Talk:Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono

message: Good article, but do we really need this last paragraph: "You have to remember that 60% of the population only graduated from elementary school, so they don't investigate candidates too closely," commentator Denny Ja said during the campaign. "When we ask people who is most competent to run the economy and security, people put SBY first. Whatever the truth, that's the perception and perception matters." It seems to me just a condescending assertion that poor people can't handle democracy. Certainly there are also plenty of elections in Western countries where real policy differences are small and things like charisma and funding are what win the day. Everyking 09:22, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it is just an opinion, but it colors the article. Oh well, I suppose you think we need it after all. Everyking 14:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comments

message: I find Cay's correction interesting, multiple journalist have stated SBY was a officer members of the 1975 invasion, yet no Indonesian official has objected.
Anyway, why is there no mention of SBY being the Chief of Territorial Affairs during the revenge destruction of East Timor and the years of intimidation of those chased across into West Timor?
Why is there no mention of SBY being Megawati's security minister who organized and conducted the three year military operation burning hospitals and schools etc. against Aceh for asking for independence?211.30.84.166 15:19, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omissions 

message: This section is horribly written, badly sourced, and unclear in meaning. 
"Recent research and studies relate the disasters which happened in his presidential era with the political stability of Indonesia. Nonetheless, the president is also involved. One study shows that the possibility of Yudhoyono being re-elected in 2009 is narrow if the pattern of the disasters continues."
WTF? Presidents don't cause natural disasters. What is this gibberish doing in an encyclopedia?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.76.38.165 (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: disasters

message: I question the POV of the following passage...
 
"(and, it was said, mental) incapacity"
nowhere in the citation provided was this fact ever mentioned. 
I am deleting this passage as it does not have correct citation.
If someone could correcly citate the fact above, please revert my edit.
Thanks
--Vircabutar 06:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: What is the purpose of this wholesale revert? It cancelled a lot of improvements. however, because other editors worked based on that version since then, reverting it will cause many improvements lost. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 07:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the purpose of this revert

message: I think that section is written in unencyclopedic manner, and violates wikipedia policy such as WP:NOR, WP:NPOV. Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 07:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Road to presidency section

message: Bambang was one of the middle names given to me by my paternal grandfather (who died when I was five). I'm told that the name either means "hero" or refers in some way to the quality of heroism, in keeping with many Javanese names having to do with character traits. I was looking for confirmation about the meaning of the name...? RahadyanS 17:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about Bambang

message: Where in the world parent named their child 'Someone with bad character'? I'm Indonesian, but I'm not SBY supporter. But this srticle tickle my logic and sense. Obviously his name mean 'well behaved'. Well i dont know with you westerner, but we easterner always names our child with good names. And also can you differentiate 's' in Susilo with 'sh' in Sushil. That 2 different letter you know? >:) 
: quote removed from article and placed here by docboat 02:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion from article page 

message: Please note that I've effected a huge cut-n-paste from here to the Post-Suharto Era. The selection was  overly large and detailed. Some of it should come back here.Smilo Don (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have been far more appropriate to have been a lot more consultative and collaborative. No-one has a clue what you've done.--Merbabu (talk) 12:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big cut 'n' paste of Presidency to [[Post-Suharto Era]] 

message: The information regarding the president's religious belief are unecessary and irrelevant, as it is a
private and individual matter of the president, therefore it does not have any relation whatsoever to
his job and responsibility as a president.  (unsigned item)
Reverted - in Indonesia public and political life assumes open identification of affiliation with a religious identity SatuSuro 07:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion removed 

message: Sorry, no time to fix this, but SBY's father's name is wrong. Gatot Koco is a famous figure in the wayang puppet stories. The text currently reads: 
Born in Pacitan, East Java, on September 9, 1949, to a lower-middle class family and is the son of Gatot Koco
The Indonesian version includes what should be the correct father's name, but a double check with the Dutch version
should be confirmation enough.114.181.193.68 (talk) 17:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks for pointing it out. Davidelit (talk) 02:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Background 

message: The overall tone is a little on the flattering/polished side, but that's to be expected for a sitting president who is popular. It would be good to add *factual* info about his alleged roles in East Timor and Aceh.
Early Life: We read "his father's own career" as influencing his decision to join ABRI, but no mention is made of his father's occupation. Readers should not be required to guess that his father was a soldier.
Megawati Presidency: Sounds like she is being blamed for atrocities of martial law in Aceh. Contrast this with the way that Wiranto is blamed for East Timor on his WP page -- the general is responsible, not the civilian.
The Democratic Party: Reasons for choosing the name Democrat should be mentioned. This is at least as important as the info on SBY's birthday.
Cabinet: Add names of the four women appointed by SBY, or at least indicate their portfolios to show that they were significant (rather than minor posts given to women as tokenism).
Economy: Extremely sketchy. What about the removal of subsidies? Rates of inflation in sembako? Poverty rates?
NO mention is made of the anti-corruption reputation that is a big part of his campaign ads. The word only appears in reference to his manifesto/book under Road to Presidency, and again in reference to Suharto's wealth.
Martindo (talk) 01:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for Improvement 

message: I renamed the heading that had been "Alleged Rivalry with Kalla". There is a factual issue of balance of power, which can be addressed directly without quibbling regarding "alleged" or real rivalry (it's real now that they are running against each other).
There is an awkward and somewhat naive use of "weak" in this section to describe the process by which Kalla became head of Golkar. It is preferable for an encyclopedia to give specific details rather than rely on general labels when describing people.
More can be said under this heading than simply discussing (and denying, possibly from POV bias) rumors about rivalry. For example, did Kalla have more free rein than previous VPs in regard to the economy or other aspects of administration?
Martindo (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance of Power 

message: A list of publications by SBY has been added to the page. is this appropriate? If so, how should they be presented. thoughts? thanks --Merbabu (talk) 08:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it's appropriate to mention the books he's written, but there's no need for publishing details - this should be a short para worth of prose. Nick-D (talk) 08:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the publishing details - as they are in Indonesian, its good to see that they are verifiable - I have seen too many possible issues with WP:V come up on short cites - I think it is fine as it is - it sits in the article well imho SatuSuro 08:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications by SBY... 

message: Congratulations Mr. Bambang Yudhoyono! — Mikhailov Kusserow (talk) 08:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrat! 

message: Wasn't he stationed in Timor-Leste during 1998/1999? The current article seems to stop talking about his military career in 1997. And could the last two paragraphs talking about Suharto and political issues, be moved to the political career section? 122.106.253.39 (talk) 01:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military career 

message: I was just wondering why there is no mention of the Century Bank controversy. He has become pretty controversial recently because of that, and I heard that there were some who asked him to step down and/or tried to impeach him. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:14, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Century Bank Controversy

message: The alleged Indonesian transcription clearly wasn't; I'm guessing it was meant to be Javanese, and am fixing it up accordingly. — kwami (talk) 02:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

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