Talk:August Kubizek/Archive 1

message: I have removed the following for now since this article is a stub, Machtan's claim is wholly unsupported and its inclusion throws off the article's balance. If this where a substantially longer article, with more detail and context relating to Gustl's life, a rather spurious, book-selling allegation like this could be relegated to a rumours section or whatever but not in a stub. Wyss 19:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Historian Lothar Machtan speculates that they may have had a romantic relationship, although there is a lack of evidence to support this theory.
Readers are reminded that no major biographer of Hitler has ever taken seriously an assertion along this line. Wyss 19:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Machtan's claim removed

message: Since the article was expanded by Karl Schilke, I would say it is now long enough to include the speculation that Kubizek and Hitler had a relationship. Karl and I have provided ample sources for this theory and I think it is particularly relevant considering the percentage of scholarship having to do with Kubizek that broaches this issue.
While it is still contentious, the amount written about this by credible authors raises it above the level of "gossip" in my opinion. And contrary to Wyss's contention, it is far from "unsupported."
~Frasor
* First, please sign your posts with four tildes, thank you. 
* Nevertheless, your edits are wholly unsupported and dismissed by serious historians. They amount to "docutabloid" clutter and truth be told, are IMHO on the line of vandalism.
* "Apprentice interior decorator"? In 1905 Linz, Austria? That's beyond fabrication and would be funny if only these edits weren't so damaging to WP's credibility. Wyss 16:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Truth be told, I'm totally ok with mentioning it that way. Thanks so much for working with me to keep the article encyclopedic and credible for readers. Wyss 16:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported content 

message: Karl Schalike is attempting to insert wholly unsupported "tabloid" type material into Adolf Hitler, Eva Braun, August Kubizek and Rudolf Hess. This includes categorizing AH as homosexual. The sources he cites are not based on verifiable documentation and are not recognized by historians. In one or two cases I have reverted this material as straight vandalism - disinformation.
I am adhering to my scholastic principles and believe I am editing within WP written policy. Some admins will agree with me but others may not. A request on my talk page (User_talk:Wyss) from an admin will be sufficient to stop me from reverting this material as vandalism. I will respect any such request and if it is received, following WP policy I will then take this issue to the RfC level instead. Thanks. Wyss 20:13, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My reverts

message: I'm not going to get into a revert war over this but Machtan's assertions are so spurious and unsupported they shouldn't even appear in this article. The only reason they are is because an insufficient number of general interest editors are even aware of Kubizek's existence. We can keep this codswallop isolated in a separate section as a compromise. Readers are strongly cautioned that this editor is not asserting, "Hitler was not gay." This editor is asserting, "There is zero documented evidence to support assertions that Adolf Hitler was gay and the notion is rejected by all serious Hitler biographers and historians." Wyss 02:15, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To Karl...."Univ of Bremen Prof" and "qualified historian" do indeed carry weight. But thats about it. It carries some weight. "Most credible source" is misleading. Real sources rely on original, definitive, verifiable facts. Machtan does not present these; he speculates ad nauseum...let's face it, even PhD's indulge in conjecture and play fast & loose with history. Engr105th 19:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: You have misinterpreted WP sourcing policy. Wyss 18:59, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an important claim. Lots of cranks with degrees have written codswallop about AH for the purpose of making money on book sales. Wyss 00:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lothar Machtan