Talk:Mordecai Richler

message: I was under the impression that Richler's knowledge of the French language was extremely limited. A friend who attended a roast for Richler says a great deal was made of this that at the event. Would anyone have a reference? Victoriagirl 18:08, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unilingual?

message: Apologies for the confusion surrounding my recent change.  Though I had checked the link, I read nothing more that the title. In my defense, it appears that both articles are not titled correctly. In short, the novel The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz is the both original work and the source work for the film. As such the corresponding article should be titled "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz", not "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (book)". The article on the film should be retitled "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (film)". I will make this change.
I must disagree that the inclusion of "(film)" for the movies "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz" and "Joshua Then and Now". After all, their titles aren't "The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz (film)" and "Joshua Then and Now (film)", as is now indicated. I know of no other biographical article that records the titles in this manner. As the titles appear under the heading "Film scripts", I think it clear that it is the films to which are being referred.Victoriagirl 21:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Apprenticeship of Duddy Kravitz: Book and Film

message: I have a copy of the 1956 BBHS Year Book; it was still predominently Jewish then. It now houses the Sun Youth charity.
From Professionally Speaking, "School Days, Not So Golden Rule Days," by Mordecai Richler:
<copyrighted text snipped by administrator>
[Note the English-language place names.--Lance talk 23:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk about threats of "blanking." There is not a copyright violation here.--Lance talk 00:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read the referenced official policy: "If some of the content of a page really is an infringement, then the infringing content should be removed".  Also read the official Policy section of Wikipedia:Fair use.  Text must meet all of the criteria, but the text you included fails criteria 1, 2 and 3.  You have some commonly held misconceptions about fair use relating to non-commercial applications. Hu 00:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hu, you are deleting my contributions; that is vandalism; and I'm seeing red.--Lance talk 00:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have proceeded calmly according to Wikipedia policy.  You need to reduce your anger level and begin to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia practice and policy. Hu 00:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much disagree with the interpretation of Hu's actions as vandalism - on the contrary, I believe they are justified and have been made in good faith. Before this edit war escalates, may I suggest that a request for comment (WP:RfC) be sought in this matter. Victoriagirl 00:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *My commentary on the text cannot be construed as subject to any copyright; deleting it is, indeed, vandalism.--Lance talk 00:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lance is, of course, correct that his commentary need not be removed as it is given freely. That said, the use of the Richler text is a violation of Wikipedia policy and should be removed. Again, if there is any confusion concerning this matter, I suggest WP:RfC be employed. Victoriagirl 00:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: *Then employ WP:RfC. I will delete parts of the text not material to my commentary that is made to bring out issues that belong in a biographical article.--Lance talk 00:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Salting a copyright violation with commentaries is not a backdoor way to violate the copyright. It was 16 hours after you first copied the text in here that you were called on the copyright violation.  Only after that did you begin to tack little commentaries into it as a way of attempting to evade a claim of copyright violation.  The correct way to make a point by way of an article like this is to explain your point, reference the URL of the online article, and then possibly quote a few sentences from it.  Quoting the whole article is definitely a violation of copyright, whether or not you have sprinkled your comments inside it. Hu 00:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hu your conduct on this page is reprehensible; and has been hostile since the start; you're being a bully by deleting my comments on this page, vandalising my personal talk page; and, now, making presumptious allegations of my motives (the "salting" comment). Also, respect the chronology of comments on this page: You are bullying your comments ahead of my own. As I said I will remove inessential Richler text.--Lance talk 01:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  User Talk pages are a way to communicate.  When I make calm and reasoned responses on your User Talk page , it is not hostile or vandalism, even if you choose to call it "vandalism" in your edit summaries when you delete my responses , .  You need to distinguish between your User page and your User Talk page. Hu 01:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe that the above is an infringement of copyright. As such I believe it should be removed as it runs against official Wikipedia policy (WP:C). I encourage discussion on this matter. Victoriagirl 22:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you advancing a legal theory? No commercial use is being made of the aforesaid text.--Lance talk 22:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not advancing a legal theory, rather I am pointing out that the posting appears to run against Wikipedia policy. Victoriagirl 23:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe it does.--Lance talk 23:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Posting verbatim the text of a magazine or newspaper article or book chapter on an article's talk page is a violation of WP's copyright policy. You may not fully understand the implications of copyright as they pertain to Wikipedia, but this site does not constitute a noncommercial use of the text — because GFDL licensing does not preclude somebody else making commercial use of our content, we are not a noncommercial use even though we don't directly charge a fee for accessing WP itself. And even if WP did count as a noncommercial use, the text itself would have to be licensed under a "noncommercial use permitted" license — copyright law does not extend a blanket permission to copy and paste other people's work just because you're not directly attempting to profit from it. Acting as an administrator, I have removed the disputed text; if you wish to discuss the content of the article, I'd recommend that you do one of three things: (a) link to an external site that has legitimate copyright permission to reprint the text, (b) selectively quote one or two specific sentences that you want to highlight, or (c) provide the page citations and summarize what Richler said. A few carefully selected short quotes can be justified as "fair use"; quoting the entire article, or significant chunks of it, verbatim cannot. Bearcat 02:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text:  Well, with the copyrighted text excluded, the annotations would have been contextless and therefore confusing. If you restructure your contributions in one of the ways I suggest above, instead of wholesale copying and pasting, then you're more than welcome to add your comments back to the page...but there was no real point in my leaving them there while removing the text they were responding to, since they wouldn't make sense with their context removed. Bearcat 03:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baron Byng High School 

message: I think the confusion regarding the status of Sir George Williams can be explained by the following from the Corncordia University website:  
"Sir George Williams College received its formal charter as a college or university in March 1948, although it continued to operate as the formal educational arm of the Montreal YMCA until 1967. The institution changed its name from “College” to “University” in 1959."
I'm pleased to recognize Wikipedia as a reliable and correct source in this matter.
As Richler attended the institution a few years before it changed its name, I suggest Sir George Williams College be used for the purposes of this article. Victoriagirl 22:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *That's what I wrote in the edit summary.--Lance talk 22:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm afraid I'm misreading your edit summary. Victoriagirl 22:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Huhh?--Lance talk 22:28, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sir George Williams: College or University?

message: I have seen the grave in the Mount Royal Cemetery, that is not a Jewish cemetery. (Not being buried in a Jewish cemetery has Jewish theological implications.)
In Barney's Version, Richler wrote that Barney would be buried in a protestant cemetery with a monument bearing a Magen David; next to his gentile spouses' grave, bearing a christian symbol. This is exactly the case at Richler's grave site.--Lance talk 23:29, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see where this issue is addressed in the article - perhaps it featured in an earlier version and has since been removed. That said, I do think it necessary to record the clarify that the writer's widow, Florence Richler, is very much alive. Victoriagirl 03:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say she was dead. The monument for her is erected next to Richler's grave, (the same stone, I recall); and is as previously described. Since the assertion is from my own reading of Barney's Version and personally visiting the grave site, it is WP:original research; and, therefore, I cannot put this information into the article. I was merely stating that Barney's Version is, in at least some respects, biographical.--Lance talk 21:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor did I say you had. I merely thought to clarify the matter. Victoriagirl 21:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mount Royal Cemetery 

message: Some good models for this article are Saul Bellow, (the only Montrealer to win a Nobel Prize in Literature), and the extraordinary novelist Philip Roth.--Lance talk 20:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Jewish Literature 

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message: Reference to St. Urbain Street has been removed by an anon IP.   I think the street plays a pivotal role in his fiction and needs proper mention and discussion in the article. Hu 05:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, indeed it does.--Lance talk 15:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Urbain Street removed? 

message: Hi. Just did a bit of sub-sectioning to the intro, which I welcome comments on. But what I wanted to ask was what's going on with all the citations? There something like 20+ citations but they don't take you anywhere, usually they go to reference notes  at bottom. Has someone block deleted all the references notes, or...? Shawn in Montreal 16:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear. It's in the Controversy section at bottom, where all the references seem to be missing. Thanks, Shawn in Montreal 16:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to all the references?

message: Here's a trial reworked controversy section. Please address any issues, and add text as needed, so that we can come to a consensus:
Richler often aroused controversy through his writings. His most frequent conflicts were with the Jewish community, English Canadian nationalists, and Quebec nationalists. (Did you make this up? Only referenced assertions are acceptable. Richler, at most, was dismissed in the Jewish community for hyperbole and playing into gentile stereotypes of Jews; that existed, due to various christological antipathies, in the imagination of gentiles, his target audience.--Lance talk 16:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trial text for new controversy section 

message: "Throughout his career, Richler wrote acerbic journalistic commentary and delighted in the role of contrarian provocateur. He was an iconoclast with little tolerance for pretense or pomposity."
Looks like someone whipped out their thesaurus.  Talk about pretense.
:::The reference to the 1993 Canadian Jewish News article is quite obviously placed to support the statements included in the final sentence. It should be removed if it fails to do so. I regret that I am unfamiliar with this article and have no acccess to it at this moment. Victoriagirl 20:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Greatest Sentence Ever

message: This article could use a picture of Richler. --Ultra Megatron 23:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added <nowiki></nowiki>

message: Should Mordecai Richler be added to the list of Canadian atheists?  I found him in "Who's Who in Hell" by Warren Allen Smith and he talks abut his atheism in "Brave Souls: Writers and Artists Wrestle with God, Love, Death and the Things that Matter." He is also on the website Celebrity Atheist List: http://celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Mordecai_Richler
I'm going to check the Brave Souls book myself and if there are no objections i'll add him to the list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.221.201 (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Canadian atheists

message: And another in The Canadian Encyclopedia at http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/articles/mordecai-richler. Any reason why one of them can't be taken from there and put in this article? Masalai (talk) 13:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Several splendid photos of Mordecai Richler on the Northernstars.ca website

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message: re "Arriving as immigrants in Canada when English was the country's predominant official language, the Jewish communities in Montreal (a city in the largely and officially francophone province of Quebec) usually acquired English, not French, as a second language after Yiddish." First, is that true of Sephardic Jews?  The ones I knew in Montreal from North Africa speak French rather than English. Second, this implies that the only language Jewish immigrants spoke when they arrived in Montreal was Yiddish.  Is that true?  What about Polish, Russian, German, Lithuanian? There are some communities such as the Hasidic for whom this is perhaps true, but what about others?  Perhaps this sentence should be reduced to "European Jews generally chose English rather than French as their Canadian language when they arrived." --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 20:46, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  languages spoken by Jewish arrivals in Montreal 

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The fact that such a small edit has been reverted twice now, to absolutely zero effect and with no reasonable explanation, smacks of a "power play". Mordecai Richler refused induction into the Order twice, so the idea that he used the "CC" as a matter of course is a joke. Enough with the pointless dick-swinging, fer chrissakes. Mordecai would not approve! 2607:FEA8:BFA0:47F:ACF8:5C93:58BA:A1F6 (talk) 11:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-nominal letters 

message: Does anyone have a copyright-respecting photograph of him? I'm not sure the main picture in his infobox should be a sketch if we can avoid it. Will Stanwyx (talk) 22:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article picture