Talk:Albert, Duke of Prussia

message: Who called it a "cow trade"? As a Lutheran, Albrecht did not need the Pope's approval. He had sworn loyalty to Sigismund, so he did not need the emperor's approval either. What does this add? Danny
:Both, the pope and the emperor. Albrecht was until then the Catholic Grand master and Sigismund I was his uncle. Needless to say, that neither the emperor nor the pope agreed, after all it was imperial and papal land.
user:H.J.
::Hm, interesting. But what did it have to do with cows? – Kpalion (talk) 02:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Half of the interwikis have him born May 16, half on May 17. Any reliable sources for either date? Kusma (討論) 01:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthday 

message: Which one do you think should be used for an official entry in Wikipedia?
Should it be "Albert I, Duke of Prussia" or "Albrecht von Hohenzollern"?
I think since he came from the Hohenzollern family, then this is the name that he should be under in Wikipedia.
Your thoughts?
Norum 18.06.06
:Take a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). As he was not a king, the title should be "{Monarch's first name and ordinal}, {Title} of {Country}". Family names are rarely included in article titles concerning rulers. Also, the ordinal should not be listed, as he is primarily known without it instead of with it. Olessi 22:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert I, Duke of Prussia vs. Albrecht von Hohenzollern 

message: http://www.thepeerage.com/p11293.htm#c112930.2
Albrecht Herzog in Preußen was born on 17 May 1490 at Ansbach, Germany. He was the son of Friedrich V Markgraf von Brandenburg-Ansbach and Zofia Jagellon, Królewna Polska. He married, firstly, Dorothea Oldenburg, Princess of Denmark, daughter of Frederik I Oldenburg, King of Denmark and Anne von Hohenzollern, in 1526. He married, secondly, Anne Marie von Braunschweig-Kalenberg, daughter of Erich I Herzog von Braunschweig-Kalenberg and Elisabeth von Hohenzollern, in 1550. He died on 20 March 1568 at age 77 at Tapiau.
He gained the title of Herzog in Preußen in 1525.
However there is a person who was born with the name Albrecht von Hohenzollern. It was one of his sons who was born in 1539 and died in the same year.
All of his six children bear the last name Hohenzollern but Albert was not born with this name he married into it.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Central16 (talk • contribs) 04:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Albert of Prussia = Albrecht Herzog

message: Shouldn't this be at Albert, Duke of Prussia, not Albert, Duke in Prussia? He is most commonly known as "Duke of Prussia" in English (WP:UCN), not "Duke in Prussia", and the former title complies with WP:NCROY (European monarchs whose rank is below that of King (e.g., Grand Dukes, Electors, Dukes, Princes), should be at the location "{Monarch's first name and ordinal}, {Title} of {Country}".). Olessi (talk) 04:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: That doesn't seem accurate. There were military grand masters into the twentieth century and the order continues to exist today in altered form, with a Grand Master as its head. john k (talk) 05:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Grand Master? 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Support - Search reveals overwhelming majority for "of Prussia" in sources. Also "in Prussia" and "of Prussia" are not exact synonyms and denote a slightly different position (atleast in German) - looking through the article there is no evidence, he would be called "in Prussia". GermanJoe (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey