Talk:Ku Klux Klan

message: In the statement of a leading klansman retiring after it's revealed he was a sex offender, there is an "a" missing from the text. Chodley (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 21:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024 

message: Request that the label Right winged be removed and replaced by political bipartisan hate group 2603:8080:7C00:E5:C04E:D3F6:3BDE:9ADB (talk) 05:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 05:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the history documented in the Wikipedia entry? The organization started as an arm of the democrat party. 2601:C2:1A00:1083:91C6:5C23:FF72:18CE (talk) 00:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:WINARS.  Plus, I am not sure you've heard of this concept, but: things change.  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 01:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably time for an FAQ that we can at least point the history-impaired to. Not that it will make any difference to someone who imagines things today are just like they were in 1865, but ... Acroterion (talk) 01:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, things change over time, such as the political influence of the klan. At one time it had significant political influence and today it has none or even negative. So pick a time when it has political influence to try to define the ideology, perhaps the early 1940s. I wouldn't consider the party of FDR far-right. 2601:C2:1A00:1083:C97:F09F:996D:1B2D (talk) 12:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: So I guess you are conceding that far-right may be an appropriate label today?  And the party of FDR was a complicated one.  The right-left distinction is, at the best of times, reductive, but when dealing with a splintering like the Democratic party experienced with the Dixiecrats, it can often be misleading.  The article as currently presented does not hide the Klan's origins and alignment with the Democratic party, but neither should it downplay its current or historic stances and how they are described in reliable sources.  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 14:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I'm suggesting that if you want to ascribe an underlying ideology, then maybe a weighted average of the predominant ideology weighted by political influence over time would be more meaningful. Or, even better, since there is no specific ideology over time, apolitical would be a better description. 2601:C2:1A00:1083:C97:F09F:996D:1B2D (talk) 15:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This all strikes me as sort of antithetical to the way an encyclopedia organizes information, but to each their own.  As mentioned, reliable sources would help, and when you have consensus for the changes you would like to see, by all means make them.  Happy Friday. Dumuzid (talk) 15:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Antithetical, I suppose in that an encyclopedia must be continuously updated or becomes antiquated. Perhaps that results from defining something that ultimately does not exist, such as an underlying ideology for this organization. It seems to me that its ideology is fluid and ascribes to whatever is willing to support its principles of tribalism and hatred. For example, today I would say antisemitism is more aligned with a far-left ideology. I'll see what I can come up with. Have a great weekend. 2601:C2:1A00:1083:C97:F09F:996D:1B2D (talk) 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Just out of curiosity, are there any negative traits you would ascribe to right or far-right ideology? Dumuzid (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: anarchy and lack of empathy come to mind. 2601:C2:1A00:1083:C97:F09F:996D:1B2D (talk) 17:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024