Talk:Battle of Queenston Heights

message: The main reason for failing this nomination is its lack of line citations.  I also suggest starting stub articles to eliminate the redlinks and some copyediting.  The introduction could be about a paragraph longer.  Please renominate when ready: this is close to good article quality. Durova 18:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Do we know for certain the General Brock was shot by a US marksman/rifleman? Is it possible that he just was shot during a volley? I imagine that if he was shot by a marksman/rifleman his name is lost to time. I have not read any name in any book yet. Please share if you have.
:In Pierre Berton's book The Invasion of Canada 1812-1813 on page 240 he says "Brock's nemesis steps out from behind a clump of bushes and when the General is thirty paces from him draws a bead with his long border rifle and buries a bullet in his chest, the hole equidistant from the two rows of gilt buttons on the crimson tunic." Not that this is necessarily what actually happened, but it is the "accepted" story. Not sure what the original source is though. And whether he was a marksman, who knows unless we know who the shooter was (Berton does not say). We do know he had a rifle and that his shot hit its mark. BC 23:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marksman? 

message: Brown's Point or Queenston? And why? 
Personally, I think that (with all due respect) the post-chest-shot scenario is as dead as the General given the nature of the injury. Given the marker located on the Niagara Parkway here (N43.1937 W79.0539) that's far-from-recent (I'm assuming around 1910 or so), I'm inclined to side with Malcomson in having that phrase issued there and not Queenston.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Natty10000 (talk • contribs) 21:47, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Push on, York Volunteers" 

message: I think personal interpretation is creating a bit of misunderstanding here. Cruikshank has been cited as support for an assertion that Brock led two charges in attempting to retake the Redan Battery. His words verbatim from original source are:
"The rain had ceased and strong, slanting gleams of sunshine broke through the parting clouds. The ground was thickly strewn with fallen leaves, slippery with wet and yielding treacherously, and as the men stumbled and fell here and there the line was quickly broken. Wool sent a reinforcement to support his advance party, and their fire soon began to tell. "This is the first time I have ever seen the 49th turn their backs!" Brock exclaimed angrily as he noticed unwounded men dropping to the rear, and at the rebuke the ranks promptly closed up. McDonnell brought up in support the companies of Cameron and Heward, which had just arrived from Brown's Point much exhausted, having run nearly all the way. The force then engaged in the direct assault of the heights, including the last named companies, numbering about 190 men. The militia flank companies were uniformed in scarlet and advanced with such steadiness that Wool was led to believe that he was being attacked by four companies of the 49th. His own command had been increased to about five hundred rank and file, two-thirds of who were regular soldiers, yet notwithstanding their advantage in numbers and position, being at the same time pressed warmly on the flank by Williams's detachment, they began to shrink from the contest.
Seeing that the supports were lagging at the foot of the hill, Brock shouted to Macdonell to "push on the York volunteers," and led his own party to the right with the evident intention of joining Williams. A bullet struck the sword-arm inflicting a slight wound, to which he paid no attention but continued to wave his sword and encourage his men. His tall, portly figure and energetic gestures, as well as his conspicuous uniform and position several yards in front of the line, naturally made him a special target for the bullets of the enemy, although he does not seem to be personally recognized by them. At last a rifleman stepped out of a thicket less than fifty yards away and took deliberate aim at him. More than one man of the 49th observed this and fired hastily, but without effect. The fatal bullet struck their leader in the breast very near the heart and he sank slowly to the ground and expired, after murmuring a few broken sentences to those nearest him to conceal his death from the men and continue the fight. A group of of the 49th at once gathered about their prostrate leader and one of them was severely wounded by a cannon shot and fell across his body."
Cruikshank, "The battle of Queenston Heights : an abridgement, by permission of the publishers, the Lundy's Lane Historical Society, of the monograph by E. A. Cruikshank", p.8
So there's the verbatim citation. I can't help but take (as most have) that there was but one assault on the Redan Battery led by Brock. It may have faltered and lost momentum before continuing. But there isn't any indication of a backtrack over previously-covered ground that would indicate two separate charges by Brock.Natty10000 (talk) 23:43, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brock: One charge or two? 

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As of late, there's been a rash of unidentified editors posting pointless changes to this and other War of 1812-related pages. Today, the IP seems to be 86.174.141.113 adding "decisive" hither and nigh (which bears a striking resemblance to 82.28.232.117 doing the exact same thing). Is there a way to moderate the changeability of pages or is the ability of unknown parties to repeatedly vandalise entries one of those things about Wiki that has to be just tolerated to a degree? TIA User:Natty10000 [Stop me before I edit again!] 15:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  You can request that this article be protected from IP editors by requesting semi-protection at WP:RFPP.  Be sure to state the reason it needs to be protected such as IP hopping vandalism.—cyberpower ChatOnline 16:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks and I'll try that route. The bicentennial of the War is just getting going and already a number of topics have been subject to vandalism. User:Natty10000 [Stop me before I edit again!] 03:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
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message: This statement could do with some explanation - who were the chiefs referred to? An appropriate wilimk might do the trick. Lavateraguy (talk) 07:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a note in Cruikshank's article in , which states that "Two Cayuga chiefs and three warriors, whose names have been preserved, were killed". Annoyingly, these names were not preserved in Zaslow. I suspect the answer lies in Cruikshank's "Documentary History", which I will re-read when I have time. HLGallon (talk) 05:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the Mohawks furious over the deaths of two chiefs" 

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