Talk:Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg

message: ==Vote (combination of two move proposals)==
Vote for as many options you like, by approval voting. If voting for option #3: please indicate what you mean by "Other"; and don't add any more options, unless the ones you name with your vote in option 3 (e.g. "keep as is or move to XXX or to YYY")
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===Option 1: Move to Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg===
# I see no reason to include a second title. The article is unclear (at least to me), but it also seems to be a courtesy title, given on the grounds of a marroage now dissolved. Septentrionalis 16:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Francis, I've had technical problems and I was distracted. Deb 17:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New

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===Option 1: Move to Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg===
# I see no reason to include a second title. The article is unclear (at least to me), but it also seems to be a courtesy title, given on the grounds of a marroage now dissolved. Septentrionalis 16:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote (combination of two move proposals)

message: # I see no reason to include a second title. The article is unclear (at least to me), but it also seems to be a courtesy title, given on the grounds of a marroage now dissolved. Septentrionalis 16:30, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 1: '''Move''' to '''[[Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg]]'''

message: # support --Francis Schonken 20:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 2: '''Move''' to '''[[Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg]]'''

message: Seven people voted, of which six for move to Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, summary:
*6 out of 7 voters voted for Option 2 = 86% > 60%, conclusion: Move to Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg
The move had already been operated by Deb on 27/9/2005.
However, the cleanup after the move was not completed yet, so I:
* Clean up double redirects;
* Remove "move" templates here, and the listings on WP:RM (trying to help out with the backlog there).
--Francis Schonken 06:17, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Francis, I've had technical problems and I was distracted. Deb 17:13, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote count report

message: == Move? ==
Shouldn't this be at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg? WP Naming conventions take out middle names in the title. (Written apparently by User:Matjlav)
*Why was the name of this page changed from Princess of Denmark to Countess of Frederiksborg?  She is still titled Princess of Denmark, and will only be "demoted" (for lack of a better term) to Countess upon any future remarriage.Prsgoddess187 14:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with Prsgoddess187 that in this case we should simply use the official name the website of the Danish monarchy gives her. I see no point in further arguments in that case, because they obviously must know best... Gryffindor 20:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: It seems to me like most people want this page at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg and the destination of the "requested move" above makes no sense in this context. Can we therefore vote on the new proposal, please? Deb 17:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous

message: Shouldn't this be at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg? WP Naming conventions take out middle names in the title. (Written apparently by User:Matjlav)
*Why was the name of this page changed from Princess of Denmark to Countess of Frederiksborg?  She is still titled Princess of Denmark, and will only be "demoted" (for lack of a better term) to Countess upon any future remarriage.Prsgoddess187 14:00, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with Prsgoddess187 that in this case we should simply use the official name the website of the Danish monarchy gives her. I see no point in further arguments in that case, because they obviously must know best... Gryffindor 20:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: It seems to me like most people want this page at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg and the destination of the "requested move" above makes no sense in this context. Can we therefore vote on the new proposal, please? Deb 17:37, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: # user Arrigo = user 217.140.193.123 - and collecting material for writing another episode of wikipedia:lamest edit wars ever and/or BJAODN, which he does regularly under both names. --Francis Schonken 09:51, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: Please enter whether you approve, oppose or are neutral to the above move.  Please remember to sign your posts.
:Hope I did wel to start a new combined vote above? It wasn't clear to me who had approved to what with the two templates hovering over the old vote. --Francis Schonken 20:35, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's cool.  I had started this section this afternoon after Deb suggested voting on the new choice, but your way is much easier.  Prsgoddess187 22:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg

message: *Move, definately to Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg. Mac Domhnaill 02:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments can be added here

message: Knights of the Elephant are members of the 1st rank class. This means that during one day from her knighting to the wedding, she was offically Hendes Excellence frøken Alexandra Manley. --Klausok 08:49, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: The Danish court calls her, officially, Alexandra Christina ... is there any reason Wiki does not, either in the title of the article or in the list of titles/names she has held from birth?Mowens35 20:16, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, because WP Naming Conventions rule #8 call for its omission in the page name. It's length would  also probably clutter a styles box, but I agree that it should be mentioned in the first paragraph or soon thereafter. Lethiere 06:51, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Countess has a capital 'c'. Remember, we don't directly take Danish usage and apply it in English. English form is to use the capital 'C'. Presumably, this article will be relocated to Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg. Charles 22:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I didn't realize that was the way the 'c'/'C' controversy had gone.  Thanks for changing it. Ariadne55 07:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The woman's official name 

message: I am not sure what time is the marriage - but it's today, so I have changed several details, and somebody, please change the title of the page. I can't do it. Please change the details that I have missed out.--w_tanoto 10:44, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just moved the page, deleting "princess" title--w_tanoto 15:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should Alexandra be removed from the Danish Royal Family template, as she is no longer a member of the Royal Family? Prsgoddess187 16:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about a vote? I said "no" for a while, but after a week, yes. People might not be aware of the changes--w_tanoto 16:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  re-marriage and change of page title 

message: The former article was at Princess Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, so I'm wondering if this one should be at Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg instead of Alexandra Christina. I don't really think her middle name is necessary. Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg exists as a redirect, so I thought I'd ask for opinions before I requested a move. Morhange 20:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is requested at uncontroversial moves already. I explained that the middle name was not used in the former article and that was fine, nor should it be now. You can comment there to the effect of what you've said here. Charles 01:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexandra vs. Alexandra Christina 

message: :Alexandra Christina, Countess of Frederiksborg → :Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg moved as requested on :WP:RM. Think I got all the double redirects from other pages too. Bubba hotep 10:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move request 

message: If she isn't Danish, how is she part of the Royal Family?
: She is not. She became part of the familiy by marrying prince Joachim. After her marriage to another man she is no longer considered part of the family. --Klausok 06:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??????????? 

message: I noticed several dead links in the references. I suppose it is a consequence of the second marriage. 131.254.52.17 11:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead links 

message: I may be wrong, but I don't think that she is the Countess of Frederiksborg. It's more likely that she is a Countess of Frederiksborg, just like the Queen's cousin, Count Ingolf of Rosenborg, is a Count of Rosenborg. HE's personal website also refers to her as Countess Alexandra Christina of Frederiksborg. If she is indeed a Countess of Frederiksborg, then the article should be moved to Countess Alexandra of Frederiksborg. Surtsicna (talk) 16:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexandra was made Grevinde -- and not Komtesse -- "af Fredriksborg". Although both titles are translated into English as "Countess", "Komtesse" is exclusively a title shared by daughters of a Danish count (Greve) until they marry: each daughter of a Count af Rosenborg is a Komtesse af Rosenborg, and each legitimate son of a Rosenborg count is also a count, ad infinitum. But "Grevinde" may be either a marital title obtained automatically by wedding a count, or a substantive title conferred directly by the sovereign (occasionally done when Danish kings or princes married morganatically, e.g. the second wives of Christian IV and Frederick VII). Since Alexandra is the only person who can ever bear the title "Grevinde af Rosenborg" under Queen Margrethe II's grant (Alexandra's sons bear, in additional to their princely title, the hereditary title of Greve af Monpezat), it seems very likely that she is "the" Countess of Fredriksborg de jure as well as de facto. FactStraight (talk) 08:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg vs. Countess Alexandra of Frederiksborg 

message: I have deleted the House name as it is no longer correct.Harlay (talk) 18:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of House name 

message: The Countess' monogram in this article is outdated. Since her divorce the royal crown was replaced by a comital crown. Does someone know a free source with the current monogram? --Thathánka Íyotake (talk) 21:40, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Monogram

message: If Alexandra is the Countess of Frederiksborg, then why isn't her new husband the Count of Frederiksborg??? --PrincessAlice13 (talk) 12:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Because she was the one who was granted the title, not her husband. She holds it in her own right, not through marriage, and men have no claim to Danish titles held by their wives. The future husband of Princess Isabella of Denmark, for example, will automatically become neither prince of Denmark nor count of Monpezat. Talk about "equality" and "equal primogeniture"! Surtsicna (talk) 17:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Husband's Title? 

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