Talk:General Government

message: why does this article need to continue to exist when there is a more complete version of it at History of Poland (1939-1945)?
Because General Government was a separate colony of Nazis, and as the separate entity it deserves its history.
One cannot understand history of WWII, if he doesn't realise that in GG Nazis could have done everything they wished. Nobody cared what happenned to defeated Poles, while even in Germany, Nazis had some limitations.
Of course, Nazis got more area for implementing their Anty-utopia after 1941, but still, all death camps were set-up in GG.
Those are not very good reasons. The Nazi occupation of Poland is better covered at History of Poland (1939-1945). This article should be redirected there.
AM 
Poland in years 1939-45 were divided into
- GG
- annexed territories
- Soviet Zone
- Lithuanian part
- Slovak parts
1941
- Eastern Galicia were added to GG
- Bialystok  region was addded to annexed territories
::I feel that in the interest of clarity, the intro needs to show how the GG was not formed from all of pre-War Poland, but only the parts that weren't outright included in the German state. As it reads now, it gives the impression that all of Poland became the GG. Bwood 05:07, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur, GG needs its' own article since very often it is assumed that it was either a puppet-regime or even a rump polish state. This needs clarification and this page seems a good way to do it.
Halibutt 22:23, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Article

message: I deleted these from the History section because a) German plans for Poland went far beyond "Grossraum" and b) GG had nothing to do with a "German World Reich" and the Majer book cite had nothing to do with this either. 71.135.105.35 (talk) 07:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Grossraum and "German World Reich"

message: I've edited some of the image descriptions because many are unclear and at least one could be seen as inflammatory. The caption:
"Polish hostages preparing in Palmiry by Nazi-Germans for mass execution (see: binding eyes) Palmiry 1940" could easily lead a reader to believe that Wikipedia is saying the hostages colluded in their own murders, something unsupported by the image or by any source (and I suspect insulting to many readers). "Polish hostages preparing" means that the victims are preparing themselves; the image shows they are not. I've also edited a few words and phrases that either don't exist in English or sound almost humourously redundant ("Nazi-German" and "Nazi German SS", for instance), and corrected a few unusual word choices (when one person "keeps" another, it doesn't mean they're holding them at gunpoint - it means they're financially supporting them in exchange for sexual favours). --NellieBly (talk) 10:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I've edited the image descriptions

message: Aiiii! Generalgouvernement does not mean "General Government"! It is a loan word from French and means "Governate General." There is also nothing specifically German or Polish or French about the word. It just represents an administrative unit with a Governor. 
Call it "Nazi-occupied Poland" or "Governate General (Nazi-occupied Poland)" or something, but for heaven's sake not "General Government"! :) -- Fullstop (talk) 03:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was termed this way by the Germans themselves!  See the accompanying German Wiki article.  Farawayman (talk) 16:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been the term in English historical sources since 1945.  -HammerFilmFan  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.41.243 (talk) 12:45, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Generalgouvernement' does not mean "General Government"

message: In the text. Nazis didn't want to collaborate with Poles, also they didn't want to make Poles into German citizens. They were searching for "Polonised" Germans that could be re-germanised.--Molobo (talk) 23:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I will clarifty the misconception

message: it offers many figures and numbers but the whole section has zero refs/sources.
for example:
150,000 axis dead
AK having 300000 members
AL having 15% of what AK had
Where are these numbers coming from?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.51.239.98 (talk) 22:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: resistance section

message: I added on number of troops stationed in the region.
--Molobo (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Added on number of troops stationed

message: Added on daily calories provided for people classified as untermenschen and Germans.--Molobo (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Daily calories

message: "The General Government ... refers to a part of the territories of Poland under German military occupation ... and was separate part of "Greater Germany". "
Does this mean it was "a" separate part of "Greater Germany, or, was separate "from" a part of Greater Germany, or what?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.255.51.216 (talk) 03:38, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarify please?

message: Was there death penalty for Poles having sex with German women?--79.111.191.214 (talk) 11:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: death penalty

message: what about the ostgebiete? every nazi idea regarding the future of these Generalgouvernement territories later happened to the germans and what used to be east german territories.
german plans for the Generalgouvernement:
the annexation of the land.
expulsion of the ethnic group.
killing many of them in the process.
polish reality after the war:
everything the nazis dreamed up was put into practice by poland and the soviet union after the war.
the expulsion of literally every german from their lands. most of them as ancient german as berlin.
1 million germans died in the process. some numbers you can find are even higher. (2 million, from bund der vertriebenen)
and the annexation of 1/3 of germanys landmass by poland during the cold war.
german cities got renamed in polish and even villages got new, made up names.
every street got a new, made up name in polish. every trace of german history was eradicated.
seems like this should be noted in the article. it's the exact same thing and ironic on top of that.
but I bet nothing will happen since this article seems to be written by poles anyway and poles don't like it 
when their actions are as bad and even worse than the actions of the nazis. 
we all know poles are never offenders and always poor victims. *irony off*  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.234.132.73 (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: considering what Nazi Germany did to Poland and the citizens of the USSR, you should have figured this out for yourself, without the need of the 800-900 reliable scholarly sources which explain it 50.111.41.243 (talk) 12:43, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Ostgebiete

message: this sentence in the introduction is clearly wrong.
"In terms of international and civil law, all of these acts were illegal from their inception, according to section III of the Fourth Hague Convention (1907) accepted by Germany.[2]"
the section lll of the fourth Hague Convention talks about 
"(III): Convention relative to the Opening of Hostilities[20]
This convention sets out the accepted procedure for a state making a declaration of war."
this has clearly nothing to do with the inception concerning the international and civil law? of the Generalgouvernement.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.234.132.73 (talk) 00:57, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth Hague Convention (1907)

message: Why is it called General Government, and not General Governorate, which is the correct translation of the german word (Gouvernement, the german word for governorate, is rarely used in German)--Antemister (talk) 09:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that is the term in English.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.41.243 (talk) 12:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Xx236 (talk) 05:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:   Zamosch or Zamosc? 

message: Galizien data are needed.Xx236 (talk) 05:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: The quoted source doesn't use the word logistical. Is it the correct summary of the page 268?Xx236 (talk) 08:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''for logistical purposes'' 

message: It's unprecise, only Eastern Galitsia was annected to GG.Xx236 (talk) 07:46, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  '' inclusion of the regions of Poland'' 

message: Galizien was organized in Distrikt Galizien.Xx236 (talk) 09:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician)]] 

message: Xx236 (talk) 10:23, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:   The Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe: Nazi Rule in Poland under the General Government by Martin Winstone  

message: Ahistorical, there was no independent Ukraine at that time. District of Galicia was a part of Poland annected by the Soviet Union on the basis of the Soviet-Nazi agreement and erobert by the Nazis in 1941.Xx236 (talk) 13:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  was a territory in Poland and Ukraine  

message: The majority until July 1944, Kraków until January 1945, Warsaw - Praga until 1944, the rest wasn't a city, was completely destroyed and depopulated.Xx236 (talk) 06:57, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Until 1945 ? 

message: :http://www.hsozkult.de/publicationreview/id/rezbuecher-24802
:http://www.ibtauris.com/Books/Society%20%20social%20sciences/Politics%20%20government/Political%20ideologies/Fascism%20%20Nazism/The%20Dark%20Heart%20of%20Hitlers%20Europe%20Nazi%20Rule%20in%20Poland%20Under%20the%20General%20Government.aspx?menuitem={817548B7-25EF-41FB-BE59-FC1C66CA2D57}
:http://histmag.org/generalne-gubernatorstwo-wysypisko-tysiacletniej-rzeszy-11864 Xx236 (talk) 07:13, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe: Nazi Rule in Poland under the General Government 

message: :SS and police leaders ruled the police in districts nad cities. 
:I believe that the role of Sonderdienst is overestimated.
Xx236 (talk) 07:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Bahnschutzpolizei. Xx236 (talk) 07:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Policing 

message: The GG was controlled not only by its government, but by SS and police (Himmler) and by some Reich administration. Hans Frank's power was limited, he had to fight.Xx236 (talk) 07:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administration 

message: The (German) Gendarmerie controlled villages and small towns, the Blue Police rather cities and towns.Xx236 (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:pl:Żandarmeria w Generalnym Gubernatorstwie]] 

message: :Peasants delivered taxes in nature as Kontingent. Only mentioned in the text, plus a picture of a death penalty poster.
:Cows and pigs were marked, unmarked animals were illegal.Xx236 (talk) 08:33, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:pl:Kontyngenty w okupowanej przez Niemców Polsce]] 

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message: https://www.hsozkult.de/publicationreview/id/rezbuecher-24802 Xx236 (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academic book about the GG 

message: A city uprisng - yes. But resistance in Zamość region started in 1942 and some call it an uprising.Xx236 (talk) 09:51, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warsaw Ghetto Uprising was the first armed uprising against the Germans in Poland 

message: German educational system should be described in one section, now it's mentioned at least twice.There existed school system for Germans.  Underground teaching should be mentioned. Education in Poland during World War IIXx236 (talk) 11:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education system 

message: There is a pro-Nazi text  which describes some aspects of German occupation.Xx236 (talk) 08:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  German culture 

message: A mysterious text about Marshal Petain and Norway. To be rewritten. Xx236 (talk) 09:27, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The section has been written by a student. This Wikipedia isn't a sandbox.Xx236 (talk) 09:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food supply 

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message: Martin Winstone writes about German colonialism in GG. I don't have English text to summarize it. Xx236 (talk) 12:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Winstone writes also about 310 000 POWs who died here before the Holocaust.Xx236 (talk) 12:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The General Government had the character of a type of colonial state 

message: I have reeplaced Gypsis with Romani people, which is probably more neutral. Please correct if I'm wrong. However the fate of them is shortly mentioned in the Demography section only. I believe that the Romani people should be mentioned in other sections.Xx236 (talk) 06:10, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romani people 

message: The section suggests that the GG was destroied in Summer 1944. It existed however till January 1945.Xx236 (talk) 05:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''History'' 

message: WInstone describes two parallel German administrations - the one of Hans Frank and the police one, controlled by Heinrich Himmler.Xx236 (talk) 11:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallel administrations 

message: Is this obvious for readers?
Parts of Poland were annected by three separate Gaue.Xx236 (talk) 11:24, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaue is plural of Gau 

message: Tne new area was organized as a district and incorporated into GG. Xx236 (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorporated into the [[District of Galicia]]. 

message: False. Occupation is defined by international law, Germany did not apply any international law there. The besetzte was a Nazi word  used during a short perios. We don't accept Nazi ideology here, do we?Xx236 (talk) 08:19, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
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thread_title:  was a German zone of ''occupation'' 

message: This rationale was utilized by the German Supreme Court to reassign the identity of all Polish nationals as stateless subjects,... - doubt, that this Bundesverfassungsgericht (founded 1951 !) is meant here. Ought to be corrected, shouldn't it ? --2001:A61:2A34:DF01:C917:80E8:1C28:2A98 (talk) 07:41, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''German Supreme Court'' 

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message: In the Food Supply section, there is a quote from Petain. The relevance of this quote to Poland is not apparent.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:A37F:F111:81C5:2E4E:3406:E406 (talk) 21:38, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petain quote 

message: Would it not be more sensible to use the english names of Lodz and Warsaw instead of the German exonyms. As an example, on the page for the Reichskommissariat Ukraine, the english exonym for Rivne is used instead of the German exonym Röwne.--Kappasi (talk) 18:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Use Of German Exonyms 

message: In the article it states that ". The territories it administered were never either in whole or part intended as any future Polish state within a German-dominated Europe".
This is factually wrong, in this article published by the Polish-government administered Institute of National Remembrance it states that initially the Germans had no real idea on what to do with the remainder of Poland, and that the idea of a Polish rump state was considered during the first months of the war, especially as a bargaining token with France and the UK. The idea was abandoned due to the western allies not budging and the Germans not finding suitable puppet leaders, as for example approached Wincenty Witos rejected the idea of becoming the leader of a puppet Poland. In addition, I've read both tomes of "Dzienniki Hansa Franka" by Stanisław Piotrkowski and in the beggining of the first tome Frank mentions the rejected idea of eventually giving governance to the Poles and keeping the rump state as a "Reservoir of Polish incompetence". 
https://pamiec.pl/pa/teksty/artykuly/54855,RESTPOLENquot-1939-tekst-dr-Tomasza-Cerana.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.77.157.124 (talk) 11:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conceptions of a Polish rump state did exist among the German leadership 

message: * What I think should be changed: The Ukrainian Central Committee was the only official entity authorized to operate and represent the Ukrainian population in the Generalgouvernement. (further information at the source reference provided)
* Why it should be changed: "Ukrainian Committees" are referred to in the plural, and there is a bracketed comment "[by whom?]" on the vagueness (which besides being unattributed is actually inaccurate)
* References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): http://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CU%5CK%5CUkrainianCentralCommittee.htm
Dho1 (talk) 19:00, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'by whom' was removed by another editor, and 'Ukrainian Committees' is also pluralized in the article. If you request has not been addressed, please reopen this request and clarify what you would like changed; you can say 'please change X to Y', citing the original or new reliable sources. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian Central Committee 

message: change ((Miechow)) to ((Miechów)) 2601:541:4580:8500:45F:F6ED:210F:2E13 (talk) 21:42, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:28, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Miechow

message: I propose merging List of rulers of the General Government into General Government. The former is a recently-created spin-off with just 1 source that does not actually say anything about the 3 office-holders. All three are already mentioned in the infobox here, and it's unclear why we need a separate article, as if we are likely to be confused as to in which order which of the 3 guys held office. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Hi, I'm not exactly sure how to do an "edit request", but here I am.
I believe that the territory's formal name, which is the General Governorate for the Occupied Polish Region, should be inserted into the infobox. General Government is the shortened and debatably still common and maybe even official name, but I think the territory's full title could be inserted as such:
Here, the common name is still kept as "General Government", which won't interfere with categorization and whatnot. I think that the specifics of the formatting could be worked out, but I think this stands as better per Wikipedia's principles of including the formal title of a territory/nation in the infobox. If the native_name section is too long, I think we could solve it through using a  template. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The longer name was quickly abandoned by Germans, as they wanted to avoid any reference to Polishness of the occupied territory; for most of its existence the official name of this entity was just General Government Marcelus (talk) 09:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: According to the article itself, the accurate formal name for the General Government (prior to 31 July 1940) was the "General Government for the Occupied Polish Territories" as opposed to "General Governorate for the Occupied Polish Region" or just "General Government" (which was used after 31 July 1940). I suggest that the names used be standardized in the article to avoid confusion and that the name space in the infobox be edited to included both names (like how the Nazi Germany page has both "German Reich" and "Greater German Reich") States of the World (talk) 23:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. thetechie@enwiki: ~/talk/ $ 03:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 May 2024