Talk:Girl group

message: What is the difference between a girl group and a girl band?? (This question was brought to my mind when I saw Zanimum's recent edit to Crystal (disambiguation). 66.32.247.47 23:36, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology (Girl group vs. Girl band) 

message: Yeah, I know'rit's a japanese band consistin' only of chicks in Kill Bill 1,
but, hey...What's their EXACT name? I'm unsure, so I betted a wild-card at 5-6-7-8's.
Anyone more..."renemberable", than me? With better memory, i.e.?--OleMurder 23:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 5.6.7.8's. - dcljr (talk) 04:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of that band in Kill Bill: Volume I? 

message: the article is kind of a mess.  Things that would help:
A discussion of the relationship between girl groups and the Philly Soul sound of the 70s.
A streamlining of the discussion of 80s and 90s girl groups, and an effort to put it in some kind of context.  Just listing groups that happened to be girl groups is not a helpful way to organize the article.
I'll try to get to these some day, but it'll take a while. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NoahB (talk • contribs) 15:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, in the absence of any clear explanation of why the neutrality is disputed, I am going to remove the tag.  Please don't put it back unless you are able to explain exactly what your objections are.  (Personally, I think there are problems with the article, but I don't agree that neutrality is one of them; but I am of course open to discussion on the matter.)  NoahB 15:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things to Do 

message: The person(s) who wrote this article are obviously very young, and did not do their homework, either.
The term "girl groups" is used to describe the girl groups of the early to mid-1960s, such as The Shirelles, The Chiffons, Martha and The Vandellas, The Supremes, The Jaynetts, The Marvelettes, The Shangri-Las, The Orlons, The Angels, The Crystals, The Ronettes, The Murmaids, The Toys, The Dixie Cups and  others. Some of these groups have been described in the article in brief, but they deserve MUCH more mention. Most of the article devotes itself to the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. This article is completely wrong, in other words, and is misleading to anyone who is reading it. 
We are not talking about groups in the '40s, '50s, '70s, '80s, '90s, or after. The "Girl Group Era" is over, and it took place in the early to mid-1960s. Slater79 00:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me, but I don't see much of a genre there if you group up Ronettes and Destiny's Child in there. It needs a rewrite. --186.85.72.77 (talk) 09:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The Term "Girl Groups"

message: TLC
</br>Ooooooohhh.... On the TLC Tip: 6 million
</br>CrazySexyCool: 15 million http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/01/10050737.html
</br>FanMail: 10 million 
</br>3D: 2 million 
</br>Now and Forever, The Hits: 1 million 
</br>Singles: 11 million
</br>Total: 45 Million
Destiny's Child
</br>Destiny's Child: 2 million copies 
</br>The Writing's on the Wall: 13 million http://www.ticketnest.com/concert-tickets/Beyonce/index.php
</br>Survivor: 10 million 
</br>8 Days of Christmas: 1 million 
</br>This Is The Remix: 500,000 copies
</br>Destiny Fulfilled: 6 million  
</br>#1's: 3.5 million  
</br>Singles: 16 million
</br>Total: 100 million???? impossible..
Spice Girls
</br>Spice: 23 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251176.stm
</br>Spiceworld: 11 million 
</br>Forever: 3 million 
</br>Singles: 18.2 million
</br>Greatest Hits (not included in the total): 1.7 million
</br>Total: 55 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6246448.stm  
</br>—Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.236.62 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Real Sales of Best-Selling Female Groups

message: It doesn't seem right.
Destiny's Child:
</br>Destiny's Child: 2 million copies worldwide
</br>The Writing's on the Wall: 13 million worldwide 
</br>Survivor: 10 million copies worldwide
</br>8 Days of Christmas: 500,000 copies 
</br>This Is The Remix: 500,000 copies
</br>Destiny Fulfilled: 7 million copies worldwide
</br>#1's: 3 million copies worldwide
</br>36 million
Spice Girls:
</br>Spice: 23 million worldwide
</br>Spiceworld: 15 million worldwide
</br>Forever: 1.4  million worldwide
</br>39.4 million
How does DC3 have 100 million? That is a hoax!!! I think solo sales SHOULD NOT count (cough*Beyonce*cough).
Seriously Destiny's Child have NOT sold 100 million thats just crap. Spice Girls are the biggest selling female group. Not to mention the fact that they did it with less albums...
74.95.5.130 21:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the 2000 Brit awards, it stated that Spice Girls had sold 35.2 million albums. Therefore 39m is clearly inflated. As for the Destiny's Child 100 million, again, not possible. Music World Entertainment (their label) is reported to have sales of 100 million  which is inclusive of Destiny's Child. Their 2007 report also specified that Destiny's Child was their biggest group wth sales of 60 million. Hence the reference was changed to this. Overall, from the current verifiable references, Spice Girls are not the biggest selling girl group. So please stop fictionalising the sales figures and go as per references. Maggott2000 03:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Best-Selling Groups??

message: FIRST of all Destiny's Child has sold over 100 million records and when you are talking about sale they are not only talking about album sales that also is single sales you can go to KellyRowlandonline.com and it will be in front of your face and that web site  that was made by Columbia Records and think they would know how many they sold and on top of that the World yes the World Music Awards would've not gave them award for being the The BEST SELLING FEMALE GROUP OF ALL TIME and that award show is base on records sales and for the record The Spice Girls FIRST album did not sale 23 million because the biggest selling album by a female group is TLC's Crazy,Sexy,Cool that sold 15 million copies worldwide and next in line is Destiny's Child album The Writing's on the wall which sold over 11 million worldwide. Spice girls last album did not even sale thats why they broke up hello there time was done.....i understand that you'll like the spice girls,but Destiny's Child  are No.1 i mean every time one of them come on and t.v show they  say she is 1/3of the bestselling female group of all time no matter if its Kelly,Michelle,or Beyonc'e  I mean it was on VH1 when they did the girl group thing when the Dreamgirls movie was coming out they said it then the biggest selling female group Destiny's Child, and one more thing Destiny's Child left on top something NO GROUP HAS DONE!!!!!!!
Edit: They say that Nana Moskouri has sold over 300 million! HOAX!! So don't listen to Colombia, Universal etc. They make hoax everytime, and TV show say the same stupid things.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 90.10.238.39 (talk) 14:15:27, August 19, 2007 (UTC) 
Edit: The Spice Girls FIRST album if sold 23 million copies and is the best-selling albums in history by a female group http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251176.stm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.236.62 (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DESTINY'S CHILD NO.1 

message: First of all, when you talk about sales, you don't count singles, or you say "total" with "X" single sales.
Somebody has erased the details so I'll give you a link to see that they didn't sold 100 million. 
100 million = More than David Bowie, Prince, the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, Sting, Bob Marley, Genesis, Dyla, Mc Cartney etc come on! It's a hoax made by Columbia!
Here you are, click on The spice girls and watch carefully, then on Destiny's child :
http://www.chartsinfrance.net/communaute/index.php?s=49309e465b998e634969362f20ceb1b6&showtopic=6523&st=0&start=0
Read and search for information before doing the fanboy/girl.
: This can be done two ways, both being correct. The media reports the artist has sold xxx records, this is generally inclusive of albums and singles. Or they will report xxx albums, and xxx singles. So when talking sales, you 'can' be talking combined albums and singles Maggott2000 03:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales 

message: If the Bangles and the Go Go's are listed, why not The Runaways as well?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheilamarie (talk • contribs) 23:36, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Runaways 

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thread_title:  External Links 

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message: The article contradicts itself,
"In the UK, Sugababes formed in 1998, and have been named the most successful all-female act of the 21st century in the UK. They have achieved 7 #1 singles and sales of more than 5 million albums in the UK alone."
"However, in the UK, Popstars: the Rivals, Girls Aloud was formed in late 2002 and is still recording and performing together as a group to this day to widespread acclaim and success they are the only girlband to have 20 consecutive top 10 hits including 4 number ones, they are the decade's most successful girl group in the UK, selling over 5 million in 6 years."
Is there a difference between the terms 'all-female act' and 'girl group' ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by I teh yuh (talk • contribs) 16:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sugababes vs Girls Aloud 

message: The article has been tagged for needing sources for content since 2007. I have gone through and removed the WP:OR / WP:V content. Active Banana  (bananaphone 15:35, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: with over 15000 potential sources , it should be realitively easy to build an article that meets the content requirements. Active Banana  (bananaphone 15:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  mass removal of [[WP:OR|original research]]  [[WP:V|unsourced content]] 

message: The 2000s section had a massive, 5-paragraph detailed description of the entire career, membership, singles and albums of the Pussycat Dolls. Basically, there was about five times more information on them than almost any other group, including the entire short little 1970's section! It had to be cut down, which I did. 
On the other hand, the article completely ignored far more successful girl groups such as Wilson Philips, Destiny's Child and TLC!! Therefore, they were added into the 1980's-1990s section. 
--Mezaco (talk) 23:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pussycat Dolls section amended

message: Why no mention of the Go-Gos? Or for that matter the Lennon Sisters?99.2.69.235 (talk) 10:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milestone groups not cited 

message: WHERE DID PUSSYCAT DOLLS GO??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by XHugoTheNerd (talk • contribs) 00:38, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It went where it's supposed to go: gone. the pussycat Dolls were not some revolutionary group that changed the face of girl groups forever. At best they deserve an single line, and they certainly don't deserve a whole paragraph detailed every member change while pretending they were the best thing since sliced bread. DragonFury (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  wtf 

message: At the History section it says, quote: "During the Music Hall/Vaudeville era, all-girl singing groups were mainly novelty acts singing nonsense songs in silly voices." - non-sense? silly voices!?. Masterpeace3 (talk) 00:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this for real? 

message: So while working on this article, I noticed a tendency to try to prove a certain group has been incredibly successful in sales and performances and longevity.  I understand why this might be important in establishing notability for inclusion on the page, but it doesn't make this particularly informative article in regards to how girl groups came about and have since evolved.  There is a greater context http://www.oxfordmusiconline.com/public/page/womentimeline to the inclusion of women and girls in groups for musical performances and record sale numbers only gets us part of the way through in explaining that.  I am asking for some help with re-writes on the 1990-present section to talk about the significance of having a series of mega-groups.  I welcome anyone who would like to provide some input on the importance of Spice Girls' Girl Power mantra or the significance of having Girls Generation be some of the most influential figures in East Asia.  Also, I've been trying to articulate the well-documented practices of girl groups singing songs penned by other people (often men or husband-wife duos).
After some thought, I am going to shift the Dance Pop era to 1994 to present, with the distinction being between self-formed groups and groups created through open auditions by professional manager and labels without initial input from members.  Amiaheroyet (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing tones away from sales/success 

message: Are there any reliable sources that actually define the term "girl group" beyond the phenomenon exemplified by groups like the Ronettes and the Andrews Sisters? I have no trouble seeing clear references to the 50s and 60s, but after that it seems to be rather hazy.
Peter Isotalo 12:56, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, here's one.--Cattus talk 20:38, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Girl groups beyond the 1960s 

message: so have perhaps an outdated notion of what this term, "Girl Group" might mean today but the current opening of the article is unacceptable.  However before I start slash and burning it I want to give you a chance to step in and say or do something.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm assuming you have a problem with the term "harmonize"? Would you prefer "sing together"?--Krystaleen 01:57, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Be careful of making assumptions.  i objected to some stuff about KARA that was almost immediately removed by an editor faster than I was at figuring out that it was some trash.  Us old guys understand harmonizing.  Though I do wonder when the term "girl groups" was first applied to the Andrews Sisters.  In my collection at home they are NOT in the "girl group" section. Carptrash (talk) 04:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am an old guy 

message: Why does the intro say: "with eight groups debuting after 1990 having sold more than 15 million physical copies of their albums." 
But which 8 groups have done that? Spice Girls, TLC, Destiny's Child, SWV(?), En Vogue (maybe?)....and? The modern groups don't seem to sell much physical copies, most of their sales comes from digital/streams. Does anyone know who all 8 groups are? Otherwise I'll change the sentence to something more vague/broad. Bennv3771 (talk) 05:52, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which girl groups have sold >15million physical copies of their albums from 90s onwards? 

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message: Could someone please explain why this article has a music genre infobox? Girl groups are not a distinct music style, much less their own genre. The term, as I understand it, can refer to any act consisting entirely of female singers or vocalists. Although commonly associated with certain number of them, girl groups can perform any of a wide variety of genres (the article itself acknowledges this); they are not a music genre in their own right. Using a music genre infobox creates unintended implications: the light blue banner, intended solely for pop genres, would seem to indicate that every single girl group fits within the category of pop music (not to be confused with popular music), which of course is not true. Girl groups are such a broad category that it is dishonest to feature fields such as "typical instruments"—of the ones listed, which are actually utilized by most girl groups? It is likely only "vocals", and if it were trimmed to just that, the infobox would fail to convey anything about instruments that is not also true of virtually every non-instrumental music genre. Listing over twenty stylistic origins from more than eighty years demonstrates—when taken at face value—that there is nothing concrete about this supposed genre and that it has no consistent characteristics. It is evident to me, however, that this is actually a laundry list of every style that girl groups have been known to perform—this is not a problem when the template is used for actual genres. Ultimately, the main issue here is that a template intended to be used for distinct styles of music has been placed atop an article for an extremely broad range of acts that, in any given example, could be associated with many different genres. Girl groups can adopt different music styles; they are not themselves a music style, and there is no infobox that, music-wise, could ever meaningfully represent acts as disparate as the Andrews Sisters, Sister Sledge, and Morning Musume. It is for these reasons that I would opt to have the infobox removed. LifeofTau 18:46, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: After more than 45 days with no objections, I have decided to boldly go forward with the removal of the infobox. I am more than happy to discuss the matter here with anyone who feels differently. LifeofTau 05:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox