Talk:Georgios Papandreou

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: articles moved (alternate proposal). Dabomb87 (talk) 18:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Geórgios Papandréou (senior) → Georgios Papandreou (senior) and Geórgios Papandréou → Georgios Papandreou (junior) — a) diacritics are almost never used to transliterate Greek names, and b) since there are two of the same name, both important as prime ministers, there should be disambiguation Constantine   ✍  16:36, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

text: But there is no need for dab. I moved his grandfather's article to Georgios Papandreou (senior). The diacritics can go. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 16:46, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

text: On the other hand if for historical reasons a statement needs to be made that the name "Georgios Papandreou" should not be granted to either of these two men, because they are equally worthy of it (although that borders on OR), I am neutral, leaning on calling the grandfather "Georgios Papandreou" and the grandson "Georgios Papandreou (junior)". Dr.K. λogosπraxis 17:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that, taking the long view, the senior Papandreou may well be the more important of the two. My preference for disambiguating both is based on the fact that as the grandson is currently active as the PM, he will be more searched for than his grandpa. Constantine   ✍  18:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Georgios A. Papandreou"? (for junior) and "Georgios Papandreou" for senior (as in the Greek Wikipedia and many other foreign wikis such as the Italian, German Wikipedias etc.). See also George W. Bush. I simply don't like the "junior", "senior" dabs. Meanwhile for those who are looking for the junior and fall on senior's page we have the hatnote. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 18:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, Papandreou himself certainly uses that form... There are two problems however. "A." would suggest a middle name to an English-language reader, and not the abbreviation of the patronymic (tellingly, the page for the younger Papandreou was for years under "George Andreas Papandreou"). In addition, the elder Papandreou's father was also named "Andreas". I don't particularly like the senior/junior forms either, but I don't see any valid alternative, except perhaps for disambiguating by dates... Constantine   ✍  19:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact remains that the old Papandreou is widely known as "Georgios Papandreou" both inside and outside Greece and he is the original "Georgios Papandreou" and does not need a middle initial. The younger one to be spared the fate of having "(junior)" attached to his name, I think it is a fair and elegant compromise to put the middle initial "A." and if by chance this confuses some readers we can explain it in the article, but I think this is a minor point and the disambiguation benefit of the middle initial far outweighs the confusion about a middle name or patronymic. We can also call him "Yorgos" similar to "Kostas" Karamanlis. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 01:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Per common usage, the most correct form for the younger would actually be "George Papandreou" (with or without the "A."), because this is the overwhelmingly used form in English-language sources. We could then perhaps leave the grandfather at "Georgios Papandreou" and avoid the ugly junior and senior issue. A disambiguation hatnote would either way suffice for linking to each from the other's article... I am dead set against "Yorgos" however, it just looks ugly... Constantine   ✍  03:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Let's name the younger Papandreou "George Papandreou" and the grandfather "Georgios Papandreou". I also agree with "Yorgos" not being particularly attractive but I was running out of options. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 03:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Support: I agree, it sounds fine.Metsobon34 (talk) 11:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move