Talk:Mensch

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 11:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: Mentch is a YIDDISH word with a certain meaning that has since become popular in English. The fact that the word's etymological roots trace to the German is wholly irrelevant. How about tracing it back further through the word's earlier incarnations? How's about providing a history lesson on the letter 'M' - which is required in order to spell the word 'mentch'? I realize that I'm showing little mentchlichkeit in the manner in which I'm writing this but when you take a beautiful JEWISH concept and paint it in a way that at first blush appears to credit GERMANS, I think I have a right to be disgusted. If anything we see within this word an example of how vastly different unzere are from yenem, The word most literally simply means "man" but the Germans found inspiration within it for the uber-mentch who can kill, enslave and exploit all others for his own uber self, while MY ancestors decided to define the word "Man" as one who is caring and thoughtful about others. 
:Umm, Yiddish is a dialect of German.-jackbrown (talk) 00:30, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, what a nice example of racism. The beautiful "JEWISH" concept goes back to Cicero's humanitas. And the OP doesn't even seem to speak Yiddish... how do they say "stupid chauvinist" in Hebrew?--Popolfi (talk) 18:24, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Old High German mennisk was an adjective meaning 'human'. The original adjective, which did not have a fixed gender, developed independently into nouns in several Germanic languages, with different genders.--Schreiber91 (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? why is the parenthetical taking center stage? 

message: I added an etymology tracing this meaning of Mensch back to German "Menschlichkeit" and Latin "Humanitas" by Cicero. I think some Yiddish patriots may object and preferre a purely Hebrew philosophical root. Could they please give references that show that "Menschlichkeit" was used differently in European(!) Yiddish than in other German variations? The sources given are from an American perspective and don't seem to analyze European Yiddish literature. For me this meaning is an abbreviation of German "anständiger Mensch" for a "decent fellow". Anständig also has the meaning of "real", e.g. "ein anständiges Bier" means "a real (or fair) beer", so being a "real man" means being a "decent man". 
It also astonishes me that the orthography of "Mensch" is Standard German not Yiddsih "mentsh".
Please don't misunderstand me, I have no problem to credit something to Jewish philosophy, but the resemblances to Cicero are too evident for me and WP shouldn't be a place of patriotic rumors. If there is a special Ashkenazim influx I'd like to see references.
--Popolfi (talk) 13:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Editor   the hatnote of this article, claiming that "Mensch" is also used as an abbreviation for the board game Mensch ärgere dich nicht. That claim  as an unsourced assertion to that article by the same editor. The German article makes no such claim, so I reverted both changes. Cssiitcic and her/his alias 24.154.61.183 have now reverted my reversals.
Unless a source can be provided for this claim, it should be removed from this article's hatnote and from the article about the board game where I started a discussion on the same topic. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:00, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mensch ärgere dich nicht

message: An editor deleted (it has been restored) as "off-topic trivia" the section on Mensch on the Bench.  That section is entirely appropriate. It is properly RS sourced -- indeed, better sourced than the rest of the article, by articles from around the world (entire articles, for example, by NPR, and the New York Post, and the New York Daily News, and the Times of Israel, and USA Today). It need not be a standalone article to be included as a section here. The relevance is clear - rex ipsa. If the editor disagrees, he should indicate why here, and we should involve other appropriate editors. But his deletion is not appropriate. --2604:2000:E016:A700:74E3:5CBF:500C:CF92 (talk) 01:14, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: @2604:2000:E016:A700:74E3:5CBF:500C:CF92: It probably should be a third-level heading (or a footnote), not a full second-level heading. At least one of the references to it should be added to that section itself. And you really need to add a direct mention of its use by the Israel team in the WBC; without that, it's just a toy with no independent notability. StevenJ81 (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

text: I have to agree.  It looks like a good candidate for Wikipedia:"In popular culture" content.  I'll concede that the toy has some notability due to the baseball team, but learning about the toy does not enhance one's understanding of the word or the concepts behind it.  However, according to the manual, "Short cultural references sections should usually be entirely reworked into the main flow of the article."  I will re-work it a bit. Fordsfords (talk) 15:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, looking closer at this whole article makes me wonder if the Mensch on the Bench guy might have some kind of financial interest in it, or perhaps is simply an over-enthusiastic superfan; let's be non-cynical and assume the latter.  The initial main sentence, 'In Yiddish, mentsh roughly means "a good person"' has three supporting references, all three of which are simply articles about how the Israeli baseball team has the mascot.  Now granted, the first article does briefly define "mensch" as "a person of integrity or honor", so I guess it is a valid (albeit weak) supporting reference.  But the other two are superfluous.  I guess I'm not dedicated enough to find really good references, so I'll just trim the really bad ones. Fordsfords (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of section on Mensch on the Bench 

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message: Surprised that there is no mention of Jewish culture, considering the word mensch comes from Yiddish and the concept is a significant aspect of adulthood and ideals of masculinity in Jewish culture. 2601:8C:C102:DD00:75F7:FF7E:4158:8919 (talk) 01:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mensch in Jewish culture