Talk:History of Yemen

message: There is only one image (besides the map) in this article and it is of some Persian king who did something in Yemen. This article is not about Persians.  If there is going to be one image at this time, it should convey a significant event in Yemen history or a notable time in that region or an important historical Yemeni figure. If there were more pictures, I wouldn't object to the inclusion of the Persian king image. And I don't understand why it has to be at the top rather than next to the section it corresponds to. --Inahet 07:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have had hard time finding decent websites about the ancient history of yemen. This is infact becasue the history of yemen is largely unkown, and archeologists have started recently (about 20 years) searching ancient sites. Thats why the dates are not accurate.
If anybody knows good websites, and mostly importantly books, about the history of yemen, then please please post it here and share your wisdom with us. 
Jidan 19:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you seem very knowledgeable, so feel free to make any corrections to the article, just make sure to provide references. Are you from Yemen, BB? --Inahet 06:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The dates here seem to be off. The first inscriptions in Epigraphic South Arabian date to the 8th c. BCE, with the first affirmed date (through synchrony with Assyrian sources) is the 7th c. BCE. Ma'in is older than Saba, but only by a century or so. The Minain language died out ca. 2nd c. BCE, which I assume is when the kingdom ended as well. Hadramawt was incorporated into Himyar beginning in the 4th c. AD, and Qataban around 200 AD, I believe (my source says end of 2nd c. AD, but it had to be in existence in the 3rd c. because a Himyarite source lists it as allied against Himyar along with Hadramawt, Saba', and Aksum). Does anyone else have some dates and reliable sources? I don't think there will be any objections, as this isn't a huge change from what is up now (earlier when it put Ma'in at 1200 BCE it would have been), but just bring it up with me here if you have a different source with dates. I'm not touching "Awsan," because I know nothing about it. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 06:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Regarding the timeline, it has no sources, and lists suspect dates. 1292 BC is way too precise, as are almost all of the others. I said that I wouldn't change dates so far off because I wasn't sure, but these dates are too precise to be correct, so I'm changing them in line with the rest of the article. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 07:53, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline and dates in the history of yemen 

message: It is very noticeable that the Jewish role in Yemen, which indeed goes back to very ancient times and has left its mark for example in the story of the Queen of Sheba who visited King Solomon and took home his religion, has pretty well been written out of this account. That is not because this influence or history is not important, even beyond the major impact it had on "Sabian" and later cultures all up and down the Red Sea: in fact it had fundamental influence on later Muslim religion and belief, since the large Jewish cultural and religious presence in Muhammad's time influenced many aspects of his understanding and practice. For example, it is omitted that around 500 C.E., the King of Yemen, Abu-Kariba Assad-Tobban, converted to Judaism and so did an unknown number of his people, especially the leading clans and tribes. There was no attempt to force this faith on those who wished to remain pagan or Christian in the kingdom, which at that time extended all the way up into northern Arabia and Yathrib, in consonance with the usual Jewish view that one does not need to be Jewish to be worthy of salvation, and that there are righteous and godly people in every culture and religion, including the pagan ones. E.g., in the Hebrew Scriptures, there is a whole book devoted to Job who is presented as the model of righteousness pleasing to God, but he is introduced at the start as a pagan Arab of central Arabia. But Abu-Kariba's son, Zorah Yusuf, or Dhu-Nuwas ("Curly locks") as he was nicknamed, was a hot-headed man (typically for the time), and decided after taking over the kingdom in 520 to punish Byzantine merchants and tax Christians generally for the persecutions of Jews in Byzantium; this aroused some Christians in the land to rise against him and invite the Christian Ethiopian king Elesbaa or Atzbaha to war against him. This war brought an end to the Jewish kingdom around 530, causing some Jews to flee further north and to strengthen the Jewish communities of central Arabia that were so influential in the next generation on Muhammad.
Why do we not read a neutral, less biased account about this? Why indeed is Dhu Nuwas described in this article as an illegitimate usurper, and not the legitimate inheritor from his father?  Because of a strong POV on the part of Arab contributors that is also reflected in this generation in the Yemeni and Arab refusal to recognize and admit that there actually exists a legitimate Jewish state in the Middle East, the State of Israel.
Downplaying the Jewish presence and influence also allows for a more marvelous account of Muhammad, who thus springs upon the scene with some knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures, even reflecting on occasion later Rabbinic interpretations, and indeed who makes Moses the most referred to prophet in the Qur'an, purely by divine inspiration.
There is no evidence of reference to or learning from the numerous Jewish scholarly researches, especially in German, French, English and Hebrew, into the history and cultures of Jews in Arabia, or for that matter about Arabs in Arabia. That makes this article inadequate, biased and unacceptable.
However, I will not revert the entire article as should be done. I merely note that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, precisely because of the danger of such biases in their anonymously authored and edited articles. This article demonstrates that, as do several other Wikipedia articles I have checked with dealing with Jews and Arabs. The biggest populations with vested interests in the "story," will win out over smaller populations every time. Truth itself is politicized and ignored.
May I point out that by restoring full dignity and respect to the positive role Jews have played in Yemeni and larger Arab history and culture, a more peaceful world will be encouraged and fanaticism and chauvinism lessened? Probably a wasted message.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.235.121 (talk) 02:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're able to provide citations from reliable sources, then any additions you can make to this article are welcome. — Hex (❝?!❞) 17:31, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-Muslim History and the Role of Jews

message: This section covers, in narrative style, the history of Yemen from Muhammad to the end of Ottoman Rule.  Then following this narrative, there are 10 subheadings which divide this history into its historical constitutents; yet these subheadings are empty, and furthermore many of them are covered in the narrrative section preceding the subheadings.  If no one plans to add to these sections, I purpose that they should be deleted, as they look rather awkward and break up the flow of the article, making it more confusing to understand.  Trojan traveler 01:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Post Islamic history

message: This article really needs an opening paragraph, or at least an opening sentence, before it goes right into the subsections. Chris 05:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: cleanup tagging

message: Yom can you please point out the parts you dont agree with? I really find most of the article shaky, but I didn't find  nothing "new" or flase--Skatewalk 21:17, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what he basically did, was take Ancient history of Yemen, which had been split from this page as discussed above, and added his own POV to it. The whole stuff about the Qahtan, Semitic languages, etc. have grains of truth but mainly contain fabrication and Arab tradition, rather than history. Moreover, he edited a cited statement on the Tihama cultural complex to say that it originated in the Tihama and spread to the Western side of the Red Sea and that "Africanists" claim the opposite, as opposed to the neutral assessment that existed earlier (that it probably originated on the Western side of the Red Sea, but that its origins are still little known; I have a citation to add also, as it is not accepted by all and is still extremely tenuous). I'm going to remove his edits now, and if you'd like to deal with them at Ancient history of Yemen, take it up on the talk page there, please. — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 01:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why did the last version reverted

message: We are trying to show respect to our brothers in Ethiopia, but we cant tolertae the Anti-Arab agenda you are spawnnng such as below:
(rv POV, fabrication and largely apocryphal tradition & legend; see Talk:History of Yemen). Today Yemen is a 100% Arab nation. And All Arabs trace their lineage back to Yemen. the whole Toihama section is added just because they suspected African origins to jars found in Tihama! We know Yemenites traded with Africa. And Yemen never had any Non-Semitic influence (opposed to Ethiopia that was Cushite before the Yemenites settled Eat Africa). Yemen is he only 100% Semitic pure Arab nation (name one NONSemitic language that existed in Yemen). While Non Semitic languages were spoken in Ancient Syria and Mesopotamia.
* The article listed refrences that you chose to delete! and disrespect as utter BS? So tell me who is fabricating here!--Skatewalk 22:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've responded at Talk:Ancient history of Yemen. Let's keep the discussion there to keep it centralized. I'm not disrespecting Yemeni tradition, but tradition is not history. It's fine to note that, in Arab tradition, Yemen is the original homeland of Arabs (the Qahtanites), but we also have to note that, historically, we only have evidence of the South-Semitic speaking South Arabians, not Arabs, until about the 6th century (with Arabs conquered by South Arabians at the beginning of the 5th century). — ዮም | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 05:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: If you cant respect Yemeni traditional history, please stick to editing Ethiopia!

message: The description of the imageSun temple.jpg is incorrect. See:  -- Tapatio (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: This is a major event and deserves its own subheading. I created a link to it in another story. Please do not delete it.--BoogaLouie (talk) 18:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: How come there is nothing on the actual events in Yemen???
Capbat (talk) 15:07, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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