Talk:Bescot Stadium

message: I am concerned that the name of this article represents a pov-pushing by members of WikiProject_Football.  The name of the stadium is Banks's Stadium; but members of the project say they will not allow articles about stadiums to be named after the stadium's current name if this name is because of a sponsorship deal.  They appear to take the view that fans shouldn't be forced to call a stadium the name the club and its sponsors give it.  I feel this is pov-pushing because regardless of what the fans may think, want or say; they do not name stadiums.  Stadium owners name stadiums.  The situation has been discussed at the WikiProject Football talk page but the arguments put forward are inconsistent - for example, if the Emirates Stadium changes name, they say the Emirates Stadium article should also change name because it has always been named by a sponsor, and does not have a "traditional name".  But because the Banks's Stadium was once known as Bescot Stadium, and because Bescot Stadium isn't a sponsor's name, then the Wikipedia article should not change name.  This is an inconsistent approach and is evidently borne out of a dislike for sponsors.  Wikipedia should be factual and verifiable.  The verifiable fact is that this stadium is not called the Bescot Stadium; it is called the Banks's Stadium and that is what this article should be called.  B1atv 17:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but it is a shocking fallacy to call it a POV pushing issue. This is a WP:COMMONNAME issue. Google is not a great source, but it puts Bescot Stadium 50 times more popular than Banks's Stadium. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't a popularity contest.  Google WILL have more hits for Bescot Stadium because it includes all those pages which were written during the time when the stadium was the Bescot Stadium.  I'm beginning to lose my rag with this round-a-bout circular debate because you aren't giving any reasons for your insistence, other than quoting general policies.  I can quote the same WP:COMMONNAME policy to insist the name should be Banks's Stadium.  Banks's Stadium is the common name - it is the real name, the factual name, the verifiable name, the only name.  There is NO Bescot Stadium.  At this moment in time there is no such place.  It doesn't exist.  It is the Banks's Stadium. That is its name.  B1atv 18:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "You aren't giving any reasons for your insistence, other than quoting general policies". If policies aren't a reason for action, what is? The policy is straightforward: Use the most common name of a person or thing. "most common" is not the same as actual/official, hence Tony Blair instead of Anthony Blair, Burma instead of Myanmar. Banks's Stadium is very clearly not the common name, because that is not what the majority of people know it by. пﮟოьεԻ 57 18:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I would definitely be in favour of leaving this one as Bescot Stadium. I do not support moving of articles, be they stadia, leagues, or whatever, to sponsored titles which are essentially transient. - fchd 19:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Number 57 and fchd- the article should stay as the original name Bescot Stadium. Bescot Stadium is the most commonly used name, certainly by fans and probably by the media too. For my part I wasn't even aware of the sponsorship deal and fchd is spot on to point out that such deals are transient. As long as Banks's Stadium redirects here there is no need to move the article. Simon KHFC 20:07, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
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