Talk:M (1931 film)

message: I hope my edit, which has gotten a bit bigger than just the correction of the translation of the title "Mörder unter uns" that I originally had planned, is okay like that or can be kept with minor editing. If "the community" shouldn't like it at all, it would be nice to at least keep in the info that "Mörder" can be considered singular as well as plural, to know which is needed to understand why the Nazi party didn't like the original title. Thanks :~) Edwing (talk) 03:19, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazis and Murderer(s)

message: IMDb does mention the 1951 remake of this movie but there is nothing about a 1956 remake.  Does anyone have a source for this information? (unsigned)
:Haven't found it yet. Was in maybe only released in Germany or perhaps in a language other than German or English? Ellsworth 23:01, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Remakes

message: Does anyone have anything citable on the degree of connection to the story of the real-world child-murderer (well, youth-murderer) Fritz Haarmann? Or to the SA men who, around that time, were hunted down by Communists, turned over to the government, and given slap-on-the-wrist sentences? I'd like to get both into the article, but have nothing citable. ~- Jmabel | Talk 19:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's some good material in this PDF, but it appears to be a student paper. I'd have given it an "A", but that doesn't make it citable. - Jmabel | Talk 19:53, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fritz Haarmann; SA 

message: This somewhat more citable source suggests a connection to child-murderer Peter Kurten, of whom I had not previously been aware. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Kurten

message: it says in your link that beckert strangles children but in the movie he uses a knife  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigone2 (talk • contribs) 12:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Knife Used

message: I'd also like to add more (but lack citable sources) on the kangaroo court of criminal "experts in law" and, in particular their refusal to countenance an insanity plea, in particular that his insanity makes him all the worse in their view. Also, the subtheme of how his blatant crimes make it hard for them to get on with their day-to-day crimes. There is clearly a lot of social comment here, but it would be personal view for me to extrapolate it (especially since I haven't seen the film in about 20 years). Does someone have some citable sources on any of this? This is a much more interesting and important film than our article currently conveys. - Jmabel | Talk 20:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kangaroo Court 

message: I'd disagree that this film is film noir. In my opinion, it's German Expressionism. I thought the first film noir was supposed to be The Maltese Falcon, which wasn't released until 1941.Ashfan83 16:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But isn't film noir based heavily on the techniques of the German experessionists? So in film noir you'd find elements from German experssionism. Although to say that M is just German expressionism or just film noir is largly incorrect. Also, so say that The Maltese Falcon was the first film noir is probally taking liberties with the nature of genre. There is often no concrete starting point or finishing point for a genre and very often the first film hailed as a new genre by critics is often not the true first film in the new genre. There are prototypes which preceeded it and i believe M can be described in that way. Ex con87 (talk) 10:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Film noir

message: Would someone with higher-speed access than I please look into the "watch the film" link? What exactly is it? In particular, have they colorized (I'm guessing from the static page that they have, in which case we should indicate that it is an altered version of the film). Do you have to watch through ads to see it? Etc. Not sure if it is an appropriate link or not. - Jmabel | Talk 03:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable link 

message: the director says it was not based on the real-life case, why does the article still feel it can make that claim? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.122.217 (talk) 22:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin 

message: Changed this:
The judges are at such a height (2nd and 4th are the tallest) where they make the letter 'M.' This picture suggests, especially after Beckert's sincere oration, that society, not Beckert, is the Murder that is referenced in the title.
The first sentence is inaccurate (just watched the movie; the judges' heads do not form an M, but a triangle) and the second seems to contain original research. Furthermore, I added the real ending of the movie, which is the actual message that Lang meant to convey.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Zarathustra327 (talk • contribs) 
Just watched it again on Ovation channel. The last two lines Frau Beckman says are that we must watch our children more closely. "We all must."  Not that (only) parents should watch their children more closely as the article states. Lmonteros (talk) 06:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot problems 

message: At some point last year, I encountered "M". I can't figure out where, but I think it may have been MST3K, because that's where I know most old movies from. Does anyone know if M was covered on MST3K? That's all I need to know to figure out where I saw this. Crazyboy899 (talk) 19:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much doubt it could have been MST3K - they only made fun of really bad films that deserved it, and M hardly falls under that category.--131.111.213.41 (talk) 21:57, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  My brain! My poor, poor brain! 

message: Cast It is not Herr Schränker but Der Schränker as this is not a name but the criminal "profession" of this man. His actual name is not given. Schränker is derived from the German word Schrank (cupboard, closet, safe) here used in the meaning of strongbox / safe. So Der Schränker is a person who uses to break up safes. The word is not used any more today. --Colag (talk) 09:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schränker 

message: Your implicit suggestion that maybe somebody should do an article on him (instead of red linking the name) makes sense.  According to IMDB, he was in 131 movies.  Internet Movie Data Base, Georg John.  I know nothing about him and this is beyond my expertise.  However, he might be a good subjects for an article. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know anything about Georg John either.  My point was that with an actor from that long ago, if no one's written an aricle about them so far, it's unlikely that someone's going to write one spontaneously anytime soon, so it's better to leave them unlinked unless there are plans to make an article in the immediate future.  With more contemporary actors (or other film professionals) it's a somewhat different story, as it's a bit more likely that an article will be made about them, so leaving them redlinked makes some sense. But the story of how a film can change the way people view it Ed Fitzgerald t / c 18:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it's been take care of.  Happy editing  7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

text: No, actually, you should create the article first, and then change the links, that's more sensible and avoids the redlink reversion problem altogethr.  The timing of my reversion is irrelevant, I just happened to be editing when the change came in, and would have reverted a redlink if I saw it 3 minutes or 3 hours after the edit was made.You're very welcome for the help on the article - I may have a couple of things to add still.Ed Fitzgerald t / c 21:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Georg John]]

message: Try here.  Stanley Kauffman, "M" Criterion collection, review, etc.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The text of the review is not there, just a mention that it is included with the DVD. Believe me, I looked and looked for it on that site before I removed the link. Abato piscorum (talk) 16:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, on that site there is reference to an interview of Kaufman with Fritz Lang, which is on the DVD.  I was hoping, as you were, that we could use it some way.  Happy editing.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've written to Criterion, who says the essays are offline because of technical problems, but that they hope to have them back online at some future time. In the meantime, you can find them using the Wayback Machine. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 18:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stanley Kauffman review

message: The majority of this article reads like someone's personal essay on the film.  There are no sources and as a result it reads like a massive pile of original research. 70.119.246.18 (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Essay

message: I have removed the following material from the article because it is entirely unsourced and original research. Please do not readd any of the material without citing a reliable source. The material is enclosed within the following collapsed box: kollision (talk) 14:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced material removed

message: how many people does beckert kill ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigone2 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The wanted poster says the killer of Elsie is "believed to be the same that has already killed 8 children". The only victim that we see is Elsie; the two that he approaches on the night he is captured get away. It's not just girls, a boy and his sister are named as the most recent victims. Since we don't see the actual legal trial, we don't know just what evidence the police had to connect all of them and Beckert does not give a number. However, he MUST be responsable for at least one of the others, since his cigarettes were found at at least one other location.CFLeon (talk) 23:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kill

message: Was this work done in yiddish by an all-Jewish ensemble? Was it religious? The answer to both is no. Why then is the adjective Jewish being applied to this film?
Redactorman (talk) 14:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism. Mezigue (talk) 14:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish 

message: I added a note to the article about the 2013 theatrical re-release by Kino Lorber. This DCP version begins with a fair bit of text giving the history of different versions of the film and explains the sources from which the restoration was made. It casts doubt on whether there was ever a 117-minute version (the length traditionally claimed by sources of the original release in 1931). The text is all in German (with English subtitles); I can't find it reproduced online searching in English. Mathew5000 (talk) 17:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I found some good information from Torsten Kaiser of TLEFilms here on the Home Theater Forum boards. Whether this is adequately reliable for Wikipedia, I will leave to others to decide. For example, Kaiser says, "the film is now also more complete than on any other previous presentation since (its ban in) 1934. Much of the film's missing footage that was missing in various (mostly interrupted) sequences was found in a now preserved 35mm duplicate negative film element located in France. Most shots of M are now complete or almost complete.  Both Criterion and Eureka (who bought the 2003 Criterion master, the same master was color re-timed in early 2010) are based on previous stages (in other words are not as complete)." Mathew5000 (talk) 19:29, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Re-release 

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"The film was restored in 2000 by the Netherlands Film Museum in collaboration with the Federal Film Archive, the Cinemateque Suisse, Kirsch Media and ZDF/ARTE., with Janus Films releasing the 109-minute version as part of its Criterion Collection using prints from the same period from the Cinemateque Suisse and the Netherlands Film Museum."
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thread_title:  Criterion version 

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message: Someone should fix or delete this sentence fragment: "Empire Magazine 's 100 Best Films of World Cinema in 2010." Also, its associated reference 45 is a dead link.
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