Talk:Little England beyond Wales

message: I removed what looked like unsourced opinion from the article. Then I took a second look at what was left, and realised most of this article is unsourced. We could do with some sources. In particular, I don't think this is true: "Until the nineteenth century, the region was the only English-speaking area of Wales away from the English border." There was an "Englishry" on Gower, too. And is it really "the most fertile area of south west Wales"? I didn't know that. By what standards? Who says it? Et cetera.. 
Telsa (talk) 08:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We need some references

message: I removed the "see also" reference to this because:
* it included only part of Little England
* it also included part of the Welshry.
It thus has no more relevance to the subject than, say, Preseli district. . . .LinguisticDemographer 21:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree entirely, it includes much of the same area. --MacRusgail 11:05, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be inclined to put it into the article somewhere because people who are not familiar with the differences may have typed in one expecting to get the other. I am not, however, a big fan of "see also" and "trivia" (ugh!) sections, and would rather work relevant links into the article somewhere. The obvious place to me would be right at the top, changing "an area of southern Pembrokeshire and southwestern Carmarthenshire in Wales" to "an area of southern Pembrokeshire and southwestern Carmarthenshire in Wales." Without the italics, obviously. Would that be reasonable? Telsa (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --MacRusgail 18:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: South Pembrokeshire

message: I've tried to do a little recent work here. I was very surprised (and somewhat discouraged) that there was no mention of the Landsker Line in this article, and the mention of Little England in the Landsker article was much of the way down the page. Surely these subjects are intrinsically related, but evidently this crucial detail was swept aside during the neutrality flap that drove the primary contributor away two years ago. I suppose this is just a symptom of a disorder even good articles like this one can have - particularly when when more clamorous concerns demand attention, it is possible to overlook even vital material. It's regretable that the above issues couldn't be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, this interesting subject deserves a great article.--Cúchullain t/c 15:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent work

message: The comment below was added to the article page by User:Kay2510 - I've moved it here.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little England today 

message: Substantial parts of this article were written by me.  I am a well known researcher in this field.  I hereby assert that all those parts of the article that were written by me and are not provided with references are the results of my own original research.  Wikipedia rules state that information that is the result of original research is prohibited, and where such information is unambiguously present in an article, it is the duty of every editor to remove it forthwith.
LinguisticDemographer (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, let's get on sourcing it all properly then. This interesting subject deserves a great article, and you've done some excellent work here.--Cúchullain t/c 15:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: I've just noticed that neither the map nor the article seem to mention exactly how large it is.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size/area 

message: I have removed the map from this article for three reasons:
1) it is not referenced
2) it is clearly original research
3) the contributor actually states that it is original research
Please do not reinstate this item until it can be shown to comply with Wikipedia rules on original research.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.223.193 (talk) 09:25, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced it with a map of the Landsker Line in 1901. That should be sufficient.--Cúchullain t/c 13:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR Map 

message: 'Most of the area is known in Welsh as Sir Benfro Saesneg, meaning "Saxon Pembrokeshire".'
Actually, this could equally be translated as "English Pembrokeshire". Saesneg refers to the English language.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sir Benfro Saesneg 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is little so far in the article concerning culture other than language to justify the weight given to culture in the lead. What more could be added?SovalValtos (talk) 00:23, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but looking through this entire talk page again, and reading Cultural relationship between the Welsh and the English, it is a can of worms. Before I moved here, I had heard the term "Little England beyond Wales" and understood it to mean Pembrokeshire, more or less. It is far, far more complex than that. Some inhabitants (in my experience, having lived here for nearly 15 years) of south Pembrokeshire consider the term disparaging, while others are happy with it. What is clear is that people who come from south Pembrokeshire consider themselves just as Welsh as anyone from any other part of Wales. I don't quite know where culture comes in. But to answer your question, there is plenty out there on culture in south Pembrokeshire (and the Gower, come to that), but finding a way to incorporate it into the article is likely to be difficult. Having said that, I think the term has little relevance today. Tony Holkham (Talk) 01:00, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: Hi, , I've done quite a bit of work on this article, but as I don't feel I "own" it, I'm not worried if an occasional editor wants to nit-pick. None of the incoming settlers spoke what we would recognise as English, anyway, so don't really explain why the area is English-speaking today. As it says in the lead, it's still an open question, probably, maybe, perhaps. Best wishes, Tony. Hope you're keeping well. Tony Holkham (Talk) 15:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you  for this advice. I do like your open question, probably, maybe, perhaps. I am well and hope you are gaining strength.All the best! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nit-picking