Talk:Satellite state

message: Would anyone (in the U.S.) ever describe a state as a U.S. "satellite state"? --user:Daniel C. Boyer, June 24, 2002
: The expression was used in Western Europe in the same sense and with the same meaning as in the article. If I well remember it was derived from a sentence in a speech of someone in the 60s (J.F.Kennedy?). I believe the article is correctly neutral as it is. Gianfranco June 24, 2002
: I'm an American, and I'd describe, say, South Vietnam or (for some purposes) even Israel as a "satellite" of the U.S.. 'Course, I'm not mainstream for this country by any means. All that said, if "satellite state" was historically applied primarily to Eastern Europe (and I don't know that it wasn't), then the article seems NPOV now. OTOH, it could certainly stand to be expanded with more examples too. Toby Bartels, Monday, June 24, 2002
: In my opinion, half the world is American satellite states, as most of the world is either allied with the USA or is too ovverpowered by th US to put up any resistance to their foreign policy in the region.  This article should talk about American satellite states, or Napoleonic-era states, rather than focusing so much on the Soviet client states.  Mnmazur (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The US is so obvious an example of a country with satellite states during the cold war that it must have been written by someone with strong political convictions and little interest to inform. 2600:1700:1156:1D00:38A9:6C8D:FDD1:4074 (talk) 06:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States stuff 

message: The neutrality of this page is seriously undermined unless it is edited to include the plethora of examples of U.S. satellite states, in particular, since it is arguably one of the largest coordinators of satellite states in the 20th century. I don't have time to do it right now but I may come back and edit, but anyone who wants to add this feel free.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Exodus206 (talk • contribs) 16:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. The US is so obvious an example of a country with satellite states during the cold war that it must have been written by someone with strong political convictions and little interest to inform. 2600:1700:1156:1D00:38A9:6C8D:FDD1:4074 (talk) 06:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality, United States needs to be included

message: In its usual sense (Warsaw Pact) the term seems inaccurate - the Warsaw Pact nations were nothing more than puppet states controlled from Moscow.  To me the term 'satellite state' would suggests a country internally independent but part of an involuntary alliance - such as Prussia and Austria in 1810 (at the height of Napoleon's power), or Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria during World War II which supported the Nazis out of fear.
Immediately after the American Civil War, some of the former Confederate States were under the control of élites (however benign, and in my opinion the Reconstruction governments would have been better for most of the people of the Southern states than what followed) whose accession to power was facilitated with the aid of the Union Army. 
The "Republic of Hawaii" that the United States eventually annexed in 1898 looks much like a classic example of a puppet state.  --Paul from Michigan 03:23, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warsaw Pact Stuff 

message: It's bad to have a dangling clause before the definition and China is not the article we should link to when referring to the People's Republic of China. I don't think those changes were controversial. Don't revert them. --Jiang 13:11, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Shorne's habit of automatic reversion is not charming. Boraczek 16:08, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dont revert legitimate edits in an edit war 

message: I see a quote
The  Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia is sometimes referred to as a Soviet satellite
backed by some US "historians". Since it was de facto independent state with no Soviet
military and no Soviet economic aid, it simply does not qualify.
79.101.226.34 (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Example removal proposal

message: Originally located at Talk:Sattelite nation and moved here
Should this page be combined with/absorbed into the "Satellite State" page?  I'm not an expert, but I don't see the difference between the two.
FerralMoonrender 21:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Combination 

message: Does Lebanon count as a satellite state?
Even though Syrian troops withdrew from Lebanon after former prime minister Hariri's assassination in 2004 after international pressure, it still wields enormous power over the country politically, especially through its local Lebanese supporters Hizbollah and other Lebanese groups and parties.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.214.148.55 (talk) 17:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be right, but adding this statement requires references to establish the case. --DThomsen8 (talk) 22:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Lebanon count as a satellite state? 

message: Hi, Mosedschurte!  Not sure why you reverted my edit to satellite state.  "term not in article" isn't very self-explanatory - I was trying to expand the article to cover more of what it is trying to describe.  The edits I made were in keeping with NPOV and were relevant to the article.  I am therefore restoring the edits I made.  If you object to them, let's discuss.  Thanks!  -- Zen Swashbuckler -- (talk) 19:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Non-Soviet Examples 

message: The  tag was placed on this article in 2008 by an editor who wanted it to cover usage of U.S. examples.  I have added a section that does so, based on what (limited) sources I could find.  I have removed the tag. Chick Bowen 03:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality tag removed 

message: theis countries should be listed as satilite states the firt two of the soviet union the latter two of vietnam--J intela (talk) 18:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have citations for any of those? I removed the Vietnamese ones outright since there don't seem to be any refs whatsoever to Vietnam as a central or imperial state, or any Vietnamese satellites (at a guess I'd say commentators/historians treat the Cambodia invasion as analogous to the U.S. invasion of Panama - remove a monster and then for the most part leave...).  I left the alleged Asian Soviet satellites in, because from what I know of them that's basically the case, but it could still do with a citation or two.  ☯.ZenSwashbuckler.☠  17:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  added two citations for Mongolia, one for Tuva and FER. --Kubanczyk (talk) 21:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Mongolia Afganistan Cambodia Laos

message: There are circles of states around major powers in ancient and medieval times, notably in Asia.
For these 'client state' won't work. The description takes it too far, and the term satellite is probably better, in view of the archaeological and epigraphic evidence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RoverDingbat (talk • contribs) 15:56, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well no,  the term "satellite" probably isn't really better,  considering that the word was almost unknown in any non-technical usage until the late 1950's.Eregli bob (talk) 08:42, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical satellite states 

message: The article ignores changes in Warsaw Pact states. Poland was a puppet state but had some independence 1956-1970. Rumania was quite independent under Causescu.Xx236 (talk) 06:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing dependence 

message: Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria were sovereign members of the Axis. Hungary joined the Axis due to receiving considerable land, and received more after joining, Romania joined to recover land and eventually even gained new land (Transistria) while Bulgaria also joined and got substantial land gains. Joining the Axis was mainly the decision of these countries, in order to get/recover land they saw as theirs. Romania and Bulgaria especially, they changed sides. Where have you seen a satellite to change sides of its own volition? Also there is no such thing as willing satellite, the point of a satellite is the predominant will of a superior power, which was not the case here. The Germans even put some of their units under Romanian command (Army Group Antonescu and Army Group Dumitrescu), all Axis forces in Romania were nominally under Romanian control. Calling the 3 "minor" Axis Powers "satellites" is just a wrong substitute for the term "partners", which should be applied to them, but people find that hard to do simply because they were not Great Powers. I am getting sick and tired of this stupid trope: if a country that is not a Great Power allies itself with a Great Power, then its automatically a satellite, no matter if they have common enemies, common aims, or what the non-Great Power country does for a contribution. 82.79.45.107 (talk) 07:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed World War II section 

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