Talk:EMD GP38-2

message: There was never a railroad or corporation called Family Lines System. It was a marketing scheme of Seaboard Coast Line Industries for its Railroads. Those Family Lines GP38-2s in the roster will be moved to their proper railroads, a Family Lines paint will be placed as a note. 
Working on the GP38-2 roster today, lots of errors. Checking A J Kristopan's EMD Serial Number page for corrections. 
Saudi Arabia Government Railway had one GP38-2 #2000.
Total units will likely change. --SSW9389 (talk) 14:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

message: It appears to be possible vandalism. No explanation. The user keeps re-instating his changes with no explanations or sources whatsoever despite having been reminded on their talk page and in edit summaries. Graywalls (talk) 21:39, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't consider Robert Sarberenyi's railfan page a reliable source through the lens of WP:RS  and this is more so when other published reliable source's data don't exactly agree with it. Graywalls (talk) 09:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Just because something is published does not necessarily make it accurate. A serial number check is not everyone's cup of tea, but it does spell out accuracy of the data. --SSW9389 (talk) 12:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not just published, but RELIABLY published, per WP:RS and evaluation of reliability of sources per WP:COMPETENCE. We require verifiability, not truth, although, sometimes the truth is never available. If there's a discrepancy between reliably published source(s), and some dude on the internet, we go with the reliable sources. WP:VNT Graywalls (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

text: Well, it's been reliably published in several different books, but there's some disagreement. The variance isn't hugely significant--a dozen locomotives (save for Foster, and that work focused on spotting detail). Mackensen (talk) 12:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  What I'm saying is that, let's just omit this unimportant details altogether. 03:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Ongoing unexplained value changes without references by 211.250.168.108 

message: This should go without saying, but BNSF was not an original owner. GP38-2 production ended in 1986, while BNSF was formed in 1995. I'm getting sick and tired of having to revert obvious factual inaccuracies repeatedly introduced by a certain IP editor. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:09, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I agree that they are a nuisance. They're a magnet for unsourced trivia and nonsense, and why should we bother hosting them when sites like the diesel shop already do? When I wrote GE 25-ton switcher, I intentionally excluded a roster list because as you can see it is ridiculously long  (over 400 entries). In general, at minimum I think notes sections should be deprecated or seriously cut down, as they are basically cruft electromagnets and I question if they count as encyclopedic. It might be a good idea to launch another discussion at WP:TRAINS on the topic and see if we can get a general consensus to deprecate roster lists in general. I know they have their defenders, though. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  BNSF 

message: Hello, there have been some unsourced value changes by 59.13.222.13 and I believe that this is likely incorrect, but would like to come to a consensus as I do not have access to the source linked for this section before reverting the changes. This could be the same editor as mentioned by user graywalls, however it is hard to know. Input is appreciated.  Jcody21 (talk) 20:48, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Value Changes by 59.13.222.13