Talk:Kimberley, Northern Cape

message: Can someone get a picture of the Big Hole? --Slashme 12:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a link to Google Maps;  unfortunately they only have low-res imagery of the area still, but hopefully one day it'll become better.  You can see the hole (the largest) near the centre. dewet|™ 12:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Big hole

message: First Reference "Roberts ... pp 45-49" should name title and first name, or not? --Helium4 (talk) 14:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference Roberts 

message: Kimberley is described as a city in the opening paragraph. The population is then mentioned to be 167 000 hich seems to be to high for the city alone, unless the suburbs of Kimberley are also included in this figure. We need the population of Kimberly alone without its suburbs. P.s. what date was it this population size ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.5.191.151 (talk • contribs) 
:In the old school system, the town became a city when the cathedral was built. Socrates2008 (Talk) 09:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you subtract all the suburbs you'd be left with just the "naked" Central business district - with a negligible very small residential population. Roger (talk) 10:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yip, but what's the point - since when are cities delineated by their CBD's alone? Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly the point I'm making, the OP asked for the population of "Kimberley minus its suburbs", but "Kimberley minus suburbs" has no residential areas at all, or in other words, all Kimberley's residential areas are in the form of defined (and named) suburbs and townships. In terms of population "the city alone" is not a useful concept. It's as pointless as insisting that the population of London, UK should be defined as the population of only the City of London. Roger (talk) 11:26, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Settled then. Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

text: It now seems to be agreed that the population of Kimberley (or any other town or city for that matter) must include all its suburbs. So presumably Galeshewe should be included as well. The problem now is to pin down what that figure is! I've been looking at the Stats SA web, and found (more by luck than anything else) the 2007 Community Survey document http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/p03011/p030112007.pdf. On page 19 the Sol Plaatje Municipality is credited with a 2007 population of 243,018. The problem is that the Sol Plaatje Local Municipality incorporates a little more than just the city of Kimberley. So far as I'm aware (as a resident of Kimberley), Galeshewe and Roodepan do indeed form part of Kimberley, whereas Ritchie and Motswedimosa are situated some 35km SSW of the city. Bearing in mind the relatively small populations of the latter two townships, would 243,018 perhaps be a reasonable figure to use, citing the abovementioned Stats SA doc as the source? My apologies for jumping in at this late stage of this talk, I was wondering how best to approach the original (and to my mind perplexing) suggestion of counting only the CBD population. Barrydowns (talk) 21:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Most SA city/town articles have a "standardised" population table, currently based on the 2001 Census as it is the most recent data avaiable with the required level of detail. The 2007 survey data is only at municipal level. I've asked User:Underlying lk to help out as he/she seems to be the editor responsible for most of the demographic data in SA place articles. Roger (talk) 07:13, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I'll bow out now and leave it to you and Underlying. You both appear to be far bettered equipped than I to attend to these matters. For what it's worth I now see that the StatsSA pdf file (p030112007.pdf) - which I thought I was so clever to even find - has already beed cited in the article! I look forward to seeing what Underlying comes up with, and how he/she presents it.Barrydowns (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I've now updated the infobox population stats to reflect those figures. - htonl (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Htonl, sorry I forgot to include you in the request for help, I should have remembered that you are also a stats and demographics wizard in Wikiproject South Africa. Roger (talk) 12:35, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Htonl on this one, it makes sense to include the neighbouring townships in the demographic figures, especially if they don't have an article of their own.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 12:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: The best (authorotative) source we have for population stats are the 2001 census and 2007 survey. Unfortunately they do not use consistently defined areas - the 2007 stats refer to Sol Plaatjie Local Municipality which, as previously mentioned, includes a few small towns that are in no way definable as part of the city. Roger (talk) 16:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I suspect that the figures in the "Comprehensive Urban Plan" probably refer to the whole municipality. - htonl (talk) 16:27, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population of Kimberley 

message: has anyone heard of two brothers from Poland in connection with the early days of the mine?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.233.203 (talk) 20:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  poznanski 

message: Does anyone have references for the History part? It looks useful and well written but with no references it can't be used & verified.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SavvyVee (talk • contribs) 12:59, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need references - especially history 

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message: The population of Kimberley is certainly NOT 1 295 000. 41.23.4.24 (talk) 23:19, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  population 

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thread_title:  Kimberly in Afrikaans