Talk:Rainbow cookie

message: Another question - should this article refer to all cookies that are similar to the Italian flag-looking cookies (i.e. the ones without chocolate on top, the ones with different colors)? If so, maybe Rainbow Cookies is an appropriate title, and then the Italian flag ones should get a subsection... Thoughts? Luminifer (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Specificity

message: I found a couple sources that may or may not be helpful. This one calls them Italian flag cookies and says "These pretty bars, featuring the colors of the Italian flag, are found in Italian bakeries."  This source calls them Venetian cookies and says "These bar cookies are a staple for most Italian bakeries." Notes their bright red white and green colors and suggests they "remind us of the Italian flag or the vibrant colors of Murano glass in Venice". . My own original research suggests that the term seven-layer cookie also refers to other cookie types. And I think Napoleon cookie is fairly broad. Could there be a separate Italian flag cookie article (with see also links back and forth)?  Would that end this feud? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely! Though, since the recipe for both the 'rainbow cookies' discussed here and the 'italian flag cookies' you mention is really the same - depending on how you view it, rainbow cookie was (historically) derived from the italian flag cookie, or italian flag cookie is a (logical) subset of the rainbow cookie. I could see people taking issue with this - that is why I created the subheading for the specific Italian Flag cookie - though that just got deleted. What do you think? Luminifer (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In the interests of advancing our original research, I asked the resident Italian user:Giano about the cookies. He seems to indicate that they may well be an Italian-American invention, for what that's worth. I agree with you that the cookies all seem closely related and should all be included in one article and dealt with as best we are able. I see no issue with discussing the Italian-American connection for the cookie as it seems to be fairly well sourced. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:08, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One article - they are all the same.  Much too much is being made of the slight differences in one variety to another. Tvoz/talk 00:15, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I had text in there that suggested they may be Italian-American (as I was told where I grew up and where - I suspect - they originated), but J Van Meter removed that text. If I put it back with a CN (as it was originally) is someone going to remove it again? I thought it was common courtesy to leave CN's up for a little while if they aren't harming anyone. Luminifer (talk) 00:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I would be really happy if someone could find a source demonstrating these did not originate in Italy and are not an old invention (as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II there are too many anachronisms and such in the recipe). I can't find much evidence - or really any historical information on these at all. I will have to explore actual books once I am physically able, but here is the heads-up for anyone who wants to tackle this. I don't think the internet can help us here. Luminifer (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: * in the book 1,000 Italian Recipes by Michele Scicolone, the recipe called "Rainbow Cookies" on page 566 says "Though I have never seen them in Italy, these "rainbow," or tricolored, cookies with a chocolate glaze are a favorite at Italian and other bakeries in the United States." J. Van Meter (talk) 10:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not from Italy itself

message: If you are ....
A)American with little or zero Italian heritage, you'll probably say "Rainbow cookie"
B)Italian-American with Italian roots so far back you're basically in category "A", then
you'd probably call it an "Italian Flag cookie"
C)Italian-American who at a minimum, had a grandfather or grandmother who you spoke with in Italian or more likely in Neapolitan or one of its many regional variations outside of Naples, then, perhaps, you may remember a little Italian history and call them "Tricolors"
D)Either A,B,or C and you live in an area that still has pockets of people from "the old country" (i.e. Southern Italy) then you might call them "Tricolore"
E)you actually ARE a real bonafide born in Napoli or Campania 100% authentic descendant of one of the ancient Samnite tribes (yes I'm being ludicrous:) then you will probably say, upon alighting to the Bronx or whatever, from your little mountaintop village, and looking in the pastry shop window "che cazz' sono questo??" (loosely translated: what the heck are these??)
So basically, why fight over what terms should be included? As someone whose life experiences encompasses A-E, I see ALL the terms as valid. Nuff said. I hope. But it being Wikipedia, I have a funny feeling that this talk page will be at least 40x longer than the actual article, without much traction being obtained, in any one direction. Cheers, and have a cookie. Whatever you want to call it :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.176.112 (talk) 08:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the terms are appropriate,depending on your demographic