Talk:Cashmere wool

message: Could someone please define or provide the proper links for "napability" and "loft"? I was unable to find out what they mean. Thanks Jimaginator 13:54, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
loft(noun), lofts (plural)
1.Attic
2.Gallery
3. an upper floor
4.the tickness of a fabric or insulated material ( as of a sleeping bag)
::In fiber, loft generally refers to the structural ratio of fiber to air.  A high-loft fiber structure (such as yarn) or fabric contains more air than fiber.  It is typically much thicker than low-loft' fabrics/fiber structures, in which the individual filaments are compacted.  High-loft textiles can also be compressed.  In other words, they're fluffy.
::High napability is less clear, but my guess is that it means that cashmere textiles either have a tendency to nap or that a nap can be produced from them with relative ease.  Nap is also a textile characteristic.  A textile with a nap has a soft surface on one or both sides, created by the lifting of fibers from the surface proper.  (Suede is a good example of a fabric with a nap.)  As a side note, nap is not the same thing as pile.
::Hope this helps!  Just as a general note, if anyone wants help with fiber arts-related topics and terminology, I'll be happy to oblige.  You can drop a note on my talk page.  —PaperTruths 08:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Napability and loft

message: The page has a link to Kashmir Goat which is a redirect to the same page. 70.18.219.135 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-Link 

message: The High Quality Manufacturing section seems biased to Scottish/Italian manufacturers and cites no sources.
I don't think there is any reason to keep biased arguments in the article until they can be cited.  Mentioning both Asian and European industries is a good idea, in my opinion.Roots4x 18:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: The wiktionary indicates that the new name is wikt:cassimere? 
Cashmere is from a goat; Cassimere is a cotton/woollen fabric trying to cash in. Charles Esson 11:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cassimere 

message: I think there is something missing in the article about how cashmere wool clothes are to be treated when they need to be cleaned/washed. I doubt you can just put them into the washer without severe damage as a result, even at low temperatures. Does anyone know something about it? --Maxl 01:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Charles - this info has been in the article in the past, but Wiki isn't intended to be a how-to source. This article is about cashmere wool, not about where to buy it or how to take care of it. If there is enough info that could be a separate article. The same conflict comes up in a lot of pet animal articles - the how-to care for the pet - but it's not very encyclopedic. Bob98133 (talk) 17:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree.  Please don't turn Wikipedia into something useful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.128.254 (talk) 06:10, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How To Clean Cashmere Wool Clothes 

message: The cashmere industry is the subject of many debates and commercial miss-direction, I will go over it slowly as I find references. Charles Esson (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: It must be under 18.5 micrometers in diameter and at least 3.175 centimeters long. 
Used the US definition, may be defined like this somewhere, if it is to be included it needs to be given along with the authority so defining.
 a high moisture content allows insulation properties to change with the relative humidity in the
 air.
This is nonsense. It will absorb moisture just as wool does, so as the humidity changes the moisture content changes. Not sure how to weave this in yet
 The finest fibers are gathered from the saddle of the Cashmere goat; 
 most of the cashmere comes off of the sides and back, from the shoulder to the rump. 
 It is a misconception that the finest fibers come from the neck and belly, 
 as these parts collect the most debris. 
The whole lot is rubbish and I know, we farm cashmeres.
 If the goat is shorn, the fiber must be "de-haired" to remove
 the coarse, unusable guard hair. 
Combed or shorn the raw product has to be dehaired.
I would like to ditch the section: Cashmere vs. Pashmina. The interesting stuff belongs in the pashmina page. Charles Esson (talk) 12:15, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: comments on stuff removed

message: In China, overgrazing is causing desertification. Goats pull grasses out by the roots and change the fragile eco system. Cashmere and its luxurious qualities should be discussed in relation to its environmental cost.
See this article on Your Cheap Sweater's Real Cost
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/chi-china-cashmere-htmlstory,0,2722049.htmlstory
In addition there is has also been cause for concern recently about the industries effect on snow leopard populations - https://docs.google.com/file/d/1-3pVRMuB_NDrilPxu2Ly9yaggW_XfLzYOIsPDAtbxNCAeVbd3st2Q4akMW_d/edit?usp=sharing  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.122.121 (talk) 22:24, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, there is nothing in the article to provide balance. I’ve added a “Criticism” section addressing various concerns. LovelyLillith (talk) 16:53, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  environmental impact of cashmere 

message: The section restored by editor Trumbell was plagiarized directly from a copyrighted website, which was referenced. Unless Trumbell believes otherwise, this is a copyright violation. There is nothing wrong with this definition except that the wording was  stolen word-for-word. Perhaps this editor could paraphrase this text or seek permission from the copyright holder to use it verbatim. In any event, please use an edit summary to indicate why plagiarized text should stay. Thanks  Bob98133 (talk) 12:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right.  If this material is word-for-word, certainly need justification for why it is not copyright, even if, (for example) the editor putting it in is the same person as the real life author of the material.  Either that or paraphrase the material, as Bob98133 suggests.  See WP:COPYVIO.  Richard New Forest (talk) 17:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cashmere and Camel Hair Manufacturers Institute consents to the use of our definition of cashmere as found on our website. The copyright notice on the page is part of standard verbage on all our pages but we do not intend to enforce it in the case of our definition which we wish to see widely used by the trade. David Trumbull (talk) 20:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately I don't think you speaking as a WP user can over-ride the copyright notice, even if published by you as the CCHMI.  You are of course who you say you are, but what's to stop anyone saying something similar whenever they want to avoid a copyright notice?  It is surely as a matter of policy that WP does not use copyright material – I don't think it's the fear of prosecution that's relevant here.  How about you changing the notice on your web-page to a GNU licence or something equivalent?  Then we could use the text verbatim.  Richard New Forest (talk) 22:23, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

text: David - that's great. If this is your web page, can you please remove the copyright notice from the cited page and replace it with a public domain or commons license? Then it would be fine to quote verbatim as long as the source is cited. Otherwise it is plagiarism. A copyright is not standard verbiage that can be ignored on your say so. Please also see WP:COI since it appears that you are promoting a web site in which you have a controlling interest. Bob98133 (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

text: David – now we have no notice on the page in question, but a copyright notice remains on the home page, which could easily be taken to cover all sub-pages.  I think we need a notice on that page which specifically states that the copyright used elsewhere on the site does not extend to that page, or better still, a licence statement similar to that used for WP.  Richard New Forest (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarism 

message: The name of this page is an oxymoron.   Strictly speaking the textile known as cashmere comes from goats.   Goats cannot produce wool, they produce mohair which may seem much the same to the casual observer but does not have all the beneficial properties of wool - from a sheep.
The title should be Cashmere (sufficient in itself)
Eddaido (talk) 06:59, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right, but you can't simply change the name/definition of a page without supplying references. A quick search reveals that "cashmere wool" is widely used both by producers and manufacturers of these products. Perhaps you could add a small referenced statement that goat hair is not really wool, provided you can find a good reference, but until then the article should not be changed to remove wool. I have reverted the text. Bob98133 (talk) 13:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

text: In the UK, the word “wool” also means “yarn” - not necessarily from a sheep. I think leaving it as-is allows the article to have a more global perspective. LovelyLillith (talk) 16:56, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: cashmere - wool or mohair or what?

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: As far as I can tell, cashmere derives from Kashmir, the name of the northernmost geographical region on the Indian subcontinent. Kashmir is the name of a region, not a city. The region is claimed by both India and Pakistan, so the most encyclopedic geographic location is as part of the Indian subcontinent, and not as part of the country of India (see: Kashmir conflict). Because of this, I will be changing the second sentence of the article back to the following (as it read on 9 January 2019):
 The word cashmere is an old spelling of Kashmir, the northernmost geographical region of the Indian subcontinent.
If anyone disagrees with this, please discuss below.
-Heddles (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Beg your pardon, but I'm 90% sure that's incorrect.  The letter 'K' is an archaic letter that predates the letter 'C'; it's highly unlikely that it was changed from a more modern letter to a more archaic one, much less to a letter more typical of that region.  The suffix 'mir' is also chronologically unlikely to have been added after.  
TL;DR: The older form is almost definitely the Kashmir spelling.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7A6C:4500:ADD7:4DC5:951F:5647 (talk) 09:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

text: Wrong. Old books use exclusively Cash(e)mere. The French spelling even now is Cachemire. The letter k became widespread only after IAST (international transliteration of Indian languages) was adopted in late 19th century. To-date, Kochi is sometimes spelled traditionally as Cochin and Kolkata as Calcutta. Similarly, Cashmere is simply an old spelling of Kashmir. — kashmīrī TALK 23:32, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kashmir 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Cassimere. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 3#Cassimere until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 18:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cassimere" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]