Talk:Anne-Marie Imafidon

message: : Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Please establish a consensus for this large overhaul. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2021 

message: [1] Our people: Dr Anne-Marie Imafidon MBE. Our people - Research England. (2021, April). Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://re.ukri.org/about-us/our-people/. 
[2] Hamilton, I. A. (2018, October 4). Meet the coding prodigy who has Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on her side in the fight to boost women in Tech. Business Insider. Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://www.businessinsider.com/anne-marie-imafidon-coding-prodigy-fighting-for-women-in-tech-2018-10?r=US&IR=T. 
[3] Salesforce. (2016, October 10). Stemettes helps more girls realise their potential and their career dreams with apps and analytics. Salesforce.org. Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://www.salesforce.org/stories/stemettes-npsp/. 
[4] Girls do stem too... Stemettes ®. (2021, December 2). Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://stemettes.org/. 
[5] Stemillions. (n.d.). Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://stemillions.mn.co/. 
[6] Forbes Magazine. (2021). Anne-Marie Imafidon. Forbes. Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://www.forbes.com/profile/anne-marie-imafidon/?sh=3766473679e8. 
[7] Inspirational woman: Dr. Anne-Marie Imafidon MBE: Founder, stemettes - wearetechwomen - supporting women in Technology. WeAreTechWomen. (2021, May 7). Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://wearetechwomen.com/inspirational-woman-dr-anne-marie-imafidon-mbe-founder-stemettes/. 
[8] Dr Anne-Marie Imafidon MBE: Keynote speaker: Biography. Anne-Marie Imafidon MBE. (2021, December 6). Retrieved December 8, 2021, from https://aimafidon.com/about/. Megangilbert77 (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Does Imafidon have an undergraduate degree? Her masters degree from Oxford (MSc) is a one-year supervised course with a dissertation. The University's information about the MSc in Mathematics and Computer Science says an entry requirement is normally "a first-class undergraduate degree with honours in a subject with significant mathematical content" https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-mathematics-and-foundations-computer-science. Thomas Peardew (talk) 08:34, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to this article out of interest having listened to the subject on an interesting radio programme (BBC, The Life Scientific, presently ref 1 at article) this morning. I must say, it's a bit odd and could be improved quite a bit. The subject is a notable young black (and God knows there are too few black people the subject of Wikipedia articles) woman (ditto) who has received many plaudits, including a number of honorary doctorates. She is currently president of the British Science Association. And yet the article, and strangely even this Talk page, reads like a CV produced by an interested party rather than a mature WP:BLP. Some of the content makes little sense, much is unreferenced and some of the references (e.g. websites) look like they've all come from the same primary source material. Like you, @Thomas Peardew, I find the degree thing peculiar. That section of the article at present seems almost  carefully written to evade mention of an undergraduate degree. On the radio programme this morning, the masters degree referred to was described as a 'four year combined degree', and I must say I'm not aware of any of those at Oxford. It occurs to me that the subject may have attended a foundation year followed by an undergraduate degree which has now been converted into an MA (rather than an MSc?). If that's the case, it's perfectly straightforwards and should be described as such here. I'm not sure the foundation year existed 10 years ago, which according to the subject's timeline is when she might have gone to university, though. I also see that the subject is listed at Keble College as matriculating in 2006, when she would have been, according to the date of birth at the article, when she was newly 16. This would have required Oxford to have offered her a place when she was little over 15. I wonder if the date of birth at the article (which is unreferenced) might be wrong? She is listed at Companies house as being a year older; that might make the matriculation date more in keeping with the time line? I also find the 'child prodigy' thing odd. I can see how a WP:BLP subject (e.g. Mozart) could be described as such following lots of references in non-deprecated sources, but here the references extend from a website which mentions a couple of GCSEs taken early (without evidence or results). If she did particulate at 16 or even newly 17, that might provide evidence but there would need to be a relevant and non-deprecated secondary source I think. All in all, there is a risk, I think, that the present nature of this article on an apparently successful young trailblazer has the form of a not-entirely-frank brand building exercise. I do not suggest that the subject, who would presumably know all the details discussed here, has any involvement in such an exercise. I do wonder, though, if the great lump of text earlier at this talk page is a crude construction by someone who has put an original article together but not quite known how Wikipedia works. I think I may make the odd improvement; removing the child prodigy stuff, tidying up some the language and finding some references might be a start. I'll leave this comment here to see if anyone else has a view then, if appropriate, make a few edits. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 10:37, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I found the relevant Oxford degree! It's called an MMathsCompsci. Undergraduates enter as normal and either leave at 3 years with a BA or 4 with an MMathsCompSci. I won't put in the external link here but it's easily Googled once you know what you're looking for. (Sort of) mystery solved! Hurrah! Emmentalist (talk) 15:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degree 

message: See my comments in reply above to Thomas Peardew (talk. I've concluded that the weakesses of this article - e.g. unreferenced material, weak material with little scope to verify, some apparent errors of fact - extend mainly from early WP:promotion. The subject is notable and is not done justice by the present state of the article. I will edit in sections. Very happy to discuss.Emmentalist (talk) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing to improve article and remove WP:promotion

message: I noticed that an unsigned-in editor added a new honorary degree and read the whole thing again since my edits of around a year ago. I have taken out some of the detail about the subject's parents as I simply can't find any acceptable reference, while there are quite a few references at non-deprecated sources which suggest that Chris Imafidon, Anne Marie's father, has often invented titles and qualifications for himself. The safest thing here therefore is to make reference to the father (the Daily Mail is a deprecated source but I feel that there article referred to there justifies assuming that Chris is her father, although little/nothing else) but keep the detail light. I've also been stuck, on this pass, how there really is very little in the way of non-deprecated sources right across the article. The Times article is a good source, although like a number of websites cited it replicates almost precisely what is on the subjects own website. Looking across the sources, the point made by Thomas Peardew about the subject's degree/s still seems of interest. I have left the information about the subject's degree although I am still not fully confident on that point; Some of the websites cited in the article give conflicting information. There is something odd about the lack of a first degree, and in the Al-Khalili interview cited the subject herself describes her MSc as a four year combined honours and masters degree (there is no such degree). The 'Dr' in the references seems to extend from the subject's 9 honorary doctorates. I do not suggest that there is anything untoward about the subject's qualifications, simply that it would be much better if this area were cleared up. I also think the 'quotations' section would be better removed as it looks somewhat WP:Promotion. Anyway, I'd appreciate other thoughts before making any alterations. Emmentalist (talk) 13:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits to early life and recognition sections