Talk:Maurice Beddow Bayly

message: In 1919, at Dallas, Texas, U.S.A., ten children were killed and sixty others made seriously ill by toxin-antitoxin which had passed the tests of the New York State Health Department. The Mulford Company, at Philadelphia, the manufacturers, paid damages in every case. 2. In 1924, twenty-five children in Bridgewater and twenty in Concord, U.S.A., were poisoned by toxin-antitoxin. Many had high fevers, and their arms turned black and swelled to two or three times their normal size.  3. In 1924 (September) of 40 children immunised with toxin-antitoxin in a home for infants at Baden, near Vienna, six died and a number suffered from skin necroses of various sizes at the site of the injection.....4. In 1928, the Lancet of February 4th (p. 249), refers to "a more recent Russian disaster " (Bull. Hygiene, August 1927, p. 667) in which " 14 children received toxin in place of anatoxin (i.e., toxoid); eight of them died within two weeks, four of polyneuritis within a month and two recovered after symptoms of general intoxication." 5. In 1927 also there were five deaths in immunised children in China, thirty-seven others being made seriously ill. 6. In 1928, at Bundaberg, Australia, twelve children out of seventeen who were inoculated with toxin-antitoxin died, the five others being critically ill for some time. The material had been issued and declared safe by the Public Health Department of Queensland.....7. In 1930, at Medellin, Columbia, South America, forty-eight children were inoculated, with the result that many were taken ill during the same night, one died the following afternoon, fourteen others within sixty hours and two more within six weeks—a total of sixteen deaths.  ......8. In 1932, at Charolles, in France, 172 children were immunised with anatoxin (toxoid). All were taken ill soon afterwards, developing local abscesses with abundant suppuration, necessitating surgical intervention in several cases. In one case the child died. The parents of the children demanded an official enquiry, but no explanation of the tragedy has so far been forthcoming.........In the province of Chiavari over 80 inoculated children were gravely affected, some being paralysed in arms and legs, others having their sight injured. One child died. In Venice and Rovigo severe symptoms, including paralysis, supervened and death occurred in ten cases."--Beddow Bayley  (1939 Book: The Schick Inoculation Against Diphtheria) john 16:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deaths and serious reactions from diptheria vaccine

message: Come on, help me with this - what sort of doctor was he - what was his specialty?
A previous version of the article (the first I think) described him as being "of the (London) Royal College of Surgeons" but that isn't accurate if it was based on his MRCS.
It may not be apparent to everyone, but proper specialist surgeons are expected to be Fellows of that college - FRCS.
(removed digression on COnjoint which will find a home elsewhere and on further examination applies to LRCS not MRCS.)
So, back to Dr Bayly... he qualified (when) from (which) university with what degree.
He didn't, as listed, obtain fellowship or MRCP - in those days (when?) it was far from necessary unless one wanted to be a Physician or Surgeon or any other sort of specialist.
He would have had his first job at a hospital (which) in the "house", and then gone looking for another job (what?).
Pursued that until he retired or died (when)
He is described as a medical historian at http://www.health.org.nz/heart.html which is copied from Whale.to or vice versa, without indication of any discrimination as to whether it is a good description (promiscuous reduplication again)
but most historians publish a bit more, and mostly on y'know, history so perhaps that is a sideline to his real interest.  WHich was (drum roll) 
over to the biographers here who report that he was a significant historical figure.
(Have a look at Feynman for a biography, or William_Osler or Avicenna who _were_ signifciant historical figures, and have actual biographies in WP, if you want to see what one of either looks like.
Midgley 22:30, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: while we are at it, can any passer-by point any of us at "A comparison with the statistics of the armies of other European countries..." with an anti-vacationist stance upon it.  Midgley 19:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career 

message: Ombudsman's edit did not fit the description he attached to it in teh history - of "rm graffiti".
This fails to give that appearance of an attempt at scrupulous honesty and truthfulness that is very helpful in any collaborative enterprise.
In what fashion, the {fact} tag asked, is this man significant as Ombudsman described him.
He looks, on Googling and on inspection of this stump of an articlette to be very uninteresting, and to have had no significance.  Is the article giving an unrealistic impression of him as a man and doctor and presumably member of a family?  WP:BIO may help anyone who has not the faintest idea what a biographical article should be.
He is a footnote in history, thus far, and that footnote belongs on present reading to an article about the people involved witht he only thing anyone her has offered as what he did in his life.  Midgley 12:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a good criterion is whether it would be worthy of QI. All I can find QI about Beddow Bayly is that he was, like many of the BUAV/NAVL members of that era, "a devoted Theosophist" (as reported in the brief obit in Theosophist Magazine, January 1962-August 1962) and that he was one of the speakers at a 1928 meeting protesting against Serge Voronoff's monkey gland implants. 86.140.106.125 19:47, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FX:claps.  Is the Obit available in any reasonable form?  Midgley 19:55, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Books. When I say brief, I mean brief: "Dr Beddow Bayly was a devoted Theosophist and a much-respected member of the English section, active both in the Society and in work for the protection of animals." 86.140.106.125 21:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THanks.  Nothing like making a ripple in the surface of life as you slip under, is there.  I wonder if any of the monkeys were interviewed.  Midgley 00:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ombudsman edit with contrafactual description 

message: An anonymous user suggested that his edit history would indicate something:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=86.10.231.219
It does.  But not what he indicated it would.
I expect mine does as well (eclectic is too strong a word, but I do seem to have more than three interests)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Midgley
Assume good faith is fine, but presenting something as evidence which is evidence of the opposite raises the question of whether this is an inability to see the world as it appears from a different POV, part of holding a theory of mind which seems to be one of the things we claim sets us apart from other mammals, or else an assumption that readers will not look at the link given, since they are lazy or their minds are made up without reference to any facts adduced.  Not so round here, at least.  Midgley 14:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User's edit histories 

message: I've no idea how that deletion happened. Probably a wild swipe of the mouse.  Midgley 23:06, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorry about that 

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