Talk:Qana

message: See also:
*Talk:1996 Shelling of Qana
*Talk:2006 Qana Airstrike
i suggest this be a talk page for Qana the village in general.
Boud 16:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

message: "Hezbollah is a political party"<BR>
Actually, Hezbollah has many faces; read the article about them.<BR>
The killing of Lebanese civilians is cited as accidental (although my personal view is that they don't really care; they call it an accident but not a tragedy, but that's not based on facts. That said, they're just defending their people at any cost, which is fair enough in "real terms" (i.e. the world's screwed up), not like the UK and Germany didn't kill each other's civilians much in WW2!).<BR>
Also the damage to infrastructure is to stop Hezbollah's ESO from attacking them further, not that this seems to be working...<P>
"Israel has killed several official Lebanese soldiers with Lebanon still sitting out of this for peace's sake."<BR>
IMHO Lebanon is "sitting out of this" because they're a very small country and Hezbollah's military strength is likely greater.<P>
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thewyzewun (talk • contribs) 23:44, 31 July 2006
:Israel may claim that they are attacking Hezbollah only and that they attack infrastructure only to "stop Hezbollah", but wikipedia is not the place to present Israel's point of view as a fact. This page on Qana is also not the page to try to sort this out. Let's just stick to something NPOV. Boud 22:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: thewyzewun replying to npov's comments

message: i propose we stick to: caused civilian deaths during military operations in Lebanon (Operation Grapes of Wrath and the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict) just slightly NPOV-ed further from that suggested by Yellow Up. If we want to add anything about this being a conflict with Hezbollah, then IMHO that must be attributed as a POV, but IMHO it would be better that that be done in the individual articles on the two incidents. Boud 22:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, i've removed (Operation Grapes of Wrath and the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict) since some people don't want to have too many links there - they are in the short descriptions of the two incidents. So i'm proposing/putting: caused civilian deaths during military operations in Lebanon. The Israeli point of view is not an objective fact, only the fact that they claim it is a fact. The fact is that the attacks have occurred throughout Lebanon and in the majority have killed Lebanese citizens, independently of whether not these were the wishes of Israeli politicians and/or military. Boud 22:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmmm, maybe i forgot to click on save. This time i've saved. So the present text is Qana is known internationally for two separate incidents in which the Israeli Defense Forces is charged with having caused civilian deaths during military operations in Lebanon:  Boud 14:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: proposal

message: Why is there such a long statement from Israel, one of the participants in the conflict? In order to present a balanced view, one must then also include comments made by the Lebanese government, which would make this page unnecessarily wrong. Anyone interested in the details can check out the link to the 2006 Qana bombings. Arnob 00:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why long statements from Israel? 

message: This is an article about the village, not about the two tragedies that it has encountered. Let's keep it that way. This article links to two sub-articles: 1996 shelling of Qana and 2006 Qana airstrike. That's where the material about those two tragedies should be. Please don't expand the text following the links further. All those arguments for and against are already in those articles. Thomas Blomberg 00:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently there are two referrals to the 2006 Qana airstrike article. Surely both aren't necessary? I'm going to remove the second one, if no one objects. -Fsotrain09 03:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't expand the [[2006 Qana airstrike]] stuff in this article! 

message: Good idea Thomas -- it was getting a little ridiculous! Cheers =) AWN AWN2 01:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kudos

message: I removed these because these statements are unsourced and apparently in disagreement with academically established information concerning Cana.  Who are the "some" who believe that Qana is Cana?  Unless we can find a notable primary source, it does not belong in the article.  If it doesn't belong in the article, neither do rebuttal statements concerning the supposed location of Cana.  The Crow 16:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to [[Cana]] 

message: i removed:
: It is believed that Hezbollah placed the children in the building after launching missles at Israel from the building itself. They attempted to use the children as human shields, in violation of the Genava Convention.
This sort of stuff should be NPOVed on the 2006 Qana airstrike page (if the author takes it seriously).
Boud 15:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  unsourced detailed sentences removed 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: All the last sections are a straight copy and paste from localiban. Which I think breaks the rules and I am going to remove. Or at least rewrite. Maybe keep the altitude? Is the population estimate better than the 10,000 given in the earlier text? questions, questions Padres Hana (talk) 21:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  not good enough