Talk:Jef Raskin

message: The article says (as of 2005 Mar 14):
Raskin takes credit for introducing Jobs and other Apple employees to the PARC concepts, but it appears this is not really the case. Raskin also claims to have had continued direct input into the eventual Mac design, including the decision to use a one-button mouse as part of the Apple interface, a departure from the Xerox PARC standard of a three-button mouse. Larry Tesler, among others, debates this claim.
I will attempt an objective critique of the cited passage. Because Jef was such an early employee of Apple, I do believe he was one of the first people there to talk about PARC-developed concepts with his colleagues. In the summer of 1980, he helped me argue for reducing the number of buttons on the Lisa to one. In the summer of 2004, he told me in an email that he had concluded in the 1970's that a one-button mouse would reduce user errors. He said he did not know at the time that other people had reached that same conclusion a few years earlier. I think this was because the people at PARC who Jef met in the '70s only showed him software that relied on all three buttons on an early Xerox mouse. Although he helped the Lisa team to improve the Lisa mouse, Jef's Macintosh design was keyboard-centric. --Larry Tesler 06:33, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: For months now I've noticed the main source of articles written by Raskin, the web site jef.raskincenter.org, has been down, and is either referred to in this article's references, or by other sites listed in references, such as usabilityviews.com.
I've tried making contact with Aza to establish whether the content may be found elsewhere, so that the references could be updated, or alternatively whether the original site will be restored, but haven't been able to reach him.
Anyone with suggestions on how to locate this valuable material, so that also the broken links in this article's references might be updated? CharlBarnard (talk) 06:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can always try and use the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. There's a high chance the linked page will be backed up there. Diego (talk) 10:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Thanks Diego, I wasn't aware of this resource, and do find some of the content there, so will use that to reconstruct if I don't find an easier way! CharlBarnard (talk) 16:03, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nobody's going to step up and mirror jef raskin's site?  archive.org is OK, unless their files suddenly become unavailable (as I've often seen occur.) -wbeaty  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.95.172.173 (talk) 20:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text:  As of September 2014, it seems like the domain's current owner has set a robots.txt to prevent crawls from indexing it, and it somehow has made past versions unavailable in the Archive. If anybody had a backup of the site, or at least of the articles that lived in it, it would be really valuable to put it online again. Ajgelado (talk) 22:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  jef.raskincenter.org unavailable 

message: The caption of the picture of Jef appears to be incorrect.  At least, it appears that the model he is holding is that of the Swyft computer developed at IAI, rather than the Cat.  The Cat got rid of the carrying handle feature in front of the keyboard.  Now it is possible that this model represents some sort of proposed prototype for the Cat, just not the final design.  In either case, the caption seems misleading.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jrsharp (talk • contribs) 02:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture caption 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Jef Raskin. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20100620033144/http://www.prosperlogic.com:80/syntaxposter/ to http://www.prosperlogic.com/syntaxposter/
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20050311091729/http://www.laptopical.com:80/jef-raskin-07351.html to http://www.laptopical.com/jef-raskin-07351.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 21:33, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on Jef Raskin. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080120152125/http://www.humanized.com/weblog/2008/01/16/joining-mozilla to http://humanized.com/weblog/2008/01/16/joining-mozilla/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120222154314/http://www.upassoc.org/upa_publications/upa_voice/volumes/2007/october/kreitzberg.html to http://www.upassoc.org/upa_publications/upa_voice/volumes/2007/october/kreitzberg.html
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 18:41, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Some of Jef's friends originally expanded this article during the time that Jef was dying as well as after. (I was not part of that effort.) Several places, they were reaching, exaggerating. Later, individuals took them to task for this, and rightfully so. Unfortunately, the article has now ended up a strange stew of claims and counterclaims. The whole comes off as mean-spirited, somewhat literally, as the alterations took place after Jef was no longer here to counter them.
I'm in no way suggesting that the article does not now more closely reflect Jef's actual contributions. I am suggesting that someone ought to rewrite it so that the original claims——none false per my knowledge, just exaggerated——are carved back to their proper extent with the charges of Jef falsely claiming this and Jef falsely claiming that either removed or sectioned off into a single section documenting where Jef himself, in other publications, exaggerated. Jef is not responsible for his friends updating his Wikipedia page, so any exaggeration that exists on the page itself are not on him.
(Jef was my mentor and friend starting at Apple in 1978. I witnessed many of the events and evolutions involved.)
Bruce Tognazzini 17:37, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meanspirited