Talk:2008 Greenlandic self-government referendum

message: So, according to Enoksen's clarifications today they are going to have "selvstyre" (self-rule) and not "selvstændighed" (independence). But they already have "hjemmestyre" (home-rule) so I don't really understand what's going on. Some sort of increased independence, I suppose, but I don't know any details. Apparently this has caused some confusion in Greenland as well, since he felt compelled to clarify. Maybe this is totally clear in Greenlandic but I have no understanding of that language. Haukur (talk) 19:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange. Maybe it's just meant to gauge support before an actual independence referendum is attempted after the next elections? —Nightstallion 20:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps they are looking at something similar to the Kingdom of Iceland? That would mean the establishment of a Kingdom of Greenland, in personal union with the Kingdom of Denmark, and where perhaps/probably part of defence and foreign affairs were handled by Copenhagen on behalf of Nuuk. This way they will remain part of "det danske rige". I'm not sure how much actual change it would mean, but it might be important symbolically. Opinions? -- Nidator T / C 01:19, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That could well be, but I'm not really in any position to verify it...  —Nightstallion 08:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey, they actually have some of this in English - try here:  Haukur (talk) 09:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: And here's some really crunchy information in English: Report from the Commission on Self-governance March 2003 This treats all the possibilities, including the Kingdom of Iceland model. Haukur (talk) 09:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is interesting. These possibilities should be added to the article in list form. If they are going to stay in "det danske rige" then I don't see why they would bother with all this unless they were going for something tangible like the Kingdom of Iceland model. Arranging a national conversation and a referendum simply for moving some competences from Copenhagen seems like over-kill. -- Nidator T / C 14:12, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, if one of you could write up a paragraph about the options available and a paragraph about the proposed timing, that would be a great idea. Why that date, BTW? Is that the date for the next elections? —Nightstallion 15:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you could too :) The English edition of Sermitsiaq seems to lag behind a day or so. Here's one of their recent English articles:  The date seems to be arbitrary, "just an idea from the prime minister" according to the Democrats. Also see this article:  Apparently the work of the self-rule commission stalled after the Danish parliamentary election and is being kicked into gear again. One of the major issues is the distribution of oil revenues. Haukur (talk) 16:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can add the list and then you can improve on it afterwards. -- Nidator T / C 17:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-government? Don't they already have that?

message: 80% say yes in Ittoqqortoormiit, the first to report in. Haukur (talk) 22:39, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. If you find a link for nationwide results, we can get the result table filled in. – Zntrip 00:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried adding the early count, but can't get the template to respond. kwami (talk) 00:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Numbers also available from http://sermitsiaq.gl/ The measure seems certain to pass in a landslide. Haukur (talk) 00:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I've added descriptions from the BBC. That's the best I've been able to find. kwami (talk) 08:09, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ittoqqortoormiit]] numbers are in 

message: According to this article, Danish subsidies account for two-thirds of Greenland's income and also for 30% of Greenland's income. These can't both be right! --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 17:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that the "30%" is 30% of the budget of the Greenlandic government, which would make the figures fit. Physchim62 (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Amount of subsidies - Lack of clarity in article

message: What was the actual question? Do you agree with the proposal? This is not clear (though it is somehow obvious) and the proposal paragraph is at the moment reflecting the reaction from Denmark. Somebody familiar with the topic please fix that. --Tone 19:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I'm curious as to what the change is from. Zetetic Apparatchik (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It had been a 50-50 split up to 500 x of revenue (I forget what the x was—millions of krona, maybe?), and undetermined after that. It will now be 100% to Greenland for the first 35 x, and 50-50 for anything above that. The net effect is 17.5 x more revenue to Greenland, and no need to worry about what happens if revenue increase beyond what the previous agreement covered. kwami (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in Oil revenue distribution 

message: Commission on Self-governance outlined six possibilities for the future of Greenland.[4] These were:
Independence 
Union with another country, like Canada or the USA, similar to the former Kingdom of Iceland (1918 – 1944) 
Free Association, similar to the relationship between Palau and the United States 
Federation 
Increased self-government for Greenland, beyond what is guaranteed today by the Home Rule. 
Complete integration --74.237.54.62 (talk) 17:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The commission's report's suggestion of a union with another country is a personal union so clearly neither Canada nor USA. 77.215.191.91 (talk) 08:14, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Never Back Down 

message: Does this make Greenland eligible for representation in the United Nations?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.112.70 (talk) 07:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Nations ? 

message: What exactly does this mean? Are there any other areas like this that are recognized as separate under international law? CK6569 (talk) 19:48, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can tell, this is a reference to the Helsinki Accords part VIII, equal rights and self-determination of peoples, meaning that it guarantees Greenland's right to self-determination and in such a way that if negotiations between Denmark and Greenland break down Greenland can ask the United Nations to act as a third party at the negotiations. The negotiations between Denmark and the Faroe Islands circa 2000-2002 is an example of just when this type of recognition would have made a difference (as a rough, brief summary, UN stayed out of because Denmark hadn't recognized the Faroese as a separate people making the Faroese self-determination a question of internal relations within the kingdom). If you're interested in what recognition as a people means from a Greenlandic and Faroese perspective, I think The Right To National Self-Determination - The Faroe Islands and Greenland (2004) may have something relevant. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for your question regarding other areas. Hemmingsen 06:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Greenlanders are also recognized as a separate group of people under international law"

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