Talk:Riccardo Giacconi

message: Sacconi is not only an Italian-born scientist, he did all his studies till the PhD in Italy, this is the base of his work later. How can we neglect this?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio.napoli (talk • contribs) 16:25, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Again: "Italian born" in English means "Italian since his/her birth", it does not mean that someone (Hubble? :-)) kidnapped Giacconi in his cradle and brought him to the U.S.. Nationality is important culturally, Giacconi is and will always be culturally Italian, and also American, since he lives in both cultures. The same is valid for Fermi, Segrè, and all the millions Italians who emigrated in U.S.A. Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
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message: This discussion deals with the change in the opening paragraph from American to Italian-American, against what the WP:OPENPARA guideline says.
The reason for the change is written in the edit comment. Please go to WP:OPENPARA (which is a Wikipedia guideline) and read it. Of course, if you don't understand it, you are welcome to ask me again. Alex2006 (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, OPENPARA says that in the opening paragraph it goes the citizenship/nationality held when he/she became notable, Now, Giacconi moved to the U.S. right after his Laurea, so he became notable in the U.S. If he had done his main research in Italy, we would have written Italian. Alex2006 (talk) 13:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I have no doubt either that he is Italian-american: but I don't think that you still understand how Wikipedia works. There is a guideline (WP:OPENPARA), established through user consensus, and what it says is clear. Since Giacconi emigrated to the U.S. right after his degree, and did all his important research there, in the opening paragraph it should be mentioned only his American nationality, disregarding whether he was homesick, drank Chianti, played Mandolin or other amenities. As long as this guideline remains in this form, it must be applied in this form. This means that in the opening paragraph (NOT in the whole article, of course) there is no place for a double citizenship/nationality: he is described either as Italian or as American. And since he became notable in the U.S., we write "American". If you don't agree about the guideline (that has advantages and disadvantages) you can go to the respective talk page, and discuss there. Until then, you should leave the article as it was before your changes. Alex2006 (talk) 14:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

text: No second opinion has been offered, so I have no third opinion to offer. (This article is coming off my watchlist.)  – S. Rich (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I suggest as "italian and american". Or "italian american-naturalized". U.S. allows dual citizenship. Giacconi was all his life italian, and part of it he was american. My guess, the problem comes when you want to claim the prize for a country. It is pointless to discuss that, the article already decribes how and where all the research was done. Let the readers get their own idea instead of imposing one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.24.49 (talk) 00:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OPENPARA is a guideline of wikipedia, so it must be followed. I am not against what you write, but you have to discuss the change of the rule at the talk page of the manual of style, not here. Alex2006 (talk) 04:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality and WP:OPENPARA 

message: wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
; Viewpoint by Alessandro57: Riccardo Giacconi ethnicity in the opening paragraph should be described as American, since when he became notable he was and worked in the U.S. (he left Italy right after his degree and never returned). This is according to WP:OPENPARA.
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; Third opinion by srich32977:
: No second opinion has been offered, so I have no third opinion to offer. (This article is coming off my watchlist.)  – S. Rich (talk) 14:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest as "italian and american". Or "italian american-naturalized". U.S. allows dual citizenship. Giacconi was all his life italian, and part of it he was american. My guess, the problem comes when you want to claim the prize for a country. It is pointless to discuss that, the article already decribes how and where all the research was done. Let the readers get their own idea instead of imposing one.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.55.24.49 (talk) 00:38, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OPENPARA is a guideline of wikipedia, so it must be followed. I am not against what you write, but you have to discuss the change of the rule at the talk page of the manual of style, not here. Alex2006 (talk) 04:08, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion