Talk:Randal McCloy

message: This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 00:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for Deletion debate

message: Someone keeps adding McCoy's Amateur Radio Call Sign to this article.  Assuming this is even accurate, and it's not backed up by a verifiable source, it's not encyclopedic information. It's a trivial piece of information, much like his phone number or his email address.  It does not belong in this article any more than those pieces of information do. Crunch 18:14, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Walter Cronkite is one of, maybe the, most famous broadcasters of the 20th century on radio and television.  Being an amateur radio operator is significant in the context of what makes him notable.  According to the Walter Cronkite article he is narrated a program, also notable, on the Amateur Radio. So that's one of the most notable broadcasters of our time, broadcasting on Amateur Radio.  That's complete different than an average guy who is only notable for surviving a coal mine explosion being an Amateur Radio operator.  If McCloy broadcasts a program about the coal mine explosion that would be a different thing.  Until then it's not at all notable. Crunch 21:04, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Admittedly the list of articles with callsigns (Bruce Perens, Barry Goldwater, Steve Wozniak, Maximilian Kolbe, Hussein of Jordan, Bob Tomalski, Joe Walsh, Loyd Sigmon, Jean Shepherd) is largely radio personalities or technophiles, there are dozens more that list amateur radio as a hobby of notable figures.  A agree that it is a stretch to know whether he actually enjoys it as a hobby and is independently verifiable, so we'll wait until he recovers to know for sure.  If he takes it up after the glut of get well cards from ham radio operators he is mostly likely receiving right now, perhaps we could revisit the issue? I should says that the ham radio community is passing around news and information about him as if he were a brother and he features in on-air discussions regularly.  --Vees 21:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. At this point, McCloy is lying in a coma and is notable only for events surrounding that fact, sadly.  If/when he recovers enough to resume his hobbies, I imagine the article would undergo some major rewriting to include what his life would then be like. Crunch 12:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll side with Crunch here.  To my knowledge, nobody on any of the threads and said "Yeah, I talked to that Randal guy 4 times a day on the local ham repeater, he was really into it."  In fact, there are no traces of his radio operation or callsign on the Internet besides his license grant from the FCC.  --Vees 21:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: McCoy's Amateur Radio Call Sign

message: Just wanted to say, very happy to see this article's evolution: looks great! Thanks for keeping it around for us. Holon67 18:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This is apparently yet another function that Wikipedia and allied projects do better than just about anything else out there on the Web-- where else can you turn to get ongoing updates of the condition of somebody like McCloy? To get the same info from cnn.com or nytimes.com one must hunt and peck for minutes. Googling for it (including on Google News) leads you into a big chaff/wheat task... Yet there is the question of why Wikipedia seems to be outnewsing Wikinews here... JDG 21:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice job here 

message: So what has been going on over the last two weeks? Captain Jackson 05:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a small update at the bottom of the article that came out on February 15. I also cited my source in the appropriate location in the article. -WikiFiend90 06:42, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update Request 

message: Let me just say that the naive ones of you out there that constantly clean up articles of powerful statements, or statements that are above you, have once again been shown to be overzealous. I emphasized in this article months ago that this was the sole living witness of the men that were trapped. THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT. Why? Because Big Corporations will go to great measure to censor such events in the hope of minimizing blame and thereby of how much it is going to cost them when those hurt and the families of those killed come knocking for reparations. At first, I thought McCloy sold out when he said all he wanted was to get back to his home. Now, with the revelation BY HIM that four air packs did indeed fail, and therefore, arguably, the other men died unnecessarily because of the company's negligence on safety measures and safety measure maintenance, I just want to say: leave others insights alone!!! Stop the censorship and go back to your hand-basket weaving and wearing. You make me sick! 02:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censors