Talk:Ulysses S. Grant National Historic Site

message: *Support merging Grant's Farm and Ulysses S. Grant National Historic Site since these articles apparently pertain to the same place.- Gilliam (talk) 05:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: Here is why the material that is being added to this article is getting removed:  1)  It appears to be a WP:COPYVIO from some other web site.  We can't do that.  2)  The material is completely unsourced, so we have no footnotes or citations to know WHERE it came from.  Please read WP:CITE, WP:V, and WP:RS for how to properly attribute things.  3)  The material is not properly formatted with headings and subheadings.  Now, if problems 1 and 2 were dealt with, problem 3 is minor, but it is not worth the time of another editor to work on formatting when the whole thing is a copy and paste anyway.  Rewrite the material in your own words and provide proper references and citations to your sources, and then the material can stay.  It's no great conspiracy; it's just not done correctly.  Asking people for help instead of instantly attacking them is the best way to get what you need to do completed.  Montanabw(talk) 02:02, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because something is on the web it doesn't mean it's not copyrighted. ... discospinster talk 02:22, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: Not entirely true, and even so, it still has to be sourced and not copied and pasted.  Montanabw(talk) 02:25, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that it wasn't written by a third party, so it may well be public domain. Perhaps there is a template that can be added to note this. ... discospinster talk 02:27, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is one:  ... discospinster talk 02:31, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We use that one mostly for images.  Montanabw(talk) 02:57, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: IRRELEVANT!!!!  You still can't just copy and paste the whole thing here without attribution!  That is PLAGIARISM.  If a college kid copied and pasted that web site and turned it in, calling it their term paper, they'd flunk the class because it is PLAGIARISM.  You are the editor and contributor of the material, hence YOU are responsible to say where you got it and so on...  Montanabw(talk) 02:56, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: NO!  You are still copying it verbatim and passing it off as your own work.  That is called plagiarism!  Please read this:  Wikipedia:Plagiarism.  Montanabw(talk) 03:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

text: The article includes a link that indicates the source (http://www.nps.gov/ulsg/historyculture/slaveryatwh.htm) and I've added the links for the other paragraphs. ... discospinster talk 05:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: It seems likely that an editor on this page is closely connected with the topic of the article. That would create what we call a conflict of interest. Conflict of interest editors are strongly advised not to edit the article directly, but are always welcome to make suggestions for improvement on the talk page (i.e., this page). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible conflict of interest