Talk:Abingdon School

message: This section seems a bit pointless as there is no explanation of it or its relevance or notability, perhaps it should be removed.--Hontogaichiban (talk) 13:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tesdale Ushers 

message: I'm halfway through an edit on this page expanding it and have left a flurry of annotations for when I return tomorrow. I'll finish and clean it and perhaps upload some more pictures tomorrow.
I am a current student at the school finishing this year and am glad to see my school mentioned in Wikipedia, so I want to help out. Please help me help you. ThomasWinwood 23:23, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a warning... 

message: I've just started a biographical page for James Cobban, former headmaster of Abingdon.  I've only gotten as far as Cobban's participation in the Second World War, and plan to continue with his career at Abingdon, but I welcome any contributions to the article. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Cobban 

message: In the list of houses, I've reworded slightly, and removed Lower School from the list of houses - certainly, in my time (1991-1997), it was considered more of a year group (like the Upper and Lower Sixth were). Thanks greatly for the excellent start, ThomasWinwood. Do you have access to MStJP's magnum opus, "The Martlet and the Griffen"? If you have been using material from it, a mention of it as a source would be useful --Motmot 12:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do have a copy of "The Martlet and the Griffin", but thus far I haven't referred to it as a source. As for whether the Lower School is a year group or a house, it seems to enjoy dual status - it's a house in interhouse events like  the Public Speaking Competition, but a year group in other matters. It certainly has a housemaster (currently Adam Jenkins; I suppose it was Andrew Broadbent or Russell Slatford in your time, or their predecessors?). Thanks for the thanks. ThomasWinwood 11:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small edits 

message: I added two flags on the page due to missing sources in the extracurricular activities section and the academic section. I wonder if the rowing claim shouldn't be linked to the mention of "A History of Rowing at Abingdon School 1840-1990, R G Mortimer (1990)" in the reference section, but without having seen the book I can't be sure that this is the "documentary evidence" mentioned. As for the mention of the Russian Department, such a claim should be linked to an online copy of the article, or have the name of the newspaper itself included at the very least. I've also placed an "unreferenced" template in the document to raise the profile of the missing sources, and hopefully encourage them to be discovered. Hopefully someone with the material can sort this out!
--Firetrap  (talk • contribs)  01:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation of Sources 

message: I have started a new section called "Abingdon School in the Press". This is intended to source mention the school by the press. Based on the comments above in "Citation of Sources", my addition of the Off-Licence incident has been cited from the national press. I have also moved the entry about the matron incident to this section. Is such a section helpful to the structure of the information? Should it be after the History section, integrated into the history section, or is it better placed towards the end of the school's wikipedia entry?
The aim of this is that any mention of the school by the press is properly sourced and referenced. Unfortunately, on-line newspaper archives around 1995 and previous years are a bit sporadic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Froggit (talk • contribs) 23:19, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The School in the Press 

message: Apparently, there's some controversy at the school about the Japanese band abingdon boys school's use of the school's name.  80.229.152.18 (talk • contribs • WHOIS) has requested that the information about the band be removed from the article; I don't think that's appropriate or necessary, since Wikipedia is not censored, and the fact is of potential interest to readers.  However, if we can find a source for the school's objections, that can be added to the "Trivia" section, to indicate that the school does not approve of the band's use of their name.  Also, if someone can find better citations for the fact that the band is named for the school — although it seems patently obvious, we should have a source if the subject is controversial — please add it.  (The sources I've added aren't quite up to snuff, and should be replaced with more reliable ones.)  Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the band 

message: Apparently, there's some controversy at the school about the Japanese band abingdon boys school's use of the school's name.  80.229.152.18 (talk • contribs • WHOIS) has requested that the information about the band be removed from the article; I don't think that's appropriate or necessary, since Wikipedia is not censored, and the fact is of potential interest to readers.  However, if we can find a source for the school's objections, that can be added to the "Trivia" section, to indicate that the school does not approve of the band's use of their name.  Also, if someone can find better citations for the fact that the band is named for the school — although it seems patently obvious, we should have a source if the subject is controversial — please add it.  (The sources I've added aren't quite up to snuff, and should be replaced with more reliable ones.)  Thanks! —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 18:05, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the school particularly objects as a recent issue of the Abingdonian newletter positively seemed to welcome the fact. Also I doubt there would be a legal argument anyway, not only is the name slightly different, but they are using it to refer to a band, not a school and so the name couldn't be protected by a trademark, not to mention the band is active only in Japan and not the UK where the name means anything. Besides as Japanese rock bands go, they are very far from hardcore.--Hontogaichiban (talk) 13:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the band 

message: The claim about Bishop's Robes was added without a proper reference (although it was placed in front of the Time ref which contained no information about Bishop's Robes) - anyone got a source on this? If not, it'll have to go.  --Firetrap  (talk • contribs)  18:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishop's Robes 

message: I merged Edgar Summers information here -- since that article was deleted by AfD process.  Since it was basically a landslide to delete, I suggest that the other 19th c. headmasters' articles be merged into this section, since they're likely to be deleted and we'd hate to lose this information.  -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headmasters 

message: I've removed this as it is untrue.  Odd that the only "refereence" that someone appears to be able to locate is not available online and the event cannot be proven!  Odd also that the Oxford Mail has no reference to it in the archives!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.109.59.130 (talk) 10:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off licence 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi all, I have just removed a section (for a second time) which contained media trash stories not worthy of mention on Wikipedia. The stories are not notable for an article covering a 750 year history. If all successful achievements of pupils were listed then the article could be 100 pages long so why list negative isolated incidents. The edits are likely to be a grudge based on the fact that an additional article has been created called Abingdon School controversies (which I have added a proposed deletion tag). Racingmanager (talk) 12:15, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Notwithstanding User:Racingmanager's opinion that these facts are trash, they are sufficiently noteworthy to have received coverage in the national and international press. I have restored the link to Abingdon School controversies, consistent with the treatment for Eton College controversies on the Eton College wikipage. I have no grudge against Abingdon School, and invite User:Racingmanager to declare any link with Abingdon School that could constitute WP:COI. Nangaf (talk) 23:50, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I had not seen the Eton College controversies page before and it is as bad as the Abingdon School controversies page, another article that is clearly not the type of article that should be on Wikipedia, I will also add a deletion banner on to that page to gain a consensus.Racingmanager (talk) 22:09, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No strong view on the matter in question, but Racingmanager please stop edit-warring. "Not worthy of mention" and "Clearly not the type of article that should be on Wikipedia" are matters of opinion, not fact, and allegations of bad faith ("likely to be a grudge") aren't helping your case either. Dave.Dunford (talk) 08:48, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I appreciate your comments but is edit-warring applicable to only one of the two parties involved?. The discussion page that I am referring to is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abingdon School controversies and the consensus is clearly going in the direction that it is not suitable for Wikipedia and therefore surely the edit is justified. Racingmanager (talk) 11:20, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO edit-warring starts with the first reversion (which was yours). And that's a rather partial view of the consensus on the Abingdon School controversies article, which seems to be that the information should be merged back into this article (from which you deleted it in the first place). FWIW I don't think that that article needs to exist, but the information is reliably sourced and I can't see any justification for removing it from here other than a hint of WP:UNDUE. If you think it needs to be balanced by facts about the school's achievements, go ahead and write it. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:41, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022 controversy section