Talk:History of Armenia

message: What does this goddess have to do with anything? I mean even the unreable source it comes from does not state any relation to Armenia.
So why is it there?    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.85.98.210 (talk) 06:40, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: goddess haya

message: Original unsigned poster didn't use English - translated >> Two Armenians standing on the head of a pregnant woman, whose hands were tied behind a tree, were tossing a coin. This bloody gamble was played by his ancestors in Kars, Ağrı, Van and Erzurum in Anatolian soil about 100 years ago. They had heard of them. The birth of a poor Azerbaijani woman on her nose seemed pretty imminent. The desperate woman was trembling like a cannabis leaf. Their clothes were torn, their feet were bare ... While the tall one of the Armenians took out the mobile bayonet mounted on the barrel of the AK-47 model Russian automatic rifle in his hand, the other threw the coin in the air: -Any, manch? .. (Girl or boy?) -Again ... (Girl) Upon this answer, the Armenian, who made a bet by saying "boy", cut the pregnant woman's belly with a blunt in his hand and took the child out. Inger ... (You won, comrade) -Yes masterpiece apayts moon-and-a-half inch five bidigish ... (I won, but how will this baby be fed?) -Payrigi bedge gişdatsine. (Mother will feed, of course) Upon this, the smaller Armenian, in one move, stuck the baby, which she had passed to the bayonet, on her mother's breast: -Mayrig is ziz. (Give a meme to the kid) At the same time, there was only one goal football match preparation in another district of Khojaly. The two severed zerî women made their heads a goal post and started looking for a ball. If we go out ... (This is both balding and small, well rounded. Pull it off ...) At the same time, the body of the child fell to one side and his head to the middle. with his bloody boots, he was trying to score a goal in a bloody goal by hitting the cut boy on his head. These two events took place in Khojaly only 14 years ago, not more than that. Both events are the accounts of the eyewitnesses who personally witnessed the massacres of the Armenian gangsters. Unfortunately, on February 26, 1992, thousands of people were brutally murdered by various methods. While the news of the massacre was passing rapidly to the whole world, the rest of the people of Khojaly, who experienced a heavy brutality that shook the Arsh, were writhing in despair. Turkey is in a great dread-inspiring images for the first massacre was announced by means of the TRT. Western journalists, especially the New York Times, documented everything. On February 26, the armed forces of Armenia, equipped with powerful weapons, and the 366 'under the command of Colonel Zarvigarov stationed in Khankendi. The Third Russian Motorized Regiment attacked Khojaly and committed one of the most brutal massacres in history. On the night of February 26, with the cannon and rocket attacks from the tanks of the Russian motorized regiment, Khojaly Airport was rendered unusable and the city's relationship with the outside world was completely cut off. Russian-backed Armenian soldiers, who entered the vulnerable city, brutally murdered many of our people, regardless of children, the elderly, women and babies. Terrible events took place in Khojaly, which was occupied by the Armenians. They skinned the scalps of living living people. Those they captured alive were subjected to systematic torture and medical experiments, and subjected them to inhuman treatment. They cut the limbs of alive people with sawmills and saws. They skinned the young girls' hair first and then their scalp. His son in front of his father's eyes, They shot the father in front of the boy's eyes. They stuffed the cut heads into baskets. So what was this hostility? hung on the maps in their school walls in Armenia Turkey's 12 provinces position among, Armenia's when the official in Turkey's borders in Mount Ararat flag, Armenia National Anthem "occupied our lands, the dead to liberate these lands, kill!" I guess there is no need to look for another reason anyway. It was officially announced that 613 Azerbaijani Turks lost their lives as a result of the attacks carried out by the Armenian Armed Forces with the support of the 366th Regiment of the former Soviet Alliance Armed Forces in Khojaly in the Nagorno-Karabakh Region. However, it is known that the number of casualties is much higher than these figures. 56 pregnant women were found with a split belly. While 487 people were seriously injured in this despicable attack, 1275 people were taken hostage, the remaining population saved their lives with a thousand and one difficulty, but their souls and memories could never be saved from the destruction of this incident. Those who listened to what the Witnesses told first could not believe their ears!
But when they entered Khojaly after the massacre, they soon realized that the eyewitnesses did not exaggerate. French journalist Jean-Yves Junet, who visited the massacre site in Khojaly, told what he said in the face of what he saw: 'I have heard many war stories. I have heard of the persecution of fascists, but I hope no one will witness such a savagery like in Khojaly. “Well, who gave the order for this massacre that took place on February 26, 1992;
He was none other than the dirty murderer named Robert Kocharyan, who holds the title of President of Armenia. Robert Koçaryan, one of the leaders of the Tashnaksutyun organization, who was promoted in proportion to the rate of his terrorist activities, became the Prime Minister of Armenia on March 20, 1996. When Levon Ter Petrosyan, who could not resist the reaction of extreme nationalists because he wanted peace in Karabakh, resigned from him on March 30, 1998, the notorious terrorist Robert Kocharyan, who was in charge of the "Khojaly Massacre", took his seat. Armenians raped Turkish pregnant women and killed their belly while pregnant, and raped and killed little Turkish girls.<<  end translation
:English. 69.12.204.103 (talk) 06:44, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Completely unreferenced inappropriate spam. 50.111.51.247 (talk) 16:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kur-Araxes Culture 

message: Carenitis, not *Carenitida: the latter is a barbarism by someone who didn't read Greek: Carenitida is the accusative case. . . . Bill 17:47, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Carenitida"

message: Scientifically, there has been no direct connexions established between the Indo-European speaking Armenians and the Caucasian speaking Urartans. I strongly discourage nationalistic statements in an encyclopaedia article.--Khodadad 00:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cite your sources. On what do you base your allegation? 
PS: What is the connection between Dravidian Elamites (hey if Urartians are Caucasian) and Indo-European Iranians? :)
--Eupator 00:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Much of Armenian language consists of Urartuan words. Many gods in Armenian pantheon (most notably Armenian Hayk=Urartuan Khald) come from Urartu. Every scholar agrees that Urartuans played a role in the ethnogenesis of Armenians (majority believes they mixed, minority believes Urartuans were Armenians). Plus there is a nice cafe in Glendale called Urartu, great sandwitches and drinks--my fave--the Urartuchini. So, there is a connection.--TigranTheGreat 08:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Armenian theory of Urartu is not accepted by most of objective scholars. Its popular between Armenian scholars that are mostly proffesionally not historicians but geologists etc. http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/hururt.pdf http://www.azargoshnasp.net/history/Hurrian/diaokonoff_hurro_armenian_borrowing.pdf in such dokuments serious scholars claim that Urartu language is not relative to Armenian... But it not means Armenian people have no relation to Urartu. Proto-Armenian(Mushkis) lived in Urartu and loaned many words. And when Hurrians migrated to somewhere north they became rulers of their new homelands. Liberatium (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urartu 

message: Ottoman, could you please copy here the relevant paragraphs from your sources that you used? I.e.:
^ The Armenian Genocide: History, Politics, Ethics By Richard G. Hovannisian p.129 
^ British Diplomacy and the Armenian Question: From the 1830s to 1914 By Arman J. Kirakossian page 58 
^ Der Minassian, Anahide, "Nationalisme et socialisme dans le Mouvement Revolutionnaire Armenien", in "LA QUESTION ARMENIENNE", Paris, 1983, pp. 73-111. 
Thanks.--TigranTheGreat 02:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the "History, Politics, Ethics" in the library, I will look for the full paragraph after Christmas. I have been using a program to track my notes and for the British Diplomacy and the Armenian Question: I have the paragraph and this is the exact copy of my note; "The national liberation movement of the balkan peoples and the immediate involvement of the European powers in the Eastern question had a powerull effect on hitherto suppressed natinal movement among the Armenians of the Ottoman Epire - on the development of a national liberaton idealogy and transformathion of their national identty. The armenian population increasingly realized that uts liberation rom the Ottoman Empire would serve to address their problems, and in 1876, the Armenian national addemby in Constantinople debated an appeal to Europen Powers and Russia with a request to implement reforms in Weastern armenia." Hope this will be helpful 4u 4now. You should have access to all these sources, which the presented statements are only introductory statements of the general concepts. You should have more (native) information on the "national movement" of Armenians of Armenia. They build the republic, and it did not happen by itself, right? Happy Christmas, if I will not have chance.--OttomanReference 05:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand, OR, but as an editor, it's your responsibility to demonstrate that your edits correspond to sources. We all provide quotes when asked. I will wait for those other quotes.--TigranTheGreat 01:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberation movement 

message: I hope my rearrangement of the article is okay. I thought that it would be better to divide the article in accordance to historic periods and divide those sections into subsections that concern certain dynasties and periods of occupation. Cheers. -- Davo88 05:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hi 

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message: Pretty much it's self explanatory, Mannaeans are Armenians, or are some people would like to put it the ancestors of Armenians.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.128.67 (talk) 05:14, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no mention of Mannaeans in Armenian History 

message: The article states that armenia became christianized in 301. Surprisingly, what article does not discuss is the emotional notion of such social/cultural evolution of armenia's citizens. Were armenians forced to convert to christianity or did they choose to? If they chose to become chrisitians; then this leaves a controversy, which is, that how is it possible to covert an entry civilization's belief system (which they held to be true for thousands of years) from one side to another in short while? If they were forced to convert to christianity, in that case, what were the political/economical elements which forced them to make such a choice? And what were the original motives?
Most importantly, there are several questions regarding this issue. 1) Armenians define their origins using a story that is related to bible and the ship of Noah (related to the legend of hike!!!).Now Armenia is an ancient civilization, that existed before Bible (which includes the story of Noah) was written and preached. Therefore, the notion or the idea of Hike, being the father of armenians is just a legend, because Hike is a character related to the story of Bible (as stated, a book much younger than the Armenian civilization). Therefore, the original history of armenian  shall discard the idea of HIke being an actual historical character and accept it as a myth and an untrue story. Thus, armenians must search for their original historical story of origin. 
2)Right, after the conversion of the Armenian empire into christianity, many churches were build. These churches could not have been built by the regular people, because at That point in history, There were no class system, but a aristocratic system, which divided the society into three categories: Clergy, Lord, peasnat. NOw, peasents could not have build these churches, because they did not have enough money. Lords might have built these churches, but originally lords only donated money to church and they (lords) were not involved in building any churches. Therefore, it is less likely that lords build these churches. Therefore, IT must have been the job of clergy (known as the church priests) to use the money donated by peasants and lords (Peasants and lordes thought that by donating money, they would be saved through church)to build churches. Therefore, clergy gathered alot of money, bought lands, and build churches. In fact clergy was a very rich state of hierarchy which had an enormous power over politics as well. Question: if this theory is right, can one conclude that armenian church is not a center of spiritual inspiration, but rather a political institution, which by using its wealth commercialized it self in order to get more wealth? Was it the aremnian church that manupulated the original history of armeina from what it was to what it is (legend of hike)? Is it or can it still be a trustworthy institution for the ARmenian civilization??
WHAT DO YOU THINK???????????? Scientific perspective (talk) 07:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  social evolution of the religious/belief system of armenian society.  

message: Instead of this:
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What do you think? This is according to the Armenian Historical Sources of the 5-15th Centuries  
nikos (talk)
:Looks good to me. Much improved. — ℜob C. alias ÀLAROB 21:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  My Proposal 

message: There seems to be a lack of information about the relation between Urartu and the Neo-Babylonian Empire. The origin of the Armenians is also lacking information concerning the part that several tribes took place in the modelling of the Armenian nation, namely the Hurrians, the Mannaeans, the Thracians and probably the Phrygians. The part of the history that is overlooked because of lack of redacted information, is in my opinion the period that took place from 200 BC until 800 AD, because of the influence of the Zoroastrian forces and the coming of Islam. --Vitilsky (talk) 17:24, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Armenia?

message: Someone familiar with the history of Armenia, please look at List of regions of old Armenia and give your opinions if that article has any value, and how accurate it is.  Dream Focus 16:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of regions of old Armenia is up for deletion 

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thread_title:  Alphabet 

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message: The articles about the history of Armenia need to be better structured. I noticed that there was an article about "Prehistoric Armenia" and "Medieval Armenia," but "Ancient Armenia" redirected to "Prehistoric Armenia," which made no sense.
What I also noticed is that there is much more information here than within each period's main article. I'm a big believer of breaking elements into smaller components to make sure we don't end up with one part that is too bloated (as this article surely is).
What I'm suggesting to do is to give this page a comprehensible, easy to read summary of each period, which anyone can understand, including someone who is not well versed in Armenian history, and have a link (as "Main article: ...") with the more detailed telling of the period's history there.
I'm willing to do the work, but considering it's a drastic change, it should be discussed first.
Kentronhayastan (talk) 10:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructuring the History of Armenia 

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message: I will be changing the dating system on this article away from the biased, Christian based AD/BC to the common era system.  This will bring the article into alignment with secular usage such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_India.  If you object, please state why you are ok with the biased system here. Eupnevma (talk) 19:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. I see no reason to change per MOS:VAR. Masterhatch (talk) 19:48, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change dating system to Common Era 

message: If someone could add the legend, it'd be easier to understand when you're not familiar with the geography. The colors are not enough context.
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thread_title:  Map of the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War (2020) lacks legend