Talk:Fuck/Archive 2

message: I spent a long time expanding the
thumb
 Hebrew part. Then it tells me it's impossible, since I'm no admin. Well, you got screwed. I'm not doing this again.
:Well shit!  Had we realised that you were the only person who could work in the "Hebrew part", you'd have had admin status right away!  PrometheusX303 13:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey - cut that out! :(  --ElKevbo 14:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screw you, Wikis. 

message: so why does the phrase "in code because of its unacceptability," appear under etymology?
Say the fucking words, goddamnit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.179.232.3 (talk • contribs) 21 May 2006  (UTC)
Wow , pay attention to what you read. The word fuck first appeared in code because of its unacceptibility in a poem. BauerPower 20:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, to put it a tiny bit more clearly - that sentence was referring to the word being "in code" in the poem, due to its unacceptability. Runa27 21:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia is not censored 

message: Isn't much of this part taken from the "History of The F' Word" flash movie on multiple sites such as funnyjunk.com ? Does that matter?
:To be fair, it is included as an external link (which double as a references section, though it really shoul dbe named as such) The JPS 23:15, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Au contraire. It is both. Quote: A profanity (or "swear word", or "curse word", or "foul language") is a word, expression, or other usage which is generally considered insulting, rude or vulgar.  Runa27 21:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  linguistics 

message: Hi! I noticed that there are many so-called F*ck words in other languages.  I noticed the Japanese word because I am Japanese.  There is no such word in Japan and Fuzakeru meand to Joke around.  It is not a swear.  Also, it is not a vulgar word. I find this disturbing because this is giving false information to people.  I find this highly offensive.  I really want this section to be deleted.  What is the point of knowing the terrible language in other country's language.  Fuzakeru, Yaru is not a swear word.  Yaru is indeed means to do and in situation, it can mean to have sex.  But it is not a swear like English.  Swearing is more of Christian tradition.  Japan is not a Christian country. Yaru cannot be a swear because does not equal the word f*ck.  F*ck off does not equal, Yaroze!  Please don't degrade Wikipedia with this information.  Thanks.
:Are you saying that japanese do not swear? That is pretty ridiculous.
::They do, but not necessarily using words that mean "sex". DenisMoskowitz 23:02, 2005 August 27 (UTC)
:::The anon is trying to explain that Japanese is a lot more sensitive to expressing deference to hierarchical relationships between members of society. In Japanese, verbs and adjectives have special conjugations that express the hierarchical relationship between the speaker and the listener. And it goes far beyond that. Entirely different verbs are used to express what someone of a higher social status is doing, compared to what the speaker (who is always expected to be humble) is doing. There are also various honorific prefixes used for nouns to show respect to the listener and there even ways of expressing a sentence where you simultanuously express your own humility, your deference to the listener and respect to the third party you're talking about, mostly with just verb conjugations and a few prefixes. There's even a special conjugation to express disrespect to the listener. The end result is that you don't need to call someone a "goat-shagging son of a one-eyed tax lawyer" to get them seriously pissed off, but it's just enough to drop all honorifics and address, for example, your boss like you would address a drinking buddy to get you in serious trouble.
:::As for the article, if you want to list translations, do it at the Wiktionary article. Wikipedia is not a dictionary and we're not in the business of providing translations of either words or concepts that isn't immidiately relevant to the article. And as you can see above, cursing and explicit very seldom translate properly to other languages, not even ones that are very closely related. "Fuck" is no exception. If you're hellbent on keeping an article about a word that isn't actually an encyclopedic concept, then at least stick to English.
:::Peter Isotalo 17:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with trying to find swear words in other languages 

message: I have removed the following:
::The following anecdote appears in one of Niall Ferguson's absorbing studies of the British Empire. On the eve of independence for the colony of South Yemen, the last British governor hosted a dinner party attended by Denis Healey, then the minister for defense. Over the final sundown cocktail, as the flag was about to be lowered over the capital of Aden, the governor turned to Healey and said, "You know, Minister, I believe that in the long view of history, the British Empire will be remembered only for two things." What, Healey was interested to know, were these imperishable aspects? "The game of soccer. And the expression 'fuck off.'"
It appears in Hitchens C. A Very, Very Dirty Word: The British Empire's second-greatest gift to the world. Slate, July 6 2004. Ref.—encephalon 03:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: I think the author of the second paragraph of the fake etymologies section might be confusing a made-up backstory to the word f*ck with what I think is the true origin of the British two-fingered sign for f*ck off. That story goes that a common tactic towards prisoners in the hundred years' war was to cut off their index and middle fingers so they could no longer fire bows, and the English bowmen used to wave their fingers at the French to show that they did have these finger, and so would be shooting arrows at them. 
Unless someone can correct me, I will delete this paragraph.  Rich 00:28, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second Fake Etymologies Paragraph 

message: Where did it go? Zach (Sound Off) 03:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle finger photo 

message: The article leaves out a very popular variation on the word "fuck" used extensively in the English speaking Caribbean, most notably Jamaica. This is the use of the noun "fuckery" which translates best to the English word "gibberish", or the term "unacceptable behaviour". In a sentence such as "He is talking pure fuckery!!", this can be translated to "He is talking pure gibberish!!"; while "At the party they kept up a lot of fuckery" could be translated as "At the party they displayed unacceptable behaviour".
Logan3d 06:53, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good approximate translation would be "bullshit", or something? 惑乱 分からん 10:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caribbean "gibberish" 

message: I have deleted the following part, because it is simply wrong. Here is the original Washington Post article 
:The Washington Times, in a show of journalistic prudence, reported that the Vice President "urged Mr. Leahy to perform an anatomical sexual impossibility."
--84.155.66.215 22:27, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: journalistic prudence

message: While everyone probably knows what fuck means I think that articles about specific words should start by a dictionary definition, rather than postponing discussion of its meaning to the "early usage" section.
Why not add some line at the top, to specify that this is slightly vulgar when used as a verb, that it is also used as an expletive, etc, etc.
Because Wikipedia is not a dictionary.--
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Why the fuck are you linking to a policy page that you didn't even read?
Dudewhiterussian 05:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  say what it means! 

message: The 19 April 2004 "Language Log" blog entry, written by linguist Mark Liebermann, discusses why some verbs "take completive up" (e.g., "polish up", "finish up") while others do not (we don't usually find "complete up").
:What's going on here? Is it just a random fact about verbs that some of them can take completive up and some of them can't?
:No, there are clearly some things that separate the two lists. Etymological source is somewhat predictive (verbs of germanic origin tend to work, verbs of romance or latinate origin tend not to), and so is sound structure (short verbs tend to work, long verbs tend not to). In some cases where these (correlated) properties aren't predictive, another relevant question seems to be whether the verb in question was in general use in 14th century English.
Here is information about Polish swear words (including  "fuck") - Swear words in Polish language. 
Hmmm.  Fuck goes back to Middle English, we can be fairly sure, and the first printed citation (as this article says) was sometime before 1500.  Moreover, two commonly preferred etymologies link the word to German ficken and Common Germanic fuk–, yes?  All of which would explain why we can say "fuck up", of which "screw up" is a bowlderization, I bet.  Anville 11:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymological influence upon usage 

message: This looks like original research to me. I removed it from the article.
<<
Connection with Dravidian languages?
The Sanskrit language is derived from Indo-European. This raises another interesting debate about where the root pug could have originated. In the course of time Sanskrit and the Dravidian language Tamil have taken many words from each other. In Tamil pugu means "go inside", and pugudhal is a verb which literally means "to get inside". Medieval Dravidian kings as early as 800 AD had trade relations with the Greeks, which could substantiate the cross-continental version. The trade relations are evident from the epigraphs and coinages of ancient Tamils as affirmed by Archeological Survey of India at http://asi.nic.in/ . Also an extensive Research theory for Greek roots in Tamil is found http://www.datanumeric.com/dravidian/index.html . However, this linguistic derivation would need one of these things:-
: The root pug travelled from Sanskrit to Tamil, not the other way.
: The root pug travelled very early from ancestral Dravidian to common Indo-European.
: The root pug travelled very early from common Indo-European to ancestral Dravidian.
: The root pug came from a common ancestor of common Indo-European and ancestral Dravidian: see Nostratic.
: The new controversial theory that the Indo-European languages originated in India.
: Coincidence.
>>
Yahussain 04:11, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dravidian languages 

message: I removed a couple of Monty Python attributions that i believe were wrong.
glauber 00:23, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monty Python 

message: fuck means cojeme, in spanish
    - Good for you.
::Cojer in Castilian Spanish means to catch, but in South American Spanish means to fuck. Thus a perfectly innocent phrase in Castilian, Quiero cojer el bus (I want to catch the bus) is frequently met with the ironic rejoinder, Por el caño? (Up the exhaust?)
::Nuttyskin 01:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fuck 

message: Done in haste out of shock. reverted to pre vandalized state.
Mikereichold 21:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vfd 

message: I removed this statement: In 1900, Albert Edward, Prince of Wales said, "Fuck it, I've taken a bullet" when he was shot while standing on a Brussels railway platform. I'm fairly sure it's bogus and was unable to verify on Google. OhNoitsJamieTalk 17:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward VII quote 

message: I don't have anything against the word "fuck," in fact it's often quite useful (and perhaps even appropriate).  However, wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary.  Any particular reason we need an entire article on it?  I mean, it's used in some rather, ahem, interesting ways, but seriously.  Wiktionary anyone? - JustinWick 04:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the word has enough cultural significance that it merits an entry in Wikipedia as well as Wiktionary. OhNoitsJamieTalk 05:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In that case, we should get some non-dictionary content in here...  this looks like a bloated version of an OED entry (and not even as good) - JustinWick 08:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question of appropriateness 

message: Should the cockney Rhyming Slang 'Donald Duck' be added? Gretnagod 03:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, no, it is non-notable and unencyclopedic trivia.  Can't sleep, clown will eat me 03:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But cockney rhyming slang is used throughout the Anglo-Saxon world, particularly Australia. And, considering you admit is is solely your opinion, don't you admit you were a bit hasty in reverting the edit? Gretnagod 03:12, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In fact, if you really want an adminship, surely you should try to culture other members as your current addiction to reverting as many edits, as quicky as possible, doesn't seem to be doing you any favours. Gretnagod 03:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see the trolls are in a bit early tonight.  :)  Monkeyman 03:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What I am really getting at is that I think a decent Cockney Rhyming slang debate needs to be considered, that's all. Gretnagod 01:14, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What encyclopedia have you ever read that has a whole section dedicated to the word Fuck or conotations or ryhmes thereof?  It's pretty simple, it's a slang word used for one thing in the 21st century...slang.  Slang != Encylcopedia. -Moocats 18:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  True, but then again how many encyclopedias have you read that have a section on things as obscure as quotes from cartoons that are only used once, ie Can't sleep, clown will eat me? Gretnagod 21:16, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...it's probably worth noting that that article is up for deletion. We're dealing with the line of what's encyclopedic and what's not here. I tend to agree with Ch'marr (below) -- even if Cockney rhyming slang is sufficiently notable to have an article to itself (as I beleive that it is), that doesn't mean that every other article that could possibly contain a reference to Cockney rhyming slang has to do so. If that were Wikipedia-wide policy, articles would become clogged with barely-relevant information. Hbackman 01:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Can't sleep, clown will eat me -- Agreed. Hbackman 04:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: For one, I'm Australian, and I've never heard that particular rhyming slang. -- Ch'marr 23:30, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That doesn't appear to be the case with the other entries. For example Britney Spears is mentioned in the Cockney rhyming slang article, but there's no mention of it on the Britney Spears page. Ie, notability is not necessarily communititve. -- Ch'marr 21:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cockney Rhyming Slang 

message: There is a video on the internet called "History of the F--- Word". It's quite accurate.
:No it is not.  The imfamous pre-www F-Word audio piece, and the flash movie that someone made to go with it (complete with erroneous attribution to Monty Python) is a humour piece.  While it does make some sound observations, it is far from historically accurate.  Fuck is a centries-old word, of which the origins are not known with any certainty. —StationaryTraveller 01:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Reference 

message: In the gay world the word fuck seems to be the normal way to describe anal intercourse and intercourse with another guy. The act of fucking and being fucked, just seems normal. Could be in the straight world too *shrugs* —Preceding unsigned comment added by JayKeaton (talk • contribs) 
I have to say I'm not quite sure what you're after here... I think that fucking is normal regardless of sexual orientation, as is referring to intercourse by using the word "fucking..." Hbackman 23:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Normal usage in modern world 

message: "The etymology of fuck has given rise to a great deal of speculation, which should be regarded skeptically." So is it the etymology itself which we should regard skeptically or the subsequent speculation?  It is unclear from context which reading was intended. - IstvanWolf 22:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity 

message: A few things I need to clarify about the "Usage of Fuck" bit:
1) This is not "based on" anything from any George Carlin album I've listened to, any George Carlin HBO Special I've watched, or any part of any George Carlin book I've read.  Now, granted, there is one HBO Special I haven't seen, but I have listened to the album version of that special.  Carlin talks about words and language in general, "swear words" in particular, and the word "fuck" specifically.  These points are not in debate.  However, this "Usage of Fuck" bit appears to be purely modelled after educational records and grammar lessons, and the word "fuck" happens to be the subject.  Many comedians, authors, public speakers, etc have discussed and dissected the word, and portions of the routine in question is no doubt based on some of those works, however I cannot find anything from Carlin's body of work which it resembles.  It does, however, closely resembles a Bowser and Blue routine called "The Use of the Word 'Fuck' in Canada", but I'm pretty sure the Bowser and Blue piece was written after this bit.
2) On the other hand, because Carlin has discussed the word at great length, it has commonly been mis-attributed to him on various peer-to-peer networks and services.  Any Carlin fans who were frequent users of Napster when it was new (and free, and actually useful) likely came across a handful of copies of a file called "George Carlin - Usage of Fuck.mp3".
In summary, can we please have Carlin's name mentioned in this only by virtue of the fact that some nitwits on the internet don't know what the hell they're talking about?  He had nothing to do with it, and it's not based on his work. - Ugliness Man 14:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The link that I cited claimed that it was originally a short routine by Carlin that was expanded. I have to say that it sounds familiar. There are, however, many other assertions. There's one that it was Lenny Bruce (probably just on the basis of the profanity). The majority of assertions are that it was Monty Python (possible if it was one of their touring items from the 80s, but doubtful) or Carlin (it's close to Calin's style from 7 words, and certainly he did a LOT of standup that I've never heard over the years). There's even a long list of lyrics sites that claim the text is from an "unknown" Adam Sandler album.... Still, I've cited what I consider to be the most reasonable seeming source. What's yours? I think it's a mistake to assume that just because you've listened to his HBO specials and read his books that you're aware of the full body of his work over the course of decades. Then again, a lot of cruft is associated with Carlin that he never said. -Harmil 16:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He has stated on his website that there are many things floating around the internet that are attributed to him that he had nothing to do with.  He goes on to state that if the material being attributed to him does not appear on one of his albums, in one of the HBO Specials, or in one of his books, then it's not him.  In reverse, this means that being familiar with all his recorded and printed material can say with at least a bit of authority whether or not the "Usage of Fuck" routine is - even loosely - based on something that is genuinely his.  Unless you can cite a specific section of a specific book, or a specific track of a specific album, the claim that this piece was based on anything by him is mostly baseless.  It would be like giving Weird Al some sort of credit for a Bob Rivers parody, based simply on the fact that Al is best known for parody.  The onus is not on me to "prove" that it's not based on a Carlin work, since proving such a negative would involve nothing less than me quoting all of his work and noting the absense. The onus is on someone making that claim to point to the genuine Carlin work it is supposedly based on, rather than a vague reference to his general themes. - Ugliness Man 16:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, remember that this is not an adversarial process. I'm not putting the onus on you to prove anything so much as cite your sources. If you can cite a quote from his site that says that a routine of his was not the basis for this, then fine, but you put text in the article which specifically says that neither Python nor Carlin were the original source, and I'm saying that we don't know that for sure. It seems that you agree, but feel there's strong reason to believe that at least Carlin may not have been the source. Ok, fair. Still, the text that you added to the page and the citation given don't agree with your statements here. Let's just clear that up, and get something short (since it's an external link entry) into the article that accurately reflects what we know, not what be believe. -Harmil 18:38, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now you're talking in circles.  Out of 18 albums, 13 HBO Specials and 4 books, I'm supposd to "cite a source" that something wasn't said in any of these 35 items?  You claim this isn't adversarial, but we appear to have reached a paradox.  The phrase "Elementary, my dear Watson" never appeared in any of the original Sherlock Holmes books.  The only "source" I could really cite would be the complete bibliography of all of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Holmes books.  Someone may be able to prove that something is contained within a body of work like that, but how does one "prove" that something isn't contained within it?  You want a source?  First, check the trivia section on the George Carlin article.  Read the first item.  Second, the quote from Carlin's official site to which that item is referring: "Here's a rule of thumb, folks: Nothing you see on the Internet is mine unless it came from one of my albums, books, HBO shows, or appeared on my website."  Therefore if someone says that something didn't come from him, and someone else says that it did come from him, the second person is the one who should be required to "cite a source".  If that isn't enough for you, I don't think anything will be. - Ugliness Man 22:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Usage of Fuck" 

message: I just wanted to mention that I support the removal of the John Cena mention... then again, I'm biased because I can't stand pro wrestling.  However, if it is really considered noteworthy, it might be better as a mention in the articles for minced oath or euphemism rather than here. - Ugliness Man 11:56, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Cena 

message: This article should be removed. It is a vile use of the internet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.4.203.75 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 20 April 2006.
:Wikipedia is not censored. Hbackman 06:15, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly agree with you, Hbackman! --Siva1979Talk to me 21:12, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Hehe, I like that comment :-D Don't use the Net that way... Medico80 11:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  delete 

message: You say "please don't be so hostile". I'm sorry if I sound hostile. I think Wikipedia is a potentially valuable resource that is being trivialized in almost every corner by the addition of garbage. NOT: "you are garbage", but "fuck truck" is garbage. 
It's interesting that you would use the word "consensus" when in fact the result of the vote was "no consensus". This is a fundamental problem with Wikipedia, in that the only people who CARE about articles are those who are passionately attached to trivia, so articles stand when no rational person could possibly believe in them. It's TRIVIA. 
There's no possible way that this bus service is notable in any way, shape or form; most students of the institutions involved have never heard of it, let alone the wider audience. Be that as it may. The article was allowed to stand, stupidly. But the connection to the phrase "fuck truck" has NO CURRENCY with anyone. The discussion made it clear that even among Wellesley students, almost none of them use the term. And Wikipedia is not for Wellesley students. Nor is it a repository for funny stuff that was in Rolling Stone.
The phrase "fuck truck" illuminates NOTHING about the word "fuck". It's not even the primary usage of the phrase! Admittedly, it's barely in the top twenty of things that are wrong with this article, but it is profoundly exemplary of those problems. Its inclusion is in reference only to the sniggering, would-be-transgressive trivial remarks. It doesn't illuminate any cultural trend; it doesn't say anything about college life; it doesn't say anything about the growth of language. It doesn't resonate, period. The redirect to the Senate Bus remains in place. But putting it here? It's funny. If you go to Wellesley. Period.
I'm not anti-"fuck" (or anti-fuck for that matter); I've used the word in conversation more times than you've had hot dinners. I've even giggled over "fuck truck" a few times -- though not in reference to anything taking place in Cambridge or Somerville. I just want this article -- and Wikipedia -- to not suck so hard. Every day I look things up -- important things -- and they're not here. Why isn't the energy being directed there instead of jokes in "fuck"? Because this is the very definition of sophomoric. "Fuck" is giggles, and an exaggerated sense of freedom. "Fuck truck" is the kind of thing that belongs on Urban Dictionary or I Love Bacon or some such college-humor site.
So: keep your fucking fuck truck. But know that Wikipedia is just a little tiny bit stupider because of it. I'm not hostile, and I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fnarf999 (talk • contribs) 24 April 2006  (UTC)
:Well, obviously I disagree. As a graduate of one of the insitututions served by the fuck truck I can tell you that it is a well known piece of collegiate lore. Beyond that, the term meets a conventional guideline for notability because if its inclusion in a national publication. I completely agree with you that the fuck truck is trivial, but it does seem that notability has been established (something can be notable and trivial -- see wikipedia's extensive coverage of soap operas for example).  Moreover, if you read the article in question, you will see that it directly responds to your argument that the "fuck truck" says nothing about college life. In fact, it says quite a bit about the experience of attending a single-sex institution such as Wellesley this day in age -- the stereotypes, the inconvenience of co-ed socializing, etc. That said, if you really think the Wellesley College Senate Bus is so non notable, why don't you nominate it for deletion? Interestingstuffadder 06:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't nominate it because such a nomination has no chance of success. The vast portion of the population that has never heard of it and would regard its inclusion in an encyclopedia will never even see the controversy, and the only ones who care are partisans of the article. But it cheapens Wikipedia. How many other college shuttles are there in the world? Thousands? I know the University of Washington here in Seattle has one. I'm sure it has a funny nickname too -- I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that it's "fuck truck". Should it be in the encyclopedia? No. But my experience has been it's almost impossible to get garbage articles out of Wikipedia because a significant percentage of Wikipedia editors prefer garbage. But more to the point of "fuck truck" -- you can't be serious. The tragedy of Wellesley students' difficulty in procuring sex partners is possibly a matter of concern and interest, and belongs in an article about Wellesley. It doesn't belong in an article about "fuck". The Rolling Stone article confers a VERY small amount of notoriety onto Wellesley, but none on the word "fuck". This article is an abomination; it's one of the worst articles on Wikipedia. It's at least 50% garbage, and "fuck truck" is part of that 50%. Tragic. Fnarf999 15:58, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly does wikipedia lose by erring on the side of inclusiveness? Interestingstuffadder 22:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, credibility. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuck Truck 

message: Firstly, this section seems like it should be "Usage in Popular Culture", not "Popular Usage". Be that as it may - both movie titles that were used as examples of using the word "fuck" in the title do NOT actually USE the word in the title! The titles are "S.F.W." which STANDS for "So Fucking What," and "Totally F***ed Up". If anything these titles speak as a testament to the fact that even in art the word is frequently censored due to it's explicity. Can anyone cite a film that uses the UNCENSORED word in the title? Pacian 20:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't there some concert film (by the Beastie Boys, perhaps?) recently released that was called something like Fucking Awesome, I Filmed That!? Hbackman 04:37, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is indeed. Hbackman 04:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular usage 

message: That deletion was an accident, my browser seems to have a problem with really long text boxes. :( INVERTED 21:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sorry! 

message: This nomination is ridiculous.  Fuck is a well established and long running article on Wikipedia.  An IP Vandal should not be able to stop that. --Alphachimp talk 03:58, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedy Delete Nomination 

message: left|65pxI removed the image, shown at left, from the lead-in section of the article. I don't think that it adds anything to the content of the article, although it is contextually important. If someone wanted to write a section (or maybe there already is on some article..) on the use of hand signs to represent terms such as "fuck you", it would be appropriate. If anyone has any objections to this removal, please voice them here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wes! (talk • contribs) 
 I also have removed the image to the right. While the picture was placed in the popular usage section and contained a useful caption ("in the United States, a middle finger symbolizes the word fuck"), the image has countless artifacts and irregularities. I'm still not convinced that showing a picture of a hand gesture is appropriate without fully explaining the use of hand gestures. A link to the finger is more in line with the article's needs. Wes! • Tc 18:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of images 

message: This page is getting rather long.PierceG 21:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About time to archive? 

message: I'm not sure how to add a citation to the article, but the bit about Shaun Ryder being banned from appearing live on Channel 4 is in the Channel 4 Compliance Manual:
http://www.channel4.com/corporate/4producers/resources/documents/ComplianceManual.pdf
(From: http://www.channel4.com/corporate/4producers/resources/resources-guidelines.html )
It's on page 108 (appendix 6, section 3.8):
Please note that the Channel 4 Board has undertaken to the ITC that Shaun Ryder will not appear live on Channel 4.
FredOrAlive 12:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaun Ryder and Channel 4 

message: This has been dealt with before on a handful of articles, but people are still having trouble with the concept...
::More popularly published is his famous "Filthy Words" routine, better known as "Seven Words You Can Never Say On Television."
No.  Just to be clear, I'll say it again... No.  People keep wanting to claim that either Carlin has performed only one routine on the subject, and it keeps getting referred to by several names, or that he's responsible for every routine on the subject.  Please allow me to offer a basic history lesson.
The routine called "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" was on the 1972 album Class Clown.  Incidentally, the title of that track links to the Seven dirty words article, which is something that anyone keeping an eye on this article should also check out.  
A different routine, dealing with the same subject matter, called "Filthy Words", appeared on his 1973 album Occupation: Foole.  It was the "Filthy Words" routine which got played on WBAI and led to a legal kerfuffle.
A lot of this article is already a mess, and I don't know what would be the best way to edit that particular paragraph, except to suggest that someone with better editing skills give it a complete overhaul.  The following details might help...
Variations on the three comments mentioned in the paragraph, which I will refer to as "make fuck, not kill", "Sheriff" and "fuck the ump", appeared on the two albums mentioned, as well as his first two HBO specials, 1977's George Carlin at USC, and 1978's George Carlin: Again!.  Here's a breakdown on which comment actually appeared in which routine:
*Seven Words... contained "Sherriff".
*Filthy Words contained "fuck the ump".
*Both HBO specials contained "make fuck not kill" and "Sherriff".
I wonder, would there be some way for me to provide a transcription of the three routines for the sake of clarity and verification, without violating copyright?  The Occupation: Foole routine is already transcribed in the Text of the FCC v. Pacifica Foundation decision, so I would only need to be transcribing the other two. - Ugliness Man 12:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlin Confusion 

message: Really? ’67? That seems kind of late to me… Wiki Wikardo 08:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First rock song 

message: There is WAY too much vandalism on this article. --User: Arniep
:Yes, but it reveals the extent of a typical vandal's vocabulary. PrometheusX303 02:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Level of vandalism  

message: Ave.
It is also a possibility that the word "Fuck" in its connotation to sex comes from the dutch word "fokken", which means to breed with animals. This in turn is derived from the sanskrit word which means "to grow" (Farm)
:The Dutch connection is plausible, but unproven, the Sanskrit connection seems more unlikely, I might be wrong, but I think a Sanskrit cognate would look like "puj". Which Sanskrit word are you talking about, and where did you read it? 惑乱 分からん 16:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch Connection 

message: The date 2002 needs to be changed to 2003 in the reference to Kerry and his interview with Rolling Stone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.231.238.65 (talk • contribs) 09:12, 21 June 2006
:Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome.  --ElKevbo 16:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  only works when the article isn't semi-protected or the user isn't an ip. Mak (talk) 06:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: For about the zillionth time, that is one of the many false etymologies.  It makes for an interesting story, and has bits and pieces of fact interwoven, but it's not the origin of the word.  Please read the actual article before perpetuating these urban myths, and if you do choose to continue discussing the article here, please sign your comments. - Ugliness Man 12:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please fix 

message: I spent a long time expanding the Hebrew part. Then it tells me it's impossible, since I'm no admin. Well, you got screwed. I'm not doing this again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.5.132 (talk • contribs) 09:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well shit!  Had we realised that you were the only person who could work in the "Hebrew part", you'd have had admin status right away!  PrometheusX303 13:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey - cut that out! :(  --ElKevbo 14:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screw you, Wikis. 

message: I just removed some unnecessary elaboration on Vonnegut's novel "The Big Space Fuck", as it is unrelated to the topic and at best would require its own entry.
What I left is as follows:
"The first short story to include fuck in its title was probably Kurt Vonnegut's "The Big Space Fuck", originally published in 1972. Exhibiting Vonnegut's characteristic blend of pessimism and humor, this story tells of a polluted and overpopulated Earth. On midnight, 4 July 1989, the United States fires the Arthur C. Clarke, a missile whose warhead contains eight hundred pounds of freeze-dried semen, aiming at the Andromeda Galaxy."
I left the brief plot outline as it appears to offer some justification of the title, though I wonder if that itself is necessary?--Pseudosocrates 19:36, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rise of modern usage 

message: I do not see the point in this article. Think about it ... what logical person comes onto Wikipedia to look up the word 'Fuck'? I mean really? Ok ok so your probley wondering how I got to this page? Well I wanted to see if Wikipedia actually did have an article on this (I guess that's how most people discovered it) and they did. But who is really going to spend 10 minutes reading this whole article on the meaning and origins of the word fuck? More than half of the edits to this article are Vandels (even if they are Wikipedia Users). Do we REALLY need this article? User:Decimal10Talk to me! 06:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly a lot of people look at this article, and have worked on it, as you can tell by the fact that it has had a peer review, people have tried to get it featured, and it's been cited as a source for a media outlet. It's a popular word with strong associations, making it a logical word to have an article on. If we didn't have one, one would soon be created. Mak (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Fuck is one of the most curious, controversial, interesting and arguably important words in English and somewhat of a cultural icon. There is no way this article is ever going to be deleted. Yes, we do need this article. mstroeck 21:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be deleted 

message: I had read a long time ago that "fuck" was based on "fock", a Medieval-era farming word meaning "to plow". This seems like a very logical explanation, as it isn't hard to imagine farmers using it as a humourous and/or coarse euphemism for sex.
Unfortunately, I no longer remember where I read it, as it was well over a decade ago. (Maybe Playboy?) Anyway, has anyone else heard of this explanation? Coyotewrw 20:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible origin? 

message: How about this?
fword.mp3
:Heh. oTHErONE 06:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  addition of fword.mp3 

message: Since this page documents the earliest uses of "fuck" in rock records, TV shows and in movies, why not discuss its gradual acceptance in video games? (From appearing in in-game songs in "Crazy Taxi", to being used throughout game dialogue like in "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas"?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ejk81 (talk • contribs) 13:10, July 29, 2006
:Got any good sources discussing this topic?  --ElKevbo 18:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just the games themselves... Emile 19:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'd need more than that to discuss "its gradual acceptance in video games."  It sounds interesting and I'd love to see you (or anyone else) add something to the article if there are good sources from which we can add information!  --ElKevbo 19:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'll go ahead and create a section on its earliest uses, and others can contribute more detailed information with the necessary references if they can.Emile 20:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's done. Additional contributions are welcome, particularly if anyone knows of other examples of the word in a video game that I haven't cited.Emile 21:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the spirit of collegiality, I'll let it sit out there a few days to see if anyone else has anything else to add.  But the whole thing looks like a mess of original research to me...  --ElKevbo 21:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is a need to remove these references right away. Millions and millions of people have played those games, any inaccuracies would very probably soon be discussed here. mstroeck 21:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, it's all verifiable fact, I'm not spouting personal theories. If anything I wrote is false, I'd like for it to be corrected. But I think the topic itself has its place in the article. Emile 00:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, Crazy Taxi is NOT the first game to use the F-word. There is some rather strong language in the 1998 PC RPG Fallout 2, including the liberal use of 'fuck'. Not sure on Fallout 1. Also, long before San Andreas' heavy use of the word it was also very present in Rockstar's other game, Manhunt- though I doubt that really broke the barrier like SA did (Manhunt sold quite poorly.) 72.49.248.114 01:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Leisure Suit Larry? Surely you must be able to find examples from the 80's? 惑乱 分からん 00:12, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  I edited the article because the video game section was completely wrong. Not wanting to criticise too much, but claiming Craxy Taxi was the first game to use "fuck" is not only several years off the mark (at least) it shows no attempt at any sort of research. 210.84.63.222 09:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Games 

message: This term is also used in French for the same use: a sail; but it's written in another way, Foc.
I din't know if it would be good to add it in the "Interlingual homophony" section.
:Loanword from Dutch, it seems. I think French borrowed a lot of their maritime vocabulary from Germanic anyway (specifically Dutch and Low Saxon. 惑乱 分からん 16:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The French word for going to university classes is "fac", which is used to humorous ends in the film The Spanish Apartment, so there's some more fodder for this hypothetical "Interlingual homophony". Guypersonson 16:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Norwegian term (fokk) 

message: Should there be a pronunciation next to the word?  How does one pronounce this "fuck"? 
Bcem2 22:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I would like to make it clear that fuck in Swedsih doesn't have the same meaning as in English. It can only be used as an interjection, or in the expression 'Fuck you"'. 217.211.209.236 20:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What? The modern word is a loanword. When it's used as a verb/adjective, it usually corresponds to senses like "fucked up". 惑乱 分からん 22:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish 

message: A recent edit removed the reference to the term "f-bomb" on the basis that "most people" don't say it.  I'm not sure if what "most people" say should be a criteria of whether or not something is noteworthy.  I hear it quite often on CBC Radio, any time the subject of censorship and such comes up in an interview, especially on Brave New Waves (a show where they're allowed to play songs with swear words, uncensored).  Then again, since CBC is Canadian, I wouldn't be surprised if it "doesn't count", since we all know that only American media matters. - Ugliness Man 18:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-bomb 

message: The link to the flash movie is inappropriate for encyclopedic inclusion.  Although it provides examples of "proper" slang usage of fuck in the English language, it is riddled with inaccuracies.  Most notable is their claim at the beginning of the film that fuck comes from the German "frichen."  As our article here at wiki claims, and as a German dictionary will quickly illucidate, the correct word is "fichen," if there is a connection to the German at all.  I have deleted the link, as it doesn't provide justifiable cultural or acadmic content to our work.
:The article is about the correct etymology (as far as it is known), as well as the phenomena surrounding the word.  The fact that there are countless incorrect or questionable etymologies is worth mention.  Linking to this item is not the same as claiming that it's accurate, it's simply a bit of satire, related to the word, that has become popular, and is therefore worth a mention.  I squeezed the link under the sound file from which it originated (which has been part of the article for a long time).  And by the way, it's not Monty Python. - Ugliness Man 00:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm rather surprised that the study of insects enters into this discussion at all. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 00:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: STFU :P - Ugliness Man 00:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Monty Python Video Link