Talk:Newmarket, Ontario

message: This page says Belinda Stronach graduated high school in 1979, but her article says she was born in 1966 - surely one of the dates is wrong? Adam Bishop 01:18, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The people who run the city of Newmarket, and the people who count the country's citizens, both believe otherwise. Show your proof, or accept the proof that has been provided. (Living in Newmarket is not proof.) Mindmatrix 03:59, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, how did you arrive at that figure, anyway? Did you go door-to-door and count 'em all? By the way, who are "we", you and your fellow troublemakers? Go and find another game to play! Kelisi 21:59, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

text: The official Town of Newmarket website states a population in 2001 of 77,518 (http://www.newmarket.ca/userfiles/HTML/nts_1_26_1.html); and a population of 79,000 in 2006 (http://www.newmarket.ca/userfiles/HTML/nts_1_481_1.html). Stephanielauren79 (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The figure of 79,000 (from the second link) is a population projection for 2006 from 2002, and shouldn't be considered accurate. According to the Canada 2006 Census, the population at May 2006 was 74,295 (already in the article), although this probably under-reports the true value by about 1-3%. The York Region planning department's figure of 77,518 is already included in the article, but is only an estimate. I think the current Population section in the article, which includes these two figures and the 2011 estimate is sufficient. Mindmatrix 19:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I can find no source that says that Newmarket has "almost always gone 'Conservative Blue', and is considered to be one of Conservative Party strongholds". In fact, Karen Kraft Sloan, a Liberal, was elected by a wide margin in the previous two elections. Elections Canada
Without a verifiable source, I have removed the reference. DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:29, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics 

message: User:65.49.152.223: You have made some good additions to this page and I hope you will continue to improve it. Be very careful to maintain a Neutral Point of View, however. Your comments must be able to be backed up by a verifiable and NPOV source. Saying this politican is great or that one is dishonest is not permitted on Wikipedia. Cheers, DoubleBlue (Talk) 05:15, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you responding to a three-year old statement, with comments unrelated to it, and which are also quite wrong? Mindmatrix 01:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Yeah, somewhat random comment revealing your lack of recall. DoubleBlue (Talk) 04:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:NPOV]] 

message: It would be nice to include an elevation in the Geography section. Does anyone know how far above sea level Newmarket is? Kelisi 18:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elevation? 

message: Curtis Joseph, goalie extraordinaire, shouldn't be listed under 'Famous Residents' of Newmarket if he never lived in the town itself.  Going to school in the town (Huron Heights, I presume) doesn't make you a resident.  Thoughts???  PKT 18:00, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough for me  PKT 15:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CuJo 

message: Isn't this pond fed through underground springs? Jaydawg 20:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogart Pond 

message: Where are the actual borders of "the patch" in Newmarket?
"The Patch" is the neighborhood bounded by George St (west), Cherrywood Dr (north), Hillview Dr (east) and Davis Dr (south). Stephanielauren79 (talk) 16:46, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Patch 

message: I feel it should be noted that Newmarket only has one golf course within its town limits; as opposed to two, as stated in the Sports and recreation section of the article.  While St. Andrews Valley Golf Course does stretch into Newmarket, it is based in Aurora; on St. John's Sideroad. Stephanielauren79 (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: St.Andrews Valley is within Newmarket's boundaries, but its street address is, as you say, in Aurora.  PKT (talk) 15:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  More accurately, some of St. Andrews Valley is within Newmarket's boundaries. Stephanielauren79 (talk) 21:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found Aurora's town map which confirms your point.  It looks like about six holes or thereabouts are within Aurora's boundaries.  PKT (talk) 14:40, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports and recreation 

message: Would it be useful to note that one of the 15 elementary public schools, Mazo de la Roche, is also a French language elementary school? Stephanielauren79 (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's any harm in stating that there's a French-language immersion school in the town, or the fact that it's named in honour of the author Mazo de la Roche. Mindmatrix 20:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: Would it be beneficial to post some information on the water quality issues in Newmarket?99.250.81.132 (talk) 01:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but only if there are references that can be cited to support the information.  PKT(alk) 13:02, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water Quality in Newmarket 

message: One or two IP editors have been repeatedly changing the lead sentence of this article where it indicates that Newmarket is "approximately 50km north of the City of Toronto", changing the 50km to 25 km.  It is about 50 kms from downtown-to-downtown, whereas it is about 25 kms from the southern border of Newmarket to Steeles Ave, the northern border of Toronto.
Am I correct in stating that there is a consensus to use the 50km figure in this context?  Please indicate your opinion below.  Thanks, PKT(alk) 23:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ageed, distances are almost always measured from City Hall to City Hall. UrbanNerd (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Amy Krouse, spokeswoman for Rand McNally, says "mileage between cities is usually calculated from one city hall to another." 17:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Absolutely not.  Border to border makes most sense.  Picking an arbitrary location like city hall gives a false impression of the real distances.  As noted above, it is about 25 kms from the southern border of Newmarket to Steeles Ave, the northern border of Toronto.  This is an inarguable geographical fact, unlike the use of an arbitrary location like city hall, which in some places could be in the centre of downtown or out in the periphery somewhere.  Much cleaner to go with border to border; this approach should be applied across the board.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.188.130 (talk) 15:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would argue that "City Hall to City Hall" is far from arbitrary.  PKT(alk) 16:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting discussion. In my observations, most community articles present distances from centre-to-centre or downtown-to-downtown rather than city limits-to-city-limits. City hall-to-city hall is further precise compared to the centre or downtown methods, but is more inline with the centre or downtown methods rather than the limits method.Personally, I utilize Google Earth. In this case, I select "Get Directions" and punch in Toronto ON to Newmarket ON. I get 54.7 km via the DVP and the 404 from what Google uses as the centre points of the two cities. Now it is a question of do I use this distance as the shortest route by road in terms of travel time, or do I measure the "as the crow flies" distance between the two centre points of 45.6 km instead. I utilize "as the crow flies" as these statements are usually about "distance" in general rather than "travel distance by any particular travel mode". At the end of the day though, which of all methods is free of WP:OR (or which is the least OR) should prevail. My 2¢ though on methodology.In this case, I would use 50 (or 46) km rather than 25. Hwy43 (talk) 17:40, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Pretty sure distances given on highway signs are to the city hall of the place in question. --papageno (talk) 19:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all places have city halls though, so not sure how they would assign distances to communities without them. The legend in AB is that highway signs are distances to post offices of the places in question, but haven't found anything to verify this (and in this case some of these places also don't have post offices). Hwy43 (talk) 19:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: City Halls, Post Offices, and major points of interest in city centres have all been used. To my knowledge city boundaries are never used. If they were, Los Angeles would be 0 miles from Santa Monica, and Toronto would be 0 km's from Mississauga. The article reads correctly at approx. 50km. UrbanNerd (talk) 02:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Communities without post offices or town halls are invariably small enough that the distance between the community's centre and its border would be less than a rounding error on a highway sign. Resolute 14:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

text: We should use 3 distances. Standard marker location to standard marker location, geographic centrum to geographic centrum, and closest border to closest border. The distance between the US and Canada is 0km, not the distance between Ottawa and DC. We'll just describe what the distance between two places mean. Several cities have moved their city halls, so having the distance between two cities change whenever a city hall is built is bad, since the two cities didn't actually move, and if they didn't geographically change either (such as merger or division) the distance shouldn't change. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not going to change an international standard that have been used across the board for eons just to appease you. Adding 3 distances is just ridiculous. UrbanNerd (talk) 12:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion at VP has already had people say they want distances to be center-to-center. That isn't the same as city hall to city hall. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 05:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's usually the same, or very close to the same. That is why it's used. Are we going to argue over a couple 2-3 km ? UrbanNerd (talk) 12:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I knew of a city where the city hall was located near the outskirts of the city, and separated from the city center by over 10km. So, the distances can be quite different. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 22:36, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is unusual, but in that case another major landmark would probably be used. What is this mysterious city you "knew of" ? UrbanNerd (talk) 02:31, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was Longueuil, until the portion of the city with the city hall separated into a separate city. Even in the separated city of Brossard, the city hall is not located near the city center, but off in the new subdivisions. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

text:  Good suggestion, Canoe: see Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 106#Distances between localities.  PKT(alk) 18:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Arguing 25km instead of 50km presents several problems.  The most significant of which is the probability of original research.  Poking around Google, it seems that sources that refer to the distance from city to city are in the 50km range, likely based on UrbanNerd's assertion of city hall/centre to city hall/centre.  The only differing distances I noted made specific mention of a different starting point (e.g.: Pearson Airport to Newmarket).  Consequently, per sources, 50km is going to win.   Second, community borders are always changing.  City limit to city limit may be 25km now, but it was probably 30km 10 years ago, and will probably be 20km ten years from now. Using frequently changing borders is only an invitation to add errors and inaccuracies to articles.   Third is uneven application.  The centre to centre distance between Toronto and Ottawa is listed at about 450km. We all know that is centre to centre, and nobody is going to argue it should be recalculated instead into border to border (doubly so since we get into the problem of deciding if that is city to city border or MSA to MSA border).  The reason this dispute exists is the relatively short distance.  And given that short distance, I ask: do we even want/need to note the specific distance in the lead?  Why not just say Newmarket is a city within the GTA, located north of Toronto?  The fact that it is part of the GTA implies the two cities are geographically very close, which should be sufficient in this case. Resolute 14:31, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regarding above "Why not just say Newmarket is a city within the GTA, located north of Toronto".  I could buy in to that.  It should be changed for other York Region municipalities as well though (especially Richmond Hill and Aurora).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.188.130 (talk) 17:17, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a terrible idea and completely unnecessary. UrbanNerd (talk) 21:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

text:  I could live with "about halfway between Toronto and Barrie", although a curious reader might be left wondering how far that is.  PKT(alk) 12:29, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ridiculous and unnecessary. Are we going to start changing every city ? The city of Toronto is not a unit of measurement. What's next, Regina is half way between Winnipeg and Edmonton ? UrbanNerd (talk) 02:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

text:  The Town of Newmarket and the City of Toronto are approximately 25km apart; this is a fact and no amount of arguing will change that.  Please do not change it back to 50km as this is inaccurate and gives a false representation of the true distance.  The purpose of stating a distance here is to give a general idea, not specific place-to-place data.  It’s best to keep things general and not delve into specific places within a city, such as a City Hall, which can be located ANYWHERE in a municipality.  I do not believe a consensus was reached on this so I have changed it back to 25km.  As a compromise, why don’t we say “Newmarket is a city within the GTA, located north of Toronto". Note: If this approach is taken, it should also be applied to Aurora  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.188.130 (talk) 14:39, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: To be clear, the consensus from above is to use 50 rather than 25 if a distance was to be used. Only one editor is in favour of 25 over 50, while numerous are in favour of 50 over 25. Hwy43 (talk) 18:46, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance to Toronto 

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message: Today, I removed an 'advert' template from the top of the article, since I don't think it's necessary anymore.  If somebody believes it should be re-added, please identify what in the article you think needs editing in order to improve its tone.  Thanks, PKT(alk) 19:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
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