Talk:Portland, Oregon/Archive 3

message: "643.9 /mi² - 1,667.8/km²"'  Bearing in mind a kilometer is smaller than a mile (c. 5/8th), that's impossible.  The other way around, perhaps? 86.0.203.120 13:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the numbers, with the help of a calculator, using the population_total and area_land figures presented. --ScottMainwaring 16:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The population numbers were changed by annon. user at 18:11, July 28, 2006 and are not cited.  I think they should be changed back until the change can be verified.  Cacophony 18:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had already done that. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in the edit summary. Katr67 18:20, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now I'm confused. You're saying we should go with the uncited figure? Katr67 18:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 556,370 is the correct figure, and it's cited in footnote 1 (http://www.pdx.edu/media/p/r/prc_2005_Table5_County_Split.xls).  That spreadsheet shows this as the 2005 total pop of Portland, including its populations in Multnomah, Clackamas, and Washington counties.  Where does the 533,427 figure come from? --ScottMainwaring 19:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Population Density

message: There needs to be alot more visual imagery in this article.  I've been perusing many other city pages, and the sheer starkness of this page is somewhat shocking. (- Simulcra 20:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: The anon edit "portland is the largest consumer of Pabst Blue Ribbon", is probably true -- I recall seeing it in the paper.  However six months or a year from now it may no longer be true, and in any case someone is going to complain that it is not Verifiable, so it would be good if we could get a citation.  I'm not removing it, but maybe the anon can supply a citation and even put the whole thing into Portland's beer context.  (FYI - last weeks New York Times had a big article on Portland brewpubs with lots of useful statistics.) -- Gnetwerker 07:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: because of the tiered distribution system, the owners of PBR probably have very good statistics about this. Of course, it would be better to have more about the history of the craftbrew movement in the city and state rather than the fact that our hipsters are most succeptable to marketing... Philvarner 17:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: this would also need some qualifying words, like "largest consumer per capita in a city over size x". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Philvarner (talk • contribs) 17:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beer

message: Split Education?  The article is getting big again.  I propose to summarize and split off the "education" section.  Comments? -- Gnetwerker 20:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, I beleive the proper acronym is "OHSU" for "Oregon Health Sciences University". --StuffOfInterest 03:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After the merger with the Oregon Graduate Institute, I think OHSU now stands for "Oregon Health & Science University" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scottrainey (talk • contribs) 12:44, February 2, 2006
===Colleges and Universities ===
"The undergraduate program self defined as 'University Studies' does not allow for the various kinds of learning styles that progressive education has as the core of it's [sic] value." This seems like a POV. Shouldn't it be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.216.45 (talk • contribs) 23:23, May 27, 2006
*Schools of Art and Food is really awkward. Who calls a culinary school a "school of food"? I'm changing it. Also, Willamette U. is most certainly not in Portland. It isn't even in the Portland metro area. It's in Salem. I'm deleting it. -little otik 04:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: "The undergraduate program self defined as 'University Studies' does not allow for the various kinds of learning styles that progressive education has as the core of it's [sic] value." This seems like a POV. Shouldn't it be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.216.45 (talk • contribs) 23:23, May 27, 2006
*Schools of Art and Food is really awkward. Who calls a culinary school a "school of food"? I'm changing it. Also, Willamette U. is most certainly not in Portland. It isn't even in the Portland metro area. It's in Salem. I'm deleting it. -little otik 04:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colleges and Universities 

message: The following text is argumentative, very POV, and unsupported.  Many would add that it is wrong, but we don't need to decide that to see it as not belonging in this article.  It certainly presents a false set of choices; couldn't educational reform AND increasing budget spending happen at the same time?
"Portland Public Schools are also known for their high ratio of drop-outs, as well as their low standardized test scores. Many feel an educational reform is necessary, rather than increasing the budget spending."  --Msalt 23:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education POV text removed 

message: It's true that Jefferson High has the highest concentration of black students in the Portland Public School District, but as this article from the Willamette Week reports, Jefferson is still better off than other high schools (specifically Roosevelt) in the district. Perhaps some mention should be made of that? I am Girl 22:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ethically balanced" high schools? 

message: Can someone actually attest (cite) that the various areas of Portland are actually denoted "Quadrants?"  Simulcra 17:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Lewis and Clark College page agrees. —Bunchofgrapes  (talk) 18:08, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the issue is that there are five "quadrants" listed for Portland, whereas the info in the Lewis/Clark College page list only four. -- Simulcra 11:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! A cursory web search of "portland fifth quadrant" seems to indicate that the "fifth quadrant" is more of a nickname for north Portland than anything "official". It's hard to tell how much currency it actually has as a nickname. I'd have to guess that splitting out North Portland into its own subsection is valuable, but I think we may be getting too cute with this "five quatrants" buisiness; I don't know. —Bunchofgrapes  (talk) 16:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes an "official" quadrant (other than being 1/4 of a whole)? If I refer to a location with a SE street address, it is in "South East."  If I refer to a location with an NE address, it is in "North East." If I refer to a location with an N address, it's definitely in "North Portland." Point being that North is a very real place, with very real North street numbers... if the "quadrants" are defined by street prefixes, then North is a quadrant. If this is not the case, then what defines a quadrant, as applied to Portland? Regardless, "North" is commonly used to refer to the collection of neighborhoods which have N addresses. The City of Portland uses it this way.  If there is an official definition of portland's quadrants (perhaps circa the great renumbering), it should certainly be referenced here, because I'm unclear on what government body has decreed that there be 4 quadrants in P-town. 65.243.175.114 19:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, since there really is N, NE,NW, SE and SW (five sectors in all), we should replace all mentions of "quadrant" with what each one really is - a "quinquant."  See "quinqu-" in wiktionary. BlackberryLaw 07:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it would be wise to conform to the Office of Neighborhood Involvement definitions of the 95 officially-recognized neighborhoods of Portland.  Along these lines, I think what's needed is a Neighborhoods of Portland, Oregon article that discusses ONI and provides comprehensive coverage of these neighborhoods, allowing this main Portland page to cover only the most noteworthy ones. --ScottMainwaring 05:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've discovered that not only don't all neighborhoods lie within a single "quadrant", but at least one (Bridlemile) isn't even entirely within the City of Portland itself, instead including a large portion beyond city limits in unincorporated Multnomah County.  Confusing and arbitrary! --ScottMainwaring 04:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out Seattle neighborhoods for what might be a good starting point for your proposed article, Scott.. --Lukobe 17:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Quadrants" 

message: "The NBA Portland Trail Blazers are the region's only professional major league team, playing basketball in the Rose Garden Arena."  What is meant by "region" here? If "region" means the Northwest, as it does elsewhere in the article, the statement is false, as Seattle has three professional "major league" teams (i.e., Sonics, Mariners, and Seahawks).  I'm writing a completely new article for the sports section.  Ok, not completely most of the information will stay but it will look nicer from my point of view. BryanAtkinson 08:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sports

message: The Good article nomination for  has failed
:Has 23 'citation needed' facts (all of which are needed). Also does not have an economy section as suggested during Peer Review. And finally, there are way too many external links in the Education section. Failed by (2a) and (3) from the good article criteria.
 Chuck(척뉴넘) 07:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article]] [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] has failed 

message: I can't find San Pedro Sula, Honduras on the Sister Cities International page or on Google. Is someone able to verify that it is indeed a sister city of Portland? Also, though Bologna, Italy, is listed in the SCI page it isn't on Portland's sister city page. Katr67 19:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister cities 

message: Did anyone notice that in the infobox at the bottom of the page it has a list of Major Cities. When did Keizer get added? I have never ven heard of that town/city! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.216.244.172 (talk • contribs) 01:19, June 19, 2006 (UTC).
:I've never been to northern Oregon, so I may be wrong, but Keizer, as I understand, is a twin city to Salem, which is only, I think, 30 miles downstate from Portland. Neither are that big, but there is (was?) a baseball team down there, I think, called the Salem-Keizer Volcanoes. --Coryma 01:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that big? Actually, Salem is now considered the second largest city in Oregon, and Keizer is roughly 14th. Yes, Salem-Keizer together are considered one metro area, sharing a school district, transportation district, etc. Keizer was incorporated in 1982. It's about 45 miles south of Portland. The Salem-Keizer Volcanoes are still a going concern. Since the above comments, however, the  infobox has had Keizer removed by the same anon user, so we might want to revisit that change. (BTW, sorry, this talk would be better placed on the Oregon template's talk page--I'm going to copy it there.) Katr67 17:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keizer 

message: Readers Digest has Portland as the cleanest city , do we want to mention this? tdwuhs
:While I don't doubt Reader's Digest, as it is an acceptable and noteworthy publication, the article in question provides very little info and data on the criteria that was used to rate these cities. All it says about that is, "From air to water to trash, Reader's Digest ran the numbers." Ok, that's great, but it really doesn't tell me anything! How did they look at the numbers on air quality, water pollution, etc? The article, as written, looks more like the personal opinion of the author than an actual scientific study of the cleanest cities in the nation. Dr. Cash 22:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanest City 

message: What's with the Mayor's Ball? I can't find proper information at WP and in the net... Scriberius 04:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mayor's Ball

message: Under the Northeast Portland Section (under the five quadrants) it says that the inner city neighborhoods around MLK blvd "were once predominately African American" but, because of gentrification, that is not the case. I don't know who wrote that but I drive through MLK all the time and it still is most definately predominately African American (it seems about 95%!) and, if anything, they appear to be increasing. Also, the North and Southeast quandrants of Portland definately have their African American neighborhoods as well. However, this is never really mentioned. 
Another thing that catches me offguard is where it says that Portland is only 6.33% African American. This seems very low. I know the suburbs have less than that and I know there are some neighborhoods in Portland (mostly Northwest and Southwest) where this 6.33% may be true, however, I grew up in and around Portland (including Northeast and Southeast) and 6.33% just seems low. I understand that this is an average number but every time I drive through most of the streets of Portland (not just near MLK but also around St. Johns, Southeast, Parkrose, and many other areas) I see much more than this. Also, every time I walk through Lloyd Center the number seems more like 40% there. And Lloyd Center is the central retail shopping area of Portland, which should have a somewhat accurate depiction of the total population. It is possible that the 3.55% from other races and the 4.15% from two or more races include mostly African Americans. This would make the number something like 12% to 14% of the population being African American (or at least mixed). That seems more like Portland. I don't know about that 6.33% number though, I know they are gov't census figures but what I see doesn't match up with what they say. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jae2006 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portland Demographics/Northeast Portland 

message: I think this page is great as it is right now, but I have a question.  I see that Portland is in the Marine West Coast climate zone.  Is there any way to find a map of the Marine West Coast climate zone of the northwestern United States?  Oh yeah, and what other cities might be in this zone?  Thanks!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.54.227.219 (talk • contribs) 
:For the patient, a wealth of information about what might also be called the "Coastal Temperate Rainforest of the Pacific Northwest" can be found at Ecotrust's GIS subsidiary,  Inforain. -- Gnetwerker 19:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, Thanks.
Please add a reference to the annual rainfall estimate.  The article currently says that the annual rainfall of Portland is 44.07 inches.  However, this NOAA webpage  says that the annual rainfall is 36.3 inches. PJMweb 05:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: The locator map :Image:Portland Multnomah.png gives the erroneous impression that Portland lies entirely within Multnomah County (and doesn't show the half of Hayden Island within city limits).  The "5 sections map" :Image:Portland.png shows only the central section of the city and doesn't give a good sense of its actual boundaries.  Could a cartographically inclined editor please supply some better maps?  Thanks!  --ScottMainwaring 05:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scott, I mildly disagree...as for Multnomah County, the portions of Portland that lie within Clackamas and Washington Counties are tiny, and I don't think they'd be noticeable on a map the size of the existing one. I believe the 3-county-spanning nature of Portland is adequately explained in the text. As for the quadrants, the map adequately illustrates the boundaries, which I believe is the important thing. I suppose a little stripe of red on Hayden Island couldn't hurt, and I'd be happy to edit that in if you think it would be sufficient? -Pete 06:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better maps needed 

message: :Over 167 profiles on MySpace refer to the city as "Portland Fucking Oregon", a nickname create perhaps as a means to distinguish the town from Portland, Maine and popularized by local radio personality Rick Emerson. A variety of clothing with this nickname are sold as tourist items at local bar Roxy bar and a variant, "PDFX", combining "Portland Fucking Oregeon" with the "PDX" area code is sold through cafepress.com.
This paragraph seems to contain original research.  That's why I cut it from the article.  It's certainly unreferenced.  Unless there are reliable secondary sources stating these facts though, we can't have 'em. -GTBacchus(talk) 06:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed paragraph 

message: I didn't even realize Orgegon had that. Do other states have a law like that? Just curious. --SavoirFaireIsEverywhere 23:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the Urban growth boundary article --Jason McHuff 19:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban growth boundary 

message: I was very surprised to see that, in no part of this article was there any mention of the fact that Portland, Oregon has a major homeless youth problem. I recently watched a documenary on MSNBC about this, and I certainly expected that anyone who decided to write about Portland, would include information about the hundreds of teens who flock there every month, escaping an abusive lifestyle, neglect, etc. Unless I missed a small portion of the article, I don't think that there was much to say about the issue. Anyone agree??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aka96818 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homeless Youth in Portland 

message: I thought the population for Portland sounded off, so checked out the link provided for its population. Under Table 7: Population of cities by Alphabetical listing, it shows Portland's 2005 population as being 556,000, not 533,000 so I'm going to change that. It also says the same under table 6, and I haven't checked the others. Here's the link this page provides.  Reticulum 01:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population esitmate off: By over 20,000. 

message: Since Portland's unique urban planning is noted on this page, I think some mention should be made of Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004), which is radically changing the context in which that planning takes place. I'll try to come back and add something, unless somebody else wants to do so. It's a politically charged issue, so it's especially important to keep it neutral. -Pete 18:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Measure 37