Talk:Johnson Space Center shooting

message: wow already up. Anyway should we be naming the shooter yet? what source are you getting for this?Hentai Jeff 23:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: What's going on?  The name keeps changing. Irdepesca572 00:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NASA refers to it as Johnson Space Center (or JSC for short).  So any article name should be based on that, not the full president's name.  Just want to put in my opinion here (based on the fact here) since it is unclear what the intended outcome of all these name changes and history merges is. 204.42.27.110 01:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: name changes

message: This is very relevant to this article and I believe should be included. If you don't agree state your reasons hereHentai Jeff 00:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not connected in any way other than date or proximity. Also please read WP:MOS for guidelines on how to write a proper lede. Copysan 00:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The date alone could connect them, remember there are copycats out there and I believe this guy was copying both, but only time will tell that. For the time being it belongs in here, I could also put in the Oklahoma bombing that happened on the 19th but I believe that one is a stretch, with reasons including that McVeigh and Nicoles didn't carry out suicide attacks.Hentai Jeff 01:00, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On what evidence do you base this belief? WP:V states that information needs to be verified before being stuck into an article. Let's get a source to say theyre connected somehow before we start speculating. Copysan 01:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What evidence is needed? it is fully relivent and needs no explanation. Hentai Jeff 05:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No evidence that there is any connection.  Without a cite relating these events, it is WP:OR to suppose there is any connection. Have deleted this "connection". Yaf 05:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Connection is implied and needs no explanation or cite.Hentai Jeff 05:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no connection.  Unless you can find a cited source claiming that there is some connection, it is Original Research on your part to claim a connection.  Yaf 05:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is stated fact that needs no source. Hentai Jeff 05:48, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are allowed to insert implied connections based on dates, then I propose we also add in the following events: Oliver Cromwell dissolves the Rump Parliament, Admiral Robert Blake destroys a Spanish silver fleet under heavy fire at Santa Cruz de Tenerife, The former King James II of England, now deposed, lays siege to Derry, American Revolutionary War: the siege of Boston begins, which followed the first battles at Lexington and Concord. Surely all these acts of violence are somehow related to this shooting! Copysan 06:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Columbine and Vtech 

message: Why an deletion? I wonder who purpose it. This shooting just happens on today. As the shooting unfold, more info will be pouring in. So no need for deletion.Chris 01:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read what it says. A history merge requires deletion and then restoration to fix the history page. Gdo01 01:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Its a procedural thing. What happened was a bunch of pages were created, and now we need to merge them all into one. It seems it will be this one. The deletion tag on top is asking an admin to merge all the histories from all the pages into one. (edit conflict) Copysan 01:04, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who on earth purpose another deletion 

message: I originally created this article, which was then moved to NASA hostage crisis and now it looks like the history of my contribution is lost. Can it be merged back in, as mentioned above, please? Ghost Yacht 10:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History merge

message: I'm copying over some discussion that happened on the William Phillips page. Copysan 02:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Striking anon's consensus.  Please register to take part in this discussion.  Thanks!  Stubbleboy 18:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge involved persons articles? 

message: I work in the group that used to include Dave and Bill.  As it happens, I'm writing this from the office that was created when they remodeled the office suite that used to include Dave's office.
In contrast to some reports, Bill Phillips did not live in "poverty".  He lived in a nice neighborhood.  Prices in that neighborhood are in the $150's.  mid-to-upscale neighborhood.  The reports that he lived in poverty have to do with the fact that he had little or no furnature, and spent very little money.  Before he came to JSC, he was laid off from Westinghouse in or near Baltimore and spent three years unemployed.  During that time his wife left him and he spent all his savings.  As a result, he put every penny he earned into savings while he worked for Lockheed, and then Jacobs when they won the contract.
Only two people were shot.  Dave and Bill.  There was no other person injured.  The CNN article referenced (2) is from the day of the shooting and is erroneous.
The other person injured, if you can call it that, was one of the many evacuated to the nearby fire station.  He experienced an anxiety attack, that some thought might be a heart attack.  So he was taken to a hospital and released later that night.
The portion about Dave is utterly insufficient.  Much was written about him in the week following the shooting.  I'll try to find a link and add to that paragraph.  I can't say it any better than his wife Linda did on some of her interviews.  My wife and I were with Linda the day after the shooting when one of the TV vans came to interview her.  It was the most amazing thing.  She was happy to talk about Dave.  Talked about their lives together.  They had been sweethearts since the 8'th grade.  Over the course of a couple of years they rode motorcycles to all 48 contiguous states.  They lived for a time on a sailboat.  Dave designed their house himself.  He was a wonderful man.
Likewise Fran is wonderful.  However she didn't wiggle out of the duct tape to alert the authorities about what happened.  She wiggled out after Bill shot himself so that the SWAT team wouldn't barge in and accidentally shoot her.
I wish all the memorializing that went on could be captured in this page, but I suspect that's too much to ask.  Both the on-site memorials and the off-site memorials were wonderful.  Bill's memorial was more sad than anything else, but Dave's were joyous, at least that's the way I remember them.
I'll spend some time coming up with edits to make to the page.  I'm not a great writer, nor do I have the references that I suspect will be required.  I'll see what I can do.
:--Watchingthedog (talk) 04:15, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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