Talk:Washoe (chimpanzee)

message: More than half of this article is arguments or cases against the shit done on Washoe.  It has little to do with the actual Chimpanzee, and is not a good, unbiased wikipedia article.
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:Washoe's main notability is due to the research done with her, so I doubt this can be separated.  don't think the article is far from NPOV, though it could certainly do with more editing than I have just done. Martinp 04:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Anyone who says that she could not understand language is just kidding themselves.  She did aquire language, not just some 'symbols.'  If you are skeptical, go to a Chimposium at CHCI located at the CWU campus in Ellensburg.  The chimps are not 'trained', but rather have aquired language.  Anyone who actually WORKS with the chimps and talks with them will know this.  It is very irresponsible for someone to post on here (Washoe's bio page) that she did not know ASL.  You can ask any of the chimps at CHCI something using sign language, and you don't get some generic 'trained' response.  The chimps there are extremely intellegent, and can understand ASL and the english language.  If someone says different on here, than they are simply ignorant.
Washoe learned about 300 words or about 5% of American Sign Language.  To say that she learned the English language is a vast over statement.  If chimps really that the capacity to learn the English language the work with chimps would be going on everywhere.  The studies have all but stopped as people realize that chimps simply are not wired to learn ASL to any great extent.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benste15 (talk • contribs) 21:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: This article is one of at least 16 articles on Wikipedia primarily about the fascinating but controversial subject of Great ape language. These articles have been created independently and contain much interesting but uncoordinated information, varying levels of NPOV, and differences in categorization, stubbing, and references. Those of us working on them should explore better coordinating our efforts so as to share the best we have created and avoid unnecessary duplication. I have somewhat arbitrarily put the list of 16 articles on Talk:Great ape language and would encourage us to informally coordinate efforts there. Martinp 18:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple articles on great ape language 

message: Note that someone inserted the following HTML comment into the article:
:"Potential and limitation of other species' use of human languages is likely to come from an integration of the results of all these projects, rather than an essentially historical pursuit of what did or did not happen in Project Washoe."
Also, the article states:
:"Cognitive scientist Steven Pinker believes that the argument that Washoe is the first non-human to acquire a human language is generally considered without scientific support (see Pinker, 1994)."
"Generally considered" by whom? Does this mean Pinker himself believes there's "generally" no scientific basis for the claim or is he merely reporting a "general" lack of support of the claim among scientists? - dcljr (talk) 18:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarifications 

message: Can we get some of Washoe's quotes, like we see in Nim Chimpsky? Badagnani 21:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, a good idea.  I put some in.  Then User:UtherSRG rudely reverted them without comment.  So I put them back in.  Of course they are relevant.  Knowing the type of things actually said is critical to understanding Washoe.  By all means improve this section, an expert may have better quotes. I would say that a casual comparison of the Washoe quotes and the Chimpsky quotes suggests that Washoe was much more sophisticated, for whatever reason.  Tuntable (talk) 00:28, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need quotes 

message: I think Nim Chimpsky is often seen as a refutation of it rather than a failed replication; while he could pick up signs, the researchers basically showed that he wasn't actually using a language but rather simply responding to operant conditioning, doing "tricks" rather than actually using language. It wasn't so much "we can't do what they did" as "The Washoe folks were fooling themselves and here's why". Titanium Dragon (talk) 01:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a year and some-odd later, I decided to implement some changes to this article. I altered the criticism and other projects section, drawing heavily on the resources of the Nim Chimpsky article. It was far too credulous regarding the claims of those who ran project Washoe. Titanium Dragon (talk) 03:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the opinion of Jane Goodall is important and must be in the article. Akhran (talk) 11:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final paragraph 

message: Since Washoe was an animal, shouldn't the article refer to "it" rather than "her"? Manormadman (talk) 19:47, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronoun 

message: The article should contain some reference to the controversy on chimp language.  A good reference might be this NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/06/06/science/chimp-talk-debate-is-it-really-language.html  DonPMitchell (talk) 16:07, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: All citations for Washoe’s signing vocabulary are dead. 2601:249:380:69F0:E822:2313:E216:605E (talk) 15:18, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Links