Talk:Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam

message: : The Stedelijk had been temporarily relocated from its old Museumplein venue to the Oosterdokskade 3–5, just east of the Central Station.
Has or had? The website for the museum seems to suggest it's not opening at Museumplein till 2009. So is the first para of this article wrong?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.207.242.163 (talk) 14:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  So where is it right now? 

message: After reading the article I was under the impression that a large part of the article was written by someone from the museum. Looks like my assumption was correct. Parts are not very neutral and not source. This article needs some attention. Multichill (talk) 13:47, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, barely any of the sections have proper references, and several sections should be rewritten into a more encyclopedic style. – Editør (talk) 14:26, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I have removed some of the unsourced sections and I've added some clean-up templates. – Editør (talk) 13:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues 

message: -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:45, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hawthorne, Christopher (28 September 2012). "Review: Stedelijk Museum's 'bathtub' awash in awkwardness". Los Angeles Times. "It's getting from the city outside to the artwork that's the problem, since it requires not only confronting the antiseptic enormity of the bathtub but also the awkward manner in which the new wing relates to the Museumplein."
Eas295 (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: Hi Cornell folks working on this article. It might be a good idea to start putting in content and editing the article, because the assignment is due on Thursday. Please remember to be logged in to Wikipedia when making edits, so that the teaching staff evaluating your work can attribute the contributions to you.  LeshedInstructor (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the reminder. We have been working on a Word doc to further compile and refine information (I am increasingly getting more comfortable posting on the article page). We plan on adding more and more content to the article page today. I have already begun editing the existing content, mainly for neutrality purposes. I am having a hard time adding citations to this existing content though, and I cannot seem to track down the user who originally contributed this. Additionally, I have checked out some books from the Fine Arts library and retrieved some content from them. Eas295 (talk) 13:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can't source the existing content and it has no obvious citation, common practice is to either delete it or to move it to the talk page for discussion. (This is why I prefer to source every sentence, otherwise if someone adds a sentence to the middle of a paragraph, it would seem to be covered by the footnote at the end of the paragraph.) And a suggestion: try editing in short bursts so that others can read your changes ("diffs") in the page history neatly. When paragraphs are moved around, there's no easy way to tell how much content was altered from its original position. czar ♔ 22:06, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Again, thank you SO much for this feedback; you are extremely helpful! I will make sure to make small edits from here on out. Most of the major changes are from this very insightful book that I am reading. In this case, is it OK to just put one citation at the end of the paragraph? I am also trying to find sources for some of the pre-existing content, which is easier said than done. Eas295 (talk) 22:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's totally okay to footnote only at the end of a paragraph, but as I mentioned, it creates some issues later down the line. Yes, sourcing the unsourced is a great pain, but only imagine how non-editors unfamiliar with how WP works would try to do the same thing, if they even try. Your work cleaning up this article will be read by more people in a day than all of your college papers will (most likely) be read ever. It's worth the time to make it your best work. czar ♔ 00:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Course assignment 

message: I would greatly appreciate it if all interested parties would take a look at the information I have been adding on the article page, specifically in the History section. I have checked out an awesome book from the Cornell University Fine Arts library which gives extensive information about the Stedelijk's history. Specifically, I would love some feedback on organization. As I add more content, I am worried that the History section, mainly the 20th century section, is becoming longwinded and could be better segmented. Any suggestions? Also, I am a bit confused how to reference the same source multiple times throughout. I tried coding with , but it is still showing up as an error. I will continue adding and revising content, so stay tuned and comment away! Thanks a bunch. 
Eas295 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I don't have the book, I can't verify the details, but I can offer stylistic advice. With the "ref name", the issue is the slash. Only add the slash after the ref's first usage. For example, I'm about to move your repeated ref to the bottom of the page (list-defined refs) and then only use the slash format to reference it throughout the article. Also use en dashes instead of hyphens for ranges (esp. page ranges). czar ♔ 21:46, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Also the footnotes go outside the closing punctuation (I mentioned this above with an example). czar ♔ 21:48, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you have many refs coming from that page range, you may want to try using  short footnotes to name the specific pages for the reference without creating a lot of work. If you want to give it a go, I'll help clean up if you have trouble. czar ♔ 21:55, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you!! I will work on cleaning this up. Eas295 (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There appears to be a broken link (labeled [2]) in the second paragraph of the 21st Century section.  I couldn't fix it because I'm not sure which source it's referencing; can the person who posted that please fix your syntax? --IchiniSanti (talk) 04:01, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

text: Czar--Thank you for sharing this article on Mike Kelley. I am adding a bit to the article about the cost of the renovation, but I don't think I'll mention the show of Kelley's work just because I think it's getting too specific. Is there anything else from this article in the WSJ that you think is applicable? Eas295 (talk) 15:27, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see, I am still having trouble with referencing the same source multiple times. I am trying to reference the WSJ article twice. I tried to mimic what you did with the book reference that I included, but I am obviously missing something... Eas295 (talk) 15:50, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added the WSJ article. Take a look at my diff in the page history to see exactly how it works. It doesn't necessarily need anything more than a short mention, if even that. (Also remember that you can sign your comment on the same line so it appears at the end of your comment instead of on a new line.) → czar ♔ 21:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Review the Added/Edited Content on Article Page 

message: thumb|The enclosed escalator inside the Stedelijk leads upward from the ground floor of the new wing. The escalator running between the lower level and the second floor is enclosed to allow visitors to enjoy exhibitions without distractions.
I just heard back from Michiel Nijhoff who is head of library and collection registration over at the Stedelijk. He has given me permission to use a personal photo that I took in October 2012 of the interior, specifically of the enclosed escalator leading upward from the ground floor of the new wing. According to the Stedelijk website, the escalator running between the lower level and the second floor is enclosed to allow visitors to "enjoy exhibitions without distractions". 
The current article page already has some nice photos of the exterior, but nothing from inside. Because showing photos of actual artwork or pieces would infringe on copyright, I think the best thing is to simply show this piece of interior architecture. I am uploading it to the Commons now, and will post shortly with an appropriate caption. 
Eas295 (talk) 13:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please forward the permission with a link to the file per the instructions at commons:OTRS (which documents the approval for posterity). If the works included are in the public domain or of extremely minimal use, their inclusion is fine. Post a link to the image and I can help you with its copyright. czar ♔ 14:24, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is the photo. I just uploaded it to the Commons. Do you think I should brighten it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eas295 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This caption is a bit long, but the one in the article is fine. I know it takes a lot of effort to get things approved and uploaded, but I'm not sure this image contributes enough to the article. The escalator isn't mentioned in the article other than in the caption and it seems relatively peripheral to the article's scope. If the escalator is as important as other elevators in the museum and there is little secondary source coverage on it, I would consider leaving it out. (Though it can stay here on the talk page for posterity, of course.) Also I'm not sure that you need outside permission for photos like this that don't contain copyrighted elements. czar ♔ 23:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Permission to Use Photos 

message: I am going to add in this additional information from the Stedelijk Collection Reflections book (I know I have used this source a bunch--is that alright?)
Information about renovations of interior:
In 1934, Baard turned the loggia above the museum's main entrance into an exhibition space and had several galleries repainted in light colors. When Röell took over in 1936, he changed the gallery wall coverings and doorways. Röell had the polychrome staircase whitewashed in 1938. and replaced the yellow glass in the skylight with lime-washed glass. 
Conflict & Criticism:
De Wilde was faced with generational conflicts, protest movements, and a call for democratization. Critics accused De Wilde of paying too much heed to the international, 'capitalist' gallery establishment. The Beroepsvereniging van Beeldend Kunstenaars (BBK), a left-wing artists' association, demanded local artist and the general public participation in museum policymaking. On 16 January 1970, the BBK disrupted a Claes Oldenburg exhibition's opening and occupied the museum. The protestors were evicted by the police the next day. Years later, the left-wing liberal councillor E. van Antwerpen proposed a resolution that condemned De Wilde's purchasing and collecting policy, which did not pass. 
Any suggestions on reorganization? The history sections are getting really dense... Eas295 (talk) 16:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See diff for changes. This info may be a little too specific. It would be fine to say that he "upgraded the galleries" if it covers what we need to know. "Democratization" means a whole lot of things—specify. Also avoid starting each sentence with "in year comma" and vary the sentence structure. It's fine to keep using this source as long as it's reliable and footnoted in the article. Good work czar ♔ 23:44, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional content from Stedelijk Collection Reflections 

message: As I mentioned, I have been talking with Michiel Nijhoff, who is the head of library & collection registration over at the Stedelijk. He is "looking forward to the updated page". In addition to approval on a photo, I have asked him to check out the work we have been doing on this article and to provide us with some feedback. I will keep you updated, but if you have any specific questions that you want me to direct to him, please let me know. I really appreciate the help on this! Hopefully we can move this article up from C-class! 
Eas295 (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback from Museum Staff 

message: A few tips from what I've observed in recent edits:
* Remember to sign your comments with four tildes (~) after your talk page comments (usually on the same line)
* Put footnotes outside punctuation.[here]
* Section headings (and article titles, for that matter) are not in title case unless proper nouns (see my recent edit)
* Avoid In 199X, constructions and vary sentence structure
* Omit needless words (where possible)
Suggestions:
* Turn director list into prose, add to history, if even relevant to have at all
* Add visitor information into an "Overview" section before the history to describe the museum and its basic features
* Expand the lead/lede (first paragraphs) to serve as an overview (different kind of overview) of the entire article. It should paraphrase the main aspects of the article and doesn't need to be sourced if the corresponding info in the article is sourced.
* Merge Visual identity section into other sections (old identity into the history, if necessary to have at all, and new identity into the remodeling section)
* Once the article is fully polished, would you be interested in taking it to good article status?
czar ♔ 21:46, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

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