Talk:Veneration of the dead

message: Why is the section on Native American practices written in the past tense? They're not dead.
2600:1700:7F0:C0D0:39AB:552D:B28E:D784 (talk) 05:05, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find that section.  Where is it.  I agree with you whole heartedly that these practices are alive and well.  But they are not limited to Native Americans as you call them.  Those practices are regularly followed by the INdigenous in what is now Canada also. 209.91.118.158 (talk) 17:19, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Also, Id like to add that there were many practices left out for Native Americans. There are large burial mounds across the continent. There were peoples in the north great lakes regions that would hold ceremonies to clean bones a year after death. I think the first part of the North American Native American part should be removed because it groups many cultures as one and is untrue. The Pueblo piece should stay as it is the only one with a source. 104.129.152.41 (talk) 11:26, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Even if you do have a point, to my mind it seems far better to stick to an old established and widely used term. The problem with that term is already in that article, as it should be. 80.217.62.168 22:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: I've suggested that we merge the two articles. There was a discussion three years ago, but the articles have not moved on since then. My feeling is that if the articles were combined, the resulting article would be better and be easier to contribute to.VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 16:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal with [[Ancestor worship]] 

message: Right, now that these articles are merged, we need to organise the material better. (For those surprised at a merger, it was basically unopposed through lack of interest on either page, and supported on the WikiProject Religion page.)
There seems to be organisational tension between looking at religious teachings and at geographically based "traditional" teachings. Perhaps a split between the two, with religions being the dominant organising principle, and geographical variations and traditions explaining the messier stuff (such as syncretic practices) etc. which would be easier once a broad account of religious ideas has been set out.
Any opinions out there?VsevolodKrolikov (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well for one thing, many pages that link to here from "ancestor worship" are on mythological subjects like brownies, nisser, etc; with the speculation being that these household micro-deities derived from worshipping the first settler of a given village, the oft-described "old man in the hill" who was buried there. How this change in worship would occur is not elaborated on, and it seems odd that this article doesn't mention that at all, in the European sections.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.206.153 (talk) 07:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post merger restructuring 

message: What about Japan? Why ain't it here? Ancestor worship is still quite popular there, and lets no forget that the samurais historically worshiped their ancestors. 142.169.126.86 (talk) 03:51, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ten years later, this question remains. In fact, both Shinto and Japanese Buddhist traditions venerate ancestors. Many homes in Japan have a Shinto Kamidana and a Buddhist Butsudan, both of which are connected with the spirits of ancestors, and where daily offerings are made on their behalf. I will try to flesh-out the section, but would appreciate any input. Bricology (talk) 11:53, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan 

message: I think a section should be added concerning ancient Israel, given the emphasis on "fathers" and genealogies in the Bible. The succession of legendary patriarchs such as Noah, Abraham, Jacob (Israel), Judah, etc. suggests a cult of ancestors.86.40.136.121 (talk) 05:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there are reliable sources backing up such a suggestion, this would fall within the restrictions on original research and synthesis.  Philg88 ♦talk 06:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancient Israel 

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thread_title:  Urglaawe Spam Removal and Reinstatement 

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message: I would like this article to have more information about this idea in Islam and Arabic Cultures.  I was redirected here from the Wahhabism page.  Given the actions and ideas of both Saudi Arabia and the Islamic State in this domain, I think it's particularly relevant.  I don't really know what would be good to add or good sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.9.56.252 (talk) 15:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
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message: Is there any particular reason why Eastern Orthodoxy  and in particular Saturday of the Souls has not been included ?
Iconography and veneration of the dead in the Saturday of the Souls leading up to the Eastern Paschal celebration is a distinct cultural practice compared to Roman Catholic traditions. The great schism between the Eastern and Western church was in part due to tradition and religious practice entailing veneration of Saints through "written" icons, the dead in one's family, and Orthodox Christians who died deprived of certain religious rites.
 The addition of a suitably written section to cover these sociocultural practices would greatly improve the scope and quality of the article. Dr.khatmando (talk) 01:53, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: I have a complaint. I was redirected to this page from "morthwyrtha" but that term appears nowhere on this page. What gives? Michaeld42 (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be an Old English word for worship of the dead in the pagan Anglo-Saxon religion, but with that spelling there is an ominous absence of references from the last century or more, so it may just be Victorian bullshit, in a subject plagued by that.  The redirect could be deleted or sent there.  Johnbod (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
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message: "In some Afro-diasporic cultures, ancestors are seen as being able to intercede on behalf of the living, often as messengers between humans and God."
NO QUOTE!
? the-divine?  the gods?  excuse me?  Clarify/re-word please.
Truly indigenous (actually- )African, would not even believe IN, the carelessly left-ambiguous-but-flexible "God", that the line does not further-specify between - or at least most of them - the few cultures that've formed since (presumably) Judaism/Islam/Christianity's arrival, that have supposedly un-interfered-with choices to have, either or more than one of the 3 as a critical part of their culture, or, 'naturally' developed with it without any outside influence (practically impossible these days), would be the exception to the rule, but even then, considering that their culture would be only then partially African-originating, although one could say that the culture in Q IS African, it would STILL be mis-leading, to leave the two associated. 120.21.175.101 (talk) 01:35, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias/misrepresentation/graphitti-opportunism in the 2nd line, no less... 

message: The within-wikipedia link for the "dispora", of Gaelic rites/practices,
currently-links to SPECIFICALLY the Irish dispora,
when Gaels, are not ONLY, Irish, in modern terms ;
see .
Replacing the only-irish one, with that one, might be a simple solution. 120.21.175.101 (talk) 02:14, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaelic section needs internal link replaced 

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