Talk:Unitheism

message: Ok, this page has been the site of a silly edit war.  There's one person claiming to have coined the term in the 1970's, who has the domain name, and at least one other person denigrating that one person, for some reason.  Let's stop reverting each other and talk about it.  Why is the other person so wrong, huh?  Say something here, on the talk page - it's what it's for. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: I found this - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743417046 - a book by Michael Gurian, in which he apparently used the term.  
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(removed self-promotion that is not related to the topic).  Wikipedia is not a soap-box, or forum for self-promotion, or blog for rambling, bumbling auto biographies) (The Boomer 23:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like a new, generally unused portmanteau word. "-theism" comes from Greek (θεος, meaning "god") and "uni-" comes from Latin (unus, meaning "one"). Compare to the real words "monotheism" (μονο- being the Greek prefix for "one"), and "pantheism" (παν means many in Greek) and "theocracy" (from θεος and κρατος meaning "ruler"), jguk 11:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it to the disambiguation page (and cleaned it up) because that was the last revision of the page that was coherent.  Looking into this further, it seems that the only usage of the word (except rarely in place of monotheism, incorrectly) is by King and his associates. User:24.103.28.124, the author of most of the rambling inserted into the article, claims to be King here (). This article appears to be an attempt to use Wikipedia as a soapbox for King to promote unitheism. -- Jonel | Speak 18:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for sources for this article 

message: (removed self-promotion that is not related to the topic).  Wikipedia is not a soap-box, or forum for self-promotion, or blog for rambling, bumbling auto biographies) (The Boomer 23:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: TThere's no more references for what the disambiguation page said than there are for what the original author said.  Nobody seems to be using the term "unitheism" to mean monotheism or pantheism (or panentheism, for that matter). -GTBacchus(talk) 08:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like a new, generally unused portmanteau word. "-theism" comes from Greek (θεος, meaning "god") and "uni-" comes from Latin (unus, meaning "one"). Compare to the real words "monotheism" (μονο- being the Greek prefix for "one"), and "pantheism" (παν means many in Greek) and "theocracy" (from θεος and κρατος meaning "ruler"), jguk 11:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted it to the disambiguation page (and cleaned it up) because that was the last revision of the page that was coherent.  Looking into this further, it seems that the only usage of the word (except rarely in place of monotheism, incorrectly) is by King and his associates. User:24.103.28.124, the author of most of the rambling inserted into the article, claims to be King here (). This article appears to be an attempt to use Wikipedia as a soapbox for King to promote unitheism. -- Jonel | Speak 18:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: So, unitheism seems to be a neologism, currently used by about 3 writers and a handful of other people.  Apparently, it has yet to be picked up by the mainstream, or referenced in any major publication. That puts it a bit shy of the requirements on WP:V.  I'm taking it to AfD.
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There is nothing 'neo' about this.  Read below.
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Here is a reference for its use in Pantheism, in the form of the thousands year old belief system of Native Indians. http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:S3xu_J3QXjUJ:www.usbr.gov/pmts/economics/reports/Valuation%2520of%2520Indian%2520Resources%2520Land%2520and%2520Water%2520Resources.pdf+unitheism&hl=en&client=firefox-a
"To support such responsibility, many American Indian religions assert that a
creative force forged the world and all things on it. Subsequently, all things and beings
have a certain degree of sacredness and all things and beings are interconnected. One
author describes this belief system as “Unitheism” meaning that everything is sacred and
the sacred is everything (Kaelin 1998)"
Here is a reference to another meaning and usage - a unification of beliefs
http://users.skynet.be/horizons/unitheisme/indexeng.html
"UNITHEISM : the true universal religion was born.
God addresses to all human beings a new message of joy, freedom, tolerance and
fraternity. God wants human beings to put an end to religious fights and wars.
He wants human beings - Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists,
Pantheists and all followers of any sects - to join the universal peace."
This page contains a broken link to a Wiccan/Pagan's use of the word.  Many Wiccans use this word.
http://members.tripod.com/torann_2/links/pagan.htm
"UniTheism: My definition - Personal page's about UniTheism. A few of my favourite Pagan links pages."
This is a web article that discusses the Vedra/Mithra use of the word.
http://assoc.wanadoo.fr/cercle.ernest-renan/Mithrandmithriacism.htm
" The Gâthâ, reflecting the thoughts of Zarathustra, differentiate themselves theologically from the others parts of the Avesta. The zoroastrian reform, founded on a moral unitheism, practically eliminated all divine powers to the profit of the only Ahura Mazda that appears in all his glory, surrounded by six Archangels (18) the Amasha Spanta, the "Immortal Benefactors". But in the first two, Vohu Manah" the Good Thought" and Asha "the order", one detects a transcription of the old Mitra-Varouna duo."
It is used in this outline of an article on Islam.
http://users.skynet.be/horizons/islam/indexeng.html
"There are more than one billion Muslims on earth. This religion has - in the same way as Catholicism - a universal vocation and tries to establish a theocracy.
There is, in the Koran that has to be read absolutely! - and in the Sharia (religious law) a series of ideas that are against the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: inferior status of the wife, but also inferior status of people who are not Muslim and are living in a Muslim territory.
Muslims are not allowed to change religion (if you do so, you can be punishable by death penalty in an Islamic country). Judicial penalties like flagellation, amputation of a hand or a foot, or even stoning are enforced.
A « cultural shock » is not a purely theoretical view. How to avoid it ?
With a greater international solidarity in the sharing out of the wealth.
With an international protection of the liberal and lay intellectuals in Islamic countries.
With the opposition to any sects and any religions.
With the promotion of a new and universal religion that advocates freedom, tolerance, fraternity and joy : Unitheism."
It is used in reference to Unitarian Universalists here.
http://www.beliefnet.com/boards/message_list.asp?boardID=8215&discussionID=405731
"The great thing about UUism, is that it embraces so many religions. Not all the following is necessarily in perfect harmony with UUism, but I have listed many so called 'heterodox' religions. (many evangelicals would call them 'cults'):
The Letter U
1. Unitheism
2. Unity
3. Universism
4. Church Universal (and the New Church (Thomas Lake Harris))
5. Unitarian Universalism
6. American Unitarian (founded by UUs, but a separate denomination)
7. small u unitarians
8. small u universalists
9. United Church of Christ
10. United Church of Canada"
Other references have been found to its use in all 4 of the major meanings overviewed.  Some of the links are now broken.  Also realize that the internet is a relatively new medium.  The result is that it does not yet represent a very large portion of the greater pool of literature.  Some references to the word are very old and not all of them on are the internet.
Wikipedia should set the record straight. The disambiguation entry was a fair summary of the previous article which DID contain some references to alternate uses.  More references have been provided.  Non-English references exist including French and Hebrew.  Even more references exist off of the internet.  If Wikipedia drops this entry, the use of an old word threatens to be co-opted by personal agendas and increasingly voluminous recent internet entries of a retired crack pot with too much time on his hands.  He will persist in his agenda as the history of entries clearly shows.  These actions and silence acceptance of them, do not lend much credibility to the internet or sources such as Wikipedia.
I am the author of the article that outlined 4 supported usages and meanings of the word. I have made the above comments in support of the current disambiguation entry to clarify this.  
My intentiion is not to denigrate King and his associate, but rather to clarify how he has been trying to use Wikipedia to add legitimacy to his disproven claim that he coined a new word.  I have opened this user account to clarify my intentions and actions and to receive comments in these regards.--The Boomer 20:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for this one 

message: This article has been kept following this AFD debate. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFD debate link 

message: I, the Rev. Lindsay G. King suggest the following: Let those who accuse me of self-promotion demonstrate and prove that I have at any time been interested, only, in doing so. My interest is in getting the message across.
The message is: GOD is the One in which all else exists. I strongly disagree with the following:
His latest entry has yet again been reverted to the disambiguation entry agreed upon.  The Boomer 21:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: Monotheism is the believe in the existance of one God. Unitheism is the believe or exceptation that all monotheists believe in the same God. Therefor I have placed "monotheism" under See also. Limboot 20:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Monotheism is no unitheism