Talk:April Uprising of 1876

message: i have added a couple of citations regarding the numbers killed as the original (30000) was exaggerated and obviously from a biased source. Many of the other facts are also unsupported. I will try and add some more balanced input, especially analysis in the last section of the article. Suicup 10:00, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: It is proposed that the article Cherry cannon be merged into this article, as the Cherry cannon article is short, unlikely to grow and applies primarily, if not entirely, to this uprising. --Bejnar (talk) 05:05, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merging. --Lantonov (talk) 06:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Support merging. RedSkunktalk 18:37, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Done, with added references, 8 January 2009. --Bejnar (talk) 17:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from Cherry cannon

message: The article lacks any mentioning of the extensive Russian involvement in staging the April uprising with the intent to cause severe casualties on the local Muslim population and as such justify Russian intervention. The fact is that Russian was behind the chain of events and Bulgarian agents were used, it is wrong to portray this as a spontaneous Bulgarian uprising having in mind that it was not even supported widely by the Bulgarian population it self.  REF: Turkey in Europe. by Baker, James lieutenant-colonel., 1877 and Dr.Hamlin Head of the American Christian Mission in Turkey. There a lot of sources on the matter. Key point of Baker’s claim is that the so called massacres of Bulgarians which was made famous by Gladstone is perpetrated Russian agents dressed as Turks to gain pretence to start another war with the Ottoman Empire to gain territory. This discovery by Baker debunks the whole of Gladstone’s speech.Hittit (talk) 08:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  A direct quote from 1877 Newspaper: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1366097 The Brisbane courier. I can find the original book from 1877 if necessary Hittit (talk) 10:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am familiar with the book of Justin McCarthy and yet I fail to see a reference to it in the articles regarding the April Uprising. My point being in order to achieve a netural stand poit on historical events it is necessary to explore different sources and triangulate. Maintaining that the reason for the April Uprising is based solely on some notion for the liberation of Bulgaria (claiming that the instigation and prepartion was in the hands of Bulgarians them selves is also missleading) ending in an a mindless slaughter of Bulgarian population is bias and untrue version of history. Russia used the situation in her advantage, most relevant figures in these uprisings were Russian trained agents sent to Bulgaria with a mission. Hittit (talk) 12:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

text: For what ever reason you might want to exclude Russian involvement in the April Uprising, however you know that such events are hardly the result of public enthusiasm particularly when the Bulgarian middle-class population did not support an uprising. Your other comment on the use of primary sources does not seem to be a problem when quoting the Russian collaborator MacGahan who spend years trying to become part of Russian nobility in the 1870s prior to his preposterous accusations of Turkish massacres in 1876…ou yes and his long time friendship with Mikhail Skobelev prior to the Russo-Turkish War in 1877 seems only elevated his status as an independent journalist and war correspondent. Have a nice day! Hittit (talk) 13:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Preparation Section and Russian Involvement

message: I don't know why all mention of muslims being killed in the ethnic tensions was removed, so I've put it back in the "Outbreak and suppression" section. It is relevant to understanding the nature of nationalist/sectarian uprisings. M-Henry (talk) 20:36, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Outbreak and suppression

message: How can someone find the following quote trustworthy? None of the Muslims call themselves Mohammedan, any person who is somewhat familiar with the Ottoman society would know that. Also, there is nothing of such sort of a belief in Islam; on the contrary, Islam prohibits very strongly murdering of any non-Muslims unless there is no other way to stop their violence, given that they are violent, let alone children and women that are non-combatant. Last but not least, no one can ever bu sure of Paradise according to Islam.
I am not saying that such things did not happen; what I am saying is that the quote is not reliable. 
"The reason is simple. When a Mohammedan has killed a certain number of infidels he is sure of Paradise, no matter what his sins may be ..."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.248.222 (talk) 03:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyewitness Account 

message: Can someone with the right expertise and adequate grasp of English correct the following the sentence please?  There both grammar and logic ( In Europe? ) problems here.  Thanks.
"In Europe, in the eighteenth century, the classic non-national states were the multi-ethnic empires such as the Ottoman Empire, ruled by a Sultan and the population belonged to many ethnic groups, which spoke many languages."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.221.52 (talk) 19:24, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic sentence 

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