Talk:Newbie/Archive 1

message: Noobs are not newbies.  Noobs are chatspeaking, foolish, nit-wits who's only pupose is to make other people miserable and to argue with other noobs.  Newbies are people who are new to something and they might not know about rules and other things.  If someone is a newbie on Wikipedia, they might accidentally vandalize an article (like adding something that might seem too opiniondated), while a noob would porposely vandalise an article for fun. B katt 500 21:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Noobs and newbies

message: Mike is a perfect noob in all games he trys to play, in comon internet language, we sometimes say : "oh my god u r so mike" to a noob who is anyoing other people. By the way, the name "Fred" is lot used in canada and cold countrys to describe someone as a mix of a noob and an intellectual deficient. For people who know this expression, call someone a "f**ing Fred" is so badly more vexing then a sob (son of a bi**) or a mofu (motherfu**er).
:The only noobs on Wikipedia are those childish fools who must use the encyclopedia to insult each other. Please keep your bickering offline. Nihiltres 15:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: See Mike

message: I was thinking that newbie is a shorter, slang form of newcomer. It makes sense to me... you have that word, then cross out the "comer" and put in "ie" to make it mean new-like. Also, that's congruent with the US Army usage.
Also, newb or noob is normally used equitatively(sp?) and everyone feels equally insulted when you use either one of them. Although it is true that if you want to say it without ill meaning, you do use newb or newbie rather than noob. But both are used offensively. Just that noob is easier to type.
Also, there is a rather large portion in "Newb vs. noob" that explains the usage of both of them... shoulden't there be another section for that instead?
I'll go ahead and add "newcomer" to the etymology
LeinaD natipaC 15:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: I had requested to have this article protected last week, as it was for 4 days. And since it was un-protected we have a ish-load of vandalism. Given the nature of this article, I highly reccomend this be protected for as long as possible in the future. ONly when we have a sandbox version of the next revision should it be unprotected, and only for that time. Theres just way too much vandalism --Larsinio 16:00, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Isn't this the type of article frequently vandalized by anons yet having little actual controversy with experienced editors, and thus perfectly fitting for the semi-protection? Elvarg 11:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: This was added after the first paragraph under n00b:
 As time goes on, the term "n00b" is receiving a broader definition. It is now commonly used when referring to an especially stupid person regardless of how long they have actually interacted with the game, website, etc.
This is actually true, but it's redundant with information already in the article. (Also, it would be more accurate to say this of the word newbie, as n00b is a derivative of the former, and the two words are now practically identical in meaning.) -Aranel ("Sarah") 22:58, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed insertion 

message: I have removed a section claiming that newb has a specialized meaning. I'm sure that it does have that meaning in the community where the editor who inserted it  learned it, but that's not a distinction that is generally made.
As far as I have been able to determine (and I've been exposed to a lot of internet communities), the spelling does not generally make a big difference (or, rather, if you intend it to make a difference, that's fine, but outside of the community where you learned to make that distinction, you cannot it expect to be understood). In current usage, whether you spell it newbie, newb, n00b, etc., it increasingly means about the same thing. (In a couple of years we'll probably have to invent a whole new word if we want to tell the various usages apart!)
I do think that there are two broad trends: one meaning that is basically positive and one that is basically negative. However, which spelling is attached to which meaning (or whether both meanings exist in the same place at the same time) is increasingly arbitrary.
Within a particular community, noob might be used almost exclusively in a negative sense and newb might be self-deprecating, while newbie is a perfectly polite word for a newcomer. This is not standard. Within another community, all three might be consisted equally insulting, or equally inconsequential.
Maybe I'm not articulating this very well. People keep adding sections to this article about how such-and-such variation has such-and-such specific meaning, but I really don't think that's how the word in general actually works. -Aranel ("Sarah") 04:43, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: Someone added "nub", an " (adorably clueless new player) " to the Etymology section. Doing a quick lookup on Google for "nub noob", it seems that it's merely another, yet shorter variant of "newbie" or "noob" and does not have any specific meaning related to adorable or clueless. Searching for "nub" brings up nothing related. I'm voting to modify or remove that entry, so please comment... I'm leaving it as is for now. Thanks, Nihiltres 16:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nub? 

message: I'd say jewb has a pretty clear meaning... JEWb. It's implying the other person is a Jew, which is used provocatively and degradingly by some online users. My particular experiences with this word are on Bnet, where "warrers" (people who use bots to disrupt channel activity) frequently use jewb as an insult to get people riled up. Lantoka 02:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  jewb/j00b/jub/whatever 

message: Damn noobs keep vandalising the article! --Croperz 03:32, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irony 

message: This page is getting very heavy vandalism and I'm tempted to place the AFD tag on this as it should be more of a Wiktionary Candidate and not here --JAranda | watz sup 06:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's only two stupid anons on different (but quite similar) IPs. Ban them, and it will almost completely quit. -- RattleMan 06:13, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

text: While it is true that this page receives heavy vandalism, it is, in my opinion at least, an encyclopedic topic. The vandalism it receives is natural given the topic: People (who are themselves noobs on Wikipedia!) post other people's names as examples; et cetera... the vandalism is minor and can be limited. Nihiltres 20:15, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Im tempted 

message: After having to tolerate many newbies to Wikipedia constantly adding new variants on the word "newbie", I'd like to organize this attempt at adding some of this information in a section for that purpose. If you happen to know of a variant on newbie, please add it to the list below, which I'll start with some of the more common variants. Once this contains a decent, categorized list, it can safely be posted in the article itself, as a valid contribution rather than many minor edits bordering on vandalism. Thanks. Nihiltres 18:51, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at how long this list is getting, I think it needs some better formatting. Although I'm very busy with school and thus can't help much, the second phase of this list will be categorization. Since the goal is to sort the variants as they relate to the etymology of the word, try to make categories as such. The most obvious category visible to me right now is "animal/food-based variants" which would include noobcake and noobasaurus rex... I'm not going to start this because I'm not sure how to format it right. :P Thanks. Nihiltres 06:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variants! 

message: Going by this article alone, I'm finding that it is redundant and often contradicts itself in several places. It ought to get a proper look-over. Xym 01:09, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: It says the term noob was first used in the 80's by hackers on the BBS. Is that true? Are you sure your not meaning Newbie? I was always under the impression that the term "Noob" first came into existence with the creation of character Noob Saibot. Who was known to be very cheap and easy to use.--71.162.28.50 07:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of Noob Saibot, shouldn't Noob redirect instead to a disambiguation page between this article, Noob Saibot, The noob, and other similarly named articles? --Geopgeop 14:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: However, the term noob, is not the correct form of newbie, and is not considered the right way to say newbie or newb. Also now a new term for a noob has arised called a naab
* The above link goes to a river in Germany, which had been modified to include some material on this variant. Moved to Naab (river) talk page. If naab is in fact commonly used, disambiguate?Ben Kidwell 18:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV material and bad link moved here 

message: Yes n00b started as the leet spelling of newbie however these days in most places on the internet (except amongst some people who themselves fall under the n00b steryotype) they are generally regarded as different things.
Newbie= Someone who just happens to be new. Maybe breaks the occasional rule out of ignorance and all that but is willing to learn the correct way of doing things. Apart from being new they are otherwise just the same as a regular member.
N00b= A newbie (usually- you can get eternal n00bs in places with lax moderation) who is a total idiot and goes around posting stupid things all the time despite people telling them to stop. Often 12 year old Americans by some strange quirk too.
(note last part is joking- not suggesting anyhting like that should be included)
This article needs a major overhall...--Josquius 17:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  n00b != newbie 

message: for most of the examples of "n00bing" we have "example, act of example, Act of example 2"
Most of the RPG-X can be done similarly simple lines as EVERYTHING that is meantioned there is "n00bish" and done on EVERY game, not just RPG-X.  Spaming is a common problem,  playing with the admin functions of the game, violating server rules, lame plots(or modules in Neverwinter night), bugging for advanced classes.
It'd be better to rewrite that whole Elite Force section into the aformeantioned format so it flows much better, singling out actions that are n00bish for that game can be done in that game's own wikipedia article if needed especially when you consider Elite Force and RPG-X is not exactly the top of the multiplayer chain, never drawing even a percentage of what a online MMORPG draws, so why exactly are we singling it out?--Kinglink 19:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information on Elite Forces/RPG-X not needed. 

message: The following are more "1337 speak" than noob talk:
*OMG KAN I HAV SOME FREE STUFFS PL0X!1!@!! 
*OMG I KILLZ0RZ U, G1V3 ME MONEY!!!@21111! 
*NUB!!1! IM UR GF! GIV3 ME PHR33 ST00F! 
People will say things like this when making fun of noobs; actual noobs don't speak with numbers and symbols like that. So I'm going to go ahead and change it to this:
*CAN I HAV SUM FREE STUFF PLZ????
*give me mony or i kill u!!
*im ur gf nub........giv me free stuff!!!1
Any objections? NuncAutNunquam 14:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Newbies, maybe - but I was always under the impression that noobs could never spell correctly. Meh, I dunno. It seems as though everyone has a different definition of noob. That's probably why this article keeps contradicting itself. NuncAutNunquam Talk 14:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Noob talk?

message: Where did that 'Nub' section come from?
As far as I know, 'Nub' Just is another way of saying noob.
In all the online games i play nub means noob.
Im removing the 'nub' section, anyone disagree?
Wesz 05:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nub 

message: Someone should add that it began on neopets, the term "n00b", that is.
Got any proof? I don't believe it started at such an board as neoboards. Its mostly a shooting game therm and I don't consider Neopets a game that involves shooting. --E-Magination 11:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  neoboards-the FC 

message: I rember there being something where the article whould say:
"newbie(leet:n00b)"
I don't see it anymore so I put it back in. I don't understand why would not be in the article since n00b is commonly used in online gaming.--Scott3 04:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  n00b 

message: The official heirarchy of newbies is
newbie > newb > noob > nub > nublet 
fact.
How is something like that a fact? How is it offical? Just curious... —Tareel  T C   07:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a fact because it's his opinion, and that's all that matters. ;) --Dreaded Walrus 18:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  heirarchy 

message: The Noobs in Internet gaming section reads like an experienced gamer who was frustrated at "newbs"- the tone needs to be less aggressive, I think. I may remember to have a go, but may not...EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME | IMPROVEME 00:29, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone- uses section 

message: Why is this here? A n00b and a newbie are entirely diffrent things.--Mac Lover Talk 00:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: how about adding this:
"Ctrl+Alt+Del recently created a comic based on the generally / widely accepted definition of Newb / Noob.
http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20060823"
sorry, haven't figured out links yet (i'm still a newbie, haha)
Steamrunner 08:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition to pop. culture? 

message: This article needs sources, and it needs them now. Unfortunately sources for things like this are irritatingly hard to get hold of. Someone needs to try, though – Gurch 18:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: change the "Editing of this article by unregistered or newly registered users is currently disabled." message to "Editing of this article by newbies is currently disabled."
Martian Kyo 11:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be really funny if it could say "editing of this article by TOTAL N00BS is currently disabled." But it wouldn't be very professional. Grandmasterka 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An unconstructive suggestion

message: True, maybe; but these examples are from books obviously written by authors reluctant to include the obscene version of newbie used in Vietnam during the war. And that was FNG, which means a "Fucking New Guy". Kguirnela 09:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: U.S. Army usage

message: In the current featured articel, History of the board game Monopoly, it makes the claim that, quote: "In the UK it was published in 1913 by the Newbie Game Company under the title Brer Fox an' Brer Rabbit." Is this a wild co-incidence or is this word even older? 68.39.174.238 02:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone notice this? 

message: The origin of the word "Newb" and ll its variants, come from the word "Newborn".-MG
No it comes from "newcomer". puppy441 - (lvl 80)OnRS 14:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of newb 

message: "Newb" simply originates fromt he word "Newborn"-MG
The term definitely originated as prep school slang; the Jargon File says it's of British origin. Used to describe the youngest students at the school and/or the most recently enrolled, short for "new boy". Nowadays it's considered to be gender-neutral as private schools have enrolled girls. I've heard this expression in use for decades, long before widespread use of the Internet. I suspect that it far pre-dates US Army use from the Vietnam era. If this article is going to be of good quality, it needs to reflect the term's origins before diving into the complex usage of "n00b". Venicemenace 18:45, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New boy.