Talk:Anastrophe

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dicdef—Rory ☺ 14:52, Aug 21, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete & send to wiktionary. Geogre 15:14, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

message: Calling this "common in Latin", a language that does not actually have a well-defined word order, is highly dubious. There is, after all, a reason why there is no synonym in Latin for the Greek word "anastrophe" ('to turn it back'). The reason is that the concept did not exist in Latin grammar. --70.131.90.151 (talk) 08:21, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: W. Hübner discusses Latin anastrophe in Manilius' Astronomica (the Dodecatropos) in "Anastrophe in Manil. 2.953" The Classical Quarterly New Series, 51.1, (2001:313-314) where I see (p. 31) the useful suggestion, "On anastrophe, see M. Leumann, J.B. Hoffmann, and A. Szantyr, Lateinische Syntax und Stilistik (Munich) 1965, 2, 215-216." "In poetry," Hübner says, "it occurs as early as Ennius." Not that I would know myself one way or the other. --Wetman (talk) 19:50, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Classical Greek is in this respect just like Latin.  And yet there is a Greek term.  I don't know why there is no Latin term (or rather, I don't know if that claim is true, or if it is, whether it matters).   But I consider the example dubious for other reasons: in Latin and Greek poetry, word order is routinely different than in prose, metri causa ("on account of the meter").  The opening line of the Aeneid quoted in the article could hardly use the normal word order, given that it is constrained by the rules of the hexameter.  So if the article wants to give examples from Latin or Greek prose, that would be fine, but I can't see using poetry examples as applicable. Paul Koning (talk) 18:42, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

text: I was about to make the same complaint: Yoda is, in all likelihood, a non-native speaker or a speaker of a deviating dialect---not someone who deliberately tries to reach a certain effect. (However, it could conceivably be argued that whoever wrote his dialogue is using anastrophe.)188.100.197.146 (talk) 14:08, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be very surprised to find reliable sources calling Yoda's speaking style anastrophe. My instinct was actually to remove that and the Banjo-Kazooie examples as marginal, but it appears that other editors have removed the Yoda-speak in the past only to have it re-inserted. I've marked the assertion that this is anastrophe as dubious. Cnilep (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and removed both sections. If reliable sources call this anastrophe, by all means add them. Cnilep (talk) 12:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claim 

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