Talk:List of KLM destinations

message: Hi there, I have noticed several destinations in this list ( Berlin, Norwich ) which are routes operated by KLM cityhopper. Seperate lists for Cityhopper and KLM  is a bit confusing. Do you think they should be merged?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyBoy3406 (talk • contribs) 11:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KLM or KLM Cityhopper 

message: Why remove the names of the cities for small countries? Bahrain International Airport is near Manama, Bahrain's capital. So state the name of Manama, just as in all other cases. The same in true for Singapore, Kuwait City and Luxembourg City. Schalkcity (talk) 11:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  City names including 

message: Istanbul Airport is located in the European part of Turkey, so it is listed under 'Europe' instead of 'Asia'. Despite the largest part of Turkey is part of Asia. Schalkcity (talk) 16:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Istanbul Airport 

message: Since when does KLM Cargo fly to Riyadh airport? If someone saw an airplane of KLM Cargo recently on Riyadh airport, be aware that all KLM Cargo planes are currently operated by Martinair, but that the planes have not been repainted. Schalkcity (talk) 14:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, for your information in schedules Riyadh was appearing with KL coded flight numbers thats why it was added to destinations list, only sometime back it was changed to MP coded ones, so NOW its not a KL cargo destination, Montevideo and Sharjah still are KL coded flights in schedules http://www.af-klm.com/cargo/b2b/wps/portal/b2b/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLN4o3cwoGSYGZRgH6kRhi_phixj4IMV-P_NxU_SCgXKQ5UMjIJCRQ31s_QL8gNzQ0otzTEQAi8t6z/delta/base64xml/L0lDVE83b0pKN3VhQ1NZQSEvb01vZ0FFSVFoQ0VNWWhDR0lRSVNBQSEhLzRCMWljb25RVndHeE9VVG9LNzlZUWchIS83XzJfMjRUUS8zNA!!#7_2_24TQ look up Sharjah too.119.155.44.186 (talk) 20:52, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Riyadh 

message: You can add a column for Continent/Region thats allowed, but do not break up the table into small bits as was being done, the whole table should remain continuous.116.71.31.59 (talk) 23:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes no sense to have one long table. It is not useful. By breaking it up in UN specified regions, it makes much more sense. Schalkcity (talk) 14:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Concensus approved one long table keeping in mind the sense bit.116.71.4.234 (talk) 21:27, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is consensus to have a single table, please respect this. This has among other things been established at two featured list discussions and discussions at the project page. If you want to include regions, this can be done by adding another column. The whole point of using a table is to allow the reader to sort the table in accordance to the criteria they desire. By breaking the table up into multiple sections, it is impossible to sort the whole table as one. List of Braathens destinations and List of Dragonair destinations have both been past as featured lists, which means that the foremost expertise on lists on the project has reached consensus that they have an optimal layout and design. Arsenikk (talk) 21:43, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Someone else is now butting in and reverting my edit after I added the region column, which should have been done by the people who wanted the regions, dont know why I wasted my time.119.155.43.183 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regions and Continents 

message: All of these 133 destinations are served by KLM Cargo, because the largest part of the capacity of KLM Cargo consists of belly freight, thus freight carried in the belly of passenger aircraft. Beside that, a part of the capacity of KLM Cargo consists of the the freight carried in the rear part of the 747 Combi aircraft. And finally, KLM has 4 full freighter aircraft, but their capacity is currently at 0% since they are all leased out to Martinair (and operated on Martinair's AOC). So the green entries simply mark a random few destinations served by Martinair Cargo. So I've removed the green labels. Schalkcity (talk) 20:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Istanbul, almaty, moscow are exclusive KLM cargo freighter routes from beginning they're not from MP network, they should be indicted in listing, the rest PVG, DEL, HKG, SIN are all code share routes of MP's network so no need to include those, maybe you find the green colour clashing with KL colours blue/grey thats why you find excuse to remove them :))), but they can be indicted by using some symbol, not colour.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.59.74 (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green entries of KLM Cargo 

message: Hi. I believe the use of Bahrain is more suitable than that of Manama, as there exists a single civil airport serving the entire country. Same applies for Singapore.--Jetstreamer (talk) 20:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the Bahrain vs. Manama use 

message: You should'nt merge destinations of two carriers if both have seprate articles including destination lists, you can however add a paragraph directing to the second airline article e.g for additional destinations see KLM Cityhopper, this can also be added at end of list as new section 'See also, I tried merging routes of some but its considered vandalism, air india group could do this but its not permitted by editors they revert such edits.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.155.59.74 (talk) 18:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  KLM cityhopper 

message: What is the extra added info for the use of the regions (now: continents) column? Especially now that the column is renamed to continents, it does not really add important info. Now all destinations in Asia, from Tel Aviv to Manila, are considered 'the same' (i.e. Asia). My opinion: remove the whole column. Anybody against this? Schalkcity (talk) 09:37, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree. Go ahead.--Jetstreamer (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too, very confusing! I think just the city and country is good enough. Snoozlepet (talk) 01:02, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  removing regions/continents column 

message: Why is the list being revised, to include all former destinations? What was wrong with the old setup, where current (and future) destinations were in 1 list and the former (no longer served) destination in a separate section? 213.148.252.228 (talk) 12:41, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is done in order to homogenise the presentation for all table-formatted destination articles. Such modifications have been recently applied to Air France destinations and Air Canada destinations, just to mention two of them.--Jetstreamer (talk) 12:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok... I get the idea... but wouldn't two tables be more useful / provide a better overview? Table 1: current and future destinations, table 2 former destinations? I don't know what the WP policy is, so if this format is the (new) WP policy, forget my questions. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 21:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  My position is to keep a single table for both terminated and current destinations, but it is actually an ongoing discussion at the Wikiproject talk page. You can kindly post your opinion here. Regards.--Jetstreamer (talk) 21:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You realize that in the current table there are several terminated destinations (such as Sharjah and Penang among others) that were only served by KLM Cargo? 213.148.252.228 (talk) 17:12, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I do. It is stressed at the top of the article that the list includes destinations for all KLM subsidiaries. Regarding your concern, if you try to get to KLM Cargo you'll be actually redirected to the KLM article.--Jetstreamer (talk) 18:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Hi Jetstreamer, KLM today has announced that it will start flying to Lusaka from 15 May 2012, 3 times a week. This will be a direct and non-stop flight from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol. Can you include this info in the list? I don't want to mess up the table you are working on. I only have a reference in Dutch for the moment, but I'm sure that within a couple of hours also English refs will be available. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 11:23, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  . Also provided a reference in English.--Jetstreamer (talk) 13:51, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

text: BTW, Olso is in Norway, not Sweden (in one of the two cases in the table Oslo is listed as Sweden, not Norway. 213.148.252.228 (talk) 14:30, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Do you see them similar?--Jetstreamer (talk) 14:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Penang used to have KLM passenger flights too before npt just cargo, Sharjah was served by Martinair Cargo with KLM code share on the service so its not really a KLM destination. 119.155.33.19 (talk) 03:32, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  revised list 

message: A discussion was started at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airlines#UK_not_a_country on whether or not the United Kingdom should be considered a country or not. Please make any comments on that page. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Kingdom 

message: Did KLM fly nonstop to Arusha, Tanzania at one time? I'm having trouble finding this info; a friend said he landed there in a 747 on an unimproved (unpaved) runway and I'm having a hard time believing that!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.73.194.25 (talk) 17:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why mentioning the destination? It's not included in the table.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arusha on KLM 

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thread_title:  Archived references not used in the article 

message: A large number of destinations are actually former destinations. This remains unclear since colors at the KLM table do not cover entire rows. gidonb (talk) 13:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:AIRLINE-DEST-LIST for the two formats agreed by consensus. This table is in one of them. I'm therefore removing the tag you added to the article.--Jetstreamer  13:15, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Jetstreamer. If the problem is with the policy (including guideline) and the conduct here is according to standing policy, then the discussion should be held elsewhere. Thank you for referring me to the relevant page! gidonb (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't mention it.--Jetstreamer  13:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading destinations table

message: Can someone add the flags in the countries section like TAROM, Saudia, Iran Air, and Ukraine International Airlines? As well as Air France, British Airways, Lufthansa, Korean Air, Delta Airlines, American Airlines, Air Canada, United Airlines, Swiss International Airlines and Emirates? 73.87.74.115 (talk) 15:26, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:AIRLINE-DEST-LIST regarding the inclusion of flags.--Jetstreamer  23:44, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

text: WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.--Jetstreamer  00:15, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The meaning of "suspend" is something that is temporarily prevented from continuing, so there is nothing unclear about the use of the word. The fact that a service to a destination is suspended does not make it any less encyclopedic, especially in a context where the suspensions are notable. I agree these lists should not fall afoul of Wikipedia is not a guide, but the suspensions comply with the policy. Also, we must be mindful that the list already includes destinations which are not served yet too, or are "temporarily" yet to begin - and it would be better to ensure that the list is neutral. Reverting edits hastily does not lend itself to collaboration, so I've inserted the current scheduled resumption dates so that there is no ambiguity. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flight Suspensions