Talk:Crime in Mexico

message: Information in Mexican Crime Rates has been merged into this article as proposed.  I have not replaced that article with a redirect because it is up for deletion. Aguerriero (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Mexican Crime Rates]] 

message: A spanish translation of some of this article is now available on the spanish-language Wikipedia.  If anyone is interested, check it out here. Aguerriero (talk) 20:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another note - an editor on the spanish Wikipedia made some interesting comments about the neutrality of the article; it was great to get the perspective of a Mexican national.  I will use his comments to improve the article. Aguerriero (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish version 

message: 82.40.21.240 deleted reference to domestic production of opium poppy without explanation and despite the fact that the sentence had a citation 
I am reverting pending explanation of the deletion.
--Richard 14:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic production of illegal drugs 

message: Can anyone find a public domain picture of Francisco Arratia Saldierna?
It would also be good to have a picture of the 2004 protest march.
Is there a picture that depicts U.S. and Mexican border patrol forces?  Ideally, it would be a picture related to crime and NOT to illegal immigration.
--Richard 02:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested pictures 

message: Congratulations everybody on getting this article to GA status so quickly after it was just a stub extracted from the Mexico article.
Here are my thoughts on getting this to FA status:
# More pictures, see my suggestions above
# Keep up the in-line citations
# Expand the "Efforts to combat crime" section, the subsections are kind of stubby and don't flow together to provide an integrated narrative
# Provide a section about the root causes of crime in Mexico, see my discourse below
# Provide some historical context about crime prior to the last couple of decades
--Richard 15:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking this article to FA status 

message: NOTE: I am an estados-unidense and actually know relatively little about Mexico which is why I have contributed little of substance since the initial creation of this article.  Below are some questions that I think need to be answered to help make this an article worthy of FA status.
Is poverty really a cause of crime?  If so, Mexico has been a poor nation for most of its history and thus crime should have been a problem since its inception.  Has it been?  What is the support for the statement that "crime in Mexico has declined over the last 100 years"?  Can statistics be provided?
I'm reminded of the film "Los Olvidados" by Luis Buñuel.  Crime was clearly a problem back in 1950.  Why did he make the film?  Was crime an increasing problem that was worth noting?  What precisely was Buñuel describing?  Was it the problem of urban slums and urban crime? Have things improved since then or gotten worse?
It would be useful to have crime statistics for a longer period of time to get a better trend analysis.  It would be good to have some statistics that spans at least a decade or two, if not the 50 years since Buñuel's film.
Here is my very "OR" perception of Mexicans.  Many of the campesinos in the country side are poor but are honest and hard-working.  I am not convinced that poverty causes crime.  Poverty is more likely a function of urban settings and the breakdown of family and social structures.  It is also very much a function of weak and corrupt governmental institutions (police and judiciary) and the pernicious influence of the international drug trade.
Do you agree with this?  If so, do you feel that the article tells this story?  I think parts of this story are told by the article but the reader is never given an integrating overview.  Maybe the above points are "obvious" to a sociologist but they might not be so obvious to the average reader.  
NB: This "story" could be considered POV and OR unless supported by reliable sources.
If my assessment that crime in Mexico is primarily an urban problem, it would be useful to have statistics that prove this point by comparing crime rates in urban areas vs. rural areas.
--Richard 15:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Root causes of crime in Mexico 

message: Recently three subsections appeared in the Corruption heading titled "Corruption in Government", "Unions", and "Political Parties". The new sections contain some pretty hefty claims, all unsupported by citations. Since this is a GA and we would like to maintain that status, I propose removing those sections unless citations can be found.  Does anyone disagree? --Spike Wilbury  21:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts disputed 

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force in an effort to ensure all listed Good articles continue to meet the Good article criteria. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed. 
1) Some claims are unsupported by references, one important link is dead. I added a few 'fact' tags in addition to those, which had already been their;
2) The layout of the article is not well thought through, because there are lots of short (1 or 2 sentences) subsections, which should be merged (see 'Crime rate', Corruption, and 'Efforts to combat crime in Mexico' sections). In addition some sections are also short, and their content can be moved into other sections. For instance, 'Crime in Mexico City' can be merged with 'Crime rate'.
3) The 'External links' section should contain full citations, not only web links;
I fixed some minor problems myself, but the editors should do the rest. I will check back in no less than seven days. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted (such a decision may be challenged through WP:GAR). If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Feel free to drop a message on my talk page if you have any questions, and many thanks for all the hard work that has gone into this article thus far. Regards, Ruslik 13:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: There have been proposals to excommunicate drug cartel leaders ; this might be relevant for the article if it goes into effect.  ADM (talk) 06:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Excommunication

message: The time-series table of Mexican crime statistics begins with 2000 and ends with 2004.
Wow.  Double wow.  Didn't anything happen before 2000?  Hasn't anything happened since 2004?  Many people are prudently afraid to travel to Mexico, and particularly the border cities.  But this article sheds very little light on whether that fear is justified.  
Is it impossible to present important truths here because those truths might be offensive to someone?  On the other hand, is it impossible to debunk popular delusions -- can it be that Mexico truly is not a dangerous place, but no one can say that either?  This article is so "neutral" that it is essentially devoid of useful content.
Can anyone (knowledgeably) fix this?  I certainly cannot -- I don't know.  Paul (talk) 04:06, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Paul. Why limit the stats to 2000-2004? Especially since the drug was supposedly escalated in 2007. --Jabbi (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  strangely limited statistics -- strangely vague and useless article 

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message: Hello,
I would like to inform everyone that I am planning to edit the existing section on forced dissapearance. I want to expand the current section by writing more elaborately on the subject by using recent figures. These figures will be provided by cedible sources such as amnesty international and the human rights watch. By doing this the section will reflect the current situation more accurately in a cohorent manner.
Moreover, I would like to mention the enforced disappearance of 43 students from Ayotzinapa to illustrate the gravity of this issue. This will be linked to the existing wikipedia on that event. 
––IPUvA (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forced dissapearance  

message: Damn reading this in 2024 105.112.123.124 (talk) 00:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damn reading this in 2024