Talk:Maurício Rua

message: Who keeps reediting the LHW Champion section to include the alleged "tapping to strikes"?  The ruling was a TKO (Referee stoppage) in the third round, NOT a submission.  Stop putting it in there, it is not a fact just some people trying to slander this page.  Shogun did not tap to strikes, it was not the official ruling, PERIOD.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.22.180 (talk) 18:25, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Tapping to strikes

message: "Rua subsequently lost the belt on his first title defense to Jon Jones via TKO after being dominated for 3 rounds. According to MMA Junkie, Rua also tapped with his right hand after eating a knee to the skull at 2 minutes and 37 seconds into the third round. According to a CompuStrike report, Jones landed some 87 total strikes in the contest; Rua just 13, and he was hardly recognizable after the fight."
1. "Being dominated" is a subjective phrasing ill befitting an encyclopedia. 
2. The official fight record is by (t)ko, not "tapping by strikes". 
3. "Hardly recognizable" is completely out of place. In what sense? He was clearly the same man visually. He was beaten up - as many fighters have been. But he was hardly "unrecognizable" and this is absurd to put in an article.
Please, someone edit this to have a semblance of objectivity. We needn't turn an encyclopedia into a proving ground for who has the biggest e-peen. That is what crappy threads on Sherdog.com are for. 24.42.93.217 (talk) 00:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Unobjective text in the Jones fight

message: First UFC Fight
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Hi, not sure how to edit this but if anyone else thinks this is interesting, here's a cool stat. Since coming into the UFC, Shogun has fought 5 times.
Every single match, he's fought a person that either has held, or goes on to hold a UFC championship at or above 205 pounds.
This stat seems like it's going to continue, as it's likely he's fighting former UFC LHW champion Evans in his next fight.. making that 6 fights against championship caliber fighters. Even the way he won the belt is so impressive - up until his fight with Machida, Machida had never lost around and was statistically the least hit fighter in the history of the UFC.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.105.18 (talk) 20:19, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: use this one, its more recent and has him holding both the pride GP and ufc light heavyweight title
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4622974409_6d11dde9a1_o.jpg
Delinquent1904 (talk) 06:50, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Better pic to use for shogun

message: In regards to his supposed submissio win over Diabate via Stomps. He did not win this fight via submission, proof of which can be found here http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Mauricio-Rua-5707  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.176.6.178 (talk) 04:43, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Shogun's Submission Wins

message: Someone has vandalised his win/loss record.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.38.76 (talk) 21:52, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism I cant fix

message: http://sherdog.com/news/news/liddell-shogun-to-carry-ufc-97-15815
SDRXD (talk) 06:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rua vs. Liddell 

message: He started MT at age 15 and BJJ at age 17 and got his Black Belt at age 25. This article is wrong someone change it. Source = recent interview regarding Coleman bout.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.17.52 (talk) 11:48, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  He also said so in a Pride interview.  I have corrected the article accordingly. -- Tim314 (talk) 11:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected info on when Rua started MT and BJJ 

message: 76 in = 193 cm not 190 cm. I've seen these mistakes in other fighters' pages. There's something wrong with the conversion between inches and cm.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.166.18 (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reach 

message: :Before changing the results of this event to anything even remotely resembling "fixed" or "rigged" or "under investigation", verifiable and reliable sources need to be referenced to support such a change.  Failing that, especially since UFC does not provide judges for their events, the results need to remain as "unanimous."  This is getting to be a pretty pathetic edit war, which may result in the page being protected against IP editing.  Alan (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever connection the UFC and the NSAC and the other sanctioning bodies have will be hearsay forever - even if there was some connection between them, it can not be proven. But I'd like to request that someone put some fight statistics up in the UFC 104 section. http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html should be a good enough source for this. Helge123 (talk) 21:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  UFC 104 

message: I see no source for the rematch being at 108 and have heard no such announcement anywhere, only speculation.  I am removing it until a credible, firm declaration is provided.  Senor Vergara (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rematch

message: The date of birth at the top of the page is given as November 26 1981, while the one in the sidebar is in September. Which is correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.196.57 (talk) 14:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of Birth

message: Nougeria also had a Pride championship and a UFC championship so WTF?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.68.74.191 (talk) 02:14, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait. 

message: Jon Jones "method" says the date of the event, instead of the date section
99.249.120.164 (talk) 18:39, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand what you're asking for.  The tables are correct for "Method" and "Event" and "Date".  Perhaps your browser is displaying it improperly for you?  It is correct when I view it.  Maybe I am misunderstanding what you're asking for?  Dachknanddarice (T‖C) 18:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I also see the date in the date column, not the method column. It has looked odd at times recently (, ), but it seems to be fixed now. — Bility (talk) 03:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 99.249.120.164, 19 March 2011 

message: An edit was made in the description of the Rua/Jones fight because a user claimed that the words "Jon Jones Dominated Rua" was subjective and "ill befitting an Encyclopedia". The description of the fight was changed to the point that it barely reflected what actually happened in the bout. This on its on would not be a big issue if it were not for the fact that earlier in the article someone used those same "ill befitting" words to describe a fight that Shogun had won against Quinton Jackson. Here is the text in question. 
"Jackson had been the runner-up in the Pride 2003 Middleweight Grand Prix, but Maurício dominated the favored fighter from beginning to end, breaking Jackson's ribs with knee strikes and ending the fight in dramatic fashion with soccer kicks to the face in the first round."
So why is it OK to use those same supposed "subjective" words when describing one of Shoguns victories but not one of his defeats? An encyclopedia is unbiased and most importantly consistent. No one has had a problem with the description of the Shogun/Rampage fight in the many years it has been on here because it is not subjective that Rua dominated the Jackson fight just like it is also not subjective that Jones dominated the Rua fight. 
I changed the fight description of the Jones fight to more correctly reflect what actually occurred in the bout. I was just as careful not to embellish on Jones's victory for his fans as I was not to sugar coat Rua's defeat for his fans. Jones did indeed overwhelm Rua from start to finish and it began with a flying knee mere seconds after the round one bell which even Mauricio himself admitted to greatly affecting the rest of his performance for the rest of the fight.
For now I will leave out the fact that Rua did indeed tap as he had not noticed the referee coming in to call the fight behind him. Officially it was after the bell and does not deserve mention in the official fight record below. However, it doesn't change the fact that Rua thought the fight was still going on when he tapped after receiving the knee to the body. Just like how significant events before and after fights deserve mentioning I could see how someone thought it was relevant to say that the fight was officially called a mere second before Rua tapped. Darrylreevs (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better consistency in "Unobjective Text". 

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message: Throughout the article, he is refereed to as shogun but it isn't listed as a nickname anywhere that I can see. this could be confusing for someone unfamiliar with Rua  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.12.173.72 (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname in the opening