Talk:Panzerotto

message: The article claims that, in North America, unlike Italy, the singular for this food is spelled panzarotti and the plural is spelled panzarotties.  The question of the correct vowel (-a- versus -e- in the second syllable) is tackled in a section below.  Here, I am tackling only the question of plural vs singular spelling.  The two spelling errors may be linked; I am choosing to tackle them separately to facilitate reaching a consensus.
I do not doubt that the aberrant spelling exists.  I question whether its adoption is wide enough to justify enshrining it in our encyclopedia.  Google proves that the spelling is indeed used by *some* people and *some* companies.  It may even be common in some towns of English-speaking North America.  I doubt that it is common all over.
Alert: my next few paragraphs are original research:
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Evidence set #1: here are two examples of established businesses in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, that advertise with the Italian spelling:  www.panzerottopizza.com/panzerotto/  www.frankspizzahouse.com/dine-in-menu/calzoni-panzerotti/ .  The first, Panzerotto Pizza, is a franchise with several locations in the greater Toronto area (I counted 33 locations listed at the bottom of that page).  The second, Frank's Pizza House, is a family-owned restaurant within Toronto's city limits.  Their page uses both the singular and the plural (Italian spelling), no doubt to maximize search rankings.  They do not use "panzerotties".
Evidence set #2: a google search today for panzerotties yields 606 results.  For panzerottis (another variant on the aberrant spelling), 23'800 results.  For panzerotto, 237'000.  For Panzerotti, 577'000.  So the aberrant spellings are one to two orders of magnitude less common.
Repeating these searches for the -a- spelling, I find: Panzarotti 99'800 (including our own article as the very first entry).  Panzarottis 6'060.  Panzarotties 6'060 (yes, same count).  Panzarotto 23'200.  Again, much lower counts than for the Italian spelling.  I think also that linkage between the -a- versus -e- and -i vs -ies spellings can be discerned.
Note a:  Google customizes results based on the searcher's geographic location, which can be estimated from their IP address.  The above searches were made from a Toronto IP address.
Note b: google attempts to correct misspellings.  In each search, when google offered an alternate spelling, I did request a search for the specific spelling which I had provided.  But I doubt google's database is able to comply fully.  So the above numbers are not necessarily accurate.  Still, I think the counts are useful approximations.
Note c: unless one combines the above searches with the names of North American cities, the results are skewed by matches from Italy.  So perhaps data set #2 proves nothing.
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I have no secondary sources to present.  It is such a small matter, that none may exist.  But I have not attempted to seek out such sources.
The fact that google's results match on the aberrant spelling in our article concerns me:  (a) we are skewing google's results.  (b) our article, especially when google matches and displays our paragraph, is advising North Americans on correct usage.  It is probably feeding back, altering the language.
I am changing the spelling, throughout the article, to the Italian spelling (-e- with plural -i).  I am preserving a reference to the aberrant spelling but annotating as questionable the claim that this is established usage throughout North America.
Black Walnut (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  singular vs plural spelling 

message: Panzarotti as known in Southern New Jersey to describe a cheese and sauce filled dough pocket, is a disambiguation of its origins which is generally a *small* potato croquette type food, stuffed with cheese and prosciutto or sopresatta, and fried (see link below)  Anyone who has been to Naples, Italy and has seen/eaten panzarotti, knows what true panzarotti is. A "panzarotti" as South Jerseyans know it, is more like a calzone or "pizza turnover".
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Panzarotti is not Italian, if anything it's an Italian-American word for the correct spelling, which is panzErotto/i(plural). They are most popular in the south of Italy and they are definitely not calzone. They are traditionally filled with tomatoes and mozzarella and fried. Rosso99 09:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure whether anyone cares to look into it or not, but the comment further above about how panzarotti are the exact same thing as pizza pockets is spot on. In Canada the Great Canadian Superstore sells generic versions of pillsbury's pizza pops, named - appropriate enough - panzarotti. It might actually be panzerotti as well...
204.191.239.171 19:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As the Pizza Pockets article makes clear, pizza pockets aren't fried, which makes them distinct from panzarottis: "In an effort to differentiate form other brands the Pockets are round and the advertising phrase "baked - not fried" was coined." --Jere7my 19:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interestingly, the article for "Pizza Pockets" made by (Canadian) McCain Foods has been disappeared...but the one for (American) Pillsbury's Pizza Pops one lives on. Way to shill for some corporations, Yankeepedia! Ugh. 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:B1A3:9953:ED4:E0FF (talk) 02:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Panzarotti" are not panzarotti 

message: This article reads like a promotion for Franco's. Is panzarotti served elsewhere? If not - is this article notable? - AKeen 18:03, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: Someone (not me) has marked the article for merging with Calzone.
"Baked panzarotti's also exist, although they are considerably less popular and more akin to the stromboli."
Isn't a Panzarotti by nature a fried dish?  Wouldn't a baked panzarotti more similar to a Calzone? -aufs klo 22:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Calzone]] 

message: i think there is a lot of unmotived advertises in this article --83.190.64.202 02:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ADVs 

message: The picture on this page is the same as the one on the calzone page. Is there no available picture of something that is distinctly panzarotti? --Anthrcer (click to talk to me) 22:05, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, right? Correctron (talk) 04:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this? — Mudwater (Talk) 08:58, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a fan but, hey, at least they aren't the same anymore.Correctron (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Aren't the "boiled panzerotti" in the picture actually the pansoti mentioned in the etymology section? 212.59.34.21 (talk) 12:10, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you seem to be right. I’ve never heard of a boiled panzerotti before; they probably meant the ravioli pansoti. Fixed. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 12:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boiled Panzerotti? 

message: This phrase is nonsense. In Naples, these are the only kind of panzarotti (spelled with the second "a"), thus no need to differentiate. Also, these potato croquettes most certainly do NOT come from Apulia! They are a well-known Neapolitan specialty, and frankly, more should be done in this article to not only articulate this, but to differentiate the Neapolitan panzarotti from the "pouch" variety that are actually found in Apulia (and elsewhere). Alternatively, it needs its own article. What a mess! 174.115.79.25 (talk) 08:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's going to need a source, as the source we have there now states origin from an Apulian town. Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 14:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Panzerotti di patate" 

message: Hello!  Use British English in this article, you say?  Why is that?  I don't see anything particularly British here.  If anything, the article should use American English, because it has a section about panzerotti in North America. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: absolutely not. For example, the pizza article has a section dedicated to North America (United States), but this is certainly not a good reason to include the template. However, the "Use British English" template will probably be removed (not by me), as you requested. JacktheBrown (talk) 23:41, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm fine with not adding the "use American English" tag to this article, but I'm curious to know why you added the "use British English" tag. — Mudwater (Talk) 02:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see, there's a whole big thing going on, as discussed at User talk:JackkBrown#Use British English and other places. Since you've not given a reason why this article should use British English, and there are no strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation, I'm going to take the tag back out. — Mudwater (Talk) 22:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. JacktheBrown (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version of English to use in the article 

message: According to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2.37.165.95, ‎"‎sono di mola di bari, le frittelle sono vuote, usano lo stesso impasto del panzerotto ma sono più vicine alle crescentine modenesi che al panzerotto. non so a Molfetta ma secondo me queste americanate sono tutte sbagliate" (English: "I'm from Mola di Bari, the frittelle are empty, they use the same dough as the panzerotto but they are closer to the crescentine modenesi than the panzerotto. I don't know about Molfetta but I think these americanate are all wrong"), this page should be correct. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probably errors