Talk:Mackinac Island, Michigan

message: Mackinac Island hasn't changed much since the 19th century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.9.63 (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting... Most people comparing photographs of many parts of the Island from the late-19th Century to present-day views would say the Island has changed quite a bit since then. I guess it's a matter of degrees. CBessert (talk) 04:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: Is this city considered to have been established in 1670 when the mission was founded, or 1780 when Fort Mackinac was built? What is considered the founding year of Mackinac Island's settlement? 50.107.106.227 (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The simple answer is: yes. You can make a case for 1670/71 and 1780/81 and 1817 and 1847 and 1899... it all depends on what your definition of "establishment" is and what you're specifically referring to. Hence, when referring to the establishment of a settlement versus the date of a specific legal entity being created, it important to be clear. Some early settlements were "established" only to be abandoned temporarily (sometimes for quite a length of time) due to any number of reasons, only to be repopulated later, so such "establishments" aren't always clearcut, black-and-white, unlike the establishment dates for the incorporation of a village or city, which is a very specific date. I believe the 1671 date is firmly supported in numerous historical documents for the general "settlement" on the Island. CBessert (talk) 10:21, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Establishment date 

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message: What should the "date of incorporation" be for the City of Mackinac Island? It was long held that June 9, 1899 was the date the city was incorporated by the State Legislature, which, when you read the actual text, says "Approved June 9, 1899." Does this mean this is the date of incorporation? In the actual language of the legislation, Section 1 states "from and after March twentieth, A.D. nineteen hundred, the township of Holmes and the village of Mackinac... shall be hereby vacated, and all the territory now comprising the said township of Holmes and village of Mackinac, the same being all of Mackinac Island and Round Island... shall be and the same is hereby constituted and declared thereafter to be a city corporate by the name of the City of Mackinac Island...". Is this the date of incorporation or simply the effective date of the incorporation as referenced above on June 9, 1899? Is this splitting a very, very small hair? Maybe... but with two dates not only in different years but different centuries (the 1900 vs 1901 debate notwithstanding), it's a bit more important than it may have been otherwise. If both dates were in the same year, maybe it wouldn't appear to make so much of a difference, but with one in 1899 and the other in 1900, I think there may need to be some consensus as to whether it was incorporated in 1899 (with an effective date of 3/20/1900) or it was incorporated on 3/20/1900? Most other sources seem to use the 1899 date, including the State Park Commission ("Mackinac Island was incorporated as a city in 1899." https://www.mackinacparks.com/the-city-of-mackinac-island ) Since the act of incorporating a city implies some sort of action, I would submit the City of Mackinac Island was incorporated by the Legislature on June 9, 1899 with the effective date being March 20 1900, but I'm interested in hearing others' thoughts. CBessert (talk) 11:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorporation date