Talk:Unani medicine

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Foreign language dicdef.  SWAdair | Talk  07:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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message: I thought that this form of medicine was called Unani Tibb; if I am wrong, what does Unani Tibb mean? If I am not wrong, the title of the article needs to be changed accordingly. 149.171.241.237 (talk) 10:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: wiki always uses the most commonly used name, which is usually the simplest, like this, which is about 100 times more common or more :) Sticky Parkin 14:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Tibb-e-Unani is the proper name in between the period of Golden age when Muslim scholars developed the science of Medicine.  Muslim Scholar Abu Nasr Farabi is regarded second master in Hikmat (including science of Medicine i.e. Tibb) after Aristotle being the first master in Hikmat. Nannadeem (talk) 09:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name 

message: what is motto of unani  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purvenbhavsar (talk • contribs) 10:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no motto mentioned in the article, it may be because there is no universal motto. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  unani 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have moved the page from "Yunani medicine" to "Unani medicine" as it is clearly more used in contemporary as well as scholarly sources. This can be seen from the Google results for the two terms: "Yunani medicine" (12,900 results) [where Google even asks Did you mean: "Unani medicine"]
::::::: "Unani medicine" (1,020,000 results)
It is evident by this that "unani" is clearly the much more used term. Even medical dictionaries such as Segen's and Mosby's list it as Unani:
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unani
It might be even better to move the page to simply "unani" as the term is used. Gotitbro (talk) 00:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Archiving here. Not used in article, WP:ELNO. --Zefr (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reading 

message: The article is vandalised by quoting a judgement made by the Supreme court of India against fake practitioners existing in India. The SC verdict was on a different topic and here somebody misuses the same for their ulterior motives and to tarnish AYUSH systems. I propose to delete the edition quoting SC verdit against AYUSH systems because it is unethical to do so. The news regarding the SC verdict clearly defines this and the original court order is also available. Please revert the edition:
The Supreme Court of India and Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery.
to Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery.
Because here, Indian medical association only seems to have the same opinion. Further, as far as Govt. of India is concerned, the opinion of government is to Integrate Ayush in health services as a priority in India. Mohanabhil (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that vandalism has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia which is not at all what you're claiming (WP:VANDAL for more information).  Without providing a reliable source that says so, editor arguments also have little value.  As for the state of the art as pseudoscience,  no government statement could change that anyway...  If government and medical associations are in conflict, it would be possible to mention that too, provided a reliable source discusses that per WP:RS.  —PaleoNeonate – 08:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing Supreme court order 

message: the intro-sentence currently reads, "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific."
However per WP:PSCI + WP:FRINGE/PS, "conversely, by its very nature, scientific consensus is the majority viewpoint of scientists towards a topic." However the citation that was used for this statement in Wikipedia is not scientific in basis - it's anthropological and based on the study of religion. Perhaps we need some new citations to support this claim if it will live in the intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jooojay (talk • contribs) 
:It's published by a relevant expert in a book by a university press. And anthropology is one of the sciences. The book is a reliable source that unani medicine is pseudoscience; that is, the book is a reliable source for reporting that the scientific community has rejected it. Which is to be expected, given it is based on the four humors theory which has been discredited for centuries. Crossroads -talk- 04:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anthropology is a social science, and that's not what is referenced in WP:PSCI. Do you have other citations to support this? Jooojay (talk) 05:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When practiced today it's alternative medicine, not mainstream medicine.  It relies on flawed and outdated tenets and does not conform to the scientific method, meaning it's pseudoscientific.  There are plenty of critical sources about altmed and by extension Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Acupuncture, Acupressure, etc.  There also are many on the history of medicine as well as outdated beliefs like humors.  Unani to all those is a single logical inference step.  As for anthropology, it's a little complex, it's the study of the human, including archaeology and biology and other subfields.  Ethnology in this case is indeed more social with some branches called social anthropology, it specializes on cultures and their comparison.  Nonetheless, this is a proper source published via a proper venue and by someone who's qualified to study cultures.  Attributing it as the claim of one person would be misleading per WP:YESPOV and WP:GEVAL.  —PaleoNeonate – 07:00, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Johannes Quack is specifically a religious ethnologist. If Unani as a pseudoscience is so commonly known, as you both have stated, why is it difficult to find another supporting RS citation? Jooojay (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm agreed with PaleoNeonate; nevertheless, another source has been found and added. Crossroads -talk- 20:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I appreciate the extra source added.Jooojay (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we should look in the other direction, are there sources, (reliable), that suggest that there is any basis in science to validate this alleged system of medicine? -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 23:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, —PaleoNeonate – 02:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unani medicine and pseudoscience 

message: Delete sentence and reference “Unani medicine is pseudoscientific” 2A02:C7F:D869:7400:6428:75F:80AF:9A2B (talk) 11:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

text: We don't remove well-sourced material. Black Kite (talk) 12:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2021 

message: please  don't write wikipedia if you don't know about unani medicine ..unani medicine is originated from Greece.it traveled from Greece to central Asia Dr.Junaid ahmed (talk) 10:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:42, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2022 

message: Calling Ayush practitioners quacks is violation of law, please correct it. Court order 19 Feb 2022. 2409:4054:506:D47C:0:0:16E3:A8B1 (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calling Ayush practitioners quacks violation of law. 

message: Remove the sentence
"Unani medicine is pseudoscientific.[2][3] The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]"
And add 
Unani system of medicine along with Ayurveda, Homeopathy and Siddha are well recognised by Govt. of India under the Ministry of AYUSH. Presently more than 60 undergraduates and around 15 PG Unani Medicine colleges are running all over India. Lakhs of qualified Unani medicine graduates holding the degree of BUMS and MD are registered in different states of the Indian Union and serving mankind. Furthermore, the Govt. of India under the flagship of the Ministry of AYUSH is allocating huge budgets for the promotion of these traditional systems of medicine to improve the health care system through the AYUSH. 
Hence, using words like "pseudoscientific" and "quacks" by IMA or other authors look arrogant, which is unacceptable and insulting to the qualified physicians serving humanity. KhaleeqR (talk) 13:02, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2022 (2) 

message: please remove a sentence -The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]
which is purely wrong Mohd Muzammil Ibrahim (talk) 07:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The IMA disagrees with you, and as a reliable source, it is stronger than you. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:32, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2022 

message: Change "is psuodoscientific"to "scintists are graduallly believing that ot is 100%scientific". 103.22.173.55 (talk) 15:31, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 September 2022 

message: Change
 The Indian Medical Association describes Unani practitioners who claim to practice medicine as quacks.[4]
To
The Unani system of medicine is officially recognized by the Government of India and falls under the Ministry of Ayush, alongside other traditional systems such as Ayurveda, Siddha, and Sowa Rigpa.<[Ministry of Ayush. https://ayush.gov.in/ retrived on 20-01-2024]> Nevertheless, the Indian Medical Association labels Unani practitioners who assert the practice of allopathic medicine as quacks. [4] The government of India also discourages such inter-pathy practices. KhaleeqR (talk) 07:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. MrOllie (talk) 12:48, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Allopathy was Samuel Hahnemann's word for the medicine as it was usually practiced in his time. It was based on the four humours, so, "allopathy" is essentially Unani. What you mean by "allopathy" is "medicine". --Hob Gadling (talk) 12:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024