Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 3

message: It should be noted on the news template that the leak was contained within the facility and it poses no danger. Just saying that a large amount of material has been leaked makes Wikipedia seem more like tabloid style scaremongering :P Darksun 11:13, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sellafield leak 

message: Ok, ed_g2s, complain here instead of reverting. --brian0918™ 13:28, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Oxyrhynchus]]

message: CIA releases classified Vietnam War docs
Estimative Products on Vietnam: 1948-1975 Should require some research. -SV|t 21:56, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA 

message: I know it's picky, but the phrasing of...
:John Conyers and 88 members of U.S. Congress write an open letter to George W. Bush about the new documents leaked which apparently reveals the secret agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom to attack Iraq in 2002.
gives the impression that the documents appear to reveal a secret agreement which was already known to exist, and it's a little clumsy. It might work better as:
:John Conyers and 88 other members of the U.S. Congress write an open letter to George W. Bush about newly leaked documents which apparently reveal a secret agreement between the United States and the United Kingdom to attack Iraq in 2002.
I hope that makes sense to anyone who's not me... Shimgray 02:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rephrase an entry? 

message: I am sorry that I have to do this, but I can't be the only that sees this discrepancy... that is, why has N3 road been on the FRONT PAGE for so long .  Is this really THE story we pride ourselves as encyclopedic? Is this an even we need to run around and update our history books... I know we're different, but is Britannica sweating that their not covering the M3?  Why aren't we talking about unrest in Uzbekistan, that's a history changer, or the Beatification of Pope John Paul II, or even Malcolm Glazer and the Manchester United event -- it'll be huge if this team becomes 'American owned'.  Either way, we need to update our stories each day (or 30hrs),  All Current Event articles should have a fair share on the homepage time split. Hope you understand, lets work together ~ RoboAction 00:47, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The proper place to make these recomendations is Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates. BrokenSegue 02:09, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Encyclopedic? 

message: The Ellsworth and Hanscom Air Bases are no more inherently valuable than any of the other installations in the BRAC round (they're all on the chopping block, after all).  The BRAC round also includes scores of smaller emplacements.  --Alexwcovington (talk) 00:10, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but most people will focus on the major installations. More important is that the entry is in error. Hanscom is not closing. Major installations people are focusing on: Ellsworth AFB, Fort Monmouth, and Portsmouth Naval Shipyard. --Penta 00:23, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: BRAC

message: Do we have to call it soccer?  I say this because very few people in Liverpool would call it "soccer".  It is football.  Smoddy (Rabbit and pork) 08:38, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think since we're talking about UK/Euro football, it's reasonable to change it.  Done. Mark1 09:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like your edit summary, Mark. ;-)  -- 64.229.206.213 14:42, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Soccer" 

message: This edit summary at Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates is disconcerting .... -- 199.71.174.100 05:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attn: Sysops ----  Please update [[Template:In the news]]. 

message: Wikipedia headlines say that László Sólyom is the leader of the opposition. This is not true however, he was only the candidate of the opposition, as he is not a member of any party. Hope you'll correct it. --Sicboy 23:34, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
Also, if he's the guy pictured, shouldn't the entry say (pictured at right)? Bloodshedder 20:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong info on Hungarian Presidential elections 

message: The item about the killings in Ethiopia says "..killed at demonstrations in Addis Ababa between police and students..." This would be better worded as: "...killed in clashes between the police and students following demonstrations in Addis Ababa..." Currently it makes it sound like the police were also demonstrating somehow, which I'd guess they weren't... — pmcm 17:01, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed it, but the wording is quite tricky when you try to reconcile the government account.  Their version is that the protesters injured themselves, though <sarcasm> I haven't heard their explanation of how the protestors managed to get bullets from police guns in their bodies without the police shooting them.  Those tricky demonstrators! </sarcasm> - BanyanTree 17:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demonstrations wording in Ethiopian item

message: No mention about what's happening in Bolivia?  Google News puts Bolivia on top, with 1024 articles off the main article...here it's not even mentioned. Ruy Lopez 03:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bolivia just fell off ITN because nobody had offered an update.  Feel free to do so.  - BanyanTree 06:20, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bolivia 

message: The TMS/MRBI poll on the EU constitution is newsworthy for a number of reasons:
* It proves that the votes in France and the Netherlands were not isolated incidents but part of a wider attitude sweeping Europe; 
* Until the poll, the presumption both in the Irish Government and in the EU headquarters was that Ireland was a dead cert to vote yes. The poll changed overnight that perspective. It added further pressure to abandon the constitution entirely;
* TMS/MRBI Irish Times polls are regarded within Ireland as the most reliable and trustworthy polls done.  A bad result in one of their polls is universally seen as the 'kiss of death'. Politicians and pollsters alive swear by them. Whatever other polls say, you don't really believe you are winning (or losing) until an MRBI poll says so. They are universally regarded as gospel. One writer (in a rival paper) joked that "if an MRBI poll says you are dead, you'd better go out and buy the coffin." 
So this is not a case of simply reporting any old poll, but a notoriously reliable poll that reveals that the European Constitution is in even more trouble than expected, with even the dead cert supposedly pro-yes Irish actually being a dead cert 'no'. With the French and Dutch voting 'no', the Danish about to vote 'no', and now the Irish in an MRBI poll polling 'no', the constitution is not merely in critical condition but stone dead. FearÉIREANN(talk) 19:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But no bolded article, ergo no place in ITN. smoddy 19:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: (Edit conflicted): :I'm not arguing its newsworthiness.  It simply does not meet the Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page criteria, in particular there was no bolded link to the article with the updated information.  European Constitution states "In June 2005 an unsourced opinion poll in Ireland predicted that the European Constitution would be defeated in a referendum, if one was to take place in the immediate future", which is must less specific than the info in the ITN blurb and hardly helps the reader who wants to know more about the most recent event.  That's why I simply didn't bold European Constitution.  Knowing quite little about this topic, it seems the most logical place to put the updated information you have described above is Irish referendum on the European Constitution. Cheers, BanyanTree 19:28, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Opinion Poll

message: The current top item on ITN, the one about whaling, could use a full stop. Thanks. -- 65.95.104.93 16:21, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks, smoddy 16:23, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punctuation mark missing 

message: In the Supreme Court headline, it should be "primarily commerical" rather than "primary commercial". Ddye 17:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Thanks for the note.  I also slimmed it down as it was twice as long as some of the others. - Banyan[[User 
talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 17:52, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo 

message: The later transcription seems to be more usual im English (by a factor of 100.) --Wikimol 16:27, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. –Hajor 16:40, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ahmadinezhad -> Ahmadinejad

message: Nichalp has reverted the Sandra Day O'Connor item off ITN with the comment "Please keep this free of US-specific articles".  This is blanket statement a bit disingenuous, as the lead item is now a Germany-specific article.  There is certainly a tendency to put the front page item on US newspapers on ITN that should be resisted, but O'Connor's retirement is a huge event, unlike, for example, the oh-so-international Eurovision.  The recent battle over judges in Washington, DC was a dry run for the expected Supreme Court vacancy.  The executive and legislative branches of the most powerful country in the world will be at political war  for months to determine the nature of the judicial branch.  If we want no country-specific items, fine.  We can leave the one "multinational" item on ITN and take off the rest.  But don't try a "no US-specific articles" line. - BanyanTree 1 July 2005 15:20 (UTC)
:The topic is too US-centric. Why should a USSC judge be featured on the main page? As you put it, it is matter of interest in the US alone. Please tell me why it is a matter of international interest that the USSC judge retires? It contradicts pt 3. that the topics should be of international interest. This is a poor advertisement for an international website if it goes on to feature retirement of USSC judges. I'll revert once again to maintain a less county-specific balance, but am logging out as its my dinner time. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 1, 2005 15:30 (UTC)
::I think Sandra Day qualifies for inclusion. It also gets us one closer to pushing "dead multimillionaire" off of the front page. But how about listing her below Schröder, leaving Schröder at the top and with a photo, giving him top billing? Useful compromise? –Hajor 1 July 2005 15:37 (UTC)
:::No, it doesn't affect Mr Walmart's ranking because it's replacing the Iran story. OK. –Hajor
:::(after edit conflict) An important country's political leader (indeed, one of the eight most important people on the planet) is clearly far, far more significant internationally than that of a judge.  If I were to judge this, I would say that items should only appear if they would be headline news in more than the local country. The German Chancellor would; same-sex marriage in Spain certainly would; the Walmart heir probably wouldn't; a USSC judge certainly wouldn't. The idea is not including solely international issues, but including internationally-significant issues. smoddy 1 July 2005 15:45 (UTC)
::::"Certainly wouldn't" - care to explain why O'Connor is the headline story on the BBC News website as I write this? --Michael Snow 1 July 2005 15:48 (UTC)
::::::There are lots of other stories from around the world on the BBC. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 1, 2005 18:42 (UTC)
:::::Hmm.  That's interesting.  Nevertheless, a quick visit to the 24-hour news channels shows little mention of the judge.  I can't find it on French or German Google news.  I don't believe it internationally significant.  smoddy 1 July 2005 16:05 (UTC)
::::::The BBC is traditionally one the fastest services to break stories, a lot of the time beating FOX and CNN, even w/r/t US news. The (non-Anglophone) Europeans are hampered by additionally having to translate wires, but the story is now on Yahoo France. Let's not get too holier-than-thou over the SCOTUS, not in a month that's featured Sam Walmart's boy and Michael bleeding Jackson. –Hajor 1 July 2005 16:15 (UTC) 
::::::This is British 24-hour news channels, i.e. Sky and BBC News 24.  Sky didn't mention it;  BBC had it third.  smoddy 1 July 2005 16:21 (UTC)
:::::::My mistake. I assumed Murdoch marketed himself as FOX globally. Will be more careful with my labels in the future. Peace, –Hajor 1 July 2005 16:43 (UTC) 
If one is trying to implement a strict interpretation of point three, why wouldn't you remove both the Walton death and German election items, which are not multinational?  I would say most of the articles on ITN are "country specific" and not international in scope, but they are international in interest, if you get the distinction.  The state of the current US Supreme Court, which has made a number of recent decisions of international interest but not scope, such as the Bush v Gore decision and treatment of "enemy combatants", certainly seems to fall within this range.  As for importance, the article states that she is considered one of the top ten most powerful women in the world.  The woman is of international interest, the institution she is retiring from is of international interest, the effect of the retirement is of international interest, and I am sincerely confused by the argument that her retirement from the institution is not of international interest.  It's going back up, though I'll take Hajor's suggestion to put it under Schröder in the interests of peacemaking.  - BanyanTree 1 July 2005 16:00 (UTC)
:Ah, I was beaten to it. - BanyanTree 1 July 2005 16:03 (UTC)
::And why should her retirement be of international interest? She just decided to call it a day. A normal process in the life of anyone ,she wasn't kicked out or anything so dramatic. Is it so important? I watched the BBC news on TV at 9:30 PM IST (4pm GMT, half an hour after I logged out), and Shroder was amonng the top three news items on TV. The judge did not get a mention. The German election is news, Spain legislation is big news, Wal Mart death was news as the world's 11th richest person he died under sudden circumstances. Everything that makes US headlines is not of *international* interest, I'll have to clearly add. I don't think you'll be too happy if tomorrow a resignation of the Chief Justice of a small African country is put up here? =Nichalp «Talk»= July 1, 2005 18:42 (UTC)
:::Yes it is important and of international interest. Look at the comments around you showing evidence that it is. A story does not have to dominate the airwaves to be eligible for inclusion here. O'Connor's retirement has legal and social implications that are potentially as great as the Spanish legislation you cite, but they're difficult to state concisely for a headline. --Michael Snow 1 July 2005 19:35 (UTC)
::::The comments happen to come from US residents. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 2, 2005 09:39 (UTC)
:::::The point is that the comments have pointed to multiple instances of this event receiving significant coverage in non-US media. --Michael Snow 2 July 2005 23:15 (UTC)
I thought this was interesting, and perhaps an indicator of how we're doing. The world news page on El Universal (one of the better Mexican dailies, and probably the one with the most decent dynamic news coverage) currently has five lead stories: four of those are gay marriages in Spain, dissolution of parliament in Germany, resignation of Sandra Day O'Connor, and accusations about Iranian president-elect back in '79.  (The one story we haven't covered, and El Universal's main lead, is the ongoing Pinochet investigations in Chile.) WP:ITN is clearly reflecting an excessively Mexican-centric view of world news. –Hajor 1 July 2005 17:13 (UTC)
:Lots of things happen in the world.  Let's limit our coverage to stuff of international significance.  — Chameleon 1 July 2005 19:51 (UTC)
::News that could potentially change the way 300 million people live is what I would call significant.  Considering the impact of some news events, exceptions to this "international significance" silliness should be made. --tomf688(talk) July 1, 2005 21:22 (UTC)
:::I agree with this point. While it isn't a good idea to show news only specific to ANY country, the fact of the matter is that the U.S. has a large population so such news affects a LOT of people (Wikipedians). I'm Canadian so the majority of front page Canadian news doesn't deserve to be on the front page of Wikipedia (a maximum of 30 million people will care). U.S. only news has just as much a right to be there as China only, India only, Britain only, France only, or Germany only news. --Will2k July 2, 2005 05:46 (UTC)
:::For news specific to a country there are ITN portals. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 2, 2005 14:51 (UTC)
Its clearly country-specific. If I were to put the following: "The Indian Supreme Court allows Indian citizens to fly the flag on all days of the year. This is of immense interest in India, but hardly of any around the world. =Nichalp «Talk»= July 2, 2005 14:51 (UTC)
:::::It seems silly to discount people's interests just because they live in a populous country.  Other things being equal, an item of interest to a billion people should be equally important whether they live in one country or ten. — Pekinensis 02:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "US-specific" argument 

message: The current pic on ITN, :Image:SouthernSudanMap.png, needs Mprotection. -- 199.71.174.100 23:55, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. James F. (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 00:49, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

text:  Maybe I am getting paranoid ... I just realized that the image is only protected in the Commons and not yet in :Category:Protected main page images in English Wikipedia.  Does this mean vandals can use the same file name and upload whatever they like onto English Wikipedia and still vandalise our FrontPage ? -- 199.71.174.100 03:03, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Golbez. -- 64.229.227.66 04:32, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Good call. How about Mprotecting it at the Commons, too ?  Just realised ITN is now updated with this Flag as the new image.... Thanks. -- 64.229.227.66 05:34, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant, actually.  Protecting it here isn't gonna help much.--Pharos 05:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  We need Mprotection at both ends. The alternative would be to upload the same image to English Wikipedia, then just Mprotect in English Wikipedia. Right now, the Flag of Kyrgyzstan.png is indeed protected in the Commons, just not tagged with the "M" there. It's alright. -- 64.229.5.159 13:24, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

text: There is a template for commons images protected for this purpose - Commons:Template:En main page. — Dan | Talk 13:40, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Non-admins can't tag the image with this template while the image is protected. As long as it's protected, it's alright. Applying this tag/template doesn't protect the image from overwriting, anyway. -- 64.229.5.159 14:31, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mprotection 

message: The "...US$ 50 billion..." in the first headline looks quite goofy. I suggest "50 billion USD" instead, and I've already changed on the draft. --Tedpennings 12:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  moving the US$ to somewhere more suitable 

message: If he won the election, is he really the acting president? — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 03:11, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He was the interim leader of the government before, during and after the election.  How's that ?  Has he sworn in as the new Prez yet ?  Nope.  "Acting-Prez" is fine. -- 199.71.174.100 04:41, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, good point. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 04:43, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording 

message: The link is to the correct page, but the text should read DC Circuit Court of Appeals, if not the full name, because the DC Court of Appeals is a different court. Ddye 20:51, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Knowing absolutely nothing about this topic, according to United States Court of Appeals, "circuit court" is identical. - BanyanTree 21:05, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit states the difference in its lead.  Changed.  Thanks! - BanyanTree 21:50, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Roberts, Appeals Court 

message: link to China should be changed to People's Republic of China! --Apples and Oranges
:This seems to have been fixed (not by me). Thue | talk 18:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  China goes to wrong place !!!! 

message: At least 75 people are killed in a series of bomb explosions in the Egyptian resort of Sharm el-Sheikh. The new figure is 83, not 75 anymore. Someone change that... --Dungo (talk) 11:59, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number correction

message: Can someone with sysop powers change "indentify" to "identify", please ?  A link to the Metropolitan Police Service page would be nice, too.  Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 00:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for fixing it so quickly, Raul654. -- 199.71.174.100 00:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  typo on the item about London 

message: User:Talrias understandably has interest in NZ politics, mere announcements regarding elections dont make front page news. -SV|t 21:11, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand Election 

message: *Mission STS-114 of the NASA Space Shuttle Discovery successfully lifts off from JFK Space Center, beginning the first NASA human spaceflight since the Columbia disaster of February 2003. 
This reads funny.  Does the shuttle lift off or the mission ?  Do people really call it the JFK Space Center.  Their website calls it 'Kennedy Space Center'. I suggest changing the blurb on the Main Page to:
* Mission STS-114, the first NASA human spaceflight since the Columbia disaster of February 2003, begins as Space Shuttle Discovery successfully lifts off from Kennedy Space Center.
or
* Space Shuttle Discovery successfully lifts off from Kennedy Space Center, beginning Mission STS-114, the first NASA human spaceflight since the Columbia disaster of February 2003.
Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 23:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Hajor. The colon works fine, too. -- 199.71.174.100 23:51, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the thanks. I wasn't sure about the colon but nonetheless decided to be bold and all that. –Hajor 00:34, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The blurb on STS-114 reads funny .... 

message: I highly object to the word slain on this page with regard to the shooting of Jean de Menezes. Is there really any need for it? Jooler 07:54, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slain

message: "Four men have been arrested after the police mistakenly shot Jean de Menezes"
The arrested bombing suspects have nothing to do with Jean de Menezes. Can we split this into two sentences/stories, please? --161.73.58.135 14:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  bombings section 

message: Nothing on the discovery of ice on the surface of Mars?  Grutness...wha?
:You could add it yourself, since you're an admin, or you could add it to Template:In_the_news/Candidate for review before being added.-gadfium 20:31, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I could, but it's not an area I've ever dealt with before. I'll list it on "candidates". And sorry i forgot to sign last time! :) Grutness...wha? 03:16, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a beautiful photo, but as far as I can tell this isn't really groundbreaking scientific news.  Astronomers have long known about water ice on the Martian surface; there's even a water icecap at the Martian north pole.--Pharos 03:20, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ice found on Mars

message: It's probably worth throwing in 2005 FY9 alongside the other two currently listed as being found yesterday, as it's brighter than 2003 EL61. -The Tom 20:29, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this a couple of minutes ago, though I didn't see your notice till just now. (I should check here more often.)--Pharos 23:43, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New minor planets 

message: Rafael Palmeiro has just become by far the highest-profile player in Major League Baseball to be suspended for violating MLB's new steroid policy. It's especially notable for two reasons:
*"Raffy" is ninth on the all-time list for career home runs, and is one of only four players to have 500 homers and 3,000 hits in his career.
*On March 17, 2005, Palmeiro had categorically told a U.S. House committee that he had never used steroids.
Newslink: (AP/Yahoo!)
I'm an admin, but I didn't want to put it on the template without comments.—Dale Arnett 18:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rafael Palmeiro 

message: The ITN section is getting a little long, maybe we could drop Michaëlle Jean? Ddye 23:03, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too long? 

message: Jack Abramoff, a key figure in the ethics investigations into...
Is he an investigator or a suspect in the investigations? It isn't clear. --Dtcdthingy 22:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abramoff 

message: What's with the Lufthansa plane?  --Merovingian (t) (c) 20:00, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
: I suppose we could use the image from the banner in http://www.flyhelios.com/ (although it would be fair use, which some feel isn't appropriate for the main page). -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 20:10, August 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Lufthansa plane is a 737-300, just like the downed Helios plane, so it's illustrative.  I don't think we should be using fair use images on the main page.--Pharos 20:20, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the image is PD, I edited out the lufthansa writing and symbols. Does anyone thing this image would be better? Dmn  € Դմն 20:24, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know... nice effort, but it might be a little misleading to pretend that it's not a Lufthansa plane, and to give the impression that it might be the Helios plane.--Pharos 20:30, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airline 

message: The following section on the disengagement is no longer accurate:
:Israel begins its unilateral disengagement from the Gaza Strip.
Israel began the disengagement on the 15th, this is already the beginning of Day 4 of the disengagement see the headline at [www.haaretz.com]
A better sentence might be "The Israeli military continues forcibly evacuating Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip as part of the disengagement plan.
GabrielF 00:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Gabriel, that would be an appropriate change for you to make. Pedant 02:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disengagement blurb should be updated 

message: Just wanna point out that "(right)" next to Sergei K. Krikalev no longer applies, and needs to be removed. And also, the wrong image file was Mprotected. :Image:Flag of Western Sahara.png is on ITN right now, not the protected :Image:800px-Flag of Western Sahara.png. Please fix. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 07:12, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Evil Monkey∴Hello 07:18, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great. I would hate to see another dirty picture sneaking in onto the Main Page. Thanks !  -- 199.71.174.100 07:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image use on ITN 

message: It might be best to alter this to "broke the record for the most days spent in space", as:
a) if this stays up longer, the number will be wrong, since he's broken his previous record by another day; and
b) per Jim Oberg here, it seems that technically he doesn't "set" a new record (as opposed to simply beating the old one) until the old one's exceeded by 10% (which seems a bit picky to me, but there you go). Shimgray 18:58, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sergi Krikalev 

message: L'Equipe is a 'sports newspaper, not a cycling paper. They cover all sorts of sports, including cycling. Please change this. --Zantastik talk 16:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in Lance Armstrong text ! 

message: I've added interwiki links to all 10K Wikipedias with an analogue to ITN.  The interwiki is only visible when looking directly at the template, thanks to the new <noinclude> tag (see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Interlanguage links in templates).--Pharos 18:08, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Interwiki links

message: Could we please stop acting like children?   If someone has added an item, respect his/her judgment and wait until it falls off the bottom of the page rather than removing it. (FWIW I think both the Chavez and Tibet stories are reasonable additions, but it's not worth edit-warring about). Mark1 03:31, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add restore add restore add restore... 

message: Katrina now has its own article Hurricane Katrina (2005). If it really threatens to be something much worse, it may get the main article. CrazyC83 16:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which it has. It is now Hurricane Katrina. The (2005) addition is a redirect now. CrazyC83 18:14, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please update the ITN blurb for Katrina to reflect the new casualty count. --Titoxd 05:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Katrina 

message: The current map is pretty useless as it is. Nobody can make out any detail. It just looks like some mixture of blue, orange, and black lines. Can we get the picture enlarged, replaced with another one, or done away with entirely.--Will2k 19:55, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
*As the person who uploaded that image, I agree.  BTW, you can read it easily at full scale in the article.--Pharos 19:58, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map of the bridge 

message: I think the Mandala airlines flight disaster in Indonesia should be displayed above the Rehnquist replacement. It is an ongoing event with over 150 dead, and seems of higher notability than Roberts' nomination. --Cyberjunkie | Talk 03:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ITN items go in chronological order, not order of significance. — Dan | Talk 03:50, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They happened on the same day.--nixie 03:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: If that were so, then why was Huricane Katrina listed above the bridge stampede (not that I don't think it shouldn't have been)?--Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I initially put the bridge stampede below Katrina because the hurricane was just about to make landfall and had not hit yet.  I support putting the Mandala crash above Roberts, and will do so now if there is no objection.--Pharos 04:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Done.--Pharos 04:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of precedence

message: Hurricane Katrina is now the bottom-listed article on ITN (of, unusually, a six-item listing) and thus on the brink of removal. But  I wonder whether anyone is going to be brave enough to follow SOP and bump it off when the time comes and, in any case, whether that would be the right move. Perhaps we should (exceptionally, and at the risk of setting a precedent) bump off the second-lowest story -- currently, Typhoon Talim? –Hajor 17:13, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it still in the news? Yes.  Therefore it should be on "In the news".  Remove a story that's no longer in the news.  smoddy 17:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Katrina's front-page listing

message: Yulia Tymoshenko is a woman, so it was her cabinet, not his! – Kpalion (talk) 09:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, see Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine.  The Cabinet is responsible to the President, and the Prime Minister is considered a member of the Cabinet.--Pharos 12:38, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps change it to "Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko dismisses most of his cabinet, including Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, amid accusations of corruption."? That way it's clear the "his cabinet" refers to him - as it is, it does look like it could be her cabinet and we messed up the pronouns, if your're not previously aware of the structure. Shimgray 13:18, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea; I've changed it to your wording.--Pharos 13:26, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yulia Tymoshenko 

message: The link in  to "mismanagement" (in Hurricane Katrina) leads to "Bush administration". Is this entirely NPOV? Thincat 10:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mismanagement 

message: It's only 87 seats, not 88. http://odin.dep.no/krd/html/valgresultat2005/frameset.html AP:61 + SV:15 + SP:11 = 87 demo 07:59, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Evil Monkey∴Hello 08:03, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Election in Norway 

message: I wonder if we might want to encourage a style where the primary, bolded article is generally placed at the start of an entry.  I think this approach might make ITN a bit easier to scan at a glance.  Here's a comparison of the different approaches:
* In Norway, the Red-Green Coalition wins the 2005 parliamentary election, taking 87 of 169 seats in the Storting.
* Around 3000 petrol stations in the UK run dry after panic-buying caused by fuel protests.
* Israel completes its disengagement from the Gaza Strip.
* FEMA director Michael D. Brown resigns amid criticism of his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in the United States.  He is replaced by R. David Paulison.
* Norgwegian parliamentary election: the Red-Green Coalition wins, taking 87 of 169 seats in the Storting.
* UK fuel protests fuel panic-buying, causing 3000 petrol stations to run dry.
* Israeli disengagement from the Gaza Strip is complete.
* Michael D. Brown, director of FEMA, resigns amid criticism of his handling of the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in the United States.  He is replaced by R. David Paulison.
Of course, this shouldn't be a foolish rule when it could create an awkward wording, but simply a style guidline.  What's the general thought on this?--Pharos 23:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It would look quite different displayed on the Main Page, as there will almost always be at least one line of text vertically separating the starts of entries, even on large monitors.  Cut-and-paste and preview on the Main Page to see what I mean; do you still see the same aesthetic problem?  I think it looks more organized without appearing blocklike as it does displayed above.  Of course, it is not rare to have double the number of entries up as we have currently.--Pharos 23:37, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what it looks like from messing around with DYK, and I do prefer them to be distributed through the text. Also what would happen in the case of two bolded terms like the current Katrina item?--nixie 23:42, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it makes sense for DYK to have a more conversational style (I mean it is, "Did you know..."), but with ITN I think it might make sense for a little more regularity.  What we have here I think is an extreme iceberg situation.  Wikipedia is a 100 story skyscaper full of people, and there's just a handful on the roof running the elevators.  Considering the page view statistics, we're surpassing almost every news website, but it's clear only a tiny percentage of readers ever edit at all or understand anything about Wikipedia.  When so very many people are coming here to read "headlines", I think ITN should just be as clear and simple at a glance as possible.  As for the situation of two bolded items, I would just recommend putting the more important first.--Pharos 00:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm dubious -- wary of the encroaching Powerpontification of written discourse as a general rule, and I'd be particularly ill disposed towards using fragments instead of full grammatical sentences (see Israel, above), but what the heck. Why don't we go live with it for 24 hours, see if our readers respond massively either in favour or against, revert to the old format tomorrow at this time and meet back here for further discussion? –Hajor 00:48, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style of entries 

message: Can I suggest that we remove the UK petrol panic item, since filling stations are back to normal and the rolling roadblocks are not even a major story in the UK any more, let alone internationally?  If no one objects, I'll remove it myself. --Heron 18:44, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it out, to balance the MainPage, as the right side appeared longer than the left. -- PFHLai 22:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petrol blockades 

message: why are the german liberals (more votes than the greens or the left party) not mentioned? NOTE german liberal = NOT american liberal. Aleichem 23:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything this item needs to be shortened, it is far too long and unbalancing the main page.--nixie 00:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: this is a better solution, but CDU gets 3 seats more than SPD. Aleichem 07:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I've updated it on the ambiguous current situation.--Pharos 17:12, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: german elections

message: I don't know if I'll revert this just yet, but the death of Simon Wiesenthal does not meet our obituary criteria.  Certainly his life's mission was very notable, but his death in itself is not a major event.--Pharos 17:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Deaths have been featured on "in the news" before and I think this one is major enough.  I've restored it but left Rita as the main news item. Gamaliel 18:48, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simon Wiesenthal 

message: How do I remove the Iraq War link on the front page?  The story about the two british soldiers has been removed from that article.  It doesn't fit there, since it is far too soon to assume it is an important encyclopedic event in the war.  Is there some current events page that should be linked to instead?--Silverback 10:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's removed. -- PFHLai 17:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  how do I remove the Iraq War link? 

message: DeLay's name is incorrectly capitalized at the present moment. NatusRoma 18:09, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --fvw<SMALL>*</SMALL> 18:15, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tom Delay should be Tom DeLay

message: "New Zealand general election: Helen Clark of the Labour Party returns for a third term as Prime Minister."
The new Government still hasn't been formed, so she hasn't officially returned for a third term as Prime Minister yet. The statement above is for news that has is probable, if not certain, but which has not yet occured.
According to Current events "she is set to form a third-term government after the National's lose a seat" and according to Current events in Australia and New Zealand she "must now confirm minor party support to form the new government".  i c u r i t e 01:18, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand General Election 

message: Could the image of the gorilla (as fascinating as it is) be replaced by either :Image:2005 Bali bombings SCTV screenshot.jpg or :Image:Bali blast 2005.jpg, or even :Image:Indonesia flag large.png? There's a pretty decent article on the incident going now, and it should feature as our leading event, picture and all.--Cyberjunkie | Talk 04:38, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[2005 Bali bombings]]

message: Can we get some info up now? — Sverdrup 18:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobel Prizes 2005

message: 2005 South Asia earthquake was moved to 2005 Kashmir earthquake, so please change the template to reflect the move and remove the redirect. Titoxd(?!?) 07:19, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Evil Monkey∴Hello 07:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope I haven't exceeded my authority in changing the News template, but it looks bad to have the headline disagreeing with the full article.  Also, for the sake of our own credibility, I think we should stick to the confirmed death toll and not display the most pessimistic estimate available. --Heron 11:41, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The current casualty count listed in the article's "Confirmed Casualties" section is: "At least 40,000 people had been killed and 42,397 people had been hurt", Pakistani Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao said.  Since this is only in Pakistan, You all may want to raise the headline to 40,000. Ahseaton 05:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Pakistani officials have sharply raised their estimate of the death toll to more than 54,000.   - Ahseaton 07:41, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2005 Kashmir earthquake]] 

message: Angela Merkel will not lead a "jamaika coalition" (part of that coalition are the "black" party CDU, the green party and the liberal "yellow" party FDP; the article is in the point of the coalitions parts correct). The coalition of CDU and SPD called "great coalition", because CDU/CSU and SPD are the traditionel strongest parties in Germany.
:In English, a CDU/SPD coalition as in the 1960s is usually described as a "Grand Coalition". -- Arwel 16:32, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: German coalition

message: The statement is unclear in that it seems to indicate that four days have already passed, when it is possible that they will not be in orbit for four days.
Shenzhou 6 has landed and the astronauts are reported in good health. - Ahseaton 22:02, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shenzhou 6 

message: Is it just me, or is the news content backwards, with the most recent on the bottom? I need a sysop to please fix this, or tell me this is a false alarm (I'm pretty darn sure it's not though). We should also discuss how to prevent this from happening again. HereToHelp 22:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Backwards

message: I'm sure this has been dealt with, but I was wondering if someone could explain why there are no references to news sources (e.g. BBC, CNN, whatever) in the ITN section.  One has to go to the "More current events..." section for these details.  Is it not appropriate to reference them in the ITN template also, or at least indicate that further information (not just "More") can be found on the "More current events..." page?  Cheers, Ben Cairns 12:32, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we'd rather advertise our own articles than those on other sites.  The ones on current events are there both for further reading and as a reference.  violet/riga (t) 19:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Understandable, but aren't articles about current events typically based on other news reports?  Anyway, it occurs to me that these are just headlines and there's no need for attribution on headlines.  Thanks for the response! Ben Cairns 09:00, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References? 

message: Hey guys, can we find some other way to describe this page than ITN? ITN here may mean In The News but elsewhere, particularly in the media, it is the name of an internationally known broadcasting organisation Independent Television News that broadcasts ITV News and Channel 4 News in the UK (Five, I think also) and is used all around the world. I know some people in the broadcasting world are slightly miffed (understatement) that we are using a registered broadcaster's acronym. 
Some people here thought that when they see ITN here it means that we are using their wire service. Others in the real ITN have had people blame them for errors we've had (or not so much errors as badly worded information). Right now it is just a few people I've come across who are miffed, but if we get something seriously wrong and it shows up in google searches with the acronym ITN it could be made an issue of. When a page has CNN, BBC, ABC, RTÉ etc on it, it is rather inadvisable to use ITN on the same page. In that context who can blame people for thinking it is Independent Television News and not merely our own inhouse acronym for our own page. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 00:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we use Template:News instead? It doesn't seem useful in its current form. (btw Five News is now produced by BSkyB. Not that you can tell any difference in quality). Dmn  € Դմն 14:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good idea. Another option might be News this Week. But ITN is probably something that should be avoided. Obviously though I am lucky in Ireland to miss the "delights" of Five and its news bulletins! I heard that they are pretty bad alright! They make the Sun seem like the Guardian in comparison. Apparently ITN may lose the Channel 4 News franchise too! Man, how far ITN has dropped since it started dumbing down when ITV bought into it in the 1990s. I blame Thatcher and her stupid vindictive liberalisation of broadcasting. Now it is money and tabloid standard, not quality and broadsheet, that matters. (That's my hobbyhorse for the day done!) FearÉIREANN\(caint) 15:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: ITN

message: The template needs to be updated. the top story right now is Wilma's effect on Mexico and the impending impact on Florida. Another thing that needs to be included is UN report on Syria and US's opinion on it. Even the Saddam trial item needs to be updated to mention the security aspects, the abduction and killing of Saddam's lawyer. Another story that could be mentioned is the burning of bodies of Taliban fighters by US troops and its impact. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 10:33, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs to be updated 

message: The blurb about Hurricane Wilma needs to be changed from "approach" to "made landfall"--GraemeMcRaetalk 15:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilma needs update