Talk:Zakarid Armenia

message: EtienneDolet
First of all i don't understand why template history of Georgia shouldn't be here.. Zakarid Armenia was part of Georgian Kingdom and all it's history is directly related to the history of Georgia.. 
then as i see the biggest object of debate between us is the nationality of Zakarids. there are 4 or 5 links in references about that but in fact only one of them says the zakarids were armenians with kurdish origins, it's from geni.com. i can't see any sources under the text which proves that. There is a historical work of Georgian Historian Levan Sanikidze called "The Swords Without The Scabbards" in which the author says that the Mkhargrzeli family was in the beggining Gregorian, then diophisite christian.. their mother tongue was Georgian and their mentality was Georgian too. you can see that chapter from his book on this link https://burusi.wordpress.com/2009/08/08/%E1%83%9A%E1%83%94%E1%83%95%E1%83%90%E1%83%9C-%E1%83%A1%E1%83%90%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98%E1%83%99%E1%83%98%E1%83%AB%E1%83%94-%E1%83%AC%E1%83%98%E1%83%92%E1%83%9C%E1%83%98-%E1%83%97%E1%83%90%E1%83%9B/ .. it can be written in the references under article too.. also i have his first edition book in which all this info is written on the page 530.
that's all what i wanted to say, SORRY FOR MY POOR ENGLISH
IrakliGuna (talk) 17:54, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Zakarid Armenia isn't on the History of Georgia template, unlike the History of Armenia template. The state was never called "Georgia" either. Sanikidze seems to be a playwright, not a credible historian. Geni.com isn't a reliable source because anyone can edit it. All noble families typically have foreign ancestry. The Bagratonis are an Armenian family by origin but that isn't mentioned in every sentence about them. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:08, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone  has messed up the page links - when I go to Zakarid Armenia and then move to its talk page I get to here, but when I click back to the article I instead get to Zakarids-Mkhargrzeli which has its own talk page. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Just aligned the talk-page with the article. Cheers, Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article is full of biased information and discriminates everything Georgian 

message: The object historically have not existed at all, attested nowhere before 20th c. Both term and the object are established in modern times.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abkhazian1 (talk • contribs) 12:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to double-check the sources. One of the two sources says that they’re “[…] Armenianized Kurdish family of Zakharids, […]” (The Making of the Georgian Nation, Suny, 1994, pp.39 ). In other words, by the time relevant to this article (or by the time those two individuals earned their positions), they already considered themselves to be Armenian. What I don’t see in any of the sources is your claim that they were “Georgianized.” Many dynasties originate in foreign lands or are of foreign ethnicities (the Bagrationis themselves are an example of this). The distant origin or background of the dynasty is irrelevant in this case. — [ kentronhayastan ] 00:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Not attested

message: Both of the sources added in this edit mention as Armenian, there is no Georgian general. Quotes:
*"Ani was for the first time conquered by the Georgians in 1124, under David II, who laid the foundation of the power of the Georgian kings; the town was given as a fief to the Armenian family of the Zakarids"
*"Later, in the twelfth and thirteenth centuries, the Armenian house of the Zachariads (Mkhargrdzeli) ruled in northern Armenia at Ani, Lor'i, Kars, and Dvin under the Georgian aegis". 
How does these make the general "Armenian-Georgian"? Sources repeatably Armenian house of Zacharids (which the general belongs to), and only mention Georgia when talking about the Georgian kings and conquest. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
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