Talk:Isaac Brock (musician)

message: I removed the final sentence of the entry that read " Judge, Justin "magician" Cole preceeded over the trial."  At first I noticed that "preceeded" was likely intended to be "presided", and then I realized most judges don't have nicknames like amateur boxers, and the full sentence is probably junk. 70.108.70.148 00:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed possible vandalism

message: Er. Forgive my lack of knowledge in editing this, but Last.fm has pretty much the same exact article about Isaac.
http://www.last.fm/music/Isaac+Brock/+wiki
I don't know who's copying who, I just thought it should be brought to attention. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.0.185.120 (talk • contribs) 9 March 2006.
:The Last.fm article was copied from Wikipedia on Mar 4, 2006, 12:13; see the Last.fm page history. --Muchness 02:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Identical article

message: Does anyone have any info about the black eye he had when he appeared on Comedy Central's New Years show thingy? They came out under the name of "Timid Turtle" - and he had a big black eye. Fight? Sgarza 18:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: he got it at the last german show after a couple guys got too rowdy on booze and apparently threw a bottle at him after the show/before. see your magazines that cover this for an article from aroudn the time (im pretty sure its in pitchfork) 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black eye? 

message: Can we please sign our posts to the discussion pages? --Rhombus 21:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balls_to_the_wall 97.135.126.45 (talk) 20:24, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sign posts, please! 

message: I know most of this article is BS.  I grew up with Isaac in Issaquah and graduated at the same high school in 1994(this is bull shit isacc droped out after tenth grade dont belive me go to youtube and look at all 5 parts of the modest mouse untitled documentary).  I saw where he lived from the time he was in 4th grade till 8th then we ran in diffrent circles.  He lived in appartments next to the elementry school.  He then went to the alternitive high school.  As far as the father thing I dont know and before that I dont know and after high school I dont know.  But best of luck to him. Its all nice on ice apparently.    
Signed 
Future MD of America —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.147.3.25 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 10 May 2006.
:Without verifiable sources we can't add this info to the article – see WP:V. --Muchness 09:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be vandalism/nonsense...If you really grew up with him, prove it...I don't know how you would, but whatever. Arnesh 11:13, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: na, alot of the band stories are pretty made up. esp the ugly cassanova stuff, which they have admited making up. honestly ive always felt this story was little too ridiculous to be real, but its all part of the modest mouse grandeur68.45.172.216 07:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probaby true, but you can't put uncited info in the article. I've heard lots of different stories of  Mouse's background, but this one is pretty much the only one with a citation. A lot of the things don't add up too, like the fact that the memebers on Sad Sappy Sucker, their first recordings, was made up of Isaac, Jeremiah, Dann, and John, but they said that in their very beginnings, the band just started with Isaac, Jeremiah, and Eric. Heh, this band seems to be shrouded in rumors and bullshit. Oh well... Arnesh 11:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard many different versions of Isaac's story. Most, however, say he grew up in a trailer and is actually, as of 2007, 32 years old, http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/modestmouse/articles/story/6298112/modest_mouse_roar. Donomight 03:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe him.The Saint Fink (talk) 00:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

text: why don't you geniuses actually cite the documentary? 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:17, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bull C#@P 

message: Half of the posts on this talk page have nothing to do with this article and are basically just are arguements that basically boil down to "Modest Mouse sucks! Brock is an asshole!" or "Brock's lyrics have changed my life.", etc. Even talk pages have limits. I'm going to remove these unconstructive comments. Only post things that will actually improve this article. Arnesh 11:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should be lenient as to what is placed on the discussion pages. 80.47.225.147 12:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad. Arnesh 11:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is not a music forum/myspace 

message: I know this sounds rude, but I really like I'm not sure. if it's an accent or a lisp that he has, but I like the tone it brings to his voice. Does anyone happen to know anything about this? JavaDog 22:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I rather favor it. I was wondering if it has some kind of name to it? JavaDog 01:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: he has a lisp, and a unique singing style. there's various articles (unremembered by the poster) that mention this, or have him talking about his unique sing-talking style and how people didn't really like it, and if they booed they'd play "crazy gnome". 76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: what is a lisp?--The Saint Fink (talk) 02:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accent/Lisp? 

message: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/Isaac_Brock_SelfMutilates_at_South_Dakota_Gig#41806
This seems notable, and there is your source, which links to 2 YouTube videos further validating the claim. Is this potential libelous? FerventDove 22:50, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Self Mutilation

message: Brock's drug use isn't really mentioned in his article for whatever reason. 
While playing Out Of Gas from a live 1997 Seattle show I can clearly hear him say "out of speed out of crank out of blow out of what I need to go." Powerful stuff (just my biased opinion) - if anyone wants to use it in any additions to this article. 76.17.40.86 18:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When songs reference something, it doesn't mean they're about the songwriter or singer personally. TooManyFingers (talk) 22:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: he is agnostic, or was for most of the career of modest mouse to this date.. although he's changed many things in his life and cleaned up.. dropped drugs, etc... his religious status is debatable, and various sources would be contradictory. a lyrical 'source' of former agnosticism.. "I was in heaven, I was in hell; believe in neither but fear them as well" (from Doin' The Cockroach)76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doin' The Cockroach seems to be about a limbo-like hell businessmen lived in; I highly doubt it was about himself. But if it was about him, believing in neither heaven nor hell would denote atheism, not agnosticism. Night On The Sun (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Use 

message: What does it mean to say that Brock and his mother "moved around in different offshoot circles?" Does that mean suburbs? Social circles? Offshoots of what? A religion?
::his mother was in cults and dragged him to some of them (to find my articles for sources later)76.202.215.91 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "offshoot circles?" 

message: Just brief question: Is "not really religious" synonymous with atheism?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.131.217 (talk) 22:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Atheism

message: im sorry to say that but this article is REALLY bad. i feel like im reading some gossip tabloid "what a bad guy!" maybe we could focus on musical content?--MIRROR (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedic content? 

message: Is it accurate to still call Modest Mouse "indie"? I thought that indie was short for independent, meaning that they self release, which is what they were in the beginning. But now that they've signed with Sony, are they still considered indie?
Thanks in advance. Night On The Sun (talk) 20:03, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modest Mouse no longer indie 

message: Wasn't he charged with attempted murder following a DUI incident? Maybe that should be mentioned in the personal life section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.46.97 (talk) 18:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if you can provide a reliable reference. Canterbury Tail talk 00:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He dislocated the thumb of someone who gave him some laughing gas, in Oregon that's considered attempted murder.. Dougweller (talk) 11:41, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted Murder Charge 

message: Reinstated material about the church using a Guardian interview which has more material.. Dougweller (talk) 11:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on getting the Grace Church material properly sourced. I came to edit this article because the original editor seemed to have an agenda. All their edits were over a brief period of time, and they added almost the same thing across a number of different articles. I believe they were acting in good faith, and the assertions may or may not be true, but the referencing was horrible. I also felt that factual or not, their tunnel vision focus on the religious heritage of various entertainers seemed to ignore the context of the individual articles and how relevant or important the fact may be there. Willondon (talk) 14:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Although Brock does seem to see it as significant in his case. Dougweller (talk) 14:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And Wikipedia unfolds as it should. Reviewing the original editor's opus, all of the edits were reversed by various editors of the corresponding articles, except for this one. I'm happy to see the edit stay as is. I think the original editor was acting in good faith, and between you me and he, Wikipedia is improved a bit at a time. Willondon (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grace Gospel Church and a useful new source 

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message: Given the statement on Brock's relationship with Lisa Molinaro, it would seem reasonable to conclude that this child was born to her; this interview- https://www.ploverorganic.com/blogs/good-in-bed/lisa-molinaro-musician- indicates her to be living with Brock in February 2018. At any rate the statement in the article is marked as requiring a citation. Presumably this- https://hightimes.com/culture/music/cheap-therapy-modest-mouse-using-cannabis-better-mental-health/ - is the "High Times" source mentioned, which provides: "On the other hand, Brock, who is also a new father, has his reservations. 'I got a newborn daughter and I’m not looking forward to not being around her for five months,' Brock admits." The site states this feature was originally published in the July 2018 issue of High Times magazine. Given the fact that in February 2018 Lisa Molinaro was established as living with Brock, and by July that year the daughter was born, it seems not unlikely that the child is hers. However, discussion started "8 months ago" on the band's Reddit (naturally, not encyclopaedic)- https://www.reddit.com/r/ModestMouse/comments/e648sb/is_it_true_that_isaac_brock_has_kids/ - seems to indicate otherwise, with some commenting Brock and Molinaro broke up "two years ago" (i.e. 2018), notwithstanding the Plover Organic interview with Lisa Molinaro. Just thought these details belonged here if only "for the record"!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.68.54 (talk) 23:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Daughter b. 2018

message: Was he intentionally named for the British/Canadian army officer who died in 1812? TooManyFingers (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name