Talk:Spanish Revolution of 1936

message: Should we maybe do lots of work on this article as the 70th anniversary of the whole thing is coming up soon. There's lots to expand on for both the begining and supression of the revolution?
Chaikney 16:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 70th Anniversary Push?

message: It's the same as what I wrote for it under Anarchism in Spain, but I feel that it could be further expanded here. Also, it used to redirect to Spanish Civil War, which is false and misleading. --Tothebarricades.tk 23:39, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article 

message: I removed the the merge  tag from this page. The revolution is complex and important enough to merit its own article (to anarchists it is one of the most important events in history). This article will be longer at some point, whenever I get around to organizing my margin notes and everything from a few books I've recently read and update the article.  --Tothebarricades.tk 03:13, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: Do you think it's right to talk about POUM as Trotskyists? I think they didn't have direct connection with Trotsky except the person of Nin. I think it would be better to write there simply POUM. --Vladimír Fuka 12:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Orwell has them as Trotskyist (chapter 5 of Homage to Catalonia, p.61 my edition) but it's in "quotes", so it's not clear if they self-identified that or were just labelled that by the Stalinists or the Anarchists. Chaikney 16:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trotskyists?

message: This article, particularily the last two paragraphs seems a little POV.  I tweaked one sentence in the last one from "oppressive traditions" to "traditions some found oppressive" and I think that helped a little bit.  I consider myself an anarchist, so I'm not the best person to remove any pro-revolutionary bias from the article, but I can see another seeing this article as idealizing the revolution.  Tomorrowsashes 22:24, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutely right. Go on, then -- get scribbling! –Hajor 03:53, 12 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old random text

message: I added the "Unsourced" tag to the article just now because the article as it stands right now makes a wide variety of claims with only a single person's memoir as a source. If this event was so important and caused such fantastic effects there should be more sources available. - DNewhall 22:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of sources.  There is material written by particpants and observers (journalistic, polemical etc).  Lessons of the Spanish Revolution, by Vernon Richards (3rd ed, Freedom Press, 1983) is written from an anarchist perspective, as is the pre-revolution study by Murray Bookchin, The Spanish Anarchists: the heroic years, 1868-1936, AK Press, 1998.  The largest study I'm aware of is the comprehensive The Anarchists in the Spanish Civil War, by Robert Alexander. 2 vols, Janus Publishing Company, 1999.  It's not a committed anarchist text like the other two.  If and when I get time I may do some work based on these and other sources, but really I'd invite others to get hold of these and incorporate some facts because it's unlikely I can do anything much any time soon. --Dannyno 10:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs more sources, especially since this is claiming to be the ONLY collective society to ever have created a surplus of anything. 2 sources, both socialists, is not enough to prove to me that it actually worked, let alone improved efficiency by 20%.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.183.177 (talk) 07:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Severely lacking sources

message: I know that Bork.'s account is already mentioned elsewhere. Perhaps it could be better integrated into the article, I don't know. But it is vital that it be included: even the non-Comintern sympathising Left didn't necessarily think that the "spanish revolution" was all peaches and cream. By accepting Orwell's account uncritically, we are doing a disservice to his legacy of accepting uncomfortable truths. BillMasen (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just a question of redundancy between articles; this was a cut'n'paste job which is discouraged by WP:CFORK as you often end up having one version which deviates from WP:NPOV. Let's put the Borkenau material that only relates to Catalonia in the other article, and mention it here with a link. And on the question of putting Orwell in context, there must be dozens of critical studies of his writings.  Skomorokh  16:00, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borkenau 

message: I've added a few lines on Michael Seidman's thought-provoking work on self-management during the Spanish Revolution plus a snapshot of the various ways those sympathetic to the revolution have dealt with the difficult contradictions of the period. I hope that's OK with everyone.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neacc (talk • contribs) 18:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your latter paragraph is written from the point of view that Seidman is objectively correct; in the uncited linking sentences, you dismiss the writings of others that contradict Seidman's position as "understatements of the problem", and take as a given the "limitations of the Spanish Revolution" (presumably you mean those which Seidman pointed to).  Also the final sentence sounds a lot like OR — do you have a citation for it?  I think you added a lot of good salvageable info, but could you try to cut away the POV and OR?  I'll start it out by changing "Michael Seidman has revealed other contradictions" to a less POV phrase, and if you want I can try later to fix up more of it myself, but I'd rather give you a chance since you're the one who knows what you're talking about; I'd have to delete a lot of it just assuming that it's OR.  -Inkwiry (talk) 14:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Seidman

message: It would be interesting to update this article with information on the May 15 2011 movement branded Democracia Real Ya (Real Democracy Now), or Spanish Revolution in the social networks. 83.34.178.73 (talk) 20:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  15M movement 

message: This line at the end of the article has not citation 
"(Such a radical transformation would, of course, be easier in the 21st century, with its potential for material abundance, than in the Spain of the 1930s, with its harsh poverty and civil war conditions.)"
If you want to make this claim you could use this article by David Graeber as a source 
http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20130820174826479
Im a novice Wikipedia editor and not an anarchist so Id prefer leave it up to the experts as to weather or not this is a suitable citation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultan42 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim without citation  

message: The lede is terrible. I can't tell if this is a topic compounded on by an essay, or a real event. It looks like someone's original research. Why is there a gigantic block of quotation in the lede? 128.84.127.161 (talk) 03:28, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the entire lede of this article a quotation? 

message: This article relies too much on quotes, and most of them are incredibly long quotes. It's ridiculous. I'll come back when I have more time and gut them. Richard75 (talk) 00:50, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: When I edited the article I tried to either incorporate the quotations into other parts of the article, or delete the overly extensive ones (as with Orwell). The main problem I had was with the Criticisms section, which I left largely untouched. While criticisms of such an event would be important to keep in, I feel they'd need to be better integrated into the body, maybe re-written using the sources but not the quotes. Grnrchst (talk) 10:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive quotation  

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