Talk:Moscow hostage crisis chemical agent

message: I could not find any sources claiming that it was "Kolokol-1". Most important, what is "Kolokol-1" chemically?Biophys 04:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: I looked some scientific publications on this topic (there are surprisingly few of them!) and found only the following. The only detected substance in blood was halothane, and nothing else was found. This is the only fact, and everything else is speculation or possibly deliberate disinformation.  From my perspective, I can only tell that (a) there is any evidence at all about a fentanyl derivative (could be any poison gas); and (b) this agent binds to its protein target irreversibly (hence long-term effects and the compound was not detected since it was completely bound to its target).Biophys 14:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What it was?

message: "The gas that they applied at storming the 'Nord-Ost' has no antipoison at all," Ms Karpova has stated. "Therefore, Patrushev's words cannot be true. He said that special services had prepared the required amount of antipoison, even more, but people who were under stress 'sometimes were not able to explain whether the antipoison had been injected into them or not'." In the opinion of Tatiana Karpova, Patrushev's confession "is just senseless." She said that the preparation named nalaxon, which had helped to save a certain number of hostages, was not a real antipoison. It was selected experimentally, without any participation of FSB employees, the Kasparov.Ru reports.
http://eng.kavkaz-uzel.ru/newstext/engnews/id/1204290.html --HanzoHattori (talk) 16:08, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Naltrexone is the specific, preferred antidote for carfentanil poisoning in humans (which to date has only occurred during accidental needle sticks or other accidental ingestion of the drug by veterinary personnel sedating large animals such as hippos or elephants).  Since Riches et al at Porton Down have identified carfentanil and remifentanil on residue of the agent on British hostages' clothing and in the urine of a British hostage, the context in which that remark may have been made becomes a little clearer.  It's possible that "Ms Karpova" was ignorant that carfentanil has a specific antidote, or other reasons for what she said may exist. loupgarous 02:59, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Nord-Ost Organization on the agent/antidote (via Kasparov)

message: In a reference for the main Moscow theater hostage crisis article, a contemporary BBC report , it is clear that the rescue raid killed "[a]t least 90 hostages". 
The above "204 hostages" quote is from the lead section of the Moscow theater hostage crisis article, expanded below. In that article; the Nord-Ost musical article; the references for this article; and the talk page for this article; it is clearly stated that the substance killed hostages. 
:"All 40 of the terrorists were killed,[2] and up to 204 hostages died during the siege, including nine foreigners, due to poisoning by the gas.[3] All but two of the hostages who died during the siege were killed by the toxic substance pumped into the theater to subdue the terrorists.[4][5] ..."
So it is imperative that there is substantial mention of deaths in the article, particularly at the start with an approximate death toll. All I could find in the article content today was this, and it was in the "Zilker and Wheelis" section of the "Criticism" section:
Mark Wheelis: The fact that the Russians did it and got away with a lethality of less than twenty percent suggests to me that very likely there may have been a novel agent with a higher safety margin than normal fentanyl.
Remember, even though the Russian government's agencies were involved in the crisis, Wikipedia is not to be censored by governments or anyone else (per WP:NOTCENSORED). Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This substance killed "up to 204 hostages", but there was almost no mention of any deaths in the article content!