Talk:Nudity/Archive 1

message: I could do it, have done it for other pages, but I'm too busy right now (lot of copying and pasting involved). See Wikipedia:How_to_archive_a_talk_page.
Also, I don't see a mention in Terminology of the terms "buck naked" or its later corrupted version "butt naked." Search on Google for meanings. 209.26.250.130 15:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page needs archiving 

message: By putting in one about Bush does not make a poltical statement? I thought this place was suppose to make npov
:That's not much more NPOV than the rest of the paragraph. And you forgot to leave the first quote mark in place, anyway. But it's not POV to say that people say that slogan, just to endorse that slogan. -- John Owens
::Here is my point there are about 4 or 5 other slogans why allow a cheap shot that is directed at one person
:::If you phrase it correctly, fine. -- John Owens
John you have restore my faith in this forum for now
Keith( also incorrectly spelled Kieth) don't ask
::::I disagree, i think that it is more pov than the rest of the statements, its also more vulgar.  further i have heard all of the others but not this one.  can we cite it as a popular slogan? Cavebear42 15:25, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, of course it reflects a POV; it's a political slogan.  And as for it being vulgar, again: that's the point of it.  I don't think any of them can be called "popular" (they're all protesting popular opinion), but I saw variations on the "read my lips" one frequently during the first Persian Gulf War. Tverbeek 16:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the problem with that slogan isn't the political aspect but... that it's only incredibly very loosely related to nudity.  The other quotes are about nudity... while this only necessarily implies a revealed labia which isn't typically what is thought of as nudity and there is nothing explicit about it... I'd remove it because it's not about nudity like "Nudes not nukes" is... and it's not advocating nudity like that quote is either... it's just a bad quote for this article, not because it's political. gren 20:53, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said the examples were supposed to be of people advocating nudity?  They're not; they're uses of nudity as part of a political statement.  You're right: a protest slogan that revolves around the revealing of shaved labia isn't related to nudity; it is nudity... "beyond social norms" as the section header states. Maybe the problem is that it doesn't translate well to just the slogan, and needs some description of the context. Tverbeek 22:15, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bush?

message: I question the adequateness of the statement: "Western culture has become much more restrictive about nudity for children in recent decades, presumably as a result of concerns about pedophilia and child pornography." (My emphasis.) I don't know, I admit that I really don't know, but I would suggest that it might be more a question of Anglo-Saxon cultural diffusion, and of dress fashion, than of genuinely changed views on the sexual value of pre-pubertal (or pubertal) children. Anglo-Saxons have, I believe, been more prudish than even Catholics on the Continent. I'm prepared to change the presumption.
As a support (admittedly a weak support, but the best I can come up with :) for my theory is my own experience: Why did my mates and I start jumping into the river in our underpants to take them off and lie naked in the sun while drying, when the Big Boys did it the other way round? Why did we continue with this custom when WE were the big boys? I can think of no other reasonable explanation than that being how our cultural models on TV did. (In TV bathing boys were often shown, but the drying-up part wasn't, and the bathing boys were never naked, unless they were from some backwards corner of the world.)
-- Ruhrjung 17:41 May 12, 2003 (UTC)
I think it is definitely more of an issue in England and especially America. In England the Victorians were extremely prudish about nudity. Even an ankle would have been considered obscene. Although it is interesting that public nudity in certain contexts was probably more accepted in the victorian era than it is now. people would often bathe in rivers nude. This was probably because men and women were segregated so it was acceptable to be nude in the prescensce of members of the same sex and also that outside 'polite society' most ordinary people were not as prudish as we think of them.
America is also particularly obsessed about sex. I think rather than being inspite of being protestant it is because England and America have been strongly protestant that nudity is an issue. There is a misconception that nudity=sex. Why should a woman's breasts be obscene? They are not a sex organ and have nothing to do with sex but are purely for feeding babies. Male nipples are not considered obscene so why womens? --Cap 11:52, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Western culture

message: "Once the universal state of mankind prior to the invention of clothing." Have the nuns been using those 18th century textbooks again? In the "Progress of Mankind" mural,  does this vignette follow "The Discovery of Fire"? Wetman 06:50, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Murals and art

message: If there's going to be a merger (independent of the question of what the title of the page should be), I would hope to see some of the material from Naked salvaged and imported into Nudity, rather than the other way around.  The former page is substantially less organised, not as well written, and has some material that really doesn't seem encyclopedic in nature (reflecting the existing consensus as best as possible), but more suited to an essay suggesting new insights into subject. (e.g. the "new inventions" section and the book reports). Tverbeek 15:20, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger with [[Naked]]

message: It was once explained to me that 'nude' is something of a natural state of being unclothed, while 'naked' calls to mind being defenseless, exposed, unprotected, unarmored against the world or viewers, a possibly shameful state.     Whether you considered yourself nude or naked would be a matter of rather significant psychological connotations.  This sort of difference seems consistent with the different etymological sources for the word.  Is this view not generally accepted? --Obsidian-fox 23:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nude vs. Naked