Talk:Rudi Dutschke

message: I am having a hard time translating this quote, Dutschke's diary entry from Easter 1963, from the German version of this article.  Perhaps someone can help with the second sentence:
"Jesus ist auferstanden, Freude und Dankbarkeit sind die Begleiter dieses Tages; die Revolution, die entscheidende Revolution der Weltgeschichte ist geschehen, die Revolution der Welt durch die alles überwindende Liebe. Nähmen die Menschen voll die offenbarte Liebe im Für-sich-Sein an, die Wirklichkeit des Jetzt, die Logik des Wahnsinns könnte nicht mehr weiterbestehen"
--Erauch 04:57, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Even later: A better translation - even if not quite idiomatic - might be: "if people accepted fully the manifested love for its own sake, the current reality (and) the logic of madness could not exist anymore." --84.180.172.33 (talk) 22:33, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation issue

message: "...a young unskilled worker who was influenced by the massive propaganda campaign of the mass media owned by Axel Springer..." - 
I agree with the content, but it sounds a lot like POV to me - where's the proof, references that this was the case? (clem 07:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found an article in The Nation, which corroborates this. The evidence presented at the trial of Josef Bachmann also tends to corroborate the allegation. However, I've not named Bachmann in the article. I've also stated that this was a widespread belief among radical students and that it led to street-fighting in many German cities, which I think is relevant information, since it shows how important people considered Dutschke to be. --Mia-etol (talk) 23:34, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination and "culprit" 

message: Being Rudi Dutschke's wife I have his birth certificate and thus his birth name, Alfred Willi Rudi Dutschke.  His name was never Rudolf.
At the trial against Joseph Bachmann, the main argument of the lawyer Horst Mahler was that it was not so much Bachmann, but rather the Springer Press that was guilty in the assasination.  I do not have the documents from that trial, but they must be available for anyone interested in that question.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by GretchenD (talk • contribs) 7 May 2006  (UTC)
:Is there a way that you could make this information verifiable for us by providing a source we can access? The German article also has "Rudolf". Kusma (討論) 00:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rudi Dutschke's name;  role of Springer Press in assassination 

message: I have deleted references to Dutschke's role in the founding of the Green Party.  There is only one short paragraph to support the claim, and it is nonsensical.
"Rudi Dutschke recovered almost sufficiently [sic] to play an essential role in the 1980 formation of the Green Party of Germany by convincing the former student protesters (including Joschka Fischer) to join the Green movement. As a result in October, 1979 the Greens were able to reach the 5% limit required to obtain parliamentary seats in the Bremen provincial election."
This passage has the Greens winning seats (1979) before it was formed (1980).  
"...recovered almost sufficiently to play an esential role"?  "Almost sufficiently " means that he did not recover sufficiently.  
Also, there is no citation for the assertion that Dutschke "convinced" student protesters.  The way it is written this passage does not at all support the assertion made at the top, that Dutschke "was one of the founding members of the Green Party of Germany."
If one wishes to re-assert Dutschke role as a "founder" of the Green Party, please provide valid support:  get the dates straight and cite sources.
Additionally, the article contains unsourced POV, which has been marked by citation tags.  This is an article, not a eulogy. 
— J M Rice 19:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed nonsensical passage, added tags 

message: This was one of the most interesting proposals of the SDS under Dutschke.  German professors have been notoriously domineering in the classroom-- or more often lecture hall, and were accused by progressive students of pushing a "wertfreie Wissenschaft" -- valuefree technology, i.e. dry didactic information or skills useful to a corporate employer, without concern for social justice (let alone the environment, the Greens addressed that later).
Dutschke's organization set up a network of students who formed alternate teaching groups, generally located in a nearby apartment, where students from a certain lecture course could meet, review and criticize the teaching of the professor.   
The demented assassin in April 1968 apparently got the job done, for after brief student rallies (surrounding the brown glass Springer skyscraper poised at the Wall like a crusader or chesspiece ready to spring into the east), intimidation gradually set in and the "kritische Universität" idea faded away.Tokerdesigner (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Kritische Universitãt"

message: Every time I've come across the name 'Rudi Dutsche' I've also come across some references to the newspapers owned by Springer. While I can see on this discussion page that there are different views on whether or not they actually contributed to the assault on Rudi, there seems to be strong public opions on the matter. This article should include some of the things that have been said on the springer-dutsche relationship, and of course both sides (atticles, books, whatever). Not including any information on the subject whatsoever is just confusing. Anyone, preferably german, who feel up to the task of assembling some balanced information on the matter?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.235.0.157 (talk) 10:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rudi and the Springer presse