Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 21

message: As noted by Fireplace the 'Secondary categorization rule' of WP:SUBCAT does apply perfectly here: When an article is put into a subcategory based on an attribute that is not the first thing most people would think of to categorise it, it should be left in the parent category as well. (My attempts to explain this early were clumsy, sorry about that, but this is spot on.) -- Kleinzach 10:36, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to keep the issue of the removal of operas from :Category:Operas here and not split it off. I've been away from my desk all day but it seems the categories have not been replaced. Am I wrong? -- Kleinzach 10:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Operas]] and the 'Secondary categorization rule' of [[WP:SUBCAT]]

message: Along the lines of these and in light of the comments here (A Musing) and here (Mak), I think a substantial List of years in opera article, with 401 associated articles (being now in the 400th anniversary of L'Orfeo), would be a valuable educational and navigation tool.  Unless there are objections, I'll get started. Obviously such a project will never be complete, but given the excellent list articles we already have, it shouldn't be too hard to populate the pages. Fireplace 00:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Addendum: I see that List of years in music includes some opera information.  My sense is that, just as there is enough content to merit List of years in poetry separate from List of years in literature, there's enough material out there for an opera chronology.  Fireplace 01:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we already have the List of important operas which is a list of years in opera and a very good one (featured article). -- Kleinzach 03:31, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of years in opera]] 

message: Is :Category:Multiple-language operas for operas where the libretto uses more than one language, or for operas where the libretto is monolingual but has been translated into one or more other languages?
Either way, could somebody clarify the situation in the category text? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was created in 2005. I think it must be for operas where the libretto uses more than one language, but I suggest you check the individual operas. -- Kleinzach 14:17, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, and it contains both. Is that satisfactory? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Is the text vaguely clear now? Mak (talk) 16:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clear enough, and I've re-catted the above two operas (and added Oedipus Rex to the multi-lang cat - the libretto is in Latin and the vernacular of the audience). --GuillaumeTell 16:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Multiple-language operas 

message: I am currently changing the format for roles to frame format – hopefully all our future articles will be using frames for roles (refer Puccini’s articles).  It is best if we could standardize the format. But there are many “empty”  info like the singers name,  voice range and also the conductor. Hopefully somebody could fill them up - Jay 13:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The basic box should be the same, as for example Les contes d'Hoffmann. If anything is unclear please ask. The boxes are close in style though there are minor variations. No great problems I think. Perhaps it's better to concentrate on operas where we have some of the names of role creators?  Otherwise the boxes will look rather empty. Thanks for your work. -- Kleinzach 13:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm adding the creators of Verdi roles (as listed in Budden) to Jay's boxes as time permits.  I think we need a few more articles on C19 Italian opera singers and am redlinking those that have entries in the Oxford Dictionary of Opera. --GuillaumeTell 14:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be useful. I started working on a list of pre-recording era singers before and would be happy to share the information. We have no lists or relevant categories so it is difficult to know what is in the wild. (We also lack articles on a lot of 19th century French singers). -- Kleinzach 06:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Frame box for roles in Verdi’s articles

message: Please place your name next to each article you intend to translate
*Teatr Wielki w Warszawie - Opera Narodowa (Grand Theatre, Warsaw - National Opera)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatr_Wielki_w_Warszawie
*Warszawska Opera Kameralna  (Warsaw Chamber Opera - opera company/house)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warszawska_Opera_Kameralna
*Teatr Wielki w Łodzi (Grand Theatre,Łódź - opera house)  (User:Folantin)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatr_Wielki_w_%C5%81odzi
*Teatr Wielki im. Stanisława Moniuszki w Poznaniu (Grand Theatre/Stanisław Moniuszko Theatre, Poznań - opera house)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatr_Wielki_im._Stanis%C5%82awa_Moniuszki_w_Poznaniu
*Opera Krakowska (User:Folantin) (Kraków Opera - opera company, house still under construction)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Krakowska
*Opera Śląska w Bytomiu (User:Folantin)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_%C5%9Al%C4%85ska
*Opera Wrocławska (d. Opera Dolnośląska) (Wrocław Opera, formerly Lower Silesian Opera - opera house)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opera_Wroc%C5%82awska
*Teatr Muzyczny w Lublinie (Music Theatre, Lublin - opera house)
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teatr_Muzyczny_w_Lublinie
It may be a good idea to crosspost this to WP:PWNB and suggest collaboration.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List to do

message: There is an article on Vocal range explaining the (basically Anglo-American) classification of voices in contrast to Fach explaining the German system, which originates from the German Wikipedia. (I have had Fach on my watchlist because every month or two sometimes tries to translate all the terms into English and then transform it into a second Vocal range.) A new editor User:Operalala has now developed a third article called Voice type (formerly Vocal weight), pretty much covering the same area as Vocal range (but referring to Fach rather than Italian voice types).
There is even more proliferation on individual voice types. For example we have Soprano, and also Soubrette, Lyric soprano, Lyric coloratura soprano, Dramatic coloratura soprano, Spinto soprano, Dramatic soprano, and Wagnerian soprano, largely using material from the main soprano article, also a List of famous sopranos and a List of notable sopranos (another User:Operalala creation). (I haven't even dared look at the tenor articles . . .)
It all needs merging and cleaning up. Does this subject interest anyone? We probably need two or three interested editors to sort it all out. -- Kleinzach 04:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice article proliferation