Talk:The Amazing Race 12/Archive 01

message: My understanding is that at this stage CBS has not greenlit TAR12 and that casting has not yet taken place. Can anyone confirm this? If so, it should go in the article. 218.215.6.66 03:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: CBS hasn't officially renewed the program.  In the meantime, Phil is working on NOW in Canada.  He was on a recent NOW book-signing and audition tour in Canada. --Madchester 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greenlit? 

message: I've seen reliable (to me, not to WP) sources that say the race is filming now and has been for a few days.  Expect to start seeing some incoming links to the page that may or may not be truthful, so... --Masem 20:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that TAR Asia 2 is running  and was seen in Prague, so pretty much any sighting has to be confirmed as to which version is running. --Masem 15:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heads up... 

message: Just to forestall any questions, I've only put 9 legs in the results table based on varied discussion that there are no non-elimination legs this season. As that lacks an official source, I haven't added any prose on that; if it turns out to be false, the table can always be expanded. Radagast 15:17, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Theoretically it sounds correct, and as you said, it can always be expanded, so i don't see why its shouldn't be kept Survivorfan101 12:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's one theory that got shot down. I see the table's already been updated, my thanks to that editor. Radagast 02:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, Phil sure shut us up! Survivorfan101 05:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results table 

message: Just a quick question, which one way or the other will be answer in 3 days, has Ireland been confirmed as the first location? As far as i remember on the first location the teams are given a choice of 2-3 flights which are direct. LAX to Dublin, you have only one choice, Aer Lingus. Otherwise you need to fly to London or NYC first. It may seem trivialbut i thought i'd point it out. And on an irrelevent side note, its about time it came to Ireland --Irishboi 02:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe someone took from forum, sometime i doesn't believe, i'm more prefer to reliable sources such as news. --Aleenf1 06:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is confirmed by TVGuide, is Ireland then Netherlands for Leg 2. --Aleenf1 07:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Location 

message: Now a whole list of the locations to be visited is up!!! Can this be confirmed? I think in previous seasons these weren't accepted as fact. --Irishboi 22:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm already delete it, you can do so next time. --Aleenf1 23:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Location 

message: Just a note, but the official website currently lists the distance traveled as 50,000 miles.  I believe that's a website mistake (like past ones with their leaderboard) and we should be sticking to the current details provided in the Littman interview. --Madchester 06:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Distance traveled

message: I know that the press release states that there will be no non-elimination legs for this race, but did anyone else that just watched the premiere hear Phil say that there would be non-elimination legs? If so, I'd propose putting in after the statement saying that there would be no non-elimination legs that Phil did say that there would be elimination legs. Anakinjmt 02:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bertramm has stated there are no non-elimination legs.  What the 2 legs are that aren't elimination and aren't the final -- well, we'll have to wait and see, but given what we have verifiable, we can't add anything in about NELs. --MASEM 05:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Elimination 

message: How about we merge Episode title quotes and prizes into one summaries table, like:
Episode title                                    	Air date  	Quote                      	Prize for leg's winners
Donkeys Have Souls, Too                          	2007-11-04	Christina                  	A trip for two to the Fairmont Banff Resort in Alberta, Canada, provided by Travelocity
I've Become the Archie Bunker of the Home        	2007-11-11	Ronald                     	A sport bike for each racer
Please, Lord, Give Me Milk                       	2007-11-18	Lorena                     	A five-night vacation to Bermuda, provided by Travelocity
Let's Name Our Chicken Phil                      	2007-11-25	Shana                      	A Yamaha Motor Scooter For Each Racer
We Really Burned Bridges, For Sure               	2007-12-02	Jennifer (Shana & Jennifer)	A ten-day trip for two to Japan, provided by Travelocity
Cherry on Top of the Sundae That's Already Melted	2007-12-09	                           	
How do you think? --Aleenf1 09:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: I found 2 new things, probably new rules, in official site, known as U-TURN and SPEED BUMP. Will it going to implement? What is that mean? --Aleenf1 10:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Page three of the episode recap.  It's not enough to include yet (it could just be a bad copy edit) but I've put out a feeler to see if these are legit so that we can get a source to add them .--MASEM 14:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes. Quick link for the curious:  Looks pretty deliberate to me, but it's certainly not enough to be verifiable. They should wait until we see them in the show itself, anyway. Radagast 15:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they have taken it off, apparently. Probably wasn't meant to be revealed that early in the race. But from Kynt & Vyxsin's pre-race interview, they did mention something about using the U-Turn implement on a team that would betray their trust/alliance. 219.75.17.214 00:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Rules? 

message: How could there be this many legs when there is an elimination every leg? ScottAHudson
:The elimination-every-leg was seemingly disproved by Phil's breakdown in the opening rules: 11 Pit Stops, 8 elimination points. While there may be some different kind of mechanism on those other 3, it remains that we will have 11 legs. Radagast  —Preceding comment was added at 14:01, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, just saw now that the Littman quote was sourced in the opener! I've put a proviso with Phil's intro details. Radagast 16:36, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They may have double-legs with a midpoint elim, like two seasons ago in China.  Again, personal speculation don't quote me on it. --Madchester 03:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An additional possibility is that post-production the Non Elimination Legs were converted into first halves of double legs. Don't quote me either. Jon 19:41, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The next episode will be a double leg, that the Non-Elimination legs had dropped. That the end of the upcoming episode reveal, "TO BE CONTINUED". --10:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  11 Legs 

message: Are Azaria and Hendekea of Ethiopian or Eritrean heritage? Badagnani 08:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you answered your own question, huh? *giggles* - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 15:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azaria and Hendekea 

message: Is it possible to put in a spoiler warning as people like me who live in Australia will not be able to see the series until around Febuary 2008   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.59.17 (talk) 06:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The top box about the show being still in its broadcast run doubles at the spoiler warning, and spoiler warnings are being depreciated except in extreme cases.  Also please note to start new topics at the bottom of the talk page, thanks. --MASEM 06:51, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warning Please 

message: Yea, I know this only matters for 3 days, but I will point out that the previews shown during Kid Nation for this upcoming episode have revealed the location (in that the racers are shown completely missing the pronunciation).  --MASEM 02:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouagadougou, Burkina Faso. Badagnani 02:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leg 3 

message: Umm. Why is there Guinea-Bissau spoiler for Leg 4, under Race Locations? Apparently, the person who put that there said there was an airplane logo on one of the previews. Firstly, I have not seen such a preview. Secondly, airplane logo are not sufficient to prove that that will be the next location. For all we know, it might be just a connection flight. (seen in Season 11 where teams flew Air Malawi but were not going to Malawi). And lastly, so far all textual evidence points that Leg 4 will remain in Burkina Faso. DanielTAR (talk) 02:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leg 4 

message: "This is the first season not to include place markers at the pit stops since Season 1."
In that case - what's this?
Episode 1 - http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7067/wmplayer200711211403585yi2.jpg
Episode 2 - http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9969/wmplayer200711211406199fc7.jpg
84.40.242.69 (talk) 13:11, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place markers 

message: Was the first location in Leg 4 Yako proper, or the village of Bouta Pelegtanga? We didn't see "Bouta" spelled on the screen, so how is it spelled? Badagnani (talk) 02:46, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yako or Bouta Pelegtanga

message: I don't know why is it so important but i think highlighting 1st places is not needed. So what if the team finished in first place, it is not so special. In addition, the colours used to highlight these 1st places (purple and blue) were reserved for non-eliminated legs. Also, if you have to highlight it, you have to highlight the 1st place on every other seasons and versions. Thus, a waste of time. So whoever is highlighting those first place, please stop it. Aranho (talk) 02:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - unlike other shows like, say Project Runway where there are multiple "winners" but no placings, colors can help, but here, it's strictly placement order - only special cases should be marked as such.  Please retain (otherwise) non-colored entries. --MASEM 03:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highlighing 1st place 

message: I added the country for Leg 5 as it was mentioned on the official CBS site:
"One Team continues burning bridges and making enemies when they force a fellow Racer out of an airline ticket office. One Team is too busy butting heads to realize their car is on a collision course with a speeding bus. The simple act of counting fence posts at a Lithuanian festival causes one dating couple's relationship to be anything but festive." Squall41269 (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leg 5 

message: Bertram van Munster stated in an interview prior to the season that TWO NEW African countries would be presented on this Race.  Burkina Faso has been one.  If teams do in fact go to Lithuania for Leg 5, where is the other African country?  Surely, they would not go to Lithuania and then back to Africa and then on to Croatia, would they?  Well, if anyone else has any thoughts about this, I'm interested to find out about the second new African country.  UWAFanatic05 20:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A reliable source (even if it contains potentially incorrect info) takes precedence over speculation, per Wiki policy.  You can read up on location spoilers on most reality TV forums. --Madchester 22:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think it's a good idea not to clump all the legs of a continent together if they can help it. So I think it's a good idea they are alternating African and Europe legs since they're of general close proximity and instead of doing all the legs of one countinent in one shot, it is actually a good idea to have a mix. I do think it's going to be Burkina Faso -> Lithuania -> Croatia -> 2nd New African country. It's a good idea because some times European legs tend to get repetitive and if there's a break in between, it's definitely much more refreshing and entertaining. DanielTAR 14:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with breaking up the continents to make it more interesting. Additionally, there have been rumors of either Guinea-Bisseau or Kenya being the location of the second African leg. Personally I have no idea though, just reporting what I've heard. Riptor3000  —Preceding comment was added at 05:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the input everyone!  I feel the same way as DanielTAR now.  It makes sense.  I've heard rumors they go to either Guinea-Bissau or Niger myself.  UWAFanatic05 05:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're not going back to Africa. That guy probably mistook Burkina Faso for either two countries or that there would be two legs in Africa(the two legs in Burkina Faso). There are 6 legs left, and there is simply no room for an African leg. Croatia, Italy, India, Taiwan, Japan and the final leg in Alaska and the final city. That's six. All of those countries are confirmed through the opening screencaps. Tell me where they are going to squeeze in another African leg.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.35.247 (talk) 22:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other African country? 

message: Hi. There have been rumours circulating that after the race, Azaria & Christina hooked up. Azaria broke up with his ex-girlfriend to be with Christina and they have apparently been spotted together. These came from "The Amazing Race Wiki" and may be unreliable. So do you think it's alright to post it under post-race trivia? And can anyone source out this piece of information and check for authenticity? Thanks. DanielTAR 14:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the same too but not well sources.  However, I would caution against adding it only because if have a relationship, it implies both teams go a good distance in the race, and may be considered a possible spoiler.  Let's find a more confirmed source and add it after either one of the teams is eliminated or the race is over (I have no idea beyond one spoiler where they end up, but that's from mid-race). --MASEM 15:06, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I kinda agree. Anyway, I personally think that both teams either go very far together or are eliminated in the next couple of legs so they spend some time together at Elimination Villa. Either way, we'll see how it pans out as the race progresses then. DanielTAR 16:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azaria & Christina?? 

message: The preview of the next episode that only six teams remain, The next destination of the following leg will go to Dubrovnik, in Croatia. All female teams are gone, only 5 co-ed teams and 1 all male team remain. -- December 3, 2007 -- 02:03 UTC  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.255.83 (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leg 6 

message: I'm thinking of modifying this section into "Production" and "Casting".  I don't really like the point form format, because it just screams of trivia at the moment.  And I'm the one who proposed the pre/post/in race headings in the first place... --Madchester (talk) 04:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I should chime in and say I like the improvement.  I don't know whether it makes sense to move the sections around, but I like taking that out of the lead and combining it with the "trivia" about the race.  Definitely something to take to the other race seasons once we've established how to do it. --MASEM 19:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I don't really like it. :( DanielTAR (talk) 23:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more in-line with the Wiki policy on trivia and follows a similar format as featured television articles like "Pilot (Smallville)" or "Through the Looking Glass (Lost)".  I was the one who created the break-down of trivia into pre/in/post as a stopgap measure when there were complaints of trivia filling TAR articles.      It should have been replaced long ago. --Madchester (talk) 04:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable race events