Talk:Triple Crown (professional wrestling)/Archive 1

message: I think you need to revise the date on which booker and test won the tag belts. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Surge79uwf (talk • contribs) .
:Huh? It looks right. ---SilentRAGE! 05:07, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Booker T

message: Object. The existing triple crown article is already long and cluttered. McPhail 17:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the TNA Triple Crown is not as notable in and of itself: there has only been one winner, and it is unlikely that there will be any in the near future.  There is simply not enough content to justify a separate article for TNA's Triple Crown.  kelvSYC 17:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article as it stands is longer than the majority of articles on wrestlers, or professional wrestling slang. Moreover, you wish to merge the article based in part on your speculatory claim that "it is unlikely that there will be any in the near future". The TNA Triple Crown is notable because it is regularly acknowledged and mentioned by TNA. The WWE Triple Crown is rarely mentioned or acknowledged by WWE, so has little claim to notability. The existing Triple Crown Champion article is a mess, and merging more content into it will not improve matters. McPhail 18:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The article is not a stub in its current form. It could also be further expanded by adding detailed descriptions of Styles's respective title wins, including who he defeated and where. McPhail 19:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like cruft to me - it's needless repetitive info that can be found elsewhere - such as the article on Styles. kelvSYC 20:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested merge

message: Should there be a section for this? No one has done it but it has been brought up in storylines on many ocassions, and there are three wrestlers (Joe, Punk, Aries) who are all one belt shy. Tromboneguy0186 08:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ROH Triple Crown?

message: When Kurt Angle and Edge won their titles, they were still under the WCW name. WCW was a different company from WWE (though WWE bought them out, they were still presented as a seperate outfit), and as long as the title was still recognised as a WCW title, it can't count as a WWE championship. On July 27, 2003, Eddie Guerrero became the first U.S. Champion under the WWE banner. Simple logic says that a WCW Championship does not count toward a WWE Triple Crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.117.5 (talk • contribs) 
WWE recognises these reigns as part of their US Title's history, therefore they are reigns with a WWE belt, and do count towards the Triple Crown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.67.205 (talk • contribs) 
How can title reigns that occured in (and under the auspices of) WCW count toward a WWE triple crown?  WWE picked up the U.S. title as part of the WCW purchase, and was never meant to be a WWE title.  But when the Intercontinental Championship returned to Raw, The U.S. title was brought out of mothballs for Smackdown to balance things out. Only a title fought for in a WWE ring, officaly sanctioned by WWE, and under the WWE banner count in a WWE triple crown. To put it simply, unless the belt has a WWE logo on it, it doesn't count toward a wrestler's WWE record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.132 (talk • contribs) 
-----Yes, yes it does, because WWE recognises these records. The US Title is not passed off as a new belt, like the World Heavyweight Title. If you've held a current WWE title in the past, and WWE acknowledges that you have, it counts towards the Triple Crown. And by the way, Angle and Edge's title wins were fought for in a WWE ring, officaly sanctioned by WWE, and under the WWE banner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.71.39 (talk • contribs) 
:Indeed. It's not only a matter of having recognized the records, look at the championship pages for relevant wrestlers, such as Chris Benoit. It states that he is simply a 4-time United States champion; he is not a "2-time WCW United States champion" and a "2-time WWE United States champion." On Edge's, it again simply says "United States championship." WCW is only mentioned to championships unrelated to current WWE-sanctioned belts; for example, Greg Helms has 3 cruiserweight titles, 1 in WCW and 2 in WWE. His title page simply says "3-time cruiserweight champion" 
Oh, and people: start signing. Tromboneguy0186 15:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Championship

message: The current article makes numerous dubious claims. In order to attain a minimum level of verifiability, sources must be provided that prove that, among other things, WCW and ECW recognised a triple crown champion, and WWE has revised the definition of the triple crown from the original WWF Championship, WWF Intercontinental Championship and WWF World Tag Team Championship definition. Statements are made such as "the WWE Triple Crown was expanded to include these new titles" - expanded by who? Did WWE make a statement to this extent? As it stands, this article appears to be largely fiction and extrapolation - logical extrapolation, I will grant, but extrapolation nonetheless. Please do not remove the tags until these claims have been satisfactorily addressed. McPhail 21:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wouldn't break my heart to see the slate wiped clean and a new attempt at an article made. It needs a lot of work. Tromboneguy0186 11:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: I was just wonder if the WWE European Championship counts as one of the Triple Crown Championship reigns.--Mannytime 22:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Euro title was considered a step below the IC title, so no. kelvSYC 01:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the US title considered part of it then? I would think the European title would be no less important than the US, if not more important.72.78.226.57 21:48, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE European Championship 

message: I suggest that when people make notes on who needs a certain title to achive the Triple Crown, that they only add people who are currently on the roster. I just removed the note on 2 Cold Scorpio for ECW, because he's not with the company. This article is big enough as it is, and it needs to be as clean and efficient as possible.  SilentRage 22:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note about current wrestlers 

message: Should Big Show's World Championship Triple Crown be noted on this page at all? (WWE, WCW, and ECW World Titles) It seems like a fairly noteworthy event, even if his ECW win is in New ECW. --4.156.6.70 21:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe it should be included under a World Heavyweight Championship Triple Crown Section. THe same with the Dudley Boyz and the World Tag Team Championship Triple Crown. John cena123 02:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we do, we should also include the Road Warriors for having the AWA, NWA and WWF tag titles. --TheTruthiness 06:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Show 

message: Should we perhaps merge all the Triple Crown/Grand Slam/Ultra Grand Slam type pages into one big one? I'd be willing to do it... Mlsq42 11:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with the Grand Slam et al pages? 

message: I've tried to post this at the talk page of your IP address before, but yours changes so I can't be sure you'll read it: to be a real "Triple Crown" champion they need to hold the primary, secondary and tag titles as mentioned on this talk page.  Please also use the "preview" button to check your changes before submitting.  Every time you edit you leave 50 edits in the history which makes it difficult to check.  There is also the sandbox you can use to test your work before submitting it on the real page.  You must also not leave visable notes about not reverting in the article because Wikipedia is an open source encyclopedia suitable for forking.  To ease reusability, never allow the text of an article to assume that the reader is viewing it at Wikipedia, and try to avoid even assuming that the reader is viewing the article at a website..  --TheTruthiness 20:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dear Non-Registered Editor at 81.158.171.157 

message: Chris Jericho and Lance Storm were never official Triple Crown Champions.
A WCW Triple Crown is the World, U.S., and Tag Team Titles.  Period.
TV, Cruiserweight, and Hardcore Titles are minor titles and do not count.  (Though a TV title added to a Triple Crown equals a Grand Slam).
:Since there was never a WCW Triple Crown, I doubt you can decide what counts. TJ Spyke 19:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris Jericho and Lance Storm 

message: If someone wins the ECW World Title and has all previous qualifications can they be considered a triple crown or grand slam champion? 
--Fr3nZi3 15:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ECW Title part of Triple Crown

message: When listing potential Triple Crown Champions, please limit it to wrestlers who are still active or at least semi-active.
Retired or deceased wreslers who are one title away shouldn't be listed because they have no shot at completeing the Triple Crown.
:Yeah #Note_about_current_wrestlers  ---SilentRAGE! 21:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Champions. 

message: I don't think the definition should include Japanese promotions since they operate under the weight-class scheme. By definition, Taiyo Kea in AJPW and Nobuhiko Takada in NJPW would qualify in their respective promotions:
*Taiyo Kea: Triple Crown, Double Cup, AJPW World Junior (noted down on his article).
*Mitsuharu Misawa: Triple Crown, Double Cup, NWA International Junior (predecessor to AJPW World Junior). Can no longer be a junior so I doubt he'd go for AJPW or GHC junior titles in the future.
*Nobuhiko Takada: IWGP Heavy, IWGP Tag, IWGP Junior (would need to win the Junior Tag to be Grand Slam, but has retired from MMA and I doubt he would come back to wrestle full time and certainly not as a junior). -- Surge79uwf 01:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese promotions

message: On that count, I would also include NWA Jim Crockett Promotions as part of WCW
*Dusty Rhodes: World (including in 1986 when the title was administered by JCP), US, TV, Tag Team
*Rick Steamboat: World, US, TV, Tag Team
*Ric Flair: World, US, TV (Mid-Atlantic), Tag Team -- Surge79uwf 01:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NWA Jim Crockett Promotions

message: The WCW part should be removed, I don't recall them ever saying there was a triple crown (or a grand slam). That means that whole section is orginal research. Since there was no WCW Triple Crown, the "requirements" were set up by the editors who added that section in. I will be a citation tag in to give people a day or two to find sources. TJ Spyke 19:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WCW 

message: The title Jericho won on October 21, 2001 was the WCW World Heavyweight Championship, not the WWE's World Heavyweight Championship. I don't see why people add it in with the whole Lineage controversy with the WCW title and the World Heavyweight Championship. John cena123 20:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Jericho

message: John 'Bradshaw' Layfeild is not listed as being a Triple Crown Winner when he has achieved the status
*WWE Championship - June 27, 2004
*World Tag Team Championship - May 25, 1999 (With Ron Simmons)
*WWE United States Champion - April 2, 2006
JBL called himself a Grand Slam Champion on 8-4-06.
It seems as though that there a select few that feel that his statement is irrelevant.
Let me ask this question:
Micheal Cole (rightfully) referred to Kurt Angle as a Grand Slam winner at Royal Rumble '03.
JBL called himself one on 8-4-06.
Why is it that when JBL calls himself one, it doesn't count?
Nowhere does it say on wwe.com that Eddie Guerrero or Rob Van Dam is a Grand Slam winner, but they are (rightfully) accepted as such.
At least JBL made a statement on National TV, calling himself a Slam winner, giving some credence to the argument that the U.S. Championship should be allowed to be swapped out for the I-C Championship.
::There are no sources to whether or not the United States Championship is included in the Grand Slam or the Triple Crown. Kurt Angle has won the IC title, that means, he is a Triple Crown (and a Grand Slam since he has won the European Championship). Same thing with Guerrero and RVD. There is no original research on Wikipedia. Please don't insert it again until sources for this claim are provided. semper fi — Moe 16:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JBL 

message: Couldn't the definition of Triple Crown be re-interpreted so as to be somewhat more flexible.  Instaed of WWE, IC and World Tag why not make it: World Title, Major Midcard Title and Tag Team Title.
Provided you respect the respective periods and company boundaries you could have:
For the WWE
World:
WWE
World Heavyweight
ECW World Title
WCW Title right after the buy out.
Major Midcard:
IC
US
US Title after the WCW buy out.
Tag Team:
World Tag Team
WWE Tag Team
WCW Tag Team after the buy out.
For WCW:
WCW World Title
US Title
WCW Tag Team Title.
For ECW:
ECW World Title
TV Title
ECW Tag Team Title
For TNA:
TNA World Title
TNA Tag Team Title
X-Div title.
And if you want to go so far as to give some level of consideration to the Hardcore, European and LHW/CW Title...you could coin the concept of a "Little Crown", for wrestlers who have won those three titles.  As it stands, there have been 6 IIRC: Spike Dudley, Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Christian, Hurricane Helms, Crash Holly.
:...and you are basing this off what?  Remember WP:NOR.  WWE has a defined triple crown, as is the case with TNA. We go only by those facts and how they are defined. kelvSYC 20:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept Change 

message: WHY did someone take out the ECW World Title from the table? Everyone that has voted regarding the ECW World Title has agreed it should be made equal. Do NOT take it out when majority voted for it! Now I have to fix it, which just ticks me off. Talk about it here FIRST before taking it off the table. Thank you! Anakinjmt 16:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was taken off because it is original research, which is contrary to Wikipedia policy. Voting does not matter if it is on an OR issue like whether the ECW World Championship is considered part of the TC. kelvSYC 20:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the ECW title from this list again. Don't readd it unless you have sources verifying this. semper fi — Moe 21:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Provide the external link, don't just say that they do. WWE also needs to confirm this considering it is thier Triple Crown. semper fi — Moe 22:48, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Why not find an Internet source, if it's good enough to mention in a magazine, surely you will find a source on the Internet. semper fi — Moe 23:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh my freakin' gosh, it has been VOTED ON to have the ECW World Title and the US Title considered equal to the WWE/World Heavyweight Title and IC Title, respectively. And, I'm one of the people that believe JBL should be considered a Triple Crown Champion because he himself said so. Despite my thoughts on JBL, he is a Triple Crown Champion. So, I'm adding the US Title and ECW Title back in. Do NOT change it when the majority of people have voted for it. As for "no original research", you do realize that a majority of bios for wrestlers, plot summaries for video games and episodes of TV shows and movies are primarily original research? People watch what they see on TV and put it in here, without on online source. You can have the unverified tag if you want, but do NOT just take out titles from the table for the heck of it. Anakinjmt 16:14, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the heck? 

message: John 'Bradshaw' Layfeild is not listed as being a Triple Crown Winner when he has achieved the status
*WWE Championship - June 27, 2004
*World Tag Team Championship - May 25, 1999 (With Ron Simmons)
*WWE United States Champion - April 2, 2006
JBL called himself a Grand Slam Champion on 8-4-06.
It seems as though that there a select few that feel that his statement is irrelevant.
Let me ask this question:
Micheal Cole (rightfully) referred to Kurt Angle as a Grand Slam winner at Royal Rumble '03.
JBL called himself one on 8-4-06.
Why is it that when JBL calls himself one, it doesn't count?
Nowhere does it say on wwe.com that Eddie Guerrero or Rob Van Dam is a Grand Slam winner, but they are (rightfully) accepted as such.
At least JBL made a statement on National TV, calling himself a Slam winner, giving some credence to the argument that the U.S. Championship should be allowed to be swapped out for the I-C Championship.
this was a comment made earlier
I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS INFORMATION FOR 3 WEEKS AND IT IS COMPLETELY TRUE
AND THAT IS ALL ORIGINAL RESEARCH
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.229.13 (talk) 10:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JBL