Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 4

message: Was Ireland given ODI status ? =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:55, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
: No. The WI match wasn't even List A. See http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/misc/1/misc1267.html (the 'misc' in the file name indicates that it isn't first class ('f') or List A ('a') ) Tintin 07:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ireland cricket 

message: I have 'Wisden Book of Cricketers' Lives', which is a collection of Wisden obituaries till 1984. If I can be of any help with cricketers' whose obituaries are not available in the Cricinfo player pages,  please drop me a word here Tintin 18:23, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wisden Obituaries

message: I have made an attempt documenting the career of Ravi Shastri. Please edit and enhance it, and feel free to cricticise. The section about his time in Glamorgan has been left out for the time being, mainly because I know nothing about it. 
Thanks, Tintin 06:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review Request - Ravi Shastri 

message: I noticed that the article on Shane Warne needs some help. It is very unbalanced at the moment — it has plenty on his scandals, but a derisory amount on his career. I've at least tidied it up a bit, but unfortunately I haven't got time to write the necessary new material at the moment. Anyone fancy having a go? Stephen Turner 09:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shane Warne 

message: This is a newbie question. I must have been discussed here before, in which case please point me to the appropriate thread.
Some articles use photos from BBC under fair use policy. Since Cricinfo pictures are never used, I guess that their usage is not fair. Why is it so ? Using a picture from Cricinfo doesn't seem to violate the four rules mentioned in Fair use
Now, if using a cricketarchive pictures like this is not fair, suppose if I write to them and IF they grant permission for use with an article, will that make the use fair ? Tintin 10:08, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has (stupidly, in my opinion, but there we are) now disallowed the use of 'with permission' images: . --Ngb 10:25, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  But the copyright holder could allow it to be licensed under a Wikipedia-compatible licence. It's just when it's only allowed to Wikipedia that there are problems. Stephen Turner 10:29, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Cricinfo doesn't own its profile photos. They are from Getty Images, and I'm sure cricinfo has only paid for its own use of the photos, not to allow third parties to use them. 82.35.232.72 10:31, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: To answer your general question, IANAL, but as far as I can see, the rules for fair use are rather restricted, and widely abused. In my opinion, it's almost always not worth trying to rely on a claim of fair use. I'm not sure which articles use BBC images, but BBC images would not qualify in general, even if they could in particular situations. Stephen Turner 10:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found some helpful discussions on this at Wikipedia_talk:Image_sleuthing#10_point_plan_for_judging_fair_use. and Wikipedia_talk:Image_sleuthing#Fair_Use_Frustration Stephen Turner 10:43, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: Thanks. I guess the summary is that, for someone who was a player till recently, unless you are able to take a photograph yourself, you can't use one :-( Tintin 14:25, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use