Talk:The Open Championship

message: The article was edited to say the event is an official money event on the Japan Golf Tour. Their website (at www.jgto.org) does not indicate that this event is on their schedule. I don't know how else to verify if it is an official money event on the JGT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.42.16.135 (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Japan

message: Any techy Wiki people have any idea why the title of this is replacing the word "Open_" with "concat"??? -- John Owens 15:36 Apr 14, 2003 (UTC)
This could be moved to The Open Championship. The article states that the term British Open in North America; since this encyclopedia is not an American one, the official term could be used. -- Emsworth 03:39, Apr 11, 2004 (UTC)
Bear in mind it's not a British encyclopedia either.--Buckboard 09:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: It is suggested above there is no such tournament formally called the US Open.  If you visit the official site for the US Open (   ) you will note the term used is "U.S. Open".  Further in the historical notes under "History" the site advises "On Oct. 4, 1895, the first U.S. Open Championship was conducted by the United States Golf Association on the nine-hole course of Newport (R.I.) Golf and Country Club" - my emphasis added.  You finally note that at the bottom of the page the registered marks are "U.S. Open" adn "U.S. Open Championship".  It would therefore seem correct to refer to the this championship as the "U.S. Open"
PJB 86.143.231.233 (talk) 13:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The U.S. Open was not always called that -- it was the "Open Championship" as well, or the "National Open Championship".  It most certainly was not called the U.S. Open in 1895.  It is however called the U.S. Open today (even in the U.S.) so yes that should be the name Wikipedia articles use.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 18:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: There is no US Open

message: The 1939 champion was certainly British, and I've found hints that he was English on the internet, but no proof. Does anyone know for sure? Wincoote 17:40, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He was English. He has an article now. Twittenham 17:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Richard / Dick Burton

message: Can't we get a header picture that doesnt have a Rolex logo on it? --81.105.251.160 03:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It's a book cover, and it's only fair use if we use it as it is. Osomec 17:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rolex 

message: British Open... that's what we call it here in America. Let the other language versions of Wiki call it what they want. --SmackingMonkeys (talk) 05:43, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "British English" wikipedia... this is the main wikipedia for all English speakers, not just Americans.  In Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National_varieties_of_English, it states that articles strongly tied to one particular nationality should have that region's dialect and usage.  Since this is a UK tournament, the article should be titled per what is the common name in the UK, which it is.  By the same token, the common names used elsewhere should be mentioned at the top of the article.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 16:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree the name should be changed to British Open, as that's what 90% of the rest of the English speaking world calls even. The naming convention is about spelling, not word choices. It's about color versus colour, not etirely differentwords. I believe the title should be the most well known and used in English, and that would be the British Open. Rolland Garros is called French Open in wikipedia, for example. I see no reason this should get special treatment, and that's the only reason the current title could ahev even got their and stayed more than a day66.190.31.229 (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename Page

message: Not intending to rehash all the old debates above.  As an American, I can certainly understand the confusion because we were simply never exposed to the official name and it sounds so ambiguous upon first hearing.
That said, I was noticing in the 2009 American broadcasts that they were starting to embrace "The Open Championship" in their television graphics and reporting.  Anyone else notice this?  Did the tournament request this?  Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Media coverage using UK name 

message: Mark Twain's real name is Samuel Clemens, but everyone knows him as Mark Twain, hence wikipedia has that for the main title. Roland Garros is the proper name for the French Open, but it's called French Open here because the vast majority of people know it by that name. Now we get to the Brtisih open and surprise, surprise the rules that apply to the USA, France and the rest of the planet, do not apply here because of some kind of British bias. This is ridiculous. Grow up. The world calls it the British open, as far as the title goes that's all that matters. We can't have different rules for Brtish articles than we have for the rest of the world, sorry 66.190.31.229 (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Already discussed ad nauseam. Please see the archives of this talk page. wjematherbigissue 11:41, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  so why is the name not changed? 66.190.31.229 (talk) 11:43, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Nope. I mean the English speaking world as a whole. I'm not aware of a single English-speaking country that refers to it as anything other than the British Open. No one does, anywhere, outside of the UK.66.190.31.229 (talk) 20:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

text: If the majority of English speaking people, regardless of being football/soccer fans or not, refer to "the Boleyn Ground" as Upton Park, then it should be titled Upton Park. I'm a "footbal fan" and have never heard either, probably because I don't care about West Ham in the least.66.190.31.229 (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated before, this discussion has been had over and over (see above), and it serves no purpose to have it again other than to cause disruption and waste everyone's time. The article will remain as presently titled. End. wjematherbigissue 21:47, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  What is the rational for keeping it the ridiculous name no one uses outside of England? And you are in no place to dictate what will happen to this article, unless you are actually Jim Wales.66.190.31.229 (talk) 15:18, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

text: No one cares about the "official title". Maybed you entirely missed the title of this section, huh, in your hurry to further bog down discussion into matters no one cares about likewise? I've looked through all archived discussion on this matter and thereis not a single cogent arguemtn for keeping this ridiculous name for this wiki.66.190.31.229 (talk) 00:43, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

text: As you're so sure 'no-one cares' I take it that you, therefore speak for no-one.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.13.221 (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Twain, The French Open, The British Open, and wikipedia

message: Whatever about the questionable naming of this article, the statement in the lead that the Open is "often referred to as the British Open outside the UK" wrongly implies that it is unusual to refer to the competition as the British Open within the UK. Limiting a Google search to just the .uk domain, Google returns almost equal results for "British Open" as for "Open Championships".) See:  site:uk "British Open"</span> v.  site:uk "Open Championship"</span>.) — Blue-Haired Lawyer t 13:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common name 

message: "PO" is dotted around many golf articles but with no indication what it means. It should really use an ABBR html tag too.
Macgroover (talk) 03:28, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Means the tournament was won in a playoff. Carl Lindberg (talk) 01:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does PO mean? 

message: The Trophies list currently omits the Silver Salver, which were just awarded to Phil Mickelson and Dustin Johnston as runners-up today. Oddly, the website for the Open also omits mention of the Salver. Can anybody add information for this trophy to the article?  PKT(alk) 17:44, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trophies - Silver Salver 

message: In the History section, it is stated: "During this period [1948 to 1958], The Open often had a schedule conflict with the match-play PGA Championship, which meant that Ben Hogan, the best American golfer at this time, competed in The Open just once, in 1953 at Carnoustie, a tournament he won."
The statement is correct about the scheduling conflict in 1953, vague about how "often" this occurred (and that's not easy to find out), and false about the alleged conflicts having any bearing on how often Ben Hogan played the Open.  The fact is that after his crippling accident in 1949, Hogan's legs could not take the rigors of the PGA Championship (the match play format required several 36-hole days), so he NEVER played the PGA during the 1950's (he resumed playing it after it reverted back to stroke play).  He could have played the Open every year, if he had wanted to, but most US pros of that era skipped it, because although it had history and tradition, it paid far less than most US events, to the point that even winning it might not cover the high travel expenses.
Davexvi (talk) 02:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Assertion about Hogan 

message: Born April 20, 1851, Won Open Sept. 23, 1868. So age is 17 years 5 months 3 days. 30+31+30+31+31+3=156 so 17 years and 156 days. Some sources say 17 years 5 months 8 days, 17 years 161 days or even 17 years 181 days. All very confusing.Nigej 08:02, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Young Tom Morris: Age in 1868

message: I made this change at 1871 in sports#Golf. Its second half (bold underscore) resolves one inconsistency that I observed regarding this main article.
* The Open has been administered since 1860 by Prestwick Golf Club but controversy arises in 1871 which prevents the tournament being held. Finally, it is agreed that the tournament will henceforth be organised jointly by The Royal & Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews and The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers.
* The Open has been administered since 1860 by Prestwick Golf Club but controversy prevents the tournament being held in 1871, the only exception outside the two World Wars. Finally it is agreed that Prestwick will henceforth organise the tournament jointly with The Royal & Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews and The Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers.
My change regarding Prestwick's role conforms with this main article --which I suppose correct; if not then both pages now need correction. 
Did controversy --about jurisdiction, I suppose-- forestalled the tournament in 1871? Both these pages say so but Prestwick Golf Club#Originates The Open Championship does not mention any controversy. Instead "Young Tom was entitled under the conditions of the competition to keep [the Belt], so there was no prize to play for in 1871, and hence no Open.[1]" This inconsistency (it seems to me) or ambiguity about the tournament's temporary end in 1870 should be resolved somewhere among the three pages.
 
--P64 (talk) 23:17, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This http://www.theopen.com/en/History/ClaretJug.aspx seems to throw light on the proceedings. WhaleyTim (talk) 06:47, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  1871 controversy and resolution? 

message: For Tommy Armour & Jock Hutchison there are 2 nationalities given but in List of men's major championships winning golfers it has both their wins for USA. Whats going on?Perfectamundo (talk) 00:42, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Perennial issue this. See eg Template talk:Infobox golfer#Nationality field. General view is that "nationality" means "sporting nationality" which means, in my view, that both were regarded as Americans when they won the Open, whether or not they had American nationality at the time. Nigej (talk) 07:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationalities 

message: Since it can be accurately stated that the tournament is held the weekend of the 3rd Friday in July, is there any reason for the article not to indicate that somewhere in the text? MrArticleOne (talk) 19:44, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely simplicity is what we need, not a mathematical puzzle. The "Champions" section show that the Open has started between the 14th and 20th since 1979. Isn't that sufficient? Nigej (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess to me, the fact that it can be ascertained with such certainty is worth mentioning somewhere. MrArticleOne (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Found a spot for it. BTW, It is also mentioned in Men's major golf championships. Nigej (talk) 08:35, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: And, even better, we learn a bit of history, that it has been this arrangement since 1979. Excellent all around. MrArticleOne (talk) 11:50, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scheduling format 

message: I would like to make a minor style change to the opening sentence, but there is a hidden note that any change to it must be discussed on the talk page.  Here's my suggestion:
Change:
 The Open Championship, or simply The Open (often referred to as the British Open), is...
to
 The Open Championship, often referred to as The Open or the British Open, is...
in order to avoid the awkward use of both commas and parentheses to set apart related phrases and to improve the readability.  Gnome de plume (talk) 12:42, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't see a problem. In fact I prefer it, I think. Compare with PGA Championship which has the "outside of the United States" addition. For The Open we've tried to avoid the geographical bit since it's a near impossible task to determine which countries use the "British" tag. Some folk try to persuade us that everyone out the UK uses "British" and others that only the Americans do. A quick google shows the situation is much more complex. Nigej (talk) 13:02, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

text: For many years, it was referred to as "The British Open" here in the USA. But in recent years, I don't think any of the broadcasters here have used the words "British Open" on the air, and if they have, they usually have corrected themselves. It can still take some getting used to, though. And we still call the U.S. Open the U.S. Open here in the States, we don't call it "The Open" simply because we are here in the USA. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

text: I prefer  the change as well - much less awkward.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have gone ahead and made the change.  Thanks.  Gnome de plume (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: There have been a number of changes made recently by a user who thinks that a playoff for prize money should be reflected in the positions. A playoff for the championship is one thing but this is very different. Personally I think the recent changes are a mistake. Nigej (talk) 07:07, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Which page did they do this on? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: on here, see eg winners list for 1870. Also 1870 Open page, relegating Davie Strath to 3rd and then Davie Strath page, making the changes there too. Plenty of others too. Nigej (talk) 09:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: From the official website: "Davie Strath, who had a 49 in the second round, and Bob Kirk shared second place on 161". I think all the edits ought to be reverted. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 14:42, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Revert based on official results from theopen.com. Tewapack (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Can someone look at the 1910 US Open and see what the issues are there. Should there be a 123 or a winner and tie for 2nd. Somewhat different issue there. On hols at the moment. Nigej (talk) 06:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any psitive indication either way. But I notice that when Tewapack added a major results table to Macdonald Smith's article ten years ago, it said (and still does) that he finished third in the U.S. Open. I guess perhaps back then three-way playoffs determined second place also. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 14:56, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

text: The playoffs determined who got second-place money. Have you found sources that consider the loser of a playoff to have finished third? pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 15:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text: The official website credits Fernie with a second place in 1891. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 16:20, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text: It's interesting to think whether the would have been a playoff for 2nd/3rd if one player was a professional and the other one an amateur. It's clear to me that they wouldn't have bothered. The essential reason for the playoff was to determine who got the money. Nigej (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Also as a matter of etiquette its polite to discuss such changes first. Having spent countless hours producing these pages and having thought about these issues when writing the pages, its a bit insulting for some newcomer to treat me and others as complete idiots. Nigej (talk) 18:45, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playoff for prize money 

message: Personally I'm extremely doubtful about the claim that the name has always been The Open Championship. When I go to the British Newspaper Archive (which contains countless 19th century British newspapers) and search for "Open Championship" and golf, I get absolutely nothing until one entry in 1883, two in 1888 and then more and more as time goes on. Certainly by the time the R&A took over running the event in 1920 it was The Open Championship. I suspect the claim is an attempt by the R&A to claim a continuity of the name which does have any real historical basis. It was The Challenge Belt, The Championship, the winner was the Champion golfer of the Year - all these are found in early newspapers but The Open Championship - absolutely nothing. Nigej (talk) 21:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah agreed. The Dundee Advertiser 1889 has "THE OPEN CHAMPIONSHIP. The open golf championship contest, the 18th since the event was reorganised under it". I wouldn't be surprised if the official name coincided with the claret jug. Although, I think we should say it has been the official tournament name from early on. How about:"In 1860, Prestwick Golf Club, the host of the first Open, announced that the tournament "shall be open to the world". Based upon this philosophy, in the early years of the tournament the official title became The Open Championship." Even the R&A's story implies the first one wasn't called The Open Championship. Jopal22 (talk) 22:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with that. I'm just not keen on perpetrating myths. The main point anyway is that it was certainly never called the British Open or the British Championship or anything similar, in its early years. Nigej (talk) 07:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official title 

message: I notice Jim Barnes is labelled as American in all Open articles (although for the count of wins by nationality he is English). In all other wikipedia pages (both other majors, and his page), he is down as English. His world golf HoF profile has 'He immigrated to San Francisco in 1906, but never became an American citizen, remaining an intensely patriotic Cornishman." http://www.worldgolfhalloffame.org/jim-barnes/. The Open website has him as American though https://www.theopen.com/Heritage/PreviousOpens#!/1925/Prestwick. Although the Open website also had Vardon as English, and many players as "British", so I am proposing we ignore what the Open website says in terms of nationality and change him to English across the board? Jopal22 (talk) 15:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a WP:CANOFWORMS topic that comes up every now and then. The generally accepted principle is that we should use the "sporting nationality" of the golfer at the relevant time. Of course, this is an imprecise definition but (I think) we have tried to use it for the likes of Stephen Ames and Mark McNulty. Going back in time, it is sometimes more problematic. By a strange coincidence I have been looking at Brian Barnes (golfer) in the last day or two, one of a number of golfers who switched between England and Scotland. Brian Barnes became "Scottish" quite a long way into his professional career but we seem to have Scottish flags for him even before this date. Sandy Lyle is simpler since he switched to Scottish when he turned professional. Going back further is even more difficult. In the case of the USA, the situation is complicated by the fact that the American PGA decided not to select non-US born players for the Ryder Cup, perhaps giving people the impression that the likes of Jim Barnes were therefore not American golfers. Personally I don't agree with this argument. Jim Barnes played for the USA in 1926 which perhaps indicates that he was regarded as an American by that time. Then we've got the issue of career figures where we might need to use two flags. Nigej (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I understand this risk of opening a WP:CANOFWORMS! Although I think this is slightly different to someone having multiple citizenship, or a British citizen but switching between home nations. He never became an American citizen. I think at the time a player attended representing a club, and the Open had a practice of showing the nationality of the club represented. So the USGA describes him as: Jim Barnes, an Englishman representing the Pelham (N.Y.) Country Club. This is also why Harry Vardon is shown with a England flag instead of Jersey, as he represented Ganton Golf Club, in Yorkshire. So the USGA has him as English in all his US Open tournaments (1912-1932), as that is his sporting nationality. The Open show him with a US flag for all his Open tournaments (1920-1930), as that is the nation of the golf club he represents. So at the moment we show Harry Vardon with a Jersey flag (his sporting nationality), rather than England flag (the nation of his home club - used by the Open), I think we should do the same with Jim Barnes. Jopal22 (talk) 16:43, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm still not 100% convinced. I suspect that the Americans regarded him as English but the Brits regarded him as American. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Ip9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UKUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6367%2C7668955 says "It is a victory for America certainly ... But there is this consolation, that Barnes was born and bred and learned his golf in England." and when Henry Cotton won in 1934 it was "the first British win in the Championship since 1923... In the interval America held a monopoly". (https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=6aNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=maUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6064%2C86047) Henry Cotton was certainly regarded as English even when in Belgium. Of course, Cotton was a PGA member while Barnes was a PGA of America member. Anyway, it's not a bit deal for me. Happy to go with anything really. It's just a little odd having a period of American monopoly with an English flag in the middle of it. Nigej (talk) 20:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah looking at various other sources they don't agree between US and English. I just thought that because Harry Vardon's nationality was different from theOpen.com reporting, that it might be felt unreliable. Tommy Armour and Jock Hutchison both actually got US citizenship, and are shown with both Scottish and US flags in their wikipedia page/ winning Open year article, so I think we should go for both English and US flags. Thanks Jopal22 (talk) 22:26, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good compromise I think. Worth reading this about the 1921 team: https://digital.la84.org/digital/collection/p17103coll2/id/5448/rec/3 from May 1921: "The American team is American in every aspect and those little differences such as being of foreign birth were really submerged long ago through contact with citizens of Uncle Sam. Therefore, virtually speaking, every member of this team is an All-American, and they are going to do their best to bring back the title. Carrying with it, as it does, the official sanction of the Professional Golfers' Association, the team should go a long way in its struggle, and everyone wishes them all the success that their efforts warrant. With an American-born professional as their captain and several others as members who are homebreds, the haunting fear that the team might be composed largely of pros from the British Isles has been dissipated." Barnes was ill and didn't play in the Gleneagles match but those Americans who did were presented with medals with "For America" engraved  to them. Although perhaps by 1927, views had changed since the American PGA excluded foreign-born players from the 1927 Ryder Cup. Nigej (talk) 08:32, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I noticed the PGA of America lists the number of PGA Champions by "country of birth", which is a convenient way of avoiding the nationality issue. Although I'm sure they'll change that if Justin Rose won though! Essentially though, the nationality of these players is subjective, so I like the double flags Jopal22 (talk) 18:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Barnes 

message: Perhaps the correct course for the current year should be on site. 2A01:4C8:1428:CF92:1:2:55DE:BE28 (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 Open is not at Royal St. George's. 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below.  Dekimasuよ! 04:50, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Open Championship →  – I've looked everywhere on the site and for the life of me I can't find it called "The Open Championship" anywhere. It is certainly often called the "British Open" but not officially "The Open Championship." Sponsors like Mastercard and The Open Accommodation Bureau or the BBC use "The Open." It should not be the title of the article but simply an alternate name in use. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:19, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you realize the link you gave also says the U.S. Open Championship? Do we move that article also? Nothing on the The Open website uses The Open Championship... nor do they sell anything with it. Google is overwhelming in "The Open" and "The British Open." I'm not sure what it takes to convince people but this really looked like a no-brainer as far as usage. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is that there's a large number of uses of "The Open Championship" https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61061633 https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/61227206 https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/schedule.html https://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/the-open-championship.html etc etc, so the usage issue is not clear cut IMO Nigej (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

text: *Will take a mulligan...how about per long-term historical significance? That works. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

text: How are you figuring that? If you go to the tournament itself all it says everywhere is "The Open". That's it. All over the page "The Open." The webpage itself is "theopen.com". All I asked is since the tournament calls itself "The Open", google listings call the event "The Open", and the BBC calls it "The Open", and it's the primary topic for the name, why should it be at the "The Open Championship"? With all the decapitalization going on right now at Wikipedia, the word "Championship" is probably going to be downgraded to lowercase anyway. It just seemed to me that WP:COMMONNAME would tell us to use "The Open" for a title and then also referred to as The Open Championship or the British Open. That's why a brought up the move request. If it stays it stays. I enjoy watching golf, especially the four majors, but it's not my forte. It just seemed like strange title when all I ever seem to hear is "The Open" from announcers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The suspicion is that the the reason is that the broadcasters have a contractual requirement to use that name. Other parts of the media, not so constrained, do use other terms. Nigej (talk) 05:14, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

text: We'll be confusing two issues if we're not careful. One is the name of the article. The other is whether it is/was "often referred to as ... the British Open". These are completely unrelated and the issue here is the former, the name of the article. Nigej (talk) 17:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

text: On the "British Open" topic, see https://www.smh.com.au/sport/golf/why-british-open-would-be-wrong-to-close-door-on-norman-20220428-p5agva.html "Why British Open would be wrong to close door on Norman" from Australia. Nigej (talk) 18:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Per WP:NATURAL it should be "The Open." Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Prove it. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

text: No chance that's its only name. It's called The Open, The Open championship, and the British Open. It calls itself "The Open" and I felt that is the most prevalent title... hence my asking for the title move. Consensus can certainly keep the lesser used title but the closer will want to know the reason we should use a lesser used title. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To me it's still a matter of WP:PRECISION. As noted above, "The Open" could apply to a whole host of events, although this is probably the primary topic. However to me "The Open Championship" most clearly defines this particular event, per "Natural disambiguation" (WP:QUALIFIER) Nigej (talk) 06:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that "The Open" redirects to here, and every bit of merchandise sold for the event by the official tournament also uses "The Open", so it seems that is the most precise term. I understand your point but I guess we just disagree on this. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:58, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: My point really is that if you went to Australia and talked to a golfer there about "The Open", they wouldn't instantly know whether you're referring to this event or the Australia version. However if you said "The Open Championship" or the "British Open" they would. So to me "The Open" is less precise. Nigej (talk) 07:08, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If they would get confused by "The Open" then for the same reason they would get confused by "The Open championship." Only the "British Open" would really be more precise. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect they don't refer to their own event as "The Open Championship" since the normal short forms of the "The Australian Open Championship" are "The Australian Open" and "the Open" (when the context is clear). Nigej (talk) 08:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

text: You're the one who's making stuff up. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:33, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Perhaps most golfers call it the The Open nowadays, but the truth is that for a 100 years and more the majority of golfers around the world called it the British Open. We're simply reflecting that. Whether its a naff name or not, is not for us to decide. Nigej (talk) 05:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Take your own advice. --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:37, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Newspapers.com comes up with 2,156,314 matches to "British Open", Trove (Australia) comes up with 33,716, Papers Past (New Zealand) has 8,380. The idea that Wikipedia, an encyclopedia, should air-brush this widely-used name from history doesn't make sense. Nigej (talk) 05:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Looks like you've been socking under . --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Meaning what? --←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:28, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
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message: Is this sentence accurate: "It is called The Open because it is in theory "open" to all, i.e. professional and amateur golfers".
In theory is it open to all or is it in theory just open to all male golfers? (Fran Bosh (talk) 12:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It is open to female golfers too Jopal22 (talk) 13:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok. Thanks. (Fran Bosh (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason it is called The Open 

message: The "preview page" pop-up is not working for the link to the Wikipedia page for "The R&A" (at the bottom of the first paragraph). The little box shows up but it is blank. Kitchenknight (talk) 17:23, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "preview page" pop-up not working