Talk:Sport in Ireland

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Where did you get the sources for GAA attendance figures?--Rollie 23:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the word traditional might make more sense... any other suggestions? CGorman 00:08, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, traditional is much better, you should think about moving athletics too.Notjim 10:37, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made that change... but im wondering should the sports be segregated at all - should they just be listed in overall popularity (e.g. Gaelic, soccer, hurling...) or should they be broken up as mainstream (gaelic, soccer) and other (swimming, squash...)? Feedback much appreciated. CGorman 16:03, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How is rugby more traditional than soccer? They're both barracks games with no native history. We should either remove the divide or limit native games to those run by the GAA GreatGodOm 12:56, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should go with native games (i.e. GAA only) and other, perhaps together with a note on the emotional baggage that goes with the native/foreign games demarcation, such as Rule 42, etc. RMoloney 14:00, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Great_Britain_at_the_Olympics_to_Category:Great_Britain_and_Northern_Ireland_at_the_Olympics
--Mais oui! 22:14, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team? 

message: To quote Ernest Hemingway: "There are only three real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." So how come no Irish Rock Climbing??? Dalkey quarry has looong been a center for irish alpine training, and mor recently, has produced some excellent, world class boulderers. Will get me books together and start this sometime tomorrow - any comments? Smitz 11:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hemmingway's word might not be gospel. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 02:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Rock Climbing 

message: I have moved the association football section from "Other sports" to traditional sports, on the grounds that it 
a) dates back at least as far as Rugby Union, with the Irish FA being founded in 1885. 
b) is one of the most popular sports played in Ireland 
beano 13:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Soccer 

message: Should this not be a traditional sport? It is thought to have derived from an Irish game and Michael Cusack very nearly made it into a GAA sport. After the GAA rejected it as "foreign" it declined severely. EamonnPKeane 21:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cricket

message: Thier is far to much is weasel talk here , i'm too close to the GAA to be WP:NPOV but someone needs to have a look (Gnevin 11:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:Weasel]]

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message: Currently the article say:
:Notable rugby union schools include Belvedere College, Blackrock College, Rockwell College, Clongowes Wood College, Terenure College, PBC Cork and CBC Cork in the south and the Royal Belfast Academical Institution and Methodist College Belfast in the north.
The sentence should be re-written based on the articles Connacht Schools Senior Cup, Leinster Schools Senior Cup, Munster Schools Senior Cup, Ulster Schools Senior Cup and using a source like School Of Hard Knocks and/or a list of schools which have old-boys who have gone on to play for the national team. --Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 11:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There should be more about schools rugby but I wonder if this is the right page? Perhaps Irish Rugby Football Union or Rugby union in Ireland or Irish rugby union system? Or maybe there should be a page Schools Rugby in Ireland? Peter Clarke (talk) 12:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  School Rugby 

message: Why is it that soccer is broken up into ROI and N. Ireland, when rugby union is all-Ireland?  I don't understand.  It appears that rugby union is more popular, so it would appear the political/sectarian/nationalist tensions would cause more strife about the more popular sport.  What am I missing?  --  Grant.Alpaugh 07:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking off my wiki cap for a minute and giving my opinion ,soccer in more popular the rugby in a few ways notablity participation levels. As for why soccer is broken up into 2 bodies well that hard to say but some of the factors that might of had an effect was they fact that soccer was administered from outside the free state where as Rugby was in Dublin, Rugby already had a north -south divide and merged , they difference in social classes supporting and organising  Rugby Gnevin (talk) 07:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association Football 

message: Moving to talk. My revert to the edit which reads "Celtic and Rangers, whose Old Firm derby has been influenced by the often sectarian nature of Northern Irish politics" was based on the fact that:
# This is really "Sport in Scotland", not in Ireland. And
# This wording suggests that the partisan structures of Old Firm rivalries has it's BASIS in "Northern Irish politics". Which it doesn't. It has it's basis in SCOTTISH history and politics. It has parallels to NI politics (which communities and the "90 minute biggots" have highlighted through association in the last 50 years). But it's not caused by NI politics. As the wording suggests.
The "Old firm rivalries" are mainly based on sectarian tensions in Glasgow itself, going back to the late 19th century. (A little before the "Troubles" in NI of the last 60 years). Celtic was formed as a club to give an outlet to poor Catholic families - at a time when the city of Glasgow had the same issues as other places in Britain where Catholic dis-enfranchisement was still largely un-resolved by the Catholic Emancipation acts from 50 years earlier. (Legislation is one thing. Change is another). The "rivalries" between Celtic and Rangers subsequently built up because of differences in community, class and political outlook. In the SAME WAY, but INDEPENDENT OF, similar problems in Ireland. It wasn't until the latter half of the 20th century (80+ years later) that PARALLELS in the situation were highlighted as certain communities and individuals looked to the football terraces as a way of galvanising their community or political outlook. In the same way that the skin heads do in Poland today, and groups of other political persuasions do all over the world. There is a VERY big difference to be drawn here between cause and effect. And the current wording is too casual about this. And - frankly - isn't appropriate in an article at this level. If you want to focus this connection, consider doing so at Sectarianism in Glasgow, Old Firm, or any number of related articles. (Frankly, it seems a little strange that the editor who added this sentence - not 5 minutes ago you - claimed ignorance of the complexities of politics in football in Ireland, and then stuck in an "interpretation" of it.) Guliolopez (talk) 17:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Firm 

message: I think there should be a section on the politics of sport in Ireland particularly on the cross-border issue as some sports are organised on an All-Ireland basis (incl Gaelic Games Hurling & Football and "Garrison Games" such as Rugby & Cricket) while Athletics and Soccer have seperate bodies for the Republic & Northern Ireland.  This has also led to anomalies in an Olympic context with sports men & women representing Ireland under their sports rules but the UK under Olympic rules and vice versa.
--Gramscis cousin (talk) 08:44, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics of Sport in Ireland 

message: This article (citing the FAI homepage) says soccer. However, this morning's Irish Times, citing the latest ESRI report, says 'Gaelic football and hurling remain the leading sports for social participation.' See: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0218/1224241332556.html 86.42.117.220 (talk) 05:18, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's out of context the ESRI report states "Soccer is by far the most popular team sport, but ranks poorly among women relative to other sports. Combining volunteering, membership and attendance, Gaelic games remain the leading sports for social participation, but there are now more gym members than GAA members" Dkin (talk) 15:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The key word is social. What does that mean Gnevin (talk) 15:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest participation sport in Ireland?

message: In Ireland we refer to 'hockey' and 'Ice hockey.' The governing organisations are called Irish Hockey (governing field hockey) and the Irish Ice Hockey Association (governing ice hockey). Please refer to WP:ENGVAR, it is customary to use local parlance in wiki on a page with strong ties to a particular country. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The IHA page refers to "field hockey" rather than hockey. If the governing body of field hockey in Ireland uses the term field hockey, that's certainly authoritative enough to use the term. Doc Quintana (talk) 19:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? I'm from Ireland and never heard of a game called 'field hockey' until I moved to America. Irish Hockey don't refer to themselves as 'Irish Field Hockey,' and one page probably written for the benefit of an international audience is not representative of how people in Ireland talk.  The reference to 'field hockey' on the About Us page is the exception to the rule and would take most Irish readers by surprise.  Also, note how the same website also refers to the 'Irish hockey league,' 'Ards Hockey Club,' 'Loreto Hockey Club,' 'Hermes Hockey Club,' etc.  --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've just proposed a solution in the article that probably addresses both your concerns and mine. What do you think? --Eamonnca1 (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done guys - good solution. Mooretwin (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Hockey

message: Can we have a bit of discussion on that rather than assorted disagreeing IPs and User:Fionnsci reverting each other without explanation? Mooretwin restored the new wording by Fionnsci on the grounds that it was much better prose. I reverted this back to the previous version as even a cursory examination of the new version of the list sentence will reveal that (1) the list actually includes both individual and team sports in order, not just team games. and (2) the position of soccer is already included within the list, leading to a double mention of the sport.
Looking back at the history the original issue, as far as I can see, appears to have been whether or not the fact about the most played team game should be repeated in a separate sentence as well as being included (somewhat less obviously) in the list. This seems a pretty trivial issue given that the information will be in the article either way, so I suggest that a bit of calm among the involved editors and discussion here wouldn't go amiss. Tameamseo (talk) 18:03, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Soccer is the most popular sport involving national teams" - This is the only sentence that annoys me....it doesn't even mean anything! Does it mean that soccer internationals are the most attended? Because that's not even true. I'm taking it out, it's confusing. As for the sentence previous to it...... A Soccer is the most played team sport in Ireland while swimming, golf, aerobics, soccer, cycling, Gaelic football and billiards/snooker are also popular B Swimming, golf, aerobics, soccer, cycling, Gaelic football and billiards/snooker are the sporting activities with the highest levels of playing participation. Neither are great, someone should just add a new one. You don't need to make such a big deal over this. Fionnsci (talk) 18:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, we'll agree on that as in fact my main problem wasn't so much the deletion but the other part of the edit, whcih changed the list sentence to a version that didn't actually fully make sense. The prose of the original version of that sentence could probably be improved but at least it makes sense. Any suggestion to improve it? Tameamseo (talk) 02:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Participation levels wording

message: Lads, put down the handbags, cut out the edit warring, and have the discussion here. Be WP:CIVIL. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 02:20, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:MFIreland]] and [[User:Onetonycousins]], stop the edit warring 

message: This article is about sport on the island of Ireland. At least that is what the second sentence says.
Yet the next sentence says "Gaelic football is the most popular sport in Ireland in terms of match attendance, and represents 34%". The paper that this statistic is extracted from is:  (no page number is given but presumably it is page 43). 
The trouble with that statistic is two fold. The first is that for something like rugby (or golf) the statistics are probably fairly accurate for participation in both North and South, but for a community polarised sport such as those under the auspices of the GAA, the figures will be distorted over whether the survey cover the Republic of Ireland rather than the island of Ireland. Skimming through the survey that is used it seems to be the Republic and not the island that is being usually being referred to as "Ireland" in the report and that distorts the figures.
The report itself mentions on page 42 "(though it should be recalled here that the present study did not extend to horse or dog racing, both of which are likely to have substantial levels of attendance)". That is going to have an effect on the percentages presented in the second paragraph as the numbers that view show jumping and eventing are minuscule compared to racing.
The second is why attendance and not participation mentioned first? As the participation levels do not so heavily favour "native" sports is there a political dimension to the ordering of these numbers in the second paragraph of the lead? Perhaps a sortable table with participation, spectator attendance, TV viewing (if available) would be more useful. (Note that TV viewing figures have to be an average over a number of years because an international event such as rugby and football world cups where, if Irish representatives do well,the viewing figures will be distorted in favour of the sport. This is particularly true of the minority sports in Olympics).
-- PBS (talk) 11:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some good points. I've edited the intro so as to clarify that the attendance claim and statistics relate only to ROI. Mooretwin (talk) 13:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lies, damned lies, and statistics 

message: :Despite a low public profile, Ireland has enjoyed considerable success in recent years in target shooting, with Irish shooters being ranked amongst the top shooters in the world in many disciplines, including Olympic clay pigeon shooting and IPSC shooting. The Irish Olympic clay pigeon team won the World Championships team event in Olympic Trap in 2002, and Irish shooter Philip Murphy claimed the silver medal in the World Championships in 2010. His teammate Derek Burnett has won the European championship title. The team has also won several World Cup medals in both team and individual events. The clay pigeon high performance director has also been appointed head of the ISSF coaches committee and the head clay target instructor with the ISSF Training Academy in recognition of these successes.
The above is completely correct and verifiable:
http://www.issf-sports.org/development/academy.ashx
http://www.icpsa.ie/coaching/coaching_news/1790-issf-coaching-committee.html
http://www.olympicsport.ie/sports/shooting/index.1.html
http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM2710197001
http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM1205195801
http://www.issf-sports.org/shooters/shooter.ashx?personissfid=SHIRLM1003196401
:Target shooting is notably absent from this coverage, with at least one newspaper having a de facto ban on its coverage.
And while I can't provide you with a recording of the call, I was personally told by the Sports Editor of the Irish Times, Malachy Logan, that the Times would not cover target shooting as a policy. (I was the public relations officer for the NTSA at the time). Cuchullain, what else do you need to see referenced before restoring the text to the page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkDennehy (talk • contribs) 00:36, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I explained on my talk page here, that material isn't all appropriate. All material should be cited to an independent, reliable source using an inline citation. The way you've done the external linking, it's hard to see which source is being used to cite your claims. And obviously, we can't use your personal phone call as a source.--Cúchullain t/c 12:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text: On the inline citations, I gave you the wrong link above, the correct one is WP:INCITE. On using the bald ISSF data, that can be a problem in that secondary sources are preferable to primary sources, which can be interpreted differently by different people. I don't doubt that your material is accurate, but there's also the issue of due weight. We don't know how important this information is without secondary sources. Additionally, some of your statements, such as "Despite a low public profile, Ireland has enjoyed considerable success in recent years in target shooting, with Irish shooters being ranked amongst the top shooters in the world in many disciplines, including Olympic clay pigeon shooting and IPSC shooting" are not backed up directly in any of the sources.--Cúchullain t/c 15:10, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text: The ISSF links are fine for raw data, but are not acceptable for judging the importance of the material to the subject. For that you need reliable, secondary sources. That's the way Wikipedia works. And your own interpretations and experiences can't be the sole basis of changes to articles; that violates the no original research policy.--Cúchullain t/c 21:06, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The real issue with your material is (1) the statements that you admit are not verified by sources need to go and (2) the level of detail. This is a very long section for a sport you admit has a "low public profile", and without secondary sources there's no way to tell how important it really is to the article subject. I will remove the unverified material (again) and leave it to others to determine how much of the other material really needs to be in the article.--Cúchullain t/c 15:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not difficult: to say that the sport has a "low public profile", you need a reliable source that says that. To say they've "enjoyed considerable success in recent years in target shooting", you need a source reliable source that says that. You can't just list off examples of championships they've won and use that do draw your own conclusions; that is synthesis of sources. All I removed was your phrasing about the "public profile", which was unsourced, and I rephrased your wording about "considerable success" to match what the source said more closely.--Cúchullain t/c 17:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

text: There's lots of other insufficiently cited material in the article, and that will need to be dealt with. But the fact that it hasn't been dealt with yet is not a reason to add more insufficiently cited material. At any rate, I think the target shooting section is fine now for the time being.Cúchullain t/c 18:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Target Shooting in Ireland 

message: The edit parallels the creation of an article about Comhairle Fo-Thuinn (CFT).  The section revised to reflect that the governance of underwater diving activities is by country rather than on an 'All of Ireland' basis.  While CFT has members and branches in the Northern Ireland, the BSAC (and until recently, the SSAC) has members and branches in the Republic.  The section has also been renamed ‘Underwater Sports’ to reflect the ‘Council of Europe’ approach to the administration of sport and recreation used in both the UK and the Republic, i.e. one body administers all aspects of one class of similar activities.  The following terms are  used to describe the general class of underwater activities within the UK & Ireland - ‘Sub Aqua’ is used by the British Government while ‘Underwater Sport’ is used by the Irish Government.  The latter (with the addition of a 's' to create a plural) has been used on the basis of its wider global use.  Comments about the above are welcome.Cowdy001 (talk) 23:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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message: Hello, in which sports does the island of Ireland play as a national team (All-Ireland)? I get confused by the fact that the Republic of Ireland is called "Ireland" in some sports and in other sports the Isle of Ireland is called "Ireland", so for one who is not familiar with this, it is not easy to understand.
I am already aware of field hockey, rugby union, cricket and basketball. Basketball creates even more confusion for me, because the flag of the Republic of Ireland is used but the players come from all over the island. So I guess there are more All-Ireland national teams that use the Republic of Ireland flag?
I have introduced in Swedish wikipeida, that if we use the national field hockey team template,  it will automatically be the right flag, just like in English wikipedia () and I intend to do so in more of our templates. So I need help knowing which sports have all-Ireland teams. DenSportgladeSkåningen (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In which sports does All-Ireland compete as a team?