Talk:International of Anarchist Federations

message: NB. This page is only covering the Southern sections of IFA-IAF, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchist_International .I have added a note on this (Anna Quist (talk) 05:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that Anna. What do you mean by Southern exactly? Southern Europe? Southern Hemisphere? Skomorokh 06:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: I have added a small note on the IFA-IAF-Wiki-page about the existence of the Northern sections. It is based on reliable third party sources from the Southern IFA-IAF-federations, and should thus not be deleted. The note is also at my talk page. If anybody should propose changes, it should be discussed here, before any change. I can quote the most relevant texts confirming the affiliation of the Northern sections to IFA-IAF from these sources, if it is requested. To remove my note is history falsification. Wikipedia should not be involved in history falsification.
(Anna Quist (talk) 09:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While I can agree that Wikipedia should not be involved in history falsification, you should be aware of a couple of things. First, Wikipedia cares more about verification than truth, so, if you are more worried about the "truth", you may want to avoid Wikipedia. Someone may come along, and change or remove material you add, cite relevant Wikipedia policy, and make you angry. Murderbike (talk) 01:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, the joke has gone too far already. The AIF-IFA website has a link on its main page to a document where they dennounce all information on anarchy.no to be untrustworthy . The main page makes specific mention of wikipedia entries. In other words, it's easily verifiable that the official site of the federation has a prominent warning rejecting this organization. --Enric Naval (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on the IFA-IAF-Wiki-page

message: Here are the relevant quotes in the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF. Most large libraries on anarchism, say as the IISG in Amsterdam, and CIRA in Switzerland, have these journals. Thus it is easy verifiable, meeting Wikipedia's principle of verification:
The Northern section(s) of IFA was founded at the first Nordic anarchist congress in Oslo, 15-18 October 1982. The Bulletin C.R.I.F.A no 42 novembre-février 1982 declared :
(There were a Spanish (p. 4) and an English (p. 5) report in this issue of the Bulletin C.R.I.F.A, but the Spanish version seems to be the most correct of the two, compared to the Swedish and Norwegian reports printed in Folkebladet, and other material. Thus we will quote the Spanish version here. Where the English version is more precise, this is noted in [...] brackets):
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EL PRIMER CONGRESO ANARQUISTA NÓRDICO
El primer congreso anarquista nordico se ha celebrado del 15 al 17 de octubre del [19]82 en Oslo (Folkets Hus, Youngstorget). Ha estado organizado por la ANORG/IFA (Federación anarquista noruega afiliada a la IFA). Este congreso se ha celebrado según el deseo de Umberto Marzocchi, secretario de la [IFA/]CRIFA, siendo expressado en una carta el 12 de mayo del [19]82 a la ANORG. Estaban presentes los delegados de varios paises nórdicos así que los observadores de la SAC (Sveriges Arbetares Centralorganisation) ... y un representante de la Federación anarquista francesa [a delegate from the French Anarchist Federation (FAF/IFA), was also present].
El principal tema de este congreso ha sido la cooperación anarquista nórdica. El acuerdo se ha hecho sobre la aceptación de una cooperación muy ampllia. La cooperación ideológica [political] económica y cultural ha sido enfocada sobre los ountos siguientes: la acción de los anarquistas en los sindicatos, el movimiento colectivista, cooperativista, el movimiento ecologista, feminista, el apoyo a los jovenes... [politic solidarity work (for instance the Anarchist Black Cross)] y a los movimientos que luchan contra el alcoholismo y la droga. Ha sido abordado tambien todo el trabajo a efectuar concerniendo la documentación y el análisis... La meta a alcanzar es la adhesión de los anarquistas a una sección nórdica de la IFA a través de sus propios Federaciones nacionales. A este fin el congreso unánime decide la puesta en marcha de un secretariado nórdico de la IFA. Por el momento ese papel será tenido por el secretarioado administrativo [the expeditionary group] de la ANORG.... Los anarquistas que quieran adherir a la IFA podrán hacerio teniendo como intermediario el secretariado nórdico de la IFA. Estos anarquistas se encontrarán en la misma situación con respecto a la IFA que los miembros de la ANORG (decidiones, cotisaciones, etc.)
El secretariado nórdico publicará ocho bolitinos al año que serán adjuntos a Folkebladet ... o sea al boletin interior, o bién según el caso, un sepacio será reservado en sus publicaciones para las informaciones procedentes del secretariodo...
El secretariado nórdico a través del boletin deberá contribuir a organizar actividas comunes, entre otras, congresos, conferencieas, tribunas anarquistas, simposios, seminarios, encuentros estivales y actividades culturales... El secretariado deberá encargase de la coordinación de las actividades [direct actions of different kinds] nórdicas.
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El primer número del "Boletin Nórdico" editado por el congreso, ha sido publicado en suplement del número 4 de Folkebladet (año 1982). Su título es "IFA-Solidaritet" (órgano de las secciones nórdicas de la IFA).
(The reports were signed by the COMMISION DE REDACTION DU BULLETIN CRIFA. Editors note)
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The Northern sections of IFA-IAF's, and the Nordic IFA-IAF-secretariate's affiliation the IFA-IAF is also confirmed in: 
Congrès anarchiste nordique et camp d'été 83 , The second congress , Le Monde Libertaire, no 509 1983 p 9, French 
Folkebladet , The creation of IIFOR in Norway , Le Monde Libertaire, no 591 1985 p 9, French
 
Sacchetti ed. , The second Nordic anarchist congress , Bulletin CRIFA, no 46 1983
 
The relevant quotes, confirming the Northern sections affiliation to IFA-IAF are: 
1. From Le Monde Libertaire p 9 no 509: "Le second congrès anarchiste nordique s'est déroulé du 10 au 16 juillet 1983 à Oslo... Cette rencontre organisée conjointement par 'A.N.O.R.G., l'I.F.A. et le secrétariat de l'I.F.A. nordique... Après un résumé, la résolution suivante fut approuvée à l'unanimité: "Les sections nordiques de l'I.F.A. adoptent comme projets: * Les résolutions du 1er Congrès anarchiste nordique, qui, sont bâtis sur les principes de l'I.F.A., et les rèsolutions contenues dans le présent rapport du IIe Congrès nordique...". 
2. From Le Monde Libertaire no 591 1985 p 9: " L'I.F.O.R. (institut de recherche sur le mouvement anarchiste) a été créé comme la résultante d'une décision unanime de la N.I.F.A (secrétariat nordique de l'I.F.A.) et de la Fédération anarchiste universitaire le 15 août 1985 à Oslo. L'origine de ce projet s'inspire des principes de l'Internationale des fédérations anarchistes et du manifeste de l'A.N.O.R.G... Ce nouvel institut se situe dans la lignée du travail sur le "projet de recherches économique et sociale" mené par un groupe de l'A.N.O.R.G. (fédération anarchiste nordique)*... L'I.F.O.R. effectue également des recherches dans les secteurs de la documentation, de l'information et de l'éducation. L'institut publie un "Bulletin international de recherche sur l'organisation" et le "Séminaire d'économie politique" organise des cours d'étude à l'université et dans les grandes écoles, en collaboration étroite avec d'autres secteurs de l'A.N.O.R.G., tel le N.I.F.A., "Folkebladet" (journal de l'A.N.O.R.G.), les éditions de l'A.N.O.R.G..." *) The Northern Anarchist Confederation, NAC. 
3. From Bulletin CRIFA no 46 1983 pp 9-12: The second Nordic Anarchist Congress. The second nordic anarchist congres took place on July 10th-16th, 1983. The organizer was the ANORG/IFA, associated with the International of the Federations of Anarchists and the NIFA, the Nordic IFA-secretariat... After summing up the following was unanimously approved of: The nordic sections of the IFA take as their program of further efforts: a) the resolutions from the 1st nordic anarchist congress, which in their turn are build on the principles of the IFA and the programm and decision of ANORG/IFA: b) the reported resolutions from the 2nd nordic congress. The report was read aloud and approved of on Saturday july 16th 1983. 
The affiliation of the Northern sections/federations to IFA-IAF is also confirmed in a circular sent to the Northern sections: Circ. no 14, 18.12.1985, To all sections of IFA - About the IV congress - France, November 1986, from CRIFA/Sacchetti (in Italian). This was a formal, official, invitation to the IFA-IAF congress in Paris, sent to the affiliated sections of IFA-IAF, including the Northern sections, i.e. Anarkistenes organisasjon i Norden (ANORG) - The Northern Anarchist Confederation (NAC), with its four national federations, all affiliated to IFA-IAF.  More information about the Northern Anarchist Confederation, NAC, Anarkistenes organisasjon i Norden, ANORG, is published on http://www.anarchy.no/anorg.html .  From the most reliable source: The history of IFA-IAF etc http://www.anarchy.no/ifadok.html. There are more reliable sources... By the way the website of the Southern section of IFA-IAF is not the official website of IFA-IAF. It does not call itself official. The official website of IFA-IAF, with the original copyrighted IFA-logo on the links-page, is http://www.anarchy.no (Anna Quist (talk) 14:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes from the Southern IFA-IAF's own journals, confirming the Northern Sections of IFA-IAF

message: Some ochlarchist/unscientifical administrator has blocked my account. This is a severe blow to libertarian research on wikipedia! Unblock me this instant we will be forced to try you at the International Anarchist Tribunal and you will be issued a brown card and be removed from the anarchist movement. The information I am adding is based on reliable independent third party sources, easily verifiable, and 100% according to Wikipedia's principle about verification. It confirms that the Northern sections of IFA-IAF exists 100%. This is no joke. The so called "anorg-warning you are linking to is totally unreliable and 100% a hoax, and is 100% rejected and turned down by IIFOR at http://www.anarchy.no/anorgwarning.html . If my account is blocked, it is an attack on the truth and verification 
~ Anna Quist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.208.16.12 (talk) 23:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have been blocked 

message: I cannot seem to find any notable sources referencing the IAF. It appears that the only mentions of the IAF are self-published materials by members of the IAF. Can anyone help me find a notable reference of the IAF in a major English speaking news source? Thanks. --0nonanon0 (talk) 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: i added a third party ref tag. considering the number of primary external links, this article needs more references, or it should be trimmed back in its content and ext links. im writing this after a deletion review decision was "keep", which i agree with.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:01, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the two sources I've seen in other major media I agree with the keep, still the article has much more information in it and about it than is availabl in reliable news sources. I encourage you all to improve the article by demonstrating where the info is coming from (out side of inside pamphlets). :) Peace and happy editing. --0nonanon0 (talk) 18:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm trying to help compile this article, as a member of the British AFed, and consequently a member of IAF/IFA, I realise that most of the stuff on IAF will be from us, mainly due to the lack of coverage by mainstream, or other news sources, on our organisation, instead choosing to refer to all anarchists as marching under one banner. I'll look for some other outside sources though, and I'll ask some other members who may know where to get some.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Libleft (talk • contribs) 15:49, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to go to a reference library and look up some of the many books written about anarchism.  There is not much likely to be found in newspapers.  In fact the major political internationals receive almost no news coverage.  The Four Deuces (talk) 14:29, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. this subject would benefit from print references, especially smaller independent newspapers or more obscure political books whose content is not online. they would not be truly reliable, but more reliable than primary sources to establish how high a profile these groups actually ever achieve. again, while its nice to have links to anarchist websites to show some level of existence, this articles content must come primarily from third party sources. the problem i see is that its too easy to start adding content to an article once its established that its notable. the CONTENT must be notable. someone outside the subject must have written about the material presented here. unfortunately, there doesnt appear to be a lot of attention given to this org outside the org itself. i would still see the article trimmed back to basic facts, with the refs turned into external links , and limit the number, or its a link farm, though obviously not a commercial, capitalist link farm :).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable sources? 

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message: Echoing what was written a decade ago, I check back on this article every few months and find no reliable, secondary source with which to write an encyclopedia article. Either they're in another language or otherwise inaccessible to me. Even the Time article, which is a bit of a joke, only refers to the "Third International Congress of Anarchist Federations", not an "International". In any event, the article appears overblown without secondary sourcing to back it up. I'm going to redirect it to Contemporary anarchism but if you find "significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources" (?) please do  me to discuss. czar 20:15, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The same sourcing issues are outstanding several years later. If the primary and associated sources were removed from the article, there would be no significant secondary sourcing on which to base the article. czar 15:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources