Talk:Tallit

message: 164.83.229.20, why did you take out the qualification about some Ashkenazi groups wearing talitot from 13?MOE37x3 18:22, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: The two Hebrew words in parentheses, given with different transliterations, are in fact the same word, vowel points and all.Benami 08:38, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: fixz0r3d!  Tomertalk 05:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew  

message: The material given here is interesting, but no sources are cited. The author who has contributed here writes a bit too informally and in too personal a style for an encyclopedia, with sentences like, "There is much confusion among the masses."   Would someone care to rewrite?  Could the author provide some sources, beyond biblical references.   --Metzenberg 11:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Section 

message: Section doesn't seem to have anything to do with the status of the tallit (by either gender) in Reform Judaism. Section seems to be solely about the Women of the Wall (presented in a non-NPOV way) What does this specific group have to do with the general subject Tallit, or Tallit within Reform Judaism. If the section is relevant it's not current -- the Israeli Supreme Court issued a ruling.
--as I do attend a Reform Temple, I can say that the men do wear Tallitot today, they may not always have in the movement today tradition is making a fervent comeback withing messianic Judaism, from JEWISH LIVING URJ PRESS --Teacherbrock (talk) 07:14, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reform Judaism 

message: is there a halachik diferance between wool and cotton? if someone can put it up (with all opinions) it would be great
:1st, remember to sign all comments with 4~. 2nd, the difference is that, by halachoh, only wool and linen garments need to have Tzitzis. See The Alter Rebbe's siddur. Thats why, to be mehader the mitzvoh, you should wear wool or linen tzitzis and tallis.  Shaul avrom 19:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any other sources for this? (I don’t have that siddur and cannot access it from this part of Norway.) It is clearly not the general understanding of the miṣvá... -- Olve 15:39, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy cow! Isn't it good women don't wear a tallis. Otherwise they might have to undress in public and run naked through the marketplace yelling gevalddddd.--Gilabrand 19:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the diferance between wool and cotton 

message: The following paragraph was added by an anonymous editor:
 The core of the issue is what the tallit and tzitzit symbolize. Tzitzit were commanded
 to be tied to the corners of the four-cornered garment worn by men. The four-cornered
 garment is the tallit. The tzitzit were to be a reminder of The Almighty's covenant with
 His people (remember, the covenant is with the circumcised, and the circumcised extend it
 to their wives and children). With the covenant comes protection. During the Birkat
 HaKohanim (Blessing from the Priests of The Temple, or in modern times a rabbi), it is
 customary for the husband/father to extend his tallit, and thus the covenant and protection
 to his wife and children, symbolizing his accountability for how he teaches his family.
 This accountability is because of the events in Bereishit (Genesis) chapter three. One
 mitzvah (commandment) is for men and women to abstain from wearing what pertains to the
 opposite gender. There is no scriptural reference of a woman wearing a four-cornered
 garment, or a woman undergoing B'rit Milah.
I don't understand this paragraph: how can women undergo b'rit milah in the traditionally accepted sense of that term, for instance? Any clarification would be welcome. For now, though, I have removed this paragraph from the article so that we can work on it here, if we so desire. I believe this is the best way of keeping the article encyclopedic and relatively controversy-free. --Makaristos 22:23, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  paragraph about women and circumcision 

message: If someone who knows the halakhoth, that would make an excellent addition to this article... Tomertalk 15:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halakhoth for creation of taleth 

message: This section states that traditionally all Jews are buried in tallitot. Traditionally, isn't it just Jewish men who are buried in a tallit? Are some women buried in them now?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deutne (talk • contribs) 23:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know it is still only men. If anybody knows of a practise otherwise, please speak out. Debresser (talk) 22:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burial section applies to all?? 

message: Why does "prayer shawl" redirect to this page? While a tallit is a prayer shawl of course, not all prayer shawls are tallits. 
My ladies knitting group makes prayer shawls as gifts, and not one of us, nor the gift receivers are of the Jewish faith. (no prejudice intended or inferred please, merely an observation)
Catholics, Greek Orthodox and others use prayer shawls. 
So, why the redirect?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tristara (talk • contribs) 08:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Methodists use them too. It is not just a Jewish thing. Tarheelz123 (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prayer Shawl redirect 

message: I was surprised to read that sephardi Jews wear a tallit during mincha or ma'ariv. As far as I know, a tallit is worn during shacharit and
# by the shaliach tzibur during mincha and ma'ariv, not only with Sephardi Jews but by Ashkenazi Jews as well;
# by mekubalim when they pray mincha in tefillin (like Rabeinu Tam or Shimusha Rabba);
# during ma'ariv on Yom Kippur by all.
Debresser (talk) 22:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various prayers 

message: Merge as Talis bag is not notable enough for a separate page. Chesdovi (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Talis bag]] 

message: According to this source, tallits are considered as talismans by some jews. Is this correct? Does anyone have access to further/better sources? Wiki-uk (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not aware of a tallit being considered a talisman. The reasoning brought in that source seems dubious, and in any case is invalid for most countries, where the word "talisman" doesn't exist. Debresser (talk) 20:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tallit as talisman? 

message: Women of the Wall have been working for the right to wear tallit at the Western Wall for over 25 years. This is not a new topic, but is one that has been underway for literally decades. It is making international news---check the New York Times, and is covered in virtually all Jewish news outlets. When someone can be arrested for wearing the item of clothing talked about here, it deserves mention. There is also no question about the sides in the argument. Rabbi of the Western Wall is clear he doesn't want women to wear tallit, while Reform and Conservative Jews, as well as some Orthodox women (see the "original women of the wall" ) believe it should be allowed. If you want to show that there are different points of view about women wearing tallit at the Wall, feel free to find different wording that I have, but let's be clear that this is an on-going and not easily resolved issue, and that there are different perspectives on it. But don't remove it just because it's a topic you don't like. VanEman (talk) 00:58, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: IT's irrelevant if I like it or not, the article already mentions the view on women and tallis, and you already inserted your own POV. This is not your chance to put in Anat Hoffman every chance you get. This is an encyclopedia. We don't really care about one person, she is not notable and neither is the female rabbi. Look at the rest of the article. Do we have other POV about men wearing a tallis? You have been warned several time already by Debresser and you need to stop inserting POV. Sir Joseph (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tallit worn by Women at Western Wall and related controversy 

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message: I see that this has already been somewhat discussed above. But to include a link to the Women of the Wall article in the "See also" section is not something completely off-the-wall (no pun intended) here, since in the very first sentence of the lead of that article it is stated that:
:"...in a fashion that includes singing, reading aloud from the Torah and wearing religious garments (tallit, tefillin and kippah)."
Alternatively, a link could also be put in the "women" section of the article that is right above the "See also" section, at the bottom of the article. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 18:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: While tallit may be one of the things Women of the Wall would like, that doesn't make this a particularly significant topic for this article, nor even for Women of the Wall. Women of the Wall want the right to hold non-Orthodox services at the Wall; wearing a tallit is just one small facet of that. The issue of women wearing a tallit etc. is a much broader issue, and Women of the Wall are just one group. Jayjg (talk) 19:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not believe we have to get into a whole debate on how important the tallit issue is for Women of the Wall, and I am really not interested is such a debate. I tried to add a link as a Note in the specifc "Women" section of the article, and I hope this compromise should finish the debate here for now? Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 19:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that works. Jayjg (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Jayjg. Be well! warshy (¥¥) 19:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "See also" section 

message: , shalom. I noticed where you were taken aback by the way some of our Wikipedia pages are written in such a way as to place a transliterated foreign word before its actual English meaning. My humble view on this matter is that it depends on what the article actually treats about. In Sefer Torah it seems relatively alright to place the English meaning before its Hebrew transliteration, but I must say that this is not always the case. Take, for example, other foreign words used now in English: Hamantash, or Shofar, or Za'atar, or Genmaicha, or Onsen, or Wampum, or Sushi, or Minyan, or Perestroika, among an endless host of other foreign loan-words whose names are known as such by most English speakers. Tallit may, in fact, fall into this same category. Of course, an explanation is almost always given in ordinary English which explains the meanings of these foreign words.Davidbena (talk) 12:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the edit to the article before I saw this discussion, and reverted it. I explained my reason in the edit summary, and it is identical with what Davidbena says here. Debresser (talk) 19:20, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Debresser.-- Davidbena (talk) 20:16, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Wikipedia