Talk:Treaty of San Stefano

message: I rewrote the article and added the original maps. Miko Stavrev. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miko Stavrev (talk • contribs) 21:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 comments

message: The map was probably composed very recently. The boundaries of San Stephano Bulgaria are correct. However, the caption 'Liberated Bulgaria' is POV. The caption needs to be removed. Editors are welcome to insert image of original 1878 images that write include such terms. Politis 16:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Map is POV and must be changed or removed

message: Where may I found the original text of the treaty (in French)? --Hubertgui (talk) 17:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Text of the treaty in French

message: I've seen you removed the Stanford's 1878 Ethnic composition map of the Balkans from the article. This map is of historical significance since upon that map the Congress of Berlin created Bulgaria as a state in 1878 and shaped her borders. I also noticed that you also removed it from any other article of wikipedia including the very article of the Berlin's Congress by saying that it is wrong. Wikipedia is not judging an historical document as it is a 1878 map as right or wrong, especially a map upon a treaty was determined. WP works with references, documents and facts, leaving the reader to judge for himself what is right and what is wrong. So if you have censuses that denying what the map is picturing, you have to put them into the articles, with the necessary references. Regards, --Factuarius (talk) 02:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: =Stanford's 1878 Ethnological map

message: Disagreement about the inclusion of three 19th-century ethnographic maps in the articles Treaty of San Stefano and Eastern Rumelia (see arguments above). Todor→Bozhinov 15:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC on ethnographic maps

message: I removed that map because it isn't an ethnographic map but a map connecting ehtnicity to religion. I don't think that anyone can argue that Mussulmans is an ethnic description of any kind or that there is a nation called Serbo-Croats or Bulgar-Greeks.----ZjarriRrethues (talk) 17:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, but it just signifies a mixed population, comprised mainly of Bulgarians and Greeks. It is quite a valuable map, so, please, make sure you provide precise and unbiased reasons for its removal. Thank you.--Laveol T 18:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synvet Map 

message: I notice User:ZjarriRrethues and User:Kushtrim123 are edit-warring trying to insert this map to this article and to Congress of Berlin.  Is there a valid rationale for this?  There are already 3 ethnographic maps, and this one is moreover heavily outdated.  The other 3 maps are contemporary with the treaty, this one is 18 years older.  Athenean (talk) 21:06, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Come on, it's not like you merely noticed. If you're asking for an opinion, mine is well known: all ethnographic maps should be out. Todor→Bozhinov 21:11, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Todor, I am well aware of your opinion :) Athenean (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

text: In my opinion, if there are two pro-Greek maps, there should be at least two neutral ones. Kostja (talk) 22:01, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Lejean map is hardly neutral.  Athenean (talk) 22:33, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Find sources for that. Kostja (talk) 07:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Lejean map is hardly neutral" - And Stanford's map is completely, fully, 100% neutral. --Gligan (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lejean map 

message: San Stefano is not an Italian name. It is the Western translation of the Greek name of the village,  Άγιος Στέφανος (Ayos Stefanos). It was common practice in Western Europe (and in Russia as well) to use such internationalized names for locations in the Ottoman Empire. Kostja (talk) 13:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really know the reason for this. It's likely due to the great Italian influence (through Venice) in this region in former times. Kostja (talk) 14:10, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why a Turkish village had an Italian name?

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message: The "Critical Reevaluation" section is unwieldy and far too long. It spends too much time talking about certain individual's opinions about the treaty instead of sticking to what should be the actual focus of the article, the historical treaty and its ramifications on the world of 1878. A few sentences describing the historigraphy of the article would be fine, which then links to a different article where this section could be moved, but other than that, most of this section should be removed or significantly trimmed. Jorde5212 (talk) 09:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It is not a "certain individual", it is a group of historians and publicists challenging the official viewpoint of Soviet historiography - and thereby the viewpoint imposed on Bulgarian historiography since the 1940s. So this is not a "minor issue", this is rather a big one. Moving the bulk of the text to another, newly created article, while leaving the gist of the section with a reference is fine, whoever volunteers is welcome to do it. VMORO 09:10, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: The last section is way too long

message: The treaty has been signed at the Graf Ignatieff residence at San Stefano. 72.137.0.116 (talk) 01:34, 4 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of signing the treaty