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message: Hello everyone!I recently tried to get involved in the Improvement Drive for the "Roma people" article by suggesting to extend the number of articles related to the Roma subject and eventually creating a new one regarding Romania's Roma Minority(Talk:Roma_people.Apart from the fact that the subject is highly controversial and I believe some of you have already taken part in the hot debates in the past I want to call for your advice and attention on a subject that is obviously very difficult to treat in the limits of what Wikipedia actually stands for.As Romanians we all know the temptation of going very subjective on the matter.So what do you think?Can it be done?--Radufan 20:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm all for it. There is also a Test Wikipedia for the Romany language, and I think it's good to have as much coverage as possible on Roma issues. Romanians should be leading the way in this.  Ronline ✉ 07:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roma Minority in Romania 

message: Stray dogs are a problem in many cities of Romania, including Bucharest. They exist, are a real problem, and we should mention them somewhere.
Every day people are getting bitten, and in some cases the victims die or are disfigured.
The quality of life of the people living in these cities is highly impaired, by both the psichological pressure, and by the different other inconveniences (such as poo).
The origin of these dogs can be traced back to the demolition programs of Ceausescu, which left many dogs on the streets. However, placing the guilt on the communist programs only is a mistake. Part of the population itself bears a part of guilt for feeding these dogs (due to charitable feelings). The intervention of animal protection groups having no contact with Romanian realities is another (e.g. Brigitte Bardot). Finally, local authorities did not conceive and implement good-enough sanitation policies, as they were continually harassed by the foreign-paid animal rights groups.
Dpotop 16:17, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should mention them in the article about Bucharest. It's rather funny that the article doesn't mention any of the problems that exist in the city; not the dogs and not the orphans and beggars. Write about the city as it really is. Right, Ron? --Candide, or Optimism 19:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure Bucharest is the place to put it. It's not just Bucharest, but several cities.Dpotop 20:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anittas, you're right that the dogs aren't mentioned, and probably should be. But just read the Crime section for a bit and you'll see that all of the other urban problems are mentioned quite a lot - beggars, homeless people, street children, etc. However, everything must be put into context. Street children are not more of a problem here than in other major cities in terms of numbers (though the conditions may be worse). Dogs may be a bigger problem. However, the article needs to deal with this in a balanced way: it needs to state how many dogs there are and the overall situation, but also what the City Hall has done to combat the problem, particularly the recent action of euthanising the dogs and introducing strong fines for people who release them again, etc.  Ronline ✉ 07:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  It was filmed by a CCTV camera of a nearby bank, so no it was not a doberman. bogdan 16:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  Poate şi coreenii ar fi interesaţi, pentru hrană. --Vlad 18:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the Bucharest article already mentions community dogs enough. Additionally, the problem is currently being solved right now. However, if you feel that the article should talk more about this issue, then feel free to expand on it, but remember NPOV language and verifiability. I don't see why people are making such a big fuss of this. Talk about "defending Romania's interest". Riiiight. Take back what I said. The article doesn't mention community dogs at all. It should, though. But I don't know in what section. Any thoughts?  Ronline ✉ 07:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, how about right under the section about culture? --Candide, or Optimism 07:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear Anittas, if you didn't notice, you're doing now the job of Romania-bashers. And take this remark as coming from one who prouds himself of being Moldovan (from Romania, of course). I did not edit any article yet because I am trying to figure where to put the info in order to have the least impact. The info must appear somewhere, because it is relevant to Romanians (maybe on ro.wiki), but I see no need to say "Romania stinks" in flashy letters. Let's just hope that the current media coverage will finally get the government and local administration do what they should have done years ago.Dpotop 09:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stray dogs 

message: When are you going to start a RfC against Denmark? They refuse to apologize! --Candide, or Optimism 05:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anittas, I haven't a clue what you are talking about. - Jmabel | Talk 06:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But Ron does. In fact, he and Orioane are enriching their user profile by adding boxes with "Buy Danish" messages. LOL! --Candide, or Optimism 14:10, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, of course we are. It is very worrying what's happening in regards to Denmark and the cartoons controversy. Jeg elsker dig, Danmark!  Ronline ✉ 11:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  I too have added that message to my user page, as a clear way to display my personal POV about this matter. At least Ronline, it shows again how far a country like Romania has come in terms of acceptance of free speech, remember "The Evangelists" play you made an article about? Though many religious Romanians were disgusted by it, they didn't resort to violence or death threats, showing that most Romanians accept in essence that freedom of expression includes having to accept expressions one might dislike. This vital acceptance has come quite quickly, all things considered. Anclation 13:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ron and Jmabel 

message: Cine poate sa spuna -- fara sa caute pe Internet sau in Wikipedia -- ce inseamna "circul foamei"? Dmaftei 15:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pietele lui Ceausescu. Sau ce "inseamna" etimologic? In ultimul caz, cred ca sursa e doar ironia observatorului. Dahn 15:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Daca nu esti din Bucuresti, nu e. Sunt alea care sunt facute Mall-uri acum. Arata toate la fel. Dahn 16:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me, quite obviously, that the expression is a reference to the domes those structures had, as the article states. Alexander 007 16:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Avand in vedere ca majoritatea erau neterminate la Revolutie, cred ca sunt relativ noi. Urma sa fie folosite ca locuri de distribuire a alimentelor, mai degraba decat vanzare (deci, in ultima faqza a regimului). Banuiesc ca le spuneau "circuri" pentru ca semanau cu cladirea Circului de langa Stefan cel Mare. Dahn 16:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Se pare că s-a început construcţia mai târziu, prin '87-88. bogdan 18:10, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Da, numele aparuse abia prin '89, si se referea la aprozarele acelea imense si in care nu gaseai nimic. M-am intrebat de multe ori: oare Ceausescu era (1) nebun (2) complet neinformat (3) un dictator sadic, sau (4) asemenea jucatorilor acelora ce nu se pot opri, si care tot timpul isi spun "las' ca maine o sa fac asta". Nu de alta, dar daca magazinele alea ar fi fost pline, alta ar fi fost situatia. :):) Dpotop 18:14, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  All of the above :-) Dmaftei 20:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strictly for Romanians 

message: Does anyone have info on street gangs in Romania? Alexander 007 21:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the police, in Bucharest, in 2004, there were 146 gangs ("găşti de cartier") (evz, 2004) (Adevărul, 2001) (Adevărul, 2005) My quarter appears to be well represented by its gangs, although Ferentari, Rahova, Giuleşti, Ghencea have probably much better ganging records. :-) bogdan 23:13, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 146? Cool. I'm gonna do a C-Walk now :-) I wonder if they roll in '64 lowrider Impalas. Alexander 007 23:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strictly for my [[C-Walk|Gangstas]]