Talk:David Goodwillie

message: His rape charge has now been dropped due to lack of evidence .  I think the section relating to this rape charge should be removed? Monkeymanman (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . doomgaze (talk) 18:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Hmmm... Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. All that has happened is that the Procurator Fiscal has decided there is not enough evidence to convince a jury to convict. Fine that he's now legally in the clear, but air-brushing the entire episode from history strikes me as hagiography. Has anyone heard from the complainant in the case? What is her opinion, I wonder? --Oscar Bravo (talk) 11:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as there has been no mention of who or what the complainant is (in any way) then ....Monkeymanman (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: there is a debate ongoing at Wikipedia:BLPN any comments should be directed there.  At the moment there is more consensus for it to be included than not be but that may change. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:26, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a paragraph per that apparent consensus. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charge 

message: In the 'Controversy' section:
In January 2011, Goodwillie was charged with rape and released on bail.
Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-12209157 
D146895x (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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message: David Goodwillie is far more famous as a rapist than as a footballer. Should his status as a rapist be prominent in the first sentence of the article?
Htrowsle (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. His legal travails have been reported as widely as they have precisely because he was (to an extent still is) a prominent footballer. The civil trial for rape would have got some publicity because it was a legal novelty in Scotland, but calling him something other than a footballer would be placing the cart before the horse. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

text: No, per the description of :Category: Rapists: 'This category consists of individuals who have been convicted of rape in a court of law'. His case is equivalent to that of OJ Simpson - acquitted of murder at trial, found liable in the civil case - and he (rightly) isn't in :Category:American murderers. Robofish (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rapist 

message: "In a civil case in 2016, he was found to have raped her and ordered to pay £100,000 in compensation."
That's overstating the situation. Better to say,
In a civil case in 2016, he was found more likely than not to have raped her and ordered to pay £100,000 in compensation. 93.19.21.160 (talk) 11:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a clear finding. There's no place for mealy-mouthed qualifications of the matter. For criminal cases, are we thus to add the qualification "found beyond reasonable doubt to have"? A finding is a finding. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:45, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "found to have raped"