Talk:Chinese astrology/Archive 1

message: In my opinion, the table is of little use if it does not include recent years.--Feitclub 02:50, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
: The table has two sets of "begin & end" columns, and includes years from 1900 to 2020.  (It could certainly stand to be reformatted to make that clearer.) DenisMoskowitz 16:37, 2005 Feb 28 (UTC)
This article should be merged with Sexagenary cycle. - ChongDae
Table of the lunar calendar and zodiac?
I could be confused but this table looks like 2006 is the year of the Rooster, every one else thinks it is the year of the Dog.
:The year of the Rooster was from Feb. 9, 2005 to January 28, 2006, so only the first four weeks of 2006 are part of the year of the Rooster.  The year of the Dog is January 28, 2006 - Feb. 17, 2007.  Chinese New Year is not the same day as Western New Year, and the change is by the Chinese New Year Nik42 04:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete Table 

message: The Element column of Table of the Lunar Calendar and Zodiac are somewhat misleading. Element list there are of the Heavenly Stems of the year. One year indeed is associated with three elements, one is of its Heavenly Stems, one is of its Earthly Branches and the last one is called 纳音 na yin. The last system is invented later and is not recognized by some astrologers. But the other two systems are equally important.
--Purpureleaf 04:39, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the element of one year 

message: The relation of animals to months has been edited and changed back all too many times in this article. The single external source claims that January is the month of Ox. However some editors seem to believe that January is actually the month of Rat and so they constantly shift the entire calendar by one sign. This starts to look like an edit war. If anyone knows of other (perhaps more reliable) sources that would say someting about this "inner animal" stuff, please drop in some references here so we could check them and finally reach an agreement on the subject. Prickus 13:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit wars to whichever version were both incorrect! Lunar months don't correspond to the Julian/Gregorian solar months for starters, and the first lunar month is actually the Tiger (cited link at bottom, plus cross referenced with a rather old Chinese astrology to check validity). Have made a nice table to reflect this. Jonathan Stanley 20:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Blah! Both those edits happened whilst I wasn't logged in... Jonathan Stanley 20:53, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see this one finally corrected! Now, taking into account that these are actually lunar months, a practical question arises: how can one calculate what is the lunar month of his/her birthday in order to figure out one's inner animal? Prickus 16:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen online tables that relate the solar terms (yushui, etc.) to dates.  Maybe it would be a good idea to put those into the table, but I have no understanding whatsoever of html (or any markup, for that matter) tables. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orngjce223 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Months 

message: http://www.eurasianhistory.com/data/articles/a02/1238.html
(previous posted by User:Bestlyriccollection)
(large Chinese article removed)
:Bestlyriccollection, it's not useful to dump a very large non-English article into English talk pages.  Most editors here can't read it, and as far as I can tell it's just the same content as the web page you've linked above.  If there's something specific you'd like us to get out of it, please translate. DenisMoskowitz 19:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dodecimal Zodiac in the calendar of Turkic peoples like the Uyghurs

message: I suppressed a repetition of the verb "to be" in "The Twelve Animals". It originally read "each individual personality is is associated". And I also corrected a typo in "distinctively" at the end of the paragraph.
Askorahn 16:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typos 

message: I would like to add columns for the 18th and 19th century - to find the signs of not only living people, but historical figures as well. Does anyone know where to find a source for the 18th and 19th century? --Stbalbach 23:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find them, I'd suggest you link to them rather than making the already large table even larger. DenisMoskowitz 18:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  18th and 19th century calender 

message: I removed the list of celebrities from Rat (see the talk page), and I think the lists should be removed from the other animal articles too. Presumably every celebrity or notable person who ever existed falls under one of the twelve categories, so I think decisions about who gets included are inherently arbitrary and poorly defined. And I don't see what value such lists add to an encyclopedia. Wmahan. 04:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said. DenisMoskowitz 20:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I haven't followed through with the change because someone objected at Talk:Rat (zodiac) and I don't want to remove the lists unless there is a consensus. Wmahan. 02:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: There aren't any lists of celebrities at the western astrological sign articles: see Sagittarius (astrology) for instance. DenisMoskowitz 22:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I thought it was clear that I wanted to remove the lists because they don't add any value to an encyclopedia article, not because I "simply don't like categorizing people". No, the lists don't hurt anyone, but I think they detract from the articles' quality for the reasons I gave. Mere factuality is not a sufficient reason to include the lists. And there are many different ways to categorize people: by name, year of birth, year of death, ethnic or national origin, occupation, religion, sex, location, and on and on. Wmahan. 05:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity lists 

message: <!- -doesn't the earth govern 3 animals like the others?- -> kzz* 19:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  it seemed strange- 

message: Is this really Chinese?  Chinese Gender Calendar. Does anyone in China actually use it? Where did it come from? All I can find are site like babynames.com. If someone who speaks Chinese could search Chinese websites it might be a help. -Ravedave 01:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Gender Calendar

message: how about adding a link in the external link section that gives information from the origin of Chinese astrology to individual animals Characters & more.
the link is http://www.astrouniverse.com/ChineseAstro.php
Avenash
: It's fine if any established, neutral editor wants add the link. But since you have a direct interest in the site, and you have been adding it to many articles in an apparent attempt to promote it, I have removed it. Promotion of your own website is not allowed; please see Wikipedia:External links. Wmahan. 17:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding External Link 

message: http://www.kunstkammer.dk/OstindiskeGB/genstande_ostindiskeGB.asp?ID=201
I presume it is somehow related to Chinese astrology, and, since it is the Kunstkammer (collection of wonders) of the Danish kings I thought you might want to use it as an external link, presuming it is relevant.
I note too that the original text which accompanied this articles was:
"Chinese boxes for soothsaying" (2 Chineische pyxides til Sortilegia)
Considering what most people consider to be "Chinese boxes" I thought that was rather interesting.
:It's almost certainly a Lo P'an, a geomantic compass used in Feng Shui. DenisMoskowitz 20:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this? 

message: The month table lists the first 12 months, but not the leap month. What is it, and its segments called? Also, which sign is this month assigned to?
:I want to know that, too! I can't believe nobody here knows the answer. :-( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.187.118.199 (talk) 17:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the leap month has no segments and is assigned the sign of the month before.~user:orngjce223how am I typing? 22:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the 13th (leap) month called? 

message: One of the sign descriptions included something about how Japan and Germany, ruled (apparently) by the Dragon and the Rat, respectively, were responsible for great atrocities including the holocaust.  I removed it as inflammatory and irrelevant to the topic.
Nagakura shin8 15:03, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the original author was trying to explain the part about how the First Trine is capable of great good and great evil and so pointed out that Japan and Germany, nations governed by the Dragon and Rat, respectively, were causes of world war 2. I think he/she was trying to show the rough characteristics of the signs, the Rats exclusive, rigid, and brutal side and the Dragons imperious and arrogant side. When I first saw it, I just thought it was irrelevent and quite sensitive. It's nothing that Rat persons or Dragon persons can be particularily proud of and it was just not relevent. Glad you took it off. VeronicaPR 06:28, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think the Chinese zodiac started out rating countries by their "signs".  For one thing, how does one determine Germany to have a "Rat" sign?  The date of the country's "birth"?  That is subject to historical interpretation.  Does anyone have a credible source for designating Chinese zodiac signs to countries?  tess 20:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Took out inflammatory irrelevancy 

message: Substituted at 20:18, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I have checked a few of the subheadings (year of the Dragon, Rat, Goat, etc.) and *all* of the chinese characters shown are incorrect.  I have tried to provide links to a few wiktionary entries of the correct characters, but I can't figure out how to do it and I don't have the time.
Can someone please fix this error or help me?  It's embarrassing for wikipedia to be so wrong for so long.  These character changes were made (in some cases) over a year ago.Lesotho 03:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you just change them yourself? — Sam 00:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to be condescending; I apologize. I just assumed if you had the knowledge of the characters to know they were incorrect then you knew enough to fix them. How about we move them here until someone is able to make the corrections? — Sam 01:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Can you not just copy and paste? On my system it copies and pastes the characters into the article with no issue. — Sam 02:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the characters are incorrect. 

message: The article states: "The 12 animals also apply to the lunar months. The month born affects a person's inner animal, as stated above. Remember, the Chinese calendar is offset to start in the traditional February, or even in early March."  But in the table that follows, it seems to be matching the animals up with solar months, and not lunar ones - after all, if they were lunar months, the dates should vary each year - in the table, the dates don't vary.  Can someone clarify or fix this? Jimhoward72 19:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The months - the inner animals 

message: 3. Kuman (Imén) 
This appears between the Ox and Tiger on the Tore calendar.  What is this?  It took me forever to find that the first, Saravana, is the Rat, and the rest are all in order.  How come nothing else ever mentions something between the Ox and Tiger?  And what's the source on this thing anyway?  I can't find a single website with this that didn't copy it from Wikipedia!  69.220.2.188 03:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tore Calendar 

message: Each year, the animal is called something else. So Rabbit might not be 兔子，or 甲子 next year, but it might be something else.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fushy (talk • contribs) 23:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters are correct

message: It mentioned in the leading paragraph that comets are used in calculating chinese horoscopes, but they aren't mentioned again in the article. Could someone explain, even as a one line answer, what the role of comets are? 137.111.219.14 23:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comets 

message: I thought 2008 is the Year of the Rat?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neobattle2 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date 

message: There's an orphaned stub about a 13th century Chinese conception chart that I think relates to this topic, but I don't know how to integrate it into this article.  If you think it's appropriate to include a link to this article, then please add it (and please then delete the orphan tag from the article).  Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Conception chart

message: What happens between jan 04 and feb 03. I noticed that in column "begin" its feb 04, and in column "end" its jan 03. So whats with people born between jan 04 and feb 03. Or they don't have a sign by Chinese agricultural calendar Requiem mn (talk) 14:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: May be its a mistake in this table.  But I don't think this "agriculrual calendar" is used for determining the sign.  People born before the Chinese New Year, but after the gregorian new year are still considered to be born with the sign of the Chinese year that hasn't ended yet.  tess (talk) 18:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese agricultural calendar 

message: I've deleted the link to a site called Chinese zodiac Horoscope. The justification for its inclusion from the previous user was because the site included a 'calculator' that helped a user ascertain one's zodiac sign. Call me crazy, but external links should be included as to 'add' value to a page, not be redundant. If anyone wanted to find their sign, just use CTRL+F and search with one's birth year. An external link like CZH draws this article closer to its previous versions where the External Links section became way too long because every link became useful because of some tiny interesting but useless aspect. Ultatri (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted External Link 

message: Question moved from article body in HTML comment - no one will see it there Astronaut (talk) 20:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT ARE COMBINATION ELEMENTS? 

message: *If the year ends in 0 it is Yang Metal.
*If the year ends in 1 it is Yin Metal.
*If the year ends in 2 it is Yang Water. 
*If the year ends in 3 it is Yin Water.
*If the year ends in 4 it is Yang Wood. 
*If the year ends in 5 it is Yin Wood.
*If the year ends in 6 it is Yang Fire. 
*If the year ends in 7 it is Yin Fire.
*If the year ends in 8 it is Yang Earth. 
*If the year ends in 9 it is Yin Earth.
I never heard of this as a Chinese. I was born in 1984 and I know that year (甲子) is labeled as 'Metal in the Sea' (海中金). But according to Wiki, that year is Yang Wood. Is this table really of Chinese origin. Also, I can't find it in Chinese Wikipedia.--Haofangjia (talk) 01:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yin Yang Element 

message: There is a website that has the Chinese astrology combined with the original astrology, called the East-West Profile.  Here's the website.--Angeldeb82 (talk) 02:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  East-West Profile 

message: I'm new to editing Wikipedia, so I don't want to undo large edits if I'm inexperienced. However, a number of reasons leave me uneasy about the change in the title's article. The main one is that the article is about Chinese astrology, not necessarily the twelve zodiac animals. The second is conformity--all the rest of the astrology articles are named accordingly.
Comments?
-Pseudonym 101 (talk) 04:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this article title called "Birthpet"?!  It should have been "Chinese astrology"! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 04:35, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I agree that the move should not have happened.  The mover's rationale was "Keep the languages the same", presumably referring to parity with the Chinese version of this page.  But I think consistency with all the other astrology pages in the English Wikipedia takes precedence.  Unfortunately, we can't easily move this back to Chinese astrology because there's a redirect page there now.  That redirect page has been marked for speedy delete, so we can move this back. --ToastyKen (talk) 06:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the title of this article have been changed? 

message: Can we have an explanation above the section Categorizations of the twelve signs? I don't understand it at all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BaboonOfTheYard (talk • contribs) 21:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorizations of the twelve signs 

message: I'm not sure who came up with the idea that the Snake is associated with Taurus, but their wrong. Yes the Snake is often associated with materialism, you know wanting a life of luxury, and being stubborn. But Snakes are charmers, they are often skilled in the arts of seduction and interested in the unknown, mysticism, the occult etc. Scorpio is bout the same way and is also a fixed sign which means it is also stubborn. Scorpios don't let anyone get in the way of what they believe in, like the Snake.
Taurus is represented by a bull so Ox is 100% the real Taurus counterpart. Both Pisces and Goats are weak-willed. 
I could explain the others, but how it really should be is below. I often try to figure out associations of signs with different things. Including gaming. Like what signs are associated with what class or race of say world of warcraft. I have put an asterick by the signs I'm still unsure on.
Aries/Rooster*
Taurus/Ox 
Gemini/Monkey
Cancer/Rabbit
Leo/Rat
Virgo/Dog
Libra/Tiger*
Scorpio/Snake
Sagittarius/Pig*
Capricorn/Horse
Aquarius/Dragon
Pisces/Goat
::Okay, don't force your opinion and  original research down on us. The equivalents we have right now are FINE.
Type "western astrology and chinese astrology equivalent" in Google  and here you will find:  Read this one:  Need I list more? 
Someone963852 (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese-Western Sign associations wrong 

message: In the introduction, I read, “Chinese astrology does not calculate the positions of the sun, moon and planets at the time of birth”.  Yet, in the background section, I'm reading “According to Chinese astrology, a person's destiny can be determined by the position of the major planets at the person's birth along with the positions of the Sun, Moon and comets and the person's time of birth and Zodiac Sign”  These two statements seem to be a direct contradiction to each other.
:I don't know when you made that statement because you forgot signing with four tildes ~~~~. The error is still there. Actually, I think the initial claim is a little off-topical, the birth date and planetary positions then determine the horo(r)scope, whether they're calculated or looked-up in a table is irrelevant. I'll trash it. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 15:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 15:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting Statements?

message: This note is incorrect and should be deleted. The Kazakh word ұлу in the Zodiac calendar derives from a loan word from Chinese meaning "Dragon" (lun). 
65.210.81.130 (talk) 16:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be so, but the current meaning is definitely "snail", and it is so translated and depicted. -- Vmenkov (talk) 17:23, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "snail" in Kazakhstan 

message: The link to chineseastrology.org comes up with a  ROOTKIT INFECTION MESSAGE.   Get rid of this link.
108.18.136.147 (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  REMOVE LINK 

message: Could someone who is familiar with the subject matter please edit the currently incomprehensible contributions by , primarily sections Zang Fu ~ Zodiac ~ Month and Arctic ~ Antarctic, but also the paragraph on Arctic/Antarctic water in the end of the Wu Xing section? (Even the use of the tilde character in the headlines is not something you normally see in English.) ehn (talk) 07:17, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreadable English 

message: Hi, Ip here.
Can anyone tell me if the sexagesimal cycle of element/animal is related to the actual positions of any planets or if it's just basically nonsense?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44B8:3169:3E00:188A:AE7E:DA57:AF95 (talk) 07:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Rounding of 11.86 to 12