Talk:Cantons of Switzerland

message: I suggest we use the following spellings:
: Appenzell Innerrhoden, Appenzell Ausserrhoden, Aargau, Basel Stadt, Basel Landschaft, Bern, Fribourg, Geneva, Glarus, Graubünden, Jura, Lucerne, Neuchâtel, Nidwalden, Obwalden, Schaffhausen, Schwyz, Solothurn, St. Gallen, Thurgau, Ticino, Uri, Valais, Vaud, Zug, Zürich
See Talk:Switzerland for more. Kokiri 18:38, 11 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Spellings

message: There is a mild error in the number of Swiss cantons. There are 23 of them, not 26. The error is due to the half cantons which were counted as full ones. 
Basel-Stadt and Basel-Land are two half cantons forming the canton of Basel.
Appenzell Innerrhoden and Ausserrhoden are two half cantons building the Appenzell.
Nidwalden and Obwalden are two half cantons forming Unterwald. 
This has a political signification, since each canton sends two deputies to the States' Council. While each half canton has the right to send one deputy, not two. -- 83.228.183.253
:The different ways to count are explained further down in the article. -- User:Docu
Sorry, whatever way you want to count and explain: Basel is a global denomination without political meaning, just as Appenzel and Unterwald. In fact, Switzerland has effectively 26 full fledged cantons. The notion of half canton reflects only in the deputation to the Swiss "Senate", the "Ständerat*,  where the so called "half cantons" have only one deputy. Otherwise politically and officially, there are no half cantons. Half cantons count as a full canton, as each one has their own government, organisation and legal power. Each one elects and sends profortionally their own representatives in our Congress (Nationalrat). Please review your knowledge of Switzerland political organislation.. Beware of that, e.g. AI is basically catholic, AR, basically protestant. Don't revise the results of the Swiss civil war! For the others, there are also historic reasons for their split. Best regards. I do not mind merging both articles into one, as long as the facts and reasons explained in the "half canton" article remain. In conclusion, Switzerland has effectively 26 cantons and not 23!
claude (talk) 23:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of Swiss cantons 

message: Most of the data in the table is 5 years old or more, and should probably be updated. For example, the number of municipalities in the canton of Fribourg is now 162, down from 242 ! However, this need to be a concerted work, but since we just started a new year, I would propose that we should try to update all the data as of 1 January 2006. I know 2000 was the year of the last census, but most of the information should be available for the end of 2005 too. Schutz 23:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully putting the query here - Template talk:Swiss populations - will bring it to the attention of the gnomes who work on this sort of thing!! Sumorsǣte (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Update the data ?

message: Needless to say, it makes perfect sense having the names of all the cantons in the four languages of Switzerland and in English on the English Wikipedia. Having said that, I fail to see how  the names of the Swiss cantons in Spanish and Esperanto are relevant. I suggest they be removed from the article. JdeJ 08:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed Spanish and Esperanto from the list of canton names while keeping the five other languages. Apart from English, the four other languages are all official languages of Switzerland and of at least one Swiss canton. Neither Spanish nor Esperanto has got any official position in Switzerland, neither of them is widely spoken in the country and neither has any relevance to this article. I can see no reason why the names of cantons in these two languages were added. JdeJ 10:08, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish and Esperanto 

message: The lower map image should be changed, as both the key and description in the image are in German. This is an English page, so untranslated descriptions in German as part of the article are totally unnaceptable. 90.192.145.153 (talk) 13:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: In December 2015, User:ZH8000 inserted "lieu" as an English alternative for "canton".
This was done without any explanatory edit summary, and without citing even an obscure reference that might have used this word.
Why would you do something like this? It clearly deteriorates article quality if you leave the same footnotes in place but change the things the footnote is attached to, ending up with "references" that do no longer actually support the article content. 
The fact of the matter is that the historical German term is Ort (early 15th century), joined by the more "political" Stand in the 16th. The French term was canton from about 1490, used in English from about 1610.
Lieu seems to be an attempt at a French translation of Ort. Although, of course, canton is *already* the historical attempt to translate Ort, so lieu can only be seen as an attempt to explain the German word to contemporary French speakers. 
But, I have to add, translating "Ort" as "lieu" is based on a misunderstanding of the 15th-century German term informed by contemporary German; the "correct" translation of the historical term is "canton".
Why would you conclude from this situation that "lieu" is a proper replacement for "canton" in English?? There is no good translation for "Ort" in English (except for the obscure equivalent ord). It means "location, place, spot, corner, point, gore". 
--dab (𒁳) 09:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "Lieus"

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message: As far as I know we always say "Swiss Confederation" in English - "Confederacy" is only used for the southern states of the USA that tried to secede. "Confederacy" is used no fewer than 11 times in this text.46.183.103.8 (talk) 17:52, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also used for the Old Swiss Confederacy (versus the modern Swiss Confederation). Actually English makes more of a distinction here than French, German, or Italian, where the same word is used for both the old and new type ("confédération", "Eidgenossenschaft", "confederazione", see the Federal Archives on the Old Confederacy e.g.. You can click on all four languages). Anyway, thanks for pointing it out, but the article uses "Confederacy" correctly in every instance I checked. ---Sluzzelin talk 18:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Swiss Confederacy"? 

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message: The map in the infobox is next to useless, since the cantons are not named on it. Is it too much to hope for a map of the cantons that actually shows their names? --Viennese Waltz 12:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: (See also  (Regions of France) and  (States of Germany) --Tomchen1989 (talk) 18:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: For future concerns the designated editor is referred to the official English style guide by the Swiss Federal Administration.
It says on page 17:
*"Write ‘the canton of’ (lower case c) when referring to the geopolitical area."
:Examples: "I live in the canton of Neuchâtel. The canton of Bern is Switzerland’s sec- ond largest.
*"However, use a capital C for Canton when referring to the government of that canton."
:Examples: "The Canton of Basel approved the new legislation."
I think this is a reasonable and usable distinction. -- ZH8000 (talk) 12:27, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems sensible. As you'd expect from the Confederation. Sumorsǣte (talk) 19:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lower case 'c' or upper case 'C' in canton? 

message: It should be calculated automatically from the other columns.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abacus1997 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated to calculate the density instead of having a static number.Tobyc75 (talk) 11:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The population density column is wrong (see e.g. Zurich or the whole of Switzerland, it is inconsistent with the pop / area data)