Talk:Blas de Lezo

message: I have just made a quick edition to polish content, particularly from the introduction. I have eliminated most of the text referring to de Lezo's nickname. His injuries are quite an unusual aspect of this man's life so they deserve a mention. However, the fact that there is "no historical evidence" of whether he was called "mediohombre", "mi almirante" or simply "Blasito" as he walked the streets of Cartagena is rather unimportant.
I have also added a paragraph that summarises the current debate about the historical figure, which ties in with the section on "Lezomania" and goes some way towards addressing POV issues. I have reorganised the pictures to reflect this, and to put them closer to where they may be relevant.
The next step would be for someone with more expert knowledge to have a hard look at the actual biography. If nothing happens, I will heavily edit the text and remove most of the text under the Battle of Cartagena section, given that it is repeated from other articles and generally poorly written and referenced. Then, I think, we'll be able to remove the notice on neutrality, even if the article's quality is somewhat poor and would still need in-text citations. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the book materials.
MiG-25 (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing POV and structure issues, future editing of biography and removal of most of "Battle of Cartagena" content 

message: Blas de Lezo y Olavarrieta, acquaintance as "Patapalo" (legstick), or later as "Mediohombre" (Halfman) for many wounds suffered along his military life (Pasajes, Guipuzcoa, 1687 - Cartagena de de Indias, on September 7, 1741, Spanish admiral), he was one of the best strategists of the history of the Spanish Navy.
:All of the articles that I have referenced give his birth year as 1689, except for one 1688.  The histories of his home town show February 3, 1689 as his bithdate.  Bejnar 19:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: miscellaneous

message: Blas de lezo died from disease. This should be mentioned in the article. Refer to the Spanish encyclopedia article for Blas de Lezo:
:El héroe falleció en dicha ciudad al contraer la peste, enfermedad generada en la ciudad por los cuerpos insepultos ocasionados por los sucesivos combates.
This can be roughly translated as "The hero perished in said city upon contracting the plague, a sickness brought to the city by the unburied corpses a result of the quick succession of combat."
The English article for him should be corrected. It claims "Blas de Lezo was mortally wounded in the siege of Cartagena, the defense of which was his greatest victory."
--208.102.210.163 (talk) 04:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PeterSymonds (talk) 16:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blas de Lezo's death 

message: It seems this vessel belonged to the East India Company rather than to the Royal Navy. No "Stanhope" appears on the list of British or English ships of the line, and no "Stanhope" took part in the naval battles in the 1690s & 1700s. "http://www.todoababor.es/articulos/bio_lezo.htm"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.142.175.22 (talk) 09:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Stanhope" 

message: Is there a problem with having an infobox?  If so, please let us know, rather than just deleting it. --Bejnar (talk) 04:53, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: Recent, June/July 2015, edits, by IP editor 83.36.74.116 and others, have introduced a great deal of language that is not NPOV. Such language includes adding "treacherously" to the phrase The incident was considered alongside various other cases of "Spanish Depredations upon British Subjects" and Vernon has send conmemorative coins of his victory, and was another shame for him. Not to mention poor English usage. --Bejnar (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I was the only one who think spanish monarchy-battles-achievements' pages were full of "heoric fiction and ultra-patriotic nonsense". I'm glad to know I am not alone. --178.60.0.47 (talk) 19:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV edits 

message: Here, a British research vessel was suggested to be named "RRS Blas de Lezo" (in an public poll), but that name proposal was deleted. Should this be mentioned somewhere around here? --Divof (talk) 09:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested name "RRS Blas de Lezo" 

message: By Manuel Gracia Rivas, Maritime Museum, San Sebastian. In short: most of Lezo's biography is open to doubt and most of his biographers are copy-pasting dubious deeds without corroborating primary sources._ "http://untzimuseoa.eus/images/itsas_memoria_07/28_manuelgracia_rivas.pdf"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.47.97.15 (talk) 12:23, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  A well-balanced Essay in Spanish 

message: Please note that in traditional Spanish usage if a surname has 'de' in front this is not to be used if citing the surname alone: thus 'Miguel de Cervantes' or 'Blas de Lezo' but 'Cervantes' and 'Lezo', not 'de Cervantes' or 'de Lezo'. Despite the Spanish press in recent years having a tendency to not respect this custom, it is the worst sort of journalese. My name is 'Miguel de Avendaño' or 'Avendaño', not 'de Avendaño'. The absurd was reached when the Spanish football coach Vicente del Bosque ('del bosque' means 'of the woods or forest') was given the title 'Marqués de del Bosque' (ie, 'Marquis of of the Woods'). This is totally absurd. 'De' in Spanish has no connotations of nobility and was generally dispensed with from the 19th century onwards, although some people quite rightly insist on preserving the original forms of their names. MA (talk) 10:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish surnames