Talk:Jenny Morris (musician)

message: Is this the same Jenny Morris that is in the band Innosense? -WarthogDemon 06:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. --ozzmosis 20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, this calls for disambig. -WarthogDemon 01:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Member? 

message: :Image:Jenny Morris portrait.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Jenny Morris portrait.jpg

message: Dan arndt and I intend to make some major edits to this article to get it up to B Class. Interim edits may appear incomplete or disorganised and the process is expected to take about a week.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Now at B-class (at least). Some other tweaks & touches may be needed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 11:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed major edits

message: The following unsigned message has appeared on my talkpage:
:You can't post my bio information from com.au to .com they are different and have no right post. I already legal esquire and my website is copyright protect now and you stole that information without asking me. I can take legal action with Wikipedia you put back the bio back  
07:02, 4 January 2010 
Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing lead vocals in the all-girl group The Wide Mouthed Frogs.[2][7] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[8] This was followed in 1980 by the band The Crocodiles, with whom she scored a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears'. In February 1981, at the behest of manager Mike Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, Australia, only to disband in July.
::According to my page history at 13:54, 11 November 2010, it was posted by User 124.176.58.238.
:I'm not entirely sure which parts of the Jenny Morris article are believed to be from the user's website. However this same user has deleted material from Early years and The Crocodiles section which was verified by reliable sources. The sources were also deleted. I would prefer to discuss these deletions and arrive at a consensus.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A second source's ref tab has been disrupted. The source is found here and is provided by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Again, I don't see any copy violation here either.
Until this situation is resolved I have reverted the previous edits.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Note for continuity I've moved my earlier signature to the position above and will then respond to new information below these comments.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Posted concern re: copy violation at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2010 November 11 instead of suspected copyright violations page link above.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copy violation

message: Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris OAM (born 29 September 1956) is a New Zealand-born Australian pop/rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with "Tears". Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983. Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood's hit "Jackson", it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour. Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are "She Has to Be Loved" and "Break in the Weather". These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts. Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why you placed this here without a comment. I found a similar (same?) introduction to Morris at ABC's Dig Music website where they clearly acknowledge Wikipedia as the source and direct interested readers to this article. As far as I can tell, there is no copy violation involved in either direction.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ABC Biography 

message: On 17 November, User:124.176.58.238, made a series of edits on this article, see page history for differences. The User removed the sentence about Morris' membership in How's Your Father and disrupted two references for a third time. 
Additionally, the phrase "taken from my bio" was added in five places in the article, this is despite the fact that statements had a citation (or in the case of those in the Lead, were supported by reliable sources later in the article). The claims appeared after:
#"born 29 September 1956" – This has been discussed extensively above. I agree with Yoenit that you cannot copyright information like a birthdate. If the date was false or insulting to Morris then a change would be needed but that is not the question here.
#"won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988" – Which is supported later in the main text and in the table of awards and nominations with references from ARIA itself. Currently refs [35], [87] and [88]. Her 1992 nomination is also reffed at [89].
#"Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris" – Both her full name and the diminutive are found at the APRA ref for her song writing and performing, "Get Some Humour". Seen at ref [1], her full name is also available at the Order of Australia refs [78] and [79].
#"was born in Tokoroa, New Zealand in 1956 and grew up in Hamilton" – Supported by APRAP article from 2008 at ref [2]. Also note that Morris started with APRA as a writer director in 1995 and is still on its Board (see ref [50]).
#"performed at the Concert for Life at Centennial Park in Sydney" – Supported by Bozza's book.
As indicated above, this information can be obtained from separate sources and just because it appeared in this article does not mean it was taken from the User's site. 
These edits were correctly reverted by Dan arndt.
If User:124.176.58.238 has any further specific instances of suspected copy violation I request that they be aired here first so that clarification may occur and consensus can be reached prior to any contentious changes.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Have found a number of references which clearly state that Morris was born in Tokoroa, raised in Hamilton and was a member of 'How's Your Father', which was a finalist in the 1976 National Battle of the Bands. These are independent verifiable sources and not taken from User:124.176.58.238's website. I have included them in the article so that it is clear that this information has not been sourced from that site. Dan arndt (talk) 04:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

text: We should follow our BLP policy, which says birthdays and full names should not be included unless widely published (wp:DOB). As this is clearly not the case I have therefore removed the information from the article. If you do find a reliable source for the information feel free to put it back, but the fact that it is so hard to find suggests she might not want it publically known. Yoenit (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Please provide a link to the website in question. Yoenit (talk) 06:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the process of doing so - just a slight hiccup with the link. Dan arndt (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Claims not supported

message: In the process of tracking down who the other members of How's Your Father - to date they were Peter 'Lez' White (bass); Stephen Stratford (guitar); Jenny Morris... If anyone can track down the other members then that would be appreciated. 06:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: How's Your Father