Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/CSI task force

message: OK, the major gap in the articles that we have are episode articles for all three shows and lists of cast members and characters for CSI:Miami and CSI:NY. I have a lot of CSI:Vegas on DVD, so I'll start writing more episode articles for it. If anyone could help with Miami and NY, especially the new series of Miami (not yet aired in the UK), could they work on the episodes and lists for the two spin-offs. For images of characters, visit Yahoo, the website used for the CSI:Vegas character list. Editus Reloaded 09:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urgent tasks 

message: The main templates are a concern for me. I've raised the issue here but this might be the best venue. Basically I think we need 4 templates - strip the current 3 of the common content (links to the franchise, comics, novels, etc.) to make a main template and then you can mix and match: All 4 on the main franchise page; the main one and the relevant one on most pages; and just the main one on some of the others (like comics and novels). That would allow maximum flexibility and reduce redundancy.
Thoughts? (Emperor 20:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I did some tidying up - we don't need 2 links to things in the same small template. Next step is to add the hide wrapper to them. (Emperor 13:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure that we need to add the hide wrapper; the templates aren't that big (compared to, say ). Editus Reloaded 15:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. We'll keep an eye on things and see how it goes. What we might want to do is make them all a standard 80% width. (Emperor 15:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: On reflection it still needs doing. It isn't just for large templates it is more when multiple templates combine. Compare Judge Dredd vs. Aliens vs Aliens versus Predator versus The Terminator. The former has two templates both of which has can be hidden, the seocnd only has one. I have requested a hide wrapper for the Terminator one but in the meantime you can see how important it is. (16:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

text: An idea for anothe row - Crossovers: "Cross Jurisdictions" "MIA/NYC NonStop" "Felony Flight"/"Manhattan Manhunt" "Cold Reveal" (Emperor 16:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not a bad idea, but perhaps only add crossovers to the shows where they are relevant, e.g. MIA/NYC NonStop appears in  and  but not in . Editus Reloaded 15:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Another idea. I was adding the template to the video games and it occured to me that it'd make sense to add the 4 CSI (Vegas) video games to the CSI (Vegas) template and the Miami game could be added to the relevant template too. Kind of makes sense with splitting the specific things off to the relevant sections. (Emperor 14:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, I'll get on it. Editus Reloaded 17:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: I've added it here and we need it spread around as much as possible. Use:  (Emperor 15:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone know why the image is displaying so small? Has there been a change in the styles of the box we are using or something? (Emperor 21:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk header

message: Most of the episodes lack links so I wanted to kickstart a discussion on appropriate links so we can target the issue. I added what I think are OK at MIA/NYC NonStop - let me know what you think. CSI Guide would also be easy to template to make things easy for everyone. Once we have more people on board we can have people go through the entries and drop in the links. It should really help beef things up on that front. Also once there is a standard as new entries get created they should all get done to the same standard. (Emperor 18:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK good. I've been tidying up a few episodes (there is a lot of over disambiguating anf the next and previous links were a mess) and I'll add links in there. Would a Template:csiguide episode be worth doing? All you need do is add te ID and name of the episode and you'd have the link. If we are going to do that I'd rather we did it now than have to go through and fix a lot of entries. I can't see CSI Files being so easy to do but if we aim for a standard 4 links (as shown in the example) and 3 of them run from templates that would be ideal. (Emperor 16:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, go for it if you think you can do it (I can't...). Editus Reloaded 17:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Damn I was hoping to delegate ;) I'll give it a shot. (Emperor 17:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I don't know enough markup to do that (see my attempt at a userbox above). You can use User:Editus Reloaded/CSI test page if you need a place to put work in progress. Editus Reloaded 17:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries I just sorted it out. It wasn't difficult and I used the TV.com episode template. You can add the link in using:  but it will also work in a trimmed down form if the page title is the one you want (i.e. not disambiguated like MIA/NYC NonStop):  I also made you a cat to put all the CSI templates in: :Category:CSI templates. Enjoy (Emperor 17:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the links and templates to the crossovers/pilot and first episodes so hopefully if someone is making a new entry they'll base it on them. I'll also look into adding them to the last episodes too just in case. Its going to be slow but hopefully if people making new entries can use that then it'll save a lot of extra work. (Emperor 19:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode links

message: It'd be handy to have a notice board for adding things in to let people know what is going on in the general area. All they need to is watch that and they can keep an eye on developments. An example: Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice Board. For example we have a lot of episodes that need creating. As they are made they could be added to the "new entries" list and then people can drop in and check them over to make sure everything is standard and working and they can add any additional infomration. That kind of thing. It can also keep a track on merges, deletions, renamings, moves and any other issues that might arise. (Emperor 14:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's kind of what "Article Updates, Creations" was for, but perhaps a separate page is the way to go. I'll try to set one up based on the example you gave, but I'm under study pressure as well, so anyone with the time and the inclination could do it too. By the way, opinions on the new userbox? Editus Reloaded 17:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notice board

message: Both your userbox and logo for the talk-page box contain fair-use images which are not allowed outwith the article namespace, please fix. Thanks, GDonato (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The font is here and is free to use. I'll knock up something now. (Emperor 18:50, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick run through: B&W and with glow (Emperor 19:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: God, this licensing stuff is a drag. To summarize: it can be used in the article namespace, but not any other namespace. Could you point me to a policy page or similar where this is explicitly stated? Editus Reloaded 17:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:FUC, what you're thinking perhaps? ;-) GDonato (talk) 17:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Criterion #9... of the cabal decree official policy. GDonato (talk) 17:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You can find discussion of such things on WP:FAIRUSE - see under unacceptable uses. So you can use the CSI screenshot as fair use on the main CSI entry but you can't then just put it on every relevant page or say a page about forensic science on TV unless it was specifically illustrating a point. I think. Something like that. It makes my head hurt ;) (Emperor 18:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, only if it is irreplaceable, used, not overused, in articlespace, legal, important, poorer than the original and for video and music not in its entirety etc, etc, etc. GDonato (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed userbox. Editus Reloaded 09:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also imagine this applies to Template:WikiProject CSI (Emperor 16:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see a problem arising here; most images relating to CSI are going to be fair use (DVD covers, promo shots, copyrighted logos) so we can't really put any images outside articlespace. If anyone stumbles across a plentiful source of free-licence CSI images, put a link in the resources section (soon to be created) on the project page. Editus Reloaded 17:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free content  

message: A number of the boxes for the CSI (video games) are being removed as non-free content due to lack of a license. See e.g.: Talk:CSI: Dark Motives, Talk:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (computer game) and Talk:CSI: Miami (computer game). This is part of a wider ongoing process to tighen up the justifications for using them and I believe adding in one is (so I'm told) fairly straightforward. If someone could sort that out it'd save the hassle of having to add them in again (when we'd only have to provide the justification) I need to go and flag similar things in other projecs. (Emperor 12:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image removal

message: Looking at List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation cast members, I think we should dump everyone who's only in one episode, if we're going to keep this at all. Otherwise these list pages are going to become obscene. Using Law and Order as a basis, they call their page "a list of major, notable, and recurring characters" on their page and I think that's the way we should go. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 14:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto Holly Gribbs ;) Natch.  Though I question Method Man. It's big for him, but does it matter to the CSI universe? Notability is such a bear! -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 14:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, he IS a recurring character (very technically recurring, 2 eps only).Editus Reloaded 15:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Was just fixing the above, query arose: do we put Teri Miller in "Recurring Characters"?. Editus Reloaded 15:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of ... cast members 

message: A Grizzly Murder was created so User:Jerzy could ask if Ed Beagly Jr was in the episode. Since no other eps from that season are written, I put the article up for deletion. There's nothing of use on the page that's worth saving anyway. If we can get back to it later, we can rewrite it properly. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 15:02, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion of this matter is in progress where it belongs, at Talk:A Grizzly Murder#"CSD" & "hangon" tags, altho perhaps WProj participants will want to discuss here the more general implications of this contrib'r's opinion. --Jerzy•t 19:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I posted this here so that people who watch this page (and not the episode) would be made aware and could step up and comment/hangon/etc as wanted. It was intended to keep the project aware of what messes I'm stirring up :) -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 19:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A Grizzly Murder

message: I've proposed a merge because it seems redundant to have both. See the discussion here (where I've put my rational). -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 15:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging List of ... cast members and List of ... characters 

message: I am trying to find images of characters to add to various CSI character articles (specifically: The Blue Paint Killer, Mandy Webster, Archie Johnson and David Hodges) and have resolved to take screenshots from DVDs, but I have encountered a technical problem. My process is this:
#I load the DVD on my PC, play the episode in Windows Media Player, then pause it at the required point
#I take a screenshot and copy it into Paint
#I resize the image, crop it to show only the screenshot (not the window and taskbar) and save it. Job done, right?
Wrong. When I save the image, or close Media Player, the image goes black. If I do neither, and press Play in Media Player, the image in Paint begins to move in synch with the version displayed on M.P. Any advice? Editus Reloaded 20:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Use VLC instead (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) - It'll let you screenshot better. -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 02:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'm going to stop short of downloading new software, last time I did that my Internet security package bared its digital teeth and removed the file. New idea: photograph the paused screen with a digital camera. This should be interesting. Editus Reloaded 09:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OH YES!! It worked! OK, so Kevin Greer's face is a bit in shadow, but then he is an evil (if fictional) serial killer, he needs to look a bit scary. Editus Reloaded 09:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Right-click Desktop > Properties > Settings Tab > Advanced > Troubleshoot Tab > Set Hardware Acceleration to None. This will enable you to take screenshots using Print Screen. Don't forget to turn the setting back after you're done taking screenshots. — Sandtiger 14:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advice needed: creating screenshots 

message: I would like to bring two points to the attention of project members:
#There is a distinct lack in episode articles; currently missing are:
##CSI: Las Vegas episodes 5.05 to 5.10, 5.14 to 5.23, most of Season Six. Many of the articles contain only summaries (The Execution of Catherine Willows for example)
##CSI: Miami, almost every episode from 1.12 onwards
##CSI: NY, every episode except for Manhattan Manhunt (2.07) and Heroes(2.23)
#Following discussion above, there is a framework for episode articles available at Wikipedia:WikiProject CSI franchise/Episode template
Given that the episodes make up the bulk of the articles under this project's purview, we really need to flesh out the existing articles and create new ones. Editus Reloaded 09:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode articles 

message: On the list of episodes it is Snow Day (CSI: NY episode) but other links point to Snow Day (CSI episode). Can we get a decision on this? I doubt the different series will have episodes with the same name. (Emperor 23:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the CSI Miami episodes are just (CSI episode): :Category:CSI: Miami episodes so if we are going to adjusting the naming we'd need to do it asap. (Emperor 01:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note CSI season 1 and 2 are being changed to (CSI) which is inline with naming conventions so we need to keep that in mind. I'd suggest sticking to (CSI) for all franchises unless there happens to be one of the same name (which is doubtful but they might do something weird one day with a triple crossover of the same name - who knows?) in which case (CSI:NY) would be OK. (Emperor 04:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming conventions

message: I am curious about this cat: :Category:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation articles - it seems like it is intended to include every CSI entry and I don't see the point (it'll be too large and too general to be of any use - people would always go to the more specialised version). I also work on a number of projects and none of them do anything like this. (Emperor 00:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say "specialised", do you mean specialised by show e.g. Cat: CSI Vegas, Cat: CSI: Miami and Cat: CSI:NY, by theme e.g. CSI characters, CSI episodes or some combination of the two? Editus Reloaded 07:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. All the entries are already sorted into a specific category which is helpful for people looking for other similar entries. Lumping everything into a catch-all category doesn't seem to serve any purpose and is less helpful and not as easy to use. (Emperor 13:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles cat

message: CSI: London Do we really need this at the moment? (Emperor 19:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No we don't -- Ipstenu (talk • contribs) 20:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: CSI: London

message: Random clicking took me to Hell on Earth 2006 and I note they use the optional episode list template and it looks good and has the potential to be useful. If people are interested I could throw together an example for us to look at to see if it works. (Emperor 16:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, looks more useful. I saw something similar at Yankee White (NCIS). Editus Reloaded 16:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Make that Hung Out to Dry (NCIS). I'm knocking up an example here, but I'm off on holiday next week so you might want to change/delete/steal bits. Editus Reloaded 16:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK cool - I'll have a crack at that. (Emperor 17:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Have a look and see what you think. (Emperor 18:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll put the template into Pilot to see how it fits in with the rest of the article, layout-wise; if it doesn't chuck paragraphs and stuff all over the place, we can leave it in as I can't see this being a controversial change. Editus Reloaded 18:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK cool. If everything looks OK and the formatting is fine I'll rollout the others. (Emperor 18:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just put it in and it looks fine, so could you start putting the new infobox in across seasons 1 and 2 (using the episode list templates from the project page) while I get on with the *fun* of creating the rest of the lists for CSI:Vegas. Editus Reloaded 18:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Righto. (Emperor 18:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seasons 1 and 2 done - anymore and my brain would turn to jelly ;) (Emperor 19:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode list templte

message: Ok, people tonight i've worked a lot in these article so as to have at least one descent character article (within the project) from which it's possible to template the others. I would like other people to revise it, and maybe later get it nominated to a good article status.
By the way, how come we haven't made CSI worthy of being nominated for a good article?? The people of 24 are beating us, even Lost has a better article.
Let's make CSI featured article by the end of the month
COME ONNNN who's with me?
--Yamanbaiia 01:14, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree in principle, but bear in mind we are NOT in competition with other TV show projects/task forces. Though you can think of it in that way if it helps you get motivated. Personally, I can't see why CSI is not a perfectly reasonable GA candidate. Editus Reloaded 18:38, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominated CSI:Crime Scene Investigation for GA. I think I'm impartial enough, as I have made minimal edits to the article, but to head off accusations of self-promotion, perhaps a quick task for someone new to the project would be to review it for GA status and either pass or fail it? That would expedite the process without anyone who contributed heavily acting as their own judge. Editus Reloaded 17:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: HAHA! i was just kidding! of course it's not a competition, although it does bother me that Smallville has a featured article!!  :p ...anyway, i haven't been editing for long, although i did a lot in many CSI's articles, i'll review itYamanbaiia 20:04, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Just a quick note to say the good work being done on the Gil Grissom article has got it close to GA status. It'd be handy if any other members could stop in and give their thoughts. (Emperor 02:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Gil Grissom]]

message: A few issues have emerged and it'd need some input - I have thrown some thoughts onto the talk page. (Emperor 23:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Leapin Lizards

message: I'm just a Wikipedia reader but I was reading through some CSI episode summaries and they seem directly lifted (cut and pasted) from those at TV.COM. I would think that most of the content of the series pages would be written by fans and would be original material. Or perhaps the same person is writing summaries for both websites. Suspicious summaries are those that are just about a paragraph long, 3-6 sentences, and which provide no conclusion to the plot (TV.com discourages spoilers).Nwjerseyliz 01:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you point some out? I've done a few (longer ones) and have been through most of the entries but I suppose I wasn't looking out for such suspicious activity (one concern was over long plot summaries). If it is too close for comfort we need to move on this quickly and sort it out asap, so thanks for bringing this up. (Emperor 02:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Summaries 

message: Sara Sidle made it and Grissom is close. It might need the input of the project to just push it over the line. See Talk:Gil Grissom for details of what needs doing. (Emperor 02:41, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grisson for GA

message: *spoiler* This episode has a lot of GA potential due to the fact that it's Sara Sidle's last episode (see some reviews, news here; many more can easily be found with google). I can't however found any info for a "production" section, anyway, just wanted to let you guys know. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up (''[[Goodbye and Good Luck (CSI episode)|Goodbye and Good Luck]]'') 

message: Think they are noteworthy enough now to include pages on them?
Rome Leader 20:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who? -- Editus Reloaded (talk) 20:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Editus lives in the UK, where yesterday's episode (Goodbye and Good Luck (CSI episode)) hasn't aired yet. And yes, i think that if Holly Gribbs and Lady Heather have their articles, this two should too. --- Yamanbaiia (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Well yeah, but not everyone remembers all the bad guys names... i think they should have one article (the west brothers maybe?) and then redirects from Hannah West and another one from Marlon West.  --- Yamanbaiia (talk) 21:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That makes two crazy fans, i don't even live in north America and i've already seen the episode... I like yours better "West Siblings", "the West brothers" sounds like a country band. Do you want to do the honors or shall i? -Yamanbaiia (talk) 01:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: right, forgot about that. 8) -Yamanbaiia (talk) 18:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hannah/Marlon West Page??? 

message: Hello, I wanted to give your project a heads up that all the individual season one episode summaries for CSI: Crime Scene Investigation have been proposed for deletion per WP:NOT#PLOT since every article is simply a synopsis of the episode along with some trivia (which violates WP:TRIVIA). The relevant discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pilot (CSI). I am waiting for the outcome to see what the consenses is for the rest of the seasons. If anyone would like to expand any of these articles for notability, I would happily withdraw the nomination for that episode. -- Redfarmer (talk) 22:41, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Episode Articles 

message: I'll post this here, just in case people don't regularly check the template talk page. I recently removed Sofia Curtis from the Characters list, as she is no longer a main cast member. This begs the question, what do we do about Sara Sidle? Jorja Fox was on the show for 8 years, so is that major enough to warrant a permanent place on the template? I think yes, which is not mutually exclusive to removing Sofia Curtis because Lombard was only in the main character list for 2-3 seasons, and so is not a major character with reference to the show's overarching continuity.
Put it another way, if Grissom was killed off next season would we keep him on the template? Editus Reloaded (talk) 20:56, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, i agree with everything. Maybe someone will propose adding them to a "past main character" section, but i don't think it's necessary yet, they have only been away for 3 months or so.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 21:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...a "past main characters" line seems like retroactive engineering to me - providing a solution to a problem that should never have existed in the first place. Two people agreeing is a consensus of sorts and no one has posted any oppo here, but is there anything at WP:TV on the subject of characters who are "dead or done"? Editus Reloaded (talk) 16:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template: CSI Crime Scene Investigation 

message: I've already removed from the List of CSI:Crime_Scene Investigation episodes invented titles for new CSI episodes twice in a week, someone went as far as inventing a year's worth of titles (see). Someones also edited Bull (CSI) with the full plot of "next week's episode" (see) As far as i know the writer's strike is still on, and no more episodes have been filmed because they have not been written, therefore no plot nor titles exist. We should keep an eye on this, i already saw that year long episode list on a CSI forum.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 21:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faux titles 

message: Hey just to give everyone a heads up, the user Travellingcari is proding various CSI:NY articles for deletion based on very sketchy reasons. I contested both prods I found on the talk page. His reasons:
On Minor characters in CSI: NY‎: 1) this is no different to List of CSI: NY characters, with significant overlap 2) several of the characters here, espec0ially Adam Ross and Sid Hammerback have their own pages, and this is duplication. Many of those remaining could be covered easily in CSI:NY. (Sounds like he should be using merge proposal instead of a prod. Gives no reason why to simply delete the page and loose information about characters not given elsewhere.0
On Stella Bonasera: No real means of writing it out of universe style and there is little substance apart from the episode by episode recount of her actions. Anything pre Season 4 is not sourceable due to the changes on the show's official site. Any crucial information on the character of Stella can be mentioned in the main article, namely that she's Mac's second in command and that her career started in Brooklyn North. (He gives no real reason why he thinks the article cannot be sourced out of universe and I pointed out that it is very possible since Gil Grissom is currently a good article. He also says on the discussion page he thinks, if his prod of this page is successful, he intends to prod every individual character page for CSI:NY for the same reason, which is getting out of hand.)
Just thought I'd give you a heads up on this guy so you can keep on eye on them. If they take this to AfD, I intend to fight it all the way as what he is complaining about is cleanup issues, not reasons for deletion. Redfarmer (talk) 16:05, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He tagged Donald Flack Jr. too. Redfarmer (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prods on [[CSI:NY]] articles 

message: Someone needs to set up an article for the Season 1 episode "$35K O.B.O.". It is the only CSI episode article that just redirects to the episode list in the season's article.--Ifrit (talk) 10:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[$35K O.B.O.]] 

message: Just to tell you that two articles of this wikiproject have been nominated for deletion; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Blue Paint Killer and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Miniature Killer LizzieHarrison 15:27, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These AFDs were both rejected, but they are in critical need of improvement.Editus Reloaded (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfDs:  

message: It's been a year since Editus Reloaded created the project, and I think it's time for a new layout. See Wikipedia:WikiProject CSI franchise/sandbox, the left panel and the right panel. Feel free to change the colour scheme and order of things. By the way, almost EVERYTHING needs an update.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 14:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the general idea on the sandbox, but I think that long lists (such as participant lists and the list of season list templates) should have a show/hide option, in order to reduce clutter on the page and create a more compact layout. Thoughts? Editus Reloaded (talk) 22:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it still needs some cleanup but I had a party to go to. I like your idea of nesting some things, feel free to do it yourself.--Yamanbaiia(free hugs!) 23:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NEW LAYOUT 

message: How about instead of just using yellow on everyone's infobox, we use different colo(u)rs depending on the series (for example the stargate infobox does it by the persons race) that they star in, and if we wanted to we could break it down to say a different shade if the person is deceased or if they have left the show (for example the actor one uses yellow if they are alive and silver they are dead.). Here are some sample colo(u)rs I have randomly come up. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 03:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox Colours 

message: I (Shreder 02) lost my password, and can't figure it out, so should I change my former entry on the project page from Shreder 02 to my new username?
Some Semi-Random Dude (talk) 23:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whoops 

message: Dear WikiProject CSI franchise participants...WikiProject Media franchises needs some help from other projects which are similar. Media franchises' scope deals primarily with the coordination of articles within the hundreds if not thousands of media franchises which exist. Sometimes a franchise might just need color coordination of the various templates used; it could mean creating an article for the franchise as a jump off point for the children of it; or the creation of a new templating system for media franchise articles. The project primarily focuses on multimedia franchises. It would be great if some of this project's participants would come over and help the project get back on solid footing. Also, if you know of similar projects which have not received this, let  know. Please come and take a look at the project and see if you wish to lend a hand. You can sign up here if you wish. Thank you. LA  @ 05:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Media franchises 

message: Dear WikiProject CSI franchise participants...WikiProject Media franchises is currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in your project, we would like to get the opinions of all related projects before implimenting any sweeping changes. Please come and help us decide. Thanks! LA (T) @ 22:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Franchise naming convention discussion at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Media franchises|WikiProject Media franchises]]

message: Up for discussion:
*Paul Millander
Also these have been redirected:
*Kyle Harmon, on the basis of an AfD
*Sam Braun, on the precedent of the above - which is a little iffy, it should probably be discussed on its own
*Kristy Hopkins, ditto
*Ellie Rebecca Brass, ditto
*Teri Miller, ditto
*Lindsey Willows , ditto
The same user has tagged other minor CSI characters as problematic, see Special:Contributions/Redfarmer. If you can address the issues, if we can't then there might be call for a broad merge discussion, following WP:WAF.
Just an FYI. (Emperor (talk) 03:07, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of redirecting them to other character pages, we should be redirecting them to a "over-view" page (eg: The Bill's attempt) for the less notables instead of just redirecting them to another person, for example not all people may notice that Kyle Harmon is H's son at first glace. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 04:52, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfDs and deletions 

message: Around a month ago, I compiled a list of episode articles below 3,072 bytes, as potential targets for merging into episode lists or the like, based on the assumption that they would fail to stand on their own were they to go to AFD. A lot of them are from the CSI franchise (at least half), so I'm posting here to get a few opinions on what should be done about the episodes, before doing anything unilateral. Relevant wikilinks: WP:N, WP:NOT#PLOT, WP:WAF. Thanks, Sceptre (talk) 11:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode articles. 

message: I admit, I am a picky bitch sometimes....but I am getting really tired of the people who are speculating about Lindsay's baby and changing her last name to Messer every two days. Also, only on the Lindsay/Danny pages - episode synopses are being posted that are almost directly cribbed from the CSI Files website. I would like to see all the CSI pages semi-protected from new and anonymous users, but I know that will not happen (my own personal gripe and I won't get on my soapbox about it here). 
Would it be possible to semi-protect the Lindsay Monroe and Danny Messer pages for a period of 2 to 4 weeks from new and anon users? I think this might be long enough to get many of these people to give up on turning these pages into a soap opera and borderline fan fiction of late. Warning doesn't work - a new name or ip address just shows up two days later. 
The only thing that hasn't been done to the Lindsay page is a name for the baby. Watch, as I write this, somebody probably is out there typing "Lindsay and Danny's daughter will be named Danniella Stella MacKenna Monroe-Messer". Pardon my sarcasm. Anyway, the season will be over relatively soon and much of the problem should go away after that unless CSI:NY ends the season with a big cliffhanger involving Lindsay in some sort of peril with her pregnancy or something else happens to her in Montana. 
I simply want Wikipedia in general to be a good source of information and not so much of the crap I have been seeing lately, especially due to speculative posts from people who think CSI:NY is only about two supporting cast members. I'll shut up now, but look forward to replies. Bloo (talk) 04:47, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CSI: NY - Lindsay Monroe and Danny Messer 

message: I am a big CSI fan/adict. I would like to join this group.
Thanks for taking me into consideration!
Dockofusa (talk) 21:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do I join? 

message: This is an abandoned project but I'll post this here anyway I go to start Redirecting any episode that is nothing more then a simple plot summary with no other information. Ridernyc (talk) 01:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirecting

message: I'm not sure how many people monitor WP:MOSTV or even WP:TV (the basic WikiProject for all of us), but we've been trying to get some feedback on additions to the TV Manual of Style. It largely has to do with the inclusion of "Overview" tables at the start of the page, the order in which season lists are presented (currently, there is no concrete order), and what is considered too much info for DVDs (i.e. should we be placing every detail about the box set in the article, from each interview to the aspect ratio, or should be keep it more generalized). Please see discussion at WT:MOSTV#Updates to the MOS. Thank you.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 22:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates to TV#MOS 

message: This is a little complicated to explain, but an editor has redirected most CSI articles as non-notable without establishing consensus and then nominated Template:CSI season 1 episode list, Template:CSI season 2 episode list, Template:CSI season 3 episode list, etc. for deletion using the fact that they link to redirects as rationale. Also, :Category:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation episodes has been nominated for speedy after the nom removed it from articles and templates by redirecting the articles (see above) and simply removing it from the templates s/he nominated for deletion. I'm opposing the template deletions. I don't know whether the articles formerly in the templates are notable, but that should be decided by consensus before they're redirected and their templates are nominated for deletion on that rationale. The TfDs (there are several) can be found in Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_September_17 --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 15:45, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfDs 

message: Template:CSI season 1 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 1 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 2 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 2 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 3 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 3 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 4 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 4 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 5 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 5 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 6 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 6 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 7 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 7 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 8 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 8 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 9 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 9 episode list]] 

message: Template:CSI season 10 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:CSI season 10 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 1 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 1 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 2 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 2 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 3 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 3 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 4 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 4 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 5 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 5 episode list]] 

message: Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 6 episode list has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 00:50, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion|Nomination for deletion]] of [[Template:Infobox CSI: NY season 6 episode list]] 

message: New article, created, at Larry Detwiler. Additional assistance in research would be appreciated, feel free to help out at the article's talk page. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article: Larry Detwiler 

message: I have noticed that episode pages range in content. It's been at least 18 months since this was last raised on this page and apparently not much has been done since. Many of these do not seem notable as they are two sentence plot summaries and basic credits which can be found in this article itself and/or the season pages. Tagging the poorer ones (including ones with just longer summaries and guest stars) with notability and eventually AfD seems like a good idea. Such has been done with List of CSI: NY episodes and List of CSI: Miami episodes, while only a handful over there are actually wikilinked. Redirecting to season pages is a viable option. Socby19 (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In trying to search the past for the same issue, I've come across a few instances where redirects (which I've done for Season 1 episodes) are undone because 'notability has not been determined by the community'. The problem I have with that is that redirects have been done more than once for the same reasons, and nobody (as far as I know) has taken an offensive stance toward it, only neutral. For those who say that a decsion has never been determined, see here. A constructive, collaborative consensus is unlikely to be made in the future (in a short time frame, anyway) and anybody wants to change an article for the better, they can undo a redirect and actually increase the quality of the it. Socby19 (talk) 03:42, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am new to Wikipedia, I always read but never contribute. I just registered to leave this note here. I really like CSI and I was watching a few old episodes and reading the Wikipedia entries because they had cool information that I could not find anywhere else (for instance, what Grissom said in sign language in Episode The sounds of silence). One day the entries disappeared. It is a shame that the work was erased. I'm not going to read the zillion pages of CSIProject and Discussions, I'm just disappointed at the deletions. I think they should stay, some people still read them. Ronie_arg (talk) 04:06, 02 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Thing is, it should be possible to go some way to proving notability on most episode articles as they are often some of the highest rated shows on at that time and so also get reviews in newspapers, as well as provoking controversy. See for example "King Baby", most of which came from research I did on the Jerry Stahl article. However, even that was redirected a while ago and if someone is going to come through doing blanket redirects like that (without apparently checking to see what the sourcing situation is) then there is no real incentive to push on with the extra work and it is something that will start to come to fruition in the medium term. After all the group here had been focused on getting episode coverage and then the next step would be to flesh things out. If we could, for example, find usable viewing figures, then that'd be a start. It may be, that we do need to redirect those articles that are obviously failing and we can't find useful sources for them - someone could easily sandbox it and work on it there, bringing the article back when they can demonstrate notability. However, redirect one episode shouldn't be seen as carte blanche to redirect them all, as some (like "Grave Danger") are clearly notable, so this needs doing on a case-by-case basis checking to see what sources are available. (Emperor (talk) 01:26, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And all redirects should be properly categorised too. (Emperor (talk) 01:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of CSI: Episode Articles 

message: Hey all, I just went through a bunch of episodes from season 8 and deleted plots that were blatant copyright violations (taken from the episode guide at CBS's CSI site).  In most cases I was able to restore to an earlier version of the plot, though not in all cases.  A couple of the ones I looked at appeared OK but the whole thing was getting tiresome so I might not have looked closely enough.  Anyway, here are the ones I checked and edited; I strongly recommend other editors double-check my work and maybe fill out more of the plots.
* Dead Doll
* The Chick Chop Flick Shop
* The Case of the Cross-Dressing Carp
* Go to Hell (CSI)
* Cockroaches (CSI)
* Bull (CSI)
* Lying Down With Dogs
* Goodbye and Good Luck (CSI)
These are the ones I looked at that I think are OK but should be vetted by someone else:
* You Kill Me (CSI)
* Who and What
* A La Cart ‎
I found all these episodes after noticing one copyvio that editor Green Pirate had done and then went through and checked all their other edits.  I did not look at any other episodes from season 8 (or any other season for that matter) so someone will probably want to look at those as well. SQGibbon (talk) 08:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Update. I found some more energy and went through the rest of season 8 and they seem fine. I have no idea about any other seasons though. SQGibbon (talk) 18:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 8 copyright violations in the plot section 

message: An editor, Jane Rizzoli, has made many changes to these three pages: "List of CSI: Crime Scene Investigation characters", "List of CSI: Miami characters", and "List of CSI: NY characters". I don't like those changes and have started a discussion on the "Talk:List of CSI: NY characters" page. If anyone likes or dislikes the new look please comment on that page. If no one comments, her new look will probably prevail. I won't like it, but I'll go along with the consensus. Jaguar766 (talk) 23:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New look for List of characters pages 

message: User JDDJS (talk) has converted the vast majority of CSI episode articles for season four and five to redirects example with the comment "(#REDIRECT CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (season 5) not a notable episode)". The discussion on WikiProject CSI franchise in May suggested that this was not what the community wanted. Scillystuff (talk) 13:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of CSI: Episode Articles 

message: It has been suggested that WikiProject CSI franchise be merged into WikiProject Television as a task force since the project might be inactive or semi-active. After reviewing this project that it appears that there have not been any active discussion on the talk page in some time and the only content updates appear to be simple maintenance so being supported by a larger project might be beneficial. If you have questions or comments, please let us know. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 08:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been 6 days without discussion, any comments? JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 09:44, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's almost a year, since I am going to convert into a task force since there is no objections. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions) 05:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger of this project into WikiProject Television as a task force 

message: Please come to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Television#Series overview tables and the like to discuss the implementation of these tables in television articles, from main articles to List of Episode pages.   BIGNOLE   (Contact me) 19:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series overview tables 

message: Hi all,
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thread_title:  Leaflet for Wikiproject CSI Franchise at Wikimania 2014 

message: Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on the WikiProject X proposal 

message: This is a notice about :Category:CSI franchise articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 06:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert attention 

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thread_title:  A new newsletter directory is out! 

message: I invite editors to join the discussion at WP:WikiProject Television to convert many inactive WikiProjects into taskforces, including this one. – sgeureka t•c 12:54, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turn this WikiProject into a Taskforce? 

message: :Category:CSI franchise articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:CSI franchise articles needing expert attention]] has been nominated for discussion

message: I invite editors to join the discussion at WP:WikiProject Television to close inactive task forces, including this one. Gonnym (talk) 12:08, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closing inactive task forces