Talk:Jan Janszoon

message: So his name was changed from Murat Rais to Reis Mourad in sep 2020 -- and I have only ever seen him referred to as the former.  I don't want to start an edit war, but  can folks weigh in? Cglenn3932 (talk) 20:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: "His surname was toponymic, indicating his family was from the upper class.[2]"
This is spurious.
A toponymic surname may sometimes indeed indicate membership of an upper class, landed gentry. But it's also quite common among, well..., commoners, very often applied to make a distinction between people sharing what are very common names (like "Jan" and "Janszoon"). 
"Jan" was - and is - indeed a very common name in the Netherlands. It was not uncommon to even have multiple sibblings of the same family to be called "Jan", creating the need for specifiers often based on age, physical attributes, or indeed place of origin.
"van Haarlem", if anything, is an indication that Jan Janszoon was not living in Haarlem when he acquired this epithet, since it would make no sense to use a toponym to distinguish one person called Jan, son of another person called Jan, from other people going by the name Jan, quite possibly also sons of yet other persons called Jan, when all these "Jan"s live in the place indicated by the toponymic epithet.
So unless there is other evidence supporting the "upper class origin" assertion, it has to be removed entirely.  
The reference provided is not specific, points towards a book that provides no support for the claim at all.
For those reasons, the claim is removed.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.157.96.160 (talk) 12:38, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toponymic =\= upper class 

message: Barbarossa, Oruj and Hadressin Pasa were turkish captains, most of them had a rank like "reis" that is mean a Captain.... He is converted to the islam and hold a rank "reis"bij Ottomans. In many Turkish history books you can find a information about him... Ok maybe he went to sale... but.... In the early modern age, to have or a hold rank in the ottoman empire was one of the best carier jobs.....
thanks 
Emirdagli (talk) 15:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey Captain 

message: The article states that its subject converted to Islam in 1618 and afterward served under Simon de Danser.  According to Wikipedia, this Simon died about 1611.  How do we reconcile the seeming contradiction?  Firstorm (talk) 17:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simon de Danser 

message: Reykjavik was founded in 1786, so there is some problem here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamin Trovato (talk • contribs) 05:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reykjavik 

message: The article claims that "the women did not complain".  The implication of that is at variance with the book "The Stolen Village" - ClemMcGann (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baltimore 

message: Good afternoon everyone, 
I've put up an expert flag on this because it seems to have multiple issues, but not minor or easily-solved ones. 
The list of sources in the citations seems very short, and in some places rather reliant on popular and semi-fictitious material. (I mean, come on -- Sex and the City? With no backup? Just a little bit lightweight for a historical piece...) 
This subject was active during a lively and important period in Dutch and Mediterranean history. The article looks good superficially, but it needs and IMHO deserves more 'source meat'. If I knew any historians of the Dutch Golden Age, I'd propose it to them. 
Just a personal 2p
Pufferfyshe (talk) 13:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I'll have a look at the Baltimore paragraph, but I'm not tackling the rest - ClemMcGann (talk) 16:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs expert attention 

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message: A number of places seem to mention this as a portrait - is there any genuine connection?--Pharos (talk) 02:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now raised this question at .--Pharos (talk) 00:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There seems to be an internal inconsistency.  The "early life" section says she died around 1600.  But a later section says that, in 1622, she and their children begged him to return to Holland.  They can not both be true. Jpg1954 (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates for Soutgen Cave