Talk:Scotland in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms

message: I've edited this article to eliminate a number of errors, both of fact and interpretation.  These are as follows:
1.  The Scottish Civil War officially came to an end with the surrender of the King in 1646, not 1647.
2.  Charles never attempted to impose Episcopacy (it is terminologically incorrect to describe this as 'Anglicanism' in relation to Scotland) on 'Presbyterian' Scotland for the simple reason that the Church of Scotland already had an Episcopal structure.  Bishops were only outlawed, and Presbyterianism established, after the Glasgow General Assembly in November, 1638.  The National Covenant was specifically directed against innovations that had not been examined and tested by free parliaments and assemblies of the church.  Unfortunately, I've come across this annoying error in a number of Wikipedia pieces dealing with this whole period. 
3.  In reference to the Bishops' Wars 'impose his will' has been substituted for 're-conquer', for the obvious reason that the country had never been conquered in the first place.  Besides Charles' strategy during the First Bishops' War was essentially based on a massive bluff.
4. The Solemn League and Covenant was signed in 1643, but the Scottish army did not enter England until January, 1644.
5. 'The Scots promptly handed him over to the English Parliament in return for a large cash payment.'  Another major error! Charles was taken to the Scots' base at Newcastle, where he remained for the best part of a year.  During this time repeated attempts were made to persuade him to sign the Covenant, with no sucess.  Unable to take him north into a politically volatile Scotland, he was then handed over to the commissioners of Parliament in 1647.  The Scots then received part payment for the service of their army (the full sum was never paid.) 
6. Montrose left for Norway in 1646, not 1647.
7. Cromwell did not cross from Ireland to Scotland.  He returned to England in May 1650 to take full command of the New Model Army, before proceeding north.
8. Cromwell did not lay siege to Edinburgh.  Rather he and Leslie manoeuvred and counter-manoeuvred around the city.  Finally, his army weakened by sickness, he ordered a withdrawal to his base at Dunbar, not a retreat to England.
9.  The suggestion that Leslie was ordered into battle at Dunbar by the General Assembly is a myth.  He himself decided that the English had been sufficiently weakened to allow him to risk a full-scale engagement.  It was a serious miscalculation.  
10. It was General John Lambert who won the battle of Inverkeithing. Cromwell remained south of the Forth, ready to advance towards Stirling. The intention was to force Charles out of his defensive positions in central Scotland.  Charles was left with a stark choice: retreat north pursued by Cromwell, or risk an invasion of England.
11. The Glorious Revolution took place in 1688, not 1689.
Rcpaterson 01:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Civil War-Corrections and Amendments 

message: Is this page title appropriate?  I've never heard the Scottish struggle named as simply "the Scottish Civil War".  The contemporary struggle in England was obviously the "English Civil War," and the conflict as a whole seems now to be called the "War of the Three Kingdoms."  I believe the Irish conflict of the same time period is the "Irish Rebellion."  Seems to me that this should be at Scottish Civil War (1642-1646), or some such - google search on "Scottish Civil War" -wikipedia brings up a book about the Bruces and the Balliols in the 14th century.  The Conflict following the deposition of Mary Stuart was also a Scottish Civil War, I should think, and quite a notable one.  Is there any evidence that the primary referent for "Scottish Civil War" is this conflict, or is this merely a result of trying to parallel this struggle with the English one? john k 01:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None of the sources I have consulted use the title "Scottish Civil War", instead they simply treat the fighting in Scotland as an extension of the English civil war. This term appears to be a WP:Fringe theory. FOARP (talk) 13:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  page title? 

message: Is it possable to update the campaign box to include the Battle of Carbisdale (1650) and the Battle of Stirling (1648). Both are historically important.  After the battle of Stirling in 1648 the two opposing sides made peace bringing together the forces of Campbell the Marquess of Argyll and the Earl of Lanericks forces. Both sides were covenantors. The battle of Carbisdale in 1650 was even more important as it was the final defeat of James Graham, 1st Marquess of Montrose.
The campign box currently looks like this and I was hoping to add these two battles
mjgm84 12:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you follow this link  to the template you can then edit the template source to include those battles. Should be straight forward, but give me a shout if you need any help. Thanks/wangi 12:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Campaign Box

message: Is the title of this article not misleading? When this become the Scottish Civil War? The only book to have the title "Scottish Civil War" refers to the Wars of Scottish Independence . This seems like a wiki neologism ... anglicizing the terminology of Scottish history. There are loads of Scottish civil wars ... no reason for this one to get that title. The page should be moved to a established historical term. Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 01:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the Wars of Scottish Independence in the 14th century were against the English the only Civil War at that time was a brief conflict between Robert the Bruce and John Comyn, rival to the thrown.  As for Scotland in the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, in the 17th century it is actuall more often reffered to as the Scottish Civil War although it was part of the same war as the English Civil War. Which technically went on in Scotland until 1654. "Wars of the Three Kingdoms" could be incorrect because the Kingdom of Scotland, England and Ireland were all under the same Crown which is why the term "Civil War" is used. Psycotics1454 18:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, War of the Three Kingdoms does at least have modern usage behind it and is, compared to the other terms, less misleading. No name is going to be perfect. "Scottish Civil War" does not appear to be the common name for the fighting in Scotland during the English civil wars, which is treated as an extension of the civil wars into Scotland.FOARP (talk) 13:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we consider clarifying these wars' respective relationships to the English Civil War clearly in the introduction? CessnaMan1989 (talk) 17:50, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scottish Civil War? 

message: The Battle of Culloden pic is inappropriate here becase it is from a different war. The wars of the three kingdoms was in the mid 17th century. Culloden was 100 years later in the mid 18th century. Furthermore the Highland charge was not pioneerd in the 17th century, it had been long in use centuries before. 193.195.194.165 (talk) 12:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of Culloden pic

message: I just made a few improvements to the Battle of Kilsyth page, and was wondering if some people could make a push to improve the pages concerning the Scottish aspect of the war.  The Kilsyth page needs a decent photo, plus some more references, and a little more information on the commanders and order of battle.  I'm sure some of the other battle pages need similar work.  The pages on the units and commanders of the campaign could also do with some work.  So this is basically a request for people to do some work on this area - it badly needs updating to bring it up to the same standard as pages on the Civil War in England and Ireland.  Mathewannis (talk) 03:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle pages

message: "Covenanters defeat Royalists but are themselves defeated by an English Parliamentarian conquest of Scotland in 1650-51."
Shouldn't that read "...of Lowland Scotland in 1650-51." as the highlands were not conquered.86.171.240.101 (talk) 19:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change in Result box 

message: I am setting up a new Military history task force at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars of the Three Kingdoms and the Interregnum all welcome to join. -- PBS (talk) 10:19, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Wars of the Three Kingdoms and the Interregnum]] 

message: I just added a timeline. I freely confess that I am not a scholar of this time period or location. I was having trouble making sense of all the disparate articles, and thought others might have similar problems. I would be perfectly content for someone more knowledgeable to take over. – Smallus Editus (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline