Talk:Benny Beaver

message: I tried to add more citations and make some improvements to this article, but they were reverted here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benny_Beaver&diff=175357513&oldid=174913146. I think the previous (and now current, since the reversion) version had a number of unsourced statements, such as:
* the comment about beavers being a "natural" for a civil engineering school sounds plausible, but wasn't it an agricultural school at the time it was chosen? That needs a source.
* the sources used (and I added another good one that was removed) say that Bulldog was not officially a school mascot
* I cited where the first Beaver mascot was used, but the reversion went back to saying there was no evidence anywhere
* There was a "Billy" mascot referred to in the original sources; I added that information but it was removed
* I don't think the first guy in the beaver suit will ever have a WP article
* The mascot change coming about due to donor input sounds plausible, but we need to cite something that proves it
* Please cite about the new beaver mascot costume scaring kids
* Trivia sections are discouraged
* I haven't seen the WP:MOS comment about inward facing logos, can you please provide a link?
This article needs some work and reverting good faith edits is not a way to get there. Let's work together on this. --Esprqii 00:10, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted content

message: I do not have a source as I have only seen references in-person in the OSU Archives, but I added Billy (and his successor, Beavo) back into the article. If I could find these online and not just in a source more credible than the internet... I would source it.67.169.211.39 (talk) 07:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Billy Beaver

message: * the comment about beavers being a "natural" for a civil engineering school sounds plausible, but wasn't it an agricultural school at the time it was chosen? That needs a source.
I will supply that if necessary... but I think most people recognize Oregon State as an engineering school and not so much as an agricultural school. Agricultural was a big program at one time, but engineering has always been central. Example: Thomas J. Autzen graduated from OSU in electrical engineering in the early 1900s. 
* the sources used (and I added another good one that was removed) say that Bulldog was not officially a school mascot. I read where it was the "adopted" mascot. Official? I don't think there were too many "official" mascots at any universities in the 1800s. They just adopted them. Feel free to add another mascot if it is sourced. "Billy" was left out and can be added in if you like.
--The university had official mascots dating back to 1892. The Bulldog was just a wrestling coach's pet and was thought of as a "team" mascot by a few teams, much like a class pet. It is worth an asterisk, but not more.67.169.211.39 (talk) 17:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. It sounds like we can work together on this. My main point was that "everybody knows that" type stuff is fine for an OSU wiki, but a lot of people who read this won't have the common knowledge that you (or I) might have. For example, you might want to mention that Austin is a major donor when you first make reference to him, so as to point out his notability. And provide a reference about OSU's civil engineering history. That kind of thing. Regarding the trivia, I say just go ahead and incorporate it rather than introduce it as trivia--like you say, most of it *is* trivia. I'm going to add some stuff back in when I have time but I'll add more detailed edit notes. Thanks. --Esprqii 01:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As before, any changes I make will be fully cited. There are still some citations missing from this article. Please don't forget about WP:OWN. --Esprqii (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Return of original

message: "In 2001 the Benny Beaver costume changed to match the new logo, but was not well accepted by younger fans." was cited by: http://oregondigital.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?REC=15&CISOPTR=1436&CISOROOT=/archives
The source does not provide evidence that the change was in 2001, was to match the new logo, or was not accepted by younger fans, even if much of that is common knowledge information. Furthermore, the picture is in clear copyright violation. The original source of the image clearly states: "Permission to use must be obtained from the OSU Archives."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.193.162.56 (talk) 02:27, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the citation as it shows what the costume looked like in 2001, which would be useful for our readers. Feel free to remove the information or use  tags on the parts that need citation. As far as the copyright, linking to the page isn't actually using the image. If they didn't want the image available on the Internet, OSU wouldn't have put it on the Internet. There is nothing on the page saying "please don't link here". In other words, we don't need permission to use the image because we are not using the image. And we do not need permission to link to the page that contains the image. I hope this explains. Valfontis (talk) 03:58, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed citation 

message: Would it be appropriate to include a list of people confirmed to have portrayed Benny, and any known years? If citations are needed, are print sources acceptable, or do they have to be online only?67.5.167.92 (talk) 04:51, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of Past Bennys 

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