Talk:Brian Mulroney

message: The effective destruction of the oldest political party in Canada needs to be in the first paragraph.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.29.60 (talk) 20:41, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The Progressive Conservative Party, which Mulroney led, was not the oldest party in Canada. The PC's formed in 1942 as an amalgamation of the Conservative Party and the Progressive Party. The Liberal Party of Canada is the only extant Federal party in Canada with an origin that predates Confederation. Mediatech492 (talk) 02:05, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major achievements in the first paragraph 

message: Having a discussion about the phrase "This was the last time the federal government attempted to interfere with abortion laws".  I think it's NPOV, for two reasons:
*1. Laws are made by Parliament.  They're not some external thing, that exist independent of Parliament.  Parliament enacts the laws, Parliament amends the laws, Parliament repeals the laws.  That's the constitutional function of Parliament.  The phrasing "interfere with" suggests that somehow, laws are separate and apart from Parliament and it's inappropriate for Parliament to amend them.  That's not correct, either constitutionally or politically. Parliament sets the criminal laws, the bankruptcy laws, the customs laws.  If Parliament chooses to amend a federal law, that is not "interference".
*2. "interfere with" is inherently a value statement, not a statement of fact.  It suggests that it is not appropriate for Parliament to enact an abortion law.  Wikipedia needs to be neutral on that point.  Some people may believe that Parliament should not introduce an abortion law;  others may believe that Parliament should introduce an abortion law.  "Interfere with" implicitly states that Parliament should not amend the abortion law, and that is a political statement, not a statement of fact. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 12:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your second point makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Ak-eater06 (talk)  20:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV - "interfered with abortion laws" 

message: MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE provides: 
That being the case, I have doubts as to whether Mulroney's attendance at Dalhousie University (from which he received no degree) qualifies as a "key fact" about the subject. His enrolment there has no connection to his notability and he didn't even attend the school for a full year. His attendance in the first two-thirds of the year was sporadic at best; John Sawatsky attributes his absence to political business and late-night socializing. And in February he came down with a terrible unknown illness (which led to hospitalization) causing him to miss most of the rest of the year.
While that is undoubtedly interesting trivia about Mulroney's early life, those few months of his life hardly make the cut for a high-level summary of the topic.
The central consensus on the matter of including universities from which the subject did not graduate in biographical infoboxes is documented in the documentation for :  Bill Gates's time at Harvard helped develop his technical skills, led to his relationship with Steve Ballmer, and, most importantly, is generally viewed as a core part of the popular narrative around Gates – i.e., that he dropped out of the most prestigious university in America to start a tech company that would ultimately make him the wealthiest person in the world. Brian Mulroney's time at Dalhousie, however, was relatively uneventful and is not commonly known. It's obviously sufficiently noteworthy to warrant inclusion in the article, but it's certainly not a "key fact" about his life.
As the MOS mandates that infoboxes be designed around "key facts", omitting extraneous information, and there exists a central consensus that universities from which the subject didn't graduate should be omitted from the infobox barring exceptional circumstances, I would propose that we remove the reference to Dalhousie from the infobox. Graham (talk) 06:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Universities in the infobox 

message: The chart of seats in the House of Commons is badly in need of a legend associating the colours with parties.Bill (talk) 21:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   Done! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Chart of Seats after the election