Talk:Gibraltar/Archive 8

message: I have just made a bit of a discovery... According to this source, Jabal Tāriq would not mean Mountain of Tāriq but Mountain of the path. It states that Islamic law forbids the naming of things after people or animals. I have never before heard of this and found it very interesting. If this is correct the etymology of Gibraltar included in the article would be inaccurate. Gibmetal 77talk 11:17, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The etymology of Gibraltar is a very interesting subject. It universally acknoledged that when Tariq ibn-Ziyadd invaded, they called the rock Jabal Tariq, or Tariq's Mount - this eventually changed to Gibraltar. However, when Tariq landed in Gibraltar in 711, the Rock was named Jabal Al Fath and the town Medinat Al Fath, which meant the Mountain of Victory and the City of Victory respectively, just like you said. The thing is that this idea is more of a hypothesis or speculation as opposed to having actually been proven. I remember Clive Finlayson from the museum having mentioned all this to me some time ago. The Encyclopædia Britannica notes it as Mountain of Tāriq, but then again just have a look at WP:EBE. -- Chris.B 13:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I too find the subject very interesting. Maybe we could get a specialist in Islamic law involved... Gibmetal 77talk 20:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: If someone could confirm that it was forbidden to name a place after a person in those days it would be useful. Are you fluent in Arabic? Gibmetal 77talk 06:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I can't read your link but I've researched the word elsewhere and it does indeed mean road, street or path. Possibly where the word for road or street Triq in Maltese comes from. We might be getting somewhere eventually... Gibmetal 77talk 19:10, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Another valid theory I guess. I wonder if we'll ever get passed theories though... Gibmetal 77talk 10:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountain of Tāriq? 

message: Any reason why these have been removed from the external links section? There's a link to wiki commons but there aren't many pictures on there. I know one can search on Flickr etc but I think there should be at least one good quality gallery of images linked from the article. Alexander-Scott 09:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: good point, put them back I say ! --Gibnews 22:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltar photo galleries 

message: I have just moved the pages describing elections from Gibraltarian to Gibraltar which is the correct term.
Gibraltarian refers to the people, a general election is specific to the territory and not the people, and indeed non-gibraltarians resident can participate and vote.
Perhaps someone who is a whizz with wiki can use a tool to fix all the links to 'Gibraltarian elections' and 'Gibraltarian constitution'.
--Gibnews 22:10, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I suppose we ought to move Gibraltarian cuisine as well. -- Chris B • talk 14:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think thats a valid use of the word, but not the election, and as I explained to someone before I know a Gibraltar lawyer who is Irish and lives in Spain - he is not a Gibraltarian lawyer. --Gibnews 22:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I named Gibraltarian cuisine like that as it the cuisine belongs to the place (e.g. Maltese cuisine). So as Gibnews says I think it's in valid use. But feel free to correct it if you find a source that states this is wrong. Gibmetal 77talk 00:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ok then -- Chris B • talk 11:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibraltar -v- Gibraltarian 

message: Hey guys, where did my map go? I saw you put a better general map of Gibraltar in the paragraph about subdivisions: 250px|right|thumb|Map of Gibraltar. Where I had a modified general map with less detail, but showing the location of the subdivisions (Major Residential Areas): :Image:Gibraltar-detail2.png. The new map has more detail, but does not show the subdivisions. That's where I have a problem. Now one could modify that map too, to place the numbers as in the subdivisions table on the map. But that highly detailed map is not that good to handle, because of its resolution. My suggestion is leave the new highly detailed map further up in the article, and restore the old subdivisons map in the subdivisions paragraph.--Ratzer (talk) 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been said before and here it is again THERE ARE NO SUBDIVISIONS in Gibraltar. --Gibnews (talk) 23:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that something has been said before does not make it correct. You are right in that there are no ADMINISTRATIVE subdivisions in Gibraltar, but obviously there are statistical/census subdivisions, and probably electoral districts. The census subdivisions on the lowest level are probably similar to the American Census blocks. City blocks are also subdivisions. In the case of Gibraltar, some of them even appear to be named, such as Europa Flats. But YOU tell me more about it, you are the local.--Ratzer (talk) 06:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There are no 'electoral districts' as such, in an election there are a number of polling stations supporting the areas around them, however it has been and will be different each time.  Similarly although for the purposes of a census there are different enumeration areas, they have varied and are not meaningful outside the scope of collecting that data.  Nor are there 'city blocks'.  Things are quite different to the US. Since the 1980's Gibraltar has seen great shifts of population and currently we have another under way.  In the future there is a big development on the East side of the rock.  Constant change is here to stay.  --Gibnews (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Of course there are city blocks. Every city that has streets and buildings can be subdivided into building blocks. Do I need to zoom into the city map of Gibraltar on Google Maps to show you some city blocks in Gibraltar? Whether a city uses building blocks as a geographic reference for statistical data is an entirely different question. Your other argument that the enumeration areas are not meaningful outside of the scope of collecting data is in contrast to your statement that in the future there is a big development on the East side of the rock. How can you document those regionally different developments within Gibraltar if you treat the whole area of Gibraltar as one homogeneous mass? East Side is one of the "Major Residential Areas" as defined by the census. --Ratzer (talk) 08:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so sure about 'city blocks' ... much of Main Street and the upper town are a sprawling interconnected mass rather than in neat blocks.  There are no administrative areas.  For the convenience of the census Gibraltar may be broken up into areas but they have no meaning apart from that.  The Eastside is not a major residential area as yet. Hope that clarifies things --Gibnews (talk) 11:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Who writes about administrative areas? Nobody. East side is a major residential area according to Census 2001 document , specifically the one with the least population (as of 2001) and the only one consisting of only one Enumeration Area (E.A. 1, with "Catalan Bay, Catalan Bay Village, Sir Herbert Miles Road, Both Worlds" (the latter probably the area around Sandy Bay).--Ratzer (talk) 11:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly the word 'major' means something different to you.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, however mine says that the East side currently has a low population density but in future will increase to the same levels as the rest. The development formerly known as 'Both Worlds' is currently the only residential facility at Sandy bay.  Camping, caravans and sleeping on the beach being illegal in Gibraltar.  Where do you want to go with this ? --Gibnews (talk) 00:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Major Residential Area (the component words should be capitalized to be correct) does not mean anything specific to me, nor do I wish to express something specific by using the qualifyer Major. It's just the term taken from the official Gibraltar document . By the way, I have seen pictures of the residential units at Sandy Bay, with the very steep slope up the rock right behind the buildings, I don't see which way you could expand there, unless you make land reclamation from the sea on the East Side too. Or you build twice as high as before. Or excavate the rock. I'm certainly interested in observing this development, although from a distance (since I'm not a resident).--Ratzer (talk) 06:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Eastside, which unlike the phrase 'major residential area' should be capitalised (spelt correctly) consists of a large reclamation North of Catalan Bay which itself is North of Sandy Bay.  There is a proposal to build on the slopes above that, but the bulk of the development will be on the reclamation with tall buildings etc.  At present there are very few people living round there.  Its some distance away from me too. --Gibnews (talk) 01:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  which map?