Talk:Avril Lavigne/Archive 3

message: It states that her parents are out of Quebecois origin in the first paragraph. It then specifies that her mother was Franco-Ontarian and her father was "French-born". Both live in Ontario, where Avril was born and raised. To some, the definition of the terms might be synonamous. But they actually are not. If her parents (or their ancestors) come from the province of Quebec, then they are Quebecois. Her mom is Franco-Ontarian, which means that they probably didn't come from Quebec. They came from the Francophone minority in Ontario. These are two very different cultures and both have existed for generations. The same applies to her father: he's from France. Therefore he's French. He's not Quebecois either. To call then Quebecois is a contradiction of other facts you've stated because there is no factor that implies they had anything to do with Quebec.
To those who might not understand, it's like saying " Her father is from Cuba who lived in florida for a while. Her mother is from Louisiana. And they both live in Louisiana now. Her parents are Floridans."  
It would be better to say that her parents are French-Canadians. Joel July 6, 2007
Further to my comments above, the links to the wikipedia definitions of the terms 'Quebecois' and 'franco-ontarian' explain exactly how your page is contradictory. Joel July 8, 2007
"Her parents are both Francophones, but she herself does not speak French." Implying her parents are "Quebecois" is biographically incorrect. It's not factual. Joel July 9, 2007
:From reading the article, it would seem that neither statement about the origin of her parents is reliably sourced. I don't personally know which one is correct. I've added  tags to both statements for now. This issue needs to be clarified. --Kurt Shaped Box 18:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents' origins 

message: the paragraph that says pronunciation of her name is generally anglicized to la-veen... come off it, that's so stupid. That IS the French pronunciation, the differences in sound from actual French would be attributed to the English accents of the English speakers who say it because she sings in English to English audiences. Or do French speakers also anglicize it this way? NOT. Otherwise the "generally anglicized" phrase should be added to every other French origin word in the the english wikipedia.
Are you saying that 'laveen' is the French pronunciation (which is not the case)? Or that 'laveen' is the anglicized version that anglophones use because her audience is anglophone? It's not really clear which side you're on. Joel 22-10-07  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.194.74.10 (talk) 16:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  And speaking of French... 

message: Avril Lavigne was born in Belleville, Ontario[13][14] to a devout Christian family
The couple married in a Catholic ceremony attended by about 110 guests on July 15, 2006 at a private estate in the California coastal city of Montecito  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.231.173.23 (talk) 05:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm confused 

message: Avril Lavigne shouldn't be referred to as having a "thick southern accent" because she is in fact from Napanee, Ontario. She does have a rather different accent, but it is Canadian, and is not a U.S. Southern accent like the article states...please change!  Steveo3560 01:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone has been messing around. I'll remove it. --Kurt Shaped Box 20:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thick Southern Accent? 

message: Could someone please add "Category:Canadian-born_entertainers_in_the_United_States"? Thank you. 84.173.232.112 13:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure thing. Done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 17:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorization 

message: Im not sure if she really could be considered pop punk. she is a singer song writter, and a movie actress!!! i love avril lavigne she is my fav..her best sng she recorded i think is girlfriend..i love the song..well i love her 2!!
Her music has always been pop, in the early days with a thin veneer of what she liked to call punk. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.23.19 (talk) 05:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop punk 

message: Could you add http://www.mysitetoavril.piczo.com ? It's a fan page with lots of pics of Avril Lavigne since her begining in music. It also has great info and links. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.32.117.89 (talk) 10:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: There is no way the AVRiL is named after Avril Lavigne ("Trivia" Section).  Absolutely no way.  Please delete it. 70.69.206.62 05:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril + AVRiL? 

message: What of posting fansites on the page? I've tried myself with a few popular ones but I found them removed the next day. Why is it so bad? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Forgotten00 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because wikipedia is not a links repository. --Zoe.R 22:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fansites 

message: Avril isn`t 100% POP.... 
Why sometimes the genre of avril in this info are POP??? POP is Britney Spears, Madonna, Xtina, etc etc...
Pop-Rock are some songs of Hilary Duff, Ashley Tisdale, etc .... (and a little number of avril's song)
Alternative Pop-Rock is the music of Alanis, Pink, No Doubnt, GoGo Dolls and Avril Lavigne!
Some songs of Avril are Punk-Pop....
Ooooph..... if you think that Hilary Duff and Ashley Tisdale are pop-rock, you need to broaden your musical appetite.  Britney is pop.  Hilary is pop.  Alanis is pop.  Pink is pop.  Avril is pop.  Gwen is pop.  The only thing punk about about Avril is her boutique ripped jeans.
= GooGoo dolls and No Doubt are definitely not in the same category as Avril Lavigne. Avril is 90% pop. She's pop-punk (much like Good Charlotte or Ashley Simpson).    
The webpage ALLMUSIC  is very nice the clasifications of the genres-style of Avril Lavigne and the albums
*Let Go: Alternative Pop-Rock, Teen Pop
*Under My Skin: Alternative Pop-Rock and Teen Pop (WHERE TEEN POP IN UMS?)
*The Best Damn Thing: Pop-Rock, Punk-Pop, Teen Pop
On the section about how ex boyfriend sells Avril's love letters on Ebay, there is a link (#31) that supposedly verifies this. But if you read what is on the linked page, it doesn't say anything about love letters nor Ebay. Just that she and her bandmate broke up. I don't doubt it happened, but it needs to be verified/verifiable.
:She is more punk-rock. Girlfriend, Complicated, Nobody's Home, My Happy Ending, etc. --Elena Jovovic 01:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre of the Avril Lavigne's music!??? 

message: Can be updated to http://arts.independent.co.uk/music/features/article2467426.ece
65.94.191.152 01:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thank you. Alex43223 T | C | E  15:12, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  first footnote/endnote/whatever is a dead link 

message: she is not post grunge! post grunge is stuff which sounds like nirvana or pearl jam but after the mainstream period. avril sounds nothing like them!
also may i point out that she is not pop-punk cos thats pop tunes with punky lyrics (good charlotte etc) but singing about skater boys and girlfriends is just POP!
^^HEY YOU CAN HEAR THE DVD "MY WORLD"????
Some songs have a changes post-grunge example Sk8er Boi, Losing Grip.... and some songs of her are punk-pop ..... the music punk pop is not necesary "thats pop tunes with punky lyrics" .... if the instrumental music have chords/tabs of punk.... are punk-pop.... and she sing cover of punk-pop bands ;)
VISIT www.allmusic.com ..... In this web the genre of avril are : Post-Grunge, Alternative pop rock, rock, pop-rock and teen pop (LET GO); Alternative pop-rock, rock, teen pop (UNDER MY SKIN) and Punk-pop, pop-rock, rock and teen pop (THE BEST DAMN THING)
This artical should really be catigorized under "desputed genres". Some say she's Pop, some say Punk, some say Grunge. Its impossible to tell because here image has basically done a backflip ever since she started singing country music in the begining. -FallingSkies 19:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Her look may be post-grunge but her sound is bubblegum pop 71.236.147.130 02:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  post grunge 

message: Every time I visit this article there are different genres listed (both in the infobox and elsewhere); they're being persistently changed by various editors, none of whom cite their sources, and many of whom (as indicated above) edit them according to what genre(s) they themselves think) Lavigne's music is best described as. This constitutes original research and, as such, should not be occurring. If people don't provide reliable sources when they add, remove or change a genre (or undo the edits of one or more other users), I'm afraid the article will have to be protected until this dispute is resolved. I think most readers and editors here would prefer if it didn't come to that. Extraordinary Machine 01:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre edit dispute 

message: Personally, I don't think she is. There's very few, if any, critics and professionals that say she is; also, she's not mentioned on the article listing post-grunge artists. Either this article or the post-grunge list needs to be revised, since there's a inconsistency. None (or very few) of her songs have soft verses, then explode into a powerful chorus, with simple guitar chords. I've heard all her albums, and the only song that might be classified as Post-grunge is "Too Much to Ask" from Let Go. One post-grunge song doesn't make a post-grunge artist. Many rock bands have country-like songs, but they aren't labeled as country on their pages; why should this be any different? 67.177.184.125 01:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I very much agree. I also wish somebody would take off "drums" on her "instruments" list, because she IS not a drummer. User "Kurt Shaped Box" said that "she messes around on the drums sometimes" or words to that effect, I presented facts that Kurt Cobain "messed around on drums" (most notably in "Seasons In The Sun" on "With The Lights Out") yet he is not listed as a drummer. Please remove. Speedboy Salesman 09:38, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did I word it like that? I don't honestly recall (I only dimly remember the discussion). Anyhow, if Kurt Cobain played drums live or in the studio with Nirvana on certain songs, I'd personally list 'drums' on his instruments list. I saw Lavigne play live a few years ago and she was definitely 'playing the drums' on one song (I think there have been others, though I haven't really been following her career recently). There is also a featurette on the DVD that comes with the special edition of Under My Skin where she is seen practising her drumming and discussing how she had decided to learn the instrument. --Kurt Shaped Box 15:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I have the Nirvana box set. I don't remember him playing the drums on that track - but on the other hand, it's been that long since I watched the DVD that I can't remember that much about it at all... ;) So, if we have proof that Cobain played drums for Nirvana (as Lavigne has done with her band), why not add 'drums' to his instruments list and leave it at that? --Kurt Shaped Box 17:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would suggest you look. Last track after "Talk to Me". I don't think neither Cobain nor Lavigne should be listed as a drummer, because neiher is really noted as being one. If we started adding stuff like that to every page, Dave Grohl's infobox would be a good foot long. Try to add "drums" to Cobain's infobox if you really want, but it'll get taken off. I really don't think neither Cobain nor Lavigne should be listed as a drummer. Speedboy Salesman 22:30, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the end of the day, Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopaedia. There's no reason why Dave Grohl's infobox *shouldn't* be a foot long, if all the information contained within is verifiable. --Kurt Shaped Box 07:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you give me a proper song that Lavigne has played drums on in the studio? I mean the fact that she has messed around on the drums with her band has no merit, because a lot of people do that, and they don't class themselves as drummers. The bass player from my band messes around on the drum kit at rehearsals, but that doesn't make her a drummer. Speedboy Salesman 23:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Avril has many post grunge songs: Losing Grip, Take Me Away, Forgotten, My Happy Ending, etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.230.2.29 (talk) 01:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Avril really post-grunge? 

message: Aparently, this article used to have a trivia section, and it was removed at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Avril_Lavigne&diff=132292871&oldid=132146285 by banned user SweetCarmen. Per WP:TRIVIA one should not wholesale remove trivia sections, but rather integrate them into the article if possible.
Here for those wondering, here is the removed content:
:*Lavigne has teamed up with Del-Rey Manga for a two volume series entitled Make 5 Wishes. Volume 1 was made available for purchase on April 10, 2007, and Volume 2 will be available in July.Manga Lavigne
:* Lavigne plays a signature model Fender Telecaster electric guitar.Avril Signature :Fender Guitar
:*Lavigne's brother Matt appears in the video for "Girlfriend" as part of her band playing the bass.
:*Lavigne's sister Michelle appears in the video for "Sk8er Boi".
:*She has a pizza named after her at LaPizzeria in her hometown of Napanee, Ontario.
:*She has a miniature schnauzer dog named Sam. He appeared in her DVD My World.
:*Her first album, Let Go, is contradictory to her song Keep Holding On.
I'm sure at least a few of these are notable outside of a trivia section. --Aknorals 09:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: Since Avril released "The Best Damn thing" there have been three incidents of ppl alleging creative misconduct. One being the complaint of copyright infrignment by The Rubinoos already mentioned on the page. The second however relates to Songwriter Lauren Christie of the production team the Matrix, who said to Rolling Stone Magazine, Lavigne only changed a couple words to the music he created. Lavigne insists of course it was a joint effort. The third incident happened with songstress Chantal Kreviazuk suggesting to Performing Songwriter magazine that Lavigne stole one of her songs for the disc The Best Damn Thing. This was all reported by the CBC and can be found on <http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007/07/04/lavigne-lawsuit-girfriend.html>  Nwilloug 22:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition to "the best damn thing" cd description. 

message: Hey why in the genre of avril it does not appear the genre pop-punk?
are various link that they say that Avril sings punk-pop. Example
*THE OWN MYSPACE OF AVRIL LAVIGNE!   CLICK TO SEE
*The own official web of avril in "about"
*ALLMUSIC
*The Ithacan
*MTV SHOP 
And a lot of web have some info of that... and other genre just like power pop, and post-grunge (More than everything it has that caracteristic sound, in the live concerts, of some songs just like sk8erboi, losing grip, and others) and in under my skin she have a alternative rock influences in the songs... but is Alternative Pop-Rock =)
Thanks, 
I hope that they add these discussed genres mainly... first that it was discussed (201.249.29.33 13:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punk-pop genre! 

message: Somewhere in the article, there are a few paragraphs that would probably belong in a new category for criticism.
Does anyone think this would be appropriate? Rafa 07:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit unorganized? 

message: Chantal Kreviazuk retracted her statement on July 10. I don't have a source and the page seems to be protected so I thought I'd just mention it here.
:Done. --Kurt Shaped Box 16:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chantal's retraction 

message: It looks like Lavigne is giving an interview rather performing live as the caption says Speedboy Salesman 08:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox caption 

message: This is a single of avril???
why don't see in the single/music video area?  (200.93.87.224 22:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I'm concerned that's not a single by Avril Lavigne. If she ever released a cover version of that song, it should be included in the article. But nobody ever said that she released a cover of that, anyway. Where did you get that information from?--84.129.79.43 22:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knockin' On Heaven's Door ? 

message: Avril's music is not pop!!christina and britney's music is pop....
Avril's genre is rock with stils:pop rock (ballads) and pop punk 
bauch18
Beg to differ. Her music may have a few rock influences, but is mostly pop. --Iluvmesodou 08:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop? 

message: :Lavigne's family were devout Christians.
They are devout Catholics, how change that? there was citations about that and now it's change--Domingo Portales 21:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didnt said anything about what she belive, she was raised catholic and her parent are roman catholic, that's all, only facts.--Domingo Portales 21:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholics 

message: check the link for the official website in the infobox, it is correctly written but it does NOT work in the article.
Fix link.
Ivanescence 23:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 23:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Website Problem 

message: So Im scrolling around the Avril Lavigne article, looking for vandalism and copyright pictures and then, Hey weres the controversy section? Avril lavigne is being swarmed with controversy over her songwriting abilities and stuff like that.So Im wondering, where the heck is the controversy section? TaylorLTD 01:48, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversy is at The Best Damn Thing. --JYi 01:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  controversy 

message: this article states Ken Krongard. However, <http://www.songwriteruniverse.com/matrix.htm> states it was Josh Sarubin. Bunnygod888 05:51, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who signed her to Arista? 

message: The page says that this is her favourite song of all time. Can this be referenced?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 3.14 etc (talk • contribs). 
:I think it's a rather pointless fact... --Elena Jovovic 01:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iris 

message: The info box says that she was born in "Bellville", which is an incorrect spelling and thus a different city, which makes the link be incorrect too. Someone please fix that!--84.129.79.43 21:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and dusted. :) --Kurt Shaped Box 22:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info box birthplace 

message: There's an article, already linked, that says her current name is Avril Lavigne Whibley.  So I removed Ramona from the first paragrah, so it now correctly states her current name.  The Ramona info is still in the info box where her birth name is listed.  Her professional name is still listed at the top of the infobox, and I added a phrase about it as the Wikipedia style manual suggests.  Ariadne55 01:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Name 

message: As of August 26, 2007, Avril's official video of "Girlfriend" has more than 50,000,000 views on Youtube, making it the 2nd most viewed youtube clip of all time.  Shouldn't this be mentioned at least in the "trivia" section? 202.156.11.4 03:17, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is already mentioned in the article. --Isis4563 14:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are rumours that it is a fake number. Anyone confirming? Aran|heru|nar 09:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Girlfriend" music video has the second highest number viewers of all time in Youtube 

message: I have a few songs not mentioned here.
I Don't Give A Damn - 3:32 (Slightly shorter length than "I Don't Give - 3:38" - is this the same song?)
Knockin' On Heaven's Door - 2:51 (Everyone and their mother has performed this)
Two Rivers - 3:06
Please respond.
--Wexer9 23:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Songs? 

message: Unfortunately, this page seems to be locked. Let Go did not sell 18 million, because the link given said it sold 16. So unless there's a link for Let Go that says it sold 18 million, can someone please find a way to change it? Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.243.8.179 (talk) 20:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SALES 

message: Should a section be opened for this or do you guys think it should be included in the "damned" section?
for those that don't know what I'm referring to, I'm talking about the controversial remarks she made in her interview with Q magazine where she made verbal attacks toward Kelly Clarkson. 
http://thesuperficial.com/2007/09/avril_lavigne_is_an_amazing_hu.php
Ironstove 10:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q Magazine Interview 

message: Is she an alto?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.14.69.61 (talk) 12:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal Range/Type 

message: I know Lavigne had played guitar very little but I've never heard of her playing drums.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.238.167.207 (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments 

message: none of her albums are punk.. not under my skin or w.e
 Her only song that can be considered close to punk is sk8ter boi. which is maybe jst another pop rock song.
She is apop rock artist turned into a pop artist  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.62.44 (talk) 13:11, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  genre 

message: A previous editor had introduced Worldwidealbums.tk as a ref to this site. Wikipedia would not let me save my particular edits—it stated that Worldwidealbums.tk was blacklisted and that I should somehow get it to be whitelisted. I chose to put the whole ref into 
Does she play piano? I think so...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.64.161.204 (talk) 16:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She does. It used to be listed in the infobox. I wasn't even aware that someone had knocked it off. Re-adding... --Kurt Shaped Box 18:44, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blacklisted web sites 

message: Sorry but Avril hasn't had any #1's in the UK, not even Complicated. UK should be removed from the #1 peaks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.116.204.122 (talk) 08:48, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  #1 peaks 

message: A little while ago, Avril started a website called Perez Lavigne, where celebs (and normal people) join and vote to, basically, get Perez Hilton off the Internet. Celebrities who have already joined include Britney Spears, Ashley Tisdale, Linsday Lohan, and Christina Agulera (SP?). I think something about it should be added to the 'Personal Life' section, because it's mostly about him writing crap about the celebrities' personal lives, and how much she (and other famous people) hate it.
75.90.62.155 (talk) 14:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears to be a fake . --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I check around and it turns out that an imposter has used her name and some edited footage. But should this incident be mentioned? \\Zhi\\ 17:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PerezLavigne.Com 

message: Image:Avrilgfdl.JPG|Avrilgfdl.jpg
Image:Avril guitar.jpg|Avril guitar.jpg
For a while now the image has been avrilgfdl.JPG, but some anon editor keeps on adding in avril guitar.jpg. I'm all for finding better free images, but the second is a blurry concert photo where her face is partially obscured by a microphone. Neither are perfect, but at least the first one is relatively close up, clear and has a decent angle on her. The second one is more recent, but only by a year apart, so it doesn't make much of a difference and its of a much poorer quality.--CyberGhostface 19:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree. What about adding the guitar picture somewhere else in the article? Darth NormaN 14:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I found this pic... is better than the other two pics.... The firts is a old pic of avril ... and that no is her style now... and the other are... low quality... 
this is better --Sabrina4226 20:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The current pic is close up, of high quality and she looks nice on it - i don't see any reason to change it. --Darth NormaN 22:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason that :Image:av.jpg can't be included elsewhere in the article at some point though... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I ditched all of the genres from the infobox other than "Pop-rock". It's succinct enough that it captures all of the music she makes. Throughout the page is information articulating the type of pop-rock she makes, but the infobox ideally doesn't specify to the tee the exact type of music, just giving a generalised idea of it and hopefully if there's a musical style section, it can be broken down and analysed and described in detail there. --lincalinca 12:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: /me totally agrees Darth NormaN 13:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Avril has Associated acts whit Avenged Sevenfold ???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.58.41.32 (talk) 20:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avenged Sevenfold??? 

message: On november 28th 2007, Avril Lavigne performed at the Bell Center, in Montreal (Qc), for the Unite Against Aids concert.  She played Girlfriend, The best damn thing, Sk8erboy, I'm with you, Complicated, and others.  She also sang Adia with Sarah McLachlan.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelca17 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charities 

message: I just edited the number-one singles table, because it said that Avril had scored 7 number-one singles in Canada. I checked the history, and changed it to what it was a couple months ago. But I still don't understand why this table and the table in her discography have differences. I think the table on this page has to be adapted to the one on her discography. Blacer (talk) 19:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange..it says here that she had 8 number-one singles in Canada. But I agree with adapting from the dicography since most numbers are correct. \\Zhi\\ (talk) 16:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, why not just keep the number one singles section in the discography article? Most of the information mentioned here is already on her discography, so why repeat the whole thing? Besides, it's consuming too much space and just makes the article look "bulky". \\Zhi\\ (talk) 09:35, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number-one singles 

message: Um guys, do you reckon we need to note her favourite pizza toppings et al here? This is an encyclopedia, not an issue of Teen Magazine? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 23:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's gone. Looks like that little not-particularly-notable factoid has been sitting unnoticed in the article for a long, long time... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal life 

message: Whats the deal with these sales figures? Hrhadam (talk) 11:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot to add in the sales of her third album...{ Zh! } (talk) 08:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  12+16=30? 

message: Blacknnerdy (talk) 20:51, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: In one of avril lavignes first songs she says "I might have fallen for that when i was 14 but its amazing what a couple of years can be,"the word couple means 2 ,so 14 + 2 =16.Which means she was about 16 when she started singing.
--71.83.130.43 (talk) 23:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How old was she 

message: http://avrillavingevideo.blogspot.com/  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinaubo22A (talk • contribs) 00:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not needed since there is a already link to her youtube channel ;) Darth NormaN (talk) 02:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can I add this link 

message: Some people say Avril is 6 wks preg, and with 141,000 google hits, could it be true? Maybe she aborted the baby or put on a press suit. I heard she drank at the time they said she was "so called preg". Can anyone tell me it's true? I've added it as a rumor fact in case it is true, and for her statements if it is not true. --Alisyntalk 00:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: six weeks since when? its not true look at some latest pics (maxim photoshoot) --Darth NormaN (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to US Weekly, her rep denied the whole thing, so it seems that they’re just rumors. { Zh! } (talk) 17:44, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril, pregnant? 

message: Can I know her more....what is her favorite color and if someone will ask what symbol she wants or like 
on her life...what it could be???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.83.252 (talk) 12:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Her favorite colours consist of black and hotpink. Her symbol is a girly gothic skull which you can easily google or view in :Image:Av.jpg. --Alisyntalk 01:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  march 9 2008 

message: Could we please include some fan sites?
130.220.153.164 (talk) 10:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i would say no :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darth NormaN (talk • contribs) 21:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan site 

message: I really thought the old picture of her at the premiere of Over the Hedge was old and outdated, especially since her hair wasn't normal and she wasn't looking at the camera. The new one is fine now, so PLEASE do not  change it! --Alisyntalk 01:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the current picture is much better Think outside the box 16:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture 

message: There's a link right next to her new name to an article where she's quoted as saying, "Everyone knows me as Avril Lavigne but legally I changed my name to Avril Lavigne Whibley."  Surely the artist herself is the best source as to what her current legal name is.  Her middle name is not Ramona anymore.  Her birth name, including Ramona, is properly listed in the infobox under birth name.  Ariadne55 (talk) 01:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle name 

message: Should it not be mentioned that they only dropped the lawsuit after a settlement was reached?  That seems to be an important bit of info missing:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20171904,00.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.49.101 (talk) 00:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dunbar/Gangwer 

message: On Regis & Kelly this AM (4/2/08) she had Lindsey & Sofie back with her and not the ones listed on the page. Any one know the staus of this? Does the page need to be edited?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.110.20.114 (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Band Members 

message: I heard her concert tickets are not selling and that in Florida they are going for $9 a piece. Can anyone dig anything up confirming its not selling?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.213.181 (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perez Hilton posted that on his blog, so I'm not sure if it's even a reliable source. { Zh! } (talk) 08:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concert tickets not selling 

message: Well, it’s well known that Avril has always been complaining about or criticizing paparazzi and troubled peers. I mean, there isn’t an interview of hers that doesn’t contain these kinds of questions, plus she did pull a prank once on Pop Fiction. So, I think this thing is significant enough to be mentioned in the article, and maybe also something about the constant contrast between her current image and what she said when she was first coming out. { Zh! } (talk) 17:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can write it properly from sources with without WP:NOR, especially synthesis, then I don't see why not. It has to be very well sourced and presented neutrally, as this is a biography of a living person. SamBC(talk) 17:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions to the article? 

message: Hi, on the bindi article it mentions that Lavigne has worn a bindi. Can anybody verify? Speedboy Salesman (talk) 18:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: hm can't remember seeing a pic or a clip of her wearing a bindi.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an exhaustive search by any means, but I couldn't find anything useful with a Google search for "avril lavigne" bindi. The first hit was the WP article, which is not usually a good sign. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

text: changed the article and took her name out.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 01:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bindi 

message: Someone take this out 
The Matrix, who worked extensively with Lavigne on the album, commented on her songwriting, saying, "We had a fabulous and unique experience with Avril, who was then a 16-year-old rapidly growing songwriter with tremendous raw talent. The songs were conceived on piano and guitar by four people: The Matrix (3) and Avril. Avril was instrumental in the songs' creation. We were all very close during the making of the record
Theres no source and she worked on the album when she was 17  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destry11 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: I read her real last name is/was "Valine."  That's Italian, isn't it?  That's pretty close to "Lavigne," I guess.  Did that have anything to do with the pink flamingos in her "Girlfriend" vid?  Forgot where I read that.--76.245.121.112 (talk) 09:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Valine 

message: She have coverd the Metallica song "Fuel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgd5D-lXzAE
She has also covered "Bad Reputation" by classic punk chick Joan Jett.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.229.184 (talk) 22:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: added.. would be nice if you could find some sourcec except youtube ;) --Darth NormaN (talk) 23:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covers 

message: In terms of album sales, is Avril Lavigne's new music, "The Best Damn Thing"  better or worse than her old music (Let go, Under my Skin)?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Villagers revenge (talk • contribs) 10:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: b2t: since this is an encyclopedia, we should not judge her music.. the best damn things is just one of her albums.. and thats it.. i dont think we should say "this is worse" or "this one is better" or "she changed her style and music and now she sucks" or anything like that even if the number of sales may say something else. if one is interested in those numbers, he/she can read the album articles :) --Darth NormaN (talk) 10:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  album sales 

message: Someone *please* change the genres back to "Modern Rock," "Pop Punk," and "Pop Rock." Someone came in and added all the genres she's a small part of. You know, like "Rap Rock." It's ridiculous.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sillycucumber (talk • contribs) 16:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Shouldnt it be "Avril Whibley" Since she married dyreck whibley?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.211.21 (talk) 01:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Thats an olde fashioned view that women have to change their name when they get married. Makey melly (talk) 11:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, but unfortunately she did decide to change her name, so the page has to reflect that :-(  Ariadne55 (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Both are correct as they are in the article right now. Her birth name was Avril Ramona Lavigne, as it is listed in the infobox. Next to her name in the lead paragraph there is a link to an interview in which she stated that she decided to change her name to Avril Lavigne Whibley when she got married. There is no hyphen in the cited source. So the lead paragraph has her current legal name ("Avril Lavigne Whibley"), followed by the name she still uses professionally ("Avril Lavigne", no middle name). Ariadne55 (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Whats all this about Avril Lavigne being a scientist? Should this be mentioned? http://www.avrilbandaids.com/forums/articles-concert-reviews/56868-avril-1st-female-celebrity-named-scientific-method.html
:NO, lol read it again.. --Darth NormaN (talk) 12:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, a scientific method has been named after her that enables you to determine the R and S configurations about a stereocenter when you do a bull sign. See this. Think outside the box 15:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril Lavigne a scientist? 

message: as we know she has a brother (i think his name is Matt or something like that) and a sister as well.. any ideas how to add those information? --Darth NormaN (talk) 16:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you find a source for their names, a sentence such as "She has two siblings, A and B" or "She has an elder brother, A, and a younger sister, B" might fit in the first paragraph of the background section. Ariadne55 (talk) 16:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: imdb says "She has a younger sister, Michelle and an older brother, Matthew", but like Wikipedia imdb can be edited by anyone. Does this count as reliable? Here is another source which confirms the information. Think outside the box 17:25, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is usually not used as a source for the reasons you stated. I'm not sure about tv-now.com.  However, I found a People cite and that's usually strong enough proof for unremarkable claims such as this. Plus, it has a picture, which is always a nice feature in a link. I'll add the info now. Ariadne55 (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good find Ariadne! Think outside the box 19:58, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks :-) Ariadne55 (talk) 23:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  brother+sister 

message: In the Let Go section, it says that it sold over 14 million copies and then says two lines later that it sold over 16 million copies. It has sold over 16 million, so could this be shown please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avril rulez (talk • contribs) 13:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it as it was unsourced and wasn't tied to a date. I've also added some sources for 16 million. Think outside the box 09:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  14 million 

message: Avril can't play drums. In the last video (The Best Damn Thing), she is behind a drum, but he can't play them. She simply crush rhythmically and out of playback, and all the world can to make them. --79.22.152.91 (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril and the drums 

message: Apparently Avril has landed a lead role in an upcoming movie. She told The London Paper, "I've got a film role coming up - something you wouldn't expect from me, something deep and dark." Sources: allheadlinenews.com, hollyscoop.com thelondonpaper.typepad.com I don't think there is enough here yet to include in the article, but its something to look out for. D0762 (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been added. D0762 (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie Role 

message: Avril Lavigne works with more genres than pop rock, modern rock and punk pop, she also uses post grunge, teen pop, dance pop, alternative rock, piano rock, power ballad, soft rock, synthpop and rap rock aswell.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seán Travers (talk • contribs) 15:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sure but isn't it better to list the notable ones only? --Darth NormaN (talk) 16:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: which song of her has dance pop??? I think that she is not teen pop... She can use that genre... but mixed with pop-rock and pop-punk so it don't make some songs of her 100% Teen Pop  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabrina4226 (talk • contribs) 22:16, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerning genres 

message: So when is this movie shes in coming out? Where are they filming it? Any news? Frequently Frelled (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing is known at present other than it is a lead role in an upcoming film. However, the quote from Avril, "something you wouldn't expect from me, something deep and dark" is very similar to another quote from her about 1 year ago, "a dark kind of drama, sort of indie, kind of, but not too indie", when she was supposed to be staring in a movie called "Twist of Fate". Apparently that opportunity fell through. So until this news comes from a more credible source, it's just a rumor. D0762 (talk) 10:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie 

message: Why is it there? It is more of a radio format than anything!!! It doesn't explain a specific type of rock music! I think it should be removed! Who agrees?!--Seán Travers (talk) 21:31, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do. --Darth NormaN (talk) 10:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern rock? 

message: Under occupations on the left hand side it says as one of the occupations as songstealer? Is this correct or is it just vandalism? 86.11.47.17 (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vandalism which was added in this edit and reverted here D0762 (talk) 18:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: I don't want edit wars,so I think we should discuss this.
Earlier today,I changed the genres to pop and rock,using "aim for generality" as the reason. My edit was reverted saying that the genres aren't subgenres. Well,true,but they are different styles,and aiming for generality also means putting no styles either. So this needs to be discussed. XxJoshuaxX (talk) 20:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think it's quite clear. alternative rock is a major genre, Scottish alternative rock would not be one. Only having the uppermost genres "pop" and "rock" will not allow the difference to be made that is needed to distinguish between artists. Because I would, for example, never think this article's subject and a band like of Montreal (who do "pop" as well, "indie pop" that is) have anything in common in terms of the genre they are placed in. While I hate to invoke WP:OSE, I think the fact that almost noone who ever edited any artist or album article has done changes like you did, indicates that Template:Infobox Musical artist#Genre does not mean too general. Even the examples used on Template:Infobox Musical artist use things like "alternative rock" instead of "rock". There is more discussion on this template's talk. I think you should take it there or to WPP:MUSIC / WP:MUSICIAN preferably to reach more users because such changes will, as I indicated in my edit summary, affect almost every article about artists, bands, albums or other releases. Otherwise, I think a request for comments would be a good idea. So#Why 20:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Avril is not a guitarist by trade, if she were she would also be a drummer and pianist. As it says in instruments, she can play the guitar, but it is not an occupation like singing and modelling. Please recitfy this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avril rulez (talk • contribs) 19:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occupations 

message: Please read the source more carefully (I'm talking to you D0762) especially the last paragraph:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20171904,00.html
"The statement follows the disclosure that a confidential settlement had been reached in the federal lawsuit filed by Dunbar and Gangwer."
It's not surprising that some of you teeny bopper Avril fans try to delude yourself.  This is pretty much common knowledge:  Dunbar and Gangwer didn't just magically decide to drop their lawsuit and retract their plagiarism charges, they first settled it out of court with a confidential financial award and probably as an attachment to the financial award Dunbar and Gangwer had to release a statement exonerating Avril.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.40.88.86 (talk) 02:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean this? The source states it was settled confidentially, not that it was settled out of court. I've added the confidential bit back here D0762 (talk) 10:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rubinoos Settlement 

message: Do you think that Avril is really Teen Pop? I think that she could be ... but something more like teen rock ... no pop!... also according Rolling stones they label Lavigne to a "Teen Pop Slayer"
http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/avrillavigne/articles/story/5939826/avril_the_teenpop_slayer 
--Sabrina4226 (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teen Pop 

message: Should it be mentioned that Avie is having her vampire fangs removed? It's in all the news      so it's reliable, verifiable and notable. Personally I've always liked them, but apparently she "hates her fangs. She is planning on having them filed down by a cosmetic dentist. It's just something she has always been insecure about, especially since everyone is staring at her mouth when she sings." Shame, as she would have made a great actor in horror flicks. Nessie17 (talk) 15:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This is no more notable than which hair products she uses or if she cuts her fingernails. The sources are not very reliable anyway, and as she hasn't had the work done yet this is little more than a rumor. At the very best it might warrant one sentence in the Personal life section if she does have it done. Ғїяеѕкатеяtalk 15:37, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril Lavigne's vampire teeth 

message: She is from a devout Roman Catholic family and got married in the Roman Catholic Church, not any other faith. There is a mix up with Britney Spears. Please rectify. Thanks.
::I deleted 4 of the citations because they do not mention her being baptist.  for some reason I cannot see the number 20 citation Mbr1983 (talk) 13:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong religious affiliation 

message: I can't edit it myself because someone has decided to lock this article but the correct link for the Forbes Top 20 Earners Under 25 is here. Dunno if I could be bothered trying to contribute via an article's talk page again though :/ And yes I before you say it I know I could register an account but not all of us want credit and it's all released under the GFDL anyway. /sigh --210.84.17.84 (talk) 15:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: you could have registered.. dont know what you mean about the credit thing o.O anyway, that link is actually this and will be added. --Darth NormaN (talk) 15:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Registering probably wouldn't have helped him; new users need 10 edits and to have been on Wikipedia for at least four days before they can edit semi-protected pages. 20I.170.20 (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbes ref 

message: The Ramona surname on her current name is suppressed on the article.
The source page (reference #11) doesn't describes if she suppressed it from her name.
Her name still has Ramona (Avril Ramona Lavigne Whibley) unless a proof of the contrary appears here. Robfbms (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramona surname 

message: Could this be added to the "Other works" section, under "Covers":
:In 2008 Lavigne also covered the song Love Revolution by Lenny Kravitz, to be featured in her Abbey Dawn clothing line adverts.  The cover includes the vocals of Lenny Kravitz, Venessa Carlton and the Plain White Tees.
I'd add it myself but I am unable to edit the page. ΛVΛVΛTalk 11:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: added --Darth NormaN (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. ΛVΛVΛTalk 15:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Love Revolution 

message: Theres this dude, Damn ran, who's claiming that Avril's next official single will be "everything back but you". therefor he made several articles: here, here and here (maybe even more.. dont know), also editing related articles to link to them (so watch out! ;). Imo those shouldn't exist, plus he gave no references or source for that claim.
Would be nice if someone could put those articles on the delete list since I'm too busy to do that today, thanks in advance. --Darth NormaN (talk) 11:41, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: okay i searched a bit on youtube but couldn't find anything that looked like an official video, would be cool if you could give me a proper link to it, thanks. --Darth NormaN (talk) 13:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  everything back but you spam 

message: I have no idea about this, but I've been hearing rumors that there was going to be a new albulm. I was going to put some info up about that, but I didn't want to put any false info in the article. Does anybody know if that rumor is true?--Avrilfan11 (talk) 02:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a quick Google search for "Avril Lavigne" and "fourth album" and nothing legit came up at the moment. I'd wait until a reliable source confirms it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 02:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors Of New Albulm 

message: Plagiarism section: "Dubar" instead of "Dunbar".
At least you could check the spelling...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SunArena (talk • contribs) 18:55, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name's wrong. 

message: Is B-Sides (Avril Lavigne album) a hoax?--Commander Keane (talk) 04:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: hm, let me put it this way: it is not an official album but it more like a collection of some b-sides.. maybe merge with Let Go (Avril Lavigne album) again? --Darth NormaN (talk) 03:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-Sides (Avril Lavigne album) 

message: Ok, she did claim to be punk before, but now she say she's not, and trust me, she's far from, so why does the wiki page say that she is? pop-punk is an oxymoron. You can't be against mainstream and willing in the center of it at the same time. I'm not trying to 'grave dig' the whole punk - not punk... debate. I'm simply asking why the facts are she says she's not punk and never was, but the article says she is today.... shouldn't someone update it? rather or not she was in the past, let history argue that one, but now today, you can't call her punk because she's not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.183.103 (talk) 22:33, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question...? 

message: What's wrong in the article that appears without the genres? even in the albums! (Gas3191 (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a read of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Time_to_remove_genre_section_on_info_box.3F and the discussions further down the page. Genre fields have recently been removed from the artist and album infoboxes for the reasons stated. It doesn't seem to be a particularly popular change, so I guess that it might be reversed at some point in the near future. Or maybe not. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 02:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres??? 

message: It was stated in the article that Avril 'recently said' to the London Post that she would be appearing in a movie. "Recently" in this case is June 2008, though the line itself gives no context. I recommend changing the line to "recently (June 2008)..." --99.250.177.248 (talk) 01:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'recently said' 

message: Helo guys, i from Issrael, and i want to know if the surname of Deryck Whibley' is the second surname of Avril, because, we in israel dont know if second surname as registered here is true?
By theway' my english is bad so please' dont' lauggh me' ok...
--Dar Dahan (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about Her the second surname 

message: On the german Wikipedia site her name is Avril Ramona Lavigne Whibley, but on the english Wikipedia her name is without Ramona? Why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goreb (talk • contribs) 21:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: Avril Lavigne's brother Matt Lavigne. I did not wan't to put any false info so I will wait  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.62.104.67 (talk) 23:10, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril Lavigne's brother is Matt Lavigne 

message: Who keeps making up rubbish about Avril's sales?
She has sold 16.7 million for Let Go, 8.6 million for UMS and 5.4 million for TBDT, totalling 30.7 million.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Avril rulez (talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril's sales 

message: Today I just looked around the web when I noticed something strange: Avril does not appear on the UK site of RCA; even though her artist page still exist () she's no longer on the artists list () or in the artist browser ().
Instead she appears on Columbia Records: artist page, artists list, artist browser
Has Avril a record contract with Columbia instead of RCA in the UK or has she changed her label again?
--Oli (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: guess what.. its all the same: RCA Victor#Merger, see also List of Sony BMG labels. --Darth NormaN (talk) 00:11, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Label 

message: Where exactly are they? I'll do what I can to get rid... --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel words as of Dec 2008 

message: http://www.ringsurf.com/online/69-avril_lavigne.html
http://www.articlesbase.com/art-and-entertainment-articles/celebrity-biography-avril-lavigne-176804.html
http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/avril-lavigne/
Them websites plus many more state she had a Catholic upbringing. She was married in a Catholic cermony afterall, and the majority of French Canadians and Franco Ontarians are Catholic. But since there's conflicting sources, I'd say it would be best to leave that section out until she confirms it herself.
I agree, there's too many conflicting sources. Best wait till her Autobiography is released I s'pose! GNRDemocrazy (talk) 20:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: More than that, it should be left out until there is a reliable source linking her religious faith or lack thereof to any notable occurrence. A person's religion is generally of no particular significance.—Kww(talk) 20:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baptist? 

message: Do you know when she started using it? Cause it bears a striking resemblance to the Japanese band, Antic Cafe's.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bakawes (talk • contribs) 20:16, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Her symbol? 

message: What is the correct section to put information of Avril appearance in video games? like  Celebrity Sports Showdown, where she appears as one of the players... That would be good if we add that info... --190.72.151.136 (talk) 06:15, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril appearances in video games 

message: Have we any references to back up that "Basket Case", "Unwanted" and "Things I'll Never Say" are promo singles?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RandomEnigmaReborn (talk • contribs) 22:51, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promo singles 

message: There is no info about any album called "The Softer Side" at official sites (official site, MySpace, fan sites). The only results found at Google are download blogs which display a kind of fake (and ugly) art and a tracklist compilating no new song, just like a pirate or fan-made album. So I've removed it from the studio albums list, since it's not a studio album. Robfbms (talk) 05:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No "The Softer Side" available at official sites 

message: In the French language, "La vigne" means "the vine", not "the vineyard". The article should be updated consequentially.Shade00a00 (talk) 10:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It could mean either. I couldn't even find a mention of where the name comes from in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.100.32.24 (talk) 01:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Vigne, The vineyard? 

message: Perhaps the news of her working on her fourth album should be added? She gave out quite a bit of information about it in the following interview: http://www.avrilbandaids.com/forums/best-damn-forum/60585-bandaids-interview-avril-lavigne.html
MidnightVulpine (talk) 14:40, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: everything i get from this interview is that there probably will be a new album.. but thats it.. not worth mentioning at the moment in my opinion --Darth NormaN (talk) 17:13, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Those are forums. Not reliable. --Efe (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth Album 

message: Avril has released two so far (http://gallery.avrilbandaids.com/thumbnails.php?album=3099 ; http://gallery.avrilbandaids.com/thumbnails.php?album=3100) maybe they should be mentioned somewhere?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.51.37 (talk) 18:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD Singles 

message: It's time to become more serious about the matter. Rules are rules, and must me obeyed, personal feelings aside. 
#First, styles and sub-genres are not to be used in the infobox i.e. general genres ONLY. 
#Try to avoid listing fusion genres if they are repetitious (i.e. if you have "pop, rock, pop rock", then the last one becomes redundant). Right now, all that's needed in this article are pop, rock, and punk. Styles like power pop (a mixture of pop and rock) and pop punk (a mixture of pop, punk, alternative rock and power pop) and pop rock are all redundant and repetitive. They are not needed. 
# Only sourced content must appear in the infoboxes. However, that doesn't mean that every sourced entry should be crammed into the info box. Since sources have a way of blurring the line between styles and genres, we need to follow rule number one to reduce redundancy.  
#And just to remind editors, failure to adhere to rules and excessive reversion of the article may result in the article being protected from everyone until people can work out their frustrations here. 
I'll refrain for editing the article to change content, and will remain as mediator. Orane (talk) 19:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to kurt, kiac, and orane for the clear explanation. I am sorry for using an IP. I will not be editing until after the Holy Week. PS, her being punk is even "disputed" (following the release of Let Go), and punk is a subgenre of rock. --121.1.30.98 (talk) 04:09, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rules are rules

message: The non-English Avril sung (as opposed to non-Avril covers) versions of her songs should be listed clearly. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 12:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-English 

message: *She is not! PUNK ROCK,POST GRUNGE,and Rock,
she is Only POP ROCK,Pop,and pop Punk.
*Instruments she playing: rhythm guitar and vocals,
but electric Guitar,piano,drums,acoustic guitar.. NOT,she not playing "SOLO" guitar,drums....
*Avril lavigne is like another myles cyrus,she is not a kt tunstall, or alanis morissette  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Albertrocker (talk • contribs) 00:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If she plays rythm guitar, she plays it with an acoustic and an electric guitar, she can play the piano, you should check out some videos of her playing piano. 
She has some songs with post-grunge oriented sound in a pop-rock format, She has been compared with Alanis Morissette's albums like Jagged Little Pill and Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie (albums which have post-grunge influences), because sounds similar with its, also there are musicians with post-grunge influences such as Raine Maida (Our Lady Peace, Butch Walker (Marvelous 3), Ben Moody  (Evanescence) , and have been working on lavigne's album (as a producer, composer, etc) and that's one of the reason that she has had some post-grunge sounds .
However if you check out the definition of Punk-Pop music on allmusic.com (*press here*, is the complete explanation) you will find the following explanation
              'Punk-Pop is a post-grunge strand of alternative rock that combines power-pop melodies and chord changes with speedy punk tempos and loud guitars.' 
So ... avril is pop-punk, and pop punk it's practically a mix of power pop and post-grunge, maybe here we find a why for her 'post-grunge' influence.
Other point are the reviews and stuff which say that avril has that influence on her music.  
Here is some good references where you can check it.
Rockdetector.com: Avril LavigneRock 'n roll and rock music. Hard, Alternative, Roots, Grunge and Post-Grunge, late 1980's - 2000's spun.com: Avril Lavigne - Let Gospun.com: Post-Grungefye.com: Let go - Avril LavigneAllmusic.com: Avril Lavigne well that's why she is it, and also I can hear it, in some songs of her =) --200.93.18.193 (talk) 05:30, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: If you were to add them genres and them sources, they would just be deleted by some biased wikipedia member. The genres should say Rock and Pop-Punk Discoh8er (talk) 11:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre,instruments 

message: Hey everyone,
I want to suggest mergin the Black Star (fragrance) article (Avril's upcomming fragrance) into this article. Why? Well the black star article is small and consists of only few facts. Since this article already lists information about Black Star it would be no problem to move the picture and some of the references to this article. What do you think? --Darth NormaN (talk) 17:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: and so be it --Darth NormaN (talk) 20:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I have a source which clearly states she is from Napanee and not Bellville, Ontario.  So I am going to change that in the article since there are no sources for Bellville.  Plus it has been said many, many times in various interviews, TV appearances, etc. that she is from Napanee.  Bellville has never been mentioned.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 05:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have conflicting information.  IMDB says she was born in Bellville, while the first link I posted said Napanee.  Can someone clarify this?  Mr. C.C. (talk) 06:04, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: She was born in Bellville, then moved to Napanee where she grew up. --Darth NormaN (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avril Lavigne Is From Napanee Not Bellville 

message: I'm not sure which jokster posted this, but on the filmography section, it says Avril was the voice of Rabbit in the Piglet Movie, and that's not true by any means.
It's very absurd to even have there, and there's a lock on the page so no one can edit it off, but some friends of mine have emailed me asking if her new movie--supposedly named "Twist of Fate"--never exsisted, and instead she was going to make it publically known that maybe she'd down more voice-over work and it was for the Piglet movie (my friends aren't advid fans of hers, and I am, so I knew better...plus, I've seen the movie).
I just think someone should contact Wikipedia somehow, because obviously whichever genius they have editing the pages and correcting them doesn't know how to proofread...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockrebel219 (talk • contribs) 07:02, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah i wasnt sure about this one but avril voicing a male rabbit? hm.. anyway, i removed it --Darth NormaN (talk) 08:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The user who added that has now been indefinitely blocked for vandalism. He's been inserting subtle misinformation into a whole series of articles recently. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 10:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fake Filmography Info... 

message: In the Musical Career - Best Damn Thing Section :-
Lavigne's third album, The Best Damn Thing, was released on April 17, 2007. Lavigne went into a small tour to promote The Best Damn Thing. The album's lead single, "Girlfriend", topped the Billboard Hot 100, the week The Best Damn Thing debuted at number one on the Billboard
'went into' may i suggest it is changed to 'undertook', or even a simple 'did'
piggyinthemiddle (talk) 10:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 11:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misuse of English. 

message: == ez-tracks == 
ez-tracks Site links to ringtone vendors that obfuscate subscription sign up and/or terms and conditions for free ringtones with flashy promotional content. Check the fine print. http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/www.ez-tracks.com
ez-tracks is considered spam and infects computer with adware.
I suggest the ref below only should be removed.
. Subsequent singles "Sk8er Boi" and "I'm With You" reached the top ten in the United States.
:. Thanks for pointing that one out. I'll check to see how widely linked that site is on WP. Looks like the site contains copyvio content too - yet another reason that we shouldn't be linking to it at all. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ez-tracks Site links to ringtone vendors that obfuscate subscription sign up and/or terms and conditions for free ringtones with flashy promotional content. Check the fine print. http://www.siteadviso 

message: Avril said the album would be out "early next year" on the View. Check youtube for "Avril Lavigne on the View 9/11/09  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.51.37 (talk) 19:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  November 17th release not true 

message: Avril has not confirmed this title for her 4th album, but MSN posted an article claiming "SADP" will be the name.
http://entertainment.ca.msn.com/music/photos/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=21375870&page=7
Other titles are either official or named "TBA"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.51.37 (talk) 16:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweet And Dark Princess 

message: in the under my skin album section it mentions a tour that went to every continent, it didn't.
82.27.236.21 (talk) 22:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: should be fixed now. --Darth NormaN (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  geography 

message: I am an Avril fan, and I have a funny story about this girl that someone tried to set me up with, that looks like Avril. Someone saw something I wrote on computer, and followed me all the way from Atl. to Florida, but I never found out exactly what they were doing. It reminded me of a film like SWF. Nobody's Home75.202.144.2 (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schroeder 

message: A document that was leaked from Sony BMG apparently names the album as 'Crash & Burn'. It also features the full tracklisting. http://i34.tinypic.com/312vfiw.jpg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.91.51.37 (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally find that pretty interesting, but in terms of Wikipedia, I'm not sure that holds up to standards of verifiability. – Kerαunoςcopia 14:38, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Crash & Burn' 

message: Its just my opinion but I think the controversy section is a little to long. I think we could shorten the part about the lawsuit and just say it was later dropped. The part on the comment by her fellow songwriter Chantal Kreviazuk could by shortened a little bit also too. The section is kind of tabloid like to a certain degree. Any thoughts? --Alextwa (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Every band is being added in the "inspired by/inspiration to" paragraphs, whether cited or not.  This listing of bands and musicians is neither professional nor very encyclopedic.  I did not remove the paragraphs entirely though, because I feel at some point someone should come along and really clean this section up, perhaps citing a few musicians who've inspired Avril and why they have inspired her, rather than merely being listed for the purpose of article filler.  – Kerαunoςcopia 08:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical style and public image section in the article 

message: This is an absolutely atrocious article; it looks like 7-year-old fans wrote it. I spent over 20 minutes just fixing the errors for one paragraph. If an admin is reading this, please flag this article as poorly written.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obamamaniac (talk • contribs) 08:01, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it yourself? Admins aren't required to improve articles, you are! Well not just you, everyone. See WP:TMC for relevant tags to use. kiac. (talk-contrib) 14:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious overhaul needed.