Talk:The Passenger (1975 film)

message: I am nzkpzq (Michael E. Grost).
I write scholarly critical studies of film directors, which are posted on my personal web site.
Recently, I added links to my scholarly Michelangelo Antonioni article to the Wikipedia entry on Antonioni, and to such films as L'Avventura, La Notte and The Passenger.
They were immediately deleted as "vandalism".
I am a newcomer to Wikipedia, and am confused.
Are such links appropriate?
The Wikipedia is full of links to reviews in big time mass media, such as Robert Ebert and the New York Times.
Do you have to be a member of big-bucks media to link a critical study to Wikipedia?
Are scholarly articles "vandalism"?
My site is completely non-commercial, no-advertising, no-spam.
Please advise.
:Justification for reversion:
:First, check criteria for removal
:*If this article were to be re-written as a featured article, the link would not be redundant, as it does not illustrate the subject, but a related topic. pass.
:*Does the site mislead the reader? No sources are presented, so a preliminary fail
:*The link addition does not appear to be an effort to generate visitors, however its addition to many pages by the same user does, fail
:*Not a commercial link, passes
:*The target does not have any advertisements, passes
:*Registration not required, passes
:*External application not required to view, pass
:*Neither a search engine nor a social networking site nor a blog nor a wiki, pass
:*Indirectly related to the article's subject, fail
:Based on the criteria, the link appears good
:*Conflict of interest not apparent, however the user who added it has added it to many pages, see policy on spam: Adding the same link to many articles. The first person who notices you doing this will go through all your recent contributions with an itchy trigger finger on the revert button. And that's not much fun..
:Based on this last point, the link is appropriate, however should not be added en masse. If it:
:*Contributes information beyond the scope of the article, but is
:*Related to the subject, and is also
:*Well referenced,
:It may be added to a few articles, where most appropriate. Relevant policies would be spam, external links, and references, please review those, and enjoy your stay, if you need help, feel free to ask! ST47 14:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not going to get into a discussion of the minutiae of Wiki policy & etiquette, but it seems to me obvious enough that it was rude & uncalled-for to label the original change as "vandalism", as if the good-faith addition of a link to a pertinent, informative & well-maintained page on Antonioni were on par with the usual "I WUZ HERE" graffiti we see on Wikipedia. --ND 17:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scholary article links 

message: :Image:The.passenger.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The.passenger.jpg

message: What is the reference(s) for the recent edit/addition:  "Whilst the location of the hotel is stated to be Osuna in the film, the bullring at the edge of the square is recognisably that of Vera in Almería province?"  This is a highly significant statement and I personally know of only very few Internet citations (primarily in Spanish) that are not of a scholarly nature, and no references in the standard academic literature in either text or journal articles to Vera as the exact filming site. To my knowledge, the most recent reference to Vera as the shooting location appeared in the Internet on-line manuscript:  "Michelangelo Antonioni's 'L'eclisse.  A broken piece of wood, a matchbook, a woman, a man," by D.S. Rosenfeld (davidsaulrosenfeld.com). The reference appeared in Rosenfeld's manuscript only days before the new Wikepedia edit/addition in Mid-May, 2010 (prior to the Wiki addition) and was followed subsequently by the addition of a jpg. on May 22, 2010 taken from Google Earth of the bullring of Vera. There appears to be a clear temporal relationship between the citation of Vera in Rosenfeld's manuscript (which includes detailed, multiple attribution) and the sudden appearance of Vera as the shooting site in the Wikipedia "Passenger" article. I do not know the rules/guidelines for proper attribution for Wikipedia per se (Mr. Grost alludes to some of these related issues very well in his note below). As a general rule, a reference should be cited, especially for a relatively new and significant observation. In a worse case scenario, lack of proper attribution may suggest that a writer is implying that he/she is the primary source, which then raises the spectre of plagiarism if this is not the case.V.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by  Varinia Simmons  (talk • contribs)  11:54, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable reference for the hotel in the penultimate shot

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message: it might just have been possible with a steadicam, had antonioni known of garrett brown's work, but the beginning of the shot, looking out through the window, is extremely steady, more so than an early steadicam could typically achieve when held stationary. moreover, when the shot moves outside, the angle & character of the shot isn't the typical human p.o.v that one gets with a bloke strapped into the vest & arm contraption, nor- one might argue- would that have been appropriate for the shot.
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/one_of_cinemas_great_scenes_the_last_7_minutes_of_antonionis_the_passe
duncanrmi (talk) 01:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  that penultimate shot