Talk:Challenge coin

message: An article by a USMC Corporal (citation #1) can not be regarded as definitive on the origins of the challenge coin tradition, especially since he cites e-mails which were "passed on through the network of senior enlisted Marines."  I have also heard origins including Vietnam special ops and British officers "palming" medals to their enlisted subordinates.  Does anyone know of more definitive references about the history?
The rule of rewarding the "senior" coin present at a challenge is not recognized by any unit I have served with, including 60th AMW, 100th ARW, or 940th ARW (all USAF units).  I added a sentence explaining there can be varying rules, and added this rule to the list of variants.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.6.3.10 (talk) 19:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read in a Challenge Coin Association message board that Ermey is passing out Glock challenge coins now. View thread --JAYMEDINC 14:43, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The origin of Challenge Coins should be rewritten, because the popular WWI story is a myth.  At least it has nothing to back it up.  I believe this article should be written similar to how the history of Disc golf was written.--JAYMEDINC (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Older discussion

message: I think this may be the true origin of the "challenge coin".
The 17th Infantry Regiment adopted the buffalo as their symbol and began a tradition of challenging each other if they had a "Buffalo nickel". As far as I can tell these are the earliest known challenge coins.
Interesting info here:
http://www.7thinfantry.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=95 
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=10256
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._17th_Infantry_Regiment
http://www.gotrain.org/~emgeer/coins.html
It would be great if somebody could verify this..
--SRW  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.116.211 (talk) 18:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been research on this and much discussion, in an eBay Groups message thread .  You must be a member to view. --JAYMEDINC (talk) 03:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  17th Infantry Regiment "Buffalo Nickel" 

message: This entire section appears to be the section author's personal statement on challenge coins in USAF.  It's an interesting section, and about half of it looks like it should exist in a handbook (which should be cited as the source).  But as it stands, the author is his own primary source, which looks like a clear case of original research. Stationary (talk) 21:09, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States Air Force 

message: Photo of coin (front and back) here: http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com/2009/11/presidents-coin-placed-at-marker-of.html Perhaps someone could add a link to the photo to the article? LeahBethM (talk) 09:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PHOTO of the COIN that President Obama placed at the marker of each Fallen Soldier at Ft. Hood  

message: Here's a link to George W Bush's "Challenge Coin."
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93563538@N00/478519095/in/photostream/
It's funny I've never heard to this tradition until now.  How many presidents have had challenge coins made?  Since the tradition started less than 100 years ago, it can't be very many.  I would like to see a page dedicated to this, with pictures of each president's coin.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.5.217 (talk) 21:22, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to a photo of President Clinton's 'Challenge Coin' http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/578/9dbed80b66961a208aa8d62.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LeahBethM (talk • contribs) 20:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Here's a video of president Obama appearing to deliver a challenge coin and getting one back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7VVLKVYr3Q   --Marc Kupper|talk 09:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidential Challenge coins 

message: A link to Challenge Coin Company Comparison was removed because it was a ploy by the site's owner to direct traffic to his own coin sales site.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.36.251.192 (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You did the right thing, that external link was spam.  The only use was to try to sell coins.  It did not belong in the article. ~~ GB fan ~~ talk 00:07, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: The 501st Legion is an actual fan organization, but there is no indication on their website (or other resources) that they are involved with challenge coins.--S. Rich 16:27, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  501st Legion 

message: I have removed a new section on stealing coins.  The section was completely unsourced and was written as a howto manual.  The rules presented in the section are most likely a specific units rules and not something that is widely done.  I for one have never heard of this before.  thoughts?  ~~ GB fan ~~ talk 07:08, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stealing coins 

message: OK, the section on the history of the coins is deplorable.  Virtually no citations.  And the whole piece about "special forces carrying pfennigs" is pure buntkiss.  I lived in Stuttgart for 3 years with army from 84-87, and Pfennig Checks were standard fare by the time I arrived and had absolutely nothing to do with special forces.  In fact, the story I was told when I got there was that pfennig checks were a German Custom.  It was in no way shape or size a way to identify special forces---in fact, base civilians and dependents carried pfennig's just in case.38.100.76.228 (talk) 21:56, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple issues 

message: The bit about the Canadian engineering branch has a "see image" note that doesn't seem to indicate anything. Anyone know why? Pat (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing image? 

message: Ranking refers to the level of the unit that issued the coin. In other words, regiment < brigade < division, etc. In theory, the highest possible rank would be a coin issued by NCA (the President). So, let's say that I challenge with a 502nd Regiment coin, and my buddy pulls out a 101st Division coin--I lose, and have to buy the next round. The unit name inscribed on the coin is considered the issuing unit. I leave it to the smarter people to turn this into an easy-to-understand passage in the article. --ArchangelM127, 1/7/2013
::(I lack the proper phrasing to apply to the article as well, Archangel) The information you just provided directly contradicts that currently presented in the article. I suspect this is due to another instance of differing rules within differing group. Do you have a citable source for your set of rules? It would be helpful for whomever writes the copy. The chief problematic section on this subtopic occures in the section "Challenging." After the mention of "ranking" there is a note saying "[clarification needed]," this appears to be a misunderstanding, as the next few sentences provide an explanation of ranking. Unfortunately, those sentences lack a source. The [tag] calling for clarification is probably a mistake or an artifact from an earlier revision, that tag should be removed and replaced with a call for "[citation needed]" after the clarification that is indeed present. Perhapse this alternate method of determining rank could be integrated there? Both methods desperately need a citable source, one acceptable to the Wikipedia guidelines. We should not leave unverifiable personal authority or independent research, only sources that a reader can fact check themselves. 71.235.31.212 (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking 

message: In following this article I see the EL section used from time to time by various spammers. So far no legitimate external link has been posted. Rather than leave the section, empty, I've removed it. If we can get a real and worthwhile EL, then I think we can add it. Until then, it's best to omit the section and thereby (hopefully) discourage spamming. – S. Rich (talk) 19:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: External links section

message: I served in the U.S. Navy from 1964 to 1994. During that time I never saw or heard of anything referred to as a challenge coin. There was no mention of them in either the Navy Times or All Hands. The closest thing we had were Zippo brand cigarette lighters with the ship's insignia on them. The first time I actually saw a Navy challenge coin was around 2005 at the Naval Medical Center San Diego where they were being sold to raise money for a command event. I notice that the manufacturers are now offering for sale challenge coins for ships and stations decommissioned forty years ago and earlier. I also notice that you can buy a challenge coin with your rank on it.
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thread_title:  Challenge Coins in the Navy 

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message: In the examples of civilian organisation "challenge coins", are they actually described/used by the org as "challenge coins" or are they just medallions? -- PaulxSA (talk) 14:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medallions 

message: Why are footnote references behind pay walls?Linkato1 (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pay Walls 

message: Ranking has been happening for a long time. The listing “challenges not outside the unit is not recommended” what? Sounds like someone is trying to dampen this down or constrain the page. Maybe you need a ranking page separate from the challenge coin page for people with coins in the real world. 2605:B100:70D:F0AC:FD77:48A5:164F:D07 (talk) 12:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking