Talk:Jedediah Smith

message: I have seen the following alternative dates of birth: 
* 24 Jan 1798
* 24 Jun 1798
* 6 Jan 1799
* 16 Jan 1799.  
Does anybody know for certain which (if any) of these is correct?  Cheers JackofOz 06:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The DOB is disputed, there is no such thing as an exact date: 
Harrison Clifford Dale: The explorations of William H. Ashley and Jedediah Smith – 1822–1829. Arthur H. Clark Company, Glendale 1941, reprinted by University of Nebraska Press, 1991, , p 175 claims June 24 1798, while the American National Biography, Vol. 20, 1999, Oxford University Press, New York and Oxford,  along others claim January 6 1799. --h-stt !? 08:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I half agree with you.  Yes, the DOB is disputed, which was what I stated back in 2005 (!).  But he must have been born, like every other human being, on an exact date.  If we could get to the bottom of where all these conflicting dates came from, we might get to the truth.  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  08:44, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not likely. If biographers over decades and centuries are not able to confirm a date, we won't be either. He himself did not know his DOB. --h-stt !? 10:13, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

text: It is best to choose one date of birth for the article. Any discrepancies can be put in a reference footnote. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  But how do we know which one to choose, and why should one be chosen over others anyway, if there's roughly equal support for them all in sources?  Choosing one and relegating the others to a footnote is tantamount to saying the one we've chosen is the right date and any sources that disagree with us are wrong.  What authority do we have to do that?  --  Jack of Oz  ... speak! ...  09:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Editors can make decisions.  One date is good in terms of narration of the article.  The footnote can have all or any of the arguments for or against.  There may not be a correct birthdate for Jedediah Smith.  I do not know how good records were kept in the 18th century in terms of new births. Unless there is an actual birth certificate that has an actual date, I do not know when Jedediah Smith was born.  Also the calender may have changed sometime that could have changed the date of births. Cmguy777 (talk) 03:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The calander changed in 1752.  Since Smith was born after this change his dob is not affected.The 1752 Calendar Change Cmguy777 (talk) 03:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you arguing with yourself again? LOL. BTW, I agree with everything you said. Cheers.--Jojhutton (talk) 03:25, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

text: My dad always said he had to talk to himself because its the only intelligent conversation he ever got.--Jojhutton (talk) 03:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative Dates of Birth

message: The point about spelling seems silly.  Was spelling regularized/standardized at this time? (65.80.50.227 07:39, 13 December 2005)
:Spelling, not to mention literacy, was pretty haphazard. Even still, Jedediah is not only an accepted spelling, it is the most common spelling. It's not terribly relevant, however, since: a. the Hebrew Bible was written in Biblical Hebrew, with scant use of vowels (and no e's or i's to be found); b. Smith wasn't "named after Solomon's religious nickname" anyway — he was named after his father, Jedediah Smith, Sr.; and c. who cares? I'll take it out. Squib 22:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: Under early life, it says "Cows are sweet" and later says "Girls Girls Girls"—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.221.230 (talk • contribs) 
:Good looking out, ese. I took it out, and if these were real sections, they were removed a long time ago. So if somebody finds them, please put them back.--Rockero 08:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major problem

message: 75% of the info is a joke please fix! The article talks about wizards and hot pockets, I think it should be erased and restarted but some dont. Needs alot of fixing. 68.207.117.147 04:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The page is pure nonsense 

message: there is a lot wrong with this article. it's messy, it's vague, and it doesn't appear to be 100% accurate. I agree we should scrap this article and commission an expert to write a new one.
Dia duit 19:44, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  don't know who wrote this, but it's not very good 

message: Though it shows on the map, there is no discussion about Smith's exploration of Oregon. http://www.endoftheoregontrail.org/oregontrails/jedsmith.html Katr67 05:06, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs info about Oregon 

message: The Klesinger site seems to be a random businessman's site and doesn't list its references and thus probably can't be considered a reliable source. Katr67 12:56, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so as it reflects the other source referenced. please see Wikipedia:Attribution#Reliable sources.   Ronbo76 13:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so we've both linked to the reliable sources section of WP:ATT... To which part of it are you referring? "Reflecting" the the other source doesn't make it reliable--anybody can gather information off the internet or books and put it on the Internet. Klesinger's info seems to be a self-published source. Without references, it can't be counted as reliable. Is Klesinger an academic or other authority or simply a history buff? Smith's history is fraught with much misinformation, so we should be trying to reference primary and secondary sources as much as possible. Now, if you mean the site Klesinger links to: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/HNS/Mtmen/jedesmith.html , that one appears to have some academic backing and lists its sources. Katr67 16:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds great to me. Knowing my luck, he died in OK. Ronbo76 17:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable Source? 

message: The following trivia is moved from the article for comment.  I do not know that the Jedediah in the film was this J.Smith.  WBardwin 06:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The link on the IMDB goes to Jedediah Smith.  Yes. According to the IMDB site, Owen Wilson is portraying Jedediah Smith.  Whether the portrayal is historically accurate, I don't know. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

text: After watching the trailers to both movies I and II, the Jedediah Smith character seems to be taken out of context and is only represented by name.  The movie centers on fictional actions of "Jedediah" in two Museums.  Since these are fictional actions, rather then historical or considered historically relavent, I do not believe the movie belongs in the article. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:16, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia for comment

message: Someone included a picture of Soda Lake, alright, but the WRONG Soda Lake in San Luis Obispo County, not the one Smith visited in San Bernardino County. FYI, my car stalled at the (deleted image) Painted Rocks, so I recognized it. The California Valley, in which Soda Lake and the Painted Rocks lie, is semi-arid and not desert. Sorry to delete such a pretty picture, but the facts have to win out!  Tapered (talk) 23:03, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture Removal

message: I always thought Jedediah Springfield, of The Simpsons fame,  was named and loosley named after Jedediah Smith. Is it worth adding something along the lines that this is the case?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtummock (talk • contribs) 19:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The character is Jebediah Springfield (though, to be fair his full name is Jebediah Obadiah Zachariah Jedediah Springfield).  There are no reliable sources indicating that Jedediah Smith was the direct inspiration for the naming of the character. CosmicPenguin (talk• WP:WYOHelp!) 03:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jedediah Springfield

message: I remember learing that Jedediah suffered a terrible attack from a Grizzly Bear, I checked this article for more info on the attack, but I'm not finding it anywhere on this page. Would someone mind checking and possibly add it to the article?
:Yes, he had an encounter with a grizzly near Powder River, quite early in his career. But do you think it is important given the sad state of the article? There are so many more important facts missing ... :-( --h-stt !? 06:28, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Jedidiah's friend Sullivan was also attacked by a grizzly.  Morgan states that mountain men were often attacked by grizzly bears.  The interesting thing is that today grizzlies are missing from the American West for the most part.  These grizzlies were not afraid of humans at all and apparently stalked their victims.  They just attacked.  Grizzlies roamed freely in the Sierra Nevada, something modern Californians have missed out on or forgotten.  That is why California is the grizzly or Bear Flag state.  More should be put in the article on grizzlies.  They are pretty much as rare as the American Buffalo. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I believe the Grizzly Bear attack is important because it left a signifigant scar on Jedediah and presents the dangers of traveling into the West; including arrest by Mexicans; attack by American Indians; bear attacks; starvation; heat and cold exposure.  There were no highways, railroads, or telegraph services.  While traveling there were no doctors to mend wounds or hospitals.  The JSS article needs to capture the essence of the wild west. Cmguy777 (talk) 16:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  bear attack 

message: I plan to restructure the article to fit with other Wikipedia biographical articles.
Instead of "Birth and Accomplishments" the title should be "Early Life".  There also needs to be a segment on Jedidiah joining Ashley's company in St. Louis.  Emphasis should be on the fur trade.  Jedidiah was a businessman and he wanted to make money, just like other mountain men.  More information is needed on early life.  How did Jedidiah get to St. Louis?  Was he actually an American spy?  What were his views on Native Americans?  Were their any controversies?  What was his legacy? More emphasis should be on the Native Americans he met both hostile and friendly.  This article has a potential to be a good or feature article. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restructure article 

message: Moved Sullivan quote with "Old Jed" sentence to talk page. 21:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede Sullivan Quote with sentence 

message: Moved to talk page. There is no reference for this alleged Kansas death. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged death in Kansas 

message: I removed May 2008 Refimprove cite from the article.  Morgan (1953, 1964) references have been given to improve the article. I added information on Jedediah's early life and joining Ashley's fur company. More work needs to be done on the article. Cmguy777 (talk) 23:04, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 2008 Refimprove cite 

message: I changed the article to class C and gave the article high importance.  The accomplishments of Jedediah Smith deserve to be recognized and is highly important to the history of Native Americans, the Mexican government, the United States, and Britain. Cmguy777 (talk) 23:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article class and importance ratings 

message: The article is generating around 100 views per month.  Signifigant changes have been made.  I am concerned why the viewing has not gone up.  I believe making this a feature article could help get more views.  Does anyone have any reasons why the articles viewing is low? Cmguy777 (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Try adding links from other articles to this one. That may increase potential readers. Otherwise perhaps the subject just isn't that interesting to readers, despite your effort to overhaul the article.  There are over 3 million articles to read, and it would seem that some articles just get more views than others, depending on the subject matter. Thats the nature of the beast sometimes.--Jojhutton (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good.  I have never heard of Jedediah Smith until I went to college.  I have not looked at modern U.S. History books and am not sure he gets much writing time compared to Lewis and Clark.  Jedediah Smith and the mountain men, in a sense, fill in the gap between the California Gold Rush and Lewis and Clark. Cmguy777 (talk) 02:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been adding links.  It seems Jedediah is not mentioned on the Mission cites or Fort Vancouver.  I am attempting to link Smith's names with the people he had met or was associated with and the places he traveled or explored. Cmguy777 (talk) 03:42, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

text: It looks like the links are causing more hits to the article.  Good suggestion Jojhutton. Thanks! Cmguy777 (talk) 06:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was looking at the view counter and it seems that this article was getting 300-400 and sometime more, hits a day anyway. What were you using as a source for the number of page views?--Jojhutton (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

text: I used stats.grok.se. However, I typed in Jedediah Strong Smith rather then Jedediah Smith.  On Janurary 7, 2011 Jedediah Smith got 1600 hits!  I have put his link in the Great Basin and the Peter Skene Ogden articles. Cmguy777 (talk) 22:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya, you gotta watch how you type in the name with that site. Its very literal. So it appears that the page was getting a whole heck of a lot more views than you thought. Good.--Jojhutton (talk) 22:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Increase article views 

message: You Tube cannot be used as a source about itself. This information needs a secondary reliable source, or it cannot be re-added. If this was allowed then wikipedia would be overrun with massive amount of useless trivia.--Jojhutton (talk) 15:15, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Cmguy777 (talk) 17:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  You Tube Video 

message: Let's quit naming parks and lakes and sites after these crooked persons---this practice is insulting to American citizens of Native and African descent.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.69.64.114 (talk) 19:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Smith is mainly known as a hero for his explorations and opening of the American West.  He held off on killing Indians and punished his men who killed Indians indiscriminately.  American Indians were not pacifists.  Their tribes had warriors.  Please understand that Indians killed whites and sometimes other Indians.  Whites killed Indians.  The West was violent.  In fact, Smith was killed by Indians when he was looking for water.  Smith had no desire to kill American Indians, only for self protection.  Yes. Smith owned two slaves. The article does not say Smith was perfect.  Without sidestepping the horribleness of the slavery issue, Smith did not own a plantation with hundreds of slaves, and his livelihood did not rely heavily on slavery. Cmguy777 (talk) 01:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is accusing anyone of being "bastard children of Satin".  This discussion is meant to discuss the article, however, I respect alternative opinions. What took place in the past can't be altered. Nothing in this article is meant in anyway to condone or condemn Jedediah Smith, African Americans, American Indians, or Mexican Americans.  Jedediah Smith's biographer Dale Morgan refered to Smith as a forgotten American hero. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Still seems to be quite a bit of a white wash, and tall tales.  "with one shot killed the chief"  Are we really to take these accounts seriously and unbiased by those that told them?   Reminds me a terrible bit of research I did when I was 7 for a Cub Scouts badge on Pecos Bill riding a Cyclone.  Back then I was naive enough believe such stories.  Now I know  them to be the myths and exaggerations common from that time period.   Much of the Romantacism of Smith and Bridger, and others is the same.  96.31.177.52 (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  should we honor slaveholders and indian killer? 

message: Moved from article:
Added earlier photo to article. Cmguy777 (talk) 05:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mission San José photo 

message: I recommend article semi-protection since there has been an ample number of vandilism incidents. Cmguy777 (talk) 18:15, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: While there has been a recent upsurge in vandalism, nominal history is tame.  Considering the number of editors watching the page, it is a reasonable balance.  If the situation changes, I will protect accordingly.  —EncMstr (talk) 18:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article protection 

message: The superimposed Smith-Gibbs-Frémont map was created by Frémont in 1844 CE. Here is the web source: Map of an Exploring Expedition to the Rocky Mountains in the Year 1842, Oregon and North California in the Years 1843-44 Cmguy777 (talk) 19:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The original map was created in 1844 by Fremont. But only Gibbs superimposed the findings by Smith onto the Fremont map many years after its publication. rgds --h-stt !? 09:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smith Map 

message: Editors should be aware that pre-1967 accounts of Smith's first (1826-27) expedition to California contain a number of factual errors on details of the route traveled. Smith's own journal for that part of the journey was believed lost and those early authors, having no other first-hand accounts, were forced to speculate on many details. Those early writings include otherwise fine and scholarly histories by Sullivan, Morgan, A. Smith and others. 
The "lost" journal (covering the period from August 7, 1826 to June 22, 1827) was found in 1967, and was published in 1977 as:
:Smith, Jedediah S., [Harrison G. Rogers], and George R. Brooks (ed.). The Southwest Expedition of Jedediah S. Smith: His Personal Account of the Journey to California, 1826–1827. Lincoln and London, University of Nebraska Press, [1977] 1989. 
Brooks' edition also contains the "daybook" of Smith's clerk Harrison Rogers, covering most of the same time period and supplying further clarifying detail. WCCasey (talk) 05:50, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding sources 

message: I've been working on cleaning up this article for some time now, and came across this source: https://books.google.com/books?id=SUlpCQAAQBAJ.  This article had been copied and pasted into it.  Lynn (SLW) (talk) 00:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has been copied into a book 

message: Would this section:  
===In Popular Culture===
*"Season 3, Episode 1 (October 7, 1994) of Legends of the Hidden Temple was called The Bent Shaving Pan of Jedediah Smith. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0987194/?ref_=ttawd_awd_tt
*The cowboy Jedediah in the Night at the Museum movies is said by the ship_manifesto to be based on Jedediah Smith,https://ship-manifesto.dreamwidth.org/212247.html despite the disparity between a fur trapper/explorer and a cowboy.  IMBD calls the Jedediah character in the movie "Jedediah Smith", but that he "he may or may not be based off the real life 'cowboy' from the 1700's Jedediah Smith."http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009974/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t44 The Movie Pilot asserts that all the characters in the movie are based on real-life characters, including Jedediah, who is claimed to be Jedediah Smith.http://moviepilot.com/posts/2517004?lt_source=external,manual
*Wikimapia states that Jedediah Springfield of the cartoon The Simpson's is also probably loosely based on Jedediah Smith.http://wikimapia.org/8587224/Springfield-Oregon
Be acceptable under the policy WP:SELFSOURCE since un-questionable sources on pop culture are not available?  This also seems to fall under the guideline of Types of Claims "Sources that are considered flawed may still be used for innocuous facts that are not subject to serious dispute."  I mean, this is pop culture.   Lynn (SLW) (talk) 13:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another  pop culture section with *gasp* IMBD sources.  Lynn (SLW) (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

text: *Agreeing with MONGO here. Non-controversial information doesn't need to meet the same level of rigorous sourcing. There might still be a question of WP:WEIGHT problems at some time in the future however. That being the case, being able to point out, as MONGO says, some of the reliable sources which have mentioned the matter would be a good way of establishing that the material does specifically mention inclusion in this article as per our existing policies and guidelines. If it is found to be questionable about meeting WEIGHT here, it may be that sources exist to include the information in some related article, which would at least link here. John Carter (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

text: If someone wants to do a separate article I have no problems with it, I've seen a few more obscure references; I just picked the two that I thought most likely people might be wondering about.  Most everyone is familiar with Night at the Museum and The Simpsons and I feel the article is incomplete without addressing the issues. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 11:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment 

message: *"Season 3, Episode 1 (October 7, 1994) of Legends of the Hidden Temple was called The Bent Shaving Pan of Jedediah Smith. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0987194/?ref_=ttawd_awd_tt
*The cowboy Jedediah in the Night at the Museum movies is said by the ship_manifesto to be based on Jedediah Smith,https://ship-manifesto.dreamwidth.org/212247.html despite the disparity between a fur trapper/explorer and a cowboy.  IMBD calls the Jedediah character in the movie "Jedediah Smith", but that he "he may or may not be based off the real life 'cowboy' from the 1700's Jedediah Smith."http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0009974/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t44 The Movie Pilot asserts that all the characters in the movie are based on real-life characters, including Jedediah, who is claimed to be Jedediah Smith.http://moviepilot.com/posts/2517004?lt_source=external,manual
*Wikimapia states that Jedediah Springfield of the cartoon The Simpson's is also probably loosely based on Jedediah Smith.http://wikimapia.org/8587224/Springfield-Oregon
Be acceptable under the policy WP:SELFSOURCE since un-questionable sources on pop culture are not available?  This also seems to fall under the guideline of Types of Claims "Sources that are considered flawed may still be used for innocuous facts that are not subject to serious dispute."  I mean, this is pop culture.   Lynn (SLW) (talk) 13:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: In Popular Culture

message: Other pages, such as  this one have pop culture sections.  In the example given, there are only two citations for the entire section.  Now, before someone has a wiki-fit and runs off to either delete or tag-bomb the section, can we please have a discussion as to whether a pop-culture section has to have the same rigorous standards as the "serious" sections of the article?  All it is is a list of where the person's name appears in pop-culture media, which due to its definition of "pop culture is the entirety of ideas, perspectives, attitudes, images, and other phenomena that are within the mainstream of a given culture" would have to include self-published sources. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another  pop culture section with *gasp* IMBD sources.  Lynn (SLW) (talk) 16:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

text: *Agreeing with MONGO here. Non-controversial information doesn't need to meet the same level of rigorous sourcing. There might still be a question of WP:WEIGHT problems at some time in the future however. That being the case, being able to point out, as MONGO says, some of the reliable sources which have mentioned the matter would be a good way of establishing that the material does specifically mention inclusion in this article as per our existing policies and guidelines. If it is found to be questionable about meeting WEIGHT here, it may be that sources exist to include the information in some related article, which would at least link here. John Carter (talk) 14:27, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

text: If someone wants to do a separate article I have no problems with it, I've seen a few more obscure references; I just picked the two that I thought most likely people might be wondering about.  Most everyone is familiar with Night at the Museum and The Simpsons and I feel the article is incomplete without addressing the issues. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 11:46, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: This section could use some attention from someone who is familiar with editing this article. Was there an image at one time in this section? 180px|Arikara warriorBodmer (1840–1843) is red linked in the first paragraph. Also the second paragraph, first sentence has been chopped off as well - by Ashley to return to Fort Henry on foot to inform Maj. Henry of the disaster.-- Isaidnoway (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup.  Hope they can find someone to fix it.  In the meantime I have an unvandalized version that I'll update if I feel like it here. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 18:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Looks to have been some recent vandalism. No worries, there are thousands of editors fighting vandalism all over Wikipedia. Eventually it gets reverted. Occasional vandalism is much less disruptive than adding false or misleading information. JOJ Hutton 20:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I certainly am not going to argue with a Night at the Museum expert.  A serious encyclopedia must be much more concerned with retention of experts on run-of-the-mill movies than of historical figures.  Lynn (SLW) (talk) 22:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia doesn't require its users to be experts, it just requires reliable sources. Good day. JOJ Hutton 23:24, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, WP does seem to despise experts.  Good Luck maintaining the article. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 01:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean, like how Giles Roberts managed to survive for a year?  Nooo, experts are highly overrated.  Lynn (SLW) (talk) 01:55, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: hi, this sentence is in the intro section: "Smith's map of the West in 1831 was superimposed by the U.S. Army and used by explorer John C. Frémont during the early 1840s." The word 'superimposed' cannot possibly be correct in this context, but I don't know the history to edit it. Was his map usurped by the US? or?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kissedsmiley (talk • contribs) 16:41, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: Researching along for an edit of my own I ran across this account of the massacre of Smith's party in the Oregon Country in summer of 1829.  It is quoted as Dr. John McLoughlin's own words and in the account he adds many details and events I had not seen mention of before.  One being he sends the party with a sealed envelope of instructions only to be opened when they arrive at their destination.  It contains what they are to do in order to obtain Smith's belongings and his thoughts as to why this was a necessary precaution.  I have read a few authors accounts of this event and I find Dr McLoughlin adds a credibility to detail others can not.  This article is well cared for by its editors and I do not have enough of an understanding of Mr. Smith to attempt an edit to it.  I do however, want very much to cause something worthwhile to be read and discussed for possible incorporation into an already excellent document.   Cheers to you!  Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oregon Country attack and recovery party 1829