Talk:Football/Archive 3

message: Well done grant for restoring the order of the article. Mintguy (T) 15:21, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronology 

message: I think that as Americans, New Zealanders and Australians read this page, the title The Football Association should include (soccer) in the title as school children in those countries may not know that "Association Football" is the formal name for the beautiful game. As it stands there is no mention of soccer in the table of contents. Philip Baird Shearer 12:10, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The title of that section is called "The Football Association" because it is about the organization called "The Football Association" and not about the sport of Association football. When the FA was founded the word soccer didn't exist and there was no such distinction about there being a speciific sport called soccer. The goal of the Football Association was not to create a distinct game separate from other football games, it was to bring together the disparate rules that existed at the time. Ther other games only existed in formal terms with the creation of specific organizations decicated to following a set of rules distinct from the FA rules. Mintguy (T) 12:34, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Title for Association Football section 

message: No history of Association Football is complete without a mention of FIFA and its role in developing the game. A brief mention of history of relationship between FIFA and the home unions should also be included. BTW the start of the FIFA history page is quite elegent and the style would improve this page
:The contemporary history of football spans more than 100 years. It all began in 1863 in England, when rugby football and association football branched off on their different courses and the world's first football association was founded - The Football Association in England. Both forms of football stemmed from a common root and both have a long and intricately branched ancestral tree
Philip Baird Shearer 12:10, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is intended to be an overview of all sports called football and their shared history. The history of Association Football as a specific sport with official rules begins in 1863 and this is the point at which the article ceases to concentrate on that thread of the history of football. The history of Rugby, the split in the codes, and the development of American football and Canadian football, neccesitate some further detail in those areas, but it is not intended that they should go into these specific areas in great detail. That specific history should be elsewhere. Mintguy (T) 12:49, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Fifa?

message: Why  lumped Rugby with North American football? Rugby should be under one section with subsections on Rugby Union and Rugby League.  At the moment the events may be in chronological order but most people who wish to know the history of Rugby will find it annoying to have 28+ lines of North American football history in the middle of the history of Rugby.Philip Baird Shearer 12:10, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. Mintguy (T)
I think that for clarity integrating and separating the current Rugby text in this article from North American Football (NAF) is desirable. After all the the NAF section not only mentions Rugby but FA rules as well, it also includes dates which pre-date and postdate both! Does anyone have any objections to that? Philip Baird Shearer 19:08, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: This is an important point. In these early years, some teams played various codes interchangebly. When association football became professional in 1885 many clubs opted to drop playing rugby because it was more lucrative to stick to the asociation code. Mintguy (T) 20:31, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Rugby

message: At the moment Rugby is a mess (two interpretations edited in at the same time).
#Should the article be by chronology and then code:
#* Australian Rules Football
#* The Football Association
#* The Rugby Football Union
#* American and Canadian football
#* The split in rugby football
#* The reform of American football
#* The two rugby codes diverge further
#* Gaelic football
#or have one section per code with chronology of events for that code in those sections:
#* Australian Rules Football
#* Football Association
#* Rugby Football
#* American and Canadian football
#* Gaelic football
By Chronology
* Mintguy (T) 20:21, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poll for modern codes sub-headings to be by code or cronology