Talk:Titian

message: I corrected the location of Titian's tomb to the Frari (and included the full name of that church, plus a remark about his being the only church burial allowed during that plague outbreak. rturus 15:43, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: tomb

message: What was considered to be Titian's greatest work?
--216.135.84.188 16:05, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the Venus of Urbino would be his most well known, so perhaps his greatest. Cfitzart 08:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest 

message: Wasn't a color of red also named after Titian?  At least that's what I've read.
:Yes. I can't see where to incorporate this into the article, but it's used to describe auburn hair. This is part of the entry from the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary. "2. Designating a bright golden auburn colour of hair favoured by Titian in his pictures. Also Titian red." (I missed out the other definitions, which are a noun for a picture or for a person with this hair, and an adjective for "like Titian".) Perhaps someone could incorporate a mention of this colour and its association with his models into the article? 
:Telsa (talk) 09:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colors 

message: Sorry, but I had to tag this after seeing such comments as:
"...the most beautiful example of which is the wonderful Christ of The Tribute Money, at Dresden, a face whose delicacy, spirituality, and moral charm have never been surpassed by any other School."
and this:
"Titian is a painter who by wondrous magic of genius and of art satisfies the eye, and through the eye the feelings, sometimes the mind."
I'll try to help, but I think this needs a complete copyedit to help with biased statements such as these. Rampart 13:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Most writing about art is written in that sort of style, it is difficult to talk about without using those sort of words. But that 'wondrous magic of genius' sentence is a little too much. I'll remove that Cfitzart 00:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

text: That 1st section you mentioned was a copyvio from the Catholic Encyclopedia  which I removed too. Cfitzart 00:23, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Catholic Encyclopedia has passed into the public domain. If the Wikipedia article had ripped off the electronic presentation from the link you give, that would be a copyvio; but the text itself belongs to the public already. eritain 00:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV template

message: The art theorist Giovanni Lomazzo in 1590 declared Titian "the sun amidst small stars not only among the Italians but all the painters of the world" [quoted in the Britannica-2004]. --Ghirla -трёп- 20:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening 

message: I feel this link is sub-par at best.  It is very hard to read and poorly put together.  I am going to see if I can find another source for the information which cites it so it can be removed.  If anyone else wants to change it, please feel free. --Saint savin 20:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fakes In Museums Link 

message: The painting of the huntress (fifth image down, I think?) is missing a title in the caption. I don't know enough about Titian to complete this by myself, but I thought I would point it out. Does someone else know what it is? Still 21:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really want to know the title, just click on the image. --Ghirla -трёп- 10:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: As the fine print at the bottom indicates, that page is just a mirror of Wikipedia's article. —Celithemis 00:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Title of Painting 

message: I am in complete agreement with others who have drawn attention to the preposterously florid language in this article. Where on earth did the original text come from? The whole thing reads like a parody of artistic criticism. It badly needs paring down to just the salient facts about the artist's life and works. It must be possible to comment on the relevant changes in his style, technique etc. in an objective and rational manner.Godingo 22:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  General style of text 

message: So was Francesco his younger or older brother? This Titian article claims both. "Francesco Vecellio, his younger brother, later became a painter of some note in Venice" and "Francesco Vecellio, his elder brother, was introduced to painting by Titian". The Wikipedia article about Francesco states that he was Titian's elder. The Grove Dictionary of Art states that Francesco was Titian's older brother and was already trained as a painter in Venice when Titian joined him there. From what I know I am inclined to think Francesco was the older brother, even though he came under the influence of Titian at a later point, but as I haven't studied this matter thoroughly I hesitate to make changes. In any case both of the quoted sentences are factually incorrect as far as I'm aware. 88.114.240.85 18:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titian's brother Francesco Vecellio 

message: The caption of the picture includes the words "the classiest painter north of Rome." Possibly vandalism, but I cannot find an earlier version of the page with text that seems more appropriate.66.99.254.5
I'd noticed that before, also. Replaced 'classiest' with 'preeminent'. JNW 16:46, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. JNW (talk) 01:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I would have said the other was more common in English. Johnbod (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Under "growth" section

message: The article now states that Titian is a representative of High Renaissance art. But isn't this wrong both chronologically and stylistically? Didn't the High Renaissance peak around 1500-1520, nearly a century before Titian began to be important? And isn't his own style--exuberant, wild gestures, with rough, impressionistic brush strokes--quite at odds with the Renaissance? Interlingua 14:07, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, and no, to answer briefly. How did Titian "begin to be important" ca. 1600? Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaissance or Mannerism?

message: We have conflicting information on his year of death, with the infobox saying 1572 and the article's leader saying 1576, so which is right? TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, someone fixed it as I was writing the above message. :) TheRetroGuy (talk) 12:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear, those are the year of birth, not death. Johnbod (talk) 11:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia entry regarding the age of Titian at his death has just been discussed on the BBC's The Daily Politics show with Andrew Neill. During PMQs last week Gordon Brown said Titian died at the age of 90; the leader of the oppposition, David Cameron stated this week during PMQs that the PM was wrong, and that Titian died at 86. So the researchers at the Daily Politics checked Wikipedia, and came up with the answer of 91 (to laughter in the studio). Is Wikipedia correct? Rebel Redcoat (talk) 14:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See the article! No one knows when he was born, and many scholars suspect he played up his age at the end of his life. The article does not commit to any dob, but discusses the issue - more BBC inaccuracy, it seems! Johnbod (talk) 13:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: You are completely wrong and the BBC accurately quoted Wikipedia. If you could be bothered to look at the history of this article, looking back before the 11th of February and David Cameron's notorious gaffe, the date given for Titian's birth in Wikipedia is 1485.  However, since the 11th of February 2009, Titian has mysteriously lost three years of his life.  Actually, Titian himself believed and often asserted in public, that he was born in 1477, which would have made him 99 years old on his deathbed.       —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.61.125 (talk) 12:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The fact people are unsure of this painters birth year should be made very clear in the opening paragraph so everyone is clear this isnt an exact date and is disputed to prevent such things happening again. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is - just not quite clear enough for a BBC researcher. Maybe they should use the Simple English WP. Also this is further evidence of how infoboxes mislead. Johnbod (talk) 13:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only evidence of how inaccurate/incomplete information in infoboxes misleads. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text:  A quick look at the intro and the infobox does not make it clear the year of his birth is disputed. We dont hear about that until reading part of the article. People should be clear from the introduction the year of his birth is disputed. The info box is misleading and that should be changed. Its better to include no information than inaccurate information.  BritishWatcher (talk) 13:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I referenced the Metropolitan Museum of Art's timeline  which says - c.1488-1576...Modernist (talk) 13:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is ok as is....Modernist (talk) 13:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The date is clearly still disputed and that should be written in the introduction to avoid people assuming its just the day / month thats not known when infact people have no clue about his birth year. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not really "disputed" - everybody agrees that nobody knows. Johnbod (talk) 13:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Different sources say different things there for its disputed aswell as unknown. Anyway recent changes certainly make it more clear the date is unknown, rather than before when it was misleading. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we oughta dig em up and carbon date him...Modernist (talk) 13:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The change is better thanks, id blame the conservatives researchers more than the BBCs. They should of found out the date was unclear before attacking the PM over it. BritishWatcher (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think both parties have been exposed: choosing only the information that fit their own view and ignoring contrary evidence. Brown should have known that the historical consensus (for the moment) is that Titian was likely dead at 90; Cameron should have known that there's still an arguement that Titian was alive at 90. I can see the article in the papers tomorrow: "So, when was Titian born?" 8o) 77.96.103.219 (talk) 13:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: That article is interesting. Ofcourse it is wrong to claim they tried to make his birthdate later, what that edit by the IP linked to the Conservative party did was change the guys death date, saying he died 4 years earlier which is a pretty pathetic thing to do.  BritishWatcher (talk) 14:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sam, no party-political bias has been averred. One may, although, suggest that interested journalists should be directed to academic works on Titian and not rely solely on one source (i.e. wikipedia) for their information!77.96.103.219 (talk) 14:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The BBC did not rely solely on what wikipedia said, they checked it and looked into the matter further. Sams comment is more about the fact that someone with an IP linked to the Conservative Party (dont know if its true) but they edited this article to make it appear this guy had died several years earlier. That kind of vandalism is pathetic and troubling if its being done by a political party. BritishWatcher (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know about the IP, but the editors previous contributions  suggest this might be true. The Waugh blog uses the wrong diff of course - the one he wants is this one. Johnbod (talk) 15:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pleased that my ref is effecting British politics....hmmm If only I could make a ref to affect the economy..Modernist (talk) 15:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  lol i see the page has been updated to say "3PM UPDATE: CCHQ sources tell me it was "an over enthusiastic member of staff" who was responsible for the amendment and the operation was totally unauthorised." BritishWatcher (talk) 15:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And desperately half-hearted. Couldn't even be bothered to alter the lead or main text.77.96.103.219 (talk) 15:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to warn both sides, both those who want to substantiate David Cameron and those who want to indict him. Strange that the 15th century birth year of a renaissance painter should be so important in contemporary British politics but I suppose stranger things have happened. Sam Blacketer (talk) 15:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: As the BBC says at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7884121.stm --Rumping (talk) 16:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole episode has made Brown and Cameron look like a right pair of Titians. Perhaps instead of debating the lifespan of a long dead artist, they should be doing something to help those hit hardest by their mutual love of big business economics. Riversider (talk) 16:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true. They're (wait for it)... wiki-fiddling while Rome burns.  92.233.117.147 (talk) 17:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age at death 

message: Perhaps I'm over-zealous, but I've protected the page temporarily. --Dweller (talk) 16:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wise move. Semi protection or full? Computerjoe's talk 16:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I made it full protection for a week. I'll be going offline soonish, and am happy if consensus emerges for a change, for any admin to make that change. No need to consult with me. --Dweller (talk) 16:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: For what it's worth, it seems to me that a week's protection is a reasonable response. Every hack and journo with an art history degree will want to edit the page for the next couple of days, but everybody will have forgotten about it in a week. (Aside: it's a tribute to the integrity of UK politics that neither party has appears to have a robust and well-informed team of secret sock-puppets.) Macguba (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I would suggest that semi-protection should be enough after the week is out. Possibly the page needs to be referenced to hard-copy sources. Lawdroid (talk) 16:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Done. BencherliteTalk 16:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

text: It was hardly a row in the Commons - just one line used by Cameron and Brown didn't rise to it. It was afterwards on the BBC with Andrew Neil declaring what "the art editor" had messaged him to say he'd researched on Wikipedia that started this off. (And this is not the first time the BBC have done all their research here.) Timrollpickering (talk) 17:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why has an 'In the news' section been added to this article. The comment by Cameron was merely to demonstrate - as he saw it - the innacuracy of recent Gordon Brown statements. It's little more than a transient piece of trivia and has nothing to do with Titian, his life, his work. This section should be removed. Rebel Redcoat (talk) 18:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt so, but let's give it a week or so or people will just try to re-add it. Perasonally I favour leaving the article unprotected in the hope that some people drawn in by the controversy improve it - there is plenty of room for that.  The affair is still in the UK evening news btw, now the conservatives have owned up to one of their people making the change. Johnbod (talk) 18:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it should stay in the article, it is notable and sourced, but rather than have its own 'in the news' sub-heading it should be merged into the 'Present Day' section. I'd also agree that leaving the article unprotected might draw in some experts who can improve the article.Lord Cornwallis (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just read the section and personally think the story about Cameron / Brown has no place in the article.  It might have been interesting for a week a couple of years ago but it says far more about PMQ's than it ever does about Titian, it's a fatuous way to end the page and should be deleted. David T Tokyo (talk) 08:21, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Maybe we can get the Scots Nats involved, since they have invested so much in Titian? Kbthompson (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would take an artist of Titian's skill to do justice to those politicians' blushes.Riversider (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: About two hours ago, "and then directed the BBC to the article for them to use as verification" was inserted into the article: .  The text was placed inside a body of text that was already cited.  Looking at the source cited, I cannot see that the source verifies the new text installed.  I believe the text should be removed as a result, which is something I can't do since I am not autoconfirmed.  Thank you very much in advance if my request is responded to.  Allventon (talk) 02:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I'll remove it, but if anyone knows a source, please add here. I haven't the heart to add Brown's other mistakes:"I'm reminded of the story of Titian, who's the great painter who reached the age of 90, finished the last of his nearly 100 brilliant paintings, and he said at the end of it, 'I'm finally beginning to learn how to paint," (same Telegraph link) - he did (in whole or part) way over 100 paintings (hardly surprising with a career of over 70 years) & the quote is usually (as in our article) placed as being made at the age of 70. Now no politician will venture into art history for a decade, unfortunately. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you Johnbod.  If I come across a relevant source I will add it, and I have also got in contact with the user who added the text to ask for a reliable source to verify his entry.  Allventon (talk) 02:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually there is this  from the Daily Mail "Activists then ..." - not sure if that's enough. Johnbod (talk) 03:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find.  I would like to, as I think you have suggested, find more reliable sources backing up the assertion that there was an attempt to direct the BBC to this article, just to be safe.  Allventon (talk) 03:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just mentioned about this in Year of Birth above. I think my dates may be more accurate.--Artypants (talk) 09:12, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

text: The television clip saying that the Conservatives pointed the BBC at Wikipedia is embedded in the BBC article  --Rumping (talk) 21:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So it is - I'll add it back. Thanks Johnbod (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request change from non autoconfirmed user. 

message: The Louvre website gives Titian's birth as 1488/1490, the National Gallery's website as c.1487. Why are these excluded whereas the Met. Museum and Getty Inst. are deemed fit for inclusion?(both c.1488). The National Gallery ref was present yesterday, but has since been deleted.Catiline63 (talk) 09:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual Titian page on the National Gallery website doesn't give a date, and the relevant NG catalogue ("Gould" - which doesn't either; despite a long discussion, it just says "active before 1511") is now referenced in full.  The more recent summary NG catalogue just says "active about 1506".  What was there before was just a caption on a summary page of the website, not really a suitable reference. There are no doubt dozens of different ways of expressing what is essentially the same view.  The Getty summarizes information from a large number of specialist sources (listed at the bottom of the page) and that is cwhy is the preferred reference on issues of names and dates. Johnbod (talk) 11:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The range is extended by the Hope quote already there. I think with 2 online sources already  we should stick to the best print sources thereafter, since we have no shortage of these; websites, even of major museums, are usually put together by seperate teams from the curators and often contain strange mistakes, though 1490 is no doubt the Louvre's actual view. The Prado catalogue says "after 1485", the Wallace Collection one (Ingamells) says "c.1472/83", referring to Gould, who doesn't I think support that range, though he comes to no conclusion.  I see Charles Hope, one of the major Titian scholars, has changed his mind in recent years; the London Venice exhibition catalogue of 1983 (p. 218) has him arguing for a date "in the first half of the 1480s". Given the very variable quality of the rest of the article, I think we have enough on this issue. Johnbod (talk) 13:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A wise move, and illustrative of the modern consensus view. Thought for the sake of completeness (and to limit arguements), I'd retain the wider range. Thus "born 1473/1490 (probably c.1488/1490)". Catiline63 (talk) 13:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what I meant. I'll do it then. Johnbod (talk) 13:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louvre and National Gallery 

message: Does the recent argument about Titian's age really deserve its own mention on the article, especially including the bit about wikipedia itself? I dont mind if everyone else supports its mention, but i think it should have some agreement before putting something thats only been "big" news for 24 hours and only for people in the UK on the main article. Does William Shakespeares article get edited every time someone misquotes one of his famous lines when trying to appear smart? i doubt it.  BritishWatcher (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is precedent for including eg current exhibitions in an artist's article. I think the fact that the article itrself was brought in makes it more relevant. If we took it out now people would only re-insert it, but in a few months it may seem less worth keeping. I see it has been mentioned in the media in several other countries, if briefly, and the weekend is still to come. Johnbod (talk) 02:00, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it does merit mentioning, it wasn't just "someone" but the British PM and the Leader of the Opposition who were involved in the argument. I would, however, advocate taking away the Davos qoute and just having the single ininital paragraph. I'd also lose the mention of the fact that the year of Titian's birth was unceirtain, as that is already covered sufficently earlier in the article. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 02:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is, but we know many won't look at that. There was actually a flat statement that he died at 90 in the final years section, that nobody referred to or altered while the whole thing was going on (now amended). Johnbod (talk) 03:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BritishWatcher. I thought we were moving on with our lives. :) Wallie (talk) 19:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  So did i until i saw the whole incident added to the main article. Like i say i dont mind if everyone is ok with it being included, just seemed not important enough to be included in my opinion. It was hardly big news in the UK let alone the rest of the world. BritishWatcher (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is amusing and self-referential, but not notable.  Leave it to WP:Signpost tomorrow --Rumping (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also think it a minor dispute over the age of the painter between two politicians is hardly significant enough to be mentioned in the painter's biography; it's 'recentism' and it's a self-reference, both of which are mistakes. Sam Blacketer (talk) 14:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: [Outdent] I'd agree with most of these observations - if we remove it, while the topic remains in the news (e.g. today's repeat of Any Questions, and Any Answers - both of which mentioned this article) it will be readded in a form that is 'unencylopaedic'. However, once out of the news I think it should be excised - in the end it is just trivia. I'd say give it a couple of weeks, and the world will have moved on. Kbthompson (talk) 14:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: wha...! an MP editted the article! which one of you is the MP responsible? seriously i believe this should just be added to the flagged revisions thread, this will be another reason why Jimbo wants flagged revisions.--Lerdthenerd (talk) 08:57, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The recent dispute 

message: It would be interesting to have information that would clarify the vandalism and restoration of Titian paintings that is described by the 1849 book
"Original Treatises, Dating from the XIIth to the XVIIIth Centuries on the Arts of Painting, Volume II", by Mary Philadelphia Merrifield (available online). The book translates part of the work "On The Restoration Of The Royal Paintings Under The Venetian Government" by Pietro Edwards. On p862-863, Edwards mentions a robbery of part of a Titian painting. He says a square of canvas abut 5 by 5 inches that contained the head in the painting called (by Edwards) "Faith" was cut out and stolen in 1777. There is some unclear language about the painting being restored. I interpret it to mean that someone painted a new head and put it in the picture. It also says that the same restorer( who may have been Edwards himself) "filled up the empty space remaining in the Adoration of Bonifazio, by inserting the head of one of the Magi", which may have been stolen by the same robber.
I can't find any modern information about these events. Does the painting "Faith" still exist? Does it still have the restored head?
Tashiro (talk) 22:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism and Restoration Of Titian Paintings 

message: Can anybody confirm if Titian is the artist responsible for the portrait of Aodh Ó Néill (1550-1616), the man who is arguably the most significant figure in Ireland's history in the past 500 years, which was in the Vatican until a couple of centuries ago when it was brought back to Ireland and is now in a private collection here? This is the portrait in question. 86.40.52.44 (talk) 20:38, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't seem at all likely if you look at their dates - Titian died when O'neill was about 26 & (?) had never left Ireland. Johnbod (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrait of Aodh Ó Néill/Hugh O Neill?

message: Surely Titian was Venetian and not Italian?  
It was the Republic of Venice, and not Italy, until 1796.  And had a different flag, currency, language, government and military until then.
Some consistency would be good -- I note Colombus[] is listed as Genoese and not Italian, though likewise born in what is now part of Italy.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonypercy (talk • contribs) 00:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality, not Italian. 

message: My favourite Titian painting is not here! Where's Bacchus and Ariadne, one of Titian's greatest works?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.211.126.250 (talk) 15:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be restrained, and drop the 2nd bit. The long captions here are pretty good - most of our captions are far too short. Many more people read the captions than the text alongside. The selection here is also pretty good. Johnbod (talk) 22:15, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, leave captions, but about the works - well, a better presentation can be done. Hafspajen (talk) 22:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bacchus and Ariadne 

message: File:Tizian 102.jpg
File:Titian Venus Mirror (furs).jpg 
File:Tizian - Bildnis des Jacopo de Strada.jpg 
File:Tizian 083.jpg
File:Tizian (Schule) 001b.jpg|  
File:Tizian 029.jpg
File:Isabella of Portugal by Titian.jpg
File:Tiziano Vecellio e bottega - Venere e il Suonatore di liuto (MET-Museum).jpg| Venere e il Suonatore di liuto 
File:Venus and Adonis by Titian.jpg
File:Tizian 091.jpg
   
File:Fiesta campestre.jpg
File:Tizian 009.jpg
File:Tiziano - Vanità (Alte Pinakothek München).jpg 
File:Tizian 034.jpg 
  
File:Tizian 112.jpeg 
Not all this needs to be added but indeed many of his great works are not shown, and the gallery is compared to other artists is quite poor. Hafspajen (talk) 22:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: It can be a MUCH better selection

message: Images in the gallery collectively do have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject. 
Galleries are not discuraged. Please see also this discussion here, Talk:Charles Marion Russell. 
::Per WP:IG:
Images are typically interspersed individually throughout an article near the relevant text (see WP:MOSIMAGES). However, the use of a gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. The images in the gallery collectively must have encyclopedic value and add to the reader's understanding of the subject.
 
*Image use policy say: Sometimes a picture may benefit from a size other than the default; see the Manual of Style for guidance. 
*Manual of style: **As a general rule, images should not be set to a larger fixed size than the 220px default (users can adjust this in their preferences). 'If an exception to the general rule is warranted', forcing an image size to be either larger or smaller than the 220px default is done by placing a parameter in the image coding. 
*The exception from  the general rule is most art and art related articles that they do fall into this cathegory, and they are this  exception to the general rule . 
Hafspajen (talk) 06:59, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  About images and galleries 

message: Before making significant changes to referenced sourced historical data; please reference those changes with reliable sources...Modernist (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. We need to see a good deal more in secondary sources before "updating" this. Johnbod (talk) 03:46, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of birth

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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message: In the Early Years section there is mention of a 'broker's patent, termed La Sanseria or Senseria (a privilege much coveted by rising or risen artists)'.
It seems to be important for artists of the time, including Titian, but there doesn't seem any explanation that I can find of what a broker's patent actually is. Does anyone know?
Thankyou. Mov326 (talk) 05:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Explained here. It is usually better to ask Professor Google such things. Johnbod (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: I see it is mentioned in an old section above, #Colors, and now there is a separate article on the topic, but as far as I can see there is no mention of this in this article, and I believe there should be some — both of the term and of the claim that he supposedly liked to paint redheads. It would be nice if one finds a way to squeeze it somewhere in :) --Base (talk) 10:07, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, as I just came here looking for it. Viriditas (talk) 08:38, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
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