Talk:Rakı

message: I would rather expect this article to be at Rakı, as this is the correct Turkish spelling of the word. The current situation is the opposite -- Rakı redirects here. Any thoughts on that? --Yuzz 19:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The word in English is raki, not rakia nor rakı1, 2, 3. This article clearly needs to be merged with rakia.Spyenson (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 03:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Oppose per WP:UE.  It is poor form not to dot i's in English. -  AjaxSmack   00:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Denizz Please explain why you find it necessary to remove the well researched and sourced neutral bibliographic citations that I added to the history section of the article? The history of Raki started well before the Ottoman period. Araku 14:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not about the distillation method, you have interpreted that source to reach your own conclusions into saying that it was a precursor to Raki - that is original research.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baristarim (talk • contribs) 14:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denizz removal of Citations 

message: I think we should make one of the following two moves:
either
:"Raki (alcoholic beverage)" to "Rakı"
or two moves
: "Raki -> "Raki (disambig)"    and   "Raki (alcoholic beverage)" -> "Raki"
The reason is to avoid too many redirects for the general audience of this article. See also Gareth Hughes' discussion above. Like he mentioned, WP:UE does not apply here; a modified Latin based alphabet is used in Turkish, just like it is used in German, English, and French. (See Wikipedia:WikiProject_France/Categorization for a list of France related categories, and then you can take a look at those categories to see the common usage of 'French characters'. Also see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Germany/Conventions#Alphabet)
DenizTC 04:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Image:RakiOED.PNG
In English language it is spelt "Raki" not "Rakı", "Rakı" is the kind of word you would find in a Turkish dictionary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kafetzou (talk • contribs) 13:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: How about the second suggestion, move the disambig page to Raki(disambig). Then move this page to "Raki", and a  on top and mention the disambig page? Now, wikireaders need to click once more to get to this article. This makes an extra load for the servers, as well. Most wikireaders would probably want to see this article when they type raki, not a disambig page.  DenizTC 01:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 

message: Hi, how is the raki called in the yugoslavian lands? All "rakia"? Mallerd (talk) 17:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balkan 

message: That article definitely needs more up to date pictures of the New and Older Rakı bottles. Someone please help!! :)
Cheers!   --Eae1983 (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Pictures

message: The following is from the introductory paragraph: 
Raki is a non-sweet, anise-flavored spirit popularly consumed in Turkey as an apéritif, in particular alongside seafood and mezze.  
Rakı, as far as I know, is not an aperitif. Aperitif is appetizer. But rakı is consumed during the meal (preferably a protein rich meal) and never consumed as appetizer. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:44, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an aperatif 

message: I feel like this is biased toward Turkey, as if they invented the drink when it originally comes from Greece. It is said it is similar to Greek tsipouro, however tsikoudia is the name Greeks give to Raki. I'm not saying that the Turks are wrong, but I feel like this is a drink which native not to one specific nation, but to the land of the Balkans and Anatolia. Perhaps we could edit this article so that it includes segments specifying the regional types of Raki, naming it as a product of a geographical area and not one specific nation.
Limonns (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 00:10, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Abu Musa Jābir ibn Hayyān al azdi known as Geber in west who lived in Khorasan which was a Turkish and Persian city in the 8th century, invented distillation. As we know you can not make Rakı without distillation. Without a biased thinking, I think distilled beverages journey is from east to west and Rakı belongs to Turks more than Greeks.
Sadettin (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Raki is predominately made from grape branch rachis and predates the Ottoman Turks.  It has been distilled for at least 1,000 years and has an ancient origin.
This information should be verified and corrected.
The definition of Rachis from the dictionary:
ra·chis
[rey-kis] 
noun, plural ra·chis·es, rach·i·des [rak-i-deez, rey-ki-] Show IPA .
1.
Botany .
a.
the axis of an inflorescence when somewhat elongated, as in a raceme.
b.
(in a pinnately compound leaf or frond) the prolongation of the petiole along which the leaflets are disposed.
c.
any of various axial structures.
2.
Ornithology . the part of the shaft of a feather bearing the web. See illus. under feather.
3.
Anatomy , spinal column.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachis
http://www.bing.com/search?q=rachis%2C+greek  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.148.0.220 (talk) 16:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be true (though I have my doubts), but you will need to find reliable sources for it. Just because 'rachis' sounds something like 'raki' proves nothing (cf. WP:OR). --Macrakis (talk) 17:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about Rachis, but since the word for grapes or berries in Ancient Greek is raks (ῥάξ) and Hesychius mentions raki/laki, I find it rather improbable that the etymology is Arabic. A drink made of grapes and sometimes of berries, having a striking resemblance to the word for those two... Lets be realistic. Which one sounds more probable? Fkitselis (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure they were drinking Greek rakı and eating Greek baklava with it while the Turks were living the Paleolithic age. :) --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of making a joke about it, prove me wrong about raks, Hesychius and even the Ionic variant for 'grape, berry' ράγη (ragi). Personally, I doubt rakι was a invension of the last 500 years, especially when the greater region has some of the oldest alchohol distileries in history. Fkitselis (talk) 09:40, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin is Greek, article is entirely wrong. 

message: Almost any if not all dictionaries which have been used or produced by ethical universities / scholarly institutions recognized globally, will without dispute connect the word Raki (plural case) and Rakis (masculine form) and the alternate spelling in English Rachis to the Ancient Greek root, which is the word for 'spine' specifically used in reference to the fruited portion of the grape vine.
It is pathetic that that such wide spread emergence of illegitimate claims can gain limited acceptance when all written records pre-date and prove the opposite.  Pickup up any scientific reference or simply look it up in the OED or Random House Dictionary.  
Rachis is the scientific term used internationally in the science of wine-making and more widely in botany.
Rachis, or in this case the multiple Rachi, are the same main ingredient as described in the Greek (or Raki {plural form}, the alternate spelling from ancient Greek with the letter Kappa)
Also Distillation was invented by Alexandrian Greek alchemists in 100 BC.  The Arab distillation tube from 800 or 900 AD CANNOT PRODUCE ALCOHOL Liquor and was identical to the example from 100 BC and the "ARAB" text from the diagram is actually written / copied in the original GREEK.  Distillation methods were brought to Sicily (possibly by Greeks fleeing to Corinthian founded colonies that had treaties with Rome and distillation (of alcoholic liquor) is recorded in writing here for the first time in Salerno in 1200 AD.
It is a disgrace for our collective civilization to promote this kind of aggressive subversion of real world history and cultural heritage.  
This Wikipedia article cannot substantiate any claims and is totally fraudulent and self-referencing.  Anyone that wants to prove this can just pickup any science book on the topic or a reference dictionary as was suggested above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.112.51 (talk) 22:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish revised history: A true departure from reality. 

message: Rakomelo, that is Cinnamon with other spices and honey brandy concoctions, and called "Cinnamon liqueur" and made with Rakı or Tsipouro, are popular in parts of Greece. It is one of many cinnamon-infused liquors on the market.  See Fireball Cinnamon Whisky and discussion therein.
These sources are all clear enough that this has something to do with Raki.  Do you have a WP:RS that supports your negative?  7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Other uses

message: Could I solicit opinions of the relevance of cinnamon to raki? Rakomelo in the 'Other uses' section has several references but I do not see the relation of raki to Fireball Cinnamon Whisky. jmcw (talk) 21:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Better than opinions, we have sources and statements.  Rakomelo, that is Cinnamon with other spices and honey brandy concoctions, and called "Cinnamon liqueur" and made with Rakı or Tsipouro, are popular in parts of Greece. Cinnamon is becoming  popular, and these versions were a precursor to this. 
 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, 7&6=thirteen but I quite agree that rakomelo belongs here. I wish for opinions on the relevance and due proportion of cinnamon and 'Fireball Cinnamon Whisky'. Would you have a RS for cinnamon whiskey and raki? jmcw (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fireball Cinnamon Whisky 

message: Firt of all I want to make clear that I have not any clue about the origin of raki and that is actually Greek. This is another discussion that is has nothing to do with my raised issue. The Turkish raki is not the same with Greek raki or tsikoudia . The same Greek drink is Tsipouro. Please let me elaborate my arguments. First of all they have the same name and that is confusing but does not proves nothing. Second, the turkish raki is made after multiple distilations exactly like tsipouro. This is the most distinctive difference that separates the Greek tsikoudia/raki from Greek tsipouro within the same country; Greece. In Greece no one confounds tsikoudia/raki with tsipouro (btw the name tsikoudia is found in west Crete and raki in East Crete but is the same drink within Crete). Tsipouro is more close to ouzo but different also with it (different process and resources - organic alcohol used etc). Third argument is that Turkish raki and Greek tsipouro use anise. One more distinctive ingredient that makes them the same drink. Greek tsikoudia/raki has NEVER anise! You cannot find nowhere in Crete or any regional variation of tsikoudia/raki anise. Tsipouro is made mostly with anise but large quantities of the drink is made with out anise  as well. Like turkish raki which also made ONLY with anise. Literaly Turkish raki is the same as the Greek tsipouro that has anise. Fourth argument is that tsipouro and Turkish raki produced by MULTIPLE distillations (ussually two and anise is added on the second). Greek raki/tsikoudia is mainly made after ONE distilation. That gives it a sharper taste than tsipouro and turkish raki. That is the reason of different glass use per drink. Here comes the fifth argument. The Greek tsipouro and the Turkish raki use the SAME type of glass(tall small diameter). The same type of glass doesnt matter so much in front of the volume. You dont want to drink the strong Greek tsikoudia/raki in so large quantity. Furthermore, abouth this argument, the turkish raki and tsipouro are drinkable slowly on this glass usualy with meze. For Greek tsikoudia/raki this is not always the case.In most cases it is served after the meal on a SHOTglass. Greek tsikoudia/raki is digestif. Turkish raki and tsipouro are aperitif. Sixth argument why tsipouro is the same as turkish raki is the water addition. Water can be dilluted on them. This is never happen for tsikoudia. Some people dillute water in tsipouro in order to create a milder taste which is also causes the distinctive grey foggy colour after anise. Water is not added to tsikoudia and you cannot add water to an almost filled shotglass. Water will not change the colour of tsikoudia as well. Ice cubes is NEVER used with tsikoudia drink also. For tsipouro and Turkish raki it is very common. On the other hand tsikoudia is served usually ice chilled right out of the freezer. Finally I want to add that I believe that tsikoudia is closer to grappa, which no anise is used as well. All in all I propose the greek language link to change from Ρακί to Τσίπουρο along with the corresponding changes on the text. refs                         Vagr7 (talk) 13:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge misconception 

message: Early in the article it is implied that this is (was?) made of molasses. Later on it says explicitly 'raisins', on a bottle (as can be seen on the picture alongside the article) it says 'grape and anise seed'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.66.59.207 (talk) 17:22, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yeni Rakı ingredients (history?) need a clarification  

message: In the Etymology section there is a claim that the word comes from 'perspiration', which is meant to refer to the condensation on the outside of a cold glass.  I find this quite unlikely, and the two sources cited aren't great - one cannot be verified online, and the other is hardly authoritative.  If it said that perspiration refers to the condensation of the distillate coming out of a still, that to me would seem more credible, but even then I'd like to see a WP:RELIABLE citation. DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious