Talk:Extended-range bass

message: Alright, I wrote this article on the subject of ERBs. I think it deserves its own article, and I don't think it should be merged into Bass Guitar, because the ERB is as much, and more, a different instrument from the bass guitar as the 7-string guitar is to the six-string, or the acoustic bass guitar to the electric bass guitar (both of which have their own articles).
* Are you sure about the "octave lower than a normal bass" thingamagig in the article intro? For what it's worth, the lower E string would be pretty much useless (being mostly below the range of human hearing). --Tirolion 06:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

message: Note: Some of the names,dates and facts are the opion of the author of the text above. For instance,the 6 string bass was in existance in 1960. The low B string was first used on the Chapman Stick in 1974.Was Fodera building basses in 1975? If so, where is the 1975 Fodera 6-string?  If this is about history,how did custom bass builders add an F# and C# string? Where did those strings come from and why? The 10-string bass may have nearly the same range as a grand piano,but the 97 note ,12-string bass DOES have the same range as a grand piano.Only one exists.Why isn't it mentioned? The bass guitar had 6 strings for over 40 years. Why is the person(s) who introduced the conept of 7 plus strings on a bass guitar in the 1980's left out? Could it be certain manufacturers would like to re-write history? Some feel that Wikipedia is going to loose validity because writers like the one who wrote the above article haven't done enough research. There is a paper trail that documents the begining of the 4 and one half octave bass guitars....and it has nothing to do with the "History" at the top of this page.Unless you have first hand knowledge of these elements,why write about this subject?
[This should be in discussion, and not the actual article itself]
Correction to what you wrote above: Actually, two 12 string ERBs exist: Yves Carbonne plays a fretless, and Garry Goodman plays a fretted. 69.116.201.54 (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Raw text to be worked into article

message: Note this was discussed at the conflict of interest noticeboard here Smartse (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's ridiculous! I don't have any conflict of interest at all when it comes to musicians, this musician, or even the general topic of "music". You, on the other hand, have a significant conflict of interest and shouldn't be edit warring over getting him into articles. The only reason I have removed your sections about Carbonne is that I've read the deletion discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yves Carbonne and the discussions on the talk pages like  Talk:Bass_guitar#Addition_of_Bassists_and_Bands_2 and I see absolutely no support for including this information, quite the opposite actually, and so I remove it. And it's been removed by a number of editors, not just me, but it's been restored only be you. I would be very grateful if you would stop trying to bully me, threatening me, and accusing me of crazy things simply because I have reverted your edits. Thank you. 121.220.36.117 (talk) 15:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

text: FYI, Garry Goodman is notable as a Höfner fretless player. They list him recording with Robert John, Thelma Houston,The Fifth Dimension, Big Joe Turner, Little Anthony, Jimmy Rogers, Frankie Avalon, and The Penguins. Just a sanity check here... Binksternet (talk) 17:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, Carbonne is a noted Jerzy Drozd fretless player. What is your point, once again?? Look up the google hits on Carbonne vs. Garry Goodman (only Garry Goodman the bassist - subtract all those hits that refer to other people with his name), if you want to turn this into a competition, which it should not be.  He has little or no fan base (look on myspace, youtube (where he doesn't allow anyone to add comments or ratings to his videos), and look on Carbonne's own website, in Carbonne's forum: Goodman constantly uses Carbonne's OWN forum to nauseatingly promote himself.  http://www.yvescarbonne.com/   It's pathetic. So, yeah, he is not notable. The reference you provided does not support notability. And it's funny - you keep predictably coming back to attack Carbonne, just as 121.220.36.117 does.  Interesting.TruthBeTold (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I chose that reference for Goodman because it is not something he put up himself. It honestly establishes him as a noted Höfner fretless player. That's all I'm saying. I don't care about his actions elsewhere, or about a comparison of blogs and forums which are unusable as references. Your comment "And it's funny - you keep predictably coming back to attack Carbonne, just as 121.220.36.117 does" means what, exactly? Are you accusing me of meat puppetry? That's a laugh. I never heard of Carbonne or Goodman before this tempest in a teapot spilled over into an article I was keeping an eye on. I have much better things to do with my Wiki time than referee a pissing match such as this. Carbonne's notability was established by the article in Bass Musician; an appropriately small note about him should remain in this article. Goodman's achievements should also have an appropriately small presence here, without such unprovable assertions as "His latest generation of bass strings do not require any special speakers to be heard clearly." I am guessing this would mean that the strings have a high degree of harmonic content and a relatively low degree of fundamental tone—not something I'd be promoting as an extended range string maker. There's far too much Goodman material in 121's version of this page. All that detail should go into a notional Garry Goodman page. Binksternet (talk) 18:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I do just fine editing pages containing information previously unfamiliar to me. I feel that a fresh approach is sometimes necessary to relieve a logjam of partisan editors. If I decide to help out here, Carbonne and Goodman will both get a small mention. Binksternet (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Binksternet, please don't be misled by TLCBass. I am not a partisan in this matter. I am not in anyway connected to Gary Goodman or any other musician. I don't care either way about Goodman or Carbonne and don't care if either, neither or both end up being mentioned in this article or others. I am only concerned with the integrity of Wikipedia and I object to TLCBass deciding and enforcing what information Wikipedia will host about Carbonne when she has previously admitted to being here at his direction. She is a SPA (100% of her edits are devoted to trying to enforce content on Carbonne) with a COI. I have never added any information about Goodman to any page of Wikipedia - it was another editor who added that information and it just happened to be in the previous version when I reverted TLCBass's edits. I don't have a special preference for that version of the article. I don't have a problem with an experienced and uninvested editor making a content decision regarding this matter and if you feel that it would be appropriate to include mention of Carbonne and/or Goodman, there will be no objections from me. So please feel free to go ahead with editing if you feel inclined. 121.220.36.117 (talk) 14:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood! Thanks for the note. Binksternet (talk) 16:36, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't have a dog in this hunt. I have no motives to suspect. Your sense that I'm following you around stems from the fact that I was keeping an eye on Bass guitar when this Carbonne conundrum came to the fore in several articles at once. Once I identify an editor whose additions are problematic, I check out their other work to see if anything needs to be adjusted or reverted. I make no apologies for looking into your "TLCbass" editing history, or into the history of User:THSL, 58.164.114.58, 121.214.55.120, or 69.116.201.54. This is a normal activity for a careful editor. Binksternet (talk) 16:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed, The article should mention Garry Goodman and not Yves Carbonne. Smartse (talk) 13:50, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I've added back the Garry Goodman info from a previous edit. I'll leave it to other editors to decide whether the info is correct. Smartse (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I've copyedited the whole article, getting rid of redundancy, peacock and promotional bits. I added fact tags to three of the history paragraphs. Binksternet (talk) 15:36, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you both for working on the article. I'm grateful it is been copy edited in full by people not connected with the artists. 124.181.137.158 (talk) 15:04, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: CONFLICT OF INTEREST ALERT: 121.220.36.117

message: The troubles on this article have come to the attention of admins, and have led to the full protection of this article. Try to work out the conflicts here on the Talk page, and convince the other editors. Information that can be backed up by reliable sources (not just personal opinions) has precedence. A number of participants in the edit war could wind up being sanctioned if the war continues when protection expires. If you want to complain about conflict of interest, do so over at WP:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. This page is for discussing what material should go in the article, not the weaknesses or poor judgment of the other editors here. EdJohnston (talk) 23:15, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article protected for three days 

message: I took out text referring to "the lowest note", not because I don't think Carbonne achieved this, but because I think NOBODY can achieve this. There is no lowest note. Binksternet (talk) 12:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "lowest" appears in neither of your links. --Onorem♠Dil 19:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Again, I'm not seeing where this statement is explicitly made in any of your references. Please post the specific sentence that backs up the claim. --Onorem♠Dil 20:09, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If any statement about lowest note is to appear here, it will need to be worded in a very specific style and supported by a very specific reference. Binksternet (talk) 21:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, there is no "lowest range possible". Frequencies can keep going lower and lower until we're talking about seconds per cycle rather than cycles per second. The ridiculously inutile low frequency notes that have been reached are already outside of normal human hearing. Why argue about who has gone farther outside of human hearing? Is the audience elephants and whales? Binksternet (talk) 00:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lowest Note 

message: There are several bassists in the Notable players section that do not have pages on Wikipedia. Wouldn't this make them non-notable, therefore needing to be removed from the section? — Tha†emoover†here (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Players