Talk:List of compositions by Claude Debussy

message: See also the so-called "Etude Retrouvee" for piano solo (1915), realized by Roy Howat in 1979 from fairly complete sketches left by Debussy.  Published by Theodore Presser Co. (for North America).  I don't know if such a work belongs on a list of completed compositions, but it is musically a worthwhile investigation.
12.76.138.218 02:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etude Retrouvee

message: The recent addition of Vocal score, transcribed by André Caplet and Prelude to Act II, orchestral score are external links and should be placed on a separate page linked from Le martyre de Saint Sébastien. Does anyone mind if I set that up? One trouble is that I don't know what else to put on that page. It would become the shortest of stubs. HWV258 (talk) 01:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions by Sibref 

message: I suggest to include the files at right.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:09, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More music 

message: The sound file for the piano piece The Little Nigar, L. 114, is an orchestral arrangement. Really? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Why the hell are there sound files in a composition list anyway? Pretty dumb. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 12:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Where else would you put them? --Saguaro-sun/chuckstreet (talk) 07:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where else? To the composition, but please a piano version for a piano piece, not an arrangement. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Little Nigar 

message: Anyone know the source for the "Rapsodie in the Style of Liszt"? I seem to remember seeing that title in the late 70s or early 80s, but I don't remember if I saw the score. The title would suggest an early work, possibly around 1890 or 91, though it could be a student work from the early to late 80s. Other students describe Debussy as forcefully "attacking" the piano when he played, which seems to be almost a description of Liszt's playing style, though Debussy always said he hated playing the piano, so that could be the reason for the attack. But I suspect the piece may be spurious.
Saguaro-sun/chuckstreet (talk) 07:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I found at least one book that mentions it as lost. The chapter discusses Liszt's influence on Debussy's early compositions. Apparently it's a blatant attempt by Debussy. I added the reference to the list. 97.45.129.111 (talk) 17:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Rapsodie in the Style of Liszt

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion 

message: I continue to be boggled how any sane human being wouldn't realize that making up a catalog number and assuming an author's intentions isn't something one should do on Wikipedia. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 06:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody's making up anything. The error is not Lesure's, it is the publisher's. Errata will be included in a new edition if they ever go into a second revised printing. We've already determined from Lesure's own notes that Ballade has been verified as Debussy's first composition. You originally claimed it was spurious, and I went along with that by making a change in the Debussy bio article to remove the title. That was wrong of me, as it was pointed out that not only is there no evidence that it's spurious, but Lesure himself claimed it was authentically Debussy, just lost. Even after the discussion on the Debussy talk page, you are still claiming it's spurious or possibly spurious? You've not presented anything that would back up your claim or even suggest it. As for the catalog number, it's a shame the numbering got shifted down, but we do have to include Debussy's first composition in the list here, and the sort order needs to place it in order of CD number. Chuckstreet (talk) 06:59, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the discussion I don't see anything at all indicating it was a 'publisher error'. There doesn't seem to be much conclusion at all, just confusion. But more importantly, you just can't make up a catalog number, or add info about "presuming" what may or may not happen. If I should "know how it works", so should you. And if you weren't so hasty to revert (against WP rules BTW) you might have noticed that I left the sort order in so it still comes up on top. Again, I'm just boggled at this. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 13:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The addendum to the latest edition of the "official" Lesure catalog lists Ballade à la lune as "CD 0". I don't think it matters who or what made the error. The piece should be listed in our list, and with the numbers used in all versions of the catalog. If some catalogs, not just "official" ones, list a piece with an erroneous number, we can include that as a footnote. 97.45.129.111 (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballade a la lune 

message: Note that the RISM website uses these abbreviations to indicate numbers according to Lesure's catalogues:
* LesD for the 1977 catalogue
* LesDe for the 2003 catalogue
E.g. for the Proses lyriques No. 1 ("De rêve"): LesDe 90/(84); LesD 84 (see  – the abbreviations are clickable, and when clicked a pop-up shows which catalogue is intended))
RISM does not necessarily use "standard" abbreviations for referring to catalogues of compositions, but if no standard can be established, these abbreviations can at least be referenced to a bibliographic resource. --Francis Schonken (talk) 07:22, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Another piece of the puzzle

message: See this link for a discussion relating to the use of bold in the lead. UnnamedUser (open talk page) 04:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Bold in lead

message: Lately, this content has been added to the intro of the page: "The compositions are listed in official catalogues: ... The updated Lesure catalogue at Musicbrainz ..." For clarity, MusicBrainz is:
* not a website that holds "official catalogues"
* not even a reliable source (WP:RS), for WP:USERGENERATED and WP:CIRCULAR reasons, so can't be used as a reference
--Francis Schonken (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources being used 

message: "Première Trio" is one of the first so-called "corrections" of the IP editor yesterday. For clarity: "Première Trio" is grammatically incorrect, and not what a French speaker would call the trio. This edit was followed by a series of other edits, none of them much better. I'm suggesting to revert most, if not all, of the IP's edits, and to request semi-protection for the page if the IP editor would return with this type of edits. --Francis Schonken (talk) 01:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignore anything the IP says. It's Chuckstreet again. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 05:08, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Première Trio" and other nonsense