Talk:Didsbury/Archive 1

message: Is West Didsbury the same as Didsbury West ward? Perhaps somebody would like to clarify in the articles on Didsbury, Didsbury West, and West Didsbury. Pol098 14:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: West Didsbury/Didsbury West

message: Why are there two tables giving the same information in this section? Shouldn't they either be merged, or the duplicated information in the larger table be removed? The figures don't agree anyway, having different precisions in each table. --Malleus Fatuarum 20:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb 12:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Demography

message: The information on Desmond Pastore – the oldest rugby player in the world – needs to be checked. The article suggests that he's still playing at 92, but this BBC report suggests that he played for Sale, not Sale Sharks, and that he played his last game on his 91st birthday, for "Manchester club Egor", not Old Bedians. --Malleus Fatuarum 22:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't seem to find it now, but there was a page on the Old Bedians website, but for some reason it doesnt exist anymore. I didn't use the link originally because it was dated early 2006 and I thought that it would be "struck down" and  would be added. What should I write/do instead? Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb 15:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found a page on the Old Bedians web site that I clarifies things. I'll write something and you can change it as you see fit. --Malleus Fatuarum 16:48, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Desmond Pastore 

message: There's been a tremendous amount of good work done in improving this article over the last seven days, but after reviewing it again I've got no option but to fail it as a GA nominee. I've assessed the article against the six good article criteria, and here are my conclusions:
1. Well written?:
:It isn't required that a good article follow all of the manual of style guidelines, but it should do so for the lead section, layout, jargon, words to avoid, fiction, and list incorporation.
:*I have a few issues with some of the prose, most of them minor, and they would not on their own have caused me to fail this article. But there are quite a few sentences that are hard to understand, and some apparent inconsistencies. Here are some examples:
::*The lead says: "The Towers ... designed by the architect John Worthington in the late 1850s ..." but then later claims that "It was originally designed ... in late 1865".
::*"He [Dyddi] was thought to have been on Stenner Brow near Stenner Lane, above the banks of the River Mersey on rich fertile soil." What is that referring to? Dyddi himself or his camp/village/...?
::*The Church of St James is variously referred to as "St James's Church", "St James' Parish Church", "St James' Church" and "St James Parish Church".
::*Invented words: "However, even though Didsbury disparted ..."; "which all trans-literate".
::*There are more minor prose issues like the inconsistent placing of the citation either before or after the punctuation. Whether you agree with the MOS guideline of placing references after the punctuation or not, it's distracting for the reader when it's not done consistently. I'd recommend conforming to the MOS on issues like that, as it gives reviewers less to complain about, but the key thing is consistency.
2. Factually accurate?:
:There are too many instances where the reference provided doesn't support the claim being made, and questionnable claims are made without any supporting reference. Once again, a few examples:
::*The lead claims that "Didsbury is ... highly desirable in the residential property market", but neither of the references given actually say that, they say desirable.
::*"As a consequence, of the marches and retreats across the river by Prince Rupert and Bonnie Prince Stuart, the hamlet was made a focal point for the journeys from the North of England to London and so became more economically active than before. Some analysts believe this to be the "early signs of industrialistion" in Manchester." That's not what the reference says, and the apparent quote from that reference isn't actually a quote at all.
::*"Didsbury's population is around 4% Irish (with two grandparents that are Irish) according to the 2001 census, however, this rises to 39% for people with at least one Irish grandparent." The reference provided doesn't even mention the subject.
::*"Didsbury is also the headquarters of one of Manchester Evening News' most widely read subsidiaries, the South Manchester Reporter". What's the evidence for "most widely read"? It certainly isn't the reference provided.
3. Broad in coverage?:
:The scope of the article is reasonable.
4. Neutral point of view?:
:I have concerns over unsourced statements like:
::*"The pubs and bars ... represent a thriving social scene".
::*"... one of Manchester's foremost racquet clubs"
5. Stability?:
:No problem with the stability of the article.
6. Images?:
:I remain unconvinced of the need to include the logo of the the Northern Tennis Club, and by the fair use rationale provided.
I hope that this article will continue to improve in the way that it has over the last week, and that it will soon be ready to be re-nominated as a GA once these issues are addressed. Congratulations on what's been achieved so far.
If you feel that this review is in error, please feel free to take it to a GA review. --Malleus Fatuarum 20:00, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA nomination 

message: I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of October 21, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: A well-written and imformative article
:2. Factually accurate?: Accurate and well-referenced
:3. Broad in coverage?: Covers the subject very well.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Written in an NPOV and encyclopedic tone
:5. Article stability? Earlier rving seems to have stopped.
:6. Images?: Good selection of images. The Daniel Adamson image needs author information, but I didn't see this as serious enough to fail the article
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations. 
— Lurker (said · done) 18:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On behalf of me and Malleus, thank you with the sincerest of emotion. This has took two months to complete, and I concur with your findings. Thank you once again. Regards, Rudget Contributions 19:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Successful [[Wikipedia:Good articles|good article]] nomination

message: Should we try to get Didsbury back up to GA standard soon? The GA review we had last time was accurate and this is why we need to source Didsbury correctly. Thanks. Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 15:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we should. Let's do it! :) --Malleus Fatuarum 15:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, when do we start? :) --Malleus Fatuarum 21:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, sorry. I've got lots of coursework recently. So, I can't work at my full efficiency. + I don't know what to do. :S  Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 16:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for helping me so much by the way. I must have forgot to mention that, or did I? :) Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 18:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: What else is there to do? - I want to contribute and be accredited for at least one article! :) Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 15:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the biggest thing outstanding is to sort out the confusion surrounding Didsbury, East Didsbury and West Didsbury in the lead, but more particularly in relation to the figures given in the Demographics, Religion and Education sections. The first link in the Didsbury compared table [27] doesn't go to where it says it goes, and the second goes to figures for the ward of Didsbury. Yet there is no ward of Didsbury according to the Manchester City Council site; there's Didsbury East and Didsbury West, for which there appear to be no figures in the 2001 census. What's going on there? The figures look a big dubious to me as well, so I think they need to be checked too. Some of the claims being made in those sections don't stack up either, and need to be revisited. For instance, "It [Didsbury] has a larger Christian community than Manchester ..." clearly can't be true. --Malleus Fatuarum 16:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPGM Drive? 

message: From reading the two references given concerning Didsbury Mill, it looks to me like there are two mills being discussed, one of which is in Didsbury and the other in Northenden. Is that what it looks like to everyone else? --Malleus Fatuarum 15:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do I count? - If so, then probably. Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 18:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mills 

message: Is it possible that the population and population density figures could be made clearer as to what definition of "Didsbury" they pertain to. The lead makes it clear that Didsbury can be defined in different ways, so surely the population figures gathered will be from just one of these definitions. - I presume it's the electoral ward of Didsbury, but if so, it needs mentioning either in the lead or the Demography section or both. Jza84 13:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it covers the entire Didsbury area, not just the individual small part on Wilmslow Road. I'lll include it now. Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 16:41, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population total and density 

message: "This northern boundary is marked by a boundary stone in the front garden wall of a house on the west side of Wilmslow." Presumably this should say Wilmslow Road, not Wilmslow? Can we find a reference for this? --Malleus Fatuarum 17:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, It must have been removed. I tried to find a ref when the article was on hold, but I couldn't. I'd also like to take this oppurtunity to mention that the majority of the unreferenced content in here was not written by me. Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! er 18:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I'm sure nobody's blaming you for any unreferenced content. But there was an awful lot of it, and most of it didn't stand up to very close inspection. Still, that's what things like GA reviews are all about. --Malleus Fatuarum 19:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text:  :| Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! ed.rev. 20:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography 

message: Should I remove it? - or should I keep it there until a new image can be found? Onnaghar   talk ! ctrb ! ed.rev. 17:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove it. This article is not about the tennis centre, and having the logo there does not "significantly increase readers' understanding" of Didsbury. Not keen on the image of the railway bridge either, as it doesn't tell us much. A picture of East Didsbury station itself would be better. On another topic, the "busiest bus corridor in Europe" lore doesn't really apply to Didsbury as the route splits in two in Withington. Oldelpaso 10:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Northern Tennis Club Logo 

message: This is what I see as still needing to be done before this article should be re-nominated as a Good Article Candidate:
*The industries of employment pie chart graphic needs to be either updated or removed.  - Sorry about the presentation. Rudget Contributions 15:52, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I hesitate to point out that the axis is wrongly labelled as "thousands"; so the graphic is claiming that 1.4 million people in Didsbury are employed in the Property & Business sector. Which seems unlikely on the face of it. I think you said you didn't have Excel on your PC at home, so I'll knock up a quick chart later. --Malleus Fatuarum 17:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we just remove it like you suggested? Rudget Contributions 17:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Note: The line saying "the mosque was previously a church" in the religion section is known well locally, but the only online source I can find is this. Would it be possible for someone to find a literary source? Rudget Contributions 16:30, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: *Well done for fleshing out the Religion section. I'll see what I can find for a reference. When we've sorted that (and the graphic) out I think we'll be just about ready for the next GA nomination. --Malleus Fatuarum 17:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's left to be done before the next GA nomination? 

message: I think that the article's in pretty good shape now, and well worth putting forward as a GA nomination again. So, I suggest that you nominate it whenever you're ready. --Malleus Fatuarum 22:44, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Woop! Woop! - Now nominated. Rudget Contributions 16:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's go for it!