Talk:Ror

message: I found out that Dialogue & Daggers:Notion of Authority and Legitimacy in the Early Delhi Sultanate 1192 C.E.-1316 C.E. p. 167. ISBN 9789384318468, written by Ayan Shome, was added in this page as a reference. However, this book doesn't even mention about the Rors!
Please check the reference. Arnab2305 (talk) 05:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Page 167. - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  An irrelevant source 

message: Forgive my unfamiliarity with Wikipedia processes, I stumbled upon something that might be worth including in the article. From the page "Yamnaya culture" there is a reference and direct link to this page based on genetic study which shows a high representation of early steppe ancestry in Ror people.
"The Rors stand out in South Asia as the population with the highest proportion of Steppe ancestry".
Pathak AK, Kadian A, Kushniarevich A, Montinaro F, Mondal M, Ongaro L, et al. (6 December 2018). "The Genetic Ancestry of Modern Indus Valley Populations from Northwest India". The American Journal of Human Genetics. 103 (6): 918–929. doi:10.1016/j.ajhg.2018.10.022. PMC 6288199. PMID 30526867.
2600:1700:2AB1:8540:645F:D816:29CD:73B5 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not use genetics papers in caste articles. - Sitush (talk) 10:01, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Steppe Ancestry 

message: - There is repeated vandalism/propaganda on history section. There is no source for "Ror Dynasty" being linked to Rors of Haryana. It says Arora Dynasty in second source, not Ror. 
First source has NO mention of Ror Dynasty at all! and second source mentions Arora Dynasty. Nothing in sources links anything to Rors of Haryana. Nor any ties of Ror to Sindh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ror#History
Please look into it and remove this vandalism/propaganda.117.198.113.124 (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , can you help? It looks like the problematic edits are in this diff, but there are also good edits in there. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

text: "Aror Dynaty" page name was changed to "Ror Dynasty" by this User recently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ror84here Please take note. 117.198.113.124 (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Please look into this also, history section is full of propaganda by Ror84here, even changed Aror Dynasty page to Ror Dynasty just to fit his propaganda.117.198.112.153 (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

text: I removed it & then saw this discussion. The entire section was a house of cards. - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: History section full of unsourced propaganda

message: Unless a living person can be shown to self-identify as a member of a particular  caste in a reliable source, we do not show them in caste lists. - Sitush (talk) 10:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking people to castes 

message: Even if we had a reliable source for it, consensus has long been that varna is not mentioned in lead sections (and, by extension, in infoboxes & short descriptions). - Sitush (talk) 10:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You can mention in any other section as page contains limited information I think this the basic intro about Ror 
Answer all queries Who are Ror , What is Ror and can be mentioned in section as population and varna is a part of caste identity as well . Ror84here (talk) 10:54, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it could be but (a) you know the source is not reliable and (b) even now, you keep adding it to the lead section. I should add that if you do find a reliable source, the chances are high that I find one which contradicts it - that is the way it is with most agricultural castes. - Sitush (talk) 13:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

text: We don't disregard policy etc just because an article is short. Genetics papers are unreliable for caste matters, period. What expertise does a geneticist have regarding ancient historical socio-religious terminology? Where did they obtain that knowledge? - Sitush (talk) 14:41, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Varna 

message: Article needs to be reverted to last best version, which is 1317 yesterday. Not sure if it is socks, meats or just cluelessness but a lot of rubbish has come back since then & I cannot revert it myself due to 3RR (also, a very tortuous process on mobile!) - Sitush (talk) 07:08, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last best version 

message: I note that the article, as it is now(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ror&oldid=1038138876) provides very little information that a reader would find useful. Some of the information from the earlier versions should be restored. 
"Ror is an Indian caste." 
"In the parts of Baiswara in Uttar Pradesh that are inhabited by Ror people,[1] Rors along with groups such as the Chauhans and Tomars are associated with Delhi and its outskirts."
"The migration history of Rors began and ended in Haryana, a region north of Delhi.[2]"
They don't tell me much.
Specifically the reports based on scholarly studies should be mentioned. Discussion of Varna (it is a problematic issue, since there is no established standard for judging that) should be avoided. If legends are mentioned, their sources should be cited. A modern oral legend is not as useful as a tradition with some literary history. Malaiya (talk) 20:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Which scholarly studies do you mean? One of the difficulties with this article has always been that the Ror do not appear to have attracted much academic interest. However, that article might appear to be short is not a reason to relax our policies and guidelines. - Sitush (talk) 06:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Article is largely devoid of useful information

message: , this edit seems like a good-faith oversight, as the source does mention Rors on page no. 167. Here's the relevant quote:
So I guess the details and the relevant content should be reinstated. - NitinMlk (talk) 17:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it has been restored. But this is the only mention in the book, which I can't preview, and doesn't explain enough about the history of the Ror. Are there other reliable sources about this? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , I apologise for the extreme delay. You are right that it's just a passing mention in the source. In fact, the Rors are just mentioned to show the example of those groups who had a "migration history that was by their own traditions quite modest." And I haven't seen any other reliable source covering this detail. Also, see my edit summary. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, removed as too vague. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Query  

message: Add Neeraj Chopra name . 2409:4053:E11:8B44:978A:C10E:6C64:20EB (talk) 11:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 August 2021 

message: The Ror became an independent caste identity in Haryana itself 261 years ago after the third battle of Panipat. More than one Kshatriya (warriors) groups fighting on the Maratha side settled in Haryana after the war. The caste emerged to become the present Ror Caste of Haryana. 
Find references to suit your needs.
Thanks Wikieditor1008 (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the WP:BURDEN is on you to find reliable sources, and if you repeatedly make unfounded statements such as this on talk pages it is quite possible that you will find yourself blocked. - Sitush (talk) 10:58, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The migration of Rors begin and end in Haryana. Explanation 

message: Dear Wikipedia, 
with due respect, I want to conferm some changes on this page with the help of suitable references. And I'll make sure that the viewers must enoy a better experience.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4051:28b:9fad::1073:f0ad (talk • contribs) 
Neeraj chopra an Indian track and field athlete is also belong to ror caste  Anonymous being on earth (talk) 17:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of History and Notable people 

message: Neeraj Chopra ( Olympic Gold Medalist ) is also from Ror Caste. He is from Khandra Village in Panipat (Haryana). 2409:4051:4E08:790C:0:0:9908:6208 (talk) 16:52, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See this - hako9 (talk) 18:01, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2021 

message: The Ror caste does not belong to Sikhism at all and The ror caste does not practice Sikhism ever, however we do respect to all culture and religions. 
I request to Wikipedia please make correction on the page.
Thank you 2605:8D80:668:228B:A532:5457:CB8E:591A (talk) 22:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: and won't be done, because this reliable source  clearly shows your claim to be erroneous - Arjayay (talk) 22:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction needed on the article immediately. 

message: Romil Chaudhary is a notable people and belong to Ror caste. 2409:4051:2003:655E:DCC9:B2BB:5D21:7200 (talk) 07:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: - Romil Chaudhary does not have his own article on the English Wikipedia, so is ineligible for inclusion. - Arjayay (talk) 11:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romil Chaudhary is a notable people and belong to Ror caste. 

message: User:Arjayay can you remove the section on external links? It is already empty. 103.240.204.158 (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Be fair - the article is semi-protected, so the IP couldn't do it themselves - Arjayay (talk) 20:38, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: External links section empty

message: According to research done in American journal of human genetics and genome..Ror are light skinned eurasian migrated people who brought eurasian characters to indus valley..Ror is only caste with 6 feet average height in india. Their ancestory can be noticed in Sindh pakistan as well.Raja Ror/Rai diyach and Sorath epic tales are still famous in pakistan Sindh region.Famous poetess Abida parveen has also sung Sur sorath and it is practiced by almost all sindhi folk musicians..But ror in india are not aware about Raja ror/Rai diyach... 2409:4051:4E19:EA1:7584:DB4C:7A85:1D8E (talk) 19:28, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are your WP:Reliable sources? - Arjayay (talk) 20:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moreover, genetics are not allowed in Indian caste/community articles per WP:CONSENSUS at WP:INB, reliable or not. Besides the research paper in question doesn't mention anything like what the IP is saying, it only implies that these samples seem to harbor high West Eurarian ancestries among the studied samples (thus can be extracted to be used as a proxy for the hypothetical ANI ancestry, previously done using the Kalash populations of Pakistan), it is still an admixed population (like most moderns in the world) and very much part of the Indian-Cline as geneticists term it, with ~60% of the female lineages (mtDNA) of native South Asian origin as well as 20% Andamanese Onge like ancestry as observed by the research itself. Not to mention it is not a favored research paper since it uses dated formula miscalculating averages, especially steppe proportions of all the samples it uses in the study. It is a moot point now since we cannot use genetics per consensus, but also need to note that news articles have miss quoted the research paper, similar to many other researches done in Indian media. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:30, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pathak et al. (2018)? Should I remove Ror genetics content in other articles as well, such as Genetics_and_archaeogenetics_of_South_Asia? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:25, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ror caste gentics 

message: To the west of Jaisalmer, there is an old town called aror, which was the main area of ​​Dahir . when Qasim attacked Sindh, the people of ror and jat castes had shifted towards Haryana, by the way, Dahir was a Mohyal Brahmin. At the time of Chach, the Hindus of Sindh had taken part in the battle of camel in Basra, Iraq, (then further Mohyals also took part in Karbala) .then when Qasim got victory over Deval(712ad), many Hindu castes came towards Haryana from aror sindh and they were called ror and jats in haryana. 103.206.177.49 (talk) 08:59, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aror city of sindh 

message: Isha Books, along with Gyan Publishing and Kalpaz Publications, are not considered reliable on this project, as they plagiarise even Wikipedia – see here. They are so notorious that I just needed to glance at a few pages of the source in question to find blatant plagiarism. Expectedly, the book plagiarises from here, there, and everywhere, e.g. check out page no. 229, which is fully plagiarised from two different sources:
Here is the first half of the page no. 229:
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This is copy-pasted from the following copyrighted book:
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Here is the second half of the page no. 229:
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This is copy-pasted from from page no. 655 of the Encyclopædia Britannica (1911): 
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- NitinMlk (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isha Books 

message: Ror is the most unique and distinctive caste of India. Check source
Anuj Choudhary Ror (talk) 09:13, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add information 

message: Kindly add this line : 
Aror once served as the capital of Sindh.Aror was once ancestral town of the Ror Dynasty or Ror Community. The name was given after the Arab Invasion with Al-Ror or Al-Rur.  
With reference of : Bhutto Women University Pakistan
https://bnbwu.edu.pk/history-of-sukkur/ DevinAI (talk) 04:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: – DreamRimmer (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is not a scholarly or WP:HISTRS compliant source. Besides, see the discussion here and the archives. There were multiple attempts to link the Ror community of Haryana with the Aror of Sindh by multiple POV pushers and sock puppets, but apparently no RS have been found. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit request on 20 March 2024