Talk:Standard language

message: Standard language is variety of a language that deprived of any deviances in phonology, garmmar and so forth. However, Does the use of the standard language can be really observable in everyday society, or maybe it is merely  the myth that we all speak correctly ?
:*Uh, I think generally speech is more standardized now than it has been through the history. I'd guess that would mean when people from different areas of a country or a language continuum meet, they generally get closer to the language found in TV and Newspapers to make themselves understood.
:*Obviously this depends on the language and the respective government policy. For example, the Finnish standard language is virtually the only language written or spoken on TV. There are no newscasters who would speak a dialect in the news. --Vuo 01:37, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: really observable?

message: I am editing the information about Portuguese, since it implies that the differences in stardard written Portuguese are much more substantial than they actually are. The actual difference is a little more significant than between the international varieties of English, and consist of:
* Brazilian lacks some silent consonants of Lusitan portuguese. E.g. contato (B) x contacto (L),  ação (B) x óptimo (L), ótimo (B) x óptimo (L)
* Brazilian uses the circumflex accent in some circumstances where Lusitan uses the acute accent, especially in proper names. E.g. anônimo (B) x anónimo(L), Antônio (B) x António (L). This corresponds also to a difference in pronunciation.
* Brazilian has some phonetic accent indications which lack in Lusitan portuguese, especially in double-vowel hiatuses -oo -ee and the open diphtong-hiatus -eia. E.g. idéia (B) x ideia (L), vôo (B) x voo (L), lêem (B) x leem (L)
* Brazilian uses the tréma diacritic to indicate synaeresis of the vowel u in a diphthong with i or e when preceeded by q or g. E.g. lingüiça (B) x linguiça (L), cinqüenta (B) x cinquenta (L).
And that's all. Readers of one of the varietes can read the other quite comfortably. SaintCahier 22:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese

message: I have edited the article to include information about the Portuguese language. I hope it is not controversial. 200.177.10.71 00:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Edits

message: The article says that " The pre-eminence of Parisian French has reigned largely unchallenged throughout the history of recent French literature. ". Although that is basically true, it should be noted that the Office Québécois de la Langue Française, although short of proposing any "new" written standard, has nevertheless recently standardized several "Canadianisms" that are not found in Parisian French, but are common in Québec French. Should the article include an explicit reference to that (relevant) fact ? 200.177.10.71 00:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Parisian French unchallenged ?

message: You're kidding. NEBRASKA? Nobody in the midwest talks 'normal'. Normal 'un-accented' english is what you hear on tv, and can therefore be referred to as a 'Hollywood' accent.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 02:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But people don't talk that way in Hollywood.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 06:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard American is from WHERE? 

message: Purposly or not, in your list of examples of standard and non-standard languages, you've missed one of the most obvious examples in SE Europe - Serbocroatian language, with its standards: Serbian, Croatian, Montenegrin and Bosnian (and very possibly very soon-Bunjevac). Even though the differences between these politicaly existing 'standards' of Serbocroatian language are minor(2-3%), and certainly much less than the differences between the italian dialects for example, because of the meaningless hatred and poinless propaganda from the western side of this language's area, they are now theirown 'standards', recognized by not any serious scientific factor in the world. Anyway, it's rediculous what's going on with this beautiful language, all this partition is senseless and pathetic, and hopefully it will be replaced soon by a reasonable unification like it's always been and like it's a case in all civilized countries or unions like EU.
Regards and cheers:)).24.86.110.10 (talk) 06:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: @ 202.134.14.156 (talk) 12:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  You missed the example of the 4 standards of SerboCroatian Language. 

message: What is the criterion to say that four varieties of Spanish are "transnational"? Rioplatense Spanish and Caribbean Spanish are transnational varieties, but why are Mexican Spanish and Castillian Spanish transnational? Mexican Spanish is clearly the one spoken in Mexico and could be called a single variety of Spanish even though there are many different varieties of Mexican Spanish. But it is spoken nowhere outside Mexico. In the same way, Castillian Spanish is spoken nowhere outside Spain, so why is it "transnational"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.156.43.151 (talk) 21:56, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Four transnational dialects of Spanish?

message: This article claims that many languages have pluricentric, and even goes as far as to name their standards as:
* Pluricentric Standard Arabic
* Pluricentric Standard Persian
* Pluricentric Standard French
* Pluricentric Standard German
* etc.
Etc.  But none of these terms are used outside of Wikipedia.  None of those four languages are even clearly pluricentric.  For each, one could argue that there is a single standard, and then various regional varieties, or that the standardised parts have one standard (e.g. the spelling) and the other aspects are simply not standardised.
Pluricentrism is never certain, and this article is abusing the term by applying it to languages without any consensus.  I'd suggest almost completely removing references to "pluricentrism" from this article (I'd do it myself but I've done a lot of clean-up recently and am a bit tired of it). Gronky (talk) 14:07, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight given to pluricentrism 

message: Why is Persian out of order on the chart?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I propose that Nonstandard dialect should be merged into Standard language. The two concepts are closely related, as nonstandard dialects include most dialects that are not considered standard. Currently, the term nonstandard appears only in the See also section of Standard language. Furthermore, Nonstandard dialect is short and cites only a single source. Thus, both articles would be improved by merging, at least until such time as Nonstandard dialect grows beyond its current treatment. Cnilep (talk) 03:38, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that "nonstandard dialect" is not a coherent topic, but that stub may not have much to contribute to this article.  Perhaps Dialect#Standard and non-standard dialect would be a better target.  Kanguole 14:20, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

text: I disagree. The concept of nonstandard dialects is a pretty rich area of study in linguistics, particularly sociolinguistics. Request expansion if you'd like, but it strikes me as odd to merge it into the article that covers its very opposite. — Æµ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 05:30, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose merger 

message: Currently this article has two different styles of footnotes. Some references use  to make short footnotes in the text, which work conjunction with citations in the section 'Bibliography'. Other references enclose the citations in <ref> tags, which has the effect of putting the full footnote in the 'References' section. Either citation style is acceptable, as both are used elsewhere on Wikipedia. Within a single article, though, one or the other should be selected, and all of the references made consistent. Cnilep (talk) 03:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's realistic to ask for such a level of consistence in a WP page. Sorry. --Jotamar (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet WP:Citing sources asks that "citations within any given article should follow a consistent style." Cnilep (talk) 01:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's not that big of an ask. — Æµ§œš¹ [lɛts b̥iː pʰəˈlaɪˀt] 03:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is a mixture of short footnotes made with sfn and full footnotes made with ref tags 

message: Any way we can simply replace  into something like  and keep the technical jargon to just the body of the article. Does anyone object to my, or have feedback for me, making edits in this sentence? Wolfdog (talk) 16:39, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of those terms is discussed in the body of the article, so it is difficult to justify retaining them in the introduction. Kanguole 17:32, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Open paragraph, part 2