Talk:Erich Fromm

message: I heard somewhere that Fromm was the originator of the idea of unconditional love.  Does anyone know if that is true? 
:Yes, it is true.  I totally stole the idea from him.  -Jesus
:: Many of Fromm's important theories relating to love were explored in The Art of Loving. It might be a good idea to add more about this topic. Arrowtothenhi (talk) 06:01, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unconditional love 

message: It can be admitted that Fromm is generally considered to be a philosopher. Still, how can he be properly called a philosopher when his writing displays such obvious logical mistakes? Rather than philosopher, Fromm is a typical bombastic intellectual lacking any sense of responsibility for what he is writing. How good psychologist he is I cannot judge; a man who makes such blatant mistakes does not deserve to be called a scientist either. Fromm's ideological setting can easily be traced to that of Hegel and Marx. Karl Popper's arguments against the two made in his Open Society and its Enemies easily apply to Fromm as well. Admittedly, Fromm tries to answer questions belonging to the domain of philosophy. Nevertheless, is anyone giving his opinions on philosophical questions a philosopher? Similarly, writer telling us that 2 + 2 = 5.78 is answering a mathematical question, which does not suffice to call him a mathematician.
<< It can be admitted that Fromm is generally considered to be a philosopher.>>
And as Wikipedians, it is our job to report that generally accepted fact. -- NetEsq 17:37, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Fromm really a philosopher? 

message: The following passage, strangely placed after the list of major works, seems to me garbled and poorly written. I cut it. Others may disagree, so here it is for inspection:
As mentioned above Fromm was the one, because of his interest in politics and philosophy, developed the idea that freedom poses a key psychology problem that affects personality. He said that there are 2 basic ways of dealing with freedom. The first being A)Embrace it, works with each other. And the second which was to B) Run away from it. 
Authoritariansm- those who support dicators
Destructiveness- thpse who act not by rules but by elimination of others
Antomation Confortmity- people stop being themselves and conform to peer/cultural pressure.
Fromm also believed in the 5 basic needs which were the following:
a) relatedness- people need to have relationships with others
b) transcendence- people must move beyond basic instincts and use creativity to develop a loving, interesting life
c) rootedness-feeling like they belong
d) sense of identity- see themselves as an unique person; prevents conformity
e)the need for a frame of orientation and object deviation
qp10qp 00:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I cut this bit

message: Short information you can find here http://www.daedalus-verlag.de/freie-assoziation/h1_02pr.htm.
Austerlitz 88.72.30.19 21:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fromm and the IPA

message: I think someone should add a critique of Marx, Fromm was as critical of Marx as he was of Freud ForrestLane42 03:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see it.  I've only read his work on Freud, which is why I stopped there. Clarknova 06:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Fromm criticized all the philosophers he spoke of; he didn't worship any of them. That said, he was far less critical of Marx, particularly in regards to philosophical and ideological concerns, than he was of Freud 24.125.146.49 02:38, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critique of Marx

message: I only put the tag on because of citations needed, everything seems up to par. ForrestLane42 15:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New tag

message: The article says he published the following books:
::# The Art of Being (1993)
::# The Art of Listening (1994)
But also that he died in 1980. Am I stupid (eg: I don't understand that the books could be published after his death by someone else) or it is a mistake?
No, they are from his writings that he chose not to publish - for instance The Art of Being was suppose to be part of his last book To Have or To Be? They were released by his estate and executor Rainer Funk ForrestLane42 04:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Writing books after death?

message: The following text was painful to read, systematically unreferenced, non-encyclopedic, and clearly in violation of WP:OR.  I have removed it from the article.
In terms of Karl Marx's societal dialectic, Fromm is saying in the above that if the "relations of production" (Fromm's "economic, social and political conditions") are ineluctably hostile to the development of the "productive forces"--man, principally, and, in Fromm, "individualized man"--the principal productive force (man), instead of changing the relations of production in a positive way (as Marx predicted), will achieve a "dynamic adaptation" (i.e., an active psychological adaptation); yielding "socially patterned defects" associated with a specific "social character," whereby the productive force (man) internalizes without cavil the imperatives of the relations of production.  Thus Fromm disavows Marx's assumption that the historical development of the productive forces must be lineally economic (always more productive capacity, etc.) and determinative (such that the relations of productions must do all the adjusting).  With reference to Marx's mentor (G.W.F. Hegel), Fromm's view is as if Hegel's Absolute Spirit were to get sick--mentally, of course--instead of relentlessly superseding the various inadequate "shapes of consciousness" (the philosophical progenitors of Marx's "relations of production") on the high historical road to absolute self-knowledge (liberation from all self-misconceptions, analogous to Marx's goal of human self-emancipation).  In this manner a Frommian Absolute Spirit would experience its truth as unbearable, hence something that must be "repressed"; the upshot being a neurotic World Spirit escaping from its erstwhile Enlightenment destiny.  In such a world, contrary to the master's (Hegel) formula, the historically real would not be rational; nor would the rational comprehension of such a world attain to reality.  The post-mortem does not vivify the corpse.
Fromm therefore implies that Marx's materialistic "transformational criticism" (via Feuerbach)—turning Hegel's idealism "right side up"—erred by leaving the agency that is inverted to materiality (Absolute Spirit) untouched in its exclusively progressive imperative.  Marx said that the worker had nothing to lose but his chains, and a world to win.  Fromm's psychological demurrer shows how and why the worker becomes attached to his chains, very much in the classic Buddhist sense of "attachment" (upadhi); and thereby has a human world to lose.
Phrenophobia 07:23, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed this 

message: Found a book he wrote on Zen and psychoanalysis on sale at Amazon, but couldn't find the date so was not able to post it up in the article. If anyone can find it, this might be a worthwhile and useful reference for future readers.
ebenheaven 03:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book on Zen & psychoanalysis 

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message: Tag removed was on lack of citations.
Id447 (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed the tag from 2007

message: Substituted at 14:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The article uses the linked and capitalized term "Humanist Credo" as if that were the title of a well-known work by Fromm, but then goes on to cite "On Being Human". This misleading text, in turn, has been taken up and cited in innumerable places on the Internet. For this reason I would at least lowercase the term, but it probably needs more than that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calrad (talk • contribs) 21:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Fromm's Humanism

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message: This article says that Fromm proposed eight basic human needs. In the table that follows, only seven needs
are listed. Rollo August (talk) 16:50, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Table of needs

message: The article states that contrary to Freud, Fromm's theory of character orientation consists of two ways an individual relates to the world.
Headline refers to 5 basic orientations, but only 4 nonproductive character orientations are mentioned. What is the fifth one? Or are there only 4?
Hskoppek (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  chapter: Five basic orientations 

message: Vbbgg 185.69.186.61 (talk) 12:34, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism