Talk:Phosphoric acids and phosphates

message: Shouldn't this article be renamed Phosphoric acids and phosphates, to comply with the guidelines at Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Lowercase second and subsequent words in titles?
Ben 19:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been so changed.  H Padleckas (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: I have just recategorised phosphorus acid from a stub to a disambiguation page, but wondered if it should actually be a redirect to (for example) this page. My inorganic chemistry is a bit too rusty to know if "Phosphorus acid" is valid or a mis-understanding of chemical nomenclature.Que (talk) 23:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I take that back, it should probably be a disambig page, but perhaps a little more helpful to people who are not sure what they are looking for. I wouldn't know which of those entries to choose from.Que (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Phosphorus acid]] 

message: If the IUPAC name is "phosphoric acid" meaning orthophosphoric acid, then the comment that "even some chemists" call it that is totally backwards.  Or should we assume that chemists attempt to NOT comply with IUPAC nomenclature?  Both this article and the orthop. one have this surprized tone that chemists actually use the IUPAC name.  Wow!71.31.153.56 (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In many cases, chemists use common names for chemical compounds more often than IUPAC names, especially outside of formal scientific publications.  H Padleckas (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The IUPAC name 

message: I too admire the work put into this page, but have to challenge the writers in these areas, (i) in terms of referencing, pointing out that the first 3 of the 4 references are not worthy, in terms of relative importance among all publications on the subject, and in terms of their ideas relative to the preponderance of scientific opinion, to appear in any encyclopedia article (fourth reference, bravo), and likewise the same is true for the only "further reading" citation; (ii) the article skims over the fact that one most often means phosphoric acid esters when discussing "phosphates", thereby missing an opportunity to explain a basic aspect of phosphoryl group and ester importance and chemistry, and (iii) that the article does not yet address what are, ostensibly, the most important classes of phosphoric acid (phosphate) esters to human activity, mono- and diesters composed indirectly from phosphoric acid, and from organic alcohols (primarily saccharides; respectively, e.g., in sugar "phosphates" like glucose-6-phosphate, etc., and the polynucleotides of RNA and DNA)—the former critical in all biological chemistry / metabolism and cellular signaling, and the latter in biological information transfer.  (The critical enzyme and drug target class of the "kinases" are nothing other than phosphoryl group transfer catalysts producing various types of such esters.)  In omitting information/sections, the article misses an essential chemical unity of nature, vis-a-vis the role of P(III) and P(IV) oxyacid derivatives in inorganic and organic/living systems (see, for instance, Figure 3.53 in "Nucleic Acids in Chemistry and Biology," 2006, GM Blackburn, MJ Gair, LD Loakes, and DM Williams eds., 3rd Ed., Cambridge: RSC Publishing).   Prof D   98.193.10.59 (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks, but a challenge ... 

message: I am pretty sure that there is good evidence for the transient existence of HO-PO2 during the p-chem studies of some precursors and also as an intermediate in some phosphate biochemistry.  See, for example, Lowe, G.; Sproat, B. S. J. Chem. Soc., Chem. Commun. 1978, 783–
785. Cullis, P. M.; Iagrossi, A.; Rous, A. J. J. Am. Chem. Soc. 1986, 108, 7869–
7870. (I can't access those journals at this time, but I think those are relevant papers.) Thermal retro-hetero-Diels-Alder of oxsphosphinanes (6-membered ~C-C=C-C-P(O)(OH)-O~ ring) is one example reaction that is supposed to release detectable gas phase HO-PO2 plus C=C-C=C .  
Or is the current consensus that monomeric metaphosphate does not exist? AdderUser (talk) 01:32, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monomeric Metaphosphate HPO3 or HO-PO2  

message: Currently, Wikipedia has three pages Phosphoric acids and phosphates, Phosphorus acid, and Polyphosphate, about oxyacids and oxyanions of phosphorus. I feel that three is more than necessary, but I am unsure which to merge into or split among which. Please provide feedback pertaining to whether the other pages should be merged into this page, this page should be split to the other pages, or something else. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 23:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Polyphosphate is about the biological roles of phosphate, Phosphoric acids and phosphates is broader, and Phosphorus acid is broader once more. My feeling is that the current structure is reasonable, with each of the pages linked. The two articles articles with the narrower scope each appear to be independently, so I think that its reasonable to leave as is; so, opposing the merge. Klbrain (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge discussion 

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thread_title:  Move discussion in progress