Talk:Big Brother (American TV series)

message: You have a good start here, but the article needs several fixes before it will be ready for GA status.
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* Too much use of passive voice - almost the entire article.  Use active voice for clear prose.
* Many awkward constructions such as, "The live show is broadcast live on Thursday nights.", grammatical errors, punctuation errors, etc.  Work over the entire article with a copy editor who is interested in the topic.
* Entirely too much reliance on primary sources (episodes or official web sites).  Many more reliable, secondary sources are needed.
* The lead contains a statement that the show's name is based on Orwell's novel, but that is not discussed in the article or backed up by a source.
* There is no discussion about who developed the series, how, why, etc.
* The "Live Show" and "Live Internet feeds" headings need sources
* The entire "Competitions" section is original research.
* Some headings do not follow Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings).
* The second paragraph under "Main series" is awkwardly written.  It speaks of "the announcer" before we know who or what the announcer is.
* The "Format" section is hard to follow and introduces terms that are not defined for the reader such as "HouseGuests" and "Diary Room", "power", "silver", etc.  Readers who don't watch the show will not be able to follow this. See Wikipedia:Explain jargon.
* In the first paragraph of that section, it is not necessary to put a citation after every sentence when they are all the same source.
* The heading "Shows" needs a better title and more context, such as a lead paragraph describing what this section is about.  Related shows?  Spin-offs?  
* The "Criticisms and Controversy" section contains unnecessary detail about events on the show and no discussion of how the show is received by critics.
* Some references are not properly formatted: extra brackets around links.  See Wikipedia:Footnotes.
Thanks for all your hard work on this article; I'm sure you can make it to GA status in the future. --Bloodzombie 15:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to re-do this article to make it GA the re-assessment. I was going to work on Big Brother 12 (U.S.) but this is a higher important article. This will take some time to make sure everything as adequate sources, the lead needs to be re-worked, etc. This article should be a general overview of Big Brother and the individual details like the America's Vote and Pandora's Box tables should be removed. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 17:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination failed 

message: It might be helpful to briefly mention how the concept was from by the Dutch Endemol. Currently, it sounds like it was a Endemol US concept Nil Einne 13:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Concept

message: It says in the article that: "As each member of the Jury is evicted from the House they are sequestered in a separate house."
This is false, as far as I know.  In BB9 the evicted houseguests were shown together in the Jury house.--Agnaramasi (talk) 17:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say "each sequestered in each one of their own separate houses."  Therefore it's fine as is. --luckymustard (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jury house

message: Can you please create the article of list of Big Brother (U.S) contestants page? Just like the contestant lists of Survivor, The Amazing Race and America's Next Top Model. --ApprenticeFan (talk) 11:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestants article 

message: http://www.realitybbqforums.com/showthread.php?p=247943
--Cooly123 (talk) 16:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't use fansites or forums as sources. If you can find reliable sites with that information then it could be included. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings  

message: Will there finally be a celebrity big brother to premiere after the superbowl or in early 2010?--Cooly123 01:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 season  

message: In what season was the spy screen started?  4 or 5 and can that be place within its season article.--Cooly123 00:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  HOH spy screen 

message: There should be mention of the big brother themed episode of Yes Dear which had actual contestants from prior season and used the actual house.--Cooly123 18:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes Dear 

message: I've made a new season table; what do you think about it?
Lamp301 (talk) 02:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Season Details Table, season 14, currently has a fake winner listed. (The show hasnt progressed that far yet)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.94.32 (talk) 00:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How's the new season table working out? 

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Reference named "ReferenceA":
From The Bold and the Beautiful: http://www.amazon.com/The-Bold-And-Beautiful-Began/dp/B009ZVPFUK/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
From Big Brother (TV series): Big Brother Germany has been replaced since 2012 by Berlin Tag und Nacht, a new format which is a huge success with up to 1 million spectators.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:25, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Big Brother (U.S.)]] 

message: Does the content at User:Llibllib have a place at this article, or is this account using his userpage as a webhosting service? Please advise/delete. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A userpage draft for this article 

message: Before Big Brother 16 had ended this page looked awesome, it was displayed ina  way where it was easy to read, easy to find what you were looking for, and now it's just a big mess, all the seasons are in one paragragh (mind you a long one) but it seems way too messy! It was much better when it was sperated season by season! It looked nice and not messed up like how it is now! Really hope it switches back, cause this is just too messy and all over the place!
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Looks like no cares? Oh well, I'm pretty sure this page will be getting a notice for evaluation. I may just hand this article in as a high school essay, as thats how it's written, I'm sure to get an A+ on it right? Since it's "proudly" posted on this site, I'll see what my high school teacher thinks, if I get an A+ I will apologize to you, but I'm pretty sure the grade I would get if I hand in this mess of an article! I do not mean to offend anyone (much) but seriously. look at this page, it's cluttered, all the season details are shoved in one very long paragraph and an extremely messy one as well. But if whoever wrote/posted it this way is happy the way it is, again, I'm sure my high shcool teacher will feel the same!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.104.99.158 (talk) 06:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened? 

message: It has come to my attention some of the Big Brother (U.S.) seasonal articles have formatting issues regarding eviction statuses.  Wikipedians have established a protocol, requiring the "to evict" phrase to go on a separate line.  Even though those seasonal articles do not directly involve finance, the accounting concept of consistency still applies.--OfficerAPC (talk) 22:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting History Formatting 

message: It appears some of the edits include a summary of Big Brother 17 (U.S.) that is NOT written in the neutral point of view.  They have been reverted as such until we can get a summary that complies with this policy.--OfficerAPC (talk) 19:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summarizing BB Seasons 

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message: Is there a source for the number of days in the house that's listed at here for CBB??? TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment, we don't have a reliable source for that information.  In fact, we don't know what day the celebrity houseguests will officially move in. OfficerAPC (talk) 02:42, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright I'll remove it then. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:44, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I removed it for you. OfficerAPC (talk) 03:33, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes I went to remove it and when I saved it was an edit conflict so thank you. And speaking on the topic I found a source that was published last night that explicitly states "Scratch all that first-night business. Apparently, celeb HGs move in this week and will have the first week without us watching. Well nuts." we've used this website for a source on most things however we still don't know the exact day but it begins to give us an idea to narrow down. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Big Brother 

message: Hi! I started a discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother about aligning all the various versions and seasons of Big Brother (franchise) with the guidelines of Wikipedia:Naming conventions (television). I created a table showing all the different various naming conventions currently in use and recommended article names based on my understanding of WP:NCTV. I'm posting this notice to all applicable areas for a broad discussion. Thank You! ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 20:26, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming of various Big Brother articles 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at  Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother#Discussion about Template:Big Brother housemates and Template:Big Brother endgame .  Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 09:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother#Discussion about Template:Big Brother housemates and Template:Big Brother endgame ]]

message: Why are we listing the season names on the table rather than just the numbers. It throws off all of the data and makes the chart look uneven. By the way nobody says Big Brother: Death do...whatever. It was dropped like season 17 was Big Brother: Takeover. Everyone just refers to it as BB9
--Nobo71-Wikipedia.org 00:57, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we should be consistent with what to call these in the table. OfficerAPC (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've removed the names but added  notes if that's alright? TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:20, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Season Names

message: For the "Main edition" table in the "Series details and viewership" section, do we really need to have a column for CBS when the content is the same for each cell in the column? Seems unnecessary, especially since the table is so large. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:28, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to look this up later but I believe the MOS is not to include "Network" unless there has been a change in networks airing the show. Now if BBOTT was included in the main table then yes the column would be needed. Since BBOTT is separated from the main table then "Network" should only be used in the "Digital edition" table since it aired on All Access. Also this brings another long standing question I've always had. Do we need notes beside the number of HouseGuests explaining returnees? For an overview table I don't think this is needed since each season article and List of Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests notes who is new/returning. Same with the CBB2 we just need the actual # of HouseGuests which is 11. When someone clicks on the season link or visits List of Big Brother (U.S. TV series) houseguests there they can find out that there was a fake HouseGuest. IMO we should only use the notes section for details relevant to the table like the subtitles used for season 7 & 9 and explaining why BB1 and BBOTT "Final vote" is different from the rest. Things like BB11's final vote doesn't need a note because it follows the same style as the other seasons. Readers can click on the link to the season article to find out America was a juror that year. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 18:57, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In line with my previous comment I don't think a note should explain the Twin Twist of BB5 and BB17 either that's best left to the article. Overall I believe there should just be 3 notes for the tables. Alucard 16❯❯❯ chat? 19:01, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, generally per MOS:TVOVERVIEW the network column is only included if a series aired on more than one network. It is also generally only included if a series has aired more than one season. I made exceptions for both those because if we go by the generally accepted standard than the OTT table wouldn't exist at all on this table. However, since it does exist I made an exception to include the network column since it aired on a separate network. So I'm neutral either way but if we follow MOS as far to remove the network column than the OTT table should be removed as well since it also violates MOS. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

text:  I took your suggestion on the notes and removed all but the three. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:07, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Series details and viewership", "Main edition" table 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Big Brother season article format on whether we should use, abandon, or rewrite Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother/Structure of series or season articles. Jayab314 16:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#Big Brother season article format]] 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :BBUS. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 October 14#BBUS until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "BBUS" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: After Big Brother 10 (American season), starting from Big Brother 11 (American season), somehow the Big Brother title cards dropped the number part. Exceptions are Big Brother 20 (American season) and Big Brother 22 (American season). Must we show readers how to differentiate the title cards and cover arts just by backgrounds if numbers and subtitles are absent? George Ho (talk) 09:04, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season-specific covers and logos (post-BB10) 

message: Should a color be added on the Voting History table for houseguests who win the Veto, or are originally nominated but are saved by the Veto winner? Right now there's a color for Head of Household (green), nominated Houseguests (blueish-purple), individual immunity (yellow), and team immunity (light orange). TheRealJackMarshall (talk) 18:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting History Table - Veto Winner/Vetoed Colors 

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thread_title:  Big Brother Cast