Talk:Pan-Iranism

message: I'm not commenting on context but there is huge contrast between English and azari or so called "turkje" pages. so do not rely on Wikipedia for this term.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.121.68.97 (talk) 08:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of it is Azeri Turk propaganda and lies. Etemad 04:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide sources for your edits first. Your claim is ridiculous, what is exactly "Azeri Turk propoganda" in the article?! --K a s h  Talk | email 10:19, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have provided link. What is "Azeri Turk propaganda"? You should know better than anyone since you are Azeri Turk (pictures do not lie).  Etemad 09:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: 1- I am not "Azeri Turk". 2- Aziers are not ethnic Turk. 3- See WP:AGF, unless you provide what is propoganda, your POV about everything does not belong to this encyclopedia. Your statement about founder of Pan-Iranist being "ethnic turk" is hilarious perhaps you should reconsider your edits here and discuss them here first. "Iranian.com" is not an academic and reliable source, see WP:V not that it had anything to do with the article in the first place. --K a s h  Talk | email 10:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I have 99.9% certainty that the above poster is Oslonor (who himself is a Turkish nationalist posing as a Persian and spreading anti-Azari disinformation). He has a history of this behaviour. Weareconcerned 09:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually pashtuns are Iranians in the language sense. It is your fault that you do not know what Iranian means here. 22:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: I would suggest to Pejman47 that he check the definition of plateau. Additionally, claiming Arran and Armenia, both part of the Caucasus, as part of the plateau is just plain silly. The actual article on the Iranian plateau needs a lot of work, so don't rely on that for your education on the matter. Atashparast 22:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with Iranian plateau is just that you don't like it. If you think it has wrong infos Try correcting it first. --Pejman47 23:07, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with the article is that it is factually incorrect. The other problem is that you and a few others here seem to have a nationalistic point-of-view. Wikipedia is not here to promote Pan-Iranism or any other such ideology. Atashparast 01:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regardless, when there is a dispute you should discuss your changes first. Especially when you're making such major changes. --Behnam 06:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is not actually part of the Iranian plateau, but traditionally Iranian languages were spoken there (Tati, Talysh, Azeri) So it was historically part of Iran sometimes. The text may not be accurate, but stop $i&@hing about minor details. 22:20, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Iranian plateau

message: Yes according to a popular theory Croats belive that they stem from ancient Iranian tribes (Sramathians most probably), the same theory says more or less that also Serbs and Bosnians are from this tribe. see this http://www.magma.ca/~rendic/chapter1.htm there dozens of srticles and books about this. A Romanian friend also once told me that there is a theory that the ancient Dacians of Romania were Iranians. I have not read it anywere but it makes sense, because as Ukraine (Scythia) was an Iranian land and they were also found in the Balkans so Romania most probably has been too. Also remember when Darius went to fight with the Scythians (Iranians) he crossed Danube (the border between the contemporary Bulgaria and Romania), while if there were no Scythians (Iranians) in Romania, then he could attack the scythians Via Central Asia or the Caucasus! He also pointed to some artifacts of Dacians which resembled those of Scythians. Anyway. Another people who you should not forget are the Jaszy of Hungary. As the name suggests they are releated to the Ossetians. In fact they are Alans who entered this region (Central Hungary). They have already forgotten their language but are still or (were for a long time) aware of their ethnicity. 
It is debated whether or not Armenians are Iranians. The Armenian language is very close to the Iranian languages. Things are similar which could not be said that they are taken over from (other) Iranian languages. Most probably Armenian is a separate branch of the Iranian languages (next to the west eg. persian, Kurdish etc... and East eg. Ossetian, Pamir etc...). Addinf to that the Armenian aristocracy and kings have been of parthian origins. So You can consider them as Iranian peoples or not. Most Armenians however do not like to be related to Iranians  and a lot I have encountered are very hostile to Iranians. The main reason is the religiosu difference, not knowing that Ossetians (who do not deny their Iranianness)are also Orthodox Christians. Having said this Georgians who are a Kartvelian people have assimilated many ossetians (Alans) in them. Moreover the georgian ancient kings and aristocracy have been of Parthian origins too. So maybe you can only mention this without listing it.
Babakexorramdin 12:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Babakexorramdin, this isn't a blog, but public encyclopedia. Claiming that Azeris and Uzbeks are partially or fully of Iranian descent is not a serious scholarly claim, it's merely an irredentist nationalist indoctrination and pure WP:OR. Reasserting this WP:POV, while claiming that Pan-Iranism was ethnically and linguistically inclusive and solely concerned with territorial nationalism, rather than ethnic or racial nationalism is inconsistent: 1) The map on the page is not based on any territorial nationalism, but ethno-racial nationalism; 2) If pan-Iranism is "ethnically and linguistically inclusive", why Armenians are not claimed as part of it. In fact, I am surprised that Armenia is not listed under Template:History of Greater Iran, while essentially being part of territory covered by "Pan-Iranism". Atabəy (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some other facts 

message: I have always wondered wether Pan-Iranism actually exists. These Pan things must be defined, Pan-Turkism and Pan-Arabism do have ideals and even mythologies, historical narratives. If one is to define that, he must first collect a set of ideals which identify that Pan-Iranism. As far as I know, Pan-Iranism is not a significant force anywhere, the chauvinism we see in Iran is Islamic dictatorship which demands uniformity, Persian language is only a tool here. They would be happier if they could use Arabic instead, which they are actually planning to do, as they have done with our history books several times, omitting pre-Islamic figures out of school books. So outside the turkish literature I have never heard this word. Why is that? Is it part of the Pan-Tukist propaganda? Do they need to create such an imaginary enemy?
So please define it in detail, or else this is a Wikipedia article about something which only exists in a Wikipedia article. 22:33, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pan-Iranism non-existence? 

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