Talk:History of education

message: "Since Adam and Eve"? - so we're definitely not talking about science education here.
And spell check would be nice.152.14.218.4 (talk) 20:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: * The Islamic World -  School
* Ancient Greece
Well before Islam and Greece, there were academic institutions in Mesopatamia. Certainly, teh Persian empire was considered more civilised than the Greek empire at the Greco-Persian wars. Tourskin 23:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing civilizations

message: I think the history is missing important early milestones, such as the creation of Plato's Academy, and early methods, such as apprenticeship.  There was much that happened before the creation of the UniversitṚǍ⅔y of Bolgna that influenced the field.  The article seems too short to cover all that happened to change the field of education and doesn't seem to adequately tell the story of how it got to where it is today.
: Ideally what this article needs is a section covering education in the classical world (Egypt/Greece/Rome etc), a section on Islam (to go with Europe/China/Japan/India) and then small sub-sections in each section covering the modern history of education in individual countries (1800-2000). 62.25.106.209 12:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Europe: More in depth

message: There's a lot in this article that's just plain wrong...
:It's slightly improved now...195.92.40.49 12:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where the hell is Persia mentioned? 47.198.8.213 (talk) 02:25, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

message: I stumbled across while disambiguating a reference.   So far, this article appears to be no more than the sum of its individual parts, and I consider that it may be more sensible to develop some of those articles, rather than trying to maintain a generic article on the worldwide "history of education" as distinct from more specific articles on primary, secondary, and tertiary (further and higher) education.  --Lang rabbie 22:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this article really necessary?

message: The entire section on education in the USA looks like it's copied word for word from this site  Note even the section headings are the same! 71.126.174.235 (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Probable plagiarism

message: As I understand it, the history of education is changed through the establishment of a centralized education system in Napoleonic France, with examinations and placement in government.  This merit-based system later influenced other nations.  Am I wrong? Pittsburgh Poet (talk) 13:00, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing About France? 

message: This article deals with an important subject but does so very poorly.  It is largely unstructured and lacks any overall perspective. It needs to commence with an Introduction, move on to an Outline (i.e. Overview or Summary), and only after those sections would deal with the details of particular countries and regions of the world.  
The subject is such a large one that the sections dealing with the detailed history of education in each a particular country or areas should be in separate articles, which would be linked from this article
Currently, the article leaps away into national/geographical/cultural sections without addressing other perspectives. There are many other strands into which the history can be categorised or described. Examples are the historic links between education and wealth, education and gender, education and cultural tradition, education and religion (the current article does deal with this topic but in a piecemeal way), and so on. 
I would be willing to helping to overhaul the structure of the article, but I am a beginner at wiki. I am not an educational historian or a teacher. How do we flag the area and get a concerted effort going to fix what is really a disgrace
--AlotToLearn (talk) 01:11, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Badly structured - this article needs an major overhaul

message: I have spent three days trying to improve the structure and content of this article, and have taken into account points raised in this talk page by previous commentators
I believe it is now a much better article, but it is far from a good article and needs effort and expertise from others to improve it more.
I cannot spare any more time on it, so it must suffer whatever fate is decided!
--AlotToLearn (talk) 07:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New introduction and structure created for this article

message: An editor with an IP address today added the word "sexuality" to the second sentence of the article, after which the sentence read:
:"Education has taken place in most communities since earliest times as each generation has sought to pass on cultural and social values, traditions, morality, sexuality, religion, knowledge and skills to the next generation."
This seems to me to be controversial, and no footnote reference was given to justify the addition of this word to this list, so I have now removed the word. 
--AlotToLearn (talk) 09:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of sexuality from the introductory list of things that each generation seeks to pass on to the next 

message: I´m removing all the material backed up this this source.It´s an islamic website with self published content, and therefore, unreliable.--Knight1993 (talk) 18:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberistan 

message: One or more portions of this article duplicated other source(s). The material was copied from: http://eprints.mdx.ac.uk/3201/1/final_final_proof_Market_paper_050308.pdf and http://logica.ugent.be/albrecht/thesis/FOTFS2008-Heeffer.pdf. Infringing material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you.  Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: The Citation to " Bar-Ilan, M. "Illiteracy in the Land of Israel in the First Centuries C.E." in S. Fishbane, S. Schoenfeld and A. Goldschlaeger (eds.), "Essays in the Social Scientific Study of Judaism and Jewish Society", II, New York: Ktav, 1992, pp. 46-61" Is cute, but the argument is badly constructed, and not particularly convincing, especially if you know anything about the subject. The citation and "data" should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidmanheim (talk • contribs) 18:16, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Eastern Education and Jewish History

message: "The systematic provision of learning techniques to most children, such as literacy, has been a development of the last 150 or 200 years, or even last 50 years in some countries."
Where did you find this? There are not enough citations to even prove your introduction, let alone your article.
180.200.233.250 (talk) 05:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little to no citations 

message: Widespread adoption of formal systems of education is limited by the amount of information that can be transferred within a given society. Schools, which were truly public in nature, depended on the availability of printed books, and without a print press, teacher would have no permanent records of the subject to be shared with the students.
There are schools without buildings, but there are no schools without printed books (or electronic equivalency of books).
I would write about this, but I know very little about the topic.Tofoo (talk) 01:56, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this should be included. 80.212.44.121 (talk) 20:17, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: it's not true -- actual schools existed for many centuries before printing--including universities. Rjensen (talk) 20:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this article not mention Gutenberg or the invention of printpress? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Commonly regarded as a sensitive topic, colonial history is important in understanding the educational developments over the past few centuries.  There is a dearth in colonial educational history in India and Africa.  Just something to consider in the future.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minupol (talk • contribs) 19:45, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colonial Education 

message: Thank you for your previous involvement and watching this article. I came here chasing photographs that had been inserted into Education Articles out of context, and read the text. It is a curious  amalgam of style, and of content. Part of it is written like a portal, and parts like student essays on specific topics. Just from personal knowledge a lot of the assertions are inaccurate and downright confusing. Take a moment to research the comments I have made- and use those as a starting point. The problems start on line one by confusing education with the development of writing and then to confuse education with schooling. There are many approached to writing about English Education, if you don't wish to start with King's School, Rochester in 604, then you could start with Manchester Grammar School a late starter in 1515 that was founded as a free school. This is well documemnted on other parts of Wikipedia. My inclination is to delete the obvious mistakes, then concentrate on sorting out the structure. Where existing text is out of scope, or off focus spin it off to other articles- where sections are missing- that will be a lot of work. That is for another day. Ping me if I can be any help. ClemRutter (talk) 15:19, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: personal knowledge doesn't count here.  If you can IMPROVE the articled prove it by making actual additions instead of erasing other editors' hard work.  Rjensen (talk) 15:31, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: At this stage in an articles life, most improvements are done by evaluating the material, redirecting and often merging. It is important to read the responses to your edits, rather than just reverting. I have contributed by giving other editors and yourself some suggestions of a way forward. My role at the moment must remain advisory- as I am busy elsewhere on the project.ClemRutter (talk) 20:22, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New attempt to clean up this article

message: The first two sentences of the article are strange and not very encyclopedic.
"The quest for universal literacy is a development of the last 150–200 years." Uh, okay? I suppose that's related to the topic of education, but it's probably not the information that someone is seeking when they visit this page.
"Schools for the young have historically been supplemented with advanced training for priests, bureaucrats and specialists." Well, that's a nice little detail, but it feels like it belongs elsewhere in the article, not at the very introduction.
I would expect the article to begin with text such as, "The idea and practice of universal, compulsory public education developed gradually in Europe, from the early 16th century on into the 19th."
B.A.B.E. (talk) 20:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  First two sentences are confusing 

message: In ancient times 41.89.182.173 (talk) 12:29, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of education in Tanzania 

message: — Assignment last updated by BoyaJia666 (talk) 00:35, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: CMN2160B

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :History teacher and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at  until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Steel1943 (talk) 20:45, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "History teacher" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Education history 1 and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at  until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  Steel1943 (talk) 20:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Education history 1" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by AlexMHFD (talk) 21:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Library 100 - Critical Approaches to Information Research

message: In the section "After the 15th century" -> "Europe", there is a sub section for "England" and within it a section for "Scotland".
Should there be a section for "United Kingdom" instead with it having "England" and "Scotland" at the same level? Or maybe just a section for the United Kingdom that talks about both, since the text for "England" seems to mention Wales. PedroSheridan (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Create a section for the UK?