Talk:Doves (band)

message: I've given the main paragraph a title, since the Contents box was hiding way down the bottom before. I've also moved things not directly relevant to their "History" to a "Trivia" section, and separated Sub Sub's brief history from Doves's, so there's a header that links to the main Sub Sub page.
Things that may need changing:
*There are still 2 paragraphs:
**"The band is known for its large, epic sound..."
**"The three members of Doves are"
above the contents box, should these go in their own sections? If so we'd then just have "Doves are an English rock band from Manchester, England" at the top of the page. I'm not sure which way would look tidiest.
*Martin Rebelski is currently mentioned under trivia, he may be worth mentioning in the sidebox or in the paragraph "The three members of Doves are...", instead.
*I've got Sub Sub down as 92-95 and Doves down from 98-present. There doesn't seem to be a definite set of dates for this, because:
**Sub Sub's start date: The article says they met when they were 15: do we have any idea which year this was? Or when the first Sub Sub activity was?
**The fire, apparently in 1995, was supposed to have signalled the end of Sub Sub.
**Doves's first release was in 1998.
**The Sub Sub page says their last release was also in 1998.
So were Sub Sub active 92-98? That's 3 more years after the fire. I know the Delta Tapes were leaning towards Doves-style material, an early version of Firesuite is on it for example, but then surely it's not true to say the fire marked the end of Sub Sub? It looks weird to have 1996 and 1997 as "gap years" but I don't know what the solution is there. Any input is appreciated Jimbow25 23:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into sections; also 'Sub Sub' and 'Doves' definitions 

message: "According to this interview, M62 Song, from The Last Broadcast, was recorded under a flyover of the M62 motorway (the album liner notes place the flyover at Northenden near Manchester)."
I don't have a copy of the album liner to hand, but the M62 doesn't go anywhere near Northenden (The M60 does, which used to be the M63 but was renamed to M60 in 1999, 3 years before The Last Broadcast was released). The M62 goes around the north of Manchester, Northenden is in South Manchester. Is this information from the album liner correct? If so, maybe a comment should be added to imply that the band got it wrong?!
:They did get it wrong - it is actually the M60 the song was recorded under. http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,1857188,00.html Snecklifter 11:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  M62 

message: Somebody recently removed the Doves logo from the site and I need this for the MySpace. Please upload again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaysmellsbad (talk • contribs) 16:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is possibly because it is a copyrighted image. Please consider this when uploading material to this or any other site.Snecklifter 11:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doves logo 

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message: I thought it might be fun to try and figure out where the new album is being recorded based on the clues we have. If I find a serious potential location I might even be up for a bit of a stake out to get photos. Just for a laugh of course and it would all go on Wikipedia.
They've said that they're recording the new album in a small country village in the Peak District. Next to a llama farm apparently and there can't be too many of them. The working title of one of their songs is also 'Disco Eyam' and Eyam is a village in the Peak District. However I'm from Eyam and I'm not aware of any llama farm, but I think it's more likely that the farm is just a normal farm that happens to have llama's as well as other animals. Considering the sizes of some of the farms round there, it's difficult to tell what types of animals each one has. People don't breed llamas for the sake of it though and I know theres a llama trekking (amongst other things) business but I'm still trying to figure out where it is. I'm led to believe its run by one Hope Valley Travel Group although I'm not definite and where they are located I can't figure out. The Hope Valley is unsurprisingly a valley in the Peak District (with the village of Hope in the middle) but due to the lack of city's in the Peak District we use Hope Valley in place of a city name in our addresses. Eyam is about 15 minutes drive from the Hope Valley but we still put Hope Valley as our area in our address as do many other villages but I'm not sure how large or where the Hope Valley categorisation extends.--Santahul 12:43, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recording of new album 

message: allmusic says the band was formed in Manchester. They recorded and played their gigs in Manchester, and are closely identified with the Manchester music scene. Wouldn't it make more sense to put Manchester as the band's origin? Most bands I've come across on Wikipedia have the larger city whose scene they are associated with as their origin rather than the insignificant suburb they were born in, like MC5. None of the resources listed on this page suggest they consider themselves a Wilmslow band rather than a Manchester band.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agonotheta (talk • contribs) 05:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also remember that the requirement for inclusion is verifiability not truth.Lame Name (talk) 10:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: As the first requested move (above) didn't go anywhere, I'm going to try again.
:Doves → Doves (band) — Per Cats/Cat/Cats (musical), Cars/Car/Cars (film), and (not trying to be vulgar here) Faggots/Faggot/Faggots (novel) (which recently underwent a requested move in favour of plural/singular redirect here). WP:Naming conventions (plurals)#Redirects seems to support the singular/plural redirecting too. The overall idea is that most people typing in "doves" will be looking for "dove". Additionally, "doves" may refer to Doves (Gibraltar). As with Cars and Cats, the hatnote at Dove will lead them to disambiguation, which lists both Doves uses. Thoughts? -M.Nelson (talk) 00:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and moved the page. The earlier request should have worked, because our general rule is to make obvious-seeming moves when there's no opposition. This one seems uncontroversial enough. If someone wants to claim that most links and searches for "Doves" are intended for the band, but I don't see why we would default to that option.  If there are any questions about this move, please don't hesitate to let me know. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way... there are currently 211 links to Doves, some of which are links intended for the band, and some of which aren't. Those ought to be sorted out. I can work on it, but there's no guarantee I'll have them all done by any particular time. Just a heads-up. -GTBacchus(talk) 02:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I responded on your talk page; I can fix a significant portion within the next 24 hours. -M.Nelson (talk) 03:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I ended up fixing them all because I wasn't tired. I'm surprised to find that we don't seem to have any discussion of doves as symbols of peace. At least I haven't found it. The article on dove does not contain the word "peace", and vice versa. -GTBacchus(talk) 08:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2

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message: The BBC News story refers specifically to touring and live dates. It makes no mention of the band being on a hiatus so does it make sense to have changed the tense of the first 2 sentences and have extended the cancellation of live dates to a 'hiatus'? Eurmal (talk) 13:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. I've changed the article back. U-Mos (talk) 18:02, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Doves on Hiatus? 

message: Discussion following reversion of my WP:BOLD merge of Black Rivers into this article (). Black Rivers gives a clear WP:MERGEREASON of short text, with no realistic prospect of expansion eight years after the band ceased activity. U-Mos (talk) 18:33, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal