Talk:Bosporus

message: In the text just below from the refs section: 
The poster quoted the three different versions of The Bible it seems in order to provide a more full insight into the biblical reference at note five. The external link seems sufficient. The other classical literature references (1-4) above do not include extensive quotations from their sourced documents. It seems more consistent to use only the external link. (The link works great and directs a user to exactly the passages quoted.)
** And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south. (KJV)
** And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel, all the places of the Chanaanites even to Sarepta: and the captivity of Jerusalem that is in Bosphorus, shall possess the cities of the south. (Douay-Rheims) 
** et transmigratio exercitus huius filiorum Israhel omnia Chananeorum usque ad Saraptham et transmigratio Hierusalem quae in Bosforo est possidebit civitates austri. (Vulgate)
PBF 04:13, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biblical Refs 

message: Is it Bosporus or Bosphorus? I'm not sure. Danny
:Webster's Ninth and RandomHouse have both, with Bosporus listed first. -- Marj Tiefert, Saturday, July 13, 2002
:Thanks. Danny
:: Better make a mention of the alternative. I'm pretty sure in From Russia with Love (film) they say Bosphorus, it was on telly last weekend... -- Tarquin
::: It's Bosporus. Bosphorus is wrong.
:::--IonnKorr 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reference for that?  --Lambiam 22:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bosporus or Bosphorus 

message: Is Cimmerian Chersonesus not a _city_ Chersonesos/Korsun'/Khersones, an ancient suburb of current Sevastopol? Why whole Crimean _peninsula_ is taken as parralel to the single _town_ Gallipoli? Mingis.
I've now put a fuller discussion of Bosporus/Bosphorus into the article, which seemed to warrant it.   I've removed the Chersonese material as extrinsic to the topic: it belongs in its own article. But "Chersos" means "dry land" in Greek, and "Nesos" "island", so Chersonese is just Greek for a peninsular, of any size.  If it is also the name of a suburb of Sevastopol (which is by the way built on the ancient Sebastopolis or "emperor's city"), that may just be a bit of archaising by a smart Russian property developer. Mark O'Sullivan 17:56, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cimmerian Bosporus 

message: Ancient Greeks suggested an mythological etymology relative with Io )(or preciously, Iô), daughter of Inachus and mistress of Zeus.
But, I suppose that the word "Bos-porus" is derivated by the name of Bessians (or Bessi), a people of classical Thrace.
The word "porus" means "passage, strait" in ancient Greek.
So, Bosporus means "the strait of Bessians".
--IonnKorr 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of Bosporus 

message: As I remember Ryan and Pitman's book, the Bosporus has 2-way flow:  near the surface fresh water flows from the Black Sea to the Mediterranean, but lower there is a flow of salt water from the Mediterranear into the Black Sea.  If this is correct, it would make the Bosporus one of the most interesting "rivers" in the world.  If it is not correct, it should perhaps be noted by Wikipedia.
It is certainly true and it is indeed an interesting river.  That makes navigating it even more interesting to say the least for those giant tankers that go in each direction.--Murat (talk) 16:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question of two-way flow in the Bosporus 

message: some talk seems to be at Talk:Bosporus. I propose we move this article (back?) to Bosporus Bertilvidet 13:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. "Bosporus" seems to be the most common spelling in dictionaries, etc. I will request a move (we need an admin because Bosporus already has an edit history). Lesgles (talk) 01:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: Move to Bosporus. Duja 13:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

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* Support. I proposed it; my reasoning is above. Lesgles (talk) 02:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The city of Constantinople wasn't renamed Istanbul until the 20th Century with the advent of the Turkish Republic; not in 1453. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.191.211.54 (talk • contribs).
Isn't Istanbul just the Turkish translation of Constantinople? AFAIR the Turks always called the city Istanbul, even when it was the Bycantine capital. Der Eberswalder (talk) 01:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In Byzantine times, when Constantinople was the capital of the Empire, its official name was Nova Roma in Latin,  in Greek. The name Constantinople, although in common use, was an informal name. The Turks used several names for the city, of which Kostantiniyye, used in official documents, probably corresponds most directly to Constantinople. The name Istanbul probably comes from a Greek form pronounced Stimboli or Stambuli. See further Istanbul#Names and Names of Istanbul.  --Lambiam 18:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a whole article dedicated to the name of this queen of cities.  I highly recommend it.  All aspects covered.--Murat (talk) 16:06, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Istanbul 

message: You might want to fix this page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.145.184 (talk) 10:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism Much? 

message: We need a gallery. DenizTC 02:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  gallery 

message: I think this is a very current and important topic.  Should be dealt with in more technical and quantitative detail.  The passage requirements, protocols, radar monitors, relevant laws and rules should be detailed.  Anyone more knowledgeable is welcome!--Murat (talk) 16:11, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tanker Traffic and Control 

message: Somebody (78.180.119.170) wiped out the full version of the article. I went into the previous version and saved it.Mother Mary (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Restored

message: I think this sentence is total bull: "...but the exact path is kept secret to avoid an early boom in land prices."  What the fuck is wrong with a boom in land prices? 72.75.84.149 (talk) 04:38, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: those "in the know" would like to but up the land before the boom. —Saltmarsh 15:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullshit sentence 

message: As a Turk, it pains me to see Greece being called "traditional enemy" (under Strategic importance). Being an enemy with someone is not a matter of tradition, but rather of historical circumstances. I therefore hold that this comment be removed.  
This is an entirely unwarranted claim that should be removed.
--94.54.236.28 (talk) 09:12, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional enemy? 

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message: Seriously? You tell me there's this underwater river, but what direction does it flow?? 75.151.57.113 (talk) 21:42, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: What direction does the stream flow??

message: I see this has been an issue since 2006, but Wikipedia usually gets it right over time. Not in this case. 
Apparently, the decision to stick with "Bosphrous" was inspired by a naive google hit count.
Now, of course Bosporus is the etymological spelling. But Bosphorus is surprisingly common, and some dictionaries accept it as variant. As variant, mind, never as normal or primary spelling. 
Of the "real" dictonaries polled at onelook.com, Bosporus is accepted by:
: Oxford Dictionaries, American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Collins English Dictionary, Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Ed. ,  Webster's Revised Unabridged, 1913 Edition ,  Webster's 1828 Dictionary, 1911 edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
By contrast, "Bosphorus" is accepted by: : Oxford Dictionaries.
The Oxforddictionaries link redirects to the "Bosporus" entry as a matter of course, and there we have a simple note of "also Bosphorus". 
I think this should speak for itself as to which is the primary spelling. 
Now we are left with the task of tracing the unetymological spelling in -ph-.
This isn't just a naive corruption with "phosphorus" as has been suggested, it may be based on the Russian form, which is of course just as unetymological, but where Босфор is the only acceptable form.  --dab (𒁳) 07:05, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: let's see. The French spelling has "always" been Bosphore, and this 1750 dictionary says that it is "not extraordinary" for the p to have "changed to ph". I assume that the spelling in ph is medieval, but so far no direct reference on this. There is the variant Bosphorus in English from an early time, but it never seems to have caught on (as the medieval French spelling clashes with the "learned" Latin rendition in -us?), in any case, Milton (PL 2.1018) has Through Bosporus betwixt the justling Rocks from the first edition. --dab (𒁳) 08:17, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

text: it turns out that the name was corrupted in medieval Greek. In order to trace this we need to descend into scholarship of the Geographi graeci minores. The Bosporus had become known as Prosphorion in 12th-century Greek, and anything becomes possible from there with a sufficiently medieval approach to orthography. --dab (𒁳) 08:46, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Latin manuscripts from the 9th/10th century already have the spelling variant with -ph- (e.g. "bosphorum" in Bede, De temporum ratione, c. 33 and "bosphoro" in Paul the Deacon, Historia Romana, 5, c. 5 ). Iblardi (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: spelling variant in -ph-

message: Any reason why we need navigation tips in the lede? --Pete (talk) 00:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waffly lede 

message: The Formation section is pitching the Black Sea deluge hypothesis, with a sudden Holocene transgression into a freshwater Black Sea, as if it were, like, 'almost sure' or anywhere near current scientific consensus, which it certainly isn't. Most established geologists don't buy the idea that the Bosphorus has formed a sill cutting off the Black Sea at any point in the last million years, and the supposed evidence for a breaking through of the sill is highly controversial and insufficiently published in scientific terms (that is, some of it only exists as claims made by the people behind a half-obscure expedition, not as scholarly published data) even if it's made a splash in tabloids and on a few tv channels. The section should be speedily rewritten and properly sourced to reflect the real state of affairs. 83.254.154.164 (talk) 08:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geological formation 

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message: Does anyone know the maximum draft (hull) for a ship in the Bosphorus ?--Io Herodotus (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depth 

message: The section Bosphorus#Submarine says
:The Eurasia Tunnel is a road undersea tunnel, crossing the Bosphorus for vehicular traffic, between Kazlıçeşme and Göztepe, which began construction in February 2011 and is expected to open in 2016.[citation needed]
This reference to an expected opening needs to be updated. Loraof (talk) 17:14, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passage needs update 

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message: The claim "pronounced Vosporos in Ancient Greek" is wrong. (Unless it is referring to Koine Greek, and even then the claim is dubious.) Beta was indeed pronounced like an English /b/ in Classical Greek, and in fact the shift to a /v/ pronunciation was only came gradually with Koine Greek, such that it was probably present at the time of Constantine I, but not at the time of Alexander the Great. Thus, I recommend a change. 2A02:C7F:C617:6600:4DE9:F418:D575:51DF (talk) 03:03, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Is there no sea cable crossing?
Do the (3) aerial powerlines include glass fibre cables within an electrical cable? Usally the highest cable on (lowest) electrical potential earth is used in this way.
Further I expect the existence of directed radio or microwave transmission for data, telecommunication, radio and tv content.
Laser and radar beams could measure the distance and calculated movement of poits of the earth.
Does helicopter service play a role in tranferring persons, e.g. to hospitals?
--Helium4 (talk) 08:16, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crossings –  not one sea cable? 

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message: has moved the page to "The Bosporus" however I don't see any discussion of this. The most recent discussion was to move it to "Bosporus". What are the Wikipedia rules on including the definite article in an article name? —DIYeditor (talk) 03:34, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikipedianUser12 (talk • contribs) 09:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite or indefinite article at beginning of name) lists the convention. Looks like this could go either way. Is there a reason you wanted it to be The Bosporus instead of what had been discussed above? Also you might want to use the "reply" link next to posts if you don't know how to format comments in the raw source format (indented and on a new line). Thanks. —DIYeditor (talk) 14:01, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to "The Bosporus" 

message: I knew nothing about this strait and came looking for clear basic information. What I found exceeded my expectations: maps and pictures with useful descriptive captions, and a clear concise explanation of the place. Thank you. 64.251.81.58 (talk) 18:45, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you!