Talk:List of Flemish painters

message: Hi, back in May I attempted to rearrange this article without the tussenvoegsel and, after much searching, found that Wiki policy at the time was to sort with it. Therefore, I removed my changes. It seems that now most of the names (such as in the :Category:Flemish painters) are ordered in the way I attempted, but not here. Now, I realise that this is about Flemish painters, and the Flemish practise is to use the "Van" in many instances. However, that is not the case in library sorting. The entry for—to use one of many examples—Rogier van der Weyden in the Stadsbibliotheek Antwerpen (Antwerp library) lists him as "Weyden, van der, Rogier". All major art history indices (such as the Getty Union List and Bibliography of the History of Art) use similar sorting patterns. Therefore, would anyone be opposed to reordering the names here so that we can shorten the "V" section a bit and make it consistent with other pages? I assume that Jan van Eyck and Van der Weyden are the only two that are known well-enough to people who might not think to look in the next logical place, and might cause some confusion. --Stomme 16:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, here's a somewhat belated response from someone who is not Belgian. The community consensus (reached during years of spats on North-South sorting issues here and most notably, Wikimedia Commons) is that Belgium is about to be annexed by the Netherlands, in which case Dutch sorting will become the law around here. No, just kidding  - everyone knows that the Netherlands will be merged into Belgium in 2025. The Commons consensus on Dutch name sorting for "Southern Netherlanders" is that Belgian sorting with the "tussenvoegsel" only started with the secession from the Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1830, so we are free to use Dutch sorting for people born in what is today Belgium, up to 1830 when Belgium split off and became its own country. In terms of artists, it depends on the dates of their fame in art, so born as early as any time after 1800 could possibly qualify for Belgian spelling and sorting. Hope it helps. Jane (talk) 11:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: For byspell, an name bearing Antwerp anext it - is it showing the birthpalce or the known town the said Flemish artists was known to live or work out of? I have got the feeling it misleading seems like their birthplaces?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.71.1.254 (talk) 15:23, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anent the namelist - do the townnames indicate birthpalce or known workplace? 

message: Hi, I remark that there are quite a few names here that concern people not born in Flanders proper, both in the restricted sense of the county of Flanders or in the larger sense of being culturally linked with Flanders, languages and history.
While there is a case that can be made for this, shouldn't it be explicited in the article ? Why for example, is the Walloon Lambert Lombard considered as a Flemish painter ? Is it in the artistic sense ? Political ? Cultural ? Another case is François-Joseph Navez, born in Charleroi in the late 18 century, why is he considered a Flemish painter here ?
To be clear, I think there is an establish tendency to consider people form the "Southern Netherlands" (roughly the Belgium of today + Northern France) to be "Flemish" in arts regardless of if they actually were considered Flemish in their times or could be by today's standard (curiously the same is true of Walloon in the military field). But regardless, shouldn't something be done to explain what Flemish means in that context and how it came to be that way ? Corbalte (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What defines a Flemish painter ? 

message: Heuvel, Antoon van den (Gent, c. 1600 – Gent, 1677) is listed as born in the 17th century. Maybe matters little, but 1600 is the last year of the 16th century. 1601 is the 1st year of the 17th century 2601:204:D401:F710:5131:4DCB:98C4:913F (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  century of birth 

message: Painter noted for frontispieces. 2A00:23C7:2B13:9001:C599:16AB:8915:7F65 (talk) 20:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about female Flemish painters like Levia van Kales?