Talk:Crystal Palace F.C. (1861)

message: There is no evidence for the current Palace club being the same as the original; see research by Stuart Hibberd, Mark Metcalf, Clive Nicholson, and Martin Westby, and the 30 year gap between the last 1861 match and the setting-up of the 1905 club. The article however seems to be under vandalism from Crystal Palace fans. In Vitrio (talk) 08:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 3 sources used that make claims of a link, so it is valid to mention it. Feel free to add a referenced statement that others reject the link. Spike 'em (talk) 09:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: All self-published sources though... In Vitrio (talk) 17:03, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The guardian link is not self-published, and there are plenty more media reports out there that report the claims. As mentioned, feel free to mention others dispute the claims. Spike 'em (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That would involve listing literally every single football book ever published between 1905 and 2020 that talks about a) the founding of the Palace or b) the original Palace. In Vitrio (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted your removal of sourced content again. Whatever you think of the claims, they do exist and the current club is making them. I do not support these claims, but it is wrong to remove them completely. Spike 'em (talk) 12:18, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

text: Look, I don't think the clubs are the same, but multiple media outlets have reported on the club claiming the 1861 foundation date. You may not like the content, but it is relevant to this article. Spike 'em (talk) 14:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And as to your edit summary claim that we don't report on claims made my Putin about Ukraine, how do you explain this then:. Spike 'em (talk) 14:47, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to current club

message: The cricket club seems to die circa 1860.  I cannot find any cricket matches from August 1860 to July 1864.  The Palace XI for their last 1860 match is:
Archer, Franks, Sutherland, Curtis, Hobson, Collingbourn, Farquhar, Howick, Syers, Quainey, Frost.   
There are two matches recorded in 1864 but no scorecards I can find.  The Standard of 27 April 1866 implies that a new cricket club has been founded by Frank Day.
The first Palace football teams do not have any of these names.  The earliest contemporary sources for football teams I can find has Palace as:
Allport, Bell, Cutbill, Cutbill, Day, Head, Jackson, Lloyd x3, Medwin, Phelps, Sharland, Turner, Unwick (v Forest School, Bell's Life 23 March 1862)
W.Allport, F.Bevington, W.Cutbill, E.Cutbill, F.Day, T.Jackson, T.Lloyd, H.Lloyd, H.Lloyd jun, W.Noakes, Sharland, J.Turner, T.Unwick, H.Wood, A.Wood (v Forest Club, Bell's Life 13 April 1862)
T.Lloyd, G.Dry, H.Cutbill, G.Cutbill, A.G.Barber, J.Turner, F.Allport, H.Head, W.Allport, D.Allport, F.Collins, G.Grose, W.Farquhar, T.Paine (v No Names, Bell's Life 19 April 1863)
The only names in common with the cricket club are Farquhar and Day - and Frank Day is surely reviving the cricket club out of the football club, not vice-versa.
So what is this source suggesting that the Palace football team had so many members in common with the cricket club?  In Vitrio (talk) 11:49, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to cricket club