Talk:Black Cat (Marvel Comics)

message: I've removed the categorization of :Category:LGBT comic book characters. I'm not sure which of the incarnations of the Black Cat is supposed to be LGBT, and it's not clearly stated, or cited, in the article. Feel free to add this back if and when such is provided. Thanks MosheZadka 04:56, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, in the mainstream continuity of The Evil that Men Do #1, she stated, "It's been so long since I've had a boyfriend … or a girlfriend". --DrBat 23:05, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "There has been no implication that Felicity has a problem with the lesbian aspect, but instead it appears that she blames her mother for the divorce."  This is the only mention of her being lesbian or bisexual in the entire page at the moment.  Someone please fix this.  (Also, it should be bisexual, not lesbian.) Ken Arromdee 15:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT comic book characters 

message: Announced on Jim Butcher's website:
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The book is apparently due July 2006.
HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 15:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book by [[Jim Butcher]] 

message: It's occured to me her attitude has always left open the implication Felicia's not above experimenting.
What I'd like removed is other character's names from "Affiliations." That should be for team associations, not personal associations. If we were to list every character she interacted with... it's absurd. The same goes for previous affiliations. I think it's misleading.
When did Black Cat associate with Nightcrawler? I think whomever added that is confused by the cover of Evil Men Do #5 (which has the two together.) However, it should be noted the two never even meet during the story. I sincerely hope that's not where that information came from. I'm just going to take that out.
--CovertSomnophore 23:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Note

message: There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Wolfman created Felicia Hardy/Black Cat as an homage to Catwoman.  Wolfman wanted to create a character based on the Tex Avery cartoon character "Bad Luck Blackie" and made the Black Cat female solely due to the fact that she would be a foil for Spider-woman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.132.109.188 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 11 April 2007
:You are correct. However, we should mention the fact that Catwoman had similar aspects of Black Cat in previous media. It would explain why people even thought Black Cat was an homage to begin with. However, some people here seem to deny even this, which is disingenuous.--Mike Castle (talk) 13:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catwoman 

message: What about the 1946 Harvey Comics series Black Cat? Here's the Black Cat page at  comics.org. 4.232.105.126 07:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Cat (Harvey Comics) 

message: On the O.C when Seth shows Summer little Miss Vixen she is positioned exactly like Black Cat is in the current picture and she looks almost exactly like her... Isn't that enough for a mention, even if it is extremely obscure  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkAvenger280 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The O.C 

message: The Black Cat is often mistaken as an homage to DC’s Catwoman, as her forename, Felicia, was shared by Catwoman's sister in Brave and the Bold#176. 
The Earth-1 Catwoman did indeed have a sister called Felicia.
http://members.tripod.com/braveandboldreview/swampthing.htm#176
Enda80Enda80  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Catwoman's sister Felcia

message: "Notably" few?  What, is Spider-Man unique among super heroes for having only a few costumed love interests?
I don't propose that this be changed though -- unintentionally funny phrasings are one of Wikipedia's greatest strengths, imo.  76.84.186.70 (talk) 07:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "notably few costumed love interests"?

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message: Aside from the cat theme, there is nothing connecting the Black Cat to Catwoman.  Almost every single female foil in comics has made sexual overtures to the story protagonist.
Selina Kyle's sister "Felicia" did not appear in the DC universe until The Brave and The Bold #176 - which was released in 1981.  This was years after Black Cat first appeared.
And while Julie Newmar did wear a black outfit as Catwoman in the Batman television show, she was not remotely a cat burglar - she used henchman to rob museums and banks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.165.60 (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Look, we can go around in circles debating this. However, some people here seem to have an agenda or bias. Yes, Black Cat's depiction came first. But Catwoman was protrayed with similar aspects long before Frank Miller's Batman reboot.
FACT: Catwoman was a cat burglar in her early appearances by the literal definition. Look up Merriam-Webster's entry for "cat burglar" and read her first three comic book appearances.
FACT: Catwoman wore a black catsuit in the 1966 Batman television series, but was not a cat burglar.
FACT: In both her early comic book appearances and the television series, she was a love interest for Batman, granted unrequited.
Again, this doesn't change the fact that Black Cat combined all these things first and took it further. But it should be mentioned that Catwoman did have aspects of Black Cat in previous media.--Mike Castle (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: But it's debatable whether these "facts" are more appropriate in the Catwoman entry as they have more to do with Catwoman than with Black Cat herself.  As it stands, stating Black Cat is not an homage and her incarnation came first is more than enough.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.165.183.14 (talk) 19:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it isn't. The statement that "her incarnation came first" comes off slightly disingenuous unless it is briefly explained why and with cited references, which is what has been done. The very small amount of information given about Catwoman is relevent to the paragraph (which is small) and is meant to both show why and explain the misconception without speculation.--Mike Castle (talk) 00:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Cat vs Catwoman 

message: Catwoman first appeared as THE CAT in Batman #1.  She was not a catburglar just a confused woman WITH NO MASK and a purple dress who fancied Batman.  In the following issues she was shown to be a woman with amnesia.  The article does not say Black Cat copied Catwoman or Catwoman copied Black Cat.  It simply says that the misconception is silly based on the timeline of creations.
:According to Merriam-Webster:
:A cat burglar is A burglar who is adept at entering and leaving the burglarized place without attracting attention. That is exactly what Catwoman or "the Cat" was in her very early appearances. I'm sorry, but this is a fact. It doesn't change the fact that Black Cat's famous depiction (which is very similar to Catwoman's final modern depiction) came first.--Mike Castle (talk) 13:13, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''THE CAT'' 

message: The article is confusing. It is clear that Marv Wolfman conceived the idea of the Black Cat, and it is stated that Dave Cockrum designed "the costume and appearance". So what was Keith Pollard's involvement, and does it really merit inclusion here? MultipleTom (talk) 18:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creators 

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message: She has the bad luck powers again in ASM 606. No explanation is given, though I assume it's more Brand New Day we don't need to explain things anymore nonsense. The article should be updated to include this, as it currently lists the bad luck power as a former power.24.190.34.219 (talk) 13:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  As of the latest ASM, she has the bad luck powers again 

message: Deleted the poorly spelt and rumour laden 'Film' section, as it listed no sources. Perhaps best left alone until there some concrete sources emerge online?
Malenkym (talk) 22:04, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely.  I've removed these countless times.  Until we have a source of confirmed casting, there shouldn't be anything about Spidey 4 in this article.  Planewalker Dave (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And right now the page is semi-protected for 3 days. Hopefully the annons will pop in here at the talk page to explain where they're getting the information. - J Greb (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film rumours 

message: I don't think so. Yes it was referenced once in the Evil that Men Do issue #1. "I haven't had a boyfriend in a long time, or a girlfriend for that matter." But isn't "girlfriend" a slang term modern women use to refer to there friends? It doesn't have to be something sexual or Hell even something platonic like in Brokeback Mountain. Since it is open to interpretation I thought I should post my opions on the matter here and see what ya'll think. Hollister4Mayor (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is she really bisexual? 

message: Editors making revisions based on fandom and not facts.  Black Cat, a woman wearing a low cut, black body suit who used cables to climb buildings and steal (cat burglaries) first appeared on July, 1979 and immediately started a mutual romantic relationship (dating) with Spider-man.  Up to that 1979 date, Catwoman had appeared in comics wearing purple dress, committed bank robberies, had a CatCar and pet lions.  Editor continues to suggest Black Cat was based on Catwoman (calling creator,Wolfman, a liar?) when Catwoman did not adopt a similar attire until 1987 (Frank Miller Year One).  Simply compare how Black Cat and Catwoman were seen in comics in 1979 and how they are represented now.  Please comment
*Comment While the comparison is natural, possibly charged with energy overflowing from the DC vs Marvel fight, I think its completely inappropriate to comment in this article on any connection between the two characters without substantial evidence. And as was mentioned in the original RFC, the characters show little to no resemblance outside of sharing the profession of being cat burglars. Black Cat first appearance here http://s112.photobucket.com/user/wilblas/media/009-12.jpg.html vs Catwoman first appearance here: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/9f/2d/04/9f2d04fdf3be323af33a9e6ac53053e4.jpg It seems to me that the argument is baseless as it would also assume that all cat burglar themed characters post Catwoman would then be considered rip-off characters. Side note: I do find it kind of interesting that the cover of Detective Comics 122 calls Catwoman's crime spree "The Black Cat Crimes!" Pistongrinder (talk) 17:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: Black Cat vs. Catwoman misrepresentation

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message: There's note that there's a source wanted for MJ and Black Cat having made amends and even becoming friends. While it's unlikely to be the first issue to see them portrayed as such, a clear example is seen in _Mary Jane & Black Cat - Beyond_ #1 (2022). SQB (talk) 12:38, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  MJ and Black Cat being friends — source wanted 

message: she acts? 216.10.216.191 (talk) 21:43, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  who is black cat?