Talk:Benoit (disambiguation)

message: I added "See also Ben Wa balls".
Themindset reverted, apparently accusing my edit of clanging: "are we really going to start linking things because they sound like each other? what about pianist?"
I put it there because 652 people seem to be confused. They know the name Benoit, and then they hear about the marbles on a string with an homophonic name and enter "Benoit" into search, not knowing that it's actually spelled "Ben Wa". Those are the people I wanted to send to the proper article. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 02:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, a google search with fewer than 1000 hits should not have any merit in a discussion of namespace content. Secondly, the precedent of placing homonyms in the 'see also' section is a dangerous one indeed. Does this not mean we would have to link pianist to penis? (10200 hits, by the way) We would then have to place Break in the article on Break, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum. Themindset 02:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite how much I'd like to see a 1/6 scale droid that plays a 1/6 scale pianoforte, "penis" [pʰinɪs] and "pianist" [pʰiənɪst] are both familiar terms and not strict homophones. "Ben Wa" and "Benoit" are unfamiliar, and they are homophones [bɛnwa]. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 04:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I admit that my example is silly, but I am trying to appeal to your sense of reason as well as humour. I believe the reasoning used to include an unrelated homonym is of the 'thin-edge-of-the-wedge' variety; and that simply reading the article and seeing that it does not have to do with vagina-balls should be sufficient to clarify the meaning of Benoit for the reader. Themindset 17:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me state the use case more explicitly: Someone is familiar with the name Benoit and hears Ben Wa balls mentioned on an oral medium such as in person or radio or TV without captions. How does a fellow search on English Wikipedia for an article on something that he has heard about but not read about? Believing that the title should be something similar to "Benoit balls" and not finding a link from Benoit would lead one to believe that a lack of an article about "Benoit balls" is one of the many holes in Wikipedia's coverage, not just that it was spelled wrong. The link from Rome (disambiguation) to Rom seems to demostrate that my position is at least common practice. If there's a policy or guideline supporting your position, please cite it so that I can bother the policy maintainer crowd and not you. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 00:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, all I could find was Wikipedia:See also, which is unsatisfactory. I do believe that Ben Wa balls are unrelated to Benoit - but of course you will say that it is related by how it sounds. I respect your position, but I disagree with it. And I have a feeling that various Wikipedians would have various opinions on this question. I would suggest perhaps we open a co-operative RFC to resolve this. What do you think? Themindset 19:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some discussion has taken place off-wiki related to the list of homophones in Jew (disambiguation).  But I agree that we need to get this issue exposed so it can be settled. So how do we go about this? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 00:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  Based on what I saw in Jew (disambiguation) and We (disambiguation) and Con, I'm almost ready to put it back in. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 23:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The words "meet" and "meat" are more familiar than "Ben Wa" and "Benoit", and "Benoit balls" is up to nearly ten thousand Google hits. I noticed someone else added a link to Benoit balls, which redirects to the vaginal balls article, and I fixed it to skip the redirect. Now how does the RFC process work? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 05:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another case: But and Butt disambiguate to each other. I guess this is settled, and I can unwatch, as I'm not interested in the fight over Chris Benoit's description. --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 18:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Clanging]]?