Talk:Akaka Bill

message: Simplified the intro.  Please respond with any issues with that edit here.  Mahalo. --JereKrischel 03:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #1

message: Actually discussed the proposed provisions with direct reference to the text of the bill.  Probably needs a bit of give and take when discussing either support for, or opposition to specific whereas clauses in the bill, or interpretations of specific sections. --JereKrischel 03:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #2

message: Adjusted support section...need URL references for claims of specific support of specific groups (getting their actual statements online would be nice, but magazine and news page citations would be fine).
We might want to think of avoiding arguments directly inline - arguing against something that wasn't brought up in the first place seems odd.  Similarly, extensive quotes seem like a bad idea - we could quote the USCCR extensively right next to Bennett, and it would get messy. --JereKrischel 03:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I started work based on that baseline, please help me understand any objections you may have to the individual fixes I've been making.  Mahalo! --JereKrischel 04:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #3

message: As per Arjuna's request, we're working from the baseline presented.  Fix #4 includes some reorganization of material.  Specific issues with the reorganization can be discussed here. --JereKrischel 03:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removal of Akaka's quotes from the NPR interview seems inappropriate - what context do you think is missing, Arjuna?  Why do you think it is POV pushing to cite Akaka's own words, attributed to him directly?  Do you think NPR made an inappropriate quote of him? --JereKrischel 20:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: According to Arjuna, Akaka's interview with NPR is "unflattering" and "unfair".  I'm not quite sure how it is particularly unflattering - pro-independence folk will see it as very high minded, and anti-independence folk will see it as nefarious: Whether or not it is "flattering" seems to be based on the POV of the reader, which tend to indicate that the quote itself is neutral.  --JereKrischel 20:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Now, whether or not it is flattering or unflattering, NPR seems to me to be a generally accepted reliable source, and so long as we properly attribute the statements, there should be no objection to including them. Perhaps you could simply add other statements from Akaka to balance the section in a way you see fit? --JereKrischel 20:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #4

message: Moved citation of Honolulu Advertiser article to pro-akaka links - the Honolulu Advertiser board is staunchly pro-Akaka bill, and the article cited is not neutral. --JereKrischel 03:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #5

message: Reorganized references section, removing ones not directly related to the Akaka Bill, and organizing those which were from Akaka's own website. Probably need to move these references to ref format, and link them to the text they refer to. --JereKrischel 04:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #6

message: Moved a bunch of references up to the text in proper ref format.  Please double check my work, there are a few references left that don't seem to fit anywhere in the text - we probably want to add text where applicable. --JereKrischel 04:15, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fix #7