Talk:Al Gore/Archive 11

message: I've been looking for *primary* sources on Gore's work on global warming. I cannot find anything that predates 1988; that's when there were congressional hearings on the topic, and Gore in 1989 wrote an op-ed piece in the NYT.  But the Monitor source of congressional hearings in the "1970s" appears plain wrong, and has confused global warming with toxic waste.  And "1980s" is misleading if it's 1988/9.  Searching congressional transcripts, I find only 1988 and 1989.  If anybody can point to corroborating sources, please do so; failing that, I will edit away claims predating 1988.  ("1970s" would be pretty bizarre since the  First World Climate Conference was held on 12-23 February 1979.)  Specifically, I would suggest writing "During his tenure in Congress, Gore co-sponsored hearings on toxic waste in 1978–79, and in the Senate held hearings on global warming in 1988-1989". --Psm 22:20, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should look harder. "Almost as soon as Gore was elected to Congress in 1976, he began conducting hearings on global warming" .  Unless 11,000 sources are wrong you need to undo those edits. 4.246.203.119 03:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 11,000 unreliable sources are meaningless. first, you have to cull the results that are regrettably sourced from this very article. wikipedia is fast poisoning its own genetic pool. but i digress. Anastrophe 03:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  actual dates for Gore work on global warming etc 

message: BreadbakerWA 10:41, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000 Election and "Winning Your Home State" 

message: Until a few days ago I'd never seen the icon placed in a infobox like that. First of all it's distracting as it, along with his picture, is the first thing you see when the page opens. Next it's useless. Not everybody will know what the icon signifies, and even if they do, it doesn't link to Nobel Peace Prize, so it's not informing anyone of anything. It also overemphasises the award. It says to me that Al Gore (and the others I saw it on) is notable because he won a Nobel prize but in truth he won the prize because he did something notable. Why not add icons for his other awards as well, what about his Emmy Award.? Finally adding things like that will get out of hand. Look at Jimmy Carter, he has a Nobel Prize as well but why not add the seal of Georgia and the Presidential seal aren't they important? If it's in the box then it should be further down with a list so that the award can be linked to CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually a lot of articles of Nobel Prize winners seem to have the icon on the infobox. Some on the top right next to the name or some on the bottom, but it does seem to use the icon. mirageinred 13:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been removing them from the top, as I see them, but if they were further down then I left them in. Such as Albert Einstein, who, as I suggested above, has his other awards listed. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree that it looks neater within the info list (see Marie Curie, Linus Pauling, Albert Einstein) than atop the box (see George Bernard Shaw).  I think the person's name alone, serving as identification, is best.  The practice of putting an image alongside the name doesn't seem to be in use for other sorts of prize winners (see Olympic gold medalist Michael Johnson (athlete), for example). Hult041956 18:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hunting around further, I've found that many, but not all, Peace Prize winners have the medal in their infoboxes. Fewer science prize winners do.  Cambridge, I see you're going from article to article, but advocates are working as quickly as you.  ;-)   Hult041956 23:09, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See User:CambridgeBayWeather/Sandbox for an idea of how the boxes will look if it continues. I did 2 one with just the images and another with the article links. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cute.  Wanna add his high school varsity pins up there?  ;-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hult041956 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nobel prize icon at top of box 

message: Al Gore's monthly energy usage is more than a year's energy usage of an average American household  - This should be mentioned under his Global Warming section to balance out the article.  TwakTwik 14:56, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a new claim. It first came up back in February of this year. Note that the source you give fails to mention the word "carbon."  How can this subject be realistically discussed without mentioning carbon footprints or carbon offsets? Here's an article that presents both sides of the matter. Sunray 15:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems to me important to recognize that the criticism is not really justified, but rather a partisan and ad hominem attack. We all struggle with the problem of carbon footprints, after all. However, if we stick to sources in the mainstream media, we should be able to produce a NPOV statement that illuminates the subject of carbon offsets and thus adds something interesting to the article. Sunray 17:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh, yes. I was agreeing with you about adding to the article.  Go ahead. Sunray 19:22, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look here; you may find you can improve that article. Hult041956 23:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Gore's Own Inconvenient Truth 

message: If there are no objections, I think we should set up MiszaBot to automatically archive this page. The instructions are here:
*User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MiszaBot/Archive_HowTo
-Classicfilms (talk) 20:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the MiszaBot for a trial run. If it doesn't work well, we can revert. -Classicfilms (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made some corrections so the archive should work properly now. -Classicfilms (talk) 15:44, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archives 

message: Of all the issues that Gore has been involved in, why is this one explicitly highlighted and elaborated (compared to healthcare, etc)? 129.120.177.60 (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably just an example of WP:RECENTISM.  Gore has been focused on climate change in recent years, and his switch on gay marriage is one of his few recent dramatic policy announcements outside of climate change.  Do you think it should be trimmed?  I think that would be reasonable, though personally I think the way to go would be to elaborate on his other political views rather than to trim this one.  --Allen (talk) 01:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we just shorten the block quote to an inline quotation? The reference should not be removed but I think it is fair to trim the quote. -Classicfilms (talk) 04:26, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The length of the block quote seemed to violate WP:UNDUE so I trimmed it and re-wrote and re-organized the section a bit. -Classicfilms (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks; that's more balanced.  And the NetDay photo is great.  --Allen (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A note - this section was divided into two by topic. The second half is below. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:11, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Marriage 

message: You're welcome! I've been trying to push the article towards another WP:GAC nomination and any further suggestions or edits from you and other editors would be appreciated. One major task is reformating the footnotes. -Classicfilms (talk) 16:27, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Feedback and suggestions to move this article towards GA would be appreciated. -Classicfilms (talk) 01:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this should have been nominated at the GAN before being nominated THREE times at the FAC. --haha169 (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The article still needs work, a few of the sections need to be developed, and references need to be checked and formatted, but with a little work I think it could go through GAN in the future. -Classicfilms (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article