Talk:Uwe Boll/Archive 1

message: To meet Wikipedia standards the following issues should be resolved:
*Weasel and Peacock words.  Although the article has come a long way it is still filled with leading sentences and filler words that do not add any real information to the article.
*Redundancy of information.  Sometimes the information in the article is printed twice.
*Unverified information.  Information is presented as fact, with no reference.  Some referenced information amounts to hearsay.  We don't need to summarize every critical article written about every director.
*Structure.  The article sprawls along, with poor structure and readability.
*Some of the article has a very personal voice, written by authors who believe that it is a fact that Uwe Boll is a bad director.  It is a fact that his movies have been poorly received by critics, audiences and video game fans.  It is not a fact that Uwe Boll is the worst director ever.  These editorials don't belong in Wikipedia.
*Parts of the page reference constantly shifting information (IMDB ratings etc) in order to document the poor response this director has received.  If we try to quote ratings on every director we will be providing innacurate information that requires massive upkeep.  I think it's enough to reference the sites, and make a general statement about the poor initial reception.
*Some links point to the wrong material.  Specifically Heart of America, points to an article about a song.  Testing all the links should be part of the cleanup.
*The article mentions the HSX TT boards several times but is never explained or linked. Can someone clarify what the HSX boards are?
Meekrob 20:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I'm not sure we can trust the source:
 http://movies.monstersandcritics.com
They posted an articled entitled Uwe Boll to direct Metal Gear Solid Film (http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1074318.php/Uwe_Boll_to_direct_Metal_Gear_Solid).  They point to another article which only states that Uwe claimed that he was approached about directing the film.  This leap of logic damages this sources credibility.  We use M&C as a source regarding the German Tax Shelter law, but it appears to be syndicated from "dpa - Deutsche Presse-Agentur".  As I can't find a better article, I say we keep it.  The fact that the law is indeed changing is referenced in a couple of Boll interviews too.
Most of these critic's sites need to be taken with a grain of salt, they are not journalistic organizations with standards, but are entertainment sites.
Meekrob 21:47, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Monsters and Critics dot com

message: If you search google news, all the articles about Metal Gear going to Uwe source http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=5550&Template=newsfull , the text of which reads:
Dr. Boll Now people are coming to me with metal gear solid. They wrote a script, and Konami basically paid these people to write it. And I hope that Metal Gear Solid will be working.
Hunter Daniels : Do you want to do make Metal Gear Solid?
Dr. Boll: yea, absolutely. And especially with the Doom situation. I think we could do it a lot better…its one of the top five of all time.''
So Boll isn't making Metal Gear.  He wants to.  He wanted Doom too.  I can't find any evidence that Boll is in a bidding war for the rights either.  I'm deleting that information from the article.
-Hideo Kojima recently said that Uwe Boll will "Absolutely not." be directing Metal Gear Solid. All Hail Kojima! Pope Guilty 22:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Metal Gear

message: Where are the interviews mentioned as this rumour source (regarding Fallout) available? --Silencer 23:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I saw somebody asking for an RfC on this article. 
I have never seen a Uwe Boll movie. I have no personal opinion on his films, and of all the games he has based movies on, I played Alone in the Dark (the original) on a friend's computer once back in 1993 or thereabouts. Maybe '94 or '95.
IMHO, the article uses weasel words to beat the band.
I see there are some people who have very strong opinions about Boll's films in this Talk page. But even though your opinions are so strong that they SEEM "self-evident" as facts, they're not. Nor is blithely saying that his films are hated by a lot of people NPOV without significant cites.
When considering NPOV, think of somebody who (like me) has never seen a Boll film or spent any time reading reviews of his movies by established third-party reviewers. Is the Wikipedia entry going to scan like a neutral piece, or like a rant? At the moment, it has lots of rantlike qualities.
Suggestion: those of you in the strong anti-Boll camp should spend less time editing this page, and more time finding quotes and facts from third-party sources. Pull-quote a few words of an Ebert review and out-link it, for instance. 
You CAN'T just say "many people hate his films" or "most critics hate his films" without linking to factual back-up. Similarly, the whole section on how he may or may not use German tax loopholes to fund his movies is POV and potentially libellous without significant external sourcing of where this information comes from. 
Again: no opinion on Boll's films, don't much care about video games. I'm not defending the man. I'm sure he makes crap movies. But you need to rely on OTHER people saying he makes crap movies before painting with this broad brush. MattShepherd 19:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Responding to RfC 

message: *Firstly, there needs to be a reference to the DVD commentary on Alone in the Dark - too much mention is made to it, with nothing to back it up.
*the sections: writings and education should be merged into The Director section, and maybe this should be retitled Biography or something
*most of "financing" should be removed - especially the ramble about the german tax shelter.  this should be  changed to something like  "While Boll has received a lot of negative publicity regarding this funding method, he was actually one of the few directors to use the tax shelter as intended.  Many American companies take advantage of a loophole in the law, regarding the definition of a film as german.  In January 2006 German legislature was changed to prevent this occuring, but Boll will not be affected"  with appropriate references.
*finally the criticsim section should be almost completely scrapped - much of it is specific criticism which belongs more to the movie pages.  A brief summary of criticisms, with references (eg reviews), and links to his movie page.  As it is, this section is indulgently long, and basically a rant by an anti-Boll guy, trying a little to seem impartial. Wapatista 11:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note of kudos to the people responsible for recent changes in this page. It's good to see another case of users finally rallying to create a great article. Gspawn 20:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvments 

message: I removed the 'Dr.' from Dr. Uwe Boll. It was starting to piss me off. My reasons were not NPOV, but I think ultimately the article hasn't lost anything integrity. If anything, it only reflects on my pettiness. HiS oWn 05:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: small edit

message: "Uwe Boll mentioned in an interview with EuroGamer that "his movies get better as his career progresses". This definatly seems to be the case with each movie that he bases on a game get a higher rating every time he makes one. His latest upcoming film "In the Name of A King Dungeon Siege has an average prediction rating of 3.7 out of 10 gathered from 59 votes in the IMBD thread "Predict IMDb Rating". If this trend continues as it has done in the past with his other films that were not based on games that he directed, for instance German Fried Movie in 1991 only got 1.7 out of 10 but his movies continued to get higher and higher scores until 2003 where his film "Heart of America" got 5.4 out of ten, then there is definatly alot of potential for Uwe Boll to create high rating epic movies based on games."
This paragraph is speculative, rambling, and POVed—not to mention severely grammatically lacking and full of typos. It also jumps abruptly from the relatively neutral, balanced tone of the rest of the section into a more casual, rhetorically-loaded style, with a lot of unnecessary and inaccurate use of hyperbolic phrases like "This definatly [sic] seems to be the case" and "there is definatly [sic] alot of potential for Uwe Boll to create high rating epic movies". It should probably be removed, or at least completely rewritten. -Silence 03:28, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we'll just wait a few years and Uwe will only be making masterpieces that everyone will adore and single-handedly create a ground-breaking new definition of movies for the 21st century. 惑乱 分からん 17:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious paragraph

message: Uwe Boll doesn't deserve to produce movies. In my opinion he is one of the worst movie directors to grace this earth. He's already ruined potentialy great films like BloodRayne and Alone In The Dark by turning them into dumb, pointless action films. Now he is going to ruin Farcry, a game-to-film adaptation that has great potential. He'll turn it into a dumb, pointless action film like the rest of his movies. IMDB has already got a predition score of 3 out of 10 for Farcry. Now if I wrote the script and directed Farcry, it would be a masterpeice. I'm not joking either.
:If Mr. Boll has proved anything, it's that the ratio of bad game-based movies to good game-based movies is about 5 to 1. It won't change, and likely wouldn't change if someone else directed Far Cry. Boll gets the movie rights for games because no on else wants them, and if by any chance someone else bought the rights, they would probably be a horrible director too. The lesson? Games and movies should stay seperate. End of story. Willpower 00:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uwe Boll Should be banned from making movies 

message: I added a bunch of requests for citation to this page, but I'm also concerned about the growing quotes section. Anyone want to help move it to Wikiquote? --InShaneee 15:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations 

message: There are currently two petitions on petitiononline.com regarding Uwe Boll to my knowledge, i think these should be included in the article in some way as they show the amount of anger this man causes amongst many:
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/fcmovie/
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/RRH53888/
:No, petions are biased and have nothing to do with Uwe himself. --InShaneee 19:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petitiononline.com 

message: I can find no reputable source that Uwe Boll has been signed to direct Bond 22, so am removing this. 23skidoo 15:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just another in a long stream of unsourced directorial claims. --InShaneee 16:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bond 22

message: The article currently says that in "House of the Dead", there is "not much connecting" to the video game "except for a subtle game reference in the end of the movie." Yet, the movie uses footage of the video game to transition between scenes. Which, of course, is a mark of film directing genius. Any thoughts on changing this? colby b. 03:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about adding something to the tune of 'except for some footage taken directly from the game itself'? --InShaneee 03:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: House of the Dead references

message: Section heading says it all... The German article about Boll has a filmography of all his stuff... 22:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article could use a filmography 

message: I could be reporting old news due to this very full discussion page, but here's a link to a CinemaBlend article about the man, including much things already said about him, but with some interesting speculation I hadn't seen before.
I don't see it here, but should it be mentioned that one of his films, Heart of America, has actually gained positive reviews? At least compared to the rest of his work. Indeed, there seems to be amezement and disbelief, that it's a movie by this particular director.
--Anshelm '77 23:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  From CinemaBlend 

message: Removed this stupid and pointless jab at Boll, my reasoning can be read on the talk page for House of the Dead (film)--HannuMakinen 16:57, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual House 

message: I have put this page up for Semi-protection because of repeated vandalism from IP 66.190.247.14 and 69.197.157.109 on August 7th 2006. Valoem talk 19:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was several days ago...I see little need to protect now. --InShaneee 19:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protection 

message: Nowhere on the internet does it say that Uwe Boll might be directing the upcoming Captain America movie. I will be forced to delete that statement unless someone shows prove of this with a source!!!
*Trolls like this should henceforth be deleted on sight. -TheHande 08:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain America Movie 

message: As part of Wikiproject Computer and Video Games, we're creating an offline magazine archive at Wikipedia:WikiProject Computer and video games/Magazines in which users can request magazine scans of articles to use as sources in Wikipedia.
As of writing there is an article on Boll available in a recent edition of Games TM.  Just contact the user associated with this article (in this case me) if you're interested in using the scan to further development of the Uwe Boll article. - Hahnchen 15:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Uwe Boll]] interview and magazine article available 

message: A video of a boxing match with a critic is available here : http://kotaku.com/gaming/boxing/clips-uwe-boll-beats-up-critic-in-boxing-match-198932.php
24.61.73.156 00:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxing Match 

message: Can anyone find the original press release that announced the boxing challenge? I'm no fan of Uwe Boll's, but I'm pretty sure the original press release stated pretty specifically that it was not a joke, they would be real fights and Uwe Boll would really be trying to win. Certainly there was nothing about it that lead Dan Morris of PC Gamer to believe otherwise when we discussed his intent to apply to the matches on the PC Gamer podcast. If we can find it and this is true, I think Lowtax's comments should probably be removed under the Biograpy of Living Persons Act of 2002 or whatever it's called which says you can't say mean things about living people or even discuss them. 204.69.40.7 11:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press Release 

message: Could anyone how really knows how to say his name put up some IPA codes in there for us? ☢ Ҡi∊ff⌇↯ 16:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not good with IPA, but last I heard it was pronounced OO-vay. --InShaneee 18:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name pronunciation