Talk:Yisrael Friedman of Ruzhin

message: OK. I followed Chesdovi's advice and renamed it "Israel Friedman of Ruzhyn". -- -- --  21:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I think that's best. Chesdovi (talk) 23:43, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: The page on the Tiferet Yisrael Synagogue states, quoting from the Jerusalem Municipality website , that it was "named after Rabbi Yisroel of Ruzhin", with no further explanation. Was he named "tiferet Yisroel"? (Btw, daoes "tiferet" mean 'adornment', as written in the Tiferet article, or 'glory/splendour', as written on the disambiguation page Tifereth Israel?) Or was the synagogue considered as the adornment/glory/splendour of the man who sponsored it? Or was the synagogue also called "Ruzhiner shul" or alike, and they forgot to write it? If and when you figure that out, can you please amend all those vague or wrong statements? (Tiferet_Yisrael_Synagogue, Tifereth Israel, Tiferet, maybe even Israel Friedman of Ruzhyn). Thank you! Arminden (talk) 12:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: After the death of Hasidic rebbes, their teachings are compiled under a stylized name, which the authors themselves are then referred to—e.g. the Gerrer rebbes the "Lev Simcha" (Simcha Bunim Alter) and the "Beis Yisrael" (Yisrael Alter). Stylized names are often drawn from verses in Tanakh and other rabbinic sources. In this case, "Tiferet Israel" is a poetic name given to Rabbi Israel of Ruzhin, and the synagogue is named in his honor. I'm afraid I don't understand the rest of your question or what you want us to do. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Right, Rabbi Yisrael of Ruzhin didn't have any books published. I was just trying to give you an outline of the concept. In addition to giving a rabbi a stylized name after his death—now I also remember the Shem MiShmuel (Shmuel Bornsztain), the Avnei Nezer (Avrohom Bornsztain), and the Tiferes Shlomo (Shlomo Rabinowicz)—Jewish authors, living and dead, are also called by the name of their important works—e.g. "the Chofetz Chaim" (Yisrael Meir Kagan), "the Aruch HaShulchan" (Yechiel Michel Epstein), and "the Even Yisrael" (Adin Steinsaltz). Not only hasidim but all of Klal Yisrael refers to them as such. Finally, Jewish leaders, men and women alike, may be given a stylized name if a building is being built in their honor, or a school (here in Jerusalem a lot of new schools were named after Rebbetzin Batsheva Kanievsky after her death, like "Neve Batsheva"), which could explain the Tiferet Yisrael synagogue name. So you're right, other rabbis named Yisrael, like Israel Lipschitz, could be given the same stylized name. The name "Tiferet Yisrael" is likely a reference to God; I would have to look it up to see if it's in the siddur or in a rabbinical source. Yes, it's a great idea for an article. It will take a lot of research in Hebrew sources. I don't have time right now to do it, but I would put it on my list of things to do this year. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 10:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: 
I assume that the source for the use of Tiferet תפארת in such a context is Mishlei 17:6 עֲטֶרֶת זְקֵנִים בְּנֵי בָנִים וְתִפְאֶרֶת בָּנִים אֲבוֹתָם.2A01:6500:A037:6BF8:D202:66A5:9008:C8AD (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Translation by Sefaria. תנא קמא (talk) 16:17, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the source, ! But isn't it a weird translation? "Tiferet", like the sefirah, is "glory" or "splendor". We could probably find a better translation. Yoninah (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Dear Mr. , sorry for my poor English, but it seems to me that everybody except you gets the point. Just like "Trump Heights" ("Ramat Trump") is named after President Donald Trump even if his name is not "Heights" or "Ramat". Same is here. Its named "Tiferet Yisrael" after Reb Yisrael. Its just a ??? taken from a Bible verse that signifies the glory/splendor/majesty of the Rebbe of Ruzhin and his Creator. Betikva LeHavanah. תנא קמא (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I totally get what  is driving at. Wikipedia is written for all readers and all cultures. You must assume that non-religious and non-Jewish readers are looking at this page and wondering what Tiferet Yisrael has to do with Yisrael Friedman or, for that matter, with Israel Lipshitz. A footnote needs to be added, and sourced, to explain the connection. Yoninah (talk) 18:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Look what I found: Jewish name#Pen-names. It is part of a largely unsourced page, not well linked, which makes it hard to find. Plenty of space to improve, not least by adding exmples! Cheers, Arminden (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  that's great! I can certainly start from there and see if it develops any further. But I'm very busy with off-wiki work and won't have time for this right now. Yoninah (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames: is "tiferet Yisroel" one of them? Or what's the connection?