Talk:FBK Kaunas to Hearts

message: The 'Owner's Dream' part of this page is NPOV and non-encyclopedic, so I removed it. StuartDouglas 23:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

message: is there not an argument for saying that Deividas Česnauskis and Nerijus Barasa are type one loans as Česnauskis has not played a game for Kaunas and although Barasa played for Kaunas for a season he had spent the last 5 years playing his football in russia.  
also although Lekevicius is on loan from Kaunas he also has never kicked a ball for Kaunas. He was previously an Atlantas player.
Kennyd263 02:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Česnauskis, Barasa and Lekevicius should be termed "type 1" for the reasons stated above. Caledonian Place 19:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed - I'll move them StuartDouglas 09:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  'type 2 loans'? 

message: The opening paragraph's assertion that the arrangement is seen as a bending of the rules in some quarters is quite vague and invites the question: which rules? As I understand it, the controversy centres on two aspects of the situation:
1: SPL clubs are only allowed 4 (I think) loan transfers during a season, however international loan transfers are not covered by this ruling, being deemed "international transfers" in the first instance. Hearts are therefore able to circumvent the SPL's 4 loan rule. 
A similar international loan situation can be seen with Royal Antwerp, who currently have 5 Man United youth players on loan. Also, Arsenal have, in the past, had a similar agreement with K.S.K. Beveren.
2: UEFA doesn't allow ownership of multiple clubs involved in international competition: again it is clear that Romanov has circumvented this rule, and has influence at 3 clubs in total (Hearts, FBK Kaunas and RTZ-Ripo Minsk). Further investigation is needed as to what Romanov's holding is in each of the 3 (ie. what shareholding is held by his UBIG investment group or by other family members etc).
Roman Abramovich provides a well-chronicled example of how this is possible: the Chelsea F.C. owner sponsored CSKA Moscow through his Sibneft company to the tune of £30million over 3 seasons. This was one of the most expensive sponsorships in world football, and clearly above the market value of the sponsorship, so in affect, he was also bankrolling CSKA.
I think a referenced summary of these points would improve the article, as would a ref to back-up the weasel-worded some quarters: who exactly is saying this?  I'll see what refs I can find over the next few days.
Also, I have edited the central section. Given the numerous "examples of current players" of either type of loan included in it (14 of the total of 16), I thought the section might as well list all players loaned between the clubs since Romanov’s arrival. Similarly, I removed references to Skácel and Kingston, as neither was loaned from Kaunas, so they don’t really fall within the remit of the article. The Skácel transfer is extensively mentioned in the main Hearts article’s 2005-06 season section, while Kingston’s could be added to the 2006-07 section. Caledonian Place 02:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's all good stuff.  I've added a link to a Herald article on the loan situation.  It's not all relevant but the first couple of paragraphs in particular address the issue of hwo some people view the loophole Romanov has used. StuartDouglas 10:27, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment/changes 

message: This subject does not merit an article of its own, the fact that Hearts have had lots of players on loan from Kaunas is already mentioned in the Hearts article, and a second sentence saying that this has caused a (very mild) controversy could be added - a long list of pen pictures of the players involved is not required as a standalone article -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It was brought up before at WP:Footy but not done for some reason. I agree but it should be merged and redirected to Vladimir Romanov's ownership of Heart of Midlothian F.C. more suitable and correct location.Blethering Scot 19:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to [[Heart of Midlothian F.C.]]