Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Waterways/Archive 1

message: We need the means to identify articles in need of repair, uncited articles, stubs, articles without images etc. We need to identify subjects, canals, canal tunnels and aqueducts which are deserving of an article but do not yet have one. I have concentrated on canals and infrastructure in my area but I am willing to branch out where needed. It would be useful to know what an article needs to contain for it to cease to be a stub. Martin Cordon 20:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added two new sections. These can be hived off to separate pages when there is sufficient content. Andy Mabbett 21:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-existent articles and articles in trouble 

message: Would this also include lakes and reservoirs e.d. Rutland Water, Windermere etc? Does it include watersports? Simply south 21:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest that we cover canal-feeder reservoirs, but not otherwise. I would exclude most water-sports, unless they're specific to navigable waterways (Severn Bore surfing, perhaps?) Andy Mabbett 21:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just getting the articles relating to canals, river navigations and their associated infrastructure in order is a mountain of work. Natural lakes, hydro-electric reservoirs and potable water storage reservoirs should I think wait until the main body of work is done. Although if an editor is enthusiastic about this aspect then feel free. Watersports belong elsewhere, I think. Martin Cordon 21:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rutland Water is an artificial lake but then again it may be a resrvoir. Simply south 22:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rutland Water is a potable water reservoir not built to provide water for canals or river navigations. It is used by sailing boats and pleasure craft but it is not part of the waterways system. It isn't used by boats to get from one geographical location to another. Loch Ness fits your grey area much better because it is a natural lake and a link between parts of the Caledonian Canal. Martin Cordon 22:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lakes & reservoirs come under Wikipedia:WikiProject Lakes. While I'm here what about canal which are no longer navigable eg Somerset Coal Canal?— Rod talk 15:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Former canals (drained or not), abandoned works or proposals, and future plans, are all clearly inside the scope of this project. As are canal reservoirs - there's no reason why something can't come under multiple projects! Andy Mabbett 15:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverage 

message: On the Uk Geography Project Talk Page I suggested an updating and/or expansion of the various "How to" guides. One of the ones I suggested was a "How to write about UK Watercourses", since the current "rivers guideline" is biased in favour of USA rivers. Now, given that there was a comment suggesting that Rivers and Artificial Watercourses be treated differently, is there anyone who feels able and/or willing to start off such a guide? Let's say just canals for now. Any offers? I'm not experienced enough to attempt it, but I could assist given a basis of a preliminary version already started.  DDStretch  (talk) 15:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My comment (its only brief) can be found in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography#New or Updated Guidelines. Looking back, it and the following brief discussion doesn't really say much.  DDStretch  (talk) 13:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A "How to..." guide?

message: Having just seen that the stub article puddling (engineering) exists, would it be appropriate for such a canal engineering-type article to be labelled with the  template, even though it is a non-UK-specific topic?
EdJogg 23:50, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: going by the existance of such a tag on Talk:Canal inclined plane yes.Geni 23:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Scope?? 

message: Please use: 
:Image:BCN_OldTurnJunction_1.jpg, :Image:BCN_OldTurnJunction_2.jpg as you see fit, Perhaps we need an article about OTJ, given its history? And maybe a new icon for the maps ;-)  Andy Mabbett 15:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A nice historic picture without the glass monstrosity would be good, as well.Pyrotec 16:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. Unfortunately, the battery on my Tardis is flat. ;-) Andy Mabbett 16:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The first won't upload; I'll try again later. Andy Mabbett 16:46, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Andy Mabbett 18:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Turn Junction images

message: We seem to have successfully linked into canals, however river navigations are also part of our scope; and as yet there are no links between the Project and the river navigations. Pyrotec 14:39, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  River  Navigations 

message: I have the first four Nicholson Waterways Guides, and have just listed them on the project page, in a format that's easily cut & pasted. Please drop a note on my talk page if there's anything I can look up for you. Does anyone have numbers 5-7? Andy Mabbett 21:03, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicholson Waterways Guides 

message: Hi, Bristol Harbour (which has a note on it's talk page to say it falls within the remit of this project) has had a GA review which is on hold (for 2-7) days pending some revisions - the feedback is on Talk:Bristol Harbour - would anyone be able to help get this to GA status?— Rod talk 17:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bistol Harbour GA on hold 

message: Please can someone double check the map on Gower Branch Canal. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 23:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gower Branch Canal map

message: This:  may be of use. Andy Mabbett 16:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks suspiciously like a railway tunnel template; so we might wish to produce one for waterways.Pyrotec 21:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tunnel template

message: In case anyone is interested in the mapping templates there are discussions running at  (Route diagram being the renamed (moved) Railway line template project).  Oosoom Talk to me 17:25, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template

message: I've added a basic timeline outlining events on the Manchester, Bolton and Bury Canal page.  If anybody has any tips to offer, perhaps a template that would suit it better - could they please let me know, or of course just alter it themselves?  Parrot of Doom 21:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines 

message: I've added a gallery of images to this page, so am deleting the request for images on the discussion page of that wiki Parrot of Doom 18:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manchester and Salford Junction Canal 

message: Pages marked with  can be exported as KML (for use in Google Earth, for example) via Brian Suda's site, in this format:
:http://suda.co.uk/projects/microformats/geo/get-geo.php?type=kml&uri=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherton_Tunnel_Branch_Canal
The same URL can be pasted into Google Maps as a search, and will show the locations, as push-pins on a map
I've requested a template which will generate such links, for any page on which it appears.
I'm chuffed! Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template  was created - and promptly nominated for deletion. I'm dischuffed!" Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 22:00, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Export points of interest as KML; see them on Google Maps 

message: I added details to the Neath and Tennant Canal page and created pages for the Aberdare Canal and Kidwelly & Llanelli Canal, without finding out that there was a waterways project. Sorry if that trod on anybody's toes. Do I join here? Bob1960evens 22:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes and no. Not on this talk page but you can under Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Waterways#Members. Simply south 22:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this the place to join the project 

message: I'm reporting this page, it's hacked on the first thumbnail image and the image itself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_Wheel  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.49.5.216 (talk) 10:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Thanks for pointing this out. --Old Moonraker 12:11, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hacked page