Talk:Bread and Puppet Theater

message: this article lacks mention of the appearance of B&C puppets at alter-globalization and other demonstrations. they have become part of the global protest culture repertoire. lack of reference to this makes the section on republican convention non-sequitur. up to that point it sounds like they are only a theatre troupe.  Crabclaw (talk) 16:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: mention of influence on protest repertoire

message: http://www.sagecraft.com/puppetry/papers/Schumann.html
http://www.breadandpuppet.org/peter_schumann.html
Crabclaw (talk) 16:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  printed resources, references

message: Thanks for your continued work on the article; it is beginning to shape up nicely.
I have given a lot of thought to the whole POV issue of "the city in mourning" thing; I really think it is not POV, but a basic reality of life in the city at that time (I live in NYC, by the way).  Truly, it is no different than saying, "Two days after the 1995 blizzard, the city was still shoveling itself out from 2 feet of snow."  It was real; it happened.  The city was stuck, dumbfounded, shattered, horrified, and shaken.  The descriptors are real.  Okay, they describe emotion, but emotion is also real, like an angry crowd at a riot.  Crowds do get angry; cities who watched their city burning like a furnace, watched friends, families and business associates die, well, those cities mourn.  The newspapers were full of obituaries, and everyone was going to funerals.  We were in mourning as a city, take my word for it.
Frankly, it also says something about Bread and Puppet, too.  This incident has a historical context.  We historians (if we're doing this well, that's what we are) clearly and plainly state the facts, place them in context rather than hide the context, and let the reader draw his own conclusions.  That's the secret of doing this well.  On this page, I can call B&P insensitive, outrageous bastards for whining about having to not present their precious histrionic political show; on the main page, I can't; but what I must do there is add factual context, not shy away from it.  That's what I've done.
I have been prepared to answer objections on this point, and have to ask WP'ns to deal with this reality.  Imagine seeing tens of thousands of missing posters on every single street and train stations.  We didn't want to take the down for weeks -- we just couldn't.  We were still mourning them.    paul klenk 01:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please forgive my brevity, but I have little interest in a long discussion of this phrase, and I don't think this discussion genuinely serves to help improve this article -- instead, it seems like you're looking for a place to air your own opinions (as you finally do in your third paragraph, to no Wikipedia-related purpose that I can see).  Suffice it to say that I completely disagree with your contention that the phrase "the city was still in mourning" is an unbiased reflection of objective factual reality -- and I say this as a fellow New Yorker who lived in the city at that same time, so don't think me a callous outsider.  I think, rather, that the phrase is designed to further a particular political bias and justify a particular POV on the interpretation of an incident, and I don't think it's at all appropriate in anything like a "historian's" work or as a seemingly factual statement.  Please, in continuing your often very good work here, remember that Talk pages are for discussion directly related to improving the article, not for airing personal views or opinions. -- Rbellin|Talk 04:02, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A city in mourning

message: Some have heard echoes of the Roman phrase "bread and circuses" or the 1912 Lawrence textile strike slogan "Bread and Roses" in the theater's name as well
Surely the reference is mainly to the slogan "Bread and Peace" from the Russian Revolution? 
Soobrickay 10:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not.  The Russian slogan was more often "peace, land, and bread" (sometimes in a different order, but usually with all three).  "Bread and circuses" is a more direct reference, and "bread and roses" has always been a more popular slogan in the US.  It predates the Russian Revolution, and is even a popular song, recorded by Judy Collins, Utah Phillips, and many others. -David Schaich Talk/Cont 00:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Undoubtably Peter Schumann is familiar with the Russian phrase. His wife, Elka Schumann, is Russian. Morganfitzp 18:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I have changed the name of a laudatory section to "critics comments" or somesuch. This section cries out for WP:BALANCE. Putting in only nice comments from critics makes a neutral reader suspect WP:PR and WP:POV.Student7 (talk) 11:53, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said a while ago above, naively "balancing" every opinion with its opposite is not what NPOV is about.  If you have some citations to serious critics who disparage B&P, please add them, but the fact is that most writing on the Theater is pretty glowing. -- Rbellin|Talk 14:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: People like protesting pickets/demonstrators? That would be unusual! Student7 (talk) 02:38, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your problem is here that no one is reading this except believers. I guess you are happy with that. Student7 (talk) 02:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

text: "Belief" is not a relevant category with regard to critical attitudes towards a theatre company. And yes, their protest productions have been well-received and critical appraisals of the quality of the company's work has led to it being studied all over the world. They are easily one of the most significant American theatre companies working today. If you'd like to locate well-sourced negative appraisals and add that information to the article, by all means go ahead. I suspect you'll have a hard time finding much, though. DionysosProteus (talk) 10:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lauds

message: *
 Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:26, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  2021 history 

message: — Assignment last updated by MaeMK22 (talk) 21:22, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Communication Research

message: Hi there! Just to let everyone know, I'm planning on making some edits to this article. My plans are to:
- Add a section under History to discuss the theater's "Art is Cheap" concept and their funding.
- Slightly change the wording under Causes just to make it read nicer. 
- Fill in some of the citations under Conflicts. 
- Add some additional commentary on the theater under Critics Comments.
- And to potentially create a new section called Notable Contributers, to reincorporate the first sentence under Critics Comments (which is not critic commentary). 
Thank you! MaeMK22 (talk) 01:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing plan