Talk:The Sims 2/Archive3

message: I think some more "fansites" should be listed.
*MTS2 the biggest custom contents and mods site for TS2.
*MATY especially, as this place offers critical bugfixes and mods for TS2.
*Insimenator which hosts one of the most productive modding communities
*Sims 2 Workshop another productive modding community
Thoughts? -- Jordi·✆ 08:22, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm aware the official site already has a directory for fan sites. --Mig (Talk) 16:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites 

message: I added a screenshot to the article, and removed the request for same on this talk page. Jerry lavoie 20:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the screenshot. Not only was it in a really bad position its extremely old and out of date. The interface doesn't look anything like that anymore. That must be a pre-release promo shot. Its not really informative.--Crossmr 02:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: There is a screenshot of a child becoming a teen, do you still want another? I added a bodyshop shot. Kuronue 14:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just look through the article and if you see someplace that is particularly baren of images, add an appropriate one.  The article could really use more. — Frecklefoot | Talk 17:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Screenshot

message: Removed unesssecary information - stop editing back please. It is blatantly obvious by 74.104.202.163
::: ^ And some anonymous editor keeps removing the completely relevant illustration with information of the homosexual couple. Sims can BE gay and OR straight. Furthermore, this anonymous editor does not realize that my notes underneath the photo is the FIRST mention of this fact in the entire article. Stop removing it please. ResurgamII 16:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  ^ and someone keeps adding COMPLETELY irrelevant info. THE SIMS 2 is NOT a game about sexuality, please create another TS2 branch if you really want to split heads over TS2 genes and whatnot. We will keep removing it until you add it in a branch off of this article (like a new page specifically for Sims genes FTW) or have some actual info we can use (What sort of cheats can you use? What are these 'recolors'? etc... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.91.50.77 (talk) 16:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Sims does follow a sex theme, but it is NOT a major theme. The main theme is growing up, there is much more to like then sex, such as getting a job, making money, and making friends. But it should be mentioned in the article somewhere. Ledgo (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that cheats should be included in the game. There are sites for that, perhaps an external link would be more appropriate. And I second the vote that it is important to list sexuality in the game so that people researching the product know that it mirrors real life. Stop removing stuff that makes sense; there are plenty of other articles that need that, but this is not one of them.
I don't think it's a cheat. I have a cheat that puts the whole game in a dedbug mode- the kind they use for testing the game, I think. One of the special things you can do with this cheat is make them tell you their autonomous gender preference- in other words, what gender they respond romanticallly with. So I think it's some secret that is embedded in the game you have to work out yourself- going back to the point made earlier about how it reflects daily life. And if you didn't know anything about the game it would be useful to know that the makers aren't homophobic (o.k, that's an exaggeration. I mean rigid towards sexuality.).ElGenius 17:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  It's part of the character file; you can see it with tools like SimPE, a number of hacks, or debug mode. It affects who they are attracted to (with NL) and the threshold at which they will accept romantic interactions; while it takes external tools to SEE it, it's coded in to the base game. Kuronue | Talk 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Information 

message: Isn't there an aspiration that's like a glitch or an easteregg in the game called grilled cheese aspiration that comes with Nightlife? Let me know! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.142.130.49 (talk) 00:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That aspiration does come with Nightlife. . It is mentioned in the Nightlife article. --Hintha 04:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where's the wikipedia page about the asperation? I can't find it in a search. I saw it before, and ive forgotten the basic asperation rewards ect. --Coolspanner 15:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be on WP. Look on GameFAQs or something like that for that info. ALTON .ıl 03:36, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grilled Cheese Aspiration? 

message: Why does the PC game, The Sims 2, has four CD-Rom? Other games has only one CD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Coffsneeze (talk • contribs) 18:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because different games require different amounts of Data.--Crossmr 18:47, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all have one CD, University has two. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.136.41.218 (talk) 23:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  software 

message: I've noticed that the Sims related articles tend to get a level of detail in them that goes well beyond that of an encyclopedia article and delves into the realm of game guides. To that end I've created a page over at wikibooks which takes that kind of material. Wikipedia already includes a template: Template:Wikibooks for handling this. If you find any material which reaches this level, feel free to transwiki it there and leave a note for the person who added it that that is where its gone and that that type of material is more appropriate there. Any article that you transwiki material off of, should have a template added to it. I've already added the template to the Seasons article and I'm going to go through and clean out the excessive detail.--Crossmr 21:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anyone needs help in setting up these templates on various articles feel free to ask, I think I've gotten the hang of it.--Crossmr 21:42, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I've completed transwikiing University, Nightlife and Seasons. Pets and Open for business still need to be done, as well as the base game. Someone may also want to have a look at the article on Sim (Maxis Sim games) as there has been some concern that that article as well is slipping into minutia and trivia.--Crossmr 23:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikibooks Gameguides 

message: Did anybody else notice that the Sims 2 expansion sets mostly mirror those of the predecessor as far as concepts go? There's a downtown, pets, etc.
Does this deserve a special mention? Other games sometimes tend to incorporate the features added in expansion sets for predecessors in sequels, so I was a bit surprised to see that pets were already added in a The Sims expansion before The Sims 2 Pets was conceived.
Regardless, the article seems to fail to mention that the game mechanics introduced in expansion sets are cumulative in newer releases: one expansion adds a mechanic, the next one includes that mechanic and adds more stuff. This can lead to many "disabled features" if one does not purchase the expansions in order, e.g. a disabled "Downtown" and "Campus" button as well as an non-selectable but fully implemented Pleasure aspiration if only OFB and the base game are installed (which, of course, acts as another incentive to buy earlier expansions: get rid of all those placeholders). — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 12:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be original research to draw a conclusion like that. Unless you can find a reliable source which is speculating on this. I have heard that theory several times, but only in unreliable places like forums and blogs.--Crossmr 17:56, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nightlife and Pets are the only remakes of Sims 1 EPs so far.  University, Open for Business, and Seasons are all new.  24.254.47.90 20:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  I think Maxis stated before that every other expansion pack will be a "remake" of a The Sims 1 expansion pack. I'm using the quotation marks because the most direct evidence I've personally seen is a Maxoid saying the new expansion packs are inspired by older ones. Nightlife was inspired by Hot Date (stated on IGN.com), Pets by Unleashed, and Bon Voyage by Vacation. --Funnykidrian 01:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Is it important? Is it encyclopedic? No.--A Person With A Listening Problem 11:58, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you made a spin-off article that includes similarities between the first and second game, sure. But I am sure you don't need to mention all these expansions are remakes. Me and my mom figured that, we're pretty sure once the magic expansion is made, it will end up like sims 1 and end in that expansion, and all further work on Sims 3 if it is not a cancelled project.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ledgo (talk • contribs) 16:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity between Sims 1 and 2 expansions? 

message: The article has received input with ideas for improvement. Please read it and attend to the issues. 
Also, we have a 2 week semi-protection now, which prevents vandalism similar to the type we have been getting the last couple weeks. ALTON .ıl 23:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: Should this be added to the article? girls aged about 14 - 15 always adding custom content that really makes it outnumber male creators stuff. i play the game, im male, but girls are always uploading girly sims, i cant find anything on download pages because of it. should we send a warning out to these girls obsessively uploading elves and silky skintones? --Coolspanner 02:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but it's unnecessary OR. ALTON .ıl 00:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. OR, more neutral pics. --Coolspanner 11:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe I? Everyone's entitled to contribute. ALTON .ıl 02:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Girls Stuff" Overruns Custom content hosts 

message: Now, I am no Sims 2 advocate, but, I feel this section is not needed. It is one claim that was immediatly addressed. It's actually quite funny. I'm just saying we might want to remove it.
:I dunno. it was actually a hoax, it was blogged... it was entertaining so, keep it. --Coolspanner 21:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy Section 

message: Stop adding game guide material. Stop adding expansion pack info to the prose. Stop adding speculation. The next person to do so will be warned. ALTON .ıl 00:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately this is a constant issue. The hundreds upon thousands of fan sites out there just don't seem to be enough to satisfy the need to disseminate trivia about The Sims and its gameplay features. As well, the slightest hint of speculation is enough to spur edits on Wikipedia, EP after EP. I honestly don't think it will ever stop, nor do I have a solution for dealing with it unfortunately. Nothing permanent anyway. We can continue to redirect and have articles deleted, but each time it will happen again.--Crossmr 23:25, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit futile isn't it, guys? I doesn't take much effort to revert vandalism anyway. --Coolspanner 11:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It's my own effort, and it's just as easy to warn every single one. ALTON .ıl 00:57, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about all the people that edit without looking at the talk page first?  They won't see the warning. Pnkrockr 01:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Look, I'm aware it's impossible to catch every person vandalizing Wiki at every moment, but I'll have the justification here when someone decides to RfC me. We've already tried protecting it, and they don't think it's "severe enough" to keep even semi-protected. Sometimes that's not the right criteria to judge whether a page should be or not. ALTON .ıl 04:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Would violate WP:OWN. What if they did that on controversial articles? Then that person's bias would never go away. Kuronue | Talk 20:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning to all editors 

message: This suggestion does not cite an appropriate source: the link does not mention "School's Out" at all, but mentions "Castaway", a Sims 2 Stories game. I have marked as citation needed, and will remove if no appropriate link is provided. 
Perman17 12:47, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clearly nonsense. Sillygostly 02:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: School's Out

message: Hi, today I noticed someone added a Sporty Leasure Stuff add-on to the Stuff pack list, claiming to be released on 31 November 2007.  I deleted this as it had no ref.  Is this a real pack, and is a source available?  Thanks -- Chris as I am Chris 09:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sporty Leasure Stuff? 

message: this is what i found . Just so we can add it as soon as Maxis make the announcement.
Yes we shoud. Anubiz 11:09, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added it.  The info is on the Sims website now. — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Next EP: Bon voyage

message: The Sims H and M is a new expansion although I'm not sure if its a global release. http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=RM03202&title=the_sims_2_handm_stuff&ref=HOMEPAGE
I think the main page needs to be updated with information on this.
That's just a stuff pack, and there in Info on it. Anubiz 11:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Sims 2 H and M

message: Who added this? Since the next expansion pack, Bon Voyage, has just been announced, and there are no sources listed on the page of the article, it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this is a legitimate release. If no one objects, I'm removing this article. --74.116.236.191 14:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Sims 2 A List 

message: Shouldn't suff mentioned here that was not released in the base game be removed such as young adults, Pleasure and Grilled Cheese Aspirations, etc.? Those things can be in the part that mentions what the EPs are, but not listed in other places. And shouldn't that screenshot of the birthday party be changed as well; it shows pieces from University, and this article is about the base game?
216.193.136.254 20:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove stuff mentioned here that was added in Expansion Packs 

message: Shouldnt we link to at least the most popular two or three fansites Ω§|Blacksmith2 02:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fansites?

message: Someone started a page for The Sims 2 Deluxe, and I'm thinking if it would be a good idea to make a new page for the various editions of The Sims 2 released (we can move the existing Holiday Edition content from the Stuff Packs page while leaving the Happy Holiday Stuff, which is an actual Stuff Pack, intact). This page would be similar to the Stuff Packs page wherein it contains information on the numerous editions released (instead of making a new page for each edition). Anyone agree with me on this? --Funnykidrian 04:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Page for Various Editions

message: Should this talk page be archived?Ω§|Blacksmith2 05:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive Page

message: I think its time that we fully protect the article from unnessisary info. its probably getting annoying for you guys to remove this crap. --Coolspanner 18:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its only ever been protected in the past during the build up to a highly anticipated EP. Its also only protected against vandalism. They fail to recognize how some members of the Sims community treat this article.--Crossmr 01:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: "The Sims 2 Bodyshop allows more customization of facial features than the Create-A-Sim feature within the game itself." I don't agree with this, and I already made a beginners mistake with the minor edit thing, so I want to see what you think. Simsarmy1 22:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does, though; it has about twice as many sliders as CAS. Have you compared the two lately? I can't, for instance, edit the size of the lower lip in CAS, but I can in bodyshop. Kuronue 02:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think you can edit ears in the actual game, though. IIRC, I had to use Bodyshop to get pointed ears (for elves). Ophois 01:22, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body Shop picture has a debateable comment 

message: You know, when removing half the article, it's customary to make a note on the talk page detailing your reasons for doing so. I can guess, and I'm not arguing against it, but I came here to see what was up and saw nothing. No wonder the talk page has mostly people asking for game advice! Kuronue 15:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: people are encouraged to be bold and don't need to discuss every change made to the article (unless there is question raised on it, or likely to be question on it). If you've got concerns about the removal of particular content, please feel free to reference it and explain why you don't think it should have been removed.--Crossmr 15:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're talking about me, which I suspect, deletion here is mainly caused out of frustration. Responding to your summary questioning my article pruning, each one of these edits are adding something "just as important" to the section. It's hard to judge what belongs in the section, but the larger the mob grows, the more inclined members are to be more rowdy and overstep boundaries.  ALTON .ıl 00:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

text: We obviously have conflicting notions of the word "great". If you feel the need, file mediation with me, or request comments or an arbitration. The venues are available for you to vent instead of lowering yourself to banal insults. ALTON .ıl 02:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'll stop that in the future, I hope we understand each other then. Thank you. ALTON .ıl 04:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I once saw a list on here with all pre made sim families and neighbourhoods although this has been removed. These 'areas' in the game play in importent part in game play and there is little information about any pre made families on official websites. I atempted to start a page listing all areas in The Sims 2 (Pleasent View, Bluewater ect) all though this was removed before I had the chance to update it. 
Is there any reason why it was removed and why there is no information on these neighbourhoods or pre-made families?
:Because the information isn't really encyclopedic. We're not a gameplay guide, or a guide to the game. That kind of thing is suited to fansites unless there is something really notable about them outside the community.--Crossmr 18:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are only 3 premade neighbour hoods, 3 prem,ade unis, (if you have uni) not sure about NL , Blue water is a kind of sub neighbour hood, as you can have houses there, not sure about seasons, and pets has no new area.Blacksmith2 talk 08:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the interest of correctess, there's 1 premade downtown, and one new main neighborhood that came with Seasons. But game discussion doesn't belong here. Kuronue 14:33, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of all pre made neighbourhoods 

message: Could someone mention the sales of the Sims 2 in the article? It has sold over 13 million copies which I believe deserves to be mentioned in the article. 72.49.194.69 02:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, it's in there now. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:04, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sims 2 Sales 

message: On the table for EP's for TS2 I changed the new character for Bon Voyage from Yeti to Bigfoot becuase the sims 2 website says bigfoot and does not mention to an Yeti.Bizub4 16:43, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been confirmed in chat, so I reinstated it with a link to the chat in which the maxoids discussed bigfoot. Kuronue | Talk 00:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yeti/Bigfoot 

message: Its been a while since the last one, should we have another one, or maybe sometime September-OctoberBlacksmith talkEditor Review 08:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  VG peer review? 

message: The article states that there have been six packs released and lists them (including Bon Voyage, Sept 4th in the US).  Then it goes on to say that another has been announced.  Is this true, or did someone forget to edit that part out? I didn't want to remove it without knowing for sure, but I haven't heard anything on this, so I put a fact tag on it. STLocutus 19:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bon Voyage came with an insert announcing the next expansion pack to be "Hobbies" Kuronue | Talk 23:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It's already been announced with the name "Free Time"--Crossmr (talk) 17:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next expansion pack (after Bon Voyage)? 

message: One very fast-growing part of Sims fan culture is the fact skillful Sim-players are able to create mods, etc. that allow them to create music videos or recreate TV shows, etc. using the Sims. Look on Youtube and you'll see this. In fact there's a clip making the rounds that appears to be based upon a Simlish recording by Lily Allen. I've also seen episodes of Doctor Who done in Sims-style and there was a widely-circulated music video featuring Sims altered to look like characters from Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The Picard Song"). I think this should be included here. 68.146.41.232 17:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What about all the music videos, etc.?

message: "Compared to The Sims, the graphics of The Sims 2 is much more enhanced." I don't know if I'm right on this but it's why I'm asking. Isn't "graphics" a plural noun? I think "...the graphics of The Sims 2 are much more enhanced." would be the correct way to say it. Let me know what you think please. ·:RedAugust 16:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's plural. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The graphics is..."? 

message: I like to know why every other time I visit this article to show my friends; it is always different from the last time I was here. I like to know why modifications to the listings are continously being changed to suit certian people? Any reasons on this bias take? --HotDice 07:46, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, they seem to feel the need to type every secret they find into the features box. I think they're stupid. --Coolspanner 21:56, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Simple, this is a wiki.  The Sims 2 is a very popular game, and therefore this article is widely viewed.  People stumble upon it, decide to change it.  It's that simple. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 22:53, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup, lock the damn article. --Coolspanner 22:34, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes to the Expansion Pack listings 

message: I looked at the edit history and it seemed that it has been vandalized alot today. This article is one of the most vandalised on Wikipedia, protect it before it gets even more vandalized! --71.215.158.128 04:17, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Join the club. You get a free jacket. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolspanner (talk • contribs)  
Looks like its a target today for some vandals.  Should be protected for the time being. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 16:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should be protected 

message: This guy keeps adding some fake box shot to the article constantly vandalizing it. So someone should either put vandalizing prevention protection on this article or ban that user from accessing and editing this article. Thanks . -Vlad 16:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism was so rampant that some valuable material was lost, like the line from the expansions table that I restored yesterday.  Editors should closely examine the article to see if any other material was lost. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 12:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frequent Vandalism by Pentiumman 

message: She should be added to the nightlife NPCs, as she is the annoying old lady who despises PDAs brought back from the original sims, Hot Date. She is listed in all FAQs as an NPC, and an important one at that. 67.171.13.90 (talk) 04:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mrs. Crumplebottom 

message: A few Pogo games using The Sims Carnival brand are coming out soon. Shall we start up new articles about them and link them to the relevant sections? --Funnykidrian (talk) 22:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if they gain any notability on their own. Notability isn't necessarily inherited just because the parent game or company is notable.--Crossmr (talk) 03:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Sims Carnival

message: Can someone please tell me why this article keeps getting deleted? I have made a number of requests that if anyone has a problem with it then discuss it! As it has once again been deleted without any reason it will be uploaded again! 
Remember,wikipedia is for everyone! Some people find certain articles more usefore and encyclopedic than others and if everyone deleted every article they thought wasnt encyclopedic then there will be no wikipedia left!
Anyone wish to delete 'list of The Sims 2 neighbourhoods' again then at least discuss it first!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoogie7 (talk • contribs) 09:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if you're content has been deleted or redirected then seek to find out why. Contact the editor who has done it. Recreating this content in a new article is against policies and guidelines.--Crossmr (talk) 17:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of The Sims to neighbourhoods 

message: It seems that the genie is no more "the creature" for the FreeTime Expansion than Mrs. Crumplebottom was for Nightlife. He's apparently an NPC, not something your sims can turn into like the previous creatures (werewolf, vampire, plantsim, zombie) and not playable like the robots or bigfoots either. I suggest that the expansion chart be modified so that the "creature" column says "none" for FreeTime.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.37.206 (talk) 19:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genie 

message: I believe an archive is due. Someone want to do it? Zeroxysm (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive? 

message: What do you mean there is no new creature in free time? Thats a rip. 69.202.119.212 (talk) 14:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Creature?