Talk:The first four Sunni Caliphs and the Sunnah

message: I think this page needs cleanup really bad... anyone else? 3L3CTRIC 33L 22:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Ibadi POV is that Uthman and Ali both introduced Bid'ah, while Abu Bakr and Umar presumably did not. (IslamFact.com).  I'm trying to find out what innovations they believe Uthman and Ali to have introduced. - Mustafaa 23:27, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In the same way that exiling Abu Dharr is. - Mustafaa 01:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ibadi

message: http://www.quranbrowser.com/ make a query for "4:43, 5:6"
The Quran clearly says that tayamum can be used as ghusl. Umar desition was against the Quran. 
Soments? Will you still remove that if i add it?
I know that Kahlifa is not a Muslim, but whould you say that this translation of the meaning is incorrect in the relevant part of the vers and subject?
004:043
O you who believe, do not observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) while intoxicated, so that you know what you are saying. Nor after sexual orgasm without bathing, unless you are on the road, traveling; if you are ill or traveling, or you had urinary or fecal-related excretion (such as gas), or contacted the women (sexually), and you cannot find water, you shall observe Tayammum (dry ablution) by touching clean dry soil, then wiping your faces and hands therewith. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver.
005:006
O you who believe, when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles. If you were unclean due to sexual orgasm, you shall bathe. If you are ill, or traveling, or had any digestive excretion (urinary, fecal, or gas), or had (sexual) contact with the women, and you cannot find water, you shall observe the dry ablution (Tayammum) by touching clean dry soil, then rubbing your faces and hands. GOD does not wish to make the religion difficult for you; He wishes to cleanse you and to perfect His blessing upon you, that you may be appreciative.
--Striver 01:03, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, fair point. - Mustafaa 01:13, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umar & Quran 

message: The link to Sahih Muslim, Book 4, Number 1477 only claims that Uthman read the normal number of rakat when he traveled, as oppossed to the shortened number allowed by the Prophet.  Furthermore, it only claims that he did so on that instance, rather than commanding others to do so during his caliphate.  This particular hadith, which the article links, makes no mention of the prayer read (which this article refers to as the morning prayer).  Pepsidrinka 04:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not yet read the article you kindly posted. Is not the Ummah supposed to follow the Sunnah of the rashidun, in Sunni fiqh? --Striver 06:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Uthman doubling prayer

message: Why not creat some section in the Sunnah article, and when we have reached a agreed version, we can VFD this article. --Striver 10:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's no fight about merging, then we don't need to jump through administrative hoops. We just have to give notice of the proposed merge and leave the matter open for a few days, to give other people time to comment. Zora 11:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Point is, i dont know if i support a merge, since i dont know what you have in mind. But im prepared to look and see. Make the additions to Sunnah, if that reders this article supeficial, then we might think about deleting it.--Striver 01:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: answer

message: It is related by Ahmad and Abu Dawud that the Prophet authorized the addition of "prayer is better than sleep" in the morning athan.  Source.  Pepsidrinka 04:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yahya related to me from Malik that he had heard that the muadhdhin came to Umar ibn al-Khattab to call him to the subh prayer and found him sleeping, so he said, "Prayer is better than sleep," and Umar ordered him to put that in the adhan for subh.
It is obvious from this that the adhan is not mentioned in the general, but rather just the athan for subh, or fajr.  Furthermore, I have provided reference to where the "Sunni view" is that the Prophet originally allowed for the phrases to be added to the Fajr athan, does refuting the claim that Umar "changed the sunnah."  Pepsidrinka 05:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim that Umar changed the athan 

message: What does it mean? Pepsidrinka 20:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gasib-e-fidak 

message: As of now the article is purely original research, citing not a single secondary source. If sources are not added, most of the content may have to be removed.Bless sins 16:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete OR