Talk:Nikos Kazantzakis

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Should his flag and place of birth be switched to "ottoman empire" instead of Greece? --Paolorausch (talk) 05:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not wrong at all - more of "he stirred so many hornets when he assaulted the nest of tradition, it was unclear which sting hurt most" (my phrasing just now, in his spirit.)You mentioned the simplification & modernization of Greek. He discarded the traditional meter and used is own extremely rare one. His theology itself first passed ancient Olympian, and then passed modern Christianity to work toward a collaborative theology. See Kimon Friar's Introduction to the Odyssey sequel. TaoPhoenix (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you mention Church's aphorism, make sure to have facts, I wouldn't be surprised if the case can not be investigated clearly today. I recall from a couple biographies of Kazantzakis that the aphorism came as a result of destain some church leaders felt specifically for the book "Captain Michael" (the one written based on his father, secondary title "Freedom or Death"). It could also be mentioned that not all greek priests see him as a negative influence today. I know personally of a priest in Crete, Greece, that openly admits he likes reading Kazantzakis' books. (In Crete he had always more acceptance and was normally burried by the orthodox christian church (which is independed from the church of greece), Kazantzakis was born in crete's current capital). --Fs 09:27, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  IIRC, he gave a response to the church of the type "Παπάδες με καταραστήκατε, εγώ σας δίνω την ευλογία μου" (priests, you cursed me, I give you my benediction), or sth like that. There are a couple of biographies in english that should include that, the kazantakis museum in crete (in his birth place, a village), should have lots of information around those details. --Fs 17:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the fact about his excommunication is a bit ironic. Although many christian clergymen did condemn him, according to the research of a Greek journalist, typically, his aphorism was never officially applied, because the Ecumenical Patriarch never signed it. The Last Temptation was also included in Index Librorum Prohibitorum. --Dada 18:26, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I included his response to the greek orthodox church and the Vatican in the article. --Dada 18:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "movie banned from greek theaters" this sounds like a total ban. I know personally of people that watched it in a theater there. I'll changed it to 'some theaters' and btw, some references on the matter would be better. --161.76.99.106 08:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Are there any sources that specifically call Kazantzakis a philosopher? There is little in the article that suggests this term applies to him, and The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy and The Oxford Companion to Philosophy, both standard reference works, don't include him. UserVOBO (talk) 22:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philosopher? 

message: I thought he was a Greek Orthodox, but this source claims that he was indeed a agnostic, without a belief in God or afterlife. I am not sure if it is totally accurate anyway.Mistico (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he would have to be considered an agnostic even if he wrote to the Greek Orthodox Church when he was excommunicated: "The Church of Greece condemned Kazantzakis' work. His reply was: "You gave me a curse, Holy fathers, I give you a blessing: may your conscience be as clear as mine and may you be as moral and religious as I", like its stated in the entry.Mistico (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A regular religious practice or his agnosticism would just need a strong reliable source. Adherents.com is not that. Span (talk) 15:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll ask someone to please provide that RS then.Mistico (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This link might be of interest; in it, a Greek Orthodox monk says that Kazantzakis' view of Christ was essentially Nestorian and that is why he was condemned. That does seem to make sense. It'd be interesting to read about the Assyrian Church of the East's reaction to him, and to see if they defended him while so many other Christian groups were condemning him. FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Unless I'm misreading it, the in-entry transcription of his epitaph is spelled differently from what's actually in the picture. Any reason? The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 21:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The epitaph reads: Δεν ελπίζω τίποτα. Δε φοβούμαι τίποτα. Είμαι λέφτερος.  The fifth word is wrtten with ou ligature. Wassermaus (talk) 16:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling/register of epitaph 

message: Intro text makes him sound like he wrote a movie script. It was not his only work, and the actual book is not just like the movie. 
For the The Last Temptation I agree, it does show on screen a more close resemblance of the mood of his actual writing. --fs 20:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much 'zorba the greek' to be honest. 

message: This source says he was born 2 December 1885, and refers to the fact that some sources give an alternative date of 18 February 1883.  That is, it is explicitly denying the February 1883 date.  The December 1885 date appears elsewhere in sources.  
So, why are there two dates in the literature, and which one is correct, and how do we know?  Also, is either of these dates as per the Julian calendar in force in Greece at the time of his birth, or have they been converted to their Gregorian counterparts?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of birth issues

message: Here we read:
"1954. The Pope places "The Last Temptation " on the Roman Catholic Index of Forbidden Books. Kazantzakis telegraphs the Vatican a phrase from the Christian apologist Tertullian: "Ad tuum, Domine, tribunal appello" (I lodge my appeal at your tribunal, Lord)."
New York Times, April 29 1954 reported: "VATICAN FORBIDS NOVEL; Volume by Kazantzakis, Greek Author, Is Put on Index"
The article writing about the same event uses 1955. What is the correct year/date?--Њонгарфан (talk) 08:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year 1954 or 1955?