Talk:Coventry Building Society Arena

message: The article history section starts by talking about the desire of Coventry City FC to build a new stadium, but as well all know, they aren't the owners. The history section doesn't reference the decision making process that led to the club being tenants in a part-council owned stadium. Grunners (talk) 14:40, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why stadium not owned by the football club? 

message: Which is it? Hack (talk) 13:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cashless stadium that takes cash 

message: Please note that the council vote approving the sale does not mean that it will automatically happen or that the sale has happened. Please wait for the specific announcement that the sale is legally completed. The fact that one of the owners is a democratic body and needs to vote approval for the process does not mean it is a completed transfer, as all sorts of things can go wrong. Until you have a specific source for the transfer of ownership it has not happened.  Britmax (talk) 08:44, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Wasps purchase of the stadium

message: Added Sub-Headings in History to help divide it up with Inaugural events all being added into this section. Added a list of facilities at the Ricoh Arena, changed "Location" to "accessibility", adding information on Transport. I have also fitted the highest attendances in the attendance section but only included Sporting Events, references are need though. I did not include the one concert before as other concerts have had high attendances, some of which are higher, and had not been included. CovCity97 (talk) 22:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved.  Consider re-requesting after circumstances have changed.  (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 02:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ricoh Arena →  – As per WP:COMMON NAME. Ricoh deal is due to expire and stadium will become Coventry Building Society Arena on 1 July 2021; changing to City of Coventry Stadium reduces need for any further moves in future. Steven a91 (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 May 2021 

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 20:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ricoh Arena →  – Stadium name is changing from 1 July. Requesting now to give 7 clear days of discussion ahead of potential move on 1 July. Steven a91 (talk) 10:22, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 11:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment The City of Coventry is not really an established name it was just used for the 2012 Olympics it is not used generally so cannot be classed as a common name. Keith D (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 June 2021 

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The result of the move request was: moved. moved to Coventry Building Society Arena (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 21:04, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ricoh Arena →  – At the risk of flogging a dead horse given that renaming has been discussed twice before, but not come up with a unanimous consensus, the article is currently renamed Ricoh Arena in recognition of a now expired naming rights sponsorship. Article should either be renamed :Coventry Building Society Arena to reflect the current naming rights sponsor, or the more generic :City of Coventry Stadium much like :City of Manchester Stadium is rather than Etihad Stadium. The latter would avoid the need to rename every time the naming rights sponsor changes as has happened at :University of Bolton Stadium. Either way having it named after a departed sponsor makes no sense. There was a suggestion in the last discussion that it was crystal balling, it has now been confirmed that the change has happened. Likewise the website domain has been renamed. I'm sure people will continue for a while to refer to it as the Ricoh, much like people still refer to the train operator at Coventry station as Virgin Trains, even though Avanti West Coast took over 18 months ago. But the media and other published works will generally refer to it by its correct name.
For mine Coventry Building Society Arena, not opposed to City of Coventry Stadium. Short334 (talk) 06:31, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

text: *User:O.N.R. to clarify, do you support the name proposed in the last RM, the current one, or both? The circumstances changing seem to be that the new name is now widely used, although City of Coventry Stadium still does not seem to be used commonly at all. Hoping to see if there is a consensus here, because the majority of !voters, including the nomination, seem to express that the Coventry Building Society Arena name is preferred given current usage in sourcing.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:53, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 09:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:COMMONNAME: "(Wikipedia) generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)."  No policy suggests that a non-sponsored name is automatically preferred. 162 etc. (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Consensus at previous RMs shows that actully. GiantSnowman 14:29, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *The guideline you link to does not say anywhere that we should not use a common AND official name just because it is a sponsor. Could you point us to the one you mean?--Yaksar (let's chat) 02:34, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *As for your example of Boleyn Ground, the close was based on an interpretation of WP:NATURAL:  Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title. Do not, however, use obscure or made-up names. This is specifically because Upton Park, the more common name, is ambiguous.  This argument does not apply when a move is to an unambiguous title, such as Coventry Building Society Arena. 162 etc. (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *:Personally I think Boleyn Ground is the wrong name for that article, but that's a red herring. The key point is that GiantSnowman's claim that COMMONNAME doesn't apply to stadia is just incorrect. COMMONNAME is a sitewide policy, and its provisions are also backed up by WP:OFFICIALNAME, the gist of which is to say don't use the official name, unless it's also the common name.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:19, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *I was a "wait"!vote in the last discussion, but it's pretty clear that reliable sources are using the new name.--Yaksar (let's chat) 02:37, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *The current name seems to have already replaced the older one as the commonly used one in a majority of coverage. Over the past month, there seem to have been a ton using the current name, some that note the old name while referring to the new name, and a very small number that are only using the old name. If usage was the other way around, or if there was an actual debate about which is the current name and which is the old, it would be one thing, but it seems both unrealistic and WP:CRYSTALBALL to somehow expect that this will change, and reliable sources like the BBC will suddenly change their minds and go back to using the old name after already switching to the new one. --Yaksar (let's chat) 17:26, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Yaksar, the COMMONNAME is now Coventry Building Society Arena, this is also the official name. Moving to CBSA or CoCS is surely the only debate here now as keeping the article at Ricoh Arena when it's not the official name nor the common name would be the worst possible option. c87d98b10 18:41, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

text: *Helpful to note, although we don't base on Commonwealth Games policy, but rather Wikipedia's naming guidelines, which suggest we use the name commonly used in reliable English-language sources (whether sponsored, official, informal, or otherwise). In this case3, the new name is the one.--Yaksar (let's chat) 17:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 July 2021