Talk:Non-Aligned Movement

message: which country became memebr of NAM in which year are to clearly mentioned in any of the links
=== bad link ? ===
could somebody check the link to foot note 3 ? it may be invalid as I couln't bring up anything 200803281126
John5Russell3Finley (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: could somebody check the link to foot note 3 ? it may be invalid as I couln't bring up anything 200803281126
John5Russell3Finley (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bad link ? 

message: I guess I'm responsible for the new organization of the article into subsections (i.e., Origins, Summits, Members). I don't know if that's the ideal way to break up the article (I'm an expert on neither NAM nor wikipedia style) but it seemed like the easiest way to break it up at the time without a significant rewrite, and as the article was written before, I think it was definitely getting too long to be just one section. What do others think? Is there a more clear & logical way to break up the article, or should it stay as is? 
If the "Summits" section remains, it seems like the events of every summit should be summarized, not just the first 3 or 4 summits, as the article now stands. But would a synopsis of all 13 summits really add to the value of the article? Comments are welcome. --Osbojos 16:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: Why image doesn't show countried of ex-Yugoslavia as members of Non-Aligneg Movement when it is obvious that its president Josip Broz Tito was very important individual in the organization.
:Because the successor states of Yugoslavia aren't members of NAM. A historic map with Yugoslavia marked as NAM member would be possible, if someone could provide an accurate list of member states for a specific representative date. Maybe a map with the member states of NAM in 1955 would be a good idea, but I don't know a free world map that shows the corresponding national borders for 1955.   --Baikonur 23:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: PRC is shown as observer on the map but not in the article. What is right ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blacksabbath43 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  China 

message: I appreciate all the work people have put into creating a list of NAM member countries, but it strikes me as redundant since the NAM template at the bottom of the article also lists all the countries (and does so in a form that's more compact and, I think, better looking). I'd like to see the new list of NAM member countries deleted. Other thoughts? --Osbojos 22:02, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The numbering is useful. Maybe it can be transferred into the template at the bottom. --Baikonur 20:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NAM Member Countries 

message: This list includes:
14th Summit – Durban, 17 August 2004 – 19 August 2004 
that doesn't fit the three year cycle, and does not appear on the website.  I don't think it should be there.  If there was a meeting in Durban then, it wasn't one of the numbered summits.
-- Beardo 20:24, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summits 

message: Does anyone know where I could find a list of the dates on which each member joined and/or left? Thanks! Josh 00:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates? 

message: "India was effectively aligned with the Soviet Union against China for many years."
this statement cites neither a source or facts to support it.it may be one opinion but in  that case shouldn't it say India was allegedlyItalic text aligned with the Soviet Union against China for many years. 125.23.23.11 18:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'effectively aligned' 

message: It says in the header, that the NAM nations are against Zionism. I find it to be highly debatable, and highly unlikely that this is one of the mission goals of the NAM. Perhaps for some of the Muslim nations, but for all of them, I think not. Therefore, I will be deleting it, unless someone can provide a good reason for puting it back. -- 02:30, December 16, 2006 Reticulum
: the good reason is that Zionism is listed in the quoted portion of the Havana Declaration. Altering quotes like that is Orwellian historical revision. That said, the current NAM statements might be critical of Israeli actions, but I can find no references calling for the destruction of the Jewish state, if anything, their recent statements imply NAM considers the state of Israel a foregone conclusion. See here, and their web page contains no references to Zionism. One could certainly argue that anti-Zionism is not a current focus of the NAM movement, and thus the purpose described in the Havana Declaration is misleading as the opening description in the NAM entry. If someone were willing to do the research to back up that position, it would seem reasonable to replace the current description of NAM's mission with one that doesn't mention Zionism. Although the results would look similar to your edits, that's a very different prospect than altering the substance of a quote. Continued efforts in the latter direction will continue to be reverted. Also, if the Zionism reference is removed from the header, perhaps NAM's historical anti-Israel attitude should be briefly mentioned in the body of the article? --Osbojos 21:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This Havana Declaration as an opening description doesn't seem to be an optimal choice to me either. Apart from the fact that, taking Wikipedia's definition of zionism, it is simply not a form of racism. Treos 16:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanation Please 

message: please can you explain me the role of Africa after the cold war in the non align movement. send to 4u2liveisjesus@myway.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.129.66 (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admission dates 

message: Could someone perhaps explain to me how various African nations that are members of the African Union can be members of the NAM? Someone please beat away my ignorance. --62.56.81.127 15:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: these organizations aren't exclusive. For instance, the US is a member of NATO as well as a member of the UN. --Osbojos 20:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The Non-Aligned Movement was a response to the pressures of NATO and the Warsaw Pact.  Membership in other multinational organizations, such as the AU, does not preclude membership in the NAM. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 16:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  African Nations in the AU 

message: Is that map right? -MichiganCharms 07:08, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Every Country In Africa? 

message: it seems like the last paragraph of the origins section are saying the same thing as last 1.5 paragraphs of the first section  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.45.98 (talk) 22:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: redundancy

message: The introduction says the NAM was founded in 1955.  The ORIGIN section says, "A significant milestone in the development of the Non-aligned movement was the 1955 Bandung Conference."  The Cold War article says that "The consensus reach [sic] at Bandung culminated with the creation of the Non-Aligned Movement in 1961."  Could someone clean this up? Mrsmathmom (talk) 03:21, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding dates? 

message: Oh, come on.
"The Non-Aligned Movement was formed as an attempt to thwart the Cold War[3] and has struggled to find relevance after the Cold War ended then it has fucked."
This is thinly veiled at best. You can do better than this, you weasely little fellows, you. I expect PROPER propaganding in my articles. You hear me?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.33.101.9 (talk) 15:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point. Why not make some suggestions to improve the article? I've tweaked some of the headings to make the article a little less slanted. Please see what you think. --John (talk) 04:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  WEASEL WORDS, WEASEL WORDS, WOOOO 

message: There is a sentence of "The Non-aligned movement also largely believes that the population of Earth should be gradually migrated to the Moon and other Space Colonies by the year 2040."
That doesn't sound credible, and more it has no reference. Remove?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.100.180 (talk) 10:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moon migration?! 

message: I've just moved the section on "Contemporary relevance" ahead of "Current activities and positions" because, after reading them, it seems to me to flow better, from the general idea of modernity to the specific activities that define it. But it might help if there were more history of NAM's activities just preceding "Contemporary relevance". I thought about connecting it with the "Origins" section, but that's still too much about the beginnnings, with little in-between history. Also, the "Policies" and "Structure" sections seemed to me to be well placed before discussions of current affairs, so I was reluctant to do any more moving just now. I'll leave it to regular editors of this article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:44, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flow 

message: I recommend adjusting the text to replace NAM with Non-Aligned Movement in all cases except the first sentence.  the acronym NAM is likely used by hundreds of organizations.  Using NAM frequently in the text cause confusion in search engines.  Replacing NAM with "Non-Aligned Movement" will improve this article's relevance in search engines.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.58.207.90 (talk) 17:01, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  NAM acronym  usage 

message: I think that Fiji joined the NAM in 2010.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.235.74.70 (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fiji is a new member? 

message: The NAM secretary general is usually the leader of the country. Since Mubarak resigned on the 11th of February then shouldn't Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, as leader, be the new secretary general?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabolisk (talk • contribs) 13:15, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who should we put as Secratary General? 

message: Do we have any indication the movement has a secretary general? And since when? I have been scanning the meeting reports but couldn't find anything to that effect. A ref would help a lot! L.tak (talk) 16:06, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't. "Unlike the United Nations (UN) or the Organization of American States, the Non-Aligned Movement has no formal constitution or permanent secretariat... The administration of the organization is the responsibility of the country holding the chair, a position that rotates at every summit" (Britannica). All references to "secretary general" should be changed to "chair". Moscow Mule (talk) 17:26, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secretary general? 

message: ...so shouldn't we correct the information on the page and make a reference to an acting SG? -- 92.4.118.215 (talk) 12:42, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the NAM is such a loose organization, these things are simply not well-established (in fact, I can not find a date even for the first mention of a secretary general, which was certainly not simply at the first conference..). So we should only put something on an actign SG if we have some sources the function exists... L.tak (talk) 07:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Egyptian Revolution overthrew Mubarak... 

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message: Given the update to show Libya as a current member, shouldn't the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya be added to former members? It is no longer recognised by the UN and the main Wikipedia page for Libya refers to the state as 'Libya'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.56.72 (talk) 16:33, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably best to wait for the summit next year in Teheran. Then Libya will be or deleted, or suspended, and possibly Movement recognize new government as member. For example, Yugoslavia remained on list, as suspended member, I think even till 1998 when was removed from member states list. That was several years after SFR Yugoslavia stop to exist.--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure if the comparison is good, because if I am not wrong, the Yugoslavia that was listed as member between 1992 until 1998 was the FR Yugoslavia. It was "suspended" because of all controverses around the Yugoslav Wars and its role in them (because of Milosevic) and because of the oposition of some Islamic countries that were solidary with Muslims in Bosnia. I´ll try to find something about it if you like, but I am most certain that FR Yugoslavia was the suspended member listed as Yugoslavia, and not the defunct one. FkpCascais (talk) 02:48, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Indeed, here (source) you can see how Iran and Malaysia protested in September 1992 because FR Yugoslavia took the seat of SFR Yugoslavia. FkpCascais (talk) 03:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, you're right. However, I think is best in such cases to wait for the next summit.--MirkoS18 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libyan Arab Jamahiriya 

message: Can someone produce a diagram as proposed here? Japinderum (talk) 07:40, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euler diagram 

message: "The US invasion of Iraq and the War on Terrorism, its attempts to stifle Iran and North Korea's nuclear plans, and its other actions have been denounced as human rights violations and attempts to run roughshod over the sovereignty of smaller nations"
Okay since this is not a forum I won't share my opinion on this but I have a feeling this misrepresents the policy of these nations. How many of them really support a nuclear North Korea, or Iran? 71.58.108.187 (talk) 13:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really? 

message: The Simple Wikipedia page for NAM lists Jakarta, Indonesia as Coordinating Bureau of the NAM and the English Wikipedia page lists New York, New York, United States. Which one is correct?Ramputrevu (talk) 12:35, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple vs English Wikipedia 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I think it could be added to the category Oxymorons, if it existed. —Mykhal (talk) 20:58, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oxymoron 

message: I cannot seem to find anything mentioning Jakarta as the organizational HQ - the only thing that exists is an office called the "South-South Technical Cooperation" which does not seem to be headquarters. I'll remove the info unless there's any other sources about it. Juxlos (talk) 16:52, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jakarta HQ 

message: As creator of 18th Summit of the Non-Aligned Movement, can you double check my work on this article?  --David Tornheim (talk) 20:55, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New chair 

message: The article starts correctly by saying the NAM has 120 members. However, the total listed under the heading Current Members is 121. This is because Azerbaijan is listed both under Asia and under Europe. I am not clear which is the correct classification as far as the NAM are concerned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeterPedant (talk • contribs) 17:26, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error in List of Members 

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message: On the map, Taiwan is colored light blue, implying that the Republic of China (Taiwan) is an observer state. Is that so? Is there any reference to Taiwan applying for membership, and being granted observer status? I see no reference to Taiwan in the article nor in the comments, so I thought I'd ask here. 123.205.17.149 (talk) 04:03, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not denoted as an independent entity, but as a sovereign posession of PR China! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 15:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That is obviously very wrong. It is a mistake that ought to be rectified, because it is contrary to the facts (Taiwan/the ROC is not a sovereign posession of the PRC), and contrary to wikipedia's established policies, with regard to this particular issue. Check for example all the world maps on the coronavirus epedemics, where Taiwan is rightly colored as a separate entity from China. 123.205.17.149 (talk) 06:25, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwan? 

message: Hi, I noticed that the article for the Non-Aligned Movement has been deleted by User:Jimfbleak, who is admin for the English wikipedia page. 
Is this normal? Because, the deletion reason was that there is an unambigious copyright infringment of the following link: https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Non-Aligned+Movement&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0
But this link does not show what the copyrighted material the article was infringing upon, at least not since after the article was removed. I'm all for respecting copyright, but an article on the Non-Aligned Movement should still exist despite any infringement. How does one go forward with this?
Johnwillem (talk) 18:20, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia definitely should have an article on the topic. It is highly relevant topic for the post-WWII history, especially for the Third World countries. Now, significant portion of the article was probably legitimate and without any formal copyright infringements. I am not sure how we can reinstate those parts, cut out material not properly referenced (if there is actually report on what parts were problematic-as the link doesn't show it) and fill any gaps with adequate text.--MirkoS18 (talk) 18:52, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Jimfbleak, can you please just give us some follow up information on how to reinstate the article without any part which was problematic? The link doesn't actually show where the problem specifically was and I am not sure how to access the previous version of the page. Is there already some procedure in place which will address our concerns, or this is really now the new ground zero where the article will have to be written from scratch?--MirkoS18 (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  As this deletion, especially without giving an actual source for the copyright infringement, is highly irregular, I've decided to go ahead and open an ANI thread to see if we can get some more information on how to proceed. Nathan2055talk - contribs 21:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot for doing this! Yes, it certainly is unusual. I mean, even if there is a proven copyright infringement, I think that part should be removed (as long as it's possible). Otherwise we can create a perfect Achilles' heel on Wikipedia where any spoiler actor can import some irregular material and by that ruin the hard work of other volunteers. Now, I do want to assume good faith, but some further clarification and return of legitimate material is certainly needed.--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:53, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article has been removed? 

message: What is the importance of Non Aligned Movement 2409:4060:E90:9BFC:0:0:490B:412 (talk) 06:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Could there be a more detailed account of participating members of the Non-Aligned Movement, such as Egypt? Wikiuser007700Wikiuser007700 (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non Aligned Movement 

message: Apurbo
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thread_title:  Apurbo 

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message: I've been looking for sources to no avail. It's weird that for one NAM doesn't have a central website that would document this. But according to which sources is the current table made up? @MirkoS18 might you know more? –Vipz (talk) 03:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't been too involved in this main article and it seems to me that some rewriting would be beneficial. As for the chairperson, I think it would automatically be the head of state or government of the state which organized the last conference (hence the mess with Yugoslav list due to collective rotating leadership). There are sources clarifying this, but it may very easily be applicable only for post-1970 conference when the movement itself became a thing (so it was not anymore just a meeting of Non-Aligned states). Since there is a strong resistance to institutionalisation (hence movement instead of organisation of Non-Aligned states) there are no formal bodies or even website. I am a bit in hurry now, but I will take a look.--MirkoS18 (talk) 09:30, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Non-Aligned Movement#Chair]] sources? 

message: "pro-soviet" was not always a choice
"pro-American" errr no, pro choice, freedom of speech, democracy and the ilk
The above may be NAM's descriptions but seems biased and over simplified, possibly misleading.121.98.30.202 (talk) 14:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead wording... 

message: According to the list on the official website of the Non-Aligned Movement, Austria, South Sudan and the Vatican do not have observer status (see source: https://nam.go.ug/observer-countries) Hans-Rudi der Letzte (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Removed unsourced Austria and South Sudan but created a new section "Former observers" for the sourced Vatican City. Thanks for observing the error. –Vipz (talk) 12:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Observers