Talk:Jacob Kovco

message: I wasn't aware there were Australian soldiers in Baghdad. Aren't they all in al-Muthanna? QazPlm 11:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (Elements of?) 3RAR are in Baghdad, guarding the embassy.  JEREMY 13:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Died in Baghdad? 

message: Does anyone have a cite for Kovco's birthdate (or at least the year of his birth)? It doesn't look good to have a question mark in there.  JEREMY 20:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate? 

message: I have removed him from List of unusual deaths because the aspects of his death that might make it truly unusual are all unproven. Right now, he's a soldier who died of a gunshot wound. If official findings support really weird circumstances, then perhaps he can return to the page. - DavidWBrooks 11:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unusual deaths 

message: Now that the Board of Inquiry Report into the death of Private Jake Kovco is complete and available this article needs a major overhaul to remove all the speculation over Private Kovco's death, much of which is has now been proven wrong. I've added a link to the report and the ADF's response to it at the bottom of the article. --Nick Dowling 23:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update needed 

message: There is much missing from this article since the military board of inquiry was completed. Doubt (from senior ADF personnell) about the integrity of the military boards' findings surfaced almost immediately after the report was released. Further, a coronial inquest into the death is still pending. Also, the first paragraph seems to be against the NPOV policy in stating that "died while deployed in Iraq as a result of an accident which occurred while mishandling his pistol" - while no other cause of death has been proven, neither has this scenario. I would like to edit this first paragraph to read that this was one theory of cause of death. I would also be willing to make updates to the main work relating to the events surrounding the military inquiry. Freefly27 01:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it - the article is badly out of date, and most of the material in which various people speculate on the cause of death should probably be removed or replaced. However, while the military inquiry's conclusions have been questioned, it's still the only comprehensive investigation of what happened to date so I'd suggest that it's conclusions be taken seriously. I'd strongly suggest that any changes to the article be cited and be in line with the guidelines on handling fringe theories - of which there seem to be lots floating around about Kovco. Remember that his death involves lots of living people so WP:BLP is also relevant (eg, don't include anything about his room mates and personal life which isn't supported by a reliable source). --Nick Dowling 02:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I will work on this page now and as the case progresses, keeping in mind your advice. Thanks.Freefly27 03:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Guys, I've updated it as best as I can with the little time I have available right now, hopefully it'll do, or will constitute a starting point for someone else. While I found that the response to the second verdict by Kovco's mother and widow may prove relevant to the article in light of the lobbying by parts of Kovco's family following the military inquest and thus included it, I have intentionally excluded mentioning some of the more controversial evidence that was heard at the second inquest because this is the second inquest which has ruled out suicide - to include the stuff that came out in the Coronial inquest was adjudged to have no influence on events, and is thus superfluous... and since it's superfluous, I'm of the view it's inclusion would go beyond encyclopaedic editing and would be disrespectful to Kovco's family and to his memory. It's not needed in the article, so it's been omitted. If it's added in later... well, I'll leave that Barney to someone else. Cheers.... Xlh (talk) 13:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the updates Xlh. This article really needs a lot of clean up in regards to how prior entries have been added - much of what is here was written as the story was unfolding and is incorrectly written in the present tense. I'll work on it over the next couple of weeks and also add some more detail for both the military and civillian investigations as there is much information that is relevant to how the case progressed and why the coronial inquest took place which is not shown. Nova210 (talk) 16:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inquiries 

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