Talk:Cheilitis

message: This article was initially categorized based on scheme outlined at WP:DERM:CAT. kilbad (talk) 17:14, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article categorization 

message: Hello to all! I am proposing a merge from the following articles into this article:
* Plasma cell cheilitis  
* Allergic contact cheilitis 
* Cheilitis glandularis 
* Cheilitis exfoliativa 
This is for the following reasons:
* The main article would benefit significantly from having all this information in one place.
* These articles are very short in length (1-2 sentences) and have not been edited significantly in 3-4 years.
* This knowledge shouldn't be obscured from readers of this article by virtue of being isolated in an obscure article of 1-2 lines.
* These topics may receive more attention by being mentioned in the main article.
* The articles, if needs be, could be re-expanded at a later date.
Kind Regards, LT90001 (talk) 02:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally agree with this merge (presumably merging all these to cheilitis?). However, plasma cell cheilitis is also termed plasma cell gingivits, and can affect other parts of the mouth like the tongue too. Not sure in the case of plasma cell cheilitis it would be good merge into cheilitis, because it could equally belong on gingivitis or glossitis. Not to make a point, but I just moved plasma cell cheilitis to plasma cell gingivitis, because I found it to be the more notable name in searches. I'll see what I can do about merging the other stubs into the main cheilitis page. Lesion (talk) 20:13, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: Suspect "chapped lips" is the layterm for the medical jargon "exfoliative cheilitis". Per WP:MEDMOS#Naming conventions, we should be using the most commonly used term in recent scientific publications. Lesion (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a pathologist, but it seems chapped lips refers to a moderate degree of traumatic or environmental erosion of the mucosa, rather than an inflammatory process. LT90001 (talk) 22:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Erosion does have a specific definition, i.e. a superficial, partial thickness loss of epithelium which does not extend into the connective tissue. It is generally held to be a mild form of ulceration, (see also Oral_ulceration#Definition). I think the main process in chapped lips is drying, leading to desquamation and cracking. Therefore, I'm not sure it is accurate to say there is mucosal erosion, unless the cracks penetrate the epithelial continuity. Lesion (talk) 11:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

text: But dessication causes inflammation... I was looking at some of the "chapped lips" pictures that people have uploaded to commons, and you can't deny there is inflammation present. As always, one is left wondering if these people have received a diagnosis froma healthcare professional before uploading their images... or do they constitute "self diagnoses". Logically, if we take our cheilitis definition (which believe it or not I had to struggle to find a reliable source for) as "inflammation of the lips", and considering we already discuss both primary and secondary inflammatory processes affecting the lips on this page, then shouldn't we at least mention what chapped lips here too? I would really like a source which makes things clear, but I found none, hence the request for comments. Lesion (talk) 13:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

text: It might also be worth mentioning that a regular google search often yields results which confuse exfoliative cheilitis with chapped lips, or treat them as part of the same spectrum, but these are definately not MEDRS, they are link farms, health forums, etc etc. Lesion (talk) 13:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that, not heard that term before. Do seem to get better results from google book search. Here is another textbook which says "Cheilitis simplex (Chapped lips)"  whilst here is another which states "Cheilitis simplex, synonym: cheilitis".  Can't escape the feeling that the clinical descriptions of cheilitis simplex are identical to exfoliative cheilitis too. Total lack of standardization in terminology strikes again? Lesion (talk) 16:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Chapped lips]] 

message: The types (as reflected in the sections) need some logical order; either by how common they are, or alpha.--Epeefleche (talk) 15:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: They are vaguely in order of most common to least common currently, or at least a grouped all the more common ones first, but in no particular order with regards each other, if that makes sense. Chapped lips should definitely be first, as is current imo. Lesion (talk) 15:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I noted that the second category is "uncommon."  But a number of categories below is one which states "Chronic eczematous reactions account for the majority of chronic cheilitis cases".  The two suggested to me that they may not be in order of which is most common.  Thoughts?--Epeefleche (talk) 15:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to adjust according to what the sources are saying. In general, it is probably more common to have an acute inflammation of the lips compared to chronic. As I said the current arrangement is only vaguely in order of common to rare. Lesion (talk) 16:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

text: What we really need is a source which explicitly states the order for us, but I have yet to find one. Lesion (talk) 17:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood.  I'm happy to defer to you any order that follows any logic.  I just could not divine any logic in the current order, and given the above (with the second category being deemed "uncommon") this order seemed haphazard.  Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:48, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of sections

message: Using talk page to avoid edit conflicts. The image of plasma cell gingivitis is not relevant here imo... this article is about lips, not gums... we don't have any pic of plasma cell cheilitis, presumably because it is so rare. Lesion 18:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. Agreed.--Epeefleche (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW -- I think the second image is a bit duplicative of a later image -- do you think we could do without it?  Tx.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean the second image is the same as the third? If so, then maybe the second should go as the third is a close up and better quality... Lesion 08:17, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes -- seeking to reflect the same thing (chapped lips).  I agree.  Tx. Wish we had some more images on commons of some of the other categories. --Epeefleche (talk) 08:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is an image that grabs you (the first one?), feel free to move it into the infobox.  It has a slot for an image.  Tx. --Epeefleche (talk) 08:28, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

text: I have no preference for any of the imgs. Cheilitis is a general term and they all show it. If you want a lead image please feel free. Regards, Lesion 20:29, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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