Talk:Manchester United F.C./Archive 2

message: I think we need a section on players who are currently injured. -M.Kris 03:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that doesn't seem encyclopaedic.  We'd probably end up with sections on transfer speculation and why Silvestre ever thought he could be a centre back if we did that.  CTOAGN (talk) 12:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Injured Players

message: I believed two anons changed Wayne Rooney and another player to the following names above. Would I clarify whether these two players are playing for MUFC? I am not so keen in soccer though, but I don't know whether this is vandalism. --Terence Ong 13:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know who Bradford Chan is, but Wesley Brown has been playing for United for years, although he's better known as Wes.  I've set up a redirect. CTOAGN (talk) 12:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bradford Chan]] and [[Wesley Brown]] 

message: Should this article be split, perhaps Manchester United F.C.(History) and current? Chris 19:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It already has, we have something like 5 articles on United's history - see the United template near the bottom of the article.  This is why I put comments in the text asking people not to make the history section in the article any longer than it was.  I wouldn't worry about article size until it gets to at least 50k, the 32k thing is an old recommendation from the days when there was a browser that wouldn't let you edit more than 32k at a time.  The history section could be trimmed down a bit though.  CTOAGN (talk) 12:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page size >36Kb 

message: I feel that this article should be in the nomination for featured article status. There are a number of pictures, references and links to web-sites. The article is also conscise and has an objective feel to it. Any comments? --Siva1979Talk to me 12:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article would need to go through the Peer Review process first, which will pick up on a lot of errors and what could still be done, before going through the feature article process.  The Arsenal F.C. article is featured, so it might not be a bad idea to see what that article's got that this one hasn't. Proto||type 15:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I had a go at getting it there last year, but realised that maintaining the article was more work than improving it.  It attracts so many edits from people who haven't read the Wikipedia guidelines (not their fault - we encourage people to edit articles straight away so we can't really complain) that keeping on top of people's opinions of who United should sign or two-paragraph entries on a new signing takes ages.  We've just created a list of articles that have this problem at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football which might make it easier, so I'll have another go at it if I get time.  CTOAGN (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article? 

message: Is it appropriate to have a list of so-called (in some cases) 'famous' people who support the club?  Surely it would be better to have a category 'Manchester United fans' which could identify these people if there is a WikiPage on them.  Then just have a link to the category on this page.  It'd help with the size issue too. MikesPlant 16:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've deleted it.  We've had this discussion before, both on this page and at WikiProject Football.  All the major English club pages got rid of them - most people agreed it was unencyclopaedic and a waste of space.  CTOAGN (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous fans - do we care? 

message: Just letting whoever it concerns know that I added an external link to the Official Man United Message board - Talking Reds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kev-Ryan (talk • contribs) 10:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talking Reds 

message: Is 76,000 all-seater the official capacity of Old Trafford? Does anyone know when the expansion had been completed? Finally, is Manchester United going to expand this capacity future in the future?
--Siva1979Talk to me 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The current expansion involved the 2 new quantrants will be fully completed at the start of next season, and at that stage the stadium's capacity will be 76,000 (give or take).  According to several sources (, , ), the long-term plan is to re-build the South Stand à la the North Stand, making OT a whopping 90,000 seat behemoth... DJR (Talk) 23:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, on a personal note, this is indeed very, very good news for me. As a Manchester United supporter, it had always been my dream to see Old Trafford as having the largest stadium capacity in Europe. I hope that these long term plans will materialize soon! But, is the expansion potential limited? I heard that a nearby railway network prevents Old Trafford from increasing to a gigantic size. Is that true? --Siva1979Talk to me 03:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a railway line right next to the ground with houses immediately behind it.  In the past there's been talk of building over the railway line and buying and demolishing the houses but it's always been rejected as costing too much.  I think it's unlikely to be expanded much further as supply and demand seem to be just about equal at the moment - they're selling out but only just for most games.  CTOAGN (talk) 08:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: In theory, they could rebuild the South Stand to the height of the west/east stands or their current land... however if they wanted to replicate the North Stand on the opposite side... then they would indeed have to build on top of the railway... unless some new technological engineering enables some sort of crazy structure... DJR (Talk) 21:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It's currently 73,006 and I think the official capacity will go up to 76,313 by the start of the 06/07 season. The figure comes from the FootballGroundGuide message board (link, however it's down due to virus problems at the moment... this link contains some of the info). Also, if I remember correctly, building a copy of the North Stand on the South Stand is unviable due to the railway line, it'd be far too expensive. Last I heard there could be a smaller 2nd tier on the South Stand, though, taking capacity to over 80,000. --CharlieT 12:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official capacity? 

message: Where it says Most Capped Player, is that only current players, as there are a lot more players that have played for United with more than VDS's 107 caps? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GingerM (talk • contribs) 14:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Caps are awarded for international games, not club games, so 107 is almost as high as it gets.  CTOAGN (talk) 08:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would make more sense to list Bobby Charlton as holding this record, as most of van der Sar's caps were earned while playing for other clubs. Charlton is the player to earn most caps as a Manchester United player. By the logic that puts van der Sar as the record holder, Bobby Charlton would hold the equivalent record for Preston North End. Oldelpaso 17:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting angle.  I sort of agree with you, but is that not changing the premise of that part of the article? Have both? TheCondor 10:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I thought Schmeichel and Charlton had more caps.--GingerM 17:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that solves that argument :P TheCondor 21:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caps

message: If User:Bluemooners is going to insist on including Shaun Goater as a noted Manchester United player I wish he'd learn how to properly use Wikipedia linking syntax! In any case, as ManU sold him to Rotherham after two years he hardly made much of an impression at Old Trafford  (- 0 games, 0 goals).... -- Arwel 13:29, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. You might as well have David Platt as well if Goater is going to be included. --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 14:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Bluemooners]]

message: Some of the loan players (season 2005/06) have already returned to the club. Jon Spector (due to injury) and Davey Jones are two I am aware of.  As the Championship season is over for most clubs I guess others have also returned but I dont have any supporting facts. When should this section be updated?  (I am new here so not familiar with the team workings).  -theCondor- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheCondor (talk • contribs) 17:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to the project.  If you see anything that you know is wrong or out of date, feel free to edit it.  Just to let you know, you can sign your name with a link to your user page by putting ~~~~ at the end of a message. CTOAGN (talk) 20:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: cheers! TheCondor 10:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Loan Players''' 

message: Spotted the vandalism up there on the club name and I don't know how to change it =( Could someone change it? It's a bit uneasy seeing that on bold and big. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.130.234.67 (talk • contribs) 13:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: reverted --Mattarata 14:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: There's more vandalism about diving. Seems to have survived a few reverts. Sprouty76 15:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalised 

message: "The club has had the highest average attendance in English football the past 50 seasons. [1]" - from the intro.
I seem to recall that when seating at Old Trafford was being increased, for one season MU didn't have the highest average attendence (mentioned on a Premership video if I recall correctly), but I'm unsure where to check. 86.133.110.239 16:43, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following link should help - http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/attneng.htm - according to that, Liverpool had the highest crowds in 87-88 and 88-89, whilst there was some redevelopment at Old Trafford. Liverpool also had the highest top flight crowds in 74-75, however, Manchester United were in the 2nd division and had an even higher average crowd. So the last time Man Utd didn't have the highest crowds, with the exception of redevelopment, would have been the 71-72 season, only 34 years. I've corrected it, and the link. --CharlieT 13:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record attendence 

message: Can the pedantic City fans who keep changing the location to be "Stretford" or "Greater Manchester" please stop it. The city of Manchester comprises nine boroughs - not just the metropolitan borough of Manchester itself. By the logic you are applying there are no football clubs in London - as the City of London only covers one square mile!! This is an international resource and Manchester United do play in Manchester! 84.70.37.64 22:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pedantry regarding location 

message: Is there any reason why the European Cup (as I believe it was known in 1956) is referred to as the Champions Cup in the records section? --Aenimiac 18:09, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was technically the "European Champion Clubs' Cup", so either name is probably acceptable. - Pal 19:39, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Champions Cup 

message: Either alphabetize or list by chronological order. Yonatanh 23:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous players 

message: please edit the shirt picture out as many people have not seen it yet an dont want to untill it is revailed.
:The kit has been unveiled now but I think that image should be removed as it isn't a very good quality image. I'm not sure a real life image of the kit needs to be included in the article (for any football team, I could only imagine it being appropriate in a separate article listing all the kits for football teams in the league) Also, the football kit template needs to be edited to look like the new kit. I'm not sure how to go about doing it so I'll leave it up to someone else. Diddy Didds 15:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have a good at it. What do the shorts and socks look like?--HamedogTalk|@ 05:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, it looks really really complicated.--HamedogTalk|@ 12:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Shirt 

message: I've noticed that someone is changing the City that Old Trafford is in from Manchester to Trafford. The Infobox at the top of the page says Manchester so shouldn't that information be continuous throughout the article? Diddy Didds 14:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Trafford Location

message: Is Manchester United a publically traded company and if so what is their ticker symbol?  Thank you.  John R G 05:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not anymore. They are back in private hands after the Glazers bought them. Jastein 06:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stock Exchange