Talk:Gruit

message: The first part of this article is copied directly from the book Sacred and Herbal Healing Beers by Stephen Harrod Buhner. It comes from page 169 in my copy. This is plagerism at its worst. The book is not even cited. I don't have time to fix it but it should be done. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.57.10.165 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 5 December 2005.
:Plagiarism and other copyright violations must be removed, but can you be a little more specific? Melchoir 21:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

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message: Before I edited this article some 12 hours ago, there was a mixture of American and non-American spelling used. I believed I was bringing it into line with WP:ENGVAR by (1)making it consistent, and (2)choosing non-American spelling because the article chiefly deals with the subject in the context of British and European history. Obviously consistency is the most important element, but I am at a loss to understand why the spelling has now been switched to American, when there is scarcely any reference to America in the article.--Yumegusa (talk) 21:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When I did my first WP:ENGVAR edit on this article last December, I did miss the word "favour", so the article was still not fully consistent.  At that time (and currently) I found no reference at all to the UK (being a European article has no bearing on WP:ENGVAR since other European countries do not use English as their primary langauge).  The article was originally started in American English, so that is the language it should remain in unless there is good reason to consider it a British topic. VMS Mosaic (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay, I was wrong about the current state of the article as far as the UK being mentioned; I should know better than to depend on my memory and a quick look.  In any case, the article very clearly started in American English and very clearly was destubbed at 10:57, December 30, 2005 in American English, so per WP:ENGVAR this article should be in American English unless it "has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation".  Does it have a strong tie "to a particular English-speaking nation"?  Does it have a "strong" tie to a "particular" European country which uses British English as its PRIMARY (not A primary) language? VMS Mosaic (talk) 19:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry, I misunderstood your previous response.  VMS Mosaic (talk) 23:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  American vs. non-American spelling 

message: Sky Attacker changed two words, with the puzzling edit summary, "The English Wikipedia uses American Terminology, not British Terminology!" I reverted the change, citing WP:ENGVAR, and indeed others had already dealt with the issue above, and come to a consensus.
Although there is a tenuous association with Great Britain (evidently one of the last regions to switch to hops), I am willing to accept that WP:RETAIN is the operative policy. When the stub tag was removed here, the article was in American spelling. The very next edit converted it to British. So it would seem that American English is the original version.--Curtis Clark (talk) 13:41, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  American vs. non-American spelling, yet again 

message: It doesn't pass the sniff test. Gruit herbs can be many different herbs, most of them growing wild and easily gathered freely in the woods. Hops, on the other hand, is not a wild plant, requires special conditions, and would have been easier to embargo. Kortoso  (talk) 16:59, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hops and the Reformation 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Henbane seems to say that henbane is standard in gruit, but this article does not mention it at all.--Prosfilaes (talk) 09:14, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Henbane]]? 

message: I am about to revert the removal of the "Revival of Gruit Beers" section. I agree that the reverted edit *may* be a *bit* spammy or promotional on the part of the person who added the information (Ksanker), but the information itself does not seem to be wrong, and it does seem to add value to the article. @Ksanker does appear to be associated with the cited site, but a quick look at the website seems to indicate it's a reasonably substantial website, even if grandiloquently named. I suggest that if you don't like the editor's website that you find a better reference or find proof that the reference is incorrect. Pretty simple. --Craig (t|c) 03:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for reconsidering the edit. And in addition, I have now learned what "grandiloquently" means. Ksanker (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: (: You're welcome! --Craig (t|c) 09:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:   See section below. I agree with the anon. The WP:BURDEN to include this mess of fluff has not been met. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:50, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Anachronist: I stand by my previous point: "I suggest that if you don't like the editor's website that you find a better reference or find proof that the reference is incorrect. Pretty simple." Even the anon said, "Maybe not the best source", but was too lazy to find a better source, as you are. (That said, their personal opinion -- or maybe they're a wannabe English professor -- that they don't like the writing is also incredibly lazy, as opinions are a dime a dozen [including mine] whereas actual effort is required to improve the writing rather that just hitting "revert".) However, it has become clear to me in the last few months that some people here -- many of them so-called admins of one sort or another -- seem to equate bullying, ganging up on people and guarding their preferred version of an article as "consensus". Sadly, I'm too tired of the bullshit to give a fuck any more, so you and your "anon" on an IP address -- who is probably you or @MrOllie -- can have your degraded article. Congratulations, you've made Wikipedia better. We're all indebted to you, oh Lord. --Craig (t|c) 04:27, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion of "Revival" section 

message: The article of the "Canadian beer council" that is linked in the Revival of gruit beers section is an obvious bullshit article written by AI. You can tell by its style; the overly ornamental language and repetitive phrases give it away. It also doesn't contain specific details or useful information. Maybe not the best source. 2001:4C4C:19A1:9100:955F:86A1:94E2:61AB (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. This section has been removed and re-added. I just removed it again. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source written by chatGPT