Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Ancient Egyptian race controversy/Proposed decision

message: Can this please be extended to, at the very least, Race of ancient Egyptians? Both these articles would be better than one, in my opinion. Picaroon (t) 22:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. Moreschi  If you've written a quality article... 22:12, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article probation 

message: Rollback is now to be made available to non-admins, is already available to non-admins through Twinkle, and can also be accessed via the inbuilt Undo function.  I don't think use of rollback is such a big deal these days.  Guy (Help!) 10:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback 

message: You might as well deal with the issues concerning Bakasuprman and Deeceevoice now. If you don't I will simply request brand new cases the minute this one closes, copy-pasting the evidence submitted here and doubling the Arbcom's case load :) Both these users commented very vociferously at the RFC and have long histories with Dbachmann. They were a major part of the build-up to this case. Given that, it's not unreasonable to make them parties to the case and examine their conduct as well. Thinking practically the problems concerning these users should be dealt with now, because if they are not I will not let the matter die. Moreschi  If you've written a quality article... 22:06, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Moreschi that another case should not be required, but it will be filed if necessary. I had considered filing a case regarding the edit-warring and incivility on race-related articles, but held off; had I filed it, it would not have been about any specific user, but instead about the generally unacceptable situation. Is the only reason you don't want to consider these directly involved users now (as opposed to in a few weeks, when another case has been accepted, as it surely will) the fact that Futurebird filed a case first, and made it exclusively about Dbachmann? Dbachmann's behavior is clearly not the extent of the dispute; why not address the whole issue here? Kirill voted to accept saying "Accept to examine the behavior of all parties", after all.Picaroon (t) 22:28, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Moreschi and Picaroon. "Kirill voted to accept saying 'Accept to examine the behavior of all parties', after all". Exactly. I think many people devoted time and effort to giving evidence in this case on the understanding this was its scope. --Folantin (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) I agree with Picaroon and Moreschi. And our policy and case pages make it clear that we look at all involved parties. They were aware of the case. I see no reason to put off the inevitable. FloNight (talk) 22:35, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Uninvited 

message: Out of curiosity, what will happen if both proposed remedies for Bakasuprman (1. Banned for 1 year; 2. Restricted) are passed? Would the revert restriction be applied after Baka is unbanned? Nishkid64 (talk) 22:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The closing clerk would round up the arbitrators and get them to work out which they prefer (if the support comments didn't make the general preference clear). If both pass, the ban would be applied as it is worded; the restriction would be moot, as it is assumed to run contemporaneously with the ban unless otherwise stated. Picaroon (t) 22:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now the two proposals are alternatives. It is possible for remedies to be combined or run consecutively, but I don't see a need to do that here. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question regarding proposed remedies 

message: I've chucked some new evidence in: 
Moreschi  If you've written a quality article... 23:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rather late in the day 

message: At least one of the arbitrators who indicated support for a proposal before the end of 2007, User:Fred Bauder, is apparently no longer an arbitrator. Given that there has been a counterproposal on some of the decisions created since his term ended, would he still be eligible to vote on the counterproposal, or would he be ineligible to vote on the counterproposal, and how if at all would that change the number of supporters required for proposals to be approved? John Carter (talk) 20:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fred is still an arbiter for the purposes of this case; he is eligible to act on all proposals. Paul August ☎ 22:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The practice for several years has been that if a case is accepted and opened before the end of the year, the outgoing arbitrators remain eligible to participate in deciding the case. Among other advantages, this eases the transition between the old and new committee memberships. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:25, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the information, both of you. John Carter (talk) 20:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question