Talk:Drug Abuse Resistance Education

message: Trying to wrap my head around why the "Evaluators sometimes wish for a Fairy Godmother... achieve similar aims" blurb is attributed both to the 1992 Indiana study and the 2008 Harvard study, the later a verbatim copy of the former. Busy studying now, but I'll try to dig into it this weekend.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcloiacon (talk • contribs) 02:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Attribution of Quote 

message: Is there any more specific information on the actual content they teach regarding the hazards of drugs? From what I understand, that was the main criticism from many in the healthcare community, that they were intentionally giving inaccurate information or exaggerating the health risk, and when students discovered this later, they would be less trusting of official health warnings over drugs. When DARE came to my school they told us smoking marijuana would cause men to grow breasts, go bald, and it cause women to grow facial hair, among other completely baseless claims. Can someone get some information regarding the accuracy of their claims as to the health risks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.238.87.192 (talk) 12:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What they teach? 

message: My recent independent research shows that many of the statements and claims about drugs made by the DARE program have been proven to be myths or exaggerations. Unfortunately most of this research is based on individual DARE classes rather than an overview of ALL classes. If would be very nice if anyone could elaborate of this fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.121.84.218 (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information of DARE inaccurate? 

message: Ah, back in the days. . . I remember going through D.A.R.E. several times during elementary school. We kids thought it was the funniest name for a class: all you have to do is expand the acronym as "Drug Abuse [and] Resistance [to] Education"! Many years later, my college buddies and I shared memories of our D.A.R.E. experiences. One young woman, studying to be a mathematician, said that the program had been very counterproductive for her. She had not thought at all about drugs before experiencing D.A.R.E., but she left rubbing her chin and thinking, "LSD, you say?" Anville 09:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fond memories 

message: There were only three things I (and, I think, everyone in my class) took away from the D.A.R.E. Program:
:1. D.A.R.E. told us not to do it. In high school, they told us to stop doing it...
:2. Second of all, the officers gave us a tour of their entire (confiscated) stash, the street names for all the shit, and where they (and we) could get all of 'em...
:3. They tried to brainwash us with all the cancerous lungs and death statistics (which were collectively depressing enough to drive a man to drink; which it did...); and we fooled around with the drunkgoggles was fun...
Oops, I lied; there was one more thing:
:4. They also gave us each an entire order supply's worth of merchandise--D.A.R.E. tshirts, coffee mugs, tote bags, full stationary sets, stickers, and gift certificates...
Basically, the program's totally defunct and a joke beyond belief. Like I said at the beginning, they're turning more kids on to the stuff than off... —Preceding unsigned comment added by WAS (talk • contribs) 
*Yeah. DARE is very stupid. I'm in school now and all I am actually learning about drugs is how they are made, where we can find them and how to use them. Drug abuse resistance education. Sheesh.Irish rover 01:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  D.A.R.E. Turned Me On 

message: I highly question the neutrality of this section. For example: "Many have speculated that police strongly support the program not because it is effective, but rather that police enjoy the interruption of the monotony of other police work." This is evidently a case of original research (see WP:NOR). Where have parents said that there are skits in which kids pretend to be high? Try to find citations for these things. And also, let's make this talk page about improving the article, and not relating about how DARE got you into buying acid. Bibliomaniac15 18:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll work on trying to deal with this problem.In the meantime, why don't you add some favorable material to the page.ThanxJames Halliday 19:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: The article says that the DARE Program was founded by LAPD Chief Gates in 1994. Gates was no longer Chief in 1994. The DARE website mentions 1984 as the founding of DARE in Los Angeles.
Kingpervis 05:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date is Wrong 

message: It actually works. I went through it in 5th grade, and I've stayed well awayfrom the HARMFUL drugs. Even if you've never thought about drugs before, it WARNS you about the negative effects. I actually am now warned about using harmful substances. Besides, it warns 5th graders about things that may kill them.  Dragonlady :)
Speak for yourself. I went through DARE in 5th grade and I love illegal drugs. SockMonkeh 16:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedic article, your personal experience does not matter in this situation Unrefined Gasoline (talk) 16:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions 

message: The beginning of this article states that DARE is for students only in fifth grade, there are references to high school curriculums later on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.174.118.196 (talk) 16:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fifth Grade? 

message: Is the claim that the shirt's a "pop culture icon" something requiring a citation? Is that even a verifiable statement in the first place?
Much of this article needs sources, such as the new "Positive effects" material. Maxisdetermined 04:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  T-shirt, other unsourced material 

message: Still finding that more of the sources in the criticism section are opinion essays with no corroborating references. After reviewing the references, I deleted the section for Police officers in the classroom. It may be a valid concern, if properly referenced, to go in a controversy or concern section not criticism. Group29 16:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that if classroom volunteers are permitted by the school district, they may not discriminate against a particular person on the basis of occupation. The school district would have to prohibit the program. '"X" do not belong in the "Y"' also becomes an inflammatory statement. Group29 17:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Police officers in the classroom

message: There are a number of criticisms, citing the libel suit dismissal between Rolling Stone and D.A.R.E.
This is the article abstract:
:"Federal Judge Virginia A Phillips says she intends to dismiss lawsuit against Rolling Stone magazine over article it published in March 1998 about antidrug program DARE, for Drug Abuse Resistance Education, that contained fabrications by its author, Stephen Glass; Phillips says there is no evidence that Rolling Stone knew of Glass's fabrications before article was published and that DARE will not be able to prove Rolling Stone acted with malice or reckless disregard for the truth."
A complete copy of the article is needed to support the statement with the cited text. Also a copy of the case summary would be helpful. Many opinion articles reference this particlar article, but no specific citations are included. There are notable criticisms, but the refs do not support the statements.
Also the RTI research was criticized by National Institute of Justice, the research office for the U.S. Department of Justice, not the D.A.R.E. program according to the Reason Magazine ref. Group29 18:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: D.A.R.E. vs Rolling Stone

message: I put a merger proposal template on the D.A.R.E. T-shirt article page on the basis of overlap and context. See Help:Merging and moving pages. The T-shirt article is only linked from this article, and is covered. Group29 18:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The "Positive effects of D.A.R.E." section needs expansion. Thanks.David Justin 04:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Positive effects of D.A.R.E. section

message: References are needed for "The D.A.R.E. T-Shirt" and "D.A.R.E. police cars" sections. Thanks for any help you can provide.David Justin 18:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References needed

message: A tag calling for additional references or sources for verification was posted on 21 May, at which time there was an average of one reference per 131 words in the article. Today (6 October) there is an average of one reference per 54 words, which is 2.4 times the earlier density of references. I have found only two remaining un-referenced statements in this 4,000-plus word article and have marked them with . Should you find a statement needing a reference, please so mark it.
The article now (7 October) appears to be unusually well-referenced. Therefore, I am removing the tag. Thanks. David Justin 17:04, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References needed tag

message: Please help improve this article by identifying any factual inaccuracies - - I have been unable to find any. The only potential inaccuraies might appear to be in the "D.A.R.E. T-shirt" section and I have identified them with . Thanks.David Justin 18:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Prof Hansen, I am sure you are satisfied with your own material. However, there is a pattern of misleading references from you, including a number that are not Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Self-published references to your own site are one example. Until the article has been reviewed and better attributable sources have been quoted, the tag should stand. Also until then, the article does not follow Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, which in your last update you have conceded. Thanks, Group29 19:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual inaccuracies

message: "Drug Abuse Resistance Education, better known as D.A.R.E. or DARE, is an international education program that seeks to promote use of illegal drugs, membership in gangs, and violent behavior."
The article's opening sentence is grossly incorrect, as DARE does not promote any of these. Quite the opposite, in fact. Somebody please fix this. --72.229.8.76 (talk) 17:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promote?? 

message: D.A.R.E. rulers, pennants, Daren coloring books Is this supposed to be "D.A.R.E. coloring books"? 4.242.174.151 (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems logical. Changing. Codes02 (talk) 06:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The original edit was probably referring to "Daren the D.A.R.E. Lion" who appeared in the coloring book(s) as a cartoon lion wearing a DARE t-shirt and no pants. See for instance this website: http://www.wupd.com/kids.htm tolchocker  talk  20:55, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typos? 

message: I attempted to fix the lack of time frame in the Developments section, but it still seems to lack order when compared to the efficacy sec. Codes02 (talk) 06:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend Merger of the Developments section into the Efficacy section 

message: There is practically no mention of how vague and misleading the information DARE gives out is. Just looking at the website you can see it's full of scare tactics(the LSD page espicially). I know that wikipedia can't be perfect this is just too biased. YVNP (talk) 03:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is VERY biased in favor of DARE 

message: This article does a decent job of presenting material though much more research is required to give it a more comprehensive feel. In addition, the layout is somewhat confusing as there is a section about Children as Informants right between different critical studies and the DARE response to criticism. These section should be successive.
IR393 TheSituation (talk) 10:35, 16 Nov 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: How would I go about citing something like this? This bumper sticker and this t-shirt are good examples, but I'm not sure how to (or where to look for information to) reference that kind of thing. Any help is much appreciated. SiriusBsns (talk) 02:31, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parody Citation 

message: I thought this article gave a good general overview of the DARE program, especially its history and some of the studies done on it. There have obviously been many revisions to the article that have improved it a lot. However, I thought there was a lack of information about the current curriculum of DARE. After the article I still don't have a clear picture of what techniques DARE is currently using in its programs. An expansion of some of the small sections like 'effectiveness' and 'curriculem' would, I think, be beneficial as they don't seem to be comprehensive. There are also several statements not backed up by citations.
IR393Sadar (talk) 03:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: I thought the article was well written, properly sourced, and maintained a neutral point of view by assessing both the program's criticisms and responses to said criticism. However, I feel that the organization/layout of the article could stand a little revision. The "Response to Criticism" heading should immediately follow the "Studies" (which largely criticizes the program) instead of the few random sections that were put between these two parts. Juxtaposing the two would make more sense, especially to make the article seem a bit more fair and balanced as it would allow both opinions of the program to be considered side-by-side. Also, the Dare in the UK section seems a little awkward. Perhaps it deserves a separate article of its own??? IR393 will (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article assessment

message: One of the biggest issues I found with this article was the subsection on Effectiveness of the D.A.R.E. program. The few sentences provided seem to suggest that the D.A.R.E program is either ineffective or having the opposite effect. I think this section should be expanded to include statistics from specific schools and districts as well as statistics for the nation as a whole. It would be hard though to differentiate between causal and correlational variable with a subject matter like this because there are many things that effect overall drug use besides prevention programs. Perhaps a statistical overview of many schools in the same district would be the most useful? IR393harrisonkatz (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you know where such statistics exists? Remember, we are relying on what is already available in WP:Reliable sources so perhaps the sources do not exist. Though looking at this article, I would not be surprised if we are missing something. Sadads (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be necessary to compare schools or districts that initially had similar drug use rates and similar values on other independent values of interest--e.g., crime rate in surrounding area, poverty rates, other things--watch them for a number of years after some implement DARE and some do not.--Ck07 (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Assessment

message: In the beginning of the article, a line reads that D.A.R.E. has proven to be highly effective, citing source #2. Source #2 actually states that "[D.A.R.E.] receives substantial support from parents, teachers, police, and government funding agencies, and its popularity persists despite numerous well-designed evaluations and meta-analyses that consistently show little or no deterrent effects on substance use."
Randomkalo (talk) 19:05, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The information in the article cites a source that provides contrary information 

message: On the effectiveness section, the opinion of Surgeon General of the United States is misquoted, saying that the source claims that DARE is place under the category of "Works". The source actually places DARE under the category of "Ineffective Primary Prevention Programs" stating that "... children who participate are as likely to use drugs as those who do not participate...".
Just a comment, in case anyone might want to look into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.130.237.204 (talk) 01:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradictory Information

message: Anyone else remember this? I figured it would have its own article on here but it doesn't. Does anyone know if it was connected to DARE? --RThompson82 (talk) 04:37, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Smoke-Free Class of 2000"

message: "in the last academic year" It is not clear to me to which academic year this refers.Dawright12 (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: It has already been established that this article has a source problem, but I can't seem to find any information regarding a study done in 2008 by Harvard on the effectiveness of the program. Unless someone comes up with something I would move that the section gets removed. 
--Noahk11 (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 Harvard Study 

message: In this reverted edit, DARE has paid Annex Communication to add promotional material about themselves from a for-profit editor creating a COI account to edit material to promote their services (WP:SOAP). Reported to UAA, please watch for socks. -- Aronzak (talk) 13:07, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: COI

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message: The proceeding statement should be reworded for accuracy: D.A.R.E. has failed to fact check some articles on their website, promoting one news piece that was satire, titled "Edible Marijuana Candies Kill 9 in Colorado, 12 at Coachella." Did D.A.R.E. "fail" to fact check "some" articles? There has been no comment, according to the cited article. Therefore we cannot assess accuracy that D.A.R.E. failed at doing this and likewise we cannot determine if they intentionally did this, as there has been no public comment. Furthermore, the word "some" denotes "more than one", however, this statement is only citing a specific example. The statement therefore implies that more actions like this exist but fails to provide any source material suggesting that. Wikipedia is not an opinion and analysis source. However, if a source is provided that suggests something, it would still need to be worded in such a way to tell a reader that the source is suggesting it and not as "factual". Mbman8 (talk) 04:14, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This statement needs to be rewritten 

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message: There should be a bit at the start of this section summarizing it. Benjamin (talk) 02:22, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effectiveness studies 

message: As it is as of today, the page jumps from the summary at the top to a long section about how ineffective the program was. As it is right now, the article seems to only include criticism (if well sourced) but not really an explanation of the thing.
The article seems to be missing at least the following sections:
 what the program actually was (I get that it was bad, but what exactly was it?)
 what it was attempting to achieve and the context (crime rates of the 1980s/1990s, crack epidemic, G. Bush's Bag of Crack Speech, etc?)
 what the history of the program actually was (how much money spent by federal/state/county/local government? in what years?, who ran the program?, how did is spread?, how did it change if at all?)
 what has replaced it (we are now in the Opioid Epidemic?)
As someone who was a child in the 1990s in LA County (Santa Clarita), we had the SMART program (not DARE) in Elementary school, which I think was run by the LA County Sheriff's office.  Not really sure how the two compared - one of the reasons I came to this article was to find out more about what if any differences there were.
98.210.227.180 (talk) 05:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a history of the program that addresses a lot of the questions you helpfully pointed to. (The article previously had a lengthy explanation of the program, removed in 2019 because it was poorly sourced.) Jno.skinner (talk) 07:19, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Seems Incomplete / Seems to only include Criticism