Talk:Windermere, Cumbria (town)

message: This link was added to the article after discussion on the WP Reliable Sources Noticeboard. See: WP:RSN exercise. No information from the CCHT link has been put into the body of the article in the form of citations because it has not yet been verified for 100% accuracy by the Victoria County History project for Cumbria. (This will take some years to do).  Laplacemat (talk) 15:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: With Cumbria being split into the two unitary authorities (Westmorland and Furness, and Cumberland) Cumbria remains solely as a ceremonial county. Is it therefore appropriate to use "Cumbria" in the article name? Over time, I would guess that each of the new authorities will seek to raise their profiles, and the identifier of the older county name will become less relevant. I don't have any fixed opinion on thisbut I think the question needs to be asked. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:17, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, it's an established Wikipedia convention to disambiguate by ceremonial county, rather than any other sort of county, so no change is needed. This isn't the first time that a non-metropolitan county has been abolished but the ceremonial county has continued (e.g. Cheshire, Bedfordshire).  Dr Greg  talk  21:48, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be picky, the two Cumbrian villages of Troutbeck rather prove the muddle one can get in with this. The northern one used to be in Cumberland, with the southern one in Westmorland. Then they both ended up in Cumbria, so Wikipedia has them as Troutbeck, Eden and Troutbeck, South Lakeland. If they had been in the same historic county, their names would have been modified to suit (like East Grinstead and West Grinstead, both in West Sussex). As it turns out, the two Troutbecks will end up in Westmorland and Furness. (So, that may well be a problem.) Cumbria is a very large areayour examples of Cheshire and Bedfordshire would fit within each of the new entities into which Cumbria divides. I expect that to produce two strong local identities - bearing in mind that one of the two is (largely) a case of going back to a historic county. Whilst this is not a problem right now, I think we need to keep in mind how this situation might develop. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 23:38, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well "disambiguate by ceremonial county" is the primary method, but that won't always work when the name is still ambiguous, so moving down to smaller subdivisions is fine when it becomes necessary. Troutbeck is a good example where we'll need to think of something else, as both Eden and South Lakeland will be abolished. -- Dr Greg  talk  23:58, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ultimately we might need to take some of the principles from WP:COMMONNAME in providing disambiguation, but I suppose that is for the future.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Westmorland and Furness is the name of the local council not the name of the county. Cumbria has not been abolished. --Devokewater 09:19, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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