Talk:Diane Downs

message: The 1982 song was cited by the prosecution but I not sure what the judge's verdict on it was. I think it was played to the jury though - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Sacrifices  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.210.174 (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: The song Hungry Like The Wolf by British band Duran Duran

message: Diane Downs was pregnant with her fourth child at the time of the crime and her trial.  What happened to her fourth child? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talk • contribs) 27:52, December 10, 2008
:She gave birth shortly after being convicted. Downs named the girl Amy. She was given up for adoption and has since changed her name. Google for: Diane+Downs+pregnant for plenty of references. This info should be added to the article at some point, I just haven't had the time. Katr67 (talk) 05:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pregnancy 

message: The article says that one died but does not state which child. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.45.206 (talk) 12:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The article lists which two children survived, so a reader could figure out that is the seven-year-old girl Cheryl who died, but it should be written up a little better. Also, we should add whether or not the poor girl died instantly or lingered in a coma before succumbing to her injuries. --ErinHowarth (talk) 22:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which child died? 

message: In regard to Christie Downs' testimony, according to Ann Rule's book, which contains the verbatim testimony, Christie did not testify that she saw her mother shoot herself in the arm. Thoughts? Maybe that section needs to be reworked. Sdsures (talk) 18:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ann Rule 

message: Diane Downs still maintains that she is innocent, and claiming that her daughter was afraid of her is subjective and unverifiable. Please read Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. ~~Exaybachay~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exaybachay (talk • contribs) 18:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (Edit conflict) User:Exaybachay Diane Downs was found guilty in a court of law. All the reliable sources show her guilt and her daughters reactions when she saw her mother. We depend on reliable sources and in this matter the sources are described correctly thus no WP:BLP problems. I hope this helps. Happy editing, --CrohnieGalTalk 19:21, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the reply! Upon reflection I agree that adding "alleged" is not appropriate, though I think "convicted" should be added in its place. As for the other edit, that her heart rate jumped is an objective and verifiable thing -- that "her eyes glazed over with fear" is editorial. If that is a quote from a source, it should be referenced. If it is not a quote, the language should be changed to remove something that could only be inferred. Exaybachay (talk) 03:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral Point of View 

message: Not sure what the deal is here and don't really care to know. Can ANY material being added, please just include a citation, or better yet, bring it here first and discuss? Thank you in advance. --Tom (talk) 23:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ps, a bunch of material is cited to a dead link, can this be improved or removed? TIA --Tom (talk) 23:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If a dead link is present, be sure to check if http://archive.org has it. If it does, link through that, otherwise delete the URL. —EncMstr (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never done/use that before, I am so dam lazy, but I guess this old dog could learn a new trick :) thanks, --Tom (talk) 23:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The information about Danny and Kristie that was removed in the aftermath can be returned through using Ann Rule's book Small Sacrifices. The adults (kid's) were permanently damaged and the statement was correct per Ann Rule. I'm sure there are other information out there for this, I just am not sure if it should stay or not. Also, the information being removed that you mention is an adopted child that Down's gave birth to while in jail. Someone keeps adding the girls name back in, first with no ref., then with a references but it was being removed per WP:BLP. I too would have removed this info for lack of notability plus we just shouldn't being outing an adopted child's name to a convicted murder with notability and privacy issues. Thoughts on that? --CrohnieGalTalk 11:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Crohnie, wouldn't the book be a primary source which should be avoided if possible? I am only here because I saw an edit war dispute, so I know zippo about this article. If names of living persons are involved, we/you/I should take great care in making sure ANY material that is added going forward, or currently in the article, is from 2ndary, reliable sources, and complies with BLP. Anyways, --Tom (talk) 13:30, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the book from Ann Rule would be considered a secondary source. The Ted Bundy article uses another of Ann Rules books to give information about him there. Ann Rule is a former police officer turned crime writer who is very notable in her own rights as you can see by her article. There shouldn't be a problem using her writings for verification of facts about this case IMO. Thanks, --CrohnieGalTalk 13:39, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A widely printed book with an ISBN (like Small Sacrifices). How is this not a reliable source? I believe it is... Doc9871 (talk) 13:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Sorry about MY confusion over primary vs secondary sourcing. Anyways, unless the name of any person involved with this case is widely covered by RS and is notable and is needed to improve the article, I would leave it out....anyways...--Tom (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey no problem Tom. I also agree that the name of the adopted child, now an adult, doesn't add anything to the article. It's not notable about the child since she wasn't there when Down's was murdering and attempting to murder her children. She happened after the facts and it's just not important. It's more like trivia in my opinion. Thanks everyone, --CrohnieGalTalk 17:58, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war?

message: Diane Downs made allegations of molestation against her father when she was an infant but does anyone know if she was. (WorldSeriesOfPoker500 (talk) 14:06, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Allegations of molestation

message: The article states that attornies adopted the surviving children. Where did their father Steve Downs go to? Why did he not take his children home with him? Also who is the father of Amy or now Becky and why did he not have first rights to having his child? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.250.62.193 (talk) 07:43, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the movie Small Sacrifices It says that Steve didn't seek custody because as a single father he couldn't give them the care they needed and also Becky's father identity is unknown the only person who knows his identity is Ann Rule. (WorldSeriesOfPoker500 (talk) 23:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Downs 

message: There was an article published in Glamour Magazine June 2010 Real Stories.  Very positive story about the 4th child who has had struggles and coming to term with the knowledge of her birth mother.  Rebecca Babcock was unaware of the details of her birth mother's situation until she was 16, though she knew Diane was in prison.  Interesting article .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.45.73 (talk) 12:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glamour Article written by Lisa Grace Lednicer and Eric Mason 

message: and :  I have unencumbered you from WP:3RR and WP:WAR remedies by protecting the article.  Please take the opportunity to find points of agreement and achieve consensus.  I (or any admin) will lift the protection once the disagreement is resolved.  —EncMstr (talk) 22:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed content 

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message: Downs changed her story about who shot her children and herself several times-there has to be plenty of Reliable Sources on this. Changing her tune so many times was one of the reasons detectives zeroed in on her. This info is not currently in the article.50.111.50.240 (talk) 05:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestion for improvement 

message: Who or what is Hugi? Found that name in the section about Downs' escape but no further explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:560:4239:8800:99C8:CEF3:DB36:C4C9 (talk) 07:03, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: IP editor, that is her maiden name. Prior to marriage, her name was Diane Hugi. See the infobox.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, Hugi is the lawyer Fred Hugi, who was the lead prosecutor on the case (Diane's maiden name is Frederickson). Hugi and his wife adopted Christie and Danny Downs in 1986. The article states this at the top of the aftermath section. 86.128.225.64 (talk) 19:07, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hugi? 

message: — Assignment last updated by Doorleym1 (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Writing Seminar I

message: OREGON's Juridical Small Sacrifices US Top Model Case of Professional
 Judicial Ethics regarding (Elizabeth) Diane Downs Synopsis by Franz Kurz
 (March 2016)
 http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/oregon_s_small_sacrifices_1603.pdf
 
 http://www.manipulatedtrial.de/
 
 *- Diane Downs: Child Killer or Victim of Injustice?* By Tim King
 Aug-17-2012
 Incarcerated for nearly 30 years, Downs maintains her innocence and a look
 at the case explains why.
 
 - Apr-17-2013 Midnight Meditations: Diane Downs Murder Case in Oregon; By
 Dr. Thomas Arthur Billings
 
 http://salem-news.com/articles/august032014/diane-downs-ll.php
 
 *http://salem-news.com/articles/may202013/diane-downs-series-tk.php
 <http://salem-news.com/articles/may202013/diane-downs-series-tk.php*
 
 *http://www.midnightmeditations.com/* <http://www.midnightmeditations.com/
 
 *- EXCLUSIVE:* Diane Downs Never Held a Weapon, How Could She Have Shot Her
 Kids?
 
 *http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may202013/diane-downs-series-tk.php*
 <http://www.salem-news.com/articles/may202013/diane-downs-series-tk.php
 
 *References:*
 
 [1] *DIANE DOWNS: MURDERER OR VICTIM* <http://www.dianedowns.com/
 
 {2} *A MIDNIGHT MEDITATION The Tragedy of Diane Downs -
 midnightmeditations.com*
 <http://www.midnightmeditations.com/A_Midnight_Meditation.html
 
 {3} *Former DA takes on jobs he loves - Pat Horton has retired from a
 variety of positions*
 <http://www.projects.registerguard.com/web/updates/26720234-55/horton-county-attorney-goes-case.html.csp
 
 {4} *Former deputy district attorney's conduct reviewed in four cases*
 <http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Former+deputy+district+attorney's+conduct+reviewed+in+four+cases.-a0110171526
 
 [5] *Letter to Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski - peopleagainstprisonabuse.com*
 <http://www.peopleagainstprisonabuse.com/STATES/oregon/ddownstory.html
 
 [6] *Diane Downs: Child Killer or Victim of Injustice? - Tim King
 Salem-News.com*
 <http://www.salem-news.com/articles/august172012/diane-downs-1-tk.php SherrySwiney12 (talk) 12:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional References