Talk:Professional wrestling throws

message: *Q: Isn't an Ace Crusher a Stone Cold Stunner? I seem to remember hearing a story that DDP was training with Ace and Regal, and he combined the Ace Crusher and Regal Cutter to create the Diamond Cutter. Plus, I was pretty sure an Ace Crusher was the same thing as a Stunner. I've always associated "crusher" with a sit down position and "cutter" with a laying down position.
*A: The difference between Ace Crusher and Diamond Cutter is that in Ace Crusher the wrestler wraps one of his arms around the opponent's head and jumps up so that he's horizontal, and puts his free hand on the opponent's head while falling down, pulling the opponent down to the mat. With Diamond Cutter the wrestler wraps both of his hands around the head of the opponent and takes a few steps forward, causing both men to drop to the mat. The terms however have become quite interchangeable, so they are considered the same move.
*Q: Didn't Randy Orton also get his RKO from the diamond Cutter?
*A: Huh? The move was taught to him by John Laurinitis, AKA Johnny Ace who called it the Ace Crusher.
*Q: Anyone know any pro-wrestlers in training?  It would be really cool if we could get some copyright-free video of some of the moves linked.
*A: I know a guy who was in training as a wrestler, but he never completed it. Video might be good, but I think some clean-looking diagrams would be more immediately useful.  — Gwalla | Talk 06:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: re http://www.deathvalleydriver.com/bbbowm/part1.htm
That site lists it under the name Double Underhook Powerbomb, and is not clear on the separation between the sitout and regular variant.
The term Tiger Driver comes from Mitsuharu Misawa who as far as I know has only used the name for the sitout variant. (The Tiger Driver '91 and the top rope Tiger Driver have separate names.) If you have an example on the use of the name for a sitoutless variant I'd be happy to hear it, whether it be related to Misawa or anything else in the pro wrestling world.
-- Lakes 23:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes this is good by me. Lakes 13:16, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiger Driver 

message: I'm recommending the rename of this article to "List of professional wrestling throws".  As per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists), list articles such as this are much easily recognisable when it begins with "List of...".  Great job, BTW, guys.  I laud your work creating separate articles for throws that have "outgrown" this list. Thanks! -- Perfecto  21:36, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there are objections, I'll move it tomorrow. -- Perfecto 22:26, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of professional wrestling throws 

message: The article is still more than twice the recommended article length, so we're going to have to create more individual articles. Creating Facebuster and Powerslam would greatly reduce the page length. McPhail 18:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed... the same can be said for some of the other move list but this one is in the most need right now ---- Paulley 15:12, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page length part 2

message: Sorry if this has been suggested before, but I noticed that many of the other lists of moves have the title "Professional wrestling (move category)." Shouldn't this page then also be "Professional wrestling throws" instead of "List of ..."? Poofyspikes 05:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was origionally, in fact it was the first wrestling move page on wiki, subsequently it's the only one i did not create. so it is infact my fault that all the other move pages dont go by the correct naming convention. But to answer your question see the discussion to sections above --- Paulley 20:25, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move the page? 

message: Could this move also be called a  (As seen in the WWE Smackdown! game series)?
Or is it a pumphandle piledriver?--Themasterofdisguise 19:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: depends on how much they drop the person on their heads... the Magnum Driver is a sit-out pumphandle slam, while the pumphandle piledriver ends like a reverse (belly-to-belly) piledriver. i think its an inbetween driver version where they are dumped on their upper shoulders and neck area. --- Paulley 10:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pumphandle Michinoku driver II 

message: :Result was move. --- Lid 00:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support, as per nom  --James Duggan 01:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Add any additional comments
I support the move, but the argument as per Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) is sort of flawed, because that guide states "Currently there is no single recommended format." Also note that many episode lists for television series on Wikipedia also include additional information for each entry. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Many of the descriptions of the moves use plural pronouns (they, them) when the language calls for singular (he, she, him, her). This really should be changed. Croctotheface 09:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for the ambiguity is to get rid of gender relations, as the gender of the performer is irrelevent, and the old type of he/she caused a lot more grammar concerns. –– Lid(Talk) 11:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Wikipedia acknowledges "they" and "them" as singular pronouns.  If the style guide doesn't mind this kind of usage, then I certainly don't either.  However, if as I suspect Wikipedia does not consider this usage correct, then it really should be changed, either to "he" or "he or she".  Although I'll admit that I don't intend to undertake this project myself, it seems to me that there should be some way to write descriptions of moves such that "he or she" could be used correctly.  Croctotheface 08:45, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar concern 

message: I need to know what this move I'm describing is called. A guy catches another guys leg. Both are facing face to face. The guy then whips the other guy's leg and his entire body to the floor. Is that a leg drag?
:Sounds like a dragon screw leg whip.«»bd(talk stalk) 20:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely a Dragon Screw. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② talk 02:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Leg Drag

message: A hurracanrana isn't a "headscissors takedown," it's a reverse victory roll.  This is a headscissors: .  A headscissors takedown would be a flying variation of that hold.  A hurracanrana is an entirely different thing. VelvetKevorkian 04:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something that bugs me. 

message: At the part about Cenas FU, it says HBK uses the same move, also calling it the FU.
Should this be taken out? EDIT: It was changed, so its ok now. MCU 20:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HBK FU? 

message: Could the Death Valley Driver be also named as a fireman's carry side brainbuster? Because the way it performs does ends as a brainbuster on the side. Any opinions? jlog3000 (talk) 17:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate regular name for the Death Valley Driver

message: The move is listed on Dolph Ziggler's moveset...but no where else. Either the move doesn't exist or the information regarding the move has to be in more than one place. If Ziggler's finisher isn't classified as a jumping russian legsweep, than what is it? --Oxico (talk) 00:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know but it is original research to call it that without a source, so it should be removed on sight per Wikipedia policy. Nikki♥311 00:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is...I don't have a reliable source for the claims either, but what would qualify as a reliable source for classification of a wrestling move, other than its appearance? --24.161.50.140 (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are articles, books, and interviews where wrestlers discuss moves...you just have to look. Plus, WWE Magazine describes finishing/signature moves of its wrestlers in every issue. Nikki♥311 00:25, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jumping Russian Legsweep

message: Someone deleted the driver section of this page. can someone please put it back up as I don't know all of the variations.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.159.77 (talk) 22:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Driver

message: The picture of Mr. Kennedy doing a body slam, the description is wrong.  The description says:
"Mr. Kennedy executes a regular body slam (scoop slam) on Hardcore Holly."
But, that is not Hardcore Holly as Holly wears trunks not tights.  Also, Holly's hair is blond and not brown.  The description should be changed to the right wrestler being body slammed.  I don't know who he is or I would change it.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like someone changed the picture but not the caption. Neither Holly nor Kennedy are in that pic. I'll look through and see if I can revert it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 11:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture Description Wrong 

message: Some basic moves like the Electric Chair Drop are missing. Some article, like the doomsday device are linked to what must have been deleted. Can somebody add the moves, or tell people why they are missing or have been deleted?? 82.224.118.7 (talk) 09:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The move has been added, but there must be some still missing Jeangabin (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Electric Chair Drop and other missing

message: On this article, I deleted throws which do not exist or do not have associated cites; the cites that were deleted were not reputable cites. Only throws that actually exist belong in this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.51.250.212 (talk) 15:45, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On what basis did you decide that the throws did not exist? It seems that it is entirely your opinion that these throws did not exist. Starship.paint (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The hurricanrana driver exists, Wrestleview, a reliable wrestling source, mentions it here. The spine bomb is also known as the sitout spinebuster, and it is mentioned in Wrestleview, PWTorch and PWInsider and Slam! Wrestling. The spine bomb is also known as the Sky High and that is mentioned in many, many sources. The ranhei is also mentioned in PWInsider and Wrestleview. Since I have found reliable sources that confirm the very existence of these moves, I will be adding them back to the article. I will rename Spine Bomb to sitout spinebuster because that is the more common name. Starship.paint (talk) 09:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Look bro, the WP:PW project has determined that PWTorch, PWInsider, Wrestleview, SLAM! are all reliable sources, especially for TV/PPV results. And we are using TV/PPV results to source the existence of the moves. You remove the move because you say it doesn't exist, but I just proved they exist. The rana driver is mentioned in one Wrestleview source "then Suicide kicks Sabin sending him to his knees and Red flies in with a Hurricanrana Driver!" and the other Wrestleview source mentions "hurricanrana while R-Truth was still on his knees". The ranhei is also mentioned in Wrestling Observer. You want me to let stuff slide? Yeah, I'm letting leg trap spinebuster slide. Starship.paint (talk) 05:07, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Look, the WP:PW realm has determined the reliability of all the sites I have mentioned for TV and PPV results. Wrestling moves are neither rumours nor speculation. PWInsider might have been a spyware page in the past but it seems to have cleaned up it's act now, therefore it works as a reliable source for TV/PPV results. The wrestling moves are determined by TV/PPV results, therefore they are able to be sourced from there. It has been proven that these moves exist. I did not use summaries or the talk page in the past because I did not see the need to. 
I am providing more sources for the ranhei which has actual descriptions (rolling legsweep into cradle). For the hurricanrana driver, I have found PWTorch sources reporting on the same two shows that the Wrestleview sources reported, they describe the rana driver explicitly. "He hits a sitting Hurricanrana that spikes Kurt's head into the mat" and "He hits a Seated Hurricanrana on Sabin,"Starship.paint (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions

message: The headlock driver is not the accurate name because it is described as a variation of a DDT or spike DDT.  Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headlock Driver 

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