Talk:Commando Order

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Kommandobefehl (German for Commando Order) was Adolf Hitler's order to execute all captured Allied Commandos in 1942.
In October 18, 1942 Adolf Hitler issued an order that all Commandos captured in Europe and Africa (but excluding seamen), should be immediately killed even if they attempted to surrender. Any man or small group of men with the uniform of Commando or similar unit would be turned over to the Sicherheitsdienst (SD or Nazi security service) for summary execution. He claimed that since Commandos were ordered not to take prisoners, (which was false), they would not be taken as prisoners, either. 
Arguably, any members of resistance movements and partisan forces, the SOE, OSS and any belligerent not carrying arms openly or wearing a fixed distinctive emblem recognisable at a distance, (per Article 1, Chapter 1, Section 1 of the Annex to the Hague Convention II, 1899), are not covered by the terms of the Laws and Customs of War on Land and are liable to be regarded as a Franc-tireur or spy.
Generals like Erwin Rommel and Albrecht Kesselring did not obey the order but relied on the Geneva conventions. 
Hitler later extended this treatment to captured Allied pilots, and the SD's role was taken over by the Gestapo.
Externals links
*Full English translation of the order in http://www.nlc.net.au/~bernie/hitler.htm
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I have merged what I thought was information which was not in the Command Order page but there may be more --Philip Baird Shearer 01:03, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
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message: I don't know what a Commando order is.  Why doesn't the first few sentences of this article explain the meaning of the term and its significance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.139.190.35 (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I’ve re-arranged the text in the introduction to remedy this. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: PS I've also asked for a citation; was Runstedt’s instruction ever even called a Commando Order? Xyl 54 (talk) 14:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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message: Okay, first, professionally, you should provide an overview of the then contemporary understanding of military law regarding "commandos" and for intellectual coherence the modern understanding of the "judicial" stature of "commandos"...
As it is, the article simply seems to be implying Hitler is merely enforcing a countermeasure against an initial aggressive perfidy on the part of the Commandos...
If the Commandos are not saboteurs or "unlawful combatants", the article needs to make this pellucid and crystal-clear.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 07:32, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Legal status alone is not everything. One must also keep in mind that commandos would execute prisoners, as they did in Norway, not being able to take them along. It was basically a tit-for-tat-order in response to this. You reap what you sow. 80.213.23.48 (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  LEGAL status of "Commandos" 

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message: As I recall the issue, Hitler gave his 'commando order' because commandos had captured some German Soldiers on the Channel Island of Sark, and cut their throats before leaving.
Regarding 'war crimes', we should remember that the allies committed no 'war crimes' during the war. 
Everything the Germans did was a war crime (e.g. Eichmann's job (like his father) was to organize railway timetables). Nothing the allies did was a war crime, even if it was identical or far worse that anything the Germans did.1.129.96.227 (talk) 20:33, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of throats cut. 

message: Should we believe, according to accusations recorded during the Nuremberg trials that Germany committed the Katyn murders, killed 20,000 people with an atomic bomb and killed 840,000 Russian soldiers with a pedal-powered brain bashing machine, turned people into lampshades and shrunken heads etc...etc?
Prosecutor Kirschbaum to his client, Einstein: "How can we bring this pig (Mendel?) to the gallows for murdering your brother if you are so stupid as to bring your brother into this courtroom?"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.129.96.71 (talk) 21:47, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: This article is quite good but it strays from the topic. At Churchill's instigation two new distinct organisations were set up, one was Special Operations Executive (SOE) the other the British Commandos. Members of MI6 and SOE and later their American equivalents were executed in line with the laws of war, the Commando Order did not change what members of those organisations knew would probably happen to them if captured. So references to those organisations and the Commando Order should be removed. For example F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas (the white rabbit) was a member of SOE what was done to him had nothing to do with the Commando Order.
Downed airmen and possibly some sailors who as POWs were murdered were not murdered because of the Commando Order and should be removed from the list that has been added to this article. Escaped POWs who were not commandos and were shot were probably murdered (it depends on what they were doing once the escaped), but for example it is generally held that the killing of the men who were captured during the Great Escape were murdered, but it had nothing to do with the Commando Order.
The Commandos and Special Forces such as the SAS, if captured in uniform were according to the Commando Order were libel to be executed and frequently were. It is these instances that should be the focus of this article, all the rest is of topic fluff and should be removed ("Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information"). 
One last point that needs clarification. F. F. E. Yeo-Thomas  testified at the trial of Otto Skorzeny at the Dachau trials, which led to the finding that to operate in enemy's uniform behind enemy lines is not perfidy and so not a war crime but a legitimate  ruse de guerre (Like a ship flying false colours) providing that soldiers remove the enemy's uniform before engaging in hostilities (shooting). However during World War II during the battle of the Bulge some of Skorzeny's men were executed by the Americans for wearing US Army uniforms, I do not know if all of them had been engaged in hostilities before being captured, so this was a legal point not settled under international law until after World War II.
-- PBS (talk) 17:54, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Rather belatedly, on the flip side of this, shouldn't the killings after Operation Checkmate be included on this list? They seem to meet the criteria. HornetMike (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Killings and murder but not the Commando Order 

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replies: text: Thank you for reporting this - I've removed the link. Nick-D (talk) 09:23, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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