Talk:Hand washing

message: This article desperately needs a history section. Hand washing played a major historical role in the development of the modern germ theory of disease. I thinking mostly of the work by Ignaz Semmelweis. I don't think the current generation appreciates how devastating bad hygiene was on health before germs were understood(and still is in third-world countries!). Some historical numbers indicating the impact of hand washing belongs in this article. 129.63.129.196 (talk) 18:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you and have made a start on this. I hope others will help by adding more information and high quality references.EvM-Susana (talk) 21:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section Needed - made a start 

message: When I have the time, I would like to add more information about the relevance of handwashing for the situation in developing countries. Some information from the article on Global Handwashing Day could also be used for this (simple intervention to reduce pneumonia and diarrhoea for example).EvM-Susana (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have copied some information across from the article on Global Handwashing Day regarding health impacts in developing countries. More is needed. I also added "developing countries" as a sub-heading in the history section. Would it be better to have a dedicated sub-heading (Level 1) just for developing countries? Probably not. But I would still like to see some information being added about simple handwashing devices or group handwashing activities in schools.EvM-Susana (talk) 21:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have just added some more information about low-cost handwashing devices in developing countries. More work still needed, e.g. on the group handwashing activities in schools.EvM-Susana (talk) 12:46, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More references needed towards situation in developing countries - lack of handwashing kills children 

message: Apparently there is a lack of information about the cost-effectiveness of handwashing progammes, however I am told there is a well known WB review from 2006 which I have added as a table.  If anyone finds a more recent review, this would be interesting information to include. JMWt (talk) 10:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I like the table, but am just wondering if it contains a bit much jargon (add hyperlinks for the different interventions?). Is the term "intervention" easy to understand? Should this perhaps be moved into a dedicated section about developing countries because it doesn't have relevance for countries of the North? The average reader might be confused otherwise what we mean here with cost effectiveness as the rest of the article deals more with medical aspects (except for the parts on developing countries that I recently added). The issues are a bit different for countries of the global North and South, I think (although some are the same).EvM-Susana (talk) 12:23, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hum, I'm not sure where it is best to go or how to format it.  I think it might be a bit cluttered if there are wikilinks to all the terms, but then I hadn't really thought about how easy it is to understand (or how easy to be misunderstood - obviously the costs cannot apply to every handwashing programme, they are just averages). On the other hand, I think it is important to illustrate that at least some think that handwashing is a cost-effective health intervention system. JMWt (talk) 12:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Cost effectiveness

message: Is the summary of the article a complete, thorough, and concise introduction to the topic? How do you think the summary could be improved? Which meaningful data are missing? Is there something that you find too much detailed for a general overview of the topic?
The summary is complete. Reference related to CDC statement is missing and should be inserted. Some of the global figures (available in the “public health” section) could be moved here to provide the reader with some data on hand washing practices.
The cultural references may be too much detailed for the introduction, since there is a separate section related to them.
: I have removed the CDC statement as this is from the section of their website relating to sanitation on cruise ships. If we're going to use this kind of quote, we're going to have to find a better source on the CDC website. JMWt (talk) 10:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally speaking I agree that the lead could be improved, although we might need to think about which figures to include. I'm of two minds about the cultural practices - it seems important to mention, but then maybe it is too detailed. JMWt (talk) 10:09, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality of the Summary

message: "based on 'The Ayliffe Technique' developed by Graham Ayliffe et al (2000)"
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: What page supports?

message: User:Doc James you had deleted the recently added word "ash" from the lead. I have now put it back in but into context. I think it's good to have this in the lead (it comes later in the article, too), therefore making this article more globally applicable - there are still many people in this world who cannot easily go to a tap to wash their hands with water. OK like this? Further work is needed. EvMsmile (talk) 14:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks User:EvMsmile. Ref looks good. Have adjusted some and linked the term ash. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, however you User:Doc James have removed this part "low-income areas of developing countries" - I think this is important because a developing countries also has many households with ample tap water available! Ask anyone in India, Brazil or Kenya. Hence the qualifier. Could also be rural areas, informal settlements, slums etc. - but in any case we cannot say here developing countries in general. EvMsmile (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. I do not think we need both minor spelling differences in the first sentence. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:00, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Information about ash in the lead

message: Hi EMsmile! Thanks for your edit to the figure caption of the illustration "Hand disinfection" in the article "Hand washing". Personally, I don't mind if the DIN EN 1500 is mentioned or not. I just wanted to draw the attention to the following: AFAIK, the DIN EN 1500 was originally not intended for describing everyday hand disinfection, e.g. by health care professionals. It was developed to describe a standardized procedure for testing of hand disinfectants. Testers were required to adhere to this procedure so that the results (e.g. remaining bacteria on hands) could be compared between different suppliers. The DIN EN 1500 then became an almost standard in hand disinfection in German hospitals, although it was never developed to this end. By mentioning the DIN EN 1500 below the illustration, I wanted to give a hint to the source of this procedure, so that the reader could find the origin if they wanted to. Unfortunately I couldn't find a link to the original text of the DIN that is freely available (seems that this DIN text has to be bought). What do you think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guido4 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see. How about we say "According to the German standard DIN EN 1500 for xxx". I just find DIN EN 1500 on its own too cryptic. EMsmile (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree a little cryptic. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:39, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. I have put this back into the caption: "According to the German standard DIN EN 1500" EMsmile (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a remark on DIN EN 1500 in hand disinfection illustration... 

message: User:PlanetCare tried to make the article more readable but made some errors along the way, I partially reverted his edit. Uziel302 (talk) 10:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Uziel302. Your edits inspired me to make further edits. I moved two sentences from the lead to the main article as they were not so relevant that they needed to be in the lead. Also I moved public health information to the section about public health (formerly buried about "medical" which I see more as information about healthcare settings). EMsmile (talk) 09:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readability 

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message: I added a citation-needed tag to the part about religion, which I don't necessarily contest and appears to be in due weight, but should still be supported by sources.  If anyone wants to work on this, possibly of relevance may also be a mention of cultures where the left and right hands served different traditional roles (i.e. the left hand considered dirty, prior to modern hygiene and the germs theory of disease)...  —PaleoNeonate – 00:11, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I agree with you, Paleo (hopefully someone can chase down some references for this). EMsmile (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Society and culture 

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message: Lead section seems too long and overdetailed. --Mezze stagioni (talk) 11:55, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead is about the size expected for this article, some details have been removed for simplicity, but other areas added in my latest edit. If anything, I was expecting a request to add COVID-19 and correct handwashing techniques to the lead. AnyOwl (talk) 11:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you, . I think the lead needs to be made longer (about 4 paragraphs) to become a good summary of the article. A sentence about Covid-19 in the lead would also be good. EMsmile (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section too long and overdetailed 

message: I have just moved a few paragraphs to the sub-article on hand sanitizer as too much weight was given to this topic here. I think we should actually compress that section even further. We could also think about replacing it with an excerpt from the lead of hand sanitizer, taking the first two paragraphs from there. EMsmile (talk) 02:46, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved content about "hand sanitizer" 

message: I have just reverted back an edit made by User:2604:3D09:37F:E110:D10:FAAA:C302:D0C1‎  who had written in the edit summary: "Reverted the fundamentally dangerous to the fundamental integrity of public health of society edits made by the subsequent user. This version stood for 6 months unmolested." How can you call good faith edits of fellow a Wikipedian "molestation"? That's rude. The reason why I disagree with having two long bullet point lists about how to wash hands in the lead section is because the lead section is meant to be a summary of the entire article. Furthermore, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a "how to" guide. EMsmile (talk) 04:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted changes with affected the lead 

message: Ayliffe isn't at present mentioned in Hand washing, which seems the natural place for this information. PamD 17:46, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In particular, how does the Ayliffe technique differ from the CDC technique described in detail in this article? PamD 17:49, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Ayliffe Technique]] into [[Hand washing]]