Talk:Fax

message: The alternative histories on this need to be reconciled! Mark Richards 21:31, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very old comments 

message: The fax is far older the then the electronic fax in this article. It came out the same time paper for thermal printing did. The first faxes were not digital. Basically a sensor was synchronized with the print head on a remote machine and the head printed when the remote sensor detected a dark part of the page.
:I know what you mean; I remember coming across an article on the history of analog fax technology back when I was an undergraduate.  However, I don't really have the time or energy to do the research and dig up the citations, especially since I'm trying to think of a better way to clean up the Lawyer article (I suggested the current breakup of the article now in progress and then someone else went and did it all wrong).  --Coolcaesar 02:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only covers electronic faxes. 

message: Why does facsimile redirect to this article? While facsimile is the root of the modern word fax, it would be worthy its own article. Just think of facsimile reproductions of medieval books! That type of facsimile has nothing at all to do with faxes! Lupo 08:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: * Oppose The two are different.  Faxes are so called because they make a facsimile of the document being transfered, and as the Facsimile article makes clear, books are occaisionally published in facsimile editions, whihc have nothing to do with fax machine. WLD 11:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Facsimile]] in to this article 

message: I found this article in an old Australian magazine called MAN, from the July, 1949 edition. The article is by Ray Heath, and constitutes the science section, I didn't finish copying out the article but this is the bulk of the relevant section and the rest is mostly concerned with imagining the ramifications and future developments of this technology. But I found it interesting, especially in regards to the information on this wikipedia article, for it's early date, it's claims that the technology was being utilised commercially in this fashion, and the fairly detailed descriptions of the technology. I'm not expert in the subject myself but thought that it might be useful to someone in regards to expanding this wikipedia page.Number36 04:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a similar article from the US: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,794158,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.79.161.1 (talk) 12:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fax article

message: Fax communications cannot be hacked,
OK, that is an absurd statement. How about something more reasonable. Such as, "less susceptible" to interception. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.153.24.120 (talk) 23:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would'nt it be nice if wiki talk pages had a thums up or puss/minus feature ? he he 2A01:799:322:B300:F98:C698:3C31:E61A (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  fax security 

message: Might be worth mentioning this word specifically, since it's used (admittedly in passing) in the original novel version of Casino Royale. 86.132.137.0 22:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belinograph 

message: Looking for an answer...
Back in about 1995 a junior co-worker of mine arrogantly informed a senior co-worker that "Fax" is shorthand for "facsimile." 
The senior co-worker replied that the Fax was invented long ago, 1930s or 1940s, and that FAX was actually an acronym
for something like "Frequency Activated Xerography." (I don't remember exactly.) Since then I have heard only references
for Fax as a "facsimile." Yesterday when I read some instructions regarding an order, I was reminded of this 1995 conversation,
as the instructions pedantically stated, "Please send us the information by Fax, which stands for facsimile, to the following number..."
Now I am wondering about the true derivation of the word Fax. Could it really be an acronym? Does anyone have an answer?  Maureen47 19:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Online Etymology Dictionary has it's first recorded appearance as 1948 as an abbreviation of facsimile. First attested use as a verb from 1979.Number36 03:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frequency Activated Xerography? 

message: Facsimile was used long before fax machines.  It was and still is used to reprint books cheaply. --Una Smith (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me crazy, but isn't that the same thing as a fax? I wonder if maybe you're thinking of a memeograph or ditto machine? --Shubopshadangalang (talk) 19:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to "facsimile"? 

message: I just saw the rapidly spinning drum described in the article on an episode of Adam-12 from late '68; they were using it to transmit fingerprints, and the show was pretty good about accurately representing the LAPD.  Does anyone know any more about actual uses of this technology? 66.93.12.46 (talk) 03:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-FAX machines

message: I tried to look up the standards for digital fax machines. ITU's site doesn't have any note of T.72 at all. Perhaps the list of related standards needs to be checked. (And I know too little about fax standards to do it myself.)
TobiF (talk) 06:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Couldn't find that standard

message: I couldn't find any mention of fax cover sheets, and Cover sheet covers an entirely different topic.  Mathiastck (talk) 20:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it really notable enough? It's not something unique to faxes after all ... books, magazines, documents sent by mail all have them, and the email to which DOCs and PDFs are attached to could be viewed as such... 193.63.174.10 (talk) 13:41, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cover Sheet

message: I believe the horizontal resolution of a fax or facsimile transmission is 8 lines per millimeter, or 203.2 dots per inch -- not 204 -- and is generally rounded to 203 dpi.  User spencerdr 18:05, 16 February 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spencerdr (talk • contribs)  
: Between this and the "1728 pixels" dimension mentioned, what's the truth? 210mm x 8 = 1680 pixels... so there's 48 pixels (or 3mm each side) going begging! Even though the top/bottom of the page seems to have a bit of an unscanned border whether at 100 or 98 lpi. Does the scanning resolution vary per region, btw? (I would expect its fixed in hardware, but possibly european / other A-series using countries have 8 pixels/mil and 98 lpi to suit the narrower/taller pages, and american-standard regions use 200 ppi / 100 lpi to suit both squarer letter-standard paper (giving roughly 1700 x 1150 pixels) and the leftover measuring systems of yesteryear ;) 193.63.174.10 (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Resolution

message: The article mentions that analogue faxes are obsolete, but perhaps it should mention that faxing is an obsolete process itself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.210.187 (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be fair comment if it were correct, but it's not. I've sent two of them today myself. They didn't catch on well in the home but are still a common business tool where mucking about with scanners, emails, attachments, printing and the subsequent delays and storage issues are just too much when all you're doing is, e.g., sending an urgent purchase order to a supplier who themselves need a legally valid hardcopy for their tax records. Drop the document in the fax, tap in the number, press go, optionally do something else for a couple minutes while it sends, job done. Think about the palaver involved if you're wanting to do similar with emailing it. 193.63.174.10 (talk) 13:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the country.  In some countries where Broadband hasn't taken as strong of the foothold (to the home), faxing is indeed still viable in some places.  It might also be worth mentioning that VoIP is causing faxing to be phased out a bit faster since many Voice Over IP providers do not support faxing services. Essentially, the very act of being able to fax over a VoIP phone line is still very hit-or-miss due to a number of variables. (Latency, total speed availability at the premises, equipment age, service provider's equipment, and the like. CaribDigita (talk) 20:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Greetings. 13 years down the line, and youngsters that in the US can buy a beer, dont know what this technology is. 
This is an obsolete technology. I was a front desk clerk at the time these comments was written, and I had to send attendence reports to a gvt. agency.
This system went the way of the 3,5 floppy. 2A01:799:322:B300:F98:C698:3C31:E61A (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete 

message: An encyclopedic article wouldn't start out talking about the technology - capabilities, resolution, "class", etc. This should really have a brief summary and the history, then be more specific as needed. 205.154.237.150 (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article order 

message: This article omits a discussion of CIFAX (enciphered facsimile). Nageh (talk) 19:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIFAX 

message: AIUI a faxed (signed) document carries legal validity much the same as a signed letter, is delivered instantly, and comes with the added advantage of a free delivery receipt. Which is why the daily receipts printout was religiously saved in some companies I dealt with. And since it's carried over voice circuits it's under the same rules that govern voice wire tapping. (There are still countries where those rules are pretty important.) Point is: I don't have good references, but since these are obvious reasons why fax will be around for a while (and why businesses push their VoIP providers to get fax going too) I'd like to request references for various countries. And/or work on the writeup so it can be integrated into the main article. Ask your lawyer if you keep one; they tend to use fax a lot too, especially to talk to courts when deadlines loom.  77.164.22.201 (talk) 19:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  help requested: note on legal status 

message: It seems that phototelegraph is an old term fror fax, I've seen it in old ITU-T recommendations, and in an old encyclopedia.37.60.16.36 (talk) 09:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phototelegraph 

message: Shouldn't we retitle this article "Telefax", which is, after all (as far as I'm aware) the "official" name of the instrument?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelli (talk • contribs) 12:03, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of the article 

message: When I was a child in the 1970's, a device called "Quip" was heavily advertized on WBBM radio in Chicago. The device was described exactly like a Fax machine. In the eighties when Fax machines became available from other manufacturers, they were marketed as if they were a new technology that hadn't existed before, and when I do a web search for Quip, it seems to have been erased from history. The only mention I can find are in the reader comments (not the main article) on this page. From the comments, it seems that many people that don't create informational web sites also remember this brand of fax machine, and it may possibly have been around as early as the 1960's. One reader comment mentions the smell of the machine, which to me brings mimeograph technology to mind.--Drvanthorp (talk) 17:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to Quip? 

message: Is there a universal method to determine if a fax has been delivered? The article mentions handshakes, but a section that explains confirmation would be welcome. Fotoguzzi (talk) 05:42, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fax confirmation 

message: "In Japan, faxes are still used extensively for cultural reasons."
Does that just mean "because people quite like them"? Is that really a reason? - IMSoP (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague sentence 

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message: Now that telephone Fax is only a topic of historical interest, this article could do with some adoption figures in the European and North American market. At what point did Fax machines become common-place, reach saturation, peak use, and then fall from favour. My guess would be (for most ordinary folk) mid 1970's, it was a pretty exotic piece of equipment (taking over from Telex). Early 1980's started to become more common place. Late 1980's mainstream. 1990's peaked and started decline in mid 2000's. Telephone Faxing is one of those things (like the cathode ray tube) that have passed, forgotten and somewhat unnoticed into recent history.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.145.109.73 (talk) 04:01, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Gvt. agencies loves them. This technology is (still) alive due to culture and legal reasons. 2A01:799:322:B300:F98:C698:3C31:E61A (talk) 20:03, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fax Machines Adoption Figures 

message: Anyone still editing this article?  A means to add coherence to the history etc is to include the history of the ITU- the difference between machines that were proprietary and those that had published standards, even if there were licensing fees.
Question today is about Error Correction Mode, which refers to this article. What standards had it and how did it work (in relation to fax data)?71.230.16.111 (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specific standards/features 

message: Did I miss something? What happened to the Telecopiers that used heat to write with a stylus and were on a roll and spun around? To send, you put the paper in a drawer and it wrapped around a cylinder and you put the phone  in the cradle. At some point you could just insert a telephone line in and it would work that way. To receive you had heat sensitive paper installed that was on a roll and the stylus would very slowly write what was sent and you ripped it off when it’s was done. They’d always curl. I’m sorry I’m not being technical but those machines were used for so many years in the 1970s and 1980s. I can’t even find proper photos of them on the web. This article should be deemed incomplete without a detailed mention of these and a photo. Pookerella (talk) 05:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Mention of Telecopiers? 

message: What was the first country to introduce fax 102.87.82.107 (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fax 

message: This section likely needs an update. It states:
because electronic signatures on contracts are not yet recognized by law, while faxed contracts with copies of signatures are, fax machines enjoy continuing support in business. (citation from 2012)
However, the linked article opens with:
This type of signature has the same legal standing as a handwritten signature as long as it adheres to the requirements of the specific regulation under which it was created (e.g., eIDAS in the European Union, NIST-DSS in the USA or ZertES in Switzerland).
At a minimum it should be reduced to "some government entities do not yet..."
-newkai t-c 23:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  History > In the 21st Century Section 

message: How to get it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.160.48.61 (talk) 02:14, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biology pp3