Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Archive 4

message: By the rule of using local name, shouldn't this be Philippine piso? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Piso ng Pilipinas" is what it is called on the Tagalog Wikipedia. – Zntrip 22:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Philippine peso 

message: 152.97.217.126 just changed the date from 2009 to 2010 all over the place. But I am no euro expert. Can someone verify? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgaria to join euro 

message: * New optional row inflation_method where the most often value is CPI
* The heading "Inflation rate" is shorten to "Inflation" so that it won't cause that row to be unnecessarily higher.
* See Czech koruna for example.
--ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Currency infobox release note 

message: Are you tired of doing this formula:
coin weight * purity / 31.1034768 * price of 1 troy ounce of metal X
User:Chochopk/Latin Monetary Union unit could alleviate some of that burden. The new table shows various common coin specifications in the late 19th and early 20th century and their current bullion values. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Monetary Union unit (part 2) 

message: I stumbled across Trade Dollar Coin of the United States today, and wonder if this might not serve us better as a category than an essentially empty article.  Thoughts?  --cholmes75 (chit chat) 18:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. And I think the capitalization of the article/category has been generally overlooked. Only proper names should be capitalized. Seated Liberty dollar is fine, as Liberty refers to Lady Liberty. Trade Dollar (United States coin) looks questionable. Trade Dollar Coin of the United States (or the future category) also looks questionable to me. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trade Dollar Coin of the United States 

message: There is a commons:Category:Money of the East Caribbean States and commons:Category:Coins of East Caribbean States. Which one is grammatically correct? with "the" or without? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without the "the" the sentence sounds not correct to the ear, so "the" should be there for both instances. Enlil Ninlil 05:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  correct grammar 

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replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. 207.160.66.129 14:42, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: Order of the Garter is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 20:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Order of the Garter]]

message: Hello numismaticists, how do you all feel about the prospect of another project specifically focussing on the Australian honours system - would that step on anyones toes here?  I posted a request for expressions of interest here. — Moondyne 13:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A very interesting area.  I'm sure it wouldn't step on anyones toes.  I think it may be alittle to specific a field to start an entire project around.  You could definatly start the work you need, we could set you up a sub page of this project until sufficent numbers of interested people showup, and then at that time would be the best to start a new project.  But, no ones gonna stop you either. :)  Joe  I 15:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually for Australia it is a pretty significant event, everyone knows about it and it is heavily publicised. Enlil Ninlil 04:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Australian awards

message: Hi
I think it would be useful to have some templates for obverse/reverse coin images. There are already templates for coins, but those are like full catalogue entries; they are too detailed and large for some uses. What I envisage are templates useful for inclusion of thumbs in text. I suggest the following matching templates with the images side-by-side:
* template to include two images (eg. obverse and reverse) with a single common legend.
* template to include one double-image (ie with both obverse and reverse) with a single common legend
* single-image and double-image templates as above but having three legends: an obverse, reverse, and global legend. This could be the master as long as no space was used for 
The templates could also be used when comparing two different coins.
An example of where I am using images that I think could be better presented using the templates suggested is the Roman Republican coinage page. 
Any comments on the concept?
Curtius 18:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't agree more. I see repeated hard coded table in articles like Spanish peseta, Italian lira. In case you haven't noticed, I'm a big proponent of templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: OK then, here is my prototype for the left side and right side versions (I know they are just tables, but first the design, then I'll figure out templates.). I have tried to stick as close as possible to the standard image layout. There are two versions because they are padded differently. 
    * Is this what we want? 
    * Should the O: and R: links be part of it or should I make it more general? 
    * Do I need to make a middle version or will we insist on left & right?
The remaining text is just a filler to show how they look surrounded by text. Curtius 22:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Let's take it to the Sandbox, shall we? I'll try to come up with something, too. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  coin image templates 

message: Someone raised a concern about providing precise exchange rate. The discussion is at Template talk:Exchange Rate. After months of watching IP users doing it the wrong/bad way. I'm leaning toward removing the rate all together and leave the external links. Please let me know what you think. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I find to change the exchange rate all the time to be a great wast of time. So a link would be sensible. Enlil Ninlil 05:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess someone could have a bot it. – Zntrip 06:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I could bot it, but I'm just too busy on something else and in real life. So if the consensus (yeah... 3 people) is to remove the rate and keep the link. My next question is whether or not to keep it at its current location, or move it in the infobox. I've seen currency article on wiki of other languages. And they put the rate inside the infobox. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exchange rate 

message: Hi coin fans, can you take a look at the article on Oregon Centennial Tokens? This was created by an editor a year who promised to come back and fix it up, but never did. It now has the status of a contested prod (the prod tag being placed by me) and I am tempted to put it up for AfD but I'm hoping someone who knows something about the subject will fix it up instead. I'm not sure about the criteria for numismatics articles, but some of this seems to be only of interest to other coin collectors and not to the general reader (and kind of a how-to guide). If it could be made more encyclopedic, that would be helpful. I have nothing personal against the article, I actually find it an interesting bit of Oregon history, but not sure this has wide enough interest to merit an encyclopedia article. Right now the only Google hits seem to be Wikipedia mirrors and eBay want requests. Thanks! Katr67 18:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Oregon Centennial Tokens]] 

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 00:04, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: The webmaster of Sinobanknote has agreed to let people upload images to Wikipedia. Enjoy. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You must get written permission for a GFDL use.  You can go here to start.  I do have the permission from [aboutcoins.org] to use all images, just forgot to add it.  Joe  I 06:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good news (sinobanknote) 

message: I'm aware that about a year ago a discussion was held about using the name Lebanese pound vs. Lebanese livre in reference to the official currency of Lebanon. The more I look at it however, the more I disagree with the conclusion that was reached. The conclusion that was apparently reached was to use the French translation of the Arabic lira. This doesn't make much sense to me for a few reasons:
*Livre is just the French translation of lira, while pound is the English translation. The banknotes are printed in French and Arabic, but French isn't the official language of Lebanon, and this isn't the French Wikipedia, so both the Arabic lira and English pound make more sense to me.
*Livre isn't the common term used in reference to the currency. A quick Google search for "Lebanese pound" returns 1.6 million results, while "Lebanese lira" returns 18,000, "Lebanese livre" returns only 1,100, and the correct french translation "livre Libanaise" returns 46,000.
*As already noted, the ISO 4217 lists the currency as Lebanese pound, though that reference obviously isn't infallible.
*The Lebanese central bank website makes heavy use of the terms pound, Lebanese pound, and LBP in the English translations of its laws and publications.
I don't particularly have a preference between lira and pound, but either seems more appropriate than the French livre. I believe that while most things on the English Wikipedia use the English translations, this WikiProject's style guidelines state that the native word should be used instead of the translation (in this case, lira). George Saliba 12:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been talking with Dove1950 about the Lebanese livre article, and I believe we've reached the general conclusion that, per the Numismatics style guidelines, the appropirate name of the article is Lebanese lira. As such, I'm going to move the article and begin updating references to it. George Saliba 23:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have to go with pound since that is the most common translation and name of the currency. – Zntrip 01:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the most commonly used term by far in English appears to be Lebanese pound, and on most Wikipedia articles this would be the preferred style, but according to the Numismatics style guidelines we should "Use the local name for the denomination even if there's an English translation (e.g., Czech koruna, not Czech crown)." Now granted, this bullet point is a sub-point of currencies "not listed at the ISO 4217 page", but since the decision was made at some point to divert from the norm and not use the ISO 4217 term Lebanese pound, my only point was that Lebanese lira was more accurate than Lebanese livre (a muddled French translation) - not specifically that Lebanese lira was better than Lebanese pound, and so I've updated the article as such. If people would like to have the discussion on using the ISO 4217 term Lebanese pound versus the current term Lebanese lira, I'm entirely open to that as well. I'm not sure why the article was named Lebanese livre over Lebanese pound in the first place, other than the fact that the French translation was printed on the banknotes and the English translation was not. George Saliba 05:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese livre 

message: Order of St. Patrick is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 15:56, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Order of St. Patrick]]

message: One area of expertise of mine is in the areas of "art medals" — which is unusually and awkwardly styled in Wikipedia as "artist's medals".  Although it's traditionally a part of exonumia, "Artist's medals" is currently a separate page under the "Numismatics" category, although the related "Orders and decorations" is a subcategory under "Exonumia".  Furthermore, "Medal" and "Medallion" are separate pages under "Exonumia".
I would like to suggest a restructuring of Exonumia along the following lines:  Making the article "Medal" a subcategory under "Exonumia", with "Orders and decorations", "Art medals" (renamed from "Artist's medals"), "Prize medals", and perhaps "Devotional medals" as separate subcategories under "Medal".  I think this would be more helpful to the typical reader who wouldn't be familiar with the specialist's term "Orders and decorations".  Starting them at "Medals" first would clarify the distinction and better guide them to what they're looking for.  Comments?  Askari Mark | Talk 05:12, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about exonumia, but find the current structure annoying and confusing. One of the problems, which I don't know enough about to fix is that :Category:Orders and decorations currently contains some things that are not exonumia. Apparently, it's only exonumia if there's a physical medal associated, which makes sense. It's all mixed together now though, and I don't know enough to split them (but I tried tagging everything under :Category:Exonumia, and got some complaints so I stopped). Also, some categories contain awards and decorations together which includes some awards in the sense of military/government awards which often belong in Exonumia, but it also contains some subcategories for entertainment awards, which are completely different in my mind. I'd love to see this area cleaned up and reorganized, and your ideas sound like a great start. If you get to a point where there's some clear distinction between Exonumia and not-Exonumia in the categories, let me know, and I can use User:WatchlistBot to tag the articles, making them easier to keep track of. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Exonumia articles for the current, woefully inadequate list. Although I can't promise I'll be prompt, since I'm not around much anymore. Ingrid 00:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think anyone currently involed puts alot of effort into exonumia stuff, so I'm sure it's gonna need some work, especially categories and stuff.  Go for it, have fun :)  Anything you need, just ask.  Joe  I 03:26, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested changes under Exonumia category 

message: I'm not really here, just updated the watchlist (finally). I noticed two page moves which were probably inappropriate. The articles are now at East German Mark and Spanish Escudo and probably need to be moved back, but I'm not around enough to follow-up if someone has a problem with it. Ingrid 00:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What was concluded at Talk:German mark was that units in the article names remain lower case, while units in the articles are capitalized. I implemented the resolution long time ago, including all kinds of Thalers. Apparently, I missed East German mark. Spanish Escudo should be Spanish escudo without questions. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  currency article names (again) 

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thread_title: Octopus card FAR

message: As 1 January 2007 approaches, the day Slovenia joins euro, we must prepare for the change on Wikipedia. I am pre-emptively making a list so that we can make the change quickly and minimize edit conflicts. We can show to the other Wikipedians that members of this projects take things seriously! And we can show the world that genuine volunteers are making Wikipedia as accurate as possible (and quickly).
;A lot of changes
* Slovenian tolar
* Euro
* Eurozone
* Introduction of the euro?
;Some changes
* Slovenia
* Economy of Slovenia
* Currencies related to the euro
* European Exchange Rate Mechanism
* 8 denominations of coins (1 cent euro coins, 2 cent euro coins, etc)
* Slovenian euro coins
;Trivial changes
* 
* 
* Dollar (only the Slovenian Tolar is still in use. However, on 1 January 2007, it will be replaced by the euro.)
* European Union (infobox)
* Euro coins (The first coins with the new front design will be minted in 2007, Slovenia will be the first to use it.)
* Economy of Europe (the table)
* Special member state territories and their relations with the European Union (table)
* Bank of Slovenia
* 
* ISO 4217
* List of historical currencies (add on January 15)
* List of circulating currencies (remove on January 15)
* SIT ("former")
* European System of Central Banks
* European Central Bank
* List of central banks
* 
* €2 commemorative coins
* European Union/table (not really being used now)
* List of minimum wages by country
Images (and their uploaders)
* :Image:European union emu map en.png :commons:User:San Jose
* :Image:Euro accession.PNG :commons:User:Electionworld
* :Image:Euro outside.PNG :commons:User:Electionworld
* :Image:Eurozone2006.png :commons:User:Verdy p (:Image:Eurozone2007.png)
Please feel free to add to the list or leave any comment. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 13:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some articles. edolen1 16:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Acording to what Nightstallion put on my future currency changes page the tolar and euro will circulate together until March 1. This can't be varified beacuse the link no he provided no longer works. – Zntrip 21:58, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What I mean is that the tolar and the euro will both circulate untill 1 March. The euro will be intoduced on 1 January and the tolar will be no longer be legal tendar on 1 March, so the dual circulation period will be from 1 January to 1 March. ¿Comprende? ;) – Zntrip 01:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye, indeed. Incidentally, we will also have to change €2 commemorative coins -- though I do not know after which date Slovenia will be allowed to mint its own commemorative coins... —Nightstallion (?) 23:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. The euro will become legal tender on 1 January. However, cash payments in tolars will be allowed until including 14 January, when the tolar will cease to be legal tender. Afterwards all payments will have to be made with euros. Tolars will be, however, exchanged into euros free of charge at all bank branches in Slovenia until 1 March. Afterwards they will only be exchangable at the Bank of Slovenia. See here. edolen1 15:33, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay, thanks. —Nightstallion (?) 17:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I wanted to help a bit, as well, but since I won't be able to access the internet at the specific time, I made a few minor changes in places which don't hurt if they're updated now. Hope that's okay.  —Nightstallion (?) 12:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated for now. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some of the trivial changes on some articles already, hope you don't mind. By the way, someone already made some changes in the Eurozone article, but he only deleted Slovenia from the countries which will join the Eurozone and added it to the Eurozone countries. He also made some minor changes (12 members to 13 members). I am not sure if this event requires more coverage or if anything else should be changed in the article, so if someone could check it through I'd be most grateful. Oh, and there is a problem with the table of currencies inside ERMII, I don't know how to fix it, if someone could fix that as well. Thanks and a happy New Year to everyone! edolen1 17:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Updated. edolen1 17:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All done. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found another article that might warrant a rewrite: Introduction of the euro. Thoughts? edolen1 21:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovenian tolar 

message: The "article" on Japanese money is currently a disambiguation page, linking only to yen, Japanese mon, and ryō. I am amazed to discover that there is no single article discussing the full history of the emergence and development of the monetary economy in Japan. I know that much of the information can be found scattered across a number of pages, including these, rice brokers, and a number of others. But as of right now, Economy of Japan is purely contemporary information, giving no early modern or pre-modern history, Bank of Japan the same, and Yen seems to be largely if not exclusively a discussion of the coins themselves from a numismatics perspective, not a "history of economics" one. What do others think? Is this something worth pursuing, and is anyone interested in helping? Thank you. LordAmeth 23:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Japanese money]] 

message: Should Money be part of the project? I'm leaning towards no. I was doing some assessment (and plan to run User:WatchlistBot shortly to get the images out of Unassessed again), and noticed Automatic cash handling, which doesn't seem like it should be in our project, right? I have so much trouble telling with areas that I'm not personally interested in. Ingrid 18:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Individual items used as money should, as coins and notes are in our area.  ATM's and such, I see no need for those. Now maybe those automatic counters the FED uses, maybe?  Joe  I 22:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Money]] 

message: I'm working on merging (, ), (, ). And I stumbled upon the parameters "Denomination", "Country", "Value", "Unit". Currently they are used this way:
* Denomination: name of coin such as "Peace Dollar". If there's no special name, fall back to a generic amount like "One dollar" or "Fifty cents"
* Country: the country
* Value: numeric value in terms of the main unit (usually), such as "0.5" for 50 cents
* Unit: the currency
I find this silly and redundant. I propose User:Chochopk/Template sandbox 2. What do you think? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox coin 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I am considering getting an article on these to good article status, anyone able to help?? --SunStar Nettalk 02:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman coins 

message: The template states matter-of-factly that images of American currency are not eligible for copyright and are therefore in the public domain, which is contradicted by the US Mint's own website. Someone might want to look into this and correct the tag. ~ trialsanderrors 09:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Template:Money-US]]

message: There are many duplicates on :Category:Euro images with commons:Category:Euro. Should I mark them for deletion? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might as well. – Zntrip 23:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  euro image 

message: You should consider using the template Template:PD-Bridgeman or something similar as per the Bridgeman v. Corel ruling.  Many pictures of coins on Wikipedia are nothing more than straight-on photographs or scans of public domain coins/coin artwork (e.g. Roman coins).  As such, they aren't eligible for copyright.  Nathan J. Yoder 08:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavish copies of public domain coin artwork copyright ineligible 

message: Theese coins really need work on, Theese include: 
Australian pound -  ½d 1d 3d 6d 1/- 2/- 5/- 10/- £1 £5 £10 £20 £50 £100 £1000 
Australian Dollar
1¢ 2¢ 5¢ 10¢ 20¢ 50¢ round 50¢ $1 $2 
I also need help with the images, i have most of theese coins, almost all of the commerative AUD and Australian Pound but everytime i go to upload an image the format type is incorrect, and do i have to cut them out? I can do some but im not very wikicombatible
IAmTheCoinMan 12:15, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they JPG? or some other format? By the way, currency unit should be lower case. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Managed to get them working, didnt realise i had to add .jpg to the end of the Destination Filename IAmTheCoinMan 23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Coins 

message: Please comment whether we should use English (Grosh/Grosch) or German (Groschen); see also Talk:Prager Groschen and Talk:Krakau Groschen.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  15:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Groschen]]

message: The Sudanese dinar has been replaced by the Sudanese pound (again). Copyediting and updating is necessary in these and related articles; unfortunately, I'm rather busy right now, else I'd do it myself. —Nightstallion (?) 11:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates and copyedits needed 

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thread_title: Gold standard FAR

message: I nominated  and  for deletion because they've been superseded by . See TfD here. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 16:12, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD raised 

message: The article Cádiz is under the tag of this wikiproject. I would appreciate your revision in order either to remove the tag or to add some relevant numismatic information that could justify its inclusion. (Perhaps it is because the popular Gaditan tango Aquellos Duros Antiguos???)
--Garcilaso 10:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually reverted a bot adding the tag a few months ago, but I noticed that the article is in :Category:Ancient mints. That's why it's automatically been tagged for WikiProject Numismatics. It's not really expounded on in the article, but, hey, that's what Wikiproject coordination is for. — Rebelguys2 talk 17:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Cádiz]]?

message: This article needs to be renamed. "Dollar" should be lower case. But what about the rest? "Hutt River dollar"? "Hutt River Province Principality dollar"? The microstate's official website uses "Principality of Hutt River", but the use of the word "Province" is also frequent. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hutt River Province Principality Dollar]] 

message: There's no mention of the Japanese peso at Peso. However, I took a photo yesterday of a Japanese 10 pesos note. Should I upload it to Wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.89.14.49 (talk) 02:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do, but instead upload it to commons, you will have to register to do it tho.  Leave a link here when you do please.  Thanks  :)  Joe  I 02:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know about how to use the commons, so I have uploaded the photo to wikipedia. It is called :Image:Japanese.peso.jpg. I hope it is clear. Artistsue 08:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese Peso

message: Order of the Thistle has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. LuciferMorgan 22:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of the Thistle FAR

message: Has anyone seen this article yet? (I found it at coinforum.org). It looks interesting. Just thought I'd share. Happy editing! Johann...[ T...C ]  01:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Million dollar coin

message: http://allafrica.com/currencies/ Too bad it's only Africa. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good news site for this project 

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gallery of Australian banknotes  Joe  I 02:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yet another AfD

message: I propose making an adjustment to the infobox for currency related articles to show the estimated value against other major currencies say limiting it at the top 5 currencies. Whenever I hear a person signed an agreement for 500,000 Francs or Pounds, I only really want to know what that equals in dollars when I click on the word. I'm sure other editors feel the same way about foreign currencies. I commented here becuase I figured I'd get more response but I also commented on the template talk page. Quadzilla99 03:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a bit of history to this. I've thought about this before. But then I decided to put exchange rate at Template talk:Exchange Rate, which has all the links to the current rate. Since it is so big, it wouldn't fit well in the infobox. That template also had the ability to show an "exchange rate snapshot", which is just an arbitrary date, and the rates on that day. But then after Template talk:Exchange Rate#Principle of quoting exchange rate on an arbitrary date, exchange rate snapshot is removed for these reasons. If the rate of an arbitrary date is given, it may be subject to market volatility. It will also invite random anonymous editors to update the rate at random interval. If someone update the exchange rate of euro/USD on the euro article, and then a few hours later in the same day, someone else update the exchange rate of euro/USD on the USD article, the rate may be different, but the date shows the same. Now there would be contradiction. Example 2: If the euro article has exchange against 4 other currencies, someone might just update one of them, very annoying. What do you suggest that can alleviate these problems? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox adjustment

message: I've added Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dime (United States coin).  It's about time this article gets promoted.  If you have time and the inclination, please help out with any issues that arise.  Joe  I 21:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA

message: The current situation is a mess. I will what I list at my to do list, which is available on my user page. I just think it's nice to notify people who may be interested. Be patient, this will take some time. Please don't yell at me like "why did you do xyz to the Belgian coins but not German. Inconsistency!". --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 09:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euro coin images 

message: I just wanted to let you know that the category structure at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Categories is now the actual category structure as generated by User:WatchlistBot. Let me know if/when you want me to update it. Ingrid 01:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: There are a number of things categorized under :Category:Numismatics that either shouldn't be in the cat and/or in the project.  Please add any other individual or groups you feel.  Joe  I 06:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, including that I'm not sure what to do with Electronic currencies. Since fictional currencies are included in exonumia, I think Electronic currencies would fit there. I've moved some articles out of :Category:Numismatics (in my experience, most articles don't belong there). I wasn't sure what to do with WildWinds. Looks like an ad to me, but maybe it's notable, and I'm just aware of them. Anyone know? Ingrid 01:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does look very much like an ad.  It's allready got an ad tag on it, so we'll see where it goes I guess.  Joe  I 05:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Most of the articles in those can be discarded, probly all that do belong in the project are under other cats.  Joe  I 03:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, that doesn't seem to belong here to well, either.  Joe  I 03:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: That sounds like a good idea.  I've disliked that cat from the start.  Joe  I 03:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds reasonable to me. What about renaming the category to something that makes it clear the articles are not actually about mints, like "Sites of ancient mints"? Ingrid 00:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I started }} which should take care of everything, unless I'm missing something.  Not many people know or would care about any misclassification, until we get an Exonumia expert, I guess.  Joe  I 03:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: This is clearly exonumia. Perhaps also complementary currency (see my proposal below). I'll switch the tags to exonumia and wait and see for the categorization. Ingrid 21:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Things that should not be in project

message: In the past, I have been trying very hard to keep the numismatic galleries. I wrote lengthy arguments on AfD pages. A gallery can take the union of images on commons and on en. And editors have the freedom to section the images and put appropriate captions, like Gallery of Japanese banknotes. However, people keep raising AfD. Every time, it revolves around copyright or fair use. I think the whole copyright thing on currency is stupid. We must take a step back and remind ourselves the ultimate reason why the concept of "copyright" exists. It exists because people that make money from creativity, like writers, actors, composers, or even computer programmers can actually make a living without worrying about their output being copied without getting their due profit. Now, if I copy the images of currencies 1000 times, does that hurt whoever the engravers/designers are? NO! The state paid them already and that's it. But there are tons of copyright crusaders on wiki. Now I've said it. I don't care if hurts my RfA in the future, if there is one. OK, it was not my epiphany. My epiphany is the following. Copyright crusaders will always use the argument that if an image can be commonfied, it should be on commons, and you can create all the galleries you want on commons. If an image can't be on commons and is fair use, then it can't be on commons, nor can it be on en galleries. We can never argue against that. So I will stop defending galleries from now on. Instead, I will try to sub categorize :Category:Currency images. And ultimately, delete the galleries. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I had an epiphany 

message: What do you think of merging this with :Category:Currency designers? There are only 4 coiners right now, and it's not clear if they all actually made coins/medals or just designed them (specifically Joseph Boehm and George Kruger Gray). Ingrid 00:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They seem pretty interchangeable, but for an easier solution, how bout we just add :Category:Coiners as a subcat of :Category:Currency designers or :Category:Currency production?  Joe  I 02:56, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if there's actually a difference (that we care to maintain), that would be a fine solution. To me, coiner is someone who physically makes coins. Is that right? This person may or may not be a designer (probably usually was, but maybe not always). Did Boehm and Gray actually make coins? Since I don't know the answers, and I doubt too many people really care about the distinction, it seems easier to me to merge into Currency designers. But I also don't really care if you or anyone else feels strongly about it. Ingrid 00:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Coiners]] 

message: I'd like to make these template. But before I do that, I'd like to get opinions from all of you.
* Standard currency external links
:What Dove1950 and I discuss at User talk:Dove1950#help required. Basically, points to banknote world, world coin gallery, dollarization, and global financial data, all optional. Also mirror url for banknote world and dollarization.
* Standard Catalog of [World Paper Money|Coin] [xyz] edition.
* Current exchange rate from any currency to another by XE
* Historical exchange rate from any to another with a range by Oanda.
(Note to self: update Canadian dollar if this plan works out). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing done:  --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More utility templates 

message: Hi guys, just joined on to the project..
I've been working a bit on articles on the maple leaf bullion coins. Canadian Gold Maple Leaf currently contains a bunch of information on the silver, platinum and palladium versions of the coin, and I'd like to move most of that to Canadian Maple Leaf(currently almost empty) or the individual articles. I've created a stub on the Canadian Platinum Maple Leaf, and plan to start one on the Canadian Palladium Maple Leaf as well.
Couple of things though.. when I made the platinum stub, I followed the naming format used in the gold and silver articles: Canadian **** Maple Leaf. American Gold Eagle and the silver and platinum versions use this convention too, but these may be the official names. The canadian mint seems to just call them "Gold Maple Leaf" coins though, with no "Canadian" in front.
Also, is Maple Leaf (coin) a better place than Canadian Maple Leaf to put the general article? Maple Leaf (coin) once had an article but was merged with Canadian Gold Maple Leaf in 2005 and now just redirects to that article.
One more thing, the Canadian Platinum Maple Leaf article could use some images of the coin.--Eloil 23:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the best would be to stick with Canadian Maple Leaf (coin), Canadian Whatever Maple Leaf (coin).  The coin should stay to distinguish between a real maple leaf. Joe  I 01:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maple Leaf bullion coins 

message: I was going to make a simple change, so didn't bother to mention it here (change :Category:Currencies of Asia and the Pacific to :Category:Currencies of Asia, since that's what it is now). And I started noticing a lot of inconsistencies and potential issues. I started making changes, and realized I should check in first. So, here are my questions/thoughts:
* I think categories that contain main namespace articles should not contain templates -- they can transclude the templates, but the template should not be listed in the article list. I started putting the category addition into "includeonly" blocks, but then realized that it was done this way consistently. I don't think it should be, but maybe others do.
::Yeah, template shouldn't be in main namespace, and transcluding into the cat would be good.
:::There is a problem with that. Let's take  and :Category:Crown for examples. :Category:Crown transcludes , which will put :Category:Crown under :Category:Crown. Now that :Category:Crown is a parent of itself and a child of itself. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't cause a problem for wikipedia. It's a little weird, but I don't think it's a big problem. Of course, transcluding the template puts the info in the category twice (each article is listed on the template and again in the category listing), but then we organize the articles differently in the template. I vote to put the template in there, and let the category be its own parent. Ingrid 20:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree  Joe  I 01:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I like transcluding and a short explanation.  Joe  I 01:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: But neither :Category:Currencies by time nor :Category:Currencies by region should be totally official.  Whatever ya'll think is best.  Joe  I 01:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:Currency denominations sounds good.  Joe  I 01:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Joe. And  needs to be peer reviewed and deployed. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 05:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  categories 

message: The Australian coins article names are in the form of Australian 1 dollar coin. Except for Florin (Australian coin) should it be changed? IAmTheCoinMan 11:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not. Australian 1 florin coin or Australian florin coin? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I was thinking more along the lines of changing the rest of the Australian articles to match the general format on the rest of Wikipedia: Denomination (Nationality coin). Perhaps we ought to come up with a standard format for article titles?--chris.lawson 18:31, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My motto is "fix a class of a problem, not an instance of a problem". You do bring up a good point, Clawson. I have tried to bring editors' attention to the problem, site wide, at Talk:Australian 10 cent coin. But nobody has answered that. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also raised the problem in jan, its still on this page [here] But Clawson it should be noted that in january the coins were in the form Denomination (Nationality coin) or Denomination coin (nationality). which means someone changed them allIAmTheCoinMan 17:52, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aust. article name 

message: I think this article is about a conceptual idea. It's sort of a currency, but definitely exonumia. I think it should be in some subcategory of :Category:Currency. International dollar is directly in currency. It's not exactly the same thing, but I think closer than anything else. I'm confused. Ingrid 04:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe most of the unclassified articles belong to a "pseudo currency" class like freigeld or international dollar, and another class of economic and financial term/concept like floating currency, outside money, and hard money (policy). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:38, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  category for [[freigeld]] 

message: This page is terrible. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chinese coins]] 

message: I'm not sure I really want to get into this again, but I guess I have already. Here's my current thoughts about what to do with :Category:Currency:
#:Category:Currency
##:Category:Official currencies (contains only numis) -- replaces :Category:Currencies by time, perhaps it should be :Category:Official currencies by time?
###:Category:Ancient currencies
###:Category:Medieval currencies
###:Category:Modern obsolete currencies
###:Category:Circulating currencies
##:Category:Alternative currencies (contains only exon)
###:Category:Community currencies
###:Category:Electronic currencies
###:Category:Complementary currencies new cat for e.g., Scrip, Civil War token, perhaps :Category:Postal Orders? etc.
###:Category:Fictional currencies (does this belong here? I hope so)
###:Category:Private currencies
##:Category:Currency denominations (contains numis & exon) -- new cat
###:Category:Dollar
###:Category:Crown
### etc. these are moving from :Category:Currency
##:Category:Currencies by region (contains numis & exon)
## other categories that are already there
Any thoughts? Ingrid 20:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 18:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just going to get to work on this, since no one has objected. I would like to make the denomination templates (like ) which uses "defunct" and the category name which uses "obsolete" consistent. I prefer obsolete, but not strongly enough to matter. Anyone else have an opinion? Ingrid 14:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't really notice it before, but the template uses "current" and the categories use "circulating". I don't think "current" would work as well for the category, but "circulating" seems fine to me for the template. Anyone object to me changing it? Ingrid 14:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  category structure proposal