Talk:Space music

message: :An IP added the "transportive" word in place of ellipses alluding to the adjacent text paragraph. Seems reasonable.
:IIRC, this subjective sensations issue has been previously referenced as objective. But, HoS source status may have to be re-decided first.
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Further comments

message: :This issue has been ground to a fine powder in the archives. You would know that powder is explosive if you had read the archives as I requested, instead of having merely "viewed" them. Whatever, nothing new on this issue can be decided until the source status of Hearts of Space is re-decided.
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Further comments

message: :Since you have only "viewed" rather than read the archives as I requested, you don't know anything about the source status debates that led to the way HoS is used as a source. You've completely missed major sourcing policies on which use of HoS is based. It's bit like claiming that because Microsoft sells commercial software, Microsoft references must be confined to a single article. Anyway, nothing can be done until HoS's source status is re-decided.
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Further comments

message: :Nothing more can be done about these controversial issues since they depend on HoS's source status being re-decided.
:New Age music is generally agreed to be a music business classification which includes Space music, but as the article says there is little agreement about it as a genre classification for space music, a point proved by the detailed survey of sources.
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Further comments

message: :There's no point in researching, debating, and editing this point until HoS's source status has been decided.
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: :This is one of many kinds of "source-based research" required to write an article. Wikipedia editors did this exacting survey of sources referenced on this page to fulfill Wikipedia's function of "describing a controversy".
:There is a lengthy archive discussion on this issue, which you would have known if you had read them as I requested, rather than just "viewed" them. Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The statements in question are a synthesis of the opinions expressed in an arbitrary number of sources, and thus constitute original research. They are also self-referential. They should properly be replaced with a simple verfiable statement - something more along the lines of "Space music is most often identified as being either a type of, or stylistically related to New Age music." --Gene_poole (talk) 08:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: :Nothing about this issue can be decided until HoS source status is re-decided. 
:See below, #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: Hill's partner and co-founder of "Music from the Hearts of Space" Anna Turner (1944-1996) wrote in her 1989 essay entitled Space Music, that "New Age Space music carries visions in its notes; it is transcendent inner and outer space music that opens, allows and creates space...  this music speaks to our present moment, to the great allegory of moving out beyond our boundaries into space, and reflexively, to the unprecedented adventures of the psyche that await within.""New Age Space music carries visions in its notes; it is transcendent inner and outer space music that opens, allows and creates space...  Space music moves; the balance between the rhythm track and melody line determines a great deal of the imagery, altitude, and impact of a particular piece... At its best and most essential, this music speaks to our present moment, to the great allegory of moving out beyond our boundaries into space, and reflexively, to the unprecedented adventures of the psyche that await within."  Space Music, by Anna Turner, co-founder of Music from the Hearts of Space, page 134, The New Age Music Guide, P.J.Birosik, 1989 Macmillon Publishing Company, New York
This is usable, it appears to be a verifiable secondary source. I would like to check this over to see exactly what she is discussing because it seems to relate specifically to a type of New Age music; which fits with Lanza's view of space-music (as defined here) as a strain of New Age music with its origins in easy listening. Semitransgenic (talk) 20:10, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definitions: Paragraph Four 

message: You can add more sections here if you wish, but you state that you are short of time. You've made your HoS sourcing point for further discussion below. I think you will be wasting the time of all of us if you post any more references that depend on HoS's source status. This is not the simple issue that you have claimed. Depending on the several ways that status could be re-decided, you may have to reevaluate everything you have so far vetted. Milo 21:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: Personally, considering that this has demonstrated itself to be a contentious issue, I think it would be best if it is discussed at WP:RSN, so community input can be availed of. Milo, are you happy to proceed with this proposal? Semitransgenic (talk) 21:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me. --Gene_poole (talk) 00:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The question is not whether Stephen Hill is a reliable source - but whether it's appropriate for the HOS website to be the primary source for this article. The HOS website is a reliable primary source for Hearts of Space. Here, however is a totally different story, because "space music" and "Hearts of Space" are not synonymous. --Gene_poole (talk) 08:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I love Stephen Hill, but I think the fact that he is the  only source quoted in the top four or five paragraphs undermines the entry's legitimacy. Other sources are cited further down, which is great; I feel right away quite strongly that it's all Hill at the top. Also, "deep listening" is Hill's term not a general one (if it is it should link to a Wiki page) and should be handled as such. 78.100.132.186 (talk) 20:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion: The source status of ''Hearts of Space''

message: Since the preliminary discussions and position statements seem to have concluded, I agree with the request at #Discussion: The source status of Hearts of Space about the need for a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Music genre cofounder and website. 
I said I was wasn't sure I understood the position that I described as the reason for making the posting, but other editors here will be able to clarify it. Milo 16:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources Noticeboard posting 

message: In the film Martian Child, I'm pretty sure space music was used. I could be wrong; can anyone confirm and add to the list? —C Teng(talk) 16:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martian Child 

message: Um.. Try these "special" TAGS.. for an amzingly fanstastical result.
Ethereal Surreal Gothic Analogue Floating Surround Sound Echoes
One video -- on youtube.. (can be accessed directly via those tags):
One -- of many videos there.. on a particular youtube ch.. 
(&) 
OMG -- it's mine: 
?http(colon)//www(DOHT)youtube(DOHT)com/watch?v=z7_vwfkifW
Just done- by using a 1965 "OLD SKOOL" .. analogue remastering technique.?
Perfected.. as it always has been done.. via the oldest of OLD "methods".
(inside, through, across & of - a simple 2ch "analogue" tape Re-recording).
Thus.. maybe -?- 
When someone .. doesn't quite understand "the spaciousness.. 
(of multiple ch analogue surround sound)
They write of "space-age" gothic  music .. in ONLY the mdern conceptys of this effect.
One - would.. thus have (then) incorrectly assumed
That .. SPACE "age" music.. is to be ONLY "found" be of an electronic adaptation
(in a fully digital "electronic" format).
Whereas - the reverse (& literally -YES- in REVERSE too) .. "is" the truer form.
QUIX4U (talk) 04:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Space_Music.! New age.? Or.. maybe not -- as it can even be "old"age style of analogue" via a specific type of remastering technique. 

message: Yes:
OUND .. actually does EXIST in space.. Deep fringe areads.. of the furthermost parsts.. of the outer comos.. "all" have sound.
Sound .. is that which is "created" by the shock waves.. arising between the infinitesimally smallest particles.. rubbing against any other..
AND.. to exist in deep space.. where there is "next to NO -- humanly usable atmosphere..
The "sound" must therefore BE -- at a significantly HIGHER position .. on the full electomechanical SOUND "frequency' spectrum .. than our earthly (heavy atmosphirically unbalanced ears) could ever hope to attain..
Which is exactly WHY -- we have eyes.
THAT is the EASILY NOW HEARD "frequency" of SPACE NOISE.
LIGHT WAVES .. are just a much higher "frequency" rate of noise .. thatn low frequency .. human capable "accoustical sound .. we use -- through heavy thickened air.
Which- is EXACTLY what out creator told moses..
HE /she (THEY .. would communicate .. across timel;ess space.
as they have always done.
I WILL SHINE A LIGHT.
It -- thus .. is simply the hmanoids responsibility.. to 'build" a receiver .. which decompiles the "highest light frequencies.. into HUMAN AUDIBLE SOUNDS.
Otherwise.. why on earth & in heaven .. would WE -- as Humans .. be able to "communicate" with other humans .. ON ANOTHER TERRESTRIAL BODY..
Via "sound" waves.. (Radio frequency waves.. that Neil Armstrong spoke to "houston" within)
Sound.. has always existed in SPACE..!
It's just that daft humans .. haven't opened their minds.. to the full nuances.. of true accoustical sound pressure WAVE FORMS.. across the entire electromechanical spectrum.
LIGHT-- is that sound evergy -- which easily penetrates deep space.
Whereas .. lowest "reverb BASS tones.. tansmit themselves through solid walls .. where LIGHT cannot "travel".
BUT -- sound .. in all of it's full electromechanical sense.. EXISTS -
In or Out of "space" - period.
QUIX4U (talk) 05:42, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So... light is sound? Get mainstream physicists to publish that little tidbit before adding it to any articles, ok? LadyofShalott 03:27, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: In the further notes section .. there is mention .. that there IS NO sound .. in space.! (RUBBISH) ..It has always been there..  

message: Would you consider music from the game SkyRoads to be spacecore? I really get the feeling of being in deep dark space when I play the game...mainly due to the music. 101.212.66.141 (talk) 11:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  References or lack of them thereof aside... 

message: Seems like Richard Wright should be mentioned somewhere in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.47.189.1 (talk) 16:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Props 4 Floyd 

message: I have added Template:Infobox music genre to this article. I have populated it with info from this article. Feel free to edit it for accuracy and to expand it with any other relevant info you may have. --Devin Murphy (talk) 19:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox music genre

message: Pages like this really do a good job of reminding me how important it is to chill out. Because at the end of the day - you cannot fight back against this kind of stupid.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.224.75.67 (talk) 23:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much like the feelings the music inspires.... 

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message: Love how Japan is included in the origin category while other countries are just ignored althogether despite mentioning in the article pioneers of different nationalities.
If three czech pioneers do a novel thing, they are not mentioned, if a japanese does a thing even if it's later, it's mentioned and put in the "most influencial person of the century".
English Wikipedia to me has some sort of japan bias, it's everywhere here. You can check for example how ignored a lot of countries are and focus on a bipolar Japanese-American world in most articles. 
I guess it's normal when a big percentage of people in the english speaking world are attracted to Japan, if they are not straight up orientalists but come on.
I might sound like I have some sort of anti-japanese agenda here but I'm honestly just irritated by the rampant bias towards some countries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mirad1000 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japan, Japan, Japan!!!