Talk:Killing Joke

message: youve got to be kidding me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.232.201 (talk • contribs) October 14, 2005 at 08:25:15
Hey, say what you will but Slipknot was definitely influenced by them and it occasionally shows. I saw Slipknot live a while back and they even played the entire 1980 self-titled on the PA systems (side 1 before the show, side 2 after). I know this is an old-ass comment but still. It's funny what a violent knee-jerk response mentioning Slipknot anywhere gets from some people  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.123.187.113 (talk) 13:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because their fans are British based.  They have an "elitist" attitude when it comes to "punk" music.  This attitude goes against the punk ideology anyway, it's ridiculous. 2600:1700:93B0:9F0:2582:E79D:EB6B:8F1A (talk) 02:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: slipknot???

message: The influences section is just a list of covers of Killing Joke songs. The section should probably be renamed "Notable covers" unless there's new content on KJ's influence on later artists. | Klaw ¡digame! 15:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, too many are listed, including many irrelevant ones, and even the ones about famous bands like Nirvana seem to ramble on a bit.Dan Carkner 13:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences section

message: Looks a bit dead round here, but anyway, tis worth a try -
I'm looking for material on Brilliant (band), a band featuring Youth (Glover). Have any of you got any books on Killing Joke or Youth which mention this band? Please come to Talk:Brilliant (band) if you have anything. --kingboyk 16:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Brilliant (band)]] 

message: i was just wondering, why does Malicious Damage redirect here? there's only one tiny mention of them on this page, and it concludes by saying "Malicious Damage switched to EG Records in 1980.". this may have been true but if i'm not mistaken, malicious damage records are very much still an existing label with that exact name, and maybe seeing as they've now signed The Orb as well as killing joke, they might merit a wikipedia article? in any case, something needs to be done about it redirecting here surely. Z.S.K. 02:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Malicious Damage

message: This page is rife with original research. Thomas1617 01:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the template  (date=September 2007). Please, use the in-line template . —PJoe F. (talk • contribs) 13:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: In about 3 or 4 months, i will make a table for the Studio Albums and now that i am making articles of Killing Joke's Singles and EPs and complete the Compilation list and articles and Live albums etc., Ill remove the other 3 lists on this MAIN article, because they are uncessary, since they will be in the template, and have their own seperate articles for each item. If anybody has a problem with this, please say so, or forever hold your peace, because the lack of information behind this band is ridiculous and it takes somebody like me who has almost no time to make these articles. --J miester25 (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Lists, Singles, Compilations and Live albums Lists

message: Just because the guitar riff to come as you are has vague similarities does not mean nirvana cites killing joke as an influence. Kurt Cobain hates metal. 69.136.97.61 (talk) 00:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Kurt Cobain hates anything, these days.  However, I believe the assertion of Killing Joke's influence comes from sources such as this. --Dominic Hardstaff (talk) 07:57, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Actually Dave Grohl, who the was the drummer for Nirvana, was influenced by Killing Joke in a music sense. he was in Nirvana (at the time) and now with Foo Fighters, so Killing Joke has influenced both of those bands. --J miester25 (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nirvana!?

message: Saying KJ influenced Metallica because the speedmetal band covered "The Wait" is stretching things quite a bit.  If I recall the story, Metallica were screwing around in the studio, recording covers for what became Garage Days Re-revisited, came up with a riff, realized it was Killing Joke, and then after some discussion decided to record it *anyway*.  The gist I got was that while Hetfield Hammett Ulrich and Newsted didn't hate KJ, they understood that there was very little in common there.  Not sure what this new covers album is, but I'd be surprised if it included anything from Metallica but the same version of "The Wait."
Rastro (talk) 01:44, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Metallica?

message: Now I'm new to this band so I'm not proposing a genere change, what I wanted to say was that the sheer number of genres listed in the infobox looks messy. Can a more general genre such as "Rock, (see below)" or something like tht be put in the infobox with further explination of genre to be put into a styles section or something along those lines?? 220.245.131.186 (talk) 01:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox genres 

message: Seriously??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theburning25 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy Metal? 

message: In the middle (3rd paragraph) of the section History/1992-1996 it states, "Killing Joke also sued Nirvana during this phase, alleging that the riff for the latter's song "Come as You Are" was copied from the riff for their song "Eighties".[10][11] The lawsuit was dropped after the sudden death of Nirvana frontman Kurt Cobain.[23].
Under the section "Influence," it states:
•	The main riff of Nirvana's song "Come as You Are" bears a striking resemblance to the riff of Killing Joke's single, "Eighties." The band did not file a copyright infringement lawsuit, which, according to Rolling Stone, was "due to personal and financial reasons." 
The references are detailed enough to be directly contradictory: 
Ref. # 10 --- http://web.archive.org/web/20071214052447/http://www.anirrationaldomain.net/articles/current/kerrang120403.html ("Somewhat ironically, though, they hadn't met before January, but Coleman and Grohl could have met one another a decade ago ... in court.  That was when Killing Joke sued Nirvana, alleging the Seattle trio had stolen the riff from their song 'Eighties' for 'Come As You Are'. The case was eventually dismissed, and both now agree it's all water under the bridge.")
Ref. # 11 --- http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/nirvana-pay-back-killing-joke-20030410 ("'Come as You Are' (1991) is fueled by a slowed-down version of the guitar riff in 'Eighties' (1985). At the time, Killing Joke opted not to file a copyright infringement lawsuit for personal and financial reasons.")
Ref. #23 --- I have spent far too long searching for reference #23, which I cannot locate: "Interview with Killing Joke's Geordie". BBC Manchester. 2003. http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/music/2003/07/24/killing_interview.shtml. Retrieved 7 January 2008.  
The link redirects to http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/england/manchester/ ... and try as I might -- searching within the BBC website, Google, etc. -- I cannot locate the interview.
This article claims a lawsuit was filed, with little corroborating detail:  http://nirvanaclub.com/index.php?section=info/articles&file=08.15.92.html
This book blurb claims Killing Joke lost the lawsuit:  http://books.google.com/books?id=KxvaDqceOVYC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=nirvana+%22killing+joke%22+%22melody+maker%22&source=bl&ots=kcUpZVs4jp&sig=IZtyVDM1xklneCxDcmUavOUjv7A&hl=en&ei=iHGgTfTKO6Xh0QGhu-CLBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=nirvana%20%22killing%20joke%22%20%22melody%20maker%22&f=false
These sites acknowledge the conflicting reports:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_as_You_Are_(Nirvana_song) ("Although members of Killing Joke claimed the main guitar riff of 'Come As You Are' plagiarized the riff of 'Eighties', the band reportedly did not file a copyright infringement lawsuit, which Rolling Stone magazine attributes to 'personal and financial reasons'.[6] However, conflicting reports state that Killing Joke did file a lawsuit but that it was either thrown out of court,[13] or that it was dropped following Cobain's death.[14]")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighties_(song) ("If there was a lawsuit issued that Kerrang! claimed, it was either thrown out of court,[7] or it was dropped to take the burden off the remaining members of Nirvana and their management. However, the court that supposedly took the case was not named and many doubted that Killing Joke ever issued a lawsuit against Nirvana.[8]")
http://www.lostnirvana.info/nirvanaarticles/forum101/000162.html
At the very least, the Wiki article for Killing Joke should acknowledge the conflicting reports as do the articles for the individual songs at issue.
Mystery UNSOLVED!!!
:Some say the riff in fact originated from The Damned's "Life goes on". 89.243.32.167 (talk) 09:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did they sue Nirvana or not? 

message: I think this genre needs to be added Darkwave 149.254.235.145 (talk) 15:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reference then, Be BOLD. References would make the argument. Lighthead þ 06:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darkwave 

message: The 2008–present section needs updating; Reza remains in the band (definitely in live lineup as of 2012-present, not sure about 2008-2011, and not sure about studio recording). Both Reza and Youth also DJ at select venues between gigs on the current KJ tour. E.g. they're both slated to spin at Strangelove, a goth/industrial club night at the Cat Club venue in San Francisco on May 3, after their gig that night at The Fillmore Auditorium.. 24.23.163.55 (talk) 11:59, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009-present updates 

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message: :Per wp:lead, there isn't any need to include any source at the top of the article when the facts are supported by reliable sources in one of the sections, in the body of the article. 
:Concerning their "legacy", it is well documented here with sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Joke#Legacy  
: by citing wp:inline citation in this edit , do you consider that the same sources of the legacy section should also be added in the lead ?  Woovee (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there were so many sources needed to justify that claim, it would be redundant to post them again in the lead. I have undone my own edit. Kire1975 (talk) 21:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 2020 

message: Under the "Legacy" section it is claimed that "In 2002, James Murphy of dance-punk band LCD Soundsystem sampled the music of "Change" on his debut single, "Losing My Edge"." 
I don't hear any samples. The drum beat sounds like it might have been programmed to be similar, but the high-hats are completely different. What is the source for this claim?
:Added. - Woovee (talk) 17:51, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  LCD Soundsystem - Losing my edge?