Talk:National Australia Bank

message: I think that this article needs to gradually be worked into continuous prose. - Aaron Hill 04:44, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Prose

message: This article like all the other Au/NZ banking group articles I've seen in wikipedia needs to have clear cut sections and not just list the recent history of events. If its a corporate profile, then it should clearly have at least the products and services section or Core Business Activities, something along those lines.--Takamaxa 5 Jun 2006
: so, do it! what are you waiting for ???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.209.189 (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  formatted sections 

message: I agree with the contention that for the most part, the article currently reads, if not like an advertisement, then for the most part like what I would expect to read on the company's website.  NAB's recent history (say over the last four years) has been plagued with controversy, yet this is played down, particularly given the relative prominence attached to a lot of frankly unremarkable events earlier in the company's history. Murtoa 07:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertisement 

message: The history listings incorrectly refer to "NAB" for all of the entries leading up to the merger with CBC.  Prior to this the entity described was the National Bank of Australia, or just National Bank.  National Australia Bank (NAB) only existed following the merger. Murtoa 12:25, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NBA, CBC, NAB

message: Per the discussion at AFD the UBank article was merged into this article and redirects created. JodyB talk 14:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UBank merger 

message: The image :File:Mlclogo.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
:* That this article is linked to from the image description page.
The following images also have this problem:
*:      File:Clydesdale logo.png
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --10:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:Mlclogo.png

message: there's been various edits and reversals with respect of images in this article. i propose: if images/ logos are not mentioned int he article, then the images have no place. if they are, and if the mentions in the article make all the usual criteria, then the images might add value.
thoughts ?  Romanpolanski (talk) 09:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: These are nice, relevant pictures. Their copyright status is clear. I think they are fine. F (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Taking out the fair-use images there was only three free-use images. These images fit within the article as NAB House, Melbourne was the HQ (Still used by the NAB) and Docklands is now the HQ (Inturn Melbourne is HQ for the NAB) but if we had other images that were free-use then the whole story would be different but you're not the consensus, the images should stay since these images have been in place for sometime with no other editors other then yourself removing them and there is no replacement images for the article (Meaning the article only has one free use image). Bidgee (talk) 11:51, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm ambivalent about whether the image in question remains (and I'm not the one who has been deleting it!) - it may be somewhat significant in NAB's history, but I don't believe it remains definitively NAB's "HQ". ASIC records show the Docklands building is now the registered office for NAB.  Certainly the overwhelming majority of what would be considered "head office" staff reside at Docklands these days.  I don't believe NAB has occupied all of 500 Bourke St for many years.  Its designation as "NAB House" isn't significant - the Sydney office at 255 George St has the same name.  NAB also retains substantial Melbourne CBD offices in King St and Victoria St.  The status of 500 Bourke as head office for 25 years is significant, but the former head office at 271 Collins St may be more notable in NAB's history. Murtoa (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 271 Collins St would is more notable for National Bank of Australasia Limited (as the merger of the other banks didn't happen until 1981) but I can't see why both can't be added into its history. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Since Cameron Clyne merged the Australian and global leadership, this building is no longer NAB's headquarters, it is the building at Docklands. The building is now only a common building. If it's relevant to Melbourne, it should be in that article. NAB has long term leases in many dozen's of buildings around Australia and the article would not benefit from those pictures either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.182.129 (talk) 07:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It whether it is just an office building is it is notable in it history of the NAB as is its new HQ. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Bidgee, do you want to keep this picture on wikipedia because you took it yourself?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.182.129 (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggest you assume some good faith as even if it wasn't I would still support it being added. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: In the context of this article I would consider the photo of low relevance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.53.218.31 (talk) 08:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well thats your opinion but why would it be? Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of images 

message: It is quite clear one anon editor (who tried to use another IP and ISP but failed) for some odd reason is against this photograph, this building is significant not just to Melbourne's history but also NAB's history. Why? Well NAB House (500 Bourke St) is still the HQ for NAB, even though the Docklands building was built to be the HQ, and has  been since 1978. The NAB also owned the building after purchasing it from Abbey Capital in 1977 but sold it to ISPT in 1998. In 2008 the NAB signed a 12 year lease on NAB House (500 Bourke St) [Source: Nab Stays Put At No. 500 Chris Vedelago and Marc Pallisco (2 July 2008) The Age]. Not significant? Well the photograph and the building are. Bidgee (talk) 15:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm ambivalent about whether the image in question remains (and I'm not the one who has been deleting it!) - it may be somewhat significant in NAB's history, but I don't believe it remains definitively NAB's "HQ". ASIC records show the Docklands building is now the registered office for NAB.  Certainly the overwhelming majority of what would be considered "head office" staff reside at Docklands these days.  I don't believe NAB has occupied all of 500 Bourke St for many years.  Its designation as "NAB House" isn't significant - the Sydney office at 255 George St has the same name.  NAB also retains substantial Melbourne CBD offices in King St and Victoria St.  The status of 500 Bourke as head office for 25 years is significant, but the former head office at 271 Collins St may be more notable in NAB's history. Murtoa (talk) 01:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 271 Collins St would is more notable for National Bank of Australasia Limited (as the merger of the other banks didn't happen until 1981) but I can't see why both can't be added into its history. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Since Cameron Clyne merged the Australian and global leadership, this building is no longer NAB's headquarters, it is the building at Docklands. The building is now only a common building. If it's relevant to Melbourne, it should be in that article. NAB has long term leases in many dozen's of buildings around Australia and the article would not benefit from those pictures either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.182.129 (talk) 07:31, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It whether it is just an office building is it is notable in it history of the NAB as is its new HQ. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Bidgee, do you want to keep this picture on wikipedia because you took it yourself?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.182.129 (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggest you assume some good faith as even if it wasn't I would still support it being added. Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

text: In the context of this article I would consider the photo of low relevance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.53.218.31 (talk) 08:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well thats your opinion but why would it be? Bidgee (talk) 08:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  continued removal against the consensus 

message: People, there's an inconsistency: this article is about the NAB group. There are other, linked articles for MLC, Clydesdale Yorkshire Banks. N attempt to provide some consistency by splittin out "ubank" was reverted. I suggest we either merge all NAB group companies into this or split all of them out. But the current situation makes no sense. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.140.91 (talk) 09:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article structure 

message: I've consolidated the history section - which was previously about 5 secitons into one. All i've done is increased each header by one lever (eg.e, all level 3 to level 4). I've also changed some of them I thought were a bit weasely, such as "Challenges" and "Turnaround". Cheers, --Amaher (talk) 05:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Is the following worth mentioning?
(under Corporate responsibility initiatives)
In May 2008 NAB launched a pilot with alternate credit provider, Mobile Finance Pty Ltd (trading as Money Fast), who offer small personal loans of between AU$1,000 and AU$5,000 on a break even basis. NAB claims that the NAB Small Loans Pilot is not a commercial venture for NAB, but an extension of their microfinance programs and NAB's commitment to helping Australians access fair and affordable banking services. The Pilot aims to explore viability of a low rate lending model operating within the fringe credit market, better understand the industry and expose predatory practices.
:I don't think this is particularly unique or notable among financial service providers in Australia, rather a variation on a theme, so would be leaning against inclusion. Murtoa (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small Loans Pilot 

message: The last edit has introduced some errors to infobox. Eg, NAB doesn't serve "worldwide", it doesn't have "investment banking" or "private equity".
As soon as the protect phase is over, someone should correct these.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerdschenkel (talk • contribs) 21:31, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: While NAB is not present in every country, the number of countries it does business in and has offices is enough to make the info box too cluttered, therefore the best solution is to put worldwide. It is true that NAB doesn't have a private equity business, however it does engage in 'investment banking' activities, through its Wholesale Division. Mitsuhirato (talk) 12:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a different opinion. NAB operates in abt. 10 countries, so "worldwide" is simply incorrect. Simplicity is good, but accuracy is more important. 124.168.130.169 (talk) 21:02, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: In my mind, area served is where the clients/deals are, not where the NAB offices are located. Thus to say that the 'area served' in Asia (for example) is only Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo and Osaka is actually incorrect. Nab has done deals in various asian countries including Vietnam, Indonesia etc. Just because these deals may be run out of the Hong Kong or Singapore offices, doesn't mean that those areas aren't 'served'. Same with the US: NAB has a subsidiary bank (great western) who service the midwest region, however NAB's NY office does not just service NY clients, that is simply the base where any US client activity, or other client who wants to undertake business in the US is taken care of.
If there is another category called 'offices', I would agree that this is a better place to actually list the offices. Cheer Mitsuhirato (talk) 01:14, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the rationale provided by Mitsuhirato.  I'm not sure the actual location of the offices is particularly notable but should be referred to as such, not trading areas. Murtoa (talk) 02:06, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

text: This rationale makes that category worthless as any bank that does corporate deals of any kind in theory serves "the world". NAB has licenses in Singapore, Hong Kong, Japan in Asia, so these are the countries served. The current entry is misleading as NAB simply doesnt operate worldwide across the majority of its businesses. Rmarsden (talk) 11:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

text: NAB is not licensed to operate in most of "Asia", so the "areas served" entry in the infobox should not say so. It's simply incorrect. Rmarsden (talk) 23:45, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

text: If a bank doesn't have a license, no office and no staff in a particular country, then it doesn't "serve" it by any reasonable stretch of the imagination! And "no", NAB hasn't done "heaps of business" in those other countries ... if it has, please provide a verifiable reference as per wikipedia rules.  Rmarsden (talk) 11:25, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  area served vs office location in infobox 

message: Recently someone removed a number of properly cited and relevant items seemingly with a bias towards removing negative statements. Please dont. --124.171.43.176 (talk) 09:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: POV edits

message: The section Key People appears to need updating.  Certainly Lynne Peacock of the Executive Committee left in 2011 (see http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-12747451 , http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/About_Us/8/5/11/15/ , http://www.dowjones.de/site/2011/03/nab-outgoing-uk-ceo-peacock-says-focus-on-organic-growth.html as examples of evidence).  There may well be other changes and I think other editors may be better placed to make them (failing which I will use http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/About_Us/6/1/ and http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/about_us/6/2 as source material).  Many thanks. ¬¬¬¬
: Done Used details from NAB's own website.  Changed or removed some links as well.LenF54 (talk) 17:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 22 Aug 2012 

message: Not for the first time it appears that NAB employees are using this page to launch new product announcements.  They should be made aware of the neutral POV requirements.  Please use this talk page to request changes and let the community do their part.
122.248.156.9 (talk) 01:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: What are examples of content that leads you to this conclusion? without some facts, your statement remains just your opinion and whoever posts this stuff won't be able to learn. thanks. New but motivated (talk) 04:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement (Revisited)

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on National Australia Bank. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070618190404/http://www.bankcheck.net.au:80/nab_bank.html to http://www.bankcheck.net.au/nab_bank.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070208233033/http://www.ifslearning.com:80/events/financial_innovation_awards/fia_winners_2006.cfm to http://www.ifslearning.com/events/financial_innovation_awards/fia_winners_2006.cfm
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20090215113927/http://nab2008annualreports.textpacific.com.au:80/shareholder_review/corporate_responsibility_highlights.asp to http://nab2008annualreports.textpacific.com.au/shareholder_review/corporate_responsibility_highlights.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20091024134248/http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/about_us/4/1/1/7/6 to http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/About_Us/4/1/1/7/6
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060112235037/http://home.eircom.net:80/content/irelandcom/topstories/6599623?view=Eircomnet to http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/topstories/6599623?view=Eircomnet
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
Cheers. —cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 02:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on National Australia Bank. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20071006215134/http://www.national.com.au/About_Us/0,,39413,00.htm to http://www.national.com.au/About_Us/0,,39413,00.htm
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110613114145/http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:TDC&feed=BW&date=20081217&id=9458691 to http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.aspx?symbol=US:TDC&feed=BW&date=20081217&id=9458691
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110706110814/http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/about_us/7/4/1/3/10/1 to http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/about_us/7/4/1/3/10/1#11E5799154CCB4C9
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20070703164140/http://www.odce.ie/_fileupload/new/NIB_Disqualification_Applications_Hearing50728.doc to http://www.odce.ie/_fileupload/new/NIB_Disqualification_Applications_Hearing50728.doc
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 12:31, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on National Australia Bank. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100502012621/http://www.nabgroup.com/0%2C%2C41693%2C00.html to http://www.nabgroup.com/0%2C%2C41693%2C00.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100127105958/http://www.nabgroup.com/0%2C%2C34695%2C00.html to http://www.nabgroup.com/0%2C%2C34695%2C00.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20091009074526/https://nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/About_Us/8/5/29/23/ to http://www.nab.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/nab/nab/home/about_us/8/5/29/23
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 05:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have just modified one external link on National Australia Bank. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070928000543/http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/06-221+Former+NAB+foreign+currency+options+traders+sentenced?openDocument to http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/asic.nsf/byheadline/06-221+Former+NAB+foreign+currency+options+traders+sentenced?openDocument
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 10:30, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018)