Talk:Greg Maddux

message: I changed the line "some consider him one of the greatest pitchers in major league baseball, but some consider him to be highly overrated" back to "generally thought as being one of the greatest pitchers in the history of Major League Baseball" because there are very few people who consider him overrated, especially from achieving 300 wins all in an era of a 5 man rotation staff and increased relieve pitching.04:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, whoever editted the stats section needs to get their facts right. Even if Roger Clemens was still pitching, Greg Maddux would have a lower career ERA. And besides, Pedro Martinez has a lower career ERA than both of them. And John Franco is a relief pitcher. Many relief pitchers have a lower ERA than 3.00, so comparing starting pitchers and relief pitchers is not significant.--ScipioAfricans 02:01, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmmm, I am Greg Maddux's biggest fan.  I have closely followed just about every game he has pitched since 1990.  Given the fact that he pitched during an offensive era and still had a historically low era and whip, 4 Cy Youngs, and 300 + wins in a 5 man rotation, I believe he is one of the 5 to 7 greatest pitchers of all time.  But to compare his ERA to Clemens and say it is better is unfair.  Clemens pitched a large percentage of his career in the American leage with the DH.  This means two things.  His ERA will be higher.  At the same time though, it gives Clemens a better chance to pick up wins {with no pitching switch needed for a pinch hitter}. {Michael}
I'd like to contribute to this page.  I agree that we cannot compare ERA's of relief pitchers' and starting pitchers.  I have a different question: I remember watching Maddux's first game pitched in the ML.  He threw a complete game, but lost.  I cannot remember who he faced (or any other detail, other than it was late in the seaons and he was called up from AAA Iowa).  Does anyone have any info on this (I am currently searching).  Em-jay-es 06:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I looked up the box scores for 1986, and Maddux's first pitching appearance was on September 2nd.  He gave up one run on one hit, getting the loss in the 18th inning. box score  His first major league start was on September 7 where he pitched a complete game and picked up the win.  box score. Petedoane 05:08, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted Edit 

message: I removed the part of the "Statistics" section that referred to Maddux's 2006 stats. Aside from that section not being updated in a month, it would have to be updated after every start to remain accurate. In addition, the content is not particularly encyclopedic- knowing what Maddux's season ERA as of some date ix X.XX means nothing five days later. -- Kicking222 20:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Statistics

message: A baseball traditionalist, Maddux insists that the Cubs wear their white home jersey on the days that he is their starting pitcher.
And yet the pic shows him wearing blue? Tromboneguy0186 15:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Um... 

message: does anyone have any numbers on how many starts Maddux has missed in his career? Kingturtle 14:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know of anywhere that keeps track of missed starts.  Though from looking at his stats I would say he has probably never missed a start.  At most, he could have only missed a handful.  Since 1988 (his third season in the majors) he has started at least 33 games (except the shortented seasons of 1994 and 1995) and pitched at least 200 innings (expect 2002 when he pitched 199 1/3 innings). Petedoane 23:02, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not entirely sure. Can only be 1 or 2 since he has been on the disabled list only once in his career, and I assume it's of the 15 day variety.--ScipioAfricans 09:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  starts missed? 

message: I removed the no reference tag in the team tenure section.  None of the statistics list their references either.  The tenures listed are accurate and can be easily checked through three of the external links. Petedoane 18:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Reference Tag 

message: The section called "The Braves Years" has one paragraph dealing with Maddux's time with the Braves, and four paragraphs that have nothing to do with the Braves at all. Any objections to just eliminating the heading and moving the info to the Teams or Accomplishments sections as appropriate? Mrquizzical 06:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Braves Years 

message: Where could we find a place to mention his nicknames "Mad Dog" and "The Professor"? 216.246.231.112 13:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somone already put it in his Trivia or Personal life section. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   15:21, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're also missing "Clark Kent" and "Superman" that he used to get, because of his resemblance to Clark Kent with the glasses in the dugout, and Superman when he was on the mound without them.2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:B945:7212:117E:313D (talk) 22:15, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: For note, Until either SD, LA, or the MLB releases an official statement that confirms the trade went through, this article is best left stating Maddux is still with the Padres. Please see WP:Crystal Ball for further reference.  --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   02:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, see WP:VERIFY for why this article should say he's a Dodger. There is no requirement for an official statement when it can be sources from reputable news sources.►Chris NelsonHolla! 02:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget official statement - team even said after the LA Times report that no trade has been made.  "According to ESPN.com's Jayson Stark, no deal has been reached, but conversations are ongoing. Dodgers spokesman Josh Rawitch and general manager Ned Colletti would not confirm the deal to the Times either." This does not fall within WP:VERIFY when the team denies it.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:50, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: And from the latest LA Times report that is the only source of this rumor: "Dodger spokesman Josh Rawitch and General Manager Ned Colletti said no deal was in place, and declined to say whether the club was even in discussions about Maddux. Major League Baseball forbids club officials from discussing possible trades involving players who have been placed on waivers."  JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Well if there's a denial from the team, then yes, it shouldn't be added here. I was only arguing that the absence of a confirmation isn't enough, not a denial. A denial obviously voids the news report, but the absence of an official confirmation would not.►Chris NelsonHolla! 02:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Last year mlb.com and some news sources reported that the White Sox had released Scott Podsednik, and the Cubs had claimed him off waivers. Minutes after reading the story I started to watch the Sox play on TV, and saw Podsednik playing left field. I do not think either team denied the claim, Andrew Seligman, who had reported the story for AP, probably made a mistake or something. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   03:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That does not mean edits should not have been made at the time. If it was reported as fact by reliable sources that Podsednik was a Cub, then it was verifiable and should have been added to the encyclopedia accordingly. Whether or not it turned out to be true is irrelevant. That violates no policy, including WP:CRYSTAL.►Chris NelsonHolla! 04:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By your logic any rumor reported by a legit source is grounds for an update.  That's where you are obviously wrong and confirmation is needed. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 04:26, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually I agree with Chris to that extent. Even if it does not pan out, it's still worth mentioning per WP:NNC as long as its appropriate and correct. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   05:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Posednik/Cubs deal was different. The Cubs did claim him off waivers, as reported, but the Sox had the right to (and exercised the right to) pull him back off waivers. So the news reports were correct, and it should have been noted on his page. MLB.com is reporting the trade is all but done, and asking players for both teams for their reaction to the trade; It's highly unlikely that it won't be a done deal.Barryap (talk) 17:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LA Trade

message: ::Greg Maddux has yet to retire, he's expected to in a couple days. Until things are fact, I'd say you wiki's shouldnt state almost certain speculation as fact. So I changed it, but someone will be anal, and change it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.1.153 (talk) 02:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not speculation... Scott Boras confirmed that Maddux will announce his retirement on Monday. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Retirement

message: Maddux last MLB appearance should be listed as October 15, 2008. It was the NLCS game against the Phillies. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20081015&content_id=3623499&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home Hunnydaisy (talk) 00:13, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Last MLB appearance

message: I'm kind of surprised not to see a reference to these commercials with Glavine, featuring Maddux's immortal tag line.  At the time, it was referenced incessantly by the media and fans.  Even now, sportswriters still sometimes use a "chicks dig the long ball" reference when discussing the steroid controversy.  Would anybody consider adding this?BeRose (talk) 16:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicks dig the long ball 

message: I think the "Talent and accomplishments section" lacks focus and really has several parts to it that don't necessarily mix.
1. At the beginning it talk about the stories of his 'preternatural abilities' and being perceived as a super intelligent pitcher. I like this part but I think it should be in a different section. Either the pitching style section or a legacy/mythology (or something along those lines) section that could be added somewhere around there. There are several more stories that I think are pretty interesting/valuable that could be added. What do people think of this?
2. The two paragraphs with Koufax, Gibson, and Seaver don't seem to be applicable at all in that section. I'm inclined just to remove them (maybe leave the "People think I'm smart" quote with the mythology). Thoughts?
3. The rest of this section actually seem to fit the "Talent and Accomplishments" billing. This should be the entire section I think.
I didn't want to make this moves without getting feedback first but if there are no responses or objections I'll probably just make the changes in a week or so.  TommyALong (talk) 15:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization and mythos of Maddux 

message: Seems like a table that shows wins, losses, ERA, errors, etc. season by season would be very good and helpful content.  TCO (talk) 17:07, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  season by season table? 

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