Talk:Ahmed Barzani

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message: Tony, i apologize if have i failed to make myself clear, but it seems that you've misunderstood my position on this.  I never claimed that books are not allowable as references. However, in his case, i asked him to provide an online credible reference (i.e, a first hand account) through which i could cross check and verify that Barzani was a Muslim. This is for one reason. Due to his apparent dishonesty, i do not trust him. If he could so boldly lie that i'm a Christian convert, even when my userpage makes it apparent that i'm not, then what is to stop him from making up offline references to that book with fabricated quotes? 
But now that's no longer a problem. I have figured out a solution to this. Even if he provides a reference with fabricated quotes, i can still find out if  the quotes he provided are real or not. All i have to do is copy-paste the quotes into google book search. Even if the particular page is unavailable for preview, a part of the quote will still be visible as captions. If it's not there, then it's obviously fabricated. 
So, here's my deal. All he has to do now is to provide me a reference as to where in that book is Barzani's religious beliefs mentioned. Let him just write it down here word for word, along with the page number. That shouldn't be a problem if it is there, as he claims it is. Joyson Noel (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you know, i did a little search of the book, "Mustafa Barzani and the Kurdish Liberation Movement" through google search. Even though it's a limited preview, i still tried my level best searching for any hint of Barzani's faith. The book as the name suggests, is a biography of Ahmed Barzani's brother,  Mustafa and details the role he played in the Kurdish uprisings in Iraq. My search revealed no mention of his religious beliefs. The closest it comes to giving any hint of his religious belief's is in page 33, but even this is vague. During a conversation he says, "I want to please Allah and satisfy his conscience". Even Arab Christians and Jews use the term "Allah" for god. You could argue that he is a Kurd, but the term Allah is used even by many predominantly Muslim peoples, including the Kurds. So, all this proves is that he was a theist, but does not make his religious orientation clear. However, i don't dismiss the possibility that it could be mentioned in one of those unviewable pages. Joyson Noel (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have asked the IP to come in and discuss specifically where the references come from in the book. It's a matter of the IP actually noticing the messages now. Tony Fox (arf!) 00:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, how long should i wait for him to respond? Joyson Noel Holla at me 11:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, give the guy some time, for pete's sake - there's nothing earth-shattering about this situation that requires action NOW NOW NOW. It's protected for another day or so; if we haven't heard from the IP by then, then we can revert and work from there. Okay? Tony Fox (arf!) 15:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

text:  lol. Chill, dude! I just wanted to know whether it's OK to revert the edit once the page protection is over, in case he does not respond by then, or should i wait longer for him to respond. That's it. I was not demanding an immediate response. I understand that the situation has been incredibly frustrating for you, and i don't intend to further aggravate you. It's just a question. Relax! Joyson Noel Holla at me 18:21, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had to deal with my coworkers you'd be snappish too. =P Tony Fox (arf!) 21:39, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

text: With no response from the anon editor, I've reverted back to the last cited version. Further reversion and edit-warring will be met with more protection and blocks if necessary. Discuss first, please. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Solution

message: So much for assuming good faith. Semiprotected for a month. IP: if you want to make changes, discuss, don't edit-war. (For the record, it's multiple IPs, so blocks likely won't do a lot of good.) Tony Fox (arf!) 00:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semiprotected 

message: We're not getting anywhere with the back-and-forth. I'm going to start an RFC and hopefully draw some more attention. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. Please do so. Moreover, send him a message letting him know that. Joyson Noel Holla at me 16:02, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This discussion is going nowhere 

message: Two editors have differing sources and interpretation of those sources regarding the religious beliefs of the article subject; the main bone of contention is whether Ahmed Barzani converted to Christianity, as some sources indicate. The references presented by both editors appear to be split as to this case. The questions to be answered by this RFC are: validity of the references provided, and how best to approach the subject's religious beliefs. Copious discussion can be found above on the talk page. Tony Fox (arf!) 16:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who is interested can refer the section entitled "Sources". Joyson Noel Holla at me 16:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tony, you can remove the tag. I accept a compromise on this one. Joyson Noel Holla at me 16:53, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm going to let this run for a while and see what other editors have to say. It's better to have more opinions on a contentious issue - that way, we have a better consensus to work with in the article. I do appreciate your accepting a compromise position, though - hopefully some other folks will drop in and affirm that being the best route to take here. Tony Fox (arf!) 17:52, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

text:  Sure, Tony. I'm OK with that. Joyson Noel Holla at me 17:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: Evaluation of sources to determine the subject's religion 

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