Talk:Daniel De Leon

message: What reference is there for the accent over the o in DeLeon? 
::::It's a Spanish surname, hence the accent. He was Western Sephardic. Not all Jews have Yiddish/German names, you know!JBDay 16:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but did he use that spelling - I've just checked Library of Congress Authorities and they have his name without the accent (but otehr DeLeon's with) - I propose we move the page.  Also, use is inconsistent, it's in the article title, but not used throughout.--Red Deathy 08:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is common practise in the USAmerica, not so much other Anglo-centric countries, to ignore accent marks and related such as the tilde. For example, how often do you see the ship of Columbus spelled with the proper tilde "Niña" instead of the actually different word "Nina?" Perhaps more research is necessary.JBDay 19:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DeLeon

message: Would someone please explain how DeLeon was an advocate of Lasalle's Iron Law of Wages? if not, I'm going to remove that passage.Thank You.JBDay 21:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored it, with citation, I think several authors on him make the same claim, it's not original, I'd have to read further.--Red Deathy 08:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the basis for saying that DeLeon advocated LaSalle? I've read that before, reference 1, and I don't see any sort of thing that would even begin to prove that. So DeLeon was not a militant reformer such as Lenin, that didn't make him a LaSallean. I'll have to find something contradicting that suggestion myself and then post the link. I'll take out the scurrilous reference when I can find something specifically contradicting it.JBDay 20:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in the context of the discussion, the argument that teh workers are going to be unable to raise their wages - in the long run - above an objective value amounts to Lassaleanism.  Now, DeLeon was radical in that for him this meant that you had to abolish the wages system, there was little scope for struggling within it for higher wages.  I think there are secondary sources that opinion, and they may be better to include.  Have a look at girrard & Perry (if you can chase down a copy), I think they may cover it, I'll check out some of my books at home.--Red Deathy 14:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Iron Law of Wages

message: DeLeon??  If DeLeon then Marx as well, right?  Then we all advoate the iron law of wages, right?  Just what is the specifc parameter that supposedly triggers this designation? Davesearles 22:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, as it happens, there is a good Wikipedia answer to this, this interpretation could be considered original research unless a citable author has made the same inferrance from te text (Maybe Perry & Gerard?).  I'm sure I've seen it made elseplace but here, so maybe the section could be removed per WP:OR but maybe not, editors, you decide - be bold!--Red Deathy 08:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Mike, I'd have thought that due balance would necessitate inclusion of that point, specifically as DeLeon's most significant feature is his attitude to trade unions (and I suspect that his debate with Connolly would be what most Deleonists would remember him for).  I'll cogitate on a rewording--Red Deathy 11:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Mike, I've bolded some key phrases - the thrust of DeLeon's argument is that price increases will off-set wage rises, and in the long run wages will be depressed to their value - what he leaves out is Marx' account of how the value of wages has a cultural element derived from the class struggle.  Tehre is a wikilink in the article to the iron Law of Wages.--Red Deathy 13:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron law of wages?? 

message: How the does disagreement with the above make DeLeon Lasallean? Connolly went back to Ireland as a nationalist, not a socialist who disagreed with DeLeon.JBDay 02:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Connolly went back as a nationalist and a revolutionary socialist, a characterization that Lenin, among others, recognized.  Tom Cod (talk) 05:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Connolly

message: In reading Ginger's bio of EV Debs, it is made clear that a huge portion of the American left considered him not only a competitor, but a positive threat.
I came here looking for some background, but to no avail.
Anyone with better sources wanna take a stab at it?
184.17.171.22 (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy/Rivalry