Talk:Norns

message: I am not sure that the Norse believed that everything is predestined.  I would note that Urdh is the norn most often associated with fate and her name seems to derive from the root meaning "that which has turned."  This would make the Norns manifestations of cause and effect rather than predestination per se.  Note too that Urdh's Old English cognate, Wyrd, is closely associated with fate in many poems, none the least of which is "The Wanderer."  Certainly at a certain point, events become unavoidable, but I don't thinl that the Norse believed the world was sufficiently mechanical for that to lead to predestination.
--Einhverfr 02:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From a religious stand point, the Norns didn't really control fate, in the sence that they determined every action a person or Asa takes. While the lengths of our lives are commonly held to be fated, the actions we take are not. EX: If I were to die in a car crash tomorrow there is nothing to be done about it, but the fact I am writing this comment is not an action that is fated to happen. It is believed that our lives are half fated. When we are born and when we die, but not what we do in between those two points. It is also argued whether or not how we die is fated and that while our string might run out, our own free will will dictate exatly how we die. Such as, if I were to die at 12 noon tomorrow, it might not be because of the car crash, since I might not be in a street or near a moving vehicle, but perhaps I might be shot or stumble and crack my skull open. The point being that my timer has run out and I have to die some how. This is all purely from a religious stand point and cannot be verified as factual, but I figured that this particular view would be necessary to better understand the Norns.--Scottish norseman 09:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Norse beliefs

message: Too bad that this picture is copyrighted. It gives a freshness and an interesting new perspective on the norns.--Berig 20:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That link is no longer active, but you can see the image via the WayBack Machine (at Ar hive.org). TrilliumLady (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Good picture

message: There are 5 footnotes in 5 consecutive sentences-- all pointing to the same reference. WTF? That's insane.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.164.61.166 (talk) 23:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: There is no mention of the three witches from Macbeth even though the plays' character list links here links here, I do believe that this should be fixed post haste. --66.103.50.157 (talk) 14:01, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a separate article should be made. I've come across enough information in my Shakespeare research about his three witches to create a pretty good sized article. Wrad (talk) 17:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macbeth 

message: I add this new paragraph "See also" because a famous comic Oh My Goddess! is based on this mythology‎.--Pierce (talk) 18:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New paragraph 

message: Why is Snorri the first author cited?  His stuff about the Norns tends to be an outlying data point - he dos not use disir at all, but instead uses norns in places that prior authors use disir.  
I can see I am going to have to dig into the books again.  
-- RavanAsteris (talk) 03:27, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ooof! 

message: The page should be moved back to Norns. Norns are plural the ideas mentioned byt the moving editor "about those who are one" are unsourced and standard terminology is to use the plural in both english (norns) and old norse (nornir). ·Maunus·ƛ· 14:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: #Macbeth above is four years old.
Having visited Wyrd, Wyrd Sisters (1988 novel), Wyrd Sisters (band), Weird Sisters (Shakespeare), it seems me that "See also" might usefully direct to both Wyrd and Weird sisters whereas the parenthetical comment (Anglo-Saxon Fates or prophetesses) alludes to Wyrd Sisters. --P64 (talk) 21:55, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Macbeth continued 

message: Why does it say the plural is nornir, but then the page refers to them has norns several times
69.91.177.9 (talk) 18:32, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nornir 

message: I'm not sure why the Popular Culture section had, as one of its subsections, "The Games", instead of the much more standard "Video Games" (unless it was some troll doing a "HURR YOU LOST THE GAME" thing). Anyway, I've changed that. I've also added the original Guild Wars to the list of games, as simply listing gw2 would imply that the Norn were not present in gw1. 64.134.101.238 (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: The intro says:
[...]
Norns within skaldic references are often seen as negative beings that are mostly associated with transitional situations such as violent death and battle. In Egil's Saga [long description of events which don't involve Norns] so Bek-Pedersen suggests that since Óðinn has caused the death then the norn has caused the emotional turmoil.[5] [...]
I'd like to rewrite it, but I have no idea what it's trying to say.
If Norns are "mostly associated with transitional situations", there should be
better examples than one author reading between the lines(?) in Egil's Saga.
Damaged by editing, perhaps?
JöG (talk) 06:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of the intro doesn't make sense 

message: Right now we have valkyrie and dís in the singular. When attempting to move the page to "norn", I see that back in 2010 another user reverted such a move that had been standing since 2007 with the following reasoning: "the three are indivisible, Norns is a misnomer and in English it is most appropriately rendered Norn which includes the triune". This isn't correct. There are far more norns than just the three, as the article—as bad as it currently is—makes clear. I see no reason for this article to be in the plural rather than the singular. Would someone please move this article back to the singular? :bloodofox: (talk) 23:35, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move from "Norns" to "Norn" 

message: This article is not B-class, unless the meaning of this grade has degraded to the point of being meaningless. Key aspects of this article are based on too few, and far too dated sources. Other aspects are completely unsourced. In any schloarly-minded system, or academic context, this article would not be given a passing grade.  98.228.192.239 (talk) 02:32, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the vast majority of interpretative statements in the Poetic Edda section are unsourced—with the density of citations in this section simply being repeated citation of primary and translated original documents—is particularly galling, and a testimony to its affront to Wikipedia's standard/policy, not to give credence to material that isn't sourced. 98.228.192.239 (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grade inflation 

message: "These three Norns are described as powerful maiden giantesses (Jotuns) whose arrival from Jötunheimr ended the golden age of the gods."  I have never seen this particular discription before, is there a source for this? I don't speak swedish so I can't be certain but the next source seems to not refer to this particular notion. 87.211.80.39 (talk) 14:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for this? 

message: no search in page in Wikipedia app. so I have to use the browser 2601:200:C000:B8C5:9C71:9983:854B:959B (talk) 01:07, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  no search in page in Wikipedia app