Talk:List of people from Mississippi

message: In a recent edit I added 500+ entries to this list, doubling the list's size. My original intention before even gathering the new names was to eventually include every existing page that fit within the list's scope. However, the current list now contains 1,002 entries and a search shows the potential for nearly 7,000 more names! Obviously this is far too many names for a single page. The page is already at 99 kilobytes and is at the moment separated as follows—
1 Activists and advocates                22 entries
2 Actors/Actresses                       50
3 Artists                                27
4 Athletes and sports-related people
  4.1 Baseball                           70 
  4.2 Basketball                         78
  4.3 American football                 231
  4.4 Other sports                       36
5 Broadcast media personalities           9
6 Comedians                               3
7 Educators                              13
8 Entrepreneurs/Business leaders         21
9 Filmmakers                              6
10 Inventors                              3
11 Jurists and lawyers                   13
12 Military figures                      12
13 Models                                21
14 Musicians and performers             211
15 Physicians                             6
16 Politicians                           95
17 Supercentenarians                      3
18 Writers                               56
19 Other people                          16
What do others think about how the page should be dealt with once it becomes far to large?
:Option 1: Leave all names on one page no matter how large it gets.
:Option 2: Separate sections into new articles only once they have reached a certain length. (eg: List of athletes from Mississippi)
:Option 3: Separate all sections into new articles at the same time no matter their sizes.
:Option 4: Move from a notability-based list to an alphabetical list by list name and separate into new articles. (eg: List of people from Mississippi (A-C))
Another consideration to improve the page would be to add thumbnail pictures of people from the list to the right side. The equivalent Indiana page does this and looks pretty good, in my opinion. Thoughts on both issues or anything similar? — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 05:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen such lists broken down into separate alphabetical lists before. For example, List of people from Mississippi (A-F), List of people from Mississippi (G-L), List of people from Mississippi (M-R) and List of people from Mississippi (S-Z). Not sure if that is a good way to go or not. Haven't given much thought to it really. Here is a perfect example of how this could be achieved. -  ALLST✰R▼echo wuz here  06:02, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future expansion of page 

message: I don't know if you all are just really that damn stupid or are just skimming across the source at lightening speed but the source does more than "Ref doesn't establish notability, name is listed as an attendee to a conference, nothing more". It specifically says in the source that he's the executive director. Also, nevermind the fact that another article on Wikipedia backs up this entry. Further, you can easily hit Google up for more sources but that would be work, wouldn't it? Nevermind, don't bother answering. It's obvious no one is willing to even give the entry a fair chance. 75.66.75.195 (talk) 05:24, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I opened a discussion on ANI about your edit-warring and conflict of interest here. You are welcome to participate. Otherwise, see existing discussion above. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you also mention your own edit warring? Of course not. I will not particiapte in that ridiculous discussion which you seem to think is the biggest emergency on Wikipedia and are whiny because you don't think it's getting the immediate attention and outcome you think it should.. so otherwise, piss off. 75.66.75.195 (talk) 18:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for the piss off bit I agree, ASE I feel they are simply baiting you and using inflamatory language is only showing that it's working. I trust ASE's judgement on almost anything compared to that of the other editor under discussion. Expressly concerning anything to do with Mississippi. Frankly there's a reasonable case to leave the entry and let the editors here who actually are willing to do the actual work of improving the article by researching and adding sourcing. It is after all a few words listing, not a stand alone article. As the list grows and larger sections become their own sublists, a section devoted to LGBT people is not an unlikely prospect. Then the logical question remains is Renaldo one of the most notable LGBT activists in the state. My hunch would be yes but I'm also not a specialist in this specific subject area so am happy to defer to those that are. If Delicious carbuncle just can't seem to leave you alone then WP:Griefing may apply. In any case please remain civil even if they disrupt or cause you other problems. I'm sure there's some sort of interesting issue going on when an editor follows mainly LGBT editors around and vies for their attention, that they can't take a hint really isn't our fault.  -- Banjeboi 18:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Having this article on my watchlist and acting when Allstarecho tries to add themselves to the list against the opinions of other editors (again) has absolutely nothing to do with LGBT issues, but I'm not surprised you see it that way. Could you expand on your "interesting issue" comment because I'm not quite sure what it is you're trying to say? Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have had nothing but time-wasting poor interactions with you so I really feel like this is yet another situation where just ignoring you is likely best for all concerned.  -- Banjeboi 05:30, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Renaldo

message: :*User:Nefariousski came in and removed many very famous/nationally acclaimed/notable artists. Just because they don't have an article on Wikipedia does not mean they can't be in a list of people. I restored SOME of those people, with additional sources. Yes, go back and look.. I didn't restore ALL of the people that Nefariousski removed. THEN, you came along and removed even more very famous/nationally acclaimed/notable people. This is a LIST for god's sake, not an article! People on this list do NOT have to have an article on Wikipedia. Per WP:Lists of people, it is very reasonable to think or expect that at some time in the future, these people will have an article about them, but it's not a requirement. 75.66.75.195 (talk) 19:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Stand-alone lists are Wikipedia articles.  I think you must be thinking of wp:categories--Work permit (talk) 01:09, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

text: *Not having an article already is a very bad litmus test actually, we use WP:Redlinks in part to show on lists such as this where Wikipedia may have gaps in coverage. Due to systematic bias Wikipedia tends to have articles that mirror the make-up of the editors here. The average Wikipedian on the English Wikipedia is (1) a man, (2) technically inclined, (3) formally educated, (4) an English speaker (native or non-native), (5) white, (6) aged 15–49, (7) from a majority-Christian country, (8) from a developed nation, (9) from the Northern Hemisphere, and (10) likely employed as a white-collar worker or as a student rather than as a labourer (cf. Wikipedia:User survey and Wikipedia:University of Würzburg survey, 2005). This is why we encourage content editors to make the best effort to comprehensively and dispassionately cover a subject. As far as I can see ASE has been doing decent and diligent work and the only issue is this one entry which other editors claim must be promotional. It might be but frankly ASE is also one of the more competent folks to know the context of Mississippi culture. I have no issue with including person X is the founder of organization y, that's exactly how we do it on a disambiguation page and wikipedia remains not made of paper so it's not a space issue. Once the entire list is cleaned up and vetted, splits into smaller lists occur, etc then it may be obvious to all that this one entry is unneeded or indeed is no big deal. The only reason there seems to be a focus is on the editor rather than the content. That's almost never a good editing policy. Inclusion or disinclusion should likely wait until we get the work done that should preceed a thoughtful review in where we likely have gaps in coverage, how that should be remedied, etc.  -- Banjeboi 19:54, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Having a Wiki article is actually a very good criterion for notability. Wiki articles are scrutinized for notability, to weed out self-promoters and those transiently in the news. As it is, there are too many people on this list with nothing more to show except that they have a website or that they once got their name in a magazine.  As for systematic bias, someone had to put each name on the list; if the person who listed them does not consider them worth the bother of creating at least a stub Wiki article about them, that tells me that even the person who listed their name does not rate them highly. Creating Wiki articles about people is not difficult, if they are notable.  Plazak (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: See above.  I just reverted an addition of "Anthony Colom (born 1968), publisher and editor of The New Power  Magazine".  While the policy of WP:Lists of people does not require an article, or a reasonable chance of having one, it does require establishing notability of the individual within the context of "being a Mississippian". In practice, I think it's going to be a very unusual situation where someone is a "notable Mississippian" without being notable in his own right.  The issue in this article is that there are too many people listed, not too few.  Certainly  is not a notable Mississippian.--Work permit (talk) 02:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree strongly.  Too often this article is used for self-promotion, often using only the subject's own website for reference.  Plazak (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Comment: FWIW, here is the wp:afd on his magazine Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Junior_Varsity_Magazine--Work permit (talk) 03:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: , Anthony Colom--Work permit (talk) 13:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm inclined to agree with Work permit. Seven years of publishing a hard copy magazine does not make one inherently notable, especially if it's a magazine that is distributed only at trade shows (which the recreated article on his hop-hop magazine asserted). Given the meager independent coverage of Colom, and given that neither he nor either of his magazines has an article, notability is not demonstrated. —C.Fred (talk) 14:29, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthony Colom

message: Due to all of the dead space on the right side, it would be a good idea to add pictures to fill the space. I have seen it on a few other pages and I think that it looks good. The question is, who among all of the names do we give these places of honor? Although I could pick and choose all alone, I'm curious who other people would choose. I have only three requests.
#Obviously the person has to have a picture, so check articles for decent pictures before making choices. Remember that the pictures will be around thumbnail size, so if the person is too far away or within a group, they won't be seen or distinguished.
#The person should have more significance than "he's my favorite." Most should be people who did something first, exceptional, or have influence in some way.
#The list should be created first before adding so that it all moves smoothly.
Because we are lucky enough that this list is divided by category and not just alphabetically, pictures could be grouped next to the categories in which this belong. — CobraWiki ( jabber | stuff ) 18:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who should be added as right-side images? 

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