Talk:Krifo scholio

message: I created this article and put up a few 'sources needed' warnings myself. I think the overall content of the article is referenced well enough for the moment, but I appreciate that those details need to be fixed. I'll do that as soon as I find the time. Lukas 09:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources needed 

message: This is wikipedia and the inforation shown in the article needs to have a certain standard and a Neutral point of View (see: NPOV), at the moment it doesn’t, this article is ridiculously biased, uncited and one sided and reeks of POV from top to bottom, instead of putting more detailed information about the underground schooling the auther chose to focus on several skeptics outlandish theories. The whole article needs to be rewritten/modified ASAP.
Hopefully the original author and I can take turns at editing this!
Lex Luther 04:56, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, if somebody can cite comparably reputable academic sources for the existence of secret schools. Right now, I'm not aware that any serious modern scholar asserts that they existed. To the best of my knowledge, the work of Angelou stands unchallenged. It's even the position reflected in the current Greek school books. But of course I could be wrong. Got sources? If not, I'll probably revert to the previous version. Lukas (T.|@) 08:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: P.S.: Just to make clear in advance where the debate is: I think it's pretty uncontroversial that there was schooling of a small-scale, privately organized, inofficial character. (Wasn't much different in other parts of Europe, or in Byzantium for that matter.) We can include that in the article if you like. Only there doesn't seem to be any evidence that these activities were illegal. The sentence you introduced states that as a fact, and that now really is an unsourced POV statement. Lukas (T.|@) 10:45, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove POV from article. 

message: The Greek word κρυφό has given an equivalent in other European languages, including English, which is, cryptic, not kriptik. Therefore should the English spelling be, Cryfo Scholio? Politis (talk) 08:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Krifo or Cryfo

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In October, User:Skylax30 made a number of tendentious edits to this article. This is, alas, fairly common and routine.
What is not common, and is rather disturbing, is that these edits reported dishonestly on the sources they cite:
* The Veremis interview (which I found on YouTube, so I suppose we can consider verifiable) shows Veremis being pushed to concede that there were probably secret schools at isolated times and places of intense islamisation, but that normally the Ottomans simply did not care about the schooling of dhimmis. This is reported on as "Others believe that secret schools did exist during periods of intense islamisation."
* The Noehden article talks about schools in Athens and in Milies (which had a famous library). This is reported on as "There are evidences (mostly in greek language) that the Ottoman authorities prohibited education in the languages of non-Muslim subject peoples in certain periods and places, in the frame of the islamic law of sharia." But not only does the article explicitly talk about several schools, but it never mentions prohibitions, or sharia. (Though it does mention that it is "remote from the jealous eye of the Turkish governor".) Also strange that this is in fact not a Greek-language source as you might expect from the article text.
* The Puaux article mentions "the Greek schools at Argyrocastro". The writer is talking to the teachers of the local (non-secret!) school in Ottoman Epirus, and they mention that their schoolbooks must come from (Ottoman) Constantinople rather than Athens (in the Kingdom of Greece), and that they give "extra lessons in secret" where they teach Greek national culture, the Greek national anthem, etc. We can admire the teachers for their political courage, but this is certainly not "prohibiting education in the languages of non-Muslim subject peoples".
Editors who do not report honestly on the sources they cite undermine the trust and confidence we should all be able to have in each other. See WP:Honesty. --Macrakis (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Dishonest edits

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