Talk:TDI Vector

message: Further to the infobox are we sure the place of origin is not Washington, DC ?? Transformational Defense Industries is in Washington not Nyon. PianoKeys 15:18, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The country of origin is Switzerland.  Look it up.--Asams10 18:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the Principal corporation, the subsidiary that makes the weapon is in Washington. I think it should state Washington, not Nyon. It would be like stating Coca-Cola manufactured in Switzerland, is actually manufactured in the USofA because Coke's head office is there.  In this case, it is a completely separate corporation. PianoKeys 10:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe you're not looking at what it says.  It says, "Place of Origin" and that is, indeed, Switzerland.  I don't really understand why you don't want to list the place of origin as the actual place of origin.  What's your agenda?--Asams10 15:49, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Colt's Manufacturing Company the parent company is correctly in :Category:Firearms manufacturers in the United States the subsidiary Colt Canada is correctly in :Category:Firearms manufacturers in Canada... now what is your agenda?? PianoKeys 18:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear based on the official website that the design and manufacture of the prototype took place in the United States, not in Switzerland. I'll keep looking into it.--LWF 18:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW: The inventors of the operating system live in Nyon, Switzerland according to the US patent. It is US Patent #7,201,094. D.E. Watters 18:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Nyon|Nyon, Switzerland]]

message: Any info on the Kriss's firerate?
Yes. I was told that its rate of fire is about 1500 rounds a minute.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.54.98.27 (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPMs? 

message: Does any one know when this would go into service with the US military or even if it will?74.183.202.229 (talk) 02:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a discussion forum... The answer is never, BTW.  --Asams10 (talk) 00:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The KRISS is currently being tested by several branches of the U.S. Military, but is gaining the most popularity amongst Law Enforcement.
Forgive me, but I just wished to know more about the history of the project as well as it's planned future, if it has one. I can't seem to find much information on the project.74.183.202.229 (talk) 02:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a prototype that the company is trying to sell, however there are few buyers.  It might be tried by US Special Forces, but the concept of a submachine gun essentially died with the widespread use of body armor.  Had the gun came out in the early 1930's, it'd have been the best thing eVAR, however it's simply too little, too late. --Asams10 (talk) 04:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to recall reading that the company was planning on scaling up the system for larger cartridges, but that remains speculation.--LWF (talk) 06:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess I missed this comment when you made it.  Yes, they are planning on scaling it up to 12ga and .50 BMG.  There are balanced recoil systems on the market now... the Counterpoise system for the M16 and the AN94 Russian rifle.  Both are more complicated than a few hundred rounds of trigger time necessary to use an automatic weapon effectively... My opinion, but interesting nonetheless.  I'll admit that the idea of having TWO counterweights that completely negate the effect of recoiling parts creating separate implulses intrigues me.  I think the .50 cal is going this way.  Simpler than other systems, it'll be years before anything comes of this I believe.  We'll see. --Asams10 (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  When in service? 

message: This is beyond prototype stage, and is in production. Featured on FutureWeapons as well. Can we update this? Soundcrafter (talk) 14:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, no, it isn't in production.  FutureWeapons is not a reliable source and that show was over a year old.  No TDI Vector that I know of has left the factory.  If you can provice a reliable source that says different, please feel free to add the info yourself. --Nukes4Tots (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I didn't check the airdate. I know of several companies taking orders for the weapon, I'll have to access and add later. Soundcrafter (talk) 14:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In Production

message: Anyone notice that the model is the same as the deatomizer in The Conduit?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.179.183.40 (talk) 02:47, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why don't you go mention it in those articles where it belongs and not this article? — DanMP5 17:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaming? 

message: I think you should remove saying that they advertise that bringing the grip inline with the bore axis contributes to accuracy, reduction of felt recoil and muzzle climb, because that point of design is not mentioned in any advertisment or premotional material for the gun.  at least those materials produced by the manufacturer.  It would be nice if we could say in the article that this is conspicuously absent too.   
Despite any documented evidence that this is obviously the main factor in reducing muzzle climb, its obvious that the reason they don't mention it is because doing so has drawbacks like the sights being much higher than the barrel in comparison to other smgs or reducing the barrel length in relation to the overall size, and they just don't want to say their design has drawbacks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.105.53 (talk) 11:27, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design, grip inline with bore axis, and advertisment and promotion. 

message: I think you should remove saying that they advertise that bringing the grip inline with the bore axis contributes to accuracy, reduction of felt recoil and muzzle climb, because that point of design is not mentioned in any advertisment or premotional material for the gun.  at least those materials produced by the manufacturer.  It would be nice if we could say in the article that this is conspicuously absent too.   
Despite any documented evidence that this is obviously the main factor in reducing muzzle climb, its obvious that the reason they don't mention it is because doing so has drawbacks like the sights being much higher than the barrel in comparison to other smgs or reducing the barrel length in relation to the overall size, and they just don't want to say their design has drawbacks.
70.179.105.53 (talk) 11:31, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design, grip inline with bore axis, and advertisment and promotion. 

message: I've removed this claim because it isn't qualified with measurements or cited; I'm genuinely unconvinced it's true, since I could think of many weapons with extremely high sightlines. Just offhand, any underbarrel accessory shotgun, any over-under OICW-style weapon, the P90 and the Neostead all have compariable or much larger differences between sight and where they actually throw bullets from. Herr Gruber (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Highest sightline in comparison to the bore axis" 

message: Does anybody know the manner in which the blowback operation is delayed? I understand that the bolt moves downwards, but that's just a small part of the operation. Is there a name for the system by which the Vector delays the opening of the chamber?
IRSpeshul (talk) 07:01, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delayed Blowback