Talk:International response to the Spanish Civil War

message: "various forms of aid and military support were given to BOTH sides by Nazi Germany" [emphasis added] -- I suspect that is true, but I'd really like to see it expanded upon and footnoted with regard to aid to the Republicans. Can the author of that sentence (or anybody) provide more information?
24.96.210.230 (talk) 19:10, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I dropped the unsourced and unlikely claim that RS have not reported. Rjensen (talk) 19:20, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: even a picky, pedantic wimp should be able to understand a simple statement.  Rjensen (talk) 17:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "aid . . . given to BOTH sides by Nazi Germany"

message: Perhaps I was wrong in doing so, and I am open to criticism on this, but I deleted a number of the references to the Jewish brigades in the civil war.  Not only are the numbers woefully inflated, they also lack reference and are in complete opposition with already sourced data.  I would say, anyone wishing to establish those numbers ( I believe 6500-8000 ) as fact should find a respectable citation to back up such a claim.  Following those statistics was also a troubling, and entirely subjective interpretation of the Jewish importance in the war.  While I have nothing against the Jewish people, an article on the Spanish Civil War is certainly no place to advance ethnic or national causes.  Any attempt to levy one single groups importance over the rest is downright disrespectful to all those who died fighting.  I would also like to add that I had to remove some sentences regarding the supposed brutality of both the POUM and the anarchists.  None of these claims are cited and the wording was frankly unintelligible.  I would challenge anybody to find a reference that states either of these groups were overtly more brutal in their methods than the nationalists, or the Stalinist affiliated popular front parties.
--Indiefilm45 08:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jews in the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War

message: I think that the number of 6500-8000  Jews in the International Brigades is vastly inflated.  I have never seen a number that high.  Hugh Thomas puts the number of Jews at about 3,000 and that would be a little less than 10% of all the people who fought in that military formation.  What is the source for such an inflated number?  I checked out the citation of The Naftali Botwin Company, By Mitch Abidor and it is an internet source without citation.  I have read several books on this Confict and none mentions such a high proportion of Jews.  
Ethnically such would be almost impossible.  The French, Italians and Germans furnished about 50% of the membership of the International Brigades and few Jews lived there as a proportion of the population.  The most heavily Jewish countries that furnished large numbers to the International Brigades would be Poland and the United States.  That would be a total of about 8,000 volunteers from both countries.  The American volunteers were heavily Jewish, about 1/3  of the total, I would say.  Polish volunteers were probably heavily Jewish also, but probably about the same proportion 1/3.  That would be about 2700 Jews from those two countries.  The rest of the countries had few Jews in the population except perhaps Hungary.  
I would hope that proof be submitted or the new materials withdrawn.
GenghisTheHun 01:30, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jews in the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War

message: Under the 'American' heading is this 'The United States furnished 2,800 men of whom 900 were killed' then is proceeds to talk about European fighters?
"2,000 British served with 500 being killed. There were also 1,500 Czechs, 1,500 Yugoslavs, 1,200 Canadians, 1,000 Hungarians and 1,000 Scandinavians about half of whom were Swedes. The rest came from 53 countries.[14] Perhaps 3,000 of the volunteers were Jewish.[15]"
i moved it to under european but the article could do with more on american fighters. --Neon white 19:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some rewriting needed 

message: The main article of Spanish Civil War was criticized as being too bulky.  I moved the foreign intervention part of that article here and broke it down into general headings.  It will continue to need re-working to harmonize and reorganize the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenghisTheHun (talk • contribs) 14:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Consolidated Articles

message: I agree that Thomas is no longer the best source at least for materials to the Republic.  Since the Iron Curtain archives have opened, much work was been done in that area.  I think Gerald Howson is better than Thomas.  I am working on his book right now.  I am appalled at how much the Republic was swindled by the arms dealers and by Stalin.  The problem that the Republic had, in one resepect at least, was that it had the cash.  The Nationalists went on credit.  I will work with you to get the proper figures.  It appears that the Republican figures will go down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GenghisTheHun (talk • contribs) 17:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its all good. I will add this to Project Spain, Germany now to get a rating. After making a lot of additions to the Legion article it got a start rating, which is strange but thats seems to be how the game works- get your rating before additions, then after making additions seek a higher rating. Noticed a lot of piss-poor B rated military articles so that must be how they gamed the system. Fluffy999 15:24, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Requested reviews from projects where I know Governments were involved, adding for international brigades would be too much. Fluffy999 15:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Thomas as a source for Republican materials

message: I think that this material is very relevant to the question of aid to the Republic and should be reinserted.  Most countries of the world backed away from the Republic, in a large number of cases because of the atrocities and this was extremely harmful to the Republican cause.
Here is the part that was removed.
"Many in these countries were also shocked by the violence practiced by anarchist and POUM militias - and reported by a relatively free press in the Republican zone - and feared Stalinist influence over the Republican government. Reprisals, assassinations and other atrocities in the rebel zone were, of course, not reported nearly as widely."
GenghisTheHun 15:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion--some of the deleted material should be reinserted

message: * Standardised references and footnotes.
* Updated some statistics from Thomas (2001)
* Consolidated American and European volunteer sections. (Many Americans and Canadians were exiles and fought with nation-of-origin battalions)
* Changed Lincoln BRIGADE to battalion throughout (once :)
* "Use of the Spanish Civil War as weapons testing ground" - edited for brevity.
* There remains a fair amount of duplication. (For instance, stuff on the Irish Blueshirts and the Portuguese appearing into two places}. 
* Best, I think, to consolidate into two sections: Nationlist and Republican, which is what I've started to do.
* No Conclusions section. Was anyone planning one?
All the best, Roger 05:30, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits 29 Apr

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Could you post references, footnotes, and quotes about Soviet Union aid in material... To the exact number which is written:
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These arms included 1,000 aircraft, 900 tanks, 1,500 artillery pieces, 300 armored cars, hundreds of thousands of small arms, and 30,000 tons of ammunition (some of which was defective)
And until then, could you remove that fact from the public's eyes.
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thread_title:  Soviet Aid issue 

message: Have greatly reduced the weight of article (wikilinks and inline citations) by setting up the following:
List of foreign correspondents in the Spanish Civil War--Technopat (talk) 07:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of foreign correspondents in the Spanish Civil War 

message: This article is very messy the Patriot/Christian assistance and the International Bolshevik/Antichristic support are all mixed together, in a seemingly random order. There should be two clear and distinct sections for each. - Yorkshirian (talk) 14:41, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one way to do it. Off you go then...Mdw0 (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Messy

message: Failed for WPPOLAND. Concur with prior MILHIST review: too much unreferenced content. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:16, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: Article says "The German chargé d'affaires reported that the British were supplying ammunition to the Republicans, as well as passing on information about Russian arms shipments to the Germans."
Shouldn't it say they were sending ammo to the Nationalists? Historian932 (talk) 15:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what that wording was supposed to mean, is that the German chargé d'affaires passed on, to the Germans, information about Russian arms shipments. On the assumption that is what it means, I have removed the mention of Russians and Germans, as neither are relevant to the section's topic, which is English and French involvement. Thank you for spotting this very misleading wording. MPS1992 (talk) 18:17, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

text: I do also wonder about the meaning and significance of the sentence "Both the British and French governments were aware of the First World War." ...... MPS1992 (talk) 18:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong word? 

message: From the Wikedia main article on Spanish civil war:
::Another significant Soviet involvement was the activity of the People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs (NKVD) inside the Republican rearguard. Communist figures including Vittorio Vidali ("Comandante Contreras"), Iosif Grigulevich, Mikhail Koltsov and, most prominently, Aleksandr Mikhailovich Orlov led operations that included the murders of Catalan anti-Stalinist Communist politician Andrés Nin, the socialist journalist Mark Rein, and the independent left-wing activist José Robles. Another NKVD-led operation was the shooting down (in December 1936) of the French aircraft in which the delegate of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), Georges Henny, carried extensive documentation on the Paracuellos massacres to France.Vidal, Cesar. La guerra que gano Franco. Madrid, 2008. p. 256.
Should not this be added to this article? --85.52.243.230 (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I will include it. --47.61.119.51 (talk) 20:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Another Soviet involvement

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 13:12, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Foreign involvement in the Spanish Civil War →  – I have suggested "International response" rather than "Foreign involvement" as a better approach in this article for two reasons:
* "Foreign involvement" is a vague term which unhelpfully implies some kind of direct engagement by foreign states. I can see it would apply to Italy and Germany but it's hard to describe the US response, for example, as "involvement".
* We already have a number of "International response" articles, eg International response to the Holocaust. —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:11, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 16 May 2021