Category talk:Education

message: One of the general guidelines for categorizing is, "Articles should not usually be in both a category and its subcategory."  For example, an article about "Cultural learning" generally should not be placed in both "Education" and "Learning" or one of its subcategories.  The preferred choice is to use the more descriptive subcategory.  You can help to keep this category's combined article + subcategory count below the dreaded 200 barrier (keeping all entries on one page) by looking for ways to support this general guideline. Rfrisbietalk 20:40, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Classification: Education: .. Academic disciplines: Social sciences: Education: ( Cycles should usually be avoided) Rfrisbietalk 16:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization of Education articles and subcategories 

message: Many established resources for creating and organizing education categories exist.  The following list is a start.  Please add links to additional resources by country when available. Rfrisbietalk 22:21, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources for creating and organizing categories 

message: A one-page list of education categories is available to help see how existing categories relate to each other.  This is a manually-updated list that includes the top three levels.  Rfrisbietalk 17:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of education categories 

message: I'm not sure I understand why :Category:Education is a subcategory of :Category:Academia.  As far as I can intuit, common usage and the dictionary suggest that neither one is entirely inclusive of the other: "academia" does not usually include primary or secondary education, and "education" does not usually include scholarship or research.   Further, it seems as though there are a lot of articles currently in Education that bear exclusively and specifically on the university (e.g. Graduate student, etc.) and would more properly be placed in Academia (which, it seems to me, is the proper place for articles on Tenure, University, Professor, etc.).  Am I missing something, or could this category scheme use some rethinking? -- Rbellin 21:03, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories Academia and Education

message: I think there are simply too many subcategories. No one is going to go through lists of 200 categories at a time. Subcategories should be limited to 100 in a single category.Icurite 09:05, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the category is broken into two (or more) pages when the number of subcategories plus articles is greater than 200. I propose that the number of subcategories plus articles be limited to 200 so that the whole education category is displayed on a single page. This can be done by (a) creating more subcategories so that the number of articles can be reduced; and (b) restructuring the subcategories to reduce number at the top level, e.g. make educational software a subcategory of educational technology. Nesbit 16:32, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes sense to me.  I've also noticed that articles often are coded in multiple levels, such as Education and one or more subcats.  Cutting back to the most specific subcat on the article page also would reduce the number of articles on the Education cat and top level subcat pages. Rfrisbietalk 16:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many subcategories?

message: I reduced the cat's for this to just two: Culture and Systems. The latter is in :Category:Fundamental which helps reduce cycles. Marskell 11:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re-catting 

message: I propose removing the cleancat tag.  The number of articles + subcategories in the main education category has been reduced well below the 200 page-break limit, mostly by placing articles only in their more specific category and moving many categories to be lower-level subcategories.  For all remaining work to be done, I recommend we use the "to do list" at the top of the page. Rfrisbietalk 20:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: p.s. Seeing no objections, I'm removing the tag.Rfrisbietalk 20:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose removing cleancat tag 

message: One of the reasons for duplication of subcategories and articles on the same category page is:
:THE TOPIC ARTICLE RULE — When an article is the topic article for a category. Articles should be placed in the category with the same name. However, the article and the category do not have to be categorized the same way. The article belongs in categories populated with similar articles. The category should be put into categories populated with similar subcategories. For an example of this see George W. Bush and :Category:George W. Bush. When an article and the subcategory with the same name end up in the same category, the double listing sends the message to the user that there is an article about the topic, and there are also more articles to be found in the subcategory of the same name. It makes it easier to find main topic articles (by eliminating having to go to the subcategory). It also creates a complete listing of articles at the higher level category. It points readers of the topic article to the category and vice versa. 
I would like to suggest we take this basic approach for the Education category and its subcategories.  At the top level, the title article list would look something like the blue links below.  For the red links, a few title articles for the subcategories might apply, or that might be a good topic for a new article.  What do you think? Rfrisbietalk 23:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some sub-subcategory articles. Rfrisbietalk 01:47, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing no objections, I'm going to start working on this. Rfrisbietalk 18:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added blue links to main category. Rfrisbietalk 18:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education subcategory title articles 

message: The current classification of education is as follows:
Classification: Fundamental: Systems: Society: Culture: Education 
also: Fundamental: Systems: Education
Apparently, this is the result of an effort to eliminate category "loops." See the above discussion. An unfortunate side-effect of this effort is that education has been eliminated from categories such as :category:Applied sciences and :category:Social sciences.  This directly contradicts education's place in the articles, List of academic disciplines and Social sciences.  I'm going to place the following comment on the category page as a compromise, at least until something better comes along. Rfrisbietalk 17:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The classification of education and loops 

message: Would creating a :Category:Field of Study make sense for the following type of articles:
Engineering technology, Industrial technology etc.  Dbiel (Talk) 02:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems good to me. Twenty Years 15:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fields of Study