Talk:List of Romanian Americans

message: Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnicity lists discussion

message: I have sourced the list in accordance with Wikipedia's Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Romanian" or "RomanianAmerican" (i.e. as opposed to "of Romanian descent", "Romanian mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the few people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:
*John Balaban, author, anti-Vietnam War activist, Poet-in-Residence and English professor at North Carolina State University in Raleigh, North Carolina
*Ely Culbertson - world champion bridge player
*Ioan P. Culianu - professor at University of Chicago, expert in gnosticism and Mediaeval magic - is he American?
*Brad Dourif
*Jim Fregosi - former Major League Baseball player and manager
*Art Garfunkel - singer/actor
*Hugo Jan Huss - orchestra conductor
*Alexandru Marin - physicist, professor at MIT, Boston University and Harvard
*Gheorghe Gaston Marin - Communist politician - was he an American citizen?
*Dominique Moceanu - US Olympic gymnast
*Claudia Moscovici
*Ion Mihai Pacepa - highest-level defector from the Soviet bloc - is he an American citizen?
*Fabian Pascal - consultant of large software vendors
*Vasile Popov - leading System theoryt and control engineering specialist; well known for having developed a method to analyze stability of nonlinear dynamical systems
*Gideon Rodan - biochemist and osteopath
*Jamie-Lynn Sigler
*Florentin Smarandache - professor of mathematics and science at the University of New Mexico
*Alexander Vraciu - World War II Navy pilot, ace
*Johnny Weissmuller
*Adrian Zmed - actor
Mad Jack O'Lantern 08:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need explicit sources that call them "Romanian-Americans" (or of course, "Romanian"). We can't use our own opinion of what a Romanian-American is or should be, and we can't use Wikipedia articles as sources, either, only reliable external sources (for obvious reasons). Mad Jack O'Lantern 23:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You can't post personal attacks or profanity against other users - that's why I removed it. What is your question? I gave sources for the ones that were described as "Romanian" or "Romanian-Americans", so they're included. If you find anyone else described as "Romanian" or "Romanian-American" in a reliable source, they should also be included. Mad Jack O'Lantern 23:07, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter what someone's last name is, or what their Wikipedia article says about them (unless that article sources that fact). I am strictly following the Verifiability and No original research policies that we must follow on Wikipedia. No personal attacks is also good. I won't revert your edits right now because I don't want to edge close to 3RR, but I will revert soon enough in accordance with Wikipedia policy. I've tried finding sources for the people who I removed, but couldn't. If you can find a source that describes them as what you want to call them, "Romanian" or "Romanian-American", then they should be re-added. Mad Jack O'Lantern 00:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: OK, here is why I removed the ones I did (I didn't look at them all):
*Art Garfunkel -  - first of all, this is Wikipedia. I mean the source you gave is Wikipedia - it's a copy of our article circa January of this year. Second, it says he is of "Romanian Jewish descent". It doesn't say he's "Romanian-American" or "Romanian"
*Adrian Zmed - same thing,  is a copy of Wikipedia
*Gheorghe Gaston Marin -  Answers.com is, indeed, also a copy of Wikipedia, though one of the most obvious ones. Wikipedia has so many mirror sites out there
Mad Jack 21:35, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: People I removed

message: The problem is red links. If there's a red link, there is no article and therefore no way for the Wiki community to decide if the person is notable or not. Mad Jack 19:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Red links

message: Lauren Bacall is notable, but Claudia Moscovici's references all traced back to her own pen.  Her own Wikipedia article was deleted today.  Gadgetry 00:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Moscovici

message: Is he Romanian-American? He used to live in France, Germany, and he has a house on the island of Ibiza, Spain, but there is nothing about America in the article about him.--Mycomp (talk) 08:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Cretu

message: In which way is she related to Romania?--Mycomp (talk) 12:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Michelle Deighton

message: Some of the sections here are in alphabetical order.  Others are pretty much random.  I think alphabetic order should be followed except when subject headings or sections or explicit chronologies (e.g. dates of birth and death explicitly stated in this list) dictate otherwise. Michael Hardy (talk) 04:06, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical order 

message: Editor Bull has just engaged in mass deletions, based inter alia on a peculiar POV that people cannot be both Jewish and Romanian (writing as his edit summary rationale:  "removing Germans, Ukrainians, and Jews who do not fit an ethnic/linguistic/or cultural affiliation with Romania").  I've reverted them, as his view on the subject is clearly, at best, "fringe".--Epeefleche (talk) 01:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bull -- if there is material that needs citations in your view, you can tag it.  But your reason for your mass deletion, as expressed, was that once cannot be both Jewish and Romanian.  That is clearly incorrect, and as such is not a basis for deletions.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "based inter alia on a peculiar POV that people cannot be both Jewish and Romanian."  Right, because apparently Andrei Codrescu, Norman Manea, and Valery Oisteanu (all still on the list) are not both Romanians and Jews. (/sarcasm -- in case that wasn't clear)  Go here: Talk:List_of_Romanian_Americans#This_article_is_a_disaster. I've repeated myself very clearly at least five times. Also, you have no sources that any of the people I deleted were described as "Romanian-American." Therefore, I am allowed to revert you per WP:RS.  Bulldog123 04:24, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there individuals whom you have reason to doubt are Jewish or Romanian?  If so, let's discuss them here.  Or is this just an effort to be disruptive, or take an IDONTLIKEIT stance, or advance some private notions that Jews do not as you put it "ft an ethnic/linguistic/or cultural affiliation with Romania"?  In any event, I encourage you to stop edit warring.  Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not our job to "discuss" who's Romanian and who's not. Bulldog123 10:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass deletions by editor Bull 

message: The inclusion criteria for this article are those people who are Romanian American as described in the :Romanian American article--the same as for all fooian American lists.   The inclusion criteria also is that the WP Linked articles OR citations on this page show the person is Romanian American by that article's criteria.  This is also the same for all fooian American lists.  It is not the place for a single editor without discussion or consensus to try to alter the inclusion criteria of this list or its contents.  Hmains (talk) 04:26, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, we don't make "consensus" for inclusion criteria. There is no inclusion criteria. All we need is a reliable source saying the person is a "Romanian American." Once you find that, we're good. Also, I'm perfectly within my right to remove such individuals without citations. Bulldog123 18:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a unilateral interpretation. It's been happening on X-American lists for years. And "consensus" does not overshadow "external reference." Once again, we are not "creators" but "editors." Bulldog123 15:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with Hmains.  And, as with all guidelines, we construe them through consensus -- not through Bull's unilateral interpretation.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the same interpretation you've been maintaining on EVERY SINGLE JEWISH LIST you edit, Epeefleche. Another instance of your blatant biases shining through. Bulldog123 15:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: *No use trying to convince the "unconvincable"... and clearly someone who makes statements like "There is nothing in the outside world that dictates what we write in WP" - should not be editing Wikipedia at all. Bulldog123 05:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion criteria

message: It is easy to do.  Start a discussion, obtain consenses for change if you can; change by consensus; do not change if no consensus to change.  Try it.   It is what WP is about Hmains (talk) 05:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See: . Bulldog123 05:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

text: *What agenda do you think I could possibly have? I'm just tired of seeing these lists being filled with garbage. Re-purpose the articles to adhere to WP:V (by way of removing unsourced material), WP:NOR (by not having inclusion criteria), and WP:BLP (by adding sources that only call people Romanian ... not 1/4th Romanian or "born in Romania")... which you should be doing instead of just en-masse reverting. Also, note that you are the only one reverting me (and I don't include User:Epeefleche since he's just following me around). This massive "consensus" you keep referring to simply doesn't exist. And even if it did, it wouldn't overshadow the fact that these X-American articles are completely dependent on external sources to exist. Those external sources call Romanian Americans an ethnic group not a "group defined by individual users making up criteria on Wikipedia." If NYTimes called Robert DeNiro "Romanian American" then I couldn't prevent you from adding him to the list... but they don't and they also don't call over half of the individuals listed here as either Romanian or Romanian American. This made-up criteria for inclusion is original research 101. You might not like my hard-headed approach but I have little choice (as you and I have been in this X-American revert war since 2008 and going the passive way didn't work then either). Bulldog123 19:13, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

text: *One more thing, Hmains. Look here: Talk:List_of_Romanian_Americans#Sources. That's from 2006... and even back then this standard for "Romanian" and "Romanian American" was being used... so why are you behaving like I waltzed in here with some personally-derived criteria when it's been going on for four years already? Bulldog123 19:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Hmains that rather than making mass deletions without consensus, including repeatedly deleting references, Bull would be less disruptive if he were to follow Hmains' suggestions.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Any attempts to reach you are met with the expected response: . Thought maybe I could reach out to you civilly but that was a bone-headed move on my part. Bulldog123 02:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: non-discussion, non-consensus changes

message: Many of the following names were bulk deleted from this article.  They can be re-added by finding reference citations in their articles or elsewhere showing these people or their ancesters were born in the country of Romania and applying those citations to this list. 
===Architects===
* John Eberson –  architect known for movie palace designs in atmospheric theatre fashion
===Artists===
 
* William Gropper – cartoonist, lithographer, and muralist (parents ethnic Jews from Romania)
* Beryl Korot – video artist
* Larry Lieber – comic book artist and writer
* Jack Micheline – painter and poet
* Abraham Rattner – painter
* Jean Rosenthal – pioneer in theatrical lighting design
* Louis Schanker – printmaker, painter, sculptor
* Saul Steinberg – cartoonist, illustrator (The New York Times, The New Yorker), publisher, arts educator
* Kenneth E. Tyler – master printer
 
===Business===
*Bernard Cornfeld – businessman
*Hyman Golden – businessman, co-founder of Snapple Beverage Corporation (now part of Dr Pepper Snapple Group)
*Joseph M. Juran – engineer, philanthropist
*Bernard Madoff – businessman
*Fabian Pascal – software vendor consultant 
*John Rakolta Jr. – chairman and CEO, Walbridge Aldinger
*Irene Rosenfeld – CEO of Kraft Foods Inc.
*Seymour Sternberg – Chairman and former CEO of New York Life Insurance Company
 
===Entertainment===
====Actors and actresses====
 
*Lauren Bacall – actress Maternal Romanian-Jewish ancestry
*Barbara Bach – actress and model
*John Blyth Barrymore – former actor (mother Cara Williams is of Romanian descent), he's also the half-sister of Drew Barrymore.
*Tala Birell – former actress
*Elayne Boosler – comedian
*Amanda Bynes – actress
*Christian Calson – filmaker
*I.A.L. Diamond – screenwriter
*Illeana Douglas – actress, director, screenwriter, and producer (Her mother is of Romanian and Italian descent)
*Fiona Dourif – actress
*Fran Drescher – actress, comedian, screenwriter, producer, activist (grandmother emigrated from Focşani; she emphasizes her Romanian origin)
*Rita Gam – actress and documentary film maker
*Jack Gilford – former actor
*Dustin Hoffman – actor (born to Russian father, and Romanian mother)
*John Houseman – actor and film producer
*Harvey Keitel – actor: Taxi Driver, Thelma and Louise, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp FictionHarvey Keitel
*Stan Lee – comic book creator, and actor "Born in 1922 to poor working-class Jewish immigrants from Romania."
*Michael Lerner – actor
*Mary Livingstone – comedian, and radio personality
*Jon Lovitz – actor, comedian and singer
*Elina Löwensohn – former actress
*Zoë Tamerlis Lund – former actress, musician, model, and screenwriter
*Julianna Margulies – actress
*Marisol Nichols – actress
*Natalie Portman – actress
*John Randolph – actor: Serpico, Prizzi's Honor. Tony Award winning actorhttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0709907/bio
*Winona Ryder – actress; grandparents were immigrants from Russia and Romania
*Sylvia Sidney – former actress
*Jamie-Lynn Sigler – actress, paternal grandparents Jewish immigrants from Romania and Greece
*Johnny Weissmuller – actor (Tarzan), olympic swimmer
*Elmarie Wendel – actress; Mrs. Dubcek in NBC sitcom 3rd Rock from the Sun
*Cara Williams – retired actress
*Ray Wise – actor
*Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. – actor; starring roles in television series 77 Sunset Strip and The F.B.I.
*Stephanie Zimbalist – actress; Laura Holt on NBC detective series Remington Steele
====Directors/producers====
 
*Stanley Kubrick – film director, writer, producer, and photographer (father's mother was Romanian)
*Lawrence Bender – film producer; rose to fame by producing Reservoir Dogs in 1992
*John Berry – film director
*Nathan H. Juran – film director, and art director
*Mitch Anderson – film director, producer, writer, researcher and editor.
*Arthur Caesar – screenwriter
*Irving Caesar – composer, producer, lyricist, writer
*Fred Hibbard – film director, screenwriter and producer
*Erwin Stoff – movie producer; manager of Keanu Reeves; producing credit for The Matrix. Co-produced I am Legend.
 
====Music====
 
*Herb Alpert – jazz, funk singer
*Ervin Drake – songwriter
*Lawrence Foster – conductor
*Art Garfunkel – singer, songwriter, actor, and poet
*Julie Gold –  singer/songwriter, known for Bette Midler's version of "From a Distance", which won 1991 Grammy for Song of the Year
*Jerry Goldsmith – former film composer and conductor; won five Emmy Awards (maternal grandparents were Romanian Jewish immigrants)
*Necro – hardcore hip hop singer
*Ill Bill – hip hop singer
*Justin Warfield – hip hop emcee (Russian and Romanian parentage)
*Hugo Jan Huss – conductor
*Lya Stern – violinist, recording artist and violin teacher.
*Michael Rabin – former violinist
*Richard Tucker – former opera singer
*Franz Kneisel – violinist and composer
*Boris Levenson – composer
*P.F. Sloan – rock singer
 
====Television====
*Matt Lauer – daytime Emmy Award winning television personality; host of NBC's The Today Show
*Suze Orman – TV personality, writer, and businesswoman
====Theatre====
*Moisés Kaufman – playwright, director and founder of Tectonic Theater Project
===Fashion===
*Michelle Deighton
===History===
*Ligia Filotti – political opponent, art historian, professor
*Juliana Geran Pilon – professor of politics and culture at the Institute of World Politics
===Lawyers===
 
*Morris Berthold Abram – former lawyer, civil rights activist, and president of Brandeis University
*Abe Aronovitz – former lawyer, and Mayor of the City of Miami
*Richard Posner – judge on United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, and Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School.
*Olga Murray – former lawyer and founder and president of the Nepalese Youth Opportunity Foundation (NYOF)
*Alexander Bickel – former lawyer, and professor
*Alex Kozinski – chief judge of United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit and an essayist and judicial commentator.
*Samuel Leibowitz – former lawyer
*Benjamin Berell – former lawyer, investigator of Nazi war crimes after World War II
 
===Military===
 
*Mark Wayne Clark – General during World War II and the Korean War
*Jack Howard Jacobs – retired colonel in the United States Army and Medal of Honor recipient for heroic actions during the Vietnam War
*Edward Luttwak – military strategist and historian
*Mickey Marcus – former United States Army colonel who assisted Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War
===Photographers===
*Annie Leibovitz – fashion photographer
*Marty Lederhandler – former Associated Press photographer
*Herman Leonard – photographer; unique images of jazz icons
===Politics===
 
*Martin Abern – Trotskyist politician (parents ethnic Jews from Romania)
*Mark Gitenstein – ambassador
*Louis Benjamin Heller – former Democratic member of United States House of Representatives from New York
*Janet Jagan – politician who was President of Guyana
*Chris Lauzen – Illinois State Senator and Congressional candidateAndrei Badin, "Românul care bate la uşa Congresului" ("The Romanian Who Is Knocking on the Door of Congress"), Jurnalul Naţional, December 28, 2007.
*Sophie Masloff – former politician; was Pittsburgh's first and to date only female mayor
*Alan Nunnelee – politician, serving as a Mississippi state senator representing Mississippi’s Lee and Pontotoc Counties.
===Religion===
 
*Vasile Louis Puscas – former prelate of Romanian Catholic Church
 
===Science===
 
*Albert-László Barabási – scientist
*Michael Freedman – mathematician at Microsoft
*Peter Freund – physician
*William F. Friedman – cryptologist
*Stanley Michael Gartler – cell and molecular biologist and human geneticist
*Daniel Goldhagen – political scientist, author, and former professor
*Alan Greenspan – economist
*Alfred J. Gross – pioneer in mobile wireless communication. Invented and patented first walkie-talkie, CB radio, the telephone pager, and cordless telephone
*Emil Grosswald – mathematician
*Nathan Mendelsohn – mathematician, researcher in several areas of discrete mathematics, including group theory and combinatorics.
*Nicholas Sanduleak – former astronomer
*Liviu Librescu – former engineer, and professor at Virginia Tech
*Jacob Levy Moreno – former psychiatrist and psychosociologist, thinker and educator, founder of psychodrama, and pioneer of group psychotherapy
*Peter Hammer – mathematician
*Robert Steinberg – mathematician at the University of California, Los Angeles
*Alexandru Marin – physicist
*Isaac Jacob Schoenberg – mathematician discoverer of splines
*Radu Lucian Sulica, MD – laryngologist, Associate Professor at  Weill Cornell Medical College
*Hermann Oberth – physician
*Joshua Perper- forensic pathologist and Chief Medical Examiner in Broward County
*John Charles Priscu – ecological researcher
*David Wechsler – psychologist
 
===Sports===
 
*Benjamin Agosto – figure skating (mother's grandparents were Jews of Romanian and Russian descent)
*Adolph Bachmeier – former soccer player, inducted into the National Soccer Hall of Fame in 2002
*Ron Blomberg – former Major League Baseball player
*Jonathan Bornstein – soccer player (father's grandparents were Romanian Jews)
*Harry Caray – former baseball broadcaster on radio and television
*Ely Culbertson – world champion bridge player
*Harry Feldman – former Major League Baseball player
*Marty Glickman – former track and field athlete and sports announcer
*Hank Greenberg – former Major League Baseball player, elected to the Hall of Fame in 1956
*Ernie Grunfeld – former NBA player"Bucks Need to Get with Foreign Concept", Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, May 15, 2002
*Red Holzman – former NBA player and coach, elected to the Basketball Hall of Fame in 1985
*Erhardt Kapp – former soccer player
*Béla Károlyi – gymnastics coach
*Fred Lebow – founder of New York City Marathon
*Zoltan Mesko – NFL player (born in Romania, father is Romanian, mother Hungarian)
*Stephen Negoesco – hall of fame soccer coach
*Betty Okino – US Olympic gymnast
*Dolph Schayes – former NBA Hall of Famer player and coach
*Bud Selig – Commissioner of Major League Baseball
*Charley Stanceu – former Major League Baseball player
*Kevin Youkilis – Major League Baseball player; first baseman for the Boston Red Sox
 
===Writers===
 
*I. A. L. Diamond – comedian writer, screenwriter
*Harry Donenfeld – publisher, and owner of National Allied Publications
*David Freedman – playwright and biographer; "King of the Gag-writers" in the early days of radio.
*Maurice Samuel – former novelist, translator, and lecturer
*Richard Ellmann – literary critic and biographer
*Ruth Wisse – literary scholar, and social critic
*Marcus Eli Ravage – former magazine writer
*Julius Schwartz – former comic book and pulp magazine editor
 
====Literature====
 
*John Balaban – poet and translator; authority on Vietnamese literature
*Marcia Davenport – author and music critic
*Robert Austerlitz – linguist
*Delmore Schwartz former poet
*Harry Turtledove – novelist, science fiction writers
*Elie Wiesel – Holocaust survivor, author, professor
 
===Other===
 
*Jeff Corwin – animal and nature conservationist
*Henry Moskowitz – former civil rights activist, and co-founder of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
*Vladimir Socor – specialist in the former republics of the USSR, CIS affairs and ethnic conflicts
 
===References===
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Do you know why Joseph m Juran is not on the list published as Romanian-American? He clearly was. Genius  Coponte (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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message: Hi I am new to this 
Do you know why Joseph m Juran is not on the list published as Romanian-American? He clearly was. Genius  Coponte (talk) 00:58, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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message: Sorry to revert without going through the discussions and history in an attempt to figure out what's going on...
This set of edits appear to be reverts of some sort, given the range of access dates for the references. I've not looked further at what's going on. I only noticed that there are unreliable sources, so I assume that someone appropriately removed them and now someone else is edit-warring over them without regard to the content, the sources, or why they were previously removed.
If someone has some insight, please explain. In the meantime, the content has been removed per BLP, and there needs to be consensus for any of it being restored. --Ronz (talk) 21:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Indiscriminate reverts