Talk:Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss

message: We need to deal with bypassing this disambig page (check Special:Whatlinkshere/Ultima Underworld. I will do a few here and there later.--Drat (Talk) 06:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now that the articles have been split... 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Underworld2.png

message: Abstract: (I am going off memory from over ten years ago)
The king's daughter is kidnapped from the castle tower by a "monster" (possibly a gorilla) and the king asks you to rescue her and rid his kingdom of this menace, which is followed by the king's guard to the entrance of the labyrinth.  You must succeed where others have tried and failed.  It is up to you to brave the damp, dark secrets of the cavernous abyss below.  Beware of monsters, goblins, traps, secret chambers.... learn new skills and abilities in order to overcome your foe and save the princess. (more to follow;currently deployed)Mabryp (talk) 05:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storyline of Ultima Underworld 

message: I'd like to merge in Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss and Ultima Underworld II: Labyrinth of Worlds to this article. There is no need for 3 articles about 2 games, especially when there is a lot of overlap in gameplay, plot, setting, etc. The other two should be merged in or this page should be redirected. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 02:01, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like it could be a good idea given the bulk of those two articles, and serve to give some much needed muscle to this one.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agreed on there not being 3 articles needed for 2 games, but slapping them both in here is going to stifle any potential expansion. The only overlap is gameplay, which is but one of the four major aspects of a game article. These games will have been substantially reviewed in the sources at the time, allgame has an overview and review for each game. Do a google book search for "Ultima Underworld" and take a look at the results, these are both very historically important games and it would be a great shame to hobble them in one article like a series of scarcely notable flash games with patchy sources. I think this article should be a redirect to the first game. Someoneanother 03:34, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for merging Ultima Underworld into Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss, if there are no objections. The collab would then be Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss. OK? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 03:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If Someoneanother's good with that, I'm good with that.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:29, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally :) Someoneanother 04:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I just copied the entirety of the text, and shoved it in there (and the talk page). I also fixed the collab link to point at the merged article. Not all of the text applies, nor does that second picture. Does anyone have a screen-capture utility? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 04:57, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Screen capture, for what? Gary King (talk) 17:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Gameplay. There was a cap of #II in the gameplay section of the merged series page, but obviously that doesn't work in #1. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 17:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can find some screenshots of the game online. I'd be surprised if someone here had the game installed. Gary King (talk) 18:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

text:  Just want to throw in my two cents and say that the merge is a good idea. There is a lot of redundancy between these articles. Randomran (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't the original merge proposal to merge into Ultima Underworld rather than redirect Ultima Underworld? I think that the two games should just have a single "series" page.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 18:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The proposal was rejected above, as both games lack content, not notability. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 19:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I'm off to work and have no time to edit, but take a look at this The Story of Ultima Underworld from the Co-Founder of Looking Glass Studios. Mentions the influence of Wizardry and it's lack of graphics. Also, we haven't even touched on the Windows Mobile version in the text. That version even has it's own reviews. I think this article could end up being really good. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 19:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Did some digging, this review is mirrored from quandaryland.com, a now-defunct Australian game site. Can't yet find any info on older reviews. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 09:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, http://www.stygianabyss.com/uw/uwarticles.asp. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 09:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: *Excellent! Those will be very useful. I'll start working them in right away. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey collaborators! 

message: According to Wikipedia's assessment guidelines, this is considered a "low" article for the purpose of importance.  There's no way it could conceivably be rated higher, as it is a relatively obscure game despite its strong sales and critical reception. —  Levi van Tine (t – c) 14:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concede. —  Levi van Tine (t – c) 07:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance level 

message: There was once a quite active open source project which aimed to re-implement the engine of Ultima Underworld. It was quite playable but has been discontinued. Should it be mentioned in the article anyway? The link is here. --Darkstar (talk) 22:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Underworld Adventures

message: I found these:
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*Computer Shopper review
*LA Times review
*Possibly related PRNewswire article
*GameSpot list
*IGN list
*IGN list
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I'll add more here as I find it. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 20:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference material 

message: "a believable 3D world" makes sense, it certainly not a "realistic" world.  A lot of the changes seem to have no purpose, and aren't accurate.   The quote "required a bit of imagination to achieve suspension of disbelief" was replaced with made it difficult for the player to achieve suspension of disbelief.  Better the original way.  I'm changing it back.  Discuss it here please.  Dream Focus 23:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent changes 

message: The "Release" section was added by the disruptive (and now blocked) editor User:Niemti back in November. There isn't enough material on the release of Underworld to warrant such a section--as I know, because I personally dug up the research material for this article. The information he added to the section that was not already present in the article is cruft. Who on earth cares what the advertisements for the game said? The same information could be included in any article, and it would be equally worthless. 
In addition, the paragraph on ZIO Interactive belongs in the Legacy section, which (contrary to User:Dream Focus's claim) is where I placed it. If there was enough material to warrant a Release section, then the ZIO Interactive information could be included there--but there isn't enough information. Even Niemti placed a expansion tag on the section. 
Finally, the line "required a bit of imagination to achieve suspension of disbelief" is absolutely not necessary to quote. It can be paraphrased easily, and it is regular FA practice to paraphrase quotes whenever possible.
In conclusion, I'm reverting back to my edits. Discuss here before changing them again. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 17:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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message: curious why my changes were reverted?
I thought in particular that the panel discussion of the texture mapping tech by its author was relevant. It even contains a slide showing a recreation of underworld's texture mapping source code.
Is there some wikipedia policy about not having people edit things about themselves?
(I am Chris Green, the author of UU's texture mapping code)
Aachrisg (talk) 08:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  why were my changes reverted?