Talk:World Trade Center station (PATH)

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message: I note that the Hudson Terminal has its own page, but the new Calatrava-designed structure does not. Usually I think that fewer articles is appropriate, but in this case it might give more opportunity to discuss the design and construction considerations of the project. Bangabandhu (talk) 16:54, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article for Calatrava construction? 

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message: It appears that the original World Trade Center PATH of the old twin towers was destroyed in the collapse of the towers back in 2001. What is there now is the new World Trade Center Transporation Hub, commonly known as the Oculus. The page name should be changed and the article updated. There's loads of RS to support this. SW3 5DL (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this page should be renamed soon. The Oculus station building is part of the WTC Hub, and so is the PATH station. This article talks about both. epicgenius (talk) 19:02, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page name needs updating 

message: "The current station has a temporary entrance that has been open since the temporary station entered service in November 2003. With the redevelopment of the World Trade Center site, the entrances and size of the temporary station have changed over time. The most current entrance to the station is located at Vesey Street, facing Greenwich Street and adjacent to 7 World Trade Center. The temporary entrance is a one-story building on the south side of Vesey Street with a Hudson News outlet and escalators extending into a lower level mezzanine."
I'm not familiar enough with the topic to make the edit, but it looks like this is referring to the old temporary station entrances. Dlthewave (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station Layout 

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message: According to this source, this station will be closed most weekends from now until December 2020. I think we should put some S-line boxes to indicate this. epicgenius (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service changes until end of 2020 

message: This article goes into way too much detail about the transportation hub and not the actual PATH station. Unless if I am misunderstanding something, the transportation hub connects World Trade Center to both the NYC subway and PATH trains. This article should cover the PATH station, a separate article for the transportation hub could be started or split. Aasim (talk) 18:49, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose The new PATH station was built to better connect the complex with the subway, despite still being a Port Authority Trans-Hudson station. The old WTC also included underground shopping malls. 𝑷𝒂𝒛 𝒆 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒄𝒐́𝒓𝒅𝒊𝒂 What's up? 22:19, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Oppose. These are the same thing. The transportation hub is actually only the PATH station and its entrance, which were built to replace the original station and entrance that had been completely destroyed during 9/11. As the section on the hub itself says:  The section on the hub talks extensively about the current PATH station's reconstruction, so it is not "way too much detail about the transportation hub".The subway connections are made through the hub but are not part of the hub. One of the subway stations (WTC Cortlandt station) is above the PATH station, so going from the PATH to the WTC Cortlandt station merely involves walking upstairs or taking a set of elevators. The connections from the PATH to other NYC Subway stations involve walking through the PATH entrance, the Oculus. However, the transportation hub doesn't actually include these NYC Subway stations and is just an alternate name for the PATH reconstruction process. Basically, any article about the hub will cover the history of the PATH station after 9/11, while any article about the PATH station would completely duplicate the hub article after 9/11, making a split unnecessary. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:23, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, looking at one of the older discussions above, it would probably be better to move this article to "World Trade Center Transportation Hub" rather than split the two pages. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:38, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Awesome Aasim and Paz e concórdia, would it make sense to instead move this article to "World Trade Center Transportation Hub", given the older discussion I mentioned above? Several reliable sources describe the hub as the current PATH station. Given that the article is focused on the hub, I think it may be appropriate to instead change the page title. Although this page also contains content about the two previous WTC stations on the site, railroad stations generally include info about past and previous stations on the same site in one article. (The Hudson Terminal station was on a completely different site and comprised its own development, hence why it's a separate page.) – Epicgenius (talk) 19:35, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Epicgenius, I think the title we have now is better because the article include large sections of info about Hudson Terminal and the temporary station. Also, PATH and the Port Authority refer to the terminal as World Trade Center Station.  𝑷𝒂𝒛 𝒆 𝒄𝒐𝒏𝒄𝒐́𝒓𝒅𝒊𝒂 What's up? 19:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

text: Sure, that seems to be a good solution. That title does a better job at focusing on the actual structure which houses the PATH station, and which connects to the NYC subway and the WTC complex. The current title implies that the WTC transportation hub is only a PATH station, which is not precisely correct. While yes, the transportation hub is a PATH station, it is more than just a PATH station. Just like while Penn Station is an LIRR station, it is more than just an LIRR station. Aasim (talk) 19:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, that is interesting. To your comparison Aasim, I'd probably equate this more with Jamaica station being an LIRR station, but not only being an LIRR station (since it has AirTrain JFK platforms as well). On the other hand, Jamaica is still mostly an LIRR station, just like the hub is still mostly a PATH station. The subway stations generally aren't considered part of the hub; only the connections from the PATH to the subway are.Regarding Paz e concórdia's comment about the article's concent, the temporary and original PATH stations are discussed here in depth, but I don't think these are separate stations, as they were on the same site. On the other hand, the content about Hudson Terminal should probably be condensed and used as background information for the two old PATH stations, because Hudson Terminal was its own development on a separate site.Concerning the name, a similar situation exists with three other PATH stations: Pennsylvania Station (Newark), Journal Square Transportation Center, and Hoboken Terminal. These are respectively just "Newark", "Journal Square", and "Hoboken" on the PATH. Given these parallels, I don't think it should be a large barrier to moving the page if that does happen. This can be addressed by slightly rewriting the first sentence in the "Station layout" section, with  in bold. – Epicgenius (talk) 20:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential split