Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses/Archive 11

message: Main page should have either a link to the current published statistics or should have a note or reference to look at the link that pertains to who partakes of the emblems.  
Unless a person knows prior to reading paragraph in question they won't know the particulars and where the expounded information is listed.
I'm at a loss of how you wikipedia admin's and editors know the information and can quote from the Watchtower Library CD when this Cd is meant for baptized publishers of Jehovah's Witnesses only.
But since there have been edit's referencing the Library CD, which is obvious by the abbreviation of such, please look this Watchtower 
w51 1/15 pp. 57-61.
If you have a 1995 or 1999 Library CD the wording on the License Agreement doesn't state you can't post copyrighted information on the Internet.  On the 2003 Library CD it states not to post copyrighted information on ANY type of network, including the Internet in all it's forms.  First in the form of a letter with the words "please" so nicely put from the Governing Body and then in legal verbage for the License Agreement.
See: Letter to the brothers and also a License Agreement in the Appendix of the Watchtower Library CD, 2003.
One final comment. Are any of you baptized Jehovah's Witnesses?  
:Who is asking? --DannyMuse 05:16, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I am not a part of the disucsion on this page, I am monitoring as I have protected and want to answer your comment above. First, it is not difficult to obtain a CD or find the contents in other ways. All you need to do is buy one online or find a dissafected Jehovah's Witness. Secondly, even though the copyright statement the states that it prohibits use, it does not supercede American copyright law, which allows for posting of copyrighted material in some cases in any medium. Movie and Music makers state similar copyright "threats" on materials (ususally in the form of an "unauthorzed use of this material" statement), even though they are not accurate. Once one owns the material/work, they do have some rights as to how they use/distribute the material, contrary to popular belief. Don't get me wrong, I do not endorse "unauthorized" use of copyrighted material or breaking of copyright law, but too often people don't realize there are some rights associated with buying a work. That said, (and secondly) there are many Jehovah's Witnesses who have contribed to this page and likely have the CD through an authorized channel. I may or may not agree with how it is used, but that is a entirely differnet disussion. Hope this gives some perspective. - Visorstuff 21:25, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorial Partakers 

message: I've seen posted quotes from the New World Translation on other pages. If they were posted by means of the CD's that's a violation of the License Agreement.  The online legal representative of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses and Watchtower Bible & Tract Society is watchtower.org and jw-media.org.  All references to scriptures should point the readers to the link for the NWT online.  Please make a note of this for the future.
Here is the link:
http://www.watchtower.org/bible/index.htm 
It's listed as "Read the Bible Online" OR "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures" on the main page of the official web site for Jehovah's Witnesses.
Thank you for responding to my other comment. :)
:Actually, just as we ought to be able to quote from other translations and other books, using them properly of course, we should be able to quote from the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. (The laws in most contries prohibits the reproducing of large quantities of texts from a copyrighted source.) This makes it possible to discuss texts. You might have misunderstood proper use of the software from proper use of the texts therein. The software cannot be reproduced in any way (§§1, 3). You may give it to some other witness, provided you do not retain any copy.(§2) Data, however, you are granted to copy for noncommercial purposes, provided it is not a large section (§2). The same goes for anything you copy, really. You should be able to call it a quote.
:Of course, there is no dispute that the official site is watchtower.org, but this is an encyclopedic site.
:--7846 22:14, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New World Translation 

message: As soon as all the parties involved are ready to agree to avoid further edit wars and instead discuss issues here for the long term good, I will unprotect the page. Tom H. 03:17, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)
: I vote for leaving it protected a while longer. I just reviewed some of the last few day's activity on the Talk page ... some folks are still a little hot under the collar. --DannyMuse 07:48, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:   In the spirit of positive discourse, I say keep it protected for a couple of days before letting P-mos reintroduce the information an the JW main page, because that seems to be the only place Pm will allow it to be. Trust me, I am not angry, I am just tired of fighting it.  george 23:42, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotection