Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League

message: I am proposing we remove NFL.com links from player infoboxes completely. After the website nuked the player stats pages in 2020, they have become mostly unusable/irrelevant. This is in addition to over 11,000 broken links from that 2020 change. Unless there is any opposition to the change, I will deprecate the |nfl= parameter from Template:Infobox NFL biography in a week. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: * This is a good idea, and looks like most players already have their NFL.com link wikidata updated. I've made changes to the infobox sandbox  for that. However, the problem still remains that for most retired players there aren't stats that show up anymore on the NFL.com links (Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, etc.) so I'm not sure if they are useful. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:56, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

text: *:I'm neutral on the link's relevance. The pro argument would it's from the related league's website.  I was more offering an alternative for a "free" fix to the links.—Bagumba (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  NFL.com links in infoboxes 

message: I am really struggling with these "List of XXX players" lists. There are some (List of Chicago Tigers players) that are difficult to even define as an actual functional article. They are wildly different in format, some of which contend to be a comprehensive list of a team's players (List of San Francisco 49ers players), some that include additional details about each player (List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers players) and some that just highlight key players found in other smaller team lists (List of Chicago Bears players). However, the one thing they all have in common is that they are all wildly out-of-date and likely to continue to be. Unlike basketball (see Portland Trail Blazers all-time roster), NFL team's these days have huge rosters, with easily 60+ players playing at least one game a season. For some older clubs, we are talking about thousands of players, for 32 teams. The task of maintaining a true all-time roster for modern NFL clubs is a monumental, and I would argue, unlikely and pointless endeavor that is more appropriate for Categorization or external sources (such as Pro-Football-Reference). I would also argue that maintaining an all-time roster for NFL teams, considering how large their rosters are and how often players move from team-to-team, falls into WP:NOTSTATS territory.
Thinking this through, I have a proposal for how to address these lists in a way that makes them functional and maintainable:
*For the existing 32 NFL teams, we convert them to a list of lists format. So List of Green Bay Packers players would move to Lists of Green Bay Packers players and would become an essentially an index of smaller, more defined and easier to update lists. You can see what this looks like right now at List of Green Bay Packers players (very basic right now, but the expectation would be a short explanatory sentence and source after each entry).
*For the defunct teams, we either delete them all or merge them into a larger List of defunct NFL team players.
I know this may seem drastic, but from the perspective of quality, navigability and ease of editor maintenance, this is the simplest and most straightforward solution. It would allow us to standardize the format of these pages and point readers into their likely direction (finding smaller, more defined lists). Think about it, if I would like to know who has played for the Packers, I would either look that person up on Wikipedia or I would go to PFR or some other stat website. I honestly struggle to understand how a page like this, for example List of Jacksonville Jaguars players, could be helpful to a Wikipedia reader, even if it is actively maintained and accurate. Interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @  19:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I love this idea, I've long had issues with the lists of players articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Probably in the minority here, but I personally do like a comprehensive list of all of a team's players – especially as it lets those who we deem "non-notable" be mentioned somewhere. I like how the Packers list is done currently (with all-time roster articles, etc.), although I realize that updating such lists would require an absurd amount of effort. I don't know. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:51, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would be fine with amending my proposal to note that any existing comprehensive list be moved to a new "All-Time Roster" article. I think the key to my proposal is that "Lists of TEAM players" would be more helpful for our readers as an index. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @  23:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that makes sense. Your idea of making a List of defunct NFL team players sounds good as well. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{cl|Lists of players by National Football League team}} 

message: Featured list total by team
Team                 	FLs	Division
Arizona Cardinals    	2  	NFC West
Atlanta Falcons      	3  	NFC South
Baltimore Ravens     	3  	AFC North
Buffalo Bills        	1  	AFC East
Carolina Panthers    	2  	NFC South
Chicago Bears        	3  	NFC North
Cincinnati Bengals   	1  	AFC North
Cleveland Browns     	2  	AFC North
Dallas Cowboys       	1  	NFC East
Denver Broncos       	2  	AFC West
Detroit Lions        	3  	NFC North
Green Bay Packers    	13 	NFC North
Houston Texans       	2  	AFC South
Indianapolis Colts   	3  	AFC South
Jacksonville Jaguars 	1  	AFC South
Kansas City Chiefs   	2  	AFC West
Las Vegas Raiders    	2  	AFC West
Los Angeles Chargers 	4  	AFC West
Los Angeles Rams     	3  	NFC West
Miami Dolphins       	1  	AFC East
Minnesota Vikings    	3  	NFC North
New England Patriots 	3  	AFC East
New Orleans Saints   	3  	NFC South
New York Giants      	3  	NFC East
New York Jets        	2  	AFC East
Philadelphia Eagles  	2  	NFC East
Pittsburgh Steelers  	2  	AFC North
San Francisco 49ers  	2  	NFC West
Seattle Seahawks     	2  	NFC West
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 	1  	NFC South
Tennessee Titans     	2  	AFC South
Washington Commanders	3  	NFC East
Total                	82 	
 Featured list total by division
Division 	FLs
NFC North	22
NFC East 	9
NFC South	9
NFC West 	9
AFC North	8
AFC East 	7
AFC South	8
AFC West 	10
Note: This list includes four current featured list nominations (Packers x2, Bengals x1, Jaguars x1) which are on track to be promoted.
I thought this would be an interesting bit of information about our WikiProject to share. Hopefully it motivates people to work on getting their team better represented! It certainly has for me, and I have two additional Detroit Lions listed prepped and ready for nomination, as well as 4 other Lions lists that are works in progress which will also eventually be nominated. Credit to @Gonzo fan2007 for being responsible for all 13 of the Packers' lists. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I have 8 more ready to go to FLC and 1 more in works!! Hahaha. Now I just need to figure out what to do with Green Bay Packers All-Time Roster and its related pages. Cool info, thanks for pulling it together! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @  17:04, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great to hear! You're going to keep me busy, I can't stand the Packers being so far ahead in FLs!! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured list totals by team and division