Talk:Live action role-playing game

message: Have a citation? Leave a citation.  Need a citation?  Take a citation. — Alan De Smet | Talk 00:02, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation penny jar 

message: I came to this article expecting it to be a mess, and was pleasantly surprised to see it's well resarched, written and illustrated. Nice work! J Milburn (talk) 01:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - suggestions for progressing the article to Featured quality would be very welcome. Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice work... 

message: I've done some work to restructure the article. I realised that some of the content in the Styles section was more like a description of the purpose of larp (for reasons of entertainment, artistic expression, education and activism to name a few that we have references for - therapy might be another that we're currently missing), so I split those into a new section called Purpose. I think this gives some clarity for readers who are trying to figure out what larp is being used for out there. I've also merged the old "Types of Participation/Role" section into the Play Overview section, and split "Fiction and reality" into its own section. The upshot is that there are no longer any sub-sections in the article, which I'm happy about because this is how many Featured Articles are structured and it gives the article a straight-forward flat structure that I think is easier on the reader. Any thoughts on the order of the sections as they now exist? I'm wondering whether moving Purpose before "Play overview" might flow better. I think that it should be near the top because the "why" is important, but I'm not sure whether it should proceed the "what". I do think that the text of "Play overview" would transition nicely into that of "Fiction and reality", and the "Purpose" section may currently be getting in the way between them. Ryan Paddy (talk) 02:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It'd also be good to have images for the History, Play overview, Purpose, and Cultural significance sections. Purpose could perhaps have an image of larp being used for education (the recreational use is already illustrated by the other pics in the article) and History could have a pic from one of the early larps mentioned. Play overview and Cultural significance could have just about anything. Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Car 121.7.29.153 (talk) 08:24, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New structure 

message: This article lacks a controversy page, as many pages on specific RPGs do. By the way, I haven't found any information about the Aline Soares murder case, occurred in Ouro Preto, Brazil, in October 2001. Aldo L (talk) 14:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that any controversy content would go well in the "Cultural significance" section. On the scale of things larp isn't especially controversial so it wouldn't warrant more than a paragraph, which could follow the existing paragraph on how larp is perceived. We do already cover the the fear of over-identification with characters in regards to  social acceptability, but there's probably also some room for covering moral panic and religious objections, and crimes that have been perceived to be associated with live roleplay, so long as they're covered in highly reliable sources (controversial subjects require especially high quality sources, not small local newspapers or whatever). Do you have some specific reliable sources about controversies surrounding larp? Ryan Paddy (talk) 21:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I just stumbled over this article and suddenly something looked really familiar.
The picture in the section "Styles" is not taken in a "decorated room". I have actually been in this room before. It is taken at the museum COSI in Columbus, Ohio. The theme of the room displayed on the picture is the ocean, submarines in particular. Within the cage there is a pool of water and a little submarine, that kids can climb into.
Type in "submarine cosi columbus" on google and this is what you will find:
Picture 1
Picture 2
So you might want to change the description or use the picture in a different way.
PS: Sorry I couldn't log in. I am signed up with the German Wiki. Greetings  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.33.33.47 (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it is. And if you click the image you'll see that detailed.  That the location is COSI isn't really relevant to this article.  Summarizing the situation to provide context would just be verbose and off-topic.  So, "decorated room."  It is a decorated room, it just happens to be decorated with a real mini-sub and little plaques explaining the science. :-) — Alan De Smet | Talk 20:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture: A theatre-style LARP in a decorated room 

message: The quoted source by Myriel Balzer is wrong in dating the first german events in 1994. Draccon 1 was in August 1992. Unfortunately I don't have a published source at hand. There are however some Internet sources to back up the date. 
* http://www.feuersturm.net/larp/drakon_1.htm 
* http://www.larpwiki.de/Geschichte%20Des%20Larp (personal account by Draccon 1 organizer Fred Schwohl) 
* http://midnightentertainment.blog.com/2011/06/08/draccon-1-erste-liverollenspiel-convention-in-deutschland/
* https://www.facebook.com/pages/Draccon-1-Das-Remake/159711294043124 (plan for a 20 year anniversary in 2012)
--RalfHuels (talk) 09:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of LARP in Germany 

message: I've reverted this entry because it doesn't belong in the see also section of the article. Just as Majora's Mask isn't in the see also section of Moon just because it plays a part in the game, this game doesn't mean to be linked here just because there's a minor part of this game that involves LARPing. A See Also section is not an all inclusive trivia list, especially when the target article does nothing to explain how it would be in any way related to this article's subject. That's why it's being removed, because while LARPing may play some part in the game and may be marginally relevant to it, that doesn't make the reverse true. - Aoidh (talk) 22:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, dude. This isn't a See Also section, it's a fiction list. As the name suggests, it lists the appearance of LARP in works of fiction. And guess what, Majora's Mask is on the Moon's fiction page: Moon in fiction#Computer and video games. And you using the excuse that "it's not in the article" is extremely weak since all that means is that the article is incomplete, which is why I completed it: Sunset Overdrive. Do you have any actual arguments here? 96.235.147.209 (talk) 03:13, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Entries in a list need a source showing that it's relevant. Lists on Wikipedia are not all-inclusive lists of every possible relevant thing, that is not the purpose of such a list and just because LARPing may be relevant to the game, that doesn't make the game relevant to LARPing. If the inclusion is significant in some way, that needs to be shown in some way, and this entry fails to do so. This is especially true because this is a Good Article, it needs to maintain a certain standard, and slapping random articles into a list just because they marginally involve this article's subject isn't the right way of going about doing that, especially without a consensus to do so.  - Aoidh (talk) 03:32, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You realize that by that logic Mazes and Monsters, Days of Darkness, Little Brother, The Wild Hunt, Supernatural, Lloyd the Conqueror, and Knights of Badassdom must also be removed from the list as the are not "shown in some way, and this entry fails to do so"? Shall I proceed to erase 78% of the list since there's no "consensus"? 96.235.147.209 (talk) 03:39, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I took a look at the articles you listed. The article Knights of Badassdom, for example, very clearly shows how it belongs in such a list. However, not all of the articles show that they belong, so I agree with you and have removed ones that don't show they belong. If you see others that don't belong, please feel free to address them as well. - Aoidh (talk) 03:56, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations, you sir, are a royal idiot. 96.235.147.209 (talk) 03:58, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning an entry in the See Also section 

message: Are any live action role-playing games of a sexual nature? 213.205.251.155 (talk) 09:01, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sexual roleplay]] 

message: Hello friends! I very recently added a combat section to the page to offer more detailed information in the world of larping. People who attend a LARP or know what it is generally don't feel the need to research, so being that most viewers lack experience it is important to give a general idea of what type of physical interaction they may see when they decide to attend. Being that there isn't really any universal rule book, I did my best to stay consistent with terms used on this page as well as other information hubs for LARP. I will be adding a Weapons section as well soon, but being that larping is rather unregulated, I first wanted to see how the Combat section is responded to. This lack of universal regulations makes it difficult to offer more specifics to the readers since there is no core rule-book to reference. Is it acceptable to teeter this line of specifics and ambiguity? Thanks!
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04/29/2017  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbumb1 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there. I appreciate the effort that's gone into the new Combat section and your good intent. However, the degree of emphasis that this lengthy new section gives to combat mechanics appears to be undue relative to the other aspects of larp described in the article. It also suffers from a lack of suitable reliable sources, contains some inaccuracies and irrelevant information about related activities such as the SCA, has problems with external linking which is best avoided, and the style of the section doesn't match the rest of the article. I don't believe the larp article would have gained good article status if it had contained this section as currently written. I'm going to remove it now, but please feel free to discuss here whether some of the information can be added back to the article, with appropriate sourcing, in a more concise form. As I gather you may be new to Wikipedia, please note that the content of the section will remain available in the article's edit history. Note also that there is already an article on foam weapons (which suffers from its own quality problems), so we don't need to duplicate that content here in a new "Weapons" section. Ryan Paddy (talk) 10:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat 

message: i was involved in a group doing LARP in berkeley, in tilden park and on the UC berkeley campus, while in high school. we called it Lortenfut. crude costumes, foam weapons and magic fireballs made with tissue and flour. i cant find any references for this. why did we come up with this name? was anyone else using it? no internet refs, maybe a fanzine mentions it.50.193.19.66 (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 1979

message: This new section seems to rely overly on a single secondary source, and devotes a disproportionate amount of time to the concept of bleed. Could it be shortened and incorporated into a section with a more general name, like "Impact on Participants" that includes other citations and more concepts relating to that subject? It would also fit better later in the article, perhaps before the Cultural Significance section, and could do with some rewording to have a more encyclopedic and less academic tone. Ryan Paddy (talk) 00:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah one editor basically wrote all of this. The section is really confusing. How do I bump this talk to the top, or maybe archive a few sections? I don't know how to use talk pages. 2st (talk) 08:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I read through it and I agree, it relies way too much on a single source and the amount of prominence it gives the resulting text is WP:UNDUE, It should, at most, be a single sentence in another section, not an entire vaguely worded section of its own. - Aoidh (talk) 14:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I came here after I read Leaving the Magic Circle: Larp and Aftercare and wondered where in the article to discuss aftercare. It’s not limited to Nordic. I tried searching on wikipedia but the closest related use was under BDSM which is a much narrower discussion than might be needed in this LARP article. I also thought about linking Disinhibition but that's a relatively medical article at present. I like the "Impact on Participants" idea above. Sorry, I'm rambling, but it would be good to include something about this in the article. I just don't know where. Personal experience isn't allowed much in wikipedia articles. I can see why, but it's actual people who might do things (or, in several senses of the word, reveal things) they wouldn't in real life, but then have to somehow get back into the dayjob, so it's worth discussing somewhere I hope. SueTwoReloaded (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking a bit more about this, I was wondering which other articles could be linked. Aftercare is the BDSM one, so may be limited use. Post-traumatic stress disorder is probably a bit too strong. Therapeutic community could be useful. Transgressive fiction? - that's not about recovery but could be a good link in any case. SueTwoReloaded (talk) 16:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is not a guide. If there are sources showing that this is a significant aspect of the article's subject it might warrant being mentioned in the article, but not for the purpose of acting as a guide or instruction for people who might participate in the activity that the article's subject describes. - Aoidh (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense thanks. An article about fire wouldn't have to include advice on putting it out! SueTwoReloaded (talk) 22:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want draft an article on bleed and/or rpg safety tools, Role-playing game terms might be a good place to start from as both are sourced entries there. Sariel Xilo (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Consequences" section 

message: The new sub-section on Chinese script murder (jubesha) looks well sourced and the subject is of high interest to people interested in larp. However, the length of it seems undue relative its importance to larp as an activity internationally and it's not clear that "Cultural Significance" is the right section for it. For consistency with the rest of the article, I think this content needs to be compressed a lot and moved to a single paragraph in the Styles section. That's where the other content about regional variation in styles is stored. Given how very widespread jubensha is in China, how distinctive it is and how many reliable sources discuss it, it may also be worth considering creating a Jubesha article where the details of the form can be discussed. Ryan Paddy (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Sariel Xilo what do you think? Ryan Paddy (talk) 10:58, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for the delay! I don't think that it needs to be greatly reduced; the "cultural significance" section is 5 paragraphs of a mostly US/Nordic perspective (most of the article assumes that Western perspective on the topic). The Chinese script murder subsection is 2 paragraphs so I don't think this is undue weight; the second paragraph is fairly short as it is just 2 direct quotes from news outlets but those could be paraphrased. I added it to the "cultural significance" section because the sources are discussing societal impact & potential governmental regulations in reaction to that impact. If someone wants to WP:SPINOUT this section into a larger article on the topic, they could probably do it easily but this isn't a project I have time for. Sariel Xilo (talk) 16:48, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Sariel Xilo those are both good points about the relevance to culture impact, and the article's western leaning. Until a few years ago larp was much more widespread in western countries (with minimal presence in Japan, China, SE Asia, the middle east outside of Israel, Africa outside of South Africa, etc.) so the leaning of the article was not so far off reflecting reality, but jubensha has put an end to that. If we classify jubensha as larp, there may now be more larp activity in China than the rest of the world combined. How about we move the content about the style of larp that jubensha is to the "Styles" section, and leave the content about the social impact of jubesha in the "cultural significance" section? So then like Nordic larp, it would be discussed in both places. Ryan Paddy (talk) 22:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good to me. I took an initial stab at separating the two but please feel free to adjust! The "Styles" section needs to be updated with sources so if you have time for that, that would be great. Thanks! Sariel Xilo (talk) 23:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jubensha