Talk:List of Stargate SG-1 episodes/Archive 1

message: I think I'm going to be bold and remove most of the links on this page.  All the links except for "Wormhole X-Treme!" don't actually point to pages about the episodes listed.  Instead, they point to articles about the world or phrase after which the episode is named.  I think that's unnecessary (or even duplicitous), nor does it conform to the linking formula for other episode lists (e.g. List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes).  If anyone objects please let me know why here.
Acegikmo1 20:04, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be better to make them links to possible episode pages, which is in line with similar pages.--John Lynch 13:51, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added the links back because I've generated a bunch of templated episode pages that I'll insert over time. So far only Wormhole X-Treme! and Spirits_(Stargate_SG-1) have been updated because they already existed. -- Journeyman 06:16, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: I have some articles for a few episodes that I am preparing to add once I get them reformatted, similar to what I added to Absolute Power .  The episode titles are listed on my user page. Any comments would be welcome. KorbenDirewolf 22:43, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'm resubmitting for FAC, see if we get anywhere now we've addressed most of the issues as best we can. -- Alfakim --  talk  08:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New FAC

message: Considering the long list format and seeing how other TV shows have gone about creating the lists I was wondering if converting the information from a list to a table with more information on would be more useful. i.e. The List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes uses a table which would perhaps be more efficient. Any ideas on this thought and if I were to change it should I change the way Stargate Atlantis episodes and Stargate Infinity episodes are listed as well.
:I take it this was said before it was done. I'm going to table-ify the whole list now.--alfakim 15:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List Formatting 

message: The Screenshot for the episode 2001 is from 2010. Philip Stevens 10:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2001 Screenshot 

message: Hi I just noticed that on many of the summaries there is plagaurism from gateworld.  Who is wrtiing these summaries?  Tobyk777 03:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the people from gateworld...... you just said it. as for who's coping them and transfering them, different people. i do it sometimes, just to give a basic outline until it can be rewritten. Xornok 03:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It shouldn't really be a problem since the Gateworld site has been linked on both Stargate wiki and Satrgate SG-1 wiki. 12:52, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy vio from gateworld

message: it seems we may not get a featured list unless we explicitly tag every image used on this page as fair use (done), and provide an explicit rationale. So please help out by going to each image and adding this code:
==Rationale for fair use in List of Stargate SG-1 episodes==

This picture is being used in Wikipedia's episode listing for the television show
Stargate SG-1 (MGM). Although it is subject to copyright, the
editors
of Wikipedia, among them myself (~~~) in particular, feel that it is covered by US
fair use laws because:
* It is a low resolution still image;
* It does not limit the copyright owner's rights to sell the related product in any way
Further, we believe our use of the image is fair because it is not being used merely to
decorate the related article, but rather:
* Aids commentary on the plot outline;
* Poignantly illustrates the related episode
Particularly because:
* It illustrates a significant or unique moment in the episode
NOTE: change the last line as appropriate. To avoid being accused of blanket-fair-use, it's probably necessary to say individually for each image why we want to use it. So in each image's case, replace the last line with something that describes how the image is illustrative. For instance, an image of Daniel Jackson for the episode "Children of the Gods" might have this as the last line:
* It illustrates the significant moment when the viewer, and the main characters, first meet with the character Daniel Jackson again.
-- Alfakim --  talk  15:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fair use for images 

message: What was wrong with the template? It looks fine. --Will2k 14:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Granted the template is most useful for new lists, it can be useful for already established lists. For example, it makes future formatting much easier. Also, I didn't see any weird table renderings myself, ether. This is a featured list, though, so I can understand reluctancy to adopt some new template. I'm curious to the errors Alfakim experienced. -- Ned Scott 14:59, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the template is most suitable for featured lists to prove that it can work.--Will2k 16:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Column headers became disaligned, broke into two lines (e.g. "Episode number" as "Episodenumber" despite a large cell) -- don't know why. The template either introduces a new row, or else an extra thick line, beneath each cell, which looks really ugly. Cells all misproportioned. Also, the template introduces a more complex code than the original table markup. Although the advantage of a template is that format style can be changed easily later, we don't ever WANT to change the format style of this article. It's perfectly fine. -- Alfakim --  talk  17:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The coloured rows are part of the agreed upon structure. If you find that line ugly, you should voice an opinion at the project page. However, nearly all episode lists contain such a line.--Will2k 19:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: A head's up that a weeks-long discussion has been going on at Talk:List_of_Lost_episodes/Use_of_images about the inclusion of screen captured images, such as those used in this list article. The position by some admins appears to be that they are a violation of Copyright and do not fall under Fair Use. Consequently, the images were deleted from the Lost episode list, and likewise will probably be removed from this one-- unless opinion on the use of such images changes. --LeflymanTalk 20:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of images in Lists of episodes 

message: Currently WikiProject List of Television Episodes is looking for more participants and input for the project.  If anyone is interested in giving their input please drop by the project page or the talk page.As a featured list, List of Stargate SG-1 episodes already provides inspiration to other lists of episodes articles, and anything you guys have to share would be greatly appreciated. -- Ned Scott 07:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This list is one of the best, if not the very best list on all of WP, however it was mainly made by members of wikiproject Stargate, not the list of TV episodes project.  Perhaps the stargate project could give tips to the TV episodes project on how they got it so good.  Also, I propose that the two projects corodiate on List of Stargate Atlantis episodes.  Tobyk777 08:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More specificaly, the Stargate project members want to make a second FL.  On the Talk page for wikiproject stargate the two projects should discuss how to do this, and then work toghther to make the changes.  The list is already almost there, we just need to make a few more improvements.  Tobyk777 08:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent, I look forward to the valuable input of WikiProject Stargate! -- Ned Scott 21:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking for more participants for WikiProject List of Television Episodes 

message: In order to resolve the long standing debate over fair use of screenshots on List of Lost episodes, I am now trying to resolve the issue under the belief that the issue is an opinionated matter and not a matter of policy. Talk:List of Lost episodes#Fair use criteria number 8.  I ask that people share their comments, but please try to keep the conversation in this section focused.
One thing that works against us is that the conversation tries to defend too many points at once. Try not to respond to comments about other aspects of the debate, and just take this one step at a time. Basically, respond if you think this is an opinionated matter regarding policy point 8 of WP:FUC or not.
I believe if we can break through on the issue of point 8, the rest will fall into place. -- Ned Scott 08:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots as fair use 

message: Id say half of them give away the ending and half dont.  I personally like to ones that dont as they sound better but what do yall think? American Patriot 1776 07:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the complete (i.e. spoilerish) synopses per the reason given in the style guide above. EEMeltonIV 03:27, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descriptions 

message: When do the season 10 episodes start broadcasting in the UK? and wouldn't it be useful to include the British broadcast date as well as the Americian one?? --Mollsmolyneux 13:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Britian

message: ===Discussion===
I want to express my opinion that I do not think that the screenshots should be named after the episode title. That makes it difficult to track them. I would rather suggest to keep the naming as it has been done since season 9, naming the screenshots  "sg1-sXXeYY-0.jpg" where XX is the season and YY is the episode number. This way multiple shots for one episode can be numbered simply by changing the "-0" to "-1" "-2" etc. and you easily find them again. It also helps if an episode has multiple names (like alternate spelling on air and on DVD). What do you think? --SoWhy Talk 12:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agree.--Alfakim-- talk 00:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That is indeed a better idea. -- Ned Scott 08:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good standard. Do we have other Stargate standards - perhaps we should create a Manual of Style for Stargate ;-p  Morphh 13:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool idea, lets go for it No Way Back 13:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of standards subpages, but no singular manual of style. For instance, the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Episode style sheet. --Alfakim-- talk 14:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Disagree. A specific naming allows to have a scheme for naming the episodes in a way that you can find a screenshot without knowing it's name just with season and episode number. If you disagree, vote against the proposal below. --SoWhy Talk 10:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: m:voting is evil; Also it is not upto you to decide the filename it is the uploaders choice. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 09:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Says whom? Is there a policy disallowing specific naming systems? --SoWhy Talk 09:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is also something that I'd like to push for WikiProject List of Television Episodes.  It's already listed as a recommendation via the template instructions, but I haven't gotten around to proposing it yet for the over-all guidelines, since they need their own updating and tweaking right now. -- Ned Scott 09:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Theres no naming convention exactly, thus why you can not go on a crusade on how YOU would like to name things. The uploader chooses the uploaded name. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 09:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My questions is still remaining: Which rule states that it is illegal for the majority to create specific naming conventions? --SoWhy Talk 18:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said it was illegal, i said its not upto you how the uploader names a file. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 18:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: To seperate discussion from voting to reach a consensus, I decided to split it into Discussion and Vote. If you want to say anything, please use the Discussion part. In the Vote part, just add your name (~~~) in the corresponding section. That way we can easily overview pros and cons (Yeah, I'm complicated^^). I took the liberty of adding those who supported it in discussion. --SoWhy Talk 17:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: I want to express my opinion that I do not think that the screenshots should be named after the episode title. That makes it difficult to track them. I would rather suggest to keep the naming as it has been done since season 9, naming the screenshots  "sg1-sXXeYY-0.jpg" where XX is the season and YY is the episode number. This way multiple shots for one episode can be numbered simply by changing the "-0" to "-1" "-2" etc. and you easily find them again. It also helps if an episode has multiple names (like alternate spelling on air and on DVD). What do you think? --SoWhy Talk 12:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agree.--Alfakim-- talk 00:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That is indeed a better idea. -- Ned Scott 08:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a good standard. Do we have other Stargate standards - perhaps we should create a Manual of Style for Stargate ;-p  Morphh 13:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool idea, lets go for it No Way Back 13:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of standards subpages, but no singular manual of style. For instance, the Wikipedia:WikiProject Stargate/Episode style sheet. --Alfakim-- talk 14:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Disagree. A specific naming allows to have a scheme for naming the episodes in a way that you can find a screenshot without knowing it's name just with season and episode number. If you disagree, vote against the proposal below. --SoWhy Talk 10:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: m:voting is evil; Also it is not upto you to decide the filename it is the uploaders choice. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 09:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Says whom? Is there a policy disallowing specific naming systems? --SoWhy Talk 09:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is also something that I'd like to push for WikiProject List of Television Episodes.  It's already listed as a recommendation via the template instructions, but I haven't gotten around to proposing it yet for the over-all guidelines, since they need their own updating and tweaking right now. -- Ned Scott 09:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Theres no naming convention exactly, thus why you can not go on a crusade on how YOU would like to name things. The uploader chooses the uploaded name. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 09:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My questions is still remaining: Which rule states that it is illegal for the majority to create specific naming conventions? --SoWhy Talk 18:10, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said it was illegal, i said its not upto you how the uploader names a file. Matthew Fenton (contribs) 18:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Name episode screenshots as described above?
Pro
#SoWhy Talk
#Alfakim-- talk
#Ned Scott 04:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote

message: I posted a link to this discussion on the Project's Discussion page. I'd say we discuss and vote for or against my suggestion for 7 days (until Wednesday (02/08/2006)) and then use the consensus. This should allow enough time for everyone to express their opinion. Anyone against this way of doing it? --SoWhy Talk 17:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To seperate discussion from voting to reach a consensus, I decided to split it into Discussion and Vote. If you want to say anything, please use the Discussion part. In the Vote part, just add your name (~~~) in the corresponding section. That way we can easily overview pros and cons (Yeah, I'm complicated^^). I took the liberty of adding those who supported it in discussion. --SoWhy Talk 17:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: I'm wondering if maybe the list is getting to big?  Right now its at 82k which is way past the recomended 32k.  I'm thinking it might be time to do something along the lines of the List of The Simpsons episodes to make it a bit more managable and reader friendly.  At eighteen seasons long the main list article over their is 63k and much easier for the reader to look through. Thoughts? --Argash 10:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SIZE is oudated. -- Ned Scott 11:03, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont think we need to worry about the size of the article yet. Matthew Fenton (Talk | Contribs) 11:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be growing too much in the future either. The movies will barely be as big as a whole season. Let's keep them all in one place better. byeee 16:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, no sense in changing it now that the show has ended Rayman3005 16:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To big? 

message: *The title refers to the nature of the Goa'uld, evil parasites hidden within otherwise human-looking hosts. It also refers to the fact Kawalsky become an enemy within the SGC itself. 
*At one point during a conversation between Teal'c and O'Neil, Teal'c's symbol on his forehead is noticeably upside down. 
*In a scene where Kawalsky slams Carter against the back of an elevator, actress Amanda Tapping sustained a real concussion. 
::Those two things needs cites. They need a citation that links to the specific article that says that. The first one could go either way, I don't watch the show, but it usually isn't customary to explain titles of shows in the episode itself. That seems like something deduced which would need a cite. It isn't a visual thing like the second one where it's obvious. The second one definitely needs a citation, because otherwise it's hearsay. Citations go next to what they refer to. I know you've seen plenty of Reference sections of articles, and the main List page has tons of citations in the first paragraph. That was just one episode (one that also has an overly long plot). Bignole 13:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you don't watch the show, then do not judge the episode pages. It may not be customary to explain the title, but for people like you that do not watch the show and want to look up information on it, then it is critical. Rayman3005 16:21, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes