Talk:Dave Van Ronk

message: Q. Where can I find any of Dave Van Ronk's managers?
A. Ron Shelley is listed as manager on Dave Van Ronk (Polydor) album.    ronshelleyis@yahoo.com
: And here's I was waiting for a punchline -- "In the RonksMuseum", or something.  -- TimNelson 05:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I seem to vaguely recall that Dave Van Ronk did the artwork on the cover of Joan Baez's first album.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.213.209 (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would seem unlikely considering that Van Ronk had little to do with the Boston/Cambridge folk scene at the time, appears scarcely (if at all) to have known Joan Baez, and is not known to be an artist (although he was an art collector). You may be confusing Van Ronk with Eric Von Schmidt, who was considered in folk music the Boston/Cambridge analogue of Van Ronk and who was well known as an illustrator. TheScotch (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: COVER ART

message: The career section has him "speaking fondly of his impending return to Greenwich Village" suggesting he did not live there at the time (why would he say that if he was just on a trip?), but the personal characteristics section says "he declined to ever move from Greenwich Village".  Can someone clear this up?  --Blainster 21:35, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably a trip--maybe a long one. TheScotch (talk) 08:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Greenwich Village residence

message: clearly, he belongs in that category71.214.177.214 00:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Greenwich Village Scene

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dave Van Ronk.jpg

message: I updated the discography to include all releases - it's a bit confusing in many areas as some same titles were used or same album released under a different name. For example, SomeBODY Else, Not Me was changed when released on CD to SomeONE Else, Not Me. Hopefully, it is good to go. I've added a lot of the albums and will do some more updating on them. Allmusic's discog is off in a bunch of places too. Join in! Airproofing (talk) 17:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a Tom Russell Album, The Man From God Knows Where,  to the Discography because Dave Van Ronk is featured performing two songs, The Outcast and a followup, The Outcast (revisited). If someone was trying to put together a complete Van Ronk collection they would need to know about this album. I suspect that there are other albums out there that were by other artists that include him as well. If anyone knows of any they might consider including them in the list. AJseagull1 (talk) 23:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: What do people think of listing them chronologically by performance date rather than by release date? Luminifer (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ordering of live albums

message: disagrees with the years we have for some of the albums, like the ragtime jug stompers, and just dave van ronk. Just Dave Van Ronk sounds later than In The Tradition to my ears, as well. I just checked my vinyl copy, there is NO YEAR anywhere on it. Likewise for Jug Stompers. Does anyone have any ideas? Luminifer (talk) 01:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ragtime Jug Stompers is definitely later than 1960, probably 1963. I looked in "The Mayor of MacDougal Street" but there is no specific date for the album other than to mention it was made about the same time as Inside Dave Van Ronk.--Paul (talk) 14:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The wikipedia article says it's 1964. That seems right to me.--Paul (talk) 14:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography dates

message: The Career section states, "Van Ronk joined the many performers who played at Phil's memorial concert in the Felt Forum at Madison Square Garden, playing a bluesy version of Dylan's 'He Was A Friend Of Mine'."
Dylan did indeed have his own version of "He Was A Friend Of Mine" (HWAFOM), but HWAFOM is a traditional folk song that predates Dylan. (I believe someone [Woody Guthrie?] adapted it for a tribute to FDR upon the latter's death in 1945.)
Not knowing whether Van Ronk's rendition looked more like Dylan's or the traditional version, I'm not sure what would be appropriate to write in this case.  In any case, the current text seems to falsely credit Dylan as the originator of HWAFOM.  Should it be said that Van Ronk played a bluesy version of the tradition folk song HWAFOM (omitting reference to Dylan), or that he played a bluesy version of Dylan's VERSION of HWAFOM?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Convit (talk • contribs) 08:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify matters a bit: Bob Dylan recorded the traditional song ("He Was a Friend of Mine") at the sessions for his first album in 1961, but that recording wasn't released until three decades later in a collection of old outtakes. It's thus extremely unlikely that the public at large would have associated the song with Dylan in any way at the time of the Phil Ochs memorial concert. It's also worth noting that for Dylan's first album he recorded Dave Van Ronk's arrangement of the traditional song "House of the Rising Sun". This song had been a staple of Van Ronk's performing repertoire, but Dylan at the time had not previously performed the song in public at all. TheScotch (talk) 06:23, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution for the song "He Was A Friend Of Mine" 

message: Dave seems to have written a few things - Some of these are reprints of earlier editions. Is there opposition to listing his written works and instruction books/tapes/CDs in the article?
*  The Search for Robert Johnson. Dave Van Ronk. ew.com; Entertainment Weekly.  August 07, 1992.  Dave's review of the documentary.
* Dave Van Ronk  "Folk and Blues Fingerstyle Guitar" [Paperback], 32 pages. Stefan Grossman's Guitar Workshop (July 17, 2001) Mel Bay Productions, Pacific MO. ISBN-13: 978-0786659265  Includes 3 CDs. Amazon Google Books
* "Blues and Ragtime Fingerstyle Guitar" [Paperback] Dave Van Ronk 32 pages Stefan Grossman's Guitar Workshop (July 17, 2001) Mel Bay Productions, Pacific MO. ISBN-13: 978-0786659272  Includes 3 CDs. Amazon Google Books
* "The Collected Reprints from Sing Out!: The Folk Song Magazine", Volumes 7-12, 1964-1973 (v. 7-12) [Paperback].  Sing Out Editorial and Dave Van Ronk.  382 pages.  Publisher: Sing Out Publications. (January 1993) ISBN:978-1881322009 Amazon
* "The Bosses' Songbook: Songs to Stifle the Flames of Discontent". Dave Van Ronk, Richard Ellington.  New York; Richard. Ellington. 1959. (Source: "Prophet Singer: The Voice and Vision of Woody Guthrie".  Mark Allan Jackson. January 2007  Publisher: University Press of Mississippi * ISBN-13: 9781604731026) Google Books
* "Dave van Ronk, Accompanying Himself On Guitar Sings Ballads, Blues & A Spiritual"  [Unknown Binding]. Dave van Ronk. Folkways Records, (January 1, 1959) ASIN: B002K6THO2
* "Guitar Stylings of Dave Van Ronk" (Mel Bay Presents) [Paperback],  80 pages  Mel Bay; MB95443 edition (1996) ISBN: 978-0786604722 Amazon
* "Dave Van Ronk's Fingerpicking Folk, Blues and Ragtime Guitar [Spiral-bound]". Dave Van Ronk (Author)  Stefan Grossman (1982) ASIN: B000NMFKB4 Amazon  --Lexein (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing - sources 

message: Dug this out of the Wayback machine. Seems comprehensive, even if it isn't usable as a source.
* Dave Van Ronk Unauthorized Jeff Kenney. 
--Lexein (talk) 17:02, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dave Van Ronk Unauthorized

message: Dave was grabbed by three cops and charged with assault at the Stonewall riot. Did he comment on it later?  There seems to be no mention of the incident in The Mayor of MacDougal Street. What's up with that? --Lexein (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stonewall 

message: A report of Van Ronk's arrest during the Stonewall Riots appears twice and is cited to different sources. To fix this, I would remove the first report but keep the Village Voice reference which it cites: The two reports say basically the same thing. EdJohnston (talk) 04:43, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the above change. One complication is that the link to a report at davidcarterauthor.com is no longer working. Instead, I've provided a 2010 book by the same author: . You can preview this book on the Amazon site to find some passages that refer to Van Ronk. EdJohnston (talk) 02:43, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication re Stonewall 

message: The reference to the current name of the party he joined does not add any information to this article. At the time it was called the American Committee for the Fourth International, which he left soon after. Adding information about a name change made nearly 40 years after his departure is not necessary, or even interesting information on the subject.  It was added by members of that party to elicit hits to their website..  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.218.223.215 (talk) 20:55, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Political affiliations

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