Talk:Fetal alcohol syndrome

message: "The main effect of FAS is permanent central nervous system damage, especially to the brain." Whatever isn't central in the nervous system is not the brain since the brain is the central nervous system and what's not the central nervous system is the preiferal nervous system, that is the nervous system that is not a part of the brain. Sounds like Kyle's mom wrote that sentence to begin with.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.213.206 (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, that sentence does "feel" a little awkward and could be re-worded. Please note, however, the CNS includes the brain and spinal cord, so the sentence does make sense. Some education in neuroscience would highlight the differences in the types of neurotransmitters and complexity of the pathways in these two gross sections of the CNS (e.g. GABA is found primarily in the brain, while the smaller, faster Glycine is found in the spinal cord); the distinction is actually a very important one if you wish to understand how FAS may exert its primary effect. An ethanol (alcohol) sensitive GABA receptor, for instance, has recently been identified, so one might expect a differential effect upon the brain and spinal cord.--Bthomas001 (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This sentence doesn't make sense:

message: The importance of having both this and the Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder articles has been clearly articulated on Talk:Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder. We'll be working on pruning and editing this article to improve it and separate it from the FASD article to have appropriate cross referencing, conformity to Wiki standards, and so forth, while paying attention to the importance of diagnostic versus functional similarities. Here's to a lot of great work to come, MLHarris 03:32, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarify and distinguish FAS and FASD

message: Fetal alcohol syndrome was awarded GA on August 10, 2006,  by , who was subsequently blocked.  Fetal alcohol syndrome was moved to an inaccurate article title—Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder— on January 12 2007.  .  The talk page, and GA, was also moved.  Per discussion at Talk:Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder, the correct name of the medical condition is Fetal alcohol syndrome.  I am restoring the GA to the article upon which it was conferred.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also like to request that, since this appears to of just been some complicated misunderstanding about article titles, that nobody fail this article straight off of the GA page for the time being, it seemed pretty good at the time it was passed, even though it is of course now very unstable with everything being moved about. Homestarmy 17:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's not unstable at all.  Everything has been consensual so far.  The discussion has been over how to fix this grand mess that was made by a faulty move.  We're trying to get it right; not really unstable at all.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then I ultra don't support anyone delisting this article based on the mess of page moves :) . Homestarmy 17:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correcting GA 

message: I think I've now removed most of the traces of FASD from the article, although I'm not clear how to eliminate the four diagnostic systems that aren't recognized.  Once that is done, the next step might be to copyedit the article in order to prosify the overuse of the terms i.e., e.g., and etc.  All of those abbreviations need to be converted to prose.  Some attention to wikilinking may also be needed, per WP:CONTEXT.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ready for copy edit 

message: Wow... lots of great work, and yet as I read it over, I struggle with the basic conceptualization of FAS as it relates to FASD and how to describe it in a way that incorporates good Wikipedia editing processes and still maintains accuracy and completeness. I think I have hit upon a metaphor with diabetes and pre-diabetes. The conditions are different but related and some aspects of each are the same (and perhaps should have their own article status). In this case, pre-diabetes typically precedes type 2 diabetes, but it is still a diabetic-related condition. A symptom of both is high blood sugar levels, and the same test (diagnostic procedure) is used for both--there isn't a separate test for diabetes and pre-diabetes, and yet diabetes requires more symptoms or more severe symptoms. The same is true of FAS and other FASD conditions (FAS is an FASD condition)--the same diagnostic systems are used to operationalize the (rather vague) ICD criteria of FAS; that which is not FAS is another condition (with no ICD diagnosis), but they are all a Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FAS, PFAS, ARND, and the older terms FAE and ARBD)--just like diabetes and pre-diabetes are diabetic-type conditions (or, at the least, high blood sugar conditions). All four diagnostic systems diagnose FAS, but they also "diagnose" other conditions. The same is true of outcomes and treatment: The disabilities are the same--there is a range, of course, but someone with ARND (read, FASD) can have just as severe disabilities or worse as someone with FAS, just without the facial features or growth deficiencies. This also means the treatment strategy is the same for FAS as for other FASD conditions--the specifics are tailored to the individual differences/disabilities based on the functional problems that arise in each case. It isn't simply a matter of pruning a reference from either article because the condition is not in the title. A good example is Streisguth's book, titled "Fetal Alcohol Syndrome"--despite the title, the content of the book includes a lot of material on FAE (read, ARND in today's terms, and still an FASD condition based on 2004 terminology referenced in the IOM diagnostic document)--the title may say FAS, but FAE (and therefore FASD) information is in it, too. This is a strong challenge in general... explaining the condition in simplest terms--the field isn't there yet, but it is progressing. I think a possible way to address the commonalities between the FAS article and the FASD article is by having summaries and supporting articles on the diagnostic systems, outcomes, and treatment. The article as it is now is getting to be very much technically in shape and is certainly not inaccurate, but it is also less complete by having virtually no mention of FASD (the same is true of the FASD article to a greater degree). I hope this makes sense, as I am rushed to go to work, and I am truly sorry that I don't have long stretches of time to be more involved, but we'll get it soon enough. Thanks, MLHarris 14:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm rushing out for the day as well, ML; will get back on this tonight.  Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagnostic systems and related items 

message: Does Alfred E. Neuman, the mascot of Mad magazine, manifest physical characteristics typical of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome? Will someone familiar FAS please add the appropriate material to this article, and to the article on Alfred E. Neuman.  Josh-Levin@ieee.org 14:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alfred E. Neuman

message: In past voluminous and ill-remembered reading, I've come across the assertion that belief in Changelings (fairy pseudo-infants swapped for abducted human infants) was particularly common in rural Ireland because of the population's high consumption of Poteen, resulting in a particularly high incidence of FAS. There does seem to be some correlation between FAS facial signs/symptoms and traditional concepts of fairy appearance. It might be worth adding something about this if sources can be tracked down. One also wonders if there are parallel causes of similar traditional beliefs elsewhere. 87.81.230.195 (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection with Fairies (No, honestly!) 

message: Althought I have seen a real FAS adult who looks like a fairy with long, glowing silvery blonde hair we read about as children.  If that's what you meant?  Oh by they way, rigorous exercise stimulates the brain as well.  Ronewirl (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairies, Really 

message: The referenced articles estimate the prevalence of FAS at 1 per 1000 to 5000 live births (the article says '0.2 to 1 per 1000'; rearranged for clarity). Down Syndrome, which results in an arguably greater deficit, is estimated to occur in 1 per 800 to 1000 live births. This is a generally accepted rate, and is cited in the Down Syndrome article here on Wikipedia. If the author's intent is to highlight the difference in distribution of prevalence by age of the mother (Down Syndrome occurs more often in children born to older mothers), then this should be clarified. On average, Down Syndrome is actually the most common cause of mental retardation.--Bthomas001 (talk) 01:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Prevalence Rates: Causes of Mental Retardation

message: This article needs an image of a real child with FAS.  Also needs a section on epidemiology around the world. --Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:57, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I've spent some time working on an Indian reservation, and, anecdotally, there is a much higher rate of FAS among Native peoples than among the rest of us. Does anyone have info to back this up (or discredit it)? Rjferreiro (talk) 20:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographic information

message: According to the most cited academic article (in Scopus scientific database) the prevalence of FAS is "nearly one in every 100 live births". I'm changing the prevalence to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.192.118 (talk) 15:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographic information

message: This section is basically irrelevant in that it gives advice for a teacher who has a student with FAS, which should be be present in this article on FAS. This isn't a manual for dealing with FAS; it's an encyclopedia entry. Should we remove it? 69.117.15.69 (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Education Section

message: While "Alcohol-related neurodevelopmental disorder" does redirect to this article, "ARND" does not direct to this article, it goes somewhere else (a comic book character?).   There should be a disambiguation page for this...   I don't know how to make one, sorry.   Could someone do this?   --159.178.228.148 (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARND does NOT direct to here 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Fetal alcohol syndrome's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "May-2001":
From Binge drinking: 
From Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 15:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Fetal alcohol syndrome]] 

message: I am not expert enough in Wikipedia's style & various policies to change/delete it myself, but the whole paragraph under the contents box is certainly not fit for an encyclopedia, either in content or style, not to mention the total absence of references... sounds more like a half rant, and is close to vandalism, anybody out there expert in the subject care to delete the paragraph and maybe extract relevant information, if any, for other sections of the article? if nothing happens in a week or so, I'll delete it without further warning.
darwinbot 23:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph under contents box 

message: the information provided in the Cause section of this article is incorrect. There is NO safe amount of alcohol during pregnancy. The CDC guidelines should be quoted under this section which states "Women who are pregnant, planning a pregnancy, or at risk of pregnancy should be advised not to drink, as no safe threshold of alcohol use during pregnancy has been established. Non pregnant childbearing-aged women should be advised to drink no more than seven drinks per week and no more than three drinks on any one occasion." http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/documents/fas_guidelines_accessible.pdf
There is great danger in stating in this article that women can drink a certain number of alcoholic drinks during pregnancy. As a mother raising two children with FAS I can say it is a difficult road for these children. We need to quit lying to women by telling them this is safe. Even the CDC acknowledges that there is NO SAFE AMOUNT! If women knew this and were told the truth there would be a whole lot less children suffering with FAS which is 100% preventable. 
I agree that it seems that FASD is 100% preventable but because organic brain injury can be caused very early in the pregnancy (the facial features are damaged if alcohol is consumed during the period of pregnancy called gastrulation which occurs around the 19 and 20th day of pregnancy), and because alcoholism is a disease, in essence it really isnt 100% preventable117.120.18.133 (talk) 05:03, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia medical content must be supported by reliable sources. We try to reflect the scholarly and medical consensus as described in peer-reviewed scientific journal articles, graduate-level textbooks, etc. The relevant Wikipedia guideline is Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email)  09:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause  

message: In this section eight factors are described that are "universal protective factors". One of them is rather shocking: "Having basic needs met for at least 13% of life". So a child not having its basic needs met for 87% of life - that is, almost all the time - still lives in an environment providing protective factors???? Unfortunately I have no access to the source, but could someone who does, check it? Lova Falk talk 08:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protective factors and strengths 

message: I think we need to standardise this article and seeing how the title of the article conforms better with American English (as the British spell it foetal alcohol syndrome) and there is already a number of words spelt the American way (e.g. organization, meter and generalization are the three examples I saw) in this article we might as well put our feet down and make it official on this talk page. I would just do it myself but I felt I should get consensus. Fuse809 (talk) 07:11, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling variations

message: The average IQ is 68, which is below average. Hoeksema, Susan. "Neurodevelopmental and Neurocognitive Disorders." Abnormal Psychology. 6th ed. Boston: McGraw-Hill, 2007. 296. Print.
Gmercado9 (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would like to add this sentence in the third bullet point of the "functional" subheading to add more statistics.  

message: I was looking about to see if there was an existing article on animal models of alcohol consumption where research on the topic could be related, but did not find one.  I don't want to "contaminate" this medical article with animal model research information.  Thoughts on where such might be found / put?  Or would you suggest creating an article to cover this? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:16, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal models of FAS, FASD and other alcohol-related disorders 

message: Why does this redirect page interlink to various wikipedia articles in other languages. This is something that should surely only happen with articles and disambiguation pages. Does this have anything to do with the authority control tag on the redirect. Especially given that the article this page redirects to Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder appears on this list of articles to be translated into foreign languages. The article is linked at wikidata here and this redirects is linked here. I'll write on the latter's discussion page but unless I get objections on this page or that discussion page I will be making changes to the wiki database in the next day or two. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 01:14, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Having looked further, it seems like the wikidata link here to this redirect is the correct one. The one that currently links to Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder should be left to the Portuguese, which has 2 articles on the subject. Spanish is the only other language with 2 articles because I just wrote the second one, and I can fix the Spanish to only have one article. So IMO the English article should link to the foreign language articles on this page as should the articles in Chinese, Persian and Oriya. I will fix all this on wikidata tomorrow, unless somebody objects here. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 01:44, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue has now ben resolved at wikidata, see Fetal alcohol spectrum disorder. This means there wont b any more duplicating articls from this list. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 01:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Interwiki links