Talk:Socialist Soviet Republic of Abkhazia

message: I understand that some Georgian sources question or even deny the existence of the Abkhazian SSR. I welcome any person with more information (read: sources) to add this to the article.sephia karta 22:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgian view 

message: Look here at the extracts from the 1921 constitution of Abkhazia (chapter 2, article 6).
For those unfamiliar with Russian I can translate it:
6. The language of the state institutions (государственных учреждений) is Russian.
Note. All the peoples that inhabit Abkhazia have the right to freely develop and use their native languages both in their ethnic-cultural (национально-культурных - hard to translate) and in state institutions.
6. Языком государственных учреждений ССР Абхазии признается язык русский. 
Примечание: Всем населяющим ССР Абхазия национальностям обеспечивается право свободного развития и употребления родного языка как в своих национально-культурных, так и общегосударственных учреждениях. 
So, strictly speaking, Russian was the only official language, however other languages have (per Constitution) basically the same rights. Alaexis 07:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok. It's probabky best then to readd Abkhaz (and possibly Georgian), possibly with a footnote to explain the matter. sephia karta 15:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. Alaexis 15:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official language 

message: Does this cite quoted in the article actually exist?  http://www.rrc.ge/law/declar_1921_05_21_e.htm?lawid=112&lng_3=en - Alsandro · T · w:ka: Th · T 03:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: It seems that given that the formal name for this (albeit short-lived) nation was "Abkhazian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name.  Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Abkhazian Soviet Socialist Republic.  We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we?  --Micahbrwn (talk) 09:22, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move to Abkhazian Soviet Socialist Republic

message: The question is whether the Abkhazian SSR should be mentioned in this template and whether this template should be present in this article. This version of the template was supposed to make the status of Abkhazian SSR clear. Alæxis¿question? 15:11, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why you wanna include? It's never been a republic of USSR directly (read the Constitution of USSR). It was a part (autonomus republic) of Georgian USSR and Georgia was a part of Transcaucasian SFSR before including in USSR directly. --Pianist 20:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not quite. It wasn't an autonomous republic (see both Georgian and Abkhazian constitutions of that time) and it wasn't just a part of Georgian SSR although it was part of Transcaucasian SFSR "via" Georgian SSR. Imho giving the list of the components of the TSFSR in parentheses ("Georgian SSR with Abkhazian SSR, Armenian SSR and Azerbaijan SSR") makes the status of these entities clear to the reader. I think that the parts of TSFSR should be mentioned in the template because unlike another short-lived republic it wasn't demoted to ASSR but split into three constituent republics of the USSR. Alæxis¿question? 09:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

text: There was no constitution of the USSR in 1923! Besides that constitution is not accurate in the sense that it does not actually list the individual constituencies of the republics, like the latter version of the constitution: e.g. the 1936 edition article 25:  В Грузинской Советской Социалистической Республике состоят: Абхазская АССР, Аджарская АССР, Юго-Осетинская автономная область. --Kuban Cossack 18:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is bill of Constitution (that should shows that Abkhazia always was autonomous Republic).  From Constitution of USSR 1924: The autonomous Republics of Adjaria, and Abkhasia and the autonomous region of Osetia, Nagornyi-Karabakh and Nakhichevanskaia each send a representative to the Soviet of Nationalities.Constitution "is not accurate" - ROFL. Constitution is main law of USSR. --Pianist 16:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  USSR republics template 

message: Recently created user:Pianist ru (either an SPA or a sockpuppet) has been going through and deleting only Abkhazia from articles and templates without discussion or rationale. I have reverted all such edits as POV vandalism until a valid rationale is put forth by Pianist ru. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 16:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read constitution of USSR of 1924 a lot of times, then delete my contributions. --Pianist 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Раз неплохо знаешь русский: читай конституцию, додик, а потом уже откатывай. Есть это и в проекте 1923 года и в конечной редакции конституции СССР. --Pianist 23:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text: That is not a valid rationale-you must post it in your own words, explaining your own reasoning. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 23:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Посмотри наверх, лол. --Pianist 23:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

text:  Look at the top of page... --Pianist 04:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[user:Pianist ru]]

message: Some anonymous user put the map in a several articles in several languges. The map contains Ossetians in Trialeti alongside with SSR Abkhazia and South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. The last were Republics with official borders. Ossetian in Trialti is only ethnic claim. It is clear misleading. Geagea (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted border of Trialetian Ossetia from the map. Do you have any other objections to the current map version? It would be nice that you try to discuss problems and possible ways to solve these problems instead to delete my good-faith work from the articles and accuse me for "political agenda". PANONIAN 00:19, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is obvious that you dont have nor the knowledge to make maps and not the sensitivity to deal with dispute issues. Ostiens in Trialeti have nothing with the article about Socialist Soviet Republic of Abkhazia. You can make ethnic map or political map. This is misleading. and the fact that you put the map in alot of articles in alot of languages is harassment. Geagea (talk) 00:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: First, see the source that I used: http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/84/Tsutsiev.jpg Second, what I made is a political map and my source claim that Trialetian Ossetia was an disputed territory, not an "ethnic territory", so I really do not understand what problem you have with this info when it is well sourced? Also, I hope that you noticed that this map show several territories of Soviet Caucasus from that time and it is not focused on Trialetian Ossetia, so the reason why I included this map into articles about Abkhazia and Dagestan is because map show borders of Abkhazia and Dagestan (and if you do not agree only with border of Trialetian Ossetia you have no single valid reason to remove this map from the articles about other subjects). And what "harassment" you speak about? I always put all my maps in all related articles in all Wikipedias, so again: if you have any other objection to this map, please tell me how I can improve it and I will do it. PANONIAN 00:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You only clear my point. You just trying to be "wise guy". Only for what you write her you have to remove first the maps from all the article in all the languages and discuss in tha talk pages. Anyway as I said, It is obvious that you dont have nor the knowledge to make maps and not the sensitivity to deal with dispute issues. Geagea (talk) 00:59, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I will not remove map from any article - map is useful and sourced and to remove it from the articles only because you say so is unacceptable. As for discussion in talk pages, I am trying to discuss the problem with you on this talk page and I asked you do you have any other objection to this map. I hope that you noticed that I corrected map in accordance with your objection about border of Trialetian Ossetia and I will accept all other constructive objection that you raise. However, attempts to insult me (claiming that I am trying to be "wise guy", that I have no knowledge to make maps, etc) or attempts to remove my work from the articles without explanation are not proper ways which one constructive Wikipedia user should follow. As soon as you start talking what you consider wrong in this map, we can solve possible problem and map can be corrected in accordance with your proposal. PANONIAN 10:09, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

text:  This map is clearly another anti-Georgia hysteria and plus complete violation of NPOV, its OR and biased. I will request its prompt deletion. Iberieli (talk) 15:26, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is just rhetorical statement, Iberieli. Do you have any explanation why you think that this map is "anti-Georgian" or "violation of NPOV"? As for "original research" accusation, I created this map according to this source: http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/files/84/Tsutsiev.jpg - You will see that my map reflect data from that source and that it therefore cannot be an original research. PANONIAN 23:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't see how it could be construed to be anti-Georgian, its just shows the historical location of the article's topic. Outback the koala (talk) 20:16, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's clear from the map that "Trialeti Ossetia" was not a administrative entity (its borders are not marked in the way Georgian, Abkhazian etc are). It's the same situation as with Lori or Zakataly - it was a disputed territory (according to Tsutsiyev, at least). So I don't see any major problems with the map. Alæxis¿question? 23:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion reqwest of the map "Soviet caucasus1922.png" 

message: I wanted to let everyone editing this article know that I have 19 photos taken in Abkhazia in 2014 uploaded to the Commons and available here should you have any need. Interlaker (talk) 00:18, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos