Talk:Former toponyms in Greece

message: I repeat what I wrote a while ago. The title is totally misleading. This article includes place names whose origin is Slavic, Albanian, Greek, Ottoman Turkish and probably a few Roman/Vlach names for good measure. Also, some of the 'Slavic' places are actually adaptations of the Greek. Deleting it seems like a reasonable proposition. Politis (talk) 17:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've said it further above: A "Slavic toponym" is a toponym used in a Slavic language. Not more and not less. Etymology doesn't come into it. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Without prejudice

message: There have been new articles generated out of this one regarding 'Slavic toponyms'. Since the titles are in doubt and the issue is pending, the other article should be deleted. Politis (talk) 19:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Issue nor resolved, articles to be deleted

message: I'm just going to ask straight up: Is Simovski a reliable source from which to extract information about Slavic toponyms of Greek places? Please, nobody repeat the crap found in the above sections, or on user talk pages, just answer the question. BalkanFever 11:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No ,find the sources he quotes and others quote and take the data from there.Even if he is right in some of the names he is controversial in many aspects.Megistias (talk) 11:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Simovski is not consistently reliable. He was from Greek Macedonia (called Simos) and emotionally attached to his ideology (Communism). He designed the final 'ethnic map' of Macedonia for the newspaper Nova Makedonija that was circulated after 1991. He belonged to the generation that was 'over-enthusiastic' in establishing the Slavonic names in northern Greece and, in the process, occasionally went over the top. But the problem lies with the title of the article and the offspring of articles it has generated by one editor. Politis (talk) 15:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Everyone is saying that Simovski is unreliable? Has anyone cited anything showing that he is wrong by a reliable source? Should we consider Greek sources unreliable as well as they have consistently tried to deny or minimize the glaring fact that the population of Greek Macedonia was not wholly Greek prior to the 1920s. If, as you say, the problem is the title, what title do you propose so that we remove all the garbage that is being added and keep the cited content being removed by a small POV-pushing group? I find it bizarre that this POV-pushing group fails to understand the mixed ethnic picture of pre-1920s Macedonia and wants to suppress information about it. The Ancient Greeks are credited with inventing history (although Herodotus is a biased source as well), it is a shame that some modern-day Greeks who claim descent from them are so pre-occupied with burying history rather than respecting and embracing it. Perhaps that's another reason that the Elgin marbles will not be going to Athens anytime soon. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's get to the point 

message: This article only talks about toponym changes in Greek Macedonia.  But toponyms were changed all over Greece. We'll need to find some good sources for this....  --Macrakis (talk) 19:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Toponyms outside Macedonia

message: In my understanding, "Arvanitika" is a distinct variant of Albanian spoken mainly in Attika and the surrounding islands. The albanian-speakers of Western Macedonia presumably spoke a variety of Albanian close to that spoken in the adjacent Albanian region around Lake Prespa. Denoting every Albanian-speaker in Greece as Arvanitis is linguistically not justified. See also Cham Albanians. In this context, it would important to know how these speakers called their language themselves and how ther language was called by their neighbours.  Andreas  (T) 13:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arvanitika 

message: The local slavic language has no writing form. Therefore since this is an article in english i suggest the cyrilic form is invalid. I suggest the English pronounciation rules are better used. Any objections in removing the cyrillic? Jarlaxl (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree in principle. Cyrillic characters should only be used here when it can be shown that they were actually used locally, for example before incorporation into the Greek state. During the Bulgarian occupation of Eastern Macedonia and Thrace, Cyrillic characters were used by the occupying administration, but I do not think that this counts. Similarly in Western Macedonia during the Civil War. Another problem is spelling: there are contiuning arguments whether to use Maceonian or Bulgarian spelling, or maybe both. Also, to use Cyrillic for toponyms that are not Slavic, but Turkish or even Greek. seems odd.  Andreas  (T) 14:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyrillic characters?