Talk:Conqueror (tank)

message: Conqueror
Country Of Origin:United Kingdom
Designation:Main Battle Tank
Configuration:Track
Manufacturer: Vickers
Length: 39ft
Width: 13' 1"ft
Height: 10' 5"
Weight: 65 t
Ground Clearance: mm
Trench: 11' 
Speed:  21 mph (road) mph (off-road)
Range: 65 miles cross country 
Primary armament: L1 120mm rifled gun 
Secondary armament: 2 x .30 MG
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Power plant: Rolls Royce M120 
Crew: 4 
I have changed the info-box to a more current one (the original is at right) and added an image of the vehicle Ian Dunster 12:28, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're correct.--MWAK 19:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Info-box

message: The article mentions that the gun was a US design, but does not name it. Is it safe to assume it was the M58, also used on the M103? Maury 12:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Conqueror was officially just 1 km/h slower than the Centurion? In the Dutch Army the latter tank was known as the "Old Lady" :o).--MWAK 12:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am worried about the addition, actually. In general terms, all else being equal, the handling of a tank is generally a combination of three factors; the suspension system, the power to weight, and the ground pressure. In this case I'm sure that the Conqueror has less P-2-W, I'm pretty sure the suspension was similar, and I don't really know about the last one. Top speed of a vehicle, on the other hand, is essentially a function of the total power. So while it is not surprising to find that it had a similar speed as the Centurion (which had less power) I still find it very difficult to believe it could be considered similarly or even more maneuverable. And that's the way it reads now -- after saying the exact opposite only a few lines earlier! Maury 15:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, all else being equal a higher absolute power would of course result in a higher top speed. Power to weight ratio is essential, but I assume the Centurions the Conquerors actually worked with in the sixties were upgunned and uparmoured vehicles, with probably a lower ratio and structurally overloaded suspensions. In my experience it's often the transmission and steering system that account for much of the agility — or lack of it — in the field. And: no worries, I remember the higher agility being mentioned in Rob Griffin's Conqueror :o)--MWAK 19:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  With regard to the to suspension and ground pressure, the Conqueror has a completely different suspension system to the Centurion, consisting of eight independently sprung small wheels mounted in paired bogies.  Also the track was of a diffent, wider, design to that of the Centurion.  Unfortunately I don't know the specific ground pressure of the Conqueror, but it wouldn't be all that surprising if it was the same or even slightly loower than that of the Centurion.  Getztashida 12:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The gun... 

message: I'm just wondering whether this section should be deleted entirely? It serves no real purpose, since the fact that the Conqueror never went into battle could simply be placed in the main history of the tank. The rather blunt "None" under the "Combat History" title is superfluous.Cig1705 23:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be replaced with an Operational History section.--MWAK 08:17, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combat History 

message: There is an apparent conflict between this article and that on the US M103. There is another conflict within this article.
The article on the M103 states WRT the gun, "...the M103's cannon was a rifled gun firing a fixed round, ejecting a lengthy brass shell casing (34.69 inches in length for the AP rounds/Armor Piercing)[6]."
This one says, "The gun design was American, the same as used on the US M103 heavy tank; with separate charge and projectile, as would also be the case in the Chieftain that followed. The charge was not bagged but in a brass cartridge,"
OK, I do know from personal experience that the Chieftain has separate charge and projectile with no - no -case of any sort.
So...
Was the M103's gun ammo fixed (in other words, a one-piece item not designed to be taken apart) or semi-fixed, like current 105mm howitzers (which have a brass case, but the gunners remove as many bags of propellant as required before replacing the projectile)?  Or is it separate like the Chieftain?  Was the Conqueror's gun like the one or the other or neither?
Don't know, me, but this just doesn't ring true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.222.246.177 (talk) 02:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that the Conqueror/M103 gun didn't use bagged charges, it was a novel implementation for the later Chieftain , and isn't mentioned about the Conqueror anywhere I can find - bagged charges, or removable bags from a cartridge would have been a notable enough to mention.  Hohum (talk) 14:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  120mm gun 

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