Talk:Islam/Archive 5

message: Fair point - Sharia is in many ways a better place to discuss such issues. - Mustafaa 15:01, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

message: How about suicide bombings vs martyrdom operations, Rushie and the Satanic Verses (Iranian Fatwah), Pim Fontyn (sp?), Theo van Gogh: Defenders of Islam vs its detractors?  Western liberalism vs Islamic (Sharia based) states. There are many issues.  These do not seem to be hot-button U.S. political issues but rather important to quite a number of societies and states around the world...and we havent even bother to talk about India and Indonesia (the most populous predominently muslim) country.  Lance6Wins 15:36, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: fair enough, we do have a "Islam in the modern world" section, where such issues would be at home. We may have to fork it into a new  Islam in the modern world main article soon, though. There is also Islamism which is wholly devoted to the fanatics. And there is Islam by country for regional issues. dab 17:16, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  hot-button U.S. political issues ? 

message: Would someone please sort out the Isa page, as it seems to be written from the POV of a Christian missionary. CheeseDreams 19:39, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Knowledge 

message: As a non-Muslim, I have only the sketchiest idea of the yearly cycle of Muslim religious celebrations, special events, etc. I know that this differs from sect to sect and place to place; it is also partially covered by notes in Islamic year and articles re the various festivals. But it would be nice to have an article that tied everything together, with descriptions of differences between sects and countries.  
I'm particularily interested in the um, housewife's point of view. What must be done at home, in the way of cooking and sewing, etc., to make things happen. Special dishes to be cooked, that sort of thing. 
Request probably sparked by looming Thanksgiving dinner. At least I'm going to a potluck. Time to cook Persian rice (with lots of butter) and Punjabi green beans <g> Zora 23:14, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another request -- Muslim year 

message: why are there only three links, and why the three that are there? Certainly, Jihad should be linked from somwhere in the article text. also, Islamism should be linked from  "Islam in the modern world", together with fundamentalism. The "See also" is a bit superfluous, compared with the good "Islam" Template. dab (T)   17:10, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: unhappy with the "See also" section

message: Sorry; the recent edit I alluded to wasn't anon, it was by Tom Paine.   However, it's still wrong, and the topic has been thoroughly discussed both here and at Qur'an. - Mustafaa 00:34, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: My recent edit

message: An anonymous editor (new to Wikipedia) added an external link to a site promoting Islamic feminism. I deleted it (despite a certain sympathy) because I felt it was a specialized topic, best discussed in its own article. I don't think there's any such article. If there isn't, I'd suggest that the anonymous editor start one. I'd do it myself if I weren't grotesquely over-extended. Zora 15:19, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted feminist link 

message: An anonymous editor removed the sentence that Ifaqeer and I had crafted with such pains, re sectarian leaders claiming to be Muhammad's successor. It seemed to me to contain useful info, frex in making sense of Bahai, Ahmadiyya, etc. He/she also made a few other minor edits, of which I retained only one. Others may wish to inspect his/her edits and see if you agree with me. I wish the anon editor would take a username and join the debate on the talk page. I'm guessing that he/she just hasn't learned the rules of the game yet (nor have I, I think). The mechanics of editing are easy compared to learning HOW to collaborate well. Zora 03:34, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: you are kind to even mention this. I think it is fair to rollback anonymous edits to sections with complicated histories without comment. dab (ᛏ) 08:49, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for reverting 

message: The List of Islamic and Muslim related topics was created using a program I wrote that uses google to create a list and wikifies them.  Many of the relevant topics might be missing and some irrelevant ones are probably in the list. I cleaned it a bit.  Please add more to the list or remove irrelevant ones.  Strangely Wikipedia  doesn't have an  article on women and Islam OneGuy 08:57, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Islamic and Muslim related topics]]

message: this user is tearing through the article, I suppose with the best intentions, but all edits seem questionable for reasons of style, accuracy  and npov. Shall we summarily revert them, or does somebody want to sort them out? (the MU-Islam "etymology" is particularly unenlightening. man. we had this information, less obfuscated. read first, edit later) dab (ᛏ) 13:09, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose this is Yusuf Estes. He is adding his website to lots of Islam related articles, and turns his Talk page (for some reason) into a big vanity article, it appears. (the article itself was made quite 'vain' too, see this edit) dab (ᛏ) 13:15, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: rv 203.101.42.15?

message: Higher birth rate of Asian and African countries is the main reason for overall percentage increase of Islam. Clear example of that is this  [page. I wrote a program to create these tables and do calculations. Initially I used the file from census.gov that had estimates of population of each country for 2004 (or was it 9-30-2004?). census.gov updated their file to 2005, so I switched to that file. The Muslim percentage increased from 22.646% to 22.792%, a jump of 0.15% in just 4 months? The only change I made was switching from 2004 to 2005 file.  See Islam by country OneGuy 04:02, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Growth of Islam

message: I removed a link to a website that looked distinctly commercial, and also removed several paragraphs in praise of Bahai which seemed inappropriate in this article. If people want to find out about the Bahai, they can click on the link. Zora 06:15, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My recent changes