Talk:Chalav Yisrael

message: I have rewritten the introductory paragraph. The old introductory paragraph was a general introduction, not linked directly to the rest of the article. It was also lifted verbatim from the Star-K web site and a possible copyright violation. --Redaktor 15:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introductory paragraph

message: Surely the subject of this article should be Cholov akum (the main concept). The expression cholov Yisroel is relatively recent and is used to indicate that a product does not contain cholov akum.--Redaktor 22:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there be on article on each term: Cholov yisrael, Cholov Akum, and Cholov Stam. On the hebrew wikipedia the article for this subject is Cholov akum  with the other terms like cholov Yisrael redirecting to that article. Shlomke 23:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject 

message: The change to 'Sephardic' spelling was made without any discussion. Most of the discussion on this subject is by people who use the Ashkenazi pronunciation,This is borne out by Google test: 25000 hits for Cholov Yisroel v 15800 for Chalav Yisrael. Please revert to the long-standing spelling. --Redaktor 22:48, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is currently entitled "Cholov Yisroel", so that's how it should be spelled for consistency--it looks silly to say the topic is "cholov" and then talk all about things that are "chalav" instead (see WP:ARTCON for this as a standard guideline). If a different spelling is more correct, feel free to file a move request. DMacks (talk) 17:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

text: I'd say this is compatible to WP:ENGVAR. When an article has been started in a particular spelling, strong consensus is required for a move. JFW | T@lk 19:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

text: I now see that I moved this page to Chalav Yisrael in 2007 (that's 6 years ago, no surprise I needed refresh my memory). Having seen WP:ENGVAR in action, I now believe that Chalav Yisrael is the preferred spelling, but that the page should not be moved without consensus. JFW | T@lk 19:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chalav Yisrael 

message: This article cites almost no sources and most of what is written is either highly controversial or debatable at best. I propose rewriting the entire thing after the lead section and including only sourced material.--Winchester2313 (talk) 01:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fails most basic policies in its present form. 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
* Comment - I am relisting this, and also putting up a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism, to try to get some more input into the debate.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, whatever happens with move the lead really should identify "Ashkenazi" "Sephardi" not just use "or" - we wouldn't give British vs American spellings in a lead with just "or". A model lead would be good to include in :Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style (regional). At the moment there is no MOS:HEBREW. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would reemphasize that whatever "wins", the opposite spelling must be present as a redirect. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This will certainly be the case. Currently there is a redirect :Chalav Yisrael→:Cholov Yisroel. If the page is renamed to the other one, the redirect would be reversed. DMacks (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: As an anonymous user stated above, the construct state should be used here (meaning "milk of Israel"; otherwise the literal translation would be "milk Israel" – quite nonsensical, if you ask me) and thus the vowelization is chataf-patach (under the chet). However, the anonymous user is mistaken regarding the patach under the lamed. Rather, the lamed receives a tzere as in  לֹא תְבַשֵּׁל גְּדִי בַּחֲלֵב אִמּוֹ. I edited the article accordingly. See also similar discussions at Talk:Shalom bayit. -- -- -- 22:44, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Hebrew pronunciation