Talk:Park Slope Food Coop

message: I removed the sub-section on diversity.  While diversity, in the identity politics sense, is very much celebrated by some at the co-op - the co-op itself is not any more or less diverse than Brooklyn as a whole.  Outside of mentioning the co-op is open to everyone, a whole subsection is not required.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.127.98.2 (talk) 15:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The subsection does not refer to the diversity of the coop itself but about the coop's efforts to promote diversity. The coop has a diversity committee (whose members receive workslot credit) which works in this area and proposes programs to enhance diversity at the coop. Hopefully someone with better knowledge about the committee's work will edit that subsection. Dave Golland (talk) 00:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

text: The purpose of this page is to discuss changes to the main page. Dave Golland (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Diversity

message: The PSFC emerged from a predecessor organization, the Mongoose, 1970-3, a left wing community organization, a left over of the New Left. Many Mongoose members were also active in group therapy and addictions treatment centers in the area. The Co op was one of the projects of the Mongoose, and in fact was all that survived it! This should be recorded in the history section of the main article.............
Peter Myers  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.73.246.168 (talk) 01:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reference? Dave Golland (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

text: That's very cool! But can you refer to any published documents referring to the Mongoose as a predecessor organization (online or in print)? Dave Golland (talk) 16:24, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I've consulted with the CEO of the coop and he confirmed the existence of the Mongoose and that the coop initially rented space there, but said that the two organizations were always distinct. I'll add to the history section. Dave Golland (talk) 15:13, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Predecessor organization

message: This organization has been the subject of criticism and satire in the city and neighborhood press, as well as in novels by local novelists.  The unusual requirement that every member put in work, which is justified by an official ideology of cooperation, etc., has often been criticized as being cultist in origin and result.  Overall, the article needs to have a section on The Dark Side of PSFC.
Cognoscente18 (talk) 03:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: One could write a section on press criticism of the PSFC, but it would have to follow NPOV. The notion that the work requirement is unusual and part of a "dark side" is an opinion. Dave Golland (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: Cognoscente18: I am assuming good faith on your part, so I'd like to explain why I reverted your edit on this topic in the hope that you will assume good faith on mine. I reverted your edit because adding "it is said" prejudices the statement into POV by implying that the writers of the policy (i.e. the Coop General Meeting and General Coordinators) are--or the Wikipedia entry is--disingenuous. The sentence as written describes the statement of the reason for the policy, not whether or not everyone agrees with its validity. Dave Golland (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Household membership requirement: "It is Said"

message: I just saw the COI tag. As explained above ("Heated"), $7.70 value does not constitute a conflict of interest. I was editing this page before receiving that credit and will be editing this page after I stop receiving it. If we are to ban all members of the Coop from editing this page because they receive workslot credit from the Coop, then that is discrimination against Coop members. Should I be banned from editing the Journey page because I am a fan of Journey?
I will not remove the tag myself. I call upon every other editor of this page to read it yourself, see if a conflict of interest actually exists (or is being claimed by another editor in an attempt to squelch a different opinion), and remove the tag.
Here's another point. As I receive my one annual workslot credit in January, and as I will be resigning from the Coop in June, I will not be collecting a workslot credit for 2012 and so am not currently receiving any compensation from the Coop, in-kind or otherwise. So I am just like any other Coop member who knows about the Coop and might contribute to this page. Dave Golland (talk) 20:19, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: One work slot credit a year is worth dramatically more than $7.70. That's 2 hours and 45 minute of your time, bought and paid for. I don't know what the going rate is for whatever you do for a living, but I'm pretty confident it's over minimum wage. If Journey paid you to edit the page on Journey, you shouldn't be revert warring over it. Hipocrite (talk) 23:46, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be removing the conflict of interest template from the article as I'm not seeing much to be concerned about, but I would strongly encourage anyone editing on behalf of the coop to be familiar with Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy. Changing minor details is generally not a problem, but any larger changes (especially from an editor who is being somehow compensated) should be brought to the talk page for discussion first. Gobōnobo + c 01:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: COI

message: I am going to assume good faith on the part of ISS246 and Hipocrite. Having addressed the issue of COI, I'd like us to continue the discussion on the merits. Please limit any continued questions about COI to the above section.
Let me also add that despite the COI accusation, it is a pleasure to finally have other editors interested in this entry.
Generally speaking, the reason I am looking for simplicity is that the proposal to boycott Israeli products does not define the coop, or even the coop's political action. The more details included, the greater the danger that it will wrongly overwhelm the page. Many of those details would be quite appropriate on the BDS page, because this was a much more important chapter in the story of BDS than it was in the story of the coop. Even the news articles pointed out that many members of the coop seemed apathetic when it came to BDS. Some evidence of this is that while attendance at this week's GM was unprecedented, it still totalled only about 10% of the membership.
Title: I maintain that as this is not a news article about the meeting but a section of an encyclopedia entry. The title of this section should not be "of the moment" but should be something that can last years (or at least months) after the current passions have faded. In the context of a previous section being titled "Existing boycotts," this title need not be overly negative, but I agree that it should not be confusing or lead anyone to assume that the coop is boycotting, or has ever boycotted, Israeli products. The original title was "falsely reported boycott of Israeli products." I would recommend "Proposed boycott of Israeli products" or "Controversy over proposed boycott of Israeli products."
Heated: Again, the issue of the passions of the moment, and news reporting vs. encyclopaedic style. How important is it this week that the meeting was heated (which my sources still maintain it was not)? Perhaps very important. But how important will it be months from now? For an answer, we should look to the existing boycotts. The Flaum boycott discussion (two years ago) grew heated at times. But all that's important now is the fact that the boycott was approved. But in the interest of compromise I suggest we keep "heated" for now but remain open to dropping it in the not-too-distant future.
Date: The GM is always held on the last Tuesday of the month unless changed in advance. As the exact dates of the GMs for the Coke and Flaum boycotts and the July 2011 discussion of the possible Israeli boycott are not listed, the importance of the date of Tuesday's GM will fade very fast.
Turnout and location: Here too I think there is room for me to compromise. The turnout was unprecedented and the location was changed in expectation of the turnout. But let's keep it simple.
How about this for the second paragraph:
"For three years members of the coop expressed their opinions in the Gazette regarding a potential boycott of Israel, and the July 2011 General Meeting discussed holding a coop-wide referendum on joining the BDS movement, with no action taken. The March 2012 GM, which featured an unprecedented turnout requiring a significantly larger location, considered and rejected a proposal to hold such a referendum after a heated discussion."
Dave Golland (talk) 22:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the section on the proposed boycott is the right length now. It accurately conveys the issue at hand. It stirred a great deal of interest as reflected in the large turnout. Iss246 (talk) 04:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I prefer that there be greater accuracy in reporting. If the date is March 27, then just saying March is vague. If the meeting was unprecedented because almost 1700 people showed up when the average meeting has fewer than 300 members attend, that would explain why the meeting is unprecedented. A meeting could be unprecedented for many reasons (e.g., all the employees quit en masse). It is better explain that the meeting was unprecedented because the attendance was large that the venue had to be shifted to a large auditorium.Iss246 (talk) 14:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no rule in Wikipedia that requires dates to be uniformly formatted throughout an article. That said, I don't see how specifying the exact date of this meeting contributes much to readers' understanding of the event. The nearly 1700 members who attended though, is a detail that provides additional context and I see no reason why it should be excluded. Gobōnobo + c 17:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the BDS Paragraphs 

message: I agree with Gobonobo that using the negative is not a proper way to begin a section title, but I agree with Iss246 that the title needs to be more clear. I can't think of a better alternative than either. The original title, "falsely reported boycott," is insufficient because it refers to the first paragraph only, not the second. Dave Golland (talk) 02:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not fond of the section title "No boycott of products made in Israel" as it seems awkward to me. I propose either changing it to "Proposed boycott of products made in Israel" or changing it to "Products made in Israel" and adjusting the subsections so as not to mislead any casual readers (either by renaming or shifting those subsections around). Gobōnobo + c 17:54, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel section title. 

message: I have removed original research that does not comply with the NPOV policy regarding the General Coordinator's response to the alleged unfair labor practices.  If an editor would like to add it, I would recommend providing citations and maintaining an NPOV.  100.38.72.208 (talk) 21:31, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged unfair labor practices