Talk:The Final Countdown (song)

message: rapper Chamillionaire sampled it on his song Industry Groupie on his sophmore album Ultimate Victory.74.67.156.111 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 06:28, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable cover version?

message: Some fool added a sentence about it being the greatest song ever that I removed.
The song is also used somewhat as the "official song" of the Greek basketball team Aris
of Thessaloniki. It is being played every time Aris wins a mach, a cup at.
Should I add it? panosfidis
: Why not? They have a trivia list where it fits.
BTW. There is a duplicate mention on Detroit Pistons in the trivia list.
somebody might want to add what this song's actually about... it has some interesting lyrics about leaving and all that
Cover version
Once I heard a cover which was played with party cornets. It was really comic (and good too).
Do you know who played that?
Trivia regarding this song: "The Final Countdown" by Europe is a reoccurring song in the television show "Arrested Development." Every time G.O.B. (George Oscar Bluth II), played by Will Arnett, performs his magic show, this song is played as his stage music. (I don't know if this type of information is of interest to readers.)
The Final Meltdown This cover is unknown to Google. Searching for "The Final Meltdown", with or without "Jay Mann", finds no relevant results. Suggest this is some weird in joke, and recommend deleting it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlan879 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fool

message: Fuck! I have a cover by Deep Purple and Children Of Bodom also. If it's not Children of Bodom, then who the fuck was that? I still have the song. The vocals and everything are so much like Children Of Bodom. Do some research on that guys. Also see if Deep Purple did that. I have that one too.
Deep Purple?? – Aphasia83 15:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covers 

message: I'm pretty sure that TFC was the theme song for the winning candidate in the US presidential elections '88 (Bush Sr.). I came here looking for info on that, but it's missing. Can't find any good sources right now. Anyone got better info? clacke 10:39, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US presidential election 

message: What is the reason why someone deleted all trivia data
thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.22.190.74 (talk) 18:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because Trivia sections are discouraged by Wikipedia. If the information is important enough to be included in the article, it should be placed somewhere in the main paragraphs. 76.21.8.213 (talk) 05:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  All Trivia Gone? 

message: i'm pretty sure there never was such a thing. Google shows nothing of it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.97.49 (talk) 02:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best Worst Metal Songs Ever? 

message: where is pop rock in this single?? have you ever heard On broken wings?? Europe were GLAM METAL.. and nothing else.
80.180.211.50 (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POP ROCK?? 

message: This article states the song to have been the UK number one single on November 30, 1986. However, if you check the List of number-one singles from the 1980s (UK)#1986 you will find that the song was number one for two weeks from December 6. If this is correct, the succession box need to be updated to December 6 - December 13, 1986. If you look at the preceeding and succeeding songs you see that this is not an isolated problem, however those two songs are only 4 days off when compared to the listing. (62.119.40.134 (talk) 19:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK singles date??? 

message: This article does not adequately satisfy the Good Artice Critia to be promoted for the following reasons:
*The lead does not accurately summarize the article, as per WP:LEAD.
*Overall, the article has some serious grammar issues.
*The article is missing key information, and contains at least one paragraph consisting of only one sentence (Live performances).
*"One of the most memorable performances of the song took place in Stockholm, Sweden on December 31, 1999, as part of the Millennium celebrations" Why is this memorable? It is randomly introduced.
*"When the music video was released it received heavy airplay on music television all over the world which helped drawing attention to the album The Final Countdown." According to whom? As this statement stands, it violates WP:OR and does not assert any reliable sources. See Superunknown or Run to You (song) which both doesn't have sources for this.
*The quote in the "Origin and recording" section is absolutely enormous and doesn't add anything to the article. 
*The "Reception" section doesn't mention anything about the response of notable music critics. I honestly can't understand what purpose it serves at the moment, to tell you the truth. 
A significant amount of work is needed before the article is ready to be resubmitted to the GAC process. NSR77 TC 16:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Article Review - Failing

message: Contrary to the assertion that Children of Bodom have never covered the song, the group's drummer, Raska W. Raatikainen, has posted an mp3 of the song on the Drummerworld website.
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Jaska_Raatikainen.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.155.229.117 (talk) 09:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children of Bodom? 

message: I believe GOB BLUTH uses this song for his magic show  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.180.47.110 (talk) 03:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  arrested devolpment reference 

message: YouTube, has a music video of SPSP, singing to this exact same song. --WhiteInKnights (talk) 17:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  SpongeBobSquarePants. 

message: Does anyone here have any evidence of this parody? If not, i may need to add a citation needed note. 68.145.184.124 (talk) 01:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Financial meltdown? 

message: There are been too many unjustified changes regarding the genre of this song. I'll make things clear: unless a reliable source is provided, symphonic metal can't be accepted as a genre. These edits, repeated in time, will be systematically undone. If anyone has a different opinion, please express it here. Please note the WP:3RR FateForger (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On Broken Wings & The Final Countdown are definitely not 'Glam-Metal' songs. they sound nothing like it. on broken wings is power/speed metal & the final countdown is symphonic metal. and Europe were a heavy metal band Val hallen 16:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Again. Do you have any reliable evidence to support this case? Just hearing it is not sufficient.--SabreBD (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is evidence of what a symphony might be, not symphonic rock and not that it applies to this song.--SabreBD (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Things need sources when they are contested. iTunes is not a reliable source and even if it was the designation of "metal" is not "symphonic metal", but more likely to mean heavy metal - which I have restored.--SabreBD (talk) 13:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The song is not Heavy metal; it is hard rock, maybe symphonic rock/metal. Toa Nidhiki05 16:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just stating a view does not get us very far. Some evidence from reliable sources might be helpful. I note that the symphonic metal article indicates that the genre did not emerge until the mid-90s. However, it is largely unsourced and if there is reliable evidence that it existed before a much more important task would be to sort out that article.--SabreBD (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is simply a rock song with certain electronic music elements. 24.222.240.39 (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symphonic metal 

message: THIS SONG IS NOT GLAM METAL, LISTEN TO HEART OF STONE TO GET THE IDEA...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.133.166 (talk) 12:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NOT GLAM METAL 

message: watch this movie and listen to its soundtrack/theme song to get the idea what "Symphonic- Metal" really is  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.72.133.180 (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Cyborg Steel Warrior 

message: This song is not metal. Yes, it is rock, but not metal. Why is this user changing it to something like Synth metal, when it does not have the heaviness of a typical metal song? In my opinion, this song is simply rock, and I wish people would leave it alone. Please discuss, whether you agree or not, and then we can have somewhat of a vote. 24.222.240.39 (talk) 15:55, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As can be seen above, the genres in the infobox have been much contested on this article. They are  being warred over again. I am going to restore the status quo anti (editors should be aware that some are dangerously close to infringing the WP:3RR) and endorse the request that editors find a consensus here (please note that votes are not how Wikipedia works). The guidelines make it clear that genres should be based on evidence, so please bring evidence not just argument to this debate.--SabreBD (talk) 11:42, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synth metal? 

message: I think it might be categorizable as progressive rock. I find it comparable to the works of Asia. AmericanLeMans (talk) 02:33, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive Rock 

message: As I recall, this song was played live on the final episode of the Australian TV show Countdown, which was a music TV show hosted by Ian Molly Meldrum for more than 10 years.  While this song was not written for the TV show, it was nonetheless prominently played on the final episode of the show, which Europe had appeared on live previously.  For Australian music fans, this song will be forever linked with the TV show of the same name, as the song was only released in Australia a few weeks prior to the final episode of Countdown.  
Not sure where to put that in the article, or if there are any links that prove this, but I do remember this at the time and it seems to belong somewhere. Mister Sneeze A Lot (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Countdown]] TV show link 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I wish to remove the content regarding Blender's listing of the song on two "Worst Songs Ever" list, as it is obviously biased and appealing to a demographic. --73.123.30.85 (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't remove it, please. Wikipedia's policy of WP:Neutral point of view supports this article summarizing negative material about the song. Binksternet (talk) 15:40, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why is it called the "neutral point of view" policy if summarizing negative material is okay? --2601:199:4181:E00:7C26:D205:B41B:1C53 (talk) 21:32, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You would want to ask that question at WT:NPOV. My guess is that a negative review is still a published assessment, and what we are supposed to be doing here is summarizing for the reader the various things that have been published about the song. Binksternet (talk) 22:03, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Neutral_point_of_view#Problem_with_Final_Countdown_page), but no one replied. --73.123.30.85 (talk) 06:54, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The removal of biased content 

message: The list does not explain why the songs are bad, it just complains about them. The part of it about "We Built This City" is just the writer bashing "evil corporate rock" and obviously showing his preference for indie/alternative music and hatred for "mainstream" music. And judging by interviews, the writer of the list, Craig Marks, does not know the meaning of the song (he doesn't know who Guglielmo Marconi is) and takes misheard lyrics too seriously.
--2601:199:4181:E00:215D:3270:8F94:4140 (talk) 23:05, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You removed the whole paragraph summarizing two WP:Reliable sources saying the song is bad, including Blender magazine and Chron. Our job here is to summarize the literature about the topic, and these two bad reviews are part of that. It is NOT our job to judge whether the Blender writer is wrong. Binksternet (talk) 23:08, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if it's a "reliable source", then actually read the list, see if he's just complaining, and prove me wrong. --2601:199:4181:E00:215D:3270:8F94:4140 (talk) 00:57, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the guy's opinion. There's no way to "prove" it wrong. Since Blender is a major music publication, the opinion article is part of the literature. Binksternet (talk) 02:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You meant was a major music publication. One who's reviewers let their bias show through, yet was praised for being "cool" anyway. And yes, there are ways to "prove" opinions wrong. --2601:199:4181:E00:215D:3270:8F94:4140 (talk) 02:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still a music publication but in online-only format. Negative opinions from music critics should not be removed because you don't like them. It's a violation of WP:NPOV, one of Wikipedia's pillars. Binksternet (talk) 15:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with , because Blender is major online-only music publication, i don't think that any source from the publisher is wrong. 110.137.166.20 (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  does not realize that Blender is no longer a publication (not even online), and that the website now links to a site selling blenders. Plus, Blender's reviewers failed at providing legitimate criticism, they only bashed the song (and others on the list) for being a glam metal song. Their bias makes me embarrassed to think that our first amendment allowed free speech and freedom of the press. And why is it called WP:NPOV if it allows quack negative criticism to be mentioned? WP:NPOV should define legitimate criticism as just that and not bashing like in the Blender list --174.255.66.157 (talk) 16:42, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Blender published their piece back in 2004 (according to Chron), back when Blender was still working. It doesn't matter that Blender folded afterward; it's still a reliable source. This is like when an actor or a film gets nominated for a Razzie Award; it may not make sense to you, but it becomes part of the literature about the topic. Binksternet (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we reach a consensus to determine whether or not Blender used legitimate criticism. And how about you actually listen to the song and determine it as awful? --2601:199:4181:E00:38BE:60A5:11AE:9B76 (talk) 19:43, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to discuss about this in Reliable Source noticeboard or Neutral Point of View pages. I think  opens the discussions at one of those page. 110.137.166.20 (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:BIASEDSOURCES, sources don't require to be neutral to be included in a Wikipedia article. Blender is already considered a reliable source under WP:RSMUSIC and did not simply publish negative lists ("The 10 Greatest Pop-Metal Albums of the '80s", "500 Greatest Songs Since You Were Born", "500 CDs You Must Own Before You Die", "The Top 50 Geniuses of Pop Music",...) Synthwave.94 (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blender list is biased, not factual, and should be non-notable