Talk:Erhard Seminars Training/Archive 1

message: Although there were no explanations available at the time there is a simple reason they happened. 
The training sessions were a situation for Visual Subliminal Distraction to be created. 
In the 1960's designers and psychologists solved a problem that had appeared when knowledge workers using the first close-spaced office workstations began having mental breaks. 
The office cubicle became the solution for this phenomenon by 1968.
Sitting in lectures for hours, concentrating on the speaker, while others are making small detectable movements in peripheral vision contributes to exposure to reach a threshold and cause the eventual mental break. 
The sessions alone would not have caused the mental breaks but those who had them would have been previously exposed in unprotected workspace. 
http://visionandpsychosis.net/EST_Werner_Erhard.htm
http://visionandpsychosis.net/Culture_Bound_Syndromes.htm
The reason there were positive effects is the same reason that Qi Gong and Yoga produce similar results. But when too many exercise sessions are done in a compact time frame both exercises produce a temporary psychotic episode. 
http://visionandpsychosis.net/Kundalini_Yoga_Psychotic_Episode.htm
http://visionandpsychosis.net/QiGong_Psychotic_Reaction_Diversion.htm
L K Tucker  68.158.201.98 06:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakdowns from est explained 

message: I'm re-organizing the method of citation in the article from Parenthetical Documentation, to Endnote Citation.  In this manner, the reader may look to the end of the article and refer to citations in one, uniform location.Smeelgova 02:21, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Method of Referenced citation

message: I have deleted the section entitled "The wit and wisdom of Werner Erhard", first, that would more likely belong in a biographical article, and second, all of the quotations were unsourced, without citations.Smeelgova 02:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced Material

message: I was a young child of 12 when my mother subjected me to the est training.  She swore to me that it would change my life and that I would get "it" after it was over.  Meanwhile, all of my friends were experiencing the summer of '81, swimming, having their first kisses, riding bicycles, being KIDS, and wondering why I had to sit at some hotel at the Hobby Airport in Houston for two entire weekends listening to a bunch of psychobabble that a 12-year-old child has NO interest in. During our very short 30 minute box-lunch periods, where we were served baloney sandwiches on white bread and an orange (much like jail food) I actually got to talk to some kids (the one name that sticks with me is Thorin, named after the King who reclaimed Erebor from Smaug in J.R.R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit", and many other neo-hippie children like myself) and the consensus was the same; we wanted to be kids.  After it was all said and done my mother asked me what I had gotten out of "The Training" and asked if I had gotten "It" and I had to tell her that I really hadn't gotten anything out of it except a strong desire to never be put in a position like that ever again.  She then explained to me how much money they had spen on this "Training" (I believe it was around $400.00 or so back then for the children's training) for me and then asked me again if I was SURE that I hadn't gotten ANYTHING out of it. That was the point where I finally told her "yeah, mom, I'm totally enlightened now and can now be a happy person and create my own reality..."  My mother didn't have two dimes to scrape together, much less send her kid to some guru preaching some kind of vague self-realization course.  I kept in contact with some of those kids through that summer, and we all pretty much forgot all about those two weekends of mindless sitting and rode bikes, played Donkey Kong and eventually all had our own first kisses and social interactions with no worries about whether or not we got "It" or not, just being kids, but I'm sure Werner appreciated our parents' checks all the same, although my mother's check probably bounced.
*You can "sign" your comments by putting four "tildes" after your commentary.  Thank you for sharing, by the way, a very interesting read.  Yours, Smeelgova 03:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've been there 

message: I can accept this article as a Scientology "Project" (with objection), but the template seems out of place.  While est may be heavily influence by Scientology, it is not a "Part" of Sci, as the Template implies.  I would think the numerous links to Scientology would be sufficient. Opinions? Ratagonia 06:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Scientology Project and Template??

message: Substituted at 20:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment