Talk:Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic

message: I've been unsuccensful in finding any of the later lyrics of this anthem. Has anyone else looked around for the second stanza? 83.92.244.246 11:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: My response here is what I told to Justlettersandnumbers: I would like to politely remind you that the copyright status of the Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic has already been assessed. Tajikistan is the legal successor of the Tajik SSR and national/state symbols are not and cannot be copyrighted. The same holds true under the law of the Russian Federation, the legal successor of the Soviet Union. "it has not been demonstrated that the music, the lyrics or the translations of the lyrics are out of copyright" simply means you didn't check information readily available, as it has already been evaluated for copyright and determined to legally not be subject to copyright. In the future, please stop and see for yourself before you purge an entire Wikipedia article. Furthermore, the sources cited explicitly stated that this song is in the public domain. All of this information was immediately and readily available. With all due respect, the next time you see text that you believe is not public domain, click any one link on the page, whether the citations or the wikimedia copy of the entire song, and see for yourself. It is because of rash, uninformed, and lethargic behaviour that readers are being denied information that's obviously not copyrighted. I say this not as an attack on you as an editor, but as an expression of disapproval of your action. Before starting an investigation, inconveniencing all readers, inconveniencing all editors, and putting more of a workload onto the administrators and copyright clerks, take the time to do an extremely basic "investigation" yourself. This foolish behaviour helps nobody, and should be strongly condemned. I still believe it was done in good faith, but it has to stop. Considering how this makes the entire article unusable based on a blatantly obviously false rationale, the only difference between this and severe vandalism is that we're not allowed to do anything about it. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 14:39, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Assessed by whom? Note that  is far more convoluted than the cherry picked wording of the translation of the section provided would suggest: i.e., the entire document is a general overview of copyright laws, and the state symbol clause does not mention lyrics or audio recordings, much less whether that recording is public domain. The You Tube uploader doesn't even stipulate who the choir is, nor are lyrics provided in either of the two references currently in place, so how can we even verify the veracity of the lyrics? Without prolonging this parsing of where this article stands per WP:NOR, I'll cut to the chase: unless we have explicit documentation from professionals who interpret international law, personal interpretations of what is understood to be implicit are guesses, and guesses cannot be accepted as good coin (even if they are in good faith). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's quite a non-argument. Yes, one of the fellow involved editors added the tag regarding state symbols. And? I'm waiting to see how that's an issue. That doesn't change the fact that it's a state symbol of Tajikistan. How is that "convoluted?" How is the rough translation "cherry picked?" Furthermore, I can tell you haven't taken a look at any one source cited in the article. Both of the sources used to support the information of the article state quite clearly that it's public domain and uncopyrighted. As for the English lyrics, the site from which they originate states that the site and its content is licensed under the CCA 3.0 unported license, preferring that, if possible, the website is cited as the source of information, and that anyone is free to "use music files / lyrics / sheet music / information on my website / in my project / on a CD" with the only exceptions being anthems or translations marked as being copyrighted, which includes: files for the Aland Islands, St Barthelemy, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, sheet music for the Turks and Caicos anthem, and the English translation of the Botswana anthem. It doesn't take very much research to learn that the state anthem is a state symbol, that Tajik law declares that state symbols can not be copyrighted, and that the translation is released under a CCA 3.0 unported license and not included in the list of copyrighted exceptions. The fact that you said "nor are lyrics provided in either of the two references currently in place" which proves you didn't even LOOK. The Tajik/Persian original lyrics and English translation lyrics are in one of the sources cited, and this is further backed up by the other source which includes the vocal, which anyone can transcribe to text by listening, even if you can't read Cyrillic. The text of your response proves without question that you didn't look at the sources, because the text of the lyrics and the translation is in them. I'll say it again: it's public domain and obvious proof was right in front of you the entire time. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but do your damn research the next time you want to purge an article on the encyclopedia. That goes for everyone, not just you or justletters or anyone else. I should clarify: I don't believe any involved editors have acted in bad faith, but it is frustrating how there's clearly no effort being put into supporting the claim that the anthem is not in the public domain, as all of this information is literally only a couple of clicks away. I mean no ill will towards anyone, but this is simply disappointing. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 19:45, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's public domain and there was obvious proof right in front of you 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "info":
From Anthem of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic: Kazakhstan (1945-1992), NationalAnthems.info, 2013. Kendall, David.
From Anthem of the Karelo-Finnish Soviet Socialist Republic: http://www.nationalanthems.info/kar.htm Karelia. nationalanthems.info. Kendall, David.
From Hai Tanahku Papua: 
From Anthem of the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic: Moldova (1945-1991) – nationalanthems.info
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:46, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Anthem of the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic]]