Talk:Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq

message: Zia must've been quite a senior general or commanding officer during the Bangladesh Liberation War of 1971 with India. But there is astonishingly no mention of his role or participation or accomplishments during that war (unarguably the greatest turning point in South Asia's history since the partition in 1947). Not even a single sentence is mentioned, though some tidbits about him being a tank commander during the 1965 war are present. Somebody with knowledge should probably expand this article. 220.225.2.107 (talk) 02:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military career during 1971 war 

message: Layout is now a mess. text at end needs to be cleaned up and moved up.
:It isn't just layout.  The grammar and sentence structure is a mess, and the language often obscure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 09:03, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Layout mess 

message: There is probably some amount of neutrally-describable facts in the the following section of the article which I have excised. Nevertheless, it is such blatant editorializing that I felt obliged to remove it. Phrases like "it is an interesting fact" are major red flags that what follows is not fact at all, but merely opinion. Note that I knew nothing about the topic at hand before stumbling upon this article, but I knew at a glance that this content violated the NPOV policy. If you want to put it back, it will need to be phrased in a more neutral fashion. That is, it would have to written such that Zia ul Haq himself would have to agree that it neutrally described him.
:It is an interesting fact of the history of Pakistan that all army dictators have promised to clean up the "corruption" in civilian politics and have in fact promoted corruption, horse-trading, turn-coatism and even blatantly bribed time serving politicians to gain a semblance of popular support.
:Zia did the same. Before the execution of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Pakistan boasted a quasi civil government under the heel of the Martial Law, with ministers drawn from the Jama'at Islami, the Pakistan Democratic Party, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Pakistan, various miniscule factions of the Muslim League -- all parties which repeatedly failed to garner any appreciable popular vote at the polls.
:Another interesting feature of Zia ul Haq's rule was a brutalizing of Pakistan's society through what his government called "Islamization." In the name of Islam, legislation was enacted, which according to many scholars of Islamic jurisprudence, had nothing to do with Islam and its injunctions. Such legislation militated against the minorities, women, and the under-privileged strata of society. 
:In Pakistan, Zia's eleven years of rule are most often remembered for the public whipping of political dissidents, absolute censorship of the press, the country's acting as a conduit for money and material and training ground for the so-called Afghan Jihad, the proliferation of hard drugs and arms, and a hitherto unknown and especially vicious variety of sectarian and ethnic violence.
Nohat 07:11, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed POV stuff 

message: What is not commonly known, although fully documented in the Pakistan and international press of the day,
is that the votes cast in the referendum through which Zia secured his Presidency were a mere two per cent of
the total registered vote at that time.
Another very important, and equally fully documented fact is that in Bhutto's trial on the charge of allegedly
conspiring to murder a political opponent, which alleged conspiracy resulted in the death of the opponent's
father, due process of law was totally bypassed.
Zia's Islamization too, was widely seen as a ploy to prolong his dictatorship, and many of the edicts and
amendments to the constitution of the country had literally nothing to do with Islamic Jurisprudence or Sharia.
The most lasting effect of eleven years of Zia's militray rule in Pakistan have been a vast increase in hard
drugs consumption, traffic and export, gun-running, and deep schisms in the body-politic of the country.
Exacerbating sectarian, ethnic and linguistic differences was a stock tactic for keeping the people at bay
during Zia's rule.
Again, some of this could probably be merged into the article in a NPoV way, but an anonymous user stuck it at the end of the article. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:49, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC
=== Condolences and Tributes by world leaders ===
I am not sure if the condolences bit is relevant to an encyclpedia article. Condolences and tributes are sent by world leaders(on anothers death) as a matter of protocol. Furthermore, they are more reflective of the respective country's foreign policy designs rather than that leaders personal views regarding General Zia. Any Comments?
Sandbreak 18:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the book 'Gorbachev - Heretic in the Kremlin' by Dusko Doder and Louise Branson the death of Zia-ul-Haq is described as assassination. 2001:8003:AC60:1400:6554:7954:2EAD:97ED (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed more PoV stuff 

message: I am not sure if the condolences bit is relevant to an encyclpedia article. Condolences and tributes are sent by world leaders(on anothers death) as a matter of protocol. Furthermore, they are more reflective of the respective country's foreign policy designs rather than that leaders personal views regarding General Zia. Any Comments?
Sandbreak 18:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the book 'Gorbachev - Heretic in the Kremlin' by Dusko Doder and Louise Branson the death of Zia-ul-Haq is described as assassination. 2001:8003:AC60:1400:6554:7954:2EAD:97ED (talk) 03:53, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Condolences and Tributes by world leaders 

message: Early in the article it mentions that Bhutto chose Zia as the Army chief of Pakistan ahead of several more senior generals, because of "their common Arain ancestry". However, if you read Bhutto's biography, it states that the Bhuttos were of Rajput origin and not only that, they were Shia Muslims as opposed to Zia being Sunni Muslim. Is this a mistake??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.39.138 (talk) 19:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bhutto & Zia Both of Arain racial origins?? 

message: After dismissing the elected civilian government of Bhutto, Zia avoided all the political avenues that could lead to democracy or civilian supremacy. He never held free and fare elections. With whatever worth of civilian prime minister, Mr Junejo, he dismissed him abruptly too in a very short course. He crushed the populist Movement for the Restoration of Democracy using the bullett and Army. MRD was born as a hatred to Zia and his undemocratic dictatorial policies in 1983 which gained popularity in the smaller poverty stricken deprived provinces of Pakistan. It is said that 45000 troops were deployed in Sindh alone to crush the movement. Mrs Gandhi, Indian PM raised concerns over this brutality and violation of human rights at the hands of Pakistan's military dictatorship (Dawn 14th August 1983). Thousands of civilians were brutally killed. That potentiated the feeling of deprivation in smaller provinces as it was seen as a further avenge on Sindhi population from where Shaheed Bhutto came. That high handed harsh approach is well on the record. This movement threatened the process of expanding state power in the name of Islamisation at a time when tensions were high with Afghanistan's proxy war that Zia had plunged into as well with the other front along side India.
Now this is a well recorded and documented piece of history that can not be denied under any ciscumstances. I would call it one of the major movements during the rule of the general. Hence it should not be deleted as it would imply partiality of the article.
:Please! provide the source for whatever you are writing. --SMS  Talk 14:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movement for Restoration of Democracy (MRD) 

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message: please complete full name zia ul haq Shaheed мαℓιк ℓιαqυαт™ (talk) 12:16, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Shaheed 

message: Problems with article. 
When was Zia appointed Chief Martial Law Administrator? The section on Reign as Chief Martial Law Administrator doesn't say.
When was the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Trial? The section says when Bhutto was hanged but not when the trial was.
If Zia took the office of President of Pakistan on 16 September 1978, why is the sentence "On 4 April 1979, the former elected Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was hanged, " in the Reign as Chief Martial Law Administrator section? By 4 April 1979 Zia was president, not Chief Martial Law Administrator. --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:24, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added info to try to fix the problems  --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  questions about the article 

message: Have deleted a prominent quote in the article 
<BR>If we are not "Muslims", then what are we? Second-rate Indians?<BR>
According to the source (p.136), Zia did NOT say this. It is from the New York Times, quoting an unnamed "liberal" "Pakistani official" who supports Islamisation. --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: The previous picture was incredibly blurry whilst the current one doesn't even show his face. Would it not be better to have it replaced by any of the following? Especially the first one since it's literally his official portrait 
https://imgur.com/a/Geukxga
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thread_title:  General Zia's Picture 

message: No mention at all of zia’s torture of politicians and citizens. 2600:1012:B014:FB52:F992:DB65:3A88:4241 (talk) 15:26, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No mention of zia’s torture of politicians and citizens 

message: Prior to Zia's rule, Pakistanis lived a relatively prosperous life. Crime was low and the economy stable and growing. Wikipedia itself says: 
'During the 1960s, Pakistan was seen as a model of economic development around the world, and there was much praise for its rapid progress.'
This changed during Zia's rule, largely owing to Zia's policies. I added the following and I ask other editors to look into these important aspects of Zia's rule and add sources.:
 Ruling Policy
 
As a ruler, General Zia failed. In his tenure, the country fell into chaos and lawlessness. Police started taking bribes and siding with criminals. Criminals frequently entered houses and murdered and looted whole families.  Groups such as MQM - notorious for throwing the whole province of Karachi into unrest and murders, Kulhara Group (Axe Group), Hatora Group (Hammar Group) sprang up through out the country, plundering and murdering the nation.
 
The General population of Pakistan lived a miserable and fearfilled life from Zia's time, which continues to this day.
Economic Policy:
As part of Zia's economic policy, heads of many organizations, banks, and industries were changed. Ahmadis were made heads at major factories, banks and every organization. In the army, training programs teaching and conversion to Ahmadiyya were introduced. Promotion in armed forces was given on the basis of conversion to Ahmadiyya and marrying with Ahmadiyya woman. Privileges were given to those armed forces personnel who converted to Ahmadiyya, including senior positions and shares in factories and industries and land properties. While those who didnt converted remained at low positions or were retired. The armed forces enjoyed economic privileges including highly subsidized goods and a lifestyle on par with the upper class, while the ordinary public suffered high costs, unemployment and low salaries, electricity outages, and lack of safety and sanitation.  Areas where homes of armed forces and retired armed forces received special care including sanitation and improved infrastructure, such as the Defence Authority areas in Karachi and the "F" areas in Islamabad while the rest of the country suffered lawlessness and lack of sanitation and hygiene. A19ldr (talk) 16:52, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
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