Talk:Joe Torre

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STOP deleting this post about Torre -- 
"Although Manager Torre was not referenced in the Mitchell Report, released in December of 2007, the results certainly cast a shadow over his long standing tenure as the Yankees Manager. Between unsealed affidavits and the Mitchell Report findings, ten Yankees were noted as steriod or HGH users, which was far more than any other baseball team."
The FACT that the Yanks on the watch of Manager Torre had far and away the most players using illegal substance (roids and hgh) is relevant to his wiki overview. It speaks to the character and management style as year after year he turned the other way  while player after player (e.g. clemens, justice, giambi, pettitte, sheffield to name just a few) used performance enhancing drugs.  i am not a met or bosox fan..i am a fan of the game.  by turning a blind eye torre has tarnished the game and the yankees organization.   this lowlight of this career has been covered and questioned in every major new york newspaper from the post and the daily news to the times and needs to be recognized as part of his past, whether you love st. joe or not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murphy9977 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place for you to put your opinion on Torre's character and management style. Criticism of him is only acceptable if legitimate sources are provided to back up the statements. Spanneraol (talk) 18:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC
Spanneraol  -- this is not an opinion on Joe Torre it is a fact and his management style is completely relevant daaaaaaaaaa because he is a MANAGER.  It is clear you lack any objectivity and ask politely you seize touching relevant and factual posts.  If you would like to have your own Torre definition feel free. 
Saying "this casts a shadow over Torre" is an opinion, not a fact. If he knew or did not know of the steroid abuse is a matter of opinion and doesnt belong here unless you can source it. Spanneraol (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torre and the Mitchell report 

message: I've moved this paragraph here because it doesn't seem to have much relevance on a biography of Joe Torre.  Maybe it could be factored into the New York Yankees page somehow.
:It is also worth noting that the Yankees of 2006 boast an "All-Star" coaching staff which has had a noticably positive effect on the team (especially when one considers the number of young, inexperienced players on the team). Only Torre and third year Hitting Coach Don Mattingly remain from the 2005 coaching staff. Ron Guidry was hired as pitching coach, Tony Peña as first base coach, Larry Bowa as third base coach, Joe Kerrigan as bullpen coach and Lee Mazzilli as bench coach. Guidry and Mattingly (who, as players, were both career Yankees) were each among the most skilled in the major leagues at the respective positions during their playing days- Guidry was a dominant pitcher and Mattingly was an MVP caliber hitter. All of the other coaches are former managers. Peña managed the Kansas City Royals, Bowa managed the Philadelphia Phillies and San Diego Padres, Kerrigan managed the Boston Red Sox and Mazilli managed the Baltimore Orioles. In addition, Bowa has been praised by Yankee players for his dedication in helping young players improve their fielding abilities.
—Cleared as filed. 17:09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Torre and All-Star coaches

message: Session on Early Life / Life History ??
Yeah, I agree, this is one of the most disorganized pages I've seen on Wikipedia concerning a pretty famous figure.  His personal info is at the bottom as opposed to near the top and there is so much info missing.  76.170.3.45 (talk) 04:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on Early Life / Life History 

message: I heard on a news report that he was fired. Crazy Canadian 16:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firing 

message: I removed the following:
Torre however has taken some deserved criticism the past several years for his inability to get a talent-laden roster to another World Championship.  He wrongly used Jeff Weaver, who was terrible all season and hadn't pitched in over 2 weeks, in extra innings of Game 4 of the 2003 World Series against Florida over the Yankees best reliever Mariano Rivera.  Weaver went on to give up the game-winning home run to Alex Gonzalez.  The Yankees didn't win another game in the series and lost in 6 games.  In the 2004 ALCS against Boston, he failed to stop his team from blowing a 3-0 series lead to Boston.  His insistence on not running on Tim Wakefield in the 13th inning of Game 5 (an inning in which two Yankees reached base, and Boston catcher Jason Varitek committed two passed balls) and his refusal to let his players bunt on an injured Curt Schilling in Game 6 are fair criticisms.  His 2006 team also completely fell apart in Games 3 and 4 against the Detroit Tigers in the ALDS.  As of June 24th, his 2007 talent-laden team continues to underachieve at 36-37 and remains far out of the division race.
While a great number of the criticisms are valid, they don't belong in an encyclopedia article unless the sources are cited -- the text as-is reads as an anti-Torre screed thinly veiled in a cloak of "objectivity" with weasel words like "has taken some deserved criticism". There are a lot of forums for expressing opinions about baseball; I suggest Baseball Think Factory or Bronx Banter, among a whole host of others. Thanks. Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 09:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that should have been removed because of its POV wording. Still, I think there is ample reason to create a Criticism section if it is cited well.Arnabdas 16:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed for a host of violations

message: Please protect this page against the flood of users who will attempt to change Torre's status without official word from Yankees management. Thank you. Cumulus Clouds 04:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: BOOOOOOOOOOOOO 68.36.214.143 15:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha above IP user! Too bad for you! :P 128.113.228.214 01:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You people on wikipedia really get me...I don't understand why you need like "official" proof if all things point to it and A FRIGGIN PRESS CONFERENCE FROM JOE TORRE SAYING HE'S NO LONGER A YANKEE to change colors. EmperorNero 19:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for protection

message: According to the Mike and the Mad Dog conference call, Joe Torre has turned down the offer. Put up them gray colors! EmperorNero 20:13, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey 

message: I'd assume its just to avoid confusion right? 67.87.184.150 14:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlanta Braves colors 

message: Following sentence has grammar problems:
Torre appeared in Sesame Street when he was brought by Baby Bear and help Telly to catch a ball. Then, when he was walking back to a Yankees game, he threw the ball back to Telly, and he caught it.
I suggest:
Torre appeared in Sesame Street when he was brought by Baby Bear to help Telly catch a ball. Then, when he was walking back to a Yankees game, he threw the ball back to Telly, who caught it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.101.111 (talk) 20:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tra (Talk) 21:46, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change request 

message: when will the picture and color be updated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.233.32.17 (talk) 20:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dodgers 

message: (I'm moving discussion down here where it's supposed to be.  We don't write from the bottom-up...)
I've re-reverted the Mitchell Report nonsense from this article for a simple reason:  I just looked up the Mitchell Report and Torre's name is only in there once ---- for releasing Brian McNamee!  McNamee then came into contact with Roger Clemens in Toronto, not in New York!  There is no connection specified in that report between Torre and any players.  I don't know if Torre ran over your dog or what, but stop trying to trash him here when you have no evidence at all.  —Wknight94 (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Mitchell Report nonsense 

message: Corrected that the Braves finished third in 1984 under Torre; in fact, Atlanta tied for 2nd place with Houston. Different sources may list one or the other ahead (although generally ties are listed in alphabetical order, putting Atlanta in "2nd place"). Regardless, both the Braves and Astros were 80-82 that year.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.246.178 (talk) 03:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also fleshed out the details of his 3-year span, noting some significant accomplishments.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.246.178 (talk) 03:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  Nice job.  Wknight94 talk 05:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlanta Braves (1982-84)  

message: An article stated that the New York Mets the team they played was part of the late 1990's dynasty, they 
 played them in the 2000 World Series that is not the 1990's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 15:28, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yankees Dynasty 

message: Joe Torre was also a the MLB Player's Union Rep at a crucial time: during the US Supreme Court's Flood v Kuhn Decision.  Although unsuccessful, Flood, Torre's former teammate, became the first MLB player to both declare himself a free agent and challenge MLB's seemingly ironclad Reserve Clause, which Flood called tantamount to modern slavery.  Why isn't Torre's union involvement mentioned???  It is important.User:JCHeverly 23:18, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the sources I've found about the case, as well as the fact that Torre isn't even mentioned in the Flood v. Kuhn article, it appears that he played a very minor role in this case. --Hirolovesswords (talk) 01:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  MLB Player's Rep completely ignored.  Why??? Comment 

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