Talk:Malayalis/Archive 1

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--vi5in[talk] 18:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting Mediation from Mediation Cabal 

message: Hello,
Here are a few Malayalee userboxes for people to use. Wiki Raja 12:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Malayalee userboxes

message: This part of the Malayali article is 100% conjecture.  They are positive statements and as a Malayali, I'll take them---But, let's make it more factual rather than opinionated --144.15.255.227 01:29, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  /* Malayali- An Overview */  

message: I am going to add two more topics soon.Right now iam on a research in field malayalee.
 ARUNKUMAR P.R 07:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Topics

message: I would suggest merging templates "Topics related to Kerala" and "State of Kerala" in order to reduce the need for using both the templates in articles related to Kerala. Probably moving content from "Topics related to Kerala" to "State of Kerala" would do. With that we have to use only one template in articles better than inserting two templates in all articles. Gnanapiti 14:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: I do doubt the use of Mappila and Nasrani is not proper here in full sense. Since not all muslims are mappilas even in malabar. Same with nasrani. we can better use Muslims and Christians itself. comment please
Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 11:01, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that. Mappilas and Nasranis are specific communities in their own right and it wouldn't be right to use those terms to describe all Muslims or Christians. --vi5in[talk] 19:33, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Muslims and Christians

message: Minangkabau People of West Sumatra, the Ezhava, Nairs, and Kurichiyas of Kerala, India, Bunts and Billavas of Karnataka, Pillai caste in Nagercoil District of Tamil Nadu, the Khasi and Garo of Meghalaya, India, the Naxi of China, the Gitksan of British Columbia the Iroquois Confederacy (Haudenosaunee), the Hopi, the Picts and the Berbers.
cheers!
Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 10:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GOOD LORD! What don't you understand? We are talking about Kerala here! I am not saying there are no other matrilineal communities. What I am saying is that Nairs are known to be one of them. That is exactly what the article states! --vi5in[talk] 16:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Billavas are two groups. Malayali billava and tulu billavas. Billavas were following matrilineal  Tulu war 17:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

text: That sounds better Vivin, What I am saying is that Nairs are known to be one of them. But you have quoted these customs as unique to Nairs in some other article. You may please modify those. Your argument that other communities learnt Kalaripayat from Nairs is baseless and biased. User Dayanjali has provided enough references to prove the martial traditions in Ezhava community. I don't think you would ever change your opinion. btw, an internet article or a history book is not always neutral. I don't have any comments on Malayalam language's origin when we are not certain on Malayalee's origin. One sugestion. Let's not have too much caste stuffs in this article. Panikkar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panikkar (talk • contribs) 16:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't said that they are unique to Nairs. Nor have I said that Ezhavas never had a martial tradition. If you read my arguments, you would realize that. My point is that sociologically Nairs are known as a martial and matrilineal caste. We can rewrite the sentence that way if that makes everyone happier. --vi5in[talk] 22:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Communities practised Marumakkathayyam or similar tradition

message: We have accepted(and a known fact) the fact that language Malayalam developed with maximum influence from Tamil. The issue here is with two words Mala and aali from whcih the word Malayalee developed. All South indians know that these words are there in their own languages(Since they are similar). These two words are also found in many other foriegn languages like Sinhala, dhivehi etc. The meaning of word in all language are exactly same. Mala means Hill and aali means person or citizen. The Problem here is we dont know from which language its developed.  However since Malayalee means a person speaks malayalam, I have replaced existing content that is these  words orginated from Tamil and its meaning Hill country  in Tamil' with these  words orginated from Malayalam and its meaning Hill country  in Malayalam . Since a dispute is raised by one editor User:Vivin,  however as  a solution, we have removed the language part and rewritten the content as the  word Malayalee orginated from words mala and aali and its meaning is Hill country in local language. Again dispute is raised and we have removed  local language phrase from the content in order to achieve a peaceful solution. Now the content is  The word Malayali originates from Mala meaning Hill and Aali meaning person. Malayalee literally means a person hailing from a Hill Country.. In Malayalam language article its clearly mentions its relationship Tamil language. So whats the pupuse of adding that this developed from Tamil. Malayalee means a person who speaks Malayalam. Anything else look like moth-eaten theories about race/language.
Other cites 
* Thirumala a hill where a famous temple  of Lord Venkateshwara (local language Telugu)
* Malanad a region in Kerala
* Malanad a region in Karnataka Local language is Kannada
* ethirali a Kannada, Tamil and Malayalam word. Here it means  oppnent
(developed from ethiru means opposite and aali means person)
* Sinhala developed from Sinha/simha(Lion) and aal(person). We can assumethat these words come from Tamil or Sanskrit. Whats the need of such things in Sinhala Article. Sinhala means a language or people who speaks the language simhala. Same thing is applicable here in Malayalee article too. 
Daya Anjali (talk / contribs) 06:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That solution is unacceptable because it's wrong.Can you please explain to me, how the Kerala region was known as Malayala before there was ever a language called Malayalam? It was a western dialect of Tamil that became Malayalam. You might say it came from "Mala" and "aali" but a person who knows nothing about this region will wonder which language these words come from. The answer is Tamil. I find it rather amusing that someone with absolutely no linguistic qualifications would call established linguistic theory "moth-eaten". Once again, can you please tell me exactly how the region of Kerala was known as Malayala before the Malayalam language evolved? This would be in direct contradiction of your assertion that the word came from Malayalam. Also, you have made no comment about the sources I have provided that prove my point, and disprove yours. --vi5in[talk] 08:33, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thisnk we wil continue the way its. I think no need to argue further you have failed provide a valid reference.Simply dont waste ur time over this issue. And about communities i dont have any thing to comment.Tulu war  —Preceding comment was added at 09:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See above for references. --vi5in[talk] 16:43, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue  and diispute is not with the origin of Malayalam but with the words Mala and aali which make up Malayalee. Reference(Not even link) has not been provided to varify that these words come from any language(these words are found in many Indian and foriegn languages.(Please read the comment by User:Dayaanjali). Tulu war 08:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ho. Hum. See my links above for your references. --vi5in[talk] 15:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks links/refs do say about Malayalam and tamil but doesnt say Mala and aali came from Tamil.Also whats the need of adding these details(Mala and aali came from Tamil and all) to Malayalee article? Simply say the people who speak Malayalam are Malayalees. cheersTulu war  —Preceding comment was added at 04:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give you a hint. The reference starts with the word "Comparative". --vi5in[talk] 07:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Malayalee]] - solution