Talk:Naraku

message: I don't know where people got the impression that Naraku has a true form. He originated from a combination of people with opposing goals. The man sends out parts of himself to serve him, and they all hate his guts. All except the girl Kanna, who personifies emptiness. His name means Hell, and the damned soul in question (Onigumo) perceives him as a black abyss. If you don't count the prisoner, there's nothing under the masks. A quick search reveals at least two sites where people agree with me; the link http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155218 seems to work. Dan 03:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And oh yes, we never see Onigumo's face because he lost his identity during the formation of Naraku. His original face no longer exists, even in memory.
I don't know where people got the impression that Naraku has a true form. He originated from a combination of people with opposing goals.
It is quite possible that the Spider/Youkai-Human form which he appeared as in episodes 80-81 is his true/defualt form. After both InuYasha and Sesshoumaru assumed that it is (in both the Manga and the Anime), Naraku never did deny it-- in fact, he nearly agreed. Sometimes, it is almost like some people are a bit afraid to research and then assume things based on what they had researched. Or maybe Naraku's true form is whichever form he obtains after being reborn...There are so many possiblities and theories. However, people may be mistaking "true form" for "original form".
Perhaps most of these mysteries would be resolved if the Zusetsutaizen Ougikaiden official character data book were translated in English.IANS 10:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, to "assume things" would technically violate the prohibition on original research at Wikipedia. And a data book would add a new POV, nothing more and nothing less. Dan 02:30, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Although I may have misinterpreted the opening post, I'm not quite sure where the claim that the youkai of whom Naraku was composed were in conflict with one another originated from, as he never really appears to be in conflict with himself, unless one counts Onigumo's heart as part of his personality, although Naraku himself seems to disassociate Onigumo from himself. At least within the translations I have read, it hasn't really been inferred that the personality Naraku exerts is just a series of masks with nothing behind them, that his apperent goals, motivations, and intent are all just an elaborate ruse to cover the fact that he is a walking internal war. As for the statement that all his offspring hate him, the only ones to show outright animousity toward him are Kagura and Hakudoshi/Akago. Kanna, Goshinki, and Byakuya all seemed fairly loyal to him, Juromaru and Kageromaru just attacked everyone indescriminately, and Akago was a personification of Onigumo's heart, so it stands to reason that he would hate Naraku. What seems to be stated in this post, and this may just be my interpretation, is that Naraku's offspring are just the personalities of several of the original youkai who compose him that have been given new bodies that have broken off from the herd (Naraku), and where this may be there nature, I personally cannot recall this claim being confirmed, although I could be mistaken. I am not saying that this is necissarily inaccurate, I am only bringing into question whether or not this has been confirmed. Similarly, where Naraku appears to be of a single mind, if any confirmation can be made that he is in fact many different people in conflict with each other, if that is what is being proposed, can this be cited with examples from the manga? 74.67.115.126 21:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearance

message: I'd like to inquire as to why Naraku's profile lists him as being around 70 years old. Naraku was created around the time Inuyasha was sealed, ie, 50 years ago. Unless the manga/anime lasts 20 years, I don't think Naraku could be any older than maybe 52 or 53 (again, depending on how long the manga/anime lasts)., I'd like to suggest we change his age to '50+ years', Who supports this? User: Drake Clawfang, April 14 2006, 9:09 PM, EST.
:Sounds reasonable to me. I don't know how you could arrive at an age of 70 years unless you identify him with Onigumo, which probably explains it. I don't recall Naraku ever using time travel. Dan 07:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering about his age too (although it seems you all decided on this last year).  You have Naraku's age listed as 50, which is accurate in as far as his "demon" age is concerned, but would it be more accurate to list it at perhaps 75 or so which would take the age of Onigumo into account? --Brahman 05:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Age

message: The article said that Naraku's time of weakness happens once a month, like Inuyasha's. I don't think the manga or the anime ever says this. In fact, both appear to say that more than one month passed between the first sequence of story events at the castle, and the one time we see the castle barrier weaken along with Naraku. I guess you could reconcile this with the once-a-month interpretation using some ad hoc hypothesis, but let's keep it out of the article unless someone provides a citation. Dan 18:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who makes this general assumption? If you find people saying this outside Wikipedia, maybe you could get away with quoting them or citing them in the article. But WP:No original research strictly forbids adding theories that seem reasonable to you without citations from outside sources. Dan 18:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Time of weakness

message: -We know he doesn't fear Sesshomaru. Sesshomaru always going after him, but not the other way around. Naraku has manipulated and tried to kill him but never went after him.
-Moryomaru was able to hold his own against Kikyo, Inuyasha and Sesshomaru. I bet if Naraku had just let him grow super powerful with the Shikon jewel he could have easily killed of all of Naraku's enemies.
-And I doubt Kikyo would even be able to reach the Shikon jewel while its inside his impenetrable shell; and now Naraku has absorbed Moryomaru so then why does he have to reclaim his human heart to fill Kikyo with malice. He even told his heart he didn't want to come back
meaning he doesn't like his human heart, so why did he reclaim it.
-Either Rumiko Takahashi screwed up or there's something I'm missing (User:Noman953)
:The manga explains this clearly at the time, in my view. Midoriko and Kikyo had planned to destroy Naraku by purifying a shard of the Shikon jewel to such a degree that when Naraku seized it, the shard would purify him. Onigumo's heart says it can stop this from happening by bringing darkness to the shard first. In other words, Onigumo's feelings give him a completely different kind of power, one that Naraku didn't have without Onigumo despite growing in youki and physical abilities. Apples and oranges. Dan 18:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How powerful is Naraku-sama?

message: First of all I don't remember anywhere in the manga about Abi and her mom saying he's a hanyou. And the anime isn't very reliable because there are loads and loads of continuity problems in it. In the beginning of the series they claimed that Kagome, but not Inuyasha, needed the shikon jewel to pass throught the well. But later on she was able to do without it. Same goes for the second movie; which by the way was removed from the story due to continuity problems with the anime; during the Akitoki Hojo arc I believe. And by the way exactly what do Abi and her mom know about Naraku? Do they know that he's made from millions of of yokai? Do they know his history with Onigumo? Do they know how he expelled humanity from himself, etc.? I don't see exactly what makes them an authority over Naraku? 
I strongly advice you guys to watch episode 123 to get an idea of what I'm saying; Naraku says something about why absorbing humans would make him weaker. That's why his powers increased astronimically in Mount Hakurei. Naraku was always very powerful since he had so many different powers from so many different demons, not to mention how many he absorbed in 50 years but his humanity was always reducing his power. Once he go rid of it he became all powerful. I'll admit that he has the hugest shikon shard giving him strength, but he still was a lot more powerful then when he appeared with the same shikon shard after the Mount Hakurei arc. This huge jolt in power that we see at Mount Hakurei seems too concidental. Naraku has always been absorbing demons so I don't see why absorbing more could give him such a big boost. The reason is simple, its because he's full yokai now. (User:Noman953)
:Please, remain civil while discussing articles. No need to say things like "dammit". -- ReyBrujo 20:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Yōkai'' or ''han'yō''?

message: I have been wondering this for a while...Should Naraku have more than one picture, since he changes his look more than everyone else? Most main and supporting characters seem to have more than one picture in their article, ( Kikyou, Kagura and Sesshoumaru have too many, in my opinion ) and I believe that it is somewhat necessary to show  his many forms -- especially since his " appearence " is somewhat of a big issue sometimes. Also, Naraku looks somewhat different in the manga. ( more different than others ) I do not intend for this article to look like a " Fanpage " or anything like that, but I believe that it should have an image of all or some of his forms.
What does everyone else believe?  And why was the picture of Naraku's 2nd form deleted?
Peace.
--IANS 00:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pictures 

message: IANS, you keep addding inference about Kagura's motives. As I said in my edit summary, she doesn't seem to mind the first order Naraku gives her (that we know about). Then she discovers he had no problem letting her die to get information, and attacks him in anger. He responds by squeezing her heart to show his control. After that she does indeed hate taking orders from him, for obvious reasons in my view. She may count as a "traitor" or disobedient servant, if you view Naraku as her rightful lord for some reason, but Naraku betrayed his feudal obligations first if we go by any kind of "social contract" view. As for Hakudoshi, serving a child (who seemed loyal to Naraku at first) might have emphasized her slavery to someone she hated. If you think we don't have clear evidence of Naraku's sadism, surely you can see that we have no proof of the motives you give Kagura. Whereas we know she hates Naraku's control. Perhaps we could compromise and say she hates involuntary servitude or (without the euphemism) living in slavery, regardless of the master. Dan 18:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Kagura did not know that she was protected from death by Naraku's possession of her heart. Remember in episode 166, she went to see Sesshomaru again one more time before she died. Presumably not knowing that she would be revived. JRSpriggs 09:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Kagura's motives

message: I rephrased the character book stat info in a way that seems more NPOV. Someone who knows Japanese tells me those numbers in context actually refer to a morally neutral form of "spiritual" strength. Dan 04:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: character book

message: Does he really warrant being references as a Fictional Spider? He has a spider-mark and is possibly part spider, but I wouldn't say he himself is a spider. Darien Shields 00:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Spider? 

message: I believe the Appearance section should not be placed so early in the article; you don't describe what a Zebra looks like before first explaining what a Zebra is, for example. So I'm going to move this section to right before the abilities section.
Also, there are too many japanese terms used casually in the article, without even a Wiki link to explain what they mean. The article just assumes the reader will know what they mean, but that's not true for the average reader.
Finally, this article is too long. It also contains quite a bit of speculation; fan opinions should not be included in an encyclopedic article. Removing them would likely help shorten the article. -Wilfredo Martinez 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article format

message: The article needs a heavy clean-up, in particular it needs many more sources. Currently, the article is overly long and detailed, it should be re-written in a short, concise way so that presumably, someone with no knowledge of Inuyasha can look at this page and understand the character well. The plot summary as mentioned is way too long currently and needs to be drastically cut down. The attachment section should be re-written as well so that it's more of a section explaining Naraku's detachments in minor detail (large details can be reserved for their own articles) and their purposes when he created them. As well, the relationships section needs to go outright, if the plot summary is written properly then Naraku's relationships with various characters should be made clear there.
I'm a big fan of the anime and really want to see this page cleaned up, because right now, it's a mess. The Clawed One 18:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up

message: For Inuyasha Manga Scans pass episode 167, check this cool website out. Its up to date and has good references.
LINK REMOVED 
(Kelvin Martinez 03:37, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check This OUt!!! 

message: Should a picture of Naraku's appearance upon completing the Shikon Jewel be added to this article? 24.24.90.148 (talk) 19:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Completed form 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Naraku.jpg

message: As the current sections in the overview describe the major events surrounding Naraku's actions in the series, it seemed that the fight in which he is killed by Inuyasha's group ought to be seperated into its own section. Another anonymous editor had changed the title of this section to include mention of this, although the title of "The completion of the shikon jewel and the final battle" was a bit too wordy. However, given that '"Completion of the Shikon Jewel"' implies a description of the events leading up to and including the completion and subsequent absorption of the jewel, the events surrounding the main characters' last confrontation with Naraku seems as though it would work better under its own section. As for the information added in this section, although I did fail to cite sources for this, was added in a manner no different than how the overview sections have developed, with plot details added as they become available. Where the overview section may be in need of reformating, having a description of Naraku's perticular actions within more recent chapters seems to be fairly useful. It may have been more clear, however, had I filled in the edit summary. 66.24.238.22 (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit has been removed due to you inappropriate linking to copyright violating websites, which is a complete violation of Wikipedia policy. AnmaFinotera (talk) 01:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I did neglect to check the copyright of this website, although I did not intend this as deliberate act of vandalism, and I do apologize for the inconvienance. On that note, what would be a good website for citations on this perticular series, as this article does not site much of its information. 66.24.238.22 (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable sources, such as news sites (ANN, AnimeOnDVD, ICv2, etc), official sites, the books themselves (the actual published volumes), and the magazines they are published in are all great places to start. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The entire article already has beyond excessive plot summary. It needs to be compacted into a single section, or at most two. AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naraku's death 

message: Shouldn't there be a Japanese version of Naraku's page? He is a fairly significant character... Moocowsrule (talk) 09:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese version? 

message: I removed the following text from various parts of the article in an attempt to get rid of questionable claims, as well as information that seems redundant or not important to the topic.
For any creature with demon as its spirit, they would die at this point no matter how powerful. For example, Koga could not even pass the perimeter of the barrier due to the fact that he is a normal demon. Sesshomaru however was able to penetrate the barrier's perimeter and travel deeper into it but was weakened, during his battles with Suikotsu and Jakotsu. InuYasha was able to pass this final point, but his half demon blood was purified so completely that he transformed into his human form while inside the barrier. 
His powers increased dramatically as he challenged Sesshomaru and deliberately let him tear his body apart with a point-blank range yōki blast, however it had no effect and Naraku proclaimed that "I cannot die". In order to find the final Shikon shard located at the border between this world and the afterlife, Naraku made a deal with Abi, the princess of the bird demon. However, Abi and her mother, Tekkei, never did trust Naraku because he was "merely" a half demon. Both being full demons with utter contempt for half demons, Abi and Tekkei plotted against Naraku and later attacked him. Naraku kills Abi and proceeds to behead Tekkei, which creates a river of her blood producing a gateway to the world between this world and the next.
Throughout the series Naraku is always constantly absorbing demon to carry on the process of expelling the weak components of his victims and retaining the stronger ones. Thus he is able to constantly increase his strength even after the events of Mt. Hakurei, though it never increases enough to counteract InuYasha's Kongōsōha until he has absorbed Mōryōmaru and a barrier-dissolving Daiyōkai tree.
Once the Jewel is completed, Naraku will have the power to become a full youkai. This line appeared after he's already discarded and reabsorbed his human soul.
(that she was killed by Naraku with Magatsuhi's wish)
The Shikon no Tama was finally killed but not destroyed: so Kagome instead chooses to wish that the Shikon no Tama disappear forever. I kept that last part, of course, but I don't understand the part about killing the jewel.
I'm also a little confused about Magatsuhi, since I thought the name referred to the humanoid oni manifestation rather than the original composite monster. Dan (talk) 08:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed text