Talk:Medical tourism

message: World Alliance of Patient Safety has changed its name to WHO Patient Safety and can be found at http://www.who.int/patientsafety/en  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.188.138 (talk) 23:19, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Links to MedRetreat, a for-profit medical tourism company, if medicaltourism.com doesn't make the cut with unbiased reporting about providers, why do we have a for profit service linked?
The Medical Tourism Association is an international non-profit association of leading hospitals from around the world.  www.medicaltravelauthority.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicaltourism (talk • contribs) 09:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Medical Tourism in the USA

message: I would support the merger of this article with the medical value travel article, and that medical tourism become the name of this particular subject. Medical value travel has 188 hits on a Google search while Medical tourism has more than 83 million. Seems Medical value travel isn't really catching on as the term for this trend. On both searches, by the way, the Wikipedia entry came up first. Both articles need to be rewritten and condensed, with greater attention to given to references and citations, as well as wikification throughout. Also I wonder if Medical tourism in Thailand and the oddly named Medical Tourism India should also be merged with the medical tourism article? -Wisekwai 20:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Dental tourism should be merged here. Little need for its own article. --ZimZalaBim (talk) 18:26, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dental tourism]]

message: This article contains quite a few neutrality problems. As currently written, most of the material is unsourced, e.g.
*Medical tourists are generally residents of the industrialized nations of the world, the countries they travel are typically the less developed ones with lower cost of high quality medical care
Who is vouching for the medical care as being "high quality?"
No source is given for the assertion that "health care insurance companies within industrialized nations have begun considering medical tourism as a potential cost-saving measure."
It is suggested that in the U. S. "most view Medical Tourism as risky because of lack of information, confusion and understanding." No sources are provided, and no evidence is presented that medical tourism is not "risky."
One of the reasons cited for an increase in medical tourism is "favorable currency exchange rates in the global economy." But this is certainly not true for the United States. 
The tone of the article is overwhelmingly promotional. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree.  This article is a good overview.  While editing can improve the quality of the article with qualifiers and more objective statistics, as is, it is still informative and a good overview to get persons started in learning about the topic.  This is exactly what Wikipedia is meant to do.  --SP 06:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The American Standard of Joint Commission International Accredidation, that's who.  If you view the JCI website you can find that the quality of these institutions is better than most of the "best" hospitals in America.  These countries have gone through political/policy changes to insure their viability in the world market, knowing that if their medical care for cross-border patients were to be anywhere near slack compared to the U.S. or England would be incomprehensible. This  is resulting in higher standards and close patient-physician interaction with very good outcomes.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.118.108.51 (talk • contribs) 20:08, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality issues 

message: The section after the table of prices beginning "Popular medical travel worldwide destinations" seems to me to be more suitable as an introduction to the Destinations section. I would suggest a thinning out of this section to perform such a function as at present it contains a good deal of questionable material that lacks the depth possible in longer sections for each country - for instance  "In places like the U.S., which has high standards of quality, medical tourism is viewed as risky" assumes that standards in the U.S are comparatively high, no reference is given. "While the tourism component might be a big draw for some Southeast Asia countries that focus on simple procedures" - which countries, what 'simple procedures'?
There should probably be guidelines for each country's section, length inclusion of relevant date etc... For the section to work a larger number of countries need to written up in a way that allows for clearer comparison and information gathering. There is at present a noticeable lack of entries for European destinations like Turkey, Hungary and Poland. Unintentional bias through omission is nearly as bad as intended misdirection.
The inclusion of Belgium - very much a first world Western European country - highlights the lack of analysis of Medical Tourism as a product of the marketplace and of value differences between countries. The reason need not always be a good exchange rate or cheap labour. For instance countries may have opted to create surplus capacity in their healthcare systems. This enables them to deal with their own populations needs and additionally sell excess to others while benefiting from economies of scale and larger repositories of skilled labour. Potentially one of the most interesting aspects of Medical Tourism will be how western health services react to the pressures of a more competitive market.
I am aware of it in my own writing and it is evident in this page that the focus is to much on westerners travelling. Possibly more interesting markets are those in Asia where regional Medical Tourism is strong and underreported in U.S. or European publications. So if anybody has detailed knowledge of this it would certainly help balance the page.
87.198.142.190 13:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization 

message: Since I am health care professional and involved in the industry, I will not edit this article. I do hope the administrators will take note of what follows and act accordingly. The following statement placed in the article appears to lack neutrality and appears to be more commercial puffery than factual.
"While the tourism component might be a big draw for some Southeast Asia countries that focus on simple procedures, India is positioning itself the primary medical destination for the most complex medical procedures in the world. India's commitment to this is demonstrated with a growing number of hospitals that are attaining the U.S. Joint Commission International accreditation to help to capture the US medical tourism market, while others looking beyond just the US market to potential clients from the United Kingdom, Europe and Australia may also look towards other international healthcare accreditation schemes for brand advantage."
In fact the primary medical tourism destinations in Southeast Asia, Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore all perform complex procedures and are competent to do so. Singapore for example is home to Dr. K.C. Tan one of the world's best liver transplant specialists (http://www.mb.com.ph/issues/2006/03/06/WLBG2006030657679.html). In Thailand Bumrungrad, Bangkok Hospital and Samitivej Sukhumvit all have accreditation by the US based Joint Commission International Program (http://www.jointcommissioninternational.com/23218/iortiz/). Singapore has 14 JCI accredited hospitals. Additionally Bumrungrad Hospital was selected by Blue Cross Blue Shield of South Carolina, an American Health insurance company as the first non-US hospital to be accepted into its network of providers (http://www.bcbs.com/news/plans/bluecross-blueshield-and.html). To say that the focus of some Southeast Asian countries involved in medical tourism is, "simple procedures" is not factual. All of the countries actively involved in medical tourism offer a broad spectrum of competencies as evidenced by JCI accredditation and in one instance accreditation by BCBS of South Carolina. To claim otherwise merely serves to degrade the reputation of the facilities in that region.NYerkes 04:12, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality of Statement questioned

message: The following additions appear to be more commercial puffery. Both organizations are newly founded and aside from their own press releases are not recognized authorities on health tourism as they suggest. While they may become independently recognized as neutral sources for information in the future, that is not currently the case.
"The Society for International Healthcare Accreditation, or SOFIHA, is a free-to-join group providing a forum for discussion and for the sharing of ideas and good practice by providers of international healthcare accreditation and users of the same - the primary role of this organisation is to promote a safe hospital environment for patients, wherever they travel to in the world for health care."
"HealthCare Tourism International, or HTI, is the first U.S.- based non-profit organization to accredit the non-clinical aspects of health tourism such as language issues, business practices and false or misleading advertising prevention. The group has accreditation for all the major groups involved in the health tourism industry from hotels, to recover facilities to medical tourism booking agencies, etc.  NYerkes 05:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions of organizations claiming to be neutral experts on health tourism but not yet independently recognized as such

message: The Following addition appears to have been placed with the intent of disparaging Thailand rather than offering objective neutral information.
"However, there is indisputably a major HIV/AIDS problem in Thailand, as acknowledged by the World Health Organisation [17] and dengue is becoming increasingly common."
The linked report is dated material published in 2001. Other countries mentioned in the 2001 WHO report that are also medical tourism destinations are not mentioned. No mention is made of Thailand's HIV prevention treatment program being suggested as a model for other countries (http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=39235. Further, the addition of the information about HIV serves no purpose in the context of this article. HIV is not airborne nor is it spread via vectors. Thailand's hospitals practice Universal Precautions which makes nosocomial transmission highly unlikely. Regarding dengue fever, it common in Southeast Asia and the Western Pacific countries (http://www.who.int/features/qa/54/en/index.html. Again, no other countries offering medical tourism were singled out for inclusion of this information despite some having a higher incidence of dengue fever than Thailand. There is no suggestion by the WHO that Thailand is experiencing an increase in the number of cases of dengue fever. Thailand is not mentioned by the WHO in reports on major Dengue Fever outbreaks (http://www.who.int/csr/don/archive/disease/dengue_haemorrhagic_fever/en/index.html). Thailand has not been associated with major outbreaks of Dengue fever unlike some of the other medical tourism destinations (http://www.cdc.gov/NCIDOD/DVBID/DENGUE/)  NYerkes 05:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality Issue

message: The insertion of the line 
"Dubious given that Rockefeller was in Thailand from the early 1920's and Mahidol was a low-ranked royal, not in Thailand most of the time]." 
It is an expression of opinion and is not supported by the facts.
"During the first period of his residence at Harvard, Prince Mahidol also negotiated and concluded, on behalf of the Royal Thai Government, an agreement with the Rockefeller Foundation on assistance for medical and nursing education in Thailand." (see http://kanchanapisek.or.th/pmaf/complete-biography.en.php).
Mahidol was not a low ranking royal as suggested. He was the youngest son of King Chulalongkorn (Rama V). His two male children, one of whom is the present monarch, would become kings of Thailand. In 1921 Prince Mahidol was appointed Director-General of the University Department, Ministry of Education giving him considerable authority to implement the improvement of Thailand's medical education system. NYerkes 07:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal opinion added to article

message: The news articles on the external links part go against guidelines saying they ought to be a unique resource. These articles (like in the sources) are articles in the media that are more as citations that unique resources. "Looking abroad..." link may be a suitable as a source, but the time and cbs add to the whole gamut clogging up this list. 
Wikipedia says: "Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links, or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links." Lihaas (talk) 03:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In general, this article is lacking in references. I understand and recognize the guidelines about selectivity of external links, but in this case, I don't think including a couple general articles from well-regarded sources is an egregious violation. However, I agree that the articles I restored to the external links section may be better used as references, and as I have time, I will look at ways to incorporate them as references.  Is there some compelling reason to delete them immediately? --Sfmammamia (talk) 22:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, maybe an external links template can do the job in the meanwhile. An indiction that some will be cleared. Lihaas (talk) 23:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I just put the 48 hours duration period to take the personal disinfection measure to do hospital-aquired disease prevention without any reference, for the time being.  However, I do call for research on this issue.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.7.242.212 (talk) 09:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not treat medical travellers as bioterrists if the specific advice from the government is not in place..... 

message: This is a very important topic and I don't understand why people keep removing it.  Anyway, I'm tired to reverse it and there is one more issue which needs to be addressed - that is the use of toilet in Fast food restaurant and roadhouse (facility)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.139.115.12 (talk) 05:20, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been added with source citations that either have nothing to do with the content, as far as I can tell, or do not meet Wikipedia's standards for  reliable sources.  As such, I have removed it as  original research. It may be relevant to the risks section, but not as a separate section and not without reliable sources. --Sfmammamia (talk) 16:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's going on with the section of Biosafety on road? 

message: The DMOZ search template, and by implication all DMOZ search links, is being considered for deletion because it violates WP:ELNO #9. Anyone interested in discussing the fate of Open Directory Project (DMOZ) search links is invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Dmoz2. Qazin (talk) 05:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open Directory Project Links 

message: Given that sections of this article have been tagged as being unsourced for many months, I am going to begin creating summaries and deleting sections that have no reliable sources. --Sfmammamia (talk) 18:18, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections without sourcing 

message: Reference #54 pointing to https://elaiada.com/ source?
Zentraleinheite (talk) 17:51, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, have found a substitute.  That dead link wasn't really Tufts University (imagine that), probably someone's sneaked-in spam link.  --CliffC (talk) 19:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference link broken

message: It is estimated that 6,000,000 US citizens travel abroad each year to receive less expensive health care. Much more than this article's 750,000.
http://news.health.com/2009/04/08/traveling-treatment/
SOURCES: Devon Herrick, Ph.D., senior fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis, Dallas; David Boucher president, Companion Global Healthcare, Columbia, S.C.; National Center for Policy Analysis, Aug. 12, 2008, Medical Tourism: Health Care Free Trade
Source is kind of iffy though.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.23.196 (talk) 08:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  6,000,000 US citizens 

message: Medical travel to this topic.
To me, the meaning of the two topics maybe slightly different
--222.64.28.119 (talk) 23:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please do not auto-direct the topic of.... 

message: * http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=allintitle%3A+medical+tourism+management&btnG=Search&as_sdt=2000&as_ylo=&as_vis=0
--222.64.28.119 (talk) 00:06, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red links in the article maybe associated with the following.... 

message: Why not add america's leading medical tourism company to the links  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.187.122.251 (talk) 02:57, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can cite a reliable, third-party source for your company's leadingness, why not indeed?  --CliffC (talk) 17:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why

message: Why is the United Kingdom not included in this? The UK has suffered medical tourism as much as any country due to free healthcare.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.54.2 (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The United Kingdom 

message: 1: The lead definition:
Medical tourism (also called medical travel, health tourism or global healthcare) is a term initially coined by travel agencies and the mass media to describe the rapidly-growing practice of travelling across international borders to obtain health care. It also refers pejoratively to the practice of healthcare providers travelling internationally to deliver healthcare.[1][2]
is almost a straight cut and paste **without citation**:
Medical Tourism
A term coined by travel agencies and the mass media for the practice of travelling across national borders to obtain health care. It also refers to the practice of healthcare providers travelling internationally to deliver healthcare, which is both pejorative and less common. Services provided Joint replacement (knee/hip), cardiac surgery, dental surgery, cosmetic surgery, as well as alternative treatments, convalescent care and burial services
Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.
2. I think the pejorative part of the definition should be cut. 
I have never seen one usage of this type.  As can be seen by subsequent discussion in the page many countries in Southeast Asia have whole national policies devoted promoting this industry.There are certainly active debates (covered in the risk section above) that should be elaborated in greater detail, both: 1. in the countries where people are traveling abroad for healthcare, about the quality and standards in foreign countries, and: 2. within the foreign countries providing the healthcare services, about stretching resources and lowering the quality of healthcare for people living in the country.  Fernquestjon (talk) 06:03, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: re 1) since the wording has been in wikipedia since at least  2010  it suggests that the 2012  publication is mirroring the Wikipedia content. -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:29, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead definition needs improvement 

message: This page is all about how they can steal US patients. !!:)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.61.53.87 (talk) 07:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: this page is not a forum. do you have suggestions about how to improve the page? -- The Red Pen of Doom 12:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: This page is anti-american-medical-sector

message: Concerning the paragraph, which is in the article the 4th paragraph, below I have some concerns relevant to citation and the content. I could not find the 4th reference up to now. However I read the 5th one and I could not find its relevance with the current article of medical tourism. Since medical tourism concerns the patients who have to travel and concerns not the health care provider who travels to underdeveloped areas of the world for reasons such as activism or volunteer activities. I might be wrong but I think a clarification needed. Thank you in advance 
"In the context of global health, the term "medical tourism" is pejorative because during such trips health care providers often practice outside of their areas of expertise or hold different (i.e., lower) standards of care.[4][5] Greater numbers than ever before of student volunteers, health professions trainees, and researchers from resource-rich countries are working temporarily and anticipating future work in resource-starved areas.[5][6]"
Khadkhall (talk) 19:33, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I had wondered about that context as well. This source  appears to indicate that it is used in that context within the Medical student community, but without sources to support a wider usage in that meaning, the content should certainly be removed from the lead, possibly from the article altogether. -- The Red Pen of Doom 20:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I have just read the source. I think you are very right. It is about global health but again not about Medical Tourism which is a subcategory of globalized healthcare driven by the patient movement. For example the reference article starts with the example of Dave who had traveled to Tanzania as a part of global health rotation. In this case, Tanzania is neither the medical destination nor the developed country with collapsed or collapsing social health care system therefore no interest to medical tourism studies. It is clearly not relevant to the medical tourism. I think if medical tourism would be defined with economics terms such as imports and exports (by the way I do not like it in this way, just to clarify), we might not be so confused. Like developing countries (medical tourism destinations) are the exporters and the developed countries are the importers. I would suggest to remove such texts and references which are out of topic, even though some of them are quite interesting for other studies. Khadkhall (talk) 07:30, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Doctors travelling to patients-in-need is covered under [[Humanitarian aid]. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th and 5th referances 

message: It's a bit of a ghost town at that page, so I'm linking to this thread:
Talk:Medical tourism in Malaysia#Concerns from Malaysia Healthcare Travel Council
Anna Frodesiak (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A link 

message: The WikiTourists are new and not too experienced in the ways of wikipedia etiquette. I also think that the moderators may have acted a bit too hasty. Whatever the case , MaltaDoctor.com obviously seems to be one of the main medical tourism clinics in malta. What I cannot understand is why the wikipedia page on medical tourism actually mentions malta , but then refuses to have any maltese clinic on the very page where malta is mentioned ? Not a wise move by the editors. The same thing goes for wellness tourism too (which the editor should have enough good grace to undo himself) . Loosen up , Guys !  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnLockeSwanStation (talk • contribs) 03:14, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an encyclopedia, not a free website. See WP:WTAF and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Johnuniq (talk) 04:05, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted, but then restored the version by JohnLockeSwanStation because I was hasty in thinking it was the blocked editor. The article history seemed to repeat the pattern of trying to restore disputed content. I should have checked his talk page. I was careless. My apologies. I have no opinion about which version of the article is best. Again, I apologize for my error. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malta 

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message: Medical Refugee ends up here.  Not the same -- one visits, the other moves.  Not sure the correct location, but certainly they are different.  Discussed further in new talk section under Talk:Medical Refugee; at this point am not creating a new WP article, just advocating for a better redirect.  
GeeBee60 (talk) 16:07, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical refugee vs tourist 

message: I just created an article on a related concept, Consumer import of prescription drugs. The relationship between that article and medical tourism is that a person might visit another country for the purpose of buying prescription drugs to bring back to their own country. I am not sure how that article and medical tourism should reference each other, but they have some overlap.  Blue Rasberry (talk) 23:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
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Investigations into organ harvesting have been carried out.David Kilgour, David Matas (6 July 2006, revised 31 January 2007) An Independent Investigation into Allegations of Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China (free in 22 languages) organharvestinvestigation.net Investigative journalist Ethan Gutmann estimates that the "organs of 65,000 Falun Gong and 'two to four thousand' Uyghurs, Tibetans or House Christians were 'harvested' in the 2000-2008 period alone".David Kilgour (8 December 2014) "A History of Organ Pillaging in China", The Epoch TimesEthan Gutmann (10 March 2011) "How many harvested?" revisited eastofethan.com It is likely that "each person who travels to China for an organ causes the death of another human"."Transplant Tourists Unwitting Beneficiaries of Prisoner Organ Harvest", Voices In Bioethics, 15 October 2013
Furthermore, in their announcements to end organ harvesting from prisoners, China only speaks of executed prisoners,Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting (5 Dec. 2014) "World should be skeptical of China's announcement to end organ harvesting from executed prisoners by January 1, 2015", PR Newswire,"Why China will struggle to end organ harvesting from executed prisoners", CNN, 5 Dec. 2014 but has not acknowledged the organ procurement from non-consenting prisoners of conscience. State-sanctioned organ harvesting continues to this day, according to Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting representative Dr. Chen."Forum on China's State-Sanctioned Forced Organ Harvesting Held in UK Parliament", clearwisdom.net, 2 December 2014
:While some of the sources look inappropriate to use, it's not clear the paragraphs should have been removed. I'll try to review all the refs when I have more time. --Ronz (talk) 00:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The CNN ref looks fine, but it doesn't mention medical tourism. --Ronz (talk) 00:12, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

text: http://organharvestinvestigation.net/ appears self-published. There's been quite a bit of discussion about it, and what I'm seeing suggests it is not reliable except as an opinion-piece when supported by better sources. A careful review of all the discussions and maybe a new RSN discussion may be needed. --Ronz (talk) 03:02, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Blanking of material from China section

message: :I'm now working on the translation of this article into traditional Chinese. Can anybody help elaborate on the meaning of "pushing the Royal Marsden nearer the 50% statutory limit." Thanks for your kind attention.ThomasYehYeh (talk) 09:24, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: NHS trusts are not allowed to earn more than 50% of their income from private patients. I think this is in the Health and Social Care Act 2012 - though it doesnt appear in the article. Rathfelder (talk) 15:25, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Income for NHS providers rose by 9% in 2018–9, pushing the Royal Marsden nearer the 50% statutory limit. 

message: Medical tourist 2409:4054:2107:47B5:ACC2:DF76:4A27:AC18 (talk) 08:12, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civics 

message: Is it interesting and notable to create a Medical tourism in South-East Asia wikipedia article. What do you think folks? DetailedDiscoverer (talk) 16:17, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  will be it interesting? 

message: I feel it should be mentioned here. InjectableBacon (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roe vs Wade and abortion tourism