Talk:Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

message: The words 'Lucy in the Sky' can be heard in the Pink Floyd song 'Let There Be More Light' and there are a few other references I can't think of at the moment.  This should be mentioned  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.7.183 (talk) 15:44, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References in Other Songs

message: Lucy in the Sky "...is notable for being the first rock song to contain two different metres or beats."  This is blatantly false.  "She Said She Said," an earlier Beatles song, switches meters as well.  And there's got to be other examples.  I'm deleting it. 
She Said She Said has one beat and changes up only at the conclusion, not during any other parts of teh song. and from the Wikipedia page states it only uses three notes. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds was noted at the time as being the first rock song to have two different tempos written intentionally into the song (as opposed to a medley of songs each with a different beat)baronvon
look at "We Can Work It Out" by the Beatles. In there, you definitely have 2 different metres (look at the bridge...). so, i also consider this sentence as being false. 87.122.158.132 10:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhythm

message: Paul admitted the true nature of Lucy in the Sky...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5121163
* I never heard that Lennon denied the song had drug imagery, only that the title was not related to the drug LSD at all.  Nothing McCartney says denies that.
Could you sign your posts, please?
*Lennon denied the song had anything to do with drugs. Anyone familiar with the Beatles knew it was a fib but he plainly decided his life would be easier if he flatly avoided confrontation about it. McCartney waited almost forty years to finally say it was "obvious". The coincidence of Julian's drawing and its title is a bit startling but any alert artist's life is replete with exploitable coincidences ripe for the picking and in 1967 a song with that acronym and those lyrics could only be about one thing. Besides, to wildly speculate only to show how much we don't know, Julian could have "subliminally picked up" on the acronym and the psychedelics swirling around him, and Lennon could have rationalized the creative craftwork he put into the finished song, along with the innocent source of the inspiration to write it, enough to think something along the lines of, "it's about surreal imagry or whatever and the initials'll be a giggle but it's really about seeing things differently, surreality and melodies and wordplay, not fookin' drugs..." Wyss 13:27, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Full 1980 Playboy interview. AvB ÷ talk 21:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for changes.... 

message: The link about Lucy Richardson's article is broken. Did someone type it wrong? I will delete it. - Gabriel Quinteiro (I'm not registered) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.169.142.23 (talk) 09:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: According to the History Channel's special "Ape to Man," the song was playing on a tape rather than the radio.  I would also doubt that a radio situated in the remote areas of Ethiopia could pick up a station that would play Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds :)
I'll make the change if nobody objects 
::I've unspecified it (removed any mention of a radio being involved). Wyss 04:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good- sorry, I was the one who brought up the radio/tape thing but I forgot to sign my name. --StJarvitude 07:28, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australopithecus afarensis 

message: Under the paragraph 'Who is Lucy?' - it gave Lucy's surname as O'Donnell. And later referred to her family as the Richardsons and her as Richardson. I'm not sure what's going on there. Can someone please check?
:—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.194.13.101 (talk • contribs) . 00:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently there are two of them, both of them at one time or another credited with being "the" Lucy. The article is definitely wrong here since it sort of mixes up both versions. References from reputable sources are hard to find on the Internet. What I did find: The story about the drawing is Ok as reported by, among others, Steven Turner in "A Hard Day's Write" (Lucy O'Donnell). The antiques etc. shop is attributed to both girls but apparently belongs in the Lucinda Richardson story, which started as a claim in the Daily Express newspaper somewhen in 1986 and was confirmed by Lucinda's sister in 2005? Lucy O'Donnell is about Julian's age, Lucinda was some 5 years older. Links: (In Dutch), Google Lucinda Harrison, Google Lucy O'Donnell. FWIW. AvB ÷ talk 21:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tagged the section as contradictory. AvB ÷ talk 22:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps Lucy O'Donnell married and took the name Richardson?  I don't know for certain, but I'm just throwing that out there.  HubHikari 13:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't "the" Lucy (Lucy Richardson) die? http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/lennons%20lucy%20in%20the%20sky%20dies On that article it says that she died and her family sprinkled crystals on her grave. What's the deal? --75.73.38.108 03:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucy Richardson (<nowiki>{{contradict-section}}</nowiki> tag)

message: I understand the normal requirements that all information posted in Wikipedia have an associated listed source from a publication or similar. What I do not understand is why that requirement applies to speculation.
Don't the rules state that contributions based on personal observations - a plane crash for example - are legit? Why, in that case, is a personally observed speculation deleted out of hand?
Possible references to LSD, the title of Julian's drawing, or who Lucy is or was  are all speculation. So what makes published speculation any more worthwhile or reliable than anything a Wikipedia contributor adds?
I myself found the recently deleted info on LSD induced visual disturbances relevant and of interest. It was clear from the text that this was just another potential link between drug references in the song. It is a shame it was removed.
Similarly the info I added a while back which was also deleted mentioned the children's song "Twinkle twinkle little star" contains the line "like a diamond in the sky". I think this is relevant because if the song is named after Julian's drawing, one does wonder how young Julian came up with such startling imagery for a title.
IMHO - both of these observations are worthwhile and should not be deleted out of hand just because other publications have never bothered to make the connection. 
Milbs 23:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your observations are not reliable, their WP:NOR. (I am not picking on you; mine aren't either.) If reliable, verifiable sources make speculative claims, then we can add it as claims made by reliable sources, and cite them. If you can't cite it as other than personal knowledge, it's not supposed to be here. John Cardinal 06:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced speculation about song title 

message: In all other articles concerning a particular song there is the position listed the song reached in the charts in the U.S. and the U.K.. Why not here? (I'm talking about the Beatles version, not the one by Elton John.)
It was never released as a single in the UK - I don't know about the US Richerman 20:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What position in the charts did "L i t S w D" reach? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Lucyinthesky.JPG

message: In wikipedia we normally refer to people by their surname. Hence Mr. John is referred to as Elton John or as John. In an article where John Lennon is also referred to, some of the sentences are confusing. Such as John appeared on Lennon's song. As Sir Elton John is universally referred to as Elton, much like Mr. Presley is is referred to as Elvis, would it be better to change John references to Elton or Sir Elton? --Brian R Hunter (talk) 10:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elton or John 

message: An IP editor has changed the authorship twice recently and I have reverted it. Before, during, and since the discussion above, the article has been stable with regards to authorship and I think any change ought to be discussed here. — John Cardinal (talk) 13:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2010

message: I think the fossil lucy is not relevant enough for its own section with only one sentence. In my opinion, it should be moved to a seperate section titled trivia along with other triva. 
If you think that's not a good idea because it would still be in a section by itself, here's a trivia tidbit that can and IMO should go with it: The prog rock band Dream Theater references Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds in their 24 minute long song,Octavarium in the section Full Circle where the word Diamond is shared with Diamond Dave.--Tangerine! (talk) 06:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it from it's own section to a "Reviews and legacy" section. — John Cardinal (talk) 14:51, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fossil lucy in a trivia section? 

message: This looks to be the personnel lineup for Strawberry Fields Forever (i.e., Part I and Part II, Paul playing Mellotron-he played organ in LITSWD, there's no orchestra in Lucy, etc., these are all SFF notes), does someone with the proper information (which I don't have) care to correct this? 70.91.35.27 (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. Fair's fair... I entered it incorrectly in the first place. Not sure how that happened. — John Cardinal (talk) 00:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Recording the Beatles says that George played the lead guitar (through a Leslie). It also says that George played the acoustic guitar, which contradicts what someone anonymous reported above from Lewisohn. If no one protests I will change the article to match up with Recording the Beatles. —Jeferman (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personnel 

message: Just made a minor edit to that, as, upon my first read, it seemed to suggest that it was John Lennon who performed it live in 1988, which would be a neat trick, as he died 8 years previously.  Hopefully, my edit clarifies that it's Elton John the article's talking about. 92.8.121.230 (talk) 17:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying 'Elton John version' 

message: It says "The imagery was Alice in the boat." in the quote attributed to Sheff's book. It would be good if 'Alice in the boat' was clarified. What Alice? What boat? Ok, books.google.com was helpful; search within the book for "Alice". Pages 142,185, 181, and 182 come up, with interesting tidbits in the first two (the Walrus in "I am the walrus" refers to the Walrus and the Carpenter poem in Alice and Wonderland, he says) and in the latter two, yes, Alice in Wonderland the fuller quote:
"The images were from Alice in Wonderland. It was Alice in the boat. She is buying an egg and it turns into Humpty-Dumpty" (p. 181) and
""The imagery was Alice in the boat. And also this image of this female who would come and save me - this secret love that was going to come one day" (page 182)
This longer quote from Sheff might be worth including in the wikipedia entry, the "female who would come and save me..one day" connection to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. that readers may find interesting. Harel (talk) 19:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifying 'Alice' 

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thread_title: File:Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: Is that really necessary? Do we really think Glee fans might be confused?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.87.20.52 (talk) 04:17, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I consolidated the hatnotes - does it look better now?  GoingBatty (talk) 23:57, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not to be confused w/ Tina 

message: Hi, I wanted you to notice the fact that on the Spanish Wikipedia we've reached a consensus that we can create separate articles for cover versions if they meet the general policies. I think that's so useful, and even more in such famous songs like this one, wich have been covered many times, some of wich are notable enough so a separate article can be written. We avoid having multiple infoboxes, wich are there, in fact, for very different things: the "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" cover by the Flaming Lips and Miley Cyrus have a lot of differences in many senses from the Beatles songs (year, or decade, genre, performers, composers of some elements, critical reception, commercial reception, singles chronology, Wikipedia categories, etc.). Not to mention that many readers can find themselves confused by an article of the Beatles that eventually can end up talking extensively about Miley Cyrus. So, in Spanish we have the original Beatles song and the cover version. I think that it should be considered for the English edition :) --Jorge (talk) 03:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate articles for covers 

message: I have added citations and clarification to the issue about Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds and its lyrical connection to LSD. John Lennon and Paul McCartney have both repeatedly gone on record denying the connection--while simultaneously stating other of their compositions were directly inspired by LSD (notably "I Am The Walrus" and "She Said She Said"). I have also left in a reference to the single interview for Uncut magazine where McCartney makes the connection between "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" where he also tempers this answer by adding, "[I]t's easy to overestimate the influence of drugs on the Beatles' music."
I have further emphasized the song's Alice In Wonderland inspiration with cited sources and quotes by the song's authors Lennon and McCartney, both of whom have never wavered in saying that the writings of Lewis Carroll were the true inspiration behind the song, and not LSD.Mayor of awesometown (talk) 23:13, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds' LSD connection and Alice In Wonderland inspiration 

message: I removed from this section a quote from an author named Michael Hicks, because it is erroroneous. The quote read:
Upon the album's [Sgt. Pepper's...] release, Paul McCartney indirectly promoted psychedelic music by admitting that he had taken LSD and that it had illuminated his music-making."
In the interviews Hicks is referring to, McCartney never claimed that LSD had "illuminated his music-making". McCartney gave two interviews in June 1967 in regards to LSD. The first appeared in the 16 June 1967 edition of Life magazine in an article written by Thomas Thompson. The relevant section of that magazine article, with quotes from McCartney, reads in full:
Paul, 24, the unmarried Beatle, is also the only one who lives in London – the others having become suburban squires. He is swept up in London’s so-called swinging world, goes to dinner parties and discotheques, and talks about art and football. He is very much aware of the world’s troubles and has his own ideas of what it would take to straighten everything out. For example, he professes agony over the war in Vietnam, and is deeply committed to the possibilities of LSD as a universal cure-all.
"After I took it, it opened my eyes," he says. "We only use one tenth of the brain. Just think what all we could accomplish if we could only tap that hidden part! It would mean a whole new world. If the politicians would take LSD, there wouldn’t be any more war, or poverty, or famine."
On 19 June 1967, McCartney gave a second interview on the subject for the ITV Evening News. The transcript of the full interview reads as follows:
Q: "Paul, how often have you taken LSD?"PAUL: (pause) "About four times."Q: "And where did you get it from?"PAUL: "Well, you know, if I was to say where I got it from, you know, I mean... it's illegal and everything... it's silly to say that, you know. So I'd rather not say that."Q: "Don't you believe that this is a matter which you should have kept private?"PAUL: "Mmm, but the thing is -- I was asked a question by a newspaper, and the decision was whether to tell a lie or tell him the truth. I decided to tell him the truth... but I really didn't want to say anything, you know, because if I had my way I wouldn't have told anyone. I'm not trying to spread the word about this. But the man from the newspaper is the man from the mass medium. I'll keep it a personal thing if he does too you know... if he keeps it quiet. But he wanted to spread it so it's his responsibility, you know, for spreading it not mine."Q: "But you're a public figure and you said it in the first place and you must have known it would make the newspaper."PAUL: "Yeah, but to say it is only to tell the truth. I'm telling the truth, you know. I don't know what everyone's so angry about."Q: "Do you think that you have now encouraged your fans to take drugs?"PAUL: "I don't think it'll make any difference. I don't think my fans are going to take drugs just because I did, you know. But the thing is -- that's not the point anyway. I was asked whether I had or not. And from then on, the whole bit about how far it's gonna go and how many people it's going to encourage is up to the newspapers, and up to you on television. I mean, you're spreading this now, at this moment. This is going into all the homes in Britain. And I'd rather it didn't. But you're asking me the question -- You want me to be honest -- I'll be honest."Q: "But as a public figure, surely you've got the responsibility to..."PAUL: "No, it's you who've got the responsibility. You've got the responsibility not to spread this, now. You know, I'm quite prepared to keep it as a very personal thing if you will too. If you'll shut up about it, I will."
Neither interview says anything about McCartney's thoughts on LSD's effect on his songwriting. The Hicks claim is contradicted by both of McCartney's interviews regarding LSD from the summer of 1967, so I have removed it until further information comes to light confirming its veracity. I did retain the Hicks quote's claim that McCartney had admitted to taking LSD in interviews around the time of the release of Sgt. Pepper, but I instead used as sources the actual magazine article and television interview on which Hicks's claim is based.
This section also had a second quote from Hicks's book, which I moved toward the end of the section where it fit better. It's another unsubstantiated claim, and I am leaving it in for now, but it perhaps should be taken out until it, too, is substantiated, given the circumstances of his other claim.
I also removed from this section a quote by author James E. Perone:
"McCartney went on record as saying the drug references [in the song] were pretty obvious." 
Perone is pulling from an interview McCartney gave to Uncut magazine in July 2004, which was already quoted from in the very next sentence of this section. I therefore pulled the "pretty obvious" part of the quote and put it in that sentence, citing the original Uncut article, instead of Perone's secondary citation of it. Mayor of awesometown (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  LSD Rumours section 

message: Re the Elton John version, I thought it might be worth mentioning in the article that the label of the single of the recording bears the credit "featuring the reggae guitars of Dr. Winston O'Boogie" (John Lennon, of course). See the label for verification. 2601:545:8202:4EA5:CD25:4456:986F:7AB5 (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reggae credit on Elton John version 

message: An IP editor has replaced the link to the YouTube video of the Flaming Lips' version with another link which results in the message "This video is unavailable". However for some reason I can't undo the change (message "the editor will now load" appears, but then it doesn't load - I've tried a few times), so would be grateful if someone else could do it - thanks. Mark and inwardly digest (talk) 14:01, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: - and the editing issue is being discussed at WP:VPT and phab:T334797. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flaming Lips