Talk:Avaris

message: Where was this in Egypt? – Quadell (talk) (random) 19:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map needed

message: As Pi-Ramesses does not have it's own page it might be appropriate to include it's pronunciation here considering how it is pronounced doesn't even resemble how it looks like it should be. I have no idea how to do IPA so could someone else do it? It is pronounced Peer-a-mess. Wayne (talk) 04:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to whom? Cush (talk) 07:31, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the original Egyptian pronunciation is unknown it's the pronunciation used by Egyptologists. I've heard it used by many including Bietak and have never heard any other pronunciation. If I remember correctly the heiroglyph for Pi-Ramesses is Pr-ra-ms-s which could explain why this pronunciation is used. Wayne (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Peer-a-mess may well be the American chewing gum version of the name, but I doubt that it is any kind of proper pronunciation. · CUSH · 15:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the "American chewing gum version" as you call it is Pi-Ramses (Pi as in the Greek letter, or PIE).  The previous poster is correct.  European egyptologists (and maybe American ones as well) do indeed pronounce it Pyramess (Pyr being pronounced like pyramid) as above.  You can hear the pronunciation in Part one of "Lost Cities of the Ancients," which is available here; part one being "The Vanished City Of The Pharaoh,"  which is the story of the discovery of Pi-Ramses.  Please note this is a BBC series, with British and French Egyptologists speaking.  I don't think there are even Americans in it, but there might be.  The pronunciation is uniform throughout this documentary.  Rifter0x0000 (talk) 17:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Philistia did not exist as a province until the reign of Rameses III, it was Canaan, not PHilistia.  Canaan however was not much of a problem until after the Battle of Kadesh, when there was a brief revolt forcibly put down. John D. Croft (talk) 09:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anachronistic

message: Shouldn't there be a section about Avaris being the Hyksos capital and their primary military stronghold? Cush (talk) 14:04, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Should there not also be some mention of the work of Imanuel Velikovsky, re: this same subject?  I.e. Avaris!69.92.23.64 (talk) 20:21, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Velikovsky is pseudo-science. Same nutjob category as Erich von Däniken. ≡ CUSH ≡ 20:29, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Cush!  Since Wikipedia is touted as an "encyclopedia", then perhaps your "superior" attitude is not a trait deemed necessary for one who manages or supports such an effort?  Just perhaps you might well read the definition of the word "Encyclopedia?", such as the one found (easily) here?  http://www.thefreedictionary.com/encyclopedia  As far as I see, there is no determination to leave out information that  you and others have deemed as "pseudo-science!"  If you can tell me a good reason for doing so, while following the definition of the word "Encyclopedia" then I would well like to see it?  Very little regards for such an attitude!69.92.23.64 (talk) 23:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Velikovsky's claims have been scientifically debunked, and the remaining adherents now represent a fringe position that has no standing among archaeologists and historians whatsoever. Velikovsky's stuff clearly lacks notability and confirmation by reliable sources. "Encyclopedia" does NOT mean inclusion of random information. ≡ CUSH ≡ 14:16, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a distinction between believing his Astronomical claims and his views on Ancient Chronology.  His Arguments on Egyptology still stand up in the bias pillars but I disagree with many details.  Alternate theories should be acknowledged as long as their specified as alternate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.176.92 (talk) 15:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyksos capital 

message: If you can get hold of it (I had to pay not being associated with any institution) this article has important things to say about Avaris, Bietak and the dates of the Hyksos.  It's at onlinelibrary.wiley.com if you don't have Archaeometry magazine in an accessible university library.
Manning, S.W., and B. Kromer, “Radiocarbon Dating Archaeological Samples In The Eastern Mediterranean, 1730 To 1480 Bc: Further Exploring The Atmospheric Radiocarbon Calibration Record And The Archaeological Implications”, Archaeometry, Vol. 53, Issue 2, pp. 413-439, 
April 2011.  
4.248.218.228 (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Radiocarbon date report on Avaris: Bietak's stratigraphy is now questioned. 
http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780199935413.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780199935413-e-64
100.15.117.207 (talk) 19:24, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  important info 

message: In [Overview] the following is written:
"Towards the end of the Seventeenth dynasty, Kamose, the last king of the Seventeenth Dynasty, besieged Avaris, but could not dislodge the Hyksos, who were finally expelled some 18 years later (c. 1550 BC) by Ahmose I, the founder of the Eighteenth Dynasty"
In Kamose I's page his reign is given as c. 1555–1550 BC, when he died.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamose
However for Ahmose I his reign is c. 1539–1514 BC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmose_I
The gap 1550-1539 BC (of 11 years) shows that either the reign dates or the explusion date ~1550 BC and period of 18 years are wrong.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.89.230.136 (talk) 09:35, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in dates 

message: The current article includes the following statement:
It was occupied from about 1783 to 1550 BC, or from the Thirteenth Dynasty of Egypt through the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt until its destruction by Ahmose I, the first Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty. 
Can someone provide a citation for the destruction of Avaris? Not a citation for the siege of Avaris, or the fall of the Hyksos dynasty, but a citation for the destruction of the city itself? (I decided not to place a Citation Needed on the article because I don't want to debate whatever citation is provided.)
I believe this is an error, as I understand it, it was not destroyed, but occupied by the Thebians, and continued to be occupied until Pi-Ramesses was built.
208.98.223.41 (talk) 21:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Our Hyksos article says "However, excavations of Tell El-Dab'a (Avaris) show no widespread destruction of the city, which instead seems to have been abandoned by the Hyksos." with a source, and Marc Van de Mieroop says that "Despite Ahmose son of Ibana's claim that Avaris was sacked, archaeological work on the site shows no destruction except in the citadel. The town may have been abandoned". P. 160. Doug Weller talk 14:58, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And we both missed the fact that the actual body of the article says "Avaris was largely abandoned, its former citadel becoming the site first of enormous storage facilities". So I fixed the lead. Doug Weller talk 15:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Hi User:Coldcall. Interesting question, but new users often think these pages are here to discuss the subject of the article in the way a web forum would, but that's not the case. This page is just for discussing improvements to the article. See Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Doug Weller talk 14:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avaris Destroyed? 

message: As the identification of Avaris with Tell El-Dab'a is now generally accepted, I suggest that we do not need two separate articles, there is a good deal of overlap between them. PatGallacher (talk) 17:09, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would not merge those articles. At Tell El-Dab'a there are early Middle Kingdom remains (we do not know the Ancient name) and later it became part of Pi-Ramesses. There is also a huge Late Period town on the site. Avaris and Tell El-Dab'a are not strictly identical.Udimu (talk) 08:09, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal