Talk:Johannesburg

message: Is Johannesburg pronounced "Joe" hannesburg or "Yo" hannesburg? I've heared both.
: Both are accepted;  "Joe"- is the English pronunciation, while "Yo"- (or more accurately, something which resembles "Yuh"-) is Afrikaans. dewet|✉ 07:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say the Afrikaans version is more like a clipped version of "You" in English. Wayne (talk) 08:28, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Bobotie 94.254.63.111 (talk) 14:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: The article claims "The latest police statistics show that crime levels in Johannesburg have dropped as the economy has stabilised and begun to grow". What is the reference for this? Since the government has banned the releasing of police statistics (and seems to only publish propaganda relating to crime), and since all other 'evidence' appears to point to a continuing increase in both the decay of central Johanesburg and an increase in crime, I find it highly unlikely that crime levels in Johannesburg have really dropped. This definitely needs a reliable citation, and I feel the sentence should be dropped from the article or modified until it can be verified. Moreover the crime levels in Johannesburg are still extremely disturbingly high, so the tone of the sentence is misleading. - David 5 Aug 2006
::"Extremely disturbingly high" is not exactly any more accurate. It can be construed as being just as misleading. Don't know if you live in Jozi, but what urban decay in the downtown area? Yes, some areas are gross, but others are being redeveloped: go take a drive through the city and buy yourself an apartment for R1 million. Urban decay? The truth is, nobody really knows how bad (or good) the crime is. Welcome to the world...
::If you don't think that a per-capita murder rate of around 1 in 1300 per year is "extremely disturbingly high" then you have INCREDIBLY low standards. It's highly disingenuous of you to say "nobody really knows" when such statistics are available. As for urban decay, google for the "death of johannesburg" photo blog, you have to be in serious denial to think there isn't a major problem. I live relatively close to JHB, and have driven through some highly rotten parts of the city. David Nov 2006.
::Once again, you cannot contradict yourself and use the crime stats in one breath to prove a point and then slate them in the next. The glass is just always half empty for you, hey? Clearly, by your pointing out that the stats are all fake, nobody really knows, now do they? Nobody is denying that Johannesburg has a crime problem. Again, what are you doing about it except whining like a spoiled brat?
:First of all, the government has not banned the releasing of police statistice. In fact about 2-3 months ago the crime stats of all the police stations in Johannesburg were released on the front cover of The Star newspaper. What used to be true was that there was a moratorium of crime statistics. It was officially removed after about 1 year's implimentation, but that was circa 2003-2004. There is no longer a moratorium as far as I know, but crime statistics are released only annually. Finally, with regard to whether or not crime has improved, statistics show that murders were down from last year, while attempted murders were up, and cash-in-transit robberies were extremely up. Overall though they say crime is much better than it was in 1994 where it was at its highest. Finally, what does seem to be clear is that crime has 'stabilised' -- once again I think we do need to find some references for this -- crime has 'stabilised' and seems to slowly improve each year, and is the lowest since 1994 (apparently), but now it is a matter of bringing it all down. Rfwoolf 15:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: A few moments ago I read an article online where it is implied that the government has a non-official moratorium on crime stats, probably referring to the fact that, while there is no longer a moratorium per say (the statistics are always released), the stats are only released anually, instead of more often. Rfwoolf 05:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay so first of all I cannot tell who is who here. Someone or something has screwed up the formatting. Second of all, woah that was really racist. I think your argument is admittedly shared by some other south africans but reality is much more complicated than that -  Reallygreatoaktree (talk) 10:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime 

message: In response to the reference made to crime in New York, I find the two cities incompatable for comparison.  Johannesburg has a crime problem because many poor people moved into areas that they were not allowed to live in before, where as in New York the crime problem of the 1980's mostly sprung up because the city government was completely bankrupt and unable to to provide any services or adequate police protection.  I am deleting the reference. PZFUN 08:08, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Using the world trade centre as an example is like saying your're more likely to die from a meteorite hitting the earth than from a plane crash. The basis there being that a metoerite will kill billions from a single event, where as the plane crash only affects hundreds. Further more at least those killed in 9\11 can claim a forein attack as opposed to being needlessly and selfishly murdered by their own countrymen.
According to this: http://www.csvr.org.za/papers/papstats.htm the annual murder rate in Johannesburg is 1 in every 1332 people. According to this: http://newyork.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm the annual murder rate in New York is 1 in 14285 people. This is a difference of more than tenfold, they're not even in the same league. Even historically (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm), New York never got anywhere near that dangerous even at its absolute worst. So just saying that "all cities have crime" is highly disingenuous when the difference is so huge. Yes, technically all cities "have crime", but we don't measure crime in a binary "yes/no" value, and when you're over ten times more likely to be murdered in one city than another then you're comparing apples and oranges. When one in 1332 people are murdered every year, there is a HUGE crime PROBLEM. Is any other city (not in a country at war) that dangerous? - David
David - Medellin's murder rate in 1992 was 1 in 330.
Also, white South Africans sometimes tend to react hysterically to their nations' crime problem I've noticed - much more so than other crime-ravaged nations. This is possibly down to the racial problems of the country and distrust or open dislike of the black ANC government. Things such as accusing the ANC of covering up statistics because they release them once every year...which seems an unremarkable and even commendable practice. Serbitar 19:20, 10 Oct 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Reference 

message: "until the Khoikhoi and other Bantu-speaking people migrated into the area"?  Someone please correct this!  Khoikhoi are not Bantu-speaking, nor did they arrive in the country at the same time.
::Fixed, removed the Khoikhoi section as they were a breakaway section of the San who moved south, into the Cape. However, I'm still not 100% sure of the dates placed there. I replaced the Bantu arrival date with one I found on the official Johannesburg site, but I am unsure of the "100 000BC" quoted for the San. Impi 21:43, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Khoi

message: Is the Monash University in Johannesburg a campus of the Australian one, or an entirely seperate entity?--ZayZayEM 12:53, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I just phoned Monash SA and the receptionist said they they are owned by Monash University Australia and it is run as a campus. --Jcw69 13:02, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, Google for "Moscow on the Hill UCT" and "Moscow on the Hill WITS" and you'll see that the name actually belongs to UCT.  I'm removing it from the article. -- leuce (talk) 20:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Article:  It is the only major city in the world that was not founded on a coast or that does not have a river running through it.  Elsewhere in the article Mexico City and Phoenix are each identified as being such cities.  Paul Beardsell 11:27, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Water contradiction 

message: Article:  During the Apartheid era, Johannesburg was divided into 11 local authorities: seven white and four black.  Well, no.  The area which is now called Johannesburg is different from what Jhb was then.  What happened is that the area adminstratively Johannesburg has changed.  Randburg, Sandton, Soweto, Alexandria etc etc were never part of Johannesburg and this was not only a race issue, Randburg and Sandton were "white" areas:  There is a new greater Johannesburg which never existed before.  A more accurate but awkward sentence would be:  What is the now expanded Johannesburg was formed out of 11 apartheid-era local authorities, including what was formerly Johannesburg.  Paul Beardsell 11:37, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apartheid Johannesburg 

message: Article: In the winter, the average maximum daytime temperature is around 20°C, while the average summer daytime temperature is around 25°C.  Inconsistent.  We are comparing a winter maximum with a summer average.  Or so it reads.  Paul Beardsell 11:59, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: According to Statistics South Africa census 2001 approx 62% of Jhb households have a fridge.  The article says different.  Where are the article's statistics from?  Paul Beardsell 10:22, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Many appear to have come from the City of Johannesburg's Demographics page. Impi 14:45, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics - inaccurate stats 

message: PZFUN: Your bizarre reversion of several editors is a problem (see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles). If you object to certain parts of edits, feel free to change the, —but don't revert other (uncontested) edits that others make. Neutralitytalk 06:18, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
::Feel free to restore British spellings, just don't blanket-revert articles. Neutralitytalk 06:25, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
:::You are more than welcome to restore the previous British spelligns before you changed them. I'm still curious as to why you are right-justifying all of the images.  it has made the page lopsided and ugly. I do not have an ownership problem, but I am curious as to why you are changing the entire layout of a page that you have had ny previous involvement with and did not discuss before you made the changes on the talk page. Páll 06:27, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  PZFUN 

message: Parts of the article keep on repeating themseleves over and over again (like the trees thing.) Could we please get rid of some of this?--199.212.250.96 15:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Repeating 

message: I must say, this is the first time I've heard that one.  I'm not too keen to have it in the article, but I'd like to hear others' opinions...  Dewet 05:50, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Three distinct hits on Google. Susvolans (pigs can fly) 08:51, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I live in Johannesburg, and I am sorry, I have never heard of Johannesburg being called Jewhannesburg. It is the first time I've ever heard of this word. I've asked some Muslims who work in my building and they too have never heard of this word. --Jcw69 13:28, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text:  It looks like the word was used in the early 1900s as an anti-Semitic slur and a play on the name Johannesburg. Referances are only found by Google on 2 sites dating from this period. --Jcw69 13:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewhannesburg?! 

message: I don't know if it's just the browser I'm using (IE6 on WinXP_SP2) but there is a large block of whitespace between the History section header and the start of the History text. A simple fix I've found is to move  to the top of the page. Is anyone else also seeing this whitespace and what do you feel about the fix? --Bruce1ee (Talk) 08:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitespace on Johannesburg page 

message: I happened to check out today's featured article -- this one -- only to find it defaced (06:40, 25 July 2005 by 203.144.19.176).  It sat that way for 7 straight minutes before I showed up at random and reverted it.  What's the record time for that? --Atario 08:02, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defaced for several minutes during Feature 

message: The claim in the article that the Highveld Strikers are one of the world's best cricket teams is somewhat unsubstantiated. In the first place, the team no longer even exists, having merged with the North-West cricket team (from another SA province) to form the Highveld Lions at the start of the 2004/2005 season. This merge was part of the SA cricket authorities' changes to the domestic cricket scene, going from 11 teams to 6. The new team did not win any of the three major domestic titles in SA in 2005 - this can be confirmed from the 2004-05 Domestic Cricket Details. The Strikers were not even the strongest team in SA when they did exist under the previous cricketing system - the Northern's Titans and Western Province were probably the strongest teams in the country. How they can be said to be one of the strongest in the world is a little odd. --Rooijan 09:20, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the copy seems to have been based (that's being kind) on , and is quite dated. I've just changed the old references to the MTN League, as well as removing all the 'best' POV, will also change the Highveld Strikers reference you mention. Greenman 16:40, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highveld Strikers Cricket Team 

message: is it a little less than 2 people per sq km, or over 1 000?
If if is over 1 000, the . shouldn't be used as the thousands separater, as it's nonstandard in English.--Fantrl 22:38, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  population density 

message: There seems to be a problem with the infobox. When infobox in, it puts the whole article into the box. I can't seems to find the problem. I must be missing something. It might be in the infobox itself? I have commented it out for now. --Jcw69 10:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox is a single use box. I have put the box back in and listed the template for deletion. --Bob 23:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Population numbers shown in the infobox do not match those in the article. There was another Census in 2011, plus the number for the city proper and the metro area seem to be confused as well as out of date. The source given for the infobox is not the RSA Census site or the city's site; instead it is an independent analysis of the data. The numbers need to match, article and infobox, and the source needs to be the latest official census, in my view. The independent analysis is cited for several items in the infobox.  --Prairieplant (talk) 10:38, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I can't find the rank of 96th in reference to j berg anywhere.  In terms of metropolitan area population it would be 40th. M i c 07:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it is not Beyers Naude.  Nor is it in Fourways -- it is in Cresta. -- leuce 16:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  population rank 

message: The street pictured is, I think, Judges Avenue. This is just after the intersection with Beyers with Hyundai garage, Tiger Wheel and Tyre and Mickey Dee's on the corners. The turn off to the Gym and Cresta is on the Right (not seen).
: I agree, it is not Beyers Naude.  Nor is it in Fourways -- it is in Cresta. -- leuce 16:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyers Naudé 

message: I think an image of South Africa with the location of Johannesburg would be useful here.
Viralmonkey 18:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. although perhaps the standard is just to show the surrounding provinces?Rfwoolf 18:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where? 

message: So Johannesburg is affectionately known as eGoli, Jozi, Jo'burg and JHB. I agree except for the last part - JHB. While it's true South Africans and others may refer to Johannesburg as 'JHB' this is not typically in an 'affectionate' sense. In fact I don't think I've ever heard someone say JHB when referring to Johannesburg. When I was in Johannesburg and I used to send letters, I would put "JHB" as part of the address - but that was technically incorrect. So in otherwords, I say we take it out..?
I'm giving this a couple of days, and then if I remember I'm gonna take out 'JHB'. Johannesburg is not commonly or affectionately known as 'JHB'. Anybody disagree?
Rfwoolf 10:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a common abbreviation in print though, so I'm rather loathe to get rid of it altogether. It's as much an identifier of Johannesburg as NYC is of New York City. But I do agree that it's a bit clumsy in the intro (in fact, I think that section could do with some rewording), so is there perhaps somewhere else in the article it can be moved to? — Impi 11:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Affectionately known as ... JHB" - er, not commonly nor affectionately as JHB 

message: Someone added J'burg as an affectionate name for Johannesburg. I have since taken this out.
First of all I've never heard someone pronounce that, e.g. "Juh-bürg", nor have I ever read that in print.
Of all the apparent affectionate names to include, I'm inclined to leave this one out.
If anyone can add credence as to why it should be left in, please explain. Thanks. Rfwoolf 10:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ..affectionately known as J'burg ?  

message: "The region surrounding Johannesburg was inhabited by small numbers of people and the Bantu people."  This implies that Bantu aren't people...should it just be "small numbers of Bantu people," or were small numbers of some other group present in the area, in addition to (larger numbers of) Bantu people? -Elmer Clark (talk) 08:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early residents of area 

message: I find the music section of this article to be limited. I find it hard that there is a part of South Africa that has no connection to the music sung by the grammy award winning group, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, (what is that music called?). I believe this music is connected largely with the hostels. Also in the hostels is music called Maskandi. A form of music that may have originated in the plains of Kwazulu-Natal and Transkei and brought to Johannesburg by the migrant workers. This music is also very critical of current affairs e.g. "iMbizo". Also Newtown has a lot of Jazz. Infact Jazz international stars share a stage with accomplished local musos like Jimmy Dludlu, Mseleku, Mahlasela, Hotstix and many others, almost regularly, with a dedicated  week or two every year. The music of Mahlathini, umbaqanga - I believe it is called, may have originated elsewhere but it found a home in Johannesburg. With local radio personalities like the late Kansas City Mchunu "Umfana Omuhle kunabo bonke abanye abafana emhlabeni" hosted many a show in this city. also I don't believe Brenda sang Kwaito, whereas Lebo "Mathosa (for clarity)" may have been featured by Kwaito artists, she and Boom Shaka were from the area of Music a little outside of Kwaito. Lebo M, an international music icon hails from this city and has a music production running in the city, right now? As noted in the "Four part harmony" movie the struggle of South Africa (and as such Jo'burg) I believe.
Velabahleke (talk) 20:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: The museums section seems ripe for a split from the main article. It would shorten this one nicely, but it would also allow us to expand on each of the museums, some of which will never merit their own entries but may merit more than a single paragraph.
Any objections to the split? 9Nak (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is enough information there and the potential to expand it further. Splitting seems like a good move --NJR_ZA (talk) 14:07, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Some additional museums that can be added are those located at WITS: Adler Museum of Medicine, Bernard Price Institute Paleontology Museum, Bleloch Geology Museum, Life Sciences Museum, Origins Centre --NJR_ZA (talk) 14:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Museum split

message: It seems that around May 30, 2009 or June 1, 2009, all the information about pre-colonial Johannesburg was deleted.
The point of that section was that Johannesburg was a mining center before the arrival of the Afrikaners and the British, and that it was in the center of a fairly densely settled group of Sotho-Tswana communities.
Documenting pre-colonial life through ruins -- particularly the ruins of Sotho-Tswana smelting facilities in Johannesburg itself -- was the life work of one of South Africa's most prominent archaeologists, Revil Mason.  
All that has been deleted.
Now it appears that history "starts" with arrival of the Voortrekkers.  Was this an editorial decision?  Or has the age old conflict in South Africa about whether the Transvaal was "empty" before the arrival of the Voortrekkers reared its head?
I would propose restoring that text, perhaps making it clearer why that story is important -- namely, with an introductory sentence perhaps that says Johannesburg was a center of economic activity and mining for hundreds of years, including before the arrival of the Dutch-Afrikaners and British.
i'd like to edit the page, but i have no time. however, let me point few errors that caught my eye on a cursory glance in  the first opening paragraph.
Johannesburg is not the largest city in South Africa in terms of land mass: that claim goes to Durban, see all the country's Censuses. Johannesburg has 3.5 million inhabitants: it's the entire province Gauteng, which includes the country's administrative capital city Pretoria, that has 10,5 million inhabitants. 
Johannesburg is only the largest economy and has recently surpassed Durban as the most populous city 3.3 million to the latter's 3.2 million. please, correct these facts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fikile florence (talk • contribs) 01:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early History 

message: Can someone please create a collage to appear at the top of the article, showing some of Johannesburg's most iconic sights? I recently looked at New York, Moscow, and London's wiki pages and each one has a collage. It makes sense since cities of this size can't be summed up in just one picture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimastername (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collage 

message: Johannesburg is NOT the biggest city that is not within a lake, navigable river or coastline.  At least Guadalajara, Mexico is bigger and has no navigable river, coastline or lake. I'm sure there will be more examples.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.180.244 (talk) 02:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Riyadh, with a population of 5.9 million (2013) in the city proper and over 7 million in the metropolitan area, takes the title of largest city without any significant body of water. In fact, there is no natural body of surface water within 300Km of the city. It is also one of the fastest-growing cities on Earth, which will ensure its continued status as the largest city in the world with no direct access to a "navigable body of water" for many years to come. BDS2006 (talk) 22:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  False claims about being the biggest city that is not within a navigable river, lake or coastline. 

message: The image of Pritchard Street captioned at c1910 is probably misdated based upon the automobiles in the image.  Most of the automobiles in the image are from the late 1930s and early 1940s.   Innapoy (talk) 13:50, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely misdated. Ackermans stores did not exist in 1910. --NJR_ZA (talk) 13:55, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Re-dating the photo also calls into question the contributor's assertion that the copyright has time-expired... Michaelandsandy (talk) 16:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: South African photo copyright expires 50 years from publication, and that photo is definitely from before 1963, so it's probably OK on that front. - htonl (talk) 16:38, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of Pritchard Street c. 1910? 

message: The montage in the infobox is of terrible quality. The image of Wits looks squashed, the FNB stadium is cut in half, and the Brixton Tower is not exactly iconic of Johannesburg. It makes this article look very unprofessional, and it is frankly embarrassing to anyone who lives in Johannesburg. I replaced it with a better quality one, but my edit was soon reverted by Pollack man34. I'm bringing this to the talk page to try to build consensus and avoid an edit war: so what do people think of replacing the current montage with this one? (Or another even better one if neither is satisfactory.) Albertonian (talk) 18:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox montage 

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 16:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Johannesburg]] 

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message: It says population of city is 4.something million, but then in the side it says 900,000. This is nothing if not contradictory  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.129.176 (talk) 13:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The 900,000 figure is for the "main place" of Johannesburg, in other words the absolute areas of Johannesburg and in particular excluse Soweto (which is counted as a separate "place"). The 4 million figure is for the City of Johannesburg not Johannesburg. Bezuidenhout (talk) 13:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics during Introduction 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Built in its infancy J'oburgs public transportation system needs updating and the city is doing a good job ( Rea Vaya Gautrian, 25 billion rand to metrorail and updating metro bus ect)....... What do you think? DumaTorpedo (talk) 08:27, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johannsesburg public transportation issues  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is now quite a lot of recent history in Johannesburg#Government. I think the GJMC material might well be best moved to to City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality#History or possibly History of Johannesburg, leaving a brief summary in this article. Generally Johannesburg#Government should concentrate on current government of the place, imho. Any views on this? Batternut (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved GJMC material as above. Batternut (talk) 13:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  A lot of history in [[Johannesburg#Government]] 

message: The infobox currently lists the city area and population as 334.81 km2 and 957,441, and for metro area and population it has 1,644.96 km2 and 7,860,781.
The city area and population figures are really the figures for the "main place" of Johannesburg within the current City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality. The metro area is for the municipality, and the metro population is for the urban agglomeration (which extends beyond the metro municipality) though it had for a long time been the municipality figure of 4,434,827 until July this year.
This implicitly defines the city as the old bit (the "main place") in the middle, and the metropolitan area as the municipality. To me it seems that, for years now, the city has been the whole area covered by the municipality, and that the actual metro area is much bigger (some might say it is the whole PWV, some perhaps the Witwatersrand area, no official def seems to exist).
So I propose:
# Changing the city area/population to be 1,644.96 km²/4,434,827, ie those of the City of Jo'burg MM.
# Setting the urban area/population to be, 3,357 km²/7,860,781 as per citypopulation.de or similar RS
# Blanking the metro area/population until someone finds good RS to support them.
Opinions / objections are sought, particularly as it touches upon the scope/subject of the article... Batternut (talk) 13:41, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox area/population stats 

message: Due to the way Template:Infobox South African town 2011 works, all the demographic info in the infobox, ie the race, language, city population/area/density are for "Johannesburg main place" rather than the 4.4 million inhabitant municipality. This seems wrong, I think the article is generally covers the 4.4 million inhabitant place. The options seem to be:
# revert to using Template:Infobox settlement
# complicated changes to Template:Infobox South African town, just for this article (and probably Cape Town which is in a similar situation).
Any opinions/preferences? Batternut (talk) 17:48, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox demographics are for the main place 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion 

message: Johannesburg is one of a very select group of cities to have hosted the soccer, cricket and rugby world cups. Others include London 41.116.0.66 (talk) 18:57, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sport 

message: I need info in sotho about gold reef city 41.150.244.243 (talk) 21:25, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold reef city 

message: I'm not sure why the nicknames include a "Bhojpuri" version. This isn't a significant language in the city. I suggest we remove it. Wayne (talk) 08:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames