Talk:Terry Shannon (writer)

message: You know, one of the few things I really hate about Wikipedia is that, of late, it's become a vehicle through which I've been finding out that people I numbered among my "extended friends" are now dead. First Alan Kotok and now Terry Shannon. :-(
So long, Terry!
Atlant 16:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Five years ago today.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goodbye, Terry! 

message: "Intro to VAX VMS" did sell an astounding number of copies.   And Terry didn't get paid for any of it.   Which explains why he left Professional Press and went to Digital Review. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.67.104.4 (talk • contribs) .
:: Terry was a terrible businessman.   And NOBODY could have predicted that "Intro" was going to sell as many copies as it did (a LOT).   His deal with Marbach/Mallery (the publishers @ProPress) was that he'd write the book in exchange for a 'DEC Rainbow' (DEC's foray into the PC market).   Sadly, "Intro" went on to sell a boatload of copies, and the Rainbow went on to become a very good doorstop.        —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.104.4 (talk) 18:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Rant all you want - Wikipedia is not the place for personal memorials or reflections.  Read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not.  Information has to have reliable, verifiable sources, not just your word that it is true (see Wikipedia:No original research) - and even if it is true, it has to be of some usefulness to people outside the small cadre that personally knew this man.  If you want to memorialize without people interfering, build your own website.  Wikipedia is not the place for it.  If I didn't clean this article up to wiki standards, another editor surely would have. You don't have control over the content of Wikipedia, even articles you start yourself - see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles - so get used to people changing your writing because it doesn't meet long-established, consensus-built policies. — Swpb talk contribs 02:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: *Note that the mention is by editor Mike Magee who often quoted Mr. Shannon when writing in The Register and The Inquirer, referring to him as Our old mate Terry Shannon, while others writers there called him "our chum" and "old Reg chum". Magee wrote about Shannon's death in June 2005, "VERY DEAR friend Terry Shannon died earlier this week." Sad as it may be, Wikipedia is not the place for memorials to dead friends. --LeflymanTalk 18:19, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Intro to VAX VMS'' 

message: (this personal account should not be in the main article so I put it here)
Although I had read Terry's articles for more than 10 years, I finally was able to meet him face-to-face at the two-day OpenVMS Technical Update Days (TUD) in June, 2003 at Ottawa, Ontario. Terry and I kept in touch by email over the years and leaned on each other just a little bit because we had something in common: I had a very mild depression related to SAD and he had a much stronger depression related to Vietnam (his words not mine). I would always try to be supportive but how could my little problem relate at all to what he was going through?
Terry shot from the hip. At an "HP sponsored" OpenVMS event in Toronto in February 2005 (and maybe other places too) Terry said a few true things, albiet not politically correct things, about then recently ousted HP CEO, Carly Fiorina. (I know this to be true because I was there when it happened). His meds also made him fall asleep at the strangest times and I saw him doze-off a few times during this February event. I'm not sure what HP execs thought of Terry's statements or sleeping in public but they couldn't have thought it was good. (Note: remember that Terry had a long history with DEC and Compaq; HP merged with Compaq in 2002 and that's when HP management would have first been exposed to Terry)
http://www.encompasscanada.com/seminar-tor05-speakernotes-icouldhavehadaV8point2.htm
Some time after 2003-02 (I can't remember if it was one or two months) his main job as an OpenVMS Evangelist for HP was terminated by HP (his words not mine). He told me by email (I think it was around Easter) that he was at his wits end because the VA had stopped funding of the meds he was using to control his depression and that they were very expensive.
Sadly, he took his own life in May 2005. Good bye Terry. You were a good friend.
--Neilrieck 11:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neil Rieck's Personal Contact With Terry Shannon 

message: Unfortunately, someone has been vandalizing the Terry Shannon entry, removing copious external links.
Discpad 01:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There aren't supposed to be copious external links, but I also don't see any removed. -Amarkov moo! 02:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More vandalism 

message: There's a great article about Terry in Boston Magazine.  It's been uploaded as a PDF under fair use rights - it's good stuff, well worth the read for those interested.  I've also uploaded a better picture, taken from the Inquirer. Pinkboy 14:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *If you have an issue with how attribution works on Wikipedia-- or for that matter, how research is done for encyclopaedias-- feel to take it up the appropriate policy page. If you don't have any actual suggestions as to how to make this a better article, then please move on.--LeflymanTalk 22:08, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: *Sorry but you danced around the question, again. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.100.6.239 (talk) 16:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *There wasn't a question; there was, however, a lot of rhetorical bloviating. --LeflymanTalk 20:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: *TBH, even if the PDF gets pulled, the ref will still be there, and that's what counts.  People can always go and get the article for themselves. Pinkboy 13:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Boston Magazine Article, new picture

message: (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terry Shannon (2nd nomination).)
Removed due to snowball.Pinkboy 14:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed due to my withdrawl, actually. Snowball is a stupid reason for closing an AfD. -Amarkov moo! 15:01, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's also stupid to go after someone for no good reason. This article should never have been marked for deletion, seeking references is a different matter. Glad to see wiki is still in shambles. Amusing the number of meatpuppet etc comments you made, and the sweeping claims of no notoriety given how wrong you were. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.159.198.159 (talk) 22:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: People are still complaining now that I've withdrawn the nomination? What exactly am I supposed to do? Oh, and by the way, the meatpuppet comments were true; I really don't make accusations of meatpuppetry lightly. -Amarkov moo! 02:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2ndAFD

message: The article claims the origin of the Charlie Matco pseudonym is from Shannon's personal experience.  I don't think it is.  In 1984, I was working for DEC as a systems manager contracted to DECUS then in Bouroughs Plaza on Rte. 20 in Marlboro.  I was managing a VAX running ALL-IN-1 used by the DECUS leadership to communicate via email.  The leadership was somewhat confrontational with the DECUS management. I was asked by the then operations manager Brent Lapham and his boss Andy Powderly to have an account so that I could directly respond to the leadership's request for support.  I didn't want to use my actual name as I didn't want the politics.  Lapham looked out the window and saw a Matco Tools van and said, okay you can be Charlie (my first name) Matco, we'll keep your actual identity secret.  The next year the Charlie Matco articles starting appearing.  Since Shannon was active in the DECUS leadership at that time, I always thought that's how he got the name and idea of it being a secret.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.175.8 (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Name "Charlie Matco" 

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