Talk:Roger Crozier Saving Grace Award

message: Isn't there any picture of the Trophy that "we" can put on site? Killer 20:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture/Photo

message: Does anyone have (or can anyone procure) a list of the save percentage leaders before this award was inaugurated, similar to what is done for other newish trophies (e.g. Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy? − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 12:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early SV% leaders 

message: Due to a change in the featured topic criteria, the National Hockey League awards featured topic has 3 months to satisfy criterion 3.c. by getting peer reviews done for the 3 audited articles in the topic: Mark Messier Leadership Award, Roger Crozier Saving Grace Award, and NHL Foundation Player Award. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: National Hockey League awards featured topic

message: As of yesterday, the regular season of the NHL ended and Brian Elliott finished with a final Save Percentage of .940. I am not sure, however, if gets the record for starting goaltender save percentage. Tim Thomas started over half of the games in the 2010-11 season which would make him the starter. Elliott, I believe, was not the starter for his team as he started less than half of the games, so this record needs some clarification and I thought I would bring it up. If anybody has anything useful to say on this, please say it. (I change IP addresses as I go from school to home and when I visit family, so I will comment on this question from what seems to be different IP addresses but it is still me and I am not attempting sockpuppetry). 173.86.33.87 (talk) 11:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no special award only for goaltenders who start the majority of games.  The only condition is 25 games.  If there's a record save percentage Elliott has it. 174.119.23.115 (talk) 08:08, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We'll need a source for that, however.  I've found sources that talk about his post-expansion GAA record, but not the save percentage being one.  In fact, unless Elliott has been officially confirmed as the winner, we probably should not even be listing him at this point.  Though once (if) he is, I am hopeful that sources will confirm such a record, if he did indeed get it. Resolute 14:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure he clinched the trophy, but I am just not sure if he met the conditions for the record, which is seperate from the trophy. 98.179.165.213 (talk) 00:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree that any claim regarding "starting goaltender" needs a reference, I don't think the NHL uses such a term.  Similarly I don't know if there is any official record, but Elliott has the highest recorded save percentage.  Quick reference is at hockey-reference.com.  More authoritative reference can be seen by looking through the regular season goaltender standings sorted by save percentage leaders at NHL.com.  Elliott has the highest recorded value in 2011-12.  No earlier season contains a higher value and can be verified by looking at 2010-11, 2009-10, 2008-09, 2007-08, 2006-07, 2005-06, 2003-04, 2002-03, 2001-02, 2000-01, 1999-2000, 1998-99, and 1997-98. These lists automatically exclude goaltenders that didn't appear in at least 25 games during the season.  99.246.116.118 (talk) 05:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no official record, should we have it on Wikipedia at all? 98.179.165.213 (talk) 20:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not.  Definitely not if we can't find a source that actually says the record exists. Resolute 22:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a NY Times article that talks about Tim Thomas braking Dominik Hasek's single season save percent record, so I would assume that since Elliot recorded a higher SP than Thomas there is or will be a reliable source out there that will state Elliot as the record holder. In fact a quick Google search turns up this from the San Francisco Chronicle  by the associated press where it mentions Elliot set an NHL record for SP, at work now and headed to a meeting so no time to add it but seems like to me to be reliable enough to be added.--Mo Rock...Monstrous  (leech44) 13:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I say it looks reliable enough. Is there a consensus as to if we should update the pages on Wikipedia to all say Elliott has the record? If anyone has any objections could they please state them? 98.179.165.213 (talk) 23:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who deserves starting goaltender record? 

message: I changed the article to acknowledge the fact that the award is no longer presented. Niklas Backstrom was the last to officially win it for the 2006-07 season.
You can verify this by checking the NHL Official Guide & Record Book: recent editions don't show a winner. Now, the case of Backstrom is special, since he was not listed as a winner, but he did win it, which can be verified by his entry in the Legends of Hockey (HHOF) web site. Conversely, you can check that Dan Ellis, Tim Thomas, Tuuka Rask and Brian Elliott are not shown as having won the award.
Mpj81 (talk) 23:14, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Award no longer presented