Talk:Korean War

message: The lead is WAY the heck too long. Please give visitors the raw outline in something shorter than a Starter-length article. Carrite (talk) 19:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically, what parts of it do you think should be reduced or eliminated? Mediatech492 (talk) 23:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

text: I will try to make it shorter overall and, if possible, an outline in the first paragraph. Senorangel (talk) 02:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Suggestions are welcome. Senorangel (talk) 02:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  An editor   does not like the shorter lead. Until they communicate why, there is not much I can do. Senorangel (talk) 04:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. Don't see anything of significance lost. The lead is after all a summary of a summary. It could even be trimmed a little more. Cinderella157 (talk) 06:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drive-by comment by an experienced Wikipedian 

message: add a reference Kim, J. (2023). Development and Influence of Military Medicine during the Korean War: The Medical Field Service School and Training in the U.S. Ui Sahak, 32(3), 891–930. https://doi.org/10.13081/kjmh.2023.32.891
 Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? Liu1126 (talk) 00:45, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:10, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024 

message: add a reference Korean War—Invasion, Counterinvasion, 1950-51 | Britannica. (2024, March 29). https://www.britannica.com/event/Korean-War
 Zlukeeramo (talk) 00:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2024 (2) 

message: Current Background-Prelude to War section paints US/USAFIK analysis concerning possible NK-SK war as one-sided and overly-optimistic. That is not matched by the historical record.
Suggest additional paragraph:
Many US policymakers did not share this optimistic assessment of South Korean military capabilities against a North Korean offensive. State Department cables throughout late 1949 and early 1950 noted the differential in military power, especially in terms of equipment, airpower, and training/experience. This pessimism was shared by legislators in Washington. Senator Tom Connally (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Connally), Chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee, noted in an interview with US News and World Reports that "I’m for Korea. We’re trying to help her—we’re appropriating money now to help her. But South Korea is cut right across by this line—north of it are the Communists, with access to the mainland—and Russia is over there on the mainland. So that whenever she takes a notion she can just overrun Korea just like she probably will overrun Formosa when she gets ready to do it. I hope not, of course." (https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1950v07/d31) Max.Steiner1985 (talk) 18:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add section to Background Section -Prelude to War 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Korean_War&oldid=1225261668
I would like to hear the opinion of the person who deleted the part about what the problem is. If there is no reasonable reason, we request restoration.
:"We"? Reasons, A, it fails wp:undue as this is a minor part of the wider war (and some of it not even about the war). B, These sources do not look like wp:rs (both reasons given in the edit summary). Slatersteven (talk) 11:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, can I go and record another article with similar quality sources and content? For example, the same source was used in the Battle of Paro Lake, and although it is older, the conclusion is similar to the history of the Korean military and the U.S. military. OnlyFanK (talk) 11:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unsure what you mean, but any content added to any article must be relevant to that article. So something that is not about the US army can't be added to an article about the US army. wp:v means the source must "explicitly" make such a connection (in other words not your own wp:or making the connection). Also other polices (such as those mentioned) come into play, so one academic making one claim may fail undue. Also you can ask to make an edit here to another article, you must ask there. Slatersteven (talk) 11:51, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: In what I wrote about Korea, I used only Korean sources and made no mention of the U.S. military. OnlyFanK (talk) 11:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why did you mention it here? as I said you need to discuss changes to any other articles there, and not ask permission here. Slatersteven (talk) 12:01, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: So, if I delete the sources of such articles like you did, is there any problem? OnlyFanK (talk) 12:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You have already been told you can't discuss edits to other articles here, this is my last reply to that question. Slatersteven (talk) 12:04, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, there's nothing you can do, right? Well, I understand. Even if other articles say so, what on earth is the standard? Be sure to explain it accurately. Can't I use any sources other than those already used in this article? OnlyFanK (talk) 12:08, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not what I said. So I oppose your suggested additions as they may well fail some or all of the policies I have listed, you have not made a case they do not. So with that, I can't say any thing any clearer than I have. Slatersteven (talk) 12:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at your contribution and the contributions of others like you, I don't think the differences in opinion will change much here. I don't think there's a big problem with my actions, but the wiki people will take care of it. OnlyFanK (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: User:OnlyFanK you seem to be adding all sorts of information about supposed prejudice against people from Jeolla province to this page. As Slatersteven has already told you this is wp:undue, largely unrelated to the war and not based on WP:RS. Stop making these edits. I note that you have made similar edits on the Jeolla Province page, if your changes deserve to be anywhere (which I doubt) it is there. Mztourist (talk) 14:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not prejudice, it is fact, and I have written that during the Korean War, people from Jeolla Province and others were also discriminated against by Korea's ruling elite. This is clearly included in the sources I brought about Korean history. And is the historical discrimination against Jews also prejudice? OnlyFanK (talk) 01:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You are clearly pushing a WP:POV which does not belong on this page for the reasons already stated above. Mztourist (talk) 05:39, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

text: User:OnlyFanK, there is a WP:ONUS to gain consensus for challenged material. This has been opposed for WP:P&G reasons stated. This isn't the place to PUSH this POV. If you have not already, you should read and become familiar with the policy that has been linked in this discussion as you appear to be NOTHEARING what has been said and why. It is time to WP:DROPTHESTICK. If we do not respond further here, it does not imply our consent to re-add the material. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  By deletion based on subjective value judgment 

message: As title, the main infobox's images are now misaligned, leading to staggered and large borders around each image. I think someone added an image (yet again from a Western source). See this thread on this talk page; there are too many photos from purely SK/Western sources already, we need more Chinese/North Korean photos represented in the article. I'd advocate for undoing the swapped image altogether; the added image doesn't add much understanding, it's now misaligned, and we still lack Chinese/NK perspective. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 01:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A grainy propaganda photo? No. Mztourist (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: Wikipedia is not a propaganda spreader. ABG  (Talk/Report any mistakes here)  04:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand the disagreement. For others reading, I'm not trying to spread propaganda. I'm toobigtokale from elsewhere on this page; I've written pretty blisteringly about pretty much every major relevant country to this war. I just believe we need to get more Chinese/NK photos into the article as per the above talk thread, but I was too hasty. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you editting from an IP? Mztourist (talk) 08:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: User talk:104.232.119.107#My activities on an IP 104.232.119.107 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're trying to wean yourself off WP using an IP is unlikely to help, also if you use an IP other Users can see where you're editting from. Mztourist (talk) 04:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciate the feedback, I've already considered those factors. If you'd like to discuss my IP please do so on my IP talk page; let's reserve this page for Korean War article. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox images are misaligned 

message: Per the discussion thread immediately above this, replace the image of the plane dropping bombs with this one: . The size of the pic could optionally be recropped to fit well with the other pics in the collage, but less important. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 02:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: A grainy propaganda photo? No. Mztourist (talk) 03:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: Wikipedia is not a propaganda spreader. ABG  (Talk/Report any mistakes here)  04:03, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I can understand the disagreement. For others reading, I'm not trying to spread propaganda. I'm toobigtokale from elsewhere on this page; I've written pretty blisteringly about pretty much every major relevant country to this war. I just believe we need to get more Chinese/NK photos into the article as per the above talk thread, but I was too hasty. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are you editting from an IP? Mztourist (talk) 08:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: User talk:104.232.119.107#My activities on an IP 104.232.119.107 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're trying to wean yourself off WP using an IP is unlikely to help, also if you use an IP other Users can see where you're editting from. Mztourist (talk) 04:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Appreciate the feedback, I've already considered those factors. If you'd like to discuss my IP please do so on my IP talk page; let's reserve this page for Korean War article. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 00:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request