Talk:Heroes (American TV series)/Archive 5

message: According to the Japanese wikipedia page, Heroes will be released there as DVDs from Universal later in 2007.
The section is becoming very large and very ugly, surely we can do something about this? It may be better if we listified instead with columns (without the "Weekly schedule" as Wikipedia isn't a TV guide), this would probably look neater, but doesn't refute the question of: Do we need it? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 18:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Int. Broadcasters 

message: As most Global TV viewers know by know,heroes is know airing Sundays in canada a day ahead of the american broadcast.some people decided to put spoiler warnings in the next episode to not write about the plot untill it airs in the US,but that seems biased to me.Is it fair to leave it blank just because it hasnt aired yet somewhere else?192.30.202.18 19:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter if it hasn't aired in America, if it airs elsewhere first then that country is the original airdate and a plot may be put into the article. Systemic bias is what it's called. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the people don't want to see the information before the episode airs, they have the option not to read it.  Wikipedia is not censored in any way, including spoilers. Put it in, if you've seen it.  PureSoldier 03:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it doesn't stop people in the US posting spoilers when it hasn't shown elsewhere yet. I say its fair game. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.143.47.209 (talk) 11:23, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ditto Saskatchewan. Unless it's changed... Trekphiler 02:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroes In Canada 

message: I've just confirmed that the next episode of Heroes will also air on Sunday on Global TV[]in addtiion to last nights[],so we can now say that it will continue airing before the US so the airdates are all in fact earlier now.64.228.70.208 20:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or should be list airdates as they relate to a region? -- (Mrja84 20:39, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Global has 5 hours of programming that is normally scheduled to air in the Monday prime-time block (typically 3 hours long), the network has moved shows around on a regional basis. Most of the Eastern affiliates show Heroes on Sunday, while Western affiliates show The Black Donnelly's on Sunday. The stations that show Heroes on Sunday show The Black Donnelly's on Monday, and vice-versa. -- (bestlurker 5:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroes airdates 

message: The section states that there was an edited version released. In what way was it edited? Did they remove the scene, digitally remove the brand name or something else? EvilCouch 10:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emerson lawsuit 

message: :I would like to discuss exactly what the Plot section should entail. Yes there are a lot of events going on within the episodes, but I believe the Plot Summary should be about what's going on currently and what the overall plot of Heroes (the series) is. -- (Mrja84 20:41, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then look up the episode that you missed, not the Plot Summary of the Main Page. -- (Mrja84 14:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The plot summary on the main page should describe the main themes of the entire series in about a word of 500-1000. There are episode specific articles if you need to know more. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Golfnut's two recent edits were removed - nothing personal, just that the note about the Haitian's pendant was already in the list, and the note about Simone is speculation. As discussed previously here and elsewhere on Wikipedia, trailers and preview clips aren't a reliable source of what will actually happen in upcoming episodes. Events are often cut up, shown out of sequence and out of context, and manipulated for promotional purposes. The scene with Simone could well be one of Peter's visions, for all we know. --Ckatzchatspy 21:12, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the scene with Simone, it could've been Issac having a nightmare or dream from the guilt. We don't know that that's why I removed it. People need to be patience and respecting to what we've already done -- (Mrja84 16:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golfnut's edits 

message: Does any one think we should put in an artcle about "The Company"?- Red siderman 3/1
:Are you referring to Primatech? Valaqil 15:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have noticed with interest that the various fansites were calling it AWI or OWI (Agency or Organization Without Initials). After company man, and in view of the international scope of the Company I think we can agree it should be OWI as it is clear now that it is non-governmental, although it may be operating under government knowledge and sanction. --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 17:29, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the characters themselves called it "the Company". - SigmaEpsilon ? ΣΕ 20:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Until we know the true name, it's called "the Company". dposse 13:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That's gonna be difficult to do, considering how little we know. dposse 20:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Company 

message: In quite a few entries and articles, for Thompson, Primatech and others, there is little distiction between Primatech (the front company who Mr. Bennet is employed by and poses as his legit job) and "the Company" (the covert organization who monitors, regulates and control the "special people."  I feel there should be a greater disticintion made between the two. Currently, the only confirmed employ of both Primatech and "the Company" is Bennett, others are listed as members of Primatech, but there is no evidence on screen or otherwise that they are paper company employees (Eden, The Haitian, Candice, Thompson).  The same argument would say everyone who works for Air America also works for the CIA, and vice versa.  Front organizations do not equal their parent group.  I feel as editors we need to start to make a distiction between the members of Primatech (whom Bennett is the only confirmed member) and it's parent organization (whom Thompson, Kaito, Eden, the Haitian, Candice, Claude (formerly), Hank and Lisa are members).  The same could also be said for the above ground building and its lower levels, as well. 66.109.248.114 03:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's gonna be difficult to do, considering how little we know. dposse 20:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: THE COMPANY V. Primatech

message: I'd like to expand the writing information of the Production Notes to include the Japanese scenes.  If I recall correctly, critics have applauded the show for having scenes in Japanese with English subtitles.  I've found sources about Oka and Takei translating their scripts from English to Japanese.  (Oka: Super Hiro: Japanese nerd is hit of ‘Heroes’, Takei: JAPANESE AMERICAN SPLENDOR: TAKEI TALKS “HEROES”).  The problem is I can't find sources about critic's approval or disapproval about the language usage now.  Anyone got a source for me? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 23:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production Notes:  Japanese scenes 

message: i think niki might be a medium ,able to have ghost take over her (like in the Sixth sense), so it would be jessica withe the superstrenght, but died and some how got transfered to niki this also might explain the RNA symbol that appears when jessica is in control- Red spiderman 3/4 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.129.44 (talk) 01:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, what? RNA symbol? 72.1.206.17 16:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: redspiderman, instead of typing your name at the end of a comment, just put 4 tilde's (~)it will auto-sign you.  Sumnjim 13:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Niki vs. Jessica 

message: Shouldn't sylar be one of the main characters? i mean he is the one of the main villian- Red spiderman 3/5
:Sylar is a recurring character, but not a "main" character. There is a list of main characters, and Sylar is not on it. He's definitely a villian, but powerful =/= plot-centric. Valaqil 17:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with this.  I don't think it's reasonable to call Simone a "main character" when she really isn't the centre of a particular plotline.  She's more a recurring part of Isaac/Peter's stories, but, at least at this point, doesn't seem central to any part of the overall tale.  Sylar certainly is, even if we have seen his actions explicitly only recently - he killed Mohinder's father, bringing him to America and is now the major focus of the doctor's actions.  He was a major part of many heroes lives even before the viewer met him, e.g. his hunting other supers is what brought Matt Parkman into the limelight and is a major contributing factor to the whole situation between Claire and her father.  Not only this, but he has an agenda, backstory and presence all his own that Simone certainly doesn't have (at least at this point in the series), and is currently at the nexus of Peter and Mohinder's journies and is the key focus of Episode 18's cliffhanger.  To say that he's not a main character while including Simone just seems silly to me.  -Cinderelephant 10-03-07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.237.149 (talk) 16:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In TV (at least American TV; I won't speak for other countries) a "main character" is one played regularly by an actor whose name appears in the opening credits.  In other words, it's the producers who determine who the "regulars" are.  Tawny Cypress (Simone) was listed as a regular in the show's cast, but Zachary Quinto (Sylar) continues to be listed as a guest actor. BobGreenwade 17:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: BobGreenwade has it right. Whether we agree or not, Zachary Quinto is, and remains to be called, a guest star. Check out TV Guide's listing of the cast. Tawny Cypress is "Heroes Cast" and Zachary Q is "Heroes Guest Cast". Check out NBC's cast page. Simone has a profile, and Sylar does not. It's the same everywhere. *shrug* We're not here to question reasoning, but to report facts. Valaqil 19:56, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then, that's cool.  I didn't realise "Main Character" had a specific definition :). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.237.149 (talk) 06:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylar 

message: Heroes Project? How come I haven't heard about this? Nocarsgo 00:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was started back in Janurary. I'm sorry you didn't see it until now. dposse 20:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heores Project 

message: Just a question, why? It kinda sucks that we have to wait til' April 23rd for the next episode... Argh, I'm addicted to this show now! So not fair :( Can anyone tell me why its been put on hold? Thanks. JJMan 22:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus even if they could keep going now, the season would be over first week in April (which people would also complain about) meaning they would miss May sweeps for the ratings.  --Milo H Minderbinder 13:03, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another plus: Even if they were continually filming as episodes aired and somehow stayed ahead of schedule, this heightens the hype via anticipation. Short bursts of high action, mystery, and plot with little breaks in between keeps excitement, and, thus, ratings high. Very smart from an business standpoint. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Valaqil (talk • contribs) 15:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No offense but this talk page is really for discussing the wikipedia article, not for show gossip.  tv.com has great show forums for this sorts talk if you're looking for a good place to go. Tarc 21:10, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like one of the banners at the top says: "This is a talk page for discussion of the article about Heroes (TV series). It is not for discussion about the program itself" --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 22:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Although I agree with TheDJ, this has been the only quick reference for me to get the exact date of the new episodes--Lostcause365 15:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Hiatus? 

message: Stan Lee is affiliated right?  Mathiastck 19:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no... -Xornok 19:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He made a cameo in one episode (Unexpected) but I'm not aware of any connection past that.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stan Lee 

message: I am wondering if anyone else feels that the main page is a bit bloated. Things like the Emerson Lawsuit need to be tidied and some of the info could be set up in linked separate pages. Just a thought, not trying to complain. I'd just like to see the best heroes source on the web hosted by Wikipedia.--Lostcause365 15:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroes Main Page 

message: Would anyone object to putting in a line about how the symbol is a nucleic acid strand and a wikilink to DNA or RNA?RogueNinja 22:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that a mere speculation? You need to prove that it's a fact in order to put it in the article. -- Lyverbe 11:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That bit was in the article before, however without any citation, it was deemed original research and chucked. EvilCouch 15:26, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Could we not get around the whole WP:OR thing with saying that "It resembles a strand of DNA/RNA?--Lostcause365 14:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really - it's still implying a connection that we cannot confirm without a suitable reference. However, there is a note at the Heroes Wiki article "The Symbol" which says that the symbol is called the "single helix" in the "Company Man" commentary. If someone could verify that statement, it might give us a starting point from which to craft something appropriate. --Ckatzchatspy 17:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: During the episode 17 commentary writer Brian Fuller refers to the symbol as "one of our little hidden half-helixes." - SigmaEpsilon ? ΣΕ 17:54, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I wasn't really thorough with my post, I meant say resembles and either show or link to a pic of DNA/RNA. Sorry if it seems like I'm riding a looped coaster, but judging from interviews and just general talk on the series, its widely agreed upon that the symbol is genetics related in the least.--Lostcause365 06:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately the major editors of this topic tend to be reactionary to the point of stasis. But get them proof of the obvious and it will probably stay... at least for a few weeks! ;) WookMuff 09:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol 

message: I read the article about Hiro Nakamura and Peter Petrelli.  I haven't read the others, but I feel they will have the same point I'd like to discuss.  These articles should talk about the characters, period.  From what I've read, they describe the entire friggin' show.  My point of view is, for example, that Peter's "Character History" section should not exists at all because it doesn't say much about Peter himself, but rather describe what happens in episodes.  We already have episode pages for that.
Does that mean that after every new show, about 10 pages will need to be updated to describe in detail what that specific character did in the episode? That's silly! -- Lyverbe 12:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character articles 

message: I was going through the history of this article and it seems like the part Kanji / Chinese characters (in the Symbol part) was changed quite a lot. I don't understand neither Chinese nor Japanese, so I can't decide it, but why are you so sure it's in Kanji? --Have a nice day. Running 23:43, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't involved in this dispute, but it seems to be that in the shows universe, the Kanji terms were used to define the symbol, but because the Kanji characters were borrowed from the Chinese, someone believes they should go down instead. Personally, if I have gotten the above view points correct, it should be the Kanji used, simply because they were used in universe, and are directly verifiable. Although the Chinese characters may have been the original characters, in this instance anyhow, I think it's best if we go by the show rather than what we think is right. Jacobshaven3 01:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sword is Japanese--the characters are kanji. If something is written in English, it is literally written with the Roman alphabet, but it still isn't considered Latin.--hypercritic 06:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, as I said, I don't know the differences and commons between Kanji and Chinese, but what hypercritic and EvilCouch below writes makes it pretty clear. (AND I'm a little bit smarter about kanji.) --Have a nice day. Running 12:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It was originally stated as Japanese characters, then changed to Chinese, to reflect that they're not originally Japanese character, but Chinese. Then I changed it to Kanji, as it accurately reflects that they're the character set used in Japan, that was borrowed from Chinese. It should be left as Kanji as it is the most correct way to refer to the characters in the context they're given. EvilCouch 08:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree. Borrowed from Chinese or not, they ARE characters used in Japanese. The sword is Japanese, as is the character translating it (Ando).--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Precisely so. The best analogy I can think of is that the English language is made up of words borrowed from many languages but that are part and parcel of English. If it was an English word on an English sword with a German rootword, being translated by an English person, you would not say it was German. WookMuff 22:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a moot point. Kanji are Japanese, without a doubt. Although the characters themselves--"ji"--come from a Chinese source, they aren't the same as the characters used in the contemporary Mandarin or Cantonese dialects. The people that post more contradictions should read-up on the difference between kanji and hanzi.--hypercritic 23:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm just like I said in my moot point analogy? German =/= english, hanzi =/= Kanji. WookMuff 01:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think so - they also made a lot of positive work on this article. --Have a nice day. Running 12:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbol Characters: hanzi (Chinese) / kanji (Japanese)? 

message: Take a look on nbc.com at Episode 13, ("Distractions"), part 2. I don't know if there is anything to this but I noticed some connections to "Jewish numbers" and I wanted to see if anyone else sees anything in this: Mohinder, who lives in apartment 613, which corresponds to the 613 Mitzvot in Judaism, mentions that his father found 36 people with hidden talents. In Jewish mysticism there are 36 people, lamedvavnikim, who have hidden talents and are the reason for earth's survival, acting as its superheroes. Is there anything we can research about the show's intentions or is this just a coincidence? Valley2city 19:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Humm...I wouldn't put in an article without some sourcing, but that is very interesting. It is pretty common for writers in this sort of show to use that kind of hidden message, either as hints of things to come or just for fun. Of course, there is also the possibility its just a coincidence.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You'd need sourcing to put it in, but it's probably on purpose, the writers keep hinting in interviews that there's a lot of spiritual history and mythology hidden in the series. Jacobshaven3 20:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed with the above. ThuranX 20:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Yeah, I completely agree with your assessments. I'd love to learn more about it. It seems a lot like Neil Gaiman's Sandman series in terms of its peppering in various mythical tidbits. Valley2city 21:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  Not that I want to be "that guy", but you'd have to be very careful about putting a religious spin on any article. Judaism can tend to be a very polarizing issue. I personally feel that if you can source the article, by all means put it in. Anything that adds to the mythos of Heroes is a positive addition IMHO. I've always felt that there was a very Brahman/Atman cadence to the episodes, but that's all it is, a feeling. After all, it's entertainment. There is such a thing as looking too deeply.Lostcause365 23:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Put it in. Along the way, you can mention the influence of Jews in Hollywood & in comics, including the suggestion I've heard Superman was (in effect) "Superjew" (special powers, but nobody recognizes him, even without a mask), including references to Jerry Siegel, Stan Lee (né Leiber), Selznick, et al.  Trekphiler 03:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The part about how many aspects of the Superman mythos is based upon aspects of Jewish heritage is well documented.  You left out how his real name, Kal-El, is a take off of the Hebrew language.  See also: Superman#Influences.  --Reverend Loki 17:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh, no. It sounds incredibly sarcastic, and yes, bigoted. And no, it doesn't belong in. Inference isn't implication. ThuranX 22:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps that kind of info doesn't belong, but Thuran is wrong. It didn't sound sarcastic or bigoted to me...but yes, I think this is notable enough to mention that 613, Mohinder's apartment number, shares similarity to Jewish beliefs that very much hold a similar theme to Heroes. Even if the writer's didn't intend this, it's a neat little easter egg. Specusci 12:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How does some random number of a apartment suddenly link to Jewish beliefs? How is this an easter egg if no one intended this to be true? No, this fails notability and sounds like someone's strange opinion or theory. dposse 20:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not attributable,however if thre was a citation for it, I'd include it. The writers have repeatedly said that they have included various religious themes and have used spiritua history before. Their choice of Uluru was on purpose, as well as the fact almost all the main characters have biblical names. So I'm sure the choice of room number and number on the list are intentional. However, without evidence you can't put it down. Though since the original posters already agreed with this, seems this post is like flogging a dead horse.Jacobshaven3 20:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh? Uluru? When I mentioned Uluru everyone beat me down... whats this about Uluru? WookMuff 09:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This bit of info is either an interesting easter egg, or an odd coincidence.  I think we can all agree that, without a citation, we won't know which, and in that case it doesn't belong in the article.  If there is a vaid source for this, then by all means, it belongs.  --Reverend Loki 17:25, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Jewish Connection? 

message: Someone added Niki in the list of those who have the scar and it was removed with the comment "Revert vandalism".  It looks a lot more like a mistake than vandalism.  Don't scare people who are only trying to help. -- Lyverbe 12:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what else are you going to do? Leave the mistake? I seriously doubt they were scared off...Specusci 12:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm talking about the comment of the fix, not the fix itself.  "Niki has the helix, not the scar" would have been enough.  A vandal is someone who does malicious acts to ruin/destroy something.  I wouldn't want to be called that if I just wanted to help out. -- Lyverbe 16:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, its important to assume good faith. An edit can be incorrect without being vandalism.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to emphasize this request. I have the Heroes page and talkpage in my watchlist and the stuff that flies by at times is seriously unrespectful. Please try and keep a cool head when editing the page. Not everyone is a wikipedian for years and years, not everyone watches the show as closely as a couple of people here, and not everyone is 20-25 years old. Take all that into account whenever you edit this page. It's just WP:CIVIL and Good Faith. --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 19:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  "An edit can be incorrect without being vandalism." Quoted for truth. I just saw an edit that probably wasn't actually vandalism, but simply incorrect. Let's not call it that unless we're fairly certain that it is, eh? Valaqil 16:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be cool 

message: Any info about non-English dialogues in this series? Why do the Japanese speak Japanese but the South Asians speak English among themselves? In Episode 18 we get to see the Haitian speaking French on the phone and also with Mrs. Petrelli, but there was no subtitles! Any external info we might able to add a sentence or two in the article? --Kvasir 04:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some relatively educated Indians who come from different regions of India, and don't otherwise share a language in common, do sometimes use English as a means of communication.  AnonMoos 04:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hiro and Ando's japanese conversations were important to the storyline. The Haitian and Mrs. Petrelli's french were not. Simple as that, i suppose. dposse 16:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: FYI, South Asians do not include indonesians and singaporeans. In any case, the Indians in the show speak English with an accent which implies English is not their first language. At the university i can understand the academics speak English, but the Suresh's speak amongst themselves in English, why? Even the young mysterious boy Sanjog speaks English, maybe it's because of his powers? Ando is played by a Korean-American actor, blame him or the dialect coach for the bad acting i suppose. George Takei doesn't speak Japanese well either.
There are over 22 different official languages in India. Also, the English colonised India. Not to try and build up my cred, but all of my south asian friends learned english while in their home country (those that were born there), and the majority of their family that remains in India/Pakistan does too. It remains the language of businessmen and scholars, while in Japan, the Japanese language is primary in higher circles.--Lostcause365 06:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: The list in the article is getting a little unwieldly, IMHO. There's a similar article for Doctor Who which covers recurring elements in that series so it's not without precedent. I think the lists are notable but in the main series article, it feels like fancruft. What does everyone else think? 75.162.21.161 18:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have to be expanded ALOT and meet all wikipedia guidelines, like WP:N, WP:A, ect. It would take alot of work to make it into prose and then create a nice sized article from it. dposse 13:47, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we have to split the full list of the recurring items and leave, in the main article, only the items which reoccur. -- Magioladitis 10:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to split off recurring elements? 

message: I'm unaware of Wikipedia policies for this, but do you think we should have a section for prominent recurring characters.Tuesday42 22:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: we do... on the character page... its not needed for a main portal page... -Xornok 01:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  recurring characters 

message: Someone who nows a peson that can under stand french ask them to tell us what the Haitian and Angela (Peters and Nathens Mom) are saying in Parasite- RREDD13 02:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your posts--Lostcause365 23:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My french isn't that good, especially when spoken.... I can't fully understand it, but this is what I can understand: "now will you [try to] ensure her safety?, it is your ..." "Listen, i ... ... .... ... goodbye". --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 13:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From tv.com
Angela Petrelli: (in french) Au moins maintenant elle sera en sécurité... et pas grâce à vous ! (Translation: At least, now she will be safe...and no thanks to you!)
Haitian: Ecoutez j'ai fait tout ce que j'ai pu... elle aurait bien fini par trouver sa propre voie ... (Translation: Listen, I did all that I could. She would have ended up well finding her own way.)
--TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 14:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That last part is not the best translation btw. i think it's intention is more something along the lines of: "In the end, she would have been able to find her own way" --TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 18:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! I'm impressed, guys =) Kudos to both of you! Although I'd have to side with TheDJ on this one, since there seems to be an emphasis on her "ending up well" ("bien fini"). Homologeo 07:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  France 

message: Sould we add to Claie's and Micah's page that Claire so far has been the youngest Known SUPERhuman too have powers, fire (by her biological mom) at her house and not a scratch on her and for Micah has been the youngest so far known to have a power and control it- RED- 4/5
:Micah might have competition in Chandra's daughter, but she failed the control test, didn't she? --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 17:23, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Claire didn't survive the fire because of her healing ability, she survived it because Mr. Bennet rescued her. Here. And in Company Man, Mr. Nakamura told Bennet that if she manifests that the Company would take her, so she didn't display an ability as an infant. 67.167.127.178 20:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true about the fire.  However, she may have manifested her ability as an infant but Mr. Bennet didn't tell.  We know that he knew about the tapes but didn't tell Claire or who he works for, so it may have happenned before.  We just know that Claire didn't know until she tried to kill herself. Val42 19:27, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Control 

message: Why was the character addition I made fore Ando removed? He is way more important than Simone - she is dead
* Ando Masahashi (James Kyson Lee), The friend/sidekick to Hiro Nakamura. Ando has no powers but is a loyal friend and is willing to follow Hiro into danger.
67.62.234.213 17:05, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what we think. It matters what the writers and NBC put down as fact. dposse 20:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ando Mashashi 

message: Can someone explain "save the cheerleader save the world." I keep hearing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.109.195.75 (talk) 
:I see this like a forum request and a Wikipedia talk page ain't a forum.  On the other hand, if the question is asked, perhaps it means that something is missing in the article.  But the problem with this one is that it isn't clear yet what it means.  Hiro came from the future simply saying to Peter Petrelli "Save the cheerleader, save the world" and disappeared.  If you want to know what happened in the entire series so far, you can read Peter Petrelli's page (ugh!), or more specifically, the section ""Save the cheerleader, save the world"", but even that isn't clear. -- Lyverbe 14:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Personally, when looking at the grand scope of Seven Minutes to Midnight and Homecoming, it appears that the importance of "saving the cheerleader" is due to Claire's rapid healing ability, and the fact that Sylar was after it made it a matter of grave importance.  If somebody like Sylar gains borderline invincibility, all bets are off, and we're screwed.  Windmillninja 19:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Save the cheerleader 

message: www.herosite.net  
This website has gained enough popularity in the past few months since its inception to warrant a mention on Wikipedia.  Herosite.net seems to get the latest news on the show before the other sites do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.72.25.65 (talk) 07:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Wikipedia policy on external links (items three, nine and ten) this site should not be added. As for notability, the site ranks number 54 in a Google search for "Heroes" and has an Alexa ranking of 2,899,748. As far as I can tell, HeroSite is not mentioned in any reliable sources and thus fails Wikipedia policy on notablity for websites.  - SigmaEpsilon ? ΣΕ 20:05, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible addition to the Links section 

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" or other opinion in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support" --Barryob  Vigeur de dessus 14:26, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survey 

message: There is discussion at WP:AN/I#Fancruft_issue_again, and an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kept Man that is attempting to create a precedent disallowing individual episodes. Matthew 18:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are confusing "vote stacking" with informing wikipedians about a situation that could affect alot of articles on wikipedia. dposse 19:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think deletion of episodes of The Adventures of Cody and Zack or whatever its called is really going to have an affect on deletion of Heroes, Lost, Jericho etc episodes.  I think using the "attempt to create a precedent that will affect Heroes" angle is just a scare tactic. -- Chuq (talk) 12:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I oppose this deletion anyway (for the reasons I've said there), but I don't think a precedent is too much of a concern. Some folks may try to use it as such, but I think Wikipedia's editors/admins will be wise enough to see that for what it is.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to create precedent disallowing individual episodes 

message: should it be mentioned, how the series uses the Zeigarnik effect consistently throughout the series —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aaronpark (talk • contribs) 22:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How has Heroes used that? dposse 00:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The Zeigarnik effect states that people remember uncompleted or interrupted tasks better than completed ones." Yeah, I'd like to know how Heroes has used this. —  « hippi ippi » 09:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  By consistently leaving lots of tasks unfinished. Onyl a couple of questions have been answere,d and theres never a point where "Ok, everything is finished, everything is answered". I guess thats what he means... Jacobshaven3 13:27, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But plenty of shows/literature have used that. Lost, 24, Law and Order, any anime on the planet, The DaVinci Code, Harry Potter, ect. It's not notable at all, though. dposse 13:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zeigarnik effect 

message: I don't know where to post this, so I hope you'll excuse my edit.  From the reading I've done both at university and in the four years since, it is clear to me that Heroes is a very specific type of allegory, and Five Years Gone only confirms this for me.  A few terms to consider: Rama, Ravana, Navratras, Akashic Records, cosmic involution, Chakra.  There are two moments in Five Years Gone which are absolutely convincing for me: first, the fact that Niki Sanders and Peter Petrelli are romantically involved, five years later; second, and most importantly, that when Sylar and Peter Petrelli meet in the hallway at the end of the episode, Sylar invokes Manipur Chakra and Peter Petrelli invokes Svadhistan Chakra to counter it.
On another random Heroes blog, I mentioned that it would be quite useful to attempt to categorize the heroes into sub-classes based on the elemental manifestations of their powers; I'll finish this edit by listing the six Chakras, into which each hero we've seen can be classified:
* Muladhara: earth element, associated with the number 56
* Manipur: water element, associated with the number 52
* Svadhistan: fire element, associated with the number 62
* Anhata: air element, associated with the number 54
* Visudhi: ether element (think Hana Gitelman, Micah), associated with the number 72, and
* Ajna: mind element (think Matt Parkman, The Haitian), associated with the number 64.
The numbers associated with the elements are said to be the number of cosmic 'rays' necessary to cause that element to invoke its cosmic involution.  How many rays are there in total?  360.  Like a circle.  It's the universal sakti -- the number of creation.
I made an edit regarding the similarity of the plot and structure of Heroes to that of the Hindu myth of Navratras -- it's not some crackpot theory, as Greg Beeman has confirmed at least part of it.  Where do I put it?  Whole new page? 70.130.218.139 22:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is complete OR and cannot be added. - SigmaEpsilon ? ?? 22:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To elaborate, if you can find reputable published sources which offer this type of information (for example, an interview with a producer who says that the characters are based on chakras and that Peter's marriage to Niki was included because it's a [term], or a book (from a real publisher) critically analyzes the show in this context), then you can include that information to Wikipedia.  However, you would be limited to what is in the source, so using the example of the interview, you wouldn't be allowed to specify which chakra goes with which characters if the producer didn't mention it in the interview, since that would be your synthesis of original ideas. --??org 23:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was actually two of the writers, when discussing the significance of the number 9.  You might call it a "theory" or a "conjecture", but I call it the 800-pound gorilla in the room.  I mean, there's even a princess who has two "selves": a demure, shy girl and a powerful witch-like woman.  But Heroes is not founded solely on Hindu myth; the other piece in the puzzle is the Australian aboriginal concept of Dreamtime and Waugal the rainbow-serpent, which seems to be the realm of Charles Deveaux.  And the same Dreamtime concept is closely related to the plateau-mountain in aboriginal Australia called -- wait for it -- Uluru, a place said to have been a battleground for many serpents, and which is cursed to this day.  The curse was breathed into a mud statue, according to legend, and embodied as a dingo.  Sorry for all of this, as I'm approaching Heroes with all of the maniacal fervor I used to reserve for my homework!  70.130.218.139 01:10, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The zeal you confess to is part of the problem. I think I speak for more than just myself when I say I'm glad you recognize that you are devoting such levels to the idea, because it means we can discuss it. To you, this is a hindu based story. To me, a probably Hindu character is in it, and might use some terminology, but I could equally choose to see Arthurian overtones, or Campbell's ideas about the journey ofa hero in Hiro's tale, including such things as a character with a doom (I won't SPOILER that, those who saw episode 20 know who I mean), and a quest for a sword. However ,I cannot cite my theory either. Ultimately, many viewers will see many different themes in the story. As viewers, we can do this. As Wikieditors, however, we have to hold to 'just the facts', or that which we can cite. Your assertion that the hindu parallels are "the 800-pound gorilla in the room" is a significant sign of bias. That you're aware of it means you also know that such biases are dangerous here. However, without independent confirmations from the writers admitting that it's intentional, we'd be merely looking at inferences, not implications. I personally admit that your theory is interesting, and if you can find a suitable venue/forum to expand the theory, please leave me a talk page message. ThuranX 02:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Heroes'' as allegory for Hindu Myth 

message: This article has been nominated for deletion. Please discuss it at the AFD page. Thanks. dposse 19:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alternate Future (Heroes) ]]: Nominated for Deletion. 

message: I can't believe what I'm seeing, but how can you say that the symbol floating in Chandra's computer screen isn't ASCII art?--Lostcause365 16:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever it is, people must stop edit wars.  It's childish.  But might as well state my opinion on this; it is indeed ASCII art.  -- Lyverbe 16:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not art. It's ASCII characters that happen to form a helix pattern. If it were intentional, then it would be ASCII art. - SigmaEpsilon ? ?? 16:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is an In-Universe view of the facts. Do you really think that the ascii is a coincidence that the creators of heroes were lucky enough to film? WookMuff 11:43, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "I don't know if it's art or not, but I know what I like." --Bill W. Smith, Jr. (talk/contribs) 18:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ASCII 

message: I've seen a credit to someone as "and the voice of..." but I don't know who that is or what character (if any) does he voices. Any help would be greatly apreciated.Vicco Lizcano 22:08, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean "the voice of Shenkar"? I think that's the person who does the chanting/singing in the opening. - SigmaEpsilon ? ?? 22:36, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the one I meant... so, that's a "title song" credit? Thanks for the info. Vicco Lizcano 18:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice of...? 

message: Hello.  On the DVD extras, there is an interview with tim kring, where he talks about the concept of heroes and the casting for heroes.  i dont know if anyone else has watched this on their dvd, but i think this info is important.  i dont mean to compare this article to the abc drama LOST article, but since that article is a star article, i will compare the pages.  the production section needs help.  on the dvd extras, kring talks about how the show was concepted and i wanted to add that to the production notes.  but i dont know how to source the info since my source will be the dvd extras.  also on the dvd extras, they talk about casting.  casting is important to the character section, which needs some out of universe info to make it more notable.  i want to add that info from the dvd as well, but i dont know how to source info found on a dvd extra.  any thoughts?  Basically i am saying we need to expand production section with some text on the shows conception.  we also need to expand the character section by including some info on casting, like the have done on the lost page.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 05:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could use Template:Cite video to help you source it.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 05:44, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production 

message: What reasoning was given to have the Main Character chart changed?  Why was the chart changed and not discussed?  What was the reasonings?  The chart looks like the chart used on the LOST page and the Lost article is a featured article. What is the reasoning? And why was it not discussed?--76.168.220.243 (talk) 20:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction: The chart resembles that of the Lost characters page, which is not featured, A or good class.  Link to disputed changes.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 20:11, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Character Chart