Talk:Issedones

message: Another location of the land of the Issedones can be inferred as between the Arimaspi (Huns 'at the foot of the Carpathian Mountains) and the Scythians (Ukraine, probably) according to ancient writers.Guss2 21:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's insert direct quotes of Ptolemy, Herodotus and Strabo, right in the article, with notes on their locations in the texts. Then let's re-edit the article, building outwards from the sources. The unwarranted identification of the Arimaspi with Huns is doubtless part of a local ideology. --Wetman 20:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reaction. You are right! What about the next chapterGuss2 21:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Location

message: Have nobody here ever heard of Finno Ugrian iki-vanha muinainen tapa (ever eternal ancient habit) to carry their deaths to kalmisto (place of deaths) where they were left to let the nature to finish the job and the corpse from where spirit had left to return part of the nature again. Red heared ( highest per centage of red heared people of the total population Finno Ugrian Ud-Murtts) or blond people ( highest per centage of the total population Finns and Eestis), riding with their horses, housing pigs, hunting and fishing. 
Massagetae are Onugr (Hungarian) tribes with thier Tibetan shepard dogs, which even exist today in Phennonia plains. Phennos (Finnis) had (and still have) the horses nearest to Mongolian horses. They have also getetical sister of Kaananin shepard dog which is called Karjalan Karhukoira (Karelian shepard dog). Do not exist nowhere else than under name Palstiinan Paimenkoira kept by Paleastinians ans Israelians in the land of Palestina. The two dogs both Tibetan Shepard Dog and Karelian Bear Dogs are the only ones who even attack bear (and of course wolfs) to protect their herds. Karelian bear dog is mainly trained to karhun ajo (bear hunt) and is not afraid of bears. 
In Scythians something is wrong. The nomandic Scythians did not live in pernament wooden houses as Finno Ugrians did. Scythians seems to be a common name to all (kansat) people which arrived from Altai, Tarim and Gobi area to European plain called Oruss by the Huns and Mongolians. It is known that only Finno Ugrians and Turanians kylpeä (take a bath) in saunas using hot steam to take off the (hiki) sweat out of their bodies. An ancient habit. Some Scythian names can be transliterated even to today through Finno Ugrian and Türkic languages, but not through Indo - European languages. Strange isn´t it? These people are always deleted by Indo - Europeans. Read also eutanastia of Siberian tribes to help the elder out of this life to next one by his eldest son when the elder himself ask it.. Finno Ugrian ancient habit. The shared woman is nothing new. The Kirgiz offered his wife to the vistor to help the visitor get red of his mankind pressure.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.95.64 (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Issedonians and Massagetae are Finno Ugrians

message: The identification with the Wusun is entirely hypothetical and not really based on much. Thus the map indicating the Wusun has no place here.--Joostik (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wusun