Talk:Foreign policy of the Hugo Chávez administration

message: Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez has to be updated. Important elements missing: Venezuela looking for a seat in the UN Security Council and recent trips (Africa summit and Belarus-Russia-Qatar-Iran tour). Also we need to rewrite the summary in the main article JRSP 08:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign policy section and article need updating

message: "Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez" claims that the US government did not recognise Pedro Carmonas government, while "United States-Venezuela relations" claims that it did.
:And, typically, neither statement is referenced, in either article.  I'll see what I can find.  Sandy 01:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Venezuelan coup attempt of 2002 states the U.S. "acknowledged the de facto Carmona government." After reading the source, a State Department press release, April 12, that phrasing seems more accurate.  We recognized that Chavez wasn't president, but never explicitly said Carmona was. MorrisGregorian 11:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That press release  does not appear to include recognition of the Carmona gov't, and I've never seen a reliable source which indicates that the US recognized the gov't.  They supported the resignation of Chavez.  Sandy 14:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, the press release acknowledges that there was a new government, but is that de facto recognition?  I think so, but if I understand your point, since it doesn't explicitly give recognition we shouldn't say the U.S. did.  How about changing the sentence to something like "the United States acknowledged that a 'transition civilian government' was in charge of Venezuela." MorrisGregorian 18:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure.  There was one source that specifically covered this, but I can't for the life of me find it again.  Maybe it would be safer just to say that the US govt didn't reject the transition government or something about what they didn't do, rather than what they did do?  Sandy 19:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could have sworn I've read something that covered this too, but I also can't remember.  I'll check to see if I can find something, though this might take a couple days.  If I can't, your idea sounds good. MorrisGregorian 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: In that case, it would be better to use some of the sources referring to the OAS meeting and countries, since most (but not all) of them acted in unison, and the USA was slower.  Sandy 01:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US/Pedro Carmona Government inconsitency

message: How come one of the most important countries in HC's foreign policy is completely neglected while we have long sections about Lybia and Israel? JRSP 20:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colombia

message: Proposed move to be in line with other similar articles, example Foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration. --Jonte-- 19:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Foreign policy of Hugo Chávez administration]] 

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message: no mentions of russia in here? its been growing soldily in the last weeks 
and his support for rafael and evo. Lihaas (talk) 12:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Got some boost with military ties andpurchases from russia. Also this edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_policy_of_Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez&diff=245341225&oldid=243141373) is probably a foundation for Russo ties. Lihaas (talk) 00:44, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  russia 

message: In said subsection, an editor wrote this closing remark: "The more astute Haggard was concerned about the effects Roberson's remarks would have on US corporate and evangelical missionaries' interests in Venezuela."
Questions: How did he/she find that Haggard is "more astute"? How does he/she know Haggard "was concerned" about that? That's either pure POV or just speculation. This is an Encyclopedia, remember! --AVM (talk) 20:52, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal opinions in the "Response to assassination calls" subsection 

message: A recent edit has added that [... a raid by the Colombians on FARC bases inside the Ecuadorian border] produced evidence of support of FARC by Hugo Chavez. This information is sourced on an opinion article by Diego Arria, a well-known figure of Venezuelan oposition.  An opinion article cannot be used to source an statement of fact; if the opinion is considered relevant, per WP:BLP it should be attributed to Arria. JRSP (talk) 13:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I was referring to this one, by another user --JRSP (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The new reference provided does not say that the raid "produced evidence" but that "Colombia’s government also said this week that it had obtained information on the computer showing that Mr. Chávez was channeling $300 million to the FARC. The information is the basis for its plan to file charges against Mr. Chávez in the International Criminal Court, Mr. Uribe said Tuesday in Bogotá.", so it would still need attribution, this is something that the Colombian government said, not a proven fact ( BTW after 18 months they have not filed any charges). Also, the present prose ("...led to military moves by Venezuela in conjunction with Ecuador after a raid by the Colombians on FARC bases inside the Ecuadorian border produced evidence of support of FARC by Hugo Chavez.") is not consistent with the timeline of events: The diplomatic rift and the movement of troops happened on March 3, before the Colombian government accusations against Chávez(March 4). JRSP (talk) 18:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

text:  The Guardian article, it says "Hugo Chávez faces serious allegations...", "Leaks from the trove of files and photographs have suggested..." and in fact it says that "Interpol certified that Colombia did not tamper with the files but made no judgment about their reliability or accuracy" and that "Analysts have cautioned that the Farc's internal memos may contain misinformation or wishful thinking.". This reference does not support that there is "evidence of support of FARC by Hugo Chavez" JRSP (talk) 18:28, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Evidence" of support to FARC 

message: the tag was on for nearly 2 years with no discussion on going. I have thus edited adn removed the tag (although the grammar was pretty awful and in need of a copy edit too)Lihaas (talk) 10:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colombia POV tag 

message: The article lacks the relations towards one of the most important partners, Spain. Bakulan (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain

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