Talk:Gendercide

message: http://statisticstimes.com/demographics/sex-ratio-of-india.php#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20United%20Nations,compare%20to%2051.96%25%20male%20population.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:DE0:2F98:BDEE:B344:C49A:2617 (talk) 23:17, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: India Removed from Outdated Stat Alongside China

message: :This page should not be moved.  Gendercide also includes sex-selective killing of men.  There is growing literature on this phenomenon (see Gendercide and Genocide by Adam Jones, who runs the [www.gendercide.org Gendercide Watch] website).  This article should eventually discuss mass killings of both females and males. --SecondSight 03:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really think that's a big problem -- on occasion I can be very stuffy about Classical accuracy (as you can see over at Talk:Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia), but "Gendercide" doesn't bother me too much.  It still makes a lot more etymological sense than "homophobia", and even the ancient Latin form "homicidium" seems slightly irregular (for expected "hominicidium"). AnonMoos 03:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Opposed, males are killed as well and believe it or not it is just as tragic. Life is sacred, whether it's male or female. This article is already slanted but this would be two steps back. 76.185.10.76 11:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the question isn't whether killing males is tragic, but whether this should be within the scope of this article. fair enough, so gendercide is a neologism. We cannot just treat it as if it was a regular word, but have to state who coined it and who uses it. dab (ᛏ) 15:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: The references section is larger than the article itself! I doubt that these many references are actual citations for the article. It would appear to be a dumping ground for listing feminist literature. —Malber (talk • contribs) 04:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah... Unless someone is willing to go through and figure out which ones actually belong, the entire section will have to be deleted. --Icarus (Hi!) 08:10, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur and have removed them. ✤ JonHarder talk 23:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Don't merge it with "sex selection", which seems to refer exclusively to what happens before birth.  The two topics are interrelated, but somewhat distinct... AnonMoos 03:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sex selection.  I was thinking you meant sexual selection which is also another topic altogether. 76.111.80.228 (talk) 20:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sex selection

message: So, I see a NPOV tag on the main article, and came here to find the discussion... so what's the issue? How is this article not neutral as it stands?--Adzze 23:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. Its been there since at least last October, so I'm removing it since whoever placed it didn't feel the need to come to the talk page and explain.--Crossmr 23:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality? 

message: Should seperate (a) page(s) be established for feminicide and the male counterpart, or redirects put into place? Feminicide at least needs to come up when entered in wiki.. Came here first to gather consensus. --Iliaskarim 17:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No I don't think so.  We should instead look to add referenced material for Viricide (murder of males) and Femicide (murder of women),  the example of the bosniak men being singled out for murder is a good one.  I'll try and source that.  That is exactly the kind of act one would use as an example of viricide because the perpetrators are singling the men and boys out to prevent them from someday taking up arms against them.  There are many examples of this throughout history.  Femicide is easier to find examnples of us becuase it's more common, but Viricide is just as real.LiPollis 16:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No, Viricide can be used to mean the killing of males. It's from the Latin word Vir, meaning man (also the root of the word virile) and was in use to refer to men before the discovery of viruses. Please do some research before getting annoyed about things you've misunderstood.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.253.165 (talk) 18:43, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page for feminicide? 

message: The section on Viricide makes no mention whatsoever of the massacre of Milesian men by Ionian men, and the subsequent domination of the Milesian women.  Being a borderline antisocial male I've always found this chapter in history to be unhealthily interesting.  Moreover it is the earliest recorded example,that I know of, of Viricide.  And tradition has it, the massacre was so severe, the modern Milesian women, to this day, have not forgiven their menfolk, for their male ancestors' atrocity.  I think it might be worth a mention for that. 76.111.80.228 (talk) 23:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds very interesting. If you have a reliable source for your information, please feel free to go ahead and add it to the article. --Icarus (Hi!) 00:21, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I am sorry but the basis for this example, and to use its proponents working the "vibe" is a bit much. What is going on is a single source, Herodotus, is hundreds of year after the supposed event, explained the custom of eating separately as a vendetta in a war between the sexes. I should also like to point out that until my corrections the entire chronology of the Ionian takeover was incorrect. Miletus was taken over by Ionians during the so called dark ages of Greece sometime between 1000 and 800 BCE -- not 600 BCE.Jenston (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Miletus

message: The first paragraph contains an extraordinary claim that radical feminism, as distinguished from mainstream feminism, allows using the term 'gendercide' with reference to male victims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, but citations given to support this claim are extraordinary non-proofs. Daphne Patai not only isn't a radical feminist, but even her right to call herself a feminist is questioned by mainstream feminists, precisely because of the cited book. Mary Daly is a radical feminist, but the cited interview doesn't even have the word 'gendercide' in it, and thus it can't support any claims about the word's usage. I delete the claim about usage by radical feminists. Rulatir (talk) 10:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The claim about word's usage by radical feminists 

message: Goingoveredge, please don't remove information under pretext of removing dead links like you did here. The dead links were in fact present in "External Links" which I have removed now. Please see WP:DEADLINK for wikipedia policy on this issue. Specifically, - "You can try to find the current location of the resource using a Google search. Dead links of online newspaper articles can be converted to references to off-line sources. Do not simply remove dead links; they often contain valuable information."--RoadAhead Discuss 19:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing information with dead links 

message: I don't agree with the idea that this was an example of viricide.  There was not an especial shortage of Soviet women along with the men taken prisoner by the Nazis; and I'm not aware of any statistics that indicate women slave laborers had any better or worse odds of survival than their male counterparts.  There may have been Nazi party leaders who made sure to preserve the lives of female slave laborers, because they wanted to keep them around.  But there were, I believe, other Nazi party leaders (of either the opposite sex or another sexual preference say) who preserved the lives of male slave laborers for similar reasons.  Regardless the Reich's apparatus of extermination considered its mandate to include the annihilation of all the caucasian peoples (the peoples from or from around the Caucacus mountains), along with all the rest of the world's supposed sub-humans, not excluding by gender or anything else.
A better case for viricide could be made for the Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman Turks.  This genocide was made to annihilate all the Armenians in the Ottoman empire.  Yet Armenians were diverted from the forced death marches and other atrocities to be taken as personal trophies of Turks.  These slaves were almost exclusively young women or girls.  Those boys that were so spared were I believe often made into eunuchs.  Which one could make an arguments is a kind of viricide. 76.111.80.228 (talk) 05:17, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's no source, or a source given does not support the claim made, or is not from a reliable source, feel free to remove the information from the article. --Icarus (Hi!) 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Viricide of Soviet prisoners held by the Nazis 

message: I have redirected the page on Androcide to point here, as it was a stub containing less information than this page does (merely duplicating a single line of this article.) The page on Femicide is more in-depth but perhaps it should be merged into this article in the interests of balance?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.144.253.165 (talk) 18:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect of Androcide page 

message: I propose to restore the Violence Against Women template to the Femicide section, as a companion to the Violence Against Men template that's already in the Androcide section. I assume the fitness complaint is about either content or layout. Both templates are appropriate for the respective sections, as they point readers to related articles to which they may wish to navigate. The layout issue (it gets pushed down by the Homicide template) appears to be unresolvable, since that template belongs with the section it's in, unless someone wants to propose moving it down to, say, the See Also section, which positioning I don't enthuse over but don't strongly oppose. Both of the Violence templates could be deleted for balance (perhaps an NPOV issue) but providing navigation aids is generally recommended. So I favor re-adding to the former location. I'll wait a week for any comments. Thank you. Nick Levinson (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Nick Levinson (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  proposing re Violence Against Women/Men navigation templates 

message: The issue of whether abortion is foeticide has been established in most developed countries; it has been overwhelmingly decided that abortion is not foeticide, therefore is shouldn't be included in this article, or in any related articles (foeticide, infanticide, femicide, etc). --92slim (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abortion-related query 

message: Why is there no mention of genders which are neither male nor female?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.251.19 (talk) 06:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there is something to be said about systematic killing of homosexuals, asexuals, etc. But they should not be added without a source, and it should be noticed that there is a difference between gender and gender identity. --Morianer (talk) 14:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-binary genders 

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