Talk:Igor Sikorsky

message: Igor Sikorsky was a Russian–American"Britannica Concise Encyclopedia". Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. 2006, p. 1751."Sergei Sikorsky: Reflecting on the 90th Anniversary of Sikorsky Aircraft" Quote: Some 90 years ago, on March 5, 1923, a Russian refugee named Igor Sikorsky organized a new company" and Ukrainian American. Being a Russian American and Ukrainian American are not mutually exclusive. He was of both a Russian American and Ukrainian American by national origin and/or national identity. Llakew (talk) 22:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a good solution, if we can cite refs that assert both. The ones you've cited show one or the other.  Also, Polish sources claim he's Polish,https://polishpoland.com/tag/igor-sikorsky/ so that's another one we have to deal with. Ethnically, he's probably all three, but as far as national identity, all the sources I've seen from Sikorsky himself or his family state "Russian-American", and that's what we've gone with. BilCat (talk) 20:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Nationality and Ethnicity are different.  Wikipedia's MOS says to generally not cover ethnicity in the Lead per MOS:ETHNICITY. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:44, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Igor Sikorsky was simultaneously a [[Russian American]] and [[Ukrainian Americans|Ukrainian American]] 

message: I would like to add to the discussion above by saying that calling him Russian is the same as calling a Ukrainian under German occupation a German. It doesn't make any sense. Garpurr (talk) 23:14, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: But I would like to say that this is a blatant lie, Ukraine was not under Russian occupation, but voluntarily became part of Russia in the 17th century. Secondly, Sikorsky has repeatedly said that he is Russian, not Ukrainian. 31.171.197.42 (talk) 10:57, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

text: I agree that you agreed with a blatant lie. 31.171.197.42 (talk) 10:58, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  He was Ukrainian 

message: :: please change russian-American to Ukrainian-American.
::He himself wrote that he was ethnically Ukrainian, and already in the United States, after the Second World War, he considered himself that way. Although before that he admitted that the Ukrainians are part of Russia, because then they captured it.
::The fact that Russia has always appropriated Ukrainian figures (Korolyov, Malevich) and the fact that today it continues to destroy the country gives every reason to give the appearance of Ukrainian origin of famous people. Валерия Гарвилюк (talk) 19:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. BilCat (talk) 19:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: reliable sources? the modern Russian-Ukrainian war is not a reliable sources for you? 45.12.26.0 (talk) 11:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not a reliable source for Sikorsky's nationality. How could it be!! BilCat (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

text: And who will decide which source is more reliable in this case?... Cesare Urbino (talk) 01:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

text: * Wikipedia has policies for this, starting with WP:RELIABLE, including the WP:REPUTABLE section. -Fnlayson (talk) 01:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

text: *@Cesare Urbino: The IP cited "the modern Russian-Ukrainian war" as a source. We don't need a policy to know that is not a source, much less not reliable! BilCat (talk) 03:29, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

text: *:Whats funny is stuff like this makes wikipedia unrelaible with bogus info. And refusual to change. Its legit obvious hes ukranian and russian is just wrong. 108.72.52.45 (talk) 11:52, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

text: isn't it stated in this same article that he's from Kyiv lol? he was literally Ukrainian, why would you appeal to Russian imperialism by defying it? 188.163.30.104 (talk) 22:07, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: please change russian-American to Ukrainian-American

message: The source for fleeing in early 1918 as well as the motive for fleeing is right there after the sentence:  . 
It states:  Niokog (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for date of fleeing and threat motive 

message: The woman who wrote the book used as the source for calling Sikorsky a Russian nationalist - Homo Imperii: A History of Physical Anthropology in Russia is Marina Mogilner, a brainwashed Russian nationalist.
In this resource, Sikorsky mentions how his family is purely, without a doubt, Ukrainian. 2600:1700:B4A0:4E00:65F0:3897:A942:9256 (talk) 20:07, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: See MOS:ETHNICITY concerning the Lead.  Sikorsky's nationality was Russian since Ukraine was a part of the Russian Empire then. -Fnlayson (talk) 20:58, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikorsky is Ukrainian, not Russian 

message: In 1933 Igor Sikorsky wrote that his “family is of purely Ukrainian origin.” 108.53.47.210 (talk) 19:11, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. See above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:16, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What consensus? One of editors is simply calling all sources mentioning his background as "unreliable" without providing any information why and refusing to provide any further explanations. Please explain how to reach consensus in such environment. Zdumiewający Połysk Farby Olejnej Rozcieńczonej Terpentyną (talk) 13:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 February 2023 

message: Ukrainian-American, not russian. Kyiv is the capital of Ukraine. 2601:14D:457F:27D0:39DB:F45:3664:89F3 (talk) 19:41, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see above requests and discussions Cannolis (talk) 19:44, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 February 2023 

message: Please, not russian-born, but Ukrainian. Kyiv was and is Ukraine 193.16.45.163 (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. BilCat (talk) 18:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2023 

message: When questioned regarding his roots, he would answer: "My family is of Russian origin. My grandfather and other ancestors from the time of Peter the Great were Russian Orthodox priests." http://www.sikorsky.com/Lists/eNewsletter/2013/Commlinks_0313.pdf
Ukrainians have a national trait to attribute to themselves all famous people born on the territory of modern Ukraine, they told the public media that Mila Kunnis is an ethnic Ukrainian (Jewish) and purposefully distorted the words of Dustin Hoffman when he said that his ancestors fled during the Jewish pogroms , and the Ukrainian media translated it as "they were persecuted because they are Ukrainians." When reading topics, Ukrainians refer to some "letters" that never existed, which Sikorsky allegedly wrote and spoke about his Ukrainian identity, not a single official source confirms this, all these conversations are conducted only by Ukrainians, all their references to "documents " lead to unknown Ukrainian sites. Ukrainians take credit for everyone, even designer Korolyov, whose ancestors were Russians, Greeks, Belarusians, Poles, his father was an ethnically Russian teacher of Russian language and literature, but Ukrainians furiously argue that he is "Ukrainian".
Definitely correct and truthful to write: Igor Sikorsky of Russian origin, citizen of the Russian Empire, later a US citizen Hopestyle (talk) 15:29, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Korolov's mother had undeniable Ukrainian roots. The fact you carefully avoided to present. Her Greek roots were very distant dating back to Greek colonist that arrived in Ukraine in early-mid 17th century and intermarried with Ukrainian Cossack family. As for websites (you do not address other mentioned media that mention's Ukrainian ethnicity of Igor) all you have to say is that they are "unknown Ukrainian sites" which does not constitute objective criticism and together with general feel of your post has obvious racist chauvinist undertones. There is no place for such attitude at Wikipedia. Please leave your prejudices to yourself before commenting. Slavic Phenomennon (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a lie, Korolev’s father is Russian, his mother is Belarusian. 31.171.197.42 (talk) 11:01, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Korolev definitely had Ukrainian roots... and Russian, and Greek, and Belarusian, and Polish (if I'm not mistaken). A wonderful mix. One time, he said he considered himself Ukrainian. Another, he said Russian. What's your point?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC2:67D1:2400:ED60:460F:9289:4339 (talk) 21:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikorsky ethnic Russian 

message: Igor Sikorskyis a Ukrainian engineer, obviously you should change the false information about this outstanding person 2A02:3033:41B:32C7:8D2A:EE6A:B455:DAE3 (talk) 09:43, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Obviously, you need to stop spreading disinformation, Sikorsky has repeatedly clarified that he is Russian, not Ukrainian. Kyiv was not a Ukrainian city at that time, but a Russian city; no more than 16% of Ukrainians lived at the time of Sikorsky’s birth. Sikorsky received a Russian education. 31.171.197.42 (talk) 11:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2023 

message: Igor Sikorsky is NOT RUSSIAN. Anyone born in Ukraine, is UKRAINIAN!!!!! Can you please remove all Russian references to anyone born in Ukraine? 76.169.30.139 (talk) 06:55, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. —Sirdog (talk) 08:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

text: I cannot tell if this is supposed to be a parody or not. Mellk (talk) 08:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Do you know the difference between ethnicity and nationality? He said he was Russian, so... even though I think he was actually a mix, ethnically. But in terms of nationality, there was no Ukraine then. He was born in the Russia Empire.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC2:67D1:2400:ED60:460F:9289:4339 (talk) 21:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 October 2023 

message: Could you please change Russian-American to Ukrainian-American? It is important to our people and our country's history to tell the world about the notable people of our country, of whom we are proud. 68.132.60.235 (talk) 07:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sikors'ky was Ukrainian! 

message: change : Kiev to kyiv
change : Russion-American to Ukrainian-American
right now it's misinformation 2601:248:680:BAE0:5221:2852:678:C1FE (talk) 19:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Try and read the discussions above and come up with some new arguments or evidence, instead of just spamming edit requests. Liu1126 (talk) 19:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2024 

message: Igor Sikorsky was Ukrainian, I worked for Sikorsky aircraft, and he referred to himself as Ukrainian in any and all correspondence. Ukraine, although under Russian occupation and rule, was very much a country at Igors birth in 1889. Please use actual internationally recognized borders when referring to nationality in posts such as this. 50.47.31.23 (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please see the previous sections. RudolfRed (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024