Talk:Analytic hierarchy process/Archive 1

message: I think this article goes beyond suck. It looks like someones just taken a "help" file for whatever this is and shoved it through machine 
translation. Sure it can be fixed, but is that :really: what we want?
From the Edit Box: Please do not create an article to promote yourself, a website, a product, or a business 
(see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not).''
FrancisTyers 09:01, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, man, I didn't realise, just your formatting is all over the place, you need to fix up the capitalisation among other things... Perhaps it would be better if you don't know english that well to just start off with a small stub about what AHP is, rather than the whole thing...? FrancisTyers 09:45, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you would be best off starting off with 'purpose' and 'definition of AHP', and leaving out the 'in practice' stuff, at least for now... FrancisTyers 09:46, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Demokrates, sorry, I just meant to explain why I had previously put the tag on this page. Given the comments on this talk page, it seems that the article will indeed improve, given the apparent interest which arises around it. In this optic, the deletion tag is not really in order anymore -- in fact you are quite right to point it, I am removing it. Rama 10:31, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: Same here man! sorry, i wasn't trying to put you down, I was suggesting that instead of starting off with a huge page, it might be better to start off with a small page to allow people to contribute more easily. If you get some time, come on irc or something and talk to me, I'd be more than happy to discuss this with you, it seems that people easily get the wrong idea on these talk pages. FrancisTyers 19:45, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree that some kind of user friendly application might be nice, but first at least make a stub that explains it well in english. I did try and help with the capitalisation and grammar! Look at the edit history! I'm not saying it should be deleted, just improved, I don't have the necessary understanding to fix it properly. FrancisTyers 19:45, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move for deletion 

message: Rama said he translated the German article, but if he did, it's improved rather a lot since then. Wikipedia articles are not supposed to be how-tos (which are useful external links of course). This article needs starting again from scratch. Rd232 10:37, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Start again

message: There are several key shortcomings of AHP and it is quickly being replaced by other methods.  I'll add some material on that and perhaps that will address some of the issues others brought up in here.  However, the article still needs further expansion and explains almost nothing about how AHP works.  I added a bit more to the explaination and removed the confusing material which really explained nothing about it.
:The article is still a How-To, and still uses German illustrations. Rd232 talk 10:18, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, by inserting a factual, non-commercial introduction, maybe I've "started it over." Lou Sander 01:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: comparison to other methods and shortcomings

message: Someone keeps stating that challenges are made by "people who don't understand (AHP)".  This is a petty ad hominem.  The researchers who have found these fundamental errors understand the problems much more than the typical user of AHP.  This person is also removing citations that show specific mathematical proofs of the claims.  If you cannot read and understand the proof for yourself, refrain from claiming that those who prove your position wrong simply don't understand it.  This person also continues to insist that AHP would add value to formal mathematical optimization methods in various fields where, by definition, thier solution is already optimal.  It does not "miss the point" that AHP cannot change an optimal answer and, therefore, cannot possibly add value.  This is a person whose only exposure to any decision analytic methods at all is AHP and therefore, has no understanding of why it doesn't work on a variety of problems.  Hubbardaie 13:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ad Hominem 

message: Rozann Saaty is the wife of Thomas Saaty, who is the inventor of AHP.  She writes with an obvious COI and POV.  I suggest to her that she not delete citations to known mathematical proofs that are critical of AHP.  I suggest leaving in those proofs and responding to them in a substantive manner.Hubbardaie 02:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RozannSaaty