Talk:Clenbuterol

message: Celnbuterol is also gaining attention as a weight-loss pill for the elite crowd. My understanding is that it is - as one might expect - dangerous for human consumption.  Wanted to run this by the discussion board before posting the info, as I don't know the exact rules on rumors and gossip going on Wikipedia. --Spesek 02:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

message: Is there a reason the text 'Clenbuterol is also a sympathomimetic in the peripheral nervous system.' is struck rather than simply not being there? 71.227.168.121 (talk) 00:56, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Struck passage

message: I've been hearing about a link between clenbuterol use and cardiac myopathy (which has been explained to me as the thickening of the heart muscle-- not good)... but there's nothing in the article about this link. Web searches uncover lots of articles about clenbuterol and the heart (mostly in medical language that I don't understand). Seems like this article should have some mention of that, somewhere? Can someone with more knowledge of this (I'm not a doctor!) summarize and amend the article? 69.154.23.143
Ok, I suck at this editing stuff... But I am a medical student and have done research into clenbuterol and other doping agents. First, cardiac myopathy does not mean thickening of heart muscle specifically, it means diseased heart muscle. The disease can be one of many, as you will see if you search for cardiomyopathy here on Wiki or anywhere else. There is actually evidence in animal models that beta2-receptor agonists (such as clenbuterol) has a stimulatory effect on the healing of cardiac myopathys caused by ischemia J Pharmacol Exp Ther. 2006 May;317(2):553-61. Epub 2006 Jan 18 (loss of blood supply to heart wall, as in a heart attack). 
Second, of course the use of clenbuterol can be dangerous... if it's not used correctly. That means keeping the right dosage, and timing of doses. Clenbuterol has a very long half-life, which means it will stay in the body for a long time before being excreted or metabolized. This in turn means that doses can't be taken to close to each other, or overdosing may occur. 
Now, overdosing clenbuterol is very bad indeed. I read in a thread downstream from this one someone asking if he should take 20 mg of clenbuterol. I seriously hope he meant 20 mcg, since 20 mg may very well have killed him. Overdosing is the greatest risk associated with clenbuterol use, since overdosing causes tachychardia and hypokalemia (J Med Toxicol. 2007 Jun;3(2):56-60.Click here to read (extremely fast heartbeats and dangerously low levels of potassium) which among people with an underlying disease can lead to heart attacks or strokes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Mixe (talk • contribs) 00:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heart problems 

message: I challenged the neutrality of the first sentence that says Clenbuterol is not a steroid but is thought of as one due to its 'abuse' in bodybuilding.  Who, exactly, is it that thinks of Clenbuterol as a steroid?  It's a bronchodialator that is used in bodybuilding for it's thermogenic properties to increase metabolism and shed fat before a subjective modeling contest.  And who defines the word 'abuse'?  If someone safely and effectively uses this drug to lose fat, do you define that as abuse?  Many drugs that were developed and sent to market for purpose A were later found to work perfectly for purpose B.  Look up Buproprion HCL.  
As for the above posted question; Clenbuterol was originally developed for human consumption.  However, when Salbutamol was developed it was a better drug for the purpose of bronchodialation.  It could be delivered in an atomized form and it had a much much shorter half life than its chemical cousin, Clenbuterol (1.6 hours vs. 36 hours).  I posted a link at the bottom of the Clenbuterol page that shows the doses at which athletes safely use clenbuterol to burn fat. BPBomber 16:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: How often do you take a 20 mg dosage? Do you take with water? In the morning? ect. I ordered some on line and the instruction came in a different language!!!
*This is not a discussion forum for clenbuterol dosage.GetAnabolics 20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dosage 

message: I believe this sentence is not accurate: Clenbuterol is often mistaken for a steroid because of its illicit use in athletics.  I suggest the following modification:  ...often mistaken for an anabolic androgenic steroid....GetAnabolics 20:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clenbuterol 

message: What about recreational use? I've heard it's taken by junkies... --Alexander Ivashkin 19:55, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recreational use 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Clenbuterol.png

message: In the Effects and Dosage section it says this: 
:It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR.
Human Use:
: It is commonly used as a slimming aid despite lack of sufficient clinical evidence supporting such use[2].
If it increases the basal metabolic rate then it surely must work as a slimming aid? 78.82.141.241 (talk) 18:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: I wonder if this page is the right place to discuss current doping allegations on Alberto Contador.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juancdelalamo (talk • contribs) 00:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is commonly used as a slimming aid despite lack of sufficient clinical testing either supporting or negating such use.
This section confuses me. Whilst prima facie it is just stating there's no clinical testing (which I doubt), the way it is phrased implies that it is debatable whether it is an effective means of losing fat. It has been used by cattle farmers to create very lean stock with extremely low fat content and has been for decades, and as far as data on it's usage, whilst it'd all be personal research, you can find thousands of day by day reports of it's usage by gym junkies and body builders.
It's an extensively documented drug as far as it's effectiveness in weight loss goes, so I find this article quite shocking in it's lack of information while researching it's use. I usually turn to wiki first, but tbh this has less information than even randomly generated pages for search engine hooking sites. :/ Could someone with more wiki skeelz than I please fix this shit up? 124.179.19.254 (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alberto Contador 

message: I'm rather suspicious of this source. While it is plausible the writer is a reliable source who happens to be writing with a sexual hype, it really sounds promotional and disingenuous.
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I have removed an anchor link that goes nowhere on the referred page, making me suspicious of affliate linking. I'd like to gong the entire sentence if no one objects; however, I imagine we could keep it if someone has a better source for the drug's popularity specifically in the women's gym and/or bodybuilder scene. / edg ☺ ☭ 16:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Muscular Development'' source 

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message: Write about the potential for slowing ALS progression. 46.131.61.209 (talk) 17:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ALS trial 

message: The article state that clenbuterol does not have anabolc effects. This seems contrary to the evidence on the matter.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mus.10092
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.cir.92.9.483
https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1471-2164-7-320 2001:700:1500:D125:9EB:BB61:FE56:D791 (talk) 10:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anabolic effects of clenbuterol