Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Oregon

message: ...is how its primarly (and somewhat out of date) listing is at the NRHP.  aka "Tillamook Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangars" aka "US Naval Air Station Tillamook County". So we are talking about the actual hangar being the historic thing in question. Does the hanger=the air station, or were there more structures involved with the air station than just the hangar? I was thinking that the hanger in this article should redirect to the Tillamook Air Museum. If the museum is in the hangar (is the hangar), then perhaps we can cover the history of the remaining hangar in the museum article. I renamed your link back to reflect the NRHP designation, but left it pointing to the air station article for now. In any case, if we are pointing a national historic place link somewhere, that somewhere ought to have the best information about the structure in question. What do you think?  (I hope that made sense.) Katr67 23:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for replying. "Might there have been more than one US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar possibly named 'B'?" I really doubt it. Would anyone search on that string? Probably not, but it might not hurt to make a redirect. You are right about it having "Tillamook" in the name somewhere, though the link under Tillamook on the NRHP page should show that that's where it is. Feel free to change it if you feel strongly about it. Even though I lean toward having the NRHP articles show up on the list the way they were originally nominated, it makes sense to change the building names to what people actually call them if necessary. Hmm. Are there any other surviving naval air station dirigible hangars? Katr67 19:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. There are a few surviving hangars, but not many. Only surviving hangars are in Santa Ana and Sunnyvale, CA, and Lakehurst NJ.  I took that picture at the Tillamook Air Museum last week. (If any other pictures in that album are useful for what you're doing, let me know and I'll upload them for you like I did for the Tillamook Air Museum picture.) Also there's a nice picture over here showing the hangar being built. [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/903762/posts] semifamous 23:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  for Semifamous re: Tillamook County: "US Naval Air Station Dirigible Hangar B"... 

message: Search string "National Register of Historic Places" at the Salem Public Library Historic Photograph Collection Katr67 04:23, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources 

message: A discussion (and a bit of action) has been started about standardizing the tables for all the state's NRHP lists. Discussion can be found here. Input is encouraged! Murderbike (talk) 06:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardization of state NRHP lists 

message: *http://www.nps.gov/nr/listings/20080229.HTM
*http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/HCD/NATREG/nrhp_recent_nominations.shtml
*http://www.oregon.gov/OPRD/HCD/NATREG/docs/national_register_recent/klamath_craterlakenp_craterlakehd.pdf
Katr67 (talk) 22:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Righty-o. My mistake. More generally though, we've got to come up with a better way of referencing this list. Ipoellet (talk) 22:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rim Drive Historic District]] sources 

message: Newer listings since tables' 4/2008 source may require new rows in tables.  Following are new listings, to be struck out as added or verified covered in tables (from weekly listings indexed at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm):
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Whiteside Theatre,
361 SW Madison Ave.,
Corvallis,  09000060,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Camp Arboretum Sign Shop,
8592-8399 NW Peavy Arboretum,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000544,
LISTED, 6/25/08 
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Oregon State University Historic District,
Monroe and Orchard Ave., 30th St., Washington Wy., Jefferson Ave., 11th St.,
Corvallis,  08000546,
LISTED, 6/25/08
OREGON, BENTON COUNTY,
Children's Farm Home School,
4455 US 20 NE.,
Corvallis vicinity, 08000254,
LISTED, 3/25/08
OREGON, CLACKAMAS COUNTY,
Canemah Historic District,
Roughly bounded by Willamette River, 5th Ave., Marshall and Paquet Sts.,
Oregon City,  78002279,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 2/25/09
OREGON, DESCHUTES COUNTY,
Wienecke, Emil and Ottilie, House,
1325 NW. Federal St.,
Bend,  08000472,
LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, JACKSON COUNTY,
Putnam-Neff House,
227 N. Berkeley Wy.,
Medford,  08000337,
LISTED, 4/25/08
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Boyer, Clarence and Ethel, House,
1138 E. 22nd Ave.,
Eugene,  09000061,
LISTED, 2/25/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Willakenzie Grange Hall,
3055 Willakenzie Rd.,
Eugene,  08001368,
LISTED, 1/22/09
OREGON, LANE COUNTY,
Eugene Civic Stadium,
2077 Willamette St.,
Eugene,  08000183,
LISTED, 10/06/08
OREGON, LINCOLN COUNTY,
Ernest Bloch House,
116 NW. Gilbert Way,
Newport,  09000049,
DETERMINED ELIGIBLE, 2/09/09
OREGON, LINN COUNTY,
Albany Monteith Historic District (Boundary Increase),
Elm St. SW to Calapooia and 19th Ave. SW to 11th and 12th Aves. SW,
Albany,  08001017,
LISTED, 11/13/08
OREGON, MARION COUNTY,
Paris Woolen Mill,
535 E. Florence St.,
Stayton,  81000511,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Paul Bunyan Statue,
SW corner of N. Denver Ave. and N. Interstate Ave.,
Portland,  08001393,
LISTED, 1/28/09
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse,
2181 NW Nicolai St.,
Portland,  08001263,
LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Bohnsen Cottages,
1918-1926 SW. Elm St. and 2412-2416 SW. Vista Ave.,
Portland,  08001182,
LISTED, 12/04/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
USS BLUEBACK (submarine),
1945 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River,
Portland,  08000947,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 12/03/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District,
Roughly bounded by Harbor Dr., Everett, 3rd, and Oak Sts.,
Portland,  75001597, NHL
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 10/06/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
USS BLUEBACK (submarine),
1495 Water Ave., located on the E. bank of the Wilamette River,
Portland,  08000947,
LISTED, 9/18/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House,
2643 SW. Buenavista Dr.,
Portland,  08000405,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 7/02/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Campbell Court Hotel,
1115 SW 11th Ave,
Portland,  08000559,
LISTED, 6/25/08
(Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS)
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Downtown Portland, Oregon MPS
64500893,
ADDITIONAL COVER DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 6/24/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Mount Hood Masonic Temple,
5308 N. Commercial Ave.,
Portland,  08000473,
LISTED, 5/29/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
Jorgensen, Victor H. and Marta, House,
2643 SW. Buena Vista Dr.,
Portland,  08000405,
LISTED, 5/15/08
OREGON, MULTNOMAH COUNTY,
USS LCI-713 (Landing Craft),
1401 N. Hayden Island Dr.,
Portland,  07000300,
ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION APPROVED, 4/09/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House,
12050 NW Cornell Rd.,
Portland vicinity, 08001264,
LISTED, 12/31/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Washington County Jail,
872 N.E. Twenty-eighth Ave.,
Hillsboro,  86002090,
REMOVED, 12/24/08
OREGON, WASHINGTON COUNTY,
Doriot-Rider Log House,
14850 132nd Terr, SW,
Tigard,  08000554,
LISTED, 6/25/08
(gone back through October weekly listings, more to add going back to April 2008) doncram (talk) 15:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: all back to April, then sorted by county. doncram (talk) 05:28, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what source you're using, but the lists on this page (and all the subpages for each county for that matter) were completely up-to-date as of March 7 so I'm not sure why the need to reinvent the wheel, just use the listings from that diff (meaning use the redlinked NRHP name of the structure) and fill in the other info as you check it per the weekly listings. Katr67 (talk) 17:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The usual updating of NRHP list-articles each week, nation-wide, is done from these weekly announcements (NPS announcement source linked above) by Sanfranman59 and others (you too?), although occasionally one gets missed.  I'm not sure, but i think i found that one i have processed so far was not included in the March 7 list version.  And if a county is not yet table-ized, they just put in the redlink and perhaps the listing date.  The additional detail here is needed for me to start a row properly in the new tables, which Elkman derived from the last available NRIS database download, covering listings through April 2008 only.  I'm rather expecting that the Multnomah ones require nothing to be done, as those lists have been table-ized and new additions have been added in as rows immediately, i expect.  Feel free to strike out ones where it is verified that the row is done.  I have been respecting the pre-table lists, edit-noting that i am "processing" them as i go through them.  I've been deleting them only after i verify any info in the old lists is captured properly in the new tables.  For example, often they provide pipelinks to actual articles that the new table, at first, does not properly link to. I think i am not reinventing anything, creating any new work that doesn't need to be done, though this is certainly tedious to do, and perhaps to watch. doncram (talk) 18:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know about the weekly announcements. ::exasperated sigh:: That's what I (and Ipoellet, who created and maintains the Multnomah County pages) use to update the Oregon pages (more often than Sanfranman59, I might add), and yes that often involves "they" (I) just adding a redlink. You can see the page history for yourself. Though it's possible that one has been missed (I note that one property was recently made "eligible" but was not actually listed, so I left that one out), what I am trying to point out to you is that these lists were 99% accurate before. Of course use whatever method you want to create the tables, but note that the additional listings have already been "checked", though apparently you will need to add the additional info by hand. I'm also pointing out, as I do below, that although I suppose you don't have to take my word for it, the older listings were in their proper counties already. So as far as "reinventing", what I mean is you are asking questions about some of these that have already been "answered" so to speak. Katr67 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood.  And yes then this table-izing is then requiring reinventing/reconstruction of all those county correctionsand other corrections.    I'm sorry that it is forcing you to revisit previously resolved issues, but hopefully this is one step back, two steps forward though, in terms of getting to an improved Oregon list-article. doncram (talk) 20:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: newer listings

message: Counties not finished in "table-izing" are indicated by question marks.
  	County    	# of Sites
4 	Clatsop   	60
10	Douglas   	44?
14	Hood River	39
17	Josephine 	57
18	Klamath   	28
19	Lake      	16
20	Lane      	130
22	Linn      	65
24	Marion    	109? 106 now
30	Umatilla  	39
31	Union     	19
34	Washington	41
Other edit notes were about what is correct punctuation to use for
George A. Wells, Jr. House in Polk County.  Should it be George A. Wells, Jr., House or George A. Wells, Jr. House?  Either way, can set up redirect from other.
And for Edward W. St. Pierre House, also in Polk County, listed in table now as being in vicinity of Salem, the listing did not appear in the table. Is it newer than 4/2008?  No, it is now reported as listing February 21, 1989.   Has it been delisted and that is not reported in Oregon state list, or is there an error in Federal NRIS to be reported?
:Oh, okay, i see now that Salem is in two counties, Polk and Marion, and with your knowledge that this particular address is in West Salem neighborhood in Polk county, that determines the error is in NRIS.  NRIS reports it in Marion county, so it came into the new table that i had put into National Register of Historic Places listings in Marion County instead.  Removing from there, and adding this to list of wp:NRIS info issues to report to National Register for them to correct. doncram (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: table-izing still in process

message: The NRIS-based table at National Register of Historic Places listings in Douglas County, Oregon lists 44; the Oregon report gives 46.  One difference is:
*English Settlement School, in Oakland, was in old list and is in Oregon report but not the table.  Not in NRIS or in NRHP.COM.
*In Reedsport, Umpqua River Bridge No. 01822 (image) does not appear in table, was in old list and is listed in Oregon PDF.  Is this a bridge spanning 2 counties?  But it is not in NRIS for any county.  Not in NRHP.COM either.
doncram (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: English Settlement School was listed in 2007: http://www.prd.state.or.us/news.php?id=954 (first Google hit on "English Settlement School"+Oregon+"National Register"). The bridge was listed in '05, along with all the other coastal bridges: http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/listings/20050902.HTM Katr67 (talk) 22:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of resources: Pics of English Settlement School from the University of Oregon libraries. Katr67 (talk) 22:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks!  As these appear to be NRIS omission errors, I created new rows for the Umpqua bridge and for the English Settlement School in the county table, including those references.  Adding these items to wp:NRIS info issues. County table now matches Ore list. doncram (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Douglas County issues

message: Wikipedia table count is 38.  Oregon PDF is 36.  Not compared in detail, so there could be other differences, too, but the 2 difference could be explained by:
*Oregon PDF list appears to omit Barlow Road, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah Clackamas, and Wasco counties. 
*Oregon PDF list omits Columbia River Highway, in NRIS and wikipedia tables for Hood River, Multnomah, and Wasco Counties
doncram (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hood River County issues

message: Wikipedia has 148 vs. Oregon PDF has 149 total: 1 net discrepancy.
Sort wikipedia table by town to compare.  Note, wikipedia has showing in Ashland 5 places: Ashland Municipal Powerhouse, and Buckhorn Mineral Springs Resort and Dutchman Peak Lookout, Mountain House, and Reginald Parsons Dead Indian Lodge, while Oregon PDF shows those all in Ashland vicinity.  The NRIS-based tables strip out the "vicinity of". Same for 3 of the 6 Butte Falls ones, Wikipedia omits "vicinity of".
William Bybee House is listed in NRIS in Medford, while Oregon PDF lists it in Central Point.  Both have entries in each town.  Which is its location?
Carpenter, A.S.V., and Helen Bundy House is listed in NRIS/wikipedia in Central Point, lists it in Medford as Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House.  Article name should perhaps then be Alfred S. V. and Helen F. B. Carpenter House with others redirected to it.  Which is its location?
Dead Indian Soda Springs Shelter is in Eagle Point in NRIS/wikipedia;  appears in Jacksonville in Oregon PDF.
Antelope Creek Bridge is not in NRIS/wikipedia, appears in Oregon PDF in Eagle Point.  It is not individually listed in the NRHP infobox system (Addendum:  not if you search just on the name, but, with refnum from elsewhere, searching on refnum yields infobox, shows it has listing status "RN" which must mean removed).  What's up with it?  Oregon PDF reports listing date 11/29/1979, refnum 79002071.  This Waymarking.Com page explains:  the bridge was taken down, reassembled by volunteers in 1987 to cross a different creek.  "The bridge was on the National Register of Historic Places but alterations (arched window cutouts) during the reconstruction caused the bridge to be removed from the register."  So the error appears to be in the Oregon PDF.  Creating stub article for it.
Those are differences through Eagle Point in the NRIS/wikipedia list, others not checked.
The 1 discrepancy may be just the Antelope Creek Bridge one.  Assume that is the case, call this county done. doncram (talk) 16:29, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jackson County issues

message: 2 discrepancies:  NRIS/wikipedia 3 vs. Oregon PDF 5.  Difference is 2 in Oregon PDF:
*Olallie Lake Guard Station, appears in NRIS individual report as being near Estacada, creating stub article.  Perhaps it is listed in NRIS in a different county?  New stub article shows its approximate location perhaps in Jefferson County but near Wasco County and others.  Estacada is located in Clackamas County.  NRIS/wikipedia lists for Clackamas and Wasco counties do not include it, nor does Oregon PDF list for Wasco.  What wikipedia county table did it get put into, if any?  Unclear what county it is really located in.
::The guard station looks like it is in the Marion County listing. It is in fact in Jefferson County going by the map/coordinates and knowing that the coordinates are about right. And Estacada is the closest "city" to it if driving (other communities are closer though). By plane Madras is probably closer. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks.  Moved row from Marion County table to this county table, noted apparent NRIS county location error at wp:NRIS info issues.  Takes care of that one for now.
*Oregon Pacific Railroad Linear Historic District, in NRIS indiv report, so presumably listed in NRIS in a different county.  What county?  Which should it be listed in, or should it be listed in both? doncram (talk) 05:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is shown in Oregon PDF in Marion county, as being in Unincorporated area.  It is shown in NRIS-based wikipedia table for Marion County, too.  This is an apparent case where Oregon PDF lists in both counties, so it is first duplicate noted in Oregon PDF list.  Does it in fact run through both counties?  If so, then it is an NRIS error to report at wp:NRIS info issues.  doncram (talk) 19:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Mapquest which shows county lines, the NRIS-provided coordinate point  is not far from the county border.  Is is described in NRIS as "Roughly a 20 mi. section of the Old Railroad Grade bet. Indanha and The Cascade Range summit", with location in or near Santiam Junction, Oregon.  (Further, it is listed in Oregon PDF in Jefferson, Linn, and Marion counties).  Calling that an NRIS error, reporting as part of info issues.  Call this county done for now. doncram (talk) 19:50, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jefferson County issues

message: NRIS/wikipedia shows 57;  Oregon PDF shows 58.  1 discrepancy at least, to resolve.
Oregon PDF lists Old Placer Mine on Rockydale Rd. in Cave Junction area, not in NRIS/wikipedia.  What's up with that?  Is it in this county, is it indeed NRHP-listed, etc.?  Using refnum from Oregon PDF, individual NRHP infobox serves up that it has listing status "DR" in NRIS.  Will ask what DR means.  But assuming that means it is not currently NRHP-listed, and that the code properly applies to this place, the error appears to be in Oregon PDF list.  Stub article started.
No other differences obvious, in listings through Cave Junction in NRIS/wikipedia, others not checked.
Perhaps the Old Placer Mine one is the only discrepancy.  Call this county done. doncram (talk) 16:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Josephine County issues

message: NRIS/wikipedia shows 28;  Oregon PDF shows 27;  at least net 1 discrepancy to resolve.
Lower Klamath National Wildlife Refuge shown in wikipedia in Worden;  shows as Address Restricted, no town given, in Oregon PDF.  Isn't this a public place, shouldn't its location be shown in Oregon PDF?  Included in both tho.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Honeymoon Creek Snow-Survey Cabin with Ashland, OR given as its nearest town.  New stub article for it shows coordinates placing it in Klamath County.  Hmm, ok, shows in Unincorporated area in the Oregon PDF list.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Crater Lake Lodge in or near Klamath Falls;  Oregon PDF lists in Crater Lake.  Note, both list Rim Drive Historic District and Rim Village Historic District in Crater Lake.  Seems NRIS/wikipedia perhaps could list Crater Lake Lodge in Crater Lake, then, but it is not a clear error.
NRIS/wikipedia includes Winthrow-Melhase Block;  Oregon PDF omits.  New stub article shows Stevens Hotel alternative name (which doesn't appear in Oregon PDF either) and verifies that its coordinates place it in Klamath County.  Call this an Oregon PDF omission error.
That explains the one net discrepancy;  call this done for reconciliation purposes. doncram (talk) 16:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Klamath County issues

message: Oregon PDF reports 125;  the NRIS table (+3 post 4/2008 additions) reports 130.  Discrepancy of net 5 to explain.
*1&2: Two are recent NRHP listings: Clarence and Ethel Boyer House, LISTED, 2/25/09, and Willakenzie Grange Hall, also post the Oregon PDF cutoff date.
*In Marcola, Oregon, the "Earnest Bridge" appeared in old list but not in new NRIS-based table.  Oh, that was misspelled.  Ernest Bridge appears in NRIS-based table and in Oregon PDF.  
doncram (talk) 06:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oregon PDF lists in Lincoln County.  Mapquest view of the coords show them at Ten Mile Creek at the coast, in Lane County.  Lincoln County is a few miles north.  So error is in Oregon PDF. doncram (talk) 17:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lane County issues

message: NRIS-based wikipedia shows 34;  Oregon PDF shows 35: 1 net discrepancy to explain.
*Oregon list includes Ten Mile Creek Bridge, which is shown in Lane County in wikipedia, instead.  Where is it? doncram (talk) 17:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mapquest view of the coords for the place show it at Ten Mile Creek at the coast, in Lane County.  Lincoln County is a few miles north.  So error is in Oregon PDF.
*No other major differences obvious to me in the details of the wikipedia vs. Oregon PDF lists, although subjective vicinity/nearest city identifications vary somewhat.
Call this done. doncram (talk) 17:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lincoln County issues

message: Oregon PDF lists 68 while NRIS table had 65.  Manual counting verifies Oregon PDF shows 68 items.
The difference includes:
*Oregon Pacific Railroad Linear Historic District, in vicinity of Santiam Junction, Oregon, on old list, not in NRIS-based table for Linn County, but is in individual NRIS.  In Oregon PDF as in "Unincorporated area" of Linn County, and also of Jefferson County and Marion County.  Listed in NRIS only in Marion County.  Assume it is NRIS in error not to list in all three, put into wp:NRIS info issues to request corection.  Row added to Linn County table.
* Marion Forks Guard Station in Marion Forks, Oregon, on old list, not in NRIS-based table for Linn County, but is in individual NRIS.  Listed by NRIS in Marion County.  By its NRIS coordinates, looking in Mapquest which shows county borders, it is in Linn County.  Put into wp:NRIS info issues to request corection.  Row moved from Marion to Linn County.
Revised, current Wikipedia list has 67 vs. 68 in Oregon PDF list:  At least one more difference, not identified. doncram (talk) 19:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Linn County issues

message: The NRIS table report for the county generates 109 entries.  The modified wikipedia table for National Register of Historic Places listings in Marion County, Oregon lists 106 entries(since updated), while the Oregon PDF reports 103.  What are the differences, can anyone else spot them please?
*One of NRIS differences was the Edward W. St. Pierre House, which is in West Salem neighborhood that is in Polk County not in the main part of Salem that is in Marion County.  Recorded into wp:NRIS info issues to request for National Register to fix its county field for this one.  Wikipedia Marion list revised.
*Two more were NRIS table having duplicate rows for Hudson's Bay Company Granary and Clerk's House Site and for Joseph Despard Cabin Site, which are both given NRIS secondary record to list in two towns (Newberg, Oregon and St. Paul, Oregon within the county.  Duplicated rows removed.
Also, in Stayton, Oregon, the old wikipedia list included Mt. Pleasant Presbyterian Church which does not appear in the NRIS table.  It shows in an individual NRIS report, however, so it seems NRIS must have it recorded in a different county.  At first glance I don't see it included in the Oregon PDF report for this county. doncram (talk) 09:32, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mount Pleasant is southeast of Stayton, across the Santiam River in Linn County. Katr67 (talk) 06:37, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Good, that one does appear in the table now for National Register of Historic Places listings in Linn County, Oregon, so nothing more to do on that one. doncram (talk) 15:42, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Need to create stub article for it though to capture this.  Done. doncram (talk) 19:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Marion County issues

message: Discrepancy of 3.
Oregon PDF list appears to omit Barlow Road, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah, and Wasco counties.
:Huh? The Barlow road is in Wasco, Hood River, and Clackamas counties - it doesn't enter Multnomah at all. It's correct that the latest version(s) of the Oregon SHPO PDF list shows multi-county sites under the heading of only one. Earlier versions listed such sites under each county that they extend into. Similar situation for the Columbia River Highway (which BTW is in Wasco/Hood River/Multnomah). Are you sure you're not confusing the NRIS listings for Barlow Road and CRH?  Ipoellet (talk) 22:25, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, okay, i guess i am absorbing info only slowly.  Good no issue about Barlow Road for this county.  It appears in the wikipedia tables for Clackamas, Hood River, and Wasco counties, i am presuming that it is in NRIS for each of those.  In the current Oregon PDF list, it is reported only in Clackamas County.  Updating everywhere about that, now, in this edit.  I will update also for the Columbia River Highway, soon.  Does that run through more than one of the Multnomah sections, and if so is it reported in each one of their tables?  It could explain some of the >= 3 discrepancies remaining for Multnomah.  Please do say if you know of any other multi-county (or multi-Multnomah district) properties, too.  Thanks, doncram (talk) 00:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Columbia River Highway appears in the 3 list-articles, as you know, but the Oregon PDF reports it only in Multnomah County.  Tried to update for it here, in reconciling between the two. doncram (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: And the 3rd discrepancy is the Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District, which appears in the Wiki tables for both Northwest Portland and Southwest Portland, and so is double-counted in the tally below. (BTW, just to be clear, the district does extend into both quadrants and is properly included in both lists.) Ipoellet (talk) 05:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great!  Thanks. doncram (talk) 20:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Multnomah County issues

message: Wikipedia table and NRIS report 33;  Oregon PDF reports 33. But, Oregon PDF omits two:
*Oregon PDF list appears to omit Barlow Road, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah Clackamas, and Wasco counties.
*Oregon PDF list appears to omit Columbia River Highway, which is in NRIS for Hood River, Multnomah, and Wasco counties.
So, the Oregon PDF must include two others not yet identified. doncram (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The SHPO PDF counts the "Sharp Family Residential Ensemble" 3 times, accounting for the 2 excess count. (The ensemble is a single NRHP listing, but consists of 3 adjacent houses at 3 addresses.)  Ipoellet (talk) 07:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wasco County issues

message: Discrepancy of 2.  40 vs. 42?
The current NRIS-based table now in the article includes 41 listings, while the Oregon PDF reports 40.  The relatively recent addition of Doriot-Rider Log House and the delisting of Washington County Jail are reflected in both.  The discrepancy could be explained by the recently added Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House being included in the NRIS based table.  It is stated to be in the vicinity of Portland.  Perhaps it appears in a different county in the Oregon list?  Which county should it be included into?
*It is also possible there are other but mutually offsetting differences in the items included in the lists;  I did not check.
*Naming issue 1: For recent listing of Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House, should this be John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth Young House suggesting 2 different last names (as had been added to the old list) ?  Leaving at the NRIS-system version Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House suggesting one last name for the both, for now.  Redirect should be set up from other, when article created.
*Naming issue 2: In Forest Grove, what is proper name of what was, on old list, Benjamin, Jr. Cornelius House?  Perhaps should be Benjamin Cornelius, Jr., House?  Put in that way for now.  Redirect should be set up from other, when article created.
doncram (talk) 23:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Naming issues addressed on the WaCo page. As to the location issue, the Young house is in WaCo, it just has a Portland Zip Code as do many places in the county (Portland is in three counties). Aboutmovies (talk) 05:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Washington County issues

message: NRIS-table/wikipedia lists 79;  Oregon PDF shows 78.  Net discrepancy of 1.
*John T. Hash House appears in Oregon PDF but not NRIS table, not NRIS individually.  Oregon PDF states 120 5th St., Dayton, listed 3/16/1987 (same date as many others) 87000395.
*Monahan House at 120 5th St., Dayton, is listed in NRIS.  Seems to be same as John T. Hash House, although NRIS listing should show alternate name while it does not.  Created stub, stating that Monahon House vs. John T. Hash House are alternate names, set up redirects.  Reported via wp:NRIS info issues that there is an apparent missing alternate name for this one.
*NRIS-table/wikipedia includes Dr. Stuart House, also known as Verduzco Residence, listed March 16, 1987, at 103 Ferry St., Dayton;  Oregon PDF omits.  Record that as an Oregon error of omission for now, call this done. doncram (talk) 18:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Yamhill County issues

message: This compares tallies in the wikipedia tables, vs. Oregon PDF with its January 2009 cutoff.  Note, the Oregon total reported turns out to be exactly the sum of its county subtotals, with no allowance for duplications.  The wikipedia total is a moving target.  If a wikipedia omission or other error is identified, it should just be fixed.  So reconcilation here will tend to show only apparent errors in Oregon PDF, not wikipedia errors.
    	County                       	# of Siteswikipedia                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	# of SitesORE PDF                                                                                                                                                                          	New inclusions not yet shown                                     	Apparently erroneous inclusions                                                 	Apparently erroneous exclusions                                                                                                           	discrep remaing
1   	Baker                        	13                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	13                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
2   	Benton                       	52                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	52                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
3   	Clackamas                    	78                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	78                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
4   	Clatsop                      	60                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	60                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
5   	Columbia                     	10                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	10                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
6   	Coos                         	51                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	51                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
7   	Crook                        	6                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	6                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
8   	Curry                        	45                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	45                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
9   	Deschutes                    	35                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	32                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	2: House at 503 NW Delaware and Shevlin-Hixon Mill Buildings                    	5: Congress Apartments, Benjamin Hamilton House, Thomas McCann House, Robert D. Moore House, George Palmer and Dorothy Binney Putnam House	0
10  	Douglas                      	46                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	46                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
11  	Gilliam                      	3                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	3                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
12  	Grant                        	10                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	10                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
13  	Harney                       	7                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	7                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
14  	Hood River                   	38                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	36                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	2:Barlow Road, Columbia River Highway                                                                                                     	0
15  	Jackson                      	148                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	149                                                                                                                                                                                        	                                                                 	Antelope Creek Bridge                                                           	                                                                                                                                          	0
16  	Jefferson                    	5                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	5                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
17  	Josephine                    	57                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	58                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	Old Placer Mine                                                                 	                                                                                                                                          	0
18  	Klamath                      	28                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	27                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	Winthrow-Melhase Block                                                                                                                    	0
19  	Lake                         	16                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	16                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
20  	Lane                         	130                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	125                                                                                                                                                                                        	2: Clarence and Ethel Boyer House, Willakenzie Grange Hall       	                                                                                	3: Ten Mile Creek Bridge, Wilder Apartments, Archeological site 35LA6                                                                     	0
21  	Lincoln                      	34                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	35                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	Ten Mile Creek Bridge                                                           	                                                                                                                                          	0
22  	Linn                         	67                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	68                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	Albany Monteith Historic District double counted with Monteith Historic District	                                                                                                                                          	0
23  	Malheur                      	16                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	16                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
24  	Marion                       	103                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	103                                                                                                                                                                                        	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
25  	Morrow                       	4                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	4                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
26.1	Multnomah: Portland North    	26                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                                                           	Paul Bunyan Statue (North Portland)                              	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.2	Multnomah: Portland Northeast	74                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.3	Multnomah: Portland Northwest	124                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	                                                                                                                                                                                           	Pacific Hardware and Steel Company Warehouse (Northwest Portland)	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.4	Multnomah: Portland Southeast	94                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.5	Multnomah: Portland Southwest	203                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.6	Multnomah: Other             	33                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
26.7	(less duplicate)             	(1)Within Multnomah County, Portland Skidmore/Old Town Historic District spans an edge and is included in Wikipedia lists for both Northwest and Southwest Portland.                                                                                                                                    	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
26.8	Multnomah:Total              	553                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     	551                                                                                                                                                                                        	2 (noted above in North Portland and in Northwest Portland       	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
27  	Polk                         	27                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	27                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
28  	Sherman                      	5                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	5                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
29  	Tillamook                    	29                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	29                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
30  	Umatilla                     	39                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	39                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
31  	Union                        	19                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	19                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
32  	Wallowa                      	14                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	14                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
33  	Wasco                        	33                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	33                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	2:Sharp Family Residential Ensemble triple-listed                               	2:Barlow Road, Columbia River Highway                                                                                                     	0
34  	Washington                   	41                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	40                                                                                                                                                                                         	Young, John Quincy Adams and Elizabeth, House                    	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
35  	Wheeler                      	1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       	1                                                                                                                                                                                          	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	0
36  	Yamhill                      	79                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      	78                                                                                                                                                                                         	                                                                 	                                                                                	Dr. Stuart House, aka Verduzco House                                                                                                      	0
    	TOTAL                        	1,902                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	1,891                                                                                                                                                                                      	5                                                                	8                                                                               	14                                                                                                                                        	0
    	(less duplicates)            	(6)Barlow Road is a linear district in three counties: Clackamas, Hood River, and Wasco. Columbia River Highway is a linear district in three counties: Hood River, Mulnomah, and Wasco.  Oregon Pacific Railroad Linear Historic District is a linear district in Jefferson, Linn, and Marion counties.	(2)Oregon PDF fails to subtract any duplications from its total across counties.  Oregon Pacific Railroad Linear Historic District appears in its Jefferson, Linn, and Marion county lists.	                                                                 	                                                                                	(4)                                                                                                                                       	
    	                             	                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        	                                                                                                                                                                                           	                                                                 	                                                                                	                                                                                                                                          	
    	TOTAL                        	1,896                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	                                                                                                                                                                                           	5                                                                	8                                                                               	10                                                                                                                                        	
References
Reconciliation                                                                                 	
Oregon total                                                                                   	1891
less duplications (sites spanning counties) shown in Oregon PDF, not accounted for in Ore total	(2)
plus Oregon not yet showing new NRIS sites                                                     	5
less Oregon misidentifications of sites as NRIS                                                	(8)
plus Oregon omitting to recognize other NRIS sites (including duplications)                    	14
less duplications among those omissions                                                        	(4)
Subtotal                                                                                       	1896
less Wikipedia total                                                                           	1896
yet to be identified, net                                                                      	0 !
:Reconciliation done! doncram (talk) 04:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reconciliation of wikipedia tables vs. Oregon PDF