Talk:Lake Erie

message: Is it pronounced eerie or airy? -- Tim Starling 13:32 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:It's "eerie"...or at least, I have never heard it pronounced any other way. Adam Bishop 13:46 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)
::Thanks. Do you think that's article-worthy? I certainly wouldn't have known it otherwise. -- Tim Starling 13:54 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:::I guess so...how do you put pronunciations in though? With the SAMPA symbols? Adam Bishop 14:00 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)
eerie Pizza Puzzle
I fixed the pronunciation. If you said it as it was written before, it would sound like "Ih-uh-reee". I'm pretty sure it sounds right, now. --132.161.137.1 (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's "eerie", this should be , not . Lfh (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounced 

message: Erie carries more ship traffic than other Great Lake, & has more shipwrecks on the bottom as a consequence.  Trekphiler 00:26, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traffic 

message: I think this article could be put up for renomination as a featured article. The reasons for its failing nomination have taken care of over the course of the year after it failed.  Dtbohrer 16:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Renomination?

message: Can someone update it? I deleted the previous information as it was copied by mistake from Lake Superior. Chagai (talk) 05:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shoreline 

message: ur right the lake doesnt cuz earthquakes just the salt mines and lake floor and everything associated with the lake causes the quakes
ill be more specific when i add it back in  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cedarpointohio2 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Earthquakes

message: The links to the EPA and Michigan DNR are dead. When I found the DNR link it was dataless and promotional. Why is there a big article about lake michigan coho in there? Aren't there any Lake Erie specific history of fishing articles? There are also several links to secondary literature sources that are interesting but derived. There should be much better links for lake effect snow available.    Avram Primack (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many of the reference links are dead 

message: thanks for moving my paragraphs into this, its better then "prehistoric". Each of the lakes have a name, lake warren, before that lake wayne, lake maumee, lake lundy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsinger123 (talk • contribs) 08:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: geology

message: Lynch, Jim, November 08. 2010 Low Great Lakes levels prompt new call for action: U.S., Canada look at options to slow flow out of Lake Huron Detroit News.  7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article on Great Lakes levels

message: This article is on the list of Wikiproject United States -- as a focus for attention. If people following this article have ideas about improvement, or sources, or angles to study, please write about them. How could this be a better article? What is omitted that should be covered? Please share your thoughts and we'll use your comments during the revamp, thanks. --Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A tentative draft of the revamp is (removed; revamp => article). If interested, please have a look-over; I appreciate comments and suggestions.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:09, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This was one of the articles selected by Wikiproject United States for an upgrade. I waited about a day after posting the revamp, and heeded suggestions from a Wikiproject Canada contributor. This new version -- I kept previous information almost entirely (occasionally I copyedited it but preserved it as much as I could). Previous stuff may be in different locations (comparing versions may obscure this -- but it's usually there.) I pretty much kept the original outline. I added pictures. But I'm probably pretty much done with this article for a bit so please feel free to improve it further.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:11, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

text: .--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text:  mostly (possibly some critters still there, hiding in the article). That snakehead fish -- would love to get a picture of that mouth, with teeth, looking wonderfully kissable.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text:  mostly. It's --> It is; they're --> they are--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text:  somewhat. Moved eutrophication so it flows into infamous dead zone. Still need to combine subsections somehow; not sure which ones. Still need to combine animals in fauna.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text: .--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Agree fully. When I did the revamp, I didn't want to remove any of the original material in deference to prior contributors, and I kept the original structure. But as a result the article has become somewhat unwieldy, and repetitious in points, and needs better organization, so I encourage people to take charge and improve it along these lines. I'm working on other projects at the moment so I may not be able to give lots of time to this, but I encourage people interested to improve it. Unfortunately some of the uploaded pictures (from Flickr) keep getting deleted (wrong license possibly? I have trouble understanding this stuff), but that's that I suppose.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:36, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure there will be loads of perfectly good free images to use for this article. Yeah, we are all juggling stuff (check my contribs too....) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:30, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp -- seeking ideas for improvement 

message: Hello, my name is Austin Gaines.  I am a freshman at Clemson Universtiy and am doing a wikipedia page on a similar topic, a lake in SC called Lake Keowee.  Are there any tips you can give me about what information I can put on my page?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionel555 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, Wikipedia has a learning curve -- it takes a bit of time to learn its procedures & customs. If you don't know what you're doing and try to float a new article, it may get deleted. General suggestion from me to you is work on current articles, watch what happens, and get feedback. If you need help, write me on my talk page.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:36, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar Topic/Hello

message: What is with all the archaic units?  Maybe hands and cubits would also be interesting?41.74.219.64 (talk) 08:59, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm. Can't fathom what is with that without the discussion getting too deep.-Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fathoms? 

message: I've removed a bit of excessive use of quotes from news sources which were simply promotional in tone - for example: although it can get "pretty darned cold on those piers" just isn't good wording for an encyclopedia. Another bit removed was a short section entitled: Towns along the lake which consisted solely of:
:A New York Times reporter, biking through the region in 1997, found the Ontario town of Port Stanley to be the "prettiest of the port towns" with a lively "holiday air" but no "ticky-tacky commercialism".
as I see that as purely promotional especially under the heading of tourism.
Another longish quote was under the section Windy conditions 
:The notion that bird and bat migration may be hurt by the wind turbines has been used to argue against the wind turbines: a reporter in The Globe and Mail wrote "Given the tendency of turbines to make mincemeat of things airborne, it doesn’t require great imagination to figure out what would happen."[61] There were descriptions of wind turbines built in a farm near the lake shore:
::They loom like gigantic aliens invading the farmers’ fields. There are 66 of these creatures, each about as tall as a 25-storey building with a face comprised of three enormous whiskers rotating 11 to 20 times per minute. Standing amidst the wind turbines of Erie Shore Wind Farm, one feels like a doomed character in a sci-fi movie caught in the deathly still moment just before disaster strikes.
::—reporter Rebecca Field Jager in the Weekend Post, 2010[64]
which came of as rather a bit of pov pushing and could better be rewritten in encyclopediac tone. Those were but two examples. Vsmith (talk) 20:59, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize you're having a good time chopping this article to bits, but please realize that I and others worked hard to make it interesting, well-referenced, and informative, and what had been a highly readable and accurate article is, in my view, rapidly becoming a sterile piece of junk. My sense is you're deleting the best material, those great quotes which make the whole story come to life. Please remember Lake Erie is not simply about water and geology but about many other aspects to it too.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 20:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Quotefarm comes to mind. Quite a bit of what I've removed was simply tourist hype - including many of the excess quotes. Seems this is an encyclopedia and not a tourist brochure. And how wasalthough it can get "pretty darned cold on those piers" good encyclopedia language? (- just to list one minor item as an example). Vsmith (talk) 20:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I have trouble seeing how anybody could see this article as a tourist brochure; cited quotes are a legitimate way of conveying information. My concern is that you're butchering a well-referenced and interesting article and turning it into a dry slab of boring prose. The words "pretty darned cold on those piers" is what somebody said, and said in a way which is highly informative and readable; it is much more descriptive than simply saying the lake was just cold. The article used to have terrific descriptions of wind turbines that could make "mincemeat of things airborne" that looked like "giant aliens invading farmers' fields". Now, they're just turbines. Snore. There was a photo showing beach erosion; now there's none. You chopped it. There was a terrific photo of the snakehead fish that could "bite your entire hand off" and that could move across land "gulping air". You chopped that. There was colorful stuff about difficulties with crossing the lake, dealing with passport issues; chopped. The quote about the walleye limit was chopped. Fish that looks ugly but tastes great -- similarly interesting stuff. The excellent story about the ice fishermen being stranded on a large chunk of ice -- this is great stuff, interesting, referenced, important for ice fishermen to know lest it happen to them again. The quote about the diving community considering Lake Erie to be "world class" -- divers would like to know this stuff. You took out the turtle-crossing sign. The Put-in-Bay crowds with "red bucket hats" -- why did you take that out? The quote from the NYTimes reporter about a pretty town in Ontario you  removed. Seems like the BEST STUFF you've been chopping willy nilly, chopping with their references too, and leaving in pretty much all the boring stuff which we have to keep in, as if you deliberately would not like people to learn about and read about Lake Erie.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 21:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: a photo showing beach erosion: hmm, was that the one of the girl in a bikini and a guy lying on a rock in the background: this one? Where is the erosion? Vsmith (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe that image could be canned, but the rest of your deletions leaves me scratching my head.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourist hype and quotefarmism 

message: The article's lack of a modern map indicating the lake's geographical features (islands, bays, etc.) and surrounding cities is a curious omission.
For that matter, there is not such a map accompanying any of the main articles for the five Great Lakes.
Starling2001 (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No map? 

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message: https://www.toledoblade.com/local/politics/2019/02/26/Lake-Erie-Bill-of-Rights-gets-approval-from-Toledo-voters/stories/20190226159
Worth a mention? Mapsax (talk) 16:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lake's Bill of Rights per Toledo 

message: Is there a (very? (small?)) tide at Lake Erie?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.186.194.122 (talk) 10:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tide at Lake Erie? 

message: Very surprised not to see a word about the Erie Canal in the history section. First high-speed connection between the East coast and the Prairies. Valetude (talk) 23:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erie Canal? 

message: Centigrades are not correct in this article. Anything below 32F is negative in centigrades. This article translates two <32F degrees to positive (not freezing) centigrades: "18 °F (10 °C) to 23 °F (13 °C)" 18F is -7.7C and 23F is -5C. 208.191.221.220 (talk) 18:19, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a range of temperature, not a conversion of temperature. So a change of weather where the temperatures declines between 18 and 23 degrees Farenheit or 10 to 13 degrees Celsius results in lake effect snow. Llammakey (talk) 18:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  F to C