Talk:Democrats for Life of America

message: There needs to be a clear standard for inclusion here.  Some of those previously included have very mixed records.  Of those I've removed, I think Stephen Lynch and Mike Michaud could arguably be included.  I've left Mike Ross in, but I'm not sure he should be.  Also, there are apparently two somewhat pro-life new congressmen from Pennsylvania- Altmire and Carney.  I think we'll have to wait to see what there voting record looks like before including them.  Gabrielthursday 20:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, no.  Take a look at the "what is excluded" section of WP:OR.  This is merely gleaning information from the public record.  Gabrielthursday 05:29, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Listed Democrats

message: If you are new to this discussion, please view the 2004 Democratic Party Platform before commenting.  The relevant information is found on page 38 of the document's printed page numbers, which corresponds to page 42 of the PDF's page numbers.  Joie de Vivre 23:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The 2004 Democratic Party platform

message: Joie, you keep changing the line about a woman's right to have an abortion to the wikilinked woman's right to choose.  Woman's right to choose redirects to prochoice.  Prochoice is a political philosophy.  DFLA does not oppose women or men holding any political view point they want.  The more accurate statement is a woman's right to have an abortion.
Also, in the same section, you say DFLA strongly advocates on legislation to make abortion illegal.  If you look at their website, you will not find them supporting any such legislation.  They only legislation they support on there is the Pregnant Women Support Act which does not even restrict abortions, much less prohibit them. --Briancua 01:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See, now we're getting somewhere.  Good job rewording the paragraph, Briancua.  -- Joie de Vivre 04:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikilink

message: After coming here due to a plea posted on Wikipedia:Third opinion and reading the discussion above, as well as the article, I'm not sure I'm seeing the problem. In my opinion, it's fine to quote the Democratic Party's official position on abortion for the purpose of contrast to DFLA's position - but not in the lead section, the next section is OK.  I also think the DFLA's position should be stated more clearly in the lead section (more than just being "opposed" to the party line). I get the feeling that I'm missing something here. If the issue hasn't been resolved, please explain both positions succinctly in a neutral way. Thanks. =Axlq 06:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

message: The sentence "The Democrats For Life of America's anti-abortion stance places the group at odds with the stated platform of the Democratic Party." does not belong in the article. It is poorly worded. The phrases used in the sentence are too similar to that of an opinion. Also, just using the term Democratic Party and not DNC, implies that the DNC is the only Democratic party in the country, which is untrue. Democratic parties operate on local levels in the country and the local parties stances do not always match that of the DNC. It also should be noted that the user who insists on putting this sentence in is biased, as in evidenced by the fact that the user only put in information where the DFLA was in disagreement with the DNC and not on the many issues where they agree on. This was clearly done to portray either the Democratic party or Pro-life people in a negative way. 75.2.253.88 23:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are aware of the ways in which the DFLA agrees with the DNC, you are free to add that information.  I would not object to such an addition if it were made.  I certainly do disagree with the wholesale deletion of useful material, rather than the addition of whatever material people feel is missing.  I am not familiar enough to make such an addition; I can't add information I don't have.  If something is missing, please add it, rather than deleting useful material.  Joie de Vivre 01:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: While you were complaining about me, I added a paragraph highlighting the basic differences between the DFLA and the national Democratic Party.  I think it looks pretty good, but I invite you to take a look.  Joie de Vivre 01:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about one sentence 

message: I think Joie is very mistaken about what this article about. Joie seems to believe that the stance of the DNC is the most relevent thing to this article. The history and actions of the Democrats for Life are more relevent to this article than the stances of the DNC. Joie is failing to use logic. The the title of the page is "Democrats for Life", therefore that organization should be the main focus. 75.3.55.12 03:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree.  This section is placed far to highly.  I tried to move it down, but Joie reverted my efforts. --Briancua 05:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree that it should be buried further down in the article.  As long as the DFLA uses the word "Democrats" in their name, it is important to clarify what the Democratic Party stands for.  Joie de Vivre 06:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The national Democratic Party can hardly be described just as "another Democratic party organization".  It is the very source of the DFLA's name.  I am quickly growing weary of going in circles with this.  Joie de Vivre 06:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevency 

message: Someone removed the list, claiming they were not related to the group. The list exists to show that pro-life Democrats are really a minority, but they have some important figures. In a way or another they are related to Democrats for Life of America, like it or not, for obvious reasons.85.242.237.64 (talk) 20:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro-Life Democratic Congressmen and Governors

message: It seems to me that the opening sentence Democrats for Life of America (DFLA) is an advocacy group in the United States attempting to reshape the political left, primarily the Democratic Party, into taking a pro-life position does not come from the group's self-description at http://www.democratsforlife.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=45&Itemid=49.  The strongest language used there - 'promote a pro-life plank in the Democratic Party platform' and 'achieve pro-life legislation', which is not really the same as 'reshape the political left, primarily the Democratic Patry, into taking a pro-life position', is towards the bottom of the mission statement.  This makes the opening sentence here a bit tendentious.  --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So fix it! You're correct -- without reliable sources describing the DFLA as "attempting to reshape the political left", it's not right for Wikipedia. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  question about another sentence 

message: Shouldn't there be an info box with the logo and leaders and dates and stuff? 75.118.170.35 (talk) 02:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox?

message: I restaured the list in the Talk Page, until someone decided to start a more general article.
Governors
#Joe Manchin of West Virginia 
#Bill Ritter of Colorado 
U.S. Senators
# Ben Nelson of Nebraska 
# Harry Reid of Nevada, Senate Majority Leader
# Mark Pryor of Arkansas 
# Bob Casey, Jr. of Pennsylvania 
U.S. Congressmen
# Jason Altmire of Pennsylvania 
# Marion Berry of Arkansas 
# Dan Boren of Oklahoma 
# Chris Carney of Pennsylvania 
# Don Cazayoux of Louisiana 
# Ben Chandler of Kentucky 
# Travis Childers of Mississippi 
# Jerry Costello of Illinois 
# Henry Cuellar of Texas 
# Lincoln Davis of Tennessee 
# Joe Donnelly of Indiana 
# Mike Doyle of Pennsylvania 
# Brad Ellsworth of Indiana 
# Baron Hill of Indiana 
# Tim Holden of Pennsylvania 
# Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania 
# Marcy Kaptur of Ohio 
# Dale Kildee of Michigan 
# Jim Langevin of Rhode Island 
# Dan Lipinski of Illinois 
# Stephen Lynch of Massachusetts 
# Jim Marshall of Georgia 
# Mike McIntyre of North Carolina 
# Mike McNulty of New York 
# Charlie Melancon of Louisiana 
# Mike Michaud of Maine 
# Alan Mollohan of West Virginia 
# John Murtha of Pennsylvania 
# Jim Oberstar of Minnesota 
# Solomon Ortiz of Texas 
# Collin Peterson of Minnesota 
# Nick Rahall of West Virginia 
# Mike Ross of Arkansas 
# Tim Ryan of Ohio 
# Heath Shuler of North Carolina 
# Ike Skelton of Missouri 
# Bart Stupak of Michigan 
# Gene Taylor of Mississippi 
# Charlie Wilson of Ohio
81.193.223.185 (talk) 21:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One hit on Google. It was near the word "psicological". ABC will broadcast the 2009 Scripps National Spelling Bee championship rounds. Coverage begins tonight at 8 p.m. EDT. APK lives in a very, very Mad World 08:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Pro-Life Democratics

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