Talk:Steven Plaut

message: Several editors (or possibly one editor using several ids) have been removing a quote from Tikkun magazine on the grounds that it is "not a serious source". On the contrary, Tikkun is an extremely serious and influential magazine. It is worthy of its own entry in Wikipedia, and many other articles link to or cite it. 
I do not believe that this is a "good faith" edit, rather that the editors do not wish Wikipedia readers to know that "Writing under assumed names, Plaut has a long history of attacking, labeling, and targeting left-wing scholars in Israel" I have accordingly reinstated the quote. --RolandR 17:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Refactored potential copyvio. --Elonka 01:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tikkun magazine

message: Due to Haaretz's archiving practices, some of the urls in the article now lead to "Page not found" errors. Please note that Footnotes 7, 8 and 9, http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/724857.html should be replaced by  http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=724857
RolandR (talk) 09:42, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done! --Haemo (talk) 03:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: to update the appeal... "Both sides appealed to the District Court in Nazareth and In March 2008, the court rejected the appeal by Gordon and accepted Plaut's appeal, except for one publication depicted in the verdict as the "third publication". In regards to this publication, the appeal by Plaut was rejected by a majority ruling. In this publiction, Plaut called Gordon a "Judenrat Wannabe". The court then reduced the damages to just 10,000 shekels, or about $2,700, with no payment of legal costs required, because "Gordon put himself in the eye of the storm of public discussion". There is an ongoing appeal to the Supreme Court of Israel. [2] [3]" - also to shorten it all out. Amoruso (talk) 10:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no strong opinion on the WP:WEIGHT issue, but it does concern me when I see multiple reliable sources deleted from an article. Usually it is better practice to thin out the information from the sources, but to keep the sources themselves intact.  Or is there some other reason that they were removed? --Elonka 17:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sources were all related to the trial. This article is not about the trial, but about Plaut. As part of the weight issue, I've removed the entire section of the trial and summarized it using the sources accepted in consensus, with the help of an administrator mediating, over the same issue on Neve Gordon article. If you feel that there are some very pertinent sources that need to be reinstated please do so, but please keep in mind the weight issue and that parties to the trial feel very strongly about it and it immediately spans in length representing the pov's. Amoruso (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: unblock needed

message: Consequently, I cut down the whole section and used the paragraph from Neve Gordon article to review the issue. Amoruso (talk) 17:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no strong opinion on the WP:WEIGHT issue, but it does concern me when I see multiple reliable sources deleted from an article. Usually it is better practice to thin out the information from the sources, but to keep the sources themselves intact.  Or is there some other reason that they were removed? --Elonka 17:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The sources were all related to the trial. This article is not about the trial, but about Plaut. As part of the weight issue, I've removed the entire section of the trial and summarized it using the sources accepted in consensus, with the help of an administrator mediating, over the same issue on Neve Gordon article. If you feel that there are some very pertinent sources that need to be reinstated please do so, but please keep in mind the weight issue and that parties to the trial feel very strongly about it and it immediately spans in length representing the pov's. Amoruso (talk) 14:09, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:WEIGHT and re-organize

message: In addition to some very minor "clean-up" editing, I changed the "Apartheid Wall" reference to "Israeli West Bank Barrier". The latter is the title of the linked-to Wikipedia article, and the change reflects my understanding that Wikipedia articles are supposed to present factual information rather than editorializing. Whether one likes Steve Plaut or not (and, for the record, I do not like the man), a biographical article on him is not the place to express an opinion on the Barrier - or, for that matter, on any other Israeli security policy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Don Radlauer (talk • contribs) 14:32, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description of edit, 11Feb2010 

message: This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Wikipedia:Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Wikipedia:Pending changes/Queue   are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.
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thread_title: Pending changes

message: I've just pointed out to two editors that there is a 1RR restriction on this article. The only exceptions are clear vandalism, which I don't think was the case, and IP edits. Dougweller (talk) 09:26, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbitration remedies 

message: Three important aspects of the political views of Plaut are missing - 
1) the anti-Palestinian writings and comments. The following source published
Plaut's own words: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/11654  
("Op Ed: Happy Nakba Day"). It is at least as reliable a source as the source (Frontpagemag) of
a lengthy citation of Plaut's writing in the present article, presenting his 
attitude to a different target of his sharp pen - the Palestinians. As this issue is "hidden" behind
most of the writings of Plaut against "self hating Jews", as he defines them,
It is appropriate to include the Palestinians specifically.
There is currently only vague mention of his criticism of the "Israeli-Arab piece
process", but not a single mention of Palestinians about which he writes
much more than about "Israeli-Arab".
Other sources for Plaut's writing about the Palestinians:
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/news/162/how-nakba-proves-theres-no-palestinian-nation/
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/steven-plaut/the-%E2%80%9Cnakba%E2%80%9D-debunked/
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/05/u-of-haifa-stops-nakba-commemoration-as-prof-writes-hate-post-calling-for-many-nakbas.html
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7964
But the "Happy nakba day" summarizes it all.
 
2) The [Palestinian] issue as well as many writings against Israeli academics
are abundant on http://stevenplaut.blogspot.co.il/ which contains his current
writings and comments as well as an archive. 
3) It is a substantial understatement to mention just the figures of Michael Lerner
and Norman Finkelstein as the only two "left wing" Jews targeted by Plaut.
In his "Isracampus.org.il" (it can easily be proved that this site is under his full control...)
he has more than 100 "academic leftists" from Israeli institutions whom he follows and "reports" about.
Please comment on whether those three references should or should not be introduced 
into the Steven Plaut article Rastiniak (talk) 12:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of this, and lots more about Plaut's controversial record, has been in earlier versions of the article, but  has been removed in the course of prolonged edit wars, much of it conducted by blocked sockpuppeteer Truthprofessor and his many socks. RolandR (talk) 18:43, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why should material written and signed by Plaut himself be a matter of controversy ? Does he not back his own words ? Rastiniak (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Plaut is considered a reliable source for his own views, to the extent that these are notable. But he is not considered a reliable source for other matters; and emphatically not for his comments on other people. Indeed, since he has been involved in libel actions against more than one subject of Wikipedia articles, it would be unwise in the extreme to quote him uncritically. There have also been deletions of several references to Plaut's alleged extensive use of sockpuppets in a relentless cyber campaign against perceived opponents (including anti-Zionist Jews, Israeli anti-occupation activists, Marxists and even some right-wing dissidents). Although this is well attested, the reports by Ran HaCohen, Richard Silverstein, David Newman and others have not been accepted as reliable sources. I recommend that you take a careful look at the talk page (including archives) before attempting to add any of this to the article. RolandR (talk) 22:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

text:  Three very notable references were added to the Political views section of Steven Plaut from his own major activities: the anti-Palestinian writings (2 references - from israelnationalnews and frontpagemag) and the anti-Israeli leftists writings (Plaut's personal blog), including a mention of the "gallery of Rogues" with more than 120 Israeli academics presented on www.isracampus.org.il. The citation of Samuel Sokol to the criticism of Israeli academics is not reachable. There are other mentions of that activity in the Israeli newspapers which could replace it, such as http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/10-percent-of-israeli-academics-labeled-anti-zionist-by-campus-watchdogs-1.408535 in which Plaut is quoted by the journalist. I assume that Plaut is proud of all his own writings and quotes and will not attempt to reverse the citations from major venues of his own writings such as Frontpagemag and IsraelNationalNews, which may serve to advertise his work. All of these changes have been discussed in this section and it does not seem that any WP editors have mentioned opposition to the above suggested additions. Rastiniak (talk) 22:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Did he write this : "Israel must re-occupy the Gaza Strip, subject it to martial law, and carry out a decades-long program of Denazification." ? I am not sure that "Nakba skeptical" and even "anti-Palestinian" is adapted for his writings. Is there no third party comment about these ? Pluto2012 (talk) 17:36, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: He did indeed; and in the same article he called for the murder of journalists: "I personally am of the opinion that any journalist characterizing terrorists as “militants” or “activists” should be regarded as directly participating in aggression against Israel and treated as an enemy combatant." RolandR (talk) 17:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. He doesn't call directly for the murder of journalists but this sentence should be added a way or the other in the article. He is clearly not just "anti-Palestinian". Pluto2012 (talk) 18:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any possibility to introduce this information ? It seems critical regarding Steven Plaut. Pluto2012 (talk) 08:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

text: The unreachable reference of a Samuel Sokol piece was replaced by one which conveys similar ideas, with the journalist quoting Plaut on the monitoring of Israeli academics Rastiniak (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Views of Plaut 

message: Citations that were required since December 2012 and were not supplied were deleted from the articleרסטיניאק (talk) 12:15, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: His CV on the official website of CEU is a good source. Nataev (talk) 11:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Plaut's CV is written by himself and sent to CEU. This is not a resource for any other than his current teaching at CEU. The claims for academic career should be backed. Nataev should follow WP:DR, which clarifies the need for proper citations when there is a dispute. Such citations were requested for a long time before deletion, and the revert by Nataev is not justified. רסטיניאק (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since it's clear to everyone that Golblum has had issues with Prof. Plaut, Nataev would like to point out that Golblum is simply trying to play down the article on Prof. Plaut. Nataev (talk) 22:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You make me laugh...are'nt you the one who was blocked from editing the Amiram Goldblum article due to having been caught as a promoter of Plaut and your close relations with him ? רסטיניאק (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  And aren't you the one with multiple accounts who writes about himself? I was blocked for "offending" you, not "promoting" Prof. Plaut. And stop baiting me, if you know what I mean. Nataev (talk) 11:08, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  deletions due to lack of citations and requests for citations 

message: A person who writes a single fiction book which is graded lower than 2.4 million books on Amazon
can not claim a "literary career"..... רסטיניאק (talk) 12:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Literary Career" of Plaut 

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