Talk:Duke of Norfolk

message: Is there really any more to be said for all these guys to justify giving every one of them his own article?  The three Tom Howards are all in one article now.  Wouldn't it be better to wait until someone creates an article for one of them and then add the link to that one to this article? -- isis 31 Aug 2002
PLEASE do NOT put links on any of the names in the list unless you create an article for them to link to.  The ones that have links now are the only ones there are articles for, and there are articles for people with the same name, so if you put a link on the name here, it goes to a totally different person. -- isis 2 Sep 2002
Should "Dukes" be capitalized in the article title? -- Zoe
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I'm tidying up Michael Ancram at the moment, and the atricle (as I found it) says that he married a daughter of the 16th Duke of Norfolk. Can anyone confirm that that is correct (this article states that the 16th Duke died without issue). --rbrwr
The 16th Duke' had 4 daughters.
:Anne Elizabeth Fitzalan-Howard   (b. 12 Jun 1938) 
:Mary Katharine Fitzalan-Howard   (b. 14 Aug 1940) 
:Sarah Margaret Fitzalan-Howard   (b. 23 Sep 1941) 
:Theresa Jane Fitzalan-Howard+   (b. 24 Jan 1945)
Lady Jane Fitzalan-Howard is Theresa Jane Fitzalan-Howard and rather confusingly Michael Ancram's real surname is Kerr. Mintguy 13:08, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. I thought that Kerr was right, and already put that in the Ancram article. --rbrwr
Yes, he's "Michael Kerr, called Earl of Ancram", no? john 22:06, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

text: It's annoyed me for a while now, but I don't know any easy way to delete the pages (as merely removing the redirects keeps the blue links). Someone decided a while ago to create them all, and gave up after doing the first few most senior Dukes, so the problem's not widespread, but it is irritating. For what it's worth, I believe Wikipedia policy states that list items redirecting back to the list is a bad thing. Proteus (Talk) 16:22, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I believe so - the family is always referred to as a Catholic family. I think it would be interesting if somebody has the time to do the research to explain what happened to their property when they were under attainder, and how they recuperated it. It is quite extraordinary that through all that the Duke has retained very senior ceremonial posts. Yet they a
re not even mention mentioned on the "attainder" page unless I missed something. PhilomenaO'M (talk) 11:18, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering that too. Today the Dukes of Norfolk are regarded as in some way heading and representing the Catholic community in England. But what was the position prior to Catholic emancipation? I gather they weren't allowed to sit in the House of Lords. Were they nevertheless regarded as premier Duke and premier Earl, and did they always exercise the office of Earl Marshal? It seems odd. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 13:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Are all the Dukes of Norfolk Catholic?

message: Why is the Duke of Norfolk the highest-ranking peer?  The article mentions this without any explanation. 98.209.116.7 (talk) 23:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the oldest non-Royal Duchy in England. → ROUX ₪ 00:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Other articles say that only two Dukedoms in the U.K., (Lancaster and Cornwall) have duchies attached. If that's right then Norfolk is the oldest non-Royal Dukedom, not Duchy.2604:2000:C682:B600:D9C4:4627:3EFD:C5E0 (talk) 00:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest-ranking peer 

message: This article contains the sentence "Following Mary's death and the accession of Elizabeth I, the Duke was imprisoned for scheming to marry Mary." I think that could be better written. The scheming was the scheming to marry Mary Queen of Scots. I think it's strange to refer to two Marys in the same sentence and not differentiate them as Bloody Mary and Mary of Scotland. Also, the sentence as written wouldn't RULE OUT that he had been scheming to marry Bloody Mary, for instance if the scheming including killing her existing husband the King Of Spain or had been conducted before the marriage. It's possible that Elizabeth I could have found something upsetting in the scheming to marry Bloody Mary. I think it'd be best to put it beyond all doubt and specify that the Mary who died is the Bloody one and the Mary whom he schemed to marry (or was accused by Elizabeth I of scheming to marry) is the Scots one.2604:2000:C682:B600:D9C4:4627:3EFD:C5E0 (talk) 00:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing Sentence

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message: I think the sentence in the notes beside the entry for  Thomas de Mowbray, 1st Duke of Norfolk is misleading. It says 'exiled by Henry IV and stripped of the dukedom'  However, he was exiled by Richard II (albeit due to a dispute with the future Henry IV) and Henry IV annulled the creation of the Dukedom after Mowbray had died in exile. Dunarc (talk) 19:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hi,
The sentence "The Duke of Norfolk is, moreover, the _Earl Marshal_ and Hereditary _Marshal_ of England" seems to distinguish between two positions as Marshal. However, the link under "Marshal" leads to a general page on that office, and a wiki search for 'Marshal of England' returns the page for "Earl Marshal". Perhaps the second claim only refers to aspects of the office of "Earl Marshal", e.g. that it is hereditary, and actually has the rank of "marshal", etc.; or there might actually be several different offices. Idk - but this might perhaps be made more clear, somehow? T 88.89.217.90 (talk) 21:47, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earl Marshal and/or Marshal of England? Unclear lede.