Talk:Kiev offensive (1920)

message: What does make Petliura to be nominated as a nationalist? The fact that he tried to reorganize the Ukrainian military by introducing the Ukrainian language cannot classify him as the nationalist or does it? Does promotion of the Ukrainian culture can classify one as a nationalist? Not necessarily. And finally, can the Soviet history's nomination of him as a nationalist be classified by the Encyclopedia Britannica (which already was called racial on several occasions) as one? Yes, why not. In fact there are no supporting evidence that clearly identify him as the nationalist. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable sources. In this case, it's Peter Abbot's "Ukrainian Armies 1914-55", page 17. More can be added, if you wish. Britannica is preferable in this case as it is a tertiary source, that is, an aggregation of secondary ones. --Illythr (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petliura 

message: Why is UkrSSR military involvement included here? First of all it was artificial country, second of all it did not have its military. Its military was headed by the Russian narkom Antonov-Ovseyenko who was assisted by the crazy Dybenko (supposedly Ukrainian, but he was born in the Russian-speaking uyezd of the Chernigov Governorate). The Red Cossack Division that participated in the Russian Civil war on the territory of Ukraine was recruited in the Don region. And the government of Ukraine consisted out of the Russian political party. There was not a single Ukrainian on that so called Soviet Ukrainian forces. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 02:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because reliable sources say so. Specifically, the armistice was signed between the Poland, RSFSR and UkrSSR, marking them as participants in the war. --Illythr (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic military 

message: Please read the article, as well as this one and consult sources. --Illythr (talk) 16:47, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish-Soviet war]] 

message: I am seeing numerous unreferenced claims in the article. I do not believe it is up to the current GA class. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 15:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currently not GA class 

message: Sadly, after failing the GA review above, I also have to quickfail the B-class review due to outstanding citation needed tags. Article downgraded to C class. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:59, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-class review: failed 

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message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Kyiv Offensive and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 26#Kyiv Offensive until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  — Mhawk10 (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Kyiv Offensive" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. This is part of a three-way close of
*  (permalink pre-close)
*  (permalink pre-close)
* and  (permalink pre-close)
I will be copy-pasting the same close rationale to all three.
The key question here is whether "Kyiv" vs. "Kiev" is sufficient disambiguation on its own under WP:SMALLDETAILS. At the Kiev Offensive RM, Mhawk10 and Mlb96 make the case that they are, but at the Kyiv offensive RM, no one seems to contest CentreLeftRight and HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith's argument that the distinction is obscure to most users and that the transliteration "Kiev" remains in widespread use; Walrasiad and Eduardog3000 make similar points at the Kiev Offensive RM. Thus I find consensus that Kiev/Kyiv is insufficient disambigation on its own.
The outcomes of these three discussions follow easily enough from this:
* BilledMammal's DAB page at Kyiv offensive is restored and  is retargeted to it.
* Kyiv offensive (2022) is not moved.
*  is moved to Kiev Offensive (1920).
* There was no discussion of what to do with the resulting redirect at Kiev Offensive, but since the consensus to move was based on the premise that the term is ambiguous, I will retarget it to the DAB at Kyiv offensive, without prejudice against an RfD to review that decision.
There may appear to be an inconsistency in capitalization here, but it represents the consensuses at both RMs, and to me appears justified based on the fact that one is a descriptive title and one a proper name.   -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 05:37, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Kiev Offensive →  – Between this article and Kyiv offensive (2022) there is no clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and neither Kiev/Kyiv nor offensive/Offensive are sufficient to differentiate between the two. BilledMammal (talk) 04:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   It is not the name that is at issue.  It is merely whether the date (1920) should be added for disambiguation. Walrasiad (talk) 22:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

text: Weak support. Tough call. Obviously, now, everyone is talking about the 1922 events, but in the long run, will historiography recognize this as an new Kiev offensive, and will this term endure and require equal treatment? I am torn what is the best thing do do now, but in the end I think both 1920 and 2022 events need () and the variants of the KO term should be a disambig or redirect to one. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 February 2022