Talk:University of the Philippines Diliman

message: I removed a bunch of external links that weren't very helpful to the article. See the guidelines at Wikipedia:External links. Coffee 15:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: The whole history section of the article was removed because it's a copyright violation. Someone please rewrite it with original material to fill the void... a good school deserves a good article. Coffee 21:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
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message: Anyone? --Howard the Duck 05:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Philippines-Diliman" is more prevalent in the Philippines. I think only Wikipedia uses the "Philippines, Diliman" convention. However if acronyms are used, it is "UP Diliman", with no hyphens and commas. --Howard the Duck 14:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of the Philippines, Diliman or University of the Philippines-Diliman? 

message: Hmm...how about:
# cleaning up this list,
# trimming it, or
# giving it its own article?
The list seems to get longer by the day, with more student organizations raring to see their names on this Wikipedia article (and I haven't even checked the write-ups for NPOV). This isn't the case with other articles about other universities. For example:
# Harvard University and Harvard College---the organizations are not listed under the University article, and then again not all organizations are listed in the College article, though they are grouped by purpose (acad-related, fraternity/sorority, athletics, music...).
# Yale University uses a different approach; the organizations are listed on a separate article. What's more, like the Harvard College sub-section, the student organizations article is neatly categorized (e.g. all acads-related orgs go together, all athletic organizations go together, all fraternities and sororities go together, all musical orgs grouped together...)
# Oxford University lists less than ten organizations on the main article, but references a link to a separate category (actually, two categories) for student orgs.
Just my two cents ;-) --- Tito Pao 19:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Trim it, clean it, and put in its own article. Looking back on local examples, Ateneo has its organizations on their Loyola Schools article, which was presented short and direct to the point while DLSU-Manila and UST has theirs as a simple list. Having that huge list on this article is a big eyesore. --Mithril Cloud 10:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done! ;-) --- Tito Pao 13:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems that the "Organization" section needs serious trimming as well. It's too huge that it doesn't even look encyclopedic anymore.  --Mithril Cloud 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I know. But it's the main UP Diliman article that needs to be cleaned up first, so taking the orgs to its own article was the first step in doing this. But I'm also thinking of how to clean up the page. Maybe we can revise/delete most (if not all) of the descriptions. Then re-organize everything by category, though I'll need to read all names from top to finish to give me an idea on how these should be categorized. Based on a preliminary survey, I'm thinking along these lines: 1.acad-based (e.g. UP Cursor) 2.culture-based (the UP choirs, performing arts groups, visual arts groups) 3.geographic-based (e.g. UP Lakan) and 4.civic/advocacy/politics-based (UP Babaylan) --- Tito Pao 18:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tito Pao's push for categorization makes sense. On the descriptions, some of the orgs already have their own Wiki pages, and thus do not need further description on the org List page. However, for the orgs that do not have their own Wiki pages, maybe we can allow 1-2 lines each. Also, is it just me, or are the red links on the orgs' names adding to eyesore? Maybe we can remove the Wikilinks from them for the meantime.-- Corsarius 18:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to be fortright with this one...I'm actually working on the categorizations (off-line, of course, since it's a long, long page). I removed all red links and reformatted links, if available. I have also deleted the original descriptions since some of them read like blurbs from press releases. I'm expecting to get a lot of flak or (worse) vandalizations from members of these orgs who will be disgruntled with what I did to their original text, but I had to do this for the sake of making the article more encyclopedic (or else face the risk of having it deleted). On the safe side, I'll just leave out a short description of what college is the org based on (to use a fictional example, "UP Widgets Association is based in the UP College of Widgets"), or a short note on what it does or what is it (e.g. "UP Widgets Association - an association for BS Widgets majors"). I'll try to post them as soon as I have completed the first draft. Just to be sure, I will include comments inside the (revised) article's source code, as well as a few notes on the discussion page, so that future editors (most likely anonymous) will know how to make their entries more encyclopedic. --- Tito Pao 19:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! In anticipation of possible violent reactions, I've posted a not-so-short explanation on the Discussion page. --- Tito Pao 00:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, man! The next problem now is to watch out for insistent org members. I admit, I once listed an org there with 2 lines of description, but I was looking forward to writing a full-fledged article on it in the future anyway. I guess orgs that had verbose descriptions in the first place have enough material for a Wiki article, or at least a stub, right? ;) Btw, considering that the Madrigal Singers already have their own Wiki article, shouldn't the org's description be somewhat shortened? Not to mention the org appears twice in the list. -- Corsarius 09:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point on the Madz, I'll have it changed in a short while. As for the insistent members, I make it a point to check my watchlist every now and then, so I'll keep an eye on this article every now and then. --- Tito Pao 13:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oks. I'll guess I'll help you with the 'patrol', considering that this list is bound to really grow in the future -- there are lots of UPD orgs that aren't in this list yet. Actually, I'm not sure if some of the listed orgs are already University-recognized (as opposed to College-recognized or strictly Department-based), though of course there's no way to verify that unless we check up with UPD's Office of Student Affairs :P -- Corsarius 14:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Student Organizations 

message: Should we include it in the article? --Mithril Cloud 13:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. Though where would it be best to place the info -- a new paragraph after the lead, a new section after/before the "National Centers of Excellence, or somewhere else? -- Corsarius 14:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  As of now, I don't see a suitable section. It could be added in the "Academics" section, but the article lacks that as of now. --Mithril Cloud 04:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. If it makes sense to you guys, maybe we can create a new "Academics" section, and move "National Centers of Excellence" under it as a subsection. -- Corsarius 12:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I believe that the article should have a major revamp first. Adding the rankings would come in second. --Mithril Cloud 13:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  UP's standing at the THES-QS rankings 

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message: Please don't make the University Info Box too small in font.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.80.79 (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: This is held only in December since 1977 but now it is dubbed as this, and held here in Diliman:"The Great Centennial Run" In the “UP Oblation Run," 100 UP-based Alpha Phi Omega (APO) Fraternity and several UP alumni on June 18, at 11:00 a.m., ran naked along the University of the Philippines (UP) campus to commemorate the centennial anniversary. They sprinted from the Vinzon’s Hall and stopped at Palma Hall, for short photo opportunity. www.gmanews.tv, 100 UP fratmen, alumni join Oblation Run for centennial celebration Jejomar Binay, alumnus and former prime chancellor of APO fraternity led the event.inquirer.net, ‘Great Centennial Run’ in UP--Florentino floro (talk) 09:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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message: It looks more of a catalog than an encyclopedia article with all the lists and everything. More on history and information, please. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.205.115 (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please improve UP Diliman article 

message: Is the list of deans/list of degree granting units too relevant to be included on the Organization section? Or should they be just encased in boxes? The list is too long. I've seen the Ateneo de Manila page and it has much comprehensive information about the univeristy. And this is supposed to be an article on the flagship campus of the national university.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.241.32 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much of an eyesore 

message: How should this article be re-written? Some comments above expressed my opinion too about it lacking narrative substance and readability.  Instead of adding my comments to theirs, I decided to start a new section with a title that is hopefully more descriptive rather than expressive.  I agree that the article needs to be re-written with more information in narrative form rather than list form.  This afterall is an encyclopedia article. This lists are trivial and not informative to the more casual learner, as encyclopedia articles should be.  If someone would like to know who a particular dean is or what the centers of excellence are, they can look for a comprehensive website, which we could link to if we want.  Further, the article seems to lapse into boosterism while other parts are disjointed.  Finally, more information needs to be given about the buildings, the campus, the student body, etc. There certainly needs to be a history section.  In other words, there should be a more well-rounded picture drawn of the school.  I will wait a few days and then do want I can, but that is limited since my knowledge of UP Diliman in limited.--Bruce Hall (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted. Wish you could help for revamping the whole article. I started about a week ago. And I put it under construction.--JL 09 q?c 07:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am placing the following lines of text here in the talk page. As noted by Bruce Hall, the article lapses into boosterism and is rather disjointed, specially the lead section. --Meynardtengco (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions for re-writing the article

message: I am removing the reference about the University being named the American University of the Philippines until no other reliable source can be found for it. Additionally:
# In Act No. 1870 or the legislation that established the University clearly states:
Section 1. The Governor-General is hereby authorized, within the powers and limitations hereinafter specified, to establish in the city of Manila, or at the point he may deem most convenient, a university which shall be known by the designation of "University of the Philippines," the same being organized as a corporation under that name. 
This legislation does not even contain the word "American".
# The University seal currently in use was approved by the Board of Regents in 1913. Prior to the use of the current seal, the university used a logo based on the seal of the City of Manila which carried a name of the "University of the Philippines"  
# There was no mention of an "American University of the Philippines" in the monograph, The first 75 years (1900-1983) published in 1985 for the university's diamond jubilee anniversary. A digitized copy of this book is available on the University Archives website.
# Personally, I have access to a diploma issued by the University in 1936, and in nowhere in it does it say "American University of the Philippines".
In view of the above-mentioned, this particular part of the article as well as the article cited is erroneous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixenzo (talk • contribs) 14:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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