Talk:Louisiana (New France)

message: Does anyone else see the need for a cleanup on this page?  Some sentences are slipshod and truncated and run-on sentences abound.  This site could use a make-over.  Thoughts?
:Yes, large chucks of it need a sentence by sentence overhaul. There is a lot of information, but the English is poor. This mainly applies from the heading "Template:XVIIIe siècle : le véritable début de la colonisation" onwards. Tellingly that is in French, which I suspect was the original language of much of the text. Chicheley 03:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible cleanup 

message: I am hoping dis-enangle some of the information we have on WP about New France.  Too often Canadian sources treat New France as being synonumous with Canada, New France.  Part of the solution is to make it clear by using an infobox that Canada was a sub-division of New France, as was Acadia, and Lousisia.  To that end, I would like to add the Template:Infobox Former Subdivision to this article as I have done to Acadia and Canada, New France.  I t might look like this:
Thoughts?Kevlar67 21:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the distinction is necessary too. In the late 1750s, Louisiana had almost the full set of provincial institutions that Canada had and as such it could be considered, from a comparative point of view, as almost a province inside the province of New France. Acadia never reached that level of political development because it fell to the British very soon. Are you going to make templates for the other regions of the late New France? -- Mathieugp 23:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I somewhat agree. The more common term in both Canada and the US would be (Colonial) French Louisiana and New France generally does just refer to early Quebec. So I'm in support of moving this article to the more common heading, while making it clear it was part of an administration called New France via links, boxes, whatever. -LlywelynII (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: hi!!(;(: 2600:1700:FBB0:C90:80E7:F11B:7A8F:F064 (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope, Infobox 

message: Nouvelle-France_map-en.svg suffers the same problem that the current map does: it extends far too far into modern Texas (although it gives up rather too much of Oklahoma & far too much of the upper Missouri.) The original map LouisianaPurchase.png has no problem except its ugliness, since this article (now) is about Louisiana and not all of New France. -LlywelynII (talk) 21:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:image:Nouvelle-France_map-en.svg|Nouvelle-France_map-en.svg]] map problematic

message: As I work on my French genealogy, I like to refer to articles like this to give my family history some historical context. But, I was surprised to see the "France Ancient" flag, (Argent, semé-de-lys Or -- that is, "White, strewn with fleurs-de-lys of Gold), rather than the "France Modern" flag, which is Azure (blue), with three large Fleurs-de-lys. I don't claim to know from nothin', but the Wikipedia article on the Fleur-de-lys states:  "Until the late 14th century, the French royal coat of arms was Azure semé-de-lys Or (a blue shield "seeded" (semé) with small golden fleurs-de-lis), but Charles V of France changed the design from an all-over scattering to a group of three in about 1376. These two coats are known in heraldic jargon as France Ancient and France Modern respectively." Even the Kings of England, who included the fleurs-de-lys in their coats of arms, changed to the "France Modern" design, with the three large fleurs-de-lys, after 1411. Since Louisiana wasn't really colonized until the 17th century, over two hundred years later, then shouldn't the "France Modern" flag be used here? PGNormand (talk) 21:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The white flag "semé-de-lys" is likely incorrect here. However, it is correct for royal family members for this period. "France ancien" was blue, not white. "France moderne" with three fleur-de-lys would have been used up to about 1638. It might have flown in older parts of New France, but not in Louisiana. Louisiana officials would likely use the  shown in the New France article during the reign of Louis XIV up to the 1763 Treaty of Paris. After the restoration in 1814, the flag would be plain white, but that would be after the Louisiana Purchase. There was really no state flag of France prior to the French Revolution. Ordinary people didn't fly flags as they do in France and the U.S. today anyway. As Louis XIV said, "I am the state." It is possible that the French tricolor flew over Louisiana on the day of its transfer to the US in 1804. - Parsa (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Proper French Flag?

message: Why are the US flags on this article since it's about the territory before U.S. takeover. ?  I tried to nuke them but it screws up the template.  Americasroof 10:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  They show up next to links the the entities that replaced French Louisiana.  It's like a succession box.Kevlar67 03:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I love this article and refer to it frequently.  However, I think we have to change the templates so that it reflects the true process.  The flags if there is predecessor would be Spain based on Desoto's first claim to the territory (although the Spanish did not settle).  Following would be Louisiana (New Spain) with the fleur de lee as the earlier flag and subsequent flag being the French tri-color for Louisiana (Republic of France).  Following that would be the United States.  The template currently is inaccurate on the dates. Americasroof 01:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well I didn't know we had a seperate article for the Spanish period, so there you go.  Help us create the new one for the Republican era and then we'll have all the bases covered. Kevlar67 23:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US Flags?

message: 07-Jan-2009: To help connect to source materials in French, I added that the French name was "by 1879, La Louisiane français" plus source footnote. The explanation is that "La Louisiane" became the French term (still used today) for the U.S. state, and the colonial district was later called "La Louisiane français" (lowercase "f") in French.  Because both of the terms were used during the 1800s, the 2nd term "La Louisiane français" might seem ancient, being about 200 years old, in the literature. It is a major issue because the English "new" name "French Louisiana" is about 200 years old. Prior to statehood, the French term "La Louisiane" meant the whole region. -Wikid77 (talk) 13:00, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Louisiane is feminine. So it's "française" or "Française", but surely neither "français" nor "Français". With a final "e" to mark the feminine. Normally, in standard French, the lower case "f" prevails, as in this case "française" is an adjective and not a noun.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.2.136.24 (talk) 12:59, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Noted La Louisiane français

message: The article claims that
[…]although interracial marriages and regroupings of slaves were prohibited, planters and their workers often practiced cohabitation and kept mistresses.
The article about the Code Noir mentions nothing of this prohibition, in contrary:
married free men will be fined for having children with their slave concubines, as will the slave concubine's master. If the man himself is the master of the slave concubine, the slave and child will be removed from his ownership. If the man was not married, he should then be married to the slave concubine thus freeing her and the child from slavery (art. 9)
It seems very unlikely that marriage would be both prohibited and prescribed in certain cases.—Graf Bobby (talk) 11:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interracial marriages prohibited? 

message: I noticed that the Map of New France shows a star near the location of Fort St. Jean-Baptiste, but the star is labeled "Fort Rosalie," which was at Natchez. Unless there is something I don't know, shouldn't there be a properly labeled star for each? PGNormand (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fort Rosalie should be on the other side of the Mississippi, at least! Pfly (talk) 17:16, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: PGNormand, I have visited the Fort St. Jean-Baptiste in Natchitoches, LA (Historic District - St.Jean Baptiste) and you are right. There are many problems with the map, and you have pointed to one of the errors. Other editors, including myself, are disputing this map, in the discussion above under #File:LouisianeFran.C3.A7aise01.png_map_problematic. Maybe we can have this map deleted from the Wikimedia Commons, as we have already tried here -- Deletion_requests/File:LouisianeFrançaise01.png. --Skol fir (talk) 17:26, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have a better map available to use instead of this one? Maps showing the Louisiana Purchase seem non-ideal for showing New France Louisiana. There is this one at The Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nouvelle-France_map-en.svg --being in SVG format it should be relatively easy to edit if needed--at the least it would need an edit to show Louisiana's location within the whole of New France. Or is there a better map available somewhere? Pfly (talk) 20:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Pfly, the map you mentioned has the same error, with Ft. Rosalie on the wrong side of the Mississippi. I guess there is nothing better right now, until a new, more honest mapmaker appears. --Skol fir (talk) 22:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It appears, also, by the fifth article of the Treaty of Madrid, March 21st, 1801, that the cession had been made of Louisiana generally. The French, you know, have always extended it to South Carolina and all the country on the Ohio. [emphasis added]  Annals of Congress, 7th Congress, pg. 1037
older ≠ wiser 21:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of New France 

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message: The Language section has no citations, and is, in places, incoherent nonsense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.49.176.208 (talk) 23:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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message: Did Louisiana (New France)  and Spanish Louisiana greatly overlap? Peter Horn User talk 03:18, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlap