Talk:Canadian Alliance of Student Associations

message: So where is the proof behind the mention of those schools? You have to backup your claims. Spinboy 03:17, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great, and I appreciate that. However, you don't have to attack CASA in it's own article about how effective they may or may not be. That's not neutral. That one paragraph should still be removed. Spinboy 04:12, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: OK, I agree, and will remove it but I don't see what is different between this and the comment made on the CFS site saying that CASA members left after much dissatisfaction with CFS.  I personally agree that organizations should not be attacked on their own pages but people seem to have different opinions on Wiki about this.  Serious 7 Jan 2005
The tone of the article is very POV. 70.50.122.114 02:53, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC:How so? Spinboy 03:27, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I'm wondering. Spinboy 04:38, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: If we are airing out CASA's dirty laundry, then the same should be done for CFS. Spinboy 19:05, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attacks 

message: I've referenced accusations that CASA is an "apologist" for the Liberal government. The article should not state that these allegations are true but in accordance with NPOV we should make reference to the fact that the allegations exist. As for the crisis allegations not being "proven", I'm sorry Spinboy but if a criminal conviction in court does not meet your standards of proof I don't know what does. I see no reason why we shouldn't mention the conviction in the article given that it is CASA related and yes it did hurt CASA's credibility in the mid-1990s. Our job is not to protect the subjects of articles from damaging information but to be neutral and balanced which means putting forward positive and negative information in a neutral manner. AndyL 20:31, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went to the scholarship board's website, and it makes no mention of Usher. Is there any other proof he was appointed to the board? Our job isn't to perpetuate allegations. One could also argue that CFS is in league with the NDP. Spinboy 20:34, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: That works for me, thank you. Spinboy 23:29, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Liberals

message: I removed the "seen as less confrontational than those favoured by CFS" from the sentence in which you list the different resources that CASA uses in its lobbying.  Although it is true that CASA does not use "rallies" or "demonstrations" as a lobbying tactic, CFS also uses postcards (used for Rae Review), petitions (petitions for tuition freezes, reductions), and meetings with governmental officials (we talked about this one already)...so it is not right to counterpoise these tactis to those of CFS.Serious 08:03, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  CASA vs CFS Tactics 

message: U of M voted this week to leave CASA. This should be added to the article, n'est pas?AndyL 02:25, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went to the website of their student newspaper, and it makes no mention of it. Neither does the CASA website. Spinboy 02:37, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to call long distance for something that will come out in their newspaper during the next edition. When it does come out, then it can be updated. Spinboy 04:49, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: I left the article you had provided in the ext links section. That link is fine, I will be more satisfied when the actual article comes out, but for now I'll let it go. --Spinboy 00:05, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: U of Manitoba

message: Apparently, the University of Saskatchewan is also reconsidering its membership in CASA. AndyL 03:46, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Does no one around here know how to use headers? :p --Spinboy 04:47, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: U Sask

message: You don't want the CFS article to list those who left, yet this one should even if we remove the members section? That's not neutral. --Spinboy 04:57, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I had even removed the "Founding" members. Spinboy 05:08, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members 

message: I've read the history here, and I'm wondering if there is anything still in dispute. AndyL makes good case for inclusive additions, as to the listing of all members being too long... then I'd suggest a comprimise of listing the initial membership in each organization, and a current tally of members who remain and who have left. - RoyBoy 800 19:05, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: I still object to the listing of orgs that left here, and not in the CFS article. -- Spinboy 04:05, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: *I've added details of the lesser known The Winds are Changing Again document, written by Nick Vikander of McGill and his counterpart at U of A in 2001. The document was an attempt to fix the perceived stagnation and problems of CASA. I've also added more details to SSMU's (McGill) withdraw from CASA pm_shef 06:35, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Winds are Changing Again + McGill

message: The comments with respect to ties to the Liberal Party used as evidence a national director going to work for the Liberal Party (hardly an example of clear ties), and a pieing incident that no one publicly took credit for. This was followed by a comment that being close to the Liberals "has advantages." It looked more like an argument between two partisans sides than a NPOV treatment of an issue in an encyclopedia.
If you want some kind of mention that CASA is thought to be close to the Liberals, it should have the name of the person or organization making the allegations attached. Likewise, if you want to mention that this alleged proximity to the Liberal Party has produced results, it should cite external sources saying as much. This article shouldn't be a forum for "impressions," and the (inevitable) bickering that results. I realize it might be hard to cite sources when the issues aren't well addressed in student media, but that is probably a sign that the issues aren't suitable for this article.
I removed the comments. If someone would like to take another stab at addressing the issue, please go ahead, but I don't think it adds much to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.149.223.100 (talk • contribs) 
*I'm going to readd the allegation itself, simply because it is widespread and probably the most common criticism of the group (just as with CFS and the NDP). In terms of the other issues, you make a good point. -- pm_shef 16:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Liberal Issue

message: I added information and citations on Fitzpatrick (the former director who plead guilty to defrauding CASA) and Arbuckle (the former Nat. Director who resigned) but I recognize that my wording on it and its location is not ideal. Any ideas on how to improve the placement/wording of this information? Chris902 (talk) 17:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies

message: This article definitely needs some work and updating but recent "anonymous" attempts to remove historical content are not constructive.  Please refrain from deleting relevant and verifiable facts without providing a reason.--Chris902 (talk) 20:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Vandalism

message: If this article is going to note "dissatisfaction" and which associations leave and when, shouldn't it also, to be balanced, note the ones who join and when? Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:03, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: an IP address made huge revisions in 2014 that have seriously changed the article and POV. 
Some can be justified as the sources have gone down, however I have sources for large portions of the content and will ensure it is back up true to the original with additional details in particular regarding the history of the organization.
compare for reference:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Canadian_Alliance_of_Student_Associations&type=revision&diff=664276471&oldid=631084451
Cheers
Lastheel (talk) 02:43, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive POV changes likely from CASA 

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