Talk:Patriarchy (anthropology)

message: There seems to be no source that justifies having two separate articles on the same concept.--SummerWithMorons 18:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two articles? 

message: The two tables list the same groups and should be combined, futher the second table is a quotefarm and should be labeled as such. Neitherday 12:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this discussion involves both of the two articles that use these tables, it should be centralized to Template talk:Patriarchy (ethnographies) Neitherday 13:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Combining Tables

message: Since the subject has come up, I just thought I'd drop a note that what constitutes an egalitarian society is not as simple a matter as one might think.
Helliwell notes Hadza and !Kung as egalitarian, and questions Iban as egalitarian. Male dominance, and even patriarchy do not prevent a society from being egalitarian, if by egalitarian we mean the standard definition of equality of opportunity.
Hence, an interesting study could be to observe gender distribution of labour in the patriarchal, egalitarian !Kung society. Are gender roles observably and systematical different in a way that correlates with general societal levels of autonomy for individuals? In other words, does big government promote divergence in gender roles, and small government lead to more overlap? What quantitative metrics could be designed to investigate levels of social autonomy or of division of labour along gender lines?
I bet we could find answers to these questions in anthropological journals. :D Alastair Haines 18:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the definition of egalitarian is problematic, especially in reference to the question of male dominance and patriarchy.  I think part of the problem is that the definition of patriarchy being used here is so broad as to include everything.  All it seems to take is one quote from a book-length ethnography and--voila--patriarchy.  Patriarchy is just as problematic a concept as is egalitarianism.  As it is defined here, male dominance and patriarchy are conflated.  The former can be situational without being structural (as in Vanatinai), while the later implies structure.  The two should, thus, not be conflated. Ntheriault 21:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Egalitarian

message: ERROR
The Wemale group are from Ceram Island Southeast Asia, Indonesia. Please change the PNG flag.
 I don't know how.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.71.134 (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wemale

message: I've added several appropriate tags, which reflect the unresolved disputes raised on this discussion page and at the one for the main article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Patriarchy
Ntheriault (talk) 14:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although merger makes the question of the other tags redundant, you need to provide a case for discussion. In a few days I'll remove the tags if you have nothing to discuss. Alastair Haines (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added appropriate tags 

message: This article falls into three sections.
#The lead -- a weasled version of material that could all be sourced from Goldberg, is inadequately cited but correct.
#A couple of sections of minority opinions from a feminist biased slant.
#A table copied from the main entry for patriarchy
Additionally, the page was opened as a POV fork, because another editor was insisting the feminist view point be dominant at the main page. The anthropological data and analysis is closer in line to historical and ordinary usage of the word patriarchy therefore it should have priority at the main entry. Alastair Haines (talk) 23:05, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Neitherday (talk) 22:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Patriarchy (ethnographies)}}]] 

message: I would like to repropose merging this article into patriarchy. Kaldari (talk) 16:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New merger discussion