Talk:Styx (band)/Archive 1

message: There is a lot of unnecessary changing of this page going on. Please stop it.--SkepticDan 19:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, Danny Boy, that depends on what you call "unnecessary".  If you feel that the facts get in the way of providing you with an acceptable version of the truth in your eyes from your point of view, then yes, I assume you would think that adding facts into the article and removing uncited material is "unnecessary".  However, Wikipedia strives to maintain a neutral POV, and statements should also be supported by citations, no original research or opinions.  Unless you have a cited statement which contradicts the facts in the article, please don't revert the page.  This is not a fan page and all article submissions should be based on cited facts from reliable sources.--Bamadude 01:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Changes 

message: This article reads like a Creem Magazine profile in many places.  I've gotten pro-active on it and started cleaning up where needed.  I added fact tags and removed material that had old uncited fact tags, also edited fanisms directed at both Shaw & DDY.  The article needs more encyclopedic content and less POV remarks.--Bamadude 01:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This of course is not true.  You are reverting cited facts and replacing them with your uncited POV opinions.  This article is laden with unsourced info & hearsay due to your work and neglect.  If you want to discuss your edits, please detail them here first unless you have a citation for them as you do not provide sources for your info or a valid reason why you don't like my edits except your opinion.  All my edits are accompanied by solid sources as yours should be.--Bamadude 00:34, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Serious cleanup needed

message: If they are facts, then cite them with an official source.  You claim a lot of things with no citations for the statements.  Let's start with this --- what official source says they were the first band to have 4 consecutive albums that sold 3 million each?  I couldn't find it anywhere except on the Shaw Blades site, and being "pro-Shaw", even I wouldn't accept that.--Bamadude 01:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its there now. The RIAA site. Is THAT acceptable for you? and BTW: GI, POE, CRNSTN, and PT all went triple platinum.
--98percenthuman 02:01, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, if you want me to cite all four pages in the one comment then I can do that. I think its very unnecessary and who are you to dictate this anyway? This page has had that line in it for 2 years. You need to DISCUSS your changes before you make them. Please undo your edits and discusss them. --98percenthuman 02:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RIAA Sales claims

message: I am a newbie here, so bear with me. Is it...gauche...? to mention the drug sub-culture that many RR bands/artists were influenced by, and reflected that in their works? (example, Snowblind). Is there a topic that covers Rock & underlying drug culture, and how it affected music in the 70's-90's?
Also, does anyone have/know what musical influences impacted the band members in their early lives? Styx has a unique sound and it would be interesting to know what artists/bands or other music they each listened to that shaped their future sound? Can anyone help with this and add it to the Bio? Pedianut 04:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rock-n-Roll & Drugs 

message: Styx was featured on an episode of Family Guy in which Dennis DeYoung calls in to a hotline to bash KISS, but with a British voice.
 
I saw that episode, and Dennis didn't have a British voice. It sounded like plain American. Should we put "without a British voice", or what? --71.252.134.171 23:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Guy 

message: (Warrus spleed wrong, I'm a f**king idiot). I saw Styx recently on Current/Classic on VH1 Classic, they made a cover of "I Am A Walrus." (hey I spelled it right this time)
:Styx made a whole album of covers called The Big Bang Theory. Gbeeker 13:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Big Bang Theory are the only cover songs styx ever did
Ummm, wrong. "Lies" was recorded and they use to do a bunch of covers back when Styx was really Styx.
The Beatles cover is called "I Am The Walrus". The cover album is called "Big Bang Theory" (No 'the')
"Not Dead Yet" from Edge of the Century was also a cover.Styxfannh 00:09, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Album = I Am A Warrus 

message: Styx without Dennis DeYoung against his will? I know the current members do not like to hear it, but for many of those fans who made Styx a household name it simply seems wrong.
The way I see it, it's perfectly fine if Shaw and Young like each other, share the same creative ideology and want DeYoung out of their group. The problem is that the name they use for their band is mostly identified in the public eye with DeYoung, because DeYoung was the creator/frontman of most of what made Styx famous. Additionally, Shaw stepped into the band after it was established with a DeYoung-penned hit, and yet another DeYoung Top 10 hit happenned after Shaw's first leave of absence. 
Perhaps proof of what I say here is the fact that if you see a Styx concert today, quite ironically, you hear some of DeYoung's compositions-although possibly less than the audience wishes. If you see DeYoung's solo concerts you do not hear anyone else's compositions and may well be more reminiscent of the original Styx.
I would respect Shaw and Young more if they had the courage to at least use a variation of the name Styx. Otherwise what they do is unethical.
:Ridiculous.  Dennis DeYoung actually is the reason Styx is a JOKE in virtually all Rock circles.  They are a considered a Pop band ONLY because of his influence.  He refused to tour because he's "allergic to bright lights" and sold the rights to his share of the band via legal channels, so he's not a part of Styx because HE essentially CHOSE not to be as they weren't interested in playing show tunes anymore or waiting for him to invest in sunglasses.  Broadway is his calling, which fits in with the rest of his oeuvre.  "Babe" is a joke pop song as bad as "Silly Love Songs", as is virtuallt all of his material from a purely Rock viewpoint.  He wrote ONE hit single (which wasn't recognized until years later as hit material) and the ONLY reason they became mainstream stars is because of the talent of Tommy Shaw being added to the band as they didn't have any arena sales clout or hit albums prior to his arrival, so DDY fans should consider the facts before they vent their frustrations.  Another consideration is that the Panozzo brothers as musicians were disposable, i.e., easily replaceable and non-essential to the sound or composing, so the main progenitors of the music/sound were DeYoung, Young & Shaw.  2 of those 3 are still there --- that's a very legitimate lineup and the ticket sales prove that point.Bamadude 01:06, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I thought all of DDY's fans were little girls.--Bamadude 01:40, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennis, the identity of Styx???  No way!

message: I put in tables showing the album art in the "Discography" section.  For some reason, even though all three tables are identical in the markup, some browsers show the first one to be narrower across the screen (and some do not) than the others.  Perhaps someone who's better at tables than I can address this. 4.237.207.249 18:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comment is by me.  I don't know how I got logged out. Dyfsunctional 18:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Album art table

message: One Styx cd I have claims they were suspected of having consummatove tastes... I have no clue how this applies to Styx. 
If someone could kindly tell me, I'd be really grateful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.117.14 (talk • contribs) 
:It's "consummate" and it was a tongue-in-cheek comment by a music critic (I don't recall who). RadioKirk (u|t|c) 17:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consummative tastes? 

message: Did you know Light Up is about marijuana and snowblind a song agaisnt cocaine
:I think everyone who's heard those songs knows that ;) Kouban 13:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Snowblind" is not about drug use --- ask J.Y. about that.--Bamadude 23:38, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song meanings 

message: I think  we need to agree on one chart. The standard is Billboard's Hot 100 chart for singles and the Billboard Top 200 album charts for albums. There are about a thousand other charts and other chart companies, but billboard is standard.
Also - If billboard charts from other parts of the world are used, they should be cited. Saying "Boat On The River" charted in England (It actually charted on the "Europe" chart) is not sufficient. Saying "Mr. Roboto" was a "Big hit in Japan" is also not encyclopedic.
98percenthuman 18:49, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charts 

message: anyone have any info on the new styx album?
    Well, I heard on the radio a few weeks agon that the new 
album might be out in March.
Blah blah236 00:28, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: JY said on a Rockline interview (www.rocklineradio.com) promoting the CYO CD & DVD in November 2006 that they were looking more toward releasing singles than making fans wait until they had an entire albums worth of material. Styxfannh 23:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Styx album 

message: Holy jeez can we get an edit for a one sentence description of Styx?--Htmlism 01:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crappy First Sentence!!! 

message: I count four incorrect usages of "ironically".  I'll leave it to someone else to re-draft the relevant sentences, if anyone cares to do so.  --63.25.25.62 18:23, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should have explained to them that "ironically" refers to an incident that is opposite to the expected result and maybe they would've gotten it right.  In other words, being a diabetic driver and getting killed by a truck full of sugar is coincidence and possibly even expected, but getting killed by a truck full of insulin would be ironic.  I heard that description; I didn't make it up, but it really gets the point across about irony.  For the record, Alanis Morissette doesn't know what being ironic is either.Bamadude 01:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ironically, 

message: Can it be explained why it says that Tommy Shaw plays the shamisen?  On which tracks?  Badagnani 02:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tommy appeared on a Japanese TV show called "Best Hit USA".  On the 200th episode, Tommy appeared playing a shamisen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHwGpLDaiEk Styxfannh 22:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Shamisen]] 

message: Information about the origins of Styx up to the 1980s was repeated TWICE more before the contents box template shows up.  I deleted that redundant information and I suggest that the template contents box be moved to just after the introductory paragraph, with a new section, "Beginnings" added as the first section.  Then the article would look and flow better.--A.T. Horsfield 00:36, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Edits 

message: I went through the article and placed notices on areas that need citation to prove that they are NPOV.  Also, take a look at some of the wordings, especially things like greatest success, those things need cited to stand as NPOV. Darthgriz98 03:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: This band seems to be have enough information for its own template.  I would make it myself except I have no clue how to make templates... could someone with template experience maybe create a Styx template? Xnux 16:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template? 

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thread_title:  Fair use rationale for Image:Come Sail Away - The Styx Anthology.jpg