Talk:Joseph McMoneagle

message: Categories were changed in accordance with the recent Arbitration decision on the paranormal, specifically Adequate framing and Cultural artifacts, though other sections may apply. –––Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 02:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Category change

message: Predicting that temporary tattoos will be in vogue in 2005 is not a particularly noteworthy prediction unless the tattoos were more in vogue in 2005 than in 2004 or 2006. Is there evidence that this was the case? Or is there possibly a prediction that's more easily verified as having occurred? Antelan talk 23:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future 

message: "He has predicted future events" is misleading as written. In my first several reads of this article, it struck me that this meant that he has predicted future events successfully. This is why I placed the fact tag. I still think this needs to be rewritten, backed up by evidence, or removed. Antelan talk 01:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and in those articles (specifically Ed Dames and Nostradamus) it is made clear when these predictions have turned out not to be true. In fact, if he hasn't made a correct prediction, I bet we'd have a hard time finding secondary sources interested enough to care about his predictions - i.e., they may not be notable. Antelan talk 03:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd agree. "He has predicted future events" is misleading, nevertheless, as it implies that these "future events" that he "predicted" actually exist. A "future event" that never comes to pass is not a "future event" at all, it is an imagined event.71.55.106.189 (talk) 01:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: In McMoneagle's published book titled "The Ultimate Time Machine" (Hampton Roads Publishing company, 1998,) Chapter 14, page 232 he wrote, "Within five years, 1998 to 2003, there will be a second war in northern Iraq. It will probably be much bigger than the one in which Iraq was soundly defeated in 1991 by a coalition effort in what is now known as the Persian Gulf War." As we all know now, Iraq was invaded and the war began in 2003. Thus, he correctly and publicly predicted a major future event. Balef (talk) 11:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to find a reliable source that describes his prediction as correct. You can't insert your own conclusions on the subject, that is original research. Preferably though, the reliable source would be one that rates his overall success across all his predictions, compared to chance. Just cherry-picking predictions that seem to have some resemblence to what has happened is meaningless. Ryan Paddy (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading 

message: Searching the net for info about McMoneagle shows up references to him supposedly claiming to have been awarded a Legion of Merit for his work on the Stargate-project. Does anyone know if its possible to verify if this is true or not? Doing a search for it on his own website gives several hits as an example: http://www.google.se/search?q=legion+of+merit+%2Bsite%3Awww.mceagle.com /195.54.97.238 11:36, 5 November 2007                                                
Kazuba 23:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, from the movie it atleast seems like he has been awarded a Legion of Merit (Shows a document and the actual medal rather late in the movie). If the reason for the award is paranormal powers or not could not be determined, since they didnt zoom in on anything stating why he had been given the medal (If such a statement exists its quite strange that the didnt show it in my opinion). However, if he is a Legion of Merit holder, perhaps a small note about it should be included and his name added to the list of people that has recived it? /Lordak 09:54, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, McMoneagle's Legion of Merit doesn't specify whether he got the award for psychic remote viewing or for ordinary SIGINT work. Of course this stuff is OR, but it does help make a point; all we can really verify is that he got the award. Anything McMoneagle says beyond that should be treated as his own claims, not reliably sourced 3rd party fact. - LuckyLouie (talk) 19:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legion of Merit 

message: What is all-caps FEAR? Does it differ from lower-case "fear"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.106.189 (talk) 01:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FEAR? 

message: Article reassessed and graded as start class.  However this article really needs to be more focused on the person named in the title rather then on the Stargate program itself. --dashiellx (talk) 11:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: I would hope that I wouldn't even have to point out to people that this article is written like a pro-psychic powers advertisement/trat. There's a section titled "McMoneagle's remote viewing time travel revelations" that just lists off his predictions uncritically, for crying out loud. The whole thing is a mess from beginning to end, other than some small attempts at making the lead NPOV. DreamGuy (talk) 19:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV problems 

message: Some more sources I dug up: (in Romanian!); ;; ;;. This is an interesting account of a physicist's interaction with McMoneagle, which ends with the physicist believing in his powers:. I'd say it's a good example of credulity and how physicists are prone to mystical thinking, but that's just me. Fences and windows (talk) 00:29, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say that last source begins with the physicist believing in his powers. I wonder about the envelopes with the questions - did the subject get to take them away to "study" them? Isn't it curious that the question he got totally wrong was the one about identifying the particle in the envelope, which he would have required serious scientific tools to identify, whereas he was quite good at answering the other questions which you'd only need a knowledge of physics to answer? Ryan Paddy (talk) 03:48, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: McMoneagle's information about the space alien creators of the "sea otters" has no value?Kazuba (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it certainly introduces an element of humor.  I mean, sea otters? Viriditas (talk) 08:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This may relate to the Aquatic ape hypothesis.143.85.18.26 (talk) 14:40, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The Aliens

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