Talk:Elizabeth Bishop

message: An image of some sort would be nice -- does anyone know of any? JKillah 00:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is one at http://www.eng.fju.edu.tw/English_Literature/us_poetry/Bishop/index.html#ereview courtesy of The Acadamy of American Poets (http://www.poets.org/lit/poet/ebishfst.htm). Not sure about the copyright issues of  useing the photo. ChristineD 19:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Should maybe some poems or at least links to poems be placed here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.71.12.236 (talk • contribs) 
  One Art 
  The art of losing isn't hard to master;
  so many things seem filled with the intent
  to be lost that their loss is no disaster.
  Lose something every day.  Accept the fluster
  of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
  The art of losing isn't hard to master.
  Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
  places, and names, and where it was you meant
  to travel.  None of these will bring disaster.
  I lost my mother's watch.  And look! my last, or
  next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
  The art of losing isn't hard to master.
  I lost two cities, lovely ones.  And, vaster,
  some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
  I miss them, but it wasn't a disaster.
  ---Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
  I love) I shan't have lied.  It's evident
  the art of losing's not too hard to master
  though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.
    -- Elizabeth Bishop
 
::— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.111.88.156 (talk) 08:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some material? 

message: I tried to edit this once, but it was undone, so I'll at least bring it up for discussion. There are gaping problems with the sentence "She is considered one of the finest 20th century poets to have written in English," such as:
# By whom is she being considered? I'm not denying that anyone holds this opinion, but the sentence makes no reference whatsoever to whoever it is that is doing this rather favorable "considering." To describe it in a grammatical sense -- if Elizabeth Bishop is the object and "to consider" is the verb, then who or what is the subject doing the considering?
# If, say, the considering is done by scholars, a specific citation should be made (and, probably, the name of the scholar cited). Otherwise it's simply "Scholars consider her..." which is a textbook example of a weasel word.
# Besides that, it's redundant. The previous sentence, "She enjoyed critical acclaim in her lifetime, and her poetry continues to be widely read and studied," already conveys the message that she's a highly respected and influential poet of the era.
Unless these points can be addressed, I'll continue to believe that the sentence is a subjective statement propped up by weasel words. So I'll delete the sentence again. I'll give it up if a reasonable counterpoint can be posted. Hmmmmm382 04:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear you: the sentence was written in tortured grammar, and was unsourced.  EB was one of "the biggies," though, and the intro should say so (with the proper citations).  I'll attend to this once I've gathered the references.--Galliaz 11:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Hmmmmm382. The sentence in question uses both weasel words and puffery without citing relevant references (in the Bloom article cited, Bloom never states that Bishop was  "considered one of the most important and distinguished American poets of the 20th century"). This is why I've removed this sentence. One could still convey Bishop's importance without the puffery and weasel words. However, it would require appropriate sources quoted directly.Jpcohen (talk) 05:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel Words

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message: What was the comparison with Bishops poem and Daphne Beals short story. Or how does the sentence of Beal , Lucky as I have always been in my life, I lost something too" related to Elizabeth Bishop's poem. I need some answers, some feedback.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.197.103.180 (talk) 17:35, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishop 

message: I suggest the creation of a new section of this article that focuses on Bishop's writing. It should outline her publication history, public recognition (awards, posts, etc.), and her development as a writer. Anyone have any thoughts on this idea?Jpcohen (talk) 04:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. Span (talk) 19:50, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have started a "Publication history and awards" section to this article.Jpcohen (talk) 17:34, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree completely. When I first came to this article, I was irked that the section on literary style began with the subject of her sexual orientation. Bishop was original. This article should convey the nature of that originality. Humanpublic (talk) 17:17, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section Focused on Her Poetry 

message: The inheritance from her father is described as 
: (§ Travels) Bishop had an independent income in early adulthood, as a result of an inheritance from her deceased father, that did not run out until the end of her life.
and 
: (§ Later career) Bishop lectured in higher education for a number of years starting in the 1970s when her inheritance began to run out.Schwartz, Tony. …
These give the impression of a sizeable income that lasted her whole life, or nearly so (which?). But the Paris Review interview ("ParisR") says (boldface added)
: INTERVIEWER: Did you spend so much of your life traveling because you were looking for a perfect place?
: BISHOP: No, I don’t think so. I really haven’t traveled that much. It just happened that although I wasn’t rich I had a very small income from my father, who died when I was eight months old, and it was enough when I got out of college to go places on. And I traveled extremely cheaply. I could get along in Brazil for some years but now I couldn’t possibly live on it. But the biographical sketch in the first anthology I was in said, “Oh, she’s been to Morocco, Spain, et cetera,” and this has been repeated for years even though I haven’t been back to any of these places. But I never traveled the way students travel now. Compared to my students, who seem to go to Nepal every Easter vacation, I haven’t been anywhere at all.
I'm adjusting the wording to remove the false impression. --Thnidu (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inheritance 

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