Talk:Speed limits in Australia

message: In the ACT, the school zone limits are from 8am-4pm inclusive, but I believe other places do this differently?
:In NSW there is a morning (8:30am-10am) and an afternoon (2:30pm - 4pm) "session" for school zones. That is, during the middle of the day it is the same speed limit as it is at 6pm.Garrie 04:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Qld is similar to NSW as described above. WikiTownsvillian 04:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: School zones

message: But what for the Unlimited roads at least found in Northern NSW? Roads like the Lions Road (between Rathdowney & Kyogle), and some roads out from the pacific highway to places such as Woorim have an unlimited sign with the advisory 'Drive to Suit Conditions.'  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.189.250 (talk) 13:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a reliable source (e.g. a piece of legislation etc.) saying that there's any unlimited roads in NSW (or anywhere in Australia now) feel free to insert the information. However, in the meantime I'd advise you to look into the matter (especially if you drive on Lions Road and think it unlimited), I'm sure you'll find that Lions Road is just derestricted (i.e. the default speed limits still apply).Jgillett (talk) 09:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no unlimited roads in Australia. The Northern Territory was the only location in Australia who had unlimited roads but now has a default limit of 130 KM/h Bidgee (talk) 10:42, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The speed limit on these de-restricted roads in NSW are 100km/h. If you refer to the RTA's Road Users' Handbook it says that when you pass one of these signs the state limit of 100km/h applies. Here are photos of such signs used in NSW Wyp (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Australia is not a signatory to the United Nations Convention on road signs and signals, Vienna, 1968 so we need only consider the Australian Road Rules. Alex Sims (talk) 10:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Australia did not sign the UN Convention on Road Traffic 1968 either so I can't see any basis for your argument. The Australian law applies, not an international convention to which we are not a signatory. (And if we were a signatory, we would make our laws reflect the convention). Alex Sims (talk) 09:39, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unlimited Roads

message: Using this 2005 brochure as a reference, the entry for the default urban speed limit in the NT was changed from 60km/h to 50km/h; however, this plan did not go through. If you refer to the Road Users' Handbook published in December 2007 (and thus being newer than the other reference), it shows that the default urban speed limit in the NT is still 60km/h. Wyp (talk) 05:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't trust the Users' Handbook for many reasons (I use to live in the NT). The Change did got ahead NT police pleased with response to new speed limits (June 2, 2005) and I can't find anything to say that this was axed and only one source says that it's 60. Also when I was in Darwin, the urban speed limits were 50km/h (sign posted as well). Bidgee (talk) 06:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also NSW does not have a derestriction speed limit .May want to check out this as well. . Bidgee (talk) 06:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Bidgee, the Northern Territory Traffic Regulations 2007 here shows that the default is indeed still 60 km/h. It specifically states that rule 25(2) of the Australian Road Rules (which states a 50 km/h default) does not apply to the Northern Territory. Councils may choose a 50 km/h default for particular areas, but for the territory as a whole, it is still 60 km/h. As this is the actual road traffic legislation, in a legal sense, what this document says will prevail. As for derestriction signs in NSW, new derestriction signs are not to be installed; however, there are many still around, see this link here for examples, I know of plenty more but don't have photos. Also, refer to page 52 of the Road Users' Handbook here. Whilst in theory they mean 100 km/h, they're still called derestriction signs, even by the RTA and they do exist. The derestriction photo I added on the main page of this article was taken in NSW this year so they are indeed still in use. Wyp (talk) 07:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to add a section (Once I can get a few more sources) about de-restriction sign since it has different meanings (NSW it's a default speed limit, NT it was unlimited speed limit). Bidgee (talk) 08:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Relating to derestriction signs in NSW, up until July 1979, they did sort of mean unlimited. Prior to this adoption of the 100 km/h state limit, the derestriction sign meant a prima facie speed limit of 80 km/h applied -- you could go over it as long as it was safe. 85th percentile speeds went from 119.5 km/h to 113.1 km/h after the 100 limit was implemented. Whilst NSW still has derestriction signs, I believe the NT got rid of them completely with the introduction of the 110 km/h default. Wyp (talk) 09:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep the NT removed them totally and was replaced with the 110km/h default with some sections of the Stuart, Arnhem, Barkly and Victoria Highways replaced with 130km/h.  It hasn't worked though (lowering the road toll). Bidgee (talk) 10:17, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: In spite of the RTA offically saying that they aren't in use, there are still quite a few physically in place in NSW. There are moves under way to get the remaining ones removed but some councils are still installing them, contrary to RTA guidelines. Once all are removed, the idea is to restore the meaning of the sign to its proper definition according to the UN agreement that Australia is legally bound to, which defines it as end of all speed limitation, not prevailing rural default. In the meantime, the sign is no longer officially in use in NSW but some remain in place. --Athol Mullen (talk) 11:33, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Athol, I've added your photo to my de-restriction listing page here and have attributed the photo to you as per the CC licence. However, if you would like me to remove the photo, let me know and I shall do so. Wyp (talk) 12:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I'm happy for you to use it. Besides, the CC license means that I couldn't prevent you from using it even if I wanted to. Note that the photo also has its geo data included in commons. The photo was taken at the intersection of the Bylong Valley Way. Last year, I also noted derestriction signs still in place on a side road off the highway between Bathurst and Cowra. They're not rare and they're not just in remote locations. --Athol Mullen (talk) 12:45, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen some in the Riverina and South West Slopes of New South Wales but some have been removed. In the NT I only missed out the the unlimited speed limit by a few days :(. NSW must love it's past :Image:Route 41 Wagga Wagga sign (Mills St).jpg is no longer Route 41 since it's been bypassed yet the sign is still there and the good old :Image:Road_distance_marker.jpg in miles. Bidgee (talk) 12:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NT Urban Speed Limit

message: It's been added that "most urban freeways in Australia have a speed limit of 100 km/h", however, many urban freeways are 110 km/h. For example in Sydney, (parts of) the M4, M5 and F3. Similarly, parts of the M1 in Queensland is also 110 km/h. Wyp (talk) 08:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No one's argued otherwise so I've gone ahead and updated the page. Wyp (talk) 11:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are also 90 zones on some, including parts of the M2 and M4 in Sydney and the 2 completed freeway sections of the Newcastle Inner City Bypass. In the latter case, each section was opened as an 80 zone and later raised to 90 following lobbying. One had already been raised to 90 before the other was constructed but the same thing happened! --Athol Mullen (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you start really digging into it, Melbourne has the Western Ring Road with a variable limit of 80/90/100 km/h (and possibly lower?) and the inner section of the West Gate Freeway at 80 km/h. 100 km/h seems to be the 'default' here and any others are 'exceptions'. Wongm (talk) 13:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If may be the default in VIC, but in NSW I can't think of a single fixed 100 zone on an urban freeway.  The M7 also has a variable limit with a maximum of 100.  Part of the M4 has a variable limit with a maximum of 90.  Perhaps we should be saying that there is no standard and they're all over the place like a dog's breakfast.  :-)  --Athol Mullen (talk) 23:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Urban Freeway Speed Limits

message: I note that someone has added the following sentence to the article: "Many local government areas have unilaterally applied lower limits, such as the City of Sydney introducing 30 km/h zones in many areas".
Apart from the sole exception of Druitt St (next to Town Hall), I do not believe that there are any 30km/h zones in the Sydney LGA. The Royal Botanic Gardens is also zoned 30km/h; however, as that only applies to the park's internal roads, it doesn't really count. As such, I don't think I agree with the phrasing that 30km/h speed zones apply in "many areas" in Sydney. Can someone justify/revise this? Wyp (talk) 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 30km/h zones in Parramatta. Especially on Argyle Street and Station Street East. It is also there on Macquarie Street. AussieCoinCollector (talk)  wish the entire world's COVID-19 status was like WA, 275+ days of no local cases :)  21:55, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: 30km/h speed limits?

message: I have been in correspondence the Office of Transport in the Department of Territory and Municipal Services. They have informed me that the ACT is not classified as "all urban"; rather, a default rural speed limit of 100km/h exists as specified by 25(3)(b) of the Australian Road Rules. They have also informed me that the 2010 version of the Road Rules Handbook will likely incorporate this information. As such, I have updated the ACT's default rural speed limit information accordingly. Wyp (talk) 00:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rural Default Speed Limit in the ACT 

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message: I've added a ref for the WA speed limits, being the Drive Safe book. I was going to cite the Road Traffic Code 2000 - Reg 11, Speed limits generally, but it doesn't mention the 110 "open road" limit - but it is explicitly described in the Drive Save book, p47:
The Rad Traffic Code code mentions the default 50 kh/h limit (in clause 2). Does anybody know why the 110 limit is not in the Code? Is there an updated version somewhere?   Mitch Ames (talk) 07:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in Reg 3 which defines the term default speed limit (which is 110). (I used this search to find it ) Alex Sims (talk) 08:58, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Mitch Ames (talk) 13:43, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Default speed limit in WA outside urban areas 

message: The lead paragraph says "Advisory speed signs for curves or other road obstacles generally end in the digit five". I suggest that we need a reference for this, and/or to qualify it. In the last few days I have driven past at least three advisory signs - in WA - that ended in zero (on curved off/on ramps for Kwinana Freeway). Mitch Ames (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Again it's in the relevant Australian standard (but not the same one as for limits. This on first reading was for it to be a multiple of five, it would appear though that Road Authorities seem to favour the last digit of five in practice unless low. I've seen one (and only one) in SA at 30km/h which was reduced after a crash from 35 km/h. Alex Sims (talk) 09:01, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  That (text in italics) looks very much like OR, and in only one of the states. In the absence of a reference that supports it, I propose that we delete the sentence "Advisory speed signs ... generally end in the digit five". (Especially since those signs are not "speed limits" anyway.) Mitch Ames (talk) 11:00, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a talk page, that was a comment,. I think you are getting overly picky. Roads are a state responsibilty but are uniform across Australia with minor variations between states.  To chase down references for every state is getting a bit ridiculous. I've had several traffic engineers quote the 5/0 rule at me and it appears this is a result of historical practice based on Australian standards. You need a survey of signs to verify the proportions of advisory signs or accept opinions from industry. Alex Sims (talk) 11:59, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:   - Agreed. The former would be OR if done by Wikipedia editors, but a published survey by someone else, or "opinion from industry", is what what I am asking for. Perhaps the "several traffic engineers [who] quote the 5/0 rule" could provide a verifiable published source? Mitch Ames (talk) 01:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

text: I've seen a mix of *0 and *5 km/h advisory speed signs in Australia. Yes this is OR but I want to point out what we have on Commons, to try and clear up the matter. 55 km/h (incorrectly used) in NSW, 35 km/h for a bend in SA (though was taken in 2005) and 40 km/h for a bend in QLD. Bidgee (talk) 11:22, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the advisory signs with a yellow background do tend to end in 5. Although I think we are talking here about the standard speed limits with a red circle. --SlitherioFan2016 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Please do not remove it, most of the advisory limits I have seen are in 5's. Infact here's an example of some ending in 5: (on the top of my head)
5km/h: Galston Gorge
15: Speed Bumps
25: Also speed bumps
35: Bends on the Great Ocean Road
45: Same as well as many in NSW
55/65/75/85: Princes Highway and other motorways in NSW
95: Waterfall Way before Dorrigo 
AussieCoinCollector (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advisory signs ending in 5 

message: Regarding the recently added "Victoria phased out 75 km/h limits ...":
I do not think that a historical change in the speed limit in one state is appropriate for the lead section - unless this was the removal of the last non-multiple of 10 (other than the SA exception). If it was the removal of the last non-multiple of 10, we should say so explicitly. However in that case we need a better reference. The current reference says 75 was phased out to "achieve credible speed limits which were uniform with the rest of Australia". It does not say that the phased-out 75 was the last non-multiple of 10 in Australia. Mitch Ames (talk) 02:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of any objects, I've removed the sentence. Mitch Ames (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria phasing out 75 

message: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-15/open-speed-limit-trial-alice-christmas/5022962
We may need to update our article then... 63.116.23.136 (talk) 04:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unlimited speeds to be tried in NT from Christmas 2013 

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Can you please explain your recent edits to this articles? The edits appear to introduce incorrect information (note that Wipedia articles need to be based on reliable sources). The source cited in the article ("A Review of Rural Speed Limits in Australia") specifically states "Until 1971, Victoria had a prima facie rural speed limit of 50 mph (80 km/h)" (page 31) [p39 in PDF file] and "in NSW ... roads subject to the 50 mph or 80 km/h prima facie speed limit" (page 76) [p84 in PDF file]. You have not provided any sources for your changes, despite multiple requests – please communicate why you think these changes should be made! Note that disruptive editing, such as vandalizing pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, may result in you being blocked from editing. - Evad37 [talk] 00:38, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The only place to have speed limits higher than 150km/h is the UAE, with a limit if 160km/h AussieCoinCollector (talk)  wish the entire world's COVID-19 status was like WA, 275+ days of no local cases :)  21:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prima facie speed limit 

message: Is there a reason that my edits keep getting reverted. The default limit west of the Newell Highway is 110km/h and the document I sourced also says
•	 High-quality rural divided roads.
•	 Undivided rural road with low traffic volume west of the Newell Highway.
In this case, it's why the Newell and Mitchell Highways qualify for 110km even east of the Newell Highway.
The only exceptions to this is if it's not sealed. But that also applies east of the Newell Highway. 
If you don't believe me, then fine, the innocent Wikipedia readers will just gain the wrong knowledge and I will stop editing here.
AussieCoinCollector (talk) 22:58, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Above the table is an explanation of the table. The default speed limit, is the limit set by statute as to what applies in at the absence of any particular zoning or signage. The highest zone is the highest speed zone in that state or territory. The zone is set by policy, usually by the state road authority. The information you are inserting answers a different question, that of what figure the road authority uses in each particular circumstance. This is outside the scope of the table, hence the reverts. You may wish to work "speed zone setting policy" somewhere else in the article. Alex Sims (talk) 06:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well the default limit west of the Newell is 110km/h. It's a weird case but facts. It is not about zoning as there is more area West of the Newell. It is not outside of the scope as it is split in half. It's only in NSW though.AussieCoinCollector (talk) 22:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  The table answers the question, in the absence of a sign, what is the speed limit outside an urban area? This is set by the NSW Parliament through the Regulation "Road Rules 2014". A zone is set by the road authority. It is not the default limit. A zone can be set above and below the default limit. You have identified the policy for what the road authority does in relation to zones. The road authority cannot change default limits, that is set by the Parliament. I'll revert your change to the default limit which is incorrect. Alex Sims (talk) 01:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  110km/h rural speed limits in NSW