Talk:Macau Grand Prix

message: To give you my opinon, I say we should only include what is important, the winner of the main three races (F3, Guia and motorcycle), which the race have largely been centered on the most. If we add the GT Cup, which I doubt would last long like most support races, we may as well include winners of every support races there is that came and gone, inlcuding the Jackie Chan Cup, which is a Pro-Celebrity race. Donnie Park (talk) 21:28, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we to include these (less than significant and recently introduced) support races, especially the GT Cup which which replaced the Carrera Cup, which in turn replaced the Supercar race (which had a history spanning over 15 years); we may be well include the Interport and CTM race which had a longer history. Donnie Park (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree, F3 (or leading open wheel), Touring Car and leading Bike only. That's why the FBMW stuff got PRODed. --Falcadore (talk) 19:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of winners 

message: Given that the first Formula Pacific race was run in New Zealand in 1977 (refer Formula Pacific) and that the Chronolgy page on the official website first mentions Formula Pacific in relation to the 1977 race (refer MGP Archive > Chronology > Decades of History) can we say that it was a Formula Pacific race from 1974? GTHO (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is part of why I don't like the use of the term Formula Brabham. It confuses the issue when you have two names for the same category. It was probably Formula Atlantic since many of Macau drivers and teams have travelled from Europe. In later years since the race dominated by cars no belonging to F-Pacific series why not retro-active back date the labelling of F-Pacific since it was the same regs. --Falcadore (talk) 00:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

text: While Formula Atlantic or Formula Atlantic plus invited cars is probably the correct answer, we should never invent something like Formula Libre (1600). If you don't know, then don't do it. --Falcadore (talk) 05:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken, however I will say that calling it Formula Pacific, we are inventing history... From the "Old Racing Cars" link I sent it implies that the race wasn't run to any formula "Races in South East Asia were generally limited to 1600cc from 1973 onwards until the Macau GP formally adopted Formula Pacific in 1977". I am under the impression (and I say this with no particular confidence or justification) that if a race is run without any particular rules, just an engine restriction or something like that, then it would be Formula Libre. But I take your point, my suggestion is not the right answer, but neither is leaving it as-is. A7V2 (talk) 06:51, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

text:  (added later) - Realistically, I think this is a bigger tangle than it's worth the time to untangle... After looking around I think trying to find a definite answer is a lost cause. The Malaysian Grand Prix article has similar questionable use of Formula Pacific, the Singapore Grand Prix article lists it as Formula Libre all years, and yet for the 1973 article it mentions the cars were Australian Formula Two?? On the MotorSportMagazine database, the Macau GP for 1974-82 is listed under "Non-championship Formula Pacific / Atlantic" here. And then in the Old Racing Cars article about Australian F2 it mentions Macau adopting "almost identical Formula Pacific in 1975", with NZ following in 1976. And in my Australian Motor Racing Yearbook 1981/82 there's an article about F Pacific that mentions NZ entering a "brave new world" by going it alone with "Formula Atlantic/Pacific". I think it's safe to conclude that it's all a muddled mess, so it doesn't really make all that much difference! A7V2 (talk) 07:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formula Pacific from 1974? 

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message: The article claims that it is only one of two races that have the Grand Prix title that are non-Formula One. It claims that the New Zealand Grand Prix is the only other. Is there a reason why the Grand Prix of Pau is not included or is it a mistake that needs correcting? Nerdfighter Reed (talk) 09:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: On New Zealand Grand Prix it says "It is one of only two current national Grand Prix events that are not part of the Formula One World Championship, the other being the Macau Grand Prix." with a citation to a broken link of the New Zealand GP website. I don't know the details of the Grand Prix "title", but I'm quite sure that they are currently the only national Grand Prix which aren't Formula One races. A7V2 (talk) 10:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

text: But that presumes Macau is a nation, which is it not recognised as or claims to be. It is only a semi-autonomous region and is not a nation. I think that the quote "Along with the New Zealand Grand Prix, the race is one of only two non-Formula One events to receive the Grand Prix title." from the article is problematic even if we specify it as a national Grand Prix. Given this, would anyone be offended if I remove it until we can figure out what it is actually meant to say to ensure accuracy in the article? Nerdfighter Reed (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I know I've definitely heard this "fact" thrown around by commentators and such quite a bit (I definitely remember the commentry mentioning it on the 2019 NZ GP broadcast at least once). Exact definitions asside, there's no denying that Macau is considered to be a country/nation in many contexts. It could be, for example, that what is meant by National Grand Prix is a GP organised by a national FIA representative, which Macau may well have. Anyway, I certainly don't have a problem with you removing the sentence from this article, since there's no citation anyway. A7V2 (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Prix Claim 

message: I found https://web.archive.org/web/19980612140337/http://www.macau.gov.mo/mac4/cartaz.html
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:29, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990s Macau government page 

message: Does "Macau Grand Prix" refer to Macau Grand Prix race weekend or to Macau Formula Three Grand Prix? The article lede muddles the two. jnestorius(talk) 10:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm raising this issue on WP:Motorsport -- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#Macau Grand Prix. At best, this article is suffering from an identity crisis. An example of wha happens when too many Wikipedia editors writes it. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:42, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

text: It should refer to the weekend. The Grand Prix event itself can be F3 or motorcycle. RealSuperlemon (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two different things 

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