Wikipedia talk:Polish Wikipedians' notice board/Archive5

message: It may be of interest to some Polish Wikipedians to know that Alex Bakharev has been re-nominated for adminship.  Please, participate.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 19:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: RfA

message: Dear established Polish editors! 
Homolka is a Polish name because it’s similar to Gomułka. It’s a well sourced self-proving fact, and even the Bohemian Homolka dynasty cannot change it. Therefore a Karla Homolka – the Canadian serial killer is a 100% ethnic Pole. Aaron Kosminski, another serial killer though from England, born a Polish Jew somewhere in half of 19th century in the Russian Pale, was actually an ethnic Pole born to Catholic parents who baptised him Aaron, because… YES! because it was trendy in their neighbourhood. No less than 53 American boxers, wrestlers and American football players are all famous Poles because they have perfectly Polish sounding surnames. Andy Warhol was a Pole like every decent Ruthenian born in Slovakia. Those hateful people who didn’t have enough courtesy to choose names with “ski” suffix are no longer on the list. So Brzechwa, Tuwim, Leśmian had to go. But don’t worry, the list of famous Poles is today longer than ever, and every day more and more new pleasant Polish surnames comes. Those and many other awesome facts you can learn from the article List of Poles and it’s talk.
Now, if you think that I lost my mind, you’re probably right. So, please, save my sanity and VOTE!!! Talk:List_of_Poles#Voting.
To była reklama!
Seriously though, of course you’re welcome to vote as you wish. I just prefer to have a clear consensus whatever way than keep the senseless discussion there.--SylwiaS | talk 09:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ouch and tnx for spotting this. To all who have not yet visited this page: do so! We seem to have a 'hijacker' (troll?), going by User:Informationguy, who seems bent on, well, creating his own defintion of 'Pole'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homolka = Gomułka 

message: There's been a search on for a free use photo to illustrate our featured article Michel Foucault since last May.  It strikes me that it might be relatively easy to find something from Foucault's brief stay at Warsaw University in 1958 published without a clear copyright notice; if so, then :Template:PD-Poland would apply.--Pharos 07:08, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be easy to find it if someone republished one of the pictures lately, but I didn't find any. The only place which for sure has all the old newspapers is our National Library . You can email them at the address: biurozam@bn.org.pl It would be good to know the exact date of his visit to help them find a relevant paper. They can make a digital photo at request for 7 złoty = about $2.--SylwiaS | talk 19:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, there is nothing online - I searched the Polish net a few days ago and came back blank.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Michel Foucault]] at Warsaw University 

message: Does anybody have an idea where I could find number of Poles that were murdered by SU during WW2 ?
--Molobo 12:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disgusting. --Ghirla | talk 13:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What so disgusting about it? The fact, that Soviets have murdered few hundreds thousand of Polish citizens?
Na Talk:World War II casualties Bernd122 podaje:
        
        Estimated losses -Soviet occupation-400,000 (including Poles in Soviet Army as
        well as Soviet terror) 
        
        Estimated losses -UPA terror-100,000-Poles massacred by Ukrainian forces.       
Opiera sie na:
Both articles appeared in the Polish Journal Dzieje Najnowsze # 2- 1994
Czesław Łuczak - Szanse i trudności bilansu demograficcznego Polski w latach 1939-1945
Krystyna Kersten- Szacunek strat osobowych w Polsce Wschodniej
Szopen 13:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The number of Poles murdered by Soviet Union

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_European_Gas_Pipeline
It would be nice if somebody would look at this article.Explanations as to the nature of Central European objections to the projects are constantly deleted by users Ghirlandajo and Voyevoda(who declares his mission in Wikipedia is to correct the one-sided view of history maintained by Poles throughout the Wikipedia.)
I don't want to violate 3RR so all help in making the article objective and presenting Central European opinion is welcomed.
--Molobo 21:11, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Molobo, you've been told zillion times that invitations to revert warring are frowned upon. Please behave yourself. --Ghirla | talk 22:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: North European Gas Pipeline

message: There are some refreshing proposals on Talk:Slavic mythology. Everyone is welcome to comment. --Ghirla | talk 22:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, proposal is good, and what especially needed are now some volunteers with at least some knowledge of the subject to carry out the work. Unfortunately I know almost nothing about this particular area.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Slavic mythology]] redux 

message: There is currently a link to Rawa at Półkozic Coat of Arms; would I be correct in assuming it should be linked to Rawa Mazowiecka? Also, you might want to take a look at the promising work of the new contributor Lucasm at Żnin. Olessi 07:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Półkozic Coat of Arms 

message: I just want to notify you that I have purchased The Annals of Jan Dlugosz, in order to have access to the important sources on Romanian history, however, if someone is in need of sources on Polish history between 965 to 1480, let me know and I'll try to find out. The book is translated in English, which is great if you need relevant references. I will be busy for a few days with writing on Moldavian history articles, but I should be available for next week. --Anittas 11:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, my Romanian friend. You might have saved the expense you bemoaned, because Dlugosz is a very unreliable source who perpetrated a number of fantasies invented either by himself or others. See Lada and Lado for one thing. You'd better purchase some more recent and serious historian. Next time, before making such decisions, just ask me :) --Ghirla | talk 11:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ghirla, Dlugosz is not more or less reliable than any other XV century old historian. He has access to the sources we have not access to. He is quite reliable source, but you must remember he is not the oracle, he has made mistakes, but he is as reliable as any other XV century historian Szopen 13:41, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text:  I needed the sources to enrich my articles on Moldavian history. Some of his writings are exclusive in history. Many sources from different chronicles are exagerated or fantasies, but one can try to seperate what is accurate from what is false. Herodotus is called the father of history, but he is also called the father of lies. He was ridiculous in his theories of the sun, but his content is, nontheless, priceless. --Anittas 11:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't compare Herodotus with Dlugosz. Just don't take everything he writes for granted, and everything will be OK. --Ghirla | talk 11:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't either. Herodotus traveled a lot and interviewed many people, while Dlugosz was more settled. And yeah, it's always best to compare different sources. --Anittas 11:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  But you have just compared them :) sure, Herodotus is more famous, but Długosz is more important if one is studying Polish history. As Szopen writes, history then was not as reliable as today, as Ghirla notes it mixed with fables and stories. But for good or worse, this is the level of sources we get from that period - there is simply nothing better (in books). Anittas, I'd appreciate it if you could use the book you have now to expand the pitful stub on Długosz, and perhaps create an entry for the Annales themselves?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello, Polish friends! (about Jan Dlugosz) 

message: See Talk:Polish Biographical Dictionary for an ongoing book-naming discussion, and see Talk:Four Tank Men And A Dog for my related new question about tv series/films naming.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: I wonder if 12th century persona's like Agnes of Babenberg should be counted in that category. Especially as we seem to have a distinction between earlier :Category:Polish knights and :Category:Polish nobility, I'd rather see all personas from before 15th century moved to some other category then Polish nobility. Or perhaps we should go the other way around: move all 15th century nobles into a :Category:Szlachta? This is a tricky question, related to the 'when did szlachta became a distinct class, and what were it's predecessors (możni?)?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you think of creatin a :Category:Polish royalty for wives of Polish kings, some elected kings and others who would not really classify as Polish nobility = szlachta but had equal status and lived in Poland? Like Agnes from the above para, or Cecylia Renata...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have :Category:Polish queens consort and :Category:Polish monarchs. Appleseed (Talk) 22:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am afraid they don't solve majority of our problems. For convinience, I'll ist problematic entries below (I might have missed a few):--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:32, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

text: They were Polish Szlachta that later found its Russian nobility more appealing (being granted a princely title), but they were certainly Polish szlachta.  Interestingly, Mikołaj used the Białynia coat of arms which is Polish.--Milicz 23:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Shouldn't their naming convention not follow the same rules as that of Saint Raphael Kalinowski
I am still waiting for comments in this section... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timespan for [[:Category:Polish nobility]] 

message: It seems the user Jadger is expanding his activity from Wola(where he kindly informed us about the fact that hospital patients murdered by Nazis were rebels).Anyway he now edits more articles concerning Poland.It would be nice for people to watch out for further cases.
Also there is somebody using constant changing IP that edits Germanisation addding sentences like:
As they can make a lot of money there, many Polish players run for Bundesliga-Teams nowadys instaed of playing football at home. The Polish contribuation is appreciated, as the Germans are amused by the pronouciation of the players' names. On the other hand Polish truckdrivers deliberately try to exterminate Germanic people by using the wrong side of the Autobahn as this happend yesterday in Hesse.
Any help in protecting the article or trying to give sense to the person is welcomed.
--Molobo 12:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The power of propaganda. First of all, of course, Jadger never ever claimed that "hospital patients murdered by Nazis were rebels" so don't throw that at him to play on the emotions of the users here. Except for you who accuses him of being a Neo Nazi, the discussion on Talk:Wola seems to be good. The funny fight you and the anon on Germanisation was started by you. You and another anon insisted on the sentence "Polish players in teams from Germanic countries face discrimination and insults as shown by the example of Dietmar Kühbauer who refused to hold an interview with Adam Ledwon, saying he "stinks of Poland"." for eight reverts. I told you twice that when you claim that sentence to be true, you also have to prove that every Polish player faces discrimination and that you're sillily generalising from one uncommon example that is even irrelevant to the context. Of course you didn't reply. Now the anon strikes back and makes fun of you insisting on the sentences about the road incident and "In 2005 the Germans persuad the Polish-born Pope John Paul II to die. In a quick reaction and by secret treaties the Germans have German-born Josef Ratzinger elected his successor as Benedict XVI. Another perfect example of Germanisation." It's interesting that you distorted the incident to the extent that you're the poor hero, fighting wholeheartedly against the vandalism of an anon, when in reality you injected nonsense into the article to push the POV and lead another person to do the same. If you don't believe me, check on it and try to stop the war. I won't have time for wiki right now anyway. Sciurinæ 11:12, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent problems on Polish topics

message: See Talk:Offices in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - kanclerz or Chancellor (Poland)? Btw, for those opposed to voivodeship who want to change it into a province, how do you propose to rename voivode? :D Provincial? ;p --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Kanclerz" translates into English as "chancellor"; "wojewoda" — as "governor."  logologist|Talk 22:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then what about "gubernator"?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Context?  logologist|Talk 00:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: "Voivodship" is a common, accepted term--I'm surprised anyone wants to get rid of it.  Although it may be equivalent to "governor", it has a different origin and history.  I vote to keep it (along with "voivod", of course). Appleseed (Talk) 01:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official's naming 

message: On Salomon Morel article ?
http://www.ipn.gov.pl/odd_oboz_swiet_morel.html
I don't have time.And the article was filled with bizarre statements.For example they named Armia Ludowa as Polish Police officers and fascists.
--Molobo 01:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Can somebody take some time and translate information from IPN

message: I've removed the text below from the transport section in the Poland article. While it is quite funny, I'm not sure that it is encyclopedic, and I think it probably reflects original research. It is however an entertaining read. 
:*Foot: The furthest distance between two points in Poland is between Świnoujście and a point 15km South-East of Wołosate.  It is possible to walk this distance in 27 days, 8 hours and 15 minutes.  A shorter journey time can be achieved by not taking a day off to purchase more durable clothing in Kalisz and by not being laid up with a stomach virus in a hotel in Frysztak for another day.  It must be pointed out that the last 10km of the journey are not strictly speaking publicly accessible land, although it is possible to gain access to it subject to verbal authorisation from the border patrols.  The consequence of this is that any two places in Poland are within walking distance if there is a month available for the journey.
-- Adz|talk 22:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's not the 1st of April yet... WP:BJAODN?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yep, I've already put it there. see here -- Adz|talk 00:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  transport in Poland by foot

message: We've got new Polish trouble making user, known for his "actions" also on pl:wiki. Take wach on LUCPOL/SZPANER (e.g. his behavior in Talk:Poland and article it self. Radomil talk 22:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On a related note, I have to give a credid where due: . As far as POV pushing goes, this is pretty good :) Lol. I suggest keeping it with a proper caption explaining the stereotype of a 'Polish horse agriculture'. Some statistics how many horses are used in Poland now comapred to some past data would be nice.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problematic user

message: Polish-Russian dispute at Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovite Commonwealth.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments welcome

message: []-koncentruje swoje edyty na Prusach  zarówno państwowych jak i grupie etnicznej. Byłbym wdzięczny gdyby ktoś się przyjrzał-niektóre wyglądają na dziwny POV-jak na przykład że cała Polska była własnością Niemieckiego króla. Mam też wrażenie że widzialem podobnego użytkownika kiedyś na wiki.Mógłby ktoś zerknąć okiem ?
--Molobo 19:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prawdę mówiąc to było i przed moim przyjściem. To ponoć jakaś super-pro-Niemiecka POV puszerka, zbanowana z en-wiki? Jakie są cechy charakterystyczne tego trolla?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zbanowano ją bezsensownie, bo za Antysemityzm, co było nieporozumieniem i kretyństwem. Piotrusiu, przeczytaj dokładnie jej stronę, łącznie z jej wersją "historii" Prus i Polski , a będziesz miał wszystkie cechy charakterystyczne tej ciężko chorej (z nienawiści) osoby. Space Cadet 16:32, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dziwny user

message: Perełka w kontrybucji o wspólnych dziejach na miarę artykułu o Woli
:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrzesnia
Children that took part in the opposition were tried to be persuaded by Prussian teachers and punished as persuasion proved futile.
Ręce opadają...Ciekawe ile Polaków ukarano w GG za opór wobec perswazji...
--Molobo 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Molobo, if you like to engage in a dialogue with me concerning this statement, just do it, for example, here. I'm sure that my summary is more accurate than yours. Not even the original text uses the word 'torture'. It makes me a bit sick that instead of trying to discuss, you've lately only tended to revert and get other persons (Space Cadet) to do the same. Sciurinæ 17:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

text: How about the sentence by User:Sicherlich in the German-language Wikipedia: "Die zunehmende Germanisierung des Ortes stieß auf Widerstand der Einwohner. Großes Aufsehen erregte 1901 der Streik der Kinder gegen die Unterrichtung in deutscher Sprache. Der Streik breitete sich auf benachbarte Orte aus und führte auch zu Verhaftungen. Der Streik endete erst Ostern im Jahr 1904." (roughly translated as: the increasing Germanisation of the place met resistance with the residents. Great stir caused in 1901 the strike of the children against teachings in the German language. The strike spread over neighbouring places and also lead to arrests) ? Sciurinæ 18:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Najnowsza

message: Today Polish Wikipedia passed the 200,000 article mark.  It is now the 4th largest Wikipedia, after English, German and French. Balcer 00:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Happy 200,000 

message: Please comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Katyń massacre. I would expect this is going to generate some interesting discussion...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katyń FAC 

message: There is a proposal to rename the article anti-Polonism to Polonophobia on the talk page. Please voice your support or objections. alx-pl D 08:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming of [[anti-Polonism]] 

message: A very interesting discussion.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a recent, highly relevant article from Gazeta Wyborcza:  Balcer 18:32, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Democratic_peace_theory#Poland-Lithuania]]

message: Seems like another hotspot: . Other voices would be appreciated, as I don't want to revert Irpen, who is usually a reasonable contributor.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 05:22, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Polish-Lithuanian-Muscovite Commonwealth]] 

message: Since the potential of this new discussion is to remove all diactrics (Polish letters) from the titles, I think it is something worth keeping an eye at.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:41, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)]] 

message: Wymazania informacji o zbrodniach popełnionych przez żółnierzy niemieckich podczas Kampanii Wrześniowej,  tym razem w artykule:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_17th_Infantry_Division
--Molobo 22:20, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ponowna próba

message: To remove information about war crimes of Wehrmacht from the main article. I suggest moving it back again, you can discuss it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wehrmacht
--Molobo 02:02, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: There has been a recent attempt

message: Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this, but I found some articles that need Polish editors: Siva1979 has been uploading lots of articles from the 1911 Britannica, including some on Polish villages that were written at a time when they belonged to Germany. These articles need to be updated (or better, rewritten from scratch). So far I found Sokolowsko and Szczawno Zdrój (well, I renamed that one, hopefully to the correct name). If I find more, what should I do with them? Kusma (討論) 04:14, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for bringing this matter to us, this is definetly the right place for such matters. You may report those articles here, or at Portal:Poland/New_article_announcements#Articles.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 04:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took care of Sokołowsko. Maybe someone else can take Szczawno. Now it says: Szczawno Zdrój was formerly known as Salzbrunn, a watering-place of Germany, in the Prussian province of Silesia, at the foot of a well-wooded spur of the Riesengebirge, 30 m. S.W. of Breslau, by the railway to Halberstadt. LOL. Thanks Kusma!--SylwiaS | talk 06:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A general comment about the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica:  A few decades ago, it was sometimes described as the best edition of E.B. ever published.  After 95 years, it is clearly often out-of-date.  But what strikes me in the articles that have been imported from it into the Wikipedia is how opinionated — POV — it often is.  It reeks of Edwardian smugness.  If any of us wrote such an article today, it would immediately be challenged, thrown out or heavily revised.  (I've done the latter in a number of cases, e.g. with "Stanisław August Poniatowski.")  Material from the 1911 E.B. can be used, of course, but it must be done very judiciously.  logologist|Talk 06:59, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, the prose in these real encyclopedias is very nice, and we would do well to emulate it.  I hate to say it, but even many of the FA articles on WP sound like they were written by a high school student (or a committee of high school students :).  Take a look at Columbia Encyclopedia's "Poland" article (especially the "History" section), and compare it to ours. Appleseed (Talk) 13:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True.  There seems to be a kind of "reverse snobbism" at work, whereby some feel that there is something precious or pretentious in expressing things precisely and concisely.  It's often forgotten that there are differences between colloquial speech and formal written composition.   logologist|Talk 15:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is anything as complex as this at works here - I'd rather bet it is a simple case of many people not being that fluent with writing, compounded by the number of people for whom English is not a primary language (like yours truly :).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

text: A useful template in cases where information from 1911 Britannica is severely out of date is Template:1911POV. Balcer 17:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1911 Britannica articles about Polish villages 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bobby1011
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/How_to_deal_with_Poles
Rule number six: As soon as discussion is started, ask them for sources. Don't worry when they will provide you sources, they will be most likely written by Polish authors. Tell them that Polish authors are known by their dishonesty and bias. Demand English sources. In most unlikely scenario when you will be presented with English sources, you still have a chance. If the dispute is about history of, say, Germany, demand German sources as they will most likely know about history of their own country (and Germans are not Poles, so they won't be biased). If this is dispute about history of Poland, demand a book written by some totally neutral author, say, Chinese.
I piękny przykład.''
*I already gave you a book published by Ministry of Education of the Republic of Poland. You are claiming it is original reasearch ? 
*Of course I am''
Eh...jak komuś się chce męczyć to zapraszam.
--Molobo 14:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Znowu smutny przypadek How to deal with Poles

message: It is a redirect page that is proposed to be deleted . (Not the article, only the redirect.) I personally don't care, but if there are any reasons why it should stay or maybe be renamed, please, comment now.--SylwiaS | talk 22:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Guidelines for the spelling of names of Polish rulers]] 

message: Please, vote here . BTW Where else I should announce it?--SylwiaS | talk 01:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (proposal section, and the talk page). Also, Wikipedia:Requests for comments or Wikipedia:Current surveys may attact more people.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 03:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks!--SylwiaS | talk 04:15, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powiat & Co Vote 

message: We have a troll denying he was Polish. Usuall stuff, but some monitoring is needed before this vandal gives up and goes away.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:05, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nicolaus Copernicus]] 

message: Please guys, can you use the Portal:Poland/New article announcements? I find it really 1) helpful 2) interesting to know what has been created recently. I'd consider it a personal favour if you'd use that page...pretty please.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request by Piotrus 

message: Używanie wobec mnie obrażliwego seksualnie języka?
--Molobo 00:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring to this? Personally, I would have never addressed you in this way; and I would't really agree with the rest of the first sentence, either. However, quickly deleting the question and rushing to your own folks lamenting about "sexual harassment" doesn't strike me as a very sovereign response, but as infantile, to put it mildly. It looks like you are accusing people of sexism as rashly as of anti-Polonism... --Thorsten1 22:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gdzie zgłosić

message: In case not everyone reads Wyborcza: . The article Henryk Batuta in English Wiki is OK.--SylwiaS | talk 21:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting - tnx :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very interesting hoax, with a much more elaborate and affectionately created story than John Seigenthaler and the Kennedy assassination... Should such self-referential topics not be in the Wikipedia namespace, though? I feel that the article namespace should be about the "outside world", not about itself, although I would agree that the distinction is getting increasingly difficult to make. --Thorsten1 09:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henryk Batuta 

message: The millionth english wikipedia article is now less than 30 k away. The millionth article will probably get a lot of publicity so it would be a good idea if we tried to insert a well writen article on a polish topic as the 1 000 000 article. I know that the chances of achiving that are small but they are much bigger than during a lottery. Good luck Mieciu K 00:23, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I happen to be the surprized winner of the 500,000 article lottery. After learning about this I also learned that  at this moment it was a period of frenetic activity: people were hastily dumping pokemon, towns, and other serial content in a semi-bot style. So the chances will be really slim, unless you stash a thousand of prefabricated article stubs, wait for the proper moment and  dump them one per second. (I will no be surprized that this actually happened last time) mikka (t) 21:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Milionth topic 

message: Of good old times:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_%281939%E2%80%931945%29
Among the points that will delighten you is the fact that Poland wasn't under Soviet control after 1945(it was an indepedent state), nor did she gain independence in 1989.
I am waiting for the info about fascists AK...
Cheers :)
--Molobo 20:52, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: If you wish to enjoy a good breeze

message: I am hard pressed to see the difference between :Category:History of Poland (1939–1945) and :Category:Military history of Poland during World War II. After some thought I think that 'Military...' should be treated as a subcat to History cat, and so anything military related should be moved from Hist cat to Mil hist cat. Does it sound good?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:58, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate categories?

message: This article is in Polish. Could somebody please have a look at it and comment at WP:PNT#Jan Pietrzak about this article? Thank you, Kusma (討論) 16:53, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jan Pietrzak]] 

message: Due to an edit war, the article is now protected and a vote has been proposed on how to address the issue of Copernicus' nationality.  I invite everyone interested to participate. Balcer 01:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As do I. Since the issue is pretty strenous, I encourage everyone to vote in democratic spirit, as the issue is pretty much only of an ethno-nationalist-historical significance. Ksenon 03:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nicolaus Copernicus]] 

message: I think I forgot to post it here :) Feel free to vote, comment and especially - address the objections.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Warsaw Uprising]]

message: Wandal w artykule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Eastern_Marches_Society ciągle kasuje informacje, linki, czyni to bez żadnego już uzasadniania swych kasacji i pomimo tego że na talk już sprawa została wyjaśniona.
Proszę o pomoc bo nie chcę przekroczyć 3RR a wandal jest uporczywy oraz po prostu ignoruje żródła, dyskusje.
--Molobo 19:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wandal

message: Hello, I was wondering if anyone here is up to the task of recording a pronunciation  of the name Józef Teodor Konrad Korzeniowski for the Joseph Conrad article. The format should be .ogg, a good tool to use is Audacity 
--Obli (Talk)? 15:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting a pronunciation 

message: Move comments welcome.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 07:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Uršula Franciška Radzivił]]

message: I added a large section about History of the region, as to German atrocities during WW2. Anybody wishing to expand the information and the section is welcomed. Soon I shall add information about German atrocities in Mazury, Warmia,Greater Poland and Gdańsk as well.
--Molobo 14:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: German atrocities in region of Białystok Voivodship

message: If you want, take a look at User_talk:Piotrus#Image:Rydz-smigly_time_cover_September_11_1939.jpg_listed_for_deletion and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Ta bu shi da yu 2. We have already lost Wałęsa and Piłsudski's covers :( As much as this disappoints me, Ta bu is right that unless fair use are better described (see his reply to me on his RfC talk page) they should and will be deleted.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping TIME images related to Poland

message: I closed the vote County/Commune on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland. I think we should start another one for "województwa" soon. Please, if there is anything more you'd like to say about it, do it now. How about a week for that, and also giving your propositions of the options the vote should include, like voivodship, voivodeship, province etc, so that they all would be there when the voting starts.--SylwiaS | talk 17:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland#Województwa vote for my proposal (please don't vote yet, just comment on it). I included 3 most often raised issues (after the English/Latin vs. Polish issue is settled there will have to be a more specific vote as well). Ausir 17:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there are no more comments, I think we can start the new vote at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geography of Poland#Województwa vote. Please tell us what you think. Ausir 12:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  County/Commune Vote 

message: This current events page has been tagged to merge with Current events in the European Union. I updated it on 1 March, but as Polish news stories unfortunately do not receive much press coverage in the UK, it's really up to you if you want to keep it as a seperate page. Regards, Kurando | ^_^ 10:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Current events in Poland]] 

message: It's... hard to explain :) Enjoy :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wenedyk]] 

message: I have reworded the introduction to the Railways section at Transportation in Poland. It previously read like a travel guide. It is still focused too much on passenger transport. Would some people mind looking at it to see if a) it is accurate and b) whether it could be improved. Perhaps something mentioning freight. Is it a major form of intercity transport? It it really extensive? Also, is there an equivalent article in the Polish Wikipedia that a link can be provided to?... Thanks. -- Adz|talk 09:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Transportation in Poland]] - Comments requested 

message: Comment at Talk:Kazimierz_Pu%C5%82aski#Requested_move, please. And think Teddy Kosciuszko...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kazimierz Pułaski]] move to Casimir Pulaski 

message: Can someone take a look at this article?  I expected all the Polish wars to be at least stubs by now, but this one was created recently.  Googling "War of the Priests" returns some iffy sites. Appleseed (Talk) 21:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[War of the Priests]] 

message: Hi there, could you take a look at ? It seems he is someone's sock puppet currently on a Lithuanians' hunt spree. Halibutt 12:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lithuanian hunter 

message: We're trying to figure out whether the uprisings should be called Wielkopolska Uprising or Greater Poland Uprising.  Please vote at Talk:Greater Poland Uprising. Appleseed (Talk) 14:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powstanie Wielkopolskie 

message: I've notice that many of us gives that link in ours user pages. I have just noticed that it is candidate to speedy delete >:) What are we doing? Teraz po polsku jakby ktoś nie zrozumiał: co jest k*wa jego mać zasrana, jakiś rusek lewak czy nazi-szwab nas zaatakowoł za co mu musimy odpłacić chlebem i solą facką w pysk ;P  D T G 21:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Artykuł ten aktualnie przechodzi procedurę Requests for deletion, jeśli tylko ktoś chce aby link ten, który często widuję na Waszych stronach osobistych był dalej aktywny proszę o wsparcie w głosowaniu za keep ;) Pozdrawiam, D_T_G (PL) 22:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:meta:How to deal with Poles]] 

message: Personally I don't mind much, but more comments would be appreciated.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Cecylia Renata]] - move to [[Cecylia Renata of Austria]]

message: I am trying to compile all of Matejko's works that appear on WP in his gallery.  I'm still missing a few--mostly drawings of Polish monarchs that I thought I had come across before but can't seem to find now (e.g. Mieszko I).  If you know what happened to those images, I invite you to add them to the gallery. Appleseed (Talk) 15:44, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the impression some of them may have been removed from articles when (sometimes better) contemporaneous oil portraits were substituted for them; possibly some were deleted as allegedly unsourced or otherwise in violation of copyright(!).  But wouldn't Matejko's drawings and paintings then still be available in the Wiki iconographic depots?  logologist|Talk 15:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually prefer the drawings over the paintings.  Can you tell me how to find these depots? Appleseed (Talk) 02:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Check article's history, IIRC a few were deleted due to no image copyright tag or similar problem few months back. Remember to use  now.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 01:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matejko 

message: Since it seems that more and more of our pictures is threatened (see:  ), I have a question, and maybe someone of you can answer it. Can the EU law change our laws from 1952 and 1994? And how do we determine if an author in unknown? If i.e. an old picture was published in a Polish book without the name of its author, is that enough to assume that the author is unknown? Well, I think it is, but it's questioned (see:).--SylwiaS | talk 21:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I always thought that lex retro non agit.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issue 

message: Comments appreciated (Ghirla content dispute).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:30, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While contemporary Poland, before it brought in German settlers to urbanize it, could boast little more than a series of fortified cragie lumps with some mud-huts around them.
Is any comment needed ?
--Molobo 21:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good grief! :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Renaissance in Poland]] 

message: Does anybody know who and why deleted the Jedwabne Pogrom article? Mieciu K 22:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still there. Perhaps you got one of those weird database errors? Misza13 T C 22:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It must be it. Mieciu K 22:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jedwabne Pogrom deleted? 

message: After a lengthy debate which showed that there is no reason to doubt his nationality and vote that confirmed this one of the most active users  started to delete every sentence that mentions Kopernik was Polish. He also claims that Gdańsk wasn't part of Poland but of Saxony hereDanzig Research Society
--Molobo 02:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The same with Johannes Hevelius. mikka (t) 02:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, it does seem that User:Sciurinæ and User:Matthead have embarked on a campaign to eliminate "Polish POV" from Wikipedia (just two example diffs from only the last hour:  and ). Since they are doing this almost daily now, I invite the participants in this forum interested in Polish-German topics to have a look at their edits once in a while. Balcer 03:24, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mikołaj Kopernik under attack