Talk:Conviction of Michael Shields

message: This page contains misleading information of Michael Shields' trial. It almost looks like propaganda for signing the "Free Michael" Petition. In particular, it contains obsolete information about Graham Sankey's contradictory confession, and false statements about Bulgarian legislation system.	 	
-	Please pay attention to this page!!!! and cite facts...
I will vandalize this page until it will base on pure facts published in english media institutions like BBC, Daily Telegraph.
: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.166.89.134 (talk • contribs) -- Goldie (tell me) 15:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: and later edited by 62.76.23.49 (talk • contribs) again without being signed. -- Goldie (tell me) 15:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial NPOV Issues

message: This article is obviously violating the NPOV:
* There is no single fact in favor of Bulgarian court's reasoning, or even a motive expressed in the court;
* If the "Tonight documentary aired" is the only source of all that long bullet-list then it is completely unverifiable. If there are other sources available they ought to be cited;
* The facts are utterly twisted - the court verdict in the article is dated July 26th, while Graham Sankey's written confession (can be found quite easily) is dated July 28th. Obviously the court is lacking a time machine;
* the source is misinterpreted - being a respected news source, the BBC have tried to be more neutral but that text is not included in the article:
*: "The evidence of Graham Sankey's confession as it stood had no weight whatsoever. In fairness, it would not have had much weight with a British judge either."
* Wikipedia is not a soapbox and the information about any "Free <someone>" movement is irrelevant here together with its Google hit-ratio.
Thus I am putting the POV template. -- Goldie (tell me) 03:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More NPOV 

message: I have erased some comments that are clearly biased and derogatory.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.59.131.37 (talk) 14:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page should be locked. 

message: "On 4 December 2006, a sell-out concert took place at the Liverpool Empire Theatre. Girl band Atomic Kitten reformed for the concert, which also saw The X Factor finalists Eton Road, singer Gloria Gaynor, comedian Ricky Tomlinson, Mike McCartney and The Searchers performing"
What does that have to do with anything? I am assuming it was a fundraising concert (although i'd be suprised if Gloria Gaynor had heard of the case!), if so please add a source and make it obvious what the concert was for. Pennywisepeter 16:37, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concert? 

message: It was doomed from the day it was written but now it's an affront to the standards and dignity of Wikipedia. I vote that it be deleted altogether. Robertcornell68 (talk) 11:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To be a bit more constructive, the statement, "Shields was then handcuffed to a radiator in the entrance of the police station for several hours in full view of the public and witnesses and was later picked out by several witnesses." Cites two references. One doesn't exist and the other Neither mentions this specific incident.Robertcornell68 (talk) 21:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added the word 'popular' to the line "In the UK, there is doubt over the safety of the verdict of the Bulgarian court" to move the article towards balance.  To me it looks like doubt exists only in the popular press.  There are no official doubts about the case. Hakluyt bean (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a disgrace 

message: opening needs improvement. article is NOT a biography so it shouldnt start 'Michael Shields (Born...)', since he is not notable - its about the convictionJw2034 (talk) 18:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening

message: I don't know if Jw2034 is a sock puppet but they are reverting independent changes  to this article.
::no sock puppet, but reverting unhelpful changes by unsigned. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (people). The only 'agenda' I have is that this article should not be a biography of Michael Shields, which you'd have gathered by reading the above message and contributing positively! Jw2034 (talk) 18:57, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV: agenda from user: Jw2034 

message: While cleaning up the article I noticed some discrepancies between the article and the source material.
*Sankey has no connection to Shields or his family but has been arrested for violent offences on a number of occasions in the past
This has a citation but is not backed up by the cited source, and I can't find anything about a criminal past (although he did confess to the assault, he was never tried for it).
*Furthermore, a source says that there is indeed a connection between Shields and Sankey, with Shields admitting that they were "kind of cousins" in court.
*The article completely misses the point that Thompson had been convicted of hooliganism and also confessed that he took part in the attack with Shields and Wilson.
*On top of this, Graham Sankey's legal team stated that the crime he had admitted to was in fact a different one from the Georgiev assault, and this is consistent with Sankey's inability to accurately recall the shape of the weapon used, and the fact that he was dismissed from the original enquiry because he had dark hair - not matching the description given by witnesses. 
Perhaps this article needs a whole rewrite taking the entirety of current knowledge in to account. I imagine that the article has been confusing because the information wasn't released at the time of writing. Now is the time to correct this. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 09:15, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article gives a fair idea of the trial and events. The above points seem to be added detail. The article is quite up to date. There seem to be very few citations that support the above 'points' Jw2035 (talk) 16:12, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The two listed citations support these points. That's why I linked to them. All the information I listed above stems from those two articles. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 15:48, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also point out that the current claim that Sankey is unrelated to Shields and that Sankey has previous convictions is not mentioned in the source linked to that sentence. Either a source needs to be produced which mentions this or the claim should be removed Nil Einne (talk) 22:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now removed by another editor Nil Einne (talk) 20:13, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual errors 

message: If you are an English hooligan, feel free to attack to anyyone whereever you go, you'll be pardoned and saved...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.3.224.9 (talk) 13:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
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