Talk:Gothic architecture

message: The section on the influence of Islamic architecture on the Gothic style needs more evidence.    The pointed arch is just one feature of Gothic, and is found in other styles, including Islamic architecture.  The rib vault is an essential feature, along with flying buttresses, which made the height and great windows of Gothic cathedrals possible.  The current citations for this section aren't sufficient.  The section needs to give examples, with illustrations, of the use of rib vaults in Islamic architecture that predate Gothic cathedrals.   Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:31, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The claims only relate to those features, & the arch is undeniable & well-referenced (not, nb, necessarily that IA was the first to use it, but the immediate source for Gothic). We don't actually absolutely need "examples, with illustrations" - we just need WP:RS. Johnbod (talk) 19:12, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no particular dispute about pointed arches, they existed in other cultures and regions before the Gothic cathedral.  The question is about the rib vault, which, along with the buttress,,  is the feature that made Gothic cathedrals possible.   Are there any examples of the use of rib vaults in Islamic architecture which predate Durham Cathedral and the Basilica of Saint-Denis?   If there are, they should be included, with illustrations.  Without specific examples and illustrations,  I don't see how the article can credibly claim that the Gothic style was directly influenced by Islamic architecture.  Cordially, SiefkinDR (talk) 18:42, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's very helpful.  Cordoba Cathedral seems to be the most prominent example.  The difference between the Gothic and the Islamic rib vaults, if I understand correctly, is that the vaults of the dome of Cordoba Mosque carried the weight directly downward onto  the walls, while the Gothic rib vaults carried the weight outwards to rows of columns, and a little later to buttresses outside the walls, which allowed the greater height and very large windows of Gothic churches. 09:57, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

text: Christopher Wren when he mentioned his distaste for gothic and the influence of the Muslims was talking primarily about the decorative elements such as tracery, compound arches, multilobed arches and so forth, as seen in the Cordoba Mosque.  And much of those design elements are owed to the evolution of math during the Islamic Golden age which led to the designs based on intersecting circles, squares, triangles other geometric figures to produce complex shapes.   The reason for the preoccupation with such forms in Islamic art was due to its iconoclasm, as in not depicting the human form in their art.   He was not talking about the basic design of European churches which got their basic form from Roman basilica and the evolution thereof under the Byzantines in places like Syria and Armenia.   And a lot of that merging of styles between Christian and Muslim came from Spain such as again Mosque–Cathedral of Córdoba or Castles like Aljafería.   Big-dynamo (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor is yours, Siefkin, nor that of your French sources. You have had a pretty good run with the article, with 1106 edits since 2018. I would give Amanda some time to  complete her edits, as you have been given (does your post here actually belong in this section, or is it more general?) Johnbod (talk) 17:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: SiefkinDR (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course I was! I named you. Please don't be silly. Johnbod (talk) 19:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

text:  Please go to the bottom of the page to continue. Amandajm (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
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