Talk:Heidi Heitkamp

message: Hi, Arbor8! Why do you think pay-to-play is not notable? That section seems properly sourced and the issue seems very important. Lesbianadvocate (talk) 22:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, the back-and-forth of campaign accusations and campaign commercials don't meet the notability requirements to be in an encyclopedia. Just because something is true doesn't mean it's necessarily notable. See WP:NOTNEWS for more. Hopefully that clears things up. Since this is contentious info on a BLP, I'm going to re-remove now, until we have a chance to reach consensus here. Arbor8 (talk) 14:53, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I see Lesbianadvocate already removed. If this turns out to be a major issue in the campaign, then I think it should be re-added in the campaign section. Having it in the political positions section seems awkward. Arbor8 (talk) 14:59, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

text: I just saw another major news story in North Dakota. It is a major campaign issue. I don't think notability is in question. However, I think undue weight is. I don't think it makes sense to have this taking up a relatively high percentage of the word count because the rest of the article is underdeveloped.Lesbianadvocate (talk) 15:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And you are certainly right about having it in the political positions section.Lesbianadvocate (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pay to play? 

message: According to Wall Street Journal, her birth place is Mantador, North Dakota; but congress.org says it is Breckenridge, Minnesota. According to wikipedia, her brother's birth place is also Breckenridge, Minnesota; which is just 19 miles away from Mantador, North Dakota. 19 miles is not a very long distance, so she might have born in a Mantador hospital while her family house was in Breckenridge, but I can't find any source on that, neither any statement by her -or a resume- which indicates her place of birth. I reverted my edits after I saw the WSJ article, so her place of birth shows as Mantador, North Dakota once again with the WSJ reference, but I still think we need more sources on this before. Nimuaq (talk) 12:52, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems congress.org reference is correct while WSJ is not, acc. to the official U.S. Senate website (senate.gov), her birth place is Breckenridge, Minnesota. The page is edited accordingly. Nimuaq (talk) 20:04, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of Birth 

message: Any objections to including the following statement regarding her support for ACA:
Critics have also pointed out that she was a vocal supporter of the legislation in 2010 and claim she expressed no concerns about it until declaring her candidacy for the Senate. CFredkin (talk) 16:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. a) it's not "critics", it's a single critic and b) the fact that she wasn't taking positions on issues when she wasn't running for public office isn't notable. Filling up articles with examples of people not expressing opinions when they weren't running for office and then doing so when they were is pointless. Tiller54 (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with changing the text to reference the author's name instead of the generic "critics".  However, the point of the statement is that she did express an opinion on the issue, and then changed her stance after she declared her candidacy.  That is relevant.CFredkin (talk) 17:12, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Her alleged change of opinion is already included in the section. And why is it that what this one commentator said is so notable? I'm sure there are people who have criticised every position she's taken, from her support of Keystone XL to her support of gay marriage. Filling up the article with "x criticised her for taking this position" is pointless. Tiller54 (talk) 17:31, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: The debate she had with Berg over healthcare really belongs in the section for the 2012 senate election. And you haven't answered my question: why is what this one commentator said so notable? Additionally, the fact that she went from "not running for office and not taking positions on everything" to "running for office and taking positions" isn't notable.  Tiller54 (talk) 17:51, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's notable because he's representing a reliable source. In fact, it's more notable than the claims from Berg and NRSC. He also contacted her and asked her to provide any examples to refute his claim prior to publishing the article.  Additionally, the point of the statement is that she had indeed expressed an opinion on the subject, and then changed it after she started campaigning.CFredkin (talk) 17:58, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a single person criticising her. That in of itself is not notable. The debate with Berg is certainly more notable and should probably be moved to the "2012 election" section, like I said. Tiller54 (talk) 18:19, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He's pointing out that she changed her position on the issue.  Since the discussion is related to her stance on the ACA, it belongs in the Health Care section.  I'm ok with mentioning it in the 2012 Election section also, if you like.CFredkin (talk) 18:23, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't agree. One person's criticism of her on one position is not notable enough to include even once, let alone twice! Tiller54 (talk) 18:30, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

text: I don't think it needs a separate sentence from what's already there.  I think it adds additional support for that existing sentence and maybe you could just alter that sentence to better reflect what it's saying, such as:   - Maximusveritas (talk) 13:28, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I've edited accordingly.  Thanks for the input.CFredkin (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Health Care 

message: Can anyone find and add an explanation of why she's nicknamed "Heidi"?  (My initial guess was that it could just be a shorthand for Heitkamp, but I have no evidence to support that, and it wouldn't explain why her four sisters aren't nicknamed Heidi.) RCTodd (talk) 17:52, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of nickname 

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message: This misstated the name of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and claimed that it goes through native American land. That's false. Not that I expect it to be corrected. This is Wikipedia, after all, and noplace for actual facts.2001:5B0:50D9:C4B8:561:638A:9A04:9227 (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
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message: As you already noticed, Heidi Heitkamp has been recently made target of a coordinated troll campaign by the alt right hate-group calling themselves the Fandom Menace. This comes in the wake of rumours that former actress Gina Carano is planning on suing her for defamation over criticism of the latter's far right views and her association with members of the alt right. There have already been multiple attempts by IP users to vandalize this page by falsely claiming Heidi Heitkamp has made libelous statements against Gina Carano. It might be a good idea to prevent these trolls from doing it at all in the future. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 10:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip IP, I agree and have requested semi-protection at WP:RFPP, and I've added this page to my watchlist in the meantime. DanCherek (talk) 11:51, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Now protected. DanCherek (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Semi protected until April 9. I have first-hand experience with these people. They are far more persistent than that. These are the same trolls who were behind the coordinated dislike bombing of every video posted by the official Star Wars youtube channel for over a month now. They're the reason youtube is considering hiding dislikes on all videos. 46.97.170.112 (talk) 12:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a week is standard for an article that hasn't previously been protected, but I'll keep this on my watchlist and re-report if vandalism continues next week, at which point the admin will definitely increase the duration. Feel free to ping me anytime as well if I can be of assistance. Thanks, DanCherek (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article might need protection