Talk:Hurling

message: The article states that hurling has been around for 2000 years but in actuality, there are references as far back as 1300 BC (3300 years ago). Article here: http://goireland.about.com/od/specialinterestholidays/qt/gg_hurling.htm.
It's also recognised as being part of the Tailteann Games, the oldest ever recorded organised sporting event. Referenced in this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Z-Sport-Compendium-Sporting-Knowledge/dp/0316726451. 
I propose we change the article to reflect this and replace the 2000 years reference.
194.69.198.243 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Older Than Stated 

message: What is the source of the 13th century BC quotation?  Ian Cairns 23:44, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Say what?! No evidence that the Celts came to Ireland?! --Eamonnca1 TALK 22:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The reference is also to Hurling as the fastest FIELD sport.
:I've been told that ultimate frisbee is the second fastest team sport after ice hockey. Whether it's true or not I'll have to let you decide. Possibly this is in reference not to the speed of the "ball" (ie disc/frisbee in this case) but to the speed of the players; you tend to sprint a lot in ultimate frisbee. I'm not sure. --Finlay 20:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Fastest Sport? 

message: I don't understand this part:
:If the ball is caught, the catching player may not throw it or carry it for the shorter of four paces or four seconds, but is allowed to strike the ball with a stick or hand, or by kicking.
Does this mean that you can carry it for four paces, or four seconds, whichever is shorter? I take it to mean it can't be thrown, but can be held on to or struck. Shouldn't it read, ... may not throw it, but may carry it for the shorter of four paces or four seconds, by which time the ball must be struck by a hand or stick, or kicked.
The it reads it now almost seems that if you can stand still holding the ball for longer than four seconds, you can carry it all you like, but then why the part about paces?
If I'm misinterpreting this, can this be clarified for us people who are misunderstanding? - Dharmabum420 05:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on catching rules. 

message: It says in the article that this is a goalkeepers hurl this is not the case, it is a hurl which is made in Cork and is clearly this by the "spoon" shape of it.--Iano200 17:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurley(pictured) 

message: * Christy Ring of Cork
    * Seán Óg Ó hAilpín of Cork
    * D.J. Carey of Kilkenny
    * Brian Lohan of Clare
    * Eddie Keher also of Kilkenny
    * John Doyle of Tipperary
    * Phil Grimes of Waterford
    * John Keane of Waterford
    * Mick Mackey of Limerick
    * Nicky Rackard of Wexford
    * Joe Cooney of Galway
    * Tony Reddin of Tipperary
Ok the above list the following
should be listed 
  * Christy Ring of Cork
  * D.J. Carey of Kilkenny
  * Nicky Rackard of Wexford
maybe's 
 * Seán Óg Ó hAilpín of Cork
the rest IMO should be removed . Please make a case for the inclusion of the others if you feel strongly about them. 
(Gnevin 01:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a complete joke.  There is no way Sean Og should be listed as he is still playing.  Mick Mackey, John Keane and John Doyle are 3 of the greatest hurlers ever who have to be in the list. I'm now after altering it a bit.  I've created 2 categories, one for present hurlers and one for former hurlers.  As you might see I've added names to both lists.  All of the former players I've listed have to be in there.  To a lot of people, Mackey was a better hurler than even Ring.  Same goes for John Keane.Niall123 15:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Am going to reset this list again !  and add a comment that players must be discussed before being added to the articial (Gnevin 23:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely Ken McGrath should be included.  One of the finest centre backs in Ireland.  Far more famous than say Damien Fitzhenry.  I'm also stunned that you've dropped Brendan Cummins instead of Fitzhenry as he's the finest goal keeper in Ireland.  And under the title of "Famous Present Players" surely John Mullane should get a shout.  He's instantly recognisable, has scored 3 goals in a Munster final and is known for his firery temper.  Also add in the fact that Joe Deanes name was only added recently that it should also be removed from the list and only re-entered upon further discussion.  I personally don't agree with his inclusion. Niall123 08:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Players 

message: Is Cork not in hurling's heartland? 
That map is misleading.
: Agree changed to the orginial text for the map(Gnevin 21:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Considering that Westmeath are a coming force in Hurling, how about changing the map to show Westmeath as a dual county ?
Westmeath is now getting bigger crowds at Hurling matches than Football. Niall123 15:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Westmeath 

message: I just came back from the Gaelic Athletic Assocation museum at Croke Park, and to believe them, Hurling is a major nationalistic force responsible for the independence movement in Ireland succeeding etc etc. They placed much emphasis on the fact that certain military units used hurleys to drill with when they didn't have any rifles. Now, I don't know how much of all that is true, but it seems like there must be something to say on the subject? "Hurling and Irish national identity" or something? Stevage 17:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its true, but it was a Gaelic Athletic Association (not just Hurling) wide movement and involved the Gaelic League and Celtic Revival also. There's some information in these articles and also at History of Ireland (1801–1922). But more could be added. Seabhcán 16:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationalism

message: I've taken out the following: "Purdue GAA has revolutionized the sport and brought many new facets to the game. The rest of the United States has followed suit and created clubs of its own.  The sport is growing rapidly and challenges Ireland as the land of hurling supremecy."
This is blatent advertising, it is POV, and in most cases it is blatently untrue.  Hurling clubs, including US-born clubs, have been around in the USA long before Purdue discovered the sport.  We are a long way off the day when an American-born team is anywhere even close to challenging an inter-county team from Ireland.  
:Moved to correct place ,new comment go on the end not the top(Gnevin 14:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purdue Delusions 

message: Someone says it's played primarily in the Republic or Ireland.  Not true.  It's played in the north too and Antrim, Derry, and Down have decent teams, Antrim being regarded as a hurling county.  --Eamonnca1 17:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where it's played 

message: Re reverting gnevin's edit today.  Putting gaelic words up first with their English translation in brackets is entirely appropriate regardless of whether or not this is en.wikipedia.  Many Irish words are used in English, such as my name.  It's not uncommon to refer to the ball as the 'sliothar' without speaking the whole sentence as gaelige. Page reverted.  --Eamonnca1 22:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While i argee its not usual for the ball to be called the sliothar , when cominded with sliothar and Camán its an expression that i've rearly heard . Its is generaly called a hurl or hurley . I belive my edit should stand (Gnevin 22:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of Gaelic 

message: This evening I added team sports to the Position disambiguation and started to write the position (team sports) article. My start is mainly links to Wikipedia articles and sections. Perhaps it should eventually include a general discussion of something like player specialization.
From this article on hurling, I guess that goalkeeper and midfielder, at least, are specialized positions. (Each team has two midfielders who alone are eligible to contest the opening of play. Right?) Maybe position (team sports) can use a general characterization that fits several "Goalkeeper sports" (my term of the moment) and one that fits several "Server sports" (my term), where the particular sports can simply be listed. I'm not sure. Look at what I wrote for volleyball as a "server sport".
Cricket and the three biggest North American team sports all have one specialized articles devoted to field(ing) positions. Association/soccer football has that too. So I simply linked to those specialized articles. --P64 01:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position (team sports) 

message: Both Hurling and Gaelic football need this.  Most other sports have it.  --Rulesfan 23:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures of a Pitch 

message: I'm surprised this article does not include 'Hurling is the National sport of Ireland' ? as Baseball is the National sport of u.s.a and Cricket is the National sport of England (all bat & stick/hurl sports) not 'football' sports! ! There are plenty of Ref. on the 'net'.   Culnacréann  18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:Be bold and add it your self (Gnevin 23:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: National Sport

message: I think this article is in need of a cleanup.  I'm recommending the following:
*'Game' section - Too much trivia and specifics.  I'm pretty sure that the details in here could be dispersed to the sections below, this section should be a general description of how the game is played.
: I'd suggest moving it up in to the intro (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Made a change but I'm still not 100% happy with it.  I think we need a section for the stick and a section for the sliothar.  That way we can get all the nitty gritty details down and eventually remove them from the opening paragraph. --63.108.117.3 02:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Done (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

text: No really enough info a this these games are very low profile (Gnevin 14:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Owe sorry your talking about south africa etc. yet spin these off (Gnevin 14:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed major change

message: Can someone check the Square Ball rule? Is it the moment when the ball is played or the moment it enters the rectangle? --Eamonnca1 18:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Square Ball

message: Hurling is the fastest field team ball sport. Ice hockey is played on ice.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileysmileylaura (talk • contribs) 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to me to be a question of how one defines "fastest sport" as well as how you restrict various categories of sports. The article mentions the ball can be hit up to 93 mph, well some pitchers in baseball throw fastballs at speeds above this, as much as 100 mph, and baseball is played on a field. I don't particularly see anything about this sport that would make the players any faster than players in similiar types of games played on a grass field.  If there is some attributable quote to some reliable source that states an opinion about this, I'd suggest revising to something like "this has been called the fastest (insert attribute of choice) sport by X), rather than a bald statement of apparent fact. Wschart (talk) 12:44, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  R.E. Fastest Sport 

message: The picture is a very poor example of hurling, KK vs Wexford in a near empty Croke Park, change it to something from an All-Ireland final or Semple Stadium when it's full. Come on the Leinster "Chapionship" is such a joke.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.242 (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We are limited by Copyright issues here . If you have a copyright free image which is better than please add it Gnevin (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There's now no picture of a game in progress at all. This is a serious omission, and needs to be corrected fast. Even a photo of a recreational game would be better than nothing. 86.132.142.207 (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Hurling is still played in Argentina, like this video shows: . --Santista1982 (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina. 

message: Does anybody know the study and its author/authors who examined 18th or 19th century Munster and made the association between good land, strong hurling tradition and an ambitious Catholic tenantry and Protestant landlord support for hurling? There definitely must be something to add about this important historical factor in hurling demography. Dunlavin Green (talk) 11:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land quality and "hurling constituencies" 

message: Article says stoppage time is added after each half. It's only added at the end of the second half, right? --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Timekeeping

message: shouldn't Dublin be included as at least a dual county?
--Gramscis cousinTalkStalk 09:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dublin 

message: Hello,
in Officials ([]) it is written, that Standby linesman are only in inter-county games. Is it right or should it be inter-country?
Thanks,
Cleverle (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inter-county? 

message: I can see how the old map, which indicated which counties were "dominant" in one code over another and which were dual, could be construed as WP:OR and I supported its deletion.  However the new version simply indicates which counties contest which championships. These are all verifiable facts and I don't think this map constitutes OR. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 21:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, should of read the caption. Yeah this is fine Gnevin (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Counties contesting championship 

message: The lead section has two contradictory rules:
#ball may be "carried for not more than four steps, ...
#"A player who wants to carry the ball for more than three steps ..."
The first implies that 4 steps is the maximum; the latter implies that 3 steps is the maximum.  Which is it? --Noleander (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 4. Fixed. Thanks. --Eamonnca1 TALK 23:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction in rules 

message: The article currently states:
"Baiting people is allowed ".
What is meant by this? Kmc25 1 (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Baiting 

message: The text includes this sentence: "Baiting people is allowed although body-checking or shoulder-charging is illegal. "  What does "baiting" mean in this context?  If this is a legitimate word here, it should be explained as it's not obvious to the naive reader (such as myself) what it means.  If it is vandalism, someone should correct it. --108.193.6.203 (talk) 16:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Baiting" people? 

message: One of the footnotes for the phrase "is thought to be the world's fastest field team game in game play" is a link to "Google search results for "hurling fastest field game"".  It's a semi-dead link today: it just sends you to an "advanced" search on Google News.  It looks like it was a search for the two phrases "hurling" and "fastest field game".  (Today, the top hit on google.com for "fastest field game" is *this* page.)
Even if the link still worked (and it's not hard to fix), is that sufficient for a source?  Can I search for a phrase, find some hits, and use it to declare something on Wikipedia to be "thought to be" described by that catch-phrase?  That seems kind of sketchy to me.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.161.246 (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google search page as source? 

message: Hurling (Irish: Iománaíocht/Iomáint) is an outdoor team game of ancient Gaelic and Irish origin, administered by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA). The game has prehistoric origins, has been played for over 3,000 years
:Is it necessary to put both Gaelic and Irish? My understanding would be that Gaelic is the culture and Ireland the island, so would Irish not be suffice? Also the game has pre-historic origins would this not make Gaelic origin redundant, as the pre-historic culture of Ireland is not usually termed Gaelic? Thanks. 195.162.87.201 (talk) 11:55, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily redundant,  the Gaels of Scotland don't play hurling, they have shinty.  MidlandLinda (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording seems wrong/incorrect on intro 

message: Shouldn't there be references to other similar field games, like lacrosse and field hockey and any others around the world, to give non-natives a better sense of the game? __209.179.61.2 (talk) 21:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to other field games 

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message: I propose replacing the current image of Croke Park during the 2009 final with an image of an Inter-county game in progress. Personally I think this image is best. --Boardwalk.Koi (talk) 16:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for main Image 

message: Is there a reason this is a game of "ancient Gaelic Irish origin"?  I've heard "Irish Gaelic" plenty of times, but never "Gaelic Irish"; it looks like a mistake.  Nyttend (talk) 12:05, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence