Talk:Sirindhorn

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Arrigo please do not remove renaming tags if the voting has not been over. Also please stop moving pages unilaterally if the naming is controversial and wait for the end of the discussion. What you are doing is in clear violation of Wikipedia rules and Wikiquette, please abide and participate in discussion properly. Gryffindor 14:35, August 26, 2005 (UTC)
*per Wikipedia´s rules of naming royalty , this article needs to be renamed. no mention of her royal title is disrespectful. Antares911 12:05, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  moves 

message: Some recent debate in the King Bhumibol article showed that there is quite a bit of confusion about the rules behind the royal succession.  It is thus suggested that the following note be added to this article: "Princess Sirindhorn's only brother, Prince Vajiralongkorn, was given the title "Somdej Phra Boroma Orasadhiraj Chao Fah Maha Vajiralongkorn Sayam Makutrajakuman" on 28th December 1972, making him the Crown Prince and Heir Apparent to the throne.  In 1977, Princess Sirindhorn was given an equivalent title, "Sayam Makutrajakumari".  The constitution was later ammended to allow for a "daughter of the king" to succeed to the throne, but only in the absence of a male heir apparent.  Although this effectively signalled Princess Sirindhorn as unofficially second in line to the throne., it did not give her equal status in terms of royal succession to the Prince." Patiwat 10:13, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Giving the titles only creates confusion, since they have nothing to do with succession. The 1974 to 1997 constitutions allowed for female succession, which suggests that Sirindhorn was second in line to the throne at that time. The Interim (2006) constitution doesn't say anything about succession, so legally the issue is up in air until a permanent constitution is drafted. As a practical matter, the Privy Council will come up with a name when a vacancy arises. Sometimes you read about rivalry between crown prince and Sirindhorn, but I think the order of succession is settled at this point: Vajiralongkorn is heir apparent, his son Dipangkorn is second in line, and Sirindhorn is third. Kauffner 14:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The princesses are not ordered officially, so perhaps it is more accurate to speak of them as "eligible for succession." Under primogeniture, she is fifth in line for the throne. If Bhumipol dies and Vajiralongkorn refuses the throne, you think the Privy Council will make Dipangkorn king? He is 6 years old now. As a practical matter, the Council can name whoever they like. It is informally understood that Sirindhorn is next in line after her brother. I added a Wikileaks comment by a Privy Council member to this effect. The king clearly intends for the crown prince to succeed. But there is a possibility that Parliament or the Thai people may reject him. Kauffner (talk) 06:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In cases Vajiralongkorn refuses the throne, I think it is possible that Dipangkorn will be named king, but a regent will be appointed (maybe Queen Sirikit would assume regency once again for she will be the most senior and experienced member of the royal household after the king dies, unless she denies the post or dies together with the king). I know that the Privy Council (and many Thais) like Sirindhorn and would like to see her on the throne, but that will be possible only when Vajiralongkorn and all his descendants are not alive any more or all of them refuse the throne. Moreover, in the case the heir to the throne is already appointed, the National Assembly can only 'acknowledge' his status according to the current constitution (but the previous constitutions, such as 1932, 1946, 1949 etc, empowered the Assembly to approve or disapprove with the heir to the throne), unless the Assembly has any grounds for withholding its 'acknowledgement'. --Aristitleism (talk) 08:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal succession 

message: According to the Constitution, when the Throne is vacant and there is a crown prince, the Council of Ministers will inform the National Assembly of the matter and the Assembly's President will then put the crown prince on the Throne, pursuant to the Constitution, section 23, paragraph 1, which provides:
"ในกรณีที่ราชบัลลังก์หากว่างลง และเป็นกรณีที่พระมหากษัตริย์ได้ทรงแต่งตั้งพระรัชทายาทไว้ตามกฎมณเฑียรบาลว่าด้วยการสืบราชสันตติวงศ์ พระพุทธศักราช ๒๔๖๗ แล้ว ให้คณะรัฐมนตรีแจ้งให้ประธานรัฐสภาทราบ และให้ประธานรัฐสภาเรียกประชุมรัฐสภาเพื่อรับทราบ และให้ประธานรัฐสภาอัญเชิญองค์พระรัชทายาทขึ้นทรงราชย์เป็นพระมหากษัตริย์สืบไป แล้วให้ประธานรัฐสภาประกาศให้ประชาชนทราบ"
"In the event that the Throne becomes vacant and the King has appointed the Heir to the Throne in pursuance of the Palace Law on Succession, Buddhist Era 2467 (1924), the Council of Ministers shall refer the matter to the President of the National Assembly. The President of the National Assembly shall convoke the National Assembly for the purpose of acknowledging the matter. He shall then invite the Heir  to the Throne to ascend to the Throne as a new King, and inform the public of the enthronement."
Only when the Throne is vacant without any crown prince, the Privy Council will name as an heir to the throne any member of the royal household under the Palace Law on Succession, Buddhist Era 2467 (1924) and submit the name of the heir to the Council of Ministers who will forward it to the National Assembly. In this case, the Privy Council may name one of the King's daughters as an heir to the throne. As the Constitution, section 23, paragraph 2, prescribes:
"ในกรณีที่ราชบัลลังก์หากว่างลง และเป็นกรณีที่พระมหากษัตริย์มิได้ทรงแต่งตั้งพระรัชทายาทไว้ตามวรรคหนึ่ง ให้คณะองคมนตรีเสนอพระนามผู้สืบราชสันตติวงศ์ตามมาตรา ๒๒ ต่อคณะรัฐมนตรีเพื่อเสนอต่อรัฐสภาเพื่อรัฐสภาให้ความเห็นชอบ ในการนี้ จะเสนอพระนามพระราชธิดาก็ได้ เมื่อรัฐสภาให้ความเห็นชอบแล้ว ให้ประธานรัฐสภาอัญเชิญองค์ผู้สืบราชสันตติวงศ์ขึ้นทรงราชย์เป็นพระมหากษัตริย์สืบไป แล้วให้ประธานรัฐสภาประกาศให้ประชาชนทราบ"
"In the case that the Throne becomes vacant and the King has not appointed any Heir to the Throne according to paragraph 1, the Privy Council shall nominate an Heir to the Throne pursuant to section 22 to the Council of Ministers who shall forward the nomination to the National Assembly for further approval. In this respect, a King's daughter may be nominated for the Throne. Once the National Assembly approves the nomination, the President of the National Assembly shall invite the Heir to the Throne to ascend to the Throne as a new King and inform the public of the enthronement."
The Constitution, section 22, paragraph 1, reads:
"ภายใต้บังคับมาตรา ๒๓ การสืบราชสมบัติให้เป็นไปโดยนัยแห่งกฎมณเฑียรบาลว่าด้วยการสืบราชสันตติวงศ์ พระพุทธศักราช ๒๔๖๗"
"Subject to section 23, the succession to the Throne shall be governed by the Palace Law on Succession, Buddhist Era 2467 (1924)."
Section 9 of the Palace Law on Succession, Buddhist Era 2467 (1924)', incorporating section 23, paragraph 2, of the Constitution, lay down the line of succession in cases the Throne is vacant and the King does not name any heir to the throne as follows:
# First line: The firstborn child of the King and his principal wife → The firstborn child of the firstborn child of the King and his principal wife → Any of the children of the firstborn child of the King and his principal wife according to the rank of age.
# Second line: The second child of the King and his principal wife → The firstborn child of the second child of the King and his principal wife → Any of the children of the second child of the King and his principal wife according to the rank of age.
# Third line: blah, blah, blah....
So, I would like to say that, in any case, Sirindhorn is actually far from the Throne. Especially in the case the throne is vacant without any heir to the throne previously named, if her elder brother and his descendants are still alive, Sirindhorn would never be enthroned.
--Aristitleism (talk) 06:06, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The princesses are not ordered officially, so perhaps it is more accurate to speak of them as "eligible for succession." Under primogeniture, she is fifth in line for the throne. If Bhumipol dies and Vajiralongkorn refuses the throne, you think the Privy Council will make Dipangkorn king? He is 6 years old now. As a practical matter, the Council can name whoever they like. It is informally understood that Sirindhorn is next in line after her brother. I added a Wikileaks comment by a Privy Council member to this effect. The king clearly intends for the crown prince to succeed. But there is a possibility that Parliament or the Thai people may reject him. Kauffner (talk) 06:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  In cases Vajiralongkorn refuses the throne, I think it is possible that Dipangkorn will be named king, but a regent will be appointed (maybe Queen Sirikit would assume regency once again for she will be the most senior and experienced member of the royal household after the king dies, unless she denies the post or dies together with the king). I know that the Privy Council (and many Thais) like Sirindhorn and would like to see her on the throne, but that will be possible only when Vajiralongkorn and all his descendants are not alive any more or all of them refuse the throne. Moreover, in the case the heir to the throne is already appointed, the National Assembly can only 'acknowledge' his status according to the current constitution (but the previous constitutions, such as 1932, 1946, 1949 etc, empowered the Assembly to approve or disapprove with the heir to the throne), unless the Assembly has any grounds for withholding its 'acknowledgement'. --Aristitleism (talk) 08:03, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession line 

message: "Princess Sayam Borommaratchakumari" is apparently someone's do-it-yourself transliteration of Sirindhorn's Thai title. No other English language source uses it; Zero results in the Google News Archive. Take a look at the Bangkok Post. Their policy is "Her Royal Highness Princess Maha Chakri Sirindhorn" for first reference and "Princess Sirindhorn" for the short form. The editors there can be prosecuted if they get it wrong, so there is no question that this is official. Kauffner (talk) 09:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: It seems unlikely that she would have received the Order of the Seraphim. The only foreigners that have been awarded that order since 1975 are heads of state and their equals (i.e. heirs apparent and consorts of monarchs). Other princely personages are awarded the Order of the Polar Star instead. It is more likely that she is a Commander Grand Cross of the latter order. Björn Knutson (talk) 20:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a source for the appointment in the Swedish Wikipedia article about recipients of the Order of the Seraphim. Björn Knutson (talk) 11:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of the Seraphim

message: Can someone please add a bibliography section on all her writings and translations?
These are some of the books she translated from Chinese, if anyone wants to use the info please do:
Author   	Work                	Thai title
Wang Meng	Butterfly (蝴蝶)      	ผีเสื้อ
Wang Anyi	Baotown (小鲍庄)       	หมู่บ้านเล็กตระกูลเป้า
Chi Li   	Her City (她的城)      	นารีนครา
Tie Ning 	How Long Is Forever?	ตลอดกาลน่ะนานแค่ไหน
Unfortunately I'm not nearly a polyglot as her, so the other languages are beyond my linguistic abilities. :( Timmyshin (talk) 09:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need a bibliography section  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: According to this article, Princess Sirindhorn has more species of living things named for her than any other person, even David Attenborough. Not sure how to insert this fact into this article but it's worth adding to this & the related articles, only 2 of which I've found mention her. -- llywrch (talk) 15:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A unique honor 

message: Apparently Sirindhorn has written a children's book,  = Kaew the Playful under the pseudonym  = Waen Kaew. I'm not sure to what extent there are independent reliable sources about the book (I haven't searched, not being able to read Thai), but information about it can be found on the publisher's (?) site. Google Books also has the English translation available in preview mode. Not sure where this would best go, but I would expect it to be discussed somewhere in the article.  Umimmak (talk) 22:58, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like she's used other pseudonyms and written lots of books. More info on Thai Wikipedia: :th:สมเด็จพระเทพรัตนราชสุดาฯ สยามบรมราชกุมารี#ด้านพระราชนิพนธ์ and :th:รายชื่อพระราชนิพนธ์ในสมเด็จพระเทพรัตนราชสุดาฯ สยามบรมราชกุมารี. Umimmak (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

text: This book already has an article in Chinese Wikipedia (:zh:顽皮透顶的盖珥) --Thyj (talk) 04:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authorship of children's book