Talk:Triple Crown (professional wrestling)/Archive 3

message: If I see the reinsertion of the mention of the United States Championship into this article again, by anyone, they are going to be warned for inserting original research into Wikipedia unless of course you have a reliable source thats verifiable. semper fi — Moe 04:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is the argument everyone has presented to him, and we had/have consenus on him, but he really doesn't give a damn. Just drop it. -- THL 07:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: United States Championship

message: ---Here is something that nobody has considered in the U.S. Title debate:
During the Invasion Angle in 2001, we would often see WWF and Alliance title holders battling their opposite numbers, meaning we had:
WWF Tag Team Champions vs WCW Tag Team Champions
WWF Light Heavyweight Champion vs WCW Cruiserweight Champion
WWF Intercontinental Champion vs WCW U.S. Champion
and eventually, WWF World Champion vs WCW World Champion
All of this lead to Survivor Series 2001, where the Invasion Angle wrapped up and most of the titles got unified with their counter parts:
Hardy Boyz (WWF Tag Champs) vs Dudley Boyz (WCW Tag Champs)
Test (I-C Champ) vs Edge (U.S. Champ)
They wanted to do X-Pac (Light Heavyweight Champ) vs Tajiri (Cruiserweight Champ), but as Commissioner Mick Foley said on the RAW before Survivor Series-- "Nobody knew, or cared, where X-Pac was."
And of course, they would unify the 2 World Titles at Vengeance 2001 the following month.
I don't know (or think) this will change anybody's mind, but it does give a perspective as to how WWF viewed (and views) the U.S. Title.---
The more I think about this the more annoyed I get. I'm considering taking this through the dispute resolution process. Consensus has been clearly established, as has grounds to ignore WP:OR. -- The Hybrid 03:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something to Consider

message: on wwe.com on the superstars page, where it lists the champions.On Raw the intercontinental is second from the top. On Smackdown the U.S is second from the top. On the title history page it goes 
*WWE Championship
*World Heavyweight
*ECW Heavyweight
*Intercontinental
*U.S
*World tag team
*WWE tag team
*Women's
*Cruiserweight
obviously there is some kind of order meaning the top 3 are havyweight titles
the next 2(intercontitnental and U.S) are the 2nd tier
and so on and so forth--58.108.229.13 00:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  something else to consider 

message: in the draft lottery in 2005 when smackdown had no world championship of any kind for a couple of days, the United states championship was the top championship.
In 2006 when Rob Van Dam held both the WWE championship and ECW Heavyweight titles on ECW. Raw was without a world championship of any kind for a 2 weeks. the intercontinental champion (Johnny Nitro) was the top champion.--Cooldandan 00:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that he is an admin. He just reverts everything and gives people warnings. When I get sick enough of this I'll take this through the appropriate channels. -- The Hybrid 11:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  something else, else to consider 

message: ---I think I have found a compromise to the U.S. Title debate (for both the Triple Crown and Grand Slam):
I didn't add JBL or The Big Show to the list (I don't need the vlh treatment--I saw what happened to him), but I added a footnote to the potential champions list saying that these 2 may have already achieved this pending a review of the U.S. Title's status.
This way, the official list stays as is (keeping the administrators happy), while acknowledging the claims made for JBL and Show.
I hope this will keep some peace for a while until the controversy is resolved.---
While I appreciate what you are trying to do, nothing will resolve this dispute other than the WWE or PWI commenting on it, or someone taking this through the dispute resolution process and getting a ruling for or against them. Also, we have tried to compromise before, and that is what caused the current threat at the top of the page. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 22:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Compromise 

message: ---On wwe.com, they have revamped the title history page  where they list the titles from Raw and Smackdown in a way where they are lined up side by side with their opposite number:
RAW        ---->      Smackdown
WWE        ---->      World
I-C        ---->      U.S.
World Tag  ---->      WWE Tag
Women's    ---->      Cruiserweight
Again, I know they didn't come right out and say it, but by them doing their chart in a "totem pole" design in the way they did shows how WWE views the titles.  Lining RAW title X up with Smackdown title Y like that has to indicate those titles are of the same value to their respective brands.--- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.250.48.37 (talk) 06:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A New Look 

message: Having read through the archives of talk I don't think that the following has been suggested or voted on, so I'm going ask it here. Can we not just add a line before the potential TC champions which tells us which of the TC champions have also won the US title (Bret Hart (WCW), Steve Austin (WCW), Kurt Angle (WWE), Eddie Guerrero (WWE), Chris Benoit (WCW/WWE), Ric Flair (NWA/WCW), Edge (WWE), Booker T (WCW/WWE)) and then if people wish to know who has held the US title and the IC it will be easy to see. I only ask because I think this page is good to see who has held both current tag titles. And maybe it will put a can on the IC/US debate. (I only say 'maybe'). Darrenhusted 19:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the same debate about the US title 

message: ---WWE themselves provided the clearest proof of all of why The U.S. Title should be included in the mix.
This isn't a case of one assuming something or someone making a third party claim.  This is WWE itself drawing up a chart to clearly illustrate that it's 2 sets of championships are to be considered as equals to each other.
There have been tons of people on here saying that the U.S. belt should be here, but they needed to have something solid to back the claim up.  They needed something from WWE to show that it was the case.  Right there on WWE's own website, they themselves provided visual proof of what has always been assumed but never fully proven.--- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.76.84.60 (talk) 19:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The U.S Championship 

message: I really don't want to be a jerk, but I have to put my foot down. Consensus has been established, and we have compromised on a solution to the US Title debate. If you missed the discussion, that is no one's fault but your own. Do not remove the section on the US Title from the article no matter how strongly you feel about this. Consensus is established, grounds for adding this have been established, and a compromise has been settled on. You will live with the results of this discussion. I'm not giving anyone a choice. I will personally revert anyone who removes this and give you the entirely appropriate vandalism warnings. Removing this is disruptive and against consensus. I don't care if you are Jimbo Wales, Willy on Wheels, my mom, or anyone else. We have decided on what will be done with this article, and you will have to live with it. -- The Hybrid 05:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Hate This 

message: Now that the US title debate has been quelled is it worth adding that if JBL were to be considered a TCC under the alternate definition then he would also be a Grand Slam Champion because of his European title win? Darrenhusted 14:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Grand Slam Champion 

message: I'd like to move this page to Triple Crown Championship, as this page is about the actual championship, and not the champions. What do y'all think? -- The Hybrid 22:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'd like to move this page 

message: As far as the U.S. Title disclaimer goes:
Guys like Benoit, Guerrero, Edge, Booker, and Angle are already TC winners because they have the I-C Title, thus there is no debate over them.
It's JBL and The Big Show where the question arises.
These guys are "perhaps" TC winners because they have only the U.S. Title, not the I-C.
Personally, I think they should be added to the list because if the World Titles and the Tag Titles can be interchanged, then the 2 secondary belts should have the same treatment.
It is only because of technicalities and the OR police that we can't make it official.
But back to the point, Only JBL and The Big Show should be put in the "could be" list because the others have the I-C belt and thus they're in anyway.
Ohgltxg 19:54 28 January, 2007 (UTC)
It has been agreed not to add Cena, Ohgltxg, and adding Cena is treated as vandalism. I suggest that you read the archives. Darrenhusted 19:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: So, if Rey Rey wins the IC Title what do we call him? He has also won the Cruiserweight title, so he would have won the four male titles. Is there a special name for that? Grand slam doesn't apply. -- The Hybrid 04:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rey Mysterio 

message: 209.44.43.67 chose to re-write the US title section after Cena's Tag title win (congrats John), so that JBL and Big Show were listed alongside Cena (now legit), however the section had previously been amended to provide extra information with regards to previous winners. As this is an encylodepia the previous and now current version gave more information than the amended version so I have reverted it. Take note 209.4.43.67 that I have that version saved and any further edits will be immediately reverted, assuming John Cena doesn't win the IC title. Also bare in mind that JBL and Big Show are both currently inactive so there should be no need to change this section at the moment.
Darrenhusted 12:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  US title, one last time. 

message: People take a look at the page as it is, if you change this page it will be viewed as vandalism (particularly if you are unsigned or do seven edits in a row), if you change it I will change it back. This page only needs altering if someone else completes the TNA triple crown or OVW triple crown. There are no real contenders to become WWE Triple Crown Champion so this page is pretty much done for the time being. Edit if you want but don't be disappointed if your work is reverted. You have been politely warned. Thank you. Darrenhusted 19:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverts 

message: It says above the list that all contenders who would be considered triple crown if it was not for the US title debate are not listed.
Big Show and JBL were not on the list but John Cena was so I went ahead and took him out since he is in the same boat as them. Likewise, if you were to add Cena back to the potentials based on IC reigns, add Big Show and JBL as well. I went ahead and took John Cena out since he goes against the paragraph before the section. Just stating that its not vandalism, just correction since there is a heavy debate over this page at the moment. KonigBerserk 20:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Triple Crowns 

message: Be clear that the US title issues has been resolved. Any edits will be treated as vandalism. This page is semi-protected from the 30th January, leave it a month before requesting an un-protect. Thank You. Darrenhusted 12:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For those who have not read the archive 

message: Archive 2's link doesn't work; can the person that archived it fix it? Thanks. Anakinjmt 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the archive 

message: Let me just say that the grammer, sentence structure, and information under the United States Championship sub-headline (headline Triple Crown) is horrible. It sounds as if people have trouble making a sentence that doesnt ramble on and repeat itself. Not to mention your contradictions in listed people. Also, because the United States Championship hasnt been stated to be a second-tier substitute by WWE, it makes no sense that you would add John Cena to the list of Triple Crown Champions (why not JBL or Big Show?). Fix your errors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.43.78 (talk) 01:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triple Crown 

message: Steve Austin won his first World tag title on 5/25, not 5/26.  Booker's first World tag title was with Test, not RVD.  Edge's first WWE tag title was on 11/7, not 11/5.  And RVD's first WWE tag title was on 12/9, not 12/7.  (When titles change hands on Smackdown!, WWE recognizes the title change from when it's first televised.)  Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.43.78 (talk) 02:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information 

message: It states on this page that: "WWE nor PWI have ever explicitly stated that the US title is equal to the Intercontinental Championship". Now personally i believe thats not true as if you see the Title History page on WWE.com, the US title is opposite to the IC title like the World is to WWE, World Tag is to WWE Tag and Cruiser to Womens. ----Belevsquad 11:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So your saying the Cruiserweight Championship is equal to the Women's Championship? semper fi — Moe 19:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The US Title is the equal of the IC Title, this is a fact. The World Heavyweight Title and WWE Tag Team Titles are equals of the WWE Title and World Tag Team Title, also facts and accepted here. I don't see the problem, I have e-mailed JR's official website to see what he thinks, hopefully he responds on his site so all the haters can shut up. TJ Spyke 05:25, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States Championship 

message: THE ARTICAL SHOULD LOOK LIKE WHAT IT DID 6 MONTHS AGO. THE NEW COLOURS LOOK AWFUL AND THE COLLOMS ARE UGLY. THERE IS NOT 1 REASON IN THE WORLD THAT THE UNITED STATES IS NOT EQUAL TO THE INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP. CAN'T WE JUST AGREE THAT THERE EQUAL. WE ALL WANT WHATS BEST FOR THER ARTICLE. LOOK IF SOME IDIOT FOR SOME REASON  STILL THINKS THAT THE UNITED STATES CHAMPIONSHIP IS NOT EQUAL TO THE INTERCONTINENTAL CHAMPIONSHIP I WILL WRITE A LETTER TO WWE. THEN WE CAN ALL AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.108.229.13 (talk) 21:01, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG YOU DON'T HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS! Also, the colors look MUCH better now. Also also, if you'd read the archives, you'd know about the whole debate over the US Championship. Anakinjmt 01:24, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I can see a point, kinda, with the blue, but that begs the question: can we change the color of the text then? Because, the way the table is now, it's INCREDIBLY hard to see the colors, at least for me. I do think darkening the colors will make it much better, and the green and red and silver seem to be ok, so what else could we do for the blue, because the way it is now, I can't tell what's blue, what's red, and what's white. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anakinjmt (talk • contribs) 02:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Not exactly what I think of when I think of Smackdown. But, on this monitor (I'm on a computer in a classroom at school, I'm not on my own computer), that is a little hard on the eyes, and the dark blue of the link...I'd have to actually see it, but I am starting to see more and more the problems with the colors put in earlier. Is it possible to just have like a corner of the box colored? Like, how CBS does things with Survivor and tribes. They list the tribe members and then put the color of their tribe in the corner like a little flag. Can we do something like that here? Is that possible? That would solve both problems: allow people to see the colors a lot better without disrupting the readability of the text. Can we do this? Anakinjmt 04:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that it is possible, but then again coding isn't exactly my thing. In the end, why do we have to have red go with Raw and blue go with Smackdown? If it gets the point across... -- The Hybrid 00:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, blue with Smackdown and red with RAW make sense, seeing how the main color of Smackdown is blue and the main color of RAW is red. Anakinjmt 15:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's compromise, seeing as we need visible colors. How about we use beige for ECW, Pink for Raw, and Sky blue for Smackdown. Sound good? That way we make all of the colors light enough that it doesn't look bad, but appropriate color coding for each show is still used. That work? Peace, -- The Hybrid 22:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ARTICLE  

message: I know this would have been touched on a 1,000 times before, but due to the fact the WWE, has put in their title section the entire title lineage of the ECW World Championship, (albeit from Shane Douglas' reign), with RVD, Big Show and Lashley being added to the list, does that not constitue the fact that the ECW World Champion shares the same lineage, much like the NWA, title has always shared it's lineage though being defended now in TNA. Peace & Chicken Grease Amigos The Legendary One 01:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And your point? Anakinjmt 15:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ECW World Championship

message: Somehow, I think you guys aren't getting something. I have recently seen this argument posted in numerous places and it always goes something like this:
The ECW Championship history was merged with WWE's!
or
Since PWI consider's the ECW title having a 'world title' status, shouldn't we include it on this list?
Ugh. No, for the billionth time. We only add the ECW championship if WWE considers it an acceptable alternative for 'Triple Crown' status. World title status has nothing to do with why the ECW title isn't listed here. Please keep this in mind. — Moe (Review Me) 03:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ECW World Title

message: All people who have held the United States Championship is not listed because it mentions then in another section. Stop putting John Cena in the list of those that need an Intercontinental reign because he has had a US title reign so he is mentioned above that group. I have corrected it several times and it needs to stay like it is unless you take the paragraph above it out and put the Big Show and JBL in the IC section as well. KonigBerserk 21:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: John Cena is not a potential champion

message: A potential triple crown champion is one of the following:-
A former World or WWE champion who has held the IC title but not the World or WWE tag team titles.
A former IC title holder who has won the a Tag team belt but not a world title.
A World or WWE champion who has held the World or WWE Tag team but not the IC title.
As John Cena (up until a couple of weeks ago) had only held the WWE championship, and the US title he was not a potential champion because he had never held the IC ot Tag titles. However now he is the walking definition of a potential champion becuase he holds the WWE (formerly WWF) Heavyweight championship (the same one Flair, Hart and Morales have worn) and the WWE (formerly WWF) Tag Team chamionship (again the same championship worn by Morales, Hart and Flair) at the same time. Forget the US title as it doesn't count, and was the previous reason why Cena was always knocked off potential champions lists, but now he is the man most likely to become a triple crown champion, because he holds two of the three championships required. He stays on the potential list becuase he is more likely than Undertaker (currently on SD), Rey (currently injured and on SD) or Foley (currently not wrestling) to win the IC title. Leave him on the list. Darrenhusted 02:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Consider IF the US title counted towards it. John Cena would not be on the list, because he would then be considered a Triple Crown Champion. Due to circumstances, he is considered a potential champion because he held the US championship, not because all he needs is the IC title. Now, if he won the IC title, then he for sure would be, but he is already listed as a potential champion in one section; being in another section stating the same thing is redundant. Anakinjmt 04:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes he is a potential champion but he is listed in another section. There is no need for him to be in 2 different sections because that is redundant. Not to mention it is confusing stating that people who have held the US title are not in that list yet he has won the US title and is in the list for those that need IC title. KonigBerserk 18:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: If you do that then it seems like he hasn't won the US championship. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KonigBerserk (talk • contribs) 20:10, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because it's listed that if the US title would be considered acceptable, that Cena would be a TCC. Anakinjmt 20:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

text: He already is a TCC, but some stubborn editors won't accept that the US Title is part of it. TJ Spyke 23:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch your tone. If you have proof that were all missing, then by all means give it, but don't snipe. — Moe (Review Me) 23:46, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean the proof that we're all missing? We've provided everything but it being explicitly stated online! The only reason we're even doing this frustrating alternate section crap is to be nice to you. We have consensus and grounds to ignore everything that you're saying, but we're choosing not to. Whether you admit it or not, you are the only person who is keeping the US Title out of the main chart, and even that is at our leisure. We've provided more than enough proof to add it to the chart, and I'm considering just doing it and ending this whole thing. I am sick and tired of this crap. We have 3 people with e-mails into the WWE, you almost retired, 3 people had checkusers filed against them, I'm pissed off and have basically destroyed any chance I had of making admin anytime soon, the dispute leaked over on to the John Cena talk page, and the page is semi-protected indefinitely. WTF is wrong with us!?! Is this really worth it? -- The Hybrid 04:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be..nice to me? That's a laugh. All I've been hearing is a bunch of bitching and moaning from IP addresses to established editors saying various insults towards me, the most common being "stubborn", "moron" and "idiot", and getting insulting e-mails which has gone up for the past 4 months last time I checked, and for what? Upholding policy. If your not the one writing e-mails to various people, and searching vigorously for anything verifiable, then you have no room to talk. And your stressed because there has been 1 CheckUser run? Give me a break. The proof I'm refering to is WWE or other sources, ANY SOURCE AT ALL, that proves it which still hasn't been provided (one did show up, but the author said it was nothing but original research done by himself, in fact he said he was writing a new article and would provide sources and be more in-depth next time and give me a copy). You have grounds to ignore everything I say, but you have no choice when it comes to decision-making regarding policy. Just because wrestling fans have believed over time that something without solid proof, doesn't mean that it's true. I just happened to find the statement false and the evidence, or lack there of, supports that. Readd it and it won't end, because it won't stop there. Has WWE ever responded to an e-mail? I don't believe they ever have, and even then e-mails aren't considered reliable sources (hell, I would allow it to be considered if WWE actually did respond, but they don't. EVER!). If your pissed off and sick and tired of it, Wikipedia isn't your place to vent. And trust me, being admin and running for adminship isn't all it's cracked up to be, you would have to deal with more than one situation like this before being even considered for adminship. Oh, and if your new to this game, I'm not retiring any time soon. — Moe (Review Me) 06:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The definition of a potential triple crown champion 

message: Let's take a deep breath.
One thing needs to be understood here:
The U.S. Title should by all rights be included in the Triple Crown, but due to the rules here at Wikipedia, it can't be added until it is put in black and white somewhere from a reputable source.
As far as John Cena goes, he should be on the "unofficial" list with Big Show and JBL.  The difference is that all Cena, Show, and JBL need is confirmation of a Title they already have won, while any potential champion needs to actually win a title.
Hybrid, I am with you 100% in saying that logic says the U.S. Title should be included, but there is no need to attack Moe.  He is just following the rules, and calling him names isn't going to make him change his position.
You need to relax a bit yourself Moe.
Politely putting your point across might get both of you further.
Having a paragraph in the article that addresses the U.S. Title and acknowledging the 3 "unoffical" champions, is a very good compromise I think until we get 100% confirmation.
Ohgltxg 9:57 12 February, 2007 (UTC)
:I never attacked Moe nor have I called him names, ever. That was TJ. Moe, the angry e-mails you have gotten over this comes with trying to be a one man army. Also, implying that I'm new to this could be taken as an attack. In addition, WP:IAR and WP:CONSENSUS are policies, grounds have been established to enact WP:IAR, and like it or not those anons who have provided proof count towards the final vote in the consensus. I have policy backing me up. Do I think checkusers are a big deal, no, but it is when you take into account that this is already going down as one of the most idiotic disputes in WP:PW history. The proof provided may not meet the grounds for sources, but the sheer quantity guarantees that this is not something that wrestling fans have thought wrongly for years. The US Title is equal to the IC Title, this is a fact, we have proven it, and this dispute must end. Let me say that I hold no malice towards you as you are simply being bold, but I feel that you are being too stubborn with this. WP:IAR exists for a reason. This is a proven fact, and simply ignoring that because it isn't stated word-for-word hurts this article. Like it or not, that is the truth. -- The Hybrid 23:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have 3 people with emails in to the WWE, but as Moe has mentioned the WWE never replies. I'll check and see if I am able to email the PWI, but since I'm not a subscriber I may not be able to. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 02:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't subscribe, but I have e-mailed PWI before and got a response (which I even posted here on Wikipedia, regarding whether ECW champs prior to August 1999 are considered world champs. The reply was that PWI does NOT consider them world champs). I have e-mailed JR's official site to see if I can't get a response from him since he does answer some e-mails in his blog. Hybrid, I don't recall attacking Moe or calling him names. TJ Spyke 00:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not explicitly, but he took it that way, and I took it as you referring to him. If I'm mistaken I apologize, but... -- The Hybrid 00:55, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's cool down here. 

message: An intresting comment was made on RAW a few weeks bak on Raw. When Kenny challenged Lashley for the ECW title both Kenny and Vince made mention that he would become the youngest WWE champion ever. As Kenny is already a former tag champ, this meant they were referring to the fact he would be the youngest world champion in WWE history. It was actually Vince who said that winning the match would make Kenny "the yougest WWE champion" in history. Notice he said WWE champion and not ECW champion. This means that the ECW title is viewed as Equal to the other 2 world titles in WWE and therefore considered in the Triple crown champion section. I'm not going to add it I would first like to see a response.--24.184.169.37 08:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The other thing too is I don't know if the resurrected ECW title has been granted world status by whatever wrestling association that does that. WWE stating it is is all well and good and all, but without the official association granting it, it's not really valid. Granted, if WWE states it counts towards their TCC, then it's end of story, but until they do, we can't be sure unless they do state it or that association (whoever it is) officially grants it world status. Anakinjmt 14:13, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ECW Title has been granted world status according to PWI and that is an official source. It was defunct until it was resurrected in the middle of 2006 but it has been considered a World Title since it's reactivation. At least according to this Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Number_of_World_Title_Reigns Bobby Lashley is considered a 1 time world champion and RVD is considered 2 time world champion and they have only gotten World Tittle reigns since their ECW championship. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KonigBerserk (talk • contribs) 16:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ECW 

message: Just leave it for now. We can discuss that thing later. It gets the point across, and the chart isn't hurting anything at the moment. Don't we have enough to argue about? -- The Hybrid 22:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Unofficial Champions Chart