Talk:Malachim (Hasidic group)

message: I removed the Satmar bit because it is too vague, unreferenced, violates WP:OR and is just not notable enough even if true to be included. Yossiea (talk) 16:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What would be notable is that many former "Malachim" are now Satmar Hasidim, if we could find a reference to that Itzik18 (talk) 19:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satmar 

message: Why is this group called a dynasty, which this encyclopedia defines as "a succession of rulers who belong to the same family for generations." There was no dynasty. I suggest that the title be changed to "Malachim (Hasidic group)".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yehoishophot Oliver (talk • contribs) 20:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since then, Breslov (Hasidic dynasty) has been renamed Breslov (Hasidic group). So I'm renaming it here too. -- -- --  23:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dynasty? 

message: See similar discussion and situations at Talk:Breslov (Hasidic dynasty)#Dynasty vs "group" and Talk:Strashelye (Hasidic dynasty)#Dynasty vs "group". namely "A recent move was made by User  to downgrade this group from "dynasty" to "group". The one making these changes did so from a pro-Chabad POV that views Breslov as their rivals. The name "Dynasty" is a generic name for all the Hasidic "groups" on WP since for a long time now, it has been standard procedure not to use the label "sect" because it is demeaning, likewise "group" sounds common-place and not far off from "sect". A "dynasty" denotes a "group" too, even if the seat of power is not held by a direct family member, the "monarchical" and dynastic nature of such Hasidic movements stay intact through each generation that rules in the name of both living and dead rebbes. Such is even the case now in Chabad where the "dynasty" continues even though there has been no succession and no single rabbi has been appointed to the "throne" in the present, yet the movement bases itself on the authority of its last deceased leader. :Category:Hasidic dynasties makes clear that this naming convention has been the universally accepted naming convention on WP for many years and changes should not be made without seeking very wide and extensive input. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since then, Breslov (Hasidic dynasty) has been renamed Breslov (Hasidic group). So I'm renaming it here too. -- -- --  23:35, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dynasty vs "group"

message: Sorry, this page is absurd. I agree with the User "Bear and Dragon" above. MAL'ACHIM, Malachim, Moloch = Baal. So these people worship the devil? Do Jews worship the devil? This is BS! Someone explain their name (Malachim) please!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.153.221.249 (talk) 06:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: While Satan and devil connote bad angels, Malach may connote a good angel, and may also refer to a human who is considered to be angelic. (See Malachi 2:7). So these people call their (deceased) rabbi "the Malach", and themselves "Malachim" (meaning: followers (not:worshipers) of the Malach). -- -- --  00:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanism 

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