Talk:Imidacloprid effects on bees

message: It would be helpful if there was an study or mention of the level present in honey.  If nectar contains 1.5ppb then when concentrated into honey what is the level.  The second question becomes what level of pesticide would consumers prefer to be ingesting.Wfarler 18:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question! I wish I knew. Please see also  http://civileats.com/2010/10/15/sorry-new-york-times-the-bee-die-off-case-is-not-closed Ginger Conspiracy (talk) 03:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: http://www.bayer-kills-bees.com/ is an advocacy site which I am planning to add to the external links anyway because it gets updated frequently with some news items that probably need to be in the 2011 section. 99.39.5.103 (talk) 00:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bayer-kills-bees.com 

message: I am having problems with a certain editor who is reverting this document without discussing on the talk page.  I am willing to defend my statements and references on a point by point basis if there is any question about what I wrote.  Currently, there is no consensus in the scientific community that viruses or parasitic flies are the cause of CCD.  Furthermore, I have questions about whether this is relevant to a discussion of imidacloprid and bees, the topic of the page. JSimpson55 (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You do not have any right to grill me about who I am. You also do not have the right to use text copied straight from a study; that is a copyright violation. Finally, the text you chose from the Hahn et al study was cherry-picked for its positive character. Hahn is very clear that imidacloprid is fatal to bees. Binksternet (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: He has--he works with this product and is concerned that customers may read this article and become alarmed about the environmental effects. Gandydancer (talk) 13:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Document 

message: Added a more accurate and scientifically descriptive depiction on how this material kills the insect and its selectivity to insects.  Calling it a neurotoxin is not scientifically accurate as it is too broad a statement.Tcpro52 (talk) 15:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In Germany public and scientific opinion is since 2010, that the Varroa mite is main cause of CCD, see The German bee monitoring project: a long term study to understand periodically high winter losses of honey bee colonies and German article. --Cvf-ps (talk) 18:12, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Tcprosser, please provide a citation for the statement that CCD is continuing in France. – monolemma t – 06:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mode of action on insect nervous system 

message: I'm working on adding detailed explanations of neonicotinoid mode of action (molecular basis of effectiveness on insects, as well as molecular basis of noneffectiveness on mammals) to Neonicotinoid. It's a biologically subtle selectivity, and some secondary/tertiary sources on the matter are incorrect. 
There's a very long section on that page about Imidacloprid effects on bees. I'd appreciate it if an editor of this page could try to integrate any information that's in Neonicotinoid but not in Imidacloprid effects on bees into this page, as well as reducing that section in Neonicotinoid to 1-2 paragraphs. TIA! 
– monolemma t – 19:32, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long section on neonicotinoid page 

message: "In 1999, the French Minister of Agriculture suspended the use of imidacloprid on sunflower seeds and appointed a team of expert scientists to examine the impact of imidacloprid on bees. In 2003, the panel of expert scientists called the Comite Scientific et Technique issued a 108-page report, which concluded that imidacloprid poses a significant risk to bees.[7] In 2004, the French Minister of Agriculture suspended the use of imidacloprid as a seed treatment for maize (corn)."
Is imidacloprid a "seed treatment" ?   Imidacloprid needs to be applied to growing plants,  so that it is distributed by the plants' internal fluid flows to all parts of the plant,  where it poisons insects that eat the plant, or suck the plants' fluids.   A seed treatment usually is to prevent the seed being eaten while it is still a seed,  or to inhibit fungal attack on the germinating seed.  I don't think imidacloprid would work as a seed treatment.Eregli bob (talk) 08:08, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's definitely used as a seed treatment. Mode of action studies I've read indicate that imidacloprid enters the seedling as the seed coat breaks down and remain in the upper plant tissue for long enough to be effective. I don't recall offhand exactly where I read this, but if you want a ref, let me know and I'll try to find it. – monolemma t – 05:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Here's a 2012 study in PLoS One about clothianidin coated maize: link. The authors state that "virtually all" of the corn planted in the United States is coated with a neonicotinoid. They specifically mention that one benefit of neonicotinoids is that they are translocated by plants. This 2011 study (abstract) states that neonicotinoids are found in high concentration in guttation fluid of plants grown from coated seed. – monolemma t – 06:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seed treatment ? 

message: For NPOV, I am removing the statement that Imidacloprid is a "Neurotoxin". It's acute oral LD50 puts it in a "moderately toxic" range. The wikilink included for Neurotoxin leads to a page dealing with mammalian neural systems only. The word is being used outside of a standard toxicological definition.83.70.170.48 (talk) 13:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I replaced the word with sourcing  that seems acceptable.Gandydancer (talk) 13:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neurotoxic 

message: Where did the balance go from this article?  Has anyone with half a clue given up fighting the wave of anti-insecticide publicity?  Lithopsian (talk) 10:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia does not "fight the wave", it rides the wave. We describe the newsworthy press and the scholarly studies. Binksternet (talk) 12:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by balance? The title of the article is "Imidacloprid effects on bees", not "Does imidacloprid have an effect on bees?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balance 

message: This is not a good Wikipedia article. It is out of date, with little information after 2012. It does not represent a balanced point of view. Most importantly, its content overlaps substantially with other Wikipedia pages including Imidacloprid, Colony collapse disorder, Pesticide toxicity to bees, and Neonicotinoids. I propose that 
the existing content is merged into Pesticide toxicity to bees. Hanjaf1 (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In the absence of voices to the contrary, I have edited some relevant content to Pesticide toxicity to bees and replaced the page with a redirect. Hanjaf1 (talk) 21:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal