Talk:Panic! at the Disco/Archive 1

message: Started 09/04/2006 Hackajar 06:20, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

message: 11/03/06 - Vandalism took place, I reverted it twice as I was browsing the article at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sovvy (talk • contribs) 14:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial text

message: Just as FYI Billboard Reports this album as Platinum. Hackajar 11:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should add, soundscan does NOT have more then 1mil on their tab even though RIAA issued this landmark! so until (ok 'if') they hit 1mil on soundscan this will look weird on main page.  Blink 182 discog does not even have approx sales, could just remove that number in liue of plat status, thoughts? Hackajar 11:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Platinum Status

message: I really suck at making Wikipedia articles or adding on to them, besides from making small corrections. Can someone add information on their new music video?
:"Lying is.." If so, I made that change.  All I know is that recorded it because they said it at a concert I went to in June.  It probably won't be out for a while though. --Freddy Jade 10:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New music video 

message: I added some more content. I plan to add more later, but I felt this page was lacking quite a lot of things. --Dess 02:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More content 

message: I was wondering if it's appropriate to list "The Only Difference between Martyrdom and Suicide Is Press Coverage" as one of the singles. I mean, it made all these download and single charts, but there is neither a music video for the song nor a CD/vinyl release. I'm not exactly sure as to what qualifies as a single, I just feel that listing it like this might give false notions. --HarryCane 18:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying album track=single? Sorry, lad, but that's just wrong... --HarryCane 13:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Only Difference" single 

message: Does anyone believe the recent departure of Brent may lead to the split of the band? even it it doesnt lead to that it could possibly hit the band hard!
--Matt9m5 19:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split-up 

message: When I saw this video I thought it was a big rip on Eyes Wide Shut, with all the masks, and the whole being yelled at by that woman in the cell (I thought she was either supposed to be Nicole Kidman, or that woman who recognises him at the underground club), what do you think? Should "Also, the club featured in this video does bare some resemblance to the party that tom cruise attends in Eyes Wide Shut". What do you think? Help plz 04:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: But it's better if you do video notes

message: Would it bother anybody if I moved all the chart positions from the discography to the respective album/singles articles? I find the section extremely cluttered, and I think the chart positions are better suited in the seperate articles anyway. Also, all of these chart positions need citation, which will be tricky as I wouldn't know how to find e.g. old iTunes charts. --HarryCane 13:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that these suggestions were being made only AFTER I voted Keep for The_Only_Difference_Between_Martyrdom_And_Suicide_Is_Press_Coverage and also added said charts to main page.  Which conforms to many band pages, see Weezer, Angels_and_airwaves, Fall_out_boy, Brittney_Spears, Dr_Dre or 30_seconds_to_mars just to name a few.  Consider talking to me on my talk page User_talk:Hackajar and not reverting P!atD pages due to lack of sharing my opinion! Hackajar 12:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Straight up lie. I made this suggestion a whole day before both your vote and your undiscussed changes to the article. I couldn't care less about your vote. --HarryCane 12:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where was "Point-of-View" spam?Hackajar 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Parts referred to were accientally merged with chart updates, not my own Hackajar 16:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart positions 

message: Since the biography starts with an ambiguous "he", as someone who knows nothing about the band I have no idea what this is talking about.  The biography should be about the fan, not tidbits about the lead singer, that should be left to his own page.  Someone who knows something, please rewrite this section.  jordan 13:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ryan Ross had an article, which was deleted because it either violated a Wikipedia policy or was voted for deletion. It was then re-created several times, until it was blocked from re-creation. As it appears, it is not anymore. This is a free encyclopedia, so if you want an article this badly, go ahead and create it. If it's informative, good (as far as formatting, referencing and stating its notability goes), and not violating any Wikipedia rules, it won't be deleted again. Although, I find the notability of all members' own pages very questionable and I doubt you will be able to find enough verifiable information on each one. --HarryCane 14:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: I would like to point out that the article is a little out of order. For some reason, it lists Brent "leaving the band" AFTER the "Lying is the Most Fun..." video, however, the "Lying..." video was not filmed until after he was fired. Same with the mention of the Snakes on a Plane soundtrack, that should be the very last thing listed because it is the most recent. Although, it may not be important enough to list in their biography at all. --MJB12 17:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  A bio should be in cronological order Hackajar 10:31, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order in Biography 

message: I would like to address the recent page move (which by the way borders on page move vandalism) by User:Evanreyes. Wikipedia's policies clearly state that the preposition "at" not be capitalised in band names and album titles. Also, the band's latest release ("Lying Is the Most Fun a Girl Can Have without Taking Her Clothes Off") uses the exact same capitalisation rules. Same goes for the song titles said user likes to change. A lot of cleanup and moving back needs to be done. --HarryCane 12:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be noted that User:Evanreyes was found editing my personal talk page renaming the 'a' letters in title, which (IMHO ALERT) seems like a genocide style attempt to make one's point (that is to make new argument 'well no one else seems to be pointing to that article! so it should be changed!).Hackajar 14:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I am open to discussing the matter, however, the song titles should not have "Without" and "Between" lowercase. The naming conventions policy that User:HarryCane is so enamored with clearly states that "Words of five letters or longer are generally capitalized, regardless of their part of speech." It's stilly to make those two words lowercase. Also, I am of the opinion that if the band chose to name themselves Panic! At the Disco, we shouldn't ignore that. I realize that English usage rules and Wikipedia conventions say we should make it lowercase, however band names are created by the band themselves, and therefore can be fudged a little. Also, the argument that "many websites have every word capitalized" is not valid, since many websites capitalize every word in every band, song, and album title irrationally. HarryCane is not the authority on Wikipedia or this band, and should not be treated as such. Evan Reyes 19:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I apologize for editing users' talk pages. I did not realize this was explicitly against Wikipedia's policies at the time. It won't happen again. Evan Reyes 19:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody said I was, or (sadly) treated me like, the authority on Wikipedia or this band. I'm just applying WP conventions. The five letter thing was recently added (on August 6), which is why I wasn't familiar with that certain rule. My apologies for the song title part. As for the band name, the capitalized "At" is way too inconsequent for it to be an avowed unique spelling (see e.g. hellogoodbye). The only source you're citing is the band's MySpace profile, which, frankly, is likely to be run by some label employee who has little to do with the band itself. --HarryCane 20:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Harrycane here. The article should be at Panic! at the Disco per WP:NC and moving it (twice!) without prior discussion was wrong. --Fritz S. (Talk) 20:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth (which likely isn't much, since it's pretty irrelevant), I'd like the record to show that I hate this band. I think they're one of the least creative, pathetic excuses for music in the industry today. I simply did what I felt was right, and I'm certainly not going to feel any regret because of the actions of one HarryCane. Evan Reyes 20:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW HC 'says' he is fan of band, yet has some anti-P!atD behavior all the same.  No one cares if you like band or not, but they do care if you make drastic changes like that without bringing it up here first!(is the horse dead yet?)Hackajar 08:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, I'm not here to make you feel regret, Evan. And I wouldn't call my behavior "anti-P!atD", but that's a different issue alltogether... :) My question however is, if you hate this band so much, why do you take this much time editing P!atD-related articles, rather than articles of bands you do like? --HarryCane 09:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: The following list of bands were used to compare cleaness of article: Angels and Airwaves,The Killers %28band%29,Fall out boy,Cute is what we aim for,Bush_%28band%29,Nofx,Green day.  Based on this sampling, article apears to be cleaned-up from July request to do so.  Removing cleanup tag.  Please flame me here if you thing there is still some more work to do. Hackajar 18:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up and wikify

message: I have added wikify notice to history section.  It has become bloated and out of order.  I would like to do a good re-write, and am seeking people that would like to help.  This work would start on Wednesday.  If you would like to help out, please note so here Hackajar 13:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikify

message: Just wondering what other people thought but in my eyes Panic! aren't emo. There signed to an independent music label and therefore shouldn't they be classed as indie?
Connor 82.195.110.34 19:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly. --HarryCane 17:55, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Emo?

message: How on earth can this be electronica, lots of artists (not only rock but numerous other genres too) use synthesizers and other electronic instruments, but can that be classified as electronica? No. So shortly, my idea is that the electronica part (which is already heavily disputed as I can see) should just be took away, it doesn't sound in any way like electronica.
81.69.188.48 11:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Electronica is non-dancable electronic music. They are dance. Psychomelodic  23:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electronica? 

message: Why do people keep nagging about the band not being emo??? There's nothing wrong with being emo! STFU and accept the genre that they are! --Scotteh 17:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it's not "emo", maybe? Look, if it's just another emo band, they'd be emotionally-hardcore, "wrist-slitting" freaks, who write songs about their life being terrible, horrible mutilation, and suicide, and whatnot. It disputes the neutrality of the article by the way, as it evidentally has a tone of negativity against this band, and the term "emo". Next time, before branding something, define what the thing is, and what the tag of description is. For now, I'll personally take no editing action on this Wiki, save for clean-up editing. Qwerty 07:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: One another thing, why isn't My Chemical Romance considered emo again (according to the Wiki, which I have linked, it states that they are an Alternative Rock band? Aren't they a bunch of emos?)? Qwerty 07:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are seriously missing the point. You have no idea what emo is about. Emo is about emotionally fueled music in this age of the emo movement. --DieHard2k5 17:13, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of music is emotionally fueled in this day and age, yet would never be considered emo?  Is Ani Difranco emo?  Plus, that raises the question: Is Panic! emotionally fueled? I mean, how are songs about Chuck Palahniuk novels and the music industry emotional? --Kahlfin 20:22, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo Debate (again)

message: Roughly, electronic music deivides to 2 forms; electronica and EDM. As many people think, electronica is a synonym to electronic music\EDM. They are wrong! Electronica is stuff like IDM and trip hop, as EDM refer to the danceable electronic music (trance etc.)
For PATD I believe dance-punk will fit, or EDM, even just "electronic music" (however this option is not so informative), but not electronica!  Psychomelodic  01:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not electronica!