Talk:Big Boy Restaurants

message: As the article mentions, the Big Boy name, while starting at Bob's, became familiar to most Americans through the many franchises (JB's, Shoney's, Elias', Frisch's, ...).  Indeed, current chain has more in common with Elias' than Bob's.    Should we move the page to just plain Big Boy? -- Kaszeta 16:13, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, after I added all the names I could google, it is clear that Bob's Big Boy is inadequate. MPS 16:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done.  It is now Big Boy (Restaurant).  I'll do some copy editing to the page as well. -- Kaszeta 16:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since when is Shoney's a Big Boy franchise?  In the area where I grew up, we had both Shoney's and Big Boy.  Not only was there no apparent affiliation between the two, but they were completely different in restaurant type.  66.126.191.98 20:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: 66 223.123.31.146 (talk) 22:34, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to [[Big Boy]]?

message: is there any big boy restaurant still open anywhere today? where?
-- Reply: Yes, in Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, Ohio, North Carolina and North Dakota. (See official website) DUden (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  location today 

message: Removed MI and TN and added WV and PA in Frisch's info. section. Frisch's has never had a location in MI or TN.  Elias Brothers had MI sewed up as tight as a drum for years, and Shoney's, not Frisch's was the franchisor for TN.71.244.163.156 07:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Franchises 

message: Mady's was not a franchisee so I moved it out of the list but retained it at the bottom with additional info. 
I tweaked my own copy re Elbys slightly.
I revised copy in the leading paragraphs to better clarify the issue of named franchisees vs franchisees. Because a unit has a sign with Big Boy without any name preceding it does not mean it isn't owned by a franchisee. For example, in Bismarck, ND McDowell's Big Boy is (now) signed and advertised simply as Big Boy. I believe a few other previously named franchisees now operate sans their name, either simply as Big Boy or Bob's Big Boy. These are the choices BBI allows.
Does Big Boy of Florida belong in the franchisee list? The list is of "named" franchisees—their names added to Big Boy. This regional identity is part of the lore of Big Boy. Besides there have been and are countless franchisees who operated as Frisch's Big Boy or Shoney's Big Boy etc.
I have produced logos in .svg format for 19 of the historic franchisees which I hope to post soon. I still need logos for Becker's, Kebo's, Ken's, McDowell's, Ted's, (Mark's, if distinct from Marc's) and anything else not mentioned. If anyone has examples of these please speak up!
May revise the special sause / tarter sauce comment, discovering that Manners used yet another distinct sauce. Re bleu cheese dressing, Elby's simply added crumpled bleu cheese to a 50/50 mix of commercial bleu cheese dressiong and french dressing as I recall. 
Box73 (talk) 22:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Other Franchises 

message: There has never been any reference to using "sea salt" in the consturcion of an Elias Brothers Big Boy.71.244.163.156 07:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction 

message: I dropped the Frisch's burger recipe due to the recent addition of the Frisch's article.  I've also dropped the Frisch's commerical article due to the same reasons also.  Spongefan 2:04, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Frisch's Section Added 

message: The Frisch's article is too big and long to merge with the the Big Boy article.  Besides, Frisch's has its own history which is way different from Big Boy's even though they are the same in ways.  If someone could add a couple of pictures and little more to the Firsch's article is greatly appreciated.  Spongefan 14:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion to the merger of the Frisch's articles to Big Boy 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Bobs-big-boy-34.4.jpg

message: There is currently a Florida Exclusive Franchise that is not indicated.  Currently 2 stores exist East of Orlando and one is under construction in Winter Haven.  I will try to find time to locate the references in the news and on www.bigboyflorida.com and add this info when I have a chance. --Tralfaz (Ralraz, yech) 13:10, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the Big Boy of Florida franchise information along with the reference to the article from which I obtained this information.  I am wondering if it is OK that I made the name in the list a link to the company website? --Tralfaz (Ralraz, yech) 17:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida Franchise Information 

message: Removed for obvious reasons:
* On May 14, 2007 in Gahanna, Ohio the local Big Boy statue was found stolen and placed on top of the local high school as a prank by juniors at the high school. Though initially believed to be a senior prank, no actual seniors were involved.
SteveCoppock 20:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cut Trivia

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thread_title: [[WP:FOOD]] Tagging

message: Why doesn't the photo caption which I added to the infobox show up? What am I doing wrong? In confusion, I am GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The caption provided for the Logo you replaced also did not appear.  I not familiar enough with the image process to suggest why. It seems to me that an InfoBox like that is just the place where a Logo ought to be presented.  That seems to be done with other company's Logos.  Why is the Big Boy Logo not appropriate here? Pzavon (talk) 02:27, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo caption 

message: I see someone has suggested merging the article on Bob's Big Boy Restaurant (Burbank, California) into the article on Bob's Big Boy, but there is not such article. The merge proposal is pointing to the general article on the Big Boy Restaurant chain (this article).  If there were an article on Bob's Big Boy, I would think merging the article on the Burbank Restaurant would be a good idea.  I think merging all the material on the Burbank locaiton with the general article on the Big Boy chain would be inappropriate.  A reference and wikilink to the article on the Burbank restaurant might be a good thing, however.  Pzavon (talk) 03:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. I see your point. Can you add an appropriate link to that article so people interested in Bob's Big Boy can find it? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like someone did that, in the Notable Locations section, some while ago.  I've just modified it to avoid a redirect. And I've removed the merge proposal template. Pzavon (talk) 01:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to move the other article to Bob's Big Boy and merge some of the information there. I'm including a link to this article at the top of the page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

text: On second thought this entire article should be moved there. Big Boy is another the new name of the more well known chain. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand your last sentence, but if you are suggesting that everything in the article on Big Boy (Restaurant) should be moved to an article on Bob's Big Boy, or that the article on the Burbank Restaurant whould be completely moved into the Big Boy (Restaurant) article, I have to disagree with you and oppose such a move. Pzavon (talk) 01:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand me half the time either. It's been a while, but I think the basic issue is we have Bob's Big Boy, a notable restaurant chain that deserves an article. And then we have Big Boy, a restaurant conglomerate that now includes Bob's Big Boy. To treat them as one and the same is confusing and doing a disservice to our readers. It's like mergin Chrysler into Fiat once it's bought out and acting like it's one and the same thing. It's just weird. They should link back and forth and be treated discretely. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging (again) 

message: "Big Boy was started as Bob's Pantry in 1936 by Bob Wian, in partnership with Arnold Peterson."
This should be revised because it conveys that Peterson was a founding partner, which isn't true. Peterson ate at Bob's Pantry in 1939, was so impressed that he then partnered with Wian to build a new unit in Burbank. Peterson was then a force in the development of Big Boy and I don't discount his importance.
Should this be: "Big Boy was started as Bob's Pantry in 1936 by Bob Wian, in later partnership with Arnold Peterson." or "... by Bob Wian, who soon partnered with Arnold Peterson." or should Peterson be moved and detailed further into the article?
see: http://articles.glendalenewspress.com/2008-01-19/entertainment/gnp-bigboy19_1_ron-peterson-statue-marriott-corp
Box73 (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Boy started WITHOUT Arnold Peterson 

message: I agree that saying current headquarters is somewhat superfluos and eliminating current sounds better. And I agree the HQ has been there since the chain was purchased by Elias Brothers in 1987. However is this article about Big Boy Restaurants generally or Big Boy Restaurants International, LLC specifically? I am cautious because readers tend to identify the article with Big Boy generally and then make false inferences. As an example, a newspaper article reporting the death of one of the Elias Brothers falsely reported how the Elias Brothers founded the Big Boy chain.
Many readers reference this article wondering about historic issues such as the historic Big Boy franchise in their area. This article should be about Big Boy generally and not BBRI specifically.
By your logic, if "current headquarters" should be "headquarters", then why not "Big Boy Restaurants International LLC is a restaurant chain ..." changed to, "Big Boy Restaurants is a restaurant chain ..."?
Box73 (talk) 18:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headquarters, sans current: eliminating or creating confusion? 

message: User 204.185.64.130  made a spelling correction to "Thus Frisch's is no longer a franchisee" changing franchisee to franchise. But franchisee is not a misspelling of franchise but an intentional choice of words. 
Now I suppose one may correctly say either franchise or franchisee. Franchisee is the one granted a franchise. However in common use "franchise" has also become synonymous with "brand". Saying that Frisch's is not a franchise implies that Frisch's is not a real Big Boy Restaurant. Instead saying franchisee stays closer to the idea of the franchisor-franchisee relationship, which is what changed.
Thanks to all for correcting my typos and grammar. This is not one of them and I elect to revert the edit. Box73 (talk) 07:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Franchisee" is not a spelling error 

message: Footnote 60 is a dead link  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.5.5 (talk) 15:04, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Footnote 

message: I appreciate your contribution to this article and assume it is in good faith. However, I removed this text because it is promotional and trivial to the Big Boy restaurants article. First, Frisch's has its own section in the franchise section; moreover the article is about Big Boy restaurants generally and Frisch's has its own article. More importantly, that people will drive for miles is promotional and unsupported. How do we know people will drive for miles? How do we know tarter sauce is synonymous with Frisch's? Why is Krystal Boyle's personally selected "so Cincinnati" items on her Pinterest page significant to an encyclopedia? Is any of this significant? (BTW Big Boy (International) also sells jars of tarter sauce, Big Boy and Slim Jim sauces.)
If we can't agree, I'd be agreeable to inviting dispute resolution. — Box73 (talk) 10:36, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frisch's tarter sauce : synonymous, drive for miles, and "so Cincinnati" 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article reads:
Currently, "Bob's" is again used only in Southern California, and no others under the domain of Big Boy Restaurants International are permitted to use franchise names for public identity.
This prompted the following citation needed with reasoning:
Although this may have been true 30 years ago, there is nothing currently on the company's website that would imply that there is a current geographic restriction on the use of the Bob's name or if a new California location were to open if it would be allowed to use the Bob's brand
Big Boy Restaurants International owns the Bob's name and I agree that there is no geographical restriction (distinct from BBRI's exclusivity agreement with Frisch's). However the text does not say there is a geographical restriction on the name, but simply that it is only currently used in Southern California, Wian's early turf. A separate point is that other than Bob's, no name is used (i.e., allowed) with Big Boy. (When Liggett bought Big Boy, the Elias Bros. name disappeared.)
The Big Boy Franchise Agreement deals with non BBRI-owned franchise names as co-branding, which is prohibited.
I edited the article text to reduce the unintended implication you raise. -- βox73 (৳alk) 22:57, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob's name use / geography 

message: When you visit the Big Boy webpage and look at the locations page, you see both tMichigan locations and So. Cal. locations listed, implying they are the same or at least closely related. While the Michigan locations omit the word Bob's from the chain's name, it's not clear they are distinctly different restaurants from the So. Cal Bob's Big Boys, sort of like the difference between Hardee's and Carl's Jr. restaurants which started as separate restaurants but have largely merged save for the name differences and some menu differences. What this article really needs is some explanation of the differences between Bob's Big Boy restaurants in So-Cal and Big Boy restaurants in Michigan. The Big Boy websites lists then as being part of the same chain just a slight name difference in the So. Cal locations. While I get the impression that the Big Boy Michigan locations are owned by separate people from the So. Cal. Bob's Big Boys, It's not clear there are really distinct differences between the two, as they are all franchise restaurants that serve similar menus. We need to clarify the relationship between the two restaurant chains in this article. Were they Big Boy Michigan restaurants once Bob's Big Boys and are they currently serving the same sport of menu or are their key differences that makes them more of a name only relationship these days? --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 01:39, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the difference between Bob's Big Boys in So. Cal. and Big Boy restaurants in Michigan, if anything beyond the lack of the word Bob in the Michigan chain? 

message: Thank you for contributing content about the division producing Bob's Big Boy condiments. I knew that Wian's wife June created the recipe for the seasoning salt but wasn't aware of the (changing) ownership/history of the company actually making the food stuffs. Very interesting!
Because of the ballooning size of the Big Boy Restaurants article, and the association of the dressings etc. with Bob's Big Boy, my feeling is that the content as written is best placed with Bob's Big Boy (where it already also exists). The seasoning salt was widely sold by different Big Boy franchisees but I don't believe the other products were well known, if sold, by brick and mortar grocers outside of the general territories of Bob's and Elias Brothers. Frisch's Big Boy actually sells its own dressings and sauces in grocery stores proximate to its territory.
Having said that, I think the content is a valuable addition to the Bob's Big Boy article and should be elevated to a subsection of History. There is additional material that can be added such as about the frozen shrimp that Wian packaged and sold in grocery stores under the Bob's name.
This can then be mentioned and wikilinked from the Big Boy Restaurants article. (And this ballooning talk page would benefit from archiving.) — βox73 (৳alk) 00:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Specialty Products Division: Salad Dressings and Sauces 

message: No. IMO there is too little information available about Big Boy Japan to support its own article. (Look at the scant Wikipedia article for Zensho Holdings, the parent company. This is very different from Frisch's.) There is the possibility of obtaining material published in reliable sources, from the company itself. This would not be original research but NPOV would be a potential issue. Although the Big Boy Restaurants article is ballooning out, and although Big Boy Japan is independent of Big Boy Restaurant Group, currently Big Boy Japan is best served here. — βox73 (৳alk) 03:45, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split Big Boy Japan to separate article? 

message: I love how on the section about named franchisees you can press one of the franchisee names to skip to that section! Xboxsponge15 (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The named franchisees section 

message: Throughout the 70's till the end of the 80's there was a Big Boy jr. Inside the Montclair Plaza in CA. The Big Boy statute was not standing but sitting on his side. 107.19.32.164 (talk) 00:20, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also Big Boy jr.