Talk:Hare Krishna (mantra)

message: Hari Om, It could be included that the Maha Mantra is usualy chanted in reverse order than how it is presented here:
 Hare Raama Hare Raama, Raama Raama Hare Hare;
 Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare.
::Do not think you will have any sources mentioning it? Will you? Wikidās ॐ 21:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pujya Sivananda Maharaj could be mentioned!

message: The mantra is widespread throughout India, and is chanted by Shaivites and Vaishnavites alike, so there is no need to mention individual saints who teach this mantra, or the page would be filled with hundreds of names.  It should be mentioned that many Hindus are more familiar with the original sequence of the mantra (HR-HK), which reflects the historical order in which the two avatars appeared. The traditional sequence was altered by the 16th cent. Bengali saint Caitanya Mahaprabhu to reflect his special devotion to Krishna (HK-HR), and this "reformed" sequence is the one that was popularized in the 20th century by A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami. The mantra continues to be recited in its original form (HR-HK) in many Hindu devotional communities around the world. In practice the sequence doesn't matter, since when one chants three or more rounds of the mantra, the sequence of the names quickly becomes obscured (HR-HK-HR-HK-HR-HK-HR)
Two spiritual leaders do merit special mention because of their historical impact: Caitanya Mahaprabhu and A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami. Founding a sect (Gaudiya Vaishnavism) whose influence is still widespread 500 years later, Caitanya Mahaprabhu made three historically significant contributions. He (1) elevated Krishna above the other gods in the Hindu pantheon, even above Vishnu himself; (2) altered the sequence of the mantra to reflect this change; and (3) promoted mantra repetition as more important than other traditional spiritual practices such as yajna, puja, and meditation. Equally significant is his lineage descendant, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami, who introduced the Gaudiya Vaishnav form of the mantra worldwide in the mid-20th century.
Izmi (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Should individual saints be mentioned? and the sequence of the mantra

message: Hey, the guy told me to put this here. Can somebody please fix this and put it on the article?
हर कृषण हर कृषण
कृषण कृषण हर हर
हर राम हर राम
राम राम हर हर
(This is wrong, but I do not know how to make the proper shape appear. There should be a diagonal mark starting at the right hand top corner of the word हर (hare), and going diagonally upwards, as in the image.)  David G Brault 21:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Devanagari

message: This article is overly biased towards Iskcon movement. Hare Krishna chanting has been done all over India every day for thousands of years before ISKCON made it famous in the west. I am including a link to a non-ISKCON Hare Krishna Chanting.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Rath yatra 17:37, 29 Oct 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Rath yatra, articles regarding ISKCON and Gaudiya Math already exist elsewhere. This article describes the Hare Krishna mantra specifically. I do not see any purpose in having a disambiguation page. Wikipedia is written in English language for an international audience, and includes details of relevant current and past events. It is significant to note that it became well known on an international basis from the 60's and 70's due to modern Gaudiya movements. If you have any neutral details to add, please discuss them here. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 09:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: missed a हरे राम in the middle there, 70.176.40.66. No prem for you!Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Iskcon centric article

message: I will look into having a seperate article for ISKCON and a seperate article for the mantra itself. 
Alternatively, we could just merge the ISKCON parts with the ISKCON wikipedia article?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Rath yatra 17:41, 29 Oct 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Rath yatra, articles regarding ISKCON and Gaudiya Math already exist elsewhere. This article describes the Hare Krishna mantra specifically. I do not see any purpose in having a disambiguation page. Wikipedia is written in English language for an international audience, and includes details of relevant current and past events. It is significant to note that it became well known on an international basis from the 60's and 70's due to modern Gaudiya movements. If you have any neutral details to add, please discuss them here. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 09:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: missed a हरे राम in the middle there, 70.176.40.66. No prem for you!Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 20:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation page

message: GourangaUK,
I also agree with you. I'm just saying that every external link is an ISKCON and Gaudiya Math link. I want to give mention to other traditions. Also, see your talk page regarding linking to youtube.
Rath yatra 02:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with including a range of relevant links, however I feel the article does present accurate information. Although of historically-distant origins (described within the article) the Hare Krishna mantra became far more well-known throughout India due to Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's influence, and the Gaudiya Vaishnava movement that followed. It is also this branch of Vaishnavism which has focused more exclusively on the mantra. Thus I don't believe it is not incorrect to point this (and the influence of the later international movements) out in the article. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 12:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I agree

message: Praphus,
In the popular culture, The song "Bow Down, Mister" by Boy George should be include. It is cited on the Wikipedia article about Boy George [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_George. This was a successful release.
 He also covered "My Sweet Lord".
Also In the hymn Vishnu Sahasranama spoken by Bhishma in praise of Krishna after the Kurukshetra war, he is also called Rama.[5]
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare 
Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare 
Tony  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonstarr (talk • contribs) 19:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: Seems the article is the subject to some vandalism. I think we should remove this line:
Krishna and Rama refer to God himself, meaning "He who is All american-Attractive" 
Dunno if I should92.8.140.197 (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: My grandson  8 years old just died and he had told me of s story about a boy and a lion. It was something he had heard at the temple. Does any one know of this story. I'm not a devotee. Please help  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.0.189 (talk) 02:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hare Krishna, The story to which you refer is most likely that of Narasimha, the half-man, half-lion avatar. Sorry to hear about your grandson. Jonchapple (talk) 11:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the boy and the lion 

message: The tone is not neutral, even though the actual content might be fairly accurate: "most genuinely Hindu", "most famous", "the story of his heroism". Referring to Philosopher2king's and Wikidās'es discussion above, this article actually is some little about ISKCON, and then it is very important to make the formulations sound neutral and encyclopedic so that proponents, contrahents and neutral thirders can use the article all alike. ... said: Rursus (bork²) 15:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone of section "Hare Krishna" 

message: please stop moving this article without discussion. "Hare Krishna" is first and foremost the name (and half of text) of the mantra discussed here. 
See the hatnote for other uses. --dab (𒁳) 15:15, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moves

message: I have a problem with the current name for the article, because it appears to be misleading to the general audience. When people look up "Hare Krishna" on Wiki, they are most likely expecting to read an article on the Hare Krishna movement, or ISKCON, because ISKCON is almost universally colloquially referred to as "Hare Krishna" and not so much by the acronym.  I have just had a first-hand experience of this ambiguity having to pipe to ISKCON numerous references to the Hare Krishna temple in Mantra-Rock Dance and a handful of related articles, including scurrying with a last-minute correction in the DYK set for the Main page. 
I suggest that we improve the article by renaming it to "Hare Krishna mantra" with "Hare Krishna chant" as a synonym, while "Hare Krishna" has to be linked to "ISKCON". This will be much more straight-forward and user-friendly and will spare most of the readers the cumbersome trouble of having to read and follow relinks in the hat-note to get to what they are most likely looking for by "Hare Krishna" - ISKCON. And, yes, MUCH less pipes. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 20:35, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply, Dbachmann. May I ask you to elucidate on how exactly linking Hare Krishna to a disambiguation page instead of an actual article will take care of the excessive piping and inconvenient searches? Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 08:00, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

text: For lack of arguments to the contrary, I went ahead and renamed the page. Please let me know what you think. Cinosaur (talk) 20:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Added DAP. Cinosaur (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename suggested 

message: Zeggi wants to treat the "Hare Krishna" page as a page about the so-called Hare Krishna movement rather than what it actually is, a traditional mantra thousands of years old. The purpose of WIkipedia is to educate readers, not to cater to their expectations. The article on Hare Krishna should present the phrase for what it is: "a mantra, or set of words used as a sacred phrase." The article should then contain sub-sections that discuss the history of the mantra, and various religious traditions, both ancient and modern, for whom this sacred phrase has special significance. One of these movements happens to be the "Hare Krishna" movement,  so called because it promotes the repetition of the HK mantra. The phrase itself does *not* refer to this movement. The phrase is thousands of years old, and the Wikipedia article *must* be organized to reflect that fact. Just because the word "How" is now being used as the brand-name for a kind of yogurt does not mean that Wikipedia should make yogurt the main focus of an article on the word "How".Izmi (talk) 14:34, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Central focus of the article

message: I found the following inserted after the 1st paragraph by Sdebbad:
ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaḿ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni-nirvāpaṇaḿ
śreyaḥ-kairava-candrikā-vitaraṇaḿ vidyā-vadhū-jīvanam
ānandāmbudhi-vardhanaḿ prati-padaḿ pūrṇāmṛtāsvādanaḿ
sarvātma-snapanaḿ paraḿ vijayate śrī-kṛṣṇa-sańkīrtanam
Not being familiar with the language, I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and didn't revert it as vandalism. Even if it is valuable to the article, though, I think it belongs here until someone can translate it. Any clues, Sdebbad? Lusanaherandraton (talk) 04:57, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign language paragraph 

message: I suggest to resize (arounf 170px) some images (specially the Hare Krishna- mantra image). --Tito Dutta (Send me a message) 13:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary/irrelevant images 

message: Since this page appears to be protected I will bring this up here. Where it says "The mantra is repeated, either out loud (kirtan), softly to oneself (japa), or internally within the mind." is incorrect. The three modes of chanting are: sung aloud (bhajan), sung in call-and-response or congregationally (kirtan), or chanted to oneself aloud or silently (japa). This isn't even a contention as the link for kirtan even says: call-and-response. This is common knowledge, but easy enough to find a reference if anyone insists. Who do we have to talk to for this correction to go through?Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 20:40, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three modes of mantra: bhajan, kirtan, japa 

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thread_title: External links modified

message: The Krishna (कृष्ण) part has been incorrectly rendered in the image. Kindly correct it.
Incorrect rendering: कृष्‌ण
Correct rendering: कृष्ण Polytope4D (talk) 03:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devanagari wrong rendering 

message: This is a blatant lie or misunderstanding from someone who does not have enough knowledge of these things. The Gaudiya Matha which is where ISKCON spun off from also chants it with Krishna's names first, and this is in fact how ALL Gaudiya Vaisnava Parivars chant it(some Asampradaya groups chant some other ways, and there is one I know of that does Rama first as well in Puri, but the Gaudiya Vaisnava community considers them to be Asmapradaya, not of our sect). Sri Gauranga Mahaprabu taught the chanting of it as well as "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna" first instead of "Hare Rama Hare Rama". I am follow the traditional Gaudiya Vaisnava ways, and am in a parivar, and to try and erase our history and say we did nothing and all our existence(which we are what spawned Gaudiya Matha, which spawned ISKCON) because they haven't read enough. Shame on them. Please research more before editing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TrivikramaDas108 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saying that ISKCON changed the Hare Krishna Mantra to put Krishna first. 

message: Added Trisha Paytas' Controversy with Hare Krishna  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegoodguyas (talk • contribs) 19:42, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it as it was unreferenced and it seems quite trivial. It is not mentioned in the article about Trisha Paytas. I don't follow Paytas closely but I am aware that, intentionally or otherwise, they are something of a drama magnet. We don't need to cover minor items of internet "controversy" such as this. If it gets some significant coverage in reliable sources then we can reconsider, but even then it would probably belong in their article, not this one. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

text: I had to look who that was up, why even mention such a person? This is about the MAHA MANTRA, not some ISCKON temple that this person visited and filmed themselves in. Searching their name and "Hare Krishna" shows a video where they don't even know how to pronounce the Bhagavad Gita, or what Krishna's name is when they show a deity of him they bought. This person doesn't have membership in ISKCON, nor do they have seemed to develop any knowledge of the philosophy. Someone trying to grab fame by manufacturing controversy is useless and shouldn't be even on ISKCON's page. That's where it WOULD belong, if it belonged anywhere, but it doesn't truly. TrivikramaDas108 (talk) 00:55, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Things