Talk:West Azerbaijan province

message: According to Encyclopaedia of Islam, Khoy is mixed city of Azeris and Kurds .Heja Helweda 03:48, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This citation appears to be to a commercial database available by subscription only. It is not a reference to the Martin, Richard C. (ed.) (2004) Encyclopedia of Islam and the Muslim World  Macmillan Reference USA,  New York,  820 pp.  2 vols. The Islamic Desk Reference p. 208 says: "Khoi (Khuy): Iranian town in West Azerbaijan which was of great strategic importance in Safawid and Qajar times."  It does not mention ethnicity. The Islamic Desk Reference was compiled from The Encyclopedia of Islam by E. van Donzel, published by E.J. Brill in 1994. The Gibbs, H.A.R. The Encyclopaedia of Islam was first published in 1954, and has been through several editions.  --Bejnar (talk) 19:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding ethnic makeup of Khoy 

message: I don't think changing current section which deals with demographics of this province is a good idea , specially if someone tries to document it with percentage or numbers.  The reason behind of it is that actually until now central government of Iran has never done any statistical research which be based on ethnicity or religion , and had never let other organizations to do it,so any comment about numbers at best is just a guess.  I think that retaining the older text which was the final fruit of a hot discussion after nearly one year is enough until an official statistical data (which is so unlikely) be published. --80.191.10.161 16:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, especially about having finally reached consensus, if not agreement. I have removed the percentages inserted by 84.209.82.200 as no reliable source was forthcoming. --Bejnar 16:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has again changed the demographics without discussion.  I have reverted those changes. --Bejnar (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed the whole thing since there has never been an official statistics done on each region of the province.  And we have many ips and anonymous editors who keep vandalizing it.  --alidoostzadeh (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  i suggest Bejnar to first prove his hypothesis about demographic status of cities in West Azerbaijan province and then force his statistics which i believe it is fake. by the way we have 18 cities with population higher than or above 10,000 in the province. numbers and population is mentioned in your favorite table is incorrect and incompatible with your mentioned references see following link which is reference number 18 in this article: west azerbaijan statistics  --Sehend1 (talk) 22:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More About Demographics 

message: One editor said "The present borders of the province are the artifact of the Iranian official cartography and do not correspond with the borders of historic Azarbaijan (which ended where the highlands began)."  Another editor changed it to "Although the present borders of the province are compatible with natural borders of historical Azerbaijan or Atropatene, it does not correspond with the ethnic demography of Iran."  Neither provided a citation for their statements.  In looking at a map of Atropatene, it appears that it was not the same as current West Azarbaijan Province + East Azarbaijan Province.  It went further north and west.  I have requested citations for the current version, if they are not forth coming I will restore the former version which seems to be in accord with the historical maps. --Bejnar (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Borders

message: dear Sahand Azeri script in Iran is what they call perso/Arabic script. It was Cyrilic in the republic of Azerbaijan but is changed to Latin similar to what Kurds and Turks of Turkey use. The reason was that Elchibey who changed it was a sell out. No one has ever asked Azeri epople and let stand Iranian Azeris whether or not they agree with this. I am not a fan of Arabic based alphabets either, but the official script for Azeri in Iran is this. The placenames and personal names in Iran should be written this way. sagh ol --Babakexorramdin (talk) 22:36, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sehend and Babakkhorramdin currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. This has nothing to do with the merits of the dispute, it has to do with cooperative editing. --Bejnar (talk) 21:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed meaning for 'west' in Azeri and Fazaei 

message: ::This source:
طرح بررسی و سنجش شاخص‌های فرهنگ عمومی کشور (شاخص‌های غیرثبتی) به سفارش شورای فرهنگ عمومی کشور؛ مدیر طرح و مسئول سیاست گذاری:منصور واعظی؛ اجرا:شرکت پژوهشگران خبره پارس -شابک:۶-۳۶-۶۶۲۷-۶۰۰-۹۷۸ *وضعیت نشر:تهران-موسسه انتشارات کتاب نشر ۱۳۹۱
is the only available statistics of ethnic composition of Iranian provinces that are really based on census. It is based on sampeling in 288 cities and towens and 1400 villages and has been carried out by government of I.R.Iran. The source says that Azeris make 76.2 percent of the population of the province of West Azerbaijan and Kurds 21.7 percent. The same source saye that for instance 97 percent of population of Kurdistan province in Iran are Kurds or 94 percent of Kirmanshah province are Kurds. Hochvoltag (talk) 20:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is English translation? Immoxal (talk) 14:56, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: West Azerbaijan Ethnic Composition

message: I propose deleting the Ethnic bar graph, shown below, which was added by Hochvoltag on 1 August 2013, because the source cited appears to cover metropolitan areas and not the West Azerbaijan Province, and it was published in 1971 with data for 1969 (1389 AH).  Hochvoltag marked the bar graph as being 2012 data.
Based on the coverage of the provided source and the discussion above at West Azerbaijan Ethnic Composition, or at least the part in English, it appears that this data does not come from the cited publication, but from another. The cited book does appear to be one of a series, with another one covering Tehran Province () and another Qum Province (), the one in that series for West Azerbaijan Province is , but its data is for 1967-1968. Regardless, putting the date "2012" would be disingenuous, unless Hochvoltag purely made a mistake on the citation, and meant another source entirely. Either way, unless someone can come up with a correct citation to a reliable source, this box should be deleted.  And if a reliable source is cited, the actual date of the data should be reflected in the box's title.  Are there any objections to deletion? --Bejnar (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is absolutly true. Astexx (talk) 03:09, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree to delete the graph . After extensive , detailed discussion about the reliability of the source in Persian Wikipedia , ( the sources are in Persian language ) , the result was not to use it in controversial articles and not to use it as graphs , because the graphic representation will be WP:UNDUE . Please look at Reliable sources/Noticeboard in Persian Wikipedia .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 18:42, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

text: Hi, here is not the Persian Wikipedia! Your discussion there is not appliable in English Wikipedia. The graph has a reliable source from the most important cultural administrations of Islamic Republic of Iran. Matreeks (talk) 17:58, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure it is not , but all of the source is in Persian : In the Persian Wiki noticeboard , we had a long discussion about the methodology of obtaining data and I don't think if we want to discuss it again here , the participants have the knowledge of Persian language to have the insight . And again , yes the cultural administration was publisher of the data , but the aim of the study was not understanding the ethnic composition of the population , but it was only a rough estimate about all items in general culture : that means the generalization of cluster sampling of a few urban population is not correct for a large population . --Alborz Fallah (talk) 07:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic bar graph 

message: I note that there are several citations that are entirely in Persian (Farsi). Wikipedia policy suggests as a guideline that when citing a non-English source, it is appropriate to provide at least a translation of the title into English. Similarly, if the source is in a non-Latin alphabet, a romanisation or transliteration of the author's name, and a romanisation/transliteration/translation of any journal title, newspaper name or publishing house is appropriate. See, in general, the policy at :Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources. --Bejnar (talk) 05:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I have checked the titel in persian. It is true. The romanisation is available but not in english language. Above you can see German translation of the source. the ISBN: 978-600-6627-68-7 is true and is for year 1389 (2010-2011) and publishing 1391(2012-2013). The date is in calender of Iran and is Hejri Shamsi and not Hejri Qamari! Now in Iran based of Hejri Shamsi the date is 1392(2013-2014). But in calender of Hejri qamari (arabian states) is 1435! I think it was why you have thought that the source is for year 1968. in Hejri qamari calender (is not used in Iran since 100 years) 1389 is equal to 1968 but 1389 in hejri shamsi is equal to (2010-2011). The General Culture Council of Islamic Republic of Iran has published the book in 1391 (2012-2013) and is available in book stores in Tehran.  The General Culture Council of Islamic Republic of Iran has been established in 1364 (1985-1986). http://daneshnameh.irdc.ir/?p=1848 . https://fa.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%B4%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C_%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%86%DA%AF_%D8%B9%D9%85%D9%88%D9%85%DB%8C
.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astexx (talk • contribs) 03:00, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing non-English sources 

message: This article mentions 14 - Where is mention of Chayperah County? - Anyway there are 17 counties mentioned on the Categories page. {apologies for the spelling errors of the names too many words to cut & paste} 80.5.219.60 (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  It appears this article doesn't have all of the counties of West Azerbaijain listed. 

message: :File:Piranshahr2015.jpg was removed from the article. I am not sure if the only reason was the caption. Special:Diff/645602942 changed the caption, then Special:Diff/645713220 removed the image. —PC-XT+ 13:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  File:Piranshahr2015.jpg 

message: Please, stop this edit-war and discuss the issue here with providing reliable sources for these changes. Thanks. Jingiby (talk) 05:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of the population  numbers 

message: Dear all, the page reports a non-functional DOI. I fact, the DOI itself is wrong.
Please 
Change
doi=10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_064
To
doi=10.1163/1573-3912_islam_COM_0640
Best wishes, Daan Vernooij (on behalf of Brill, publisher of the EI2) Daan Vernooij (talk) 12:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:22, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2021 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Alborz Province which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 04:50, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The source is actually wrong. Some important sources have been deleted from this article and this source is written about Kurdistan province, not West Azerbaijan! There is only a small mention of the presence of Kurds in West Azerbaijan, and no investigation or research! In addition, semi-official sources have been deleted and a less reliable source has been used instead, which does not even :mention the research method. please delete the section :
" 
On the question of linguistic majority of the province, linguist Anonby argued in 2019 that:
As is the case for most other parts of Iran, there are no reliable or detailed data on language distribution in West Azerbaijan Province. A number of districts in the province are majority Azerbaijani-speaking, including the capital city of Orumieh (Urmia). Because of this – and perhaps also because of the province’s name – it is often assumed that Azerbaijani is the main language of the province as a whole. However, our own preliminary investigations of this topic, which are based on district-by-district calculations... suggest that Kurdish may in fact be the mother tongue of a slight majority of the province’s population. " Mrr.1997 (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Anonby is a leading linguist on Iran and read Wikipedia:Primary sources for info on how to act on official and semi-official references.   Semsûrî (talk) 14:35, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No one said anonby is not valid. The article given as a reference is related to Kurdistan province. On page 10, there is a small mention of West Azerbaijan and the Kurdish language in it. But this reference is not correct. In fact, when we look at the alleged reference, there is no mention of West Azerbaijan and there is no map of West Azerbaijan. So this reference is clearly wrong and not scientific. If it is going to be cited, it should be the same article that was researched about West Azerbaijan by anonby. Mrr.1997 (talk) 10:25, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ethnic groups section