Talk:Amnesty International

message: Dear users @Mahadoc and @LilianaUwU, about "systematically lobbying pro-Russian interests": there is indeed a controversy on the last Ukraine report, for example, see NPR, but one should formulate it much more carefully (please keep in mind that AI published a dozen of reports critisizing Russian war crimes in Ukraine). Could you propose a text here? Please avoid using heaps of news articles from Ukraine and use instead some more in-depth RS. Wikisaurus (talk) 17:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, those on the receiving end of Amnesty reports always find them objectionable. Amnesty is also green at RSP. Selfstudier (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we use these sorces?
#  https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-amnesty-internationals-ukraine-report-putins-propagandists-kcf3m5ww0
#  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/06/amnesty-now-utterly-morally-bankrupt/
#  https://www.euronews.com/2022/08/06/amnesty-internationals-ukraine-chief-quits-in-protest-at-russian-propaganda-report
#  https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/08/06/amnesty-international-in-turmoil-after-publication-of-its-report-on-the-war-in-ukraine_5992721_4.html
Please help to write it in the correct way. Mahadoc (talk) 14:27, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

text: by , and especially the edit summary (I checked the edit summary more than the actual details of the edit), look fully justified to me. If someone wants to shift this to a new section of Criticism of Amnesty International (which needs some restructuring for consistency), or, after waiting to see how WP:NOTABLE this report becomes, to an individual article, then in that case the less significant blabla by keyboard pundits and "analysts" (in the academic specialty of "knowledge") might be justifiably included as "Reactions" (current events typically get long sections with blabla reactions by politicians "that was a bad thing", which eventually get compressed or compressed+split). However, currently, best restrict to the more significant information, such as , as Wikisaurus said. I would just clarify the second point to criticism by qualified experts. Even in the hypothetical case of Callamard resigning under grassroots pressure, it's not clear that this would justify a separate article, although it would strengthen the event's notability in relation to the history of Amnesty International. Boud (talk) 17:55, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Informal survey: It doesn't make sense to have roughly equal length sections in both Amnesty International and Criticism of Amnesty International on the issue of the Ukraine "UA forces endangering civilians report". One of these should have the more detailed summary of key points; the other should have a brief summary and cross-reference. If (and it's a big if, which is why I bolded it) Callamard resigns in response to the controversy, then keeping a detailed section here might be justified, since grassroots pressure and a resignation "at the top" is a significant event in an organisation's existence (whether a government, a ministry or an NGO). However, I would tend to go for the putting the detailed info into the Criticisms article and the summary here. So to maximise the chance of convergence, I'll make that the proposal and people can Support/Oppose with reasons. and any others interested: Proposal: the main detailed section for the controversial Ukraine report should be the section Criticism of Amnesty International#Report on placement of Ukrainian forces in civilian areas and only a brief summary (with references) and cross-reference with  should remain in the section Amnesty International#Ukraine. Boud (talk) 10:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

text: *Support (proposer) Amnesty International is half a century old and will likely continue for many more decades, so shifting (and integrating) the detailed content to the Criticism article and keeping/creating a summary here is a lot more sustainable and more likely to satisfy WP:DUE than the other way around. If Callamard resigns, then in proportion to the topic of Amnesty International as a whole, it will still not be justified to have a long section here; the details would still make more sense in the Criticism article. Boud (talk) 10:00, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

text: * Support, but in my opinion the resignation in protest by the Ukrainian branch director, admission of fault by German and Canadian local branches, and specific public criticism by number of international experts already elevate this to a significant event. —Michael Z. 15:45, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

text: *Support Whether the Ukraine report turns out to be more significant than all the Russian reports over time remains to be seen. And whether either of those things are really significant for Amnesty overall, the same. Selfstudier (talk) 16:16, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

text: *Support I shortened this section a little per consensus above. My very best wishes (talk) 04:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine report 

message: This section does not appear to be cited at all, save for one reference to a web page where Amnesty International endorses the film Blood Diamond, without any reference to an Artists for Amnesty program.
I am unable to find any sources for this myself, though admittedly this was only through a quick Google search. I did find an Artists for Amnesty blog on the Amnesty International UK website, and so I wouldn't discount the possibility that secondary sources exist documenting this program, but without that, as I understand it, the whole section would not be considered notable enough for inclusion.
More straightforward is the list of films apparently endorsed by Amnesty: any of them for which a citation can't be found should absolutely be removed. Notably, I find it unlikely that Amnesty International has endorsed a film such as Django Unchained: that film was high profile and controversial enough that I'd assume an explicit endorsement would be well reported. Not impossible, but the kind of claim that begs for a citation.
I'd edit it myself, but I am (quite rightfully) not considered qualified enough. Battle1368 (talk) 15:24, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artists for Amnesty