Talk:Richard Halliburton

message: Isn't there now some doubt about the authenticity of some of his stories? I've started here before exploring elsewhere on the web.
Martynz
: I've never heard any expressed, and certainly some of the more remarkable stories (e.g. swimming the Panama Canal) were easily verified. I know that he was pretty consistent about photo-documenting mountain ascents, etc. On the other hand, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he took some literary license in describing a conversation, but what travel writer doesn't? -- Jmabel | Talk 22:33, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact or fiction? 

message: The reference at http://www.memphismagazine.com/backissues/april2001/coverstory2.htm states he graduated from Princeton in 1921, the article here says he dropped out -- which is it? 69.174.71.38 19:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know offhand, but if someone has a copy of The Royal Road to Romance, it should say. I don't have one handy at present. - Jmabel | Talk 01:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found my copy {autographed to boot} of New Worlds to Conquer - but am walking out the door to do a show on KLDK.  He might say something there. Carptrash 01:35, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well he diesn't say in this book, but everything I've looked at suggests that he did graduate in 1921 from Princeton. So I'll probably just make that change.  Carptrash 04:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Doubtless someone who cares could get a straight answer from Princeton. - Jmabel | Talk 02:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Can you give an edition and page number so that we can cite that? - Jmabel | Talk 05:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am late to the table, but I have to say that Halliburton used even more artistic licence than most travel writers.  Just because he uses a certain form of words in his travelogues does  not mean that things happened exactly that way. The first chapter of his first book is mad with poetry; fact mattered less to him. BrainyBabe (talk) 19:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princeton Graduate? 

message: I live next door to Rhodes College, home of the Halliburton Bell Tower and the Halliburton Rare Book Collection and went to the same high school as Halliburton.  I have always been a casual fan but do not know where to document his most famous quote, demonstrating the epitome of reckless, early-20th century, amateur-adventurer insouciance.  Supposedly the last communication from the junk was Halliburton himself radioing/telegraphing: "Southerly gales, squalls, lee rail under water, wet bunks, hard tack, bully beef, wish you were here . . . instead of me."
If confirmed, I believe this signally defines the man.  It is, however, so good as to be equally likely a posthumous embellishment.
Scorlew 23:56, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Love it.TCO (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The classic Halliburton quote 

message: Both 23 and 24 March seem to abound in Google as the relevant date.  Could it be that the last radio message was received on 23 March in the USA but it was actually 24 March where Halliburton was because he was beyond the International Date Line?  --  JackofOz 06:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of disappearance

message: If someone wants to expand this, there's an article from Memphis Magazine in 1977 that might be useful. 
* Guy Townsend, "Richard Halliburton: The Forgotten Myth", Memphis Magazine, originally published August 1977, reprinted April 2001.
It's no longer on Memphis Magazine's own site, but it can be found on the Internet Archive.
It appears to be a citable source for a quotation already in the article, and I will use it as such. - Jmabel | Talk 21:14, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it looks good and have added it to the further reading list. BrainyBabe (talk) 16:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Memphis Magazine'' article 

message: The article on Buzzle.com linked blindly from the references section doesn't look to me like something I would presume was a reliable source. It seems to have his date of birth wrong (our article previously reflected this apparent error). It's written by someone whose bio doesn't suggest any reason to think he'd be more authoritative than a random Wikipedian.
I'd suggest dropping the link. And I still think it would be a good idea for someone to work with some solid sources and do a good job of actually citing for what we say here. - Jmabel | Talk 23:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I will remove the link. BrainyBabe (talk) 15:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buzzle.com? 

message: at the top of the article appears in India Speaks, so was taken by 1933.  Carptrash (talk) 16:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the image of Halliburton 

message: I disagree with the removal of the following:
:As he matured, he became bisexual, as observed by at least one traveling companion. Halliburton kept his sexual orientation secret from his public and his parents, who longed for grandchildren. His correspondence and his relations clearly offer this view of his orientation. André Soares, Beyond Paradise: The Life of Ramon Novarro, St. Martin's Press, 2002. . p.163. He was a friend, and may have been a lover, of one of the first openly gay film stars, Ramon Novarro. Allan R. Ellenberger, Ramon Novarro: A Biography of the Silent Film Idol, 1899-1968, McFarland and Company, 1999. . p. 141. A biographer of Novarro asserts that Halliburton chose Paul Mooney as crew for his fatal final voyage because the pair were lovers. André Soares, Beyond Paradise: The Life of Ramon Novarro, St. Martin's Press, 2002. . p.302 
The edit summary said these sources were unreliable. I have not seen them, but they seem like serious biographies. I do not want to get into an edit war, so perhaps someone with access to the texts could check these. BrainyBabe (talk) 06:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit and demand for more proof seems little more than thinly-veiled homophobia.  The anonymous editor also chose to delete references to Halliburton's Laguna Beach house and his two gay roommates (one of whom was his editor). A podcast by Ted Williams about the house can easily be accessed at http://twls.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=190016#.  How many citations does Mr/Ms "76.217.117.156" want? In the course of a couple of short paragraphs, there are a total of 3 different sources cited to substantiate Halliburton's queerness.  "Horizon Chasers: Lives and Adventures of Richard Halliburton and Paul Mooney" by Gerry Max, and Playing the Game: The Homosexual Novel in America by Roger Austen could potentially also be added to the list.Udibi (talk) 04:51, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect you are right, but one never knows another's motivation and I do my best to assume good faith. Would you be able to add those two sources to "Further reading"?  Thanks.  -- Oh, and I am delighted that Hangover House now has its own article! BrainyBabe (talk) 08:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Halliburton was for sure homosexual (or bisexual). In 1935, french police wrote in his file on Halliburton (matricule 69000.245.) that he was a "very famous homosexual" frequenting gay areas in Paris :
"Romancier américain. 35 ans. Né à New York. Habite 1, rue Scribe.
A franchi les Alpes au col du Grand Saint-Bernard sur son éléphant Dolly. Ci-joint un article de Paris Soir (3 août 1935) montrant Dolly au repos dans un parc zoologique et le même en train de se désaltérer, place de la Concorde.
Mr Halliburton est un homosexuel très connu dans certains établissements spécialisés.
Il a pris l'habitude de racoler rue Saint-Lazare. Il propose des "succions buccales" (blow jobs) aux passants".
You can read it in the book of François Buot, but it's not translated from french into english :
http://books.google.fr/books?id=NMfAYezBcr4C&pg=PT133&dq=gay+paris+richard+halliburton&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=LY0ZVPHfDtLtaIOWgeAJ&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=gay%20paris%20richard%20halliburton&f=false Frimoussou (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the fact denounced by Udibi that the edits demanding for more """proofs""" seem little more than thinly veiled homophobia. Indeed, The 31th of March, 2a02:8109:8080:2700:945e:8a53:f29f:cafe vandalized this article with these spiritual words : "Halliburton may have been a three-headed alien-mutant-zombie from outer space, or just bisexual. We will never know. However we will harp this subject in lieu of anything of importance". It's a little bit curious to claim in principle and in an ideological way that we will "never know" an already well documented fact... Homosexuals et bisexuals are not weird aliens and there is absolutely no difficulty to establish the homosexuality or the bisexuality of people insofar as relevant """proofs""" are available. In the case of Halliburton's sexual orientation, the sources and scholarly references quoted by BrainyBabe and Udibi were already enough, but it seems that another source is perhaps not very well known in Anglo-Saxon area yet : in the summer of 1935, Halliburton was in Europe and in Paris, where the police kept homosexuals under surveillance. It's a fact that, as François BUOT, who consulted Archives, wrote in his book entitled Gay Paris. Une histoire du Paris interlope entre 1900 et 1940", Richard Halliburton was recorded by the police as a customer of homosexual establishments in the french capital and as cruising for sex in the Saint-Lazare street. 83.199.129.74 (talk) 02:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: it is important to keep wikipedia accurate, true to the sources, but it is also good to remember that there is nothing bad or wrong about being gay or bi-sexual. Carptrash (talk) 17:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of gay material 

message: I think the "Character of published work" section currently lets off Halliburton a bit easily on his attitudes about race. No, they weren't particularly extreme for his time and class, but they were certainly not universal for that time or class, and in some places (e.g. when writing about Haiti in the Book of Marvels) they come through very strongly, coloring not only his description of his own experiences but his entire view of history. - Jmabel | Talk 18:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character of published work 

message: Perhaps someone knows, so this is just rumourculation now, but from his travels in the tropics, when/where everything mildewed, didn't his name become associated with tropical sealed luggage, which later became the halliburton luggage company, then the aluminum halliburton cases, then, when the halliburton company put oil-field testing intruments into the desert-use sealed cases, got halliburton lots of oil-related business, which is the connection to the halliburton company of today, with contracts all over the world, especially in the oil districts.   ????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.94.114 (talk) 22:58, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the references in Zero Halliburton, Erle P. Halliburton, and Halliburton. BrainyBabe (talk) 01:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  other legacy 

message: A couple of years ago this well-sourced paragraph was deleted.  It was re-instated. At some point in the last six months, it was removed again, with no discussion nor even the courtesy of an edit summary. I have re-instated it again. BrainyBabe (talk) 00:55, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-instatement of deleted paragraph on sexuality 

message: "Like Greek historian and geographer Herodotus, Halliburton was a cultural relativist: he adhered to the credibility of multiple perspectives and believed that "culture was king", stances which may explain his purchase of a slave child in Africa, or adopting the garb of a particular region to "go native."  As a sort of cultural ambassador, he met heads of state from Peruvian dictator Augusto Leguia, to Emperor Haile Selassie of Ethiopia, to the Last Emperor of China, to King Feisal al Husain of Iraq and his son the Crown Prince."
A source for it would be a good thing, but a citation tag instead of cutting it out seems more appropriate to me. Carptrash (talk) 18:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am not sure why this was removed 

message: Much to offer: Richard Halliburton: the hero time forgot, by Stuart Heaver in the SCMP .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.152.150.23 (talk) 09:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article on Halliburton

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