Talk:Inayati Order

message: This article seems to me misleading because it presents "Universal Sufism" as an order or movement established by Inayat Khan.  In fact Inayat Khan never used the term "Universal Sufism" -- that was a term posthumously attributed to him by his later followers.   The name of the movement Hazrat Inayat Khan founded was called the 'Sufi Movement'.  Furthermore, the article goes on to describe a few Sufi orders that descended from Hazrat Inayat Khan: the Sufi Order International, Sufi Movement, Sufi Ruhaniat, etc., and describes their structures and practices as constituting Universal Sufism.  This is misleading because there may be other Sufi Orders with different structure and practices, for example the Naqshbandi Mujaddadiya, Mevlevi Order of America, etc. who welcome participants of any religious background and espouse the unity of religions.  It seems to me if the term "Universal Sufism" is to be used at all, it should encompass all Sufi orders who welcome non-Islamic initiates and hold universalist values.  I would recommend a re-write of the article making it smaller, more accurate, and broader in scope.  Please discuss! Sohrob Nabatian 22:19, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend Re-Write 

message: Most of this material was copy-pasted from the article on Hazrat Inayat Khan.  I copy-edited some of it, but it could use some work from someone knowledgable.
:okay. also some of descendants are deceased and dates need to go in. Shazzamm 15:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copy-paste

message: I took out the link to the Unitarian Universalist Association, despite being a UU; I also made Universalist small U.  There is no real historic or organic connection between Universal Sufism and Universalism of the North American sort (there may be one of sympathy, though, but that's perhaps at best after the fact).  Blondlieut 03:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UUA link 

message: I have removed a photograph eroneously showing an image of ambassador Samuel W. Lewis.  This was not Pir Samuel L. Lewis, who in the U.S. today is an extremely important figure in universal sufism.  I do not know how to obtain and enter a photograph of Samuel L. Lewis that is free and clear of copyright issues - there probably is at least one available from the Sufi Ruhaniat International order that Samuel L. Lewis founded.  I have left a space open and would very much appreciate it if someone could fill it as soon as possible with an appropriate photo.  Other photos that might fill out this section more fully would be those of Pir Villayat Khan (Sufi Order of the West, founder), Pir Zia Khan (current pir, Sufi Order of the West) and Pir Shabda Kahn (sic, current pir, Sufi Ruhaniat International) Ramseyman (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orders and Leadership 

message: 14.600 hits at Google search, 60 hits at Google books: the topic is notable. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:19, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to  on Universal Sufism. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add  after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add  to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120228194514/http://www.sufimovement.co.za/Sirkar to http://www.sufimovement.co.za/Sirkar
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—cyberbot IITalk to my owner:Online 13:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It provides good material for the introduction and history.--Ernobe (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  merged with [[Sufi Order International]] article 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dhikr (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dhikr (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Saum (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:26, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Saum (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Salat (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Salat (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Rasul (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rasul (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Pir (Universal Sufi Prayer). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pir (Universal Sufi Prayer)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nazar (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nazar (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Nabi (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Nabi (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Khatum (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Khatum (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Invocation (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Invocation (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dowa (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dowa (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Blessing (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:29, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Blessing (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wazifa (Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wazifa (Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dowa(Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dowa(Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Blessing(Universal Sufism). Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:34, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Blessing(Universal Sufism)" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wazifa. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wazifa" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ziraat. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:44, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ziraat" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Ryazat. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:46, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ryazat" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Prayer for Peace in the World. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prayer for Peace in the World" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Prayer of Invocation. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:50, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prayer of Invocation" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Prayer for the Universel. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:52, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Prayer for the Universel" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: This organization has recently officially changed its name from the Inayati Order to the Inayatiyya. The April newsletter states "Discussions in recent days between the International Board, the boards of various countries, the Message Council, the Astana, and myself have culminated in the agreement that now is the time to conclusively take up the name the Inayatiyya."  The website still uses the old name, but everything else is using this newer one. Is it time to change the name of the article? 
AnandaBliss (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change to Inayatiyya? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. No answer.   Mdaniels5757 (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Inayati Order →  – This organization has recently officially changed its name from the Inayati Order to the Inayatiyya. The April newsletter states "Discussions in recent days between the International Board, the boards of various countries, the Message Council, the Astana, and myself have culminated in the agreement that now is the time to conclusively take up the name the Inayatiyya."  AnandaBliss (talk) 20:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 23 May 2020