Talk:Cameron Smith (rugby league, born 1983)

message: What can be done about trimming his picture? It looks ridiculous.--Jeff79 (talk) 09:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
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message: There is another professional rugby league footballer who has played dozens of games for Leeds, shouldn't this page go to Cameron Smith (rugby league, born 1983)?Theanonymousentry (talk) 11:31, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, this Cameron qualifies for primary topic IMO.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.79.160 (talk) 22:08, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Melbourne skipper would be primary, but then there is Cameron Smith (disambiguation) to consider.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:19, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

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Yes, when a completely unknown golfer reaches a high level of a normal tournament, it tends to spike the view counts in a one off oneevent kind of way because golf has a worldwide audience so when a minor golfer does good in 3/4 tournaments it can alter the views, look at his views again, they come in spikes and do not hold up to this rugby players on a continuous basis, which is what should matter, total performance weekly over years in which the rugby player wins out. How is there a question to "long term significance"? This Cameron Smith is a household name in the sport, widely regarded as one of the greatest athletes in his sport, none of the other people with this name (all athletes) are anywhere close to being prominent in their sport. They're not Kevin Martin, Jack Nicklaus, Pelé or Jim Brown. They're rookies while this player is near the end of his career in which he is highest point scorer in the whole league, so that "still competing" doesn't add up, with all but one born in the 1990s. A quick browse of the articles alone should tell you the prominence difference between this guy and the american football player. The only legitimate argument against him is that because Australia is a small country of 23 mil and the american football player comes from a country of 325 mil, but then why does he consistently have higher pageviews then everyone here? Ask any Australian on the street about who "Cameron Smith" is and noone will mention the golfer. This rugby player was the captain of the Australian rugby team. Also how is it that a 17 year old career is described "so there may be some WP:RECENTISM involved in the current popularity statistics" when it's being compared with a 6 year career? The golfer is an example of pure recentism. GuzzyG (talk) 03:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This guy is even mentioned in google books with some results unlike any other athlete with the name, he is cited in books on his sport.  GuzzyG (talk) 09:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

text: So Smith was just appointed a Member of the Order of Australia (AM) in the 2019 Queen's Birthday Honours for his service to rugby league.  surely this proves how much more notable he is to Australia more then the Australian golfer and his long term significance? We have more pageviews, clear long term significance and more mentions in books? What else am i not seeing here? , ,   does him receiving this award, which clearly shows long term significance compared to rookies born within the 1990s, change any of your votes? Also another thing, the American football player hasn't even played a pro game yet, how does that possibly represent a conflicting case to a primary topic? That's the definition of recentism. GuzzyG (talk) 01:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Just wanna point out/comment now that the "Cameron Smith" redirect that redirects to this page is now on average getting more pageviews then all the other pages, which is pretty telling. GuzzyG (talk) 23:18, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

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Six opposed the move to this page and three supported the move to this page. Was I missing something, as that feels like the opposite of consensus, almost like we would be going against consensus.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Hi there. Including the nominator, the raw count was 4 supporting, 6 opposing. However, of course these discussions are not votes but a determination of consensus based on strength of argument, relative to applicable policies and guidelines. I feel that in my closing rationale I have outlined the reasons for my closing this as moved back to it's original title. I am happy to provide further clarification if needed. Steven Crossin 07:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, the key point in Steven's closing rationale is that moving the article away from "Cameron Smith" required a consensus given that it had sat there since 2006. In other words, there had to be a clear consensus to "oppose" the page move back. There clearly wasn't a consensus to "support", but that doesn't mean there was a consensus to "oppose". It's not unusual for 6-4 or even 6-3 not to amount to a consensus. Anyway, we have the correct outcome now. No longer is one of the greatest rugby league players of all time sharing a disambiguation page with a run-of-the-mill (no offence intended) golfer. --Mkativerata (talk) 20:59, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it was odd to go against the 6 to 3 consensus. I think one of the stronger points would was not contested was that there is another professional rugby league footballer with the same name, playing for a club of equal stature. The Leeds player is a first team regular, playing in key positions, playing at the biggest grounds. To me the move did not address that, but then again it seems like a surface level approach was made, with the result being it should never have been moved in the first place, with the least effort involved for the person involved in moving the page last.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:33, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1983 Cameron Smith is about to become the first player to reach 400 matches of professional rugby league in Australia. He has also scored the most points in the history of Australian professional rugby league. He captained Australia, Queensland, and the most successful club team of the 21st century. I'm stunned that anyone would even consider Leeds' Cameron Smith to be of comparable significance. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:55, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No-one is stating the the Leeds player is the more well known, merely that he does exist as first team regular, playing in the top-flight of Northern Hemisphere rugby league for the last four seasons. Not comparable, but you do see this happens when you have multiple professional players of the same name in the same sport, and could have even played against each other in a WCC, had the English player been selected.Theanonymousentry (talk) 07:24, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think the existence of another rugby league player with the same reason is a good reason not to have a disambiguation page.  We'll have a large number of readers, looking for the Australian Cameron Smith, landing on a disambiguation page that lists two rugby league players and for that reason will appear rather confusing at first sight. That's not a particularly helpful outcome when we know that the vast majority of rugby league-related searches, indeed the vast majority of all searches, will be for the Australian. The much smaller number of people searching for the Leeds Cameron Smith will figure out fairly quickly that the Cameron Smith on whose page they've landed is not the one they're looking for. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So having someone with the same name in the same sport is a reason not to have a disambiguation page. The logic is lost on me there. No-one is saying the 400 plus game former Kangaroo captain has played ten times as many games as the Leeds player, but to cite confusion at the description is weak. I think you are confusing search engines with wikipedia rules, and even then the golfer is likely to see it shifted to disambiguation, were it to be put up for a move, and with a 6 to 3 majority in favour it could move again, the only reason that it moved back being that there was insufficient discussion beforehand.Theanonymousentry (talk) 10:39, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

text: Agreed the undiscussed move was the primary reason for the return to the page since 2006, but there were other factors too. Hopefully it would not be seen as an anti-Australian bias to put the question out there and have it put to a wider discussion as to what the Cameron Smith page should be. Seems like there was appetite for it and against it, reasons for it and against it so I might look to put that in over the coming weeks. No issues with the process, as whilst the secondary factors might, or might not be good enough on their own, the lack of a discussion prior to the move was sufficient in my eyes, so a RM is the likely outcome.Theanonymousentry (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
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message: I’ve not looked at this page before, but it seems to me that this page has been sanitised by a fan or fans or a PR company or whatever.   There’s no mention whatsoever of the Alex McKinnon episode and I cannot believe that no editor has ever put something In about that.  Anyone reading the article would think that Smith is Mr Perfect, clean as a whistle, that everyone loves him.  Everyone who knows a few things about the NRL is well aware that that is not true. Boscaswell talk 18:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no time for that, it's more important to keep the article showing he's played 412 first grade games when he's only played 409.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.71.154 (talk) 22:19, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy, Alex McKinnon - sanitisation! 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Lennart97 (talk) 12:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Cameron Smith →  – no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC per page views  Joeykai (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 26 July 2021 

message: MOS:1STABBR indicates that on the first occurrence of an abbreviation it should be introduced with the full expression, ie. "National Rugby League (NRL)". Introducing a secondary link to the same target adds another MOS issue (duplink) and does not resolve the original, since readers should not have to follow links to understand abbreviations. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:12, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
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