Talk:Chaos Space Marines

message: The Chaos Space Marines are kind of complicated to paint and are good in close combat. In the dawn of war game the graphics are really good and give you a good pespective as to what they look like in real life (Note:they aren't actually real i was reffering to the models)-—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.252.128.18 (talk • contribs) 
What does this have to do with the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.77.21.240 (talk) 18:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The way I've always understood it is that the Black Legion are the devoted warriors of Chaos Undivided,not the word bearers.
-Grim- 16:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the last codex (the current one [I don't think the new one is out yet?]), the Word Bearers raise temples and things to the glory of Chaos.  The Black Legion follow no single Chaos power, including Undivided, but can (and do) follow any power they individually choose.  In fact, according to the older fluff, the Black Legion suffered from a shortage of marines due to the constant swapping of the power(s) they followed. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 16:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This is odd...

message: Poor Chaos Space Marines! They look, almost, well, scorned! ROFL! Then again... who doesn't scorn them? Not to mention people everywhere are looking down on them as evils. I have personal reasons why I don't ever interact or even look at the Chaos Space Marines, but that doesn't mean they ought to be scorned. Colonel Marksman 20:22, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor Chaos!

message: I have:
* An overall page of general guidelines
* A list that defines different types of articles on differt subjects
:* For Armies "Army Page"
:* For Technology "Technology Page" (equivalent to "Weapons, Vehicles, Equipment Page", or, "WVE page")
:* For Notable Planets "Notable Planet Page"
:* (User:Pak21 already made guidelones for notable characters, but a link to that is included)
* A statement of purpose for my guidelines
* Left room for more guidelines to come
--Nothing offical will be done with the guidelines (moved or put to use) until several Wikipedians involved in the Warhammer 40,000 project have verified it.--
Colonel Marksman's Proposed Guidelines
Colonel Marksman 20:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested 40k Article Guidelines

message: There is much better Horus Heresy article available already, do we really need to have another one here? I think a short note should be enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.51.254.240 (talk • contribs) .
:I agree entirely. If you've got time, please be bold and improve things. Cheers --Pak21 20:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaos Space Marines and Horus Heresy 

message: Someone should add a section about the Red Corsairs and the The Maelstrom. I don't have the information with me but I know it exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.232.154.111 (talk • contribs) 
:Wow, how did that get missed?  I'll see about adding a blurb about post-Heresy Chaos Marines this evening. --DarthBinky 15:50, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Corsairs 

message: I did a pretty big cleanup of this article yesterday.  I cut out a lot of extraneous info that can be discussed in wikified articles- as someone else mentioned, there was already an article about the Horus Heresy, so another discussion of it here is just redundant.  Same goes for talking about details like Abaddon's relationship with Horus (discussed in Abaddon's article) or the fates of the various Primarchs (discussed in the article for the relevant legion).
The one thing I felt uneasy about was the "recruitment" section.  I cut it down significantly, but I feel that it really doesn't need to be in a general article about Chaos Marines; that sort of minutiae seems to me to be outside the realm of an encyclopedia (except maybe an encyclopedia dedicated specifically to the subject).  I left the section for now, but I'd like to remove it- so if someone can think of a reason to keep it, please, post it.
I also welcome any further help anyone wants to give, of course.  Just remember that this doesn't need to entirely replicate all of GW's background "fluff"- it just needs the basics to give people an idea of what they are should be sufficient.  If someone wants to get more in-depth info, they can go to the Lexicanum wiki (I think that's what it's called), or buy the books like we did. :) 
Cheers --DarthBinky 19:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup done; keep recruitment? 

message: Someone needs to update the Chaos Space Marines to standards like the other armies of Warhammer 40,000. It can't be me, because I know almost jack squat. Colonel Marksman 00:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

message: :Image:Codex-Chaos Space Marines.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Codex-Chaos Space Marines.jpg

message: The individual pages are not notable. The main page is notable. The subpages only exist with the main page and contain too much excess and fan fluff. The only way to keep the Chaos Space Marines page is to combine them all. The masses seem to want to keep the main page, but the others are not significant. The person who reverted my edit is a blatant liar, because the Articles for Deletion page has a Merge All as a third vote, and others proposing similar things. NobutoraTakeda 20:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, no consensus has been agrred upon, on wheter to leave the articles "as is", merge them or delete them.  Until such time, a merge should not happen.Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 21:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: In fact, according to the AfD at the moment (and I realise the AfD hasn't been up long), the consensus is for the articles to be kept, so performing a merge is premature. Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 21:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

text: You own edit history said you merged two of the pages.  If you didn't actually merge the pages (just copied the info) then fine, but that still doesn't negate the point that the current consensus is to keep the seperate pages, and not to merge them.Darkson (Yabba Dabba Doo!) 21:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chaos Space Marines Page

message: Hey all,
Forgive me for saying so, but all else aside, Wikipedia is an online source of information, right? I was pleasantly surprised to find the CMS articles - including information on specific Legions, Primarchs, etc. within the treasure trove that is Wiki. With regard to secondary sources, naturally there are few, as the entire thing is owned and created by Games Workshop. Realistically, you'd encounter similar problems with something like Star Wars. Sure, there may be different publications that are all consistent, but that's because it's all carefully vetted and approved by Lucasfilm anyway. My point is, how can you expect a wealth of secondary sources for something like this? Surely the spirit of the thing is to allow more people more access to this sort of information, should they want it. It's likely only fans will be looking, in any case. As to merging all the articles into one, well, could you imagine just merging everything about Star Wars into one article? Clearly, it would be burdensome, way too big, and wouldn't work. Warhammer 40K is that huge (well, almost). It is decades old, in one form or another, and a game that is enjoyed worldwide. Are we not being a little precious about maintaining some sort of objectivity and factual integrity, when, with all said and done, we are talking about a vastly successful work of fantasy? Would we lambast a Tolkien article which told us all about the history of Middle Earth, and had sub articles on Rohan, Gondor, etc. and say that it had to all be merged into one "Tolkien" page?
Just my $0.02...
Gamer and Wiki Surfer
Canada
24.137.95.154 00:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Star Wars has thousands of respectable and reliable sources discussing the various topics and issues of the films. Chaos Space Marines do not. Each topic has to be notable on its own. Many of the Tolkein topics are. Others like Tolkein horses are not. NobutoraTakeda 01:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaos Space Marines page 

message: I'm not quite sure what's going on with the recent edits to this page, but they were broken in formatting, and removed large chunks of the article so I have reverted them. If there's actual content to be added here, please do it, but also please ensure that you don't break the page while doing it. Cheers --Pak21 13:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: This appears to be a spillover of the AFD as another way to get the page deleted. See that for a (rather lively) discussion of how the subject is notable. To summarize: There is 20+ years of coverage of the topics in the press and industry, from table top gaming to computer gaming to music to art to the gaming industry. It isn't just a collection of rabid fans, Warhammer 40k and this specific topic (Chaos Space Marines) are notable outside the 40k community and have received innumerable references from reliable sources. Yes, I can't point you to a time magazine article , but how about a museum having an event with coverage by the BBC and attended by 50,000 people? http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/articles/2006/08/10/warhammer_event_feature.shtml  
Gront (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-notability template

message: I think the same thing has happened to the other individual faction pages. Why have the races been genericised? There are plenty of less notable equivalents in other subjects. 86.130.77.146 (talk) 22:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: as a casual reader i agree. i liked the individual army pages, came back here to find them and they're gone? shame. Onesecondglance (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: What the hell happened to the individual Legion pages?

message: (Before anyone asks this is not about deletionists.)
Should the Luna Wolves redirect here or to Space Marines? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 13:04, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: I'm guessing the user:Oxley01 and RobertOxley is the same guy, who keeps adding this stuff about alpha legion on the page. I'm not sure it should be there as if we put something on the A.Legion we'd have to list all the notable legions so i've reverted it for now 92.12.36.72 (talk) 22:04, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alpha Legion 

message: Name No. Primarch Primarch's world Current base of operations In game description Emperor's Children III Fulgrim Chemos (Unknown status, presumed destroyed) Eye of Terror Once the most loyal and steadfast defenders of humanity, the Emperor's Children now are hedonistic devotees of Slaanesh, deriving pleasure from the most extreme actions and sensations. They are also renowned for sonic weaponry. Iron Warriors IV Perturabo Olympia (Destroyed) Medrengard (Eye of Terror) The Iron Warriors are siege and trench warfare specialists. They favor heavy weaponry and fortifications. Night Lords VIII Konrad Curze/Night Haunter Nostramo (Destroyed) Eye of Terror The Night Lords specialize in raids and terror tactics, taking special interest in psychological warfare. World Eaters XII Angron Unknown (Destroyed) Eye of Terror The World Eaters are the chosen ones of Khorne and favor close combat. The Legion has devolved into bloodthirsty fanatics with no organized command structure, with a common desire to spill blood and collect skulls for their God. Death Guard XIV Mortarion Barbarus (Destroyed) Plague Planet (Eye of Terror) The Death Guard are plague-ridden devotees of Nurgle who are driven to spread plague and pestilence across the galaxy to please their god. They are amongst the most organized of the Chaos Space Marines. Thousand Sons XV Magnus the Red Prospero (Destroyed) Planet of the Sorcerers (Eye of Terror) The Primarch of the Thousand Sons became fascinated by magic and during one of his rites had a vision of Horus's betrayal. The Emperor ignored his warning and condemned his use of forbidden magic, sending the Space Wolves legion to bring Magnus back to Terra to answer for his crimes. Magnus and the Thousand Sons managed to escape the assault on Prospero and sided with Chaos to ensure survival. The Thousand Sons are favoured by Tzeentch and value knowledge. The battle brothers of the Legion have been rendered to dust trapped inside their armour by a spell called the Rubric of Ahriman, with only the Legion's Sorcerers spared to lead their brethren. Luna Wolves / Sons of Horus / Black Legion XVI Horus Cthonia (Destroyed) Eye of Terror The Luna Wolves were renamed to Sons of Horus in honor of Warmaster Horus before the Horus Heresy erupted. After Horus’s death, Abaddon the Despoiler renamed them as the Black Legion, to forever mourn their primarch's death. The Sons of Horus were once considered the greatest of all the legions. Horus was named the Emperor's heir and Warmaster before his betrayal. Word Bearers XVII Lorgar Colchis (Destroyed) Sicarus (Eye of Terror), Ghalmek (Maelstrom) The Word Bearers are strongly religious, worshipping the Gods of Chaos as a pantheon. They are the only Traitor Legion to maintain the use of Chaplain-like officers, which the Word Bearers refer to as "Dark Apostles". They are known for never retreating even when facing certain destruction, particular when facing the hated Ultramarines Chapter. The Word Bearers are feared greatly for their frequent use of demonic allies in their strike forces. Entire planets are turned into unholy temple worlds to gather favor in summoning rites for a coming battle. Alpha Legion XX Alpharius Unknown Unknown Subtlety and covert operations are this Legion's forté, using minimalistic but devastating force against their enemies. Alpharius was revealed to have had an identical twin named Omegon who could serve as Primarch in Alpharius's stead. The brothers were described as being "one soul in two bodies" in an encounter with a Xenos group called the Cabal. With that same presence, they were told that they had to side with Horus for the Galaxy's sake. In the novel Legion, Alpharius says that "... So what I do ... from this moment on, I will do for the Emperor." This suggests that even though his Legion turned, he remains loyal to the Emperor. In the table-top wargame Warhammer 40,000, the Chaos Space Marines or Chaos Marines, are Space Marines who serve the Chaos Gods. They are also referred to as the Traitor Legions, primarily in background material written from the perspective of the Imperium.
wat is this?? its way too long to be an intro.....and its like the history  of the chaos space marines....
can someone plz do something about it....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.60.233.245 (talk) 08:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro 

message: The article was destroyed and if somebody doesn't redo it, then it should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.41.155.190 (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NUKE 

message: I avidly follow the Warhammer 40k Universe, and can dig as deep into this as anyone else wants to... but I've also kept up with the other discussions on Warhammer 40k and have found that it is best wiki keeps a vague grasp on this universe because of it's expansive nature. I will say that I am new to this wiki editing thing so I cannot site rules / regulations / reasons for deletion or keeping articles quite yet, as I am still learning... but as far as specific army pages; I think that they should be left to more specific wiki style sites such as the Lexicanum. As I have noticed, the reasons for deletion of many of the Warhammer pages have been the 'fluff' factor. Objectively, I say that the 'fluff' is removed. It serves no one, new or experienced followers of WH40K. I move for the deletion of specific army stubs, in favor of perhaps short subtabs in the main chaos page listing the Chaos Marine Legions and their affiliations with the powers they worship. As I said, I'm new, but I have an expansive library of WH40k books, and can explain and site any feature of the 'fluff' as needed. User:Slau-dha (talk) 07:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete. 

message: What is a world eater? Is it a nickname for chaos marines?  It's mentioned in other media, but never outright stated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zendu (talk • contribs) 21:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Chaos Space Marines who serve Khorne--92.238.45.211 (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: world eaters

message: Why isn't this article merged with the Space Marine/Chaos Space Marine article? Most other legions/chapters link or redirect to the generic W40k, Space Marine, or Chaos Space Marine pages. Leonnatus (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

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