Talk:Telugu Chodas

message: * Please replace the name 'Chola' (சோள) that means the name of an eatable grain, with 'Chozha' (சோழ) which means the name of a king and/or his dynasty.Helppublic (talk) 10:08, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

message: There was nothing like "Konidena Chodas" in Andhra history. It is a well-known fact that Konidena was the capital of Telugu Chodas for some time. My appeal is not to create false history. This part was deleted. Similarly, the chronology of Cholas which had no relevance to Telugu Chodas was also deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.197.227.228 (talk • contribs) 
::Your deletres have been reverted. What are your sources for claiming that there were no Konidena Chodas? This article is adequately cited. The history of Telugu Chodas was closely related to that of the Cholas and the Eastern Chalukyas - Parthi 21:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Kapu or Telaga people are not Chola descendents. Kapus belong to Buddhist Kaampu tribe that migrated from East India (Bihar region) around first century CE. Chola/Choda people were of recent arrivals and had Tamil comnnections. Marital intermixing could not be ruled out. Kumarrao 12:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Baseless Claim

message: I think 'Panel 1' has made the above input. 'Panel 1' must engage in meanigful discussion avoiding uncivil language and making allegations and innuendos. He/she also should sign up whenever input is made. Read Wiki Instructions. It seems 'panel 1' assumes that I a belong to kamma community just because I contributed inputs to 'Kamma (caste)' article. I am a historian interested in medieval Telugu history. It does not behoove well upon 'Panel 1' to be carried away by caste affiliations while discussing history. I never made changes to Madurai Nayaks withour revealing my identity. Panel 1 must be grateful to me for citing correct references about the Balija identity of Nagama Nayaka. I made necessary changes in 'Kamma (caste)' and 'Madurai Nayaks' subsequent to which 'Panel 1' has used my info wherever needed. Regarding cholas: Whatever I mentioned exists in the articles on 'Kapu(caste)' and 'Telugu Cholas' itself. Read these articles carefully. Decide yourself if you want to claim Aryan "Kaampu' ancestry or Dravidian 'Chola' connections'. I shall not touch these articles henceforth.Kumarrao 10:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply

message: Dear Panel 1, See my contributions which range from Andhra Pradesh, Satavahanas, Alexander, Sindhudesh, Bhattiprolu, the battle of Raichur upto corrections/deletions in Kamma (caste). The articles on Reddy & Kapu are so confusing that it would take ages to set them in right perspective. You must do this job as your contributions soley deal with Kapu-related sub-groups. My only appeal is to do your job dispassionately. Whatever you have done so far falls short of Wiki standards. The insinuation about me copying others' inputs is left to the conscience of the person making the allegation. Wiki "History' record stands by my side.Kumarrao 12:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply

message: I reproduce below the input I made in Talk page of Kapu (caste). Panel 1 should be more broad-minded, rid himself of prejudices and built-in jealousies. Contributions to Wiki are read by people all over the world. One has to make inputs dispassionately and with proper references and historical records. Speculations and imginations are to be avoided. You can certainly discuss your thoughts on Talk pages. As far as history is concerned, no ruler or kingdom has covered himself/itself with glory. We know how 'great' kingdoms are raged to dust overnight. We are in the 21st century, not in Medieval India to perpetuate caste-based prejudices. We should learn from the history how not to repeat the mistakes of the past. This applies all the more relevantly to Indian/Telugu history.
Nagama Nayak and his son Viswanatha Nayak were Balija merchants. The father was the royal mace-bearer and the son was betel-bearer in Vijayanagar court. Both impressed the king with their loyalty and obedience. This information is available in two well-known historical books on Vijayanagar. Every Telugu should be proud of these Nayaks. The contributions of Tirumala Nayak, descendent of Viswanatha, are simply magnificent.Kumarrao 12:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reproduction

message: Telugu Cholas, especially Velanati Chodas, who belonged to Durjaya vamsa gave rise to a section of Kamma and to Telaga communities. Choda/Chode surnames are prevalent in both the communities. Kumarrao 13:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Telugu Cholas

message: Dear 67.174.222.38 , 
Please log in with proper User name, make edits and participate in discussion. You confessed that you did not know that Choda and Chode surnames did not exist among Kammas. You may broaden your knowledge. Existence of Kammas and Kammanadu and relevant inscriptions are available from the time of Ikshvakus. See Kamma (caste) and Kammanadu for details and citations. New gothrams were given by Badabanala Bhatta to Kammas and Velamas in 10th century. See many inscriptions of Kamma Nayaks with Durjaya Vamsa and Vallutla Gothra. If you widen your horizon you understand better about others. Kumarrao 08:54, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Descendents

message: According to Paula Richman in "Questioning Ramayana:A South Asian Tradition" a ruler named "Varada Raju" belonging to  Balija caste  claimed descent from Karikala Chola.As per Etukuri BalaRama Murthi in "Andhrula Samkshiptha Charithra"Telugu Cholas gradually came to be called as Kapus/Telagas.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.97.66.114 (talk) 16:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear 65.24.52.9, I do respect the views of the Telugu historian, Etukuru B. Murty. Durjaya clan to which Telugu Chodas belong is prevalent in many agrarian castes of Andhra. Hence, exclusive descent to Kapus is ruled out. Henceforth, please provide your Username, sign with four tildes and follw Wiki guidelines.Kumarrao (talk) 13:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that some anonymous users have been repeatedly editing the article linking caste denomination without proper evidences. Etukuru Murty is not a reliable source. Particular page in his book may be cited wherein he provided proof.Kumarrao (talk) 06:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Repeated edits with caste connotation without proper proof are deleted.Kumarrao (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

text: what do you mean? no source directly states that kinda of claims, as per WP:NOTSYNTH and WP:ORIGINAL, you can't add those unsourced content, your edits are reverted. Thank You. --Wiki KuthiVaiyans (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

text: @Wiki_KuthiVaiyans I Have already added source which clearly proves that renadu and pottapi cholas existed before velanti cholas. http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/94000/9/09_chapter%205.pdf here you go. Also https://cbkwgl.wordpress.com/2016/03/12/telugu-inscriptions-the-start/
and there are numerous books stating the same. You should get the facts that velanati cholas are only part of telugu cholas so you cannot put forward that to whole chola group of telugu cholas.
Basic fact is telugu cholas of 6th century were independent and there was no such dynasty in tamilnadu until vijayalaya. Let me know if you want ref from NCERT By LovSLif (talk) 07:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Follow "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research" WP:ORIGINAL and provide reliable sources WP:RS and the references you have provided doesn't follow WP:RS and they are WP:RSSELF really a wordpress site and unknown author pdf which doesn't state what you claim?, provide WP:RS and make your changes. --Wiki KuthiVaiyans (talk) 07:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

text: @Wiki_KuthiVaiyans,
I have already cited valid source. The sources cited in velanati cholas in its article , yes do not meet WP:RS So better we edit and retain only relevant content in all chola articles including velanati and others By LovSLif (talk) 07:22, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: TELUGU CHOLAS WERE BALIJAS(TELAGAS/KAPUS)

message: I again removed the info relate to Chola descendents. Chola lineage cuts across agrarian castes of Andhra. After their decline, the Chola/Choda got merged into various social groups including Telaga, but not exclusively. Kumarrao (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear 65.24.52.9, I do respect the views of the Telugu historian, Etukuru B. Murty. Durjaya clan to which Telugu Chodas belong is prevalent in many agrarian castes of Andhra. Hence, exclusive descent to Kapus is ruled out. Henceforth, please provide your Username, sign with four tildes and follw Wiki guidelines.Kumarrao (talk) 13:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Descendents

message: Do not mix castes with historical inscriptions. There is no evidence of what caste they are. mlpkr (talk) 05:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that some anonymous users have been repeatedly editing the article linking caste denomination without proper evidences. Etukuru Murty is not a reliable source. Particular page in his book may be cited wherein he provided proof.Kumarrao (talk) 06:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Repeated edits with caste connotation without proper proof are deleted.Kumarrao (talk) 13:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Do not mix

message: Dear Wiki_KuthiVaiyans,
Please discuss here for further clarification on the topic. 
Let me clarify the history of Telugu Cholas. Telugu cholas existed from 6th centuary to 13th centuary in and around Andhra region. 
Telugu cholas do not just confine to Velanati cholas who were feudatories of Chalukya chola kuluthonga chola. Post Gonka I , during raja rajendra of telugu cholas they again came under the vassal of chalukyas of kalyani.
Even prior to velanati cholas from vengi, there were cholas in renadu,pottapi and also nellore in later phase around 10th century. During 6th centuary neither of chola dynasty exsited in Tamilnadu and it got only revived by vijayalaya in 9th century.  Kalamalla inscription of renati cholas dated back to 575 AD depicts the fact that renati cholas were independent and later turned chieftains to  Eastern chalukyas.
So I have corrected the content. http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/94000/9/09_chapter%205.pdf is a snippet for your reference. Happy to provide more sources if required. Please let me know if any objection.
 By LovSLif (talk) 06:51, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: what do you mean? no source directly states that kinda of claims, as per WP:NOTSYNTH and WP:ORIGINAL, you can't add those unsourced content, your edits are reverted. Thank You. --Wiki KuthiVaiyans (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

text: @Wiki_KuthiVaiyans I Have already added source which clearly proves that renadu and pottapi cholas existed before velanti cholas. http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/94000/9/09_chapter%205.pdf here you go. Also https://cbkwgl.wordpress.com/2016/03/12/telugu-inscriptions-the-start/
and there are numerous books stating the same. You should get the facts that velanati cholas are only part of telugu cholas so you cannot put forward that to whole chola group of telugu cholas.
Basic fact is telugu cholas of 6th century were independent and there was no such dynasty in tamilnadu until vijayalaya. Let me know if you want ref from NCERT By LovSLif (talk) 07:07, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Follow "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research" WP:ORIGINAL and provide reliable sources WP:RS and the references you have provided doesn't follow WP:RS and they are WP:RSSELF really a wordpress site and unknown author pdf which doesn't state what you claim?, provide WP:RS and make your changes. --Wiki KuthiVaiyans (talk) 07:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

text: @Wiki_KuthiVaiyans,
I have already cited valid source. The sources cited in velanati cholas in its article , yes do not meet WP:RS So better we edit and retain only relevant content in all chola articles including velanati and others By LovSLif (talk) 07:22, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Telugu Cholas are not just Velanati cholas 

message: When citations do not exist, please desist from making fallacious claims. The overall tone and language of the article has gotta be improved. Destroyer27 (talk) 18:16, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is the digital equivalent of an arsewipe