Talk:Kyokushin/Archive 1

message: Oyama killed people in self defence - really? And if so, it does not have much to do with the effectiveness of the style. I find the text just a tiny bit biassed. Habj 17:57, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oyama killed in self defence? 

message: There is no one hit-one kill punch! This refers to the fighting method and strategy and not to a specific technique. Ending a fight with a single strike is desired in most martial arts, not necessarily killing the opponent. For that matter, killing someone with a single strike is something anyone can do (think neck), a martial artist just has more options and can do it easier. It has nothing to do with skill, unless it is achieved by rapturing one's liver with a 3-inch punch in the middle of a fight or something similar. Fighting a huge animal (even if it is drugged, as is claimed by some) and killing it or breaking its horns with your bare hands is a demonstration of courage and skill.
--62.254.128.4 03:13, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  No one-hit-kill punch 

message: For the self Defense, and the one hit, one kill punch.  Oyama has killed several people with his bare hands, and has
killed bulls with the, one hit one kill punch.  Proved beyond reasonable doubt this martial art
can teach you how to kill people, and is effective in combat.  It showed Oyama bptj survived, and Oyama 
has successfully used this legendary punch.  It's not easy, as most regular
people will break their hands attempting such a dangerious manuever, it is not
recommanded most people try it.  For historical purposes, this manuever has
been associated with Oyama.  As well as other moves Oyama has demonstrated his
skill in such as, chopping off the tops off beer bottles, and breaking ice.  --Masssiveego 05:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to the above critism 

message: I thought this guys citizenship was Korean and he lived in Japan. So he is not a Korean-Japanese. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.23.83.100 (talk • contribs) 06:14, 12 June 2005.
He was naturalized as a Japanese citizen. Feigenbaum 07:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He travelled all over the world during the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. What kind of passport did he carry with him? -- Toytoy 18:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: I see that 137.132.3.11 made quite a large contribution, but what is "Cyberdojo home page" doing in there? MarSch 15:45, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberdojo 

message: Logo seems to be there now, however the subscript isn't completely visible. Intinn 09:37, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo(2) 

message: Sorry, but I really doubt this style has practitioners in the numbers that are wildly speculated on in the article.  I've never even heard of the style before today, which suggests to me that the "hundreds of thousands" or "millions" is way off.
Yeah, I also have issues with the neutrality of the article.  It is very clear from reading that the author was not only a practitioner but was of the opinion that Kyokushin is superior to other styles. 207.161.43.160 01:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you count the number of practitioners claimed by all the organizations with "Kyokushin" in their name, plus all of the "offshoot" organizations, it probably is in the hundreds of thousands.  I myself doubt the "millions" number, unless it includes everyone in the world who has ever practiced full contact karate, even if just for a short time, since 1954.  This article doesn't receive edits or inputs very often.  What it has now has been added little by little over about two years time by what appears to be many different editors.  Some of them do better than others at writing in NPOV.  If you see something wrong, please correct it.  The article could really use more input.  Cla68 17:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh really? 

message: I have added a list of the northern katas, is it appropriate to make them dead links for now in the hope that someone will fill in instructions on the katas later?
--24.195.60.53 13:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some Wikipedia community contributors don't like dead links in articles, but I don't think it's a big deal unless the article is being submitted for "featured article" status.  It's great to see people contributing to and improving this article as time goes by. Cla68 15:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kata 

message: There's a certain Wikipedia contributor who appears dedicated to reminding everyone that Mas Oyama is a Korean by birth.  The thing that he (or she) needs to remember, is that Mas lived most of his life in Japan, speaking the Japanese language, leading a Japanese organization with more than 90% Japanese members, and passed-away in Japan at the end of his life.  His life and his karate style is a Japanese story, whether everyone accepts it or not.  It's appropriate to mention that Mas Oyama was born in Korea with a Korean name originally.  However, it's just as appropriate to write about his life as a member of Japanese society, which means using his Japanese name and nationality as his primary identifier.  As far as I know, Mas Oyama went to his deathbed (in Japan) speaking Japanese to his Japanese disciples without repudiating his Japanese heritage and history.  Revisionist or POV history does both his legacy, and his follower's legacy a disservice, and, in my opinion is both arrogant, myopic, juvenile, and inappropriate.  If you don't agree, please state your case here and please sign-off with a user name instead of an anonymous IP address.  Any questions? Cla68 04:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mas Oyama vs his original Korean name

message: You placed Bobby Lowe under "Notable Kyokushin practitioners (former or current)"? He died long before the establishment of Mas Oyama's career! -- Toytoy 18:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bobby Lowe? 

message: Creating a category for Kyokushin Offshoots (Daido Juku, Seido Kaikan, Shidokan, etc.) would be a good idea. Hermeneus (user/talk) 07:45, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for Kyokushin Offshoots 

message: This article could really use more images.  If anyone who visits this article has some pictures of Kyokushin students training or participating in a tournament, please consider uploading and adding them to the article.  If it's a picture that you took, then you can freely upload it.  If it's a picture from your school or association's website, then you need to get clear permssion from your organization to upload it.  If you're not greatly experienced with how the image policy and technical process works for Wikipedia, leave me a note on my talk page or here and I'll help you out. Cla68 01:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Kyokushinkai karate Mas Oyama style must has developed over the year.Front facing,closed distance,stand up,semi-round house kick,dont pull back punches,low kicks and a lot of knees looks more Muaythai than typical Karate.He did go to Thailand,did not he? 1950's? Please give note.--203.113.34.11 19:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contribution 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Kyokushinkai.gif

message: Kyokushin is not a contact sport in most countries. It seems to have become one in the US but that's visibly typical of the US where the spiritual aspects of the training are almost completely lost.
31/07/2015 - I disagree with this comment above.  The founder of the style Oyama encouraged the full contact apect of this style, and encouraged all students to partake in full contact training.
As a student of kyokushin in the UK, and having met students from all around the world, I can say that most of the people I know from various different countries all know that Kyokushin is a style of full contact karate (without face blows) and the training will be physical and hard accordingly.  This is why most students of Kyokushin have chosen this particular style.
82.10.39.127 (talk) 14:25, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: A so desku ka. As long as you have good references for your information, please feel free to add your views to the article. Cla68 17:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccuracies

message: This opening statement:
 A very practical method of self defense, Kyokushin is deeply rooted in the philosophies of self-improvement, discipline and hard training.
The front part A very practical method of self defense, is drawing a conclusion rather than putting forth a citable reference of information. Especially since the word 'very' is put in for emphasis. It is inappropriate for wikipedia articles.
It should be ammendedRCHM 01:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true, edited, better? --Nate1481( t/c) 09:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: conclusion drawn?

message: I've removed a section in "Kyokushin Today" for the simple reason that this could be argued vehemently by many of the broken Kyokushin organizations. The previous writer, definitively from IKO1 gave his personal and biased opinion on the matter with his own reflection which is not a Wikipedia way of informing the reader.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.89.230 (talk) 14:47, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: KYOKUSHIN TODAY

message: Would it be permissible if I added some of the various kyokushin factions (dojo affiliations) that exist (ie IKO & IFK)?--Bacturin (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dojo affiliation

message: Does any other martial arts page have a "hardness" entry in the infobox? I get that we're proud of it, but it seems like an unnecessary addition to the box when a few other items might be missing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.60.220 (talk) 11:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hardness" 

message: it appears to me that someone from the Kyokushin organization has target karate style that branched off of kyokushin for not meeting notability guidelines.  which is pure bs.  if the styles branching off from kyokushin doe meet notability standards, then kyokushin does not either.  looks like a marketing ploy to me, and wikipedia is not suppose to be a marketing tool, rather an informational tool.  shidokan,  ahshihara, seido juku and enshin, all breakoffs of kyokushin have been target for deletion because of notability.  Pure bs.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.171.122 (talk) 15:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  notability