Talk:National Rally

message: They are mostly right anyway.
93.206.55.49 (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Is British Encyclopedia even a good source to label the NP as far-right? Why not rely on direct sources rather than an encyclopedia site? Jimmy Jimbo Johnson the V (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We aren't reliant on them, there are about 10 sources of various kinds, including BE. Pincrete (talk) 04:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "far-right" terminology 

message: "nationalist", "populist", "far-right"
Three negative terms in the first sentence. Even for the left-wing wikipedia a new low. Why is Melanchon and his truly far-left wing party not "socialist", "communist" and "far-left"?? Please get rid of the bias here. 62.226.75.127 (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Melanchon's party is left wing but the far left in France is represented by the parties that do call themselves communists, The RN is definitly Nationalist and far right, this is a fact and not critism, populist here is the only one that can be take as critism The basque savior (talk) 16:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smear terms in the introduction 

message: I think the number of ideologies needs reducing. For starts, "Protectionism" isn't an ideology. Second, there aren't many references for "Anti-immigration" and "Sovereignty" to warrant being in it. These are my proposed ideologies:
*French nationalism
*Right-wing populism
*Eurosceptic
ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 12:25, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree Braganza (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There may be 'ideology bloat', but reducing to these three is too drastic. Being "anti-immigration" is what the party is probably best known for and its removal would be hard to justify imo. Pincrete (talk) 09:12, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: it is closely associated with nationalism & right-wing populism though Braganza (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying NR is ? Which is wholly true. Or that "anti-immigration" is  - which is rather favouring a euphemistic implication over the "elephant in the room", ie the thing most frequently noted about them, that they are "anti-immigration". Souverainism appears to be poorly sourced, it isn't a common term in the Anglosphere and again appears somewhat euphemistic.Pincrete (talk) 15:04, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: i mean the latter, i could see Protectionism listed but Anti-immigration and Souverainism is pretty unnecessary Braganza (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see removing anti-immigration getting much support here. Their attitude to immigration is the thing most commented upon - certainly in English language sources. Souverainism is barely used in English sources as a term (though it should be for pro-Brexit politicians!). Pincrete (talk) 23:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see Protectionism being kept, as it is an economic policy, rather than an ideology. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be in favour of removing Euroscepticism, but I think most users are in favour of keeping it on various political party pages, as it isn't an ideology, but a position/belief. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 13:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: On most political party pages, in my experience, the tendency is for broad political positions to be listed, rather than strict definitions of 'ideology'. Pincrete (talk) 11:24, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideology parametre 

message: Hello all
Most of this section is way out of date (sources dating from 2007-2015). I have updated some sections with new information and have cut or summarised some information which is no longer current. Given that there is already a section on the history of the party, there is probably scope for cutting some more of the information about the party's past political profile. I will work through the sections in the coming weeks whenever I get the chance. Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 09:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What you appear to regard as a fault, I regard as a virtue. I'm not terribly invested in this article and I can't remember how it got onto my watchlist, but WP is an encyclopedia, taking a longer term view of political orgs, not a mouthpiece for the latest piece of PR. An unreasonable amount of the info IMO is sourced to the party itself and/or very recent campaigns. I have occasionaly visited Fr WP, I have always got the impression that that sort of 'promotional', breathless, 'press-release'-y style is more prevalent there. Pincrete (talk) 10:28, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but a longer term view doesn't suddenly stop in 2015 (or 2007) and present this as the party's current political profile. There is only one source which is sourced to the party itself and all I did was update it from the 2013 party platform to the 2022 party platform. I'm sure you'd agree that an encyclopedia shouldn't wilfully present out of date information as a virtue. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 10:35, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: When I said sourced to the party, I was also thinking of interview content such as "Le Pen stated that there was a difference between “fighting immigration and fighting immigrants” just as there was between respecting religious freedoms and tackling “religious totalitarianism”. She is hardly going to say in the middle of an election that she is intentionally demonising foreigners and Muslims is she? Donald Trump claims to be the least racist person on earth! So what? The info might as well have come from the press office of the NR. Pincrete (talk) 10:52, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should have included the quote from Macron's party leader saying that Le Pen is soft on Islam. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:23, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political profile