Talk:Progressive Field

message: I have heard from a Jacobs Field employee that the field will undergo a name change following the 2006 baseball season.  Should this detail be added to the article, though it is not yet firm? Robert K S 19:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. I added a line about the approaching expiration of the naming rights. - EurekaLott 02:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Robert K S 02:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page  on ballparksofbaseball.com contrdicts that claim.  Are you sure the guy works there?  The Technodrome's Toilet 23:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name change

message: This should be retained as it was a field condition, not a event atributed to an athlete. It's like the wind at the Meadowlands or Candlestick Park. It should be associated with the venue  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.84.60 (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be appropriate for an article on that particular game or that particular ALDS series.  A mention of midges (absent a mention of the ball game) might be appropriate for an article on the fauna of Lake Erie.  But this really isn't a "field condition" unless you can show that midges regularly invade Jacobs Field during ball games.  I've therefore re-removed that material.  --DachannienTalkContrib 02:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added a request for comments to get a third opinion on the appropriateness of mentioning the "bug game" in this article.  To whoever visits here to take a look at this, the above discussion pretty much sums up our positions.  --DachannienTalkContrib 07:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Bug Game"

message: :I've added a request for comments to get a third opinion on the appropriateness of mentioning the "bug game" in this article.  To whoever visits here to take a look at this, the above discussion pretty much sums up our positions.  --DachannienTalkContrib 07:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC 

message: I have removed the RFCxxx template from the article, RFCxxx templates should be placed on discussion pages, not in articles. See RFC Instructions no 2 Create a section for the RfC on the bottom of the disputed article's talk page and 3 Place the template at the top of the new section DMcMPO11AAUK/Talk/Contribs 04:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and sorry for the confusion.  The instructions on the individual templates' pages suggest that you're supposed to add the template to the article itself.  --DachannienTalkContrib 20:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFCxxx template in article 

message: It appears that the stadium will be getting a new name. The Plain Dealer is reporting that it will be called Progressive Field. We'll need to move the page, but it I think it would be wise to wait until the name is officially announced. - Eureka Lott 04:17, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, there should be a more concrete reference to attach to the page before a move actually happens.  The blog section of the Plain Dealer's website tends to be a bit faster and looser with news reports, and there's always the slim chance that there could be a hoax involved.  --DachannienTalkContrib 04:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been a lot of activity on the article in the past day.  Some edits replaced instances of Jacobs Field with Progressive Field, but this change left some nonsensical passages, such as the discussion of renaming in the lead, which took on the incorrect implication of a renaming away from Progressive Field.  Let's wait until the name change is official--not just officially announced but actually in effect--to perform the article move and the search-and-replace, performed intelligently so as not to leave any such non-sequiturs.  Until then it suffices to note that the ballpark is about to be renamed.  (Incidentally, I was surprised to return to this talk page and discover that I had originally brought up the issue of the name change some months ago.  The skepticism my remark met seems pretty silly now.) Robert K S (talk) 10:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Three cheers for people not reading the talk page before making major changes to the article, huh?  --DachannienTalkContrib 21:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to remove "The Prog" from the page. It can't have a nickname already :) Jeez. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 05:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded.  I've heard 'The Prog' tossed around, but I hardly think it's worthy of saying it's the nickname at this point.-Colslax (talk) 07:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Pardon my move and edits, but why does The Jake need a corporate alias?  Perhaps the Indians are doing this for the money.  In olden times, stadiums were named for the team (i.e. Angel or Dodger Stadium) or the location (San Diego Stadium/Jack Murphy Stadium).  Now, teams are naming there stadiums after huge corporations for the sake of advertising.  2008BaseballFan (talk) 03:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of stadiums have corporate names, including Quicken Loans Arena which is next door.  At least it isn't Preparation H Park.THD3 (talk) 03:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Like it or not (personally I hate it) it's nothing new.  Corporate names on stadiums date back to, at least, the 1950's.  Just be glad the uniforms don't have large ads on them like major league level sport teams in other parts of the world yet.  But I'm sure it's coming. StrayKat99 (talk) 04:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Aesthetically, I agree with you completely.  I still call the basketball arena "The Gund", and it's been years since they changed the name.  However, Wikipedia has to stay NPOV, and that means that it portrays an unbiased representation of the facts as they are listed in verifiable sources.  In this case, that means that the new name for the ballpark has to be the context the article primarily uses, though it should also discuss the "Jacobs Field" name and its history.  Please, let's not bicker and argue about 'oo killed 'oo have edit wars over the article name based on individual opinions.  --DachannienTalkContrib 04:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Corporate sponsorship is common.  Is there not a Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland?  And was there not a Fleet Garden in Boston before it was renamed as TD Banknorth Garden?THD3 (talk) 16:15, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Only recently, you're talking about the Gund Arena.  Besides, these deals usually don't work.  Angel Stadium and Ballpark in Arlington's corporate nicknames didn't last too long.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.17.129 (talk) 13:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New name 

message: What happened to the edit history of this article?  There are now four edits in the edit history, and the version of the article seems to be older than the one I was reading and working on earlier in the day.  Did User:2008BaseballFan do something that destroyed the article's edit history? Robert K S (talk) 03:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was moved to Jacobs Field, then some version was copy-pasted back, and you made Jacobs Field a redirect. Tell me where it should all be, and I'll put the pieces back together. Gimmetrow 04:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the old Jacobs Fields logo back on the page.  In response to the second name placed on this baseball field, User:Gimmetrow deleted the Prog/Jake's page history and all of the Prog/Jake's article revisions.  Now it looks as if the page was newly created again.  There is nothing I can do further about this "naming rights deal".  2008BaseballFan (talk) 04:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: User:2008BaseballFan moved the page back to Jacobs Field and reverted nearly all of the recent edits prior to making changes. User:Gimmetrow repaired most of the damage, and I restored the page to its last stable version. I think we should be in good shape until the next joker comes along - Eureka Lott 04:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

text:  All the article revisions from both Jacobs and Progressive are still in the edit history. For instance, here are the edits 2008BaseballFan made, though for some reason the editor started from an older version with minor changes. Gimmetrow 04:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like everything is back in order now.  Thanks to all involved. Robert K S (talk) 14:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit history has vanished

message: In the sentence "Progressive Field contributed to the revitalization of downtown Cleveland. Opened in 1994 as the new home of the Cleveland Indians, whom had formerly shared Cleveland Stadium with the NFL's Cleveland Browns.", Progressive Field should be changed back to Jacobs Field as that was the park's name during 1994 and the "revitalization of downtown Cleveland" which the sentence refers to.--68.73.75.201 (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A more thorough rephrasing of the sentence should resolve any ambiguity.  If my changes are still problematic, please let me know.  --DachannienTalkContrib 21:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anachronistic name use?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:JacobsFieldLogo150.PNG

message: The statement, "The Gateway ballpark and arena were the first sports facilities in the United States to be constructed simultaneously at the same location." is inaccurate. Arrowhead Stadium and (then) Royals Stadium were constructed at the same time with Arrowhead opening in Aug. 1972 and Royals Stadium opening in Apr. 1973.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.178.39 (talk) 23:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simultaneous construction not right 

message: This article provides  and inconsistent  at least for date formats. (Retrieved and publication dates may differ from each other, which i like, but each should be consistent.)
The reference for Boston surpassing the 455-game sellout streak is broken.
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If there were a good reference at Fenway Park I would put it in this article and tag the problems noted above. Fenway's source is not very good, so I merely report on the Talk pages.(Talk:Fenway Park#Seating capacity). --P64 (talk) 16:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: ... The other reference hints to me that the Jacobs family enjoyed another year "in the sun" free of charge. An agency was hired in 2007 to recruit a new sponsor. Perhaps the city(?) was fortunate or far-seeing to hold out. The team enjoyed remarkable success in 2007 which must have increased the price.
* ref name="Bloom1"> Sessa, Danielle Indians to Sell Naming Rights to Ballpark, Hire IMG Bloomberg, September 19, 2007 (accessed July 19, 2010)</ref>
I guess this episode must be worth more coverage here. --P64 (talk) 17:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006/2007 re-sale of the name

message: I now want to work on getting this article to FAC. I've looked at other stadium FAs but what does everybody think should be added to this article for it to qualify for FAC?-- Astros4477 (Talk)  03:34, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In a quick glance, the first area of attention is the lead. The lead should summarize the entire article and right now it only mentions its general location and the issue of its name.  I also wouldn't have "The Jake" bolded, but instead have it in quotes since it's a nickname, not an official name.  Other things to watch out for: abbreviations like "NFL". Even though most will know what NFL means, it's always good to start with the official name. For that instance, I'd have "...which they shared with the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League." I'd also like to see more mention of the domed stadium option (including the fact that it was proposed for the same site Gateway is on) that was defeated, as well as the other proposal known as "Hexatron". The mention of the architecture needs to be expanded a bit too as it's not very clear or detailed (also watch out for "its" or "it's") about how it really fits in with the area around it and why certain design elements were used (such as the exposed steel and vertical light towers).  Also, the article linked for "retro-modern ballparks" has Progressive Field as the first of that genre. Oriole Park at Camden Yards is considered "retro-classic", based on the exterior.  Progressive Field is the second "retro" ballpark. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:26, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article preparation