Talk:.30-30 Winchester

message: I've put in a request to move this page, since the cartridge is much more often referred to as the .30-30, rather than .30 WCF, and I can't do it myself because there are already redirects with history at .30-30 and .30-30 Winchester. Night Gyr 22:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In common usage, Winchester .30-30 refers to a gun made by Winchester and chambered in .30-30, just like you'd say Ruger 9mm or Marlin .30-30.  Wincester's name for the cartidge is .30 WCF, and Marlin came up with the name .30-30 to avoid having to write Winchester on their rifles.  The .30-30 Winchester name is a hybrid of the two and (pure speculation here) might have come about due to the common naming convention used for cartridges such as the  .56-56 Spencer, the  .45-70 Government, the .30-40 Krag.  scot 16:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: The article correctly states that the -30 refers to 30 grains of smokeless powder.  Just to add detail, I believe the original round used 30 grains of cordite.  Can anyone confirm/deny this? I'm not going to add it without a source. On Thermonuclear War (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if so, that does not make the statement incorrect, as cordite is a type of smokeless powder, particularly a double base extruded powder.  It's questionable whether cordite would have been used, as it was primarily used by the British.  I'll keep looking, though.  So far, I've found references in Google Books dating back to 1900 referring to "30-30 smokeless-powder carbines", and no references to the .30-30 containing cordite.  scot (talk) 04:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked Barnes' Cartridges of the World, 10th ed., and he states "smokeless powder" sever times in the article, no mention of cordite.  Ditto for the .30-30's military predecessor, the 1892 .30-40 Krag.  There was a lot of variation in the early smokeless propellants; the French used Poudre B in the 8 mm Lebel in 1886, and the British switched the .303 British (developed 1887) from a solid compressed black powder charge to a cordite charge in 1892.  For a change, the Americans seemed to be ahead of the curve, as the early smokeless powders used in American cartridges weren't too far removed from modern powders.  scot (talk) 16:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  smokeless powder 

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* http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/PerCaliber2Guide/Rifle/Standarddata(Rifle)/308Cal(7.82mm)/30%2030%20Winchester%20pages%20253%20to%20254.pdf
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* http://www.gunsandhunting.com/3030.html
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message: I thought that the .308 Winchester was the commercial derivative of the military item 7.62 x 51mm, and in the 1980's Winchester created a rimmed version of the .308 called the .307 Winchester for its USRAC model 94 lever action rifles.  I second the motion to dump (kibosh) the metric system international, as the said link is dead and most google hits revert back to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk) 00:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on Mmetric 7.62×51mmR 

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