Talk:Slipknot (band)/Archive 1

message: Some people think the band is heavy metal.  Other think it is nu metal. Because of this, both genres need to be represented and the reasons need to be brought forth.  I have been trying to maintain this, but fans of the band continue to change this.  If you blindly delete the words "nu metal" from this page, you are being biased.  Wikipedia is meant to be a neutral source of information, and all classifications of the band should be given. Defacto
I think the better temporary definition for the band is "metal band" because heavy metal or nu metal, they are two genres of metal. Yes, the nu metal isn't considered part of metal in many ways, but this is a debate good for the nu metal article, not for a band article.
Olpus
The quality of this article seems to have diminished, just looking through the edits since an edit I did a few days ago, seems there's a NPOV issue here. Possible to 'start over' an article here? Heck- I don't even know where to start, reverting anything will just result in some fanboy reverting back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.244.150.52 (talk • contribs) 
:Next time please sign your writings here, and try to argument. Olpus
"Critics argue that the lyrical themes and instrumental styles of Slipknot (most notably the rarity of guitar solos, the use of turntables and sampling, and rap-style vocals are definitely similar to those of typical nu-metal bands. On the contrary, supporters of Slipknot note that the majority of their music does not have a rap-based lyrical structure." -This wording implies that nu-metal is a bad thing to be, rather than simply a genre. In my opinion, that's not NPOV at all. I, for one, am a fan of nu-metal, and when I use the term I don't use it to be derogatory. So I changed this section to be more NPOV, while keeping the arguments in-tact. --Josh, 12:34 AM EST, September 14 2005
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:I also took out the sentence "The structure of the songs tend to be simplistic." It was stuck into the paragraph, seemingly at random, and really threw off the flow of the article. Also, most fans of Slipknot who are familiar with all of the ticks and subtle changes within the songs probably wouldn't consider them simplistic. Plus, the sentence was gramatically incorrect. (should have used "tends" instead of "tend," as the word is referring to the singular "structure," not the plural "songs") --Josh, 12:34 AM EST, September 14 2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.122.237.6 (talk • contribs) 
I've replaced the definition of the band of mallcore from the opening paragraph with heavy metal. Mallcore is a derogatory term which is not NPOV. It also does not help to classify the band musically, like hair metal or somesuch.
Like it or not, heavy metal is the broadest term the band can be categorised as. Trench 21:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Splipknot is a nu metal band and that's it. Revert if the genre is changed to mallcore, but otherwise, there is no justification for changing the genre. --Sn0wflake 02:28, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got no problem at all with them being listed as a nu metal band, I think that is the genre that most of their material sits in. The only problem with this is that I think it's going to be frequently edited by people who either consider nu metal a derogatory term like mallcore, or think they're better described as some random assorted of metal sub genres. It'll be interesting to see how long it is before some edits it again. Trench 20:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what can I say other than "Welcome to the Wikipedia"? That happens quite often around here, and what we do is simply reverting the genre to the most agreed-upon or logical one. You see, some other day I heard somebody saying that Slipknot were "the kings of death metal", and quite a number of people agreed with the person, so I don't really take the genres posers decide to label bands they listen to seriously, nor I think anybody should. Wait until metal is not the latest hype anymore and this shit will die down. Until then... --Sn0wflake 01:32, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Please keep the classification of the band NEUTRAL

message: Is there a reason they're numbered 0-8? If this is a system the band uses that's fine; otherwise it should be changed to 1-9 unless you're a programmer storing the members of Slipknot in an array. magicOgre 22:07, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's just a gimmick thing if you like, Mick Thomson is often referred to as Mr Seven on stage (and has a tattoo of "Seven" on his arm)... among other things. Best pieces of hard evidence would be the numbers on the outfits, and the CD sleeves. 10:47, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbering of band members

message: Why aren't the chart positions consistent with those on the Vol. 3 (The Subliminal Verses) page? They can't both be right. 08:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single Chart Positions 

message: I wasn't stepping in when the genre was being repeatedly edited back and forth between heavy metal and nu-metal. But no matter which you think is better, the alternative metal label makes sense. They obviously don't sound like basic, Sabbath-esque metal, so they are, in fact, an alternative form. Also, for those of you who think it's nu-metal: nu-metal IS alternative metal. Too make an analogy, We'll say nu-metal is Japanese and alternative metal is Asian: All Japanese people are Asian, but not all Asians are Japanese. Since all nu-metal is alternative metal, labeling the band as alternative metal satisfies everyone. I mean, with this much dispute, along with the article itself stating that the band can not be conclusively labeled as nu-metal, calling it that in the introduction would be incredibly biased towards your point of view. So, for the love of God, leave it alone. -User:Not a slave, October 26, 2005, 3:47 AM EST
This is just a petty argument over someone else's opinions. Just let people think what they want about their genre and leave it alone. You can't change someone's opinions, especially when it's over something as insignficant as a band's genre. TearAwayTheFunerealDress 14:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alright, seriously. 

message: Looking at the content of the above, it's word for word out of this current page. There's not point whatsoever in merging when the smaller article may as well be deleted. IainP (talk) 16:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; I'll just delete SlipKnoT (band).  --Nlu 16:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging of SlipKnoT (band) 

message: Posted by someone with an IP address:
"In the December edition of Revolver it has been said that Corey left the band due to personal issues,walking out on the tour and that they have already found a replacement (not yet known).This may just be a rumor."
As stated, this is a rumour, not fact - hence I've put Corey back into the "band members" list from the "former members list" until it's confirmed one way or the other.
IainP (talk) 15:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolver reporting Corey has left the band? 

message: I added a disputed tag to the Violation of Innocence section.  Not sourced and there is no evidence this group exists.  Group is on AfD, if it is deleted, this section should be removed.--Isotope23 20:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Tag 

message: Edited the first part of the article. Someone had put that the genre was rap/R&B.--Dess 20:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your insighful comments. With smart, opinionated editors like these it won't be long before the endlessly debated genre discussion is settled once and for all. --- Trench 13:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre edit 

message: "This has lead to Slipknot being occasionally labled as "nu-death", however, nu-death is not an official genre." I feel this is (amusingly) poor wording. There's such a thing as an official genre now? ;)
I'm gonna tidy this up a tiny lil' bit. 
I kinda like the sound of the "Nu Death", thing, though. It feels right. 82.13.243.37 22:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing it would be the best thing we could do. I disagree with the term, because Slipknot's music has extremely little in common with death metal. In addition, I googled "nu-death" and got 887 results (a extremely small number), and from what I saw, at least 10 or so in the first pages weren't even referring to it directly as a music genre, rather as part of a list of types of metal (e.g. Hardcore/Nu/Death/Black Metal). La Pizza11 01:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Death 

message: I removed the list of albums since there is a separate article for the discography.
Wildnox 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of albums/songs 

message: Anyone who classifies Slipknot as nu-metal is insulting what they stand for.  The fact is, Slipknot is unlike anything we've ever heard before.  You're lucky that Slipknot fans don't like Wikipedia because you would be in a world of hurt.
First, what exactly do they "stand for" and what is it that set them apart? Second what genre would you classify them as, making a constructive arguement is always better than a hollow one. On another note,please don't use wikipedia, or any other internet media, to make an empty threat, it generally just makes you look foolish. Wildnox 16:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are you thinking 

message: There is now (link to the hebrew page)
==Citations==
Does anyone have citations for any of the facts in this article. I don't doubt their accuracy, it would just be nice to WP:CITE.
Wether or not anyone else has any I'm going to be trying to find citations for parts of the article, so it would be helpful if people could add some of them. Wildnox 17:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: well

message: Does anyone have citations for any of the facts in this article. I don't doubt their accuracy, it would just be nice to WP:CITE.
Wether or not anyone else has any I'm going to be trying to find citations for parts of the article, so it would be helpful if people could add some of them. Wildnox 17:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations