Talk:Blade Runner/Archive 2

message: Guys, I tried to fix the first line which uses the word "dystopic" which is not a word.  Wiki itself forwards you away from it.  "Dystopian" is the adjective you're looking for.  Fix this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.8.148.130 (talk • contribs) .
:Which is the correct term? - RoyBoy 800 01:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dystopic is more properly a medical term, and uncommon in general usage.  Considering that utopian is a prevalent adjective (vis-à-vis utopic which is incorrect), the converse should be true here – dystopian. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dystopic vs. dystopian 

message: Largely culled from insignificant critics, they give their sections an advertorial quality without really adding information. Jonathan F 04:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were put in because it was requested by someone in a peer review. While they may not be notable, I think they provide context to Blade Runner's notability for the sci-fi/film communities; in a much more effective way than explaining it. - RoyBoy 800 03:37, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I forgot to mention the websites they write for are significant notable. - RoyBoy 800 17:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pull-out quotes

message: I noticed on the list of featured articles that this page, although a featured article, has never been on the main page. Why is this? The Wookieepedian 23:17, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all featured articles are feautred on the main page.  There are a lot of featured articles that are not listed in bold (to indicate they were featured on the main page). -- JHunterJ 00:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is that? The Wookieepedian 01:06, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because one number (the number of featured articles) is greater than the other (the number of articles featured on the main page).  It's not a sign of disrespect, it's just a thing.  The alternatives would be either to have BR not be a featured article at all or to take away the "main page featured" status from one of the bolded articles in the list to give it to BR. -- JHunterJ 02:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Essentially we have to nominate it (point it out for consideration). I am holding off until the Special Edition comes out. Then it being on the main page will coincide with its release. Also the 25 anniversay is coming up... that's another potential date. Getting it on the main page simply isn't a priority for me, and shouldn't be done just for the heck of it. Ideally it should be a notable date for the subject. - RoyBoy 800 03:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, good thinking. The Wookieepedian 04:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So does June 25 sound right to you? ;) The Wookieepedian 05:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page? 

message: Interesting editing, I'm thinking of reverting all the changes. - RoyBoy 800 17:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A user has recently made substantial edits to Blade Runner; a featured article, I have reverted them all but I'd like feedback if any specific edits should be kept. - RoyBoy 800 17:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I reverted back to cyberpunk because I tried to look for the wikipedia policy that said geekiness was not line with wikipedia's standards but could not find it. It is what it is, saying it is "geeky" might as well mean we eliminate whole articles on dungeons and dragons. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.166.223.147 (talk) 03:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes 

message: Copied from User talk:RoyBoy:
Saying half its size was probably excessive. However, for example, there is no need to list 10 actors, and the art and soundtrack persons in the introduction (especially when they are listed in the infobox on the right). The whole last paragraph of the introduction could be moved somewhere else. Same for the last sentence of the second paragraph -- Centrx 03:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could be right about the actors, especially when compared to Casablanca (film); however the art and soundtrack people are notable and should be mentioned. I disagree with the moves; also keep in mind this isn't simply an introduction to the subject; but an overview of the subject and article. - RoyBoy 800 03:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Removed non-starring roles. - RoyBoy 800 03:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no notable innovation, Syd Mead and Vangelis are simply notable in their own right. - RoyBoy 800 22:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Recent additions to the lead have been made with little care for good writing or readability. For instance, the statement of the insufficiency of the DVD is not only awkward but serves as commentary. The term "retrofitted future" was haphazardly thrown in to the lead where it should be specially defined (see WP:Lead#Accessible). Also, "military commando-model" constitutes jargon and is unnecessary. Jonathan F 08:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I think it pertinent to note they are led by a commando, I'm not pushing for it (as its a bit of a spoiler) and wasn't added by me. "retrofitted future" was added by me, and is an essential descriptor of the films visual motif. I'll try to clarify it. - RoyBoy 800 22:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I think the latter was a useful addition as it is as central to describing the design of the film as "used future" is to describing the visual scheme of Star Wars. Jonathan F 05:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for discussing edits here. I agree that "gritty" should go back in somehow (it did in a way). Realism when used to describe films suggests either a documentary-like quality or naturalistic psychological aspects. When used to describe production design, it suggests a lack of embellishment (hence the Battle of Algiers example) so it would fail as a descriptor for the design of this film. I think the problem with the sentence is it still conveys "November, 2019—37 years in the 'retrofitted future'" which doesn't make sense as the term only describes the approach of the designers, not the world the characters live in (they're not "conscious" about the new being grafted onto the old—they take the contrast between the rickshaws and the spinners for granted). Jonathan F 05:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problemo. Yeah, I agree on it not being "gritty" as a documentary... maybe "gritty atmosphere" would be more accurate? Indeed the characters do take that for granted, I suppose its okay... but "while retaining their industrial grit" needs tweaking. Perhaps "but being covered by pervasive grit" or "while being aged by the gritty atmosphere"... something along those lines, as the grit is constant rather than retained. - RoyBoy 800 18:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, "gritty atmosphere" is good. My call to define the aforementioned design motif in the lead may have been misconceived. Since "retrofitted future" is so pervasive as a visual scheme in other media and as a phrase on the Internet, I feel now that it is sufficient to simply name it in the lead (as you had done originally =S), provided it's in a carefully worded sentence. Then, if needed, the article itself can go into further detail. Jonathan F 07:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a rough start; its occurance on the Internet and current sci-fi chatter is becoming commonplace, and that made me forget the broader audience. We do need to flesh it out a bit, not only to clarify BR's flavor of the term, but to explain to a 10 year old or 100 year old what the heck it is. Alternatively/also we could create a new "retrofitted future" stub article. :"D RoyBoy 800 05:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Tweaked out retained and put in the descriptive "damp gritty atmosphere" for the overall visual design. Removed modified, as it doesn't seem needed. - RoyBoy 800 05:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead discussion 

message: While it was indeed followed by Soldier; in this context Followed by means sequel. If that wasn't enough, although Peoples put Soldier in the same universe, he has no authority to make this official. So that makes it an unofficial sidequel. - RoyBoy 800 05:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In this context, according to the syntax guide, it means "a link to the related film that came out after this one."  Soldier is the related film (an unofficial sidequel, but related nonetheless) that came out after this one. -- JHunterJ 11:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I suppose an alternate solution would be to update the syntax guide with the narrower definition, though.  That would work too. -- JHunterJ 13:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: "if part of a trilogy of series" follows "for example", so is an illustration, not a restriction.  I am tangentially unsure that the BR Partnership would serve as an authority as to what is "Followed-by"-able on Wiki, but that is neither here nor there. -- JHunterJ 17:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: We both agree that Soldier is not an official sidequel, but an unofficial sidequel.  The question isn't one of authority. The question is, should Followed by list unofficial sidequels or not?  The syntax guide allows is (unofficial sidequels certainly fall into "related film that came out after"), but the style guide could be wrong (and need to be corrected).  But, in the end, I think there is no harm and some utility in listing Soldier in the infobox.  Perhaps flagged there as "unofficial"? -- JHunterJ 11:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am of the opinion that since it is not an official sequal, nor even an unoffical sequal realy, that it should not be listed in the infobox. The infobox "followed by" should be reserved for real offical sequals.—Asatruer 14:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Which would mean, in turn, that the syntax guide for the infobox should indicate that restriction. -- JHunterJ 14:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: But I'm happy with the current less-restrictive wording. :-) -- JHunterJ 15:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try and stick with the Talk page guide to indent layout. Back on topic...Regardless of what the infobox syntax says and how it can be interperated, Soldier is not a real follow up film to Blade Runner. Just because Peoples says Soldier takes place in the same universe does not make it a follow up movie in the sense of a sequel. Since it is unofficial and not part of any Blade Runner franchise, it shouldn't be listed.—Asatruer 17:09, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TPG: "Other indentation systems are equally acceptable and widely used (such as a threaded tree format, like that often seen in email clients)."  Please stop changing the acceptable layout.  I disagree that this entry should disregard Wikipedia guides. -- JHunterJ 17:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Heh, well that may well be, but "series" is mentioned twice in the definition; I believe that disqualifies Soldier outright. - RoyBoy 800 17:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As mentioned earlier, the definition uses "series" as an illustration, not a requirement. -- JHunterJ 17:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: But series is a telling illustration of what is expected. I see no immediate inconsistency, as the BR template refers to BR series articles, but it can certainly be confused to imply BR series films. I'll move Soldier to related. That's an interesting idea, but no good, as the Infobox is for point form info, not redirects and caveats. - RoyBoy 800 19:48, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'd have to over-reach to read the (former) first line in the template as a list of articles and not films.  The infobox already has caveats like (novel) and (Director's cut).  No redirect being mentioned, unless you're talking about wikilinks, which are also rife in the infobox. Deleting the information outright is no good either, as the infobox is for information. -- JHunterJ 20:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The scene from Soldier that the Spinner appears also has an F117, and part of the ship from Event Horizon and an Aircraft carrier. Add to that references to a Bugs Bunny cartoon, Aliens, the video game Doom, various other films and a number of other Kurt Russell films, it is hard to figure out who's universe this movie actualy takes place in.  There are about as many references to other Kurt Russell films as there are to Blade Runner. Though the writer and director both say it is in the Blade Runner universe.—Asatruer 22:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What sets it in the BR universe are the multiple references to Tannhauser Gate. The Wookieepedian 22:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Not quite, as (novel) and (DC) are needed for clarity, adding a redirect to sequels clarifies nothing. The infobox is for relevant information, not trivia. Mentions of Tannhauser Gate and some props thrown in simply isn't sufficiently notable to put Soldier in the infobox for anything; let alone providing the wrong impression Soldier is an official film related to BR. - RoyBoy 800 02:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite, those caveats clarify, just as a caveat of (unofficial spin-off) would clarify Soldier.  It isn't trivial. -- JHunterJ 10:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which isn't trivial? I'd agree Soldier being related to BR is notable (earns a mention in the article), but how its related is trivial. Your solution does work and I won't remove it (even though it taking two lines is an eye sore), but I have my doubts Soldier meets the intended criteria of Followed by; perhaps ultimately you could create a new Infobox section, Sidequel or Related value. - RoyBoy 800 15:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Blade Runner 2: The Edge of Human should be in the "followed by" space? The Wookieepedian 19:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with RoyBoy on this issue.  Soldier's connections to Blade Runner are ultimatly a series of homages and insider references. The connections are notable, but slight.  Putting anything into the "followed by" field is misleading to the reader who looks at this page knowing nothing about Blade Runner -- and clarity of information is the primary purpose behind an encyclopedia.  At the end of the day, Blade Runner is not a franchise, it's a stand-alone film.  There were tie-in novels -- but many films have tie-in novels to cash-in on a film's popularity. They are not true sequels.  There references for the audience of Soldier to pick up on, but this doesn't make Soldier a Blade Runner film anymore than The Rock is a James Bond film or Who Framed Roger Rabbit a Mickey Mouse film.  I feel that there should be nothing in the "Followed By" field, and any references to Soldier or the tie-in novels should be in the text of the article, where its tenuous relationship to Blade Runner is clear and unabigiouous. ~CS 20:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most movie tie-ins are novelizations; the BR novels are not -- they are true (non-tenuous) sequels, but they are not movies, which means they shouldn't be in the Followed by slot according to the syntax guide.  Putting something clear in Followed by would serve the purpose of an encyclopedia, and "Soldier (unofficial spin-off)" is not misleading or unclear.  But I think I've exhausted my bag of tricks on this one. -- JHunterJ 20:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry -- I meant to only say Soldier's relationship is tenuous, then added a line about the books without noticing how it changed the meaning of the sentence.  You're correct about tie-in novels not being inculded in infoboxes (eg, Star Wars or Star Trek films). I do, however, stand by my other assertion about the line being misleading.  It is attributing a stronger relationship between the pieces than what actually exists. ~CS 21:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The relationship between Soldier and BR is even weaker than "unofficial spin-off"? -- JHunterJ 00:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. An unofficial spin-off would be a fanfilm, such as The Blade Runner Chronicles. Soldier is not a spin-off in the sense there is no direct connection with the BR characters and/or storyline (apart from artificial soldiers, but even then its not established they are Nexus series replicants... actually we know they aren't as he had a childhood). Mentioning Tannhauser Gate and throwing in some props simply doesn't accomplish that. - RoyBoy 800 02:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are making it too complicated.  It's an unofficial spin-off in that the writer wrote it as a "sidequel" (spin-off) without authorization from the BR Partnership (unofficial). -- JHunterJ 02:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is complicated, and sidequel (that was the intent, but was that the result?) does not equate to a spin-off. Unofficial is fine, spin-off doesn't exactly work... well it works, but does not convey what is intended. - RoyBoy 800 04:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: He's the 2nd screenwriter of BR, not THE writer of BR. I neglected to list Peoples above for a reason, Dick and Fancher have the authority and authorship respectively to create a spin-off; I just don't see authorship for Peoples as well... as he was integrating Ridley's ideas in large part. - RoyBoy 800 22:07, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Followed by: Soldier 

message: The following was added by an anon in the SE section:
:The 2-disc will be released in the UK on October 9th.
Moved it to DC as I think what is being release in 2006 is the digitally remastered Director's cut. I'm pretty sure the SE will be released in 2007 as per the article. - RoyBoy 800 15:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Release 

message: Im a new member, i added something just before, about how the scene where roy kills tyrell is a very powerful one, who delelted it? im not really bothered its just i want to know who deleted it, and also, where can you say you have edited things, this isnt a legitimate place i know, someone tell me where to put the confirmation of edits, also someone tell me hoe to create my own page, obvsiously not just about me, something i can add, maybe someone can use an email to do this, its j_o_leary@hotmail.com, thanks
:Answered on User talk:Film lover -- JHunterJ 00:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New edits

message: For the longest time I remember Blade Runner, in any version, being really hard to buy because of dvd distrubting arguments or summat. But I noticed today, while in an Australian "Big W" store that it is now for sale, the directors edition. What caused it to be suddenly back in print in a region like Australia? Can we expect the real special edition to come out soon? Will it stay in print? Is it the same as the original Blade Runner DVD, or is it enchanced in a way that modern dvds are? This article wont tell me, if anyone else knows it would be great to reflect that here, as the Blade Runner dvd was one of the first dvds ever and one of the most famous "rare" dvds to find (although I know regions like the UK have had prints of it, it was still a rare find) user:JayKeaton (I am unable to log in at this time) 202.191.106.90 16:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DVDs back in print

message: What the...?  Does all that belong there?  It tells virtually nothing about the characters, just the actor's responses/abilities/future prospects/etc. Jachra 08:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast Section 

message: I recall an interview with Scott (perhaps the same one from 2000 mentioned in the article), in which he confirmed Deckard's replicant nature, and went on to say that the only audiences who picked up on that in the original cut were those in France. Worth mentioning? I think the article was in SFX magazine. Kelvingreen 23:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the French got it immediately" 

message: I watched Blade Runner for the first time the other day and really enjoied it.  But upon reading the main article and the Themes in Blade Runner article, I fail to see how Rachael falls under the "femme fatale" definiton in any way.  The Themes of Blade Runner article says, "Her ambiguous part-secretary, part-femme fatale character can be read as being objectified."  I don't think she fits the difiniton of femme fatale.  She is not using her female "wiles" to gain an advantage or objective.  Of course, I think most of Blade Runner could "be read" in various ways and most of the analysis I have read about the movie says the movie is this or that without leaving room for interpretation.  S. Randall 22:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A decent point; Blade Runner makes use of the film noir genre without strictly adhering to it. Although Rachael she does not exactly fit into the stereotype; that is her role within the context of the genre. For example she is mysterious, beautiful, seductive and a relationship with her is inherently dangerous. Although it may not have been her conscious intent, she did gain a major advantage in falling in love with the man that was eventually assigned to retire her. The lack of interpretive range is the result of very basic interpretations being selected to go here (main BR article); where there wide acceptance of some basic themes and threads in the film (with the exception of the Deckard debate of course). More ambiguity can be explored in the theme sub-article. - RoyBoy 800 04:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the reply.  Overall, I fell that some of this artcile is just trying too hard to put importance into the movie.  Was it a great movie? Oh yeah!  Does it, "enfold the philosophy of religion of the increasing human mastery of genetic engineering, within the context of classical Greek drama and its notions of hubris — and linguistically, draw on the poetry of William Blake and the Bible?"  I think we might be trying to read more depth into it then might really be there.  The movie is important and groundbreaking without pulling a bunch of ambiguous philosophical and moral implications from the plot.  Also in the same paragraph from my above quote, it says, "Blade Runner also features a chess game based on the famous Immortal Game of 1851. (The king and queen are interposed on Tyrell's side, a position which a grandmaster would never attempt.)"  What does this have to do with themes from the movie?  I think it is very interesting and should be in the article, but not under this topic.  I'm sure everyone will disagree with me, but I just felt I needed to put it out there.  S. Randall 14:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I hadn't realized until now there was a question open. The chess game can be viewed, especially with its title "Immortal Game", as a representation of the replicants (or humanities) struggle for immortality, and in essence challenging Tyrell's (God's) imposed mortality. I've added that to the theme section, so its a good thing you asked the question. - RoyBoy 800 03:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Femme Fatale? 

message: In the Curse section is the following:
* Cuisinart similarly went bankrupt in 1989, though it lives on under new ownership.
There's a Cuisinart in the film?? David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍)
Is it me or did you miss out budweiser? I just saw the video and it seems to me that bud wasn't affected by the curse at all.
:I remember a neon sign showing a Cuisinart during the film.  I'm not exactly sure, but I believe it is seen around the time that Decker is chasing Zhora. The359 07:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuisinart? 

message: Now then. Is it right to take this sentence out from the 'production' section:
"It also sheds light on Scott's directing style, which caused friction with the cast and likely contributed to Harrison Ford's subsequent reluctance to discuss the film.[citation needed]
That is the bit about Ford's reluctance to 'discuss the film'. It's not true. It's a myth! He has talked about the film freely in recent times. From my research, i've included these (key quotes) where relevant in the article and fully cited. This contradicts the above (which is not even cited). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Whataboutbob (talk • contribs).
:Not really. His recent comfort with discussing the film, does not necessarily contradict his reluctance to discuss Blade Runner in the 1980's and 90's. I believe I wrote that original sentence and I'm pretty sure I got it from the BR bible. - RoyBoy 800 17:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone add something specific about how Scott's style aggravated the Hollywood crew/Harrison Ford? From what I know of the production of Alien, Scott was generally liked on that set. - Eyeresist 09:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ford and his silence

message: The current Syopsis reads "Deckard discovers that Tyrell's...young secretary Rachael" 
It is never mentioned during the scene what her role is. All we know about her at that point is that she introduces Deckard to Tyrell and seems to be present on his whim as a test subject.
Later it is revealed that she has been inpmplanted with Tyrell's niece's memories. She therefore probaby thinks at the time of Deckards visit that she IS Tyrell's niece
Does anyone know where this labelling of her as a "secretary" has come from. Is it referred to elsewhere in the movie ? I see nothing in the scene to even suggest it. The way she speaks to Tyrell seems to be one of close aquaintence  rather than the defference of a low grade employee. The way she asks Deckard "do you like OUR owl" sugests that she is high up in the company or looks upon the business assets as personal posessions, suggesting a family link to the Tyrell corp.
I was going to edit this but wanted to make sure i'm not missing some info here.
Harani66 17:13, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think someone inferred it from the tasks she performs. I'll tweak it to assistant. - RoyBoy 800 21:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis - Rachael 

message: I'm new to wikipedia but have reviewed a number of pages before submitting content.
Could someone please explain why my short posting 2007-03-30, concerning Biblical themes found
in the film was reverted immediately without discussion or consensus?
"There are many Biblical themes and symbols throughout the film. Tyrell calls Roy Batty "the Prodigal Son", Roy with a nail pierced hand and white dove in hand, saves Deckard. The kiss of Roy to his creator Tyrell, is reminiscent of Judas' kiss to Jesus. Other noteable scenes include Nuns walking in futuristic LA, a snake, as well as Roy's line when meeting Tyrell, 'It’s not an easy thing to meet your maker.'"
Is my paragraph inaccurate?  Is there a bias against the Bible, God, Jesus, that I should be aware of before posting anything here? 
Concerning Wikipedia disputes, wikipedia says: 
"Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. " —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PrayEveryDay (talk • contribs) 20:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at your edit, the themes seem insignificant in an article of this size. That aside, I imagine the main reason your edit was reverted was because you did not cite your statements, in violation of WP:CITE. Dlong 20:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi -- even though I agree with you that Blade Runner utilizes religious imagery, I believe your edits were rightfully removed. Wikipedia really isn't the place for our personal analysis, criticism, or interpretation of works of art. We strive to attribute all content to verifiable and reliable sources.  We can't confuse our opinions about a subject with facts about the subject.  Since you're new, I definitely recommend familiarizing yourself with all of Wikipedia's policies here. ~CS 21:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: PED -- please Assume Good Faith regarding Ben Bell's removal of your edit.  Throwing around accusations does not conduct a good discussion.  No one doubts that there are nuns walking down the street or that there is a snake in the film -- but your interpretation of these things is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Sometimes a snake is just a snake. If you can cite a source where Scott, Fancher or Peoples talk about the things you list having religious significance in the film, then quoting that source would be appropriate.  And, no, finding any old website that mentions Biblical themes in Blade Runner our sources need to be credible and reliable. Also note that you'll went to avoid synthesis of unrelated sources. ~CS 21:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Perhaps, but I would have removed it since it isn't notable enough to go here. Those themes and ideas can be expanded upon in the sub article Themes_in_Blade_Runner#Christian_symbolism. - RoyBoy 800 21:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's wrong with posting the Biblical Themes found in the Blade Runner film? 

message: Excerpt from:
*[ http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/04/bladerunner-reshoots-yep-for-upcoming.html ]
And here, thanks to somebody who must remain anonymous, are details of what was changed. The shots are for the sequence in which Cassidy's character Zhora is chased through the streets. In the original film, the chase shows Zhora in flat boots but previously we saw her put on heels - the reshoots feature heels; the control wires for the squib that released Zhora's blood was previously visible - not any longer; a wound make-up that was missing in some angles is now in place; Zhora gets a second shot in the chest now, whereas she didn't before; the lighting is much improved; several new angles have been taken and, depending on the edit, the sequence could end up looking rather different overall
Excerpt from Joanna Cassidy's site:
*[ http://www.joannacassidy.com ]
Joanna has just finished re-shooting her scenes from the original BLADE RUNNER movie.  Joanna is wearing her original outfit (which she kept over from the first production).  These new scenes will be part of the upcoming special BLADE RUNNER DVD re-release.  Check back for more details.
--Neilrieck 10:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent information. Could be the start of a new sub-article detailing the changes/innovations of the new edition. - RoyBoy 800 02:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preparations for the 25th Anniverary Release in 2007 

message: This article fails FA criterion #3. There is no proper fair use rationale for any of the non-free images used in this article. Please add  for every non-free image and describe under "Purpose of use" why the images contribute significantly to (a particular section of) this article. If no satisfying rationales are provided, the featured article should be delisted or the images should be removed. – Ilse@ 21:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ratings. Ratings are indiscriminate information. No one has any idea what those letters mean in those other countries except for the people that live in that country. Not only is that only a list that doesn't say anything beyond a letter, but there is no prose information describing what the countries didn't like about the film. That isn't the "R is for extreme violence" description, it's the "China did not like blah blah blah..., because...". Bignole 11:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article fails FA criteria 

message: are you sure about that? (can't remember). by the way how his demiurge could give him absolution? he is not a god since the machine is able to kill him, he is not a priest neither and the machine has no religion. on the other hand about "Rachael [...] begin[s] to fall in love" I'm not sure this emotion suits to a machine. Deckard sure does but Rachael just doesn't know what love is and how to love. He taught her. he tells her what to do, what to tell and how to beheave. so she isn't really in love until she learns from him. I think these two lines in the plot section are (mis)interpretations and not part of the actual drama. Cliché Online 18:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "''demand [...] absolution for his sins''"

message: it should be added as a significant info. by the way, the "director's cut" I have features the "international version"'s violent scenes, why isn'it mentionned in the article. it contradicts thisl ine "interestingly, the cut did not include much of the "extra violence" included in the "International" version of the film." Mine (Director's Cut 2006 remastered PAL Continental Europe) clocks 1h51m. there's probably a slight difference between PAL and NTSC regions length per the 25fps/30fps  different system. Cliché Online 19:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: changed a few things in the versions section. Cliché Online 23:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When the Ultimate Edition comes out, someone will have to put all the correct running times into this article. In the meantime, do not add running times from any PAL version, unless there's a separate section in the article for PAL versions. PAL runs 4% faster than NTSC, which adds up to a significant timing difference for a 2 hour movie. - Eyeresist 10:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: running time for the 7 versions / "extra violence"

message: these new formats will probably see a Final Cut edition in 2007 or 2008. Cliché Online 23:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt you're basing this on anything since the UMD format has been dead for over a year with the only movies coming out for it are nearly all Sony films. It's a given it'll be released for Blu-ray but definitely not UMD. - Throw 09:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: any info about UMD and BD releases?

message: I just saw a pre-order offering at Amazon.com titled "Blade Runner (Five-Disc Ultimate Collector's Edition)" which will be released Dec 18, 2007 just in time for Christmas. Check out the bottom of their page for details about the 5 disks. --Neilrieck 02:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 5 disk set due on December 18, 2007

message: I'm surprised there's been no discussion about the name Deckard - which was clearly a play on Descartes (Rene), the French philosopher most famed for his assertion: cogito ergo sum, I think, therefore I am.
:source? Skomorokh incite 14:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descartes 

message: I saw this car ad, I forget for what car, that was clearly supposed to look like Blade Runner.  Does this mean anything.  The ad aired on G4.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eljawa (talk • contribs) 21:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This ad? - RoyBoy 800 22:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequal/Car ad 

message: Does anyone have any information as to when the Final Cut's theatrical release is due? If so, it should go into the article. dethtoll 22:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  When? 

message: I think there is a mistake in the "cast" paragraph : 
'but still a year before the release of Raiders of the Lost Ark'
I think it's one year before Star Wars episode VI, isn't it? Raiders of the Lost Ark was released in 1981, Blade Runner in 1982 and then Return of the Jedi in 1983.
Nico83 09-12-07 (this my French wiki account, can't bother to create a new one for the English Wiki)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.194.183.254 (talk) 03:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its correct. Keep in mind they were looking for a BR lead in 1980, prior to Raiders release. - RoyBoy 800 23:32, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake? 

message: At Wired.com (here). The third page of the article includes a thorough setting-out of the 'Deckard is a replicant' thesis which, because it comes straight from the horse's mouth, might make a useful quotation. I suspect the link should be included as well, but because this is a featured article I'll leave it to the usual editors to decide.--Major Bonkers (talk) 09:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Scott didn't write the movie, though, did he? Although he'd like us to think he did.  Rick ain't no skin job. 68Kustom (talk) 10:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Interview with Ridley Scott

message: The fact that several of the (real, existing) companies featured in the film subsequently failed could simply be a variation of the Sports Illustrated Cover Jinx. It could be postulated that, statistically speaking, since only highly prominent firms at the height of their success would have been represented in the film, that most of them would subsequently suffer declines after that point, since they were now in the last half of their business arcs. — Loadmaster 16:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that this entire section is speculative, unencyclopædic, borderline absurd, and its one "reference" amounts to little more than the repetition of a rumor on an FAQ.  I think the entire section should be deleted. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 03:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Folklore

message: This, to my eye, is beginning to get a little messy, with editors just sticking stuff in. Would it be worth having subsections such as 
*Music/Dialogue samples (i.e. Goa Mix)
*Musical homages (i.e. Ryuichi Sakamoto, Kim Wilde)
*References in television (i.e. Torchwood, Battlestar Galactica
etc? --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 23:08, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Rodhullandemu (please reply here - contribs) 16:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done, I would say.  Sorry that I did not notice your original message, or I would have said something sooner.  Good cleanup. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 17:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural references section

message: Blade Runner: The Final Cut will not be released in cinemas until Friday 2 October, and the four-disc and five-disc DVD sets will not be released until Tuesday 18 December, so listing the differences between this version and the others absolutely demands a use of the spoiler tag until those changes have become widely known.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.133.107 (talk) 22:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler

message: The main page cites a track from Brian Eno and David Byrne's MY LIFE IN THE BUSH OF GHOSTS sessions as being used over some extended streets shots in The Final Cut.  I see no further proof of this on the web, only folks beginning to repeat the info due to the Wikipedia "fact".  I see no mention of the track's inclusion in the credits nor on IMDb.  And to me, it sounds like more of the Vangelis score...
I think this wikifact is wrong.  But I'm not sure.  Anyone else know what's up?
24.213.164.10 17:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's unsourced, feel free to remove it. It's up to the editor adding it to provide a source. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 18:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eno/Byrne "Qu'ran" rumors??? 

message: "When Batty is being hunted by Deckard at the end of the film, he pushes a nail through his own hand, which again bleeds profusely. "
Does this mean: 
* Deckard pushes a nail through Deckard's hand
* Deckard pushes a nail through Batty's hand
* Batty pushes a nail through Deckard's hand
* Batty pushes a nail through Batty's hand
64.72.137.241 15:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The last one. I thought the sentence construction makes this clear; the subject of the sentence is Batty, which would make the dependent clause refer to him by default. However, I've seen the film and I *know* what it means. Perhaps I'll change it to "At the end of the film, Deckard hunts Batty, who pushes a nail through his own hand, which again bleeds profusely." which makes it crystal clear. I'll do it anyway & see if anyone objects. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 17:30, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The sentence structure didn't make it clear; it only seemed clear to you because, as you said, you knew what you meant. It required too much effort on the reader's part. The way it's written now is the way it should have been all along. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.239.133.107 (talk • contribs)  (08:22, 18 November 2007)
Better still (although it's now been edited out) would have been, "Whilst being hunted by Deckard at the end of the film, Batty pushes a nail through his own hand, which again bleeds profusely."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.173.31 (talk) 14:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad grammar -- pls. clarify 

message: Here a foot note to Blade Runner which has probably been noticed before:
I tell you the first I saw Blade Runner I thought this is very very much like "Belly Rave" in Frederik Pohl and Cyril M. Kornbluth novel Gladiator-At-Law published in 1955! The novel is set in a future decayed urban landscape were people either live well in a GML home (I am not gonna explain all this) or in a vast slum area that is mostly old urban and suburban areas. The setting is New York City and its environs , not LA as in Blade Runner. The details are all different but the texture of a crowded chaotic landscape are there. Also in Blade Runner's milieu are snippets of corporations as the 'hand that rocks the cradle' of this future high tech yet dingy future, that is pure Pohl and Kornbluth, their novels Gladiator-At-Law and the more famous The Space Merchants are rich satires about this. Bits and pieces of Alfred Bester's novels and Phil Dick's shorts stories, other SF writers, all material that appeared the H L Gold edited SF magazine Galaxy (1950-1959) pop up here and there in Blade Runner. Even tho I don't know for sure Moebius must have been influenced the artwork of Ed Emshwiller, and Scott has said he was familiar with these in a vague way, and I know he was interested in making Alfred Bester 's The Stars My Destination and that is explicit! All this fiction that appeared in Galaxy sort of (it really never went away) reappeared again years later with a name Cyberpunk! Cyberpunk writers like William Gibson and Bruce Sterling emphasized their inspiration was this H L Gold orchestrated fiction of the 1950's.
So Blade Runner's verisimilitude in 1982 had its origins in prose SF 30 years before its making.
Aajacksoniv November 24 2007  —Preceding comment was added at 17:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Any other influence has to be cited and not speculated. No A to Bs, please. Alientraveller (talk) 17:26, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOR. Alientraveller (talk) 12:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blade Runner and Galaxy Magazine (1950-1959)

message: Mike Davis discussed the film's dystopian view of Los Angeles in his book Ecology of Fear.  This should be added to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.175.225.22 (talk) 16:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Currently you are the best person to add it. It would likely go in the Blade_Runner#Other section. - RoyBoy 800 23:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blade Runner in Ecology of Fear 

message: Firstly: "Seven different versions of the film exist" ... "A San Diego Sneak Preview shown only once in May 1982, which was identical to the Domestic Cut but with three extra scenes." what evidence is there this cut "exists"?
:The reference is in the article: Sammon, Paul M. (1996). "13", Future Noir: the Making of Blade Runner. London: Orion Media, 370. . - RoyBoy 800 04:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The U.S. version serves as a broadcast version for other countries; its significant because it is a different version of the film. - RoyBoy 800 04:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, and no. The International version was the original theatrical version before being censored to achieve an MPAA R (in the USA). It's wrong to simply assume that the USA's TV cut served as a basis for TV versions internationally - it's entirely possible the film was released to television elsewhere and that cut may have served as the basis for the USA's TV version. In any rate, there is no specific reference given to back up your claim; nor is there any direct evidence that the cut was indeed put together by the proprietors of the movie and not the TV station themselves; which is why I question why it's listed. We don't usually expect to see TV cuts listed as an authoritative different version of a film in a wikipedia article about that film, the same as music that is censored for radio. --210.11.145.137 (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly International broadcasts may use the International version. It is listed because there is a reference, as given above; and on dozens of websites. Who made the cut, at this point, seems irrelevant to me as it is a version that has been widely seen. However, consulting my source it was made by CBS for airing in 1986. - RoyBoy 800 21:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Updated to reflect that information, thank you. - RoyBoy 800 04:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: A detailed listing of the differences is here. - RoyBoy 800 04:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions and 2007 release date 

message: Last night Ridley Scott was interviewed by NPR. His comments can be heard and a fairly detailed synopsis found here; to sum it up, he said his backers had legitimate reasons for forcing the "happy ending" into the release version, and discussed Ford's reasons for disliking the "Deckard is a Replicant" theory while clearly (albeit subtly) refuting it based on the theory directorial control. Even putting aside that he has worked on the film for so long, it's fair to say that as director Mr. Scott's position can be identified as the "official" one. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 10:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good piece, though Ridley made his view clear on Deckard a while back. This along with other relevant views are listed in Themes_in_Blade_Runner#Deckard:_replicant_or_human.3F. - RoyBoy 800 04:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott on the "Replicant controversy"