Talk:House of Aisin-Gioro

message: In my browser, many mongolian characters display as blanks. It seems that the corresponding HTML entities are not Unicode but some other national code (Windows?). E.g. in "ài xīn jǘe lúo" the "ī" (ī) comes out as blank. Jorge Stolfi 17:01, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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message: What were The Veritable Records referred to? -- Kaihsu 20:19, 2004 Sep 5 (UTC)
manju-i yargiyan kooli/滿洲實錄. Maybe "Manchu Veritable Records" is better. --Nanshu 03:58, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Veritable Records

message: Hardouin, I've never cared about Chinese transcription of purely Manchu terms, but you add it. So I let you know an interesting note I found.
Quote from A dictionary of Manchu names : a name-index to the Manchu version of the "Complete genealogies of the Manchu clans and families of the Eight Banners", p.IX:
:we may add, as a curiosity, that the Chinese transcription jue of the character 覺 is wrong: in Manchu the syllable jue is transcribed as giowei~jiyowei and, more rarely, as goi. Only the pronunciation "jiao" is transcribed as gio; therefore, the correct transcription is "Aixin Jiaoluo" and not "Aixin Jueluo."
How do you see this? --Nanshu 07:02, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as a matter of fact, the Chinese character 覺 can be pronounced either jue or jiao, but jue is by far the most common pronunciation, and the pronunciation jiao is found only in the word "to sleep" (睡觉) and all the derivatives of that verb. When we write the Manchu name, we should clearly spell it as close as possible from Manchu pronunciation. But when we write the Chinese version of the name, we should reflect how Chinese people would pronounce it. What I know, is that 99.9% of 1.3 billion Chinese people, when they will read the clan name 愛新覺羅, they will pronounce it Aixin Jueluo in putonghua, because that's just the first pronunciation that will come to their mind, irrelevant whether it is close or not from the way the Manchu actually pronounced it, as much as when we pronounce the word Chicago, we pronounce it Chicago, irrelevant how the native indian tribes actually pronounced it (they would have pronounced something like "Sheekagoo", for the records). Hardouin 12:32, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Aisin Jiaoluo?

message: Aixin does mean gold, but not literally. Manchus are descendants of Jin(gold) Clan, so it really means the clan rather than gold.
Jueluo means surname(in Chinese Xingshi) or family(in Chinese Jiazhu). So it means Jin surname or Jin family. 
My apologies as I could not cite the book that I came acrossed. I will check it out in the library again.
Marky
The word aisin does mean gold in Manchu. And gioro does not mean surname but is a surname. In fact, Gioro was a major Manchu clan name.
This common misunderstanding has its roots in Chinese descriptions of the clan. For example, the Chinese edition of the Veritable Record of Taizu Wu Huangdi (the oldest known version of the Veritable Record of Qing Taizu) says:
:愛新華言金也，覺落姓也．
We can hardly judge from these simple notes whether these words are concepts or their instances. --Nanshu 23:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Aixin Jueluo 

message: The word aisin means gold in the Manchu language, and "gioro" means clan in the Manchu language. The word aisin means gold in the Manchu language, but the meaning of gioro is unknown, probably surname.
Conflict? Ytlow 16:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aisin Gioro... 

message: I think there should be another person in one of the heirs and descendants of the Aisin Gioro family: Ai Xin Jue Luo YuHuan, he's an artist who died on June 23, 2003, He was the great-great grandson of the Daoguang Emperor, that means the nephew of the last Emperor Puyi. Just thought you'd like to know.
Eisenhower 21:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add a new person 

message: who the heck is her? does she even exist?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.184.122.53 (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bryna aisin gyoro? 

message: G. CARTER STENT
CHINESE EUNUCHS
[G. Carter Stent, "Chinese Eunuchs," in: Journal of the North China Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, New Series, No. 11, Shanghai, 1877.]
http://www.well.com/~aquarius/stent-chineseeunuchs.htm
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Title	Journal of the North China Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, Volumes 11-12
Author	Royal Asiatic Society Society of Great Britain and Ireland. North China Branch, Shanghai
Published	1967
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Title	Journal of the North-China Branch of the Royal Asiatic Society, Volumes 11-12
Contributor	Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland. North-China Branch
Publisher	Kraus Reprint, Limited, 1967
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Feb 18, 2009
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Rajmaan (talk) 20:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members of the imperial family who lost their rank 

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Rajmaan (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pulun 

message: Aisin Gioro Y chomosome DNA was found in "Xibe, Outer Mongolians, Inner Mongolians, Ewenki, Oroqen, Manchu, and Hezhe" males and number around 1 million people. Their ancestor was Nurhaci's grandfather Giocangga, whose descendants made up the Qing dynasty nobility. But the Y chromosome was not found in the general Han Chinese population.
The Y chromosome cluster is specifically C3c, part of the General Haplogroup C-M217, which Genghis Khan's lineage is a part of, although the Manchu Aisin Gioro Y chromosome is part of a different cluster than Genghis Khan's
The reason it spread among these specific minority groups, but not among the Han Chinese population, is because the Qing Manchu nobility was concentrated specifically in the ethnically Manchu Eight Banners and not in the Mongolian and Han Eight Banners, and the specific ethnic groups which made up the Manchu Eight banners were "Manchu, Mongolian, Daur, Oroqen, Ewenki, Xibe".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1285168/
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002929707633941
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Rajmaan (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aisin Gioro Y chromosome DNA found in several ethnic minorities, but not found in Han Chinese 

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Rajmaan (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage ties 

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message: The article currently begins as such: "Aisin Gioro was the Manchu ruling clan of the Later Jin dynasty (1616–1636), the Qing dynasty (1636–1912) and, nominally, Manchukuo (1932–1945). " The sentence appears to confuse dynasties with empires, or it is as mysterious as saying "The House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha is the house that rules the Windsor dynasty." - without mentioning the Kingdom of England. I believe the sentence should instead read "Aisin Gioro was the Manchu ruling clan of the Later Jin khanate (1616–1636), the Qing Empire (1636–1912) and, nominally, Manchukuo (1932–1945). " I will edit it but leave this comment in case there is need for a discussion. 2A02:810A:9C0:59E0:F037:39A5:D59C:5F24 (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording