Talk:Bevin Boys

message: I believe Bevin is actually spelled "BEVAN"...someone should double-check this and make it easier to search.
thanks,
71.211.167.248 05:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorrect -- read the article, they are named after Ernest Bevin. – ukexpat (talk) 13:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The boys 

message: If anyone is still working on this page, there are two new BBC articles on the Bevin Boys that you could use:
Brown honours wartime Bevin Boys and 
'Rough, tough' life of a Bevin Boy JoelUK (talk) 15:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sources available 

message: I can just about remember the Bevin Boys and seem to recall that there were large numbers of Bevin Boys who were perfectly fit for Active Service but had to be rejected from mining for Claustrophobia reasons.AT Kunene (talk) 12:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rejects 

message: The origins of the Bevin Boys is more complex than the article describes. With the outbreak of WW2 the government almost immediately introduced the Reserved Occupation status for skilled industrial workers. These were categories considered essential to the war effort and therefore exempt from all military service and on that list were coal miners.
Upon receiving mobilisation orders any RO was then supposed to apply for exemption. In the case of the miners, large numbers saw this as an excellent opportunity to escape from the regular disputes with the mine ownwers and simply didn't apply for their entitled exemption.
By the time wartime government woke up to large numbers of miners escaping from the coal face it was too late to get them back and the Bevin Boys was the legacy of this mass escape. 
How successful the scheme really was is open to dispute. I can just remember this period and was to hear many tales of BBs unable to cope with the conditions deep underground and local communities totally despising the incoming BBs. 
For those unable to cope with the nderground conditions there was little else around any colliery as most above ground jobs would be held by local men above the usual age for military service.AT Kunene (talk) 12:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escaped 

message: Coal mining isn’t exactly safe; are there any records of casualties? Or a comparison of the risks involved? There’s a good chance being a Bevin Boy was more dangerous than if they had actually gone into the Armed Forces.
Also, does anyone know what happened in WWI? If anything there was more demand for coal then, yet a lot of miners went into the army; was there a similar scheme in WWI? Moonraker12 (talk) 09:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: 1 (a)	Should Jimmy Savile remain on this list?
One must assume that men chosen by lot will include the same proportion of sinners as the general population.  It is therefore almost certain that there will be murderers and rapists among former Bevin Boys. Why mention Savile only? The only reason I can see is that he is by far the best-known serious malefactor who was a BB, and for completeness all well-known (for good or evil) Bevin Boys should be listed. The reason for his removal is that this should be a list celebrating the subsequent achievements of BBs.
1 (b)	Jimmy Savile - why "Sir"?
It is normal practice to remove all titles and honorifics when a person dies (Ref. 1), unless it is necessary to identify them, or it is otherwise relevant. If Savile's name is to remain on the list, please remove the "Sir". Identification in this case is NOT necessary.  If Savile were alive now, it is certain that he would have been stripped of that honour anyway.
2	Adding honorifics
The following two gentlemen are happily still with us:
   Brian Rix should be Lord Brian Rix.
   
   Peter Schaffer should be Sir Peter Schaffer
3	Showing achievement
You have added (Lord) [your brackets] before the late Paul Hamlyn.  I would not quibble with that, despite the recommendation in Reference 1, as it emphasizes the recognition accorded to some Bevin Boys.
   Please add (Sir) to Stanley Bailey - and perhaps add "Chief Constable".
Item 1 (a) is IMPORTANT and for decision.
Items 2 & 3 should be implemented as a courtesy to the two living Bevin Boys and a tribute to the two dead ones.
References
1	The Economist Style Guide : Part I : Section T : Titles
2	For named Individuals, see the Internet links already given in this Wiki entry in section 4 "Notable Bevin Boys"
80.229.167.229 (talk) 20:54, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: unless someone goes back through history and removes him from participating as a Bevins Boy, then we will report him as a Bevin Boy. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

text: I agree. For consistency, none of those listed should have their honorific included, or all should. In this instance, it's probably easiest to remove the 'Sir' from before the name of Jimmy Savile rather than include the honorifics for everyone else.121.222.58.52 (talk) 04:05, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Bevin Boys: Removal of name; and Titles 

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