Talk:Mosque–Cathedral of Córdoba

message: , there have been previous discussions about this already on this talk page and the consensus on this issue has been stable for years. As I previously indicated on your user talk page, if you do want to propose a change, you must do so at the talk page here. Needless to say, literally deleting every instance of the word "mosque" in the article (including in file names and in situations that create ungrammatical sentences) is clearly a non-constructive approach. Please also refrain from repeating your changes once they have been reverted by other editors; this is known as edit-warring (see Wikipedia:Edit warring) and it could you blocked from further edits. R Prazeres (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit-warring over the word "mosque" 

message: Hi . As the article itself already explains, the question of what stood here before the current building is a matter of ongoing debate and theorization, of which the traditional story is only one piece of evidence. Even the archeologists who currently support the essential point of that story still do not advocate taking it at face value and have developed alternative hypothesis based on the findings so far. 
I have no objection to modifying the wording to reduce any further confusion, but the intention of the current wording is deliberately generic to avoid any attempt to quantify how many or which scholars believe what, and to let the article explain the rest. Adding words like "some", just like adding other words like "all" or "most", looks to me like unnecessary editorializing that doesn't give a more accurate impression of the situation. The current wording has been stable for some time. If there is consensus to change it further, I'm fine with that, but please base it on a review of reliable sources that study this issue. 
Other suggestion: a wording like "has been a matter of scholarly debate" might also work just as well, and more clearly imply that the issue is ongoing. R Prazeres (talk) 18:49, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello User:R Prazeres, if you change it to the wording you suggested in your last paragraph here, I would be fine with that as a WP:COMPROMISE. Please let me know when you have done so. Thanks, AnupamTalk 13:04, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, it's done. I think I actually prefer this wording over the previous one either way. Let me know if it's still unclear. R Prazeres (talk) 17:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording in lead 

message: I get that it has been both a mosque and a cathedral, but most cathedrals that were formerly mosques are not termed "mosque-cathedral".  It would interesting to know when this term was applied here. Greyspeir (talk) 17:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The name has been discussed in previous talks here, and was chosen by consensus and per the cathedral's own official website (). For context: unlike other cathedrals, this building is substantially still the original mosque building and it's the mosque that makes it famous, it's popularly still called the Mezquita, etc. It would actually be odd and confusing to remove the word "mosque" from the title. R Prazeres (talk) 17:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it.  So when did the cathedral's own official website start using that term?  Spain is very progressive, though the Catholic church is not so much. I'd imagine there would be something out there related to when and how it was adopted, and would be an interesting point to make in the article. I'll look myself and see. Greyspeir (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Well so much for that idea. The earliest web reference is from 1982 from the mosque-cathedral's own website. UNESCO calls out the historic center of Cordoba as a world heritage site, mentioning the Great Mosque of Cordoba as part of its listing. Greyspeir (talk) 22:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

text: (ec) Apart from Seville Cathedral, are there actually any other cathedrals that were formerly mosques? Well, yes, but looking at :Category:Former mosques in Spain, most cathedrals there rebuilt completely on the same site, which had often been a Christian church before the Islamic conquests (those city-centre sites are always in demand).  In Seville, only the Giralda tower retains its Islamic style, the rest was pretty thoroughly rebuilt after it became Christian. It's different in Cordoba, where large areas are very little changed since Islamic days. Johnbod (talk) 17:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mezquita-Iglesia de El Salvador, Toledo is a similar case. Johnbod (talk) 18:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of "mosque-cathedral" instead of just "cathedral"