Talk:Zechariah (New Testament figure)

message: The page was recently moved from Zechariah (priest) to Zechariah (New Testament figure), but this was reverted today for lack of evidence that the Old Testament prophet was a priest. IMHO, even though "Zechariah (priest)" was my idea several years ago, the name "Zechariah (New Testament figure)" was an improvement in clarity, and I would support putting it back there. As for Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), he probably was also a priest, and this is referred to in the article. – Fayenatic London 18:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move in 2013

message: Prophets in the Qur'an template should go the Islamic view of Zechariah article. The last paragraph has a link to this article (Zakariya), but we could add a "see also" link if someone sees it appropriate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oriolpont (talk • contribs) 09:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the minimum this article should have a visible link to Islamic view of Zechariah, but it seems to me that the template should be restored as a concise and encyclopedic navigation aid.  I think all the other articles on the template have it, apart from Jesus and Elisha from which it was recently removed without explanation by a one-edit anon. Restoring it in that article and this one, pending further discussion here. - Fayenatic (talk) 13:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Islamic view of Zechariah, like Zechariah in Islam, now redirects to a specific section in this article. Leo1pard (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic view of Zechariah 

message: The Zechariah mentioned in Baha'u'llah's Summons of the Lord of Hosts is NOT this Zechariah (priest), the father of John the Baptist, but the earlier Hebrew prophet of this name. Section moved to Zechariah (Hebrew prophet), "a prophet of the kingdom of Judah"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keislar (talk • contribs) 14:43, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baha'i faith 

message: Leslie Weatherhead suggests that Zechariah might have been the biological father of Jesus - see http://DLMcN.com/weatherhead.html ... Some members of the Unification Church subscribe to that view. Is that worth a mention? --DLMcN (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like WP:FRINGE. Bermicourt (talk) 12:02, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virgin Birth 

message: Leo1pard (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page views 

message: Shaam (, Ash-Shâm) is a region that includes the modern countries of Syria and Lebanon, and the land of Palestine.Article "AL-SHĀM" by C.E. Bosworth, Encyclopaedia of Islam, Volume 9 (1997), page 261. The term 'Levant' can mean either this region, or in a broader sense, include other places, such as Iraq. Leo1pard (talk) 04:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Region 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:23, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Zechariah (New Testament figure) →  – This page is being needlessly disambiguated with an unconcise and unnatural parenthetical classification when there is a totally natural disambiguating page title of "Zacharias" available and simply acting as a redirect to the Zechariah disambiguation page. While the name Zacharias is obviously derived from "Zechariah", the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of this specific spelling is the New Testament figure, as it is a version of the name created by way of Christian Bible translations. Hence, tertiary sources such as the Easton's Bible Dictionary (a public domain source for this page) have separate entries for Zacharias and Zechariah. I propose naturally disambiguating here, per WP:NCDAB, which prefers natural disambiguation over parenthetical disambiguation (and is doubly applicable here, given the particularly unconcise and unnatural parentheses). Iskandar323 (talk) 07:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Modern English has -h. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "Zacharias" with an "a" for the second letter, not just an "h". Iskandar323 (talk) 18:09, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is not. Please look in modern English sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:41, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't asserted that Zacharias is only called Zacharias and not Zechariah, only that where "Zacharias" appears that it predominantly refers to the figure in Luke. Yes, you can find Bible translations that use Zechariah for both, just as the King James Bible uses "Zacharias" for Luke, and "Zechariah" for "Zechariah". This doesn't relates to what the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of "Zacharias" specifically is, which is the question of what "Zacharias" is used to mean where it is actually used. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:54, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: Relist, to discuss whether "Zechariah" or "Zacharias" is the common name, and if it is Zechariah whether Zecharias is sufficient common to be used as natural disambiguation. BilledMammal (talk) 13:30, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Comment: I've just posted this directly to various WikiProject talk pages/noticeboards for additional input, so if prospective closers could leave it for another day or two, that would be appreciated. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:27, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I just don't see how your proposal is an improvement, it might be even more confusing for readers searching up for the prophet. Jerium (talk) 13:14, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The prophet's book itself is called the Book of Zechariah extremely consistently, so I don't imagine there is a high chance of reader confusion or searches for the prophet under the much more rarefied alternative spelling for the old testament figure. If you Google search Zacharias, meanwhile, the suggested wiki profile is the new testament figure ... presumably because the algorithms know better based on the balance of sources. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:00, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 August 2023 

message: The redirect Zakariya(New Testament figure) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Steel1943 (talk) 22:24, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Zakariya(New Testament figure)]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]