Talk:Filipino shamans

message: The introductory section needs clarification. The accepted terminology in the trans community is "trans woman", for a person whose gender identity is female, and "trans man", for a person whose gender identity is male. Use of the phrase "male transgenders" is not only misleading or confusing, it is considered demeaning by trans people. Given what is known about the history of gender identity worldwide, it would seem likely that the article intends to say that trans women were known to serve as baybaylan to their communities. Gcvrsa
:Earlier revisions of the article only stated that babaylan can be male or female and never mentioned anything about "male transgenders," so I removed the phrase entirely until someone can provide a source for what a "male transgender" is. Laurel Wreath of Victors ‖ Speak 💬 ‖  19:15, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: Uh Hey guys, anyone here know more about the indigenous tribes of Ancient pre-Philippine culture? please help construct Talim's. Talim is a Filipina fighting character in Soul Calibur and  I think she's the very first Filipina in any game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueknightex (talk • contribs) 
:Talim is Filipino for "sharp" or "sharpness". Is the character a babaylan? — •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• Speak! 01:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: in the mandaya tribe we call our babaylans as balyan. Yes they are considered as witch doctors of the tribe and are said to heal the sick with the help of their companion spirits called the ABYAN. ABYANS could be any spirit from the other world(elemental or nature spirits). these spirits are believe to have chosen a human being to become their ambassador to our world.
It is said that when a spirit chooses a person, the entity will appear to that person through dreams or through a tangible form. it could be a large black dog or in its human-like form. when the person is being chosen, the spirit will then decide what to ask for that person in return for being chosen. it could be something dear to the person or it could be something else. but there are also instances that the spirits don't ask for anything in return.
now if the person is asked to become an balyan and he/refuses, bad omens will strike upon him or her or on his loved ones. they may feel sick for several days without any probable cause and cannot be treated by any medicine except if being consulted to an older balyan too.
the main purpose of the balyan is become a bridge to both worlds the world of the spirits and the world of the living. If given a chance a normal person who accidentally troubled the resting place or the bathing place of the enchanted beings. the balyan will serve to be the advocate of the person to ask apology to the enchanted beings of the forests to alleviate the punishment or curse put upon the person. it is done through a series of dance rituals performed around the offender. the balyan as she dances, also sings a PANAWAG-TAWAG or a calling with the use of the FORBIDDEN word to gather the spirits and talk to them. The forbidden word is believed to be only uttered by the balyan alone because it is the name of his ABYAN. when uttered by other persons, the ABYAN is believed to become upset and will punish the unworthy person who uttered his name. when the spirits are present, the balyan then sings an apology songs, and offers food that are prepared without salt. different balyans have different styles of rituals. there are those that chew MAMA-ON, a locale gum made by elders from ashes of shells and a leaf from a wild plant. in which, if chewed will give a red color dye like extract that will give the tongue a crimson red appearance. Some balyans tear a white chickens leg and splashes the blood around the offender; in order to apeace the enchanted beings.
there are seven forbidden words that must never be uttered; only the Balyans know what those are.
Eros pierced (talk) 00:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  additional information about babaylans from the mandaya tribe in the southern part of mindanao 

message: Hello, my name is Austin and I am editing this article for a college project. I would like to make a few edits to the page. First, I would like to add a table of contents. Second, I would like to provide more sources and verify citations. In addition, I would like to start a subtopic on gender neutrality and how babaylans affect Philippine society. I would love some feedback.
UrAznBoi (talk) 03:34, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
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message: @, as for your statement about summarizing primary sources just because they are in the lead section, according to the no original research guidelines, you're not supposed to "summarize" (or "synthesize") material found in a primary source yourself. (directly from the page: "Do not analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so"). "Summary" of primary sources are not allowed, support your claims using secondary sources. In fact, just use secondary sources to avoid citation overkill, abuse of primary sources, through synthesizing two of them. Remember: those two primary sources do not give overview statements about the Spanish persecution of native shamans, nor their modern status (like they are now predominantly male). Stricnina (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
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