Talk:Tai shogi

message: Hey JT,
I'm making my corrections off the Japanese article. What's your source for this? I'm just wondering where the discrepancies have crept in. 
I changed "silver demon" to "silver hare" per the Japanese page, but the kanji look rather similar. "Demon" seems a more fitting name for this variant, but there you go. There is no "side chariot" in the Japanese article; instead they have a "running chariot". (It goes in all orthogonal directions.)
A lot more pieces promote - or demote, actually, since once you capture you're left with a gold. But a few become more powerful; I'll get you the movements they make in the next day or two. 
I haven't verified the piece movements at all. Taishogi pieces often move differently than pieces with the same names in other variants, so I should probably do that. 
I've caught one blatant naming error in the Japanese chu shogi article, so if you feel your source is correct, maybe it is!
Thanks for all the hard work! 
kwami 13:19, 2005 September 4 (UTC)
:When a piece promotes to a "free" version of itself, that just means that it flies across the board instead of taking one step. So the cat sword steps one space diagonally, and the free cat moves like a bishop. Check out the Japanese link; they have a nice diagram, where every piece on the board is linked to its own article. The promotions vary according to the variant, so look for 泰将棋 (usually towards the bottom of the page). kwami 14:08, 2005 September 4 (UTC)
I neglected to keep track of all my sources as I should have done.  My main sources for this article where: an article by Luke Merritt at Roger Hare’s website, and this article (which has its own references but the links are now broken).  Luke also wrote an article on orthodox shogi and proclaimed it “incomplete” (His article on Tai shogi had no such proclamation).
“Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong.” - David Fasold; later Carl Sagan on Ptolemy’s earth centered universe. --JTTyler 23:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources, etc. 

message: 𩹄 = 魚+曷 (U+29E44) http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=29E44
:Thanks for both of those. kwami 22:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  𩹄 

message: An anon editor just today made numerous revisions, including deleting several pieces, without ref. Since this article could so easily get garbled, I reverted. However, it did seem to be done in good faith, and could well be correct, since a lot of the info we have is suspect. Anon, could you supply your sources? Thanks. kwami 22:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started going through them, in case Japanese wiki had changed, but in every case Anon's edits contradict it. In a few cases where we have notes, they agree with Evans' software. However, that isn't a reliable source either, and is probably less reliable than the Japanese article. kwami 00:09, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions

message: In the piece list and the movement description there is the Free Dream-Eater, but in the initial position there is the Free Tapir. Both are presumably the same piece. Since I don't read japanese, can someone clarify this issue (and unify, if necessary)? 84.165.253.220 (talk) 21:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if this happened in Chinese, or in Japanese before borrowings from European languages started, but there are several cases where the names of traditional mythical animals have been extended to exotic but real animals. One of these is 'kirin' for giraffe; this is another: the baku for tapir. Since the word itself is ambiguous, we can only guess as to which is meant in this case, but my money is on the mythical creature. I've changed 'tapir' to 'dream-eater' here and in the other shogi variants that have it. kwami (talk) 04:33, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Tapir vs. Free Dream-Eater 

message: Why are there no movement diagrams like the other variants? OosakaNoOusama (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you want to take the time to make them? I don't! Also, several pieces may be wrong, as they disagree with WP-ja. — kwami (talk) 06:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps neither of you do, but it is an idea I have been considering for two years...anyway, I will check the pieces against the sources. (I developed a sort of suspicion for TSA rules after the lion-hawk issue came to my attention, and would much rather check the original Japanese sources. On my viewpoint on the LH, I feel rather strongly that if a piece is described as moving like another piece, that implies (strongly) that its movement is the same, not (weakly) that it can just move to the same squares. The mao and moa cannot really be said to move like a knight, can they?) Double sharp (talk) 12:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Done! :D Double sharp (talk) 13:55, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movement diagrams 

message: Does someone know if, as in maka dai dai shōgi, the capture of a deva promotes the capturer to a teaching king and, likewise, the capture of a dark spirit promotes it to a buddhist spirit (I assume in any case this does not apply to a royal piece, though not mentioned)?
UseresuUK (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. It would make sense as the large variants usually keep the rules of the previous ones, taikyoku excepted (but then the rules for that one we currently know are almost certainly wrong). Double sharp (talk) 06:39, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capturing a deva or a dark spirit 

message: The taishi (太子) is referred to as King in some places in the text, and Prince in others. (Prince seems like the more accurate translation, but King reflects the analogy to chess). I don't have a strong opinion as to which name is better, but I would like to see all the references changed to the same name, with perhaps a note that XXX is called YYY by other writers. -- ABehrens (talk) 05:05, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This was simply an error introduced in June 2023. "Prince" is correct. Double sharp (talk) 13:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taishi