Talk:Marin Barleti

message: #"In the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries a vernacular literature undoubtedly existed; Marin Barleti, in the siege of Shkodra..." link
#"..The Shkodra historian of the 15th and 16th centuries, Marin Barleti, speaks of chronicles written in the native language. In his book in Latin «The Siege of Shkodra» he writes: «I have recently got hold of certain annals — fragments rather than annals- which based on the legend, speak about the reconstruction rather than the construction of this city. In them we read in the native language that a certain Roza and his sister were the founders of the city of Shkodra.." link
#"Another witness is that of the Albanian scholar Marin BARLETI, who, in De obsidione Scodrensi (i 504), speaks of certain chronicles or annals, written in the vernacular...." link
#"..The famous chronicler Marin Barleti confirms the existence of written Albanian texts in his account of the siege of Shkodra when he speaks of native chronicles recounting legends about the founding of the city..." link
#"..Another humanist of the fifteenth century who made archaeological notes of interest was Marin Barleti. He was an Albanian and writer of a history of Skenderbeg (the national hero of Albania), in which he included notes on the remains at.." link 
That is something interesting and very informative. It should be inserted in the article Aigest (talk) 07:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Barletius had red books in native Albanian language (he knew how to read and write in Albanian so) and had left notes on their existence at that period

message: Does anyone know the origin of the photo used in the infobox? (File:MarinBarleti.jpg). Is it authentic or an artist rendering? Rereward (talk) 08:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the Marin Barleti photo? 

message: edit warred (diff) to boldly:
# misinterpret sources ("Some scholars assert he was an ethnic Italian, while most Albanian scholars believe he was Albanian." → "Most scholars believe he was Albanian, while some scholars say he was an Italian.") Here is what the source says:  - Important note: this work is published in Albania, in Tirana, by Onufri Publishing house. 
# remove referenced assertion about what Cetinje chronicle says about Barleti. His explanation was that sources written by authors who are Slavs are not reliable for such assertion.
Taken in consideration that above edit is clearly based on source misinterpretation and racist arguments it will be undone.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source misinterpretation 

message: There are many sources that confirm that "The History of Skanderbeg" was first published in 1480 in Venice and later in the Vatican and Rome. The question is: If it was published in 1480 and "Siege of Scodra" in 1504, it seems to be the first work and not the second? Bes-ARTTalk 16:22, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I misread it. This book was actually written by the "Anonymous of Antivari" while Barletti's book was first published in 1504 also in Venice. I will deal with adjustments Bes-ARTTalk 16:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  First work? 

message: *Visitors and editors can read in the article that  Source:  (no page)
*If we read the sources we find that they don't discuss what Pall (1938) - an WP:OUTDATED source - suggests. Pall (1938) vaguely cites them as reinforcing sources for the claim that  [That Barlezio was an Italian, it is showed to us by his culture, his feelings, as they appear from the writings, especially from a passage in the History of Scanderbeg, saying, although through the words of the condottiere Jacopo Piccinino, that the French are proud and have a innate hatred for the Italians, of whom they want to make themselves masters in order to use them as a mare.] But all that Du Cange writes is that Barleti wrote in Italian and Giovio's entry is not about Marin Barleti. Pall (1938) recognizes in pp.142-143 that Giovio's entry and others (Czwittinger, Fabricius) are not about Barleti.
*The primary citations used by Pall (1938) shouldn't be cited because they're not correct and because the secondary source (Pall) via which we're citing them is outdated. But Pall's narrative should remain in the article for historical reasons and it should be attributed to Pall. His Italian origin theory about Barleti in 1938 has historical value because it is not a coincidental publication event. As  writes: 
*Side comment: A note (1754) by Vasilije Petrović who wrote that Montenegro was Slavic "since the time of Alexander the Great" will be removed.--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not verifying bibliography: a never-ending story 

message: How is it possible that the most important Albanian historian, at least from the perspective of our history, is not identified as such in the wikipedia article? Marin is an Albanian name. He wrote about the siege of his own city and the history of our national hero. There's exactly zero evidence that he's not Albanian. Until that is provided, which it won't, he should be identified as Albanian. 140.147.2.1 (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Inscribed in his own book, The History of the Life and Deeds of Scanderbeg, the Prince of Epirus, it says at the beginning of preface and the first chapter, respectively, Marini Barletii Scodrensis, which translates to Marin Barleti Shkodran. You could even translate it to Marini, as that's the definite article in Albanian, which is also used for first names. 140.147.2.1 (talk) 16:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Not even in the latin edition of the History is his name rendered in latin as Marinus Barletius. The entire first edition is scanned and available in the Library of Congress digital repository. 140.147.2.1 (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albanian