Talk:Saint Lucy

message: This new "version" is here until we can hear where it appears:
:"Another version of the legend emphasise the saints chastity: a pagan man fell in love with Lucy and said he would do anything to be able to see her beautiful eyes every morning. The next day he was presented with her eyes on a plate and an apology - Lucy said she had taken a Vow of Chastity as a child, but hoped he would find solance in the gift of the eyes he adored so much. The young man was so deeply moved by her devotion that he immediately had himself baptised as a christian."
Perhaps new User:Moliate can fill us in on the source.--Wetman 22:07, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I have only Swedish sources. Primary from the encyclopedia "Nordisk Familjebok"  (scanned older edition). Secondary from the Swedish catholics webpage . Perhaps this is a local myth - I'll try to find more reliable sources... --moliate 00:29, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: After searching the web and only finding less reliable sources in English  I assume you are right in this being a Scandinavian construct. Perhaps we could merge this version into the last paragraph? --moliate 01:07, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Moliate, would you edit into the article some of that more detailed information in the Swedish page (I linked it, but I can't read it), and put this wild version back into the article? --Wetman 01:17, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  If this is a Scandinavian construct, I'd rather revert my changes (or possibly put them in the Swedish version of the page) in order to keep Wikipedia as clean as possible. The encyclopedia states that this version does not appear in the Acta and is a later construct, indicating that it may be derived from a play on the latin word "Lux". It does not give any further information on it's origin. Saint Lucy has been important in Scandinavian christianity (probably because her day represent the transition to the norse festive month Yule) and her life has been subject to a variety of myths. The rest of the encyclopedia entry is on pre-christian rites that has later been attributed to Saint Lucy. --moliate 15:24, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If I was suspicious, it's only because Wikipedia is constantly attacked by people inserting believable nonsense, just to see if it will pass. Scandinavian myths about St Lucy have every right to be discussed here. But myths do need to appear in texts or in oral tradition, or to be reflected in interpretable rituals. Sounds like this later Scandinavian development is worth discussing in the article. It's up to Moliate, who can handle the Swedish! --Wetman 17:46, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  A "version" 

message: How do you think  this picture should be included?  I think it should be with talk about the celebration of Saint Lucia's day... I just wanted input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grenavitar (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's excellent here! Give us a caption with Carl Larsson's name. And link some explanatory text to it, so the reader gets what's going on!. --Wetman 03:03, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: "The picture accompanying this section shows a Lucia procession in the home in 1908"... I assume that the picture being discussed here is the same picture referred to in the article, but it does not appear there (nor at the link given above). Jim 16:34, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that better now? --Wetman 04:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Sankta Lucia is celebrated in Denmark too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.251.207.12 (talk) 07:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucia in Denmark 

message: It's disingenuous to ignore that Scandanavians celebrated the longest night of the year before the Christians arrived and that Lucy was already in place when they arrived. Beginning with the tales of the demonic, "Lussi," who ranged far and wide during the long night, the hope of the return of longer days burned brightly among Scandavians. The Lussi were said to capture straying children who went outside during the winter solstice. It has been speculated that the traditions of the maiden with candles in her hair and the, "star boys," grew from attempts to ensure children's safety if they travelled at night since the light would scare away the Lussi.
There is not clear etymological evidence that Lussi evolved into Lucy, or Lucia, but it is not inconceivable that this transition occurred as the Christianization of Scandanavia went forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.220.3 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked your claims up, and you appear to be correct. You can add it yourself to the article, if you want. / Fred-Chess 18:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-Christian (pagan) origins of the holiday

message: In what way is St. Lucy a humanitarian? Probert 19:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Swedenman's little joke. --Wetman 20:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

text: She is a humanitarian becorse she fought for the right in Rome, helped poor people and fought against the empiror. Swedenman 11:14, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "fighting" is not normally a sign of a humanitarian. Agathoclea 09:41, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You know what I mean. Swedenman 13:35, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope! We do NOT know what you mean, Swedenman! Probert 11:39, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are so stupied. Swedenman 14:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you are, but what am I? :) Probert 15:53, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Swedenman, obviously you can see and edit a talk page. Why do you completely ignore your own? Probert - sympathies. --Aegwyn 14:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd advice Probert not to provoke user:Swedenman. First of all, he is 13 years old. Secondly, it appears as though you revert him out of bad faith, which provokes him into reverting the article back as a revenge. That just reflects badly on all involved parts. / Fred-Chess 18:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 13 years old? I must say that I admire your patience with Swedenman, Fred. But the truth is that Swedenman's edits are damaging to Wikipedia. I hope you realize that. Probert 18:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Lucy - a humanitarian? 

message: We need to reach consensus regarding the merger tag. As it is Saint Lucy contains more information about the holiday than St. Lucia Day. I suggest we move the "Celebration" bit to St. Lucia Day and move the biographical information about St. Lucy to Saint Lucy. We cross reference accordingly and the deed is done. I don't think a merger is the best sollution as the celebrations deserve more attention than that - it is a significant holiday in Scandinavian culture. What say ye? Celcius 07:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No objects from me. / Fred-Chess 10:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, maybe I'm being impatient but I'm invoking WP:BB and going for it. Let's see how it pans out. Celcius 00:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Lucy of Syracuse is also described as having a son named Germinian in the Eastern Orthodox calendar on September 17 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics). It seems to me very unlikely that this Lucy had such a son. It is my hope that the apparent discrepancy as to whether this is the same person can be resolved shortly. John Carter 22:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lucy of Syracuse is the subject of this article. --Wetman 04:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I to assume from that this is the same Lucy of Syracuse who had a son named Germinian? I only ask because it seems to me unlikely that the Lucy I have heard about had a son, let alone one seen as a saint. I could, of course, be wrong. John Carter 16:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: as the linked article indicates, this is not really the same Lucy, but has been 'lumped together' with her.  --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different Lucy? 

message: I have added sourcing to the quotes which Srleffler marked on June 17th with "fact/date" tags. I notice in the text body that he added the hidden comment:
:"A translation into modern English would be preferable. There is no reason to use an antique translation here."
I quite agree with the first sentence, but have significant doubts about the second. I could be wrong, but I rather doubt that Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend has seen a lot of translation activity in recent years. Both the ccel.org version here and this one at fordham.edu state that they are the translation by William Caxton, who lived and published near the end of the 15th century. I see some 20th century excerpt volumes listed on Amazon.com, but wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Caxton's is the most recent public domain version of the whole Legend available. If anyone else can find something more recent, I'd be as glad as Srleffler to have this modernized. Thanks. --MollyTheCat 00:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I kept looking and did find this page giving the life of St. Lucy from "Ælfric's Lives of Saints," with what seems to be slightly more modern versions of the same quotes, so I have now replaced Caxton with the versions here. Not sure what relation Ælfric's version has to the "Golden Legend" (maybe he was copying from it or translating into Old English, which was then retranslated in the version on that site?), but it seemed worthwhile to avail the article of this material. Hopefully Srleffler on the next check-in will find this an improvement. --MollyTheCat 09:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ælfric was two centuries odd before the Golden Legend, but both drew on older compilations. Johnbod 22:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucy quotes 

message: Saint Lucy is now assessed as "B-class" on the Biography Project! Can we expect to find biographies of Santa Claus, Robin Goodfellow and the Snow Queen? --Wetman 22:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographies of fictional figures? 

message: The point of the sentence I think is the issue of 'light' - it is dark in scandinavian countries during december (in some parts the sun does not rise at all). Hence the candles and association with the word 'light' (luce in Italian/ Lux in latin). That is not to say it isn't celebrated elsewhere but not because of the light issue. And children in Malta, Italy, Croatia do not dress up in the same way. The tradition in these countries is also rather around associating Lucy with sight (not light). She is often invoked in prayers for those that are blind or suffering with diseases of the eye. There is no use of candles or other symbols of the light. Contaldo80 (talk) 12:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely that in New York and Boston you have italian and scandinavian communities coming together and seeing cross-over in ritual. Candles are not emphatically an Italian feature - happy for someone to prove otherwise though. Contaldo80 (talk) 15:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Lucy's Day 

message: Does anyone know why the island of St. Lucia, West Indies, Caribbean, was apparently named after this saint?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mermaid7seas (talk • contribs) 22:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: according to this site it was discovered by Christopher Columbus on Dec 13, feast of St Lucy.  Naming a place after the saint of the day was common.--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 17:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint Lucia island 

message: Why is St Lucy considered to be the Patron Saint of salesmen? Nothing in her biography might indicates the reason.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.154.254 (talk) 21:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patron saint of salesmen 

message: In the video game Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3, Saint Lucy appears as the Persona Lucia, which allows Fuuka Yamagishi, one of the main characters, to see the weaknesses of the enemies the party is facing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegallyBlindGamer (talk • contribs) 07:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucy in Persona 3 

message: I've never heard of Saint Lucy relics in Sweden, nor does the source mention Sweden at all. Should it be removed from the last sentence of the section? --158.174.187.91 (talk) 10:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relics 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: who calls the day "Lucia"?  Why not leave it the way English speakers usually do - Lucy?  that's the way the article is entitled.  Is there some proof or overriding reason to change Lucy to Lucia? This is not a Benson novel. --142.163.195.197 (talk) 13:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it should read as: "Saint Lucy's Day" or the Feast of Saint Lucy" - that would comply with our WP article: Saint Lucy's Day for language consistency. I think it's OK to change it; if someone objects, they can reply here for discussion. Netherzone (talk) 14:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

text: [Francis of Assisi], [John the Baptist] - they're all in English.  This is an English Wikipedia page.  In any case, what do people in English call the day?  St Lucia's Day? or St Lucy's Day?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.195.197 (talk) 01:22, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Saint Lucia's Day" 

message: The list of dedications in this article seems to be fairly out of control. Similar lists relating to other saints and their patronage seem to limit themselves to patronages that are notable (a blue link exists) and/or otherwise properly referenced. (See, for example, St. Peter's Church.) What is our intention here? Is it to list every mention of Lucy in international patronage (in which case the list is potentially enormous), or is it to provide links to articles or further information concerning notable patronages (in which case the current list needs pruning)? Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Dedications 

message: Are the birthday and death dates correct? If so, what type of person would want to marry a 99-year-old woman? Admittedly I didn’t dig into it but it just seems like something is off. 174.247.209.104 (talk) 21:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: I noticed the Saint Lucy's in Campbell, California was not mentioned in the article. I believe there is a church, school and a monastery. 2600:1702:3470:61A0:D1F4:FF15:D081:295B (talk) 07:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saint Lucy