Talk:Boğaziçi University

message: Can we move this page to the name "Boğaziçi University"? Adam78 15:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move?

message: The entire history section is taken word-for-word from the Boğaziçi University website: History of Bogazici University. Xemxi 17:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: well, the names presented in the rectors section are actually the ones who were rectors of Robert College before BU was founded. those names also appear on the present high school's page...i think they should be only mentioned here but should not be presented as the past rectors of BU, because they were not.--Quinlan Vos 01:02, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rectors 

message: The names of Robert College alumni cannot be included in the list of notable alumni, due to the fact that Robert College is not equal to Bogazici in any case. First of all, some of the Robert College alumni listed there graduated only from Robert College's high school let alone be a student in college section. Even if that was the case, and they graduated from Robert College, Robert Yuksek, Robert Academy before 1971, they cannot be named Bogazici University alumni. This is a fact, which cannot be ignored by saying Robert College was the former name of Bogazici University (which is not true, by the way). Robert College only donated one of its two campuses to the Republic of Turkey, with all of its buildings and facilities to be refounded as a public, Turkish university, which is not related at all with Robert College's status in Turkey according to the Treaty of Lausanne. The only bond today, that exists between Robert College and Bogazici University is the fact that Bogazici is a public university that was founded on the campus which was built (South) and used for nearly a century by Robert College. Due to the constitutional changes, Robert College students lost their privilege to be admitted to Bogazici University without the OSS, like the French schools and Galatasaray Lisesi graduates direct entry to Galatasary University. In other words with the loss of the right of direct entry, Bogazici University has lost all of its connection with Robert College. The symbolic foundation date of 1863, is similar to the symbolic date of foundation of Istanbul University, 1453. The fact that a new institution was founded on a former campus of another, does not make the new one, the contiunation of the old. For the reasons stated, the list of alumni cannot include people, who have graduated from Robert College, Robert Yuksek and Robert Academy, or anyone who graduated before 1971, the legal date of foundation of Bogazici University. --Maestro 14:50, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert College Alumni cannot be included in the list of notable alumni 

message: I agree with Meastro if you graduate from Bogazici University you are not a Robert College High School Graduate unless you graduated from Robert College High School (İstanbul Amerikan Robert Lisesi) earlier. 
But having said that, I must add that Bogazici University did in fact inherit the traditions of Robert College as the first American College outside or United States:
Bogazici University kept its institutions intact and the students enjoyed a typical American College campus life including the extracurricular activities that are typical of US college campuses (clubs, fraternities, etc.) Robert college was split into two in 1971 as a College and a High School after a bill was passed in the Turkish parliament that nationalized the education. The College part of former "Robert College" is today's Bogazici University  and the High school part was joined by ACG (American College for Girls or Uskudar Amerikan in Turkish) to became Istanbul American Robert Lisesi. 
The contention between the Robert Lise and Bogazici University students and the alumni is that The High school retained the name "American" in its name and the college did not, and it was named "Bogazici University". The polemical discussion posted by Maestro above is about "who is more American", the Amerikan Robert Lisesi or the Bogazici University. 
Up until 1980 when YOK (Council for the Hiher Education) was founded by the junta rejime, the universities in Turkey had retained their academic independence. Moreover, until 1980 the Universities in Turkey were more like a sovereign states: they had their senates they made the rules and the bylaws, they had the right to allow or deny police force in their campus etc. They ran pretty much like a city state up until 1980. So Bogazici University was very much like a typical US college  of the same period.  
The nationalization of the Universities also meant that the graduates of Robert Lisesi were no longer automatically entitled to be admitted to Bogazici University  after high school graduation as they were prior to 1971. They had to take the "Entrance Exam" (Equivalent of SAT) and compete against the rest of the high school graduates in Turkey. Graduates of Amerikan Robert Lisesi and Uskudar Amerikan Lisesi are academically very proficient but Bogazici University admitted very few students every year and the demand was too high and those rural poor Turkish kids were also clever after all. Having to compete with the rest of the Turkish high school graduates to be admitted to Bogazici University was a contentious point for Robert Lisesi and Uskudar Amerikan Lisesi graduates. Before 1971 every Amerikan High school graduate was entitled an Admission to Robert College which was no longer the case.
Today both schools are very much like American instutions: Robert Lisesi is more like a prep school for the rich kids and Bogazici University is more like the University of California, Berkeley, that you really need to be very clever to get in. 
So the gripe that the rich kids of Robert Lisesi raise is very similar to dynamics of "Affirmative Action" in the US that some "non-white or non-rich kids" are admitted to the positions which were slated to the Robert Lisesi graduates before. Even this disagreement is very American.  So yes I agree with Maestro graduating from Bogazici Universit does not mean that you are a "Robert College" graduate and there is a wealth of information to dig there! AverageTurkishJoe 06:01, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert College != Bogazici University But... 

message: Is it appropriate to include headscarf issue in the introductory part of the article? I don't mean it should not be mentioned. But  its place is a bit weird.
--Emredmrl (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headscarf ban 

message: I deleted the following part:
Boğaziçi University is neither among the top 3 Turkish universities (Istanbul Technical University #1, Bilkent University #2 and Sabanci University #3) in the field of engineering/technology according to Times Higher Education Supplement nor listed in Academic Ranking of World Universities in Engineering/Technology and Computer Sciences - 2009
The information above misrepresents the reality due to following reasons:
1. The ranking of the university is not listed in the mentioned lists. This doesn't add any new information. It may be due to reasons that the university was not reviewed by the rankers.
2. There are several criticisms regarding the Times Higher Education Supplement. You cannot claim that the university is not among top 3 only because of this specific ranking. You should add more valid proofs for this claim.  --Mertnuhoglu (talk) 12:11, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rankings

message: It seems there are two schools of thought here regarding Rankings. There are some people who feel they add no merit to this article and others who feel that there is a great deception going on by the other group to deceive incoming undergrads, etc (read the article edit comments). There is no komplo theory here. Go look at entries for schools such as Oxford. It has a very balanced section on rankings telling in what fields it is ranked #1 and in others where Cambridge ranks higher. There is even a table to look at. However, it is a COMPLETE listing or rankings across ALL majors. Go look at that entry and look at the position of the rankings subsection. It is much lower in the article and I have moved it accordingly here. 
In this mini-edit war here, some users continually want to assert the fact that Bogazici University does not rank in the top 3 in certain technical fields. Fair enough. What about in Social Sciences and Humanities fields? Where is that information. If you continually try to force your own sentence on rankings, without any other information, you are skewing the article and not providing a Neutral Point of View as I have stated in a previous comment. Furthermore, by putting your section as the lead paragraph in the section, you are pushing a negative tone, also against Wiki policies.
In an effort to be conciliatory, I have kept your paragraph and placed it after the other ranking info. The way it now reads, it starts with the positive tone. Then, your edit comes next to contrast the previous information. This article is about Bogazici University and its Rankings. It isn't about how much better other schools are. If you are happy that ITU is ranked #1 in certain fields, put it under the ITU entry (don't worry, I know it is already there--also, note its subsection position in the article). Its inclusion in this article as its own section is done with an agenda as your comments so clearly indicate. --Billyshakes (talk) 16:32, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rankings again 

message: There is this one user using the IPs "66.240.35.66" and "128.178.35.40" and the user ID "Wo'brian" who constantly posts misleading information under the "Rankings" section. The so-called university rankings that have been posted by this person are NOT "academic university rankings," but rather "university website popularity rankings." The only two rankings he cites that refer to the rankings of the university in general, Webometrics and 4icu, rank "university website popularity,", i.e. not their academic achievement or selectivity. That the rankings are based on website popularity means that larger universities with bigger student popuation will rank higher in general than smaller universities like Bogazici. And nowhere in the world, on any other university's ranking page, are these rankings ever mentioned as "university rankings," because of the simple reason that these are NOT "academic university rankings." 
Second, the OSS rankings, the only rankings of Turkish universities, done by the Turkish Higher Education Council, are not even mentioned here, again, misleading the readers. My own edits which referred to the OSS rankings, with references, have been constantly undone by this person, reverting the article to his own version. Now, the article is "locked," and locked with HIS version being there. The article has been locked by the meta-editor "King of Hearts;" I invite you all to show your reaction and fix this issue. I myself have made all the effort to keep the article as representative as possible. I am done. I have no time to deal with a vandal all by myself, especially when the vandal is one who is being supported by a Wikipedia meta-editor. Jacksantr (talk) 05:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading information under "Rankings" 

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message: Currently, the date of establishment of the university is written in the article as 1863. But, isn't this the date when Robert College was founded, and not the Boğaziçi University? The Robert College Yüksek division became the Boğaziçi University only in 1971. Gyte75 (talk) 19:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I went ahead and made this change, hopefully that wasn't premature. There is also an entry for Robert College, so it doesn't make sense to list RC's founding date for BU. Allegory.of.the.blank (talk) 16:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of establishment of the university