Talk:List of doom metal bands

message: Explaining 9/11 revert... Nightwish is symphonic power metal, not doom metal by a long shot.--Jsorens 19:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically all the redlinks and unrelated bluelinks should be removed, to keep this list verifiable. This has been done to most other metal band lists already. Feel free to clean the article up, if you want to. Prolog 03:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on to it. I'll prolly do it over the next couple of days, as I'm a little busy right now and can't do it all in one hit-K37 07:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Nope socky, per established discussion, they are doom. And you claim to be new, yet have an edit from the 22nd of Dec, and all your edits are in The Swords articles or relate to The Sword in some way.The Kinslayer 14:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've removed bands with no articles, i.e. red links. No point listing a band if the encyclopaedia has no information on them; it's equivalent to promotion. --Dane ~nya 03:08, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed bands 

message: This article needs major cleanup. A lot of the entries link to entries that aren't bands but rather words the bands get their names from. I've been working on fixing this by adding "xxx (band)" to many of the links, however I don't know if the actual articles (if they exist) point to "xxx (doom metal band)" or something similar. I've only looked at A-J and T on (approximately), and may not have been very thorough anyway. = ∫ tc 5th Eye 00:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up most of these - also removing non-doom bands Spearhead 21:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Amorphis are not doom metal and never was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.114.144.82 (talk) 18:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tales from the Thousand Lakes is doom.--Jsorens 13:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amorphis 

message: These bands are just NOT doom metal and never been even close to doom metal. They should be removed, because they play something else, as gothic metal for instance, but not doom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nothingagainst (talk • contribs) 15:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, don't put bands that have no article onto the list. It's for bands with articles only, so that it complies with WP:NOT. The Kinslayer 15:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to take this up on the various talk pages of the individual bands then. Until then, enjoy being reverted. The Kinslayer 16:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Because there are sources stating them as Doom, per WP:ATT. Your turn. And you looking at both the anonymous IP and your own edit history, I'm pretty sure you are the only person thinking along these lines. The Kinslayer 08:13, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree with your edits on Chalice, Lacrimas Profundere, Novembre, and Theatre of Tragedy. IMO, all these bands have (or in ToT's and LP's cases, used to have) significant doom elements. Your version of doom metal seems to include only those bands working in an overtly Black Sabbath-influenced style, which is inconsistent with usual usage.--Jsorens 19:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reinserting all the above except the one that was not Doom. Your giving undue weight to a single source. You have one source where they aren't listed as Doom (not specifically stated as not being Doom), there are MULTIPLE sources saying they are doom. This isn't a list based on your solitary opinion, and as the above post shows, I'm not the only one feeling your trying to muscle your own POV onto the list. The Kinslayer 15:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: In the interests of ending this amicably, I've requested someone from Wikiproject Metal take a look at this debate and give their opinion since we're just arguing in circles! DarkSaber2k 16:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amorphis, Novembre, Eternal Tears Of Sorrow, Theatre Of Tragedy, etc. 

message: Tiamat must be in here. They really were doom. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.112.15.197 (talk) 16:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the original poster. Both Clouds and Wildhoney had doom pieces, so the band should be included.--Jsorens 13:51, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothingagainst, the title of this list is NOT List of bands that are Doom in nothingagainsts opinion The Kinslayer 15:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you citing Metal Archives? You were insinuating they were completely unreliable further up the page. DarkSaber2k 11:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree here, I can't find any sources that have actually listed Tiamat as Doom Metal. DarkSaber2k 20:07, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: According to WP:RS it's a perfect source for this. Has it occured to you that your 'defintive' list could easily have  gaps in it? The absence of a band from that list is not proof that that band has no right to be on the list. DarkSaber2k 13:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I was just wondering the same thing, why you cited Metal Archive when earlier you had said they wern't reliable for this list. Anyways, I'm taking a wikibreak from now. The Kinslayer 16:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiamat were doom. 

message: Clouds is a doom.
It's true because this album have nothing to do with goth or death metal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.112.15.197 (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiamat were doom. 

message: Why Graveworm not mentioned? Their first album "When Daylight's Gone" (©1997) has "extremely heavy influences from doom metal" ( Wikipedia article), so it can be stated as "gothic doom-black metal".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.64.201.37 (talk) 10:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graveworm 

message: Why the hell Amorphis and Type o Negative are still in the list?! I am big fan of Amorphis and heard so much songs from the TON and i see the nothing full-doomy in their stuffs only influences. As i ever said influences per se does'nt make a band straightforward doom metal (no i don't mean only trad.doom for that matter.
All of mentined band in the list must have an dominant doom-side not only influences of doom) bands.
BTW Nothingagaints is raight ,that these bands does'nt fit to doom metal-scene ,because they are not doom at all!
Also when many people said the "gloom&doom" in the reviews of Amorphis classic Tales from the 1000 Lakes it does'nt mean doom metal,
it is eel and atmosphere of that album.
:Type O Negative should definitely be removed. I'm on the fence about Tales from the Thousand Lakes; I certainly don't think it's obvious that it's not doom: slow, sad, heavy, the basic elements are there.--Jsorens 17:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some bands should be realy removed 

message: Bethlehem (German band) is, or at least was at one time, dark metal. Wasn't dark metal originally a species of doom? Additionally, Bethlehem is included in :Category:Doom metal and does not appear on other metal genre lists (there is no list for dark metal).--Jsorens 17:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But if that's true, then there should be a "list of dark metal bands," but there isn't one right now.--Jsorens 17:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bethlehem

message: if Isis, Neurosis, Callisto, Cult of Luna are doom, what's wrong with The Ocean being doom, too? After all, they always refer to their music as 'ambient soundtrack doomrock' (whatever that might be)... I mean, they used to sound more like Isis than Isis themselves MamaJohnny 16:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ocean 

message: Should early Black Sabbath be on this list? There is an edit war going on concerning their inclusion. What sources do we have? Nothingagainst has presented a source that says that they are. Are there any sources that say that they weren't? Perhaps this is a case of them being influential, or defining the genre that they pre-dated? Anyway, please stop edit warring and talk out your differences. I'm sure you can reach a compromise.-Andrew c [talk] 14:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Sabbath 

message: Hey, can someone right now explain me should these bands, be on the list? Some
relevant sources, stating them as doom metal, as far as i've heard their stuffs. And Opeth. They
have even album what is based doom metal. And ETOS (early), Sentenced and Amorphis. They influenced, by Paradise Lost's
Mid-period and early stuff. And Celtic Frost. Their, comeback album Monotheist is gothic doom metal. Doomfall 19:54, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cephalic Carnage, Dead To Fall, Godflesh, TITD etc 

message: Why are Welsh bands shown with a Welsh flag but other British bands only shown as British and not English, Northern Irish or Scottish? Surely we need some kind of uniform approach here brob (talk) 00:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been brought up elsewhere. The use of flags on these lists probably already contravenes WP:FLAG as it is, but as it is people pretty much uniformly want them to stay. If that's the case, the flags should reflect nationality (i.e. British, rather than Enlgish, Welsh etc.); this is the convention being used on other lists at present. What I find even more pointless is the use of the UN flags for bands with members of mixed nationality; they need replacing really. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welsh bands? 

message: Should Training for Utopia be included on this list? Their MusicMight database biography describe one of their albums as "drawing appreciation from the Sludgecore crowd." Is that enough to warrant inclusion?--3family6 (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You'd really need a source stating that they are a sludgecore band. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay then. I do not really care either way. As that is the only source that mentions anything about them sounding like that, I'll just leave them off the list, unless someone else has a different opinion. --3family6 (talk) 21:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Training for Utopia 

message: When I first saw August Burns Red listed on this article I thought I was hallucinating. But they were reliable sourced, so I decided to be fair and check the source in question. Aside from the style list by the side (which isn't used for citations), it doesn't specifically refer to the band or album as doom metal or any of the other terms that would get a band listed here, so I removed the band. Then my edit gets reverted because stoner metal is mentioned in the article, and apparently a mere reference to stoner metal in the main text makes August Burns Red a doom band.
The sentence that mentions stoner metal, quoted from the Allmusic review above:
"Still, elements of vintage '70s metal do thread through these 11 songs, rather like a less snarky version of the Eagles of Death Metal or any of the Kyuss-inspired stoner metal bands without the bongwater buzz."
Is there any part of that sentence, or the review itself, that actually calls August Burns Red a stoner metal band, or Messengers a stoner metal album? There's "elements that are similar to", that's really not enough to keep the band on the list considering how controversial an entry they are. --LordNecronus (talk) 22:08, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Originally I had thought Allmusic tags reliable, but found out otherwise when my edit was changed from the band bio to the Messengers album. Someone other then me changed it to the Messengers, so I felt it was reliable enough to keep.--3family6 (talk) 22:50, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  August Burns Red 

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