Talk:Adultism

message: This article is filled with citations that can are verifiable; I propose to remove its NPOV tag. Freechild 14:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Phrased like that, I would agree with you. I'll point out, though, that there's significant controversy surrounding its treatment and classification as a disease. CameoAppearance orate 12:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Call to Remove NPOV Tag

message: I have issue with the statement, "Adultism is ostensibly caused by fear of children and youth.[1]"
:Nope. I'd have to include that, while a "feature" it is not the "cause." I'm a practicing "adultist" and I DON'T LIKE children and youth. I certainly don't fear the loud, noisy, little attention-seeking bastards. In the colloquial sense, of course.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.10.49 (talk) 20:18, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Perhaps some explanation of how "Adultism" is present in the given phrases would be appropriate.  It appears as though Adultism is made to be a negative behavior; yet some of these phrases appear (to me) to be perfectly acceptable.
:Hopefully, some of this is addressed a little better in the latest edit. Aaronwinborn 02:35, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this is a real term and a real topic -- even if the concept is highly debatable. BCorr|Брайен 11:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: General Conversation

message: _ _ It seems implausible & in any case unverifiable to attribute the term to a presumably amorphous "grassroots" co-counseling  while avoiding reference to hierarchical orgs: Re-evaluation Counseling(IIRC) coiners of "co-counseling", & its presumed service-mark-claimants, Co-Counselling International.
_ _ It is also a distortion to talk as if whoever coined the term is responsible for the subject of this article, which is the concept the article creator chose to refer to by this term.  The chances are excellent that Adultism should be a redirect to another article, after this one is merged into it.  Determining what that article is should be on the agenda here until there is a consensus that there is no suitable article already in existence.--Jerzy•t 14:04, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Co-counseling" 

message: As much as I am anti-adultist, I don't think that the adult side of the situation seems to be represented enough. This article is very comprehensive to how adultist views can be dismissed, I haven't found an "adultist rebuttal" in the article. Once I see one, I will re-evaluate my opinion. —MESSEDROCKER (talk) 17:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the same token, I think you'll find that the Racism article doesn't give the same amount of time to racists as it gives to anti-racists. This is in accordance with Wikipedia's NPOV policy; specifically, "articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views".  I agree that the article isn't complete, but I think that NPOV tag should be removed, noting the difference between bias and incompleteness. » K i G O E | talk 16:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: And it's clearly missing proper citations for the assertions and written in a horribly informal tone. Bayerischermann 20:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me that the adult viewpoint is the majority viewpoint, not the minority. I would think there are many more people in the world who believe children lack some of the rights adults enjoy than believe the opposite. Applejuicefool 19:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is going to remain disputed as adultism seems to be a generally accepted practise, and adressing it as a form of discrimination is going to upset a large number of people. Many things considered normal are called biased when the facts are given. Adressing the facts about racism one hundred years ago would most likely be called biased in favour of the minorities. That is what seems to be occuring now. It will probably remain disputed for a while to come. Faranya 02:10, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have thought that "adultism" would mean the hatred of adults by teens. Shouldn't the word be "teenism"? --Charlene 06:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that it was intended to be formed along the same lines as racism and sexism and the like, "adultism" would actually mean "discrimination against one particular type/subset of adults" (and "teenism" the same, only discrimination against a subset of teenagers instead). Ageism would appear to be the correct term in that case, but it usually refers to prejudice/discrimination against the elderly. CameoAppearance orate 01:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "adultism" is premised on a similar structure as heterosexism; namely, adultism is a predisposition towards adults, which some see as biased against children, youth, and all young people who aren't addressed or viewed as adults.  User:Freechild 19:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that ageism is the more appropriate term, but Wikipedia isn't the place to have that discussion.  Wikipedia only needs to know whether the term adultism exists (it does) and what it means (which the article states accurately).  The article is properly sourced and is accurate, there is no cause for a bias tag.  If you have a problem with people advancing the notion of adultism then complain to the people advancing it, don't flag an article explaining that phenomena.  KPalicz 16:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike the facetious alternate term presented above, namely "teenism," the term adultism was not made up today. Instead there is an authentic etymological history and popular usage that extends far beyond one person's imagination. More so, the term ageism is inherently adultist, as those who proclaim it's supercession of the term adultism are clearly deny the necessity of identifying adultism as a legitimate oppression. User:Freechild 04:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not denying its legitimacy (I've been a victim of adultism myself) as a type of oppression. I simply believe that "ageism" would be the better term, etymologically speaking, on parallel with sexism and racism, because what we know as adultism (as well as the discrimination against senior citizens that "ageism" is currently applied to) consists, like sexism and racism, of the oppression of and/or discrimination against one group by another, dominant, group. However, ageism is already taken as a descriptive term, so adultism (similar to the word heterosexism - although that was coined because "sexual-orientationism" or somesuch is awkward and clunky to say) fills that void. CameoAppearance orate 22:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is important to acknowledge that the use of ageism is already appropriately taken, as it describes discrimination related to any age. If I was in the position to choose the word, I would probably go with youthism, or teenism, just like I think the fruit referred to as a cherry would be better addressed as a carmine. However, the simple fact of the matter is that there is an etymological history to adultism that starts at least 30 years ago, and seriously debating re-titling the term would be roughly equivalent to teaching a 3-year-old to enjoy carmines. Freechild 00:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems biased 

message: Is it just my computer, or has this article disappeared? I'm getting a "This article doesn't exsist..." page when it's entered or searched for. The discussion and history pages are still there, but no article. I'm not exactly a wikipedia expert, so I don't know.
Cheers, My baloney 11:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disappeared? 

message: I had to remove some vandalism in the first paragraph, which read: "Those with the common sense of a hamster often do not view adultism as a negative; many 10-year olds are in fact unsuited to fly fighter jets." Purple Is Pretty 00:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I agree with that phrase. Punkymonkey987 (talk) 07:59, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, unless you have been published in a reliable source, sharing your opinion here is the same as vandalism and directly violates the request inside the talkheader at the top of this page, which clearly states that, "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Adultism article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject." Please keep your opinions to yourself, unless they are specifically about improving the article. Thanks. • Freechild'sup? 13:29, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I added Mothers Against Drunk Driving in the "see also" section, and it was immediately removed. I think a link to the MADD article should be in that section, as MADD is possibly the largest and most influential adultist orgainzation in North America. MADD's agenda isn't one against drunk driving, but one of promoting hatred and prejudice against young people, therefore I think it should be included in that section. 96.21.185.101 (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about other causes of adultism or teenage depravity: "moralists", social conservatives, "nanny state" types, public education and a majority of churches known for traditional values on teens submit to their parents' authority? It seems to be stronger in the US and western countries about the "moral sanctity" or sacrosanct nature not to challenge legal age of consent or that a 16 year old can have rights a 21 year old can have. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I too support the inclusion of MADD in this article, either as its own section or as a link in the "See Also" section. There is a direct link between their support of adultist policies and police harassment and persecution of people 21 and under in the United States. As a major impetus behind adultist policies and public opinion, MADD deserves inclusion as a concrete example of this phenomenon. Lothar76 (talk) 12:02, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Including any organization as an example needs a reliable source, which in this case would be something verifiable, like an academic paper or a book. Until then, no name-calling. • Freechildtalk 04:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  MADD 

message: The ultimate act of adultism is states and countries define when is an adult an "adult", such as 18 in the United States (a majority of states have it in their constitutions) and the drinking age remains at 21 for most of the US. The state of California seems to hold the concept of adult age in a strict way, despite how socially liberal that state can be on no-fault divorce (esp. the feminists and women's rights groups support this) in the 1960's and age discrimination (over age 50) laws that strictly prohibit workplace discrimination on older adults or seniors. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 20:06, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal age 

message: I fail to see how "Wizarding World" directly relates to "Literature" beneath the Cultural Adultism header as per the article's topic; I've changed the link so it redirects to "Childrens Literature", rather than "Wizarding World". 76.211.140.40 (talk) 03:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Wizarding World?

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have gone through all the reference sources that are accessible. These are some of the problems I have encountered. Would someone like to verify whether my findings are accurate or not?
Source #8 leads to a link that does not contain the cited quote
Source #9 does not discuss fear of children as the article claims
Source #18 does not contain the terms mentioned
Source #20 seems like a poorly-written blog post
Source #21 does not lead to the referenced article/quote
Source #38 is correct but the Wikipedia article should use quotation marks given that the statement was taken directly from the source
Source #39 does not lead to the referenced article/quote
Source #56 links to the entire website as opposed to the fact(s) stated in the article
Harry.chanp (talk) 02:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and corrected these issues apart from the one concerning source #20. Please refer to the editing logs to review these changes. Also, note that source numbers have changed by -3 as I have deleted a few sources. Harry.chanp (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Harry.chanp, thanks for you contribution Meeeeeeerzfu (talk) 23:48, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues with reference sources 

message: For an article with around thirteen distinct sections, the lead is quite lacking with only two sentences. A reader would likely view the lead section and assume the rest of the article has nothing of value to read. I would suggest adding brief descriptions of the major points for the article. Swankbanana (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lead section is lacking content 

message: At the end of this paragraph is a single lonely quotation mark. Or at least I can't find where the quotation is supposed to begin, if there even is one. The reference given is to a book I don't have easy access to, so I'm hoping someone else can solve the mystery: Is there a quotation here, and if so, where does it begin? TooManyFingers (talk) 15:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've resolved this issue, or at least I hope so. TooManyFingers (talk) 03:02, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Usage" section, para. 1 

message: Reading the description given by DuBois, it seems clear that he is discussing more or less the same issue Flasher wrote about seventy-five years later.
But it sounds to me as if the French sources from the 1920s and 1930s are using the word in a completely different way, to describe children whose personalities and actions seem excessively or peculiarly adult, such as the examples given of children committing crimes. Shouldn't it be made clearer that those French sources are merely using the same word but are talking about something completely different? TooManyFingers (talk) 17:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Also hopefully resolved now. TooManyFingers (talk) 03:04, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology/Origin section 

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thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Adult Development Fall 2023