Talk:Screwball

message: What about the frozen dessert that goes by the same name?--x1987x 01:12, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dessert

message: A circle change does not impart a movement similar to a screwball. No pitch breaks like a screwball except a screwball. The value of a circle change is that the pitcher's arm movement and velocity is similar to that of a fastball but the pitch's velocity is much slower. The value of the pitch is in speed deception, not in any movement of the pitch.
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The circle change can be thrown with an inward rotation of the wrist, similar to the screwball's release, but not nearly as violently. Johan Santana throws his circle change this way, and not only does the pitch deceive like a normal changeup, but has a tailing motion (in on lefties, away from righties.) Santana throws a straight change and a circle change with the slight screw motion. While it's not the only way to throw it, it's a variation that gives a changeup a bit more edge. Many coaches prefer to teach their pitchers this kind of changeup instead of a screwball because of the risk of injury mentioned in the article.
Gskarlov 01:09, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Circle change

message: If anyone else wants to add their way of throwing this pitch, or any differences, please add it onto the current description.  I've entered the way I've thrown it, and I know this is not the only way to throw it.  The way I throw it, it tends to have a lot of movement but isn't extremely fast.  I've heard of people doing it like a reverse-slide instead of a reverse-curveball (pressure on the right index finger, and pronate).  I've tried this, but it seems quite difficult to generate a quick spin this way.
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I'm a college pitcher who throws a screwball as my out-pitch, and mine moves more like the reverse-slide than the curve. It depends on which arm angle I use. Since I throw it with a grip modified from a 2-seam fastball (I shift the pressure on to my index finger and only use my middle for support) I can throw it from nearly any arm angle. I mostly throw sidearm, which gives it a roughly 2-8 trajectory (reverse slider), but as I approach high 3/4 it drops more than slides, going to 1-7 (reverse curve).
Gskarlov 01:14, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Addition

message: The article, especially in the technique section, seems to contain original research. Lines such as "*If you are just learning this pitch, start out slow and never force your arm into doing something too uncomfortable. If done improperly the pitch can cause various shoulder and wrist injuries." give the article an air of a "how-to" article more than an encyclopedia entry. Leebo T/C 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Such an article is probably where the editor ripped it off from. Wahkeenah 23:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I threw the screwball for about seven years and personally think that there should be some mention about the injury risks. Haven't thrown one regularly for five years but it really warrants mentioning that if you're trying to become a teenage junkballer just to stay on the team, this is both the pitch to learn and the worst thing you can do for the long term health of your arm.76.102.50.71 (talk) 23:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

text: There's no good evidence for the supposed health risks of the screwball. All evidence is anecdotal. Thepainguy (talk) 04:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: I've heard a lot about screwballs being thrown in softball games. Is it true? Does it belong in this article? If yes, then I can add a section about it. I just didn't believe it was a screwball as defined in baseball.NyyDave 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Softball

message: The Wikipedia authorities have observed that the article was written with a how-to style, and should be re-written to conform to Wikipedia form.  I changed some sentences accordingly.  I also noticed text about the tactical uses of the pitch which assumed right-handed pitcher.  I modified it to make it handedness-neutral.
Mark.camp (talk) 00:23, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Style change

message: Picture of grip with the article bears no resemblance to the description of the grip given 144.62.251.122 (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screwball (baseball pitch)