Talk:Belinda Stronach/Archive 2

message: Michael, you want your opinions (and that's what they are) included in the article despite the fact that you have presented no evidence to support your claims other than hearsay. You claim there was a meeting between Buzz Hargrove and Stronach in which somehow she revealed herself to be a social democrat but you are unable to cite on article, one document, one actual reference to support this claim. You can't even tell us on what date this alleged meeting occured. AndyL 14:08, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Although Stronach's political career has been entirely within conservative political parties, one contributor to Wikipedia believes strongly that she is a social democrat and that she will leave the Conservative Party to join the NDP.
Would that keep you happy, michaelm?  That seems to be a pretty fair depiction of the situtation here. The trouble is that this is not the Wikipedia style. The Wikipedia style is to report facts. Where a contentious matter is at debate, sometimes articles will use words like, "Some people believe that...." this is officially discouraged. And the problem here is that we cannot say that some people believe this since it is only you. Sorry, pal, but you're not going to win this one until Stronach herself says something about her social democratic beliefs. Kevintoronto 19:10, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  It don't Makes sense 

message: I'm for the resolution Sunray authored above (with slight modifications I was starting to write up but gave up and blanked, but here it is back. Oh well. Samaritan 06:51, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's unprofessional to refer to subjects by their first name. AndyL 06:38, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolution 2.0 

message: Belinda supported David Orchard in the 2003 PC leadership race  (-this was michaelm)
This is a fascinating find. In fairness, though, all it definitely confirms is that Orchard said Frank Stronach supported him in 2003. Also, you can support Orchard in a race without entirely buying into his position on free trade – Dalton Camp was always extremely sympathetic to Orchard in his columns, sometimes almost to the point of endorsement, and Camp had been one of Mulroney's top salesmen for free trade. Also, Orchard was leading a lawsuit to stop the creation of the party Belinda was seeking to lead, so they were hardly joined at the hip politically. Samaritan 05:02, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belinda Stronach was Anti-Free Trade 

message: *Wikistyle is to link to at least the first occurence of a term, so we must not remove the first CPC wikilink. The link in the next paragraph is neither here nor there and could go – remember, the article was originally written well before she was elected MP.
*Changing the description of Stronach as a Conservative MP to "Conservative Card Holder" is just awful, loses information and misleads the reader. She is not just a Conservative card holder who happens to be an MP. After running for the Conservative leadership, she won her election on the Conservative platform with Conservative on her signs and every ballot, she caucuses with her fellow Conservative MPs, holds a frontbench position in the Conservative caucus as trade critic, is listed as a Conservative in the Parliamentary directories and in Hansard every time she speaks, etc., etc. Saying she was a "Conservative Card Holder" suggests – as has happened in the past – she may not caucus with the party or list herself as a Conservative in Parliament, but is a member of the party. This does not reflect her position. Samaritan 05:10, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion 

message: If I may?
When and how did you first get the idea Belinda was an NDP social democrat? Don't just say she's a social democrat! I know that's your view. :) I'm just incredibly curious what set the idea off in your mind. Did somebody else tell you she was? Was it something specific that she said? I'm not asking for a list of evidence to back up your position – we've gone over all of that already. How did you first think: Belinda? Obviously a New Democrat... Samaritan 09:37, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michaelm: A question 

message: If Belinda Stronach joined the NDP would you vote for the NDP. - michaelm
No. Besides, Stronach is more likely to replace the limp Harper as Tory leader. AndyL 12:29, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  If Belinda Stronach joined the NDP