Talk:Ukrainian Holocaust

message: Russian historians tend to criticize this Ukrainian view for what they claim to be an attempt to appropriate the larger-scale tragedy of collectivization in the USSR as their own national terror-famine, thus exploiting it for political purposes.
Which Russian historians? And why only Russian? This seems to be not clear. Of course, Soviet historians denied everything. Otherwise they would learn about Holodomor first hand in labor camps. The sentence will be removed if no references are provided. Wikipedia forbids original research.--Andrew Alexander 05:59, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no denial of "everything". And quite a few russian historians learned something in labor camps firsthand. Exactly for this reason "claim to be an attempt to appropriate". Russians had their own share, but poison-gassing of peasants during Tambov Rebellion supervised by Vladimir Antonov-Ovseenko is not called Ukrainian-Bolshevik Russian Genocide.  mikka (t) 06:24, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever. Please provide some references. Thanks.--Andrew Alexander 16:22, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: How about Some References?

message: This has to be one of the worst articles regarding the Ukrainian Holocaust I have ever seen. The person who made this Holocaust possible, Stalin, isn't even mentioned in this article. You've got to be joking. Those of you who know about this topic have an obligation to add to this article. I'm disgusted. Jtpaladin 21:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rotten article 

message: It is a shame to deny mass murder in Ukraine only because of "not only Ukrainians were murdered". For the 70 years it was only silence about this terrible Russian "special way" to exterminate Ukrainians. Only few honest European intellectuals (George Orwell for example: “Huge events like the Ukraine famine of 1933, involving the deaths of millions of people, have actually escaped the attention of the majority of English russophiles”) mentioned this horror. And now after almost century of silence we have denial from a… I can’t even call this creatures humans. Shameful creatures – this is who they are.
Hitoda 20:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shameful denial 

message: Holodomor Template was added to this article strictly for background information of related articles in Wikipedia.  The Holodomor template is patterned after the Holocaust  Template and the Armenian Genocide Template.
:The template, if any, should meet the consensus by its content. So far it is a random and strange collection of stuff someone might have "heard" or something. It cannot be used in articles. --Irpen 05:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Holodomor Template

message: All Points-of-View must be fairly represented in the article.  They need to pass Wikipedia's requirements to be included - We cannot say that one source is better than another they all need to be included fairly. If there is something that a editor finds distastefully and hard to believe Wikipedia policy is to use verifiable material over what is perceived to be the "truth".  We have a group of editors removing valid verifiable material that they appear to be uncumfortable with.    Take a break and re-read Wikipedia's policies.  Bobanni (talk) 06:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Something being "referenced" does not warrant inclusion on its own. Referenced POV should be presented in a balanced way in the proper place, that is in proper sections of the proper articles. Holodomor has a dedicated section where Conquest's POV is discussed along with the POV of other scholars. What you do here, is present his POV passingly as an undisputed fact. This cannot be done. Further, this article is not about the famine but about the political term. The judgment about the famine is simply not the subject of this article. If some people did not try to equate the Holocaust, an attempt to exterminate an entire nation, with the Famine, which, artificial or not, was not an attempt of a similar kind, we would have no term to talk about. Attempts to present the topic in such a one-sided way is exactly the problem that lead to the abuse of this term. --Irpen 19:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Referenced Material

message: I hope noone minds me merging the article to Holodomor this article said nothing new, in fact the Holodomor section that I pointed the redirect to effectively repeats what this article says. Apart from that it is all but a useless article. --Kuban Cossack 10:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: My merger

message: Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "Restoring prior version --> better reflects the terms used".    More specifically, according to the Holodomor article, the term Ukrainian Holocaust, in reference to the Holodomor, is controversial, which should be reflected in the disambig page. --K.e.coffman (talk) 11:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 2021 edits