Talk:FIFA 100/Archive 1

message: Wow look how many languages this list in in already. Amazing! Mintguy (T) 00:31, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations

message: Errr .. how many indentation colons are we up to? I'll just start again at the left-hand margin. I always dislike the Somethingorother (qualifier) style of indentaton, and try to avoid it wherever possible, so it's nice to see the Pele's list of ... suggestion. That would do nicely. For thse unfamiliar with Gary Ablett (the Oz rules footballer), perhaps mentioning his nickname will provide a hint until such time as a contributor more interested in football (any code) than me gets around to writing the entry. He was universally known simply as "God". 
Off the field, alas, he has more in common with ... er ... the other bloke. The one with the horns. Ablett was going to be inducted into the short official list of all-time-greats a few years ago (shortly after he retired) but got himself embroiled in a scandal and a subsequent coronial inquest into the death of a girl and the list comittee started to wonder what sort of example this was setting for young people and got cold feet. Tannin 22:14, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Indentation

message: :The talk supposedly about the deletion of the 125 footballers page on VfD turned into a discussion more relevant to this page. I am listing the content from VfD here, as it may be useful. Please feel free to transfer any segments to Wikipedia:Possible copyright infringements if needs be. The discussion on deleting the 125 page has restarted on VfD (phew! hope that's all clear and ok!)
I think the List of 125 Greatest Living Footballers should be deleted. The List of 100 Greatest Living Footballers is the list. JB82 16:59, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
*Delete Merge with List of footballers (soccer) or broaden the scope. Anthony DiPierro 17:10, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Confused talk on VfD

message: * List of 100 Greatest Living Footballers from  -- Davodd 23:25, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)
**This list was published in many newspapers a couple of days a go. Are lists copyrightable? Mintguy (T) 23:54, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what the difference was either, or why it was supposed to avoid the copyright problem. I've deleted the page and restored only the commentary text. I made every effort to identify and credit the people who had actually authored the text in my edit summary. If anyone was overlooked, I apologize and I'm willing to see if there's a way to rectify it. --Michael Snow 05:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text from Copyvio issue 

message: I renamed this article FIFA 100 to remove POV title and to adopt what most other language WP sites are calling it. Davodd 02:10, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
:The proposal emerging from the talk above was that Pelé's List of 100 Greatest Living Footballers would be an good title. Which is better? The short one or the long one?! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:04, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well as it happens I'm now of the opinion that "FIFA 100" is probably best, as it is actually 125 players. 100 referring to the 100th anniversary. Mintguy (T) 11:13, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renamed "FIFA 100" 

message: Just thought I should mention that the criticism seems to be warranted, in case anyone wondered about removing it on the basis of being unsupported. It's a tad surprising to see so few Spaniards, or even Englishmen, or the somewhat small percentage of defensive players, or no mention of Sandor Puskas, ... at the same time there does seem to be a noticable percentage of recent, popular players. --Shallot 18:10, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The criticism 

message: Why is Turkey listed under Asia? I was under the impression it was part of Europe, certainly considering it was in the playoffs against Latvia for the European Championship... calexico 22:39, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is Turkey listed under Asia?

message: How could Gunnar Nordahl or Gunnar Gren be chosen for a list of living players when they both died in the 1990s? --Ben davison 20:20, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They weren't.  I've removed them.  This page is a candidate for Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages as people add and remove the most/least favorite players, themselves, etc. Joestynes 07:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sweden

message: Is Clarence Seedorf really one of the 125 greatest football players?,He can't take a penalty if the goal was empty and penalty mark was 1 mm away of it
*According to FIFA, he is one of the 125 greatest players ever. Which kinda surprises me, because if Seedorf is on the list, where are Grzegorz Lato, Toni Schumacher and Lev Yashin? Aecis 08:24, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is Ryan Giggs!--HamedogTalk|@ 06:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is "The 125 Greatest Living Footballers". CanbekEsen 11:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarence Seedorf

message: This List is a Shame .. I respected Pele as the greatest of all Times but now I see, he's an Idiot - So many Legendary Magicians on the Pitch are Missing - and so many Average Players are on this List. As Pele's Voice in the World of Football weights a lot - This List is nothing more than a Provocation. Mr. Pele, next Time you do something like this - switch on your Brain first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.17.113.228 (talk • contribs) 
There's also a certain Sir Tom Finney missing from the list, and he's very much alive. The list, as a judge of players is worthless.
:Well, It is said, and I also believe it, that the list was made by the FIFA trying to have a wide range of players from all the continents so nobody would feel relegated, and pele just put his signature below. Another example of Pele's applepolishing to FIFA... Mariano(t/c) 10:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List

message: Even if there was a copyright issue (which seems questionable - we include tons of similar lists, like the Modern Library List of Best 20th-Century Nonfiction.  These kinds of lists are widely reprinted in mainstream media, suggesting that they are written with the intention to be widely distributed - it is not as though FIFA gets money from its exclusive right to sell the contents of the list), Mintguy notes above that he got permission from FIFA to include the list under fair use.  Michael Snow also appears to have deleted the original article without discussion, and without posting any kind of notice here. john k 20:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that was constructive. john k 20:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was the list removed? 

message: There is a flagrant contradiction in the statement about criticism. So, after all, is the criticism saying that there are too many Asian and African players (where, 'for example', there are only 7 of them), or too few? The list seems to be concentrated on European and South American players as the criticism suggests it should have been!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.172.17.55 (talk) 22:28, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about this a while ago, but didn't get round to rewriting it. The first few sentences don't get to the point very well - just look how far in FIFA 100 is into the prose. I think a criticism section is worthwhile. Also, the points on criticism could all do with better referencing. Go for it, be bold! Regards, Mk3severo 16:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There, better? Anton1234 18:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think so. I've found most of the references, just working out how best to write them out (I'm not used to quoting opinion). Do you think the list could be better presented? Mk3severo 18:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've tried to denote the 50 players active at the time of the unveiling of the list - but I can only work out 49 of them. If anyone can find the missing one, and also double check the DoBs, I'd greatly appreciate it! Mk3severo 19:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Player	Pos.	DoB
Cafu  	RB  	1970-06-07
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{| border="0" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" width="100%"	              	    	
	Player        	Pos.	DoB
	Diego Maradona	FW  	1960-10-30
	Cafu          	RB  	1970-06-07
Mk3severo 20:50, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to denote the 50 players active at the time of the unveiling of the list - but I can only work out 49 of them. If anyone can find the missing one, and also double check the DoBs, I'd greatly appreciate it! Mk3severo 19:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{fb|BRA}}

message: I included asterisks by players active when the FIFA 100 was announced. I deemed this noteworthy information as Pelé was asked to compile a list of 50 active and 50 retired players, and he returned a list of 50 active and 75 former players. Italics denote the players that are still active. I could only work out 49 of the 50 active players - if anyone who can work out which one I missed it would be great. However, please do not remove asterisks without further discussion. Regards, Mk3severo 21:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: should there be a star next to mia hamm? and the 50th player is desailly. edited Numberwang 18:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Active players 

message: I removed the notable omissions section because without citation, it is POV. There may be notable omissions, but without citing who said what, then your list of notable omissions is as good as mine, which is headed by :Justin Hoyte. I left the thing about Gerson ripping a list up because I have read that (I thought we had that one cited a while ago but I was evidently wrong), but it still needs citation. SeveroTC 19:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of notable omissions, I only counted 123 in the list! Ruud van Nistelrooy (Netherlands) is definitely missing. Koeman has been put in his place by an overly zealous fan, I suppose. Hernan Crespo (Argentina) is also missing. The Eristic (talk) 08:15, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Lev Yashin died in 1990 and the list came out in 2004.  The list was for living footballers only, hence the omission.  Cocytus [»talk«] 19:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable omissions 

message: ::Bulgaria and Brazil are messed up a little. Bulgaria's flag is before the Brazil players instead of after them. I would fix it but I am horrified that I would mess up the entire list. Mandarim 04:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done That's vandalism for you. Reverted to an earlier edition. SeveroTC 08:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Messed up

message: I'm not sure why this list is so prominent on the player pages of those who were named in the list.  Every time I go to a player page of someone who is on this list, it's right at the very top, but the way I remember it, this was largely a non-event when announced and not many people took it that seriously.  Why is it so prominent?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shearer9 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of this List 

message: Why isn't Sun Wen there when Hidetoshi Nakata is there?- 219.78.58.133 (talk) 10:31, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Nakata was selected but Sun wasn't. Mosmof (talk) 14:24, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

text: She is, but the list also contains female players, see Mia Hamm and Michelle Akers, so Sun Wen could have been theoretically also selected. However, she wasnt't. Gruen (talk) 14:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: What do others think, should the players who have died since then marked separately. At least Puskas, Sivori and Best have passed away since the list was done.BleuDXXXIV (talk) 08:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deceased players 

message: Why the hell is Gazza not on the list, living genius of football  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.56.36 (talk) 20:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gazza 

message: Ruud van Nitelrooy is retired in May 2012, his name should not be in Italics any more, which suggests he is still playing.
Ashishbirajdar (talk) 19:01, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: . Fat&Happy (talk) 19:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 3 August 2012 

message: Argentina football player Hernán Crespo retired in November 2012 so his name shouldn't be in italics anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.18.56.97 (talk • contribs) 17 December 2012 
: Done. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 December 2012 

message: What you tink about include of the dates of football players' deaths? Dawid2009 (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this - if we have a Born column, it makes sense to have a Died column. OGBC1992 (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of deaths 

message: Bobby Moore was not selected. אגסי (talk) 21:09, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Bobby Moore

message: Having links and flag icons in the section headers contravenes MOS:HEAD. I propose combining all entries into one single table, with a new Nationality column as the first column in the table. --Jameboy (talk) 23:42, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table format