Talk:Influence of the IBM PC on the personal computer market

message: Enhanced readability and a bit of the grammar. Removed some unnecessary text which destroyed the flow of the article.Maybe other editors can improve it further.EaswarH (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I performed a general copy-edit, tightening up the article and fixing grammar and style issues. I also made two notable content edits: I changed a section about the Apple Macintosh to have a more neutral tone (while still highlighting the fact that current Macs are very strongly influenced by the IBM PC's hardware), and I moved the Sun-1 and Sun-2 computers from the general list of non-x86 systems to the "enduring legacies" paragraph of that section.  Those two architectures are direct predecessors to today's Sun-4m and Sun-4v SPARC-based systems, and the SunOS that ran on the Sun-1 lead to today's Solaris 10 (also known as SunOS 5.10). Macwhiz (talk) 03:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedit

message: The article say "Influence of the IBM-PC on the PC market". But the PC markets were non-existing then. The correct article is "Influence of the IBM-PC on the personal computer market". Even that the PC stands for "Personal Computer", it was IBM's trademark for their own personal computer. IBM could not get copyright for two letters synonym so it was needed to be more. So they copyrighted the "IBM PC". Thats why we call todays computers as PC and others like Apple's as Macintosh or just Mac's because they are two different class of personal computers. Golftheman (talk) 14:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I actually agree with you, but it would make the (already long) title awfully long. Let me think this over... Mahjongg (talk) 20:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What about "the PC's influence on the Personal Computer market", thats not that much longer, and still conveys the essence better. Mahjongg (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay done, added "IBM-" to make the point clearer. Mahjongg (talk) 23:38, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why the hyphen?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pantergraph (talk • contribs) 16:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, perhaps my knowledge of English is insufficient, (its not my first language) but according to a dictionary "the hyphen sign ('-') is used to join words to indicate that they have a combined meaning", so I assume I did it to indicate that the combination of the words "IBM" and "PC" combine to form the new meaning "IBM-PC", which is simply short-form for IBM Personal Computer but this would make an already overly long title even longer. There is no real reason for the hyphen, its unimportant, for most readers there is no true difference between "IBM-PC" and "IBM PC". Mahjongg (talk) 22:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

text: The title is wrong for another reason. The market, prior to the introduction of the IBM PC, was a microcomputer market, not a personal computer market. The distinction is important (and missing from the article) because several of the pre-IBM computers were multi-user, using (as I recall) Xenix or similar operating systems. It might be worth noting in the article that the IBM entry helped legitimize the very idea of a 'personal' computer. 71.105.211.204 (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Everythign with a microprocessor is a microcomputer. The reason IBM decided to build their own model personal computer was to join the marketplace pioneered by such entities as Apple, Radio Shack, Commodore and even Heathkit. Lots of personal computers sold before IBM joined thegame. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article topic is wrong 

message: It states:
"Before the IBM PC was introduced, the personal computer market was dominated by systems using the 6502 and Z80 8-bit microprocessors, such as the Commodore 64 and Apple II series"
IBM PC was introduced in 1981, but C64 was introduces a year later. I don't see how could C64 dominate the market. BytEfLUSh | Talk! 20:19, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I see your point, this could have been a predecessor of the C64, like the Commodore VIC-20 or maybe the Commodore PET, or any of the many other 6502 based systems at the time.Mahjongg (talk) 11:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Before the IBM PC" section 

message: Could also be an interesting history of the decline of influence.  Already in mid-1980s, the Lotus-Intel-Microsoft Expanded Memory specification did an end-run around IBM.  When the PS/2 came out in 1987, the VGA video specification, the 3½ inch diskette, and the small mouse and keyboard connectors quickly became standard across the PC industry, but ABIOS and the MCA bus did not catch on, and OS/2 conspicuously failed to supplant DOS.  From that point on, Microsoft gradually gained ascendancy, pretty much sealing the deal with the release of Windows 3.1... AnonMoos (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry to ask, I know what Micro Channel Architecture is, but what is ABIOS, the link ABIOS simply redirects to BIOS? is it perhaps "Advance BIOS"? but what does that mean? Mahjongg (talk) 00:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Some explanation on PS/2 article... AnonMoos (talk) 03:40, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Decline of influence