Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict

message: The swedish version is a pure pro-palestinian propaganda, that reffer to israelies as jewish terrorists and exclude all the palestinian violent attacks on jews. The Swedish version should be re-written or deleated!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.185.128 (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Swedish Version of this article 

message: The event of 1948 Arab-Israeli war and the following War of Attrition as well as Six Day War were followed by extensive waves of refugees in both directions, both arabs and jews. The attempt to remove the facts of the refugee problem from the article either of Palestinian Arabs or Middle-Eastern Jews is an attempt to lessen the importance of one of the sides in the conflict and therefor is biased. The claim of "exodus didn't occur just in 1948" applies to both arabs and jews, but still the main arena of the refugee problem of both sides is 1948 War. The wider refugee problem dating is 1941-1967 for jews from arab states, and 1947-1967 for the palestinian arabs.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:13, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That simply isn't the case. The 700,000 Palestinian refugees referred to were all refugees from the 1948 war. The Jewish exodus you referred to occurred over a very long period, more than three decades, and is not appropriate to add in this part of the timeline. But I'll have a think about this and see if I can come with a compromise. Gatoclass (talk) 23:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gatoclass, that is a very delicate issue, and this is the reason both refugee problems must come together in the text. The peaks and downs of each exodus were not directly related, but occured over a limited period of time - the period between 1947-1967 and more specifically 1947-1951. We can partition the exodus of each population by years, but we loose the context of the events (frederico correctly moved this section to "After the War"). During the events of 1947-1951 the total amount of Palestinian Arab refugees and displaced (within Palestine Mandate area) was officially 711,000 by UN census of 1951, and more turned refugees during Six Day War of 1967. During the same period the amount of Jewish refugees from arab lands was nearly the same (even larger), but i must remind there are only official numbers of those who arrived to Israel, not overall refugees. In early 50s large numbers of Jews were already displaced and waited in various transition camps until arrival to Israel, Americas or Europe. Unlike Palestinian camps, there was no census of Jewish refugees and displaced by the UN. For example 50,000 of the 150,000 Jews of Iraq were displaced already in 1941 (Farhood riots), yet only in 1950 they left the country. This is problematic to count Arab refugees and displaced, while counting the Jewish arrivals to Israel on the other hand - it creates a distortion of reality. The main problem of Jewish and Arab exodus was created in the period 1947-1951. The Palestinian arab refugees (actually displaced is more correct term for most) were counted in 1951, while the count of Jewish refugees is largely based on later arrival numbers to Israel and population census of the countries they had left.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greyshark09 (talk • contribs) 07:47, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population exchange of Jews / Arabs in the middle east 

message: I think this section title need to change. Palestinian nationalism were pretty much non-existant at the time (late 1800's), I believe. Something like "Birth of Political Zionism" would be better. --Frederico1234 (talk) 16:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Arab Nationalism was born in 19th century, Palestinian Arab Nationalism is just a branch of it, formed by Muhammad Amin al-Husayni. It is indeed hard to distinguish between arab nationalism and palestinian arab nationalism. I agree to change it to Zionism and Arab Nationalism if you want.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you have a source for the statement "Arab Nationalism was born in 19th century"? --Frederico1234 (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Emergence of Arab Nationalism is well described in Adeed Dawisha's Arab Nationalism in the twentieth century - from triumph to despair, Chapter 2, entitled Early startings: The Nineteenth and early Twentieth Centuries. However, some do say that Arab Nationalism had not been a dominant political movement until WWI, as you can see here . On the other hand, Zionism too was pretty much reluctant movement until the Balfur declaration of 1917, which introduced a solid target. Likewise was the British promise to King Faisal during WWI for national Arab home in the former Ottoman land.Greyshark09 (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Also as mentioned before, Zionism is not exactly adequate to Palestinian Nationalism, but rather to Arab Nationalism. If we wish to finda counter part to Palestinian Nationalism, then it should be a term like Israeli Zionism (perhaps post-Zionism?).Greyshark09 (talk) 19:40, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the references. In the first book you mentioned, what start date do the author set for Arab nationalism? Does he mention the inhabitants of Palestine? --Frederico1234 (talk) 20:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  From what i see in Dawisha's book the roots for strictly defined Arab nationalism (unlike establishment of a renagade Muhammad Ali's kingdom in Egypt, which can be seen from several perspectives) in Syria and Lebanon are in 1857 and 1875 (p.29). I found an interesting quote in another book The origins of Arab Nationalism by Rashid Khalidi, p.8 Arabism and regional patriotism were mingled and given predominance over Ottomanism by some in Syria and Lebanon. As early as 1868, Ibrahim al-Yaziji called for the Arabs to recover their lost ancient vitality and to throw off the yoke of the Turks. He also participated in a secret society that worked for this goal in the late 1870s and posted a few placards calling for rebellion in Beirut. During the same period there was a similar movement among Lebanese and Damascene notables, mostly Muslim but possibly with some Christian participation. Greyshark09 (talk) 20:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: I want to correct myself after reviewing Zionism. Apparently Zionism and Jewish Nationalism are almost iterchangable, whereas Palestinian Arab Nationalism is a branch of Arab Nationalism. It is correct to say Zionism and Palestinian Arab Nationalism, since both dealt with Palestine since WWI, but had earlier beginnings in the 19th century. Anyway it seems the collision of those nationalistic movements occured in early 20th century (Nabi Musa riots, Jaffa Riots and Tel Chai fighting), when both Palestinian branch of Arab Nationalism and Jewish Nationalism were already alive and beating. Unless you find a specific position of an historian denying this, i suggest we keep the title.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palestinian Arab Nationalism and Zionism 

message: "Israeli-Palestinian conflict"? Surely there can't be an Israeli-anything conflict without an Israel. That would put the start date at 1947/8, no? PiCo (talk) 07:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question of definition (or, what date should we start with?) 

message: I propose to remove the tagging of "factual accuracy", since this article has been extensevely edited and debated in the recent months to reach a certain level of validity.Greyshark09 (talk) 20:09, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Many other parts of this article are not simply disputed, they're totally untrue. Templar98 (talk) 10:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: @Templar, please notice that the removed dispute tag is of factual accuracy not neutrality. I agree that this article is still subject to neutrality dispute, thus it remains. I would like to point your attention that your previous remarks were transferred to appropriate discussion of Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict#Immigration issue. Please put your remarks into relevant discussion, or open a new one if you like by bounding a subject with two evens, like this == Subject ==.Greyshark09 (talk) 16:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: More work is required on the subarticles, which is merging "Violence against Israelis in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>" (2000-2007) into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict <year>". Another one is "2006 Israel–Gaza conflict casualties timeline" into "Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2006".Greyshark09 (talk) 09:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: More merges on subarticles

message: Hi, I've began cleaning up the timelines on the article, mostly to do with adding bold-text to dates for readability, improving sentence flow making a few pieces of language more encyclopaedic. I'll hopefully get around to finishing this very soon...but would appreciate it if anyone could review my edits and maybe lend a hand. --Τασουλα (talk) 23:30, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good on the whole, I've fixed one grammatical error. While you're doing this, I strongly recommend changing this entire article to one tense only.  This article flips between present and past tense a lot. --Jethro B 01:14, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

text: I also think the article would be better if we'd use full sentences, rather than "Name of operation. Da da da. 58 killed." --Jethro B 01:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, these things are important. I think if we are writing in whole sentences, the past tense is marginally better. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there's some Wikipedia policy on it, I just don't know what.  I've sometimes seen lists written in present, and sometimes in past. --Jethro B 14:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:DATELIST is the relevant section of the Manual of Style. While it doesn't actually tell us which tense to use, its examples use the past. I think we both agree that consistency is the main thing. I'll amend to the past in edits I make, if that's OK by you. Itsmejudith (talk) 15:17, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's spectacular with me. --Jethro B 15:54, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up timelines. 

message: Just passing by; however, my very superficial understanding of the topic leads me to understand that the Israeli settlement timeline and Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict are likely intimately related. As such, having the articles separated completely separated -- without even links to one another -- seems to deliberately obscure information on the degree to which they may be intertwined. Contrariwise, merging the two timeline articles would require an extensive effort; creating a separate article indexing both sets would be massively redundant; and either seems likely to trigger widespread cries of "NPOV"! Nohow, the topic appears politically volatile enough that even adding "See also" cross-links between the two seems likely to trigger a "NPOV" reversion war.
This isn't a topic I have enough interest in to wade into, especially with the limited amount of time I'm inclined to waste on editing. Thus, I'm chickening out and merely adding a discussion section here, for others to potentially consider. Abb3w (talk) 01:16, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Settlement timeline? 

message: I am surprised to see Hamas soldiers being mentioned as terrorists while that of Israel are not called so. Such a biased article. Aravind V R (talk) 19:31, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The ideology of Hamas as compared to the IDF is quite barbaric.. In fact they are the reason Palestinians are going through trouble, I do agree the use of the word "Terrorist" may be slightly biased but the Hamas organization that runs the gaza strip is a known Terrorist Organization so the use of the word "terrorists" to describe them may be justified. --Acetotyce (talk) 14:04, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are the terrorists?

message: There are some other issues in the article but I will now concentrate on the description of the Gaza–Israel conflict. It is basically just giving us Israel's view stated as a fact. This has been discussed at several places but: Israel did not "completely withdraw" in 2005, rockets were a problem both before and after that, the rocket attacks increased greatly after the withdrawal but so did Israel's raids and other attacks. --IRISZOOM (talk) 21:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue with the description of the Gaza–Israel conflict 

message: Please ignore my post requesting a change to this timeline. Firstly, I realize now that there is a separate timeline for pre 1948 issues and events. I do not believe they should be separate for reasons I won't bother to list but I doubt a merger of these two timelines will be merged, so, please ignore my request. Secondly, I will say that I would suggest edits and additions to both the timelines but, after reviewing the conversations in the talk page, I realize that those changes could never happen given the editing "policy" that I see there. May I give my opinion as I bow out of the process. While I understand there must be regulations and controls to prevent the inevitable chaos if rules and control did not exist, however, I will say that while I use Wikipedia a great deal for a jumping off point, I don't rely on Wikipedia with regard to any controversial issue because it is obvious that control is maintained by a person or persons with one view over those with an opposing view. If I look at a page on apples, this will not be a problem. If I use Wikipedia for anything like the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, I am very guarded. I thought I could contribute to balancing some of the pages that seem to have a designated view, but, like I said, after reviewing the amount and style of discussion regarding specific issues I see that many long hours of discussion would be inevitable but it would also be inevitable that most of my contributions would be declined. I do have a positive suggestion, for what it is worth: Create a section or mode of editing that would allow dissenting voices to post their facts  If done well, with continuing controls, this would encourage a larger editorial team and perhaps even more financial contributions. I don't personally contribute to Wikipedia because of the bias I witness--though I believe Wikipedia is a terrific source and site and truly gain much from the work done by the intrepid editors whose work is invaluable. Cheers! The following was my misguided request:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElishevaZ (talk • contribs) 00:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: Hi , we appreciate your good intentions but there are controversial topics on Wikipedia that require special protection, i.e. the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You are very welcome to submit any proposed changes in the 'X to Y' format and we will look at those changes. I don't think it's fair to say that control is maintained by persons with one view – that is what we try to fight against. If there is anything you'd like to change explicitly on this page, do feel free to open the edit request. With regards to a merger of both timelines, you're also free to gauge consensus from other editors on the talk page and get feedback with regards to your proposed merger. st170e 13:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 January 2018 

message: While tragic, not every criminal or terrorist act is significant enough for its own article.  Many stabbings and shootings where one person tragically dies occur every day around the world, the vast majority do not merit articles.  If this is terrorism, it could be merged to the list of acts on this article.  If the stabbing article was brought to AfD I don't believe it would survive as it lacks "enduring historical significance" that WP:NEVENT calls for. 331dot (talk) 13:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The correct place for potential merging should be List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2018. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for the suggestion. I will change it. 331dot (talk) 03:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[2018 Ariel stabbing]] 

message: Propose to merge History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict into Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict due to overlap. We do not have any other example of having an article on the "History of the <conflict>" on Wikipedia except this one and parallel "History of the Arab-Israeli conflict" (also proposed for rename); it is custom to have an article on "Timeline of the <conflict>" (like Timeline of the Syrian civil war, Timeline of the Iraq War, etc).GreyShark (dibra) 11:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Merging due to lack of objections.GreyShark (dibra) 06:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  It would have been nice if you had posted the proposal to WikiProject Israel PalestineCollaboration because many people have that page on their watch lists. The old name "List of violent incidents ..." restricted the scope to only violence, but the scope of a general timeline is of course broader. ImTheIP (talk) 09:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to this merger. The article History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, which is of a topic that is highly sensative, was improperly merged two months ago without having many people participate in such a decision. Although it was a "merge" and not a "delete" to this content, in practice, it was a deletion of the content, since the content wasn't really fully merged to the article Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Since the content of this article was created by quite a few people over the years, I ask anyone whom is considering a merge or a deletion of this content make sure that a peroper discussion be held in the future before making such a decision. As such I reverted the contet of that article and removed the duplicate content from this article in the mean time. In addition, I have opened a discussion on this matter at this discussion page and plan to invite over more users from WikiProject Israel PalestineCollaboration, as it was suggested above, so that we won't have any attempts to delete sensative content without a wider consensus on the matter. Please discuss the matter in that discussion page to prevet this discussion from splitting into different discussion pages. WikiJunkie (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I proposed to rename pages from "Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, YYYY" to "YYYY in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict". Discussion is at Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2020#Requested move 15 May 2021. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass move request for timelines of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict 

message: In this article, the Palestinians militants were called terrorists starting from 1975, I think it’s biased since this term wasn’t used at that time. Moudinho1996 (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling Palestinians terrorists starting from 1975 

message: There is no reference to the claim in 1948, May 14: "Haganah took control of Jaffa. Its 1947 population of 70,000 was reduced to 4,000."
I suggest to remove this claim. 
The Haganah did not take control on Jaffa on May 14th 1948 (before the war started).
Please read the more detailed events of the 48 war here for your reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
Thanks for your consideration. M.rock7 (talk) 05:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct but in the wrong direction. The city surrendered to the Haganah on the 13th. I'll check if the sourcing is adequate. Zerotalk 13:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2021 

message: The title seems very misleading as you completely leave out the true reason for the region's conflict. The mistreatment of Jews and early Christians by Rome, including the destruction and renaming of all that is holy beginning with Solomon's Temple in 70 AD, cannot be dismissed. In addition to Rome destroying Judea, and building the temples of Jupiter and Venus over Jewish holy sites, Rome continued to persecute Christians until absorbing and melding the religion.
After Rome tore down the Temple of God built by King David's son, King Solomon... in its distain for Christianity, it renamed everything related to the Jews... and in defiance to God. This is where the true confusion comes from today.
In 33 AD, or about 40 years before Rome's attack... Jesus predicted the destruction of God's Holy Temple, even specifying that not one stone would be left upon another. The Temple was reduced to rubble in 70 AD when the Romans finally breached the city walls after a long struggle. Jews were expected to pay annual taxes to the Roman Empire as a yearly contribution to the Temple of Capitoline Jupiter, which was built on top of the Jewish ruins of the Temple of Yahweh... or Solomon's Temple. 
Rome went out of its way to rename the region of Judea... and city of Jerusalem... and build over all important landmarks attributed to God or Jesus through 130 AD.
Emperor Hadrian renamed the city of Jerusalem to be Aelia Capitolina, in honor of a pagan deity. Rome then renamed the region where Jesus was born to be Syria Palaestina, supplanting Israel with Philistia... which is now called Palestine. It's bad enough that Rome built a pagan temple over God's Holy Temple, but after the temple of Jupiter was erected... Emperor Hadrian built a sanctuary to Venus over the tomb of Jesus which is in Israel today. Other sites in the area which had an association with Jesus, or Yahweh... were built over by Roman hatred including the birthplace of Jesus in Bethlehem, the Pool of Bethesda, and the Pool of Siloam. 
The world only wants to remember the time from the 1900's, forward... or 1945... or 1920... regarding Israel. How convenient to overlook a complete biblical, regional and scholarly history... only to focus on what is useful.
If you seek proof of Jesus, just look at the extent of what Rome would do to cover it all up. 2601:2C6:8280:5260:B0E8:9F83:B50E:DD15 (talk) 06:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No specific request. See WP:EDITXY. PiGuy3 (talk) 07:26, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 November 2023 

message: A partisan on reddit was linking this article a lot, using at as a reference for casualty counts, and I hadn't seen it organically despite my interest in the issue. Just a cursory scan for quality, why is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safsaf_massacre missing? Why list the total casualty counts on both sides in 1967 but only israeli deaths in 1956? Isn't there a header for articles that aren't up to standards? Qe2eqe (talk) 07:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Quality 

message: The redirect Terrorism in Israel has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'er there 05:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Terrorism in Israel]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: This article should be changed to reflect that the beginning of the conflict was not in 1948 but in the late 19th/early 20th century. Per the recent change made to the article Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which was discussed here. IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 20:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline/scope 

message: The time line table shows the following events in 1994 in incorrect chronological order: 
April 13 | Hamas carried out their second suicide bombing, in Afula, Israel, killing 5 people and the suicide bomber.
April 6 | Hadera bus station suicide bombing by Hamas, killing 8 people.
They should be flipped so that April 6 (Hadera) comes before April 13 (Afula). Digitalcre8 (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  1994 Timeline items shown in incorrect order