Talk:Hammam

message: Obviously the term Turkish bath can also apply to the oriental hamman, not the other way around, so the suggested merger direction is absurd!  Does anyone know whether there are other traditions as well? Fastifex 13:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think overall you're pretty much right here. There's a lot of back-and-forth on this talk page about the name and scope of the article, and a lot of it is valid imo. I think a lot of that could be solved by maybe having different pages with each page having links and summary sections about the others, as you mention. There's already been closed debates on this below, but maybe as the article evolves this could be revisited again in the future... R Prazeres (talk) 19:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I didn't notice the later section below, I've given more comments there now that I've spent a bit of time editing parts of this page. R Prazeres (talk) 23:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger?

message: (Note to myself.) This was the merge. -- RHaworth 13:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: Your claim that the section "Introduction of Turkish baths to Europe (The Victorian Turkish bath)" is your copyright is, I submit, ridiculous. The section in question is virtually unchanged from this state of the Turkish bath article dated 2006 May 23. That article has an extensive edit history with multiple editors.
If you really can substantiate your claim, you may do so at Wikipedia:Copyright problems but, in the mean time, any further deletion of the section will result in the article being protected. -- RHaworth 14:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Europe 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Hammam → Turkish bath — Turkish bath is the English name and Hammam is Arabic so i think it needs to be moved to English title. —Bozaci 22:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support Bozaci 22:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Any additional comments:
*Note to closing admin - There is a history at Turkish bath of a page that was merged into Hammam on July 6, 2006 (UTC).  Therefore, the two page histories ought to be swapped, or the history at Turkish bath moved somewhere else in order to preserve that part of the history for GFDL reasons. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2007

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
* Support Bozaci 22:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Any additional comments:
*Note to closing admin - There is a history at Turkish bath of a page that was merged into Hammam on July 6, 2006 (UTC).  Therefore, the two page histories ought to be swapped, or the history at Turkish bath moved somewhere else in order to preserve that part of the history for GFDL reasons. -GTBacchus(talk) 05:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Why was this image removed?  I thought it was quite useful as an illustration. Ashley VH (talk) 10:46, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Has been put back. Guss2 (talk) 11:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image removed 

message: Hammam is NOT a Turkish culture, it is Roman, and then the Arabs evolved it, then the Turks took it to the Third level, but a Hammam is NOT Strictly Turkish, their are Hammams in Arab cities that are older than the creation of turkey, or its Islamisation for that matter... in Cairo, Yemen, Damascus, Marrakech (which was never ruled by Turkey, if i may add...)...
Arab League User (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  HAMMAM and NOT Turkish Bath

message: I advised new user  that www.turkishhammams.com might be an acceptable addition to this article. Instead of posting at this talk page to get agreement, the contributor has added it to the article again. I am about to move it down to the proper section, but please remove the link if you think it fails the guidelines. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link to be checked 

message: The The Dellâkname-i Dilküşâ by Dervish Ismail Agha is said to be a document in the Ottoman Archives, Sülemaniye, Istanbul, and with this document as a reference it was formerly stated in this article that, "Traditionally, the masseurs in the baths, tellak in Turkish, were young boys, helping the men in washing their bodies. Their duties were not just washers, but also sex workers. We know today, by texts left by Ottoman authors, who they were, their prices, how many times they could bring their customers to orgasm, and the details of their sexual practices. The tellak system died out in the early years of the twentieth century, as a result of the increasing westernization of the Turkish Republic." User:Cckkab states that this document is "unfindable" but doesn't say where he looked. As there are numerous references to it on the web, presumably that is not where he did his research. Did he actually go to the archives in Istanbul. NPOV does not mean suppressing information because it offends one's Muslim, Roman Catholic, fundamentalist or other sensibilities. If someone invented this document, they must have been Turkish or have had an advanced knowledge of Ottoman Turkish. Communicating with English speaking scholars who have never been to Turkey hardly qualifies as conclusive research. Someone needs to do some research in Istanbul, not somewhere in Ireland (or one of the other places Gaelic is spoken). Give us a break!!!! Mike Hayes (talk) 07:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Dellâkname-i Dilküşâ'', the curiously disappearing reference

message: I have just added the section Ancient Roman bathing#Criticism dealing with how Roman thermae could be a pool of warmly kept bacteria and filth with a risk of infection.
I was thinking if Turkish baths had a similar problem before modern chlorination and cheap water heating.
Was the water changed often, especially in places where water had to be heated artificially?
Did somebody complain?
--Error (talk) 03:10, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hygiene 

message: Hi there, 
I would like to add a section on public baths in Morocco to this page as part of research I have been conducting for a class.  I will also add some information about bathing/public baths in the Islamic context.  I hope to finish and post soon and look forward to your input!
Smithkristin6 (talk) 17:58, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it!  Hafspajen (talk) 19:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Section on Morocco 

message: Hammam - 156 uses
Turkish bath - 89 uses.
Why is the article topic word referenced only 57% as much as a supposed synonym for the topic?  
At one point in  the article it makes a clear distinction between the two (cooling pool and dry versus steamy air) so they are not synonyms and so it casts doubt if all the 156 uses are correct.  
Dictionary.com makes hammam the global word in English for all public bathhousesand relegates Turkish bath to a specific example of hammam with specific behaviors (a type of bath in which the bather sweats freely in hot dry air, is then washed, often massaged, and has a cold plunge or shower).  This treatment differs from Merriam but is significant as it is where English speakers might go(including myself) to look up these topics. 24.241.69.99 (talk) 22:19, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Word count of named topic and dictionary entries about this topic

message: There is a nonsensical paragraph in the opening sectioin:
"'The discovery that was lost and has been found again, is this, in the fewest possible words: The application of hot air to the human body. It is not wet air, nor moist air, nor vapoury air; it is not vapour in any shape or form whatever. It is an immersion of the whole body in hot common air.'
If someone could rewrite that to make sense, that would be good. Otherwise it should be deleted. Zythophile (talk) 15:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this nonsensical paragraph meant to mean? 

message: One of the references in this article leads only to an advertisement for a commercial establishment. I am relatively new to Wikipedia and am interested to know whether this is normally accepted practice.Ishpoloni (talk) 04:49, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising references 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hammam, which means hot in Tamazight (berbere) and hot in Arabic is said Skhoun. So please return to Caesar what belongs to him and correct your article by replacing Arabic by Amazigh, without the presence of the Arabic alphabet. 
Hot baths in North Africa existed long before the appearance of Arabs and Turks in the history of mankind.
Already Wikipedia is losing much of its credibility, if such coarse manipulations persist this would be the end of this site very useful for schoolchildren.
--Adbouz (talk) 23:02, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Can you provide a reliable source to back this up? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The word hammām () is clearly Arabic, from the verb  meaning to heat. إيان (talk) 18:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word Hammam is neither Arabic nor Turkish. It's an Amazigh / Berber word. 

message: To best of my knowledge this Hamam is only open for temporary art etc exhibitions and doesn't have a permanent exhibition of finds from Metro excavations (although would be lovely if it did). I was last there in 2018 and never found it open at all. Maybe someone has more recent information? Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 22:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thessaloniki Pasha Hamam 

message: At the moment there is a piece in the section on Turkish hamams about the country's hot springs. IMO these aren't 'hamams' in the usual understanding of the word - in Turkish they are usually called kaplıcas rather than hamams in recognition of that fact. Would be better to have a new page for them - Hor springs in Turkey? - with a cross-ref at the bottom of the hamam page.  Ealinggirl1954 (talk) 20:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They can certainly be additionally covered in another article with more details there, especially as this section is meant only as a summary. But those locations do include hammam structures and architecture, per the cited sources, so they're relevant here as is. R Prazeres (talk) 20:19, 24 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey's hot springs 

message: It is now some time since the article on the Hammam was complemented by a separate article on the Victorian Turkish bath—to distinguish between the two and provide a separate history of the latter. I am currently working on a more structured and sourced article on the Victorian Turkish bath to replace the current one which mainly comprises corrections and additions to the section on the bath before it was separated from the article on the Hammam. I will, of course be looking for any disagreement before making any replacements, and continuously afterwards throughout the process and welcome all comments, factual corrections, etc. If there are no general objections I will give prior notice before changing the various areas of the article.
To this end I have given some advance notice of what I propose and a plan of which areas will be amended first. I have invited comments from all those with an interest in this subject. The current situation appears on the Talk page of the Victorian Turkish bath article, and to avoid unnecessary duplication will not be repeated on this page. I hope this will prove satisfactory and look forward to a healthy discussion with all those interested in the subject.
Ishpoloni (talk)  23:29, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Hammam and Victorian Turkish Bath articles 

message: In the article on Bathing, the section on Hot-air baths had the Main article reference as Victorian Turkish baths. It seemed to me that this was only true in the West and certainly not in the Islamic World. I have therefore added Hammam as an equivalent second main article, with the introductory paragraphs from Hammam added as summary. I hope this is in order.Ishpoloni (talk) 11:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hammams and the Bathing article 

message: The redirect Turkish bath has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  R Prazeres (talk) 00:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Turkish bath]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]