Talk:Saiō

message: I've decided to do a rewrite of this article in conjucture with a few other new articles. It seems the whole history and legend of Ise Shrine is not covered very well, which is a shame considering it is the main Shinto shrine for all of Japan. I couldn't find any info on Wikipedia on Yamatohime-no-Mikoto, for example, who is said to have founded the shrine. I'll start by first seeing what is here (the article on Ise Jingu needs expanding), and will spend some time down at Saiku Museum to make sure I get all my facts straight. This all ties in with Nachikatsuura and the Kumano Kodo so I expect it will take some time to do. Ka-ru 06:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck! I look forward to seeing the results. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added sections on the origin, role and choosing of the Saio, as well as the 2 major Saio related festivals. I have 1 or 2 photos from this years Saio Matsuri that I'll see about adding to the article. There are a number of side topics that need to be added to make this section complete. I tried my best to reference as many other relevant articles as I could from this one. Essentially the Saio is the link between Ise Shrine and the Imperial Court during the Asuka to Heian periods. The demise of the Saio system is complex and a little obscure as it basically faded out of existance during the civil war period. Saiku was only rediscovered in 1970 when they were digging foundations for new houses here in Meiwa, and excavations have revealed that the Saio residence currently sits under the Kintetsu Kashiokojima railway line, the main rail link to Ise and Shima. I'm quite surprised at how empty this whole area is on Wikipedia. Picked up some books on Japanese pre-history legends and on Shinto beliefs in Nagoya on the weekend, which should really help make these entries more complete. Ka-ru 08:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite 

message: I arrive here at this stalled mess of an RM which has been open for over a month, with no activity in 15 days. This is a very complex request, especially for someone with no particular familiarity with Japanese, to unpack. Observations:
* , the nominator, was blocked three days ago for disruptive editing per a review of their editing restrictions.
* Saiō (disambiguation) was created by  on 13 November 2023 – the same day that they submitted this requested move. It has been tagged as having  since November, making it eligible for G14 speedy deletion as an unnecessary disambiguation page.
* , that one other topic, is a redirect, which was also created by  on 13 November 2023! Nothing links to that, except the disambiguation that  created.
*  redirects to Saiin (priestess). The term is not mentioned in that article. It has not been added to the article, much less added for sufficient time to assure that it wouldn't be reverted as an invented term or vandalism. I have seen no evidence that  did not make this term up out of thin air, though I haven't tried to search for any confirmation.
* "Kamo" refers to Kamo shrines, not a priestess.
* Saiō is, currrently, primarily an .  is asserting that Saiō is also an alternative term for Saiin (priestess), . The distinction between Saiō and Saiin isn't immediately totally clear to me.
*  is also a redirect created by  on 13 November 2023! And, again, the specific term Ise Saiō is not mentioned in the target article. "Ise" seems to refer to the Ise Grand Shrine.
I'm partially closing / refactoring this RM by performing a G14 deletion of Saiō (disambiguation), to simplify the request in an attempt to ease the determination of consensus. – wbm1058 (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: From my understanding, Saiō (disambiguation) was deleted as  failed to be a valid entry per WP:DABMENTION, in which case it's not helpful at all to move Saiō to . NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uninvolved administrator analysis