Talk:Islam and blasphemy

message: I added more Islamic Traditions and point of view of Hanafi Fiqh, but Mr. Edward321 revert it back to older version, which is obsolete. I asked him to provide the reasons for reverting it back, but no reasons mentioned.   مہوش علی (talk) 16:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting back to older version without giving any justification 

message: Completely filled with propaganda and islamophobic statements. "in contrast with Christianity..." WHAT THE FUCK? Seriously I'm keeping this deleted until someone (who isn't a racist little fuck) writes a better article on it. Hell, why don't I start to make it my own fucking mission to add to Criticism of Christianity huh? Seriously..I thought Wikipedia was better than this.--Velanthis (talk) 18:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled Comment(s) 

message: That translation probably calls for a fact/translation check. 74.78.162.229 (talk) 01:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed that ¶ completely (see edit log). Would fact check the Egyptian blasphemy report but presume one of the external links supports. 74.78.162.229 (talk) 12:19, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Badmouth? 

message: The entire Article has verses of the Holy quran without their interpretation from any renowned author or muslim jurist. As this is Original research from the creator of the article I am deleting the verses which are without interpretation. Please do not post original research on wikipedia.FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletions and tags 

message: Some of the things listed as "blasphemy" here are based on isolated incidents referenced in news articles. This only means the people in question considered it "blasphemy", not that it is blasphemy according to mainstream scholars from any of the mains schools of fiqh. 
Examples: 1. Naming a teddy bear "Muhammed". Yes, in one particularly famous incident in Sudan a woman was charged with blasphemy for this, but does this really mean that it's generally considered blasphemy by most lay Muslims or Muslim scholars? I'm pretty sure there's nothing in the Quran or hadith specifically referring to the naming of teddy bears. Even if naming toys or other inanimate objects Muhammed is generally considered blasphemy, then that's what it should say, not specifically "teddy bears", which is downright silly as I doubt it's an issue that comes up frequently. 2. Desecration of Quran by a Christian touching it. While this is extensively footnoted, two of the four references come from the same source-- a right-wing Christian website, not the most unbiased source one could find, one was an Op-Ed-- and all four footnotes refer to the very same incident in Nigeria. Which only demonstrates that some of the Nigerian Muslims in that particular place at that particular time considered it blasphemous, and I'd hardly consider one incident of an unruly mob beating someone to death over circumstances that remain somewhat unclear to be scholarly evidence of this claim. Sounds more like a bunch of radical Muslim thugs looking for an excuse to beat up a Christian than any sort of proof that such activity is commonly considered to be blasphemy in Islam.
I know some currently atheist ex-Muslims who are critical of Islam, but fair and knowledgeable on the topic. I'll ask them to take a look at it and maybe provide an NPOV and well-sourced/well-informed re-write instead of a pro or anti-Islam propaganda piece with dubious information and sources.--SmashTheGlass (talk) 16:00, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S.-- (1) I already edited the first sentence using the language from the general blasphemy article. Originally blasphemy in Islam was defined as irreverent behavior that "offends a Muslim". What the fuck is that supposed to mean? That if ANY Muslim ANYWHERE on the planet is offended by their personal interpretation of "irreverent behavior" that makes it "blasphemy in Islam"? Ridiculous. (2) Why is there only an article about blasphemy in Islam and not in Christianity (which may not be so big a deal now, but if you look at the first 1500 years or so of Christianity, it is kinda a big deal)? (3) Again, I really think this needs a total rewrite that incorporates some of the topics found elsewhere on Wikipedia regarding Islamic jurisprudence-- making subsections on what is considered blasphemy by the different schools of fiqh would be particularly helpful.--SmashTheGlass (talk) 16:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious issues with this entry, complete rewrite needed 

message: I have made several deletions in this article regarding points that have not used appropriate citations from religious texts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhoenixSF90 (talk • contribs) 19:21, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletions  

message: Please do not vandalize this article.
This article complies with Wikipedia's policies regarding a neutral point of view WP:NPOV, no original research WP:NOR, and verifiability WP:V. The article reports on information and incidents collected from a wide variety of sources from all over the world, and presents those sources in great number. The article does not preach. It is not anti-Islam or pro-Islam. It does not elevate any group of believers above any other. The article does not make judgments about whether an event alleged to be blasphemous would be considered blasphemous by any particular group or by any particular proportion of all Muslims. The article does not take sides in theological or sectarian disputes. The article takes no stand on who is right and who is wrong. It takes no stand on what should or should not be blasphemous. The article tries to be nothing more than a collection of reports and quotations.
If you do not like the references provided, do not delete them. Add better references or add references which challenge the assertion which a report makes. Do not expect the editors at Wikipedia to investigate the reference or to know the motives of the persons involved as participants in an event or as reporters of an event. . 
If you disagree with what the article says, then provide references in English that agree with you. Editors will make corrections if there are mistakes. On the talk page, mention dead links so that they may be replaced.
Not all the believers in Islam have identical beliefs or practices. According to the article Fiqh, there are four prominent schools of fiqh (Madh'hab) for the Sunni and two schools for the Shia. There are other sects that have beliefs and practices that differ from the Sunni and the Shia. This article is not the place to settle sectarian disputes or to present the views of theologians on what beliefs or practices are best. This article is about incidents alleged to be blasphemy as they are recorded in newspapers and other reports.
If you do not like the article,  (See Wikipedia:User pages or Wikipedia:Subpages.). . If readers think it deserves to replace the current article, then your version will replace the current article.
Note that the article has received far fewer than one million complaints (See above.). Muslim editors and non-Muslim editors, including ex-Muslims, have tolerated and defended the article.  Those editors will undo your efforts if you spoil the article. Please be constructive in your remarks and in your editing. PYRRHON  talk   01:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  On vandalism 

message: Dear Pyrrhon8, 
Thank you for your reply. 
In order to avoid any misunderstandings, I have added that this article contains instances of events which were considered blasphemous by various sections of Muslim society. I do feel though that in order to better serve an article essentially on religion, there should be a seperate section stipulating the general consensus among Muslims on what counts as blasphemy. This is of course, my personal opinion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PhoenixSF90 (talk • contribs) 14:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE: On vandalism 

message: This looks like something that should be incorporated, once I've got some time: . AzureFury  (talk | contribs) 21:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: AzureFury, I agree that the source cited by you has content that would enhance this article, but you lack the expertise to make the article better.  I will undertake to incorporate that source and perhaps others into the article. Editors, if you know of other sources that comment on the interplay of sacrilege, blasphemy, heresy, and apostasy in Islam, please provide a citation. While I was investigating the source mentioned by AzureFury, I noticed that Abdulla Saeed and Hassan Saeed need some improvement. I will leave that improvement to someone else. PYRRHON  talk   04:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have incorporated into the article the source identified by AzureFury. PYRRHON  talk   20:34, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good source 

message: Crucifixion is not an Islamic punishment please delete from the first line  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.54.25.201 (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please Delete 

message: The hadith which is mentioned here of the woman throwing garbage is considered weak.However there are genuine and sourced traditions which say that the wife of Abu Lahab threw rotting intestines on the Holy Prophet SAW while he was praying. Also there are traditions that say she used to throw rotting garbage at his doorstep. I propose that we replace this tradition with more reliable tradition. Please give your opinion on this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeatlastChitchat (talk • contribs) 08:20, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Replacement

message: # 94.35% of the article is about blasphemy laws
# The rest of the article actually OPPOSES the idea that there is blasphemy punishment in Islam, thereby negating the Title.
# The article does not include any sources except one and that source too OPPOSES THE notion that there is punishment for blasphemy in Islam.
Please give your valuable input.
*Oppose This article specifically about blasphemy in the particular religion (Islam), while Blasphemy law is about the laws of the states, which may or may not have official state religion.Staszek Lem (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger with [[Blasphemy law]] 

message: I would like the quote for the statement, 
I looked at one of the sources cited "The Case of Hamza Kashgari: Examining Apostasy, Heresy, And Blasphemy Under Sharia" and did not find this there. It also seems to contradict Imam Abu Hanifa's opinion that a non-Muslim is not to be killed for blasphemy. Please provide the quote for this.VR talk 11:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote needed 

message: This example in the article is based on a single source, which is a typical Associated Press stub article consisting of just four paragraphs. It mention the subject's name once and asserts that he is a "sect leader", but clearly not one notable enough to be named in an article. We know no specifics of the alleged blasphemy nor details of the case, and "Abdul Kahar Ahmad" is not an SEO friendly name. Does not seem particularly notable. Iskandar323 (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and per WP:NOTNEWS we shouldn't give focus to anything that happens in the news.VR talk 00:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy#Imprisonment_of_Abdul_Kahar_Ahmad Questioning "Imprisonment of Abdul Kahar Ahmad" blasphemy example]

message: * Heini Í Skorini & Torben Bech Dyrberg (2022) Framing Blasphemy as a crime: the curious similarities between the secular left and the organization of Islamic cooperation, Journal of Political Ideologies, DOI: 10.1080/13569317.2022.2040878
* Abedinifard, Mostafa. "1: Ridicule in the Qur’an: The Missing Link in Islamic Humour Studies". Muslims and Humour. Bristol, UK: Bristol University Press, 2022.   https://doi.org/10.51952/9781529214697.ch001 .
 Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 15:50, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: * https://jakartaglobe.id/lifestyle/comedian-faces-blasphemy-trial-after-performance-at-anies-campaign-rally
 Bookku    (talk) 07:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs