Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups/Archive 1

message: Archive created 15:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

message: Great tool! BTW, although the description says "Currently works on en.wikipedia.org, commons.wikimedia.org and (probably) en.wiktionary.org"  , I installed the tool on my user subpage  on ja.wikipedia and it works quite well. However, now I'm afraid if there was any problem (legal or technical) to use the tool on other languages... no? - Marsian / talk 07:19, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there's no problem. This page is just out of date. Lupin|talk|popups 00:30, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your reply. Now I can create the description page in Japanese on ja.wikipedia so that users there can enjoy this cool tool ;) Thanks again! - Marsian / talk 09:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Let me comment on your credit. Perhaps this is subtle matter but I wonder if it's better to change the comment line from current "// [[User:Lupin/..." to sharper "// [[w:en:User:Lupin/..." ? Of course there's URI pointing en.wikipedia and not many people would be confused but... anyway, just a suggestion. - Marsian / talk 16:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the reason I have that link is so I can see how many people are using it...  for example. I don't think that'd work with interwiki links. Lupin|talk|popups 22:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. - Marsian / talk 11:24, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it okay to use this tool on other languages (xx.wikipedia)? 

message: Is there a setting to change the default edit summary message for popup assisted disambiguation edits? I'd like to use the disambiguation project message: "disambiguation link repair (You can help!)" Gimboid13 20:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not at the moment. Lupin|talk|popups 22:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Good point. I've made the summaries customizable in the dev version - you can change the options popupRevertSummary, popupFixDabsSummary and popupFixRedirsSummary to whatever you like. You can also use %s in the string to get the variable bits (revision id for revert, old article and new article for the other two). Lupin|talk|popups 14:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  popupFixDabs message setting 

message: is it possible, to use mediawiki-templates in this tool for use in other languages? --Wikiwichtel
:That would be terribly slow I think, unless there's a clever way to do it that I haven't thought of. Remember that this is all happening client-side. Lupin|talk|popups 04:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: i18n

message: do i edit Lupin to be my username in the top of the script and the body as well? Or just the top line?
Gzuckier 15:55, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, just copy and paste it without changing anything. Lupin|talk|popups 04:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  dumb question 

message: (Please correct if this is wrong)
skin             	sub pages       	sub pages
skin             	javascrips (.js)	style sheet (.css)
MonoBook(default)	monobook.js     	monobook.css
Simple           	simple.js       	simple.css
Classic          	standard.js     	standard.css
Amethyst         	amethyst.js     	amethyst.css
MySkin           	myskin.js       	myskin.css
Cologne Blue     	cologneblue.js  	cologneblue.css
Nostalgia        	nostalgia.js    	nostalgia.css
Chick            	chick.js        	chick.css
So, I have little problem with that script. In plwiki I have classic skin. I created first page with monobook.js, and next page with classic.js. This done no effect in both. :( When I changed preferences from classic to monobook it given no effect too. Here are my pages on plwiki  and . Thanks for every answer and sorry for poor English. Przykuta 19:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. Sript of course is useful, but only for monobook skin. Is it possible make that script for others? Przykuta 22:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I might be wrong but I thought the names of javascript and CSS subpages for "Classic" skin were not "classic.xx", but "standard.js" and "standard.css"... weren't they? Hope this helps. - Marsian / talk 10:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Perhaps like the table on the right (If wrong, please correct). - Marsian / talk 10:51, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  question - other skins 

message: This is a great tool, by the way. I love it.
One comment on its usage: I've come across a couple of users bypassing lots of redirects using this tool. I don't think we should bypass redirects, as it's of little value (both get to the same page), and it clutters up the Wikicode. For example, SHA-1 is easier to read than SHA-1. There are quite a few benefits from keeping the WikiCode as clean and simple as possible, namely that it's less threatening for new Wikipedia editors, and it's easier to read and edit even for experienced editors. — Matt Crypto 10:43, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's much harm in bypassing redirects since the Wikicode isn't that complex and it does prevent some possible problems in the future. What if the article being linked to was moved (renamed) and the redirect wasn't updated? Now the link won't work at all because it's a double-redirect. I think redirects are essential for users who are searching for an article, but it makes sense to link as directly as possible in an article. My rule of thumb is to bypass the redirect if the redirect would never be made into a more specific article on the topic. For example, it makes sense to bypass the redirect from Fall to Autumn. It probably wouldn't be as good to bypass the redirect described in your example because it's possible that SHA-1 will eventually become it's own article. Carbonite | Talk 11:20, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The tradeoff seems to be that we make Wikicode more complex because there's some possibility that the article is moved later on, and that someone might forget to update the double redirects. Personally, I'd prefer cleaner Wikicode, and to run a bot to fix any double redirects. — Matt Crypto 11:27, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that there are good arguments both for and against bypassing redirects. If there were such a bot eliminating double-redirects automatically, I'd probably fall somewhat on the "against" side. For now, I personally prefer linking directly to articles whenever possible because I feel it's cleaner to eliminate the intermediate step of a redirect. There is the tradeoff of more slightly more complex Wikicode, but newbies aren't being required to bypass redirects. Carbonite | Talk 13:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree that it is not appropriate to bypass redirects in every case. I think it is sometimes appropriate to do so, though. From a pragmatic point of view, what would you recommend I do to the script? I'm unwilling to remove this functionality, but I could put a less encouraging popup hint (it currently says "Fix this redirect"). Any suggestions for a short snappy replacement? Lupin|talk|popups 00:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try "fuck up this link". --SPUI (talk) 01:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite what I had in mind. Any other offers? Lupin|talk|popups 18:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Perhaps "Bypass redirect", although I don't think this or "Fix this redirect" adequately describe the function. - Stoph 22:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Ah, ignore me. The explanation later explains better. It still uses some cpu cylces though - which with wikipedia being so slow is one way to improve (even if marginally).-Localzuk (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bypass redirects 

message: I want to translate this feature into Hebrew, What I need to do? Troll Refaim 21:21, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've given some hints on my talk page. It's not very straightforward, unfortunately. Lupin|talk|popups 05:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Update: translation is now much easier, in the dev version at least (which is working well right now). See the comments in User:Lupin/popupsdev.js and the list of strings at User:Lupin/popupStrings.js. Lupin|talk|popups 00:21, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: How can I change the edit summary given when I fix a redirect? Matt Yeager 03:59, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help, please

message: Attempting to disambiguate the minesweeper link on Blohm & Voss BV 138 causes Popups to load the wrong page. I assume this is related to & being a reserved character in HTML. I'm not sure if this is a bug in the script or whether the article just shouldn't have that title. Just lettering you know. Soo 16:16, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, definitely a bug. I'll have to fix that. Lupin|talk|popups 02:11, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible bug 

message: Has anyone else got this working on Firefox 1.5? I installed popups on my userspace but it seems to have no effect --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 22:49, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firefox 1.5 

message: I think there's a problem with the option:
 popupFixDabs=true;
When you click on a link at the bottom of the popup window, it automatically clicks "Show Changes" instead of the "Save" button. -- King of Hearts | (talk) 00:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is intentional. The tool attempts to change every link on a page; this is not always appropriate, as sometimes links to dab pages are needed. Thus the user should check the diff manually before submitting it. Lupin|talk|popups 01:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem 

message: The disambig tool also wipes out bookmarks, if present (example).  Is this the intended behaviour?
:I haven't thought about this, but the current behaviour does seem to make sense to me. This is because a valid bookmark on a disambig page will in general not be a valid bookmark on a page linked to from the disambig page. Lupin|talk|popups 03:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's strange. I used it successfully here to fix the same redirect. Which browser are you using? Can you duplicate the bug anywhere? Lupin|talk|popups 03:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the page where I had the problem, using Firefox 1.5, Ubuntu (Hoary Hedgehog). Maybe if reverted the problem would show up again?  Cleduc 04:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig bookmarks, articles in Wikipedia namespace 

message: See header. That would be nifty. Circeus 05:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This would be difficult, I think. At the very least it would involve extra network overhead. Lupin|talk|popups 05:39, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it possible for the pop-up to show redlinks? 

message: I get an "unresponsive script" warning when loading Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science. I am using Firefox 1.5 on Windows XP. I think popups are probably the cause since commenting out the popups code in monobook.js stops the warning.--Commander Keane 10:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for reporting this. There is a large number of links on that page, and when the page loads the script has to add popups to each one of them. I've split this process up into chunks in the dev version, so if you use that then this issue should hopefully be gone. Lupin|talk|popups 23:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "unresponsive script" warning 

message: How do you revert using Popups? Do you have to be an admin?  ⇒  JarlaxleArtemis 04:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, non-admins can revert with popups, although it is different to the admin capability. To do so, you have to locate a link to the revision of the article that you want to revert to (for example in a diff page or a history page). Then you should find a "revert" link in the popup. If your links appear in menus, then it's in the "actions" menu. Lupin|talk|popups 04:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting 

message: The "Air National Guard Installations" section of the List of U.S. Air Force bases article was poorly wikified, with the city and state set as separate links.  When I attempt to disambiguate the cities, Popups (BTW, a great tool!!) often does not show the links I am looking for.  As an example, on Port Clinton, it gives you the option to disambiguate to Pennsylvania or United States, but not the actual city links of Port Clinton, Ohio or Port Clinton, Pennsylvania.  Same thing for Bangor (Maine), Westfield (Massachusetts), Burlington (Vermont), and many, many more.  Is this a feature (aka I am not using it correctly) or a bug?  Thanks, Kralizec! 14:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be working correctly for me with Port Clinton and the other examples you gave. A list of all links appearing in the disambig page appears at the bottom of the popup. I'm using Firefox 1.5 - which browser are you using? Lupin|talk|popups 14:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am using IE 6.0.x on both my home and work computers.--Kralizec! | Talk 15:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for reporting this bug. It should now be fixed in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 17:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The dev version works like a charm!  Thanks, Kralizec!|talk 17:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query on popupFixDabs 

message: Lupin, thank you.  I thought you would appreciate this:  http://community.livejournal.com/wikipedians/69759.html
It prompted me to come here and ask a question.  I have a feeling the answer is the many-times-above-mentioned "too much server overhead", and if so, alas, so be it.
However, I simply must ask if it's possible to provide an actual mini-diff in the preview box if I hover over a "(diff)" or "(last)" link -- an answer to "what was this edit?".   Ideally it would provide the entire diff if it's a small edit (less than, say, 50 characters?), and some other kind of feedback if it's something bigger.  It would be brilliant to be able to scan my watchlist or a related changes page or a page history and not bother clicking the diffs that end up being "removed a comma" or "added a category" just to make sure it's not vandalism.  (Yes, yes, I know, everyone should be using informative edit summaries -- they don't.  And smart vandals lie anyway.) 
So is it possible?  Please?  Pretty please?  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be the only one who would worship the ground you walk on....  — Catherine\talk 07:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I second altmany 07:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: what'd be nice is if mediawiki served up diffs in a raw format without all the nasty html overhead that makes it slow. I'll think about this stuff. Lupin|talk|popups 22:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I have some client-side diffing going on in the dev version now. It's quite ugly, and stupid and slow at the moment, but that may change in time.... Lupin|talk|popups 22:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sooooo cool, Lupin! Please do keep up the good work :-))) altmany 13:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto that, just noticed all the pink and turquoise colouring on the diff links by accident. Are you saying the coding is ugly and stupid, or the functionality? I find it very useful as it cuts out the need to physically check a big chunk of your watchlist because it, well ... pops up the diffs :-) Perfect for smaller edits. Cactus.man ✍ 17:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well things have improved a bit since I wrote that :-) I do find them useful and I'm moderately happy with the technical side of things now, although they do still look ugly to me. Lupin|talk|popups 20:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't see this... Is there a reason? Do I need to use the dev. version or something? Circeus 01:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Lupin|talk|popups 01:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And howdo I do that, if Imay ask? Circeus 14:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added instructions to WP:POP. Lupin|talk|popups 02:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Ditto here. Circeus 03:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I am also very impressed.  This will genuinely save me a significant amount of time.  Thank you. Superm401 - Talk 01:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preview of (diff) and (last)? 

message: From daimyo The daimyo (大名, daimyō?) (daimyō ▶ (help·info)) were the most  the pop up just shows the empty The () Dalf | Talk 07:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. This should be at least partially fixed, although the empty brackets will still appear unless you set popupPreviewKillTemplates=false. Lupin|talk|popups 20:07, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  display bug on article with two () in first line 

message: Hi there! Using the popupsdev, but somehow it stopped working today on IE6/WinXP. javacode shows the error: Could not set the innerHTML property. Invalid target element for this operation. On line 4927. Does this info help? Greets, The Minister of War (Peace) 16:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that helps a lot! I've changed to User:Cacycle's diff code, which seems to be the cause of this. (It works in firefox). I've asked him for a fix. Lupin|talk|popups 17:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to have done the trick! Thanks once again for a speedy fix! The Minister of War (Peace) 19:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Euhmmmm, weeeeeell... then again.... there seems to be a problem with external links only (such as this one), which is rather bad because my browser actually freezes. No error code either, just a plain ol freeze. The Minister of War (Peace) 20:13, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The script shouldn't touch external links... I've changed back to my diff code, which I think should work in IE. Thanks for the feedback. Lupin|talk|popups 02:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code changed? Bug appeared! 

message: Not sure if it's just my setup, but when hovering over a diff link on any user contributions page the popup doesn't show the diff, as it does correctly on other pages, but shows the target page in question. Anybody else have this problem? --Cactus.man ✍ 11:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get diff previews on some diff links in contribution pages, but not all. Otherwise I just get the popup with links and no preview, especially when the diff is (top), which is often true in contribution pages. I think Lupin mentioned something about diff preview not working when the URL reads &diff=prev or &diff=next on the most recent edits. --Eddi (Talk) 13:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, some very odd behaviour going on. On a contribs page when the diff is (top) I get NO popup on the main link or the diff link. Otherwise I get a regular popup on both links. I cannot get a diff preview anywhere on a contribs page ?? All other pages seem to function perfectly. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:22, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My script requests specific revision IDs of raw wikitext from the server to generate its diffs. This is fine when the revision IDs are in diff urls (like diff=42312345&oldid=24121232) but when the urls say diff=prev, there's no way to  find out the right revision ID efficiently short of screen-scraping the history page, which is unpleasant and liable to break. I've written a patch which would fix this by supporting relative IDs when fetching raw wikitext, but no-one seems to want to apply it to Mediawiki. Lupin|talk|popups 01:09, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The (top) links should not function very differently to the others, though. They may preview more slowly, since the data is less likely to be cached by the servers, but the preview should still appear... please send me some urls I can test if you notice this again, and remind me which browsers you're using. Thanks! Lupin|talk|popups 01:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is the same for me on ALL contributions pages. No matter how long I hover over a "top link" a popup never appears for either the link itself or the diff and history links. For the other links the diff popup always gives the regular article preview, not the diff preview. This is with Firefox 1.5.0.1. I just tried it in IE 6.0.2900.2180 and popups doesn't seem to work at all !! --Cactus.man ✍ 09:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: With the latest dev version I have to modify my above observations. (I used an outdated version earlier.) On my contribs page none of the previews are diff previews, there is no difference between (top) or not, and there is no difference between hist, diff and page links. For articles I get article preview, for article talk I get talk preview, and for article sections I get section preview. The exception is articles with only tables and no plain text, resulting in popups with navigation links but no preview. I use Opera in Linux. --Eddi (Talk) 15:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For Lupin's information I forgot to say I am also using the dev version on Win XP SP2. --Cactus.man ✍ 15:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All these issues should now be resolved. Please holler if something still doesn't work for you. Lupin|talk|popups 02:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a bunch as usual. I now get diff previews on Contribs pages, yay :-) But since you asked, I am HOLLERING: The (top) links still do not give any popups for me on contribs pages. I am running the dev version on Firefox 1.5.0.1, Win XP SP2. One final outrageous request - can you do a Jim'll Fix It and fix the rest of Teh Internets so that popups works outside of Wikipedia. I get so confused in the real world when there are no popups when hovering over links. Thanks in advance :-) --Cactus.man ✍ 10:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Preview of (diff)

message: Somehow, I cannot bypass redirects anymore. --Ixfd64 10:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This feature annoyed some people (see above) so it's turned off by default. You have to set an option to enable it - I forget the exact name, see WP:POP for details. Lupin|talk|popups 13:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  redirection bypass function broken? 

message: The Pops dont seem to work anymore. On WinXP, IE6, the JS error reads: Expected identifier, string or number, in char 3 on line 3687. Damn you have that much lines? Respect! Greets, The Minister of War (Peace) 09:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JS error 

message: The popups for the dev version seem to be transparent.  I'm not sure if this is deliberate, but it makes them significantly less readable. Superm401 - Talk 06:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See also User_talk:Lupin#Transparent_background ++Lar: t/c 06:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transparent Diffs 

message: Guys, I love the navagation popups!  Everyone should use it!  One thing I would like to see, however, is when you hover over a movie link, that the image in the movie infobox doesn't appear on the popup. Anyway to get that to work?  We're attempting to have an infobox on every film page...  Steve-O 16:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at this in the dev version. I'll upload it in a moment. Lupin|talk|popups 22:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the great effort on this!  I tested out the change, and most but not all images in the infoboxes show up.  I'm not really sure why some don't and some do.  For example, go to "List of film noir" and you'll see that some work and some don't (most of the pages there have images in infoboxes).  Thanks again!   Steve-O 16:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback. I've fixed stuff up a bit more in the dev version. Do let me know if you find any stubborn pages with infobox images that don't show. Lupin|talk|popups 00:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popup images within Infoboxes 

message: I'm running Opera 8.51 and I just installed this tool.  After a few minutes of usage Opera just crashes on me.  I haven't even done anything with it; I just use the popups to go to say, the talk page; I haven't done any reverting or any of that sort yet.  But it has crashed 3 times just 3-4 minutes after i begin using it.  What other details should I include in describing this problem? - Hbdragon88 05:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd send a bug report to Opera. I'm typing this in Opera 8.52 on Linux, and have noticed no ill effects in the past 5 minutes of usage. It shouldn't be possible for javascript to crash a browser, so if this is happening then it's a browser bug. Lupin|talk|popups 05:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm using Opera 8.51 for 95% of my edits using these popup system. It crashed only once. So from my experience, this is not related to Opera ! Lvr 00:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: More feedback regarding this issue: Opera crashes more often these last days. Netscape (7.0) also: I'm not able to look at my watchlist at all with Nescape. It crashes immediately. I removed the popups, and Netscape works again. Workaround: I don't use Netscape any longer !!! Lvr 10:17, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also am experiencing Opera (8.52) crashing on my *a lot* recently while using popups :( Its been happening more recently. Seems to happen when hovering mouse over a link before the popup appears. Running windows xp. I think you reporting any further bug reports to Opera (as you say I assume it is an Opera bug as it shouldn't crash, even if there is something wrong in the javascript) would make more sense as you know your own code! Petros471 20:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I can't duplicate this crash, so I'd have a hard time submitting an accurate bug report. Lupin|talk|popups 02:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

text: That was short.  While loading a page Opera 8.53 crashed. Removing popups... - Hbdragon88 22:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting (if slightly depressing) that you mention that, I've been running Opera 9.0 as a separate install from my main 8.53, and no crashes at all using that (so far!). 8.53 still crashes... Petros471 17:55, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: And...removed again.  It crashed after some ten minutes of usage.  I'll wait for Opera 9.0 final.  Heh, this reminds me of waiting for Opera 7.60 (which would become 8.0 later) so I could get native Gmail support. - Hbdragon88 05:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crashes Opera 

message: This feature needs a usage guide. It took me ages to work out how to use the revert functionality for example. The feature list is a start, but we need more than that.WolfKeeper 02:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding the explanation to the page. If you want to go further and start some clearer documentation this would be great. Lupin|talk|popups 03:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage guide?

message: I made this redirect bypass with popups  and instead of making the piped redirect 10th Mountain Division, it made it 10th Mountain Division.  I have not seen this behavior before.  Any clues?  --rogerd 03:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for finding this bug - I hope it's fixed now. Lupin|talk|popups 03:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  strange behavior 

message: Hiya Lupin ... was the ARIN lookup feature for IP addresses removed on purpose? I used that almost every day, and kind of miss it. --Aaron 18:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's a bug! I'll fix it in a moment in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 00:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARIN lookup removed? 

message: I got a small problem with the popup today. I cannot say if it is due to this new version. I'm watching the Quick & Flupke article. When I put my mouse over it, the popup shows me the Quick article instead ! Lvr 00:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the bug report - this is fixed in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 01:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "&" problem is fixed, but the general problem with special characters described earlier seems to continue. --Eddi (Talk) 23:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This issue should now be resolved. Lupin|talk|popups 02:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quick & Flupke

message: Is there a reason the menu does not link to the log for the active page?  That would be a useful option. Superm401 - Talk 04:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please could you tell me which URL you'd like a link to in, say, the popup for this page? (I don't use Special:Log much, and am unfamiliar with its intricacies). Lupin|talk|popups 02:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Wikipedia%20talk:Tools/Navigation%20popups , which gives you all the "actions" for the page (upload, deletion, protection, page move, etc.) Superm401 - Talk 02:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Log Link

message: Hey, I don't really know what I'm doing at all, and I'm trying to get popups to work, but it isn't. Can anybody help? I think I did the change right (I use classic skin) but it still isn't working, and I tried clearing my cache already. -Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy) 07:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I managed to get this to work, but only on monobook. I still can't seem to figure out how to get it to work on classic. Can anybody help me figure out why? -Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy) 08:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More specifically, on classic I only seem to get the menu popups, but no preview of articles. It's all a bit dodgy. (Works for me on monobook, though, but I'd really prefer to use classic.) -Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy) 09:17, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: You should remove the "simplePopups=true;" option in your standard.js file, like you have done in monobook.js. If it still doesn't work after clearing the cache, try to specify more options. For some examples of options, see my monobook.js or standard.js. --Eddi (Talk) 15:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help?

message: The printable version of the article page has some images overlaying the text at Features. David 01:46, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Printable version 

message: When hovering over a link near the lower part of my display, the popup opens such that most of it is below the viewable window, unlike other popups which seem to be aware of screen location and "flip" the popup above the cursor - the tool seems to be aware of the left and right sides of the display.  Firefox 1.5. David 21:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This also happens in Linux Opera 8.50, dev version. However, I'm able to scroll within the popup using the mouse wheel, and if the link is at the bottom of the page as well as the window, some white space is added to the page to allow for scrolling. --Eddi (Talk) 02:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also in Linux with Firefox 1.5, although for me the browser notices that the page has expanded and adds a little space to the scroll-bar making it possible to scroll down (using my wheelmouse anyways) to access the rest of the menu. Ewlyahoocom 05:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I. FireFox 1.5, Windows XP, running dev version of tool. For me it does not add anything to the scroll bar. This behaviour has been here a long time, as long as I can remember, and I sort of just compensate for it by never opening stuff at the very bottom, but scrolling first to make room. ++Lar: t/c 14:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Me too, although I have been in the habit of holding shift and dragging the popup further up the screen if I forget to scroll up first. Thanks to this thread I now see that I can also use the scrollwheel - brilliant. --Cactus.man ✍ 15:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug at bottom of window? 

message: I have some problems. The first "%s" in the revert summary is date and not previous contributor's ip/user name. Is that legally to copie the code from "User:Lupin/popups.js" and create a own popups.js, only with this fix? I will create a own revert summary; "Revert to last version by %s using popups" (marked as minor edit). I can't javascript, so a simple description to what i must edit in the code in my own popups.js to fix this is welcome. Fdp 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, you can if you want to. Better would be for me to let you use $1 $2 $3 instead of/as well as %s. I'll think about this some more. Lupin|talk|popups 04:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've implemented this change in the dev version. You should now be able to use 'Revert to revision by $2' and it should do what you want. (Note that such a summary is ambiguous, since popups don't always revert to the last revision by a particular editor). Lupin|talk|popups 02:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced %s, %s, %s with $1, $2, $3 in one of the strings like this. Will it work? If it does, strings are more flexible than ever, both for general translation and for specific configuration by individual users. --Eddi (Talk) 02:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Works fine, great, brilliant! Well done! You're approaching your next star, just so you know it. :) (But also note the possible time stamp bug.) --Eddi (Talk) 04:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: It should work, yes. Don't try to alter that variable though, use the option popupExtendedRevertSummary instead. (Don't let the lack of $n in the script fool you, it should understand both the new syntax and the old syntax). Lupin|talk|popups 00:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, thanks - I'll give it a try. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I modified this string in my personal string file, which is based on the strings of the dev version, and it worked fine. But I see the point in tailoring monobook.js instead of some general string file, because that file may be shared between several users, especially if the file is translated, even if it's located in one individual's user space. I think I'll revert the general file to %s and leave the $'s to monobook.js. --Eddi (Talk) 03:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert summary 

message: I run Firefox 1.5.0.1 on Win XP SP2, and frequently suffer from unresponsive script warnings on Contribs and Log pages where &limit=500 or greater. In these cases I switch to IE, but popups does not work AT ALL for me on IE. Any ideas how to fix this anyone? Thanks. --Cactus.man ✍ 11:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that this is not caused by the popups, but it still my fault. I committed a change to mediawiki CVS that lets you shift-click to select ranges of checkboxes. This made pages with long bullet lists load slowly, which could be the cause of your problem (or it could be the popups, I'm not sure at the moment). I've since committed what I believe is a fix for the checkbox issue, but it hasn't been made live yet. So I'm going to wait and see if that fixes things before looking for answers in the popups script :) Lupin|talk|popups 02:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure why things don't work at all for you in IE, but note that Zocky's picture popups aren't IE-compatible. I'd suggest disabling them for IE stuff and see if popups start working. Lupin|talk|popups 02:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, OK. Thanks for the answer. I'll just wait and see if your mediawiki fix sorts things out. It's not that big a deal to click "stop script" on a few alert boxes in the meantime. Also, I don't know what you've changed in the dev version, but I now get popups and diff previews on (top) links on contribs pages. :-) Fantastic, keep up the good work. --Cactus.man ✍ 09:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: popups and IE6

message: Popups seem to be working fine except for that I can't access the submenus. When I put the cursor over the 'actions' menu, it shows the menu, but if I move the cursor off the 'actions', the menu dissappears, meaning that I can't access any of the features. Perhaps some of my browsers settings are interfering? ---Marcus- 18:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popups and Mozilla v. 1.6 

message: In your insertDiff function, you use toLocaleString() to output a Date object.  This is actually confusing because I've set all my other Wikipedia dates to use UTC time.  Could you change it to toUTCString(), or at least provide this as an option? Superm401 - Talk 02:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the dev version, you can now set popupDiffDatePrinter='toUTCString' and it should do what you want. Lupin|talk|popups 01:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Superm401 - Talk 21:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Cool, a bug I anticipated :) I like those. Should now be fixed in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 02:04, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locale String

message: Hi, long time user, first time caller. OK not really, I've posted here before. Anyway, I've noticed a behaviour starting a few days/weeks ago that I'm not sure I like, wondering if others see it too. If I am editing an article and I place text containing a link () in my cut buffer (because I deleted it or want to move it, etc). that link gets popped up. This can be disconcerting because it's in the way, and it isn't something I wanted. Worse, it freezes editing, so if I am furiously typing away, any keystrokes after the cntl-x or cntl-c are lost until I clear the popup away. Is this just me? Is it stoppable? I briefly looked at the options but may have missed one... or is this what popupOnEditSelection controls? Thanks. ++Lar: t/c 12:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: C'mon now, you gotta at least give the developer(s) a clue as to which operating system and browser you're using. Ewlyahoocom 15:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I guess. (they should remember! hahaha)... Win XP SP2, Firefox 1.5 (IBM internal version). But I think that switch popupOnEditSelection might be it??? ++Lar: t/c 16:00, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the switch you want. Lupin|talk|popups 01:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut buffer interaction? 

message: Edit counter option gives wrong URL in finnish Wiktionary:
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?dbname=wiktionary_p&user=Hartz
It should be:
http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?user=Hartz&dbname=fiwiktionary_p
Thanks. --HartzR 15:52, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the bug report. I've tried to fix this in the dev version, but haven't tested it. Lupin|talk|popups 01:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tested the dev version and it's working! --HartzR 07:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit count and Wiktionary 

message: A discussion has started at Talk:Nintendo_Revolution#The_new_references about whether it's possible for popups to preview a reference that's pointed to.  Appreciate any thoughts on whether this is possible already, whether it's technically possible (enhancement request?) or perhaps there's another approach which can solve this scenario?  Thx. --OscarTheCattalk 20:13, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That shouldn't be too difficult.  Based on the existing script, you can something like this:
 
 var anch=decodeAnchor(pg.current.article);
 var note=document.getElementById(anch);
 setPopupHTML(note.innerHTML...);
--Superm401 - Talk 23:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, this feature is now in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 02:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job.  That was really quick. Superm401 - Talk 04:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, that's pretty rapid.  Cheers. --OscarTheCattalk 07:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previewing of references using popups 

message: Are you aware that your tool is not only a helpful to revert vandalism, but also to silence unwanted content edits? I'd appreacaite, if you would condems misuse in such a manner. Thank, you. --Fossa 03:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you be more specific about what you are referring to? Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I assume he's referring to the automatic revert link.  However, edit warriors will always find a way to ply their trade; two extra clicks won't stop them. Superm401 - Talk 04:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe if we add a third click :) Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:14, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Superman401 is right, that's what was referring to. Problem is, that Popups includes a revert message that expresses even more disdain to the reverted author than no comment at all. I realize that the included Version-id- s meant to encourage transparency, but the "using popups" part sounds (and often is) a robotic message. How about putting "Reverted User:XY 's edit to User:ZY's edit" as the default messsage?--Fossa 03:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is less trivial than you might think, and I personally don't see the need for this feature and so my motivation for coding and testing it is quite low. I'd be happy to take a look at someone else's code, though. Lupin|talk|popups 04:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misuse 

message: If a template in the article happens to have an undefined "image" variable, (eg, |image=|foo=bar in the source), the script will detect an image even though there is none in the article. Circeus 02:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Script detect inexistant images 

message: On the latest revision of the article Jim Cummings I get a "Bad word: constructor" error using popups. It says to report it, so there you go. --Closedmouth 03:14, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error 

message: If I view a diff page, hover over the link to the old version on the left-hand side, then choose to revert to that version, I get a blank edit summary. I've switched on the option to let me edit the summary, and it shows (null). Edit summaries work correctly if I choose the version from the history page. JRawle (Talk) 16:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Null edit summary when reverting from diff page 

message: Is there also some kind of changelog what has been implemented and what has been fixed in previous releases....
:There's nothing formal like this, no. You could try the edit summaries in the history of User:Lupin/popups.js (and probably less usefully, User:Lupin/popupsdev.js) though. Lupin|talk|popups 03:21, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  changelog 

message: Would using this tool dramatically increase the amount of data downloaded? I.e. does it automatically load all the pages to which the current page links?
- s<span
style='font-size:7.5pt;mso-bidi-font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif";color:red'>Y</span><span
style='mso-bidi-font-family:"Microsoft Sans Serif"'>ndicate</span> talk 14:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not how it works. Preview data is fetched on demand. Lupin|talk|popups 03:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hellkom]] 

message: Go wiki go! Woooooow! I whish I had know this about 1 year ago! Wooooow! great guys! Msoos 23:35, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mind-blowing! 

message: I would say I'm mid-level at this stuff. I'm not a beginner, but I'm certainly nowhere near the complexity of this kind of thing. I saw the link to the overlib in the main article and I've wanted to add something like this to my own site. I'm just curious if there is some kind of modification I can make to that script (ie, I'm curious what method this script uses) to a) load the popup contents on demand, and b) not actually require any javascript function called in the href tag. Forgive me if it's a stupid quetsion. Thanks very much.
:As far as I know, you need some javascript to do the AJAX bit, which fetches data on demand. There are various libraries around which you can use to make this less painful. Overlib isn't actually used in the script any more, but that was just used to display the popups, not to provide their contents. Lupin|talk|popups 01:40, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that overlib is just the script that causes the popup (in an older version), but I'm just wondering how the current script calls the popup on without any script at all in the href tags (but only certain href tags that link to a wiki article. It's a really cool script. TheHYPO 17:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not that complicated, in principle. The script iterates over all links in the page, figures out which ones are internal wiki links and associates mouseovers on those links with popup functions. These functions then grab the data and display it. Lupin|talk|popups 03:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you load on demand? 

message: I think it would be nice if you had an option similar to the set summary for reverts and set summary prompt for reverts to add options to be able to set summary and summary prompt for dab fixes, redirect fixes, and link removals as well. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I've gotta say, I love Popups. They're just amazing- they make everything so much easier. Just a quick question: is there any way to mark reversions as minor edits? Thanks for making popups! They're great! --Darth Deskana (Darth Talk) 21:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the best way to do that is just hit the "minor edit" button really really fast. --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?) 20:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marking reversions as minor edits 

message: This is the best software ever.  What would it take to get it integrated into the "my preferences" section of Wikipedia?  I think a lot of people would love this and momentum would build.  Are there a group of popups-boosters out there?  --Dwiki 08:49, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advocacy? 

message: This is an amazing piece of software. However, sometimes the difference in an edit(on my watchlist, for example) doesn't always show up in a popup. Is there a way to fix this? --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?) 18:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, don't know. I see this too, now and again... most annoying. Lupin|talk|popups 04:45, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  View "diff" 

message: Out of curiosity, what is the use of adding a null edit to an entry, making no changes whatsoever to a wiki artile? Cowman109Talk 22:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's the same as purging the cache (i.e., putting "?action=purge" at the end of an article's URL). --Closedmouth 02:57, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Null edit? 

message: Can someone plz tell me why I only see a few lines of preview when I hover over a link. At the most its 10. Whereas the screenshot in Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation_popups shows about 20+. My options set in my monobook.js file are:
popupSubpopups=true; popupPreviews=true; simplePopups=false; popupImages=true; removeTitles=true; popupPreviewFirstParOnl=false;
:You're missing a y: it should be popupPreviewFirstParOnly, not popupPreviewFirstParOnl. Lupin|talk|popups 00:07, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only see a small preview 

message: I'm generally very happy with popups, it works nicely, even on the German WP. Thanks for that!
However, in three cases out of 100+, popups made me restore vandalism rather than revert it, i.e. it reverted to the wrong version. Here they are: , , .
This happened when someone else was faster at reverting than I was. I hit 'revert' while seeing the diff between the last clean and the vandalized version. 
My configuration: Firefox 1.5.0.2 and XP Pro SP2, and, as you see, German WP. At that time, there was only popups in my monobook.js (I've now added godmode light for reverting).
It appears to me like popups doesn't go back to the (absolute) revision #foobar, but rather to the (relative) version "this-and-that-many edits back in time". This leads you into trouble, provided the revision history has changed in the meantime, and provided the software re-reads it before reverting.
Note that among the three edits linked above, the first two go one step back in time, while the third one goes two steps back in time as intended, however ending up restoring the first vandal edit but not the second one. Hope that helps, --DerHerrMigo 07:15, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I think you've uncovered a nasty bug - thanks! Here's my diagnosis: for most links, this will never happen, but this will always happen if you use links like the diffs in contribs pages. This should be fixed in the dev version. Lupin|talk|popups 04:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug: reverts to wrong version (sometimes) 

message: Hello,
A small suggestion for your script who is very good : to see the notes when there are in the popup. For example, I was in a page, with notes As this, and when we point the cursor on this, the article appear, but it could be better with the note in the popup.
That was a small suggestion, because I saw it. Thank you for your script, it's very well.
Nyro Xeo 14:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should already work, in the dev version at least. Lupin|talk|popups 04:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for script popup 

message: Hi, I use opera 8.53, WInXP Pro, I have cleared my cache several times and followed a previous suggestion to make sure the comments have two slashes and not just one and I still can't make the pop ups work. I have enabled pop ups in my browser just in case and still nothing! Please help? Jaberwocky6669 04:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem, maybe