Talk:Bermuda Triangle/Archive 1

message: The Devil's Triangle link redirects to the Bermuda Triangle.  From what the article says, the Devil's Triangle is on the other side of the Earth.  This should be looked into.  Is this name synonymous?
No, the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Triangle are not the same. The Devil's Triangle is off the coast of Japan, and although they are both Katrina could be dangerous!]] comment was added by 71.131.205.141 (talk • contribs) 01:32, January 11, 2006 (UTC).</small>
: A Google search of Devil's Triangle] turns up lots of pages on Bermuda Triange.  --AySz88^-^ 04:31, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are referring to is "The Devil's Sea" a section of ocean located near Japan. See RE.:MAP in this section. Martial Law 01:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Devil's Triangle

message: This page is POV.  While it true that the legend is just that, a legend, I do not feel it is the job of Wikipedia to make that distinction.  All the facts should be presented, and conclusions should be left to the reader.  Scooter 06:36, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There don't really seem to be any POV problems any more here, although the article could probably use more work.  I've removed the POV tag.  If anyone disagrees, feel free to undo; try to post an explanation for it though.  Ikh 12:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The advent of wireless communications, radar, and satellite navigation meant that the unexplained disappearances largely ceased at some point in the 20th Century. The occasional vessel still sinks, but rarely without a trace. This section would seem to be POV and vague: "at some point" is not at all precise, and glosses over Gian Quasar's 2003 book which contains lists of missing aircraft & vessels which Quasar asserts were researched from various official sources (US Coast Guard, Navy, Air Force etc). Quasar also lists a number of missing vessels from 1999-2001 over at http://www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/recent_statistics.html (however he notes that the list must be "treated with caution" and mentions a number of reasons for this). The 2005 SCi-Fi channel documentary, too, claims various craft have gone missing since the turn of the 21st Century. The documentary also plays a couple of recordings taken of the final radio calls from aircraft pilots who went missing.. "The advent of wireless communications" certainly does not mean that unexplained disappearances were suddenly a thing of the past -the recordings can lead to speculations, but those aired in the documentary did not contain any specific mention by the pilots that their aircraft was actually in the process of crashing- and yet they are missing and wreckage has either not been found or is inconclusive (swept away by Gulf Stream currents, perhaps?). While suspending judgement on the validity of Quasar's work (I want to examine his book first-hand), his website on the matter and the Sci-Fi Channel's documentary certainly contain some plausible points and should at least be mentioned in the article body to give a more balanced POV. What does everyone think? Bezapt 15:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I don't particularly like the term, but in the interest of NPOV I'm leaving it in.  I felt it was in better taste to at least provide a source for the term.  An Altavista search gives 17 hits.  Skeptic's Dictionary is the only one that appeared to claim copyright to the page containing the term (SD claims copyright to all content on the site).  So that's the one I'm citing, but it is of course possible that someone else coined the term first...  Charm 22:49, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)
=== I don't buy this theory ===
I don't think this is a sound theory.  First, even though methane is "lighter" than air at sea level, if large quantities are to be released, it will rise until the it reaches an altitude where it shares the same density than air.  This, therefore, will not affect the lift of the aeroplane, or any instrumentation, including altimeter (which operates based on ambient pressure, not so much air pressure).
What may be harmful, is that large quantity is released, and is mixed with air at a proportion that is combustable.  The engine of the plane (as well as lightening) may set it off.  This, however, is highly unlikely, as constant bulk air movement will always make sure that the mixture is too lean to burn.
--Bart weisser 23:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't buy the atmospheric methane part either.  I have never seen a credible reference associated with this theory.  Unless I see opposition, at some point I will come back and delete it. --129.173.105.28 21:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to place an opinion on whether this is the right explaination or not, but I think the idea is that a methane bubble rising to the surface of the water and then through the air can swallow a ship or plane which was unfortunate enough to fly through it at the moment.  I don't think there's any suggestion that the bubble would sit there for a long period of time. -PK9 09:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, the methane would disperse rapidly - to think of it as one big bubble just sailing up into the atmosphere is pretty silly. StrengthCoach 01:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Could it be possible that it isn't that the methane burns or lightens the air, but rather that it causes the engines to stall?  I believe it has been proven that it takes no more than 1% methane content in the air to cause that particular rotary airplane engine to stall.  Besides the engine exhaust does not get hot enough to combust the methane, even if it was in enough of a concentration.  There was a program on the Discovery Channel on 3/23/06 about the methane theory.  --65.190.140.201 04:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NO. Methane would disperse rapidly. Sounds like the Bermuda Triangle version of the Robertson Panel at work. Besides there has been people who has had close escapes with this area. One guy had flown into the area and got boosted in time. Martial Law 18:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: YES Methane would disperse in air, and it would have an effect on the air, there may be a sudden upwind filled with gas. A pilot unaware and using a WWII kind of airplane (no jet engines) suddenly got his airplane in an unstable colmn wind. And as they didnt fly that fast in those days it would be enough to turn it over. If a pilot would fly down it also wouldn't see the sea, since the gas rapidly creates dust around the area due to depresurasation when going out of the water. The pilot might think he goes up to the clouds. So suddenly thumbling in an airplane which had allready bad navigation devices in those days. He would slam right into the sea or get lost later. One might wonder then how could the gas erupt well thats because th area is also vulcanic active. This can result in rapid heating and melting of the hydrated gas below. eruptions are sudden and masive localy, and posibly even mixed with oter vulcanic (acid) gasses.
The bubble of methane idea has been used to explain the finding of a disappeared trawler in the North Sea. the ship, which had been lost for several years, was found upright and undamaged on the sea bed. It has been postulated that a bubble of methane, perhaps disturbed by a minor quake, rose into the water, churning into a foam which would be unable to support a ship's weight. Totnesmartin 21:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oceanic flatulence 

message: I don't think this is a sound theory.  First, even though methane is "lighter" than air at sea level, if large quantities are to be released, it will rise until the it reaches an altitude where it shares the same density than air.  This, therefore, will not affect the lift of the aeroplane, or any instrumentation, including altimeter (which operates based on ambient pressure, not so much air pressure).
What may be harmful, is that large quantity is released, and is mixed with air at a proportion that is combustable.  The engine of the plane (as well as lightening) may set it off.  This, however, is highly unlikely, as constant bulk air movement will always make sure that the mixture is too lean to burn.
--Bart weisser 23:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't buy the atmospheric methane part either.  I have never seen a credible reference associated with this theory.  Unless I see opposition, at some point I will come back and delete it. --129.173.105.28 21:55, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to place an opinion on whether this is the right explaination or not, but I think the idea is that a methane bubble rising to the surface of the water and then through the air can swallow a ship or plane which was unfortunate enough to fly through it at the moment.  I don't think there's any suggestion that the bubble would sit there for a long period of time. -PK9 09:18, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, the methane would disperse rapidly - to think of it as one big bubble just sailing up into the atmosphere is pretty silly. StrengthCoach 01:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Could it be possible that it isn't that the methane burns or lightens the air, but rather that it causes the engines to stall?  I believe it has been proven that it takes no more than 1% methane content in the air to cause that particular rotary airplane engine to stall.  Besides the engine exhaust does not get hot enough to combust the methane, even if it was in enough of a concentration.  There was a program on the Discovery Channel on 3/23/06 about the methane theory.  --65.190.140.201 04:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NO. Methane would disperse rapidly. Sounds like the Bermuda Triangle version of the Robertson Panel at work. Besides there has been people who has had close escapes with this area. One guy had flown into the area and got boosted in time. Martial Law 18:28, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: YES Methane would disperse in air, and it would have an effect on the air, there may be a sudden upwind filled with gas. A pilot unaware and using a WWII kind of airplane (no jet engines) suddenly got his airplane in an unstable colmn wind. And as they didnt fly that fast in those days it would be enough to turn it over. If a pilot would fly down it also wouldn't see the sea, since the gas rapidly creates dust around the area due to depresurasation when going out of the water. The pilot might think he goes up to the clouds. So suddenly thumbling in an airplane which had allready bad navigation devices in those days. He would slam right into the sea or get lost later. One might wonder then how could the gas erupt well thats because th area is also vulcanic active. This can result in rapid heating and melting of the hydrated gas below. eruptions are sudden and masive localy, and posibly even mixed with oter vulcanic (acid) gasses.
The bubble of methane idea has been used to explain the finding of a disappeared trawler in the North Sea. the ship, which had been lost for several years, was found upright and undamaged on the sea bed. It has been postulated that a bubble of methane, perhaps disturbed by a minor quake, rose into the water, churning into a foam which would be unable to support a ship's weight. Totnesmartin 21:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't buy this theory 

message: I rewrote part of the intro, the bit about the Dennis's Triangle. I also made a few minor edits, and added some information about the "spinning compasses" and their explanations. I added "Scientific explanations" to help organize the lower parts, and changed the broken image  to the appropriate metawiki upload link. PDF is not an image filetype, and we don't need to make broken image links that just refer to a working link. (See the link at Image:Marine Sulphur Queen.pdf) --Fourthgeek 03:42, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourthgeek's Changes

message: Why does this article link to Devil's Triangle, which is a redirect to this page? Should there be two separate articles?  Ojw 18:24, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I just thought that too. Its also confusing how it says that the Devils triangle is in the Pacific, but centred on a Bimini which is a place in Bermuda (i.e in the Atlantic, not the Pacific) I changed it to read "The Bermuda Triangle is also known as the Devil's Triangle." - I think its just an alternate name for the same thing. Astrokey44 11:04, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bimini is an island of the Bahamas, not "a place in Bermuda". Canonblack 17:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

text: ..ah I think I see now, whoever wrote that got the Devil's Sea confused with Devil's Triangle. Astrokey44 11:06, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there are 12 areas of this sort. See MAP below. Martial Law 18:18, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which only lends so credibility to the idea that getting lost at sea is by no means an unusual or paranormal occurrence. - Kuzain 05:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Devil's triangle

message: "... simply disappeared, an account which isn't entirely true."
:When being told something's not entirely true, it'd be nice to at least hear why...
"Unfortunatly Columbes died on 2007."
:Huh?
::Ok, this is messed up... the above quote has disappeared from the article now (a few moments after I noted it here) - apparently with no editing being done.
:::Sign your posts, please.  I agree with the critique of the first line you cited.  I think it's symptomatic of the weakness of this article as it now stands.  The overall tone does not sound detached or analytical but alternately embraces both sides of the "argument" without presenting much evidence.  The fact is that the "Bermuda triangle" has been pretty throughly debunked and Berlitz, the source of many of the accounts on which the legend is based, has been thoroughly discredited.  There is no mention of this in the article, however (Berlitz wrote a lot of far-fetched books in the 1970s, all of which have been torn apart by serious researchers armed with empirical facts), and like Erich Von Daniken (who was similarly discredited), people seem to be re-embracing this folderol.  The "Bermuda triangle mystery" is only a mystery to people who are not aware of the facts.  The article should be presenting this not as a possible reality but as a myth or legend, discuss why it became popular mythology in the 1970s, and detail how it was debunked.  There should be no room for far-fetched supposition like the bit about methane bubbles.  The overarching truth -- presented in several places in the article but worthy of more prominent presentation -- is that ships and planes do not disappear in the "triangle" any more frequently or mysteriously than they do anywhere else in the world, and the handful of incidents popularly cited as "proof" (such as Flight 19) are not at all mysterious in light of substantiated fact. Canonblack 17:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight 19 

message: The information about the torpedo bomber is incorrect. The Avenger weighed five tons empty and would sink like a rock. 
Critical to understanding what may have happened is that the flight leader thought he was over the Florida Keys. It has been proposed he mistook one of the islands for the Keys but that is a stunning mistake. They had not been in the air long enough to have flown from the bombing range to the Keys and they were flying away from the keys. Radio traffic and a fisherman's sightings established that they performed the bombing practice. 
The problem and radio messages happened after that first turn they should have been flying roughly north toward the second turn then south west back toward Ft Lauderdale. 
There have been other mental events on military missions, scientific expeditions, and space flights (Soyuz 21).
L K Tucker 06:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight 19 

message: These were the real word that were said, only he was murdered by some assasins " It's all a big lie'" the rest is covered in blood. Though many deny this. they say it was riped and the murderers forgot to rip or burn the rest. please take this seriosly. - mr.X - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.34 (talk • contribs) 20:34, December 13, 2005 (UTC).
* Apparently another mystery of our time deserving of in-depth analysis, the question of what, exactly, this talk-entry is supposed to mean, let alone who is responsible for writing it down. --Chr.K. 00:31, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Bermuda triangle all its cut out to be? 

message: Added in the loss of the Star Tiger.  If anyone has a satisfactory explanation of the event, please contact the Civil Air Ministry of Bermuda...they'll no doubt welcome the update to their records.  Information on the disappearance sourced from Into the Bermuda Triangle, by Gian J. Quasar, copyright 2004. --Chr.K. 01:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions for consideration

message: First up, I wanna address the recent additions about the Star Tiger. so YES this incident is important and as yet unsolved. But this is seemingly (in my opinion at least) the only genuinely baffling and unexplainable incident so far - all the others have plausible explanations attached to them. So lets just say for the sake of the argument that Star Tiger's dissapearance was due to paranormal causes. This makes the case of the Star Tiger interesting, but it DOES NOT, IN ANY WAY imply that the bermuda triangle is a paranormal region. If you also assume that all other incidents from the region are non-paranormal (not an unreasonable assumption IMO) then this becomes an isolated paranormal event with no relationship to the geographical area. 
So, I feel that the Star Tiger case should be part of the article. However I feel that more emphasis should be put on the fact that this is the only case that really is a mystery, and that overall the statistics still show nothing overly weird about the area.
As for the article overall, its a mess. The hypotheses about methane and suchlike need to be clarified as just that - hypotheses. The article seems to give them undue credibility IMO. Also the order of the article is all wrong - the start of the article essentially rubbishes the idea that the region is paranormal, but then you read into the bit concerning Star Tiger and suddenly the article implies that the region is highly paranormal!!! This is all wrong, the important caes should be repositioned. Also I feel a conclusion should be written summing up the facts - i.e. that the area's reputation for being paranormal is largely media hype and speculation based on poor research with the exception of one case, and that hence the interesting stuff is all to do with star tiger, NOT the bermuda triangle.
Well there you have it, discuss! --wilhen01 01:13, 26 March 2006
:I do greatly apologize for having real life stuff get in the way of putting up the sheer volume of information on the weirdness of this region.  Not only is Star Tiger not the only unexplained case, to call it that borders on ludicrous (as I mentioned a long while back, and seems to have been deleted here).  Therefore, we'll take them one at a time, in chronological order.  First up, the disappearance of the DC-3 NC16002 on December 28, 1948 . As for the issue of the article implying immediately that it is not paranormal, this is the result of several posters putting in total POV, by marginalizing the very idea of it being paranormal to begin with...then coming up against my research into Star Tiger, Star Ariel *gets tired of saying their names*, and soon the DC-3 just mentioned, all in the space of inside three years. To put it simply, they want to debunk the idea of the Triangle, and I've read too much on the actual transcripts of what happened to agree. Getting them on Wikipedia, however, is tougher due to time constraints. --Chr.K. 05:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Next up, the disappearance of the R7V-1 Lockheed Super Constellation Flight 441 on 30 October 1954. --Chr.K. 07:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Star Tiger along with the Star Ariel is found in Charles Berlitz's book The Bermuda Triangle, as is other ship and plane dissappearences. This is a citation of source for said aircraft dissappearence. Martial Law 08:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The citiation of Star Tiger and Star Ariel is from Gian J. Quasar's book into the Bermuda Triangle, not Berlitz'.  Berlitz made way too many mistakes, I'll be the first to admit, though thankfully not NEAR as many as Kusche did. --Chr.K. 05:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions/Overall article 

message: I think this article desparately needs citations, particularly in these two sections:
-the methane flatulence section needs to either cite the proofs or the theories, or needs to be rewritten/editted out.  The linked wikipedia article does not discuss these hypotheses or proofs whatsoever.
-The Star Tiger section needs references.  Italicising text is not enough.  Quoted texted in general always needs sourcing. 144.136.70.240 10:41, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Star Tiger along with the Star Ariel is found in Charles Berlitz's book The Bermuda Triangle, as is other ship and plane dissappearences. This is a citation of source for said aircraft dissappearence. Martial Law 08:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The citiation of Star Tiger and Star Ariel is from Gian J. Quasar's book into the Bermuda Triangle, not Berlitz'.  Berlitz made way too many mistakes, I'll be the first to admit, though thankfully not NEAR as many as Kusche did. --Chr.K. 05:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed 

message: Did anyone here forget that a rescue plane dissappeared while a massive search for the other planes was well underway ? This is in Charles Berlitz's book as well. I have a copy of this book. 
The plane actually vanished. It did not crash, it just vanished. Martial Law 09:52, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, explain above comment, Second, the plane that dissappeared during the Search and Rescue attempt of Flight 19 was a Martin Mariner Flying Boat which had a crew of 13 when it too had vanished during the operation. No crash, no explosion, it just vanished. Third, please sign your statements. As stated, I have a copy of Charles Berlitz's book. Why is this not mentioned in the article ? Martial Law 19:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It didn't "just vanish". The captain of the Gaines Mills saw a plane catch fire, plummet into the sea and explode - in the area where the plane would have been. But Berlitz says the captain only saw a flare. Why would he say that? Totnesmartin 21:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seen the first part in the history files, so "One / First" is explained. Martial Law 20:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rescue plane

message: The Bermuda Triangle also known as the Devil's Triangle stirs up fear in many people because of its natorious reputation. Its notoiety beganin the mid-year nineteenth century, when there were mysteriously abandoned ships found. In 1945, a training squandron of five US navy bombers disappeared. The squandron of fourteen crewmen went missing after radioing a series of distress message and later a seaplane sent in search of the squandron also vanished as it went missing. Since then there were many reports on missing aircrafts and ships around the area.VVVVEEEERRRRYYYY CCCCRRRREEEEAAAAPPPPYYYY!
Scientific evaluations of the Bermuda Triangle have concluded that the number of disappearences in the reigion is not abnormal and that most of the have logical explanations. However, many people still assosiate the Bermuda Triangle with death and mystery. There are many explanations that link to the tragedies. Some proposed that the cause is an action of physical forces unknown to science while others think there is a hole in the sky above the area. Some other theorists said that the cause is an unusual chemical component in the region's seawater. The most popular belief is thatthe missing people were abducted by extraterrestrial beings.
:What does this have to do with anything more than a cross between a rant and an advertisement for a book??  It's material like the above that does a disservice to the study of anomalous phenomena reported both in the western Atlantic and everywhere else. --Chr.K. 15:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too right. there's enough sloppy (or no) research, and working from a book someone read 20 years ago, clouding up this topic. has anyone noticed how many Bermuda triangle websites just copy each other word for word? Totnesmartin 21:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bermuda Triangle 

message: In the Charles Berlitz's book concerning the Bermuda Triangle, there is a drawn map of this planet that indicates 12 areas that are equi-distant from each other. Two are on the poles, two are mentioned in the article. I have a copy of the map in my copy of this book. Martial Law 19:33, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If overlaid on the shipping lanes, major air travel routes, these locations may pose a danger. See the article Vile vortices. Martial Law 04:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quasar claims in his own 2004 work that the western Atlantic region has proportionally higher statistics of inexplicable maritime occurrances than anywhere else, including those regions.  Would that we could acquire the original statistics and place them on Wikisource, for the reader's own perusal. --Chr.K. 15:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MAP

message: Here is your invite to a organization that is set up by Wikipedians, for Wikipedians who have had bizarre experiences, investigate these matters. It is called Wikipedia:Paranormal Watchers. Martial Law 20:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Organization

message: I saw a demonstration on television where a boat was actually sunk by experimenters who pumped air through a perforated hose, making bubbles like one of those "methane burps".
This would probably be a good addition to the article if I could recall where I saw it.
HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Methane bubbles 

message: I just took a look at this article and noticed that there are no sources within it. Why not? I think it would hold a lot more water, even water containing methane hydrate! 211.72.233.2 11:53, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just cited a source, now the article has one or more sources. Martial Law 05:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I just added a source and removed a citation needed tag for the Coast Guard comment.  Two is better than none! - Kuzain 05:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citing Sources

message: well i think that the bermuda triangle theorory is okay. but the air density would wouldn't affect the density oin the air so how does it affect the aeroplanes. where is the bermuda tringle? where do people believe it is ?
:It is the belief of many that the region in question comprises an area extending from the island of Bermuda to the eastern coastline of Miami, to the northern coastline of San Juan; these are the classic dimensions of "the Triangle."  Other alternate figures stretch the proverbial lines from Norfolk to Bermuda or Miami in turn, then to San Juan and back.  Reality, however, shows that no actual well-defined lines exist, and that the entire western Atlantic itself is the site of the excessively odd occurrances such as planes vanishing in single passes of a radarscope, and the like.  In this line of thinking, the Bermuda Triangle is not so much as actual thing as the term used for a region of bizarre reports, much like the disappearances associated with the "Bennington Triangle" in Bennington, Vermont. --Chr.K. 15:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the Bermuda Triangle ? 

message: It is said, that there is a similiar area in Alaska, where also ominous disappearance occur.
:Location? --Chr.K. 19:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked at the websites given, and there seems to be no (paranormal) mystery. the only 2 cases actually stated (apart from vague talk) are of light planes. One disappeared in bad weather, the other had some wreckage and survivors detected - but this was apparently covered up as one passenger was a politician who suspected the intrigue later revealed as Watergate. A strange claim indeed, but even the German website billing it as an "Alaska triangle" concedes there must be a normal explanation. It is also claimed that the pilot in this case was cavalier with regard to flying conditions - he would fly in all weathers. So basically talk of an "alaska triangle" is unfounded. I'm deleting all references, and if someone wants to start an "Alaska triangle" page (gawd help us), the stuff will be in the history section. Totnesmartin 23:43, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I'll put the links here where people can find them (you'll need a translator for the first 2 - they're in German)
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/18/0,1872,2036850,00.html
http://www.zdf.de/ZDFde/inhalt/17/0,1872,2036849,00.html
http://www.check-six.com/lib/Famous_Missing/Boggs.htm
Totnesmartin 00:04, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why must there be a "normal" explanation?  What is normal? --Chr.K. 16:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: "Normal" as in "usual". That is, an explanation which doesn't need to invoke unproven energies or agencies. Totnesmartin 20:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similiar region in Alaska 

message: "The Triangle marks a special condom from South Africa to prevent AIDS."
I'm afraid I don't understand how that's at all relevant.
:I'd attribute it to a pseudoskeptical attempt make the entire subject seem ridiculous, except that their arguments tend to actually be arguments, and not ludicrous drivel. --Chr.K. 16:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Africa? 

message: Matthias Lightbane has recently found, that if you switch the earth's regular poles with it's magnectic poles and move the latitude and logitude lines so that they correspond with the magnectic poles, the bermuda triangle and the devil's sea are on the same line of latitude directly opposite of each other on the globe!—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Matthias Lightbane (talk • contribs) 
::"Magnectic"?  Well, I guess we can put all that down to "original research" without needing to try to make any sense of it. --Dannyno 21:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Findings by Matthias Lighbane