Talk:Surrender (military)

message: A history with no dates, not even rough ones (e.g., "in the middle ages") is not a history. Can someone find some dates, please?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.99 (talk) 15:09, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  History? 

message: As stated, this is not relevant.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcocker2 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  France Again 

message: Yeah, that France mention seems like it was added as a subtle joke. I'm going to go ahead and delete it...
Err is it just me or should France not be in the see also? It might not be NPOV.
-81.104.135.154 23:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  France? 

message: I was taught just last year the 5 S's are 
Secure,
Search,
Segregate,
Safeguard,
and Speed to the rear
not what you have written down. But it was my Sargent Major who taught us that so I believe him a whole heck of a lot more then your non-sourced 5 S's.
That is all.
:Well, yes, it is unsourced. Did he teach that from a specific publication or something else from the War Department that can be looked up and/or referenced? 68.39.174.238 23:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 S's 

message: The armistice article states a key aspect of armistice is that "all fighting ends with no one surrendering." The surrender (military) article states that a surrender between nations is achieved by the signing of an armistice.  Both lack any citations. Obviously one of these statements is wrong. ialsoagree (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armistice and Surrendering 

message: You've missed one form of surrender, the best for the loser, meaning the honourable surrender (French: "reddition dans l'honneur"; German: "ehrenvollen Kapitulation"; Italian: "onore delle armi"), when the loser army parades with flags and band between two wings of winners in military formation, showing the weapons.
The last times this rite was performed were: after the siege of Gaeta in 1861; at the end of Franco-Prussian War in 1871; during First World War Austrians gave this honour to the Granatieri di Sardegna. During Second World War Germans granted this honour to Frenchmen in 1940 and Allies acknowledged this honour to Italians four times: after Amba Alagi surrender, after Al Alamein battle, after battle of Tunisia and to X M.A.S. at the end of the war.  Lele giannoni (talk) 13:09, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Honourable surrender 

message: The following pic is one of the most iconic picture of any surrender by a military in the world. Its an actual, explicit picture of a  Lt Gen from a defeated army signing  a real instrument of surrender following his force's defeat. Its neither a portrait, nor a picture implying a surrender, it shows a real surrender. The picture should be added on the page. I invite people's input regarding objection or support to the said edit, for discussion. Thanks. 
 Barthateslisa (talk) 17:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have not explained why you saw it fit to remove the Surrender of Japan - USS Missouri image which has been there for a long time, to replace it with this one. Also, given your pro-India POV pushing, your edit seems pointy and tendentious. Mar4d (talk) 08:28, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have very well explained the nature of this photo which makes it iconic, unlike the picture of Surrender of Japan, this one actually shows a defeated army signing the instrument of surrender. I would ask other users to refrain from commenting about other user's nationality. I have also observed a certain pro-Pakistan POV in Mar4d's objection regarding the pic, may be he/she doesn't like the subject of the picture under discussion, I am nobody to judge. The subject of the page is 'Surrender', the photograph of Pakistan's signing of instrument of surrender in 1971 is a famous photograph, which should be added on this page, it can be added in addition to the picture of surrender of Japan. Barthateslisa (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

text: In this edit, you removed the current picture with an edit summary stating you believe the 1971 picture is "more relevant". Mar4d (talk) 11:52, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

text: — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

text: That being said, this image and others from the same event appeared well above The Capitulation of Granada. So I say add it. If there's not enough room, or it looks bad, remove the first image. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rfc : Shouldn' this Photograph of Pakistan's surrender in 1971 be added? 

message: * Support, Suggestion add the photo to a gallery section. Note I have never seen this photo, I would not refer to the photo as the most iconic.CuriousMind01 (talk) 11:42, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

text: That being said, this image and others from the same event appeared well above The Capitulation of Granada. So I say add it. If there's not enough room, or it looks bad, remove the first image. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:08, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The picture File:Surrender of Japan - USS Missouri.jpg's placement may make it appear to be related to the "False surrender" section, while not particularly important, it may be misleading, should it be moved? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:10, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When an article is somewhat short, image placement is usually not closely tied to content.  This article could obviously be expanded a great deal, so this is a semi-problem that will fix itself over time.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of File:Surrender of Japan - USS Missouri.jpg 

message: If we can have four photos, how about four different stages or types of surrendering?  (1) the formal surrender like Cornwallis's shown.  (2) a signing like the Indian-Pakistani one or this one from the USS Missouri surrender, this showing the signing  (3) showing the use of a white flag by individual soldiers:  or , and (4) showing raised-hands surrender:  and  and  --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 11:46, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rethink of photos 

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message: Just thought it would be nice to talk about how planes go about surrendering. Space772 (talk) 06:49, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surrender in plane