Talk:Models of the universe

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AUTHORS RESPONSE to "request to delete" article:
  
When I submitted the article UNIVERSE MODELS the purpose was to provide a useful, simplified, classification system: Historical, Expansion, and Cellular. With the 3 tables provided, a wide variety of models can be quickly and easily compared. To the extent that the article succeeds in this task, I would discourage its removal.
I have removed the last sub-section "Unification and Evolution of World Views" since some readers might consider it more opinion than factual. Unfortunately, with this deletion, the article has lost the full impact of the climactic ending. Also, the opening statement was changed accordingly.
With respect to the sensitive issue of original research: Pointing out that the Universe and everything in it is cellularly structured is merely drawing attention to what is rather obvious; and should not be considered original research. All the points in the article are factual and verifiable. Keep in mind that the article is a summary and necessarily lacks supporting detail for all the models. (Links will be added for the various models in due course.)
Since the containment principle is of crucial importance in understanding the validity of universe models (and does not have a definition in Wikipedia), I have added a reference source.
If there are any further issues and objections to the revised version of UNIVERSE MODELS please let me know; and I will address them.
Kind regards, (Ranzan 02:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rofl - why do you think people study philosophy? Anything can be thought about at a higher-level. So, we get to carry out research on just about anything we find interesting! And, yes, your deletion was sensible and I hope it will hopefully save the article, because the collection of material here looks interesting and is reasonably well presented. The smartest things for you to do if you want to preserve it are create clear references to reliable sources for all the claims on the page, and link it into other articles. I have added phil categories, and cosmology. You might want to add something else that relates to physics.
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A MORE ACCURATE CATEGORIZATION OF THE UNIVERSE MODELS PAGE: All the models described in this article were designed by their respective cosmologists to deal with what is observable, what is detectable, what is measurable —in other words, what is physically real. And to make sense of the measurable phenomena the models (through the craftsmanship of the model-makers) employed the most advanced physics that was available at the time they were being expounded. The designers may have had philosophical motivations but their constructions are primarily physical. Physical laws were the tempered-and-rigid primary tools the designers used, leaving the more flexible implements of philosophy for those concerned with the ethereal world of the emotions, the spiritual,  the meaning of life and the meaning of existence itself.
In the discussion of cosmology classification and of specific models, the arguments used are physical ones   —not philosophical. For instance, it is the enormous difficulty with which the Big Bang model struggles to comply with physical laws  that has doomed it. Witness its proponents' desperate fabrication of new physics —things like new forms of matter (dark matter), extra dimensions (strings), and evolving (time varying) physical laws. And in contrast, as the article points out, it is the remarkable compliance to physical rules  that makes the true cellular model stand out.
Yes, there are philosophical models of the universe. Almost every religion has one. But they do not appear, nor do they belong, in this article on physical cosmology. Admittedly, a clear demarcation is not a simple matter. The Brahmanda entry (Tables 1 & 2) is somewhat in a twilight zone. It is also possible to argue that BB cosmology, following the Pope's endorsement of it in 1953, has gradually become a religion in its own right. Corey S. Powell makes this argument in his book God in the Equation.
In conclusion, this article (Universe Models) should be classified firstly under Physical cosmology, secondly History of Science, and thirdly Philosophy of Physics.
(Ranzan 01:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

message: I have redirected this article to physical cosmology as the subject is already covered there. I encourage anyone who is willing to merge non-repetitive content there to do so, however, much of this page is judged to be original research and unwarranted promotion of non-standard cosmologies in strict violation of undue weight. ScienceApologist 17:25, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was just a ton of WP:OR copypasted from a web essay.  I was trying to salvage it, but about halfway through changed my mind, and I fully endorse the stubification. 1of3 22:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This subject already covered at Wikipedia