Talk:Kelpers

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 13:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-11-6 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2009-05-25/Kelpers
Please take part openly and in good faith. Chuckarg33 (talk) 15:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The way the mediation request is formulated I would decline to participate, the mediation request is formulated to pre-determine the outcome, the request and the conduct of the originator is unnecessarily argumentative and confrontational.  Were the request to be reformulated in a manner as outlined by the wiki process I would reconsider.  Justin talk 23:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Mediation  

message: Its impolite to imply anything otherwise, as is purporting to exclude me from an entire continent because you don't like a sentence in a wikipedia article I created some time ago. At that time the quote was, I recall, supported by a Falkland source and if the term is used in a derogatory sense then what is important is the perception of the recipient of the term.  Given pervasive political correctness one can be accused of being a racist for calling a Scottish person, jock.
By direct comparison I see the Wikipedia article on nigger does not give any cite regarding why that term is widely considered to be grossly offensive in mainstream English usage.
Your argument is only that you have never heard kelper used in that way, but you are not being described as such, and anyway your opinion is WP:OR
What we have seen evidence in a talk page is that an editor from the Falklands does indeed consider this a pejorative term, and that is good enough for me. 
The call for mediation is a waste of everyone's time. --Gibnews (talk) 01:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Response

message: After reading the article and the discussion here, I believe that the article should say that the term is "considered insulting by some islanders". This is more neutral than to say that the Argentines actively use the term in a derogatory manner.
However, while this puts me largely in agreement with Chuckarg33, I do not support his approach to dispute resolution. Chuck, many steps you have taken have needlessly inflamed the dispute, especially the section entitled "WHAT HYPOCRISY!" in which you accuse editors of lying and purport to ban them from the continent of Australia. You also seem to have been pushing this dispute toward more formal processes of dispute resolution, instead of working to resolve the dispute yourself. Of the available forms of DR, I think Third Opinion is the most appropriate, which is why I'm responding to it.
Gibnews, you too should do more to de-escalate the dispute, and try to find a more neutral tone when writing article content.
My advice to all involved:
* Do not accuse other Wikipedia editors of malice ("lying" or "hypocrisy").
* Recognize that this arises from a simple difference of opinion. Do not assume that those who disagree with you do so because they are evil or xenophobic.
* When text in an article is disputed, strive to make the text more neutral, not more correct according to your worldview.
* If anyone plans to take this 3O response as evidence that you "won" the dispute, don't. Wikipedia disputes are to be resolved, not won.
rspεεr (talk) 07:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Opinion response 

message: Given the small size of this article, which serves mostly as a definition (covered already by Wiktionary), I think it would be best if the information here was added as a section to the Falkland Islander article.--MarshalN20 | Talk 14:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. Articles this size about what a term means probably do belong in WiktionaryWombat24 (talk) 05:20, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Added merge tag, there is absolutely no reason why this two sentence article should be separate. FunkMonk (talk) 09:04, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to [[Falkland Islander]]? 

message: I accidentally rolled back an edit by mistake, I intended to revert with a note that comment was originally written by an islander and I would imagine he'd be aware whether it was offensive or not. WCMemail 00:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback