Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 1

message: Why are all these templates called "subst:"?  What does that mean?  Why not something in English, like "UserTalk:"? --Samuel Wantman 19:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "subst" is a piece of wikimarkup that copies and pastes the wikitext into the page. It reduces server load, and prevents vandalism. Alphax τεχ 09:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subst:? 

message: We should have a message to put on the talk pages of users who add blatantly POV content to articles. I'm not talking about simple vandals who just need to be told to behave, but more for the user who make this edit , who needs to steered more specifically in the direction of NPOV policy. Nohat 10:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your enthusiasm for  is appreciated, but we have a strict nonbias policy at Wikipedia called Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View or NPOV. This policy requires that all articles take no strong opinions about their contents, but merely describe everyone's beliefs in a neutral way.
The wording needs a little help. Maybe someone who isn't up way past his bedtime can take a crack at it. Nohat 10:49, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your enthusiasm for  is appreciated, but we have a strict nonbias policy at Wikipedia called the Neutral Point of View or NPOV. This policy requires that all articles be written from a neutral point of view: without bias, representing all views fairly. Please see the NPOV tutorial for a gentle introduction to this very important policy. 
Comments or suggestions anyone? Nohat 19:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV message 

message: How about adding Template:Cv to this page? It's similar to test1, test2, etc.. except for dealing with users that post copyrighted material. TheCoffee 12:05, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Cv]] 

message: I added test2b to the list, but I can't get the pipe symbol and word "Article" (|Article) to appear in the "what to type column.  What am I doing wrong?  I would appreciate input.  Thanks.  Psy guy (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've corrected it. Func( t, c, @, ) 03:34, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  test2b 

message: Any chance we could develop a "cite your sources" template, or series thereof?  It would prove very useful when dealing with editors of our more controversial topics.
Off the top of my head, it could go something like this:
:Please remember to cite your sources when editing Wikipedia articles.  Information without proper sources may be removed, in accordance with our policy on verifiability.
Alternately, we could make this more of a WP:NOR reminder:
:Please remember that Wikipedia is not the place for original research.  If you have a reliable, verifiable source for the information you added to , then please cite it.
I'm open to suggestions. - jredmond 22:37, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Please cite sources" message template 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I've added in a couple of extra templates with specific wording for dealing with specific problems such as obscene edits, people jumping between IPs to vandalise (to ensure other users aren't puzzled as to why an apparent "new" user has received a final warning. The wording makes clear that while it is the first vandalism using that IP there latest vandalism is just part of a series of numerous IPs), deliberate breaking of Manual of Style rules or specifically the adding in the royal styles (one of the more annoying bits of repeat vandalism lately). All these tend to crop up and rather than have to type new messages every time to each user there is now a clear list to dip into. So once the template command is added a standard message comes up. 
One problem, though. Some templates block on number 4. Most use number 4 as the final warning. We should arrange them all to follow the same order. It should be 
* 1 = polite request to experiment using the sandbox.  
* 2 = advice not to make such edits as they are considered vandalism. 
* 3 = stronger warning to stop.
* 4 = last warning with message "you will not receive another warning before being blocked"
* 5 = You have been blocked message. You can come back but could be blocked if you continue such edits after you return. 
* 6 = You have been blocked with blunt message that as you have a history of abusing Wikipedia after returning in the past, if you return again and vandalise a much longer ban may return and Wikipedia may report your activities to your server or educational establishment. (Rarely to be used, but has worked in extreme cases to put frighteners on kids to have been vandalising for months. The last thing they want is their school to be told what they have been up to. Some perpetual vandals have I believe had complaints made about them. 
We should also use two graphic images. 
For Number 3: The stop sign, to make it quite clear visually that the time has come to stop those sort of edits. The sign would stand out on a user's page to ensure that they cannot miss the message. (Users have said they missed out the importance of the message when it was just text alone. This way it won't be just text. They will see it as well as read it.) 
For Number 4: The handraised stop sign (already been used successfully on many number 4s), used again for visual impact to mean stop now. Again the message cannot be mistaken. 
For Number 5/6: The handraised stop sign, again making sure people get the message that they have been blocked and for what reason. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: no title

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I am planning to introduce a shortcut (WP:TT) to this template. Your objections are welcome until color red turns into blue... ←Humus sapiens←ну? 21:36, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortcut 

message: I vastly simplified the code used on the page by creating Template:tlsp (Template Link Subst with Parameters) based on the rest of the tl series. I also organised the templates alphanumerically under a few headers depending on intent ('Warnings', 'Messages', 'Page boilerplates', 'Shortcuts'), removed the NOTOC special tag, added an explanatory introduction and brief note on template substitution with link, and categorised the page into :Category:User warning templates with sort key "Help". All in all, the changes were pretty drastic, so feel free to notify me of any suggestions or criticisms.
There are several templates missing from this page that have been categorised, so I'll eventually be adding those in. This was done for the WikiProject on User Warnings, if you're interested in participating. // Pathoschild 00:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Overhaul

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
Should I remove depreceated templates from the page, such as ? Sycthos 23:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  This template is an alternate to , which is different because it doesn't have an image to consume server resources and bandwidth.  I think it's fine in the "other" category.  JYolkowski // talk 02:43, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Template deleted. If anyone still has any disputes, please post here. Sycthos 01:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depreceated Templates 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
It might be worth noting Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings here. Dan100 (Talk) 11:08, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Permanently banned? That's a bit too strict in my opinion.... Also, I believe these templates are still in its developmental stage, and is not yet suitable for official use. Sycthos 00:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:Wikiproject user warnings 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I have noticed that the templates from top to bottom are arranged in no particular order, except the most common ones, Testing and Testing with Page, are on the topmost portion of the chart and Other is losted on the bottommost portion of the chart. Is there any way to organize the rows of this chart? Sycthos 01:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's actually not a bad idea.... There could be two headings, General and Specific, which will allow the user of this table to easily find the template needed. Sycthos 01:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Templates 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I have created a small banner that links to Template:TestTemplates, just in case some people find it hard to fit on any page. Sycthos 23:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:TestTemplatesNotice]] 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
Some editors jump in on their first edit to change articles or create articles to defame various minority groups. There is no "defamation" template.  I suggest something like:
:Please stop. If you continue to alter pages by deliberately introducing a point of view that contains defamatory or otherwise disrespectful attacks on individuals due to their belonging to ethnic or other such groups, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. One of the prime requirements of Wikipedia articles is that they should represent a neutral point of view.
P0M 19:31, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  defamation warning needed 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
Template talk:TestTemplates — Template:TestTemplates → Wikipedia:TestTemplates – It's to big for a template, it's not a template per se. →AzaToth 14:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC
===Voting===
:Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*I oppose this proposed move. This is being used as a template -- that is it is being transcluded on multiple pages. Consider other tempaltes such as  and  (which used to be much larger). DES (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add any additional comments
*How will this affect my ability to use this as a template on my user page? JHMM13 (T | C)   06:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~~~~
*I oppose this proposed move. This is being used as a template -- that is it is being transcluded on multiple pages. Consider other tempaltes such as  and  (which used to be much larger). DES (talk) 16:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting

message: :Add any additional comments
*How will this affect my ability to use this as a template on my user page? JHMM13 (T | C)   06:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Hi, is there a reason why there are two |'s in the code for some of these templates? for example . It should be written like this: . One not familar with the templates won't know to take one of these characters out. I would change it, but many of the templates are like this, so there might be a reason.--Adam (talk) 20:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what happened to me. My first time trying to use an anti-vandalism template, and I couldn't figure out why the feature to insert the Article name wasn't working. It wasn't until I saw the "correct" code at Wikipedia:Vandalism#Warning_templates that I realized the double || is wrong. Why is it there? Anybody? dfg 17:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Code

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
Is there any limitation on who can use these, and which ones they can use?
I'm under harrassment and personal attack by a wikistalker who has issued two false warnings on my User Talk page. I am concerned that this person, a Wiki user for less than two months, has the ability to Ban or Block me. Are there no safeguards against abuse of these warnings? Or can anybody use them to harrass anybody? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidkevin (talk • contribs) 07:29, January 28, 2006 (UTC)
: Anyone may use the templates if they feel there is vandalism going on, but only administrators can block people, and if you think you've been warned inappropriately, they should check the situation.  A list of administrators is available here; you can search for a name in the box near the top.  Looking at your talk page, it looks like User:Srleffler has already answered this question. --AySz88^-^ 17:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who Can Use These? 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I feel there should be a separate 'final warning' template for returning vandals, since  can seem inappropriate. I understand that returning vandals can sometimes be blocked without leaving a warning, but it's a bit unclear; WP:AIV, for example, says that a  or  template must have been left within the past 24 hours. Perhaps this variant or something like it could be turned into another template? Plus it makes clear that longer blocks than 24 hours can be issued, where currently only  says that (which is applied at blocking). --Malthusian (talk) 19:40, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong with ?-- Avi 20:09, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... it still ignores the possibility the user has been blocked already, but I guess in that case we don't need another. --Malthusian (talk) 23:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final warning for returning vandals

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
Cesar has brought up the point that using this template on a newbies page can lead to confusion. On the other hand, it allows us to combine all the named page/not named page warnings into one. Any opinions? :) -- Avi 20:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain a little better? When would you use this on a newbie page? JHMM13 (T | C)   21:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using {{tl|qif}} in warning templates 

message: * Hello. This page was semi-automatically modified to sort links to my user page in a meaningful way. Sorry, no other new message. :) // Pathoschild (admin / talk) 04:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-automated link sorting 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I think this is a rather neat template, but should it be added to this one? It pushes the main content down the page, making it look a bit messy (to me at least). I think this should be on a separate page, as an alternative format for viewing the test templates. What do others think? Petros471 22:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder why this template is stuck onto the top of TestTemplates. I do think it is a neat template, but does it need to be hidden onto this one? I'm strongly suggesting its removal from the template as template advertising, if there is such a thing. JHMM13 (T | C)   22:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support adding a line below "See Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace for an expanded page." that reads something along the lines of "For an alternative page that presents the templates by category in an expanding format...", and removing the template from here. That way it advertises it's presence for people who prefer the expanding view, without imposing its presence of the grid view. (btw, I don't think my proposed wording is very good, but if we agree on the principle someone else can write the exact phrase!) Petros471 23:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good. I don't have a problem with the link being in "See also," but as it is, it's kind of odd. I'm going to remove it for now from the top of the page since there doesn't seem to be a good reason for it to be there. JHMM13 (T | C)   04:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|testTemplatesList}} 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
I think that  is too assuming good faith.  Once in a while I come across editors with history of vandalism that blank a page, but are not quite deserving of .  I propose we rename it to  and list it under the "Good faith" or "Use sandbox" columns.  I think that Blank2 needs to be more equivalent to , with a message such as:
:Please do not replace Wikipedia pages with blank content.  It is considered vandalism.  Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. ~~~~
What do you think of the idea? any suggestions on wording? --Aude (talk | contribs) 18:50, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Put renamed blank2 (i.e. what will be blank/blank1) under use sandbox to be in line with test1, and change blank2 to your proposed wording. The only thing is that I'm not sure the signature should be included in the template (it's not a bad idea to include the sig in the template, to save those few extra characters of typing but the others don't so this one shouldn't- or else we'll probably end up signing twice...). Petros471 19:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the signature should be in the template, as I sometimes add a personalised message after the warning and before my sig. MartinRe 13:11, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh, I'd say leave out the tildes. JHMM13 (T | C)   16:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  The tildes were merely a cut and paste error. I'll make the change now.  --Aude (talk | contribs) 16:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blank templates 

message: Why are test templates called thus?  (Possibly a stupid question, but I don't see where the testing comes in when I tell a vandal to butt out).  Thanks for abiding, Maikel 15:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's historical, coming from the Wikipedia philosophy of assuming good faith whenever possible, especially for initial warnings of edits that don't appear to be constructive. Obviously, by the time we get to  and above, it's pretty clear that edits are not simply tests inappropriately done to live articles and user pages, but the numbering system makes it easier to progress in an orderly fashion to the point where an admin feels a block is merited. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Test"? 

message: :this discussion was originally posted on Template talk:TestTemplates.  merged here
On March 15, 2006, the User:Terminatorius bot created by User:Audriusa blanked warnings from several user talk pages, specifically IP talk pages with a vandal warning template where no edit had been made within the last 48 hours. The bot was later stopped and the changes were reverted by the bot owner. Do you think this type of bot is a good idea? Please see discussion at WP:BRFA#User:Terminatorius - automated blanking of the vandal anonymous IP talk pages Wuzzy 00:58, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Terminatorius bot blanks warnings

message: With the creation of the  template for cases between AfD and speedy deletion, is there a need for additional templates to deal with people who remove prod templates? There's two opinions to be had on this, since I've seen more than a couple of cases of vandalism where the template is removed without cause, though on the other hand, removal of the template is supposed to lead to an automatic move over to AfD (in theory). --DMG413 15:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say no. Even an unwarranted removal of the  tag is supposed to lead to AfD. Prod is for uncontested deletions only - if the creator's around we should use an AfD to get their input. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of prod

message: I think this should mention Wikipedia:No personal attacks also. Does anyone object if I modify it accordingly? JoshuaZ 06:55, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I have no objections for this. --Siva1979Talk to me 09:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change to "Edit summary personal" template 

message: Template:Wikitheft has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. JoshuaZ 00:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:Wikitheft