Talk:Milton Keynes

message: In my opinion, the 'Culture, Education, Media & Sport' tab should be spilt into separate tabs as in my opinion it would make the article easier to follow. User:Xboxsponge15 (talk)  20:19, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections, just go ahead and change it Abcmaxx (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: How? Each topic is too small in itself. The government uses "Culture, Media and Sport", with Education separate: would that do? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 'Culture, Education, Media & Sport' tab should be split into separate tabs 

message: Expanded the section, but the sources although reliable could be a lot better, if anyone knows where to find this information then please do not hesitate to add it. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if these belong at the Borough article? Otherwise we need to include the twins of the constituent towns, like Ploegsteert with Wolverton (if I remember correctly). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:20, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  @John Maynard Friedman As far as I found, these belong to the twinning of Milton Keynes itself. I think the German borough-equivalent of Bernkastel-Wittlich is twinned with the Borough of Milton Keynes, which is where Bernkastel-Kues is which is twinned with Milton Keynes. However, at this point though I'm happy to be corrected where necessary. Although as Milton Keynes expands, the distinction between borough and the city will be ever more blurred, I would argue that the cases of Newport Pagnell, Bletchley, Wolverton, already has blurred the divisions. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, accepted. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have time to check the citations but how current are they? I remember researching the twin town issue a few years back and couldn't find any evidence of a current formal twinning arrangement with any other city. Almere was mentioned specifically as a 'partner' city with common interests but no more. The arrangement with Bernkastel had completely lapsed. If we are giving this list as current information then the citations need to be no more than a couple of years old, IMO. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:05, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Twinning was "a thing" last century. Very BI (Before Internet). So at best, this section is very minor history, but IMO it is just clutter. Given the work you've put in, I'm sorry but I have to vote for delete. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 10:30, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

text: Yes, that would work better: narrative would give it context whereas a list leaves too much to the imagination. My concern is really about any suggestion that these relationships are active or at least recognised by both sides (something on miltonkeynes.gov.uk, for example). The Bernkastel one has definitely lapsed and the Almere one never became formal. I know there is a lot of Chinese interest in MK, they are creating a lot of new cities (they don't get out of bed for less than a million). --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

text: yes that is a big improvement. I edited it slightly because the word city just invites the trolls in. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:38, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinning / partner cities 

message: Recognising the emerging consensus, I have changed the article so that now it reads "the largest town in Buckinghamshire" (rather than "a large town in Buckinghamshire"). The revised edition is objectively true though rather more stolid. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:35, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If I may add late to the discussion, I think using words like Small, Medium or Large are confusing. To me you can't judge a settlement as one of those based on its population. Sure a hamlet can have less then a 100 or a city less then a 10000 or so. But to me it's more important to use heritage sites and history sites for words like market minster cathedral industrial or suburban. 
If we started calling Monmouth small but Ross on Wye medium. Arguments would arise over the use of medium sized to smaller or small. 
Some settlements are smaller or bigger then others but to me. If it's a market charter and town council or status. It's a market town. If it's a cathedral status for a city then it's cathedral city like Ripon York Lincoln and Wakefield and so on.
Articles are usually written from a pov and neutral stance by authors on sources so to me find a historical status from ages back to establish the right term. As many say terms are debated and unless widely recognised or used. It's subjective using small medium or large.
I'd rather just read ie "Fakenham is a market town in Norfolk, England" then "Fakenham is a medium-sized market town in the region of East Anglia in the county of Norfolk in eastern England". That's too much reading to me. Simplified is best for everyone who isn't bothered with in depth regions and sizes of towns. 
DragonofBatley (talk) 16:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Meanwhile

message: Basically starts with 'for MK see a completely different page' (For Milton Keynes, the original village, see Middleton, Milton Keynes)
Why can't we have a page entitle MK actually be about MK ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.225.1.35 (talk) 13:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Because there are three places all called Milton Keynes. Many articles have this kind of redirection up front, it saves a lot of arguments. See for example Boston. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:33, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst page on the wiki ? 

message: Milton Keynes is a city in England.
Population: 287,100 (2021 Census) 84.70.204.42 (talk) 16:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:30, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Specifically, (a) MK is still a "city-designate": city status must wait until HMQ has put her mark on the Letters Patent; (b) the figure of 287,100 is for the Borough of Milton Keynes, which is a lot bigger than MK itself. The ONS has not yet released the Built-up Area data. No reliable sources exist to support the change requested.  --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2022 

message: This is my competition bid: CMK from Great Holm (April 23) --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I took it from the playground in Great Holm (52.033631, -0.794748), which has a very good vantage point. Someone else with a better camera, sunnier day, clearer sky, moodier cloud, whatever, may do better. There is also a good view from Portway between Fulmer St and Tattenhoe St if anyone feels lucky enough to stand on the middle of the roadway to take the shot.  --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried my skyline shot in the group, but the result was just not good enough. My feeling is that it won't ever be possible to get a suitable shot from ground level: the skyline is just too thin. I suspect that will really need someone with a drone-mounted camera at maybe 50 metres above ground over Linford Wood or Campbell Park to do it justice. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:14, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: CMK skyline competition

message: A more recent pic is needed but, given the importance of the Cock and the Bull in its history, it is important that they be included. I will take a new pic next time I'm up that way (unless someone gets there first). --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:06, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Stony Stratford High Street

message: I am about to replace the 19812010 table with the latest equivalent, 19912020 so I thought it may be useful to future editors to keep a copy of the old table here:
𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:04, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . Average temps (min, max) have increased by about 0.3°C. Rainfall is much the same, sunshine up by about 3 hours per month. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather records 

message: Should there be a pop culture reference to the common misconception especially abroad, that the town is named after prominent economists Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes? Outside of the UK this is the common although incorrect assumption. 220.253.111.35 (talk) 05:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, the section Milton Keynes#Name explains the origin clearly. It would be nice to be be able to say that the De Cahaignes (the boat people from Normandy, 1066) were ancestors of J M Keynes but, although probable, is not evidenced. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 23:38, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should there be a reference to the common name misconception? 

message: Should we change most uses of "CMK" in the article to "city centre"? I suspect that it was originally written that way as device to avoid using the word "city" before status was granted. It looks a bit cliquish to me but does it matter? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 12:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "CMK" v "the city centre" 

message: MK editors may wish to comment (at talk:Buckinghamshire#Infobox image selection) on the choice of the (replica) Concrete Cows to represent the city. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:57, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox picture at the Buckinghamshire article 

message: I asked this at Talk:Central_Milton_Keynes#Photos_by_"John_Chryslar"; I'll ask here as well. I notice that several photos by Flickr user  "John Chryslar"  have been uploaded and are in use for Milton Keynes articles. This Flickr user has participated in a hoax with dishonestly photoshopped images (see Admin noticeboard, Noticeboard on Commons for details).  The user has since been placed on Commons Flickr user blacklist. Has anyone noticed anything strange or suspicious about their Milton Keynes related photos? -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos by "John Chryslar"