Talk:Widow's peak

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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) 10:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: this

message: I think the illustration photograph is particularly poor, in that the subject seems to have a more or less straight hair line. There could surely be a better example of this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timb0h (talk • contribs) 14:49, 8 May 2006.
:I agree, the current photo is a poor choice.--Atlantima 16:19, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it. LDHan 01:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: no. Skiendog (talk) 18:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

message: "Widow's peak is a trait that is associated with baldness. Persons who possess the trait develop baldness before others without the trait." Says who? Is there any evidence for this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.23.0.238 (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual 

message: Not sure if there should be a section for it.  Eddie Munster, for example. Шизомби (talk) 15:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In fiction 

message: Is this worthy of an encyclopaedia? Perhaps it should be a list of people notable for having a widow's peak?--91.84.179.225 (talk) 01:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No it shouldn't be there, and as you can see, I removed the list here and stated why I was removing it, and it was re-added with absolutely no explanation whatsoever. The list is inappropriate for the reasons I described, and I have removed it again. Acalamari 17:56, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Upon discovering this article just today, I was very surprised it did not list any notable living people who have widow's peak as examples. The absence of this seemed to suggest that only fictional characters have widow's peak. I'm re-adding the list, suggest paring it down instead of completely removing it if you think it detracts from the article. Or we can have a vote! (but no edit war, of course :-P) --Bcjordan (talk) 18:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we need a list of people who supposedly have Widow's peak? (In fact, I support removing the fictional list too, as it's not needed either.) In addition to it being unsourced, original research (how many people on that list really have Widow's peak, or do people who add to the list "assume" they have it?), and likely violating our biography of living persons policy in parts (most of the people on that list are living persons, and as I said with my second reason, how do we know they really have Widow's peak or is it just assumed from looking at some of them? If so that's original research), the list will only keep getting added to, and will end up getting extremely long no matter how much we try to cap it (already it's way too long). As 91.84.179.225 said above, it would be better if the list contained people who are notable for having Widow's peak: none of the people on that list are notable for having Widow's peak as far as I know. Acalamari 23:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we should look at 'what links here' to see who is notable for having a widow's peak. This would give us Ray Reardon, Anne of France and Lisa Marie Varon. 80.176.88.21 (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a list of notable people with Widow's Peaks woukld be useful, even if just for visual reference. BodvarBjarki (talk) 11:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just now I added a link to a TV Tropes list of villains with a really cheezy title, so that's at least a partial solution. The tropes are always a good dumping ground place to send readers for potentially endless pop culture lists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.84.155 (talk) 16:10, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the reference to Elvis Presley should be removed. I've looked at a number of pictures of him and I don't see even the remotest indication of a Widows Peak. Thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:0:9380:B8B:507:200C:EDE6:EB3A (talk) 00:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of famous people 

message: I have copy-and-pasted this article to my user page so I can work on it. When I am done, I'll merge it back onto this page. It usually takes me 4 to 6 weeks to revamp an article. Bettymnz4 (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I will work on this article 

message: Can anyone do this with little-to-no-effort on their part? I've been MIA for a year and would have to re-educate myself on how to troubleshoot this. 
Someone(s) from public computers have fun with this article!
Bettymnz4 (talk) 15:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: -- WikHead (talk) 19:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restore Reference section? 

message: shouldn't we at least say that it's paul ryan (not just "man with...")? 194.95.117.68 (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  paul ryan 

message: good illustration. widow's peak clearly visible in "mephistopheles": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Page_004_%28Faust,_1925%29.png  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.117.68 (talk) 09:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  another widow's peak 

message: Because the "Notable People" section only lists Real People, nothing wrong with that, and Fictional Villains yet nothing about Heroes, I'm adding Doc Savage, famous Pulp Fiction-era hero. Not sure how well this picture would look in the article itself, so posting here first for opinions. 
— Love Robin (talk) 21:04, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroic Fictional People 

message: The sole reference for "In film this trait is often associated with a villain or antagonist" appears to be the single use of the adjective "villainous" in a collection of newspaper puns.
Surely this is not good enough. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 14:00, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor references 

message: One of the reference (3) say otherwise....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.83.38.167 (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: " it is a dominant inherited trait."

message: This might be the single most disorienting comment I've ever had to write.
Two sources each imply wildly differing accounts of widow's peak rates between sexes: one reports 81% for women and the other reports 3% for male medical students. However, the listed celebrities are a pretty even mix. I see several possible interpretations of this situation:
1. At least one of the studies is of poor quality.
2. The studies used different definitions of a widow's peak. (There being so much as a possibility of this being true is a nightmare.)
3. The widow's peak is an astonishingly good indicator of success in men.
4. The lack of a widow's peak is an astonishingly good indicator of medical school attendance.
5. The time gap allowed widow's peak rates to change.
Having more sources to work with would definitely help, but as far as I know, the two studies conducted are the only ones of their kind, because Google gives me nothing and I can't find any other information except for what is assuredly a school project: https://coggle.it/diagram/WC2vGPbTpxc84FR1/t/widow's-peak
I don't know if it's actually right about anything, but I do know that the only source it cites is this Wikipedia article for a single piece of information (which it even goes on to claim is wrong).
Okay, so I did find this: https://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythwidowspeak.html (turns out this is already cited on the article itself)
Well, it seems that the hair salon study was pretty poor. The medical student study may be better, but I don't even know if there's any level of scrutiny for ascertaining a widow's peak. I'm sort of curious why the study focused specifically on analyzing about 1,000 male students when they could've analyzed a 500 male/500 female mix. As for McDonald's study himself, it's just "I looked at a lot of pictures before seeing a widow's peak", which gives us little useful data. Is "a lot" 10 or 100 or what? It is unknown.
https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA441456126&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=23157992&p=AONE&sw=w
Our next source, from none other than Gale, reports around 15–16% for the southern Nigerian Isoko people before cutting off and demanding to know the school we attend. So, here we have three sources with percentages that are orders of magnitude apart. I'll keep going.
https://ispub.com/IJBA/3/2/12638
42%. That's about half of 81% and triple 15%. No source thus far has lined up even remotely with any other.
You know what? I give up. I invite others to continue my research. For me personally, this whole thing has been a wash. At least I'll always know that there are other people to improve Wikipedia with/for me. ISaveNewspapers (talk) 05:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear/contradicting information