Talk:Fundamental justice

message: At first glance, it looked like it could be merged with Section Seven of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but on second thought, it's a concept that exists outside section 7, namely in the Bill of Rights and perhaps section 24.  On that grounds, although principles of fundamental justice redirects to section 7, I expanded this and I think this article can stand.  CanadianCaesar 13:42, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has a couple links to Section Seven of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.  That's about what you're looking for.  CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm aware that there are links to section 7 of the Charter. My point is that "fundamental justice" is a term found in Canadian Constitutional Law or quasi-constitutional law (Canadian Bill of Rights), not in administrative law per se -- although it may be applied there. The article just seems a tad incoherent . . . it seems to jump from one thing to another. I would propose that we focus on the meaning that fundamental justice has been given in the case law and perhaps contrast it with the concept of "due process" etc. --Ben 01:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm still not getting you.  The article has a large section on the Bill of Rights.  While the case law has extended fundamental justice past natural justice, as far as I'm aware that's a section 7 thing, not a Bill of Rights thing.  CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 12:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I am saying is that the concept of "fundamental justice" is self-standing. Since it is given an article of its own its meaning should be independent of the laws it is found other, most notably section 7 of the Charter and Section 2 (e) of the Canadian Bill of Rights. There is a substantial amount of a caselaw under which "fundamental justice", per se, is expounded upon, majority opinions, concurring opinions, dissenting opinions. What I suggest is that we take a look at those opinions and provide a neutral and broad perspective of "fundamental justice" as a term, not solely found in administrative or constitutional law, but in Canadian Law in its entirety. --Ben 18:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are specific examples in which fundamental justice is viewed as a guarantee in and of itself? CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well for starters the Courts have recognized that "fundamental justice" must be guranteed in cases where there is a deprivation of life, liberty and security of the person per section 7. However, that is irrelevant to this discussion. I'm looking at "fundamental justice" as a concept and not right.--Ben 18:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: I have concerns about the new introduction.  It's now seemingly based on section 7.  Does the author know this is how the right is read in New Zealand?  Also under the Canadian Bill of Rights it was a more limited right. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason to divide this when we already have this separate from Section 7 of the Canadian Charter and don't see how we can judge whose law is better evolved that whose without resorting to OR.  I'd suggest moving that material down to the section on section 7. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 01:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think much of the material on the principles of fundamental justice in the section 7 article should be moved under this article.  Whatever we do, however, it may be wise to be mindful of diversity in jurisprudence. The due process clause in the Canadian Bill of Rights, for instance, means nothing like the due process clause in the 5th and 14th amendments of the US Constitution. We should certainly learn more about how the courts have interpreted fundamental justice in NZ before we make the decision. The term was imported from Canada's legal system, they may have placed great weight on how Canada's courts interpret it. Until we learn more, it looks like this article is at an impasse.Ben 02:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, impasse..."Only in Canada you say...?" Pity! I say this is a great article which can shed some serious light on the foundational basis of the rudiments of Fundamental Justice. While a Commentator above appears willing to emphasize on the "concept" of the subject matter, a thorough picture of the nature of such an analysis strongly favors the discussion of the concept of the Rule of Law as of it's interpretation in canadian jurisprudence. Perhaps this Article -- once duly expanded -- can provide additional weight on the logistics of Fundamental Justice as of it's interpretive basis within domestic and international Law? Let's Keep Up the Good Work Shall We? just (talk) 14:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: Hi,
The section entitled "Access to justice" appears to be copy and pasted from another source without citation. It even includes ellipses that seem to be paraphrasing that uncited original source. Not sure the etiquette, or how to flag that, but I thought I would raise the point.
Thanks,
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