Talk:Redbone (ethnicity)

message: I plan to move this article to "Redbone (ethnicity)" shortly because:
* There are only two non-user-page references to this use, as opposed to half a dozen to the music group.
* Neither Merriam-Webster Online nor Dictionary.com mention this use. They both define "redbone" as a type of dog.
I have already created a disambiguation page, whose title I will change to "Redbone". — Jeff Q 16:38, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving to "Redbone (ethnicity)" 

message: The paragraph reference to Melungeon is not appropriate to the definition Redbone and should be removed.
Mishiho (talk) 07:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a related concept and does seem to deserve mention in the article, even if only to distinguish the differences. Badagnani (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Melungeon in this definition 

message: This section will be removed, as the selections are arbitrary - most of the people were not born nor grew up in the South. They seem to have been selected because of being light-skinned African Americans.  It is just pointless.--Parkwells (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Redbones

message: From my observation (therefore, original research and unsuitable for Wikipedia?) the expression seems to have come into use to refer to light-skinned (i.e. mixed Euro-Afro-heritage) African-Americans, at least in Florida. Can anyone confirm/validate this, i.e. produce verifiable resource(s)?
   This is news to me. I have lived in Florida almost all my 64 years, and have NEVER heard the term a single time. I came here, in fact, to find out what it meant.Maybe it is a young-folks word.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:1470:7878:432E:DC5E:5D09 (talk) 22:29, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Generalized Usage

message: This revision was made to address the valid flags for including apparent original material and unsupported assertions of fact.  The source most heavily relied upon is the only one I have been able to find addressing the topic generally AND meeting Wikipedia criteria for the quality of cited sources.  (The anecdotal histories and amateur and self-published compilations lately appearing do not meet Wikipedia standards for supporting facts.  Some are nevertheless included as items of further interest.)  Even so, the C. S. Everett article in 6 Encyclopedia of Southern Culture is considered a third-tier Wikipedia source if it is really an encyclopedia in the sense intended by the rules.  The volume itself is titled Ethnicity.  I took from it such facts as seem generally accepted as true, and omitted others that do not, which were few.  Much in the article did not pertain to this group (there was quite a bit on South Carolina "Brass Ankles").
I included in "References" the two second-tier sources cited at the end of Everett's article.  The Calcasieu Parish Public Library (Central) did not have them.
I created internal links for almost every word in the text that has an article.  The Regulator-Moderator War link is kind of weak support for the dispersal of Louisiana Redbones to east Texas, but it does say that the people involved in that feud had largely migrated west from the Neutral Ground.
Probably the most radical thing done today was to dedicate the entire Redbone (ethnicity) article to the Louisiana Redbones, a term which includes those of the same heritage on the Texas side and elswhere.  I think this is deserved by the facts, and that anyone wishing to apply the term to any other ethnicity has quite a burden of establishing specific facts by citation to acceptable sources.  If anyone wishes to do that, a Redbone (ethnicity) disambiguation page should be established.
If anyone has any first-tier or second-tier source material meeting Wikipedia standards, this article could really use them.  I'd like to see a history section treating such events as the 1892 Shoot-out on the Sabine and the Great Pitkin Bank Robbery.  Some of the web sites I've seen reference newspaper articles and contemporary accounts.  Better support for the DNA assertions would be great if anyone has any further links or citations of that nature.
If someone knows how to fix the "Contents" box, be my guest; it isn't where it should be, and isn't really needed.  Also I don't know what happened to my footnote codes.  The markups look okay and initially worked, but then the notes all disappeared, so I put them back by hand.
King Alexander (talk) 06:47, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision January 24, 2009 

message: I added a link to ancestry.com, but not to any specific trees within that website, because while the younger generation of people who have relatives within the Redbone community are beginning to reclaim some pride in their heritage, a stigma still exists, especially among older members.  I do not want to "out" one particular family or another, because this can be a sensitive topic for some.  An interested researcher who reads the speech Don Marler gave in the 1990s (link below) and then follows the surnames in Allen, Vernon, Rapides and Beauregard parishes can easily see that the patterns of marriage and census statements as to race are quite clear.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.2.52.23 (talk) 13:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestry.com Reference

message: I have added information from newspaper and firsthand accounts as I find the information, but it is slow going.  Several people have blogs and such about Redbones with various assertations.  I won't add anything without having primary sources at hand, even if I don't reference them directly, so if those folks ever read this, please feel free with the sharing of sources.  Remember, letters and old Bibles count! - Your humble researcher with family in Grant community.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.2.52.23 (talk) 14:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  November 2014 updates 

message: "Newspaper references to individuals whose families are considered part of the historical Redbone community are notable mainly for those Redbones who settled along Ten Mile Creek in Rapides Parish and Allen Parish, although other settlements (primarily two communities - one in what is now Newton County, Texas and one along Bearhead creek in what is now Beauregard Parish)[...]."
I am not especially knowledgeable about this topic, so I don't know how those other settlements compared to those aforementioned.  Can someone better e quip ed  than I somehow make clear what is supposed to come next?  The legacy of 2 community's press-cov is at stake, for that's stake, man!
96.41.246.213 (talk) 07:34, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Although......what?! 

message: Please provide citations that are or directly reference source documents for your assertations that there was/is a historic Redbone community in Northwest Louisiana and that Redbone ancestors came from North Carolina and Virginia.  Until then, I've reverted your changes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.2.52.23 (talk) 17:11, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: June 30 and July 2016 edits