Talk:Yonah (microprocessor)

message: *Intel Core, Core Duo, and Core Solo are umbrella labels and not particular architectures like Banias, Dothan, Yonah, Northwood, Prescott, Conroe, Merom, Woodcrest, etc. This article should be changed to reflect that fact.
**I think Intel Core is just for the mobile processor line. I haven't seen anything associating it with the Conroe desktop line or the Woodcrest server line yet. Frankchn 09:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Labels

message: *Personally, I support merging the Core Solo and Core Duo articles into this one. Not only are they redundant, but those two articles need massive cleanup. Both of those articles are filled with grammatical errors and horrible wording. There are run-on sentences, sentence fragments, misspellings, and some of the worst phrasing I've seen in my life (e.g. "the target for the mirgration of"). Even if there was no separate Intel Core article, I'd support deleting those two articles just to save Wikipedia's integrity. Jgp 02:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Feel free to purge, fix, or otherwise run through the food^H^H^H^Hword processor any of the stuff I've picked up from the Core Solo and Core Duo pages (I did, at least, avoid picking up "the target for the mirgration of").  If any NGMA chips come out as "Intel Core", they can be added into their own sections after the "Yonah" and "Sossaman" sections. Guy Harris 09:59, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging Core Solo and Core Duo

message: Are these real dual core CPUs like Athlon X2 or just 2 dies packaged into one like Pentium D? Personally I believe is the latter since both versions look exactly the same, and Intel could have easily disabled a core in core dual that have artifacts and brand it as core solo, thus increase the yield. This is something you cannot do with an Athlon X2 or other real dual core CPUs. --antilived T | C 02:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual core? 

message: This is important information, someone please add it.the1physicist 02:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Die Size 

message: from everyone's favorite site  I just thought everyone might want to know.the1physicist 02:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thiss seems to have moved to http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/01/28/toms_hardware_uncovers_power_drain_issue/ Plugwash 02:59, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  USB Power Consumption Bug 

message: "the Core Duo is a 32-bit processor, though this means little in terms of actual performance"
I don't think that this necessarily particularly accurate, and probably shouldn't be here. x86_64 reveals 8 extra general purpose registers, and can make a very significant performance difference under certain circumstances. Some applications, in particular databases, also benefit greatly from 64bit arithmetic ops. Rsynnott 19:10, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed everything past "the Core Duo is a 32-bit processor"; a broad claim that it "means little in terms of actual performance" is questionable, even if for most of the apps that would be run on Core Duo machines the performance improvement would be small, and the bit about addressing extra memory is also a bit broad (you don't need 64-bit virtual addresses to handle more physical memory, although you do need it to handle the additional memory in a single process without mapping stuff into and out of the address space). Guy Harris 22:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  32-bitness 

message: What is the source/significance of the names, Yonah, Merom, Sossaman?
—wwoods 20:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Intel's codenames are traditionally named after random geographic areas, especially those close to where the chip was designed. The Pentium and Core Solo/Duo were designed in Israel, so the names tend to be of Israeli origin (interestingly, Yonah seems to be one of the only exceptions to the "random places" rule: it's named after a Biblical figure, not a place). Many of Intel's mainline processors use Oregon and northern California as a source. I've heard it mentioned in some comments on a Slashdot article, from a former Intel engineer, that it's common practice to make a list of random names from Mapquest and send them to someone from Intel legal for approval (I can't find the article right now--if I find it later, I'll link to it on this page). This is because Intel wants to avoid trademark conflicts--it's much harder to trademark a geographical region. Jgp 21:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names 

message: I went to have a look at WP:MOSNUM. It appears that WP:MOSNUM has recently received a significant large edit from a new user without the normal discussion taking place first. The edit has been reverted by more experienced hands. Discussion is in progress. We might be best off allowing new guidelines to settle for a while before rushing out making changes to pages such as this one. Duckbill 17:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New WP:MOSNUM "policy" re lengths 

message: I have improved the wording. Anyone who has ever used Windows x64 should know the problems are not as major as some people appear to have suggest. General application support is not really a problem. There are few applications compiled for x64 but most 32 bit apps applications work without problem on Windows x64. Applications which require the use of device drivers or more direct access to the operating system like anti-virus software and optimisers can be a problem but many of these now have x64 versions. Games are also rarely a problem. I've only had 2 kinds of problems vis-a-vis application compatibility. Ones related to stupid game installers which fail because they try to force an install of DirectX and when this fails they simply quit. The other ones are with programs that create boot disks since many of these use Dos programs. Nil Einne 12:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Application & device drive in Windows x64 

message: I think that "the lack of on-die memory controller" should be moved from shortcoming to advantages.
It makes the processor more compatible with memory modules.
:No, it makes it easier to change memory standards.  However, the performance penalty is often seen as more important.the1physicist 04:55, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  the lack of on-die memory controller 

message: Were the sections removed by 58.69.61.111 appropriate? Should the edit be reverted? Frankie
:Yes and yes.  Jgp has already reverted the vandalism. Guy Harris 18:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Large Deletions Without Explanation?

message: Hi,
I was thinking about this one for a while...
When Intel markets these "dual core" chips, such as Core Duo and Pentium D, are they really "dual core," much like two physical processors, and able to work concurrently, or are they similar to the the "HyperThreading" technology, where two logical processor cores are allocated for a single core, and then a secondary hardware thread is executed while the primary thread is stalled (in cache miss, branch misprediction, or data dependency)?
Thoughts?
Jdstroy 06:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are really "dual core" - either two dies in a single package or a die with two complete processors on it. Guy Harris 17:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dual-core-ness" 

message: The "Pentium Dual Core" T2060 from the Core processor list is not mentioned anywhere in here. It is just a budget version of the Core Duo, right? Shouldn't it be part of this article, despite its name? And has Intel given any official reason for resurrecting the Pentium brand name for its budget version of the Core Duo? 205.157.110.11 04:07, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The source doesn't give the socket information; is there another source for that?  (If so, that belongs on the Intel Pentium Dual Core page.) Guy Harris 21:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Pentium Dual Core is based on Core Duo, not Core 2 Duo neither Netburst, the CPUID is 06ECh (family 6h, P6 and derivates with model 0Eh, Yonah)http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31651501.pdf , about the merge, no, there are some Celeron M based on Core Duo but they aren't in this article too. EduardoS 17:19, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to update the Intel Pentium Dual Core page with that information. Guy Harris 19:21, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree.  There is text currently duplicated between the two articles.  This redundancy is a maintenance problem (for example, I had to make the same change both places just now).  I think that the majority of the text could reasonably be either place, but not both.  DHR 17:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pentium Dual Core" 

message: The disambiguation at the top of the page is confusing. "Mobile processor" seems to imply something to be used in a cell phone, palmtop computer, or similar device. Basically I read that it was directing me to Intel Core (CPU architecture), itself a redirect, which then proceeded to tell me (indirectly of course) that I was reading the wrong article (I should have been reading this article, apparently). (I was looking for the article on the processor used by Apple.) —16:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation is confusing 

message: Intel now refers to all Core 2, Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs as 'Intel Core' processors, and the pages for Xeon and Celeron (not Pentium though) are structured to give an overview over all product lines that are have mostly identical (Celeron M, Celeron D, Celeron Dual-Core) names but are based on different technologies.
I propose moving this (minus the introduction) page to Yonah (microprocessor) to preserve its history, and to start a new overview page for the brands, structured something like
* Pentium-M microarchitecture based
** Core Solo
** Core Duo
* Core microarchitecture based
** Core 2 Solo
** Core 2 Duo
** Core 2 Quad
** Core 2 Extreme
* Nehalem microarchitecture based
** Core i3
** Core i5
** Core i7
** Core i9
Much of the information in such an article would of course be duplicated from the current Core 2/Core i5/Core i7 articles, so those could eventually be merged into this page. Arndbergmann (talk) 08:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting out yonah, making this page an overview for core solo/duo/2/i3/i5/i7/i9 

message: Article currently claims that the Core Duo was the world's first sub-25W dual core processor, and was launched in Jan 06.  These claims seem doubtful to me, as I cannot find any source for this statement, and I can easily find earlier examples of multicore processors that appear to consume less than 25W (often significantly so), e.g. Asynchronous array of simple processors which appears to have used <1W for a 36-core chip.  Also, while I can find no contemporary description including the power dissipation figure, BlueGene/L appears to have been built in 2004 based on dual-core nodes dissipating 17W each, AFAICT.
The author may have meant that it was the first x86-compatible dual core with this power consumption, but that is not what it says, and even this I can find no source for confirmation. 212.159.69.4 (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This paper describes a BG/L installation with 16,384 dual-core nodes as dissipating 400KW.  This means the max per node is 400000W/16384 = about 24.4W.  This also includes memory, ethernet switches, and I believe cooling, so the node power is clearly less than 25W.  At this point, I'd say this is enough to remove the claim from the article, so I'm going to do it now. 212.159.69.4 (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

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