Talk:John Lindsay

message: The lead section is outrageously POV.  I am replacing it with a more factual lead section. Ortcutt 06:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to New York Times article repaired--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Article accurately reflects what the source tells us.   (And good luck to anyone who tries to get by on Medicare alone.) Tvoz/talk 00:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Lead Section

message: The references that do exist, only 1 is in the format preferred for wiki. I also agree that this has some major POV issues. I will be looking into flagging this article for both. UnseemlyWeasel 04:03, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link to New York Times article repaired--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced as well

message: Article has been cleaned up imho --Work permit (talk) 04:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing POV

message: What about some mention of the widespread police corruption that he allowed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.236.138 (talk) 10:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Serpico

message: "..., Lindsay in the 1990s was left in failing health and without health insurance. Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani appointed Lindsay to several largely ceremonial posts as a way to qualify him for municipal health insurance.[33]"
Lindsay was 65 in 1986, and thus age-eligible for Medicare. So it isn't obvious how he was "without health insurance" in the nineties.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.65.211 (talk) 23:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Article accurately reflects what the source tells us.   (And good luck to anyone who tries to get by on Medicare alone.) Tvoz/talk 00:21, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Without health insurance

message: Perhaps this page is improved since the original call for attention in 2005, but it remains quite biased both in what is included (for instance quoting only historical assessments critical of Lindsay) and what is not (last I looked, Lindsay's tenure is most famous for his efforts to reach out to minorities, especially african-americans and his success in keeping NYC calm the night MLK died and many cities erupted in riots.  This is not mentioned in the article even though it is his chief claim to fame.)  Many items seem to be included not because of historical importance but purely to color the readers view of the man. 
Equally of concern, I instantly came across numerous instances of plagiarism from the (more complete) NYT obituary.
I know a lot of you old people are still settling scores with the man, but those of us less emotionally invested would appreciate a more dispassionate treatment of a historical figure and his no-doubt ambiguous legacy TheCormac (talk) 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good changes.  I added another positive comment under legacy.  I did restore the quote on little Sheba, as it was well publicisized (though I'm not wedded to it if you feel strongly about it).  Some of your edits didn't refelect the sources, so I changed them to reflect the sources. I'll start going through the sources and paraphrase where there are signs of plagiarism--Work permit (talk) 04:28, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree that his success in keeping NYC calm deserves at least a paragraph.  Would you be willing to to do that?--Work permit (talk) 04:36, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Given the concerns of bias in the article, i specifically avoided adding references to lindsays service on the Kerner Commission.  The report was largely ignored by the president who commisioned it and later lambasted on a number of fronts.--Work permit (talk) 04:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: that's ok. But since the Kerner commission did exist, and he did serve on it, it warrants mentioning, even if it was an ineffectual or controversial body. Someone will probably put that bit in. Mang (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Okay, I've put some in. It still needs work, but I found some decent sources. My personal takeaway while researching to make constructive edits is that Lindsay had good intentions, but wasn't great at managing a city. Lindsay-lovers and Lindsay-haters both have their opinions to this day at , and there are a lot of 'em. Mang (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Renewed Call for Attention

message: Was Lindsay term limited or defeated? Here in the UK the tale is often told of how Lindsay could out charismatic JFK but was defeated by a boring dull opponent who turned it against him by running on a slogan like "had enough of charisma". Is this a true tale or a myth from misremembering? Timrollpickering (talk) 13:59, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In 1973, Lindsay declined to seek a third term and was succeeded by Abe Beame.  In 1977, Ed Koch ran and won using the slogan, "After eight years of charisma and four years of the clubhouse, it's time for a working mayor."Bellczar (talk) 17:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defeated or not? 

message: Still does not have a NPOV for example his positive role after the Martin Luther King riots is entirely absent. See, for example, http://www.themorningnews.org/article/the-night-new-york-avoided-a-riot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.201.244   (talk • contribs) 02:30, May 2, 2013‎
: The article needs work, but note that there is actually no discussion here about POV, just some old comments. And  Lindsay's work to avert riots in NY is alluded to in the section about his re-election campaign.  Feel free to help improve the article - it needs it. Tvoz/talk 01:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A section was added on king riots, kerner commission.  I've removed the pov tag.  --Work permit (talk) 06:39, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: POV claim

message: "It was said that when he left, he broke down and cried over the fact he did not do more as mayor."
Uncited weasel phrasing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.119.204.117 (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was said? 

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message: In the beginning of "renewed call for attention" section of Talk, above, a writer (in 2010) mentions the negative reviews in the "assessment" section, which is exactly what I noticed when reading the article. Nearly all the reviews - which are mere opinions, not facts - are negative. Would the article be any worse if the entire Assessment section was removed?Browntable (talk) 21:13, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: better to add postive assesments imho Work permit (talk) 04:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment section