Talk:Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel

message: The referred BBC page does not contain this quote. Is reasonable to think that even Ahmadinejad would find it absurd first to burn people and then take them to concentration camps?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.246.151.181 (talk) 10:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 call to "move" Israel

message: "the Zionist Regime of Israel faces a deadend and will under God's grace be wiped off the map." and "the Zionist Regime that is a usurper and illegitimate regime and a cancerous tumor should be wiped off the map."http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=10114
  	
In response to the question "whether Ahmadinejad believed in need for elimination of Israel from the world map" he answers "We say such moves need to be ended; now if the only way to end them is to wipe Israel, well let it be wiped." http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=12377
These quotes are not from the "World Without Zionism" speech, (though they are relevant to it) instead they're from 2008. Where is the right place to put them in the article? Drsmoo (talk) 23:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A new section is warranted if (1) you can show the quote is notable in some way (is the translation accurate, is it contested, or has it caused controversy?) and (2) if the quote has been picked up and reproduced be reliable sources. Dynablaster (talk) 00:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the official website of the President of Iran and run by the Iranian Government. It is as notable regarding Ahmadinejad as a source is possible to be. Drsmoo (talk) 01:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: State-controlled Iranian websites, alone, are not a reliable sources for anything. We would do well to recall that an English translation on IRIB News is the source of the original controversy. I have no idea if this more recent quote is accurate or inaccurate, but lacking reliable sources it is beside the point. Has the New York Times deemed this statement to be of any significance? BBC Online? CNN? Please produce sources that show the quote is notable (preferably ones that affirm its accuracy). I am simply following guidelines. Dynablaster (talk) 12:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: [I've thrown in a reflist-line above, so people can quickly check out those indicated pages on website president.ir/en/.] Drsmoo’s question 16 December is put rather strange, but Dynablaster’s reaction is put strange too. The new information here is that a rather official-looking website, president.ir/en/, is publishing ‘speeches’ from Ahmadinejad in which he supposedly uses phrases like “Israel … wiped off the map”. This could perhaps become ‘notable’ information for Wikipedia as soon as anyone authoritative would take this Iranian website serious, no sooner. --Corriebertus (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the right place to put the official translations from Ahmadinejad's page that say Israel should be wiped off the map? 

message: :A new section is warranted if (1) you can show the quote is notable in some way (is the translation accurate, is it contested, or has it caused controversy?) and (2) if the quote has been picked up and reproduced be reliable sources. Dynablaster (talk) 00:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the official website of the President of Iran and run by the Iranian Government. It is as notable regarding Ahmadinejad as a source is possible to be. Drsmoo (talk) 01:55, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: State-controlled Iranian websites, alone, are not a reliable sources for anything. We would do well to recall that an English translation on IRIB News is the source of the original controversy. I have no idea if this more recent quote is accurate or inaccurate, but lacking reliable sources it is beside the point. Has the New York Times deemed this statement to be of any significance? BBC Online? CNN? Please produce sources that show the quote is notable (preferably ones that affirm its accuracy). I am simply following guidelines. Dynablaster (talk) 12:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: [I've thrown in a reflist-line above, so people can quickly check out those indicated pages on website president.ir/en/.] Drsmoo’s question 16 December is put rather strange, but Dynablaster’s reaction is put strange too. The new information here is that a rather official-looking website, president.ir/en/, is publishing ‘speeches’ from Ahmadinejad in which he supposedly uses phrases like “Israel … wiped off the map”. This could perhaps become ‘notable’ information for Wikipedia as soon as anyone authoritative would take this Iranian website serious, no sooner. --Corriebertus (talk) 14:26, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I’m fully prepared to accept a notification in Wikipedia (see section Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel#Accusations of anti-semitism) saying that the U.S. Senate passed a resolution, December 2005, condemning “anti-semitic statements” from Ahmadinejad, provided such a notification would be truly referenced. However, the given web link Cleveland.com is dead, the links New York Sun and Wall Street Joutnal don’t directly cite from such a resolution. This troubles me; if noone gives a serious reference, I’m afraid we have to delete this paragraph.--Corriebertus (talk) 15:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed; I found that resolution. Reference is now in the article.--Corriebertus (talk) 12:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. Senate resolution Dec. 2005 concerning "anti-semitic statements" of Ahmadinejad? 

message: On 8 December 2005, in Mecca[59] during a two-day meeting of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, the Iranian Arab-language satellite television channel Al-Alam invited[59][60][61] Mr Ahmadinejad for an interview. We do not know the question or questions posed to Ahmadinejad by the Al-Alam host. Of Ahmadinejad’s remarks in the interview four reports exist which differ remarkably.
Underneath we give remarks ascribed to Ahmadinejad by at least two reports in bold script, and extensions of these given in only one report in brackets. Of every word, batch of words, or whole sentence, the tag above the first word indicates the press report(s) they are taken from.
*“(Is[59] it not true that) European[59][62] countries insist that (they[59] committed a Jewish genocide? They say that) Hitler[59][62] killed[62]/burned[59] millions[59][62] of (innocent[62]) Jews[59][62] in furnaces.”
*”They[59][62] believe in this so much and are so determined that any researcher who denies it with historical evidence is dealt with in a most harsh way and sent to prison.”
*”(Because[59] the Jews have been oppressed during the Second World War the Europeans have to support the occupying regime of Qods.) We[59][62] do not accept this[.[59]] (claim[62], but if we would suppose it to be true, we ask the Europeans: is the death of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support of the occupiers of Jerusalem?)”
*“Now[59][60] that you, Germany and Austria, believe the Jews were oppressed, why should the Palestinian Muslims have to pay (the[59] price) (a[60] price for it)?” “(Why[59] did you come to give a piece of Islamic land and the territory of the Palestinian people to the Jews?)”
*“(If[60]) you[59][60], Germany and Austria, oppressed the Jews (so[59])[,[60]] give[59][60] a part of Europe to the Zionist regime [.[59]] (and[60]) We[59][60] would[59]/shall[60] support[59][60] it.” “(So[59],) Germany[59][60][61] and Austria [,[59]] (come[59] and)(must[60] )(can[61] ) give[59][60][61] to[59][61] the Zionist regime (one[59], two or any number of your) (a[60] few of their) (two[61] or three) provinces[59][60][61] so[59][61] the Zionist regime can create a country there and[59][60][61] the problem will be solved (at[59] its root)(completely[60]).”
Both the links 59 and 60 are dead links, propose to delete this or find a better source. Cr!mson K!ng (talk) 22:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al-Alam interview 8 December 2005 

message: "One may wonder: where did this false interpretation originate? Who is responsible for the translation that has sparked such worldwide controversy? The answer is surprising. The inflammatory 'wiped off the map' quote was first disseminated not by Iran's enemies, but by Iran itself. The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm, used this phrasing in the English version of some of their news releases covering the World Without Zionism conference. International media including the BBC, Al Jazeera, Time magazine and countless others picked up the IRNA quote and made headlines out of it without verifying its accuracy, and rarely referring to the source. Iran's Foreign Minister soon attempted to clarify the statement, but the quote had a life of its own. Though the IRNA wording was inaccurate and misleading, the media assumed it was true, and besides, it made great copy."
The language of this whole paragraph is an opinion and represents biasness. For eg, "One may wonder" and "The Islamic Republic News Agency, Iran's official propaganda arm" this is an extremely biased POV. This whole para needs to be reworked onto. Cr!mson K!ng (talk) 13:52, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a direct quote; I think it should have stayed that way with proper attribution.  I actually think your change made the section more POV. It sounds like Wikipedia's opinion rather than Arash Norouzi's. csloat (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

text: "The language of this whole paragraph is an opinion and represents biasness." We are allowed to describe various opinions providing it is clearly attributed and designated as such. On this basis I am reverting to the previous wording. Wikispan (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

text: The passage is a bit long therefore I have trimmed it a fraction. Compromise? Wikispan (talk) 18:50, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  # 1.1 "Wiped off the map" or "Vanish from the pages of time" translation 

message: Published by Press TV, owned by the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting IRIB:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=120579§ionid=351020101
Speaking in the southern Iranian Province of Hormozagan on Thursday, Ahmadinejad said that Israel was a Western prodigy that had now "reached the end of its road."
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(snip)
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"But whether they want it or not, with god's grace, this regime will be annihilated and Palestinians and other regional nations will be rid of its bad omen," he added. 
(snip)
The article on "Ahmadinejad and Israel' is a prime example of a really bad Wikipedia article. Ahmadinejad has said similar things - 'annihilated', 'wiped off the map' etc etc numerous times, all reported by Iranian government news agencies. And still, Wikipedian authors keep on referring to 'bad translation' etc. Very sad example of desinformation in action.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Utalempe (talk • contribs) 16:41, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please STOP messing regime with country or nation.
Omg, when are you supposed to stop this antisemite debate. Have you ever read the interviews and so on where Ahmadinejad clearly take a clear stance on this. He criticise the regime/goverment not the state!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.62.192 (talk) 14:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

text: He says 'Israel' has 'reached the end of its road'.  Israel is a state, isn't it?--Lopakhin (talk) 17:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  he means .... He criticises the regime/government not the ordinary population! Vexorg (talk) 15:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's amazing to see the endless stream of apologists who will tell you with a straight face that Ahmadinejad doesn't "mean" what he says. Or that Iran is mistranslating itself through it's official propoganda organs. Drsmoo (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that Ahmadinejad has made so many contradictory statements they can't possibly all be true. (1) 'Wipe Israel off the map' by means of military science or (2) 'the Zionist regime will collapse as did the Soviet Union' without intervention. Moreover, we have reliable sources that say the quote is mistranslated from the original but it doesn't matter that much anyway because Iranian leaders are basically jerks who have been making similar remarks for decades to divert attention away from their own misdeeds. Whatever interpretation you prefer is irrelevant; our job is simply to describe the controversy in a complete manner as possible, incorporating all notable points of view.  — ThePowerofX 18:22, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli '''Regime''' "will be annihilated" - speech 11 Mar 2010 

message: I can see there will be trouble with editors whose native language is not english so I'll bring this up here to avoid an edit war. Bronner accepts that Ahmadinejad said wiped of the pages of time or history not wiped of the map. He was argueing that Ahmadinejad said wiped off instead of vanish. Steele criticised Wikipedia (as it was on June 14, 2006) for "claiming falsly" that Bronner said wiped of the map but this error appears to have not been corrected as the article was still claiming this. When Bronner goes on to say So did Iran's president call for Israel to be 'wiped off the map'? It certainly seems so Bronner is not claiming that was what was said, he is actually claiming that the phrase is misinterpreted because Ahmadinejad appears to mean that. Bronner only argues that vanish is wrong. Wayne (talk) 05:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That is your interpretation of Bronner, Wayne, and we do not allow original research on wikipedia. Gilabrand did us all a favor by bringing the entire quote, thanks, Gilabrand. -- Avi (talk) 12:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's defintely not OR or interpretation. Steel says that the NYT (Bronner's article) does not dispute that Ahmadinejad did not say map and he critisized WP for claiming Bronner did say that. Read Bronner's article, after stating that Ahmadinejad's own translators said it he gives reasons why wipe out is more likely than vanish, NOWHERE does he include map when discussing these problems. In the next paragraph Bronner gives reasons why it isn't map. The only time he mentions it is at the end when he says people think that is what Ahmadinejad means as a reason for their acceptance of the incorrect translation but he does not say he does himself. The nuance of that sentence can easily confuse people. The current version is much better.Wayne (talk) 13:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bronner's quote. 

message: The article says "...and was a quote of Ayatollah Khomeini". Source 7 doesnt actually say such a thing. Source [7] rather quotes Ahmadinejad as claiming that Khomeini made such a statement. The actual quote made by Khomeini literally uses the phrase "destruction of Israel", as evidenced by the mural photo, which User:wikispan is trying to remove. Please do not remove that photo. It is a very important image. I will put back the photo if no good reason is given to suppress it.--Nightryder84 (talk) 01:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I cant see the relevance of the image. It is not Ahmadinejad and the mural does not depict the text of the Khomeini speech so you cant mention in the caption that the translation says "destruction of Israel" as that would be POV. The image is not evidence of anything. Wayne (talk) 05:25, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The large yellow text on the mural clearly states  اسرائیل باید از بین برود - امام خمینی  which unambiguously translates to "Imam Khomeini: Israel must be destroyed". I think that's quite relevant.--Nightryder84 (talk) 08:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Youre giving erroneous information to the reader. The Source 7 sentence is incorrect. Either dont mention Khomeini there in the article, or if you do, the photo then becomes DIRECTLY relevant. Khomeini didnt talk of wiping off maps. He talked of destruction. And the mural is displaying the original quote.Nightryder84 (talk) 08:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't seem to understand. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad briefly namedropped Ayatollah Khomeini during a speech, either quoting him directly or paraphrasing a sermon he once gave. Exactly which speech is uncertain. It is not for us to decide for the reader precisely what remark Ahmadinejad had in mind. The focus of this article is what Ahmadinejad has said and his relationship with Israel. You can't simply insert your preferred image of Khomeini with what purports to be a direct quote from an unspecified address. That's POV pushing. There are plenty of interpretations of Ahmadinejad's own remarks that say he seeks to obliterate Israel. These positions and reactions are covered in the article, so it's not fair to accuse editors of suppressing information. If you think a notable viewpoint is missing, you are more than welcome to add it. Wikispan (talk) 13:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive seen you wikistalking me everywhere on Wikipedia erasing this image from all articles. That alone says who is POV pushing. It's not for you to decide if an image's address is verifiable or not. The quote is verifiable btw.--Nightryder84 (talk) 20:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The image needs to be relevant to the article it is placed in. That is not this one and it's likely the ONLY article it is relevant for is Ayatollah Khomeini so feel free to add it there.Wayne (talk) 06:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a picture of 2 anti-Israeli suicide bombers backed by Iran's supreme leader, with a flag of Hizbollah. How is that more relevant to Khomeini? Do u even see Khomeini's picture there? Please explain.Nightryder84 (talk) 17:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The yellow text (Israel must be destroyed) purports to be a direct quote (or paraphrase) from Ayatollah Khomeini, true or false? Upon further reflection, the best place for this mural might be an article that documents Iran's support for Hizbollah. Iran and state terrorism perhaps? Simply adding the image to several articles is not the right way to proceed. Wikispan (talk) 18:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I accept your suggestion to put it in Iran and state terrorism article. However, on a general note, I wish to add that I put the image into 2-3 articles where I think it is best relevant. That's not exactly spamming as you accuse me of. So please, instead of putting roadblocks in front of me, help me out here, and improve the articles. We need more images like these.Nightryder84 (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of image by Wikispan

message: We have had this discussion before. Primary sources should be used moderately, particularly when dealing with official Iranian propaganda outlets. It is recommended that we include a reference to Ahmadinejad's PBS interview, if indeed that is what the man is quoted as saying. The problem, as always, is that the official translation differs to what PBS actually quote him as saying. One possible solution is to include both translations. Wikispan (talk) 08:59, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overuse of primary sources 

message: Is anyone with the relevant translation skills still claiming that "Wipe Israel off the map" is accurate? If not, perhaps that unanimity should be reflected in the article. It seems crazy to me that we still have politicians around the world quoting Iran's intention to "wipe Israel off the map" as if it were the unchallenged truth, when no subsequent translation of the speech that I've seen contains the words "map", "Israel" or "wipe". Can an error by the original Iranian translators really be allowed to become the accepted version? --Theresonator (talk) 13:10, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wiped off the map" is the translation presented by the Iranian government in multiple instances. Ahmadinejad's personal website also says wiped off the map, with the article published in 2008. http://web.archive.org/web/20110716100837/http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=10114  Drsmoo (talk) 14:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  He means the Zionist Regime should be wiped off the map, not the people of Israel Vexorg (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  You would need a Reliable Source on What He Means.--Galassi (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Farsi-English dictionary for example. Vexorg (talk) 06:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation controversy 

message: Renamed world without zionism speech section to wipe off the map controversy and moved 2008 link to Ahmadinejad's official website to the section, the section was entirely about the "wiped off the map" statement, and so this heading is more accurate. Also moved the relevant 2008 statement on Ahmadinejad's page which includes "wiped off the map" Drsmoo (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renamed world without zionism speech section to wipe off the map controversy and moved 2008 link to Ahmadinejad's official website to the section 

message: I found this brief section rather odd in that six individuals, not previously mentioned on the page, all with their own Wikipedia pages, were only identified by unlinked last names. I supplied the given names and links. Activist (talk) 21:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  8 UN Speech - Reaction 

message: Ahmadinejad didn't say anything new. What he said was a statement made by Khomeini three decades ago ("بايد از صفحه روزگار محو شود"), he just quoted him. --Z 16:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another thing 

message: This article is becoming a quote farm and I have tagged it as such. Some of the quotes recently added are not particularly controversial and for some of them I'm pushing to find western media that have even reported the quote so they fail notability. Particularly newsworthy quotes can and do have their own sections. Views on particular topics also have their own sections and should include one or two quotes as examples. There is no need to make a new section for a quote from every speech Ahmadinejad makes when the subject is already covered unless the quote is a better example and can replace the ones already in use. Wayne (talk) 08:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless full quotes can be reliably sourced, I suggest weeding out the extensive cherry pickings, half quotes, non quotes and words that have been added in parenthesis by journalists/editors.  ... talknic 03:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing wrong with using lots of quotes, as long as they are bound together by some theme - the general topic for which the article is named. Moving these quotes to Wikiquote would destroy the intended theme of the article, which is to bind together these quotes in order to provide a general context for current international disputes. Regards,-Stevertigo (t | c) 23:35, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: So you are suggesting that every time Ahmadinejad says something nice about Israel, "in order to provide a general context for current international disputes" they should all be added as well because they "are bound together by the general topic for which the article is named." You are missing the point entirely, there is nothing wrong with using quotes, as long as they are 'notable. Many of the quotes being added are not particularly notable and some are not even reported by most western media which has to tell you something. Wayne (talk) 02:28, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote Farm 

message: (The title of this section is also the title of section in the main article, minus "/Jews") 
There is some disagreement on whether his speech is referring to all Jews or only Zionists. In the speech, he is referring to people that moved to Israel. If you read the actual source that the quote cites, there is no reference to Jews, only Zionism. He only condemns people that support the "Zionist regime" and reinforce the taking of Palestinian land. It does not make sense to claim he is talking about all Jewish people. There are Jews living freely in Iran and other countries, and he makes no statements that are negative about those Jews (you can even see him happily greeting and shaking hands with Rabbis on Youtube). The quotation sounds like he is referring to Jewish people, but this is due to taking it out of context, poor translation, and fears of antisemitism (which creates a bias). If any of the people he referred to were not Jewish, he would still condemn them. I think there is a serious problem with people confusing Anti-Zionism with antisemitism.
Miona152 (talk) 06:57, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of Zionists/Jews as "Criminals" and "so-called humans" 

message: User Galassi reverted my edits to a previous version on the basis of WP:OR violations. I would like to make it clear that the original research present in the article was there before I made my edits. My edits were primarily with fixing format, fixing repeating, conflicting, and false information in relation to citations, and removing broken citations. Please, if you want to remove the original research, do so, but do not do it by reverting back to a previous edit, because you will destroy many good edits. I will take a look at the original research, and do something about it eventually, if you don't want to do it yourself. I have reverted back to my previous edit. Miona152 (talk) 16:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Original Research in Controversies/Wiped off the map/Translation sections 

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message: This page is flagged for having too extensive quotations and examples.  I compressed some of these, but the edit was reverted by .  Please justify this revert! Clean Copytalk 16:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Being concise doesn't mean removing important information, including statements from Merkel, the UN and other political figures. Your edit doesn't help.--יניב הורון (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the article is explicitly tagged for having too extensive quotations, removing quotations seems exactly what is called for. In any case, can you take effective action to respond to the tags?  Clean Copytalk 15:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
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message: , , . I reverted this to the stable version, due to this being sourced to top-notch sources such as Reuters, Washington Post, and ABC. This is also a notable element in the body of the article. Questioning the RSness of WaPo? Take it to RSN. Furthermore I shall state that denying these well known and highly public calls to "eliminate" Israel is distasteful to say the least.Icewhiz (talk) 05:18, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I will note that this op-ed cited in one of the revert summaries, concurs that the proper translation of the 2006 stmt is that Israel should be  as opposed to  (as Ahmadinejad apparently misquoted Khomeini) - in fact the op-ed in the Guardian agrees that the proper translation of Ahmadinejad's stmts in 2006 is "eliminated" - so this does not make the WaPo report on 2006 "fake news". Of course the Reuters and ABC reports from 2012 refer to a different "eliminated" stmt all together - and there are no lack of additional similar such stmts (the ones in 2006 and 2012 were extremely widely covered due to them being in a UN general session speech).Icewhiz (talk) 05:26, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi , after a second thought i fully agree with you. My revert was not an endorsement of any side's opinion, i was trying to put an end to the ongoing edit war and called both users to use the talk page. I took the time to read the sources carefully and it seems quite clear that Ahmadinejad said that. This shows his profound misunderstanding of the history of the Persian and Jewish peoples, who have been great friends throughout their common history : . Have a nice day my friend.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 12:57, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks ,  for taking the time to look into this! the 2006 guardian op-ed finishes btw with "The fact that he compared his desired option - the elimination of "the regime occupying Jerusalem" with the fall of the Shah's regime in Iran makes it crystal clear that he is talking about regime change, not the end of Israel". i read up a little more as well. ahmadinejad seems to have used strong populist language. which i find always challenging to deal with. --ThurnerRupert (talk) 04:39, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   No problem, always happy if i can help out, even if honestly, my contribution to this article is quite modest. Have a nice day dude.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 11:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
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