Talk:Jonathan Nolan

message: Is there really enough material here to make a navigation bar necessary? Doczilla STOMP! 22:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nav bar?

message: Filmography does not seem to be correct, since it includes 1 short story and 1 TV series so I changed to "Works of Fiction", though would be more than happy if some came up with a better term. Perhaps once he has more TV series and more short stories it can be split into 3 distnct sections.AbramTerger (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we need this section since all is included in the "Works" table?AbramTerger (talk) 11:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the "Filmography" table to a list of "Writing Credits" which seemed more appropriate given that Nolan is primarily a writer and has written short fiction, films and TV scripts. Since each section has different columns, I did not think a table would fit well. Where appropriate I have also included other credits.AbramTerger (talk) 17:41, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: ReAdded deleted list. The details are no more than other peoples and is a more complete set of credits than just the partial "filmography". Filmography is an inaccurate term since most of his recent credits are in TV more than films. At the very least it needs of table of TV credits, and this I think compromises and lists all as a single list instead of 2 tables from 2 careers. The list is less superfluous than the table since the table just summarizee what is already stated in the text.AbramTerger (talk) 00:50, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited table to remove some of the details of the the co-authorship as well as the season and episode numbers (keeping the dates) of the TV episodes. Is co-scripted or co-screenwriter preferable to co-screenplay for his film credits? Co-writer is inaccurate since with the exception of Memento Mori he has not written any stories for any of the films.AbramTerger (talk) 10:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Works of Fiction/Filmography/Writing Credits

message: There has been some adding and deletion of Jonathan's nickname of "Jonah" in the article. It seems to me that it does belong since he is referred to as "Jonah" in some articles and he has been credited professionally (eg Production Assistant in the film "Memento") with that name. Is there a reason that it does not belong as part of his name?AbramTerger (talk) 12:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a persistent unnamed poster who does not seem to like having the nickname listed, but has so far provided any information as to why. I made 2 attempts on his user page to get him to discuss itAbramTerger (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Another removal of his other credited name within his name. Compromised and put it as a separate sentence with citation at the end of the sectionAbramTerger (talk) 10:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jonathan and his nickname of Jonah 

message: I have removed a couple attempts recently to add Interstellar to Nolan's filmography. At this point it is a screenplay and not a film. There are plenty of people who write screenplays and the films do not get made. There are even instances where a film gets made with someone else's screenplay. Until the film is made and there is credit listed it is premature to add it his filmography. The link to the "film" was also removed as it just linked to the Kip Thorne site. There is no film yet to link the information to.AbramTerger (talk) 11:38, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, you are in error. The film has a script, studio(s), producer(s), director, and release date, completely qualifying it to be added to Mr. Nolan's filmography. Cheers, LiamNolan24 (talk) 22:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like there is everything but a film yet, which indicates to me that it could be in what he is working on, but would not yet qualify for his "Filmography". I just looked and IMDB does not even list it in his filmography. I am not going to start an editing war, but I would at least like to know if you have a link to the WIKI policy on when an incomplete work is able to be listed in a filmography. What are the thoughts from other editors, if there is no policy?AbramTerger (talk) 23:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I modified the credit to match the article. It says it "is based on a script by" not that he co-wrote the film.AbramTerger (talk) 23:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see why the credits as "grip" may be less important to some, but don't agree they are any more unneccessary than a credit to a non-existing film. But I removed the "grip credits". I think the production assistant and story credit is important so I kept them. I again used "based on a script by" as the article states. The article mentions nothing being co-written as no other writer is listed. The article makes no mention of who will be credited with the screenplay (which at this point is impossible to know). I also made it "Partial Filmography" since we are choosing to not have a complete filmography listing for him.AbramTerger (talk) 11:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

text: So I can see why prod'd asst is out, but the story credit is not, so I added back that credit (the story basis got him an academy award nomination for writing. The citation for Interstellar gives "Directed and written by Academy Award-nominee Nolan, pic is based on a script by Jonathan Nolan" which does not sound like co-writing but more like the credit for Memento: written by Chris based on Jonathans idea. I put it back to match the citation unless you have a different citation.AbramTerger (talk) 00:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected inaccurate and missing info. That new citation does not list Nolan as a cowritter but matches the "based on a script by" to the reference in the table. That citation also does not indicate that Memento was not based on his story, so why was that reference removed? A writing credit in a made film is more neccessary than one that is being made. Writing credits from start to finish do change in the film world.AbramTerger (talk) 01:37, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

text: I don't follow the logic of he is has not in the past, he won't be in the future. The credit in the film has not yet been listed since the film has not been released (or made). I was just trying to reflect what the citations you give listed. But it is not worth arguing with you if you will let it go, I will someone else worry about the accuracy of the citations for Interstellar until the film is actually made. But the credit in Memento is NOT cowriter. The credit in the film is "based on the short story by" so you need to let that one go.AbramTerger (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Another clarification: "writer" for credits is not generic per WGA guidelines (http://www.wga.org/uploadedFiles/writers_resources/credits/screenscredits_manual10.pdf). "Written by" is a combination of helping to create both the story and the screenplay. Most of Jonathan Nolan's credits are for screenplay, but not story, so he does not get "written by" credit. Many of Christopher Nolan's credits could be described as "written by" since he worked on both the story and the screenplay. The updated list is more in line with his actual credits.AbramTerger (talk) 22:50, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interstellar Film 

message: The subject has requested, via OTRS, that certain private information remain private. I will discuss this in more detail at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Jonathan_Nolan
:Replied there -- the site is not usable per its own terms and conditions, and fails WP:RS as being quite like "ancestry.com" which has the same issues. Collect (talk) 14:30, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 18:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name and parents names 

message: I removed the note about the oscar nomination for Jonathan. Though true, it was not Jonathan's achievement, since he did not work on the screenplay. It was a fluke of the academy rules that he was nominated. Chrisopher created the screenplay based on Jonathan's short story, "Memento Mori". Jonathan was nominated only because the film was released before the short story was published, so by Oscar rules he was give a story credit for the writing and the film was nominated as an original screenplay. If the story had been published a few months earlier, only Christopher would have been eligible for the nomination and it would have eligible for an adapted screenplay nomination.AbramTerger (talk) 13:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Reworded lead to reflect what is in the body of the BLP -- simple removal was likely not needed here. Collect (talk) 13:57, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it, since the information is not really relevant for Jonathan. It is a pretty meaningless nomination. The film itself indicates that he does not even give him screenplay credit, so this was a film he did NOT work with Christopher on the screenplay. Christopher based it on Jonathan's story idea. That information is already given in the career segment. It is not need to be reiterated in the intro section, it is redundant.AbramTerger (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, most folks would consider it relevant as related to a major award category. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If he had won and if he had worked on the screenplay I would agree. As it is, the facts are mentioned in the career section. As I said I see no reason for it to be in both and it is more a "factoid" that I don't think needs to be in the summary for Jonathan. Cheers.AbramTerger (talk) 15:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oscar Nomination for Memento 

message: A representative of subject requested :ticket:2016101110019536 that the birth day and month be removed. Which I did. I failed to note that this was a recent request, and requested for privacy reasons, not reliability reasons. The request even cited wp:DOB. I apologize for not more fully explaining the rationale, OTRS is very badly backlogged, I saw the request acted on it and did not realize that there were discussions about birth date on the talk page. Those discussions don't change the outcome; as I read the policy we do remove the information upon request.
I'm also sorry to report that per OTRS rules I cannot reproduce the contents of the email here. Two options remain if you feel additional information is needed; you can identify an OTRS agent you trust and ask them to confirm that the edit is consistent with the request or two, you could ask another OTRS agent to send a request to the subject asking for permission to reproduce the email. Given that this request stems from privacy reasons that second option isn't ideal and may be rejected.
I've pointed out to the subject that we have a reference for the year and that reference includes the month and day; they realize this and still request the removal.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:50, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Good enough for me, but I hope you understand I could not have possibly know about this new ticket, also I find it funny that Nolan thinks people cannot find his DOB now that it is off Wikipedia. Valoem talk contrib 17:55, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

text: One additional note: the discussion above refers to an OTRS email. While the ticket number is not listed, it is not the one mentioned in this post. The OTRS ticket number starts with the date year month day and then has a sequence number so you can tell that the current ticket number is from October 11 this year. I did not look at the prior ticket which appears to be sometime in 2013.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:57, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth date redux 

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