Talk:Bow tie

message: Is it just me or do the two tying diagrams actually shew the same way of tying a bow tie? 129.12.234.51 12:59, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Diagrams

message: I could take some photos that Wikipedia:Requested pictures seems to ask for this. The bow shown on bare skin seems somewhat obscene as this is often portrayed as a part of the "uniform" of male strippers.
I must differ here.  The bow tie is NOT a type of uniform for "male strippers" but is the exclusive trade dress for CHIPPENDALES. In fact, the cuffs and bow tie is a registered trademark of CHIPPENDALES.  See U.S. Trademark Registration No. 2694613.  12.154.250.67 19:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Obcene? I am no stripper ;-). Hey, what do I care? I often do wikiwork without shirt, and I did this in less than 5 mins. :-). But what can I say if you take a better picture? Go ahead. ✏ Sverdrup 15:57, 11 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There I was with this imagined image of you completely naked except for the tie. You've shattered my daydream. theresa knott 16:06, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

text: Eric's penguin, that looks a great photo.  Mine is the one illustrating the types of ends available.  But I must point out that, in the interests of NPOV, we do cover the ready-tied bow tie.  Yes, I think it's a fake too, but as far as i can see, quite a few people would think of one of those if asked to picture a bow tie.  -- (triptogenetica)  (talkpage)  18:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a picture of a pretied bow tie.  It's a particularly vintage, velvety one, which doesn't do the pretied type as a whole any favours, but maybe some people like that sort of thing.  -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  00:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Example photograph

message: How much champagne would someone who wears a clip-on bow tie in the mess halls have to buy if found out? $100 worth? $500 worth? Or maybe $2000 worth? (I want the answer to this question to be in New Zealand dollars, please.) Scott Gall 06:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an official rule, so it depends on many things. For example, the regiment in question (cavalry regiments tend to be far more extravagant and flambouyant than, for example, REME), the seniority of the perpetrator (a young subbie with a clip-on at his first dinner night has fucked up far less than the adjutant doing same) and the mood and personality of those present at the time. In addition, the quantity of champagne varies in the British Army depending on whether one is in Britain or Germany, as the tax situation means alcohol is far cheaper in the latter. PeteVerdon 14:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  unfortunately, in the u.s. clip-ons and bandeds are probably in the majority. aarrrggghhh!Toyokuni3 (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that purchasing a proper bow tie and learning how to tie it would be a lot cheaper. Plus, single or not, the ladies will want to adjust it. The faux ties they ignore, except to quietly disapprove. htom (talk) 23:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bow ties for mess dress/undress

message: A citation for this is needed. I'm a bow tie wearer-and an architectural historian and never heard of this before.
:I would agree.  I'm a medical student, but that hasn't stopped me abandoning the necktie.  So I've looked around for one, and through various searches, i only found these to be of use:
:*Some thoughts on an architectural sociology page.  
:*An article about a bow tie collector, of clip-ons, who happens to be an architect.
:*The clincher for me, a page with photos of past winners of an architects' award, going back to  1979.  
:In the award-winning architects, most pictured have open shirts or neckties - the only bow tie I saw was at a black tie event.  To quote the article about the collector: "Dr Derham Groves, 47, of West Brunswick, is an architect. This should come as no surprise. Everyone knows architects love bow ties"; this suggests to me that this is some sort of meme, or folk-lore, but I'm unable to back it up.  And on the ArcSoc page, they provide suggestions, links to other info, but no hard evidence.  It does seem to be a quite widely held idea!
:So, I shall boldly edit the article - i had removed the architect reference entirely, but I'll put it back in as a popular idea/meme.  Hope that satisfies.  And while i'm at it, i'll purge the reference to it giving rise to the four in hand; if that's debated, and people think they may have both come directly from the cravat, Wiki shouldn't display it.  -- (triptogenetica)  (talkpage)  19:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architects Uniform(?) 

message: I've moved these red non-linked names to the talk page to make it easy once there are at least stub articles to put them back on the page. I don't have the time to determine if they are notable persons, but if someone is so interested they are here: Martin Ebner, Siegfried Bracke, Jason Nicholson, Jason Nicholson, Risto Penttinen, Lauri Rauramo, Matti Sillanpää. Doc 20:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed red non-linked names

message: I think we need a policy on external links, as many of them on Wikipedia seem to be duplicating the same info, in order to increase their Google PageRank if nothing else.  So, I've begun by deleting this one, which was not very helpful, and aimed to promote a commercial DVD that would teach you to tie.  The others are all helpful, i think, but be vigilant! -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  18:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Doesn't the list of people "known for" their bow ties just read like a big list of everyone who's ever worn one, rather than people for whom it is a recognizable sartorial marker?  Tucker Carlson: known for bow ties (and, if I may be a bit NPOV, for being a dick).  Alfred Kinsey: just a guy who wore a bow tie.  Bill Nye: known for it.  Stan Laurel: just a guy with a bow tie (even if Hardy did wear a necktie, I'd say there are other things Laurel is known for).  Etc.
:I'd agree - And I think it needs to be smaller, so the first policy should be - no redlinked names.  People sometimes find it amusing to put their name in amongst the valid members of lists, and it can be a difficult type of vandalism to deal with.  This is pretty widely accepted as a name list policy.  
:(Please note that, contrary to some people's thinking, it isn't customary to create a page just because a redlink exists to it.  There are a few editors who try to make red into blue wherever they can, and that's great, but we shouldn't let a redlink sway us in the slightest when deciding if a redlinked article would be encyclopaedic).
:Other than that, perhaps a marked shortening of the list without images, and removal of faces from the table if "wears a bow tie" wouldn't appear on a Family Fortunes (UK) or Family Feud (US) board of notable facts about that person.  That would seem sensible to me.  -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  17:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Known for"

message: These are both important as separate sections, IMO. The links to pages with directions on way to tie a bow are useful. Doc ♬ talk 14:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References & external links

message: Would someone mind assigning the classifications within the photo caption to a specific tie (with left/right associations)?  Thanx. DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 22:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I've always wondered why they were called "batwing", as it's not obvious. Perhaps there was an earlier version, now lost, that was of constant width, but that still doesn't make these look like batwings. htom 04:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  they are not correctly called 'batwing', but simply 'bat'. this comes from the shape resembling a cricket bat, or actually a pair of cricket bats,handle end to handle end. if you can't imagine a cricket bat, think of a fraternity paddle. same shape.Toyokuni3 (talk) 21:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Makes much more sense. Now I wonder where the ...wing was added? There are batwing sails, but those don't look like the bow ties. htom (talk) 21:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  there are also 'batwing' brasses, drawer pulls for queen anne and chippendale furniture. when my son was 8, i happened to mention these in conversation with his mother. typical 8 year old boy, he was very anxious to see the bat wings.Toyokuni3 (talk) 23:27, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  thistle/bat wing 

message: Saw one at Sak's 5th Ave the other day. Comes in two separate parts, a "tie" and a "band". The tie part is like this: |><|><|><| ; the band is straight, of the same fabric, and about 3/4" wide. I presume it's tied by folding the tie part on itself twice, tying the band around it, adjusting the knot, and then fastening the band around your neck like it was a pre-tied bow tie. Weird. htom 22:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New kind of bow tie 

message: Can anyone tell me why a bow tie is known as a dicky bow?  I'm sure there's a perfectly obvious reason, but have no idea what it is!!!  Thanks
84.71.108.16 (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dicky bow 

message: don't we need to at least mention that only a total philistine would wear either of the above. really! ;-)Toyokuni3 (talk) 21:09, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Banded and clip-ons

message: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123924141044503821.html -- Bow Ties are coming back !  ?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123924074857303763.html -- How the Hip knot and style a bow tie.
htom (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WSJ articles/opinions 16 Apr 09 

message: ...by the anonymous Daily Telegraph reporter who penned this article.  See the eighth, ninth and tenth paragraphs in particular.  It's not enough to call it plagiarism, but it's enough to be amusing. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article appears to have been used as a source... 

message: i have removed the statement that suggests that bowties are primarily an item of formal wear. it simply isn't so. moreover, a suit is not formal attire, a term which has a fairly specific meaning, including evening wear and such things as morning coats, strollers, etc., although with the latter two, you don't wear a bow tie. a suit, on the other hand, is more properly and completely referred to as a business suit. moreover, there is certainly a body of thought to the effect that a suit is the least appropriate occasion for a bow tie.formal wear? of course. sport coat? certainly. suit? maybe.
also, is 'dickie bow' a british term? i have worn bow ties in the u.s and canada for nigh on 40 years, and have never heard the term used. not saying that invalidates it, mind, just curious.Toyokuni3 (talk) 05:32, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wear bow ties with suits, but not bolo ties (which I will wear with a sport coat.) 'Dickie Bow' I have not heard, either, or not frequently enough that it's made an impression on me. htom (talk) 03:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Formal attire

message: To improve the "current" section, this WSJ article, A Return to Tying the Knot: Bow Ties Are Finding Favor as Day-Wear Accoutrements With a Younger Generation by William Lyons, 2011-07-22, may be of interest. Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current popularity of bow-ties (WSJ article) 

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message: I am a Prof and a bow-wearer of long standing, and came here to have a look at what this fine lot of stylish editors had pulled together.  I have made only one edit, and ask it checked—clarification of the intended contrast between a return to style of real bt's, versus negative perceptions of the pre-tied, etc. Also, please note that the bt vs b_t matter is still alive and well (because of Wikipedia spell correction?!)—see, in that same paragraph, "opinions of bow tie wearers are mixed. He observed that bowties…"   With regard, LeProf Leprof 7272 (talk) 04:28, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Please examine last edit here by the undersigned editor

message: I should be grateful if some contributor with more authority than my poor self could add some reference to the Lavallière - some inspiration may be found with our French colleagues: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavalli%C3%A8re
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thread_title:  Lavallière 

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message: Even though this page displays Colonel Sanders wearing a "string tie," it seems this page doesn't cover that type at all. It's apparently also referred to as a "string bowtie", a "colonel bowtie", and a "Western bowtie." No, I don't know enough about the subject to add in information about it, I just noticed it wasn't mentioned. --UltimateKuriboh (talk) 02:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  String tie