Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Sailor Moon/Archive 5

message: I just noticed, we don't have any listing for the Sailor Planet Attack or Sailor Teleport as such this raises the question. What do we do with group attacks. Sailor Planet attack and Sailor Teleport are particularly annoying as they can be used with from two up too all the Senshi. So It seems Sailor Moon is the Key particpant in those though. Should we list them on her page? On everyones page? Engrave them into the moon? Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 17:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yikes, good question. Maybe the Sailor Senshi page...? Maybe the arc pages? --Masamage 01:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess we can list team attacks on Usagi's page...  Although, she didn't participate in the attack when Rei and the others were abducted by Rubeus.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Really... Crap... I was sure she was involved everytime they used that attack (Was that in the manga cause I Know she is always the first to speak her phrase to start the attack in the anime, and the Moonstick is the where they foucus the energy in PGSM so she has to be in it in that...)Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't like the idea of putting them all on Usagi's page. :T --Masamage 17:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Put it on the Sailor Team page!  ;) Actually, what should we do about songs that are duets etc.?- Malkinann 00:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I think songs are safe staying on each individual's page, with a mention that it's a duet. Which I guess means that group attacks are probably also safe to list in a similar way? --Masamage 00:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think so.  That would be overkill.  --  Denelson83  11:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

text: You think so? I wouldn't mind it, though I see your point. I don't know where else to put it, though. It'd take a pretty serious restructuring of Sailor Senshi for it to work there... --Masamage 18:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that "Unnamed Beam attack" from PGSM is listed on everyone's page that participated in it.  As well as the Saturn/Pluto "Galactica Cannon" attack.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 09:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Planet Attack and other group attacks 

message: How should we handle the brief brainwashing that happens in Stars? It's not really a separate form, and it certainly has no title. My though is to just add it to the Affiliations part of the infobox, a la "Shadow Galactica (when brainwashed)". Does that seem okay? Or is 'brainwashed' the wrong term for what happened? --Masamage 21:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well we have Mamo and Ami listed under Dark Kingdom for their breif stints there and Chibi-Usa under Dark Moon Clan for her time as black lady... I belive Hotaru is also listed under Death busters for her time as Mistress 9. So yeah that sounds fine.... That brings up an idea.. A Temporay Afiliation Feild (For when their are brainwashed and stuff. Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 03:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather not add any more fields, but yeah, this seems okay. My only remaining question is whether they're technically "brainwashed" in Stars; I think that's more of a word for psychological conditioning, which isn't at all what happens. I'm not sure what a better term would be, though. --Masamage 03:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well we could write (When under Galaxia's Control) but that takes up too much space. Brainwashed is a fine term for our needsLego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that it means psychological conditioning, which isn't at all what happens. --Masamage 17:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Meh, Its fine.. Just put thatLego3400:  The Sage of Time 03:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking maybe something like "temp" would do the trick. --Masamage 03:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evil Sailor Senshi 

message: I'm not in WP:SM, but:
Is there any reason every character page has statistics sections? Wikipedia explicitly says in it's dealing with fictional subjects guide that those shouldn't be on here. Unless there's some reason they should really be deleted. Torca 06:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's being discussed a few sections up (in Lists vs. FA); the current question is about converting those to prose. I'm about to do it, so if you approve, mentioning it there would be great. X) --Masamage 22:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stats 

message: Our List and Section Stubs have been put up for deleation. Head over here and cast your votes *Crosses fingers that it will be keep* Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which stubs?  Or do you mean "stub message templates"? --  Denelson83  04:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter. --Masamage 05:04, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub Templetes up for Deletion

message: Shouldn't there be a page or pages dedicated to the different monsters/sets of monsters created by Dark Kingdom/Ali & An/Etc.? I created a page for a list of the youmas, and was going to make one of the cardians etc, but it was reverted (see here). HaidaSan 10:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm concerned about the notability of the individual Monsters of the Day. It doesn't seem like one learns very much just by seeing a list of their names, and so it doesn't seem encyclopedia-appropriate. You have the right idea, though—we do need more information one what youma are and how they work. Currently the Shadow Galactica page has a section describing phage; it would be really nice if Dark Kingdom had something similar. It could even go into the details of what kinds of youma there are, how they're sent out, anime uses versus PGSM uses, that sort of thing. And we can add a link out to The Oracle's [youma section], where she has a separate page and an image of every single one. She gives way more detail than we could ever justify here, and it seems like a shame to reproduce that when we could just link to it. :) --Masamage 19:25, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. My original intentions were to make a page for each of the individual monsters with pics of both their forms in each article, with info on their appearance, attacks, summonings, possessions, defeats, etc. I suppose they'd still be rendered stubs though... I already typed out a page for Morga and Balm, with pics, but I didn't post them. But yes, I suppose it would be easier to just post links to The Oracle's page... HaidaSan 00:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. That would be a lot of fun, but they'd get deleted really fast per WP:N, which was my major concern. --Masamage 01:59, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to give WikiMoon a shot. Danny Lilithborne 02:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point! --Masamage 02:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ultimately, I believe that is trivial information unsuitable for Wikipedia. JuJube 23:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very much agreed. --Masamage 02:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youmas, Cardians, Droids, etc. 

message: This article was created a few weeks ago. The only characters on it are the Black Moon Clan, and all the info that isn't already at that article seems to be invented. I gave the author a warning some time ago that the article would probably go away; he hasn't edited since then, so I'm going to change it into a redirect to List of minor Sailor Moon characters and put the  stamp on the images. Just a heads-up. --Masamage 20:26, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sailor Moon characters" article 

message: Apperently, theirs a Flower named after Sailor Moon http://www.soul-hunter.com/sailormoon/myth/happybarrysailormoon.php —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).
:She drew them into a bunch of pictures, too. (They're pretty!) --Masamage 17:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy Barry Sailor Moon 

message: :Image:Sailor_Wikipe-tan.png Tada, i got bored and edited Wikipe-tan's outfit into some semblance of a Senshi outfit. Should we use her (along with our flag) as our mascot???Lego3400:  The Sage of Time
:Funny! I really did like it! I guess she would be okay as our mascot (maybe you should've painted her hair blonde:)). Nice work! --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, nice. I thought about doing something similar, but didn't have the guts. :P I don't want to appropriate her for our mascot, though; the flag is really nice, and things look really crisp the way they are. Cute, though. --Masamage 03:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Note of intrest! In episde 193, the senshi wear outfits almost idencial to the one worn in this image before i edited it. Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 06:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, maid dresses are a pretty common motif in girl anime. I'm guessing that's how they designed Wikipe-tan's outfit. --Masamage 06:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduceing... Sailor Wikipe-tan! 

message: Since Inner Senshi and Outer Senshi are fan terms should we start puting " around them ("Inner Senshi") —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. Just linking to the place where we define what they mean, and state explicitly that they're noncanonical, is probably enough. (Ordinarily I dislike ever using fan terms, but it's often pretty critical to make a distinction between those two groups, and "Outer Senshi" is shorter than "Senshi of the Outer Solar System." Besides which Takeuchi excludes Saturn from the latter, which is way confusing.)  --Masamage 02:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Outer Senshi'' and ''Inner Senshi'' 

message: Here's another CFD that affects us: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 27#Category:Manga and anime villains. Basically, it would upmerge all of our villains into the main character category. I am not troubled by this at all, and if fact discovered it while noticing that our 'characters' category had ended up looking pretty sparse. But now y'all know it's happening, and can vote. ^^ --Masamage 22:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't really mind, either.  Some of the arguments for deletion are a bit silly, though, I think... e.g. POV? -Malkinann 06:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... NPOV applies for characters like, say, the Amazoness Quartet. They're sort of villains, and they try to kill people, but they're also secretly heroines who want to be on the side of good. So for someone to say "The villainy is more important, and they need to go in this category" is in fact an opinion, and so non-neutral. (I am totally guilty. Sigh~) --Masamage 06:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villains category 

message: I begin to think that as the Ami Mizuno article isn't really being changed all that much of late, that we should open a Peer Review on it, to gain the opinion of the masses.  After it has wrapped up, then we can incorporate any good suggestions and move towards GA.  Yay or Nay? -Malkinann 06:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love that idea. The profile section really badly needs rewriting, though... We could do that after/as part of the review, but it may be a good idea to do it before... --Masamage 06:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rewriting it was on the backburner before, yes?  Maybe a peer review would give us fresh ideas on how to rewrite the profile.  I'm a bit leary of a 'do this after this' approach, especially when things seem to be in a lull.-Malkinann 10:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, though I'd like a shot at it. To avoid drawing this out, I'll take my shot within the next day or two. By the weekend, let's put it up for Peer Review regardless of whether I've done anything. Does that sound okay? --Masamage 18:23, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds fine.  :) Mind you, for me the weekend is tomorrow. ;)  -Malkinann 20:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, things are at least better organized now. Go for it! --Masamage 20:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening a Peer Review for Ami

message: Some time back, the idea came up of merging the "Variations" sections of the Senshi bios into the "Profile." I think this would encourage brilliant prose that clearly delineates between versions of the series; the system used on other pages is really good, where we explain what's universal first, then go into manga details, then anime details, then other-series details. Also, it would be easier to source than the current mess of OR.
I'm just re-mentioning this concept because, although no one disagreed with it the first time, it was kind of buried in other stuff. And I'd like to experiment on Ami's article in the next day or two. ^_^ So if you have a concern, pipe up. --Masamage 18:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations sections 

message: Now that I know more about how lead sections work on Wikipedia, I think it's important that our leads mention each character's Senshi identity, especially since that's the picture being shown in the infobox. They actually used to, but I removed it a long time ago, and I'm starting to see that there's a better way to go about things.
I also think that the sections that currently exist with the names "Sailor (Whatever)" ought to be merged with the "Other forms" section, which will allow the profile to come first, and make the stuff about other Senshi forms in there flow better. Once all those forms are there, the "Other" won't make as much sense, so I suggest giving the section the title "Aspects and forms". The addition of 'aspect' helps deal with the fact that a Senshi's different uniforms are just clothes symbolic of greater power, not actually separate physical forms.
That's my story. I'm on a roll, and think this will work really well, so if no one objects I'd love to do this ASAP. --Masamage 20:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For now I have done it (and some other smaller tweaks) to Ami Mizuno's article, because hers is the template article and has just been put up for peer-review. Please edit and discuss. :) --Masamage 21:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've listed the peer review at the anime and manga wikiproject, as well as the main peer review place... is there anywhere else it should be listed? - Malkinann 22:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never done this before, but that sounds perfect to me. --Masamage 22:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More profile reorg stuff 

message: *Moonlight Attractive Attack — A PGSM-only group attack, requiring the Moon Stick and the Sailor Star Tambos. Their powers merge, visually represented by a four-colored bow (Three if one of the senshi are missing), and launch at the enemy. 
*Sailor Planet Attack — The Senshi's most powerful attack. They shout the power phrases from their transformations (such as "Mercury Crystal Power") to build up energy, which is then directed at the enemy they choose.  Only works at half power if Sailor Moon is absent. 
*Sailor Planet Power — Variant of Sailor Planet Attack, in which the target of the energy can't be chosen and the energy goes upwards, in the same fashion as Chibiusa's moonbeams.
*Galactica Planet Attack — An evil version of Sailor Planet Attack. This attack is used only in the manga, in Act 50, Volume 18, when Sailor Galaxia takes control of the Senshi.
*Sailor Teleport — Each Senshi shouts the power phrase from her transformation to build energy, and the whole group teleports.
*Galactica Gale —  A group attack by the Inner Senshi when controlled by Galaxia.
*Dead World Submerge — A combo attack by Pluto, Uranus and Neptune. It is made by combineing the energy blass from their attacks, (Dead Scream, World Shakeing and Deep Submerge) into one large blast. It is shown in the anime but only named in video games.
*Garlic Attack! — Used in the SuperS specails by the Inner Senshi to destory a vampire. A varation of Chibiusa's attack of the same name.
Where do they Use planet power... Sounds like a Dub name to me...--Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 18:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seventy-second anime episode. --  Denelson83  20:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group attack Storage 

message: Starting in Super S it seems that all the charcters have rounder faces. Also Starting in Stars The cresent on Moon's head (both eternal and Sereinty) is thicker and taller than it had been. Should we bring these changes up someplace? --Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 22:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is definitely development in the art style depending on who's directing. Someone much smarter than me could make an interesting section of that at Sailor Moon (anime). --Masamage 22:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime art Changes 

message: i add the sailor moon(main) article to the recrest the todays featured list hopefuly it will get featured :} ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 23:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That list is for things that have already been promoted to 'featured' status and now need a day to run on the main page. --Masamage 23:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  featured 

message: *Some time ago, I removed one-time appearances in Sailor Moon from some seiyuu articles, stating in the edit summaries "It says notable voice roles".  Well, considering the new project to list all the voice actors, and seeing some of the other anime which have complete data, I think they should be put back, but I'm too busy with other stuff to do it.  Anyone want to take a look at the seiyuu articles? JuJube 03:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Moon seiyuu 

message: I downloaded Audacity and was able to make us a 17-second recording from Moonlight Densetsu. It's positioned just right to contain the last bit of the intro, plus the whole first verse, and it's at the lowest possible quality-level. What do you think? --Masamage 00:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While we're at it, here's 10% of the English theme. --Masamage 00:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful.  :)  They'll do really nicely for comparison.  Maybe we should use them on the main Sailor Moon page too? -Malkinann 01:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moonlight Densetsu sample 

message: I found an article via Google Scholar which looks at sex roles in children's anime, which mentions Sailor Moon as being the most influential anime of the '90s.  Can anyone get access to the full article through their unis?  http://gaz.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/61/3-4/293 -Malkinann 01:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's another article that I thought people might like to read and use:  -Malkinann 02:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SAGE Publications?

message: Someone's changed the Venus Sign to pink... :(  Who should we talk to to get the black one back? -Malkinann 08:35, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks black to me. --  Denelson83  17:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: ...It's black here. --Masamage 18:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks everyone. :)  I was looking at the wrong histories. -Malkinann 01:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Venus' Sign is Pink!

message: Is there anything thing to do to get rid of this IP vandaliser who keeps changing his IP address? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 14:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We could try WP:ANI... I'll give it a shot. --Masamage 19:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! They're working on it. There might be a block of his IP range, or they might semiprotect all our articles; gotta be some discussion first. User:Luna Santin did semiprotect both your and my userpages, though, so we can quit worrying about that silliness. --Masamage
realy cool it was getting anoying seeing his vandalisum on my page--♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 21:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Just FYI, I've unprotected most of the pages, earlier today. I'll try to keep an eye out for any further disruption, but feel free to let me know if I'm missing anything important. Thanks. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your help. It made a huge difference. --Masamage 03:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP vandaliser 

message: Coverage of what the characters' name kanji mean has been in limbo since before I got here. It's never been clear where we should cover that. I think people have generally agreed that it should be mentioned, but that it shouldn't get too crufty.
With the work we're doing on Ami's bio and her peer review, it's become clear that our lead sections are not quite long enough. So for the time being, why don't we just go ahead and put this coverage into the lead? It really wouldn't be that much info, so cruft isn't a big problem. Here's an example:
:The kanji in Ami's name translate as , , , and . It is structured as a pun, as the syllable "no" indicates a possessive, so that her name can also be understood as "Ami of Water." It is frequently mistranslated as "Friend of Water" because of the French word ami, which is included in some Japanese dictionaries. [And I have a ref.]
Does this look okay? --Masamage 21:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks lovely, (esp with cite! :D ) but I'm unsure if it should go in the lead - we can always try it and see.  I've been toying with the idea of asking WP:SF to contribute to the peer review, but I'm unsure of how receptive they would be - I think they skew to the Western canon, and Sailor Moon isn't hard science fiction. -Malkinann 01:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. The end of the profile would also work, especially since we're already talking about names there. --Masamage 02:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've tried that (the end-of-bio version) at Ami's article. I've also written up similar paragraphs for each of the other Senshi, but I'll hold off for now on inserting them so that this one has time to be seen and reacted to. (One exception: I will put Minako's in too, because she already has this information in her bio, but for some reason it's in the Sailor V section.) --Masamage 09:08, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now inserted the rest. And I have another question... --Masamage 02:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Source: http://www.rahul.net/arromdee/sm.faq.2 --  Denelson83  03:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lightning fast! :) Thank you! --Masamage 05:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, that's a good question. What does everyone else think? --Masamage 18:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I like 'em. ^^; Besides, the process of character development is usually pretty notable. (Hence the mention of Makoto having been a smoker at first, etc.) --Masamage 22:09, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Only while Naoko was dinking around with character designs in the way pre-production stages. I think it was Malkinann that unearthed those pictures; pretty funny stuff. --Masamage 22:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name meanings 

message: There's been a question in my mind for a while about what to do about our villain groups in terms of an infobox. Some of them have the "Fictional secret organization" box, but it's always been pretty incongruous, having several info fields we don't need and requiring that the image used must be a logo. I've been poking for a while at making one unique to our needs and have come up with . Depending on what is or isn't filled in, it can be used for either major groups (Dark Kingdom) or minor ones (Shitennou). It includes a groups Chaos leader and monsters-of-the-day as well as having room to mention the special things different groups use, such as the Black Crystal, Amazon Stones, etc. Most important, it focuses on the group as a group, rather than on the individual members, who are better described in their subsections.
I think it's about finished, so what do the rest of you think? Should we use it? --Masamage 22:47, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its much better than the ones we have now--♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 09:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Its nice, if thats the kinda thing we need... I wanted to use a box like the Starlights for the Quartet since they are actully heroines being forced to work for the bad guy... Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 16:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: arnt the Shitennou the same because they where endmyion Senshi? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 18:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: We could certainly make the inclusion of "villain" at the top of the box variable with "character" or something. --Masamage 22:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villain infobox 

message: A while ago you may remember that we had some problems with someone wrongly tagging our fair use images as replaceable...  someone's at it again. I'm not so good with images on wikipedia, so can someone who knows stuff about stuff please deal with this?  Thanks. -Malkinann 12:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the guy's full user contribs are here. The question in my mind is, do we follow the usual course of action and do all the work of filling out a "this is not actually replaceable" template, or do we just treat this as vandalism and revert it all? --Masamage 19:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just revert it... The guy was probably thinking they were like cosplayers or someting... I dunno.. Hes problby just an idiot User:Lego3400|Lego3400:  The Sage of Time]] 20:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. WP:CIV and WP:AGF. --Masamage 20:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Might just be better to start doing the full FU declaration rationale thingie. -Malkinann 20:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For sure. I'd just like them not to get deleted, meanwhile. X) --Masamage 20:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use images being tagged as replaceable

message: A while make, somebody added an image of Sailor Uranus in the musicals to the Haruka Tenoh article. I think this is actually a pretty good idea, because A) it provides live-action images for the characters who weren't in PGSM, B) the Inner Senshi have civilian shots on their own articles and Senshi shots at the PGSM article, and C) A civillian shot from the musicals would be nigh-impossible to find as well as deeply boring, so this is a good way to go in general.
Seem okay? I don't anticipate this idea being real controversial, I just thought I should make what was going on in my head known. Also, let's not go crazy: the only characters who really need this are the Outer Senshi, Chibiusa, and possibly a group shot of the Starlights. It would be fun to have the Cats and Chibichibi, but there really isn't space, so I'd rather not worry about it. --Masamage 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I got all the ones I said, plus Galaxia. Yay for the internet~ --Masamage 00:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No copyright/fair use troubles? Lucky :-) Raystorm 16:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so far. I fully sourced them all and provided rationales, so we should be okay. 'Course if anyone else wants to review them I'd appreciate it! --Masamage 22:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myu actress images 

message: Okay, I think that before long I will be up for starting work on the other (besides Stars) Arc pages. I mention this mainly because I am thinking of starting with the first arc, so I wanted to run the name question past you all. The real name of the arc is Sailor Moon, which is out of the question as an article title for obvious reasons. Another popular term is Sailor Moon classic, but I think calling it that is sort of weird, partly because it's a fan term and partly because using the word "classic" has a slightly POV connotation.
I think a parenthetical name would be best, so that we can indicate that whatever we're calling it after the real title is just for disambiguation. Here are the possibilities I've thought of, with their pros and cons:
*Sailor Moon (original series) - Correct, but confusing, because "original" might mean the Japanese as opposed to the dub, or it might mean the manga as opposed to the anime/tokusatsu.
*Sailor Moon (first series) - Also correct, but still confusing because English-speaking TV uses "series" differently from Japanese TV. This leads us to...
*Sailor Moon (first season) - ...which is technically incorrect, and which also excludes the manga (which definitely doesn't come in seasons, whatever you say about the anime).
*Sailor Moon (first arc) - Promising, but it implies that this article is entirely about the story and plot summary, which isn't going to be true.
*Sailor Moon (classic) - Largely meaningless, but perhaps a good alternative to the non-parenthetical version?
Any thoughts? Bizarrely, that last one seems to be the only one without any major problems, but maybe I just haven't thought of them. --Masamage 19:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Sailor Moon (arc)? As in, it's called Sailor Moon, but it's the arc called Sailor Moon.  *refuses to make dub-theme-tune-related joke* Why are our series pages going to be so ..whatever.. that calling them an arc page would be misleading?-Malkinann 21:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. And, well, the goal is to info on stuff other than the plot--release information, artistic development, sources of inspiration, that sort of stuff. But yeah, just (arc) is actually pretty good. --Masamage 22:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Either Sailor Moon classic or Sailor Moon Dark Kingdom arc are our best choicesLego3400:  The Sage of Time 21:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we go with Dark Kingdom ark would we have to change Stars to Shadow Galatic ark? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 12:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, which is why that wouldn't work. --Masamage 19:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Arc, with a c. --  Denelson83  01:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Consistent, with an e!) X) --Masamage 01:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: mabye we could call it Sailor Moon plot arks? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 12:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be a standard here or something.  All I know is Naruto has Plot of Naruto and Plot of Naruto: Shippuden articles. JuJube 12:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: what about Sailor Moon story line? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 14:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a standard about articles that consist only of plot information being a bad idea. This way every series has room to expand and be discussed on its own, out-of-universe. It'll be fun, too. ^^ --Masamage 19:11, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: My favorite idea so far is Malkinann's Sailor Moon (arc). I like it because it says exactly what the thing is without giving it our own made-up name (sort of like how we chose not to call the cats article "Guardian cats" or anything). --Masamage 01:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That works for me too. Then have Sailor Moon R (arc), etc... Raystorm 16:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't need to have "Sailor Moon R (arc)", because it already has its own unique name, which is Sailor Moon R.  The main problem with the first arc page is that it shares its name with the series as a whole.  There's no reason why Sailor Moon Classic and Sailor Moon Dark Kingdom arc shouldn't be redirects to Sailor Moon (arc) - it's just that they're fan names and a bit inconsistent. -Malkinann 21:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly so. --Masamage 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably no need; there aren't quite enough articles with similar names. Everything will be linked off the main Sailor Moon article anyway. --Masamage 22:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First arc page 

message: Wouldn't it be better, to use the Dark Kingdom page as the template.. It has surpassed the Shadow Galactica page in terms of quality. --Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 23:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ordinarily I would just say that that's the article rising up to match the template, but I think you're right. The Shadow Galactica page is doing a couple of outdated things that we've found much better ways of handling at Dark Kingom. It could stand another good copy-edit, but in terms of format I think you're right that it's superior. --Masamage 01:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villan template article 

message: Please take note of this discussion, as it might affect what we're doing here. --Masamage 18:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual anime episodes 

message: have we made a dission about this because its been on the things to desscuse for ages and on Mamoru's page it looks like more pepole think mask is the right name to lst him as ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 10:38, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We do tend to use Mask, but we have never reached consensus about it. I believe it was Denelson who preferred the use of Kamen, but the conversation stalled. --Masamage 18:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not an easy question - everybody in the shows says "Kamen," but I've found Japanese promotional materials and merchadise that write "Tuxedo Mask" or even "Tuxedomask".  I'd say, keep it as "Mask" because the rest of the articles attempt to romanize or translate terms like this, but there's a legitimate argument for keeping it as "Kamen" as well. Rebochan 16:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mask or Kaman 

message: I've noticed that a lot of the articles in the project aren't always clear about events that only take place in either the anime or the manga.  Some of the articles even blend the two, which gives the impression that events that only happened in one continuity happened in both.  Since the anime and manga can diverge greatly, I'd like to put it out there as something to focus on when looking for ways to improve articles that fall under this wiki project.  I've tried to do my best to fix this where I can, but it's a pretty huge undertaking. Rebochan 13:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree like supers and stars plot line compltly differs I think ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 15:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: We've been working on it, but yeah, there's a lot to do. --Masamage 18:09, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's no small task, but hopefully now it's out there. Rebochan 19:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime and Manga differentiation