Talk:The Amazing Race 8/Archive 01

message: Anyone have a screenshot of the title screen with the 'Family Edition' subtitle? That would serve well as a new graphic at the top of the article... Radagast 12:35, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess I'll be busier than usual on the TAR side of things... Radagast 18:23, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be adding the title card after i download the finale.  Thank goodness this train wreck is over. --Madchester 19:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Family Edition' title card 

message: This season will be comprised of less episodes, I think, considering we have too few teams to make it a 13-leg race. Should this go in the article? Can anyone find a reference to how many more weeks of season 8 there are? Cabus
:Fewer teams doesn't necessarily mean fewer legs. They could have more non-elimination pitstops. Andy Janata 04:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of episodes 

message: I'm the 162.84.221.109 who messed up signing...i'm a new wikipedian so i apologize for the unclear comment
All I did was re-sort the results table and fix the top column widths
Timr917 02:37, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a quick note 

message: *Phil's intro schpeel is "this is the first pit stop of The Amazing Race" not "this is the first pit stop in a race around the world."  So don't be too surprised if they don't leave the States for a while, if ever.
*Phil doesn't indicate when the teams depart from the pit stop.  Which suggests that it may not be the usual 12 hour gap, to give the kiddies and teens more sleep.
*No roadblock maximums cuz of the age handicap obviously
I just found it ironic that the Travelocity trip will be taking the Weaver family out of the country, whereas the Race has yet to do so. --Madchester 05:07, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Subtle changes in Season 8

message: According to my map, Washington Crossing State Park is in New Jersey, not Pennsylvania. There are towns named Washington Crossing in both states, so that's probably what caused the confusion. I would change it, but I have no clue how to change the flag in the entry. Thanks )
:Done. As they performed tasks on both banks, I've noted both towns/states/parks. Radagast 16:06, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington Crossing in Leg 1 

message: Hey, I will hide the Roadblocks performed in this article. And no one see the roadblocks performed and it hides itself. ApprenticeFan, October 10, 2005.
:Cool. I'm just wondering how useful the information wil be, especially as we now know some roadblocks will be two-person jobs... Radagast 12:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roadblock limits 

message: I have on several occassions changed the sentence "Filming took place..." to "Taping took place" because The Amazing Race is videotaped not shot on film.  Someone keeps reverting it.  Can we keep it as "tape" please?  I understand some Wikipedians working on this article don't like changes, but "taping" is accurate, I'm sure.  TAR is not filmed, it's taped.  Let's not make this personal and revert changes just for the sake of reverting things.  WIkipedia is supposed to be a community.  Come on.  71.195.206.168 22:03, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has updated it to "production of the show."  That works for me. 71.195.206.168 22:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: The show is shot on videotape not on film.  Film is used incorrectly in the above headlines, a carryover from reference to motion picture filiming by people who don't know any better.  But The Amazing Race is shot on tape, so let's be accurate.  Your statement that "taping" is used only for indoor controlled situations is completed unfounded.  I work in television production by the way, so I know what I'm talking about.  Tape refers to videotape.  Film refers to film. I think the reference to "production also works. 71.195.206.168 03:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have actual evidence of the usage of the term... you can only claim that you're in TV production and the term's not used?  Wikipedia doesn't work that way, hun.  You need references as suggested by Wikipedia:Cite sources, not credentials to back your claim. --Madchester 03:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The show is taped not filmed

message: I've added the scandal both to the General section of Season 8 and the criticisms of the race itself.  What a shame. Jendeyoung 05:27, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was bound to happen sooner or later.  If not, the kiddies would have ended up squealing anyway, when they give in to peer pressure at school. --Madchester 06:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agreed, but those multi-million dollar secrecy contracts???Jendeyoung 07:14, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online Betting Scandal Reveals Winners, AGAIN!!! 

message: on the amazing race website under teams is pictures of teams, the order of the pictures has never changed place. The Black family is on the top right of the page, the Rogers family is next to them, next to them is the Aiello family and next to them are the Schroeder family. That is the order in which they have left the race, so does this mean that the winners are the bottom left team on the page???????
Umm, that's a coincidence.... That photo was taken at the beginning of the race in Brooklyn.  This is just like last season, when there was a "pattern" in the team photo backgrounds and order of elimination.... --Madchester 04:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  CBS screws up 

message: Does anybody think it would be a good idea to include the prizes that each leg's first place team receives at the pit stop, in this article? Or even incorporate it into a supplementary article? They only started giving prizes 2 seasons ago, but I would like to know what each team won on each leg.  Shifter55 18:25, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually they've been giving away prize since season 1.  Regardless I cleaned up the section, cuz it was reading like Phil's promotional voiceovers. --Madchester 22:27, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 1st Place Team Prizes

message: I missed the fifth episode, but from what I've heard, it was made clear that the Paolos won the one and only Fast Forward on the race.  In Leg 6, however, the teams can clearly be seen holding the green Fast Forward clues.  I'm thinking that since this one was not used, they referred to the first as the "only one".  Any thoughts on this discrepancy?
:I saw the clue as well... either A)no one went for the FF (cuz the teams were fairly closely bunched at the volcano) or B) it was just an envelope say there's no FF on this leg or C) production screwed up and no one was able to do the FF.  It happened in Season 1 when Lenny and Karen were in Rome. On a certain race messageboard, Hera (from Season 6) posted a message back in the summer indicating that production had a problem in Central America during filming.  I wouldn't be suprised if she was referring to the unused/problematic FF on this leg.--Madchester 22:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fast Forward on Leg 6? 

message: Do we have a confirmed finale date yet?  Speculation has centered on 12/6, 12/13 and 12/20 as possibilities.
69.15.112.82 14:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finale Date 

message: I was just reproducing on what is done in "Leg 5 Detour" where venues for the options were mentioned. So why is it that I could not do it for Leg 6 Detour where I should mention "Rainmaker Adventure Forest" for Relic and banana plantation (to be hopefully supplemented with the right venue) for Ripe?
Tell me, why can't I?
Aeron Valderrama
:If you place your mouse over the Detour icon, it already indicates that Detour choices.  Any further details can be found at the official site, which is already externally linked. --Madchester 10:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, no, no, NO! Web browsers are NOT supposed to show the alt-text for an image on a mouseover. I think only Internet Explorer does, and that's why everyone thinks they all are supposed to. I use Opera and I'd never see that tidbit of information unless I turn images off. We should NOT be exploiting features only one browser "supports" and calling it a feature of the web page. If there would be a way to put it in the title element of the img tag, then that would work -- that's supposed to be shown somewhere on a mouseover (but I don't know if there's a way to get MediaWiki to do so). We should figure out a better way to show this text; the way Aeron did it isn't very pretty but I feel it should be shown on the main part of the page. Andy Janata 12:35, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I use both Opera and FireFox, and there's no problem with the alt-text... maybe you should upgrade your browsers... :-) --Madchester 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: When I think about it for a minute, we probably shouldn't use the alt-text. To some people, it's not immediately apparent that it's there, and so the information can easily be overlooked. And according to this page (about making the web easily accesible), alt-text shouldn't be used on a decorative graphic. The best way to ensure readability for everyone would be to keep the text separate from the image. --SonicAD 16:38, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm already using the latest Opera, and I upgrade the instant a new version is released. Perhaps YOU should upgrade. Andy Janata 14:27, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

text: That's because we have actual links to the specific locations visited.  Unless you have the specific website to the actual banana packaging plant, there's no point duplicating that piece of info. --Madchester 18:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's not duplicating! I'll never see it unless I turn images off, which I don't intend to do. Andy Janata 03:58, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It you put your mouse over the images, the alt-text appears regardless of whether you're using Opera, Firefox or IE.  I have no problems with it on any of the computers in my household.  I haven't used Opera regularly in a while, but maybe it has to do with a certain extension or theme? --Madchester 03:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Opera has never shown alt-text when I mouseover an image, and this is the standards-compliant way images should be handled. If you want a mouse-over text string to be displayed, you use the title attribute. What Opera DOES show on a mouseover in leiu of a title attribute is the URL of the image. I'll grant you that Firefox does show the alt-text, but that's still not the right way of doing it. Also, there is no option for this, and "extensions" aren't really the same as in FF (regardless, Opera has everything I want built-in, and it would take a good half-dozen extensions to get FF to do it). Andy Janata 14:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy in Detour (Leg 6)? 

message: Lake Powell is entirely in Utah. Glen Canyon Dam may be in Arizona, but the lake is entirely within Utah. The artcle says it's in Arizona. Not to mention there's no info on Leg 7... bob rulz 04:18, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm not mistaken, the southwest portion of Lake Powell is in Arizona. Also, imagine my happiness when I saw that tonight's teams flew to Phoenix, Arizona, which is where I live :) -- RattleMan 04:21, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just looked at a map and you're right; the very southwest corner protrudes farther into Arizona than I thought. I thought that Glen Canyon Dam was pretty much right along the border, but it's a few miles south. Damn, and they were almost in Utah :p (which is where I live). bob rulz 04:34, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lake Powell, Arizona??

message: Thhere is no Montana leg. On the official amazing race 8 website, there isn't enough room for montana on the route map. Even if there is a Montana leg, "unknown ranch" isn't really what I would find in an ecyclopedia.
Route map: http://www.cbs.com/primetime/amazing_race8/route/
:And the official site hasn't confirmed that teams are visiting Utah, even though the commercials show it and an actual race itinerary was posted online.  The official site is the LAST place you want to use to find information on the race; just last week they posted the wrong "eliminated" photos of 2 different families.
:If you read the details in the actual link, it all seems plausible (like previous spoilers) and you could have simply edited out the "unknown" reference for "encyclopedic" sake. --Madchester 02:04, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted "Montana leg"