Talk:Trainspotting (novel)

message: No, I'm sorry Midnighters, but the chapters centred on Mark Renton are not all written in phonetic Scots.  Most of the speech is Scots, some but not all of the internal discourse, and some but not all of the omniscient narration.  I'm very disappointed that you made this change.
I also think it's bad practice to describe a chapter or section as belonging 'to' a character, especially since other characters appear in those sections.
:No need for disappointment, it's not like these modifications are irreversible. From what I see/remember all of Renton's narration is written phonetically, if I'm wrong, just cite a single chapter narrated by Renton that is written in SE and we'll change it, simple as that. I just want the article to be correct, and that's how I think it is after having checked out the book briefly to make sure. I also clarified in my last edit that only chapters narrated by Renton are written phonetically. All omniscient narration is in SE right? Again, I just want it to be correct, if I'm wrong I'll be glad the mistake was corrected, it's just good practice to provide examples.
:As for the wording of belong to or narrated by or whatever I don't particularly care how it's phrased. Edit it as you see fit. Glad to see someone else as passionate about this stuff as me. --TheMidnighters 08:45, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just added another bit that should clarify more. So to assess the article: it does not say that all chapters centred on Renton are written in  phonetic Scots (never did), it does not say that all internal discourse is phonetic (never did), it does not say that all the omniscient narration is phonetic (never did), and finally "belonging to" does not appear in the article (never did). --TheMidnighters 10:03, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Scots

message: I think it would be interesting to have a section that identified the different locations where things happen in the book, such as Leith, Princes Gardens, maybe even the different bars or restaurants, etc. with links to Wikipedia pages relative to each place. Maybe somebody familiar with Leith, Edimburg and their surroundings (perhaps even London) could help on this.
--Screech 16:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations section 

message: From the intro, before the spoiler warning:
"The title is a reference to an episode where Begbie and Renton meet "an auld drunkard" in the disused Leith Central railway station, which they are visiting to use as a toilet. He asks them (in a weak attempt at a joke) if they are "trainspottin". As they walk away, Renton realises the drunk was Begbie's father. (p309, Minerva edition)"
What does it spoil? That happens and that's all there is to it, doesn't have any bearing on the plot  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.169.240 (talk) 08:45, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't this a spoiler? 

message: I do believe that this is pretty... ambiguous? I think that's the word.
"Bad Blood - Narrated by Davie. Davie, now HIV-positive, takes a particularly horrible revenge upon a man whom he suspects to have raped his girlfriend, by convincing the man that he has raped and violently murdered his son."
He convinces the man that himself, Davie, has raped and murdered his son, or that does it mean that he concinces the man that he had raped and violently murdered Davie's son. 
Please someone make this more clear. It just seems sort of sloppy.
(-Kid. 12:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague 

message: I find the following sentence troublesome, specifically the section I have italicised:
"Non-native English speakers might find the language in this book rather challenging as it is partly written in a phonetic rendering of urban Scots."
This seems to be nothing more than original research and/or speculation. Granted, it may well be true, but then non-native English speakers might have trouble with the language style in thousands upon thousands of other books - and so might native English speakers for that matter. I think that the sentence is assumptive, patronising, and unencyclopedic. I personally think it should be removed entirely, but for the time being I have put "citation needed", is it needs this at the very least to justify its retention. Yeanold Viskersenn 16:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned it up. --John 16:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent - thanks John. :) Yeanold Viskersenn 18:10, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-native English speakers

message: From the characters section:
"Daniel "Spud" Murphy — Naive and childlike [...snip...] his inherent sense of decency cannot survive unaddled among his mates"
"Unaddled" is not a word. Can someone more familiar with the book correct this (I'm not even sure what the original author was trying to say here).
:I modified it slightly. Thanks for pointing that out. --TM 03:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unaddled" 

message: I'm reading the book right now and you seem to have forgotten Kelly in the list of the minor characters. She is even the narrator in the chapter Feeling Free. Please somebody add her, as I'm not sure I'll do it correctly. Thanks!
I just did, and saw your message a few minutes later.  I like her character very much.  Finished the book last night, and find the women need more mention here. Eventually had to write the character names and aliases down in my book to sort them out. WonderWheeler (talk) 06:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I took the liberty of editing the section on Trainspotting - Intrepretations of the Title to mention an additional layer of meaning that was apparently intended by the author.  That is, that they were training a train of urine onto a spot on an old building stone (apparently) when the old guy comes up from behind.  There's room for discussion on animals marking territory, people showing contempt for old things, perhaps, nasty stuff going on at night, living on the edge, etc.  Maybe someone can clean it up, as the original was written better. WonderWheeler (talk) 06:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pish on the Cauld Stane 

message: Pretty sure excessively detailed dossiers of each of the main characters do not belong in an article's lede. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 00:29, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim the lede 

message: This should be mentioned - it is important to the plotting. Hearts of Midlothian FC, rival football club, have a British Loyalist connection. Hibernian 
 were formed by the Irish Republican community. Rent's brother Billy and his father's family from Glasgow are Loyalist/Unionist, Billy supports Hearts and is killed as a British soldier in Northern Ireland. Billy should be listed as a main character. Here is a good acadenic source:
May, A. ‘The Relationship between Football and Literature in the Novels of Irvine Welsh’. Soccer & Society 19, no. 7 (2018): 924-43.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.22.252.68 (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most characters are Hibernian FC fans. 

message: The description for Davie Mitchell mentions that he is another Leith native. In one of the chapters he narrates, he talks about how his parents are from Oxgangs and implies that he grew up there, if I recall correctly. His description should be edited unless there is some material in the book indicating that he is a Leith native, which I don't recall. ScottishJoe (talk) 18:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davie Mitchell