Talk:Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan

message: Are the characters actually based on the band, Kishidan? It says that in the Kishidan article... if it's true and anyone has any sources on that (the other definetely does not, but it's very believable so I wouldn't doubt it entirely) then we should put that in this article. Accelagirl 15:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doubtful. While the style of the Ouendan is exaggerated, there are stern-faced, black-clad cheeerleaders in Japan. Just generally with shorter coats and less ridiculous hairstyles. I see both Kishidan and Ouendan being influenced by the "Yankee" style (in particular, the long coats and pompadours), but that's where the similarity ends. Plus, you could make the argument that Ryuuta's hairstyle isn't a pompadour, but a chonmage with an incredibly huge topknot... --Julian Grybowski 16:02, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kishidan 

message: If the titles are to be imported, they must be bought in Japan first by the exporter. Would the import sales in other nations not then be included in the Japanese sales? While I don't think that the article says anything that is outright incorrect (though getting sources in there would help prove so), it could be easily misunderstood that the high sales from importers help to prop up the Japanese sales. (which they do, but that effect has already been accounted for in the numbers quoted).--Slavik81 20:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that sales statistics in Japan are obtained from retailers, not from distributors / wholesalers. Kcumming 15:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theoretically Speaking 

message: Can anyone translate the title of this game please?
Done.
Nsteinberg 20:47, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title translation? 

message: After the title was changed to Osu! Tatakae! Oendan (with a horizontal line on the O), I changed it back to Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan because that is the standard romanization and the one that Nintendo uses (Mouse over the link to the 4.2 MB movie and look at the status bar) and the one that the developer iNiS uses (Look at the image name of the Ouendan thumbnail).
Nsteinberg 20:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Romanization 

message: SAVING?
How do you save in this game? I think it might be important to those who can't read japanese.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.0.85.171 (talk • contribs) 20:45, 27 July 2006  (UTC)
:Progress is saved automatically after you beat a mission. I added a sentence about it in the gameplay section.  HeartofGold  (Searching) 21:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold A,B,X,Y,L and R at the same time. Then select はい, then はい again.--220.99.57.38 16:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Saving

message: Since there was a revision, I thought I'd bring the discussion here, instead of just going back to my revision.
It is true that the game never states that the player is controlling the actions of the cheer squad.  I was just trying to make an inaccurate statement work a little better.  "Ouendan stars a group of three cheerleaders by rhythmically cheering for various troubled people." is inaccurate for the following reasons.
#Using the word cheerleaders implies, to an English-speaking audience, American-style cheerleaders.  There are some (the three girl cheerleaders), but they are only available with unlocked content.
#Saying that the game stars three of them implies that there are only three in the game.  It's true that there are only three at a time, but there are a total of 8 "playable" characters in the cheering squad.
So, as an alternative, I would propose the following.
Oudendan's protagonists are a cheering squad, who progress through the game by rhythmically cheering for various troubled people.
If there are no further comments after a week, I'll go with that.
Kcumming 01:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stars three cheerleaders" 

message: I changed the phrase "represents the player performance" with "represents the chracter or chracters fighting spirit" because it is what it represents. The kanji at the end of the abr literally means "firm spirit" if i'm not mistaken and can be translated as "mood". This way the phrase makes more sense thematically while keeping the good explanation.
Please discuss.
General Norris 11:46, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Life Bar

message: I inserted a new section into the article that was quickly deleted. The text I inserted is as follows:
"Osu!" as a Japanese expression 	 
The cheer squad's signature shout "Osu!" can be translated a number of ways. In Japanese, it is a typical masculine affirmation analogous to English phrases such as "Yo!", "Yeah!" or "Yes, sir!" Notably, only the male cheerleaders in the game actually use the word. In the Insane difficulty setting, "Karei ni Ouen," the Cheer Girls shout "Go!" in English in all parts of the game the males shout "Osu!" Similarly, while the men begin each stage shouting "Ikuze!" (a masculine phrase meaning "Here we go!") before counting down from three in Japanese, the Cheer Girls use the distinctly more feminine "Ikuwayo!" before counting down from three in English.
When deleted, the editor referred to this as "pointless." I don't agree, as I think that a section describing the literal translation of "Osu!" and the game's use of masculine and feminine Japanese is an interesting cultural note that could be of use to the article. Agree or disagree?--Hailinel 05:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's just it. Why does it matter? It's basically saying girls are being girls and guys are being guys. This isn't an article for discussing the masculinity or feminimity of certain phrases.—ウルタプ 05:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that English isn't structured in such gender-specific context, I think it is worth including. Yes, there are certain English phrases that guys use more than girls and girls more than guys, but even Japanese-language parts of speech have masculine/feminine context, which isn't something that most English speakers may be aware of. If we insert the section back in the article and add a link to a Wikipedia article or article section on gender in Japanese language, I think that it would be worth keeping.--Hailinel 05:30, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you even have sources for this information to begin with? Furthermore, why is this notable in relation with this game? It's like stating "This game uses Kanji script." Different languages have different characteristics. An article on a foreign video game isn't the place to note those characteristics. ' 22:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, I'll drop the proposal. Next time one of you calls something pointless, it wouldn't hurt to explain why.--Hailinel 02:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Seemingly,  it seems to be intended to be "Go!", because the Cheer girls shout "Go!" as a replacement to the guys' "Osu!"Luigi6138 13:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Osu in the context of this game means "push". They wouldn't have written it in the old style if it didn't have the old meaning. Look at http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%8A%BC%E5%BF%8D for the etymology. If you can't read that, then leave it alone. If you can read it, then pay attention to the second paragraph. The word is a combination of 押 and 忍 (push, and endure.) In an American context you could say "you gotta push it to the limit!" or something like that. Pay attention to how the word is used in the game. Translating it as "hey" or "yo" is wrong in this case. Bombman (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you prove that it is intended to be the martial arts thing? If you look on most modern kettles from Japan, where you push the little thing on top to release the latch, that is not the same second character, but it is still a kanji one, implying a different meaning. I see little to no reason as to why the title follows the "archaic" kendo meaning, as this game is not martial arts related. Luigi6138 (talk) 00:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's official. Either Nintendo Power is using us, or they have the right one. The most recent issue translates Osu as "Hey!". Luigi6138 (talk) 03:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While this debate is already settled, I'd like to point out that no, "push" is not an appropriate translation for 押忍 in this case (or really in any case other than a discussion of its etymology).  The etymology of the word, the fact that it's written in kanji, etc., have no bearing on the fact that "Push!" is not a common interjection/exclamation in English and would sound absolutely ridiculous in a title.  Regardless of the origin of the word, modern usage is so far removed from Yamamoto Jōchō's hagakure that any literal rendering would be wildly anachronistic.  -Amake (talk) 15:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion of "Osu!" 

message: The changes that are being done "according to WP:MOS-JP" need to be carefully analyzed.
MOS-JP says, for modern names (6.2):
:Spelling, including macron usage, of the name of a modern figure should adhere to the following, in order of preference:
:       1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet;
:       2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary;
:       3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world;
:       4. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in any other popular Latin-alphabet-using language (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, German, and Dutch, or variations); or
:       5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form.
Trade name-wise, the game has always been called "Ouendan" in English form (in game reviews, from Play Asia, etc.)  Thus, I'd argue, that it should be referred to as "Ouendan" throughout the article.  This also applies to the article name. --Masem 17:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Running over the "video" on the Nintendo mini-site for Ouendan, the filename of the video states "Ouendan", so even Nintendo intends it to be Ouendan, not the Hepburn form. Luigi6138 16:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, even if you dismiss 1, "Ouendan" is still valid for point 3 above - every major gaming site that has talked about the game, and every foreign game importer uses "Ouendan".  Also, by WP:UE: "If a native spelling uses different letters than the most common English spelling (eg, Wien vs. Vienna), only use the native spelling as an article title if it is more commonly used in English than the anglicized form."  Again, "Ouendan" is the name it is commonly known by in English speaking countries, not "Ōendan".  --Masem 03:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Following MOS-JP... 

message: If it's valid on Ouendan 2's article, it's valid here. Either remove it on both, or remove it on neither. The Kanji translations are helpful to those who don't know how to read Japanese and trying to navigate through and play the game.
Personally, I'd recommend that if this section is removed, leave the Kanji translations behind.  Luigi6138 (talk • contribs) 21:43, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: My last edit summary for this article: it was too long...

message: This seems to be the most popular target of reversion and re-reversion (n.b.: I'm one of the involved parties) - but I can't for the life of me figure out why. What's the justification for removing what appears to be a perfectly valid section? --moof (talk) 06:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty much just cruft, since the so-called "characters" have no impact on anything--they're just dancing in the background over there.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 13:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. No impact = removal. Re-removed. Luigi6138 (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the removal of the character names? 

message: I removed the following in the difficulty section.  It goes into excess detail that doesn't add much to the understanding of the topic at hand. - Matthew0028 09:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed excess detail in difficulty section