Talk:Venial sin

message: If no one provides a citation for the Bible differentiating between "sins unto death" and sins that aren't unto death, then I'm going to remove that claim. Jonathan Tweet 15:52, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation provided, 1 John 5:16-17: "Suppose you see your brother or sister commit a sin. But that sin is not the kind that leads to death. Then you should pray for them. And God will give life to them. I'm talking about someone whose sin does not lead to death. But there is a sin that does lead to death. I'm not saying that you should pray about that. Every wrong thing we do is sin. But there are sins that do not lead to death." Some older versions use "unto death" rather than "lead to death." Eron 16:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. So there is "a" sin that leads to death. How should we reflect that there is one mortal sin mentioned in the Bible? Jonathan Tweet 16:30, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 

message: 1 John 16-17:
"If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly." (from the New American Bible)
This verse diffrentiates between venial and mortal sins. Venial sin is not "deadly", but mortal sins are "deadly." This means that if someone commits one or more mortal sins and dies without recieving God's forgiveness, that person would have eternal death in Hell. But if someone commits one or more unforgiven venial sins only, and not unforgiven mortal sins, they would have eternal life in Heaven after they die.--Basketballplayer08 (talk) 04:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1 John 16-17 venial and mortal sin 

message: Hello  once again I have reverted your addition. This article is primarily about venial sin and so we should strive to give the topic prominence, rather than slipping in 'mortal sin' wherever possible. Secondly, your edit introduced at least one grammatical error. Please use more care when inserting words in mid-sentence. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 22:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello  .  I have attempted to reach out to you about this edit and you have ignored me, so I stated I would go forth with edits I thought were right. I am not defining mortal sin, so it is not prominent at all. Venial sin involves the definition of grave matters just as much as mortal sin definition. My apologies on not locating a grammatical error. I would, yet again, like to ask for your input so I may edit again. I am firm in believing this page is incomplete, as one would have to go through yet another article if not two to understand its subject matter without any prior knowledge. If it is relevant to venial sin, I believe that it has a place in the article. Thank you for the comment. Ramsabeoulve (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , "grave" is mentioned 5 times already in this article, and "mortal" is hugely prominent. I think we should invest more time speaking about the topic which is venial sin and I will continue to delete your efforts to make "mortal sin" more prominent. That is WP:COATRACK territory! Elizium23 (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Yes, I understand it is mentioned. However, it is not defined. Upon first arriving to this wikipedia page that was what I noticed. What is "grave"? To understand that, I had to go to other Wikipedia pages, which is inefficient for such a simple definition. The only reason I have for adding more mentions of "mortal sin" is not to define it but to separate how venial sin is different- is that not what the page is defining? What makes a sin venial and what a venial sin is, unlike a mortal sin? I apologize again for making edits that displeased you, but I do not see how I am straying towards WP:COATRACK territory. I would love if you could give me some sort of advice or basis on how to enhance this flaw in the article, if you have any ideas. You seem unhappy with my way of approaching it so far. I've reached out before for your feedback and I am still willing to receive this feedback and to work with you to make this page better. Ramsabeoulve (talk) 23:23, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , 'mortal sin' is linked in this article. That's all you need to do to find out what 'grave' is, to visit the other article. That's what a Wiki is for, to visit other linked articles for definitions. This article does not define 'grave' because it is not the article to do it in. Elizium23 (talk) 23:26, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I see that. However I don't see what makes this article less important than the mortal sin Wiki article, which very clearly defines what makes a matter grave. They are sister concepts, it would seem, and I do not need to visit the Venial Sin article to understand Mortal sin: why should I need to read Mortal sin to understand Venial sin? Wikipedia is intended to give you linked articles for definitions, yes, I understand, but I do not have this problem with many other concepts, even such close ones as Mortal Sin. As for you saying that this article does not have to do with grave matter, I disagree heavily. Both mortal and venial deal with this definition and I feel it should be present in either both or neither. Where I see it now, I think that this Wikipedia page is incomplete because of this simple lacking information. I am a student working on enhancing this page as an assignment, I really truly genuinely would like your or someone's input on how to fix this in a way that pleases you or others as fellow editors. I am not here to argue my way is right, I am a new editor still learning how to go about things efficiently.   Ramsabeoulve (talk) 23:34, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I will turn it around on you and ask why you think the article on mortal sin should spend WP:UNDUE space defining what is a venial sin? Elizium23 (talk) 23:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

text: , what is sin? What is God? What is a relationship? These are all definitions that could be included in this article, but are not? Why not? Elizium23 (talk) 23:40, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , If you truly think that brief inclusion of a concept-specific definition has no place in the mortal sin article then feel free to remove it, . I have no place editing that article, myself. It was not I who put that definition there. God and Relationships are not specific to these concepts, but "grave matter" is. You sound as if you are angry with me, and I again would like to simply ask what you think my course of action should be with this article. Please, I encourage anything you can give me that is constructive. Ramsabeoulve (talk) 23:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I think your course of action should be to find and contribute more reliable secondary sources on venial sin, because there is at least one "" in a critical place. Catechism articles on venial sin, Church Fathers, St. Thomas Aquinas, books, things like that would be useful. Elizium23 (talk) 23:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Thank you for the input. I will keep this in mind next time I seek to make an edit to this page. Hopefully after some work and careful review, I can make a better edit.  Ramsabeoulve (talk) 00:09, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mortal sin additions 

message: As a non-Christian, I could really use some examples of venial versus mortal sinning, with explanations as to why they are classified as such. Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 17:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples?