Talk:Anglesey

message: "Cadair Mynachdy (or Monachdy, i.e.. "chair of the monastery"; there is a Nanner, "convent," not far away)"
I'm not entirely sure, but the Welsh for a convent is "cwfaint", isn't it? Dafyddyoung 11:26, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convent... 

message: I have removed `(i.e. "Island of the Angles")' from the article because it looked like it referred to Môn (which, incidentally, appears in Roman (Latin) texts published long before the Angles so clearly has nothing to do with the Angles--as an aside, in Latin it also refers to the Isle of Wight--maybe something to mention).
I was going to clarify that the parenthesis removed referred to Anglesea.   However, I also couldn't find anything on the WWW saying (except based on WP) saying that Anglesea or Anglesley means island of the Angles.  How would sea become island?
The introductory sentence is too cluttered already anyway.   If someone knows the story behind the etymology of Anglesey or whether the claim above is true, they should probably make an Etymology section in the article for reasonably verifiable etymological info.
::Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk
contrib 13:44, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
The ey or y suffix is widely used to signify island as in Bardsey, , Lundy,  Ramsey, Caldey and possibly even Barry and Sully. It is probably the same derivation as Brownsea in Poole Harbour, Mersea in Essex, Isle of Wallney  in Cumbria , Great Cumbrae Island and posibly even Wallasey on the Wirral. It may also be linked to the word eyot for an isaland in the River Thames. I don't know the eytmological derivation but there is little doubt that the English name for the Island - Anglesey does derive from Island of the Angles and its derivation probably greatly post dated the roman occupation. The derivation might be from the Old English Ieg meaning island.
::Velela 15:44, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Môn that I was claiming derived from Latin.Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley talk contrib 14:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If that etymology is true then I'm going to reword the bit about the English being 'corrupted' from the ON. 'Corrupted' is always a bad word to use anyway, and this case the English might preserve older vowels. If the ON was originally *Angull, the [u] regularly mutates any preceding [a] to [ɔ] (ON spelling ǫ, which has become ö in modern Icelandic). ~~ Anon, 2 August 2006.
Anglesey may derive from Island of the Angles, from Angle combined with sey or say (Old Norse for island e.g. Rothesay, Shapinsay).
Thormod.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThormodRaudhi (talk • contribs) 17:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology (inc. Removal of `Isle of Angles' explanation) 

message: Should some mention not be given to the Eaton MEM factory in this article? I understand they are the 3rd largest employer on the isle, after the council and the aluminium factory>
That would make them the fourth biggest employer and I have never heard of them in any case. 145.253.108.22 16:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MEM Factory

message: This article contains a link to the article on Draoi-Heil. The linked article lacks factuality and credible links. Instead it misrepresents romanticist beliefs as a factual account of Druid practices. I am thus proposing that the link be removed and the History section modified to accommodate this. I won;t touch it right now, so that any wishing to do so may check out the article. I'll check back in a couple days from now to see if anyone has any objections.
--Sidhebolg 05:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Draoi-Heil

message: In his Commentaries on the Conquest of Gaul, Julius Caesar mentions the island of Mona. The translator of the Penguin Classics edition I have writes that nobody is quite sure whether Caesar is referring to Anglesey or the Isle of Man. Does anybody know whether there's been any further research on this? --Charlene 05:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Caesar's ''Mona''

message: Could you provide a pronunciation for the English name "Anglesey" as well? There has been a question on the German wikipedia as to how to pronounce that word (:de:Wikipedia:Auskunft#Anglesey. Thanks in advance. --62.214.240.23 21:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Answer on de.wikipeda: ˈæŋglsɪ according to Gimson/Jones. --62.214.235.79 07:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Someone has, but they shouldn't have. . It's really something to check Wiktionary for. — LlywelynII 10:27, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Since when has Anglesey had a humid climate? That sounds a bit rude, sorry! What I meant to ask is "where did you get that information from?" lol. Cls14 12:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: I just removed the following from the introduction, which had recently been added by an IP address:
:Anglesey ids the best place in the UK for protection against the red squirel and now have hardly any gray left.
Protection against the red squirel [sic]?  If, indeed, Anglesey is the pre-eminent stronghold of the Red in the UK, then it could be mentioned, but not in the form above, which is inaccurate and poorly spelt. Carre 11:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Squirrels 

message: Is there anyone using this page who might be able to start at least a short article on this school. As it was the first comprehensive school in Great Britain, it is certainly very worthy of note, but nothing exists as yet. Tafkam (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Holyhead High School]] 

message: I removed the 'league table' of school results because Estyn doesn't inspect schools annually, so the exam results cited won't necessarily be directly comparable. People may be aware that since 2001, the Assembly Government hasn't published individual school performance information. Information on individual schools is still available in prospectuses and governors’ annual reports, but adding them all together to produce a local league table may violate WP:SYNTH. Pondle (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  School league table 

message: I've added Ysgol Penysarn to the list of schools, but the list is still incomplete and frankly rather dreary. What's the point in listing all the schools, when it's sufficient to simply say "there are 52 primary schools on the island"? Obscurasky (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree. Wikipedia is not about lists of things. Reduce it as you suggest.  Velela  Velela Talk   19:08, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:    Obscurasky (talk) 08:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schools 

message: I recently moved the title of the article from 'Isle of Anglesey' back to its original title, 'Anglesey'. This complies with various sections of WP:NAME (particularly WP:COMMONNAME). It was moved back by SilkTork, who claimed that 'Isle of Anglsey' is the 'correct' name. @Silktork, I'm presuming you think it is 'correct' because you think the name  is 'official'. Lemme point out a couple of things.  'Isle of Angelsey' is not an alternate name for Anglesey; it is Angelsey with a description (c/f "isle of Great Britain", "Republic of France", etc). Beside this, it really doesn't matter what the 'official' name of the island is, anyway ... as far as we are concerned on Wikipedia. And the construction "Isle of Anglesey" is an etymological monstrosity, -ey already meaning 'island'; this matters as not everyone is as lacking in place-name education as the bureaucrats employing this. Move back? Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Anglesey is the simpler and better title. Srnec (talk) 01:31, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I would also support a page move to Anglesey, for the above reasons. Just as a btw: The Welsh Academy Encyclopaedia lists the island as Anglesey. Daicaregos (talk) 08:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (e/c)This arises because we have one article that covers both the geographical island, and the local authority. It would be possible to separate them out into distinct articles. If we don't do that, there is the problem that the local authority uses the term "Isle of Anglesey" as the English name of the authority. But, I don't think that local government terminology should override other considerations. It makes much more sense to me to use the name "Anglesey" for this article, as that is how the place is generally known, but I think we should consider whether there should be a separate article on the local authority. If there is, I'd favour the name Ynys Môn (local authority) anyway. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's one of those odd situations where the title of the council ("Isle of Anglesey CC") is misleading, because the council's area includes areas other than the geographical island of Anglesey, e.g. Holy Island for Holyhead. Incidentally, Isle of Anglesey County Council already exists. BencherliteTalk 08:14, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! - I hadn't noticed that, sorry.  In that case, obviously use "Anglesey" for this article.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since everyone seems agreed for now, I've moved it back to Anglesey and suggest that anyone wishing to use a different title make a formal move request.--Kotniski (talk) 08:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Not for nothing, Deke, since I completely agree that the article should be at Anglesey, but  given the hyperbolic tone  it's worth pointing out that you are completely wrong as far as the name of the county. "Isle of Anglesey" most certainly is the actual and official name and nothing like a simple matter of style. If subsequent legislation renamed it or the Ynys-Monites habitually omit the proper name from their official documents, it might be worth footnoting, but we should address the actual name of the county in the lede, regardless of its monstrosity for the six of us who know Old Norse place-name enclitics.  — LlywelynII 14:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I've just looked at the ref quoted above (Local Government (Wales) Act 1994 Schedule I) and that seems to me to be saying that "Anglesey" / "Sir Fôn" is the name of a county and "Ynys Môn" / "Isle of Anglesey" is the name of a district. It doesn't say anywhere that "Isle of Anglesey County" is the name of anything. -- Dr Greg  talk  00:08, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This piece of legislation provided names for the new counties, but left the door open for those counties to change their official names: so Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire became Gwynedd, Cardiganshire became Ceredigion, Aberconwy and Colwyn became Conwy, etc. I don't know if Anglesey became Isle of Anglesey using the same provision, and this is not noted in the legislation. "Isle of Anglesey" as a "district" refers to the 1972-1994 area, not to the name after 1994, so this doesn't prove the point that LlywelynII is trying to make here. Gareth (talk) 07:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title monstrosity 

message: Cleaned up with corrections. I've moved these two pieces here, since they didn't come with any explanation, translation, or source.
:[original Brythonic name:] enisis mona.
:[additional poetic name:] Clas Merddin.
If you can clarify and source either, feel free to reinsert them.  — LlywelynII 14:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology section

message: Some of the cites in the new etym section  the 1911 EB, the 1800s LE, &c  are quite out of date but may be worth combing through to pick up items for daughter articles or historical expansion concerning the island.  — LlywelynII 16:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for article expansion

message: I believe the article name should be changed to 'Ynys Mon'. User:Drachenfyre put it well in 2008 with this:
'The oldest native name of the island
The majority of the island's inhabitants are Welsh speaking, thus the native name should have priority here.
Both the Ynys Môn (UK Parliament constituency) and Ynys Môn (National Assembly for Wales constituency) constituencies are listed as as Ynys Môn
As a name, Ynys Môn is passing into English as regularly as Meirionnydd is for former Merionethshire, and as Ceredigion is for former Cardigan'
This argument did not seem to be addressed. I would like to seek the views of others about this proposed change. LordFixit (talk) 17:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I live on the island and can assure you that Ynys Môn isn't widely current in English locally (the English usually can't pronounce it anyway), and even in Welsh it conveys a suggestion of a formal register of speech. Môn, Ynys Môn, or Sir Fôn are all used in Welsh, and so at times is Anglesey. In English it's Anglesey practically every time. Richard Keatinge (talk) 22:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Richard. The majority of people speak Welsh in Ynys Mon, though. LordFixit (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ynys Môn is a minority usage even in Welsh, though its hint of formality may make it suitable for an encyclopedia. It's an interesting question though: given the existence of a widely-used English name, should the native name take priority for an English-language article?  Richard Keatinge (talk) 23:16, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:COMMONNAME, we should use the name that appears most frequently in English-language reliable sources. For example we have an article called "Germany" even though most of the people who live there call it "Deutschland". -- Dr Greg  talk  00:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

text: Ynys Môn is fine for the Welsh Wiki article. Here, no, it's not English and shouldn't be treated as such. The people using it in English are doing so as a nod to its Welsh inhabitants and simply using the Welsh name. See also China, not Zhongguo, Middle Kingdom, or 中国. — LlywelynII 10:47, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes per WP:USENGLISH we use the English name, not native name if one exists. Crouch, Swale (talk)  17:54, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of article revisited 

message: In a recent edit, the name of Aled Jones was removed from the list of people born on Anglesey. As it happens, Aled is already well represented in the article and probably doesn't need to be on such a list. This does however point up a significant issue with what constitutes "born on Anglesey". For many years there was and is almost no maternity provision on Anglesey and most babies born to Anglesey parents were born at St David's Hospital in Bangor on the mainland and now at Ysbyty Gwynedd, also in Bangor. This arises simply because of an organisational decision by the local Health Board.  I would suggest that under theses circumstances it is appropriate to assert that children born of parents living on Anglesey at the time of their birth are deemed to be " born on Anglesey". If we do not adopt a pragmatic solution, it will appear in future that for many years nobody of any note was ever born on the Island whereas very many notable people will have been born in Bangor. I would welcome  views.  Velella  Velella Talk   23:49, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: People who weren't born on the island weren't born on the island. Seems pretty straightforward. — LlywelynII 10:45, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Born on Anglesey

message: Is there a widely or officially used demonym to describe people from Anglesey - in the same way as, say, "Lancastrian" describes people from Lancashire?   I can't remember seeing one, though I'm sure others know better.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonym 

message: "The foundations of Caer Gybi as well as a fort at Holyhead are Roman, and the present road from Holyhead to Llanfairpwllgwyngyll may originally have been a Roman road.[citation needed]"
As far as I can tell Caer Gybi is a fort at Holyhead/Caergybi. so what's the second fort reference about?  Perhaps someone can find a citation for the whole of this Roman paragraph.  Sussexonian (talk) 14:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange sentence 

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message: The lead claims that Anglesey is the second most populous island in the British Isles, after Man. Surely it is the fourth most populous after Great Britain, Ireland and Man? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Murgatroyd49 (talk) 15:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Island pedantry 

message: Myth has it that King Mynydd didn't believe in the stories about dragons in Wales. To prove to him wrong a Dragon melted the rock between Anglesey and North Wales this separated them ever since. 92.10.20.171 (talk) 12:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @92.10.20.171 is this myth backed up by any scientific research to do with the dating of the seperation of Anglesey from mainland Wales, also are there any sources you can provide, books, websites etc? Cltjames (talk) 19:06, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Myth 

message: "The geography of the Isle of Anglesey is a contrast between the relatively flat interior of the two main islands and their varied coastlines, large parts of which are an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty."  - starting para 3 of article lede section. Geopersona (talk) 08:14, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @A.D.Hope DankJae 15:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Anglesey and Holy Island have flat middles but varied coastlines, basically. A.D.Hope (talk) 15:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

text: I've now reworded the passage, as it was a bit clunky. A.D.Hope (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean?