Talk:Jakob Ammann

message: Since the name is spelled "Jakob Ammann" throughout (which, as far as I understand, is the correct spelling), why is the header spelled "Jacob Amman"? --Geenius at Wrok
:I reiterate this question -- only now the body is divided between "Jacob Amman" and "Jakob Ammann."  --Mr. A. 04:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not anymore. :-) --Mr. A. 02:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: I appreciate the changes made by JonHarder to the article. I also made a few changes to reflect a transition from the general [Anabaptist] movement to the specific [Swiss Brethren] group. Next, I added "1632 Mennonite" to provide context to the "Dortrecht Confession of Faith" reference. 
It's important to emphasize the schism from the general conference of Mennonites. For this reason, I believe the section title "Schism From Mennonites" is appropriate.
Next, I modified the "Infobox" to include a general date of death (abt. 1730), instead of the March 31, 1730 date; which can not be sourced. Also, I added the influence of the Dutch Mennonites. 
Finally, I modified the Death section to reflect the available information, "death prior to April 12, 1730". - ICarriere (talk) 3:14, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New changes on 7/07/12 

message: Key to understanding this article is the meaning of three somewhat related terms: the bann, shunning and excommunication. A brief description of these terms is important context. This articles uses the phrase the bann, which is not an English word (according the New Oxford American Dictionary); sources also use the Ban or the ban (off the top of my head). If there is a standard English equivalent, I propose using that.
To summarize, I believe this article can be improved by briefly defining and distinguishing these three terms and then ensuring they are used consistently throughout the article. Perhaps the dispute over discipline is put into perspective by realizing that "the ban" was a peaceful alternative to the executions practiced by the state church. ✤ JonHarder talk 13:34, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the copy edits! Your suggestion to define and standardize "the bann" (German form) is good, now that I think of it. I guess that is what copy editors are for, to help the author see his inconsistencies. :-) Another aspect in defining excommunication (and the penance that was supposed to accompany it) would be to put it into the context of a discipline (even a self-discipline, as Ammann did to himself on two occasions) and not a punishment or revenge, which I think most people assume it to be on first hearing about excommunication. The definition of penance (as used during that time) probably should accompany a definition of the ban/excommunication/shunning, since many people (including myself until recently) think of it as a synonym of repentance, which it really isn't. I would be happy if you would make the improvement. If not, I will mull over it and see if I can make something sensible. Mikeatnip (talk) 13:56, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement suggestion: clarify terminology 

message: I reverted the edit that linked Jakob Ammann to the burial in Churchtown. No historical evidence supports this. See Unser Leit, Steven Nolt's book, GAMEO, etc. There were some Ammanns that came to PA, but this findagrave thing has no known historical evidence to be the Jakob Ammann of this article. Jakob Ammann was a common name. To support the supposition that the Jakob Ammann of this article is buried at Churchtown, a clear citation is needed from a reputable source. This has been discussed above. Mikeatnip (talk) 00:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Findagrave error 

message: The picture used on the article isn't contemporanious, and was made by someone in 2012 (different from the image that people are saying is in Dutch academic sites from a decade ago), and an image isn't that needed at all.
And unlike Jesus, I don't think there isn't a general concept of what he looks like, and I'm against the idea of Wikipedia creating that, which seems to already be happening a bit, I've seen this image pop up a few times when being discussed.
It's a bit of this whole citogenesis thing, which I think most people are somewhat against, especially when an image just isn't really necessary. Dzseszika (talk) 02:06, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture/image again?