Talk:M777 howitzer

message: The servicemen in that last picture look to me to be wearing ACUs, an Army only uniform. Note the blocky color pattern, meaning they can't be Desert Combat Uniforms, and the lack of dark coloring means they cant be MARPAT uniforms. Thanks for the imput. (USMA2010 16:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: USMC Only?

message: The sidebox gives the crew as 5 yet the article states "there is also a reduction in the gun crew size required; from 9 to 7."  Which is correct?  GlobalSecurity states 5 several times. --Schwern 22:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crew Clarification 

message: Is there any need for towed artillery in modern times? Many armies of the world decided to use self-propelled only, because you have to have a large truck for every towed howitzer anyhow to be able to relocate if something bad happens. So why not integrate the mobility chassis with the barrel and use SP howitzers?
I would appreciate if this article explained the american and canadian reasons for having this new tower howitzer. In fact I just heard the new light-weight american 155mm self-propelled project was ceased! Why? 91.83.13.153 (talk) 17:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: both programs were cancelled due to cost, and in the case of crusader, its heavy weight would mean by the time it could reach the warzone, the fighting would be over. 86.33.15.31 (talk) 07:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

text: to summarise : SPGs use their mobility ( they can rapidly redeploy to avoid return fire ) and armour to survive in a conventional war. BUT they are very slow to ship overseas and are very expensive and need more supplies. towed weapons are much easier to deploy and much cheaper to buy. note you can protect them by digging in, but this takes time. if, in an assymetric war, you do not expect heavy enemy artillary fire towed weapons make sense. many countries still use a mix of towed and spg artillary so they can fight both types of war. 86.33.15.31 (talk) 07:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy equipment 

message: The usual weight given for a gun is the in action weight, which includes essential stores, but no ammo.  It's inconceivable that essential stores would amount to the better part of a ton.  A lighter weight, the basic gun, is sometomes used because that is the weight being towed, and maximum 'trailer' weights for a giver vehicle are sometimes governed by national laws.
Technically M777 doesn't have a carriage, it has a mounting (ie the wheels are not on the ground when firing), I don't know if the US uses this nomenclature.
The biggest defect with this gun is that it does not comply with the 1963 MoU that the US signed for 39 calibre 155, the non-compliance is this guns biggest drawback, the MoU requires at least 3 rds in 15 secs and 6 rpm intense rate for at least 3 minutes.  The MoU also specified the M549 RAP as the standard shape, it took the US several decades to adopt an HE shell of this type. Nfe (talk) 06:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Points

message: "The M777 may be combined with the M982 Excalibur GPS-guided munition, which allows accurate fire at a range of up to 40 km (25 mi). This almost doubles the area covered by a single battery to about 1,250 km2 (480 sq mi)."  A radius of 25 miles produces a 1,963 square mile coverage area, assuming pi X r-squared is still the formula for the area of a circle. Thus, I am puzzled by the statement in quotes above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.118.254.194 (talk) 17:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverage Area Contradiction 

message: At present, the article stands to attention, fixes its gaze at a point above the reader's head and barks a series of military three-letter acronyms and alphabet soup. I'll try and make it more encyclopaedic. HLGallon (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about a piece of military howtizer system, thus the amount of acronyms and military terms will directly coincide with the article.  It is impossible not to, the article currently has the proper abbreviations as well as the spelled out term.  There is no jargon or slang used in the article. -Signaleer (talk) 04:08, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Displace is standard army jargon and is not an invented term for this article. Not saying all use of jargon is OK or that it shouldn't be explained but....its not a made-up term here. Regards, DMorpheus2 (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

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message: "US Marine gunners test fire a M777 howitzer." -> "US Marine gunners test fire an M777 howitzer."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.222.34.97 (talk) 03:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Trivial edits to grammar and spelling do not require talk page discussion. Next time, you can just change it yourself. TaintedMustard (talk) 08:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong. 

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message: Kirby's slides from 4/19 press conference specify the weight and metallurgical composition of the howitzers being given to Ukraine. The dimensions exclude all other artillery other than the M777 howitzer as the possible piece of artillery being given to Ukraine. Is this conclusive enough to add the Ukraine conflict/Ukraine Army as usage of this weapon?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.224.47.62 (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Ukraine

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thread_title: Old map

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206.176.156.214 (talk) 12:16, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that an operator? That's just a captured unit, which isn't the same as an operator. Especially, if there no supply of ammo -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 05:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  users list should be updated to include Russia  

message: Change the map. 185.113.36.98 (talk) 16:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crimea belongs to Ukraine. 

message: I wiped the section for a few reasons - firstly, most of it is simply not relevant and is definitely too much detail. I don't think this article should be drilling down into the details of specific pieces of equipment and their fates unless they are particularly noteworthy pieces of equipment. Secondly, all of it is just "Russia claims" and "Ukraine claims" nonsense. The combat performance of the weapon will become clear in time and nobody is coming to this article for a minute-by-minute account of that process. Even if they were, the Russian Ministry of Defence is certainly not a credible source and the Ukrainian one only arguably so. Thirdly, it was rife with basic grammar mistakes and I didn't think the substance was worth fixing them. There were some others as well but I forgot. I probably won't come back here so just revert it if you want but I think the version I trimmed it down to is concise and, although it contains less information, it certainly contains all of the known, credible, relevant information that was present in the version I wiped with none of the crap.
The section could be expanded with facts from reporting based on interviews with the soldiers who use the weapons to provide an immediate impression of how well or not they are performing if we decide such a thing is necessary and if such reporting exists, but the carefully manufactured statements of governments at war have very little place here I think. It would seem to me that "actual combat performance" and "how the government says it performs" are, in this instance, maybe not the same. 220.253.93.142 (talk) 01:06, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I understand your position 220.253.93.142. Seems the page was protected and some changes were made after the protection was made. However without entering in too much details, the is a clear complaint made the Ukrainian military regarding the performance of this gun, that must be considered since it was the Ukrainian Army that requested this type of weapon..Mr.User200 (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat history - War in Ukraine 

message: I'm over my head on what to edit here, but the section that starts with "According to Shashank Joshi" needs references.  Further, if you click on reference 97, "The fatal weaknesses of the American M777 howitzer in Ukraine battlefield" it is just a picture and no article.  This paragraph really does need references.  One I found is: "https://www.24talker.com/news/politics/ukraine-update-switching-to-nato-weapons-isnt-as-simple-as-people-think-it-is/".  Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.0.240.177 (talk) 05:27, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 Russian Invasion of Ukraine 

message: This is important for artillery pieces as the performance parameters change drastically if it is a 39cal or a 52cal. 121.7.21.249 (talk) 02:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  No reference to the caliber/calibre of the weapon 

message: New infos Jan. 4th 2024 details see:  + . 80.187.112.193 (talk) 15:08, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  BAE has new order for M777 production