Talk:Breakbeat

message: I think we need a discussion on whether HIP HOP should be included in the breakbeat section, or AT LEAST in the electronic music section.  Hip hop, to be hip hop has to be electronic. It also makes use of breakbeats. Any arguments like it has rappers/vocalists in it or doesnt always use breakbeats can also be made for drum'n'bass.....
86.135.8.247 11:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hip hop's relation

message: Chemical breaks should be replaced by Big Beat (or left out altogether) - see Talk:Chemical breaks. regards, High on a tree 01:36, 14 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Chemical breaks

message: Removed the following piece from the main article.  Since it claims to be from a "modest magazine", it may be a copyright violation, although a preliminary Google search didn't find the source online.  If the contributor to Wikipedia actually wrote the original article and/or the original author is submitting it under the GFDL, please indicate so here on this Talk page, together with some way for us to authenticate they are the author in question or that the author has permitted it's use under the GFDL.
If the contribution is GFDL, it still needs a lot of work to become encyclopedic, it currently reads like a magazine opinion piece, in particular attention to our policy of neutral point of view.  The first paragraph, in particular is completely out of place in an encyclopedia.  Secondly it needs to have links to other articles.  I will do this if I have time, but it would help out if the original submitter (or somebody else) could work on it before restoring it to the main text.  Thanks. --Lexor|Talk 14:44, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: "Fever in da' Bronx"

message: I believe there should be some of the more popular breakbeat artists mentioned here, most other musical genre pages list artists and I believe someone visiting this page would expect such a thing.
Comments?
--195.92.168.163 15:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is correct. Hardcore (or breakbeat hardcore) was around in the early-1990s. I'd also watch calling breakbeat hardcore as "AKA rave music" on this article. It is only one component of "rave music" along with the vocal rave and Euro techno. Also, not everyone in the UK was calling breakbeat hardcore as "rave music" either. Such music was more connected with the south UK. --Revolt 08:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of breakbeat artists? 

message: I found the discussion very helpful, when compared to the initial Wiki on "Breakbeat". For readers who want basic information and less use of unfamiliar terminology, I offer this information on what a breakbeat actually is from a musical and historical standpoint. I agree with the idea of a 1974 explosion of breakbeat dancing, but musically the "breakbeat" goes back even further. The musical fiber of a breakbeat comes down to snare emphasis and overall tempo. A breatbeat is essentially a basic "rock 'n roll" beat played at a dance tempo. Over 95% of all breakbeats emphasize the snare on 2 and 4, using a 4/4 time signature. Just like many rock beats, the kick pattern usually remains fairly simple, sometimes introducing some syncopation. Historically, if one can track when drummers began slamming the snare on 2 and 4 at faster tempos, one can identify when the breakbeat was musically invented. This all happened when jazz drummers were told to perform with less "shuffle", to compliment the emerging new rock 'n roll genre. Early Chuck Berry records help illustrate the transition between jazz and rock. If you want to find the breakbeat room at your local club, just listen for the big fat snare beats on 2 and 4!
:Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 23:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakbeat basics! 

message: Having worked in dance music a few years back when breakbeat really started to take off, I would suggest that breaks and breakbeat have different origins - breaks coming out of the hip hop scene as described in the article whereas breakbeat came directly out of drum'n'bass, because it used a 'broken' beat (i.e. not the standard dance music 4/4 beat) but could be differentiated from drum'n'bass due to the lack of heavy bass elements common in d'n'b. I suggest a complete rewrite of this entry to reflect this.
SupernautRemix 17:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because people leave pointless comments like this instead of contributing.  You don't like something, you have all the power to fix it! marnues (talk) 04:30, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaks vs Breakbeat 

message: Broken Beat is far too related to House and Techno to be lumped into here. Whoever defined it as "organic" funk like Breakestra is just plain wrong, broken beat is more stuff like Recloose, Kuniyuki, Russ Gabriel, etc... it is actually quite SYNTHETIC although it does have "organic" elements... SEE HERE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_beat—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.181.155 (talk) 05:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Beat removed

message: I think there should be a link at the top of this article or the article entitled Back beat, since they sound similar. This way people won't be confused. --Robo56 (talk) 22:47, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Breakbeat and Backbeat

message: This article needs a rehaul, we can mention notable breaks revivals but it started a LONG time ago.
Breakbeats are actully derrived not from 70s funk, rock although The Beatles loved to throw down a breakbeat, electronic music or hip hop, breakbeats come from JAZZ. Breakbeats are at least 100 years old, if you listen to BigBand Swing you can hear the drummer playing breakbeats in popular tracks such as the Charleston, this is also reflected in the dance style which has a similar jerky movemnt to the 80s revival of b boy break dancing...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV3u-xR_Sos Watch that if you dont believe just how old breakbeats are. (dont worry I wont post it on the article) 
Other notable examples of breakbeats are Buddy Rich The Beat Goes On http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zblr8g3P7tw The Winstons Amen Brother http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZuq57_bYM which is sampled in a LOT of drum & bass at double speed. 
The term Breakbeats refers to the breaks in a normal 4/4 drum pattern.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.157.27 (talk) 02:41, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  THE ORIGIN OF 'BREAKBEATS' 

message: Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think the "break" in the "breakbeat" name refers to funk and jazz when the rhythm would cease playing and allow a melodic solo. I'm pretty sure that the "break" refers to the fact that the kick does not fall on every quarter note. The beat is broken, not the structure of the song. Every songs that are steady beat have breaks in the song. That's not unique to breakbeat.
65.93.54.176 (talk) 13:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no reference, so if you are sure the info is incorrect, please remove it.  Try to find a reference to better define it though. --Pmsyyz (talk) 05:46, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary is incorrect 

message: I have rewritten the article's introduction to attempt to reflect a more holistic understanding of the word 'breakbeat'. Any and all criticism is welcome. I am tired of idly observing the deterioration of such an important article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.227.15.211 (talk) 14:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrote introduction

message: Im no expert on this subject and only read this article in an attempt to learn more about the subject. Still, Im pretty certain there is a slight inaccuracy, as well as a grammatical error in the first sentence of the 2cnd paragraph: 
"Breakbeats, as in "A breakbeat" (1) have been known and used for around a hundred years, and are widely known for being sampled by many early producers of hip hop, where the "break" in a song, usually only a few seconds long, is looped to create basis for an entire new song."
Really??  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.112.139.76 (talk) 16:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of breaks/breakbeat 

message: Stop removing worthwhile article material like Madness Combat and Cheshyre Hodges. Goddamn you mods are corrupt 72.38.137.234 (talk) 14:37, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  You want us to donate? Go to hell. 

message: On this wikipedia page it says the first use of the break is 'king of the beats' by Mantronix. On the Amen break's own wikipedia page it says the first use is 'I Desire' by 'Salt-N-Pepa' which predates it by two years (1986). I'm not gonna change it cos I've gotten in trouble for making perfectly valid and well researched edits to wikipedia pages before, but would anyone else with more familiarity with the process consider doing so? 51.6.191.57 (talk) 17:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Usage 

message: Hello Solidest. I am pinging you in regards to my recent edit to this article, you reverted. Please see  p. 373 and  for further reference. Qaqaamba (talk) 12:34, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi . See MOS:SEEALSO. You should put this into the context of the article, so that it is clear why the genres have a link in this section. Given that this connection is not shown in any way at all in the text of the article - this link is feeling out of place. Your put gqom link in the other articles and it was reverted for the very same reason by other people. The connection between the subjects is not apparent from the text of the article. Solidest (talk) 12:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean that instead of "simply" listing additional genres under See also I should incorporate them into the articles or elaborate on them  (given that there is a link) and omit it in all entirety from See also to obvs avoid repetition and no clarity given for the reader, in that case as I've done before? Qaqaamba (talk) 13:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not really sure why you archived the discussion in the mainspace - it's not a standard practice to archive talks that were started on the same day, especially when the problem is not solved, given that you bring gqom back to the article without getting the consensus first. So, the point is that the connection between breakbeat and gqom should be obvious to the reader or someone familiar with the topics. Right now, such a connection is unclear and it rather looks like an promotion of the article. Breakbeat is not mentioned anywhere in gqom article. And for breakbeat gqom or even African scene didn't play a significant role based on the article content - it's more like further reading barely associated with initial topic. And I'm not even sure if this article can serve as further reading - the connection here is no more than between dozens of other edm genres distantly derived or loosely related to breakbeat. And if we put everything barely related in there (like whole hardcore edm tree), it won't make sense for this section. So please clarify this connection in the articles, or remove the genre from this section. Solidest (talk) 14:28, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks,  . Solidest (talk) 14:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted edit