Talk:Craic

message: Often what happens... particularly in the America's, craic is often mistaken for crack as in "I went to the pub lat night and had great craic (crack)" - Unsigned post by 129.215.100.131.
...but when I was growing up, using the word regularly, I wouldn't have dreamed of spelling it 'craic' - it was 'crack'.  I think this is a re-spelling to suit an Irish-American audience, for just the reason stated above.  But maybe I'm just too anglicised. Ø- Unsigned post by 172.202.54.143.
Yes, the original and correct spelling is "crack". The term has been hijacked by the Irish and renamed to "craic". - Unsigned post by 81.129.64.13.
The word CRAIC is an acronym in the Irish language meaning:-
Ceol(Music) Rince(Dance) Amhrain(Songs) Inis Scealta(Storytelling) Cainte(Gossip)
All components of a good time Irish style!
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Thats complete rubbish, your article makes no sense, maybe you have something up your crack thats impairing your thought processes!  Its an irish word and in its translation from gaelic has been subsequently spelt craic - Unsigned post by 82.39.160.58.
The above paragraph is nonsense.  If it was truly of Irish Gaelic origin, its English version would not be spelled C-R-A-I-C.  In all probabilty, it would've been spelt criagh!
:The site http://www.hiberno-english.com/ under  says this:
:>n. v. entertaining chat, sport; to have fun. The Irish word 'craic' is the EMod.E loanword 'crack' < ME crak (often used in the pl., e.g., in Edmund Spenser's Faerie Queene (1590-1596), 'vain-glorious crakes', bk 2, canto 11, line 8) respelt to fit Irish spelling conventions. 'The crack was ninety', The entertainment was really good; 'There does be great craic in the pub of a Saturday night when it's packed to the doors'; Friel, Translations, Act 1, FDA 3, 1230: "Doalty: 'You never saw such crack in your life, boys, Johnston, Shadows on Our Skin, 111: "'I'm sorry if I muscled in on Saturday. Did I spoil your crack?'", Doyle, The Van, 165: "This was good crack. Sharon handed him the bag."<
:Being university professors and all that they're probably an unreliable source;-)
:84.135.209.254 13:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much for that bit of research! However, I notice that none of those meanings retain the meaning with which it's used in Ireland; namely, fun. Are you suggesting that those were the original usages or that the word evolved from those meanings into the word we have today? Blackcap (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Since no-one since my note over three years ago has been able to defend the suggestion that 'crack' has an Ulster-Scots origin, I'm going to remove it. Cooke (talk) 01:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The line you removed was sourced, to the OED. The OED says it entered into common Irish English from Scots in Ulster; clearly the earliest use in Irish English would have been in the areas near the Scots-speaking regions.--Cúchullain t/c 01:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: I'm from Tyne and Wear and Geordie speakers use the term in this exact same context. When they meet they will ask
"What's the craic?" and state that something is "Bad Craic" if it is undesirable. I've also seen it written down, so I know that
Geordies spell it 'C-R-A-I-C'. There's a magazine in Newcastle which gives local music/theatre/Film/Event listings and its called 'The Crack'. Worth mentioning that the word is used so commonly in North East England?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.153.52 (talk) 17:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Craic in North East of England

message: Examples of its use in Older Scots  and . 84.135.255.115 12:48, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks very much for that bit of research! However, I notice that none of those meanings retain the meaning with which it's used in Ireland; namely, fun. Are you suggesting that those were the original usages or that the word evolved from those meanings into the word we have today? Blackcap (talk) 13:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Since no-one since my note over three years ago has been able to defend the suggestion that 'crack' has an Ulster-Scots origin, I'm going to remove it. Cooke (talk) 01:28, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The line you removed was sourced, to the OED. The OED says it entered into common Irish English from Scots in Ulster; clearly the earliest use in Irish English would have been in the areas near the Scots-speaking regions.--Cúchullain t/c 01:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Borrowing by the [[Ulster Scots language]] 

message: 82.3.81.225 asserts in his last edit summary that "craic" comes from the English/Scots "crack," rather than the Irish "craic." However, as I see no evidence of this, and some evidence to the contrary, I've reverted it back to the older version until this is cleared up. First, the Urban Dictionary's definition claims it comes from Irish, as do the other, less trustworthy sources I've found. I've seen it listed many times as an Irish word. I don't know if that's from systemic bias or not, but barring any evidence saying the opposite, I think it should stay as is. If there's a fluent Irish speaker out there who could tell us, that'd be most helpful. --Blackcap | talk 02:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've contacted Stifle, who has a notice on his user page saying that he is a fluent Irish speaker. Hopefully he'll be able to shed some light on the issue... I've also left a post on the Irish Wikipedians' notice board. --Blackcap | talk 07:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: O.K.! Please see this discussion: Wikipedia talk:Irish Wikipedians' notice board#Craic origins? Blackcap | talk 17:00, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Everything I know indicates that craic is simply an Irish spelling of the word "crack" used to mean "fun" only. Craic is the only way it is spelled in Ireland now; I have not seen either version used outside of Ireland. Hope this helps. Stifle 21:31, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps it's not spelled correctly in the areas of Ireland you're familiar with. In Northern Ireland though, it had retained the original spelling up until at least the 1990s. Not that it was written down much, which is part of the problem. --82.21.97.70 (talk) 20:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

text: O.K. I'll add that into the article soon, probably tomorrow. I want to see if I hear anything more from WP:IWNB first... if I don't, I'll throw that in and churn it up. Blackcap | talk 23:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Followed on over here from Irish Wikipedians' - must say I'm not familiar at all with the "bad craic" version of the phrase. It's certainly not common here in Ireland. The ones most people would be familar with would be "The craic was ninety", which kinda died out in the '70s. It's been made famous by this song made famous by Christy Moore. That, and "what's the craic?" - equivalent of "'sup?", I guess - Ali-oops✍ 00:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  "must say I'm not familiar at all with the "bad craic" version of the phrase. It's certainly not common here in Ireland." Actually, it's very commonly used here in Ireland. Particularly in Northern Ireland, where the word was retained. The word wasn't used in the Republic of Ireland hardly at all, until the 1990s. In fact, I knew a guy when I went to uni who was from either Galway or Sligo, who used to delight in using the word, because it was new to him; he loved it; it was his way of ingratiating himself with the slightly different culture he was living in. Never had any bad crack with the fella. :) --82.21.97.70 (talk) 20:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

text: It would be great if you could add that into the article. No one at all uses it here in the States, so I don't know that much about it, apart from what I hear from other Irish-Americans. Do you happen to know anything about how the phrase came about (i.e. why it started being spelled "craic" rather than "crack"), or anything about the origins? Blackcap | talk 01:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh dear, perhaps I have been a little too bold. Anyway, I too am a fluent Irish speaker (at least on good days) and grew up in Dublin, and when I was growing up way back in the 80s it was always thought of as an English word and spelt in English. I don;t know when exactly the annoying (to me at least) pseudo-Irish craic started appearing in English, but I think it was around the time that crack (the drug) started appearing in America, and I've often heard it said that that was the reason people started using the pseudo-Irish form. Alternatively, it could just be a twee gaelicisation to try and make the whole thing seem like an intrinsically Irish concept and a unique and essential part of Irish culture. (I don't know why this issue annoys me so strongly!) Hope that helps and doesn;t enrage anyone, as most of my recent edits across Wikipedia seem to have. Palmiro | Talk 01:56, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard "bad crack", but I think only from Northern people. Palmiro | Talk 01:58, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's really because it was retained in the North, and barely ever used in the South. It's kinda like the word quare, which can mean multiple things depending on context. "That was a quare day!", without context, is ambiguous. It could mean bad weather, good weather, a strenuous day, a strange day.. anything really. The word crack isn't really specifically about 'fun' in any case. That's just how it's been interpreted in the Republic in more recent years. It's really about a sense of community, a social gathering etc. Interestingly, a common hypothesis is that it comes from a mispronunciation of the word queer. I struggle to believe that, because I can't see how 'queer' could be pronounced 'quare' in my own Irish accent. However, given that queer meant 'strange' or 'weird', I can see how that might lend itself to that theory. --82.21.97.70 (talk) 20:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

text: Not at all. It's a fine edit you've made. Pseudo-anything intrinsically pisses me off, so don't worry about it, I can appreciate the feeling. I've changed "crack" back to "craic," as that's the more common usage, it seems, not to mention the name of the article. If we're going to call it "crack" in an article about "craic," then we should probably move the article to something such as Crack (Ireland). If it is more correctly "crack," then we should have a source on that, and change the article title. It would be a good thing, since you obviously know more about this the I do, if you could add in more about its psuedo-Irish past/present. If you don't feel like it, I'll try and extrapolate out something from your post, but it will probably turn out better if you do it yourself. Thanks! Blackcap | talk 02:09, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I suppose "craic" is justified, although it is wrong;). Thank you for the kind remarks, mostly people have been saying unpleasant things about me lately ("1950s communist" I could laugh at, but "passing off Marxist analysis as fact" really pissed me off). I don;t have any firm knowledge or source available to me, and I'm a long way from Dublin now, in Damascus to be precise, where historical works on the Irish language and Hiberno-English are hard to come by. But I'll keep an eye on it and might have a look around the internet. Palmiro | Talk 02:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds grand. Don't worry, it looks to me like you're making fine edits. Enjoy your stay in Damscus, mate, and I'll see you around. Blackcap | talk 04:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting over word origin 

message: I've lived in Northern Ireland for over 20 years, and I've never heard the phrase "Bad Craic". Can anyone back this up? jamiemcc 20:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard it in Cork and Dublin... Snoutwood (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I've often heard it in Dundalk and it's probably common further North as well. "That's bad craic" means "That's bad form", or "That's not acceptable behaviour." For example, if some one is cheating with his friend's girlfriend. antnix 23:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Craic

message: (migrated from Wikipedia talk:Irish Wikipedians' notice board)
Can anyone shed some light on the roots of the word craic? There's some differences in opinion, it seems.... My Irish isn't nearly good enough to know, and I can't seem to find any definitive sources. Anyone who's got a copy of the OED or a good Irish dictionary who'd be willing to tell me what they find there I'd be most grateful towards. Blackcap | talk 07:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not Irish! Its a 16th century english word that fell out of use in England. Interestingly, an Irish friend of mine who lives in Dresden says that there is a german word with nearly the same meaning and usage. Seabhcán 09:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Exactly what I wanted to know... Do you have a source for that, or know the original English word? Do you know the German word? Blackcap | talk 16:54, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I've fixed the article to reflect this. This is one piece of pseudo-Irish that really annoys me. Palmiro | Talk 01:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice edit. I've changed "crack" back to "craic," as that's the more common usage, it seems, not to mention the name of the article. If we're going to call it "crack" in an article about "craic," then we should probably move the article to something such as Crack (Ireland). If it is more correctly "crack," then we should have a source on that, and change the article title. Blackcap | talk 02:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one ref - BBC and here's one for the German word gaeltacht.info. That site suggests that the german word 'Krach' means a 'Crash' or 'noise', closer to the modern english word 'crack'. However, my friend in Dresden says it is also used to describe a good night out. Seabhcán 09:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So what should we make of this? Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just that it's been successfully imported into Irish :) --Ryano 10:41, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And is therefore no more a "piece of pseudo-Irish" than hundreds of orhter loan words are. It is now a fully assimilated Irish word. That's language for you. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think when it appears in English in the new Irish spelling pretending to be a word of Irish origins, then the term "pseudo-Irish" is justified. Palmiro | Talk 14:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, the change from crack to craic in Irish is natural, but the change from the English "crack" to the gaelicised form "craic" in English usage in Ireland is a very unusual thing, and seems to coincide with a belief that the word expresses something intangibly peculiar to Irish culture (and maybe it does, but the use of an Irish spelling in English suggests that the word is of Irish origin, and lots of people now seem to believe that and it reinforces the belief that the concept is one peculiar to Ireland, despite the word apparently being in fact of English origin). Not sure, any more, if I am even making sense! Palmiro | Talk 15:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I see what you mean: it's usual to have a word change when it's incorporated into another language, but highly unusual to have a word change in the parent language when the word is borrowed. Blackcap (talk) 16:21, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Craic origins? 

message: The vocative seems rather... unlikely! Palmiro | Talk 12:41, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it does... I guess they just wanted a full set. *grin* Blackcap (talk) 18:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link 

message: Could someone knowledgeable add the pronounciation of this word to the article? -- stillnotelf has a talk page 07:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, it's pronounced "crack" (that's the original word, too), but I don't know the IPA well enough at all to figure out what it is in that. I don't really have time right now, but when I get a chance and if no one else does I'll add in that brief bit. Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 17:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the IPA a couple of days ago. Iolar Iontach 21:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation? 

message: Is there any need for the single quotes around the word Irish in the article? It seems to me that the single quotes makes the article appear POV. Whatever the origin of the word, I believe it has most definately been adopted into the Irish language and is most definately a genuine word. The single quotes makes it appear as though either the Irish language itself, or the use of this word within it, is somehow in doubt. --Mal 08:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Blackcap (talk) 08:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Exactly right, I'm glad you think that. They've been removed. Snoutwood (talk) 04:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish language 

message: I notice that no mention seems to be made of the movie The Craic, details of which can be found on the following sites: 
*IMDB entry 
*page from writer's official website.
I will leave it to those who are more informed about the word than myself to decide how to incorporate a mention of this movie into the article, but I definitely think it should be done. Zerrakhi 15:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Craic]] (movie) 

message: *Removed story about craic, as Wikipedia is not a collection of stories, but an encyclopedia. ♠PMC♠ 19:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Story

message: Dickens used 'crack' to mean better / superior / amazing in Great Expectations, published in 1860. He may have got it from the original (book) about Tom and Jerry, Pierce Egan's Life in London (1820-21); Egan was an Irish writer. 'Craic' spelled as such is a neologism, and so what? - all words started somewhere. Not used in my Irish lessons in the 1960s.Red Hurley 16:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dickens almost certainly didn't learn that sense of the word "crack" from Egan; it's in OED (which defines it as meaning "Pre-eminent, superexcellent, ‘first-class’") with the earliest citation being from 1793 in Arthur Young's Annals of Agriculture. The citation glosses "crack" as a provincial term used in Suffolk to mean "excellent." 65.213.77.129 (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use by [[Charles Dickens]]

message: I made the sentence on Dwelly more precise, and left it in until a consensus is arrived at, but that book by Daniel Cassidy is, on the whole, a pile of claptrap, where he takes words and phrases and essentially postulates their origin in Irish on the basis that something in Irish sounds vaguely similar, and nothing else.  The 'cnacair' is a point in case: Dwelly suggests nothing of the sort, simply showing that the Gaelic word cnacair/cracaire (and pronounced 'cracker' more or less) means talker.  But guess what? Cracker means 'talker' in Scots as well, and has cognates in other Germanic languages, unlike Gaelic. Cripipper (talk) 20:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cassidy and Dwelly

message: User:Thumperward has moved this from :Crack (craic) to :Craic, and then added an inappropriate  tag which, as it happens, prevents anyone from moving it back. jnestorius(talk) 22:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't prevent the article from being moved actually, it just means that a requested move will be needed rather than move warring. And the tag looks fairly appropriate to me, as no one calls it "crack (craic)", but since the article was located there for so long that it would be unproductive to delete it. At any rate the craic spelling has made it into the OED, so there's no further room for arguing against it as incorrect or not a real English word (there is, of course, still room to argue that it is derived from provincial misinformation, but that doesn't get us very far ;) ).--Cúchullain t/c 13:23, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "At any rate the craic spelling has made it into the OED, so there's no further room for arguing against it as incorrect or not a real English word".... This non-sequitur suggests that you have no notion of how the OED works, Cúchullain. Cooke (talk) 22:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How so? Like any dictionary of English, the OED does not tell people how they should use words, it reports how they do use them (much as we do with our encyclopedia articles). Once a word starts appearing in dictionaries, it's a good indication that they are established in the language. Of course, whether "craic" or "crack" is the more common form is a different matter.--Cúchullain t/c 01:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved to Craic 

message: As the article shows, the actual spelling is crack, craic is a late 20th century gaelicisation of the word. The name of this article was changed to 'craic' by a anon editor and then locked for a time. This is nonsense, change it to crack.87.114.78.171 (talk) 21:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It couldn't be changed to crack, that's a disambiguation page. It was previously at crack (craic), which hardly seems like a great option either. It shouldn't be moved again without going through a requested move to garner consensus. And there isn't an "actual" spelling; both spellings are used and appear in the dictionary. And for better or worse "craic" appears to be more common at this point.--Cúchullain t/c 23:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I am from Northern Ireland, it's almost always spelt "craic". When it's spelt "Crack" it's usually refering to the drug. Skyifictionable (talk) 23:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename article to Crack

message: The cited source does not include the additional information re-added, for instance, . What it does say is "Fun, amusement; entertaining company or conversation... Freq. with the". The entry for "crack, 5c, indicates that the word is used in Anglo-Irish and that it means "Fun, amusement; mischief. Freq. in phr. for the crack, for fun." According to the other sources, the older use in Northern England meaning "news" and "gossip" is from the 19th century; none of the sources indicate that it is still in use there or that it retains the meaning "news" and "gossip". The OED does not mention Northern England at all; it says "The English word was apparently introduced from Scots into Irish English via Ulster in the mid 20th century and subsequently borrowed into Irish."--Cúchullain t/c 15:00, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the reason for removing the quote, as was done here. My edit also updated the link, as the old one was broken, but this too was reverted. Can you explain?--Cúchullain t/c 14:28, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The OED does list "Brisk talk, conversation; pl. news. Sc. and north. dial." as one of the definitions of the word "Crack" (5a). However, it doesn't specifically link that usage with the "craic" entry (that is identified with sense "5c"). Perhaps we can work on the wording. However clearly we can't just add all senses of the word "crack" - and obviously reverting to broken links isn't particularly helpful.--Cúchullain t/c 15:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good stuff. Bryccan (talk) 15:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is your fourth revert today. Please restore the previous version before you are blocked, and engage in this discussion so we can move forward with improving the article. Can you provide the quote from the dictionary you've added?Cúchullain t/c 16:05, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  That isn't a revert, and it's sourced. To quote p. 79: "Most people in the English-speaking world will recognise phrases such as What's the craic? (in the sense of 'news/gossip')". But yous all can block me or whatever, go for it. I'm not interested in any discussion as you've decided to ignore the source provided from the OED for disingenuous reasons. To make things absolutely clear: I'm not contesting or editing the introduction from this point on, your version can stay. I'm not interested. Move "forward" at your leisure. Bryccan (talk) 16:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Introductory sentence

message: After reading this article, there seems to me to be a clear divide between "crack" (meaning news/gossip/etc) and "craic" (meaning fun/etc).  Language evolves, despite what purists would like, and although the common lineage/etymology of the words is clear, it HAS now evolved into two distinct uses/meanings with two spellings that differentiate them.  Shouldn't the article utilise this fact to introduce more clarity and balance?  Currently it is necessary to read through ~75% of the article before uncovering the modern reality. LookingGlass (talk) 11:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simplify? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I've tried to update this before but it keeps getting reverted. This is not just an Irish word. Yes, Ireland is a bigger and more famous place but it is also a very common word in the north of england. We've even a local magazine called such
http://www.thecrackmagazine.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.46.214.49 (talk) 15:29, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ironically the North of England is actually more than likely where the word originated. Take a look at the article for Dance Ti Thy Daddy - verse one, line three of the song. Attested to 1826, published in 1849, and used in the British TV show of the 1970s When the Boat Comes In. The song's origins are, like the magazine, from North (-East) England. So really, you should be talking about "not just in England", but in Ireland and Scotland too! Of course, the spelling of the word in the original English is 'crack'. Before the English language had evolved somewhat, the addition of the 'c' before the 'k' was introduced, meaning that the word was previously spelled crakk or crak or even with an initial 'k' instead of the 'c'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.97.70 (talk) 01:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Read the very next paragraph in the article then, where it already discusses this and the word's use in Scotland. However the article regards how it has gained wider prominence by being adopted as a pseudo Irish Gaelic term, with the consequent fake spelling, hence the name of the article. It might be annoying but it is what it is. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:44, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Believe me, I'm very aware of the history of this article on Wikipedia, and of the insistence of some that it's originally a Gaelic word! Thanks for re-writing history, Guinness! --82.21.97.70 (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Your knowledge of even your own recent history at this article is hazey for starters. Your comment was inserted above mine only last month, two and half years after my one. Clearly I was addressing the initial - and at the time only - post in this thread, not you. As the article makes it perfectly clear that Gaelic usage is recent and the origin is Scots and Northern English, the re-writing of history you claim to be in the article is simply not present. Can I remind you that, per WP:NOTFORUM "Wikipedia is not a place to publish your own thoughts and analyses or to publish new information", in regard to your new section below, and "article talk pages exist solely to discuss how to improve articles; they are not for general discussion about the subject of the article". I'm of half a mind to remove your posts. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Not just in Ireland

message: I'm afraid this article doesn't seem to be aware of the many and varied contexts in which teh word is used. Although the word itself has been used by pubs and Guiness etc (and I think even both Irish tourish boards) only specifically in the context of 'fun', the word itself can be modified by context. For example, "bad crack", as in, "That was some bad crack last night!" is often used.
So the lede seems to be giving mislede-ing(!) people.
I compared it above to the word quare. If you say, "That was a quare day!", that could mean anything from it was really sunny and warm, to there were blizzards or gale-force winds.
Crack is really just a description of a social setting, and social settings can be fun... or not fun. A couple of examples:
* "That was good crack in the pub last night - we should head out again tomorrow night!" [Positive]
* "Stay away from yer woman - she's bad crack!" [Negative]
* What's the crack with yer man?[Query, neutral]
I hope that makes it clearer! Maybe I'll try my hand at editing the article, though I doubt I'll get very far, considering very few people who edit Wikipedia have an upbringing in Northern Ireland, where the word has been in continual usage for maybe a hundred years. Systemic bias, I think it's called. I imagine it would be very difficult to source this also and, given how strict Wikipedia can be (often at the expense of the sky being blue!), I'm not sure how I'd go about this. Perhaps someone can offer some advice. This is, after all, decades of personal knowledge - but Wikipedia doesn't allow an editor to be a source. While that makes sense for the most part, in this case all it does is reinforce the systemic bias. --82.21.97.70 (talk) 21:17, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You've answered your own question. Please do not add material that is your claimed personal knowledge; Original research has no place here. See also my comment at the section above. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fun, entertainment, enjoyable? 

message: "The word crack is derived from the Middle English crak"
Not really true due to the earliest reference coming the Scots language "Thow hes vs baneist, thow hes vs fleit fra crakkis;" with that looking very different from typical middle english which could be rendederd as "Thou has banished us, thou has ran fleed from crackes;"
An important edit that must be made.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScotCuchullin (talk • contribs) 18:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The earliest ref you may know of. What is your source for it being so? There are multiple refs  earlier than that, in Scots, quite possibly also in English dialects for all I know. Mutt Lunker (talk) 19:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: The repeated addition of the WP:OR that the term derives from "creccaire" adds a purported source that does not even mention "crack" or "craic", let alone make any link as to the origin. The wording of the other purported source is not linked so not clear, despite an edit summary request for its provision, so there is no assurance that it supports the assertion either. You have also repeatedly blanked material sourced to the Oxford English Dictionary. Per WP:BRD, you were bold, you were reverted, the onus is on you to discuss here, make your case and, if you can support it and gain consensus, it can be added. Mutt Lunker (talk) 09:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the reliability of the sources provided that is in question, it's their pertinence. You are using them to support an assertion about the origin of the term craic/crack. One definitively does not address the term or its origin and you have repeatedly failed to respond to requests to provide the text of the other. Please revert, discuss and prove that your other source discusses the origin of the term and supports your assertion. Your warring is not likely to end well for you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 15:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research re "creccaire"