Talk:Political science

message: The gargantuan list of topics in the second paragraph of this article, circa this date, is unnecessary, given the links in the See Also section.  However, if we should salvage it, it'd be better to break it out into a box or some other sort of separate list for readability's sake. MrZaiustalk 21:40, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the reason the list was provided there is to make the related topics more conspicuous so that readers can find articles on those topics more easily  TappyDoggy365 (talk) 12:08, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of terms 

message: I just created a new template Template:Lib. (It's my first template). It takes one parameter, declaring whether the use on the page is "liberal", "libertarian", or "both". My idea was to use it to head articles such as Liberal International and Libertarian perspectives on gay rights where it might not be clear at first glance which meaning is intended. This would hopefully ensure consistent usage within an article, and prevent overly verbose unclear repetition from article to article. Feel free to discuss on the talk page Template_talk:Lib. samwaltz 20:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Template: Lib

message: Please NOTE: the second paragraph of antecedents is full of fabrications and anachronisms. somebody please change that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.252.4.43 (talk) 02:45, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have time to deal with this now, but I agree with the above statement - this article is an underdeveloped, inaccurate, misleading disaster.  Political science is a modern field of academic study that only came into its own as a distinct social science in the late 19th/early 20th century.  Most of this article discusses political philosophies (NOT political science) from periods prior to the establishment of political science as a discipline of academic study.  Political science is an enormous field and there is almost nothing in the article actually addressing it!  There needs to be a discussion of the subfields, major topics of inquiry, various theoretical approaches, methodology, the development of the discipline, etc.  Metacrias (talk) 08:13, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Fabrications and anachronisms

message: This article discusses the topic in a very strange way discussing odd aspects about political science. But the bigger problem is, it doesn't cite any sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.2.180 (talk) 02:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Doesn't meet standards

message: srilanka has political science as a subject for AL   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.43.215.147 (talk) 05:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: [Another misplaced comment also moved up to chronological position earlier (2007) from bottom.  --NYScholar (talk) 02:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Misplaced comment moved from top

message: Made no sense; removed it.  Most of this article lacks reliable and verifiable citations.  The ones that were here and the "Further reading" section were a mixture of citation formats and bibliographical styles, with most of the references in style closest to MLA Style, but not most recent ed.  The lone citation template was closer to APA Style (generally used for academic social science disciplines, though, as source added today indicates, as an academic discipline "Political science" straddles "science" and the "humanities").  (Most college and university teachers in the U.S. generally ask for APA Style in papers submitted for their courses.)  I've used another citation template (which may still need work for a paper in a conference; I adapted citation template for web citation format, keeping the example APA Style format in the source (AllAcademic.com).  If one clicks on the citation URL, one can see the samples (which are based on older eds. of the style manuals in each case and which also have multiple punctuation errors or oddities).  If in doubt, please strive for consistency and use a single format, following links via Style guides template in Wikipedia. Thanks.  (This article still needs a lot of work.)--NYScholar (talk) 02:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment about NYU in a note citation

message: I updated the information on Indian political philosophers and added a mention of the Manusmriti (Code of Manu). Shockingly, there was absolutely no mention of any ancient Chinese system. Consequently, I added a paragraph in which I mentioned Mohism, Taoism, Legalism, and Confucianism. I only created a brief skeletal paragraph- users are welcome to expand on what I wrote. 
-AP, Washington DC, September 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.253.46.45 (talk) 01:14, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide View 

message: Some of the sentences and paragraphs in this article are copied verbatim from this book, which is cited not nearly enough (regardless, it's copying): http://books.google.com/books?id=kzV4V59udu8C&pg=PA4&dq=people+trained+in+political+science+can+add+value+and+expertise+to+corporations#v=onepage&q=people%20trained%20in%20politcal%20science%20can%20add%20value%20and%20expertise%20to%20corporations&f=false I don't have time to fix this now, the only efficient solution I can think of is to blank the page. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 23:31, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Paragraphs copied verbatim

message: There has been an extensive discussion on the Talk:Science of what the lead definition of the science article should be. I suspect this might be an issue that may be of interest to the editors of this page. If so, please come to the voting section of the talk science page to vote and express your views. Thank you. mezzaninelounge (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation to editors to vote/discuss definition of science in Talk:Science 

message: There is new information on the Talk:republic page that challenges the accuracy and efficacy and truth of the Wikipedia entry. Need to stir interest and more comment on the page.WHEELER (talk) 18:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion or non-discussion on Talk:republic

message: I think that in the paragraph about The Renaissance should be said something about Guicciardini.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.236.224.132 (talk) 18:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Guicciardini

message: I removed American Politics from being listed as a subfield and moved it into a separate paragraph saying that many departments teach country specific courses. I've never heard of American Politics being considered a subfield before, and every country has its own specific courses on its own domestic politics or foreign policy (i.e. Canadian Politics or British Politics). We can't very well list every country as a subfield. In an international context American Politics is usually studied as part of international relations, in fact you can't study international relations without looking at the US. Vietminh (talk) 01:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated in my edit summary, it's even more inaccurate to cast American politics as merely a course offering. In most U.S. colleges, universities, and professional associations it's unquestionably a full-fledged subfield, and, in both teaching and research, it overlaps very little with international relations (or, for that matter, comparative politics) even if some IR scholars happen to "look at the US." Sgelbman (talk) 13:52, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But Wikipedia is not just for the US. As pointed out, most countries have a similar situation with their own local politics being a special subject. Obviously we can not make a full list of all countries and say for each one that the national politics is a subject.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:13, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Then get rid of the line about offering courses in American politics, which doesn't belong in a section about subfields anyway, and include one about some (not most, and probably not even many) countries' political science departments and associations treating their national politics as a distinct subfield. I agree that constructing a list of subfields that are unique to particular national contexts isn't worthwhile, but to pretend that the subfield of American politics doesn't exist, is merely a course offering, or could be subsumed under international relations is just as inane. Sgelbman (talk) 14:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand correctly, that sounds like a reasonable solution. I do not object to removing any implication of US politics being somehow under IR, and I had not really thought that was Vietminh's intention either.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 14:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

text: It seems to me that a way to include 'American politics', as well as that of any other country, is to generalize it into subfields such as Voting behavior and/or Political structures or institutions. Of course that does create some overlap with Comparative politics, but comparativists are certainly a different tribe from those who study their domestic institutions and voters. DrMichaelWright (talk) 16:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: American politics is a major subfield in American universities — right next to comparative and theory. It's a primary track in most political science & politics and government departments at both the undergrad and graduate levels.  Hybras1 (talk) 05:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Subfields

message: In several books on voting, I've seen references to experiments in voting (including ones the authors did themselves). What do people think about the creation of a page on Experimental Political Science? (It would go into the Experimental Social Sciences category as well as under Political Science.) Thanks! Allens (talk) 19:57, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me. This article may be a useful resource. Sgelbman (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I'm taking a look at it right now. I have to confess that I'm not a political scientist by profession so may not be the best person to do the initial writeup (especially if it were to be anything but a stub article at first, although even that could possibly be helpful). Allens (talk) 20:17, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Experimental research isn't really my thing, but I may be able to expand the article a bit if you can get a stub going. Sgelbman (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'll get to work on a stub version. Allens (talk) 18:18, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created an initial stub version at Experimental political science. I'll try to also put pointers to it other appropriate places (Wikiproject Politics, etc). Thanks! Allens (talk) 18:16, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experimental political science? 

message: This article claims, "Political science is commonly divided into three distinct sub-disciplines which together constitute the field: political philosophy...". However, it is generally acceptedLane, Melissa, "Ancient Political Philosophy", The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Fall 2011 Edition), Edward N. Zalta (ed.), URL = <http://plato.stanford.edu/archives/fall2011/entries/ancient-political/> that philosophy is not, in fact, a sub-discipline of political science. In fact, the very notion is absurd. Philosophy is the discipline from which political science arose originally. However, the two fields are very distinct in their areas of study, methods, desiderata, and scope. To claim anything else is flagrantly fallacious. Political philosophy examines fundamental abstract questions about what constitutes a government and the normative criteria for governments. The methods by which philosophers examine these questions are through argumentation and thought experiments. Political science, conversely, studies existing (or previously existing) governments and much of the methodology is empirically-based. As such, the two fields have entirely different focuses and methods, and it is false to conflate them in this manner.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.181.216.15 (talk) 20:05, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Disciplinary structures and divisions aren't often logical. Like political psychology, which straddles the discliplines of political science and psychology, political philosophy has a home in (at least) two disciplines. There's lots of evidence of this -- political science departments have faculty members and offer courses and degree concentrations in political philosophy, political science associations have political philosophy sections, political science journals publish political philosophy articles, etc. Sgelbman (talk) 00:31, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosophy as a subsection of Political Science 

message: Inappropriate changes were made to the article on 18 February 2012‎.  I do not feel comfortable about making corrections; I hope that someone else will.
Mecanoge (talk) 02:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notification:  article vandalized 18 February 2012‎ 

message: Read the definition of science and then I ask - is this really science?  This is more about studying human behavior than repeatable, testable results. --173.69.135.105 (talk) 03:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: These things come under the heading of the social sciences. They do differ from the physical sciences quite a bit, as the article on social science acknowledges from the outset, but the term "science" for them is something that is broadly accepted and it is not for us to argue with the dictionary. --DanielRigal (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Although the term science can be used as shorthand to refer to the natural sciences, it has several other definitions as well. Look it up: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science. Also, political hypotheses and theories are often tested in purposeful practice and by naturally occurring events.--TDJankins (talk) 21:51, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political "Science" 

message: The article title is Political science, and there is a redirect from Political Science, which is also the capitalization used in the lead sentence. Which is correct? Which need fixing? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 02:03, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization inconsistency 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Political_game_theory.  Spirit Ethanol (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Political game theory

message: Removed this unsupported statement (added by a SPA with some POV) per WP:YESPOV #2 re:The Cambridge History of Science: Volume 7, The Modern Social Sciences, Nature And Scope Of Political Science, A New Handbook of Political Science. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:39, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: the statement needs a little hedging: 1) "It will surprise no one—I shall simply repeat a well-received opinion— if I say that Machiavelli is the founder of modern political science." says Modernity and Its Discontents' Steven B. Smith - 2016;  2) "Machiavelli is often dubbed the 'founder' of modern political science,"  says Machiavellian Democracy (2011) p 11 by Professor John P. McCormick; 3) "Machiavelli, Niccolo Founder of Modern Political Science" in Philosophers and Religious Leaders (2013) - Page 117 by Christian von Dehsen. 2013; 4) "Machiavelli created the modern perspective in ... political philosophy, and political science." Handbook of Organizational Theory and Management by Thomas D. Lynch - 1997.  5) " Machiavelli is cited as the founder of modern political science" Dialogue as a Trans-disciplinary Concept by Paul Mendes-Flohr - 2015. Rjensen (talk) 20:55, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

text: Noted part of the problem is: what goes here in overview, and what should be explained in the sub-article History of political science. This led me to do a very rough cleanup of article structure since there seem to be multiple "overviews", multiple "history" sections, multiple "education" sections. Machiavelli was dropped in out of context in a non-history section. He could be mention here in summary, he is covered in context in History of political science, we should probably not make any YESPOV claims here. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:49, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsuported statement 

message: This edit makes no sense. It is clear that User:Guitarguy84 has not studied political science at the college level.  No self-respecting political scientist would refer to their field as "government" without any additional qualifiers. It is the study of systems of governance, a very distinct concept from government per se.  A competent political scientist has to be aware of all the various aspects of power and public administration that do not involve the government acting directly through its officers and employees --- for example, the various NGOs that either lobby legislatures on behalf of various special interests, or administer charitable programs with partial government support through block grants. The definitions cited by User:Guitarguy84, when read in context, appear to be referring to the practice of certain high schools of teaching political science and civics in a "Government" course, which is by no means universal (many schools prefer to teach those topics under the title "Civics"). Any objections before I take out the trash?--Coolcaesar (talk) 21:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No response, fixed it.--Coolcaesar (talk) 06:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre edits by user Guitarguy84 on 18 July 2017 

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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Portal:Political science]] for deletion 

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thread_title:  "Political Scientist" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Right now "politology" is offered as an MOS:ALTNAME of "political science". I have never heard political science called "politology". "Political science" gets 116,000,000 google hits and "Politology" gets about 0.2% of that. Most importantly, I see no WP:RS asserting that "politology" is an alternative name of "political science"; in fact, a casual glance suggests that it's easier to find examples of outlets claiming that "politology" is meaningfully distinct from "political science". I propose to delete this altname and simply keep the redirect, but since we're nowhere near running up against the relevant guidelines I figured I should open a discussion here first and see if I'm missing something. - Astrophobe (talk) 01:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for weighing in . For now I've removed the altname. - Astrophobe (talk) 17:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Politology

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: In a highly interesting report by the center for east european studies of the polish academy of sciences I read, and I wonder whether or not it is wise and moral to link political science so prominently with an actor in the current Ukraine war:
ANALYSES
2022-04-05
https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/analyses/2022-04-05/medvedev-escalates-anti-ukrainian-rhetoric
Medvedev escalates anti-Ukrainian rhetoric
Maria Domańska
On 5 April, Dmitri Medvedev, Vice-Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, posted a post on his Telegram channel entitled “On Fakes and True History”. The text included the following phrases:
- reports of Russian war crimes are “fake cynical Ukrainian propaganda” prepared for “huge money” by “troll factories” under the supervision of Western governments and NGOs at their service;
- to dehumanise and denigrate Russia, “the crazed beasts of the nationalist and territorial defense battalions are ready to kill Ukrainian civilians”; all because “the very essence of Ukrainianness, fed by anti-Russian venom and lies about its identity, is one big sham”. Ukrainian identity does not exist and never has;
- the comparison of Ukrainianness to Prussian militarism, which was “bred in schools” and later developed into National Socialism; the latter unleashed World War II and was defeated only by the Red Army; today’s Ukrainian radicals were also formed in schools in the spirit of hatred towards everything Russian;  "a pseudo-history of Ukrainian statehood was hastily written" after 1991; the historical ties of Kievan Rusʹ with today’s Russian territories were broken; the idea of one nation was destroyed; “Ukrainian historical figures of the 20th century are exclusively Nazis and collaborators”;
- some Ukrainians have been “literally worshipping the Third Reich” for the last 30 years; photographs of "Nazi symbols found in every military unit captured by the Russian army” are supposed to bear witness to this;
- “Ukraine has mentally become a second Third Reich and will suffer the same fate”; “this also applies to the monsters who usurp the right to represent Ukraine”;  the current “special operation” should teach them a lesson, as should one episode of the “glorious past”. In this context, Medvedev mentions the NKVD officer, Pavel Sudoplatov, who killed the head of the Organisation of Ukrainian Nationalists, Yevhen Konovalets, with a bomb planted in a box of chocolates [Sudoplatov also organised the assassination of Lev Trotsky];  “There will be many more such gifts for Nazi criminals”;
- President Putin has clearly defined the “special operation’s” aim: the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine; these tasks will be carried out not only on the battlefield. The most important objective is to change the  consciousness of some Ukrainians, which is “bloody and full of false myths”; it will serve to “ensure peace for future generations of Ukrainians and build an open Eurasia – from Lisbon to Vladivostok”.
Commentary
Since the beginning of the war, Medvedev has been heavily involved in the propaganda field, which contrasts with his previous low level of activity in public life (following his resignation as prime minister in January 2020). This engagement may indicate an ambition to strengthen his position within the ruling elite. He may also be fulfilling a task assigned to him by the Kremlin to set a highly aggressive tone for the official narrative and thus set specific ‘standards’ for the entire state administration.
In addition to the repudiation of Ukrainian national identity and statehood, which became common in Russian propaganda, the text contains openly totalitarian slogans. Medvedev in fact calls for the forced re-education of Ukrainians and dehumanises the Ukrainian people, thus justifying mass war crimes. Furthermore, he makes thinly-veiled allusions to the need to assassinate top representatives of the Ukrainian government.
The phrase referring to “building an open Eurasia” through “denazification” suggests that Russia has more far-reaching plans, encompassing the  “denazification” and “demilitarisation” of all of Europe. The aim would be to neutralise it in the global conflict over the future world order between Washington and the Beijing-Moscow tandem.
The language of the text – saturated with invectives, hate speech and extreme aggression – is probably an expression of the Kremlin’s growing frustration, both at the failure of its initial plan to conquer Ukraine and the West’s resilience to Russian war propaganda. One of the purposes of stirring anti-Ukrainian hysteria is to fan Russian society’s ‘rally-around-the-flag’ sentiment. Medvedev’s text is in keeping with the tone of an article published on 3 April on the main page of the RIA Novosti state news agency. It called for the extermination of Ukraine’s elite, the “de-Ukrainisation” of society, and a long occupation of Ukrainian territory.
Austrian political observer (talk) 12:26, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I missed when it was added a month ago. On content grounds alone an oblique low quality image of a politician facing away while talking to two unidentified political scientists is not a suitable image to lead this article. - Astrophobe (talk) 12:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The title picture of the current Wikipedia article on political science featuring Russian National Security Council Chairman Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev 

message: The further reading section seems to me to contain a random (perhaps random is the wrong word) selection of things loosely connected with politics - rather than addressing the core topic of this article. I suspect many are here to promote the works of the author rather than help the article.   Any  thoughts?  (Msrasnw (talk) 13:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues/worries about the further reading section 

message: It has no sources and, furthermore, saying Canada is less democratic than the United States or that Eastern Europe is more democratic than Canada makes no sense anyway. Adamopoulos (talk) 19:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we delete the map in the intro? 

message: The following was enclosed in a «ref» tag with no other metadata: 
The following definition quoted in this note is not representative of political science as a whole. It is only representative of the political theory and comparative politics sub-disciplines of political science while at the expense of other major sub-disciplines such as political methodology, international relations, public policy and public administration. The definition is question is (def. 1): "It is a social science dealing with systems of governance and power, and the analysis of political activities, political thought, political behavior, and associated constitutions and laws."
The definition that satiates "political science is the scientific study of politics which is a social science dealing with the analysis and implementation of systems of governance and its impact on societies. Modern political science can generally be divided into the five sub-disciplines of political philosophy, political methodology, comparative politics, international relations, public policy and public administration (def. 2)." is much more inclusive of all five major branches of political science. The rest of that previously quoted definition (def. 1) is already included in the history/origin section because it is more descriptive of the foundational elements of political science taught in first-year political philosophy university classes as opposed to more nuanced, applied, and practical sub-disciplines only taught as part of specialized upper-level coursework.
It's having trouble (my bold) with the difference between five and six (a couple of days ago, I was informed by the barely speaking toddler upstairs that his bilateral dump truck had seven wheels) and I couldn't locate a source on Google or Google Scholar even with "satiates" as a mandatory keyword. 
Edit: Note that it's possible there should have been a colon after the first item; but that would only make it bad for a different reason. 
— MaxEnt 17:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Minutes later, a -20000 character reversion got rid of the whole mess and a lot more; this is likely a non-issue now. — MaxEnt 17:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article is getting a lot of junk added to it by IP socks of Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Hoaeter. MrOllie (talk) 17:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced referenced removed from article 

message: Describe various methods of political science 122.161.207.238 (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political science