Talk:Julius Caesar/Family, affairs and sexuality

message: I feel that it is more appropriate that the section on Caesar's family begin with his more proven legal relatives (such as his wives, children, and grandchild), and his undisputed female lovers, rather than his unproven homosexual lovers.  I also editted the section on his homosexual lovers somewhat; the quotes are no longer there, but the substance of the accusations and Caesar's response to them is there.  I think it would be appropriate to add to this section a note about his ancestors (Venus and Romulus), and his more immediate relatives (such as Gaius Marius).  If we're going to sum up his family, let's do it right.  ---Mr. Nexx 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization of Caesar's Family 

message: Julius Caesar married Cleopatra VII. Julius was 54 and Cleopatra was 21. Also, the story of Cleopatra and Caesar is full of love, romance, greed, and war.a Roman army led by Julius Caesar arrived in Egypt. Caesar was pursuing (going after, chasing) A Roman army that tried to keep him from returning to Rome. She arranged to have a huge carpet (rug) delivered to the 54-year-old Caesar. When he unrolled it, he found the 22-year-old former queen wrapped inside. Caesar and Cleopatra became lovers, and Cleopatra got what she wanted from him. The Roman general led his army to capture and kill the people who removed her from power.she was in love with Julius Caesar. Caesar and Cleopatra spent the next several months traveling along the Nile, where Caesar saw how the Egyptian people worshipped her. Caesar was a very powerful general who conquered many lands, but he knew that becoming a pharaoh was something he could never achieve. He saw his marriage to Cleopatra might unite Rome with Egypt. Perhaps their son could eventually rule this great empire. Caesar returned to Rome in 46 BCE with Cleopatra and their newborn son, Caesarion. At this time, Caesar already had a Roman wife. Many Romans were shocked that he would also marry a foreign womanCaesar returned to Rome in 46 BCE with Cleopatra and their newborn son, Caesarion. At this time, Caesar already had a Roman wife. Many Romans were shocked that he would also marry a foreign woman. But Julius Caesar was very popular with the Roman people. They named him dictator (ruler with complete power). Cleopatra was not popular with the Romans, however. She had called herself the "new Isis" (an Egyptian goddess), and she didn't worship the Roman gods. The senators of Rome were threatened Julius Caesar's popularity and power. Caesar used his power to make many changes in Rome, often without approval from the Senate. A year after his election as dictator, the Roman people elected Caesar "dictator for life." The Roman senators were outraged. On March 15, 44 B.C., Caesar was met by a mob of sixty senators who stabbed the him to death.The senators of Rome were threatened Julius Caesar's popularity and power. Caesar used his power to make many changes in Rome, often without approval from the Senate. A year after his election as dictator, the Roman people elected Caesar "dictator for life." The Roman senators were outraged. On March 15, 44 B.C., Caesar was met by a mob of sixty senators who stabbed the him to death.The senators of Rome were threatened Julius Caesar's popularity and power. Caesar used his power to make many changes in Rome, often without approval from the Senate. A year after his election as dictator, the Roman people elected Caesar "dictator for life." The Roman senators were outraged. On March 15, 44 B.C., Caesar was met by a mob of sixty senators who stabbed the him to death. She thought that she was once again in control of Egypt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ls600h (talk • contribs) 11:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleopatra's relationship with Julius Caesar 

message: "Caesar arrived a short time afterwards. As a welcoming present he received Pompey's head and ring in a basket. However, he was not pleased in seeing his enemy, once his ally and son-in-law, murdered by traitors."
I dont understand. How can Pompey be Caesars son-in-law? It doesn't seem to be mentioned elsewhere in the article
Jonatan 22:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Son-in-law

message: Cossutia being his first wife isn't mentioned in the article, only in the sidebar, and I don't recognise the name. I'll remove it pending discussion and references.
:According to Suetonius, Caesar was engaged to Cossutia by his family when he was a boy. She came from a wealthy equestrian family, but he broke off the engagement and married Cinna's daughter Cornelia when he became Flamen Dialis  - the priesthoods were strictly patrician. Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology  calls her Caesar's first wife, but Suetonius doesn't actually say he married her, just that he had been engaged to. --Nicknack009 12:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cossutia

message: I've removed the succession box entry for the Julio-Claudian dynasty, as I strongly doubt that Julius Caesar is properly considered part of that dynasty. Paul August ☎ 21:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might as well just call it the Claudian dynasty and have done with it.... Bill 22:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Augustus, and his Vipsanian grandchildren, are generally considered part of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, aren't they? john k 13:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although, thinking about it, there really weren't any Julians in the Julio-Claudian dynasty.  We have Octavians, Vipsanians, and Claudians, perhaps some Antonians and Aemilians...but no Julians. john k 13:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I wasn't as clear as I could have been. The traditional scholarly name of the dynasty is Julio-Claudian; the Julio- refers to Julius. It seems most peculiar, in the particular baroque kind of way for which Wikipedia is notorious, to remove Julius from the dynasty which he founded. Bill 14:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had always that the "Julio-" referred to his adopted son, Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus, aka Augustus. john k 14:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And since Augustus was born neither Julius nor Caesar, but adopted by the original JC, as extra-crispy he took the name from guess where. Wikipedia really needs to stop reinventing the wheel! Bill 17:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that noramlly Julius Caesar is not considered part of the Julio-Claudian dynasty—Augustus is normally the start because the Caesar was not an emperor. However, he is closely linked to the dynasty and it should be mentioned. —David618 t e 21:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The man born Gaius Octavius acquired his status as a Julian from his adoption by Caesar.  But that doesn't mean that Julius Caesar was part of the Julio-Claudian dynasty, any more than it means that Julius Caesar's father, through him Caesar himself acquired his Julian status, was a member of the Julio-Claudian Dynasty.  My understanding of this originally is that Augustus, Tiberius, and Caligula are technically "Julians", because Augustus was adopted son of Julius Caesar, Tiberius the adopted son of Augustus, Germanicus the adopted son of Tiberius, and Caligula the actual son of Germanicus.  On the other hand, Claudius and Nero are Claudians, since Claudius was never adopted into the Julian clan, and Nero (originally Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus) was his adopted son.  The connection into a single "Julio-Claudian" Dynasty can come from a) the fact that Tiberius and Caligula were both, by blood, Claudians; and b) the fact that all these rulers were closely related to one another, and it doesn't make a terrible amount of sense to artficially separate them on the basis of adoptions.  thus "Julio-Claudians".  It has nothing terribly much to do with Caesar the elder. john k 23:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re Julio-Claudian dynasty 

message: Ari89, you removed the statement that Caesar's father died suddenly "while putting on his shoes one morning". Well, yes he did, or at least that's what Pliny the Elder (cited in the footnote to that passage) says. I quote: "Two of the Cæsars, one of whom was at the time prætor, and the other had previously discharged that office, and was the father of the Dictator Cæsar, died without any apparent cause, in the morning, while putting on their shoes; the former at Pisæ, the latter at Rome." --Nicknack009 18:07, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caesar's father's death

message: The only reference I ever found of a Tertia (or Tertulla) daughter of Servilia Caepionis was in Suetonius (Caesar, 50), where she is referred to be Caesar's mistress. Now, since we are talking about Romans not Ptolomies, that's quite different from daughter. Can anybody provide a reference for the addition of Tertia to Caesar's descendants? If not, I'll remove it in two days. Cheers, Muriel Victoria 07:57, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Tertia (or Tertulla)