Talk:Magnus Maximus

message: What a great name. It's like a transformer or something.
:His name means something like "Greatest Big". Wow.Hattes 22:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As I have made a little research regarding Maximus in Battle of the Save I believe that the battle occured at Siscia and not Emona (see talk:Battle of the Save). Navportus 18:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle of the Save

message: Should be more about how he removed Roman troops from Britain to support his bid to be Emperor, which weakened Roman Britain's defenses, and was in fact the beginning of the end of Roman Britain... AnonMoos 18:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The effect on Britain's defences is a matter of debate, but his establishment of the two military bases in Armorica and Galicia had long-term benefits for European civilisation.  Galicia repelled the Moors and began the Reconquista.  Armorican forces (in particular, archers) were essential to the defeat of Attila the Hun in 451.  In the 900s, descendants of the troops Magnus left in Armorica inflicted crushing defeats on both the Loire and Seine Vikings, thus ending a long series of raids on both England and France.  In 1066, Armoricans, speaking languages descended from Gallo-Roman and Romano-British, reclaimed Britain. (Contrary to the popular view, most of William the Conqueror's ancestors were native Armoricans, not Vikings.) Zoetropo (talk) 05:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Consequences for Britain

message: Currently the article reads, "According to Geoffrey of Monmouth's fictional Historia Regum Britanniae (ca. 1136), basis for many English and Welsh legends...". Is this correct? Are many legends that have been recorded at later dates demonstrably based upon readings of Geoffrey? Or has the writer of these words meant to say that Geoffrey's work contains early versions of many legends? Martin Rundkvist (talk) 21:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geoffrey and legends 

message: The article is largely citation free, it confuses what is known about the historical Magnus Maximus with conjecture, legend and tradition in a totally unstructured and uncritical manner. In particular, the familial connections of Maximus are presented as fact, when they are largely conjecture. It is believed that there might have been a familial connection between Maximus and Theodosius the Great, possibly by marriage (Maximus's wife being related to Theodosius), but we are presented here with the two men being first cousins, with no caveats. The lower section has Maximus being the ancestor of Ambrosius Aurelius, the figure named by Gildas as "Almost the Last of the Romans", this is entirely based on legend, but this is not presnted as such. As it stands at present the article should be treated with extreme caution by any reader. I suspect that the article would benefit by being split into two articles, one entirely concerned with established historical fact, the other containing Maximus's place in legend and the 'Matter of Britain'. Urselius (talk) 11:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added a few refs, but tend to agree that the life section especially needs condensing to established (and referenced) historical fact.Jacobisq (talk) 08:08, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. Maximus' main historical impact is his elevated role in British legend and literature. It would be a disservice to the reader to not cover them. Dimadick (talk) 06:29, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Urselius -- He plays a significant role in Welsh legends and the traditions of the founding of various Welsh dynasties.   I read in a book (I can't find it right now; maybe it was Leslie Alcock's Arthur's Britain: History and Archaeology A.D. 367-634) that it's probable that Magnus Maximus made local defense arrangements against the Picts and Saxons when he withdrew most Roman troops from Britain, and some of the chieftains he put in place for this purpose became founders of Welsh dynasties.  Whether he's the literal biological ancestor of any of them is presumably much more doubtful... AnonMoos (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

text: My understanding is the same as yours: The Kingdom of Galicia was subsumed into the Visigothic Kingdom long before the Moorish invasion, and the Reconquista began not from Galicia, but from Asturias (led by Don Pelayo).  AuH2ORepublican (talk) 22:13, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lots of problems 

message: I have moved this sentence here for clarification:
"It was on his orders that Priscillian and six companions became the first people in the history of Christianity to be executed for heresy, in this case of Priscillianism, by other Christians (though the civil charges laid by Maximus himself were for the practice of magic or "witchcraft", technically spiritual fraud by use of ventriloquism), citation:Hans-Josef Klauck, Brian McNeil Magic and paganism in early Christianity: the world of the Acts of the Apostles (2003), p.66 (added 2 August 2014)
* Nowhere in any sources is ventriloquism attributed to Priscillian.
* The source cited never mentions Priscillian, but rather a slave girl soothsayer St. Paul encountered, apparently in Philippi some three hundred years earlier.
* -If anyone can find a connection between the two, other than that ventriloquism has been viewed as magic, by all means restore it. Here's the link:  Mannanan51 (talk) 00:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ventriloquism??? 

message: The article does not explain why the Welsh legends have confused Maximus Magnus and Maxentius: his Welsh name Macsen is clearly a learned form of the latter name, as the former would be rendered something like Welsh *Maesyf. Fulgentian (talk) 07:41, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maxentius?