Talk:Moldovan language

message: Hello, I would like to participate in edition of this article. I have found a very interesting source (http://ava.md/030-obshestvo/03577-yaziki-moei-strani-.html ) with numbers and statistics, which will be very useful.--Elstokin (talk) 10:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are welcome to participate, however, note that the author of that article is none other than Vasile Stati, presenting his own version of various events in a remarkably biased manner. The statistical data mentioned in the article is also already present here.  --Illythr (talk) 13:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I was thinking namely of historical references to the research as of 1776 by M.Costin, N.Milescu Spatare, D. Cantemir, and the spread of knowledge about Moldavian language, Moldavian history and Moldavian ethnology in Europe.--Elstokin (talk) 13:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  No one can forbid you working on the article just like that, see WP:BOLD. However, seeing as how Stati represents one party of the controversy, I'd advise you to be very careful about using any text authored by him in the article. Take a look at the last two archives (14 and 15) - there's been several extensive discussions about interpretation of these scholars' works. Perhaps they can help avoid needless repetition of what was written here a year ago. --Illythr (talk) 11:25, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello 

message: The above long discussion by Dazius is very interesting. In fact, international borders can lead to language splitting, as can be seen not only in Romania/Moldova, but in toher situation like North/South Korea, East/West Germany, Germany/Austria etc. These are often quite recent phenomena that supersede older traditional dialect differences such as between central and northern Romania. 
A few examples: 
* German "Januar" - Austrian German "Jänner"
* German "parken" - Swiss Standard German "parkieren"
* West German "Plastik" -East German "Plaste"
Notice that Austrian dialects of German are closely related to the neighboring Bavarian dialects, in Switzerland the dialect is closely related to that of Southwest Germany and Alsace, and dialects spoken in the former GDR are as diverse as those in the West. 
That said, the name "Moldovan" is not meant to denote the differences refered to by Dazius. Russian words in spoken Romanian are still regarded as colloquialisms by those advocating "Moldovan". As far as I understand, the literary standard is the same in both countries.  Andreas  (T) 16:11, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peculiarities of the language spoken in Moldova 

message: It has been suggested that we merge this article into Moldavian subdialect of Romanian. I must say I totally disagree, for the simple reason that these are two very distinct subjects, on all conceivable dimensions:
* The Moldovan language is not a linguistic subject. It is a political and social one, a matter of ethnic self-identification. There exists no reliable source on the Moldovan language as a language, as a linguistic subject. There are instead lots of sources published by linguists that discuss the precisely non-linguistic character of the subject, the lack of linguistic substance of the term "Moldovan language".
*On the contrary, the Moldavian subdialect of Romanian is a legitimate linguistic subject, treated in reliable sources. However, this subject doesn't have any political, social and nationalistic overtones. It is a purely scientific matter.
Moreover, what some people call Moldovan language is something else that what is called Moldavian subdialect. Moldovan language refers to the Romanian language within the Republic of Moldova territory and comprises all dialectal varieties, including the standard language (in fact, it refers especially to the standard language), which from the linguistic viewpoint is identical to the standard used in Romania. On the other hand, the Moldavian subdialect is a regional variety of Romanian, spoken not only in the Republic of Moldova, but also in the eastern part of Romania.
In short, the two articles are not even about two aspects of the same thing. They are about two different things. — AdiJapan 04:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Your last sentence answers your suggestion: two different things means two different articles. There's nothing to merge.Anonimu (talk) 08:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't my suggestion, but Codrinb's. I came here to speak against it. Actually, I would have just removed the mergeto template from the article, but I thought it would be nicer to first say why merging was a bad idea. — AdiJapan 12:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, now I understand. My bad.Anonimu (talk) 17:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested merge into [[Moldavian subdialect of Romanian]] 

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message: I ran into this article by accident and I couldn't help but notice that this article states some things that are not true.
For example: "Soviet policy emphasized distinctions between Moldovans and Romanians due to their different histories"
Moldova was part of Romania, how do they have a different history?
The facts mentioned in this article do not add up. I think this article is very biased and that it need to be rewritten from scratch.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:630:340:1006:0:0:F:4412 (talk) 16:51, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this not true? It's supported by the article Moldovenism (related: Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova), as well as the history of Moldova (see also Moldova#Modern history and Moldavia). It was not always part of Romania, and during Moldova's time in the Russian Empire, steps were taken to phase out use of the Romanian language and make Moldova more Russian. The Soviets did the same. clpo13(talk) 17:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate article 

message: Per ISO, mol is retired. I would like to mention it in the infobox next to the code itself, but I couldn't find any example on template documentation neither on any other languages ISO codes of which are marked as retired (e.g. mhv Arakanese, lmt Lematang, eni Enim; see full list of Google results). So how to do it? --Gikü (talk) 11:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The language code is retired. The language name [exists] under ron code. So it's more like "re-coded" rather than "retired".--Volta Mwamba (talk) 03:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  In the infobox, how to say it's retired? 

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message: Here is not mention about moldavian language by moldavian chronicles Grigore Ureche and Miron Costin, which was writed at 17-18 centuries,  or other historical documents about moldavian ( for ex. "moldauische Sprache" of Petru Schiopu . 1591 ), that what the article seems to be half-unscientific and politically engaged. -Ulis iz Iuga- (talk) 11:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here is no mention of moldavian chronicles 

message: It says at start that Moldovan is one name out of two for the ROMANIAN language. That cannot be correct. Looking at Maia Sandu and Igor Dodon they are whites (Caucasians) and do not have the olive complexion of Romanis. Also why would Romanian have another name and what do we mean by Romanian when we say it if Moldovan is another name? And finally, didn't Moldova use to be Soviet Union? That would mean their language is either Russian, or highly similar to Russian like a different dialect. I need some explanation before I make changes. James Parker Tom (talk) 23:22, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you should rephrase your concerns, since if your argumentation is based on complexion of some politicians rearding their skin color, as well inciting "Romanis" (sic), then here should be a confusion (btw., just really "uprofessionally" speaking, level of olive complexion is as well part of the so-called Whites/Caucausians, e.g. Mediterranians, but let's keep this discussion as much serious as possible).(KIENGIR (talk) 22:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget about these sics on my spelling. We know that the term "Roma" and "Romani" and 100% interchangeable. They do it themselves and I am well read in their sources. Obviously when yuu add "-an" to the end of it you get the demonym used for the nationality and language. But this article is not about them, it is about the claim that Moldovan, an obvious Russian language as evidenced by the fact that Moldova used to be in Russia in the days of the Soviet Union, is somehow being said to be "another name for the Romanian language". That has got to be wrong and it doesn't make sense. James Parker Tom (talk) 09:46, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not speak about that what you claim, since the topic is about "Romanians", not the other two terms you incited. This issue is continously reemering, you may bring up the case at Wikipedia:WikiProject Moldova and Wikipedia:WikiProject Romania.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:24, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanian???? 

message: My understanding is that Moldovan is the same vocabulary as Romanian, but the difference is orthography -- using Cyrillic to write the language versus Latin. Thus, spoken Moldovan and Romanian are (aside from dialects) the same, while written Moldovan is distinct from written Romanian (and requires being able to read Cyrillic).
This point is listed well down near the end of the article, with all the prior text of the article seemingly making WP:TIGER-y pains to explain away the distinctions and hand-wave the replacement of mol with ron without explanation. 
If someone were to write English in, say, Cyrillic, or Greek, or hiragana, would it still be considered English? It certainly wouldn't look like English, and an English reader would probably not be able to read it, despite it "being" English.
- Keith D. Tyler ¶ 22:38, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Moldovan is just written in Cyrillic in Transnistria, although conservative anti-West Moldovans reject the Latin alphabet and still use the Cyrillic one. I never understood that an alphabet matters in the distinction of a language. What if English started to be written in Cyrillic in 2022 and I wrote two texts, one on 31 December 2021 and another on 1 January 2022 (in different alphabets)? Would they be texts in different languages? And without inventing examples I can already give another one. Many linguists consider the Serbo-Croat languages (Serbian, Croat, Bosnian, Montenegrin) as one and even doubt the existance of some (specially Montenegrin), and these 4 languages are not differentiated by their alphabet (Bosnian and Croat use Latin, Montenegrin and Serbian use Latin and Cyrillic). Super Ψ Dro 10:23, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Randomly came across this article, why is Moldavian dialect separate from this article? Seems to be the same subject? FunkMonk (talk) 13:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah... it's extremely difficult to correctly address the issue. Not necessarily for linguistic reasons but because of all the political implications. The whole Romanian/Moldovan situation can, to some extent, be compared to Valencian/Catalan or Hindustani language/Urdu/Hindi. In my opinion merging the dialect article into the language article won't necessarily bring any improvement in terms of content or readability. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 15:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

text: It's not the same, as the Moldavian dialect is the Romanian dialect spoken across the region of Moldavia (divided between Romania, Moldova and Ukraine ) while the Moldovan language is a Soviet political fabrication that has no sense linguistically, at least traditionally. The Prut River that separates Romania and Moldova was never a dialectal division for the Romanian language. The Romanian spoken in the Republic of Moldova is not considered by linguists to be its own dialect, or subgroup of the Moldavian dialect. Moldovan is nothing but a big part of the Moldavian dialect that was cut off raw from the rest, subdialects were probably divided as well. I wouldn't worry too much about this article or about Moldovans before Moldova inevitably unites with Romania in the next years. Everything will become clearer by then, and this article will remain as something like Illyrian (South Slavic). Super Ψ Dro 20:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it by then make sense for this article to be relegated to a subsection in the Moldavian dialect article? FunkMonk (talk) 12:51, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion no. There is a reason why we have different articles for Valencian and Catalan. That being said it is not entirely accurate to claim that there are no dialectal differences between Eastern Moldavia and the Republic of Moldova ,  . Plinul cel tanar (talk) 13:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If so, they're artificial and would not have occurred naturally. I would expect the Romanian varieties in Moldova to be a set of Romanian subdialects different from each other with more in common with their the dialects of the regions in Romania immediately bordering them, but still with shared characteristics like more Russian vocabulary. I've often seen Internet maps on Romanian dialects showing Moldavia being divided from the south to the north rather than in eastern and western parts, though I cannot confirm they're reliable. Super Ψ Dro 16:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

text: No, as the political aspect of this topic can give much to write about. Maybe the best target would be Controversy over ethnic and linguistic identity in Moldova, but that should, if at all, only happen once the Moldovan language is dropped from Moldovan legislation. This is an active proposal the ruling president and party in the parliament are in favor of, so it will happen soon. Super Ψ Dro 16:09, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: So I said it could happen soon, but I didn't expect it'd be by the end of this year/start of the next... . Super Ψ Dro 22:33, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moldovan vs Romanian language 

message: There is no "moldavian language" at all.. This is purely a soviet russian invention created in order to divide people speaking the same language in Ukraine and former SSRM from those in Romania.
For instance in western Ukraine, in former imperial austrian provinces, people speaking romanian consider themselves romanians but in southern Ukraine (Odessa region ) they declare themselves as moldovans mainly.
There is no word in the so called moldavian  language that is not in the romanian language.
also. For instance: they call grapes as "poama" but this word exists in romanian language having a generic meanung of fruits not just grapes.
There are some russion imported words , as an example "kulioc" instead of "papusa" , puppet in english.  When speakung about "kuliocar" in romanian is used a french neologism "marioneta" which has the exact meaning of "papusa"..
Regional words as "papusoi" instead "porumb", corn in english, is used in other regions of Romania as well.
It's obvious that there is ni moldavian language at all and this fact should be known by everyone . Koczka17 (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moldavian language a soviet poltically invention 

message: If we're going to have an infobox, it needs to be for something. It can be for the standard, but note that it is not a dialect -- we even have a hat note to distinguish the two uses of "Moldavian". There are no language codes for Moldavian that I am aware of, only for Romanian. It is also not official in Moldova, and is not native anywhere, as standardized registers are not native to anyone. 
As for phonology, is the Moldavian standard distinct from the Romanian standard? From the comment in that section, it appears that the section is dealing with the Moldavian dialect, which is not the topic of this article. — kwami (talk) 09:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I am sorry, but who told you that the law is pending????? It was adopted in the second and last lecture in the Parliament and no more discussions on that subject will take place in Parliament (if Moldova won't be invaded by Russia), I just don't understand why you think you know better the laws in R Moldova than the official documents and sources. 
30 days is the maximum amount of time given to the local authorities to change all documents and not the time when the law will be adopted.
Below ill give a link to the parliament website because I understand that it's hard for Wikipedia Admins to search for info on the internet.
https://multimedia.parlament.md/adoptat-de-parlament-sintagma-limba-romana-va-fi-introdusa-in-toate-legile-republicii-moldova/ 188.237.249.130 (talk) 14:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Read. . "Romanian language" will be introduced in all laws of the Republic of Moldova.  "Also, within 30 days from the entry into force of the law, the public authorities with the competence to adopt, approve or issue normative acts inferior to the law will make the necessary changes." The changes are ongoing. See this . "As soon as it reaches my table I will promulgate this law." By Maia Sandu. Two days ago. It is not promulgated yet. Super Ψ Dro 14:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Jesus, I hope you understand that they put that 30 days because for some documents it may be harder to change, but in our case I really don't understand where the problem is. Daca zice clar in pula mea ca in urma semnarii care a avut loc deja, se schimba in toate legile, defapt si pana acum era tot Limba Romana din 2013, dar se permitea sa si foloseasca sintagma "limba de stat" sau "limba moldoveneasca". Prin acest proiect deja nu vor mai putea face asta bolvesivii si agentii rusi din parlament.. 188.237.249.130 (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand you're passionate about the subject but the article has to reflect the established sources. Once the laws are fully enacted by the President and it is clear that it has fully taken effect, the changes will be supported. Currently, it is not. Be patient and don't edit war, because that's against policy. There is information in the lead section already that these laws have been passed. -Teammm talk? 14:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Yes, and it is since even 2013 the official since then. What kind of sources do you need, on all government websites its called Romanian? 188.237.249.130 (talk) 13:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official language 

message: change parliament to parliament Tomkeane93 (talk) 12:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lightoil (talk) 12:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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