Talk:Finlandization

message: Hello everyone. I have found the following page which states the following:
:Le terme de « finlandisation » a été inventé en 1953 par Karl Gruber (ministre autrichien des Affaires étrangères). Il a été repris par l'Allemand Franz Joseph Strauss pour dénoncer les dangers de l'Ostpolitik allemande, et désignant les limitations imposées par un État puissant à l'autonomie d'un voisin plus faible. Processus par lequel, sous le couvert de maintenir des relations amicales avec l'URSS, un pays voit sa souveraineté diminuer. La Finlande s'est insurgée contre ce terme.
or in English translation
:"Finlandisation" as term was invented in 1953 by Karl Gruber, the Austrian minister of Foreign Affairs. Franz Joseph Strauss used the term to denounce the dangers of the German Ostpolitik as a reference to the limitations imposed by a powerful state upon the autonomy of a weaker neighbour. Through this process the sovereignty of a country is reduced under the guise of friendly relations with the USSR. Finland rebelled against [the usage of]] this term.
As far as I can tell, there is no mention of this in the article. Therefore, I would like to request your comment on the above to see if this can be introduced into the article. RedZebra 13:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of the term 

message: Here is a recently declassified CIA document from 1972, titled "Finlandization" In Action: Helsinki's Experience With Moscow:
http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/ESAU/esau-55.pdf
I'm not an expert of this subject but maybe material from this source should be included into the article? jni 12:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a stub on the author Carolyn Ekedahl, who still worked for the CIA in 2004. There really isn't much info available on-line. There is however much more information on Melvin Goodman, who seems to be her husband. -- Petri Krohn 03:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential source for this article 

message: :But foreign policy scholars such as Eric Nordlinger in his book "Isolationism Reconfigured" have argued that 'the fear of the possible "Finlandization" of Europe was always counterfactual. A vision of Finlandization in America's absence runs up squarely against the European states' long-standing Communist antipathies and wariness of Moscow's peaceful wiles, valued national traditions and strong democratic institutions, as well as their size and wherewithal.'
Does Nordlinger explain in his book how Finland with "long-standing Communist antipathies and wariness of Moscow's peaceful wiles, valued national traditions and strong democratic institutions" would be subject to Findlandization? 
Also, part of that section seems lifted from http://www.independent.org/publications/tir/article.asp?issueID=37&articleID=489 except that "the fear of the possible "Finlandization" of Europe was always counterfactual" are the words of the reviewer and not Nordlinger's words.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Notheotherhorizon (talk • contribs) 19:07, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  anyone read Nordlinger? 

message: What kind of stupid word isnt that as it sounds like an over the top patriotic word like Finland for Finns. Stupid Germans couldnt even use the correct word which in my opinion had been Russifization. Cold war politics again?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.102.43.193 (talk) 12:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Myrkkyhammas (talk) 15:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: And the Finlanders who natively speak Swedish of course have no say, right? BP OMowe (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finlandifization?? 

message: I am removing the sourced section on banned books. While it is true that books were "banned" this has nothing top do with Finlandization. The 1944–1946 ban was mandated by the Moscow Armistice and the Allied Control Commission. (See :fi:Kielletyt kirjat.) The claim about censorship is also questionable. The books mainly contained war propaganda and racist hate speech. Under modern Finnish or European legislation they would be banned as incitement to ethnic or racial hatred. The fact that they are again widely available is only because old hate speech tends to lose its incisiveness. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, those books would not be otherwise banned. Some of books were (self-)banned for political reasons, such as Kollaa kestää and Neuvostovakoilun varjossa. However, I think this section should be expand to give better view for a reader. Peltimikko (talk) 06:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For related denazification see the section on Allied Denazification in Nazi book burnings. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 10:32, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

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message: Shouldn't the article address the fact that Finland remains very submissive to Russia even after the breakup of the Soviet Union? — Red XIV (talk) 08:32, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not anymore; Finland, and Sweden, have decided to outright join NATO after Russian invasion of Ukraine. 2603:8000:B600:4000:F9E7:890D:442:9700 (talk) 01:42, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-Soviet Finlandization