Talk:Almighty (Oh My Goddess!)

message: Perhaps I just need to reread things, but I do not recall there ever being any suggestion that The Almighty had any elemental affinity, let alone it being lightning: I assume this has just been a misinterpretation of the Zot!.  I also believe it is a bit of a stretch to say he can be associated with Zeus simply based on the Zot!: it is best to keep hard facts to these pages, and put speculation on fansites (hence why I am removing it). Elric of Grans 23:02, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is safe to assume the creator of everything can control all elements although this would need cannon refferance. He does prefer/like lighting element (Seeing it in the OVA and TV serries, definately manga too). He prefers to not interfere with events which is also clear. --Cool CatTalk|@ 05:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that he has a tendancy towards using lightning is not wrong, per se, but the Zot! is normally (in anime/computer game terms) not considered elemental.  It is also purely speculative that he uses all elements: it would not make sense that he does not, but we do not know it.  I think this area would probably be better labeled as Speculative than his dimension (which I would have thought pretty clear-cut: we KNOW he is in The Heavens). Elric of Grans 22:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: All I am saying the All Mighty could be an 11th dimention being or who knows. Its not clear if its 10 or beyond or something completely new, it was never specified but yes he sticks around in heaven but even goddess are not allowed to see him directly. --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Goddesses have seen him quite a few times, he is more close to the fates than people normaly imgaine.  For example, Belldandy saw him face to face on her assignment. It is just that he seldom call upon them.  Even Heaven might not be 10th dimensional, At least in the manga, the only thing that is claimed to be 10th is the belt and the things Skuld made for Lord of terror to destroy the world. I don't really remember is there a claim in the movie, but it seems like only things related to the Human World is 10th. In the manga, the Goddesses actually said that they are from a dimension a lot higher than the human 3rd dimension world. MythSearcher 01:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No like lind she was speaking to the statue like thing. Now Urd did hold his hand (although we are not certain that is infact the allmighty or not). Whenever we see the all mighty we do not see him directly... Never the less I do not think its pure fantasy to think The Allmighy is at a higer dimention that rest of the gods and goddesses as well as others. --Cool CatTalk|@ 13:30, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Elemental Affinity

message: I need cited sources to accept the 'male' gender. Sorry. --Cool CatTalk|@ 02:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is not male, she is on sterroids: that voice is too deep and masculine to be a woman.  I have serious doubts they would make such a simple error in the making of the movie and TV series.  The vague appearance is always masculine too.  In the context of the series, `kami' is always used to for a male divinity, and `megami' for the females: why would they call the highest Goddess Kami-sama in this situation?  I would imagine that, if we looked, we would find he uses a male pronoun when speaking of himself (if there is ever a case of that happening).  I think it is pretty clear-cut as a male. Elric of Grans 03:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise all of this but again nothing expicit hence speculation. --Cool CatTalk|@ 04:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Almighty could be sexless as in the Movie (when addressing Peorth) and TV (when addressing Lind) he looks like a stone statue. Almighty seems to come in various shapes and could appear in a girls form. --Cool CatTalk|@ 04:27, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the use of gender in words has little meaning to English speakers, but I would consider that explicit.  Just as I would not call a man an actress or a waitress, in Japanese you do not use masculine words to describe a woman --- the pronoun is not explicit enough, however, as they are all relative (feminite males often use watashi in manga; tomboys typically use boku).  I will just reiterate that the use of kami is uncommon in this series, only being used for The Almighty, Celestin, and when speculating about the origin of Welsper (Belldandy thought he might be a God at first).  Anyhoo, I will dive the manga over the break and see if I can come up with anything concrete: if there is nothing, then I believe Unknown would be the best for this field. Elric of Grans 05:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok with me. Its just that kami-sama is a wierd entitiy by all means he/she/it does not fit to any of the norms. Kosuke Fujishima intentionaly established little regarding him hence why we know nothing aside from being the creator. We do not even have a single manga image of him. --Cool CatTalk|@ 05:52, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite true, but by making The Almighty a completely mysterious entity, it adds flavour.  I doubt he will ever reveal too much, as it would ruin the mystery. Elric of Grans 22:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The less I know the happier I am :) --Cool CatTalk|@ 13:31, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

text: You all have probably either found out the answer for yourselves, or have given up on the editing war, but in Book 16 of the English adaptation, Mystery Child, Urd definitely calls the Almighty "Daddy" when talking with him on the phone--this does not seem to be the best way to refer to a religious icon.  In Book 22, Hild's ultimate price for helping to fix Peorth's size problem is for Urd to call her "Mama Dear" (Okasama in the original, according to the translation notes.  This should establish that Urd's mother is Hild, and since AMG does not seem to have an alternate birthing process like those found in other series, it would make sense that there would need to be a father, ergo, the Almighty.  If this weren't enough proof, in Book 6, long before Hild was even mentioned, Belldandy mentions that she, Skuld, and Urd share a father and are half-sisters.  If the Almighty is Urd's father, and the trio shares a father, then he must be their father, too.--Fuen Fuboo 20:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gender

message: If you can list out any of those claims you just made, fine. However, I really doubt you can find any. Here is a list of what you have to prove by any cannon source:
#His age
#His rank
#The dimension of Yggdrasil 
#How and when he uses any other elements and shows his ability to be able to use all
*And please tell me why did you delete the manga picture!
--MythSearcher 16:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok... lets see... --Cool CatTalk|@ 17:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

text: There I vandalised the article. Happier? --Cool CatTalk|@ 17:33, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because the problem is still not solved, and you have improved the article, not vandalized it.(or vandalized it before and changed it back to more appropriate, your choice of how to think of it yourself, it is not my business.) Either we need to get more solid facts or we need to have more information for people to speculate for themselves. I'd say we still need to find either solid proof of those facts never exsisted or those facts themselves. MythSearcher 17:43, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this? I really think he/she/it is ethernal. As creating the universe, he should be as old as the creation. :P --Cool CatTalk|@ 21:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Well, if he is the creator, he should be as old as the creation, but there is no proof that the creation itself is eternally old.  In other Goddesses cases, I found Unknown on their age field in Colours, not Eternal.  I think the best description is Not affected by human time not Eternal. What do you think about that? MythSearcher 04:27, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Doable, how about "Appears 21" for belldandy for example? --Cool CatTalk|@ 11:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

text: That will create another problem, since it is subjected to personal view of age, there is no base on how old they look. In one panel/scene they might look young and another will look old. I'd say just leave it unknown since the official data says unknown. MythSearcher 15:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay, I hate edit wars