Talk:National anthem of Ukraine

message: The majority of national anthems on Wikipedia do not appear to translate their name into an English version, but rather transliterate it. Is this anthem commonly published in translation, or referred by a translated name in published journals? I can only spot the translation given after the actual name of the anthem on other websites. Also, the translations I've spotted are not uniform with regards to what is the proper translation. I mention this not to change the translation, but to point out that with different translations available, I would assume that the most name for this anthem on the web would be its Ukrainian name.--tufkaa 17:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this should be moved... —dima/s-ko/ 22:50, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will move this article to Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy as most national anthems have their native name as the title as stated above by Tufkaa. Just doing so there won't be any conflicts. —dmytro/s-ko/ 18:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like a logical step. Actually, where this English text is coming from? I don't want to fall into copyright paranoia, but back in 2003, when this wikipage was created, and ever since, it seems like the English text literally corresponds to . --KPbIC 01:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will move right now. —dima/s-ko/ 02:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why?

message: I’ve changed "vorozhen’ky" to "vorizhenk’ky" in the new (post-2003) version; I don’t know if it should be changed in the older version as well. My source is the government’s site:
http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control%5Cuk%5Cpublish%5Carticle?art_id=1170478&cat_id=31295
(Nice feature, this automatic signing!) Geke (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small correction on current text 

message: It makes abunch of refrences to people like Taras Fedorovych, and others that most people don't know about.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burntwaffle1 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more links 

message: Below is a proposed section "Variation of English translation". Please express your opinion whether you think it should be included or not.
Since there's no official English translation of the State Anthem of Ukraine, a number of English translations have been done to date.
Ukrainian original
Ще не вмерла України, і слава, і воля,
Ще нам, браття-українці, усміхнеться доля.
Згинуть наші вороженьки, як роса на сонці,
Запануєм і ми, браття, у своїй сторонці.
:Приспів(×2)
:Душу й тіло ми положим за нашу свободу,
:І покажем, що ми, браття, козацького роду!
Станем браття, в бій кривавий, від Сяну до Дону
В ріднім краю панувати не дамо нікому.
Чорне море ще всміхнеться, дід Дніпро зрадіє,
Ще на нашій Україні доленька наспіє.
:Приспів(×2)
А завзяття, праця щира свого ще докаже,
Ще ся волі в Україні піснь гучна розляже.
За Карпати відіб'ється, згомонить степами,
України слава стане поміж народами.
:Приспів(×2)
Trans. by Olena Boltushkinahttps://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv/ukraines-national-anthem-sung-in-english-video-339533.html KyivPost: Ukraine's rousing national anthem sung in English (2014)
Glorious spirit of Ukraine shines and lives forever.
Blessed by fortune brotherhood will stand up together.
Like the dew before the sun enemies will fade,
We will further rule and prosper in our promised land.
:Refrain(×2)
:We will lay our soul and body for the cherished freedom.
:Cossack blood will raise the nation of the joyous people.
For the liberty the folk strives ardently from San to Don,
And will let no alien power in our common home.
Aged Dnipro and Black Sea arm in arm rejoice,
And Ukraine will see daylight and live by Fortune’s choice.
:Refrain(×2)
Passion and hard-working hands prove bright future true.
Song of freedom, loud and clear, guides us all way through.
Over mountains and steppes it flows, over ages told.
Valorous Ukraine stands strong in a thriving world.
:Refrain(×2)
Trans. by Viktor Ponomaryovhttp://www.oocities.org/igorlytvyn1/ukraine-anthem.html GeoCities: Ukrainian Anthem
Ukraine's glory hasn't yet perished neither has its freedom,
Luck will still smile on us all, brother-Ukrainians.
Our enemies shall die, as the dew does in the sunshine,
And we, too, brothers, we'll live happily in our land.
:Refrain(×2)
:We won't spare neither souls nor bodies to attain our freedom
:And we'll prove that we brothers are of Cossack kin.
We'll rise up, brothers, all of us, from the Sain to the Don,
We won't let anyone govern over our motherland.
Black Sea shall smile and grandfather Dnipro shall rejoice yet again,
The time shall come when Ukraine's luck will return again.
:Refrain(×2)
Our persistence, our sincere toil will prove it's rightness,
The time'll come when the loud song of Ukrainian freedom will spread throughout.
It'll reflect upon the Carpathians, will sound through the steppes,
And Ukraine's glory will arise among all the nations.
Trans. by Oleksandr Kulabuhovhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__SIpQFAxV4 Ukrainian Anthem Translated onto English
Ukrainian glory and Ukrainian will
Fortune my Ukrainian brothers smiling to us still
Enemies shall disappear like an early dew
Being lords in our land's what we aspire to
:Refrain(×2)
:We will give our souls and bodies, gaining our freedom
:And we'll show that we are truly of Cossack's origin
From Syan to Don in gory battle we shall engage
And none shall ever rule again in our homeland
Black Sea shall smile again and grandpa Dnipro shall exult
Time is nigh when Ukraine's fortunes shall strike again
:Refrain(×2)
Our ardor and honest toil will soon reciprocate,
And Ukraine's song of liberty shall resound everywhere
Throughout the Carpathians it'll roar, through the steppes it'll whisper
As every nation learns of Ukraine's mighty glory
:Refrain(×2)
--Rkononenko (talk) 16:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: These aren't reliable sources (youtube, oocities, random kyivpost op ed). The KP one especially is not a translation, but an original alternate version meant to sound better in English, by the person who wrote it for their youtube video.--Львівське (говорити) 17:23, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, in many ways non-literate translation is in fact an attempt to convey the meaning/idea of the original and not the exact same words. Especially for something that is intended to be a song, and needs to fit a specific music tune.--Rkononenko (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on whether to include " 

message: Since 2003 Ukrainian anthem is uses the modified lyrics of Chybynsky. The first stanza is changed to "Ще не вмерла України" instead of "Ще не вмерла Україна". It makes no sense to call the article after this first stanza, since you can't even translate it into English (you need the rest of the stanza for that). That is, by using the 1st stanza as the name (instead of the official name State Anthem of Ukraine) we end up with this: "Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy" (, or "Ukraine's ? hasn't died"), where we have to put ? in the sentence. Therefore, the article name should be (and in accordance with the Ukrainian law) State Anthem of Ukraine.--BezosibnyjUA (talk) 22:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: provide a single reference that isn't a primary source legal document and we'll have something to talk about. So far the only source is the parliament bill that says "state anthem of ukraine" (because its a document about the state anthem) and says nothing about that being its official name. As such, you could imagine a government document about The Star-Spangled Banner having reference to "State anthem of the United States" somewhere in the title. Topic title does not mean official name. --Львівське (говорити) 22:58, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

text: The Ukrainian article gives the name as "Держа́вний Гі́мн Украї́ни", so it should be renamed to that. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 02:15, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: Come on, guys. There's got to be a better translation than "Ukraine has still not died", which is an ugly literal translation that either a first-year English major in Kharkiv or Google Translate came up with. How about "Ukraine Has Not Perished" or "Ukraine Lives Still" or something like that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.39.237 (talk) 06:06, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decent translation of title 

message: The title of Ukraine's anthem should be The State Anthem of Ukraine per Ukrainian Cabinet of Minister (and all other official Ukrainian government sources): https://web.archive.org/web/20070613233953/http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/en/publish/article?art_id=236020&cat_id=32672 ; Please request an article to be renamed into "The State Anthem of Ukraine"--Rk578 (talk) 00:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support move to "National anthem of Ukraine" to be more generic. We can identify the anthem as "State Anthem of Ukraine" in the lead sentence. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 11:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Title 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Ukraine Is Not Yet Dead and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 March 10#Ukraine Is Not Yet Dead until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Liz Read! Talk! 02:43, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And there was strong consensus there to keep it. Many other redirects were also noted in that discussion, and others were suggested as good additions. Andrewa (talk) 13:56, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ukraine Is Not Yet Dead" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 09:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: State Anthem of Ukraine →  – For a long time it has been in fact only national (anthem of the nation), now it is both national and state anthem. VSL (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Requested move: State Anthem of Ukraine → . @Amitchell125 @Andrewa @Blindlynx @Champion @DDima @Hvn0413 @Illegitimate_Barrister @Lvivske @ModernDayTrilobite VSL (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Support, for the WP:CRITERIA of naturalness, and precision over the long run.  —Michael Z. 04:37, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 March 2023 

message: I've moved transliterations, pronunciations and the Cyrillic script of the name(s) into footnotes, which cleans up the lead paragraph. I'm not sure about whether the Cyrillic script versions or transliterations should be the first thing visible, so I've gone ahead and moved the Cyrillic versions into the footnote seeing to match the infobox title. I don't speak Ukrainian myself so feel free to move the Cyrillic version back if that's what would fit better. Thanks! Splatterxl – talk 14:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph