Talk:Sani Abacha

message: Hi tedio9us page guardians ; the link for citation 36 is broken; a new link for the updated document might be 
https://www.transparency.org/en/news/25-corruption-scandals
https://www.transparency.org/files/content/corruptionqas/Political_corruption_topic_guide_2014.pdf
no chance I could edit this page, since you are in charge. go for it  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.101.48.113 (talk) 21:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link for Transparecny International 

message: Could somebody please add a note that his death was termed as the "coup from heaven"?  I'd give a google link, but I really need to stop editing pages when I'm supposed to be researching for my big ap test tomorrow.  Thanks! Mysticfeline 01:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: coup from heaven

message: I am currently dealing with Sani Abacha's widow, the hajia Maryam Abacha. It turns out that he deposited 21.3 million dollars in three trunk boxes that have been secreted into a security company (City Trust Security United) with specific instructions that his widow transfer the money for investment to a foreign partner located overseas. I think that this should be in the Wikipedia article.
 Smith Jones 03:36, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  either this is supposed to be 'funny' or you are ensnared in a nigerian email scam, which in some ways is even funnier, if more tragic. 24.4.132.165 (talk) 04:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Even though you could be working for or with Mr. Abacha's widow if some info isn't published then it is original research and should not be present in the article. On the contrary, if you have seen it somewhere would you care to cite the source. Lincher 01:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, does it count? Well, I better remove it then since I can't prove it (yet). Would a newspaper article about my windfall count as a source? If so, after I pay my demurrage fees and get the money, I'll try to get a reporter to write an article about the windfall. But in the mean time, I guess I should remove it. Smith Jones 21:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe if there is a news source that covers it. Lincher 17:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ONe will undoubtedly come out as soon as the demurrage fractionalizes and I get the money transferred into my account. Smith Jones 02:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If you know about it, then add it with from reliable source, if not, then the article doesn't really talk about that. Lincher 22:26, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't know about it, so I looked for a source, and found a reference on the BBC News web site that his widow's name is Maryam. --Metropolitan90 23:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further Info 

message: Abacha died in the company of two Indian prostitutes - according to Nigerian papers (see references), according to Karl Maier and the New York Times (see references), and according to the Daily Telegraph, to Time Magazine and to The Economist as well. If you consider it an "irresponsible unconfirmed speculation", Uznw, then back up your claim, please.--Ankimai 13:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: @Ankimai but they said he was poisoned 105.112.70.220 (talk) 10:36, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: His sudden death

message: I found the last version (which describes Abacha's death in an orgy of 2 Indian men, 1 transexual, and 2 "year 9 girls") to not match at all the source document it was linked to, an indian newspaper, that describes 2 indian female prostitutes. I deleted what appeared to be slanderous or false information, but retained the link, and a more general description. 5amuel (talk) 14:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Death revision

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thread_title: File:Sabacha.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: I keep seeing this in the spellcheck- as it is a magazine title, should it not be italicized ? 
--RichardMills65 (talk) 05:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  NewYorker 

message: The legacy section  contradicts the allegations and facts presented in the Human Rights Abuses section and seems very much like propaganda to me, since the tone of the entire section seems to be that of praise for democratic achievements for a man who has also been linked to repression and killings of pro-democracy activists. Someone should really review that section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.77.151.201 (talk) 18:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Section has now been deleted as it is 100% weasel words. SaintedLegion (talk) 11:30, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

text: There is no need to be sorry. But you're just wrong. Wole Soyinka is one of Nigeria's leading public intellectuals, probably its most well-known - his opinion is relevant. And the article cites sources for its claims on Abacha's popularity. Find sources for what you claim about Abacha's popularity and edit the article. Either way, your regional factionalism is not needed. Mesh22 (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section 

message: There's an undue reliance on southern nigerian sources here. Why should the opinion of a wole soyinka take precedence over academic and scholarly work?
I get that a lot of southerners dont like Abacha but one does not have the right to tamper with history.
This article is disputed at best.
Alaminalpha (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:57, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Re Legacy Section

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message: On security, the source is an opinion piece hence a primary source, the section is not properly researched and may give a reader confusing and biased information. The section almost claims the administration violated human rights  to achieve whatever success in state security. There is no statistics for the claims and again, a better source than a primary source. There is little reference made to potential human rights violations while seemingly praising the 'achievements'. It looks like NPOV. 
Statesman, by whom, which people and what are the sources?
On restructuring. It was done for rotational presidency and to share derivation revenues, states still exist, it was never done for administrative reasons. For a restructuring to be worthwhile it has to have some law, what is the law that gave the country the restructuring, and is it still relevant.Alexplaugh12 (talk) 17:38, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The issues. ALL biased and henced NPOV related issues.  

message: updated the subject's introduction thus "...was a Nigerian dictator, kleptocrat and military general". It is widely reported across multiple international news sources how repressive the subject was and how he pilfered Nigeria's wealth for personal gain. I provided substantiation for the Kleptocracy from the Department of Justice, that has spearhearded a lot of the loot recovery and the dictatorship by the BBC @ . I am very concerned about Zerzuran's repeated updates to certain Wikipedia entries which seem more like image laundering rather than sticking to the facts and being neutral. The undoing of my substantiation reads like information suppression and that Zerzuran' justified under a very vague "adherence to policies and guides". 
Furthermore, I believe Zerzuran is deserving of some form of sanction for edit warring and not making a case in the Talk Pages. Kunkuru (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Information suppression concerns (wrt to Kleptocrat and Dictator characterizations) by Zerzuran 

message: To protect the integrity of this platform and to prevent a gratuitous edit war, I'm flagging the suppression of properly cited and publicly available information by  
Kunkuru (talk) 22:06, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This article already has an entire 'Corruption' section that describes all allegations of graft against the subject. Insisting on describing him as a 'Kleptocrat' only amounts to character assassination and constitutes WP:LABEL and WP:TONE violation. B Enkay 45 (talk) 22:36, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's interesting you use the term 'allegation' when so much of the "Abacha loot" has been recovered from successive Nigerian governments. Nigerian and international media have documented the loot and the terms kleoptocracy and kleptocrat have been consistently used to describe the subject's actions. I guess these objective sources are involved in character assassination? The Wikipedia ethos will prevail and no amount of image laundering will sully the integrity of this platform. Neither will the incorrect citation of Wikipedia labels hide what's publicly available information. Kunkuru (talk) 01:06, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am not disputing any of those facts but technically they still remain 'Allegations' as the Man is deceased, and never really stood trial. You can go ahead, and include those sources along with your disclaimer in the 'Corruption' section (If it already hasn't been done), and maybe make a case for the 'Kleptocracy'.B Enkay 45 (talk) 01:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Flagging information supression by ‎B Enkay 45 

message: :The B-class criteria #1 states;  and #4, 
:There is a subsection "insufficient context" (April 2020), inline "citation needed" tags (March 2022), and unsourced content. Reassess article to C-class. --  Otr500 (talk) 13:06, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Article issues and classification