Talk:Chador

message: Could we get a less mime-like image perhaps? Sherurcij 06:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: and a long overcoat (jilbab or manteau) became compulsory for total coverage.
The jilbab is worn over the chador? AxelBoldt 22:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Korshid, what you say sounds reasonable. In such a large country as Iran, there must be (and must have been) many different styles of hijab. The problem is finding reliable sources of information. I think I've done what I can in English! There are probably more sources in Persian. What we need is a better history of Iranian women's clothing, of hijab, and PICTURES, more pictures. Old ones and new ones. Can you work on this? Do you know anyone who can? Zora 03:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More work on article 

message: While it's fine to have a more modern picture of a chador, it wasn't necessary to remove the older one. I moved the older picture to the history section. 
I also restored the quote from Plutarch. One editor took extreme umbrage at Plutarch's description of the Achaemenids as barbarous -- thereby showing a scanty knowledge of classical history and the English language. The Greeks, like many other groups, considered all non-Greeks to be uncivilized -- they didn't speak properly, in Greek, but spoke languages that sounded like "bar bar" to the supercilious Greeks. Hence "barbarians." The term "barbarian" was adopted by the Romans and from Latin, made its way into English. The Greeks, of course, would have considered the English just another kind of barbarian. The meaning has changed over time. It has always been pejorative, but now it is different sort of pejorative. 
We have the quote from Plutarch because, strange as it may seem, much of what we know about the Achaemenids is from Greek sources. Very very few Achaemenid texts have survived. The Greeks, however, having fought and eventually destroyed the Achaemenids, were intensely interested in them, and much of their writing has survived. Throwing out evidence because you don't like the wording used by a Greek historian of 2000 years ago is bizarre. It is very clear that this is Plutarch's statement, and not WP's belief that the Achaemenids were barbarians. It is very relevant to the topic, which is the segregation of the women of the anderun behind walls or veils. Zora 06:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I hate that picture. :) Its an illustration and a wrong showing of Qajar style veil. Its like a bizarre caricature of the real thing. I suggest to remove as soon as a true photo can be found because in a way this is POV. Khorshid 09:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I suggest we wait until we can find fair quality photos. :) I tried to find a source for the history showing differences between styles but so far I havent seen anything. There is tho a history preservation website from the Iranian government that has a ton of photos so if I can find that link there is a good chance we can get some good public domain images there. The last time I saw it it was mostly just pictures of Shah and ppl from his government so I dont know if they have anything older. Khorshid 09:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I have no objections but your right. Its not too clear. BTW is the Qajar chador really chador or is more proper as simply "veil"? The book calls it a chador? Khorshid 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of old picture, Plutarch quote 

message: The history section seems to be more about history of veiling in Iran rather than chador, perhaps that should be sub-sectioned to highlight this? Regards, --Rayis 10:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: if you have seen news from Iraq, you can see that many Iraqi women also wear a black veil that only shows their face and hands, isn´t that chador???Lithop 22:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chador is not exclusive of Iranian women? 

message: Can someone knowledgeable make a stub or redirect for buibui? It's possibly the same garment? See . Stevage 05:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buibui 

message: This edit urgently needs evaluation. It introduced a pro-Islamist and anti-Shah POV not previously present in the article, and not supported by the quotes cited. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV problems 

message: Older revisions of the article have a picture  - are people here saying Wikimedia Commons doesn't have one picture of a woman really wearing a bona fide chador?  I'm not qualified to assess the precise fashion details myself, but that seems very unlikely. Wnt (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened here? 

message: About my recent edits:
* Quote from Plutarch is removed because it's irrelevant by all means. It's quoted from Briant's History of Persian Empire (p. 284.) which doesn't deal with clothing but about existance of concubines and harems. Author is very doubtful about Greek sources (beside it, Plutarch lived 400 years after described period) and reject claims of segregation, but even if it's true it has nothing to do with clothing, only perhaps purdah.
* Islam-related categories, portals and similar doesn't belong here. Both historically and geographically, chador belongs to both pre-Islamic and Islamic periods and only to Iranian World.
* Claims like "There is no pictorial evidence for the chador before Islamic times" or "there's evidence for veiling but not chador" are nonsense. Reliable sources as Iranica show both pictorial evidence from Achaemenid period  descibed as chador , and references about chadors in Ancient Zoroastrian Pahlavi texts (6th century) . Any further babbling about "mullahs", "pro-Islamist" and "anti-Shah" edits is ridiculous. Irony in all story is that older Pahlavi has banned garments dated from Achaemenids (even worn by ancient shahs) for the purpose of "invoking glorious ancient identity". More irony can be see from above because such charlatan claims (about "Islamic/Arabic" chador) even today comes from self-represented "modern" and "educated" Iranians who actually have no clue about own history and culture. --HistorNE (talk) 11:21, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More updating 

message: that pic is not Chador , it is Arabian Chador (i mean Abaa).so i change it.Sonia Sevilla (talk) 14:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  pic of young girl of Ahwaz 

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