Talk:Lindy Morrison

message: There's this for some of the information that's been removed. I'm not adding any of it due to the OTRS problems and note in the edit summary....FWIW the only source currently in the article looks like a self-published source to me in addition. One Night In Hackney303 01:04, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sourcing

message: I want to point out the malicious misrepresentation of two sources (by user Iam) in an edit of this articleon 18'th Dec 2007.
In this edit, user Iam makes claims and cites references which do not in any way support his claims, in what amounts to a malicious and underhanded attack on the reputation of Lindy Morrison.
Malicious because his hurtful claims could not be mistaken for accidental misinterpretations of those sources.
Underhanded because he attempted to slip the hurtful claims into the biography undetected, by marking his edits as minor.
He even had the effrontery to cite Wikipedia NPOV policy whilst inserting the following malicious lies into this article:
a) "Xero had the reputation of being banned from every club in Brisbane because of their low level of musicianship and shoplifting charges" when in fact the reference given THE GO-BETWEENS ARCHIVE supports neither claim. No mention of 'charges' nor does it make any claims about Xero's 'reputation'. 
In fact there were no such charges and anyone claiming otherwise at Wikipedia in future best be able to produce a verifiable official document. It can't be done because there were no charges laid.
b) "securing the lowest number of votes ever for a Democrats candiate (sic) in New South Wales". The reference given is THE POLL BLUDGER. Anyone bothering to read that reference would find for themselves that the reference makes no such claim and in fact does not even mention the number of votes received by the Democratic candidate in the seat of Wentworth. The claim is also factually wrong.
Nothing but fabrication from the pen of Iam. I implore all contributors to check out his claims for themselves and join with me in condemning Iam for using Wikipedia in this despicable, underhanded and hurtful manner.
--Mark Ilsley (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Malicious misrepresentation of sources

message: I would also like to point out that Iam makes one further claim which is also untrue, that "she was replaced by a drum machine" in 1989. The reference given is FYFEOPEDIA.
There is some support for this interpretation of the facts in the source which claims that "Morrison's often bypassed in favour of a drum machine" during the recording of their last album, 16LL.
In fact it was LM's drum kit and not LM herself which was sometimes 'bypassed' on the recording of 16LL. Lindy programed the drum machine herself and so her (artistic) input was never 'bypassed'. She was there, she would know who programed the machine.
--Mark Ilsley (talk) 12:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracy in Source used

message: I want to point out the unprofessional conduct by TheClashFan in twice reverting edits which sort to remove the malicious misrepresentation of sources inserted into this article by Iam on 18'th Dec 2007.
TheClashFan may or may not have known that the claims being made by Iam were malicious but the fact remains that he twice reverted edits which sort to remove these malicious claims despite the fact that the original references given by Iam did not support his claims.
I implore all contributors to read and check the references of all claims made in future and to refrain from restoring any claim which is poorly sourced.
This behaviour is to be used as grounds for a check for sockpuppet abuse. 
--Mark Ilsley (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprofessional conduct contrary to Wikipedia policy

message: I've located sources for the following material which was 
restored to the article by user Lindymorrison on her Revision as of 04:47, 24 March 2008 and then deleted by Daniel on his  Revision as of 08:25, 24 March 2008and propose the restoration of the material. 
re:
Before her time as a musician Lindy was active in Brisbane, employed by the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders Legal Service, where she worked with Aboriginal activist Denis Walker to protect the rights of Aboriginal people. "Goss a political biography" by Jamie Walker, Uni of QLD press 1995 p36 - 44."The Go-Betweens" By David Nichols, Allen and Unwin 1997 p65  The Bush Telegraph, Entries 9&12The Age October 6, 2004
She was later part of the Popular Theatre Troupe"The Go-Betweens" By David Nichols, Allen and Unwin 1997 p65The Age October 6, 2004 who protested against the Bjelke-Petersen led National Party government performing for free in public their sharply satirical political street theatreThe Bush Telegraph, Entries 14&15  during a time when life in Queensland was felt to be strongly constrained by the government, select business groups, and political interests."No! No! to Joh" by Pete Thomas published by Building Workers industrial Union (Queensland Branch) dated February 1979.
Morrison currently resides in Sydney with her daughter LucindaThe Age October 6, 2004. She works in community music [for example, the Wataboshi Festival ACE magazine, Issue 27 April 2003 p17]. One of her part time jobs is as a community musician where she directs a group of intellectually disabled musicians known as The Junction House Band. The Sydney Morning Herald TV reviews"Junction House blues" [videorecording].  Academy Library, University of NSW@ADFA Local id: 346809 Shelf: av dvd ML3534 .J86 2007 and University of Canberra - University of Canberra Library Shelf: <BRN375844> 
She also serves as a board member for the Phonographic Performance Company of AustraliaPhonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us" where she serves as a representative of registered Australian recording artists (or 'artist director', making contributions to changes in policy to benefit recording artists"High Voltage Rock 'n Roll" by Christie Eliezer Omnibus Press 2007 first edition p129 )
, and national casework coordinator of the benevolent society Support Act Ltd. Phonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us" Support Act Limited Contacts Page She has also ventured into politics as an Australian Democrats candidate. She failed to win in the Federal seat of WentworthOfficial AEC (House of Reps) Federal seat of Wentworth, 2004 election resultThe Age October 6, 2004 and in the New South Wales (seat of Coogee)NSW parliament, Official election results, Coogee 2003The Age October 6, 2004state elections.
--Mark Ilsley (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed restoration of previously deleted unsourced material. 

message: Lindy is also the sole author of a short workbook entitled "Australian women in rock and pop music" and made a 1 hour duration video to accompany it. Intended as student material it is housed in the National Library of Australia.NLofA ISBN 1875856730 (video) 1875856765 (workbook) Interviewees for the video include Kylie Minogue, Tina Arena and Wendy Matthews. 
Lindy was also the artist in residence at South Sydney Youth Service (1998 - 2001) and was employed by TAFE as the head tutor for the music course run by SSYS.Community Grants Program publication 'Next Step', November 2000, p9. She also teaches contracts and copyright and music business modules at TAFE.The Age, October 6, 2004
Lindy is also currently a Director on the Music Council of Australia Board.Phonographic Performance Company of Australia Website "About Us"
--Mark Ilsley (talk) 02:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed additional material (with references). 

message: As part of improving the quality of this article, I propose this infobox be added. I have used the current article to supply information but I have also added some new information.
*Associated_acts 
**Morrison's band list from the article (except The Rainy Season) is supported by The Go-Betweens entry at Australian Rock Database (ARDb). I've reordered the listing chronologically, adding The Rainy Season last.
*Years_active 
**May need further work, I'm not sure if Morrison's professional music career has been continuous or interrupted since 1994. Start date is from her PPCA profile. Her membership in The Go-Betweens is given as 1980–1989 by ARDb. The Go-Betweens website discography for Morrison (Go discog) shows her external releases from 1981–2002. PPCA profile indicates Morrison still performs hence I propose leaving Years_active open-ended, as is, unless a reliable reference can be found to show that Morrison has ceased performing.
*Labels
**From ARDb & Go discog sites.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed infobox

message: This article reads like if it was written by a one-eyed fanboy. Note wikipedia guidelines Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Subsequent_uses_of_names. At various times Belinda Morrison is referred to as "Lindy" in the article - it is standard practice to write surname only after the full name has already been mentioned at the beginning. JoannaMinogue (talk) 09:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unencyclopaedic language 

message: I have put a few problem tags on this article. A lot of it is speculative or irrelevant. The tone also needs work. My first thought was to stub the article, but I think this is a bit too drastic. I am going to have a go at pruning it a bit. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To make it easier to reuse the stuff I am removing I am only going to comment it out. This will be a mix of stuff which is excessive here but possibly useful elsewhere, and stuff that needs to be rewritten or summarised. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

text: OK. I have done as much as I can. I think it is an improvement but there is a lot more to do. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You've done some fantastic editing Daniel. You may wish to have a look at these two links though - 
*Reference 11: leads to a page with no content (http://bushtelegraph.wordpress.com/recent/#comment-3305)
*Reference 22: page not found (https://mail.cofa.unsw.edu.au/pipermail/master-art-admin/2003-May/pdfmnqtR20H13.pdf). Thanks.
JoannaMinogue (talk) 02:30, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: I think I drew reasonable inferences about friendships, allegiances, conflicts of loyalty, philosophical and sociological beliefs/practices, as well as drawing together the chronology of known facts into a cohesive and well supported narration of the subjects life. That's my style. That's the way I wrote it.
However, I concede that without further confirmation to support my conclusions (perhaps, drawing on the subjects own words in these matters) some of the removed material may be regarded as concluded or supposed from evidence insufficient to ensure reliability. Whilst the encyclopedic standards of evidential support have generally not been very high at Wikipedia in that past, now is as good a time to start as any:
For example, one of my contentions was that Lindy had remained true to Roison's philosophy of "working withing the system to change it", all her life. As you can see from the newly added list of Community Based Projects, this philosophy certainly seems to have remained with her post the ALS years.
Moreover, I believe I will be able to show that one of the most enduring aspects of her work during the 'Go-Between' years was an effort to reform the music industry by working from within it! This is one of the most enduring themes of her life.
 
As for some of the material that has been removed citing relevance, I will seek it's restoration. Particularly as regards the internal machinations of the ALS. These events, whilst certainly part of the so far unwritten history of the ALS, are also part of the life story of the subject. I completely reject the integrity of the strict segregation of subject matter that has been imposed on this article. If such a policy is taken to logical conclusion, it might be used to remove any information of events which could be included as part of the subject matter of another article. 
More on this latter.
As regards to the concerns about the lack of information about the subjects role as drummer in the band 'The Go-Betweens', I am sure that more than enough material can be found in David Nichols book. I personally have no intention of drawing on it any further. My interests lay in other areas.
I do however, reject any contention that Wikipedia articles should be about what is best known or about the subject matter. If that were true, not only would Wikipedia become a very dull read, it would also be a delinquent documentary of facts. Many facts are not well known. Ipso facto.
I also take exception to user DanielRigal's flagrantly biased implementation of Wikipedia policy by selectively removing material characterised as a personal attack on one editor (JoannaMinogue) whilst seemingly ignoring epithets given by her to an unnamed contributor. This could not be more starkly in opposition to the stated Wikipedia policies of both even-handedness in settling disputes, and of not commenting on contributors.
I suggest that DanielRigal and JoannaMinogue are in collusion on this matter and are starkly in contravention of wikipedia policy in their actions to date.
Mark Ilsley (talk) 14:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have in no way communicated with JoannaMinogue and her only communication with me is that which you see here on this page. I removed the attack section here because it was blatantly abusive and unconstructive in a way that her comments were not. I was doing you a favour by removing something that could have got you into trouble. Go back in the page History and reread what you wrote and ask yourself whether it really presents you in a favourable light? Please read the header at the top of this page for advice in how to conduct discussion on a talk page. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know Daniel either in real life or on here personally. However edits by yourself such as adding "and certifiably is a living Saint." is hardly encyclopaedic and highlights what I was saying earlier about your editing. If you wish to write praises of a person, wikipedia is not the place for it WP:NOTSOAPBOX. Furthermore I would like to know what Mark Ilsley's involvement is with Lindy Morrison as it could likely be a WP:COI#Close_relationships issue here. JoannaMinogue (talk) 03:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Problems 

message: The sentence "Forster and McLennan wrote all the tracks, they alternated lead vocal duties, except "People Know" which had Morrison on vocals and James Freud (Models) guesting on saxophone.[16][17]" is misleading. The word "except" is not appropriate. Forster sings the lead vocal on "People Know", so the inference that he (or McLennan) did not sing lead vocal on that track is completely wrong.
The credit to Lindy on the Album notes (note [16] in this article) is accurate as written on the inner sleeve, but the suggestion that Forster (or McLennan) did not actually sing the lead vocal is misleading. 
The credit is for backing vocal only (on that track) and as anyone could confirm, it is barely audible in the original mix as released.
I suggest the following wording should be adopted. "Forster and McLennan wrote all the lyrics, alternating on lead vocals. Morrison sings backing vocals on "People Know", a track which also features James Freud (Models) guesting on saxophone.[16][17]"
The substitution of the word "lyrics" for "tracks" is not insubstantial either. The fact of the matter is that the label clearly states "All songs are joint person & group compositions".
Mark Ilsley (talk) 15:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccuracy in Music career (1). 

message: Morrison also gets equal credit for all musical compositions on "Before Hollywood" and some credit for all musical compositions on "Very Quick on the Eye ~ Brisbane, 1981"
Mark Ilsley (talk) 15:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omission in Music career (2). 

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message: I am taking out this sentence from the section on the Social work. 
"Spring Hill Fair would later become the name of The Go-Betweens 3'rd studio album (1984) although it isn't clear that this is a reference to the Uniting Church hall on Leichhardt Street."
The Spring Hill Fair was an annual event. It was not confined to one church hall. Robert Forster's memoir, Grant & I, makes it clear that it was Grant McLennan who named the album, after the event. See also the Wikipedia article on the album which uses other sources to explain exactly why the album was so named, without any reference to a church hall.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vonhangman (talk • contribs) 06:37, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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