Talk:Milton Orkopoulos

message: Perhaps a more experienced Wikipedian can let me know if this image is OK - unless someone wants to get a photo of the guy on his way to Belmont Police station some time soon? Joestella 14:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Given the allegations that have been made against Orkopoulos in the last 12 - 24 hours I've tagged this article as above. More experienced Wikipedians may like to advise. Xdenizen 10:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagged as current event 

message: Milton only has one child and two step-children Hale74 (talk) 10:11, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is an article on Orkopoulos, not his wife and kids.  I don't see how their names and the like are relevant, and given the hysteria that these sort of allegations also often produce, I think that leaving the information in would be irresponsible of us.  Lankiveil 05:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a presumption of guilt to me. For the moment, and perhaps forever, Orkopoulos is an "Australian politician" and not a criminal. "Leave the wife and kids out of" what exactly? Is someone going to see the names Kathy, Anastasia, Brad and Nicole Orkopoulos on Wikipedia and harm them in some way? No. Their names are already a matter of public record and they are in no way implicated. If you feel strongly about this, however, I invite you to trawl Wikipedia and remove references to the wives and children of convicted politicians the world over. Joestella 06:07, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What does naming them bring to the article, that is not achieved by the current text ("Orkopoulos resides in Belmont, near Lake Macquarie, with his wife. They have three children.")?  If they were somehow relevant to his public life I could understand, but it's pretty rude and inconsiderate to name figures from his private life, "just because".  And people tend to go silly when paedophilia is mentioned, so I wouldn't put it past some idiot to do something silly to his family. Lankiveil 12:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By that logic, you'd probably want to suppress his suburb, the fact that he has kids or is married, or for that matter the fact that he's been charged. After all, "people tend to go silly when paedophilia is mentioned" and you "wouldn't put it past some idiot to do something silly to his family" solely on the basis of information they found at Wikipedia. Joestella 13:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This matter needs to be re-considered, wikipedia does not extend this policy of selective editing to other famous persons. The information is relevant to his biography, and is widely publically available; the fact his biography also includes an alleged instance of criminality, is not cause to remove their names. Rotovia (talk) 04:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-added the sentence that he is married and has three children, which is relevant to Orkopoulos as the subject of the article. I did not re-add that he lives in Belmont as he self-evidently doesn't since his conviction. I did not re-add the names of his children as their names are not notable in an article on Orkopoulos. In so doing I had regard for the articles on Morris Iemma and Barry O'Farrell which also state the number of children they have but not their names.  Euryalus (talk) 06:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming wife and children

message: I removed the reference to the Police informing the Premier's Chief of Staff prior to the arrest. The Police informed the Police Ministry, which informed the Police Minister. The Police Minister's office (not the NW Police) then told the Premier's Chief of Staff.
This is an important distinction. The Government argues it is justifiable that the Police tell the Police Minister about serious crime issues and upcoming arrests. It is not justifiable, however, for the Police to tell someone outside the chain of command, such as the Premier's Chief of Staff.
The Police Minister's office passed the information to the Premier's office. This may or may not be appropriate, but it is not an action attributable to the Police themselves, but to the Police Minister. 
The relevance of this entire issue is the suggestion that there was an attmept to tip off the Government, so that some kind of 'spin' could be prepared. This is an extremely serious allegation, which if proven is potentially a criminal offence. It is therefore essential that there be strict accuracy in the allegation of who said what to whom. Jeendan 07:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chain of information from police to government 

message: It is not Wikipedia standard to have "Mr" (or "Ms" etc) in an article. The surname alone will suffice after the first reference. In this article, it's acutally quite distracting due to the constant use of "Mr".  Please fix unless there's some reason for it.  Moncrief 00:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks.  Moncrief 22:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are there honorifics in this article?

message: Milton Orkopoulos married on the 18th December 1993 to Kathy, the ex-wife of Leon A. Heckenberg. While married to Mr. Heckenberg, Kathy had two children: a daughter born in June 1980 and a son born in December 1982.  Orkopoulos is a father of one child only: a daughter born after he and Kathy married in 1993.  Mr. Heckenberg has the birth-Certificates of his two children in his possession, confirming the fact that Orkopolos is father to one child only.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.130.141.200 (talk) 06:57, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the reference for three children. The Parliament website is a reliable source. However I've changed the wording to more closely reflect that source - it now reads he was "married with three children" rather than "had three children"  -- Euryalus (talk) 08:15, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orkopoulos is NOT a father of "three children" 

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