Talk:Saint Lucy's Day

message: Much of this information is already in the Celebrations part in the article Saint Lucy. Salmon 13:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "This is likely to be the reason why the tradition has lived on in the Nordic countries in particular, as the nights in November and December are very dark and long before the snow has fallen, and the idea of light overcoming darkness is thus appealing. As with many dates of hednic importance the christian church learned to conquer the population to it's belives by remain the celebration date but somewhat change the name or replace with a new name and purpose."
Are you kidding? Wanna clean up the grammar/spelling on this? I think it's pretty clear this particular portion of the entry isn't very scholarly. Perhaps some sources would help here rather than an "everyone knows that..." approach.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monodefuego (talk • contribs) 05:49, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: December 2009

message: Very interesting article. In England, children celebrate Halloween, when witches ride about in the sky on broomsticks, on 31 October, which I believe marked the end of the old year in the ancient Celtic calender. This, of course, is going back to pre-Christian times, which in England is effectively before the fourth century AD, since Roman Christianity was introduced into the province of Britannia then, and the pagan Anglo-Saxons who followed wouldn't have retained the old Celtic calender. Goes to show how ancient traditions can survive. Richard asr (talk) 10:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyedited section 'Saint Lucy/Lucia' and removed copyedit tag 

message: Question on the photo "Statue of St. Lucy at Saint Leonard of Port Maurice Church in the North End of Boston" - since martyrs' images usually depict the means of martyrdom, why does that statue hold out a dish containing eyes - not mentioned in any of the myths in the text ? Are we certain that the image is of the correct saint, or the correct St. Lucy (since there might be more than one). 213.115.10.98 (talk) 14:10, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on Saint Lucy goes into details on the eyes, so it appears the image is correct. But it does seem like something that would be good to explain in this article too. Siawase (talk) 04:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Eyes

message: This article is a hoax, and cheap catholic propaganda.
Scandinavian Lussi is no same person as Sicilian Lucy.
Italian author Enrico Altavilla explains it clearly.
Eliécer Guillén. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.109.75.6 (talk) 01:42, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Enrico Altavilla

message: I live in Sweden, and as far as I know, tomtenissar and gingerbread men are usually only part of Lucia processions featuring small children. In processions featuring teenagers or adults, all males are dressed as stjärngossar.
There are two reasons as to why I'm not going to edit this article myself:
# I'm not 100% sure that I'm right about this, and would like someone to confirm it.
# I think this might be considered original research.
I do however think that this is something that should be looked over, as the article as it is now suggests that tomtenissar or gingerbread men are as common as stjärngossar in the Swedish Lucia processions, which I'm fairly sure isn't the case.
Xwayj (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas themed costumes in Swedish Lucia processions 

message: For what it's worth, I find the second photo, described as being taken in 2006, to be far more spectacular and beautiful and frankly notable than the first. Let me recommend swapping the two. Rwflammang (talk) 01:46, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur, .The "2006" photo was only added to the article yesterday by .I have carried out your recommendation. Cheers to both of you! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
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message: > "The Swedish Syndrome: St.Lucy´s day, how a Sicialian woman can be worshiped in the far North"<1--can a better reference be located?-->
It looks like blog is quoting this researched article: http://www.griffith.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/54964/christmas-traditions.pdf
24.7.5.9 (talk) 07:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A better source for Reference 4 - Lussi? 

message: This article is not about a celebration of a saint, it should not start with the saint. This article was butchered quite unnecessary. Hafspajen (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have restored the version prior to 's cuts. From my knowledge of the Lussi celebration and coverage of it and the solstice and Yule connections, this is a topic covered in many reliable sources, and this article is both the appropriate place for it to be covered in the encyclopedia and our only coverage of it. However, he is correct that there are insufficient citations in the article. And there may well be fat that shuld be cut. Yngvadottir (talk) 01:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Last changes

message: Those who celebrate her most, in Sicily and Sweden, say Lucia, not Lucy. That should show in the article more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: True. And the Lutheran church venerates few saints, but is mostly Maria, Peter, Martyrs day and so on. It is not a veneration in the churches, but a public holliday. Hafspajen (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucia 

message: Until recently, this was Saint Lucy's Day, now St Lucy's Day. Only the English say so. Americans would say St. Lucy's Day, Swedes . Most of those who celebrate it seem to agree on Lucia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I said so before, as I see only now ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: While the Italians would use Lucia, 1) that's not the name of the holiday in English, and 2) this is the English Wikipedia, not the Italian Wikipedia. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) states we should title the article at its most common name in English, with the original or other common spellings listed early in the article. Gentgeen (talk) 08:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Swedes also say Lucia, and that doesn't appear in the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

text:  English speakers really don't celebrate Saint Lucy's day as much. I've only heard it in the context of Swedish celebrations, where they always refer to it as "Saint Lucia's Day". I was shocked to see it translated to such an irrelevant version. I agree with Gerda that we should refer to her primarily as Lucia, rather than the much less used Lucy.  --DavidMcP555 (talk) 07:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oppose move. The saint and her holy day have been known as St. Lucy and St. Lucy's Day forever in English. Scandinavians do not dominate that enough, just because they celebrate the day in their own way (which has little if anything to do with the actual historical woman), that we should name the article in another language. Scandinavian celebrations, and her name as used there, are covered sufficiently in the article as is. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: How does one pronounce "Lucia" and "Lussi"?  Leegrc (talk) 14:27, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lucia - in standard English rhymes with the fourth and fifth words in "I had to douche a patient." Lussi - in English would have to rhyme with fussy. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:40, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: It seems that the section on Denmark is written with a clear Christian bias. This may not be obvious to Christian readers. Most Danes even Christians (article in Danish) view this event as a secular one (celebration of light), even if it has a Christian theme. Light refers to long winter nights as well as the Christian Light - and also to a third type of light; as a hidden mark of resistance against German occupation (in WWII). This means that the day has a secular popular interpretation, the Christian "cover story" being just that, to all except Christians. I suggest to rewrite that section, so as to make it religiously neutral, but respecting both the value of that day to Christians, as well as the different value to common secular (non-religious) Danes. Also, so called "pagans" might have yet another interpretation of that day.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clsc (talk • contribs) 17:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denmark 

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