Talk:Radical Traditionalism

message: This article, as i see it in Arpil, 2006, is a mess. It is sub-par, disorganized, almost useless to readers seeking information, and basically just not readble. I strongly agree with Sam Spade's original attempt to merge its contents with Traditional School. If not, i vote to delete it as being beneath Wiki standards of information. Catherineyronwode 00:49, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. What? You want to merge two totally seperate subjects because you feel that the article needs some sort of improvement or, even better, delete them entirely? They're two seperate movements from two totally seperate circles from seperate places and seperate eras of time. If you can't muster up the effort to do a little research on your own, it's no problem of any who contributed to this article. :bloodofox: 01:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose. I think :bloodofox: is being a little over-aggressive here but he's basically right. Traditionalism and Radical Traditionalism are quite different. They both consist in part of a critique of the modern world, which is why you will see, for example, Evola mentioned in both Traditionalist and Radical Traditionalist texts, but although they share an opinion that the modern world is flawed they propose strikingly different solutions. If this article and the Traditionalist article are to be merged then we might as well merge this with the article on Marxism and any other movement that critiques the modern West. This article could do with a cleanup, but so could many others on Wikipedia. The solution is to clean them up, not to delete them. Do you propose we delete all the stub articles too? Anomenat 10:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditionalist school

message: ... I find that "radical traditionalism" in the vast majority of occurrences is used compositionally, i.e. somebody's "traditionalism" being discussed in terms of being "radical". 
*The radical traditionalism of the Nahdlatul Ulama in Indonesia 
*Ralph Shapey: Radical Traditionalism (album title)
*Building on EP Thompson’s notion of ‘radical traditionalism’, I argue that Ford offers an economically radical critique of capitalism
*"The original fundamentalist revolt was a radical-traditionalist movement aimed at countering the burgeoning rationalization of industrial bureaucracies and the deleterious impact this had upon the moral milieu of local Protestant communities in large Northeastern cities
*Radical traditionalism: William Cobbett in the Industrial Revolution
*etc.
All of these instances of "radical traditionalism" have nothing to do with Moynihan's term. It is unclear that the coinage of "Radical Traditionsism" as referring to a sort of Neofascist Neopaganism has any currency beyond the Moynihan-Godwin-Michell publications. Highly dubious article. I think this is just another case of somebody trying to abuse Wikipedia in helping coin a term. This isn't what Wikipedia is for. --dab (𒁳) 07:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC
::Good work, I agree. Doug Weller (talk) 09:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: googling "radical traditionalism"

message: The same Google search seems to be more productive:
* Tyr journal (as before)
* John Michell, Confessions of a Radical Tradionalist
* "Alternative Right - An Online Magazine of Radical Traditionalism"
* Julius Evola - Radical Traditionalist
These primary sources seem to be all talking about the same Radical Traditionalism. As for secondary sources, so far I've found only
* John Michell, Radical Traditionalism, and the Emerging Politics of the Pagan New Right.
...which is obviously a bit thin for the time being. I think this is worth watching, this seems to be a growing thing and more secondary sources may pop up. —Ashley Y 09:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Four years later