Talk:Drug-related crime

message: I respectfully but strongly disagree with the assumption that drugs cause crime. Clearly, illegal (as well as dangers to the users. And all such drugs often appear at crime scenes. But there is little to suggest that the use of these drugs itself causes crime. Instead, it is the circumstances of sale and use, the prohibition, that causes crime.
Most “drug-related” crimes are in fact economic crimes, committed either by addicts supporting an unaffordable addiction or by drug dealers/cartels protecting market share without legal recourse, as was the case during the “Lawless Years” of alcohol prohibition.
The figures cited in this article bolster the position that desperate people resort to crime to pay for their addiction. It is not the drug or their behavior on the drug, but their inability to obtain it in an orderly, affordable manner that yields most of their criminality and danger to society.
Controlled, ongoing experiments in Switzerland with thousands of long-term heroin addicts demonstrated that even daily use of this powerful, addictive drug does not in and of itself lead to (and in fact, significantly decreased) violent and property crime. (see the Lancet, June, 2006). About a half dozen other European countries are now emulating this approach.
Thank you for your review, and I look forward to hearing from you.
Bill Fried Billfried (talk) 22:02, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  drug-related crime assumptions 

message: This article's use of US Bureau of Justice statistics as the major substance of the article reflects a certain bias in and of itself, and some of the wording I feel was much less than neutral.  I have edited some of the wording to reflect a more neutral POV, but have left in the statistics for the time being.  Let's try to make this article more clear.  The links of the drug trade and criminal gangs could be gone into, but that may be better placed in the "Illegal Drug Trade" article.  In any case, this article needs more careful attention and a rewrite.--adamatari (talk) 08:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a particularly neutral article 

message: Probably due to a mistake on my side an interesting picture (fuzzy cognitive map on fighting drug crime) had been removed in 2007. You can get the PNG from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:FCMdrug520.png (the license in the german Wikipedia is "cc-by" and the author has agreed to the usage of his picture in the wikipedia). In case you are interested to use the FCM in en,wikipedia, you can extracht a SVG version from http://www.hrir.eu/FCMdrug.pdf. In :de:Drogenkriminalit%C3%A4t#Komplexit.C3.A4t_der_Drogenbek.C3.A4mpfung you can see, how the FCM can be converted into a table. --DL5MDA (talk) 21:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FCM on fighting drug crime disappeared 

message: I think we should have something specific about this. There is clear evidence of correlation but proving causation is not trivial. http://www.drugabuse.gov/pdf/monographs/103.pdf is a very good resource. I will attempt to being something soon. --Chrisjwowen (talk) 12:11, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I think it's definitely a good idea to say something about the correlation and causation issue, the citations given in this section are not effective. I have read the NIDA report "Drugs and Violence: Causes, Correlates, and Consequences" that is linked to in one of the citations, and it does not appear to refute a causation between drugs and crime. For one thing, it's talking about violence in particular, and not property crime (which is shown to be 30%-75% drug-related in most countries). It shows there may be an interplay between broader social factors such as poverty and drugs and violence, but nowhere does it say there is NOT a causation between drugs and crime. Also, the link to the other citation supposedly saying there is no causation is merely a home page of a web site on which there is no indication of the citation. So, I propose we either re-write or remove this section until such time as proper citations can be found. --gilgongo (talk) 13:03, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correlation and causation 

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