Template talk:User WikiProject Argentina

message: #Yes. It'd be a shame the loss of this purposal; there are a lot of interesting mottos and I think we can choose one satisfactory to all parties. --OneEuropeanHeart 02:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes

message: #No. No motto will be good for everyone, and we have better things to do. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 01:49, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you state a more viable reason, since you voted a "Strong No"? --Nkcs 17:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No

message: # Ad Astra Per Aspera, To The Stars Through Hardships — reflects a key wikipedian desire and it's also the motto of the 5th Air Strike Group (I'd choose Firmiter Unum Pro Patria if weren't so many problems about it). --Darklegions 02:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposals

message: Place your vote after the motto you like most (using the example syntax as shown below). Don't write "yes", "no", "support"; just sign with your username. Don't add more comments in this section. It's one vote per person only. You can vote if and only if you're a member of the WikiProject. You can also change your vote as many times as you want to, before we finish.
We will close the poll and count the votes next Tuesday evening / Wednesday morning (April 12). This is a first past the post vote; if there's a tie, we'll go to segunda vuelta with the most voted mottos. I suggest (please comment elsewhere if you disagree) that if no motto is a clear winner we abandon the idea (by clear winner I mean getting at least half of the votes, getting substantially more than any of the rest, and getting more than 3 votes).
===Mottos===
* Ad Astra Per Aspera (To The Stars Through Hardships)
#Darklegions 02:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it's better to say "getting at least half of the votes, getting substantially more than any of the rest, or getting more than 3 votes", otherwise it'd difficult to achieve this. --ShiningEyes 04:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, yes, it's a bit difficult to put it in words. I still think we shouldn't have a motto, but this is unrelated to my opinion. What I meant was, if the proposed mottos get, say, 1, 2, 2, 3 and 2 votes respectively, then the one which got 3 votes is not a clear winner. Since this is a one-time, one-vote-per-person process, nobody will be able to change their vote later in order to support a second favorite, and in the example I gave the motto with 3 votes will win. Fortunately this kind of scattered voting seems not be happening right now. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "I suggest (please comment elsewhere if you disagree) that if no motto is a clear winner..." Pablo D. Flores states it clearly, this is only a suggestion, at least for now. --Nkcs 16:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final voting

message: * Ad Astra Per Aspera (To The Stars Through Hardships)
#Darklegions 02:31, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mottos

message: I think the idea of abandon if no motto wins is inappropiate now, and goes against the 8 users who supported this with a poll. PS: I changed the title, only for clarification =) --Darklegions 02:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it's better to say "getting at least half of the votes, getting substantially more than any of the rest, or getting more than 3 votes", otherwise it'd difficult to achieve this. --ShiningEyes 04:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, yes, it's a bit difficult to put it in words. I still think we shouldn't have a motto, but this is unrelated to my opinion. What I meant was, if the proposed mottos get, say, 1, 2, 2, 3 and 2 votes respectively, then the one which got 3 votes is not a clear winner. Since this is a one-time, one-vote-per-person process, nobody will be able to change their vote later in order to support a second favorite, and in the example I gave the motto with 3 votes will win. Fortunately this kind of scattered voting seems not be happening right now. —Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 14:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "I suggest (please comment elsewhere if you disagree) that if no motto is a clear winner..." Pablo D. Flores states it clearly, this is only a suggestion, at least for now. --Nkcs 16:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This is a project, not a nationalistic forum (altough you should remember that those who betray the motherland are in the deepest circle of hell,  see it.<BR>
I think we could add this reminder in the template. Argentino 21:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we must do it, let's finish first the current issue =) --Darklegions 02:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reminder 

message: Many users have expressed their disagreement with having a motto, the comments above are a clear example of that. As stated on its main page, the WikiProject Argentina aims toward a democratic and uncensored style of editing, a group where all its members can explain their opinions freely and continuously.
Given that, I'm officially opening this new poll, a poll that hopefully will end with all the discomfort about this issue. My proposal is:
# If the poll is approved, the WikiProject Argentina will have no motto neither on the main page nor on its template.
# If the poll is approved, the WikiProject Argentina will change its template to an userbox-like one, without mottos, essays or any kind of POV statements.
# The new userbox will have a category where all the members of the WikiProject Argentina will be automatically included. The said category will be created within the scope of Category:WikiProject Argentina, as per common standard procedure.
I have created a first impression of the future userbox:
{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 238px; color: black; background: #FFFFFF;"		This user is a member of the WikiProject Argentina.
Please remember that only members of the WikiProject Argentina can vote. The poll will officially end on 23:03, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree, keeping the motto won't hurt anyone. Perhaps we should create another template at Template:Userbox WikiProject Argentina, and keep this one as an second alternative for the original supporters of the idea. By the way, has anyone any problem with including the motto on the WikiProject's main page? —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 02:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I'll delete the motto. If someone want to restore it again, just say it here and I'll put it on the template as soon as possible. Have a nice day, —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 06:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New proposal 

message: # Yes. —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 23:03, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes 

message: Even though I voted yes, I would like to state that being a democratic project also means that he have to abide by the majority. A majority wanted a motto, and we should still keep it. The userbox is a fantastic alternative for people like me and we shouldn't choose it as a replacement for the current box but instead as an alternative. As I said, part of being democratic is respecting pasts votes, especially when they are so recent. Just my to 0.02 australes. Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:13, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree, keeping the motto won't hurt anyone. Perhaps we should create another template at Template:Userbox WikiProject Argentina, and keep this one as an second alternative for the original supporters of the idea. By the way, has anyone any problem with including the motto on the WikiProject's main page? —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 02:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I'll delete the motto. If someone want to restore it again, just say it here and I'll put it on the template as soon as possible. Have a nice day, —Aucun effort n'est trop grand 06:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments