Talk:Jewish-American organized crime

message: I don't think this article is intentionally anti-semetic, I do agree some have edited to suit their own veiw points.
There is no denying there was Jewish gangsters, as there was Irish, Italian and Polish gangsters in America. It's important to remember these groups have something in common they were alien in a country who wasn't exactly friendly to them, any way I degress do you think we should mention people like Jack "Spot" in the UK?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elitejcx (talk • contribs) 20:28, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: UK?

message: Is this anti-Semitism? This article has existed for a while, I don't know if it's nonsense since the gangsters linked were in fact Jewish, and Murder, Inc. says that a lot of people in it were Jewish? Luigi30 (Taλk) 12:42, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vaguely anti-semetic. There wasn't, to my knowledge, a "Jew Mafia" organized on the basis of being Jewish (who'd run the Speakeasies on Friday nights?) They weren't linked together by a nationality the way the Sicilian mob was. It was more that they happened to be Jewish. I'd see more justification for a page of "Famous Jewish Mobsters". --Happylobster 16:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Jewish Mafia" is mentioned repeaditley on anti-semetic websites . There have never been any Jewish criminals, Jews are god's chosen people and thus cannot commit crimes. These is little more than anti-semetic lies. --24.83.203.198 00:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No criminals, no sports heroes, and no jewelers. They're all Pakistani. --Happylobster 03:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-semitism

message: The page itself is accurate.  I deleted two anti-Semitic links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.191.210.134 (talk • contribs)  
:*I've cleaned up the former stub and have substantially rewritten the article. Regarding the two external links in question however, it is generally expected on Wikipedia to disscuss an issue such as this on the article's talk page before making major changes to an article. MadMax 16:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: *I have deleted a link to a page that is home to remarks of a bigot and pathetic individual. The highly offensive remarks by Dr. Pierce should not be associated with Wikipedia, a website of integrity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.204.182 (talk • contribs)  
:24.107.204.182, 
::I've restored the link so the issue can be discussed before removing the link as a reference, particularly if it is used as a reference in the article. In future, simply removing an external link could be viewed (especially from an anonymous IP) could be viewed as an act of vandalism. MadMax 04:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking through the article, while it does have information of the present day Russian Mafia in the United States (in which the author mentions is predominantly Jewish), the article is largely unsourced and dosen't seem to contain any useful information on Jewish-American organized crime prior to the 1990s. However, it might warrent mention of the opinions of at least one scholar regarding the article itself. MadMax 04:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The site www.ety.com is in whole revisionist and anti-Semitic. This article is not the only one which is disputed. Please, refere to the list  and other anti-Semitic sites support that list and very low estimates (Stormfront and Dannish Holocoust deniel site). So, I removed the link. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 20:05, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-Semitic reference ?

message: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2004/apr/30/516782598.html
Should this be put in a new section (Present Day?) or in Post War? Or should it be in Israeli organized crime? From what I can tell the Sun is not affiliated with the neo-Nazi propagandists like David Duke or his followers. Any thoughts?--Son of More 04:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm..interesting development (considering Las Vegas is alegedly considered an "open city"). In my own opinion, the Lansky-Luciano syndicate gambling operations in Havana and Las Vegas would logicaly be included in a potential "post war" section. This would probably be placed in a present day section. MadMax 19:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegas Syndacate? 

message: The William Pierce linked here is a noted neo-Nazi with terrorist ties who wrote the book that inspired the Oklahoma City bomber, as his own Wikipedia article attests to. I don't see why such a source should be linked to without at least a disclaimer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unwound (talk • contribs) 
:I've placed a template regarding that specific link. I've also brought the issue up at WikiProject Organized crime if you would like to comment on the matter. MadMax 07:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Pierce wrote the Turner Diaries 

message: I moved it back again. No consensus has been reached. User:MadMax's and User:Mafia Expert did not admit that the article could be misunderstood to imply antisemitism. On the contrary: they sustain that the article is a healthy antidote to the antisemitism that already exists around the issue. Do not deliberately misinterpret my contributions. 
For your information: "Wikipedia's decisions are based not on the numerical fact of how many people showed up and voted a particular way. Attempts to change consensus must be based on a clear engagement with the reasons behind the previous consensus - not simply on the fact that today more people showed up supporting position A than position B." (see WP:CON). You also have been involved in another violation of WP:CON: "Asking for a consensus in a completely different 'venue' or section of Wikipedia, in the hope of finding more support for a failed proposal, is known disapprovingly as forum-shopping." See your attempts at Talk:African-American organized crime, Talk:African-American#African-American organized crime, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject African diaspora, Talk:American_Jews#Jewish-American_organized_crime, User_talk:IZAK#African-American_organized_crime and Talk:Greek-American organized crime, which are only there because you do not approve of Jewish-American organized crime. By the way, on Talk:American_Jews#Jewish-American_organized_crime there is also doubt about your proposed change by User:Wassermann: "There is no problem as I see it because "Jewish-American" is the preferred term." - Mafia Expert 13:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jewish American (hyphenated or not) is the preferred academic/mainstream usuage and is by far the most widely used term, so don't listen to them. These are the same people that lobby against keeping the article Jews and Judaism in the United States as the correct article title and 'settle' instead for the bogus "American Jews" EVEN THOUGH ALL OF THE OTHER JEWISH ARTICLES AREN'T TITLED THAT WAY, it's always "Jews and Judaism [by country]," but for some reason "American Jews" seems exempt from this precedent (same with the List of American Jews, etc). Also note that it is :Category:Jewish Americans, NOT :Category:American Jews...thus, the long-standing title of this category can be used as norm/precedent for this article and others. For some reason these people (even though most of them are genuinely good editors) just like to twist and revert valid information constantly, or else they just really like to start useless arguments and edit wars that get on other people's nerves.  --Wassermann 05:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No consensus has been reached

message: On a slightly less contentious note, I think this article could use a little information on Detroit's notorious Purple Gang. I linked it in "See also." Those guys ruled the illegal traffic of booze across the Detroit River from Canada into the U.S. Nobody messed with them, not even Capone. Now, there were some tough Jews. --Steven J. Anderson 20:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Purple Gang]] 

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 21:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: THIS PAGE IS NOTHING BUT ETHNIC SLANDER AND APOLOGIA OF RIGHT-WING ANTI-SEMITIC PHANTASIES. IT MUST BE SPEEDILY DELETED TO STOP RACIST BIGOTRY.
IMAGINE SOME NEONAZI MILITANT READS THIS PAGE AND STARTS BOMBING SYNAGOGUES OR SOMETHING. WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE? WIKIPEDIA MUST TAKE ITS STAND AGAINST ANTI-SEMITIC PHANTASIES. BARELY A HANDFUL OF JEWS HAS NEVER BEEN INVOLVED IN ORGANIZED CRIME ACTIVITIES IN AMERICA AND GLOBALY.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.10.1 (talk) 12:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pfff, don't you think you are exaggerating a bit? - Mafia Expert (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Being partially of Welsh descent I demand that all references to alleged Welsh crime be deleted from Wikipedia;  a page like this, Murray Humphreys, IS NOTHING BUT ETHNIC SLANDER.  Imagine some neo-Norman militant reads this page and starts bombing chapels or something. Who would be responsible ? WIKIPEDIA MUST TAKE ITS STAND AGAINST ANTI-CYMRIC PHANTASIES.Claverhouse (talk) 20:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is not anti-Semetic in any way. There was a Jewish Mafia and they were known as the Kosher Nostra based on the Cose Nostra title of the Italian Mafia. This is not a racist article in any way, but citing the facts. Gangs often add racist terms in their titles to soudn tougher. This is the case with the title "Kosher Nostra". TomUSA 16:13, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: A DREAM FOR HITLERITES

message: Links to be avoided 
Links to blogs, personal web pages and fansites
Evenmoremotor (talk) 16:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to be avoided - Links to blogs, personal web pages and fansites 

message: What's the significance of Frank Rosenthal with Frank Sinatra on the Frank Rosenthal Show? Axl ¤ [Talk] 17:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank Sinatra & Frank Rosenthal 

message: In the After World War II section, we have: Jewish-American organized crime derived from dislocation and poverty, where language and custom made the community vulnerable to undesirables, the sort of thing that fosters criminality among any other ethnicity in a similar situation. Do we have any evidence for this? The reference that was recently added, Christopher Adamson's "Defensive localism in white and black: a comparative history of European-American and African-American youth gangs" ,  deals primarily with youth gangs, rather than adult criminal organizations, and contrasts black and white gangs, rather than positing a universal cause of criminality. If I had to make a guess, I would say that dislocation from the old communities and their institutions, and a historical reluctance to turn in fellow Jews to civil authorities might have played a bigger role than did poverty, but that is just a guess. I don't think the Adamson article sheds much light on this. Peter Chastain (talk) 11:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes 

message: {Jewish American organized crime is part of an entire literature, particularly in the United States, on "tough Jews."}
The whole paragraph that starts with this phrase makes no sence. I rewrote it myself (my rewrite was removed). So someone put a lot of periods in this wacky paragraph. It still makes no sence. What are you trying to say? That there is a lot of literature about Jewish Americans who are 'paticularly in the United States' and are tough? Comon lets get some consensus since the author of this wonderful prose reverts any attempt to change it. Meishern (talk) 11:41, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird Language

message: Why isnt it (this article) called Jewish Mafia? Italian Mafia, Jewish Mafia.... It's (the italian mafia article) not Italian organized crime.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.254.81 (talk) 18:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organized crime ? 

message: Alright so out of 100 arrests 16% were Jews. Who were the other 84%? 30% Italians, 40% Irish? If 16% of all arrestees being Jews is considered a crime way, what would 40% of all arrestees being Irish should be considered? a crime tsunami? How about the present day (2010) murder arrest statics in New York: 64.9% are black, 27.2% are hispanic, 7.3% are white. Does that mean that whites are causing a crime wave? (ref http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/09/18/2008-09-18_blacks_latinos_lead_crime_stats__nypd-2.html) 64.9% is a crime wave. 16% is definitely not. I think the whole sentence should be removed since its POV and biased. Meishern (talk) 03:02, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree. It is properly referenced. - DonCalo (talk) 07:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree that there is a reference from an article written by a distinguished professor of sociology. i will look for a different distinguished professor. On this topic I am sure there are a lot of articles. I am not going to do any reverts or edits, until I have something solid that refutes the misguided view that 16% arrest rate should be described as 'a crime wave'. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 09:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, that is the way to handle these things. Looking forward to your contribution. - DonCalo (talk) 17:30, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

text:  You were right. The crime wave was an urban legend, but believed to be true. The section has been edited to reflect that although many thought there was a Jewish crime wave, in fact there was not. - DonCalo (talk) 19:12, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don, I think we are editing at the same time. I am gonna pause, since I am getting confused, who wrote what. My idea was for me to rewrite, polish it a little, and then you get into article re-shaping and editing it (or vice versa) then i again do it. Its just some of the sentences in the article (from long ago, not you) are grammatically incorrect, run-on sentences, same information being repeated in every section etc. What do you think? Meishern (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, you go first and I will have a look at it later. - DonCalo (talk) 14:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

text: No. You go first. I got final exams this week. I cant do anything constructive. Thinking of blocking Wikipedia so I study instead of editing. lol. Cheers! Meishern (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Jewish Crime Wave in Early 20th Century New York

message: This article is not neutral. 
Too much personal "insight"...this isn't supposed to be your take on the jewish mafia. Please just give the information and not your lame analysis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.90.69.215 (talk) 00:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  SKetchy 

message: Why are people who don't want Jewish immigration because of all the Jewish mobster crime it brings in called anti-Semitic in this article?  Do Italians whine constantly about how nobody loves them and that people are bigots because Italian immigrants are criticized for something negative?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.187.97 (talk) 23:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Semitic 

message: This whole article is vile antisemitism. 84.3.160.86 (talk) 18:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, you're not even Jewish. You're Hungarian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.143.192 (talk) 12:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ban this antisemitic claptrap 

message: What exactly does a Jewish fraternity committing vandalism have to do with Jewish-American organized crime? I think that the section should be removed--Donovan Ellis (talk) 23:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frat article 

message: I was redirected here from Russian chanson in which reads "These songs are often set in the city of Odessa, where the Jewish Mafia was characterized as being particularly cheerful and colorful".  It seems a shame then that this article stands in place of a dedicated one for Jewish Mafia.
Is there an easy way to see what Jewish Mafia might have looked like when it was linked from Russian chanson? Leboite (talk) 10:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Mafia 

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message: As the title says, Eastman wasn't Jewish, he was probably of English descent as stated in multiple sources 37.208.32.56 (talk) 19:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monk Eastman wasn't Jewish 

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