Talk:Mark Cavendish

message: Cavendish was introduced to the world of cycling about the age of 12, having previously been a keen BMXer. 
Last I heard about it, BMX is a form of cycling.  Is this supposed to say "the world of road cycling", or is the age wrong, or what?  Daniel Barlow (talk) 08:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  At the age of 12 

message: Does anyone have any information of his previous BMX career? Might be nice to add a section for it. brob (talk) 20:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I have read I gather that his "BMX career" was more of a childhood pastime than a career. I haven't seen any sources which imply otherwise. Thaf (talk) 10:53, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BMX career 

message: Maybe slightly picky, but there must be a better photo available to use? Having a photo from 2006 doesn't really look to good. If anyone could find a recent photo that would be better. If not recent, at least from his current team!
Also, is the Grote Scheldeprijs a "Major win"? I know he's won it twice but we shouldn't let that affect anything - Boonen and McEwen don't have it in theirs, but a few of the minor names do. If "major" is seen as a relative term, then I can understand having it as a "Major win" for someone if it was their career pinnacle (or their only win!), but Cavendish has won 6 grand tour sprints, and doubtless will win much bigger things in the future - is it really "Major" for him?  --Foolishfool (talk) 20:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: General Stuff - photo and "Major wins"

message: I removed this section beacuse in my view it was pointless trivia which added nothing to the article.----GreatestrowereverTalk Page 18:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cavendish and a stranger 

message: I'm flexible on the title (I'd personally prefer something more like "Mark Cavendish palmarès" but I can understand why that's not the best title). Fact is, this section is already huge and it's only going to get huger in time. It might not even be exhaustive as is. But with Cavendish realistically having several more years of being the world's most prolific stage-race stage winner, this list is going to end up enormous. The other obvious option is paring it down and keeping it here, but I can't imagine that has much support. Nosleep break my slumber 20:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd second that. Malo0178 (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I think a split would be the sensible thing to do with the section being as big as it is already. Michaelfool (talk) 01:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, so we're in favor of a split. That's the what. Wherein lies the rub, as the Bard would say, is the how. What is the new title going to be (I pulled Career victories of Mark Cavendish out of thin air as I was typing; if it works, it works, but maybe there's something better), and what is the new article going to look like? Is there precedent for splitting an article like this? Obviously, we're not going to just take the section out of this article and put it into a new one, but what prose in particular should accompany it? Nothing too redundant to this article. Should the new article have the word "List" in its name, which, rightly or wrongly, seems to indicate limited prose is needed? Nosleep break my slumber 14:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would go for List of career achievements by Mark Cavendish. This format is in use in various other sports, see Special:PrefixIndex/list_of_career_achievements_by. --EdgeNavidad (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A fairly good idea to split given his age. I'm not sure about 'career achievements' - it sounds a bit fawning. The athletes in the list you provide have done a hell of a lot more than Cavendish has... maybe Career achievements of Lance Armstrong or Career achievements of Mario Cipollini might be appropriate, but Cav's not there (yet!). What's wrong with Mark Cavendish palmarès? If its the nature of palmarès as a technical term, I don't see that as a problem - after all, music band articles use discography. Palmarès also has the benefit of being a neutral term and, unlike achievements, does not necessarily read as 'a list of why Cav is great'. Another I'd put forward is Mark Cavendish career statistics, taking the example from tennis (see these, three, examples). Indeed, there is no reason why we couldn't then use that article to develop templates/tables with career summaries, which occur for a number of other sports (I'm thinking a table which somehow provides details of results from the classics, grand tours, world championships, in the manner of the tennis grand slam + masters tables. But that's moving onto a different discussion). So actually I think the career statistics works best (it has potential to be expanded into something more than a simple list), but palmarès works too. --Pretty Green (talk) 10:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably would also be a good idea to use the sortable tables suggestion at WT:CYC. I'm not uverly fussed about the page name, can always change it at a later date. SeveroTC 13:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Id go for it, its only going to get bigger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy Lowson (talk • contribs) 14:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

message: The separate article for Career Achievements does an excellent job on detailing all Mark's victories, while the year by year sections on this article provide an overview of his main wins each year. What is missing though is a section giving some context on Mark's place in overall sprinting history and comparisons over time. With this in mind I'm going to put some info back in the Career Achievements section detailing these career highlights.
My initial ones are focussed on his place in the pantheon of British cycling as he is already the British rider with most TdF stages, most overall victories, wins in all three tours, TdF Green jersey winner etc. Also a few overall categories like wins by a neo-pro, placing in TdF stage winners and Grand Tour stage winners overall rankings which tend to get media attention (obviously these will require updating). 
Will be worth keeping an eye out for other Career Landmarks that come up and placing them in this section as they rather get lost in the year by year stuff.Andrewdpcotton (talk) 13:40, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career Achievements 

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message: Is Mark really part of the House of Cavendish, or does he so happen to have the surname as well? It doesn't say anything online about him being related to the family of the Dukes of Devonshire, neither does he have a title (eg. he is not Lord Mark Cavendish). On the page of the House of Cavendish, it says that he is a member of it, but I don't think this is entirely correct, but correct me if I'm wrong here.
--Alice.pinder (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No evidence for this, I've removed it from the House of Cavendish page --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 22:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of the House of Cavendish? 

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message: Hi there, I’ve expanded and cleaned up the article ready for GA nomination. If there are still problems, please do contact me and I will get then sorted. Regards, Willbb234Talk (please  me in replies) 09:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA 

message: Editors keep warring over this claim: "He is widely considered the greatest road sprinter of all time". At present one and only one cited reference, the magazine Peloton, states he is the greatest sprinter of all time; the other reference supporting this puts him in the top 10. So the claim that he is " widely considered the greatest road sprinter of all time" is not supported by our current references. It may be that editors are thinking of the Peloton article, which also also cites L'Equipe saying that he is the greatest Tour sprinter, but this is not quite the same thing as him being the greatest sprinter. Ericoides (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Indubitably the #1 sprinter in TdF history in terms of results but edged in Grand Tour stages wins by Mario Cipollini 57-52.  I'd put it in a table if I knew how.  Super Mario has 12 TdF stages wins, 42 at the Giro and 3 at the Vuelta; Cav's stats are 34-15-3 as of the end of the 2021 Tour.  Merckx is ahead of both, with 64, but was good against the clock and uphill too.  Which is dashed unsportsmanlike. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

text: I'd agree that such a claim needs the opinion of more than one journalist as supporting evidence. Firestar47 (talk) 20:42, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The greatest sprinter? 

message: Hi all I have added his second book to the 'Personal Life' section. I did wonder though whether his publications should have a section of their own. Firestar47 (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Books 

message: The opening section says Cav is British but as a citizen of the Isle of Mann is not also a dual national? Firestar47 (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Firestar47 According to  "The Isle of Man currently has its own British passport variant, but it does not have its own citizenship" So no he is not a dual national. Paulpat99 (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality