Talk:Taishanese

message: I also speak the language but there are multiple incorrect stuff on the form that I had deleted before I signed up a year ago and now it is back. I deleted a part where it demonstrates the difference between Cantonese and toisanese using the letter 3 as an example, and one of the words mean crumble, and not knowing how to put it into word form due to the fact that some letter like three starts with something like clh sound but it is like hissed out. Most words are hard to put into the article in sound form due to it been different from languages I know. People keep having saam as lhaam or something like that, which means crumble. Sorry for bad English and grammar, I failed English. Don't ask me how. parts of the article that is incorrect that makes me laugh will come back once in a while.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itrumpy (talk • contribs) 08:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Very Confusing

message: So i speak a lil taishanese and it almost sounds like a mix between mandarin and cantonese/ And then a korean man said that he can understand taishanese. Is this true?
Hey Matt C.
I am not too sure about being understandable to a Korean, but I do know that the Taishanese originally are from Northern China, which is why some of the words sound a little bit like Mandarin. After mass migration to the South, Taishanese became influenced by the languages of South Asia, including a bit of Cantonese, Thai, and even some Mien (Anne Yue-Hashimoto). This is why Taishanese is actually not a dialect of Cantonese, but a general dialect of Chinese, as it is a conglomeration of many linguistic influences. In fact, there are dialects within the Taishan language itself, which is why some may even consider it a language on its own.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.160.118.24 (talk) 02:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds almost like a hybrid of mandarin and cantonese

message: I'd love to avoid edit wars over transcriptions. Is there any definitive transcription (other than IPA) for Toisanese? We've gone through at least two rounds of edits and reversions over the transcription for ɬ (as in "lhaam"). --Waitak 03:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcription 

message: Subset and superset are not equal, you cannot say mammals and animals are the same.  See also Talk:Taishan  Kowloonese 00:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  equating Hoisanese to Siyi 

message: I don't know who keeps changing "ngoi" to "ngoik". I don't know which accent this occurs in, but I have never heard "ngoik". I have added a reference (Deng 2000) to support changing "ngoik" back to "ngoi". Please do not change it back if you have no reference to support it.
Deng has also published a dictionary on two varieties of the Siyi dialects, one from Kaiping and one from Taishan.
Aaron Lee 02:30, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this yours? Waitak 04:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did put this site up several years ago when I was an undergrad at UCLA. The paper has undergone many revisions since, and I have also moved onto more careful, more well researched and more experimentally-based work. I do not consider it to be a good resource on the Taishan dialect. The best research on the Taishan dialect has been done by Deng Jun, who is a retired professor in Changsha (Hunan). Aaron Lee 02:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough. On the other hand, though, I think that your work is about the only thing on the Web on Taishanese. I wonder if some of his work could be made available on the Web? Are you in touch with him? (Et comment ça se fait que tu parles autant de langues? :-) Waitak 02:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ngoi 

message: I was the original creator of the article. It wasn't very good, as it was one of my earlier articles and wasn't as well researched as it should have been (and I lost Taishanese fluency somewhere in my childhood). I started it with the hope that others would see it, be interested, and maybe pick things up from there. But nice to know that other interested editors are picking up the burden and improving the article with better information. A hearty thanks to ye!--Yuje 06:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for the updates 

message: I was sad to read that Hoisanese lost a great number of speakers recently. I know that this is because many of the speakers are gone now and their children or grandchildren cannot speak the language. This saddens me that so many speakers are lost just because the language was not passed down. I wish that the language would be passed on. I am the only person in my whole school who can speak Hoisanese whose parents are not from post-communist China. Everyone I know who speaks Hoisanese has a pinyin lastname, signifying their post-communist China status. I wish that there were more like me who are interested in learning the language, but sadly in America knowing English is what will get one around. Therefore, I have always felt that America is essentially the one killing Hoisanese. Along with the strong influence from Hong Kong in Hoisan, I am afraid of Hoisanese's fate. Even one of my friends who was born in Hoisan told me that she likes Hong Kong; whenever I speak Hoisanese to her she scoffs at it. How can people hate their own kind? Sometimes I feel like Hoisanese people who are not in Hoisan are the only ones who care about the language. It seems like Hoisanese people in China do not care about the language. I am happy that there are so many efforts to save Hoisan language. It makes me feel better that Hoisan will not give way to Cantonese. However, when I speak Hoisanese, I feel as if there is a sacred bond between me and the person I am speaking with. I have never seen a non-Hoisanese person speaking it. Hoisanese is almost like a secret language to me, which only another fellow Hoisan person would understand. One of my friends says that he could not learn it if he wanted to because he grandma does not want him to learn. He said it is because she wants to keep what she says a secret. No matter where you go though, there will always be people with different opinions, and Hoisan people are no exception. My advice to everyone here is to speak Hoisanese to everyone you know and to try to expand it. If Hoisan had a television channel or some movie or CD in the native dialect, it would be preserved better and maybe more popular. I am waiting for the day that Hoisan has a television channel or some type of media. Until then, my mission will never end though.
:I talked with a demographer at UCLA who told me that there are actually more Taishanese speakers in North America today than in 1965. But with the number of Chinese in America today at over 20 times the 1965 population, this means that Taishanese make up only a small fraction of the Chinese American community, which is why it feels like it is dying out. Most Taishanese speakers in the United States are first and second generation Taishanese Americans, not third or fourth generation (like yours truly). Such attrition in native speakers is not unusual. Almost all of the younger Taishanese speakers are immigrants or children of immigrants who arrived in North America in the last twenty years; according to Chinese American community organizers on the East and West Coast, these newer immigrants now make up the majority of the Taishanese speakers in North America. In China I found a certain amount of pressure against speaking Taishanese, but while there were no television shows, there were indeed radio programs. When I mentioned the feeling of many overseas Chinese -- that Taishanese is dying out -- I was laughed at. While I can imagine that in 100 years this might be the case, Taishanese is today nowhere near a dying language. If one takes the conservative estimate that 75% of all people in Taishan speak Taishanese, then this large number of speakers means that there are still more speakers of Taishanese than of more than half of the world's languages. That's a lot! (In the future, you should also sign your post.) Aaron Lee 14:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoisanese and Cantonese 

message: Are there Toisanese speakers in Hainan Province? Someone should provide evidences. Sonic99 (talk) 00:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Toisanese spoken in Hainan? 

message: I am sorry that I've been MIA for the longest time, leaving much of the page incomplete. I have been meaning to fill out information with the work of Deng Jun on the Taicheng 台成 dialect, but at least for now, work is consuming much of my spare time. You may not have access to his dictionary, but I invite the rest of you to look at his online posts for yourselves, and maybe you can use this info to help boost the quality of this page (http://seiyip.guoho.cn/viewthread.php?tid=142&extra=page%3D1). Although I would have of course included references to other works as well, most of my updates would follow Deng Jun's analysis, which is the most thorough description of Taishanese to date in my opnion. Aaron Lee (talk) 01:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taishan (Taicheng) Dialect Summary 

message: What's currently note 7 in the article points to a reference (Yip2002) that's not in the reference list. Could someone who knows what it's meant to refer to please either supply the reference or delete the note? Thanks! Waitak (talk) 14:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my fault. I just added the reference, along with the other missing references. Sorry about that! Aaron Lee (talk) 22:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, Aaron! And thanks for all of the great work you've done on this article over the years. It's really appreciated. Waitak (talk) 12:41, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yip 2002 

message: so i was reading on this to amuse myself to what the internet knows about my people and when i read that i laughed pretty hard lol. on the part where they translate 3 words we, you, and they in to 3 different chinese languages they got only 1 right and that's we. with you and they the pronunciations they put down was all slang. you is pronounced ney like the sound a horse makes (no pun intended) and there is no single word that means they in this language. that's like going to the united states page and on the language section and putting down them/they is pronounced y'all, friend is pronounced as hommie or dog, etc you get my point lol. Retardsrwe (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  something wrong on the writing system part 

message: What causes the difference between the two 陽入 tones? Is it vowel length like the two 陰入 tones in Cantonese? (And is the latter the case for Hoisanese too?) Did I get the tones right in Four_tones#Distribution_in_modern_Chinese? — kwami (talk) 15:59, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question! I know that both the 低陽入 and the 高陽入 tones overlap with the Guangzhou/HK 陽入 tone, although the Chinese page suggests a different overlap. The 低陽入 tone in Kaiping sometimes corresponds to a 陰入 tone in Taishan. At least one Taishan dialect lacks the 低陽入 completely. I wish I could give you a response that has more of an answer than musings, but I don't know much in this area. There was a book by Tsuji Nobuhisa that might be able to help, if I can find out how to get my hands on a copy. Do you have a list of sample characters to try out? I can look them up—and/or have a friend sound them out. Aaron Lee (talk) 03:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I browsed through A Guide to the Tai-Shan Dialect by Anne Yue-Hashimoto, and she suggests that the 低陽入 tone might best be considered morphologically derived; this tone is not shared by all Taishanese varieties. I'm not sure what the best way is to include this tone in the four tones table. I hope this helps! Aaron Lee (talk) 08:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  verifying tones 

message: I noticed that User:Lonelydarksky reverted a recent edit at Taishanese because it was contributed by a sock puppet. I'd noted the edit and the actual content seemed fine. Any problem with reverting it back? Waitak (talk) 14:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent undo 

message: if possible, I would like to have Taishanese Wkipedia link to my Taishanese/Toisanese blog www.toisanpride.com. I have been blogging for the past few years on various topics mixed in with my personal family history as a 2nd generation Toisanese as I call it. It's so awesome to witness interest in a fading dialect and culture. Thank you so much for your consideration. Toisan girl  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toisangirl (talk • contribs) 07:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Does your blog contain Taishanese text and pronunciations? --JasonN34 (talk) 07:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toisanpride.com 

message: I have a friend in the Chicago area (grew up in chinatown and then moved to suburbs) whose parents are ethnically Chinese but are from Burma/Myanmar. Growing up, he was told that his parents both spoke Burmese and Taishanese, and that his dad also spoke Standard Cantonese, Mandarin, and some English. When they spoke to him, he was told they used Taishanese. My friend can currently only speak a drop of the language he calls Taishanese, but he can understand a fair amount of it. However, I've recently begun learning Standard Cantonese, and we've noticed that a lot of what he thought was Taishanese is actually Standard Cantonese, including closed class words. For example, we discovered that he pronounces 三 as saam instead of lhaam. He said that's how his parents say it, and we're wondering if a significant population of Chinese Americans in the Chicago area, or possibly of Chinese Burmese, speak a consistent hybrid of the two. Has anyone encountered this, either in person or in literature? Dsrguru (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creole of Taishanese and Standard Cantonese? 

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