Talk:Hawkman

message: I'm a big fan of the Carter Hall Hawkman.  Would anyone have any complaints if I started a "Carter Hall" article with specific details on this character only.  I'd reference and add links to this page in terms of issues of retro-con. where necessary, but I'd like to avoid issues of retro con and present a new page with a straight forward, chronological biography of Carter Hall.
Any objections?
Bhissong 12:20, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this page has both biographies: the original and the retconned one. I just think that over the years this character got way too complicated to keep more than one page dedicated to him. IMO, we should keep only one article in order to have the whole history and mess explained in only one place. —Lesfer (talk/@) 15:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, although your arguement proves my point in wanting to add character specific articles separate from the main one.  Because Hawkman's history is SO convoluted, one single entry results in a confusing amalgamation of descriptions and explanatory notes.  I was thinking more along the lines of what has been done with the Captain Marvel (Marvel Comics) page.  Because there are so many characters named "Captain Marvel," the page provides brief descriptions of each "Captain Marvel", and then provides a link to the individual characters using their real names.  That way, a person can look at the "Captain Marvel" page for an overview, but then click on Mahr Vehl (the Ultimate Captain Marvel) if they're interested in finding out much more about that particular character.  But, that's just my opinion.
Bhissong 16:50, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But those are four different Captain Marvels. Four different characters. Here we have the Pre-Crisis Carter Hall and the Post-Crisis Carter Hall; the Silver Age Katar Hol and the Post-Hawkworld Katar Hol; and yet Fel Andar. See what a mess? Take a look at Carter Hall for instance. We have two different versions for a single persona. Way too complicated.I think Captain Marvel article is brilliantly built. But in order to do the same in here, we cannot limit a Carter Hall article to a single version, it would be a half-job. We should do the complete job or leave this article the way it is currently presented.I'll ask for more opinions and suggestions at WikiProject Comics and add a wikilink to our discussion in here. —Lesfer (talk/@) 18:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Straight to the point: I think it is a good idea to create sub-articles (Hall, Hol and Andar). But is has to be done in the same way it was on Green Lantern's, Atom's and Flash's articles -- Publication history (and therefore the explanation to all the mess) is kept in here while fictional biographies are placed on each character article. —Lesfer (talk/@) 02:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's done. Take a look and, please, feel free to contribute. —Lesfer (talk/@) 04:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Carter Hall Page

message: The intro says the character was co-created by artist Dennis Neville.  Later, the article says "His adventures were memorably drawn first by Sheldon Moldoff, who modeled Hawkman's costume on..."  
The term "first adventures" and the statement that Moldoff designed the costume makes it seem as if Moldoff co-created the character. This needs to be clarified. -- Tenebrae 13:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. ;) —Lesfer (talk/@) 15:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Is there any way to separate the pretenders to the throne - including Zauriel, who never actually used the name in print - from the main Hawkmen characters?  The format now is confusing, giving minor throwaway characters and retcons equal weight with Carter and Katar.  --Chancemichaels 16:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhm, no, that's why Carter and Katar have their own articles. Each of the characters deserve their spot in this article. Kusonaga 17:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hawkmen

message: is hawkman currently alive or dead in the DCU at this time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.134.4 (talk • contribs) 
:He's currently MIA. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 16:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: current status?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Hawkman3.JPG

message: I don't think that this statement represents a neutral point of view:
Hawkman represents perhaps the best example of DC comics trying to maintan a "brand-name-character" who was inconcieved at the start, and inspired at-best lukewarm public interest, despite many attempts to recreate the character. See also Aquaman and Wonder Woman
Any problem with it being removed? Mookie89 10:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: I just watched the Justice League Unlimited episode "Shadow of the Hawk" and clearly at the end of the episode, it shows the coffin of the two lovebird mummies that died together - so why does this article say that the theory is true? The article says "Eventually it was discovered that the Shadow Thief is an independent fragment of Hall's addled psyche and that the reincarnation theory was likely true." And before this it says it is not stated definitively that Carter he was telling the truth - we see that he was in fact wrong, and that the absorbacron just made him think these things - it even says it is discovered later that the shadow thief was a part of Hawkman's mind - oh wait... though, upon reading the Shadow Thief wikipedia article, I see that the reincarnation in the story happened it seems, and Hawkman is the reincarnation of Katar Hol, but Hawkgirl was not the reincarnation of Chay-ara. necessarily anyway- possibly some clean-up of that paragraph is required to make this clear. ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 05:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  reincarnation not quite true after all? 

message: Isn't it a bit weird to say someone is a fictional superhero? As opposed to real non-fictional superheroes? 201.1.186.242 (talk) 01:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  fictional? 

message: Do these characters have independent, retrievable sourced notability beyond all being "Hawkman" characters? I'm not saying Hawkman isn't a notable superhero, by no means am I saying that, but the main interesting real world thing about the character is how he's been written over the years -- in the case of Hawkman, that's the continuity fuckups and retcons. Besides all these reconciling all Hawkmen as one character, the interest has been the other "non-Hawkman" Hawkmen introduced by other writers to get around the embargo on the character. In my opinion, Katar Hol and Carter Hall and whatnot should all merge into "Hawkman" ; the main body of the article should be a chronologically-sorted publication history, the prose of which more carefully traces the more complex path the depiction of "Hawkman" has had in various forms over the years in DC Comics. Does anyone have good reason to disagree?~ZytheTalk to me! 12:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge all articles into "Hawkman"? 

message: The article has both "nth metal" and "ninth metal".  I presume that one of those is a mistake? --Noleander (talk) 07:03, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  nth or ninth metal? 

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