Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 24

message: (title and first entry modified to repair section editing) Carcharoth 16:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dates - Name - Major combatants
Would anyone object to such an arrangement? Kirill Lokshin 13:46, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds good. When looking at that list, I did spot :Category:Wars by combatant and :Category:Wars by country, which are similar categories that probably need merging. Carcharoth 17:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the comment at the top, I think that :Category:Wars by combatant was intended only for lists; given how small it is, maybe just merging it up to :Category:Lists of wars would be the best thing, at this point. Kirill Lokshin 17:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then it has the wrong name. Something like "Lists of wars by combatants" is the more proper naming convention, I believe. Then it fits perfectly in the Lists of wars section. Carcharoth 17:13, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of wars 

message: Hi there. I'm just passing through (very impressed with the organisation of this WikiProject), and wanted to point out an area of confusion currently existing in the category structure, and I also want to point out a couple of categories I created, but would welcome advice on this, or for people to finish what I started.
(1) Area of confusion in categories: there are conflicting instructions at the top of :Category:War and :Category:Wars. I would agree with the use of the category War for general topic articles, and the category Wars for list-like collections of wars. Wars could then be a subcategory of War, among other things.
(2) New categories: I recently created, or will soon create, :Category:War treaties and :Category:Armistices and :Category:Surrenders. :Category:Peace treaties already existed, and this and the other two are now children of the War treaties category (among other things). Hopefully these categories are useful and can be populated. Please change the category structure in this area or send them for deletion/renaming if that is thought best.
Hope this is all OK. Thanks. Carcharoth 15:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, see the discussion on #Top-level categories just above, where we're talking about some of these very issues ;-) Kirill Lokshin 15:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just one category called "Agreements" or something? I don't even know what a "war treaty" is, frankly. Where would the Non-Aggression Pact of 1939 fit in?  The discussion above has noted there are too many categories as is, I don't see the utility in creating even more. What exactly would go into "surrenders" for example? Michael Dorosh 15:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I only found two examples (click on the link above to see). I also found it difficult to distinguish precisely when something was a surrender. I agree that merging them all back into a larger category might be best. I just wanted somewhere to gather all the articles about the actual acts of signing something to formally end a war. The sequence seems to go truce/ceasefire, then an armistice, and then, over a longer period, the negotiation of a peace treaty. That's if both sides agree to end the war. The extreme is total capitulation and an unconditional surrender. Well, actually, I suppose the extreme is conquering a country, or destroying, say, a city entirely (I'm thinking of historical wars here, rather than modern ones that tend to end in some sort of diplomatic solution, forced or otherwise). Carcharoth 16:28, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've created :Category:Military diplomacy (open to a better name here) to serve as the root category for things like peace treaties, disarmament agreements, alliances, and so forth.  Once we finish cleaning the top-level categories of articles misplaced there, we should have a better idea of how many sub-categories this will need. Kirill Lokshin 15:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories clean-up needed? 

message: Has anyone else read Sezessionskrieg on the German wiki? My erman is not good enough to rewrite it, but it is generally not NPOV and leans towards the South. Here is google's translation. evrik 22:34, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American Civil War in Other Languages

message: There's a discussion here that could really use a few more opinions. Kirill Lokshin 01:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casus belli in military conflict infobox 

message: Template:Campaignbox Axis-Soviet War is (once again) the subject of an edit war in regards to which engagements should be listed.  Any additional input on the talk page that could help us come to a consensus on how to deal with it would be extremely appreciated! Kirill Lokshin 15:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am getting sick and tired of this, so I have created some campaignboxes to illustrate what they should look like, and added them as a test at the bottom of the Toropets-Kholm Operation article I started yesterday. Andreas 07:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campaignbox Axis-Soviet War 

message: Good day for the project. Today featured in DYK: article I started on the Toropets-Kholm Operation and an article on the French light cruiser Marseillaise.  Andreas 14:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! Kirill Lokshin 16:37, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 17:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two articles from the project on the main page