Talk:Lupang Hinirang

message: I have heard that in 1992, former Zamboanga City mayor Vitaliano Agan conducted a contest to translate the anthem into Chavacano. A winner was chosen but his work wasn;t enforced since it was against the law of the use of Filipino...
Can anyone provide me the lyrics of this translation? We have bêen lơoking for this for a very long time na but we can't sêem to find the Chavacano translation chơosen by the Zamboanga government. Thank You Very Much  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChavacanBen (talk • contribs) 14:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Chavacano version

message: In English, the Philippine National Anthem can be sung as
Land of the Morning <BR>
Child of the Sun returning<BR>
With fervor burning<BR>
Do thee our hearts adore.<BR>
....<BR>
Land of Love<BR> 
Beautiful land of love<BR>
It is for thee that we suffer and die.<BR>
<BR>
...<BR>
That's all I remember, as well as the pride of my mother and father as they sang it for me.
Land of the morning,
Child of the sun returning,
With fervor burning
Thee do our souls adore.
Land dear and holy,
Cradle of noble heroes.
Ne'er shall invaders
Trample thy sacred shore.
Ever within thy skies and through thy clouds,
And oe'r thy hills and sea,
Do we behold the radiance
Feel the throb of glorious liberty.
Thy banner, dear to all our hearts
Its sun and star alight
O never shall its shinning field
Be dimmed by tyrants might.
Beautiful land of love, O land of light,
In thine embrace 'tis rapture to lie;
But it is glory ever, when thou art wronged
for us, thy sons to suffer and die.
:Of course, singing an English version is illegal (RA 8491, SECTION 36. The National Anthem shall always be sung in the national language within or without the country. The following shall be the lyrics of the National Anthem: [...]), and would open one to public censure (SECTION 48. Failure or refusal to observe the provisions of this Act; and any violation of the corresponding rules and regulations issued by the Office of the President, shall after proper notice and hearing, shall be penalized by public censure which shall be published at least once in a newspaper of general circulation.) see . -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:41, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: lyrics in English

message: To let readers know how different the old English version is. I also changed the very old and incorrect translation of the national anthem's title ('Beloved Land') which I think came to be so due to the following being that title's exact equivalents:
- the title of the most popular Tagalog translation in the 1940's (O Sintang Lupa), or
- the first line of the current official lyrics (Bayang magiliw...), which tends to be colloquially used as the title of the national anthem
I think everyone would agree with me that hinirang does not translate to anything near to the English word 'beloved' — the root word hirang means 'choose' in Tagalog. It has always bugged me that almost every printed English encyclopedia I read translates the title to 'Beloved Land.' Thank God for Wikipedia. dirrtychristian 10:57, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added the English translation of the current official version... 

message: Hi all,
I have standardized the spelling of the Cebuano translation and used the version that I have always sung and I have always known to be "The Jess Vestil" version. This is first-hand knowledge; I have schooled during the time when the government of Cebu was still strong against the government of the Philippines and did not bow down to the latter's insistence of the use of the Filipino version as THE official and standard (and after 1998, the only legal) version.
--Bentong Isles 12:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cebuano translation 

message: Merry (Insert Holiday Here). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 00:22, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Lupang Hinirang instrumental.ogg]] 

message: I put a link to a youtube file which shows the audiovisual of the Philippine national anthem played during sign-on and sign off Justox dizaola 10:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is important to know that the anthem is played at the start/end of television programming, I am not sure about the copyright of that video. I will not personally remove it, since I put up anthem videos myself on YouTube, but there could be others who could remove the link to the video. However, the video is pretty nice, since I seen it myself a few times. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi i just 

message: Having edited the entire article myself, here are what I believe the possible improvements that can be done, if we are to promote his article into FA status:
# Improve the red links. Naturally ;)
# Sheet music (even if only a lead sheet). Since this is a song---and a public domain song, on top of that---it's logical that there should be information on how to sing this song. I'm working on this one, though, so please hang on....
# Picture of the Declaration of Independence. Even a scan of the reverse side of the (now-getting-rare but still in circulation) 10 peso bill, with a marching band in the backdrop (I think) would do. IMO, we need proof that there was a marching band when the Kawit declaration happened.
# A list of very notable versions in the present time. I am thinking of only the following renditions, because of their significance (we'll need heavy documentation for all these, though):
## The Redentor Romero arrangement, originally recorded by the Philippine Philharmonic Orchestra. This is the most popular orchestral version, and is almost always the only version performed by the PPO, the MPO and even by the San Miguel Philharmonic
## The Lucio San Pedro arrangement. I know he got some flak for this one, but let's face it, this is one of the more popular arrangements made on this song
## The Philippine Centennial arrangement. Significance is historical; this was commissioned during the Philippine Centennial. This is widely published in a book that is currently in circulation at major bookstores nationwide. In addition, this is also the version that is currently being played by some TV stations during sign-on and sign-off. (I verified this by listening to it during a TV network's sign-off with a copy of the sheet music in hand.)
I might add more to this list, so please hang on. In the meantime, please let me know what you think of it. --- Tito Pao 04:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointers for improvement 

message: Please join and respond if you have received it. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 22:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yall can go ahead and start without me. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinay, please check you mail, thanks :) --- Tito Pao 22:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can all set this up at 4:00 to 5:00 PST if you like. Or send suggested time. I am on-line so give me a buzz. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 22:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I repeat, yall just go ahead and start without me. I won't hurt my feelings. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 22:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As of time stamped after my name in this message, only 2 responses received, and Titopao's earliest available time is 4:00PST. --Ate Pinay  (talk•email) 23:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  YM chat/conference invitation sent 

message: What is the English translation of the phrase "Lupang Hinirang"? --Howard the Duck 04:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I seen it translated as "Chosen land." User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:51, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Philippines article says "Beloved Land". I'd rather agree with "chosen" since "hinirang" means chose. --Howard the Duck 05:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also notice the article here has "chosen land" in the lyrics (LH is mentioned in the first sentence, second paragraph). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:52, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation 

message: Please read WP:NOT#OR and WP:MADEUP about this kind of translation. There is already an English translation which is more "original" than the Filipino version. Why not delete it? -- 210.213.67.182 15:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We include amateur translations of other anthems; the official English version is listed below. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 04:27, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Regarding translations, WP:V#Non-English sources says "Where editors [...], or translate any direct quote, they need to quote the relevant portion of the original text in a footnote or in the article, so readers can check that it agrees with the article content. Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Wikipedia editors." -- Boracay Bill (talk) 05:25, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Chosen Land" 

message: One wonders about the naming of this section. "Official" in what sense? Surely not in the sense of RA8491, the Flag and Heraldic code of the Philippines, Section 36 of which makes it very clear that the only officially recognized lyrics the Filipino lyrics. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look under the lyrics, there is a note already denoting this fact. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 07:20, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Official lyrics" section 

message: Recent changes to the text of some of the anthem versions in this article popped this up on my watchlist.  I did a quick check against this page on the msc.edu website, which cites Sonya Zaide's book The Philippine National Flag and Anthemas its source, and noticed the following:
*Under Official lyrics, the filipino language version differs from the version mandated here in Republic Act No. 8491 as follows:
::
This article                                     	RA8491                               	difference
Bayang magiliw                                   	Bayang magiliw,                      	comma
Perlas ng Silanganan,                            	Perlas ng Silanganan                 	comma
Alab ng puso                                     	Alab ng puso,                        	comma
Sa dibdib mo'y buhay.                            	Sa Dibdib mo'y buhay.                	capitalization
blank line                                       	no blank line                        	blank line?
Lupang hinirang,                                 	Lupang Hinirang,                     	capitalization
Duyan ka ng magiting,                            	Duyan ka ng magiting,                	
Sa manlulupig,                                   	Sa manlulupig,                       	
'Di ka pasisiil.                                 	Di ka pasisiil.                      	single-quote
blank line                                       	no blank line                        	blank line?
Sa dagat at bundok,                              	Sa dagat at bundok,                  	
Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,               	Sa simoy at sa langit mong bughaw,   	
May dilag ang tula at awitSa paglayang minamahal.	May dilag ang tula,
At awit sa paglayang minamahal.	line break, capitalization, comma
blank line                                       	no blank line                        	blank line?
Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y                       	Ang kislap ng watawat mo'y           	
Tagumpay na nagniningning,                       	Tagumpay na nagniningning,           	
Ang bituin at araw niya                          	Ang bituin at araw niya,             	comma
Kailan pa ma'y 'di magdidilim.                   	Kailan pa ma'y di magdidilim,        	single-quote
blank line                                       	no blank line                        	blank line?
Lupa ng araw, ng luwalhati't pagsinta,           	Lupa ng araw ng luwalhati't pagsinta,	
Buhay ay langit sa piling mo;                    	Buhay ay langit sa piling mo,        	comma vs. semicolon
Aming ligaya, na 'pag may mang-aapi              	Aming ligaya na pag may mang-aapi,   	comma
Ang mamatay nang dahil sa 'yo.                   	Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo.         	text, single-quote
:I'm not a Filipino-speaker, and don't know whether those differences are substantive.
*Under Official lyrics, the english version headed Unofficial English translation is footnoted as follows:
:The translation is not attributed and I'm guessing that it was done by some WP editor. WP:V says, "Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Wikipedia editors."
*Under Earlier versions, the version headed Filipinas differs from the version [here on the msc.edu site as follows:
::
This article                         	msc.edu                               	difference
Tierra adorada                       	Tierra adorada                        	
Hija del sol de Oriente,             	Hija del sol de Oriente               	comma
Su fuego ardienteen ti latiendo está.	Su fuego ardiente en ti latiendo esta.	linebreak, accent
¡Tierra de amores!                   	Patria de amores!                     	text
Del heroísmo cuna,                   	Del heroismo cuna,                    	
Los invasores                        	Los invasores                         	
No te hallarán jamás.                	No te hallaran jamas.                 	accent
En tu azul cielo, en tus auras,      	En tu azul cielo, en tus auras,       	
En tus montes y en tu mar,           	En tus montes y en tu mar             	comma
Esplende y late el poema             	Esplende y late el poema              	
De tu amada libertad.                	De tu amada libertad.                 	
Tu pabellón, que en las lides        	Tu pabellon, que en las lides         	
La victoria iluminó,                 	La victoria ilumino                   	comma
No verá nunca apagados               	No vera nunca apagados                	accent
Sus estrellas ni su sol.             	Sus estrellas y su sol.               	
Tierra de dichas, de sol y amores,   	Tierra de dichas, del sol y amores,   	
En tu regazo dulce es vivir.         	En tu regazo dulce es vivir.          	
Es una gloria para tus hijos,        	Es una gloria para tus hijos,         	
Cuando te ofenden, por ti morir.     	Cuando de ofenden, por ti morir.      	
:Also, the arrangement of blank lines looks different between the two versions. I'm not a Spanish-speaker, and don't know whether the differences are substantive.
*Under Earlier versions, the english language version headed "The Philippine Hymn" disagrees with the version on msc.edu. The difference involves a grammatical error in the version in this article. The word tyrants is used as the possessive form of the noun tyrant and, as such, should correctly read "tyrant's" as it does on the msc.edu website. This article asserts regarding the version it presents: "translation was made by Senator Camilo Osias and Mary A. Lane and was made official by an act of the Philippine Congress in 1938", and I don't know whether the translations made by those persons agree with the text presented in this article or not. I believe that the act of congress referred to here is Commonwealth Act No. 382, which this page says was signed on September 5, 1938, but I have not been able to find an online copy of that act. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the Filipino lyrics, just stick with RA 8491. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent problems 

message: Considering WP:NONENG ("Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations made by Wikipedia editors"), how about using a cite-supported outside translation rather than edit-warring about the details of WP:OR translations by WP editors?
Here are a couple of cites of pages claiming to be republishing one particular apparently widely-published translation ("Translated from the Spanish by Camilo Osias and M.A.L. Lane; taken from Camilo Osias, Manlapaz Publishing Co., 1971"): , . -- Boracay Bill (talk) 11:42, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English version 

message: The anthem has been sung in different ways before, but Martin Nievera's artistic interpretation during the Pacquiao vs. Hatton match has sparked a veritable deluge of news about the incident. I'm collecting here links to news articles and columns discussing the event for possible future inclusion into the article. --seav (talk) 14:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Nievera's rendition 

message: Finally found a published source for the orginal Spanish lyrics in this 1912 book by José Palma:
*Melancólicas : coleccion de poesías - José Palma (1912)
I have put the lyrics in the article.  Mk32 (talk) 05:12, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original lyrics by José Palma 

message: In this edit, I just removed a footnote asserting that the lyrics in the section headed "Official Commonwealth-era English version: The Philippine Hymn (1938)" are "Official lyrics, according to CA 382". After digging around a bit, I found http://www.angelfire.com/me4/francute/consti2.htm (not a great source, but the best I found), which quotes CA382 as follows:
Com. Act 382, Sept. 5, 1938
 
COMMONWEALTH ACT NO. 382
 
AN ACT TO ADOPT THE ORIGINAL AUTHENTIC FORM OF THE PHILIPPINE NATIONAL ANTHEM AND TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FOR ITS PRINTING AND FREE DISTRIBUTION.
 
                To preserve the musical adaptation and motive in the original authentic composition of the Philippine National Anthem as set by its author, Julian Felipe, and to attain uniform performance thereof in the Philippines:
 
Be it enacted by the National Assembly of the Philippines:
 
                Sec. 1.  The musical arrangement and composition of the Philippine National Anthem as set by its author, Julian Felipe, is adopted.
                Sec. 2.  There is appropriated, out of the unappropriated funds in the National Treasury, the sum of five hundred pesos for the preparation, printing and free distribution of copies of the Philippine National Anthem as adjusted to its original authentic outline. 
                Sec. 3.  The National Library of the Philippines is entrusted with the accomplishment hereof.
                Sec. 4.  This Act shall take effect on its approval.
                Approved, September 5, 1938.
Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  CA382 

message: In this edit, I just made a change to article assertions regarding the official status of The Philippine Hymn. However, I now notice my earlier comment in the #CA382 section above which brings not only my change but the article assertion re this which preceded my change. I'm now removing article content which reads
and moving it here for reconsideration.
I now see that http://www.angelfire.com/me4/francute/consti2.htm, mentioned in the #CA382 section above, contradicts the source on which I relied there in what it purports to be a direct requote of CA382 (you'll need to text search within that page to find the requote). So, we appear to have two outside sources of less than gold-standard reliability which contradict one another regarding this. I have not been able to resolve this, I don't have time to pursue it further at present, and I am pretty much limited to online sources in any case. I'm hoping some editor with access to better sources will be able to resolve this. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 03:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official status of ''The Philippine Hymn'' 

message: Inspired by the discussion above, I created a subsection on music and tempo to parallel the lyrics section because the tempo has been one of the controversies surrounding the anthem and there was some good sources on the tempo and the controversies. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 08:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music & Tempo section 

message: I'm a bit uncomfortable with the historical revisionist ediring replacing the name of the Tagalog language in this article with the name of the Filipino language, as in this and earlier edits. At the time the lyrics were written, of course, the Tagalog language did exist and there was no language called "Filipino". As I understand it, the earlier Tagalog and later Filipino languages are not de-jure identical, but may or may not be de-facto identical. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:41, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revisionism with "Filipino" replacing "Tagalog" 

message: after all, it's a song, and like any other song people tend to introduce their own small changes, either due to forgetfulness or outbursts of creativity. does wikipedia really want to list the 20 most common variations in the lyrics of every single song it covers? or is there some justification why this song should be treated differently from others?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.238.175.48 (talk) 23:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, will delete since no source has been added for 4 years now. PyroFloe (talk) 16:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggest to delete "misheard lyrics" section 

message: This edit, which changed Filipino to Tagalog in a number of places, caught my eye. No edit summary was provided, but it occurs to me that the change might be justified for anghem versions prior to February 12, 1998 when RA8491 beccame law (see ). RA849a says that the anthem must always be sung in the national language. If this nit is to be picked in this article, some clarification ought to be provided. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 22:10, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tagalog" vs. "Filipino" as language name 

message: Where is literal English translation of lyrics? I guess English version lyrics of 1938 is different from literal translation of current Tagalog version. So you should write literal English translation of Tagalog version.--Propatriamori (talk) 00:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  English literal translation of Tagalog version 

message: I looked at this article today and the line in the intro to the Oficial Filipino Version lyrics saying saying "translated by Felipe Padilla de León" caught my eye. The question: "translated from what to what?" occurred to me. The Felipe Padilla de León article presents him as a composer of music rather than as a lyracist, which deepens the question rather than answering it.
Rummaging around, I found this Feburary 17, 2011 version of this article, which has some hints. As I read that, an anthem with lyrics adapted from the Spanish poem Filipinas, written by José Palma, was translated to English in 1938; Tagalog versions appeared in the 1940s; "revisions" (to the music and/or the lyrics -- ????) were made in the 1960s; Felipe Padilla de Leon then used one of those versions as his inspiration for Awit sa Paglikha ng Bagong Pilipinas (which that article describes as a patriotic song commissioned during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines which was intended to supplant Lupang Hinirang as the anthem). None of that is well supported there; this, cited there, describes de León as "an indefatigable writer of hymns and marches" and says , "the entire nation had sung his marches and anthems penned under the bayonet during the Japanese period and during martial law." It names a couple of them, but not the one named here, and I get the impression there, again, that de Lron was more of a composer of music than a lyracist.
There is some more info at  I don't see an answer there to the question of what, if anything, de Leon translated in re the current anthem. I've placed a  tag in the article there. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 11:33, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Felipe Padilla de León 

message: I noticed  this series of edits by 130.105.160.188 (with one edit by me included there) includes a number of changes to asserted lyrics versions apparently without regard to the supporting sources cited for those versions. I have not gone through and reverified these changes against the sources, but I thought I would flag this here as a possible problem.There may be more edits to come in this series.  Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics changes by anon 130.105.160.188  

message: I've been bothered by unsourced content and  tags in some of the versions in this article. I'm WP:BOLDly taking a stab at improving this. I'll do this in several edits, hoping to minimize confusion and to simplify partial reversion after all changes are done if that is needed.
*edit 1 replaced the  Marcha Nacional Filipina (1899) lyrics citing  and tagged  with lyrics supported by .
*edit 2 removed lyrics headed: Original Spanish poem: Filipinas which cited nothing in support.
*edit 3 added a supporting cite to unsupported lyrics headed Official Commonwealth-era English version: The Philippine Hymn
*edit 4 Replaced lyrics headed: Official Commonwealth-Era English Version The Philippine Hymn (1938)[5][failed verification] translated by Camilo Osías and A. L. Lane[citation needed] with a translation by Osias and Lane titled "Morning Calm", citing support. (note changes in capitalization, etc., copied from the cited source.
*edit 5Tweaked placement of tag and Ref in the heading of the lyrics titled Official Tagalog Version Lupang Hinirang to clarify what is supported by the cited source vs. what failed verification.
*edit 6 I see that the source which I have linked in the ref I added and named dillman2016 is the same source which is linked by a  ref named "humanities diliman". I was careful in constructing the cite I added, using cut/paste from the linked source, but I see that I've mis-spelt the name (dillman vs. diliman). I have removed and discarded instances of the one I added and re-used the "humanities diliman" one instead.
I've tried to preserve the spelling, capitalization, punctuation of the versions I've quoted, but someone with broader language skills than I might look at this and/or other things I might have garbled. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 18:04, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have tried to find other sources of the poorly sourced material but to no avail. I also arranged the wikitable so that it is easier to edit the next time, and I added visual improvements. I only preserved such anthems that had official status during the many phases of the Philippine Republics and removed the poorly sourced versions. I also matched the table's style to the article on the Russian anthem since it's a featured article. PyroFloe (talk) 05:54, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I have again edited the article here, attempting to clarify some of the matrial in it re the time signature of the anthem. As I said in my edit summary there, more work needs to be done on that to center the info re that in the "Music and Tempo" section of the article, but I didn't want to try doing that in a drive-by edit. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:56, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempts at improvement to some sourcing problems in the article 

message: What happened to the "O Land Beloved" version and its Filipino translation, the Filipino translation of the original "Filipinas" poem, and the English translations of the "Diwa ng Bayan" and the "O Sintang Lupa" versions? In the context of the English Wikipedia, having the different Spanish and Filipino/Tagalog lyrics without English translations is useless for readers who don't understand these languages, and the different English and/or Filipino translations of the various versions were intended to show the evolution of the lyrics, since the official versions currently included are not 1:1 translations of each other. See this old page version for reference. Like from the opening lines alone, "Tierra adorada" does not equate to "Land of the morning" or "Bayang magiliw". Showing the evolution through versions and translations is needed. Asado (talk) 05:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other versions and their translations 

message: I'm reverting this edit, assuming good faith. Besides the formatting problem with the replacement content, no source was cited in the edit body, though one was mentioned in the edit summary. The source mentioned in the edit summary does not appear to me to meet WP:IRS criteria. I did try to improve it, but the best I could come up with online was this image, the sourcing of which is not clear to me from the URL, and it's not good enough resolution to make out details. Perhaps better sourcing can be found. Please discuss as needed. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:23, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reversion or sourced edit re ''Marcha Nacional Filipina'' 

message: This follows on this revert I made recently of an edit which changed one line of the lyrics and this discussion which ensued on my talk page. As I said in that discussion, the change I reverted, on consideration of new supporting material mentioned and linked tin the talk page discussion, now looks meritorious. However, there are problems re how to express that here. As I see it, the expression of that change here will introduce a discrepancy between the Spanish version and the English version (said to have been derived from the Spanish version) in this article, and will also introduce a discrepancy between the Spanish version supported by what would be a new supporting cite for that and other sources -- some of which are cited by this article. That summary of the situation is messy -- please read the discussion on my talk page linked above to clarify it and, hopefully, discuss below. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:58, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: However it is done, it seems that we have two differing Spanish versions, both reliably sourced, one from 1899 and the other from some time later, and an English version apparently translated from the later of those two versions. This needs some explanation in the article, either somewhere in the body or in a Note, and the explanation needs support. I don't have a sourced explanation but I see here that the translation was done in 1934, attributing that info to this more citeable book source but not saying what page(s). That's a start. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:00, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

text: (added) The Hitsory section of the article says, "The poem was published for the first time for the first anniversary of the newspaper La Independencia on September 3, 1899, and was subsequently set to the tune of the Marcha Nacional Filipina." It looks to me as if "and was subsequently" there needs to be expanded with the information under discussion here. One source cited in support of the current content there is this book page which has "Tierra de amores," as the first line in the second stanza. That page is from a book published in 1912 (), so the change took place between 1899 and 1912. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

text: (comment) Having seen the above cited, I would like to chime in and share a link to a book by Major Manuel A. Baja that appears to be commissioned by the Philippine Government at the time titled the "Philippine National Flag and Anthem" published in 1936 and made available online by the Filipinas Heritage Library (link to this book here), Part II Page 205 shows a copy of "Himno Nacional Filipino" courtesy of Mr. Leopoldo R. Aguinaldo. Based on the accounts found, the lyric sheet illustrated in this book shows that the the third line of the first stanza had "Patria de amores" as opposed to "Tierra de amores" as cited by earlier sources. The book also adds a footnote on page 210 acknowledging the book published in 1912 and its apparent use of "Tierra de amores" and reaffirmed that "Patria de amores" is correct for the original copy of Julian Felipe's "Marcha Nacional Filipina" uses the word Patria.  Based on these findings, it is unlikely that a change ever occurred as initially stated. It appears to be a simple mistranslation on the part of the initial source published in 1912. This book from 1936 also implies that the version shown in this book is a copy of the original which is now housed in the National Library of the Philippines. Upon further research, versions seen in national museums such as the Emilio Aguinaldo Shrine show the same lyric sheet as shown in the 1936 book (image for reference). I recommend that this new found source be considered for inclusion to the main page Lupang Hinirang as a primary source to the former Spanish lyrics to replace the existing source taken from rappler (link to said article). HispanoFilipino1521  (talk) </small> 08:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the link to the book provided above. It is the third edition, copyright 1936. There is an eight page insertion between pages numbered 201 and 205, the last two pages of which contain a score and lyrics titled "Hymno Nacional Filipino", as described. There is a note at the bottom apparently signed (as I read it) "Aguinaldo" with the title "1st Lieut. and Conductor Phil. Constabulary Band" reading, "Note: For the convenience of the singers this song has been rearranged in the key of G instead of C as in the original score now kept in the Philippine national library." I'm not sure that this score is a rock-solid source regarding the lyrics. At the bottom of page 209, the book text says that Jose Palma wrote the verses and "very appropriately called it 'FILIPINAS'." The following pages of the book contain more details which may well be of interest here but are difficult for me to read on my computer; some other editor may want to look at those closely. In particular, on page page 210 contains the text of the poem FILIPINAS saying, "It was published for the first time on September 3, 1899 in La Indepencia. Four of the lines there are marked with footnote numbers and the footnotes are on that page of the book. As I said, reading this is not easy on my computer, so I'll leave that (hopefully) to another editor. If someone does read that, it would probably be useful to quote the poem as shown in the book and the text of the footnotes here. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:31, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

text: (reply) Happy to assist in reading and typing out the contents word for word on the footnotes shown on page 210 for the interest of all contributors, the file can actually be zoomed in for better clarity, the first footnote reads and I quote, "Professor Julian Felipe's original reads Por ti lateindo esta. Either En or Por is slightly different from that conveyed by En which is the correct word." The second footnote reads "This line reads Tierra de amores in MELANCOLICAS (Collection of Jose Palma's poems). Patria de amores is correct according to Rafael Palma. Professor Julian Felipe's original copy of Marcha Nacional Filipina uses the word Patria in the same line". The third footnote reads "Professor Julain Felipe's original reads En la victoria ilumino. The use of En is erroneous". The last footnote reads "This line reads Tierra de dichas, del sol y de amores in MELONCOLICAS. In the same line Professor Julian Felipe's original does not have de before amores". The footnotes contain corrections made to certain versions of the anthem that surfaced at the time when contrasted to the lyrics illustrated in the book. Rafael Palma, who is Jose Palma's brother asserts in the 2nd footnote that Tierra is erroneous and Patria is correct, his assertions appear to be rock-solid given his familial ties to the author of the poem, not to mention the various national markers and museums which house the Spanish lyrics, all appear consistent with the assertions made in the 2nd footnote on page 210. HispanoFilipino1521 (talk) </small> 04:06, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'm no expert in any of this, but I've edited this article many times trying to keep the various versions of the lyrics which it quotes consistent with the sources cited in support of those quotations. The case under current discussion is more complicated that. I see that the article has a Notes section (currently empty). It seems to me that what is needed here is a clarifying footnote in that section saying something like, "The lyrics headed Former Spanish Version presented here are quoted from [wherever].[source citation]. Other versions exist. [further clarification and citation of supporting sources for the clarifying info presented]. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marcha Nacional Filipina (Spanish version) 

message: In Spanish, the word "hollar" (to trample) is distinct from the word "hallar" (to find). I'm almost certain that the original poem by Jose Palma read, "No te hollarán jamás" (poetic English: never shall they trample thee) rather than "No te hallarán jamás" (poetic English: never shall they find thee). However, either of the expression could make sense (though the former does seem more suitable for the context of the poem than the latter), and I've found sources containing either one or the other. I cannot ascertain which one is truly correct, as finding the original poem by Palma is easier said than done. However, I included an additional source for the Spanish translation to support my replacing of "halláran" with "hollarán". I'll leave it up to the editors to decide whether they deem it appropriate to include a footnote stating the above or to revert my edit. However, my only request is that the source I posted remain in place. The G Wikian (talk) 04:30, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your supposition sounds reasonable but it needs more than one unclarified example to support it in the face of contrasting suppositions; see WP:DUE I'm not literate in Spanish and I'm no expert in the history of this, but this looks contentious to me. Wikipedia:Contentiousness isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it generally requires clarification. I have no clarification to provide, but I see that the article has a (currently empty) Notes section where clarification citing supporting sources might be provided using . Digging around a little, I see sources which mention the  hollarán usage here, here, here, and elsewhere. The entire poem is readable in the third of those; the first of those is only readable as a snippet but looks like it might be more authoritative than the  others -- perhaps you or some other interested editor can find access to a copy. Anyhow, that's my two cents worth -- it may or may not be useful. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 09:27, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Digging a bit more, I see this, which says, "The poem, entitled Filipinas, was published for the first time on September 3, 1899 in La Independencia, a revolutionary newspaper where Palma was a staff member." That issue was apparently the first issue. Perhaps a printed copy survives in the National Library; (I've been there a few times, and found the staff helpful) perhaps there's an RS that quotes the poem from it. I found this, but I don't have the time or the research skills to go far enough down that rabbit hole to see if an archived copy exists there. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. Sorry that I've been away for a while. I've been busy with school and all. Anyway, I've just added a disclaimer for the hollarán/hallarán discrepancy. Hope it helps. The G Wikian (talk) 03:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hola, I would like to chime in with regards to the newspaper publication of La Independencia dated 3rd September 1899, I recall a few months back that I found an image from said publication which features the lyrics to the poem, upon reviewing its contents, it appears to be consistent with what @The G Wikian mentioned, hollarán was shown instead of hallarán, I would like to upload this file into Wikicommons, however, I am not very well versed with the copyright policies in place. I found the copy of the publication from a resource page by the NHCP. I'll try to look for it and share the link here for reference as well.HispanoFilipino1521 (talk) 07:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note about the Spanish translation... 

message: I happened to look at the Etymology section today. It seems to me that the section ought to be eliminated in its current form, relocated, and redone with a different section title.
First, the question "etymology of what?" strikes me. The origin and development of the anthem title seems clear -- it was mandated in 1998 by RA8491, which took the first two words of the second stanza of the lyrics as the title. As explained in the History section of the article, those words came from the poem Filipinas which had been added as lyrics to an instrumental piece originally titled Marcha Filipina Magdalo and later retitled as Marcha Nacional Filipina when adopted as an anthem in 1898. The article's Etymology section does not concern itself with this, however, but focuses on differences about recasting the Filipino language title of the piece into English. It also mentions the officialization of the lyrics in 1938 by CA382.
I propose that the current Etymology section be eliminated, that its content related to CA382 be moved to the History section, and that the rest of the content be moved to a new section following the History section, headed something like English language titling, with appropriate rewriting.
Discussion? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Etymology section 

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message: Om this edit, I relocated this section to a position which made more sense. The relocation brought the English language translations in that section into close proximity with the Osyas and Lane translation to English now shown just above that relocated section. That proximity highlighted translation disparities. In this edit, I've tried to ameliorate that. Perhaps what I've done can be improved. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:38, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed lyrical revision section 

message: I recently made several edits to this section, replacing unsourced translations with sourced translations. If there are objections to what I've done there, please note WP:NOR and WP:DUE before detailing those objections here.
A matter of concern is: What translations, if any, should be included? I'll give my thoughts on this here.
First: Kapampangan The translation to that language is not presented in this section but instead as "Original Kapampangan version" in the Other historical lyrics section as this article treats that as a special case. How to handle that special case is a matter to be decided by consensus and, though I mention the way it is currently handled here, I'm just noting that and not taking issue with it.
The Languages of the Philippines article currently lists 19 languages it calls Regional. The current constitution says, "The regional languages are the auxiliary official languages in the regions and shall serve as auxiliary media of instruction therein.".  currently says that native/mother tongue instruction is done in 19 languages. Presuming that those two lists of 19 languages are identical, that's still a lot.
That raises the question of what the rationale ought to be for deciding which language translations this article ouught to provide. I don't know what a reasonable rationale might be, but I don't think "any of the 19 we can find" is a good one. So I suggest, for discussion here that, unless a better rationale forms by consensus here, no regional language translations be provided but that the article say something like, "The anthem has been translated into a number of Philippine regional languages, and into some of the numerous other languages spoken in the Philippines.", citing one or more sources containing such translations.
Discussion? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:28, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics in other regional languages 

message: This edit, adding official recordings to the Lyrics section, caught my eye. It strikes me that this may not be the best location in the article for this addition. Here is a proposed rearrangement (which I have not moved into the Article page) showing an alternative arrangement which may be better. There, I've moved the table with the recordings to the Usage section, moving the  sidebar up to make way for it. Barring objection and depending on discussion here, I plan to make this change in the article in a few days. Discussion? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:07, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see why you think so, because under the Lyrics heading is where many readers will look (it risks going completely unseen under Usage at the bottom of the article), and it being there helps them hear how the lyrics are sung. There's more than enough space. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 04:13, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that it relates more to the subtopic of usage than to the subtopic of lyrics -- particularly so since two of the five versions it presents are instrumental versions. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 10:31, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Instrumental versions in fact indicate particularly so a belonging to Lyrics over Usage, because it's where people can sing the lyrics along to the instrumental of the anthem. All of them belong more to even Music and tempo than Usage, so I don't know how you came upon Usage. · • SUM1 • · (talk) 19:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that instrumental arrangements without lyrics don't belong in the Lyrics section; this is an encyclopedia article, not a sing-along songbook. However, it's not a big deal to me. I'll go with whatever the WP:consensus here might be. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rearrangement after addition of official recordings 

message: I've moved this addition here:
See MOS:POPCULT. Also, though I'm neither a Tagalog speaker nor into rap I looked here and here and didn't see a match. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mga Kababayan"