Talk:"Weird Al" Yankovic/Archive 4

message: this section needs to be cleaned up bcause weird al did write the song  "the saga begins"-aaronpark
:And it says he did. Reread the section. It compares Yoda and The Saga Begins (which he wrote) to songs he did not write. --Michael Greiner 00:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about 'Living La Vida Yoda'? That would make at least three songs about Star Wars. Is it also a fake? -sergius_maximus 200.48.20.67 16:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it is not his - Skysmith 19:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  'Living La Vida Yoda' is not a Weird Al song.  There is a reference in the Misattribution and imitators section.  Go there to see what songs aren't his. Prometheus-X303- 08:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misapropriations 

message: I just read the article and it is very good from a professional milestone perspective but it lacks any information about Al as a person. For example there is nothing about his parents' background, what do they do for a living, how did they end up in CA, what's the ethnic/culture makeup of his family and name. Nothing about Al's personal life: is he married, kids, where does he live, etc.. I'm surprised this made it to feature with such major biographical gaps. -- Stbalbach 05:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yankovic married Suzanne Krajewski on 10 February 2001. Their daughter, Nina, was born 11 February 2003. They also have a pet poodle, Bela (pictured atop Yankovic's head on the cover of his album, Poodle Hat), and a pet cockatiel named Bo.
Uh huh, nothing about his marital status or offspring.  If you wanted to know about his parents, wouldn't that be more suited in their own biography? ~ Gromreaper 08:07, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry I missed that part about his wifes name and pets name - if you were to separate his career from his personal life you'd still have next to nothing about him as a person. Normally in biographies you provide some background about the person which includes information about the parents and family that is meaningful, just read any professionally written encyclopedia biography to see what I mean. Basically all we know are his parents and wifes and pets names. Like I said, lacks depth and context, not a great article as-is. If you want to see some decent biographies of artists look at Robert Louis Stevenson or Laurens van der Post. They don't have all the fluff this article does, but they have depth and tell us something about the person, plus they provide some balanced criticism - this article talks about the Amish parody, but we only get a few quotes from other artists and nothing from academics, scholars or real critics. -- Stbalbach 14:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You ask for more personal info, but has such info even been made public?  You can only write an article with what you are given.  Not every celebrity divulges info on their background or what their parents were like.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 10:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah that's true, but I find it hard to believe the only thing known about him personally is his wifes name, his parents name, his kids name, his pets name, what town he was born and how his parents died a terrible death. That's it? No one has ever written a human interest story or biography of Weird Al before? -- Stbalbach 21:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Weird Al autobiography I used to reference the article was writtten in 1994, before his wife and kids, and before his parents died (plus, Suzanne isn't a celebrity and the Google search for her maiden name shows some pretty inconclusive results).  It does mention some things about his parents' lives prior to Al, but I'm awful at paraphrasing (especially after being awake only 30 minutes).  The Compleat Al and Authorised Al movie/book can't be relied upon as they're satirical, and the Behind the Music special puts heavy focus on his career.  Anyway, I'm gonna try using the Permanent Record booklet to paraphrase when I get some free time later on this week, hopefully.  Maybe even today.  Hopefully it sounds a bit better now? Thanks for your comments, Stbalbach.  ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 01:39, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great thanks Gromreaper. Now I've got a little better idea about his background and why he is the way he is (it would be interesting if he was the son of a wealthy business man who hated "rock music" for example). -- Stbalbach 14:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lacks depth 

message: Okay, it's time we clear up this once and for all.
*"Canadian Idiot", appears to be listed as a single because it got enough purchases from digital stores like iTunes Music Store to get a spot on the singles chart with absolutely no promotion.  (See "Snow ((Hey Oh))" for another example of this)
*"Do I Creep You Out" IS the next single.  It's set for release on November 17: see the "JibJab" item on weirdal.com.
*Songs with music videos are generally considered to be singles.
*However, the animations on SOL (apart from "Don't Download This Song") don't count because they received no play and are only included as incentives to buy the physical album.
*"Don't Download This Song" counts as a single because it received mass exposure through the free downloading and the video being put up by Al on Youtube and MySpace.
*Poodle Hat did not have physical singles, but "Couch Potato" is considered to be the first single because it got radio play, and while a video was planned, it was canned.
*"Bob" shouldn't be up there, but since it has a video, many fans think it is a single, even though it got no airplay (hell, "A Complicated Song" would be more fitting to be listed than "Bob"...but I digress), and I'm leaving it because I can easily see an edit war happening.
Now let's hope this ends the freaking dispute once and for all. ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 02:01, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles for Poodle Hat and Straight Outta Lynwood 

message: "One of Yankovic's most controversial parodies was 1996's "Amish Paradise," based on "Gangsta's Paradise" by hip-hop artist Coolio. Reportedly, Coolio's label gave Yankovic the impression that Coolio had granted permission to record the parody, but Coolio maintains that he never did. While Coolio claimed he was upset, legal action never materialized, and Coolio accepted royalty payments for the song. After this controversy, Yankovic has always made sure to speak directly with the artist of every song he parodied. At the XM Satellite Radio booth at the 2006 Consumer Electronics Show Yankovic and Coolio made peace. On his website, Yankovic wrote of this event, "I don’t remember what we said to each other exactly, but it was all very friendly. I doubt I’ll be invited to Coolio’s next birthday party, but at least I can stop wearing that bulletproof vest to the mall.""
I believe that the italicized portion ("directly with the artist") should not be italicized. It's unnecessary and just looks plain unprofessional. I'd change it myself were the page not locked. If someone who CAN edit this page could consider fixing that, that would be very nice. Thanks! Katsarephat 18:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Virtually no one can edit the page, (only the 1200 or so admins). Personally, I don't think the full protect is needed (Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, and the New York Yankees are all far more vandalized.) Anyways, getting back on topic, I agree with the edit. Michael Greiner 20:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually any user that has been here for more than 3 days can edit. Gdo01 20:50, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now the page is under a full protect (I've been here since March and can't edit.) Michael Greiner 20:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the last time I had been on this article was 2 hours ago and nothing was going on here then. I personally think the full protection was kind of an overreaction. It was only a couple of users, nothing like what San Francisco suffered earlier today. Gdo01 20:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I've made the edit, and unprotected the article. —tregoweth (talk) 22:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: On an interview on Sydney's Nova 969 (Nova 19'S 2007-03-07) Yankovic stated that he had talked with Coolio just last year about it and it was "water under the bridge" and that they were ok.Sirris2007 10:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing suggestion? 

message: Is that really important? If I didn't know what the purpose of the IPA symbols was for, I would more be wonder how to pronounce the o, than the vic.203.27.231.250 09:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not quite sure what you're asking there.  The most frequent mispronounciation (and misspelling) of "Yankovic" stems from the 'vic, which is often pronounced as "vich".  The IPA pronounciation is there to try and curb that mispronounciation.  The "rhymes with stick" helps the majority of people who can't read IPA.  The -o- in "Yankovic" is the same vowel sound as in "hope".  I dunno how well that answered your concern,  but let me know either way.  ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 11:12, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, because the 'o' is in an unstressed syllable, it's a slightly more relaxed sound.  The 'o' in hope is the only vowel sound, and therefore completely stressed.  The 'o' in "Yankovic" is sort of half-way between a long 'o' and a schwa sound... I think a better comparison might be "reconnect". - Ugliness Man 13:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, good point ye have.  I've only just finished my first year Linguistics course at uni, so I don't claim to know everything about the subject.  Do you know of any way to address the middle sound?  ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 01:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, sure. (I am a HUGE fan, so I've said his name CORRECTLY at least 27 times.) I'll givr you the full name. Try to say, "Wee-ird, Al, Yank-uh-vick". OK? StrongBad27 03:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhymes with stick

message: Just wondering if the link to serbian-americans category is correct.  See, the Weird Al Interview is about 19 mins into the Podcast.
--202.161.23.124 07:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for reminding me, I've been meaning to change that since the awesome Safran interview. ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont)!
Right, but shouldn't we still mention, as per some of these sources and the radio interview, that he's some type of South Slav on his father's side and Italian and English on his mother's? Biruitorul 02:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Just saying... a lot of the sources that pop up in that Google search aren't reliable - i.e. Wikipedia mirrors, IMDB, trivia sites, etc. Mad Jack 23:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but I still think that the repeated mention of his parents' ancestries one finds by searching (some of the sites do seem relatively reliable) makes it a pretty sure bet that he is in fact Yugoslav (probably Serb) and Italian-English. And it's a fact worth mentioning, assuming we can find a really solid reference. Biruitorul 01:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: omfg! OMFG! That's just incredible. Superior1 20:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see The Onion try to say an unkind word about this article now!  Fishal 02:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you can find a free-license image of Al, feel free to upload it.  When the article was being reviewed for FA status, a user offered to find a free one on Flickr, and the current one (with hat, outside of Angus & Robertson) was the only one that was free licensed.  ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 03:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured?

message: Does all these date wiki-links need to be there? Johannes H.-Larsen 15:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Year-only links are unnecessary, except for links to "year in music" articles that appear like this: 1985. Complete dates should be linked in order for the date preferences feature to work, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates. Accurizer 16:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Date linking

message: There is not much in the article about the nature and style of his songs, other than that they are parodies. For example, and something which I think can be used to determine if a parody song really is be Weird Al Yankovic, is that his parody songs are never about the original song or artist - they use the same music, but his lyrics are not about the subject matter addressed in the original song, nor are his lyrics making fun of the original artist (unlike a lot of parody songs out there). Can anyone find an example of where this is not the case? - Matthew238 23:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "(This Song's Just) Six Words Long", "It's Still Billy Joel to Me", "Achy Breaky Song", "Smells Like Nirvana". --Maxamegalon2000 23:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. But they still seem to be few and far between, at least when compared to other parody songs, which generally seem to always be about the artist and the song. - Matthew238 23:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Musical Analysis

message: this article has been vandalized...not it only says poo. lock?
:Fixed. Generally, the policy is not to protect the day's featured article, because newcomers to Wikipedia see it and it's a showpiece for "anyone can edit."  There is ongoing debate about whether that's a wise policy but it's generally accepted. Newyorkbrad 01:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poo 

message: So in the info box the members are listed with the date that they started to the present. However there is a section for former members. The fact that the current members are listed to the present and they are not in the former members section is redundant. It should just list the year that they joined the group. You know what I mean? Do I make any sense? Daniel J. Forman 02:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant 

message: An excellent (one of the best IMO) example of a FA on a modern popular entertainment topic. I especially liked the Album Information table. Different from anything I've seen (don't know how prevalent it is), but IMO a good use of the table feature. Anchoress 02:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree. I'm a big fan of Weird Al and seeing that it was today's FA I was eager to make some edits to it, but there's not very much at all that needs fixing, and I've learned so much and I'm only halfway done! Congratulations to all of those involved in writing this excellent article. Mike (Talk) 03:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Weird Al is awesome, and it is so great that he is on today's feautured article. Maybe more people will listen to his works and learn more about him. Thanks to everyone who helped to promote this article to featured status. And I agree with both of you that this is a spectacular example of a featured article. I wish there was more for me to improve, but guess not. Guess that's a good thing.--Kyo cat¿Qué tal?♥meow! 04:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos on a great FA 

message: A bunch of stuff about Chanhassen High School has been inserted!
Bigmac31 15:20, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Our RC patrollers have removed it. :D I'm glad that this page has been featured... :) Half-Blood Auror 18:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge vandalism 

message: Unless I dreamed it.  That was quick removal!
Bigmac31 15:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ok, it's gone 

message: Just an opinion - it might read better if there were some sort of subheadings or similar to break up the biography section into three or four subsections, as it currently is one long mass which looks fairly intimidating in this format. -- 86.128.50.181 18:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 02:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography section 

message: I would like to see a better before-and-after facial hair photo comparison.  Also, has anyone else noticed he now looks a LOT like Disney's Tarzan?  The resemblence is uncanny! -- BlueNight (not logged in) 12:45pm MST Dec 4, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.201.141.146 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BlueNight, I was just thinking the same thing!!!! It's AMAZING, Isn't it? Almost like they PLANNED it..... Anyone else agree? StrongBad27 03:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al's new look 

message: It says that "Pretty Fly for a Rabbi" was for Australia only. However this is not true. I purchased this album on cassette and that song was included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jringer (talk • contribs) 23:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The song was on the album everywhere, but was only released as a single (There is a difference, look above and Talk: Straight Outta Lynwood) in Australia. Michael Greiner 23:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running With Scissors 

message: Just wondering, for the misattribution section, would it be helpful to include a screenshot of a P2P sharing site showing what a search for "Weird Al" returns?  One I uploaded today (:Image:WeirdAlLimeWire.png) for possible use shows a large number of Not-Al songs, as well as enough "Yankovich" results to get rid of that nasty  that has been placed in the section.  Thoughts?  Comments?  Marriage proposals?  ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 01:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aaw heck, I just did it anyway. ~~ Gromreaper(Talk)/(Cont) 07:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't have a problem with it.  I think it serves a good source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.87.119.103 (talk) 06:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misattribution and imitators 

message: he uses the line "i edit wikipedia" in this song, to prove how nerdy he is. this should deffinitely have a mention in the article. Lygophile has spoken 01:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already mentioned in the articles for Straight Outta Lynwood and White & Nerdy, that's sufficient.  This article is already pretty damn long, adding more bits of trivia that are repeated elsewhere is not a priority right now. - Ugliness Man 23:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  white and nerdy 

message: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/37314   -Go there for many ways and new info to include in this article. (sorry for posting at the top. move this down if you want, but dont delete it. Randomfrenchie 00:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That article is over two years old.  The issues raised were fixed within a month. --Maxamegalon2000 01:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Onion 

message: I was in the midst of reading the bit about Alfred's parents' unfortunate demise in their home in California when something caught my attention: Weird Al was nowhere near Mankato, Minnesota that day.  I mean, he was in a relative term... being that he was actually at the Fox Cities Performing Arts Center in Appleton, Wisconsin which is right next door to Minnesota so I could assume that one could probably mistake one state for another.  It's okay, I've done it.  Just look at Colorado and Wyoming.  In any case, Al was in Appleton, Wisconsin the night his parents died.  I would know, I was at the concert.  My source includes a direct setlist (on the internet, of course, but with positive credentials) from the Fox Cities PAC.  The day after the concert I went to on April 9, 2004, I found out (online again, of course) that both his parents had died.  I was shocked and astonished that he went on to do the show without a single visible hitch.
Anyway, my point is, Alfred Yankovic performed in Appleton, Wisconsin at the Fox Cities Performing Arts Center the night his parents died and I would like that bit in the wikipedia to be changed, please.
Dilematree 18:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Al's web site confirms the Appleton show on the ninth: CatraDhtem 04:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I was confused about the deaths of his parents. Did his parents die the night of the 8th/9th or the night of the 9th/10th? If it was the 8th/9th, Appleton would be correct; but if it was the 9th/10th, Mankato would be correct because he wouldn't have been told until the next morning. Michael Greiner 20:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I still can't tell if he knew of the deaths before the concert in Appleton. USA Today/Associated Press says he was not available for contact in Mankato implying that that was the first show after the deaths. If he knew before Appleton, they should have asked him there.   Michael Greiner 21:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Good enough for me.  I've gone ahead and changed it.  Thanks, Dilematree, for your excellent research. --Maxamegalon2000 14:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al's Parents' deaths 

message: Hi everyone, i just heard a song named "Hitler" (it is said that rammstein made the song, but im not sure about that). 
I dunno if u heard it before but it´s like the Rammstein song "Sonne".
I don´t know who is the one that made the song but, i just made a small analyze, and im thinking it was Weird Al Yankovic, i´d like to knowif this is true or not, cuz the song is nice, and it rocks!!!
Anyone knows who made that song???
:This isn't a forum. Anyway if it isn't on this list: List of songs by "Weird Al" Yankovic, then its not Yankovic. Also check out The Not Al List. They have a list of songs that people think is Yankovic but isn't his song. Gdo01 22:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hitler song

message: "Unlike other parody artists such as Tom Lehrer..." (emphasis mine)
It seems inaccurate to use Tom Lehrer as an example of a "parody artist".  I think he is much more correctly labeled a "satirist", although a few of his songs contains elements of parody.
128.152.20.33 07:02, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Lehrer 

message: In the article, "vandals" is wikilinked to Wikipedia:Vandalism. It shouldn't be, per Wikipedia:Avoid self-references. There doesn't seem to be a main space article on wiki vandalism in general. We do have website defacement, but that doesn't quite apply. 194.151.6.70 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Vandals"