Talk:Charlotte, North Carolina/Archive 1

message: Notes on today's Charlotte edits:
-- Reverted to "... provides the region's economic and cultural heartbeat." In terms of style, the word "lifeblood" is a cliche in this context; additionally, "lifeblood" makes an inexact metaphor here.
-- Removed these redundancies:
"... currently under construction ..."
"... tallest building between Philadelphia and Atlanta on the East Coast."
"... would later become ..."
-- Recast for clarity: "This crossroads, which sat atop a long rise in the Piedmont landscape, would become the heart of modern downtown Charlotte. The streets are Trade and Tryon, the latter named for William Tryon, a royal governor of colonial North Carolina."
-- Restored original casting of lead sentence, for style purposes. ("The Queen City ...") Accurate factual presentation in an encyclopedia can be achieved without dry and repetitive prose. - Semolina Pilchard 15:51, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Semolina Pilchard]] 

message: "Residents of Charlotte enjoy a quasi-Mediterranean climate"
I don't think that before the advent of air conditioning too many people would use the word enjoy when talking about the climate of the Southeast in the summertime.  But at any rate - the humidity in that area is way to high to be considered Mediterranean, ore even "quasi-Mediterranean."  The proper designation would be humid subtropical, on the cusp of humid continental.  The Mediterranean climate article informs us that:  "They are never on the east coasts of continents."
--Blackcats 04:05, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and corrected this section.  --Blackcats 05:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediterranean climate??!!! 

message: Please stop removing the references to Lowe's Motor Speedway and Concord Mills in the University City blurb.  The Charlotte Observer printed a map of University City one time showing that University City included Harrisburg, Concord Mills, and Lowe's.  It gives people who aren't familiar with the area a better idea of the area.  Thanks. Wikipedianinthehouse 19:05, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  University City 

message: Throughout this page, I am seeing conflicting updated estimates on Charlotte's proper and metropolitan populations. We need to come to some kind of consensus. Dinobrya 09:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population Estimates 

message: I have no problem with the substantial section devoted to Panthers, Bobcats, etc. Should there not also be a similar-sized separate section discussing the cultural overview of the city? The funding structure, i.e., Arts & Science Council? The CSO, ballet, theatre groups, gallery scene, development of NODA, so on and so forth?
:Culture in Charlotte?  You could have fooled me!  --205.188.117.68 23:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why a whole subheading for sports but not culture? 

message: Why was poverty info removed?  I'm going to replace it.
LegCircus 22:15, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  why was poverty info removed? 

message: I am absolutely DUMBFOUNDED to see no skyline pictures on this page! Charlotte has a very photogenic skyline; I would imagine the citizens of the city would want it showcased. Akhenaton06 12:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No skyline pics? 

message: Many of the other large cities have at least some problem with crime, and many of their wiki articles touch on that point.  What about Charlotte, does it have a crime problem?  Wouldn't it be useful to take note of it in the article?  J.B.  2/07/2006
:According to local radio, it does. --Golbez 19:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some information on crime in Charlotte pulled from the Uniform Crime Reports.  It seems Charlotte is a bit high for cities in it's category (cities 500,000 - 999,999 pop) but not totally out of line.  Feel free to re-write and re-organize this section as it's probably a bit dry.  If anyone has any ideas for how to better present this information, go ahead and fix it up or let me know and I'll give it a try.  I pulled all the crime info (National and Charlotte, as well as Raleigh which I'm going to add this section to as well) and put it in spreadsheet, so if you need some numbers but don't want to dig through the UCR to find it, let me know.  Treznor 21:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime 

message: I'm not the one who removed the nicknames on May 12, 2006 but the revert back to previous is poorly written and inaccurate so that shouldn't stay either.  I'm about to make the following changes but I decided to put my rationale here.
A crown logo appears on many of the city's street signs, perhaps accounting for its nickname, "the Queen City". ' - it was already mentioned in the paragraph above that its nickname is the Queen City.  This is redundant.  The fact that the crown symbol is on the streetsigns is of little significance at all but more importantly it is just ridiculous to write that the city got it's nickname from symbols on the streetsigns.  (As if it were an unknown mystery how the symbols got on the signs) It is positively known where the city got it's nickname and that should be added to the fist mention of Queen City.
Other nicknames include the "Hornet's Nest" and the "Chicago of the South". It has also been called the "San Francisco of the South," because it served as the center of the popular gold-mining industry until the Gold Rush of 1849 attracted miners to California.  - Hornets Nest is well known and once again, the stroy behind it should be added.  As for "Chicago of the South" or "San Francisco of the South", I've lived here for many many years and have never ever heard either of these phrases before in my life.  The gold rush is extremely important bt it is already covered in the history section.
::Fair enough & makes sense to me.  I had just been trying to clean up the mess that had been there in the prior edit (before the original deletion) -- a lot of the phrasing was awkward/odd.  Had no idea as to the accuracy of the names used.--Grinning Fool 01:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THough now that I re-read what I had put in there to clean up I see some cut and paste material that I thought I'd trimmed out... --Grinning Fool 01:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: There are two other conversations on population but they're old so I started a new one.  The estimates of 
seem high to me but citations were needed and here they are.
City Population is 651,101 according to the official city website .  According to Charlotte Chamber of Commerce: Charlotte is 648,139, Mecklenburg is 850,178, Charlotte MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) is 1,594,799, and Metro Region is 2,371,645.
So there are the stats but the only question is "what is a metro area" as listed in the article?  Is the metro area the Metropolitan Statistical Area or the Metro Region.  Most people define "metro" as the official MSA and not the larger "metro region" which includes 13  counties - most of which don't even border Mecklenburg.  Further supporting this statement, if Charlotte Metro Area really had 2,533,000 as the article currently states, it would be listed as #20 in this article which ranks the top metro areas in the US 
I switched the article back to 1,594,799 as I believe that is the number that should be there based on these facts. Please use this area if you wish to rebut. Fife Club 14:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again I added the Combined Statistical Area. The Census felt it appropriate to give Greater Charlotte a CMSA population and I do not see why we cannot use both the CMSA and MSA. Several city pages use the CMSA as their metro population. I think it is extremely reasonable to make the public aware of both estimates. Dinobrya 19:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine to me.  I just know that other people were debating the stats (thinking that they were both "metro" stats) so I dug out the references.  As long as we're careful distinguish the differences between the stats I think it's okay to use both types.  Fife Club 14:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 2006 

message: There's no disputing that this is an article on the city of Charlotte.  Not an article on the Charlotte area (or metro, region, or other synonym.)  Reinforcing this fact, see the example that there are articles 
for Minneapolis and St. Paul plus a seperate article for Twin Cities (the greater region beyond the  boundries of either city). So my question is why do we have so much content for things that are not in Charlotte?  Belmont Abbey is listed as a college in this Charlotte article when it's neither in Charlotte or Mecklenburg County.  And something that makes no sense to me at all, University of Phoenix is listed as a Charlotte college when it's an online university with no physical location here.  And going further, somebody just added Gaston County Schools to the list of public schools in Charlotte.  WTF?
I don't believe this sort of stuff belongs in an article on the city of Charlotte and I'd like to remove "stuff" like that.  Can I get a consensus on what others think on this issue, and/or any existing Wikipedia policies that may apply here?  Whatch'all think?  
P.S.  My gut tells me that sports may an exception to this "boundry" rule (Lowe's Motor Speedway (in Concord), Charlotte Knights (in Fort Mill, SC)) but I can't quite put my finger on a justification for why sports should be okay while schools and other things wouldn't be.
:Sports are different because of the naming issue. You would go to New York City and expect a mention of the New York Giants - even though they play in New Jersey. Likewise, until a few years ago, the speedway was Charlotte Motor Speedway. I say nuke all the other stuff. --Golbez 05:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City (boundries of this article) 

message: I removed the list of "Notable Residents" because it only makes Charlotte look even more pathetic artistically and intellectually for a city of its size and age.  I copied/pasted it here to expand until it reaches a halfway respectable status; better to just leave it out until a few people who are actually notable can appear on the list.  --64.12.116.197 16:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to chime in that I agree.  "Former American Gladiator"?  WTF.  There's got to be a threshold of notability (it that's a word).  The only slam dunk here is Billy Graham.  Fife Club 18:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlotte's "Notable Residents" 

message: * Clay Aiken, American Idol runner-up and singer (from Raleigh, NC)
* Fantasia Barrino, American Idol winner and singer (from High Point, NC)
* Jonathan Byrne, former American Gladiator
* Chelsea Cooley, Miss USA 2005
* Ric Flair, legendary pro wrestling champion (but not born there)
* Harry Golden, author
* Jeff Gordon, NASCAR driver (but not born there)
* Billy Graham, evangelist
* Rick Hendrick, NASCAR team owner
* Sharon Lawrence, Hollywood actress
* Omar Tyree, author
* Carson McCullers, author
:I just want to chime in that I agree.  "Former American Gladiator"?  WTF.  There's got to be a threshold of notability (it that's a word).  The only slam dunk here is Billy Graham.  Fife Club 18:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Residents

message: Ok, is it downtown Charlotte or uptown Charlotte (referring to the area with the skyscrapers)... or are those two different parts of the city? If it's uptown, then all the "Downtown" words should be changed. Are there any Charlotte locals who know for sure? I know in my nearby town of Lexington, NC the center of the city is called "uptown". --TinMan 00:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Charlotte, Uptown and Downtown are exacty the same place.  They are definitely not two different places (like in NYC and other places).  For as long as there's been a city the area has always been known as Downtown.  In the mid to late 80's city officials began a campaign to rebrand the downtown area as Uptown, thinking that it sounded more upscale and desirable.  Both terms are technically acceptable but the city has done a good job of consistantly branding the Uptown name for well over a decade so the Uptown is more commonly used by residents.  It should however be noted although city-financed signage says Uptown, the Federal government has never given a damn about local branding campaigns and refuses to change signs on Interstate 77 (and possibly 277) that still direct drivers to "Downtown". Fife Club 13:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uptown or Downtown 

message: Is North Charlotte, North Carolina part of Charlotte or is this a separate city?  This may need to be a AFD nom. Morphh 02:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's part of the city, and I agree and will do the AFD for you if you want. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 02:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it! :-) Morphh 03:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a redirect may work better Morphh 03:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. The fact that I always think of deletion first probably says something not so good about me. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 03:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Charlotte 

message: I've listed this article for the Good Article drive for Wikiproject North Carolina. Morphh 16:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, please take the time to vote for North Carolina on U.S. Collaboration of the Week. Please Vote!!! We need more votes! Thanks, Morphh 16:42, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Drive 

message: I removed the fair use logos in the sports section. The use of those logos violates rules #8 of the fair use criteria. If you have any questions, please let me know.--NMajdan•talk 22:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: What a joke, just another example of post-9/11 hysteria running rampant. Fox News recently ran a story showing the millions of American federal tax dollars spent on convicting a few harmless Lebanese people living in Charlotte of "terrorist activities," accusing them of being a "Hezbollah cell" and supplying money to 'terrorists,' planning 'terrorist attacks,' being 'Islamic radicals,' etc.; a few federal prosecutors in NC ended up sentencing a Lebanese-American man to 155 years in prison for smuggling cigarettes from North Carolina to Michigan.  Other people he was associated with received years in prison and were subsequently deported.
:Here's some quotes from the 'report':
::"One of those operations is the subject of 'Smokescreen: Hezbollah Inside America,' an exhaustive FOX News report about a Hezbollah cell that was operating for several years in Charlotte, North Carolina. FOX followed the many tentacles of this cell, which extended far beyond Charlotte — to Michigan, to the West Coast, to Canada and to Beirut, Lebanon, where most of the members were from. FOX News spent months tracking this story to all these places and more." 
::"An FBI agent who refused to allow the taunts and skepticism of his colleagues to dissuade him from tracking the connections that linked a group of Lebanese illegals operating in Charlotte to terror cells in Canada and Beirut. An alert sheriff’s deputy, working part time at a tobacco wholesaler in Charlotte, who spent his own time tracking down a suspicious group of Arabic-speaking customers who were trading wads of cash for tons of cheap tobacco. A young prosecutor willing to bet his reputation on a case that had to leapfrog over terrorist laws that were either antiquated or hadn’t even been written yet."
::"While arrests were made in this case a year before 9/11, the case was tried just after 9/11, and that brought with it a whole new set of questions that we examine."
::"According to the U.S. government, Harake was a military commander in Beirut and received money from Mohammad Hammoud, Cohen's client. Harake was the alleged conduit connecting the Charlotte cell to the military wing of Hezbollah. Cohen argued that Harake was just a used car salesman, who ran a humanitarian aid group for Hezbollah. But the night before the assassination, it appeared Harake knew that something was up. He called Cohen to say he couldn't make the interview the next day. "Things are about to get ugly," a nervous Cohen told me after speaking with the sheik."
SOURCES: , ,   --172.145.6.40 10:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well known in the region for some time, kinda weird it took this Fox News story for anyone else to hear about it. Yeah, there was supposedly a group of people in Concord, North Carolina (just outside Charlotte) who bought large amounts of cigarettes, drove them out of state (to Michigan, I believe) and profited off the tax differential, then sent that money back to the Middle East. However, since it didn't happen in Charlotte itself, I can't see how this is relevant to the article. --Golbez 11:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[Hezbollah]] Cell" in Charlotte? 

message: The shopping section is a list of malls replete with flowery advert-like descriptions.  No other major city has a list of its malls any more than it has a list of its McDonalds.  A city of 600,000 people doesn't need to mention these things.  If there are no objections, I'm removing the section.--Loodog 05:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In most cities, you'd be right. However, in Charlotte, many neighborhoods are named after, or chiefly referred to by, their shopping centers. SouthPark in particular, Eastland, the Arboretum... however, I agree that we don't need this list, as only three of the malls mentioned are actually in Charlotte, and they can easily be merged into "Neighborhoods". Merge the SouthPark section into the SouthPark neighborhood section, maybe move Northlake into that section, definitely move Eastland there (and in fact, it already is), and give Concord Mills an honorable mention as one of the chief tourist sites in the region, five feet from Charlotte's border. --Golbez 14:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The ones that are listed now :)  --TinMan 06:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malls? 

message: It does not really make sense to me to leave Eastland and SouthPark malls on the list. Besides articles on other cities don't even have a section for shopping malls. It makes more sense to delete the section entirely, and list major shopping centers on the Charlotte MSA article. Just an opinion. --Cardozo 17:09, February 2007 (UTC)
:I could really go either way. I don't know if we've reached a consensus yet or not. Maybe need more input from others. The malls (in the city limits) are a significant part of the city just like local business employeers and hospitals. I know some city articles have shopping sections, but only if they have important info to cover. For example, the Cary Towne Center article was merged into the Cary, NC article because it wasn't notable enough for its own article. I think there needs to be some "shopping" section on this city article or somehow merge it into another section... whether it has a link to the MSA Shopping section or has brief descriptions, I don't really care. It would make more sense to me to just link to the mall articles directly here instead of sending people elsewhere to get to them though. --TinMan 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wanted to delete the whole thing since no other cities have mall advertisements, but Golbez made an argument that the nature of Charlotte and its neighborhoods was necessarily inextricable from that of its malls.  Since I've never set foot in the state of North Carolina, I didn't feel qualified to argue, and contented myself with removing the peacock words from their descriptions.--Loodog 00:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: We reached a consensus to remove the ones not in Charlotte and non-notable ones; however, SouthPark and Eastland (much more SouthPark) are indeed notable. Perhaps they should be merged into the sections on their neighborhoods, but I wasn't aware if that had yet happened. This phenomenon is probably not unique to Charlotte, but in the other places I've been, usually the mall is named after the area; in Washington, people know White Flint and Tysons Corner, but these (at least I think, in the case of White Flint) were towns or neighborhoods before the mall came along. SouthPark is 100% named after the mall it surrounds. --Golbez 00:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I thought we reached a consensus to delete the shopping section 

message: This section looks like a sprawling list and should be rewritten into article text.  Discuss the popular culture and the examples in paragraph form, not in bullet lists.  We don't want this to be a triva section.  Morphh  (talk) 13:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: OK, STOP EDIT WARRING! Now both sides explain your case why these (or some of these) links should be included or removed. Do they pertain to the article itself or a vital quality of the city? Are they encyclopediaic (or have a good reputation)? I personally know city-data is a bad website for information, but some of the others may need a second look. I mean, what kind of article are we trying to build here? What guidelines are we going by? --Triadian 22:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The person adding the links is using two different IPs to add these links. 208.53.183.165 and 24.172.118.10. The second IP I listed reverted-warred with several users, including myself, just over a month ago, and were blocked. They also reverted-warred yesterday and were blocked. The links added are not appropriate, and other users besides me have removed them. Links to websites like forums and relocation websites not appropriate. This page was semi-protected about a month ago due to the second IP adding those links. Acalamari 22:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 208.53.183.165 has now been been blocked  for continually adding the external links. Acalamari 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. --Triadian 22:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It doesn't matter where we live; I don't have to live in Charlotte to edit the article about it. Acalamari 23:40, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And there is already a generous quantity of links to fill the needs of any casual viewer. I count 12, which is twice the number that Atlanta has. Wahkeenah 23:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems like a reasonable number for this article. An additional 5-10 just bloats the list and will be removed as spam. Acalamari 23:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I've been to Charlotte. I know what the Charlotte Observer is and I can even pick up Charlotte news out here. All of that is almost completely meaningless though. It still does not explain why you believe links like city-data.com and Charlotte Real Estate are encyclopediaic enough to remain in the external links list. I actually happen to agree with you that some links could remain, just judging by the external links sections of other cities... like Raleigh, haha. The Charlotte Observer is the city's main newspaper and the GIS link could be helpful. Yet, to keep the list from going overboard, we don't need opinionated blogs and restaurant reviews. --Triadian 00:00, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be useful to list the current links and the delete ones, and have the IP address argue as to why they are encyclopedic. I'm guessing he simply doesn't care about the rule that wikipedia is not a link farm, but this would at least give him a chance to explain. Wahkeenah 00:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Looking at the links removed, I'd say we should bring the one about the newspaper back, but links about real estate, property tax, and the forums/blogs are unencyclopedic. As for the links about relocating to Charlotte, do we really need them? Wikipedia is not a travel guide or a moving agent, after all. Acalamari 01:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I seriously doubt any worthy debate will result out of this. I agree, Wikipedia's it's not a travel guide; I say only list the links that back up the info in the article or provide further info on the subject. --Triadian 01:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links edit war 

message: I am confused as to why the pronunciation for Charlotte is listed as /ˈʃɑrlət/) in the first sentence of the page. Isn't a more accurate pronunciation /ˈʃɑrlɪt/? I am from Charlotte, and I have always pronounced it to rhyme with "it" and "lit," written in IPA as /'ɪt/ and /'lɪt/, respectively.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miabadi (talk • contribs) 01:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA Pronunciation 

message: Why does inputting candle stick (with a space) into the search box bring you here?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.71.199.141 (talk) 00:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I deleted it. --Golbez (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candle Stick 

message: Seeing as how the neighborhoods section is lengthy and completely unreferenced, I would like to remove it.  Can I do this without people telling me I'm a bastard?--Loodog 03:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt it. I removed a few myself neighborhoods myself and got yelled at. Since a lot of them have articles of their own, I would advise against removing the whole section. That section though, does need some trimming, and some sources, to comply with No Original Research. --Triadian 03:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Gracebay, was your edit sourced?--Loodog 04:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, since some of the neighborhoods have (probably unsourced) articles of their own, I propose simply leaving a bulleted list of the neighborhoods with a source to that list, which shouldn't be hard to find. This shortens the article, removes ambiguously unsourced material, and leaves wikilinks to the neighborhoods with articles intact.--Loodog 04:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. You could make the list two columns to save space and move the trolley picture elsewhere in the article. If you need help with columns, try Template:col-begin .--Triadian 04:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  It chopped 10 unsourced kilobites off the page.--Loodog 04:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And to explain what I've been doing for everyone's reference. The Charlotte page is big in terms of file size and it needed to be shrunk down. It was hard for me to scroll through it, so there had to be something done to comply with what Wikipedia suggests is a good file size. Charlotte is a major U.S. city (and I'm not from Raleigh by the way, I'm from Winston-Salem, lol) The neighborhoods section in fact, was a bunch of unsourced information and a lot of the neighborhoods had articles of their own with exactly the same information, just with pictures and such. There was no way of telling which information was real and what was vandalism because there have been so many edits to that section and weasel and peacock words and unsourced claims, that a whole rewrite was needed. So, I thought it was best, as did Loondog, that we just make the Neighborhood section a list of neighborhoods and articles could be added onto it. A short blurp about where each neighborhood is could be in order though beside the link. There were a few exceptions where there are no links yet, like the Elizabeth neighborhood, which has historical signifigance, so if anyone wants to get started on a Elizabeth, Charlotte, North Carolina article, go ahead. I mean, to look at Raleigh (hehe), they just put all their neighborhood names in a box, so this is probably better. Right now though, I'm working on the history section which had lots of incorrect facts in it. Nowhere have I found a 1600s founding of Charlotte... it wasn't even settled until Polk came along. Settlers were still on the coast back then. That's just an example. Just keep in mind, Wikipedia's policy of NO ORIGINAL RESEARCH. I often take that policy lightly though, and claim it will be sourced eventually. That's what the  tag is for... for stuff you know is right, but haven't formatted a source correctly yet. It just helps people researching know what's true and what may be true. Anyway, we're not engaging in groupthink here, we're welcome to any edits and comments and ways to improve this. So if you have a problem, let's discuss. --Triadian 00:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing neighborhoods section 

message: I agree with Triadian's laundry list tag — the sites of interest should be cleaned up.  May I suggest: a paragraph (5 sentences or so) of prose and a link to the preexisting long tiresome bulleted list.--Loodog 15:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, that's what I was going for. It's a place where space can be saved and irrelavent info can be removed. --Triadian 23:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laundry list tag 

message: I removed a lot of original research from this section.  It contained three references:  two were to a blog and the third didn't link to a home page rather than a specific article containing the presumed facts.  Sourcing problems aside, the detailed nature of this section indicates it might be more appropriate for its own article.  Rklawton 13:03, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The mass transit section in this article is way too long and goes into far too much detail for a city article. All that really needs to be covered in this article is the fact that it's there, maybe some details on what parts of the city are connected, who runs/maintains it, and maybe **some** details on future expansion. Currently, it has way too much information on the controversy surrounding the project, which needs to be moved into the CATS article. As it stands now, this article wouldn't even get past Good article candidate stage. Dr. Cash 01:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jesus Christ, there's a lot of detail superfluous to an article about Charlotte, in general.  There's the whole light rail political debate.  Please trim.--Loodog 01:37, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah, I didn't see that you noticed it too. It wasn't. Take a look at Airport picture. — aegreen (talk • email) 03:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: See WP:RS: Self-published books, personal websites, and blogs are largely not acceptable as sources.  If you're claiming that your source (aka your blog) cites other sources...you can 'directly cite those sources here instead of citing your own personal blog.  Metros 09:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Metros is right. Todd Fuller claims he is a recognized authority, but he clearly he isn't. Just because you work the department, and you've been on a few talk shows does not mean you are the ultimate source of further knowledge on this issue. Also, there's clear COI here, Hoopsworldscout. Please stop trying to find loopholes for your personal websites, and actually use government or established newspapers for external links/references. Nishkid64 (talk) 18:06, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass transit 

message: Nothing to do with wikipedia but are there any public beaches around Charlotte like on Norman or Wylie? Seems that there are plenty of boat launches but no public beaches with sand.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.234.2.90 (talk) 00:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beaches 

message: That's not a picture of Charlotte Douglas airport's concourse. I think its from Dubai!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.48.108 (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You were right. Thank you for pointing this out. The photo was added by Darin12345, and I have removed it and removed or reverted a number of other images recently added/changed by him for the reasons explained in my edit summary. Some of the images he added remain, and appear to be acceptable and even nice, but taking into consideration these dubious edits I would suggest their licensing info be investigated. — aegreen (talk • email) 03:01, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airport picture 

message: I hope nobody gets angery, but I took the pleasure of earasing the part after: Charlotte is nicknamed the Queen City, "(which it share with cincinatti, buffalo, ect..)". I did this because I, like most people, feel that this page should be just dedicated only to Charlotte, NC not to other cities. However...what really made me take that small part down was that NOWHERE does it mention on the page of Cincinatti or Buffalo that they share their name with Charlottes....so through the process of using logic I concluded "Why should those cities name be mentioned on Charlotte's page when Charlotte's name isn't mentioned on those cities pages?" Thanks. With Respect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daritto7117 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That works for me. You could link to the disambiguation page Queen City too, which lists cities around the world that use the name, just so readers have the option. — aegreen (talk • email) 18:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "QUEEN CITY, shared with (HuH???) 

message: I just wanted to know what had happened to the last horse carriage picture that was posted on the page by someone. I thought the other one was really sophisticated while the current one poster be Ineffable3000, the current one looks "townish"..(like it was taken in a rural town...while the last one lookd better to me. But it's good enough I guess. Feedback please :D  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daritto7117 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me. I removed it because :Image:Horse_drawn_carriage.jpg is not of any discernible part of Charlotte that I recognize. I may be wrong, however, so feel free to correct me if you know where it was taken. — aegreen (talk • email) 18:30, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horse Carriage Picture 

message: Hello,
Hope all is well.  We just received a harassment phone call a little while ago from someone who is involved with this Charlotte Wikipedia page to our office.  
There have been many phone calls to our office since we went live back in March from local residents and visitors who visit this page who want to know why we keep removing 360Charlotte.com from the Charlotte wikipedia page.  They ask us why we keep removing the link because they have pointed friends, relatives, newcomers to this page to find our visual directory since it has been informative, helpful etc. 
They also point to two of our partners (360wichita.com and 360kc.com) since they are both listed in their respective Wikipedia pages.
 
We didn't have an answer for them so we decided to post a link ourselves.  Apparently participating in our local Charlotte Wikipedia page leaves our team open to harassment.
We are not sure why we are receiving threatening calls to our office when there are folks who want to see our directory listed here.
We are sorry we even have to post this.  We thought Wikipedia was supposed to be a COMMUNITY and a place to SHARE information.
Thanks for your time. 
The 360Charlotte team 
JDCharlotte 15:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't explain the phone calls, but I can explain the link. You see, the link you mentioned above (removed here), was a directory for restaurants, businesses, etc. It was not a link for learning about the city, and therefore, not useful in the article. It was removed in accordance with our external links policy. Acalamari 18:56, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: No, I've removed that one as well for the same reason; and also it needed a certain piece of software which not everyone may have. Acalamari 21:04, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phone Call 

message: Ok I respect the second time a link has been removed from the list of External Links. Please I'm no spammer, just learning Wiki. I read an article about external links just after I submitted and it was removed before I could delete. So accept my apologize.
On another side note, you do provide a no follow on links which is ok, but since you have a page about Charlotte, North Carolina, can we start putting up links or a brief non-link list of local business' in that area?
Wiki pages are starting to appear in the search results if users are looking up certain areas why not provide the local business'?
Again accept my apologize and thank you for the reason why for the deletion.
Seoprincess 20:13, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:EL for why we don't have commercial links. Gscshoyru 20:42, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: Re-added specifics from Charlotte Observer article about large corporations that donated to transit tax campaign who had direct ties to CATS operations.  Please read article Metros.  Thank you.Hoopsworldscout 17:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass Transit 

message: I suggest that since we are trying to move this article to GAstatus, that we create sub-pages as to reduce the length of the article and to make it easier for the people reading it. I have already taken the neighborhood section and moved it. This will also make it easier to work with. Input? Canyouhearmenow 14:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-Pages 

message: I think that is a good idea I just believe if we are doing it for the Charlotte site we should do it for the Atlanta site the Miami site and all the big cities with big sites for easy reading ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.238.191 (talk) 03:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Idea 

message: I've reverted city and metro populations back to US Census numbers found here and here respectively.  We use only US Census estimates as per WP:USCITY.  The Charlotte Chamber of Commerce in particular is eager to inflate the population (by more than 10%!).  Of course, such an overestimation is in their interest, which is yet another reason for the US Census figures only.--Loodog (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Census figures are standard and reliably calculated.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 00:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing of estimates