Talk:Kenny Dalglish

message: Does he really have this?  I can't find any reference to it anywhere and wondered whether it was a subtle vandalism of the page.  That said, he certainly deserves to have the award. Mkns 19:42, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freedom of the City of Glasgow 

message: I'm not too sure about this part. I'd prefer if "He wanted to join his idols at Rangers, but the call never came. He had trials at Liverpool and West Ham, but they came to nothing. And so it was that Dalglish, the Protestant son of an engineer, found himself playing for the Catholic team Celtic, age-old fierce Old Firm rivals of Rangers." was changed to "He wanted to join his idols at Rangers, but the call never came. He had trials at Liverpool and West Ham, but they came to nothing. And so it was that Dalglish, the Protestant son of an engineer, found himself playing for Celtic, age-old fierce Old Firm rivals of Rangers."
What is a 'Catholic' team?
:Is your argument that neither Celtic nor Rangers are officially affiliated to either the Catholic or Protestant faith? Mkns 20:35, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic team Celtic ?

message: When giving the place of birth, is it really necessary to give it a Glasgow, Scotland. It seems quite superfluous. After all, he is credited as being a Scottish footballer (therefore from Scotland) and Glasgow is Scotland's biggest city and well known enough internationally. Alex Ferguson's article reads as just Glasgow and Bob Paisley's is Hetton-le-Hole Co. Durham (with no England).  hedpeguyuk 09:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A reasonable argument to a point; however, the same argument occurs all over Wikipedia and, unless there is a specific rule laid down somewhere, this kind of edit (adding or removing Scotland) could just go back and forth forever.  I'd suggest not worrying about it, it's really not that important.  At least they got the country right ;) Mkns 20:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glasgow Scotland 

message: This article says Dalglish missed the tournament through injury, but the Alan Hansen page says he withdrew from the squad in protest at Ferguson not calling Hansen up. Which is correct? Angmering 22:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 1986 World Cup

message: Caps and goal figures in the article likely contain European cup/Domestic cup data in addition to Domestic League data (this is very certain based on this user's previous edits containing similar information . Please correct this issue and leave a note here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Alfmaster#Footballers.27_European_goals, to warn this person about putting improper information on Wikipedia. --Palffy 21:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed now. --Palffy 17:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah, yes, I probably should have dropped a note here when I made the change. Apologies. --Daduzi talk 18:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious Information

message: I placed the templates relating to biographies of living persons onto this talk page yesterday hoping that it would bring some order to the problems being experienced by this article recently. Unlike many things at Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is a policy rather than a guideline or an essay. It makes it quite clear that biographies of living persons, which require a degree of sensitivity, must adhere strictly to our content policies:
* Verifiability
* Neutral point of view
* No original research
The burden of proof for any claim rests with the editor making that claim. In this case, it would appear that one newspaper has intimated something which most (all?) other newspapers have decided not to be reportable. The fact that one newspaper has made this intimation should not be overlooked but its bearing on the article, and its isolation in the world of media, should also be made clear to provide the right balance and, hence, abide by Wikipedia's formal policy. It is clear, therefore, that these details have no place in the article's leading paragraphs which should concern themselves with the main reasons for this person's primary notability. As for the rest of the article, the burden of satisfying the three key policies bulleted above rests with the editor making these claims. -- Alias Flood 23:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographies of living persons 

message: I just gave this quite a major trim in line with our policies on WP:NPOV and WP:V. There are still far too many unsourced assertions, so I suggest getting references if we can. --Guinnog 01:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bit of a cleanup 

message: Should the total goals for Celtic not read 112 considering that only league goals are considered in the final tally?? 194.81.124.196 09:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goals 

message: Correct me if i'm wrong but the photograph in this article is of Phil Neal, not Kenny Dalglish.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.182.60 (talk) 00:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: One QC's accusation that Dalglish (who was not a central party to the case) had "unsavoury" and "dishonest" friends is not only the baseless accusation of one man, but also merely his opinion. It is pretty much an implication that Dalglish is involved in crime without explicitly saying so. I'm not sweeping anything "under the rug", as one editor has said, but merely putting in perspective that the statements of one man, which occurred in only one instance is not verifiable or even notable. Most of the section has nothing to 
=do with Dalglish, it merely serves as a "legitimate" front for possible slander. I'm taking it out again. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits) 17:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The QC was leading the witness in a very provocative manner and Adams rejected all the QCs claims. Furthermore, there is no proof in your citation that Dalglish invited them to the meeting. This is merely one QC's opinion and his view of a situation. Stop trying to portray that opinion as fact. Your idea that this was "widely reported" in the press still isn't backed up by the citations. I'm reverting this again per WP:BLP. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 09:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involvement with Proactive Agency 

message: Removed reference to him being friends with Gary Player and the fact they both support same charity/ do fundraising for it- sure Dalglish has dozens of friends from world of support and they fundraise. Why focus on Player? Link is obscure and not apparent to world at large in the same way at times say Stephen Hendry and Prince Naseem were linked or Willie Thorne and Gary Linekar.--78.16.36.191 (talk) 17:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put it into context now. Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)WIKIPROJECT ATHLETICS NEEDS YOU! 00:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gary Player

message: Doesn't anyone have a decent picture for the article? I've looked on Wikicommons an dthere aren't any there, but someone here must have access to a good non-copyrighted photo?  Obscurasky (talk) 13:09, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo for lead 

message: The article states that Dalglish is only the third manager to have won the English league title with two clubs, however this can't be accurate as Tom Watson, another former Liverpool manager won the league with both Sunderland and Liverpool but isn't listed, meaning Dalglish is at best the 4th manager to achieve this. I don't know if anyone else is missing from the list but it is clearly inaccurate.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.193.173 (talk) 14:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managers winning title with different clubs 

message: It seems incredible but there doesn't seem to be one. The current one (which I inadvertently added) will be deleted on 16 January. Jprw (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of a non-copyrighted image for the article

message: Is way too long. I may begin attempts on shortening it, and, wherever possible, relocating text to the main body of the article. Jprw (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There shouldn't be anything in the lead that isn't in the article, so I agree with you there. I don't think it's too long as it is; a good lead can run to 4 or 5 paras when the article goes into plenty of depth. GedUK  14:32, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for your work on this, I think it's looking good! GedUK  12:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The lead

message: Some many have noticed that yesterday's featured article on Wikipedia was of John Wark. This is the first time that I have seen a FA of a sports personality on WP. Wouldn't it be great if this could inspire us to get KD's article up to a similar standard (at least GA standard, anyway). With this in mind, I suggest using the JW article as a rough guide to knocking the KD article into shape. Thoughts and contributions from other editors welcome. (A good start may be to get hold of KD’s autobiography [ghost written by Henry Winter] and use this as a reference to bolster certain parts of the article). Jprw (talk) 14:14, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a great idea. I already have his autobio, though it's not made it to the top of my reading list yet. I think I'll have a look over it ASAP, especially if you give me areas that you'd like me to focus on. It was very interesting to see a footballer on the front page (there have been other US sports stars I think). Very interesting looking at the page views stats as well (http://stats.grok.se/en/201102/John%20Wark), from under 200 page views per day to 21,500+ when it was on the main page! Might be worth raising at the LFC wikiproject as well. GedUK  08:47, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm by no means an expert on writing FAs, though I did get James Cagney to GA. I think the critical part of a biography article is less the autobiography (a primary source) but biographies. The auto should be used to give his opinion on specific things, but the context and wider opinion on the same event should set the tone and come from bios. Bios obviously don't have to be books, there's loads written on him online. I'm on  holiday next week, so I'll try and find some time! GedUK  11:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't actually think it's a million miles away from a GA. Certainly there's plenty of sourcing, though we'll need to check how reliable it all is, the structure seems reasonable, though we need to be careful with the language ('leading marksman') and turn down the tone in places. GedUK  09:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Seems reasonable! Good work with the edits, I think that tightens it up. I moved some bits around earlier in the week too. GedUK  20:47, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Johnny Wark

message: This photo is okay to use, which is great news. I've relocated it to what looks to be the best place in the article. Jprw (talk) 11:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo with Moran and Evans

message: Why is there no information in the info box regarding his loan to Cumbernauld? Under the Celtic info it says that he was loaned in the 67-68 season scoring 37 goals. Does any one know anything about that like how many appearances he made.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.231.212.68 (talk) 00:50, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Loan to Cumbernauld United

message: Have just had another go at improving various parts of the article. I think that there are still serious issues, and that a reality check may need to be taken re: how soon this can be taken to GA status. I think there are five main issues that need addressing:
* (Still) too much detail throughout the article, though I would suggest that the lede is at last starting to look fairly tight...maybe.
* (Still) too much weasley and non-encyclopaedic language throughout.
* (Still) too much of the information is unsourced; for example, vast swathes of the Blackburn section.
* The book he wrote with Henry Winter needs to be sourced more.
* We need more photos; the main one is inadequate, only better than nothing, I'm afraid. 
Again, I believe that it is worth re-stating that we are very fortunate to have the John Wark WP article to serve as an example that WP sports articles can reach FA status, and what is roughly required in order to do so. It can be done, but there is still lots to do. I am also currently in the process of writing to all major UK newspapers and regional Merseyside newspapers to try and get photos of Dalglish that can be uploaded to Wikicommons. I've drawn a blank so far. Jprw (talk) 11:25, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: More work done, but more work needed

message: I've just seen this excellent 17-picture summary of his career. I wonder if it would be appropriate to add something like this as an external link? My other worry is that it has the potential to become a dead link before long. Jprw (talk) 16:50, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dalglish through the ages?

message: I've nominated the article for GA status. I don't think that it is that far off, and believe that the GA review process could go a long way to sorting out the issues that the article does have and generally knocking it into shape. I also think that now may be an appropriate time as the "dust has settled" so to speak in terms of his appointment as full-time manager, so it will give editors a chance to get some perspective on the whirlwind of media coverage and speculation witnessed since January.
I remain hopeful that, inspired by the John Wark article which serves as an excellent example, the Kenny Dalglish article could reach FA status one day. Jprw (talk) 18:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

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thread_title: File:Ronnie Moran (left), manager Kenny Dalglish and assistant manager Roy Evans enjoy the club's 18th championship title.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: Please do not keep adding Dr in front of his name - see WP:CREDENTIAL.  People who have earned doctorates should not usually have the title let alone someone who has just received an honorary doctorate. noq (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr title. 

message: As "in popular culture", maybe it is worth mentioning that Paul McCartney mentions Mr. Dalglish on one of his records (but I prefer to ask first). You can check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXKjYyA7mnY&t=3m42s&hd=1 Alvabass (talk) 23:48, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this worth mentioning in the article? 

message: The external links for this article are no longer correct (actually no longer correct for all (ex) Liverpool players.
LFCHistory.net Player profile
should be linked to http://www.lfchistory.net/Players/Player/Profile/287 instead of http://www.lfchistory.net/player_profile.asp?player_id=287
LFCHistory.net Manager profile
should be linked to http://www.lfchistory.net/Managers/Manager/Profile/12 instead of http://www.lfchistory.net/managers_profile.asp?manager_id=12
Official past players at Liverpool fc.tv
should be linked to http://www.liverpoolfc.com/history/past-players/kenny-dalglish instead of http://www.liverpoolfc.comv/team/first-team
English Football Hall of Fame Profile
should be linked to http://www.nationalfootballmuseum.com/hall-of-fame/profiles/entry/kenny-dalglish/ instead of http://www.nationalfootballmuseum.com/Hall%20of%20Fame/kennydaglish.htm
Harveyb10 (talk) 16:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  But the article does not appear to be protected so you should have been able to do it yourself. noq (talk) 16:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2015 

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message: For a footballer, is this knighthood thing of any significance at all ? Do the supporters or the clubs care ? Also - in the light of all foreign players in Premier League (who, by the way, perhaps are preventing English success in the World Cups and Euros ???)It is a question, nothing else. Boeing720 (talk) 09:31, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what your point is. It is notable that he has been honoured by the UK Government, and the article (briefly) mentions this. If anything, it is a slight source of puzzlement that he hasn't been awarded a knighthood.  Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:26, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't a point, just a question (well - aside of England's future prospects in World Cups and Euros, I have to admit that. Was thinking of a possible World Cup winner, but there is no real favoirite, I can see at the moment. Italy and Holland is out, Spain, Germany and Brazil are having problems, Russia ? England ? Argentina ? France ? Mexico even ? - but never mind that). "Honoured by the UK Government" OK, that's relevant. But what did he do for the Government ? Or is it I who don't grasp what knighthood in the UK is about ? (which might be far from unlikely) Boeing720 (talk) 00:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  MBE important ? 

message: Kenny dalglish was knighted so the page should be updated. TombleebooHD (talk) 21:50, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been already. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 22:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Already done L293D (☎ • ✎) 14:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2018 

message: King kenny won the Drybrough cup in 1975 and glassgow cup in 1975 could someone please add this to his wiki Innerpeacedude (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trophies