Talk:Kenneth MacMillan

message: As promised at October's Wiki-bash at the ROH I have overhauled the MacMillan article. Comments and amendments invited from everyone, and in particular I take the liberty of pinging  and . Among the changes I have made is the deletion of the info-box, which didn't seem to me to add much, and rather cluttered up the lead: pray consider if this is OK. Also, I think (see, e.g., John Gielgud and John Gielgud, roles and awards) we might usefully hive off the list of MacMillan ballets into a separate linked article, but, again, guidance and comments on this will be most welcome. Tim riley talk  17:31, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work!  Yes, I agree that the infobox did not add anything and simply cluttered up the LEAD section. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: An excellent piece of work which had me grasping at nits to pick. Here are my suggestions/recommendations:
;Lead
I would reorder the first paragraph so that his major claim to distinction – his work with the Royal Ballet – is mentioned first. A suggestion:
Sir Kenneth MacMillan (11 December 1929 – 29 October 1992) was a British ballet dancer and choreographer who  was artistic director of the Royal Ballet in London between 1970 and 1977, and its principal choreographer from 1977 until his death. Earlier he had served as director of ballet for the Deutsche Oper in Berlin.   He was also associate director of the American Ballet Theatre from 1984 to 1989, and artistic associate of the Houston Ballet from 1989 to 1992.
;Early years
*"After attending a local infants' school, Kenneth studied from 1940 at Great Yarmouth grammar school" – in my day, there was a step between infant and grammar school (unless he was preternaturally bright of course)
;Dancer
*"In 1946 while still a student MacMillan appeared..." There probably is a case for a little more punc here.
*"At first he was an extra, and later he was promoted to a small dancing role". I'm not sure what extras do in ballet companies, but it sounds from your wording that they don't dance. Is that the case?
*I imagine that the "little theatre" in Henley was the New Theatre (I lived for 15 or so years in Henley and knew it well). Does the source name the theatre?
**Later: having got to my shelves I find it was called Kenton's Theatre. No connexion with Stan, in the line below this. Tim riley talk  16:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Brian, thank you so much. Exactly what I was hoping for. I chuckled at what you rightly say about my surreal drafting in re Stan Kenton. I'll enjoy working through these points over the next few days, and will ponder what you say about GAs. As a ballet ignoramus (only ever seen two MacMillan works) I have no yardstick in re GAN for a dance article, but I have a good idea which ballet-savvy editor to consult about this in due course. Meanwhile, grateful thanks for your review. Tim riley talk  17:52, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All these points now acted on, except for checking the Henley theatre, which I'll do when I have access to my bookshelves. Many thanks to Brian for these excellent suggestions. Tim riley talk  12:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Henley theatre now checked and linked. Tim riley talk  16:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal review

message: I think this article would benefit form using the sfn type formatting.  But if the present company disagrees, I will defer to your desires.  Let me know.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I collaborate from time to time with colleagues who use the SFN technique. I can't get the hang of it at all, and if you have time and patience to explain to me how it works, why it helps, and how to code it I shall be hugely in your debt. I don't say I'll necessarily be a convert, but at least I'll understand it at last! Tim riley talk  22:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically, the books have to be put into a reference template.  The template must include the author's last name, the year and the statement "|ref=harv"  then instead of using reference names you put in <no wiki> </nowiki> template looks like: sfn|author last name|year|page(s)=.  I would be happy to do it.  I don' want to get into a territorial dispute, as some editors like using reference names. The sfn will handle all that.  Let me do a small portion, and you can see whether its something that you are into.  Doing all these citations is labor intensive, and I have had some editors on other articles who just revert it all.  I am not interested in putting in a lot of effort only to have it reverted at one crack.  So I would respectfully suggest we do an increment, and you can then render your opinion.  But this is no pressure, as there are lots of other places I can do this where it might be welcomed.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you'd be kind enough to watch the progress of the GAN I have just agreed to put up, and then maybe return to the SFN question after that? It might be a bit too much to deal with both at the same time. Tim riley talk  22:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I could do one source, and you can just undo it.  Or decide to go forward with the citations. No large deal that.  I think that having them in place will make it tidier for the GA.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:06, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the Thorpe book.  Click on the blue links.  Undo the edit if you will.  Let me know if I can help whenever.  Happy editing.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:11, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

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message: I believe information about his wife and daughter should be included.  Mrs. MacMillan controls his work. Also, his death was very traumatic. 
Update: Actually, Dec. 2011 version include a bit of this information and bio. material with the photo which was deleted.  I think it should be restored.Lmlmss44 (talk) 18:53, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Wife and daughter