Talk:Emmylou Harris

message: That section is huge.  Can someone who knows more about her work trim that, or is it possibly better to remove it entirely? --badlydrawnjeff talk 13:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone recently alphabetized it, which makes it a little less cumbersome. Trimming doesn't seem possible because any deletions would have to be more or less arbitrary. It is not yet complete, of course; Ms. Harris's collaborations are many. Unless you think it's unencyclopedic or something, I'd suggest leaving it. Rivertorch 15:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a new article, like, "Emmylou Harris discography," might be of use?  This is way too much for this article as it stands, I think. --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I've been looking at the articles for some other singer-songwriters. The Emmylou Harris article's body is relatively short in comparison to its discography, so maybe it seems a little unbalanced. I'm sure the body could be expanded. As for the discography section itself, it's actually quite short compared to those of certain other articles. I have no objection to its being moved to a separate page, but I wonder if you could specify more exactly why you think that's desirable? Also, just for context, check out pages for Leonard_Cohen, Willie_Nelson, Merle_Haggard, and Linda_Ronstadt . . . and then Bob_Dylan. Is the Dylan method preferable, do you think? Keeping in mind, of course, that the whole Wikipedia should reflect the way we do it here . . . Rivertorch 23:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if there's a written standard on this, but I think in situtions like this, Willie Nelson, etc, that the Bob Dylan method is much more preferable.  Especially since we know there's plenty of room for expansion here, it's a logical move. --badlydrawnjeff talk 04:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Would a separate discography list be a bad thing? The move might encourage further development of both the biographical article and her massive discography (which could use the Dylan listing as a model). — WiseKwai 10:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmmm, I just noticed this after adding some collaborations/duets.  My view is: her collaborations are a part of her career and deserve encyclopedic coverage.  Where they live strikes me as a formatting issue.  Of course she's been so darn prolific as to make a six degrees of Emmylou game feasible and I can see the need to eventually break them out another article.  The idea of removing them entirely makes me sad.  I'll help, but I'm still pretty much a newbie and buried in the Songbirds article. Rubioblanca 04:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't it make for a smoother transition (read less angst for me) if the Discography article was in place before the data disappeared from the main article?  Is there a burning reason to do this now? Rubioblanca 05:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Good start! I went ahead and split the discography content out and added a main article link and also changed the template links to point to the new list. The chart coding is commented out for the time being until somebody (not me) wants to fill in the charts. I'd suggest that further talk about the discography development take place at Talk:Emmylou Harris discography. — WiseKwai 16:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! Thanks to you both. I'm looking forward to adding to the new page. Re contribution column: I agree in theory about noting "substantial" appearances, but in practice where to draw the line? It's quite subjective. Better to ditch it. Rivertorch 17:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other appearances 

message: I have placed merger tags, proposing that The Hot Band article be merged into the section, Emmylou Harris#The Reprise Years. Please discuss the proposal below. Thanks. — WiseKwai 19:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Looking at the history of this page and Hot Band, I think there may be some confusion. The Hot Band was merged into "Emmylou" in October (it is now a disamb page). But Hot Band was then created anew in November. This latter was proposed for speedy deletion, but Leah said she wanted time to work on it. So, Leah, do you still wish to expand Hot Band or do you agree to another merge-in?  Hult041956 (talk) 20:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge again?

message: Rather than moving this additional info to the logical place in the article, I am reverting it. By my count, in 2004 Emmylou collaborated on seven other artists' songs besides the one on The Revolution Starts Now. In the absence of evidence that this collaboration was particularly noteworthy, it seems inappropriate to single it out in the article proper. It is, of course, in the new and wonderful discography. Rivertorch 06:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 Nov. edits (Steve Earle) 

message: :::(Supplied a section header only.  Hult041956 (talk ) 20:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it was an official release, the place to note it is Emmylou_Harris_discography#Video_and_film. Rivertorch (talk) 19:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Emmylou & Arlo video

message: An anonymous editor added Bob Dylan's Desire album to the "Collaborations" section of Template:Emmylou Harris:
23:10, 9 July 2008 84.148.76.189 (Talk) (2,581 bytes) (ROHA: Added a very important collaboration: with Bob Dylan on his album "Desire", on which Harris backs on most of the songs.)
Although Ms. Harris' background and duet vocals are prominent on Desire, her contributions do not rise to the level of a collaboration. Desire is not a "Bob Dylan and Emmylou Harris" album; it is a Bob Dylan album.
I would have edited the template, but the change occurred five weeks ago; I'll therefore solicit comments first.
GrouchyDan (talk) 03:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it's not a collaboration in the sense we're using the term here. While you're at it, please check out Collaborations on the discography page and see what you think about the Carl Jackson entries. Rabid fan that I am, I've never gotten around to those, so I don't know if they qualify. Rivertorch (talk) 04:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree too.  If you were to make a template with every duet & harmony by Harris you'd have a really big template. -MrFizyx (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Emmylou Harris 

message: The second paragraph (and perhaps the remainder) of the Emmylou Harris: Biography: With Gram Parsons subsection is excellently intended but horrendously written, in my humble opinion. This part of the article used to be unremarkable (a good thing), I thought.
I've come across many Wikipedia articles with fancy, highlit, shouting messages either at an article's top or in an article's subsection that scream to the world "What you're about to read is defective because of A; you can fix it by doing B" et cetera.
I've never tried to figure out how to paste one of those admonitory billboards into an article; I won't because of this issue; I'll just labor to author a fitting replacement to the relevant part of the article.
Unless someone else beats me to the punch or dissuades me. (Do YOU think the article section is critically flawed?)
GrouchyDan (talk) 02:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emmylou Harris Biography/With Gram Parsons: horrendously written 

message: The very first line of the article says that she's a country artist. Obviously, this isn't wrong. But in two senses it is misleading.
For one thing the core audience for Nashville top-forty country is not that enthusiastic about Emmylou being a country artist. Opinion is divided and some commentators are quite definite about this. Certainly she has been succesful on the country charts and every country artist that I have ever heard praises her and wants to record with her. There is a significant sector of country fandom that rejects anyone whose work isn't one hundred percent country, narrowly defined, almost all the time. This leads to my second, and much more serious, objection to the label 'country' for Emmylou.
Ms. Harris has been succesful in almost every sub-genre of popular music except metal and rap/hip-hop. Her musical horizons are limitless. She started out as a folk musician and has done many songs that were rock or pop. That she adds a country "flavor" to these songs is indisputable but she does a lot more than country. Her performance of songs by Neil Young and Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen, among others, is one of the reasons that Nashville top-forty fans deny her a country status. More importantly, they show her to be more than a country singer. She is beyond genre, a perfect angel. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything you say is true, and calling her a country singer in the lead sentence runs the risk of overemphasizing her commercial success at the expense of her overall artistry. The policy on verifiability, however, suggests we should go with the way that she's usually described by reliable sources. Unfortunately, I suspect that may be "country", but it would be helpful if you could provide evidence to the contrary. Rivertorch (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country?? 

message: I made the following changes to the "associated acts" portion of the infobox:
* removed Spyboy and Nash Ramblers because they were (among) Harris's backing bands and not acts with their own identity apart from hers;
* added several artists with an extensive history of collaboration with Harris (both on her records and on theirs);
* added several artists whose duets with Harris resulted in hit singles;
* did not remove any other artists, even though this list cannot possibly be comprehensive and there are probably some one-off faves there inserted by various editors;
* alphabetized the list (including even Gram Parsons) for simplicity's sake and to make it easier to maintain.
I also changed the artists mentioned in the lead paragraph, placing them in descending order based on the number of entire albums and the number of recorded songs they've collaborated on with Harris. (This was a rough count; I may have erred.) Without a doubt, there are notable artists that were removed in this edit, but (1) they're now in the infobox and (2) given the number of artists Harris has worked with, there really needs to be a cutoff or it just gets bloated. It was my hope to do this rationally, with a quantitative methodology, but I may have missed something on the qualitative side. Rivertorch (talk) 09:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists mentioned in infobox and lede 

message: Reading the section on Gram Parsons and Harris, I was amazed at how biased the phrasing was and I also noticed that there were no citations in this section. Can't any of this be backed up? Most curious is how the author seems to know what Harris is feeling. How is that possible? Perhaps she expressed herself somewhere in an interview? There are too many points here that scream for verification. According to the Wikipedia's assessment standards, this article shouldn't be a B-rated article. (This has nothing to do with my views about Harris or Parsons. I am just an average reader who was perusing it for pleasure while listening to her music.)Crtew (talk) 14:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased 

message: I realize that the list of collaborators at the beginning of the article was not intended to be a "laundry list", but she played a pretty significant role in I'm Wide Awake It's Morning and I think it deserves a nod in this list.
Why, exactly, does the inclusion of Bright Eyes always get yanked?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.207.209 (talk) 07:08, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The link Bright Eyes goes nowhere, so I will assume you are refering to Bright Eyes (band). The problem will be that if we include BE we have to include the next collaborator, and then other, and then other. We can't include every collaboration she has had in her 42-year musical career, just the notable ones, why the work they did is as notbale as Dolly Parton or Linda Ronstadt?. Tbhotch.™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 07:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear, hear. She is one of the most prolific musical collaborators around, and it makes things unmanageable if we don't be strict about this. I had a rationale in my head when I wrote the commented-out note and trimmed the list way back when—can't really remember exactly now, and am too full of pre-holiday cheer to bother much, but it seemed to me that at a bare minimum inclusion should require at least one of the following: (1) single that charted; (2) co-billing on an album; (3) appearance on multiple tracks on at least two albums; (4) multiple songwriting collaborations. Maybe we should codify this into an FAQ or something in the not-too-distant future. Rivertorch (talk) 20:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Another criterion that probably would suffice would be people who are past members of one of her bands and are über-notable in their own right (e.g., Rodney Crowell). In any event, the list looks too long for me now. Rivertorch (talk) 20:49, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  work with Bright Eyes 

message: Emmylou Harris also did back up vocals with the Australian Band Midnight Oil on their 1996/7 Breathe album.Cambo70 (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, but I trust you don't want that in the article. The artists with whom she has sung backup number in the three digits. Rivertorch (talk) 17:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated Acts 

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message: Hello, Thanks to whoever put together the list of Grammy nominations and wins. I don't want to mess up that nice chart, so I'll ask someone who's more adept at editing cells to add the following seven Grammy nominations. There may be others, but I was able to locate these.
*1977, Pop Female Vocal Performance, Here, There and Everywhere - *1988, Album of the Year, Trio (with Dolly Parton and Linda Ronstadt) - *1999, Contemporary Folk Album, Spyboy -  *2001, Contemporary Folk Album, Western Wall: The Tuscon Sessions (with Linda Ronstadt) - *2004, Contemporary Folk Album, Stumble Into Grace - *2007, Contemporary Folk Album, All The Roadrunning (with Mark Knopfler) - *2008, Contemporary Folk Album, All I Intended To Be - Also, please correct dates: 1984 nomination for Last Date is correct, but win for In My Dreams was 1985 http://www.awardsandshows.com/features/grammy-awards-1985-233.html.
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