Talk:Jeff Koons

message: Shouldnt it be mentioned that he doesnt actually BUILD his work, or in a lot of cases, even design it. Most of the time he just calls someone with a concept and they do the rest.
If the Andy Warhol section has room for this nature of critisim I feel this one definetly does. This is definetly a neutural thing that needs to be recorded about this guy.
--jakers  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.106.52.10 (talk) 13:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think these aspects are mentioned in the article. However, you can include any other these comments as long as there is a reliable source.Warrenking (talk) 00:30, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: shouldn't this be mentioned?

message: He rendered a drawing similar to his famous "Tulip Balloons" for placement on the front page of the Internet search engine Google. The drawing greeted all who visited Google's main page on April 30, 2008.
"Greeted"?? Is Wikipedia Nostradamus now? This article refers to the future in the past tense! I know its only for a day, but still, this is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.1.126.79 (talk) 09:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Travel

message: Recently added to the article:
:"Much of the controversy surrounding Koons in the art world concerns the fact that he personally has no discernable talent as an artist.  Koons is frequently derided by critics for his practice of using his Wall Street acquired wealth to commission young, unknown artists to create artworks for him and which Koons then claims as his own."
Statements like this need to be put into context and references made to reputable sources. See WP:NPOV and WP:NOR. Dystopos 23:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Wow. People sure are passionate about their kitschy art, aren't they? Reminds me of a recent debate I commented on in the Darth Vader article. Fans are fans wherever you go, I suppose. VeniceBruin, I really do think it wouldn't hurt you to tone down your rhetoric a bit. Aesthetics is hardly a matter of objective truth.
Executive Summary: I think you're both right. 
First, it seems unnecessary to remove the paragraph. I find it, at the very least, amusingly informative. Secondly, it seems to focus, inappropriately, on just one of his works (it is, after all, a short article). Rather than continue this back-and-forth revert war, why not each of you insert a paragraph describing one of major works in similar detail? Problem solved! 
BTW – VeniceBruin makes reference to some other page where Koons' work is discussed. I didn't see any such page referenced in the article. Did I miss it?—Parker Whittle 23:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You read me wrong. You mentioned a page for discussing Koons' work. Is there such a page on Wikipedia? If not, is there a prohibition to discussing an artists' works in a separate section on the Wikipedia article for that artist?—Parker Whittle 00:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a fine argument. Personally, I don't much care for Koons' work, but I wouldn't see anything that would qualify as "puff" in the paragraph about the canus flora major. In short, the paragraph is informative, and encyclopedic. However, the article's too short for it. Rather than deleting it, add a new section, "Works," or something like that, with a paragraph on each of Koons' major works. Then, go ahead and let our other erstwhile editor add the paragraph about "Puppy".—Parker Whittle 00:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Excellent suggestion. Given your level of interest in the subject, I think it would be great if you were to start it. Good luck to both of you!—Parker Whittle 00:55, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with the suggestion. Koons undoubtedly deserves a much longer article. Unfortunately, as an intellectually lazy non-scholar I am ill-qualified to be of much use. If the other contributors will assist me by providing links to writing about Koons's more important work, I will do what little I can. In the meantime, I will also preserve the section at issue, which I believe is mischaracterized as a "puff piece". Dystopos 02:50, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Outside comment

message: I read the article and the discussion page. I rewrote the whole thing. I have incorporated all points of view but in a balanced context. Previously there was a distinct partisan (anti Koons) stance. Whether one is for or against Koons is irrelevant. Wiki is here to provide a NPOV on Koons' place in the (art) world. I trust it will be acceptable that I have removed the POV tag, as otherwise it would appear to apply to my article. It did not take that much research to compile a much more thorough biog, and it struck me that if all the energy that went into the discussion page clash had gone into contributing to the article - well, it would have saved me the work for one thing. I think there is an important lesson to be learnt here, if you'll excuse the preaching - it is better to expend ones efforts making it right rather than in dispute over what is wrong. Peace. And knowledge.
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*Nice job. There are still some broad opinions in there, but I guess it's almost impossible to discuss a contemporary and controversial artist without reference to diverse possibilities of interpretation. Your lesson by example is valuable. I hope you'll create an account and continue contributing. (FYI, you can sign your posts by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your post.) Dystopos 01:29, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: COMPLETE REVISION 30 AUGUST 2005

message: I have removed the POV tag, as there is no justification or explanation given on this page for placing it in the article section, nor can I see any obvious POV in that section, as it gives a balanced report on the different views of Koons' work that exist. Please note that POV refers to the Wiki editor's POV, not to the sources quoted. In other words, it is not the Wiki editor's job to assess outside commentators' for their objectivity: that is up to them. It is the Wiki editor's job to give a balanced survey of them. Tyrenius 02:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag removed

message: Hi! Long ago I was chatting with a film critic pal who mentioned Koons as an example of a newer sort of artist: one whose contribution is the idea, getting other people to do the actual sculpting. This came to mind again when I was reading an short article on Koons, but I don't see any mention of that here. Is something like that worth including? William Pietri 15:16, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is very relevant and should be included.  It was common in Renaissance art.  Mark Kostabi was criticized by having works produced by subordinates.--Gkklein 06:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koons as "idea guy"? 

message: What happened to the photo??--Gkklein 06:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the photo?? 

message: "The crucial point of Koons is to reject an alleged hidden meaning of a work of art. The meaning is only what you perceive at the first glance, there is no gap between what the work is in itself and what is perceived."
From Koons's own comments this is not correct. He argued (for example in the Taschen book of his work from the 1990s) that the posters of basketball stars were about social mobility, that the alcohol adverts were about class, and that the equilibrium tanks were a counterpoint to the basketball posters. There is also the personal content of "Celebration", which puts the work in a very different light if you know that he was denied access to his son while making that series.
Koons is difficult to categorize. He was lumped in with the Neo Geo artists for no good reason, he isn't a Simulationist, and Late Pop doesn't really do him justice. He's probably a Neoconceptualist in the current scheme of things. You can make a strong case for him being Warhol's heir, but he identifies himself as being more conceptual than Warhol.
I'll rework this section if that's OK.
Rob Myers 12:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characterization Of Koons's Work 

message: I am restoring the link to the mutualart.com link.  That site has two links which are (1) an extensive (complete?) 12 page list of Koons' exhibitions (link: "Artist Biography") and (2) a collection of dozens of articles on Koons (link: "View artist timeline").  I assume this was deleted because it was viewed as spam, but these are in fact significant resources for this article.  Ecphora (talk) 00:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mutualart.com link 

message: I have added a link to a video of the artist showing some of his works in the making at his studio in New York City. I think it provides a valuable insight into the work process and some of Koons' ideas about art. T.Broch 16:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New external link 

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message: The Jeff Koons Article states two different birth dates.  It has 21 January in the opening sentence, but states 25 January in the facts under his photo.  The short Bio in Oxford Art Online,  shows his birth facts as "b York, PA, 21 Jan 1955."  I hope this helps.
"Koons, Jeff." In Grove Art Online. Oxford Art Online, http://www.oxfordartonline.com.ezproxy.umuc.edu/subscriber/article/grove/art/T047348 (accessed January 21, 2012). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cllewi3 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth date discrepancy 

message: Does anybody know how to expand the infobox so that it includes infobox person? I tried, but don't seem to have the knack.  There is info such as spouses, children, etc. that would be good to add. Tx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epeefleche (talk • contribs) 08:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: 1. We're told that Koons spoke "about four words of Italian". Does that mean three words, or five words, or what - and which words were they? Since he obviously spoke little or no Italian, why not just say so? 2. "Let go" for "fired" (the interpreter who fell in love with Koons "had to be let go") is US management-speak and surely has no business in a Wikipedia article!213.127.210.95 (talk) 12:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sloppy style 

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message: I've created redirects for many of Koons' works of art, including:
* The Pre-New (Koons)
* The New (Koons)
* Balloon Dog
* Balloon Dog (Orange)
* Tulips (Koons)
* Jim Beam J.B. Turner Train
* Balloon Flower (Magenta)
* Diamond (Blue)
* Hanging Heart (Magenta/Gold)
* Tulip Balloons
* Lady Bug (Koons)
* Ballerinas (Koons)
* Metallic Venus
* Hulk (Organ)
* Hulks (Bell)
* Hulk (Friends)
* Hulk Elvis
* Split-Rocker
* Easyfun-Ethereal
* Balloon Monkey
* Balloon Rabbit
* Hanging Heart
* Celebration (Koons)
* Puppy (Koons)
* Luxury and Degradation
*  Rabbit (Koons)
* Total Equilibrium Tanks
* The Equilibrium Series
These works are mentioned in the article's prose, and can be expanded if independently notable. Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:42, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've turned Rabbit (Koons) into a stub. ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Can we remove the "This article relies largely or entirely on a single source" notice from Play-Doh (sculpture)? And add a photo? Bus stop (talk) 14:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects 

message: I notice that in the Made in HeavenSection, the second word in this work's title is pasted over with asterisks. On many other Wikipedia pages, such words are not censored. Why censor "asshole" here? And, who will fix this? 72.84.181.125 (talk) 00:29, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: The real title: Ilona's Asshole

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