Talk:Sniper rifle/Archive 2

message: What are some usual zoom levels for a sniper rifle scope and how far can you shoot accuately for each zoom level? Wizrdwarts 02:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most sniper rifles are at about 10x. DMR rifles can be as low as 3x or so, and a steyr aug is 1.5x. High power rifles go to as high as about 17x. Some specialized rifles may use higher power but that's rare. Qwasty 22:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The scope's magnification doesn't determine the rifle's accuracy, it only makes it easier to see targets further away. Target scopes (sometimes called "target/varmint") can be up to 40x magnification , but at these levels it becomes difficult to follow movement and the scope becomes larger, heavier and possibly more fragile. The happy medium with sniper rifles seem to be 6x to 12x. Deon Steyn 08:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zoom power 

message: Are there any special laws against sniper rifles similar to the laws on automatics (in the United States)? Or are they completly legal? Zachorious 04:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: currently there are no laws relating to sniper rifles specifically. There are laws about things such as flash hiders and suppressors that affect sniper rifles, however. Probably the main reason there are no laws regarding sniper rifles is that there is no distintive feature of sniper rifles that can be used to decide which rifles are legal and which are not. Consequently, any law addressing sniper rifles is likely to affect nearly everything. Qwasty 05:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed, the only difference between some sniper rifles and some hunting rifles is the targets to which they are applied. — DAGwyn 22:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, some of the the current crop of bolt-action models are civilian hunting or target types that have been modified to increase accuracy and adapt the mounting for optics to the more "universal" Picatinny rail.  Restrictions on "sniper rifles" fould either have to be made on what the target is--which is essentially already done by laws regarding homocide--or rather nebulous traits like accuracy or accessories.  Deathbunny 21:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality 

message: I'd like to see some check boxes in the table for police and military usage so that people can see that police usage is mostly 7.62 and under, and military usage is mostly 7.62 and over, with the crossover being at 7.62. Maybe just add two columns titled "military usage" and "police usage" with asterisks in each cell corresponding to each category? Qwasty 23:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maximum effective range ammunition table 

message: Sorry, what have these got to do with Sniper Rifles? That sort of stuff belongs in James Bond Movies, not a serious article on Sniper Rifles... besides, the fact that they aren't scoped and have to be used at close range kind of precludes them as being classified as "Sniper Rifles". Opinions? --Commander Zulu 02:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Range isn't really relevant. .22 caliber sniper rifles have ranges of only about 10 meters. Some of the gadget guns are fully functional scoped sniper rifles. I'm looking for more cites, but I've seen some that were assembled from pieces that looked like common objects: The scope was a flashlight, the stock was a book, and the rifle was a cane. Granted, since this stuff tends to be highly clandestine, not much info on modern weapons is available, but I included a wikipedia link to a man who was assassinated with an umbrella gun, and I've seen video of one of Saddam Hussein's secret police machine shops where a much more capable umbrella gun was found partly-finished. Qwasty 02:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That phrase about gadget guns is there to illustrate the wide scope of sniper weapons. It's only a few words long, and while they are known to exist, not enough specific information is available on them to justify a seperate article. Qwasty 03:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is exactly the point you are missing, this is not a page for sniper's weapons, that can be discussed on te sniper page. This page if for a specific type of rifle (who happens to share it's name with it's most common user), but it by no means defined by only one of the groups who use these rifles or the way they use them. Deon Steyn 06:46, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gadget Guns???