Talk:Zefram Cochrane

message: I have removed the phrase "it is unknown whether the Terran empire exists at this point" because it isn't: if you watch the opening credits, there is a shot of the first Moon landing of this universe, with the Terran Empire flag being raised instead of the American one, and this is clearly the mirror universe analogue of Apollo. Alex Swanson 10:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indented line 
Actually, First Contact presents direct evidence that at least two other species from independent star systems had developed Warp Capabilities prior to Zephram- can you guess which?  ...The Borg (whom may have actually assimilated several other Warp Capable species), and there's one more for sure- Which I bet some of you still might not guess; Not even if I were speaking Klingon right now ::wink::   LarchOye (talk) 01:06, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Mirror Universe

message: I may be wrong but didn't Q once use the term "star trek", in TNG in the episode "All Good Things..."? According to this the only character to do this is Cochrane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.70.65.151 (talk • contribs) .
:I think he said the Q would "put an end to your little Trek through the stars."  So kinda, but not quite. Ryanluck 23:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't one of the characters (I forget which) say "star trek" at the end of the Roswell episode of DS9? TharkunColl 21:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but the nurse referenced a future organization of planets with some word like "association", and Quark corrected her by saying, "Federation". Nightscream (talk) 02:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of phrase "Star Trek"

message: The comment about heteronormativity is somewhat puzzling.  It says that cochrane shows disgust at the sexualized relationship.  Is this implying that Cochrane is gay and that, once he sees the Companion as female he is disgusted?  Or is it implying that Cochrane is heterosexual and disgusted by the idea of the sexual interests of another species?    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.221.152 (talk) 05:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My thoughts exactly. That section came completely out of left field, regardless of the citation (which I assume is dubious, but cannot check since it is an offline citation). What is meant by the section and what it is meant to accomplish is beyond me, and since I'm not the first to take issue with it, I'll go ahead and remove it to avoid further confusion. 99.186.122.139 (talk) 02:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't just remove valid, sourced material because you dislike it or don't understand it "regardless of the citation". Unless you can determine that the source is not reliable, or does not support that material, or provide some other policy-based rationale for its removal, it is not appropriate to do so. And please sign your posts. Nightscream (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am signing my posts; I assume you refer to the OP? I managed to find a copy of the source online, and now I can safely say I understand it. Still, it has absolutely no relation to the episode; if it does, then so does every other instance in entertainment where people are assumed to be straight or gender stereotypes are upheld. Whether or not one finds that acceptable is irrelevant; that's just how it usually is today, and always was during TOS' time. There's nothing particularly outstanding about Zefram's thoughts which are the basis of the source; he's obviously a straight character- so what? TOS, being made in the 60s, played up gender stereotypes heavily. This is common knowledge and singling this particular instance out is unnecessary. My advice to whoever posted this section is to create an article about gender stereotyping in TOS in general, if there isn't one already. EDIT: After viewing your profile, I see that you are an avid Trekker, too, which leads me to believe you know of the general campiness and gender stereotyping of TOS, so I don't see why you would find this particularly relevant. I'm going to remove this again and I ask that you not replace until you can prove not that it is legitimate, but that it has relevance whereas countless other similar instances in the TOS do not. 99.186.122.139 (talk) 04:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding signatures, I was addressing the editor who posted above you. Regarding that online copy of the source, can you provide a link to it? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 05:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes; http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC42folder/StarTrekGender.html The argument begins with Kirk saying "The ideas of male and female are universal constants," and goes on to describe the interaction between Cochrane and The Companion as gender stereotyping. My rationale for deletion is that, as I have said, TOS was produced in the 60s and is accordingly chock full of gender stereotypes. It is nonsensical to call out an isolated instance amidst the flurry of others that permeate TOS. See for yourself. 99.186.122.139 (talk) 05:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Heteronormative?

message: In Star Trek: First Contact, Cochrane becomes the first and (to date) only character in the history of the franchise to actually utter the term "star trek".
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't someone in "Voage Home" mention something about being in some kind of Star Trek?  --StarkRG 10:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First to mention Star Trek? 

message: Cochrane, Alberta is a town not too far from the legendary Vulcan, Alberta.  Coincidence? T ConX 13:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting...

message: If you check the credits from Star Trek: First Contact, his name is spelled Zefram Cochran, not Zefram Cochrane.  I've tried to clean it up on his main page, but it needs to be fixed throughout Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.168.214.110 (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cochran not Cochrane 

message: In the series Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_%28TV_series%29 ), in the first season, episode 17 "Company Man" two of the characters visits "Bozeman, Montana" - given that George Takei has a guest role on the show and we've previously seen a license plate "NCC 1701" this is hardly a coincidence.
....Hi! Well, the vanity plate makes sense in the context of the characters being fans of the "Star Trek" franchise. Heck, the actor that played "Hiro", even his character on "Hawaii 5-O" is one! Now if you really want to read something paradoxical, see "Group 10" at this site: http://www.poobala.com/crossoverlistb.html#byreality  LeoStarDragon1 (talk) 04:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention on Heroes 

message: I believe the name of Cochrane's first warp ship in the novel Federation was "Bonaventure" not "Phoenix". Can someone, please, confirm or deny? I have not read the novel in years. Chronolegion 12:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was, yes. Federation and First Contact don't really fit together at all. Daibhid C (talk) 15:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ship name 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GlennCorbett.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GlennCorbett.jpg

message: I was wondering why the entire section describing (and pointing out discrepancies and inconsistencies left unexplained in the fictional timeline) how the character was conceived originally in the 1960s (for the Original Series), and then completely reconstructed in the 1990s (notably for the feature film with Cromwell in the role), was removed altogether.  That was the one part of the article based on real-life and on technical aspects of character development in long-running franchises.  Now the article is almost exclusively a fictional biography.  Not that we can't have a fictional biography in an article about a fictional person, of course, but it is always best if we can add something more to the article.It seems that the whole thing was removed last June 9, unilaterally by a user, based on his own understanding of whether or not that should be here, without any discussion here or any attempt at rewording the section (should that have been what was necessary to improve the standard).  I would say that we need to bring that back — and rewording is always part of the equation; Wikipedia is a work in progress, after all.  Redux (talk) 03:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be brought back 

message: I wonder about the possibility, if the name Zefram Cochrane may have any connection to "Josephine Cochrane", who showed in 1893 her invention: the worlds first automatic dishwashing machine (which contented less "warp", but instead an intense "whooosh"-Sound).
This shouldn't disappoint anyone - i just ask for myself, if such an implication might be possible ...
... especially as the name "Zefram" really sounds like a modification of josephine (if the "jo" at the beginnig would be cut ...
Chiron 88.217.5.159 (talk) 17:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about his name 

message: The wording underneath the picture (showing Cochrane and the Commissioner) states "Glenn Corbett as Cochrane with the Companion in the 1967 Star Trek episode "Metamorphosis"."
Either picture needs to change -- there is a scene in the episode where Cochrane IS with the companion, or the caption needs to change to say "... as Cochrane and Nancy Hedford as the Federation Commissioner in the ..."
This picture is identical to the one used on the main episode page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jholicky (talk • contribs) 18:48, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in that scene the Companion was in the Commissioner's body as they had already merged. 66.87.4.44 (talk) 02:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Cochrane and Woman incorrectly labeled 

message: In the Mirror Universe, rather than reciprocating the Vulcans' peaceful greeting, Cochrane and the other humans kill the Vulcans and loot their ship, leading to human acquisition of warp drive, (...)
:I don't think that this conclusion is correct. As the Vulcans in the Mirror Universe were no different from their counterparts in our universe there would have been no reason for them to visit Earth in the first place.217.94.204.168 (talk) 16:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human acquisition of warp drive in the Mirror Universe