Talk:Association football culture

message: Hi
I've decided to start this talk page about the revisions to local derby list - this was supposed to be a famous derby list, with the matches being from a general consensus of web pages of the most notable ones. Any new changes were supposed to be handled into the linked Local derby page.
On the last revision by 62.214.230.57 the Al-Ahly - Zamalek game has been taken out.  Can anyone explain why this has been done?
Master Of Ninja 20:46, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions to local derby

message: Hi again
This article has come a long way from where it started.  Unfortunately Wikipedia is now complaining the article may be too long for comfortable viewing. So where once this article had to be split off from the main football (soccer) topic, it may be time to move sections to articles of their own.  At the same time it may be good to re-organise sections, as well as re-edit them just to make them flow.  Comments or suggestions? - Master Of Ninja 17:55, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. A lot of bits-and-pieces have been added to this article over a fairly short time (obviously a popular topic!), making it long and somewhat clunky. It could do with a good clean-up, removal of questionable/POV material, and heirachy re-order. Cheers, --Daveb 07:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganisation of the article 

message: There should probably be an article, about gamesmanship in football, or perhaps that should be ungentlemanly conduct. Also some stuff about goal celebrations. Jooler 17:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I created an article on goal celebration. Mark272 03:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Diving

message: The wiki edit page lists this page is over 35k and should be cut down. From an organisational point of view it does need to be a bit streamlined. Does anybody have ideas of how to go about this? We already have a subpage for a lot of sections, but other sections might need it. Plus I think a lot of the info is unneeded - we need criteria of what can be included and what not. A lot of information is just unnecessary miscellaenous overhead at the moment, and I don't think the article should be a list of everything on a particular topic. Comments? - Master Of Ninja 20:18, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to limit articles to 32k anymore. The original reason for such limits was because on some older browsers couldn't keep more than 32k of text in the edit buffer. For those very few who are still using these older browsers the problem is no longer of any major concern as articles can now be edited in sections. So I wouldn't worry. We have many articles larger than 32k. Football is 52k. WWII is 91k. Jooler 02:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cutting down article 

message: If anyone is interested, the previous versions of Players and politic and Clubs and politic (currently are both redirects to here) contain some material that might be interesting according to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Links between politics and football, and that could possibly be merged here. - Liberatore(T) 18:32, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD and merge 

message: There seems to be far too much about misbehaviour on here. Mostly centred on Premier League players and including stuff that was later found to be untrue. Jooler 03:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think like all articles it eventually degenerates into a list of 'news items' where everyone adds what they think is their own (personal) most important bit of information. When the article was first written I think there was some scandal about Premiership players, and a bit about the more famous misbehaviour cases as examples. One problem is that there are obviously more English contributors, so English news gets more priority. We need others to rebalance this.  However we actually need criteria for inclusion into the article.  Any thoughts on this, or any ideas on what parts of the section to cull? - Master Of Ninja 08:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misbehaviour

message: "An example of this was the Italian player Paolo Di Canio who, while not given an award, was congratulated in many sections of the football world for a very generous display of "Fair Play""
Di Canio ? Fair play ? I guess it's a joke. Kekel 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever he did before or after, the example was quite an unexpected display of fair play for him.  AFAIK (or remember) I actually thought UEFA made a special fair play award just for him. - Master Of Ninja 20:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He got a letter from Sepp Blatter, see this BBC article: . But Radebe already had that year's award --iamajpeg 21:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Play 

message: Seems to me this article should include some history of this particular ritual. Janko 06:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trading jerseys at end of match 

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message: In my opinion, the article stresses disproportionately the negative or questionable aspects of football culture. It seems to be highly reflecting and confirming typical American prejudices about the sport.Rudefuss (talk) 18:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stress on negative aspects 

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message: Should there be some detailed inclusion of the use of promotion and relegation in football, or is this something that is already better served in another article? Cheers. Jay eyem (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Section? 

message: I want to delete this entire section. Almost every reference to any religious topic is in scare quotes ("immortal", "legendary", "god", generally linkified to point to a real thing rather than what it is: a hyperbolic term once favoured by radio announcers.
* There's nothing especially religious about chanting, singing, dancing. These are just things that people do when they gather in groups.
* The fact that there are no holy texts should simply go; there's no need to list all of the things that are present in some religion, but not present in football culture. 
* Travelling a long distance is not a pilgramage; long journeys are sometimes referred to metaphorically as pilgramages, but it's a figure of speech. You could argue that not all pilgrims are religious pilgrims. But then you should qualify the word pilgramage (i.e. "football pilgrimage"); but then the paragraph would make no sense.
* The use of symbols is not something that links football and religion, any more than it links religion to corporations, political parties, bands of musicians, bands of thieves, teams of bridge players, or any other group that wants to distinguish itself; they all deploy symbols. And let's just avoid the fact that most symbols are not just pictures or labels; they are also supposed to somehow invoke their spirit or meaning. 
* Some players and some fans can sometimes be observed performing religious acts such as praying or crossing themselves; but also some people who are not involved with football can also be seen doing that. For example, some people who climb scaffolding for a job can be seen doing that. Like, I can't stick a [citation required] on this, because it's trivially true. It's a waste of time reading it.
* The entire section is basically a citation-free zone. The citations that are present are useless. That in itself is grounds for deletion.
I'll come back no sooner than one month from now. If things are no better, and if nobody is  talking to me here, then I'll go ahead and delete the section (but if you want me to hold off, just say so; I don't mean to sound heavy). 
I've never really been interested in football. I came here to find some discussion of how British football afficionados 'hear' the term "soccer". I am British, and I mostly use the word "soccer". Is it simply an americanism? I use many americanisms.
If you want to comment but it doesn't belong here, feel free to use my talk page. MrDemeanour (talk) 18:37, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I should add that I think there's a lot more that should be removed. A lot of the article reads like then kind of vacuous verbiage that sports journalists are paid to produce (or for that matter, that pop journos are paid to produce). The number of citable facts, as a proportion of the total words, is way too low. Come on, this isn't The Daily Express, it's supposed to be an encyclopaedia.
MrDemeanour (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion