Talk:Lada Niva

message: "In Australia, this vehicle is very poorly regarded and unpopular because parts are extremely difficult to get..." This is simply not true now days. All parts can be ordered online (and at quite reasonable prices too). 
The main reason that the Niva was not universally popular in Australia is that it was sold in the face of better equipped and more powerful Japanese 4WDs.
Tartanperil 02:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Australia

message: The GM-Avtovaz website lists a model called the Niva FAM1 ("Characteristics CHEVROLET NIVA with FAM1 1,8 L Ecotec engine, 4-cylindric, 16 valved") , so it looks as if it is now in production. GagHalfrunt 23:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chevrolet Niva with Ecotec Family 1 engine 

message: I wanna get one of these and fix it up for the Plymouth-Dakar enthusiast rally. (See also the Budapest-Bamako run).
Lo-tech, rugged, good ground clearance, few electricals to get 'gremlined' during the long and hard run. So Basic, you can fix it with a few tools (included :-) )
Eddyholland 10:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plymouth-Dakar (Lo-Cost) enthusiast rally 

message: The Niva was the number one jeep in sells, in Brazil between 1990 and 1993.Problems in Russia, lack of parts,etc. doomed Lada in Brazil.Today, the niva is back to Brazil.See these sites, in portugese: CAOA Niva and  [Niva Autoesporte.Agre22 (talk) 20:23, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Niva isn't back to Brazil

message: "Bognor Diva
Car manufacturer Bognor in Uruguay assembled a version, the Bognor Diva released in 2004." - Sounds like vandalisim to me...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.164.49 (talk) 20:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be checked 

message: In basic form, the Niva has a carbureted 1.6-litre overhead cam four-cylinder petrol engine
Actually, new cars with carbureted engines currently are not sold in Russia. The Niva currently is called LADA 4x4 and has 1.7L engine with fuel injection -  (link in Russian). 95.79.20.134 (talk) 17:47, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lada Niva and Chevrolet Niva are two different vehicles, although both produced by Avtovaz. Santamoly (talk) 21:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have moved part of the text from the introduction into another paragraph, since it is obviously not necessary to write about Putin's personal offroader in the preface of the article, and brought it to a neutral point of view. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 06:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some fixes 

message: I think the press may have gotten Putin’s side of the story wrong. In 2006, Lada started offering the Niva with an Opel engine as the result of a design study with Chevrolet about export markets. This became the top-tier engine on the Chevy Niva domestically, Niva FAM1.
I think Putin was saying that he ordered the standard Opel engine option - not a custom car. Telegraph not knowing this, extrapolated that it was a custom car - inferring Putin was not buying the same car any average Russian could buy.
Not sure just yet if it should be edited, but “custom car” doesn’t seem like a good fit. Perhaps, it would be better to say that he ordered one with an Opel engine, similar to Chevrolet models of the Niva. Tabris06 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 11:15, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for clarifying things here. I've edited that part of the article to avoid misunderstanding. Eriba-Marduk (talk) 13:25, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putin 

message: The article states that the transmission was changed from 4 to 5 speed in 1985 which is wrong, since I personally own a 1988 production Lada Niva 1600 (VAZ-2121) with originally build 4 speed transmission. Moreover, I checked many post 1985 and even post 1990 production Nivas which all also have the usual 4 speed manual transmission.
Actually, the transmission really was changed, but yet on the new model (Lada Niva 1,7/VAZ-21213) starting from 1993 when the previous one was discontinued. So, there is no 5 speed Niva 1600, except maybe some exceptions - either some export models which were often tuned up by foreign Lada importers for their market, or some of the sole Niva owners, which sometimes changed 4 speed transmission with 5 speed one, mainly to achieve lower fuel consumption on higher engine RPM.
Other thing, it is also stated that Niva today does not use full time 4 wheel drive anymore, which is even more incorrect. From where is that info pulled at all? All Nivas, starting from 1977 with the old Niva 1600 to latest, 2014 LADA 4x4 always had permanent, that is, full time, 4WD.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.201.226.146 (talk) 18:10, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transmission and full time 4WD 

message: In a listing of short models, there was speak of "Landole" models. This is, as far as I know, essentially "landaulet", but I need a citation for that. I suppose I could use the pronunciation of Ландоле in Russian but I don't know Russian... And then there was a clusterfuck of "Used a limited demand because of low high-torque motor for off-road and poor speakers on public roads." Aeaaaeaeaee?? what is this? Ellenor2000 (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions, clusterfuck of typos 

message: And now there are two Lada Nivas, the Lada 4x4 and the Lada Niva II, an incorrect appelation, formerly the Chevrolet Niva.Degen Earthfast (talk) 18:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why the new article was moved to Lada Niva II. Perhaps it ought to be called VAZ-2123 Niva? Do articles always have to have the most recent name of a car? I looked at the automotive naming conventions and they do not really cover cars whose names changed.  Mr.choppers | ✎  20:14, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Two Nivas

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message: The mentioned comparison of Niva with Land Rover Series and Land Rover Defender in the introductory section of the article is both false
and unecessary due to two very obvious reasons.
First and foremost, those two are actually completely different types of cars. The Land Rover on the one hand, is a purebred off-road vehicle with classic, boxy-alike body with no-sloped rear section and which features removable roof (for placing tarpaulin), an externally placed spare wheel as well as having a simple rear door instead of a tailgate (which, thus, opens either to the side or downwards) and whose trunk compartment features two foldable and removable benches placed in configuration facing each other (like on a flatbed truck) instead of featuring a single rear seat, like found on all passenger cars.
Taking these above stated design features into account, the Land Rover can and should be comparable exclusively to the other vehicles of such type, which in Russian case falls only to two models of their military 4x4 vehicles; the GAZ-69 or UAZ-469/3151 (nowadays UAZ "Hunter") - but by no means Niva.
The Niva on the other hand, is something totally different than anything described above. It is an truly revolutionary and highly innovative design, since it is, purely and simply stated, an "off-road vehicle hidden in body of a classic passenger car", as was described by its own creators, the late Vladimir Solovyev and Pyotr Prusov. The Niva features a typical semi-coupe (three-door) hatchback body of its time (conceptually nothing different than body of VW Golf Mk-I, Renault 5, VAZ-2108 Sputnik/Lada Samara or
Zastava Yugo/Koral 45 - both externally as well as internally) due to which also features an unibody structure (integrated chassis), but placed on a 4x4 suspension - with springs and shock absorbers featuring hightened ground clearance and with wheels and tires appropriate for such type. Exactly due to this very distinct and specific appearance, the Niva is very often misconcepted as being a "classic/usual off-road vehicle" (especially when compared to modern/21th century cars featuring oblique body with aerodynamic profile, where its classic, "boxy-alike" body even more resembles "pure" off-road vehicle and which only additionally draws to false conclusions to which type of car it actually belongs).
Furthermore, the article itself points-out the fact that Niva was described as "Renault 5 put on a Land Rover chassis", which at the end turns out even more contradictory to the stated comparison with Defender - which has nothing to do with such concept nor design. Niva can be barely even described as being an SUV, since all of the SUVs naturally never feature any kind of (serious) off-road capabilities, in contrast to Niva and all the usual off-road vehicles.
To additionaly clarify the point, the basic off-road vehicles (like Defender, UAZ-469, GAZ-69, Willys MB, Fiat Campagnola, Mercedes G class/Steyr Puch G, and etc.) in official Russian terminology regarding vehicle types are all described as "Внедорожник" ("Vnedorožnik", anglicized as "Vnedorozhnik") and simply meaning; "off-roader", while the Niva is the sole and the only car featuring off-road capabilities which is described as "Автомобили повышенной проходимости" ("Avtomobil povišennoj prohodimosti"/"Avtomobil povishennoy prokhodimosty") which translated as "car with improved capabilities", additionally pointing to the fact that it belongs to unique and very different type of vehicle which is thus, simply uncomparable to classic off-road cars, or in other words - to all other vehicles featuring off-road capabilities.
To simplify, Niva is not an off-road vehicle but it still features the off-road capabilities (it is a literal hybrid of a passenger car and off-road vehicle), which makes it so unique and almost completely uncomparable to Land Rover or any other "ordinary" off-road vehicle. Exactly due to this, it does not have and actually never had any counterparts by class and type - it is actually the sole car of its class and which it represents (a short digression here; this is also the first and the main reason why it is still in production for currently 44 years so far - also making it the third longest-produced car in the entire history of automotive industry), so it simply cannot be directly compared to any other "usual" off-road vehicles, or vice-versa. Its sole feature than can be comparable lies exclusively in its off-road capabilities (which are straight in-line with the ordinary off-road vehicles), but it cannot be compared by class, that is, by type in any means.
Second and arguably even more obvious reason why this comparison is false lies in fact that Defender actually came to production and market six full years after Niva (yet in 1983), which makes comparison of Niva to Defender even more nonsense. So, the Defender can be eventually comapared to Niva in production-length, but not the opposite and not in anything else - beside their off-road capabilities.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.227.2.28 (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Lada Niva is an off-road car: 1234. Jirka.h23 (talk) 07:43, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

text: With full respect to your opinions, they have no value here, original research is here forbidden. Wikipedia RS. Jirka.h23 (talk) 10:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Jirka.h23 (talk) 19:10, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: False and unnecessary comparison with Land Rover

message: The article says: "It was the only Soviet car that was ever sold in Japan, starting from the early 1980s, inspiring their Suzuki Samurai".
The source of that information is listed just as "Thompson, p.187".
I have not been able to find any additional information that supports this claim. I don't see how a Lada Niva released in 1977 could be the inspiration for a car that was released in 1970. 201.49.154.3 (talk) 21:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suzuki Samurai Inspiration