Talk:Bucharest/Archive 1

message: I've started a new section in the article. So far, it just contains three films I happen to know about. I imagine there is quite a bit else that could be added. Are there some classic Romanian novels that constitute portraits of the city? -- Jmabel 08:39, Jun 27, 2004 (UTC)
For Bucharest during the interwar period I recommend "Calea Victoriei" ('Victoria Road') by Cezar Petrescu. -- Mentatus
I hope you all don't mind me added the info about Jack Chick :)
-Chuck K8CPA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by K8CPA (talk • contribs) .
:We don't mind, but could you provide some references? Mihai -talk 22:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portrayal in film and fiction

message: Don't compare a urban area to a sum of urban an rural area, like regions. of course you'll get faboulos results. Please compare bucharest to cluj and timisoara in Romania & paris, milan, frankfurt, budapest and much more in the EU. Just look for a classement of european cities (not capitals) to find out Bucharest real state. Nu vă lăudaţi cu ce nu aveţi. --ro.Danutz | pt.Danutz Vive o 2004!
: but still very close to other urban areas in the rest of Romania
:: Do you have any reference/statistics that says this ? Bogdan | Talk 13:27, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Economy

message: So who is the new mayor? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:53, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
: Răzvan Murgeanu (interim, a new election should be organized, according to the law, in the next six months). Bogdan | Talk 19:23, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayor 

message: I'm no expert in economy, but given a 21% of GDP, how can you get to 66% of the budget? Also, quoting that same article:
:Pe primul loc se situeaza, de departe, Bucurestiul – unde se colecteaza peste 50% din taxa pe valoare adaugata si impozitul pe profit la nivel national, precum si o buna parte a celorlalte taxe si impozite care ajung la bugetul de stat
:Bucharest is by far the leader - over 50% of the VAT, income tax and a great deal of the other taxes that make up the state budget are collected there -- approximative translation (serial comma)
Maybe I'm wrong, but that article is the only mention of that fact I've heard, combined with the above, make me doubt the truth of that statement. (Yes, I know it doesn't have to be true to be on Wikipedia, but still :-)) --gcbirzantalk 23:43, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  See this paragraph: Cel mai mult contribuie la veniturile publice Capitala. Aici locuiesc si muncesc aproximativ 10% din români. Ei asigura, prin taxele si impozitele platite, aproape doua treimi din bugetul de stat. Bogdan | Talk 23:47, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I noticed that (searched the page for Bucure, didn't turn out anything ) only a minute ago, but I still stand by what I said, the numbers don't really add up. --gcbirzantalk 23:52, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I keep thinking the capital was Budapest, and that Bucharest was in Hungary. 
Nazism isn't cool 06:40, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP/budget statement 

message: The last census says just under 2 mil.
Duca 06:27, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 2.3 mil? 

message: I've lived 30 years in Bucharest.Nobody calls it "The City of Joy", where the hell did this come from?
I removed this absurd line : "for this reason Bucharest is often called "The City of Joy"
Stefan Udrea 11:33, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, a nickname of Bucharest used to be (in the 18th century), "Hilariopolis". google it! :-) bogdan 21:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Joy ?!? 

message: Recently added: Psst! - A Bucharest guide with a twist. 
I don't think this should be here. It looks like all you can get without registering is uninformative "teaser" paragraphs at the beginning of articles. I'll allow a couple of days for someone to explain why we should link to this, but if no one makes a good case, I'm inclined to delete. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:03, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
* Removing. -- Jmabel | Talk 02:10, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recently added city guide 

message: One of the 2 photos showing dance clubs should be replaced with a photo of the circus (Circul de Stat) building.
Stefan Udrea 23:02, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I removed it. Maybe I'll go and take a better pic myself this week. bogdan | Talk 14:01, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: I'm not sure whether it's relevant here. According to the last census, only 5,300 (0.2%) Bucharesters spoke it as native tongue, about the same number of Hungarian speakers in Bucharest...
Also, "Bukureshta" is most likely not correct. IIRC, Romany spelling in here does uses "sh", but s with an accent instead. It would be better that someone that speaks the local dialect also check the ending "a". bogdan | Talk 12:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a standard alphabet does exist: Romany alphabet, that has the letters "ś" and "š", but it's not clear which would be used in here. bogdan | Talk 12:38, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romany name 

message: These intersect in an interesting way, not sure which section best to put it in. Probably mention the unfinished Casa Radio, certainly mention the Palatului Telefoanelor (I believe it was the first deliberately modernist building on Calea Victoriei), and the Casa Presei Libere. (former Casa Scânteii) is quite a landmark. Also, which is the late night TV talk show that broadcasts out of a studio with a window onto Calea Victoriei, where you see the late-night street scene in the background? -- Jmabel | Talk 02:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I uploaded an image of a small hotel downtown Bucharest -- IIRC, it was somewhere near Sala Palatului. bogdan 11:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media/Architecture 

message: The following things still need to be done before peer review (I'm writing this down for me to get organised and for you to know what's happening):
*Requested media - I've looked all over Flickr for the photos needed for this article and I've mostly found wonderful photos that I've included. However, there are some photos not available anywhere under a free license that are very important to the article. So, the following media are needed:
**A photo of the Bucharest Prefecture, City Hall and sectorial town halls (any of these would do, all three would be best)
**A pronunciation recording of Bucureşt in Romanian
**A supermarket or a shopping centre to put in the Economy section (a Carrefour would do)
**The files Jmabel talked about: a picture of the Obor Market and a theatre
**Just a note - the photos should be nice and show the subject favourably :)
: If it's sunny, I'll try to go on Monday and take a few pictures, Teatrul Naţional and the City Hall (it's next to Cişmigiu). The Prefecture is located in the same building as the City Hall. bogdan 21:24, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: To do

message: :...making it the largest city between Berlin and Istanbul
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. if it means the largest city between the longitudes of Berlin and Istanbul, it's wrong, as there's Athens, which is larger (about 3 million city proper / 5 million metropolitan area) bogdan 23:28, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's true. In fact, Bucharest can only be considered the largest city of the EU accession countries, that's about it. Athens is larger, so Bucharest is second in Southeastern Europe. If we want to maintain old definitions and say it is the largest in Eastern Europe (which has been said, before :), then Kyiv is larger. I'd say a more relevant statement, upon EU accession, would be that it's the 6th largest city in the EU. Ronline 23:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  largest city between Berlin and Istanbul 

message: I propose that we make a new section that deals with history in Bucharest (i.e. not the history of Bucharest, but historical buildings and precincts in Bucharest), that includes three things currently unincorporated properly into a section:
*The historical city centre and Lipscani - it's still listed at Sights & landmarks, a section which shouldn't exist, and there are nice photos of this area (esp. Str Şelari)
*The palaces of Bucharest - Creţulescu and Cotroceni particularly
*The Museum of Romanian History, which is currently mentioned at Traditional culture but doesn't really belong there
Should this form a separate section within "Culture", or could it perhaps be integrated into a new Architecture section (also in Culture) without including the History Museum (which could be mentioned somewhere else). What do you think? Ronline 07:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This has now been done. The sights & landmarks section has been abolished (integrated into new Architecture section).  Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 09:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical culture section? 

message: Generaly this section is better now, so congratulations Ronline!!. I still have some ideeas, which I'll add here to comment upon:
*At the historical architecture:
**There is nothing about churches and there used to be plenty of them - that is the oldest architectural element still in existance - a typical Bucharest Church is either Byzantine, or greek or Brancovenesc style, of small size. Today some small old churches still exist such as the Stravropeoleos Church, those two on the Calea Victoriei - in front of the Bancorex building and in teh Revolution Sq, the one near the Hospital in Universitatii Sq.
***Colţea is the one in Universităţii sq, Creţulescu in Revoluţiei Sq (this one is in a very good shape and has an excelent position), the other one is Zlătari Church. --Orioane 00:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the info. I will integrate it in the Architecture section. Another thing - information about climate should go in the Geography section, as should information about variation in the city (i.e. income variation and characteristics between different districts/areas of the city)  Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 04:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the Creţulescu church, It was heavily restaurated in recent years, and I think it was finished after 2003 but I can't remember exactly. The problem anyway is with the whole centre, and I don't know how many buildings will survive a 6° Richter one. Generaly the buildings are clasiffied and the most endangered ones are marked with a Red Dot - I don't know if this should be added :). About the Calea Victoriei I propose to start an article now and to make a TODO list. --Orioane 10:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architecture 

message: Here's some ideeas:
*Typical Continental climate, with hot dry summers and cold windy winters.
*Due to its position in the Romanian Plain usualy winters are very windy, but due to urbanisation, the wind speeds are lower than outside the city (but still strong). Temperatures are generaly under 0C but also due to urbanisation it rarely drops under -10C.
*In the summer temperatures of over 25C are usual, with extremes up to 30-32C, but with low himidity. Also due to urbanisation, in the city centre during daytime, higher temperatures are normal (35-40C and more).
*Precipitations in the summer and in the winter are generaly rare, but the quantities are important.
*Late springtime and early autumn are the most pleasant periods, with lower temperatures (around 18-22C). Precipitations in the springtime and autumn are more common but the quantity of rain per time period is smaller (Help here, I don't know how to express this in a better way).
That's about all I can say from personal experience. --Orioane 18:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this info. It's inserted into the article (Climate section, in Geography and climate). I'm going to find average temperatures and make a climate graph soon.  Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 06:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found temperature stats at  and precipitation stats at . I've inserted the table in the article. I'll also create a climate graph to go alongside the table.  Ronline: National Day of Romania 1 December 16 years of freedom and loving it! 06:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: Ideeas:
*The North of the city is considered the most desirable and it is generay a villas region or small (rarely over 4 floors) appartment buildin. - Băneasa, Floreasca, Dorobanţi.
**Here can be added also there is the Cotroceni area - in the centre.
*The "Centrul Civic" area is a very desirable area due to the great surface of the appartments and the proximity to the city centre.
*Then comes the west and the south area of the city which are considered of higher standards due to the presence of large parks, the reasonable quality of the appartment buildings and good public transport connections: Titan, Colentina, Tineretului.
*Next there are medium desirable areas situated in the East and the South of the city, which are very crowded - Militari, Crângaşi, Dristor, Vitan, Sebastian, Pantelimon, 1 Mai - or further away from the Centre - the extreme south part: Brâncoveanu, Piaţa Sudului - or with bad public transport connections - Drumul Taberei.
*The ill famed areas: Ferentari, Rahova and most of the peripheries.
*The city centre is somewhere in the middle - prices are very high, superbe positioning, but appartment quality is very low because most buildings are old and some of them are prone to colapse at a strong earthquake, the area is crowded and there are little or no green spaces.
That's about it. Mabye we could search some statistic data somewhere. --Orioane 23:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "…little or no green spaces": except, of course, Gradina Cismigiu. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite - there is in the East side of Calea Victoriei mainly only Cismigiu, but on the West side, which is considered also the Centre there are parks like Gradina Icoanei (behind the Anclican Church) or in front of the St George Church - at the end of Lipscani St - although it's crouded but it also counts. :D --Orioane 09:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Districts Characteristics

message: :Bucharest is situated on the banks of the Dâmboviţa River, a tributary of the Danube
Actually, Dâmboviţa spills in Argeş which is indeed a tributary of the Danube... Should we change this? bogdan 21:58, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Changed to "Bucharest is situated on the banks of the Dâmboviţa River, which flows into the Argeş River, a tributary of the Danube."  Ronline ✉ 02:09, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dâmboviţă vs. Argeş and the Danube 

message: This has been coming along really nicely. Does anyone have a good summer picture for the climate section? Or are we going to have to wait six months? -- Jmabel | Talk 01:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: er.. How should "summer" be illustrated ? bogdan 00:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like the photos I took of Malmö: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anittas#Photos_contributed_by_me --Anittas 00:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what we need much more urgently than a summer photo is one of public instutions. Preferably the City Hall, but even sectorial councils, the Police Directorate-General or anything else mentioned in the "Law and government" section.  Ronline ✉ 09:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which should be easily accomplished by someone in Bucharest with a digital camera. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer 

message: This city sucks. Iaşi should be the capital of Romania. --Anittas 20:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We all know the reason why Iaşi was not chosen capital: it was too close to the Russian border. Bucharest also had a population about 50% larger, but the main reason was the location. bogdan 20:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL, you reverted my link to the article you gave us. I liked the article. It was a good one. --Anittas 21:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Let us concentrate for other goals. Let's not waste our time on such discussion.-- Bonaparte  talk 21:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text:  Of course, there was a period during World War I when Bucharest proved to be a bit close to the Germans. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:19, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just like Washington D.C. in 1814, when it proved to be a bit too close to England :) -- Mentatus 08:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the record 

message: Found this: . --Mihai -talk 16:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate (again)

message: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940CE4DB1730F936A15751C1A9639C8B63&sec=travel&pagewanted=print bogdan 00:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NYTimes article about Bucharest 

message: Why was Obor removed from the list of disricts in Sector 2? It seems to me like an important enough place to merit mention. - Jmabel | Talk 05:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obor 

message: Substituted at 20:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment