Talk:Newcastle United F.C./Archive 1

message: SBR's first game in charge was a 0-1 away defeat at Chelsea. The Sheffield Weds 8-0 was his first home game. (This is completely correct and I've updated the article as such IainP (talk) 13:37, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd disagree, but I'm a fan so that comes as no surprise. In recent years, fans have become somewhat disillusioned and given the bad publicity and poor results, who can blame them? The ground still manages 50,000+ for home games and an impressive attendance for even the lowliest of European fixtures. To the original point - what actually *is* a "big" club? Do you have to win anything to be "big"? And if attendances were low 20 years ago, does that still stop them being "big" now if you're working off attendance figures anyway? I'm not trying to argue or anything - just clarify a point as "big club" is a very vague term. Manchester City have claimed they're a "big club" over the last few seasons and they've not had any more success than Newcastle in the last 50 years. Middlesbrough never seems to be listed as a "big club" yet have finished above us recently and picked up a trophy. Personally, I'd say a team's a "big club" based on public perception - how many people have *heard* of them or care about what happens to/with them. On this basis, Newcastle are undeniably a "big club". Middlesbrough, even with their recent upturn in form, rarely feature in the news and have surprisingly poor attendences - and, hand on heart, this isn't a go at a local rival, just a comment! Mosh 07:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

message: The following was removed from this article as it appeared to be a copyright violation (see http://www.nufc.com/html/geninfo.html). I will write to the owners of this page to confirm whether they have given permission, unless someone lets me know they have already done so?
:No need - it was included on 3rd of March by anon user 13.16.137.11. That big a chunk clearly comes from the NUFC site and should simply be deleted in accordance with Wikipedia policy. -- Arwel 10:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted AndrewMcQ 17:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Copyright Vio? 

message: removed whose fans oftern call the NUFC "the Skunks" from intro.
As far as I'm concerned, this isn't particularly noteworthy, and smacks of POV. Neither is it that relevant to this article - if it's important enough to supporters of SAFC and Boro, it should go in those articles. And it certainly doesn't belong as prominent a position. Any thoughts? AndrewMcQ 18:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard both, and think this should be in the article somewhere, but not in the intro or infobox. Anyone (who knows more than I do) care to add these, and other, nicknames?  ProhibitOnions  (T) 07:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: : This left the Intertoto Cup as the team's only possible route into European competition in the 2005/06 season; however, their 14th place finish in the Premiership made even that impossible.
:: Under UEFA rules, a team in a 20-team league must finish no lower than 12th to be eligible for the Intertoto.
Not sure where this information comes from, but according to the official website NUFC enter the Intertoto 3rd Round on 2nd/3rd July playing either  BB Ankaraspor (Tur), Vasas SC (HUN) or ZTS Dubnica (SVK) AndrewMcQ 08:35, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intertoto 

message: What is a magpie?
:A large black-and-white bird. -- Arwel 20:14, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Magpie

message: I noticed that some of the players photos (e.g. Emre Belözoğlu) were marked for deltion as they were uploaded without any image copyright tags or source. We should get a head-shot squad photos for the players, provide the source URL and use the promophoto tag. Oh, and it would be preferable if they were in Newcastle shirts too.
I've uploaded Kieron Dyer, Shay Given and Robbie Elliott photos in this manner, and replaced the Alan Shearer pic with the same photo, but icluded tag & source and replaced the Jermaine Jenas pic to a squad photo with tag & source.
Gram 13:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Player Photos

message: This article is 77k long, according to a google search (wikipedia search is down ...). Wikipedia:Page_size suggests that anything over 32k should be considered for splitting. I propose we split off the history section into a separate article, as this takes up the majority of the article.
For an example of what I mean have a look at Manchester United. We could probably nick their posh squad table while we are at it. Agree? AndrewMcQ 19:40, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article length

message: Seeing as the worst ever English defeat is mentioned (1881-1939 section), do you think it's worth mentioning our biggest ever win? Namely:
Newcastle Utd 13:0 Newport County - 05 Oct 1946 (Division 2)
Gram 13:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the records in the records section Mark272 01:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Record

message: Is Laurent Robert definitely on loan? There seems to be some kind of difference of opinion on this, depending on whether you listen to Robert, the press or Fat Freddy! I'm honestly not sure if we sold him, sacked him, or loaned him out with a "never to come back" tag on him.
: I assume the latter. Although I must admit I keep forgetting that he is merely just on loan. It seems there is no way back for him, but I would leave him as a loanee for now. Mark272 01:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know Pompey fans are wishing they could throw him back to us... I just recall a comment from FF (I think I saw it on nufc.com) where he said something along the lines of "Robert seems to think he's on loan, but there is no way he will ever be welcome back at NUFC". Just the way it was quoted, it sounded very much as if he *wasn't* on loan. Mind you, since when did FF ever speak sense... :) IainP (talk) 10:09, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems soccerbase only state Nicky Butt and James Milner as loanee's from us, no mention of Laurent Robert or Hugo Viana. Although it must be said that the site is not renowned for accuracy in all departments . Mark272 22:55, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  On loan... or not? 

message: As far as I can tell (all the official club web sites, BBC, etc), the correct spelling is "Amady". Should his page be moved to "Amady Faye" and the redirect placed at "Amdy Faye" to that one, giving the page the correct title? If there are no objections by Jan 1, I'll go ahead and do this. No links should be "broken" as there will still be a redirect in place. IainP (talk) 09:33, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mysterious - he was definitely 'Amdy' last year, but seems to have gained an 'a' this season ... go ahead. AndrewMcQ 18:46, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (just need to pull the discussion over as well - whoops) IainP (talk) 22:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amdy / Amady? 

message: Have You seens this movie?  It revolves around two teens trying to save money to get season tickets to watch NU -- Eddie 13:04, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, saw it when it came out. I have to admit to being slightly underwhelmed. Shearer also makes an appearence in a Neal Morriset film called The Match which is much funnier (although just as predictable!) IainP (talk) 14:28, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Purely Belter]] 

message: Removed the following, as seems to be a rehash of the history section:
:Newcastle became Premiership members in its second season (1993-94) and have remained there ever since. Some of their seasons have been good, others have not been so good.
:Newcastle finished in the top six in each of their first four Premiership campaigns, including finishing runners-up in 1996 and 1997. At Christmas 1995, they had led the Premiership by 10 points over second-placed Manchester United, but a dip in form during the final three months of the season saw the Premiership trophy head to Old Trafford instead. Kevin Keegan shocked the club by handing in his notice a few months later, and his successor Kenny Dalglish sold many quality players and replaced them with a host of players who did not make nearly as much of an impact. Dalglish took the Toon Army to the 1998 F.A Cup final but they lost to Arsenal. He was sacked soon afterwards, and his successor Ruud Gullit endured another F.A Cup defeat - this time at the hands of Manchester United - before he, in turn, was sacked.
:The veteran Bobby Robson (who was knighted in 2002) was manager of Newcastle from 1999 to 2004, and during his reign they qualified for the Champions League twice and the UEFA Cup once. Under his successor Graeme Souness, Newcastle's form has dipped slightly and they are currently hovering around the middle of the Premiership table.
:But the recent acquisition of England striker Michael Owen could be about to change all of that. The player signed as an eventual replacement for the legendary Alan Shearer could be just the man to bring long-awaited trophy success to Tyneside.
Any part of this need reintroducing? AndrewMcQ 18:50, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newcastle in the Premiership 

message: I'm dubious as to whether or not this section should be there. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Oldelpaso 21:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: agree - i say remove AndrewMcQ 21:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Disagree - nobody is predicting anything in that section, purely reporting current events based on news reports. "Crystal Ball" would say "Roeder will be the new manager" or "Ranieri will sign by the end of the season". The people listed have been approached, referred to, or done things relating to the vacant managerial post. It's relevant and not predictive. IainP (talk) 09:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is based upon news reports then those reports should be referenced (lack of references is a problem throughout the article). But even if they were referenced, I don't think discussion about who the next manager may or may not be is particularly necessary in an article encompassing the entire 125 year history of Newcastle United and their predecessors. The current season takes up almost as much of the history section as the entire century prior to Keegan's management. Oldelpaso 18:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The next manager section isn't that big (compared - as you've correctly stated - to the repeated history), but could be trimmed slightly. Hypothesising is one thing and should be avoided. However, mentioning what's been going on is, I feel, relevant. IainP (talk) 10:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Next manager

message: A list of famous Newcastle supporters was recently readded to the article. I don't regard it as particularly encyclopedic, and I doubt many of those listed actively follow the club or go to matches. If someone's support for Newcastle is notable I think it should go in their article, not this one. Discussions elsewhere about similar lists have favoured removal - , . Oldelpaso 19:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I decided to Be bold and removed it. Oldelpaso 13:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous fans

message: I knocked together this using the image label template to show the typical first team lineup, would there be any place for it in the article (maybe waiting for the start of the new season so any new transfers can be added)?
--Daduzi talk 15:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First team lineup 

message: If you're a fan of Newcastle United, please add:
 
to your user page so that we can build a huge category of people supporting Newcastle here on Wikipedia. Thanks --Temers 11:40, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userboxes for Support 

message: I like how as soon as the page protect is removed, the article gets vandalised. Mark272 16:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Nicky Butt has been given number 22 on the Newcastle United squad list. I would like to know where this information has come from as I can not find it anywhere. Has someone just guessed at his number. His old number was 4 before he went on loan to Birmingham and Solano rejoined and took number 4 so are you just adding 2+2 to get four or is this his actual number for next season if he stays. ---- Unsigned 
:In recent (June 29 2006) training pictures found at getty images, he wore a training top sporting number 22. Everyone elses shirts had their correct numbers on them at the time when they were with him. Mark272 16:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now confirmed. Mark272 10:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicky Butt Number 

message: Who is Håvard Værland? I can't find anything about him on the net. 58.168.59.213 07:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry about it, it was just an anonymous user playing silly games. There's no confirmation as to who the next number 9 will be yet, and Håvard Værland, whoever he is, is not a Newcastle player (and the same goes for Jake Ineson).--Daduzi talk 16:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't even think the section should be there. Yes, perhaps the number 9 shirt is important to Newcastle but the list in the main article is unnecessary, and, if what other people are saying is true, inaccurate. Mark272 22:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not as important as club honours, regardless of how long ago most of them are. Any non-Newcastle fans who read this article won't care about who our number 9 was in a particular year. They'll be more interested in the history of the club, past players, achievements and so on. You could always make a new article listing our number 9's throughout the years and link it to this one if you wanted to... but I don't think putting another list in this article itself is necessary. Mark272 18:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The new number 9?

message: Who the hell is Ben Letby I've never heard of him. Is someone winding us up. This can't be a real player
:This answers a few questions: User_talk:Benletby.  Some guy obivously fancies himself as a Newcastle player and so created this: Ben_Letby false profile.  The nickname "jam" when looked at with the name of the guy who made this edit and created the Ben Letby article (Nufcjam) seems all a little too easy to piece together really.  Not to mention the fact that "Ben Letby" returns 90 google searches, and any such "hot property" would get thousands (700,000 for Theo Walcott, 70,000 for Tom Taiwo, etc).  I've removed all the erroneous edits and nominated the Ben Letby article for deletion.  Left a warning on the guy's talk page too. Djdannyp 08:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben Letby 

message: I've removed Lee Clark (number 21) from the squad as he is no longer a registered player —Preceding unsigned comment added by  (talk • contribs) 
:He is still registered as a player-coach in case of an emergency. He's retiring from playing the end of this season. www.nufc.co.uk still lists him as part of the team, as does www.soccerbase.com and www.premierleague.com. Mark272 17:49, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lee Clark

message: he is listed as an attacker, but i believe he is primarily a midfielder
:Yes, he's a midfielder who can also play as a deep-lying forward. Oldelpaso 17:24, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sibierski position 

message: My recent edit changing the list of squad changes to a link to the transfers section of 2006-07 in English football was reverted, so I will state my reasoning here before making further changes. Wikipedia is not a news service. This article should be an overview of the club through its 100-odd year history, not a recap of recent events. In line with similar decisions at Arsenal F.C. and Liverpool F.C. to name but two, lists of recent transfers should not be included. Things like transfer news do, however, fall under the remit of Wikipedia's sister project Wikinews, if anyone wants to do a writeup there. Oldelpaso 10:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be, and in time probably will be, but obviously there's an awful lot of articles to check. Oldelpaso 11:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just looked at Barcelona, it is currently protected, so only admins can make changes at the moment (I am not an admin). Oldelpaso 11:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Squad changes

message: Craig Moore was incorrectly listed as vice-captain, Ive changed that to Shay Given which is correct (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/5180090.stm) --Vulk 20:12, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vice - Captain 

message: I see trivia has been added to many of the players such as Kris Gate and Antoine Sibierski, are these real or just crap? 17:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like nonsense to me. In any case, potentially dubious or controversial unsourced assertions about living people can be reverted on sight (see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons). Oldelpaso 18:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profiles 

message: I see the infobox includes the nickname "The Toon Army" for  NUFC. Surely this is inaccurate - the supporters are the Toon Army (as the article itself states); the team is "The Toon". Has anyone any objection to me deleting "Army" from the entry in the infobox? Tonywalton  | Talk 11:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections, apparently. I'm deleting "Army" from the infobox. Tonywalton  | Talk 09:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toon '''Army'''? 

message: I reverted a change by this user - 86.128.13.165 - about a song sung on the stands.  maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but the song was offensive and unsourced, and a look at that user's other edits convinced me the chances of it being a well-meant edit were low.  anyone that disagrees, just letting you know so you can judge for yourself.  raining girl 23:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well-meant or not,it's unsourced (so hard or impossible to verify) and even if true it seems less than notable anyway; after all, away fans will always sing songs at the home fans along the lines of "In our considered opinion you are persons of very low intelligence, dubious morals and poor personal hygiene, and you support the wrong team". Tonywalton  | Talk 00:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  probable vandalsim reverted 

message: This section pasted by Tonywalton following reversion of blanking by anon vandal. This section was added after the blanking
===Early League and FA Cup Champions=== HAHA YA FUCKIN RECKON
is the expletive really needed. 
Jim
BC
Canada
Cfsah 01:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Commented on user's talkpage Tonywalton  | Talk 10:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  correction needed 

message: The BBC website here has the Zulte-Waregem/NUFC match on the 14th Feb. The ITV Teletext page 515 fixtures list confirms this. However NUFC, nufc.com, Zulte-Waregem and KAA Gent (at whose ground the match is to be played) have the match date as Thursday 15th February. Just goes to show that sometimes reliable sources aren't! Tonywalton  | Talk 10:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zulte-Waregem match date - BBC gets it wrong (shock horror)? 

message: This talkpage is getting as big as LA Galaxy's wage bill will be from July. Has anyone any objection to me archiving it? Tonywalton  | Talk 10:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No probs ... AndrewMcQ 19:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for an archive?