Talk:Where Eagles Dare

message: I've mentioned that the Where Eagles Dare novel was written at the same time as the film.  Unlike other MacLean works, this wasn't a book-to-movie translation.  Observe how there was a film novelisation of the Bond film Moonraker for a comparison which bore no resemblance to the original Fleming novel. In this case MacLean was approached to write the novel for the film. Douglasnicol 13:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MacLean essentially wrote them in tandem.  A somewhat better analogy than Moonraker would be Arthur C. Clarke's role in 2001: A Space Odyssey.    Wasted Time R 11:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How written 

message: Given there's a spoiler warning at the start of the plot summary, I hope there are no objections to me submitting a full plot synopsis rather than the "teaser" currently in place? Brickie 11:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see why not. Go for your life!NiceDoggie 10:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good summary.  I corrected a mistake early on and noted at the end that there were two characters in the film that are named differently. Douglasnicol 00:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: "halted the dramatic flow" - it's a plot summary, it should be three or four short paragraphs at the most, not a detailed description of every scene. The cable car sequence should be shortened to "the heroes make their escape by cable car", even just "the heroes make their escape to a waiting aeroplane". -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 08:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: It seems to be using the book, as some of the names in the book were different.  The three traitors were Berkely, Thomas and Christenson (not sure if I've got the right spelling), whereas in the novel one of them was name Carriacola.  I believe as well in the novel that Rosemeyer and Kramer were not shot. Douglasnicol (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there are three characters with different names in the book from in the movie: Caracciola instead of Berkley, von Brauchitsch instead of von Hapen, and Torrance-Smythe instead of MacPherson. The last was omitted in the article. I have rectified that. Ptilinopus (talk) 12:18, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Can we then decide which to use, the book or the movie, and then mention it in the article? RISadler (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

text: When seen in British service dress at the beginning, Smith does seem to be wearing the 'flaming grenade' collar badges of the Grenadier Guards. The Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers wear similar badges, but those should have the scroll with the motto 'Ubique' underneath the grenade, which Smith's badges don't. Because he is intelligent and not particularly posh, the character seems more like a Gunner or Sapper officer, but the badges do suggest he's a Grenadier. Khamba Tendal (talk) 15:02, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary 

message: It is stated this is the last film Clint Eastwood made without receiving top billing.  I do not believe he received top billing for Paint Your Wagon which was made the next year.  Can someone please check this statistic? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.132.166.170 (talk) 20:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production Notes 

message: I've changed the caption of SS General to that of SS Colonel.  There's a few reasons.  IMDB credits him as SS Standartenfuhrer Kramer, looking up that rank on Wiki says it is the equivalent to an Oberst rank which is in itself a Colonel rank.  Richard Burton also says when talking about Eastwoods role in the mission in film "His mission was to kill you General Rosemeyer, and you Colonel Kramer".  Kramer when arguing with Major von Hapen earlier in the film also states "I am a Colonel in the SS". Douglasnicol 15:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He actually says, "whom you can frighten" :) Novus~enwiki (talk) 17:16, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Anton Diffring Pic

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Whereeaglesdare.jpg

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

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message: In a quote in the film magazine 'Empire', Tarantino described 'Where Eagles Dare' as his favourite 'men-on-a-mission' movie, and said that one day he would make his own 'men-on-a-mission' movie, but I don't think he actually meant that he would like to remake 'Where Eagles Dare'. Halmyre (talk) 17:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quentin Tarantino 

message: As the article stands now, it seems to conflate discussions of the film and the novel, with the novel itself getting very little attention. As closely related as they are, they should still have separate articles. As the originating work, the novel should be at the plain title Where Eagles Dare and the film article moved to Where Eagles Dare (film).--ShelfSkewed Talk 05:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing here is that if the screenplay and novel were written simultaneously, it's hard to pull the two apart; there isn't any "originating work" as there is for most MacLean novels.  The problem of the novel getting little attention can be fixed by adding a "Novel" section to this joint article.  I'd leave it as it is.  Wasted Time R (talk) 13:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be happy with that--even a brief section, accompanied by the appropriate Infobox with the original publication information. --ShelfSkewed Talk 19:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Arguably, the initial work is the screenplay. Elliot Kastner, (an American film producer) approached MacLean to write a screenplay, (for a WW2 story, that would sweat, that would involve a rescue), Kastner was apparently a big fan of MacLean's cinematic dialogue style. The screenplay was eventually delivered to Kastner in early 1967. It was Kastner who came up with the title. See Alistair MacLean - A Life by Jack Webster, . The book was published before the film was released, (first edition of the hardback is 1967), but films take a while to make.
Creekman (talk) 18:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed split 

message: The trench run sequence in Star Wars ANH is taken from this film and I am very, very surprised that there is no reference to it here. And not just the trench run but impersonating officers, shooting a radio operator beofre he can broadcast and the gunfight whether troops pour through an open door.Katana Geldar 03:32, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the Trench run sequence is taken from 633 Squadron not this film. Douglasnicol (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I think you'll find it's more from the Dam Busters, some of dialogue is almost identical
You would have to provide a source, preferably an interview with George Lucas, to show that Lucas deliberately modelled sequences in "Star Wars" on this film. Otherwise it is just supposition, even if it is obvious to you and I. It's good of not to try the typical "it is often argued that / many people argue that Where Eagles Dare inspired certain sequences in Star Wars" though. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 08:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: A wide search can bring in the 633 Squadron reference, but that might be included on that films page, I honestly can't see any connection to this film and Star Wars, both films that I've watched so much that I'm sure I could almost act them out word for word. :D  Killing a radio operator covertly is long a staple of any war or espionage film so that's tenuous at best. Douglasnicol (talk) 13:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Wars  

message: Hi!
Why does no one mention that helicopters (although already invented) at that time were nowhere in military use?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.141.198.188 (talk) 19:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Helicopters were in military use, albeit sparsely.  Look up the company of Focke-Achelis for their machines.  The U-Boats also had an engineless rotary kite (not a true helicopter) as an observation platform. Douglasnicol (talk) 14:34, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Helicopter 

message: This site: [] has the opening of this great movie.Agre22 (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Video with opening

message: I'd like to see something included about how this film is perceived by critics etc (as is found in many film articles), and a bit about its wider cultural impact - eg the way the famous line "Broadsword calling Danny Boy" has become an classic quote, and the fact that it seems to be regarded as an iconic war film that's often shown on TV at Christmas in some countries (and is similar to The Great Escape (film) in that respect). But I'm not the person to do this. Sidefall (talk) 12:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical Response and Cultural Impact 

message: This article is about the movie not the book. Why is von Hapen's characters referenced as von Brauchitsch as per the novel?  leaky_caldron (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed.  I also know that one of the traitor agents has a different name in the book yet the article uses the film names. Douglasnicol (talk) 01:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  von Brauchitsch - why? his name is von Hapen in the movie 

message: I see the writer of this article seen to have a problem with Sturmbannfuehrer von Hapen having combat medals.  Does it not make sense for von Hapen to have been at the front before?  He could have been wounded and then transfered to Ostmark where it was nice and quiet?
True, he shouldn't be wearing a dress uniform all the time. But then, in the movies, Gestapo men have almost always been shown in the dress uniform of the SS.  Plus, it just looks so much cooler than the gray everyday uniform, doesn't it? Openskye (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not just combat medals, its the sheer volume of them.  He also appears to wear WWI ribbons which is impossible given his age. -OberRanks (talk) 23:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are those WWI ribbons?  I didn't see them. Openskye (talk) 04:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The entire row below his Gold Combat Badge has at least four German kingdom awards which were awarded during and before WWI.  The costumers obviously got the most Nazi looking medals they could find for the character since he is cast as the sterotype Nazi in this film..."Strange...I seem to remember...zat ze cathedral was on ze OTHER side of ze square!" -OberRanks (talk) 04:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good eyesight, my man.  I hadn't looked. Openskye (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's wrong with von Hapen having medals? 

message: For someone to notice that Burton doesn't have a son. This is why Wikipedia is a joke. Lulz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.134.41 (talk) 00:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over 3 years 

message: What is the preferred order, that I mention the issue here, and then go and fix the errors, or the other way around? Or does it have to go through more channels?
21:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to entertainment refrence desk and ask there. Sir Stupidity (talk) 03:09, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't even have to report it - just fix it.  If you put in the edit summary what you've done - "corrected character spelling" for example, then that's sufficient.   a_man_alone (talk) 12:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Von Hapen's name is spelled with two P:s in the entire article, which is incorrect 

message: The movie has a character called General Rosemeyer.  I have established this at IMDb.  However, this article tells me that the movie characters SS-Sturmbannführer von Hapen and Ted Berkeley were named von Brauchsitsch and Caracciola, respectively, in the novel.
Is there any documentary evidence to show the coincidence where Bernd Rosemeyer, Manfred von Brauchitsch, and Rudolf Caracciola were famous German racing drivers in the 1930s?  Did MacLean ever state that he used these drivers' names intentionally?
Sincerely, SamBlob (talk) 17:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosemeyer, von Brauchitsch, and Caracciola? 

message: Filming began on January 2, 1968 in Austria and did not conclude until July 1969
- The movie was released on 4 December 1968 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065207/) , so could not have still been in production in July 1969!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.55.187 (talk) 00:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production Dates 

message: I heard that there were possible plans afoot for a remake, possibly directed by Danny Boyle? ("Broadsword calling Danny Boyle!?" ) Does anyone else know anything about this please? SmokeyTheCat 03:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-make?