Talk:Orestes Brownson

message: There is no question that Brownson was supportive, for a time, of the faction of Robert Dale Owen and Fanny Wright, in the NY Workingman's Party. But he doesn't even merit an index listing in Walter Hugins' Jacksonian Democracy and the Working Class, one of the standard work on the movement. One of his obituaries contains the claim that he "organized" a Workingman's Party, which may be where Miller gets the idea, but I've never seen any indication that it is correct. Hugins' book, despite some flaws, is the one which pays closest attention to who actually participated in the NY Workingman's Party. I recommend a look at pages 119-120, for a list—with "activity point totals" based on close analysis of party publications—of the leaders of the party. Brownson's name does not appear, though members of factions which were later excluded, such as Thomas Skidmore, do appear. Libertatia 00:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, and thanks for the information.  Feel free to reword (and why not cite this explicitly in the article?).  -- Rbellin|Talk 00:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit more checking. The association with the Free Enquirer, as corresponding editor, doesn't even seem to have been very long. He gets almost no mention in the Workingmen's papers I could check. (Workingman's Vanguard is in the APS Online collection.) What mentions there are refer to his launching of the Herald of Reform. Uncommon Jacksonians, one of the other good histories, mentions him in the context of party debates, but only just as a mention. Libertatia 00:52, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brownson and the Workingman's Party 

message: "His remains were subsequently transferred to the crypt of the Basilica of the Sacred Heart..."
Subsequent to what? --208.62.152.236 00:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing burial?

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I see this on the page as it stands now: "He succeeded in persuading Sophia Ripley, wife of George Ripley,[citation needed] to convert, but few others." There is a link to the page on Sophia Ripley given at her name; details of her life are provided there. Why would there be a need to cite a specific source for each and every datum, for example, here on the phrase "wife of George Ripley"?? Is this vandalism? It certainly seems an overuse of the call for citations. If every sentence in Wikipedia has to have one to five citations, we will have an unmanageable task. Pernimius (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too heavy on the citation needed template? 

message: Orestes Brownson was one of the major American religious and intellectual figures in the nineteenth century. There are many volumes of his works available in the links. I would say that at least on the Catholic scale he should be HIGH in importance, definitely not LOW. Other categories may deserve upgrading too. Anyone disagree? Pernimius (talk) 19:55, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change Catholic importance value to high? 

message: The implication of the article is that Carlyle's book supported Chartism, that Brownson supported Carlyle's view and that this socialist leaning caused controversy.  I read it differently.  Carlyle supported the 'Great Man' view of history. Carlyle's writing is notoriously obscure, though. In the review Brownson said 'We have no patience with his mistiness, vagueness, and singularity.' - hardly a favourable review.  Carlyle's book opposed Chartism with the idea that if the British had a 'Great Man' as a leader then the workers would put aside their agitation.    The review is nearly 15000 words long, most of Brownson putting forward his own ideas, rather than reviewing the book, which explains why it was later issued as The Labouring Classes.  The article seems to imply that this is a new title for Carlyle's Chartism, when it is in fact a title for Brownson's review.  In The Labouring Classes Brownson calls for the dismantling of many institutions, including existing Churches, so it's hardly surprising it caused controversy. Quantropy (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review of Carlyle's ''Chartism'' 

message: It was Brownson's son, also named Orestes August Brownson, who edited the Dubuqe chess journal, not Brownson.   Please see  Ryan, Thomas Orestes Brownson, a Definitive Biography, Our Sunday Visitor, 1976, p. 712''''
https://archive.org/details/orestesabrownson0000ryan/page/712/mode/2up?q=chess&view=theater 130.44.167.72 (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: also if you click on the original citation to the Dubuque website in the article, and you click on Brownson's name, you can see by the dates (1828-1892) that its not the same Brownson. 130.44.167.72 (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubuque Chess Journal