Talk:List of Doctor Who creatures and aliens/Archive 1

message: It is said that they were susceptible to mind control from the beast in their part, but if you look at the Tardisode, before the asteroid is even approached one of the says 'the beast shall rise from the pit', during their talking whilst control from the beast they say something about how the beast had sent them to integrate into all societies ready to attack (not worded like that, but that is the implication), I'm not sure how to put this in or cite this, so I'll leave this to someone else. Ragzouken 23:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ood 

message: Morbius is already on the villains list, which seems more appropriate... Tim! (talk) 22:43, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morbius 

message: Until recently, there was a redlink to Abzorbaloff in the series 2 section of List of Doctor Who serials.  It certainly doesn't need an article of its own, but there could be a case for adding it to this page.  We don't have any information about its fictional context (beyond the notion that it absorbs its victims, and their faces show through its skin), but we do have some mildly interesting nonfictional information about its creation (the Blue Peter contest, won by William Grantham, age 9). (Here's a BBC press release and news story about it, and there's a full-sized picture of the Abzorbaloff here, although I'm not sure whether we could use it or not.  OG has some screen captures from the Blue Peter here, which might be closer to fair use.
Anyway, I'm just not sure whether we should wait until the actual episode airs to add this, or whether the newsworthiness of a Doctor Who monster designed by a Blue Peter viewer outweighs other considerations.  Thoughts? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 00:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if we can have entries for Aquaman, the Hypnotron and the Metal Octopus too! ;-) Seriously though, I think mention of its non-fictional origins would be precisely the sort of interesting material the list could do with. But you know me and Wikipedia articles, always one for the behind-the-scenes over the fiction, so I'm probably biased. Angmering 01:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aquaman already has a page — but I don't think that's the Aquaman you had in mind! :)  I've added the Abzorbaloff, and others can edit mercilessly and worry about the image question.  (I don't really understand what's fair use and what isn't, so I'll leave it to those who do.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: See the discussion at the bottom of the page.--Keycard (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abzorbaloff 

message: The line "gas from decomposing bodies or the living in the gas pipes common to Victorian era households." needs recomposing as it doesn't really make sense.
I suggest:
"gas from decomposing bodies or natural gas in the gas pipes common to Victorian era households."
Any comments?
--Brerbunny 20:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have made the change you suggest.  I think that sort of fix is noncontroversial enough that you can just be bold and do it without discussion.  (I've been asking about other changes because I think they might be more controversial, or might benefit from discussion before they were made.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 20:33, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gelth 

message: No listing? For shame! --Aderack 06:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sad Tony 

message: Do they belong on this list? According to the episode page The Krotons are crystalline creatures created in chemical vats.   Aside from the head, though, they look distinctly robotic.  Thoughts?
Blueminute 02:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Krotons 

message: At some point this list will need to be split up. It is not yet complete, and already it is huge and hard to navigate Tim! (talk) 13:44, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A-M and N-Z? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:52, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, we need to be more discriminating. I'm not sure that Taran Beast, or Argolins, or Dulcians, or Drahvins, etc. need to have their entries even here as much of this can be incorporated into the story articles themselves. How many of these are actually notable? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes I guess splitting up is just an invitation to add even more cruft:) Severe paring might be the way forward, to maybe the level of robots and planets. Tim! (talk) 17:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would make sense. It does seem strange that both Jagaroth and Scaroth have separate entries in two different lists, and that minimalised ones such as Hy-Bractor even exist. NP Chilla 22:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Having written a few of these I'm a bit disappointed that it can't just be split up, but I can understand the reasoning. It will however make me think twice about spending time producing copy for sections like this in the future, but I guess that is probably my bad judgement rather than anyone else's. Maybe pages like this need some sort of recommendation on length etc to avoid people wasting time. You can take this as an objection, but I seem to be a bit of a lone voice. Ho hum. This isn't meant to be as negative as it probably reads. Litefoot 22:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my bad judgment as well, really, because I've contributed to the page as much as anybody. What I don't think any of us anticipated was how much it would grow out of control. Perhaps what I can do is create a sandbox version of a proposed new page and then have everyone take a whack at it. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split up