Talk:Declaration on Masonic Associations

message: I believe that the Canon Law cited is inaccurate and does not pertain to Freemasonry in any way, shape or form.  I put it to you that the only grounds by which one can accertain this subjective reasoning that it is in some way linked to Freemasonry is purely on the bias and assumptional grounds that it is so.
:Can. 1374 A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or takes office in such an association is to be punished with an interdict.
A person who joins an association which plots against the Church .. this is a subjective question.  That being said we are in a catch 22 scenario where only a member of the society in question could clarify whether or not they plot against the Church; further the question is raised as to the legitimacy of their claims.  As this is negated by the question of legitimacy, then it is conclusive to say that we cannot accertain whether Freemasonry plots against the Church (assumption that this Canon Law is applied non-retroactively).
Therefore, it stands to reason that this Canon Law does not apply to Freemasonry.  To do so would go against all logic and reason.  To set things clear, I am a Freemason and a Roman Catholic, whilst my testimony as to what I have seen and heard has no purposeful application in this situation; I can safely say that it is not just on interpretive grounds that I think this Law is being misappropriated but also on evidentiary grounds. Jachin 06:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is a sourced document, and the opinions are also sourced, where's the citations?  You seem to have only inserted part of the document in the first place, and there's no indication that the opininos stated aren't just yours. MSJapan 13:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: This document is not named "Quaesitum est".  That name was taken, mistakenly in my view, from the AAS.  In the AAS, the document is clearly titled Declaratio de associationibus massonici.  Everything in the AAS is in Latin.  (As far as I know, two or three word titles in Latin are "reserved" to Papal pronouncements, and this was not a papal pronouncement).  --Kenatipo  speak! 12:44, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
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