Talk:Deinstitutionalisation

message: Article looks OK, probably could use some flow improvements.  Also:
* I've got a few sources stating that deinstitutionalization has really only moved inmates from state hospitals to prisons.  Meaning, they were released, now those diagnosed with mental illness commit crimes, move into prisons, can't follow prison rules due to their mental illness, get moved to in-prison psych wards or mental health treatment areas.  Considering 15% of prisoners in the U.S. have been diagnosed with a mental illness, it seems like an important thing to mention for this article.
Thoughts? Chupper 19:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is kind of everywhere. The proponents of deinstitutionalization say that life is more pleasant for them outside but they end up in prisons often. Essentially they are unpredictable and the number of people who have been stabbed or killed is disheartening. Just the other week an ambulance man, father of children, was stabbed to death in a Sydney McDonald by an unpredictable. Makes your blood boil. Wrong priorities. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:4C38:7DB7:6731:37E4 (talk) 07:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks guys for your comments.  Once I get some time I'll throw in some cites, and try to get working on this article too.  You also bring up a good point Aliman about the simplicity of my previous statement.  You're right, there is more to it than that - but that was probably the bottom line.  Saying that they are not in prisons - I would have to disagree.  I work in a prison and the numbers estimating populations of people with mental disorders are probably being conservative and may be higher than they really are.  I know that comment is original research, but probably no more OR than your blog - which I also took a look at - its interesting.  FYI, though, I hate the term medical model and I don't think anyone in the field, clinically or academically, seriously labels their treatment as a "medical model."  This recovery model, as you define it, may already be in place for those suffering mild conditions.  No matter what your "model", most mental health professionals are trying to get the person to be able to function in life - not just to treat the symptoms.  ANyway, I'm not sure if that debate is necessary here at this article though.  Maybe something for mental health or another topic. Chupper (talk) 14:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvements 

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message: "... while others with extreme personality disorders, such as paranoid schizophrenia may be aggressive to family, neighbors and strangers."
Paranoid schizophrenia is not a personality disorder.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.17.228 (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Definition 

message: I came to this article doing some research for my personal journal. I have a relative in one of the few remaining "institutions."  The article needs some work.  First, nobody correctly defines institutionalization, or finds the first uses of the term, next key motivations and interested parties are not addressed.  There is no mention of "warehousing" or mention of psychiatric successes that led people to concentrate mentally retarded and mentally ill into locations where they could access care and be protected, as opposed to being victimized, homeless, or in prison. There is little mention of the abuses of the system and no mention of the political will it took to stop this process.  Though I don't remember specifics, I do remmember that several presidential candidates and presidents have spoke to this issue in stirring terms, regarding the need to change the well-intentioned but misguided trend toward institutionalization and medicalization.  This should be a great, informative article. Flkevin (talk) 07:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some changes 

message: This article switches from US to UK spelling all throughout it. The title is deinstitutionalisation, the lead says deinstitutionalization. MOS:ENGVAR
I can go through the article changing it, but which should I use, US or UK? Without responses I will default to the article title (UK) in a few weeks. --Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 10:42, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Y Done, still needs more copyediting. --Matthew Thompson talk to me bro! 08:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  US or UK spelling? 

message: I actually happen to like Thomas Szasz, but I don't think the paragraph with his criticism belongs in the intro of the article.  It would be more appropriate integrated into the United States section. --Galaxiaad (talk) 04:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Szasz in intro 

message: Perhaps there are too many levels of headings here? Could "worldwide" be eliminated or "United States" be hived off into a new article or section.
Currently we have: Worldwide -> North America -> United States - > Subsections. 
The South America section is lost at the end of the article - by the time you reach it you've forgotten you were reading a list of continents.
I'm not sure what the rules or etiquette are here so I'm not making any changes beyond reducing the size of one of the headings which was out of line with the others. Dichohecho (talk) 09:36, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: The first paragraph that was added to the Consequences section (first appearing in this revision https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deinstitutionalisation&oldid=857707859) seems to express opinions and to lack neutrality in places. I think it could and should be revised to fix that problem. I don't know if anyone is watching this page, but I will check back and perhaps offer a revision to fix this problem if no one else does, unless there are objections. Llewkcalbyram (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Some editing has been done to improve neutrality, by me and others. We need to counterbalance the criticisms more. It's an odd situation, because all the talk you find about the effects deinstitutionalisation tends to be negative, and yet I don't see anyone campaigning to reverse it. Perhaps it's because the benefits are simple and self-evident. Anywikiuser (talk) 11:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consequences section neutrality  

message: The article regarding Ireland mentions the high levels of institutionalisation in Ireland and also mentions the high levels of unmarried individuals in state facilities. Should this article mention the role of Mother and baby homes or the Magdalene laundries to explain these differences. Eamonn Cooper (talk) 15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Republic of Ireland mention Mother and Baby Homes?