already have been mentioned elsewhere.  --Yamla 14:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Interview 

message: *Are both Christians
*Do not believe in the theory of evolution
*Aly is currently 5'6
*Aj is currently 5'4
*Alyson's middle name is Renae
*AJ's middle name is Joy
*Aly first began acting/singing at age 5, in mostly church productions
*Aly began playing guitar at age 13
*Aly owns over 20 guitars
*Aly named one of her guitars Luna
*They are both each other's best friends
*Are two years arapt, concerning age
*Aly looks to her sister as an example
*Aly has played the role of Keely Teslow on the Disney Channel Original Series Phil Of The Future from 2004 to 2006
*In 2006 they will take the lead roles in the Disney Channel Original Series Haversham Hall
*Alyson appeared in the lead role of Allyson Miller in the Disney Channel Original Movie Now You See It...
*Both appeared in the lead roles in the Disney Channel Original Movie Cow Belles
There you go, I'll let you guys hash out what to use. Hope it helps. Jay 02:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of this is appropriate unless it is cited properly with reliable sources.  Some of it is already in place, mind you.  Other parts (names, for example) is not appropriate for the trivia section, it should already have been mentioned elsewhere.  --Yamla 14:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: It really needs major clean up. It has a large amount of unecassary information and seems to be POV. --MorwenofLossarnarch 13:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singing career section 

message: Aly & AJ have released one album; I hardly think a separate discography article is necessary. Also, this article is rather short as it is. Extraordinary Machine 00:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They've also released several singles, a DVD, and a Deluxe Edition of the debut album, if not necessary now, the article soon will be. I vote to keep. Jay 00:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a democracy; reasons for edits count more than numbers of "votes". Wikipedia:Merging_and_moving_pages#Merging recommends merging two articles if they are on related subjects that have a large overlap, if at least one of them is very short and cannot or should not be expanded much, and if a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it. I think it's better to have the info in one place, because readers will find it more useful. There's also considerable overlap between this page, Aly & AJ discography and Into the Rush. Wikipedia isn't paper, but it's still just as unnecessary in most cases to have the same info in more than one place. Extraordinary Machine 13:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with EM. The merge is currently more useful for the readers; we are not writing the encyclopedia for ourselves. The discography article is very short when you remove the excess table info thus can be merged into this page. — getcrunk what?! 00:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay then, I've merged it in. Extraordinary Machine 14:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say, after their third or fourth album, we'll remake the discography page. Tcatron565 19:46, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't the "deluxe edition" just a rerelease?  It's not an actually new album, I don't think.... Adamsmo 07:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging from [[Aly & AJ discography]] 

message: :My two cents: I am confident that wikipedias guidelines regarding WP:OR and WP:POV enforce my stance that addition of any context, justification, and explaination to aly and aj's comments are in violation of WP:NPOV policy.  I believe that Aly and Aj's quotes on evolution should not be for any editor to explain.
:This article should be about the musician duo and not a debate for merits of evolution and creationism or Aly and AJ's understanding of either theory.  With that in mind, I plan to remove any comments that try to in anyway to explain aly and aj's comments and will monitor the page for vandalism that goes either way.--Kenn Caesius 04:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. That belongs on pages about them, not their group, band, or whatever. IronCrow 22:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EVOLUTION TRIVIA 

message: King Bee, why have you put citation needed on so many pieces of trivia? All you simply have to do is search on Google and you will find all of that information credible and true. Switchfo0t813
:Then find them and cite them properly on wikipedia. See WP:CITE. --King Bee 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I have temporarily protected this article and blocked two users because of the edit warring going on here. I think all involved know that this is inappropriate. Any arguments need to become simple, cooperative discussions with a goal of consensus before the page is unprotected again. I will be happy to mediate. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 04:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly. Shall we start a new discussion here? I'd be happy to enumerate my points. --King Bee 14:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For everyone's information, I was one of the two blocked Users; 3-hour block for violating the three-revert-rule. I see nothing wrong with saying this. Anyway, I agree with Mr. ChrisGriswold in blocking this page from being edited; the edit war had to stop. My only concern is that Switchfo0t813 will just start putting Christian Pop back in once the page has been unprotected, and we'll be back to where we were. Acalamari 18:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, well, if it's the consensus that they are pop only and not Christian pop, and he keeps reverting, he will have to face the consequences for that. Is Switchfoot the only editor here who believes them to be a Christian group? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 22:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only Users to agree with Switchfoot813 have been IP addresses only. However, one of those IP's could be him editing anonymously; but I'm not going to accuse him of that. Acalamari 23:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Essentially, yes. The general consensus is that they are not Christian pop. --King Bee 02:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any other Users commenting on this? At the moment it seems to be Mr. ChrisGriswold, King Bee, and me. Are we going to talk further about the page once Switchfo0t813's block has ended? Acalamari 03:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so that's consensus. At the very least, Switchfoot needs to provide factual evidence that they perform Christian pop. Not original research. And then, his job is not to argue but to convinve the other users that this is the case. I am removing the protection because I don't think it serves a purpose at this point. I will be watching, but if anyone needs anything, let me know. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 09:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article temporarily protected 

message: Is the myspace link really necessary for the page? I think it might not be that appropriate for the page. 
-Rosepuff12 00:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link  

message: Um, they haven't graduated high school yet. Well, one of them hasn't at least. NEXT! Graduating top during middle or elementary schools isn't noteworthy.
They both did. Eliana Eliana
Uh, yes they have. 72.146.66.181 23:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Valedictorians

message: I think it would be stupid because this is a BAND and the other pages are about the INDIVIDUAL so it would make NO sense to merge them. just as an example that would be like merging gene simmons with kiss
o and the capital is to add emphasis i hope you like it =D\
76.20.133.102 23:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I watched thier recent MTV birthday special, and when they were opening thier presents, clearly displayed front and center was the Monkees' 1967 album HEADQUARTERS...looked like a vynal copy, at that. Anyone know if the girls are big Monkees fans?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.241.158.225 (talk) 19:46, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better suited here. WAVY 10 Fan 14:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aly & AJ: Monkees fans? 

message: I know that they have a DS game comeing out. Should we add it?Ultimaterasengan (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DS game

message: Messy Thinking (talk) If Aly and A.J. (individually) become part of the Aly & AJ page, are their separate profiles going to be protected?  And will a click of their names be made to lead to said profiles?  —Preceding comment was added at 01:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before you merge… 

message: I removed alternative rock since i believe that they are not alt rock. They are simply teen pop. Alt rock is like Smashing Pumpkins, Foo fighters, Green Day, Fugazi etc. DavidJJJ (talk) 17:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover they do not have Hardcore, Punk or Post Punk influences, therfore making them NOT Alt Rock. DavidJJJ (talk) 11:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: I think that we need apicture for the article. DavidJJJ (talk) 17:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Aly and AJ Rock and Roll Mysteries isnt in the article.
Unless I missed it,that should be in there --LilMissNicole+++.;+= (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
* "blender interview" :
** Tweenage Riot. Blender magazine, June 2006.
** 
* Aly & AJ was nominated in September 2006 for Favorite Contemporary Inspirational Artist of the Year at the 2006 American Music Awards, but lost the award to Kirk Franklin during the November 21 presentation.<ref name="AMA award">2006 American Music Awards. Accessed December 11, 2006.
DumZiBoT (talk) 02:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: Hi i was reading throuh this since im a Aly & AJ (call me obssesesed if you want i dont care) any way i have all almbunms movies up todate on and i noticed on the part were it says what films their in. I noticed in Cow Belles it says AJ Plays Taylor Callum. It's actualy Aly who plays Taylor (trust me i've watched the film long enough to know who playd who) any way i don't liked editing these pages my self so i thout it's best that you knew about this error 
Thanks
Amsith501. (Call me Sandy) 29/9/08 3:30PM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asmith501 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong names in the film sections 

message: Under personal life - which I assume to mean items not related to their performing career - all you can come up with is a mention of a stalker?TheDarkOneLives (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the sentence as it really isn't that notable and doesn't seem to belong in an encyclopedia article about the duo.-Andrew c [talk] 23:35, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: Aly and AJ are christian.they are more rock then pop.I love thier song rush.it is awesome!rock on ALY AND AJ  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.86.226.11 (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aly and AJ 

message: I have just reverted everything to do with their rename to "78violet", as there was no "confirmation" that I could find, and it was all sourced with Twitter. I also re-moved the page back to "Aly & AJ" for now as well. Can we at least wait until sources more reliable than Twitter are released to see if they really have changed their name or not? Thanks. Acalamari 20:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page seems to provide confirmation.  I will go ahead and delete the redirect at 78violet to make way for the move.  --TeaDrinker (talk) 20:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  78violet 

message: There have been various attempts at page moves between these two spellings.  Can editors please stop moving the page without discussion and provide some reliable sources about the spelling/spacing of the name.  Once we have consensus on the right spelling we can move the page (or not). --Slp1 (talk) 18:56, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page should be enough, it's Aly & AJ themselves saying how it should be spelt, look at the profile it's from, it says "Verified Account" and those can't be faked as it says here Irish Sylar (talk) 19:00, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Seems good enough. A few reliableish sources say something similar.e.g.  I will move it.--Slp1 (talk) 19:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Finally, it's over for now.Irish Sylar (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It has been 11 days since the supposed change, yet nothing other than one tweet. Generally, a change in names isn't just spur of the moment, and goes with changes to websites, etc. Their website still says Aly&AJ, and there has been no announcements on that site as of yet. I argue that the lack of an official annoucnement from their website, the name of their website not changing, and the fact that recent tweets have referred to themselves in both ways, is enough to move it back to Aly & AJ. Yes, the twitter account is verified, but it would not be the first time a band played a joke on their fans through a social networking site. --Fbifriday (talk) 20:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 78violet vs 78 violet

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://www.78-violet.com/music/newalbum.php
** In Heart (band) on 2011-03-22 23:58:28, 404 Not Found
** In 78violet on 2011-06-19 21:07:58, 404 Not Found
--JeffGBot (talk) 21:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: This section is to discuss what the title implies. Ging287 (talk) 01:19, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addendum for "Daniel" and the "interiew' 

message: I noticed there is no reference to The Sims 2: Pets expansion.  They did Chemicals React for the Pets expansion, including a music video, and  such huge Sims fans already that they were able to write the song in "Simlish" without any help from Maxis.
Here is an article about it... 
http://www.mtv.com/news/1538556/aly-aj-arent-speaking-gibberish-its-just-simlish/ AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 11:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sims 2: Pets? 

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