Talk:List of mayors of Erie, Pennsylvania

message: An internal link exists to a likely match for Samuel Hays, burgess, with a Samuel Hays, US Congressman with links to Meadville. The latter's dates of birth and death are available. All that is left to do is confirm these two are identical. Pat 08:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samuel Hays 

message: I can't imagine any reason why this list should be separate from the  list of burgesses, provided the proper text and perhaps a dividing line in the table. The change of name from Burgess to Mayor doesn't justify a new article. In particular see Wikipedia:Merge#Merging - this fits the "Overlap" criteria pretty clearly to me, but I'll wait for feedback. Brianski 07:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My reasoning for establishing two separate pages revolved around the idea that the officials, the organizations that they headed, as well as the city that the officials and organizations led, all changed when the mayor and city council replaced the burgesses in the mid-19th century. Burgess was a civic responsibility, while mayor was a political office of more stature. Also, keep in mind that these articles are lists, so forming a list of mayors that merges in a sizable list of burgesses doesn't seem to serve the purpose of clarity. And clarity is needed more than overlap needs to be remedied, seems to me. In my research I came across sources that suggested the first burgess of Erie was the city's first mayor, and I don't think we should promote such thinking. When I laid out the two pages, I foresaw that Wikipedians might wish to link to the burgesses page instead of the mayors in certain future articles. Separate articles offer more opportunities to expand the two ideas. Ultimately, I think overlap is a judgment call, a relative calculation. I won't object to a merger if there is consensus to bring the two articles together, but I recommend against it. Maybe concision trumps clarity and potential expansion? I've seen it elsewhere in Wiki and always considered it a loss. --Pat 23:07, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I found a Wilson Laird (31 January 1825 - 11 October 1893) who was an attorney at law living in Erie in the 1860 census? He was born in Millcreek and died in Erie. Can anyone document that he is identical with the Wilson Laird who was mayor of Erie in 1855, 1856, and 1858? It would be nice to add his dob/dod to the chart. --Pat (talk) 06:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilson Laird 

message: The chart suggests that the Acting Mayor in 1906 is unknown. I've found some info that answers that question.
I found a 20 Feb 1907 article in the Indiana (Pennsylvania) Evening Gazette that says the Honorable Michael Liebel, Jr. was already mayor of Erie in early 1907 when he was "re-elected mayor to fill the unexpired term of Robert J. Saltsman." He defeated William Hamilton, the opposing candidate.
"A Twentieth Century History of Erie County" says Liebel was appointed mayor by the city council in September 1906 and was chosen in the regular city election of 1907 to complete Saltsman's term, which wasn't to expire until 1 April 1908. On 7 Feb 1907 he was elected to a full term beginning in April 1908.
"History of Erie County, Pennsylvania" shows Saltsman as mayor from 1905-06 and Liebel as mayor from 1906-12. --Pat (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saltsman/Liebel Transition 

message: It might be good to change the order of the burgesses now that they appear in the same article with the mayors, who are listed in reverse chronological order. --Pat (talk) 08:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverse chron list of burgesses? 

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