Talk:Endre Johannes Cleven

message: wanted to view it to see what the problem with the tag was, but apparently the image itself has already been deleted (48 hours after posting, kinda hasty).  Hm.  It's back now - why would that be?Skookum1 04:30, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The uniform looks like a standard CEF uniform to me - I've changed this but if you're positive it is US Army, it can be changed back.Michael Dorosh 17:46, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was gonna say, the insignia look rather Canadian/British, I think we can trust your eye, though! heqs 18:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked close on a zoom view: it's a lyre, a musical symbol....Skookum1 19:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image license issue 

message: What's the publication date of the newspaper article? If it's pre-1923, it is very likely public domain, and therefore could be included here verbatim (or sampled liberally/at will). It would be good referencing practice to include the publication info anyway. heqs 03:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I just noticed the "date uncertain" part, sorry. Would be good to have though, for the reasons I mentioned. heqs 03:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have other copies, one a different English translation and another the original Norwegian; and I think the Norwegian one at least is dated.  The version linked at present is from a geocities website run by my first cousin-once-removed (usually called second cousin, but I've gotten more specific; in Norwegian a second cousin is someone of the same generation, not simply removed by one).  Been looking for the Norwegian one, partly because it uses some "interesting" words, as my Norwegian-class teacher commented (archaic and/or dialect).  Also trying to see what's in the other family archives in Winnipeg, Montreal and St. John, where the respective cousins live (all my uncles and aunt have passed away, as has my father), and hopefully the cuz I'm on good terms with in Wpg can get at the Winnipeg Free Press and local Sons of Norway files for more information; also the Walker Theatre; as noted in one of the in-line comments I'm trying to recover some of his compositions, other than the three songs and one choral work I have kicking around here; there used to be orchestral parts for theatre music, and hopefully someone bought them at the garage sale in question and might respond to a letter to the North Shore News, at least knowing what happened to them and if they're in the hands of a document collector, as also with his US Army discharge and some Canadian immigration/settlement maps; grrr...cross your fingers for me, and I'll make a point of writing the NS News tomorrow to get things rolling (well, I have to find the photocopy of the discharge first so that can illustrate the article/letter in the News).Skookum1 05:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source info 

message: Like many of his time, he was a dual citizen, as were his offspring; Dad retained his until 1950 or so; my mother also was but for different reasons.  The lede says "a Norwegian-born Canadian" but should say "Canadian and American" because of the dual citizenship, though of course I'll have to find a cite for that, it may be in his papers/bio in the National Archives in Canada which I'll find and link.  The picture used here is also on that site, I think.Skookum1 (talk) 02:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  issue with lede re "Canadian"; he was also American...... 

message: There's no citation yet available, other than the family genealogy site built by my cousin Kris, but at least three of his offspring are highly notable, Alf (Alfred), Lillian (Lil) and Harald (Harry).  Alf was Chief Factor of the Hudson's Bay Company for many years, Lil was Miss Canada 1930 (from a different organization than those listed on Miss Canada, we have a picture of two but no citation as yet) and Harry was head of the Rotary and YMCA in Winnipeg and in other capacities and was among the victims of Trans-Canada Airlines Flight 810's crash on Mount Slesse in 1956.  There may already be materials on him in the Manitoba Archive because of his prominence in that province.....Alf may be mentioned in the HBC Archives, which are part of the Manitoba Archives now, I think.  Plans within the family at the moment are to gather what materials may be out there and them and give them to that archive, and Aunt Lillian's second family in Chicago we're trying to contact to see what they might have, though she may also be listed in university or city or Democratic Party archives in Illinois (she became private secretary to the County Clerk of Cook County and was in prominent Democrat circles there, i.e. Mayor Daley's coterie).  My own father Endre, the eldest, has quite the story and was a billiards champion in extremis (and hustled pool from the age of 11 to support his mother and siblings; he was so famous in that capacity that when he returned to Winnipeg for Grandma's funeral in 1964 an "Andy Cleven takes on all comers" demo/competition at the old pool hall attracted so many to see the living legend in action they had to install bleachers and lights.....the pool hall is now a mosque, don't know what happened to the pool tables, sure would like to have one though ;-)), a professional boxer, and a founder of the Society for Barbershop Quartet Singing in America, the Royal Canadian Legion, the Lions in British Columbia, other organizations, and was a perpetual community organizer and notable figure wherever we lived, including long-time president of the Western Canada Soap Box Derby Association (rotating that position, often enough, with my mother, as also as co-founders, with others, of the Canadian Loggers' Sports Organization)......no citations yet and I took an WP:AUTO overstep in the first place by creating this article about my grandfather; at the very least once citations are available for all of those, his offspring should be listed as is commonly the case on other bios in Wikipedia.  Because of WP:AUTO, in future I will post those materials here, and ask others to add them if suitable.  A collective family bio is maybe in the works, but not for publication anytime soon.Skookum1 (talk) 03:07, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: His brother-in-law Aadne Hoines is also highly notable, and has been the subject of a PBS documentary I've never seen, due to his role in the Sons of Norway and in civic and cultural affairs in Winnipeg, and Norwegian-North American social and cultural circles.  And I believe also well-known in Norway, as was my grandfather because of his role as Immigration Director for Scandinavians in Canada; there may be more on both of them in Norwegian-language materials there.Skookum1 (talk) 03:14, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  notability of offspring