Talk:Teena Marie

message: the first teena marie album was not wild and peaceful. it was aladin's lamp 1980 and it does have a very clear picture of her on the cover, her hair is very straight and i think she was 19 at the time but im not sure. there is no mention of this album on this site. Get christie love (talk) 06:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: First album

message: The first cd was not Irons in the fire (1980. But wild and Peaceful which came out in 1979. The hit on that album was a song featuring Rick James called "I'm Just a sucker for your Love".== Whistle register ==
Does anyone know what songs she sings that high in i wanna hear, i love teena marie!
*"Fire & Desire" with Rick James is one...enjoy! Lesanichelle 01:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ummm... she hits A5 & B5 at the end of young love. The whistle register is E6. If it were a pitch higher than C#6 then that would make it D6, a note lower than the whistle register. 67.181.94.201 23:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why must we discount live performances.  At some awards show, Rick and Teena came back out and she hit the F.  I promise you, I love Teena and KNOW SHE IS GOD'S GIFT TO BLUE EYED SOUL, but even I jumped up for that. Antares33712 18:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I can't find that version of Deja Vu. On We've Got To Stop, the highest note is C#6, which isnt high enough to qualify her as a whistle register singer. As for that F, I wish I could hear it, I love her high notes. You don't happen to know the song or what awards show it was on? Myke 03:16, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No ones doubting her. It's just there should be evidence of her abilities somewhere. I mean I have a list of 55 artists who have pitched at least an E6 in a recording and the recording of it, and some artists I have only heard through clips that I do not have such as Whitney Houston, Jennifer Hudson, and a couple singer who have gotten close to the whistle register easily. And I have yet to have been given a name of a song where Teena Marie hits a note higher than C#6. And still she would need to hit a E6 to be considered a whistle register-capable singer. Myke 07:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Highest notes

message: I attended Venice with Tina as she was known then but I'm not sure if she graduated or not.She's not in the Venice Gondoliers 1974 Yearbook along with the other graduates in the "Class of 1974".She was two grades higher than me.I recall seeing her around the campus.jeanne (talk) 14:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Venice High School

message: I recall her being on BET's Video Soul back in the day and then host Donnie Simpsons called her white, but she had gone on to say that she was not white and that she was "Chicana."  Just thought I would mention that.  If she was lying or not, I don't know, but she did say it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.93.188 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that she's of Portuguese ancestry, however, her surname "Brockert" would indicate German ancestry as well. I don't remember her ever socialising with the Mexican-Americans at Venice High; in fact, she basically hung out with black people.--jeanne (talk) 13:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Brockert is English not German.86.7.140.64 (talk) 20:54, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Soul: "I'm not white." 

message: I've noticed that recent edits have been done to remove unsourced and inaccurate statements about Teena Marie.  I'm glad, as this adheres to the policy regarding biographies of living people.  I'd like to re-write and source several sections, but if I don't get around to it, I want to direct others to Google Books and Google Scholar, which link to several sources.--Raskovnik (talk) 07:34, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I'm back so soon!  I propose reworking this article to bring it closer to a "Good" rating.  I have checked some R&B artist articles and found that LeToya Luckett's contains several elements that would work well here.
*A lead section with a focus on Teena Marie's career highlights (such as her crossover single "Lovergirl" and her #1 R&B single "Ooh La La La"), without details of her personal life.  It's notable to mention Teena Marie's status as a Caucasian R&B artist; however, the the specifics regarding her ethnicity might go better in an "Early life" section.  Also, any mention of her daughter would be perfectly appropriate when discussing their professional collaborations--such as on the La Doña album.  I have just noticed that Alia Rose is mentioned in reference to the Passion Play album, which is adequate as well.
*As I mentioned above, an "Early life" section.  Information in the current "Biography" section about her childhood and youth could be left here, while information pertinent to her recording career--if not already mentioned--could be moved to later sections in the article.
*Career sections could be created and divided by dates, notable events, and/or record label releases.  Teena Marie released albums under Motown, Epic, independently, CashMoney, and is now again apparently an independent artist.  Based on these "eras," I'm sure appropriate section titles could be created.
*As that tag suggests, several items in the trivia section could indeed be integrated in the article.  I am not certain, however, where to mention that Teena Marie is Maya Rudolph's godmother.
*Sources!  This article lacks them in almost every section, even though they're findable.  
That's about it.  More suggestions are welcome!--Raskovnik (talk) 17:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reworking this article

message: Ivoryqueenofsoul.com no longer exists. So it has been deleted.Los besos (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Website

message: I'm working on revising the article. I have my references and citations and all, too.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floetry Spades (talk • contribs) 02:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now plentiful references so I removed the BLP Sources edit tag from the top of the article, which had been there since August 2008. DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reworking article

message: Until today there was a suggestion in this article to split the Discography section into its own article. I am in the process of completing the split, and just created the new Teena Marie discography. I copied the tables and references that were here into that new article. Teena Marie experts, please check out that article and see if all the discography info is still accurate and up to date. Meanwhile I am altering this main Teena Marie article accordingly so the information is not repeated. Sincerely, DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 01:08, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Discography Article 

message: This page has comments at the top of the page and is really untidy.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 14:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: This talk page needs to be tidied up

message: I just got a phone call about this from a source, but there's no actual news about it and scant mention of it on twitter. Either super-fresh breaking news or another false celeb death rumor. Heads up....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.221.214 (talk) 00:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: LeVar Burton just tweeted about it. Does that count for anything? —Wasabe3543  01:07, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyone repeating a rumor, on Twitter or elsewhere, does not constitute a source.  Whether or not that person was ever on Star Trek doesn't matter.  WP:BLP demands a reliable source; that is more important than being "first".  Google News is currently void of anything; it will come soon enough if true.  Put the page under review protection; edits should not be promoted until verified by a reliable source.  --Kbh3rdtalk 01:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Possible source: http://carey2.blogspot.com/2010/12/philly-radio-station-reports-teena.html  --FeanorStar7 (talk) 01:10, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wait for it. --Kbh3rdtalk 01:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Still rumors, but for now - I'll just keep an eye on things, hopefully she's still alive and this is all a prank. - Dwayne was here!  ♫ 01:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Popping up on Google News, but just reports of reports, not what I'd call solid from last I saw. --Kbh3rdtalk 01:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

text: And from Huffington Post, usable as a secondary source since they point to two radio station announcements as primaries: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/26/lovergirl-singer-teena-marie-dead-report_n_801396.html?ref=tw --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 01:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they still haven't reported what caused her death, as it has been confirmed from what I know. I think were better off using the CNN report as a source, as FuriousFreddy mentioned it earlier. - Dwayne was here!  ♫ 02:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Always good to have backups, though... (Just remember where you left them, as a sysadmin kept telling me.) --Alan the Roving Ambassador (talk) 02:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death rumors 

message: "Untill her death" should be "until her death".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.138.227 (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Shouldn't Teena Marie's legal name be in the lead section, in line with Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Pseudonyms, stage names and common names? There are two options:
*Mary Christine Brockert (March 5, 1956 – December 26, 2010), better known by the stage name Teena Marie, was an American singer–songwriter–producer.
*Teena Marie (March 5, 1956 – December 26, 2010), born Mary Christine Brockert, was an American singer–songwriter–producer.
83.84.195.88 (talk) 14:00, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it should. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I used the first example, as the second would better apply to a person who legally changed their name. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal name in lead 

message: According to the Wikipedia listing for BARRY GORDY, the article under the heading "Motown Record Corporation" cites the following statement:
"Kiki Dee became the first white female British singer to be signed to the Motown label."
In addition the following white bands/artists were signed to Motown prior to Teena Marie:
Chris Clark - 1967 and 
Rare Earth - 1968
Please keep in mind that I am not trying to take anything away from this soulful singer, but I am just trying to clarify some things.  That fact that many don't even know who "Kiki Dee" is speaks volumes.....would'nt you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.20.2 (talk) 01:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teena Marie NOT first white artist signed to Motown 

message: I attended Venice High School with her and she was known as Tina Brockert not Mary or Marie. In the 1974 school yearbook, she's called Tina. The article should use this name instead.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: She was known as Tina

message: I thought this Teena Marie site was suppose to be as "encyclopedia-like" as possible. If so, then shouldn't Teena Marie be referred to by her last name(s) - Brockert (her actual last name) or Marie (her "stage name" last name) - instead of by her first name(s) (Mary, Tina and/or Teena)? If you disagree please let me know; if you agree then shouldn't we put the change in soon? Thank You. --Halls4521 (talk) 15:58, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure there's a definitive solution, as this case is somewhat of an anomaly. Her legal name throughout her life was "Mary Christine Brockert". She went by her middle name, and was known as "Tina". Her earliest television appearance was credited as "Tina Marie Brockert", and User Jeanne Boleyn was kind enough to document her personal knowledge that she was known as "Tina Brockert" in high school. In taking her stage name she basically dropped her last name, and changed the spelling of her chosen first name. I agree that precision is of the essence.  A case could be made for "Brockert", as it was indeed her name. A case could also be made for "Teena Marie", as this was the name by which she was known to the public. I don't have a strong preference for either. What I do oppose is using "Marie", as this gives the impression that it was her surname. "Teena Marie" is one name. Joefromrandb (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article should refer to her as Teena Marie rather than Brochert. It was her nome d'arte -  the name by which she was known to the public, same as Madonna. The latter is not referred to as Ciccone.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:04, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense to me. Any objections folks? Joefromrandb (talk) 18:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In 2 part stage names (as if it was her legal/birth name) it is encyclopedic to refer to her has Teena Marie, or just Marie in secondary or tertiary references.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 19:22, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What I am attempting to explain is that it is not a "2 part name". "Mary Christine Brockert" is a 3 part name. "Tina Marie Brockert" is a 2 part name. "Tina (or Teena) Marie" is a one part name. (talk) 19:49, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Her stage name was "Teena Marie". In articles such as this, she is sometimes referred to as Marie. We will do the same.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 19:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see, we are discussing this. While I couldn't be happier to have another user participating, announcing what "we will do" is not very conducive to discussion. The source that you have provided is not subject to the same stringinces in writing that an encyclopedia is. Nonetheless, thank you for your comments. Joefromrandb (talk) 20:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I've seen it done elswhere, I can't seem to figure out how to strike through a comment, which I was going to do here. That being the case, I'd like to note here that my comment above wasn't the friendliest thing I could have said, and I left a note of apology at I Help, When I Can's talk page. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Thank you for that comment, and I wish to reciprocate to you the respect you have shown me. I didn't mean to intone that these sources don't meet our standards, insofar as citing them as a reference. I meant that they are not subject to the same stringincies of precision and formality that an encyclopedia is. As several users have commented here, a third opinion, as I understand it, is not applicable. Do you think a request for comment would be helpful here? Joefromrandb (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Joefromrandb; I have no objections to any thing that would help nor with the final decision/vote we have. And also I agree with Jeanne Boleyn and you in that she be refer to in the article as Teena Marie (although Brockert could probably be used in referring to her life before the recording studio).--Halls4521 (talk) 22:03, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And thank you as well. I left a message at I Help, When I Can's talk page, and I'd like to hear their response before proceeding with any changes we might make. As strongly opposed as I am to using "Marie", this user seems to feel equally as strongly in favor of it. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonna pull out the text books and get the official Wikipedia policy on this one. I don't remember it, .  I Help, When I Can. [12] 22:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm truly not trying to be a wise ass here, but in all seriousness, as I understand things there is no "offical Wikipedia policy", but rather guidelines that are to be tempered with common sense, and subject to the occasional exception. As I said above, Teena Marie's case is somewhat of an anomaly. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:53, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually , there is. WP:LASTNAME states that if a person uses a pseudonym, they should be subsequently referred to by their pseudonymous surnames, if they are unambiguous. Teena Marie isn't that complicated. It shall be "Marie".  I Help, When I Can. [12] 23:45, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is true...."...unless they do not include a recognizable surname in the pseudonym (i.e. Madonna, Snoop Dogg, The Edge, Annette, Jackée, etc.), in which case the whole pseudonym is used." The issue is whether Marie is a "recognizable surname", or not (otherwise we should probably use Teena Marie). --Halls4521 (talk) 00:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is. It is used as such in several news stories over the years.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Who would it confuse? Doesn't confuse me. Doesn't confuse the readers of those other articles. That article (Rose Marie) not only brings up the "other stuff" arguement, but it has 3 sources, which attests to the article's quality. How would it be "blatantly inaccurate"? There are neither citations using her name as a whole tag nor stating that "Teena Marie" was a mononym. Yet, I have sources showing that Marie could be considered the last name in her stage name.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 19:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Those sources don't necessarily show that "Marie could be considered the last name in her stage name". The bottom line here is that it wasn't. I agree with Jeanne here, in that "Teena Marie" leaves no room for confusion. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:49, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In subsequent uses of her name, they use "Marie" like a last name. You also, like I said earlier, have no sources to the other, but this is the least of the articles problems, so I will drop this argument.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 01:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that we all appear to be on the same page, are there any objections to moving forward here, referring to her as "Teena Marie" from 1979 onward? Joefromrandb (talk) 21:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: None at all.--Halls4521 (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  (sort of) The article now notes that she was born "Mary Christine Brockert", and went by "Tina Marie Brockert". It then refers to her as "Brockert" up until 1979, from which point it refers to her as "Teena Marie". I should note that this article still needs a lot of work. Hopefully this is a start. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: To clarify (not to open up old wounds), I do not agree. I just think that the issues with this article are way beyond the name used and maybe we should go back to those issues before dealing with this one. The final decision can be made in review.  I Help, When I Can. [12] 02:32, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "This one" has now been settled. By all means, if you can improve this article, please do. If what you're saying is that you once again object to the agreed upon name, perhaps it would be better to adress that at one of the noticeboards. Joefromrandb (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referred by last name??? 

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