Talk:Ethnic pornography

message: The article has become a piling of three separate topics, namely ethnic stereotypes in pornography, interracial pornography, and the concept of racial fetishism. A gallery that merely serves visual appeal had been added to justify this piling but the title of the article is not consistent with the content of either sections. I propose the article be divided into three separate ones as per their proper subject matters. Behemoth (talk) 14:21, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article 

message: This article seems to have been written by a particularly inept and naive person, possibly making a clumsy attempt at humor...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.71.240 (talk) 23:49, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comedy? 

message: Race is a void and meaningless word if one describes difference in appearance, e.g. skin colour; regardless of what US legislation says. When a male and a female are able to produce offspring which is also fertile then it follows that those aforementioned two are of the same race (human -> i.e. earthlings - not uranian, saturnan, venusian or martian).
Don't blindly believe me (i am european and used to be a dirty commie): check the facts. Sintermerte (talk) 04:14, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true. The article is inherently racist (as is the phenomenon described in the article). --Anvilaquarius (talk) 19:09, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Race? 

message: The article is an incoherent piling of two separate and vaguely related subjects: a (primarily American) pornographic niche and a postcolonial theory. Meets the criteria for Wikipedia:CONSPLIT Ahriman2014 (talk) 20:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Content split request

message: I have drafted additional information to "Controversy in American Pornography" and "Interracial Pornography" to the page "Ethnic Pornography" in my user sandbox. 
Link to user/MHayashi95/sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mhayashi95/sandbox
Mhayashi95 (talk) 07:33, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , I see that you are with Education Program:University of Illinois/Queer Lives, Queer Politics (Fall 2014), and are working on the ethnic pornography aspect in your WP:Sandbox. Your WP:Sandbox is the place for all of that material, not the talk page. If you want editors to know about your WP:Sandbox on this matter, all you have to do is start a section on this talk page about it, explaining it, and then link to the WP:Sandbox. You've already started this section and linked to your WP:Sandbox; so that will suffice for letting other editors know about your work on this case. Flyer22 (talk) 07:46, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Thanks for cutting back your talk page content, . Flyer22 (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note to other editors 

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message: Quotes from "Why Porn’s ‘Interracial’ Label Is Racist" by The Daily Beast:
*"In theory, interracial porn could refer to sex between people of different races—but it doesn’t. The term “interracial” has a much different connotation when applied to adult entertainment. Within the porn vernacular, the term interracial denotes black and white and refers mostly to black guy/white girl action."
*"consumers searching for “interracial” movies have come to expect black guy/white woman action, especially when they see titles like White is the New Black or Interracial Cougar Cuckold. Insiders say that to update and/or change how porn categorizes interracial now might be too confusing for consumers."
*"If interracial means black guy and white girl in the world of porn, what about scenes between Asians, Latinas, and the rest of the racial rainbow? “In porn, they don’t count it as interracial unless a black man is in it,” says Asian porn star Cindy Starfall. “So, even though for me everyone I work with is interracial because I’ve never had an Asian co-star, it’s not labeled as interracial.”"
Quotes from "Adult star Janice Griffith reveals the racist secrets of porn marketing" by Fusion:
*"Just as “Creampie” and “MILF” mean something very definite, so too does “IR” porn: it’s invariably a black man and a white woman—or a white enough woman.“When it comes to shooting women performers of color, it depends on what color you are. How racist is that?” Griffith asks. “It doesn’t matter if you’re Asian, or Latina, or Native American, or indigenous to anywhere as long as you’re not dark,” Griffith says, suggesting that porn makes whiteness a capacious term. While Latina, Asian or meso-Caribbean women may be performing in a scene, “inter-racial” never refers to anything but black men and “white” women. Black women, dark skinned or light skinned, as always relegated to the “ebony” category. As elastic as it is toward whiteness, the adult industry can only see one shade of IR."
Quotes from "Porn's Race Problem" by Vocativ:
*"The term “interracial” porn is misleading—hence the scare quotes—because it generally isn’t applied to scenes between a white woman and, say, an Asian man. “It simply means ‘a black person,’” says Isiah Maxwell, an African-American performer. And, Maxwell says, it can simply mean a black man, regardless of the woman’s race." Rebecca1990 (talk) 21:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be ridiculous. This is a promotional usage that conflicts with standard usage, that's disputed, that's criticized as racist, and which even by the majority of the sources you cite, is not described as universal or accepted outside the marketing context. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:37, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the sources demonstrate that this view exists and merits inclusion in the article. Which secondary sources can you present that use the broader definition?·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:07, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

text: *It's easy enough to find relevant scholarly sources which put the lie to the disputed claim: Here's one which not only deals with gay sex but uses "interracial" to describe white-Asian male-male sexual enounters. As one of the sources cited by Rebecca1990 actually states, this is a usage propagated by "most sites that sell or host pirated clips of porn", not a general usage; marketing shorthand like this has no more place in detrmining how an encyclopedia categorizes or defines terms than the shelf tags in my local Duane Reade have in our handling of pharmaceuticals. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by admins since 2006.  (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what I added to the article: "Interracial pornography refers to sex scenes featuring a white woman and a black man. Sex scenes featuring performers of different races, none of them being a black male, aren't referred to as interracial. Scenes featuring a black man with a woman who is neither black nor white are also labeled as interracial if the woman has light skin. Pornography featuring black women is categorized as "ebony" instead of interracial." Considering Morbidthoughts's comments above and his edit summary's on this article, perhaps we can reword the above to (changes in CAPS): "Interracial pornography USUALLY refers to sex scenes featuring a white woman and a black man. Sex scenes featuring performers of different races, none of them being a black male, aren't OFTEN referred to as interracial. Scenes featuring a black man with a woman who is neither black nor white CAN also labeled as interracial if the woman has light skin. Pornography featuring black women is COMMONLY categorized as "ebony" instead of interracial." This usage of the word "interracial" was not made up by porn piracy sites as insinuated above. The fact that AVN and XBIZ regularly reports that a certain porn star has made her interracial debut in a film while there are prior performances of her with either black women and/or Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, etc. of any gender is proof of this. The use of "interracial" as white female/black male is common knowledge within porn, so there is no need for AVN/XBIZ to explain in their articles "So-and-so has shot her first interracial scene with a black male for whatever film/studio. Although she has shot with black females before, as well as Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, etc. of both genders, this is her first scene with a black male." AVN/XBIZ simply states "So-and-so has shot her first interracial scene for whatever film/studio" because it is already implied that they are referring to her first scene with a black male. This has been turned into a semantics argument with no regard for context, which is what matters here. Rebecca1990 (talk) 22:19, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

text:  This source I feel will be useful to anyone interested . Dwanyewest (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition of "interracial" within the porn industry 

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message: I've remarked that majority of ebony video feature white men/black women scene but aren't counted as interracial. Same with asian (unlike japanese) video which include mostly white men and asian women but again the "interracial" label isn't involved. Maybe we should made a section explaining the confusion between interracial relationship in pornography and the "interacial" label  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:A03F:6B8E:EE00:E0B9:A851:F39F:15D4 (talk) 11:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ebony as a pornographic sub genre : white man/black women scene? 

message: Japan has a whole catagory of blacked porn (Black dude on japanese chicks) with the same type of racial dynamics and afrophobia that exists in the US. Primarly about their irrational fear of black military personal even though history has nothing to show for it. We could probably add it to this page. Just a thought.2603:7000:1F00:6B91:571:CD97:ED0A:E80 (talk) 01:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacked porn in japan 

message: That section is in need of a clean up.  Thoughts on moving forward? --Surv1v4l1st ╠Talk║Contribs╣ 01:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: :There are six entries in the "External links". Three seems to be an acceptable number and of course, everyone has their favorite to add for four. The problem is that none is needed for article promotion. 
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thread_title:  External links 

message: https://wellcomecollection.org/works/ujks8n8n?wellcomeImagesUrl=/indexplus/image/L0033278.html 
It is specifically stated in the source that this image depicts a Persian couple. It is therefore not an example of inter - ethnic or inter - racial pornography. 2600:100C:B0A2:8671:0:B:1C07:E901 (talk) 03:43, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian miniature