Talk:Scouting and Guiding in mainland China

message: If you are just going to pick semantics and not contribute otherwise to the article, your energies are better spent elsewhere. The topic is Scouting in Mainland China. Geographically, Hong Kong and Macao are connected to the Chinese mainland. Both the ROC and PRC stand by their "one-China" policies, therefore according to them, there is only China. This article pertains to the larger section of China connected to the _mainland_ of Asia, not to your perception of political status. I say again, this article covers the existence of Scouting in the _geographic_ Chinese mainland, outside of the Scouting that exists on Taiwan. This article does not debate political or cultural or 'widely accepted' definitions, just geography. Chris 18:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "mainland China" is rarely, if not never, used for its purely geographical meaning. — Instantnood 18:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It seems apparent you are not familiar with what the term "mainland China" refers to in actual real-life usage. It's irrelevant to the point of view of anyone. Please research on what the term actually means before you use it in writing an encyclopædia article. — Instantnood 18:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It's nothing to do with anybody's point of view. There's never ever any serious writing in which mainland China is defined in this way. Please kindly justify why this different definition of the term stands, why should the term be defined in this way in this article, and suggest how we can avoid confusions with the prevalent meaning of the term.  Thanks in advance. — Instantnood 18:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I'd say your definition is in fact confusing especially to readers who are familiar with how the term is used in almost all ordinary real-life situations. IMO it's more useful to define the geographical scope of this article according to the usual meaning of the term "mainland China", since development of Scouting in Hong Kong and Macau is pretty irrelevant with that in mainland China. There's little reason to mess up everything in an article. Please be reminded that Wikipedia is a collaborated project, and no user owns any entry on Wikipedia. — Instantnood 19:15, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I've slightly rearranged the article and added a leading paragraph as an introduction. I believe it's now much more easier to understand for most readers. — Instantnood 19:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 discussion that does not have a section

message: ran wrote on Talk:Scouting#"There is no Scouting in totalitarian countries":
:#I've been looking around on the Internet and found out two things about Scouting in China.
:#*There is a "Boy Scouts Club" in Hainan province. Official Site. Information is scarce... they might be government-run, or corporate-run (for profit!), or neither...  Needless to say they aren't part of WOSM, but they do seem to take a lot of ideas from Scouting in terms of uniforms, badges, outdoor activities, etc.
:#*Voice of America reports that the government has shut down an attempt to start a Scouting organization in Wuhan, central China. The report is a bit dated: . I'm translating loosely here: the organization was shut down because it had failed to register with the government (which it was required to do); the government thought that the organization was political in nature; the organization was also reportedly seeking help from lawyers. No idea what happened since (presumably the government has not changed its stance). The official site is still up: , and appears to be regularly maintained (latest news item is dated January 10, 2006), there's a BBS on site as well that's passably active (47 posts yesterday), but there's no organization to go with it, and in fact much of the content of that website is copied from the Scouts of Hong Kong.
I think, we should include this informations in the article, but first we need to verify and translate them. --jergen 10:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- ran (talk) 20:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual situation 

message: For me, there is a difference between "banned" and "not permitted". Is there any source that Scouting was officially banned by the authorities in 1949? --jergen 09:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: Scounting is not officially banned in China, they were only abolished after 1949  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.17.162.102 (talk) 15:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It still needs properly cited, I have reverted your changes in the meantime. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 20:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia sources causing false information to be retained.  There is Scouting in China.  RESA East Asia Wolf Cubs held a Camporee in Guangxi, China (July 2014).  Just need to find a reliable source for this fact now.  DiverScout (talk) 15:51, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scouting is not banned 

message: The term is not an exonym. The PRC actually prefers and encourages people to use terms like Zuguo Dalu and Zhongguo Neidi to call its metropolitan. Such terms also appear in PRC's own legislations. 218.250.159.216 (talk) 05:55, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Exonym" 

message: This article should be cleaned up. First of all I suggest the History of international scouting units in mainland china in the main International Units section, and merge recent developments section to the History section.--125.132.155.139 (talk) 03:25, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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