Talk:Kindred (novel)

message: I'm removing this section.  It has multiple inaccuracies and lacks attention to Standard English.  A copy of the original text is below if someone wants to edit it and paste it back in.  Naq (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters section 

message: The dooky cover picture is significantly over-saturated. The purple is much closer to grey on the actual cover.Stale Fries 03:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover picture 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:OctaviaEButler Kindred.jpg

message: :I've taken the liberty of refactoring the talk page, and grouping the students' suggestions into a few broad areas to clarify things and ease follow-up discussion, I hope that's ok.--Pharos (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Pharos!! Looking good. :-) DrX (talk) 02:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for improvements to Kindred from Spring 2014 ENG103 class at LaGuardia

message: *Write a more intriguing, captivating introduction so that readers will be more interested in reading this novel.Lissetlot15 (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction and format

message: *One thing that can be changed about this article is that the summary isn't as thorough as it should be. The prologue; which is one of the most important parts of the book wasn't included at all and the prologue kind of sets the tone for the rest of the book and it was put in the book on purpose which is why it should've been included. The prologue will relate back to the end of the book and if it is not included, readers will be confused. Redhead321 (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot

message: *There is so much more to the novel "Kindred". Butler as an author purposely withdraws information from the reader . It would be great to discuss Butler's writing techniques and the reasons behind them. Why does the story unfold the way that it does and what significance does it have . Primadonnagirl123 (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Themes and style

message: *One suggestion I can make toward this article is to write about the characters; how do their personalities change through the novel. Also, what are the themes that the author uses throughout the story. Redrosex1025 (talk) 19:04, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: The majority of sentences in this article should be structured differently & instead of jumping for one thing to the next add more details/information that would make the article seem more interesting and flow with the theme.
SNSmith27 (talk) 23:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kindred Suggestions  

message: In the Bibliography In Kindred Octavia Butler there are many links and sources that aren't accurate  such as (http://www.scifi.com/).Eventhough this link is dead it's no science fiction in this book at all this is why it should be deleted and replaced. Watoflifej23 (talk) 18:34, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  replacing the dead link The book Of Martha  

message: here is the section deleted from the article because it is not sourced yet:
:On each occasion that Dana travels back in time, her stay on the plantation becomes longer: though she is only gone from the present initially ranging from a period of 15 seconds, to several minutes to finally, several hours, she is stuck in the past for first some minutes, then days and months. Dana goes back in time when circumstances surrounding Rufus' survival dictate it, as perceived by him; her travels are also constrained to returning to the Weylin plantation, and not other venues.  Conversely, Dana's only means of returning to the present is when she is sufficiently frightened and believes herself to be in danger of dying. It is only after she kills Rufus towards novel's end that her travels cease, but not without a price: on her last trip back to the present, she re-materializes in 1976 with her left arm embedded in the plaster wall of her house.  The arm is later amputated to the elbow. Dana also is able to transport objects and even people back in time with her, as is shown when she transports a denim bag of useful items (including a knife, a change of clothes, money, toiletries, and paper) tied around her waist with her, and her husband, Kevin, when he grabs onto her before she vanishes on her third trip, and falls on her during their return later in the novel.The North Remembers16 (talk) 18:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted section on time travel 

message: Maryland in the American Civil War Some readers might not immediately identify with Maryland as the "antebellum south". It was, of course. But a link to this page might help. HullIntegrity (talk) 19:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional References

message: That dangling modifier is killing me. How about the following?: Kindred (first published in 1979) is a bestselling novel by the award-winning American science-fiction author Octavia E. Butler. Widely popular, Kindred is regularly chosen as a common reading by community-wide reading programs and book organizations as well as being a consistent text choice for high school and college courses. HullIntegrity (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming, of course, that you do not want to highlight "African American" in the lead. HullIntegrity (talk) 19:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Following the last revision how about something like this: Kindred, the bestselling novel of American science-fiction author Octavia E. Butler, is notable for its conflation of both the conventions or time-travel tales and slave narratives. HullIntegrity (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello HullIntegrity (talk). I guess we need to figure out what makes the novel notable. Certainly the fusion/splicing of the genres was an issue at  the time of its publishing and has brought about much discussion among scholars. Still, the fact that it has sold steadily since 1979 is the one fact mentioned by most that I can recall. P.S. I assume the "or" in "or time-travel tales and slave narratives" is a typo and the word is  "of." --DrX (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

text:  Yes. Typo. HullIntegrity (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Revision? 

message: I moved this from the article page to the talk page because most of the quotes were used in earlier sections The North Remembers16 (talk) 19:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Author's quotes

message: This assertion was placed as part of the novel's plot, though it is not in the book. I cannot a reference to it in Kenan's interview of Butler either: Rufus's body was later found in the rubble by cleanup workers. Ref: Butler, Octavia E. "An Interview with Octavia E. Butler." Randall Kenan. Callaloo 14.2 (1991): 496. JSTOR. Web. 26 April 2014. --DrX (talk) 14:21, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello 137.112.231.88. I had to undo your addition of this assertion. As I explain here, this event does not appear anywhere in the novel, so it cannot be part of the article’s plot section. Also, I have read Kenan’s interview of Butler again and there is no reference to this event. As a matter of fact, not one of the sources I have read about Kindred mentions this event.--DrX (talk) 13:54, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference? 

message: While I think any decent person should agree with the premise that slavery is one of the worst crimes in human history, it's probably inappropriate to write the Wikipedia page from that premise. You know, we should make it mostly without moral judgment and let the reader bring their own ideas to it? It's kind of difficult to discuss because there has to be at least some indication that slavery is bad to keep from orienting the encyclopedia in a pro-slavery direction, but at the same time there shouldn't be a romantic take on this anti-slavery material. The page just has a feel of like a teacher lecturing about how the book illustrates the evils of slavery rather than being encyclopedic. I think it could use some adjustment. --OGoncho (talk) 10:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased language/NPOV 

message: It's a terrific book, but the plot is supposed to be summarized, not described in detail by chapter. See guidelines for novels and read other articles about novels. For the same reason, the discussion of characters should be shorter for each, as this section goes into great detail as well. Because of the over abundance of detail, the article is repetitive in many sections. Parkwells (talk) 17:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Too lengthy discussion of plot