Talk:Werner Gitt

message: ===Reversions===
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* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Werner_Gitt&diff=72822133&oldid=72821827 DLH Edits - were again deleted]DLH 23:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, how many times do we need to go over this "information technology" is not at all the same as "information theory"? Second, most of the honors you mentioned aren't necessarily notable enough. For example, graduating summa cum laude simply isn't that important. The only reason degrees should be mentioned in an abbreviated form is if their are many highly notable degrees so giving details on each isn't doable. That isn't the case here, and not listing minor degrees is not belittling. The only criticism with any validity as far as I can see is 9. Which categories precisely do you want to add? JoshuaZ 03:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Duncharis again wholesale deleted summary referenced summary of Gitt's professional career. He denegrates Gitt's professional career and emphasises his apologetics work as "Creationist". That seems to be strongly POV by an anti-creationist.DLH 23:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Summa cum laude isn't notable enough to be mentioned on the bio. More info is needed about the Borchers medal to determine whether it matters. JoshuaZ 04:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Summa cum lauda is typically in the top 5% of the class. Saying that is not notable is sour grapes.DLH 03:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er no. Search through other articles about academics. You will note that graduating summa is not mentioned (and note also that it isn't always "top 5%" it varies based on school). I'm not asserting that it isn't worthy of praise and possibly impressive. It is not however notable enough to be included on an article on him. JoshuaZ 21:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

text: So what is your intended phrasing in the article? JoshuaZ 04:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: PS if someone could help with references to give multiple citationsn to the reference, it would compact the reference list. Still learning my way around.DLH 01:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well go on then, you have to add the <ref> tags aswell.  I don't know why they are not working properly though. — Dunc|☺ 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See references detailing the facts in the three sentances under Professional Career. The Reference section appears to be working now.DLH 01:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't be so silly.  Where in policy does it say that birthdates of living should not be stated?  Especially when I got his birthdate from his own website! — Dunc|☺ 14:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after you!  lol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.69.160.1 (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

text: We don't title people as "Prof. and Dr." compare other articles. For example Einstein is not "Herr Prof. and Dr. Einstein." This overemphasis on titles seems to be bordering on POV pushing. JoshuaZ 04:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In English suffix PhD is given for prefix Dr. The German title Doctor Ingineur is summarily prefixed Dr.-Ing.
Can anyone provide the formal suffix for "Professor and Doctor-Ingenieur"? e.g. see Google Search Doctor IngenieurDLH 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: See Pre-nominal letters In some Continental European countries all academic degrees were traditionally pre-nominal. Examples of pre-nominal academic degrees, for instance in the German speaking countries include: Dipl.-Ing. (Engineer's Degree), Dipl.-Kfm. (Master's degree in management), Dipl.-Phys. (Master's degree in physics), Dr.-Ing. (German doctorate in engineering)
If that is the formal Continental practice, why do we need to change from Prof. & Dr.-Ing. DLH 14:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DLH's edits

message: See 
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Werner_Gitt&diff=72822133&oldid=72821827 DLH Edits - were again deleted]DLH 23:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, how many times do we need to go over this "information technology" is not at all the same as "information theory"? Second, most of the honors you mentioned aren't necessarily notable enough. For example, graduating summa cum laude simply isn't that important. The only reason degrees should be mentioned in an abbreviated form is if their are many highly notable degrees so giving details on each isn't doable. That isn't the case here, and not listing minor degrees is not belittling. The only criticism with any validity as far as I can see is 9. Which categories precisely do you want to add? JoshuaZ 03:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Duncharis again wholesale deleted summary referenced summary of Gitt's professional career. He denegrates Gitt's professional career and emphasises his apologetics work as "Creationist". That seems to be strongly POV by an anti-creationist.DLH 23:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reversions

message: Proposed: Dr. Gitt received his doctorate Summa Cum Laude, and was awarded the Borchers Medal, Technical University Aachen.
These are objective facts from the cited links. I can add references from below for each.DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Summa cum laude isn't notable enough to be mentioned on the bio. More info is needed about the Borchers medal to determine whether it matters. JoshuaZ 04:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Summa cum lauda is typically in the top 5% of the class. Saying that is not notable is sour grapes.DLH 03:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Er no. Search through other articles about academics. You will note that graduating summa is not mentioned (and note also that it isn't always "top 5%" it varies based on school). I'm not asserting that it isn't worthy of praise and possibly impressive. It is not however notable enough to be included on an article on him. JoshuaZ 21:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

text: So what is your intended phrasing in the article? JoshuaZ 04:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Honors

message: Posted the following with detailed references supporting each statement:
In 1971 Werner Gitt started his career as Head of Department Q4 InformationsTechnologiehttp://www.werner-gitt.de/down_eng/ENG_CV4.pdf Who is Werner Gitt at the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt "PTB" http://www.ptb.de/index_en.html (the Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, Germany's national metrology institute)http://www.ptb.de/en/zieleaufgaben/dieptb.html About PTB, in Brunswick. Gitt stated he had: written numerous scientific papers in the field of information science, numerical mathematics, and control engineering. . .In the Beginning was Information, 2000, Preface, http://www.werner-gitt.de/down_eng/ENG_CV4.pdf Who is Werner Gitt In 1978 he was promoted to the academic positionBiography of Professor and Director, honoring his scientific publications and achievements as Head of the PTB Q4 Division. http://www.ptb.de/en/publikationen/jahresberichte/jb2001/oeq/taetigkeitsbereiche_q.htm#fbq4 PTB Deptartment Q4 InformationsTechnologie Prof. u. Dir. Dr. Gitt managed PTB Dept. Q4 until 2002http://www.ptb.de/en/publikationen/jahresberichte/jb2001/oeq/taetigkeitsbereiche_q.htm#fbq4, http://www.werner-gitt.de/down_eng/ENG_CV4.pdf.DLH 01:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: PS if someone could help with references to give multiple citationsn to the reference, it would compact the reference list. Still learning my way around.DLH 01:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Professional Career

message: Dr. Gitt is best known for his writings as a Creation Scientist and his opposition to evolution. In his book In the Beginning was Information, he argues that information theory refutes evolution. Critics claim this has been rejected by the scientific community as pseudoscience, specifically pseudomathematics.
This uses Dr. Gitt instead of He, and breaks the long sentence into two. DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Publications

message: This references section is needed to list references. Why vandalise this? DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well go on then, you have to add the <ref> tags aswell.  I don't know why they are not working properly though. — Dunc|☺ 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See references detailing the facts in the three sentances under Professional Career. The Reference section appears to be working now.DLH 01:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Selected Information technical publications "In the Beginning was Information" (2000) pp 249-250 References): 	 
* G4 Gitt, W.; Information und Entropie als Bindeglieder diverser Wissenschaftszweige. PTB-Mitt. 91 (1981), pp 1-17 	 
* G8 Gitt, W.; "Kunstliche Intelligenz" - Moglichkeiten undGrenzen - PTB-Bericht TWD-34, 1989, 43 p. 	 
* G9 Gitt, W.; Information: The Third Fundamental Quantity, Siemens Review, Vol. 56, No. 6 Nov./Dec. 1989, pp. 2-7 	 
* G18 Gitt, W.; Information-A Fundamental Quantity in Natural and Technological Systems Second Conference on the Foundations of Information - The Quest for a Unified Theory of Information. Vienna University of Technology, 11-15 June 1996. 	 
* Gitt, W.; Information, science and biology Technical Journal 10(2):181-187, 1996 	 
	 
Popular publications:
These publications give a sampling of Gitt's professional work to complement his popular publications listed.DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliography

message: Propose deleting day and month of birthdate to reduce risk to Gitt of identify theft. DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be so silly.  Where in policy does it say that birthdates of living should not be stated?  Especially when I got his birthdate from his own website! — Dunc|☺ 14:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not after you!  lol  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.69.160.1 (talk) 08:16, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Date

message: Introductory summary title ‘’‘Prof. & Dr. Werner Gitt’‘’ provided in the introduction as his professional credentials, since it is difficult to reference “Prof” after the name. 
Gitt’s professional title was ‘’‘Professor and Director, Doctor’‘’ when head of the Q4 division of PTB.DLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't title people as "Prof. and Dr." compare other articles. For example Einstein is not "Herr Prof. and Dr. Einstein." This overemphasis on titles seems to be bordering on POV pushing. JoshuaZ 04:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In English suffix PhD is given for prefix Dr. The German title Doctor Ingineur is summarily prefixed Dr.-Ing.
Can anyone provide the formal suffix for "Professor and Doctor-Ingenieur"? e.g. see Google Search Doctor IngenieurDLH 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: See Pre-nominal letters In some Continental European countries all academic degrees were traditionally pre-nominal. Examples of pre-nominal academic degrees, for instance in the German speaking countries include: Dipl.-Ing. (Engineer's Degree), Dipl.-Kfm. (Master's degree in management), Dipl.-Phys. (Master's degree in physics), Dr.-Ing. (German doctorate in engineering)
If that is the formal Continental practice, why do we need to change from Prof. & Dr.-Ing. DLH 14:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles

message: "Besides his scientific publications he is best known for..." No.
 lists 611.000 pages.
, which excludes the German words for God, evolution, creationist, and Bible, the count is reduced to 999.
This man just does not happen in the public except in his property as creationist. --Hob Gadling 13:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Scientific publications?

message: This is a specific German academic title: See Biography
[blockquote]Three prerequisites must be fulfilled in order for the German Ministerium to award the title ‘Director and Professor’ at a German research institute, on the recommendation of the Praesidium. The person concerned must be:
   1. A scientist. I.e. it is most definitely an academic title.
   2. One who has published a significant number of original research papers in the technical literature.
   3. Must head a department in his area of expertise, in which several working scientists are employed.[/blockquote]
Thus by definition, Gitt is also an Information Scientist.
Note that Gitt is not Director of the PTB, but has the academic title Director and Professor, Doctor See: Dir. u. Prof. Dr.DLH 00:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yawn, so now we are supposed to take AIG's word for it? Furthermore, nothing I saw above (even if completely accurate) justifies calling him an information theorist. JoshuaZ 00:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Wiki Policy Verifiability WP:V bases material on verifiability. I have provided the links to support the material. Above are links to selected technical information publications. Director and Professor is verified at PTB. If you want to find other sites that object, add those, but do not delete verifiable material. DLH 02:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: WP:NPOV beats WP:V. — Dunc|☺ 17:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion aboveDLH 03:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:NPOV trumps WP:V, but just to clarify, but you haven't demonstrated WP:V either.  Your conflation of information technology with information theory is a case in point.  — Dunc|☺ 10:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not conflating: He was working in and managing both.DLH 22:55, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Director and Professor

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