Talk:Damdin Sükhbaatar

message: Are there any references for him being called Sükh instead Sükhbaatar? Not that I know better, just wondering. Yaan 18:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That info seems to be taken from here. --Latebird 21:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That site has at least one biography completely wrong: Davaadorj is from Hovsgol, he didn't fight in Khalkhin Gol (he was still a child then, i think he was born in the late 1920s), and his death in 1948 is no mistery at all: He died in a border incident at Baitag Bogd (or something similar), at the border between Khovd and China. that is also the reason that he was made ulsyn baatar and he got a statue in (hint) 1968. Yaan 141.5.15.8 07:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I didn't say the source was right, it was just the only one I could find supporting the theory (the article was almost a copy of that source in some early versions). Mongolian names commonly being composites of two words, it seems likely that Sükhbaatar is indeed his original name, and Sükh just a shortened nickname. --Latebird 07:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we need better sources. Until then, I'll leave the page as it is. Yaan 12:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got a better source: Urgunge Onon's Mongolian Heroes of the XXth century, which basically contains translations of MPR biographies pf certain prominent figures of Mongolia's struggle for independence. It mentions no "Sukh" either, so ... Yaan (talk) 12:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short name 

message: Some issues:
*Was the Mongolian People's Party really founded before Sükhbaatar etc. went to Russia, or later?
*What is the correct name of the town captured by the MPRP in March (I assume March 18th is the correct date?): Kyakhta/Khiagt, Altanbulag, Maimaicheng, Troitskosavsk?
** (a) Kyakhta/Khiagt is the name of the town captured by the partisans. Perhaps there grow a lot of hiag--couch grass. Also they called it Maimaachin--denoting that there were a lot of Chinese trades people. They traded with Russia. The modern name of this town is Altanbulag. Don't know when they change the name to Altanbulag (Golden Spring, the spring of the revolution). According to the mytholology it was the idea of Sükhbaatar to rename the town. This town is located on the Mongolian side of the Russo-Mongolian border. (b) Another Kyakhta/Khiagt is located on the Rusian side of the border. It was called town Troitskosavsk before 1934. It was joined with A trade village Kyakhta/Khiagt and was renamed into Kyakhta/Khiagt. Now suspection arises: maybe this last Kyakhta/Khiagt is actually the cradle of the revolution?! Rumours say there have been a lot of movements of the border lines between Russia and Mongolia and between China and Mongolia--of course always to the benefit of the stronger ones. There have been a lot of tricks of the Communist mythologies and the real history is very obscured.
*What about the liberation of Ulaanbaatar - wasn't it already deserted when the Soviets(?)/MPRP(?) took the town?
**Wasn't there a Baron Ungern's garrison? or had they all left Urga to fight the Red Army?
*On another note, when did the Mongolian People's party change its name?
**It added the adj. "Revolutionary" in 1925 when it was firmly put on the Leninist platform (Lenin's theory of revolution) by ComIntern. Before 1925, it was in no way Communist. It could be described as somewhat national democratic party, with many factions of course. The ComIntern caused them execute Bodoo in 1922 and Danzan in 1924. This way, they rid the party from the rightists. After 1925, MPRP became largely leftist and it immediately enforced Communist reforms (forceful collectivisation in the agriculture) which met strong resistance. To relax the resistance, Comintern punished its leftist marionettes and brought a bit more rightist persons into the party. Later, these were also executed in USSR. 
Gantuya Eng
If anyone knows, please add to article
Yaan 10:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1921 

message: Is there a reason for giving the patronmic in the nominative form? I don't really care either way, just found it a bit curious given hw many pages have been moved to the genitive patronymic forms. Yaan (talk) 12:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just the best spelling I could find for one of the last renames (didn't know much about Mongolian genitive forms yet then). On the other hand, this is one of he relatively few cases where the nominative patronymic is somewhat more common in western literature than the genitive form. I don't object to a rename, though. --Latebird (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I think I'll leave it alone until someone with a stronger opinion comes around. Yaan (talk) 15:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  patronymic 

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