Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)/Archive 7

message: does anybody know about a connection between danzo and tobi because i've been told that theres a japanese legend that includes a character with the combination of danzo and tobi's name just wondering if anybody knew something about that and no i dont know the name of the legend or what its about, sorry--Zetsuie 02:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Danzo

message: On the Akatsuki page, under descriptions of rings, the editors made a typo.
For Tobi's ring, the letter means "jade" in english, nothing else. 
can anyone else find other typos? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jayboi012 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The rings each have different names.  All, with the exception of the leader's, are written with two characters.  Each ring has only the first of their two characters written on it.  Thus Tobi's ring,  has only the character  on it. –Gunslinger47 01:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Akatsuki's rings 

message: i just recently decided to re-read all the 2 year time skip stuff and now i've decided to read everything, and i've kinda noticed that some members of akatsuki have little charms  (or w/e they are) hanging off of their hats while others do not... does anyone think this is of any significance or just something like how you can choose what you wear? i'll include a list below of everyone i've noticed has one
*Itachi
*Kisame
*Deidara
Ancientanubis 22:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it is significant, which is debatable, at this point it would be just speculation. Until Kishi actually gives us more information, all we can do is give theories and ideas. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blu Shu0 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: ya ik... i was just kinda curious if anyone noticed any other connections between those characters that did have them on, compaired to those who didnt... just got bored and recalled that from a while backAncientanubis 07:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: charms on top of their hats

message: It seems he had a different seiyu in that episode.  Did they list who it is?  If so, it should be listed here too, hmph. ^_^ JuJube 00:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, they didn't list any of them. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:51, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deidara in ep.135 

message: I bumped into a Wikipedia mirror that states that Deidara's catchphrase "Geijutsu wa bakuhatsu da" (Art is a bang) was a "famous phrase of [Okamoto] Taro".  If that's true (and I mean true as in the guy said exactly that), does it warrant a mention, or was it just vandalism?  I couldn't find anything about it on the talk pages. ^_^ JuJube 07:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to know why this was removed as well. It used to be here, but it was removed...if it's false, okay, but if it's true, I think it definetly deserves a reference in his section. Viewtiful Rekk 03:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: lol, off topic but i <3 how alot of stuff on there is basicalyl a C&P of the stuff we have here:P...Ancientanubis 22:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: A quick check of the Japanese wiki entry confirms that this is correct.  I'd say it warrants a mention. HisshouBuraiKen 18:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another thing about Deidara 

message: You don't have to call my ideas garbage. I didn't post on the actual article because I said it was speculation. However, it was a good theory from decent evidence. I don't think you have a better theory yourself, but if you do, I will be glad to hear it. Otherwise, avoid the personal attacks and shut up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kukuzuthe9999 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I read it, and he wasn't calling you garbage.  Theories and speculation aren't accepted in Wikipedia articles, and they shouldn't be discussed on talk pages either.  Talk pages are for improving the article, not for forum-esque discussions. JuJube 20:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You just said no personal attacks and yet you tell Neo to "shut up"? I guess you're a killer of your own cause, eh? Sam ov the blue sand 22:47, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shut up isnt actually a personal attack.  Its just a way to say stop talking.--Count Mall 22:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And saying "please stop" or being civil doesn't work for you? Your last statement was a personal attack. In any case, this topic was concluded months ago. There's no point in saying anything else. Sephiroth BCR 22:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  to Neo Chaos X 

message: ya ya, ik this isnt a "forum" type place, but i can make this work for it
# did anyone find it weird to see Orochimaru in an Akatsuki outfit???
# do you think we should add that picture to his profile?????
:Ancientanubis 20:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would an image need to be added? He looks no different except that he has an Akatsuki outfit on. ~SnapperTo 20:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oh hmmm, idk, maybe cuz it was part of his dissiperance from Konoha, to him starting the Sound village that has not really been covered and yaAncientanubis 22:41, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Orochimaru's ring, and the hand that it's on, is of more importance than his outfit, as demonstrated by the fact that his ring is the reason he has not been replaced. ~SnapperTo 22:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Orochimaru Akatsuki

message: he is the only one to not have one on this page, why? Letuce 20:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: good point, it may have something to do with the fact that it wasn't known when we first were "introduced" to him that he was an ex member, and they just migradted a mini bio over to here.... but thats only my guess.....Ancientanubis 20:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but then some characters like sasori and hidan have there own page but they still have defining characterisitscs here also...Letuce 22:38, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but they had there mini articles on the akatsuki page prior to there own big articles being made... where as orochimaru had his own large article which was just linked over to here when he was found out to be an ex member of akatsuki does that make better sense then what i said earlier????Ancientanubis 23:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  orochimarus Defining characteristics 

message: what chapter does Tobi fight the three tailed beji?
thnakes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.176.173.43 (talk) 23:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Trick question:  The answer is never. :) However, for the battle you're speaking of, see the source of this image: :Image:Sanbi.JPG, which I got from the Tailed beasts page. –Gunslinger47 02:02, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobi battle? 

message: Itachi and Deidara should have their own separate articles. Moonwalkerwiz 06:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not until they're dead or have survived a major battle in two seperate arcs.Sam ov the blue sand 22:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And whose rule is that? Moonwalkerwiz 22:52, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh sorry I didn't say hi (I always say that to people I haven't have the pleasure of meeting), but I was in a rush. ^_^ So anyways it's no rule or policy it is just a guideline so we don't have articles that don't belong (such as stubs, though nothing against them, they're alright ^_^) and this way we can see if they even deserve their own article, for example if Zetsu was to drop dead then he wouldn't be deserving of his own article (I forgot to mention that in my first post). Oh and it also helps to keep the same discussions from appearing (like this one). Again sorry for not saying hi or explaining my reasoning further. ^_^ Sam ov the blue sand 23:39, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clear response. I'm getting tired of Gunslinger's rules. Now I understand why these two still don't have their own separate articles. However, I still keep to my argument in the other sections above, that Itachi must have his own article despite the fact that it would be difficult to divide his into arcs. Akatsuki members each have their own different stories, and so it could be problematic if we stick to that guideline. I predict that some of them will not die and will survive long into the series, probably not doing any "major" battle for a very long time. Itachi, for example, already had many fights, albeit small ones. And being one of the major antagonists, his major battle might not come soon. However, he is a key character, and having his own article seems to me a must, since his role in the story provides motivations for the other major characters: Sasuke, Orochimaru and Naruto. As for Deidara, isn't his fight with Gaara considered a major battle? He also fought Kakashi and Naruto, and seen capturing a tailed beast. In fact, among Akastsuki and aside from Sasori, Deidara's character is very well explored in the manga, although his history is still not revealed. Moonwalkerwiz 01:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because Itachi affects things around him, doesn't mean he needs an article. Mr. Linderman is mentioned in basically every episode of Heroes, yet there is practically nothing known about him and thus no article. Same principle here. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Practically nothing" known about Itachi and Deidara? I know more about Itachi than I know about Hidan and how the hell did he become immortal. Moonwalkerwiz 04:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keyword: you. "You" are basing your entire argument around what "you" believe "you" know and don't know (enough quoting?). Try to catch on here, because you've already carried on at least two pointless discussions and the inability to listen becomes annoying very quickly. We know what Itachi has done, not about him. Hidan gets a hell of a lot of character development, as does Hidan. That and Sam is just as annoyingly persistent as you in this regard. Itachi doesn't need an article because we know very little about him. Simple as that. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The amazing thing is, the same thing can be said of you guys that "You" are basing your entire argument around what "you" believe "you" know and don't know." Hidan gets "a hell of a lot of character development"? What are you talking about? All we know about Hidan is that he's an immortal, he has a weird religion, he killed Asuma and he got buried by Shikamaru. As for Itachi, we know about his history and he also had many battles. You're only saying you know many things about Hidan and Kakuzu because it's easier to write their articles because they only fight two major battles and then it's over. You're trying to cram the story into this "standard" that you made for yourselves. You're not the only editors here. What makes you think that you can set guidelines for everybody? I'm only speaking of this matter this way because you seem to think that I carry out "pointless discussions." But I give up. I'm tired of this discussion and of people like you who take control of articles, thinking that they know all about it, and are unquestionable about the matter. Do as you like, Wikipedia gods. Moonwalkerwiz 04:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hey buddy, ik i have not posted much but i cant stand by and idly by and listen to your babble anymore... just because we think we know something about a character doesnt mean we should run off and add it... we post facts here, not suspicions... yes we understand that itachi drives the motivation behind ALOT of characters in Naruto... but tell me, how many episodes/chapters has he really been in???? episode wise(prior to the time skip) he was seen in about 4 episodes(not including flash backs in which maybe it bumps up 2 8(of which those 2nd 4 are just them explaining what happened in the past in which all we learn is that 'he killed his clan and basically forced sasuke to hate him and extract revenge on him' why did he leave him alive?, why did he seek so much power?, we dont know and were not going to post guess's...))  AND ANOTHER THING... people like sam, gun slinger and someguy are not wiki gods or anything, and they haven't taken over the article... anyone is free to edit this article BUT it's people like them who frequent this page and make sure that the information is not only correct, but has a good enough reason for being here... AND there's nothing wrong with doing this... hell i've recently taken a page 666 Satan that started out as basically nothing and have worked my ass off 2 make it a respectable page(ask sam if ya don't believe me)  and theres nothing wrong with frequenting a page you've but ALOT of work into in order to make sure it stays respecable... i personally know that i'll frequent the 666 satan page for as long as possible inorder to make sure that all my hard work doesn't go 2 waste... it's a matter of pride and the fact that we've put so much time into something that drives us 2 do this... i mean, if it weren't for people like sam, someguy and gunslinger then people would go off and do w/e they want with this article and it'd prob go 2 crap and represent naruto in a bad light which would upset naruto fans, so instead of bitchin and moaning about how they're not agreeing with your opinion to give itachi or who ever there own article, you should be thankful for people like them who keep the article in such good shape... AND if you really want itachi or who ever to gave there own article, then you should do what the rest of us would do in any regular cituation and create a very convincing argument on why they deserve it... basically something besides "his actions drive many characters"...and im really sorry if that sounds harsh but i just couldn't sit by and watch you not listen to what anyone had to say... granted wikipedia is not a democracy, but we still try 2 have an overall agreement on what should be done prior to doing it... Ancientanubis 06:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not questioning the amount of effort you've put into creating articles. I'm an editor myself and I know how difficult it is to write a good article. I don't edit naruto pages that much, in fact, come to think of it, I've never edited any naruto article. And like I said, I give up on this discussion. If you don't want to consider my reasons to give Itachi and Deidara their own articles (and god knows I've done my best to make them clear, I usually don't debate this much except in the Reference Desk) then so be it. But I just want to make it clear that I appreciate all your work and I thank you all for it. Still, I find it hard to see this "overall agreement." Seems like the other voices here have been squashed out of existence. Moonwalkerwiz 06:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: how are they being 'squashed'... and to be honesty you haven't really given much of an argument about itachi, basically all i've heard is that he has effected other people and that's about it.... if you really want to convince us then you need facts, good reasons and maybe specific policy's as to why it should be created... i mean honestly i feel like yes itachi could use his own article.... BUT the only reason that it hasn't happened is because of the fact that even though he's effected the naruto universe in a large way he has yet to really appear in many chapters/episodes so i understand why we have yet to decide that he deserve his own article... you've got to look @ the big picture of what is good for the article as a whole instead of your opinion of just one character....Ancientanubis 07:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Enough. There's no article for them since there isn't a suitable amount of information to make a worthwhile article. For Itachi, you can discuss his abilities, his time with his clan before annihilating them, and his very brief fights during the actual series. Not sufficient, nor would it be conclusive. Out of all the members of Akatsuki, Itachi is most likely to recieve the greatest amount of development, as he is directly linked to several of the major characters. Once his role has been properly concluded, an article can be added that will certaintly have sufficient information. As for Deidara, you can have a brief synopsis of his abilities - considering that never any great discussion about them nor variety, and you can mention the fights he has been involved in. Compared to the present articles (Sasori, Kakazu, and Hidan), he has a pitiful amount of information available to write an article. There's little more to include than what is already mentioned on the page. Sephiroth BCR 07:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: someguy left for a while???? im sorry i didn't realize you've been gone for a while someguy.... i've been hellaz busy on some other article i dndt even realize:P so welcome back:)....Ancientanubis 02:14, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: My suggestion wasn't "Death = Page", but rather that for "villain of the week" enemies, the point of their death or defeat is a good time to determine whether the character required a page of its own, since we know little more information is likely to come in.  –Gunslinger47 02:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I've never said Death = Article, I siad that Death + Enough info = Article. Sam ov the blue sand 02:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  Regarding Itachi, he is undoubtably significant, from virtually all perspectives.  However, we don't have anything more to say about him that can't be put into a single, well-phrase paragraph.  He's was a genius from the Uchiha clan who entered ANBU before killing his best friend and clan because people in Naruto are psychotic.  He left his brother alive because of reasons mentioned in the preceeding sentance, as well as to supposedly challange himself.  He joined Akatsuki, after which he has had fleeting encounters with various individuals where he dispatches them while bored, demonstrating his strength as a genjutsu user and the overpowering might of his mangekyo sharingan.  The use of this eye technique has caused his eyesight to degrade, as fitting with the reoccuring theme in Naruto that all surpremely powerful abilities are self-destructive. –Gunslinger47 03:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to throw in my two cents, most of what can be said about Itachi has been nicely summarized here. -- Seraphchoir 13:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And to throw in my own, i believe both itachi and deidara have enough information for their own page, provided it would be a somewhat small page, given the illusion of a bigger page via breaking up and discreetly repeating information. KKIPPES 14:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi and Deidara articles 

message: Even though plenty of work has gone into the articles, do we really need them? They were around for like thirty chapters each, did nothing too notable in those chapters, really just served in "villain of the week" roles, and aren't important to the series itself. Nemu 01:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The seperate articles serve as an organizational tool. And in any case, other minor characters have similar amounts of content, and have their own articles. Once Akatsuki's role in the series is completed, a more concrete decision can be made concerning the article itself. Sephiroth BCR 03:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excluding the plot summaries, I'm surprised by the length of the three. I do agree that none are in the spotlight for very long, but I also think there's certainly enough information on each of them to warrant remaining. While there is a certain amount of bias in this belief, putting them back in this article would just recreate three lengthy article-sized sections. ~SnapperTo 03:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the Anime has yet to even truly reach these three, I expect there will be a need to keep them. The pace of shippuden is rather slow and thusly I think they will become the villians of major story arcs, rather then simply "villians of the week" as you put it. Considering Zabuza has his own article at under 15 episodes, I think these guys earn since they're going to take a fair bit more, have ties to a group of major villians, and may not be completely out of the story yet (you never know what flashbacks and plot twists may bring, hell, zabuza has been recently brought up once more even). -- Midusunknown 07:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thats a really good point actually...Ancientanubis 08:09, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So Snapper are you finaly over the whole copy and paste thing (I noticed the hypocrite thing and wondered what you meant by it)? And thanks for sticking up for the articles, I get tired of being the only one doing it (even though it did sound kinda negitive). ^_^ Sam ov the blue sand 22:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the three (sort of), so they aren't copy and pastes of what was in this article anymore. I'll likely always fight the creation of an Akatsuki member article, but will put up with it once it exists. ~SnapperTo 01:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sasori, Hidan, and Kakuzu

message: How is Zetsu a cannibal? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.68.211.16 (talk • contribs).
:Since he is presumably human, wouldn't consuming the corpses of other humans make him qualify as a cannibal? –Gunslinger47 23:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, but how do we know he's a cannibal? KKIPPES 07:25, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We see him eating the corpse of the man Kisame took over for the Akatsuki leader's shapeshifting jutsu in ch. 261. 121.44.229.19 02:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannibal? 

message: Someone should really add a picture of the akatuski city to the article —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.74.65.5 (talk • contribs).
:We know nothing of this city, other than that the Akatsuki leader has been seen within it. –Gunslinger47 06:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's irrelevant. There's no point in including it. Sephiroth BCR 08:00, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

text: And where would it go? In the section allotted to the Akatsuki leader that already has two images there? The only reason that it would be added would be that it gave a better picture of the leader, which it doesn't. Aside from that it's completely irrelevant, and should not be included. Sephiroth BCR 04:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia has guidelines for inclusion, not exclusion.  Simply that adding something won't "harm" an article isn't justification in itself to do so.  Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information.  This goes double for non-free content such as manga scans. –Gunslinger47 05:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You followed your attempted clarification with an attempted justification of his action, which was in direct contradiction of what people said previously. You were directly trying to start discussion, and now you follow a recourse going back against what you just said. That's what people are talking about. Be clear about your stance is before you write something. Sephiroth BCR 05:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This thread is about the pic.  If you have something to say to User:138.88.30.56 ("Manga King"), then go to User talk:138.88.30.56. –Gunslinger47 06:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Akatsuki City 

message: I'm phrasing it as an "apparent suicide" rather than a "suicide", since it's all but confirmed that Itachi did it.  If there's a better word for it, like "alleged", well, whatever works.
Seraphchoir 15:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, It's better to use a word like that, since he almost definately didn't kill himself. Manga_King —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.88.175.240 (talk) 20:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't say it's completely clear, since Kakashi gained it without resorting to any best-friend-killing, but the discussion of that is beyond the scope of this topic -- Seraphchoir 23:32, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shishui Uchiha's death 

message: Could someone make Itachi Uchiha a seperate page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.86.205.94 (talk) 01:23, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See above. Sephiroth BCR 01:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi's own article 

message: Under the section of the article regarding the Akatsuki members' headbands, it says "they cut there headbands cause evry guy is emo". WTF? 1.) That's opionated. and 2.) That's totally false. Putting a slash through a forehead protector is a symbol of deviation, saying "This village is pathetic and doomed to die". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tybre (talk • contribs) 21:07, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Though you are correct, for future reference you may want to check the article history before bringing it up here. That was reverted almost an hour ago. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:09, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It was visible for less than a minute.  Likely it was already gone by the time you spotted it.  –Gunslinger47 22:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Your web cache can make it seem to be there for longer then it actually was.  Anyway, thanks for your diligence. :)  Remember, you can update pages yourself and are encouraged to do so if you spot a mistake.  If it's broken, fix it! –Gunslinger47 23:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Research the hidden village's symbols. Then take a look at Hidan's headband. He is not from the Village of Rain. Retlor 21:51, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Compromised/Article Error 

message: hmm have any of you looked in youtube?
if u type akatsuki leader 1-20 clips shows a comic book that tells about akatsuki leader as bieng 4th hokage.
maybe its true maybe its not. - Akizaki
:The page you're referencing has been proven to be photoshopped, or at least not from the original manga... It cant be used as proof of the AL's identity. Until we get something more definitive from the manga or Kishimoto himself, the AL's identity will continue to be unknown. --GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 18:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kishomoto has released no such pictures. There are no pictures of Madara and only one lower-jaw shot of the leader. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Madara is starting to get me mad, why Kishomoto adds piontless characters is beyond me I think he's just messing with us now. Anyway that stuff is photoshop because a friend of mine is one of the people who made it.Sam ov the blue sand, My Talk, And if you feel like spying on me 22:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: idk, ya got to take into account that in anime just about everything regardless of how pointless it appears, almost always has some relevance down the road... take into account the way they buried zabuza with his sword the way it is, to some it may be trivial, but in a recent chapter it proved to be of some importance... just a thought.....Ancientanubis, talk 23:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really doubt Kishimoto planned that far ahead. It's more likely that he went through the early chapters one day looking for something he could reuse, and stumbled across Zabuza's sword. ~SnapperTo 03:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  The Akatsuki leader is not the fourth hokage. I have been doing research for a long time on this it must be someone Kishimoto as recently talked about like Madara Uchiha.Akatsuki0E 20:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  akatsuki leader? 4th hokage? 

message: I think he's correct. He once wielded a sword, and remember the scene where little Sasuke was watching Itachi practicing with kunai's. That I think is enough proof of significant taijutsu skills. Another thing, the night he killed his entire clan, he mutilated them using taijutsu, and not spamming amaterasu.
Another thing, when three members of the Uchiha speculated him as the murderer of his best friend, he unquestionably battled them using taijutsu. He did'nt used exploding bunshin, or Tsukuyomi, or pupil techniques, or other ninjutsu. They were clearly battered physically. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.105.76.237 (talk) 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We never see the battles, so we cannot assume that. No god-moding Itachi unless proof exists. What you have is conjecture. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Itachi is a genius, excelling in all fields.  This was stated as much in the series.  He might have specialized in genjutsu or whatever at some point in his development, but we should not assume that he is lacking in any fields unless we're told otherwise.   –Gunslinger47 04:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That we don't assume. We merely emphasize his use of the other two. Itachi's not much of a close-combat fighter unless he needs to be. Obviously, he'd be as skilled as any Jonin, perhaps moreso, but it's only noteworthy when you've got someone like Guy or the Hyuga clan. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Itachi is skilled in many areas. He isn't specifically a taijutsu user. We have seen him use both ninjutsu and genjutsu at a high level. Retlor 15:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: IRL, yes, but in Naruto it would fall under taijutsu. --tjstrf talk  01:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Firstly Hayate, Baki, Zabuza, Suigetsu, Kisame, Sasuke, Orochimaru, Itachi and Kakashi have all been shown using some form of sword. Secondly kenjutsu is ONE form of sword fighting among many. Thirdly, the databooks list character stats by Ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, intelligence, speed, power, stamina and hand seal knowledge. Which of those do you thing sword fighting fits under? So I, and common sense, and the databooks say that we call it taijutsu. Retlor 02:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Itachi: a taijutsu user? 

message: in the ninjutsu list, other media, where's the technique that itachi uses which somehow is very similar to kakashi's when he attempted to cut deidera's head and devour the explosion? in naruto shippuuden, itachi, under tsukuyumi aura, can use the same technique(PS 2) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.105.76.237 (talk) 04:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's genjutsu, every bit of it. No jutsu exists under that name. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 04:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 3rd power of Mangekyou sharingan: Susano - O? 

message: yo all, ik this is not akatsuki related but i was tryin 2 figure out what template gave the talk page the nice new location for the ToC as i am thinkin of incorporating it to another page i work on... thanks Ancientanubis, talk 23:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: does this only work on talk pages or can it work on other pages also??? Ancientanubis, talk 23:41, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: it appears that it only adds the "skip to table of contents" box on top, im also trying to move it over to the side because i think that it may help with the large article that has 42 sections as it'd help make the article flow better instead of havein the summary, the HUGE ToC then the rest of the article.... Ancientanubis, talk 23:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:58, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i dont see that on the page up top tho... Ancientanubis, talk 02:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Naruto/Archives. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: template

message: We might need to revisit this fact. He doesn't wear a headband period in the anime. At the very least, we'll need a better scan or something showing his headdband. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hmm... i've got all the manga burned on2 a disk somewhere around here... give me a min and i'll look....Ancientanubis, talk 20:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Can anyone find a better quality image than that? I don't see a headband or any evidence thereof in that pic. --Pentasyllabic 23:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that the anime never noticed, and hence didn't know to show his headband. It is equally possible that the image showing his headband was photoshopped and the accompanying explanation that his headband only appears in the tankōbon was a lie. In any event, the validity his headband will be seen in December when Viz's translation of volume 26 comes out, unless of course someone actually owns a Japanese copy of volume 26 and can tell us now. In the meantime, what to do about the article? ~SnapperTo 23:15, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my copy of volume 26, the volume in question, you can indeed see something that appears to be a Kusagakure headband. It was also present in the original SJ version. However, bear in mind that in the Hero Book, Kishimoto claims that Zetsu's village of origin is still unknown and that this instance is the only time we see anything resembling a headband on Zetsu. --JadziaLover 04:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blast, it is 26; my volumes are off by a chapter. In any event, what would you say is the likelihood that it is actually the Kusagakure headband? If it seems questionable, then so too is saying that Zetsu is from Kusagakure. ~SnapperTo 05:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well ya kno what, if ya look @ the pic ya see that he isn't wearin one there either.... well gang, i think we have a mystery on our hands.:P...Ancientanubis, talk 19:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's obvious that Kishimoto didn't intend for us to know Zetsu's village of origin (for certain) yet. Although the so-called headband in that frame might be a clue, it's 'officially' still unknown. JadziaLover 11:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why does it still say hes from the grass village well you'll probably never be able to change it with the way people act about edits --Zetsuie 19:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zetsu's village 

message: according to the data book, what are the character stats of Uchiha Itachi? please share... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.97.227.120 (talk) 09:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character stats of Uchiha Itachi 

message: where can I find the data book that you just said...? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.97.227.120 (talk) 08:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  itachi: a taijutsu user 

message: It seems pretty clear to me that the Leader doesn't really have any interest in bringing back Hidan's head based on the latest chapter. He just says "They've both been killed" when asked about Hidan and Kakuzu. I don't think Hidan has any more use for Akatsuki. The Splendiferous Gegiford 20:12, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the leader doesn't really say Hidan is killed. He uses a verb that can mean anything from "being attacked" to "being wounded" to "being defeated" to "being killed". It's rather ambiguous, as expected of the situation. --JadziaLover 00:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I tried to explain before is that the leader didn't use the verb . He used the verb . Hidan isn't dead. He can't die. However, he is as good as dead and it's obvious the Akatsuki aren't planning on retrieving his body or anything. This still doesn't mean his status should be changed to deceased. --JadziaLover 17:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving Hidan to Former Members now?

message: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13547
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/vol27.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=13548
On Zetsu first appearance, he is talking with his another personality, but looks like that the another personality is that eyes and month like in his chest...
:No, he just speaks in two voices. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:49, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zetsu 

message: ok so i changed this: 
The amount of chakra Kisame possesses is apparently very large, even by Akatsuki's standards. Their leader commented on this; a Kisame body-double at thirty-percent power – made with the leader's Shapeshifting Technique – had as much chakra as Naruto while drawing on demon fox's chakra when he fought Neji during the Chunin exams, an observation made by Neji Hyuga when he observed Kisame's body-double with his Byakugan.
to this:
The amount of chakra Kisame possesses is apparently very large, even by Akatsuki's standards. Their leader commented on this; a Kisame body-double at thirty-percent power – made with the leader's Shapeshifting Technique – had th most chakra neji has seen since naruto thus meaning that kisame has tons of chakra.
because he didnt say that he had as much chakra as naruto did while drwing on the demon fox's chakra that's just speculation —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jackjohnson15 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  changed 

message: um shouldent some one add what Tobi does in the newest chapter?
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter353mq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=41003
24.205.255.129 17:44, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pisses off Deidara?  This is new? :) –Gunslinger47 17:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tobis new apearence 

message: hi I was wondering waht chapter did
Zetsu eat Sasoris dead body?
p.s shouldent some one add that to the article? 
24.205.255.129 05:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is never shown.  Zetsu and Tobi recover Sasori's ring at the end of 280. –Gunslinger47 06:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  yummy puppet