Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 13

message: Shouldn't the text "XMB Cross Bar" under the screenshot of the XMB interface be changed to "XMB Cross Media Bar" as XMB means Cross Media Bar? --213.66.62.73 21:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  XMB 

message: Nice catch.  I edited it to say Cross Media Bar now.
TeamOverload 18:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct

message: Is there any information about when the silver and chrome PS3 will be out?  And did the 100,000 units in Japan all come in black as well? FyiFoff FyiFoff 23:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PS3 colors

message: Where does this £375 figure come from? I've only heard "£350 or less" and even then the euro price is £335. Should it be changed?New*allusion 19:02, 10 October 2006 (GMT)
:I have also not heard anything about it being £375 and feel it should be removed until it is actually confirmed. Wilester 13:03, 19 October 2006 (GMT)
::I on the other hand have "heard" that the PS3 will retail for a minimum of £400, due to the blu-ray technology and its capability to play both movies and games on this media it is considered a "bargain" as the cheapest blu-ray player available retails at £800 and that only plays movies. A pretty pointless discussion until Sony even confirm their next release date will actually result in a release, let alone the launch price. Caseh 11:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SCEE previously stated that the 60GB unit would cost £425, while at E3 the 20GB and 60GB units were set at 499 and 599 Euros in the Eurozone, respectively. They've not set a price for the 20GB unit and it's not clear that it'll be appearing in Europe at all, particularly considering the ratio of 20GB:60GB units that have been sold in Japan.Sockatume 20:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  20GB PS3 UK price 

message: i read on the internet that the ps3 consumes 380 watts.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=356 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) .
:yes, it does. --Dreaded Walrus 01:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: under load. --24.7.86.143 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No that's just the PSU, not necessarily how much the hardware draws even at maximum load. The XBox 360 PSU says 5 amps at a max of 127V meaning it could draw over 600 watts, but the 360 reportedly only uses 160 watts. Therefore you cannot look at the 3 amps at a max of 127V on the PS3 to determine how much power the device consumes even at peak. And besides the voltage range is from 100-127V. So in Japan that equates to 300 (3A*100V) watts max. All you can say is the hardware may draw up to 300 watts but in reality it's bound to be anywhere between 100 & 200W and that's when it is running full tilt. Wait for someone to measure the power draw and cite the reference because that is the only way you will know what the thing consumes. --MagicMoose 13:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you take the Xbox 360's 500W (100V×5A=500W) divided by its actual consumption of 160W and assume the same maximum-realistic ratio for the PS3's maximum of 300W (100V×3A=300W), you get just 96W actual consumption for the PS3 (300÷3.125=96). Of course, assuming the same maximum-realistic ratio as the 360 isn't very accurate, but it's the closest estimate available at the moment. –Wulf 21:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just absurd.  Using that method is no more accurate than picking a random number between zero and 300.  You cannot make the assumption that Sony will use the same "ratio" as Microsoft.  Until it is actually measured, the best you can say (to quote from before) is "the hardware may draw up to 300 watts" and nothing more. Andrew 03:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If an exact wattage must be estimated, that seems to be the only way. However, I agree, it is most likely very inaccurate. I'm just giving a rough estimate, which suggests the PS3 will be towards the low end of the 0-300W range, at around 100W (which sounds about right irrelevant of my math). I never represented it as anything other than a rough estimate, so I'm not sure exactly why you jumped at me like that. –Wulf 05:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  watts 

message: There has been a lot of discussion about the a shortage in the supply of the PS3's on its launching date of 11/17. I saw this posted on the Google Maps Mania Blog - www.ps3seeker.com. It's a Google Maps mash-up of locations where the PS3 will be sold on opening dates, and also marks all of the midnight launch locations. Seems like it would be a useful tool for those trying to get their hands on a PS3.
Eugene a 22:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might look like a useful link but it hardly provides any information about the PlayStation 3. It also lists quite a few unverified locations. I think there are only 18 best buy stores actually getting one and this site lists many. Waste of time in my opinion. And in any case I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia. --gatoatigrado 06:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch Date Shortage

message: Whatever happened to that boomerang controller that the first pictures of the PS3 had? Dylanga 19:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See PlayStation 3 accessories -- it's linked to in the article. --Kamasutra 00:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Boomerang Controller 

message: Is there anywhere on this article to say that there will be NO upscaling for DVDs? --Jack Zhang 02:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: scratch that. DVDs WILL be upscaled. Link --Jack Zhang 00:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  PlayStation 1 and 2 games will not be upscaled, perhaps that's what you were thinking about. It would be a bit weird if there was no DVD upscaling. correct me if I'm wrong, but everything is upscaled if the output is more than the original resolution, it just depends on the scaling technique and/or the sampling / rendering algorithms. --gatoatigrado 10:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And that was a big bummer for me cause I was actually expecting it. --Jack Zhang 00:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I admit this is speculation, but I would not be surprised at all if games were scaled up once Sony starts using software emulation instead of the EE+GS chip. Using the old hardware probably doesn't provide them with much of an option, besides Bicubic interpolation image scaling. --gatoatigrado 18:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVDs will not be upscaled 

message: Comparison of seventh-generation game consoles is actually a rather fact oriented article. it should be added back unless there is a significant point against it, and a larger see also is often helpful in articles. thank you all. --24.7.86.143 03:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this was my comment, but it doesn't look like anyone cares, so I am adding it back in. --gatoatigrado 21:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is in the console template123wiki123 19:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comparison of consoles 

message: Looks like SONY digitalized the PS3 manual --Ragnarok Addict 16:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is already referencing parts of the manual. --gatoatigrado 18:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official User's Guide 

message: In the Hardware Summary section:
The PS3's 3.2 GHz Cell processor, developed jointly by Sony, Toshiba and IBM ("SIT"),
The correct acronym is "STI".
That is now fixed
TeamOverload 18:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typos 

message: Should we change the Europe Release date details to unconfirmed or something like that.  Sony has now stated that they can not confirm the EU launch will be in March 07: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745210p1.html
TeamOverload 18:25, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Hey, we've given the Xbox 360 one Christmas. I'm feeling generous, how about we give them another in Europe? In fact, let's give the Wii one too. And an Easter Break?" THIS IS NOT GOOD BUSINESS PRACTICE. Ahem. Yes, well added to the article. Sockatume 23:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  um, easter break shopping? lol. religious fanatic? just kidding no offense, I agree with your points. --gatoatigrado 01:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: None taken. Usually there are school holidays around then, I've seen quite a few big game launches in the period (Metroid Prime, for example, and MGS2 was originally lined up for it). Sockatume 16:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe Release Date Now Unconfirmed 

message: Someone had deleted the talk page and replaced it with Hi Cheese.  I have now restored it, but this NEEDS TO STOP.
TeamOverload 18:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone Vandalised It Again 

message: can somebody removes the "future product" label, as PS3 will be released in just about 2 hours (11 Nov, 7.00AM Japanese time) --147.197.190.40 19:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing the "future product label" 

message: I don't know if anyone here is getting a PlayStation 3, but I am interested how much access Linux has to the RSX. yellow dog is running on e17, which isn't accelerated (as far as I know), so that doesn't give any clues. Thanks. --gatoatigrado 01:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this thread  which talks about it.  Basically, I found that Terrasoft compiled YDL to acknowledge the cores but didn't get that far.  Probably once it comes out and people can get inside of it, we'll get more support.  Here's Terrasoft's supported area where that information would officially be released . LighthouseJ 22:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  from what the ars people are saying I guess someone will have to do some hacking to access the rsx, then it will probably be hard to get opengl to work with it. --gatoatigrado 18:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  request for information 

message: I think the PAL launch delays are because they must start making PAL PS3's, and the unconfirmed Europe release date would be due to sony wanting a lot more consoles ready for Europe then they did for Japan.
: Will the one released in Hong Kong the PAL version?  If so then that probably means HK will get all of the 
: first PAL units. 219.73.41.98 16:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hong Kong uses the PAL TV standard and the same electricity setup (including the same plug shape) as the UK, but it's not part of Blu-Ray Region 2. So it's anyone's guess really. Sockatume 17:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  launch delays 

message: according to BBC.co.uk, the price of 60GB PS3 is 60000 Yen. And please, could somebody removes "FUTURE PRODUCTS" label, because PS3 was released last night and it is no longer unreleased product--147.197.190.40 11:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still a future product because it has not come out in Europe, America, etc. And add the link to confirm heres one news.bbc.co.uk . London UK  (talk) 11:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  However, the product is "in the wild" (selling in Japan and consoles are already in the US) and cannot be changed now, hence why it's no longer a future product. LighthouseJ 21:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese 60GB price 

message: "SCEA will determine ten applicants to attend a Launch Party in Los Angeles on November 8, 2006. (). SCEA has also confirmed that New York City will be hosting a PlayStation 3 launch party which will be hosted by rapper artist Ludacris; joining him will be D-Nice and comedian Charlie Murphy.[7] SCEA also confirms that only the first 400 will be admitted to purchase PlayStation 3."
In the overall scheme of things - is this relevant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.174.230 (talk • contribs) .
: I moved it to marketing. --gatoatigrado 18:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: intro

message: In the article, it says that the GDDR3 is clocked at 550 MHz, which makes sense as that would be synced with the GPU at 550 Mhz, but this (Admittedly old) BBC article mentions it as 700 Mhz. Could we get a reliable citation for either the 550 or 700 Mhz figure? -FrYGuY 17:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GPU memory is often not clocked at an integer multiplier. The same is true with CPU memory, and for the most part it doesn't make a difference. --gatoatigrado 18:56, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This article also mentions the GDDR3 being clocked at 700MHz, so I'm gonna be bold. If anybody can come up with a reliable source saying it's at 550MHz, change it back. 'till then, it's 700 MHz. -FrYGuY 16:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory speed 

message: I just got off the phone with Sony America and the CSR told me that PS1 and PS2 games will play on the PS3 regardless of region code. This is in direct conflict with the current state of the "Backwards Compatibility" section of the main article. Does anyone else have any more information? Should this be changed on the main page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 147.140.12.128 (talk • contribs) .
:Sorry, but it can't be changed without a reliable source to confirm it. If we add your call to the article, it would be treated as original research. This matter should be clarified in the near future if, as you say, the press has been mistaken. -- ReyBrujo 19:38, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backwards Compatibility and region locking 

message: this should probably be placed in the article. 200 titles is huge, with big name games like final fantasy being involved. dposse 14:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How could it not qualify as fact?  If 200 games don't work, that is a fact, not an opinion.  It can be proven.  To quote the article on GameSpot.com, "Titles with problems include Final Fantasy XI, Silent Hill 2, Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams, and Tekken 5.  A Sony spokesperson told GameSpot 'We are aware that a select number of titles have compatibility issues but these problems will be fixed with a software upgrade that will be available in the near future.'  Sony will have approximately 400,000 PS3s available for the system's North American launch this Friday and the company expects the backward-compatibility issue to also affect those units."  The entire article is here: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161638.html?tag=latestnews;title;0By the way, I am under the impression that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and that it is our duty to report facts, even ones we don't like...right? 72.43.142.103 15:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no way to determine the "truth". Therefore, we rely on verifiability, and try to avoid undue weight. --gatoatigrado 17:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If Sony reps are acknowledging the problem and The New York Times, USA Today, and GameSpot are writing articles about it, then what other proof do you need? 72.43.142.103 18:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was not arguing, but I do think this could possibly be undue weight. I already revised the backwards compatibility section to be less detailed - we do not need to list every non-compatible game in the main article. The xbox has its own list, but Sony already has a database of titles. I will add that link soon; it's good because it can be updated as more software updates for the playstation 3 are released. --gatoatigrado 18:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding the backwards-compatibility problem, the current wording in the article is a bit sugar-coated.  If someone wants to edit it to be more cut-and-dry and factual, it would make the article more encyclopedic.  I don't care enough about a broken $500 toy to get into an argument about it. 72.43.142.103 18:44, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  um, I don't see what you mean. Sony always created the "technical requirements checklist" (at or soon after e3 2005) to excuse themselves from incomplete backwards compatibility. Compared to Microsoft's small fraction, which actually requires them to create a profile for each game, the PlayStation 3 is much better. If there is a "more factual" way that's fine. I don't see the point enumerating every single game that doesn't work though. If you would like to create a List of games backwards compatible with the PlayStation 3, that would be fine with me. But as I said, Sony already has a database. --gatoatigrado 20:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  glitches reported. 

message: More bad news for this piece of ****. -  http://au.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html Zabrak 02:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol now you hate the PS3. --gatoatigrado 02:58, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  If your TV doesn't support a specific resolution, expect to go low-res. 

message: Is there a specific reason why this article doesn't mention anything about the mass number of people camping out, planning to ebay, etc? To my knowledge there has never been a release of a product with such high demand where supply has been so short. Most stores around me already have at least a few people "camping" outside and some have over a hundred waiting customers. If the news/tech websites are any indication, my area isn't the only place like this. It really does appear to be a notable release. So again, is there a reason why this isn't included in the article? 71.125.145.244 04:28, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the speedy reply! 71.125.145.244 05:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Haha. If you want it in, then just put it in. Bobguy89 13:09, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll tell you what's messed up about the situation.  Thousands of people, such as myself, preordered the system a month ago and paid it off in full.  Now, tonight, I don't get one, because of the shortage of the first shipment.  That's generally not a problem, until I realized that there are Best Buys, Circuit Citys, Targets, and all other types of retailers that will be giving out 10-50 units tonight for sale.  Why don't the initial preorders get the system first, like the definition of preorder implies?  Instead, half of the preorders get filled, and the rest go to retailers.  Simply cutting back 50% of the systems going to retailers would fulfill the preorders.  But nope, I get to wait until possibly after Christmas, even though I bought the damn thing a month ago. Punchinelli 17:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Release madness 

message: I had heard that the PS3's Blu-ray will imprint a personal tag on any game you play so that the original PS3 used to play the disc will be the only PS3 that can play it ever, as a way of combating piracy. Is this true? --Kansolo 7:40am November 16, 2006 (PST)
Well ive heard that as well, and i believe that you can put the information onto a card or something so you can use it on a different ps3, also, Sam and Chase is gay on Wed-Fri.
Does any of you have any link to where it says "Blu-ray will imprint a personal tag on any game you play so that the original PS3"?? because i didnt hear that.........-= virus =- 0.o 16:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this in the article? it was probably vandalism. --gatoatigrado 17:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was never in the article to begin with.  I am sure that both users are refering to same matter that was brought in the twelfth talk page archive question "is it true you cannot rent PS3 games?"--Kenn Caesius 19:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I understand this restriction does apply for online play, which means you can't play the online mode of Used games, as for games that do not use online play I'm not sure. Dctcool 20:10, 17 November (AEST)
You can rent PS3 games, so no it does not. Plus, in order to do that the PS3 would likely need a Blu-ray burner, so I wouldn't worry.--DP462090 16:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blu-ray Question 

message: How come I got a very different price range for the PS3 in my local area? The article says it can range from $499 to $599, but my local stores say that the price is $700! Is this a mistake in the article, or are stores where I live trying to rip me off? :) semper fi — Moe 22:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The prices are pre-tax, if the price listed includes tax then that could explain it. Have to be quite a bit of tax though. Sockatume 22:44, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Some stores are forcing people to buy a bundle package; the ps3 and some games as well. Here's an example, although it's much more expensive than what you quoted. Ask the people at the store exactly what you get for that $700. 71.125.158.204 23:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think thats bad you should see the price in here: $1,361.28 with no extras or anything but I'm guessing it's because the PS3 isn't even supposed to be sold here.--195.229.242.88 12:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Price of PS3

message: According to media create, PS3 sold 81,639 upon it's launch in Japan. Which numbers should be used, the ones already in the article or these?--Psa- 11:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a link to the info. http://www.m-create.com/jpn/s_ranking.html --Psa- 11:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: sorry, I accidentally deleted it. I will put it back in. Next time include a reference. Please see template:cite web if you need help. --gatoatigrado 19:07, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 sales numbers 

message: Seriously, we have to talk about this, I mean i saw 70 rush, push, shove, fight to try to grab 10! Now if people talk about how hundreds of girls ran to see the beatles, or buy their albums, why don't we talk about the hundreds of people rushing to buy the PS3? Oh I take it's worth mentioning when talking about music, but not VIDEOGAMES?! Zabrak 16:37, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ~*~*~On the news today it shows the near riots in stores due to the shortages of PS3~*~*~ 

message: :Mmmh, whats the odds that the 15,000 dollar guy doesn't pay up...
You think that's amazing? Take a look at this:  :). Although if you look at the edit history all the bids past $5000 are unregistered users... --Yarnalgo 06:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  expensive ebay console 

message: Hey guys, is SONY going to launch an updated version of the PSX with the cell proccesor, bluetooth and the Blu ray disc reader?
:Nothing planned and I wouldn't expect it. The PS3 does pretty much everything the PSX did, except act as a PVR, so there's no need. Sockatume 16:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new PSX? 

message: I bought a ps3 controller so I could play games on my powerbook g4 (which has integrated bluetooth). I cannot figure any way to make this lump of plastic do anything as either a bluetooth device, or as a usb device. I would like to warn anyone who has not already bought one of this fact, but I also do not want to disrespect wikipedia's policy on original research. So I'm asking for help finding a citatation. 68.158.174.168 15:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: USB and Bluetooth are just device interface standards. You still need device drivers for the controller to talk to the OS, and in the case of the PS3 controller, there isn't one for anything but the PS3 at this point. The majority of games console peripherals are like this so it's not really worth mentioning. Sockatume 16:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a game machine controller using a propretary connection method is not news. My point is that there is a Human Interface Device (HID) standard for each of Bluetooth and USB, and had Sony elected to use them, I already have device drivers that would make the controller work. The fact that other manufacturers do not support HID is a non-sequitor because other manufacturers' controllers do not talk over standardized interfaces. The ps3 controller is not a bluetooth/USB game controller, it is a proprietary game controller that happens to connect over Bluetooth and/or USB. You may think me a fool for expecting something advertized as using bluetooth to fully comply with that standard, but I still think the fact that it does not is worth noting in wikipedia. Segers_J 17:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other manufacturers' controllers do use standardised interfaces: the Wii uses Bluetooth, the original XBox used USB (albeit with a proprietary plug shape) and the 360 uses common-or-garden USB for all its wired accessories. Nevertheless, Microsoft's own 360 wired controller (which they're pushing as a standardised PC games controller for Vista) uses non-standard drivers. Like I say, it's not notable as the vast majority of console accessories, whether they connect over USB or wirelessly, are not intended for use on the PC. Sockatume 18:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no information on whether the Wii controller is or is not HID compliant. The Proprietary plug on the original Xbox makes my point, not yours. I have to concede the point for the Xbox 360 controller. However, I don't see the harm in substituting the words "over a non-standard Bluetooth connection" for "over Bluetooth" if an appropriate citation can be found. I am not interested in taking out my frustration by some long winded diatribe condemning Sony for failure to live up to my expectations in a forum that aims for a neutral point of view, but the information is relevant because this generation of game machines is the first to use well known standard connection methods and my proposed edit would make plain to non-techies that this controller won't work with their computer, phone, or whatever with basically no cost in readability. In summary, I take your argument as "Everybody already expects this behavior." And my argument in a nutshell is "Not everyone expects this behavior, and the cost of warning them is insignificant." Have I misrepresented your point? Segers_J 21:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a cost associated with including any information in the article: one of the Wikipedia's goals is that its articles be brief and to the point. That's why, for example, it doesn't include IGN's article about what happened when they tried to use the PS3 controller on a PC by USB (recognised as a HID but inoperative). It's interesting, but trivial. One user's assumption is not worth putting a warning in the article. If this becomes serious enough to warrant media attention, then it'll get included. (Tech quibble: It's a standard Bluetooth connection, it's just the device on the other end doesn't use the generic Bluetooth-HID device driver. I'm not sure Bluetooth-HID even supports analogue joystick and feedback, let alone tilt sensing, so using it for the PS3 controller was probably never going to be a possibility) Sockatume 21:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exactly, it is a standard Bluetooth connection, just not a HID-compliant device. I think that would only be notable if a special mouse was not HID compliant (e.g. Microsoft decides to release mice and keyboards that are not in the HID class so they will only be used with "Windows Vista"), and only in that article. Perhaps a minor word in PlayStation accessories, but even that is unwarranted in my opinion. Someone will probably get it to work with Linux, if TerraSoft does not already have a driver. --gatoatigrado 23:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "bluetooth" and "USB" controllers do not respect HID standards, can anyone find citations? 

message: Is there any chance someone will take a self-taken photo of their retail PS3 for use on Wikipedia? --Jack Zhang 01:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-taken photos of a retail PS3? 

message: http://www.isuppli.com/news/default.asp?id=6919
"PlayStation 3 Offers Supercomputer Performance at PC Pricing, iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis Reveals
November 16, 2006
From delivery delays, to technology hurdles, to missed production targets, to cancelled pre-orders, to an apparently exorbitant price tag—we’ve all read the bad news regarding Sony Corp.’s much-anticipated new PlayStation 3 video-game console.
Now for the good news: iSuppli Corp.’s dissection reveals the PlayStation 3 is an engineering masterpiece that sets a new high mark for computing price/performance—even when considering it is more expensive than its nearest rival, the Xbox 360 from Microsoft Corp.
“With the PlayStation 3, you are getting the performance of a supercomputer at the price of an entry-level PC,” said Andrew Rassweiler, teardown services manager and senior analyst for iSuppli.
Table 1 below presents iSuppli’s estimate of major component and subsystem cost drivers for the PlayStation 3. 
The combined materials and manufacturing cost of the PlayStation 3 is $805.85 for the model equipped with a 20Gbyte Hard Disk Drive (HDD), and $840.35 for the 60Gbyte HDD version, according to iSuppli’s Teardown Analysis service’s preliminary estimate of expenses in the fourth quarter. This total doesn’t include additional costs for elements including the controller, cables and packaging.
:isn't this just an advert for 'isupply' someone please remove.
::I disagree, if people think "shortage" is important to discuss, or violence on launch then it's equally important to discuss why. The economics behind selling something at a loss isn't very common and causes all sorts of anomalies. Given that Sony will never confirm the actual production costs of a PS3, analysis from experts presented to the reader with reminders that the figures are only estimates are important. This is obviously just my opinion. I am also not very familiar with iSuppli or if they really are experts, but the reasoning seems sound from what I've read. Esper256 17:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another reference 

message: Seeing that the ps3 has been out for some time shouldnt there be a more up to date number of units sold instead of the 88k wikipedia has  that is from the japanese release date? Ive searched for how many units have been sold in the us and can only find that 88k were sold in japan on its release.
Paulm27 01:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Units Sold

message: Somebody completely erased the article.
:it's been protected. dposse 16:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article erased

message: Nov 20, 2006 15:03
Taco Bell(R) Offers Tacos for Life for PlayStation 3
Company Will Then Donate PlayStation 3 to a Boys and Girls Club Teen Center
IRVINE, Calif. --(Business Wire)-- Nov. 20, 2006 Now here's an offer to play with: Taco Bell announced today that it is offering a lifetime of Taco Bell(R) food ($12,500 in Taco Bell Bucks) in exchange to the first person who agrees to trade his or her new PlayStation 3 Game Console. Taco Bell will then donate the next generation game console to the Stanton teen center of the Boys & Girls Club. Taco Bell and its Taco Bell Foundation supports teen programs nationwide through the Boys & Girls Clubs of America.
"The PlayStation 3 is on every teen's holiday wish list," said Bob Fulmer, Executive Director, Taco Bell Foundation. "That's why we're offering one lucky individual tacos for life in exchange for giving Boys & Girls Club teens a gift that will keep them in the game."
The tacos will be awarded in the form of $12,500 in TACO BELL(R) Bucks, redeemable at participating Taco Bell(R) locations. The party exchanging the PlayStation 3 is solely responsible for payment of all taxes, income and otherwise, and should consult with his/her tax adviser. Interested PlayStation 3 owners should send their name, email and phone number to tacobellnews@tacobell.com. The first person to respond, based on the time the email is received, and then send their PlayStation 3 will be awarded the Taco Bell Bucks. Offer expires December 1, 2006 at 6:00 p.m. PST.
: Please sign your comments with four tildes as explained in the wiki policy. Also, as stated next to the "save page" button when you post, please "Do not copy text from other websites without permission. It will be deleted." Bourgeoisdude 22:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of interest, Taco Bell/Boys and Girls club offers "Tacos for Life" 

message: I think that "...Most of the public thought that the PS3 sucks, and the Wii would win the nextgen race, as was true. The Wii did win and the PS3 failed misserably." Should be removed.
: Yes, it should...I personally have been very skeptical of Sony as of late, and have no plans to buy their consoles ever, but making generalized statements like that should always be avoided, especially as one could argue that "most of the public" actually does not even care about game console releases anyway. Bourgeoisdude 22:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit? 

message: The article on the PlayStation 3 console has been changed to the simple message "PS2 sucks", and it has been this way all day today. The current status of the article appears to be semi-protected, but the immediately prior version, to which it should be reverted, is fully protected, which means that I can't revert it (but which ought to have meant that the vandalism could not have happened in the first place). I'm afraid I wasn't able to follow the procedure to request protection/unprotection myself. Quadibloc 01:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism Again 

message: What are the most important things about a console?
It's hardware, it's software, etc
According to this article it seems like the most important things to a console are its hardware, software the company known as eBay and muggings.
The fact that many people were aware of the economics behind supply and demand and selling something for a loss and that a ton of consoles were put on eBay is a description on the launch, which is a topic actually important to the console. Same with violence on launch. It's a property of the launch, not the most important aspect of the PS3. Also the company is eBay not Ebay. Esper256 17:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many main headings 

message: Have read several requests above for a self-taken photo of it.. Easier said than done.. This console is so reflective of all its surroundings.. Placed it on a blue towel alone with no cords or such. Free for use.. I still have the originals if anyone is interested. These are cropped down for size reasons.
Pictures can be seen here:
Picture 1
Picture 2
Picture 3  Cjpluta 05:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and don't crop them so much.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.102.36.82 (talk • contribs) .
You should provide full resolution photos, Wikipedia can generate smaller thumbnails of your pictures without modifying the file. --Jack Zhang 02:03, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Self-Taken Photos

message: Someone has just compiled QEMU to run Windows XP on Playstation 3. Indeed, the video released on Google Video shows how fast this emulator can emulate the x86 architecture somehow fast enough to run  the japanese version of Windows XP. However, it´s seems that using QMEU to run Windows programs on a Playstation 3 can´t be more heavy than old or simple games, or using software like Microsoft Office.85.240.135.51 19:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide a link? Ceros 20:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not really exciting enough to add to the article though. It's a Linux app, running completely as expected (on Linux). Mac users have been running Windows in emulation for years. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 21:24, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Running Windows XP on Playstation 3 

message: Is that a reliable source? Valoem talk 07:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not reliable.  Unless Sony releases the data first, NPD's press release next month will be the soonest that we will have launch figures for North America.  Dionyseus 07:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units Sold: http://www.nexgenwars.com/? 

message: Suggestion: ADd to the article that the HDMI output of the PS3 is only capable with HDCP-enabled TVs and monitors. I tried using an HDMI to DVI cable to connect to my computer monitor; I found out later my monitor wasn't HDCP-enabled. An important fact to note, I believe. SpikeX2 07:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should only apply to HDCP content, like Blu-Ray, surely? They've not gone and applied it to games as well have they? Sockatume 16:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I haven't seen anything indicating that the PS3 is HDCP compliant (or that it is not).  Furthermore, in my opinion, it would seem that since the PS3 is capable of running other operating systems (i.e. Linux with a HD video ripping program?) it may not be eligible for HDCP, per the standard's strict guidelines.  The games, surely, would have no need to make use of HDCP because Digital Rights Management is not an issue for the video/audio output of a game (the game itself, maybe, but not simply the video/audio that HDCP protects)  A definitive, reliable source would be helpful. Andrew 04:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HDCP 

message: I think it should be noted that no games currently released, and none currently in production, will play in 1080p.  So far the only 1080p is a tech demo of Gran Turismo HD and I think one or two more tech demos...  It is said that they cannot get a good framerate at that resolution.  With PS3 boasting 1080p it should be noted that only blu-ray movies will play in 1080p, not games.  Thesaddestday 04:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thus far!  XBox 360's games didn't start out at top quality either.  (I believe "Gears of War" is the first game to really push the 360's graphics).  Andrew 04:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to ps3.ign.com/articles/747/747413p1.html, Roughly half of the PlayStation 3's launch software doesn't support the 1080p resolution that Sony has been so highly touting; In other words, half the launch titles support it. So, your statement can't be included in the article unless you find an article as new as this one (2006-11-22) stating none of the games can be played at 1080p. -- ReyBrujo 04:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops ReyBrujo you are right.  I inverted a date of an article so my mistake...  also, IG, you're actually wrong.  Yes it's true a vast majority of 1080p sets out can't accept 1080p over HDMI, but there are products out that can.  The new JVC 1080p sets and I believe the new Sony SXRD sets can accept 1080p over HDMI.  Thesaddestday 10:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

text: About 6 months ago I bought a Samsung LN-S4051D 40" LCD HDTV.  At that link, you'll see the TV should accept 1080 (interlaced and progressive) signals on each of the 2 HDMI inputs.  I've never ran this TV in either 1080 mode yet for lack of a high-def source but the site clearly says to me I can expect to run 1080p through HDMI if I had a PS3 right now.  From what you've said, I've come to two conclusions: either your friend is wrong or the manufacturer, Samsung is misrepresenting this product.  I'm tending to think this product is on the level and your argument is incorrect.  Do you have any support to prove your position besides second-handle knowledge or heresay? LighthouseJ 01:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Err, from what I've seen several TVs don't support 1080p through component. I have yet to see a 1080p TV that works through component but not HDMI. Regardless, AFAIK the PS3 supports both varieties of cables, so what does it matter? -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all TV's with HDMI can accept 1080p signals through HDMI, that is why there are a lot of HDTV's that need to use component or VGA for 1080p.  It has to do with the version of HDMI, and with the latest updates in the technology HDMI is turning into the main connection for 1080p...  As far as other connections, analog for 1080p works but isn't as impressive as digital.  Thesaddestday 05:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No 1080p games 

message: Hi, i have a question
Do you think that a HD Loader will be launched for the PS3?
Of coufse, i´m aware that we would need a higher capacity hard disk (maybe 1TB, just like the ones that Dell is using), do you think it would be possible?
:Please post questions not directly related to the article to Wikipedia:Reference Desk, in whatever section is relevant. To the question: everything is cracked eventually.  -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:22, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HD Loader for PS3 

message: I am a bit uncomfortable with the order of country in the pricing box. Japanese is number one, that is fine, but why United Kingdom is number 2. We should sort it out according to the release date.--w_tanoto 22:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  order of pricing 

message: If the official name of the PlayStation 3 is PLAYSTATION 3, shouldn't that be the title? I knew the previous generations were spelled in the former format. If those consoles' titles were named appropriately, shouldn't this one? Mario1021 03:40, 28 November 2006
:It has been discussed in the past. While PLAYSTATION 3 appears to be the official name, it is too disrupting for Wikipedia per our naming conventions. I think there was even a poll in which consensus was to keep the PlayStation syntax instead of Playstation or PLAYSTATION. -- ReyBrujo 03:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title? 

message: So the Australian Price is AU$999 which under the USD column says US$680 but AU$999 is closer US$780. I tried to edit it but someone reverted my edit because I didn't cite a source, I don't see any of the other conversions citing a source, I don't see who ever put $680 citing a source. Put AU$999 in any currency converter and you can cite that as your source. Is there a convention I'm not following?
:Whoops, I think that was me, I must've misread the diff as a modification of the AU$ price instead of the US$ price. Feel free to re-add. Sockatume 04:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Price 

message: Apparently, there is an issue where the 1080i output is broken. Apparently, if the PS3 detects the TV is not capable of a 720p output downrezzes to a 480p output, disregarding 1080i functionality. Here's a link: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/15/720p-ps3-games-downscale-on-older-hd-sets/ . Sony has acknowledged the issue and originally said they are working on a firmware patch. They have since retracted this statement: http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/10807/ Should this be added in? --Tomwchow 00:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1080i output issues 

message: A recent study by the Folding@Home distributed computing project is harnessing the power of the Cell processor found in the PS3 to study protein folding.
More info can be found here.
72.201.34.105 08:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 used by scientists and helpful gamers to cure Alzheimer's!