Talk:Rexist Party

message: Is the flag a Wikipedian's invention?--Wetman (talk) 01:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  flag 

message: "The party was founded by a journalist, Léon Degrelle, and, unlike contemporary fascist parties in Belgium, advocated Belgian unitarism and royalism."
Please enlighten us who those "contemporary fascist parties in Belgium" are! --165.165.92.246 (talk) 01:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Flemish National Union and Verdinaso are the big ones... —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  contemporary fascist parties 

message: At present it seems that one of the only two Belgian political parties party to have entries an entry for the "Religion" field in the infobox is one that was condemned by the bishops as a danger to the Church and was led by an excommunicate. The affiliation given is "Roman Catholic", added a day ago by an IP editor that is going round adding "Roman Catholic" to infoboxes on many far-right parties. (But not, for example, to Catholic Party (Belgium), where it might actually be appropriate.) Could we perhaps establish some consensus that being endorsed (rather than condemned) by a Church is what constitutes being affiliated to that Church? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Can I take silence as consent? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 20:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm open to the argument that "religion" is not a viable perimeter for political party infoboxes, but I do maintain that Rex must be described as a Roman Catholic movement. The church's (temporary) condemnation of the party is, to my mind, totally irrelevant; the party claimed to be Catholic and, objectively, held many principles in common with other right-wing Catholic political movements of the period. Ironically the Catholic Party was more conservative than it was "Catholic" per se but for Rex the same cannot be said. For VNV religion is pretty much irrelevant (except in so much as it was anti-Semitic) - that's why I reverted the change. —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But affiliation to an organisation is surely a two-way thing? When one institution claims affiliation to another institution, it is by no means irrelevant whether that claim is accepted or rejected by the second party. Action Française drew upon Catholic Action in much the same way, and was repudiated in much the same way. You might be of the opinion that Rex was more Catholic than the Catholic Party, but the Catholic bishops of the time would clearly have disagreed with that assessment. We might as well say Martin Luther was a Catholic, because he was a Catholic monk and theologian, claimed he was a Catholic, and what the bishops (or the pope) said is apparently irrelevant. It's not as though I could claim to speak on behalf of the city of Sheffield, because I once went to school there. The connection has to be mentioned, but it is tendentious to present it as though a straightforward affiliation, and the editor whose addition I reverted, with all the good faith in the world, clearly had an axe to grind. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: From an interview with Leon Degrelle:
Q: You were arrested, were you not?
A: Yes, I was arrested in 1940 by French troops, beaten, and moved around from damp jail cells where I was tortured until finally freed by German troops. They knew who I was since I was a leader of the Rexist Party, which was a Socialist anti-Communist political party. Seeing that I would not receive any help, let alone justice from the authorities in Belgium I knew that that government was illegitimate, and I decided that the corruption must be challenged. 83.128.173.145 (talk) 17:49, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A reliable source is needed. This is a self-serving retrospective description. Find something from before 1940 that says this. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 18:02, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Just because someone invokes the term socialism doesn't make it so. Fascists adopted plenty of socialist terminology because it appealed to people, not because they took it seriously. For instance, the Nazi Party's ideology was "national socialism," but they massacred actual leftists including socialists. Just because an organization draws "inspiration" (for lack of a better word) from socialists does not make that group socialist, and the fascist ideology certainly was opposed to socialism. Master of Time (talk) 20:21, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

text: It's a well-established rule that self-professions are not reliable sources for Wikipedia articles. If you can find a third-party source saying Rex was socialist, that would satisfy the usual requirements. Personally, I would settle for an official party document claiming socialism for the party, even though that is a primary source. Even a source for the quotation above would be a start. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 18:45, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

text: But there you run into the same problem: he considered his movement pure socialism; but how many scholars of political science regard it that way? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 13:14, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

text: The only question that matters is: what do reliable sources say about the party? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 17:30, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

text: The first link you provide goes to a message saying the content cannot be displayed. The second goes to a page that does not use the words you want to add to the infobox. You call this "giving sources"? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 17:41, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Just to note that Hellman's own book doesn't seem to mention Rexism. And the source linked just says Nazis were trying to fool people. Doug Weller talk 18:08, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leon Degrelle himself described the party a Socialist 

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