Talk:Dua

message: Tawassul takes a different meaning in sufi texts. It may be important to include what tawassul is in sufi contexts. In the non-sufi veiw, people generally do not do this but sufis usually go to garveyards and perform tawassul through dead saints. They make them their intermediary to Allah. The hadiths are claimed to be fabricated in the salafi madhab, but sufis go by hadiths that say, "Go to dead saints" (to perfrom tawassul). It is agreed upon many scholars that these hadith are fabricated, but it should be mentioned and shown in the article that sufis perform tawassul as such. Salafihater 18:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tawassul suggestion 

message: This article reads like a dawa / preaching introduction to Islam.  It's not that it's wrong... it just cites Qur'an and hadith directly (incidentally the Qur'an has been interpretted in many ways throughout history)... so, that should be worked out but I have no concept of where to find scholarly sources on this subject... gren グレン 02:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV check 

message: This article explains the concept of dua according to the puritanical wahhabi sect rather than mainstream sunni Islam, but this is never explicitly mentioned anywhere which is deceptive. The practice of Tawassul through the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), for instance, is a form of dua that is accepted by the main sunni schools of thought.
Sorry, but I really don't see how the article represents the views of the wahhabi sect, whatever those views may be.  Perhaps you should clarify which sentences or paragraphs are biased. Aziza Cloud (talk) 08:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think that Ohms law criticizing it because he is Anti-Muslim. He is just trying to make the article better by letting people know that it needs editing to fix the grammar, word choice, and references. Rabuve (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: The quality of the English in this article is atrocious, it requires a major revision. Text is bloated, tenses are wrong, sentences are flat and have little impact on the reader.
I have edited some of the poor English and (hopefully) corrected the spelling of the Arabic word so that it includes diacritics. Aziza Cloud (talk) 08:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't think that Ohms law criticizing it because he is Anti-Muslim. He is just trying to make the article better by letting people know that it needs editing to fix the grammar, word choice, and references. Rabuve (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flat English 

message: Someone spelled it starting with a dhal and then a ghain!! (instead of dal followed by ain).
Would someone proficient in Arabic confirm/correct this??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yerubal (talk • contribs) 18:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Article starts with horrible misspelling of du'a in Arabic!''' 

message: This article is struggling for anything resembling a coherent thread, while I appreciate the sentiment of some of the authors to want to preach the 'proper' way of making duas or want to show how beautiful the dua of a particular person is, this is probably not the place for this. 
There is a lot to be said about dua that would work under this title that would be genuinely interesting and valid, I've touched on some of these points that I think might work in my edit of the intro section. I think it would be a good idea for editors to gather content around the recording of Prophetic duas, Allah bless him and give him peace, it would be interesting if someone could find some research on how this was done, and then the collection of hadiths with duas by later scholars, when this became a distinct literary genre, and then the phenomenon of duas written by sheikhs, scholars and awliya that became popular and widespread amongst the muslim world. This is not really the place to go on about shirk necessarily. I'm not a huge wikipedia person, so would appreciate it if some of you wikimen could take over.--Baba farouq (talk) 22:59, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a huge amount of work 

message: Hi all,
Given that this article has garnered several suggestions of bias/POV problems here on the talk page, and that my own assessment agrees with that, I'm adding a tag to the article.--Grapplequip (talk) 22:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagging the article 

message: I haven't edited regularly in a couple years now, but this article is such a mess that I couldn't ignore it.
So here's the major major problems that I see:
* A horrible excess of improperly quoted Hadith, Qur'an verses, and random people's prayers.
* A complete lack of coherent, navigable explanation.
* Lots of improper synthesis, unsourced content, non-neutral tone, etc.
* Major concepts covered in untranslated Arabic. 
* Awful formatting, particularly when it comes to citations and quotes. 
So one of the first things that needs to be done is a clear encyclopedic explanation of the concept needs to be established and made available. Dua needs to be explained so that anyone looking at the article to define the core concept will be satisfied first and foremost.
Another thing is this needs to be in English compliant with the Manual of Style, particularly WP:MOSISLAM. I've done some hack-and-slash with the honorifics but it's hard to extricate them entirely when so many are embedded in badly formatted quotes. 
I'll do what I can but I'm not terribly knowledgeable on the source material of the subject, so I can really only modify and remove, not fill in the gaps. - Peter Deer (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bless This Mess 

message: I have removed the copyedit tag and placed a GOCEreviewed banner on this talk page because of the other tags, both at the top of the article and at the top of some sections, and because of some comments here. On examination of the article, I think someone who is not an expert in Islam would have difficulty doing a good copy edit on this article. --Stfg (talk) 17:02, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: GOCEreviewed

message: A distinction must be made about the practice of making dua in home or within someone's self, and the practice that is often visible in mosques especially during Friday prayers and Taraweeh Prayer in Ramadan. The latter often carries a message to masses and can be considered as public speech. In some cases these duas can be politicized or could fall under the incitation of hate speech against certain groups.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHamadx (talk • contribs) 14:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dua in private vs. public dua 

message: I Think that the page needs new structure. I propose the below structure:
*Terminology
*Du'a in religion
**Jewish
** Christ 
**ISlam and other religion
**Dua in Societies 
Along with subdivision which is for example now existed in the article on Islam.--m,sharaf (talk) 16:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: New structure

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article needs to be clearer about the relationship between Dua and Salat. The article does contain a section that describes Salat, but doesn't explain how it is related to Dua. Is Salat a form of Dua? Are they both examples of another practice (ie prayer). This seems to be a fundamental explanation that is missing, despite the large amount of detail in the article. Ashmoo (talk) 07:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Dua vs Salat

message: He appears to be wearing a baseball cap with Al-Qaeda's flag on it, another picture of someone praying might be better. 31.154.101.212 (talk) 15:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of the Indonesian Muslim praying