Talk:Almaty

message: What is the English word to name the Almaty citizens? 
:Does anyone know?
:"Almatians"?
178.88.110.168 (talk) 21:40, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demonym for Almaty citizens in English? 

message: Where does the population info come from?  Is it dated in the source? It would be nice to include the date when the population was estimated. (Alexander Konovalenko 23:37, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: A lot of the history portions are poorly written, possibly by a non-native speaker.  More sources are needed, in general, and a general rewrite by a native speaker, I think, would help a lot in this article.  Also, perhaps a section on the controversy of changed names, and the debate over the meanings of those names - Verniy, Alma-ata, Almaty, etc.
Michael Hancock (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 18:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the branch of lexicology that studies the place names of a region or a language, from Greek topos=place and onoma=name --Vsop.de (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stylistic Rewrite 

message: I've just reverted some major edits by User:Papa7 and an anon (who I assume is Papa7 too) which, among other things, replace all references to "Almaty" by "Alma-Ata". There was a significant amount of text added, which should probably be worked into the article, and some new images, some of which are good. But the name references alone are enough for me to revert the changes. Staecker 21:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was... unhelpful. Just CTRL+H and global replace the name in the new material. Also, cf. WP:Assume good faith. -LlywelynII (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma-Ata? 

message: For some reason the Russian transcription is broken: Алма́-Ата́ with or without the accents for some reason goes onto the main page as Алма́-Аmа́ with an m. It's probably not just this page, but any idea what's going on there? m is certainly not the italic form of T.-LlywelynII (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa. How... eh, unusual. "m" is the lower-case italics for "T" in Russian. Added link for the fellow perplexed. -LlywelynII (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes, Alma-Ata

message: I think Wifi cafee Cofeedelia image has to be deleted. It is nothing but an advertisement. Cofeedelia is obviously good cafe visited mostly by English speaking tourists. The fact that Almaty is a green city has to be emphasized. Look at it from Google Earth it is as green as Kerala. The style of Almaty is the 4 storey simple buildings which are very beautiful. Children's world store's pic has to be deleted as well. Pictures of Medeo - the highest skating ground in the World (?) has to be used. Picture of Chymbulak, Kolsai lakes, Charyn Canyon might be useful. Aizhol (talk) 10:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess we must delete the pictures of Chymbulak, Kolsai lakes and Charyn Canyon - you must know that they are not in Almaty, but in Almaty Province. --Ds02006 (talk) 07:17, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, Agree. Though, I think Chymbulak should be left, since it is generally considered as Almaty-city sightseeing, sport and leasure facility Aizhol (talk) 05:12, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Now, I'm not an "authority" such as people here claim to be. I don't hold any PhDs, nor do I feel I posses a "body of knowledge" that "is very likely to dismiss...innocent guesses, or fractal knowledge."  I have, however, spent some time in Russia and in Kazakhstan, specifically Almaty. That is the name I always hear people use - Almaty. The Russians, however, still call it Alma-Ata. For example, I was living in Nizhny Novgorod for awhile, and no one there knew what I was talking about when I said Almaty. All the people I met in Almaty, however, say Almaty. When I see the name written on signs and billboards in the city, it is also written as "Алматы" (Almaty). 
From my experience, only the Russians continue the use of Alma-Ata. As another example, the train station in Moscow says Алма-Ата (Alma-Ata). However, it also says Gorki instead of Nizhny Novgorod (most everyone there says Nizhny Novgorod, or "Nizhny" for short - I can't recall actually hearing "Gorki" used beyond the train station).
Also, It's not just the Kazakh government who uses Almaty. As has been said, it's a lot of people. Many books about the region published nowadays also use Almaty (they sometimes mention "the Soviet Alma-Ata", much like Bishkek is the "Soviet Frunze". 
As for using the scientific/scholarly-approved approach for naming, Wikipedia doesn't do that (as mentioned above). See, the "scientific" or "academic" method for writing the offical name of the country - Қазақстан - is actually Qazaqstan (the letter Қ being offically transliterated as Q in English). There area few academic books do that (look at works from Indiana University, for example), but outside of these small circles, people by and large write Kazakhstan with a "K"  - including Wikipedia. If people say we should use "Alma-Ata" because it's the correct name as dictated by academics, why no Qazaqstan?  
Anyway, my point is that I found it surprising there are two different articles (Almaty and Alma-Ata). I think there should only be one, since regardless of the name it is still the same place. All the pictures and information should be seen together, on one page. They should be merged. 
Oh, one more thing. I just went to Google and looked up "Алматы" (Almaty) - 4,270,000 hits. I then looked up "Алма–Ата" (Alma-Ata) - only 1,160,000.
Otebig 5:52, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your input. And thanks for the note that there's an article at Alma-Ata. About a month ago, when this whole naming business started, Papa tried to split the articles. I'd noticed it and reverted at Alma-ata, but I guess Alma-Ata slipped through the cracks. Thanks- Staecker 12:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Two Pages? 

message: Who decided to place this name "alma-ata"? One Russian who speaks 15 languages ( ! and ??? ) include Kazakh and for instance Japanese? Who graduated at all thinkable universities around the world? God give me power…to believe in it.
Officially it should be Almaty, no Russian-style variants here that’s means post red and tsarist nostalgia feelings no more no less, all the rest of it the imitation of pseudo academic research.
Russians annoy all post Ex USSR republics with these imperial and uppish approaches.
For example Estonian capital Tallinn Russians write in a Russian style – “Tallin” in both variants English and Russian. By that violates the English onomastic rules! And I can give many examples when Russians try to imposing their customs rest.
Also we see the same here.
Indeed, the only true thing is that the Russians spell Таллин in Russian, in English it is spelled as Tallinn by Russians. But you furious rant above shows your inferiority complex my friend. In Russian Russians decide how to spell, in English it is decided by native speakers. So Almaty is correct, but your rant once above once again is very annoying.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.0.229.145 (talk) 09:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alma-Ata? what is it? maybe ALMATY?! 

message: I removed the following text:
::" (unofficial sources claim 2,500,900 and 13% correspondinglyiwpr.net — Migrants Compound Almaty's Problems) "
1. I'm "unofficial".  Can I make a guess too?  I choose, let's see, how about, 1,226,000.  And let's say, as of 2005.
2. The newspaper cites a previous estimate of 1.31 million in Soviet and post-Soviet times.  1.31 million is pretty close to 1.226 million and considering a lot of Russians, Germans, and other Europeans left in the 1990s, and that the federal government and most federal agencies left in the late 1990s and early 2000s (yes, some institutes and agencies remain), it's not unreasonable to think that the population declined somewhat.  Maybe it only declined slightly in the city proper (which is what we're talking about here) and increased slightly outside the city.  There are A LOT of new houses in the foothills being constructed or that were recently constructed.
3. Newspapers are generally not a reliable source of information for census estimates, at least not as reliable as a government census bureau.  I wouldn't use a U.S. newspaper for a population estimate that differed from the government estimate, and I certainly would not do it with a Kazakh newspaper.  Many news articles there are written more like an editorial than an objective news article.  While this IWPR article isn't too bad, there are still hints of this.
4. Whoever added 2,500,900 just made it up.  It's nowhere in the article.
Ufwuct (talk) 16:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While points 1, 2, and 4 are absolutely correct, you're on shaky ground with point 3 given that the existing population figure given (1,226,000) is also drawn from a newspaper (well, an "internet newspaper", to use its self-described function). On the face of it, I don't see that gazeta.kz is any more useful than iwpr.net, so if "newspapers are bad" is the rationale there should not be any population stat on this article until a direct link to something more official can be found. Agreed? - Hux (talk) 00:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unofficial population estimate

message: Does some guy who works in sales for a hotel in Hollywood really rank as famous?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.18.66 (talk) 07:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Daryn Kuspanov  

message: What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 12:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Almaty]] 

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message: *1 . Father Baibek (Mayor) and studied in the same class with Elbasy Nazarbaev.
*2 . 10 % Kazakh prescribed in Alma-Ata, it was the limit order .
*3 - Goloshchekin moved to Alma-Ata in 1925 .
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thread_title:  Medley

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message: Just modified the Almaty page for the history in 18th century.
It was governed by Qing Dynasity after the war between Dzungar. I have added the treaty from Wikisource signed by China and Russian. But someone told me I cannot cite Wiki. 
Once again it was undone by JesseRafe:"Please take this issue to the talk page, I know that you are a new editor and English might not be your first language, but the writing in total and the choice of piping certain words is so unclear that it is inappropriate to leave on the page for other readers. Reverting without discussing on Talk is called "edit warring" and you may be blocked for the practice."
What I added there is that"In 1758, Qing Empire defeated Dzungar during the Dzungar–Qing Wars. Since then, the city and region belonged to Qing Empire. It was then ceded as part of Russian Empire in 1864 after Russian signed Treaty of Tarbagatai with Qing Dynasity."
Originally it is "During the eighteenth century, the city and region was roughly on the border between the Khanate of Kokand and Qing Empire. It was then absorbed as part of Russian Empire in the 1850s."
The original version don't have any sources and show wrong information at all. There's no doubt that Almaty belonged to Qing Dynasity for about 100 years that we can find it from the map of Qing Empire. 
Could anyone tell me which part of it is not clear? I think at least it's clearer than the last version.Quetazhi (talk) 03:26, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this to the talk. I undid because the writing was sloppy and the only two sources you had were wikis or ones that maybe nobody outside of China can read? I doubt the actual people.com, which is an American celebrity gossip site, would write about this topic, and http://www.people.com.cn/GB/historic/1007/3297.html|title=中俄签订《勘分西北界约记》|website=人民网 gives me a "404 Not Found" on multiple computers. The last version was an improvement over the prior attempts and thank you for bringing it to the talk page. Please work together and come up with a solution here before adding the problematic edits again. Thanks for your contributions! JesseRafe (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, dear JesseRafe. The link is "http://www.people.com.cn/GB/historic/1007/3297.html", I am afraid that you've not clicked the right link. In the original article, there are also some citations in Russian. So I think it's Ok to use Chinese here. It said that "通过《中俄北京条约》和《勘分西北界约记》，沙俄割占了中国西部巴尔喀什湖以东、以南和斋桑淖尔南北44万多平方公里的领土", which means "Russia ceded 440,000 square kilometer of territory from the east and south of Balkhash Lake and around the Zaisan Lake from west of China through Treaty of Peking and Treaty of Tarbagatai". Almaty is included in that region. Also in the Wiki item of Treaty of Tarbagatai and Dzungar–Qing Wars we can find more information. I understand that wiki cannot prove with each other, however, it still explains something in a degree. Furthermore, the original one is much more unclear without any further information.Quetazhi (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

text:  Also found more information from National Palace Museum https://www.npm.gov.tw/exh98/frontier/en3.html, "The treaties and maps of the present exhibition reveal how this part of the borders had receded through each stage of the ever-diminishing strength of the nation, from the High Qing's border Lake Balkash, all the way retreating eastwards to the Turgen River, then again to the Khorgos River. It was such a pity that even the shoals in the River had to be parted with." We can find the map of Qing dynasty where Almaty is right within its territory.Quetazhi (talk) 09:13, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody ever said that Chinese sources were inadmissible. I clearly stated that that is a fake website. In the rest of the world people.com is an entertainment/gossip site, as seen from the wikilink I added above if you can't access the real people.com website from China. I don't know why whatever Chinese history content you are purporting to have found for your claim is using people.com as its host, but that link is inaccessible to me, and most likely others in the US or the non-China world. As I also stately clearly above, I tried on different computers and browsers. It's 404 on both. The link you repasted is clearly exactly the same as the one I pasted in this same thread. So, that's the end of that. If you can't find any other sources, then this change will remain uncitable. And for what it's worth, people.com is regularly removed from from BLP articles as it's not considered a reliable source in the domain that it's actually about, celebrity gossip. It's even less reliable for Chinese history. JesseRafe (talk) 16:58, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, dear JesseRafe. The link is a famous website in China. As you know, PRC is short for People's Republic of China. People's Daily is the most famous newspaper in China. The website 'people.com.cn' is the official website related to people's daily. It's a totally different website from 'people.com'. Actually I am in Kazakhstan now and I could access to it. Seems it's not because of the location. The one you pasted above has some special characters which is not compatible to the explorer. Could you try the link  I added again?  I have found another English source from National Palace museum as well. If you are convenient, please check it as well. It describes the territory change based on the map of Qing Dynasity. Lake Balkash/Balkhash which locates in the west of Almaty is recorded in both links as the border of Qing Dynasity. Quetazhi (talk) 09:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The History of Almaty in 18th century 

message: Currently doesn't mention the 1920 uprising (:ru:Верненский мятеж (1920)) about which Dmitry Furmanov would write the novel Mutiny (:ru:Мятеж (роман)) later adapted as a play czar 23:21, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1920 uprising 

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message: Hello! Have you seen Nur-Sultan map? It's on pages of city's districts, where they are highlighted in red. Can someone make same map about Almaty, with districts and microdistricts? Thanks in advance. MainsNoobMains (talk) 07:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  City's own Wikipedia map 

message: The 1911 Kebin earthquake needs to be given more than the current single line. 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:ED51:6B3A:2C26:4143 (talk) 19:25, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  1911 Kebin earthquake 

message: "It has a relatively mild climate with warm and dry summers and quite cold winters."  Is this self-consistent?  "Quite cold" does not smack me as relatively mild. 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:600C:9F9C:5E73:5444 (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: During the first year or so of the COVID pandemic, the city's pulse was dramatically changed.  This should be added to the history section.  See, e.g., https://astanatimes.com › 2021 › 01 › almaty-tightens-covid-19-restrictions-as-cases-continue-to-surge, https://newsinfo.inquirer.net › 1409010 › kazakhstan-detects-possible-covid-variant-in-its-biggest-city , https://www.rferl.org › a › kazakhstan-coronavirus-surge-stadium-hospital › 31180089.html , https://astanatimes.com/2022/07/almaty-enters-yellow-zone-as-omicron-variant-of-covid-19-causes-spike-in-cases-in-kazakhstan/ , ttps://www.reuters.com › article › us-health-coronavirus-kazakhstan-idUSKBN23M1U7 , https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › COVID-19_pandemic_in_Kazakhstan Kdammers (talk) 19:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  COVID 19