Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates/Archive 1

message: Although I see documentation of user warning templates (among others) as an issue, I didn't want to expand the WikiProject on User Warnings too far beyond its primary goals. This WikiProject states better documentation as one of its goals, so that's... rather convenient. >_>;
I'd like to find or develop a standard example of template documentation that would be applied throughout the template namespace. Anyone interested, or shall I freelance a proposal for later comment? // Pathoschild 16:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Late comment — we always have  →AzaToth 02:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I have always wondered why we put the usage notes on the talk page at all. Wouldn't it make more sense to have them displayed on the template page and leave the talk page for discussions? That makes it easier to find the instructions and also helps to remind people to update them when they make changes to the template. If the template code is placed within <onlyinclude> tags, or <includeonly> tags with <noinclude> tags around everything else, then only that section gets used when the template is transcluded and everything else just displays on the local page. If we have an example of the template in use (automatic from the code for most templates) followed by instructions right on the template page then people following links to the template will usually get all the info they need right there. --CBD ☎ ✉ 12:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Editing a popular template, even for usage info, is something to be avoided.  Even though we have the ability to do it with noinclude, we should make it standard to have documentation on Talk. -- Netoholic @ 03:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again I say, "why"? Page cache invalidation? It hasn't been shown to be a significant issue, and even if it were... the documentation is seldom going to be updated unless the template itself is - which would invalidate the caches anyway. Right now we have a mix - some templates put documentation on the template page, some on the talk page, and some have it split up on both. I think we should definitely try to standardize this, but I don't see any real advantages to using the talk page. --CBD ☎ ✉ 12:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentation standards 

message: Heh, I was thinking that we needed a wikiproject to provide help for people in setting up templates and standards... typed in a name to set up a new one and surprise, it's already here. Think we need to advertise a bit more though. --CBD ☎ ✉ 00:04, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potentially very useful project 

message: I don't know what happened in Cumberland Valley High School it seems that someone did a wierd cut and paste instead of a subst.  I would fix it but I don't know how.  Jon513 22:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I converted it to a call to 'Infobox School'. --CBDunkerson 00:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  expert attention 

message: Could someone take a look at :Template:Information appliance? For some reason when instances do not call one of the optional parameters there is a large white space above the article. I can't figure out why. Thanks! jaco♫plane 04:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Information appliance 

message: Hi,
I have just joined the project, and [apart from the collaborative tasks on the main page], I am unsure of what I can do to help! If anyone has anything template-related that they would like me to look into then just add it here or put it on my talk page --Richard0612 19:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just Joined Project 

message: Hello. I hope you do not mind me coming here for a little help. I recently created a project banner template, :Template:WikiProject Jewish history, and I seem to have messed up the coding somewhere. I admittedly copied the template from another WikiProject, and tried my best to leave the coding alone while simply changing all "Japan" references to "Jewish history." But evidently I messed up, because now anything coded/written on the page after my project banner will not show up. Thank you for any help you can offer. LordAmeth 00:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about the coding for Templates, but maybe you want to look at Template:Stargateproject?  It already has a drop-down box, so all you'd have to do is modify the code, not come up with it.  --Tim4christ17 12:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish history template 

message: :Template:Infobox_Hospital could use some parserfunctions and cleanup, I tried to use it in Townsville General Hospital but apart from displaying empty parameters, the content was pushed to the right... Maybe it could resemble our great :Template:Infobox Disease?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request! 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.   B2T2 14:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: Hey folks. Is there any interest in making a meta-template to standardize the WikiProject templates? Someone recently asked for some additions to  and  based on features they saw in . While making the changes, I was thinking how lame it was that I needed to make them twice. I don't forsee this being the end-all, be-all solution to creating all WikiProject banners, but I think it could give a lot of power to the majority of WikiProjects without duplicating effort editing esoteric templates.
I started a prototype at User:Mike Dillon/WikiProject banner that is minimally demostrated at User:Mike Dillon/Sandbox#Generic WikiProject template. I purposely avoided demostrating anything that would include my sandbox in an inappropriate category, but I have tested that the category functionality works using "Show preview". Let me know what you all think. If such a template is desired, I think it should be called . It would be used by transclusion in the project-specific template with the "project_*" params specified, leaving the secondary template call to the project-specific template to fill in the usual WikiProject banner params like "class" and "importance".
Also, is this the right place to bring this up, or should I go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council? Mike Dillon 06:56, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:59, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generic WikiProject template 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention.  Badbilltucker 19:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: This is just a heads up about changes proposed regarding template deletion (speedy) processes and procedures. See Wikipedia talk:Proposed deletion Regards // FrankB 15:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things look a little somnolent herein 

message: I've put forward a proposed rearrange of the top-most template category at Category talk:Wikipedia templates. Please drop by and make suggestions / comments. Thanks. Mike Peel 17:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rearrange of [[:Category:Wikipedia templates]] 

message: See this discussion here. Some icons have already been created; see my user page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HisSpaceResearch (talk • contribs) 11:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icon templates instead of large boxes at the top of pages 

message: I have noticed a couple of templates intended for talk space only have meen misused on the mainspace. A WP:Self problem. To solve it I have modified :Template:ACIDnom and :Template:Cleanup taskforce notice with the following code.
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If the template is inserted in the main namespace the page will be categorised into :Category:Misplaced Templates and the following will be visible.
Warning. This template should only be used on discussion pages. Please it move to talk:.
This may be of use on other templates.
GameKeeper 21:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk templates on main article space. 

message: If anyone is interested I have proposed "WikiProject Banners", a WikiProject to set standards for, and help projects with, WikiProject banners at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals.— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 11:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "WikiProject Banners" 

message: Anyone interested in microformats (or metadata in general) and the deployment - via templates - of microformats on Wikipedia, might like to be aware of, or even join, WikiProject Microformats. Andy Mabbett 09:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Microformats 

message: Hello Wikipeidians. I have made a proposal that would take care of the userbos issues and the general clutter of the Template namespace. Please see it here and make comments conserning it. Thank you for your time. SadanYagci 14:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

message: Suggest a uniform maximum width for infoboxes: 
Preferably at 50% of the body column, otherwise at 22 or 23 em. This is due to the recurring problem of excessively wide templates. -Stevertigo 20:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If done, percentages only, please - with an over-riding minimum set in Em. 22 em is about an eight of my monitor; 50% may be 8 characters wide on a mobile device.  Andy Mabbett 10:19, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template infobox width 

message: I'm in the process of adding hCard microformat mark-up to a large number of biography and place- related templates, as part of the microformats project. It has become clear, as I've edited so many similar templates, that there is a lot of redundancy (very similar templates, where one, with optional components could be used) and a lack of standardisation (fields named "name" vs. "subject_name" vs. "playername"; or "url" vs. "homepage", for instance. I'm new to the templates project, but is this being addressed anywhere? Andy Mabbett 10:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also finding several biography templates )e.g. ) with no birth/ death date fields! Andy Mabbett 12:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates - a right mess 

message: I have put forward a proposal to rename (and repurpose) this category to a temporary holding category; please see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 7#Category:Deprecated templates for the full details and to leave comments. Thanks. Mike Peel 11:39, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Deprecated templates]] 

message: I have a couple of templates (such as ) which currently take two parameters, such as 6106023 and 61.  The second parameter is just the first two characters of the first parameter.  Is there any way to extract this from the first parameter in the current template syntax?  I found the StringFunctions routines, but they apparently aren't incorporated into the Wikimedia code as of yet, otherwise "#sub:" would be the way to go. If there is a better hangout of template gurus to post this, just let me know. - David Oberst 02:25, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not possible, but the template can be modified to require  instead of , i.e., no duplication.--Patrick 13:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  substring extraction in templates? 

message: I've little experience with Templates, but by carefully and unashamedly cribbing a similar template, I devised Template:Norwich City F.C.. It's not a bad start, but:
#In the title bar, I can't get the font colour the correct shade of dark green. It seems black to me. Is that my eyesight, or am I doing something wrong?
#How do you make the article name appear bold if that's the article you're looking at?
#What a horrible mess it's made at The Nest (football ground). What did I do wrong?
Yours hopelessly, --Dweller 14:41, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Two of the three fixed. Any advice on number 1? --Dweller 19:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see you have manage to change from black to green since then. But I took the liberty to slightly modify the colours to those used for the official logo on the official web page. (Not the faulty colours used in the logo in the article.) I hope you like it. --David Göthberg 00:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Messing things up 

message: FYI: Wikipedia:Template test cases --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Test case pattern 

message: FYI, a statement regarding a problem that will hopefully largely heal itself: Wikipedia:Avoid template creep. Cheers, heqs ·:. 23:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoid template creep 

message: the possible merger of several templates is being discussed at Project Motorsport. Some concerns about the practicalities have been raised, and I think additional opinions, and expertise, would be useful. Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 14:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorsport template mergers - help./ opinions needed 

message: Hello fellow template people!  If you're not already aware of it, there is an effort underway to standardize the appearance of the "message box" templates which are used in articles, and possibly elsewhere as well.  If you are interested, please check out Wikipedia:Template standardisation, and join the discussion. —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 19:31, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this another harmonization project ... ?  --Kralizec! (talk) 15:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standardization of message boxes 

message: See request here. Thank.↔NMajdan•talk 15:10, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another template project request 

message: Hello there. Just joined this project. It doesn't seem very active, I hope that's not the case and I just caught you at a slow time. Anyway, the first thing I was going to do is help fix the issue of templates adding pages to bogus categories because there's an example of the template on that page. I was wondering if there's a way (e.g. a template, like ) that will just add an example without the category add. Or does each template need to be changed. If so, what do you change? Rocket000 18:22, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. I made a template to do this. Rocket000 02:43, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template example template? 

message: I need some help with a table problem from someone who's more knowledgeable about templates than I am. 
The list of MPPs on Legislative Assembly of Ontario is coded as a "wikitable sortable", but in actual practice the page shows up on the article as a non-bordered and non-sortable list. Meanwhile, the list of MNAs on 38th National Assembly of Quebec shows up correctly as a sortable table, and i can't find any difference in the way the two are coded. Can anybody help me locate the problem in the Ontario list? Thanks. Bearcat 23:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears that  fixed it  by commenting out the HTML table and replacing it with an image.  Specifically, it looks like there was an extraneous </td></tr> after the </table>, which is what broke the wikitable.  --Kralizec! (talk) 02:47, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template help 

message: Hi. Can anyone help me figure out why a fail is reported at Template:Infobox Album/color/doc#Unit test at "video". Thanks in advance. --PEJL 11:11, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just taking a stab at it, but this is the only one that uses a numerical value to define the color, as well as <nowiki> tags. *shrug* JPG-GR 01:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've guessed as much. The question is why  fails, or even better how to fix it so it doesn't? It does so here as well:  --PEJL 06:07, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More template help 

message: I need some help with this navbox. It currently forces the most recent winner onto her own separate line instead of directly after the previous winner, but I can't figure out how to fix this. Thanks. Bearcat 17:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, found the problem. The closing </div> tag was in the wrong place. Bearcat 18:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Marian Engel Award Winners}} 

message: If no filename is included in the image field on this infobox, then the map slot actually displays the text 200px when the template is used (e.g. at Fredericton-Silverwood.) Can somebody help me recode the template to hide the text if the field is left empty? Thanks. Bearcat 20:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! Just needed an "if". --Brian Olsen (talk) 20:19, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Infobox Canadian provincial riding}} 

message: Hello, I have just joined this project and need to know what you want me to do if anything, I have a very good example of my work, a template using complex parser functions which I created, it looks simple but is effective
I'm probably best at creating a template from scratch, than editing one I know nothing about.
If you want me to join in head first then I will throw myself :-) PhilB ~ T/C 23:04, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Member XD 

message: Hello collaborators on WikiProject Templates. I need the assistance of some experienced souls to evaluate and comment on a proposal to add a Slideshow template for convenient display of multiple images. The template would require addition of a couple of JavaScript functions to Common.js, so it's not something I can do alone. I've kicked off the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Add a Slideshow template, based on existing functionality in French wikipedia. Anyone with suggestions or comments on this is welcome to join the discussion there.
In particular, I am looking for Wikipedia users to help test the template's browser compatibility, and for input from anyone with knowledge of s or JavaScript, who can help analyze what's happening with this template in IE7. Thanks! Rupert Clayton (talk) 23:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slideshow template testing help and comments needed 

message: The template  looks strange on the pages where it is transcluded, for example Orešac. The template looks fine on its own page, but it balloons with white space in the articles. I wish I knew how to fix it myself, but...I leave it in your capable hands. (If there is a better way to report problems like this, should I discover any in the future, please let me know.) --ShelfSkewed Talk 18:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed! None of the table fields () were closed. With the template by itself, it didn't matter, but on pages with other info, the template didn't know where the template ended, causing weird spacing. (At least I assume that's what was happening - it fixed it, in any event!) --Brian Olsen (talk) 05:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template producing odd display 

message: Hi, Wikiproject Contemporary Music is working on developing a talk page template. I wonder if you could help us with a couple things. The template is . There are a couple of problems however. First can the background of the image be changed to match the rest of the template as Template:Composers somehow managed to do? Secondly we’re apparently having trouble integrating the box into show/hide formats. There is probably something wrong with my design for the template. My experience in this area of Wikipedia is very limited. Help would be much appreciated. Thanks, --S.dedalus (talk) 21:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I can answer one of your questions. The problem is with the image, not the template. The image at  has a transparent background, so it will automatically blend in. The image at  has a solid white background, so it doesn't. The image itself needs to be altered to fix this; most photo-editing software will allow you to make part of the image transparent. I don't have much experience with the show/hide feature, I'm afraid. --Brian Olsen (talk) 00:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikiproject Contemporary Music template 

message: I've been trying to create a version of Template:Climate chart that's accessible to people who only understand fahrenheit, and I've got something that's nearly working at Template:Climate chart convertible.  I achieved this by simply autogenerating and hiding a fahrenheit version that readers can click to expand and read.  The problem is that the it causes all text below the template to also be hidden.  You can see the havoc I accidentally wreaked at the Tokyo article here for an example.  It seems to me that the template I'm using to hide things has the }}s paired, but on the talk page for that template others have mentioned problems they experienced when trying to add tables.  Can someone help me out? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I think I fixed it. The problem seemed to be that the information in the "content" parameter of the  template was only a section of the table, and the template couldn't figure out where the table ended - so it put the entire rest of the page into the table, and hid it. I've turned the hidden section into an entire nested table of its own, and that seems to have done the trick. --Brian Olsen (talk) 22:30, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay! Thank you! Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  need template help 

message: Hi, Just wondering if there is any consensus on parameters in a WikiProject banner regarding removal over =no. For example if a banner makes use of "needs-infobox" parameter is there a consensus that the parameter should be removed from the banner once an infobox has been placed in the article.  Any help or pointers on this would be great. RWardy 21:33, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant parameter in a Project Banner 

message: Members of WikiProject Templates may be interested in WP:DOT. It's an attempt to clean out the template namespace; it's fully explained on the project page. Cheers. --MZMcBride 19:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:DOT]] 

message: Greetings, members of WikiProject Templates. As a—probably unofficial—parent project of SBS, I am coming here seeking advise and assistance. There is a series of problems plaguing the project, which can be condensed into two basic ones: our work object and our staff.
The first problem is the most basic one: Wikipedia has yet to officially recognise succession boxes. Even though they are exceedingly useful and quite widespread throughout the mainspace, their mentions in Wikipedia guidelines are sporadic, and mostly have to do with the Manual of Style. Succession boxes are not even given any space in the Template standardization page family, and are barely visible in this project's main page as well; imagine that I have first found out anything written about them in a series of historic pages and incomplete guideline proposals. We need to define the object of our work, carve a niche for it in the Wikipedia grand design, and make SBS recognisable by the community as the project dealing with succession boxes. It is believed that one good move to this end would be for our guidelines to acquire Guideline status in the encyclopaedia. However, they are incomplete and the existing ones have been mostly put in place by practice rather than by extensive consensus. They are thus inadmissible in their current state.
Which brings me to the second problem: staffing. SBS has been experiencing a chronic lack of contributors, with the unfortunate result being that proposals cannot move forward, and organised editing work is extremely limited. If you would like to participate, or know Wikipedians that might want to consider joining us, please don't hesitate. And, even if the idea of becoming a member of WikiProject Succession Box Standardization does not intrigue you, you can always drop by our talk page and comment on whatever discussions are taking place there at the time.
Speaking about which, I should like to notify the Honourable members of this project that there is an ongoing (basically stalled, but technically open) discussion pertaining to the colours of succession box headers. There are several sections on various individual proposals; an overall colour scheme can be found here. You are all welcome to offer your insight and ideas.
With regards, Waltham, The Duke of 22:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization|WikiProject Succession Box Standardization]] in need of help 

message: This template had originally been set up to use either  or , but after this discussion, it was taken out due to size problems. This has still not been resolved, and so I was wondering if anyone has any idea for a solution to this problem? MrKIA11 (talk) 17:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{t1|archive box}} 

message: Does anyone mind me archiving this page? I'll leave all sections with only one post, and ones that obviously haven't been answered. If no one minds, then does anyone have a recommendation for how old the newest post should be in order to archive the section? MrKIA11 (talk) 20:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just did it! Hope our overlap didn't cause any problems. --Brian Olsen (talk) 20:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed some more that had been fixed/completed, even though they didn't seem so on this page. However, I was originally wondering if some the sections you removed should be kept, such as ones that are announcements, rather than questions. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe - I removed some announcements because they were so old, I thought that the discussions they pointed to had likely gone stale. But move them back if you like - I won't be offended! --Brian Olsen (talk) 21:37, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: I have designed a new archive box that incorporates everything from , , and , and then some. I know it currently incorporates , but that is just for testing, and can be removed if the template ends up being used. I propose that this be the new code for , and that  and  translude it. Would people please test it out and see if there are any glitches or problems. I think I have tried every possible combination, but there might have been something that I missed. Comments and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. MrKIA11 (talk) 21:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Archive Box 

message: Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#T3 opposition –Pomte 09:48, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on speedy deletion criterion T3 

message: Can someone help me fix this template so it doesn't have an ugly gap at the bottom? I'm not sure what's causing it. For an example in practice, see Anchorage, Alaska. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, but I question the use of this box. Sister cities aren't the sort of thing I would expect to stand out in an article, and so can be listed normally like everything else. –Pomte 04:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Template:Sister cities]] 

message: How do you put Notes in the Templates like Template:Television in Europe?  I am working on a Greek singer's template that has released specific material only internationally opposed to just Greece, and think that having notes can help distinguish the 2 rather than make a new section. (Some material was released in both Greece and internationally.  Most in just Greece and Cyprus, and some just Internationally).  Any help on how to do it will be appreciated.  Clicking "edit" in the example template and coping the code doesn't work since the code is not there for some reason. Greekboy (talk) 03:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual code is from . You should be able to copy the code from there. MrKIA11 (talk) 03:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the response. Greekboy (talk) 04:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes in Templates 

message: Hey, could you guys help me with something? Could you make me a template for this?     RC-0722 communicator/kills 23:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly do you want a template for? A Project template to put on talk pages, a template to invite people, or what? I would also recommend moving the whole project to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cleveland Cavaliers, or possibly just make it a taskforce of a bigger project that would encompass it, such as WP:NBA. It seems too small to have an entire project dedicated to it, but that's your choice. I would also move the userbox template to Template:User Cavs or something. MrKIA11 (talk) 00:21, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be able to help...just not right now.  Do you want to be able to assess pages in the template?   DiligentTerrier • talk |sign here</font> 01:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — --Jza84 |  Talk   11:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:Infobox Country styled}}]] 

message: Please comment on a new article space template at TfD Images needed. GregManninLB (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images needed template in article space 

message: Can someone help fix the Television wikiproject banner? For some reason, its now showing ??? instead of FA in the banners of articles. I'm not sure if it was a change I made to try to add FL class to it is the problem, or if its something else. I tried undoing the change for FL class but its still broken. Help? AnmaFinotera (talk) 15:20, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're only problem is unlucky timing. You didn't break it.  was changed at the same time, which I think is what caused the problem. I don't really understand the code, but you might want to ask the editor who changed the code to see what's wrong. I'm not sure why your template is using that one in the first place. MrKIA11 (talk) 15:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Didn't realize that is what it was doing. I've removed the WPMILHIST with our own Class file based on the older version of that template and its working again.  Any idea how I can get it to display FL instead of ??? for our FL class articles? All the rest is now working great. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just tried it, and it worked fine for me with class=FL. Did something change since you asked? Does it work for you now? MrKIA11 (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I can think of, but it is indeed working now. Yay! Now to go fix the FAs to FLs on our lists.AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Fixing 

message: I am unsure if there is a forum for announcing new templates, but I have created  to flag user-created derivative works of copyrighted content. As I am an expert on neither copyright or templates, I would appreciate if a Project member might have a look over it and make corrections/suggestions if necessary. Thanks in advance, Skomorokh 15:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template for possibly derivative works 

message: To standardise the look of message boxes in image space and category space we have now coded up some suggestions. See the new meta-templates  and  and discuss the design for them at their talk pages.
--David Göthberg (talk) 13:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message box standardisation 

message: Hi. Now and then, templates like  and  remind me that I'm not clear on what the distinctions between navboxes, infoboxes and sidebars really are.
As a rule of thumb, I'd say navboxes are horizontally aligned and tend to be placed at the ends of articles, while infoboxes and sidebars are vertically alinged and appear beside article text, usually at the starts of articles. Infoboxes, however, are metatemplates, templates that expect parameters to be supplied, whereas sidebars aren't; sidebars are, in effect, vertically-aligned navboxes.
Arguably, however, the two examples above (and others like them) contradict this. Both are examples of instantiated infoboxes -- if that's the correct description -- i.e. templates that use infoboxes (in this case,  and ) rather than "being" infoboxes. So, should they and templates like them more accurately be named "X sidebar"s, where , "Olympics Lithuania", etc? Or are they still "infoboxes" even if they don't use an infobox or even if they don't handle any parameters?
I guess what I'm driving it is whether or not the description "Infobox" should be reserved for those vertically-aligned templates whose content is wholly parameter-based (i.e. vertically-aligned metatemplates) and, if so, that there's an agreed statement to this effect somewhere. If all this already exists and has been sorted out somewhere, please direct me to it! Sardanaphalus (talk) 17:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navboxes, infoboxes, sidebars... 

message: I am planning a hatnote template for use on animal articles. The purpose of this template would be to list common English names for the same species (with refs), something like:
 This idea is from a page like Micrurus fulvius (notice at the top). Does anyone know if a current template can fill this niche already? See my sandbox. Thanks! StevePrutz (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: have you looked at the template on that page -  or the related ? they are fairly general templates, and if they don't quite work for what you want it might be easier to edit them than make a new one.  also check the categories they are included in... --Ludwigs2 19:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

text: See also discussion on my talk page. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New template idea/does it exist already? 

message: WikiProject Orienteering is using :Template:Orienteering as a redirect to :Template:WikiProject Orienteering.  There are over 100 talk pages linking to each.  We would like to move all current links from the former to the latter, so that the former can be used as a navbox.  What is the best way to do this?  If I move :Template:Orienteering to :Template:WPO, can (will?) a bot fix all the redirects? --Una Smith (talk) 15:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you'd have to write a bot specifically for this purpose.  that shouldn't be too difficult, and I'm happy to help you write one if you need assistance.  let me know.  --Ludwigs2 19:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want to get into running bots myself, and the majority of the articles involved need assessment anyway, so I will do it by hand.  Thanks, though.  --Una Smith (talk) 00:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot help? 

message: I could use some help with Template:Infobox Tennis biography; I need certain sections (like Doubles and Mixed) to not appear at ALL if the first field either does not exist or is empty? See Chanda Rubin as a example. -- Mjquin_id (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expertise 

message: I also wonder if some people on the Participant list could label themselves as experts or rate on a scale of 1 to 5? (I would represent a one; User, but not a builder) -- Mjquin_id (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ExpertList 

message: I have been using User:S/tags to add templates to pages. It is now out of date and not being maintained. Another one is User:LilDice/Flexitags but I have no idea of how to configure it.  Anyone got ideas about semi-automated adding of tags? -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Java script template tools. 

message: See "Template talk:US county navigation box#"view • talk • edit" screws up centering in title" for details on a centering problem with a commonly-used template that could be fixed by someone with template expertise.  Thanks.  67.100.125.237 (talk) 03:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with [[:Template:US county navigation box]] layout 

message: There is a discussion here on the subject of merging two templates that have nearly identical goals but wildly varying levels of quality in their doc pages, their category assignments, etc. I believe the change to be a non-controversial one, but I'm not bringing in a  just yet/might as well give it a day and see if anyone sees a reason I haven't predicted to block a merge. Thanks! MrZaiustalk 02:13, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed unification of {{tl|deadend}} and {{tl|internal links}} 

message: In  the template text mentions "Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate" but it doesn't mention how to do this. I think it would help the editor to include a link within the template text to "Wikipedia:Links to full references" (or WP:CITEX) which shows the editor a quick and easy way how to create inline citations from the existing list of full references. Maybe something along the lines of.. "For help on how to do this, see WP:CITEX" or something like that. OlEnglish (talk) 01:52, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestion for improvement of {{tl|nofootnotes}} and {{tl|morefootnotes}} templates 

message: I'm trying to locate templates for the inline (i.e. not infoboxes)) representation of the names of people, so that I can make them emit hCard microformats. So far, I know of ,  and, more generically, . Are there others? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:12, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Check over at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Inline_Templates.  --Ludwigs2 04:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Will do. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline templates for the names of people 

message: Please stop by and voice your opinion in the ongoing discussion on the use of team colors in sports infoboxes.--2008Olympianchitchat 06:17, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment on use of team colors in sports infoboxes 

message: The talkpage banner for WikiProject Christian music () has a markup error when "nested" with  - there's a stray "colspan" in the template title, as seen here. Could somebody take a look and try to fix this error? I noticed this recently, and now I'm finally getting around to asking some template experts, who know more than I do. ;-) I haven't taken a close look through this recent edit, but I'm guessing that the problem lies there (the nested template used to be normal beforehand). TIA, Jamie☆S93 17:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: as far as I can tell, someone just dropped a pipe divider.  I think it's fixed now; let me know if you see any new problems.  --Ludwigs2 21:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, it looks like that was it; a missing pipe makes sense, and everything looks fine now with the template. Thanks, Jamie☆S93 03:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could somebody take a look...? 

message: Self explanatory. Actually there's a header that explains it. I've come up with a few new template forms for particular issues. For one, :Template:Standard simplifies the transclusion of a standard topicbox. A few others are there. Comments are essential. -Stevertigo 05:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:New templates]] 

message: Although a number of templates check the parameters they are passed, historically it appears each template author does it differently and the vast majority of templates have taken a GIGO approach.  I recently created :Category:Wikipedia template parameter issues in an effort to see what is out there.  I am using the talk page as a workspace for this project.  My goal is to standardize, document, and encourage the use of parameter sanity checking.  Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.  --Pascal666 (talk) 13:17, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parameter sanity checking 

message: Something is a bit off in the newly created navigation template for Japanese era names.  
I've summarized the problems as simply as possible at Template talk:Japanese era name#Structural flaw.
I want to try to understand what I might have done differently so that
:a. I'll might be able to avoid similar mistakes in the future ... and
:b. I can be better able to figure out how to fix my own mistakes. --Tenmei (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. The name argument was pointing to another (non-existent) template. Bendono (talk) 00:27, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not sure what's wrong? 

message: Hi!  I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate.  This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.
All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group.  If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. -Drilnoth (talk) 00:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Coordinators' working group 

message: I am looking for some technical expertise. I have been attempting to create continental navboxes like :Template:Africa topic and :Template:Europe topic which would customizably add prefixes and suffixes to national demonyms rather than country names. I made this attempt by creating :Template:African topic, :Template:European topic, and :Template:South American topic. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about wikitext in order to make them work properly. I created them primarily by copying and pasting the content of the existing continental templates and then replacing the country names with their corresponding demonyms. Right now, these templates I've created link to the demonyms properly, but cannot accept prefixes and suffixes. These templates should be able to link to such articles as Brazilian cuisine and South African poetry. Does anyone know how to accomplish this? Neelix (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continental templates 

message: Just wondering, when you add this project's template  to a talk page, there is no sorting or categorizing implemented in the banner. Is the purpose just to notify readers of this project? Wouldn't it be better to add at least a main cat to the banner template? Thanks for your help in understanding this! --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: that's easily fixed, I think.  let me check it out, and I'll edit it in.  --Ludwigs2 22:42, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I just looked at the categorization for this project, and realized that it wasn't done properly (due to a change by an annonymous editor a year ago).  The category for this project is Category:WikiProject Templates.  However, there also exists Category:WikiProject templates, which contains categories of templates used by other WikiProject.  The category for this project had been redirected to the other category, which I have fixed.  I agree that there should be a category just for pages tagged with .  The standard for other projects is usually "Category:WikiProject X articles", but this project mostly tags templates - not articles.  "Category:WikiProject Templates templates" isn't really appropriate either, since this scheme is usually used for templates used by the project itself, and not templates it supports...and it is really awkward.  Any suggestions for a good title?  --Scott Alter 23:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you both!! I saw those 2 categories and the redirect the other day and couldn't figure out why it was set up that way. At least I know I'm not going batty!! (then again, maybe I am??!!) As for the main cat name, I agree that: "Category:WikiProject Templates articles" may be a little confusing, but it would be consistent with all the other WP's; however, an alternative would be: "Category:WikiProject Templates pages"?? We do need to keep it simple and it would be nice to have a cat that would show all the templates that are tagged with the project's talk page banner. Let me know what you think! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I like consistency and would go with "Category:WikiProject Templates articles".  But I'd like to see some more members of this project weigh in.  --Scott Alter 00:44, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: how about being literal and using "Category:WikiProject Template transclusions"?  or would that confuse people more?  --76.167.248.70 (talk) 05:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: --We are trying to "KISS"; doubt that most people could spell "transclusions". --Funandtrvl (talk) 08:42, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Good idea! If you want a laugh for today, the "navigation templates" link was piped to "Northern Territory"! (No kidding, just look at the history page!) --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:11, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about this project's categories 

message: I didn't want to mess with the template and screw it up but it is for some reason showing  on all the pages that ot is on. see here. It is under the template. Can that be fixed. --Gman124 talk 14:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: actually it is on all the templates for some reason. --Gman124 talk 15:04, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not seeing this effect - do you still see it?  --Ludwigs2 15:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been fixed, see Template_talk:WPBannerMeta#Bug_report. Borgarde (talk) 12:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on [[Template:WP Disney]] 

message: I'm creating a new template to add to articles whose categories need improvement in some way.  I'm still discussing this template at WikiProject Categories but I came here to ask for some help as I've never created a template before.  The template is in my user space here so feel free to make improvements. OlYellerTalktome 00:27, 29 March 2009(UTC)
:I'm going to be moving this template into the mainspace soon.  Please take a look here and let me or if there are any changes that need to be made or go ahead and make them yourself. OlYellerTalktome 19:54, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve Category Template 

message: The image on the template:river was changed after the following request was made:
"Please could the direct link in this template to :Image:River_gambia_Niokolokoba_National_Park.gif be removed. The image is the full-size version and is 215 kB in size! This is wholly inappropriate for a mere Talk page template (with 70px icon) and causes excessive cost to people using mobile data services." 
Is this a correct interpretation? I thought the thumbnailing was done server-side. Is there any guidelines for this issue? I expected to find something about it here but didn't notice anything. Rmhermen (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thumbnailing is currently disabled for .gif images, so yes, in this case it was very much appropriate to switch to a .jpg which, thumbnailed, is only 2.56 KB large. --Amalthea 18:50, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. I didn't realize we still allowed GIF images. Rmhermen (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template Image Size 

message: Hello. I just created a testing version of the template Template:Vertical images list on a subpage of my user page User:Tlustulimu/Template:Vertical images list. The testing version has a new parameter background color and works very well. What do you think? Could I copy the added code into the template Template:Vertical images list and its documentation? Than the English version would be the sixth template in the interwiki list with the adding. Greetings --Tlustulimu (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (+) I tested this adding in the most of the translated versions of this template and not found a problem. It only works a little bit tricky. Greetings --Tlustulimu (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Vertical images list 

message: I wanted to know how to implement the show/hide tab that you see on the right side of template on title bars. I had translated Template:Punjab (India) from this wiki into this onto Punjabi wiki. But the show/hide tab doesn't show up. I would really like to know how that would be done. Thank You. Gman124 talk 13:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, it's already fixed now. --Gman124 talk 16:10, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the show/hide on templates