Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles/Archive 14

message: Recently, many "People from XYZ" have sprung up, where XYZ is a city name.  Since city names can be common, I think we need to standardize that these should be "People from XYZ, ABC" just like the city articles are named.  Commmon usage (where Tokyo, Osaka, and other registered cities are excepted) can also be excepted here.  For a (possibly incomplete) list of current offenders, see :Category:People by city in Japan.  I also want to execute an educational campaign of sorts, to enforce the idea that people shouldn't be listed by both the prefecture and the city, if the city cat exists; but, that is not a Japan MoS issue.   Comments (on the naming proposal)? Neier 12:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously, those category names need to be fixed.  We already have a rule for cities, in WP:MOS-JA#Place names, and we should enforce it.--Endroit 19:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cities in categories 

message: Please note that the Place names rule itself needs to be updated, as follows:
#Hokkaidō needs to be fixed.  Either the article gets revised and/or renamed to Hokkaidō Prefecture, or we need to change the prefectures section of the Place names rule, to make exceptions for Tokyo & Hokkaidō.
#We need a separate section for designated cities (Osaka, Yokohama, Nagoya, etc.).  We've discussed it before.  Please see my separate proposal for "Designated cities" right below.
--Endroit 19:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be at Hokkaidō Prefecture because it is not about the main island. We should also create a stub page for the island. The argument that we would be calling it "Hokkai Prefecture Prefecture" is weak, because we already ignore the difference between -ken and -fu, and Hokkaidō is a special case. In a worst-case scenario it should still be at Hokkaidō (prefecture). Dekimasu 04:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hokkaidō Prefecture, Hokkaidō region, and Hokkaido Island all redirect to Hokkaidō now.  We also know that the current article name is in conflict with the Place names rule of WP:MOS-JA.  If nobody objects to what Dekimasu just said, I think we should go ahead and implement his suggestions.--Endroit 18:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hokkaidō]] 

message: I'm sure this has been touched on before, but I was sometime ago reverted for changing an article of Empress Genmei to conform to the suggestion layed down here as regards romanization of ん as m - such people do not have "official romanizations", and Google searches are inherently flawed. Could this not be fixed to at least be more clear? elvenscout742 13:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Books gives 64 hits for "Genmei" and 66 for "Gemmei", so it's a toss-up either way, IMHO.  ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:01, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think that you were incorrect to follow the suggestion. Dekimasu 05:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperors? 

message: Please vote above in the Ryukyu vs. Ryūkyū section, to resolve inconsistencies within WP:MOS-JA.  The following 2 polls are now ongoing:
# Poll: "Ogasawara Islands" instead of "Bonin Islands"
# Poll: "Ryūkyū" instead of "Ryukyu"
Polls end Dec. 13.  There's only a few days left, so please hurry.--Endroit 18:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of polls:  Ryūkyū/Ryukyu & Ogasawara Islands/Bonin Islands 

message: There is a lot of limited express services which have unique names such as . Can you decide the name of articles on these services? --Izumi5 12:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody answered and I decided to attach (Limited Service) to the name of service. --Izumi5 10:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Izumi5, You might be interested in List of named passenger trains#Trains in Japan to see examples of existing articles. Fg2 01:59, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Izumi5 10:23, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About limited express services... 

message: I thought we discussed this earlier, but, the current MoS doesn't mention it.  Is there any rationale for lists of prefectures in the English Wikipedia to maintain the Hokkaidō->Okinawa ordering?  Or, even when split up into regions, why don't we list them in abc order?  In the Regions of Japan or Prefectures of Japan articles, it seems acceptable to list them in geographic order because of the added context, but, in other places like List of city nicknames in Japan it may cause some confusion to anyone not already familiar with Japanese geography.  Any thoughts?Neier 01:04, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. Fine for anyone who knows what's going on, but still the worst organization format I've seen here since List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number. I think it should always be alphabetical - or at the very least, alphabetical any time another organizational format isn't described explicitly. Dekimasu 14:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think, unless there is a reason for listing them by geography (usually north to south), that listing them alphabetically according to romanization meets the requirements of WP:MOS-JA, which states, "Lists of romanized words in the English Wikipedia should be ordered in alphabetical order, A-Z, instead of the common Japanese ordering system which is based on the kana characters." While it doesn't specifically mention geographic order, I believe the spirit of the guideline indicates that, unless there is a good reason for it, any list should be in alphabetical order. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:13, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of prefectures