Talk:Hexatonic scale

message: The Blues Scale section of this article needs clarification
In particular the talk of the 'flatted fifth's note seems to be in conflict with the Wiki entry for Blues Notes.  Also talk of derivation from the major or minor pentatonic scale in both entries needs to be fixed.
Blues Scale:
"...but the scale most commonly called "the blues scale" comprises a flatted seventh blues note, a flatted third blues note, a flatted fifth blues note, and the flatted fifth's note of upward resolution along with other pitches derived from the minor pentatonic scale, C Eb F F# G Bb C."
Blues Notes:
"The flattened fifth is not a "true" blue note-- as we notice the blues scale in any key can be derived from a major pentatonic scale one minor third up. This excludes the flatted fifth. These blue notes are what turns a major scale into the blues scale."
ME
:One wikipedia article cannot be a valid source for another wikipedia article, nor can a wikipedia article's inconsistency with another wikipedia article be (in and of itself) a valid objection to a wikipedia article. As it happens, the wikipedia article you cite ("Blues notes") errs--assuming you have quoted it accurately.  TheScotch 19:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, I don't know why on earth you'd use "-" and "+" for flat and sharp accidentals when you could just type "b" or "#", never mind the fact that "-" and "+" mean other things in music theory (e.g. "C-7" chord, "G+" chord).  Regardless, no, "C Eb F G Bb C" is the Minor Pentatonic scale, not the Blues scale.  Scales aren't defined by what music you play them over.  The ii-V-I and I-IV-V cadences are irrelevant here.  Every musician I've played with and every printed book I've ever seen on scales defines "The Blues Scale" as a very particular 6-note scale.  Namely a minor pentatonic with an added b5 (or #4; take your pick).  In the key of C, this would be C Eb F Gb G Bb C.  The blues scale is a very particular 6-note scale, and it would be ridiculous to NOT include it on a page about hexatonic scales.  As for "C D Eb F G A Bb C", yes that's a mode of the major scale and it's called the dorian mode, though I have never, EVER heard anybody call the dorian mode some sort of "blues scale"! As a harmonica player I do make use of it in minor blues songs (relative dorian is much easier to work with than relative aeolian/minor), but again it's an entirely different scale from "The Blues Scale".  WillieBlues (talk) 17:30, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Blues notes

message: Re: "The corresponding major Blues scale is Eb F Gb G Bb C or, transposing back to C, C D Eb E G A.:
This usage is very circumscribed and idiosyncratic, as well as logically dubious: The oscillation between the minor and major third makes it a very minor-ish sort of "major".TheScotch (talk) 08:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Major" blues scale

message: Re: "(Latin: Hexa = 6)":
I've removed this interpolation for several reasons:
1) The term hexatonic derives from Greek, not Latin.
2) Even so, hexa is a combining form; hex is the Greek word for six.
3) Small numbers should be spelled out. (Six, not 6.)
4) Encyclopedia entries should use full sentences, not cryptic shorthand.
Notice that our names for chords and pitch sets by cardinality derive from Greek, whereas our names for the intervallic content of chords derive from Latin: We speak of "tertian chords", "quartal chords", and so on. Since this is a distinction worth preserving, it might be a good idea to point this out in some wikipedia article, but I'm not convinced that this particular article is the proper place. TheScotch 08:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: Why is this the name of the article when it is  much more well known as the blues scale.--74.138.83.10 (talk) 00:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A hexatonic scale is any six-note scale. One six-note scale in particular is "known as the blues scale". As the article points out, others (different six-note scales) are known as the augmented scale, the whole-tone scale, and the Prometheus scale. Others still, known by different names, known but not named, or not very "well known", the article does not mention. TheScotch (talk) 08:07, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Neither the Grove Dictionary of Music nor the Grove Dictionary of Jazz has an article devoted to "the blues scale", but the Grove Dictionary of Jazz does include this statement: "The blues scale in jazz  [is] in essence merely the diatonic scale to which inflected third, fifth, and seventh degrees may be added to impart a blues flavor (ex.2)." Its "ex. 2" shows a C major scale (C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C) in whole-notes with three parenthetical sets of pitches with smaller filled-in note-heads separated by diagonal lines (presumably to suggest portamento) interpolated: (D D# E), (F F# G), and (A A# B). The clear implication here is that "the blues scale" is actually a large set of possible combinations of diatonic notes, blue notes, microtonal inflections, and portamento effects. TheScotch (talk) 07:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hexatonic Scale? 

message: No mention of Scottish scales? Traditional Scottish music makes frequent use of hexatonic scales (or "gapped scales"), particularly the Major/Mixolydian and Dorian/Minor hexatonics. There is a good website about it here: http://www.campin.me.uk/Music/Modes/
It's worth a section anyway. 93.97.20.228 (talk) 15:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "me.uk" domain is for personal websites. This wouldn't be considered a scholarly source for such material. Are there better sources?  Does Grove have anything? Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The naming convention apparently comes from Campbell & Collinson - "Hebridean Folksongs", which might have some further details. It seems these scales have never had any official names, and the convention is to name them by what diatonic scales they could be made into (for instance, the Major/Mixolydian hexatonic is either scale with the 7th degree removed). I've no idea if it's in Grove. 93.97.20.228 (talk) 05:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Hexatonics?