Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organized Labour/Summaries

message: This is an idea that started from the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Organized Labour#Internationalisation. Currently it is in the development stage, and any input and opinions would be appreciated.--Bookandcoffee 20:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

message: What about this is specific to organized labour articles? - Jmabel | Talk 22:23, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is part of a couple of efforts that we are making to improve coverage of trade union topics in other languages. We would like to produce some stub articles automatically from the information we have in the templates, and we would like to produce some easy to translate summaries of high importance articles that can provide a good base for expansion. - FrancisTyers · 23:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is not specific to the WikiProject. The practical fact is that we are searching for ways to improve labour articles, and to expand labour coverage into the sister wiki projects. But the concept itself could be implemented just as well on any project, or any page on the site. I see this as a two pronged effort of setting up usable summary texts so that we can actually create new non-English articles, but also as a test bed to see if the concept improves articles. Do editors like the idea? Do the In Brief texts evolve into stable useful summaries? Does this improve the reader’s experience? If we can develop some answers to those questions then we may have a process/idea that is worth bringing to the attention of the larger community.--Bookandcoffee 00:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why part of this WikiProject?

message: Perhaps it would make more sense (for now at least) to move the summary box down to the bottom of the article, collapse it into one of those show / hide boxes and simply call it Translation summary.
I’m worried that my enthusiasm for the In Brief idea may impede implementation of the more direct goal of an internationalization effort by forcing editors to consider accepting two ideas at once. With the summary as a simple tag in with the  tag and such it should be less intrusive. The text would still be available for editors to work on, but there would be time later to re-introduce the idea of using the summary for the article itself.--Bookandcoffee 15:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would be a better approach. - Jmabel | Talk 22:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I went ahead and made this change. Currently it's in the ==See also== section. There is a small wrinkle with producing a couple lines of white space, but other than that I think it looks ok. --Bookandcoffee 18:30, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem solved. Now if we just had a cool little "Translation" graphic for the box...--Bookandcoffee 21:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: reduce to Translation summary

message: Erechtheus brought up a good question about forking. There is some danger of the summary and the main article diverging. I think there are a couple solutions to this:
#The first is to not use the summary format, and instead write the summaries directly to the project page. I'm not in favour of this because it creates a static summary which is not easily available to other editors of that page - presumably the very people who would be capable of generating a valid summary. And in the end this doesn't really solve the problem, as the two will diverge as the main article evolves.
#The second solution is to find an effective way to communicate the notion of "Summary". The page already outlines the instruction that the summary is to reflect the text, and that changes are to be made to the main article before the summary. Is there a better/clearer way to communicate this? Is there a need for some sort of notice to be crafted on the summary page itself? Is there a need for guidelines for questioning/disputing the summary content?--Bookandcoffee 18:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Forking

message: Well, there is a summary going through the AfD process (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Confederation of Free Trade Unions/Summary). The notion of summaries seems to have lost steam, and the AfD notes that the ICFTU summary is already out of date, a problem which will be an ongoing issue. Perhaps it is still a useful idea, but I'm not sure.--Bookandcoffee 18:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have today removed the remaining links to article summaries.  I think this is a dead letter. Rich Farmbrough, 13:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: Please re-word This template () is deprecated and unused. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article summary template