Talk:Marija Bursać

message: This is hardly an adequate edit summary. Could you please elaborate it here? I have cited examples that appear to contradict you. :Category:Serbian people of World War II can either include Serbians (Srbijanci) or Serbs (Srbi), i.e. either people of Serbia regardless of ethnicity (such as Sinan Hasani, an Albanian, and Moša Pijade, a Jew) or Serbs regardless of origin. It is hard to justify having Hasani, Pijade and Bursać all together in this category. Surtsicna (talk) 23:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point about inconsistencies in the current system of categorisation. Perhaps the underlying issue is the system of categorisation for Yugoslavs itself? The idea that we can have Bosnia and Herzegovina people of World War II is essentially ahistorical, as Bosnia and Herzegovina had not existed as a political entity since 1929 when the banovina were brought in. Same for Serbia and until 1939, Croatia. Surely we should have :Yugoslav Serbs of World War II, :Yugoslav Jews of World War II and :Yugoslav Albanians of World War II. Thoughts? Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 23:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: With the exception of Slovenia, Yugoslav republics date from 1943, so having Bosnia and Herzegovina people of World War II is not entirely anachronistic. An issue with :Category:Yugoslav Serbs of World War II is verbosity - weren't virtually all Serbs "Yugoslav Serbs"?. The other categories in :Category:People of World War II by nationality do not appear to be based on ethnicity, with the exception of :Category:Jewish people of World War II. Curiously, many Jews are found only in nationality-based categories, i.e. not included in :Category:Jewish people of World War II. Anyway, I would be more in favour of having :Category:Yugoslavs of World War II than :Category:Yugoslav Serbs of World War II, :Category:Yugoslav Croats of World War II, etc. If the present system of categorization is to be kept, however, we do need to make it consistent. If Hasani and Pijade are Serbians, then Bursać is not, and vice versa. Surtsicna (talk) 11:35, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If nationality relates to the country (which appears to be the case), Yugoslavia was the country in WWII, whether Kingdom or Communist. I would personally prefer that it was structured as :Category:Yugoslav people of World War II, and other categorisations covered ethnicity. This would allow consistent coverage, ie Sinan Hasani would be :Category:Yugoslav people of World War II and also :Category:Kosovar Albanians. Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 13:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds perfectly reasonable. Surtsicna (talk) 13:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to everyone, apparently. Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 01:29, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hahaha, so I see! But :Category:Yugoslav Partisans is indeed a category within :Category:Yugoslav people of World War II. Surtsicna (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put :Category:Yugoslav people of World War II up for discussion here along the lines I proposed here. Cheers, Peacemaker67  (crack... thump) 11:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That categorisation is okey and, basically, it is used in the article: "Yugoslav Partisans members" + "Serbs of Bosnia and Herzegovina". As Surtsicna said, "Yugoslav Partisans members" is within "Yugoslav people of World War II". Vladimir (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization