Talk:Banana Massacre

message: I can't read the Spanish - sorry. Are we basing our accounts of the number of people killed and the reasons the army killed them, on a novel or on eyewitness accounts, or what?
I'm not defending US corporations or their stockholders. "People before profits" is my personal motto. 
But I'm also not willing to assume the worst about American or Central American businessmen, politicians or military leaders. I want facts, not guesses or prejudices. Most of our readers probably do, also.
Let's clear this up, please. --Uncle Ed 02:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use babelfish to translate: http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn  Travb 10:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Truth or fiction

message: Banana Wars: Power, Production, and History in the Americas (American Encounters/Global Interactions) by Steve Striffler on Page 219:  
::"... from the beginning of company operations there calls Tiquisate "the Macondo of Guatemala" in reference to the fictionalized town of Santa Marta, Colombia, immortalized by the writer Gabriel Garda Márquez in One Hundred Years of Solitude. 
:I think the author doesn't know what he is talking about: 
::p 219: the novel, despite its studied lunacy, accurately portrays the historical experience of United Fruit abuses and has reached millions of people
Here is another blatant contradiction, from another author:
Journal of Latin American Studies, Vol. 30, No.2. (May, 1998), pp. 395-414. Fiction as History: The bananeras and Gabriel Garcia Marquez's One Hundred Years of Solitude *:
::There is indeed some naivete in the way Cortes Vargas described his decision in taking such a ruthless step. He did not question his course of action: he received news of the decree conferring on him state of siege powers on the night of 5 December; he prepared the troops to face the crowd; at 1:30 in the morning, after some drum beatings, one of his officers gave the crowd five minutes to leave the plaza; then he ordered' Fuego!'.52 
1:30 in the morning? Didn't it occur in the afternoon? 
Here is another two contradictions: 
The Making of Modern Colombia: A Nation in Spite of Itself by David Bushnell, p 194 
Matters came to a head on December 6, when in the town of Ciénaga soldiers fired into a mass of strikers, killing by official admission some thirteen people. ..
*The town of Cienaga?  why is it called the Santa Marta Massacre?  
*13 dead? when "Fiction as History", which I quoted on the actual page says that the commander who order the killing admitted to killind 47 people.
signed: Travb 10:02, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh?

message: The massacre happened on December 6. The introduction talks about a month long strike, and the first section states that the strike started in December. What gives? peace - קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: also, United Fruit Company#Banana massacre, states that the strike begun on Nov. 12. Unfortunately, this is not cited, so I hesitate to duplicate this information here. קיפודנחש (aka kipod) (talk) 16:58, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  When did the strike begin? 

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message: Hello everyone,
This massacre is back in the news again, at least in Colombia, so I thought it would be a good time to bring this to your attention.
In the introduction, it says the death toll was eighty, but in the section specifically about the death toll, it says it cannot be verified. This seems like a contradiction to me. If the number can't be verified, we shouldn't be able to say it was eighty.
I think both the introduction and the section on the death toll should say it can't be verified.
What do you all think?
Thanks. I hope I'm handling this post correctly...first time.
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