Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who/Archive 10

message: I've changed the heading on  to read Whoniverse character instead of "Doctor Who character" since we're dealing with a wider field now. Do discuss if there are any problems with this. As an addendum, do we want to change  as well? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can the  be changed as well, as there is already an article for the weevil? — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, although now comes the tricky part of whether not to rename :Category:Doctor Who races, which may entail lots of editing... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 13:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about putting :Category:Doctor Who races in a category called :Category:Whoniverse races and putting the weevils in that? It would save recategorising all the races, maybe create a Torchwood races category too? I don't know! — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you go through WP:CFD, won't a bot do the hard work for you? Percy Snoodle 14:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd rather not name it Whoniverse monsters and aliens as that would exacerbate the bloat problem. We can always start a List of Torchwood monsters and aliens if it comes down to it, eventually (or not - right now we can just have the individual monsters mentioned within the episode articles, with the exception of recurring ones like the Weevils). Renaming :Category:Doctor Who races to :Category:Whoniverse races via a bot sounds like a better option. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:21, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't it be better to keep the words Doctor Who character and create a seperate template for torchwood characters. There is only one char which will be a problem - Jack Harkness? I really dislike the term Whoniverse to be frank. Tim! 11:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I merely dislike the proliferation of templates where it isn't necessary. Then there's Benny, and Jason Kane, and Irving Braxiatel... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They've all been in Doctor Who proper ;) Anyway it should be possible to put in a field to display whatever we want the header Tim! 11:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. This might actually be workable. Any other thoughts on this? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really like this idea too it seems to be the best suggestion so far. Eventually we will have to have the ability to have Sarah Jane Adventures character too. But what about K-9 Adventures? We don't even know if this will be set in the Whoniverse yet. --GracieLizzie 22:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I foresee a problem when dealing with people that straddle several series, like Benny, Jason, Brax, etc. --22:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as how Torchwood etc are all  derived from Doctor Who (the television programme) and Whoniverse is fan reference more than an outside reference I would keep Doctor Who in the Category and template names and make the distinction as necessary within articles and infoboxes if the item in question is actually from a book or programme other than DW on TV. GraemeLeggett 10:22, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Doctorwhocharacter template

message: I've just been having a look at , and it seems to me that   (or ) would be a useful subcategory for it and for . I'd have gone ahead and made one straight off, but thought I'd defer to people involved in the articles in question here. The naming's a bit tricky though - my first suggestion is in line with the Featured Article, but the second is more in line with the poarent category. Any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 00:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there's no adverse comments in the next couple of days I'll go ahead with it, using the first name. Grutness...wha? 23:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Done, and populated. It took almost half of the articles that were in ! Grutness...wha? 08:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Lost BBC episodes 

message: I think character articles should be entitled Doctor (Whoniverse), Master (Whoniverse) etc., as "Doctor Who" and "Torchwood" are used in episode titles. In Stargate articles, "Stargate" is used for characters and races whilst "Stargate SG-1" and "Stargate Atlantis" are used for episodes.--Codenamecuckoo 10:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Master and the Doctor only appear in Doctor Who and not Torchwood, your suggested disambiguation could be confusing. Tim! 11:20, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Tim. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it's used in the Infoboxes.--Codenamecuckoo 19:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion so is Buffyverse. But anyway I prefer (Doctor Who) and (Torchwood) to (Whoniverse) because Doctor Who and Torchwood are both more well known than Whoniverse (although Whoniverse isn't obscure in the fandom, it is to outsiders). When their is something that requires a disambiguation bracket in it's article title then the parent show of the the subject of the article should be used e.g. K-9 (Doctor Who) rather than K-9 (K-9 and Company) (though will the K-9 of K-9 Adventures get his own article? He looks to be a completely different K-9 altogether). --GracieLizzie 19:55, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not mad about the use of "Whoniverse" in the infoboxes, frankly.  Is "Doctor Who universe" too wordy?  "Whoniverse" just doesn't sound very encyclopedic to me. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whoniverse rather than Doctor Who

message: I suggest creating an article for all or most of the minor characters in the series eg Suzie Costello, the Cyberwoman, etc--SGCommand (talk • contribs) 12:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Created List of Torchwood villains.~ZytheTalk to me! 14:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I created List of Torchwood supporting characters, before I saw this discussion but also before List of Torchwood villains was created. I didn't know what to call the page so I named it after the Doctor Who page. It's got Suzie and Rhys on it. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay we really need to discuss who to add and where, Suzie is on both pages and I feel she should only be on one. Also when is a person too significant for these minor character pages, and is their a time when their too insignificant for even those? I've added PC Andy to the supporting characters page because as a two episode character he struck me as significant enough to be written about but too insignificant for his own article. However I'd like to raise the question of one-episode protagonists and antagonists - Suzie should stay but what about Carys, Ed Morgan, Burnie? Perhaps we should include them but then we could end up with people like "Little Girl on Trampoline", and "Tom Flanagan's Daughter" being added which we don't want.  --GracieLizzie 21:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think perhaps any villains who aren't monsters or aliens should be listed as supporting characters, maybe? Or maybe all the aliens, monsters, villains and other characters could go on one page because it's not going to get anywhere near as big as the Doctor Who lists. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 22:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torchwood Minor characters/villains/whatever 

message: WP:TRIVIA and Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles explains it best, but I will say a few things about it as well. Either trim the trivia sections, put notable things in the article or remove the trivia section itself. This doesn't just apply to sections named trivia, it applies to "notes" sections as well. If it's a long list of random notes: it's probably a trivia section. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a guide to trivia, and not a guide to every little note. RobJ1981 19:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I posted a response to your comment on the Trivia Project page, but I'll restate it here - some of us agree, to a point, and have been working on this. Your tone comes across as a bit bossy, but I'll assume good faith. In any event, there's been lots of discussion about it - see here, for example. --Brian Olsen 21:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just change it from "Trivia" into ==Casting==, ==Continuity== and possibly ==Music== or whatever else is necessary. No big deal. ~ZytheTalk to me! 02:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that's been started on the original series (see The Daleks for the best example), but it does seem to have stalled lately. (I haven't had much time to work on it myself.) --Brian Olsen 15:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia problems on Doctor Who episode articles

message: Opinions on this? I'm not sure that there are any established ships that are notable enough to warrant this kind of article (unlike other science fiction series). Am I being overly paranoid in sniffing AfD fodder? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 00:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure.  Perhaps if cited information about the creation and design of the ship models could be provided, that might help in providing an out-of-universe perspective — a few designs, like the Jagaroth ship in City of Death, might be notable by science-fiction design criteria, and I think I've seen comments from folks like Mat Irvine about building props like these.  It's true that Doctor Who has never been as focused on the technical aspects of spaceships in the way that the Star Trek series have (look at all the sub-articles at List of Star Trek ships!), but a few of the designs might be noteworthy. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Star Trek is a different kettle of fish; as in every incarnation of Trek, spaceships form an enormous part of every story and often as important (and, occasionally, more important) than the human(oid) characters in the story. As for the Doctor Who ships list, well, I'm not sure that there's much there that wouldn't be found in the List of Doctor Who items anyway. But Josiah has a point - the Jagoroth ship (and perhaps a couple of others) are indeed interesting enough to be noticed. - NP Chilla 16:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We should have a look at the ships in the list to see what's important and what's not. If there are too few to warrant the artcle, AfD it and turn the few items into separate articles; otherwise, just trim the list down. --JB Adder | Talk 06:50, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Doctor Who ships]]

message: Ebyabe and me created the corresponding articles as A Day in the Life, 2040, &c, but what I was wondering is: what do we do about the short-stories themselves? 
Quite frankly, if the editor(s) actually read them, I do feel that they can be their own individual article as much right as anything listed along Category:Science fiction stories. This would also be awfully handy in creating an article for the Other Doctors article (i.e. for the Unbound). DrWho42 06:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I'm of two minds on this.  On the one hand, it might be nice for completeness' sake, but on the other hand I really wonder whether Doctor Who short stories are anything near as notable as, say, "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" or "Nightfall".  I'm not sure what the notability criteria for short stories are.  Anybody know? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Big Finish Short Trips]] and the Short Trips Themselves. 

message: Should we mention this somewhere? Even though it's a bit odd, given that two of its three co-creators were Canadian and Scottish respectively; its first writer and theme tune composer were both Australians; its first director was Indian; the creator of its most popular icon was a Welshman, and the show is now made in Wales, predominantly by Welsh persons. Angmering 07:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should probably be mentioned in the main Doctor Who article, either in the lead or under "Public consciousness". A link to the ICONS page would probably be nice in the "external links" section, too — even if the site gets the name of the first episode wrong and seems to think that Mickey is still travelling with the Doctor... —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already under the category of "British cultural icons", and indeed one of the reasons cited by RTD for its success abroad is its "Britishness". Perhaps we should just let it be British - after all, we wouldn't want to upset the lovely Welsh dudes who run the show... would we? - NP Chilla 10:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The British cultural icons category was deleted some time back. Tim! 07:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. So it has. Didn't know that. Thanks. - NP Chilla 12:02, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English cultural icon?

message: Whoipedia – how about that? Joker1138
: Drop the I Who-pedia xD An Apple a day keeps -The Doctor- Away.. Or does it! (talk)(contribs) 18:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion makes no sense. --Jamdav86 17:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Have you chosen a name yet?

message: This conversation began on the talk page for Rose, and I thought we should move it here to get some more input. There's been an effort to move items away from the Trivia section into the actual body of the episode articles, and the debate is over what the names should be for the various article sections, and what order they should be in, with the goal of adding them to the Project page style guide. This would apply to both the classic and new series.
Here's a list of the most common section headers that have been used so far - items on the same "bullet" are alternate titles for essentially the same type of section.
*Synopsis
*Plot
*Cast (with a subheading of "Cast notes")
*Continuity
*Outside references; Popular culture allusions
*Historical details
*Production
*Alternative titles
*Music
*Broadcast; Broadcast and releases; DVD and video release; Ratings and DVD release
*In print
*Trivia
In addition, there are "as needed" sections for topics appropriate for a particular episode or serial - for example, Susan's telepathy or Parallel universes in Doctor Who.
The list above is my proposed order for the sections - it's not quite what I've been doing, but it incorporates somewhat the order Khaosworks has been using. "Plot" is the first main section - after that would come the cast (and any cast notes), then other sections that are somewhat "in universe" - continuity issues (including references to other Who stories); notable non-Who or popular culture reference; and historical details (for any shows set in Earth's past). After that comes the out-of-universe sections - the production of the episode; alternative or working titles used (mostly relevant for the classic series); music; the actual transmission of the episode (including ratings, and any home-video releases); novelizations; and finally the (hopefully much smaller) trivia section. Any additional episode specific sections could be slotted in wherever appropriate.
Any thoughts on the order? Any thoughts on the naming of sections? Should "outside references" and "popular culture allusions" remain two distinct sections, or is there a better all-encompassing name? And should the section on broadcast and releases be split up - perhaps into "Broadcast and ratings" and "DVD and video release", or is there one name to include all of it that doesn't sound horribly awkward?
Sorry for the epic post - I just wanted to lay everything out in a (hopefully) clear and thorough manner. --Brian Olsen 19:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer "Broadcast and releases" to the others, I am not sure about "Outside references"/"Popular culture allusions" though. --GracieLizzie 19:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aaaaaaaand...nobody else cares. I'm going to go ahead and start making some changes to the episode pages based on this, then, but I won't make a change to the style guide without some more discussion. And anything I change can always be changed back if people don't like it... --Brian Olsen 23:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Section headers for episode articles

message: I've (finally!!) finsihed the Plot section of City of Death - if I'm not mistaken, does that mean that every single TV story now has an adequite Plot section? - NP Chilla 01:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No hang on, I'm wrong - The Robots of Death is still not done. I'll get onto it. - NP Chilla 12:50, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Death = finished!! 

message: I've observed that there was a very small trend of reverting between "Doctor Who race" and "Whoniverse race" on the  template. The arguments I've observed are "it's not just Doctor Who" and "there is no consensus to use a neologism". However, to counter both points, some characters are just Doctor Who (at least for now) and Whoniverse has been a well used term for a long time, and is comparable to Buffyverse. Should we attempt to find a consensus on the use of this term in templates? "Doctor Who and Torchwood" or "Doctor Who and spin-offs" are a bit long, and just "Doctor Who" can frequently be innacurate. Vote? ~ZytheTalk to me! 14:43, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoniverse is a fan term, keep it to fannish encyclopaedias. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And "Buffyverse" isn't a fan term? It seems clear and practical enough to me -- with practicality being the biggest concern. Anyone who's reading a Doctor Who encyclopedia on the Internet should be able to decipher from context what "Whoniverse" means. --71.139.9.136 00:37, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The situation has been resolved for the moment on the templates with the "series" field. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus 

message: Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 15:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Question - why is the a whole table in the category text turning it into a "list of... " as well as a category? GraemeLeggett 09:52, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD notice 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: Dalek is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 15:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Dalek]]

message: Jacd has created pages for Hooded man, Robert MacLeish, and Father Angelo - should these be deleted or changed to redirects to Tooth and Claw? Hooded man certainly seems too vague to be a redirect. --Brian Olsen 20:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirect to Tooth and Claw and Hood respectively. Use  if they are unredirected? ~ZytheTalk to me! 21:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New [[Tooth and Claw (Doctor Who)|Tooth and Claw]] related pages

message: Okay, the last time the conversation kind of petered out and I thought that Tim and I had come to a modus vivendi about the  template, i.e. with the addition of the "series" parameter we could substitute whatever term we could use. Hence, we could have "Whoniverse character" for characters that straddle several series, like Sarah Jane Smith, Bernice Summerfield, Irving Braxiatel, et al. Now,  is reverting that for Sarah's article. Can we try to come to a decision as to what's appropriate for these kinds of characters? --09:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Doctor Who universe" may just be appropriate at a stretch; Your average reader will not know what a "Whoniverse" is unless they take the time to do a little research, secondly it is a fanish word, thirdly there is no T.V show called "Whoniverse" (nor is there one called "Doctor Who universe" - but still it is much better than "Whoniverse") - Fourthly an abbreviation may be appropriate (again.. at a stretch.. i.e. "Doctor Who/TSJA") thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:33, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also not fond of the term "Whoniverse".  I don't like the abbrevation idea either, but Doctor Who Universe character sounds OK to me. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 09:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, someone needs to file a CFD to move the category from "Whoniverse characters" to "Doctor Who Universe characters". --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whoniverse characters (again)

message: Just a quick note to all you wikipedians who are taking care of the Doctor Who pages User:NP Chilla is going through each show abd changing the notes section into a trivia section. My understanding is that wikipedia is trying to move away from trivia headers and incorporating this info into the body of the article. This is hard to do on the Dr Who pages and so I assumed that naming them notes, continuity etc was a compromise. If I am wrong about this than pardon my taking up your time, but, if this is the case, I am posting this to try and save both Chilla and whoever will have to go and revert all of the pages back some work. Thanks for your attention. MarnetteD | Talk 22:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, NP Chilla is correct - there was a  previous discussion about this very topic, and the consensus seemed to be to change "Notes" to "Trivia," as it's more accurate ("Notes" on Wikipedia generally referring to references and/or footnotes). You are correct, however, that the goal is then to try and reduce said "Trivia" sections as much as possible, deleting the truly trivial and moving the rest into main sections of the articles. --Brian Olsen 22:40, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks you for the note Brian Olsen. My mistake and I will go and change back the ones I reverted in error. MarnetteD | Talk 22:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia versus Notes sections

message: With series 2 now confirmed I've started the Torchwood WikiProject, WP:TORCHWOOD. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without wanting to sound like I'm pouring cold water on the idea, do we need a separate Wikiproject for it? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why don't we ? We have a WikiProject for Doctor Who, to me it was a temporary measure having it within the 'Who project, and I actually held of beginning a separate project till a 2nd series was confirmed, now it has, the amount of content and the amount of contributors to me makes it project worthy. Also Terence, you can participate in it if you would like to, just because you did not create it does not mean there is some sort of force field preventing you ;-) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 15:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, don't get me wrong — it's not a matter of who's creating what or whether it's "project worthy". And also, I don't think that anyone else really considered Torchwood being in the Who project as a "temporary measure". To my mind, it's a question of duplication of resources since right now we've got identical styles of editing, guidelines, et al. and identical editors to both sets of subjects. It's like saying we need a separate Wikiproject for Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis, or separate Buffy and Angel Wikiprojects. Which, actually, we don't. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 15:53, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: WP:BUFFY manages just fine with all its workload. I fail to see how 13 episodes of a show and 13 prospective episodes could create enough work for an entire project which is so firmly intertwined with WP:WHO it might as well be a redirect, since all the characters/themes belong to both.~ZytheTalk to me! 16:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. 26 out of 700+ episodes isn't going to put any sort of strain on resources, and maintains a consistent approach. I'd wager that most people automatically considered Torchwood to be part of the Who project, much like any of the other related shows, novels, and so on. --Ckatzchatspy 17:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely saw Torchwood as being encompassed by the Doctor Who wikiproject in the same way Angel is covered by WikiProject Buffyverse and Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Stargate Infinity and the original movie (and the spinoff novels) are all covered by WP:STARGATE too and Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek covers not only TOS but TNG, DS9, VOY, Enterprise the movies and the non-canon stuff like the novels and the animated series. --GracieLizzie 17:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with everyone else: there's not really any need for a separate Torchwood WikiProject.  The two programmes are very closely related, and there hasn't been time for them to develop different fanbases yet.  It seems to me like a needless duplication of effort, and could result in unnecessary conflicts. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torchwood project 

message: To give some coherency to the many little sf-oriented communities on Wikipedia.--ragesoss 20:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New WikiProject: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Science Fiction]]

message: Hello, all. We've just recently started a Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Short story task force and found that the categories for the Doctor Who books, etc., tend to all fall under the :Category:Short stories, which is kind of confusing things for the Short stories group. Our specific intention is to focus on short stories, and the best way to do that is to focus on the :Category:Short stories. But when that category contains works which are not short stories, things get confusing. Could any of you possibly see if these categories could be placed in as subcategories elsewhere, and help us get rid of this confusion? Thanks. Badbilltucker 14:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who novels categories 

message: It would seem  and I are having a disagreement about the Whoniverse article. I don't think he understand how it flows and what the "features" section is supposed to cover. I explained this to him on my talk page but he continues to re-add a poor paragraph which looks out of place and has no merit in the article. Behold.
Opinion or comment, anyone? ~ZytheTalk to me! 23:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've said my piece on Talk:Whoniverse, for what it's worth. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Likewise. --Brian Olsen 05:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Edits to [[Whoniverse]] 

message: I think we're coming to a more consistent look to breaking up the previous "Notes"/"Trivia" sections into various categories. Can we agree that this particular order of sections be followed to keep the look consistent, i.e. can these amendments be made to the style guide:
:The general sequence of sections for episode/story articles should be:
:Lead section: A general description of what the episode/serial is and when it was first broadcast.
:Synopsis: A teaser Synopsis with no spoiler content.
:Plot: A more fully detailed Plot with spoiler warning and a single screenshot.
:Cast: Following on-screen cast list, with the name of the character followed by an em dash (— or —) followed by the name of the actor
::Cast notes: Notes regarding casting or cast members.
:In print: Details of novelisations (including audio books)
:Continuity: Notes related to in-universe continuity, with subsections if warranted.
:Production: Production and out-of-universe notes (missing episodes would be a subsection)
::Music: Notes on music and songs used in the story
:Outside references: References to things outside of the Doctor Who universe.
:Broadcast and video (or DVD) releases: Notes on broadcasting, ratings, reactions, and any releases
:External links: Various external links including links to the various reference sites and reviews from Outpost Gallifrey and the Doctor Who Ratings Guide.
:Subsections can be added to any main section to organise specific points, if warranted (for example, "Susan's telepathy" or "Parallel universes in Doctor Who").
Unless there are any objections/amendments over the next couple of days, I'll make the amendments as above. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. As I said before, I've no strong attachment to the order, I just like it consistent. May I suggest something about additional miscellaneous subsections as needed, if relevent to a particular episode? (My usual examples being Susan's telepathy or Parallel universes in Doctor Who.) --Brian Olsen 05:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's why I noted "subsections if warranted" under "Continuity". On reflection, subsections if warranted could be added to any main section, so I'll add a general note to that effect. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 05:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great to me.  I wish I had the time to help out with this, but my Wikipedia time these days is being eaten by a particularly legalistic ArbCom case. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As an additional modification, on hindsight music probably belongs as a subsection of Production. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 08:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The subsections comment looks good, and I agree about Music as a subsection of Production. I, too, wish I could dive in a bit more, but the outside world stubbornly refuses to acknowledge the time I need to devote to Wikipedia (and when I am here, I spend too much time monitoring the ArbCom case Josiah mentioned). --Brian Olsen 16:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, References sections aren't automatically generated: you have to create the section manually and put in the  tag, so as long as we keep naming it "Outside references", there shouldn't be a conflict. But yeah, I'll add a mention of that section. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 09:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand; I wasn't referring to a technical conflict, just the awkwardness of using "references" in two ways in the section titles.  It's a minor niggle; I was just hoping for another way of saying "Outside references". Percy Snoodle 10:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. I honestly can't think of anything better off-hand, but hey, if someone does come up with one... --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode articles structure

message: Just a quick note that I've cleaned up the article for upcoming BBC7 audio companion Lucie Miller and added it to the WikiProject.  It's still at a rough starting stage, and ready for improvement by people with more info and time than I've got. Rob T Firefly 10:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lucie Miller 

message: I and various other members of the Wikipedia community are incredibly cross that the contents of the monsters and aliens page suffers constant change and needs to be sorted. Below is my list of who should be on the page (in no order); please list your opinions below:
*Face of Boe
*Racnoss
*Sycorax
*Reapers
*Slitheen
*Forest of Cheem
*Krillitanes
*Werewolf
*Ood
*Sisters of Plenitude
*Gelth
*Auton
*Gas Mask People
*Zarbi
*Menoptera
*Monoids
*Ice Warriors
*Fish People
*Daemon
*Tractator
*Sea Devil
*Silurian
*Nimon
*Mandrel
*Krynoid
*Zygon
*Sontaran
*Exxilons 
::I'm sorry that you're "incredibly cross", but I don't really understand what you're so cross about.  Perhaps your concerns would be better addressed at Talk:List of Doctor Who aliens and monsters. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you've got nothing nice to say then dont say it.
*Xdt 23:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to be mean — I was honestly confused, and didn't think this page was the best place for the discussion.  No need to get your nose out of joint. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dr Who Monsters and Aliens

message: I've just started writing The Nightmare of Black Island. I haven't got a cover yet, and so (unwilling to get my scanner out) I looked at the DWRG. This cover is different to my cover. The cover on my book has Rose on the right in a padded jacket. My version of the book says it has been reprinted with a different cover. Which do we use on the page? --Thelb4 09:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Nightmare of Black Island 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:15, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia Day Awards

message: Any thoughts on this template? You can see it in action on the Susan Foreman article. —Jonathan D. Parshall (Talk | contribs) 19:43, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate the work that obviously went into it, and as a big Who-geek and organization-freak it's the sort of thing I personally love, but I'm worried that it's a bit busy for every companion page. What I mean is, do we really need to know, on Susan's article, how long Steven was a companion and in what serials he appeared? And for the casual reader I'm worried it might be a little confusing. Maybe a straight-forward succession box instead? --Brian Olsen 21:34, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Template:Firstdoctorcompanions]]

message: do i just put me name on the Participants list?
--I.W 21:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup! WikiProjects are essentially just collections of editors interested in a particular topic. Declare yourself a member, and you are one! --Brian Olsen 21:30, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Go ahead. --Jamdav86 14:24, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Horray thx--I.W 15:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How do I become a member?

message: i noticed that on WP:UBX had this:
Does this WikiProject have one? --I.W 16:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: --Jamdav86 16:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: userbox