Talk:Radhabinod Pal

message: Does something like a Tokyo Tribunal portal exist yet? It would be cool to offer a big navigation box or something that includes all the judges, prosecutors, defence lawyers, and defendants. That kind of overview makes for excellent browsing imho.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Divad (talk • contribs) 10:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokyo Tribunal Portal? 

message: I am reading an article by Ashis Nandy, called "The Other Within," and it states that Pal was not trained in international law and whatever he did know about it, he acquired in Tokyo.  Therefore should the line about Pal being an expert in international law be taken out?
There is one idiot in every crowd. We save this guys country from having to learn Japanese and this is the thanks we get. This is why I am against the International Criminal Court. Too many third worlders with strange concepts of law and order.
It seems to me that many lawyers involved with the post-WWII Far Eastern war crimes trials found them to be more about revenge than justice.  I suggest looking at the circumstances surrounding General Yamashita's conviction and execution on highly spurious charges that would never have stood in a fair court.  Such "justice" throws mud on the reputation of the West.  And sign your comments. Kensai Max 00:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He wouldn't have ruled the way he did if Japan had actually invaded India and burned a couple villages. The guy's a joke, especially when it comes to comprehending an "invasive" war. Blueshirts 04:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They did. I am startled by the extent of your knowledge. Hornplease 17:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Law? 

message: The article specifically says that the "high procedural standards" of Pal's jurisprudence as displayed before and after this decision indicates that narrow politics are not a useful explanation. Please do not reintroduce the segment without drastic re-editing to indicate that. Hornplease 08:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the article specifically says "[Pal] used legal arguments to excuse the charges against Japan's orders, but it was a political logic of anti-imperialism that directed him to do so". And "as an Easterner was to support the East in its struggle to resist and separate itself from the West". His anti-western imperialism stance was very clear in his dissenting opinion. Blueshirts 08:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says that reporting a mistaken view. The conclusion is that "high procedural standards" are at least as likely. Please do not keep re-inserting this. Hornplease 17:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article goes into detail on Pal's politics behind his highly legal arguments and you can't possibly exclude this from the article. "While delcining to find Japan guilty of waging aggresive war, [Pal] indicated that the Allied Powers were guilty of committing aggression in Asia". Blueshirts 18:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, part of an argument which you are quoting out of context. Please. The point being made was that Pal's concern with the legality of the tribunal provided a possible reason for what may appear contradictory statements. Quote from the conclusion rather than the middle of the article. That is simple, basic research methodology. Hornplease 18:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of context? Yes the article is about the inadequacy of a ex post facto military tribunal but also goes into length about the motivations behind his seemingly highly legal but not exactly moral or just dissent opinion. Trying to whitewash this fact does not cut it. Blueshirts 18:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it doesn't. It reports the political context as one of anti-imperialism. It reports that Bose and the INA were popular in India. All this is for, presumably, the underinformed who did not already know that. It further reports that one of Pal's fellow judges made a claim about his motives. Yes, that's a reliable source. That's the extent of the basis of your re-insertion, and it is insufficient. The article starts off by indicating it wishes to specifically discredit the crippled viewpoint you appear to wish this article to espouse. Hornplease 18:40, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the article merely states that Pal's legal reasonings in this landmark decision should more or less offset any political leanings. Blueshirts 18:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quote to substantiate. From the conclusion. You have paraphrased a tiny passage poorly in your interpolated section. Pal's politics were completely mainstream for Indians, as the article spells out, and to claim that was 'motive' is selective, misrepresentative, and OR.Hornplease 20:25, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "the high procedural standard to which Pal worked should more than balance the charge that he dissented over the Rape of Nanking for narrowly political reasons" and also the previous quote are both from the conclusion. Blueshirts 20:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. The 'charge'. Which the author points out on p 677 is unfair. Please read that page. If necessary I will quote the entire passage, but I don't see why I should if you have the paper with you. Hornplease 21:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: look, I have reinstated both his political background balanced with his presumed technical "excellence" in his legal reasoning. If you are so bent on removing such information I have nothing else to treat it other than vandalism. Blueshirts 16:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Motive" 

message: "As for the present war, the Principality of Monaco, the Grand Duchy of Luxemburg, would have taken up arms against the United States on receipt of such a note as the State Department sent the Japanese Government on the eve of Pearl Harbour."
This is verbatum quotation from Albert Jay Nock's "Memoirs of a Superflous Man" - while I do realize that this quotation is him quoting "contemporary historians", it confuses the reader into thinking that those actual words belong to Rabahadinod Pal.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.118.32.8 (talk) 15:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misplaced quotation? 

message: We still need to improve these per the info banner. I've cleaned up grammar, punctuation and style and will keep a watch out for vandalism for as long as I can. I'm a bilingual Japanese with very little tolerance of the kinds of racist comments left by others in years past on this talk page. You have been warned. LoveJapanChika (talk) 06:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  References and Citations 

message: Putting in fake quotes of him criticizing the Japanese is Anti-Japanese Sentiment. He was also against the atomic bombs, but that is not in the article.--NipponSun7 (talk) 16:19, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed your tag. The complaint you voice here is not related to whether the article portrays Japan's imperialistic wartime behavior in a good light. Instead, your complaint here is easily fixed by adding something he said about the atomic bombs. Binksternet (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attacks on Japanese Military 

message: I have added the names of the nine daughters and five sons of Radhabinod Pal. This is based on the family tree created by his granddaughter Dr. Madhumita Pal Roy. She can be contacted for authenticity of the names. I have also made some additional minor edits. I wanted to upload an image of the family tree created by Dr. Madhumita Pal Roy, however, apparently I don't have  sufficient rights as an editor to add this image. I would like to add this image, hoping that it is appropriate to add the image to this article, and would require some help from an administrator. 
Adat1961 (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of his sons and daughters 

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