Talk:President of Ukraine

message: The Constitution of Ukraine stipulates for a certain procedure for impeachment of the President (article 111), which was severely breached by today´s decision of Ukranian Parliament. So is he de jure still the President or not?Dilas25 (talk) 22:42, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is about showing what is going on, not about giving personal opinions what is going on!!!! Most reliable English-language sources state that Yanukovych is impeached. Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered. The view that Yanu is still President is a minority opinion... We can not base Wikipedia on minority opinions! By the way I know you are not being honest about "not being a Yanukovych "groupie"". In my experience when people on Wikipedia start claiming that there not something... They usually are it... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:46, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, let´s not speak about "minorities" and "majorities" unless you have proof like sociological research. I was asking about the legal issue. Yanukovych was technically not "impeached" (because "impeachment" is a legal term and it is strictly regulated by article 111 of Ukrainian constitution (it is necessary to have a decision of Supreme Court that confirms that actions of the President constitute a crime and a decision of the Constitutional court that says that the procedure was observed. Secondly, it is necessary to have a 4/5 majority to make impeachment effective - this condition was not met). If we read the decision of the Parliament, then it says that Yanukovych "self-removed himself from acting as preseident" but it does not remove him from office. So de jure Yanukovych is still the President who is not functioning actively and was forced to flee due to mass protests. He also explicitly refused to resign.Dilas25 (talk) 22:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: According to sources that really treat the question - and by that I eliminate sources which merely state 'was impeached/ousted by a vote of 328 - 0' - in some detail, the vote was not legal. See here . The wording is 'politically correct', i.e. they do not explicitly say the vote was null and void, what they do however is to list some of the provisions that were not followed. Now, the idea that 'Most reliable English-language sources state that Yanukovych is impeached.' But one could equally start counting Russian sources that say exactly the opposite! It all boils down to which sources treat an issue in necessarily thorough manner. I have not seen a single source yet that claims the impeachment was done according to this and that provision effective at the moment. One English language source - linked here - does treat this question and indeed points out that this was not the case and points out shortcomings (to use an euphemism). Wikipedia is not a democracy. One good source can trump ten sloppy/partisan sources. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 22:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you misunderstood me Sundostund; I think you are a NPOV-editor. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:27, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, sorry for misunderstanding :)... I try to be neutral as much as I can in my work here. And, I certainly didn't came here to entangle myself in a discussion whether Yanukovych was legally impeached or not. I'm leaving that cup of tea to others. --Sundostund (talk) 22:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: @Yulia: the only source that I have seen and that really tries to handle the question whether the impeachment was legal is an English language source  that Lvivske added yesterday. And even if it were language other than English, a source treating the question disputed in details is still better than newspaper sources that claim something with no substantiation. You could easily find thousands of English language websites supporting Intelligent Design or other pseudoscience, but they don't trump scientific sources no matter how few there are. apparently most of the people believe the Evolution of humans did not take place , so what? Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 22:43, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: PS. As for the Western sources that refer to Yanukovich as former president or impeached/ousted president. They really reflect the de facto situation and they do not even try to treat the question whether the impeachment was legal. Lokalkosmopolit (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Yanu has not let himself heard of since 2 days... So calling him President is also weird is it not? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 22:52, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Please do realise that next to Wikipedia I have a life, a family and friends! And I could right now have a good time with them! But I choose to keep Wikipedia updated on things of my choosing! And I am a volunteer! And I don't even care if Turchynov is the legitimate Acting President!!! So please keep your expectations of me low... To learn you that Wikipedia is not ideal and that it sometimes does not go as you please... I will not address the above issue... You had to learn sometime that Wikipedia is not perfect... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 23:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

text: The fact of whether Yanukovich is actually out of office or not is pretty much only disputed by him, and right now the man deserted his office and is missing. I see no reason to include "disputed" in the infobox. There's going to be elections in about 2 months but Yanukovich's term doesn't end until 2015, should we included "disputed" even after the new elections? It's silly, Yanukovich is gone and he won't be back. Fry1989 eh?  00:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm asking you a serious question which you have not answered. Since Yanukovich's term as president does not end until 2015, should we continue to include "disputed" in the infobox for whoever is elected in May of this year? If your answer is yes I think you're being silly, if your answer is no, then my follow-up question is then why should we include it now? Fry1989 eh?  01:47, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we do know what will happen in the future. We know that there will be elections in 2 months and that Yanukovich will not be one of the candidates. We also know that, under your legal stance, Yanukovich doesn't exit the presidency until the end of his term which is next year. So answer the question, or stop adding "disputed" when clearly the consensus is against you. Fry1989 eh?  16:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

text: The point is you have no support for this whether you are right or wrong. I've been forced to ask an admin to protect the page. Please try and gain a proper consensus regarding this. Fry1989 eh?  00:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the "impeachment" of Yanukovych on 22 february 2014 legal?

message: I suppose that the original text of the constitution can be found in the following book:
Державний центр Української Народної Республіки в екзилі: Статті і матеріали / Інститут дослідження модерної історії України / Любомир Р. Винар (ред.), Наталія Пазуняк (ред.). — К. : Веселка, 1993. — 494с. — .
Індекс рубрикатора НБУВ: Т3(4Укр)6я43
Шифр зберігання книги в НБУВ: ВА562311
I also found this book in the Library of Congress catalog, call number:  DK508.44 .U4165 1993. I can request an interlibrary loan from LOC, but it would be a bit of a stretch to do this for Wikipedia. Sashazlv 04:39, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Constitution of UNR

message: I've included the list of Chairmen of Supreme Soviet into Verkhovna Rada article, and I propose to exclude the list from this article based on the following.
# The Chairmen of Supreme Soviet have never been the Presidents of Ukraine. This article is named President of Ukraine and it should not go outside the scope of describing the President of Ukraine.
# In the Soviet time the ruling power in the Ukrainian SSR after Moscow was in the hands of the First Secretary of Communist Party of UkrSSR, not in the hands the Chairman of Presidium of Supreme Soviet.
# President is commonly seen as a part of the executive branch of the government, not the legislative branch. The executive branch in the Soviet time was present by the Soviet of Ministries.
# An attempt to claim that the Chairmen were "like" the President is an original research, unless supported by reliable sources. An article "Історія президентства" on the official website of the President of Ukraine  includes no information on Chairmen. It does however include information on Hrushevsky. 
# The current list on this page is factually inaccurate, as Burmistenko, Ivashko and Kravchek were the Chairmen of Supreme Soviet, not Presidium of Supreme Soviet.
The proposal came following a discussion with User:Sashazlv on his talk page. KPbIC 04:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chairmen of Supreme Soviet of Ukrainian SSR

message: A bill on "presidential impeachment" is arising! See: Parliament passes at first reading bill establishing mechanism for presidential impeachment. — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 03:50, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watch out Viktor! 

message: According to Dilas25 "the Constitution of Ukraine (Art. 10) guarantees free development, use and protection of Russian language" but what the hell has that got to do with editing wikipedia? And why is not the Sorbian name of the German Bundestag included in that article? It is quite obvious the only reason Dilas 25 is editing wikipedia is to Russiafy Ukrainian articles. In my view this guy should be banned from wikipedia cause he is only here to push a political agenda. Let's have a propper discussion first and not let clowns like Dilas 25 (he added the Bellarussian name in Prime Minister of Ukraine...) take over wikipedia. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:59, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Accusations of "Russifying Ukrainian articles" and "making political agenda" are so absurd and weird that I don't even want to comment on that (especially taking into account the  kind "apolitical" comment "Death to Russian imperialists" made by you, Yulia Romero). Sadly, you are even uncapable of keeping yourself withing the limits of normal politeness. Adding Russian name of Ukrainian parliament (in smaller font than in Ukrainian) would, in my opinion, be ´polite´ taking into account the significant role that the Russian language plays in Ukrainian society (see Russian language in Ukraine) and the fact that Russian is explicitly mentioned in Ukrainian constitution (article 10) alongside Ukrainian language (unlike any other possible minority language like Crimean Tatar). The "free use, development and protection" of the Russian language is guaranteed by the constitution of Ukraine (like it or not!) which may be taken as a certain degree of official recognition. Here you can read the text of Ukrainian Constitution in English: http://www.president.gov.ua/en/content/chapter01.html Dilas25 (talk) 17:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The WP:UEIA policy is clear: the lede should contain "common names by which its subject is widely known". I am unconvinced the Russian version is "widely known" (in the English speaking world). I wish the editor does not take edits of others personally as per WP:AGF policy. I regret I did so (at the time); but in my defense your edit summaries at the time where so cryptic I could not make heads or tail of it. As a compromise we could ad the Russian name (next to the Ukrainian name) in the history section since in Soviet Times Russian and Ukrainian where official languages in the Ukrainian SSR. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:03, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Russian name 

message: The current article gives the idea that the Prime Minister appoints Ministers and then seeks to get the parliaments (=Rada) approval for that; while it seems to be the President per presidential decree (with the Rada seems to have no say in this however). On October 1, 2010 the Constitutional Court of Ukraine recognized the constitutional amendments of 2004 illegal was the appointment of Ministers per Prime Minister + Rada approval one of these constitutional amendments that now is defunct? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appointment and dismissal of [[Cabinet of Ukraine]] Ministers 

message: OK, after being alerted by the AN/I thread, and looking at the talk page discussion and the article history, I've full-protected the article for three hours, in the version where I found it.  I express no preference for any version, this is just to allow you an opportunity to talk and think.  This is not quite an edit war, but another round of back and forth edits and it would be.  I have no connection with this dispute and have not opined on this or any related matter.  I did write most of Nikita Khrushchev, if that's anything against me.  Anyway.  Take this time to talk about it.  That was an entirely proper and mostly civil talk page discussion and I suggest it continue.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:47, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A brief pause 

message: President Yanukovych doesn't seem to be mentioned on this entry even though he was elected President until the coup d'etat ousted him this past year. Does wikipedia no longer mention past Presidents or does this highly questionable policy only apply to Ukraine? 
What a farce.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgi Plekhanov (talk • contribs) 17:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yanukovych is mentioned on this entry in the lead (also on 12 August 2014), This Wikipedia is about the post of President of Ukraine not about the people who occupied this post. If you want to read about President Yanukovych (and his "democratic government" that was responsible for the killing of its citizens... and also was rapidly becoming very undemocratic right before it was toppled and even before its democratic value was questioned by Human Right groups) go to the Wikipedia entry about him. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:45, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Has Wikipedia ended the practice of identifying past Presidents for this country only? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think salary of president is wrong and too low. 28000 UAH is about 1000 USD.
See detail on page http://world-economic.com/articles_wej-218.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.159.146.144 (talk) 20:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article you've used as a source is from 2011, whereas the current WP:RS being cited is from August of 2016. It's best to follow the most recent reliable sources instead of guesstimating. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:56, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salary of president 

message: Dear brave and exemplary president. Please approve my application to come to ukaraine to help your brave soldiers. I am from buddhist country bhutan. I cant fight but can cook meals for your brave soilders day and night as i am a chef.  Please give me a chance and i will sacrifoce my life for Ukraine
Jigme thinley
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Email thodadema315@ gmail.com 119.2.125.141 (talk) 03:27, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application 

message: I don't have the skill to edit, not the historic knowledge to correct this myself, but there are errors of syntax and grammar that make this paragraph unintelligible in parts.  Hopefully some willing person can sort this. Peter 2A02:C7D:F025:D800:8100:91D:70D8:D04E (talk) 13:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st paragraph of "In Exile" 

message: G 41.13.182.213 (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration of graph due to war of ukraine 

message: Як я можу добровільно в військовій армії? 185.117.8.150 (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Як я можу добровільно в військовій армії? 

message: As of 10th May 2021, five are three living former presidents.
I assume this is supposed to say “there are five”.
79.97.2.84 (talk) 08:56, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: Living former presidents 

message: Can someone update timeline to include 2022? 88.156.137.88 (talk) 20:45, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline