Talk:Cassandra (metaphor)

message: Which Alan Atkisson is it you mention in this article? What's his education? If it's the swedish SIDA Alan Atkisson, his education level and what education is hard to find on his linkedin. What's his credentials, other than the ability to write books like any nutcase can do. Thank you in advance. 78.82.156.86 (talk) 06:04, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Environmentalist Alan AtKisson

message: The online Wisegeek entry provides a variant of the Cassandra metaphor which emphasizes delusion: "In psychology, the Cassandra Syndrome... refers to people with a mistaken belief that they can foretell the future, as part of the psychosis. It is usually a part of schizophrenia or extreme mania, and is related to delusions of grandeur."
I notice too a reference to Gaston Bachelard having defined the "Cassandra Complex" as "the childish belief that all things can be known in advance, by one's parents for instance." (This mention was in Kaplan, A., Feminism and Film p.296 (2000)). I am assuming a more detailed mention is provided in one of Bachelard's own works.  
The point of these descriptions is that the insights or predictions of modern-day Cassandras are accurately characterized as delusional. This might deserve a small heading of its own at the end of the article, if anyone is prepared to read up about it or provide the detail. As for me, I've done what I can for the entry and turn it over to others. Goddessculture (talk) 13:52, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cassandra as delusional

message: It is best to avoid tacking adjectives such as "complex" "dilemma" "phenomenon" to the title as these may apply to idiosyncratic usages or contexts. The philosopher Gaston Bachelard, for instance, uses the adjective "complex" to refer to childishness, while Laurie Layton-Shapira uses the adjective "complex" to refer to hysteria. Others use the adjective "phenomenon" to refer strictly to the experience of family members of those with an autism spectrum disorder. "Syndrome" and "dilemma" are also adjectives pertaining to idiosyncratic use of the Cassandra metaphor.
What this means is that as soon as we place just one of these idiosyncratic adjectives in the title we have then disqualified other labels with different adjectives. EG. If we create the title as "Cassandra Complex" we immediately disqualify "Cassandra Syndrome" or "Cassandra phenomenon" which point to very different ideas than those pointed to by Bachelard or Laurie-Layton-Shapira's 'Cassandra complex'.
The reference to Bachelard's use of the term does not mean he was the first and only one to use it, ie. I placed that reference in the article simply as an early modern example. There are examples of "Cassandra" being applied as metaphor all the way back to ancient Greek times when the myth was first written. 
The way around this problem is to simply use the title "Cassandra", to which can be added the bracketed disambiguation term- (metaphor). This keeps it neutral and avoids idiosyncratic bias. 
Please discuss this issue here before making any alterations as this issue originally took a while to be resolved. If you have a better title in mind then suggest it here with your reasoning in order to gain consensus. Goddessculture (talk) 03:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: This I find unclear:
 "Cassandra's need to point out moral infringements and subsequent social          consequences is driven by what Klein calls 'the destructive influences of     the cruel super-ego' which is represented in the Greek myth by the god Apollo, Cassandra's overlord and persecutor."
Is the "destruct influences of the cruel super-ego" the mechanism in Cassandra's psyche that makes her issue predictions to others or is she responding to the destructive influences as personified by Apollo?  I can't tell from this sentence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SemblaceII (talk • contribs) 21:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing 

message: The Dead Zone is largely about the protagonist wrestling with how to act on his precognition.  Does that apply here?  What of precognition in other media? LoneStarNot (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precognition in media ... broadly?