Talk:Ekphrasis

message: er, i think this article is largely incorrect in broadening the use of the word ekphrasis too rapidly.
here´s some considerations:
- ekphrasis historically a strictly rhetoric term for any kind of vivid depiction in words
- use of ekphrasis is more frequent in the expert literature then ecphrasis
- first known use (?)in Aphthonius's Progymnasmata
- 'famous' example  in Catullus 64 refers to a long passage where a description of the bride Thetis´treasure has a scene on a textile depicting ariadne's story which is then told ´as seen depicted'.
The term then is used to categorise some Romantic works, setting a tradition of rendering painting , sculpture or architecture in (poetical) language.
The use of the term in the broad meaning as anything mixing or spreading a subject to different arts is fairly recent, and, i would say, rather fashionable or boldly metaphorical.
here´s a quote from Muse to back this up:
"Although the concept is at least as old as Homer, ekphrasis emerges quite late in antiquity as a privileged term reserved for rendering an art work into words. In fact, the rhetoricians of the "Second Sophistic" used ekphrasis to cover any set-piece of vivid description generally; and it became in the second century c.e. one of the standard exercises, or progymnasmata, of rhetorical training. Heffernan prudently restricts the scope of his literary inquiry, first to the translation of a work of art, and then more specifically to encounters between poetry and the visual arts."
(from Macksey, Richard 1931- "Museum of Words: The Poetics of Ekphrasis from Homer to Ashbery"
MLN - Volume 110, Number 4, September 1995 (Comparative Literature Issue), pp. 1010-1015 abstract found here:http://muse.jhu.edu/cgi-bin/access.cgi?uri=/journals/mln/v110/110.4br_heffernan.html
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I agree with above comments.  My preference would at least to make it clear to readers that the broader meaning of the term is a recently emerging sense and not the meaning most people are likely to intend to convey when they use the term.  Webster's dictionary, e.g., only offers the narrower sense of the term.  As pointed out above, the broader meaning is metaphorical, and though metaphors are feats of mental flexibility, their potency derives from the solidity of notions compared; viz., a metaphorical sense, when a speaker wishes to call it up, not only succeeds but thrives even if "definitions" (or lengthier encyclopedia entries) do not pre-empt the metaphor and offer the extended sense as standard.  Ventifact (talk) 01:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues

message: "Reworded horrible intro, now merely bad". Nydas, why don't describe the previous efforts by others in really insulting terms, just in case you haven't made your point? Flaming Norah! Dieter Simon 00:58, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re "horrible intro" 

message: In 'The Effect of Reality' and 'The Discourse of History' Barthes utilised the concept of ecphrasis as a tool for the analysis of modern texts and we ought to include a section on this in this entry.Rykalski (talk) 09:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roland Barthes 

message: Since in the article the form "eKphrasis" is used, I suggest changing the title to that form, and make the "eCphrasis" page redirect there. I would have done it, but don't know how to change titles. --David Be (talk) 08:56, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are absolutely right, the term "ekphrasis" is the more common version in this article as well as Google and other search engines. I have moved the article to the correct name, all history and links should have been moved as well. Dieter Simon (talk) 00:46, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However, you can do this yourself, as long as you are logged in and as long as your reasons are sufficiently plausible. If it is a controversial decision you will need to open a discussion on it. See Help:Moving a page tell s you how to do it. Dieter Simon (talk) 01:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle the two pages

message: I suggest adding a more extensive discussion of Catullus 64 to the ancient literature section. The majority of the poem, which is maybe the best representative of the epyllion genre and certainly a significant influence on subsequent Latin poets, is ekphrasis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.114.91.244 (talk) 18:26, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catullus 64