Talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart/Archive 1

message: This needs a lot of work! I'll try and get round to it at some stage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmlynch (talk • contribs) 04:30, 8 May 2001 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comment is from this revision of the Talk:Mozart page. Graham87 09:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've history merged the edits to the talk page before the page move (see below) to the main "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart" talk page. Graham87 10:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment from May 2001

message: This is a prime example of the 'title'-discussion. I dont really like that this pages´ title is "Mozart" and not 'Wolfang Amadeus Mozart'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandos (talk • contribs) 12:59, 27 July 2001 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  There has been more than one person with the last name "Mozart."  I've moved it to an unambiguous title.  Koyaanis Qatsi —Preceding undated comment added 10:08, 20 March 2002 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: I have added a subsection about a brief critical and historical approach to  Mozart's piano works, and am planning to prepare similar paragraphs about other topics (chamber music, instrumental music, symphonies, operas, etc.). I think that this kind of sections should add completeness to the article. Please feel free to correct any imprecision that you should find.
Bergonzc 20:57, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Covering the works

message: If I were to want to include a complete or expanded discography of Mozart where would it go? A seperate article entitled Discography of Mozart. Or perhaps Wolfang Amadeus Mozart/Discography? --OldakQuill 03:07, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: I have the feeling that the following paragraph can hardly be thought of as of a NPOV
Leopold was a harsh father, who took advantage of his children's musical talents by exhibiting them. Mozart took ill during his childhood, and Leopold expressed more concern over the loss of income than over Mozart himself. The cold weather and constant travel may have contributed to Mozart's later illness.
Actually, the relationship between Wolfgang and his father was somehow more complicated than what is reported above, and one should not forget that Leopold was the first music teacher of Wolfgang and kept caring about his son for his whole lifetime (of course, following his ideas and attitudes, that may be obviously criticized).
The estimation of Leopold has undergone deep changes in time: he was a myth in the 19th century, and became an ugly monster in the 20th. Shouldn't we try to propose - in an encyclopedia - something that may appear less judgemental?
Comments, anyone?
Bergonzc 21:26, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leopold, harsh father? 

message: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was described as having this condition (anasarca) before he died.
According to the June 2000 edition of Discover magazine, out of the most likely causes of swelling like these (liver disease, renal disease and congestive heart failure), it is likely that Mozart died from problems relating to his heart as there was an epidemic of rheumatic fever in Vienna at the time and because the other two are unlikely causes given Mozart's known history. - (unsigned)
*Well then, (though I've not read it) I suspect Discover magazine is being silly. Rheumatic fever is one consequence of streptococcal pharyngitis. But another is renal failure causing nephrotic syndrome (and thus anasarca). So they can't really "rule out" renal disease (nor can they with much legitimacy argue that Mozart "probably" died of rheumatic fever because it was epidemic). Nor have they listed all the possible causes of anasarca. These "retrospective" diagnoses are always rather tenuous, and should rarely be taken as proven. - Nunh-huh 19:27, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical history 

message: It's true that the full, official name of the Holy Roman Empire includes the phrase (in German) "of the German Nation".  However, the vast majority of readers of our Mozart article will be familiar with this political entity simply as "The Holy Roman Empire."  If we put in "of the German Nation", people will be puzzled, and wonder if Mozart was perhaps born in some other empire...
In my opinion, we will serve our readers best if we call the Empire by its ordinary name in English.  Those who want to find out its full name will learn it if they follow the Holy Roman Empire link.  Opus33 15:22, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation

message: I'm not sure about the value of the Rondo alla turca Rendering given in the OGG-File.
1) If it obviously is a MIDI-Rendering, why convert it to OGG
2) Many of the more complicated ornaments of the piece are simply left out, so that it sounds, as if it had been written 100 years earlier - the playfullness is what makes this piece and a innaccurate PC-Rendering will not show the artistic values of it. grovel 11:57, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
:Note in addition that you can still access this file from Piano Sonata No. 11 (Mozart).  So I've deleted the link from here.  Opus33 18:49, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Media Files

message: I'm glad to see this article getting tightened up a bit.  Along these lines, would anybody get upset if we cease to include the passages given below?
:Yet the focus on Mozart's "genius" rather than on the greatness of his music is aided and abetted by his music itself, which is perhaps the most "mysterious" of all classical music. For it lends itself even less than that of the other major classical composers to being described in words or having its essence reduced to particular aesthetic or technical concepts or principles, in the way that Bach is described as the master of counterpoint and Beethoven as the master of symphonic form and development.
:Mozart's distinction as a genius and prodigy has sometimes operated as a cause of confusion and distraction in the estimation of his music, since Mozart's greatness as a composer derives from what many regard as the beauty, profundity, expressive and emotional subtlety, unique imagination, and grandeur of his music. None of these characteristics seem obviously connected with or dependent on the fact that he composed at an early age, had a prodigious musical memory, was a performing virtuoso as a child, could compose entire compositions in his head, could write an entire work on the day of its first performance, could write out the entirety of Gregorio Allegri's Miserere after hearing it one time (he returned a second time to correct minor errors), and so on.
I moved the Allegri tale to the Life section, so it's not disappearing.  Otherwise, I feel this stuff is not in conformity to the NPOV principle, and also is not very factual or informative. 
I also left in the paragraph on what well-known people (as opposed to Wikipedia editors) think about Mozart.  Opus33 18:42, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Estimation

message: "For example, Mozart wrote two Piano Concertos in Minor. We can distinguish between the two, as one is K466, and one is K491."
umm.. the key isn't mentioned, which is a typo, and anyway according to K491 is in C minor and K466 is in D minor! [User:Cogent, 05:49 29 Nov 2004]
:I fixed it up a bit.  See if it reads better now--I wasn't sure exactly what it meant before.  Also I added the Alfred Einstein revision in 1937.  Antandrus 06:22, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with Concerto example

message: The experiment where people who listened to Mozart before taking an IQ test was reproduced, as any scientific experiment should be, several times. The conclusion - the higher scores were due to encouragement, the people who listened to Mozart before taking the test were told they are expected to score higher for that reason. In one experiment, one group of Asian women were told they are expected to score higher on math tests because of their genetics, while another group was calmed by other means, and another was simply left alone. You can guess the results. Also, people who have listened to Mozart at the waiting room, not knowing it to be planned... you see where I'm going.
[ Above unsigned comment was by User: Dorfl ] Yeah, I forgot to sign. I struggled to recall my password (changed my e-mail since registering, updated now), that's also why I edit anonymously.
:Hi Dorfl, I don't know about others on the page, but I m welcome to discussion considering how best to handle this point. First up, do you have a source for the above statements? I don't really doubt you, but I like to know where evidence being offered comes from so I can read it myself. Second, the concept that Mozart music helps IQ, development, is soothing, etc. is fairly widespread and probably deserves added comments instead of outright deletion so both sides are mentioned. I don't expect much necessarily needs to be said to cover it adequately for here, but then if lots of info comes up we could make a separate article about the controversy and link this page to it. By the way, to sign your comments, just add four tildes (use shift with key to left of 1 on keyboard) and it automatically adds name and timd/datestamp, like this: DreamGuy 14:23, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
:I too would appreciate a source on this, preferably a good source on both sides.  Dorfl, you have to recognize that if you log in anonymously and then delete an entire paragraph without explanation, you will be reverted, since that is a very common form of vandalism on Wikipedia.  Thanks for clarifying that your deletion wasn't casual vandalism though.  Regarding the Mozart and development issue, I'm neutral--it smells a little funny to me, so I don't care if it is in the article or not, but I'd really like to see a source debunking it as pseudoscience if that is indeed the case.  Thanks! Antandrus 16:29, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pseudoscience

message: Does anyone have even a rough translation of "hitziges Frieselfieber" which was listed as Mozart's cause of death?
:"Severe miliary fever" (where "miliary" refers to a rash resembling millet seeds).  (From the New Grove article.)  Antandrus 01:39, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death 

message: ...to those responsible for this fine article, which I found very clear and balanced, with many appropriate links to avoid clutter. I have given it a careful and pedantic editing to fix some punctuation, some stylistic inconsistencies, and some grammatical errors that had crept in. I have trodden lightly and circumspectly, and my only request is that you do the same! --Noetica 04:04, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congratulations... 

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thread_title: Assessment comment