Talk:Variation of the field

message: The problem about the landscape coats and coat with field "the sea proper" would be better dealt with if there were a separate article on the field.  --Daniel C. Boyer 14:31, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: (First comments)

message: * http://scotshistoryonline.co.uk/HSSforum/viewtopic.php?t=166 — requires login
* http://www.cundinamarca.gov.co/cundinamarca/municipios/frm_iniciomunicipio.asp?codigo=32 — does not show a CoA
—Tamfang 06:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad links 

message: The image shown under the heading Semé seems a bit misleading. It seems a poor example of a "semé" of crowns, and I think it would be better described as "crowns Or in orle within a bordure Gules." I should think a more exemplary specimen would be more appropriate, in order to clarify graphically, rather than muddle, a relatively obscure term for the common WP user, who is surely unfamiliar with how to imagine what a "semé" is when reading a blazon. Many better examples can be found here. Wilhelm meis (talk) 01:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is absolutely false.  Items on a bordure are never blazoned as being "in orle" on the bordure, and semy has a different meaning on a bordure than on the field or on another charge.  --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it absolutely false? Am I wrong in thinking that any of the images I indicated on WM Commons would better exemplify the concept of a semy? If what you say is true, perhaps this could be better explained in the article (with proper references, of course). I study heraldry, and I have an admittedly shaky understanding of this particular term. It is for this reason that I think it is important to clarify this term for the sake of WP users who have no clue what a semy is. Wilhelm meis (talk) 22:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Confusingly, semy is almost invariably interpreted two different ways, the first on fields and every charge except the bordure, the second on the bordure.  When shown on a field or other charge the charges of the semy are shown in a large number, ideally with some of them running off the edges of the shield, to emphasise that they are part of the semy and not a discrete number of charges ordered in some eccentric manner.  When on a bordure the bordure is shown as if charged with a larger number of the charges of the semy than it would be reasonable to blazon, althought the eight of Jesus College is quite low for this phenomenon.  The charges are then interpreted as a bordure semy and not, say, seventeen bezants.  --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If there were no bordure and the device had the same eight crowns in the same position, it would undoubtedly be described as having crowns in orle - which, incidentally, has eight of the same charge by default. Don't get me wrong, I'm not insisting that the description is wrong; I'm just saying that this shouldn't be the one and only image WP has to represent the term "semy" when there are so many images available on the Commons that more clearly illustrate the concept. If there are two distinct concepts of a "semy", both should be graphically represented and adequately described, and if a semy on a bordure is easily confused with an "orle" or a charge "in orle", this disambiguation also needs to be adequately explained in the article (and pictures can help this, too). I would like to see this section expanded a bit, and the "orle" concept mentioned as well. I'm not trying to be a pain, just trying to help get this article a little closer to ideal. Wilhelm meis (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're far from being a pain, and I'd wholeheartedly agree.  Semy should be represented by two pictures, one normal, one for a bordure, and there must be better examples of the latter than Jesus College.  "In orle" really isn't much of an issue beyond, perhaps, that it should be noted that when charges are on a bordure either as a specific number of charges or functioning as semy they are never so described, it's only when they are in the position that would be occupied by a bordure but there's no bordure there that they are.  --Daniel C. Boyer (talk) 14:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nodding in agreement here.  There must be a good France Ancient around somewhere?  And for bordures, how about the first Earl of Cornwall (argent a lion gules, a bordure sable bezanty, if memory serves); or Portugal? — And is it worth mentioning (if the article doesn't already) somewhere that in Continental blazon the color-variants of ermine are considered semy of tails? —Tamfang (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semé 

message: The sentence:
:The most notable coat of arms of an UN member state that uses this pattern is Croatia.
and similar statements have been repeatedly inserted into the article without any references.  While this may be true, Wikipedia requires that verifiability be established by citing at least one reliable source.  Information that is added to Wikipedia's articles without citing sources is considered original research, which does not belong here, as Wikipedia is not a publisher of original research.  Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 23:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bugoslav (talk) 21:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widely known facts ≠ Original research 

message: : The heraldic furs of the ermine family appear to be semé of the "ermine dots," but they are not counted as such; but fields semy of ermine spots are, as in the coat of Wrexham County Borough Council.
So, ah, ermine is not semy except when it is semy?  Perhaps that could be rephrased.  In English, a field like Wrexham's would more usually be blazoned vert ermined argent, but in French the ermine mutants are semy, de sinople semé de mouchetures d'hermeline d'argent (possibly misspelled, my Rietstap is in a box).  —Tamfang (talk) 04:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  when is a fur not a fur 

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message: I've labelled this statement "The arms of Eyfelsberg zum Wehr provide a perhaps unique example of barry of four different tinctures that do not repeat"  as dubious; I intended to link "Eyfelsberg zum Wehr" but  but couldn't find any trace of it outside of this page. Also, the reference given is a bit vague; if it refers to  this book it only goes up to p500. The statement and ref was added with this edit (10 years ago!) and the editor then is unavailable for comment now; can anyone shed any light on this? Swanny18 (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Turns out it was misspelled. 'Weyr', not 'Wehr'. Number 59 on this page. --Morlark (talk) 07:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: I’ve read this sentence under "Patterning with ordinaries and subordinaries; Barry, paly, bendy" too many times:
A field having the appearance of a number of narrow piles throughout issuing from the dexter of sinister flanks is barry pily.
It might make more sense if "of" was changed to "or", but I don’t know enough about this subject to make that change. 
Also, what is the point of the italics at the beginning of the sentence?  For that matter, would the sentence still be correct if it read:
"A field of a number of narrow piles throughout issuing from the dexter or sinister flanks is barry pily."
If so, it would be a little clearer to a newbie like me.   Pollifax (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused newbie