Talk:Colostrum

message: Possible correction needed: I believe that in humans, the only immunoglobulins in colostrum are IgG, IgA, and IgM (as per http://classes.ansci.uiuc.edu/ansc438/Motherneonate/immunoglobulintransport.html). Can anyone confirm which antibodies are in fact transmitted in the colostrum?   Yes, IgG (Type I and II), IgA, IgM, IgD, and IgE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Odd Loaf (talk • contribs) 01:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Which immunoglobulins?

message: French article translation via systran:
The colostrum is the name given to the milk secreted by the mammals
females at the end of the gestation and in the first days (3࠴)
according to parturition.
Of yellowish color, it is very rich in essential proteins and
antibodies with the immunization of the new-born baby and low in
sugars. The types of antibodies met in the colostrum depend on the
infectious agents to which the mother was exposed lasting her
existance, either naturally, or by vaccination.
The new-born baby is able to absorb the antibodies in the first times
after the birth, as long as the permeability of the intestinal cells
makes it possible to let pass these large molecules. Thereafter the
antibodies are destroyed during the processius digestion. This
transmission cannot be done during gestation because the placenta is
impermeable with the antibodies.
The new-born babies nourished with the centre are immunized thus
better than those nourished with the feeding-bottle.
In the bovine breeding, one holds the name of colostrum to the product
of the first draft. That collected then until the 4e day is a milk of
transition whose composition approaches gradually that of the
unskimmed milk. The colostrum of cow is very rich in proteins (14 %
instead of 3,2 % in milk on average), in antibody (6 %), vitamin A and
biogenic salts. It is also fattier (6,7 % instead of 3,2 %).
Marketed milk should not contain traces of colostrum.
The antibodies contained in the colostrum are generally specific to
each species. However preparations containing of the bovine colostrum
are sold like dietetic supplements with the virtues miracle in
particular to resist ageing.
--ZayZayEM 13:58, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: (The milk of each mammal contains different components in different ratios according to what is best suited for that mammal's digestive system and unique needs...why protein, which is easily and quickly digested by humans, is responsible for the soft curds in a breastfed baby's stools. Cow's milk (and infant formula) is about 80 percent casein protein, which is good for calves' multi-stomach digestive system, but harder for human babies to digest. In early lactation, the ratio of whey protein to casein protein in human milk is about 90:10. By six weeks it is about 80:20; by six months, 60:40.(Breastfeeding Answer Book, p 21))
Most of this doesn't concern colostrum; it is describing breast milk in general.  Joyous | Talk 20:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: From the French article

message: Much of this page (as it is on 23 October 2006) was added on 26 September 2006 by User:84.233.149.230. Anthony Appleyard 12:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Big wad of matter added by 84.233.149.230

message: You have a lot of information on the human colostrum but what about the ruminant colostrum? 
In the ruminants the colostrum is important to get all the anti-bodies and the micro-organisms for the rumen to start to develop. Without this first milk after the first few hours of being born the animal will not survive.
58.168.168.203 23:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article remains very skewed toward human colostrum, 2 years later.  Time to tag it . --Una Smith (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colostrum 

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD|WikiProject Food and drink]] Tagging

message: I removed the list of unsorted links (seen here), because they are very different in scope, and needs to be connected with a related statement in the article before being reinserted. As to beneficial effects, it is the adult ones that were related to in the section above, and, as far as I can see, there is limited evidence. In contrast, many of the dumped links were to studies of infant colostrum distribution, where there is a larger collection of beneficial evidence. Mikael Häggström (talk) 12:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of unsorted links

message: Regarding the "Adult Consumption" section: what about using Colostrum to gain weight (such as for those who are skinny)? Some natural doctors/nutritionists put their thin patients on bovine Colostrum for weight-gain, but I guess the effectiveness of doing that would have to also be mentioned. (I have no idea if it works or not. It's hard enough to find mention of Colostrum being used for weight-gain on the net)--[ Dario D. ] 09:10, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Colostrum would be an exceptionally expensive source of calories.  --Una Smith (talk) 20:32, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colostrum for Gaining Weight 

message: See discussion at WikiProject Medicine. Neurotip (talk) 15:31, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs a reorganization, with separate sections on human, bovine, and equine colostrum.  The equine situation is kind of unique because unlike cattle breeders, the majority of horse breeders (so called "backyard" breeders) produce only one foal at a time.  So the market problems and demand for community networks are similar for human and horse colostrum.  In the bovine section, put human consumption of bovine colostrum.  In the human section, add a subsection about milk banking in NICUs and collective milk banks.  --Una Smith (talk) 00:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The section on human consumption is aggressively promotional, which could be an indicatation that the views expressed are controversial.  If so, the opposing arguments should be presented.Yoodge (talk) 06:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed some uncited promotional text and dubious sources. Do negative studies or opposing arguments exist? If they do feel free to add them to the article.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 06:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Removed some more remaining problematic wording. Do you think that there are any remaing significant issues in that section that need resolved? If not then you can remove the tag/banner. :)--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 09:47, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst most points are referenced, the overall effect is really poor. Major claims of effectiveness or treatment are being made (or infered), when in fact only a few old studies exist. The article seriously lacks the secondary (vs primary study) sources needed per WP:MEDRS to establish that an effect been confirmed in subsequent studies, been shown to be clinically useful, or establish any role in mainstream treatments (i.e. was effect sufficient, or other reasons why not been routinely established). I've tidied up the references giving fuller citation details and PubMed links to the abstract (or full articles), and toned down the WP:Peacocking somewhat - but still most of this remains in research cloud cuckoo land as far as general established clinical practice goes. David Ruben  Talk  01:15, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colostrum article may be POV/promotional 

message: "Thus, supplementation with bovine colostrum (20 g/d) in combination with exercise training for 8 wk may increase bone-free lean body mass in active men and women" 
Bone free?
wk?
WHAT? Somebody fix this  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.237.239.57 (talk) 02:48, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just, what?? 

message: This assertion that cow's milk is harmful for human consumption lacks support, and is out of place in any case.
The assertion:
"Bovine colostrum and its components are as harmful for human consumption as other bovine lactic secretions"
John Hasler jhasler@newsguy.com
184.158.8.179 (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed 

message: The article cites papers older than 20 years but refers to those in the main text with words like "now, recently" and such. Fepu80 (talk) 16:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: See MOS:DATED and feel free to update the article accordingly. S0091 (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update citations needed 

message: There is an uncited section about "companion animals", which is a very vague term and seems out of place. Why not just say 'other animals' or 'pets'? As far as I can tell, it doesn't make a difference whether the animal is a companion/pet or not. Is this section trying to imply that pets need to be fed colostrum by their owners? I just don't understand the purpose of this section... Pythagimedes (talk) 02:17, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Companion animals? 

message: Molozyvo (ukr. молозиво) means colostrum, not cheese made from colostrum. Cheese made from colostrum is called "сир із молозиву" (cheese from colostrum). 212.34.119.70 (talk) 21:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molozyvo is not a dish