Talk:Conan (2007 video game)

message: I am going to clean up this article in the next few days with a rewrite.  Development, character and reception sections will be expanded.  My sources currently come from online sites, but I welcome anyone to provide information on the game's development from print sources (e.g. Game Informer March 2007 issue #167). Jappalang (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: —now for the polishing up and later, the assessments. Jappalang (talk) 03:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Shouldn't there be a dab link to the 2004 game? --Mika1h (talk) 11:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah yes, thank you.  I just inserted it in.  Hope that did the trick. Jappalang (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 rewrite 

message: Before anything else I've upped the rating to B. The work you've put in is very impressive Jappalang. I would like to offer a conditional support for A class, but would like to see these fixed before offering full support:
Lead
*The article lead does not describe gameplay, it does cover gore and tits, but not what the player actually does, the environments etc.
*Looking at the article, this could quite possibly be expanded to three paragraphs, there's plenty of material here.
*: Working on it.
*: Done.  Inserted a middle paragraph detailing gameplay.
Gameplay
*"a unique enemy who is more powerful than the standard fodder." A little casual?
*: Done. Changed to "foes".
*The last paragraph (runes) is pretty short, could it be put behind the first paragraph to create two beefy paragraphs of a similar size?
*: Not certain, but I think I can add on one or two sentence about the magic in the game to this last paragraph.
*: Done.  Added an overview of magic in the game.
*I only played briefly, but I remember that there was some kind of time-limited 'thing' where you have to activate the next hotspot before the chain breaks in order to get something - could this be covered?
*: Umm, no, I do not think there is.  You may have mixed up the last boss fight—a tedious "turn the wheel, run away, jump and duck over tentacles and oil men, turn the wheel, fight Graven, press buttons, turn the wheel, ... (repeat sequence 3 times)".  
Plot and Setting
*"cooing corny lines" needs to be quoted or reworded.
*: Done. Reworded.  Hope this edit sounds better.
*Story - the last 3/4 are uncited, this is the biggest problem I can see with the article.
*: Looks like I have to go play it again.  This will take some time.
*: Done. Okay, instead of populating it fully with quotes from the game, I added in references from reviews that summarized early and mid parts of the story.  For the later portions, I used the in-game quotes.
Development and Reception
*There are instances of more than two citations at the end of sentences, ideally two would be the maximum.
*: Yeah, but I have seen several reviewers commenting that the number of citations should give weight to the statement (i.e. "most", "many", should show several sources, while "several" would be two).
That's it, the images are all decked out with FURs and tags, references are all filled out. Someoneanother 10:51, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, my home PC's power supply went bust on me, so further changes may take another day or two. Thank you for the comments and assessement so far.  Jappalang (talk) 04:22, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay, I think I have addressed what is clearly needed—lead, gameplay, tone.  Let us discuss on the other points.  Jappalang (talk) 06:26, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks absolutely fine, particularly the plot section, thank you. The only thing that stood out after another read-through was the list line in plot: "while A'kanna grows old in a village." Could you rephrase that to something like 'grew old peacefully in a village' or whatever fits in with the story? I'm fully supporting A-class so hopefully someone else will add their input. Someoneanother 07:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for the assessment and support.  I also expanded A'kanna's fate a little more and as a contrast to Conan's destiny. Jappalang (talk) 09:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A pleasure. Kung Fu Man has supported A-class as well so I've rated the article accordingly, good luck with the GA attempt. Someoneanother 00:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikiproject videogame assessment

message: If this is going to be a good article, the second paragraph is going to need sources. There's alot of bold claims made there about critisism, but none of them are cited. One of the good article criteria is no original research. Statements like "...failed to match the experience offered in God of War, which the game largely copied its ideas from." are not only OR, but pretty opinionated.--Koji†Dude (C) 17:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, the references have been inserted. Jappalang (talk) 04:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: Hi—wow, this is a very good-looking article already! I'm very impressed. So far I've gone over the lead section and, other than the fact that I'd rather see "Golden Globe-winning" with a hyphen, the only potential tweaks I notice are some redundancies. The second paragraph has 4 occurrences of "players" and the 3rd has back-to-back occurrences of "received" and the slightly-awkward "for his music for the game". I've come up with some possible replacements for these, which I'll put up all in one edit, for easy reverting if there are any objections. :)
Oh, one other thing. I noticed the table in the Reception section. Very nice idea. But wouldn't something like "Ratings" or "Reviewer Ratings" make a better title? --AnnaFrance (talk) 14:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, AnnaFrance.  The changes you have done look great.  I changed the "ability" to "abilities" as game has four magical powers in play (petrification, conjuration of firestorms, summoning of ravens, and conjuration of a "black hole"), so the turning of enemies into stone and conjuring of firestorms are two separate magical abilities, not one.  I have taken your suggestion to the table in the Reception and used its default title of "Reviews" (my use of "Conan" as the title was inappropriate, according to the template documentation on reading it).  Looking forward to the rest of the article being spruced up.  Thank you again.  Jappalang (talk) 00:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone over the article a couple of times now, and I'm not seeing any more significant changes to make. As before, very few changes I made were in any way "corrections". It was mostly an attempt to vary the vocabulary a bit and tighten up a few sentences. Please go back over everything to make sure my changes didn't alter meanings inappropriately. I really think the article is looking very good. --AnnaFrance (talk) 15:35, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedit 

message: If you going to puch for FAC, firstly I'd add more referrences to the introduction as it just a a few in what is alarge amount of text. Stabby Joe (talk) 13:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: References are to be added for controvesial statements.  Furthermore, there are movements to move away from citing every line in the lead (just like the current move to delink autoformatting every full date).  Per WP:LEADCITE, "Because the lead will usually repeat information also in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material."  Anyway, the article is currently at FAC and under scrutiny.  Jappalang (talk) 22:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By no means should every line have a referrence. However there few paragraphs have less than even none per paragraph. If this "movement" results in no requirment then never mind about it, however since thats not the case I was just putting it out there as the FAC as you've said puts things under scrutiny... alot nowadays... But its great you have expanded this page regardless of FAC or not. Stabby Joe (talk) 00:36, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problems.  I just hope the changes are enough to make the article an FA.  Jappalang (talk) 00:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction referrences 

message: Since it seems that an FAC will fail unless a certain number of Supports are assured, this section is for rooting out any failings the article has, for an FA.  For reference, please refer to the last FAC in the ArticleHistory at the top of this page.  Jappalang (talk) 00:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did the whole player/barbarian thing get ironed out with laser? (as I'm rewriting Fable I suddenly realized I was having the same problem.) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 01:44, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would think so.  Laser said that he found your argument for first-person playing experience more acceptable when referring to the avatar as the "player".  Seems like for games that presents a more divorced (or less than immersive) experience, it would be better to avoid referring to the avatar as "player".  In any case, I have reworded the gameplay section to specify Conan (barbarian, hero, or character) when referring to in-game actions (e.g. killings, dodging), and only use players for out-of-game actions (e.g. button-pressing, exchanging points for attacks).  Jappalang (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't re-read the article yet but you clearly have an understanding of where I was coming from so I don't anticipate any problems.  I will go back over the article tomorrow and either make new to-do list or just fix things as I go.  Hopefully you can get this promoted! --Laser brain (talk) 03:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-FAC threshing out session 

message: *In music:
**"After mastering the soundtrack"- as in, CD mastering? it's not exactly clear whether you mean that or "master" as in verb " acquire complete knowledge or skill ".
**: Wiki-linked it to master recording.  Jappalang (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarifications

message: :*... that California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, who played Conan the Barbarian in the 1982 film, proposed a law in 2007 for regulating the sales of violent video games such as Conan? Jappalang (talk) 09:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did you know... 

message: I need someone's help in putting clarifying information about CERO rating somewhere in this article. Basically, all gory images for body damages were removed and topless women were covered up and wore bra-tops for Japanese release. That's why CERO rating is C but without this information, it will look like the Japanese release is abnormally low. --Revth (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on CERO rating 

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