Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in New York

message: This article is now close to Featured List quality, in my view, and I'd like to work together with others to bring it the rest of the way and get the Featured List star on the page.  Criteria for Wikipedia featured lists include that the list must be "useful, comprehensive, factually accurate, stable, uncontroversial and well-constructed".  It must also follow Wikipedia Manual of Style, and include images that are appropriate and copyright-status-consistent. doncram 21:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of the descriptions are not supported by the articles.  Some are clearly written based on the NHL summary for the site, which is no doubt cited in the article, but the article is so stubby that the info is not reflected in the article.  Remedy:  expand each article as necessary, citing the NHL summary perhaps, to cover all necessary to support its description.  Note, it is even better to cite the NRHP document for the site, which is the more primary resource that the NHL summary is based upon. doncram 21:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well thanks for pitching in!  Your taking pics of those NHLs lacking recent photos would be very helpful, as it has already been for several of the NYS NHLs that you've gotten pics for already.  Thanks for those!  About copyediting or other help, please, just go ahead.  I think new stuff needs to be written to introduce the NYC NHL list, within the NYS article and within itself.  But chime in wherever you see something that looks to you like it needs improving, please.  About the Roscoe Conkling House, I think the article is good but could be organized better, maybe broken up into sections, but I hope someone else could comment further.   Cheers, doncram (talk) 04:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To attain Featured List status 

message: Please edit/expand/update this checklist.  Use strikeout to indicate an item is done.
*create article for each of 148 entries
*get some good photographs for some of them. There are 60 photos now (most by Daniel Case, thanks, and all of those are very good!) vs. 87 no-photo entries.  Comparable to List of mammals of Canada, a FL with ~116 photos and ~85 no-photo entries.  Note that FL List of Dartmouth College faculty has about 100 entries but just 1 photo.  Note that FL List of Chicago Landmarks has only about 25 for its 237 or so Chicago Landmarks.)
:This is something I'd like to push for.  One thought after looking at the DC entry, is some of the houses of historic figures could be filled with photos of the historic figures... dm 15:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I put four photos in to try it out, see what you think dm 16:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the temporary strategy if Public Domain site photos are not available.  (Actually, I think the photos of historic persons like Susan B. Anthony could usefully be added to the the corresponding site articles, permanently.)  However, there are public domain photos available for many articles and for list use, if one is willing to do the photo cropping and posting with appropriate attribution to Commons.  For Susan B. Anthony House and Adams Power Plant Transformer House I have now added HABS gallery links to the articles.  And each has NRHP photos already linked.  For Anthony house, NRHP photo credit is NPS, so it is PD.  For Adams, I am not sure if NRHP photos are PD or not, but some of HABS photos would work anyhow. doncram 22:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We now have about 124 articles with a pic, only 24 or so without.  Much improved.

*overall list is numbered to show that it has 148 entries
*overall list is sortable by date and name
*refine article name to accurately describe the article.
**Indicate it does not cover NYS. Should it be "List of National Historic Landmarks in New York State, excluding New York City"
***No, that's too long and sort of goes against naming conventions. A simple link to the NYC list at the top will do. Note that many of our New York categories have a subcategory for New York City. I think the current title is best. Daniel Case 14:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A checklist

message: I haven't edited and uploaded HABS photos before, but note HABS photos (all in public domain) are available for many sites.  HABS/HAER photos usually need cropping, as is demonstrated in example at Historic American Buildings Survey article, and as Daniel Case did for Elephant Hotel photo.  Hopefully others can do the editing and uploading?  I am adding external link to HABS photos, where I can find them, in all articles, and noting their availability here for the articles that entirely lack photos.  When add a photo, need to add to the article and to the overview list.  (Photos in the list should be available in the article, as a general rule, IMO.)  doncram 19:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer not to start using those small images on NHL webpages.  Clearly those are reductions of a larger pic in the NRHP files.  Better to follow request procedures as necessary, to get those better quality pics and to avoid copyright questions.  Haven't yet tried a request to NPS or the appropriate local NPS office, it can't be that hard.  Hmm, actually the NRHP photos for this site are owned by NYS it seems, have to go through them. doncram (talk) 02:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: First, from the NYS OPRHP database, should get the corresponding NRHP text and photos added to their articles first, so can request specific photos.  Have added that text and photos link for Camp Pine Knot article just now. doncram (talk) 02:01, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get photos 

message: Various claims of "oldest" have been made, which bear checking together:
In New York State:
*The Adirondack Park's description is that it is "one of earliest areas protected by any U.S. state".  "It was established in 1885, and later protected in "forever wild" section of New York state constitution."  Surely there are many small parks, cemeteries, plots of land, or properties like Old North Church or Independence Hall, which have been protected in some way by some state action, from earlier.  Yes, perhaps the Boston Common and other old protected areas might have been protected by municipality not by the state.  But would Adirondack Park better be described as one of earliest formally protected areas?  one of earliest wilderness areas?  was it wild then?  Maybe the original wording is best, i am not sure.  What are the other early areas protected by any U.S. state then, however? doncram (talk) 22:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm using "protected" in the sense of protected area and as an article covered by WP:PAREAS: an area protected for its natural resources. It was probably less wild then only in the sense that there was more visible logging. Daniel Case (talk) 19:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, see new article Oldest buildings in the United States ! doncram (talk) 06:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Also, by the way, I am confused between Wyckoff-Bennett Homestead and Pieter Claesen Wyckoff#Wyckoff Farmhouse Museum and there is another Wyckoff house or two.  These need to be described and linked to one another.  One or two of them are the oldest somethings. doncram (talk) 06:23, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest claims comparisons 

message: A bunch of these articles have two sets of coordinates superimposed over each other above the infobox.  How can that be fixed?  Ex. Adams Power Plant Transformer House, Susan B. Anthony House, Boughton Hill Lvklock (talk) 23:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didnt respond because i dont know exactly what to do.  In Adams Power Plant, i can see there are two sets of coordinates: one in the NRHP infobox, and one down in the external links as .  I'm sure it could be cleared by deleting the separate one down in the external links.  But, I don't know which is more accurate information.  For the NRHP infobox, i presume the data is from NRIS and is not great quality.  I don't know where the external link coordinate data is from.  If it is better data, perhaps it should be converted to degrees-minutes-second format from decimal format and put into the infobox.  (I recently put some info about how to do that into conversion into WP:NRHPMOS, from a discussion on WT:NRHP)  Anyone else know what are the sources of the two coordinates and what to do here?  Perhaps this should be asked at WT:NRHP. doncram (talk) 03:44, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates 

message: For our convenience, these are the entries without photos (or reasonable images) 
Numbers represent an ordering by significant words.  Various colorings, defined here, differentiate the National Monuments, National Historic Sites, National Historic Landmark Districts and other higher designations from other NHL buildings, structures, sites or objects.	Landmark name.                                    	Image	Date of designation	Location      	County	Description retrieved on various dates, and other sources cited in the articles on each of the sites.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Dr. Oliver Bronson House and Estate               	     	                   	Hudson        	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	John Burroughs' Riverby Study                     	     	                   	West Park     	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Camp Pine Knot                                    	     	                   	Raquette Lake 	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Fort Massapeag Archeological Site                 	     	                   	Oyster Bay    	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Fort Orange Archeological Site                    	     	                   	Albany        	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Lamoka Site                                       	     	                   	Tyrone        	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Land Tortoise (shipwreck)                         	     	                   	Lake George   	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Nash (tugboat)                                    	     	                   	Oswego        	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Stony Point BattlefieldStony Point Battlefield SHS	     	                   	Stony Point   	      	
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               	Valcour Bay                                       	     	                   	Lake Champlain	      	
::With its Google map link, I see that having this table on a separate page from the main list does provide value for allowing one to see where in the state are missing ones.  Perhaps it could be stripped down to a smaller table of just place names, addresses and coordinates, so that the Google map works but there is less redundancy vs. main list, and it could be moved to a new section of Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in New York?   Note also:  New photo for Lemuel Haynes House was just added by Daniel Case. doncram (talk) 16:33, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Camp Eagle Island and Camp Pine Knot are in my neck of the woods, but they're both in private hands.  Eagle Island buildings can be photographed (badly) from the water through brush and trees.  I'll try again this fall.  I know a lot less about Pine Knot-- it's a bit of a drive for me (especially with the cost of gas)-- I assume it could be shot from the water, but I have some hopes of wangling permission somehow.  There's also the possibility of coming up with archival stuff somehow. -- Mwanner | Talk 12:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Camp Eagle Island done somehow, as also Newtown Battlefield.  I think the Valcour Bay drawing/map is quite a reasonable image, too.  I noticed that the NPS photos for one of those bays were pretty horrible, it is odd to designate a bay as an NHL and it is hard to get a good picture of just a chunk of water. doncram (talk) 01:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was hoping to get up to Oswego and get a pic of the Nash this weekend, but the weather forecast looks bad.  We'll see.  Lvklock (talk) 01:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  added section of entries missing photos 

message: I believe three NHL's are missing in the list, Woodchuck Lodge, Jethro Wood House, and Wards Point Archeological Site.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:36, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three missing landmarks 

message: I wish to start a discussion on the Key in the "Current National Historic Landmarks outside New York City" section, but I can't seem to find the correct place to do so, despite having looked for a wikitable key template page. I found something about Wikitable in general, but I'm sure that's the wrong place. I probably just don't have good Wikipedia-fu. Specifically my questions are (1) Why all the key entries are very similar shades of blue, and (2) Why National Monument and National Historic Park are identical. It seems to me these two situations are likely to cause user confusion.  Can someone please point me at the correct Template talk page to discuss this?  Or, if this is a local type of key, feel free to answer my questions directly. I'm also (less but somewhat) confused by why this is the only section to contain a Key. If the Key pertains to all sections, should it not be either repeated, or outside the section? Also my apologies in advance for not being familiar with Wikipedia editing guidelines. Thanks. tsilb (talk) 06:13, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Historic Landmarks Key 

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message: This edit over a decade ago caused nearly the entire Talk page to be struck out. I have performed what I believe to be the right edit to correct this issue.  The talk page should now be much easier to read. tsilb (talk) 18:42, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: About this change matching up begin vs. end of strikeout, User:Tsilb, thanks! --Doncram (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
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