Talk:Bombing of Dresden/Archive 14

message: Art. 25: The attack or bombardment, by whatever means, of towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings which are undefended is prohibited.
Clearly this article defines valid targets which are defended and invalid targets which are undefended. The RAF mainly bombed civilian parts of the city such as buildings which were undefended, they didn't focus on the defended parts like the anti-aircraft defenses which were around the city. Strictly speaking, they bombed 78,000 dwellings which were undefended. Philip, did they violate against Art. 25?--62.8.232.10 19:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with IxK85 (See Kammhuber Line article), but the USAF also argued (as described in the article) that "Marshall's inquiry concluded that the presence of active German military units nearby, and the presence of fighters and anti-aircraft within an effective range, Dresden qualified as "defended"." (https://www.airforcehistory.hq.af.mil/PopTopics/dresden.htm II. Section ANALYSIS: Dresden as a Military Target, ¶ 11.) and this analysis was probably based on compliance with the Draft Convention for the Protection of Civilian Populations Against New Engines of War. Amsterdam, 1938. Art 2. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Art. 25 of Hague Convention 

message: I know that this question is probably inappropriate for this articles talk page, but in the World War II city bombing infobox, just before the refs, the article on the Heilbronn bombing is actually the article on Heilbronn itself, and consists of but one paragraph. A better one (well I think so), is probably Bombings of Heilbronn in World War II, and so I think that the infobox needs to be changed. The trouble is that I dont know how I would do such a thing, or what I need to go or do for that to happen. Maybe someone can help me out? ♣ ÅñôñÿMôús  Dîššíd3nt 09:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case of the  template there is a small edit button top left of the template. But for any template just add "template:" before the name of the template in the search box and click go. See the talk page on :template talk:WWII_city_bombing about the bloat that has taken place in this template. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II city bombing infobox 

message: When programmes and documentaries have been on the television the interviewees have been highly suspect, not historians, nor military officers. The Allies should not have apologised anywhere near the time, and the acts of those attempting to apologise on behalf of Great Britain and the Allies should not be taken as indicative of the nations concerned. Londo06 21:10, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "they seemed to know it was against the Geneva Conventions." Which Gerneva convention? --Philip Baird Shearer 22:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No military personnel would apologise

message: In "Impact of the attack" it says:
:was crowded at that time with up to 200,000 refugees (See footnote 25:
Taylor, pp. 262–4. There were an unknown number of refugees in Dresden, so the historians Matthias Neutzner, Götz Bergander and Frederick Taylor have used historical sources and deductive reasoning to estimate that the number of refugees in the city and surrounding suburbs was around 200,000 or less on the first night of the bombing.)
So Beevor's "and that at the time of the raids there were up to 300,000 refugees in the city seeking sanctuary from the fighting on the Eastern Front" is already higher than the figure used in more specialized publications.
The recent addition:
:In The New Dealers' War, historian Thomas Fleming writes that the city was "jammed with at least 500,000 refugees. (Thomas Fleming, The New Dealer's War (New York: Basic Books, 2001), 495.) 
is 300,000 higher the the historians who have specialized in the raids, does he give explain how he came to these numbers? --Philip Baird Shearer 11:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refugees 

message: A recent addition says:
Berlin was hit on February 3, killing roughly 25,000 and Munich and Leipzig were both hit before the assault moved on to Dresden. When faced with the Associated Press, General George Marshall asserted that Leipzig, Berlin and Dresden had all been targetted as the Russians had requested at the Yalta Conference. This was untrue; Dresden was never mentioned at Yalta, although Leipzig and Berlin were.(Thomas Fleming, The New Dealer's War (New York: Basic Books, 2001), 496)
See Talk:Bombing of Dresden in World War II/Archive 12#Berlin and caused an estimated 25,000 civil fatalities. The 25,000 figure is the initial estimate by the USAAF, This figure has since been scaled back most historians.
Dresden was mentioned at the Yalta conference. Taylor and other historians provide primary sources. What is true is that Dresden was not initially on the list of targets requested by the Soviets. The details of how it came to be added are given in the article section "Reasons for the attack" --Philip Baird Shearer 12:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berlin was hit 

message: Why Soviet reaction is not covered?--Dojarca 12:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet reaction 

message: Reference 30 reads "^ The Bombing of Dresden in 1921, by Richard J. Evans".....
Presumably 1921 is an error.  Wanderer57 15:43, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questioning reference 

message: Question: I thought the event was commonly referred to as "fire bombing." Do I misrecollect? Is the phrase inaccurate? If it is common, but inaccurate, is it mentioned in the article? Jd2718 19:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fire Bombing