Talk:Googoosh

message: * We need to either find references for any statments tagged with 'citation needed' or simply remove the information. There is a higher standard of verifiability, as the article is the biography of a living person. So, thusly tagged, uncited info can be removed by anyone, at any time.
* There are a lot of wikilinks coming up red (indicating that no articles exist for the link). We might need to un-wikify them. Some enterprising editor could create durable stub articles for the entries, though; even better, translate the Iran wiki articles for these folk into English and start a bunch of articles, including references. 
* some peacock words and unverified peacock statements are creeping back into the article, and we should remain vigilant against that.
*We still need to find dates for the various album releases. I will ask how to appropriately denote albums that were released in the same year.
We have come a long way. the article is in much better shape than before. :) -Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What still needs work

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replies: text: I couldn't find any proof showing that his image is really an album cover. We can use that image under    or use this or this under  .Arash the Archer 20:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Googooshx1.jpg

message: Looks like Googoosh discography and Googoosh filmography need to be merged with this article. Any comment? Sidatio 01:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will merge if there are no objections in one week's time. Sidatio 00:29, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think th econcern is that the resulting article would be too long. It seems fien the way it is. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 01:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See, now I don't think it'd be that much longer - maybe 10-15 lines at the most to accommodate the extra information the Discography article holds. The Filmography section's pretty useless as is - it's  more or less a carbon copy of what's found in this article. Still, if we're the only two people who even have an opinion on the topic, maybe we should consider listing on the proposed mergers page if we can't generate more interest. Sidatio 02:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's try something else first. Put together an edit where the material from the opther page is merged here (essentially your proposal), and then self-revert. I'll take a look at the edit, consult Arash (the other editor who's done loads of work here) and weigh in here. The reason some may have not been weighin in is that I think many of the normal editors are still out of school for the summer, with unsteady internet connections. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Superb idea! I'll put one together tomorrow. Sidatio 02:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These sub-pages where created to avoid a long list in the main article. I thought the lists might be completed later but since they have not been modified very much (since it is not important to many editors) , it might be better to delete them and only summarize them in the main article. A list of non-English words is not helpful in an English encyclopedia after all. Arash the Archer 10:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger Discussions

message: I just reverted the substitution of an image of Googoosh. The new image can be found here. I think there are several problems with the provenance of the image. to begin with, the image page says that the image came from googoosh.com. While it seems that the image is from a concert in Toronto, the only images currently available on the site are those from her Los Angeles concert. Secondly, I think that these images are not free (and there are some), and are in fact the property of whoever manages Googoosh. Free images trump non-free every single time. If someone wants to find someone who took picturesat a Googoosh concert and upload them to Creative Commons, that would be splendid. Until then, we need to resist the impulse to upload and replace in the article those images of dubious provenance. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 11:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New image

message: And that is why Googoosh is printed in English before the Farsi. As well, someone keeps altering dates within the article, without adding references for them. I'd consider it vandalism, but clearly, its the work of a noob without knowledge of the rules. I invite them here to discuss their views and possibly provide citations for their viewpoints. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 09:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This is the English language wikipedia

message: The French and German articles use "Feb. 7, 1951", and our article is switching between "April 15" and "May 5".  This page does not currently mention a date.  Maybe old versions of that page can help. John Vandenberg (talk) 00:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be helpful to find independent sources that unequivocally name the date conclusively, and cite those in the first section following the Lead. Once done, we can point to the citations s to the proper date for Googoosh. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 04:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  dob 

message: These all suddenly appeared, which is why we shouldn't be gathering all of our information from a single source, like a fan site, as the info is likely to change. I am replacing all of the cite error flags with cn tags. Hopefully, someone will roll up their sleeves and find sources to replae them that come from a variety of sources. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Cite error: Invalid tag; refs with no content must have a name"

message: Look at any FA quality article about a musician, like Selina or Mariah Caey; none of them have listings for concert dates (and in the case of Selina, there would have been more of an argument for inclusion, since she died very early in her career). 
I think there might be some misunderstanding about what this article - what Wikipedia - is supposed to do. It is not a fan forum, it is not Ticketmaster, and it is not a useless collection of info (please, anyone, tell me the value and notability of ANY of her past concert dates?). It is against Wiki policy to include it, and were I not at my three edits for the day, I would purge it again. It's enough that the user who keeps adding it in has been reported for violating 3RR. Please use the discussion page to voice your concerns or comments, and not the edit summary. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 21:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What is up with the concert dates?

message: Without I hope getting involved with the disutes above, I have fixed up the refs to work and dates the cn tags. I am mystified that there were all those """"" s in the article. Rich Farmbrough, 15:41 10 March 2008 (GMT).
:Probaby it was due to the overlinkage to a website that re-organized where the articles that were linked and were suddenly orphaned. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixups

message: I wanted to see if we could add the upcoming release of Googoosh's new album, Shab-e Sepid which will be debuted on March 27, 2008Adam255 (talk) 16:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As per WP:CRYSTAL, I would think that we shouldn't say anything until it actually is being sold. Albums (kind of an idiosyncratic word these days, huh?) are notorious for running into last minute problems that delay release. Also, its important to remember that we are not in a hurry to get the most current info out there; we are not the ones to be cited by news sources. We cite news sources that correspond to one another. I realize that since Googoosh isn't always on the music radar in the English-speaking world, finding citations about her is a royal pain in the bum. Try seeing it the other way: how widespread is the coverage of western music in the Farsi-language wiki? As Googoosh increases in popularity in the West, there will be more people writing about her. Pretty soon, we are going to be faced with tons of teenaged vandals fresh out of middle school vandalizing her article coz' she's so popular. :P - Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Album

message: Is she still married to Kimlai or not? Kurdo was insisting (everywhere but here) that they must be divorced, noting the uncited statement that he hasn't ever left Iran, while Googoosh left for the US. We have citations for their marriage since at least 2000 through both CNN and her own website. I have pointed out on numerous occasions how a WP:BLP needs citations for any new or contentious information. If they are in fact divorced, we need a citation that says that. If she is an Azerbaijani, we need a citation for that as well (and perhaps an Azer propagandist site isn't really the best place to look for neutrality here). I welcome more discussion on this topic.- Arcayne (cast a spell) 20:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As we have a citation that states quite clearly that the two are married, it stays. It is reiterated on Googoosh's own website. If someone feels that they aren't, due to the geographic distance separating them, then please provide a citation noting their divorce (as I - and presumably the editor who keeps reverting out the marriage as "outdated" - haven't been able to find mention of one). BLP requires us to add timely, relevant and correct information in an article about a living person. The statement about her marriage is cited and - until proven otherwise - accurate. As well, the information is not hurtful to the subject, so I am of the opinion that removing it is a synthesis violation of our no original research policy (to whit, the assumption that she is divorced because her marriage was in 2000 and they are not currently living together). - Arcayne (cast a spell) 07:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the marriage sentence to say, She married director Masoud Kimiai in the early 1990s. and sourced it to iranian.com. As a statement about the event of the marriage rather than her current (undetermined) marital status, what do we think about this? CIreland (talk) 10:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, I can live with this, though I still think that any speculation as to her current marriage status is just that: speculation. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: I've been noticing a number of insertions of alternate dates of birth for the performer. I have recently reverted out an uncited DOB, asking for a reliable source citation noting the birthdate. So far, that hasn't happened, and yet the date keps getting reverted. Can someone bring a citation here that reliable, verifiably proves the woman's birthdate? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 06:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Googoosh' birthdate 

message: The question is did she or did she not sign - here on line #95 of the "New Signatories" section. As evidence consider:
: the signup process. It requires email confirmation.
: the notability of other signatures - with press releases and news coverage. This is not an obscure process see - arrests of the leadership.
additionally I am contacting the website maintainers for specifics about their justification of the signatures. I suspect they also have to keep confidential any contact information. Smkolins (talk) 16:27, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the efforts, Smkolins. As you might be aware, there are folk out there who are not necessarily very honest when they create email accounts. I could set up an account for Googoosh myself at Yahoo, Excite, Gmail or any on of a hundred sites - all of which could be verified as being valid email addresses, but none of which are actually owned by the performer. As you noted that there might be news coverage of this petition, there might be confirmation from Googoosh' press personnel that she did indeed sign the petition. I think it unlikely, as very few performers are ever going to reveal their private email accounts to the public. Thoughts? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do see that things could be faked but hope to hear more from the website itself about the details of their process and checks. They have other high profile signatures so should have something in place. I don't know if Googoosh has a website for such but perhaps I or you or others can find it and check and or email through them with links to check and ask them to post something official so we don't have to rely on emails for substantiation. I went ahead and left a note at www.googoosh.com asking for public commentary on if it is her signature. :-) Smkolins (talk) 23:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know about you, but I would be a lot more comfortable if we had independent confirmation; BLP requires it for something that is potentially controversial. Since it is so newsworthy, maybe there is a news story about it. I am not convinced that a petition site is all that reliable. I remember reading about a petition to feed starving children that someone added a lot of prominent political names to it. The political folk couldn't argue against the unauthorized usage of their names; who wants to say they are against feeding starving kids? Unless we have it from an official news outlet, we shouldn't use it. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 14:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am aiming for that comfort zone but I'm willing to work with websites to improve their reputation if that's what they want. The website has approached the matter along those lines and the subject matter is not one easily tuned towards flippancy. Official news outlets are hardly the limit of verifiable sources though I recall the need of independent confirmation for people still living. Thus I've asked at googoosh.com. I feel wikipedia editors like to improve quality simply by deleting rather than doing the work of actually improving the content by adding good content. That's what I'm trying to do. I appreciate being informed where we like the line to be on good content. I appreciate even more the elbow grease to get that information. So far the ashamed website has been trying to make it so. They've even asked for a review of all hits of any names matching their list for review - they maintain the first two of the lists are highly verified but I've pointed out they haven't said how. I suggested they contact a reputable newspaper and have a reporter do a story. The third section they've only done bare checks and Googgoosh is in that section though they also say they've had an exchange of emails with that entry writer and are working on a public statement. Smkolins (talk) 18:43, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signatory or not? 

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message: There was a citation for Googoosh winning the Sanremo Music Festival in Italy as "best artist of the year" in 1973, however I reviewed the citation that was provided and there is no mention of her winning this award. I tried to find this information elsewhere online and found various sources that basically cite that she participated in Sanremo in 1973 and recorded two albums but she did not win any awards. If you can find a proper citation showing she won the "best artist of the year" in 1973, please feel free to update the article and include the new citation. But until then I am rewriting the sentence to show she participated in Sanremo Music Fest only. Jooojay (talk) 07:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards

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