Talk:Jesus Prayer

message: Cut form intro:
:However, a number of different repetitive prayer formulas have been attested in the history of Eastern Orthodox monasticism (e.g. the Prayer of St Ioannikios, the repetitive use of which by St Ioannikios (754–846) is described in his Life; the more recent practice of St Nicholas Velimirovich (1880–1956)). Sometimes the Jesus Prayer is alternated with an invocation to the Mother of God: "Most Holy Theotokos, save us." In such a case, the practitioner repeats, say, 400 Jesus Prayers and then 100 invocations of the Mother of God.
Doesn't belong in intro; just not sure where to paste it. --Uncle Ed 21:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put it into the article (new section). adriatikus | 14:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: I was surprised not to find the prayer in Spanish given. I have translated it for the reader. Note the similarity to the Portuguese. If anyone knows a more official version, feel free to correct my translation. cwb 70.161.208.216 15:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: In Spanish

message: The first sentence reads "...also called the Prayer of the Heart when recited in sync with the human heart-beat". I know it's also called "of the heart", I know it may be said in sync with the heart. But I'm not sure of the link "when" between. Read also this at GOArch. I propose removing the word "when". adriatikus | talk 00:19, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name "of the Heart" 

message: I have serious doubts the Hebrew translation is accurate. Here are two reasons:
* The "alternate He" was re-translated into En as "... Jesus Christ, the Messiah, ...", but Christ (in Greek) =Messiah (in Hebrew). This raises doubts about the editor who "translated" it, although it was supposed to provide the currently used form. -- This is fixed now.
* The 1s form is "Jesus the Nazarene". I know Christians are called Nazarenes in Israel. But the prayer has theological grounds on Jesus as being the Anointed One, not on the particular naming of Christians in Hebrew.
Can anyone check it or provide the proper translation? adriatikus | talk 10:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've commented out the Hebrew translation until someone will check it. It is still in the article's page, but between . adriatikus | talk 10:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew translation 

message: I have started editing the article approx. on 1 Feb. 2008 (this version). It was initially a rewrite of the unreferenced, OR section Analogues in other religions. It became then obvious to me that the article needed a better approach (be it only because it is a major topic in EO). I think the article has to be a good intro into the subject not only for an EO, but also for RC, Protestant, non-Christian, and atheist. I am aware of the expected carefulness, required not only by the WP guidelines. It is a sensitive topic needind clear and broadly recognized references. That's why I have tried that virtually all edits to be backed up by sources. That's why editing is so slow. As of 2008-04-07 the article is not yet finished. It misses info in major areas, and glue between sections/paragraphs. My notes regarding this article are here (my own guidelines only). If someone thinks and feels (s)he can help, please do so. You are welcome. IMHO, EO related articles in WP need a lot of work (go to WP:EO). But don't send me private e-mails complaining. It's useless.
Briefly: the article is unfinished, needs a lot of work, you are welcome to help by editing. Thank you. adriatikus | talk 14:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed / controversial etc. 

message: is irrelevant to the discussion. It should be deleted. (I would think that this same information appears on an appropriate Greek Orthodox page.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.122.147.66 (talk) 02:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first paragraph under the subhead "Scriptural roots"... 

message: Just a short note to let you know that the Jesus prayer and the prayer of the heart are not synonymous. The Jesus prayer can form a part of the prayer of the heart but one who has attained to uninterrupted prayer of the heart no longer needs the Jesus prayer. One could say that the Jesus prayer is one means by which prayer of the heart may be reached. The upshot of all this apparent pedantry is that there should be two separate articles: one for the Jesus prayer and one for the prayer of the heart. best wishes. Langdell (talk) 23:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus prayer and prayer of the heart

message: I think the Roman Catholic Fatima prayer is sometimes called the Jesus prayer. It could perhaps be featured more prominently within the article, instead of just a link at the bottom of the page. ADM (talk) 09:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fatima prayer

message: Isn't the text a slightly changed verse from the Gospels somewhere, which differs only in that it has "Son of David" instead of "Son of God"? At least that's what somebody told me. Could somebody with more theology savvy put this in if it is true? -- 92.229.147.30 (talk) 23:18, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scriptural origin of the wording? 

message: Have made an edit to the introduction explaining – according to St Theophan's teaching – that the Jesus Prayer and the Prayer of the Heart are not synonymous but the Jesus prayer can bring about Prayer of the Heart. 81.106.115.153 (talk) 13:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Prayer of The Heart

message: No sources are given for the elements presented in the section on translations. The additions and supposed improvements that have been made show that the translations given are only the private work of individuals, sometimes just of the editors who insert them. This is the English Wikipedia, not a multilingual dictionary. It is for the Wikipedias in other languages to indicate the supposedly correct form in those languages. The section should therefore be removed. Esoglou (talk) 10:38, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced translations section 

message: The section Techniques is mostly just one really long quote. The provided reference link doesn't work so I can't get the context in order to summarize it properly. (I'm also in even more pain than usual right now and just can't do that much typing anytime soon.) If someone else could take a stab at it I'd really appreciate it. --Kitsunegami (talk) 03:08, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Techniques 

message: It should be emphasized that the Greek of the prayer (transliterated) hamartolon, which we translate as "sinner" does not imply direct guilt and an act of transgression, but that in our human imperfection we "miss the mark" and our error is in our coming up short being human.  It strikes directly at the doctrine of original sin and redemption.  We cannot be redeemed except through Christ. --ColonelHenry (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Greek for "Sinner" 

message: The "Repentance in Eastern Orthodoxy" section seems to be only vaguely related. It also attempts without citing reliable sources to present, in addition, a picture of Roman Catholic rather than Eastern Orthodox theology.  Esoglou (talk) 06:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-topic section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The page says the emblem has the text 
Doamne Iisuse Hristoase, Fiul lui Dumnezeu, miluieşte-mă pe mine păcătosul 
("Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner")
could someone verify the word in Romanian is ‘Hristoase’ ?
that looks like a Chi to me ie: Χριστός
170.253.252.132 (talk) 18:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian Translation Details