Talk:American Chess Association

message: I have reverted this edit by Amchess. 
*There has been no citations or documentation provided that the ACA incorporated in Nevada is a continuation of the 1800's ACA, as the edit clearly states.
*The edit appears to be by a interested party, given that the edit summary indicated that it was authorized by the recently incorporated ACA.
*There needs to be places to discuss both the old ACA and the new ACA -- -- this article should be where an article about the old ACA can be developed.
-- ArglebargleIV 17:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation of reversion on [[July 10]] [[2007]] 

message: Hi. On what grounds do you believe this article to be nonsense? It's not apparently nonsense from the text. --Dweller 11:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All arguments aside, Amchess's edits are not constructive and are primarily COI. I have added this article to the COI noticeboard; see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#American Chess Association. John Vandenberg 02:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Chess Association 

message: In the journal article "" is the following:
:"Bulletin of the American Chess Association, 1858, 8vo. Allen"
 lists this serials publishing details as "New york, 1858-", and only indicates that Koninklijke Bibliotheek holds it; a search (in en) indicates they have only issue 1. John Vandenberg 03:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulletin of the American Chess Association 

message: In amoungst the recent edit warring, there has been a claim that an "American Chess Monthly" has been in existance since The Chess Monthly in 1857.  Confusion regarding the naming is appears intentional.  There have been a few periodicals that have used the name Chess Monthly, and it appears obvious that none have been continuously published over this period.  If anyone has access to any of the issues before 1923, it would be a good idea to upload them onto Wikisource, especially "The Last of a Veteran Chess Player" (I have added s:Maelzel's Chess-Player). John Vandenberg 15:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Chess Monthly 

message: The article states that $5000 was offered by the ACA, with a ref for "Illustrated London News" that indicates "verification needed".  The "verification needed" can be removed, and the following ref can be added as a copy of the Illustrated London News article appears in the book:
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I think it would be a good idea to make this change while the article is protected as this ref was provided by Amchess. John Vandenberg 21:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 13:57, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustrated London News article, 1857 

message: In this book published in 1969 by the USCF, a "National Chess Registry" is mentioned:
:NATIONAL CHESS REGISTRY, American Chess Association, PO Box 33, Menlo Park, CA 94025, American Chess Association, quarterly, $2.
I cant find any other mention of this registry, on google scholar, books, news archive, and CA business name searches don't appear to be able to be done online. John Vandenberg 16:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was a list of chess clubs (well, technically "USCF affiliates") in a bound volume of Chess Life. I don't think it was ever repeated. Very few chess clubs have any sort of business registry, and tracking down one from 1969 would be extremely difficult. You'd have to find copies of the then state magazine, the California Chess Reporter, and hope to get lucky. The chances of this being related to the 1857 organization or the later Stan Vaughan one are near zero. Eddore 07:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Chess Registry 

message: There are a few misconceptions on this page, that is, some things aren't exactly as they are portrayed. 
"On November 11, 1857, Paul Morphy, who had defeated Louis Paulsen in the tournament, was presented with a silver service at the prize giving by Colonel Charles D. Mead,[citation needed] President of the ACA.[5]" 
First, Morphy didn't receive the silver salver for defeating Paulsen (whether that's what's intended or not, by mentioning Paulsen's name, it's implied). Morphy accepted the silver tray as his prize for winning the tournament, period. The slaver and goblets repaced the intended monetary prize ($300) because a monetary prize was distasteful to Morphy. The inscription on the tray reads:
This Service of Plate
is presented to
PAUL MORPHY
The Victor in the Grand Tournament
at the First Congress
of the
American National Chess Association
New York, 1857
see http://sbchess.sinfree.net/note9.html for a detailed photograph, if that will satisfy the citation folks.
While the 1st American Congress Book, page 123, does indicate that a national association should be established (Oct. 10, 1957) and establishes the name of the association as the American Chess Association, nowhere in the book does it say that the association was actually established (though it probably was). That whole issue seems rather unclear.
Footnote [5] cites Buck mentioning Mead as the president of the ACA. But the person who formulated the above sentence confused 1857 with 1859. Buck mentions Mead in connection with Morphy's return from Europe (1859). The silver salver was presented in 1857. So, even if Buck were right that Mead was the president of the ACA (and Buck's accuracy is very, very questionable) it doesn't mean he was president of the ACA in 1857.
--Batgirl 04:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  misconceptions