Talk:Overlord (2007 video game)

message: The article is very short for a game weeks away from being released. I don't know if anyone has been either editing this game or removing anything posted here but please help improve this article. I'll try my best adding things to this article. Hugh000270 09:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub

message: This article desperately needs a rewrite; it's clear that whoever edited it is a fan, but it's still rather poorly written. MagicFlyinLemur 21:21, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Unfortunately, many videogame articles suffer from these things, especially second-person perspective, which is a pet hate of mine. Regardless, I spent a while on the article earlier, and I feel I mostly fixed it. Feel free to do any other changes if you want, or to keep your eye on the article. :) --Dreaded Walrus  t c 13:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up. :( --Dreaded Walrus  t c 05:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks much better now than before. I've made my own set of changes, but I think the article still needs a bit more fine-tuning. --theSpectator talk 18:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: The pictures and concept of this game seem remeniscent of Dungeon Keeper, and I see it listed on "See Also", but I'm curious what the connection between the two is- spiritual successor? Same development team? Homage? Does anyone know? Darien Shields 01:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dungeon Keeper Connection? 

message: Could people please leave the spelling as British English.  So far as I can tell, based on the comment in the page source, the article was written in British English originally, so it should be left as such.  The fact that it's published by a British publisher and written by a Dutch studio are also a pretty compelling reasons to use British English.  If I'm wrong feel free to tell me. Hikari 18:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: Where is stated, definitively?  It's more likely that he represents lust (over Jewel).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.58.204.226 (talk • contribs).
:Sir William represents lust.  It's pretty obvious in the game.Elwood00 T | C 13:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Khan represents wrath as he is vengeful over the caputre of Jewl. Wrath is sometimes called "revenge" by some. He wanted to deal wrath upon the overlord. Stabby Joe 12:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In Spree it is even said that the only reason Khan started his rampage was to get back at the Overlord. --69.85.152.178 21:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Isn't it obvious? Wrath of Khan? :P Sturmtiger 23:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on how many references to other works there are in this game, I wouldn't put that past them. ~  PHDrillSergeant...§ 20:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I thought Khan was supposed to be a parodic representation of Games Workshop's Warhammer 40.000 character Kharn the Betrayer (who was all about wrath and berserking). I mean, he basically already looks like a Chaos Space Marine, even with the horns and everything. The only thing different is his colouring and his helmet design. Follow this link for more reference images http://images.google.no/images?hl=no&q=kharn&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Anyway, that's my understanding of it and I find it pretty amusing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.213.47.203 (talk) 07:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khan represents wrath? 

message: Can someone add in a spoiler warning for the Wizard's description. That just ruined the ending for me.
* I'd be inclined to mark the entire Characters section, given they're revealed as you go through the game.  Hikari 20:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:SPOILER. If you're reading a section which gives an overview of a plot, you'd expect it to have spoilers in it. A spoiler template would simply be a waste of space. Una LagunaTalk 08:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler 

message: ...but I don't quite know how to add one.
I added this paragraph to the Updates section:
A patch has been released for the PC version of the game, which updates the software to version 1.1 and fixes a number of bugs (both minor and game-breaking), and a 1.2 patch is in development. XBox360 users will eventually be able to download the same updates, but (as of 7/16/2007) no 360 patches have yet been released. This delay is largely due to strict content verification on XBox Live, as well as differing technical processes involved in patching a PC game, versus an X360 game.
The source is here: http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=199534&page=1&pp=10
That's the official company forum; the bit in question I'm referring to is some quoted text, around the middle of the third page. 207.96.8.128 02:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edit needs a citation.... 

message: I just looked through the PC Instruction Manual and didn't see this.  Was it in the Xbox one? Thanos6 05:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the line anyway - the colour-definition is little more than a game-mechanic and describing him as a green when he.. isn't seems odd. It adds nothing to the article so it's not worth messing around with. QuagmireDog 15:33, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gnarl as Green Minion 

message: There is no mention anywhere on this article of critical opinion, of any kind. It would be nice to see some percentages, marks out of five, or whatever else. Obviously, this would require citations. Tartan Nutter 12:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gamespot gave it a weighted score of 7.5, which, afaict, is the combination of the critique score and the average user score (8.0 and 7.0 respectively).  That's the only score I know of, off hand - if someone wants to do a critical reception section they'll need to pool resources from a few more places.  Might be an idea to mention critical and player response. Hikari 20:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A section like this won't be a problem, I'll make a start at some point (though I'm no expert writer, citing web pages is something I do a lot of).QuagmireDog 10:51, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I advise suing Game Rankings to get an overall score average, and despite what other will probably edit first - Metacritic doesn't have enough game reviews. Stabby Joe 13:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critical response? 

message: So from what I'm hearing - from my EB Games guys - is that there is no more stock of this game in Australia. Can anyone confirm this? And should it be noted in the article? Something like "Huge Demand" - I don't know, just seemed slightly noteworthy considering the lack of media attention the game got, compared with the demand and subsequent sell out of stock. ABVS1936 08:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think you can say "huge demand" without knowing exactly how many units they've actually shifted, otherwise all you can reasonably say is "larger than expected demand".  It could also just be a supply chain issue.  So, yes, we need more information on the nature of the shortage, once we have that it will be easier to decide if it's noteworthy enough to go in the article. Hikari 08:34, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's original research unless somebody has specifically done the math and its been published by a reliable source. Keep an eye out for any information regarding that, but I'd strongly advise against trying to form article text out of something you hear on the grapevine. QuagmireDog 15:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks QuagmireDog, was mentioning it here before being "bold" on the article - checking on my own info first. I agree, we should keep an eye out, both here and on the 'net re: reliable sources producing this info, and making sure it's verifyable. ABVS1936 18:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Latest News - Austraila

message: How is this related to Fable? Apart from both being RPGs? 14:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently the Overlord's corruption level is similar to a system in Fable. I've removed the 'similar games' section anyway, it seems that only a facet of Overlord is similar to them, and finding similar games is what categories are for. I've removed the mention from the text too, if a reader hasn't played Overlord or the game its being compared with, the text is saying "this thing you know nothing about is also like this other thing you know nothing about". Not very helpful. QuagmireDog 15:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I've reinstated the text in the article itself, but specifically inline with the characters' appearance. With a citation, it should be fine. However, the 'similar games' bit can stay gone. QuagmireDog 16:21, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fable? 

message: I've been subscribing to PC Gamer UK for over four years now, so if they've ever had anything on Overlord I'll be able to use it.
Here's a list (which won't be much good unless you own the mag):
* PC Gamer UK Issue 164 (August 2006), pages 44-45
* PC Gamer UK Issue 170 (January 2007), page 45
* PC Gamer UK Issue 171 (February 2007), pages 38-39
* PC Gamer UK Issue 176 (July 2007), pages 82-85 (review)
Some online sources:
* Gamespot PC page, Xbox 360 page and Video interview. Gamespot also has a review and plenty of news which can be used for a development section.
* IGN PC page, Xbox 360 page. Like Gamespot, IGN has a review and news.
UnaLaguna 08:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible print and online sources (for your reference and mine) 

message: Well I've highlight most of the needed section that have been demanded, any spelling/grammer errors noticable, please notify and edit. Also add more refs, I know of them but have to much to type the first time around. Thank you. Stabby Joe 22:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: I removed the "sequel" section - the Amazon link is clearly to a special edition of Overlord, not a full sequel. If anyone knows more about this please add it back in if necessary with an appropriate description. Cheers, Miremare 15:46, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequel 

message: Because of mt recent overhaul of added typrwork to this article, reading through quickly I've picked up on some errors. I've fixed some as I know so have others and thanks alot. Hopefully they've all been cleared up, but still its worth a look. Stabby Joe 15:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo, Spelling and Grammer errors 

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replies: text: Done. I copied the fair use rationales and summaries across as I seemed to mess up the  tags >_< Una LagunaTalk 07:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job on fixing those so quickly, I deleted the oversized revisions and removed the tags. --Nehrams2020 09:03, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was originally my uploaded image. Duly noted in the future and cheers for fixing it. It would be great if it did pass GA, then I could say, with Una's advice got this to Start class to GA by myself! Stabby Joe 13:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

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I noticed that UnaLaguna did the peer review for this one, so I suspect that this will be a fairly smooth review. Some comments:
#The caption for In game Overlord 1.jpg could be more descriptive I think, especially since it's almost impossible to tell what's going on in such a small picture Stabby Joe 19:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Flipped around since thats the basis for other featured articles such as Shadow of the Colossus. Although I'm not sure whether that helps completly. Stabby Joe 13:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't add that comment and thats a bad thing since I've looked everywhere and can't find anything on that. Stabby Joe 14:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry but you're going to have to be a little more spercific. Stabby Joe 14:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. First of all, now that everything has been moved around, they are references #6, #7, #33, #34. None of these use citation templates or a similar format that contains parameters like "title of resource," "retrieval date," "author's name" etc. etc. The rest of the references use them, but those four do not for some reason. Cheers, CP 18:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Haha, I appreciate the compliment CP. And another rigorous GAR from you! I believe I've addressed a couple of the (easier) problems. Una LagunaTalk 09:52, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've adressed most and left bold comments on others I'm somewhat confused about, thanks for the review by the way, hope I can get it to GA soon. Stabby Joe 16:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the 360 patch:     (that one gives "4 weeks away").   But I've not found anything that exactly says when the patch was out. --MASEM 16:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I can let it go; just citing that there is one (as per the refs above) should be good enough. Once the citation issue listed above is dealt with, it should be good to go for GA. Cheers, CP 18:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I've choose the forth one since it lists that there is/was one. Is that one ok? Stabby Joe 19:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes indeed. Everything looks good now, so I will be passing this as a Good Article. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 19:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Teamwork FTW. Good job everyone, especially Stabby! Una LagunaTalk 20:30, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I first found this article it was a sart class... now that I'm done with it its Good! Thanks aswell for others advice, notably you Una. Cheers! I've also created a character article to help with the section on it. Now I need another game page for vast improvment, maybe try and get this to featured (I'm going to get that BarnStar lol!). Stabby Joe 21:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

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replies: text: Fixed. Well done with the article, Stabby Joe and others. A massive improvement! Miremare 20:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Overlord pc uk.jpg

message: I would like an assessment to know what needs to be done in order to reach the next level/rating. Not a peer review since I know its no where near there yet. Of course it would mean a massive expansion and rewrite in areas (notably I think gameplay) but then again you know I'll most likely do it. Stabby Joe (talk) 01:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm adding the article to the assessment page per your request. An interest has been expressed in increasing the amount of 'A' grade articles within the gaming project's remit, so hopefully this one will either be there or be close. Thanks for your work on the article and the same goes to all contributors who built it from nothing, it's an excellent piece of work. Someoneanother 12:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Ah, thank you. Upon writing a large portion of this article I did think there would be a number of mistakes since I have a slight habit of writing in and missing out certain words and that can't be traced via grammer or spell checkers lol! I consider this page my best 'work" so far and am watching it constantly, mainly due to the fac that when the add on is released, I can see some adding info that might bring it down a few which of course I and you don't want. Stabby Joe (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: I'm thinking of making an entirely new article because due to the recent review of the DLC in OXM UK, it says its more of a full expansion, IE meaning plot and reception being its own thing. Plus new info on characters go in the characters article. Stabby Joe (talk) 00:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RAISING HELL 

message: In one point of the game,where a sheep is seemed to be attacked and then somehow blows up,seems like a reference to another codemasters game,Worms 4.One of the minions of Overlord also says "Sheepy blew up" after the explosion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.144.148 (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the worms say that? Otherwise the notion of animals exploding can be linked to many other things. Stabby Joe (talk) 13:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worms Reference? 

message: Hey guys, could you make the screenshots in this article smaller? I can still kinda make out what they´re supposed to depict when I click on them. A 60x40 resolution would look better on my hi res 22 inch monitor.
Thanks.--Threedots dead (talk) 11:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're can't just think of your computer now can we? I fail to see the problem given the millions of other articles with pictures the same size, if not smaller given that if we made them smaller, we wouldn't be able to make out what the picture is of at all. Stabby Joe (talk) 15:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures too large 

message: Sorry for the long delays, I haven't done reviews in a while because of business. I've got a couple of minutes, so here we go.
*The bold links in characters are not a good idea, because they give the reader the impression that the articles are about those characters specifically. Recommendation: no bold. Done.
*I recommend that all mentions of a future PS3 version are removed from their separate paragraphs and integrated in the same text that describes the existence of both 360 and PC versions. As it's release date is Summer '08, is a precise release date already there?
*I think a merge from the expansion pack into the original article is in order, because of the limited added content. The current page on the expansion pack is really detailed on the plot, perhaps add just a little something to the plot section here, like "The plot continues in expansion pack such-and such, where the Overlord.. " etc.
*The quotes in the reception section could use some copy editing with the use of square brackets etc. Someone familiar with this should be able to help out.
*Some of the references have author information available that is currently not here, e.g. Overlord announced by IGN and the announcement of the sequel.
Go for FAC, I'd say, too!
User:Krator (t c) 16:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks alot. However I'm not sure about merging Raising Hell given that the article can be expanded (has own gameplay tweaks and reception that can be added) and looking at it, wouldn't that make this article larger than it needs to be? Stabby Joe (talk) 17:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some review 

message: If this is to go to FAC, I'd say that the images :Image:OverlordRH.jpg and :Image:In game overlord 2.jpg would probably be challenged for failing WP:NFCC, notably WP:NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC#8.  The others would probably just about be OK. Black Kite 14:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-free images re FAC 

message: I think Overlord: Dark Legend and Overlord: Minions, while seperate games, should be merged to this article for the time being. There is not enough information to warrant an own article. What do you think? SoWhy review me! 12:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is enough details look at the IGN links. --SkyWalker (talk) 12:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is, then it should be in the articles. My point was that the articles currently only say "there is a game with the name X, which will be released Y on system Z". SoWhy review me! 12:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reason why i have not added is because my English and grammar sucks. :) --SkyWalker (talk) 12:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay, you should have said. I will try and do it later if I find the time to do it. Should not be too hard. SoWhy review me! 13:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

text:  Articles expanded and sourced. SoWhy review me! 14:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Iam doing my best to improve my English. Thanks you can see all the IGN. PC, Wii and NDS have information which should be added. :). --SkyWalker (talk) 13:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we all have to learn. I learned it mostly from the web myself, that was before Wikipedia unfortunately, so I had to resort the IRC and technical support. So keep it up and if you need something like that again, please do not hesitate to tell me. SoWhy review me! 14:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand. I have loads to learn. Now that you have mentioned can you help with Overlord 2 and the Overlord: Minions?. :)--SkyWalker (talk) 14:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added everything to Overlord: Minions that the source says. There is just not much more info...I will have a look at the other one now. SoWhy review me! 15:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow. You have been real helpful. Thanks. The game was just announced today so in few week they will be loads of info.--SkyWalker (talk) 15:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

text: (undent) . Sure, no problem. I help where I can :-) SoWhy review me! 15:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposals 

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