Talk:List of Formula One fatalities

message: I've seen the archived discussion linked but since that discussion took place 7 years ago before the facts were released I think we should open another discussion here. I don't see why she shouldn't be included in the list, she died from complications relating to her injuries sustained during the accident, unless there's some other requirement I'm missing here? FozzieHey (talk) 09:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that anything has changed since then. Her accident contributed to her death, or was an indirect cause of her death, but I don't believe her accident can be described as a fatal accident, or an F1 fatality. The length of time between her accident and her death, and the degree of recovery she made during that time, make her case fall outside the criteria for this list, in my view. Bretonbanquet (talk) 21:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The consensus back then was based on the fact that she did not die in the initial incident. Since then we've had the tragic accident of Jules Bianchi which has made it onto this list. The forensic Doctor did say her death was "a consequence of the neurological injuries she suffered" and she was in a critical condition after the crash. FozzieHey (talk) 21:59, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no comparison between de Villota and Bianchi. He was in a coma and never regained consciousness. De Villota recovered to a large degree before her death. I would imagine there are a number of drivers who have died as an indirect result of an accident, having recovered somewhat in between. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:05, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you'd also have to define "recovered to a large degree". From my understanding Maria still had severe brain damage, was in a critical state after the accident and lost her right eye. I'd imagine there are other drivers as well, and if it can be proven would you object to them being added to the list? FozzieHey (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

text: If there is to be even the smallest chance of my supporting the addition of de Villota I am going to need direct quotes from the autopsy/doctors (not journalistic interpretation of direct quotes) that support this (media quoting autopsy is acceptable but a copy of the autopsy (if that's even a public document)) would be preferable) complete with citations as to where you got these direct quotes (WP:V). Also note that googling "Maria de Viollota autopsy" the majority of results say she died of natural causes.SSSB (talk) 22:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So "a consequence of the neurological injuries she suffered" wouldn't count? The BBC are listed as generally reliable under WP:RSP and it does seem to be a direct quote. FozzieHey (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That does not make it a fatal accident. Lauda died from kidney problems, and his kidneys were always damaged after he inhaled toxic gases and suffered blood poisoning due to his accident. He'd have realistically lived longer had it not been for his accident but that doesn't make it a direct consequence. There are probably many other examples. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Lauda died 43 years after his accident, Maria died 1 year after hers. In fact I'm not sure how half of the drivers are included in this article based on the current definition, does anyone who died any amount of time after the initial accident fit into the current definition in the lead? "This list includes drivers who have died during a FIA World Championship event (including practice, qualifying and the race), and those who have died while driving modern or vintage Formula One cars outside the World Championship. Track marshals and other race attendees who have died as a result of these accidents are not included in the list." FozzieHey (talk) 22:39, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The principle is basically the same. The wording in the lead probably isn't the best, and I think the whole list is problematic; I've always said that. But everyone on there either died in the accident itself, very shortly afterwards, or in a small number of cases, some time afterwards either without regaining consciousness or without leaving hospital having no chance of recovery (Taylor, Lewis-Evans). Peterson is an odd case but every other list includes him. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  María de Villota inclusion 

message: So if they are not mentioned here could someone at least please tell if there is any Website where I can see them? Like those people from Wolfgang von Trips' death or the the Fire Marshal that was hit by Tom Pryce or the "Race attendees" from the Cuba Grand Prix and that Engineer killed in the 1981(?) Belgian Grand Prix etc etc? (2804:29C4:16A:F100:380F:B1C1:2447:9972 (talk) 22:57, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Marshals and other Race attendees 

message: Please would an interested editor assess the rearranged and added material at User:Gohumanity/List of Formula One fatalities, incorporate what is useful, blank that page as WP:COPYARTICLE, and leave a note here when done? – Fayenatic London 08:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abandoned user draft 

message: I personally think it would be good to list all F1 driver deaths that occurred in practice outside a race weekend (although the article lists many, e.g. Elio de Angelis, Peter Revson, etc, it is missing others). For some who is looking for an F1 driver who was killed in a racecar, there's currently no good way to find them. I was looking for Alberto Ascari, but he wasn't here (I found him another way) - I guess because he was killed testing a sports car. I admit the edges are tricky; Bruce McLaren was an F1 driver, but was killed testing a CanAm car. Noel (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that I think about it, this doesn't have be done with a page - a category would do it. ('F1 drivers killed on track'.) I don't have the energy to set it up, though! :-) Noel (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd suggest getting support for the category from other editors before implementing it. You may like to start a conversation at the Formula One WikiProject. DH85868993 (talk) 06:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-race practice deaths