Talk:Chesty Puller

message: Why is there nothing about his later life or death?  It looks like in the article history there may have previously been content.  Seems like kind of an odd thing to leave out (other than the date of death).
174.63.77.110 (talk) 01:17, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Chesty Puller's death certificate via Ancestry.com lists immediate cause of death to be "Bronchopneumonia due to undetermined organism"; "other conditions contributing to death but not related to the terminal disease condition" listed as "Encephalomalacia due to cerebral arteriosclerosis". Londonjackbooks (talk) 17:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the Marine section to 'Death and Legacy' while adding where he's buried with a link to the church webpage detailing his burial which includes a photo of his tombstone. This is all meant as a placeholder of sorts till anyone who knows proper wikipedia formatting can adjust it as necessary as I know it is poorly cited. --130.123.231.77 (talk) 06:15, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Death?

message: This article indicates that Puller was awarded the PUC five times, so he would have a PUC ribbon with four stars on it (one for each subsequent award).  However, I am currently looking at his actual PUC at the National Museum of the Marine Corps, and his PUC has five stars, indicating six PUC awards.  Unless someone can shed some light on the discrepancy, I will be making a change to the article soon.  Calarch78 (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidential Unit Citation

message: 'XO' and 'CO' need expansion.  I'm guessing they mean 'executive officer' and 'commanding officer', but I'm not sure. - Molinari 20:32 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
: That is correct.  An executive officer (XO) is the assistant to a commanding officer (CO). -- Olathe November 23, 2003
I am under the impression that the Nicaragua war around 1924 was also referred to as the Banana wars.  Is this correct?
24 August 2003/ LJW
:Seems to be more generalized. EG http://www.scholarly.com/bkdetail.asp?0-8420-5046-9 Niteowlneils 01:48, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion of military acronyms

message: I have a problem with calling anyone not awarded the Medal of Honor the "most decorated" soldier, sailor, airman or Marine. Better to say that a person has been awarded "more medals or other decorations" than any other servicemember. I think that distinction needs to be made. One other minor point: never say a person "won" a medal. War is not a lottery! Medals are earned--usually at a terrible cost to the individual being recognized. DrDale 23:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was almost earmarked for the MOH because of the 5 Navy crosses.  It was the tradition that if a soldier earned 5 distinguished crosses (per se, the Army), it would be upgraded to a MOH.  However, there was a controversy between high echelon that canked the decoration, some argue that it was jealously, according to Marine! Life of Chesty Puller.RekonDog (talk) 08:01, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chesty deserves a Medal of Honor

message: The image in the Korean War section was :File:ChestyPuller.jpeg, which was just a face shot.  I've replaced it with a DOD photo of Chesty Puller cutting the Marine Corps birthday cake in Korean. 05:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing out Korean War picture

message: The article states: "Instinctively, Puller knew the army hierarchy would not allow General Smith, a Marine, to command a unit that included army troops. So, when ordered to begin the last phase of Operation Killer, Puller made the best of the opportunity by skillfully leading the 1st Marine Division and achieving its objectives." The word "so" means that one thing caused another. How would his knowledge that the Army would not let General Smith command its troops lead to him taking an oportunity to follow an order successfully? Also, hadn't he been in the military long enough to know plainly, rather than needing instinct to tell him, that the Army wouldn't long want to keep a commander from another branch (which they were, temporarily, allowing) in command of unfamiliar types of units? pvtbuddie June 19 2008
Yeah, that wasn't written properly.  As to the command issue, there was an incident in the Pacific theater in WWII, where an army General was removed from command by a Marine General, and the army vowed to never have that happen again.69.105.97.114 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reader Questions

message: "Retreat? we just got here!" That's such a gross misquotation it shames this whole page. I forget who exactly said it but the irony is, this page is enough evidence to know he didn't say that. General Puller never saw action in World War I, which is where this quote came from.  A US marine company commander uttered this sentence, when the French told him to follow them in retreat.
As for the rest of the quotes , I'm sure there are at least two that aren't his I just cant prove it, and there is only one that is his for sure.
GEEZE!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.8.168.134 (talk) 00:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, this is a Lloyd W. Williams quote!  See what I mean about discrepancies? (see my added section on this talk page).RekonDog (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotes that are listed are his, just that some aren't worded exactly as what he said.  For instance, the "Take me to the Brig. I want to see the real Marines." qoute.  It is almost correct, but wasn't exactly what he said.  I forgot what exactly how he said it but it wasn't like that.  The actual discussion was about how the Marines serving time are exposed to excessive military discipline due to the prison's cirriculum.  One of the biographies explains it...I'll correct this later when I have time.  My oh my, this page needs help.  Chesty would want his biography corrected.RekonDog (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: check the damn quotes

message: I have notices that the history is somewhat incorrect, and contains a lot of flaws.  Someone need to research his past a little bit more with extra scrutiny.  Perhaps when I get the time, I will fix them, but I have no time.  Just keep in mind folks, that his history article is in need of an overhaul.  I have a few biographies of his that I'll scope and re-correct the discrepancies, until then, Semper Fi.RekonDog (talk) 08:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor erroneous historical entries

message: The article now leads with what looks like material that was not put back where it belongs. I'm not sure how to fix it because. lacking citations, I can't tell what is reliable material. I'm hoping this article is being followed by those with more experience and, frankly, interest in cleaning up this mess. Due to the speed with which the last revert was applied, though, I'm sure this is the case.
Dhugot (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Structure and flow are messed up from recent reverts

message: When exactly die people start calling him "Chesty".  One could guess that it was some time after WWII due to the number of medals awarded to him.  But if the nickname is older than that, than it could have a different source.  Regardless, it seems to me that such information should be in the article and sourced. —MJBurrage(T•C) 18:05, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: While the story of how Sergeant John Basilone earned his Medal of Honor during the Battle of Henderson Field is an important one (not to mention it made for a riveting TV episode), I'm trying to find out why it is told in such detail on a page supposedly dedicated to telling people about Chesty Puller.  A side note (something akin to "It was in this battle that Sergeant John Basilone would earn the Medal of Honor" along with a link) should be sufficient, assuming it needs to be mentioned on this page at all.  What sayeth the collected intelligensia?-- JackFloridian (talk) 11:12, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it, I can agree that it deserves mention that during the Battle of Henderson field Basilone earned the MoH, but only as an aside with a wikilink to his article.  Cheers.  EricSerge (talk) 14:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.JackFloridian (talk) 07:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Intrusive Content Not Strictly Relevant to '''''This''''' Article

message: Puller is entitled to two Combat Action Ribbon awards (WW2 & Korea). I don't think any former Marine would dispute that and remove the CAR (personal decoration) from Puller's infobox as its "not of enough significance to be in the infobox", and remove the CAR with 5/16" gold star (I placed for Puller) from the article Awards and decorations section (ribbons display) which has been attempted here evidently so that Puller especially and other Marines' articles (see Gen Robert Barrow Talk, where the disrupting editor came-ran here from) for other Marines who served in combat can have their CAR's removed. The CAR is retroactive to December 7, 1941 according to Public Law 106-65--Oct. 5, 1999. YahwehSaves (talk) 19:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: While the CAR is retroactive, and it is likely that Puller would be entitled to the CAR, there are no reliable sources to substantiate his retroactive award of the CAR. I would also surmise that you are suggesting the I am the "disrupting editor". I do not appreciate the personal attack and remind you to assume good faith. To clarify why I do not follow your line of thinking, I suggest you read the following Wikipedia policies: Identifying reliable sources and No original research.  EricSerge (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

text: The only thing that we are to Assume good faith on is the intention of other editors. Everything, on Wikipedia should be sourced. We do not make guesses, I will again, for perhaps the dozenth time direct you to read the following Wikipeida policies: WP:Identifying reliable sources and WP:Verifiability. If we do not have a reliable source where facts can be verified, then we are printing WP:Original Research at best and lies or untruths at worst. Over the years, I have tried to assume good faith in working with you. When it seems you are unclear on a policy or guideline, I make sure to link that policy in my response to you. However, it appears that you have refused to read some of the most basic guidelines for editing at Wikipedia. We only put in articles what we can prove in sources. If you do not have a source, you can not assume good faith that someone, somewhere might have done something that is, at this point unverifiable. Again, you are asking us to prove a negative. In reference to the Barrow picture from NARA, I have to assume that is what you mean, as "Pullar" [sic] was never Commandant of the Marine Corps, I am referring primarily to the SACO medal ribbon. I had never seen any regulations permitting that one for wear by active duty members. Again, if you are the Commandant, who truly will bust your balls about it? IF we are to make suppositions about Chesty Puller and his dead relatives, do you really think that it means that much to them to go fill out the paperwork for additional and retrospective awards for a man as highly decorated as Puller? I do not know the answer, but I would bet a tall, cold, frosty beer that they would not and by God, Chesty probably would not have given two hoots about another addition to his fruit salad.  EricSerge (talk) 04:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards, combat action ribbon

message: Should we add the Korean War Service Medal to the page? Information about the award can be found at https://www.afpc.af.mil/About/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/421898/republic-of-korea-korean-war-service-medal/
Thanks - Weaklandjr (talk) 22:54, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards, [[Korean War Service Medal]]

message: I've removed the sections on quotations per WP:LONGQUOTE. Glrx's rationale that there was "a discussion" on another article about another individual is irrelevant to this article. Excessive quotations do not belong in an article, Wikiquote exists for that purpose, and as per WP:LONGQUOTE: "Quotations that can't be justified for use in an article directly may be placed in Wikiquote and a Wikiquote template put on the article to inform readers that there are relevant quotations regarding the subject." There is no justification given for these quotes other than the fact that another article has them; Yogi Berra is a poor example to compare with for a few reasons; it's hardly a good article to compare to and, as the lede of that article notes, Yogiisms are a big part of why he is known. Berra and Puller are known for different things, Berra is known for these quotes, Puller is not. That Puller has been quoted is not the same, as almost all famous individuals have been quoted. - Aoidh (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also already a link to Wikiquote in the article, so the Wikiquote page is what should be improved to add these quotations, as that's where they belong. The scope of Wikipedia articles does not include quotes for the sake of having them. - Aoidh (talk) 14:50, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations 

message: "The corps commander had to order the 1st MarDiv commanding general to pull the annihilated 1st Marines out of the line."
This sentence needs to be updated to clarify whether Puller was the corps commander or the MarDiv commanding general -- it's totally unclear.
"On February 24, however, his immediate superior, Major General O.P. Smith, was hastily transferred to command IX Corps when its Army commander, Major General Bryant Moore, died"
This needs to be corrected -- there is no "Army commander" in the Marine Corps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xmbecker (talk • contribs) 21:47, 27 July 2015
:First point: it states: The 1st Marines under Puller's command lost 1,749 out of approximately 3,000 men... clearly stated, he was in command of 1st MarDiv (altho the MarDiv abbreviation seems odd to me). OK he was in command of the 1st Marine Regiment in the battle hmm. Vsmith (talk) 01:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Second point: it states:  transferred to command IX Corps when its Army commander, Major General Bryant Moore, died. Gen. Moore was an Army general and was commander of IX Corps. Seems quite clear to me. Vsmith (talk) 01:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections needed: 

message: Apparently there is a tree in the "Valley of the Titans" area of the costal redwoods in California called "Chesty Puller". It is located near a WWII memorial reserve, though I'm not sure if this is why it is named after the Lt. General. 
I tried to find some sort of official index of notable old-growth redwoods but was unable to find such an authority though if imagine that the Federal and California dept of Forestry would have such a list (official or otherwise). 
Anyway, here's a link that explains the tree a bit: http://www.mdvaden.com/redwood_chesty_puller.shtml
There are other citations available but there does seem to be a bit of confusion over if this is a nickname given by the author of the citation listed above, or if it is an official name. I'll let someone else explore this particular rabbit hole as I'm about to jump out.
Posimosh (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Namesakes in popular culture addition 

message: Someone has recently changed the first line to something than other than a "Lt Gen".  I have fixed both edits,  but I am sure it will be changed back soon. Feickus (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: The page says "Puller received the second-highest U.S. military award five times (the only person ever in U.S. history): five Navy Crosses and one U.S. Army Distinguished Service Cross."
The first "five" should be "six" but I'm not going to change it because some Assburgers-riddled Wikipedia editor would have a hissy fit.69.140.166.249 (talk) 01:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Six Not Five

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message: Why is there no mention of his daughter, Martha, and here husband, a retired Marine general, both of whom are still alive? 2600:1700:3B90:C4A0:944B:ED48:73BD:4103 (talk) 17:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have that info and references, please feel free to do so. Ckruschke (talk) 14:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  His other daughter and her husband