Talk:Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny

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message: Since finding out their names is a big part of the game, should this major spoiler be given on this page? I removed them a while back but User:MannPower put them back in. -- 92.229.183.52 (talk) 08:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Spoiler says "It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot."  Dream Focus 19:32, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for pointing that out. The names still add nothing to the article other than a bit of fan service. But rather than just two people disagreeing, I'd be interested in getting other parties' opinions on the matter here if you'd like. Scottman 01 (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of the Shadowlords represents the antithesis of one of the three guiding principles: Faulinei, the Shadowlord of Falsehood opposes Truth; Astaroth, the Shadowlord of Hatred opposes Love; and Nosfentor, the Shadowlord of Cowardice opposes Courage. Mentioning their connection to the three guiding principles I think is important.  Mentioning these major characters of the game, the ones you are fighting against, by name is something you'd do in any article about a game.  Not fan service to state the facts.  Also people could easily Google for the names if they wanted to find them.  They wouldn't see them here and be able to remember them at a glance, so they'd still have to find them in the game if they wanted to play fair.  Dream Focus 21:46, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good thoughts. And honestly I'm fine with spoilers myself; I only brought them up because of this note (so again thank you for pointing out the newer rule regarding spoilers here). The only question is the relevance of their names, which seems to be a matter of opinion at this point. (Anyone else?) Scottman 01 (talk) 01:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shadowlord names in Article 

message: I have included some highly specific info on game box differences which is probably not of interest to many people. However, I searched for quite a long time to try to ascertain the specifics of the differences and couldn't find this information anywhere including the collectible Ultima sites so thought I would list it here. If anyone has any information about the other releases it might be nice to include those also. Thomascjackson (talk) 09:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work.  You can never have too much information.  Anyone who doesn't like it, can just skip over it.  Dream Focus 13:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version differences 

message: I played the game long ago on my Apple 2, and I recall when you met a Shadowlord in town, and it caught up to you, you would enter a battle scene, and could just run away.  But its been so long my memory could be in error.  Did it put you in a cage instantly, or just after it got close enough to touch you?  Dream Focus 13:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shadowlord cage question

message: The article states that you didn't need to use the magic carpet to get the scepter. How was one supposed to get it?  There were false floors surrounding it.  Was there some other method for getting over them?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.16.150 (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Been too long since I played it for me to remember.  The guys at the Ultima Wiki  say you need it.  The Official Book of Ultima, page 216, says to use the magic carpet to get it, not mentioning any other way.  "Getting the Sceptre -- the Easy Way" is what that section is called.  So another way might be there.  Anyway, since more than one person, you and those editing the Ultima wiki, say you need it, then unless someone says otherwise, I say remove that bit. Doing so now. Dream Focus 23:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Old note, but just to weigh in, this is correct; there are pit traps surrounding the scepter, and the magic carpet is the only way to cross them. Otherwise you fall down and insta-die in a lava pit. (I suspect Addams was just being creative when she titled that part "Getting the Sceptre -- the Easy Way"....) Scottman 01 (talk) 19:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  magic carpet not required for get the scepter? 

message: Regarding how the Avatar drives back the Shadowlords in the intro cinematic, the game differentiates between the amulet and the Ankh. "Hastily you retrieve the amulet and Ankh that lie at your feet" in one paragraph, then "Without warning, the amulet, tightly gripped in your hand, emits a bright blue glow." (Screenshots of these passages can be googled.) Scottman 01 (talk) 22:37, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Amulet and the Ankh 

message: Any thoughts on merging Ultima V: Lazarus with this article? As one of the lead designers and producers of Lazarus (as well as being one of those mentioned to work in the games  industry for over ten years because of it), I'd love it if it had its own page, but after a few months of working on that entry, Lazarus doesn't seem to have enough to warrant an article of its own. It can, however, be pared down to fit here fairly easily. Scottman 01 (talk) 19:18, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much information could be merged.  Got enough content to be its own article anyway.  Anyway, you have to put mergeto and mergefrom at the top of the articles in question if you want a discussion about this.  Dream Focus 20:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the info. I actually worked hard to champion Lazarus having its own Wikipedia article, only to be informed by editors with much more experience that there's really not enough. They had some pretty good points and I'd be happy to start said discussion. Scottman 01 (talk) 21:15, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe that Lazarus is notable enough to stand on its own (only 3 references, and 2 of them are simple reviews). We should absolutely merge the articles. Lazarus deserves a section in this article that hits the highlights. This has been a 'discussion' for a year with no movement, so let's not let this linger. Anyone else want to chime in? 87Fan (talk) 16:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I boldly merged the content given that this discuss was a year old with relatively no movement, and the original page didn't warrant its own article. 87Fan (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted you.  It passes the general notability guidelines so warrants its own article.  Having multiple reviews in reliable sources is how a video game is determined to be notable.  Dream Focus 22:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

text: Some additional reviews are listed on their official site.  Computer Gaming World went out of business, and the archive of their magazine issues is hard to read and search through.  But its got enough coverage mentioned in the article already to pass WP:GNG  Dream Focus 22:19, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging Ultima V: Lazarus