Talk:Aerith Gainsborough/Archive 1

message: There is a torjan in the following links:
*http://www.ff7citadel.com/efiction/viewstory.php?sid=1
*http://www.ff7citadel.com/efiction/viewstory.php?sid=2
I clicked on it and Norton automatically removed it from my computer.
The links are found in this sentence under the subtopic, Fandom:
"One of the earliest and most notorious of these rumors was put out by Ben Lansing [1] who unsuccessfully tried to retract it later [2] after his "authoritative" article had snowballed into a big debate."
--Hobbes3k 04:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so Norton freaks out when a site author does some weird changes. Guess why I use Linux. =/ Apparently, there was some technical problems in the ff7citadel site earlier this month. They've apparently been fixed now. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trojans!

message: I originally added this bit to the article:
: It has also been frequently suggested that Aerith's death was supposed to take place slightly later in the game (possibly Northern Crater); evidence for this isn't extensive but at least more substantial than any of the rumors for her resurrection.
I think I'll now remove it (and maybe put it in Wikibooks later, when and if it gets Really Extensive which it isn't now), because I think I went a little bit fancruftaceous here. Changing small details like this are not really noteworthy; A lot of games get a lot of changes, sometimes far more dramatic, during the development. This was probably just one detail that the developers bounced around until settling it where it is in the final product, and as such I don't think it's not worth mentioning. --Wwwwolf 10:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place of death 

message: Um... there's a whole bunch of External Links here! Should these go, as most are to fansites? I've often viewed these as linkspam unless the fan site is really notable and extensive (like ff7citadel.com, in case of the main FF7 article). It started to go this way in the Tifa article, but I just added note along the lines of "hey, the Offoapropated Fanlisting has a nice list of fansites, take a look there, WP:NOT a linkfarm" as a comment. The problem is, in Aerith's case, there isn't a nice list of fansites anywhere - We could just say "well, just look at Aerith fanlisting", but unlike in Tifa's case, they don't have a nice list of fansites, just a list of fans in general. So does anyone have any other ideas? I hesitate to do anything about this right now. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkspam 

message: Just so there won't be a war here, I'll put it in the discussions. It does NOT matter than most people don't have a musical ear -- the piece is SIMILAR, yes, but it's not in any way "based on" Aria De Mezzo. It's not really relevent (at least in my opinion) or at the very least it should be clear that they they are merely similar. Melodia Chaconne 17:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme 

message: Do you think it's worth it putting a KH2 spoiler tag for one word?[] Zero1328 02:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdom Hearts 2 Spoiler 

message: Why do each of the FFVII characters have "(In Final Fantasy VII)" next to their age in their infoboxes? It doesnt make sense to me and Aerith's infobox has it. -- Psi edit 00:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume it's because ages change from year to year, so age is only meaningful when you define the point of measurement. --Pagrashtak 02:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: probably because FFVII has prequels and sequels. ie, Advent Children is two years later, so everyone is 2 years older.  before chrisis is so and so years earlier (too lazy to click and look up the date)  so in that game their that many years younger.  the original games serves as a reference point. Spencer 03:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: What exactly is present? You're dealing with fictional characters; there's no immediately obvious time point reference. --Pagrashtak 03:09, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Spencer1337.  FFVII is the main game therefore it should be the main reference point.  DoC is just a game branched off of FFVII (it wasn't the main game)--it was FFVII that started it all.  That's why the images for each of the FFVII characters are from FFVII, not DoC. —Mirlen 01:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'd be interested to see someone win the argument that Aeristh (deliberate) is three years older now than she was when she died. - 211.28.80.58 13:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  since people talk here often. 

message: It's worth pointing out that the content under "Personality" has been lifted almost word-for-word from . I know that it was the Wikipedia editor that did the lifting, because I am the original author. I don't particularly mind, because my opinion gets more airtime this way, and obviously there's no way to prove that I was the original author, nor am I going to bother trying, but I feel like pointing it out in case people believe that I plagarised my work.
(- Mary)
--80.4.205.50 00:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sort of confused at what you're saying.  Forgive this stupid mind of mind of mine's, but do you want to be credited or no?  I noticed that you removed the link, so I am confused as of what you are trying to propose. —Mirlen 01:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to be credited, but it's not necessary. I removed the link because a friend told me he added it, and I preferred to see what was said here first... I did add a link in the "External Links" section, though, and I hope that's okay. (- Mary)--80.4.205.50 01:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, definately your site should be put on External links and credited :-).  Thanks for not minding.  One of these days, when I up to it, I'll reword/rephrase it, but still link to you :).  One thing, though, I don't know if putting 'source for "personality" section is the right format, though...I'll check. —Mirlen 02:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's appreciated, Mary. The problem is that many would prefer to spam the Wiki with any old website that has topical information, regardless of style and address than approach it in an appropriate manner. Cheers. Eluchil 03:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Retyped and reworded personality in own words so Wikipedia has some originality.  I hope you don't take this as an offence, Mary.  I do greatly appreciate for your help and understanding of not being mad at being plagarized.  You may edit as you see fit. — Mirlen 03:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't. To be honest, I think the way it was worded was pretty awkward anyway, which was one of the things that surprised me so much about the fact that someone had decided to copy it. Thanks for all your help, everyone. :) (- Mary)--80.4.205.50 15:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality 

message: I was wondering who -- and why they did it -- posted this in the opening of the article?:
"The alternative spelling was subsequently used in the English translation of Kingdom Hearts, spoken by Leon (aka Squall Leonhart), as 'Aye-ree-ith'. However, both Aerith and Aeris may possibly be pronounced the same, as 'air-is'."
There's no audio for that part of Kingdom Hearts. It's just text. I'm going to fix this.
Ryu Kaze February 9, 2006
I'd be remised if I didn't direct you to the writers' rules of engagement. For your own reference. Eluchil 06:05, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the hell...? 

message: In a recent edit, Midnight Wolf wrote that in "Maiden Who Travels The Planet", the writers revealed "the fact that it was [Aeris] who called the Lifesteam into action to defeat the Meteor". I'm pretty sure that fact was obvious from the FF7 ending. Marlene says "The flower girl?" when the Lifestream starts to move, and in the end, we see Aeris' face glowing green. I'm changing it to say that Maiden confirms that fact. Viltris 08:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops! Sorry 'bout that. There were a couple other things I forgot about the game too ;). Thanks for correcting my mistake. MidnightWolf 05:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling the Lifestream 

message: Someone's created a Maiden Who Travels the Planet page, but I really don't see the need for it, as there's very little information to even speak of on it, and the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII page already makes mention of it, while quite a bit of its relevant information is contained here on Aerith's page (including the link to the translation). In fact, there's more info about it here than on its own page. I think that it should be merged here. Ryu Kaze 16:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As there's no objections, I'm carrying out this merge now. Ryu Kaze 02:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the page has been merged I removed the link in the Aerith article to "Maiden who Travels the Planet" as it only redirects right back to Aerith. Mikya 05:25, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with ''Maiden''

message: All of you who helped this page make GA, take a bow!  :)  Kasreyn 19:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrats, everyone! 

message: The "Official" website that redirects from http://www.square-enix-usa.com/games/ff7/aeris-char.html and http://na.square-enix.com/games/ff7/aeris-char.html note her Romanized, English name as "Aeris Gainsborough".  Repeatedly.  In the link name and in her profile itself.  If it's on Square's official website, why is that somehow not the final word? 22 July 2006
:Because that page is ancient, and hasn't been updated since September 09, 1998. Square has since released other games that mention the character, spelling her name "Aerith". And then there's Advent Children, in which she is also called "Aerith", both in the original Japanese credits, and throughout the English release (dub, subtitles, etc.) The facts of the matter are pretty simple, despite the incredible amount of discussion on this page. Her name is, and has always been, "Aerith". Due to a translation error on Sony's part, or for other, unknown reasons, she was originally introduced to English-speaking countries as "Aeris" in Final Fantasy VII. This error propogated through the media of the day, including the English manual, strategy guide, web site, and so on. It also occurred in Final Fantasy Tactics, which was released in America only 5 months after the American release of FFVII. Sheesh... If we could only get a statement from Kitase or Nomura spelling it out for people, that might finally lay this matter to rest. I doubt that we're ever going to get it though, as they probably don't know that this misunderstanding exists, or that it's this big of a deal among the fanbase. And they're too high-profile to attend conventions, where someone could ask them the question, a member of the media could record the answer, and we could cite them. -- Rablari Dash 08:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Square-Enix Character Profile 

message: The article currently says "Aeris" redirects here. but this is incorrect.  Aeris redirects to the disambiguation page.  I don't know if I should A) change the redirect or B) change this article from  to . ~ Amalas rawr =^_^= 18:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: redirect

message: This talk page is getting pretty long, weighing in at over 100KB. I propose that it be archived by topic, with the lengthy name debates (which consume a good chunk of the page) being archived on Aerith Gainsborough/Name Debate Archive (with minor formatting edits to improve readability), with a section either on this talk page or at the head of the archive page summarizing the arguments, so that newcomers to the article will be able to grasp the situation faster, and avoid bringing up the same arguments over and over again. The section at the head of the talk page here summarizes the current consensus, but doesn't explain it or summarize the arguments.
I'm willing to do all this, but I realise that the process of archiving a talk page (particularly one with so much controversy) requires a certain amount of trust in the archiver, and I don't want to just nominate myself for the position, being relatively new here. That, and I don't have as much time for the Wikipedia as I might like, or as much experience with it as others here. So, any comments? Nominations? Volunteers? -- Rablari Dash 09:32, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Ryu Kaze 14:46, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  By the way... This page needs archiving.