Talk:Mamma (song)

message: Not sure that "Mama (Connie Francis song)" is the right title for this article as the song was actually written two decades or so before Francis recorded it, and recorded by several other artists before, though hers is probably the most well known version. I recently moved it to "Mama (1941 song)" but decided against that as it had been at "Mama (1960 song)" for a few years. Anybody have any thoughts on this? TheRetroGuy (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your original move to 1941 song since that is when it was written. Many older songs on Wikipedia are done that way since there is no clear cut original performance, even though the song itself had become popular.  It definitely shouldn't be disambiguated with the Connie Francis tag, and I am proposing it be changed back to Mama (1941 song). Thanks. --Wolfer68 (talk) 00:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: do not move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose per Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Naming, which says songs are disambiguated first by artist name. I think it should be by year, but the current style guideline says artist. TJ Spyke 00:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment The article states that it was a popular hit recording in 1946 as well, so why should the disambiguation be "Connie Francis song". We don't have "It's My Life (No Doubt song)" even though their version was arguably the bigger hit and became more well known then the original Talk Talk version. --Wolfer68 (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if it was re-released a few years later? If anything, that is more evidence for keeping it at the current (correct) name. If the song was re-released a few years later, why list one year? TJ Spyke 00:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*Comment. Mama lists nine other songs named "Mama" and each is disambiguated by the artist who made them famous. Listeners rarely know who wrote a song, or when it was written. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose per Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs#Naming, which says songs are disambiguated first by artist name. I think it should be by year, but the current style guideline says artist. TJ Spyke 00:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment The article states that it was a popular hit recording in 1946 as well, so why should the disambiguation be "Connie Francis song". We don't have "It's My Life (No Doubt song)" even though their version was arguably the bigger hit and became more well known then the original Talk Talk version. --Wolfer68 (talk) 05:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So what if it was re-released a few years later? If anything, that is more evidence for keeping it at the current (correct) name. If the song was re-released a few years later, why list one year? TJ Spyke 00:52, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*Comment. Mama lists nine other songs named "Mama" and each is disambiguated by the artist who made them famous. Listeners rarely know who wrote a song, or when it was written. 199.125.109.102 (talk) 21:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The issue wasn't the year but the credit to Connie Francis.  This is not a Connie Francis song, and I don't know of any other disambiguated titles that use the more popular version over the original artist's version.  See Step by Step (Annie Lennox song), an album cut by Annie Lennox but a hit song by Whitney Houston.  The convention of years comes from many songs in the 40s and 50s being recorded as hit versions by multiple artists often at the same time, such as Young Love (1956 song). --Wolfer68 (talk) 18:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me, that the article's title is incorrect. Why is "David Whitfield song" or "Connie Francis song"? It is better "Cesare Andrea Bixio song". Marchfishka (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. The composer should get the credit in the disambig tag, not just one of the many people who happened to record their version of it.  Performers come and go, and everyone will have their own personal favourites depending on which generation they most associate with, but the composer will always be the composer.  The title ought to be Mama (Bixio).   --  ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 02:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additonal comments on the article title