Talk:Sachsenspiegel

message: Earlier versions of this article were apparently based on a translation of the German Wikipedia article (citation required by copyleft?). -Boson 18:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a cleanup tag that got removed, although some of the translation was, er, somewhat misleading, so I have attempted to remedy the worst instances of mistranslation and generally revise the article, rather than just put the cleanup tag back. I hope that is in order. Perhaps someone more knowlegeable about German legal history will take a look. -Boson 18:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe we can get a full translation of the German again? (Better, this time, if there were problems before) -LlywelynII (talk) 06:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The article asserts that the Sachsenspiegel was divided into "common law" (Landrecht) and "feudal law" (Lehnrecht). However, my understanding is that common law is case law i.e. it is based on precedence, not statute. I also understood that, by contrast, Landrecht was based on a mix of custom, privileges and acts passed by reigning princes. Arnold (1991) describes it as "the customary law of the region". Is there an English term that better captures the sense of Landrecht than "common law"? --Bermicourt (talk) 16:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common law? 

message: I wonder if we need at least a footnote, or even a paragraph, explaining the name.
We have previously had two different translations. 
Originally it was "Saxon mirror".
It was later changed to "Saxon overview".
Later still, it was changed back to "Saxon mirror".
Now it has been again changed to "Saxon overview".
I would normally agree that "Spiegel" as used here has more the meaning of "overview" or "vademecum". 
I would almost go so far as to say that "Spiegel" is a homonym with two separate meanings and "mirror" is the wrong translation in this instance.
However, the author does explicitly use the metaphor of a mirror when he explains the name:
"Spegel der Sassen
Scal di buk sin genant,
went Sassen recht is hir an bekant,
Als an eneme spegele de frouwen
er antlite scowen"
["Mirror of the Saxons" this book shall be called,for Saxon law is seen in it, just as women look at their face in a mirror.]
--Boson (talk) 13:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for the indecisiveness. The issues is whether it's useful to have literary translations. So I hope the current current compromise is OK. Thanks for quoting the poem. It clarified a lot! Mootros (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think that's a good solution. --Boson (talk) 20:31, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation/explanation of the word "Sachsenspiegel" 

message: There is some severe anachronism problem in this article. One thing was a link to the Holy Roman Empire that simply read "German Niddle Ages". The term "German" and "Germany" were used at least a dozen times in the lead with "Saxon" being used not once apart from the translation of the article title. Another bizarre claim is it "being the first lengthy legal document to have been written in a continental Germanic language, instead of Latin." Sorry? The Low Franconian Salic Law? Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 19:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That was written in latin. 178.24.247.123 (talk) 14:14, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme simplification 

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