Talk:List of people from Lethbridge

message: Kmsiever, Why are you deleting my entry for David Hoffos?  Leave it alone. - Thamiel, October 24, 2006
:You may want to look before you write. David Hoffos is listed. --Kmsiever 22:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: David Hoffos

message: Can someone cite a source that confirms Earl Bascom was from Lethbridge? Every source I found says he either ranched in Welling or California. --Kmsiever 15:15, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am about as close to the horse's mouth as you can get, as the late Earl Bascom is my father.  He was born in Vernal, Utah in 1906. By 1909, the family had moved to the adjacent town of Naples, Utah. In 1914, the family moved to Raymond, Alberta where Earl's father, John W. Bascom, was hired by Ray Knight as a ranch foreman.  The older boys (including Earl) lived on the Milk River Ridge at the SNO Ranch working as ranch hands. In 1915, John W. was made foreman of the Butte Ranch, north of Raymond at Temple Butte, where they lived until they leased a ranch at Welling in 1916, running cattle in Pot Hole Creek Coulee. (It was at Welling that the Bascom boys made rodeo's first side-delivery bucking chute.) In the fall of 1916, the Bascoms moved back to Naples, Utah until the spring of 1917 when they acquired a ranch in New Dayton, Alberta.  They sold that ranch in 1919 and moved to Lethbridge until they moved to Stirling, Alberta in the Spring of 1924.  (It was at Lethbridge where Earl and his father made rodeo's first reverse-opening side-delivery bucking chute in 1919 and Earl made rodeo's first hornless bronc saddle in 1922. And it was at Stirling in 1924 that Earl made rodeo's first one-hand bareback riggging, as well as rodeo's first high-cut riding chaps in 1926.) The Bascom family remained in Stirling until 1927 when they moved to Raymond.  But Earl moved to the Coutts/Sweetgrass area to work on the Cross D Ranch in Montana and Alberta.  And before winter hit in 1927, he moved to Colorado to his uncle's ranch, coming back to Raymond in 1928.  He was back in Colorado working there in 1930 and 31.  Then back to Raymond.  In 1933, he entered BYU at Provo, Utah.  In 1935, he moved to Mississippi, producing a rodeo in Columbia which is now known in rodeo history as the first rodeo held outdoors at night under electric lights.  He was there for three years 1935,36,and 37, during which time he served a mission in Mississippi under President LeGrand Richards. He then went back to BYU, got married in 1939 and graduated from BYU in 1940 before moving to California that summer.  As you can see, the Lethbridge era of his life is most significant where some of his geatest contributions to rodeo history were made. He had such a varied and interesting life it sometimes is hard to follow.  Earl sometimes spoke of a boyhood friend of his who was born in one of the Mormon colonies in Mexico of American parents, raised in a Mormon colony in Canada and was then living in the United States, and who would ask himself, "Who am I? What am I? Maybe a Mexican-Canadian-American?" Dad said that he felt the same way as to where he was from. He is highly revered in Mississippi, honored in Colorado, but born in Utah and raised in Canada with parents that were Canadian citizens.  This has been rather lengthy but I hope it clears up some of your questions. DesertCowboy 08:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While this may be true, it is original research. We need a cited source. In addition, I would hardly call five years as "a large part or formative part of [his] career in that city", as the lead sentence of this article states. --Kmsiever 14:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Earl Bascom certainly qualifies because the most significant and "formative part of (his) career in that city" took place during those 5 years in Lethbridge wherein he developed the side-delivery bucking chute and the hornless bronc saddle.  These two innovations are highly revered throughout the rodeo world and are of the very basis for his being inducted into several Halls of Fame as well as to being listed among the great excogitators and innovators of all time.  Earl Bascom should not be compared to some Lethbridge college student whose real residence is elsewhere and who did nothing of significance or "formative" in his career during that schooling. Earl Bascom's permanent residence was at the time Lethbridge, not somewhere else. It was there where his two rodeo innovations changed the sport of rodeo to the extent that he has been called the "father of modern rodeo."  Without those two important innovation he certainly would not be so considered.  This Lethbridge event in his life  certainly is a "formative part of his career". Earl Bascom resided in Lethbridge longer than he did anywhere else in Canada, longer than in Raymond or New Dayton or Stirling or Welling.  Each of these towns honor him for his time in their history, only Lethbridge seems to not want him.  If five "formative" and significant years in Lethbridge is not enough then perhaps no Canadian town should honor him as they each had him as resident for less time than Lethbridge. With this standard of measurement, perhaps not even the country of Canada should honor him as he lived outside of Canada longer than within its borders.  It really comes down to the subjective decision by you as to whether or not you feel Earl Bascom's Lethbridge period was "formative". I say it was.DesertCowboy 17:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I am confused. For example, the Earl Bascom article states he was a professional rodeo cowboy and that this career spanned 34 years. That's only 15% of his career. In fact, his last 16 years in this career were after Lethbridge. In addition, according to his article, only two of his eight inventions were built in Lethbridge. All that being said, none of the information you have given has been cited. do you have anything other than your word that he lived in Lethbridge for the time period given. Take a look at the others in this list. They were either born and raised in Lethbridge or they have made Lethbridge their home. None of them came to Lethbridge for five years and then left again. --Kmsiever 04:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Earl Bascom

message: Reverted vanadlism. 167.1.163.100 (talk) 03:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kmsiever, as this is a work in progress, please discuss any reversions via the talk page before following through with them. 167.1.163.100 (talk) 03:24, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point of this article is to link to articles on Wikipedia of Lethbridgians. None of the links you added pointed to an article about someone notable from/in Lethbridge. --Kmsiever (talk) 03:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lack of a wikipedia article does not constitute non-notability in and of itself, there are many list articles which point to wp:stubs or non-existant articles in the intention that an article on the subject will be made at a later date. Please be patient with the expansion of this encyclopedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.1.163.100 (talk) 03:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is true, but the additions you have provided do not include any indication of notability. There is no link to an article on Wikipedia and no citation. Before adding these four individuals again, please oprovide some sort of proof that establishes their notability. The lead of this article specifically states "this is a list of notable people who are from Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada or have spent a large part or formative part of their career in that city." You are adding these four individuals, so the onus is on you to establish that they are notable enough to be added to a list of notable people.  --Kmsiever (talk) 03:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As I have indicated, this is a work in progress, and articles establishing their notability are forthcoming at this time. <B>Please</b> allow a minimal grace period before reverting articles as pedantic revisions do more harm to the Wikipedia's mission than good. I understand vandalism and non-notability are systemic issues in such a large project, but thoroughness, not speediness, are the appropriate method of combatting it. Further disruptive edits will be referred to dispute resolution if necessary. 167.1.163.100 (talk) 03:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Forthcoming by whom? Rachel Trudeau perhaps? Pendantic revision (if they truly are pendantic) are far more helpful to Wikipedia's mission that random additions of one's name and the names of one's friends. Please refrain from adding these names without providing proof of notability. At the very least, provide a secondary source that proves these four individuals are indeed notable. --Kmsiever (talk) 04:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted vandalism