Talk:French fries

message: The term "French Fries" is mainly an American name for finger-shaped, fried potatoes. American hamburger chains erroneously popularized the name "french fries" in the US. There is no definitive confirmation that these were invented in France at all. There is an earlier claim which is  Professor Paul Ilegems stated that Saint Teresa of Ávila of Spain cooked the first fries, and refers also to the tradition of frying in Mediterranean cuisine as evidence. The name "French Fries" is biased and misleading. This page should be renamed to "Fries (food)" to make it neutral. -Artanisen (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policy on article titles is to use recognizable, natural, precise, concise, consistent names. Many titles including countries' names do not describe things originating in that country: Chinese checkers (invented in Germany), French toast (pan-European), Russian dressing (US). --Macrakis (talk) 15:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name "French Fries" is Biased. Change Page name to "Fries (Food)" 

message: -- you are right, the web site Focus on Belgium is not just a travel promotion site. It is published by the Public Diplomacy Service and also promotes Belgian culture in general. Public diplomacy is basically public relations for countries. Just because it is a branch of the Belgian government does not make it a WP:Reliable source for much of anything, and certainly not culinary history. The article itself is unsigned, has no source references, and confuses "baking" with "frying" (no doubt a bad translation).
We already include Ilegems' claim about Teresa, which should be enough. And although there is evidence that potatoes were grown in her convent, they were surely not white potatoes but sweet potatoes ("Las patatas del siglo de oro"), and there is no evidence that they were fried. All that Teresa said was "La suya recibí, y con ella las patatas y el pipote y siete limones." Nothing about frying. --Macrakis (talk) 16:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , Focus on Belgium is an official website of the Belgian government, specifically the Public Diplomacy Service of the Federal Public Service Foreign Affairs, Foreign Trade and Development Cooperation. Thus it is a reliable source including for culinary information. You're dismissing an official website of the Belgian government, because you don't like the information. However, the Belgian government surely doesn't spread false information about their own culinary history. The About Us page says "Focus on Belgium is a website designed to present Belgium. On it, visitors will find precise and factual information about various fields (geography, history, institutions, etc.). The website also presents a series of news articles, providing reliable and verifiable information from independent and recognised sources." -Artanisen (talk) 16:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That it is a public diplomacy (i.e. promotional) site tells us nothing, especially when the article is unsigned, unsourced, and contradicts better sources (Caius Apicius = Cristino Álvarez). Oh, and it is not an "official" site in the sense of reflecting the official position of the ministry: "The FPS Foreign Affairs cannot guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the information distributed via its site" . --Macrakis (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Teresa of Ávila

message: The "Global Use" section mentions how fries are being called and sold in the different countries and languages.  It says about Belgium: 
In Belgium, fries are sold in shops called friteries (French), frietkot/frituur (Belgian French), snackbar (Dutch in The Netherlands)
"frietkot/frituur" is Belgian Dutch, or Flemish, not Belgian French. 
So it should say: 
In Belgium, fries are sold in shops called friteries (French), frietkot/frituur (Belgian Dutch), snackbar (Dutch in The Netherlands)
PhoeniX1860 (talk) 13:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have researched this and can confirm you are correct. However, I've changed it to Flemish instead for consistency with the other text in the paragraph. ― novov (t c) 08:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2024 

message: Can be added as a country if refs can be found to confirm that preparation is with feta cheese, fresh parsley and other ingredients. David notMD (talk) 04:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of ways of serving French fries. Anyway, do you have any evidence that adding feta and parsley is a common Greek variant? --Macrakis (talk) 11:13, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of recipe blogs and personal websites, so did not see any I consider reference-worthy. What makes the fries 'Greek' appears to be hand-cut, leave skins on, fried or baked with olive oil, topped with feta cheese and either fresh oregano or parsley. I do not intend to add to list of countries, or an image. David notMD (talk) 10:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek  

message: In the origin section, specifically this paragraph:
===Spain===
In 1673, the Chilean Francisco Núñez de Pineda mentioned eating "papas fritas" in 1629 and women "sent fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs.
I would change the header to Chile, as it has the first registry of french fries and then continue with the history in Spain. Francisco Núñez de Pineda y Bascuñan is Chilean and his writings are about his experience in Chile, so the heading is misleading as the paragraph do not refer to Spain.
Also, I would rephrase the wording to be clearer: 
"mentioned eating "papas fritas" in 1629 and women "sent fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs." I would change it to
"Wrote about eating "papas fritas" (fried potatoes) in 1629, while he was being captive by the Mapuche (indigenous habitants of Chile), where women used to serve "fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs. 200.124.49.227 (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: There is no need to change the header as Chile was owned by Spain. If you object to this reply, please establish consensus before reactivating the request. ABG  (Talk/Report any mistakes here)  02:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024 

message: In 1673, the Chilean Francisco Núñez de Pineda mentioned eating "papas fritas" in 1629 and women "sent fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs.
I would change the header to Chile, as it has the first registry of french fries and then continue with the history in Spain. Francisco Núñez de Pineda y Bascuñan is Chilean and his writings are about his experience in Chile, so the heading is misleading as the paragraph do not refer to Spain.
Also, I would rephrase the wording to be clearer: 
"mentioned eating "papas fritas" in 1629 and women "sent fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs." I would change it to
"Wrote about eating "papas fritas" (fried potatoes) in 1629, while he was being captive by the Mapuche (indigenous habitants of Chile), where women used to serve "fried and stewed potatoes" to the chiefs. 200.124.49.227 (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: There is no need to change the header as Chile was owned by Spain. If you object to this reply, please establish consensus before reactivating the request. ABG  (Talk/Report any mistakes here)  02:49, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Spain