Talk:Guardians of the Galaxy (1969 team)

message: Why was information regarding the forthcoming Guardians of the Galaxy series removed?
Destroda (talk) 13:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, as stated before, we cannot "crystal ball" on Wikipedia. The mere fact that someone posted an interview with someone speculating: 
Recently, Guardians of the Galaxy editor Bill Rosemann was interviewed on IGN.comhttp://comics.ign.com/articles/851/851643p1.html.  He stated that events spawning out of Annihilation: Conquest will forge the new team and series. The cover for the first issue was shown with Star-Lord, Gamora, Drax the Destroyer, Rocket Raccoon, Phyla-Vell (Quasar), and Adam Warlock. When pressed further, Rosemann revealed that Cosmo, from the new Nova series, may also be a part of the team.
is enough. The new information can be included, in the correct format (not tables that disrupt the entire article) when it is published and certifiable fact. I would suggest starting by replacing the old image and inserting the new into the SHB. Let's by all means update it, but we need to do it the right way. The first effort disrupted the text on a grand scale.
Asgardian (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 Series 

message: Asgardian, explain why you remove all the source information from this article that is sorely lacking in the information that I provided regarding the original future alternative time team including its expansion team?  I am going to reundo your edit and try to change the table so the change in the team infobox's effect of adding space is reduced.  I will remove the 2008 series as you above statement indicates. Spshu (talk) 18:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK...I've had to remove the speculative paragraph in the introduction as that it what it is - speculation. On Wikipedia there is no provision for "crystal balling" - see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. This is proved when we look at the paragraph and see:
Another team in the mainstream Marvel Universe current time will be published using the same name is scheduled to start May 14, 2008.  This team will feature many characters from the 2007 - 2008 Annihilation: Conquest series.  Team members include: Rocket Raccoon, Star-Lord, Drax the Destroyer, Wraith, Quasar (Phyla-Vell), and more.  The new series is scheduled to be written by Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning, along with artist Paul Pelletier.
So, at this stage, we cannot have conjecture passing for what is yet to be hard fact. Things can and will change. Once the first issue is released, then by all means add a paragraph and image, although I would suggest a separate article.
Moving on, the tables have been pulled as they disrupt the text and that's not how team members are listed. It would be a fiasco if such a thing were attempted for the Avengers or X-Men. Check out Avengers to see how it is done. Finally, the Annual reference seem a bit out of whack. Right year?
Asgardian (talk) 01:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't understand why you are going on about "crystal balling" when we know that another team will be published under that name that is not conjecture as comic books are planned out six months+ ago.  In any regards, this is not what I am referring to as that is discussed in another section on the talk page. As it is not what I am refer to hence the new talk section, regarding your heavy-handed removal of sourced information.    
Team members are list in that fashion; just that the Avengers' and X-men's lists are a separated articles as they are longer.  Show me the Wikipedia standard on list superheroes team members.  You also remove any information about the 2nd 31 Century Guardian of the Galaxy team nicknamed Galactic Guardians.  I will get the year corrected (it is 1991), still that is a minor error and does not negate the information within. Spshu (talk) 15:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: In all honesty, I cannot see how WP:CRYSTALBALL applies here. The series is scheduled to be started in two months. Given the amount of time that printing and distribution generally take, I cannot help but think that the series has already been substantially written and created, so saying that work which has almost certainly already been completed qualifies as predicting the future seems to me at best dubious, and at least to my eyes a misapplication of that policy.  Certainly, we have had information regarding the expected members of teams whose stories have seemingly been created, if not yet published, before. The information on the Galactic Guardians and the team membership tables also seems to be basically reliable. I cannot see why they were removed in the first place. John Carter (talk) 15:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, I've created a page for Membership with a link, which solves that issue. That's what should have happened in the first instance - never on the main page as that is dedicated to narrative. As for the speculative 2008 information, that is what it is - the future. It hasn't happened yet and things can and will change. Such speculation was removed by several posters such as myself from the main Avengers article on the Mighty Avengers as it was all hearsay and conjecture. When the series is published, the information can be inserted in expanded form.
Asgardian (talk) 00:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

text: While I think the new page is unnecessary (and was there a consensus reached on this?) I tend to agree on the 2008 team as I couldn't find a good source for it. I'm sure, given how close it is, one should emerge soon. Whether that warrant the removal of the text or the addition of  might be a moot point but I think we can afford to wait for a reference (and Dan Abnett can always manage to task a clone for an interview - I'll look around for one now). (Emperor (talk) 00:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There really wasn't consensus for the rosters to be moved, however, it is a reasonable, if bold, action. Given there should be more added to the article with regard to the upcoming when it comes out (note: the short mention in the PH is warranted as it is what Marvel is putting in place). Having the tables there will be a little unwieldy. Also, splitting them now doesn't really knock either down to a stub. - J Greb (talk) 01:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK cool. I've sourced the next series and there is a tonne of stuff in there (and a link to an earlier quick word with an editor) if anyone wants to expand that - I knew DnA would do an interview at some point in the run up to the series. I'll keep an eye out for more. (Emperor (talk) 20:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of Sourced information

message: Yes, there may be some crystal balling and conjecture here... that is why I am discussing this... mainly to see possible key points of what may be needed to add to the wiki article. Per this article, the new series IS connected to the old series...somehow:
:"NRAMA: And you guys chose the name Guardians of the Galaxy, yet this sounds very different 
:from the old comic of that name, which took place in the distant future. Is this tied to it at 
:all?...  
:AL: Yes. We won't spoil things by explaining how that works.... a story direction that will 
:link the two together in quite an important way."
They also show that issue Clint Langley's #2 cover and it has, what looks like, Captain America's shield on the it (kind of like Major Victory in the original Alternate Future Guardians of the Galaxy).  To be continued.... feel free to add to this discussion of possible things that need to be added to the article.  Antmusic (talk) 15:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about new series.  Possible things that need to be added to the article. 

message: :Guardians of the Galaxy (modern) → Guardians of the Galaxy (2008 team) — I believe that it is better to distinguish the teams by year of debut, similar to the Legion of Super-Heroes articles. Marcus Brute (talk) 07:02, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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