Talk:West Slavs

message: West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavic languages because all Slavic peoples used more or less the same Slavic language 1000 years ago and were already partitioned into these western, southern and eastern groups. We Slavic peoples call these ethnical partitions amongst us Slavic peoples for "Lechs" (ethnic Western Slavic peoples), "Czechs" (ethnic Southern Slavic peoples) and "Rusins" (ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples) for a good reason. Common sense tells one that if even Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Pan Piotr Glownia 21:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main issue here is not the reliability of the wikipedia. The main issue here from my point of view is the reliability of the people making it, writting it and correcting it. Some people are honest, honorfull and straightforward in the very brave fashion. Others are your usual commoners, who usualy choose to coward and to lie instead of displaying the typical characteristics of the typical European chivalry. If this monk was of a noble birth, then sure i would believe every single word on his honor of the honorfull nobleman, unless someone would prove he was outright lying or was a commoner. Now certainly most commoners are certainly people without honor to this very day and therefore as these honorless people are comming from many generations of honorless peoples, so they have no typical moral breaks stoping their lies and other dishonorable behavior. Therefore none can trust a typical commoner without a proof. Certainly nationalists never were, are or ever will be any kind of nobility (any way not in Europe) and they did and do still rewrite history to their own political needs. My problem is that no matter their efforts they will never make ethnic Southern Slavic "Czechs" into ethnic Western Slavic "Lechs". Furthermore there are entire separate pages dedicated to Slavic languages and nobody claimed that a language is the only attribute in deciding ethnicity. These people here do claim that only language is this attribute. I say they lie. I disagree with them and majority of Slavic peoples in Europe do disagree with them too. Pan Piotr Glownia 13:49, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VANDALISM of putting Czechs' ethnicity as ethnic Lechs 

message: Ethnic West Slavic peoples are not equal with West Slavs as it seems and Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples are not equal with South Slavs. Slavic languages 1000 years ago were still quite similiar to eachother and not like it is today. However even from earlier times Slavic peoples had these ethnic partitions amongst Slavic peoples. "Lechs" stand for Ethnic Western Slavic peoples, "Czechs" stand for Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples and "Rusins" stand for Ethnic Eastern Slavic peoples. This is major partition amongst Slavic peoples and it is not based on language, but on ethnicity. Even if Czechs were direct speakers of modern Polish language, then they still would be belonging to the Ethnic Southern Slavic peoples by their ethnicity. Czechs during entire written history never were ethnic Lechs like Poles. Every historical source is certain on this issue. It is possible that this ethnic partition is even older then any possible differentiation of Proto-Slavic language. I direct you to "Lech%2C Czech and Rus", which is part of Slavic spoken history as well as historical and traditional ethnic partition on Lechs, Czechs and Rusins used amongst Slavic people by the Slavic peoples. Every dictionary and lecture commenting this ethnic partition will ensure that Czechs were always adressed as "Czechs" and not like Poles "Lechs". Czechs and Poles do belong to different ethnic groups otherwise one had to put Czechs and Poles together with Belarusians and Ukrainians into the same Western Slavic ethnicity, as the Lechs, the Czechs and the Rusins originate from the same ethnic origin, which probably used the same proto-Slavic language. All historical sources begining from XIII century ("Chronicle of Greater Poland" written in year 1295) prove it to be the general ethnic partition used by Slavic peoples in Europe. Pan Piotr Glownia 15:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lechs, Czechs and Rusins <- the missing major ethnic information about Slavic peoples 

message: Please put them somewhere. --Pockey 19:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pannonian Rusyns]] 

message: The map is original research and should be removed. Histline.narod.ru, hosted on a free-for-all website, is not a valid source of information for Wikipedia. Assigning locations to all those tribes (many of them being hapax legomena) is, at best, wild-eyed speculation. --Ghirla-трёп- 20:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bavarian Geographer Map 

message: There was no distinction between west (catholic) and east (orthodox) church at the time of christianisation. The Schism happened in the end of 11th century, after the christianisation was already conducted. There cannot be said that west slavs and Croats and Slovenes were converted to catolicism and the rest south and east slavs were converted to orthodoxy as the split happened after the christianisation!!
Better to say: at the time of the 11th century schism, west slavs and Croats and Slovenes staied loyal to Roman Pope while other slavs separated creating state based orthodox churches.Hammer of Habsburg (talk) 01:28, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction information about religious cultural split  

message: Ahoj Jirka. This source does not include such a list and even cannot be interpreted. Some of the listed tribes/groups/names can't be found. And this source use list from the Bavarian Geographer and this list is already in this article. That's why I removed it. Best regards, Plk (talk) 20:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  list 

message: German/Deutsch/Allemagne
Es ist kaum verwunderlich das Amerikaner kaum Ahnung haben von der Europäische Geschichte,
wie so wie ein Pakistani von Argentinische Geschichte ebenso kaum wirkliche Ahnung hat. 
Jets zum mitschreiben SCHLESIER sind kein SLAWEN , ebenso das vor 1945 waren die Deutschen Jahrhundertelang die Mehrheit, zk um 80% erst ab 1945/1946/1947 Wurden die Polen die Mehrheit ( durch flucht, Vertreibung, Mord und Vergewaltigung ) , und da heute die Polen dorte leben, und den Namen Schlesien praktischer weiße einfach übernommen haben,  nennt man die heute Schlesier. ( US Amerikaner sind doch auch keine Indianer oder doch !  ) ( Ebenso sind Türken keine Römer )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Former_eastern_territories_of_Germany
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlesisch_(deutscher_Dialekt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silingi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.206.58.221 (talk) 10:57, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schlesier sind keine Slawen 

message: It is currently being proposed that Category:Slavic countries and territories be deleted. This article is related to that category. The relevant discussion is located at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 January 8#Countries and territories by language family. The discussion would benefit from input from editors with a knowledge of and interest in West Slavs. Krakkos (talk) 11:17, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion of [[:Category:Slavic countries and territories|Category:Slavic countries and territories]] 

message: See recent edits...the estimated number cannot be lower then those who declare themselves as such....or? Somebody should fix this...(KIENGIR (talk) 16:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of Moravians