Talk:Saint Patrick's Battalion

message: :Yesterday, I added a note indicating that the last link on the external links list was a site that required paid membership before one could see the article in question.  Today, I see that said note had been removed.  Can anyone explain why?  Thanks.--Theoldanarchist 03:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After seeing that Infrogmation had removed my note refered to above, I went ahead and deleted the last link altogether.--Charles 04:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I meant to remove the link all together, as it can not be accessed without payment. -- Infrogmation 05:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that was probably your intention.  Frankly, I'd like to read the article in question, but I'm not paying to do so. --Charles 04:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: The whole tone of this article, from the opening paragraph, is sharply POV, arguably religiously. Attaching Lincoln to the its last sentence, for example, is grossly POV; Lincoln did not commit treason, however strong his feelings against the war. All the information given could be addressed in a neutral voice and still be valuable. Allegations that "protestant American officers encouraged desecration, condoned rape etc." needs to be documented by source citation, since as written it implies it was common and accepted practice, which it was not. Methinks the author is either very young or has an axe to grind.--Buckboard 06:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I'd still like to make this article better, but I'm pretty sure I've hit a dead end in terms of what I can personally do for it.
Ways to improve this article would be to:
*Go into more details about the Saint Patrick's Battalion flag, of which there was reportedly more than one.
*Have somebody who knows more about Mexican history & speaks Spanish to determine wether any more battle reports from General Anaya exist & wether they give more details about the battalion.
*Find more references & citatations.
Provided the latter two things are done I dont see any reason why this cant be a good article or even a featured one.
By the way why is this considered part of the law WikiProject?
Speaking of Wikiprojects, this should be apart of the Mexican one.
--Fennessy 19:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted your deletion of this entry, Fennessy, because I think it will be helpful for future editors to see what was previously discussed as far as article improvements are concerned. ---Cathal 15:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article improvements

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Irish st Patricks battalion stamp.jpg

message: what does the slogan mean?  Amendezg (talk) 19:40, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My Gaelic is not great, so this is not an exact translation, but it basically means "Long live Ireland". ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 20:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Erin Go Bragh" is an anglicisation of the Irish "Éirinn go brách". Which (as you note) might be translated as "Ireland forever". It is equivalent to "Éirinn go deo", and is not easily translated literally, but is roughly equivalent to "Ireland until eternity". (Compare "Ireland until the end (of time)", or "Ireland until judgement day", etc). Guliolopez (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done, lad!  That is some fantastic work.  Cheers! ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Éire go Brách! (Ireland forever!) is, however, the correct version. Éire = nominative case; Éirinn = Dative case. Erin is an anglicised form of the dative case rather than of the nominative case. 87.42.107.48 (talk) 11:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Erin Go Bragh!"  

message: Guliolopez, you are right to ask for a ref. but this was the actual reason given by most of them after their recapture by the Yanquis. A convenient excuse, probably, and definitely disliked by those who prefer the angle of natural-sympathy-with-the-equally-oppressed-Mexicans, but there it is. I have a very soft spot for the San Ps, learning much when I was in Mexico in the 1970s.Red Hurley (talk) 07:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I did read an American source at one point that read something like: "offering free whiskey, promising the favours of senioritas and offering 320 acres of land, Riley enticed more than 200 Irishmen and a few German immigrants to desert and join the army of their fellow Catholics." This reference is quite significantly different from the note you added however. Where whiskey is an additional enticement, rather than the chloroform agent suggested in the other wording. "Kryptonite of the Irish" even. Frankly it sounds a little like a propagandist excuse/reason (on either side) to "blame the whiskey". Playing upon stereotypes to either avoid the gallows ("sure I'm only a cheeky Paddy who got drunk and captured") or to push a propagandist view that the men had no legitimate reason for defecting ("the Paddies didn't defect because of political/social conscience - they just got drunk and captured"). Anyway, regardless of whether it was actually given as a valid reason, if the reason was given at all a validating source would be required. And it would need to be worded in such a way to make it clear that - even if it was given as an excuse (or claimed to have been given as an excuse) - there is nothing necessarily linking it with reality in terms of actual cause/effect. Guliolopez (talk) 09:35, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: San Patricios' excuse was too much whiskey in a hot climate

message: This is commonly, if not universally, known as the San Patricio Batallion in Ireland. 86.44.57.55 (talk) 18:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I notice that a previous addition of mine, which involved very complex translation of the official solemnity's text taken from Mexico's official gazette has been removed. I don't mind, but I would like to know why, specially since I see several of the comments above ask for further Mexican sources.
Daylightdemon (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Mexican Sources

message: Am I the only one who knows these as the San Patricios? St Patrick's Battalion sounds like it could be one of many potential groups in the English speaking world, but the "San Patricios" has a clear meaning linking to these people. Here's a couple of googles: "San Patricios" "Irish" (11,300 results, including loads of Irish and US results) v. "Saint Patrick's Battalion" "Irish" (7, 080 results, many of which lead to this page). 37.228.205.224 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 19:27, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name: San Patricios

message: What language did the unit use internally?
English?
Spanish?
Gaelic?
--Error (talk) 16:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language 

message: I was considering adding a section explaining the motivations soldiers had for defecting in the first place, as it isn't touched on much in the article. I also intend to add information to the section about the fates of the soldiers of Saint Patrick's Battalion. Both of these would be based on sources I will cite below. Beyond that, I just plan on making a few minor edits for clarity throughout. If you have any questions of issues with this, please reach out to me either here or on my talk page. Thanks! - JTatreau (talk) 21:21, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Edits 

message: — Assignment last updated by Jazi896 (talk) 03:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Irish Migration in Latin America