Talk:Summer Olympic Games

message: This article does a really good job of highlighting the organizational history of the games.  I was tempted to add information about some of the athletic achievements that highlighted some of the games (e.g., Mark Spitz's 7 gold medals in 1972, Nadia Comaneci's perfect 10 gymnastic performance in 1976), but it doesn't really seem to fit the general tone and purpose of this article.  So I let it pass, but I am wondering if these achievements do belong in this article or in a different article.
: Well, as the author of the bulk of the original article, I think adding the greatest athletic feats, such as Spitz and Comaneci, is a good idea. I mentioned some, (Redgrave and Zatopek), and any omissions were due to ignorance, rather than planning -- GWO
:Another option would be to create a separate article called Achievements of the Olympic Games, or something similar. --Stephen Gilbert
:Thats an option, but I don't think it will be the right one unless the present article gets much bigger (which I don't think it will, for now).  Sometimes the sport and politics are difficult to untangle, anyway (Ali, Tommy Smith) --GWO
::Good idea. A start: all-time medal winner's Ray Eli (US), with 10.  Trekphiler 19:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Olympic achievements

message: :The modern Olympic Games were founded in 1894 when Pierre Fredi, Baron de Coubertin, who sought to promote international understanding through the sporting competition.
When Pierre Fredi did what? This is merely one example of a stylistic error: the introductory section of the article is full of them. To make things worse, they were copied without correction to the main page when this article was 'featured'. Is good style not a criterion for becoming a featured article? Victor Gijsbers 14:52, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Stylistic concern

message: It se
:It was the only PD image I could find. I made my own logo (with the 5 rings), but that ended up on the copyright infringments listing so fast it was scary. If you can find a public domain image to replace it, you have my blessing and my support (not that yo need it). →Raul654 00:23, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)
::Can we find images about the first few games. One would expect some of those should be in the Public Domain by now. Aliter 01:38, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Winter torch

message: The following fragment of the article:
There followed a smaller "tenth birthday" games in Athens in 1906. This celebration is not commonly accepted as being Olympic Games, but they certainly positively contributed to the success of future games after the less successful 1900 and 1904 Games.
was replaced by:
There followed a smaller games in Athens in 1906, the first of an alternating series of games to be held in Athens. As it also turned out to be the last, the reason for the games is now sought in the "tenth birthday" of the games. These gamesare not currently recognised as being Olympic Games by the IOC, though most hisotirans do see them as such. Anyway, they certainly positively contributed to the success of future games after the less successful 1900 and 1904 Games.
on 02:14, 26 Sep 2004, without any concretization of those "most historians". Could it be done now? And sources, please! Cmapm 02:52, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: 1906 [[Intercalated Games]]

message: (I also posted this on Talk:Winter Olympic Games. You can respond at either of these pages, or on my talk page.)
With the unveiling of the new Turin, Italy Olympic medals (see this link from Sports Illustrated), I thought it might be interesting to make a Wikipedia page about the history of the Olympic medals, which could obviously be a full length article with a lot of good history (i.e.- more than just a collection of pictures). Is anyone up for a collaboration to create this kind of page? And where should it be located? Olympic medal or Olympic Games medal, perhaps? EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic medals? 

message: Dunno if it's worth including, but, according to tradition, Summer Olympics' last event is the M marathon.  Trekphiler 01:44, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial 

message: Is the UK's Olympic team "Great Britain" or "Great Britain and Northern Ireland"?
see Cfd discussion: Great Britain at the Olympics
--Mais oui! 22:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the correct name of the UK's Olympic team? 

message: I reworded the following excerpt:"The Romanian gymnast Nadia Comaneci won the women's individual all around gold medal with a succession of perfect scores, thus giving birth to a gymnastics dynasty in Romania." She earned only two of four possible 10s in the all-around: see Gymnastics at the 1976 Summer Olympics. Cmapm 19:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Erroneous info in the FA

message: There has been an idea brought up to change pages such as Canoeing at the 2004 Summer Olympics to Canoeing/Kayaking at the 2004 Summer Olympics or something of the like. Please see this page for more on the proposal. → J@red  19:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing Canoe to Canoe/Kayak 

message: The section that deals with the Bejing Olympic programme needs to be edited.  Women are now allowed to compete in team competitions for both sabre and foil but NOT epee.  Men are going to competing in team epee and sabre.  This is applicable ONLY to the Bejing Olympics.  Federation Internationale D'Escrime has decided to rotate the team competitions after each Olympic game giving each weapon a chance to compete after a certain interval.  The individual events will not be affected.  Please refer to this document for reference: http://www.fie.ch/download/letters/2006/urgent/09/en/decisions%20ANG.pdf
:I noticed that, too, and it is also apparent in (the section that I wrote) the section on sports on the 2008 Summer games page. If someone could get around to adding a foot note to the bottom explaining this rotation process on both pages, or just fixing it up, that'd be great. Otherwise, I'll get to it eventually. → J@red  21:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fencing Programme

message: I have modified this sentence:
:The terrorists demanded that Israel release numerous prisoners.
to:
:The terrorists demanded that Israel release numerous terrorists from prison.
While all 234 people who they demanded the release of may very well be terrorists, the label is always contentious and we need to have sufficient widespread consensus before applying it. I doubt we have that for all 234 people. As such, implying all the 234 people who they demanded the release of is against the NPOV. It's far better to just call them prisoners. It would equally be wrong to call them political prisoners for example. Just calling them prisoners is sufficiently neutral IMHO. Note that even the Munich massacre doesn't go as far as to call all the prisoners terrorists. Indeed it doesn't talk at all about the crimes of the prisoners which IMHO is the best thing. If you really feel the need to mention the crimes of the prisoners, it might be acceptable to say something like ", some of who are generally considered terrorists" or something like that. provided you can establish consensus on the crimes of these people. Wikipedia articles on a prisoner considered a terrorist would help... However if you do mention such a thing, bear in mind you open the door to people establishing a consensus that the some of the prisoners imprisonment may very well have been injust in which case you'd also have to mention that as well. Personally, I see it as unnecessary. You don't need to know about the crimes (or lack of said crimes) of the prisoners to establish that the action of the Munich terrorists was very wrong. And if you really feel the need to go in to detail on the crimes of any prisoners, the best place would surely be in the main article, not this brief summary here... Nil Einne 15:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm slightly confused.  Do you mean to say you modified it to "release numerous prisoners" from "release numerous terrorists from prison"?  That would seem to jive more with your explanation, which I completely agree with. -- Jonel | Speak 22:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prisoners 

message: I don't mean to be nitpicky, but the first Summer Olympic Games of the new millennium actually took place in Athens, not Sydney. 2000 was the final year of the last millennium (1001-2000).Politician818 01:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: It should be noted somewhere that some countries dont use the term "Olympic 'Summer' Games"; tropical countries have virtually no interest/athletes/competitions in so called 'Winter' sports, thus calling the "Olympic 'summer' Games" just Olympic Games.201.53.56.134 19:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is it called the Summer Olympics? Look its the Olympic Games (full stop) and the Winter Olympics 81.156.2.196 (talk) 23:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer/Winter 

message: There should be a list indicating in what year each country joined the Olympics. If there is a list please tell me.--F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 01:25, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Participating countries

message: The statement "On the bright side, drug testing and regulation authorities were catching up with the cheating that had been endemic in athletics for some years" is not particularly helpful to the topic nor is it objective, at least to me anyway.  Should the statement be edited or removed?  (Psychoneko (talk) 02:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable statement

message: I undid the edits to the previous version by Martin451, the vandalism was created by 69.38.75.237 and also, I believe, 168.216.221.169. Silica-gel (talk) 18:40, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism by 69.38.75.237 on 17:49, 16 April 2008

message: Is it worth mentioning 
* that the length of the Games is fixed at 16 days (with the Opening Ceremony on the evening of Day 0 and the Closing Ceremony on the evening of Day 16)?  cf:
**16 Days of Glory
** "The 1932 Olympics were the first to last 16 days. The duration of the Olympics has remained between 15 and 18 days ever since. Between 1900 and 1928, no Summer Olympics was shorter than 79 days.",
** "It was agreed that the current number of 16 days of competition should be confirmed for the future Olympic Programme."
* that since at least 1992, the Olympic football tournament (and possibly other events?) has started before the opening ceremony?
:jnestorius(talk) 10:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  16 Days 

message: From the lead:
Five countries - Australia, France, Great Britain, Greece and Switzerland - have sent teams to every single Summer Olympic Games.
From a later paragraph:
Notably, Greece, Great Britain and Australia did not withdraw, and remain the only nations to have competed in all summer games. 
:The articles France at the 1980 Summer Olympics and Switzerland at the 1980 Summer Olympics state that both those countries competed, but that to show support of the American-led boycott they did so under the Olympic Flage rather than their national flags. However, as the article 1980 Summer Olympics shows, thirteen other countries did the same, including Australia and Great Britain. All this to say, the later paragraph is wrong - or at least incomplete. I'll remove it. -EronTalk 20:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the second paragraph—which excludes France and Switzerland—is not referring to the 1980 Games, but earlier instances.  In France's case, they did not send a team to the 1904 Games, but a lone "Frenchman" (as he is described in the official report) competed.  See Albert Coray and France at the 1904 Summer Olympics.  In Switzerland's case, they boycotted the 1956 Melbourne Games, but they attended (and won a bronze medal at) the equestrian events that were held in Stockholm a few months earlier.  Some people don't credit Switzerland for attending the 1956 Games because of the boycott, but then you have the paradox of them showing up in the medal table for that one bronze!  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What countries attended all of the summer Olympics - article disagrees with itself

message: : Just ran through and fixed a bunch of spelling errors.  68.102.180.134 (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling fixes

message: This list has been removed twice, but I don't really understand why.  The first reason given was "There is no Olympic games "winner", the IOC does not officially recognize medal counts", and so I replaced the list, rephrasing it to remove the word "winners"; it was then removed again, the reason given was "Removed winners list. It is original research and goes against the IOC because there is no winner of the games.".  The list no longer claimed to show "winners", so I don't see what the problem is; it simply summarises the medals tables shown on other Wikipedia pages for the individual Olympiads.  The same information is available elsewhere on Wikipedia, this simply put it all in one place.  If this table is to be removed because "the IOC does not officially recognize medal counts", then why are all the other medals tables not removed too? Lukens (talk) 13:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it would be handy to have a single list showing the top medal-winning countries - that is the sort of thing people like to see. While it is arguably original research, as it is synthesizing material from another source into a new table, it is no worse than many of our other Olympic-related lists (e.g. List of multiple Olympic gold medalists) and just as useful. That said, I am not sure that it needs to be included in this article; why not create a new article for it? - EronTalk 14:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure if you are just stating the IOC's offical view or agreeing with it, but it sounds naive. It's all about the medal ranking by country for the majority of spectators, teams and nations taking part. You only have to look at each country's media coverage to see this. It is what drives the funding of athletes' training and national Olympic programmes. The IOC, which is expert at keeping one eye on the ideals and the other on the money, is quite happy to allow the organising committee of each games to give a medal ranking by country in its official results service, such as on the official website of www.beijing2008.com. Moreover, this nationalistic interest in the games did not start with the Cold War, though that did raise it to new heights, but national rivalries (such as between Britain and France) were well developed before WWII. Strayan (talk) 04:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It's just not a good idea to include those numbers on this list.  It applies WP:undue weight to the "winner" of each Games (especially since the IOC doesn't declare a "winner"), and it opens up another front in the edit-warring over which is more important: total medals or total gold only.  — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem still seems to be with the nations being termed "winners" yet all references to nations "winning" were removed from the section.  The IOC may not declare a winner, but medal tables are ubiquitous, and are included across wikipedia articles on the Olympics - pages for individual nations at individual games also often include where they ranked in the medals tables.  I don't see how it can be argued that a summary of the tables should not be included on this page, without medals tables also being removed from all other pages.  I do think it's a shame that this information is not currently available on Wikipedia.  The IOC may not recognise winners, but there is no denying that medals tables exist, and different nations finish at the top of them.  Do people who object to the summary table being included here have any problems with the idea of it being included as a page on its own (which would make it clear that the IOC do not recognise winning nations)?Lukens (talk) 07:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a discussion at WikiProject Olympics over the merits of this article's existance. Lukens (talk) 14:30, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Nations finishing at the top of the medals tables

message: (Firstly, sorry if this is not the best way to gain consensus; however, nobody seemed able to suggest what was the best method - if you know, please say what it is)
OK, so as it is probable that the separate articles will be deleted due to premature forking, we need, somehow, to come to a consensus on what should happen, I see three options:
# in main - have the list as part of this article
# separate article - have the list as an article in its own right (possible merged with the Winter Olympics one)
# delete - banish the list from Wikipedia altogether
Lukens (talk) 12:52, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to gain consensus 

message: The history section talks about the ancient games and the modern games, but the fact is there are two distinct phases of the so-called modern era. The games prior to the 1952 Helsinki Summer Games would be unrecognisable to us today, and comparisons across that divide (for instance in comparing medals won)  are rendered pretty meaningless. Before 1952 social and cultural condiditions prevailing in the leading participating countries excluded or disadvantaged people based on ethnicity, social class, and gender. It was a nonsense to suggest that the participating athletes were the best of their countries, when their sports organisations and social/political structures excluded or discouraged many groups. Some participating countries such as the Union of South Africa had racial policies that excluded by law some segments of their populations, while others such as Australia had de facto exclusions.
For these reasons I think the article should recognise that the games as we know them today -- the truly Modern Olympics -- date from Helsinki in 1952. Using London 1948 as the first of the modern games does not work because although it was the first post-war games, it was still badly affected by the war years and pre-war attitudes, and did not have the participation of Germany (West or East), Japan and the Soviet Union. Strayan (talk) 04:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the Games ignores social, cultural and political changes 

message: In the table List of Modern Summer Olympic Games, the numbers of "sports" in each games comes from the numbers LISTED on the official Olympic site, but clicking on the links to look at the list of actual sports on the programs in each Olympics reveals only that the IOC doesn't know how to count past seventeen.
From 1948 to 1960, the Olympics consisted of a basic seventeen sports:
01. Aquatics
02. Athletics
03. Basketball
04. Boxing
05. Canoe / Kayak
06. Cycling
07. Equestrian
08. Fencing
09. Football
10. Gymnastics
11. Hockey
12. Modern Pentathlon
13. Rowing
14. Sailing
15. Shooting
16. Volleyball
17. Wrestling
For 1964, the IOC added Judo and Volleyball to the program, bringing the number of sports to nineteen.
For 1968, the IOC (temporarily, as it turns out) removed Judo from the program, reducing the number of sports to eighteen.
For 1972, the IOC added Archery, Handball, and Judo to the program, bringing the number of sports to twenty-one.
For 1988, the IOC added Table Tennis and Tennis to the program, bringing the number of sports to twenty-three.
For 1992, the IOC added Badminton and Baseball to the program, bringing the number of sports to twenty-five.
For 1996, the IOC added Softball to the program, bringing the number of sports to twenty-six.
For 2000, the IOC added Taekwondo and Triathlon to the program, bringing the number of sports to the present day total of twenty-eight.
For 2012, the IOC has deleted Baseball and Softball from the program, which will reduce the number of sports to twenty-six.
Note in particular that the IOC numbers show twenty-eight sports for 1992, and only twenty-six for 1996, even though no sports were removed from the program (and softball was added).
--124.197.54.13 (talk) 08:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of sports in the Olympic Games 

message: Is there some way the cost of each event can be added to List of modern Summer Olympic Games? - 83.108.203.102 (talk) 07:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Costs 

message: The first two paragraphs are great, but the massive third paragraph and fourth paragraph are very much out of place. This is not the appropriate place for a detailed listing of the countries that have hosted the game and the frequency of hosting. Indeed, at this point, all we know is that medals are involved and some sports. More broad information should be presented in this section including the importance of the games in modern culture and examples of sports and their impact. Far too much detail on the hosts. Someone please change!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.163.250.68 (talk) 03:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the third paragraph re hosting was unnecessarily long and detailed. I have moved much of that detail out of the lead and into the body. Barryjjoyce (talk) 14:50, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening section is not very good 

message: If event/sport names such as "Water Polo" and "Synchronized Swimming" are wikified to "Water polo" and "Synchronzied swimming", why is this page not similarly wikified to "Summer olympic games"? It is also an event name.... - Hooperswim (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question on capitalizing names.... 

message: Why is Adolf Hitler the only world leader/head of state named without a title in the list of people who have opened the games? Should he not be listed as Führer Hitler or Chancellor Hitler?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.117 (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we could preface Schicklgruber's name with the title "Canceller of Germany" because that is what he did if observed objectively... Many large cities were canceled by bombing as well as a large parts of the german population, battalions of "hitlerjugend" child soldiers sent to battle T-34 tanks, millions of jews and gipsy gassed and cremated... 91.82.37.52 (talk) 11:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not entirely correct. From 1934 he wasn't only chancellor but also head of state but he wasn't referred to as chancellor any more, just as "the Führer". I understand however, that we can't name him this, therefore his name without a title is best. Everyone knows who Hitler was, so his name should suffice. --Maxl (talk) 18:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adolf Hitler 

message: The list of olympic sports includes races on the soil and water, but nothing contested overhead. There should be a paragraph in this article, explaining the lack of aviation: e.g. no presence for soarplaning, parachuting, rogallo wings, aerobatics. There is motorcycle racing in the summer olympics, disguised as motor-assisted pedal cycling and gunpowder based target shooting involves using a piece of machinery by each contestant.
This analogy shows there is no logical reason to exclude flight from the games. Significantly more people fly today compared to how many pedal cycles, ever since China started using motor-scooters. Why there is cycling in the games, but not aviation? The article should explain this hiatus! 91.82.37.52 (talk) 11:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Olympic sports explains why no air sports.  Do you have a source for Olympic cycling allowing motor-assisted bicycles?  The exclusion is on motorized propulsion, so gunpowder isn't really relevant. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 12:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics unexplained as a 2-dimensional event? 

message: The tally of Soviet medals doesn't add up in the All-time medal table. 395 gold medals plus 319 silver and 226 bronze make a total of 940, not 1010. So, is it either of the medal counts or the total that is wrong? /Ludde23 Talk Contrib 01:03, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway, the distinction of the Soviet Union more looks like Western?/Eastern? politics rather than showing Olypic spirit. It would be very easy to verify from which nations those medaillists were coming from (probably about 50% from Russia itself) and add them to the todays countries. Then we would have a proper medal table without any political blablabla, right? 178.197.233.117 (talk) 23:21, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medal discrepancy 

message: On February 6th, the 3 sports Wushu, Camel racing and Chess will be added to the Olympic sports since the 2014 Summer Youth Olympics in Nanjing, and the 2016 Summer Olympics in Rio de Janeiro.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:780:83B:203F:FAE9:B6EB:5D37 (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 Sports 

message: Following User:MaxxFordham's recent move of this page from Summer Olympic Games to Olympic Summer Games, I think there should have been a bit of discussion before this move, given the prominence of the article. The claim that the "Olympic Summer Games" is the common name doesn't seem entirely to stand up, given the presence of "Summer Olympic Games" on the Olympic website being near 2000, while Olympic Summer Games garners just over 400.  What are other people's take on the article? SFB 08:03, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange it is.  Backward we speak. Common phraseology that ignore we must.  Well you have by Yoda instructed he has been.  My point are you getting?  Recognize common names at wikipedia we must, lest understand our knowledge users might not.  Rock this boat, I understand not why we must. Trackinfo (talk) 08:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

text: The bottom line is that we do not change article names without bringing it up at the articles talk page first. And calling other users "crybabies"? Come on Maxx, even you can come up with something better to do then to throw a tantrum instead of discussing it like a grown up :)--BabbaQ (talk) 10:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @MaxxFordham, I suggest you have a read of WP:COMMONNAME before getting too precious about using the formal name. No doubt you would want to move Bill Gates to "William Henry Gates III", and United Kingdom to "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" - after all, that's their "official" name.Le Deluge (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name move 

message: The 1920 overlaps the 2012 on the Olympic map. We need a better map. Georgia guy (talk) 01:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japan color on the map should be blue now, since Japan has been twice the host country. Alubini 19:56, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympic map 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The article says that the games have been held on six continents. I only count five: Europe, Asia, North America, South America, Australia. The games have not been held in Africa or Antarctica. Shouldn't the number be five?Bill (talk) 23:24, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Continents

message: Why is there basically no mention of the Decathlon either here or on Olympic sports? 82.27.180.245 (talk) 19:06, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decathlon 

message: The Games are always opened by the head of state of the host nation, or their representative. So it is wrong to say that Hitler opened the 1936 Games in his capacity as Chancellor, or that Brezhnev opened the 1980 Games in his capacity as General-Secretary of the Communist Party. Hitler in 1936 was Germany's head of state with the title Führer und Reichskanzler (Leader and Imperial Chancellor). Brezhnev in 1980 was head of state of the Soviet Union with the title Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet. I realise these are both longer and clumsier formulations that the current ones, and also that people dislike using the German word Führer, but those were the capacities in which they opened their respective Games and the article should state this accurately. Constant Pedant (talk) 02:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Hitler and Brezhnev

message: The top performing team is the Unified Team not the Soviet Union, get it right 120.29.69.128 (talk) 04:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  1992 Summer Olympics