Talk:Fulton Center

message: What's up with this sentence?
:In addition to work on the four linked stations, including a large entrance building at Broadway and Fulton Street, the Dey Street Passageway is being built outside fare control to connect to the Cortlandt Street (BMT Broadway Line) station, and a passageway inside fare control will connect that station with the World Trade Center (IND Eighth Avenue Line) station.
I recently read a NY Times article online that showed a animation of the station complex. (2 months ago?) (Illustrations are not archived, therefore there's no way to retrieve it.) It demonstrated a person going from the IRT Broadway-7th Av. platform to the BMT Broadway platform without going outside fare control, if I recall correctly. Am I correct? Tinlinkin 13:38, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything that describes whether it's inside fare control. The video may have been outdated though. --NE2 02:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would the MTA connect the existing 2, 3, 4, 5, A, C, J, M and Z lines while having the N, R, W, and E line connection separate? The transfer is supposed to be amongst all those lines. That is why "outside fare control" makes no sense to me. (Maybe it's bad writing, I don't know. The present NY Times sources are from June 2006 and the article I read was much more recent than that. I will search the archives for the exact article I read.) Tinlinkin 03:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is the article: from January 2007. I currently don't have TimesSelect, but I always think about subscribing. Tinlinkin 03:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might have access through your local library; mine gives me back to 1980. Anyway, that article doesn't say whither the passageway will provide free transfers. Building it outside fare control would allow non-subway passengers, such as people coming from PATH, to use it. --NE2 06:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I was not thinking about the MetroCard (even though I know about the out-of-system transfers), but after reading your comment, I agree with you. After taking a closer look at the Dey Street Passageway, I think I understand the configuration better (with  and ). The Dey Street Passageway seems to be designed for easy paassage from the World Trade Center site into the Fulton Street Transit Center building, not a fare-controlled passageway. Otherwise, an entry to the subway system would have to be built near Church Street and the FSTC building would seem illogical. I apologize for the confusion I casued. I was thinking of my preconceived notions of fare-controlled passageways. [As a sidenote, I remember there was a fare-controlled underpass at Cortlandt St. station in which I looked at the "Trade, Treasure, and Travel" artwork. I think that is under Dey Street, but I'm not sure.] Tinlinkin 06:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the reference; it confirms my conclusion about pedestrian traffic (in a manner of speaking). What is the link for the entire document? Tinlinkin 02:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The full document is at http://www.mta.info/capconstr/fstc/feis.htm. If you slog through the whole thing, you can see they did consider putting that passageway inside of the paid zone. I suspect they concluded it would be a seldom-used transfer. For most plausible transit trips, there are more convenient places already available to transfer between those lines. Marc Shepherd 12:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fare control 

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message: Should the first image be the architect's rendering of the Transit Center which is certain not to be built in the form depicted, or the current reality at the site?  I advocate the reality as the first image in the article. patsw (talk) 13:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no alternative right now, because the MTA has not decided what will replace the design shown in the image. The lead section, however, ought to explain that the project is in limbo, and not likely to be built as originally announced. Right now, that information is buried lower down in the article. Marc Shepherd (talk) 14:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I went bold and rewrote the introduction to reflect the reality.  The intro is concise, the detail is in the footnotes.  That ugly photo is what's been there since 2006. patsw (talk) 02:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you may well have gone too far in the opposite direction. As I understand it, the Fulton Street Transit Center refers to the whole set of interrelated projects, including station rehabs, new entrances, the E/W connector, straightening the A/C mezzanine, the Dey Street Passageway, and the Corbin Building incorporation into the station. The only thing in limbo is the station building on the southeast corner of Fulton and Broadway. To describe the entire project as being in the past tense seems to me incorrect. Marc Shepherd (talk) 13:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the feedback. I put things back into present tense and clarified that the "center" is inactive, the "project" is on-going.  The article going forward needs to have that "center"/"project" duality maintained until the above-ground structure gets a definition and a schedule. patsw (talk) 21:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First image: fantasy or reality? 

message: what are all these references to the E Line at the Fulton Street Station? The final stop for the E line is the World Trade Center Station/Chambers Street
Matthewbrownny (talk) 00:46, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References to the E line

message: I don't think the M train, which is being merged with the V train next month, will stop at this station when it's built. Anlasbry (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct. The templates used by this article and many others will be updated at the end of June with the new routing of the M train. That will fix all the articles at the same time with only one edit. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 23:21, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  M train 

message: A project of such a scale does not go without controversy. I do have a list of problems that the public had, but I would like to collaborate, so that we can create a section that is properly styled.
*Cost overruns, budget
*Not on time
*Necessity of the Fulton Building?
*Demolishing buildings, relocating businesses
*Disruption of road traffic (Dey Street)
*The Dey St. tunnel has drew criticism for not allowing a free transfer
Hmanck (talk) 17:55, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to ask here. Vcohen (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy/Criticisms 

message: Is there a plan, map, or diagram of the complex?  It is not easy to visualize. Jd2718 (talk) 02:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jd2718: here is a diagram. Epicgenius (talk) 17:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram 

message: Was browsing Vito Acconci's website the other day and found an design he did called "ATRIUM, FULTON STREET TRANSPORATION CENTER".  He dates it 2004. Acconci Studio Website - Fulton Project  It bears a striking similarity to the Grimshaw / Arup / Carpenter design.
I also checked the respective pages for Grimshaw and Arup, but they don't mention Acconci at all.  
Anyone know what's the story here?  Perhaps there was an early conceptual competition (similar to the world trade center)?  
Padams20 (talk) 01:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vito Acconci? 

message: I haven't been much into the progress of the center for a while, so I may be a bit behind, but the article for the Dey Street Passageway says that the passageway has been complete (sans the connection to WTC) and the section on this page implies that it isn't. Also while some dates seem to have passed and have been edited to reflect current completion status, a lot of other dates in this article haven't. I'm going to look through some sources if I get the chance and try to tidy things up, but if anybody knows better than me the current status of the complex, I'd love to know if there is updating that needs to be done here at all. -- rellmerr (talk page • contribs)  03:47, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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