Talk:Cat Stevens/Archive 1

message: "It has been alleged" -- grr.  If we are going to say that someone has done something heinous, we have got to indicate by whom and when.  Jgm 21:04, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The allegation was made by an anonymous user without any factual backup/reference or source quotation whatsoever. I have removed this and clarified that I expect a reference before it be permitted to be reinstated (assuming that a reference exists). Ropers 04:17, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Passive accusations

message: How should we refer to him in the article?  Continue with the slashed name, one throughout, or refer to him by his legal name at the time of the event (i.e. "Stevens" before his conversion to Islam, "Islam" after)?  I personally support the use of one name throughout, merely for readability's sake. Whosyourjudas 03:29, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stevens/Islam" 

message: What I want to know: 
* Was Yusuf Islam aware that he was on a watchlist when he travelled? 
** If yes, why did he travel anyway?
** If no, why wasn't he told before being in mid-air?Getting diverted in mid-air and deported is a significant waste of time and money. It would kind of be the obvious thing to do to make the respective individuals aware that they are on a watchlist to avoid all that hassle.
* Generally speaking, are individuals informed that they are on a U.S. watchlist? 
* Are they at least told before boarding a flight?
Does someone know?
Because what the news reported on this I can only describe as insufficient. Ropers 04:12, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he was supposed to be stopped before boarding, and yes, the fact that he was boarded anyway indicates a security failure. see USA Today and NYTimes. - Nunh-huh 04:54, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denial of entry into the U.S. (questions) 

message: The quote provided, I feel, has been taken out of context and given the statements made by Yusuf Islam in 1989 seen here and here, I'm taking the liberty of re-writing the section on Rushdie to be a little more NPOV. Sherurcij 06:12, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
I find it remarkable that wikipedia can't provide a quote from the actual Kingston Polytechnic comment on the Rushdie Fatwa.  Is there no accurate source for what he said at Kingston? Funkyj 17:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Salman Rushdie

message: Let's drop the subjective language.  It's as though he wrote it all, even when he didn't.  --VKokielov 01:44, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Now, now 

message: *To quote User:Morven from Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions/archive4:
::The naming of biographical articles in Wikipedia is complicated by the fact that one individual may be known under several different names at the same time, and may change their name a number of times in their life.  For example, we have an article at Cat Stevens (his stage name) even though he was born as Stephen Demetre Georgiou and changed his name to Yusuf Islam.  To be neutral, our only choice is to examine popular usage. —Morven 23:20, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
:Also, I didn't delete the image, I'm not an admin.  --Hottentot
*Some data: Google shows 397,000 hits for "Yusuf Islam" and 2,400,000 for "Cat Stevens".  -R. S. Shaw 19:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. Ryan Norton T | @ | C 03:35, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Descision

message: I'm not sure how long the Yusef/Cat Stevens debate has been going on, but I do notice that the section on Cat Stevens -- the artist -- is very sparse. 
There's no insight into his musical stylings, song lyrics, etc. I mean it's common knowledge that his famous song "Lady D'Arbanville" was inspired (in some fashion) by the actress Patti D'Arbanville. I don't have a great deal of knowledge of his professional career (so my writing would be more of a hindrance than a help), but someone must have access to some decent biographical information on him.
The section on Yusef Islam and his charitable works, etc. could also use more work, but the lack of Cat Stevens info hit me first because that's what I was searching for.
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Many of the links are outdated and no longer work. I believe, for the sake of the amount of attention this article has recieved, they should be revised. Rjfleming84 19:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meager info on Cat Stevens (as an artist)