Talk:Holy of Holies

message: These are the exact same thing and do not merit multiple articles. Also the pronounciation of Kadosh Kadoshim is not universal (Kadosh HaKodashim is the term used in the Bible. Valley2city 16:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed in the section above on whether to merge Holy of Holies with Most Holy Place, they are totally different things. Holy of Holies, in its current form, is a common noun representing, as the article indicates, a generic term for "the most sacred place within a sacred building." in a variety of religions. Kadosh Kadoshim is a proper noun representing a specific location in the Tabernacle, Temple in Jerusalem, and current Temple Mount -- that is, it's selected precisely because it is the specific term used in the Bible, not a generic term. There is more than enough material to devote an article specifically to the place holy to Judaism, and it's perfectly logical to have an article on this subject given its high notability and verifiabilty and the amount of detail available to be said about it. Given that both the current Holy of Holies article and Most Holy Place are intended to be generic, then perhaps this merge should occur and there should be one generic article rather than two. I would suggest that the single generic article have summaries and links to specific articles on the different religions and sites as they are developed and split off. Editors are welcome to develop individual articles on the sites holy to Latter-Day Saints, Bahai, and other traditions to be linked into the main article. Best, --Shirahadasha 00:18, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't object to renaming the pronunciation. It is Kadosh HaKadashim in Mishnah Yoma 5:2. --Shirahadasha 06:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Renamed article to Kadosh Hakadashim. --Shirahadasha 01:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Whether to name Kadosh Kadoshim that or something else is distinct from whether it should be merged or not (in general, we have some serious style inconsistencies with how articles with hebrew names are titled, but that's incidental). Shriahadasha's suggestion above seems to make a lot of sense. I would be surprised if we didn't have more than enough sources to flesh out Kadosh Kadoshim as well as the major holy sites of the LDS or other religions as well. JoshuaZ 00:23, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Given the article Holy of Holies (LDS), another alternative would be to move the article to Holy of Holies (Judaism) and move the content on other religions either to their own articles or to Most Holy Place. This alternative was, however, opposed by a number of editors in an earlier discussion. --Shirahadasha 06:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per above, spun off most content to Kadosh Hakadashim article and left summary (and "Main" link) in Judaism section. This way Judaism section ends up comparable to other religions and gets its own article since there is an article's worth of content (like Holy of Holies (LDS). Best, --Shirahadasha 23:45, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[Kadosh Hakadashim]] into [[Holy of Holies]] 

message: I think the topic of the cleaning, repairing, and repainting of the Holy of Holies is important because it was the only time that someone other than the High Priest on Yom Kippur went in. It also was not through the traditional entrance that the handyman would go through to get there and he would never touch the floor. Anyone with more information on this? Valley2city 17:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning of the holy of holies 

message: The construction "Holy of Holies" is a literal translation of a Hebrew idiom.  Rendering it as "Most Holy Place" (as the KJV does) may not preserve its full meaning.  The NASB's rendering is more literal; but the reader has to both recognize and decipher the idiom.
Comparable to:
      Eccl 1:2 -- Vanity of vanities ...
      Sol 1:1 -- The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
The KJV translated the idiom literally in those cases.
Also in Greek:
      Rev 17:14 ... Lord of lords, and King of kings
References:
*http://www.gracecathedral.org/enrichment/brush_excerpts/brush_20051025.shtml
*http://www.gracecathedral.org/enrichment/brush_excerpts/brush_20060117.shtml
*_Unger's Bible Dictionary_: page 178, Article on "Canticles", section on "The Name".
Ac44ck 17:18, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Most Holy Place" is a paraphrase? 

message: Please see Talk:Most Holy Place#Proposed reorganization: Holy of Holies, Most Holy Place, and Holiest place. TCC (talk) (contribs) 20:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the discussion appeared to reach agreement, I am implementing it. Most Holy Place is being renamed Most sacred sites. This "Holy of Holies" article is being altered to describe only traditions which have a site they specifically call a "Holy of Holies". Other religions with special sites with other traditional names, such as Hinduism, will be moved to Most sacred sites. The intros are being rewritten to reflect the new article scopes. Best, --Shirahadasha 22:13, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This reorganization broke the link at the top of the top of the Most sacred sites article.  This is discussed further in the talk page for that article. -Ac44ck (talk) 04:59, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed reorganization: [[Holy of Holies]], [[Most Holy Place]], and [[Holiest place]] 

message: As a Muslim, I have witnessed many prominent Imams and Muftis call Jerusalem Al Quds the Holy of Holies, could you make something out of it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.182.33 (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Edit the page yourself !  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.185.60.226 (talk) 03:33, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy of Holies قدس الأقداس 

message: Somebody spelled this wrong in Hebrew. You're missing a "shin" in the first word.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.173.14.238 (talk) 03:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Hebrew spelling

message: Could someone with more knowledge about this subject write more about this please?
here's a link to get started on:  122.110.180.42 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 22:41, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy of holies in ancient Mesopotamian religion 

message: What is the need for Kodesh Hakodashim and Sanctum sanctorum? In ictu oculi (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A look at Google Scholar suggests that the overwhelming meaning of this term relates to Ancient Israel. The Christian uses are considerably less notable and derivative and could be spun off into Holy of Holies (Christianity). In ictu oculi (talk) 03:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Support merging Kodesh Hakodashim into Holy of Holies. That may take a bit of work, but they are definitely talking about the same thing, primarily. StAnselm (talk) 04:35, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: StAnselm, thanks. Goodo, this should be fairly straightforward and non-controversial. I cannot see any immediate reference for ἁγίος τῶν ἁγίων in Greek refering to the altar of a EO church. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:00, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Currently, Kodesh Hakodashim redirects to Holy of Holies.  But it not listed as a synonym, and the only references I ran across make it sound like it is a distinct thing.  e.g. at http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/144745/jewish/The-Holy-of-Holies.htm it says Some say the rock was in the very center of the Holy of Holies; others say it was near the western wall of the Holy of Holies, and still others maintain that it was near the curtains separating the Kodesh and the Holy of Holies. Please define Kodesh Hakodashim in this article.  ★NealMcB★ (talk) 04:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate articles with non-English titles

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