Talk:Medina

message: The article is OK from history but it's woefully in need of help in describing the city as it relates to today. What is it's infrastructure like? What are the facilitites? It's unlike any other city article about cities in Saudi Arabia. What about the physical city? What about the public transit? Radio? Etc etc etc....
63.26.123.156 (talk) 06:44, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs Major Work

message: On the issue of the changing of the Qibla, I see that the sentence should be removed. Wikipedia aims to take a neutral stance, so any hypothesis (however reasonable to a western reader) should not be stated in such an unequivical manner. Best to just state the empirical fact without any of the perceived reasoning for the change (ie. The direction of the Qibla was changed in the year XXX . full stop). Or at least integrate into the paragraph a sentence that clearly shows that it is disputed by muslims. 
In any case why is this in the Medina page? It should be on the page about Islam.
Can you folks sign and date these entries?  I have no idea how old this discussion is.  Anyway, Medina has nothing to do with the Qibla.  It might warrant a mention on Mecca, and of course it should feature on Qibla, but not here. --Irishpunktom\talk 14:08, May 27, 2005 (UTC)
All Islamic sources record the tribes breaking the treaty.  However, I will put in the exact text from the Banu Qurayza article if you feel that is necessary.Heraclius 14:58, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I included a sentence that exhibited concern over the fact that the only sources there are are Islamic ones written 2 centuries after the event.  This means that the event itself may have been quite whitewashed and we will never know the truth.Heraclius 15:14, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Zeno has just removed the info I added calling it irrelevant.  Ironically, Zeno's version contains no mention of the execution of the tribes, making it very POV.Heraclius 05:12, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

text: While some of it was relevant, the part about the judge was trivia, and certainly didn't belong in a small article like this about the city. Jayjg (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think Sa'ad ibn Mua'dh is relevant as the article was made for a reason and it should be linked to, even in the historical section of a city.Heraclius 05:21, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

text: He doesn't appear to have anything to do with the city, even if there is an article about him.  Can you explain why he is important to the city? Jayjg (talk) 05:25, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Muslim histories he knew enough about the city to be appointed a judge over the fate of one of the tribes and he also was an ally of one of the tribes.Heraclius 05:49, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

text: The Muslim histories say nothing about the city, just about his relationship with the tribes.  Trivia. Jayjg (talk) 05:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a chief of the one of the most powerful factions in the city warrants a mention.Heraclius 14:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  changing of the Qibla 

message: Begining of the third para in the History section just does not make any sense. Which tribes were hostile and to whom? Alsandro 18:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Is it really necessary to add this after each instance where Muhammad is mentionned? It seems redundant, and it makes for a less agreable reading.
I didn't change it in order not to offend anyone, but I was wondering if it was necessary. I saw no such redundance in the Muhammad article itself.
*saying this in the text is not NPOV!  It is a religious statement for an encyclopedia that should not have religious sentiments. Pastorwayne 17:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah i think it's too much, in arabic we have to say that but when it comes to writing in arabic there is a small block of words that says that, but in english you don't have it so i guess it's fine --mo-- (Talk | #info |  ) 20:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peace be Upon Him 

message: Why has this been nominated for a neutrality check? The article deals up facts and nothing else. Is it safe to assume that someone doesn't like the information being made easily known?
*The article was tagged after I asked about the "Peace be Upon Him" statements which were after each instance of Muhammad. It is has been removed now (not by me, but I do agree with it). Lunargent 13:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has this been nominated for a neutrality check?  

message: I sectioned the article and spoted some pov. But i dont care enough to NPOV it. --Striver 01:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: This statement is inaccurate historically. Yathrib is an oasis with water & with farming land & a cravan stop on the ancient 'frank incence' trade route from Yemen to Rome from 2000BC. So it has been inhabited from ancient times. at least after the advent of invention of farming in Mesopotamia in 8000BC. It is a recorded history that the two tribes of Al-Aws & Al-Khazraj moved from Yemen after the destruction in 1000BC of the Maarib Damn there built by the Saba kingdom in Yemen. The three jewish tribes only moved there later from Palestine after its capture by Nebuccanassar in 500BC.ILAKNA (talk) 08:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The article's overview and history section appear a bit Judeo-centric. Thus, I have corrected the aforementioned offending statement. The city of Yathrib appears in Assyrian texts from the 6th century BC. Jews arrive to the city 800 years later; in the 2nd century AD. It would be absurd to say that the city "was founded by Jewish refugees"!--Xevorim (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Yathrib which was founded by Jewish refugees' 

message: "The first mosque of Islam is also located in Medinah and is known as Masjid Quba" - this is incorrect.  The first mosque of "Islam" is the Haram or the mosque in Makkah.  The first mosque in the lifetime of Muhammad perhaps. --The-pessimist 00:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: First mosque

message: There is a town in Ghana almost at the outskirt of the  Greater Accra Region of the country called Madina and not medina as indicated. Medina is in Saudi Arabia how could it be in Ghana or has anything to do with the country Ghana? It is from Madina that you get to Adenta and then to Somanya and the adjorning towns and cities. It will be of great prudence if this could be further edited and the corrections made to this.
:Al-Madina(h) is the Arabic name for Medina. Some native Arabic-speaking or non-Arab Muslims most of the times call Medina by this name. - Qasamaan 18:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not speaking Arabic, we are speaking English. Kindly, be mindful of the language you are using to communicate. 134.228.18.153 (talk) 18:56, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madina not Medina 

message: This article is about the city of medina, and is in need of expansion. Currently it just tells the importance to muslims and the history, but says nothing about how the city functions. This needs to be added.--Sefringle 02:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: As has been said before, right now as an article on a large, modern world city this is severely lacking.  It entirely lacks sections on economy, demographics, and public services, among other things.  I can try to get things jump started if no one else has the time but i'm already working hard on a few other articles.  It might be easier if there can be a few of us that each looks up a little bit, because as it is this article just doesn't seem acceptable. MezzoMezzo 15:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you , but for some reasons i dont edit cities articles anymore , you can include this task to WP:KSA Ammar (Talk - Don't Talk) 10:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Can we get this article up and running?

message: dispute talk regarding insertion of this tag  in relation to making the article display NPOV towards jewish related matters at historical medina.
User:Sefringle, the history of judaism travels also at some point in time through the city of medina, originally built by jewish tribes (according to the article). As such, i found it important that the project would perhaps devote some time to perhaps expand or give notes where they feel that jews/judaism (a synonymous thing at the time) are being misrepresented.
your statement that "this is a city article not a religous article" is true to the extent that it does not go very deeply into religious detail. but it is also false considering the intro has "second holiest city in Islam, and the burial place of Muhammad."and i've just seen this edit in it while this intro has no refrence that jews started the city and made it holy to begin with (see the article body).. as such, i've allready found one place where jews/judaism are not being properly presented in the article and i'm fairly certain that there are more to be added into the article.
considering that "project judaism" tends not only to religious topics but (i)also to the history of the jewish people and that there is (ii)no projectwiki historical medina (and no intention to make one) to tag instead of it (like there is a 'wikiproject palestine'). i feel that this tag is the best left option i've come up with to allow people to get acqainted with the articlke and touch up on the way the city is occupied by arabs. (we should probably also note that jews and israel would never dream to demand back these lands).
anyways, i'm (iii)open to hear replacement wikiprojects if you have them, but i think a removal will only 'perpetuate misrepresentations' and only allow one side to tell it's story on the jews of 'historical medina' and will therefore (iv)make an unbalanced POV article. 
last note: (v)respect to other people's history should be given. Jaakobou 23:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Judaism tag 

message: The article extremly need a full re-write . Such as the previous re-write projects for Jeddah, Riyadh and Mecca. 
Points of improving
#Removing unnesseceray text.
#Displaying Medina article as a City not as a religious topic.
#Adding new photos.
#Fixing laguage and grammer.
#Protecting the article from the dialy vandalism.
#Using Chapers and Sections standard that used in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities.
  A M M A R  02:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: None of this justifies the full rewrite tag, it is just the sort of miscellaneous improvement that most articles need. Choalbaton (talk) 02:18, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Article Re-write 

message: Not that I'm an expert, but I've never heard this city called Medina. It's always Medinah. Unless people more familiar with the topic have any objections, I think we should rename the article to Madinah. Jasepl (talk) 10:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medina / Madinah? 

message: According to Note 23 in this article, French historian Robert Mantran would argue in his book that Sa'd ibn Muadh would have based his judgement on Jewish Law (Deuteronom). This assertion is clearly mistaken from what is actually written, hereafter is the correct quote excerptes from L'Expansion Musulmane, Nouvelle Clio, pp.85-86: 
« A La Mecque, Aboû Sofyân réunit une grande coalition et, en mars 627, marche sur Médine. Informé,Mohammad fait creuser un fossé (khandaq) pour défendre la ville ; le siège entrepris par les Mecquois ne donnant aucun résultat en dépit des appels aux Banoû Qurayza pour se joindre à eux, Aboû Sofân et ses troupes se retirent, laissant à Mohammad le bénéfice du succès. Celui-ci décide alors d'éliminer la dernière tribu juive de Médine qui, sur l'avis d'un arbitre, Sa'd ibn Mo'âdh, est condamnée à l'extermination totale : les hommes sont décapités, les femmes et les enfants réduits en esclavage. Cette solution définitive a soulevé la réprobation. Il convient cependant de la replacer dans les mœurs du temps et surtout dans la situation particulière des Émigrés, qui redoutaient toujours une menace sur leurs arrières. Cet acte est aussi le dernier de ceux que l'on peut qualifier de "défensifs" pour les musulmans. Désormais, de 628 à 632, se déroule la phase "offensive". »
Sorry I did not translate the quote but even non-french speakers can see that neither the word "Torah" nor "Deuteronome" is used in this text. Robert Mantran cannot be quoted as source to argue that Sa'd would have based his judggement on jewish law. To my knowledge, the only external source supporting this idea is Professor Mohammed Hamidullah in his own "Life of Muhammad". Hamidullah has based his own assertion on Ibn Ishaq, Tabari (both of them do not share this wiew) and Ibn Sa'd. Best regards --Ahlelkitab (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 23 in this paper is misleading 

message: I have removed the picture prominently showing a smiling pilgrim with Al-Masjid al-Nabawi in the background. This is entirely inappropriate for an encyclopedia as the image is of low quality and the focus is clearly upon the person and not the subject of the article. DO NOT replace this picture with out at least discussing the issues I have raised—Wikipedia is not a depository for tourist pictures. Xargon666x6 (talk) 22:21, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of pilgrim 

message: At the top right corner of the article above the picture of the Prophet's mosque it says "al-Madinat an-Nabi". That is grammatically incorrect. It should be "Madinat an-Nabi". The construction here is the so-called iDaafa which signifies a possessive relationship ("city of...") and the first part ("madina") cannot have a definite article. Both words can have definite articles only if one is a noun ("ism") and one is an adjective ("Siffa"), for example "al-masjid an-nabawi" - literally "the prophetic mosque".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.245.100.75 (talk) 23:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "al-Madinat an-Nabi" 

message: The largest section is about the 2nd to 7th centuries AD, when Medina was a little village. The 9th to 20th centuries, when it was a capital of Islam, are completely ignored. This article deserves the worst possible rating. Shii (tock) 09:11, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: This article blows

message: The section on the Battle of Uhud needs major copy editing or a complete rewrite.  The writing is awkward and uses terminology that is likely unfamiliar to non-Muslim readers ("Kafirun").  It also does not cite any sources.  Perhaps shorten it or link it to the main article on the Battle of Uhud?  Foreignshore (talk) 03:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite section on Battle of Uhud 

message: What is missing from the city timeline? Please add relevant content. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 11:35, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Medina]] 

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message: The article makes believe that Medina is originally an Arabic word – this is not the case. It's an Aramaic-Hebrew name by the original settlers, which was assimilated as loanword into Arabic. -- 188.192.196.18 (talk) 11:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong etymology 

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message: Throughout this article, both "Makkah" and "Mecca" are used interchangeably. For clarity, I would suggest picking a single spelling to use throughout; using both only in the first instance.
"Mecca" is used for the article on that subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca.
Wwatinski (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency between "Makkah" and "Mecca" 

message: Hello, is someone able to prove that there is three main islamic sites, comprising jerusalem? Or is everyone repeating this claim whiteout any knowledge?--HaSalam (talk) 20:56, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of islamic sources 

message: Dear fellow editors,
I am but a 15-year-old trying his best to make the Saudi Arabian Wikipedia articles as good as the ability I possess. What you all have posted on this talk page literally looks like a bunch of baloney to me. And I, after taking this whole day, the 25th of June, 2020, to not only rewrite sections of this article but improve it considerably, add pictures and most importantly, respect everyone's views on this page, I do not ask for any honor or any messages of gratification. I see this as an obligation upon me as both a Muslim and a resident of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. After taking more than 10 hours to edit this article and add approximately 10,131 bytes (the last I counted) to bring the article to the 70,700 bytes (again, this was the last time I checked), I hereby am sending this article for consideration for renomination under GAN.
I do not want any hate under this message of mine. Rather, if you have any complaints against my edit, go ahead and change it, for that is what Wikipedia wants of us.
Thank You.
P.S. improve the infobox if you can. I literally cannot get wrap my head around that piece of crap template. And, also, someone needs to create the page "List of names of Madinah", as according to the third book in the "Further reading" section, Madinah, The Enlightened City: History and Landmarks, the city has been referred to by 30 names in ahadith. That book is gifted at one of the exhibitions near the al-Masjid an-Nabawi and thus, I see it as a credible source. Thank you again.
--AccordingClass (talk) 20:07, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am renominating this article under GAN 

message: User:AccordingClass's change of primary name used in text from Medina to Madinah is inappropriate. The page is named Medina because that is English language usage. Usage within the page should follow the example of the page title. --Khajidha (talk) 13:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point this is a personal attack. You left a message on my talk page and ideally should have given me at least 12-24 hours to respond, or at least, tried to fix the problem yourself. Instead, you reverted the Mecca article to an objectively worse past edition and came on here to turn the people who have worked on this article against me. If you are not going to fix a problem, don't make it worse for a person who will at least try to do so. I do not want to start an edit war to disqualify this article from Wikipedia:GAN. If you have a problem, come on my talk page, wait 12-24 hours, and, at least until September, I will respond as quickly as I am able, and we will talk your problem through.--AccordingClass (talk) 20:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The note on your talk page was actually the last thing I did. I completely reverted your changes to Mecca because such undiscussed name changes are often POV vandalism. That I was also involved in several location naming discussions at the same time probably colored my impressions. I considered reverting on Medina, but there were many other edits by others in the same time period that I did not want to do away with. I posted a note on the talk page there for more dedicated editors of that page to look over the article. It was only then that I really noticed how much other material you had added and came to the conclusion that you were probably a well meaning editor, but were simply unaware of naming conventions. I then posted to your page to make sure you understood what the problem was. I did not intend to malign you in any way and apologize for leaving you with that impression.--Khajidha (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate change in name usage 

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message: The Turkish publication Servet-i Funun published some images of Medina, then in the Ottoman Empire:
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thread_title:  Possible PD images? 

message: "Medina has been inhabited at least 1500 years before the Hijra, or approximately the 9th century BC.[5] "
The citation is to an archived copy of a defunct web page. But the archive link appears to be defunct as well. This is a big claim to be making, and so this clearly requires a better source. Comiscuous (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better source needed. 

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message: It is located in Madinah and built by the Holy prophet Hazrat Muhammad (P.B.U.H) 39.37.252.84 (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masjaid of Hazrat Muhammad 

message: its not clearly understandable 31.166.105.76 (talk) 18:09, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  understand 

message: Makkah is correct spelling 
Not mecca. 213.166.157.14 (talk) 20:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makkah is correct spelling, 

message: I was reading this talk page and found out that there is a suburb in Ghana named Madina. I know that Medina is also sometimes spelled Madina. However, when a user is searching for Madina, Ghana using the search term "Madina", he will be redirected to this page. Should we at least move Madina to a disambiguation page? Luwuyi (talk) 02:53, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madina