Talk:House demolition/Archive 1

message: this article feels like it should either be a subsection in the israeli-palestinian conflict or that it should be made far more generalized.
i also think the title is pretty absured considering "house demolishion" means preparing the area for new construction and it's not a direct meanning of counter terror response as this article suggests. Jaakobou 08:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

message: I think the article should be renamed (WP:Move) "House demolition in Israel" or "House demolition in the arab-israeli conflict".  Personally I think other conflicts could be in a separate article (or articles, depending on how much interest there is)  --George100 13:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it makes sense to limit the page only to Israel when there is relevant similar information on other countries (here's an example of US use in Iraq: ). We write the general article first, and then if it becomes too large we can branch it off per WP:SUMMARY.  nadav (talk) 14:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your suggestion is sensible, Nadav.  But we need to make the general general, and the specific specific.  What we can't do is keep setting up a pea-and-shell trick, where we pretend our topic is broad and general while sneaking in POV-advocacy hand-tailored for Israel.  6SJ7's latest edit restores this rhetorical three-card Monte to the lead.  I hope he'll reconsider.--G-Dett 15:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename article to narrow scope?

message: 6SJ7, can you provide a detailed rationale for your revert of the lead?  Thanks.--G-Dett 14:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this an article about Israel-Palestine or not? 

message: The claim that this tactic is used on a "small scale" elsewhere, and is controversial only in the I-P context seems to be OR. Until a reference can be shown that explicitly says that the use elsewhere is "small scale", I will remove this OR. It is also quit eevitent that the controversy extends beyond th eI-P conflict, see for example this Isarig 16:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbers speak for themselves. Israel has destroyed over 3000 homes, and Amnesty claims the US has destroyed 15. One is small scale, the other is not. Raul654 17:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see below.  WP:UNDUE, not WP:NOR is the relevant policy issue here.--G-Dett 17:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: I have by now added a source which explicitly says that the use of house demolition in at least one other conflict was large scale, "Part of a large pattern". To continue and claim, based on original research, that uses outside the I-P conflict have been 'small scale" is not only false, but disruptive editing. Please don;t do it again. Isarig 04:06, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not false - it's clearly obvious from the listed sources, which show that the US is accused of having desteroyed roughly a dozen houses, the Russians have destroyed a simliar amount, and the Israelis have destroyed 4,000. Raul654 04:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the source regarding the Turkey-PKK conflict explicitly says it was a large scale use. Please read it. What you are doing is explicitly prohibited under WP:SYNTH - you are taking statements made by different sources, in different contexts, and applying your personal analysis that X is reported to have done something on a larger scale than Y is reported (elsewhere) to have done, than "x is the only case of large scale" Isarig 04:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OR, again