Talk:Queen Mathilde of Belgium

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"...Though her grandfather and her uncle were barons, she and her father were members of the untitled nobility...
Mathilde's father is Count (formerly Jonkheer) Patrick d'Udekem d'Acoz..."
Now he EITHER is an untitled member of the aristocracy or gentry (can't be nobility) OR he is a count.
WHAT is it?
Verity Truth (talk) 20:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, like in the Netherlands, there is an untitled nobility in Belgium. Members of the nobility who don't have a title are entitled to use the style "Jonkheer" (in Dutch) or Ecuyer (in French). Princess Mathilde's father was a member of the untitled nobility as her grandfather's title of baron had passed to her uncle. By Royal Order of 8 November 1999, baron Henri d'Udekem d'Acoz, Raoul d'Udekem d'Acoz and Patrick d'Udekem d'Acoz were granted the title of count for themselves and their descendants. This Royal Order entered into force on the date of the wedding of Prince Philippe and Princess Mathilde.--Ganchelkas (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Maybe with the sentence was meant: ...therefore if Prince Philippe assumes the throne, Princess Mathilde will become the only European Queen Consort of nobility. And with nobility I only mean "legally" recognized, since the nobility in Germany and Greece is abolished. Demophon (talk) 16:30, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

text: So is in Poland, where her nobility comes from, the monarchy abolished.  Argument still flawed. (Notconnectedtome (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Duchess of Brabant's father was a Belgian nobleman. Surtsicna (talk) 14:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Well, King Albert II raised Mathilde's family from the rank of esquire to count. Keep in mind also that Mathilde's uncle was already a baron in his own right. Her father was only a esquire (jonkheer) because, in his family in particular, the baronial title descended only by primogeniture, which is actually somewhat rare in the nobility of Belgium and the Netherlands. In any case, untitled nobility is legally recognized in Belgium, unlike in the UK, and there's no legal doubt that Mathilde is of noble birth (hence why she was legally entitled to use the jonkvrouw predicate from birth). As for Camilla, what title or honorific predicate did she have before marrying Prince Charles ? 161.24.19.112 (talk) 14:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: Shouldn't the title of the article be "Queen Mathilde of the Belgians" ? There is no such title as "Queen of Belgium" or, for that matter, "King of Belgium". 161.24.19.112 (talk) 14:22, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Mathilde is not "Queen of the Belgians". That title is reserved to reigning queens. Her legal titles in Belgium are "Queen", "Princess of Belgium", and "Countess d'Udekem d'Acoz".2804:14C:165:8EC3:C0FA:D446:67A:7BB (talk) 11:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
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