Talk:Valencian Community/Archive 1

message: I am not sure that is the Valencian flag. I thought the flag had the crest with the crown and the bats? 
By "Mistery Play" do you by chance mean mystery play, or is this something different? -- April
Is it historically the "Valencian Country"? I think it would be more accurate to say "Kingdom of Valencia" as an historical name. Has it been officially called "Valencian Country" at any point of the past?
I think not. Kingdom of Valencia is more correct. Valencian Country is a recent name, which was coined, I think, to parallel Basque Country and because Valencia is the only community which has to state its community status in the name.
User:Marco Neves
: It isn't a recent name. Under the 2d Spanish Republic, near 1936, there was a project of an autonomous community, and the official name would be Valencian Country. But, as we all already know, in this year started the Spanish Civil War, and this project never has been achieved. Before of this autonomous project, the name of Valencian Country is already used by a lot of valencian writers in catalan language, and the catalan-speaker people still say País Valencià or more simply València, but never Valencian Community, that's used by spanish-speakers --Martorell 19:16, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just like it is not uncommon to see the expression països catalans to refer to Catalan-speaking regions (the usage is similar to la Francophonie in French). — Miguel 07:18, 2004 May 23 (UTC)
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Although a Google search may show the current popularity of some denominations, it has nothing to do with actual historical accuracy. Therefore, I think that the sentence It is historically the Valencian Country should be changed in order to reflect the fact that "Valencian Country" is not an historical name, but a name that is currently in wide use.
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The Autonomous Community locator map does not include the exclave of Valencia between Aragon and Castilla-la Mancha. (See ). Maybe someone could update the map? — Miguel 07:18, 2004 May 23 (UTC)
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Hi people! I'm a valencian citizen, and living in Alacant (spanish Alicante). My english language skin is low, but I'm wondered to help anyone to add information about the Valencian Country and anything related to it. I'm also participating a lot in the catalan version of the wikipedia, and you can get info from there about the Valencian Country in catalan Bon vent! --Martorell 19:01, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

message: ::: Please, dont put POV notice again in the article because you aren't discussing about its content. I don't care about the other translations, because there are surely a literal translation from Spanish or Catalan. But you're mistaken because Land of Valencia isn't the same as "Kingdom of Valencia", because "Land of Valencia" is referring to valencian territory in any time. Perhaps naming it "Autonomous Community of Valencia" is correct as "Land of Valencia", because both are used for Valencian Government. But I think it's better to choice the most shortest name, as it's used for general visitors outside Spain. If you called it as "Autonomous Community of Valencia", it would be the same case naming "Spain" as "Kingdom of Spain", but anyone wouldn't agree surely with this form, because it would be redundant. But Valencia are three things: a city, a province, and a land, so it was called as "Land of Valencia". In German case, "Land" has the same meaning way that "Comunitat Autònoma". --Joanot Martorell ✉ 16:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyway, I don't see where the name "Autonomous Community of Valencia" is strong noticed in http://www.gva.es as "Land of Valencia" is showly in the English header of official tourism webpage http://www.comunitatvalenciana.com . Instead of it, it's more used "Valencian Community", but it's so ambiguous in English. One more thing, if you travel here ever, and you ask for tourist information, you would receive the flyers, books, guides, plannings, etc... whith the name "Land of Valencia" in the English version. --Joanot Martorell ✉ 18:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Joanot, your reasoning is flawed for the several reasons: (1) see my post below; (2) see my post further below -- there is no official translation of "Comunidad Valenciana";  relying on what English speaking governments or encyclopedias list is our best bet, seeing as the tourist page is inconsistent (3) if you do a google search on the generalitat's website, gva.es for different possible titles you get the following: 6 hits for Land of Valencia, 87 hits for Valencian Community, 31 hits for Valencian Region, and 22 hits for Region of Valencia (including Autonomous Region of Valencia) (4) It doesn't matter whether "community" in English means the same thing as it does in Spanish--in this context they are technical terms.  For example, in the U.S. you refer to the highest level of local government as a state, even though in any other context state refers to a national government.  Guess how they translate the state of California into Spanish?  La provincia de California?  No; they use el estado de California even though it doesn't mean the same thing. -- Malandi 02:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land of Valencia == Autonomous Community of Valencia