Talk:List of industrial music bands

message: Anybody else agree that the German band Emigrate should be added? 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigrate
http://www.myspace.com/emigrate
I added them, but you all disagree feel free to modify.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.68.43.107 (talk) 23:38, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emigrate 

message: For the record everyone, Alice Cooper, Faster Pussycat, and WASP have NEVER done anything remotly simmiler to Industrial Rock.  As for David Bowie and (less so) Gary Numan, they have briefly exprimented with elements of the genre, but still that does not make it appropraite to list them under a page that is for actual industrial Rock artist, rather notable reference of this matter belong on the main article. Avador
Yes they have.. and they are mentioned in the original Industrial rock article, apart from Faster Pussycat who aren't mentioned, but did flirt with Industrial rock on "Between the Valley of the Ultra Pussy".. the vocalist is now even in an Industrial rock band; the Newlydeads.. try researching first before claiming bands have "never" done something. - Deathrocker 12:03, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dispute the statement because I never heard it expressed outside of here, and I would like to see an external source on those claims.  And regarding Alice Coop, I have heard, and at one point owned, Brutal Planet and Dragontown, and i don't consider that Industrial rock.  All this aside, my primary problem with this section is that I don't believe that it is relevant to the article, not whether or not it is factually actuate.  Avador
Of course it is relevent, these are notable, world wide famous artists who have experimented with THIS genres stylings... it is explained on most of those artists pages which are already linked in the article, as well as that.. all you have to do is fire up Google.com and make the searches yourself. And you will find results in abundance. - Deathrocker 21:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable flirtations? 

message: Marilyn Manson (Their wiki states Industrial Rock and a google search will show enough results to garner it so) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.52.15.252 (talk • contribs) 21:36, September 14, 2006 (UTC)
:Why is MINDLESS SELF INDULGENCE on the list of industrial rock? They're not anything like industrial rock!! Also I think Marilyn Manson should be taken off. He's a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winryrockbell (talk • contribs) 01:07, September 16, 2006 (UTC)
 
::I disagree about Manson.  1 to call such an artist a joke is foolish.  2 he should go under the some industrial and not pure.  But he does deal with a background in it.  Its obvious in his Music.  As for MSI...maybe can go under industrial, but its a very thin line there.  They do enough electronic work, but i feel they dont represent the scene at all or their followers.  should be in the some industrial and not the full industrial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.100.135 (talk • contribs) 02:43, September 21, 2006 (UTC)
I propose adding Nocturne, XEO3 (when I create the page), and Blood to the list. I know Nocturne is listed as Industrial Metal a lot of the time, but they definently have a Hard Rock edge to them. Blood isn't strictly an Industrial Rock band, having their roots in Visual Kei, but it is definently an element in more than half of their songs. JanderVK
::I'm proposing reinserting Marilyn Manson on this list. Anyone familiar with their discography will note that they've had only 2 maybe 3 albums that sonically deviated from Industrial music. The rest have been straight up Industrial. Clearly, it is their bread and butter. Also, to dismiss Manson as a joke (ie. because his music is mainstream, he's a sell out, he went glam rock more than a decade ago, etc.) amounts to nothing more than vacuous hipster pretentiousness. As noted by OP, enough Google searches will justify their admission to this list. More than that, there are more than enough highly reliable and respected music publications out there that will cement their place on this list.
:::Why not bring in all Gothic artists to the list then? How do you differentiate between gothic and industrial?
:::I've been overhauling the list to bring it in line with various other rock list articles, i.e. sourcing everything and trying to avoid all the POV that affects these lists. Essentially, if you can find reliable sources to back their inclusion, please go ahead. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Artists 

message: This is a list of industrial rock bands, correct?
Unless I am mistaken... Aslan Faction, Icon of Coil, Feindflug, Infekktion and God Module- as well as several others -have never had a guitar in a single song. Unless someone can dig up a long lost EP or something, I'll be removing bands which aren't industrial rock but just plain -industrial-. There are some bands which are questionable in that their band page lists them as not being rock but I've never heard it myself; it'd be nice if someone could check those out and make sure they're in fact industrial -rock-. Emphasis on -rock-. And lastly, someone should either nix the red links (it says NOTABLE bands at the top of the page) or make pages for them. As I don't know the majority of the red linked bands myself, I'm not going to do either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.198.192 (talk • contribs) 09:20, July 19, 2007 (UTC)
:As far as the redlinked entries go, you are absolutely right.  No artists should be listed here that do not have a corresponding standalone Wikipedia article.  As such, I have pruned the list for now, and entries can be re-added as articles are created. -- Satori Son 14:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to be bands there that are also on the industrial metal list.  As industrial metal is a less inclusive genre than industrial rock, bands that are on both lists will be deleted from the rock list. If someone wants to help clean up bands that are most definitely not industrial metal and shove them into the rock list, that would be greatly appreciated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.78.136 (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bands aren't ROCK 

message: I took Mortiis off of the "flirting" list and listed under the main list because his current inception is quite Industrial Rock... JanderVK (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mortiis

message: Why just 1990s/2000s?  Shouldn't there be a list for the 1980s too? BookhouseBoy (talk) 11:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1980s? 

message: Why are industrial metal artists in this list? There's a separate list for industrial metal and massing them together here just doesn't make much sense. I suggest we take out the artists that are exclusively industrial metal. FireCrystal (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a point taken, but I suggest removal of bands/musicians that only contribute to Industrial Metal. Bands such as KMFDM with elements of industrial rock and metal should be kept. I'll nominate to remove Rammstein and Static X.--F-22 Raptor IV 15:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Differentiating between "industrial metal" and "industrial rock" is a POV nightmare. That a separate list exists is neither here nor there; if a source can be provided stating a band has played any form of "industrial" at some point in their careers, they should be included in this list (as per all of the other music list articles). Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are industrial metal artists in this list? 

message: I have considered adding Korn to the list because See You on the Other Side and Untitled seem to have several aspects of industrial rock, but i'm not sure. --KMFDM Fan (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korn 

message: I was thinking of allowing all forms of industrial bands of this page (other than industrial metal, which have their own page). Being that there are only industrial rock and industrial metal pages, and maybe renaming the page to the basic format of industrial music. Or an alternative would to create other industrial list ofs.--F-22 Raptor IV 21:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be best because there are bands that are just industrial music and are not associated with rock or metal and this page is a industrial rock list... so that would make sense. I often get confused with all these industrial, synth and electronic-influenced or related genres, etc and it gets tiring having to see "what this genre is all about" before letting it go on the list. Which are directly industrial genres and which are purely electronic? I agree that we must put a line somewhere or this list will be crowded with all these sub of sub sub genres. I suggest we change the article title to List of industrial music bands or artists (as there are some that are solo bands with hired performers to play live) or maybe something else entirely. I'm not sure what other industrial/electronic related lists there are out there but it would be good to see if they can be merged here if too little or merged elsewhere or maybe expanded. As always, it is quite annoying when red links get added. FireCrystal (talk) 21:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on the renaming. I also checked for other industrial-related list of bands, these appear to be the only two lists.--F-22 Raptor IV 21:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So it is agreed to rename the article to List of industrial music bands or are we going with artists instead of bands? I'm assuming the first. Also, I think it would be beneficial to see what genres should be here like subgenres of industrial music or rock that don't have industrial within the name. FireCrystal (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreeing on List of industrial music bands or artists. I would also suggest on allowing bands that primarily play industrial, a non-example is possible Pop Will Eat Itself, which is currently on this list. I'd permit anything that's industrial xxx, and other electro-industrial sub-genres such as aggrotech. People who would add an industrial metal band(s) should be directed to the list of industrial metal bands.--F-22 Raptor IV 21:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand. I would naturally direct them to the list of industrial metal bands as well. So now I think it's time to rename the article to "List of industrial music bands" then. Now who should do the moving? You started the topic on it so you can do the honors. In the future, if the list get's too large then it can always be separated by "genre x", etc (as in a new list article). FireCrystal (talk) 22:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't think so. Maybe add a dablink for industrial metal bands but other than that I think it's all good. FireCrystal (talk) 22:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial "Rock" issue 

message: ...if you stop this nonsense. A list of Industrial music bands includes Industrial music bands. But this list includes the whole Pop and Rock world. 70%-80% has absolutely nothing (NADA!!!) to do with Industrial music. --89.244.73.34 (talk) 15:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. So, do you have a reference? Tommy! 15:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would be nice... 

message: I'm not to keen on the article being labelled "List of Industrial Music Bands" when it includes industrial rock, industrial metal, synthpop, and EBM acts. The original scene, which is as well mentioned in the Wiki article, is of the experimental noise scene (Throbbing Gristle, Neubauten, SPK, etc), and the other scenes are regarded as Post-Industrial. This list is kind of a contradiction to the "Industrial music" article.
Therefore, I suggest one of two things:
1) Divide post-industrial bands into their own article. Of course, the problem with this is that more people familiar with "industrial" are actually familiar with post-industrial, and this article will be constantly affected by that. 
2) Rename this article "List of industrial and post-industrial bands". The problem of course, is that the list of industrial metal and electro-industrial below the article, falls into this.  
-- Shadowolf (talk) 20:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You're going to have a right headache separating out the list like that. It's a sorucing nightmare. Unless you can find some rocksolid sources by which you are going to be judging inclusion - and there'll be dozens of contradictory ones, even discounting the non-WP:RS webzines - you're onto a loser. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:22, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I generally agree.  We've gone through a few periods of major disagreement about genres with other lists before (the nu metal list being the most infamous, I'll wager) and I think creating more subdivisions will just lead to more acrimony and misery for everyone involved. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 23:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In that context, should this page be renamed to List of industrial and post-industrial bands? At the moment it clearly has a number of bands which aren't part of the Industrial page, but are featured in the Post-industrial page. Slapping both labels on this one page would prevent future debates on whether bands need to be split out into smaller lists. 209.99.3.195 (talk) 11:35, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaming this Article, or Dividing Post-Industrial acts

message: Pretty sure Cyanotic is an acceptable band to list here, based on their article, but there needs to be a better source than the band's home page. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 18:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cyanotic (band)|Cyanotic]] 

message: Hi, I feel that there should be more industrial bands added to this small list being that there are so many out there. I can't seem to find the appropriate articles and sources but if someone else can, do feel free to list the following "noted" industrial artists which include the following: Blutengel, Emilie Autumn, Cesium 137, The Azoic and Ayria. Thank you! KimCyanide (talk) 18:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: Creating a few industrial-sounding pieces/songs over a career does not make a band/artist industrial. I see no reason to have the likes of David Bowie in the list.  Am removing just him for now.  Will wait for discussion before removing others. Since there is a reference to Bowie having produced an industrial album, I just commented-out the entry for now. Mikebrand (talk) 01:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing listings of bands that are not primarily industrial