Talk:Dir (clan)

message: The title of this page is incorrect. 'Dir' is a clan. Title should simply be Dir.—the preceding comment is by S710 - 18:18, 5 June 2006: Please sign your posts!
:Yes, except Dir is a disambiguation page, because the name refers to many things. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The "Dir subclans" section is becoming unwieldy.  If we can establish some threshold of notability for inclusion, then I propose we pare down the list.  Otherwise, I suggest we move the list to its own article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 12:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup: Dir subclans 

message: I agree with moving all the articles about the subclans to the articles about the major clans to which they belong (Darod, Hawiye, Dir, Isaaq and the other three). Apart from the geographical distribution and famous persons there not much information.S710 16:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somali Subclans 

message: I am curious if these are all really subclans or families or persons. What is the use of the names of all these families in an encyclopedia. It begins to look like genealogy—The preceding unsigned comment was added by S710  (talk • contribs) 17:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clans or families or persons 

message: The following text was included without attribution. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 21:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved text from article 

message: Dir was a descendant of Irir Samaale... not some arab lol! Dirs have 99% E1b1b DNA!, not exactly Arab is it?
Some Xamars are trying to destroy our people.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.0.238 (talk • contribs) 02:45, 24 July 2011
: Do you have a source concerning the DNA? As for what Xamars are or are not doing, this is not the forum for it: see WP:CHAT. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the heck? 

message: Biamal is a Somali clan, which occupy an area from 35 km from Mogadishu south to Jilib and Kismayo, not far from border with Kenya. The Biamal fought against the Italian colonial rulers of Southern Somalia in a twenty-year war known as the Biamal Revolt, in which the Dir assassinated several Italian governors.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkaCadeey (talk • contribs) 16:27, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biimaal 

message: Dabruuwe Mohamed. SUBCLANS AND FAMILY TREE
The Dabruuwe clan has five major subclans, whose there mnemonics is: Rage dabruwe.Yusuf dabruuwe Weheliye dabruuwe. also dabruuwe and bimal they are brothers tree is as following:
The Mathigaan or Madigaan is a sub subclan of Dabrube, the Subclan of Dabruuwe and is one of the tribes that inhabits in Ethiopia and Somaliland. Historically, the Mathigaan were mainly pastoral and farmers who separated from other Dabruuwe in nearly 400 years ago, however, the record of written documents and inherited information from ancestors is well reserved in lower shabelle. The Dabrube tribes lived in different parts of somalia and Ethiopia, but they each had their history and blood connected.Italic text  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.138.15.11 (talk) 09:03, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dabruuwe Mohamed Clan 

message: dabruwe.Yusuf dabruuwe Weheliye dabruuwe. also dabruuwe and bimal they are brothers but dabruube are not part of bimaal,  tree is as following: The Mathigaan or Madigaan is a sub subclan of Dabrube, the Subclan of Dabruuwe and is one of the tribes that inhabits in Ethiopia and Somaliland. Historically, the Mathigaan were mainly pastoral and farmers who separated from other Dabruuwe in nearly 400 years ago, however, the record of written documents and inherited information from ancestors is well reserved in lower shabelle. Also there is Sarjele Dabruube  they are living in Qalalafe Ethiopia. Dabrube tribes lived in different parts of somalia and Ethiopia, but they each had their history and blood connected.Italic text — Preceding Dabruube (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  About, Dabruube mohamed clan 

message: Removed Isaaq as per academic grouping , , , ,  , , , . This is also how the Isaaq themselves regard their clan .Kzl55 (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaaq 

message: As the article stands now, the 'Origins' section blatantly misrepresents the reliable sources it cites:
*The article states  However, the source (Lewis 1961/1999, p. 12) clearly shows Samaale as the father (not the son) of Irir, and here as elsewhere Samaale is clearly depicted as a legendary ancestor, a fact which the sentence just quoted tends to obscure.
*The article states , referring to Lewis 1961/1999, p. 11-13. But Lewis does not mention any 'Cushitic ancestors', and instead makes it very clear that all Somali genealogies make claims to Arab origins:  (p. 11).
*The article states  This is sourced inter alia to Lewis 1961/1999, p. 12, but the table in Lewis 1961/1999 clearly shows that both the Dir and the Hawiye also trace their lineage to Aqil ibn Abi Talib. In fact, as Lewis 1961/1999, p. 12, note 3 remarks, it is the Isaaq who are exceptional in this regard in that they themselves trace their descent to Ali ibn Abi Talib, through an independent genealogy involving the legendary ancestor Ishaaq bin Ahmed (who, however, supposedly married a Dir woman, which means that the Isaaq also descend matrilineally from Aqil).
On 23 February 2022, I replaced this misrepresentation of sources with a section that faithfully conveys what Ioan Lewis (one of the foremost experts in this field) has written about this subject, both in Lewis 1961/1999 pp. 11-13 as cited above and in his 1994 Blood and Bone: The Call of Kinship in Somali Society. In the days following, this was reverted several times by an edit-warring IP    and by sockpuppeteer  , then on 14 March 2022 again by an IP , and finally yesterday (9 May 2022) once more by an IP . The same source-misrepresenting edit has been made several times at the Hawiye page, by ElphionAbraham socks  and    , and more recently by the apparently unrelated  .
I did not feel comfortable further reverting these edits without thorough explanation of why they are indeed disruptive. I will refer to this thread for any further revert. Of course, comments on what I wrote above are always welcome. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 09:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins section: blatant misrepresentation of sources 

message: 192.145.172.37 (talk) 23:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:57, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 May 2023 

message: They are also considered to be the oldest Somali stock to have inhabited the region.
Stock definition
Inventory of Goods: A supply of goods or materials that are kept on hand for sale or use.
Financial Capital: The capital raised by a company through the issue and subscription of shares, representing ownership in the company.
Livestock: Animals, especially cattle, kept on a farm. 209.93.44.111 (talk) 05:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request