Talk:Montreal Canadiens/Archive 1

message: If you add players to the Montreal Canadiens article, could also be so kind as to add them here too: List of Montreal Canadiens players. That would be very helpful. Thanks! Masterhatch 5 August 2005
I REALLY don't think the nicknames need to be wikified...Habsfannova 02:42, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nick names are a good way of separating players who have the same name as other notable people. Masterhatch 01:57, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Montreal Canadiens players]] 

message: I was a little disappointed to see my statement removed from this Wikipedia page. It was a clear and concise fact: "Toronto is a far better team than Montreal."
: It is concise, I'll grant you that.  Clear or a fact?  No.  For one thing, "better" how?  Over the course of the respective franchises?  Of course not.  In the expansion era?  Stanley Cups for Montreal: 10, Stanley Cups for Toronto: 0.  In the last six years?  Alright, there's something.  For another thing, it's a POV violation.  For a third, it doesn't come off as informative, it comes off as an in-your-face to Habs fans, and that's behavior better suited to partisan team blogs than to an encyclopedia.  Now you could certainly say "Toronto has a better record the last six seasons than Montreal," but at best that's trivial and subject to change: as to that, you have noticed that Montreal is leading Toronto in the standings this season, yes?  RGTraynor 20:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual Statement

message: What's missing from this page is a history of the buildings. The old Forum is as much a part of this team's history as anything else.
fvincent 19:24, Nov 27, 2003 (UTC)
Hm, les Tricolores? Several sources indicate that "Le Tricolore" is the correct term, haven't found any references to "Les Tricolores". Tremblay 15:11, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing

message: I tried removing the "blank.gif" for the alternate logo, but it left 100px on the page when I tried to remove it.  Not sure if something else needs to be changed. Bigdottawa 01:16, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate Logo 

message: What's this about the Expos being "retired" by the Habs?  Was a number actually set aside?  If what this actually involves is a banner hanging up in the arena honoring the Expos, that's very nice, but it isn't a "retired number" and should be removed from said listing.  RGTraynor 02:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, the Expos part should be removed. Also does Bob Gainey, Larry Robinson, Serge Savard & other former players, whose number haven't been worn for some time (yet aren't retired numbers) have to be listed? I don't think they should be, (unless their numbers are scheduled to be retired) GoodDay 18:22, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's back, for some reason.  Being taken care of. 136.159.248.4 00:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired "numbers?" 

message: The Habs (along with Captain Saku Koivu), have four alternate captains: #20 Richard Zednik, #27 Alexi Kovalev, #44 Sheldon Souray & #52 Craig Rivet. Is this corect? Mightberight/wrong 2:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I had this same question with my friends the other night. They said that a pair wear the A's on the road while the other wear them at home. I'm not sure if this is true or not. Can anyone shed some light? Xtanstic 01:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Once more, User: 66.131.149.19 has (in the current roster section), stripped Kovalev & Souray of their "A"s (alternate captaincies). Just because a player is injured & out of the lineup, doesn't mean they're no longer a captain or alternate captain. The Montreal Canadiens have FOUR alternate captains, two for home games & two for road games. I have edited the article to show (correctly) the 4 'A's. the current roster is the 2005-06 season.GoodDay 17:12, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet another user, (this time User: 69.157.184.205), has taken the 'A's from Kovalev & Souray. I won't change it again, though I still disagree. I've surrendered the 4 'A's fight, Go Habs Go GoodDay 22:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm just seeking info, has Bob Gainey trimmed down the alternate captains to Kovalev & Rivet? Under Claude Julien, there were four alternate captains: Kovalev, Rivet, Souray & Zednik. GoodDay 17:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate Captains

message: On the subject of logo design: are you sure the "CH" doesn't have something to do with "les habitants" (hence the nickname)?
:The CH is definitely an abbreviation for "Club de Hockey Canadien". The official story can even be found on the Canadiens homepage, www.canadiens.com
:fvincent 19:02, Nov 27, 2003 (UTC)
::: Really? Would you mind giving us the full link? I always thought it stood for "C"anadiens "H"abitants. Alireza Hashemi 06:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: I remember the announcer shouting John Bocabella in the same way the announcer at the Forum announced Yvan Cournoyer John wesley 13:43, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team announcer shared by Expos in the 1970s? 

message: Something has to be put into this article about the wide popularity of the Montreal Canadiens, I know there might be some potential POV issues, but if the Toronto Maple Leafs page has a claim to being one of the most popular teams, then Montreal certainly has a claim as being one of the most popular as well. User:Kingsean1 11:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

message: Maurice did start that riot, but did not approve of it, and even went on the radio, asking rioters to stop. So was making a riot happen that you wanted to stop make you infamous? And they listened to him...
: No, I'd say any claim to that around Richard comes more from the fact that no superstar in hockey history has such a record of violence and assaults against officials.  RGTraynor 13:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infamous?

message: The article repeatedly claims 24 Cups, but the year-by-year listing only shows 23. 69.137.220.179 04:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They won one in 1916, before the NHL started.Habsfan|t 18:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  23 or 24 Stanley Cups? 

message: The title of the article should be changed to "Le club de hockey Canadien" in order to reflect the proper spelling of the team name.
67.160.202.16 07:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And of course it would be on the French Wikipedia.  This is, however, the English Wikipedia.  Come to that, click on the English language tab on the Habs' official website, and you're directed to a page headed with "The Official Page of the Montreal Canadiens."  RGTraynor 13:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Even if we were to use the "Americanized" version, its still spelled wrong.  It should be Montréal Canadiens. 67.160.202.16 19:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Americanized?? http://www.canadiens.com/eng/index.cfm http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/?hubname=nhl-canadiens http://www.forecaster.ca/hockeynews/hockey/_4qc90jbtip20/teamhome.cgi?Mtl http://www.cbc.ca/sports/stats/nhl/teams/ http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Montreal/home.html ccwaters 19:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Anglophone media spells it wrong, just like how they butcher foreign player names by not including diacritics. 67.160.202.16 22:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sorry. Its not the Americans, its the entire English speaking world. Care to expand those in the wrong to include the Canadiens themselves? first link was the team's official site in English. ccwaters 22:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The team's official site can't even spell the player's names properly with diacritics, so you expect me to be suprised that whoever made the team's site can't get the team name right either?  Diacritics need to be included in the article, any other spelling is incorrect and unencyclopedic. 67.160.202.16 00:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You don't get to choose what is correct.  Common usage determines what is correct, and common usage falls on the side of 'no diacritics'.  All these assertions from you don't change the fact that the overwhelmingly most used spelling in the english world has no acute accent, nor should it since it doesn't even reflect the common english pronunciation.  Deal with it. Aottley 02:45, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why do other people insist that other hockey related articles must include diacritics then, dispite this supposed "common usage"? 67.160.202.16 03:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because there's a minority of language warriors (almost all Europeans) who insist that English usage conform to the linguistic practices and rules of their own languages.  (That many English names, on their own-language Wikipedias, conform to the local spellings rather than to their English equivalents is something which they studiously avoid answering whenever the question is raised.)  It's been a political football for some time.  RGTraynor 04:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper spelling 

message: See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Team_pages_format#Player_nationalities and User:Buchanan-Hermit/NHL Player Nationalities (Flags). Basically Perezhogin played for Russia in World Juniors and therefore represents Russia. Also if you google him you'll notice he's was most often referred to as a Russian, hardly ever a Kazakh. Perhaps his is ethnically a Russian, much like Evgeni Nabokov? The flags are meant to represent nationality not place of birth. ccwaters 12:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I'll change it. --Soopafred 22:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alexander Perezhogin's flag

message: Has anyone else heard or read about this.  Nonetheless, I'd like to see some proper referencing. — Dorvaq (talk) 15:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its absolutely false: http://www.nhl.com/futures/drafthistory.html ccwaters 15:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: As part of the phasing out of the sponsorship of junior teams by NHL teams (who would thereby own the NHL rights to the junior teams' players), the Montreal Canadiens were granted two additional picks (coming before all of the other draft choices) specifically for drafting French-Canadian players. This special dispensation was eliminated for the 1970 draft. See http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/draftindex.html, http://www.legendsofhockey.net/html/spot_oneononep198802.htm. It existed only for a brief period of time, and the draft itself only existed since 1963, and so doesn't play the role that was described in the section that was added to the article. Isaac Lin 20:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French-Canadian Drafting Rights? 

message: Someone went through the articles for both Expos and Canadiens and converted every occurence of "Montreal" to "Montréal" (on the grounds of "standardizing spelling" according to the comment in the history).  For the same reasons set out in much greater detail on Talk:Montréal Expos, I have reverted the spellings to the English version of the city's name, in order to be consistent with most Montreal articles in the English Wikipedia. I appreciate that Montréal is the official name of the city, but Montreal (without the accent) is a perfectly valid English-language equivalent, and the one used in this Wikipedia.  Frankly, the use of Montréal comes across as an affectation where the norm in this context is to use Montreal. It also reaches new heights of absurdity when an article refers to the "Montréal Gazette" or "Montréalers" -- someone probably went through the article adding accents without regard whatsoever to context.
As always, I'm happy to discuss this point further. I couldn't find a Wikipedia guideline on this point, but would obviously be interested if there is one.  If there has been a prior discussion on this point elsewhere, I would be interested in knowing that as well.  Skeezix1000 20:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm given to understand the en-version of Wikipedia is officially accent- and diacritical-free, which makes all the uses on all the team pages (including the liberal use of diacriticals in European player names) out of bounds.  RGTraynor 22:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  While I'm not objecting to the lack of an accent in this article, I do have to question the "en-version of Wikipedia is officially accent- and diacritical-free".  Given that the English language isn't "accent- and diacritical-free" (for example the word resumé) then how can Wikipedia be free of such things?  Do you have a pointer to that policy? Nfitz 22:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  On a similar note, why is Vezina spelt "Vézina" in the article?67.160.202.16 10:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Accent on Montreal

message: Why is the Billy Coutu incident listed under the Montreal Canadiens' infamous moments?  At the time, he was playing for the Boston Bruins against the Ottawa Senators.  I don't see the Canadiens connection other then being traded from Montreal after the preceding NHL season. — Dorvaq 15:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and deleted the statement. — Dorvaq (talk) 16:53, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Billy Coutu Incident? 

message: Someone started an article on the Super Series between the Soviet and NHL teams, but they didn't get far.  Please help, especially with 1975-76 USSR Red Army ice hockey tour of North America, which involved the famous Red Army - Canadiens match-up.  Thanks. Kevlar67 05:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  '75 vs. Soviet Red Army 

message: There's a sentence in this section that reads "<< This is an UNTRUE "FACT"......THE 1909-10 Team was "Le Club de hockey Canadiens"( The name it regained {after a brief time as the Canadian Athletic Club } in 1918, when the team was sold to former Canadiens Goalie Leo Dandurant ), anyone who doubts this can look for the 1909-10 team in their blue jerseys with a large white "C" on them....unfortunately, this "Haileybury myth" is still being repeated ( Including here ). ."
I've deleted this sentence, because while I can't vouch for the accuracy of the statement, it's an editorial comment with no attribution.  If the statement is, in fact, accurate, I'm happy to bring it into more Wikipedia-appropriate language and add it again.
64.81.139.191 02:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an inaccurate statement.  As the article states (cf Coleman), there was indeed an unrelated "Les Canadiens" club in the NHA in 1909, provoking a trademark controversy.  I'm sure it would have been cleaner and more feelgood for certain fans if the O'Brien silver interests had sold Les Canadiens to George Kennedy and Haileybury to Eddie Livingstone instead of the other way around, but that's what happened.  To quote Coleman (and I'll put the cite into the main article):
The Canadien Athletic Club represented by George Kennedy was granted a franchise, as was Quebec ... taking over the franchises of Haileybury and Cobalt.  It was understood that the Canadien club in acquiring the Haileybury franchise would also obtain the players of that club ... Les Canadiens franchise owned by J.A. O'Brien of Renfrew remained in the association and it was expected to be taken over by a Toronto club in 1912. RGTraynor 05:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the info.  64.81.139.191 02:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1909-1932 Section

message: I've seen publications that have included Aurel Joliet & Elmer Lach in Habs number retirement lists. What caused the confusion? GoodDay 21:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired Numbers 

message: Hello all. I just saw that this article used to be featured and that it has deteriorated in recent years so I kind of felt bad and started getting it back on the right track. This is a great team with a great history and it deserves a good article. If you want to join me on this quest, take a look at the New Jersey Devils article and use that as an example. Sportskido8 18:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've readjusted the 'team captains' & 'head coaches' sections, making them easier to follow. PS- Head Coaches (like the captains), should be listed 'by person' not 'by season' example: Geofferion 1979 then Ruel 1979-80 Instead of Geofferion & Ruel 1979-80. GoodDay 18:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article fix-up 

message: I'm a Liverpool fan, and Gillet has just bought my club. How is he generally perceived by canadiens fans? What can we expect from him, and how do they feel about the fact he has just bought a soccer club?Musungu jim 22:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand your interest, but WP's articles aren't the place to discuss this.  Anyone responding to Mr. Musungu jim should do it on his talk page.  Kevlar67 20:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George N. Gillett, Jr. 

message: Under the current Honored Members guideline as WPT, Tony Esposito should be added to the Honored Members section. GoodDay 18:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tony Esposito

message: This section looks great (to me personally), however it doesn't conform to the guidelines at WPTP. The guideline calls for all player in the HHOF, who've played for the Habs, to be listed. For example: under the current guideline 'Denis Savard' should be listed. GoodDay 17:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Honoured Members incomplete

message: Removed French version of Montreal Canadiens & Bell Centre. Why? The English version aren't on the Montreal Canadiens article at French Wikipedia. GoodDay 22:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the 'Les Canadiens de Montreal'. Since, there wasn't any consensus to remove it. I used the Quebec Nordiques page, as an example. What the French Wikipedia does, is it's own choice. GoodDay 17:40, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top Infobox 

message: I have semi-protected this article due to vandalism that is taking too long to get reverted when it appears. - Mark 05:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Happened to find this press release in which the Canadiens themselves date their founding to 1909, and do not claim the history of the Haileybury Hockey Club.  I'd have mentioned this here first, but you can't get much more authoritative than a team press release. Blueboy96 16:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless, we still need references verifying your point.  If you have some, put them in.  It's not enough to tell people to "Just read the newspapers on microfilm". I've done some digging on the internet and everything I've found agrees with Blueboy96. — Dorvaq (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reference is right in Trail of the Stanley Cup, Charles L. Coleman, Vol I, p. 201 (1966). It was properly cited in the article in this revision , which the revisionist historians promptly removed. There is nothing in WP:RS which requires a source to be available on the Internet.   RGTraynor  18:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you misread my point.  I was not suggesting that the source needed to be from the internet.  In fact, I was encouraging him to put sources in if he had any, as I couldn't find any over the internet. — Dorvaq (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Y'know, it just may be a good idea to do so; I'd wager the Boston Public Library has microfilm from the pertinent time period for newspapers from a city as important as Montreal.  Happily, Coleman cites his sources in the intro to TOTSC.  Basically, the issue here isn't really (IMHO) that the hockey establishment is deliberately covering up history.  It's just that hockey is prone to as many shibboleths and myths as any other sport.  Heck, Coleman said himself that many of the game's myths proved not to be true when critically examined.     RGTraynor  18:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Mm, it wouldn't have occurred to me to go before the summer of 1910; the impression I had from Coleman was that the franchise was given to CAC as settlement of the suit.  Why they were handed Haileybuty instead of Les Canadiens I couldn't say, but there have been other whacky franchise-for-franchise deals, like the legal shuffling of the Boston Celtics-Buffalo Braves franchises in 1978.    RGTraynor  19:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Haileybury Hockey Club --->Montreal Canadiens?  Nope ...

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replies: text: Fixed. Resolute 23:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Montrealcanadienslogo1920.gif

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replies: text: Fixed. Resolute 23:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Montrealcanadienslogo1918.gif

message: I think the logos should be put into a collage together in the Logos section of the article, rather than being pictures all scattered around. It might look better. Sportskido8 19:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Logos

message: As it reads today, the article suggests that the team known as Les Canadiens in the 1909-1910 NHA season became the Montreal Canadiens in 1910-1911.  However, it would seem that the 1910-1911 Montreal Canadiens team was actually the continuance of the 1909-1910 Haileybury Hockey Club.  (See articles at Haileybury Hockey Club, Toronto Blueshirts, and National Hockey Association.)  Now I know these articles are poorly referenced, but I have read on the subject and from what I can tell, "Les Canadiens" are unrelated to today's Montreal Canadiens.  It would be interesting to see if anybody has some good sources to set the record straight on this matter.  209.105.207.181 23:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's actually the case, and I've had the article reading that from time to time; the original cite is from Coleman's Trail of the Stanley Cup.  The problem is, there's a powerful stretch of revisionist history, going through to the Habs front office, that just can't stand the concept that the technical lineage of the team starts in an Anglo mining town, not in the Quebecois heartland.  I think TotSC is referenced in the article, but if you want the page ref, it's pg. 201, Vol I, with the following text:
(1911)  Prior to the annual meeting of the National Hockey Association, an item in the Montreal Herald stated that he Club Athletique-Canadien, a registered and incorporated body, claimed the name Canadiens.  Mr. George Kennedy, proprietor of this club, was seeking admission to the NHA and if refused would insist that the NHA drop the name Les Canadiens under which a franchise was operated the previous year.  He had not objected to the use of the name at the time, although he considered it was undoubtedly an infringement.  The annual meeting of the NHA was held November 12th, 1910 ... The Canadien Athletic Club represented by George Kennedy was granted a franchise, as was Quebec represented by Joe Power and M.J. Quinn, taking over the franchises of Haileybury and Cobalt.  It was understood that the Canadien club in acquiring the Haileybury franchise would also obtain the players of that club. However, the contracts up to that time did not provide any control over the players at the termination of a season and the clubs had bid against one another for their services.  Les Canadiens franchise owned by J.A. O'Brien of Renfrew, remained in the association and it was expected to be taken over by a Toronto club in 1912.   RGTraynor  23:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the revisionist history will of the Canadiens is, this does need to be corrected.  We shouldn't let attempts at rewriting history overrule the facts. Resolute 17:52, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have made edits to the article today to clarify the origins of the franchise.  209.105.207.181 18:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who were the first Montreal Canadiens? 

message: We need to fix this problem with how many they have. Either this article is incorrect or List of Stanley Cup champions is incorrect. What are some reliable sources for stuff like this? BsroiaadnTalk 21:33, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Habs have 23 in the NHL and one in the NHA.  They have won 24 Stanley Cups, no matter what anyone says.  I have no idea why people still seem to think they have 23.  Well I gues they have 23 and one more...Dbrodbeck 11:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 24 Cup championships. The Montreal Canadiens and the Stanley Cup, are older then the NHL itself. The Habs first Cup victory was in 1916 (a year and a half, before the NHL's birth). GoodDay 17:06, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, so why do people keep changing it to 23 on the page.  Seems to me it ought to be 24 in the article. Dbrodbeck 20:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely because they are using an NHL source, and the NHL often disregards the other major leagues that have existed in the past. Resolute 20:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Canadiens hang a banner for 1916, so it should be recognized here.Dknights411 22:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of Stanley Cups

message: The 'french version' of Montreal Canadiens has been removed. What, about the Quebec Nordiques page? GoodDay 23:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO the french name which is the official name of the franchise should be included in the infobox, just like in the Nordiques article. --Krm500 23:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'm neither for or against 'the french version' (recently, I've stop pushing english on English Wikpedia). I'm just concerned that the Nords and Habs pages are inconsistant. Hopefully, these 'french version' inconsistancies will be resolved soon. GoodDay 23:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I don't care either but I was just thinking of the Manual of Style. The MOS for infoboxes say that the english form should be the default and the native should be presented in parenthesis. --Krm500 01:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That version is being added to the infobox (English top, French bottom and in parentheses), as per discussion above. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 19:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Infobox

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