Talk:The Dillinger Escape Plan

message: why was the genre listing TDEP as "Experimental metal" taken away? they fall into that category unmistakably and their albums are listed multiple times as "Experimental metal/mathcore". I've re-added the genre. I hope this doesn't meet with any arguments as it's a pretty easy thing to agree with. RPTechnic (talk) 23:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Experimental

message: It appears this page has been vandalized in several areas, replacing Weinman with "Wankman" and crediting Ben Wienman with "dildoflutes."
Could someone more well versed in Wiki operation restore the page from a previous draft?
Fumbingehmer  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fumbingehmer (talk • contribs) 01:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Chris did not leave the band because he got an offer from Coheed he couldn't refuse.  I don't know where whoever wrote that came up with that BS, but Chris leaving the band was innevitable due to irreconcilable differences between him and Weinman.76.115.66.224 (talk) 12:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Pennie leaving band

message: Can anyone provide a source saying Jeff Tuttle is in the band? I've never heard of him. MrHate 10:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jeff Tuttle

message: The sidebar on the right has an image of five people, but the caption only lists four names. Could someone remedy this?
They have a new image in an interview but I don't know how to add images. However, here is the link. It shows Ben, Greg, and Liam but no image of Jeff or Gil but at least it is a recent photo of them. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1564675/20070712/dillinger_escape_plan.jhtml
Suffor 21:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is owned by Relapse Records.  You'll need to sort out the license and ownership first.  We cannot unfortunately add any image to Wikipedia just because it exists.  The KZA 00:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEP Image 

message: In this interview with fans, someone mentioned they'd heard about a set Dillinger did where they dressed up as the boys from My Chemical Romance, and asked for pictures of it.  Greg said he didn't know if any existed, but at some point in time, Dillinger were on Fuse's "Steven's Rock Show", or whatever it's called, doing an interview, and for the last portion of it they donned their MCR costumes.  It's very possible someone could've screencapped it.  Does any one have any screens? —Jeff 20:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If verifiable, this would be a nice addition to the Trivia section. —Bvoppen 19:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEP as MCR 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dillinger Escape Plan - Plagiarism EP.jpg

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message: I think DEP deserves a (well-sourced) 'style and influences' section. We should link to it from the genre part in the infobox (like the Queen (band), System of a Down, etc articles have) to make clear DEP is more than just mathcore. I'll try to look up some info sooner or later. Please help wherever you can. Emmaneul (Talk) 19:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  genre 

message: Is it being disputed that James Love is a past member of Dillinger? Is it being disputed that the James Love currently linked is someone else entirely? Is it disputed that The Dillinger Escape Plan do not easily fall into one conclusive genre of music? Is it disputed that Dillinger is known for off meter, polymetric arrangements? What about Ben managing the band? The album being done? Jeff Tuttle taking the place of James Love?
 --GongAYong 12:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias, irrelevence and assorted? 

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message: Can anyone add anything about the origins of the name?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.161.7 (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomenclature

message: The article states that The Dillinger Escape Plan is sometimes know as DEP. As far as I know, it's more commonly abbreviated with TDEP. Even if you search in the discussion page over here, there are a lot of matches for TDEP. Anyway, I just added a redirect page for TDEP and added the abbreviation to the article. --EdSchouten (talk) 17:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DEP <-> TDEP 

message: I added the grindcore category. For the record I think mathcore is a perfectly reasonable genre listing the DEP, which is why I haven't changed the info box. They do however utilise grindcore elements in their sound and I feel the category should be as inclusive as possible in order to avoid pointless edit wars and arguments on band discussion pages. As per WP:RS, my reference to justify this inclusion is Extreme Metal, Keith Kahn-Harris (2007), Berg Publishers, , p.4: "Contemporary grindcore bands such as The Dillinger Escape Plan and Agoraphobic Nosebleed have developed avant-garde versions of the genre incorporating frequent time signature changes and complex sounds that at times recall free jazz." Blackmetalbaz (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, DEP "utilise grindcore elements," but The Dillinger Escape Plan do not play grindcore, just as Venom did not play punk rock. And the source? A single line of text, taken from a book which does not focus on extreme metal, but the extreme metal scene. 68.47.81.164 (talk) 03:42, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is however a reliable source, written by someone with a well-documented history of writing for extreme metal publications. The book does indeed deal primarily with 'scene' aspects of extreme metal but this does not in itself invalidate it. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone needs to leave the grindcore thing alone, though I'm positive I know who has been pushing this agenda on this and the grindcore articles. Anyone who knows what grind is wouldn't posit DEP as such and until there's a consensus in the know that they are, this should be left deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.50.156 (talk) 00:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The reference used for erroneous inclusion of "grindcore" in the genre box is a subpar opinion piece/tour report by Iann Robinson, who goes on to claim "Ending the whole festival was the Dillinger Escape plan, the grindcore/metal outfit that sounds like calculus played through loud amps and tuned down to heavy-as-hell tuning" even though Dillinger never tune down lower than D standard (which isn't very low in modern terms) and that Today is the Day are "grindcore". Iann Robinson's opinions have always been questionable, especially in light of the his other comments in the article that seem only half-informed, therefore so is this citation. If it really comes down to it, whoever is deadset on positing the false notion that Dillinger should offer some actual proof since NO INFORMED PARTY has ever made this claim. And even if someone could argue for "grindcore influence", influence doesn't make them grind.Karen_Carpentry (talk) 00:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Grindcore category

message: Is it me, or does anyone else have the feeling that DEP have built more of an Alternative metal-influenced sound through their mathcore style of play from their most recent album Ire Works? I think this point could be slightly evident to the fact that one of their most notable subgenres on their myspace is 'Alternative'.
Anyone else agree?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Funkmetalhead16 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Myspace is not a reliable source. And obviously, Myspace Music doesn't have an option for 'mathcore'. Find a source and feel free to include it but make sure you read WP:RS first. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:39, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New DEP Genre influence? 

message: is is notable that they only learned that chris had left through wikipedia on the coheed and cambria page? its in this months hit parader magazine.♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 19:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There was other pages & stuff that were online before Ire Works release. Tribestros 21:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hit Parader 

message: Really, honestly this page looks like crud.  I had it at a B rating, now it's probably nowhere close because of all the reverting.  You are all dumbasses.  Tribestros (talk) 14:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting This Page...

message: The members section on this page is getting messy and complicated. Perhaps this information should have its own page such as List of Slipknot band members and List of Offspring band members? Fezmar9 (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move members section to its own page? 

message: Looks like someone redirected the discography page to this one without really thinking about it. There's now no mention anywhere of their five EPs. Can someone change this back? Pwrong (talk) 12:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography Page 

message: Shouldn't progressive metal be listed within the genre box aswell? NoremacDaGangsta (talk) 22:13, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mathcore is technical metalcore, so no. - GunMetal Angel 19:33, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive metal 

message: I added that he was formerly of the band error.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.159.37 (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greg Puciato Error 

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message: Just because a band is no longer recording new material and is planning to disband, doesn't mean they already have.
When an artist is still actively setting dates for shows, and subsequently performing, it means they are active.
Their official website says their final show takes place in Tokyo on October 28. That means October this year. Feel free to notice the date in my signature. Rhe dm i (talk) 4:08, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the subject of DEP's disbandment 

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message: Just wondering if any one has any photos pre-2005 they can upload to makes the article look nicer theirs quite a few available after 2005 but not before. NDLSS (talk) 20:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked on Flickr the other day but I've only found copyrighted images so far. Ojo del tigre (talk) 12:40, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: I've rarely seen the band been called grindcore or any of their albums with the exception of their debut. Just wondering if any one agrees on the removal of grindcore in the infobox, the other four genres fit the band so much better in my opinion.  OBLIVIUS (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a reason it says "(early)". dannymusiceditor  oops  00:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just feels pointless to me as it represents one album rather than the band it's self.OBLIVIUS (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I count one, two, three, four, five references in the body of the article which hold support of it. I haven't looked at their content yet so my point might be moot, but at the moment it looks like the support for grindcore is pretty firm. dannymusiceditor  oops  20:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grindcore in infobox 

message: This article mentions the name of the band SIX times in the first three paragraphs. I think that's pretty hilarious (and tedious.) Hamster Sandwich (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I took a crack at smoothing out that unwieldy beast of a header section. I don't really like that the name of an earlier band is mentioned in there, that info should go in the "History" section.... and I REALLY DO NOT LIKE the lack of citations for any of the material that has made an affirmation of facts. You might know it's true... I might know it's true... but that don't make it necessarily so. I am shocked to find this has been rated so highly on the quality scale. My only purpose here was to try to make that section a bit more readable. Shocked. Hamster Sandwich (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: How many times?