Talk:Freediving

message: I miss more information about the risks of the sports. It is something to be considered.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.252.232.240 (talk) 17:04, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't about advancing sports; it's about describing facts. If a sport's leading female record-holder dies in pursuit of a new world record, that's definitely noteable. As for Audrey and Pipin's wishes, they are immaterial; I'm sure Richard Nixon's ghost would rather his Wikipedia entry left out the stuff about  Watergate, too. -Ashley Pomeroy 14:58, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Risks?

message: Comment on the records and Audrey Mestre case. I recognise the importance to give the reader information about the records and the tragic incident that claimed Audrey’s death. However I do feel that it is best to add another section titled ‘current records’ and ‘history’ to keep things readable.
--Apneist 14:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Audrey Mestre records

message: As there is only one item on the list, is this section necessary? Should it be deleted, or does someone have something more to add to it?--Dani 01:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Wally Tharg. Leave the section, and shove it in a corner where it is less annoying. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Free-diving in fiction

message: This article is inconsistent on the use of a hyphen.  Considering the title of the article is "Free-diving", I would assume that the hyphenated form should be used, but not being a free-diver (or freediver) myself, I have no knowledge of the matter.  For the sake of consistency, though,  only one of the forms should be used.  Benstrider 01:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I have just had a look at my freediving books, and they all omit the hyphen in their cover titles.  I vote we change globally to the single word ... but I'm sure someone will insist on reverting it!  --Wally Tharg (talk) 17:15, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick Google search for Free-diving. Out of the first 100 hits 4 used the hyphen, a few more used two words, nearly 90% one word. I agree to change globally to Freediving, and also recommend change the article name with redirects from Free-diving and Free diving. Cheers, Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Free-diving vs. freediving

message: The article as currently written states:
Due to the nature of the sport, safety is an integral part of free-diving [...]
"Safety is an integral part of free-diving" is *VERY* sloppily phrased. At first glance it seems to be saying: Hey, don't worry about safety when practicing this sport, freediving is inherently safe! 
Rather, the *apparent* intent was to say that any practice of freediving must include strict adherence to safety measures as an integral part of the activity. 
Say what you mean!
Toddcs (talk) 04:32, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to have been changed. Quoted text not found in article. Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Safety is an integral part of freediving"

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message: The article is suitably referenced, with inline citations. It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited. Any format of inline citation is acceptable: the use of <ref> tags and citation templates such as  is optional. Some dubious sources and dubious claims which could not be sorted out by a Google search (deleted). Whole section on fiction and documentaries is unsourced. Most of this is uncontroversial, and most is also probably quite easy to source.
The article reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain obvious omissions or inaccuracies. It contains a large proportion of the material necessary for , although some sections may need expansion, and some less important topics may be missing. Lead mentions several underwater sports, but article concentrates on competitive apnea. More on the other sports is needed. They all have articles, so summaries would be adequate, but more is needed than in the lead. Expanded to cover an introduction to the most important subtopics and links to the main articles. There is still some material not included, but I think it is up to B-class for coverage.
The article has a defined structure. Content should be organized into groups of related material, including a lead section and all the sections that can reasonably be included in an article of its kind.Structure is OK. 
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 Looks OK, technical terms generally linked. 
Article could be brought up to B class with a bit of work, but keeping it at C until listed items have been improved, particularly the dubious claims and the lack of content on other underwater sports. It is a top importance article for WP:SCUBA, so worth a bit of effort. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:36, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Main problem now is poor referencing. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:02, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted a few dubious claims, and added some content, so promoting to B. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 12:23, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment for B-class 

message: There are a lot of inadequately formatted references, which I propose to improve. However, I find that this is easier if the reference definitions are assembled in the references section. If there are no objections I will move the ref definitions to the ref section and format them more consistently, and try to expand them where possible. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 09:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move of references to reflist for maintenence 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Unless someone comes up with a plausible reason why Free immersion apnea should remain an independent article, I intend to merge it into Freediving#Competitive apnea with a redirect to section.
The information is limited and duplicated, but the title should be a redirect.
;Discussion:
Oppose If you do that than you have to do that for the other 11 or so disciplines, otherwise you create chaos. Encyclopedia needs to be organized, not chaotic. The article is too short but that only means that it can be expanded upon. 213.149.51.113 (talk) 00:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we actually have articles for all those disciplines? I agree that we should handle them consistently.· · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I found that we have several, maybe not all yet, but they were not tagged for the WikiProject so I didn't know about them. I will try to tag them all so they can get better integration with the rest of the project articles. I accept consensus against merging into Freediving and have untagged accordingly. However, I would ask you all to consider whether it would make sense to have a single article with redirects for all the disciplines. Maintenance would be easier, and a more comprehensive and interesting article is possible. Some have been stubs for a long time. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: There is quite a number of disciplines and 2 federations, disciplines were added afterwards, some were official then became unofficial so I think YEARS when each of the disciplines in each federation became OFFICIAL should be added to the article. 213.149.51.251 (talk) 12:26, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competitive apnea, official since?? 

message: Not sure if this is the right place for it, but nonetheless. There is a problem with almost all biographies of freedivers. At the moment there are 3 organizations that award world record title (AIDA, CMAS, Guinness), historically there was a fourth organization (IAFD), which had quite a few world records. Since this is quite a small sport almost all biographies are of previous or current world record holders and as such list their world records. The problem is that very, very rarely organization under which the record was achieved is noted. 
It should be noted that usually freedivers achieve more than one record and in more than one organization so unless it is clear in the records list, what is what, the list and information itself is essentially useless.  It has become poor practice. I tried mentioning it on talk pages but that is not effective. Infobox at the top of the article could do the job, if it is specific enough. Why is that a problem? For example you can set DYN under ice WR under CMAS which can also become Guinness' WR if it's better than the latter's (as Guinness "inherits" records), but you can also set DYN under ice under Guinness but not under CMAS - this situation happened in 2017. Or you have 3 WR's in DYN (3 divers with 300m) but two are under AIDA and one is under CMAS; and as Guinness "inherits records" they (could) list all three of them. 213.149.51.151 (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good place to discuss this problem. Any claim of a record should be referenced to a reliable source. If it is not, there is a template  which produces , which can be added to the source text just after the unreferenced claim. If the claim is not referenced within a reasonable period (I allow a month) you are free to delete the claim as unreferenced. You can also use the tag  to request specification of which organisation recognises a record. Alternatively you are welcome to fix these problems by adding references yourself. If you need help with the formatting, just ask me on my talk page. · · · Peter (Southwood) (talk): 19:37, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biographies of freedivers 

message: world records need to be updated, for example Alexey 130 m, Alessia 107 m, see Vertical Blue in September 2018  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.252.62.40 (talk) 19:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  records 

message: Alenka Artnik went down 120 meters: . Please update. --VanBuren (talk) 13:57, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record again 

message: From AIDA web site: NLT (No Limit) ... not NLT No-limits !  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.237.30.70 (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NLT (No Limit)