Talk:Wicked (Maguire novel)

message: the shoes were silverish when frex gave them to nessa, but when glinda enchanted them, it turned them red (ruby)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.163.218.95 (talk) 22:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the shoes were made of glass through skills Frex learned from turtle heart. Zappernapper 22:14, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maguire takes care never to call the shoes either "silver" or "ruby", instead using poetic descriptions of the way the shoes catch the light.  This way, the reader can envision them either as ruby (per the film) or silver (per Baum's original book). —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In other areas where the movie and book differed he always sided with the movie. I thought Maguire made the shoes ambiguous to avoid paying a fee for use of the part of the story that MGM still holds under copyright: http://www.eskimo.com/~tiktok/faq19.html#11 172.162.255.176 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I know (smiles), but i think the fact that the shoes indeed were made of iridescent glass beads is something worth noted in the article itself. Zappernapper 23:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sure.  There might even be room for a brief quoted description from the novel. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shoes 

message: I'm pretty sure Dorothy wasn't eight or nine, she was more like twelve or thirteen, possibly fourteen or fifteen.
:it's really hard to say how old Dorothy is supposed to be because the author borrows from both the orginal book and the movie (e.g. references to Boq, but nothing about the Witch of the South).  If we went by the book, then 10 is accurate, but the age Judy Garland portrays is significantly older (we have to remember that the part was orginally written for Shirly Temple who was indeed much younger looking. Zappernapper 22:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you know.... never mind that bit about Shirley Temple, according to the 50th Anniversary Edition VHS booklet, that's a myth and MGM only briefly thought about hiring her, but Judy Garland was actually the orginal choice. Zappernapper 21:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dorothy 

message: I find myself at odds with the fact that the plot section suggests the Elixur made Elphie green, as a result of having been drunk by Melena while pregnant.  It was my understanding that the elixer made her very drunk or otherwise drugged and then had sex with the "salesman."  If ne1 wishes to dispute this please let me know but i'll be changing it soon if no one objects. Zappernapper 22:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to re-read both novels to make my eventual plot summaries accurate, but I believe that Elphaba's mother was already rather "heady" over the roots she would chew, and the elixir gave her hallucinations, as well as having a side effect on the pregnancy. Cybertooth85 04:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we say, "may or may not" have been responsible for turning her green?  I just presumed it was because she was "born of both worlds."  Case in point - Liir's daughter at the end of the book is green and we have no reason to think that Candle drank the Elixur. -Zappernapper 04:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. However, with Liir's daughter, it could just be an instance of genetics, with the green skin being a recessive mutation...or some other convenient lie;) Cybertooth85 23:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: this is an old thread, but i figured i'd respond neways - the book plainly explains that Shell's name was connected to Turtle Heart b/c no one was sure who's child he was since at the time of conception Melena, Frex, and Turtle Heart were involved in a polyamorous relationship. -- ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 20:11, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding was that issue was present for Nessa's conception and that Turtle Heart had already died by the time Shell was born. I took it as Frex named Shell that to honor his dead friend. Tydoni (talk) 00:47, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot section.... was Melena pregnant during the wizard's visit? 

message: The Wizard of Oz book and movie pages each have some info about each other and about Wicked. How about a section here detailing the differences between Wicked and Wizards? 172.162.255.176 13:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  compare and contrast other Oz works? 

message: There is no separate entry in the list of characters for princess Nastoya, the Elephant, who plays a key role.  It is she who actually tells Elphaba that she is to become a witch, and provides her the crows as "familiars."  Her importance is reinforced at the conclusion, when Elphaba summons her aid (although it is too late).  Davidb0229 (talk) 02:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible missing character 

message: "She later gives birth to the child Elphaba, inside a device called The Clock of the Time Dragon"  The clock of the time dragon is a sort of theatrical device, this appears NOWHERE in the wicked book that elphaba was given birth inside the device, f anything the clock should be explained as well, it's a large part of Muchkinlanders and is alluded to several times throughout the rest of the book.Michael Cook 18:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: uh... yes it does... first chapter. is you remember, it was raining outside too, and given the timing of the birth, if the clock hadn't been where it was, Elphaba would have been been born in the rain and would have died. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 17:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elphaba's birth? 

message: I always figured Melena's children were subtle examples of fidelity. It loudly hints that her two daughters were both fathered by men other than her husband (Elphaba by the Wizard, Nessa by Turtle-Heart), and coincidentally Elphaba turned out green and Nessa was born with no arms. Their brother Shell was born whole, and we can be fairly sure that his father was Frex.
Is this inference unencyclopedic or is it worth mentioning somewhere? The article doesn't have much meat to it; it's mostly just a play-by-play of the novel. It would be nice to add something else to it. --Marshmello 21:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fidelity 

message: :The novel presents events, characters and situations from Anne's books and the film in new ways, with several differences between the Riley Anne series and the Wicked Cycle.
Who is Riley Anne, and what does this person have to do with Oz? Ronstew (talk) 05:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that Huntington has replaced the nonsensical references to Riley Ann wih correct ones to F.L Baum. Ronstew (talk) 01:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riley Anne? 

message: I propose merging the list: List of characters in Wicked to this article. Currently, the information exists on both pages but neither contains all of it. This merge would allow all the character information on Wikipedia to exist in one place in one article. I do not think an additional list is necessary as proposed here by User:JeanColumbia. Scottydude  talk 20:38, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even though this is almost a year old, I say sure go for it.  The list itself has no references and I'm not sure it could survive an AfD since WP:STAND requires the same policies and guildlines for that list as to a regular article, such as WP:N, WP:V, etc.. ThemFromSpace 02:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It may have taken two years to accomplish, but the merge is now complete. I hope no one has any objections now considering this has been up for discussion for such a long time. Neelix (talk) 20:11, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: (Discussion continued below; see Talk:Wicked: The Life and Times of the Wicked Witch of the West#Merge with Nor (Wicked), Frexspar, Liir, Doctor Dillamond, Madame Morrible, and Fiyero.)  Goustien (talk) 23:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Under the munchkinlander section, they say Nessa is pink and disabled and her father's favorite. She hasn't even been born yet. Melena is pregnant and unsure whether the father is Frex or Turtle Heart but we dont know about her pinkness and disabiltiy. Correct me if im wrong...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.77.30 (talk) 18:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nessa 

message: The Clock of the Time Dragon reminded me of the Corpus Clock, maybe the designer of the clock was inspired by this book. The "grasshopper" on top really looks a bit like a "tik-tok dragon so lifelike as to strike awe in the hearts of all who see it". Mahjongg (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clock of the time dragon 

message: There's a huge, run-on sentence that needs to be edited. I think I know what it is trying to say, but since I haven't read the book and am not familiar with the plot, I am not comfortable editing it:
"Boq's crush on Glinda eventually subsides, and they all become friends with a Vinkus Prince named Fiyero, a quiet boy who speaks little English but draws attention by his strange customs and pattern of blue diamond tattoos all across his body, who is new to Shiz, and Elphaba's sister, Nessarose, who is called up to Shiz, ostensibly to bring a new chaperone for Glinda and Elphaba."
--Yelocab (talk) 17:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence needs editing 

message: This is a novel of ideas that is more about the ideas than a storyline. The plot summary gives a good sense of the events, but doesn't tell us much about the ideas. I just finished rereading the novel, and I do not remember the Wizard ever being referred to as Oscar Zoroaster Diggs. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsatisfactory "plot summary"

message: Why is this book classified as a children's novel? In the home page of the author's website this book is clearly listed as a book geared at adultshttp://www.gregorymaguire.com/. Even if it wasn't it should be clear its an adult book, whole plot points of the book involves adult themes: sex, murder, discrimination, adultery, the difference between boys and girls in regards to genitalia. These are topics that generally are not covered in children's literature and when they are not not covered in the kind of detail this book covers them in. The only reason I can see this book classified as children's literature is that it is based off of a childrens series. The Fairy Godmother by Mercedes Lackey is also based off of childern's literature and even has less adult themes however that book is for good reason placed under the novel category as this book should be. 
Tydoni (talk) 05:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, not good. I've removed the WikiProject Children's Literature box. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 06:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Children's novel

message: The Grimmerie is not sufficiently individually notable to justify its own article. As such, Grimmerie should be merged here. Neelix (talk) 02:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, if you're going to merge it anywhere, I think you should merge it with The Wicked Years.  The Grimmerie is a significant presence in the other two books of the series as well. Henrymrx (t·c) 02:45, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It actually is a book so it should have its own article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.31.120 (talk) 14:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Grimmerie]] 

message: I'm guessing the page linked to Melena (section Munchkinlanders) is false, it leads to "Melena" as in black feces.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.79.197.122 (talk) 21:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link for Melena 

message: I am wondering about something: does the introduction of the concept of east/west witches being sisters contradict Baum's canon (did he explicitly say they were not related?) or does it merely supplement it? It's always nice when there is a way to puzzle out how media doesn't actually contradict and we can consider it all a wider universe if want. For example:
*Perhaps in the original novels the West witch merely did not mention her familial relations because it was a personal issue for her? Especially since her family died, it may not be something she wanted to let on about.
Another possibility could be that familial claims in new media are simply lies, since witches are known to lie on occasion. Ranze (talk) 12:56, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Canonicity of Thropp sisters East and West

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The New York Times is particularly brutal in its apraisal of Wicked. https://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/24/books/books-of-the-times-let-s-get-this-straight-glinda-was-the-bad-one.html
Tor.com's review is less vitriolic and more balanced, but points out that Wicked very much flies in the face of the established canon. https://www.tor.com/2010/12/16/responding-to-fairyland-gregory-maguires-wicked/
I'm no editor, and certainly not skilled in presenting a balanced case for Wicked, since I am biased, but I do feel that this page is lacking a section on how the book was recieved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:3940:92D0:788F:866A:F4C:5C78 (talk) 11:23, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of reviews? Of criticism? 

message: Who or what is "Tor" in "Tor noted that terrorism, committed both by and against the state…"? - Jmabel | Talk 04:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tor" 

message: All references to the musical should be removed from this page since the musical is its own property and anyone wishing to find information on the musical can go to that page. 66.243.233.201 (talk) 05:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The musical and film are adequately covered under the Adaptations section. I have placed an invisible comment there reminding future editors that both musical and film have their own articles now and any future additions should go on those pages. Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 17:33, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book vs. Musical