Talk:Count Nikolai of Monpezat

message: For a August 2005 deletion debate see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Prince Nikolai of Denmark — Preceding unsigned comment added by NSR (talk • contribs) 06:27, 24 August 2005‎ (UTC)
:No, this article should not be deleted at all.  Prince Nikolai happens to be the first grandchild of Queen Margrethe II and her husband, Prince Henrik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.208.59.220 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: I think this article should use a more recent photo, such as one of those released by the court for HH's 18th birthday last summer. But I don't know how to do that. Can someone else change the picture? These are the photos one of which I would like to see used: http://kongehuset.dk/foto-video/hh-prins-nikolai-18-aar
Royalcello (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
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message: I found quite a few Danish articles stating that the parents have joint custody, but I think the most important source is the one I added from the Danish Royal court website. It clearly states the fact. I think this now resolves the issue of citations on the page and perhaps the notice at the top can be removed. I will leave that to others to decide. Geekyroyalaficionado (talk) 12:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: Some more recent pictures of Prince Nikolai here: https://www.instagram.com/p/B1seyiWgMu_/. Would these be usable in the article? 2angelgoats (talk) 17:10, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Can someone tell me how to add a photo H.K.H45 (talk) 13:15, 26 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking to add up to date photo of His Highness 

message: Can anyone add to this article a (legal) source underpinning the decision of H.M. the Queen to take away original names and titles of count Nikolai and siblings? Nowhere I could find such a source. I have serious doubt if the Queen had the right to unilaterally take away from her (adult) grandchildren name and identity that they had borne since their birth. There certainly is no ground in the Constitution of Denmark. The right to name and identity is protected by international law. There must be a specific and binding law that has been applied. The Court has claimed that similar changes of name and identity happened in other monarchies, notably the United Kingdom and the Netherlands. In the UK not even princess Diana (after the divorce) and prince Andrew (prince since his birth) were stripped of their princely titles. In the Netherlands not one member of the royal family has ever been stripped of a name and title given by birth. Stating the contrary is untrue.
I would very much appreciate a reference to a legal source which justities the Queen’s action.
Best regards, Guust  Guust van Bisselt (talk) 07:20, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right they are still legal prince and princess to denmark as they are in line to the throne they have been asked not to use them that is want prince Nikolai meant when he said in his statement that he will be proud of the years he was ALLOWED to use the title they still retain them  H.K.H45 (talk) 11:52, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Titles are given by the Danish monarch without government involvement or any legal basis. Thus the monarch can remove or change them. It is very clear in Queen Margrethe's statement that he is no longer a prince of Denmark. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Do you mean the act of 1953? I can find nothing about titles in it. DrKay (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry i was talking about denmarks Grundlov H.K.H45 (talk) 18:35, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is nothing in the Danish Constitution Grundloven about titles. Queen Margrethe clearly proclaimed last year that these grandchildren are to be styled as Excellency not Royal Highness and that their titles from 2023 are not to be princely. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

text: You don't need a title, at least not according to the law, to be in line for the Danish throne. What is important is your connection to Christian X. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 00:05, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

text: What to believe about that is not clear and also obsolete now. The fact is that he is longer a prince, thus no longer royal. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:35, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal base of removal of title and change of identity 

message: This article and the articles for his sister and 2 brothers should not now use only the subject's first name in article text as if thery were royalty. It is customary to write encyclopedically about someone in such a position as this by using the dynasty or geographic name at the end of the full name, i.e. Monpezat in this case. I have tried to update the articles a few times accordingly, since their name forms were changed by the sovereign as of January 1, but have been reverted each time. We are now back with an article where the names are given in text as if these children are still royal, which they are not. I will correct this again very soon, unless someone writes something convincing here as to why that should not be done. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: PS The Danish royal court is now calling him just "Count Nikolai" in text. Far be it from me to object to that, then, but just "Nikolai" alone will not due in Wikipedia's article text now after after January unless to differentiate him from other family members. "Monpezat" or just "he" would be our best choice. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:00, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, we have No sources simply  refering to him as Monpezat so to adress him like that in the article would be highly unencyclopedic. In Denmark, at least for this generation, I don't expect that "Greve af Monpezat" or simply "af Monpezat" in general would be regarded as 'just' a family name but it would rather be seen as a title. Therefore he will most often be refered to either as "Grev Nikolai" (Count Nikolai) or as "Nikolai, greve af Monpezat" (Nikolai, count of Monpezat). He will most certainly never be adressed as "Hr. af Monpezat" (Mister of Monpezat) or "Hr. Monpezat" (Mister Monpezat). If(?) he follows the example of the daughters of Count Christian he will only use the name Grev Nikolai on his Danish yellow card or his credit cards just as the afromentioned daughters used Komtesse Camilla or Komtesse Josephine on their yellow cards and credit cards (before they got maried). I see the way he is adressed in this article as merely Nikolai throughout most of the text not as an attempt to indicate that he is still royal or a prince, but merely as a way of adressing that he had another status prior to 1 January 2023 that was different from his present status. Therefore when the article comes to descripe him and his life after 1 January 2023 it would be most proper to adress him as "Count Nikolai" which I now have done a single time in the article accordingly. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 00:58, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically speaking though, according to the Danish law of names, he has now "af Monpezat" as a name (not merely "Monpezat") and he can pass this name on to any future spouses or children of his and even an unmaried partner, if they have lived together for more than two years or have a common child that also bears this name. The title "Greve" on the other hand can only be passed on to his sons from a legitimate mariage. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 01:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: First name or dynastic name?

message: Shouldn't this be changed now that James is Earl of Wessex and not Prince Edward. 2A00:23C6:4A6:9201:F968:4F26:FB72:7D33 (talk) 03:03, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earl of Wessex