Talk:Spyder

message: "Contrary to popular belief, the first car to be officially called a "spyder" was not the Porsche 550 Spyder"
What are the origins, are there any references?85.101.71.213 17:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Popular Belief

message: "Spyder in name only
In more recent times, the term has been erroneously used by many automakers as a synonym for convertible. The following cars' names include Spyder or Spider but do not meet the basic Spyder criteria as illustrated above"
What criteria does this refer to? Black cloth top and open sides?  mid engine?  
If the Fiat 124 Spider qualifies, then so does the alfa-romeo spider.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.251.169.69 (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spyder Criteria

message: the article doesn't tell me what a spider is at all -89.57.43.28 (talk) 14:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is just an European term for a two-seater convertible or targa (equivalent to "roadster" in American English) implying a more rugged ride and less space than in a sedan. Someone better scrap all the baloney about the nose slant and rewrite this article (considering the Lamborghini Galliardo's nose is more downward than any other car listed and the overall appearance of its body is closer to a wedge than for example the much renowned Alfa Romeo). Talkin about Lamborghini, their Murcielago convertible is labeled a roadster.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.180.112.142 (talk) 10:13, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  now, what is a spyder? 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles#Merging roadster et al for a centralised discussion around merging all the roadster-related articles. Zunaid©® 19:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging roadster et al 

message: Hey , I wanted to discuss the changes to the Spyder description. If the priority is to minimize the length while including only the most pertinent details, the issue with the present description is that Spyder (as stated in its original full name, the Scientific Python Development Environment, as well as in its readme and documentation), is as much a scientific package as it is an IDE; it is one of its core defining features alongside being an IDE, for Python, and open-source, and also disambiguate its specific domain of use distinct from the other entries on the page more clearly and directly than any other descriptor (since IDE is not a commonly-understood acronym outside of software development, to the point where even some non-computer-scientists are unfamiliar with the unexpanded term). For brevity and clarity, the descriptor word in question should probably be "scientific" rather than "data science" as it is more readily understandable and saves words and characters.
Therefore, it seems then the natural course of action would be to reduce the length/detail of something else less critical in the description to compensate. "Python programming-language" (not sure why it includes the spurious hyphen) could be simplified to "Python language", since anyone familiar with the niche term IDE (which itself has dozens of possible meanings in different domains) or searching for Spyder is essentially certain to know that Python refers to a programming language, given it is one of the top 3-5 most popular languages and perhaps the single most dominant in scientific use, the specific domain for which Spyder was designed. Following from that, I suggest "an open-source scientific IDE for the Python language", with wikilinks to "IDE" and "Python language" to provide further clarification on those terms, for a result substantially more descriptive to anyone looking for the term while being one character shorter. Alternatively to simplifying "Python programming language", "scientific" could substitute for "open-source", since this is also two characters (and one word) shorter, and is much more important to disambiguating the domain of use and nature of the term from its other uses and is more widely understood, thus resulting in "a scientific IDE for the Python programming language," also with suggested wikilinks on IDE and (I would think) Python as well.
Your thoughts on which we should go with, if either? If you have persuasive reasons to not favor either over the current, we could consider a more substantial change, to something like "a scientific Python development environment" or something like that. Thanks! WIDEnet (What I've been up to, Let's Chat) 17:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, you've given this more thought that I care to, so implement your favorite. —swpbT go beyond 12:42, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spyder description wording