Talk:Emiliano Zapata

message: I don´t think it is necessary or fortuitous to mention the mixed blood of Emiliano Zapata in relation to his being indigenous or not. Racial heritage is not generally well seen as an indicator of membership of indigenous groups ouside of the US. However Zapata did speak an indigenous language, namely nahuatl (reported by indigenous eye and earwitnesses from Milpa Alta in Fernando Horcasitas book about memories of the revolution from Mila Alta)  and was considered an elder in the indigenous community of Anenecuilco which gave into his charge precolumbian manuscripts. Womack says that he was unable to read these manuscripts, which is not surprising since zapata was a peasant and neither archeologist nor epigraphist but that he took them to the priest of Tetelcingo to help him translate it. Womack deducts that he didn't know nahuatl but the eywitness accounts as well as the demographics of Anenecuilco in that time period says that he more than likely to have been able to speak nahuatl.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Magnuspharao (talk • contribs) 
 
Unless he had parents of different races he was not mixed race. Unless he had a white parent and a Native American parent he wasn't mestizo. Clearly he was of mostly native american descent, but since he wasn't raised with the culture he's automatically called a "mestizo" here on wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.115.119 (talk) 19:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: he was raised with the culture, he spoke Nahuatl as the sources clearly show.·Maunus· ·ƛ· 21:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe that Nahuatl was the first langauge of anenecuilco around the turn of the century, but I don't know if it was his first or second language, that is true. But another usage of the word "mestizo" is to refer to those who take part in mestizo culture more than in indigenous culture - no matter what their bloodlines are. But most important of all I don't see where in the article Zapata is called mestizo? Which paragraph are you talking about?·Maunus· ·ƛ· 07:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Doña Luz Jimenez specifically say so when she describes the arrival of Zapata in Milpa Alta. I don't have the book with me here so I can't gve the page number, but I've read it many times. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a reprint of the English text in this book where you can read it.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 12:07, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

text: This is original research and I find the claim rather dubious, and in anycase being of Afromexican lineage doesnt change the fact that he lived and grew up in a predominantly indigenous Nahua community which would make him a Nahua (because ethnic membership is based on culture and selfidentification, not on colonial bloodlines). IN anycase the source is not reliable, and cannot be used for this article. The data would have to be cited to a reliable mainstream blog, not and advocacy website.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 19:32, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indigenous is a question of customs and language not of blood 

message: It wasn't for nothing that Zapata's most famous quote was "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees."  (Prefiero morir de pie que vivir de rodillas).  
Does Wikipedia lack an article on the plantations (haciendas) where the indigenous people were forced workers from the Spanish conquests and land grants up until the 1900s?  
Se hace falta un articulo sobre los hacendados, dueños de las haciendas en Mexico y su papel en la historia de Mexico y oprimido de los indiginas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocdnctx (talk • contribs) 14:27, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Se hace falta un articulo sobre los hacendados 

message: Is there a source for why Zapata is included in the :category:Deified people? Posthumously venerated charismatic hero, for sure, but is there evidence for actual deification? Q·L·1968 ☿ 17:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Deification?

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