Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities/Archive 5

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thread_title:  WikiWomen's History Month 

message: I've been recently dealing with Wikipedia pages for various Filipino Fraternities and Sororities :Category:Fraternities_and_sororities_in_the_Philippines and they tend to have a high degree of Self-promotion in the pages and my guess is heavy WP:COI issues. Any help and suggestions would be welcome.Naraht (talk) 11:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipino Fraternities 

message: Kappa Kappa Psi is a current Good Article-class, High-importance article in this WikiProject and it is being considered for Featured Article status. The current nomination is due to an exemption given by one of the FAC delegates; the first nomination closed with few comments and no consensus on whether or not the article had achieved Featured Article status. I am posting this to ask all contributors to the FRATSOROR project to consider reviewing the article. Thanks! Sycamore (talk) 19:46, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article candidate 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kappa Phi Epsilon.  Notability claims based on receiving "first place in spirit points at Dance Marathon."--GrapedApe (talk) 12:07, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single chapter fraternities 

message: Recently, a WP:V was added to the Kappa Sigma page. A cursory glance at other fraternity and sorority pages contains no consistency of when or why the tag was added, other than many of these pages contain lots of references to the organization's own web site, pledge manual, or newsletters. Pages without tags include Sigma Chi (reliance on the Norman Shield - their pledge manual), Beta Theta Pi (only one reference to their web site), Alpha Chi Omega (several references to its website). At the same time, both Delta Gamma and Pi Beta Phi have the verifiability tag attached to their page.
To me, this raises two questions: 1) Since WP:V does allow for self-published sources, does reliance (or heavy reliance) on an organization's website or other material merit that the page should be tagged with a WP:V tag? 2) Since most of these organizations do not get much press coverage (with the exception of college newspapers), are there better ways to find neutral third party sources about these organizations? --Enos733 (talk) 07:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that the answer to you first question is "no." The two FAs under this project (ΑΦΑ & ΑΚΑ) have over 50% of their references from self-published resources. The only current FAC (ΚΚΨ) has a similar percentage. You point out the reason--there just isn't much independent coverage. But ΑΦΑ, ΑΚΑ, and ΚΚΨ have many independent resources citing important bits of information also. If there is TOTAL reliance on self publication, I think WP:V might be merited. Reliance, even heavy reliance, on self published material is to be expected of articles under this WikiProject. We must ensure for the integrity of the project that this reliance does not introduce or excuse issues of POV. 2) But there are resources for all GLOs: Greek marketing websites can serve, as they do for ΚΚΨ, an independent attestation of membership numbers. Google Books and Google News Archive can provide historical facts. University archives from Alpha chapters may display yearbooks and college newspaper archives online, or a collegiate editor from the Alpha chapter could access microform editions. Baird's Manual is in just about every college library in the US and can provide an independent resource for expansion rates, historical events, and even verifiable descriptions of the society's jewelry. Most facts will be cited back to pledge manuals or the inter-/national website, but creative editors can find ways to cite quite a bit through other means. Sycamore (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifiability 

message: On the talk page for the Infobox Fraternity (Template talk:Infobox fraternity#Proposal on change to description of the letters field.), I started a discussion on allowing for a more common name in place of greek letters if appropriate. Yes, this is done as the formal way to consider allowing for the use of Fiji rather than the greek letters in the Infobox at Phi Gamma Delta. Please comment at the Template talk page. I am also posting this to Talk:Phi Gamma Delta.Naraht (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal on change to description of the letters field.(Fiji exception) 

message: Is every club with Greek letters automatically notable, even if it has only 1 chapter and totally fails the general notability guideline?  Some people think so.  Over the past few weeks I have been trying to review the hundreds of articles on single chapter fraternities to determine which are actually notable.  Here are some AFDs that could use some review by project members:
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beta Kappa Gamma
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beta Omega Phi
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beta Sigma Zeta
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamma Sigma Zeta
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phi Beta Epsilon
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phi Eta Kappa
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phi Society
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Phrateres
*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sigma Delta Phi (2nd nomination)
**--GrapedApe (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single chapter fraternities 

message: There is a Wikipedia page for every NIC, NPC, and NPHC organization (except Iota Nu Delta), but there are still more pages about Fraternities being created, and especially for non-honoraries, there are *severe* COI and N-NPOV issues. I think of particular difficulty in this regard are the Fraternities and Sororities in the Philippines. I'd like to put together an Essay in this regard, either for creation of all new Fraternity/Sorority pages or particularly for the Filipino groups. I'd like suggestions and such for the essay including any essay would could be used as a guide...Naraht (talk) 00:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Essay for new Fraternity pages... 

message: It seems to be conventional for fraternities to begin their lede with the Greek-letter name of the fraternity, rather than the legal name—such as "Kappa Kappa Psi, National Honorary Band Fraternity, (ΚΚΨ, colloquially referred to as KKPsi or KKY)" as opposed to "Kappa Kappa Psi Fraternity, Inc. (ΚΚΨ...)". All three Fraternities and Sororities FA-class articles are formatted that way.
The reason I bring this up is that recent edits to the Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia page have changed the lede to "Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia Fraternity of America, Inc. (also known as Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, Phi Mu Alpha, or simply Sinfonia)". This appears to be in line with WP:NCCORP, which recommends that the first sentence include the full legal name of the corporation. Should we change fraternity pages to be in line with this naming convention, or create our own naming convention for fraternity and sorority pages that excludes legal names? In most cases, the legal name is just "Fraternity, Inc." or "Sorority, Inc." appended to the end of the Greek-letter name and seems superfluous to the article. Sycamore (talk) 01:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have the Fraternity full name including Inc pushed down to the history section which probably should include the date it was incorporated.Naraht (talk) 15:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede convention 

message: The wiki page about Sigma Thêta Pi, an international francophone fraternity was deleted on October 28, 2012 by User:RHaworth.  Please review this deletion and the issues that led to the page's deletion, as this fraternity is a legitimate and recognized Greek letter organization.  Thank you.  Drdpw (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigma Theta Pi's article/page deletion 

message: There doesn't seem to be any information about "auxiliaries" on Wikipedia--that is, typically female-membership "little-sister" organizations to fraternites. They've been banned by the NIC, but they were fairly significant and widespread in the early- to mid-20th century from what I can tell. Do later editions of Baird's say anything about them? I would like to see if there's enough information out there to create at least a stub covering auxiliaries. It would be useful for Tau Beta Sigma, which originally petitioned Kappa Kappa Psi to become a nationally-recognized and sanctioned auxiliary unit, and I don't think it's necessary to expand on the concept of auxiliaries in a single sorority article when it was not unique to TBSigma. Sycamore (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Created a stub at Auxiliary (fraternity or sorority) but there's a lot of room for improvement. Sycamore (talk) 02:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auxiliaries 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=4htx62wIXIgC&pg=PA256 is used as a reference in the Pi Kappa Alpha article (p325). Any ideas on that book.
*It's from the For Dummies series,  That seems like an RS to me.--GrapedApe (talk) 14:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  RS question... 

message: I thought i would reach out to those who have the most interest in the topic. I'm looking to have a review done on the Phi Beta Sigma article in hopes to have it reassessed and upgraded from Start level to FA, GA, or A level in time for Phi Beta Sigma's centennial. The article has recieved extensive expansion and the major problems with it have been fixed. If anyone is interested in helping please contact me on my talk page. (user)(talk) 19:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review Needed

message: Hi all. I just gutted some fairly large swaths of what I believed to be cruft from Phi Alpha Delta's article. This professional fraternity is fairly ubiquitous around law schools, and has pretty clearly been around for a long time. Unfortunately, it looks like the article has stood fairly unchallenged by cleanup efforts for several years. Not being too familiar with fraternity and sorority articles around WP, I'm not entirely sure what belongs and what doesn't (e.g., a complete list of all "chapters", which is basically just a local student group at every American law school). There are some NPOV issues as well (the "A Fraternity of Firsts" section comes to mind). I think I've done all I can with it. Could someone more familiar with these issues take a look? —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 20:43, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for some input into Phi Alpha Delta 

message: There are several missing Chapters in this page. I cross referenced a few state lists and in a matter of five minutes I had already found many missing chapters. Kansas is missing Pittsburg State, North Dakota is missing University of North Dakota, California is missing California State University at Fresno, Northridge, Sacramento and University of Southern California, University of California at Los Angeles, and Florida is missing Florida Atlantic University. Im sure there are several other missing chapters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnharrison1995 (talk • contribs) 08:10, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigma Phi Epsilon Chapters Missing 

message: Regarding the template for chapter lists, I feel it would be improved if the information under the location heading be separated into city and state so the two can be sorted separately. Also, the name of the state should probably be spelled out. Freddiem (talk) 22:09, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of chapters templates 

message: My rule of thumb for a person being in the :Category:Rho Rho Rho is that the person either have been a founder of Rho Rho Rho or have been a National Officer for Rho Rho Rho. So for example, for Alpha Phi Omega, there are four people in the :Category:Alpha Phi Omega. Frank Reed Horton, primary founder, Ray O. Wyland who was a founding advisor, Harold Roe Bartle who was the second National President, and Senator Mark Hatfield, who served as the National 3rd Vice President for a term. It does *not* include president Bill Clinton even though he was the most well known alumnus because he didn't hold an official position in the Fraternity. Does this rule of thumb sound reasonable?Naraht (talk) 15:49, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It does. IMHO, Hatfield probably shouldn't be in the APO category unless he did something significant while he was a national officer. The top-level category for a fraternity should be limited to founders and major national officers. If it's relevant to categorize alumni, then some kind of a members or alumni category should be used, such as :Category:Rho Rho Rho members. —C.Fred (talk) 16:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone back and forth about Hatfield a number of times and decided to include him only because he was elected by the entire national body. And I think the decision has been not to have any "Member" category for GLO or "alumni" category for schools. OTOH pages with lists of Notable members/Notable alumni are appropriate.Naraht (talk) 19:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  People in a Fraternity Category 

message: Hello everyone, 
A while ago, I started reading about this Wikiproject and decided that we needed to add a few German Fraternities to the mix. Hence, I translated an article with some friends of mine from German to English and added it to WP a few days ago. As I'm not a native speaker (and only two of my friends are "half-natives"), I would love to have the article be checked by a native English speaker. 
The article deals with a typical old-school European fraternity that is only somewhat similar to what people know in the US and Canada as student societies. Anything that you'd like to add to or improve in the article would be highly appreciated.
The review can be found here: Wikipedia:Peer review/Corps Altsachsen Dresden/archive1<BR>
(and the article, obviously is Corps Altsachsen Dresden)
Thank you for your help :)  Cheers, --WikimanGer  Talk • Mail   17:28, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Corps Altsachsen Dresden]] 

message: This AfD for Sigma Beta Phi on grounds of notability is relevant to your WikiProject, if you'd like to participate in the discussion. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:31, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for Sorority at University of Ottawa 

message: A new user recently added a (rather large) list of area Alumni Associations to List of Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia chapters.  I'm thinking that this list should be on its own page; while there are multiple AAs across the country, they're affiliated with regions and not specific universities/chapters.  I thought I'd get some opinions before proceeding.  Cheers.  Primefac (talk) 18:46, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni Associations - new page or not? 

message: Hey, does anybody have an image of the crest of the Psi Upsilon fraternity? I've realized that we are missing one and it would be very useful to put on the page. Vacationlandman (talk) 07:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psi Upsilon crest 

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thread_title:  Leaflet for Wikiproject Fraternities and Sororities at Wikimania 2014 

message: I'm wondering if we should make a sorority and fraternity template. There are separate templates for NPHC, greek umbrella organizations, etc, but it seems like it would be a better navigation tool if they were combined into one big template. For instance, if I'm in a fraternity and am interested in reading about that topic, chances are I want to read about organizations outside of just NPHC or NPC. I think it would be a good addition to wikipedia. I'm willing to do the work (if I can figure out how to do so). Thoughts? Bali88 (talk) 15:25, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about an infobox? If so, there's Template:Infobox Fraternity. Primefac (talk) 07:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I mean a navigation template. I'm not sure if that's what it's called, but if you look at the bottom of the United States article, there is a "united states topics" box. I think there should be a big one that combines all of the various sorority and fraternity topics. Bali88 (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it is finished. I'm sure it could still need some brushing up though if anyone wants to work on it. Template:Fraternities and Sororities Bali88 (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The template looks very nice, but it seems a bit lengthy to me. Is it really a good idea sticking that at the bottom of every fraternity/sorority page? There's already the List of social fraternities and sororities (which looks like it needs some minor cleanup), so a "See Also" section could be added to the bottom of each page linking to the full list instead of adding that monster.Primefac (talk) 19:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is very long. Way longer than I had anticipated. I'm still trying to figure out the direction I'm going to go with it. I figured out that some of the organizations are in multiple umbrella organizations, so if I delete the multiple listings, that will narrow it down some. I might also make the template just for social fraternities and sororities. That would cut it in half! It should change quite a bit in the next week or so. Bali88 (talk) 13:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would leave just the first two rows "History" and "Related Concepts" and then add a third row with a list of lists of fraternities and sororities. Enos733 (talk) 21:38, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I tend to agree. I'll do that in the next few days. Someone else is welcome to work on it too. Bali88 (talk) 15:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorority and fraternity template

message: This talk page is getting a bit long, if no one is opposed I'll set up an archive with lowercase sigmabot III.Primefac (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC
:There are previous archives, but apparently created by hand (User:Miranda mostly). I'm cool with the addition of botted archives here.Naraht (talk) 16:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Derp, didn't even notice the archives list at the top. It's not a huge page (and doesn't get added to very often) so I'll just do it by hand. Primefac (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because there is a large (> 3 month) gap, I'd move everything up to April 2013 into the archive and keep the October 2013 and after.Naraht (talk) 16:47, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving topics 

message: I think the next list to fix is probably List of Tau Epsilon Phi chapters. There is a pretty good source at http://www.tep.org/chapters/chapter-roll . Sadly enough, there are few enough active chapters, that the external links might be suitable to keep. 
Any others in :Category:Lists of chapters of United States student societies by society that stand out as need to be updated?Naraht (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Chapter List to fix - [[List of Tau Epsilon Phi chapters]] 

message: OK, I've uploaded the list from http://www.tri-beta.org/localchapters.html, cleaned it up a *lot*, table-ized it and put it at User:Naraht/BBB chapters sandbox (Yes, Ideally we'd use the Fratchapterstart, etc templates, but for now...). The numbers are irrelevant as far as I can tell, Beta was not chapter #2 in founding, (somewhere between 6th and 9th) and as far as I can tell, the chapter letters were defined by location, (for example all of the chapters starting with Zeta are in Puerto Rico). If the areas can be referenced, then it might even make sense to split the table by these sections. I can certain change/add the spelled out letters (Zeta) with the Greek, but I'm not sure it makes as much sense. No information on how to sort within the years, haven't found an easily accessible list with months and days. Anyway, take a look.
Should I replace the table in the article with the one from my sandbox?Naraht (talk) 03:14, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I think the Universities should be wikilinks. Too bad there isn't more detail regarding founding dates, would make the table a lot more informative. As to your question: what you have is better than what's currently there, so I think it should be replaced. Primefac (talk) 15:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great. I replaced the sorting markup because it didn't appear to be working and got about 1/3 of the universities wikilinked. Go ahead and put it in the article. Bali88 (talk) 16:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for starting the Wikilink, but I'm going to go back to the spreadsheet that I've got and automate the addition of the double brackets and then fix the ones that would be redlinked using what you've done so far, so hold off with the remainder of the wikilinking, OK? Also, thank you for the fix on the sorting markup. If I haven't gotten a better version in my sandbox by Friday, go ahead and upload it. (Yes, I know that anything I've uploaded anyone may edit, but give me a bit of time, OK?Naraht (talk) 16:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Status of Table. I'm doing with linking everything and the National Treasurer of BBB has been helping with disambiguating entries like Emmanual College and Bethel University. I've got one that I missed and sent back to her. If she doesn't have anything with chartering dates within years or which ones are active, then I'm going to put it in the article and move on to the next challenge. Anyone got a suggested GLO for next?Naraht (talk) 15:59, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

text: As a quick note, I figured even if I couldn't find the exact date for most chapters I could still find it for their founding chapter, but *nope*. I can't find anything including on the Society homepage and rituals (those are public) saying what day in 1922.Naraht (talk) 16:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Table List

message: The chapter list is done. History can be filled in with Baird's and a Prose version of http://www.tri-beta.org/Milestones/index.html . Naraht (talk) 15:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this list should be on its own page, especially given its size. I am happy to do this. Primefac (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for working on this guys! Bali88 (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine on own page, leaves the original page a little light (though not quite stub, I think), which of course can be fixed.Naraht (talk) 15:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Done with Chapter List

message: Thank you all so much! There are still a few changes I would suggest (such as finding a reliable way to indicate inactive or disbanded chapters where they appear in the table), but those can be discussed in the "List of Beta Beta Beta chapters" Article Talk Page at a later date! For now, thank you all, and I hope the weekends you're all enjoying right now are as wonderful as mine! The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank You

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message: Regarding the template for chapter lists, I feel it would be improved if the information under the location heading be separated into city and state so the two can be sorted separately. Also, the name of the state should probably be spelled out. Freddiem (talk) 00:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of chapters template 

message: This is a coed service Fraternity not entirely unlike Alpha Phi Omega (AΦΩ). Whereas AΦΩ was founded for students who are/have been Boy Scouts, Rho Tau Chi (PTX) was founded for Veterans who subsequently go back to college. Just as AΦΩ no longer requires prior Boy Scout affiliation, PTX no longer requires prior Military service. Still, both these coed frats have their themes and their sources of Fraternal values based on other pre-existing organizations (in the case of AΦΩ, the BSA, and in the case of PTX, the US Armed Services). 
Basically, PTX is to the Military what AΦΩ is to Boy Scouts. That is just for the sake of analogy to introduce PTX and ask you guys to help me find enough sources for a future Wikipedia Article (since PTX has as yet no Article). 
Thank you in advance. Just think of it as a reason to create 1 more Fraternity Article. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 04:14, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm reading my sources correctly, Rho Tau Chi has only one active chapter and was founded in 1993, correct?Naraht (talk) 15:54, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's create an Article on Rho Tau Chi (PTX) 

message: The word "Red" shouldn't always be linked, is there any circumstance where a GLO with a wikipedia page shouldn't be linked from another article (other than already linked elsewhere in the article)?Naraht (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Always link? 

message: I noticed that Sigma Lambda Alpha honor society was more or less built from the entry at http://www.achsnatl.org/society.asp?society=sla&honor_society=Sigma_Lambda_Alpha. I created Mu Kappa Tau based on that. Does anyone see any problem with creating these stubs?Naraht (talk) 19:39, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubbing the remainder of the ACHS 

message: So I created Sigma Delta Rho but am thinking it should be renamed. Basically, from 1909 to 1932 it was a local at Amherst College, Sigma Delta Rho. From 1932 to 1957 it was the Alpha Mu chapter of Theta Xi. It then returned to being a local but not under its former name, as Alpha Theta Xi, which it was known as from 1957 to 1985 when it became defunct. Which name would be most appropriate for this article? DocumentError (talk) 01:07, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I would go with whatever it is referred to most in the sources. Honestly, you might have a notability issue with this article. The fraternity has been mentioned in several sources, but I'm not sure it would survive an AFD. Something you might consider: I think an article about greek life at Amherst might fly if it does get deleted on those grounds. The information contained in that article would be great in an article about the history of greek life at Amherst. Bali88 (talk) 02:47, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very excellent suggestion. I'll start working on that now and plan to fold this into it. Thanks! DocumentError (talk) 03:50, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigma Delta Rho 

message: FYI, I've just nominated Delta Upsilon, Delta Psi (University of Vermont), and Rainbow Fraternity for GA if anyone is interested in reviewing them. DocumentError (talk) 22:40, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA noms 

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thread_title:  WikiProject X is live! 

message: It seems almost odd that we don't have a page for the Phi Beta Kappa chapter list. So far the best that I've seen with years attached is at https://books.google.com/books?id=6Sw7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15#v=onepage&q&f=false , I can'treally find anything useful at www.pbk.org that would be easily brought to Wikipedia. Does anyone have any ideas? I'd be happy to create it if I can find a single source for anything close the the present day.Naraht (talk) 16:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1991 Baird's repeats the 1976 list, so we've got everything from there back, I may have to OCR that list from my copy. I guess that I can call them as well...Naraht (talk) 16:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Created and working on expanding at List of Phi Beta Kappa chapters. Any help on finding dates for any of the chapters without chartering dates is helpful!Naraht (talk) 20:48, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phi Beta Kappa chapter list? 

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thread_title:  Alpha Phi Alpha FAR 

message: Recently, someone deleted a sorority from the list of List of LGBT and LGBT-friendly fraternities and sororities with the rationale that it is not notable enough to have a wikipedia article. When I questioned it, they pointed me to the talk page saying that the criteria is listed there. All I can find there is a post saying to abide by the criteria set forth in the lead...which does not contain any criteria. If there is criteria set up for the article, it should be more obvious. Maybe it's just me and I'm too much of a dumb dumb to find it, but I think it should be laid out a little more clearly. Also, I disagree with the criteria that the article should only contain organizations that have wikipedia articles. Typically, that critieria is only used when there are hundreds of possible entries and you have a need to limit it. At most, there may be a handful of LGBT organizations so there is no reason to limit it like that. The list of social fraternities and sororities doesn't even limit it like that. Anyway, no one is apparently manning the article, so I'd love some feedback to gain consensus on this. Bali88 (talk) 13:38, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , while I agree that there is no explicit "rule" set out anywhere in the article (except one deleted last year) there does seem to be precedent to only keep groups that have a Wikipedia page. You've done the right thing by posting on the talk page, and until it gets resolved (formally) then I would advise not re-adding Gamma Zeta Rho (or any other REDLINK, even though per Wikipedia's rules they're acceptable). Primefac (talk) 13:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, that's what I'm trying to do here--get it resolved. So if you could give your feedback on the talk page I would appreciate it. :-) Bali88 (talk) 15:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: List of LGBT and LGBT-friendly fraternities and sororities

message: :Template:Infobox fraternity has entries for Pledge Pin and Colony Pin, but not for brother pin. I've found a Fraternity Pin collector on Wikipedia who is willing to share images of the Fraternity pins that he owns. I've seen at least one fraternity that has an image of the pin in the *crest* entry in the infobox, that that shouldn't be. So should we add it? I guarantee we'll get more entries than the Colony Pin. And in loading the image, under what Licensing should it be loaded?Naraht (talk) 12:29, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is worth exploring, and the photos of the pins would be a fine addition. What we will find is that adoption of pins varies widely.  While some groups use "colony pins" others simply have a standard pin and a pledge pin.  (These of course may also have levels of grand officer pins and donor pins.)  For a time, chapter designation pins were also common.  Naraht, you mentioned my use of a pin photo instead of a crest in the infobox for Psi Omega. True; this was done because after a search I was unable to find a JPG of their crest or a scanable image.  Further, it appeared that the pin itself was a stylized version of a 2-d crest. Some other researcher may be able to find one, and I'd welcome that change. Nevertheless, I think the infobox template can and should be updated, as you have suggested. Jax MN (talk) 12:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have any examples of articles with colony pins? Alpha Phi Omega does have one (we call our colonies petitioning groups), but I'm curious as to whether that entry is currently used in the infobox. Well, we should be able to scan pretty much anything out of the pre 1923 Baird's...Naraht (talk) 15:43, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fraternity Pins 

message: FYI, I just created Delta Psi (University of Vermont). St. Anthony Hall is currently sitting on a redirect to Delta Psi ... would anyone feel a "Delta Psi" disambig page would be in order? (My assumption is SAH should just keep the wikilink for Delta Psi since it will be more likely to be searched given its extant status.) DocumentError (talk) 10:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The only unlabeled disambiguation page I've seen is Delta Phi Epsilon. There is also an Omega Phi Alpha (disambiguation) page, but only one of the Omega Phi Alpha's is active. At most, I'd go with a Delta Psi (disambiguation) page with links to the two articles. As you said, Delta Psi is much more likely to be search for SAH.Naraht (talk) 16:03, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Add Naraht (talk) 16:04, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delta Psi 

message: Hi, I'm working to get an article on UVa's Greek life added to Wikipedia and I'm looking for some help with adding third-party sources/reviewing the article. Unfortunately, my initial submission was rejected because several of the published histories of UVa that I used have conflicts of interest (i.e. the author is an alum, a former faculty member, the book was published by UVa Press, etc.). Likewise, most histories of Kappa Sigma and Pi Kappa Alpha (which were founded at UVa) present conflicts of interest as well, since most of those histories were written by people associated with the fraternities. I've already used Baird's Manual and I have several sources that briefly mention UVa's Greek life, but I'm looking for other third-party sources (likely histories of UVa or histories of fraternity/sorority life) that discuss UVa's Greek life in greater detail. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Puppysnot (talk) 17:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this page has now been accepted.  Congratulations.  Jax MN (talk) 03:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep! Thanks for your advice on my talk page. I'll continue to improve the article and link to it on other pages so it gets more exposure. Puppysnot (talk) 04:13, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Draft:University of Virginia Greek life]]  

message: Hello I'm new to wikipedia but I've been doing a lot of work on the Theta Phi Alpha page I was wondering if someone could look over it to see if it still needs the starter quality or if it can be bumped up to C-class (If thats how you do it; honestly I have no idea). Thank you in advance :) Msnicolem (talk) 19:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone look at the Theta Phi Alpha page?