Talk:Eddie Izzard/Archive 1

message: removing:
: probably most noteworthy for being a transvestite.
AFAIK, Izzard doesn't describe himself as a transvestite -- he points out that a woman wearing trousers isn't considered a tranvestite, and his preference for certain types of clothes is no different -- Tarquin
But isnt he a transvestite?
:Um, I've got a recording of one of his shows in which he introduces himself as an "executive transvestite". - user:Montrealais
Really? I've read interviews where he says he isn't, for reason above. The plot thickens. -- Tarquin
: The Je suis un travestie executif bit (from Glorious IIRC) does follow his usual spiel of "I don't consider myself a transvestite, but only someone who wants equal clothing rights" -- User:GWO
Le singe est dans l'arbre...
:Monkeys notwithstanding, I saw him on stage about ten years ago and he said, several times, "I'm TV".  He was careful to explain that it was an aesthetic preference with no sexual significance.  -- Heron
::I've checked various online interviews, and, yes, he does frequently refer to himself as a TV/transvestite. -- User:GWO
:::So does this mean I can put the line (or a variant thereof) back in? Sorry if I'm doing this wrong; I'm rather new to all this. :) -- the creator of the entry
:: Hello, creator of this entry. (register a user name sometime :-) I'd say mention both things he's said. -- Tarquin 19:47 Nov 4, 2002 (UTC)
::: Okay, I've just made myself one. It's very imaginative, isn't it? ;) -- Oliver Pereira.
Well, labels notwithstanding, he frequently wears clothing generally reserved for women. --AMK1211 19:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None of this suggests he is a homosexual - in fact he has denied it.88.97.18.12 19:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And LGBT contains more than 'homosexuals', including something he's obviously embraced openly. --Thespian 20:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  All this means is that Eddie Izzard doesn't take it all too seriously, certainly not to care enough about the nomenclature. He certainly doesn't understand what "transgendered" means if he thinks it means dressing up as a woman and telling jokes, whilst remaining patently obviously a man. The whole statement you quote is obviously ironic, it's a joke, the whole thing is a joke to him. Anyway, he's stopped doing it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.18.12 (talk) 21:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's not what he said; what he said was that 'the guy in a dress jokes are still there'. He's specifically addressed trying to be out as a transvestite, and he himself considers this part of the transgender movement. People who don't want to see that aren't going to, though. He himself has commented that the roles (The Riches, Ocean's Thirteen) have required male dress and beard, and he's made no statement that he's no longer doing this. People who wish to remove the LGBT tag, it is up to you to provide verifiable proof that he's renouncing that, not just an observation that you haven't seen him do it recently, so he must have stopped. --Thespian (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transvestite

message: I'm adding these quotes because people are continually removing the classification of him in LGBT. If this Talk page is archived, I think this part should remain here to avoid it needing to be posted repeatedly. 
If it's important to you that you feel 'self-definition' is key in being defined as LGBT, or if you think transvestitism (uhm, ok, but you know what I mean) is not part of being transgendered, please note these are all his own quotes:
Article at Transgender Zone
"It is going to stick around until more generations of transgender people come out," he says. Being gay may have cachet in certain circles — theatre — but society still gets its knickers in a twist about cross-dressers. "There is a perception that certain uplifting things go with being gay, but transgender is still (in) a difficult phase. Yet it is way better being where I am now and not having to lie."
and:
Eddie Izzard: Executive Transvestite (by Ivy D. Vine | Girltalk Magazine Vol. 2 #3 | December 25, 2000)
GT:  You present a positive TV image. Do you have any words for people wanting to come out?
EI: You need to do it as young as possible so you can get (on with) your life...it's sort of a life rearrangement thing. The more people that are "out", the world will realize there is a large transgender population. I do empathize, but the only way we can move forward is with more people coming out.
GT: Do you consider yourself a role model at all?
EI: If anyone can use anything that I've done, that's cool.  The transgender movement is still in the 1950's like gay and lesbians use to be. Anti-gay jokes are gone from television, but the guy in a dress jokes are still there. They need to get sharp, snappy dressed transgendered people on there. That's why I came out with all the buzz words like "Action Transvestite" or "Executive Transvestite".
Also, a link here to an article from last fall: Eddie Izzard Does His Therapist, first line: British Comedian/Actor Eddie Izzard has started seeing a transgender expert to discuss issues resulting from his cross-dressing.
:None of this suggests he is a homosexual - in fact he has denied it.88.97.18.12 19:58, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And LGBT contains more than 'homosexuals', including something he's obviously embraced openly. --Thespian 20:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  All this means is that Eddie Izzard doesn't take it all too seriously, certainly not to care enough about the nomenclature. He certainly doesn't understand what "transgendered" means if he thinks it means dressing up as a woman and telling jokes, whilst remaining patently obviously a man. The whole statement you quote is obviously ironic, it's a joke, the whole thing is a joke to him. Anyway, he's stopped doing it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.18.12 (talk) 21:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's not what he said; what he said was that 'the guy in a dress jokes are still there'. He's specifically addressed trying to be out as a transvestite, and he himself considers this part of the transgender movement. People who don't want to see that aren't going to, though. He himself has commented that the roles (The Riches, Ocean's Thirteen) have required male dress and beard, and he's made no statement that he's no longer doing this. People who wish to remove the LGBT tag, it is up to you to provide verifiable proof that he's renouncing that, not just an observation that you haven't seen him do it recently, so he must have stopped. --Thespian (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eddie on being a Transvestite

message: This article states that the Character of the Malloy's youngest son, who is portrayed as a young transvestite, is based after Izzard as a child.  However, Izzard has stated repeatedly on the Fox Movie Channel that the character was already written that way before he was ever was under consideration or on board for the show.
:Apparently, the character was already written as being "different," and when Izzard came onto the project, they decided to make the character like him. --AMK1211 05:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Based on Izzard as a Child?

message: I didn't write that bit, but he does atrribute his surreal rambling style to dyslexia.--Crestville 19:48, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dyslexia 

message: when i first saw Dress to Kill on HBO (i'm american), it was around 90 minutes long.  i then rented it from netflix and it's way longer (and funnier) - almost two hours long.  however, the DVD on sale seems to be only 90 minutes long.  is it possible that netflix has some european version?  if so, why did it play on my DVD? Streamless 16:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Versions of the Dress To Kill DVD? 

message: Uhhh....there's two references in the Stand-up section for Unrepeatable, one for 2004 and another for 1994. According to IMDb, 1994 is the correct year. Made the edit. -Hench 08:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unrepeatable

message: Eddie was at the University of Sheffield at one time.  What subject?
*According to , it was "Accounting and Financial Management with Mathematics", although it's not clear whether that was its actual title or a general description of what it covered. Warofdreams talk 14:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  University  

message: I've read on a couple of various websites that Eddie used to/still does manage a band called "The Wasp Factory" (named after the novel) in the early nineties, but I can't find that many references to it. It may well be the band that the guy who wrote "The Other Side of the Story" below was on about. I'm not very good at this whole Wikipedia malarky anyway, so could someone else who's interested and more adept at this kind of thing add this to the article (if it is true)? -Shaun680 21:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band? 

message: I don't fancy this section at all.  It isn't written smoothly and also, 'mime' is not the right description of what Izzard does with the 'sawing wood/baboon' thing.  I would call it 'doing impressions' because of course he makes noises.  Any objections to a re-write?  ParvatiBai 00:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but on a side note - he calls it mime. He used to be a mime artist too. It's not reallt impressions.--Crestville 10:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Not at all.--Crestville 16:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Description of Comedy Style 

message: I noticed that the "Stand-up" & "Filmography" sections are ascending by date but "TV appearances" are descending by date. Is this on purpose or did it just happen that way? Also I think maybe his comedy albums should be one section "Discography" & his tv/movie appearances should be another section "Filmography". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.7.157.247 (talk) 15:40, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Discography and appearances" 

message: I've added back the British spelling "humour," because Izzard is British. (I know there's no hard-and-fast rule at Wiki about Americanized vs. British spellings, the only rule is consistency, but as long as I was doing a copy edit, it seemed it might as well be British.) I've probably missed some "-ise" vs. "-ize" verbs though. Jessicapierce 20:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Humour"

message: WP:BLP frowns on unsourced material on articles about living persons. This article is filled with unsourced claims about Izzard, as well as many quotes that Izzard is alleged to have said, without source citations. These need to be fixed near-immediately for this material to remain in the article. wikipediatrix 22:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcelessness and BLP 

message: Being a transvestite does not make him transgendered. Being transgendered means there is a difference between his biological and mental genders, hence why we also have the word transvestite, which is what he is. Reading the article alone cites enough to show he doesn't really have gender/identity issues, he just likes the clothes. The tag should be removed, but I'm writing this here for consensus (the tag is commented saying without a discussion it will be reverted "as vandalism", which is a little abusive...)
Liastnir (talk) 02:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as he even said, he gets lumped in with all those weirdo transvestites.  Hah!  But transvestites are always grouped in with LGBT, because they are a transgender identity.  Hope that clears it up.  Baegis (talk) 03:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They (transvestites) are a part of the transgender community. Exactly. Which is what I stated in one of my edit summaries of this article in reverting the removal of the transgendered tag. He may not feel that torn between genders, but a lot transvestites do, and some end up in the same ball park as transgendered people who solely identify as opposite of the sex they were born as. Flyer22 (talk) 06:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Being a crossdresser (transvestite) does, by definition, make him transgendered. The fact that some people disagree with or don't understand the definition of transgender doesn't change its meaning. The hidden comment is there precisely because people who don't understand this frequently make an incorrect change based upon incorrect assumptions or beliefs. --AliceJMarkham (talk) 07:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he uses crossdressing in his acts and when he does it outside, it is "NOT A SEXUAL THING." If it was, THEN he'd be in the category. That doesn't mean he is LGBT. And being a crossdresser does not make one trangender. Read again. Also, look up his Army act on youtube. He doesn't believe himself to belong with the LGBT community. IronCrow (talk) 05:33, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, crossdressing does qualify one as transgender.  Just because it is not sexual (your claim) does not mean that it is excluded.  He has stated openly about his affinity for crossdressing, even in his own stand up acts.  Read over the above links.  Baegis (talk) 06:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Being transgendered has no direct connection to sexuality. For some there is a coincidental correlation, but certainly not all. Again, this is common a misconception. I don't know where you get the idea that being a crossdresser does not make a person transgender. Since you say "read again", could you provide a cite? --AliceJMarkham (talk) 08:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good point, Alice.  I too am confused on what to reread.  However, I will take this time to watch one of his shows.  Maybe that will help to understand what IronCrow meant.  It's like homework, but fun! Baegis (talk) 08:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

text: In that case, we should call him an executive or action transvestite.--Father Goose (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not LGBT 

message: I'm adding these quotes because people are continually removing the classification of him in LGBT. If this Talk page is archived, I think this part should remain here to avoid it needing to be posted repeatedly. 
If it's important to you that you feel 'self-definition' is key in being defined as LGBT, or if you think transvestitism (uhm, ok, but you know what I mean) is not part of being transgendered, please note these are all his own quotes:
Article at Transgender Zone
"It is going to stick around until more generations of transgender people come out," he says. Being gay may have cachet in certain circles — theatre — but society still gets its knickers in a twist about cross-dressers. "There is a perception that certain uplifting things go with being gay, but transgender is still (in) a difficult phase. Yet it is way better being where I am now and not having to lie."
and:
Eddie Izzard: Executive Transvestite (by Ivy D. Vine | Girltalk Magazine Vol. 2 #3 | December 25, 2000)
GT:  You present a positive TV image. Do you have any words for people wanting to come out?
EI: You need to do it as young as possible so you can get (on with) your life...it's sort of a life rearrangement thing. The more people that are "out", the world will realize there is a large transgender population. I do empathize, but the only way we can move forward is with more people coming out.
GT: Do you consider yourself a role model at all?
EI: If anyone can use anything that I've done, that's cool.  The transgender movement is still in the 1950's like gay and lesbians use to be. Anti-gay jokes are gone from television, but the guy in a dress jokes are still there. They need to get sharp, snappy dressed transgendered people on there. That's why I came out with all the buzz words like "Action Transvestite" or "Executive Transvestite".
Also, a link here to an article from last fall: Eddie Izzard Does His Therapist, first line: British Comedian/Actor Eddie Izzard has started seeing a transgender expert to discuss issues resulting from his cross-dressing. --Thespian (talk) 00:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, we should call him an executive or action transvestite.--Father Goose (talk) 05:40, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eddie on being a transvestite

message: :As the intro now stands, it says he uses a "surreal monologue". This seems to be an overly loose use of the word "surreal". I've heard many of his monologues and while certainly funny, I don't think any of them qualify as surrealist or surreal. There must be a better way to describe this. How about: absurdist, inquisitive, fantastic? Interlingua 05:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first word that comes to my mind is "whimsical".--Father Goose (talk) 05:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Surreal?

message: Was he really in this? I know he is portrayed as the director of the "live action" attempt of this film in the early trailers but I don't recall his voice in the movie, nor do I remember the character of "Bee Army General." Only thing that comes close is the leader of the "pollen jocks" but it's voiced by Rip Torn. Eddie Izzard isn't in the final credits of the movie nor on imdb.com
If this info is wrong it should be deleted; other sites are putting the same info up and crediting wikipedia as its source. -- Jombage (talk) 08:02, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted scenes, maybe?--Father Goose (talk) 10:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bee Movie? 

message: Ok, I think we all get it that Eddie references WP articles in his stand-up routine.  But there comes a point where we cannot possibly include every single thing he references.  How about we remove any that do not have a source?  Seeing him, in person, reading the article does not cut it.  Unless it's in a reliable source, ie a review of the show, we have to remove it.  Thoughts?  Baegis (talk) 04:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree.  That list was hilarious. 165.123.243.168 (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hilarity is not a proper reason for inclusion.  Baegis (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: It isn't going to be an infinite list, there are only 30ish shows in the tour.  The list is of interest to a lot of people, and does show the evolution of his material because some topics have turned up in later shows.  Maybe it could go in the article about the Stripped tour?  It's certainly notable within the scope of just the tour itself.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.51.40 (talk) 04:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At least one reporter found the list quite useful.  At a minimum, we should move it into Stripped (Eddie Izzard).--Father Goose (talk) 06:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

text: How about we punt the entire thing? This is one random recent skit. Pointing it out here just makes it look like we're getting excited about the thought of Eddie Izzard reading this. I've tagged it. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It belongs in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_culture. Unfortunately I can't figure out how to properly edit that page myself with all the tables.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.51.40 (talk) 02:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can someone not amke a talk page box, like the one for when wikipedia is used as a cite in a newspaper? "This article was referenced by Eddie Izzard in one of his shows" etc. We have the one for the comic strips, and this is more serious than that.Yobmod (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia references 

message: This phrase is ambiguous and at least misleading if not outright incorrect. Putting the qualifier "self-referential" aside for a moment, does Eddie Izzard really ever do pantomime? Certainly never in any of the senses defined in Wikipedia (see Pantomime (disambiguation))—he does not do musical comedy or use just silent gestures. True, the description  “conveyance of a story by bodily or facial movements” (Merriam-Webster, sense 3a) does seem to apply, but this is not the most usual meaning of the word “pantomime,” and so it would be better if another word or construction is used. One candidate might be “he uses movements or gestures as if he were interacting with objects or other people on stage, though there are none.” (Or some phrase that is less clumsy.)
But even if one decides that the word “pantomime” is fine, what does it mean for pantomime to be “self-referential?” Someone's dramatic work, for instance, is said to be self-referential if it references the author's own life or previous work, which Eddie Izzard certainly does. But here, the phrase more likely is meant in the sense of “he is playing both sides of any dialogue.” If that is what is meant, then that's what should appear there.
Reuqr (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the word "pantomime" is the least clumsy word that can best summarize his actions on stage.  He incorporates elements of pantomime into his set but you are correct when you say that it is very different than how pantomime is defined.  But the "self-referential" part is a little ambiguous, for sure.  He plays all sides whenever there are multiple characters on stage so something along the lines of what you put would probably give a more complete picture.  He does reference his life and previous work but no more so than any other comedian.  "pantomime where he plays both sides of the dialog" is a little clumsy but a much better description for sure.  Any ideas on how to tighten if further?  Baegis (talk) 19:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Self-referential pantomime” 

message: Izzard recently described himself as transgender while talking about his 27 marathons in 27 days attempt:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/cdb63bc0-203a-418d-b3ad-995ee1572656?intc_type=singletheme&intc_location=sportrelief&intc_campaign=sportrelief&intc_linkname=vidclip_izzard_contentcard7
Can this be added to the article? The date of the other ref for this in the personal life section is 2001, so this is a much more up-to-date reference.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.116.143 (talk) 07:41, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the rhetorical question he posed in fact was "Can transgender idiots from Britain do things like this?" So good luck with that one. But, let's face it, he's about as feminine as Corporal Klinger. Such a self-description already appears in the article, however, from a 2001 interview with The Guardian?  Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

text: In this more recent video, he clearly refers to himself as transgender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKUJIoeZpw This is an unabigous self-identification that is more up to date than any other referenced. Therefore he should be added to LGBT and transgender categories. --81.100.25.160 (talk) 17:03, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the title is a bit of a giveaway. So I have added it as a source. If you are adding those Categories, does that exclude :Category:Genderqueer people? I'm sorry that I don't understand the nuances of the differences between them. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

text: He just did it five minutes ago in a broadcast on the BBC Breakfast news in a live link to South Africa.2.101.148.201 (talk) 08:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if he describes himself this way, it certainly deserves to be in the article. I see that the Transgender article says, in its opening section: "Other definitions include third-gender people as transgender or conceptualize transgender people as a third gender, and infrequently the term is defined very broadly to include cross-dressers." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Crossdressers are not transgender by default (except in a broad sense equivalent to "gender-nonconforming"). Many people crossdress for motivations other than to express a variant gender identity, and identify as cisgender, i. e., as exclusively and fully the binary gender (either female or male) corresponding to their birth assignment. However, Izzard clearly states that his gender identity is not exclusively male but also partly female. Such a gender experience falls under the non-binary or genderqueer umbrella, which is definitely a form of transgender, just not a familiar binary identity. (It's not uncommon for crossdressers to identify as non-binary or genderqueer these days. A minority of crossdressers eventually comes out as trans women or trans men, but there are others who think of themselves as trans women or trans men but decide not to transition completely, or "go full-time", for personal reasons.) While Izzard is not a trans woman, he is definitely transgender. But he is not transgender because he is a crossdresser; he is transgender because he identifies as such. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection. So that opening section of Transgender seems to be misleading. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why you think so. It says: "Infrequently, the term transgender is defined very broadly to include cross-dressers, regardless of their gender identity." (footnote dropped, emphasis mine) That agrees with my explanation: If a crossdresser was assigned male (or female) at birth and identifies as purely male (or respectively female), this person is not generally considered transgender. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 23:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Drop as many footnotes as you like. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the "LGBT" Categories are either very accurate or very useful here. He has also described himself as "straight". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: One can be queer in gender without being queer in sexuality. You can be transgender or gender-non-conforming and identify as straight and still be considered part of the LGBT community.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 05:48, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I'm removing the "conflate" comment because in effect it's saying non-binary people are not transgender, which is an error. 2601:8C3:4001:ED00:DB0:B0EF:C187:2B79 (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I had thought it was merely reporting his own use of terminology. But it was in need of a source anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transgender 

message: The description of Izzard's early career is missing a key part of the narrative -- his involvement in the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. (There are passing mentions that he met his one publicly identified romantic partner and first began performing in drag there.) Especially for someone who began as a street performer rather than doing open spots in comedy clubs, this seems like it is a major gap in the narrative.Msalt (talk) 19:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edinburgh Fringe Festival 

message: Too much driveby disruption by IPs and new accounts. I think established editors need to be handling this. I'm going to do it myself, even though I've made some minor edits here. If you think I'm too involved to push the button, feel free to ask for a review at WP:RFPP. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the edit history, it was vandalised by user FinneganswakeXYZ, but all the other edits seem in good faith that I can see? Awoma (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There was also IP disruption. I'm also noting that you have multiple times now reverted others without adding any additional rationale. The policy is clear here and you are verging on edit-warring, Awoma. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Reverting is a normal part of wikipedia. It shouldn't be taken personally. If you make a change and it is reverted, but you still want the change, you should build a consensus for it in the talk page, per WP:BRD. The answer is not to lock the change in to bypass that process, obviously. Awoma (talk) 23:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: The page just experienced an edit war on which of these terms to use. Currently at comedian and actor. What are the arguments for/against? Awoma (talk) 07:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it should remain comedian and actor. Both these words can be gender-neutral and so suit this BLP. The Oxford English Dictionary also notes that usage of actor for both men and women is becoming more common 1. AussieWikiDan (talk) 08:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If we treat Izzard like anyone else it would be "comedian" and "actress" I think Troll Control (talk) 08:35, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Self-identification without a reassignment certificate is not lawfully recognised in England, so it's not correct or proper to refer to Izzard as 'she'. In addition, he does not mind whether people call him 'she' or 'he', though he prefers 'Eddie', which leaves the whole thing open. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comedy/what-to-see/eddie-izzard-call-brain-coded-ways/ In the same interview Eddie also supports J K Rowling's views and denies that she is 'transphobic' as TRAs claim. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/eddie-izzard-jk-rowling-trans-gender-b632044.html Edit: I've just seen that other editors have mentioned this above. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:44, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:GENDERID does not give any weight to a person's legally recognized name or gender identity. See the essays at Wikipedia:Gender identity#Legal name and Wikipedia:Official_names for further clarification. The subject's most recently stated preference is still the de facto source the article uses, even if they accept other pronouns as well. RoxySaunders (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Both "actor" and "comedian" are gender-neutral terms. "Comedienne" is rather outdated and rarely used for contemporary entertainers. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 21:43, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Also support "actor" and "comedian" as gender-neutral terms, and in keeping with the principles in MOS:GNL. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:08, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Given the recent shift to using "actor" and "comedian" as gender-neutral terms, I don't see any reason not to use them here. I appreciate that this shift is relatively recent, and that some readers may find it a little jarring, but these are terms we already use in other articles for people of various genders. It is used in this way by many other publications and the OED supports it. If she were to express a preference for the more traditionally feminine equivalent terms then we should change the article to use those, but not otherwise. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:57, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comedian/comedienne and actor/actress 

message: Change from "The series of marathons raised in excess of £114k.[49]" to "The series of marathons raised in excess of £300k.[49]" Sheislaurence (talk) 01:05, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: . Changed to 225k per a secondary source; we shouldn't use the crowdfunding site directly. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021 

message: Change description of Eddie Izzard from her and she, to him and he. Since that is what he is. 2600:1017:B100:FB6A:47B:D26A:F0B7:C0BE (talk) 04:40, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see MOS:GENDERID. Volteer1 (talk) 06:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2021 

message: Eddie Izzard is a man. Change "she" to "he" and "her" to "him" or "his". Peteczar (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: see MOS:GENDERID. And the request immediately above. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 12:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2021 

message: Eddie Izzard is male not female - don't understand why there are al these references to "she" on the page 91.125.150.76 (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to read MOS:GENDERID. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

text: And also maybe try reading the article? BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 18:26, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 March 2021 (2) 

message: In this The Guardian article, Izzard talks about possibly transitioning from physically male to female (https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/12/eddie-izzard-ive-had-boob-envy-since-my-teens). Should this info be added to the article? ---- 201.240.244.149 (talk) 04:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possibly considering transition? 

message: It appears "she/her" are explicitly preferred per this article. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now a mess. Izzard has not undergone gender reassignment, and is not recognised as a woman in law. I do understand (and have no problem with the fact) that she now identifies as a woman, and her self-identification is certainly worthy of inclusion in the article, but encyclopaedic articles should be impartial. They are not written from the perspective of the subject themselves and it has been a mistake to take this article down that route. Obscurasky (talk) 13:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has policy on this exact opinion of yours: MOS:GENDERID. Wikipedia disagrees and it is mainly self-determined – as it should be, in my personal opinion. You can try to get official policy changed but this may be hard. AussieWikiDan (talk) 16:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you: I came looking to see what the policy here was. Regrettably, trying to participate in the discussion about the policy there is cumbersome and seems a waste of time given how secular the majority of Wikipedia is. Maybe I'll try to participate anyway ... -- Newagelink (talk) 12:45, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Should "genderfluid", and/or some other description, appear somewhere in the lead section? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Genderfluid" is currently mentioned in the last sentence of the lead. While I would not object to removing it, I do think it is helpful in the lead given that Izzard's gender identity is a fairly prominent part of her life. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 23:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps move it from last sentence of the lead to last sentence of the first paragraph of the lead? Get it right up front where people can see it.... 104.153.40.58 (talk) 23:05, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

text: I think it's because "gender" does not in fact have an objective reality (as is implied by your notion it wouldn't be "impartial" to adhere to she/her pronouns) outside of the social perception of it (which, of course, includes self-identification).77.101.182.135 (talk) 19:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouns update 

message: I don't have an issue with it being used in some parts of the article as Izzard has said this is preferred. My issue is why are pronouns used so much instead of "Izzard". In the majority of bio articles I have read, it seems standard to use the last name when refer to the subject? It just reads a mess. --130.195.253.84 (talk) 03:02, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means re-introduce some Izzards, if it improves the readability. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:57, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "she" thing again 

message: Having seen the many (and tiresome) requests to edit the article by replacing all the instances of female pronouns with male pronouns, I record my appreciation for the many (and tireless) rejections of the requests.   Thankyou. HerIdentittery (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gratitude 

message: Why is this article referring to Eddie Izzard as if he's a woman? He's obviously male, I mean, just look at him - no woman looks like that. And also, it's widely known that he's a man who dresses up in women's clothes. That's been his entire comedy shtick for years. This entire article should be "he" and "him". 213.205.242.242 (talk) 20:52, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the 'Personal life' section and you'll see why that isn't the case. If you don't accept that, well, that's your issue, not Izzard's, and not Wikipedias's. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 21:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the top of this page, "This biographical article uses the pronouns any/name." So why is it exclusively "she"? 2604:2D80:DA81:D800:A8AA:F002:A5D8:81A3 (talk) 11:44, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Historical uses of pronouns should remain he / him...just any future or verbiage relating to current events should use she / her...otherwise this is going to make historical record keeping impossible and simply revisionist.  Support whatever, but don't change history... --EarthBoundX5 (talk) 23:45, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia operates with the widely-discussed and highly authoritative guideline MOS:GENDERID, developed over more than a decade and based on best practices of other publishers, according to which we use the most recently announced gender identity and pronouns in all phases of a subject's biography. As this BLP subject has expressed a preference for female pronouns, those are the ones we use unless the subject expresses a different preference, or the guideline changes. Newimpartial (talk) 00:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just so I understand this correctly, every time Izzard changes his mind in the future, someone (not me) will have to re-edit every pronoun in the article to reflect his current preferences? At what point does this become a farce? He's a comedian; it wouldn't surprise me if he did it on a whim and on a regular basis just for laughs.  Unklscrufy (talk) 07:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: She is a comedian. Yes, she might change her mind, in which case yes, someone will change the article, taking all of two minutes to do so. Eddie doing it for laughs? Unlikely - she's quite empathetic and her actions and words are in my experience not used to punch down. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:25, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's confusing because almost everyone uses pronouns that match a person's biological sex, not a hypothesised 'gender identity'. That Wiki supports this decision merely shows Wiki is not politically neutral 2A00:23C5:4205:600:1553:B249:350B:7F7F (talk) 15:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "She" and "her" 

message: It's great that the article affirms Izzard's gender. But the over abundance of pro-nouns feels awkward and weird. It feels like the article was written to deliberately include as many female pronouns as possible even if it makes it read awkwardly or disjointedly. It should be re-worked to have a more natural tone. 69.162.230.156 (talk) 01:23, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's not great that the article 'affirms' Izzard's gender. It's a disaster. It is a clear example of why Wikipedia is not to be trusted. 194.187.235.250 (talk) 13:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Trusted to do what? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Remain objective. Clepsydrae (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over-abundance of pronouns 

message: The latest edition of the Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland demonstrates the name Izzard to have a French origin, but there is no mention of Huguenots (the name is actually much older than the Huguenots - see https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780199677764.001.0001/acref-9780199677764-e-21131?rskey=nQRbcF&result=1).  This dictionary is by far the most reliable source on this topic. 
Huguenots might be part of Eddie's ancestry, but evidence is needed.   A newspaper article is in no way a suitable source for this claim. 86.157.214.105 (talk) 11:44, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her surname is of French Huguenot origin 

message: I edited the reference to 'rambling monologues' in the lead to reflect the fact that Izzard's performances are stylised to appear to be ramling but are in fact planned and largely scripted (i.e. the opposite of rambling). Izzard's work is highly sophisticated and follows a coherent arc.@fmsky has reverted, citing 'strange wording'. I would like to revert the revert to improve the article but do not wish to edit war so I will refer to @fmsky at their talk page in the first instance and would appreciate any thoughts here from Wikipedians. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 09:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't say Izzard's routines aren't "rambling monologues" just because they're scripted: they're still rambling, and they're still monologues. I also don't think a comedy routine has to be unscripted to say it "takes the form" of something which often isn't. That said, I do think there's value to discussing the writing process in more detail, I just wouldn't do it in the first line. ─ ReconditeRodent « talk · contribs » 06:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Monologues (referred to in lead)

message: Izzard is now a member of the National Executive Committee. Does that make him as a politician?? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe a WP:RS describing him as such would be required. And even then, a definition using this word in the lead section may not be justified. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

text: A few of the sources I've seen describe Izzard's political activity and plans to run for office. Shouldn't be too hard to find and add. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 20:41, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I think those actively and seriously seeking public office, or holding a significant political role in a political party, are reasonable to include too. Outside of democracies the definition might have to be broader still. If she is successful in becoming the Labour candidate then I'd support the description "politician". Until then, I'm neutral but not opposed. DanielRigal (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politician 

message: 2A00:23C7:BEA7:4B01:BD51:B699:DA42:3944 (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See WP:GENDERID Cannolis (talk) 14:59, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2022 

message: Hi . While I fully accept your edits were made in good faith, what you are doing is, in effect, erasing Izzard's preferred pronouns from the article. The edits are "neutral" in the sense that the issue of pronouns is completely avoided, but that's not how we write articles, and definitely not how we write them well. Pronouns are a normal and natural part of speech and the English language, and seeking to completely avoid their use so as to "avoid constant rewrites, by many editors, of articles on gender-fluid or transgender people" is perhaps counter-productive and is not in keeping with MOS:GENDERID. I believe you may also be mis-characterising Izzard's wishes, even if inadvertently. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this reply, Bastun. I hope I'm not misrepresenting Izzard, but thanks for the guidance and I will continue to watch and learn! Corsaire5555 (talk) 10:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Hi . Please see WP:GENDERID - we use a person's preferred pronouns, which is both a) respectful, and b) consistent. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:30, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I feel like you haven't read WP:GENDERID. Let me quote:  (Original emphasis). That's fairly clear and unambiguous. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:59, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of gendered pronouns 

message: I got the news only today, but is this a move with redirect level change? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:55, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Zero Serenity Move + Redirect seems reasonable; I don't see the point of those expressing opposition. "Eddie Izzard" will still find the same article. Nuew (talk) 20:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

text: And it looks like someone made the redirect from Suzy over to here already. Okay, guess I'll pump the brakes. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 20:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move page based on name change?