Talk:Hungarians in Romania

message: Many hungarians are not even allowed to be called hungarians . This is often the case with celebrities, like olympic medalists: Zoltan Lunka etc
Because of romanization there are many of unclear origin: Andrea Socaci  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.147.52 (talk) 11:26, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanization efforts  

message: What the heck the following phrase could mean?
:"Political agreements have brought the gradual implementation of major advances in the official status of the Hungarian language in all localities where it is spoken by more than 20% of the population."
So dense a politispeak is inacceptable in encyclopedia. Tell it straight: does Hung lang have any officially recognized staus or not? If yes, then to what extent? If no, then what are these "major advances" exactly?
: Basically, in places with more than 20% Hungarians, Hungarian language is official at the local level, so the interaction between the people and the local authorities can be done in either Romanian and Hungarian. However, the interaction between the same people and the central authorities is always in Romanian. (If I'm wrong, please correct me)
: There was also some dispute on whether, when marrying, the couples were allowed to say "igen" instead of "da", but I'm not sure which were the results. bogdan 23:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, Bogdan is correct. Hungarian has officially-recognised status in all "territorial-administrative units" (i.e. localities) where Hungarians make up more than 20% of the population (this applies not only to Hungarians but all other ethnic groups). In these localities, the local government is obliged to offer services in Hungarian, including access to the public administration, education, justice system and bilingual signage. At national level, however, Romanian is the only official language, which means that any correspondence with the national government must be in Romanian (there is still some grey area in this). I wouldn't really call this official recognition at local level a "major advance", but it certainly has offered a comprehensive legal basis for the use of minority languages in Romania. Before the introduction of this law, minority languages were still used in education and public administration, but there was no official, unified law regarding their use. In a Wikipedia context, this means that for localities where a minority makes up more than 20% of the population, that language must be placed in the infobox alongside the Romanian name, and it must definitely be mentioned in the lead. I don't understand why there is opposition to this.  Ronline ✉ 01:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Take a look on this: http://www.cjbn.ro/legislatie/lege%20%20nr215%20pe%202001.doc. --fz22 15:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perfect link thnx :
"ART. 90 (2) În unităţile administrativ-teritoriale în care cetăţenii aparţinând unei minorităţi naţionale au o pondere de peste 20% din numărul locuitorilor, în raporturile lor cu autorităţile administraţiei publice locale şi cu aparatul propriu de specialitate aceştia se pot adresa, oral sau în scris, şi în limba lor maternă şi vor primi răspunsul atât în limba română, cât şi în limba maternă.(in administrative-teritorial units where citizens belonging to an national minority form over 20% of the population, in their raports(relations) with public local administration authorities and their specialised apparatuses, are enabled to express, solicitate oraly or in writing in their maternal language also, and are enabled to a respons in both romanian and their language.)  
(4) Autorităţile administraţiei publice locale vor asigura inscripţionarea denumirii localităţilor şi a instituţiilor publice de sub autoritatea lor, precum şi afişarea anunţurilor de interes public şi în limba maternă a cetăţenilor aparţinând minorităţii respective, în condiţiile prevăzute la alin. (2). (local public administration authorities will provide inscriptions for the names of localities and public institutions under their authority, and display public interests announcements in the native language of the citizens of the respective ethnic minority in conditions stated at point (2))
(5) Actele oficiale se întocmesc în mod obligatoriu în limba română (official documents are made in romanian language , mandatory requirement) Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official status of Hungarian language 

message: These links are are not only biased (I wouldn't mind that), but also factually inaccurate.
* Genocide in Transylvania - Nation on the Death Row 	 
* Chronicle of Cruelties Romanian Mistreatment of the Hungarian Minority in Transylvania
The first one appears to be about Ceauşescu's rule, but it appears to be rather sensationalist. "OMG! GENOCIDE!"-style. If Ceauşescu's rule was a genocide for the Hungarian people, then it was a genocide against the Romanian people, too.
The second book has some good history parts, but again is overreacting over the "atrocities" (it has a chapter on the "Romanian atrocities" after 1989). bogdan 22:38, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you about these links, they shouldn't be in the artcle. Maartenvdbent 14:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: I am interested in minority days, for example:
* Deputatii au dat navala sa apere Ziua tatarilor
What are the celebrated days of other minorities, Hungarian minority, Ukrainian, Bulgarian, Turkish and etc? Why and how these days are celebrated? --82.207.121.0 10:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minority day 

message: The part of the minority  situation after 1990 is extremely biased. I added a segment  at the end of the section in order to balance out the objectivity of the article. Some of the main points like the fact that Romania adhered to all minority laws required by the European Union were not present before.In fact one of the requirements for the Romanian accession to EU was the protection of minorities' rights. Moreover, Romania was cited as an example twice by the Clinton administration as an example of what a country can do in order to protect minorities.  
ej 14:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, could someone else please review the recent changes to the paragraph beginning "Even though Romania adhered...", and the next paragraph, and see whether these are advisable? Biruitorul Talk 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The minority situation after 1990

message: Most of the assertions reflect the "proto-chronist" Hungarian POV. 
*E.g. in historiography it is not attested that the vague territory called Atelkuzu (Magyarized Etelköz "between rivers") coincided with the territory of Moldova or that some areas of it were included in Atelkuzu. Atelkuzu was rather a territory between the rivers Don and Dnepr or Dnepr and Dnestr. Even the oldest Hungarian medieval chroniclers point out that the 9th c. Hungarians (led by dissident Khazars called Kavars) moved out of a territory close to... Kiev/Kiiv. 
*"A Roman Catholic Hungarian community was settled in Moldavia during and after the period, on the Siret and Trotuş valleys (see also Cotnari);" The first Roman-Catholic initiative in this respect was that of... Vatican: the bishopric for the Cumans, who ruled in Moldova (esp. in the southern regions of it) and who emigrated around 1238 fearing the approaching Mongolian armies of prince Batu); the bishopric of Milcovia, a.k.a. in Latin "de Multo" (in Hungarian, "a milkói püspökség"). Letters by the Pope in Rome to the Hungarian kings say that the aim of that initiative were the Cumans as well as the "schismatici Walati" ("schismatic", i.e. Greek-Orthodox, Vlachs, i.e. Romanians), so, not because of a significant number of Hungarian-speaking colonists. But in the article, this important bishopric isn't mentioned! The emergence of the so-called Chango population is of a much later period, and its kind of Hungarian is that of a population barely assimilated somewhere in Transylvania; the language is by no means an ancient Hungarian (as some of today's proto-chronist commentators insist on propagating). There was a Hungarian minority in the middle ages, even some nobility at the "vayvode"'s court, but the probability that Changos are the continuation of that (unassimilated!) Hungarians tends to nil.
*Hence some changes in this and other respects. - Ralsog Iref (talk) 19:44, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Historical background"

message: Why do (ethnic) Hungarians called Magyars? Is it to make the Hungarian connection ambiguous?
I suggest exchanging all occurences of "Magyar" to "Hungarian" (or "ethnic Hungarian", where necessary).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.83.59 (talk) 02:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, much time passed, but I think you are right, so I changed those to Hungarian, to avoid confusion and misleading. Qorilla (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magyars vs. Hungarians 

message: I'm no expert but there is only a minor reference to the language differences between Hungarian nationals and Transylvanian Hungarians. Can anyone explain the differences? My girlfriend has been accused of speaking like an old person by hungarians e.g. Transylvanians learn an older more traditional form of hungarian. Maybe someone can fill us in on the the technical details.--Chrisjwowen (talk) 16:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's mostly about pronunciation. However, if you go further east, the Székely and the Csángó Hungarians may also use strange words for the ears of those who live in Hungary. In Hungary, young people tend to change their accent to that of the television and media, which is the dialect of the capital, Budapest (which originates from a western, Transdanubian dialect if I'm not mistaken). Maybe this is not so strong in the detached areas, and possibly they retain their dialect more. I'm not sure about that as I live in small Hungary. Qorilla (talk) 20:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language differences 

message: I have corrected the various (minor) discrepancies between the actual number of the Hungarian population as mentioned in the official census of 2002 and the numbers present in the articles. I have also replaced a broken link with two other functional ones offering the data of the official 2002 census conducted in Romania. Since the Hungarian population is below 1% in the Bacau County and Bucharest I am considering removing those from the population table, as in previous versions. Another important aspect was the removal of the Hungarian names used for the Counties of Romania, since the Counties were created in 1968 and have only one official name, the Romanian one. Amon Koth (talk) 17:50, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian Population and Names 

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Reference named "books.google.com":
From Transylvania: Paul Lendvai, Ann Major. "The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat" C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2003, page 146; http://books.google.com/books?id=9yCmAQGTW28C&pg=PA146&dq=diploma+leopoldinum+transylvania&lr=
From History of Transylvania: Paul Lendvai, Ann Major. The Hungarians: A Thousand Years of Victory in Defeat C. Hurst & Co. Publishers, 2003, page 146; http://books.google.com/books?id=9yCmAQGTW28C&pg=PA146&dq=diploma+leopoldinum+transylvania&lr=
Reference named "Britannica":
From Transylvania: 
From History of Transylvania: Transylvania. (2009). In Encyclopædia Britannica. Retrieved July 7, 2009, from Encyclopædia Britannica Online: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/603323/Transylvania
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Hungarians in Romania]] 

message: The article as it stands looks like overcrowded with the maps. I'd personally keep the first 3 ones, as more detailed. It's not exactly helpful to collect all of the images like the case is, so some should be removed. Miacek and his crime-fighting dog  (woof!) 11:42, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

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