Talk:Haole

message: Hey , just a heads up--the cite you just added seems to be WP:CIRCULAR source: "(Wikipedia)" is cited at the end of the definition and it's basically a copy of the lede from 2016 or so. Also, bizarrely, I just clicked through and the "ɔ" sign (Open O sound) doesn't appear in Help:IPA/Hawaiian or Hawaiian phonology? It was added here and has been unsourced ever since, and I wonder if it should just be fully removed. Alyo (chat·edits) 19:42, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching that! I reverted my edit, but if you can find & add the correct Hawaiian pronunciation, that would be great. Peaceray (talk) 19:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: I was lucky enough to recognize a link to a source with the full Charles W. Kenn article from the 1944 Paradise of the Pacific printed in 1961 that I have in my own collection. In reviewing the other sources, as well as the original Kenn source, I am endeavoring to remove unsubstantiated claims, claims relying on primary sources only or claims that use sources that cannot be verified. Much will probably return in some form or another using reliable book sources from notable experts, but the sources currently used are also being checked for accuracy of the summary.Mark Miller (talk) 04:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looking at all the sources 

message: After reading a decent amount of the discussions, I'm highly offended that people believe Haole to be a racial slur.... "Ha" means breath in Hawaiian "Ole"means no or to not... So when the first settlers came to Hawaii from Europe they shook the hands of our chef or Ali'i and that's not how Hawaiian people greeted one another. We would put our foreheads together and breath in, it was a way to show respect, to breath in each other's life force to know they were alive.... So when European settlers came and didn't exchange of breath Hawaiian people started to call the Haole... Only RECENTLY have people NOT NATIVE TO THE ISLANDS decided to change the actual meaning to what it's know as today.... It's just like when European people couldn't pronounce "Negro" in Spanish did THAT also became a racial slur... So what's the common denominator here? 
People are ignorant to every other persons culture or language and make their own meanings... don't you honestly find that to be ridiculously stupid? To have people from a completely different group or background telling a whole different group a completely wrong and incorrect statements. That's like any person who's never been or lived in Hawaii telling everyone what something means WHEN THEY'RE WRONG TO BEGIN WITH. This is absolutely my biggest pet peeve I've ever had... spreading the wrong information around leads to people being divided over things they dont actually know anything about. It's sickening and wrong, let's please do a BETTER job in spreading information.
Also if you guys really wanted to go down that route that the Hawaiian people "oppressed" white colonist.... You honestly better be joking... like I'm asking are you fucking kidding me. Our last queen was held hostage in her bedroom and was told that if she didn't sign Hawaii away to the WHITE COLONISTS that those same men were going to kill her to get their way... Our queen said to kill her, she'll never sign Hawaii away.... then after a week of them trying that, they told our Queen that all of her people would be killed if she didn't sign Hawaii away. She signed that stupid papers that made Hawaii the 50th state. So PLEASE tell me again about how the Hawaiian people are doing reverse racism WHEN YOU GOT THE MEANING OF THE WORD INCORRECTLY. Or let's talk about how Hawaiian people only have control over 25% of their own water and the rest is all privately owned.... hmmm please please point out to me WHERE is the reverse racism...
Sincerely, 
From a Mad Hawaiian 172.116.177.159 (talk) 17:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I take your points, but do you have any issue with the content in the article? Right now the pejorative use description in the article isn't more than two or three sentences, which I think is a fair representation of the word and the sources. Alyo (chat·edits) 20:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, most if not all the information is relying on one sided information, there's not a single Hawaiian source referenced. This happens on a lot of subjects including if you just Google the Bayonet Constitution (which is also riddled in miss-information) . Sources in my opinion that should be sighted should be from books not just online sources, because even an online source of a book could also just be someone's opinion on the matter. Also the point of making a new word... I've never heard of a Haole ele ele... in Hawaii a person on dark skin is called popolo meaning burnt or dark skin (Hawaiian meaning not Pidgin). Since Hawaii had a lot of different people; ethnicities; and languages we started to be descriptive in order to communicate... the development of Pidgin English where a lot of what this site is getting it's information... not the actual Hawaiian language or meaning.. what's being used is a complete different way of speaking... Speaking Hawaiian isn't speaking Pidgin. That's one of the biggest issues in this article mixing up what the Pidgin version of things mean and what actual Hawaiian. 172.116.177.159 (talk) 20:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not exactly true--we have multiple citations to Haunani-Kay Trask quotes and interviews. As for haole ele ele, that is from a source in the 1800s--it's not saying that is currently in use. Regardless, if you have any Hawaiian sources discussing the word haole, I'd happily take them. The issue isn't that I don't want to, it's that they are very hard to find. Alyo (chat·edits) 01:43, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Get a Hawaiian