MediaWiki talk:Blockedtext

message: Template:Blockvars has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page.
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thread_title:  Nomination for deletion of [[Template:Blockvars]] 

message: === Requested move 25 April 2024 ===
:The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved It looks to me like the old message names are no longer referenced by the code, but they're being slow at removing them for some reason. I tested on a local MediaWiki instance and the new message names were displayed. Also updated the parameters to match the new order. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The prior version doesn't seem to point there, and it is not applicable to all global blocks. Can you point to where this was in place? Block reasons should still come across when applicable. — xaosflux Talk 15:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The original messages was this: 
It had a link to :m:NOP but the new one doesn't. Also had a few more detailed instructions about appealing a block. 167.205.22.106 (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The original default message doesn't have that (see here). Can you link to a specific prior version you are referring to? — xaosflux Talk 15:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh it's this one. MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake and MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake-email-steward. So it's basically a part of the message but the text is on a separate template. This is what I'm referring to. This is what the original text had. It's part of the message. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: this isn't making any sense. Make a sandbox by first mirroring an existing message, then make the changes you are proposing. Then if you are saying this "was" somewhere, provide the permalink to the version you are referring to. Next, provide a test case for when your proposed change will be used. After all of that, reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux Talk 17:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Template:Blocked text/testcases. It's on the third and second-to-last entries, respectively. I've added more details to the entry so that it has more specific details about how to appeal a global block, instead of just appealing to SRG, and now the fact that SRG is locked makes it hard to appeal to SRG. 167.205.23.115 (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: OK so now you want a different page changed, is this what you are trying to have done? — xaosflux Talk 16:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: THIS is what I'm talking about. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 00:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, well in that case: . We promote sandbox edits to production, not test cases to production. — xaosflux Talk 01:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Can you point to where this changed, and this is an attempt to restore something here? This entire discussion is going in circles. Also, MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake isn't a very good message here and may confuses users - as there are plenty of global blocks that don't have anything to do with proxies (which are almost always blocked locally here and could not be dealt with upstream anyway). That is sort of unique here at enwiki, where proxies are aggressively blocked locally and would require a local IPBE to get around. — xaosflux Talk 18:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is something that broke, please point to the breaking diff so we can look in to what is going on and if there are other things broken. If someone just wants to improve some local message to talk about how to handle proxy blocks here on the English Wikipedia, the guidance at Wikipedia:Open proxies would be immensely better to our users. — xaosflux Talk 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Ah ok, well go for it then. Ideally these users will be seeing multiple block messages (and yup that is broken in places too, esp on mobile) - with the local block telling them to deal with proxy blocks here. — xaosflux Talk 15:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit requests

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Moved It looks to me like the old message names are no longer referenced by the code, but they're being slow at removing them for some reason. I tested on a local MediaWiki instance and the new message names were displayed. Also updated the parameters to match the new order. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:31, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 April 2024 

message: Another edit request. After the change I realized that the link to m:NOP is gone. Can you add it again? 167.205.22.106 (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The prior version doesn't seem to point there, and it is not applicable to all global blocks. Can you point to where this was in place? Block reasons should still come across when applicable. — xaosflux Talk 15:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The original messages was this: 
It had a link to :m:NOP but the new one doesn't. Also had a few more detailed instructions about appealing a block. 167.205.22.106 (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: The original default message doesn't have that (see here). Can you link to a specific prior version you are referring to? — xaosflux Talk 15:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh it's this one. MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake and MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake-email-steward. So it's basically a part of the message but the text is on a separate template. This is what I'm referring to. This is what the original text had. It's part of the message. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 16:09, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

text: this isn't making any sense. Make a sandbox by first mirroring an existing message, then make the changes you are proposing. Then if you are saying this "was" somewhere, provide the permalink to the version you are referring to. Next, provide a test case for when your proposed change will be used. After all of that, reactivate the edit request. — xaosflux Talk 17:40, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Template:Blocked text/testcases. It's on the third and second-to-last entries, respectively. I've added more details to the entry so that it has more specific details about how to appeal a global block, instead of just appealing to SRG, and now the fact that SRG is locked makes it hard to appeal to SRG. 167.205.23.115 (talk) 15:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: OK so now you want a different page changed, is this what you are trying to have done? — xaosflux Talk 16:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: THIS is what I'm talking about. 167.205.23.116 (talk) 00:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, well in that case: . We promote sandbox edits to production, not test cases to production. — xaosflux Talk 01:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Can you point to where this changed, and this is an attempt to restore something here? This entire discussion is going in circles. Also, MediaWiki:Wikimedia-globalblocking-blockedtext-mistake isn't a very good message here and may confuses users - as there are plenty of global blocks that don't have anything to do with proxies (which are almost always blocked locally here and could not be dealt with upstream anyway). That is sort of unique here at enwiki, where proxies are aggressively blocked locally and would require a local IPBE to get around. — xaosflux Talk 18:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is something that broke, please point to the breaking diff so we can look in to what is going on and if there are other things broken. If someone just wants to improve some local message to talk about how to handle proxy blocks here on the English Wikipedia, the guidance at Wikipedia:Open proxies would be immensely better to our users. — xaosflux Talk 12:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Ah ok, well go for it then. Ideally these users will be seeing multiple block messages (and yup that is broken in places too, esp on mobile) - with the local block telling them to deal with proxy blocks here. — xaosflux Talk 15:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request May 2024