Talk:Great Learning

message: There is a problem with the redirect on this page... Specifically, it redirects from Zhong Yong, which is a totally different text (the "Doctrine of the Mean"). I'm not sure how to fix this problem, so I thought I'd just make a note of it.
71.17.191.16 20:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, you made a good editing job here, thanks. One litlle thing: I would state somewhere that the translation is adapted from Legge's one, and I would say "Way" instead of "path", but you surely know more than I do. gbog 15:36, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
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message: I'm not sure what the policies on adapting translations are, so hopefully someone will help out here. In learning this text recently, I was taught that 明明德 ought to be translated here as making your bright virtue shine- more literal than the translation (which I assume is from the Legge mentioned earlier in the article) provides with manifesting virtue. Also, this translation is rather abridged from what I see, omitting several segments. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but I really prefer the Mueller translation linked at the bottom of the page (and here ). Of course, I'm not about to go and flat out replace what we have here, but I think it should be discussed. Mendaliv (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm good with replacing what we have here. I'm coming to think that any article including a bibliography section needs to have it deleted and then be rebuilt from the ground up. — LlywelynII 06:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: Working on other stuff, but the article still needs more revision.
Among other things,
* The article writes in POVy ways about the Neoconfucians and the "support" or "improvement" they provided, rather than simply noting their wholesale revision of Confucius's ideas and points. It also drones about completely unrelated philosophers without connecting them to the text, to its development, or to the attached glosses (which go unexplained).
* Inline citations need to be reformatted using <ref> tags that include the full name of the cited text, then the extraneous bibliography should go.
* The article repeats highly dubious pointse.g. about Chinese respect for their teachers as though they were parentswithout any critical analysis whatsoever and glosses obtruse language in completely uncritical and unhelpful ways. Providing a citation does not mean that in fact introspection (and even there introspection of what aspect of personality or truth?) leads to complete understanding of human relationships and particle physics.
* The article uses pointy gender neutral language to describe a culture and philosophy that waswhile not considering itself misogynistichardly credulous of women's capability at rational or virtuous thought. Every single instance of "person" should be replaced with man &c. or there should be a sourced discussion of the gender relations and in particular, how "ordering one's family" was established in practice & whyif women were considered capable of virtuethey were banned from the Imperial Examinations that gave people any interest in this text.
&c. — LlywelynII 06:50, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article needs serious work, especially attention from an editor with good sources who knows how to use <ref> tags.  Most of your ideas are good, but the last point (about reflecting premodern cultural biases against women via gender-biased language) isn't a good idea. It is very common in English to assume that premodern philosophies and ethical systems can and should be applied to women, even if the writers of those philosophies may not have, and I do not believe that this text explicitly discusses its relevance to women. Please do not edit the article this way without further discussion.Ferox Seneca (talk) 20:45, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: I've partly fixed the refs by replacing 
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with 
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I haven't time to do the whole job now, but at least now they're down in the Refs section rather than in the middle of the text. --Thnidu (talk) 18:12, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
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