Talk:Jesse James Hollywood

message: "On August 8, 2000 he was shot and killed by a group of men working for Jesse, in the mountains north of Goleta, California."
"He was apprehended on March 9, 2005 in Brazil"
I think a little more clarity would be useful here about who "he" refers to.  I'm assuming that the first sentence refers to Nicholas, but could do with a pointer from someone who knows.  Robotmannick 07:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is NO fake I guarantee you, please read I am sorry this is offensive to me as I considered the victim a friend  http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/jesse_james_hollywoo/1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs)  03:21, 12 August 2008
This is not fake, and his name really if Jesse James Hollywood - I live in Goleta and it happened in the mountings which is like a 20 minute drive from the lemon tree in which is located in Santa Barbara where Nicholas Markowitz spent his last hours. Everyone should see the movie its supposed to be held very true to the facts since the Santa Barbara Jusge who presided over the trials of the others that were involved handed over all transcripts including confidential material to the director/writer of the movie (alpha dog). if anyone does a little research it will clearly show that these people actually do exist and this actually did happen. When1eight=2zeros
"When Hollywood appeared on America's Most Wanted, some tips led to Canada, where Hollywood was a bitch." I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean or why it was there, but I deleted it. It was the first line in the Capture section. Mobkey 04:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: This is just a general response to everyone here; please try to keep the spelling and grammar to a decent level as much of it is illegible and VERY difficult to read. I looked over this section and fixed nothing but the most egregious spelling mistakes, such as misspellings with words containing as little as 1-3 letters. Grow up. Rocky 03:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A bunch of unsigned, uncategorized, old discussion 

message: Jesse James Hollywood is in fact a serial killer awaiting trial in California, this is no fake, Benjamin Markowitz was a citizen of Simi Valley, CA.
I know this is true b-cuz I knew Ben, Jesse James was a name he bought himself after he became wealthy, his birth name is not known to me.
Jesse James Hollywood associates still control much of the drug traffic within Ventura County.
THIS IS NOT FAKE and it would be a GREAT INJUSTICE TO the Markowitz Family to pulls this article.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/jesse_james_hollywoo/1.html
When1eight=2zeros
Jesse James Hollywood is his birth name. You can find it in the California Birth Records (which are public). 
--Kenny 18:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  THIS IS IN FACT GENUINE 

message: It seems that this article presumes the guilt of Hollywood in spite of the fact that his trial has not yet begun.  Is it not necessary to write that the 'facts' in this article are disputed by Hollywood?  I agree with the writer above that sources for this article are necessary, which that might clear up some of the issues.
67.190.100.152 19:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alleged is a difficult word in this instance.  There are court cases and people in jail and solid proof that the Markowitz kid was kidnapped, that the older Markowitz was a drug dealer, etc.  The only "alleged" thing in this situation is that Hollywood allegedly ordered the murder.  There is NO DOUBT in any case that the group kidnapped the kid, one could say that Hollywood was allegedly involved in the kidnapping, but the kid was not allegedly kidnapped.  One might say that Markowitz allegedly owed money to Hollywood, but not that Markowitz was an alleged drug dealer as it has been proven that he is.  One might say that Hollywood allegedly sold drugs to Markowitz, but not that Hollywood was a drug dealer...because it has been proven that he was.  One does not commit an error by saying that "the group kidnapped Markowitz."  It is an error to say that the group "allegedly kidnapped Markowitz" as that gives the presumption of innocence to the entire group, rather than just Hollywood.  It would be more appropriate to say that the group kidnapped Markowitz and Hollywood was allegedly with them.  Additionally it would be more appropriate to say that "Hollywood allegedly did it because the elder Markowitz owed him drug money." 74.132.172.179 01:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged 

message: Reference 7 is unavailable at the court's website. JensMueller 23:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Court document unavailable 

message: I believe it is completely obvious whos name it is. Jesse James People need to know when one alledged killer has the name of another. DiRilict 22:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jesse James from the 1800s has nothing to do with this guy, as much as people like you would love to see media hype. Rocky 02:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no reference to the original Jesse James? 

message: The grammar in this section doesnt look like it was crafted by a native speaker of English. Can someone who knows the facts clean it up, I'm not clear on what they're trying to say about the pregnancy and extradition.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.209.47 (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian laws 

message: This guy could not have been arrested in Brazil but had to be in Paraguay just as the film stated because Brazil has a law that anyone in Brazil cannot be arrested and extradited while in Brazil for crimes they committed in another country.
:No, they don't. Batman2005 12:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using an Interpol warrant, Brazilian authorities arrested Hollywood at a shopping center just after he and his girlfriend sat down at an outdoor table. As he was led away in handcuffs, witnesses said his girlfriend cried: "My son! My son! I have a son with him!" http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-20347.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.63.92 (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I added that.--Patrick 16:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't be Brazil 

message: The current article makes no mention of why Markowitz was killed. 68.166.64.212 (talk) 12:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why'd he do it? 

message: Why was the section completely removed?  I could see trimming it down alittle, but now there is no reference to the movie at all.
Also, the mentioning of Graham Pressley & Jesse Rugge gives no connection to Jesse Hollywood elsewhere in this article. Were they accomplices? If so, please give a reference. Otherwise, please remove those sentences. 68.0.226.152 (talk) 01:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree--there needs to be some better editing here because it's entirely unclear how these people are related in the events of JJH's life. (69.19.14.24 (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alpha Dog 

message: According to the article, Jesse James Hollywood is on death row, serving a life sentence AND still awaiting trial.  Can't be all three. Viciouslies (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence referred to Hoyt. Hollywood is awaiting trial, Hoyt is on death row. BBiiis08 (talk) 07:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictions 

message: In the section "Narcotics Operation and Murder," it all gets really informal and biased after this sentence:
They drove up to Richard Hoeflinger's house, a friend of Rugge's. Everyone was smoking weed, drinking, listening to rap music, playing video games, and having a good time.
It seems to be written from Jesse Jame Hollywood's defense attorney's perspective or something. Also, it has no citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.96.82 (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article gets exremely informal and biased 

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