Talk:Lorenzo Borghese

message: Is it just me, or does the end of the biography section just sound like a synopsis of the final episode of The Bachelor? This really needs fixed by someone who knows more about him and has references. Sleepsong (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bachelor 

message: I object to the title of prince for this individual since Italy does not recognize princes anymore. I am certain the Vatican does not grant hereditary princely titles (anymore), but I do not know if they are awarded for actions. I removed large section on ancestry, since the article already links to the Borghese family.
Rococo1700 (talk) 02:53, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian titles of Nobility do not exist

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message: The edit re-added the Borghese family history by stating: I manage this page for Mr. Borghese. He would like to make sure that his family history is current on his page and does not want me to manage all other pages referring to his family's history so please leave it on this page.
First of all, Wikipedia does not care much at all about what Mr Borghese wants, as long as the information in the entry is truthful. Thank you for relaying his wishes, but you need to find other reasons to insert this information in the article. 
Second, I do not think Wikipedia wishes for entries in encyclopedia to be autobiographic. I agree that Mr Borghese can and should point out inaccuracies or falsehoods in the article. But that is not the issue at hand.
While he may be a descendant of the Borghese family, and that is worth including in his article, all the great achievements in the world by his ancestors do not add to Mr Borghese's achievements or his biography. It would be a falsehood or inaccuracy to state that. You can add an external reference to the line that states member of the prominent noble Borghese family, and have that reference extoll the wonders of the Borghese and Napoleon. Or just leave the link to the Borghese family, and those with interest pursue the fact. I am hesitant to even call this a "noble family" at present, since Under the Italian Constitution adopted in 1948, titles of nobility are not legally recognised.
Please, if you wish to revert again for the reasons you expressed, then we should seek mediation or input by other external editorsRococo1700 (talk) 01:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Troubling edit by Boardroom09 on family ancestry

message: In response to your edit Wikipedia has an Ancestry Section for the purpose to include one's Ancestry. Secondly, the nobility titles are actually still in existence and the documents can be found in Rome. If the titles truly didn't exist Prince Borghese's Grandmother, Princess Marcella Borghese, could not have named her cosmetic brand using her title when she launched it in 1958 with the permission of the Pope. The title has nothing to do with Italy but rather the Vatican Church which still recognizes Papal titles.
::You are wrong. See Papal nobility. I quote: With Paul VI, who responded in Pontificalis Domus to the formal Christmas message of the patriciate by declaring that the papal nobility would no longer be a constituent body in the papal court, the custom of conferring noble titles such as Count, Marquis, Duke or Prince essentially disappeared. In other words, Princess Marcella Borghese, may have been a princess in her day, but Lorenzo is not. Again, the ancestry section is not required in a live person's biography. It is ok to link to his ancestry, but a whole section about other people's lives is not relevant.Rococo1700 (talk) 15:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You are wrong. If this were true, once again, Princess Marcella Borghese would have had her title taken away from her before launching her cosmetic's line in 1958 (with the blessing of the Pope).  It is true that the Pope can no longer provide families with titles, but the titles in existence remained. The titles "essentially disappeared" because they were no longer granted and some family lines disappeared.  The titles are documented in Rome (Prince Borghese's side of the family received 5 titles).  I appreciate you looking into this matter and trying to keep pages accurate. Regarding the ancestry section i was unaware but thank you for the explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boardroom09 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Pontificalis Domus was emitted in 1968, before Lorenzo's birth. He thus is not recognized as a prince by any government. Again when you say documented in Rome; what official document presently can you cite that documents Mr Borghese as a prince? Again he may descend from people who were granted titles, but that does not carry official imprimatur today. There is almost certainly hereditary pretenders to multiple thrones in Europe (Jacobites, Carlist, etc), (but alas), it is a fading arcane echo of self-promotion for many.Rococo1700 (talk) 17:13, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to Troubling Edit Rococo1700 

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message: Removed a bunch of unsourced stuff for YEARS (per tags too). If this doesn't mean WP standards, may have to go to.Lihaas (talk) 18:22, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noteworthiness 

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