Talk:Louis Blériot

message: Louis Bleriot...does anyone know if his last name is pronounced "Blay-rye-oh" or "Bleer-e-ot" or "Blay-riot" or what...jw! Cheezyt93 03:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC
:It's Blare-ree-oh Drutt 09:22, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Would it be appropriate to put a note about the Rivendell Bleriot, a bicycle model named in honor of Louis Bleriot, in this entry?  Note that the Rivendell Bleriot has a picture of Louis Bleriot on the seat tube. If you think this is not relevant, I will understand.  I have no professional affiliation with Rivendell.  I just like their bikes.Fbagatelleblack 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bicycle 

message: Some suggestions for improvement as the article is expanded:
*Template:Infobox Scientist should be added 
*Some basic biographical information required, including dates for education, positions held, any family information
*Lead needs expanding to cover all the subject's achievements
*Material after his death needs a separate heading
*Information on inventions should be expanded, with graphics showing his inventions if possible
*Expansion of information covering the latter part of his life required, including details of his death
*References should be expanded to include non-web sources, and preferably converted to inline format
*External links present which could be used to expand article
Espresso Addict 19:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review comments 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 07:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you mean at least one project rated the article and the other project ratings were brought up to at least that level? Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 11:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating 

message: There is nothing spoken of Blériot's life after the Channel crossing, nothing about his race at Reims against Glenn Curtiss, nothing about his businesses (not even his takeover and absorbtion of SPAD), nothing about his death except the date, nothing at all after the Channel crossing except an advertisement for a 21st century bicycle!
Also, technically he was not the first person to fly a heavier-than-air craft over a large body of water.  Hubert Latham flew an Antoinette over the Channel before Bleriot's flight.  Latham just didn't make it all the way across.  Blériot was the first to fly a heavier-than-air craft across the English Channel. Respectfully, SamBlob (talk) 11:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problems you stated in your first paragraph are resolved (I think). As for the 2nd paragraph's complaint, I will clarify it STYROFOAM1994talkReview me! 00:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some biography! 

message: I deleted the homage section because I thought it wasn't very notable. It's just a random bicycle with a picture of Bleriot on it. STYROFOAM1994talkReview me! 23:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree.  Much thought went into the naming of that bicycle, and the ultimate naming definitely was intended as an homage to Blériot.  One must understand the motivations of Rivendell Bicycle Works to understand the connection between the bicycle and the aviator.  In any case, this bicycle has introduced Blériot to thousands of people who would never have heard of him otherwise.  That said, I can see where the bicycle itself would have little significance to an aviation historian, so I shall not contest your edit at this point.  Fbagatelleblack (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's ask another, unrelated user on whether it should be included or not. Best regards, STYROFOAM1994talkReview me! 00:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I have asked User:Jimfbleak to weigh in on this issue.  He is a great admin who has provided me much guidance in the past.  He has no bias in this matter.  Fbagatelleblack (talk) 21:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to the two editors above for dealing with this issue without any hint of edit-warring. I don't think that I have a bias in this matter, since I know little about aviation and less about bikes, but I am aware that I have had more dealings with one of the editors above than the other. My personal inclination would be to keep rather than remove, but I think this is a borderline case. Why not put it at a place where multiple users who know what they are doing can comment? I'd be inclined to take this to Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography (likely to be more neutral than Aviation) and get a definitive decision. Jimfbleak (talk) 06:16, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is clearly an advertisement.  If the page for Abraham Lincoln had an image of an Abraham Lincoln Pepsi can would that be ok?  This bicycle has nothing to do with Louis Blériot's life and is inappropriate in the scope of a biography. Zabby1982 (talk) 00:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically I feel that point 4 & 5 of WP:SOAP are violated.  It's nice that Fbagatelleblack is a bike nut and all, but this is either advertising, or self-promotion (due to his interests clearly stated on his bio page) as per wikipedia rules.Zabby1982 (talk) 00:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support removing the section as trivia.  This bicycle does not effect either Bleriot nor the general public perception of him. --Leivick (talk) 01:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bicycle homage 

message: In the section "Later life":  "However, the quality of the aircraft was controversial, as inspections showed the numerous crashes with these aircraft."  Inspections showed crashes?  Maybe "as shown by inspections after numerous crashes", maybe "as shown by inspections and numerous crashes", or maybe just "inspections showed numerous problems".  Or something else.  --71.126.55.70 (talk) 18:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspections showed crashes? 

message: This article has multiple grammatical and other language errors. When I have time...
APW (talk) 08:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language errors 

message: This article says that during Bleriot's cross-Channel flight, "rain was cooling the engine, putting it in danger of being shut down."  Wasn't it the other way around?  I mean, the Anzani engine was very prone to overheating, I know that much; in fact, it could only keep running continuously for 20 minutes or so before it would jam.  So wasn't it the case that the rain, by cooling the engine, was preventing it from overheating and failing?  FWiW 98.234.126.251 (talk) 03:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engine issues? 

message: Although informative, the article is nowhere near the quality or length needed for such a seminal individual.
Here's an example, that almost invites ridicule, "Blériot then left and started creating his own airplanes, experimenting with various configurations, eventually creating the world's first successful monoplane, the Blériot V, but this model crashed easily."
Erm, hardly a "successful" design then, I would have thought. ;-) I quite admire Bleriot, so if I have time I'll clean it up style wise and correct a few factual errors. But it really needs the hand of someone who knows far more of his life and has access to original sources and who is a native speaker of English perhaps. (Pas de délit à l'intention des écrivains français, bien sûr). (my apologies for forgetting to sign btw)--Phil Wardle (talk) 09:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs Complete Rewrite 

message: Agree with previous comment about dubious refs. I'm rather doubtful about the status of ref (10) (Spartacus) but very concerned about(9).  I tried to make this a live link and got to the site to be informed the article had been moved. I managed to find it but, after I put it in the new link, WP rejected the save, saying the site was blacklisted.  This ref was used four times in the article; it did not look convincing though it was right on the monoplane claim.  I've replaced the first of these with a definitely citeable source but the others remain and need sorting.TSRL (talk) 11:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've introduced two new refs which replace several instances of the two refs noted above.  They do still appear late in the piece; I'll try to find better.TSRL (talk) 15:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the most doubtful refs sorted.  The UK episode with ANEC needs work and I have a source; the post WWI history of the French company could do with a judicious expansion by an expert.TSRL (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Doe anyone recognise the type in the last image, just labelled Bleriot.jpg and without image info or caption?  There was a B. XI which had a similar vane, but it's different in some other ways.  Not sure the picture is much use without an i/d.TSRL (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A similar image  is labelled Bleriot XI Anzani May - June 1909 at  Just a guess but it appears that it was modified in June 1909 and was probably the channel crosser, albeit not in that configuration. MilborneOne (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That could well be right.  In Sanger's description of the XI (p.125), he says " ... tailplane and rudder surfaces but no fin, although in its original configuration the aircraft sported a triangular shaped fin attached to the cabane structure."  There is a picture of the first XI on p.10, with the extended wing and cabane fin and dated 16 Feb 1909 but, puzzlingly, showing no sign of any rear fin or rudder.  It's just possible a small vertical surface might hide behind the tailplane but it would have to be tiny, much smaller than that shown in Bleriot.jpg or the images you found. Do you think it's OK to caption the photo as "Bleriot XI in early 1909, showing the cabane fin which was discarded before the Channel flight" or similar, or is there too much OR in this i/d?TSRL (talk) 08:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidence points to your description being correct, dont see why you cant add it. MilborneOne (talk) 22:31, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done!TSRL (talk) 08:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphan image 

message: I have fixed the typo and capitalisation of Recherches aéronautiques. I  also made aéronautiques plural to agree with Recherches, since that is the more likely form, but it could also be Recherche aéronautique, i.e. singular. Maybe whoever has access to the cited book could check. Awien (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the typo fix.  Yes, you're right, it is plural "aéronautiques".  On the capitalization, what Sanger notes in full is that there was a sign outside with "L. Blériot Ing. E.C.P. Recherches Aéronautiques". I guess it's a question about the capitalization of adjectives.  I think we (UK) would write Institute of Aeronautical Research, for example, and Liron (French) writes la Société anonyme de Constructions Aéronautiques (the last Bernard company).  So I think A, not a; I'll leave you time to respond should you want to.TSRL (talk) 19:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The cap is fine. Usage has shifted on the subject of capitalisation in titles. Awien (talk) 20:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Independent aircraft builder 

message: Another thought: if you have a picture of the Blériot Memorial that someone hasn't adorned with bicycle handlebars, that would be good. Awien (talk) 20:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed - enough's enough. Awien (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memorial 

message: Is there any fairy out there who could add a clean photo of the memorial itself? Awien (talk) 14:47, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image request 

message: Most other sources give his date of death as August 2. What is the source for the date of August 1? Thisdaytrivia (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The London Times says "died at his home in Paris on Saturday as the result of a heart attack", the Saturday was 1 August. The French Wikipedia article fr:Louis Blériot has 1 August with some French sources to back it up. MilborneOne (talk) 18:44, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

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message: No it is not. The Blériot Trophy is a big thing, please check the statue on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUCiAzgMKx4 at 10:42.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EC1A:1510:453B:215E:5434:4CE6 (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:   The Blériot Trophy is a statuette 

message: I have just acquired a copy of the 1910 Annual Report of the French Chamber of Commerce in London. In it, they record that they invited M. Blériot to a dinner in his honour and the toasts and  his after dinner speech is recorded verbatim. The "biggest cheeses" are the French Ambassador and a Plenipotentiary.
Is it worth mentioning the dinner, and possibly other celebrations, fêting his success? ChrisLit (talk) 09:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting source