Talk:Al Jazeera Arabic/Archive 1

message: Please don't rename this article.  -- Zoe
Moved from User talk:GrahamN:
Re Al Jazeera: As I understand it, you need to delete the page entry itself to allow it to be redirected to, not just delete its contents and leave it empty.  There are some special-case exceptions to these rules as well, if I recall correctly, but I can't remember what they are. -- The Anome 20:24 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
:Hello.  Thanks for responding.  The "move page" page says:
:Note that the page will not be moved if there is already a page at the new title, unless it is empty or a redirect and has no past edit history.
:Well, "Al Jazeera" was a redirect with no past history, and I couldn't re-name "Al-Jazeerah".  It is now blank, with a little history (the history of me making it blank), and I still can't re-name "Al-Jazeerah".
:I think I will give up and just move the content across.
:GrahamN 20:34 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Why are you moving the page?  Please leave it where it is.  This is the name the English-speaking world knows it by.  -- Zoe
:"Al-Jazeerah" is not the name the English-speaking world knows it by.  All the British media spell it "Al Jazeera", or sometimes (erroneously) "Al-Jazeera".  The reason is that Al Jazeera themselves spell the name of their organisation that way.  If you don't believe me, take a look at their web site.  It is no less absurd to spell Al Jazeera "Al-Jazeerah" as it would be to spell The Times "The-Timez".  "Al Jazeera" is the correct spelling.  Any other spelling is simply wrong.  GrahamN 00:05 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)
::Personally, I think "Al Jazeera" is fine, but their official wesbite does NOT spell it "Al Jazeera", with very few exceptions they spell it "Aljazeera".--Brian Z 23:32, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Al Jazeera, meaning "The Island" or "The (Arabian) Peninsula"... 
Is that right? I thought Al Jazeera was named in reference to Qatar, which is a Peninsula. - Efghij 04:42 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:That's a good question.  What I know is that the word "Al Jazeera" means "the island" in Arabic.  Strictly speaking, it is never means "the peninsula", except in one case: when referring to the Arabian Peninsula.  This is because the phrase "Al Jazeera", in this context, is the contraction of the phrase "Al Jazeera Al Arabia", which is furthermore the contraction of the phrase "Shibh Al Jazeera Al Arabia", which means "the Arabian Peninsula", thus if the phrase "Al Jazeera" is to refer to a peninsula, in the Arab mind, that peninsula would be the "Arabian Peninsula"  Asser hassanain 07:41 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:: Actually Jazeerah can mean peninsula in other contexts than the Arabian Peninsula; rather more odd, why does the entry now say "Qatari"? Qatar is a peninsula, yes, but I don't believe anyone has taken that reference before. I am editing it out as incorrect. (Collounsbury 12:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning 

message: These cartoons seem to at least borderline support for al Qaeda. Crusadeonilliteracy 02:21, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you watch the previous ones? They're like NAZI propaganda Crusadeonilliteracy 07:09, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  al Qaeda 

message: I don't know where the link should be added, but since the Control Room documentary is mentioned, the official site is:
 http://www.controlroommovie.com
Another documentary is:
 http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/aljazeera/index.html
:I think the Control Room site is too tangential to this article to be included here.  I'm adding it to the separate article on Control Room, which is currently just a stub. JamesMLane 23:44, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentaries 

message: The category Propaganda defines it as follows:
: "Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation, aimed at serving an agenda. Even if the message conveys true information, it may be partisan and fail to paint a complete picture. The primary use of the term is in political contexts and generally refers to efforts sponsored by governments. The intent of the category is for government sponsored and items easily classified as propaganda."
Even a cursory examination of Qatar's governmental policies should make it obvious that Al Jazeera is no more promoting a Qatari agenda than the BBC is promoting Tony Blair's agenda; and, unlike the BBC, Al Jazeera is to a large extent funded by advertising and film revenue, and is moving towards complete financial independence.  There is absolutely no justification for adding this (highly inflammatory) category; I'm surprised it would even come up. - Mustafaa 10:17, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can read french have a look at this informative article about Al Jazira : http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3230,36-385330,0.html (the article is in free access for one week) Khalid hassani it shows that Al Jazira is far from profitable and is still alive thanks to it's founder generosity how injects nearle 40 Millions $ a year.
Well put -- the comparison with BBC in particular since one of the main guys at al-J is formerly from BBC.  When interviewed (I think by Tom Friedman but I don't have the article) he pointed out that he had more freedom as a journalist at al-J than he had at BBC!  The network may be relentlessly subjective and sensational, like most Western networks, but it is certainly not doing the bidding of any government.  Of course, while it is critical of many Arab leaders, it doesn't go out of its way to upset the Qatari government in any way, but that is mere survival practice, like NBC not criticizing GE too heavily, and hardly qualifies as "propaganda." --csloat 01:54, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Propaganda" 

message: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040807_595.html is broken.  I tried searching on ABCs website for the story but couldn't find it.  Is there another source? Wuzzeb 22:58, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: It appears that a user has gone on his own little holy war changing all references in wikipedia to "resistance" to "insurgency" when talking about Iraq.  I'd like to know the rationale for this.  It is my perception that these words refer to two different things -- the resistance refers to organized groups of Iraqis resisting the U.S. occupation of Iraq whereas the "insurgency" seems to me a more general term that would include foreign fighters and others who aren't part of organized resistance groups.  More importantly, there seems to be an implicit value judgement being enforced through the use of "insurgency" over "resistance" in every sentence on the wikipedia.  I'd like to start changing some of these references back (particularly the first one in this piece) but I want to see what other people think first?
--csloat 21:17, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: has this issue been solved now? As Wikipedia is neutral, it must avoid to put politically coloured labels on things, different from the press which is not generally neutral. Harald88 12:00, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resistance v. Insurgency 

message: I think whoever wrote the entry on Al Jazeera has been withholding information. Why did you not include information about how they warp american broadcasts or how their station has been partly funded by Osama and Co for years? If you want to truly be unbiased and informative you need to include shady dealings like this in your article as well.
:Wikipedia is collaborative; if you have evidence that OBL funded al-Jazeera (yeah right), or any other relevant information you think should be here, edit the entry yourself and include the evidence; it's a better solution than whining about it.  If the evidence really is there, the chances are your edits will stay.--csloat 06:54, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Things about the Wikipedia Entry 

message: The article used to say that the US had been informed "just prior" to it's bombing the office.  That implies (to me at least) a few seconds or minutes prior to the bombing.  I have never seen anything to indicate that the notification was that short, if it was that would no doubt have made it into the news releases covering the item.  Web searches and the documentary control room seem to indicate that the US had ample (days or weeks) notification. Flying fish 03:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time of notification of office location 

message: This article is labeled "This article documents a current event."
However, a news station isn't a current event, and indeed for example the BBC article doesn't have such a banner. Thus it must be removed, but I like to know, who put it there? Harald88 12:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added here: 21:42, 23 November 2005 132.205.45.110.  I was going to make the same remark, so I will remove it. --Stevage 16:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  erroneous label? 

message: The description in wikipedia doesn't seem to match up with the Al Jazeera website  at all?--210.246.2.238 08:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  on-line section 

message: "Al Jazeera ... now rivals the BBC in worldwide audiences with an estimated 50 million viewers."
(1) Can anybody give a cite for this, please?
(2) Can anybody give a date for this, please?
Thanks -- Feb 14, 2006
: There is a blog, http://abuaardvark.typepad.com/abuaardvark/ written by a US university professor which covers Arab media issues. I vaguely recall recent informed and cited discussions re readership numbers there. (Collounsbury 00:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of viewers 

message: I have edited the off-subject addition by Arre Western Sahara protests in late 2005. Having (i) been there, and (ii) followed original reporting, I can attest the addition is highly POV and tenditious. It is also largely irrelevant to al-Jazeera. (Collounsbury 06:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that al-Jazeera has had at least two correspondents repeatedly harrassed by Moroccan reporters and banned from reporting. How is that irrelevant to a section on government intervention against al-Jazeera? About your edit, i changed some stuff (the protests broke out in May 2005, which is not "late 2005"), and although I didn't revert, I generally can't see what the problem was with the rest. For example, of course the protests were carried out by independence-minded protestors -- those Sahrawis that oppose independence would not participate in demonstrations for independence, would they? I don't particularly mind what you did to the paragraph, but calling the previous version "highly POV" is just insulting. Arre 19:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morocco POV Materials 

message: ..and Washington D.C., when the station launches in May 2006..
Has it?  161.133.11.225 18:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Washington D.C.station launches in May 2006 

message: Why is the current frontpage article of al jazeera, shown here [] not worthy of a mention under controversies from the US viewpoint? Pkmilitia 03:04, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because aljazeera.com is not Al Jazeera. The two have nothing to do with each other. Aljazeera.com/Aljazeera Publishing are totally unrelated to Al Jazeera/Al Jazeera English. Aljazeera.com is an English-language website funded by Saudi Arabia. Al Jazeera is a TV network funded by Qatar. Al Jazeera also have an English-language website, but this is http://aljazeera.net/english, not .com. I personally have a very low opinion of Aljazeera.com, and I believe that at least part of their activities consist of sailing on the coattails of Al Jazeera's fame and using a platfrom obtained through what I consider cybersquatting for soapboxing. You may consider adding a reference regarding http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=12886 to the Aljazeera.com article if you feel that it is appropriate.  I however am not sure Aljazeera.com/Aljazeera Publishing pass objective notability tests beyond the fact that some people (such as apparently yourself) mistake them for Al Jazeera. Please read the history of the Aljazeera.com article and Talk:Aljazeera.com for more details. Thank you for your work as a Wikipedia editor. 86.56.48.12 01:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frontpage article of Aljazeera