Talk:Odilo Globocnik

message: Is there anybody around who could bring my text into real proper English? As a foreigner, I feel some help would be necessary and very welcome. Thank you. --Peter Witte 18:40, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave it my best shot, cleaned up the diction and made a couple changes to make it more NPOV. Ellsworth 14:50, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. --Peter Witte 17:10, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: An anonymous user recently added a few sentences, that the "varied stories of his death, however, were simply cover stories". Now another(?) user more or less insists to insert this in the article on de.wikipedia (:de:Odilo Globocnik) as well.
I am not able to find any evidence concerning this claims. A weblink or the name (and ISBN) of some printed publication about this would be very appreciated. Currently it is only an assertion. --Tsui 10:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: rumors or cover-ups about Globocniks death

message: He could claim partly German ancestry?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.176.186.118 (talk) 00:13, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestry

message: The picture shows clearly the collar patches of a Standartenführer (Colonel), Ranks and insignia of the Schutzstaffel. An Unterscharführer is a Sergeant, which is much too low. I don´t have exact informations about his last rank in 1945, probably something more than a Colonel, but definitely higher than a Sergeant. I changed that.(HerkusMonte (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rank 

message: It's not normal practice in English to prefix someone's name with a masters-level qualification, and to me it seems weird to start the article with anything other than the person's name. The qualification, if it needs to be mentioned at all, should surely be put in the 'early life' para, after 'Globocnik enrolled in a civilian high school and graduated in July 1923 with honours.' (If that is indeed when he got the dipl ing.) Thoughts? Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 15:42, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that particular phrasing grinds on me every time I read it. Given that I'm clearly not alone in this, I've gone ahead and removed it. If there's an argument for mentioning it later in the article, i have no objection to doing so, though I don't think it's especially important to the topic of Globocnik generally. — Gavia immer (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's better. Thanks. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 14:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dipl. Ing. 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Odilo Globocnik's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "William L. Shirer p 349-350":
From Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany: William L. Shirer; The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; Secker & Warburg; London; 1960; pp. 349–350.
From Catholic Church and Nazi Germany during World War II: Shirer, 1990, pp. 349–350.
From Catholic bishops in Nazi Germany: William L. Shirer; The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; Secker & Warburg; London; 1960; p 349–350.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Odilo Globocnik]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Where was he born? Tržič is the name of two different places. One is located in Slovenia (and had the German name of Neumarktl in the past), another is located in Italy (called Monfalcone). There seems to be confusion in the article, his birthplace is mentioned as Tržič (Neumarktl) but then it says it is close to Trieste which would be the other Tržič (Monfalcone). Ideas? 78.153.33.205 (talk) 10:45, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Where was he from?

message: The picture is of an everyday commonly used van. No modifications have been made. Please correctly identify it as just a van and not one that was used to kill anyone. Curtless x (talk) 05:00, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of van is incorrectly labeled 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Page moved. The fact that the page was originally Odilo Globocnik but was moved without discussion is reason enough to move this page back to the original title. Additionally though, the RM initiator has demonstrated that "Odilo Globocnik" is more frequently used in modern sources.(closed by non-admin page mover)  Jerm (talk) 17:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Odilo Globočnik →  – Overwhelming common name in English. Check Google Scholar, NGRAMS, etc. virtually all English language sources spell it without the diacritic. Suggested on my user talk by  (t · c) buidhe 12:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: He clearly didn't write his name that way though - the only source we have for him writing that way is a Slovene newspaper, which fails the sourcing requirements for Holocaust topics. World Cat shows a lot of Slovene sources also writing it without a diacritic, as well as all English language biographies: .--Ermenrich (talk) 13:13, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: His signature (with a č) is here. Doremo (talk) 13:20, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks like the dot on the i to me - it's not placed over the c. The text immediately below identifies him as "Globocnik" as well.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:21, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a č. If it were a dot, there would be a second one at the left, over Odilo. Doremo (talk) 13:23, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that your interpretation is correct - we would need an actual scholarly source that he spelled it with a diacritic, not wp:OR. Even if he did spell it that way, it would not trump the fact that the vast majority of specialist literature spells it without a diacritic, including titles in Slovene, Polish, Czech, German, etc, as can be seen at WorldCat. We don't spell Shakespeare "Shakspear" because his signature looks that way.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Here is another of Globočnik's signatures, clearly with č. Doremo (talk) 13:29, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: There are also plenty of print sources with the spelling Globočnik, such as this. The fact that German or English typewriters or fonts lacked a č is why it is often printed with c, exactly the same as Dvorak for Dvořák. Doremo (talk) 13:35, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: The č spelling is also found in (more carefully spelled) specialist literature, such as here and here. Doremo (talk) 13:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  An original newspaper from 1938 is WP:OR, as is collecting Globocnik's signature. These modern scholarly sources in Sloevene, Polish, Czech, etc., certainly aren't leaving out the diacritic because of font issues: , , , , , , . I could go on. Even if you can find some modern sources using the spelling with a diacritic, that does not change the fact that most do not.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:42, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Wrong.  Antonín Dvořák is most often spelled that way in recent English sources.  Globocnik isn't commonly spelled with a diacritic. (t · c) buidhe 13:56, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends what you specify in the search string; for example, this or this or this. Regardless of the output, the spelling with diacritics is more accurate. Doremo (talk) 14:17, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Otherwise, any number of other examples can be cited: Jurga Ivanauskaitė is more commonly Jurga Ivanauskaite, Gheorghe Crăciun is more commonly Gheorghe Craciun, etc., but WP accurately spells their names with the diacritics that they themselves use(d). Doremo (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We go by common English, scholarly usage. See Sobibor extermination camp (no diacritic to match English usage). Our article on Rudolf Höss spells his name with 'ss' rather than the German Rudolf Höß to match common English usage. You can show me his signature all day, even English articles that use the German spelling, it doesn't change the fact that in English, the name is usually spelled differently. In this case it would match both English and German usage, the latter should have some weight at whatever his origins, Globocnik was an Austrian, not a Slovenian, citizen.--Ermenrich (talk) 15:38, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 May 2021