Talk:Gjeravica

message: I propose to start using the Albanian name, Gjeravica, for this article, as Albanian is the official language of Kosovo, and therefore place names should be in Albanian, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names).  What does everyone else think? 2007apm (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, both Albanian and Serbian are the official languages of Kosovo (see Kosovo). Vanjagenije (talk) 22:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Our naming conventions for geographic names do not indicate the use of "names in the local official language"; instead, they ask us to follow the usage commonly found in English-language publications. – In our case, that would mean either Đeravica or more likely Djeravica. - Ev (talk) 23:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support Djeravica as a compromise solution. In Serbo-Croatian Gj was aslo used as a digraph for Đ so this way we have a correct solution with support in the English language. -- Imbris (talk) 22:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is not about compromising between the Albanian and Serbo-Croatian names or forms, but about complying with our naming conventions by limiting ourselves to follow the name or form commonly used in English-language publications. - Ev (talk) 18:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

text: This name is agreed by consensus of different editors, as most common one per international sources, and other relevant data. If you want to rename it, you need to talk here first, and not just rename it as you did. Therefor, i reverted your edits. You are welcome to ask any question you need, and we will agree here about it. Thanks! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 20:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the data in this article is outdated, i can update the data. I hope you don't have anything against some updates, i still think that the Majority of people should decide and the people who live in that place not people who have never been in Gjeravica, i have more information about Gjeravica because i visited that place, and got to speak to people who come from there, also my Offsprings are from Voksh, a village near Gjeravica, they have been there for many of years. Anyway i hope Justice will be set soon and this article will get updated, and the right names shall be used.
Heroidshehu (Usertalk:Heroidshehu|talk]]) 13:02, 09 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen, it is not about that. It was agreed, by consensus, that Đeravica is most common name.There are a lot of guidelines that you must follow. It is not important how you call it, or your friend, as this is not your wikipedia, this in international wikipedia. Also, Kosovo Independence is disputed, and in wikipedia Kosovo is not represented as independent country. It is disputed territory. So, before any edits, better first talk in talk page, and ask for public opinion. That's the way wikipedia works. If you need more help, you are welcome to talk to me, and i will try to help! :) All best! --WhiteWriter speaks 12:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Also, i removed sources that are not reliable per wikipedia guidelines. Thanks! --WhiteWriter speaks 12:10, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using Gjeravica 

message: Hello,
the page in being reverted without any comments. We are trying to improve this article. please stop reverting for no reason.
thanks,
mike
James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Read Talk:Đeravica#Using_Gjeravica from above! --WhiteWriter speaks 12:33, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop reverting edits 

message: Listen, let me present you with the biggest reason to change the name, the local people are offended with the serbian names. They live there, and they feel that wikipedia is biased to serbia. This is a major reason not to contribute to wikipedia. It has been a big problem all the time. The few vocal serbs who are pushing to keep the old name dont even live there and cannot contribute much. the people who do live there and can write are being excluded. 
I would appreciate some comments on this.
James Michael DuPont (talk) 16:01, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a procedure for renaming articles. See: WP:REQMOVE. You are welcomed to make a move request. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to admit, I haven't heard for any sillier request. Somebody is offended... Yeah, let's remove everything that might offend certain part of Earth population. I would vote to delete parts or whole articles on Christianity, Islam, Scientology, etc cause it offends my blasphemic mind... -- Bojan  Talk  03:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is more than the names of the articles. I will leave the names of the articles alone. I dont want to get blocked or cause problems. I will focus on adding in information about the articles and making sure the albanian names are listed as well. James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As i can see, you have been warned already on your talk page about adding dual language names in articles. Stop that, please. We have other languages in article lead, and those should not be used throughout the article. --WhiteWriter speaks 12:03, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I requested arbitration on that issue. I still think that the links to the towns should have both names, because it is more useful that way. James Michael DuPont (talk) 12:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

text: the names are also listed on the signs when you enter the town, both of them. the names are also available in geonames and from other sources. Of course they are undisputed. They are being removed however from the bodies of the articles. I would like to see the albanian names listed at least on the links so we dont have to know the serbian names. I never have to deal with these serbian letters and names except when coming to wikipedia. it is very annoying. James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wikipedia has quite different rules than the road signs (What a surprise!). Double and/or triple names are not recommended on Wikipedia. See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Multiple local names. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that kosovo deserves an exception because of its status. We need to be able to support albanian names, it is important for the community. Wikipedia wants to attract new editors, and the editors for Djeravica are from the area, speaking albanian. They are able to contribute data to the article cause they live there. lets get them involved. James Michael DuPont (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I Totaly Agree with James Michael DuPont, It is just Unacceptebel that a mountain on the Albanian/Kosovo (May be seen as part of Serbia) But the surrounding area of more than 200km is no Serb to be found. Sorry this title is really invented by a twisted mind. If it was on Serbian/Kosovar border ok sure use Serbian name for now. But in this case it is just totally not accepteble! --Vinie007 18:38, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: People need to calm down here. Nationalist/jingoist rhetoric will not get any move done regardless of what someone thinks on his own and willingness to edit wikipedia. There may be a reason to change it to either the official or most commonly used name, but it wont happen this way.Lihaas (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main reason to change, authors 

message: Illir writes :
As a native Decanasa (The municipality that Gjeravica belongs to) , I herebly declare that this is Gjeravica and not that other one.
This is how everybody calls it there and how it also will be calles in the future.
BR,
Ilir. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.114.84.75 (talk) 08:28, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTAFORUM means constructive and productive comments are welcome "hereby declare" doesnt constitute something that can be used to enhance the article.Lihaas (talk) 05:26, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look, this person is not a WP editor and dont know all the rules of the game. Point is there are many many people who see it the same way.James Michael DuPont (talk) 06:18, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesnt matter is many individuals see it that way, wikipedia doesnt work for just anyones assertions. If so then cite it, or discuss why it should be. The comment above doesnt mentions anything whatsoever about improvng the article.Lihaas (talk) 12:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is Gjeravica, not the other one 

message: Hi , regarding your revert of my edit an this subject. The source is the Yugoslav topographic map. At the time that it was made, about 1973, it was probably restricted, but it is no longer restricted and is therefore verifiable evidence. Someone has uploaded part of the map at the bottom of http://koha.net/?id=27&l=70174, which shows the 2658m summit in the Rudoka range. More recent mapping published by the Macedonian authorities also shows a 2561m summit, and that both summits are on the border with Kosovo. The difference is probably within the margin of error, but I think there is at least enough evidence to question the official claim that Gjeravica is the highest point in Kosovo - and, depending on your point of view, Serbia also. Viewfinder (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: On the map you linked, it is not clear whether that 2658m peak is located in Macedonia or Kosovo. Crno Ozero (Black Lake) that is visible on the map is located in Macedonia, and the border is not marked on the map. How do you know that the peak is in Kosovo? Vanjagenije (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know from the Macedonian map, which shows the border passing through these summits. I have uploaded the relevant part of it to my site here. Viewfinder (talk) 16:39, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

text: There is more discussion about this subject at Talk:List_of_mountains_in_Kosovo#New_highest_peak.3F. I think there is enough evidence to reinstate my edit. Viewfinder (talk) 17:06, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: An accurate GPS survey is reported here which supports the claims made on the topographic maps. Viewfinder (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest Point in Kosovo 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved. I've checked the edit history of the existing Gjeravica redirect per User:力 below, and it was all material that was already in the article in 2010 at the time of the fork, so doesn't need preservation.   — Amakuru (talk) 11:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Đeravica →  – Gjeravica is positioned within Kosovo and right next to the Albanian border. Neither country uses the letter ‘Đ‘ as it is not present in the Albanian alphabet - nor is it an anglicised title. I propose the move to ‘Gjeravica’ as English-language websites and official documents use this name (only a few of many are listed here):
- https://bnadventure.com/gjeravica-hiking/
- https://www.summitpost.org/gjeravica/681380
- https://www.wikiloc.com/hiking-trails/gjeravica-34953410
- http://www.wandermap.net/en/route/1245532-gjeravica-kosovo/
- https://www.trailforks.com/region/gjeravica-31673/
Additionally, the Kosovo government uses this title as well as national or international organisations (one source of each is listed):
- https://www.ammk-rks.net/repository/docs/Raporti_natyra_eng.pdf
- https://openjicareport.jica.go.jp/pdf/12039582.pdf
- https://unhabitat.org/sites/default/files/download-manager-files/1407744386wpdm_Evaluation%20of%20MuSPP%20Phase%203%20Decentralized%20Evaluation%20%20July2014.pdf
To reiterate, this name change would, a) successfully consider the current official name of the mountain used by the government. b) replace an unanglicised title not used by the officials or environmental scientists and the like of Kosovo, as well as national and international organisations. c) acknowledge the fact that modern hiking and tourism websites in the English language use the title, ‘Gjeravica’, and the current page name may confuse tourists and visitors who are researching the area. BleronZ (talk) 13:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

text: * Comment On Google Scholar, Gjeravica(118 results) is returned about as often as Dj/Đeravica(121 results). According to Google Ngram, Gjeravica has recently overtaken Dj/Đeravica(you have to type in D instead of Đ, however).  Dege31 (talk) 17:05, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 5 August 2021