Talk:John E. Sweeney

message: In case the Post-Star link (which seemed available only via Google cache) vanishes, I want to post the information here: John Broughton 22:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lobbyist contributions 

message: I removed the following from the campaign article, because it clearly doesn't belong there.  Other stuff I removed from that article HAS been added to this one.  I'm not adding the stuff below because I'm not sure it's really that newsworthy; I note it hear for future reference and possible discussion.  John Broughton 01:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information removed from campaign article

message: I removed the following text from the article, which comments on Sweeney's college degree: (however, the prolific programmer found his biography contradicts this)
This comment should have posted to this page (talk/discussion), not put into the article.  Now that I've moved it here, my analysis:
*Sweeney's biography say that Sweeney graduated from that Russell Sage College.  What "prolific programmer" found was that the [home page of Russell Sage College], which he links to, shows only women. So there seems a contradiction.
*Click on the "About Sage" link, and the page says: The Sage Colleges is an independent private institution of higher education comprised of three colleges: Russell Sage College, a comprehensive, undergraduate college for women in Troy, NY; Sage College of Albany, a co-educational undergraduate college of applied studies in Albany, NY; and Sage Graduate School, operating on both campuses and offering applied master’s and doctoral degrees.
*And what the wikipedia article says is that Sweeney graduated from Sage College of Albany.  Follow that wikilink, and you find 941 students are enrolled at the college, and it shares 160 faculty members with Russell Sage College. 74% of the student body is female.  
*So Sweeney's biography (on his campaign website) seems to be wrong - he presumably graduated from the Sage Colleges (the collection of three colleges), not the Russell Sage College - the one that is all-women. But that's his problem, not wikipedia's.  John Broughton 20:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless, this still should be noted somewhere public -- ie the wikipedia entry. HasanDiwan 23:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're saying that something pretty close to a typo on a campaign bio should be in a wikipedia article?  (It's a typo, not a deliberate distortion, as far as I know.)  Why would a minor mistake be something noteworthy enough to go into a wikipedia article?   John Broughton 08:26, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who died and made you be-all end-all of the wikipedia biography on Mr Sweeney? He lied about where he went to school. At my employer, a "typo" like this would earn me a dismissal. It bloody well should be visible. HasanDiwan 21:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  College degree 

message: Here's the report.  Another story in NY Daily News (via Talking Points Memo). Billbrock 04:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic incident 

message: The article as of today is laughably unbalanced. Sweeney's career and accomplishments are given a perfunctory treatment, with a listless reeling off of data. However, this is dwarfed by a much bigger section detailing every minutiae of trouble that subject ever got himself into. It is an example of Wikipedia at its worst – tabloidism and lurid detail at the expense of a sober presentation of the most important information. Accordingly I placed an "unbalanced" tag at the top. Do not remove the tag before the article has improved substantially. --Goodmorningworld (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree, even though I placed some of that information in the article. Does anyone have information about his accomplishments? Bearian (talk) 14:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To improve the article, you could start by setting a target – a third, a half – by which to reduce the size of the controversies section. There is no universe in which mindless, idiotic chitchat like "uh, Beavis, how about that time he didn't pay the cab driver," - "yeah Butthead, but his brother later went and paid him, huh, huh huh" is appropriate content for an encyclopedia.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't have said it better myself.  I've, over the years, come to grips that basically everything on Wiki is just a giant tabloid magazine usually edited by people who have no idea what they're talking about and use poor cites as excuses for 'valid' information (I can't tell you how many times I've seen People magazine as a source, no joke).  Then people like you and I go to edit it with corrected information and end up getting banned for edit wars- give me a break.  Case in point with this article is the extreme anti-Sweeney stuff covered more than the pro-Sweeney agenda, as if the guy accomplished nothing in 8 years.  I may not have voted for him; but let's face it- facts are facts.  I even had to edit North Mariana Islands to Northern Mariana Islands because some idiot actually thought the former was the real name.  SOme colleges even BANNED the Wikipedia domain from their networks in an effort to get students to use better sources of information.  So long as there are fools not doing their homework, Wikipedia will continue to fail.207.172.166.181 (talk) 05:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance 

message: I changed the title and header, and corresponding text, to 'Northern Mariana Islands' since the original author had the INCORRECT spelling of 'North Mariana Islands.'  Get your facts right before editing.65.215.94.13 (talk) 16:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trip to Northern Mariana Islands 

message: It seems that all of the news reports from the Albany Times-Union are 404-not-found.  This is probably due to a restructuring of their website?  I'm not likely to have time today to fix this, so I thought I'd call attention to it here.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:33, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many of the sources are 404-not-found 

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