Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign

message: I found that letter 'vi' (Wikipedia) in Kannada, Hindi and other indian languages is wrongly represented. This one should be corrected before final decision.--Raja Hussain 08:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree with this. There's a petition around somewhere on this. —Nightstallion (?) 13:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also mentioned it on the page in the #Logo changes section. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:29, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character error in Logo

message: There appear to be only two good wordings for "help" as well.
Help vs Help contents
Help contents seems to be more popular, used in software, and actual page title (therefore, probably already discussed). I think "Help contents" has won the argument. --gatoatigrado 07:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding the word "contents" provides no useful information. Of course the first page of Help is going to be a table of contents, but the table of contents isn't really what people are after. They simply want "Help". If I'm trying to figure out how to use Wikipedia, I'm going to look for a link that says "Help". When I see a link that says "Help contents" I'm going to think "WTF is that? What contents are they talking about? The contents of the article? A table of contents?" The link should just say "Help". I don't think we need a focus group to figure this out, as it should be rather obvious, IMO. Kaldari 14:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I hope you read the previous, more detailed discussion; "help contents" disambiguates between a "help index" and a "contact us" thing. --gatoatigrado 15:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By creating something that sounds like neither? Kaldari 23:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, my english wasn't that good. It should sound like neither because it is neither. --24.7.86.143 01:45, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm happy with either of them. --Quiddity 04:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I share the same sentiment as Quiddity, although I am leaning slightly towards Help contents. --DavidHOzAu 13:17, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: The other titles don't reflect help, so I don't think "help" is a good choice for the navigation box. It's not a table like old encyclopedias because there are links instead of page numbers. --gatoatigrado 20:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the three other alternatives are 100% accurate either, so by that logic, none of the choices are good enough. As far as "not being like old encyclopedias," a table of contents is a table of contents, whether it's electronic or not, whether is has links or not. It's the functionality that matters, and that's the function of that particular page. Let's vote! :-) Rfrisbietalk 21:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Help table of contents is too long and won't fit in the portlet. --DavidHOzAu 04:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  title for help link 

message: is it time to have people come and vote on this? let's get it moving. I don't think there's a lot of things being discussed anymore. --gatoatigrado 20:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably check out if the search box redesign has reached consensus yet. --DavidHOzAu 00:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the search box is a different matter, if the redesign of the sidebar links and layout is done can't that just be done while the search box is finished and them implemented seperatley. Lcarsdata (Talk) 11:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant that if they have reached consensus, we can incorporate what is decided there into this proposal. If not, then sure, implement them seperately. --DavidHOzAu 04:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm satisfied with it all. And thoroughly exhausted. Do what thy will. --Quiddity 17:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  presenting to community 

message: Oh yeah, that other idea: We could retitle the "navigation" box to "browse", both to signify it's change of context, and to better cover the new content. Would match with "search" and "interact". Thoughts? --Quiddity 06:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or it could simply be "navigate" instead of "navigation", if we wish to stick to the more conventional term. —msikma <user_talk:msikma> 10:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "browse" and "navigate" don't follow the same parts of speech as "toolbox", would be my concern here. -tion structure seems fine. -- nae'blis 20:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation to Browse 

message: Final draft vote.
How's that? 
And are we allowing multiple votes per person? that should be stated on the page.
And should I go leave talkpage notes for all the prior contributors to this redesign? --Quiddity 01:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent work. I'd say multiple votes. Talkpage notes would be good too. :) JoeSmack Talk 04:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd also say that once the vote page is the best you feel it should be, to put it up on the notices' board on the Community Portal. JoeSmack Talk 04:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know what needs done, go do it :) I'm a project starter, not a project finisher... --Quiddity 05:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I put the pull time on the community portal notice for the 22st. My talkpage notes were pretty, uh, spunky. It's just the mood i'm in I guess. ;) JoeSmack Talk 06:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My thanks to you. I'm distracted in RL, and really appreciate the assistance :) --Quiddity 07:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Not for the default, that we keep minimal. You can add all sorts of personalization to anything using User stylsheets though :) --Quiddity 07:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

text: We're going to copy it to the sidebar talkpage, I assume? --Quiddity 07:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote discussion

message: Dunno where to mention this, but it looks like a sidebar issue to me... I've just noticed that 
it says svenska in the language bar.  This is wrong.  It should say svensk.  No letter 'a' on the end.  Marcus22 20:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh? We are talking about the word for the Swedish language, right? Because it's Svenska on the Swedish wikipedia... -- nae'blis 22:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I'm not going to argue with the Swedes!  I guess they'd know what they're talking about.  But it says 'Svensk' on Swedish dictionaries and, in the sidebar, it says dansk and norsk for the danish and norwegian.  So I guess it must reflect context or usage or something... Marcus22 08:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My knowledge of Swedish stops at "bork", but if you want to inquire over there and get something more informative, I'd be curious to hear what the answer is, too. Good eye, though! -- nae'blis 20:10, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Languages

message: Proposed change to redesign plan: Replace the links to portals and categories with a link to Wikipedia:Contents, per below example. The link wording and placement-order could be changed, please suggest. --Quiddity 01:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea!  I suggest a link labeled Contents in the same location.  —David Levy 01:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Quiddity 01:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Redesign update proposal - portals/cats replaced with contents

message: I think the sidebar is getting overly cluttered. About link is already on the bottom of every page. I think we should remove entries from the sidebar and not add. When was the last time you clicked "Current events"? We are not wikinews and current events are already on the main page. --Cat out 14:22, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is about the proposed redesign. For current implementation, see MediaWiki:Sidebar. --Quiddity 18:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it make sense to discuss this as a part of redesign? --Cat out 18:52, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is low-traffic, and the re-design is currently awaiting a dev with spare time, so you'll get a much faster response at the Mediawiki page. I update the proposed design here, to match any of the current implementation's changes. --Quiddity 19:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cool Cat's approach to the issue