Talk:Penor Rinpoche

message: Love to know why the article is considered to be written like an ad.  I'd take a shot at fixing it!  Not clear on this from reading all the info here.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Magwep (talk • contribs) Zero sharp 02:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that this article was, at the time the preceding comment was left, a copyright violation from . Since Sylvain's rewrite a few days ago, it's probably kosher now.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 19:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ad? 

message: The article only states the year. Nietzsche 2 (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: Cause? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 00:58, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: *Added in the part "Life in Tibet" Full name as per The Garland of Immortal Wish-Fulfilling Trees[GOIWFT]
*Designation for the year of birth as "Water Monkey" as well as the 12th month -[GOIWFT] .
*Added links to articles in Rigpa Wiki and Rangjung Yeshe Wiki, -External Links section.
*Added new section: The Successive Incarnations of the Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche
*A proposition to integrate information from the main Nyingma article into the statements in regards to the "Head of the Nyingma" sectiion, giving some better background to the idea and also write Kyabje Penor Rinpoche statement into it.
*No feedback is receive so far in over a month, publishing my edits on the "Head of Nyingmapa" part, for convenience retaining older and proposed / published versions in here.
Within article on the Nyingma it is written:
 "There was never a single "head of the lineage" in the manner of either the Ganden Tripa or Dalai Lama of the Gelugpa, the Karmapa of the Karma Kagyu, or the Sakya Trizin of the Sakya. It was only recently in exile in India that this role was created at the request of the Tibetan Government in Exile, and it is largely administrative. Nevertheless, the lamas who have served in this role are among the most universally highly regarded. They are:
* Dudjom Rinpoche (c. 1904–1987), served from the 1960s until his death.
* Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche (c. 1910–1991), served from 1987 until his death.
* Penor (Pema Norbu) Rinpoche (1932-2009) served from 1991 until retirement in 2003.
* Mindroling Trichen Rinpoche (c. 1930–2008), served from 2003 until his death.
* Trulshik Rinpoche (1923-), served from 2010-present. Selected after Chatral Rinpoche declined the position.[11]"  
Existing text:
In 1992 HH Penor Rinpoche was elected the Supreme Head of the Nyingmapa, the oldest of the schools of Tibetan Buddhism.  He served in this post until 2003 at which point he retired from his duties and was succeeded by the late His Holiness Mindrolling Trichen Rinpoche. (As of February 21, 2008, a new head of Nyingmapa has not been elected.)
The position, a ceremonial and administrative role created in the wake of the Tibetan diaspora, is conferred upon those lamas held in the highest esteem by a consensus of Nyingma lamas, Rinpoches, tulkus, and khenpos. Penor Rinpoche himself succeeded H. H. Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche.
Published text:
===Head of the Nyingmapa===
Within the Nyingma school there was no main throneholder; thus, upon onset of the Tibetan diaspora, there was a request from the Tibetan Government in Exile to the Nyingmapa followers to request someone to be such a representative: someone of the highest esteem who could be responsible for all of the Nyingma followers. Request was usually made during Nyingma Monlam Chenmo in Bodhgaya.
* Dudjom Jigdral Yeshe Dorje (c. 1904–1987), was unanimously requested to become first Head of the Nyingmapas and served from the 1960s until passing away.
* Dilgo Khyentse (c. 1910–1991), was requested to become second Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 1987 until his passing away.
* Drubwang Padma Norbu Rinpoche (1932–2009), was requested to become third Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 1991 until retirement in 2001. 
::: Kyabje Penor Rinpoche statement on retirement at palyul.orghttp://www.palyul.org/docs/announce.html Kyabje Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche statement in 2001 in regards to the position of The Head of the Nyingmapas and on the retirement.
* Mindrolling Trichen (c. 1930–2008), was requested to become fourth Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 2003 until his passing away.
* Chatral Sangye Dorje was requested to become fifth Head of the Nyingmapas, but declined.
* Trulshik Rinpoche (1923-2011) served as the fifth Head of the Nyingmapas from 2010 until his passing away.
* Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche (1926-2015), served from 2012 until his passing away.
* Katok Getse Rinpoche (1954-2018), Was asked to assume the role in 2018 for the agreed 3 year rotation period, has accepted but passed away before completion of the term.
* Dzogchen Rinpoche(b. 1964) Was asked to assume the role in 2019 for the agreed 3 year rotation period but declined. 
* Shechen Rabjam Rinpoche Was asked to assume the role in 2019 for the agreed 3 year rotation period but declined. Issuing the statement which with everyone's agreement resulted in the position responsibilities transfer to the head of Nyingma Monlam Chenmo.
::Two years later, at the 31st Nyingma Monlam, repeated requests were made to Kyabje Shechen Rabjam Rinpoche to accept the position. Rinpoche replied that “with the insistence of a continued appointment of a ‘head of the tradition’, there is a danger that it may bring more harm than benefit to the Nyingma lineage”. Rabjam Rinpoche went on to say that there isn’t a need to appoint a Head of Tradition. He suggested that as the Nyingma Monlam involves all Nyingmapa organizations, and as the appointed head of the Committee is already engaged in activities concerning the benefit of beings and the teaching of the Buddha, it would be adventitious if they would assume the duties previously undertaken by the lineage head. The committee has decided to implement the suggestions made by Rabjam Rinpoche. The organization committee, in addition to its work and commitment to the welfare of beings, “will also take the responsibility to continually select and request high lamas and responsible individuals from the various Nyingma institutions to lead the Monlam Committee and act in accordance with the above. -As quoted at the time in phayul.com As quoted at the time in the phayul.com http://www.phayul.com/2020/02/04/42548
* by Sherabgyatso (talk) 06:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  my edits 

message: Within the Nyingma school there was no main throneholder; thus, upon onset of the Tibetan diaspora, there was a request from the Tibetan Government in Exile to the Nyingmapa followers to request someone to be such a representative: someone of the highest esteem who could be responsible for all of the Nyingma followers. Request was usually made during Nyingma Monlam Chenmo in Bodhgaya.
* Dudjom Jigdral Yeshe Dorje (c. 1904–1987), was unanimously requested to become first Head of the Nyingmapas and served from the 1960s until passing away.
* Dilgo Khyentse (c. 1910–1991), was requested to become second Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 1987 until his passing away.
* Drubwang Padma Norbu Rinpoche (1932–2009), was requested to become third Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 1991 until retirement in 2001. 
::: Kyabje Penor Rinpoche statement on retirement at palyul.orghttp://www.palyul.org/docs/announce.html Kyabje Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche statement in 2001 in regards to the position of The Head of the Nyingmapas and on the retirement.
* Mindrolling Trichen (c. 1930–2008), was requested to become fourth Head of the Nyingmapas and served from 2003 until his passing away.
* Chatral Sangye Dorje was requested to become fifth Head of the Nyingmapas, but declined.
* Trulshik Rinpoche (1923-2011) served as the fifth Head of the Nyingmapas from 2010 until his passing away.
* Taklung Tsetrul Rinpoche (1926-2015), served from 2012 until his passing away.
* Katok Getse Rinpoche (1954-2018), Was asked to assume the role in 2018 for the agreed 3 year rotation period, has accepted but passed away before completion of the term.
* Dzogchen Rinpoche(b. 1964) Was asked to assume the role in 2019 for the agreed 3 year rotation period but declined. 
* Shechen Rabjam Rinpoche Was asked to assume the role in 2019 for the agreed 3 year rotation period but declined. Issuing the statement which with everyone's agreement resulted in the position responsibilities transfer to the head of Nyingma Monlam Chenmo.
::Two years later, at the 31st Nyingma Monlam, repeated requests were made to Kyabje Shechen Rabjam Rinpoche to accept the position. Rinpoche replied that “with the insistence of a continued appointment of a ‘head of the tradition’, there is a danger that it may bring more harm than benefit to the Nyingma lineage”. Rabjam Rinpoche went on to say that there isn’t a need to appoint a Head of Tradition. He suggested that as the Nyingma Monlam involves all Nyingmapa organizations, and as the appointed head of the Committee is already engaged in activities concerning the benefit of beings and the teaching of the Buddha, it would be adventitious if they would assume the duties previously undertaken by the lineage head. The committee has decided to implement the suggestions made by Rabjam Rinpoche. The organization committee, in addition to its work and commitment to the welfare of beings, “will also take the responsibility to continually select and request high lamas and responsible individuals from the various Nyingma institutions to lead the Monlam Committee and act in accordance with the above. -As quoted at the time in phayul.com As quoted at the time in the phayul.com http://www.phayul.com/2020/02/04/42548
* by Sherabgyatso (talk) 06:24, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Head of the Nyingmapa

message: Existing text and the heading:
The Successive Incarnations of the Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche
*The First Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche (1679–1757, aged 79). The 3rd Throne Holder of the Palyul Tradition.
*The Second Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche, Pema Kunzang Tenzin Norbu also known as Thubten Chokyi Langpo, also known as Rigdzin Palchen Dupa (1887–1932, aged 46). The 9th Throne Holder of the Palyul Tradition.
*The Third Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche, Thubten Lekshed Chokyi Drayang also known as Do-ngag Shedrup Tenzin Chog-lei Namgyal (1932–2009, aged 77). The 11th Throne Holder of the Palyul Tradition.
*Pema Dorjee from Dagpo, the 12th Throne Holder of Palyul, enthroned on July 31, 2014.Reincarnation of former head of Tibet's oldest sect enthroned, Phayul.com, July 31, 2014
Entry for the Penor Rinpoche Yangzi should read The Fourth Drubwang Pema Norbu Rinpoche, Mingyur Dechen Garwang Zilnon Dorje. The young incarnation is not 12 Palyul Throneholder, Kyabje Karma Kuchen Rinpoche is. 
There should be a link to each Penor Rinpoche page on the wiki system, even if they do not exist yet.
Replaced Reference 3 with Archive for the ‘His Holiness Penor Rinpoche’ Category news.palyul.org for the correct information on the enthronement. 
Sherabgyatso (talk) 03:10, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
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message: Why does this article not mention Penor Rimpoche's annointing of Steven Seagal as a tulku? It has had a serious effect on his reputation among some westerners, and (so I understand) among many tibetans.
I notice that the Seagal article also lacks any mention of this startling decision (although the article is tagged 'Tulku'). 
Has there been a policy decision to sweep this event under the wikicarpet?
MrDemeanour (talk) 17:24, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I was about to ask the same question. --187.4.6.107 (talk) 16:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Seagal tulku 

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