Talk:Don Cossacks

message: This article should be conected to History of Ukraine, rather than Russia.
Cossacks, to begin with, were run-away Ukrainian peasants in defiance of their serfdom to foreign - primarily Polish and Muscowy occupation of Ukraine.
Don Cossacks, are Cossacks who settled the area of what is a modern day Russian Federation after anti-Ukrainian or Anti-Cossack campaign of Muscowy.
During that period and later on Cossacks were manipulated into service of Russian Empire - a cruel irony of Ukrainian history...
:POV statement...nothing more--Kuban Cossack 02:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Their traditional homelands (so far as is known from written references) is within both (what is now) Russia and (what is now) Ukraine.  There's a Cossack DNA project that's just getting started - I hope the article is revised as scientific data comes in.76.172.3.233 (talk) 20:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no "mere Slavs."  There are some predominantly "Slavic" markers on chromosomes, but there is no set of markers that indicates a Slav (pure or otherwise).  However, when a Y chromosome marker known to have appeared at a particular time in particular place (say Germany) appears in great numbers and in lineal fashion someplace else, since these marker mutations have so little chance of being duplicated through sheer chance, and if the second group is chronologically after the first group, Occam's razor says they are related.  WHether they were "Goths" is impossible to say, as the labels we use today for Germanic tribes are historically problematic (except in cases where we have written records and genealogies; it's not clear that the hundreds of German tribes viewed themselves as having strict boundaries - much like Native Americans).  Imposing current linguistic and political norms on the past is always problematic and a good article would reflect that complex background.76.172.3.233 (talk) 20:08, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

text: 1)There were Ostrogoths living in the Don area, but they had mixed with the Greeks, Alans and others locals who lived there and were in turn swallowed up by the various nomadic and Slavic tribes which inhabited the Wild Plain. From about the 15th to the 18th centuries Don Cossacks were mixing with Armenians, Greeks, Ukrainians, Turks, Persians, Germans, Kalmyks and others.
2)The distinction was one of status, not nationality. Volya, freedom to roam and bear arms, set you apart from others. One of the ways Pugachev gained a massive following was by promising volya to the serfs and other muzhiks, which were despised by Cossacks because of their servility. In "And Quiet Flows the Don" the worst insult Mitka Korshunov knows of is muzhik.  
Sholokhov was born long after the Don Cossacks had established themselves as a special group. Conservatism and closed-mindedness had set in.  Sholokhov wasn't of Cossack stock, his father was lower-middle class, had never even fought, IIRC, and his mother Ukrainian. AllenHansen (talk) 09:28, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If a candidate wasn't Pravoslavny, either by birth or conversion, he couldn't be accpeted. Religion played a far greater role than ethnos.
In the early days of the Don Cossack history, they were just forming, so, of course they welcomed anyone who wanted to join with them. Otherwise, you'd be small and weak and would die on the frontier. As years went by, their power and rights increased, so they became less-inclined to accept others. Make sense? AllenHansen (talk) 10:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: In the International reaction to the 2008 South Ossetia war article, reference is made to the ataman of the Don Cossacks Host.  So why is this whole article in the past tense, if the Don Cossacks Host still exists?  Scolaire (talk) 18:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: Why are Cossack political entities called 'hosts'? Are these clans, states, or something in between? According to the Oxford English Dictionary, 'host' is an archaic term for 'army'---is that the sense involved here? MJM74 (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
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