Talk:Publicity Department of the Chinese Communist Party

message: I removed the following sentence They are known to repeat their nationality and country of origin numerous times during speeches. because I cannot understand what is being stated. Who is "they?" Which "speeches" are being written about?Ngchen 22:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: i think it's called "publicity department" now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.216.2 (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: If PCPP could explain this, that would be great. --Asdfg12345 22:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation for deletions 

message: The title of this article has changed several times, as recorded in discussions above, but the infrequent title "Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China" goes against WP:COMMON NAME. Google Books and Google Scholar have 3,360 and 2,670 ghits for "Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China" but 103 and 436 for "Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China". Which is preferable, "Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China" or "Chinese Communist Party Propaganda Department"? Keahapana (talk) 02:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncommon title 

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message: Under Function it says: "Operational and reporting freedom has significantly increased in the Chinese media in the recent decade."
Is there any evidence this is true?
Reporters Without Borders ranked China 174 out of 179 countries in 2011, and 177 out of 180 in 2021.
https://rsf.org/en/world-press-freedom-index-20112012
https://rsf.org/en/ranking/2021
Without a strong argument in favour of this sentence sometime soon, I'll delete it (and the however at the start of the next sentence).
Netanyahuserious (talk) 11:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd remove it. The source simple mentions the . I didn't find any mention of increased reporting freedom. Vpab15 (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some context has been added. You should also look at the nearby sentence "Chinese journalists disclosing Propaganda Department directives to foreign media may be charged with "divulging state secrets", which has no reference. Burrobert (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: True for when it was published but no longer accurate, the last decade has seen an immense crackdown on the freedom of reporters in China with the vast majority of foreign reporters fleeing the country or being expelled. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: This article popped up in my news feed today DW "Press freedom rapidly deteriorating in China — report" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

text: This article has been making the rounds in the last few weeks. It is a robust response to Western criticism of China on press freedom. It is from the Yonden Lhatoo, Chief News Editor of the South China Morning Post. "Until and unless they free Assange, the US, the UK and Australia - and any other nation in bed with this menage a trois of morally bankrupt Western powers - have no right to preach human rights and press freedom to the rest of us. Flush your own faeces before you lecture us on sanitation". Is it relevant to this article as a response to Western criticism? Burrobert (talk) 08:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not unless it gets mentioned by a third party, you know how this works.  Horse Eye's Back (talk) 13:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know how some things work. But just to be sure we are on the same wavelength, what are you referring to? Burrobert (talk) 14:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Is it relevant to this article as a response to Western criticism" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll try to be clearer: what policy you are referring to. Burrobert (talk) 15:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Both policy and guideline WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, there might be a few others... Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  That isn't very helpful. Which parts are relevant to this case and why? Burrobert (talk) 15:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you are still confused I suggest the Wikipedia:Teahouse Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Does the TeaHouse have mind-meld powers that give it access to your thoughts? Burrobert (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

text:  it would be helpful if you could clarify which parts of those long policy/guideline pages you're referring to. In my view, the video is reliable for Yonden Lhatoo's opinion per WP:RSOPINION, but probably not for statements of fact. I don't think it's relevant to this article unless it mentions the Communist Party's Publicity Department, though. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I can see it being reliable for Yonden Lhatoo's opinion per WP:RSOPINION, but I can't see it being due anywhere other than Yonden Lhatoo which does not appear to exist yet. It could be relevant to the Communist Party's Publicity Department if a reliable third party links the two, but I haven't seen that. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I would say that criticism isn't relevant to this article either if it's not about the Publicity Department. We have a separate article about Freedom of the press in China. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 17:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree, without a specific link to the Publicity Department I don't think its relevant. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough. Perhaps, Yonden Lhatoo's piece would be more relevant to that article. The same would apply to comments about whether the "operational and reporting freedom" in China is going up or down, unless the comment specifically mentions the Publicity Department of the CCP. Burrobert (talk) 17:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Increasing freedom of the press.