Talk:Sophie Scholl

message: I'd like to add a clarification here to my recent deletion of a photo of 'Sophie Scholl' being 'strip searched by the Gestapo'. It is in fact a pirated photo taken from the film, Sophie Scholl - The Last Days. It can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baRvF6ZBK18 at around, 30:13. I don't quite know how to delete the entire photo itself from Wikipedia. I've not been editing for a while.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poppy Higgins (talk • contribs) 13:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: The Last Days

message: Can info from the movie be assumed to be correct? Including the times of trial & beheading among other facts?
--211.28.198.238 08:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The last days

message: Did Sophie ever keep any diaries or other personal writings that we can use to understand her and her beliefs in more depth?202.138.16.180 11:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inge Jens (ed.), At the Heart of the White Rose: Letters and Diaries of Hans and Sophie Scholl, HarperCollins 1987. --91.34.14.124 16:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diaries?

message: ...looks like it came straight off of Babelfish.  I can't even be sure of what it was supposed to be saying.  Any ideas?  It might something like "Allied planes dropped more leaflets later in the war, but it was too late", but I'm not sure.  --TexasDex 19:18, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it was bizarre, and I couldn't find that it corresponded to anything in the de article to see if I could translate better.  If I overlooked it and someone can find it, no biggie, but I couldn't make much sense in the context of the rest of the article.  --Easter Monkey 08:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What happened was, later in the war, the pamphlets that die Weisse Rose wrote were sent to the allies, who dropped millions of copies all over Germany. This helped with anti-nazi sentiment. NapalmChipmunk 18:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: That last paragraph

message: In the movie and on several websites, there is mention of her having been trained as a nurse.  Can this be confirmed?  If so, it should surely be listed as part of her education.  This would have impacted (as the movie implies) on her attitudes towards the murder of the mentally disabled children. Kmasters0 (talk) 16:19, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: @Kmasters0, Sophie Scholl trained as a kindergarten teacher, and studied biology and philosophy at the Ludwig Maximilian University. as far as I know, she never trained as a nurse. Her mother was a nurse, and that was where she learned of the killing of disabled children (see Inge Scholl, The White Rose, Page 38.)  Weissepedia (talk) 04:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Training as a nurse

message: I was interested in reading the section about Fraulein Scholl's psychology.  Does anyone know if a psychologist has detected her Myer-Brigg type?  I understand that this can be done with some degree of certainty posthumously.  I am just wondering because I suspect she would be an INFP ("idealist" or "monastic/crusader") but that is purely a guess. 202.138.16.82 01:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Psychology

message: Is Die letzten Tage a reliable source for her last words, or was that a dramatisation?  I thought her last words were documented as (paraphrased) "your heads will also fall".  In addition, isn't the profound Christian belief write-up slightly POV? Chris 11:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last words

message: Are there any charities or trusts set up in Sophie's memory.  I was hoping to find information on this page and the White Rose page but they do not say.  If there was such an institution, I would like to help in some way, for Sophie's sake.
: (German) --91.34.15.92 20:51, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Charities?

message: What is this supposed to mean: 
 
"The subject of her essay was 'The Hand that Moved the Cradle, Moved the World.' She hated children. This was not the case though and in the spring of 1941, she began a six month stint in the auxiliary war service as a nursery teacher in Blumberg. " 
It doesn't really make sense to me, can anyone explain?
Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.133.8.161 (talk) 14:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am a little bit confused 

message: William Shirer wrote that the torture she suffered was so severe, that she came before the court with a broken leg.  Also, on the new movie website, there is a mugshot from her took from the side, in which it seems that her teeth were broken.  Does anyone has information about if she really was tortured, maltreated or abused during interrogation?  Thanks.  201.19.179.107 16:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No relevant source in German says that she was tortured. Her leg was definitely not broken. Moreover, the Gestapo officer who interrogated Sophie Scholl, Robert Mohr, was in a wy sympathetic towards her. He wanted her to testify that she had only taken part in resistance activities on behalf of her brother, which she refused, claiming responsibility for having resisted the Nazi regime.  87.169.34.188 10:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Little was known about Robert Mohr before the historians affiliated to the film team of Sophie Scholl: The Last Days started their research. Mohr did not only interrogate Sophie Scholl, but also her father and other members of the White Rose circle like Willi Graf and his sister Anneliese. Anneliese Knoop-Graf described Mohr's attitude toward her and other female White Rose prisoners as somewhat paternalistic. They perceived his friendliness as false and thought it a trick to gain their confidence. Nonetheless it is interesting to know that Mohr had a son in Sophie's and her friends' age. After his success in destroying the White Rose, Mohr was sent to Alsace as a Gestapo or criminal police officer. He fled to Germany even before the war's end, was imprisoned by the French about 1947 and released about two years later. Then he contacted Robert Scholl, Sophie's father, supposedly because he hoped that Scholl would give him a clean record. In 1951 he wrote a report about the last days of the White Rose on the request of Robert Scholl. In this report he claimed that he had not only tried to save Sophie's life (confirmed by the interrogation protocol), but had also ignored several anti-nazi statements during the interrogation of Robert Scholl, which had otherwise cost Scholl his head. This seems to be true, because Scholl never objected to the report. Mohr died in 1977. When his son Willi was interviewed by the historians, he stated that his father had been a convinced nazi and loyal servant of the regime. Willi Mohr also talked about violent outbursts his father had when family members asked him about the nazis' crimes. --87.169.26.216 20:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tortured before death? 

message: Someone put in things such as that Sophie is a "Giant Cunt" and put other things where you should see pamplets or leaflets, so I repaired it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DasEnde (talk • contribs) 14:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: It says in the article on her brother Hans:
"He, along with his sister, Sophie, Christoph Probst, Alexander Schmorell, Willi Graf, and Professor Kurt Huber, wrote and distributed six leaflets"
Which is correct? This article, or the Hans article?
194.46.227.233 18:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell wrote the first four leaftlets of the White Rose (June / July 1942); they also wrote the fifth leafleft (January 1943), but Professor Kurt Huber did some editing; after Stalingrad Huber wrote the sixth leaftlet (February 1943).--Veremundus (talk) 14:39, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistency

message: The article says she was part of “White Rose non-violent resistance movement in Nazi Germany.” I’m not so sure about the nonviolent part. Some of their leaflet advocated sabotage. If no one objects I will remove this wording. --S.dedalus (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I object.  They clearly advocated non-violent resistance.  They were not partisan fighters nor did they call for the assassination of Hitler or any other figure.  Likewise, groups like Ploughshares today are defined as non-violent though they advocate sabotage of military equipment.  210.50.56.61 (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

text: @S.dedalus While they where prepared to become violent, (ie, Hans carrying a loaded gun during the graffiti campaigns, or Sophie saying to her friend, "If I saw Hitler right now and I had a gun I would shoot him...If a man is unable or unwilling to do so a woman must do it", they never actually became non-violent, so I would consider them a non-violent resistance movement. Weissepedia (talk) 04:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabotage is not non-violent

message: I have recently been in contact with George Wittenstein, the last remaining white rose participant who was a friend of Sophie Scholl. Please note the photo being used has copyright with G Wittenstein. Also he pointed out to me that there was no membership. "members" did not exist and the use of this term in the description should not be used. I have edited this out. He told me they were in fact a group of friends who decided to take direct action against the Nazi regime. They told nobody of their actions, particulary friends/family  to protect them, hence so many inconsistencies with what has been written.
John Abbey  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.240 (talk) 10:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Wittenstein: Last remaining White Rose Activist 

message: The first film was financed by the Bavarian state government and released in the 1970s, entitled Das Versprechen (The Promise). 
Could this be improved? Date? imdb entry? Anything to suggest it really exists, no doubt it does, but no obvious traces are easily found... 
87.113.11.190 (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Movie "Das Versprechen" is a different movie which NOT about the Weiße Rose. Probably you mean the 1971 movie "Der Pedell", which is an old-fashioned designation for the maintenance man in Universities. It is a movie about the maintenance man of the Munich university who observed the Scholl siblings distributing the flyers and who reported them to the GeStaPo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WernerBln (talk • contribs) 15:12, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be a mixup of two different movies. The first movie about the White Rose was Der Pedell. I have updated the paragraph. --NiTen (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Das Versprechen 197x 

message: It is true that on 20 May 1942 when Hartnagel was deployed to the eastern front Sophie Scholl gave him two volumes of Newman's sermons as a farewell present. But those particular volumes, edited by the Newman-scholar Matthias Laros, were not translated by Theodor Haecker. But Haecker has translated these works of John Henry Newman into German: An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, An Essay in Aid of a Grammar of Assent, (some) Sermons bearing on Subjects of the Day, (some) Parochial and Plain Sermons, The Dream of Gerontius, Historical Sketches, The Patristical Idea of the Antichrist. --Veremundus (talk) 16:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haecker as translator of Newman 

message: A Google.com name search on 'Sophie Scholl' returns this:
"Sophia Magdalena Scholl (9 May 1921 – 22 February 1943) was a German American Factory Owner"
This is factually incorrect regarding the last part and needs correcting.
Interceder (talk) 00:29, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Search result on 'Sophie Scholl' error. 

message: In February 2011 the Flemish city of Leuven (Louvain) decided not to rename a local square, Fochplein (Foch Square; a French general), into "Sophia Scholl Square".
In spite of popular and political support (Green Party) the City Council renamed the square after the late rector of the local university "Pieter De Somer Square"
Source: entry in Councilwoman FATIHA DAHMANI s blog on the 25th of February 2011. http://www.fatihadahmani.blogspot.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.5.209.240 (talk) 21:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  City square not named after Sophia Scholl 

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message: I am sorry for my bad faith edit on this page at 15:18 on the 5th of December, 2018. I now know better and am on my way to become a better wikipedian. Link to my bad faith revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sophie_Scholl&oldid=prev&diff=872162291&diffmode=visual  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlecat456 (talk • contribs) 11:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: I’m sorry

message: IIRC there used to be an actual photo of Sophie in the box? That might have been the one that fell victim to copyright issues a while back . However, there's at least one usable and verified photo on Commons:
Not great quality, but more of a likeness than that bust (which is now used twice on the page). If not in the box, then maybe we could at least use it somewhere else in the text? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 00:39, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Integrate at least one actual photo? 

message: I find mention of the actress playing Sophie Scholl in "The Death of a Nation," an ahistorical propaganda film from the United States positing that the Democratic Party is parallel to Nazism, to be superfluous, given the relative importance of the film, as well as gravely offensive given Scholl's life's work.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:102:D40F:88EA:AC1A:FD51:10EF (talk) 18:05, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no requirement that the noted film portrayals have to be eulogies, or even accurate. It's certainly a notable film, even if it is a piece of propagandist crap. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:11, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death of a Nation mention 

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message: This article is a real mess, with links and content duplicated every other paragraph, with diversions and tangents away from the biographical subject, and the most important and significant material buried where readers can’t find it. Viriditas (talk) 23:29, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup and rewrite 

message: The link goes to another Elisabeth Scholl, not her sister. Please check. 2.205.219.240 (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've de-wikilinked that. Please correct that if I've made a mistake. See also this. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:10, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong link to Elisabeth Scholl 

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message: I was planning to add a short addendum to the part about the German League for Girls that makes it clear that it was essentially Hitler Youth for girls since Hitler Youth was only for boys, as I don’t think it’s commonly known. This would just be a small addition to an already existing sentence or 1 extra sentence. 
Under early life, I wanted to add that she’d suggested reading the poems of Heinrich Heine and was reprimanded for having the work of a Jew on her bookshelf, which had been explicitly banned by Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels in 1933. The scope of this would just be a couple of sentences. 
I also would like to add that her family was friends with several controversial artists who were against National Socialism and provided early inspiration to her. One of these artists was Otl Aicher who helped her refine her early sketches and ended up marrying her sister. This would take 3-5 sentences. 
When Sophie was 16, she was arrested by the Gestapo.  Her brother, Hans, was found out to be part of an anti-Hitler Youth  group called Deutsche Jungenschaft vom 1.11.1929, abbreviated dj.1.11. The Gestapo arrested Hans at his military base and arrested Inge, Werner, and Sophie at their home. Sophie was released after one day, but Hans was detained for three weeks and Inge and Werner for one week.  This would take about 4-6 sentences. 
My reference for these additions is the book Sophie Scholl and the White Rose by Annette Dumbach and Jud Newborn.  
Jud Newborn is a historian, lecturer, and author known for his expertise in the Holocaust and anti-Semitism. He served as the Founding Historian of the Museum of Jewish Heritage, a Living Memorial to the Holocaust in New York City, from 1986 to 2000 and holds a Ph.D. in Anthropology from Stony Brook University.
Annette Dumbach was a writer, journalist, and adjunct professor in the English Department at Hunter College of the City University of New York. She authored several books. 
If anyone wants to comment on these changes, please let me know on this Talk Page or on my Talk Page. (LDantesinferno (talk) 02:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit and new info 

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