Talk:Time Cube/Archive 12

message: :Result of RfAr: In the month of July, 2005, a request for arbitration was left open concerning this article.  Both sides were allowed to express their viewpoints.  Afterwards, the arbitrators made the following comments.  Please leave this section here for reference; any changes will be removed.
* Accept Fred Bauder July 7, 2005 22:39 (UTC)
* Accept ➥the Epopt 23:08, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

message: I removed Gene Ray says that he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia by a psychiatrist whom he believes to be evil. which was added by Brentt. Where did he say this? TimeCube.com states that My wisdom so antiquates known knowledge, that a psychiatrist examining my behavior, eccentric by his academic single corner knowledge, knows no course other than to judge me schizoprenic. which obviously doesn't imply the first claim. Secondly, why not keep detailed comments about his health on Gene Ray, where there already is a correct description of the quote from the webpage under Ray's Mental Health. -- Woseph 20:15, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schizophrenia 

message: I'm thrilled you guys have gotten ahold of my little essay. I have to say I was feeling a bit cynical about the whole academic thing when I wrote it. (My university wants me to write articles, but doesn't much care what they're about.) The poster who accuses me of not perceiving irony should realize that I was smiling the whole time I wrote it. Which is worth something, I guess.
Yes, it is technically "peer-reviewed", but not necessarily by experts on that subject (whatever this one would be, I don't know--popular culture I guess). Also, the revised versions don't get re-reviewed. I do recall one reviewer saying that it should be set apart somehow from the other articles in the journal, to show that it was done a bit tongue-in-cheek, but that suggestion wasn't followed. 
The thing about Hipparchus is, his discovery of the precession of the equinoxes caused a major religious upheaval in the Greco-Roman world. Gene Ray kind of reminds me of that (there's even an ancient parallel for the Three Equators), except of course that it's mainly him whose mind is being boggled, so to speak.
Oh yes, I do think Time Cube has generated a surprising amount of critique. Not from scientists, of course (at least not in their capacity as scientists), but mainly from people like me who are fascinated by Dr. Ray's inimitable style and worldview. (Doesn't it surprise anyone else that so many people--laughing or not--would be paying attention to this?)
On what to do with the Wikipedia article, my inclination would be to keep "Time Cube" (both theory and website) and "Gene Ray" entries separate, and to make this division a bit more efficient. But, I don't have a strong opinion about it.
God I wish I could see that movie ("Above God.") Probably won't come to the film festivals here, though. Alas!
--Bei Dawei
:Hi Bei Dawei. The reason Time Cube gets so much publicity is because it's true and because Dr Ray is the wisest human ever. If you would like to see video of him in action, the Time Cube DVD may serve well. Also, see Cubic Awareness Online for further Cube-explanation. You must seek Time Cube.
:: The poster who accuses me of not perceiving irony should realize that I was smiling the whole time I wrote it. Which is worth something, I guess. Well, this is certainly interesting. You don't get the author of a cited work swinging by too often (and yes, the anon posted from a proxy associated with the university, so I believe this is Dawei). I retract that accusal: didn't get the subtle irony of the work (apparently, neither did TimeCubeGuy). But we're here to talk about the Wikipedia article, so you can sorta ignore the above comment (we're not here to talk about Time Cube).
:: I'm not exactly sure who proposed the merge, but It seems User:Metaeducation has been doing some major rewrites of the article recently. He hasn't stepped on anyone's toes yet, so we'll have to see where this turns out. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 01:40, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bei Dawei says Hi

message: For posterity the link is here.
*External link: Time Cube forum
The headings of talk pages are for links to archived conversation, and related archival pages scattered throughout Wikipedia pertaining to the article (aka former AfDs, requests for Peer Review). It is hard to justify the inclusion of a link that 1) is external and 2) does not offer meaningful insight into the article (not to be confused with the topic). — Ambush Commander(Talk) 00:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Cube forum

message: User:Sam Spade has in this edit had added back the disputed bullet list content that had been the subject of a vicious content war earlier. Personally, I don't really care anymore, after all of MetaEducation's edits, it would be nice to see Gene Ray redirecting to Time Cube. Sam Spade is an established, if not slightly controversial, contributor to Wikipedia, so I shall assume good faith. It would be appreciated, however, if he gave his reasons for the readdition of this disputed content. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 21:12, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My reasons are simple. I read this article months ago and learned what Gene ray was talking about. Yesterday I brought up this page in front of 2 non-wikipedians intending to show them what gene ray was talking about. I was shocked and embaressed to find the content in question had been removed. I immediately scoured the history, and found the information I had been expecting, and reinserted it. I see no reason for it having been removed, but I am willing to discuss its inclusion. As an aside, I think Gene Ray redirecting here might be ok. Sam Spade 22:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the place to analyze and interpret the philosophy, so if there is going to be an extensive section providing details of the theory...it is more appropriate to use some categorized quotes like this.  The way Time Cube is presented on the Gene Ray article seems like a tarpit, and I think it's best to move away from that and keep this article a little more to-the-point...as I think the opinion of both Gene's supporters and detractors is that the material speaks, largely, for itself. Metaeducation 04:34, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's been added back again 

message: The following snippets were deleted from the article:
:Ray and his Time Cube theory are also the subject of the documentary "Above God" by Memphis director Brett Hanover. While Gene will not allow a commercial release, the film has won several awards at southern film festivals.
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:*"Above God", a documentary on Gene Ray and Time Cube
By anon User:24.92.139.189. Similar changes happened on Gene Ray. It appears that the anon sought to remove information about this documentary, but its notability was dubious from the start, so I'm not reverting the edits yet. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 22:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the blog doesn't seem to exist anymore, so that's that, I guess. — Ambush Commander(Talk) 17:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: There was a dispute over the contents of the movie between the directer and Gene Ray. So the   director in the end gave up on the release. So i guess he went all the way and took the blog down as well King Mob 18:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon Deletions