Talk:Hadith of Najd

message: In Sahih Muslim there are six successive entries about this hadith (#45-50 in book 41). All the entries go back to Abdullah ibn Umar. The prophetic part of all of these is identical - "Rasul Allah faced eastward and said 'Civil War will come from this direction where the Horns of Satan appear." Najd is not mentioned. The sixth entry uses the hadith to exemplify a remark made by Salim the son of Abdullah that the people of Iraq guilty of killing one another. This, I think puts a different spin on the hadith.
It would seem to me that the easiest reading is that Rasul Allah was predicting the Ridda and Salim was re-using the old hadith and applying it to the Abbascid rebels. I have no idea how thisjibes with the classical Muslim commentaries so I will not change the page at this time.
The article as whole reads to me too much like original research already and I don't want to make that worse. DKleinecke (talk) 00:54, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Jazak-Allah, and my apologies for the anti-shia polemics in response to Shia polemics. It was hastily done and after I had just read the anti-Wahab ideas. Also, I wasn't aware till yesterday that there is a number of Salafi/Sunni scholars who also subscirbe to the Najd is in Saudi view. And for the record, I myself have no fondness for the House of Saud, at least not in it's current state (for different reasons). --xx-Mohammad Mufti-xx 05:30, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Isnads in Sahih Muslim

message: I noticed that the last version of the article contained the following narration:
::"O Allah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa'inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, " O Messenger of Allah and in our Najd" and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan." -Abu Nu'aym in al-Hilya (6/133)
But the actual narration in Shu'ayb Arna'out: Sharh as-Sunnah’ (14/206-207 fn. 2) says:
::O Allaah bestow your blessings on our Madeenah, and bestow your blessings on our Mecca, and bestow your blessings on our Shaam, and bestow your blessings on our Yemen, and bestow your blessings in our measuring (fee saa`inaa wa muddinaa)." A person said, " O Messenger of Allaah and in our Najd and so he turned away from him and said, "there will occur earthquakes, trials and tribulations and there will appear the horn of Satan.
I went ahead and corrected this.  I'll see what I can do to bring more references from both sides of the story here, but lets make sure that the translations available are factually accurate. MezzoMezzo 21:13, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistranslation

message: Recently, a number of IPs and new accounts have attempted to insert the Sufism point-of-view into this article.  While the article should represent all points of view, this must be done with reliable, verifiable sources without taking sides.  While the article may be unbalanced, as of yet, no editor has been able to provide proper sources for the Sufi point-of-view - that being that the "najd" referred to in the hadith is in Saudi Arabia.  Most of this has been copy-paste from various blogs, as the Sufi movement in North America is quite active on the internet.
Let me just iterate here that I am not trying to bash anybody's beliefs.  If an editor is Sufi or Christian or nonbelieving then that is fine and they can edit any article they like.  But on this article specifically, there has been a very noticeable pattern of bias from the direction of the point of view that "najd" is in Saudi from before I made my above comments more than two years ago.  Let's try to find reliable sources for this point of view, and add them to the article in a constructive way. MezzoMezzo (talk) 14:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent insertions of Sufi POV

message: I've provided proof. Now can you deny that? You can't. The biggest thing is that the fitnatul wahabiah emerged from Najd. Even the elder brother of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab, that is Sulyman ibn Abdul Wahab(RA)  called his brother being the Horn of Satan in his book Divine Thunderbolts.
117.98.12.150 (talk) 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've provided proof 

message: You will understand them by their fruits, is the valid sentence of Jesus Christ. And we understand nowadays very well. All over the world. Nobody can deny. Loqman (talk) 09:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attack on sufi views. 

message: Wahhabism; even the term is denied by wahhabis. Hadith of najd is about saud-is (salaf of the king ?) and this a common belief among non salafis. your defence of salafism is only like USA defending israelor al qaida defending violence. Allah is watching. Zikrullah (talk) 18:43, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attack on sufi views. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Although consensus on this article was already reached a few years ago via policy explanations, RSN discussions, and community work here, that consensus has been denied recently. A rechecking of sources never hurts, and hashing it out here again - while laborious - will still be a benefit. In order to go methodically, I’d like to address the lead, and only the lead, before moving on to other sections. I usually wouldn’t start with the lead of an article, but since this one is so short and so glaring in its problems, I think it can be wrapped up quickly so the community can move forward to other sections.
The original lead based on consensus can be found up to October 2019. Without any further discussion - not on this talk page or even in edit summaries - the lead was changed to the current biased mess which we can see. There are a few problems with this:
*SalafiTalk and Masud.co are both sites which are only occasionally reliable. Both are sectarian sites who spout hate against their ideological opponents, and both of them has problems with both accuracy and completeness in translation.
*Although both sources push their own sects’ POVs as being the truth, the article’s lead currently portrays Masud’s as being true while SalafiTalk’s as just being a sectarian claim. BOTH sources are the latter, not just one.
*The current version has removed the quote by traditional historian Yaqut al-Hamawi whose discussion on the exact location of Najd pre-dates the current sectarian disagreement between Islamic neo-traditionalism and the Salafi movement. In fact, Hamawi pre-dates even the existence of those two sects themselves by about six centuries or so. He’s neutral to this.
My proposal is this: we restore the citation of Hamawi as the sober-eyed description of historical locations said to be Najd, and we leave the links to the two sectarian sources to cite the fact that disagreement exists. That way, no single religious movement’s beliefs will be represented as objective fact. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:40, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixing the lead as of June 2021

message: I suggest to people to research about the Companion who asked the Messenger of Allah to pray for his Najd: where did he come from?  This answer will open the true veil regarding the location of najd referred to by the Prophet. 
Some of the articles I've read, they saw the distribution of the residences of the companions at that time. they said that at that time there were no companions who came from Iraq, on that basis they were sure that the Najd that the Prophet meant was Saudi Arabia today (not Iraq).
perhaps we can also see from other sources of civilization that have interacted with the Arab region- through writing or ancient maps-whether they separate Iraq and Najd (modern Saudi Arabia). 112.215.65.104 (talk) 02:57, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest 3 method