Talk:Imagination (film)

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MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 21:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rebuttable presumption|Reasonable presumption]] of [[WP:GNG|notability]] 

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**Here you go... a diligent WP:BEFORE offered to anyone who reads this talk page, and still somehow contends this film has not met the notability criteria for films. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: More sources

message: It's all well and good to put a tag and say it doesn't meet five criteria, but how about a link to what those criteria are? It seems to me that it was released; revived in multiple publications from Variety to Film Journal; is feature length; contains a narrative; is professionally made, etc. What exactly is the problem here? --Tenebrae (talk) 01:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The criteria cited seem to give short shrift to avant garde or experimental cinema. As much distaste as I have for the filmmaker or his friends having tried to use this and the Eric Leiser article self-promotionally, Imagination has gotten much more coverage than most avant garde or experimental films get. Film Journal International, from the same publisher as The Hollywood Reporter and other periodicals, is a major industry trade magazine, and a cursory Googling reveals reviews from the sources that another editor notes above, plus the AMC cable channel's FilmCritic.com and Variety. I've added the latter to the article. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:32, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I obviously have a distaste for attempts by people associated with the film maker to abuse the wikipedia. However, tat isn't relevant to my view that this article should be deleted. I'm not sure that wikipedia's notability guidelines are prejudiced against independent and avante gard films. This film is (or so the director says) in the tradition of the Bros. Quay and Svankmeyer. Its quite clear that the films of those men have received a great deal of attention -- notably attention that would justify their notability under the second criterion of wikinotability. Perhaps -- if Leiser develops more a film maker and develops a larger oeuvre -- then later this film will be seen as worthy of longer reviews by known critics or of inclusion in syllabuses. But at the moment, the answer is clearly no. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 02:56, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: With respects, you made an error in your deletion nomination by basing your arguments upon criteria intended for films that have been out for 5 years or longer.  It is totally inappropriate to attempt to judge a 2007 film by criteria that will not apply until 2012.  That said, the film has indeed been reveiwed by nationally known critics and by websites accepted by consensus as reliable enough to offer their opinions.  It's a definite keep per applicable WP:NF criteria.  Perhaps upon reflection, you might wish to withdraw your deletion nomination?   Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion? Why?

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