Talk:Extropianism

message: Should contain link or reference to meliorist/meliorism?
:I've removed it. --Loremaster (talk) 01:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meliorism? 

message: I can read through this article and follow the external links and I still don't know exactly what Extropianism or extropy mean.  Can someone come up with a concise one-sentence definiton?
The first paragraph should have something like:
"Extropianism, also referred to as extropy, is a philosophical viewpoint within transhumanism, describing a conscious, pro-active self-directed approach to human evolution and progress. It is defined by a set of principles blah blah blah ..."
I'm only guessing in this case.  I think that's what it is, but I don't know.  There needs to be something like that though.  Take a look at Humanism, Progressivism or Socialism.  They all manage to give a concise definition right from the beginning.  The rest of the article then fleshes out that definition.--?Pucktalk? 12:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I redid the first paragraph, I'm not an extropianist and I think it's clear now. It is typical for some wikipedia articles to suffer in clarity as long as it's an "autobiography" of ones own movements or beliefs. EverGreg 13:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes, but what does it mean? 

message: I understand Extropianism to describe a fulfillment of the human condition anticipated by transhumanism; a consummating consilience of a rich history of transhuman work and thought, rather than a splintered sect within that tradition. When I call myself an extropian, I am not evangelizing for a transhuman denomination, I am not advancing a doctrine; rather, I mean that I Am Part of Making the Posthuman Condition Happen, Right Now.  I am careful to say "a" fulfillment rather than "the" fulfillment, because beyond the extropians there will be stages of evolution that we cannot yet imagine; regardless of how intimidating one's endowment in the frontal lobe.
Responsible futurists understand that We Just Can't Know how transhumanism will actually play out.  We can, however, express an abiding confidence in the fact that it will play, indeed is playing out, and within that merry happenstance we are committed to Being Ever Present; maintaining engaged minds, productive imaginations, and transcendent hopes aligned with the best case scenarios for human longevity and evolution.
An important difference between transhuman theory and extropian practice, as I understand it, is the active commitment to Being There and Making It Happen. Personally, I do not believe we are merely theorizing as earlier transhumanists, of necessity, were resource-bound to do.  Forty years ago, when F.M. Esfandiary introduced the idea of transitional humans, even those who agreed with him rightly suspected that they would not survive quite long enough to make the transition. As extropians, we expect to be part of the transhuman migration and are in one sense self-selecting guinea pigs saying "pick me" for the implants, the neuroprosthetics, the gangly first-generation meat-machine interfaces that the average risk-averse human would actually eschew in favor of death.
Accordingly, one might suggest that we would be well advised to A.) begin with Max More's own definition and B.) incorporate PuckSmith's laudable petition for clarity.  One suggestion:"Extropianism, also referred to as extropy, is an evolving framework of values and standards for continuously improving the human condition.  Extropianism describes a pragmatic consilience of transhumanist thought guided by a conscious, pro-active, self-directed approach to human evolution and progress."--metavalent 05:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What It Means 

message: http://www.extropy.com/future.htm
NEXT STEPS   - Extropy Institute is closing its doors and opening a
window for a proactive future.
Dear Members of Extropy Institute and new core group network,
This letter is an announcement of the events taking place at Extropy
Institute as a result of its Strategic Plan 2006. A copy of the Plan is
included for your review. The Plan identifies some factors that ExI's
Board has considered in assessing the future of ExI and the best
possible course of action to take for ExI, its members, and other
stakeholders.
The Past.  ExI was formed in 1990 by Max More and Tom Bell with a
mission to bring great minds together to incubate ideas about emerging
technologies, life extension and the future. ExI's goals were to (1)
develop an elegant, focused philosophy for transhumanism-the philosophy
of "Extropy"; (2) encourage discussions and debates on improving the
human condition; and (2) develop a culture for activists, energized and
devoted to bringing these ideas to the public. The initiatives which
realized these goals are (1) Extropy: the Journal of Transhumanist
Thought; Principles of Extropy; Extro Conferences 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5;
public forums such as the famed "extropians" and "extropy-chat" email
lists; public presentations in the news, radio, televised documentaries,
talk shows, and films; and the VP Summit of 2004 addressing the backlash
from conservatives against technological advancements.
The Present. ExI deems its mission as essentially completed. With this
said, and in respect for Extropy Institute's legacy of achievement, the
Board voted and has unanimously agreed to close Extropy Institute's
doors.
Extropy Institute's website is being memorialized by turning it into a
reference "Library of Transhumanism, Extropy, and the Future," -the
beginnings, currents, and future of Transhumanism.
On behalf of our members, I would like to thank Max for authoring the
philosophy of Extropy1 and for his many efforts in working with others
to steer the philosophical development of transhumanism, which is truly
treasured by so many people in so many places.
The Future. As you will see by reviewing the Strategic Plan, the
Proactionary Principle stands first and foremost as the concept with the
most potential for being of great service to humanity and transhumanity
as we go forward. The Proactionary Principle (ProP) can help society by
bridging the growing gap between conservative views and
progress-oriented views, and educating society about the future. Meeting
these two challenges by providing an active course of action can be of
tremendous benefit to us all.
In respect for the philosophy of Extropy and the Principles of Extropy,
the Board of Extropy Institute believes that Extropy Institute has
served its mission and achieved its goals and, in practicing the
Principles of Extropy, our next step is to focus on developing worldwide
awareness of the ProP and a network for proactive futures.
With my most sincere thanks for your support,
Natasha Vita-More
Extropy Institute, President         
--Loremaster 12:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extropy Institute closing doors 

message: seems to me that given this is a similar subject some reference would be in order, though i'm not confident enough of the respective definitions to do this myself JavaByte 19:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should contain link or reference to meliorist/meliorism 

message: with Extropy as these two articles seem to be about the same thing.  Xme (talk) 19:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggest merge 

message: : The Extropy Institute's email list was launched in 1991 ....
Not exactly.  When Perry Metzger (not Max or Tom) started "extropians", the Institute did not yet exist, if I remember right; the list was conceived for fans of the magazine.  —Tamfang (talk) 06:10, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the mailing list 

message: I think that "extropism" should redirect to that specific section under the extropianism article, instead of just redirecting to the beginning of that article (I typed this:  [], to no avail).  I tried to change it myself but didn't realize that only administrators have this power.  Thanks. Shanoman (talk) 03:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please change redirect 

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