Talk:Box jellyfish

message: The article cited for the 1.8 m/s claim says nothing about the speed of box jellies. The claim should be removed. I would do it, but this is my first venture into the realm of wiki and I'm hesitant to mess with others' s***.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.25.181 (talk) 05:46, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Dangerous Australians, a Bay Book published in 1985, mentions that box jellies can travel at speeds up to 5 knots if suddenly alarmed. I don't know how to add references and citations though.  121.44.17.86 (talk) 03:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Indeed, the article quotes a speed of "4 knots (1.8 m/s)" but when I previewed with the "convert" template I got 2.1 m/s instead.  Then I checked the source, which said four knots, but I went online and found another source that said . 108.18.117.236 (talk) 22:44, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed 

message: In three of the articles listed at the bottom of the page (Box Jelly Facts, Box Jellies-- Danger on the Great Barrier Reef, and ThinkQuest), it is strongly advised that methylated spirits never be used on box jelly stings.  The wiki article, however, recommended the use of alcohol.  I did a quick fix, although that part should probably be rewritten.  71.205.33.151 (talk) 00:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Methylated spirits 

message: IMPORTANT QUESTION:
The information on the page for the box Jellyfish recommends pouring vinegar onto the wound before removing any attached tentacles, whereas the page on the Portugese Man Of War states that it is imperative not to pour vinegar until all tentacles have been removed (as the acetic acid causes the tentacles to release their sting).
Now, I know that the PMOW isn't strictly in the same family group as the box jellyfish, but I suspect one of these pieces of advice is wrong. Although this wouldn't ordinarily matter, the fact that Wikipedia is providing advice which could potentially save someone's life, I think we ought to get it right. I'm not a scientist so not best to advise.
Any thoughts?
RESPONSE
(My name is called "It's ya boy Steve". I have been attacked by a Porchagese man o war all around my body on a beach of Hawaii and the only thing that worked was vinegar! I tired hot water and salt water but just made it worse until i put vinegar. about 1 minute later the horrible pain was gone)!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.197.12.198 (talk) 11:53, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vinegar 

message: That health warning down the bottom seems kind of awkward for an encyclopedia article. - 128.184.2.1 04:40, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health warning 

message: Irukandji are only responsible for 2 confirmed deaths, through anaphylaxis. Due to their immensely small size, odds are a Box Jelly sting was incorrectly labeled for sensationalist purposes.
The above statement left by an earlier editor is untrue. The two confirmed fatalities from Irukandji syndrome were not from anaphylaxis. Anaphylaxis has not been confirmed from any cubozoan, and has only been confirmed in one jellyfish case (Pelagia noctiluca, in Greece -- see Togias, A.G., Burnett, J.W., Kagey-Sobotka, A., & Lichtenstein, L.M. 1985. Anaphylaxis after contact with a jellyfish. Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology 75: 672-675.) The two fatalities from Irukandji were due to complications from the hypertension caused by the syndrome, as are the many cases each year requiring life support and/or producing ongoing symptoms. There is a huge ramification to the commonly-held (incorrect) belief that death is due to anaphylaxis: "I'm not allergic, therefore I won't be affected by it". A much better common sense approach would be to pro-actively take precautions so that it doesn't happen to you, e.g., wear a full-body lycra suit or wetsuit or other type of effective protective clothing. Jfishgoddess (talk) 23:01, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irukandji 

message: This article recommends against bicarbonate, while the jellyfish article recommends it. I don't know which is right, but the two articles surely should agree. -- cmh 04:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bicarbonate 

message: Someone changed back from antivenin to antivenom, claiming that is the spelling in Australia.  Is there actual evidence to support this claim?  Most dictionaries don't seem to list "antivenom". Dfeuer 09:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its called antivenom in Australia (and most of the world except the USA), CSL make it and its official name is Box Jellyfish Antivenom  (link shows all the Australian antivenoms).Mr Bungle 10:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a brand name.  We're talking about a word, not a brand.  The Oxford English Dictionary, last I checked, was not American, and it doesn't even list antivenom as an alternate spelling.  You're going to have to come up with something better than a commercial website to demonstrate that the spelling "antivenom" is actually the common one in Australia. Dfeuer 11:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Checking with dictionary.com shows one definition of "antivenom", in CancerWEB's online medical dictionary.  Interestingly, the entries in that dictionary for "antivenom", "antivenin", and "antivenene" suggest that the first, "antivenom", may have a slightly different, more general meaning than the others: it can refer to an antitoxin used against non-animal toxins. Dfeuer 11:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowadays the most common term is antivenom, it doesn’t mean antitoxin, antitoxin means antitoxin (i.e. botulinum antitoxin). Medical authorities use antivenom, almost all journal articles use antivenom as the preferred term, i.e. Clinical Toxicology the official journal of the American Academy of Clinical Toxicology and the European Association of Poisons Centres and Clinical Toxicologists use antivenom, as the following review papers show , ,  . Toxicon another leading toxinology journal also uses antivenom , , , The world health organization also prefer antivenom in their literature . The American Zoo and Aquarium Association and the American Association of Poison Control Centers also run ‘The Antivenom Index’ which show where antivenoms are stored around America. All these authorities in clinical toxicology use the term antivenom, Wikipedia should too.Mr Bungle 01:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have demonstrated that the term "antivenom" is used.  That's a first step.  You have not demonstrated that it is "the most common term" or "the preferred term", either in Australia or elsewhere.  You also have demonstrated that WHO has used the term, but did not demonstrate that they prefer it, or that they use it more often than "antivenin".  Finally, I didn't say that antivenom meant antitoxin.  Rather, I said that according to the dictionary I checked, antivenin is a more specific term than antivenom, which seems to be a more specific term than antitoxin.  If this is correct, then the differences in meaning between the terms should be at least as significant in the decision about which should be used than which term was used by the original editor. Dfeuer 10:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: To the extent possible, can we shift this discussion over to Talk:Antivenin?  Anything specifically relating to this article, rather than antivenin vs. antivenom in general can continue here. Dfeuer 11:19, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  antivenin vs. antivenom 

message: The story of the man who was stung 5 times,clinically died, and awoke during his autopsy comes across as highly anecdotal.
Are there any references to this case?
---Would like to know as well. The story ("as told by so and so") has more to do with this guy finding Jesus than in "documenting" his attack. A lot of it reads like...to be polite...a dramatization of events at best, and utter religious/mystical glurge at worst. If nothing else, I think converting the wording from 'documentation' to 'anecdote' would be a step in the right direction. I'd like to see the reference removed entirely. --24.148.236.234 (talk) 06:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed it (it doesn't say which species or anything specific and it appears to have more to do with the guy finding Jesus). Mr Bungle | talk 06:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotal survival story 

message: "... arguably the most venomous creatures in the world." I think this needs to be cited or changed to 'among...'--Cammacleay (talk) 21:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:58, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: I just thought that it should be noted that this article says to use methylated spirits and vodka to treat the stings if its available while another page I have visited (http://www.barrierreefaustralia.com/the-great-barrier-reef/jellyfish.htm) says in big red warning letters that you should NOT use either methylated spirits or alcohol..
Maybe that should be looked into as someone must be making a mistake somewhere about this...  60.241.78.146 (talk) 13:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment of exposure 

message: It doesn't mention what species it's describing under the vision section.  All 19 species surely aren't the same.167.7.17.3 (talk) 13:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vision 

message: This section seems pretty dubious.  Citation is definitely needed.
--Pstemari (talk) 08:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, moved from article to here in case someone wants it in the future. Mr Bungle | talk 08:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuisine 

message: how many times or how much time being stung by a jelly would it take to cause certain death in a human? Like in the movie 7 pounds98.243.239.128 (talk) 03:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the species. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jelly related deaths 

message: this article lacks an actual photo of these things.  self-shot image at georgia aquarium, can someone possibly verify and add to article if it's correct?    Impasse 21:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is not a box jelly but a true jelly (Scyphozoa). As a rule of thumb, box jellies are small, have few tentacles (or if many, they come in 4 bunches), are transparent or with colorful patches on transparent background, and no "veil" or similar tissue hanging down. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 23:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I have added a photograph of a box jellyfish from the Commons. I'd have preferred something other than Chironex fleckeri, to illustrate the diversity of the class, but the available pictures of other species weren't quite as good. Anaxial (talk) 09:36, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I took the current photo. I also have an AVI video of it floating around in a tank that I could upload but I can't find a good .avi-.ogv converter. Would anyone like me to do some digging or don't we need a video of this thing?. Here's one on YouTube:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWIunBay4FI--Krambambuli (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: From the article: 
"there is no scientific evidence that urine, ammonia, meat tenderizer, sodium bicarbonate, boric acid, lemon juice, freshwater, steroid cream, alcohol, cold packs or papaya hydrogen peroxide will disable further stinging"
- Jack Vermicelli 2warped@gmail.com 24.231.218.21 (talk) 19:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's chemically similar to mango carbon dioxide.StephenPCook (talk) 09:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papaya hydrogen peroxide? 

message: Needs complete makeover. Apocryphal and possibly life-threatening. Group is taxonomically revised completely, the information here is the garbled mess from Commons (which was a garbled mess based on the unreliable ITIS and an early version of WoRMS).
Italicized families... euuuuuurgh! If you see this, sure-fire signs that an article is untrustworty. (A variant of the "T. Rex" effect) Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 00:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to make a new topic for why I removed this article for being a poor source but it seems you've already said everything already.  I'd also like to add that misspelling the name of the species in the article further reduces credibility.  StephenPCook (talk) 10:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree that it's a garbled mess, and I know nothing about the topic!  (Which is why I came to the article.)  For instance "The Cubozoa class contains at least 19 different species, some of which are only slightly less lethal than C. fleckeri." makes no sense as an opening sentence in that section.  Someone (not me!) who knows this topic should rewrite this entire article.  76.21.120.118 (talk) 22:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully, this makes a little more sense now. I don't know so much about the stings, so I've left those parts lone, but the comment you mention above has been removed, and replaced with one that is more up-to-date, together with a reasonably modern (2007) classification scheme. Anaxial (talk) 09:24, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've corrected and updated most sections (just a minor addition to taxonomy as overall updated by Anaxial) but stayed clear of the pure how to 'Treatment of stings' section. If someone still disputes anyting, please re-add the tag and explain what is disputed. 212.10.95.14 (talk) 19:05, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute 

message: Jellyfish do not have venom. The basic, 1st year biology student could tell you that. Jellyfish (now sometimes known as Jellies or Sea Jellies because they are not really fish)have Nematocysts like all 'stinging' creatures from phylum Cnideria. These Nematocysts are released after activation by a pressure or chemically sensitive trigger is 'activated.' How the Nematocytes work is that they are small capsules which contain toxins, these toxins usually either kill or paralyze the victim. The writer of the discussed article does obviously not know the anatomy of the Jellyfish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.33.169.171 (talk) 17:29, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Venom" can refer to any toxin used by animals. Toxins stored in nematocytes are no exception. Don't get cocky because you think you learned something in biology class; do a bit of research before you make claims like that and be ready to provide a source when asked. 75.50.87.130 (talk) 17:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venom? 

message: I can tell you from personal experience that meat tenderizer works instantly on *Portuguese Man'o'war* stings. The sting and burning just wipes right off. Kid's will stop screaming when it is applied.  The park service at the state park in Corpus Christie keep Adolf's meat tenderizer and give it to folks who get stung.   Don't know how the Man'o'war are related to the box jelly fish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.62.236.149 (talk) 18:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Portuguese Man o' War has its own page. Please take this discussion to Talk:Portuguese Man o' War. Also, please have a source ready; personal experience is not considered valid for citation. 75.50.87.130 (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

text: The Man o' War is not a box jellyfish, and is, in fact, only distantly related. Anaxial (talk) 09:38, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meat tenderizer 

message: I read somewhere where it said that Box Jellyfish can only be kept in fish tanks that are shaped like globes - reason being that with a rectangular fish tank, when the Box Jellyfish bumps up against a flat side, the slight impact damages it enough that it dies.  I have not read this anywhere in this entry.  Can somebody that knows write something on this???
I think you are right  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.93.156 (talk) 22:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very fragile 

message: This page seems very similar to the page Chironex fleckeri which is redirected from "sea wasp". Maybe combine the non-duplicated information and put it all in one page? --71.58.25.239 (talk) 00:13, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similiarity to [[Chironex fleckeri]] 

message: This stub of a section is a mess; it includes no citations and has poor sentence structure, information unrelated to the "nomenclature" of the box jellyfish, and even uses "there" instead of "their."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.6.30.38 (talk) 23:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomenclature section 

message: This section contains a contradiction. Para 1 states that Pressure immobilisation can also be used on limbs to slow down the spreading of the deadly venom. while para 2 states that Pressure immobilization bandages, methylated spirits, or vodka should never be used for jelly stings. 
Such conflicting advice should be corrected one way or another as these stings are potentially lethal.PointOfPresence (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact the study that "showed" that has been criticized on several grounds as being poorly controlled, not applicable to reality, etc. 73.223.96.73 (talk) 04:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment of stings - contradiction 

message: I would like the article to focus on the scientific class rather than a generic name of the class. I was fairly confused when I first came here, since starting the article with "Box Jellyfish (Class Cubozoa)" implies that I am reading about something called a box jellyfish which is *in* the class cubozoa, rather than the class itself. J1812 (talk) 21:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Box jellyfish is the common name for Cubozoans. Also per WP:FAUNA and WP:UCN the title should be a common name if it has one, otherwise the respective classification name. Esoxidtalk•contribs 01:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we rename this to Cubozoa? 

message: I agree with J1812 that "Cubozoa" should be the title of the page. This would align it with the classes Hydrozoa, Scyphozoa and Staurozoa, but in any case I intend to expand the article to include more information on the anatomy, life cycle, feeding habits etc of the class. I propose removing the sections "Danger to humans", "Treatment of stings" and "Protection during swimming or diving" to a new article to be named "Box jellyfish stings" or something similar. Any comments? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as the name, I disagree, it should remain as its common name. Per WP:FAUNA and WP:UCN we should use the common name if it has one. While those you listed have kinda, sorta common names, they aren't really commonly used. Box jellyfish is pretty distinctive as far as a common name goes. As for the how-to, I agree, either removing it or writing it so it isn't a how-to. Esoxidtalk•contribs 01:17, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation 

message: The "Defense and feeding mechanisms" portion contradicts itself:
"The box jellyfish actively hunts its prey (small fish), rather than drifting as do true jellyfish."
and
"Their speed and vision leads some researchers to believe that box jellyfish actively hunt their prey, others insist they are passive opportunists, meaning they just hang around and wait for prey to bump into their tentacles."
I'm not sure which is correct, but it clearly needs fixed. --Talvieno (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defense/Feeding contradiction 

message: Perhaps we should add a "In popular media" section, and mention Seven Pounds, where the main character commits suicide by entering a bath with a box jellyfish. Debresser (talk) 14:11, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That is much more notable than many other such additions in articles.  I would support its inclusion. Scr★pIronIV 14:12, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Me too, if you're certain its the right species. juanTamad (talk) 10:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. It looks like one. And the name "box jellyfish" was specifically mentioned in the film. Debresser (talk) 17:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular media 

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message: Hi! I am a new user I still don't have much familiarity with wikipedia. I am a sci-illustrator and I thought this sheet may have been useful  and nice for this page. 
Danny Cicchetti (talk) 18:08, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New illustration 

message: === Reproduction ===
Box jellyfish can reproduce sexually or asexually. Box jellyfish gather in freshwater rivers every spring to reproduce and die after spawning. The adults release their eggs and sperms to fertilize them. The fertilized egg will hatch into a larva and grow into a polyp. Most polyps reproduce asexually. Unlike “true” jellyfish, polyp does not divide into segments, it grows into the medusa stage entirely. Then it keeps developing and grows into an adult.
:Why is this unsigned section on reproduction on the talk page? I was actually coming here to suggest that such a section is warranted. This is imperfect, but it's a decent start, in my opinion. IAmNitpicking (talk) 10:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reproduction 

message: Box jellyfish can reproduce sexually or asexually. Box jellyfish gather in freshwater rivers every spring to reproduce and die after spawning. The adults release their eggs and sperms to fertilize them. The fertilized egg will hatch into a larva and grow into a polyp. Most polyps reproduce asexually. Unlike “true” jellyfish, polyp does not divide into segments, it grows into the medusa stage entirely. Then it keeps developing and grows into an adult.
:Why is this unsigned section on reproduction on the talk page? I was actually coming here to suggest that such a section is warranted. This is imperfect, but it's a decent start, in my opinion. IAmNitpicking (talk) 10:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Reproduction''' 

message: "Golf of Mexico"
"with vinegar—considrred"
:Be bold and fix them. IAmNitpicking (talk) 18:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done thank you, but you could've been bold and fixed them yourself. I made some minor copy edits too. MartinezMD (talk) 03:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typos 

message: I think another name for these dangerous jellyfish is "Sea wasp".  Or am I thinking of another similar jellyfish? --D-BoyWheeler  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.186.45.115 (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Another name for them

message: Anyone buffing this article should look at this Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: apparently posted here by the author, who quite properly did not link to his own research in the main article. IAmNitpicking (talk) 17:22, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A useful source... 

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