Talk:United States S class submarine

message: 1) "The United States Navy commissioned 48 S-Class submarines between 1920 and 1922." S-1 through S-51 were all commissioned. Also, S-42 through S-47 were not even launched till 1923-24.
2) "S-48 through S-51, built by Bethlehem Quincy." These boats were built by Lake at Bridgeport.
3) "Group II (S-2 class, or "Lake" boats): S-2 through S-17..." S-2 was a prototype, substantially different from S-3 through S-17. (24 feet shorter, 3 feet 3 inches more draft, 75 tons lighter, smaller engine; all differences of 9% or more). S-3 was the BuCR design, built at the Portsmouth Navy Yard, as were S-4 through S-13. S-14 through S-17 were built by Lake to the BuCR design. I have created a separated characteristics section for S-2.
4) "Group I (S-1 class, or "Holland" boats)..." Holland was dead for several years; these were "Elco type".
5) Group I had 2 x 600 HP engines, not 2 x 1200 HP engines. The engine company was Busch-Sulzer, not Sultzer.
6) 900 hp = 670 kW, not 670 W.
I am incorporating these corrections to the article.
Also, "The S class is subdivided into four groups of slightly different designs." Slightly? Group I had a draft of 16 ft. Group IV had a draft of 11 ft and was 55 feet longer.
Style tweaks - it isn't necessary to footnote every data item in a description to the same source page. Added a lot of convert templates.
--Rich Rostrom (Talk) 19:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For #4 on your list, I find references to the first group (S-1) being called the "Holland"-type http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ss-106.htm http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08105.htm http://navsource.org/archives/08/pdf/0829290.pdf (and cannot find them called "Elco", but some references attribute them to being made by the "Electric Boat" company), based on Holland's patents http://navypedia.org/ships/usa/us_ss_s1.htm so I will revert that name change. Whether dead or alive, the designs are attributed to him.  The "Lake" group apparently was in response to avoid infringing on those patents http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ss-s.htm.--MartinezMD (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible errors and contradictions in this article 

message: Peru purchased 4 "R" class submarines in 1926-28; not the "S" class as the article mention.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.236.84.156 (talk) 00:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The searching I've just done seems to confirm this.  I removed it from the article just now. MartinezMD (talk) 04:16, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  R vs. S 

message: According to most renown authors, such us Norman Polmar and Norman Friedman, S-boats were not a class. They were just a series rather, than class. And inside the series, there were no "groups", but classes.... Classes of completely different competing designs of submarines, just different classes AND types:
* Holland-Electric Boat design Type I: S-1 class submarines (S-1 ~ S-41)
* Holland-Electric Boat design Type II: S- 42 class submarines (S-42 ~ S-47)
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* Simone Lake TYPE I: S-2
* Simone Lake TYPE II: S-48 class submarines (S-48 ~ S-51)
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* Bureau of Construction and Repair Type: S-3 class submarines (S-3 ~ S-17)
So, according to sources, such as The American Submarines, U.S. Submarines through 1945 and Fontenoy's Submarines: An Illustrated History of Their Impact, there was not "S-class submariones", there were just S-1 class, S-42 claas, S-2 claas submarines, S-3 and S-48 class submarines, so-called "S-boats". Each class had different design, sometimes radically different, especially between Hollands-EB's boats and Lake's boats. Calling them all together as "S-class submarines" is a kind of paranoia and paradox. --Matrek (talk) 02:58, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd generally agree. Lenton does group them together, as much for convenience as anything, & as I understand it, the Navy treated them as a class.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  13:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no S-class submarines.