Talk:300 (film)/Archive 13

message: No one disagreed with his addition so I added Zizek to ‘Controversy’. Talsal (talk) 17:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Slavoj Zizek

message: One glaring and obvious omission from the movie that I hope to mention is the 900 "armor-bearers" which accompanied the Spartans to their last stand if there are no objections.  They are referenced as "helots" in a Wikipedia article about Leonidas.  However, I'd like to add this without much dispute since the mention of the 900 armor bearers can be cited as far back as Herodotus' own account which is one of the earliest and widely held. -- Taospark 06:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reference that speaks about the film and the armor-bearers, then by all means, include it. However, any historical accuracy or inaccuracy has to be from a reliable, citable source speaking in context of the film. If you cannot cite it that way, we cannot include it. simply including historical references inserts us as researchers into the article and we are not allowed to do that, as it is Original Research based upon synthesis. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Helots, helots, who's got the helots?

message: I'ld like to draw one point out of the "historical accuracy" discussion which has nothing to do with any particular scholar, but with the structure of the article. After the lead, infobox, plot & cast, which are standard film article elements, the article mostly follows a chronological sequence: production and soundtrack, promotion and release, reception, status as pop culture icon. This is logical to me. What I don't understand is why "historical accuracy" is placed between production / soundtrack and promotion / release. This would only make sense if it dealt with efforts during production to ensure "accuracy"; but as the section has been written, it consists of a set of reactions to the finished product. It would make more sense to me as a subsection under "reception" or perhaps as a separate section after "reception." Thoughts? --Javits2000 (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am in agreement. Let's make that happen. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:01, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! --Javits2000 (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article flow

message: Hey what exactly is an uber-immortal anyway?
:It is what they listed in the cast credits for the giant-like monsterish member of the Persian Army as played by Robert Maillot (sp). His image can be seen in the poster under the controversy section. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:04, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While the Immortal soldiers were real, that certain character and name is entirly fictional. Stabby Joe (talk) 14:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uber-Immortal 

message: Should it be mentioned that this movie appeals to gay men with its masochist characters bearing naked chests and going at each other like in a WWE wrestling ring? Also, the ones throwing grenades in the movie are not soldiers but women, which is funny because the immortals weren't able to hurt Spartans, yet women with hand grenades blasts them apart no problem? Finally, doesn't the final scene with arrows remind you of the scene in Hero (film)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.86.20 (talk • contribs)   
:It should, if you can find a reliable, verifiable source that mentions any of that. Otherwise, it would just be your observation, and we aren't allowed to use that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is 300 Really Homoerotic? As this Empire piece shows, the concept of 300 at a gay film is absolute nonsense: it's actually a film for straight women. So stick that in your pipe (article) and smoke on it (edit). In other words, a worthy cite to implement. Alientraveller (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeal to gay men 

message: Do we really need a citation of who wrote the script or when Warner Bros released the official trailer? All of the citations make this page practically unreadable.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.47.208 (talk) 13:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we could see about tightening up "Promotion and release", but citations are essential to any good article.  The tricky thing about a topic like this is that it's really a hodge-podge of many different sources, rather than a "The Making of 300" book to cite at the end of each paragraph.  It's just the way some articles are laid out. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone complaining about WP:V? Alientraveller (talk) 17:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What's With The Overuse of References?