Talk:Gan Chinese

message: Should the standardized pinyin be used to transliterate the phenomes? or does gan have it's own pinyin? (I don't know of any). The present Wade-Giles is used by the Cantonese...  207.61.212.92 (talk) 01:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the transcription (you cannot transliterate from Chinese characters) seems to contain some sort of error or unclarity, since "ts" is used for both ts 渣 and tsʰ 茶. Based on the underlying logic I would expect ts 渣 to be transcribed as dz or z. --Sannaj (talk) 19:53, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinyin 

message: Will peolpe call English "English Germanic"? I'm afraid not. This name is full of nonsense. --Symane TALK 11:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are good reasons for the current name: see in particular Naming Conventions (Chinese), especially the section on Language/dialect NPOV, as well as that article's talk page (and archives) and the article Varieties of Chinese. In brief "Gan" on its own would be too ambiguous while e.g. "Gan language" would be challenged on language NPOV grounds. --JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 12:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Even linguists don't have a clear guidline to distinguish a "language" and a "dialect", I don't see any ground that Wikipedia or some users could hold to absorb so many Sinitic languages into the "Chinese". I'd never express dissent if the article be entiled "Gan (linguistic)" that is the best way to find a balance between "language" and a "dialect", but it's never acceptable in regard to Gan Chinese.--Symane TALK 13:01, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's not about linguistics, or the linguistics of Chinese or a part of it. As well as the above links the article summarises the dispute quite well in Gan Chinese#Classification.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 15:38, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: wikt:linguistics means the "scientific study of language", so any words to describe a language (or "dialect") belong to this notion. Moreover, "Gan (linguistic)" is to differentiate from Gan (river) or Gan (opera), so Gan followed by "linguistic" is absolutely appropriate. If you still insist, maybe Gan (language) is a good choice for us.--Symane TALK 22:19, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

text: I've added a request for comment below to get some other opinions on this as I don't think I've persuaded you and you've certainly not persuaded me. I may seem set in my ways on this but that's as I've been involved in essentially the same naming dispute over at Yue Chinese, a.k.a. Cantonese (Yue), on and off since last year.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds 22:47, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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