Talk:Xerxes I/Archive 1

message: I deleted  afew sentences that did not have any reference or citation.
Lordpezhman 12:11, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing later years

message: How would Khshayarsha or Khsha-yar-shan correspond phonologically with the Hebrew אחשורש Aḥashverosh ? Thanks! Meursault2004 13:57, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Xerxes and Ahasueros

message: An spoild, foolish, idle King of a huge empire world never seen before. unlike his father Dareios the great he was unwise and inexperianced kid. he was described as handsomest man of all times. Generious and kind but short-lasting-temper, regreting his anger immidiately by adressing him self as a kind King and "I am kind , I shall be kind". Interesting complexion: imagine being born in a court where almost whole known world is united under one King. Xerxes was brought up under such sircomstance, a prince and son to worlds mightiest man history ever seen! What ever he wished in the firm was ready and prepared. surrounded by 1000s of staff only observing him grow up to take over the empire. Strange, Dareios the great would be so wise in every feild but failed to prevent weaknesses that his crown prince might face as a future king of empire? Dareios him self have survived lots of intrigues and plots.(UTC)
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Being famous as the handsomest man of all times Xerxes had to deal with constant intrigues as well as mysterious incidances through out the empire.(UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.212.121.177 (talk) 18:22, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
"King of Babel?" Is this history or is this My Big Bible Coloring Book? I changed the references to Babylon of course. Let's raise the standard a little here. --Wetman 21:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Babel was the real name for Babylon, though... Brutannica 05:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Real"! I'm reading that Akkadian bab-iluš means "Gate of God", translating Sumerian Kadingirra. But all I know is what I read. --Wetman 15:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe it depends on how we are tought and what language is our mother toung. I was taught in highschool that Babel is correct. -Mohseng 14:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Handsommest of all times

message: can someone who knows what they're doing clean up the top - cheers Danlibbo 09:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEED SOMEONE WITH MAD LAYOUT SKILLS! 

message: The articles on Xerxes and Darius each have pictures of the very same relief from Persepolis, (note the damage) and each article attributes the portrait to its eponymous king.  Is it a relief of Xerxes?  Of Darius?  Is this question disputed?  In any case, the image from the article on Darius is of much better quality, so it should be used once we've established a reasonable caption.  75.71.66.105 21:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: you're right. this is not the picture of Xerxes, but it's HIS FATHER'S(Darius') picture. he is standing behind his father's throne and this is their full picture.
and this is his picture
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/images/xerxes_darius_pharnaces.jpg
http://www.livius.org/a/iran/persepolis/apadana-northstairs-relief/proskynesis07-prince_s.JPG
sorry, I don't know how to put pics in wikipedia, can somebody help me? thanx in advanceLordpezhman 21:14, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion here. Amizzoni 00:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One Relief, Two Kings

message: I was just reading the article and noticed some missing information under the Political Career section, but I can't imagine what information is missing so hopefully someone else can figure it out and fix it.  It's at the end of the secion and shows this:
[[Medes|Medi
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Eljaccjldc 13:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Career Section 

message: In this section, it reads -- regarding the film "300", "In the film, Xerxes makes a point of displaying his generosity, with a large part of his discourse emphasizing that he is "kind."  This is rather inaccurate.  Xerxes doesn't actually display generosity, he merely claims to be generous.  Big difference.  I've slightly modified the text to use this more circumspect position. Bricology 03:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xerxes in Popular Culture 

message: Jean-Louis Huot wrote an Encyclopedia Britannica article in which he states that in 486 BC, "Xerxes was about 35 years old and had already governed Babylonia for a dozen years."  I haven't been able to find any reference to this piece of trivia in other encyclopedias, any idea where Huot got it from?  If so, is it worth mentioning here?  jdbartlett (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Xerxes king in Babylon before Darius died?

message: As an ancient historian, I dispute this epithet being given to Xerxes and cannot recall it ever being used about him in the ancient or modern works relating to the Persian Empire. It is certainly applicable to his grandfather Cyrus, who founded the Persian Empire, but not to this man. I would therefore propose removing all references to him as "the Great". Simply being known as the "Great King", which the early Persian Kings were called, does not make him "great". bigpad 11:06, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a search for the phrase "Xerxes the great" but excluding "the Great King" phrase in Google Books returns about 700 results. It may not be common usage, but it is not unknown. Hornplease 16:24, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't make it correct though. If you want to say sth like "sometimes known as 'Xerxes the Great'," that's probably ok bigpad 23:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow I was just about to start a section on this but bigpad beat me to it. No matter what ancient Persians, Greeks and Germans called him, what matters here is what modern English-speakers call him. "Xerxes the Great" apparently exists on the internet but it has significantly limited use and shouldn't be preferred over plain Xerxes I. Yet some editors insist on using the former when linking to this article. Miskin 13:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Great?

message: I'm confused why this sentence is in the article.  Not only does it adopt an argumentative point of view towards unnamed historians, but it directly contradicts the article that it links to, which espouses the commonly held view that Salamis was one of the most pivotal battles in world history. Xerxes withdrew personally with much of his army after this defeat and left the conquest of Greece to his subordinate. The defeat at Plataea could not have occurred without this victory.
(The Battle of Salamis (September 29, 480 BC) was won by the Greek fleet. Although the loss was a setback, it was not a disaster as some Greek historians have claimed, and Xerxes set up a winter camp in Thessaly.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khadgar1337 (talk • contribs) 06:51, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salamis 

message: Under "Invasion of the Greek mainland" it is suggested that Xerxes wishes to punish amongst others the Ethiopians. I think someone has confused Eretria and Eritrea here, the people involved were the Eretrians. See Herodotus' Histories, Book 6, chapter 43.
Regards,
Teun, 82.169.201.114 (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethiopians? 

message: does this stub make any sense, is it even true?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:39, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Artaynte]]

message: "After Thermopylae, Athens was captured and the Athenians and Spartans were driven back to their last line of defense at the Isthmus of Corinth and in the Saronic Gulf. The delay caused by the Spartans allowed Athens to be evacuated."
At best this statement is highly debatable; I'd say it was flat out incorrect.  Heroic and inspiring as it was, the Spartan's delay at Thermopylae is not generally considered to have been strategically important (see the page on Thermopylae for the full analysis).  The Persians were still some distance away from Athens and were not going terribly fast, so 3 days did not make the difference that allowed the evacuation of the city.  If someone has sources that say otherwise, please cite for this particular section. The Cap'n (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify Actual Ramification of Thermopylae 

message: This phrase in the first sentence feels awkward and pretentious.  It also feels wrong in that it may not be culturally appropriate.  My sense is that the color purple was symbolic of royalty in Europe, but I have doubts as to whether this was true to the Persians at this time period (if ever).  Seems like the article is using European/Western culture to describe Persian culture as if there is some kind of common bond between them.  In any case, the phrase creates distance between the reader and the article and serves no constructive purpose.Jonny Quick (talk) 04:29, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the phrase "Born in the Purple" appropriate? 

message: In section 2.2 Thermopylae and Athens, the claim is made that it was equally likely the Athenians burned athens than it was the persians. The source is "persian scholars" but no citation is given. Can someone clarify where this information came from? I think it is reasonable, but I would love a source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke643 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are the sources for the discussion of the Athens fire? 

message: The second paragraph of the Youth and rise to power section, beginning "Artabazanes claimed the crown as the eldest of all the children," directly contradicts the third paragraph, which states "Xerxes was crowned and succeeded his father in October–December 486 BC[7] when he was about 36 years old.[3] The transition of power to Xerxes was smooth...."
The Artabazanes linked to in the second paragraph ruled in 221 BCE, according to his Wikipedia article, while Xerxes I's reign began in 486 BCE, according to this article.
The first source in the second paragraph, [5] What Do I Know About Iran No. 75, by Reza Shabani does exist but I can't find an English copy I am able to access after a cursory search (I don't have a strong interest in this article, this was just an obvious error). The second source, [6] Olmstead: the history of Persian empire, is not listed in the Bibliography and when I click on the hyperlink simply brings me back to this article.
I'm pointing all this out so that someone with more time/motivation/access/expertise than I can check up on these sources, remove the second paragraph if they don't pan out, or re-word the second and/or third paragraphs if they do.
65.33.41.171 (talk) 04:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem in "Youth and rise to power" section 

message: this is a very false and icorrect article do not use in any form this will get you a very bad grade if u use this in a report and to prove it scroll to the bottom of the page you will notice it says he was born in 465 B.C. The correct birth date of xerxes was in 520 B.C big difference right? this article is very faulty and misprinted  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.252.54.145 (talk) 02:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you will find that there is no contradiction at all my friend.  The article never claimed that he was born in 465, but rather that he died in that year.  --Avanduyn (talk) 23:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

text: ok, I found. According to Herodotus (7.2.2) Xerxes was born in the early part of the reign of Darius, his father.Andrejanna (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on Birth Year of Xerxes I 

message: A new user was edit warring over the naming here. Per discussions at talk:Darius I, both that article and this one should use the naming "Xerxes I" and not "Xerxes the Great".  I'm not seeing anywhere that indicates that consensus has changed, so I believe that  needs to be undone. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:16, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name "Xerxes I" or "Xerxes the Great" 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Xerxes I's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "books.google.nl":
From Achaemenid Empire: Joseph Roisman,Ian Worthington A Companion to Ancient Macedonia. pp. 342-345. John Wiley & Sons, 7 jul. 2011 
From Iran: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 13:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Xerxes I]] 

message: The data box at the top should list the official queen Amestris, not Esther, unless there's hard evidence that he had a queen other than Amestris.  The Esther identification is not supported within the article by current archaeological data, only by "yestercentury" material which may be speculative or overturned by modern research.  
108.18.136.147 (talk) 12:13, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad data 

message: Hi;
I was interested in learning more about Xerxes, but upon reading the first paragraph I noticed the following error:
He ruled from 486 BC until his assassination in 465 BC....indicating that he had died 20 years before he ruled. I don't want to correct, since I don't know the true dates.
Thanks  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.250.121.138 (talk) 17:10, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No, BC(E) dates count down to 1, then the counting starts again with 1 CE. It's right. Doug Weller talk 17:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in the content 

message: These parts seem like OR to me, and I´m thinking of cutting them, unless they can be reliably sourced. I´m not saying they aren´t to some extent correct, but IMO they can´t be stated in WP:s voice like this.
*Later generations' fascination with ancient Sparta, and particularly the Battle of Thermopylae, has led to Xerxes' portrayal in works of popular culture, although more often than not in a negative light, often portraying him as ranging from unsympathetic to megalomaniacal. This can be blamed largely on the fact that most sources from the period are of Greek origin. The authors of these sources generally demonize Xerxes in a manner that is reflected in more modern works.
*(a blatant historical inaccuracy as regards Zoroastrianism). 
Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:31, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they are uncited rather than OR. They might be npov. The source which would be useful for improving this section would be Bridges, Emma, Imagining Xerxes : ancient perspectives on a Persian king (2015, London : Bloomsbury) Furius (talk) 11:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, perhaps someone with access to that source could help. I´m removing the second point for now, it´s not like '300' is a documentary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:23, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:OR]] in the Cultural depictions section 

message: Hate to revive discussion on this topic, since I was very happy with the conclusions reached last time it was discussed, but User:Prinsgezinde has removed the Hebrew name and I'd be pretty keen to see it restored. Prinsgezinde's justification was that the first sentance was getting too long, which is fair. My counter-argument would be that the prominence of the name in the Bible justifies its presence in the lead. Furius (talk) 13:01, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Furius: Hmm, my mistake for not reading the talk page. I had no idea it had been discussed before and hadn't considered his place in the Bible. Thanks for opening a discussion over it though (and notifying me). I have no problem with you reinstating it if you feel it deserves to be there. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 14:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names in the lead 

message: Is there a source for the name in hieroglyphs? Furius (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Jürgen von Beckerath (1999), Handbuch der ägyptischen Königsnamen, Mainz am Rhein: von Zabern. , pp. 220–21. Khruner (talk) 21:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hieroglyphs 

message: In this article, there is a photo of a rock relief supposedly of Xerxes I (i.e. who reigned 486–465 BC). However, the article Artaxerxes I of Persia has a different photograph, but clearly of the same rock relief, and claims that it is Artaxerxes I (i.e. who reigned 465–424 BC). Anyone know which one is correct? --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 20:58, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The image :File:Xerxes Image.png has a link to here with supporting evidence that it is attributed to Xerxes I, whereas the image :File:Xerxes I of Persia (2).jpg does not give any explanation. However, the English Wikipedia article on Xerxes I is the only one to use the image, whereas most of the Artaxerxes I articles in other Wikipedia's use the image for him, but not for Xerxes. The French Wiki claims the tomb with the image belongs to Artaxerxes I. I'm going to do more digging and I'll let you know what I find. I think it basically boils down to who the tomb belongs to, and it might just not be known who it is. Psychotic Spartan   20:24, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   Have you found anything? If it is not known who the tomb belongs to, then we should probably not use this image on either page. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 20:23, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  With this picture of Naqsh-e Rustam and the notion from the Naqsh-e Rustam article that the order of the four tombs from left to right is: Darius II, Artaxerxes I, Darius I and Xerxes I, by comparing the rock pattern I believe that both pictures represent Xerxes I. Sadly, it appears that this shabby picture is all we have about Artaxerxes I. Furthermore, of the four tombs in Naqsh-e Rustam, only the one of Darius I is securely attributable to him. Khruner (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks! That's definitely progress. It would be nice to verify this with a reliable source. --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 20:06, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about the Iranica, here? Search for "On Tomb II, which is ascribed to Xerxes" with link to figure 5. Khruner (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:   That works for me. Shall we say this is resolved? --- Wikitiki89 (talk) - 21:22, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess so. Khruner (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction: [[Artaxerxes I of Persia]] uses a different photograph of the same rock relief 

message: The picture of the carving of Xerxes in this article looks virtually identical to the carving of Artaxerxes III. Both images are cropped from a larger picture of a tomb carving, both of which also look identical: Artaxerxes I vs. Xerxes I. Note that I've also raised this issue on the Artaxerxes III talk page. Spirit of Eagle (talk)
: No, these two images are different - look at the pattern of smashing on the two fire altars and on the coils of the left leg of the throne. Furius (talk) 10:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Another possible duplicate picture

message: I can't figure out why the Hyroglyphs image is duplicated, or, more to the point, why no one has noticed. I can't delete the dupe because I'm not an admin, but can someone please do something about it? I checked and dupe images meet the Criteria for Speedy Deletion.
TheAppleAuthority (talk) 10:01, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dupelicate images 

message: Both this article and Darius I list their respective kings as the 4th in the Achaemenid Empire. I suspect this has to do with conflict on Wikipedia over whether or not Bardiya should be counted, but I thought I'd bring it up in case it could be resolved. Given that Bardiya's wikipedia page indicates that someone by that name ruled the Achaemenid Empire for seven months, I'd suggest that we change this article to say 5th King of Kings, under the logic that whether it was Bardiya or Gaumata claiming to be Bardiya, there was still another Achaemenid ruler between Cambyses II and Darius I.   --2601:85:4500:2F22:1923:222F:F538:5F8F (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is the Real Fourth?

message: Georg Büchmann traces the idea to a speech in Herodotus' Histories made by Xerxes I of Persia before invading Greece:[1] γῆν τὴν Περσίδα ἀποδέξομεν τῷ Διὸς αἰθέρι ὁμουρέουσαν. οὐ γὰρ δὴ χώρην γε οὐδεμίαν κατόψεται ἥλιος ὅμουρον ἐοῦσαν τῇ ἡμετέρῃ[2] ("we shall extend the Persian territory as far as God's heaven reaches. The sun will then shine on no land beyond our borders")[3]
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_empire_on_which_the_sun_never_sets
Please add the above to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.99.30.61 (talk) 08:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The empire on which the sun never sets

message: In this article, it is mentioned that the story of Esther is widely considered fictitious. This story is a vital part of the Jewish religion and calling it fiction is the same as calling the bible or the Quran fiction. IEditedYourPage (talk) 13:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it was the constant alteration of this (sourced) information that made the article get protected in the first place. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Not done: Bible and Quran are largely fictitious and statement you contest is well sourced. Melmann 20:46, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2021