Talk:Modern Arnis/Archive 1

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message: Bob Hubbard 06:45, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: What is the difference between 'notables' and 'well known?'  Well, to be well known simply means that people recognize you or "Widely known; familiar or famous."  There is no connotation of quality, high standards, or contributions.  There is only the implication that a lot of people can point and say "That's that guy/gal."
To be notable means "Characterized by excellence or distinction; eminent." This term leaves the connotation of quality, superior performance, and contributions of an honorable character.
Britney Spears is 'well known.'  Jerry Springer and Howard Stern are "well known."  THey may be 'famous' but not within a connotation or context that I would want to be connected to.  So keep the well knowns and I'll gladly take the 'notables.'
Personal vendetta nothing.  Keep making Jeff Leader look like a fool for saying one thing and then looking like he is doing the exact opposite. "Birds of a feather" is another old saying...  As for you facia of productivitiy here....let's hope your better at being consistent here than you are when your trying your 'best' to two face between coffee and MT.  
I have had direct communication with you Bob, I wrote you, and you agreed that we act like grown ups between us.  Yet it still seems that I can't make an entry or deletion without it being spun into 'vandalizm' or getting arm chair analyzed on motives OR 'bested' in MT where I have been banned and have no power to offer a different perspective - what a way to control the perspective and make sure you get the last word.  
I don't think that your fears, as you mentioned to a mutual coffee buddy, are because of me so much as your tell tale heart.  That bit of advice, along with the advice and offers concerning your lack of mobility during your coffee clotchs were all meant to be helpful.  Like I tell my kids, I can't control your emotions or actions so don't blame me for your rationalizations.
I have never made any threats what so ever. I am comfortable in my position on issues and am wise enought to realize that resorting to threats or using my power to block counterpoints means that I have lost the debate and only weaken my character by avoiding healthy debate when I am reaching a point of discomfort.
I wouldn't attempt to drive any amount of hours to do such a thing, nor would I call anyone but the person I have issue with to talk it out.  Only people that have a vindictive nature/lack the moral courage to stand face to face on an issue would do such things.  "Birds of a feather" and such is another notable bit of wisdom.
If I had a problem with you, I would just tell you - as I have in the past.  If I say let's be adult between us, that is what I mean - which I did.
Entries on the article or links.  Yes let's keep those productive, but any sense of 'reality' isn't possible if you keep running over entries because you don't agree with them.  Anonymous individuals are frustrating to deal with, but you seem to understand the desire for secrecy when you said that there are time when you just can't say things as yourself on forums.  Look at the consequences to G22. You know who I am.  You have tracked my IP, I have given you enough details to let you know here, and you can make your 'best' efforts at making 'educated guesses.'
JJL 05:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: Bob Hubbard 02:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: Actually, Bob, I have a better idea.  Let the damned page die!  I NEVER put up a Wikipedia page and I don't want the current one.  Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
Please be advised that I am the real Jerome Barber, Ed.D., Professor of Sociology and Adjunct Professor of Physical Education at Erie Community College in Orchard Park, NY.  I am writing to clear up some past matters that have transpired on this discussion board and to establish my own position on a couple of related issues.
Previous to this date some person(s) have engaged in behaviors that have tarnished my name and character on Wikipedia, to the point an admin statement appears whenever anyon seeks to add anything to the page.  Just let that crap die and go away, I will provide the necessary information right here and right now.
I want to make my views known to everyone using this discussion board.  First and foremost I was unaware of this Wikipedia matter until I read a reference to it last weekend on mtc.  Regarding this business about the “well known” vs. the “notable” people in Modern Arnis, I clearly enjoy being in the latter grouping because the people listed are highly skilled instructors/teachers.  I have always taken the position that I am a teacher and as a teacher I am used to not being “well know” to the general public.  Why would martial arts be any different for me?
Secondly, I am not occupying the top administrative position in any organization using the phrase “Modern Arnis” in it’s title.  Therefore I am not a ‘leader’ in the art and when combined with the fact that my highest rank under Professor Presas and the IMAF before his death, was Lakan Tatlo – 3rd degree black belt,  who in their right mind would try to claim that they deserved to be viewed as top level person after Professor’s death from that ranking?  Certainly not me, because the issue is one of integrity, plus common sense.  It’s a long ways between 3 and 9 or 10!  Furthermore I have always been involved in a blended approach to martial arts.  
I was taught and still practice Tracy System Kenpo and Modern Arnis.  I am not now, nor have I ever been involved in an exclusively Modern Arnis approach.  I fully and proudly point that out whenever asked or it is appropriate to say it.  My approach to the martial arts is as a Kenpo-Arnis trained teacher.  Furthermore I freely and openly revel in the fact that I have trained in a number of other arts in order to broaden my perspective as well as give my students a much more comprehensive view of the martial arts world than any single-minded approach can ever achieve.
The integrated approach that I learned under sifu Zanghi, has stood up well under the test of time and real world applications.  I am proud of that approach and in honor of my first teacher, I continue to follow his lead.  My organization is known as the “Independent Escrima-Kenpo-Arnis Associates”.  It encompasses most of the primary instructional programs that I was involved in, it also keeps alive the spirit of exploration and integration within the martial arts.  If some people are unhappy with my approach or disagree with me, so be it, because I refuse to be bound by their limitations or lack of vision.
I want to sincerely thank the person(s) who placed my name in this arena.  I certainly belong in the notable classification because I am THE ONLY person in the USA teaching Modern Arnis at the college level for academic degree credit toward a degree.  Additionally, I am THE ONLY person teaching a college based, credit bearing courses that has been authorized and approved by the late GM, Remy Amador Presas, via his signature on the program curriculum.  Consider the following points.  My program at Erie Community College, Orchard Park, NY, has been running continuously, both Fall and Spring semesters, since 1987 to the present.  Professor signed off on the program in 1989.  These factors alone make me quite notable and unique.  If I recall the situation correctly, there are six (6) Datu and eight (8) MoTTs.  There is ONLY ONE (1) person teaching a college credit program in Modern Arnis in the USA… and that would be ME!    The course numbers at ECC are PE 200, PE 201, PE 220 and PE 221.
Normally I do not make a big deal out of doing my job, but given the tone and tenor of the discussion on this board, I believe that I need to step up and set the record straight; I am not bragging or putting others down, I am simply telling everyone what I have done and there isn’t anyone else in Modern Arnis in the USA who can match my accomplishment within a college context.
As for those people who want to question my skills in or knowledge of Modern Arnis, I have a very simple straight forward response, contact me escrima_kenpo@hotmail.com and let’s arrange to do a joint seminar.  That way we can demonstrate our respective skills, knowledge and understandings of Modern Arnis in a public venue.  I am offering to work with any doubter in an open, public and publicized event.  We will work side by side in a comparative manner demonstrating theories, drills, techniques, applications and innovations associated with Modern Arnis.  The seminar will be video-taped to ensure that we have an accurate and objective record of the proceedings.  Each of us will work with our own ukes.  That is to ensure that neither of us gets “sandbagged” by the other.
Below, I am posting my complete martial arts resume:   
  
Martial Arts Credentials:  C. Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
*Doctorate in Education - Social Foundations of Education - State University 
 of New York at Buffalo, 1985.
*Lakan Anim - 6th degree Black Belt - American Modern Arnis Associates,  
 Punong Guro Tom Bolden
*Rokydan - 6th degree Black Belt - Kenpo - International Schools of Self Defense,
 Shihan Ernest McPeek
*Lakan Tatlo - 3rd degree Black Belt - International Modern Arnis Federation,
 Grand Master Remy A. Presas
*Sandan - 3rd degree Black Belt - Tracy System of Kenpo,  Sensei Ernest McPeek
*Shodan/Lakan Isa - 1st degree Black Belt – Tracy Kenpo-Modern Arnis - 
 Fighting Back Institute, Sifu/Guro Donald J. Zanghi 
*Developed the Curriculum for and teach the 4 Course Sequence for academic credit
 at Erie Community College:
	PE 200 - Basic Self-defense: Tracy Kenpo & Modern Arnis
	PE 201 - Escrima-Arnis for Self-Defense
        PE 220 - Paradigm Escrima & Pancipanci Eskrima Self-defense
        PE 221 - Advnced Tracy Kenpo & Modern Arnis for Self-defense
  Written Approval received from:
  Grand Master Remy Amador Presas - 1989 - Modern Arnis (IMAF)
  Punong Guro Tom Bolden - 1992 – American Modern Arnis & Pancipanci Eskrima
  Grand Master Al Tracy - 1992 - Tracy System of Kenpo
*Served as IMAF "Technical Assistant-Modern Arnis & Secretary-General for
 International Affairs" - 1990 - 1994.  The IMAF was a Chartered Associate of 
 the Philippines National Olympic Committee and Arnis Philippines Incorperated.
*Inductee: World Martial Arts Hall of Fame - 1994
*Instructor of the Year - 1996, World Head of Family Sokeship Council,
 International Martial Arts Hall of Fame
*Senior Master of Kenpo and Eskrima - Kenpo Gathering of Eagles - 2001 - 
 GM Al Tracy, Master of Ceremonies and Event Organizer
*Inductee: World Head of Family Sokeship Council, “Tactical Eskrima” - 2004
               
*Martial Arts Publications:
 Dr. Jerome Barber. “The FMAs:  Self Defense for Women”  Filipino  
     Martial Arts Magazine. Vol. 1, Number 5 - Sept./Oct. 1998.
 Dr. Jerome Barber.  “Paggamit ng Sandata: Choice of Weapon - The Kubaton”
 Filipino Martial Arts Magazine.  Vol.4, Number 2 - 2002.
 C. Jerome Barber.  “Kenpo”  Martial Arts of the World: An Encyclopedia, Volume
 One, A-Q.  Thomas A. Green, Editor,  ABC-CLIO, Inc., 2001.
 Dr. Jerome Barber.  “My Turn: Meeting of Arnis Minds” Inside Kung Fu, July 2003,
 Vol. 31 Number 7.
 Dr. Jerome Barber.  Filipino Escrima/Arnis & Chinese Kenpo Systems: Connecting
 the Systems for Practical Empty Hand Self Defense. Independent Escrima/Arnis
 Associates, 1995.
 Dr. Jerome Barber.  The Escrima - Arnis Curriculum Guide: Level I
 Instruction.  Independent Escrima/Arnis Associates, 2002.
 Dr. Jerome Barber.  Filipino Arnis for Self Defense - A Video.
 Independent Escrima/Arnis Associates, 1993.
You will note that while I hold only a 3rd degree black belt in Modern Arnis (IMAF) under Professor Presas, I did not stop my martial arts training after separating from the IMAF in 1994.  Nor did I stop teaching Modern Arnis at ECC.
For those people who want to stomp their feet and argue against the Sokeship designation because the title is not consistent with the FMAs, I would suggest 
that jealousy is their real motivation.  Furthermore, I am neither the first nor the last person with FMA training to accept this award.  GM Ernesto Presas, GM Bobby Taboada, Gat Puno Abon Baet and GM Fred Lazio are also members of the Sokeship Council.  As for the issue of the inductee having to pay for the awards dinner, certificates and trophy, please explain to me how the costs of the event would otherwise be covered.  Then there is the matter of the “Senior Master” designation from the GOE2 event, which I did not have to put out any expense monies.  All of  the costs were covered by the event hosts.  Does that make the GOE designation more valid than the Sokeship?  
In conclusion, I would like to point out that I have a great deal credibility in Modern Arnis as well as Kenpo.  I have earned all of my awards/ranks.  Each and every award/rank was bestowed by people senior to me and NEVER by my students or organizational subordinates.  The people fighting to keep my name off this list of 
Modern Arnis notables have little or no knowledge about my martial arts skill level or accomplishments.  I believe in the concept of "Skill is Rank". Therefore, I have provided the above information in order to set the record straight and put an end to all of the bickering over my qualifications.  If such bickering continues then I can only conclude that there is a “political agenda” surrounding the names presented and the categories selected.  Honesty and objectivity are not at work and that should be duly noted by all.
Thank you for reading this submission and I hope that I will not need to post again on this topic. 
Respectfully submitted,
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
Dr. Barber (Jerome), this information would be helpful if it was entered in the "Jerome Barber" topic discussion that is waging to determine whether your name should be left or deleted on Wikipedia.  Do I have your permission to copy and paste this entry to that discussion?
Yes, you do have my permission. 
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
I'm sorry, I forgot to log in and I am adding this information to reinterate my
permission to copy and paste the above entry to the Modern Arnis discussion.
Jerome Barber, Ed.D.
Added both Tom Bolden and Doug Pierre pages.--Bob Hubbard 00:19, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
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