Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-11-07 Sterling Management Systems

message: *Sterling Management is not "just a WISE member" like any other. A company beeing only a member may be relatively autonomous from the church with the option to quit its membership. But SMS complete product portfolio is licensed by the Church. That gives the church enormous control options.(no license = no Sterlning management system). The techniques offered are the same like in any church. (quite funny,its called "unreligious" if offered from SMS but the very same OEC course in the church is "religious" ?!) The company has clear contractual and ideologic ties with the church. -- Stan  talk 20:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  reply to Ibeme 

message: Your comments to Fahrenheit451 are disruptive best and/or harassment worst. It is one thing to ask another user if he has a COI. But your specific RL questions wich you mixed with some "beliefed true facts"(that he may be an Ex-Scientologist) and "fiction"(gun, etc) is outraging. Your reply after Fahrenheit answered your questions makes it worse(lie accusation). You may have done this just due to an upset but it looks like Dead Agenting. Strike it! By the way, I didn't see many constructive comments here from you either. Actually I didn't see any from you.  -- Stan  talk 22:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My comments are on the article talk page. And you didn't get what I meant with F451 starting his witchhunting number. Or you do but use it as another attack on me. Anyway, who cares. Misou (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I only asked you to stop what looked like haressment. If you would have read my comments carefully you might have noticed that I didn't trie to condemn you nor your friends. I interpreted your actions as an upset(without guilt for anyone, see above). I tried not to make any specific statements about anyones intentions here! I only wanted that neither Fahrenheit nor you continue the massacre. Your answer to Fahrenheit451 was one issue but the next reply from you made it nasty! However, both of us just committed to WP:AGF(you and me). But frankly, under this conditons, I'm not willing to play the clown here anymore! Have fun! -- Stan  talk 19:47, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yawn. How about getting on with it and back to the article? Misou (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Misou 

message: Ibeme is a new editor and probably didn't know about COI in the beginning(AGF). Even if he has a COI it is his right to participate on talk page. There is always the COI noticeboard available if you think its neccessary but he didn't break any COI-rules(didn't make controversial edits anymore). A straight answer from him would end this drama but his decision not to answer this question should be respected for now. Its really not in the spirit of mediation confront editors. If you don't want to try to work with him we should cancel this mediation process but I think we should at least try. -- Stan  talk 23:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  to Fahrenheit451 

message: I respect your decision not to answer and am willing to try to work with you. But frankly, I'm also convinced you have a COI and will take it to higher power if you violate it. -- Stan  talk 23:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yawn. How about getting on with it and back to the article? Misou (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  to Ibeme 

message: I am happily retired.  I do not work for anyone who stands to gain one way or the other from what happens in with this article; not Sterling Management, not WISE not the C of S or any other entity that may have an interest in Sterling Management Systems or any stake, financial or otherwise, in this article.  Since retirement in 2001 I have occasionally accepted short-term accepted contracts as a consultant in the development of various internet-related product offerings for several ISPs, hardware vendors, and "Market Development" wanna bees.  I have done less and less of this as time goes on - none in the  past two years and none, ever, for Sterling Management Systems or any other party who would have a vested interest in Sterling.  I have already stated that none of my family and friends are employed by or contracted to Sterling Management Systems.
In the spirit of Thanksgiving etc.  I hope this puts this issue finally to rest.  Do I have POV?  You betcha - but I have made no secret of it here.  I have no agenda that I have not disclosed.  --76.168.95.24 (talk) 00:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your clear statement, that answers the question I was asking on your talk page. However, I have very good reasons to think that you are currently involved with Sterling Management Systems, reasons which are still valid, and reasons which have not been stated on your talk page. Would you object to a check of your edits against the IPs in the range 64.165.132.144 - 64.165.132.151, which belongs to Sterling Management Systems? Raymond Hill (talk) 01:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Raymond Hill - Sorry, I did not notice your question on my talk page; I don't look there often.  (Probably should add it to my WatchList.)  I do not know what IPs are used by Sterling Management Systems but I can assure you that I have not used any of them so please feel free to check away.  Note: If you would care to explain your concerns to me perhaps I can put you mind at ease. --Ibeme (talk) 06:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declaration by Ibeme - No COI here. 

message: I commit to follow WP:NPA and WP:CIV. Right now I can not assume good faith with every editor here but I'm willing to commit to follow WP:AGF during the process of mediation. As long mediation lasts I will not express any further accusations neither here, on talkpages nor administration noticeboards about user/s who are participating here. -- Stan  talk 01:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declaration by Stan En 

message: I commit myself to regard WP:CIV and WP:AGF. I would be happy to see this mediation rolling, and I do my part. Misou (talk) 04:42, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declaration by Misou 

message: Having reviewed my comments to Leonmon, I recognize they were somewhat harsh in tone. Consequently, I acknowledge they should have been phrased more tactfully. Addhoc (talk) 13:25, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment by Addhoc