Talk:South Park Mexican

message: I ddon't plan on writing a lenghty article on spm, but until another editor steps up and contributes a quality biography, it's almost better to have no SPM article at all than to have what was here previously.  Chairman Sharif 18:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your work Chairman. SPM has been an article with constant problems. The previous version was subject to much vandalism and recently was deleted due to copyright infringement. I agree, no article would have been better than the gibberish that graced this page earlier today. I hope someone with some knowledge (and sources) can write a NPOV article about him, but I wouldn't hold my breath. In the meantime, I have added the  tag. -HumanZoom 19:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I couldn't leave well enough alone, lol. I went ahead and added a couple of links, a reference, a picture, and the musician template for background information. Hopefully, this will get the article started in the right direction. -HumanZoom 19:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great stuff, Zoom, thanks! Chairman Sharif 19:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Read the bottom

message: Well I didn't have a problem with this article. But there is one problem that I did see...um what year was he really born on. It's written as 1970 and then under his picture it's written as 1971. But other than that this was some good writing and even though I don't really know about this guy very much my boyfriend does and it's really hard to make judgements on this fellow but I know that middle school girls and even high school girls did look a lot older at that time. I was one of them. And it's a shame that, from what I read, it doesn't look very fucking good like he got a fair trial. But to those who did down play this article I don't think that the writter was trying to make him look bad at all. He was telling his story and in my opinion I thought it was very educational for my Mexican community. He tried to get out but like always jealousy gets the best of every situation. Women can be very vindictive and envious especially if you are doing better than them. But those girls and their mothers if they did put them up to it, will get their karma if they were lying. It always come back 3 folds. Mikkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikkey76 (talk • contribs) 
jenn♥-well and there were also saying that the 14 yr. old qirl(s) wanted SPM to touch them as well. But when he did, they pressed charqes on him. But he never said anything  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.54.143 (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: More Comments

message: Don't get me wrong I like SPM and I do believe that he is unjustly in prison, not the little girl's fault but due to Coy's extended family that is getting revenge on him for not sharing in his success, but Wikipedia is not a discussion board it is an online information source so unless we have relevent verifiable info to add on this article, let's keep the Free SPM quotes off this website and talk about it elsewhere. 70.132.144.198 (talk) 03:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's Get On Subject 

message: I didn't see any problem with it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs) 10:28, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Got deleted accidentally during page cleanup. It's been restored now. Nar Matteru (talk) 11:52, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was his picture taken off? 

message: Theres no reason to start this artice with "...is a rapper and convicted child molester." I think its completely inappropriate. When I search rappers such as Zro i don't see the article beginning with "Zro is a rapper and convicted drug drealer." When i look up T.I. i don't see the introduction starting off as "T.I. is an american rapper and a 7 time felon." Now i am not AT ALL against adding information about his conviction but I'm saying theres no need for it in the introduction, just as thats not included on other rapper's wiki pages it shouldn't be included here. Also, this whole article is very bias and highly suggest that SPM did in fact commit the crime when no one really knows but himself. I'm against bias reporting wether it be "SPM didn't commit the crime free SPM!!!" or it be an entire article that sounds like something the little girls lawyer came up wtih. Simply give non bias facts and let people who read it decide for themselves if they think he is or is not guilty of the crime.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielg77017 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How so? Only two paragraphs mentions the allogations, and the main one only mentions the nessesary facts, what he was on trial for, the circumstances, conviction and sentence. As for the article head, this is stated in numerous articles of Convicted child molesters, see: Category:Convicted American child molesters.
Category:Date of birth missing (living people) Sephiroth storm (talk) 02:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of the 31 individuals categorized in :Category:Convicted American child molesters, 24 of them (Tony Alamo, Arthur Leigh Allen, Nathaniel Bar-Jonah, James Bevel, Walter H. Breen, David Carpenter, Frank Collin, John Couey, John Wayne Gacy, Daniel Carleton Gajdusek, Philip Giordano, Richard Goldberg, Mel Hall, Debra Lafave, Baruch Lanner, Richard R. Lavigne, Carl Panzram, Gerald Parker, Jefferson Poland, James Porter, Artimus Pyle, Barry Ryan, Victor Salva, Jon Schillaci) do not use the term child molester. In American English, child molester is almost exclusively used as a pejorative term. Derogatory descriptions violate the basic principles of neutrality, and have no place in an encyclopedia; especially not in a biography of a living person. It is not our position to express approval or disapproval of any subject-matter. See WP:MORALIZE.   — C M B J   18:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Many of them also use other terms to describe the individuals, including "convicted child sex offender", "convicted American child molester", "convicted American serial killer and child molester", "marred by a criminal conviction for child sexual abuse", "convicted sex offender", and so on. I am sure that if I were to look at :Category:Convicted sex offenders, you would see the same trend. The openings are not the same because there is no corroboration between them. I can see where the concern lies, but consider that child sex offender is a legal term, and many times it is appropriate to use them. The same can be said for Serial Killer, rapist, or a dictator (See: Hitler, which is used as an example of NPOV). I will however open a discussion on WP:BLPN. Sephiroth storm (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: Most everything bolded in the article seems to subtly defame Coy since it highlights negative facts. Suggesting removal of unneeded boldings to maintain unbiased article.
71.54.96.211 (talk) 23:17, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolding 

message: Carlos Coy was not born on November 5th. On his album entitled " Never change" track 3, "Habitual Criminal" he says he is a Libra born in October. Oh and SPM is not dead, that rumor has been around since i can remember: since before he came out with the album "When Devils Strike" written in prison.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.113.45.138 (talk) 03:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reference? Sephiroth storm (talk) 03:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPM's Birthday 

message: In the song "Hillwood" SPM says "The year was 7-0 October the 5th, I've done did my 9 months now my life take a shift...", so his birthday is October 5, 1970.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.146.123 (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for commenting here before inserting it into the article. Unfortunately, our policies require Reliable sources, we need something in print by a third part source. Welcome to Wikipedia! Sephiroth storm (talk) 21:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Birthday 

message: age and name: SPM Freddy Avila 22 yrs old
The Real Story of Carlos Coy By: Shadow Ramirez 
Current mood:Framed
If you don't know.. the real story.. then don't act like you know.
Carlos Coy aka SPM... was framed. The mother of the nine year old, is
the wife of Carlos's best friend for life Billy Stout. Billy and his
wife Maribel, are jr. high school sweethearts.. so Carlos has known
both of them for ever... like since he was poor and a basically a
neighborhood thug. Billy was his crime partner.... Billy got locked up
a long time ago.. and Carlos made the mistake of having an one night
fling with Maribel... while Billy was in jail. Carlos always regretted
giving in to this temptation and vowed never to tell Billy of his wrong
doing... Maribel held this over Carlos's head for many years.... well
Carlos became SPM and struck it rich. Maribel was trying to blackmail
Carlos ... telling him that if he didn't give her some money she would
tell Billy of the affair they had... Carlos was and is not the type to
take to threats... so he ignored Maribel... months before the
accusation that he had sexually assaulted her daughter.. Maribel... had
made it clear to Carlos that she was planning to ruin his life someway,
somehow. Labor day 2001.. Carlos's wife allowed Maribel's 9 yr. old
daughter to spend the night.. you know have a sleep over with her and
Carlos's 5 year old dauhgter Carlie Amor Coy. ( that to me doesn't even
make sense.. a 9 yr. old, hanging with a 5 yr. old.. anyway..)This, in
my opinion, was the opportunity Maribel needed to frame Carlos. 10 days
after that night. Maribel claimes that her daughter told her that
Carlos had touched her the night she stayed at Carlie's house. (I have
to mention that at 2 in the morning of that night, Maribel's daughter
complained of a stomach ache and Carlos took the little girl home... he
even got off the car and ate menudo with the rest of her family before
going back home.) ...Anyway, Maribel, after 10 days had passed, took
her daughter to CPS.. but they told her that because it had been over a
week since this alledgedly happened, and without any physical evidence,
that there wasn't much they could do. So she told the CPS investigator,
that Carlos had fathered a child with a 14 yr old, when he was 22. Now
that was true... but what they don't tell you is... the mother of that
child was a 14 yr. old posing as an 18 yr. old so she could strip for a
living... and that is where Carlos had met her..... so he was
definately under the impression that she was of age... it wasn't until
after she had his child that Carlos found out her real age.... because
she wanted child support ... which Carlos gave her and continues to
give her till this day. The investigator opened a can of worms... when
she began investigating this matter.... Carlos was a target for any
girl who wanted to gold dig. So when the investigator... was reaching
more women willing to come forward..(quick money on thier minds...)
telling stories of Carlos having sex with them when they were under
age...... that's when they charged him with his crime... that's the
real story....believe it or not....I'll let you decide..... holla
SHADOW RAMIREZ aka TWINN.... Yes, I was there in the court room
everyday until they considered me a "character witness" which was the
last two days of the trial... I was also there for the sentencing,
yes... I was also his best friend and partner in music.... I was his
..1 producer, which meant I almost went everywhere he did for at least
5 years straight since '97.. also I . or I should say ...we all grew up
in the same hood.. "we" meaning... Carlos , Billy, Maribel, my brother
Grimm , and I... this all goes way back... back before Carlos became
S.P.M. look, Carlos was no saint... I know that , but he didn't do what
they put him behind bars for.... 45 yrs.... come on.. murderes, &
cocaine dealers do less time... they wanted to burry him alive... he
was getting to strong of an infleunce for Mexicanos... period.. this
was there opportunity to shut him up permanantly.... I wouldn't count
him out... as long as he is breathing... he has a chance to get out of
this situation... he was the luckiest f@cker I know...... and anyone
who knew him, would tell you that's so true. 
By: Shadow Ramirez
This is the only source i have if its valid could someone add this to the article
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=442606115&blogId=472085400  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.3.192.204 (talk) 15:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: market st is taken over cv 

message: According to http://168.51.178.33/webapp/TDCJ/InmateDetails.jsp?sidnumber=04236244 he has been moved to the Allred Unit
Purpalert (talk) 06:16, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right. He's in Allred. Lemme update the information. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Apparent Relocation

message: I was informed by a TDCJ official that Coy is NOT able to continue to record music in prison as erroneously stated here. Either Coy is doing it and getting away with it or wikipedia is wrong.
173.219.9.106 (talk) 17:14, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: It appears as if he has released 2 new albums since he has been incarcerated. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 173.219.9.106, 24 July 2011 

message: please put information on south park mexican's latest c.d.: the son of norma 
65.130.108.164 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: as you have not requested a specific change.If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2014 

message: That is, of course, true, but that isn’t what he’s notable for. I do think the case should be mentioned in the opening section, but I don’t know that mentioning his felony in the first sentence is relevant. —Wiki Wikardo 21:20, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Convicted felon'' in lede? 

message: He just released Son Of Norma Sept. 30, 2014 and heard to be working on another called Visionary.
50.245.152.109 (talk) 00:04, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:19, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 27 March 2015 

message: there are testimonies on SPM Aftermath that show both sides
read the Never ending letters (part a - c) http://www.spmaftermath.com/2014/05/spm-responds-part-13a.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreedomxSPM (talk • contribs) 00:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  why no post of how the girl lied?  

message: Update Carlos Address   
Carlos Coy #1110642
Ramsey 1
1100 fm 655
Rosharon TX, 77583  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BD57:8DF0:78A2:A976:E988:3611 (talk) 01:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Adress  

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The rapper has released a new album titled Forty Eight which has peaked number 92 on Billboard's Top Current Albums chart  and 25 on the Billboard Indie chart . 108.17.18.29 (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:00, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2018 

message: Why you missing major parts where the 9 year old girl that accused him of sexually harassing her later spoke out saying that it was all a lie. Her main made her say that to try and get money off him. Or that the girl he got pregnant that was a minor was a a stripper he met in a strip club so hella faded in a strip club surrounded by naked gold diggers it’s safe to say she didn’t look whatever age they told the public or else it would have been noticeable right away and some had every right to sue that strip club for everything they have as they were the ones breaking the law hiring a minor. And how tf did SPM get 45years wen its well known R Kelly, Jay-z, Diddy, were all fuçķin minors like Aaliyah, Foxy Brow, Beyoncé wen they were 15,16 foxy said J took her virginity Diddy got usher & biever wen they were lil boys and let not 4get about Akon that did the same as SPM met a girl in a club smashed her & not only was she a minor but a pastors daughter. Yet none of them got 45yrs time like SPM now thats what we call Black Privilege for that @$$💯 especially since der frequencies r so low they are owned and used to make money for der masters but SPM was a real danger to social elites cuz he didn’t sell his soul or need a record label that owns u to blow up. He started his own company built it from the ground up Dopehouse records he started getting too big & influential in the Hispanic community without the help of record labels so they had no say or control and that made him dangerous to the labels that control the narrative & message they allow ppl in the music industry that are blowing up to put out. SPM wasn’t into them fruity pebble homies smashing homies rituals like ur idols are. He was self made paving the way for Master P and Tech N9ne who also did it on der own but 1st they needed to make an example out of SPM finding a way to turn this legend’s fans against him and they tried hard eventually only getting charged for having a baby with a girl that was a minor wen they met (not wen he got arrested) he was arrested years later but after the 9 year old girl that accused SPM of sexual assault later came out telling the public it was a lie that her mom made her say that to get money out of SPM all they had left was the baby he had with a stripper he met at a strip club & boom 45years wen all ☝🏻 those that did worse were being idolised but idiotic ignorant ppl when murderers child sex traffickers and real rapists don’t even get half that prison time sentenced. Now that’s WILD AF too me
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:2183:eda0:a409:fcaa:4f0:a346 (talk • contribs) 11:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2024 anonymous reader's comments