Talk:Dean A. Hrbacek

message: *2.  Insertion of irrelevant information about Hrbacek critics.  There is no reason, in the Hrbacek bio, to report that one of his critics was censured by a Republican Party entity, or that another has an unrelated criminal conviction.
::ANSWER: This was not "just an individual" but a newspaper publisher who also dabbled in politics and used the paper and the media as a weapon.  The fact that she was involved in the political arena and had an obvious agenda makes the censuring relative to the reasons she attached Hrbacek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbgtx (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 February 2008
:::The publisher's alleged use of the media as a weapon is hardly a surprise -- that's what most media owners do.  If, as you contend, the censure had some sort of relationship to Hrbacek, then provide a citation for that fact.  Even if it could be supported, it's very peripheral.  The bio of Hrbacek doesn't really need an examination of the motives and criticisms of every one of his detractors.  I note that you don't offer any defense of including Matthews's unrelated criminal conviction two years later.  Can we at least remove that? JamesMLane t c 23:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The description of the situation involves the actual political process and attacks that were specifically political in nature in support of Hrbacek's opponent.  The attacks called Hrbacek's character into question and therefore it is totally appropriate to describe the character of those doing the attacking.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbgtx (talk • contribs) 21:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't appropriate.  It's an ad hominem argument that tells the reader nothing about Hrbacek.  (This article is a Hrbacek bio, not a campaign article, remember?)  Our Hrbacek article doesn't even say what Matthews's attacks were, other than the "Osama" silliness.  I'm sure he had other bad things to say about Hrbacek.  We're not giving the full blow-by-blow of his attack on Hrbacek's character, so there's certainly no reason to go into matters about Matthews's character. JamesMLane t c 01:46, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So if I am to understand, in any attack, no matter how unfounded or potentially libelous, it is ok in a bio to describe the attacks in detail but NOT to describe the character or background of the attackers?  A defense attorney would be proud of that position but it seems that the attackee is at a slight disadvantage and whether there were a lot or few negative comments is irrelative when you maintain there is no reason to describe the attackers.Jbgtx (talk) 04:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments regarding editor of the community newspaper, the ''Fort Bend Star''

message: *4. Puffery.  I didn't even bother to tag one sentence, but simply removed it: "Hrbacek's leadership and efforts with State and Federal agencies were valuable in accelerating the timeline of the project to expand US Highway 59, which runs through the center of the city, by over 10 years ahead of schedule to relieve congestion on the freeway in rapidly expanding Fort Bend County."  This is obvious POV.  With an appropriate citation, some reference to this aspect of his mayoralty could be considered for inclusion, but it would have to be worded neutrally.
::ANSWER" Statement of fact noted in many local media sources.  Obvious ignorance of the local landscape by the critic.  Occured during Hrbacek's administration and with his input.  If term leadership is considered biased, hard to find another word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbgtx (talk • contribs) 20:23, 28 February 2008
:::If it's noted in many sources then provide one of them.  Under WP:CITE, the burden is on the person who wants to include the assertion.  Your attack on my alleged "ignorance" doesn't override that rule (although it does arguably violate another rule, WP:NPA).  Furthermore, you should not remove "citation needed" tags just because you personally happen to believe that the tagged sentence is true.
:::Even with citations, some of these statements would need to be reworded more neutrally.  For example, in the sentence I labeled "puffery", the most obviously biased term is "valuable", not "leadership".  Here again, find a citation from a reliable source and we can consider what phrasing of the information would comply with WP:NPOV. JamesMLane t c 23:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that a lot of semantics are being split here As mayor, Hrbacek lead the city.  That made him the designated leader of the city.  He lead the city discussion in the project which was good for the city.  Valuable seems like an appropriate word and not "puffery".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbgtx (talk • contribs) 21:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You believe the project was good for the city.  Fine, you're entitled to think so; I'm sure there are people who disagree, and they're also entitled to their opinions.  Wikipedia doesn't take sides on such matters.  Under WP:NPOV, we report the significant opinions without adopting them. JamesMLane t c 03:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So you are saying someone in charge when major accomplishments occurred should not be given any credit because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE might disagree, yet a minor negative should be given MAjOR coverage?Jbgtx (talk) 04:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-neutral POV

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