Talk:South Eastern Trains

message: There should surely be a little more than one sentence to show the complete list of services operated by this TOC! Even if it is only taken from here it would make more sense of the operations by SET. Some of the individual lines are articled - eg Chatham Main Line; Kent Coast Line (although those two are virtually one and the same: the latter trains don't start at Faversham as the article suggests); Medway Valley Line; the three routes to Dartford, and several more of the suburban lines. They should all be capable of being mentioned here. 
I also find it odd that the 'real' main line operating out of Charing Cross by SET - the line to Ramsgate via Tonbridge & Ashford - appears to have no article at all! Perhaps that is because the lines are NOT delineated here in the way I suggest above? Peter Shearan 19:04, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More Main Line Talk

message: The article states "82% of passenger traffic to London." - Is this fragment saying that 82% of their passenger traffic is to London, or that they handle 82% of all traffic to London? (The first seems far more likely, but I'm not going to change it without a reference.)
:It means 82% of their passengers start or end their journey in London. MRSC 11:37, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the South Eastern Trains website they run 1700 trains a day, 1400 of which run to and from London. This equates to 82% --Jamesedmo 10:22, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passenger Traffic 

message: The "rolling stock" section need editing / rephrasing. Since the phasing out of slam doors / arrival of Electrostars its primarily Electrostars (375s and 376s) and a few Networkers (465 and 466). As far as i know / have seen there aren't any 508s about. Any edit should also mention previously operated rolling stock as well as a nod to the Integrated Kent Franchise and its new Bullet Commuter Trains (whatever they are going to be called). 84.68.63.54 21:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prehaps we need the style of the southern page (Southern (train operating company)) see below for a draft --Pickle 17:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sources for tables details are cobbled together from across wikipedia. the details of the routes operated on the 508 page were inaccurate and said "mostly" so that wasn't much help. more data from http://www.setrains.co.uk/SETrains/CompanyInfo/SouthEasternFacts/ --Pickle 19:40, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The rest of what was here (drafts of "Current fleet" and "Past fleet") has been moved into the article, and I've moved 508s from current to past as i can find no details of them being currently operated by SET Pickle 14:03, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rolling Stock

message: This section is a) incorrect and b) woefully inadequate
        Main lines
        South Eastern Trains run four main lines, two to the Kent coast:
        
        through Tonbridge to:- 
        Ashford and Dover Priory 
        Tunbridge Wells and Hastings 
        through Maidstone East to Ashford and Canterbury 
        through Chatham and the north Kent coast 
        There is also the Medway Valley Line, linking with the North Downs Line to Reading.     
Firstly it needs to state service originating form London termini ie Victoria, Charing X, Blackfrias, Cannon Street and London Bridge. 
Secondly while i appreciate SET makes the distinction between metro and "normal" service, we on the wikipedia rail service also have added the rural line category, which rightly or wrongly includes (currently) the Medway Valley Line
On the main line front;
* part needs to redone to simply the London - Ashford- Dover Line and Hastings Line
* the service via Maidstone east to Ashford (needs an article) - does it then carry on to Dover or Canterbury West (or Margate / Ramsgate) ???
* Chatham Main Line and "north Kent coast" or Kent Coast Line are ONE! the trains divide at faversham, part going to dover priory and part to ramsgate. see discussion at Talk:Chatham_Main_Line 
* services from Medway (starting from Gillingham?) via North Kent Line - are these not a main line? / the North Kent Line article needs some review (its more the section of track rather than a reflection of the services), seperating out the metro from main line service.
::On a browse of the SET amgazine archives the 2004 issue (PDF) lists the lines getting the Class 375 electrostars and describes the lines getting them as "costal and mainline services". The line listed are;
              * "Coast to London via Chatham"
              * "Chatham Weald (Faversham, Gillingham, Longfield)"
              * "Coast to London via Ashford/Tonbridge"
              * "Hastings to London"
              * "Sevenoaks/Tonbridge/Ashford/Tunbridge Wells Weald"
::Three are recognisable as routes lsited above while the 2nd and 5th confuse me (i assume the 2nd is the stopper service on the "Coast to London via Chatham" or Chatham Main Line. Anyway this clears up the Chatham Main Line / Kent Coast Line debate, to an extent. Pickle 20:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with everything you say, but to be honest there's no point updating this page given that SET will cease to exist from April.  All you have said above should be done on Govia or the new page whenever they announce the exact franchise name.   Deano (Talk) 17:12, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In theory it will be the same rolling stock and routes (well new one when the CTRL is opened) and i image this data will migrate en mass to the IKF page like this data once migrated from Connex South East to this SET page. Cheers Pickle 19:40, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Recent updates have been more data to the routes and rolling stock. Pickle 20:43, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: The 508s haven't been withdrawn. Our Phellap 14:14, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed back! - more info on this would help Pickle 05:09, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Train routes

message: "ENDSMEET8.JPG"  is a nice photo, showing something different
"375609_at_London_Victoria"  is perhaps what is really desired - a shot of a train in a station, but as mentioned [Talk:Southeastern (train operating company)|elsewhere] it doesn't explicitly show its a "South Eastern Trains" train (and for that matter we're also laking a "South Eastern" photo
I'm sure we've had several reverts over the photos issue so debate away the various merits ....
Nosing at User:Our Phellap/Gallery and [trains on wikipedia commons] doesn't IMHO turn up what we're looking for. Pickle 00:19, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos