Talk:Nine Inch Nails discography

message: I made this page so that the detailed discography content can be moved off the main Nine Inch Nails, hopefully leading to better flow over there.  Some notes on why I created the page like I did.
* This page follows what appears to be the standard Wikipedia discography format (cf. The Beatles discography, David Bowie discography, Sean Combs#Discography).  That's partially to get the article standardized, and partially because I wanted to switch around the categorizations of the releases without doing a lot of tables.
* The singles are all together, regardless of whether they're haloed or not.  There are notes to say which are promo-only, and a complete halo list below, so this shouldn't cause confusion.
* A listing by Halo is seperate from the rest of the discography.  I think this should be easier to understand for non-fans: we know which Halos are important, but it's not readily apparent where to look on the list if you're not familiar with stuff.
* I explicity made the "Soundtracks" section apply only to songs with NIN recorded for a film.  That's in anticipation of people adding to the list every time some TV show or movie decides to put NIN on a soundtrack.
* The same goes for "Notable bootlegs."  Boots of the demos, Woodstock, and important guests are worth noting, but this isn't the place for a list of every bootleg made.
So, that's what I was thinking.  Comments, hate mail, whatever? -- Rynne 05:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Preliminary notes

message: How can it be double platinum if it's only sold 1,200,000? I think that needs to be updated. -- 
: It's a double album. See the RIAA database. –Pomte 03:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Fragile"

message: Doesn't the primary releases deserve a cover image?
*No, it’s been hashed out on the WP:ALBUMS and WP:SONGS discussions that album-cover images should not be used in discography listings if the images are already avaliable on the recordings' individual pages.  The reason is that over-use of copyrighted album covers may violate fair-use doctrines. -- Rynne 15:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An imaged table for primary releases 

message: The MP3 Torrents claiming to be The Definitive NIN collections (Seed 02: The Singles, Seed 03: Deep Cuts, Seed 04: Quiet Tracks) appear to be fake.  As of writing, there's no mention of such torrents on the [official site].  See discussion on Echoing the Sound message boards for further specualtion about their nature.  I'm removing them from the page until someone can find a citation that they're official. - Rynne 17:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whoops.  Just read this, after having added them to the Seeds section.  Do I count as a reputable reference?  Given that they were released by seed0, who also released the Closure and Broken DVDs recently, not to mention the mp3 torrents of the live collaborations during the last tour.  It's safe to say they're official Nine Inch Nails releases, even if they may not be official Interscope Records releases. Leviathant 19:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Well, Levi, the test for inclusion on Wikipedia is verifiability.  If it's published by a reliable source, then it can be cited and included in the article.  So if, say, ETS were to publish an article saying the torrents are official, then it would be so.  :)   Tabanger  08:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Roger.  I understand the guideline now.  As soon as it is published/verified by a reliable source (and I know there is at least one out there), then it can be included.  For now, however, regardless of its veracity, it cannot be.   Tabanger  09:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Did you bother to read the discussion and policies? We don't require rocksolid proof, just verifiability from a reliable source Nil Einne 13:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MP3 Torrents 

message: It isn't mentioned in this article that AATCHB is available as a DVD and as a CD.
The still disc obviously only comes with the CD. But it's listed alongside closure (vhs only, no cd) in the "Live albums and compilations" section.
*I made that section because I couldn't really think of another way to list those two releases.  It's probably not the best way to do it, and if you have another way of listing them, feel free to give it a shot.  I didn't note that AATCHB was released on CD and DVD because I didn't list formats for any other releases, except where they have different halo numbers.  I basically only mentioned the limited-edition AATCHB because it charted higher than the standard version and it included Still. - Rynne 14:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  And all that could have been 

message: I'm deleting this section because it's essentially a list of trivia.  NIN has no control over which movies license its music for use in films or trailers, so this is not useful in an official discography.  As seen already, this section quickly becomes listcruft.  The discography already has a useful section for NIN songs which were specifically written or remixed for films; we don't need another section for songs that some producer decided to pay Interscope to let him use in a film. -- rynne 16:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The same reasoning should apply to "Landmarked bootlegs". –Pomte 02:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno - TR technically has to approve uses of his music in major films. Also, those "landmark" RoIOs are of questionable status, but they must have been originally derived from somewhere legitimate, right? How else could they be of soundboard quality? BotleySmith 21:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're probably right about the bootlegs, though I think something like Purest Feeling at least deserves a mention here.  That being said, I'd note that at least with bootlegs it might be of interest to some people because the boots do contain different audio than the official albums, while the music used in films and trailers is the same as what's already been released.  But yeah, in general I'd rather keep the discography less cruft-y, so if you think the bootleg section should go, too, I certainly won't object. -- rynne 15:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Appearances in films and trailers" deletion

message: Go to the RIAA database. Search for "with teeth" in the title field. This will tell you that it is a Gold-selling album in the United States (designation: G). We should consider any other claim unverifiable until a better source is provided. BotleySmith 16:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  With Teeth is a Gold record 

message: this page needs Survivalisim, year Zero, and Capital G on it, but I don't know how to do that myself —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.244.174.89 (talk) 01:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already there. –Pomte 02:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  update 

message: year zero sold over 500 000 copies.do you know if it received the gold certificate ?
:It isn't in the RIAA database, so I'd assume it hasn't  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.104.252.201 (talk) 21:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year Zero 

message: This is correct OFFICIAL name for year zero remixed, tried to change link name, but action was un-done. Anyone know why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheepdean (talk • contribs) 10:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mainly because Wikipedia has a naming convention (here) which states:  "Do not replicate stylized typography in logos and album art."  But, just for clairity, I believe Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D does redirect to Year Zero Remixed.Drewcifer 17:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's basically the same case as with Ministry's album, ΚΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ. On Wikipedia it is referred to as Psalm 69: The Way to Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs which is its alternative name.  Both articles refer to their actual name within the first paragraph. So we're covered. Xe7al (talk) 23:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Y34RZ3R0R3MIX3D 

message: * PHM: 3,000,000 + 
* Broken: 645,000 + 
* TDS: 4,000,000 + 
* Fragile: 892,000 + 
* With Teeth: 1,100,000 + 
* YZ: 445,000 +  (same source as for With Teeth)
The sources for The Fragile and TDS were from an earlier revision of the article. The only problem I can see is that the Broken source is pretty dated, being from 1994, but it's all I could find for it. Also, it's possible that a more recent sales figure for Year Zero appears somewhere else, as it is still a relatively current album. --Brandt Luke Zorn 05:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm honestly not sure if this stuff is worth including.  All of the numbers seem extremely dated (especially The Fragile), and they're approximate dates of publication vary so much that each number means something completely different.  Any thoughts? Drewcifer 10:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that most of these articles are in the 2005-2007 range (except for the source for TDS, which is from the still fairly recent 2003, and the Broken one which is more outdated at 1994) I think that they're all worth including. These statistics are meant to be more like "this record has sold at least this much" then "this record has sold exactly this much," hence the "+" after each number, so it doesn't hugely matter how old the source is so long as it is the most recent source available. --Brandt Luke Zorn 21:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales figures 

message: According to Every_Day_Is_Exactly_the_Same (and from my nin.com recollection), there was a cancelled video for "Every Day is Exactly the Same". Could someone add this to the videography section? StevePrutz 00:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  There is no footage available for it, official or unofficial or leaked.  --  Tabanger  04:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a joke, not an official video.  It was originally posted at The NIN Hotline. Drewcifer (talk) 07:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  EDIETS Music Video 

message: At least one of the "NIN Hotline" links are broken, perhaps all of them.
My issue though is about reliable sources. What exactly are "NIN Collector" and "The Nin Hotline"? Are they authorative and if so why? It might be wise to annotate these references because they don't jump out at me as being from reliable sources. --kingboyk (talk) 12:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

message: Is there anything to support the Halo numbers assigned to Discipline and Year Zero part 2 on this page?  Looks like someone guessing to me...194.66.67.222 (talk) 17:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discipline and YZ pt 2 

message: 'Sorry if this has been discussed, but I grokked through and couldn't find any discussion. The original Quake computer game from Id Software is also a playable CD of NIN music, which also happens to be the soundtrack to the game. This shows up under Trent Reznor's discography and there gives NIN co-credit. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_Reznor_discography. Being a NIN Noob, I'm not comfortable editing the actual wiki, but it looks like an oversight and I'll leave correction, if appropriate, to those who know what they're doing.
Snookerdoodle (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mentioned in the Soundtrack section. Drewcifer (talk) 23:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quake Soundtrack? 

message: Umm, I think this clearly isn't top importance for Ohio... not even NIN is let alone the discography page.  I wouldn't even consider it high... maybe mid... but the importance of NIN has little to do with Ohio despite where they are from.  Not an overly important issue.  Great article, by the way. gren グレン 08:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top importance for Ohio? 

message: *Downward Spiral: 15 (http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/rpm/028020-119.01-e.php?&file_num=nlc008388.2434&volume=59&issue=11&issue_dt=April%2004%201994&type=1&interval=24&PHPSESSID=q7a8kho0gp0ecl1bcihne0pto6, RPM Volume 60, No. 23, April 04 1994 )
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*The Perfect Drug: 28 (http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/rpm/028020-119.01-e.php?&file_num=nlc008388.9794&volume=64&issue=22&issue_dt=January%2027%201997&type=1&interval=24&PHPSESSID=q7a8kho0gp0ecl1bcihne0pto6, Volume 64, No. 22, January 27 1997) Drewcifer (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian chart positions 

message: In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :) 
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thread_title:  Bot report : Found duplicate references ! 

message: There was a Halo 00, released in 1988. It had two tracks; Suck, and Supernaut . I had one for a while and I still know where it is. I will try to get hold of it to enter the info here.Capt3 (talk) 06:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it's a bootleg, not an official release. link. Drewcifer (talk) 07:15, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 00 

message: I noticed that a while ago it was cut from the list.Almost all NIN singles charted...i think it's one of the most important charts and it should be put back again  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.114.7.166 (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Mainstream Rock Chart 

message: Should TOIOU be included on this page? I know it isn't official but it was practically sponsored by Trent. Just food for thought. Xe7al (talk) 01:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it would be wise to set that precedent.  Unofficial or fan release albums shouldn't be included.----–m.f (t • c) 14:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, just thought I'd bring it up for the record. I agree that it sounds extremely iffy. Xe7al (talk) 16:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This One Is On Us 

message: For some reason the music video section lists Hurt as unaired and unfinished. I assume theyre talking about a different music video that really was unfinished but there was a Hurt music video that was in HEAVY rotation at the time the album was current (1995 or so). It was a live video of the band in the shadows performing while film footage of things decaying and the aftermath of war was projected on a big screen. All in black and white, although it changes to color at the end when the distortion hits. Its even included on the music videos compilation Closure (aka Halo 12). At least I assume the Hurt (live version) on that release is the same one I remember. I havent seen Halo 12 myself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.153.83 (talk) 04:46, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurt music video 

message: Some random IP added that "Came Back Haunted" reached 58... when it never passed 109. Be on the watch for random IPs updating the charts. Mrmoustache14 (talk) 23:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Came Back Haunted charts

message: So, a company in the UK is releasing the Coil/NIN remixes... it is going to be 5 tracks... here is the info: http://coldspring.co.uk/discography/csr193cd/#.UtheDbSnLTp ... as far as I know this is not a bootleg, but it is not a Halo or a NIN released product... it is a series of NIN remixes acquired by the company legally (I hope anyways) and is recovered work that Coil did for Trent in the mid-90's.  As these are NIN songs being remixed... I imagine they belong somewhere on here... but where?  DMighton (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recoiled

message: Both the Fragile and With Teeth have been released (on Apple Music) as instrumental albums a few months ago. Should those go under remix albums or a separate section? RF23 (talk) 19:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The Fragile & With Teeth Instrumentals

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message: Hello, I was wondering when Less Than would be added in the music videos section. I would do it myself but I don't really know much about tables. It would say Less Than - 2017 - Brook Linder - (empty).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brodyargo (talk • contribs) 17:07, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less Than music video 

message: In the introductory comments, the first time he's mentioned he's just called Reznor. Surely there should be some sentence along the lines of "NIN frontman Trent Reznor..." or similar? For those of us who are just coming across the band for the first time.
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thread_title:  Trent Reznor appears from nowhere. 

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