Talk:Near-open central vowel

message: Is this vowel supposed to be rounded or not rounded?? 
:Its roundedness is unspecificed. Nohat 17:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's supposed to be unrounded, but can someone who is down and jiggy with phonology answer this and make the edit if necessary? Cheers Perezkelly 02:52, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The rounded version of it is extremely rare. Peter238 (talk) 02:23, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny thing is, Russians pronounce ɐ (the sound that is normally indicated with letter "а") both as rounded and as non-rounded. Somehow, everyone is used to it. 81.89.66.133 (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Roundedness

message: Although this symbol is used for transcription, isn't the Portuguese vowel higher than this, mid-open or even mid? kwami 01:25, 2005 August 17 (UTC)
I am removing the Portuguese example but keeping it here, in case people decide it should go back:
*European Portuguese: amo  
In Lisbon this vowel is an exemplar of . It is higher than [ɛ] and [ɔ], and lower than [e] and [o]. At least according to the vowel chart of the IPA Handbook. 
The symbol  for unstressed a belongs to a non-IPA tradition of rotating a vowel to indicate its unstressed value. Likewise, unstressed e is transcribed <ə>, though it is not [ə] phonetically. kwami 22:25, 2005 August 17 (UTC)
:However, juging from the table here, the vowel of European Portuguese you speak of  is still lower than a cardinal mid vowel. So maybe it's not totally inconceivable that it be denote . FilipeS 20:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continental Portuguese 

message: A vast majority of U.S. English speakers actually do use the phonetic value  in words like but and cut.  I know I do, for instance, as does nearly everyone else I've spoken to who isn't from the South (and I've done a lot of travelling).  I'm going to update both pages with a note that GA pronunciation of the "short u" sound varies.  Dave 06:49, September 8, 2005 (UTC)
:According to Ladefoged, the sound in Los Angeles is [ɐ]. It may well be different than the Southern vowel, but that doesn't mean it's a back vowel. The difference could be one of height. I've never seen a formant plot that showed a back vowel. kwami 23:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In American English 

message: Aeusoes1, why did you put fake meanings in? -lysdexia 01:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the table 

message: The article states that "the /ɐː/ of car may be fronted to /ɐː/ for some speakers". The problem is that the symbol used doesn't represent a different sound at all. What is /ɐː/ sometimes fronted to? /æː/, /œː/, /ɛː/, /øː/, /eː/, /yː/, /iː/...? (If it's fronted to any of the last six, it would also be raised). Does anybody know what the /ɐː/ of car may be fronted to for some speakers? Sw258 (talk) 11:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fronted to a near-open near-front vowel.  And by the way, yes the symbol used does represent a different sound because it has an advanced diacritic underneath it. Thegryseone (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks for clearing that up - I didn't notice the diacritic. Sw258 (talk) 19:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  A near open front vowel would be better written as . The current statement is confusing: "In New Zealand it may be fronted . See English phonology." The symbol under ɐ means that it is closer to the center (closer to [ə]). Was the word "fronted" the intended one or a wrong vowel used? The article, English phonology, has no explanation. --Mahmudmasri (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  NZ  is never front (meaning "fully front" rather than "not back"), it may be fronted to a near-open near-front (=advanced/fronted central) unrounded vowel. Besides, your browser is displaying that symbol wrongly; it is  with  under it. Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 14:00, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NZ English: fronted? 

message: The sounds for this seems bogus.  Is he supposed to be saying it twice ?Lathamibird (talk) 07:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just a bug in your browser. I'm using Firefox, I played the sound twice. The first time it sounded ok, the second time it sounded as you described. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 10:42, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound ? 

message: No part of the Arabic example and explanation "Allophone of short /a/ in unstressed syllables for Persian Gulf speakers." is to be found in the source provided. Furthermore, "Persian Gulf speakers" is an ambiguous term as it can refer to Gulf Arabic or the dialects of Peninsular Arabic (including Gulf Arabic). --KoveytBud (talk) 01:37, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find a ref falsification, WP:BEBOLD and remove it. Mr KEBAB (talk) 02:09, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The source doesn't match the content for Arabic 

message: I noticed the absence of Icelandic in the chart. I don't know of any reliable sources for this, but just from listening it seems like unstressed /a/ is often realized in Icelandic as [ɐ]. The Icelandic phonology article doesn't mention this, and I haven't found any specific reliable sources. Anyone else hear this?162.247.45.152 (talk) 18:08, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: You answered yourself: it's not here because nobody is aware of a source that discusses what you're talking about. Some amount of mid-centralization of unstressed vowels is to be expected in pretty much any language that has relatively few (or a moderate amount of) vowels. Plus, Icelandic has no contrastive unrounded vowel near the  space, which opens up the possibility of -raising in unstressed contexts. Mr KEBAB (talk) 18:25, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic? 

message: All this does is create an extra step in getting readers to the right information. I'm nominating this for deletion and redirecting  to Near-open central unrounded vowel which is where it needs to go per IPA. Pariah24 (talk) 17:33, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Per IPA?  has an undefined roundedness... Mr KEBAB (talk) 17:35, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well regardless both articles use the exact same audio. Please see my AfD entry. Pariah24 (talk) 17:48, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK Pariah24 has changed his mind and so I'll close the AfD discussion and remove the tag. Mr KEBAB (talk) 19:38, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page doesn't need to exist 

message: --mach 🙈🙉🙊 17:00, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant discussion at [[Talk:Mid central vowel#Challenging the recent edits by Kbb2, especially concerning German]] 

message: I find it hard to believe that this sound clip in this article is actually of the near-open central vowel. It sounds very different to my ears from how this vowel is pronounced in the languages and dialects I speak (British English and European Portuguese), nor does it sound like any of the vowels I hear in the small russian clip found in this same article. To my ears it is far closer to an open central vowel.
Is this a mistake? Is there a better quality clip that could be used instead?
80.2.140.122 (talk) 13:54, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur... at least that the sound clip for /ɐ/ sound fishily near-identical to the one for /ʌ/. Wolfdog (talk) 23:21, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

text: There's possibly been a discussion about this already elsewhere, but it's not on this talk page, so I'm going to change it to another one. Tell me if this sounds right. Wolfdog (talk) 23:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: See Help talk:IPA#Vowel samples revisited. Nardog (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the sound clip correct? 

message: As a Vietnamese, the example "chếch" is wrong. ê is pronounced like e (Close-mid front unrounded vowel).
A correct example would be "ba" (translation in English is the number three) Kevingb1 (talk) 17:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The example for Vietnamese is wrong