Talk:Lojban/Archive proposals

message: A much nicer version is at:
http://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/pixra:Lojbancmalu.png
Kim Bruning 19:29, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lojban logo 

message: Does anyone know where the name "Lojban" comes from?  If so, please add it to the article. —Steve Summit (talk) 13:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name derivation 

message: Please, could you offer some longer text, in order to get a feel for Lojban? Maybe a well known text, like the Lords Prayer or the beginning of the Declaration of Independce of the USA, or something. Thanks. --denny vrandečić 01:02, Feb 28, 2004 (UTC)
:Lord's prayer in Lojban is on the Esperanto wiki. Other translations are at the official Lojban homepage. I don't think the latter is appropriate to add under the "External links" section, since the main page of the same site already appears there. arj 21:23, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longer Lojban text 

message: A couple suggestions:
1- When describing a new language in a Wikipedia article written in English, do not describe the language in terms of words from the language itself. Example:
:"Etymology of the name".The name of the language, Lojban, is a combination of {loj} and {ban}, which are rafsi for {logji} and {bangu}, meaning "Logical" and "Language", respectively.
So what the heck is a rafsi? I'm sure it makes perfect sense to the author of the article, but those who are just getting started trying to learn about it, it's a little discouraging when the article starts off confusing. According to Wikipedia,
rafsi is a morphology term pertaining to artificial language Lojban. 
(Not very helpful so far.) 
In Lojban, all gismu and many cmavo have special forms, called rafsi, by combining which it is possible to create new selbri and names.
OK, this brings me to point #2
2- When defining a word from a new language in a Wikipedia article written in English, do not define the word using other words from this new language. For example:
I have a new language, Snospmis. The name Snonspmis comes from the kitu of pine trees. What is or are kitu you ask? Kitu are kind of like stolgib, only moreso xilften.
See?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.184.121.215 (talk • contribs).
:Agreed. —RuakhTALK 01:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right. I clarified the passage on rafsi in this article, and a bit of work had already been done on rafsi.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 07:04, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to introduce an article 

message: I'm a little confused on the topic of Lojban vs. Loglan. I think a comparison article or chart would be of very much help. Mkoval 22:11, 30 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiki:Lojban vs Loglan comparison, look also at loglanic texts on www.loglan.org --ilya 06:51, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, I included the comparison link in the main text. It's not so easy to understand by someone with little backgroud, so I think a simple comparison in Wikipedia is still warranted. Mkoval 07:36, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am in the process of writing a section on this. Expect it to be added during the next week. arj 21:18, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text:  Done. arj 13:43, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lojban vs Loglan 

message: Pne, I agree that the wording you removed was a little awkward. But people who are not acquainted with Lojban will not know what gismu means. I'm tempted to just revert it, since the old information gives more information, but I suppose there might be a way to work in some info on what a gismu is earlier in the article. arj 21:51, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, well, I think the old information was inaccurate - the term brivla is defined in the article, but brivla in general don't have rafsi. I agree that keeping it in would provide information, but then the bit about "zero to three three-letter abbreviations" or whatever it was would need to be rephrased. -- pne 09:54, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I've played around with the text a little; what do you think of it now? -- pne 10:10, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lojban words for parts of speech 

message: This is a technical problem regarding the Lojban Wikipedia, and I'll use the page Manatee to demonstrate.  Normally, when one wants to link to a page in another language, the name of the other Wikipedia suffices.  For instance, no:Manat is the code for the Norwegian version, and no.wikipedia.org is that Wikipedia's location.  But for Taiwanese, minnan:Hái-gû is correct, even though the Taiwanese Wikipedia is at zh-min-nan.wikipedia.org.  As you can see, jbo is not the correct code for Lojban, since the link appears at the bottom of the page rather than at the left.  What is it, then?
: My guess is that it is correct (it is the correct ISO code, after all), but that it has been disabled on en: because of political reasons, to discourage interwiki linking to jbo:. I believe the same thing happens at present with tlh: as well. arj 15:08, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking Lojban Pages 

message: The editor who suggested for attitudinal indicator to be merged in here didn't state a reason for doing so. Seeing as the tag has stood for months, and this article here is quite long already, I'm inclined to just remove the merge tag. Any opinions? arj 10:41, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: I suggest to split the Grammar section from this article, leaving a summarized version of it. --Mednak 16:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that. It seems the article jumps directly into trying to teach someone Lojban, rather than just explaining the history/concept of it. Miggyb 19:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a new page dedicated to Lojban grammar. --Mednak 00:59, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have summarized each section of Grammar in this article. We may of course keep further editing them; but as for some particular additional content please put it in the external Lojban grammar. --Mednak 11:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting 

message: === Number of gismu ===
:There are 1342 canonical gismu.
I count 1436: http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt has 1438 lines. Subtract one line for the header and one for the blank line at the end, and you have 1436. It looks to me that every single other line defines a gismu. - furrykef (Talk at me) 07:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that list of gismu also includes cmavo if they have rafsi.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 07:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, you're right. The document's name is misleading, then. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: .ie—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 05:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts 

message: :There are 1342 canonical gismu.
I count 1436: http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/gismu.txt has 1438 lines. Subtract one line for the header and one for the blank line at the end, and you have 1436. It looks to me that every single other line defines a gismu. - furrykef (Talk at me) 07:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that list of gismu also includes cmavo if they have rafsi.—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 07:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, you're right. The document's name is misleading, then. - furrykef (Talk at me) 05:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: .ie—Nat Krause(Talk!·What have I done?) 05:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of gismu