Talk:Fikret Abdić

message: OK, this is NOT neutral. I don't even know where to begin with the problems.
OK, then I'll remove tag until you find out what's wrong with the article. --Ante Perkovic 23:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: User:Zlatko uploaded the photo :Image:Abdic.jpg claiming "Self-made" and GFDL (LOL). I tracked the source and filled in  Non-free media rationale, but I'm not certain whether it satisfies our policy. Can anyone shed some light please? Duja► 07:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: One of tha biased sources is Joksimović's column which doesn't containt the claim placed in the article (Joksimović at Serbianna.com), and Joksimović is well know by its anti-muslim statements. So it is not the best kind of source here, because this article is related to Serbs and Bosniaks, so we should use neutral sources, not written by Serbs, neither by Bosniaks. Grandy Grandy 14:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The International Strategic Studies Association is a reliable and respected body. Just because you personally dislike what it has to say does not make it factually incorrect. Hereward77 20:01, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not about ISSA, it is about the author: (Joksimović at Serbianna.com), well known by its anti-muslim statements. Stop pushing POV here. This topic is related to Serbs, and radical Serb propaganda about their "enemies" is not a good source for the topic which involves Serbs and their "enemies". Neutral sources should be used per WP:RS. This is just silly, because your "fact" is based on a sentence (precisely two words) not even related to the topic. Grandy Grandy 19:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about the ISSA because it is the source. The ISSA is respected American think-tank that just happens to have an ethnic Serb among its team of analysts. Is that a crime? The fact that the author is sympathetic to Abdic, a Muslim, rather proves that he isn't "anti-Muslim". I'd say the only person filled with hatred here is you. Hereward77 22:43, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice exercise in personal attacks, boys. Now, could you please take the debate to the Autonomous Province of Western Bosnia article, as it's hardly pertaining to Abdić personally, especially the quote from an unnamed person. Duja► 12:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mine was a statement of fact, he hates people like you Duja. Perhaps you should get your priorities right, Wikipedia should not submit to the CNN version of history. The quote is pertinent because it illustrates the political divisions within the Bosniak community. Izetbegovic led a political-religious faction within the community, he did not represent all Muslims. Hereward77 15:23, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As I originally wrote most of the article, I'm fairly sure there exists a direct statement from an Abdić's interview somewhere among the refs or x-links, with a similar meaning. It would probably be better to use it instead, not because the ISSA is disputed as a source, but because it would provide his own opinions on the issue. I gotta run now, but I'll try to find it tomorrow if I find some time.As for the "mujaheddin" thingo, I'm ambivalent. I've witnessed it used a lot as a joker for extra- and intra-Wikipedian Serbo-Bosnian propagandistic arguments, especially in the context of recent War on Terror. There certainly were foreign mujaheddins in the Bosnian War; how significant their role actually was is subject of a dispute (and POV-pushing). Offhand, I'd categorize their persistent mentioning in the articles under WP:UNDUE but I'm not overly knowledgeable on the issue, admittedly.As for , I've just check his contribs before, found nothing particularly problematic, and I'm inclined to WP:AGF at the moment, although he's hardly a brand new user. Duja► 15:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dr. Yossef Bodansky, Director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, is the best on the subject. Bodansky has written many articles and his books Offensive in the Balkans (1995) and Some Call It Peace (1996) expose widespread Islamic terrorist operations in the Balkans. So far, nobody has adequately countered Dr. Bodansky's research. Hereward77 16:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Obviously you are not here to improve articles, but to push your/Yossef's POV, which is not related to this article, by the way. Grandy Grandy 13:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because CNN never mentioned it, does not mean it didn't happen. Bodansky is a respected analyst. Hereward77 22:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral sources 

message: Timouctou, where is the problem with nationality? --Wüstenfuchs 10:46, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are confusing ethnicity and nationality again. Never did he say he was a Croat, and the only source you have for that claim is a) rather vague, and b) neither Bosnian nor Croatian. Furthermore, where's the source saying his religion is "Sunni Muslim"? Timbouctou (talk) 01:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Serbian state television is reliable and neutral source on the question, the good reason for that is because they are "neither Bosnian nor Croatian". Many sources also published that "after the war" Abdić declared himself a Croat and eventually he gained the citizenship. As for my "confusion" of nationality - see the article about the subject. The nationality is considered ethnicity in number of cases even in English language (in Croatian we all know what nacionalnost or narodnost means). About his faith, all Bosnian Muslims are Sunnis, that is, those who are Muslims by faith. I think that Abdić isn't an agnostic or atheist... but whatever, not important anyway. --Wüstenfuchs 11:36, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In the English language there is a distinction between "Croat" vs. "Croatian" and "Serb" vs. "Serbian". We don't have that distinction in our language, hence your (and Serbian TV's) confusion. Also, a person does not need to switch his or hers ethnic self-description to be eligible for citizenship, i.e. Abdić could have been given a Croatian passport for any number of reasons, regardless of his ethnicity. As for religion, you would need a source in which he subject described himself as a Muslim, especially if he is still alive. We don't let third parties determine somebody's religion as it is a personal issue. So you just keep on jumping to conclusions. Timbouctou (talk) 11:57, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But you haven't seen the lede of the nationality article. I know there is a difference between "Croat" and Croatian". His daughter is also a Croat, so he probably did declared himself as a Croat, as source says. And the Serbian TV was probably speaking about ethnicity/nationality (not citizenship). --Wüstenfuchs 12:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, his daughter is not a Croat and neither is he. Timbouctou (talk) 18:45, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree he isn't, see the beginning of the discussion. But his daughter acctualy is, beside the source I provided, the Constitution says that Croat representatives in the Parliament of Bosnia and Herzegovina acctualy must be Croats [The House of Peoples shall comprise 15 Delegates, two-thirds from the Federation (including five Croats and five Bosniacs) and one-third from the Republika Srpska (five Serbs)"]. --Wüstenfuchs 19:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

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