Talk:Medellín

message: We currently write about Medellín without even mentioning drugs or violence. This seems wrong to me. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:05, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
This is article is missing many important facts like Medellin is the "murder capital" and the Cartel de Medellin -- Elpaisa1  (5 Dec 2005)
Why we have to point out always the negative!! (Raniya 22:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because we are an encyclopedia, not a travel brochure. Just like the article on Seattle, where I live, mentions its history of a boom-and-bust economy, and the fact that about 1.5% of its population is homeless. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:59, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Drugs and violence

message: I've begun copy editing the Medellín article, which wasn't written by a native speaker. I don't plan to change any of the meaning except to remove P.R. if it is too obvious. Evangeline (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: English Copy Editing

message: Please help me adding information about the economy of medellin!! if you discussed facts before maybe you should put them in the article, it will not do any good if it stays in the discussion page when they've been answered... I'm going to add what I know about Medellin's economy but correct me if I'm wrong.. --Don Quijote's Sancho 05:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Industrial Center 2

message: In the section on ethnicities we had:This section is very misleading, it talks about Medellin being avery ethnically diverse city, when it is not, mostly made up of the same races mixing, and it not being a port any thing of the sort makes it hard to believe a large Middle eastern population. m²
I dont think there was much foreign influence in the racial make up of medellin, i farly doubt 70% is white, more of a mestizo mix, and its widely known that medellin is made up of the same basic lineage, thus having the same last names, which is why i differ with the article stating there is a lof of foreing decendance, unlike Barranquilla were many families can trace there heritage to the middle east, italy, germany, china, etc just by the last names present, in Medellin the makeup is basically mestizo. 
The ethnicities in Medellín are made up of Europeans, Amerindians, and some African slave descendants, with some influence of people from the Middle Eastern countries, that came in different migration waves and mixed with each other to form a very ethnically diverse society. The most dominant being Israel, Syria and Lebanon. 
I had asked for citation on this, commenting "What I'm asking for here is citation on these three nationalities; for example, I really doubt there is a "dominant" Israeli presence in Medellín." A response came "There is no 'dominant presence', but there are Isrealy communities that join with Romanian and german jews that settled in medellin more than 60 years ago." I'm assuming "Isrealy" means to say "Israeli". German and Romanian Jews are not Middle Eastern (except in the sense of where their ancestors presumably came from 2,000 years ago; that sort of standard would make Germans and Hungarians Asian) or Israeli (in any sense). And "dominant" here is a very loaded wordThe current wording suggests (to me, at least) that the Israelis, Syrians and Lebanese somehow "dominate" the Europeans, Amerindians, and Africans; I doubt this is true, and it is a very odd thing to say without citation. 
Barring citation to the contrary, I am changing this to:
The ethnicities in Medellín are made up of Europeans, Amerindians, and some African slave descendants, with some influence of people from the Middle Eastern countries such as Israel, Syria and Lebanon. Descendants of a series of waves of immigration have mixed with each other to form a very ethnically diverse society. 
Jmabel | Talk 05:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dominant" ethnicities 

message: I corrected the name of the Spanish conqueror that founded Medellin to Francisco Herrera y Campuzano, my source is the municipality's official website, www.medellin.gov.co. Prietojuane 02:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Foundation

message: The opening paragraph contains the statement:
"It is the second main city of the country, after Bogotá."
I am not sure what this means. Does it mean the second largest city? Or does it mean that it's a second capital of the country? Many languages identify a nation's capital city as a main city so maybe it was just translated literally. This should be fixed because it can be confusing in it's current description. SWik78 13:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Second main city?" 

message: I hope this is a work in progress because some of the revamp looks suspect to me, like a tourist brochure.
"The city is today a very safe place"
Hmm....I personally have a problem calling a city with a +30 per 100,000 murder rate safe. Would Chicago or Los Angeles be called "very safe"? Their murder rates are far lower than Medellín's. Correct me if I'm wrong but it's my understanding that most of Medellín's murders are inflicted by the urban poor on one another instead of the highly structured cartel violence, even going back to the early 90's. Please forgive me if I have your intentions mixed up. Thank you very much.
:"The city is today a very safe place": Of course this idea has to be read in context. "Safe place" means that you can visit it safely. Almost all modern cities have urban violence and 30 per 100,000 is considered "normal" under modern standards. Anyway, the sentence can be removed, since statistics speak alone. Thanks. --AL (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: if you have such an information with sources, you are welcome to edit the article accordingly. --AL (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: What is such an "encyclopedic tone'" and where the current version is violating" the NPOV? Welcome to clean up, but the article has enough references to prove it is not violating the NPOV, at least since my point of view. Therefore, I will put attention to your clean since it should be according to the NPOV and respecting the current references. I am more concern for the English redaction. Most of the references have been translated from the Spanish version where it is a featured article and references have been proven real. --AL (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV? 

message: I've changed this article's assessment to C-class from Start-class. It's clearly no longer a start anymore, and developing some clear structure and order. Some of the language is still a little choppy in places, and could use a good copyedit by a native english speaker. The history section seems to be a little heavy on the subsections, and some of those could be combined. Some of the subsections overall could have shorter and more concise titles as well. There are a good number of photos in the article, which is good, but they seem to be cluttered over on the right side of the article, and should probably be placed a bit more evenly. Also, many of the image captions are very, and should be shortened as well. Photo captions, as a rule, shouldn't really introduce any new content to the article, and should be brief enough to simply describe the photo they're attached to. All photos should also be relevant to the article text and sections that they are placed in as well, with some sort of text in the main article discussing it.
A couple of wiki guidelines and such to help out: WP:LEAD for improving the lead section, WP:CITE for the formatting of citations, and WP:MOS for general manual of style information. While there's no specific guideline at WP:CITIES for South American cities, editors might find the US city guideline to have useful information nonetheless. It may also help to take a look at the Good Article criteria as well as the Featured Article criteria, for tips on moving towards those review/rating classifications. Dr. Cash (talk) 03:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not a native english speaker, but I tried to correct a few mistakes. I got to the "Medellin master plan" section, and will try to continue later. --Otherox (talk) 17:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know anything much about Medellín but I am a good native-English copy editor and will work on the article. I also took out stuff that was just P.R., which is pretty recognizable. Evangeline (talk) 20:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:CITIES]] assessment

message: Insólito lo que se escucha en las calles de Medellín. Se dice que la Notaria 30 de Medellín (San Antonio de Prado)'Texto en negrita' se reubicara en el centro de Medellín. Acaso esta Notaría no fue creada exclusivamente para el corregimiento de San Antonio de Prado, de acuerdo a la Resolución No. 6560 de 28 de septiembre de 2007? Será que la política puede más que la razón de ser de la notaría como tal? Servir a la comunidad de San Antonio de Prado y no moverla a un sector completamente alejado por caprichos políticos!!! OJO, EN ESTA NOTARIA NO HAY NOTARIO EN PROPIEDAD!
'Resolución No. 6560 de 28 de septiembre de 2007.' 
 
Por la cual se determina la localización de unas notarías para la prestación del servicio público notarial.
LA SUPERINTENDENTE DE NOTARIADO Y REGISTRO
 
En ejercicio de las facultades conferidas por el numeral 3º  del artículo 13 del decreto 412 de 2007  e inciso 2 del  artículo 157 del decreto ley 960 de 1970, y 
 
CONSIDERANDO: 
Que el Gobierno Nacional mediante  Decretos  3488, 3489 y 3490 de 13 de septiembre de 2007, creó  las notarías  treinta (30) y treinta y una ( 31) del Círculo de Medellín, (Antioquia),  doce (12)  del Círculo de Barranquilla, (Atlántico) y Cuarta del Círculo de Santa Marta (Magdalena), respectivamente.  
Que los mencionados Decretos autorizan a la Superintendencia para que mediante resolución determine la localización específica para el funcionamiento de las mencionadas notarías. 
Que el  inciso  2º del artículo 157 del Decreto Ley 960 de 1970, modificado por el artículo 44 del Decreto 2163 de 1970, expresa:  “(...)” . 
” La Superintendencia de Notariado y Registro determinará la localización de las notarías en los círculos de primera y segunda categoría,  de modo que  a los usuarios del mismo les sea posible utilizarlo en la forma más fácil y conveniente de acuerdo  con la extensión y característica de cada ciudad. 
Que por lo tanto, la Superintendente de Notariado y Registro, acatando las disposiciones legales que la facultan para señalar la localización de las nuevas notarías y teniendo en cuenta las necesidades de cada una de las ciudades en que se crearon, además de las condiciones de accesibilidad, agilidad, y cercanía  para la ciudadanía, 
 
R E S U E LV E: 
ARTICULO PRIMERO. Las Notarías Treinta (30) y Treinta y Una ( 31) del Círculo de Medellín, (Antioquia),  Doce (12)  del Círculo de Barranquilla, (Atlántico) y Cuarta del Círculo de Santa Marta (Magdalena), se ubicarán para la prestación del servicio,  en las siguientes localidades:  
NOTARIA CIRCULO NOTARIAL LOCALIDAD 
 
NOTARIA TREINTA (30)  
MEDELLÍN (Antioquia)  
SAN ANTONIO DE PRADO 
 
NOTARIA TREINTA Y UNA (31)  
MEDELLÍN (Antioquia)  
TERMINAL DEL SUR COMUNA 15 
 
NOTARIA DOCE (12)  
BARRANQUILLA (Atlántico)  
MURILLO SUR OCCIDENTE  
 
NOTARIA  CUARTA (4)   
SANTA MARTA (Magdalena)  
El RODADERO   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.116.132.252 (talk) 03:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long post in legal spanish 

message: Which is considered the correct way to write the words that in spanish has diacritic accent for this article in english (á,é,í,ó,ú instead of a,e,i,o,u)? 
This is important because in this article you can find many nouns that originally has diacritic accent, like Medellín, instead of Medellin, chocó instead of Choco, quindío instead of Quindio, etc. Alejocolon (talk) 16:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like Medellín should not be translated, because it's a proper noun (formal name of the city). I would think the same thing applies to other proper nouns as well. Not sure about the rest? Dr. Cash (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I am wondering about that. In the Spanish it shows where the stress would fall. No English speaker would understand that. I am thinking, for example, Salvador Dali. It may be better to cut it? SimonTrew (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar issues on Medellin article 

message: Is this really the accepted term in Colombia for an inhabitant? I would have thought that "Medellino" would be more likely.
:Correct term is Medellinenses.  pablohablo. 12:20, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medellinean 

message: I'm surprised that this article hasn't been put up for complete overhaul. It has all the makings of a travel brochure.
It lacks references, citations, it's not written in a neutral tone, it uses a lot of weaseling, etc.
"Because of the pleasant springlike climate all year, Medellín is known as..." - is this relevant?
The "ethnographic" make-up just makes me laugh. Other than not having any reference at all, it just doesn't make any sense: White 70% and Mestizo 20%? It should be exactly the other way around. There's hardly anybody in Medellín (and all of Colombia for that matter) who isn't mixed, and it's even hard to determine for those who look more "European".
"The Paisa culture has a Spanish background, and is traditionally Catholic, entrepreneurial, hard-working, and famously hospitable."? Come on... this is obviously not Encyclopaedia-like.
What's the procedure for tagging this article with the warning signs that bad articles have to display at the top of the page? Smayorgat (talk) 12:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The procedure for adding those tags is - go ahead and do it; same as the procedure for improving the article.  pablohablo. 12:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I do agree some of the stuff in here seem brochureish. But I am not sure about the race do... I havent found any sources. The figures do seem to be arbitrary so for the time being I think it would  be best to remove them if no one finds any sources to back it up. Regardless, I have to point out that the majority of people living in Medellin are clearly white, or light skinned. Caucassian, probably not. But white hispanic. I am not sure weather the percentage is quite as high as 70 percent, but the diference between white and meztiso can become blurry, and from a Colombian point of view, anyone with light skin is white. Even if they have features asociated with native Americans. So 70 percent, arbitrary as it may seem, doesn't sound all that unlikely. --201.233.76.36 (talk) 21:34, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Travel brochure 

message: Who exactly are the indigenous peoples of what is now Medellin? The Paez people?????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.247.172 (talk) 01:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics 

message: Hello,
I don't know how to change things in Wikipedia, but I noticed that the entries for the cities of Medellin and Cali both mention that each is the second largest city of Columbia. Obviously, one is wrong and should be corrected.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.203.167.208 (talk) 06:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory Information 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Medell%C3%ADn&curid=340197&diff=343838583&oldid=343722209
Besides the bad English, I notice some uncited changes of facts. I have no idea whether they are corrections or the opposite, so I'm leaving this to someone more knowledgeable - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would someone check this edit? 

message: Is there anyway to get the montage of pictures from Medellin back?? I am sorry but those pictures were very good pictures and should not have been deleted. Whoever deleted them should contact the user who posted them to see if he has a way to get the copyright permission to post the pictures back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malejotm (talk • contribs) 21:21, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medellin pictures montage 

message: I changed the Spanish IPA pronunciation for the name of the city considering the dialectal difference of how the name should be pronounced in "standard" Spanish and how it is actually pronounced in the City of Medellín. Barring any prescriptivist notions by any over-zealous Spaniard, the pronunciation as it has been edited is the correct way that the citizens of the city pronounce and it should stay that way. Any socio-linguistic or historical-linguistic study of Medellín will confirm this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.117.216.162 (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There might be some dispute about the representation words with ll, but the current practice is to either transcribe it them with  or , depending on if yeísmo is typical of the area in question.  Thus, in a sense, the transcription is local.  The guideline, Help:IPA for Spanish isn't super clear about this, but my understanding is that  is used to mean any non- realization of this diaphoneme.  If you have an issue with this practice, you might want to bring it up at Help talk:IPA for Spanish so that if you have a compelling case, we can adjust other Spanish transcriptions as well. — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 16:55, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Issues 

message: Isn't 'VivaColombia's hub in Medellín? --Forich (talk) 04:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they operate out of Rio Negro. -- Irn (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airlines 

message: word cocaine does not even appear once in the entire article even though the harvesting, and exportation of the drug (or so it's argued) is known to have brought in most of the wealth for the city (infrastructure, etc).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.143.139 (talk) 17:55, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  cocaine 

message: So far this is the only part in the entire article that even mentions the Medellín Cartel or Escobar: <BLOCKQUOTE>Medellín was once known as the most violent city in the world, a result of an urban war set off by the drug cartels at the end of the 1980s. As the home of the Medellín Cartel funded by Pablo Escobar, the city was victim of the terror caused by the war between the organization headed by Escobar, and competing organizations such as "El Cartel del Valle". However, after the death of Escobar, crime rates in the city have decreased dramatically.</BLOCKQUOTE> Both are unquestionably linked to the wealth and danger of this city and deserve more than just three short statements. I would argue that the cartel is more widely known than the city itself. This at least warrants a mention in the lead, and undoubtedly the economy section. We don't need to write about all cartels etc., but this is a special case. Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 12:58, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. This failure is a clear violation of WP:LEAD. If a topic deserves a heading or subheading, then it deserves short mention in the lead. I'm going to fix this one failure, and I expect others to start looking at all the other sections and ensuring that they too are mentioned. For tips, look at my essay: WP:CREATELEAD. -- BullRangifer (talk) 04:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aversion of [[WP:OBVIOUS]] 

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message: The article states that the intention of Operation Orion was to "to disband the urban militias of the FARC and the AUC." This is false. Not only has it been well documented, but when I lived in Medellin it was obvious to every Colombian, that Operation Orion was meant to disband only the FARC militias, and was carried out with the decisive collaboration of the AUC. And while the FARC were indeed disbanded, the AUC - locally led by Don Berna - had free reign in the city thereafter. 108.6.186.87 (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The most significant question for the purposes of Wikipedia is whether you have reliable sources attesting to this, not just what you believe to be 'obvious'. If it's that well documented, you should have no problem providing sources here, on the talk page, for discussion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Operacion Orion was just for dismantle FARC, it was made with the support of AUC, in this article of revista Semmana you will see a picture taken for Jesus Abad Colorado, which an AUC leader is heading a national army squad. http://www.semana.com/nacion/articulo/la-foto-que-dejo-al-descubierto-los-desmanes-de-la-operacion-orion/438656-3. There is evidence too from the National Institute for Historical Memory.One of the AUC lider "Don Berna" in one of his free versions, explained how the AUC brought to the army intelligence,logistical and armed support http://www.centrodememoriahistorica.gov.co/noticias/noticias-cmh/trece-anos-de-operacion-orion.
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message: This edit removing the montage image :File:Montage de Medellín, julio de 2017.jpg was done by User:ControlCorV with the edit summary "Bad images". It was later undone by another user User:SeminoleNation.
ControlCorV, if you disagree that the images should be used, please make a constructive suggestion to use others. It is not very productive to just delete content even if you disagree with it. This montage was created to replace the old one which was partly a copyright violation. Still, in that sense, the new one retains a majority of the same landmarks and pictures. So let's discuss here if anyone believes it's time for a change, or for any other reason.
Thanks, seb26 (talk) 15:34, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: @Seb26  Sorry. 2603:8000:1D00:ED00:913:6E03:A960:D84D (talk) 10:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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message: I added the local pronunciation of the name of Medellín. I would like help formatting it in the way that the standard Spanish pronunciation was formatted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by User.name.here (talk • contribs) 01:43, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting help 

message: Pablo Escobar is barely mentioned in this entire article, buried like 30 paragraphs down, and cocaine isn't mentioned at all. I know the city is not that bad now but Wikipedia is about documenting the history - ALL of it. Escobar should be mentioned in the initial four paragraphs off the top. This article as it is now is a joke. 76.11.2.233 (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Escobar 

message: Otra Pedo 2603:8000:1D00:ED00:913:6E03:A960:D84D (talk) 10:35, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afro-american Non-Military-1309.34 

message: Paisa is short for Paisano Astuarianu, and it is by no means, nor by any stretch of the imagination, an official demonym or gentilic for the inhabitants of that city. The term Paisa, as it stands, is nothing but a street language artifact created unofficially by the inhabitants of some part of the Andes region in Colombia to identify themselves during the settlement immigrations from spain, and later on with the internal migrations in the Andes region due to the advent of the coffee growing industry.
The only Demonym applicable is "Medellinense" or "Antioqueño" when referring to the peoples of Antioquia.181.51.32.116 (talk) 05:31, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Paisa" is not an official Demonym 

message: — Assignment last updated by Fernandaswiki (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Writing and Literacy in the Digital Age

message: I am interested in creating an article for Communa 13, noticing how there isn't one already. It has a rich history that is worth having a page for. Alecprofit (talk) 02:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: New Article idea