Talk:Florida State Seminoles football

message: Perhaps we could spell represents correctly? (As in, "The Florida State Seminoles football team representz..." from the first line of the Wiki article.)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chirpbird (talk • contribs) 18:52, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested additions 

message: Please do not remove the historical information about the first African American player for the FSU Seminoles. Although many of the finest players are today of African American descent, prior to 1968 players of African American heritage were not permitted to join the team. Thus, this historical information is of great significance to presenting the full history of the team. Badagnani (talk) 04:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First African American player 

message: especially the section on Miami rivalry.
author needs to find references or self-edit to reduce NPOV and original research issues.
BeBopnJazz (talk) 14:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Loaded with original research. 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:FloridaStateSeminoles.png

message: Regarding the image here : of the 9 combinations shown, only the first through fifth combinations have ever been worn.  Combinations 6-9 have not, and will not ever be used, as the black uniforms are only to be worn as a whole (as shown in the 3rd combination).  Further, a version with white jersey and white pants, and a version with a garnet jersey and white pants, should both be shown (as both have been worn in the past). It should be changed AriGold (talk)
* I created this http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8862/fsuunis.jpg if someone can use it to replace the old image. This shows all of the uniforms used by the team. AriGold (talk)
**I made the changes.AriGold (talk)
***I reverted your changes. The point of the image isn't to show only the combinations that are worn. It's to show possible combinations. The main image in the template at the top of the page is for the real combinations, which is why it needs to include the Unconquered jersey. Also, uploading them as jpegs ruins the quality. --Kevin W. 19:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ari, one person does not mean that "other people" agree with you. And please, go ahead and remove all of the work JohnnySeoul and I have put into all of the college football articles. Please do so. I'm sure it will make the articles so much better.--Kevin W. 19:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually that's exactly what it means.  Another contributor agreeing with me is another person.  I don't care what you've done with all of your articles. I care about the accuracy of this one. AriGold (talk) 20:11, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I've got people who'll probably back me up as well, so don't get your hopes up. In the meantime, can you please at least use PNG images and the proper nomenclature? Your jpegs are very distorted and there's a proper nomenclature for the uniform images that extends across all of them, college or otherwise. --Kevin W. 20:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've also asked a mod to come in and help.AriGold (talk) 20:25, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, can you at least fix the images in the interim? --Kevin W. 20:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know how. Why is the helmet at the top of the article a .gif if only .png files are the norm? Honest question, dont understand the difference between all of them. AriGold (talk) 20:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: PS Sorry if we got off on the wrong foot. I just don't understand using something that is "possible" when it is not going to occur. I will not revert any changes made from here on, hopefully a consensus will be reached and the mod will be able to help. Any changes from here on can be at your chosing. I do understand the hard work you've put into all of this.AriGold (talk) 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *That's what the current system I'm advocating for is. The "uniforms currently in use" go at the top of the page and the "unused but possible" image goes at the bottom. Also, it's that all of the images have to be pngs, it's just the uniform images. --Kevin W. 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't understand; why are imaginary uniforms being shown? It seems to me that WP:NOTCRYSTAL also applies. Jayjg (talk) 01:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

text: *I think only the actually used uniforms should be displayed.  The rest is a guess, even to the point of original research, and cannot be properly referenced. --Sirberus (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniform Combinations 

message: Is it really necessary to have such a long list like that? Tampabay721 (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current/Former NFL players 

message: Truthfully the only rivalry FSU ever had with Clemson was when both Bowdens were coaching against each other. Virginia Tech or even Virginia (Jefferson-Eppes Trophy, first ACC loss) are more notable "rivals" against Florida State. I think it should be moved/retitled Bowden Bowl, because it will not be a rivalry again, not with Bobby retired and Tommy fired. I think if you asked a Florida State fan on the street who the FSU rivals are, they'd say UF and Miami. I'm an FSU fan, and I think it's pretty ridiculous to consider Clemson a rival when the only rivalry was media hype over a father-son coaching matchup. There is relatively little history of real competition between these two teams, especially with FSU holding a 14-2 record over the first 16 games out of a 25-game series. I'm not positive, but I don't think Clemson fans feel they have a rivalry with Florida State, either. 68.59.126.206 (talk) 09:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest we remove or retitle the Clemson "rivalry" 

message: Do we really need the history of the helmets section on this page? It is very interesting and would be good to have the text and a few pictures on the page but I don't think all of them are needed. If someone thinks we should leave it, the section needs a definite cleanup as right now it looks awful and should be made to look more clean and not so spaced out. Libalaustin1990 (talk) 05:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a cool section but really does need a serious clean-up. Perhaps we could use a table with the year, description, and then a smaller thumbnail of the helmet which can be clicked on for a bigger image. It would be a lot nicer looking. I'll try and work on it in a sandbox but I'm not sure I have the wiki skills for tables yet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayzmo (talk • contribs) 17:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

text: I've been working on it a bit and I hope you guys like it. I put everything into a table. I can't seem to get the 1962 helmets to sit next to each other though. If anyone knows how to fix that it would be awesome. Comments, fixes, suggestions, etc all appreciated. Ayzmo (talk) 21:25, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks a lot better great job! I'm not sure how you can fix the '62 section either though but I think it would be ok to go ahead and post it and then perhaps someone will see what you have done and add onto it/make some modifications to benefit the subsection. I'll try to play with it some too in the next couple of days to see if it's possible to improve at all but I like what you've done so far! Libalaustin1990 (talk) 06:07, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Another thing we could possibly do to make it look better is put some color in it like some of the other tables on the page. Just a suggestion lemme know what ya think. Libalaustin1990 (talk) 04:15, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds great to me. My knowledge of wikitables is incredibly limited but I'll look into it. If you, or anyone else, wants to go for it feel free :) Ayzmo (talk) 04:38, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

text: See this. The problem is being worked on. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Helmets 

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message: Is it just me, or do some of these lists consisting of former players make the article excessively long? Tampabay721 (talk) 04:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only is this article massively long (trimming it is on my far-off to-do list) but that list already exists at List_of_Florida_State_University_people#Football. I've reverted the addition. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of former players 

message: Do we really need to list every player who has won since there is an article that is already linked with a list of all of the winners. I'm only asking and not just deleting since that section has been on the page for quite some time. Libalaustin1990 (talk) 01:32, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Crenshaw Award Listing 

message: According to [], FSU has 5 unclaimed national titles by major selectors (1980, 1987, 1992, 1994, 1996). I'm going to 
remove 1988, 1989, 1990, 1997, 1998 until someone comes up with good sources that Florida State was selected as national champions those years. Johnsmithgeneric (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclaimed national titles 

message: How can we change the logo currently used in this article with the actual Seminoles logo? I see that both the University of Florida and University of Miami athletics articles all use their primary logo. This isn't consistent at all since the Football team doesn't even use this logo on anything.--SeminoleNation (talk) 06:52, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see this for the discussion: Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 65#File:FSU Seminoles logo.png. It violates WP:NFCC#8, WP:NFC#UUI §14 and WP:NFC#UUI §17 according to the discussion. Please do not revert again. Corkythehornetfan 19:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing the "alternate logo" with the official primary Seminole head logo 

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message: Florida State has played in 35 straight bowl games. However, with the Academic cheating scandal in 2007, The Ncaa does not recognize the win against UCLA claiming the win does not count and the longest bowl game streak goes to Virgina Tech. Other outlets and FSU both still claim the streak and it's factual that FSU has played in the most consecutive bowl games. I see the other side of the argument that since it is not recognized by the Ncaa it should be removed. I argue this from multiple points; first being that the Ncaa does not reflective what has happened and can not change history that has occurred, the same being with Reggie Bush winning the Heisman or the USC national title year or even schools claiming national titles the Ncaa does not recognize. Second is media outlets still claims it as the longest streak which can be ref. The third is when other issues have occurred in this type of situation where two sources go against each other is still posted but noted. My recommended action is for it to be posted but noted as well. It stays true to what is accurate and current with factual history while posting out that it is challenged by a governing body.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KillerFrosty (talk • contribs) 00:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I SUPPORT the posting of this but being noted. Like KillerFrosty says, it stays true to what is accurate and current with factual history while posting out that it is challenged by a governing body. Also, the NCAA can't rewrite history no matter what some of you guys think. There is no bias here. This is an encyclopedia which should contain factual information. If you go back and look up one of the IP addresses of one these guys that have been vandalizing this page it's clear they have a huge bias towards Virginia Tech so I don't understand why you're calling KillerFrosty out. You can't hide your contributions on wikipedia. I vote to keep the fact that FSU still indeed has longest bowl game streak(fact) but make a note about what was revoked.--SeminoleNation (talk) 18:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

text: I don't see why it can't be included along with mentioning that the NCAA doesn't recognize the 2007 bowl game. As for the "factual" argument, Wikipedia operates on verifiability, not truth. Whether or not something actually happened is irrelevant. If independent sources recognize the streak, it's worth mentioning. But it would be impossible to ignore the NCAA, the ultimate governing body in college athletics. Therefore that asterisk should always be there, be it literally or in the form of a "However, the NCAA..." Lizard (talk) 15:57, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Again there's no such thing as "right" and "wrong" on Wikipedia; there is only verifiability. If independent, reliable sources say Florida State has played in 35 consecutive bowl games, then they have. If the NCAA says they didn't play in a bowl in 2006, then that also needs to be mentioned. From what I gather the NCAA vacated Florida State's win in the 2006 Emerald Bowl, not their appearance. If Florida State had lost that game there would have been nothing to vacate. The game still happened. Lizard (talk) 18:57, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

text: If we were creating a list of the longest consecutive bowl streaks, I would say to exclude Florida State's streak. But all we're doing is mentioning (fairly far down in the article, might I add) that some sources still count their streak despite it not being recognized by the NCAA. This wouldn't be giving Florida State any undue credit. It's stating the facts, which are that Florida State has physically played in 35 straight bowl games but the NCAA doesn't recognize this streak because one game was vacated. I consider myself a relatively hardcore college football fan and I wasn't aware of this sanction, and I'd imagine there are many others who aren't. So it makes no sense to wipe out all mention of it. Lizard (talk) 16:38, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  FSU Bowl game Streak.  

message: I've seen the double dagger (‡) being used throughout Florida State football article schedules without explanation. I'm struggling to figure out what the marked games would represent, maybe some sort of homecoming type game? If it is to be used, it should be explained in the key. Ostealthy (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: I put quite a bit of time in assembling documentation and writing the following 18,800 characters and it bugs me that the War Chant, Hymns, and the like are worthy of being included, but all of the following, in one vanished person’s opinion, is unimportant and deletable. 
There may be some work of others in this, and I apologize if I’m not giving proper credit. My imperfect memory is that it is primarily my own work.
The Talk Page is where improvements to an article can be discussed, and I think the article would be improved if this were included. So I’ve put it here. It needs updating.
Since you’re curious, @Seminolenation, my connection with FSU is that I was Distinguished Research Professor before my retirement. I was today honored with the Wikipedia Editor of the Week award. deisenbe (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: 96.18.224.137, has any publication declared Florida State as national champions for 2023? I get being upset that FSU didn't get into the playoffs, but I cannot find ANY source for this. Nor would I expect someone declare a national champion before the bowls. Esb5415 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No absolutely not, and any editor adding that needs to be reverted until after the bowl season (at minimum). Alyo (chat·edits) 23:35, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  2023 National Championship