Talk:Dayalbagh Educational Institute

message: I am adding these additional citations to prevent future vandalism and provide a one-stop avenue for anyone wishing to know more about the importance of the matter.
# PhD student rape case transferred outside UP, May 1, 2017. Times of India []
# Supreme Court of India orders transfer of Neha Sharma murder case trial outside UP, Apr 30, 2017. Times of India []
# Neha Sharma murder case: Charges framed against lab technician for tampering with evidence, 28 November 2016. Indian Express. []
# Neha Sharma murder case: Agra court sends prime accused to jail, 30 May 2016. India Today []
# Family of girl raped, killed in Agra lab wants case shifted, 29 May 2016. Times of India []
# Research scholar’s ‘murder’ in Agra: Being pressured to withdraw case, says victim’s father, 25 May 2016. Indian Express []
# Neha Sharma murder case: Agra court sends prime accused to jail, 13 May 2016. India Today []
# Agra Lab murder: Court order arrest of Neha Sharma murder accused, 12 May 2016. Times of India []
# Fellow student murdered Neha Sharma: CBI, 7 January 2016. Times of India []
# Researcher murder:CBI files charge sheet against prime accused, 6 January 2016. Business Standard []
# Agra lab murder: CBI files chargesheet against 2 in Neha case, 5 January 2016. Times of India []
# 2 years after student’s murder in Agra university lab, hacker held, 6 October 2015. Times of India []
# Neha Sharma murder case: Probe with no end?, 9 January 2015. Times of India []
# Agra lab killing: 4 days after wife’s death, accused allowed last rites, 9 January 2014. Indian Express[]
# CBI team reaches Agra to probe into scholar's killing, 4 September 2013. The Pioneer []
# CBI to investigate Agra research scholar’s death, 8 August 2013. Indian Express []
# Agra research scholars murder: UP recommends CBI probe, 25 July 2013. Indian Express []
# UP CM recommends CBI probe into 3 murders, 25 July 2013. The Tribune []
# Youth claims to have witnessed murder of Agra research scholar, 18 July 2013. Indian Express[]
# Neha Sharma murder case: Court rejects bail pleas of 2 accused, 16 July 2013. News18. []
# Neha Sharma murder case: Bail pleas of 2 accused rejected, 16 July 2013. DelhiDailyNews. []
# Ex-Director’s grandson, aide arrested, 26 April 2013. Daily Excelsior. []
# Laboratory of murder clues, 25 April 2013. Indian Express []
# `Not sure whether Neha was raped before death`, 25 April 2013. Zee News []
# Agra: Neha murder case solved, 25 April 2013. iNextLive []
# Agra researchers murder: Student,lab technician held, 24 April 2013. Indian Express []
# Agra researcher murder case: 2 sent to police remand, 23 April 2013. Web India []
# 2 arrested in sensational Neha Sharma murder case in Agra, 23 April 2013. Web India []
# College Trust Chairman's grandson arrested for killing girl in Agra over one-sided Love!, 23 April 2013. India TV []
# Parents of Agra researcher want CBI to handle murder probe, 22 April 2013. Indian Express []
# Brahmin Sabha demands CBI probe into Neha murder case, 17 April 2013. Daily Excelsior []
# Jammu girl’s murder still unsolved, 13 April 2013. Daily Excelsior []
# JKP team to visit Agra, 2 April 2013. Daily Excelsior []
# Forensic experts begin probe into researcher's murder case, 1 April 2013. NDTV []
# Cops release sketches of Agra murder suspects, 25 March 2013. Indian Express []
# J&K to send police team to UP, 21 March 2013. Daily Excelsior. []
# Agra murder: Cops suspect academic rivalry, 19 March 2013. Indian Express []
# Killer chased Agra researcher around lab: Cops, 18 March 2013. Indian Express []
# Agra Murder Case: Student protest in Agra, 18 March 2013. India TV []
# Agra: 24-year old woman scientist murdered, 17 March 2013. NewsXpress []
# Woman researcher brutally killed in Agra institute, 17 March 2013. Times of India []
# Question Hour: Another Nirbhaya murdered (March 16, 2013)- Part 1, 16 March 2013. NewsNation. []
# Agra Girl student found stabbed to death in her college lab, 16 March 2013. India TV []
# Agra: Girl student found dead in her college lab, 16 March 2013. News18 []
Resources in Hindi:
# बलात्कार के बाद बेरहमी से हुआ था नेहा का कत्ल!, Hindustan []
# PHD छात्रा मर्डर केस: पेनड्राइव के लिए हुई नेहा की हत्या?, News18 []  
# आगरा के हाई प्रोफाइल नेहा हत्या कांड में सीबीआई ने दाखिल की चार्जशीट।, SamacharDuniya []
# एक तर्फी प्रेमको नतिजा, Kalika FM Nepal []
# लैब में शोध छात्रा की हत्या मामले में रिटायर्ड आईएएस का नाती भेजा जा रहा जेल, Bhadas4Media []
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड में सुनवाई अब 22 जनवरी को, Amar Ujala []
# आगरा में चर्चित नेहा हत्याकांड की सुनवाई 22 को, Hindustan []
# बहुचर्चित नेहा हत्याकांड : सुनवाई आगरा न्यायालय में, पिता की याचिका खारिज, LiveNewXpress[]
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड में अब चार्जशीट की तैयारी, Amar Ujala []
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड में अब उदय स्वरूप को हिरासत में लेने की होगी सुनवाई, Samachar Dunia []
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड :सीबीआई ने दाखिल की चार्ज शीट, TheIndianXpress []
# उप्र के 3 मामलों को सीबीआई जांच का इंतजार, Deshbandhu []
# आगरा में शोध छात्रा की कालेज परिसर में हत्या, TaazaSamachar []
# बहुचर्चित नेहा हत्याकांड : कोर्ट से आरोपी को दिया एक हफ्ते का समय, EENaduIndia []
# शोध छात्रा हत्‍याकांड: सीबीआई जांच की सिफारिश पर उठे सवाल, Dainik Bhaskar []
# शोध छात्रा मर्डर में 3 संदिग्धों के स्केच जारी, ZeeNews []
# शोध छात्रा की आगरा कालेज में रेप और हत्या, MeriBitiya []
# दुष्कर्म पीड़िता के पिता ने चिट्‌ठी लिखकर लोगों से न्याय दिलाने की अपील की, KhaasKhabar []
# शोध छात्रा की हत्या के दो आरोपी हिरासत में, DeshBandhu []
# शोध छात्रा हत्याकांड में तीन संदिग्धों के स्कैच जारी, Dainik Tribune []
# आगरा शोध छात्रा हत्याकांड की जांच सीबीआई के हवाले, IBN7 []
# आगरा के नेहा हत्याकांड में उदय के साथ संधू पर भी आरोप तय, Raftaar []
# नेहा शर्मा मर्डर: केस दिल्ली ट्रांसफर करवाने वाली याचिका को सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने किया ख़ारिज, LiveNewsUttarPradesh []
# नेहा हत्याकांडः उदयस्वरूप का डीएनए मिला, Patrika []
# आगरा: लैब में पीएचडी छात्रा की हत्या में एक गिरफ्तार, News18 []
# आगरा में शोध छात्रा की कालेज परिसर में हत्या, NDTVIndia []
# आगरा कोर्ट में होगी छात्रा नेहा शर्मा की हत्या के मामले की सुनवाई, Sanjeevni Today []
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड में पिता की गवाही सात को, Hindustan []
# आगरा के डीईआई शोध छात्रा नेहा शर्मा रेप केस, AgraBharat []
# सीबीआई करेगी नेहा शर्मा मर्डर की जांच, NavBharat Times []
# नेहा शर्मा हत्याकांड में सीबीआइ ने दर्ज किया केस, Dainik Jagran []
I hope this will be enough for every one.
JusticeNeeded123 (talk) 09:32, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources and additional citations explaining the relevance, notability and importance of the Neha Sharma murder case 

message: What was mentioned on this page was not correct. I am part of this Institution and would like to write the authentic information. Please let me know how it is possible.
Thanks
Ratan Saini
:Please see WP:CP, under "Copyright owners who submitted their own work to Wikipedia". Conscious 06:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It appears that the 2 articles relate to the same institute.
Keith D 15:18, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Merge 

message: I am deleting the Neha Sharma murder case section for the following reasons:
# It is news for the people in Agra, but not a major section in the article
# It occurred in the DEI campus and NOT Dayalbagh (the ashram) per se
Detrainman (talk) 04:49, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neha Sharma Murder Case 

message: User detrainman appears to have vested interest in hiding this matter. Secondly, this page is about DEI, the campus where this murder took place.AgraNewsObserver (talk) 09:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Readding Neha Sharma murder case 

message: AgraNewsObserver,
# You clearly are re-adding the section, which means you have a vested interest in the matter
# If every Wiki article had every murder that took place, then the pages of Delhi and Agra would be a daily murder report
# You clearly do not understand the difference between a wiki and a newspaper.
# Please visit WikiNews (en.wikinews.org) to update your news
Detrainman (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting Neha Sharma murder case

message: Detrainman,
# Yes, I have a vested interest in the matter. I want the truth to come out. Everything in the section is verifiable through media reports.
# This is not an ordinary murder. Would you mind referencing a single murder that has occurred in an educational institute where everyone from the watchman to the chairman tried to protect the murderer? Would you mind referencing a single murder in Agra to which the media has given this much attention and students have shown this much discontent? There will be none except this one. This is no ordinary murder. It shakes the very foundation of our education system. An institute's chairman's grandson murders a Ph.D scholar using lab keys given to him by his grandfather even though he was just an undergrad and had no reason to access the nano-biotechnology lab. The institute's administration instead of wanting the truth to come out tries to destroy evidence and even plans to dump the poor girl's body. It shocks me to the core that you believe that this should not be mentioned on Wikipedia. What if Neha, the girl murdered was your sister or daughter? Would you still say the same?
# Regarding your understanding of "wiki and and a newspaper", I would not like to point out your ignorance. 
AgraNewsObserver (talk) 18:34, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Neha Sharma justification

message: AgraNewsObserver:
I am not going to edit the page right now, because we are in disagreement.
To clarify:
# I fully support transparency and justice in Neha Sharma's trial
# I wish that maximum penalty is given to the culprit(s)
# Some of your claims are allegations, and not facts till proven in court
# It appears that you do not like the Dayalbagh and Dayalbagh Educational Institute, and you are influenced by your feelings
Please read this:
# Go on other institute wiki pages and check if they have murders listed on their page.
# Go on any page about a suburb, and check if they have individual murders listed
# You will find that they don't have murders/crimes listed. This is not because the editors are insensitive, but because Wikipedia entry about Dayalbagh is intended be an encyclopedia, not a murder list
Finally:
# Create a separate Wiki page called "Neha Sharma Murder Case" and update it regularly
# If required, I will keep reverting your edits, till the end of the world.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Detrainman (talk • contribs) 19:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neha Sharma Edit War

message: Given the seriousness of this issue and the people involved, it would be only reasonable to mention this in the first paragraph.
AgraNewsObserver (talk) 03:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Why First Paragraph?

message: Detrainman,
Regarding your clarifications:
# I highly doubt that.
# Given how you feel that this matter is "newsworthy (for sometime)" and "does not deserve being mentioned", your attitude is highlighted and it appears to me that either you don't respect women or are familiar with them being (raped and) murdered.
# First of all, these are not my allegations. These are reports published in print media. If you want, I can send some of them to you.
# You feel that I am doing this because I don't like Dayalbagh. Well, that isn't the case. If I did, I would have mentioned how Dayalbagh's administration cutoff the lights of the nano-biotech lab when the CBI went in there to look for clues. I would have also mentioned that Prem Kumar is next in line to be the guru. I would have mentioned how the sacred Dayalbagh satsang sabha members accompanied Prem Kumar to the police station everytime Uday was questioned. I would have mentioned why the authorities of the Dayalbagh educational institute did not take any action against Uday Swaroop when he was constantly harassing her through messages and phone calls. She even reported this to her professors. I would have mentioned how the professor who saw Yashveer leave with Neha's car kept quiet for so long. I would have mentioned why Uday was not suspended from DEI despite committing such a serious crime especially when DEI is known for its discipline. I would have mentioned how the institute's administration was in hurry to clean the lab. I would have mentioned how Uday whenever he was questioned by the police answered as if he was trained to do so. I would have mentioned how Dayalbagh authorities are still pressurizing Neha's family to not pursue the case. I would have mentioned that Prem Kumar still maintains that Uday is innocent. I would have mentioned how Director VG Das blatantly denies having any knowledge of Uday's behavior especially when many students said that he did not even respect the professors and did not even listen to them.
Please read this:
# Why are you trying to downplay this murder? It is serious and I doubt if a crime as serious as this has been committed in a suburb let alone an institute.
# I have never said that the editors are insensitive. I feel that you are because of your earlier remarks.
Finally:
# I strongly feel that this incident is something that should be mentioned on these pages as well.
# I don't want an edit war and will not be part of one. I want you to understand the seriousness of the issue and please let the poor girl's story be known to everyone. You say you are not insensitive. Well, it is time to prove so.
AgraNewsObserver (talk) 13:27, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply to Edit War

message: AgraNewsObserver:
# During our discussion, you said that I have been covering up the murder news of Dayalbagh, implying that I might know the culprit. This is juvenile behavior and you should behave in a mature manner.
# You also said that I don't care about the young woman who was murdered. That was uncalled for and was an immature comment.
# If you do not know how to reply to my comments, you do not have to criticize me. 
# See No Personal Attacks
Detrainman (talk) 00:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal attack by AgraNewsObserver 

message: # Which sentence did I use to imply that you know the culprit? I think it was "you have a vested interest in the matter." I wrote this to imply that you are a stakeholder meaning that you are either a student of this institute or a member of the Dayalbagh administration, one of which you clearly are. Moreover, as everyone can see that you countered it by personally attacking me saying that I have a vested interest in the matter, I feel this point is nullified. Your personal attacks did not stop here. You went on to say that I clearly do not understand the difference between a wiki and a newspaper. I don't know about you but this too looks like a personal attack to me.
# Yes, I still feel that you do not care about her murder. How else can you justify calling her murder as only newsworthy "for sometime"? Why else would you write that her murder "did not deserve to be mentioned" as your reason for edit?
# What unanswered comments are you talking about? I answered everyone of your comment. It is you who hasn't replied to mine. I get that you are doing this because you have no reply to the questions raised by me. It is why you are resorting to such methods.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgraNewsObserver (talk • contribs) 03:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look who's saying / Personal Attacks 

message: # You are right that we are even on "vested interest". I apologize.
# I don't have to justify myself, but I will: The US news does not carry the Virginia Tech Massacre event everyday.  The day it stops being mentioned on the news, is the day the topic moves into its own page. 
# I wish to stop this discussion here
Detrainman (talk) 04:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  EOD

message: If you are unable to achieve consensus, can I suggest you seek an experienced editor to review the discussion and who might come up with their thoughts on how to proceed? I have used this approach previously to good effect. Remember to keep discussion on the topic of content and try to remain civil at all times. Good luck with your editing Flat Out let's discuss it 04:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content dispute 

message: Detrainman,
Once again you answered questions suitable to you. How would you justify "does not deserve to be mentioned"? This discussion cannot be ended until you give convincing answers.
Flat Out,
I still maintain that the section should stay along with making a new page. If I am a father of a daughter seeking information about DEI, I need to know that my daughter is not safe here. I need to know that if she gets murdered, the institute's administration will not try to bring the perpetrators to justice but instead try to hide the matter and even dispose off her body for it. I need to know that relatives of the institute's management have a free right to harass her and no one will listen to her if she complaints. I need to know that no one will testify against the criminals if they are the relatives of a person who is next in line to be the guru.  
AgraNewsObserver (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no opinion on this dispute other than to say its an argument that is going nowhere. If you can't achieve consensus Ask an experienced editor like Cullen328 to do an independent review. Flat Out let's discuss it 05:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

text: This is not a forum. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  EOD and other matters 

message: See my comments at Talk:Dayalbagh. This section contained several assertions regarding allegations of a cover up etc either sourced to uploaded scans of documents (which are never acceptable as sources) or entirely unsupported by the sources cited. This constitutes a gross violation of WP:BLP policy. I shall be raising these articles at WP:BLPN, and asking for outside support to ensure that the matter is covered appropriately, and in compliance with policy. I suggest that those involved in the discussion so far familiarise themselves with WP:BLP and WP:RS policy in the mean time. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:47, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The BLP issues do not solely concern the alleged murderer. There were multiple claims of a cover-up, and none of the acceptable sources I could access substantiated this. I suggest that before any material is restored, we ensure that adequate sourcing is provided, and that the material accurately reflects the sources - I have made it perfectly clear that WP:BLP policy needs to be complied with, and I'm not prepared to engage in edit-warring. Any further violations of WP:BLP, whether in the article or on this talk page, will be reported. Compliance with policy is not optional. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:11, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have deleted the 'murder case' section for gross violations of [[WP:BLP]] policy 

message: Substituted at 13:02, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: This is a request to remove the Controversy section in this Wikipedia Page.
It is seen as defamation of not the university, but the individuals involved. The above talk (more like contention) has various allegations that are entirely false, such as the identity of the relative of the criminal.
It is agreed that the rape and murder of Neha Sharma was a hideous act, but publishing it on the page of the educational society alongside baseless "news" by an ill informed user after legal justice has been delivered seems strange.
Please See- I am not asking for the incident to be covered up or ignored, and this is not a personal attack on any individual or institution, just a humble request.
Thank you! (talk) 13:44, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've merged it into history section as it's an incident rather than a controversy. Mentioning notable incidents does not appear defamatory to the university. – Thjarkur (talk) 15:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2020 

message: Please remove the phrase 
and was also the first director of DEI.
from the first paragraph
The correct version should read as following
Founded as a primary school in 1917, and becoming a technical college in 1927 for training in automobile, electrical and mechanical engineering, it later developed into a Deemed University. Prof. M. B. Lal Sahab, a former Vice Chancellor of the Lucknow University, founded this institution. 122.161.75.221 (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Qwerfjkltalk 20:39, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2022