Talk:Keaau, Hawaii

message: The GNIS spells the name Keaau, so I propose spelling it that way again in the article, instead of using the old simplified spelling. W Nowicki (talk) 03:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find Keaau or Kea'au at factfinder.census.gov?  This is a census-designated place, so by definition it must go by the Census spelling.  Nyttend (talk) 00:59, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, indirectly. When I go to http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer it says: "This dataset is derived from the Census GICS and does not contain unincorporated place names. For other geographic entities, try searching the USGS Geographic Names Information System." and as noted above, GNIS uses the okina. See feature ID 360892, . The more basic question is if this article should be about the place (commnity, town, populated place, whatever you want to call it), which was established long before any census, let alone an old database with historical limitations, or just the CDP. The article title is not "Keaau-CDP, Hawaii". The Census is merely one way of measuring this place. It sounds like we have differing opinions, so need mediation to avoid edit war. I think a very reasonable compromise is to have the article title not use the okina, and perhaps even the infobox title if you insist, but the body of the article governed by the Hawaii Manual of Style instead of your personal choice. W Nowicki (talk) 03:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many sources omit diacritics for the sake of simplicity even when they properly should be there.  Try going to Place Names of Hawaii, an authoritative reference (available online at ), and what do you find?  Keaau, not Keaau.  The fact that it is a CDP is irrelevant, we're not talking about two different places.  In fact, different places may be distinguished by the presence of diacritics, e.g. Mana (on Molokai) and Mānā (in Kaū on Hawaii).  KarlM (talk) 11:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Keaau CDP, Hawaii" is not the Bureau's name for the community; the type of community is always given after the name, as you can witness at Oklahoma City city, Oklahoma.  It is an error to state that "Kea'au is a census-designated place" as you propose; by going by a different name, you're effectively saying that the Census Bureau — which is, by the way, using English as used by English speakers in the vast majority of the world — is unreliable here.  Do you suggest removing the data dependent on the Census Bureau?  The GNIS describes a populated place with indefinite boundaries and population; nothing can be said about it demographically or geographically except the coordinates and elevation of its center.  Nyttend (talk) 00:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Because nobody opposed to my proposal I  considering the MOS:HAWAII as well. --ThT (talk) 19:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
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