Talk:Timișoara

message: I have removed Gheorghe Ciuhandu from the "Famous natives" list because he does not belong there!
I know people like him (I also voted for him the last 2 times) but this still does not make him proper for the list!
Famous is somebody who has has gotten known outside the community that we are talking about. Ciuhandu is known just inside the community and also does not have any historical relevance! If we continue like this, we could directly put 350000 names and that's it! We have all of them!
Nobody wrote about for ex: Florimund_Mercy, and he has been the first Governor of Timisoara (not written in Wikipedia, Yet!) and you can even find him in Encyclopædia Britannica.
Cheers!
SiSoie
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Hey guys, I didn't change any content but there were a ton of English grammar mistakes I tried to clean up.  The article could use some more corrections by a native speaker though.
: ok. Ciuhandu apparently doesn't belong to the list, but we have Zoltan Mesko, a rather obscure US college player. now isn't that great? it's not like he won 3 superbowls in a row or something. why shouldn't we add "Remus Tziganu'" to the list too? after all he has a YouTube video. oh my! Dead-cat (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous natives 

message: Please provide quotations and references. Also please remove POV and don't use loaded terms as "ethnic cleansing" rather please explain what happened. For example, if Germans were forced to leave say "Germans were forced to leave by this ruler and by this law (or agains the law)"  not "Germans were ethnic cleansed" since that introduce ambiguity. For example who forced the Jews, Germans and Hungarians to leave? Where they forced? If the were: how and by whom? Did some of them leave for better life in richer countries? Were they killed or were they forced to leave? See "ethnic cleansing" is not a precise term therefore I don't think it should be used, anyway not without clear explanations and references. AdrianTM 21:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll try to find sources. If I can't find them, then I'll remove the sentences. BTW, don't remove the reference to the atlas, I can scan the page for you if you want. Peace. —Khoikhoi 23:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research in history part 

message: ..was born in Klagenfurt, his father Alfred was born in Timişoara
Ekem 18:25, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Robert Musil ..

message: 7% Hungarians, 2% Germans and 2% Serbs versus 90% Romanian?. I don't think so ... Maybe before 1950-1960, but not anymore. --fz22 14:23, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, statistically it isn't, but the city hall is quite worked up over making sure that the city's heritage is proclaimed as multiethnic rather than as solely Romanian. For this reason, there are quite a lot of minority cultural events, and the city does have a multiethnic feel.  Ronline ✉ 11:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  is a multicultural city? 

message: I am not even Hungarian but feel that it is hugely misrepresentative to show the population statistics the way they are presented on the page.  Temesvar is and always has been a German/Hungarian city, if you want to believe the Dacia Romanian theories you read in your Ceacescu history textbooks fine by me, but don't be afraid to say the city only took on this character after the Romanians ethnically cleansed it and moved in.
:There's a difference between who ruled that part of the contry and who was the majority, read the history, read about Banat on Wikipedia, see older statistics: for example in 1774 there were 2400 Hungarians and Bulgarians in all Banat. That has nothing to do with Ceauşescu who lived 200 years after. Numbers speak. --AdrianTM 06:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cities in Romania often had German majorities because the Germans did not allow Romanians to live in the city proper, Brasov is a case in point. The Hungarians tended to dominate certain industries (though not as much as the Germans). The villages surrounding the cities were mostly ethnic Romanian. Under the communists, people from villages were encouraged to move to the cities as part of 'industrialisation'. This is where the large ethnic Romanian majority comes from, there was no ethnic cleansing. A lot of people in Timisoara are of mixed ancestry and tend not to show up in statistics as being a minority.GordyB 13:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  truth on population statistics 

message: The hatred between romanians and hungarians was huge after 1848. 
Let this page be free of such bullshit.
I removed the info about population statistics. It has no place here, and it is a lie. Plese use as references the archives of the Austrian or Ottoman Empire not hungarian or romanian sources written after 1848. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.24.22.66 (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  population statistics 

message: Is not true that "many ethnic Germans left because of Communist persecution, most going to Germany". Ethnic Germans left TImişoara (and Romania) because in Germany it was a better life, not because they were persecuted. A short period of persecution was only immediatelly after WW2 (when ethnic Germans were considered nazis), but was over when German emigration started. Even in Comunist period, in Timişoara existed German schools, a German theatre, a German daily newspaper (after the fall of Comunism, the daily newspaper disappeared, as consequence of lack of readers and new Capitalist economic laws). --MariusM 10:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that's correct, also I think that most of the history part should be moved to History of Timisoara since this article is mainly about the city not the history. -- AdrianTM 12:12, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I corrected the article.--MariusM 13:48, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persecution of Germans? 

message: Regarding "Zurobara", is this camp really near the location of present-day Timişoara? Because according to this map (pictured), Zurobara appears to be at the location of present-day Hódmezővásárhely. It would be nice if some sources could be provided—this info isn't even at the History of Timişoara article. —Khoikhoi 06:15, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zurobara 

message: i tought the mall in timisoara was the largest in all romania, not just the west..
:I just checked on http://www.iuliusmall.com/timisoara/, it is the biggest in romania.
::Thanks! I'll add that to the article. —Khoikhoi 01:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mall 

message: Timişoara should eventually reach feature article status. In order to do so we must first identify what the article lacks or where its quality should be improved. This should be a collaboration, and any contribution, either from experts in the subject or from laymen is needed and welcome. The Timişoara article from Wikipedia is probably the best source of information about the city found on the net. If it's not then it should be. Currently the Timişoara article is maybe a good article. Our efforts should be targeted onto making it a feature article. I can only hope that this goal will be reached as soon as possible. Tavilis 17:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timişoara - feature article 

message: I've changed the Culture headline to Overview, because I think that article it's more about the city than its culture. I've extended it a bit, but it could be further extended. It would be nice if it were something about the arts and culture of our city (for example bands, artists, theaters, a.s.o.). Somebody could start it, maybe I'll write too of it later on. Till then I'll write about the architecture of the city. --Zsolt Dudás 15:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture to Overview 

message: The article should mention the massive disruptions of service in the public transportation field caused by Ciuhandu's endless "infrastructure renewals" that last years and only finish before local elections. And the abysmal state of the road network. AND the totally absurd one-ways, AND the even more absurd speed-bumps. In fact it shoud say in bold, "transportation (by any means) in timisoara SUCKS!". In an NPOV and objective way, of course. A little brown amongst all those shades of pink to reflect the situation in the field. --Tase 16:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, agreed... but i'm not sure if there's a way to express that in a NPOV way... anyways, i just added a pic of a tram. :D Just to give an idea of what it looks like. --AlexDuarte (talk) 11:02, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport 

message: You said that the data is relevant about the ethnicity of the region - yes but not the given town in 1910. This is relevant data when speaking about the population of the Banat or Temes county but why we should mention in the Temesvár article what kind of people lived Vrsec or Lippa or any other settlement kilometres away from the given town????
And the Central District wasn't the municipal area of Temesvár, it was an administrative unit with 20 independent villages. The town wasn't even part of it. Zello 22:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't, but it is now, right? Then it's part of the history, you can't exclude that on the basis that it wasn't part of the municipal are at that time (if I got this right). -- AdrianTM 23:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Even so, see what comments this demographic issue can provoke: Talk:Timişoara#truth on population statistics this is a very relevant issue in the context of demographic evolution of the city. -- AdrianTM 23:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Should? If you were a German and make $100 per month working hard in Romania and you can go in Germany where only the unemployment benefit is... I don't know... $1000 (don't actually know the number, but you get my idea), what would you do? It's a sad situation but hardly "ethnic cleansing". -- AdrianTM 15:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yet it's interesting that the Germans left even though I didn't hear of many tensions (if any) between Germans and Romanians while the majority of Hungarians remained (or less have left) even though it was much less distance to travel to Hungary than for Germans to move to Germany, that alone and it's pretty telling. But, as you said, it's kind of irrelevant in our discussion, I do think that it's relevant to keep the info about at least about municipal area, I wasn't the one who added and I think the person who added made the same point. I'm not sure about Sydney though ;-)  -- AdrianTM 21:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: "A whole people didn't go away only for money in a few decades without pressures." -- you also forget that at that time even Romanians were fleeing the country even risking to be shot at the border, if they could more than 80% would have left the country, Germans were the people who could leave, they didn't need any special encouragement. -- AdrianTM 21:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That sounds reasonable then... leave Központi járás out, keep municipal area in.  -- AdrianTM 22:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  District, county 

message: Is Zrenjanin, Serbia, twin town of Timisoara, Because link to official web site of Timisoara can be found at official web site of Zrenjanin? Alexzr88 17:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twin cities 

message: Near the Romanian city of Timisoara a 3000 year old settlement with defences has been found. The complex covers 2000 hectare and archaeologists think it's the biggest excavation site of Europe.
Not only the size of the find is striking, but also the quality. The settelment is completely intact. The researchers don't have any idea of who the builders of the fort might be yet.
The discovery has been made using satellite imagery and Google Earth. For more investigation a lot of money is necessary, according to the researchers. The help of Unesco has already been enlisted for this.
3000 jaar oude vesting ontdekt NOS, 20 februari 2008
Shinobu (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just in: 3000 year old fort found 

message: The city is spelled Timișoara, not Timişoara. ş is a turkish letter. ș is the correct romanian letter. There is no "cedilla" on Romanian letters. I don't know how to change the title but someone should fix it - HUGE mistake.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.97.102 (talk) 07:56, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page and updated the redirects, but the links I left with the cedilla under the s, since those pages will have to be moved first, and then the links can be changed. --Robert.Allen (talk) 03:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, it's not a "huge mistake", it's not even an official mistake - it merely parts with the strict (and one would say myopic) guideline imposed by the Romanian Academy, which virtually no one else - and this includes academic publishers, widely circulated media etc - uses. We've been sticking with this spelling for practical and logical reasons, here and everywhere else over several wikipedia projects, from day one (meaning that it was here way before me). Changing this rule of thumb would have to be a consistent global effort, not just "I changed it in a couple of articles, now you do the rest" - something which would have to be applied in every random combination of letters identified as a Romanian (not Turkish) transcription, and which by now looks borderline unfeasible. Feasible or not, it is entirely unnecessary. Dahn (talk) 08:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Alas, WikiProject Romania is me and a mop, and I'm not even the one who created it :). A lot of things happened since it was started, and there's little holding it together, but I'm hoping it will reemerge from its ashes at some point in the future. Plus, it was never really the venue for global discussions - that used to be the notice board, but even that is pretty dead. The reason behind that is that so many Romanian editors are gripped by a sort of "suicide epidemic" - they decide they want to become trolls, vandals and POV edit warriors, and the natural way for them is out the door. The rest of us manage as we can, so it was never an issue of things needing to be advertised. Dahn (talk) 09:26, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should be giving Romanian alphabet lessons in an English article. I think it should be Timisoara with no modifiers. I realize that we have other articles with cedillas, omlauts, and Lord knows what else, but basically we should be using the English version of the Roman alphabet in all articles. I may even be able to find a reference someplace, if pressed.  :) Student7 (talk) 19:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow, huge mistake. 

message: in photo section is picture of The Serbian Church. it's not a church, it is a cathedral. саборна црква means cathedral.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.175.118.173 (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  serbian cathedral 

message: ? In romanian is right Timișoara  Szajci pošta 07:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timișoara or Timişoara 

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message: modern wiki pages have Other names section
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thread_title:  other names 

message: Wiki rules ask the presence of other names section for more than 2 names
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replies: text: 'Wiki rules' are clear on  sock puppetry. RashersTierney (talk) 00:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  other names 

message: Well, a sockmaster is back (this time using open proxies). We can again have discussion on the different suggestions of Wikipedia on alternative/historical geographical names, etc. The option of moving them into a separate section is just one of the options, a possibility. The main guideline actually supports the original lead, which contains the other name variants. Please, read this again (quote from the second point of the guideline):
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Please, also observe how many alternative variants are displayed. Four, yet, this is in the main guideline (and the cherry-picked version is in the last section of this point which discusses an alternative possibility). Moreover, the original lead is in line with the convention and consensus of similar articles. It was a stable variant for a long time, it should only be changed based on a consensus. Cheers, KœrteFa {ταλκ} 12:35, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of the City 

message: In December 1989, Timișoara witnessed a series of mass street protests by Romanians, Hungarians and Serbs. I removed the bolded part, cause it looks POV. What's the source for this? Why are Germans and Roma people (other important ethnicities in the city) missing? 86.126.32.82 (talk) 10:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationalities protesting in 1989 

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message: this section should only include notable entities, otherwise it's WP:NOTDIR. LibStar (talk) 07:21, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture and contemporary life

message: Timisoara is also the oldest IT centre of Romania, with a bit of tradition (the first computer was built here in 1961, being the second computer built in Romania), thousands of programmers were working in Timisoara before an IT industry even started to take shape elsewhere in Romania, after 1989, and it still employs a large number of programmers, even if Bucharest and Cluj have also caught up. Still, thousands of programmers work for global companies such as Continental, Nokia, Microsoft, IBM, Accenture and others out of the offices of those companies in Timisoara, and many more work for small, anonymous software boutiques or startups. Also, several successful Romanian startups originated in Timisoara - such as Symme3D, who set out to build 3D printers for human organs, Movidius, who created a very performant AI chip and was bought by Intel, and then some more. A European player in the field of fleet monitoring - safefleet - also originated and has its headquarter in Timisoara.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F09:31E0:63:54C1:23B5:EEC6:BD08 (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy addition IMO necessary

message: Do you agree that Timișoara was under the Ottoman Empire and then Habsburg/Austria from 1552 to 1867? And then under Austro-Hungary 1867–1918? Because if you agree, then you can't say the town was under Hungary until 1918. Britannica says this, and Wikipedia doesn't. Hungary led it until 1529, but after only in 1867–1918. Regards, Christina Christina (talk) 15:43, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be more specific via some universal sources, please? If Hungary had any influence between 1552-1867? Christina (talk) 15:46, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Habsburg/Austria from 1552 to 1867" -> disagree, because it is false. Britannica is not the best source sometimes. I strongly recommend you to analyze the Siege of Temeşvar (1716) article for the complex situation. Nevertheless, when it became part of the Kingdom of Hungary again, Habsburg rule meant mainly the Habsburg King of Hungary, not Austria, thus saying it was under Hungary is fair, because Kingdom of Hungary was a separate state as well during the times of the Austrian Empire and Austria-Hungary.(KIENGIR (talk) 15:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, so from Hațegan and Preyer (according to them). Good. Fortress and city. It was not very accurate. I can understand both were still involved. You are still fair, because you mention that it was a Habsburg rule. Regards, Christina (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

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message: There is no need, in an English language encyclopedia, to have the names and pronunciations of the city in numerous different languages. The articles for London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow etc. do not begin with a list of foreign language names and pronunciations, and there is no need here. It is not helpful to the reader to have to wade through such names before reading what the article subject actually is. Any historical use of different names can be handled in the main text. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: London, Paris, Berlin and Moscow has not been belonged for more hundred years ot outher countries and cultures, however, in Central and Eastern Europe, massive changes have been not just in the past century, but in the last millenia. We list only the most relevant names on other languages, that are unalienbly attached to the city, it's history and culture, that is a common in those articles where these circumstances hold, per a longstanding practice (more thousand articles, etc.) Cities located in the Banat are very important for Germans, Hungarians, Romanians, Slavs and as well the Ottoman Empire shared as well it's history. But I'll againtry to satisfy you, thus I remove the two older version of the German names, not to have multiple formulas fo each; shortening again.(KIENGIR (talk) 21:10, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The article currently has twelve different versions of the name (UK, US, Romanian, German, Hungarian, Yiddish, Romanised Yiddish, Serbian, Romanised Serbian, Banat Bulgarian, Turkish, and Slovak) before readers are eventually told what Timișoara is ("...the capital city of Timiș County, the 3rd largest city in Romania"). Apart from the Romanian and UK/US versions, all the others can be dealt with in the main text, in the history of the city, if they are sufficiently important enough. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:08, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then you should accept the following, generally in Romania-related articles - as depending on the context - mostly German and Hungarian alternatives are relevant. Moving the Yiddish, Romanised Yiddish, Serbian, Romanised Serbian, Banat Bulgarian, and Slovak down may be negotiated, but Turkish should remain by the arguments mentioned before.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:06, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names in other languages 

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