Talk:Bidet

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.72.1.156 (talk) 03:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I have been in many countries of L. America, and the only countries where the bidet is used in almost every house, is in Argentina and URuguay, I was told it was bring with the Italian, Spanish and French immigrants (most of theirs population ancestries) in the 19th century.   
That text about other L. AMerican countries having extremely common usage should be changed.
: I don't know where have you been, but at least in Bolivia it is found in a large amount of houses. --169.232.243.221 09:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common usage in Latin Americas besides Argentina and Uruguay???? 

message: «Apparently, cavaliers would sing a famous folksong which begins: À dada sur mon bidet... while using the bidoaille.»
In this song bidet only refer to a pony ... the source of the previous assertion seems to be the humourous (and no more existing) web site Virtual baguette. It's more a «comptine» (~ nursery rhyme) than a real folksong. It is sang sung by parents when playing with their children.
FoeNyx 10:33, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: is sung lysdexia 13:52, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you FoeNyx 13:20, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Folksong 

message: I found this line in the last paragraph in popularity. it it just link spamming? An alternative would be buying a bidet attachment for regular American toilets for approximately $150 from companies such as USAbidet.com.
Rdoger6424 00:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly the disappearance of the bidet has something to do with an improvements in modern plumbing, including the installation of showers in many homes, and a consequent increase in daily showering over the late 20th century?  The point could be made in the entry that bidets arose at a time when most people didn't bathe regularly but were probably recognizing the health and other advantages of at least regularly washing the genital/anal area.  When daily showering is common, perhaps there is less need for bidets?68.72.88.66 20:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The article doesn't mention what you're supposed to do with a soggy crotch after using the bidet.  If you try to dry yourself with toilet paper, it shreds into mush.  32.97.110.142 04:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is another reason "electronic bidets" are becoming more popular; they use a gentle flow of warm air, similar to an electric hand dryer.  Reify-tech (talk) 15:20, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drying 

message: could somebody fill out the usage section?  i'm actually unclear about how bidets are commonly used.  do you use any soap?  do you use a cloth or rag-- either for the washing or drying?  do you simply use a nozzle to spray?  and then dry yourself? I don't know.
-They are used, especially in Italy, with soap and after the use of toilet paper, then you dry with a dedicated towel. Is a common misconception that it's a substitute of the toilet paper, the real purpose is to completely wash yourself without have to take a shower.93.41.179.211 (talk) 19:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: more on usage

message: 24.205.54.66 said in an edit comment: (→toilet paper is used to dry off with AFTER using a bidet, not before as the article stated.)  I've never used a bidet, but isn't toilet paper a poor choice of material to dry off a dripping bum? PrometheusX303 13:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TP: Before or after? 

message: "In contrast, residents of countries where the bidet is to be found in every private house, find it difficult to change their habits. The only alternatives to a bidet in such cases is to use the bathroom sink or shower."
Who wrote this thing? I come from Southern europe and I can assure you nobody would ever think about doing such an unsanitary thing like washing anus and genitalia in a bathroom sink. Don't give us a bad name, wikipedians! Lullalulla 2:39, 4 October (UTC)
I for one have used a sink when a bidet wasn't available. Several times... I sound ruthless Spugna 17:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bathroom sink isn't a valid alternative 

message: no photos? i recall there were photos. Xah Lee 03:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No photos? 

message: I moved the sentence "Foreign tourists to countries where a bidet is common can sometimes mistake it for a toilet.  This mistaken identity can lead to an accident defecating in the bidet!" in the Usage section because it didn't belong where it was. Oddity- 21:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved sentence 

message: In France (possibly Europe) Bidets were used for contraception as well, there should be a paragraph on this... Sfacets 08:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contraception

message: I just recently returned from France and a wonderful vacation. However, I was puzzled by the bidets. I have seen them many times and agained wondered about their use. After reading this article several questions need to be addressed and I am really looking for the answers. First, I am a male and one has to consider two bodily functions - urinating and defacating. I also have a feeling that clothing has a lot to do with the use of the bidet. In modern western society, men's slacks open with a "fly" and typically, urinating is very easy and a self terminating process. There is no soiling of the entire penis or the clothing or the hands. Men usually wash their hands after urinating due to the slight perspiration (ordor) that occurs in the groin area, and health codes require handwashing by food employees to prevent the spread of various contagious medical conditions. As for daily hygiene, the typical shower in the morning or in the evening washes the entire body. I don't have to go into further details. Does the bidget substitute for the daily shower?
Now as for women, today in western society women wear either slacks or skirts and of course - some wear underwear. For women use of the western toilet implies dropping the trousers and underwear and/or lifting the skirt. The style of western toilet fits into this type of clothing design. 
But the bidet has some real logistical issues involved. A man or a woman with lowered clothing cannot easily sit on a bidet and face the water controls. Does this imply that the clothing has to be removed - a rather involved process. 
Most items are designed for ease of use, so there has to some analysis of the use of the bidet in context with clothing.
I have also travelled extensively in Japan, where there seems to be an incorporation of the two units into one for ease of use.
So I would appreciate anyone who could shed some light on this subject.
Reaction August 30, 2008. In my appartment in France I have a small toilet cabinet with no room for a bidet, and a small bathroom with a bidet and no room for a toilet. For general hygiene I shower every day. When I take a poo, I use the toilet and wipe with paper, then go to the bathroom, use the bidet and dry with a tiny towel that I take from a stack and deposit in the washing basket. Habits vary from family to family. The bidet certainly is no substitute for the daily shower. Wearing pants or skirt makes no difference, it's a simple thing you quickly learn.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.0.192 (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Simple Questions

message: The article makes reference to their popularity in some countries in East Asia and Southern Europe, but in the UK they do not appear to be a common fixture. Can anyone tell/verify whether this is the case or not?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 16:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm British and in the last 30 years I've only come across two bidets. And one of those was owned (and fitted) by an Italian. Amniarix (talk) 17:59, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncommon in the United Kingdom? 

message: I guess they would be nice except they don't rinse down the drain very well  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.155.193 (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diaper Wipes? 

message: I'm kind of surprised such a thing as a bidet exists.  On the rare occasions when I've gotten poop on my hand, like after a diaper change, simply holding it in a stream of water doesn't get it off.  It has to be rubbed off.  So what does a bidet do except for wetting the soiled areas? -Rolypolyman (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, if you think your anus and buttocks are clean after rubbing them with toilet paper, you are seriously misled. And filthy. The paper just moves the stuff around, it doesn't clean it. 85.18.227.219 (talk) 13:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that use of bidets is any more hygienic than using toilet paper? Because I see no sources in the article to back up that claim, and it'd be just great if we can get an expert like yourself to enlighten the rest of us "dirties" who are still partial to the paper. Mikhajlovich (talk) 06:16, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is more hygienic, but you have to use soap! --93.67.127.168 (talk) 14:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thing about it liek this:Do you think you will be as clean wiping your whole body with paper or by taking a shower? Water and hands clean more then just paper clearly...212.76.241.182 (talk) 23:50, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do these things really work? 

message: When the Dutch ruled the "Netherlands Indies" (now Indonesia), squat toilets were in general use there, and people cleaned themselves with water. The Dutch colonialists all followed these habits. When they returned to Holland, they kept using water to clean themselves after toilet use. In their Dutch homes, the Indian repatriates had bottles of water for this purpose, one for each member of the family. Many of the people in Holland thought this unhygienic (touching genitals and anus), but the repatriates thought the Dutch custom of wiping with paper unhygienic (not washing themselves, and walking all day with a dirty anus).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.0.0.192 (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesian bottle bidet 

message: Is there any mention of how these are less a choice than a necessity for hairier people? As a somewhat hairy man, I can say that washing is the only way to clean yourself, toilet paper is not even half good at doing the job sometimes. 90.193.39.105 (talk) 02:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hairier people

message: I have never used or even seen a bidet and after reading this article still have no blasted clue how the thing is used. It isn't very obvious from just looking at it-where does the water come out? Is there some sort of heretofore unseen buttscrubbing instrument involved, or does the jet of water that blasts the nether regions from below do the job by itself? How do you use one without the water jet? Why is there no seat? Why are there three handles? Is it really safe to bathe a baby in the same fixture that was just used to wash poo from a posterior (As per paragraph 1 of "Usage")? Are bidets common in European public restrooms? The usage section of this article has a lot of information on where they're used, and what they're used for, but no real description of how one would be used in the wild. There is no doubt that cleaning with water is altogether more sanitary (and I personally prefer to use a paper towel saturated with water from the sink), but the condescending remarks from Europeans on this discussion page are unnecessary and do little to explain the proper technique.
Anonymous, 12/9/2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.84.42.247 (talk • contribs) 9 December 2008
: Easy stuff: you sit on it, open the tap, wet everything (butt, genitals and inner tighs), put soap in your hands, wash everuthing with soap, rinse with water.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.220.44 (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I second the question on the three taps. What do they do? Hot, cold and drying maybe? 90.130.168.79 (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Usage 

message: I do not know what it means to "shatif," and it is my guess that neither does the average Western reader.  This sentence should have some explanation, and also its current location, right under the section on the increasing popularity of the bidet in the aging community, is a bit confusing: does the "so" refer to the whole article, the usage section, or what?   Cerebellum (talk) 19:58, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After some cursory research, I've removed this sentence.  A google search for "shatif Islamic law" (no quotes) returned 25 matches, none of them shed any light on the subject.  --Cerebellum (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "So, for an individual to use a bidet properly, he must "shatif" according to traditional Islamic law." 

message: I was surprised to see that there was no section on how hygienic / sanitary the bidet is (as compared to toilet paper); have any scientific studies been done that can be referenced?  
Also, it seems that there is a strong feeling by users of one cleaning method that the other is insufficient to do the job / unhygienic / etc.  Is this due to cultural unfamiliarity?  Is this a widespread phenomenon?  If so, perhaps this should be mentioned in the article as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.203.10.155 (talk) 03:31, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How Hygienic / Sanitary; Controversy 

message: Why isn't there a section on a toilet spray or hose? It's common in homes in Singapore and some public toilets to have a hose or a spray for you to clean yourself after doing your business. This is what a typical toilet spray would look like.
It's much easier to install and cheap as well, as compared to a bidet. Plus, you can maneuver the head to whichever angle you like. Works for both "normal" toilet bowls and the squat ones (yes, we still have them here too). 219.75.47.126 (talk) 05:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toilet spray/hose 

message: I'm Argentinian, Italian descendent, and I've been using the bidet all my life.
I've never used this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bidet_Ego_Kolo.jpg
the bidet shown in the first photo of the article, but I know it is used in Spain. I think it serves to wash just the genitalia, you sit watching the wall and open the tap... I'm just guessing.
As you can see, the usage changes according to the culture. Here we use this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bidet_top.jpg
The strange one with the three taps.
The water comes like in this photo: http://thelobbyconspiracy.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/iace_1970_bidet.jpg
From the basin with the pourpose to clean it and from the nozzle in the middle
You sit backwards to wash the anus and like in the Spanish one to clean the genitalia. 
One tap is for hot water, the other one is for cold and the third one, in the middle, is to regulate the amount and the stregth of the water that pours up from the nozzle.
You can wash with soap, dry with a towel or toilet paper.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.252.34.85 (talk) 10:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage 

message: Should the two pages be combined? It seems a Bidet is just an Enema that's connected to a toilet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 (talk) 11:22, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol. As the article explains the bidet is for washing your wedding tackle and poop shoot.  An enema involves squirting water right up your bottom.  This only happens with a bidet if the  tap nozzle is unfortunately shaped and there is a slippery floor.  --89.241.55.22 (talk) 07:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the difference between a Bidet and Enema? 

message: First hyperlink in the third paragraph under "Integration of Toilet and Bidet" Come on now that's a commercial.  Can it.   Ulao (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Comercial

message: Hi all
I have just made a new account on wikipedia.
I wanted to add a page on bidets, but then I found this one.
Can I add my website as a reference for some data in this page?
The url is : http://www.plstrade.ca
Thank you
Zarzor 2010 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can I add my link to this page? 

message: The bidet that I'm most familiar with looks like a small shower head available immediately by the toilet (but not integrated in the toilet) -they seem to be quite common in Finland.  Hm, I see it's referred to as a "shower spray" further up in the discussions.  It should probably be commented and illustrated on the bidet page anyway.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.202.165.112 (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shower bidet 

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message: "Two American companies produce have taken the trend and manufacture The Biffy and USABIDET toilet mounted bidets in recognition of this domestic growth."  How does the word "produce" make any sense in this sentence.  If used as a verb, there is a double verb because of "have taken".  From the description given in the Summary "adding the fact that there are two US companies producing the product domestically" the word should be product(s) if meant to be a noun.  Almost sounds as though the author started to say one thing and changed it, but it is very awkward.  Could someone who edits this page and can figure out the intent of author clean this up so it reads better.  Thanks. 68.225.205.146 (talk) 03:30, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Under "Trends in acceptance" - sentence needs fixing

message: The article says about taly: Bidets are common bathroom fixtures in many southern European countries, especially Italy, where they are found in 97% of households (the installation of a bidet in a bathroom is mandatory from 1975)
Is that really true about Italy?? I haven't travelled there extensively but on my few trips, I havn't noticed a bidet in every bathroom. Why should it be mandatory anyhow? Can any readers from Italy enlighten us? EvM-Susana (talk)
: It's true. They can be found in every bathroom, with the exception of public lavatories. I think they are mandatory in hotel rooms of all categories. In private residences it is mandatory in at least one of the bathrooms. (DECRETO MINISTERIALE D.M. 05-07-1975) --Twilight 23:39, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about geographical occurrence: mandatory in Italy?? 

message: The stub article has not been expanded since its creation in 2013, and most of its content already exists in the Bidet article here. I suggest we import any useful material and delete the duplication. Reify-tech (talk) 20:32, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I would support such a merger. EvM-Susana (talk) 19:31, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Support for reasons cited. Rklawton (talk) 22:34, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

text: what else do we need to do before we can either go ahead with the merger or discuss it further? EvMsmile (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Electronic bidet]]

message: You can find a Similar Product to be attached to the current toilet!
www.Facebook.com/SmartBidet  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amir.Morkos (talk • contribs) 17:59, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar Product   

message: Article has an old source (1975) where it lists Finland as commonly having bidets. Bidet showers have replaced them.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.69.223 (talk) 23:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: could you please provide more information on this? Do you have a reference and what do these bidet showers look like? I have made some edits to the sentences where Finland was mentioned. EvMsmile (talk) 02:58, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finland 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to this article, bidets are often found in Czech Republic. I just wonder, what is the source for this. I live in CZ my entire life and I dont recall ever encountering one, or even knowing anyone who has one. They might be installed in hotels for tourists and I suppose some people might have them installed in new houses, but we usually dont have enough space for them (or, as a matter of fact, desire to have one), especially considered that toilets are usually in special room (ie. not in the batroom, but in separate closet). Unless someone provide source for this claim, I shall delete it. Sorrowofstpetersburg (talk) 19:30, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bidets in Czech Republic 

message: Can someone, with the energy and time, please edit this paragraph so it resembles english? No idea how long it's been there and I'm not sure what the editor was trying to say... 
"The more effective ones, those with vertical jet, replace entirely the use of toilet paper, as with them the high effectiveness permits the use of separate towel[citation needed]. They are not necessarily meant to replace the use of toilet paper. Often they are used after some paper to achieve full cleanliness without immediately having to take a shower."
I get the idea that the author is trying to say that using a bidet removes the need for toilet paper, as the jet stream removes all feces making it possible to just use a towel. This might be relevant info, though I can't decide whether it's just crude or useful. Anyone?
--Torsrthidesen (talk) 17:03, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, have improved it. Do you agree with how I have worded it? EvMsmile (talk) 12:44, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammar

message: Up to now this subject was included as a secondary theme of other bidets,as standalone and hand held bidets. But as its growth was comparably far more intense than the rest bidets, i think is necessary to dedicate a separate page to it.
There are three basic types of bidets.1. The newer ones, called ADD ON type or combined,or attachable bidets, with many sub types.  2. The WASHLET HAND HELD TYPE.  3. THE STANDALONE TYPE.
1. The ADD ON types, have lately shown a great gowth in type numpers and sales and are divided in numeral subtypes with interesting different characteristics.  They don’t need any space, as they are fixed on  the already existent toilets. The water jet is produced inside the regular toilet bowl. They are divided mainly to:
          a. Those producing oblique water jet , fixed at the middle of back toilet rim or  the bowl lid They can  be mechanically or electronically controlled. The flash tube is usually fixed and stable.
          b. Those, usually electronically controlled,with less oblique jet, empbodied on the toilet lid, at again the middle of back rim, their flash tube moving forwards and backwards, in and out. The jet is less or more oblique. The electronic types  work with electric current, or by batteries. They can warm the  cold water stream passing through them and supply warm air for drying up. Some of them are remotely controlled.
         c. Those producing exactly vertical water jet : cold or hot, depending on their connection with cold or warm water supply. The apparatus is attached at the side rim, or the side of cover lids.  The water flash tube, at no use position, lies along and under the side, right or left, toilet rim. Up to now only mechanically controlled.  
All above bidet types can have thin or wide water jet. So the thin jet is targeting at the narrow anus area. That, in combination with its exact vertical direction, leads to a very restricted body area being watered
                         Functuality characterics
a. Oblique jets: Wide body area watered. Not very effective specially in hemorrhoids.Danger of cloth wetting. Danger of filthy staff being pushed in women's genitalia. Could not be used in toilet risers and wheelchars with a pot.                         
b. Less oblique jets: Reduced all above mentioned disadvantages. Still could not be used in toilet risers and wheelchairs. Expensive,vulnerable because of their complexity, difficult to use. Difficulties in cleaning the lid with water. Luxurious and offering more extras, as warm drying up air, topically warmed water, which could be as well thought as a serious sanitary disadvantage( J UOEH. 2014 Jun 1;36(2):135-9. A survey on bacterial contamination of lavage water in electric warm-water lavage toilet seats and of the gluteal cleft after lavage.Katano H1, Yokoyama K)
c. Thin and exact vertical water jet:It targets a very restricted body area, the necessary needed.100% effective. So there are two important main concequencies. 1. There is no need for use of any toilet paper, or at most to use of a small piece of it for drying up. That means (combined with the easines in disinfecting it by each user) ths bidet type could be used in public or hospital toilets) A second importan consequence is cold water sensation is negligible, so no real need for wa Nozzle tube under side rim at no use position, so never could get spoiled by feces. It might be cheap or expensive, easily disinfected. Not around splash water, no cloth wetting, no danger for women genitalia infection, especially after child birth.  Possibility , in some types, to  be able to get applied to raised toilets and even in cases of persons using wheelchair with a pot, appropriate for blind people, as they, for obvious reasons, need to be sure about the cleaning result. Durable, more hygienic, as they don’t need warm water to be used. Could be cheap.                                                                                                                                  
08:38, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ADD-ON BIDETS 

message: Fue creado en Francia para higienizarse las partes íntimas después del sexo, resistido por el catolicismo y adoptado por los argentinos, que reinventamos la forma de utilizarlo. ¿Cómo concebir un baño sin bidet? Los viajeros tuvieron que acostumbrarse, porque este artefacto fue cayendo en desuso en la mayoría de los países del mundo. Y la Argentina podría ser el próximo en el que desaparezca para siempre: el Código de Edificación que ya recibió aprobación inicial elimina la obligatoriedad de incluirlo en los baños.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.35.124.162 (talk) 09:14, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  El bidet: la historia de un invento francés