Talk:Paul Twitchell

message: This article is clearly biased, and features few, if any, reliable sources. As much of the information is clearly unsourcable (such as 'Paul passing on to the next realm' or whatever), it will be deleted from the article. Please help by cleaning up the article. Tachyon502 (talk) 23:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added Dr. Grantham Hughes signature, even though it was a long time agoCoffeepusher (talk) 16:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: There is an uncanny phonetical resemblance with the sikh concept of Ik Onkar. I would not be surprised if Twitchell was inspired from this considering his relationship with Sant Kirpal Singh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.164.14 (talk) 08:25, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarity to the Sikh "Ik Onkar" 

message: There seems to be a huge bias in this article favour of Eckankar. The way The Whole Truth gets referenced as "proof" that critics are wrong is one such example.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.7.84 (talk) 10:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is pro-eckist 

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thread_title:  removing POV tag with no active discussion per [[Template:POV]] 

message: Hi, I would like to clean up and expand this page but am new to this and would like some help from an experienced Wikipedia editor in 'biographies'. 
Little of the information comes from "reliable secondary sources"; how can I improve that utilise original sources (eg DOB info official docs) and minimize disputes with others pro/con Twitchell/Eckankar?.
A major source ref is " Marman, Doug. The Whole Truth - The Spiritual Legacy of Paul Twitchell. Spiritual Dialogues Project, 2007, pp. 48-53." 
This is a self-published work - the author is biased Eckankar/Twitchell apologist - has no experience/published works in such research - 
the source work includes unverifiable "claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities);"
the source work contains unverifiable claims BY 3rd parties, living and deceased. 
the source work contains multiple errors of historical facts
as per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29
Prior editors relying on The Whole Truth references appear to have "A Wikipedia conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor." 
And are relying upon "original research" in that book. 
ref #33  Spiritual Dialogues Project | The Whole Truth - goes to a Book for Sale page - Plus the last external link url
As you can probably see, I have little idea what to do here, thanks for any help as I learn how to do this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.81.172 (talk) 22:16, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The neutrality of this article is disputed. 

message: I've read all the books on this publication list.  I appreciate that the current copyright holder may have republished some or all of this list of books and that is what some of the publication dates stem from.
I find this very misleading, however.  I had read ALL these books by the late 1980s and most of them by the early 80s.  Remember, Twitchell died in 1971.
So by the early 80s most if not all these books would have seen multiple printings.  I don't know how to get the correct publication dates for these books but thought it worthy of mention
for the sake of clarity.
Zerostatetechnologies (talk) 05:02, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions about publication dates of listed books 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Q. 27.  Master, in Las Vegas there is a man by the name of Paul Twichell, who has written a book in which he makes many references to Sant Mat without using the term “Sant Mat”, and which includes some of the names.  Are you aware of him?  He teaches the Sound Current.
A.  I have read the book.  I don’t want to say anything against anyone.  But, I personally think that what he has written was taken from our books.  There is hardly a word in the book which is not referred to in any of our books.
Q.  He was very clear to omit the term “Sant Mat”.  Everything else was Sant Mat, but he didn’t use the term “Sant Mat.”
A.  If you study this book and then study Philosophy of the Masters and Prof. L.R. Puri’s book, Mysticism, Part II, you will see that the words are exactly the same.  The sentences have not even been changed.  But, that may also be his own experience; I can’t say anything about it.
Q.  I see good in most things, including myself, and I always thought that perhaps it was part of the Creator’s plan that a man like Paul Twichell should be here to help effect spiritual development.
A.  Well, if it is part of a Divine Plan, the Lord knows His own ways and means of pulling a soul.  I’ve nothing against this gentleman.  I’ve nothing against anybody.  As long as he talks about the teaching and talks about the same Lord, talks about the same thing, it is acceptable to us.  It’s much better than talking about the worldly things.
– Thus Saith the Master: Maharaj Charan Singh’s 1970 round-the-world tour, 2nd edition, Punjab: Radha Soami Satsang Beas, 1975, pages 132 to 133. Out-of-print.
Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 00:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Master Charan Singh of Beas on Paul Twitchell 

message: Question : Too much fakery and too much commercialism?
Master : Yes, yes. Too much propaganda. I tell you one American was initiated by me–I’ve got the initiation report in his own handwriting. Then he wrote to me, “The Master’s Form appears to me inside.” That Form used to speak to him, dictate to him, inside. And all that dictation was put into a book and the manuscript was sent to me in 1963. Then later on he started a new movement.
Question : Yes, I’ve heard about him.
Master : Later he sent me another letter, “Return my book, The Tiger’s Fang.” That is what such-like people will do. They had some little thing, and got stuck fast there. Now he’s carrying on propaganda. He says he was never initiated by me. He was initiated in 1955. Some people get stuck fast on the way. This little ego is very difficult to get rid of unless there’s some kind of protection. This is a living example. He has written other books. I need not mention his name.
Question: I don’t think he mentions Your name either.
Master : I don’t think he would. Why say things about anyone? If any man does well, all right. I returned his book. That was dictated by me on inner planes, and that’s all right. He changed that book before printing; where he mentioned my name, he changed it to another guru’s name.
– Kirpal Singh, Heart-to-Heart Talks, Volume One, Ruhani Satsang, 1975, page 53.
Oliver Puertogallera (talk) 01:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Master Kirpal Singh of Delhi on Paul Twitchell 

message: THe article currnetly states that Twitchell married his first wife, Camille Ballowe, on August 12, 1942 in Providence, Rhode Island. This is cited to Johnson (2003:100.) I'm looking at Johnson right now, and while it does state that he married Ballowe in 1942, the exact date and location of the marriage is not mentioned. Anyone know where these details come from?Dolorite (talk) 18:31, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: First marriage date and location

message: I suggest that the 2006 publication date for an article is misleading. "In a 2006 article" ... David Lane's 200 page xeroxed thesis on Eckankar was circulating widely among Eck members in the 1970s and caused a big exodus of members.  He then published a book using the thesis (I presume) as basis in 1993.  He is the chief verbal opponent of Eckankar but has outstanding academic credentials. A biased editing would try to downplay him. 2600:382:4A2:3FB4:4D02:DDD:AEF8:D569 (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations of Plagiarism