Talk:Historical fiction

message: Why only anglophone authors?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.37.113.198 (talk) 21:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Authors

message: I've asked around and since no one had any opinion I have re-instated an article for this literary genre.  I feel that the old redirect to historic novel was done hastily, and essentially limited the genre to one medium and caused some confusion among users that were redirected there.  So I was bold, and here we are. Hewinsj 03:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call, 'historical fiction' and 'historical novel' probably shouldn't have been merged in the first place. --Xiaphias 10:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re-loaded

message: Hello. I'm sorry if I'm using the wrong space for this, but this is my first time using a talk page, and I had trouble figuring out the system. I've created a website which lists over 2000 historical novels, organized by time and place. It also includes a list of authors with links to author websites. I think it would be a good link to add to the Historical Fiction page. It's at http://HistoricalNovels.info if you would like to consider it. Thanks!
Margaret Donsbach (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, your in the right place. WP policy occasionally frowns on linking to so called fan sites, but what you have could be considered it an academic review of the subject.  That said I added a link to your site with a brief description in the external links portion of the article. Thanks for the contribution and feel free to add to the article if you have time and can think of anything that hasn't been said. Hewinsj (talk) 07:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External link

message: I'm not sure if you may run into a problem with the historical drama genre, since it seems like some of the info may overlap, but it may be worth it to have a look.  I also agree that a split was needed, however.  María (habla conmigo) 15:33, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Film genre

message: Less 'honest'y; more verisimilitude! Less passive voice!  EBritannica nonwithstanding, 'stories' (='novels') do not make attempts, 'honest' or otherwise; writers do that --in the active voice if they have good editor(s). I subbed fictional for alternate because a different use of alternate (i.e., alternate history) is provided in the article below.  Suggestion: Would not the (two) numbered footnotes be better as simple references --there are no quotations or challenges involved-- and perhaps more of the above references might be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbeans (talk • contribs) 09:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Encyclopedia Britannica nonwithstanding...

message: I'm not quite happy with the lengthy list of examples of authors. I removed all the non-notable entries (where neither author nor book had their own article), but the remainder is still far from optimal. Thus I'll remove Erich Maria Remarque and Dickens' Oliver Twist. In both cases the books can't properly be called "historical"; Remarque draws on personal experience, and Oliver Twist was set in the present, not in the past. I'll add Tolstoy's War and Peace and Dumas' Three Musketeers instead. I'd prefer a method to only list the "most significant" examples, but that's probably subjective, and I can't think of good criteria for significance. Huon (talk) 15:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be possible to create a category tag for works of historical fiction and apply them to articles which fall into the category?  Wikipedia would then create a list on the back end for items marked with the tag.  We can then limit the lists here to some arbetrary number of items so that they don't grow out of control. Hewinsj (talk) 16:55, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of examples 

message: This article seems to overlap considerably with Historical novel.  Historical novel# Authors of the past and Historical novel#Living authors seem to cover the same ground as Historical fiction#Literature. Should we remove all novels from this article (except perhaps an example or two),since that's a subtopic?   Will Beback  talk   08:44, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think I would disagree with that.  The list has gotten much longer than it probably should have, so some maintinance might not be a bad thing.  Could we agree on a maximum number of examples to display with this article? 5-10 maybe? Hewinsj (talk) 17:12, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

text: A further point is that 'Historicl fiction' has little content other than lists. Perhaps this article could be merged/deleted. The article Historical drama film can better deal with movies, and presumable TV as well. Rwood128 (talk) 13:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication with [[Historical novel]] 

message: Two new paragraphs have been added to the lead of this article, that seem to be discussing films that fall into the historical fiction genre.  We aren't supposed to introduce new information to an article via the lead, so is there any way we can move this into the body of the article? Hewinsj (talk) 10:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this down to the film/television section,but it sounds incomplete.  I'm also not sure if this is specifically referring to sword and sandal movies or historical fiction as a whole.  Hewinsj (talk) 17:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent additions to lead 

message: Is historical fiction a genre that anyone studies seriously? Insofar as it is studied seriously:
Does the genre imply a setting outside living memory? 
In contrast, may even autobiographical fiction qualify? --P64 (talk) 00:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How recent history? 

message: Maximilianklein (talk) 23:31, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: WorldCat Genres

message: The sub-heading 'Antiquity' needs to be clarified as it is ambiguous. Rwood128 (talk) 12:19, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:   Literary exemples by time period: Antiquity 

message: Surely works like the following are better described as adventure novels: Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island (1883) and Captain Blood (1922) by Rafael Sabatini. 
I will remove them unless there are objections.Rwood128 (talk) 11:01, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nautical fiction and pirate novels 

message: I'll try and work on this, especially re the French authors, where I did some cut and paste work. Rwood128 (talk) 16:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for citations 

message: Many (most?) historical novels are also historical romances, though the term novel doesn't seem appropriate for works like  War and Peace and Buddenbrooks. See "Definition". Perhaps this needs clarifying. Rwood128 (talk) 14:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical romance 

message: Thaddeus of Warsaw by Jane Porter is considered by some critics to be an historical novel, even though it was published in 1803 and deals with events in the 1790s (eg.  and ). Margaret Doody, in The True Story of the Novel, p. 295, seems also to share this opinion.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this matter, and in particular a good source that provides a clear definition of this alternate form of historical fiction.  
See also, Talk page for "Thaddeus of Warsaw": . Rwood128 (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Thaddeus of Warsaw an historical novel? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There seems to be some serious confusion in the sections as far as categorizing into the forms of art. For example: (1) The section Historical fiction in performing arts contains the subsection Historically based comics and graphic novels, where graphic novels or any from of illustrated art for that matter is NOT a performing art. (2) The section Historical fiction in the visual arts contains subsections on plays, opera and reenactments which on the other hands ARE performing arts. Any other contributors kindly share your take; I'm considering editing and reclassifying the sections as appropriate. —DA1 (talk) 02:40, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sections and categorizing 

message: In the 19th century section I changed "The Scarlet Letter (1850) by Nathaniel Hawthorne...is, perhaps, the most famous 19th-century American historical novel." to "The Scarlet Letter (1850) by Nathaniel Hawthorne...is one of the most famous 19th-century American historical novels." My sense is that if you need to include "perhaps" in a claim of noteworthiness and don't have the references to claim something is "the most famous" then it should be "one of the most famous" unless you'd rather say "many historians consider it to be the most famous," in which case the reference would need to say so. I didn't write the original sentence and I'm not a The Scarlet Letter expert, so I may have misstepped in my re-writing of it. I welcome others to further revise. That said, I recommend against indecisive language in making claims of noteworthiness. -Dugan Murphy (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording claims about noteworthiness 

message: Expanding the series list to include
We Were There series 
I Survived series 107.197.56.204 (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children and teen examples 

message: The unofficial category of Modern Historical Fiction would include many novels written in recent years, set in the relatively recent past, such as the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s. These books are neither contemporary nor technically historical. Examples include Malibu Rising by Taylor Jenkins Reid and Distorted Perceptions by Paula Puddephatt. 86.15.129.200 (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Historical or Nostalgia Fiction