Talk:Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl

message: * http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/kashimashi-girl-meets-girl/gn-2 - there's a new review by ANN about vol 2. -Malkinann 00:42, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link; I had no idea. I just incorperated an excerpt into Reception.--十八 01:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorperated; thanks for the notice.--十八 04:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

text:  since no one's gotten around to incorporating this, I'll see what I can do in a bit. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

text: That answers that question. This article seems to be slightly lacking in the breadth of coverage department. Only slightly, but still. (BTW, would anyone object to my refactoring all these references, here and above, into a single list, to make it easier to keep track of what's been used?) —Quasirandom (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine for me, Juhachi ? --KrebMarkt 16:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind.--十八 02:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done, and struck out the ones that have been incorporated. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, we've got the notability nailed with the series and English reviews, but that's a useful dossier. Good addition to the pile of Things To Get To. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be happy to incorporate it, if I could read French.--十八 10:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to my to do list. I just hope that Quasirandom won't ask for more Cross Game reviews translations. --KrebMarkt 15:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we have sufficient Reception coverage there for now -- I'm on to focusing on other referencing before splitting off the lists. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing against doing translation for Cross Game just that Dossier is as difficult as what i did for Torikaebaya Monogatari (burnt out + rolling over the floor). --KrebMarkt 09:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, don't burn yourself out! Taking care of yourself is more important than any one person's contributions to the Project. Besides, it's not like we're on a deadline. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done :) I want to help but not always by doing translations. Doing alway the same thing is like eating the same menu every day :( I'm going to write an article on something only released in France & Japan just for fun. Maybe i will be open for translation request tomorrow. --KrebMarkt 15:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's exactly why I often have trouble working on the same article for more than a week at a time, unless I'm really engaged in it. I'll try to be selective in my translation requests in the future. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reviews

message: Manga News.com did on Kashimashi: girl meet girl a  dossier. Both informative & an evidence of notability. --KrebMarkt 13:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we've got the notability nailed with the series and English reviews, but that's a useful dossier. Good addition to the pile of Things To Get To. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be happy to incorporate it, if I could read French.--十八 10:17, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Added to my to do list. I just hope that Quasirandom won't ask for more Cross Game reviews translations. --KrebMarkt 15:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we have sufficient Reception coverage there for now -- I'm on to focusing on other referencing before splitting off the lists. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:57, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing against doing translation for Cross Game just that Dossier is as difficult as what i did for Torikaebaya Monogatari (burnt out + rolling over the floor). --KrebMarkt 09:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please, don't burn yourself out! Taking care of yourself is more important than any one person's contributions to the Project. Besides, it's not like we're on a deadline. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:05, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done :) I want to help but not always by doing translations. Doing alway the same thing is like eating the same menu every day :( I'm going to write an article on something only released in France & Japan just for fun. Maybe i will be open for translation request tomorrow. --KrebMarkt 15:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's exactly why I often have trouble working on the same article for more than a week at a time, unless I'm really engaged in it. I'll try to be selective in my translation requests in the future. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: French coverage

message: French publisher Ki-oon (The five volumes published within one year crazy) --KrebMarkt 22:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah -- useful. Thankee. (Five in a year isn't too unusual in North America -- Viz publishes several series on an every-other-month schedule -- crazy for them was when they put out something like a dozen Naruto volumes in three months, to catch up with Japan.) —Quasirandom (talk) 23:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

text: ... which does bring out that the article doesn't mention ANYWHERE, not even in the Infobox, the French and Taiwanese (Kadokawa Media per zh.wiki) manga licensors. What other licenses are missing? Do we have all the anime licensors? —Quasirandom (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Outside of the infobox, is talking about licensors other than English really necessary? I didn't think so, since that info would be better suited for the other language's Wikpedias. Anyway, it doesn't seem to have been licensed anywhere else other than France and Taiwan. The anime doesn't appear to have been licensed outside America.--十八 01:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Experience from FAC/FLC is that, yes, as part of treating the subject it encyclopedically an article does need to state all foreign licenses, and to source those in the prose (as opposed to in the infobox). We don't need detailed release info -- that would go in the relevant language wiki -- but we do need to mention it. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:22, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

text:  (Another way to look at it is, the infobox is part of the lead, and you can't mention something in the lead unsourced without a reference for it in the body. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other refs 

message: De l’amour...
«Kashimashi» est avant toute chose une histoire qui nous parle d’amour. Dès les premières pages du récit, tout laisse présager qu’un triangle amoureux va se former entre l‘héroïne, Hazumu, et ses deux prétendantes: Yasuna Kamiizumi et Tomari Kurusu. Mais alors que nos deux rivales sont certaines de leurs sentiments, Hazumu ne sait quelle aspirante choisir. C’est ainsi que tout le récit de «Kashimashi» s’articule autour de l’indécision du personnage principal.
:Of love...
:Kashimashi is above all a story deals with love. From the story first pages, all foresee that a love triangle will form between the heroine, Hazumu, and her two contenders: Yasuna Kamiizumi and Tomari Kurusu. While our two rivals are certain of their sentiments, Hazumu doesn't know which aspirant to chose. The whole Kashimashi story revolves around the indecisiveness of the main character.
Jusque là, on peut penser que Kashimashi n’est qu’une simple histoire d’amour comme on peut en lire beaucoup dans les multiples shojo sortis en France... Et pourtant, force est de reconnaître que l’histoire créée par Akahori et Katsura sort indéniablement du lot. En effet la vision offerte par «Kashimashi» est l’incarnation de l’amour dans sa forme la plus pure, et donc la plus belle. Les sentiments qui unissent les personnages dépassent en effet deux frontières: Tout d’abord, la frontière des sexes. Malgré sa transformation en fille, Hazumu conserve intact les sentiments qu’il a pour Yasuna et Tomari, alors que sa métamorphose devait normalement présager qu’il se tourne vers la gent masculine. Il en va de même pour les deux autres demoiselles formant notre triangle amoureux: Tomari aimait Hazumu en tant que garçon et continue de l’aimer en tant que fille. Quant à Yasuna, elle éprouvait de forts sentiments pour notre protagoniste en tant que garçon, mais elle se forçait de les refouler à cause de sa maladie. Lorsque «il» est devenu «elle», ses sentiments ont alors pu se transformer en amour sincère.
:From that point, we could think that Kashimashi is just a simple story of love as we can a read many in the multiples shojo released in France... And then, man should recognize that the story created by Akahori & Katsura goes out definitively from lot. Indeed the vision offered by "Kashimashi" is the incarnation of love in its purest form, thus the most beautiful. The sentiments uniting the characters go beyond two frontiers: Firstly, sexes frontier. Even transformed into a girl, Hazumu keep her sentiments, she has for Yasuna & Tomari, while her metamorphosis normally presaged that he turned toward the masculine kind. The same goes for the others two demoiselles forming a love triangle: Tomari loved Hazumu as a boy and continued to love her as a girl. While Yasuna, she experienced strong sentiments for our protagonist as a boy, but she forced herself to repress them due to her illness. When "he" became "she", her sentiments could then be transformed into a sincere love.
La deuxième frontière qui s’efface est celle du désir, car l’amour qui unit nos trois héroïnes ne s’inscrit pas vraiment dans une démarche charnelle. Profondément féminin, il s’apparente plus à l’amour courtois que l’on peut retrouver dans les romans de Chrétien de Troyes. Le désir qui anime nos personnages est celui de découvrir l'autre, d'être constamment à ses côtés. On peut trouver un autre indice de cet état de fait dans la relation qui unit Yasuna et Tomari: Pourtant rivales, elles n’en gardent pas moins une attitude très honorable l’une envers l’autre et se refusent à tout coup bas, ce qui me fait penser à la noblesse d’âme des chevaliers de jadis.
:The second fading frontier is the desire one, because the love that unit our three heroines isn't real inscribed in carnal drive. Deeply feminine, it is related to courteous love that we can find in the Chrétien de Troyes's novels. The desire that animate our characters is the one to discover the other, to be constantly at their sides. We can find an evidence of this situation in the relationship uniting Yasuna & Tomari: while rivals, they still keep no less a very honorable attitude one toward other and refuse to use lowly blows, that let me think of the dignity of the old time knights. 
comment: I think that the reviewer went a bit over the board on this paragraph. --KrebMarkt
: o_O  
: ... That is the first time I've ever seen a comparison of a manga/anime to courtly love. 
: I can't tell if I think the reviewer has an interesting insight or completely full of it. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea. Saying Yasuna & Tomari = knights and Hazumu = the courted lady is bold & far fetched. --KrebMarkt 15:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Convenient break point 2

message: vol 1 review, Emmanuel Bahu-Leyser:</br>
Malgré un joli trait et des bons gags, Kashimashi s’avère soporifique. La psychologie du personnage principal est aussi profonde qu’un pédiluve. Il/elle se prend la tête tout du long (normal), mais n’arrive pas à nous faire compatir.
À force de ne pas vouloir trop s’engager sur un axe (réflexion, humour, romance ou friponneries), ce titre devient vite fade. Précisons qu’il ne s’agit pas d’un yuri pour filles, mais bien d’un seinen fan-service, publié dans le mensuel Dengeki Comics Daiô.
:Even with a good trait and some good gags, Kashimashi happens to be soporific. The main character psychology is as deep as a pediluvium . He/she think to much all along (nomrmal) but fells to make us sympathize.
:By not willing to engages itself on a direction (reflexion, comedy, romance, or echii), this title becomes quickly tasteless. We must precise that it isn't an yuri for girls but indeed a fan-service seinen, published in the monthly Dengeki Comics Daiô.
vol 2 review, Emmanuel Bahu-Leyser:</br>
Le fait que Hazumu soit devenu une fille n’a pas l’air de déranger ses deux prétendantes. 
:The fact that Hazumu became a girl doesn't seem to discourage her two contenders.
Malgré cela, ce triangle amoureux reste très cliché, lors des traditionnelles activités d’été.
:Even so, the love triangle remains very cliché during the traditional summers activities.
--KrebMarkt 08:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime Land reviews

message: Copying/saving text that was removed from the main article because we don't yet have a reliable source for making such a comparison: 
: The anime follows close to the manga for the first nine episodes. In episode ten, it starts to deviate from the manga and after that, the storyline in the anime has no connection with the manga. The series contains some suggestive references and some mild fan service that was not present in the original manga. An example of this is when Hazumu is transported back to Earth after having been transformed into a girl; in the manga she was fully clothed, but in the anime she was completely naked. 
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one review comment on the differences in the storyline, but until I (if no one else gets to it first) track it down, need to stash it here. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:16, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison of anime and manga 

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