Talk:Antioch College/Archive 1

message: So, Can any one tell me what the general student population is like?
*After having visited, I can say that they are quite delightfully hippie-like. Imagine lots of piercings and tatoos.
Go visit, its more than dirty hippies, etc ... and make sure you visit THE Yellow Spring - once believed to be a source of eternal life.
Transvestites?  Hippies? This is the 21st century.  There are very few "hippies" and since Antioch students question gender binaries, the issue of "transvestites" is moot.  Students are generally intellectually curious and committed to social justice.Drsoftie 14:00, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chit-Chat About Hippies and Transvestites etc. 

message: The campus is around 58% female to 42 male%.  Students typically come from the both the east and west coast.   From home school to arts backgrounds. There is a long tradition at Antioch of being open to LGBT folks as well.  I would add that though their were some hippies most of the students were more into hip-hop and activism when I attended in the mid-90s.  If your into world traveling, being self-directed, and taking educated risks you will find those types of folks on the campus in Yellow Springs.
58% female 42% male may be a number given out as data, but that doesn't take into account the large number of trans and/or gender queer folks at Antioch.
The number of trans and/or gender queer folks at Antioch is not very large.  It is certainly less than 5% of the population.Drsoftie 13:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: Don't write in the present tense e.g.: "The other campuses of Antioch University are expected to continue normal operations". Instead use the past tense: "The other campuses of Antioch University were expected to continue normal operations".Cylon 00:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The closure is being actively fought, it is not ready for the past tense. --LeeAzzarello 02:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, it is generally the practice to put the newer post at the bottom.  Secondly, Lee I think Cylon was talking about manuscript style, and not making a comment on whether or not the closure is a forgone conclusion.  Ursasapien (talk) 06:59, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything wrong with using the present tense to describe current events here. -- Rbellin|Talk 14:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, since this is the encyclopedia article and not the Wikinews story, past tense is more proper.  However, it is nothing I would lose sleep over.  Ursasapien (talk) 04:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, the section on the closure should include all this information.  But it has to be reported neutrally and documented by cited sources.  Wikipedia articles cannot be written in order to advocate a position or distort the published record in order to favor one side of a controversy. -- Rbellin|Talk 14:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, Drsoftie, go ahead, be bold and write something up.  Just follow Rbellin's advice and cite sources and present both sides.  I think it is also important to note that the administration is not accused of doing this on purpose, they are accused of bungling the whole thing.  Ursasapien (talk) 04:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, who's accusing who of what isn't quite that simple on the ground (I'm a current student there, graduating in the fall thankfully). But I agree with the general point that there are enough media sources to write about the various "sides", if you wanna call them that, in a neutral and sourced fashion. Natalie 20:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Closure 

message: The Chronicle of Higher Education article on the closure "Antioch's Closure Signals the End of an Era" byline: Paul Fain, 6/22/2007, Pg. 1 Vol. 53 No. 4, more precisely states that the Antioch endowment is $36.2 million.  I have access to that article via Lexis-Nexis at my university, but otherwise I'm pretty sure it requires registration.  Should I edit and link, in the interest of precision?  I'm new, so I'm not sure I know how to do this. Alas i am 05:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold!  Edit in the correct information.  It would be helpful if you cited your source.  Look at the citation templates for guidance on how to do it.  If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me on my talk page.  Ursasapien (talk) 06:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antioch endowment 

message: I am stunned that there is no mention of robert anton wilson either in the in literature section or in notable alumni.  I attended in the mid 1980s (Mia Zapata took some of my virginity) and a considerable portion of the student body (like maybe a tenth?) was there due to having read about Antioch in Illuminatus as some kind of paradise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.251.194.18 (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While Robert Anton Wilson does mention Antioch in the Illuminatus books, he was not himself an alum. Holzman (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  no robert anton wilson mention? 

message: While the article isn't quite what I would call a current event-related article (at least not yet), the subject of the article is a bit volatile right now, and probably will remain so at least for the remainder of this year.  Therefore, I don't recommend that we trim the lead section just yet, as it is important that we first get the facts straight.  Even so, at four paragraphs it becomes clear that our first priority will be trimming the lede, once the subject of the article returns to some stability. -- JeffBillman (talk) 00:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section will need trimmed 

message: To make this section and others less Antioch-worshipful ("The best-selling guidebook Colleges That Change Lives by Loren Pope says of Antioch, 'There is no college or university in the country that makes a more profound difference in a young person's life or that creates more effective adults'"), I have added the following:  George Will's opinion is slightly different: there is only, he says, "a minuscule market for what Antioch sells for a tuition, room and board of $35,221 — repressive liberalism unleavened by learning."
:This section also contained the US News and World Report ranking, which is not particularly high (3rd tier of four) but it was deleted without comment or explanation. I've restored it, though, which adds a bit of balance. Natalie 20:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Profiles 

message: The lede to the article has been trimmed and updated to reflect the most current state of things.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glouima (talk • contribs) 19:36, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming and Updates 

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thread_title:  Conflict of Interest 

message: If any institution ever deserved to die, it was Antioch College. Even back in 1988, the students received no education except what they themselves deigned "relevant", parents paid exorbitant fees for nothing, the facilities and grounds were maintained like a condemned ghetto, and the chancellor drew a salary in the mid seven figures. The students wandered around town like zombies and the faculty were nowhere to be found. I can only imagine what it was like after another 20 years of neglect. Kasgan (talk) 02:14, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed Institution 

message: Antioch College's closing does not belong in the header; the College was briefly closed -- not the first time in its history -- and has been reopen for some time now.  More relevant is the current state of the college and some of the facts related to its history; for example, that it had the highest percentage of MacArthur fellows of any small school.  Even in the context of the closing the fact an alum won the Nobel Prize the day after the University announced the closing puts that event in a more relevant perspective.
I don't want to make the change unilaterally.  My goal is to start a discussion and try to reach consensus with the editors and whomever is updating and editing the page.  The description is no longer accurate and puts the college into an unnecessary and unfair pejorative light.  If anything, the closure belongs in the header for Antioch University -- who decided to close their namesake school after years of questionable management -- rather than Antioch College.
All this does not mean that there not problems at Antioch:I'm an Antioch Alum and recognize them myself.  But every organization, including and especially Colleges, have issues, and many go through dark days.  After a sufficient amount of time, when we see reach change -- which we have -- it becomes a historical footnote, which is where we're at now.
Michaelolenick (talk) 15:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Header information is outdated - should be updated 

message: I appreciate the recent clean-ups by Chimino and others, however I have reverted the "Academic Program" section that had been deleted.  This section is: (a) neutral in tone; (b) necessary information about the institution; and (c) in line with similar sections in other private Ohio college wiki articles, e.g., Kenyon College, Denison University, and Heidelberg University.  My only connection with Antioch is being the father of a new student there; these changes do not originate with the College's administration, nor with alumni.  — Comment added by Helminski (talk • contribs) 17:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I hate to engage in an edit war, but per the Wikipedia:College and university article guidelines, "Because Wikipedia is not a directory, do not attempt to list every major, degree, or program offered in this or any section." The recent changes made by the anonymous IP, who undoubtedly is affiliated with the college, were clear boosterism.--Chimino (talk) 01:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Chimino, thanks for your guidance.  Yes, I must admit that I agree with you.  Over the New Years weekend I will make changes to the article to have it conform more closely to the College and University article guidelines you linked above, including the "academic program" part.  (I'll also log in before I make future changes, so I don't come out as "anonymous IP" anymore.)  I suppose, as the parent of a student, I've been guilty of boosterism, but will try hard to avoid that in the future.  Thanks, and all the best for the New Year. Helminski (talk) 22:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Academic Program 

message: Hi. The Antioch College alumni list has gotten to the point that it needs to be split off into its own article. See the following colleges as examples. Thanks! Corkythehornetfan (talk) 20:18, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  by Wookiepedian. CorkythehornetfanTalk 22:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: It is far from clear whether the quote
Verbal consent should be obtained with each new level of physical and/or sexual contact/conduct in any given interaction, regardless of who initiates it.  
comes from the Antioch SOP, SOPP or even the original Wymen of Antioch Sop (though that seems unlikely).  
The current cite to https://auth.lib.unc.edu/ezproxy_auth.php?url=http://www.ejhs.org/volume1/burrow/burrow.htm is a deadlink, but probably a redirect to http://www.ejhs.org/volume1/burrow/burrow.htm which refers to  "The Antioch College Sexual Offense Policy adopted in 1990".  As we have already established the SOP was adopted in 91/2.  Part of the cited policy is given ad  - but no publication date or authorship details are supplied. This work cited David Hall, also published in 1998, possibly after the new SOPP had been issued. 
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:03, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: SOP/SOPP

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