Talk:Knuckles' Chaotix

message: I noticed an inordinate amount of referral to the player in the second person in the level descriptions.  Eric 04:14, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
:I kind of rewrote the level section, but anyone else is welcome to expand it. In fact the whole page could benefit from some retouching here and there. --Steerpike 23:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe we should touch up on the bosses. Also, I've noticed you've been improving various Sonic articles lately, Steerpike, thanks for that. -- RattleMan 00:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little cleaning needed 

message: Stop adding these references to the Japanese manual (or write it properly at least). I mean, there's no point here. The US/European story is a lot more relevant on the English Wikipedia. --Steerpike 17:08, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's quite relevant and bears equal importance. If it's not, someone should probably go through the rest of the articles in the English Wikipedia and erase anything that has to do with other cultures. The story of Chaotix was altered drastically in the jump to the US version, and was actually originally a more serious, well-thought-out sequel to Sonic & Knuckles, as opposed to this "Eggman's crashin' a theme park and Knuckles is a rentacop!! :D :D :D" nonsense. If anyone out there has a reliable translation of the Japanese manual story, your contribution would be greatly appreciated. If there is one thing I agree with, it's that it does need to be well written. --Matt S. 02:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, since the U.S. version came first by about a month, it should be the other way around... And the stoy's not exactly coherent either way. The Japanese version's story is equally guilty of a non-sensical plot, having resorted to series' buzzwords to get by. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.101.143.63 (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was still developed in Japan, and yes, that story DOES make more sense. The English manual doesn't even mention the Chaos Rings, which are a large part of the Japanese story, and just confuses players when they collect them in-game. Gurko 15:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it makes more sense, then why isn't the whole "omg anoter mystarieous echida issand iz unconvared" resolved or  even mentioned ever again? All we get in the ending is either... I dunno, a giant Metal Sonic-like robot burninating the country side or everyone posing for the camera (except Heavy and Bomb are replaced by Sonic and Tails, as well as the Tornado)? <sarcasm> That is TOTALLY coherent with the Japanese story, and everything introduced in this game was resolved by Sonic Adventure </sarcasm>. And when did Sonic and his friends 'hide the secret of the rings from Eggman'? Also, if anything, the endings are somehow closer to the American story (the bad ending confirming that the island would be in ruins if Eggman succeeded, and the good ending... um... everyone's getting ready to party?). Face it, both stories are as terrible when it comes to explaining things in the game, you shouldn't just blindly accept Japan's explanation just for the sake of it being Japanese. But yes, we should include both, if only because they're much more radically different than usual. 208.101.130.232 13:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to have some sort of personal problem with this. The fact is, the Japanese manual's story makes more sense within the context of the game itself. It covers more information- at the very least it tells about the Chaos Rings, which wouldn't have been done otherwise. Island being ruined by Eggman would happen with either ending, from the Japanese or American storyline. Sonic Adventure didn't resolve anything, and as far as I'm concerned, the 2D games and 3D games are practically separate continuity. Sonic 06's contradiction with Sonic Rush/Rush Adventure helps that along.24.44.17.228 (talk) 18:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese manual 

message: While I am not personally a user, I think  fans of the series should know about the Gametap site that offers the game for play on their computers, as this is a very rare game. Hence, it should, as is customary for nearly ANY re-release, have a section under Trivia. Seeing as this is the only re-release in the game's history, and as much would be expected for any other game, I'm putting it in Trivia. After all, it IS the only news about this game (besides its exclusion from Gems Collection) to come along in about the last decade, and writing it off as "irrelevent" is nearly equivalent to excluding re-releases such as Mega Collection from having their own articles.(Ctu2485 22:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gametap Links 

message: I've probably explained this a thousand times before on other Sonic related pages but: the whole idea of trivia runs contrary to the concept of an encyclopedia. Information on this page should be notable, not trivial. Now personally I don't mind to read a fun fact here and there but if a page *must* include trivia please 1) look to put it in another, more relevant, section of the article first and 2) keep the list as short as possible.
I don't see the information on Gametap as a particulary noteworthy piece of trivia (which is in itself a contradiction in terms) but it might be useful to include it on a "production and release" section of this article. This hasn't been written yet but why not make the effort? The stuff about the working title and Sonic Crackers could be worked into it. The last paragraph could then discuss the various releases of the game.
And one last thing. I think the justification to include a certain piece of info in the article should be made by the person adding it in, not with me when I revert it. --Steerpike 15:56, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: It may be the only Sonic-related game for the 32X, but it does introduce the Chaotix (besides Mighty, who appeared in SegaSonic the Hedgehog first) for Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog. 208.101.130.232 13:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't this in the main series? 

message: Is the material quoted from the manual in the Storyline section copyright?
Phina.v 12:13, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  copyright concern 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Chaoix.jpg

message: The game has never been released for either of these consoles.  Please delete.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.90.169 (talk) 03:10, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playstation & Jaguar cd 

message: Yes, I know that forums are 99% not verifiable, but when dealing with claims such as these then a forum where the prototypes were released and analyzed makes for a verifiable source (anyone can open the ROM and duplicate the findings themselves, which would be original research, which makes this link the preferred one). Any issues other than "Wikipedia says forums are not reliable so I will remove this", which is bullshit? -- LocalH (not logged in, feel free to lookup my WP account and link it to this comment)
::Did you read Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources? CIGraphix (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I did. It does not say "forums are never reliable sources", it merely says "forums are largely not reliable sources", meaning there are situations where they are reliable. This is one, as it is a forum where people analyze the classic Sonic games and publically post their findings for the world to verify. I ask again, are there any other issues than reading a policy but leaving out a very key word? -- LocalH  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.158.114.254 (talk) 01:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forums as reliable sources 

message: If get this cast Sonic the Hedgehog, Gordie Rhinehart, Amy Rose, and Miles "Tails" Prower from TV series.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain vsk (talk • contribs) 10:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is Gordie Rhinehart?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.71.47.212 (talk) 01:51, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this supposed to be saying? 

message: I herd that there was a glitch(or hack) of Super Knuckles and Super Wechina(with glitch flickies),is this a glitch or a hack?
I don't think that Super Knuckles is in the game, but "Wechnia" (as he is known) is actually Tails' leftover data from Sonic Crackers. I think some stuff on that should be added. ~ TheJoebro64  —Preceding undated comment added 21:56, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Knuxs and Wechina glitch or hack 

message: Requesting merge of Sonic Crackers into this article. Crackers has little notability and sources about it, and since it is often regarded as a prototype to Chaotix, it makes sense to merge into this article. TarkusAB 22:55, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The article mentions the Chaotix appeared in the Archie comics, but they were also major characters in the UK Sonic the Comic series. Worth mentioning, perhaps? I'd dig up a source but meant to be doing something else atm. Popcornduff (talk) 07:29, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic the Comic is really hard to find sources for, unlike the Archie series (which RSes covered frequently). I'll try to dig up some information about it though. JOEBRO64 11:43, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you not use the comic issues themselves as sources? (I don't know.) Popcornduff (talk) 11:45, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I could as a primary source, but I'm not exactly sure how to cite them. JOEBRO64 11:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Low-res scans of a GamesTM magazine article about STC here. Chaotix might be mentioned, but you'll have to squint to read:  Popcornduff (talk) 11:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't say anything about the Chaotix (it might be worth including at Sonic CD and S&K though, because it talks about those games). I'll just cite the book itself. JOEBRO64 12:17, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic the Comic 

message: One more thing about that clock. Is it in the game cartridge itself or does the 32X have one? Picky but it'd be nice to get it right for FA. The current wording is vague but suggest the cart has one - is that accurate? Popcornduff (talk) 03:24, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that passage is false. The game generates random times of day for each stage. TarkusABtalk 03:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internal clock 

message: I'm still doing frantic copyediting on this article because, for now, I think it's more constructive to try to improve it myself rather than just complain on the FAC.
* "IGN considered the level design simplistic, bland, and seemingly unfinished. The large number of acts in each level (five, compared to previous entries having two or three) and simple boss fights were also noted."
A note about "note": This is a really dangerous verb that's often misused on Wikipedia. It implies that someone is registering a fact, not voicing an opinion. For example, "She noted it was 4PM" is OK - that was the fact. "She noted that the game was fun" is not OK: that's an opinion. This sentence uses "note" to say that there are a large number of levels - that's OK, that can be a factual statement assuming it's measured against other games in the franchise or whatever - and sounds like praise? But also that the boss fights are "simple", which is confusing - is this meant to be a criticism? not clear. Popcornduff (talk) 12:38, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, sometimes I forget I can read sources myself to figure out what the prose is trying to say. I've clarified this now but please note my warning about "note". Popcornduff (talk) 12:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

message: I want to point out that currently the reception section mixes contemporary with retrospective reviews. 1UP, AllGame, and IGN are retrospective. Shouldn't these critic scores be omitted from the infobox and the comments be split off and grouped at the bottom of Reception? Perhaps if the critical consensus remained the same across time (as it appears it did), it doesn't matter. I'll be honest that IGN looks so integrated that I really don't want to bother rewriting the section but it probably should be done. TarkusABtalk 20:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the overall reception section is fine the way it is since the reception has never changed (and both czar and Jaguar said it was fine at the FAC), but I would be fine with removing IGN, AllGame, and 1UP from the infobox. JOEBRO64 20:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception section 

message: Joe sez: "Sorry, but we need to say this [the bolded part] because the way it's written implies EVERYTHING was retained (besides Sonic and Tails), which is false"
Sorry, Joe, I can't agree. Look at it again without the bolded part:
There's nothing here that implies that "everything was retained" - prototypes are naturally assumed to have unfinished ideas and stuff that doesn't reflect the final game. Additionally, by your logic, saying "the concept was retained" does nothing to indicate other concepts were discarded, if that's your concern. If what you actually want to make clear here is that significant amounts of Crackers were scrapped, then we should spell that out more directly. Popcornduff (talk) 10:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm givin' it a little c/e and restructure. JOEBRO64 10:54, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: Were the characters referred to collectively as a group called the "Chaotix" at the time of release or later? I think it was just the name of the game at first. TarkusABtalk 19:11, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually don't know. Maybe we should check the manual? JOEBRO64 19:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically, they are "the Chaotix Crew" in this game, according to the manual. JOEBRO64 19:14, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough for government work. TarkusABtalk 19:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaotix name 

message: Is there an in-game explanation for the tether? Brutannica (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Tether

message: It's just been pointed out to me that "Sonic Crackers" was almost certainly meant to be "Sonic Clackers", as in clackers. (Japan mixes R and L up a lot.) No source for this so I guess we can't add it to the article, but interesting to know... Popcornduff (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That is interesting and almost certainly true, especially since "crackers" makes zero sense. TarkusABtalk 03:17, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Yeah, wow, I never thought of that, but that makes so much more sense! As you say though, I've never seen a sources say that though. Which is equally shocking - can't believe no RS ever thought of this either, but I don't think I've ever seen it. Sergecross73 msg me 04:16, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

text: Incredible! I always thought "Crackers" made no sense. "Clackers" seems like it was clearly the intended name. JOEBRO64 11:08, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic Clackers

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