Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guitarists/Archive 3

message: There have been a growing number of Wikipedians questioning the need for a separate infobox for guitarists.  The  was created by Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists, and it easily survived a deletion nomination back in September of last year, but that was before  (which is supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Musicians) became a widely accepted standard.  Both infoboxes are currently endorsed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography, but recent discussions between some members of the Guitarist and Musician Wikiprojects have concluded that it may be time to deprecate the guitarist infobox, and start replacing it.  (Unfortunately, this is not a task for bots, and will have to be done manually.)
Before making any final decision on the matter, we would like to get feedback from the broader community, so I am posting this notice to several Wikiprojects which may be affected.  Comments should be posted to Template talk:Guitarist infobox.  If you have strong feelings about this infobox, one way or the other, please feel free to let us know.  Thanks, Xtifr tälk 12:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time to replace Infobox Guitarist?

message: This article has been created, and comments from specialists would be appreciated. In particular I'd like to know if there are other meanings for the term beside the Austrian folk instrument. -- Rob C (Alarob) 01:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Contraguitar]] 

message: I think that the list of products on the Fender should have it's own page. Does anyone agree with me? If you do let me know here or on my talk page. Izzy007 23:05, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fender product list 

message: Each section in this article is way to long. It also needs references and a good rewrite. A list of current and discontinued products would also be nice. Izzy007 22:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love to get this article cleaned up.  Do you have any ideas for references we can use?  Are there any books not written by Marshall? Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 00:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is the only one I can find
http://www.amazon.com/History-Marshall-Illustrated-Story-Sound/dp/0793525098
I think it might be a good idea to start a task force for Marshall Amplification. Any ideas?
Izzy007 00:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That sounds good, although there is such a low level of activity here that you might be better off just working on it independently and bouncing any ideas around in here that you have.  I personally don't have time to work on it right now. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 04:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marshall Amplification 

message: Hey, got a bit of a problem, tried to get some articles about Dean guitars NPOV, but the major contributors didn't really agree, and reintroduced their very bias comments. Feels as I can not revert them any more, need an outside editor to help (and to explain to them an article should look like, as I'm not sure how to). Also, all of the articles have non free images. It concerns the following articles:
*Dean Razorback V
*Dean Razorback
*Dean V
*Dean ML
*Dean Z
*Dean Cadillac
*Dean VMNT
and to a lesser degree Dean Soltero. Grinder0-0 17:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can help with this.  I will have time to look at them tonight, I believe. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 18:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yep, no conflict here, just getting the articles shaped up to standards. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 20:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need help with Dean guitar articles 

message: I have nominated the Drumtar article for deletion. The drumtar is a sort of guitar-banjo hybrid incorporating a snare drum. One of the participants in the discussion has suggested that the discussion would benefit from more input from people who are knowledgeable about music. So I mention it here in the interest of getting more input from the project members. Please visit the discussion to weigh in. Thank you. Nick Graves 00:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Drumtar AfD input requested

message: Hello, I made a proposal about  on its talk page Template_talk:Infobox Guitarist and wanted to let you know about it here too in case not everyone is watching that template. Regards, --Kudret abi 03:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About {{tl|Infobox Guitarist}} 

message: I'm not familiar with the set up here, but is it considered standard practice to list every guitar a guitarist uses. It's seems a little trivial to me. But i wasn't sure of the general consensus here. DurinsBane87 06:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely not.  The goal of this project is to improve articles about guitarists and the equipment they use, but our intended audience is a general one, and getting overly specific about things like what guitars a particular guitarist has ever touched is kind of contrary to the broader goals.  And yeah, I know what you mean; I've seen it on a few articles, and it sometimes reaches the point where it borders on spam.  More than borders on, in a few cases.  My general rule is, if it's not named after the guitarist or discussed in the article, then it doesn't belong in the infobox.  And if it's not mentioned by reliable, non-promotional sources, then it probably doesn't belong in the article.  If the guitarist discusses particular guitars on his or her web page, I might be inclined to include them.  If the guitar company puts out a PR piece bragging about how so-and-so uses their guitars, then...not so much.  Wikipedia is not a free advertising service.  Not even for companies you like.  Xtifr tälk 12:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then. I'm going to start trying to clean that up. DurinsBane87 17:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guitars 

message: As of now, the last transclusion of this depreciated template has been eliminated and replaced with the universal template  so I nominated it for deletion. Please provide your comments on:
Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_August_19#Template:Infobox_Guitarist. 
Thank you. --Kudret abi 22:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Infobox Guitarist}} up for deletion 

message: Does anyone think it would be a good idea to start articles about all the different styles of Fender amps (Tweed, blackface, silverface, etc)? Izzy007 22:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fender tweed, silverface, etc  

message: I have proposed a Wikiproject for articles relating to Fender. If you are interested, please add you name here. Izzy007 Talk 21:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created the Fender project. If you are interested you can join here Izzy007 Talk 01:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good luck with the project - wish I had more time to participate there.  Let me know if you need any help setting up templates, assessment, etc. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 01:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  If you have time please check it out and tell me if you think I need to add anything. Izzy007 Talk 22:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I left a note on the project talk page. --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 22:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fender Wikiproject Proposal 

message: (Section moved to main project page for visibility) --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 14:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletions ([[WP:PROD]]) 

message: Hello I'm having some problems with people who are not familiar with experimental instrumentalism, experimental music and electric guitars. I've a big COI in this case, so I'm not in the position to clear this up. I want a neutral article about Yuri Landman and Moonlander, but they consider it's not interesting enough to mention. 
At Y.Landman 6 verifiable sources are ignored and on Moonlander 2 verifiable sources are ignored. 
I do not know why.
Also it's important to read the article experimental musical instrument first, to understand my articles are pretty common. Also pay attention to www.oddmusic.com, which is 1 source and is together with EMI a leading authority about experimental instrumentalism.
There is a big list of similar articles on wikipedia:
*Neptune (ESPECCIALLY THIS ONE!)
*Hans Reichel
*Linda Manzer (ESPECCIALLY THIS ONE!)
*Luigi Russolo
*Iner Souster (ESPECCIALLY THIS ONE!)
*Ellis Guitars
*Uakti
*3rd Bridge
*Bazantar
*Luthéal  (ESPECCIALLY THIS ONE!)
*Daxophone
*Folgerphone
*Gittler guitar
*Kraakdoos
*Pencilina (ESPECCIALLY THIS ONE!)
*Sea organ
*Fifty Foot Hose
*Doo-rag
*Les Luthiers
*Ellis Guitars
*Uakti
*Ondes Martenot
*Telharmonium
*Trautonium
*Subharchord
*Red Special
*Annihilator_guitar
Best Wishes,YuriLandman 17:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Yuri - it appears that the articles will remain due to strong references which is good.  I do understand your frustration but you must also understand the community's strong aversion to self-promotion and conflict of interest.  If I were you, I would steer clear of articles about yourself or your guitars.  Other editors can watch them and make sure the discussion receives due attention if the articles are put up for deletion.  Make sense? --Spike Wilbury ♫ talk 14:44, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Thanks. Yes your opinion is right. When I started in on wiki my intention was naieve and Self Prom. Today I'm must more reserved in putting in info. I start a topic with some sources and then let it go, like I currently do on Moodswinger. It needs some settlement in the first month, before an article becomes solid. I've a [COI]-problem, but I try to maintain [NPOV] and only carry on facts which are based on reliable sources. I'll add no longer on these, and put in sourced news on the talk pages, hopefully that'll solve this controversy. They told me [COI]s are allowed to put suggestions, info, soucers on the talk pages.YuriLandman 17:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: [[Yuri Landman]] and [[Moonlander]] 

message: Would anyone be interested in a collaboration to get Steve Lukather up to FA status?  I have started working on the article, but could use some help fleshing out sections with sourced material.  If anyone has any Guitar Player back issues or anything with articles on Luke, I'd be glad for the help. --Bloodzombie 02:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Lukather