Talk:Soccer mom

message: There seems to be an attempt to paint the soccer mom as liberal in this article, when some people actually consider the stereotype to be conservative. Assuming that they would only vote Democrat shows a one-sidedness to this stereotype, which is used by both sides of the political spectrum to insult each other. Also, I've heard more people talk about "SUV driving soccer moms" than minivan driving ones. I've heard a similar flipside to the anti-creationism stereotype as well. -- LGagnon 01:20, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
:I perceive that the McCain-Palin presidential campaign is attempting to create a distinct political identity in "hockey mom". The term "soccer mom" played a similar identity role in the 1996 U.S. presidential campaign. Because Bill Clinton won that election, supposedly with the votes of the "soccer mom", the 2008 creation of a "hockey mom" identity for conservatives renders "soccer mom" a liberal identity by default.  More accurately, the Republicans would have us see "soccer moms" as the past and "hockey moms" as the future. Hopefully some citations can be found to support my analysis for the article or articles.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.220.164.38 (talk) 01:44, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: One sided POV in the article

message: Why was this article renamed and replaced with a disambiguation page, with a link to a non-existing article, Soccer mom (Canada)? I have undone the move. -- Viajero 13:36, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  restored original name 

message: I have always associated soccer moms with conservatism and I was surprised when I read this article.  I was wondering if the liberal/conservative thing may have more to do with the area than the soccer moms themselves; here in the suburban South I think that soccer moms are quite conservative.  I would like to strip at least most of the political stuff out of the article. TomTheHand 20:15, Mar 30, 2005 (UTC)
I'd have to agree with that. I'm pretty shocked that there's nothing in here about the general conception of Soccer Moms as overbearing parents with too many opinions and too much time. Lines like "This video game is sure to upset the soccer moms" or "The soccer moms are throwing a fit about such and such on TV" are common enough to warrant a mention I'd say. Charagon 7:08, Dec. 2, 2007.
:I would imagine that both urban and suburban soccer moms are more or less as conservative or liberal as are other mothers in their area. Soccer moms are a demographic that both the Republican and Democratic Parties feel they can target, that indicates that they aren't inherently liberal or conservative, but a swing demographic. As for taking the politics out of the article, the only reason most people even know of the term is from its political use.--RLent (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberal vs. conservative 

message: Just wanted to thank Samaritan for the recent revisions to this page.  It looks great now!  It's much less biased and in my opinion provides a really good definition and history of the term. TomTheHand 21:18, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
:*blush* Aww, thanks! The heart of it was there; it just needed more context in places. Samaritan 21:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: I am not a native speaker (perhaps a naive one) and have a question: can somebody explain the related "sucker mom" and it's place in the discourse to me. (Ok, I know the saucy side of the term, but I thought, ther might be more to it. Thanks.
:I just did a quick word search in the article and couldn't find the word "sucker" anywhere.  Did you see the two terms linked together elsewhere and then come here to find out how they may have been related? Dismas|(talk) 16:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related Terms 

message: I'm not sure where to best put this, but for those who aren't from North America some background might make things more comprehensible.  In particular, soccer as a professional-level sport is not very popular in the U.S. or Canada, but soccer leagues for suburban children are extremely common.  So in contrast to, say, Europe, in the U.S. and Canada the very mention of the sport has an association with suburban children's leagues. --130.207.119.24 12:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  probably needs a little background 

message: Man, it would be incredible if there were a subject photo for this article like this.  I wish I knew a soccer mom type willing to stage it, so I could release it the public domain.  Does anyone else?  --nathanbeach 15:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hang out at a suburban elementary school with a camera and snap some pictures of a woman with a bunch of bratty kids. --Kalmia 19:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Disconnect is not a noun; it is a verb. If you connect (v.) something, you have a connection (n). If you disconnect (v>) something, you have a disconnection (n.).
Feel free to edit accordingly.
:In California English, at least, disconnect functions as both an noun and a verb, whereas disconnection is awkward and rare. Atropos 08:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  disconnect

message: Most of this article contains questionable text. It didn't include the main definition, so I've included it at the top. The article even tries to establish a link to race which I consider wrong. The terms associated meanings are rapidly changing as soccer takes a greater hold in the US and they are heard and adapted in the rest of the world. Today's meaning is different than the meaning yesterday or one, 10 or 20 years ago. It would be wise to minimize the text related to this term, cite it all and revisit it frequently. In short, I think it needs to be rewritten.
Edit June 5th - The Citation banner was placed at the top of page and the few lines of text I added removed (now gone). In my opinion the article doesn't represent the meaning (that most people associate) of "Soccer mom" and instead represents it as more political/historical (which might still be used as additions). I am fairly confident that the Denver soccer mom first knew/thought of the term (even if 1 second before stage delivery) in relation to its simple definition "A Woman (normally mother) taking an active interest in (generally taking to play - not always driving) children playing soccer". That's fairly close to the removed sentence I think!!! When I initially wrote it I double checked, and this meaning was the first definition in the dictionary I used, and the political side was second.
The definition suggested above is vague and awkwardly worded, as well as redundant: of course soccer moms are normally mothers!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.174.24 (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded/expanded the article and added citations for every statement.  It seems well cited now, so I've removed the banner.  There is still more to do, add more sources and add material from the existing sources.--Work permit (talk) 05:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A much needed improvement to the article - nice job. -- The Red Pen of Doom 05:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing defn added, many citations needed, remove racial and restructure it vastly minimized.

message: Soccor mom is rarely used in Australian political discourse. However, a phenomenon commonly referred to as "Doctor's wives" is often used to describe upper/middle-class house wives with "small-l liberal" views moving from support of the Liberal Party to various left-wing parties.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.96.240 (talk) 07:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia

message: According to Wikipedia, it is ('hockey mom' redirects here.)  But this Slate article  differentiates them, in the light of Sarah Palin's profligate use of the term.
===example videos===
I think a "hockey mom" is a more aggressive version of soccer mom, and this should be mentioned on the front page.
*hockey mom home video (bad language)
*Daily Show bit shows Sarah Palin make the joke "Q:how is a hockey mom different from a pit bull? A:lipstick"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chekholko (talk • contribs) 17:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is a 'Hockey Mom' the same as a 'Soccer Mom'?

message: I think a "hockey mom" is a more aggressive version of soccer mom, and this should be mentioned on the front page.
*hockey mom home video (bad language)
*Daily Show bit shows Sarah Palin make the joke "Q:how is a hockey mom different from a pit bull? A:lipstick"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chekholko (talk • contribs) 17:06, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: example videos

message: I deleted uncited references to "popular minivans amongst soccer moms"--Work permit (talk) 04:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  uncited references  

message: If “Hockey Mom” does manage to find it’s way into the vernacular fine, but clearly there is no distinct criteria under which one could characterize a Women as such.
This was a spurious term created to aggrandize Sarah Palin, and I defy anyone to define the criteria, and tie together common characteristics other then kids involved in Hockey.
By the way, even by that non definitive definition, Palin was a “Hockey Mom” for one year, some eight years ago. The concept faux to the core.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.160.5.25 (talk) 21:55, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: “Hockey Mom” is faux vernacular

message: A Hockey Mom is not the same as a Soccer Mom, and should have its own heading. Although both are invoved in their children's sports, a Soccer Mom is very passive in her support, i.e. her child is there to have fun; all games should be tied; etc.  A Hockey Mom on the other hand is very feisty, i.e. chanting, animated, banging on the glass, etc., and her child is there to win. In Canada, both terms are often used outside of their respective sports to describe a person's behaviour. Procorp (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Hockey Mom" vs. "Soccer Mom"

message: In this edit, I removed a reference to the New York Times article because it did not support the preceding statement.  Without that support, the statement is of highly dubious nature.  Powers T 01:50, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absent a reliable source, I'm deleting the reference.  Even if a reference is found, the observation doesn't belong in the intro section--Work permit (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: In England (and I suspect Scotland too), soccer attracts the (inaccurate) stereoytpe of being exclusively a working class male pursuit, so "soccer mom" (or mum) would be a very foreign concept. Possibly there's such a thing as a "rugby mum" Millbanks (talk) 09:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be "football mum"? Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 03:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: England

message: The sentences and section about popularity are rather arbitrary.  They don't say "where" the term became popular, nor do any of the references provide a reliable source support these statements that the term became popular after 1995.  The term "soccer mom" can be found in numerous articles, movies, etc going back at least to the 1980's and probably much further back.  Someone else has also mentioned that the term "soccer" means different things depending on which side of the Atlantic you grew up in.   The ShadowSkull (talk • contribs)  13:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "the changes made because of them are for the better" - I agree. And thank you for all the hard work you put into making this article better.  If I come across any earlier reference to "soccer mom", I'll try to remember to post.   The ShadowSkull (talk • contribs)  11:25, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute: Popularity 

message: Years ago, there was an article call "Soccer dad." It was removed and redirected here, to "Soccer mom." Does anyone think "soccer dad" means the same thing and belongs here, in the Soccer mom article?   Dekyi 23:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Soccer dad]]

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message: I've placed a frameless, uncaptioned image in the lede.  The image of a woman with a crinkled coat standing alone under an umbrella in the rain watching children at a soccer game.  I feel the image artistically captures the essence of  "a North American, middle-class, suburban, white woman who spends a significant amount of her time transporting her school-age children to youth sporting events."---- Work permit (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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