Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive 17

message: I removed a portion of the FBI files section as it didn't seem to be particularly relevant.  Also, I have had problems locating the specific details of the alleged blackmailing attempt as described in the actual files as described in the previous text.--Lochdale 15:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FBI Files

message: I removed the reference to the Lee Hall play specifically due to the reference to the critic Rich See.  It appears that Mr.See may not exactly be a mainstream critic.  I believe the play itself is interesting enough and should be referenced but a specific quote from one person solely for the reason of beating the gay-Elvis dead horse isn't really warranted.   The actual review from See.  I also removed the section regarding a rock critique of an albulm mentioning Presley.  The albulm should stand on it's own without reference to a criticism one way or the other.--Lochdale 03:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lasting Legacy

message: I removed the references to Greenwood given the criticism of his book noted above.  I'd also question the selective quotation methodology used in this section.  For example, the fact that he grieved for days after his mother's death is not particularly unusual given that one would expect a son to grieve for his mother.  --Lochdale 23:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Devotion to his Mother

message: The reference that drug paraphenalia was removed from the death scene should either be referenced or removed entirely.  Wasn't Presley's doctor investigated after Presley's death?  Given the sheer volume of prescription drugs Presley was ingesting perhaps this section could flesh this out a little noting that he clearly had a problem with prescription narcotics?  --Lochdale 23:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy surrounding death

message: This article is convoluted, to say the least, and needs a rewrite from top to bottom. I eliminated some of the redundant material but because it is so extensive it is too much for one person to tackle. Maybe volunteers can coordinate efforts on the various sections. Duisburg Dude 14:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it needs a little clean-up but it's a much better examination of the issue than had been there previously.  Well done.  --Lochdale 02:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup notice

message: We wish to advise everyone that we (the Living Trust Network) have a copy of Elvis Presley's Last Will and Testament posted on our website, which we believe is of interest to anyone seeking information about the life of Elvis Presley. We have also discussed our desire to post a link to Elvis Presley's Last Will and Testament with Wikipedia administrators [See User talk:Livingtrust], either under "references" or "external links." Last Will and Testament of Elvis Presley. Wikipedia does not object to the link but has requested that we not put the link up ourselves since we are a commercial website. Instead, it has requested that we make it known that the Last Will and Testament is available, and anyone who wishes to add the link to the "reference" section or the "external links" section may do so. So, we solicite your help in adding the link set forth above. Thanks. Livingtrust 03:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you posted this, an anonymous IP has added your links to this and many other articles. That's not an acceptable way to get around the requirement that you have support here, so I'm removing the link for now. Wmahan. 06:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Will and Testament of Elvis Presley 

message: I removed the polio reference on Elvis military section because I felt it sounds really corny and lack feels a little over-exxagerated . It said he got vaccined while in military, but he got vaccinated in 1956 (elvis joined the amry in 1958) and recieved huge publicity. I felt iyt needs better info was needed on Elvis fight against polio.
Removed Phenominal succes and its content was moved into American Icon section because i felt its related. I just re-name "American Soldier" to "military service" and add more info about his military draft (in fact I could have gone to elvis mothers death but its getting too long). American Icon and Danger to American culture was moved into "Cultural impact", I am streamlining the article Jbrian80 08:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elvis and Polio 

message: To be honest, this section blows (vomit). Compare to other section, this one needs some help because the section was essentially some piles of trivia disguised as paragraphs. It started well then it all goes down to trivia banality.Jbrian80 05:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The section feels like a pile of trivia and some of them should be moved to trivia section. The only way to fix it to re-write. The JXL and okenfold remix are good but the rest are fragmented and really really lame. Since I dont have the time and capability to write huger chunks of words...Jbrian80 06:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is some merit to what you are saying but there is a huge kitsch industry surrounding Presley so it makes sense to note that and to give a little flavor of what it is like.  For example, the Koizumi visit to Graceland is hysterical.  Sitting Prime Minister of Japan who is nigh-obsessed with Presley (including building a statue to him and recording an albulm of his favourite Presley songs).  Still, I'm sure whatever edits you make will be grand.Lochdale 14:39, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presley in the 21st century 

message: I removed a phrase describing Little Richard as "the first African American musical artist to break through on the pop charts". This is certainly not so-- a number of African American artists (eg Louis Armstrong, the Mills Brothers) did so earlier, and even if we limit the list to rock & roll, Little Richard was preceeded in crossover hits by Fats Domino. -- Infrogmation 18:04, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems right to me.  Good edit.  Lochdale 18:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Little Richard

message: I think it's fairly evident that Presley had a litany of one night stands, affairs etc. etc.  As it stands, this current entry is little more than innuendo and conjecture.  Lochdale 21:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who says that this is "fairly evident"? Are there some direct quotes from reputable sources? As you seem to be of the opinion that hundreds of books on Elvis claim that Elvis "had a litany of one-night stands" you may be able to cite a few of these sources. I have now cited two sources in the opening of this section, which I have rewritten. But these are not "mainstream" publications on Elvis. However, I hope that this new version is satisfactory to all. Onefortyone 02:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  One Night Stands 

message: I spotted some PETA type bullcrap when I was looking through the article at the introduction. The line, 'Elvis was a vegetarian!!!' I tried to edit it out but the line was not on the editing box. Can someone remove it please?
:This line has already been removed by the AntiVandalBot. Onefortyone 15:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elvis was a Vegetarian

message: I guess I don't have any major issue with adding a link to Bill Slater's Elivs Shrine page though I'm not sure it is needed and I am a little uncomfortable with the self-promotion which appears to be a violation of Wiki rules.  Lochdale 17:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elvis Shrine Page 

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 15:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a bad idea.  The problem with the article currently is that it contains so much lurid and often times ridiculous information that it raises a credibility issue for the entire article.  Pretty much no other rock star bio is quite as infected as this one is.  The entire "Elvis cult" is so POV as to be laughable.Lochdale 18:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would anyone object if I created the proposed list page? Durova 18:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural depictions of Elvis Presley]] 

message: The problem is that User:Lochdale, who seems to be an enthusiastic Elvis fan (see this contribution or this discussion), is frequently deleting passages and paragraphs I have written from the Elvis Presley article which are not in line with his all too positive view of the singer. See, for instance, , , , . I don't think that this is O.K. I do not understand what should be wrong with my edits, as all of them are well sourced and I have quoted from mainstream biographies, publications on the rock 'n' roll era and university studies. Other users are also of the opinion that the critical section on the 'The Elvis Cult and its Critics' includes "a lot of great information " but needs some rewording. See this discussion. However, Lochdale totally deleted the whole paragraph. Here is the original text I have written:
: There is a star cult surrounding the singer uncritically feeding the fans with information they like. It has been claimed that there are over 500 US fan clubs and that they exist in every state except three: North Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming. According to the American Demographics magazine, 84% of the US people say that their lives have been touched by Elvis Presley in some way, 70% have watched a movie starring Presley, 44% have danced to one of his songs, 31% have bought an Elvis record, CD or video, 10% have visited Graceland, 9% have bought Elvis memorabilia, 9% have read a book about Presley, and 5% have seen the singer in concert.See Elvis People, A Play by Doug Grissom. Not all of these people are Elvis fans. A collection of essays entitled The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media critically examines what distinguishes fans from general audiences and explores the relationship between fans and their adored media products. Part of this volume is the article, "Fandom and Gender" which includes an examination of female fantasies of Presley.See Lisa A. Lewis, The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media (1992). To many of his female fans, the songs Presley sang "were secondary to his personality and the way he performed them," evoking the well-known emotional responses.Roger D. Blackwell, Tina and Kristina Stephan, Brands That Rock: What Business Leaders Can Learn from the World of Rock and Roll (2003), p.33. In her autobiographical article, "Sexing Elvis" (1984), Sue Wise even describes "how she came to terms with her lesbianism through a close identification with the feminine side of the King."Quoted in Kate McGowan, Year's Work in Critical and Cultural Theory Volume 5 (2002), p.199. "Elvis's 'effect' on young girls threatened those men who assumed that young girls needed to be protected both from sex in general and from its expression in questionable characters like Elvis in particular."Joel Foreman, The Other Fifties: Interrogating Midcentury American Icons (University of Illinois Press, 1996), p.136. However, there were not only female fantasies directed at the star. According to Reina Lewis and Peter Horne, "prints of Elvis Presley appeared to speak directly to the gay community."Reina Lewis and Peter Horne (eds.), Outlooks: Lesbian and Gay Sexualities and Visual Cultures (Routledge, 1996), p.20. "Perhaps it is an error of enthusiasm to freight Elvis Presley with too heavy a historical load", as, according to a public opinion poll among high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was "the nearly two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls"; yet, Presley "clearly outshines the other performers in rocknroll's first pantheon."Philip H. Ennis, The Seventh Stream: The Emergence of Rocknroll in American Popular Music (Wesleyan University Press, 1992), p.251-252. There can be no doubt that it was primarily "the recording industry, which made Elvis Presley a mythical media demigod." Donald Theall, Virtual Marshall McLuhan (2001), p.129. See also Sylvere Lotringer and Sande Cohen (eds.), French Theory in America (2001), p.114. On August 16, thousands of die-hard Elvis fans travel to Graceland every year in order to celebrate the anniversary of Presley's death.Cameron Tuttle, The Bad Girls' Guide to Open Road (1999), p.192. The ritualization of the Elvis cult is also manifested most prominently through the many live performances by Elvis impersonators.See Annalee Newitz, White Trash: Race and Class in America (1996), p.262. According to Marjorie Garber, "The phenomenon of 'Elvis impersonators,' which began long before the singer's death, is one of the most startling effects of the Elvis cult.Marjorie B. Garber, Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing and Cultural Anxiety (1997), p.369. What is more, David S. Wall has shown that many authors who are writing books and articles on Presley are part of a "worldwide Elvis industry" which has a tendency towards supporting primarily a favorable view of the star. The content of the majority of these publications can be characterized as based on gossip about gossip, only occasionally providing some new surprising details. There are not many critical, unfavorable publications on Elvis's life. An example is Albert Goldman's controversial biography, Elvis (1981), in which the author unfavorably discusses the star's weight problems, his performing costumes and his sex life. Such books are frequently disparaged and harshly attacked by Elvis fan groups. Professor Wall has pointed out that one of the strategies of the various fan clubs and appreciation societies to which the bulk of Elvis fans belong is " 'community policing' to achieve governance at a distance... These organisations have, through their membership magazines, activities and sales operations, created a powerful moral majority" endeavoring to suppress most critical voices. "With a combined membership of millions, the fans form a formidable constituency of consumer power."David S. Wall, “Policing Elvis: legal action and the shaping of post-mortem celebrity culture as contested space”, Entertainment Law, vol. 2, no. 3, 2004, 52-53. According to David Lowenthal, "Everything from Disneyland to the Holocaust Museum, ... from Elvis memorabilia to the Elgin Marbles bears the marks of the cult of heritage."David Lowenthal, The Heritage Crusade and the Spoils of History (Cambridge University Press, 1998). "When it's an exhibition of Elvis memorabilia," even Marilyn Houlberg, professor at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, "puts on the campy art-world hat and becomes a priestess of the Elvis cult."James Elkins, On the Strange Place of Religion in Contemporary Art (2004), p.53. Paul A. Cantor goes as far as to call the American Presley cult "a postmodern simulacrum of the German Hitler cult."Paul A. Cantor, "Adolf, We Hardly Knew You." In New Essays on White Noise. Edited by Frank Lentricchia (Cambridge University Press, 1991), p.53. Some fan groups even refuse to accept the fact of the star's death in 1977 (see the "Elvis lives?" section of this article). In his book Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996), Gilbert Rodman traces in detail Presley's manifestations in contemporary popular and not-so-popular culture. He draws upon the many Elvis "sightings," from Elvis's appearances at the heart of the 1992 presidential campaign to the debate over his worthiness as a subject for a postage stamp, and from Elvis's central role in furious debates about racism and the appropriation of African-American music to the world of Elvis impersonators and the importance of Graceland as a place of pilgrimage for fans and followers. The author further points out that Presley has become inseparable from many of the defining myths of US culture, enmeshed with the American Dream and the very idea of the "United States," caught up in debates about race, gender, and sexuality, and in the wars over what constitutes a national culture. This Presley cult has been much criticized. "As one reader complained: I was really surprised that you used that article about the boring Elvis cult! You would use one on McDonald's?"Rodman, Elvis After Elvis, p.75. Indeed, there are not only positive voices concerning the singer and his life. During the early years of his career, Country blues guitarist Mississippi Slim constantly criticized Elvis.Dundy, Elvis and Gladys, p.288. According to Jennifer Harrison, "Elvis faced criticism more often than appreciation" from a small town in South Memphis. Jennifer Harrison, Elvis As We Knew Him: Our Shared Life in a Small Town in South Memphis (2003), p.71. "Much criticism has been heaped on Elvis, the Colonel, and others who controlled his creative (or not so creative) output, especially during the Hollywood years."Hopkins, Elvis in Hawaii, p.58. According to Robert A. Segal, Elvis was "a consummate mamma's boy who lived his last twenty years as a recluse in a womblike, infantile world in which all of his wishes were immediately satisfied yet who deemed himself entirely normal, in fact 'all-American.'" Robert A. Segal, Theorizing About Myth (University of Massachusetts Press, 1999), p.109. When a CBS special on Presley was aired on October 3, 1977, shortly after the singer's death, it "received such harsh criticism that it is hard to imagine what the public response to Elvis's degeneration would have been if he had been alive." This special "only seemed to confirm the rumors of drug abuse."Samuel Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power (1989), p.173. In a recent study on the analogy of trash and rock 'n' roll, professor of English and drummer Steven Hamelman demonstrates that rock 'n' roll productions are often trash, that critics often trash rock 'n' roll productions, and that rock 'n' roll musicians often trash their lives. The author uses the tortured lives and premature deaths of Presley, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain in his section on "waste" in order to underscore the literal and figurative "waste" that, in his opinion, is part of rock 'n' roll.See Steven Hamelman, But is it Garbage? (paper): On Rock and Trash (University of Georgia Press, 2004). However, one of the most frequent points of criticism is the overweight and androgyny of the late Las Vegas Presley. Time Out says that, "As Elvis got fatter, his shows got glammier."Time Out at Las Vegas (2005), p.303. It has been said that the star, when he "returned to Las Vegas, heavier, in pancake makeup, wearing a white jumpsuit with an elaborate jewelled belt and cape, crooning pop songs to a microphone ... had become Liberace. Even his fans were now middle-aged matrons and blue-haired grandmothers, who praised him as a good son who loved his mother; Mother's Day became a special holiday for Elvis's fans."Marjorie Garber, Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing & Cultural Anxiety (1992), p.380 According to several modern gender studies, the singer had, like Liberace, presented "variations of the drag queen figure" in his final stages in Las Vegas, when he excessively used eye shadow, gold lamé suits and jumpsuits.See Patricia Juliana Smith, The Queer Sixties (1999), p.116. Although described as a male sex symbol, Elvis was "insistently and paradoxically read by the culture as a boy, a eunuch, or a 'woman' – anything but a man," and in his Las Vegas white "Eagle" jumpsuit, designed by costumer Bill Belew, he appeared like "a transvestite successor to Marlene Dietrich."Garber, p.368. Indeed, Elvis had been "feminized", as Joel Foreman put it.Joel Foreman, The Other Fifties: Interrogating Midcentury American Icons (University of Illinois Press, 1997), p.127. No wonder that "white drag kings tend to pick on icons like Elvis Presley." See Bonnie Zimmerman, Lesbian Histories and Cultures (1999), p. 248. Thus, "Elvis' death did occur at a time when it could only help his reputation. Just before his death, Elvis had been forgotten by society." He was chiefly "referred to as 'overweight and over-the-hill.'"Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power, p.173.
Perhaps somebody is able to rewrite this paragraph, but it should not be deleted. As a second example, here is the original section concerning the FBI files on Presley which has also been removed by User:Lochdale:
:As Presley was a very popular star, the FBI had files on him of more than 600 pages.See Thomas Fensch, The FBI Files on Elvis Presley (New Century Books, 2001). According to Thomas Fensch, the texts from the FBI reports dating from 1959 to 1981 represent a "microcosm [of Presley's] behind-the-scenes life." For instance, the FBI was interested in death threats made against the singer, the likelihood of Presley being the victim of blackmail and particularly a major extortion attempt by Laurens Johannes Griessel-Landau while the star was in the Army in Germany, complaints about his public performances, a paternity suit, the theft by larceny of an executive jet which he owned and the alleged fraud surrounding a 1955 Corvette which he owned, and similar things.
I don't understand why this passage which includes useful information has been removed. The same paragraph now reads: . The following passage was removed from the "male friendships" section: 
:Presley expert Elaine Dundy says that "Of all Elvis' new friends, Nick Adams, by background and temperament the most insecure, was also his closest."Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys, p.250. All of the singer's friendships are documented by many photographs.
This is a short quote from a mainstream biography on Presley. Dundy's book Elvis and Gladys was called by the Boston Globe "Nothing less than the best Elvis book yet" and by Kirkus Reviews "The most fine-grained Elvis bio ever." Many photographs exist showing Elvis together with his friends. See, for instance, these photographs showing Elvis together with Nick Adams: , ,. I don't know what should be wrong with these historical facts. Other users may add details relating to other friends of the singer. Where are your contributions concerning the other friends, Lochdale? As you constantly claim to have read lots of books on Elvis, it must be very easy for you to add further material to the article. But all I can see is that you are only removing paragraphs I have written instead of improving the article. 
Just three examples. In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the passages cited above, nor are they POV, as all sources are cited. Interestingly, all material I have added was removed by only one and the same user: Lochdale. All other users who recently contributed to the article did not remove passages written by me. Perhaps some unbiased third-party users can have a look at all of these paragraphs and help to solve the dispute. Onefortyone 20:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have been down this road before.  You have been banned from this article several times before for your behaviour.  Firstly, Adams died 10 years before Presley did and the Memphis Mafia continued long after Adams.  He had many friends and Adams was necessarilly his best (West, Schilling etc.).  So rather than take a POV we should leave it as is as many could claim to be Presley's best friend.  In addition, the FBI files should be referenced and that is about it.  The files NEVER say that there was a homosexual blackmail attempt and if it were such an attempt then it was the worst ever given the small dollar amount the alleged blackmailer received.  so why focus on that one issue?  We should just reference the files and leave it at that.  One need only look at the articles on John Lennon or Buddy Holly to see what a disgrace this article is. Lochdale 01:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement clearly shows that you are endeavoring to suppress well-sourced information from the Elvis Presley article. I would say that you are pushing an agenda. Significantly, you are not discussing the well-sourced content of the said paragraphs which is supported by many quotes from mainstream biographies, publications on the rock 'n' roll era, universitiy studies, etc. This speaks volumes. Onefortyone 01:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: You are repeating yourself. You know that these remarks were made on the assumption that there are only one or two sources supporting my edits, as you have falsely claimed, but this is not the case. And these remarks were made with reference to contributions concerning Elvis's sex life. We are here talking about edits on other topics which are indeed well sourced, as everybody can see. Why are you so keenly interested in removing material from the article which is not in line with your personal view? Onefortyone 01:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not repeating myself at all the quote  is just an excellent indicator of your agenda.  Pretty much all you do on Wikipedia is focus on taking extreme views about Presley and those who may or may not be tangentially connected to him.  This is an encyclopedia and is not a forum for your personal agenda.  The article in question has no place on a general bio about a long-dead rock star.  Again, look at other bios of other rock stars.  It is edits like yours that affect Wikipedia's credibility as an information source.  Lochdale 02:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you think information on Elvis and his personal friends or critical remarks on the Elvis Cult, all supported by the mainstream biographies and peer-reviewed studies should be suppressed? I see. What do you prefer? Fan stuff? Onefortyone 02:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fan stuff?  Heh, I'm not really a Presley fan.  For example, I have no problem with the drug references because they are supported by massive amounts of evidence.  All I want is a fair, accurate and non-agenda driven article.  One that looks like other Wiki articles like the ones I referenced above.  You are obsessed with this article to the article's (and I am guessing your own) detriment.  Also, peer-reviewed does not mean that they support the contention(s) mentioned in any work.  We've been down this road before.  Why not go to arbitration (again) about this issue rather than beating a dead-horse?  Lochdale 02:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One of your major edits shows that your favorite topic seems to be the "Koizumi visit to Graceland" You said on this talk page that the former Prime Minister of Japan "is nigh-obsessed with Presley (including building a statue to him and recording an albulm of his favourite Presley songs)." I have not yet seen a critical contribution from your pen which is supported by quotes from one of the mainstream biographies. Onefortyone 02:46, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what?  My understanding was that we were to avoid POV and not make every effort to inject our own theories or biases into an article.  Given your multiple bannings, it is clearly a concept you have difficulty with.  As for Kozumi, well he was the prime minster of the world's second largest economy and had made an albulm of Presley songs.  I tend not to go near the drug references as I think they are well-sourced and go to the singer's death.  Beyond that, most of the stuff you add is tawdry muck-racking at its worst.  Lochdale 02:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The best way to avoid POV is to cite sources (biographies, books and articles dealing with Elvis). I have cited my sources. Onefortyone 02:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you selectively cite sources or you use sources that suit your agenda no matter how vague or questionable.  Again, this has been pointed out to you before via bans, other admins and even your own mentor.  There are many, many books etc. on Presley.  Quoting everything and anything just so it suits your agenda is not "citing sources".  You should really take a step back from this article as it seems to be a genuine obsession for you.  Lochdale 02:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: O.K. As everybody can see, you are not willing to discuss, step by step and sentence by sentence, the content of my well-sourced contributions. This also speaks volumes. Onefortyone 03:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paragraphs and passages removed by Lochdale

message: This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
* is banned indefinitely from editing articles which concern Elvis Presley. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Elvis#Log_of_blocks_and_bans. 
* remains on probation with respect to editing articles which concern celebrities, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Onefortyone#Onefortyone_placed_on_Probation.
For the Arbitration committee. Cowman109Talk 20:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Elvis]]