Talk:Bob Kane

message: I found 2 different birth years for Bob Kane: 1915 and 1916. In this article is 1916, but the majority of sites seems to report 1915. May anyone help to solve the question? Marcok 10:55, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 1915. See grave tablet Ejrrjs | What? 22:13, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth

message: "Because Kane had already submitted the proposal for Batman to his editors at DC Comics, he is the only person given official credit for the creation of Batman."
This is not why Kane is given official credit.  National Comics -- not DC, which didn't exist yet at the time -- was suing Siegel and Shuster over the rights to Superman, and Kane lied to them about his age.  By claiming he was younger than he was, he was able to convince them that the original contract he signed would be null and void, and that he would take the character elsewhere if he were not given a much better deal.  Part of the deal he was given (in addition to a lot more money) was that every story Batman ever appeared in would include "Batman created by Bob Kane" on the credits page.
The book "Men of Tomorrow" has a lot more information about this.  I didn't want to edit it straight in because I wanted somebody to word it better, so it didn't seem like an attack on Kane, but it's pretty factual that he lied about his age (that's why his birth year is occassionally reported wrong, see above).
ThatGuamGuy 16:08, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TV and film creator credits are negotiated and mediated by the Writers Guild. The comic-book industry doesn't have the same kind of formal structure. In any case, the brief, dual citations by Kane himself and by historian Ron Goulart's Comic Book Encyclopedia in the article intro should suffice. --Tenebrae 19:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Credit

message: == Bob Kane's , Robert Kahn's Family ==Melvin Kahn,Dick Greyson,Robin, The Boy Wonder , My dad are one in the same.
HI just want to add a little trivia, Who was the real Robin AKA Boy Wonder and where did he originate from? Well I can answer that I am a cousin of Bob Kane's,Robert Kahn. And I can say for sure that the likeness of Robin The Boy Wonder was taken from a little cousin of Bob's who was my father. Bob's first cousin Melvin Kahn the true Boy Wonder. My father was with Bob when they signed autographs at a cigar convention at one of the hotels in the catskills in the 1960's My dad signed as The Boy Wonder. I have pictures of them together and a signed Batman And Me Book to my family. There where many of these autographes througout the first years of Batman And Robin. I am Just looking for some recognition for my Dad who is deceased since 2001. He was given permission from Bob to tell his story but then someone threatened to sue whoever would print that. My father was embarrased and humiliated so my dad did nothing. All I want is for the people of the world to know the true story behind The Boy Wonder. Sincerly The children of Melvin Kahn The Boy Wonder
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Kane" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.17.82 (talk • contribs)  22:42, 16 June 2005
: First, to other WP editors: 
:: I'm now removing the version of the above 'graph that i added here after removing it from the article. It differs only in including typos, from the later, corrected version above.  The two versions created on the article page can of course still be seen in the article's history.
: More importantly, to the family of Melvin Kahn:
:: I appreciate your loyalty to your father, and also your generosity in sharing his story, which i think deserves more visibility than it seems to have won itself so far.
:: I notice you've put an original, and then in its place a revision, into the article Bob Kane, and, since then, two further revisions, in turn, on this page where we discuss the articles.  That suggests you sensed that this page was the better place for your contribution.  That is the case, and i've removed the earlier draft from the article.
:: What i take to be your point, is that 
::: Bob Kane took his inspiration for the Robin/Dick Grayson character from Melvin Kahn, who was the son of the brother of Kane's father.
:: Setting aside your reasoning for bringing that statement to this page, my reasoning in saying that Talk:Bob Kane is the suitable place involves the two related ideas of the lack of verifiability, and of original research.
:: The verifiability of the statement is currently a problem, including the fact that, as far as you've suggested, definitive evidence of the statement is not available, and starting with the fact that we don't really know who is asserting the existence of the suggestive evidence in the forms of the various autographs, and of family memories of Kane's and MK's statements to them.  But i hasten to say that proving the statement to the satisfaction of interested Wikipedia editors is not to the point, because it is not sufficient to justify adding the statement to the article.
:: The further problem is that it appears the statement is the result of what we call "original research", which we contrast with statements like "nearly all hydrogen atoms are composed of a single proton orbited by at least one electron." Not only can we verify this to a high degree of certainty, beyond that the fact is not a new discovery  presented to us by its discoverer or (someone who is part of a short chain originating with the dicoverer), it has also been so widely accepted that it can be regarded as part of the established store of human knowledge.  Your desire for "the world to know the true story" and your "looking for some recognition for" MK suggest this is, to the extent it is true, new knowledge waiting to be accepted into the body of accepted knowledge.  Helping make that transition is an important and laudable goal, but it is not a goal that WP is suited to pursuing.
:: If you can find a wider acceptance of your statement, elsewhere on the Web or via other media, such a statement would in my opinion turn it into something that belong in WP articles, and not just on talk pages like this one.
:: I admire your dad and his cousin for their role in a great American institution that, sadly, i understand best through fiction  like The Amazing Adventures of Kavelier and Clay (which i consider a tribute to them and their associates), which for me has a bittersweet tone that may be related to the undercurrent your account seems to me to include.  I'd be honored if i can help you further in your quest. 
:--Jerzy·t 04:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Melvin Kahn

message: Seems  was deleted by User:OrphanBot, so for now I'm pasting the code from the Batman page that includes :Image:Detective27.JPG. --Ktdreyer 10:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it down below User:CmdrClow's image for the time being. (Thanks User:CmdrClow!)--Ktdreyer 06:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About four months too late, but you're welcome! --CmdrClow 09:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I just wanted to point out that I purchased the Gang Busters In Action pulp book to find out if those swipes are real after seeing that blog.  I found out that they are in fact real.  He swiped four pictures from the same book.  Anyway, if someone wants a source can the book itself be used rather than those blog entries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.159.163 (talk • contribs)  22:58, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Vallely Swipes Are Real 

message: After months and months of the same obsessive fan's non-encyclopedic edits under different anonymous IPs, here is what I've placed on the most recent, at User talk:192.80.65.234
--Batman--
Please STOP your obsessive campaign of disruptiveness on the Bob Kane page. You are doing this simply to disrupt Wikipedia. The proof is that if it were otherwise, you would be registered rather than doing this through a series of anonymous IP. You should be ashamed of yourself. --Tenebrae 18:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Obsessive anonymous IP

message: "additionally" refers to the same Steranko column: 
"I was very much influenced by The Shadow and Doc Savage, The Phantom, things of that sort." -Bill Finger, Steranko article
In the same article Kane mentioned his own influences: 
"My early influences in the comics field were Chester Gould's) DICK TRACY, (Billy DeBeck's) BARNEY GOOGLE, (Alex Raymond's) FLASH GORDAN." -Kane, Steranko article.
"As I changed from being a gag cartoonist to an illustrative artist, Milton Canif was my greatest inspiration..."
-Kane, from his autobio BATMAN AND ME
 --The Batmaniac  —Preceding comment was added at 18:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Addressing new "additionally" citation

message: As I have stated elsewhere, the Jerry Robinson article from The Comics Journal should not be looked upon as the LAST WORD or authority for the simple reason that he often contradicts himself when it comes to small details. From Steranko to Alter Ego to the TCJ. Also, it was over 60 years ago.Not only this but he just simply wasn't in charge of things. He would occasionally kibbitz with Kane and Finger but by his own admission he was focused on school. 
About ROBIN. Kane never claimed he wanted to add a sidekick. He just wasn't opposed to it because when he did Peter Pupp, he had a sidekick in that strip. Finger wanted a sidekick because, as he said, he got bored with writing monologues for Bats. Kane wanted the sidekick to be a kid more likely because of the popularity of DICK TRACY's JUNIOR,which was HUGE. (Kane acknowledged this but never admitted to a direct connection.) However,by himself, Finger never introduced a kid sidekick in other strips, they were always adult men or women.Bernard ferrell (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Robinson Journal interview is not definitive

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thread_title: WikiProject Comics B-Class Assesment required

message: In one of the scenes when the Batmobile races through Gotham , the film focusses on a man in a fedora and grey trenchcoat , stepping back in amazement as the vehicle drives past him...that man is Bob Kane! Feel free to freeze frame your DVD copy. Bob was on the set of the film at various times , Jack Nicholson , in various interviews , has mentioned dining with Bob Kane because he was such a Batfan as a kid. It's true , Bob did not portray the newspaper cartoonist , but it IS him on the Gotham steets! Harvey J Satan (talk) 04:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Kane IS in Tim Burton's BATMAN 

message: Some of the links given in this article no longer exist, they need checking Lung salad (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Links 

message: Substituted at 09:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Hello Tenebrae. Like you saw, I have the book "Batman & Me", An Autobiography By Bob Kane With Tom Andrae from Eclipse Books, 1989. I will write to you in the exact words 2 paragraphs and the first portion of a third from the page 131:</br>- Eddy Duchin's romantic keyboard was also instrumental in influencing me to get married. I escorted my fiancée, Beverly, to the Starlight Roof of the Waldorf-Astoria to celebrate my birthday. I was quite friendly with Eddy and he played our favorite song, "All the Things You Are."</br>- I was mesmerized by the magic fingers of the Duchin melodies and the champagne, which motivated me to propose to my best girl. We were married in 1949. And so I have Mr. Duchin to thank for the years of married life which produced a lovely daughter, Deborah. Unfortunately, the marriage didn't last. C'est la vie.</br>- I came to Hollywood again in 1957, while I was getting a divorce. .....</br>*Tenebrae, I hope it could help you. Thanks. --Danielvis08 (talk) 02:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Deborah was the name of Kane's daughter. Duchin was a famous bandleader of the time, and Kane is saying that Duchin's romantic music inspired him to propose to fiancee Beverly. It all fits. Thanks for putting this verbatim passage here, which will help future editors! --02:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batman & Me  

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message: Putting aside Kane's creative bankruptcy, the intro is not very precise an misleading; in decades of publication there is no way a single man has created most of dc characters, change ot to " a great number" or something 37.159.122.155 (talk) 18:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created most of dc characters? 

message: Jim Steranko told a story on Twitter of an encounter that he had with Bob Kane at the San Diego Con, presumably in the early 1970s, which allegedly had witnesses.  It would interesting to corroborate the story and include it here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.246.125.95 (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kane vs. Steranko 

message: WTF? Bob Kane the thief didn’t even “co-create” Batman. Wolfquack (talk) 18:59, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean, his and Finger's respective contributions are detailed in the "Batman" section of this article, and my read justifies calling Kane a co-creator. If there's something factually incorrect about that section or some missing context that contests Kane's involvement, be the change you want to see in the world. Theturbolemming (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Co-creator of Batman”