Talk:Finally (CeCe Peniston song)

message: MiewEN, the American cover art consisting of just a sunflower (not the artist herself) should be used. Why should the artist's face on the cover be more significant than the other? You already got CeCe Peniston's image. --George Ho (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: George Ho, artist's face is definitely more sigificant to themseves than sunflowers in this particular case. The subject of the article speaks enough for itself too, but I am glad to hear you like flowers in the first place. There is no need to change the cover as the image clearly states in her native language Peniston's name and work as said earlier. And as for your mention of Carey in the summary field; she herself has international cover in some of her singles discography, and so does e.g. Madonna whose signature song as well the follow up release both have non-American covers instead. Next time though, please keep patient when posting a question as no-one is really obliged to answer you the very same day. MiewEN (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Neither Holiday nor Lucky Star had a US cover art. Someday I'll discuss those with others. Love Takes Time has a US cover. I was going to upload it, but digital copies of the cover are poor quality. The CD promo cover is good, but I don't want to use promo covers. In the meantime, we should represent her nationality. The Americans at the time of release obtained only the flower image, not the headshot one. Using the headshot image doesn't represent the American-made song or her nationally. I changed the image of Material Girl from European to the US one but only because I can't add more than one unless article discusses images significantly. --George Ho (talk) 05:05, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

text:  To get a physical copy of the French headshot edition, you should have gone to a store that had sold French music imports. --George Ho (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really agree with that sort of "national" arguments which seem more rasistic to me at the end of the day. I am neither French, nor American. The French art work simply presents the artist herself as first ever, not other objects such as sunflowers or work by other artists (i.e. photograph of no particular significance), which are not even a subject of the work within its lyrical content. For that reason, the French edition is most notable of all in fact, so the cover was chosen very carefully. This is a musical work, not a fiction book. Writers are not displayed on the covers for obvious reasons, musical artists are as they have other instrumental tools to promote their works also visually (music videos, tours, etc). Besides, the original song remains the same, no matter international releases, so this is not an exclusively French re-release with vocals or lyrics re-sung in French. As for the rest, neither using the other objects do not represent the American-made song or her nationally, that's what the work's language should serve for. In this case, it is in English with a local sticker, so any discussions about possible misinterpretation of the discussed subject, artist or work, are irrelevant as obvious on the displayed cover too. The sticker itself also stresses "U.S.A." in the first place. And as far as I know, singles are sold only at the time of their official releases, so you will not get a physical copy of either edition in the store these days. MiewEN (talk) 06:28, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops... When I discussed physical copy, I should have said "at the time of release". Anyhow, we haven't reached a compromise, so I'm taking this to the WP:DRN. --George Ho (talk) 07:00, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

text:  Also, because we can't use more than one image of an original singer's version, the article becomes torn between the French (headshot) and the American (sunflower). --George Ho (talk) 07:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

text: PS: GHo, I appreciate your note left also on my talk page but I don't know what compromise one may be looking here for while arguing, more or less, with nationalism, because that's what it is either in a good or other way around. For my part, I was trying to clarify the key reasons in favor of the most notable cover, not more national one or so as there is no such term, unless we talk about official anthems. All releases of any commercial single are equal to each other, they only deal with different global restrictions due to various taxes rates which are a subject of individual local governments, not one nation[al]. So the only thing that could make also two single's covers of a song much different on that level, would occur if the song was to be sold either only in one concrete country, which is not the case, or duty-free at least elsewhere, also out of the question. In other words - if you came, let's say, with a proposal to include the British cover instead, claiming that the song reached its highest position on the official music charts in the UK in fact (while charting in there also multiple times!), I could respect that as an argument notable worldwide. But sticking strictly on a rule that would so to speak "flag" each and every song in an artist's discography depending on their nationality, there is not much I can talk about or offer any compromise, because we are all entitled to one for free, regardless of a country of origins. And that's not notable to me at all; simple as that. With all due respect, you are not really looking for a neutral or third opinion, you are chasing one and only as evident also on the chat with Erpert below. So you'd might rather consider about putting American flag to all infoboxes for you don't really care about significant cover arts. Well, good hunt with that, I'm busy otherwise. MiewEN (talk) 11:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

text:  That doesn't work for normally singles (and sometimes albums), Erpert. Administrators like Masem and others like IndianBio disapprove using more than one cover art, although one-image rule is not an official rule. Haven't you heard of WP:NFCC? Well, this proves how fragile "third opinion" is. --George Ho (talk) 10:05, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? It works just fine for "Keep Fishin'" (for example). Anyway, I create quite a number of album and single articles, and although I personally don't use more than one cover, I wouldn't be against someone adding an additional cover either. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the UK cover art in favor of (presumably) the American one. --George Ho (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: Response to third opinion request:
Both album covers should be allowed in the infobox: the US cover at the top, and the international cover further down via the  field. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 04:15, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  That doesn't work for normally singles (and sometimes albums), Erpert. Administrators like Masem and others like IndianBio disapprove using more than one cover art, although one-image rule is not an official rule. Haven't you heard of WP:NFCC? Well, this proves how fragile "third opinion" is. --George Ho (talk) 10:05, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? It works just fine for "Keep Fishin'" (for example). Anyway, I create quite a number of album and single articles, and although I personally don't use more than one cover, I wouldn't be against someone adding an additional cover either. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 22:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I removed the UK cover art in favor of (presumably) the American one. --George Ho (talk) 23:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
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message: I started an FFD discussion on :File:Peniston Finally CDS.jpg. As a result, the image got deleted. You can do deletion review if you want to resurrect the image. --George Ho (talk) 08:05, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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