Talk:Baalbek

message: The following info (reversing chronological by the timeline of reports) needs summarising and adding to the article:
source: http://lebanonupdates.blogspot.com/  accessdate=2006-08-03
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Minute by Minute:: August 2
Source: Tayyar, New TV and other news sources 
# 08:50 Lebanese police announces 11 civilians killed and 6 kidnapped by Israeli unit in Baalbek
# 07:00 Sources close to Hezbollah: those kidnapped were not Hezbollah fighters
# 05:55 Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek destroyed completely
# 05:45 Israeli army says it has seized three Hezbollah fighters in Baalbek, captives transported to Israel
# 04:00 as-Safir correspondent: Israeli helicopters still launching air strikes on area around Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek until after 3:00 am, while Israeli jet fighters launched fake air strikes; four hours after start of operation, explosions still heard in area; Hezbollah source denies Hezbollah Shura member Sheikh Mohammed Yazbek targeted in Israeli landing attempt
# 03:45 Lebanese sources: second Israeli combat unit advances in outskirts of Baalbek
# 03:10 Israeli air strikes on al-Jamaliyeh near Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek, casualties reported
# 02:30 Lebanese sources confirm Hezbollah surrounding Israeli unit near Baalbek
# 02:15 Hezbollah denies Israeli army may have kidnapped anyone from hospital
# 01:50 Hezbollah: Israeli commandos surrounded in Hikmeh Hospital
# 01:47 Lebanese army foils Israeli landing attempt near Ain Bourday near Baalbek
# 01:36 Intense shelling and helicopters circle over Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek
# 01:35 Fire breaks out in Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek
# 01:30 Israeli sources: operation in Hikmeh Hospital aims to kidnap Sheikh Yazbek, Hezbollah Shura member
# 01:11 Fierce battles around Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek
# 00:54 Hezbollah surrounds Israeli soldiers in hospital in Baalbek
# 00:53 Hezbollah says three soldiers from Israeli helicopter crew hit in Baalbek
# 00:43 Hezbollah says it surrounded Israeli airborne helicopter crew south of Baalbek
# 00:29 Lebanese internal security forces: Israeli helicopters circle at low altitude on Baalbek – Homs road, burns three petrol stations
# 00:26 al-Jazeera correspondent: Israel targets Hikmeh Hospital thinking wounded high-ranking Hezbollah official at hospital
# 00:22 al-Jazeera correspondent: fierce clashes between Hezbollah and Israel troops foils Israeli landing
# 00:05 Large fire breaks out in Baalbek after Israeli shelling near Hikmeh Hospital
# 00:02 Second Israeli landing attempt on Tal al-Abiad near Hikmeh Hospital in Baalbek confronted by Hezbollah
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Boud 00:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have my doubts about that blog since it claims that the Hikmeh hospital was "destroyed completely" during the Israeli raid, but if you watch the CNN reports (just go to CNN and look at the video of the raid) or check out reports made after the raids the hospital is still quite clearly intact and standing. The only damage that can be seen are bullet holes in the walls and damaged cars in the parking lot. The blog also claims that Hezbollah prevents the Israelis from carrying out a number of landings but doesn't seem to state when the Israelis actually made a successful landing for there to be fierce fighting at the hospital. 72.27.85.54 02:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 August 2006 Israeli raid 

message: my english is not very good but did I understood this point in the article right, that Roger Hopkins try to prove the possibility of transport with wooden rollers by using steel rollers? If yes: LOL -- Hartmann Schedel (talk) 12:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree. It's like saying "I demonstrated how ultrasonic jets are build by constructing a paper jet myself." Completely out of common sense. 62.33.188.17 (talk) 15:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theories about moving Stones 

message: There is no mention on this site of of the Temple of Jupiter being turned into a fortress.  This is evident from the columns being felled and stacked into walls to act as protection.  This is the same as at the Roman temple and city complex at Sbeitla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbeitla  where the whole temple complex was surrounded by a hastily built wall formed from every stone imaginable.
At Sbeitla this late fortification just before the fall of the city is acknowledged in the site literature, but not at Baalbek.  I would estimate the same cause for the fortiication, being the Arab invasions in the 8th or 9th centuries.  Same era as the demise of the Dead Cities of Aleppo  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Cities. Narwhal2 (talk) 08:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly - not the best of sources, but see . Dougweller (talk) 16:18, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fortification of site 

message: The German Archaeological Institute web site  says "The third temple, the so-called temple of Venus, was - just as the temples of Jupiter and Bacchus - always visible and in use for the last 1800 years. It is a small round temple with "baroque", concave outer walls constructed in the 3rd century AD. Although its attribution to the goddess Venus is certainly wrong, this traditional name will be used until a more secure identification is possible." and "The temple is preserved up to the level of the roof support and conveys a good impression of the rich architectural decorations of the temples of Baalbek. Its supposed dedication to Bacchus was based on two reliefs flanking the stairway leading up to the cella, but this attribution remains open to discussion." Dougweller (talk) 15:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venus and Bacchus 

message: Found these excerpts from archaeological reports on a forum:
:First results of the current research on the multifunctional complex consisting of a monumental Roman bath (probably built at the end of the 2nd century AD), an elongated banquet hall and a largerbuilding with a peristyle courtyard to the south of the area. All of these buildings are situated along a partially preserved street that leads to the centre of Baalbek. The monumental baths (around 100 x 100 m in size) were investigated intensively from 2001 to 2003 and again in 2008; from a courtyard with porticus the entrance in the main axis of thebuilding leads into the actual bathing area, of which only the substructions, water basins and few remains of the hypocausts are preserved. An odeon on the southern side of the bath complex was probably built towards the end of the 4th c. AD. 
:In the banquet hall further south soundings were undertaken in 2004 and 2005 in order to gain information on the different building phases and their date. At least five phases were distinguished, with a change into a monumental façade with a different orientation in the 2nd phase, and later added porticoes that gave way to the colonnaded street leading to the city. Remains of podia arepreserved on the inside have led to the interpretation as a banquet hall, possibly oriented towards the temple of Mercury and connected to its cult."
(Bulletin d'Archologie et d'Architecture Libanaise)
Again some later excavations and research on the site during the 1960's - 70's included in a report published 2002-03.
:"In the temenos of the Temple of Venus additional cult buildings had been uncovered in the excavations of the 1960's and 70's. Since the summer of 2002 this area is the focus of a new investigation which will conclude with its final documentation.
:In this area a second temple, the Temple of the Muses, as well as the temenos surrounding both Temples were discovered in the 1960's and 1970's. At least fourconstruction phases of the whole area have been detected to date. The first phase involved the construction of the temple of the Muses at an early stage of the Roman building program for the sanctuary of Baalbek. Later, the Temple of Venus was added (3rd century AD) and the porticoes surrounding the two Temples was oriented towards the Temple of Jupiter through a propylon. They already belong to a later phase probably to be dated to Late Antiquity. The floors of the porticoes were raised considerably in the fourth phase and decorated with Byzantine mosaics. Possibly from this time onward the Temple of Venus was used as a Christian church."
("Archaeological Research in Baalbek. A preliminary report on the 2001-2003 seasons")
Some mentions on some of the actual finds of the Complex.
:"The finds during the excavation comprising pottery, bones, stone tools and soil samples were collected stratigraphically. In the section floors and even walls could be identified through detailed observation and provided important insights into the settlement history. The oldest finds are dated by C14 analysis to the end of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic period around 7200 BCE. The settlement mound was only abandoned in the late Hellenistic period due to its transformation into a Monumental Roman Sanctuary and Temple Complex"
(Archaeological Research in Baalbek) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 16:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on the archaeology 

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message: The editor who made the changes from Baalbek to Baalbeck has pointed me to  and (with no url), Lebanon's Ministry of Tourism, but there I find  (Baalbeck in the url) but that uses Baalbek, although  uses Baalbeck. Dougweller (talk) 06:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Lebanon uses Arabic letters, then they are probably using someone else's transliteration. Should we think instead of the most common spelling in the Roman letter-using (if not English-speaking) world? Kortoso (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why, yes, we should. That appears to be "Baalbek". — LlywelynII 23:48, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Wow. And whatever editor did those changes to Baalbeck had absolutely no idea what they were doing. It's perfectly correct to change the running text to whatever the article's new title is but you never change around the formatting or spelling on the quoted material and article titles... — LlywelynII 01:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change? Baalbek or Baalbeck? 

message: The first couple of paragraphs are quite well written, but not exactly neutral POV, however impressive the ruins may be.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.188.28 (talk) 21:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit too tourist brochure-style? 

message: Professor Stefan Winter states in his book The Shiite Emirates of Ottoman Syria (MID 17th –MID 18th Century),page 236:
:“The abrupt disappearance of the Harfush emirate left the shiite community of baalbek bereft of any anciently – rooted , indigenous social leadership , making it that much more of likely venue for the rise of foreign-inspired ideological mass movements such as communism, Nasirism ext…in Lebanon’s tumultuous 20th century”	  
I kindly advice you to read the above mentioned book, where I’m sure that this book will change all the miss concept of the  history of the Ottoman in Baalback and Bekaa Families, bearing in mind that Harfush’s family ruled Baalback and Bekaa for 350 years.--Mharfouche (talk) 12:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Harfush emirate 

message: Dear Sirs
</br>This is the link of the book " The Shiite Emirates Of The Ottoman Of Syria" By Professor Stefan Winter , must be read when we tolk about Baalbek during the Ottoman period because we are talking about documented facts not a point of views. 
Best regards
Mharfouche
--Mharfouche (talk) 20:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Shiite Emirates of Ottoman Syria (MID_17th MID_18th_Century).pdf   Book 

message: Please see this link: http://www.insightturkey.com/the-shiites-of-lebanon-under-ottoman-rule-1516-1788/book-reviews/21  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mharfouche (talk • contribs) 06:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It has nothing on Baalbek. — LlywelynII 23:07, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The-shiites-of-lebanon-under-ottoman-rule-1516-1788/book-reviews 

message: This edit (a paste of the EB11 article) established the usage of this page as British English and . Kindly maintain them consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 00:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:ENGVAR & ERA

message: This pronunciation at Forvo certainly sounds closer to /'bʕælbɛk/ than what we have now. Granted, it's by an Arabic-speaking American, but locals must speak (or have spoken) something closer to that than -beek (/ˈbʕalbik/), which is what we have now. The "Lebanese pronunciation" especially needs double-checking and sourcing because it's certainly : the page used to list the pronunciation as /ˈbʕalbak/ and an editor changed it with no explanation/sourcing whatever. (Normally, I'd be fine with leaving all of the IPA goop for the Wiktionary entry, but we should explain the glottal stop [done] and the proper local pronunciation, I think, since Lebanese Arabic can turn MSA /a/ into several distinct sounds... albeit none of them /i/.) — LlywelynII 10:27, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: But don't return that to the top of the page: it needs to be noted that the Arabic page is almost entirely unsourced and can only be used as a guide for topics to look at for further expansion. — LlywelynII 07:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for article expansion

message: The EI has it falling after a 4 mo siege in 1174; Lock says
:1175...
::Mar. 28: Baalbek surrenders without a fight, but the force from Mosul was approaching Hama. Negotiations ensue.
That doesn't say who took it but a later entry mentions Saladin offering to "hand back" Baalbek.
So, same deal with the initial conquest by Abu Ubaidah: did it fall in one year with a siege or a different year bloodlessly? and why are the sources so confused on the point? — LlywelynII 23:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Saladin's Syrian campaign

message: Probably not focused enough on Heliopolis, but interesting enough to link to here anyway. Could possibly be included if article expands some or if Heliopolis gets split off. — LlywelynII 14:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ptolemaic map

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message: FYI a new article has been created on Heliopolis in Phoenicia. It should probably be integrated with this one in some way. Joe Roe (talk) 18:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heliopolis in Phoenicia 

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message: Under the Name section we have "A few miles from the from which the Litani . . ."
from the from? I think we're missing a name here.50.43.39.82 (talk) 20:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixes. I'm not sure if the edits that did that are ok otherwise.] Doug Weller talk 20:36, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garbled text? 

message: I have removed the background to these events , which did not represent a balanced summary of 2006 Lebanon War. I am not convinced that it's appropriate for us to get into that on this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 16:43, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  events of 2006 

message: "Baalbek's citadel served as a jail for Crusaders taken by the Zengids as prisoners of war. In 1171, these captives successfully overpowered their guards and took possession of the castle from its garrison. Muslims from the surrounding area gathered, however, and entered the castle through a secret passageway shown to them by a local. The Crusaders were then massacred."
Is there a source for this that isn't Alouf's book? There do not appear to be any further citations in there, and I can't find this story in any of the usual crusader or Muslim sources for the period. The only similar event I can find is a crusader raid against Muslim territory in 1170, which is in the chronicle of Ibn al-Athir, but he only mentions the raid taking place near Baalbek (pg 185 in part 2 of the Richards translation), not that prisoners were massacred there. Maybe Alouf misinterpreted something...but maybe I haven't exhausted all the possible sources. So where could this be? Adam Bishop (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crusader prisoners 

message: Again, the climatic description writes: “450mm on average” and the chart shows 389mm on average. דולב חולב (talk) 03:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rainfall