Talk:Ride of the Valkyries

message: How is the Ride of the Valkyries known in German? -- Itai 14:46, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Walkürenritt.  I'm not German, but that is what I'm able to find using the German wikipedia and google. --hans 15:11, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've added this to the article. -- Itai 20:44, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: In German?

message: "Ride of the Valkyries (German Walkürenritt) is probably the best known piece by Richard Wagner."
The best-known piece from the Ring, maybe, but only the second-best of all his works? Surely the Bridal Chorus is his best-known piece? Eroica 15:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wagner's best-known piece? 

message: And who can forget that cartoons used classical music to expose the nations children to a bit of culture.  Elmer Fudd singing 'Kill the wabbit... kill the wabbit', Bugs Bunny as Barber of Seville... the list goes on...
*It's cheaper to use public domain music, of course. If Rossini and Wagner had been around, they would have gotten a piece of the action. Wahkeenah 14:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kill The Wabbit 

message: I realize Apocalypse Now is not the ideal source for the front-page pic, but it was currently empty and I couldn't find any classical paintings of the Valkyries. Would appreciate help from any wikipedians who can provide one. Thanks User: Alexs letterbox for fixing my first attempt. Liu Bei 06:49, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pic 

message: Do we need to include a small (or whole) section of the song for reference, like oh, the US National Anthem? I have the song as I'm sure many of you do, could it be uploaded?
Also: The British motoring orginization the RAC found the Ride of the Valkyries the worst song to drive to. Is that not important in some way?  Gary Jules Mad world was the best. 
User:Dfrg.msc  09:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To the first point, there is a link to Gutenberg Audio. To the second, no, it is not important, being an entirely useless piece of information I do not think it is important. --Alexs letterbox 06:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song, very bad to drive to

message: Does anyone know for sure if this song is in the public domain? Would it be helpful to add whether or not it is to the entry?
:This piece (or even more pedantically: excerpt) was written in the 19th century, and is obviously PD. It would be useless to label every piece written before the 20th century PD. --Alexs letterbox 09:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public domain? 

message: The article currently states that "In a Nazi propaganda film, as the background to a film displaying German planes in flight.". I've been unable to find any sources for this. However,  (if you have JSTOR, it's available at ) states that: In the 1942 Japanese film celebrating the attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawai Marei Oki Kaisen Kaisen (The War at Sea from Hawaii to Malaya), Wagner's 'Ride of the Valkyries' is heard as the planes release their bombs, prefiguring Apocalypse Now. See Daniels, 'Japanese Domestic Radio and Cinema Propaganda', 1937-1945, 311-12. I believe the referenced work is part of "Film and Radio Propaganda in World War II". Anyone mind if we switch Nazi to Japanese? It'd be great if anyone had access to first sources so we can reference Daniels directly. -- Woseph 18:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi or Japanese propaganda 

message: While I favour the idea of an artcle based on Ride of the Valkyries in popular culture there is also a well filled section here so either that entry gets merged in here or the content here gets moved over there. As it stands that would leave this entry a little on the thin side. The bottom line is that something needs doing and the simples thing, for now, would seem to be merging the other entry into here. (Emperor 19:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ROTVIPC is IMO an awful article, full of meaningless and unimportant information. However, one cannot expect great things from an article on a three minute excerpt from a four hour opera, and it does make more sense to include everything under the same banner. --Alexs letterbox 04:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would favour removing all the popular culture stuff that's here to Ride of the Valkyries in popular culture, putting a link to the latter under a See also heading, and then removing any duplication there.  That will reunite the musical examples at the bottom with the actual para about the Ride itself, reduce the number of categories here, and let people put whatever they want in the IPC article. There are plenty of precedents for having a separate popular culture article - see, for example, Beethoven's Fifth Symphony in popular culture and Johannes Brahms in film and popular culture. --GuillaumeTell 16:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would favour this appraoch - I know from experience of other sections that such "in popular culture" sections tend to work better as a separate entity as they make the editors of the main entry less 'nervous'. Would this leave this entry too small though? Conversely looking at Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven) one could argue that there is a lot of room for expanding this entry and that the IPC material is stiffling it and moving it to its own entry will encourage people to expand it with more information. (Emperor 17:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Beethoven's 5th is a longer and more complex work in four movements.  The Ride of the Valkyries, while somewhat longer than the 3 minutes mentioned by Alexs above, doesn't have all that much more to be said about it than there is at present.  Maybe a picture of an appropriate excerpt from the score? --GuillaumeTell 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The length is as variable as the arranger (indeed, the morning announcer on ABC Classic FM always stops his CD at a different spot when playing this piece). I suppose I would like the popular culture section to be as far removed from the actual music as possible. --Alexs letterbox 02:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my recordings of Die Walküre, it takes between 7 1/2 minutes and 9 minutes.  Anyway, I've now removed all the popular culture stuff to the other article, per WP:BOLD. --GuillaumeTell 15:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I replaced "[...] he describes a series of events near Memel (now Klaipeda, the capital of Lithuania) [...]" with "[...] he describes a series of events near Memel (now Klaipeda, a coastal city of Lithuania) [...]". The capital of Lithuania is Vilnius >^_^<
Charly —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.54.164.63 (talk) 21:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Klaipeda 

message: If I remember correctly, The theme song to that TV show is a selection from ride of the valkyries with lyrics added.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGufyFt6zQc&feature=related
is this the case, and should it be mentioned?
--72.196.0.51 (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In popular culture sections are contentious at best and are normally just a collection of all the useless bits of information that couldn't find a place in the rest of the article. In this case I have heard of the TV show, and I personally would not consider it an important use of the music. Regards --Alexs letterbox (talk) 00:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where on earth is carmen sandiego? 

message: Could the following idea be included? "The Valkyries ride around on horses, leaping great distances from cloud to cloud - it is this leaping that the music depicts"
Lawrence18uk (talk) 21:36, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would need a quote from Wagner to justify this.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical Motif 

message: Why is this under the category Military marches?  It's not a march; the meter is 3, not 2 or 4.  140.147.236.194 (talk) 14:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category--Military marches? 

message: Usually, Wikipedia articles start with a sentence defining the article. The first sentence of this article (as of 19th Jan 2010) is this
"The Ride of the Valkyries (German: Walkürenritt) is the popular term for the beginning of Act III of Die Walküre by Richard Wagner."
It is a poor description. It doesn't even say it is a piece of music. It could have easily be misunderstood as a novel. Or play. Or even painting (thx to the illustration). To put it simply, the first sentence makes no sense to anybody who hasn't heard of "Die Walküre" before. A better one would be something like this.
"The Waltz in D flat major, Op. 64, No. 1, popularly known as the "Minute Waltz" is a waltz for solo piano by Frédéric Chopin."
-- Minute Waltz
I don't know much about the topic and is in no position to make much amendments, so I hope someone with better understanding give it a better heading. — owl order (talk) 01:01, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've amended it to say "Die Walküre, an opera by Richard Wagner".  Or it could say "the second of the four operas by Richard Wagner that comprise Der Ring des Nibelungen". --GuillaumeTell 14:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a lot better. Cheers =D.  — owl order (talk) 23:10, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, assuming that that means that you prefer the second version, I've amended it again so that it's even more explicit. You were quite right to raise this point.  --GuillaumeTell 00:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Is this live performance sufficiently consequential to be mentioned here?
I personally am finding it farcical.
We could have a real listing of real performances by real conductors on real occasions.
To me, this belongs in Pop Cult.
Varlaam (talk) 21:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who Prom 

message: Why is Daniel Bryan using this song as his entrance theme irrelevant? Millions of people watch every week Bryan making his way to the ring to this song. Plus, on the page to "The Final Countdown", it is noted that Bryan used that song as his theme. So where's the difference? --79.204.75.12 (talk) 22:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unsourced trivia and not relevant to this topic. We have an established consensus to not include this sort of item, especially when not cited to reliable third party references.  - Ahunt (talk) 23:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Even with a source it is only non-trivial to the article about Daniel Bryan, it is not relevant to this article. If you add every usage of this piece of music to this article all you would have is a trivia list and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, we don't have lists of trivia, by policy WP:TRIVIA. - Ahunt (talk) 17:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Please see the above section "In popular culture" section. If you would like to reopen this issue to create a new consensus to include this text then please feel free to do so, otherwise the existing consensus stands not to include this. - Ahunt (talk) 14:46, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

text: The issue is not exclusively about professional wrestling. If you look at the previous versions of the article, the section was littered with pop culture references in everything from video games and television. Almost all of them were uncited and trivial. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The WWE has suffered - partially by its own doing - a very much beleaguered profile in the media and popular culture for many years.  Nonetheless, it is an irrefutable fact that the use of "Ride of the Valkyries" has, to the minds of many, been introduced to them as a result of following the WWE in general, and Daniel Bryan in particular.  The very fact that Bryan has warranted a section on this very talk page - beyond the more general discussion of of ROTV in pop. culture just above it - debating the issue of whether to include him in the popular culture section could itself be considered grounds to add him to the page. And if it's a verified third party source you're looking for, why go further than the WWE itself? The official website hosts the official video right here: http://www.wwe.com/videos/daniel-bryan-entrance-video-26131914.  Morogth (talk) 22:50, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

text: Rather than hurling insults at people you disagree with please read WP:AGF and WP:NPA. Wikipedia is hardly a holy book. Otherwise I still think that including this would be WP:TRIVIA. Should it be mentioned on Brian Daniels page, sure. Should it be mentioned here, no. - Ahunt (talk) 18:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevance of Daniel Bryan 

message: "The "Ride of the Valkyries" (German: Walkürenritt or Ritt der Walküren) is the popular term for the beginning of act 3 of Die Walküre, the second of the four operas by Richard Wagner that constitute Der Ring des Nibelungen."
They're  NOT the same; Wagner has, as with many an opera composer, moved things around for concert performance. This is simply inaccurate... Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:43, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy of the first line 

message: I'm not sure what happened but the recording on this page claims it was recorded in 1921 by the American Symphony Orchestra. However, if you simply click on the link to the American Symphony Orchestra it states it was founded in 1962. I may be missing something but it just doesn't add up. Maxwell6299 (talk) 04:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The name "American Symphony Orchestra" may have been used more than once, for quite different orchestras. Not a hard thing to imagine with such a generic name. 83.251.170.27 (talk) 11:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recording 

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replies: text: - the provided archive URL was not a good one, so I have fixed it with an earlier version that confirms as working. - Ahunt (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Substituted at 04:27, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: How notable does something have to be to include in the Outside Opera section?  It seems that WP:Notable is for articles, not for entries in a small list in an article. Gah4 (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As User:Ahunt wrote in his edit summary, the Caltech performance is an experience for very few people, so its impact is limited. However, I agree with User:Gah4 that the events currently mentioned in the article ought to be trimmed further to those which actually generated coverage that mentioned the Ride as a significant element. The current sourcing is poor, especially for What's Opera, Doc? which cites a Wikipedia mirror, a definite fail, but the others are not much better. I suggest to remove the whole section per WP:IPC. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The piece is music is very well known and it is probably played in hundreds of places everyday, most of them not public. It may be notable enough to include playing it at CalTech dorms in the article on CalTech, but overall it is not notable to the overall history of the piece of music. Any public performance of the piece would be more notable than playing in a college dorm and it has been publicly played tens of thousands of times. We aren't going to list them all here, however. As far as Google search hits go, please see WP:GOOGLEHITS. - Ahunt (talk) 12:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

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