Talk:2006 Haitian general election

message: Please add any information you know about the elections to this page, or if you have links to articles about the elections please add them to the discussion page and I will attempt to sort through them for new information.  --MateoP 01:51, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your editing. I had started the article before logging in, but your job did more than plenty to improve its state. Plus, would you consider a current event template, since this is, of course, an ongoing newspiece. Thanks. --Toussaint 16:05, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  If you can, it would be great to get more information.  I'm going to try and collect information about the candidates and expand on their campaigns.  There is a full list of candidates I found, which I believe is more than 20 people, should I add that?  --MateoP 22:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course! A list of candidates would provide a service to the maintenance of this article as the events progress. Plus, since there are so many candidates for such a (seemingly-trivial) election (and I mean, don't forget the parliamentary elections, which are probably 10 times as confusing and varied), it would be great to have articles (and accompanying resources) on each and every one of them so as to cover as much historic ground as possible. Thanks again. --Toussaint 16:05, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Content needed

message: Please view the list of candidates listed in the article, follow their links, and add anything you happen to know about them from a NPOV, if you will.  I know a little about most of these people but not necessarily a lot about any except for a few.  --MateoP 02:04, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help expand on the candidates

message: An anonymous user editted the page and included this, "witnesses say that the police watched and refused to intervene to protect Jean-Juste from the crowd until many minutes after the assault began."  We need a source on this. I wrote the wikinews article about the arrest and none of the sources from that article said anything about this.  It probably needs to be reworded a little to make it more NPOV, but I have no problem with it staying in if we can identify a source.  I'll go ahead and delete this sentence on Monday if no one (preferrably the person who added it) can identify a source.  --MateoP 20:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need sources about Jean-Juste 

message: Not everybody may agree that the "rebellion" in Feb 2004 was a coup d'etat - but a quick look at 2004 Haiti Rebellion shows that there it is highly POV to sum up the reason for the regime change as due to allegations of election fraud in the 2000 parliamentary elections. There were allegations of fraud, sure, but that's not the whole story... 
Moreover, there's plenty on the page Guy Philippe suggesting that he's a mass-murderer, or at a minimum is extremely closely related to mass murders and mass murderers. This needs to be stated in NPOV style, of course, but for the moment it's missing from the Haitian elections, 2006 page... Anyway, i'll try to find some NPOV way of adding some relevant info. Boud 22:54, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "allegations of election fraud" does not mean that the allegations are true, it just means that this is the reason (or one of the reasons) why the rebellion happened.  I'll try to rephrase that to make sure that it doesn't make it seem like that's the only reason that the rebellion happened.  An about Guy Philippe, you can't use wikipedia as a source for wikipedia, and I know for a fact that many Haiti related articles are highly POV and that's surely one.  If you can found reliable outside sources that show that Philippe was involved in atrocities, please I'd love to see him (for the record I think he probably was, or at bare minimum was involved in drug trafficking but we need sources to include this). I'll clean up the sources you provided earlier also.  --MateoP 23:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV about Guy Philippe and reason for the coup d'etat in 2004 

message: i don't have time to write this up properly right now, so i'm just putting this up here - 
preval:baker:manigat=37%:10%:8%  according to opinion poll by Angus Reid Consultants of 1200 people between 5-12 December 2005:
http://www.haitipressnetwork.com/news.cfm?articleID=7329
ratios for believing in fair, open, transparent elections vs not fair/open/transparent = 43%:36%.
i'm adding charles henri baker just as a stub. he's 3rd in line (even if only at 8%) so he ought to be on the page...
Boud 03:31, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  opinion polls dec 2005 - preval:baker:manigat=37:10:8 

message: Is there an expectation of when the results will be released?  If they will be released relatively soon (a day or so), then I would wait till then to put this on the Main Page.  If it takes a couple of weeks to tabulate everything, I would just put it up now, and again when the count is done.--Pharos 21:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A Haitian friend of mine who claims to be distantly related to Preval told me today that Preval has won with 80% of the vote.  I don't know where to go to verify this, though.  -Kasreyn 04:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it seems he's doing very well in the initial polling and there probably will not be a run-off.  Since I first posted, I've seen that the results it seems should all be in before Saturday.--Pharos 04:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't hold your breath though. It'll take an extra few days to dump all those Préval votes in the sea... Yours cynically, QuartierLatin1968  16:17, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh.  I hate to say it, but it's now looking like you turned out to be right.  Those bastards.  :(  -Kasreyn 17:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, mathematically Préval has won a plurality of the vote.  However, to prevent a run-off, he must also win an outright majority, and as of now it is unclear from the partial results whether he has done so.--Pharos 04:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Kasreyn wrote "If on the other hand it is argued that the data are not reliable, we should remove them from the article". I don't agree with that part. Although I do believe that the results published by the CEP have been fraudulently manipulated, they are an extremely important historical artifact of this election. Our putting up a summary of the "official" (i.e. doctored) results doesn't have to mean that we endorse those results at all. We're just saying, this is what the CEP says. (But that distinction perhaps should be made more explicit on this page...) QuartierLatin1968  00:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, as long as it's pointed out that Wikipedia is quoting a set of figures from some other group's whole cloth, rather than some sort of synthesis.  If we're going to host misleading data, we need to be clear that we did not originate it.  I'm very concerned about building Wikipedia's credibility.  -Kasreyn 05:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results? 

message: Here are some links for anyone feeling comments about foreign interference in the elections could be relevant:
* http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=55&ItemID=9687
* http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=55&ItemID=9685
* http://www.freehaiti.net/articles/2006/02/05/foias-reveal-iri-relationship-with-opl-and-marc-bazin
* http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HIP/2_6_6/2_6_6.html
It would require a bit of thinking of how to NPOV summarise this info and thinking of how (if) it's encyclopedically relevant. Boud 01:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  foreign interference in/after election 

message: Should this page be moved to Haitian presidential elections, 2006 and a separate page made for the general election? That seems to be the way most election pages are organised.--nixie 03:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page name

message: after several thousand blank votes were discounted, giving him the majority needed...
This implies that Preval would not have won if those several thousand had not been discounted.  This isn't something wikipedia knows.  I'm very disappointed that this logical error made it to the front page.
I suggest alternative text:
Former president René Préval is declared the winner of the Haitian presidential election after several thousand blank votes were discounted.  Mr. Preval had a majority of the vote and therefore a run-off election was not held.
This text sticks to the facts, is encyclopedic, and only says what we know.  Again, suggesting that Preval owes his victory to the discarded ballots is unsourced, unproven, and biased.  -Kasreyn 18:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strongly disapprove of wikipedia main page text 

message: Does anyone have a source for this claim?
:During his campaign, he sought to distance himself from any former association with the Lavalas party
From all i've read, this sounds rather hard to believe.Boud 22:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he supports the occupation of Haiti, which Aristide doesn't. He didn't run on the Lavalas Party name. During his campaign advertisements and public appearences, he almost never mentioned Lavalas or Aristide. When talking about the possible re-entry of Aristide into Haiti, Preval said that he wouldn't tolerate the "violence" and "gangs" associated with Aristide. That would add up to a distancing, as far as I can tell. 207.6.31.119 18:36, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I believe there was an external link in the Preval section to a Guardian article pertaining to this topic, but unfortunately, it appears it's no longer available. I guess the Guardian doesn't keep their articles up for long. 207.6.31.119 18:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  preval distancing himself from Lavalas?? 

message: Does anyone have an explanation for the fact that the new figures at the CEP website don't add up? The vote total given for all the candidates is 1,938,641 (I added them all up and this is correct). But at the top of the page is the following table:
 Votes Candidat 1.847.422 88,23%
 Votes Blancs 91.219 4,36%
 Votes Nuls 155.306 7,42%
 Total Votes 2.093.947 100.00%
Here the total cast for all the candidates is given as 1,847,422, plus 91,219 blank votes. These two figures add up to 1,938,641, which is the actual number of votes cast for the candidates. This makes no sense. If there were 91,219 blank votes, they should not be included in the total of votes cast for candidates, and indeed they don't appear in the list, yet the total given appears to include them. Can anyone explain this? (If the correct total of valid votes is 1,847,422, then Preval's percentage should be given as 53.7%). Adam 09:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I noticed a discrepancy while trying to figure out the percentage of "scattered" candidates. Probably the figure of 1,847,422 is left over from a previous version of the page (i.e. when 90% of vote tallies had been counted), or else it's a legacy of the fact that these numbers are basically fraudulent anyway. (Ah, me cynical again! But at least the right man won.) QuartierLatin1968  16:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics again

message: This misspelling does not get recognized when in edit so where can it be found to be corrected? Someone with a better understanding of WP needs to assist. "Independent Movement for National Reconciliation (Mouvement Indépendant pour la Réconcilation Nationale)" = "Independent Movement for National Reconciliation (Mouvement Indépendant pour la Réconciliation Nationale)"Srednuas Lenoroc (talk) 04:43, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The misspellings were on the results tables, which are on separate templates (e.g. ). I have corrected them for you. Number 57 08:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misspelling "Réconcilation" = "Reconciliation" 

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