Talk:Paul Vallas

message: while a fan of Vallas, the claims this article makes are largely unsubstantiated.  The results of the mayoral takeover of the chicago public school system are largely unstudied; clear evidence of the effect on students' tests scores is disputed (to the best of my knowledge), and Vallas himself is a highly controversial figure.  The claims this article makes need to be (1) CITED, and (2) written from a more neutral standpoint.  --Katwmn6 05:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It seems kind of off to have the infobox report him as the Superintendent of the Bridgeport Public Schools when he has not held the post for nearly 10 years. There are lines below it that make that clear. But when what has he been doing for the last nearly 10 years? He's run in a few tries at electoral office but what is he doing for an actual job? Novellasyes (talk) 16:25, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Infoboxes generally list offices in that manner regardless of how long it has been since they held their last office. There is a "profession" parameter for the infobox that is not currently being utilized, and I  I will add it. However, failed candidacies are not listed in infoboxes. SecretName101 (talk) 21:09, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Role/infobox

message: I will link several articles below. There is missing content on Paul's relief work and DOJ work. If anyone needs sources or has questions please reach out. My edits keep getting pulled down. I would appreciate if the page reflected the missing information. 
https://nesnus.org/about-nesn/mr-paul-vallas/
nola.com/news/education/article_1c7f3009-57ee-5eb7-9292-d0f0c2721780.html
https://www.nola.com/news/education/article_00c9734b-41b2-5058-9fea-a9eb9ffdf48c.html Zbrahm2 (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Zbrahm2 I suggest you draft your suggested text (including sources) and place it here so that others can assess its neutrality and veracity and, if needs be can have a discussion about the proposal. Nthep (talk) 21:23, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have an issue with the sourcing. NENUS identifies him as a member of their board. Using them as the sole citation for what amounts to possible positive fluff is problematic. They could be embellishing greatly for all we know, to make their board member look more impressive.  The citation from CORE does not seem to have anything about Vallas. And the first source on Haiti does not actually say what you claim it does. I'll find a way to incorporate what is actually said by it. Not sure if the Sean Penn stuff is necessary. SecretName101 (talk) 05:08, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It looks like the changes have been made, and I agree that the other citations are not reliable. Can we close this request? GiovanniSidwell (talk) 17:23, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @GiovanniSidwell I believe we can close it, yes. SecretName101 (talk) 00:47, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Partly done:  per above GiovanniSidwell (talk) 15:19, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone please add missing content to this page? 

message: added this photo of Paul Vallas:  on February 6. 
On February 8,  removed that photo and added back in the photo that has been in the page for a long time, namely: .
SecretName101's argument (edit summary) was "while five years older, this image has a superior angle and expression". 
It's true it has a superior angle. However, I prefer the 2023 photo added by TDKR Chicago. My main reason is that the 2018 photo has a very bad "red eyes" thing going on. 
I'd appreciate others weighing in. Novellasyes (talk) 19:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the reason why I changed the image because the 2018 one had the red eyes issue. While it is true that my replacement image is a newer one, it was not my main motive. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of Paul Vallas 

message: There are a lot of WP:Weasel words in this paragraph: "Many view Vallas as being either a conservative or politically moderate candidate. He has been characterized as conservative compared to other candidates running for mayor. He has received significant campaign donations from sources considered politically conservative. Lightfoot and fellow candidate Chuy García have sought to cast Vallas as aligned with the Republican Party. During the campaign, Lightfoot has characterized Vallas as being her most conservative challenger. Lightfoot and García both have accused Vallas of being inadequately pro-choice, despite Vallas having a past record of claiming to be pro-choice and past endorsements from Planned Parenthood and Personal PAC during his 2002 gubernatorial and 2014 lieutenant gubernatorial campaigns. They have pointed to a 2009 interview in which Vallas declared himself to be, "more of a Republican than a Democrat because, fundamentally, I oppose abortion," and in which he declared, "“if I were to run for office again, I would run as a Republican". Another line of attack for Lightfoot and García has been Vallas's relationship with and endorsement from the city's police union. Lightfoot has characterized Vallas's FOP endorsement as undermining Vallas's claim to have been a "lifelong Democrat". García has cast Vallas's closeness to the FOP as indicating that there would be "no police accountability" under a Vallas mayoralty. García has also derided the police union as being "far right"." Novellasyes (talk) 18:59, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words 

message: In discussing Paul Vallas's track record in Philadelphia schools, the section makes use of emotionally charged claims that are not well supported in the referenced article, such as him being the "most effective Philadelphia schools chief in a generation", which contributes to a significantly non-neutral take on his tenure, and therefore seems out of place on Wikipedia. AnimaZen (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Success and Track Record 

message: The article definitely lacks comprehensive coverage of important actions taken in each of his tenures as superintendent of different systems and their most immediate and consequential ramifications/effects. Improvement by editors, particularly ones used to editing bios of educators, would be appreciated. SecretName101 (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements to coverage of tenures as superintendent would be appreciated greatly 

message: There’s an error in his Philadelphia CEO section where it says “$73.3”. It should probably say “$73.3 million”. The “million” Is omitted in the current section. 2600:4040:7EF4:CF00:B185:5ACA:4C1C:AD2C (talk) 04:11, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed SecretName101 (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 

message: I, as any editor should, am aiming for an objective treatment of Vallas. But, as with pretty much any editor who has a strong interest in the subject of government and politics, I have formed personal opinions on government and politics. I make a true effort not to let those influence what I include, what I omit, and how I portray matters. Nevertheless, as a human with a viewpoint of my own, it is unreasonable to think I could flawlessly accomplish the goal of purely objective coverage. 
Since I have contributed so much of the article, I want to actively urge editors to provide feedback pointing out any specific instances of bias they believe are present in this article. 
As always, reliable sourcing is key to this project. So it is greatly appreciated if you can present reliable sources that support the way you believe any matters should be instead portrayed.
Also note that "objective" is not always the same as "balanced". We want to have an accurate account, and want to avoid potraying inaccurate equivalencies (both ones that create an inaccurately positive picture and those that cast an inaccurately negative picture).
Look forward to hopefully engaging with editors on this! SecretName101 (talk) 21:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'd urge editors to give feedback about any concerns of biased treatment 

message: I believe :File:Paul Vallas March 2023 (3x4a).jpg would be a superior image for the infobox. Anyone support or object this? SecretName101 (talk) 18:31, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I lean towards the March 2023 (Option A) image because it's more recent, whereas the Paul Vallas (3x4a) is nearly a decade old. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think recent-ness is less important. His appearance has not dramatically changed at all between 2014 and now (therefore the 2014 photo is not any worse a representation of how he looks today), and the 2014 image is superior in quality. SecretName101 (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: My issue with the date is that 'should' Vallas be elected mayor, the image will be extremely outdated in terms of the context of the image. Plus, Option B you only really see half of his face whereas option A you see his entire face which I think outweighs the clothing factor that you mentioned. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:40, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

text:  Strongly agree with using :File:Paul Vallas (3x4a).jpg. Novellasyes (talk) 19:34, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Novellasyes Of the four options now (I've added two others), which is best in your opinion? SecretName101 (talk) 16:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Personally, not a fan of the white background because it appears off, like in Option C it's not totally clean cut as some of the old background can slightly be seen on top of his head. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:39, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

text: As I noted, the outline of Vallas in the white background choices appear a bit 'rough' and weird. In terms of the clothing comment, with option A you are able to see his full face whereas option B you only see half of it. I think seeing the entirety of the article's subject outweighs whatever clothes they're wearing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC/Vote: Let's use this image?