Talk:Nintendo optical discs

message: According to [] and [], the GameCube / Wii disc is read in the same direction as a regular DVD (center to edge). Is this correct? --D235j (talk) 21:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed this seemingly-inaccurate fact and added two new external links. --D235j (talk) 02:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Read from center or from edge?

message: Can anybody confirm that the discs are really using CAV format? Some people found out (http://www.ingenieria-inversa.cl/?p=9) that only the scrambled frame is different.. --84.144.78.206 19:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect the disc is recorded CLV, so that the pits are the same size at the center as they are at the edge, but are read CAV. This means the data rate varies depending on the track. The advantage is that the motor never has to change speed, so seeks are faster. But I can't find a reference so I have not touched the article. Rees11 19:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: CAV?

message: That honor would go to the famicom disk system.
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*Then it is the first out of the box non cartridge format JayKeaton 20:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gamecube disc not first non cartridge format by nintendo 

message: From what the Wiili had gathered, Wii data disc is an extension of the GC disk. Should we rename it and include info of Wii diskc? George Leung 10:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to include Wii data disc? 

message: I moved the page to a name that doesn't use the ampersand. Ideally, the article's name should not have to use the word "and" at all - see Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use of "and". Does anyone have an idea about other names that could be used without the "and"? --Jtalledo (talk) 11:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe simply "Nintendo game discs" as these are the only discs Nintendo have ever used in their consoles. - MTC 13:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Nintendo optical media" would be preferred, as it would differentiate from disk-based systems Nintendo has used in the past (Famicom Disk System, N64DD). Just64helpin 14:37, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and moved it to "Nintendo Optical Discs", short, sweet, and to the point. -- Hero of legend 20:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be in lowercase letters, per WP:MOS. Just64helpin 21:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: What's the point of the section about the Burst Cutting Area?  All it does is describe the area on the disc, and says nothing about why it's there or what it's for.  --Brandon Dilbeck 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's there for copy protection, but no one has found a reference that says this, so we can't say it in the article. I think it's useful information though, because it's one of the ways in which this disc differs from a standard issue data DVD. Rees11 15:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BCA 

message: I think this article should be split into two articles (Nintendo GameCube Optical disks/Wii Optical disks) because they are different sizes and different capacities etc. --MacMad (talk · contribs)  11:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were specifically merged because the individual discs were not notable enough for separate articles. The only difference between them, as you pointed out, is the diameter. Also note: "disc" is the proper term, not "disk". Just64helpin 11:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but their capacites are different too. And disk can be used as well as disc. --MacMad (talk · contribs)  16:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The capacity is directly related to the diameter. The correct, trademarked names are "Nintendo GameCube Game Disc" and "Wii Optical Disc". Just64helpin 18:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine then! --MacMad (talk · contribs)  06:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I once got a Matsushita DVD drive to read a gamecube disc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.160.253 (talk) 23:34, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC Reader 

message: Why did Nintendo decide to go with smaller discs for the Gamecube?12.213.80.36 (talk) 23:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because The gamecube is small... isn't it obvious? have you ever tried to put a DVD in it? it just won't fit in....--SGP (talk) 03:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo GameCube Question 

message: Since the article is named Nintendo optical disc I think the other consoles' discs should be mentioned, (the NES, SNES and N64 all got a disc reader)--SGP (talk) 03:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The NES, SNES, and N64 all use ROM cartridges, not optical discs. Please see the optical disc article for more information. jhsounds (talk) 11:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: they all had a disc reader slot to connect the disc reader in their bottom or the back, it was a device to read the Nintendo optical discs....they were not very popular(the SNES one actually wasn't released, and in fact, is responsible for the creation of the PlayStation... the N64DD (disc drive) was a commercial failure, never released out of japan...)...however, they should be mentioned anyways...--SGP (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably restrict the info in the article to actual existing optical discs distributed by Nintendo. The N64DD used magnetic disks, not optical discs, so it wouldn't fit the criteria for inclusion.  jhsounds (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay... maybe just add links for further reading, I found out they actually have their own articles here in Wikipedia... (Family Computer Disk System, and Nintendo 64DD) although only the possible SNES discs were the only ones that used optical based technology... (the 64DD used a magnetic optical disk, which is not purely a magnetic disc, so it counts as optical) --SGP (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Nintendo consoles that use discs 

message: Soon, the Wii U will have it's own discs, which (I've heard) are based on BluRay technology, and will have 25 GB of memory, I think they should be added to this article. (not necessarily now, but when the Wii U comes out, or when we get more information about it)--SGP (talk) 04:04, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wii U disc is already mentioned in the Nintendo optical disc article. jhsounds (talk) 11:53, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry... its only that it's not big enough, so I didn't noticed it... --SGP (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii U optical discs 

message: It's mentioned in this article, and I quote, "This also limits the consoles from being used as general DVD or BluRay players."
I don't know about the Gamecube (which wasn't hacked much and has a drive too small for standard DVDs anyway) or the Wii U (which obviously isn't out yet for us to prod at the hardware), but the Wii has been proven to be capable of playing DVDs without hardware modification -- my very own Wii is capable of doing this, it's a procedure involving software-only hacks that is at least three years old.
Reference: http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/13/the-wii-finally-gets-dvd-playback-no-thanks-to-nintendo/
Shouldn't we, you know, fix that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.100.250 (talk) 23:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize this is responding to a comment several years old, but just wanted to point out that somewhere in there Nintendo did make the drive in the Wii completely incapable of doing that. Yes, earlier hacked systems can play DVD movies, but not all Wii's can.76.226.126.65 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:47, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lie of being unable to play DVDs 

message: The Measurements section currently contains only the following sentence:
:The Gamecube disc is 3.5mm and the Wii/Wii U is 12.5mm.
This sentence makes no sense. If it refers to diameter, the GC measurement is ridiculously small. If it refers to thickness, the Wii/Wii U measurement is ridiculously large. Correct diameters are already listed in the infobox. Therefore, I will remove the Measurements section. If anyone thinks it is valuable, go ahead and put it back, but please make it make sense. Ian01 (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The GameCube measurement is likely the thickness (3.5mm), and the Wii/Wii U one is the diameter (should be 12cm though). So the correct measurements in diameter should be 8cm and 12cm.--Arkhandar (Talk • Contribs) 12:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing nonsensical and unsourced Measurements section 

message: "The GameCube Game Disc is a 1.5 GB, 8 cm miniDVD based technology which reads at a constant angular velocity (CAV). It was chosen by Nintendo to prevent copyright infringement"
Is it the only thing which prevent raw access to the Nintendo discs on most PC disc readers? 2A02:8422:1191:6E00:48DE:3FBC:C637:4D0B (talk) 10:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: CAV is sometimes used in high speed DVD drives, but doesn't affect your ability to *read* the data in another drive.  Indeed you can rip Gamecube/Wii optical discs in a PC DVD drive, albeit one requiring the ability to dump the read-error buffer.  Gamecube discs are scrambled/obfuscated to make raw access harder, but not impossible.  Bcastell (talk) 14:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raw read protection... 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: has recently added a claim that discs are read from the outside in, noting in recent edit summaries:
I'm still pretty sure this is wrong, but there don't seem to be any strong sources either way.  Dolphin implements it with offset 0 being on the inside, which to my understanding was the result of several hardware tests.  Furthermore, I'd have expected the debugmo.de article and the friidump technical documentation to mention this, but they only mention different frame layouts and scrambling.  The debugmo.de article also mentions that the lead-in is the same, which is inconsistent with data starting on the outside.  It seems this was also discussed a year ago, with similar conclusions (and a link to a post from marcan of hackmii.com, who I'd consider a subject matter expert).
It should also be possible to empirically check read speeds near the start and the end. CleanRip shows them (I think with some amount of averaging, but it should still change over time), and I think I do remember seeing it reading more at the start than at the end, but it's been a while since I've dumped a normal game with it (I've mainly worked with Datel discs lately, which take several hours as opposed to 10-20 minutes).
As for the sound of the laser assembly, I think that that could be caused by it being parked on the outer edge of the disc, rather than in the center.  Then a move to the inside would take the longest amount of time.  But that's just speculation. --Pokechu22 (talk) 22:05, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You've done incredible work on acquisition of RSes for this article, so I know that you know better than to have engaged a WP:OR editor and then written any of this chat. I'm sorry to say it but this thread is a hair's breadth of being reverted because it is all WP:OR in the discussion not of the encyclopedic advancement of the article but of chat WP:NOTFORUM  indeed, forum chat about other chat forums. There was no reason to have written any of this. The only valid discussion would be "has anyone found a RS about these subjects?" which might be found in magazines about electronics and electrical engineering and optical media if anything. I have some free memberships through WP:LIBRARY which you should be interested in getting, but I'm a noob at that and I don't know where to search. Again, thanks for your outstanding work because I have hacked away all the dumb WP:FANCRUFT WP:OR for years on this article in hope that you would someday come along! — Smuckola(talk) 22:59, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The main reason why I wrote everything here was because I have been doing some of my own original research, and if that is wrong, then it's something I'd want to know, just to resolve the confusion.  (And incidentally, at least according to people in #dolphin-dev, the IP's observations are correct but for the wrong reasons: games are padded so that actual data is close to the outer edge, but the data stream still starts on the inner edge.  But there is unlikely to be any reliable source for that whatsoever.)  As it stands it certainly doesn't belong in the article though, but I disagree that bringing it up on the talk page is completely irrelevant: if the claim is wrong, then there's no point in trying to check for further more obscure (but still reliable) sources to back it up.  Perhaps I have gone overboard and violated some of the policies by explaining why I think (and thought) the claim was wrong, but, honestly, I don't really care. --Pokechu22 (talk) 23:40, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  "I disagree that bringing it up on the talk page is completely irrelevant" I didn't say that... "check for further more obscure (but still reliable) sources to back it up" Aha, that's a horse of a different color then! Let me know if there are exact keywords that I can search my magazine sources at WP:LIBRARY for, but I totally doubt my ability to wade through stuff so technical in this particular niche. Anyway, again, I tip my hat to you (which I coincidentally am wearing today) and everyone owes you a standing ovation for the outstanding reliable sourcing you've already added to this article that's been historically plagued by years of dumb guesses, original research, opinions, trivia, rants, and general jibbajabba. — Smuckola(talk) 04:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read order (again) 

message: I found a few sources that explicitly say that discs are Blu-ray, though I'm not sure how reliable they are. I also found two other sources that compare it to Blu-ray, one before release and one after.
One other thing is the term "iDensity" which is used on the French article (with a citation). Most search results for "iDensity" Wii U are in French, though there does appear to be one Kotaku article using the term (and the Gimme Gimme Games article mentions it too).  The most likely explanation is that it was a mishearing of "high density", since a second Kotaku article from the same day with more details doesn't use that term, nor do the engadget articles (which explicitly say "proprietary high-density optical discs") or this MCV/Develop article.
I don't think this article should mention the "iDensity" name, but probably some combination of these could be added into the article to expand on the Blu-ray claims. --Pokechu22 (talk) 04:02, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a book that says they're Blu-ray.  Annoyingly, the e-book version doesn't have page numbers, and the print version () isn't in any libraries near me.  But this is probably enough to write something later.   --Pokechu22 (talk) 06:46, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wii U discs and Blu-ray 

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