Talk:VAT 69/UTK

message: VAT 69 or 69th Commando Battalion is the special force from the Royal Malaysian Police based at Northern Brigade, Ulu Kinta, Perak. This unit is under the direct order of Northern Brigade Commander and responsible to the Internal Security/Civil Security (KDN/KA). VAT 69 modelled on by the United Kingdom Special Air Service Regiment for fighting the arms rising from the Malayan Communist Party in 1969. The VAT 69 actually formed in 1969 (hence the name - 69) to create a small combat unit with the same tactics and technique just like the communist terrorist.
:Isn't VAT69/UTK a component of the Royal Malaysian Police? This would make the unit a civilian law enforcement unit rather than a military unit. In that case, I don't see why it should be listed in the Special forces of Malaysia category as it would seem that the intention was to list down military units within the Malaysian Armed Forces with Special Force designations. I'll be removing VAT69/UTK from the list. --  Bob K 22:46, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

message: VAT 69/UTK are equipped with arms and equipment similar to SAS, SWAT, US Navy SEALs. Here's the list of weaponry and equipment used by VAT69/UTK.
* Pistols/Sidearms: Beretta M92FS (no longer in service), Browning HP Mk.III, Colt M1911A1 (no longer in service), Glock 19, HK P9S, Sig Sauer P226, Steyr M9 Compact, Vektor SP1
* Shotguns: Remington 870, Remington 1100, Winchester M12.
* Submachineguns:, HK MP5 (many different variants).
* Assault Rifles/Carbines: Colt M4A1 SOPMOD, Colt M16A1, Steyr AUG.
* Sniper Rifles: Accuracy International PM, SIG-Sauer SSG 2000.
* Machineguns: M60A1.
* Grenades: High Explosive Grenade, Flashbang, Smoke Grenade.
* Supported Equipments: night vision, Laser Guided, Tactical Vest.
The American  M1911A1 Colt pistol was used by British forces, Malay Regiments, and Federation Malay State Police officers (now Royal Malaysian Police) after World War II and the Malayan Emergencies. The Beretta M92FS was used by VAT 69, UTK and Royal Malay Regiment (Malay:Rejimen Askar Melayu Diraja, RAMD) in 1970s while fighting the communist guerillas. When the Malaysian Government introduced newer pistols such as the Glock, Sig Sauer and Steyr designs to replace them in the 1980s, both Beretta and Colt sidearms will end service.  Only 1% of police officers used those guns, primarily from the Criminal Investigation Department (C.I.D.) and Armory Department.
Notes:  
* "Not longer in service" implies a difference in physical length (say 10cm vs. 8cm) in use.  "No longer in service" means that the weapon is not being used at this time.
* Generally, if the name of something (like: Criminal Investigation Department) and its abbreviation (like: C.I.D.) are both going to be used, the name is in the sentence and the abbreviation is in parentheses.
* In: The American  M1911A1 Colt pistol was used by British forces..., you are talking about a design or a series of pistols when you refer to the M1911A1's,  "The is appropriate".  "An American Colt M1911A1" implies that you are talking about one, single pistol like with one serial number and carried by one person.
I'm not trying to be pedantic or anything, I'm only trying to help make the article (at least this small section) more understandable and explain why I keep changing a few things.  Deathbunny 14:28, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weaponry section 

message: I don't particular get the relevance to the Black September incident to the formation of the UTK. It would seem to me the JRA incident was the primary reason for the formation of the UTK, not the Black September incident. While the JRA may have been partially inspired by the Black September incident, they had also been doing this sort of stuff before Black September (and indeed some people suggest Black September were more inspired by the JRA then vice versa) so it seems a minor connection at best and little to do with the formation of the UTK. Nil Einne 13:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black September 

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