Talk:Stable vices

message: Removed note because I ended up having time to address the issue. Countercanter (talk) 01:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No one has the guts to say it? 

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message: thumb|A horse in a stable with curved "V" shaped bars, often advertised as anti-weaving bars e.g. 
I disagree with the current lead image.  It shows 3 equids grazing on pasture, which is so far removed from "stable vices" I think it is misleading.  I boldly reverted this and replaced it with the image in this thread.  An editor reverted this stating that my caption "The curved shape of the bars is designed to reduce weaving at the stable door." was not verifiable.  Please do a Google search using "anti-weaving" and "bars".  I suggest replacing the caption as "A horse in a stable with curved "V" shaped bars, often advertised as anti-weaving bars e.g. " DrChrissy (talk) 19:46, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I will agree that it isn't great, other than that pasture is a good way to prevent vices from forming.  I like the horse in the stall, except that as far as "anti-weaving bars," I shot you that video link on your talk -- and the horse is weaving over a gate with "anti-weaving" bars -- so there goes that theory.  Also, we have a US/UK difference -- in the US, the individual box is a stall, and stables are used basically as a plural or a verb, but not singular for an individual box... and it is also interesting that the door design is called an "anti-weaving" door in the UK, as I had not heard it called such in the US -- I've usually seen it called a "yoke" , ,  or sometimes a "v-door" . I also did find this article:  which mentions a door yoke as a way to discourage weaving, but notes that it might not work.   Maybe we can agree on a caption for the stabled horse that doesn't include a disputed claim? Montanabw(talk) 08:34, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, some good sources:   and .  Montanabw(talk) 08:34, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads-up about the US/UK different terminology.  I agree it does seem unsafe to have a lead image with a caption mentioning a disputed function.  How about we have the horse looking out picture with the simple caption "Stabled or stalled horses may develop abnormal behaviours called stable vices" DrChrissy (talk) 18:29, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if the image like that of the wood-chewing horse at the cribbing article would work better -- I'd like to see a horse exhibiting a vice -- that gray actually looks pretty happy...  Montanabw(talk) 22:20, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image 

message: Masturbation is discussed in a paragraph which the opening sentence indicates the behaviour is undesirable.   The section then goes on to say that masturbation is now considered as a normal behaviour.  Is it really an undesireable behaviour? If it is normal behaviour, it probably does not belong in this article. DrChrissy (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: , given that I have actually witnesses people whip male horses right on the you-know-what for assorted not-tucking-it-back-up (including after urination(!)), I think it should be kept, though I'm open to rephrasing to note that it was previously viewed as a vice but isn't now.  Go ahead and reword it you'd like.  Montanabw(talk) 22:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for that.  This is one of those tricky situations.  What I (or others) consider to be normal behaviour, others might consider to be undesireable.  I was hoping to gauge the feelings of horse people because I recognise that different types of animal carer can have very different feelings on such matters. DrChrissy (talk) 22:32, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I once knew a woman who used to tap her male horse on the hip and say, "Put that back up". It seemed to work. Also, my gelding does this whenever he gets hot. I don't care, but I can understand how some people find it gross or how it might be tough to explain to kids. White Arabian Filly Neigh 23:02, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand it too, but isn't that one of the reasons for keeping animals as pets - so that our children can learn about things such as life and death...and masturbation! DrChrissy (talk) 23:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masturbation