Talk:Konstantin Chernenko

message: Mikkalai, I don't know if
:"Most of Chernenko's professional career had him signing documents. His daily tasks were dominated by time spent signing his signature. When Chernenko finally became General Secretary he was said to begin to feel like his signature was going to mean something. Ironically, when his health began deteriorating, he was no longer able to sign documents himself and so a facsimile signature was used in his place."
is factual or not, but it is at least qualified by "he was said..." It would be nice to know who said that, but that's no grounds for outright deletion of a paragraph without discussion. Everyking 02:26, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I was just going to put this into the talk as well. My reasoning:
*(1) The first sentence is not speciic to chernenko. All managers have this.
*(2) The second sentence is not a fact by any reasonable standards. 
*(3) the third sentence can be verified solely by chernenko himself: memoirs or interview. Further, it is not fact, but an opinion. Therefore putting it without attribution is clear-cut copyvio.
*(4) While I emotionally agree that the phrase 100% grasps the contribution of Chernenko as president, the form is derogatory (do you need explanations why I think so?). I myself told dozens of jokes, kind of "When Brezhnev died, Andropov, chernenko and gorbachov got together and...", but I am not going to put them into a serious encyclopedia. Mikkalai 03:11, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Ok, I can accept that reasoning, although if someone can find a source for the claim that Chernenko said something about his signature finally having meaning, I think it should be added back in some form. I think it's fine to include famous anecdotes if they are told properly. Everyking 03:24, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  By all means, you put it exactly right: if told properly. I am perfectly aware this is less than nothing compared to, say, Clinton's case, and I am not "defending" chernenko's image, only the image of wikipedia.  Mikkalai 07:51, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: A am still a Belarus citizen (abroad), and I was told Belarus still has KGB. :-) Mikkalai 23:47, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: the cyrillic transliteration of his name is wrong. what should be T is m and what should backwards N is u.
:It is correct. These are the cursive forms which are contained in the "italic" versions of Cyrillic fonts. See Cyrillic alphabet#Letter-forms_and_typography. 62.7.161.241 21:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cyrillic 

message: I restored a couple of passages that had been deleted according to WP:BLP. The first mentioned Grishin, who is dead, so the policy doesn't apply to him. The second mentions Gorbachev but does not portray him in a negative light. What, then, is the rationale for the removal? Biruitorul 05:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were probably deleted as unreferenced. I've heard about the first fact, but not about the second one. I don't care here, but you better find refs: such funny facts will attract suspicion again sooner or later. `'mikkanarxi 05:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Restored content

message: It is obvious that Chernenko was not an ethnic Russian (he was even dubbed a Chukcha in a joke), and it is therefore interesting to specify his ethnicity in this article.  --Humanophage (talk) 14:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His name suggest that (at least) his father was (partly?) ethnic Ukrainian.... — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  his father is Ukrainian , hi immigrate in Russia at the end of 19th century (look ua and ru wiki)!)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.221.120.252 (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: His ethnicity?

message: The section Brezhnev's shadow has multiple OR issues. Please make links to the sources or cleanup.--MathFacts (talk) 23:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified claims 

message: The article seems to present Chernenko as some insignificant irrespectful figure. Is this consistent with neutrality policy?--MathFacts (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality  

message: Dm.Volkogonov's books are hardly reliable sources. 46.138.68.196 (talk) 10:32, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Without specific critiques to support that, it sounds ridiculous. It's kind of like complaining on a physics article that Stephen Hawking or Richard Feynman are "hardly reliable sources". It prompts the reader to ask, "Says who? Based on what?" In this case, is it based simply on apologism or nationalism that hates Dmitri Volkogonov for being too honest? As another example, of course if you ask former members or supporters of the State Committee on the State of Emergency, they're going to tell you that anyone who supported perestroika and glasnost is by definition "hardly a reliable source", but what value does that assertion have to Wikipedia? (None, of course.) If someone says on a physics article "Stephen Hawking sucks" with no other constructive critique or support, we don't necessarily leave it there as a "valid" talk thread; it's trolling or trash suitable for talk page cleanup. That's about how this thread seems to me. — ¾-10 22:37, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volkogonov as a source 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
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message: I am rather confused why a particular source is listed for one of the parts of the article, specifically the Death and Legacy portion:
"Chernenko's illness was first acknowledged publicly on 22 February 1985 during a televised election rally in Kuibyshev Borough of northeast Moscow, where the General Secretary stood as candidate for the Supreme Soviet of the Russian SFSR, when Politburo member Viktor Grishin revealed that the General Secretary was absent in accordance with doctors' advice.[10] Two days later, in a televised scene that shocked the nation,[11] Grishin dragged the terminally ill Chernenko from his hospital bed to a ballot box to vote.[12]"
Source 11 says that it's page 72 of Volkogonov's Autopsy for an Empire.  I have the book open to that page and it's all about Lenin - not once is Chernenko mentioned.  Anyone know what's going on with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantin_Chernenko#References
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thread_title:  Source question 

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message: This Rfc is being opened to determine which image should be used in the infobox. The images up for review are as follows:
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Image A is a non-free image whose use on Wikipedia is governed by fair use. Conversely, Image B is a copyright-free image with no conditions on its usage. Emiya1980 (talk) 19:10, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed the images to links per WP:NFCCP#9. I shall terminate this RfC shortly. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

text: You don't need a full-blown thirty-day formal WP:RFC for this. WP:NFCCP#1 is clear: non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose. You have shown that there is a free equivalent, so the current image cannot stay. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rfc on Infobox Image