Talk:Germany/Archive 6

message: Is there some general agreement that we should try to conform to Wikipedia:Article size and Wikipedia:Summary style?  Clearly not all of us do, but if there's a considerable majority, then good enough.  We've been dancing around this for an age, and I'd really like to try and get some resolution.  Alai 00:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: from my experience, the article will continue to dance around for a while before consolidating, so it is premature to try and aim for a "final" format. First and foremost, some standard of "notability threshold" must be established, i.e. a feeling for stuff that should be here, and for stuff that shouldn't. It would be easy to write a 1000kb article about Germany, and clearly we don't want that. The spectrum goes from 32kb to 70kb maybe, and it will be Summary Style anyway, even with 70kb. dab (ᛏ) 08:07, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Heimdal, I continue to think that the history section is too long. We should mention there only the absolutely essential. Yes, Germany's history is complicated, dramatic, full of ruptures and shaped Europe so it can be somewhat longer than the corresponding sections of e.g. France or India. Please help to weed out the non-essential. Andries 12:52, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: India is the second-most populous country in the world, one of the oldest and one with the most complicated story. Why should it deserve less "history space" than Germany? Luis rib 17:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.  Not to mention the incredibly rich and complex mix of languages, ethnic groups, competing religions, even geographies of a country that is vastly larger than Germany both physically and by population. Jayjg (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I have no problem suggestion that Doric Loon should do it and I hope s/he is willing to do so. Btw, I do not think that you need to know have a good knowledge of the history of Germany of Germany to write the history section because you only have to summarize other Wikipedia articles. (I do not have good knowledge of German history btw). So I will not edit the section anymore for the time being. Andries 18:31, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: What? The non-essentials were certainly not written by me!!! May I remind you, Heimdal, that all I did FROM THE VERY START was reduce your bloated version? When I added stuff, it was because your version was unbalanced. Luis rib 17:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

text: You are welcome to discuss this issue here or on my Talk page, if you prefer. Also, I don't remember bloating up the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich, on the contrary. You kept including Admiral Tirpitz - a relatively minor figure on the global historical German scale. Luis rib 16:09, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

text: This is starting to get ridiculous. Are we going to list all the countries? Well, let me start then: the history section of Ethiopia (a country of > 70 million, with a >2000 year history (more if we think abour pre-history), and the only African country never colonised (with a brief exception by Mussolini)) only has a very short history paragraph. Certainly, a point could be made that Germany's history should be shortened to Ethiopia-standard. Luis rib 16:09, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

text: No, it was certainly not me who added that insignificant detail. I didn't even know about Röhm's "homosexual vices" before reading it on this page. Also, Tirpitz's warship program was irrelevant since in WWI there was only a single naval battle, and it had no importance on the general war. Germany never managed to equal Britain's naval superiority. In particular, why is Tirpitz more important than, say, Barbarossa? If we are going to list every single admiral or general of the German Empire, we'll never finish. Luis rib 16:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

text: OK, wir setzen das Gespräch ein andermal fort, einverstanden? Ich habe jetzt wirklich keine Zeit mehr. Bis morgen.  - Heimdal 17:20, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article size 

message: Can i make as my last contribution for a while a firm request that 83.109.xxx.xx be banned from editing any Germany related articles - Although i had once mistaken 83.109.xxx.xx for User:Heimdal i now know that i was wrong and apologise to Heimdal. A check through this talk pages archives shows 83.109.xxx.xx bias and POV pushing - i have just had to fix the Infobox on the Karl Doenitz page that he had vandalised - he/she had removed both Adolf Hitler and Johannes Dieckmann to fit his/her bizzare POV. PMA 07:54, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad that you've got it at last that 83.109.xxx.xx is not me! Holding a strong opinion does not seem reason enough for me to ban a person. However, I do think that if 83.109.xxx.xx wants to continue editing this page, he or she should at least log in, so that it would be easier to identify him or her, and to contact him or her on his or her talk page. It would also avoid future identity confusions, by the way.- Heimdal 09:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: PMA

message: I don't know why I have to do this, but Heimdal seems to refuse, so here is a list of the points he apparently wants to include, and which have met opposition.
*Jewish demographics (fastest growing Jewish population etc.), Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland
include
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do not include
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*linguistic relationship of West Germanic languages (German, Dutch and English)
include
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do not include
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is this it? I mean, we went through all that fuss because of these two points? I do hope I am missing something here, because that would be too lame. dab (ᛏ) 12:37, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop bringing up unrelated articles; focus on this one. Jayjg (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: strawpoll on points to be included

message: We are still missing references for the detailed articles. Please provide them in the detailed articles, preferrably English but German is okay too. Andries 17:37, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing references

message: Dear German friends. Please see what do polish nazis on Talk:Disputed territories of Baltic States, Talk:Eastern Vilnius region, Talk:Vilnius region, Talk:Vilnius, Talk:Pomerania, Talk:Gdansk, Talk:Goldap, Podlasie -> history of the article, Talk:Podlasie Voivodship, Sarmatism -> history of the article. Friend of Germany from Lithuania. Zivinbudas 09:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Please also take a look at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Zivinbudas and Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:Zivinbudas and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Zivinbudas. Halibutt 10:04, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
Please see his user page (Halibutt) and you will see who is polish nazi. Once this immature polish nazi wrote: "I hate German names of polish cities". I think nothing to add. The best wishes to German people from Vilnius, Lithuania. Zivinbudas 11:16, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: WHAT?! Sources please. And apology for calling me a Nazi. Now. Halibutt 11:31, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
See User Talk:DeirYassin -> Sandomierz and other similar issues, you immature polish nazi. Zivinbudas 11:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Nice you've quoted the context as well.. As I see you're not willing to apologise. Your business, not mine. BTW, you have been unblocked, so you might as well finally log in and take part in the Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#User:Zivinbudas. Unless of course you want to be permanently blocked by the "polish nazi administrators". Halibutt 12:13, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
Go better to eat flaki, you polish joker. 85.206.192.187 12:33, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

text: can we have this idiot blocked, soon, please? dab (ᛏ) 10:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Now take your Prozac and cool down, OK? - Heimdal 13:28, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  To my German friends