Talk:Commonwealth

message: Why is there a dictionary link? I haven never seen any other article with such an external link.  --Menchi 02:13 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:  Nobody commented for months, so I removed the following:
:: LIST OF DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS OF COMMONWEALTH
: --Menchi 01:28, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary external link 

message: "When Britain and France nearly married": BBC. and all after the english treachery against the french during the Suez Canal building... god saves the providence and dieu et mon droit. a section would worth it. Cliché Online 13:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: just amazing!

message: perhaps a disambig page should be created with "commonwealth" so people don't have to trawl through the article to find which Commonwealth they want. Thedreamdied 13:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: disambiguation

message: Elizabeth II became the first monarch to be titled "Queen of Australia" when she ascended to the throne, it was in the 1970s that "Queen of the United Kingdom" and "Defender of the Faith" were removed from her full Australian title.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.28.240.20 (talk • contribs).
:Actually, no, she was not known properly as the "Queen of Australia"  until legislation enacted by the Commenwealth Parliament created the title in 1973.--cj | talk 11:10, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reine de l'Australie 

message: I've removed the example on Chiriquí Province, which appears to just reflect one person's personal dissatisfaction with the Panamanian national government.--Pharos 00:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panama example removed 

message: Is commonwealth a calque on republic?  I don't think so. Calque says "a word or phrase borrowed from another language by literal, word-for-word (Latin: "verbum pro verbo") or root-for-root translation". Commonwealth, or commonweal, is clearly not a literal translation of "public affairs". If anyone says its a calque, can we see a reference, please? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're discourseur. You've been indef blocked for sokpuppetry, and it doesn't look like you've learnt anything William M. Connolley (talk) 23:30, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calque? 

message: I added four references to the US States section and one to the US insular states section making five references and therefore removed the  tag.Etineskid (talk) 20:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Does somebody know the oldest mention of common weal?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.12.30.190 (talk) 00:10, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest Mention 

message: Sometimes historians mention use the term Venetian Commonwealth for the Adriatic lands under the rule of the Republic of Venice.--Deguef (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Venetian Commonweath

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Following on from the discussion above, many of the remaining links to  refer to the Commonwealth of Australia.  A typical phrase is .  Is this page the best destination for that link?  If not, where should it lead, and through what redirect if appropriate?  (I'll inform WikiProject Australia.)  Certes (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Commonwealth" (abbreviated "Cth") is a shorthand reference to the Australian Government (which is officially the "Commonwealth of Australia"), perhaps that is the best place to redirect these links? Deus et lex (talk) 22:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Depends on context, I guess? How many such remaining links are there? Gryllida (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Most but not all of these.  That's about a quarter of the remaining links to Commonwealth.  I may have missed a few phrases like  (fictional example).  Certes (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi . As a "new" Australian (of several decades), I don't think of "the Commonwealth" as the government, and its usage in Australian articles baffled me at first. It is also a tad confusing that "Commonwealth of Australia" links to Australia, but Commonwealth Government links to Australian Government. It's quite possible that I have linked to the wrong one in the past, but think I usually link to Australian Government these days. Hopefully someone with more experience in government or law can provide some guidance here. Or do we need to DAB the Commonwealth article? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you; I hadn't noticed .  That's also , but Australia seems to be its primary topic.  The RM above discusses the case for and against making the Commonwealth article a dab. Certes (talk) 11:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , see also the mention by  above. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "community" is the right sense of meaning for "The Commonwealth" (of Australia). The Commonwealth Government is the government of the Commonwealth, not a synonym for it. The Commonwealth transcends the state (former colony) interests - a member of the Australian Public Service is a Commonwealth public servant rather than in a state's public service nor a servant purely of the government. I suspect the word comes from the time when the new states still thought of themselves as six essentially independent countries, and federation was breaking down the trade barriers. I suspect that most of these uses should go through the Commonwealth of Australia redirect to the Nation, rather than to Commonwealth Government. --Scott Davis Talk 13:17, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  On that basis there may be nothing to do, but I think the question was worth asking.  It becomes less urgent now that "Commonwealth" isn't to be a dab. Certes (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

text: I proposed a dab in the previous section but no consensus was found. Certes (talk) 12:12, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes, sorry  - I came to it too late, was too focussed on other things, and came straight to this section, . I would have supported it, in light of recent discussion and findings... Any chance of reopening the discussion? I'll try to go back and help fix the incorrect links sometime soon. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not normal to reopen such discussions unless new evidence has come to light or the close was improper, neither of which applies here.  I think we now have to live with the burden of checking regularly for new bad links and  them as they arrive.  Certes (talk) 14:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI , I have just worked through the remaining incorrect incoming links - at least 25 to either Australia or Australian Government, and I think 4 or 5 to the Commonwealth of Nations (or British Commonwealth, in the case an historical mention). I also added Australian Government to the Cth disambiguation page. That leaves 17 incoming links - less than half when I started, and presumably a fraction of what it was before (and way fewer than there are links to the Commonwealth Government redirect). I really think this supports the case for having a DAB page, so I'm going to tag a few people from the above discussion. Why leave something here that's going to require continuous cleaning up, unnecessarily? , , , , , ,  - I realise that it's not normal to reopen, but I think this reduced number of pertinent links does suggest new information, and seeing that it's the Australian editors who are most affected, perhaps their opinions should hold a bit more weight? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also have liked to see the dab at the base name.  As well as the links you mention, I fixed about 500 to Commonwealth of Nations, which was the meaning of 75% of Commonwealth's incoming links and has 48% of the pageviews (compared with 5% for the topic currently at the base name).  However, my proposal was out!voted and I'm not optimistic about it being revived.  For the few RMs which continue beyond a close, the next stage is normally a move review to .  However, I don't see any issues with the closing statement.  Although I still find the arguments to move slightly stronger than those against, Oppose won 4:3 numerically, which can fairly be summarised as "no consensus".  Certes (talk) 12:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

text: p.s. What about "Commonwealth (concept)" as the name of this article? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:47, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: (concept) was one of the qualifiers I suggested above, but I agree with others that (community) would be better.  Certes (talk) 12:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Thanks, ,  and . Having discussed on the closer's talk page, I will be coming back to this again in the future. I think the article could do with some improvement first, as the current uses of the term are far removed from its origins and I think an argument could be made for its ambiguity as well as applying wp:commonsense here... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:28, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia