Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Warhammer 40,000/Archive 4

message: A proposed fair use rationale for most of the Chapter (etc) logos we're using:
:== Fair use for CHAPTER NAME ==
:This image, CHAPTER NAME.jpg, is being linked here; though the picture is subject to copyright I (~~~) feel it is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
:# it is the official logo of the organization
:# it is a low-resolution image and cannot be used to make illegal reproductions of Games Workshop material
:# it does not affect the ability of Games Workshop to market their products in any way.
If that sounds reasonable to everybody, I'll add it onto the chapter logo pages sometime when I have slightly more free time than I have now... Cheers --Pak21 12:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All done, except :Image:RavenGuard.gif and :Image:Tauseal.jpg which had no source information and are now tagged as such. Cheers --Pak21 09:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rationale for chapter logos etc 

message: I've noticed that in a number of the Star Wars articles (such as Galactic Empire (Star Wars)), user-made vector images of the various faction logos are used. Rather then using some of the blurry, second-hand images for logos in our articles, would someone be willing to make clean, crisp versions for us? --Paul Soth 17:27, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fairly skilled with FreeHand and would be happy to help out in this regard Schoon 20:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Vector Logos? 

message: (The discussion was originally Here. The discussion has changed and was edited based on a wiki rule and given explanation below. If you want to see it, its still in the history, but is no longer necessary. SanchiTachi 22:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Moved Survey Discussion

message: Can we start including, at the end, of any character entry in the Army Pages a note if there was a model released (what year/years if they updated the model) and what rule books (all that include the model) where the character can be found. If the character is from a book, please note the books (or the series of books if it is only a summary page and note all of the books on the larger entry page). I'm going to go through a few when I can. I believe it will help distinguish between what characters are what/from what. SanchiTachi 04:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's a good idea. This isn't a 40K-wiki. Things like listing every special character, sources for rules, dates of miniatures, etc., shouldn't be on what you call the Army Pages, in my opinion. I think this might be an idea for the character's own page, when describing that character's real world development in the game. This also goes for, for example, listing biomorphs from Codex: Tyranids; this encyclopaedia is not here to list a book's contents. We should not be providing detailed information for people who want to know what a book says without reading it themselves. We're not a gaming resource. Apologies for going off your original topic slightly. - Heavens To Betsy 10:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, by not putting in the above information then you are not showing why the character is notable or giving the appropriate real world details which is required in Wiki Fantasy Pages. You should be putting in where the book is from. I only put the above as a reminder, not as a suggestion. Biomorphs are noteworthy, since they not only been in three codexes and dozens of White Dwarfs, but also used in many books. SanchiTachi 16:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Personally, character entries should include models released not at the end, but integrated into the main text. If we're to approach this from an out-of-universe perspective, we don't really care if Abaddon was Horus' second-in command-turned-warmaster-black crusader-whatever. What we want to focus on is that he's a special character for a particular army, and a metal miniature for him was released in xxxx, designed by xxx, etc. Just an example. Shrumster 07:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, we have to realize that many of the characters also have books or storylines around them, which would need to be added (see the above quote about how to dance around the Out of Universe and talking about Fantasy). As long as we minimalize it (one paragraph for an army entry, maybe three or four in their bigger grouping, i.e. the page on the novel) and make blatant that the character is in this book and that book, or that there is this model or that model, then you effectively removed it. In Universe is a phenomena created as a whole when the section lacks any of this. Putting 1 Out of Universe line per every "in" line allows you to effectively remove In Universe. We just have to make it unmistakable that the characters are from a game/book/etc. SanchiTachi 15:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Characters

message: Someone needs to update the Chaos Space Marines to standards of the other armies of Warhammer 40,000. It can't be me, because I know almost jack squat. Just wanted to bring this to special attention. Colonel Marksman 00:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements to Chaos

message: You may be interested in helping resolve a dispute on List of Warhammer 40,000 graphic novels, namely "What should this article be titled?".  It was originally created at Graphic Novels (Warhammer 40,000), which was felt by some to be not appropriate, and it should be Warhammer 40,000 (comics) or similar.  The discussion is hot and heavy, and I do appologize for that, but I think it's of interest to this project. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted to add that the above is a representative from the comics wikiproject, who wishes to adopt it as part of their grouping. SanchiTachi 21:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't wish to 'adopt' it to 'my' grouping, I think that as a comic AND a game, it deserves representation of both projects. :) I believe in working together to make a better, more consistent, set of articles regardless of the project. But. Yes. I am in the comics proj, I do think the name would be better served as Warhammer 40,000 (comics), and I feel both our projects can work together in harmony. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 20:18, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The title Comics is misleading, because the page does not emphasize comics. Miniatures would be just as necessary to describe the topic if you follow the way you suggest. SanchiTachi 21:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi, I'm trying to move things forward to come to a solution which would allow the entry to be reopened  and your input and ideas are important to finding an answer that is workable. (Emperor 13:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming Dispute 

message: Hey, I'm not sure where to ask this but I'll place it here since you guys probably know the most about 40k goings-on on wikipedia. But I'm sure there used to be a set of articles for the Ravenor and Eisenhorn trilogys with the plot details and characters? I can't seem to find them, or their deletion log and they don't seem to have been merged into the relevant articles.
Just wondering because I got Ravenor Rogue a few weeks ago, and haven't started reading it because I can't remember exactly what happened in Ravenor Returned. ≈ Maurauth (nemesis) 09:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The entries you are looking for are Gregor Eisenhorn and Gideon Ravenor. The author's page links through to them if you need to track them down again: Dan Abnett#Warhammer. (Emperor 13:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BL Type Stuff