Talk:Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice (Saudi Arabia)

message: This type of organization also exists in Iraq
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=5&article_id=91517
and Afghanistan 
http://www2.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-239/0805023171092733.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.81.67 (talk) 22:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The best way for you to change this is to prove it incorrect. --Brasswatchman 02:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No , he can change it now if it's unsourced . Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 19:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Under "External Links",  an entire sub-section headed with the sub-section title "News items" deserves to be removed. The sub-section contains links to (and in one case, a whole excerpt) articles, columns and opinion pieces. Wikipedia is not a newspaper nor is it an endorsement of any religious or anti-religious points of view. The policies on the Neutral Point Of View are some of the most (if not the most) important policies of Wikipedia. Reasons for deletion suggestion are as follows:
* Five links point to the site Arab News. Four of those are opinion pieces. Only one of them is a news story but it is neither cited to back a point in the article nor is it a particularly informative source on it.
* One link points to Little Green Footballs, a site that is not only well known as an extremist right-wing website but even has that fact advertised in their own mission statement, in which they state that they are not interested in representing all sides. This goes against Wikipedia's policy on Neutral Point of View. In addition to that, the site is a blog (i.e. a self-published source). By Wikipedia's standards, blogs (and self-published sources in general) are largely unacceptable sources.
* One link points to the site Asia News, a self-professed religious website. Furthermore, the story itself contains weasel words and unsubstantiated allegations.
* One link points to the Toronto Sun, a populist conservative tabloid with a documented history of sensationalism.
The 3 links under "External Links" (BBC, Amnesty International and the official site of the article's subject) are acceptable by Wikipedia's standards.
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thread_title:  Suggested removal of entire sub-section 

message: there are a number of concerns regarding the neutrality of this article (as well as Mutaween). some of the language used here is unduly emotive and opinionated ("... have developed some notoriety for suppressing ...", "One of the most extreme examples of mutaween enforcement of Sharia law...", "...members enjoyed almost total power to arrest, detain, and interrogate..."). that's only the most overt passages, there are others with more implicit bias. one or two of the sources also aren't exactly the most appropriate, such as "asianews.it", a missionary website. ITAQALLAH 19:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: some of your changes have been very productive. what do you think about using asianews.it as a source? any chance of finding a better quality source? ITAQALLAH 17:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: So long as the article continues to reference AsiaNews (a Christian site), it will hardly be credible.  --SlightlyInsane 11:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is text written by Christians necessarily less reliable than your personal memories of your personal discussions with Saudi religious policemen (which would seem to be anecdotal WP:OR)? AnonMoos 12:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: neutrality issues

message: This article is kind of unencyclopedic in that it contains no history except a few recent news incidents.  When was this agency created?  Did it have any predecessors in earlier Saudi governments? -68.91.148.162 (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs history

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message: . My concern is the addition of the content by  that stated  and providing a source where the source stated that bin Laden is indeed from Saudi Arabia and have participated in Taliban activities. However, I think that inclusion of Biden Laden is WP:UNDUE as he have no business at all with the Committee. Their practice may be similar, but they do not have clear connection, and should not be on the article. I think that bin Laden should not be included on the article. Thoughts? SunDawntalk 08:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's on the section about similar groups that exist elsewhere, and what influences they may have drawn from this organization; the fact that he was from Saudi Arabia and was also a big-shot Taliban guy (if I understand correctly) seems relevant here, although I'll admit to not knowing much about the geopolitical situation in question. jp×g 08:59, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes you are right, JP. He was a big shot guy right from the start. About the geopolitical situation, well, Saudi Arabia and other countries helped Afghan Taliban fight the Russian/Soviet troops in the old days. Later, Afghanistan gave him shelter. The Taliban shared the same ideology.103.246.39.46 (talk) 03:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I propose this edit,  This will include bin Laden as the leader of Taliban, but also didn't make the sentence out of place by mentioning him specially. Thoughts? SunDawntalk 03:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Taliban's religious police was indeed largely modeled on the Saudi Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice; however, bin Laden was not part of the inner circle of either the Taliban regime or the Saudi monarchy at the time. Casually mentioning that bin Laden, a notorious terrorist, was born in Saudi Arabia in every article related to Saudi Arabia might be true, but it is also a random, off-topic shout-out and WP:SYNTH absent a RS that clearly connects it to the topic of the article. Describing bin Laden as a Taliban leader would be factually incorrect.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sundawn, your edit is good. But just say that he was a senior leader. He was not "the" leader. 103.246.39.46 (talk) 03:49, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Bin Laden was not a senior Taliban leader.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he was a senior leader but not the top leader.103.246.39.46 (talk) 05:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Source???TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Al–Qaeda and the Taliban are completely separate organizations...TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  They are separate organisations now, but back then, not quite.103.246.39.46 (talk) 05:34, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bin Laden