Talk:Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson/Archive 1

message: The amount of detailed criticism in the body of the article seems highly disproportionate in length and heavily POV, so I'm suggesting removing them until they can be summarised. While these criticisms may be legitimate, the article contains little if any rebuttal, and for this reason the article as it stands does not meet a good article standard.
Mostlyharmless
:Freud’s epigons hate Masson, who has written one of the most searing exposés of psychoanalysis: “Final Analysis” .  I fully agree with Mostlyharmless so I tried to balance a bit the biased article with a paragraph with a referent to Masson’s web site. However, the article still needs a lot of NPOV correction!  —Cesar Tort 02:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attacks on Masson

message: The only way that occurs to me to immediately make the article NPOV is to delete the Malcolm’s court case affair.  It is not really germane to Masson’s critical work on psychoanalysis, much less to his humanitarian work on animals —Masson’s bestsellers!
Similarly, the article’s paragraph on Masson’s The Assault on Truth was totally biased against Masson (and contained self-reference to Ferenczi).  There were two ways to make it NPOV: to present Masson’s case or to reduce it to a minimum.  Provisionally I chose the later.  If anyone wants to revert the complete paragraph, a balancing paragraph should be added as well.  
Of course, after my deletions the short article is even shorter.  It needs to be expanded (Masson’s very important books, Against Therapy and Final Analysis are not even mentioned in the text!).  I’ll try to do it in the future but for the moment I just want to get rid of the NPOV tag.  —Cesar Tort 05:54, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion 

message: "I rarely lose my temper, but at this rudeness, and after listening to Kriegel's illiterate seminars over several weeks, I could no longer control myself. I jumped up, clenched my fists, and confronted him. You haven’t taught us a thing. You have no business teaching at all, you miserable, ignorant fool."  (page 111, FINAL ANALYSIS). This is fun, I enjoyed this story, made me laugh with pleasure.
I wonder whether Freud has ever written anything about emotions.88.73.22.241 20:32, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To understand the Vienna quack’s lack of empathy toward his clients, besides Masson’s books you may take a look at Thomas Szasz’s Anti-Freud and The Myth of Psychotherapy.  Also, the first critical biography of Freud is now available: Louis Berger’s Freud: Darkness in the Midst of Vision —stupendous readings! —Cesar Tort 22:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked for the book of Breger at Amazon, see what they have written about it:  88.73.22.241 20:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Do you know that Masson wrote an entire book against gurus of any sort?  —Cesar Tort 01:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you talking about this one My Father's Guru: A Journey Through Spirituality and Disillusion?
Austerlitz 07:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Masson says that there are no perfect gurus, and that socalled gurus are authoritarian by nature, so to speak. But in this book he also refers to the fact that his mother later on had a guru of her own, his name was John Levy and Masson doesn't say anything critical about that guy in this book.
Austerlitz 17:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotions and Truth 

message: User 88.73.59.55: Please sign all of your comments in this talk page by typing four tildes (~).  Thank you!—Cesar Tort 18:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: O.k., for future. (I've signed an old one and now it seems to be written today, after your recommendation of certain books.) 88.73.22.241 20:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! You may try also to indent your entries. --Cesar Tort 21:58, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please sign 

message: I presume the content in parenthesis in the following quote is not actually in the book: "the one I had written with my wife, Terri, and which Schiffer [Masson's abusive analyst] had claimed as his"
The term "abusive" appears to be editorialising and is potentially libelous unless his analyst was convicted of abuse (unlikely, i would imagine). Therefore, i'm removing the term unless someone confirm it is in the book or can provide  reliable third party evidence that his analyst was abusive. Rockpocket 00:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parentheses 

message: Thanks for attempting to address those requests, Cesar. However, i don't feel you addressed my concerns fully:
* "Masson's psychoanalytic practice was not very successful" - we need a reliable source that states this, otherwise who judges what is successful?
::I can delete that opening phrase (which BTW I didn’t write it). —Cesar Tort 08:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My grammar was imprecise. I meant that Eissler appointed him while Eissler was still alive (he was already very old). —Cesar Tort 08:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I didn’t write it and will modify the sentence. —Cesar Tort 08:08, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I now think we may leave this last sentence as it is.  It is a very well known fact in the analytic community that Eissler was bombarded by dozens of telephone calls from all over the analytic world when his protégée, Masson, did the pronunciations against Freud in the New Yorker. —Cesar Tort 08:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, i'll take your word for it. However, such content really should relate to a secondary source. Others, in the future, may delete it as unencyclopaedic editorialising without one. Rockpocket 08:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation requests 

message: "As Masson recounts in Final Analysis, word of his controversial position reached the New Yorker Magazine, and after Masson was interviewed by a reporter his theories were published in the New Yorker to the dismay of the psychoanalytic establishment."
Austerlitz 88.72.1.135 05:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you should request a citation by typing  after the sentence in the article. If the author cannot provide a source proving it, then you may delete it. If you have definative evidence that is not true, then provide it here and change it immediately. Rockpocket 05:31, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll think about it. Austerlitz 88.72.1.142 20:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text:  I've changed part of it. Austerlitz 88.72.2.188 19:10, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for those citations, i have added them to the article. Rockpocket 19:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Welcome, and thanks, too, you've found a good place for this article of Ralph Blumenthal.
Austerlitz 88.72.2.132 07:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This is not true

message: Quoting Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson:
By shifting the emphasis from a real world of sadness, misery and cruelty to an internal stage on which actors performed invented dramas for an invisible audience of their own creation, Dr. Masson said at Yale, Freud began a trend away from the real world that, it seems to be, has come to a dead halt in the present-day sterility of psychoanalysis throughout the world. 
(source: the above linked articles of Blumenthal)
Austerlitz 88.72.2.188 19:00, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Truth and Reality in Psychoanalysis

message: Nowadays there is a strong beliefsystem holding to the belief that there are many different truths, nothing else.
It's like blind people surrounding an elephant from their own viewpoint, one saying he has a tusk, the other one saying he has a tail and the last one -a dwarf without arms and legs- saying that there is only void.
Austerlitz 88.72.2.132 07:48, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern Truth about Elephants (for example)

message: Hi Austerlitz.  I see you are still inserting quotations here in the talk page.  As soon as this page reaches a certain size all of our talking here will be removed (and archived).  
By the way, I see you placed brackets around the word Tuesday in the article.  I claim no expertise on wiki-etiquette but I guess it’s unnecessary.  
Also, the words “successfully combining old wisdom...” may sound pov to some editors.  Whether we like it or not I have heard that encyclopedic language must be dry. —Cesar Tort 00:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I claim no expertise but... 

message: Burston writes here that Erich Fromm has been part of what he calls Freud's "loyal opposition" .
*I wonder what he thinks that to be, what might be the difference between "loyal opposition" and "illoyal (?) opposition".
Austerlitz 88.72.1.142 20:06, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Loyal Opposition"

message: How is it realized? Do members have to take an oath on certain convictions? that they will stick to them even if they are not true?
On the Website of IPA you can read: 
The IPA is the world’s primary accrediting and regulatory body for psychoanalysis. Our mission is to assure the continued vigour and development of psychoanalysis for the benefit of psychoanalytic patients. We work in partnership with our 70 constituent organizations in 33 countries to support our 11,500 Members.
Our aims include creating new psychoanalytic groups, stimulating debate, conducting research, developing training policies and establishing links with other bodies. We organize a large biennial Congress which is open to all  Austerlitz 88.72.1.200 18:24, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Besides ''membership policy'' there must be some beliefsystem, sort of "core of Psychoanalysis"

message: To the world at large, Eissler is known only as the guileless analyst who was betrayed and sued by his protege Jeffrey Masson. This is quotation from her article in The New York Times about Eissler.
I don't have any idea why she hated Masson. But she did hate him, as it seems to me. Austerlitz 88.72.2.186 21:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Austerlitz. If Daniel allows it, we may discuss these issues in his forum (as we have discussed there Alice Miller issues that do not relate to improving the wiki article). —Cesar Tort 02:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Janet Malcolm

message: I liked visiting Eissler in his home in New York. His office was a delight to me: completely buried in papers, articles, and books. What mattered most for me and seemingly for Eissler during my visits was that we got to sit in his office and talk psychoanalytic history. It is hard for me now, from this distance, and with all that has happened in between, to recapture the mood it put me in, but there is no doubt that I was completely absorbed. I felt, rightly, that I had a great deal to learn from Eissler, and I was a good and willing pupil. Somehow, too, it seemed "significant", something that had always been lacking in my life when I was a professor of Sanskrit. Eissler and I could move, on one sentence, from some obscure topic in the history of psychoanalysis to the nature of fear.Why, I asked him, did people seem to seek out situations that actually terrified them? "Ah", he would say, "you are asking for the source of counterphobia. Did I ever show you the unpublished discussion of this by Fenichel? Or when I would talk about my analytic training, and what I considered wrong with it, he would pull out the minutes of the New York Psychoanalytical Society from the early sixties, its heyday,and read with evident pleasure the eccentric comments by Isakower. (pages 121,122 Final Analysis).
:hello Cesar, this quotation is going to improve the article, sooner or later. Austerlitz 88.72.3.60 07:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've quoted some more phrases to make better understand how much Masson enjoyed the dialogue with Eissler. Austerlitz 88.72.4.51 14:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Austerlitz.  As you see, the quotations have been archived in both the article and in this talk page.  It’s unnecessary to quote from the Malcolm affair.  Also, instead of doing lots of minor copyedits in article, could you just copy and paste the entire document to your word processor (and do all the changes in a single move)?  That way I won’t need to check step by step all of the recent changes :) Cesar Tort 01:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you want to check step by step all of the recent changes, Cesar? Ave* Austerlitz 88.72.1.120 05:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If you have in mind lots of minor edits for the same article the same day, it saves me a lot of work if you do them at once so I don’t have to review them step by step :) Cesar Tort 00:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Today I asked the same favor to other user: User talk:Svartulfr1 :) Cesar Tort 14:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Masson about Eissler

message: He did not leave them actually but he was told by a letter that he was no longer a member "since we have not received payment of your dues for the last three months," (Final Analysis, Page 204.) Austerlitz 88.72.12.229 16:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Loss of membership in the Psychoanalytical organizations he belonged to

message: nothing to do with Masson  Austerlitz 88.72.1.148 09:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There is an indian film called final solution

message: In November, 2003, Ballantine (Random House) reprinted three of Jeffrey's books:  Assault on Truth, My Father's Guru, and Final Analysis, all with new prefaces. Austerlitz 88.72.6.211 14:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz 88.72.4.240 10:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New editions reprinted in 2003

message: *Empty Cages: Facing the Challenge of Animal Rights by Tom Regan, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson, Rowman & Littlefield Publishers (Februar 2004), 
*The Cat Who Came in from the Cold (Wheeler Hardcover), Largeprint (2nd of march 2005), 
*Beauty in the Beasts: True Stories of Animals Who Choose to Do Good , by Kristin Von Kreisler , Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson, Jeremy P. Tarcher, Publisher, (May 2001), 
*Vegetarians and Vegans in America Today: American Subcultures, by Karen Iacobbo, Michael Iacobbo, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson, Praeger Publishers Inc.,U.S. (30. Juni 2006), 
*The Compassion of Animals: True Stories of Animal Courage and Kindness, by Kristin Von Kreisler, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson, Prima Publishing,U.S. (January 1999), 
*Why Buffalo Dance: Animal and Wilderness Meditations Through the Seasons, Susan Chernak McElroy, Tracy Pitts, Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson , New World Library; Edition: 1st (Oktober 2006), 
To these (and some other) books Masson has written forwords.
Austerlitz 88.72.4.240 09:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some more of Masson's books

message: Who is she? Good question.
Austerlitz -- 88.72.13.133 06:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you mean "Which is it (the psychoanalytic community)?" —Cesar Tort 11:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I wanted to say: which psychoanalytic community? Is there one homogeneous group sharing the same point of view? -- 88.72.10.186 12:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.15.56 08:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.15.56 08:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The psychoanalytic community 

message: I am not sure whether you like that quotation I've inserted or not. But: before deleting it -in case you want to- please tell me why.
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.1.5 07:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cesar 

message: * There are a few critical remarks towards Masson and Freud's "Seduction theory". As soon as I have got the impact of his idea, I am going to insert it. Of course - anybody who can do it right now- can do it.
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.14.217 07:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.0.166 21:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burston 

message: Jewish people are said to descend from their mothers -symbollically speaking of course. So why not mention Diana Masson and her ancestors, too?
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.31.98 10:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.8.226 09:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relatives 

message: Does anybody know?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.91.245 (talk) 21:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.91.245 (talk) 22:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.13.246 (talk) 10:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of birth 

message: Hi Austerlitz.  As explained several times in the archived talk page, this page is to discuss relevant proposed changes for the article; not a place for monologues or endless quotations.  I will be archiving all irrelevant posts in Talk:Jeffrey Moussaieff Masson/Archive 1. 
This said, thanks for your continuing efforts in improving the Jeffrey Masson article, which I believe is one of the most important of psychology articles. ―Cesar Tort 18:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: will be archiving…

message: Cesar, has this been you? Congratulations, well done!
Best wishes for a happy Year 2007,
:Austerlitz 88.72.26.238 13:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Improvement

message: * "He has two children. Ilan (10) and Manu (5)"
I think the ages should be removed. Who will be staring at this article eternally to change the ages every time one of this kids has a happy birthday? 
BTW, Masson has just read this article and he has told me thru email: "You did a good job!  Best, Jeff". 
"You" are, of course, all editors involved in the improvement of this article.
—Cesar Tort 19:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ages of children 

message: Masson in his book "My Father's Guru" says that the family of his father has been of sephardic origin. Why did you change this to mizrahi? Austerlitz -- 88.72.22.230 (talk) 00:27, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mizrahi]] and [[Sephardic]] 

message: I question the neutrality of the point of view in the section Reaction of psychoanalytic community: "Daniel Burston ... states ... a single etiological hypotheses [sic, is this a misspelling? one hypothesis, multiple hypotheses] ... Burston misunderstands [and goes on to repeat the misspelling]." 
From what point of view does the editor say "Burton misunderstands"? I see citation needed at the beginning of this section and think another citation might be needed for these several sentences quoted here. 
Additionally, it is interesting that Ana Freud, famously protective of her father's reputation, allowed Masson to edit Freud's letters after he had been removed from his position at the archives. Time permitting, I will attempt to follow-up on this. 
Dbm014 (talk) 20:28, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of neutrality is not the only problem. The sentence 'Burston misunderstands that this has not been a matter of a single "etiological hypotheses" only but a decision about memory talking from experience or memory deriving from fantasy (which does not include real perpetrators)' seems muddled. It isn't clear to me what its author is trying to say. It should be either re-written or deleted. Skoojal (talk) 07:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality questioned  

message: Doctor Jeffrey Masson
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.83.135 (talk) 20:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.83.135 (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To be inserted? 

message: The phrase: "The problem is my truth is not your truth." given with quotationmarks in the text does not coincide with what J.M. Masson has said in the interview, according to my perception.
I think it is best to quote what he can be heard to have said. Therefore I have to listen to the text another time.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.65.36 (talk) 07:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotation 

message: Masson says that from talk with Alexandra David-Neel there is a lengthy transcription. I wonder why it has not been published?
(hi Jeffrey, just do it) Austerlitz -- 88.72.29.169 (talk) 10:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview with Hillary 

message: Daniel Burston for example states that "Masson mistakenly argues that the validity of psychoanalysis hinges on a single etiological hypotheses -- namely, the seduction theory." Freud, the Serpent and the Sexual Enlightenment of Children/DANIEL BURSTON  Burston misunderstands that this has not been a matter of a single "etiological hypotheses" only but a decision about memory talking from experience or memory deriving from fantasy (which does not include real perpetrators).
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.89.201 (talk) 08:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Removed poorly worded criticism" 

message: # 1986. A Dark Science: Women, Sexuality and Psychiatry in the Nineteenth Century. , last edition 1988, (no German translation available)
# 1988. Against Therapy: Emotional Tyranny and the Myth of Psychological Healing.  (German translation available)
# 1990. Final Analysis: The Making and Unmaking of A Psychoanalyst. Addison-Wesley. , new edition 2003, (no German translation available)
What is the reason? Why is it?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.72.39 (talk) 08:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No German translations 

message: *T.G. Vaidyanathan & Jeffrey J. Kripal (editors): VISHNU ON FREUD'S DESK : A Reader in Psychoanalysis and Hinduism, Oxford University Press
, Paperback (Edition: 2003) Table of Contents
There is a chapter written by Masson: Part Five: Psychoanalytic Approaches to Hindu Mysticism, Myth and Ritual 	233
10.	Sex and Yoga: Psychoanalysis and the Indian Religious Experience J.M. Masson
How to insert it?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.196.4 (talk) 10:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other writing 

message: Skoojal: Please note this is not a "revised" edition. My understanding is that a revised edition is one in which part of the text of the original book is amended. The 1998 edition of The Assault on Truth is identical to previous editions, except that it contains a new Postscript. Esterson (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I regard this as pedantry. The word "revised" can be used either way. Skoojal (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I will not respond to this. I not only have an aversion to pedantry: I also have an aversion to off-topic discussion. Skoojal (talk) 07:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1998 edition of The Assault on Truth 

message: OK,  at this point I accept that the section might not be appropriate or necessary, but I think it would be well to wait for comments before removing it.. DGG (talk) 04:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If there's anyone interested! Esterson (talk) 08:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Webster supplement: unnecessary section

message: I see that Austerlitz has continued with his monologues in this talk page. Anyway: now two more editors discuss at length ORish matters. My question: where's the substance in this article which I used to edit two years ago? Masson is well-known in the psychology circles because of his critique of psychoanalysis. Besides his books on Freud, an encyclopedic article must mention important books by him like Against therapy and Final analysis. The article definitively needs expansion beyond the "cute animals" stuff. —Cesar Tort 04:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the substance? 

message: Masson has just e-mailed me. I told him that the photo he sent me had been deleted. He just wrote:
Any ideas how to help him in Wikimedia with his photo?
—Cesar Tort 05:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My advice would be look into the boilerplates for image use.  WLU (t) (c) (rules - simple rules) 18:46, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: Later on she chose another Guru of her own, who was British jewish Mystic John Levy, John Levy: friend and contrary guru. Should he be mentioned, too? Masson mentioned him at the end of his book "My father's Guru".
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.83.65 (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.83.65 (talk) 21:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mother's Guru

message: *  A conversation about the lives of animals with Susan McCarthy and Jeffrey Moussaieff Mason on Jun 30, 1995, Duration 60 min
:Austerlitz -- 88.72.29.95 (talk) 23:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.197.150 (talk) 11:57, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: An Interview

message: The link doesn't work anymore, that's why I've transferred it from the article's page to the discussion page.
*Bibliography of Masson's writings.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.213.180 (talk) 10:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.213.180 (talk) 16:02, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Transfer

message: *
Since there is no direct link to his review, I put it here. It is worth reading.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.218.41 (talk) 15:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: -- 88.75.202.142 (talk) 11:17, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Masson reviewing the book The Holocaust and the Henmaid’s Tale

message: Jeffrey Masson says: 
May. 4, 2010 at 2:05 pm, responding to the following article of Daphne Merkin at TABLET 
"Very interesting article! You are definitely the fox in Isaiah Berlin’s terms, Daphne, and always fascinating to read. One small correction: I did not “suspect” she was Jewish; she told me she was Jewish. She talked about it in great detail with my then wife, Therese Claire Masson, who was also Jewish, and also from Warsaw (she was a child in the Warsaw Ghetto). Although they spoke in Polish most of the time, I sometimes joined the conversation, as I have always been fascinated (obsessed others would say) with the Holocaust. When Alice Miller asked me to do an interview with her for a European publication I gladly agreed, and all went well until I asked about her life in Warsaw and how this may have had an impact on her views. After all, I claimed then, and still do, that any analyst who ignores the trauma that is the Holocaust, is shirking his or her duty. Surely trauma lies at the very heart of Freud’s psychoanalysis. She blew up, and began to cry. How could I join the long list of people who had abused her? I had no idea what she meant, and she would not explain, but from that moment our friendship suffered and never recovered. I still feel puzzled, because I know she agreed with me about the importance of trauma, and in fact had come to Berkeley to spend a week with me talking about it before I wrote my book, The Assault on Truth."
Can somebody please insert this technically correct?
:--88.72.28.10 (talk) 19:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: --88.72.22.50 (talk) 21:07, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

text: --88.75.79.48 (talk) 20:01, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

text: --88.75.79.48 (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Masson on Alice Miller

message: :--88.72.4.143 (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: --88.72.4.143 (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

text: --88.75.215.124 (talk) 07:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masson mentioning his first wife many years ago