Talk:Hetman of Zaporizhian Cossacks

message: Ivan Pidkova was a Moldavian Prince under the name "Ioan Potcoavă". Please, don't change his name on that page: most sources mention him as such, and note that he claimed to be a voivode's brother (and thus Moldavian/Romanian in name). I cited the Ukrainian variant, and linked the article to here. Could you please add the uk: category on the bottom of the page? I can't spell his name in Cyrilic. Thanks. Dahn 06:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ivan Pidkova = Ioan Potcoavă

message: "Где два украинца, там три гетьмана" Any comments about this proverb? `'mikka (t) 01:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, therefore Mazepa lost the Battle of Poltava to Russians. That is a good proverb even though seems to be as an offensive one. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 22:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The proverb hyperbolizes a known longing of many Ukrainians to be a chief commander. --Nazar Saman (talk) 11:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proverb?

message: Was Tymofiy Orendarenko a hetman? See Talk:Taras Fedorovych.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:54, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tymofiy Orendarenko]]

message: Shouldn't Hryhoriy Chorny be added to the list here?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  14:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hryhoriy Chorny]]

message: How about renaming the article to List of Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks? While at it, please see the issues I raised at the template's talk. --Irpen 03:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree.--Kuban Cossack 11:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do this the way you are supposed to. Ostap 00:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Since you disagree with the move, why don't you offer to move the article back using RM, instead of reverting, like you are NOT supposed to? --Kuban Cossack 07:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is very original. Someone renames the article in violation of WP:RM, and when others protest he asks them to use the procedure he himself ignored! --Hillock65 (talk) 11:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well let's see this artilce is not often used, I don't think its neither on your or Ostap's watchlist, neither of you have ever edited it in the past. (this comes to mind). Anyhow for four days since my move noone has raised a single voice, that kind of defeats the point of WP:RM. Then along comes Ostap, and despite not being an admin reverts again with no WP:RM, mind you doing so prior to putting an entry on the talk page. So anyhow:--Kuban Cossack 12:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support, the usage of the term Ukrainian here is as vague as it can get. Some of the hetmans were Poles, some were Russians, moreover in ethnical terms the Cossacks were never regarded as Ukrainian, but as Dnieper or Zaporozhian. --Kuban Cossack 12:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good point.  On the other hand, if the Russian tsars had referred to themselves and were primarily known as Kniazi of Kiev then perhaps their inclusion in the same list as Yaroslav the Wise would make sense.  But I don't feel as strongly about Skoropadsky as I do about Ukrainian Cossacks.Faustian (talk) 13:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: What about a move to Hetmans of Cossacks, or Cossack Hetmans? Is there a need to disambiguate with "Ukrainian"? Where there hetmans of non-Ukrainian Cossacks? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  17:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: None of non-Ukrainian Cossacks used the title Hetman. However, during 1649-1734 Hetman was the title of the ruler of the half-independent Ukrainian state, who was at the same time the chief commander of the Cossak army. So the proper name of the article will be "Ukrainian Hetmans".--Nazar Saman (talk) 11:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move again

message: Why is he not listed here? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:24, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marek Zhmaylo]] 

message: Where is the discussion regarding moving this page from Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Zaporizhian Cossacks, ? In fact, it's not even grammatically correct in the English language (i.e., it would have to be Hetmans of the Zaporizhian Cossacks to be correct). If you care to check the discussions on this talk page, there has been an RM in the past to change this article WP:TITLE from "Hetmans of Ukrainian Cossacks to Hetmans of Dnieper Cossacks". Furthermore, the convention would be Hetmans of the Zaporozhian Cossacks (as in Zaporozhian Cossacks as opposed to Zaporizhian Sich).
You've done to the same to "Rosumovskyi" via WP:OR in moving "Rozumovsky" to "Rasumofsky".
These are not bold moves but WP:POINTy moves in light of your involvement in refactoring content for the Kyrylo Rozumovskyi article, content in Cossack Hetmanate, and any article revolving around the history of Ukraine and historically notable Ukrainian people. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:24, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move without consensus 

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