Talk:Lucretius

message: He claims that Lucretius was driven mad by a love-philtre and that the work was written during the intervals of his insanity, before he killed himself. 
Philtre links to some band, which I'm guessing is not the meaning used here. Perhaps the meaning of the word should be explained? --Arbiter125
* Good eye!  I changed it for you.  --Rednblu 16:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Philtre

message: Titus Lucretius Carus (c. 99 - 55 BC) was a Roman poet and philosopher, whose contribution was to free men's minds of superstition and fear of death. 
That sounds like he actually did it too. And impossible task. 
-FredrikM
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* What do you propose as an improvement and replacement sentence?  What have scholars said about Lucretius in regard to "freeing men's minds of superstition and fear of death"?  What did Lucretius say about "freeing men's minds of superstition and fear of death."  ---Rednblu 21:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Did Lucretius actually free men's minds of superstition?

message: : Although the poem De Rerum Natura is Epicurean in nature, the really interesting question to think on is whether Lucretius himself was indeed and Epicurean.  This question presents a problem only intended for philosophical thinkers due to the nature of it.  And when I speak of the nature of this problem, it is only to point out the complexity of dealing with ancient authors and their respective writings.
I cut the above editorial comment here for discussion.  Is there a published scholar who says this?  We would need a citation, please.  ---Rednblu | Talk 23:37, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment cut to here for discussion

message: The poet/philosopher Lucretius is the most famous member of the ancient clan of Lucratii. Shouldn't there be a disambiguation page for other Lucratii? There is also a Lucius Lucratius and a Gnaeus Lucratius.
220.15.200.33 02:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. In addition to Titus Lucretius Carus there are Gnaeus Lucretius Trio and Lucius Lucretius Trio as you have said. Also Sp. Lucretius Triciptinus, T. Lucretius T. p. Triciptinus, a Lucretius (Triciptinus), L. Lucretius T. f. T. n. Triciptinus, Hostus Lucretius L. f. T. n. Triciptinus, P. Lucretius Hosti f. Triciptinus, L. Lucretius Flavus Triciptinus, Lucretius Vespillo, two by the name of Q. Lucretius Vespillo and of course the famous Lucretia. Most of these can be dealt with as a short note on a disambig. page, but not all. Whogue 09:25, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Please, "the gens Lucretia", not "the clan". Rome was not in Scotland. --Sk (talk) 09:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation needed?

message: With all due respect, the points mentioned below are all of minor import. The first thing that is needed to make this article work, is organization and structure. First of all the text should be divided into chapters. I propose the following chapters:
* Introduction
* Life
* Work
* Philosophy
* Poetry
The second thing would be to divide the existing text over the above headings.
I urgently invite others to contribute their views, for I can't do it alone. Fabullus 20:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice ideas.  I suggest we would select a model Wikipedia page--just for comparison.  What is the best Wikipedia page on a philosopher, poet, or poet-philosopher to serve as a model for this page?  What is next do you think?  Might we move this discussion to the bottom of this page so that the time sequence on this page is preserved?  --Just an idea. --Rednblu 06:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you! (I have followed your suggestion to move the discussion). Lucretius' case is pretty unique - in a number of ways: he is about the only poet-philosopher who needs to be discussed both as a poet and a philosopher, and he is also about the only poet-philosopher whose complete work survives, and yet we know next to nothing about the man. I am afraid there is no page that can serve as a model all the way. I have noticed, however, that the corresponding German, Dutch, French and Italian articles are much better by way of organization (even though I disagree with some of their factual content). How do you think we could attract other people's interest to this discussion? Fabullus 08:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you did the right thing.  You looked for editors that had showed an interest in this page.  A lot of people have this page on their WatchList.  So if you start making improvements, they will watch over what we do here--even if they only correct our typos.  What should be done first?  --Rednblu 19:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me.  Too bad we don't have more details of this man's life!  Wouldn't you like to know how he kept himself writing day after day in such a hostile environment?  --Rednblu 20:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I would, but I am very skeptical about all but the most general claims made about his life on the basis of either Jerome's testimony (see also the discussion above) or passages in his own work, which have led some to believe he was a Celtic freedman and others that the was a Campanian farmer. As soon as I find some time I will try to rewrite the section on his life in a more conservative vein. Fabullus 16:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  What balance of sources do you think you will use?  --Rednblu 20:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  See for yourself. I have revised the section on Lucretius' life as far as the years of his birth and death are concerned. --Fabullus 09:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: It is nice to have a picture of someone we know so little about! Does anyone know where the picture comes from? --Fabullus 17:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is interesting, as is, of course, the philosopher himself and his work. Practically the same engraving (though photographed under what is apparently different lighting) is listed in Britannica on-line  and subtitled "engraving of a bust" (which might easily compete for the most unhelpful caption ever).. Porfyrios 18:46, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: HEY EDITORS---INCLUDING ROBOTS!!!! IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN GET SOME SOUND BYTES ON HERE SAYING SOME LUCRETIUS OUT LOUD?!?!
--152.1.72.156 (talk) 03:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (cut from the article and pasted here by Fabullus (talk) 13:09, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound bytes? 

message: Suetonius's Life of Vergil  is known via the writings of Donatus, who included it in his own Life of Vergil.
:So, what we have is Donatus's Life of Virgil, and the extent to which this derives from Suetonius's now lost Life of Virgil is a matter of speculation, well worth exploring, but not in an article on Lucretius. I propose, therefore, henceforth to refer to the text as 'Donatus's Life of Virgil.' --Fabullus (talk) 13:38, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that sounds reasonable. I'm sure we can effect a reading which everybody can agree on. If scholarly opinion broadly accepts that Donatus Life is derived from Suetonius, then there is probably no harm in mentioning this. There is some value in knowing that Suetonius is the probable source for the comments. Singinglemon (talk) 17:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A good job, as always! --Fabullus (talk) 19:01, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life of Vergil 

message: I have a problem with the wording of the 'Textual Transmission' section. First of all there is no evidence of 'hostility' from the 'Catholic Church' toward Lucretius or his poem. In fact, had there been hostility toward the poem then the poem would most likely have been burned, as the poems of Sapho. The fact  that the poem survives shows that we owe a great debt to the Christians who preserved the manuscript, and not the modern readers. There is a great explication of the textual transmission in the introduction of the W.E. Leonard, S.B. Smith edition of the Latin text of De Rerum Natura. I do not have time this moment to rewrite the section, but I propose it be deleted until the author can provide citations. 63.230.81.246 (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Textual Transmission 

message: The textual survival of the poem is remarkable considering the hostility of the Catholic Church (the main transmission channel for Latin writings) towards Lucretius and Epicurean ideas. The surviving manuscript tradition (accounts will be found in the references given below) is often mangled, with numerous, significant lacunae. A great debt is owed by modern readers to the ingenious work of generations of scholars to produce a faithful, coherent, and readable text.
63.230.81.246 (talk) 17:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Transmission of the text

message: Are there any (lost) works referenced by the ancient commentators, apart from "The Nature of Things"?  Is he known to have produced anything else? --Michael C. Price talk 09:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, as far as we know, "The Nature of Things" was his sole work. --Fabullus (talk) 06:17, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Lost Works?

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thread_title:  Influences need reliable substantiation 

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message: Removed text: The use of inane is often overlooked, but it contributes depths to the work that reach far beyond not only De Rerum Natura, but into the rest of Roman philosophy as well. - it has makes no reference to anything else in the page, it doesn't look like a quote, it has no source. Perhaps the anonymous contributor could reconsider how best to state his case. JohnHarris (talk) 18:38, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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