Talk:Tiraspol Times

message: I didn't see any ad in Tiraspol Times in 3 months I've checked their website. Considering that Tiraspol Times editor was editing also Wikipedia as User:MarkStreet and User:Mark us street, and also as sockpuppets User:Henco, User:Esgert and User:Truli (sockpuppets now blocked) and Wikipedia is an important thing for TT editor, probabily he will see the criticism regarding the fact that they don't have ads and is unknown from where they took their money and they will publish some ads in future, just to conter this criticism.--MariusM 18:05, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are so wrong. Again. There are many ads in the magazines (which are publicly available and which they also send abroad if you subscribe) as well as online. Online, they are fewer. But they are there nevertheless. I visit the site http://www.tiraspoltimes.com several times per week to read the news. For at least the past 3 months (maybe more) they have had an ad for Spectrum Travel Company. It is almost on every page. It has the picture of a girl with face paint, and is an animated rectangular ad. It sits in the lower right corner of the page. One of the pages has a huge SPECTRUM logo. They also have other ads, but this one is the most visible. It is also the one that I remember the best, due to the girl with the face paint. - Mauco 00:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I followed the link several times during last 3 months and didn't see any ad. Not even today.--MariusM 02:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then I guess that you are not doing your research well enough. I didn't see any ads on the frontpage either, but there are plenty of ads on a number of subpages. Some pages even have more than one ad per page. And here I found a picture of some ads from their weekly news magazines. - Mauco 02:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...which I just clicked on, and it becomes larger. - Mauco 02:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I saw. If you click on the girl with printed face you arrived on visitpmr.com website. An other website with propaganda for Transnistria, as you know. All those sites are promoting each other.--MariusM 03:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, yeah. So before, you claimed that there were no ads. Now, when you "discover" that there has been ads for the last 3 months or more, you disqualify by saying that they point to propaganda sites. CORRECTION: Visitpmr.com is a travel website. It deals with tourism information. It is developed jointly with the Spectrum Travel Company, which is a private travel agency based in Tiraspol. See http://visitpmr.com/about.html for source. The ad carries the logo and the name of the Spectrum Travel Company. I fail to see what the problem is. - Mauco 03:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Read: "The site is jointly developed by the PMR government and Spectrum Travel Company of Tiraspol, PMR". PMR government hired this company to make a site for promoting tourism.--MariusM 03:22, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is your interpretation. Do you have a source for this? I read that sentence differently. Anyway, I fail to see what the problem is. We are discussing whether or not there are ads in Tiraspol Times, and we have determined that yes, indeed, there are ads. An argument as to who developed a third party site can in no way have anything to do with any edits to this particular article. - Mauco 03:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, visitpmr.com often shows links to tiraspoltimes.com. You advertise me, I advertise you.--MariusM 03:34, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not really. I noticed that they have a box at the end of some of the pages where they show news headlines. Right now, it includes links to tiraspoltimes.com, transdniestria.com and regnum.ru so I guess it is just a matter of which site carries the news at any given day. If you have any sources to document that this is not so, then please show them. Otherwise, your claim of reciprocity is just that: An unsubstantiated claim. Well, again, I fail to see what the problem is. There are ads in Tiraspol Times. Both online and in print. This has been proven and documented beyond any reasonable doubt. - Mauco 03:42, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: This seems to be true, but to include it in the article as you did () is original research (from WP:OR: "Synthesis of published material serving to advance a position [...] acceptable only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the topic of the article." Where's the reliable outside source that has spoken about visitpmr ads as a source of clandestine state funding, and about that being relevant to judging TT's reliability? -- If none such is forthcoming, I'll delete that passage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Economist seems a reliable source for me. Fact that visitpmr.com is a propaganda site for PMR regime was mentioned in an article from 2006 in The Economist - we already quote this article at refferences link with no subscription necesary. As an aditional info, the journalist from "The Economist" contacted William Mauco during his investigation (and was mislead by him - see comments on the article). I'm not saying that ads from visitpmr are "clandestine state funding". Probabily this is legal based on PMR laws. Just showing the fact - Tiraspol Times receive money from PMR government, without making judgements if this is legal or not.--MariusM 12:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please re-read the exact passage from WP:OR I quoted above, and then explain to us here how it does not apply to the passage you put into the article. In particular, I'd like your thoughts on this definition of "original research": "It introduces an analysis or synthesis of established facts, ideas, opinions, or arguments in a way that builds a particular case favored by the editor, without attributing that analysis or synthesis to a reputable source" Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going ahead and removing that passage now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads 

message: Okay, I know this article has been an object of a tug-of-war for a long time, so anything I write here is probably going to be stirring up a hornets nest. But anyway, currently the article is well on the pro-Transnistrian whitewashing side. Some things that ought to be fixed:
*It's status as a paper newspaper is unsourced. All the information about its paper edition comes from its own website. For all I can see, nobody in any independent reliable source has ever done so much as confirmed that the newspaper exists, let alone established notability.
*The only thing that has borderline notability established is the website, through that one critical review on "Radio Free Europe" (), which is currently not even being cited properly. Remember that "notability" normally translates to "multiple independent non-trivial sources" - this is only one. And its elements that are critical about the website's agenda aren't even summarised currently. 
::Update: I now see there was also the "Economist" article, whose link was also removed. So we do have notability for the website, but that's still about it. Both these links badly need to be restored, they are basically the only things that justify the existence of this article.
*All information about its background, funding, mode of operation etc. that is sourced to its own website ought to be marked as such (like: "according to its own website...") Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:52, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alleluia, welcome, welcome Fut.Perf. - now you are talking. Finlay you beginning to see the reality. The truth will set as free! EvilAlex 21:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ahem. if you mean to say that with my help "The Truth" will now set you free to edit-war every Transnistria article into a state of Heaven, you are mistaken. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've reverted back to Future Perfect's version. Basically I agree with your points. Alaexis 07:34, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV and sourcing

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AChanging_username&diff=92790566&oldid=92769124 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.197.156.99 (talk) 08:46, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Des Grant

message: 193.120.95.11 we know that this is IP of so-called MarkStreet
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.120.95.11 and
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AChanging_username&diff=92790566&oldid=92769124)
This IP is from Dublin, Ireland (see here
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=193.120.95.11). 
From spanish wikipedia I found IP's contribution:
http://es.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discusi%C3%B3n:Euskadi_Ta_Askatasuna&diff=prev&oldid=5729077 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.197.156.99 (talk) 08:47, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Editor Des Grant

message: Huh? Does this article have anything to do with User:Buffadren??? --PaxEquilibrium 00:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Buffadren is a proved sockpuppet of User:Mark us street who is a known sockpuppeteer and also the self declared editor of Tiraspol Times. I guess Mark didn't want to be known anymore as being the editor of Tiraspol Times, this is why he created sockpuppet Buffadren, as well as many other sockpuppets.--MariusM 05:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buffadren 

message: The so call journalist “Jason Cooper” gave you a very good propaganda answer. He is real or not. I really don’t care, but to be honest I have my doubts. Like Leif Pettersen just said I google many “journalists” from that paper and just found other articles form the TT. So let be serious how many journalist with an english name that writhe so well get in Transnistria with out having any back ground before? Anyway just have a look at what he is saying in is response to see that the facts that he is giving us are not right. I will give you only one example. He says “They (Transnistria) did not benefit from outside aid or foreign advice during the 1990s, and today they are still limited in terms of the help that they receive.” It’s well know that Transnistria is help by Russia with gas and money. If you want more informations go and have a look at the OSCE website and the ICG which are serious website. One small question for our journalist “Jason Coopr” where does is paper get the money to run such a nice website and paper? He will tell us from publicity and private business very good. The majority of the business man are politicians and the biggest private business it’s Sherif that belong to the soon of Smirnov the head of State of Transnistria. So to compare the credibility of the New York Time with the credibility of is news paper it’s a very good rhetorical move but when you start looking more in the facts you really ask you how is behind this paper? --91.142.5.46 17:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jason Cooper from Tiraspol Times