Talk:Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed

message: Look, if Michael Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11 and others like it are not listed as "propaganda" by Wikipedia, then I am unsure why Expelled should be. 2600:1700:7F08:4200:507F:97FE:4E3:7881 (talk) 12:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You would need to ask on their pages, RS call this propaganda, so we do. Slatersteven (talk) 12:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is RS? If you mean "real scientists" (why can't you just type it?), then I suggest your sampling is quite narrow or consists of people who have formed an opinion without seeing the movie...or both. 2600:1700:7F08:4200:507F:97FE:4E3:7881 (talk) 12:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources we use for the claim. Again if you want changes made to those articles, make the case there, and what is done there has no relevance to what is done here. Slatersteven (talk) 12:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

text: When people use an abbreviation on Wikipedia, try putting "WP:" in front of it. See WP:RS. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Someone thinks this article is supposed to be NPOV. That's cute. -R. fiend (talk) 15:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It cute that someone thinks we do not accurately reflect what RS say about this film. Slatersteven (talk) 15:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, a couple critics say it's propaganda (or like propaganda, which is actually saying it isn't propaganda, but let's not let that bother anyone) and Wikipedia decides to take it as gospel, despite the fact that the vast majority of sources do not make this claim. What's especially funny is that one thing just about every reliable source does say about it is that it's a documentary (not a good one, but a documentary nonetheless), but this article can't even bring itself to say that much, and has labelled it "documentary-style" or whatever they've decided to call it. Just admit that a handful of editors have staked their claim on this article to reflect their POV. Pretending otherwise is unbecoming. -R. fiend (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So find a source that says its not propaganda, as that is how we determined if something is disputed. But I agree it is a documentary. Slatersteven (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it a documentary? It doesn't provide facts or information about a subject, it provides the opposite in the style of a documentary, and is described by reliable sources as propaganda. Propaganda in the style of a documentary, As opposed to a dramatic propaganda film or comedic propaganda film, summarized in the lede as "documentary-style propaganda film." It's quite possible that more films would accurately be similarly described, but that's a failing in the reliable sources that apply to them. -tronvillain (talk) 21:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

text: The entire article comes across as very biased. Could have a rewrite in at least a more neutral tone. Not sure that the adjective "propaganda" is necessary. Even Birth of a Nation isn't listed as a propaganda film in the first sentence. 2001:F40:943:874:5891:AE84:D812:C027 (talk) 03:27, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:FRINGE, WP:FALSEBALANCE and WP:YWAB. --Hob Gadling (talk) 07:25, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda Film?