Talk:Hans Van Themsche

message: The tone of the article seems to be biased towards protecting the Vlaams Belang party view. --Edcolins 15:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew you'd find it ;) No offense, I know that you (in contrast to some others) are really only trying to NPOV. I did my best, but I'm afraid it's quite impossible to write a completely neutral article about a subject on which you've got an opinion. I'm sure things'll get better (or at least agitated) when the cavalery arrives.1652186 15:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Both are considered senseless murders, in same period, both created public outcry, media attention and public discussion about "society", "violence" and "racism". Sijo Ripa 17:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: Diderot, why did you delete the poll results because Either this article talks about the VB in terms of political consequences, or it doesn't? Isn't that a bit contradictory? The poll does talk about the VB in terms of political consequences.1652186 07:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is an encyclopedia and not a newspaper.  If there's to be a discussion of the VB in relation to this article then either we do this the stupid way, like most Wikipedia articles on political subjects, and turn it into a he said/she said that ultimately informs no one; or we leave it at noting that press and public figures have been discussing the VB in this context.  A poll is something from which it is difficult to extract conclusions without a lot more context, and it will be irrelevant and outdated by next week.  It will either serve as a defense or a condemnation of the VB, or of the political fallout of this killing.  If this article is going to defend or condemn the VB, then the Paul Belien quote goes back in, since he is funded in part by the VB and certainly acts as one of its ideologues, and it provides a real context for why so many people want to pin this on the Vlaams Belang; or we act like an encyclopedia and actually talk about the murder and let the political consequences establish themselves before trying to make arguments about them. --Diderot 10:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see, it's the Beliën quote. Well, I have no problem with it being there, the reason I removed it was that it didn't fit in nicely anymore after Intangible's additions. 1652186 12:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well i have stated before that I dont want to talk about politics in this article. I only tried to include the rebuttal of the justice department that Hans was not brought up in a racialist or violent environment, after it became known that Friede van Themsche was his aunt. Intangible 14:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of poll 

message: the reactions and aftermath dont concern the article subject, which is Hans Van Themsche. Intangible 20:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hans Van Themsche himself isn't notable enough to have his own article on Wikipedia. The only reason why this article exists, is because of the racist shooting. The right thing to do would be to move the article. --LucVerhelst 08:57, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rename article to an article about the whole event? Sijo Ripa 09:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should think so. What are the Wikipedia standards for these kind of article names ? "Hans Van Themsche murders" ? --LucVerhelst 09:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose splitting up the article. I could probably live with a move though, if the new name can be agreed upon. 1652186 10:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Since there is no more discussion on this part, I'm removing the tags. 1652186 18:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I question the correctness of the allegation that Karel Van Themsche was a member of the Nazi SS, as well as the wording of this. For more details, see the talk page of Frieda Van Themsche. 1652186 17:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: The word "Zinloos geweld" (Meaningsless Violence) is lately often used in Belgium. Media sources even frequently speak about "een golf van zinloos geweld" (a wave of meaningless violence). I think the sentence is becoming a term which defines all the latest happenings in Belgium (the murder on the 16 year old Nigerian kid, the murder of Joe, Hans' murders, the skinhead assault which put one person into a coma, the chased Morrocan who drowned, the deadly beating of Guido on the bus, etc.). Therefore I think it's appropriate to make a page about it, which could summarize these latest happenings and the combined consequences on politics, public opinion, etc. Also, it would put the separate cases into a context. I suggest: Meaningless Violence (Belgium). Sijo Ripa 01:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The term was also heavily used in the Netherlands a couple of years ago. Maybe make a page similar to the NL Wikipedia site nl:Zinloos geweld, and link from there to individual cases? Intangible 20:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Make a page about "Zinloos geweld"?

message: I would like to change the sentence "Fortunately a Turkish courier could quickly extinguish the fire, as the apartment above the office was inhabited" to "A Turkish courier could quickly extinguish the fire". I feel that the way it is now, the message conveyed in the sentence is that the fire bombing wouldn't have mattered if the building wouldn't have been inhabited. Like it is now, I feel it's POV against the far right youth organisation involved. --LucVerhelst 19:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good thinking ! --LucVerhelst 07:50, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fortunately ... inhabited" 

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