Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/Archive 3

message: Cleared 100+ entries on Hyderabad yesterday & today (too slow for 24 hours? ;)). 85% of them link to Hyderabad, India, 10% to Hyderabad, Pakistan and 5% to Hyderabad State. (almost disambiguated all Hyderabad, India entries. Of the unfinished job left, majority would be of Hyderabad, Pakistan with some to Hyderabad State). So, I was wondering if Hyderabad should lead directly to Hyderabad, India with 2 disambiguation links on that page. Any views? ---Gurubrahma 07:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyderabad 

message: It looks like the database dump started on 2005-09-09 may finish any day now. In anticipation of this, I wrote an analysis script that handles the new XML dump format. It can be found at User:Bo Lindbergh/dabalyze. Comments and suggestions welcome. Bo Lindbergh 22:43, September 11, 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for working on the technical side of things, it's really appreciated.
::I think when the new list is generated, that significant time should be allocated to sorting out if an article should remain a dab. A couple of months in from the last dump and Vice-Chancellor stills lies in limbo. --Commander Keane 15:47, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Aaand it's finished! Downloading now. Bo Lindbergh 03:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Report re-generated. Bo Lindbergh 06:23, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New dump coming 

message: :I've transplanted this from the the project page --Commander Keane 10:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's not on the list then the collaboration has worked somewhat, there are less than 100 links (main namespace), I don't think that's embarassing. --Commander Keane 10:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There look like quite a lot including redirects. Susvolans ⇔ 10:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seemed to be around 100 (incl. redirects) and after discounting user pages and Wikipedia space, I can understadn why it's not on the list. --Commander Keane 11:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll admit I was a bit hasty in my comment, and all because 1. I didn't click "next 50" a second time and 2. since it hasn't been wrapped up and I haven't worked on it, that it's not getting sufficient attention. Has it turned out to be an especially sticky one? I do feel like I should probably help on it. Whitejay251 12:22, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm working on a new version of the analyzer that chases redirects. Bo Lindbergh 16:15, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And with redirects included, Turk is back. Bo Lindbergh 22:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turk not on new list 

message: Using a search/replace bot, I was able to identify and correct over 100 pages that contained the phrase "album by American", invariably followed by "band", "singer", "rock band", etc., thereby reducing the counts for both of our top two targets.  Adventurous participants might want to try searching for other double-disambigs like "album by German", "album by British", etc.  --Russ Blau (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two birds with one stone 

message: District attorney should not be a disambig - the two choices it purports to disambig between are virtually the same officials at different levels of government.  I intend to make it an actual article on the office, and all the current disambig links will be fine pointing to that article. -- BD2412 talk 00:00, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd generally get some consensus before making a change like this one, like at Talk:Alice in Wonderland. --Commander Keane 12:19, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: User:BD2412's proposal seems sensible to me. Wikipedia:Be bold Stewart Adcock 13:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Posted my intent here for exactly that reason - but to be sure, I've also posted a similar notice at Talk:District attorney. I'll wait a few days to see if anyone has a thoughtful objection, and in the meantime draft an article on a temp page. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk 14:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[District attorney]] 

message: I've added some functionality to my popups tool which should help with disambiguation. To enable it, you should install the experimental development version of my script. See Wikipedia:Navigation popups for instructions, and be sure to set popupFixDabs=true;.
To use it, hover the mouse over a link pointing to a disambiguation page. A popup should appear, and after a (hopefully short) pause, a preview of the disambig page followed by a list of possible disambiguation targets should appear. Click one of the links at the bottom of the popup to disambiguate the link. The popup can get rather long, so you may have to scroll the page to see the links at the bottom (with keyboard or mousewheel).
If this is useful, if you have an idea to improve it or if it fails to work, please let me know! Lupin|talk|popups 02:12, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  
Experimental
 popups-assisted disambiguation 

message: I've been spending some time disambiguating (mainly English and £), and have come to the conclusion that there are situations when it is best not to disambiguate. For example:
Part of the richness of language is that it is possible to be deliberately imply several meanings:
*The English Butler: here English indicates that the Butler speaks English (with a particular accent implied), is ethnically English, and is (probably) an English national
Disambiguating by choosing one of these three actually looses imformation
*Or The Lord of the Rings is an English story. Again it's written in English and it's a mythology of England and the English.
*Or when saying "Hans Christian Andersen is Danish" I am simultaneously saying he is a Danish speaker, a Danish national and ethnically Danish.
*Avoiding disambiguation can help take a NPOV. So if I write an article about an Irish singer, I may want to avoid (in this particular article) the controversy over the political situation.
*Historically the meaning of a word may change. So if I write an article about the "English" King Alfred I can at least partially express the fact that in the time of King Alfred the language, territory and ethnicity of "England" were different by linking to a disambiguation page.
*Meta pages often deliberately link to disambiguation pages, so from Wikipedia:Naming conventions (languages) "In these examples, please place a redirect to English language at English (language) and also ensure that it is listed on the English disambiguation page."
Although I've used English in most of the examples above, I think that similar things apply in many cases of nationality/language/ethnicity. In disambiguating "English" most of the links were actually about the language and straightforward. But in the case when it was not about language I often felt the best option was to leave the ambiguity.
In terms of the educational aims of Wikipedia, it is sometimes educational to the reader to be presented with the fact that a term is ambiguous. Sure, it's mostly correct to go straight to the correct article, but if the readers reaction to a disambiguation link is likely to be "Gosh, I never realised that 'Ireland' meant so many things", then perhaps it's good to leave the ambiguity. User:Martin.Budden 29 Sept 2005.
*All good observations; thanks for sharing.  I'd like to see more use of (disambiguation) pages for these kinds of examples.  Where you do want the link to point to the disambiguation page, you can create xxx (disambiguation) and make it a redirect to your disambiguation page, then point / pipe the links at the redirect. This makes it very clear that you did mean to point to the disambiguation (so well-meaning disambiguators don't come along and change it) and stops your link being shown on our list of problem links.  This is actually the procedure given in WP:DAB#Links_to_disambiguation_pages but not much use is made of it. ~ Veledan • Talk + new 07:30, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Some time ago, whilst disambiguating mentions of Welsh, I came across the article English and Welsh, about a lecture given by Tolkien, in which there is a specific comment in the HTML text: "link to dab pages is intentional, since the topic is such disambiguation". I left it alone, but both English and Welsh were subsequently disambiguated. I have been bold and un-disambiguated them for now. This means that "What links here" for both English and Welsh will never be completely free of incoming article links, but I can see the point of the original comment. I have been very hard-put to decide between country and language for some links, but increasingly I agree with the author of that comment. There are some occasions where both senses are meant, and there is no non-cumbersome way to spell that out. Argh. Anyway, if anyone disagrees, they are welcome to re-disambiguate that pair of mentions, but this is just my explanation why I undid someone's work! Veledan's point about creating a specific link to a foo (disambiguation) page is a good one, and I'll look at that reference. Thanks!  Telsa 14:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: PS Someone has been very busy disambiguating links to Welsh: last time I looked, there were dozens, and now it's less than 50, 90% of which are talk or user pages. Dunno who it was, but wow, well done. Telsa 14:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thoughts of when not to disambiguate 

message: The disambig page Legion of Honor is nearly empty, with only two real options.  Every, or almost every, page that links to it really wants the Légion d'honneur page, not the non-existant page about the building in France or the other one about the building in San Fransisco.  Could we just redirect Legion of Honor to Légion d'honneur and add a header to the latter page about the San Francisco art museum? Stillnotelf 23:02, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite possible. I've moved the disuccion to Talk:Legion of Honor, to see if there are any objections. --Commander Keane 07:29, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Legion of Honor 

message: I went to go work on Classical music, I discovered that  contains a link to the dab page.  We probably don't want to repair this, since the stub will be put on any type of classical music, right?  Unfortunately, this will lead to a bunch of false links... --best, kevin  ···Kzollman | Talk··· 15:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting us know. If you do come across a false positve, you can dummy edit it (hit the save button without changing anything, this will not appear in the history) and it will no longer appear in the "What links here" for Classical music.--Commander Keane 16:53, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a "false positive."  The template links to the disambig page Classical music, and Kzollman believes this is the appropriate page for the template to link to (and I think I agree).  A dummy save won't change anything.  (Incidentally, in those cases where templates are revised to eliminate dab links, it's best to get a bot to touch all the pages that use the template.  I can do this if requested.)  --Russ Blau (talk) 17:27, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I should have said why I was posting my comment!  :)  I just mean to alert other project folks to the misleading state of the numbers, and I wanted to make sure that my opinion about the template is shared by other people. --best, kevin  ···Kzollman | Talk··· 20:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assumed that the template link had been fixed, I should have checked first.--Commander Keane 02:59, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical music 

message: I propose Urban - it's relatively small and should be fun.  BD2412 talk 19:34, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Urban would be a good one. A difficulty that needs to be solved, is what to do with all the pages that link to urban as an adjective description of place - referring to an urban setting or quality. See all the college entries that link to urban from an infobox, stating that the campus is an urban setting. I suppose these can go to urbanization, but that doesn't quite fit right. Whitejay251 17:58, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm inclined to link those to urban area.  BD2412 talk 18:05, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh,of course. I didn't even consider urban area, as I was thinking of it in the growth management context - an area set aside in advance for urbanization to occurr within. I wasn't thinking of it in the sense of describing the pre-existing development in an area, which is what I was looking for. I'm personally going to start working on 'urban' then. Whitejay251 18:45, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Urban is a good idea, any collaboration that converts  BD2412's outlook from "Hulk mad" to "should be fun" is a good thing. --Commander Keane 02:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next collaboration. 

message: I've been working on fixing links toward disambiuation pages toward two regions in France: Ile-de-France and Auvergne. There used to be provinces in the Middle Ages but in the 1980's, the government created administrative divisions with the same name. As a consequence, there are two pages, one for the province and one for the region. However, some articles talk about this person, born in the, say, 1920's who was born in 'Auvergne'. It doesn't make sense to point to either of the articles and it that case, I'm leaving the link toward the disambiguation page. I think, as a general rule, that links toward disambiguation pages can be OK.
Tony 02:52, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to change the link to Auvergne (disambiguation) to make it clear it should stay to the disambig page. - Stillnotelf 03:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that if a person was was born in the 1920's in Auvergne it is refering to Auvergne (province) (which describes a general region), which has ample disucssion about the région at the top of it article if there has been some confusion. --Commander Keane 06:18, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I second Commander Keane - leaving the link to the disambig page is kind of like telling the reader, "it's one of these - you figure it out".  BD2412 talk 06:33, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No it's none of these, as they are administrative subdivisions... but I guess a link to the province is okay. I almost finished Ile-de-France so you guys might want to check it out too. I'm making a dent on San Juan right now. Tony 17:29, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some links may not need be modified 

message: Urban is done now, so it's time to nominate a new page. For the future, we should probably get these nominations sorted out in advance. Having said that, I never have any good ideas myself. --Commander Keane 06:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next collaboration 

message: It appears that an Oct-09 dump is available on download.wikimedia.org.  Should we update this page?  --Russ Blau (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I was hoping we could make it to 100% for this dump, since a new dump generally takes all dabs with >=100 "What links here", all of the current unfinshed dabs will appear in the Oct-09 dump. However, if we do update, we will need to double check the counts since we have done a lot of work since Oct-09. --Commander Keane 11:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mh. It's not that long until Nov-09. Should we just try to finish the Sep-09 dump until then, and then continue with link counts we know to be correct? Just an idea.  ナイトスタリオン ✉ 12:36, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean, but I feel that since many of the "fun" dabs have already been cleared, we are not running at peak efficiency with lots of people helping out (if any of the makes sense). You never know, maybe we can get almost done before someone runs the dump script.--Commander Keane 14:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New database dump 

message: On 23 Oct, Baden Germany was moved to Baden, so that Baden is no longer a dab page.  (And no one here noticed?)  So it's time to pick a new collaboration.  Suggestions? --Russ Blau (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next collaboration 

message: This one is dubious. It could be argued that the correct action is to simply delete the  from the article.
I wonder if that is possible with other disambiguation pages, for example: South Pacific where relinking some links to Oceania is kind of akward. The great majority of articles that link to South Pacific are not really wanting to link to Oceania as it complicates the matter. --Mexaguil 05:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious disambiguation pages

message: I saw someone running a bot this morning that was changing links from the Native American redirect page to the Native Americans disambig page. Maybe I'm missing something, but how does this help? The edits were being made by User:68.230.177.98, but I thought maybe it was a registered user running the bot. Thanks for your input in explaining this to me. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:01, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks Russ. I figured it was something along those lines. Thank you very much for your contributions to the project. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 19:32, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American bot 

message: I realize we don't use bots all the time for this project because these links require a human's touch. However, for the Lunar disambiguation, many (100s) of the pages are craters of the moon. I don't know much about the programming of these bots, but could we have a bot that changes lunar to lunar for pages that have (crater) in the title? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 00:49, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: All of the remaining pages in the lunar list either contain (crater) or (lunar crater). I have eliminated all the rest, except the pages associated with this project, one user page, and Pigface, which doesn't seem to fit any of our disambig possibilities. Note: There are 1000+ craters on Wikipedia...who knew? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 01:54, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I delinked the Pigface instance. Whoever wants to create Lunar (musician) can link to that instead. Bo Lindbergh 03:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic idea EWS23! A bot using m:Solve disambiguation.py can do this job automatically and clearing out non-crater links really helps. User:Commander Keane bot will clear out a few now. --Commander Keane 05:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I have found this occurence before, but instead of using a bot I got the dab changed to a redirect. Probably what should be done with lunar. If you need a bot, then you might need a redirect instead.--Commander Keane 06:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Unforunately I am going to have to venture away from my computer and cannot leave the bot unattended so I won't be able to finish off Lunar today. If User:RussBlau pops up later he will probably get his bot to finish the job.--Commander Keane 06:32, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How'd you know?  :-)  This turned out to be a simple task; I simply set a bot to scour all articles in :Category:Craters on the Moon and change all instances of lunar in those articles to lunar.  As you said, Commander, most disambiguations aren't so easily resolved.  --Russ Blau (talk) 15:47, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, I just ran solve_disambiguation.py in the main namespace, always replacing lunar with lunar. Of course, I could only do this thanks to EWS23 clearing out non crater entries first. I'll give your method a go next time (it just uses standard pywikipedia functions, yes?).--Commander Keane 16:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lunar Bot? 

message: Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/Guide has been created. I thought it might need some publicity.--Commander Keane 10:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Guide

message: Hi!  I have been working on dabbing Network and run into about 200 articles that I am not sure (read as:  not confident) in changing.  Some of the links appear to "need" a dictionary entry and the current disambig page does a poor job of that.  Any thoughts are appreciated!  >: Roby Wayne Talk 07:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with [[Network]] dab 

message: I'd suggest that whoever tackles that one be very careful.  Jkelly 05:08, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If I find time, which I hope I will, I'll do it next week. I think I know the topic well enough, and I'm neither Greek nor (FYRO)Macedonian, so POV should not be a problem. I hope. Just try to establish a safe perimeter around me while I edit, to keep the POV crusaders away. ;)  ナイトスタリオン ✉ 11:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been working on this quietly for a couple of weeks and so far have avoided being caught in the crossfire.  To get an idea of its intensity, look at the history page for Macedonia.  By contrast, no one has reverted or protested my disambiguation of the links to Macedon, Macedonia (Greece), Macedonia (region), Macedonia (Roman province), the Republic of Macedonia, etc.  I'd be glad to share the work and risk with anyone interested! -- Flauto Dolce 18:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Macedonia

message: This isn't directly related to this project, but it's highly related to disambiguation, so I figured I'd post it here to get comments and help from experts/admins. I've posted a message on Talk:Staten Island about the necessity of Staten Island (disambiguation). Does anyone else feel that this page should be deleted? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Update to two things: First off, I fixed my signature by following the instructions at Wikipedia:How to fix your signature. Secondly, there seems to be no objection to the Staten Island changes. I could easily make the suggested changes to the Staten Island page, but I can't delete Staten Island (disambiguation) by myself. I don't even know the correct process for this...does it need a VfD, or can we just take care of it? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 08:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Staten Island

message: As with "lunar" above, all of the few-hundred articles titled "Foo (crater)" (or occasionally "Foo (lunar crater)" refer to named impact craters on the moon. Can a bot pick out these titles and change crater to crater? BD2412 T 14:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crater bot? 

message: I don't think it was a good choice to change pepper to not be a disambiguation page. Black pepper and capsicums (chile peppers and bell peppers) are very different things; it's always an improvement to disambig those links.  I'm currently disambiguating them anyway, but I thought I would solicit opinions on whether pepper should be restored as a disambiguation page. —Bunchofgrapes  (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion will continue at Talk:Pepper.--Commander Keane 06:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pepper 

message: Someone has seen fit to create a giant disambig link farm at Dictionary of languages - not sure I'd say this is even Wikipedic, as it's likely too big and too full of false positives to be useful. BD2412 T 04:03, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mmm, indeed they have. We had a bit of a discussion about this at maintenence.--Commander Keane 16:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone, per AfD. Cheers! BD2412 T 20:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dictionary of languages]] 

message: I took off Drug as the current collab. We discussed the difficulty of this one earlier (above), and I'd think it would be best if only "easy" dabs are set as the collaboration. I'll put on Classical music soon if there are no objections.--Commander Keane 16:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I've looked over Drug and it does seem to be very difficult, I actually proposed a merge be done of Hard and soft drugs and Recreational drug use to further simplify that dab page Thaagenson 16:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also agree.  I leaped before looking.  Thanks for catching me. Tedernst 16:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

text: The problem with Liberal, that I found when I tried it a while back, was the difference between between Liberalism and American liberalism (having antoher look at the articles, I still don't know if you are using "American liberalism" over there or what). I was hoping a USAian would take care of it. I also imainge there will be a requirement to link to Wiktionary a fair bit (or de-link), and I'm not sure that this is a common practice  - the instructions on the project page don't explain how to deal with a link that doesn't have a target on the dab.--Commander Keane 01:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we will have to use soft-redirect as the target for links on wiktionary. --Gurubrahma 06:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A soft-redirect isn't needed in this case (there is a dab in place). You could just use (in aritcles) Liberal, which looks like Liberal.--Commander Keane 10:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Current collaboration

message: Before we begin the next round, can we generate a list of disambig links in templates? If we can find and fix those, then have a bot just touch all of the pages with disambig links, we can head off transclusions. BD2412 T 19:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My list tells you how many templates link to the dabs the we are working on. Are are you asking for a specifc list of templates that link to any dab (or just dabs the dabs that we work on)? Maybe "templates.txt" from User:Bo Lindbergh/dabalyze is what you want.--Commander Keane 20:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter - a list of the actual templates that I can click on and fix, and ideally for all disambigs, as I believe we will eventually work on all of them! BD2412 T 20:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

text: *PS - I've yet to learn how to run a script - guess that's my next learning curve! BD2412 T 20:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good suggestion, especially finishing things with a bot. I dab'd a couple of AM radio stations templates yesterday, but haven't touched all of the transcluding pages yet (there should be a 'touch' button). Kusma (talk) 20:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Frankly, I think the developers should have a program that regularly crawls through and touches all Wikipedia pages. BD2412 T 20:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kusma and BD2412, just checking, when you say "touch" it sounds like you know that RussBot or Commander Keane bot (and probably others) can go through and touch each of the pages that have a template on them (touching clears them from "Whatlinkshere" if the template no longer links to the dab). Just ask.--Commander Keane 20:45, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was waxing poetic about having a bot go through and touch all 1.5 million pages in Wikipedia, just to shake out any and all bad transclusions from any source (disambig or no). I don't know whether the typical bot can do that - but just for disambig purposes, indeed any bot will do. :-) BD2412 T 20:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm downloading the latest dump right now. What's a good place to store the template report, Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates? Bo Lindbergh 04:51, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would do perfectly. BD2412 T 04:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Go wild. Bo Lindbergh 16:00, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Over 1100 links, but most seem pretty straightforward - I propose we make this list the next collaboration. BD2412 T 16:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we list the bot touching requests in a central place, say Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates? Seems more reasonable to me than spamming Commander Keane's talk page every time I finish a template that is transcluded more than a couple of times. Kusma (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea Kusma. I was originally thinking that aynone could just pop a request on this talk, but since it can get quite busy sometimes a seperate page may be advantageous. I've made Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/Bot requests, I'm sure a couple of bot operators will watchlist it.
I've noticed that Portal subpages are also typically transcluded - can we get a similar list of Portal links? (should be much shorter, I'm guessing 50 or so) bd2412 T 23:13, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: 338 links from 240 portal pages in the 2005-11-13 dump. So, Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from portals right now, or only after we're done with the templates? Bo Lindbergh 05:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Templates are virtually done (most of the rest are problem children). bd2412 T 05:06, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Wait - hold that thought - some templates transclude into portals, so touching all the links before generating the list of links to portals will probably result in a shorter list of links to portals. bd2412 T 12:07, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like a clarification is needed here: Special:Whatlinkshere follows transclusions, dabalyze ignores them. Bo Lindbergh 23:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me get my head around this one, that means that since many Portals use transclusion, the above count of "338 links from 240 portal pages" is a gross underestimate? Or is it correct, since the templates are in Portal namespace anyway. You are just saying that unlike "Whatlinkshere", your script only counts the link once, and hence is superior?--Commander Keane 00:09, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 240 pages that need actual editing to fix links. There may be other pages that transclude one or more of those 240; whether it's desirable to touch all those to stop Whatlinkshere from reporting false positives is discussed elsewhere. Bo Lindbergh 00:31, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Also, Bo, could you answer our burning question at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation pages with links/from templates on touching disambig links and server load and such? bd2412 T 00:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I created Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links/from portals so you can see the shape of things for yourselves. Bo Lindbergh 01:00, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for the next round. 

message: I am fixing the disambiguation pages about manga, anime and video consoles. For now, I don't have the self discipline nor the time to pick one of the lists suggested here. However, I would like using the disambiguation link repair (You can help!) tag when fixing those errors, if only to spread the word about this project.
I just don't want anyone to say "This dude has never fixed a disamb. page found here, yet acts as if he had!" ;-) -- ReyBrujo 19:40, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The disambiguation link repair (You can help!) edit summary can used for any disambiguation link repair, like the ones you've been doing. Thanks for using it! The project can always do with more volunteers.--Commander Keane 19:47, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less important disambiguation pages 

message: *Could someone take a look at :Template:Political Affiliations: Argentina, it links to the dab Concordance, and I don't know how to deal with it. If you are wodnering it's a part of the new collaboration.--Commander Keane 23:23, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help on a link repair 

message: (Discussion moved from the project page to here. Bo Lindbergh 03:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material 

message: At the moment the progress is manually calculated by summing up the number of fixed links. To aid this I use html comments like
* "" 
in the "Done" section. I was hoping that others would use this too, but since no one else uses the html comment (as far as I can tell) I end up doing it. I find that a bit of a waste of time, since I have a script that I can run anytime that tells me the exact progress.
I'm asking if (for the next dump) I can use my script to update the progress daily, rather than doing to manual summation. This has the advantage of a more accurate progress, but the disadvantage that only I can run the script. What do you  think?--Commander Keane 22:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the recent spate (in a good way) of updates to the progress, it looks like keeping the old way is just fine.--Commander Keane 16:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progress count 

message: At the Project there is disucssion about a new template that will go on the talk of dab pages to aid link repair. Your ideas are requested.--Commander Keane 11:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  DPL template 

message: I've fixed the links for all articles except List of songs whose title includes geographical names (since I wouldn't know what a Dutch song is referring to) and List of state leaders in 1747 and the like, so a bot could change all of the latter to Groningen (province).
:Being done now. --Russ Blau (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Groningen]] bot