Talk:Afro–Puerto Ricans/Archive 1

message: the word "chevere" is listed here in the language catagory as coming from the african/spanish patois/creole. i thought there was a similar word in french? also i think it's used in places where there is no history of black people or slavery (mexico, chile i think). i dunno. if someone knows french or more spanish, they can confirm/deny whether this word belongs here. --66.108.113.147 02:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Words

message: Please do not dilute this excellent article by adding POV's and baised information.
First. In regard to the Mandingo merchant theory.  This article is about the proven immigration of African slaves  to Puerto Rico based on facts.  The mandingo merchant theory has never been proven to apply to Puerto Rico.  The artifacts and skeletons found at the Tibes Ceremonial Center in Ponce have not been traced to Africa.  This is not to say that the theory may be true in Mexico or other aereas, but then again some scholars believe that the Asians and the Vikings were the first to settle the New World.  Until proven beyond a doubt, history cannot be rewritten.
Second. This article is "not" about the history of the African Cheif Tarik and the indepth conquest of Spain by the Moors.  This article contains a breif explaination as to why the Spanish were more tolerant towards blacks then their European conterparts.  Whoever is interested in the indepth history of the invasion of Spain may look up Spanish History, Moors or Cheif Tarik.
Third.  Phrases such as "Great Chief", "viciously raped and sexually abused" and "(rape was rampant)" are considered POV by Wikipedia standards and unencyclopedic. Such additions  maybe considered vandalism.
An article is written on sourced and proven facts.  Unless a reliable source, such as a an official document and not someome else's webpage, be provided such additions as the  Mandingo Merchant Theory are unacceptable.   Tony the Marine 16:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Facts

message: Actually we pronounce it like a "j" (similar to an American "h"). We don't "swallow" it. It's just not true. If no one objects within a few days I am going edit that part. --Pasajero 22:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, almost the entire section on language is pure original research, and some of it patently false ("pasa" as an african word??? mondongo??? Eso es estar tripiando en ketchup, y no es Heinz!?!?!?!?) Until the material is not sourced correctly, I am removing it. Thanks!--Cerejota 00:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For example many Puerto Ricans have the habit of swallowing the "s" 

message: The title is clearly weasel worded. "Immigration" without qualifiers clearly has a benign tone. Since I do not see extensive discussion here, I would like to know why Slavery in Puerto Rico - a more correct title - redirects here. Thanks!--Cerejota 12:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Weasel words on wikipedia are, according to the page on them, "phrases such as "some people say" without sources". If Tony can supply good citations illustrating that there are more sources of African immigration to Puerto Rico than the slave trade, and ensure that the article discusses them, then I can't see any reason why the current title doesn't fit. SGGH speak! 21:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tony that "Immigration" covers both the voluntary as well as involuntary arrival of Africans to Puerto Rico, and should not be considered a "weasel word", nor should his intent be construed as trying to minimize the brutality of slavery.Pr4ever 20:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Sounds good, at least in my opinion. -凶 00:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On another note how come this article still hasn't gone trough a GAC? in my opinion the article is fairly close excludung some prose that needs cleanup, besides that the only probable issue is the need for the "Famous Puerto Ricans of African Ancestry" to be rewritten in prose. -凶 00:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|POV-title}} - Weasel worded title 

message: Or is it to early? Thanks!--Cerejota 03:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You know I have a knack for XfDs. I wouldn't worry about it. ;) But if paragraph format is considered better I have no objection. Thanks! --Cerejota 23:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Black Puerto Ricans? 

message: I see you've put this article up as a GAC - I'm not going to review it fully, seeing as I don't think I've reached that stage of Wikidom yet. However, there's no way it'll be passed with its references in the state they're currently in. Use  templates at least to get them cleaned up. Seegoon 00:38, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article review 

message: The article is extremely close to GA status but needs a bit of work before getting there. I am listing the issues that need to be sorted out before the article is passed.
1) The lead is a bit too short, and does not really summarize the entire article properly. As is stands there is only one sentence that discusses black history after the abolition of slavery. Considering roughly a third of the article is dedicated to this, the lead needs to reflect this. You should add a few more sentences here, in particular about the Spanish-American War, which isn't mentioned at all.
*Done Tony the Marine 23:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: While I don't particularly care for their music, their lifestyle habits, etc, they are extremely popular in and out of Puerto Rico, are certainly among the 10 best-known Puerto Rican entertainers today and should be in the list.  The best example is today's Agencia EFE article highlighting Calderón's upcoming visit to Madrid, at <http://www.endi.com/noticia/musica/flash!/el_abayarde_contraataca/261138> Pr4ever 19:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I reverted the addition my edit summary stated that it was in mho=my humble opinion, now I'm not saying they don't have a degree of notability but they really haven't done anything significant, on that note I also belive Otilio Warrington should be removed, there might be some other entries that I haven't noticed yet. - Caribbean~H.Q. 21:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don Omar & Tego Calderón