Talk:Ali/Inhericance

message: == Zora added regarding Quran rebutal ==
Here is Alis answer to Abu Bakr according to Tabari. He did not mention vers number:
Fatimah came to Abu Bakr and demanded her share in the inheritance.  Al-Abbas came to him and demanded his share in the inheritance.  Ali came with them.  Thereupon Abu Bakr said, “The Apostle of Allah said, “We leave no inheritance, what we leave behind us is sadaqah.”  I shall make provisions for those for whom the Prophet had made.”  On this Ali said, “Sulayman (Solomon) inherited Dawud (David), and Zakariya said, ‘He may be my heir and the heir of the children of Yaqab (Zachariah and John the Baptist)’”.  Abu Bakr said, “This is as this is.  By Allah!  You know it as I know.”  Thereupon Ali said, “This is the Book of Allah that speaks.”  Then they became quiet and retired.  (page 393). 
But it is the following verses: 
[27.16] And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.
[21.89] And Zakariya, when he cried to his Lord: O my Lord leave me not alone; and Thou art the best of inheritors.
--Striver 03:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: Here is Alis answer to Abu Bakr according to Tabari. He did not mention vers number:
Fatimah came to Abu Bakr and demanded her share in the inheritance.  Al-Abbas came to him and demanded his share in the inheritance.  Ali came with them.  Thereupon Abu Bakr said, “The Apostle of Allah said, “We leave no inheritance, what we leave behind us is sadaqah.”  I shall make provisions for those for whom the Prophet had made.”  On this Ali said, “Sulayman (Solomon) inherited Dawud (David), and Zakariya said, ‘He may be my heir and the heir of the children of Yaqab (Zachariah and John the Baptist)’”.  Abu Bakr said, “This is as this is.  By Allah!  You know it as I know.”  Thereupon Ali said, “This is the Book of Allah that speaks.”  Then they became quiet and retired.  (page 393). 
But it is the following verses: 
[27.16] And Sulaiman was Dawood's heir, and he said: O men! we have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given all things; most surely this is manifest grace.
[21.89] And Zakariya, when he cried to his Lord: O my Lord leave me not alone; and Thou art the best of inheritors.
--Striver 03:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zora added regarding Quran rebutal 

message: == Totally disputed section ==
Recently, a number of changes have been made to the Inheritance section without any discussion.  While this normally wouldn't be an issue, the neutrality and factual accuracy of the section are both under dispute, hence the totally disputed tag.  The best way to handle this situation is to discuss the issues so we can all reach a consensus and ultimately resolve both disputes.  Edits such as this one are not only unhelpful but also blatant violations of the the Wikipedia:Assume good faith behavioral guideline and the official Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility policies.
The whole matter really shouldn't be that complicated, it just looks to me like no one has made the effort to discuss the problems with this section now.  I would ask that if anyone seeks to make major changes to a totally disputed section again, they discuss it here first so all interested parties can work on it together and reach a consensus. MezzoMezzo 13:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also have a vested interest in working towards a neutrally accepted version of these events so would like to help out in understanding what the points of contention are and work towards a consensus. I have copied the section below and would like to hear the various point of views and hopefully we can come to an agreement. MezzoMezzo, could you put your views on what is under dispute please first. → AA (talk) — 14:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your help AA.  I'm only on for a little bit so i'll have to save going through the whole section until later.  However, my main point of contention was just that the disputed tag has repeatedly been removed without discussion, which I felt was inappropriate.  In a day or so i'll go through and state what I think of the section, and hopefully soon we can get input from other interested parties as well. MezzoMezzo 13:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: From [[Talk:Ali/Archive4]]

message: Recently, a number of changes have been made to the Inheritance section without any discussion.  While this normally wouldn't be an issue, the neutrality and factual accuracy of the section are both under dispute, hence the totally disputed tag.  The best way to handle this situation is to discuss the issues so we can all reach a consensus and ultimately resolve both disputes.  Edits such as this one are not only unhelpful but also blatant violations of the the Wikipedia:Assume good faith behavioral guideline and the official Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility policies.
The whole matter really shouldn't be that complicated, it just looks to me like no one has made the effort to discuss the problems with this section now.  I would ask that if anyone seeks to make major changes to a totally disputed section again, they discuss it here first so all interested parties can work on it together and reach a consensus. MezzoMezzo 13:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also have a vested interest in working towards a neutrally accepted version of these events so would like to help out in understanding what the points of contention are and work towards a consensus. I have copied the section below and would like to hear the various point of views and hopefully we can come to an agreement. MezzoMezzo, could you put your views on what is under dispute please first. → AA (talk) — 14:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your help AA.  I'm only on for a little bit so i'll have to save going through the whole section until later.  However, my main point of contention was just that the disputed tag has repeatedly been removed without discussion, which I felt was inappropriate.  In a day or so i'll go through and state what I think of the section, and hopefully soon we can get input from other interested parties as well. MezzoMezzo 13:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally disputed section