Talk:Yama

message: It is self-evidently inconsistent for an article on Yama, who will always remain first and foremost a Hindu/Vedic deity, to be represented by a picture of a Buddhist statue. While I do not have a public domain picture on me, I am tempted to remove the Buddhist one simply for its inappropriateness to the article. However, I'll abstain. I hope someone does something about this. --69.203.80.158 16:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yama Picture 

message: Someone posted a question in the reference desk expressing confusion about why "collyrium" is used as a comparison for Yama, and characterized the term as meaning "eyewash".  I am reposting my reply to that question below.  Basically the word collyrium is not clear and as my comments below explain the likely comparison is to a type of black eye cosmetic.
The English phrase “fierce and dark like a heap of collyrium” is attributed in the article to the Garuda Purana (2.5.147-149) which is a Sanskrit text.  I don’t have a copy of the text on hand, but the concept translated as “collyrium” is a common image.  Sanskrit words for “collyrium” are listed in Apte's "The Student's English-Sanskrit Dictionary" p. 64.  Three alternatives are given. अंजनं (añjanaṁ) in general refers to an ointment, but specifically it is a type of cosmetic used to blacken the eyelashes.  Chemical composition is pulverized antimony, and the use of antimony as a cosmetic is mentioned in the Wikipedia article for that substance (Macdonell’s “A Practical Sanskrit Dictionary”, p. 5). कज्जलं (kajjalaṁ) is lamp-black, and collyrium is prepared from it (Macdonell, p. 61). नेत्ररंजनं (netrañjanaṁ) is eye-salve (netra means eye) (Macdonell, p. 147).
So the word that is probably used in the original text was either añjanaṁ or kajjalaṁ, both of which are black types of netrañjanaṁ.  Yama is associated with the color black, so the image of blackness is intended.  I have noticed the use of the English word collyrium in translations of other texts that use it in the sense of a medicinal eye-salve (as opposed to a cosmetic) but in a different context.  The condition of being unable to see the reality of the world around us is sometimes compared to the medical problem of a partially-blind person or someone with vision trouble.  The use of eye-salves for medicinal purposes to improve sight is used as an analogy for the use of spiritual study to help remove weakness of inner sight.  The specific medical condition sometimes mentioned for this analogy is तिमिरं (timiraṁ) which means “darkened” or “clouded”eyesight. Buddhipriya (talk) 01:02, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the course of the reference desk question another editor made this point: "The translation appears to be by Jagdish Lal Shastri and is almost certainly copyrighted, so editors probably shouldn't be blithely adjusting its language (and the article needs to credit the source)." Deor (talk) 03:18, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Another detail: The article cites 2.5.147-149, the source the other editor provided translates 2.6.147-149.  In the online text I found for GarP 2.6.144 is the end of 2.6 so there is no 2.6.147-149 in that edition, a common problem with versification of these texts. Buddhipriya (talk) 20:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found a couple of references related to the iconography of Yama that may be more clear on color issues that the quote we have now that uses the term "collyrium".  If there is no objection I will replace that quote with some other cites.  I will probably cite from these more than once, so I will set it up for Harvard citations unless there is objection to using that method.  I also notice that there is currently only one actual note in the References section, with two general books listed but not cited.  I believe the best approach is to have a separate section for Notes if we do move to a more heavily footnoted format.  I would like to change the structure of the citations to move in that direction. Buddhipriya (talk) 06:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the term collyrium 

message: Someone just added this unsourced remark, which may be true, but can we have a citation? "However, in other tales, such as the tale of Vyasaraj, Yama is described as a handsome man whose skin is fair as the stars at night, and eyes as dark as the deepest well." Buddhipriya (talk) 06:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving an unsourced statement to here for review

message: Why is there no reference to the yima of the Avesta? He is identical with Yama! Also according to Harivamsa Purana chapter nine Yama was a brother of manu vaivasvatha, who is also an important person but not mentioned in the article.--87.178.210.106 (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no reference to yima in the Avesta? 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dharma (Hinduism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Farang Rak Tham  (Talk) 23:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dharma (Hinduism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: So is he equivalent to Hades?  Also, he seems to be the same figure from Buddhism, as both are judges of the dead, and reside in Naraka/the Narakas Booger-mike (talk) 21:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association with Pluto 

message: Yama should be merged into this article and resulting article should be moved to Yama per WP:PRIMARY Capankajsmilyo(Talk | Infobox assistance) 13:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I strongly disagree with this merge proposal.  While the WP:PRIMARY rationale is obviously wrong, my reason is different:  Yama has been seminal to many cultures and this article allows for the exploration of Yama for Hindus in detail. A similar model can be found in many other articles even within Hinduism, such as Hindu denominations.(20040302 (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The proposer probably means something like Indra, Vishnu, Balarama, Kamadeva, etc. All these deities have significance in Budh.. and Jain.. too .💠245CMR💠.•👥📜 14:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Merging all Yama articles won't make sense. For example, Buddhist Indra and Brahma have separate articles -- Sakra (Buddhism) and Brahma (Buddhism) respectively. Yama (Buddhism) can remain separate. .💠245CMR💠.•👥📜 17:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  As per the original proposal, Yama is a Hindu deity, who has significance in other religions too. According to me, the article Yama is useless with some info Yama in other religions. It is much better to merge it into this article and all the info of Yama should be transferred into in other religion section. .245CMR.•👥📜 17:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

text: Oppose merge; the Yama article acts as a * in WP:SUMMARY form, with major subtopics having separate pages. So, the current arrangement works. Klbrain (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Yama

message: How can Yama be associated with a planet that wasn't discovered until the 1930s? Notice that the source has no Sanskrit word for the planet. 24.185.137.174 (talk) 01:16, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pluto 

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