Talk:Howard Stern/Archive 3

message: Why is Harmon Leon in the See Also list?
:Dunno, removed.. LilDice 19:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Harmon Leon? 

message: There is a spelling error: the word "schtick" should be changed to "shtick." So someone who can edit this page please make the correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.174.174.158 (talk • contribs) 03:30 16 February 2007
:Changed, although both spellings are valid schtick or shtick, even per the wiki, but the primary page is at shtick, and the other just redirects.(Optigan13 08:38, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error

message: Why does "Blumpkin" redirect here?
:Stern was once fined for describing the act (blowjob while on the toilet)...not sure if redirect is really valid, but that's why someone did it. LilDice 03:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More importantly.. why were you searching for Blumpkin? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HOD (talk • contribs) 13:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick Question

message: I see that stern is considered a libertarian in the categories list even though he's said many a time not to categorize him in his political views....—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcallen (talk • contribs) 
:Probably because he ran as a libertarian for Gov. of NY... LilDice 12:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that Stern equates Hedonism with Libertarianism. Jtpaladin 17:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is you know nothing about Stern! LilDice 17:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Libertarian?

message: He says in his second book that he no longer supports it becaus ethe OJ trial showed him that the poor will get sent to the chair while the rich will not.
:So cite it and add it. LilDice 17:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DEATH PENALTY

message: A section like this is problematic.  What constitutes "offensive" and "controversial"?  Answering that question opens a whole can of worms because what one may consider offensive, another may not.  The same holds true for controversy.  To have a section like that opens the door for anything anyone to add.  This article may become so long and awkward, it defeats the purpose.  Not to mention the fact that the article would no longer read like an encyclopedia entry and more like a rap sheet, violating Wikipedia's Neutral point of view policy.  Also, I question the worth of the Trivia section.  Is anything there interesting and worthwhile?  That section is also problematic.  Wikipedia discourages trivia sections, asking for you to either assimilate the item into the body of text of the article or remove it entirely.  --Bark 13:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a controversial statements section. As far as the Trivia section, I'm fine with removing it. It's all innane POV stuff. LilDice 14:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the Controversial Statements section.  I'll begin integrating and removing the Trivia section.  --Bark 14:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversial Statements and Trivia 

message: It was first reported as a budget in major newspapers and still a few select non lazy journalists will report this amid the torrential output of people who chose to get it wrong. 
People with greater journalism skills than me can easily prove this but the base inquiry could start with this
http://www.siriusbackstage.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-67344.html
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephen's black friend (talk • contribs) 
:If you read the Forbes article it lists $300 mil. as how much he makes a year and calls it a Salary, not $500 mil. This might contain a one-time $230 mil. payout. But regardless, does anyone ever claim $500 mil is his salary? LilDice 11:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So if I understand you correctly, Forbes isn't a reputable source, but a message board is?  Like LilDice said, the page doesn't even list $500,000,000 as the figure.  --Bark 18:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, if you look at http://www.secinfo.com/$/About.asp, it says quite clearly that the source is not affiliated with nor endorsed by the SEC or CSA.  Moreover, this excerpt doesn't refute the other source, which happens to be a business periodical that has been around for a while.  What seems more discomforting here is that you seem unable to "play nice" with others.  --Bark 13:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bark please relax. We're all on the same team here just trying to get the best article we can.  You can understand that we dont want to remove a cited source just because someone comes in and calls it bullshit. Now, I think you have some good points. And I do think that Forbes is including the $240 mil. in business deals in the figure, which technically isn't a salary, since he isn't payed that every year. I am actually fine with just omitting the figure if the other eds are. It is indeed speculative in nature, and not really all that notable. LilDice 14:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey baby, I'm peachy.  It seems to be a moot point now because the Forbes link has died.  However, I would appreciate it if name calling wasn't introduced to this discussion.  (See the article's history if you missed it.)  --Bark 17:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop spreading the minsinformation that the $500 Million figure is a salary, it's a budget. 

message: In the book, The Long, Dark, Tea-time of the Soul, by Douglas Adams, there is a bestselling author by the name of Howard Stern.He is actually a terrible writer, and the only reasons his books sell is because his name is absolutly perfect for printing on the front of books. I have no idea if this charectar is connected with the other Howard Stern, but I thought I'd let everyone here know. I think that Howard Stern was already on the radio by the time this book was written, but I'm not positive.
:Hmm, interesting Stern was on the air in '88 for sure. LilDice 23:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard Stern in Douglas Adams Books 

message: The 'editor' Art2006 keeps crow-barring references to a non-notable newsmax.com list of radio hosts in the article. He simply adds the reference in the middle of a normal paragraph without any respect for the article. Please Art2006, do not add it back without discussing here first. Not discussing just proves you're a spammer. Thanks! LilDice 22:21, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it's been referenced on the show recently, or a similar list, so i would say that it is notable now.  Lenn0r 07:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list you're talking about is the Talkers magazine list, newsmax.com is completely irrelevant to anything.  LilDice 11:54, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsmax.com Spam 

message: I deleted the part that stated the wccc engineer gave Stern tapes to listen to in order to do show.  That did not happen.  (Firsthand knowledge).
something tells me you're a howard fan and don't want to admit that the stuff that Dahl was doind predated Howard by two years, at the least.  (firsthand knowledge.)
:Regardless, I don't think an Unauthorized Biography is a good source for the Bio of a living person. LilDice 00:10, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually being there doesn't meet WP:V but an Unathorized biography is not much of a source either, so I'm not including it for that reason. LilDice 18:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:bizperson99 bizperson99]] 

message: Let's wait before we add this 'The Howard' silliness. It's a joke, we don't need to add every bit to the show, it will probably be irrelevant in a couple days. I'm removing for now, unless you can produce a news source calling him 'The Howard. LilDice 23:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sign your posts please, All i'm saying is wait on this. Howard was messing with the AP people as a bit with this 'The Howard' thing, it's not necessarily encyclopedic at this point. LilDice 12:28, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's an issue of whether or not it's a joke, it's more of if it is a running joke that will last. The King of All Media was one he did for a long period of time, and is fairly established at this point. I agree with Lil Dice that we don't need to add every day's info, that is what the rundowns and mark's friggin are for. If we really need to constantly update the section we can add a [current event / timing tag] somewhere on the page. (Optigan13 05:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Exactly just relax, we can discuss things before they are added. I am not 'taking charge' of the page, I am simply trying to make it the best article it can. If you want to help then that's great, but don't expect your every edit to be viewed as valuable. LilDice 14:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Told Ya So :P LilDice 20:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'The Howard' 

message: Howard TV redirects here some mention of it would be nice, it is an actual solo cable channel and some info about it would be greatly appreciated. Quadzilla99 16:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it's important, but it is already included on  the show page, so I don't know if it needs to be mentioned on his bio page. (Optigan13 20:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case I'll fix the redirect and send it the appropriate article and section. Quadzilla99 17:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Howard TV

message: I'm wondering if the article should talk more about Howard's diminishing appeal to audiences.  He's been getting rather mediocre reviews lately, and the younger generation isn't as impressed as Gen X was.
http://www.helium.com/tm/186578 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.227.79.190 (talk) 14:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's an authoratative source that says so using facts, i.e. legitimate research/statistics/etc., by all means, add it and cite the source.  However this is not the place for original research, hypotheses, or editorialization.  Whether the "diminishing appeal" argument is valid or not, the articles you cited are grossly inadequate to support it in the main article.  Mdeaton 22:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Howard Losing His Appeal

message: Just thought this should be here, Howard is apparently related to Eric Bloom (lead singer of Blue Oyster Cult somehow and also provided a voice on their album Club Ninja.  The track "When The War Comes" is the track that features his voice at the beginning.  He is not credited in the album, but I was told by Eric Bloom that this is true.
:I've never heard this you'll have to find a real source (newspaper article, etc.) if you want to add it to the Article here. 14:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blue Oyster Cult link

message: I wrote Sirius publicity and they never sent me an official headshot with permission for use, unfortunately. We really should try to get permission to use and a nice hi-res publicity shot though. Maybe someone should e-mail Fred, he respects wikipedia! LilDice 02:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what Fred's email is, but maybe someone can ask Mutt on SternFanNetwork.  --Bark 19:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont have an account at SFN,  but if someone with a connection over there can just get someone at Sirius to e-mail one of us an official publicity photo with copyright info and permission to use that would rock the current one is a really bad photo. LilDice 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Replaced with newer screen grab from HSOD. The old image was very old. LilDice 01:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize the quality isn't great. But it is more recent than the previous one, so please stop the reverting. LilDice 16:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Howard doesn't like this picture then Howard can get one of his boys to upload a recent picture with a clear view of his face, and we'll use that one instead.  --Bark 19:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Howard should like this one, I think.  --Bark 22:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can email Fred through the "Contact" section of HowardStern.com, just include your email and hopefully they'll get back to you. 68.193.87.97 21:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just did, hopefully I hear back from him. LilDice 14:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Has anyone tried the webmaster or Jason? Their addresses are at the bottom of the the rundown pages Would it be useful if several of us try to e-mail the show in the hopes that at least one of us will get a response? Also do we want to put a no free content image in the spot?[BLP_default_photo.svg](Optigan13 05:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry can we take that free image thing off? it kind of looks strange on an encyclopedia article68.193.87.97 02:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks a bit funny but it serves a purpose. If that thing gets more people to try and find a usable picture, then it's great, but if no one feels it will does us any good than by all means take it down. A flickr search for a creative commons licensed picture turns up nothing useful, but there are some good howard stern ones on there, just not cc licensed. We could contact the individuals to see if they would be willing to license one. (Optigan13 06:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just mentioning it again since I just reverted a removal of the replace this image. It looks odd but it serves a purpose. This image problem goes back over a year now, with still no luck, so I am all for anything that draws attention to the problem. Also I somehow came across this image  in one of my searches. It is from lukeisback which has a special [setup]. The only problem to me is that this looks like a publicity photo, and not just one of his usual porn star pictures. Optigan13 04:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded an image that would work for this article and is copyright free. The upload title is Howard_Stern_Rally.JPG. It won't let me edit it into the article --Dizzygillespi 16:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: After re-organizing the placement of some of the page contents, I just want to express my hope that you find it an improvement. My first reading of the article left me dissatisfied with having two personal-life paragraphs in two places within the Terrestrial radio career section, and then I realized that those paragraphs were also embedded among other paragraphs that were not specifically about Stern's radio career. In that edit, I moved text intact, without changing any of it--except to avoid duplication on the subject of Stern's engagement, because the engagement had already been mentioned in the Personal life section.
Other changes that I'd like to see, but will leave for another time--or for other people, whichever comes first--include: elimination of duplicate wikilinks within the article (e.g. the year 2006 and the name Beth Ostrosky); and removal of one sentence about Ostrosky ("Ostrosky frequently appears in the men's magazine FHM, and hosts Filter on the G4 network"), because she has already been identified sufficiently and that kind of detail is best kept current in the separate article about her. --Rich Janis 02:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I appreciate it. LilDice 03:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page organization 

message: I'm not sure where some eds are coming from completely trimming the fan site section, the 2 fan sites listed are quite relevant. One gives extensive transcripts from the show and the other is the quasi-official message board for the Stern show, certainly well within WP:EL. LilDice 23:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur these links are highly relevant. Mvemkr 00:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: When does the 3RR take effect? Mvemkr 01:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The marksfriggin should be the only fansite listed as it provides show rundowns (though so does howardstern.com, so maybe marksfriggin is not needed). Sternfannetwork or any other bulletin board most definitely does not meet the criteria for external links. WP:EL and WP:NOT#LINK are pretty clear on this (See WP:EL, Links normally to be avoided, #10). —Ocatecir Talk 04:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: marksfriggin offers unbiased transcripts and a longer archive. The guy who writes marksfriggin actually quit doing it on an official basis because he refused to be censored, so it's definitely relevant. Now as far as sternfannetwork, it does contain some encyclopedic content such as a photo gallery and is the defacto 'official' forums/fansite since the owner of the site is employed by the Stern radio stations on Sirius and hosts a show. Most articles contain a link to at least one fan-site, the only reason this was even up for debate was that a vandal from a rival forum has been here trying to remove it. LilDice 11:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Question: Wasn't Howard born in Roosevelt, Long Island, New York, and not New York City, New York? I'm unable to edit the page
:Kind of.  I think he was born in Queens and grew up in Roosevelt Island.  But anyway, Roosevelt Island is in Long Island, which is part of New York City.  NYC is more than just Manhattan, it includes five boroughs. Same with Queens.  --Bill.matthews 23:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bill is confusing Roosevelt Island, which is a small island in New York City (it lies between Queens and Manhattan, crossed by the Queensboro Bridge), with Roosevelt, a town on Long Island. Howard grew up in the latter. CitiCat 02:18, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: It seems from the recent statement on the air he is more of a liberal Republican. He actually admitted to watching O'Relly factor. Lorus77 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, he votes both ways. If you want to include something definitive you need to find a source, not assume someone's republican because they watch fox news.  Lil' Dice (yeah, I said it!) - talk 02:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing sourced, but at least once I heard him say that he sometimes listens to conservative radio and "sometimes actaully agrees with them." Also, he has been a guest on Fox News. Nothing to put in the article, but I thought it would interesting to bring up here.Lorus77 00:35, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

text: He watches Fox News occasionally, but he also reads the New York times every day, watches "Real Time with Bill Maher" and reads Mahers books, despite Maher being a complete prick to him, in addition to occasionally listening to Sirius Left.Compare the candidates Howards supported in this millenium - Republicans - Rick Lazio (2000), George Pataki (2002), and Arnold (2003) Democrats - Al Gore (2000), Every Democrat running for Federal office including John Kerry (2004), Every Democrat running for Federal office including Ned Lamont (2006), Elliot Spitzer (2006). For 2008 Howards been completely Schizo about who he wants. The day after he declared his ideal candidate basically meeting every major definition of a liberal/progressive who opposes keeping troops in Iraq he said he supported Giuliani. Before and after that he's praised Hillary Clinton (not in any kind of way indicating he'd want her for a fall guy against Giuliani, but genuine interest in thinking she'd be a good president). Anyway his major political agendas over the last several years continue to be decidedly left of center, supporting Gay marriage, a womans right to chose, increased environmental regulations, and the immediate withdrawel of troops in Iraq. The only reason he doesn't feel the way most people who support those things feel about Giuliani is his personal relationship with Rudy. Howard is no "liberal Republican". Stephen's black friend 02:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Views?

message: I propose to trim down some of the superfluous internal links in this article, in accordance with WP:CONTEXT and WP:BTW which basically state that words not every word needs to be linked.  Any objections?--M. Frederick 16:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just don't pull any citations/footnotes. If it feels a little heavy on internal links trim them, I've stared at this article enough times that they blend in. The only ones I could see as being redundant are the radios stations he worked at and the cities they were in, which does seem a little redundant. The station links alone would be fine. Optigan13 04:10, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't mess with any footnotes; those are well-placed.  I was just thinking words like divorced, publishing, gun, moron, scholarship, racial, or white need not be linked.  These articles are not relevant to helping readers understand Stern, and often their links discuss these words in a different context than that which is used in the Stern article.--M. Frederick 12:43, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead that seems fine. I was just saying any over-linking wasn't jumping out at me. Optigan13 00:43, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and while your at it please take a look at the see also links to review if they should be changed.Optigan13 00:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many internal links

message: I never listened to Howard Stern until a couple weeks ago, and what got me interested is my family and some of my friends have said on many occasions that Stern is this sort of extreme sexist, misogynist, chauvinist, jerk, and I just wanted to see if they were just being uptight or if he really is this guy who truly thinks of women as objects and only exist for sex and masturbation. I've also seen this sort of description of him in parodies on MadTV and the like. I haven't listened to any new shows (only early, 90s stuff on the net), but so far I haven't heard anything that would be considered sexist or misogynistic. Is this just a completely false (or exaggerated) stereotype of Stern? Or am I just not catching the right shows?--71.158.216.141 05:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexism 

message: The pictures :Image:Young Howard Stern with Family.JPG and :Image:Stern_Wedding.JPG have been marked for deletion . If anyone has any reason why they should be kept aside from decoration of the article go argue it  at Images for deletion. I uploaded them but I wasn't sure if the fair use rationale would hold, and was going to ask the next time this article goes to peer review if they were valid.Optigan13 03:06, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I've spoken with many admirers of Howard Stern's Private Parts film, regarding it as an excellent story with a suprisingly strong performance from Stern himself but stating that the marketing and advertising warded potential viewers away. The front cover of the DVD gives the impression of watching a pornography parody, tacky adult film or lude blue-comedy story when in actual fact it was not. Most people in the UK have not heard his radio station and the general consensus is that the marketing of the film undermined the quality of the story. It might be worth noting this, if relevant figures or qualified citations can support it. Bobbyfletch85 14:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Poor distribution and marketing is probably better suited for the film's article, but as you said it needs citations to be added. Having an alternate cover is already mentioned in that article. More important would be to note his popularity outside of North America. Optigan13 06:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor Marketing of Private Parts Movie 

message: I put the pronunciation on the article since I'm not certain if I know how to pronounce Howard's Hebrew name of Tzvi correctly, and I don't think I'm the only one. If i'm mis-using the tag, or there is some other reason to remove the tag, please explain why. Optigan13 04:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really what the tag is for, no. It's for if an article says something like "...Tzvi (pronounced 'tsvee')", without using the IPA (which the Wikipedia manual of style dictates should be used). For the record, "Tzvi" in Hebrew is  ("tsvee"), if you wish to add it to the article. --Miskwito 00:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA(pronunciation) tag

message: Seems to me that the sources for this article are all amazingly one sided.  Which is the main problem with wikipedia, as most people see it.  The "author" should do real research, instead of relying on the subject himself for all the documentation.  There are several factual mistakes in this article, all due to single source information.71.81.91.225 13:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you see anything you feel is inaccurate feel free to place the . It is easy to complain about problems, it is much more difficult to correct them. - Optigan13 05:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Sorry to be so snarky there but when you put up a comment that looks basically like a this article sucks, Wikipedia sucks kind of general snipe that people put up it isn't really helpful. We're aware of the problems of Wikipedia a lot of it is still a work in progress, some of it just plain crap. Also when the only contributions from the IP you are on appear to be comments on this talk page, it is tough to see where there has been a problem in the past. If you register and perform your contributions under a single login it will be easier to show proof that you are doing more than just complaining. As far as working with myself or any other editors, I would recommend following the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle method. If you have something specific then make the edit, and if someone reverts it take it to talk page. - Optigan13 01:19, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single source biographies 

message: In an article of the life of, arguably, the most controversial radio personality in the last 30 years and there's not one mention of the monumental fights he had with FCC?  Not a single mention of the fines (some even breaking records for largest FCC fines)?  Why isn't the NPOV of this article being challenged?  Putting this stuff in the "The Howard Stern Show" article only serves to isolate him from the controversy and I don't believe is fair to the readers.  This makes him look like some guy that got overheard at lunch, not the media pioneer he was.  Padillah (talk) 13:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is it not a single controversy is mentioned?