Talk:Fox News/Archive 1

message: I've added a paragraph on this. I've tried to be 'nice' in it. Perhaps others can offer some perspective also. It's reasonably fair to say FOX News is not well-regarded internationally. It's looked on as the McDonald's of news. (US Imperialism accusations, etc.) To be absolutely honest, it cracks me up. It's the sincere claims of neutrality that do it, combined with the hilariously biased reports. I mean, to me, it looks like a parody of US news!!!
I should point out, I'm pretty sure we get a different version of FOX News in Europe - I actually found the US version less hard to watch - of course there was a lot less international news.
Still, I think the perception deserves a mention, in a respectable fashion. It's probably not exactly possible for those in the US to suggest how FOX news is perceived internationally, but I'm sure you have comments nevertheless.
I can only comment on Europe. (Though considering sections of Asia, Mid-east and Africa are more virulently anti-American, I think it's fair to use the term 'internationally').
What do folks in Canada think of FOX News?
Zoney 15:45, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias as seen internationally

message: What is a conservative news story? There is a news story. 10 killed in Georgia, Nuclear weapons found in Iraq, Soviet Union reforms in Stalin's image, etc. There are no conservative or liberal news stories. Ilyanep 01:03, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "Fox only reports Conservative News Stories"

message: The quote I added from Al Franken re: Fox bias was removed as being "POV". The NPOV policy says that our articles are supposed to be presented in such a way as a reader does not know the writer's alliegiences (be they political, religious, etc). That does NOT mean we cannot use POV quotes to make our point. Quite the contrary, it's impossible to write about bias at Fox without including such material. I'd like to see the quote back in, although it should be qualified. It did add relavant information to the article. →Raul654 07:29, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)
Here's a grammar lesson for the self-proclaimed infallible arbiter of neutrality. Put commas and periods within closing quotation marks, except when a parenthetical reference follows the quotation. 172 12:28, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Objection to removal of Franken quote

message: The issue with the Franken quote is not NPOV policy (I apologize for my very very inital miswording) but (A) the scope of the article, as it has been mentioned, we can't cover all issues concerning FOX News. Additionally, (B) we do not need to have half the article about the Bias...all the stuff about the external studies belongs in external links and in my opinion stays there. (C) Al Franken is not a very good source for quoting criticism (for heaven's sake, (C.1) you don't quote extremists in criticisms of people and (C.2) many people will agree that many accusations by Franken are baseless...but that's beside the point). (D) Why are we even including quotes in articles? I think that is the main question. Ilyanep 22:21, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How is Franken an extremist? Unlike Bill O'Reilly he has never threatened to kill anyone.StoptheBus18 15:13, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: When has he done that? Ilyanep (Talk) 14:30, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: I can't find any proof so I rescind the statement.  But O'Reilly has and continues to call people Nazis like Al Franken (who he called Goebbels).  This is a complete triviliazation of the holocaust.  Al Franken, a Jew, is nothing like a group of people who killed 13 million innocents.  To call someone a Nazi like O'Reilly does is inexcuseable and insulting to the victims of the Holocaust.  He should be ashamed.  Also he is a big fat dickhead and so is anyone that likes him.  StoptheBus18 14:41, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I am a jew also, so don't be telling me what's insulting or not. And second of all...I don't appreciate being called a dickhead nor do Millions thousands of people around the world. Ilyanep (Talk) 23:05, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Wait a second, one more thing.  Millions of people around the world???????? Yeah I'm sure Dijibouti has a huge O'Reilly following. StoptheBus18 17:31, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A slight Gaff...corrected. And also, liberals and left-wingers are the ones on the side of the arabs. Left-wingers are the people who made ISrael tear down the wall on the gaza strip. Left-wingers would stop supporting Israel if they had their way. I don't understand how you can be Jewish and left-winged in politics. It's just an oxymoron! Ilyanep (Talk) 17:35, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: What's childish is your insults. "You are the Uncle Tom of the Jewish people." "A Sellout court Jew". "Poops his pants and kicks puppies, and so do you", "he is a big dickhead and so is anyone who likes him". Ilyanep (Talk) 23:42, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not NPOV in question