Talk:Išḫara

message: Regarding the statement that " (or ), oblique , the Hittite for "blood" is probably derived from the same root": this is very puzzling. Is this the same Hittite word for 'blood' as hitt. e-eš-ar (esar), Gen. esanas, related to Old Latin aser (asser), assyr 'blood' and Sanskrit ásṛk, ásṛt, Gen. asnáḥ 'blood' (Pokorny 521 ēs-ṛ(gʷ), Gen. es-n-és 'blood')?
If so, how is this root related to Pokorny 1661 sē(i)-3, -səi- : sī- and sei- : si- 'to bind, strap', which is the root referenced here, and the source, among others, of "air. soíb 'betrügerisch, verlogen' (*soi-bho-), wörtl. 'zauberisch', ablaut. síabair 'Phantom, Gespenst', síabraid 'verzaubert, verwandelt' (*sei-bh-), PN Find-abair f. = cymr. Gwen-hwyfar `Ginevra' ('weißes Gespenst'); s. Vendryès RC 46, 263 ff." (from Pokorny 1661)?  Pasquale 15:47, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hittite word for 'blood' 

message: I am not sure what the basis for Proto-Celtic *vindo-siabraid "white phantom" is, but the siabraid part does not look very Proto-Celtic. (Note: síabraid is, in fact, an Old Irish word, not Proto-Celtic!) The Proto-Celtic lexicon collated by the University of Wales  gives this form as *windo-seibaro- (?) "white ghost".  Pasquale 15:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  That Proto-Celtic etymology 

message: This needs work. 
Haas (1994)
unambiguously presents Ishara as an originally Hurrian love deity who rose to great prominence far beyond her original northern Syria / southern Anatolia even in pre-Hittite times. Her role as the Hittite goddess of the oath is presented as a secondary development. 
The question (not addressed by Haas) is: would this invalidate the Indo-European etymology of the name, or is this a coincidential homophony between the Hittite for "oath" and the Hurrian theomym that would have facilitated the development of her dual function? Or is the IE etymology perhaps mistaken altogether, and the Hittite term for "oath" is simply a loan from the Hurrian (but was Ishara already the goddess of the oath in Old Babylonian times then? Or why loan the name of a love goddess as the term for "oath")? I cannot answer this at present without indulging in OR. Fwiiw, it strikes me as not unlikely that the Hittite term for "blood-oath" or similar should have sounded similar to the name of the (unrelated) Hurrian goddess, which would have catapulted her to a new role by folk etymology. --dab (𒁳) 09:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hittite vs. Hurrian confusion

message: Ishara »was of considerable importance in Ebla from the mid 3rd millennium, and by the end of the 3rd millennium, she had temples in Nippur, Sippar, Kish, Harbidum, Larsa, and Urum.« Besides it was »a loanword in the Assyrian Kültepe texts from the 19th century BC«. In this case, how can it be, that this most probably semitic name should be »the earliest attestation of a word of any Indo-European language«? (Hm in fact, there are some  indo-european names in the Kültepe texts, but Ishara does not belong to these!) This chapter about the claimed indo-european etymology should be deleted; there is even not given e reference to (reputable) literature. Of course, no serious scolar would approve such a ridicule etymology. Please delete this nonsense! --178.192.242.95 (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, it should be deleted if it stay without a reliable source. I asked for citations and will wait a week and if no academic source is presented then I'll go ahead and delete the paragraph.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 01:55, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Update, after looking everywhere, no academic source on Ishara's etymology showed up. I partly re-wrote the article according to the academic sources I found.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:29, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Ishara was a deity before becoming a Hittite word. She is introduced in the article firstly as a Hittite word !. She is attested in 2400 BC in Ebla 500 years before the Hittites. I have edited the article with proper Academic sources and removed the supposed Indo-European origin which is not sourced and most importantly plain wrong considering that she was worshiped before the arriving of Indo-Europeans in the near-east. I have tried to find sources for those claims about welsh and Indo-European connection in general but found nothing but the notion by most scholars that nobody know the origin or etymology of Ishara.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:21, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits