Talk:Götaland

message: This map shows modern Götaland. 
There is a confusion in how we should describe Götaland and Skåneland in the "East Danes" article. --Comanche cph 17:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  We need to make a historical Götaland map or article to 

message: The article states that Götaland once consisted of pettty kingdoms, and that Västergötland and Östergötland were once rival kingdoms themselves. That's just a theory, a theory few or no historians believe in, at that. So the article should be changed. I should have made a note on the talk page, but I didn't anticipate controversy. I don't actually 'believe that Svealand and Götaland agreed to enter some kind of union by the name "Sweden"', btw.
Davidweman 08:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You write just a theory, a theory few or no historians believe in. I'd rather you cite a scholar who actually says so, otherwise it is *your* interpretation. If you want to push the POV that Götaland did not consist of petty kingdoms, you imply that it was either *one kingdom of Götaland* or total anarchy, and you should cite sources for one of these theories, or both. If you write It was only late in the Middle Ages that Götaland and Svealand began to be perceived as parts of parts of the same country, Sweden, it sounds like Sweden was born out of a late medieval union of the "kingdom of Götaland" and the "kingdom of Svealand", which is original research and which is forbidden here. It is also ironic considering the fact that Götaland's identity as a part of Sweden varied a great deal. In the medieval mindset "Sweden" in its narrow sense excluded Götaland. If we exclude all the foreign examples, you have a good example in the will of Bo Jonsson Grip, where he stated that he had properties both in Sweden (Swerighe) and in Götaland (Göthaland). However, the possessions of the Swedish kings, the "kingdom of Sweden" included Götaland. There you have a good example in the law of Christopher of Bavaria who declared that the merging of Götaland into the Swedish kingdom took place in the distant past (Swerikis rike är af hedna värld samman kommit, af swea och gotha land meaning "The kingdom of Sweden is from pagan times a union of Swedish and Gothic lands"). So you will have to be specific with what you mean with "Sweden" if your prose is going to work with quotations from primary sources.--Berig 09:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I have had my share of listening to Västgötaskolan. The main problem with the concept of "petty kingdom", which I guess is what you are aiming at is that Götaland surely consisted of petty kingdoms in the same sense as Norway and Denmark once did, being both North Germanic areas ruled by assemblies and powerful men who were little more than warlords. However, historians may have different ideas of what constituted a "kingdom" or what was a "chiefdom". Surely, if we  dispute that Götaland consisted of petty kingdoms and only of minor chiefdoms, we write articles about Iron Age Scandinavia that don't work with primary sources, such as the Sagas. You also find yourself having to rewrite all the Norwegian articles ;-)--Berig 10:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petty kingdoms 

message: The flag presented in the article is the flag of Östergötland, not Götaland.
BarrBarrBarr 11:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag now used in the article is the flag of western Götaland. The flag now commonly identified with Östergötland has in fact been used for the entire Götaland. The one with a white cross was based on the Östergötland flag in order to give a flag to the west as well. The flag shown in the article is thus not the flag of Götaland. Aszev 22:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If I'm not completely misstaken the flag that the article claims to be the flag of Västra Götaland is in fact the flag of the city Gothenburg.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.183.101.240 (talk) 20:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Is there Coat of arms of Götaland, who knows? I Know CoA of Östergötaland, of Västergötaland, but what's about whole Götaland?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.230.114 (talk) 08:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No there isn't since Götaland is basicly just a collective of provinces, a generalized term. //Heimvennar - divider 14:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Götaland has a coat of arms on the Carta marina, by Olaus Magnus. I don't know whether it has much currency, however.--Berig (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The arms shown on Carta marina is what we in Danish describe as "Folkungløven" and it is a dynastic symbol of the former Folkung dynasty. However, the source for :Image:Nordisk konge til hest i Ernst von Kirchbergs Mecklenburgske Rimkrønike.png states that the Swedish name of this arms is "Göta-Lejonet", and it seems to have been incorrectly associated with Götaland at some late date, see :sv:Göteborgs stadsvapen. In Ernst von Kirchberg's Meckenburgish Reimchronik it represents Sweden.  In Denmark, our kings used to carry a coat of arms representing the Goths but the Danish title is associated with Gotland rather than Götaland. Valentinian T / C 21:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See also the upper right corner of :Image:Gothia2.jpg which also identified the lion with Götaland. Valentinian T / C 21:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, since the Folkung lion has been used as a coat of arms for Götaland, it is fair to say that Götaland has a coat of arms although it may not be very current today when Götaland's role in Swedish history is both sensitive and debated.--Berig (talk) 15:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms 

message: Isn't Götaland the same as Gotland?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.185.27.224 (talk) 14:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Götaland is one of the three major parts of Sweden. Gotland is an island off Sweden and a province of its own. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:47, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gotland vs. Götaland 

message: Looking at :File:Sverigekarta-Landsdelar_Götaland.svg, it seems Nässjö is at its center so I used its coordinates for this article. DynV (talk) 16:57, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  location 

message: Source needed tags have been removed here but no sorces were provided. We need sources for these claims. I believe the claims are wrong. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 01:50, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not wanting to reverse yet, I have written to the user and asked him about this source he just added. I cannot find the word "geats" anywhere in it. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

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