Talk:S. Truett Cathy

message: Remember Cathy's role on the zoning board, why have we failed to mention that? 
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:If you have a reliable reference on the topic, feel free to add a neutrally worded bit about it. --Delirium 10:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What about the his Role on the Clayton county zoning board and the controversy?

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD]] Tagging

message: Saw Samuel Truett Cathy's philanthropy page on facesofphilanthropy.com, and noticed that his wiki page didn't have a philanthropy section, so I added one. Sir. Somerset (talk) 04:12, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Philanthropic Activities

message: So are we pretending he isn't a huge donor and supporter of anti-gay causes? How's that work? --50.137.171.62 (talk) 05:10, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Anti-gay groups"? The language is way off from the actual fact that the groups he donated the large majority of that 3 million are not specifically "anti-gay" but have a stance against it without activism. Zosterman (talk) 05:06, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I fail to see how "pro family" is NPOV either. Is there a neutral term that can be used here? 174.29.200.71 (talk) 04:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove the adjective and just list the groups.  Let the reader decide. 72Dino (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Pro-family" is neutral; "Anti-gay" is not.  Particularly since Cathy says explicitly that he is not anti-gay.  There are other reasons why he might want to support those organizations.  Belchfire-TALK 04:19, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already been established that anti-gay is not NPOV so Cathy's opinions on whether or not he is anti-gay are irrelevant. Pro-family implies that viewpoints other than those held by the organization are anti-family, and given the organizations traditionalist leanings also implies that traditionalism is a positive quality for families. Something along the lines of "family traditionalist" would have been a more quantitative alternative. 174.29.200.71 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: as is pointedly established here  "of what Cathy/Winship calls 'traditional families'" - we need to attribute the valuation /description to the person/organization making it.  -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We do need to attribute any euphemism ("pro-family") to him. However, there is absolutely no reason for us to avoid more  accurate characterizations, such as anti-gay, when our sources support it. For example, FRC is an SPLC-designated anti-gay hate group, so we can use precisely this description of it. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-gay causes

message: The text based on this dead link was correctly removed. It is highly suspect and should not be restored without a valid reflink. Quis separabit? 23:55, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Invalid link

message: Finitus sum sermo loquentis cum te.  Vertium When all is said and done 23:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply to {{ping|Rms125a@hotmail.com}} (aka Quis separabit?)

message: Although editors have written on my user talk page "BTW, Cathy is not a living person" and  "Your appeal to WP:BLP appears to be an attempt to game the system, since the content is abundantly sourced and the organizations' policies are not living people"  I here point out that 
:BLP applies to the recently deceased.
And
:Contentious claims made in Wikipedia's voice must be strongly sourced.
Here we have repeated claims in the nature of "Cathy gave loads of money to anti-gay or homophobic organizations."  
The implication is that we say Cathy was anti-gay or homophobic.  Cathy is, as far as I can tell, recently deceased.   It is not "gaming the system" to apply WP:BLP to such people.    Postulate that we said "George Gnarph gave money to pro-Communist organizations" where we clearly imply that he gave money to such organizations because they were pro-Communist.  Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BDP applies to the article, but it doesn't matter because the content is adequately sourced. The policy specifically says "Such extensions [of BLP to include recently deceased people] would apply particularly to contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible suicide or a particularly gruesome crime." Not only do Truett's donations to WinShape not rise to the level of poorly-sourced contentious material, but it's absurd to assume that such a publicly known fact would have negative implications for living relatives or friends. Keep in mind that his son, Dan Cathy, made controversial statements in 2012 that were highly publicized.- MrX 16:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is the framing of the "fact".  Implying intent via the donation which simply cannot be verified.  That is your BLP and BLP by relationship violation.  I agree with your statement that Cathy's were highly publicized, but were they really controversial?  If there is any controversy, it is that freedom of speech is ok unless that speech is something that some preferred group finds offensive.  Your use of Dan Cathy in this way to validate your claim against Truett is a little offensive.  Arzel (talk) 18:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think that removing the entire philanthropy section would eliminate this "BLP relationship violation", then I would consider that as a plausible compromise, although I prefer that our readers have a fuller picture of the subject. Yes, Dan Cathy's statements were very controversial on many levels, although freedom of speech is not really one of them, since one of his critics was not the US Government. - MrX 19:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather than a "fuller picture of the subject", I'd prefer that the readers have the complete picture.  If the sole issue is whether or not Cathy was anti-gay (for which he is legendary in Georgia), then it is factual to state that he gave money to organizations whose primary political and societal mission is to limit the expansion of LGBT rights.  That puts the onus on the organizations rather than Cathy himself. Vertium When all is said and done 16:49, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:BLP]] applies

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message: It is a distortion of Wikipedia policy to refrain from coverage of the nationally public controversy over Cathy's WinShape foundation providing substantial funds to groups reported as being against homosexual persons and groups. Now editors are bending over backward to preserve an artificial "neutrality" by leaving this out; the content was thoroughly reported by reliable, mainstream national media. What can be included here is the controversy. Fine for him to say he was not "anti-gay"; his money supported groups that are known to be.Parkwells (talk) 13:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: His son Dan T. Cathy's article does refer to the controversy, as well as his own efforts to work with representatives of gay organizations and to redirect grants of foundation and company funding. It should also be noted in Truett Cathy's article.Parkwells (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Distortion of WP to refrain from using RS

message: Was Mr. Cathy anti-gay. 2601:2C6:4780:83C0:3454:A318:D672:A5E (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homophobia