Talk:Quincy (Bleach)

message: I've seen fansubs and scanlations that translate Quincy as both Destroyer and Exorcist.  Exorcist would certainly go along with the crosses, etc.  I'm not sure how to include this though, as I can't really verify it since I don't know Japanese.  Any thoughts? --Anaraug 11:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that would be the meaning behind the kanji, but I'm fairly certain its pronunciation is in fact the English word Quincy (derived from Latin "quintus", meaning five), much like how Arrancars' zanpakuto have kanji, but are pronounced with Spanish names.  The "quintus" might be associated with the rare five-pointed symbol we occasionally see... maybe not, though. --AngelusInsomnus 15:23, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, that makes sense.  I think that that symbol is what the article was referring to as a "pentacle", which it appears similar to.  (I've only read the manga recently, I'm not sure about inclusion in the anime.)  I'm under the assumption that the Quincy are somehow derived from religious figures in some way, but that's just a guess, I hope more Quincy material comes up in the rest of the series. --Anaraug 16:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Litterally, the three kanji used for "kuinshi" mean "destroy/ruin", "instead/rather", and "teacher/master".  Or rather, the first two kanji together mean "destruction" and the third indicates a person doing it, albiet an apparently respected or revered person.  However, when I searched the dictionary for the first two kanji, the reading given with the definition was "mekkyaku". In fact 'ku' is not even listed in the list of readings for the first kanji, nor was 'in' a reading given for the second, so I think it safe to say that "kuinshi" is supposed to be the English word, and the kanji associated with it are just defining what the word/name's supposed to mean for Japanese readers, which is something I've seen done many times before in manga.  --ACDragonMaster 09:36, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I didn't think so earlier, I now believe that kuinshi was indeed supposed to be an English word. You can tell by the katakana used for the furigana in the manga (hiragana is used in Japanese words). Don't think we need to change anything to reflect this though. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 17:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: Do we actually know that the scar produced when restoring a Quincy's power will always be pentacle shaped? It seems likely that the shape reflects the Quincy Cross of the one performing the power restoration. 71.203.209.0 05:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Power restoration

message: Mekkyaku jūji (滅却十字,) is probably the native Japanese pronunciation. In Episode 111, however, Uryū is clearly heard saying "kuinshi kurosu." This makes sense because 滅却師 is pronounced kuinshī instead of mekkyakushi.
Unless the Japanese Chapter 186 had mekkyaku jūji as the hiragana for 滅却十字, I believe it should be kuinshi kurosu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Erik-the-red (talk • contribs) 01:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're most likely right. I can't make the first part out clearly, but ch.186 pg.8 has the katakana "___ kurosu". --Pentasyllabic 01:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quincy Cross 

message: The latest chapter where ishida crates a pentacle  with the seele schneider 's  and creates a massive explosion what is this classified as? I saw this as a gintō technique but it does not use silver tubes.Evxyza92 19:50, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He uses a gintō to trigger the explosion. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 19:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't believe the name was stated. Perhaps in the next chapter. --tjstrf talk 22:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you reading the braille edition? --tjstrf talk 21:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The pentacle explosion 

message: I think the article should mention that these techniques have German names and their activating commands are actually in German - chapter 276 even provides a handy illustration with German text when Ishida explains the technique he used. In the manga the actual, German pronunciation is written as furigana next to the text (similarly how "Quincy" is always written with kanji and the actual pronunciation is supplied by furigana), and in the anime Uryuu actually says the German words when he activates the various techniques. His German pronunciation is bad, but nevertheless he's quite obviously not talking in Japanese.
I corrected the two technique names that were obviously wrong: Haizen -> Heizen ("ei" is pronounced as "ai", the word means "to heat") and Gritz -> Glitz, means "glitter." As for the other two, I've no idea what "vorukooru" is supposed to be, and I'm not quite sure about Sprenger either. The katakana suggest an "er" ending but "Sprenger" seems to mean "watering can" in German, and I doubt that was what Kubo was going for. :D I suspect it's actually a corruption of either "Sprengel" which means "to sprinkle" (I think) or "sprengen" which means "to blast" (which would actually make sense). Anyway, the katakana is "shupurengaa" not "Supurengeru" as the current article claims, so I corrected that.
As for the commands, I don't have the Japanese manga with me so I can't look them up, but IIRC the command for Heizen was "Ich schenke Zeichen," "I give a sign." Naturally, Kubo's German is less than stellar, and mine is not very good either, so I don't trust myself with trying to decipher the other commands. But I suggest that someone whose German is better than mine take a look at them. (By the way, there seems to be no relation between the Japanese and German names and commands. Go figure.) - Mufurc 09:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To whoever cancelled my edits - may I ask for a reason? Even if it's just "we won't change the names because this is how fandom knows them" (which I don't agree with). And in any case, at least the katakana reading given for Sprenger should be corrected. My German may not be very good, but I do know Japanese quite well. Check chapter 276, page 4. if you don't believe me: it says "シュプレンガー" not "スプレンゲル" as the current article claims. - Mufurc 11:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation #2 - gintou techniques 

message: The Quincies don't purify souls or bodies they just destroy or diable them. Quincy means "destroyer" for crying outloud and they don't submit to any supernatural authority, so I think the term "exorcist" should be removed from the page as they are more like "exterminators". So I will remove the offending mention Bushido Brown 18:05, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers, PeterSymonds (talk) 20:39, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Excorcists?