Talk:Kata

message: * Talk:Kata (martial arts) – Kata (martial arts) → Kata – This is the main use of "kata", previous content of Kata has already been moved to Kata (disambiguation).  — Mangojuice 17:34, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support as proposer.  Kata was formerly a disambiguation page; I have moved it to Kata (disambiguation).  I expect this to be uncontroversial.  Mangojuice 17:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested Move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support as proposer.  Kata was formerly a disambiguation page; I have moved it to Kata (disambiguation).  I expect this to be uncontroversial.  Mangojuice 17:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I recently added a stub on Kopasho, an Indian kata which makes liberal use of animal imitations.  It is a splendid kata and deserves a much better page than mine.  If any more information or photos could be added, that would be an extraordinary assistance.
Sincerely,
Mbrutus 21:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kopasho]] 

message: As a taekwondo instructor, I know for a fact that katas(or as I call them forms) do teach the students something.  They are the martial art.  They aren't done for tradition's sake, katas and forms were the only way of preserving the martial art during the many times in history when martial arts where banned in their respective country.  The forms themselves are all the techniques of the particular martial art.  In Taekwondo, all the kicks are found in ascending diffuclty with each belt.  All combinations of blocks and punches are found in the forms.  Another component of forms which make them effective as a teaching tool is that they enforce strong stances.  Without strong stances, one cannot have a strong fighter.  Kicks one can practice on a kicking bag, but one must practice stances in forms and how to transition from one stance to another depending on the situation.  Katas are the omnibus of the respective martial art, they are the indicator of the level of compitency in their repsective art.  To perfect a kata is to master the martial art.  It is true that katas have a ceremonial function, and many have themes like "mountain" or "lightning", and indeed many are beautiful.  They are part of the martial "art".  Another thing to note is that there isn't just one kata, katas are as numerous as poems.  Each one has its own mood.--Xlegiofalco 02:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebuttal to kata criticism 

message: Has anyone ever done studies that have analyzed Kata's relationship to "muscle memory"?  A golfer will make swings without hitting a ball.  This is to build/re-enforce muscle memory of a proper swing.  Although I have only a passing knowledge of martial arts I would imagine that practicing Kata builds "muscle memory" for movements that would come without thinking when fighting.  I would think that someone has done some sort of paper or study on this already and if so a reference to such work may be appropriate (if not there is a possible good field of study for someone). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bradford.Taylor (talk • contribs) 20:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the generally accepted major purpose of kata. If anyone can find references for this, it should be discussed in the article. Bradford44 16:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The reason for criticism is not that kata fail to build muscle memory, but that they build memories of exaggerated movements executed without resistance, and of combo movements that are for the most part not usable. Most reputable martial arts teachers will have a way around this problem, although approaches to it vary. Leushenko (talk) 16:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific Rebuttal to Kata Criticism? 

message: Hi guys! I propose to change the article name from "Kata" to "Form (martial arts)". 'Form' is an internationally recognized as well as culture-free term, removing any connotations to Japanese martial arts. (In fact, one would think that Chinese martial arts would be the 'big brother' in the realm of such Asian martial arts, but that is another matter.)
In the article "Form (martial arts)", we will provide information that pertains to all different cultures' martial arts. We will then proceed to provide links to the respective cultures' term.
Chinese - Taolu
Japanese - Kata
Korean - Hyung
The list will then continue with other martial arts, including but not limited to the mentioned Burmese, Indonesian, and Vietnamese.Ohnobananas (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "A system of basic exercises or formal practice used to teach and improve the execution of Judo techniques, devised by Prof. Jigoro Kano (1860–1938)."
I.e., according to OED, "kata" = "kata (judo)". This is not what this article is about. This article is about the concept of "forms" in martial arts in general.  --dab (𒁳) 14:33, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Kata is only the accepted English term when dealing with Japanese martial arts. People who are not practicing a Japanese art do not call it kata. Though I would propose that it be changed to "Forms (martial arts)". Livingston 05:12, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change article name to "Form (martial arts)" 

message: This article seems to deal with the concept, as talked about in Japanese martial arts ...with some reference to how it is referred to in non-Japanese Asian martial arts ...or how it is referred to in English, in non-Japanese Asian martial arts.
What about how it is referred to in European martial arts? Where English terms have been used, for as long as the English language has existed (or for as long as the martial art has existed), such as wrestling, boxing, stick fighting, knife fighting, swordsmanship (be it with medieval swords, broadswords, rapiers, sport fencing...) and the like?
There is a mention, in the lead, of the term "form" being used for non-Japanese martial arts, but I doubt that this is a term used (or at least one that is commonly used) in English, for anything other than non-Japanese Asian martial arts.--ZarlanTheGreen (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is in sore need of correct non-Asian usage.