Talk:Mobico Group

message: The Group HQ is in London, and the Coach operations HQ is in Birmingham, shouldn't London be put as HQ?  79.67.87.129 (talk)
:This particular point is misleading on both the Group article and the Coaches article - they both need to be made much clearer IMHO. --78.32.143.113 (talk) 09:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Headquarters

message: I have put a requested move for National Express. See Talk:National Express. Simply south (talk) 00:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: A debate prompted by the 2007/8 rebranding had produced a requested move. The move above did not attract any discussion, and has resulted in a move anyway. This has resulted in:
*This page is unchanged as the NX group page
*National Express is now a redirect to this page
*National Express Coaches is now the true title of the UK express coach co. formerly under the National Express title.
The move is now relisted (19 Feb)</br>MickMacNee (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *A better pic showing the UK sub-branding for non coach operations, note the prominent definer, West Midlands  MickMacNee (talk) 18:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: *I am also concerned that this logo [] appears to be a user made combination, extrapolated from the website. MickMacNee (talk) 18:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The fact you re-arranged it is what I was getting at. If you want to take it literally, it appears only one entity will have vehicles branded National Express with no qualifier. WP has a policy regarding common usage of names. The reason that NXG is applying the name to other UK companies is because of the recognition the name gets, created by the association with the original (and continuing) coach operation called National Express. MickMacNee (talk) 19:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I disagree. As per this page on the group website , the coach operator is legally National Express Limited, and uses just National Express as a logo without the qualifier Coach. This is in contrast with the logo and legal name of gner as National Express East Coast . Coach does not stand up in both use in public sight or legally. MickMacNee (talk) 20:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but the brand is clear from the logo at the top of the website- NX Coach. Again, they are less in a rush to fully rebrand the coaches as they have been known as NX for years. Btline (talk) 20:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they are not going to add Coach to the coaches, unless you have information otherwise. The vehicle livery, legal identity and common knowledge uses all pass WP:NAME. MickMacNee (talk) 21:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything else is fine, but I would have to agree with MickMacNee that National Express should redirect to National Express Coaches, with a disambiguation note. National Express has been the name of the coaches for decades, as had National Express Group the parent company's name. The coaches are not being rebranded with "coach", I saw one in the new livery with "national express" in massive letters. As MickMacNee says, it is everything else that is getting a strapline. Whoever said that the "coach" will be kept with the "national express" name is wrong, as shown here. The logo is distinctly by itself, in full view at the top, all it says is "Coach Timetable" below it. This is in contrast to the East Coast rail timetable, which has the national express name at the bottom. -- Arriva436 (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Your assertion that users want the group when they request National Express is pure original research, there are clear procedures for proving the common usage of a term, but it seriously should not need to be done here, especially as the group has hardly even begun re-branding. National Express also mis-represents the foreign operations that are not being re-branded. Finally, it is yoiu that is asserting that NX has a NXcoach logo, it does not, the logo is your creation, what is on their website is two separate images, for very obvious reasons. MickMacNee (talk) 01:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Plus, it is not a single logo, you have created the logo by putting the two separate images together. MickMacNee (talk) 01:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm going to seek more opinions from some policy minded people. MickMacNee (talk) 01:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: c2c is operated by National Express, theres no National Express in front of c2c.Likelife (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: UK Transport wiki has a disambig page. MeMyself and Iwith the UK Transport Wiki 15:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Status of the National Express page

message: Above is the status of the discussion prior to Rfc. Basically, National Express Group has decided to rebrand all UK companies (there are foreign ones to be unnaffected) to the National Express name, built on the good faith of the historical name National Express, which is/was a coach company from which the group expanded. There previously existed articles on the group National Express Group and the coach operation National Express. As the rebranding started, it was suggested, and as unnopposed, done, to move National Express to National Express Coaches, and redirect National Express to National Express Group. This redirect is now in dispute, as it appears, unlike all the other companies, there is not going to be a large qualifier in the name of the coach operation, it is remaining as National Express, although obviously the National Express name is now going to get more exposure from the other companies. So, how to apply common usage as to where the National Express article name points to? Base it on the prior common usage and arguably continuing usage as the coach company, or the future use as a UK group, or a disambiguation page listing all NEG operations (about 10-15). It is asserted by Btline that National Express Coach (not coaches) is a sub-brand, the evidence for this is contested. Comments... MickMacNee (talk) 02:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: c2c is operated by National Express, theres no National Express in front of c2c.Likelife (talk) 15:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: UK Transport wiki has a disambig page. MeMyself and Iwith the UK Transport Wiki 15:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment

message: The image :Image:Stanstedxpresslogo.gif is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
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This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --08:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem fixed. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 08:43, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Stanstedxpresslogo.gif

message: The srticle says that National Express aquired Eurolines, but the linked article on Eurolines says "Rather than being a single company, Eurolines is a network of co-operating bus companies from all over Europe", which is true, and therefore "Eurolines" cannot be owned be somebody. It must have something else (perhaps a British Company participating in the Eurolines network) which was aquired by National Express.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.211.197.133 (talk) 09:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Eurolines

message: How should we handle the rebrand? At the time of writing, the article has been moved from National Express to Mobico Group, but the issue is everyone knows it as National Express and NX is still the brand name. I think this is a very clear-cut case of WP:COMMONAME because most people just type 'National Express' into the search bar. Maybe have a seperate article for brand and parent company, or just have one National Express article? But the way it is currently being handled is in my opinion the worst, especially because its logo hasn't changed, it's only the parent company that's rebranded!!! Sausagea1000 (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am OK with it as it is. I suspect the company will grow the new brand and I don't favour an additional article for the old brand. Dormskirk (talk) 18:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Mobico says [] that they will keep using NX as a brand, so unless they change their mind and change to Mobico, this is definitely WP:COMMONAME. Sausagea1000 (talk) 20:55, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a clear case of WP:COMMONAME. Reliable sources overwhelmingly use National Express, and that is what our readers will be looking for. Under the principle of least astonishment and given that none of the valid criteria for using the official name applies here, I will move the article back to National Express. SilkTork (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebrand to Mobico