Talk:Bess of Hardwick

message: The statement in the article, "...but Bess eventually ended up with a descendant on the throne: Queen Elizabeth II," is true.  If you visit Queen Elizabeth's ancestry article, and look at the ancestry chart you can trace Lord William Charles Augustus Cavendish-Bentinck (number 28) back to William Cavendish, 1st Duke of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, where in his article it states he is "the grandson of Sir William Cavendish and Bess of Hardwick."
kkarma 05:58, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Citation Needed. 

message: Recently the file :File:Elizabeth Talbot, Countess of Shrewsbury from NPG.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 12:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New file [[:File:Elizabeth Talbot, Countess of Shrewsbury from NPG.jpg]] 

message: Lady Alathea Talbot was married with Thomas Howard, 21th Earl of Arundel and not with Thomas Howard, 1st Duke of Norfolk
I think there is a wrong link - somebody with more knowlegde about wikipedia should correct it...
--Atlantica0705 (talk) 10:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lady Alathea Talbot

message: and  Dougweller (talk) 17:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arbella & court 

message: The 2nd portrait, Bess of Hardwick, 1550s, seems to be the one of Queen Mary.
Just make the dark part of the portrait lighter and you'll read "Maria Regina"!
FEW, user of French Wikipedia, Sept 10, 2012  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.239.30 (talk) 14:46, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Portrait

message: I am the person who made the big changes to Bess of Hardwick's "fourth marriage" section. I was not trying to vandalize the article, or otherwise upset anyone, or take credit for anyone else's work; it is just that I did not know what I was doing. I tried to make some edits, but it was more difficult that I thought it would be.
I often use Wikipedia, but this is the first time I have ever tried to edit an article.  I have a great interest in the Tudors, which includes Queen Elizabeth's contest with Mary Stuart.  So, to find out a little more about Mary's guardians, I looked up Bess of Hardwick, and read the article.  I noticed that the grammar was quite bad, worse than any Wikipedia article I had ever read.  And "it" says that anyone can edit an article.  So I merely thought to fix the verbs, and the possessive cases, and put in periods at the ends of sentences, and start new proper sentences, and things like that.  
But then, I began to notice that it did not seem to be an encyclopedia quality article, but ran far afield from the subject, more like creative writing in its tone, including a lot of speculation and personalized adventures.  So, I just started taking out little bits and pieces, that did not seem to belong in the article, and before you know it, poof, it was a lot different.  Even though I knew I didn't know what I was doing, I think the article seemed a bit better.  
I did not mean to chop out references, or links.  So I started reading all of the Wikipedia information about how to edit, and reference articles, and almost immediately, the article was restored exactly as it had been before.  So, I copied and pasted my changes back.  (There is probably where I made my biggest mistake).  When I started to make the editorial changes, I did not think of anybody else who might have written the article, or who might be seeking to restore it; it didn't occur to me. 
And through, this, I have not been able to announce myself, communicate, or apologize, since I don't know what I am doing.  But, finally now, I have an account.  Finally, I am here on this page explaining myself.  
Let me say, that my only intention has been to improve the article.  I surely did not mean to use other's work and take credit for it as my own.  It is just that when I whittled the text down, I did not take everything out, I just edited and changed what seemed inappropriate to me, so some of it is "theirs' and some of it is mine.  I am very interested in learning how to cite references. I am quite interested in this subject and willing to read the books and do the research to make proper references to give the article credibility. 
Most of the adventures associated with Mary's movement from house to house, and her possible association with plots to escape might all be referenced under the separate article "Mary Queen of Scotts."  And the special circumstances of the "Northern Rebellion" might also be referenced in a separate article.  It hardly seems plausible to me that Bess saved the Tudor dynasty from defeat during the Northern Rebellion.  From now on, I will be more careful and try to "talk" my way through this before making changes.  With my sincere apologies to anyone that I may have offended.Grinbriar (talk) 21:18, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for that explanation, and for your efforts to tidy up the poor English. In answer to your question about references, have a look at WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:04, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Ok fine what you are saying is fair and honest to a large degree, Mary daily life in captivity is very important when we are talking about her jailors ,the article Mary Queen of scots (see Talk :Mary)is to long to add details about plots and her life, there is an article about the Northern Rebellion ,here we are only talking about Bess role in it; finally I agree with you that Bess did not save the Tudor dynasty but she played an important role, for historical fiction you could read Phillipia Gregory "The other queen",so I propose we work together either on this article or an article about Mary queen of scots in captivity that could be created see(Mary Talk),ok I'm sorry if I hurt anybody with my comments but the honesty of Grinbiar changed everything.Tasmn  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tasmn (talk • contribs) 05:01, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to Bess's Fourth Marriage 

message: I would like to add some notes here about QueenMarieStuart's edits to my text.  I do not necessarily want to change it back, but I would like to give some thoughts and see if there are any comments, since I am new at this.  I will sign off for now to collect my thoughts to put here later.Grinbriar (talk) 19:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  changes to text 30 September 2013 by QueenMarieStuart and possible point of view problem 

message: The only citation for the coat of arms jpg is a link to a Pinterest search result. Surely we could do better? Matuko 14:05, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinterest external link 

message: Who is Dugdale?  There is no explanation or documentation for this name anywhere, in the article.  It sounds like it belongs to an early biographer. 2600:1012:B05F:1D8E:D4DE:3853:8529:5ABF (talk) 06:28, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Dugdale? 

message: Back in a previous century I read, probably in Smithsonian magazine, a big story called "England's Other Queen Bess" about this lady and Hardwick Hall and all, including eight lines of popular doggerel celebrating her prowess as wife and businesswoman.  Can anyone find this for us? J S Ayer (talk) 20:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eight lines of verse 

message: "Bess of Hardwick died at 5 pm on Saturday 13 February 1608... On 6 February her body was placed in a vault in All Saints Church, Derby..."
Surely there's a contradiction here. The date 13 February 1607/8 seems to be the accepted date of her death. Can someone correct the other date please and post a note here when it's done. Mike Spathaky (talk) 21:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death and Burial 

message: It fullerly reads…
“sometime keeper to the captive Mary, Queen of Scots”
The word “keeper” needs ‘belinking’ to wherever explaining the aforesaid “keeper” word it’s meaning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:250D:F82F:CDE5:1D2F (talk) 16:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Sometime keeper to the captive…”