Talk:Leo Belgicus

message: Leo Belgicus means Belgian lion. In roman times the area was known as Gallia Belgica and comprised more or less of Belgium and (parts of) the Netherlands and that's where the name originated. While it's true that when the Leo Belgicus was used the Netherlands were 'dominant', the translation still is Belgian Lion, NOT Dutch Lion. Maraud 11:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The maps described in this article are from the 16th and 17th century, when "Belgica" was the usual Latin translation for the Netherlands (which name covered both the present Netherlands and Belgium). Eugène van der Pijll 11:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I certainly agree, I just thought that Dutch lion would confuse some readers since the literal translation would be Belgian. The compromise certainly suits me. Maraud 12:34, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: And translating it as "Belgian Lion" is equally inaccurate and misleading, because it implies that the territory shown as the 'lion' was in fact Belgian. So unless you have a better translation for the term, an adjective for all of the Low Countries, providing both, with a reference to the note at the bottom, is the best we can do. -- Eugène van der Pijll 19:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's very simple. Leo Belgicus means Dutch lion, Nederlandse leeuw. Just like New Netherlands (Nieuw Nederland) in America was Novum Belgium or Nova Belgica and the Dutch republic was Belgium Foederatum. This shouldn't be a complicated issue. It does however when people (like paul111) refuse to accept the fact that Flemings and the modern Dutch were a single people at that time ... called the Dutch.Rex 20:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with what you're saying about the translation: it does not exactly mean "Dutch lion"; and neither does it mean "Belgian lion"; both are approximate translations, and the article shows this. What more do you want? And please don't suggest that these translations are motivated by support for the Greater Netherlands movement; I find that somewhat offensive, and it is totally irrelevant for this article. -- Eugène van der Pijll 12:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the revert, because the introduction was getting a bit top-heavy; the discussion on the exact translation has been given its own section, so you dont have to repeat the whole argument in the first sentence. It looks awkward. I don't know if the Dutch and Flemish are a single people now; I don't know if they were ever; and I am not interested in that. I do know that there was a single term that referred to them both, which is used in this article. Above you say that the existence of this term "can certainly not be used to infer support for a Greater Netherlands", which seems to imply that that was what I was doing here. -- Eugène van der Pijll 12:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: And I moved it down again; the article is primarily about the maps; not about the name. But I haven't re-introduced either translation in the introduction. -- Eugène van der Pijll 19:07, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm glad we have reached a conclusion that it acceptable to us both. Thanks for the discussion! -- Eugène van der Pijll 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dutch lion?

message: The following link mentions that Michael von AITZING book in 1583 is the FIRST LEO BELGICUS, a cartographic interpretation of the Dutch Lion. It was originally published in the first edition of 1583, repeated in all subsequent ones, and widely imitated by cartographers in later Dutch histories and atlases.
Does anyone have a source for this fact?
:Gioto (talk) 08:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Christies mention

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