Talk:September Days

message: As there're also other non-partisan sources used Massacre for September Days tragedy, maybe to move this article to Baku Massacre, 1918 and put a redirect from the "September days"? Andranikpasha 21:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No source uses the term Baku massacre. We should use generally accepted name, but this event has none. Plus Baku massacre can be used as a title for the March massacre of Muslim population. We have previously discussed whether to create March massacre and September massacre articles, but finally settled on the existing titles. --Grandmaster 07:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes they do they are referenced in the article. --Hu1lee 17:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The term exists. There are plenty of sources refering to March events as a massacre. We can rename both to March massacre and September massacre. We discussed that with involvement of the admin Khoikhoi not so long ago. Grandmaster 10:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course. See the relevant article. Grandmaster 12:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: see the article about March days. Grandmaster 13:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: You are asking me about March days article, therefore I'm refering you there. Grandmaster 07:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article references mainly Armenian authors in a topic about conflict involving Armenians. This clearly violates WP:NPOV policy and is not acceptable per ArbCom principle. For instance, rather deliberately inflated figure of 30,000 is said to belong to Roland Grigor Suny, while another 3rd party source available at March Days, cited Armenian National Council statement with only 8,988 deaths. POV tag hence needs to be inserted here until sufficient 3rd party sources are presented. Atabek 22:30, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Andranikpasha, the reference to the Armenian National Committee is the most authentic, as ANC committee was based in Baku, and had a first-hand evidence of the number of victims. But if you want to dispute that, let me also add that Dadrian, Suny and Kayaloff are also non-neutral sources on the subject. So, please, provide explanation as to how they're neutral and discuss them. For now this definitely calls for POV tag here. Thanks. Atabek 13:11, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, Andranikpasha, if you're disputing Armenian National Council numbers coming from Kazemzadeh reference, then you obviously are disputing Kazemzadeh reference, which is what I put in my comment. I dispute Dadrian, Suny and Kayaloff, those are non-neutral references in this case. Also, Baku Massacre is not an appropriate title for this article as March Massacres qualify for such as well. To remain neutral this version of the title must be removed. Atabek 16:26, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Baku massacre is also a reference to the massacre of Azerbaijanis in March. You cannot claim that only these events were refered by that name. We should use more accurate terms for both events, like March massacre in Baku and September massacre in Baku, because in 1918 there was more than 1 such tragic event in Baku. Grandmaster 19:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: March events are not mostly described as Muslim revolt, it is not known who initiated the fighting. As for September days, they also followed the battle of Baku. However the March events are referred to as massacre, so you cannot say that there was only one massacre at that period, and only in September. Grandmaster 06:02, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baku Massacre, 1918 

message: Two sections are based only on the primary sources:"Local testimony" and "Austrian testimony". They must be improved so I put the tags. --Quantum666 (talk) 08:38, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources