Talk:Sportpalast speech

message: I've simply copied the alleged context from the edit summary. I don't know whether it's accurate, and I don't think the article as it stands should be kept. But I hope this edit might help the possible deletion process. Andrewa 08:52, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Does anyone know the copyright status of the Sportpalast speech?  This may sound like a strange question, but in the case of Mein Kampf, the state of Bavaria seized the copyright and used it to restrict republication.  So I wondered who's the copyright owner of Goebbels' most (in-)famous speech - some nation who seized the copyright, some of Goebbels' heirs, or is it in the public domain?  I hope that the latter holds, because this would permit translating more of it into English, but I'm not so sure. Aragorn2 15:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I previously tried to research this at some point and it does not appear anyone has an active claim on the copyright, but obviously there is no clear resolution of the matter either.  Presumably either a distant relative of Goebbels or the German state, or both, could try to claim copyright, but neither appears to have done so. English translations have been published (including online) for many years with no complainant coming forth. Mein Kampf, incidentally, is also not actively copyright-protected in most countries in the world either, since Bavaria's claim is not generally recognized outside Germany. --Delirium 03:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You could argue that this speech is a publication by a German authority, because Goebbels was the propaganda minister when he held it, and given the decoration etc. it was apparently an official event. (Unlike "Mein Kampf" which Hitler wrote well before he seized power.) Then the speech would be in the public domain, see :commons:Template:PD-GermanGov. But I am unsure if this interpretation is valid. --史慧开 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to german copyright law, the copyright ends 70 years after death of the Author. So you can copy it to Wikisource at 1 of May 2015 (ok-ok, 2-nd of May to be sure). Sheepdog85 (talk) 18:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright status 

message: This article lists no sources. Especially statements like "Goebbels also wanted, by building such huge popular enthusiasm, to convince Hitler to give him greater powers in running the war economy." are in need of a source, otherwise it's just speculation.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.235.31.191 (talk) 23:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the assertion that foreign sources could tell the audience was handpicked is partly sourced by the Speer quote in the Calvin summary, where Goebbels says it is the best trained audience in all Germany. I suppose one still needs sources that foreign observers at the time said the audience was handpicked. Mavrinan2 (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources 

message: I thought the summary had too much detail, so I shortened the summary section and put some of the detail in later sections. The comment that Goebbels moved his hands during the speech as body language is too vague to be meaningful so I removed it. Mavrinan2 (talk) 19:33, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  summary vs detail 

message: These sites: [] and [] have this speech.The first video has a tranlation to English.Agre22 (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Videos of this speech

message: Nowhere in the article was I able to find the true reaction of the german people. Were they pumped or did they just dismiss the message?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicbou (talk • contribs) 20:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: oh dear, the reaction is awesome: today the speech is used in official german highschool program (in German Literature) as an example of manipulating people by the massmedia. excuse my english btw. Sheepdog85 (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you didn't show off that you endorsed the ideas expounded in the speech, at that time and place you might be in very serious trouble. But most historians also agree the speech was a technically brilliant propaganda coup in a dangerous situation. 83.254.151.33 (talk) 11:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not support the ideas of the speach , i welcome the use of the speach in german highschool. Sorry if it sounds a little bit unclearly, because of my poor english. Sheepdog85 (talk) 17:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception of the speech? 

message: The main propaganda "coup" of the speech is not mentioned in the article. In all the years of hitler regime the propaganda ministry managed to bring the radiorecievers practicly in every house (look Volksempfänger). So one cant get rid of listening to the "beloved fuehrer" and other Partyboses. As the overall military situation gets uglier with every moment, Goebbels starts the attempt to mobilize everyone left for the one last material battle with this speech. The speech was translated live in radio, and that was the point: bacause of the laud ovation of the audience, radio listeners should believe in mass support of the folks  the goebbels adresses his speech to (doctors, engeneers, etc.). But in reality the audience sitting in Sportpalast is striktly limited only to members of Nazi-party, only invited members were allowd to come, only "ideologically proof" members were invited. So in radio it looked like Goebels is speaking to a Stadium full of ordinary peaple, but it was a simple lie. Please mention this somehow. P.S.: excuse my english. its not my favorite language. Sheepdog85 (talk) 01:59, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Massmedia

message: Saul Friedländer mentions in his Pulitzer Prize-awarded The Years of Extermination that Goebbels at one point makes a telling slip of the tongue:
: Germany in any case has no intention of bowing to this threat, but means to counter it in time and if necessary with the most complete and radical extermi—[correcting himself]—elimination” [Ausrott—Ausschaltung].
I've been wanting to hear this part myself, but haven't found any audio that contains this part. The audio linked on the German page, for instance, completely cut out this paragraph (at about 21:30). Moreover, according to the full text at 1000dokumente.de (a site of the Bavarian State Library) Goebbels never says "Ausrott-Ausschaltung", but "Gegenmaßnahmen" (countermeasures):
: Deutschland jedenfalls hat nicht die Absicht, sich dieser Bedrohung zu beugen, sondern vielmehr die, ihr rechtzeitig und wenn nötig mit den radikalsten Gegenmaßnahmen entgegenzutreten.
-- 188.194.109.192 (talk) 02:20, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The transcript on 1000dokumente is apparently either only an edited version, in which certain spoken phrasings have been replaced, or the original text of the speech to which Goebbels did not 100% adhere. Either way, in this also cut recording (of dubious origin) the relevant part is retained; Goebbels's slip is obviously not as explicit as written by Friedländer, but clear nonetheless: "Ausr… schaltung". -- 131.188.6.21 (talk) 13:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saul Friedländer & Goebbels's slip of the tongue 

message: Hi, 
This is translated as extermination in Details and eradication in Quotes; perhaps one could be settled on, for consistency. Jontel (talk) 05:43, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ausrottung