Talk:Zilla/Archive 1

message: This article contains too many Japanese terms that have English equivants.  There is no need to use terms like Kaiju (monster) or Showa (dating system).  Such terms merely make reading the article cumbersome for the non-otaku readers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.3.174.37 (talk) 12:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unnecessary use of Japanese Terms

message: Some one has been eliminating all the data off this page. I am asking nicely to stop it because they just made the article a stub and their edits did not seem practical in any fashion. I restored the page to where it was before the IP edited them. --Link25 07:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalsim 

message: As mentioned at the start of the article, rather than a reanimated or mutated dinosaur this incarnation of Godzilla is a mutation of some modern lizard. Should it really be listed among the Fictional dinosaurs? --Crazilla 08:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No he isn't regardless of what the Toho Gojiras are, the one on the Godzilla (98) is a mutated iguana.Strumf (talk) 18:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  dinosaur? 

message: I found an article that could be cited where it says that zilla has taken the god out of godzilla. http://www.monsterzero.us/editorials/editorials.php?catID=&subCatID=15&contentID=524
maybe someone could verify this?
I request citation for this sentence from the article: "The Final Wars Zilla lacked or did not use a breath weapon, and was described as being an irradiated desert lizard on a website listing Kaiju and their abilities." WHAT website? Without citation, the second statement should be removed. Crockalley 20:28, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation 

message: The myth that GINO's speed compensates for his hemophilia-like weakness should not be left to run amok on this page - despite the length of his footfalls, GINO was unable to catch a New York taxicab, and he was in a desparate rage while pursuing it, too! Godzilla could easily catch the same cab, despite the fact that his strides do not look like he is running, probably due to his greater size. For this reason, I am removing the "speed" comment.
And to all the wiseguys who like to point out that he "outran" the Apache helicopters, watch the movie again and take note of how long it takes the helicopters to travel around a city block. If you were an Apache pilot, you wouldn't travel much faster than 60 kmph in an enclosed area like Manhattan either.
*No kidding, but the fact remains that the apaches were moving faster than the cab was when they were engaging Zilla.  It's an inconsisency(one of many) within the movie, deal with it.  
:And please keep the soapbox out of the article.   Don't hate the Kaiju, hate the Movie.  Zilla's taken enough flak over the faults of the movie as opposed to it's own.  - SAMAS
**What do you mean, "They were moving faster?" How can you tell? It's been some time since I've seen this bomb of a movie, but if memory serves, you should be able to take note of when the nearest side of a building occupies a certain position on the Apache's HUD and time how long it takes for the far side of the building to occupy that same spot on the HUD. Then grab a map of Manhattan and if you can't verify that street and determine it's length, at least you can figure out the average block length in Manhattan and do a 'lil ol' fashioned Distance / Time = Speed. Once I get my hands on a copy of the movie, I WILL do this, but until then, I'm still pretty confident that GINO couldn't be much faster than 90 kmph, tops. If you think I'm wrong, beat me to it and post your findings.
:And as it's been said before, GINO is not a kaiju. He's a frail and pathetic Hollywood abomination. It sickens me that people even mention him in the same breath as Godzilla. I could care less about the movie, but the neglect of canon that goes into the usual comparisons of the two monsters is beyond frustrating. If GINO can clamber on a skyscraper without collapsing it, he obviously can't weigh that much - and if Godzilla can hurtle Kumonga over the horizon, as he did in Final Wars, then the kinetic force from Godzilla's fist would literally splatter GINO and send his tomato pulp of a corpse flying many miles away. As pathetic as GINO's Final Wars appearance may have been, it may shock some people to know that the canon was altered in GINO's favor by a vast margin, and he still couldn't win.
*Yeah, the fact that GINO's body didn't jacknife around Godzilla's tail and rip in half was generous of Kitamura.
and this, my freinds, is a classic example of biased mud. please ignore this obviosly deranged mans pathetic rants.  
Quote from the helicopter chase scene "Were doing 80 knotts and he's pulling away." Also, when chasing the cab, Zilla probably couldnt run as fast due to injurys from the subs
Actually, I just watched it, Zilla was not able to keep up with the cab, but over take it. Anyone know the top speed of a Ney York cab?
***That's funny, call me deranged when you spell like a Down's Syndrome sufferer would talk. The fact that the chopper pilot said they were doing 80 knots means what, exactly? Right, that the chopper pilot said that they were going 80 knots. NOT that the pilots actually went 80 knots - that information can only be verified from observing the properties of the helicopter in motion. And how long, exactly, did it take Zilla to catch up to the cab? Only with a desparate last-minute dive did he catch them. I didn't see any wounds on him from any sub attacks, which is fitting with how every other military ordnance never managed to hit him either. Conjecture, anecdotes and ad hominem attacks will lose you the battle EVERY time - especially if you make a fool of yourself while trying to puff up your chest and play academic in front of everyone.
Hey, it's just a movie people! No need to call people deranged. And Down's Syndrome is a pretty classless insult. Anyways, I agree with the second last paragraph. Maybe Zilla was slower facing the cab because he got hit by a torpedo not much earlier, and had taken many bullets from American forces (The lack of wounds is pure Hollywood continuity flaws). And personally, I think that the whole iguana thing was cool, and 'irradiated desert lizard' isn't an improvement at all to Zilla's canon. I  think he is a more believable* creature than Godzilla 
*(Only in origin, no offense to the Big Green Giant meant at all, he's still awesome.)
Gorgo7h3
Absolute nonsense. If lizards growing huge and swimming vast distances to slink around in major cities is so beleiveable, why hasn't it happened yet? Lizards DIE when subjected to nuclear fallout. Premutated dinosaurs, however, may not. And the circumstances surrounding Godzilla's origins are vague enough to permit that. Furthermore, attributing lack of wounds to "continuity errors" is the weakest kind of argument possible. Canon is canon. FIN.
Canon is canon.... you are ... something, friend. The fact he takes damage the way he does makes him more believable. The movie is classic sci-fi, but than deals with it fairly realistically(for a movie anyway). This Godzilla(the 98 american) has to eat, reproduce, ect. He was just handled more believably than japanese Godzilla. That isn't a diss, its just the way it is.
Bull-fucking-shit. A monster that can be killed from six or eight missiles isn't strong enough to withstand the rigors of moving it's own massive body around. That Godzilla can walk around and shrug off artillery like you might shrug off gentle rain may not be "realistic", per se, but it's consistent with the kind of strength a monster that size would need to have in order to merely stand on two legs, which is more than can be said for GINO.
**Purely for reference: 80 knots (nautical miles/hour, here for air speed) = 92 mph/148 kmph.  While this is no indication whether Zilla can maintain the speed for any given length of time, and is presumed that this is on a flat/optimal run condition (fearing for its life probably allowed it to perform at an optimum level), it does provide at least a guideline as to what the creature can do if only for a short time.  It seems to be in agreement that Zilla is far lighter than Gojira/Godzilla and has a relatively longer stride (footfall-to-footfall) and pace, so the movie figure of "80+ knots" at least can be considered in that light. 
**As per the AH-64_Apache wiki-page, here are the performance specs:
**Never exceed speed: 197 knots (227 mph, 365 kmph) 
**Maximum speed: 158 knots (182 mph, 293 kmph) 
**Cruise speed: 143 knots (165 mph, 265 kmph) 
**From the above data, we can infer the movie's Apaches doing "80 knots" was a little above half the average cruising speed of the machine, and was most likely maintained for safety within the confines of the city. 66.167.120.3 11:44, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speed Insufficient 

message: I think this page should be merged with the page Godzilla seeing as they are both ultimately the same entity. 
Anon
*Oppose
This version of Godzilla has been distiguished as a seperate entity than the orginal Godzilla. There is enough information on this creature to warrent his own pag and adding this will only clutter the Godzilla page. (Animedude 07:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that would work. No matter what name he was known by originally; "Godzilla" is the name most peopel all over the world associate with the Toho kaiju. Even more recently Japanese movie posters have had "Godzilla", in english, on their movie posters, below the usuall katakana'd "Gojira". Toho has made it clear they wish this creature be called "Zilla", not "Godzilla". Godzilla should stay where it is. It would cause too much confusion for the most popular name to redirect to a very rleetivly known creature by the name, and to have a reletivly unknown name redirect to the most popular creature. Most popular creature = most popular name. (Animedude 00:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your joking right?...Godzilla from the American movie and animated series reached far more people than the Japanese ones. No one knows this Godzilla by Zilla, if Toho changes its mind we'll change this page again and give it another name when in the movie the monster is 99% of the times called Godzilla. I would support this change Godzilla to the American one and Gojira to the Japanese ones (regardless of what Toho says).Strumf (talk) 18:36, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Actually the name "Godzilla" does and always has belonged to Toho. Tristar seeked permission to use the name and certian elements of the character for their own movie. Therefore, if Toho wishes for this creature to be called 'Zilla' in lew of "Godzilla", it is withint their right to say so. Toho makes it clear that they think the creature who appeared in the 1998 film "Godzilla" is NOT the original Godzilla and needs to be treated as a seperate creature. I see nothing wrong with the article as it is.(Animedude 00:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I understood exactly what was within Toho's right when I made the post.  I do not, however, have to agree with them.  But that wasn't the point of my post anyways, it was to oppose the article being merged, since I think it's quite clear they aren't the same monster.WorldsCollide 06:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: What Toho thinks is of no concern, this is not a Toho page but a wikipedia article, Godzilla on the American movie is Godzilla and not Zilla.Strumf (talk) 18:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Im not sure if anyone noticed but when Zilla is in Final Wars his face seems different not really for sure if its look is different but it seems like it.
:Obviously.  One "Zilla" appeared in a movie made by Tristar and the other was a slap in the face to the "Zilla" that appeared in the Tristar movie. WorldsCollide 04:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the Tristar Zilla was a slap in the face to the original Godzilla, the Final Wars Zilla was just the original creators comment on the poor treatment of THIER property. (Animedude 00:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Their property? well If I lend my car and the guy doesn't treat it well I'll blame no one else but me for lending it.Strumf (talk) 18:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: No, there was no Zilla on the Tristar movie, there was only a Godzilla.Strumf (talk) 18:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, I would so love to debate you on this topic, but here isn't the place.WorldsCollide 06:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me put my two cents in here: if Toho's going to overreact to America's "poor treatment" (awww, poor babies!) of their "property", perhaps we should have a few words to say about their disgusting treatment of our property (King Kong in a suit)?? Scorpionman 01:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not a Godzilla movie? you clearly have never seen Godzilla:Returns (1954) cause the American movie is quite like that one, including the fact that both got owned by the army, miraculously came to life just to die again.Strumf (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Don't say it too loud, apparently the Gojira fans are in love with cosplaying.Strumf (talk) 19:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appearance 

message: Why do people keep erasing what I put about the orignal script? Other monsters have "lost project" parts of their articals so why do you guys keep erasing it? Superx 03:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: Anyone think we should give Zilla jr. a seperate page? he is a different entity, and he does have enough backround story.
Yes they should be merged 24.187.163.146 22:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate 

message: As already established in a certain users talk page, unless there is proof from Toho itself, Zilla was officially killed in Godzilla Final Wars. Anything hinting otherwise is just fan speculation.
87.102.38.72 16:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right there. Besides, seeing as how he already died in the 1998 film, and seems to have been resurrected for this film, they could resurrect him for another one. They've resurrected Rodan, Godzilla, Ghidora, Mothra, virtually all of them have reappeared after an almost certain death. Scorpionman 21:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  actually guys, I heard that if Cloverfeild does good, Toho will consider letting Zilla get another movie (likly as Godzilla in USA though, not Zilla.) Sony did already write up a sequal before Toho rejected that idea.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.57.184 (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zilla was killed in Final Wars 

message: Why does "American Godzilla" redirect to this page, but "GINO" doesn't? Scorpionman 21:13, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apperently Gino is also a male italian name. However that article mentions its uses to refer to Zilla and has a link.  (Animedude 07:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GINO 

message: Toho has given him the name of Zilla. So that is what he should be called in this artical from here on out. I already fixed all of the refereance(except for the part in the begining of this artical) and changed it to Zilla.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.212.119 (talk) 17:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  stop with the GINO crap 

message: Where's Zilla's profile mugshot? Scorpionman 20:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone removed it over Wikipedia's free image nazi regime. Find a free image and post it. Shouldnt be too hard. (Animedude 09:07, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HEY!!!!

message: I removed the reference to Zilla being amutated Marine Iguana. The reptile seen guarding the nest Zilla hatched from is clearly a Green Iguana.
76.64.150.24 (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marine Iguana

message: Who removed the Final Wars entry?  Zilla's featured in it, so it deserves an entry in this article. 142.26.133.248 (talk) 19:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Wars Removed 

message: Whoops, I moved this page to "Anti-Godzilla" because it was stated in the article, but now it seems like it was written by a vandal, so this should be moved back to Zilla again, of course. Funkynusayri (talk) 12:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Godzilla 

message: What idiot wrote that section?  There are countless mentions of "HEAT" without any mention on what the hell it is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.6.18 (talk) 16:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  HEAT  in the series 

message: I read the official guide of the movie, and it said zilla was 23 stories high, which is about 84 meters.
68.193.107.80 (talk) 02:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height