Talk:Armageddon 2419 A.D.

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message: The article says the two novellas were "combined by editor Donald A. Wollheim into one paperback novel". This is probably correct but how was this combination achieved? What alterations were made? Is the 1962 edition simply the 1928 and 1929 novellas glued together?
Then there was a 1978 edition in which Wollheim admits to having this "edition specifically revised and updated for the modern reader" and blames Spider Robinson for it. I can't say how "Armageddon 2419 A.D." was altered, not having access to the original, but this edition does nothing for "The Airlords of Han" but eliminate the word "yellow" (which does nothing to obscure the "yellow peril" basis of this story), substitute random uses of the word "girls" with "women" perhaps 40% of the time, senselessly delete the occasional line, and consistently use "ultro-" instead of randomly alternating between "ultro-" and "ultrono-". And make a purely commercial alteration to the end to try to get you ready to buy the forthcoming "sequels by other hands", I suppose. Also, it drops the initial "In our last episode" section in "The Airlords of Han" to refresh the memory of the "Armageddon 2419 A.D." readers which, admittedly, isn't necessary in a single volume but is short enough to not be a bother.
A question this article might answer is, "Is there no way (short of having 1928-9 Amazing's lying around) to read the stories as Nowlan wrote them?".
Etc. These sorts of things should be addressed by articles of this sort.
(The same goes for the comic strip. The Nowlan novellas are in no way space operas and Dr. Huer doesn't exist - actually, no one but Anthony Rogers (sans "Buck", sans explicit military/astronaut experience) and Wilma Deering do, and Wilma quickly becomes his actual wife in the stories (not a girlfriend, not a Colonel) - and so on. A mention of the evolution of the comic strip - which is where the movies and TV shows (and presumably, the radio serials) actually come from) would also be helpful in those articles.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.221.125.141 (talk) 04:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded, four years late.  I am also familiar with the '78 edition (my paperback copy was credited to Robinson on the cover, and I wasn't aware that Wollheim had any involvement) and thought there must have been two different "modernizations" floating about, since no WP article concerning the Buck Rogers concept makes any mention of an edition by Robinson.  I also suspect (having also not read Nowlan's undoctored original) that the passage describing the "Hans" as extraterrestrials despite their Chinese name was probably a later addition intended to reduce the "yellow peril" aspect of the story. 67.162.236.230 (talk) 16:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History/Attribution of Alterations