Talk:Marquess of Zetland

message: Where or what is Zetland?
It's another spelling of Shetland. Mintguy 10:35, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: In connection with steamboats I've put together a page for Lord Dundas referring to Thomas, Lord Dundas of Aske, (February 16, 1741 - June 14, 1820, became  Baron Dundas of Aske in August 1794). The page used to redirect here, so there's a cross reference.  Chap sounds rather like Lawrence Dundas, 1st Baron Dundas of Aske (1741-1820) on this list - any relation? - dave souza 21:59, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

message: "The family seat is Aske Hall, Richmond, North Yorkshire."
Good to see that they are putting so much back into the Shetland community...--MacRusgail (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Shetland

message: As of the date and time I'm typing this, the article of which this is the Talk page states "Lord Dundas notably purchased the right to the earldom of Orkney and lordship of Zetland from James Douglas, 14th Earl of Morton." No citation is offered to substantiate this. It is contradicted by Wikipedia's page on the Earldom of Orkney, which omits this article's subject from the list of people who have held the Earldom of Orkney. (Against the capital-offense charge of "using Wikipedia to impeach Wikipedia", (which naïvely presupposes that an encyclopedia ought not to contradict itself), I will just say that obviously this assertion is contradicted by the SOURCES cited by that Wikipedia article on the Earldom of Orkney.) There is no mention of this alleged sale of an Earldom in the Wikipedia article on the 14th Earl of Morton (alleged by this article's sentence to be the seller of the Earldom of Orkney), nor in the Wikipedia article on Thomas Dundas, 1st Baron Dundas (the alleged purchaser). As a reader of Wikipedia and not a scholar with expertise sufficient to write for Wikipedia (or correct its contradictions because of two contradictory assertions I don't know which is correct and will not spend time finding out), I would expect that all of this would be sorted out by people who DO write for Wikipedia, not by me. In the present instance, as for so many instances in the past, I have no idea WHAT to believe and find Wikipedia to be an ever-greater waste of my time, spent more on finding errors than on finding facts. If you can't make your various articles consistent with each other, what gives you the right to believe you're any good at all? I feel like Wikipedia is a class project on the process and problems of research itself, and everyone's in the class, nobody is really an author with expertise. Someone who writes that some Earldom was PURCHASED should recognize that that is rather an exceptional way for an Earldom to change hands, and should flesh it out with some detail and some sources, especially when the article ON that Earldom is irreconcilable with the idea that it was sold. And by the way, in the sentence I quoted, "Lord Dundas" is black type, not hot-linked blue text. I couldn't just click-and-go. I had to guess that since he was "created" Baron Douglas, he'd be the person listed at "Baron Douglas". It was not an exhausting chore to get to the article to fact-check something that's not my job to fact-check, but it was more of a chore than it SHOULD have been.2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 (talk) 22:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: PURCHASED an Earldom? At the tail end of the 18th or in the early 19th century?