Talk:History of French

message: *Unless I missed it in my searching, I don't believe Wikipedia has lists of French etymology like English and Spanish have (see Lists of etymologies#English word origins and Lists of etymologies#Spanish word origins). Is anyone up for this? I would probably do it myself if I could find a good source written in English which would be fairly comprehensive (my French reading ability is next to nil). Does anyone know of such a source? Is anyone willing to tackle this? I think it would be a helpful resource for some people.--Hraefen Talk 20:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that something like 60% of English can be traced back to a Norman/French origin, I'm not sure what this list would look like.  Would it only feature post-medieval French borrow words? --NYArtsnWords 22:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsectioned discussion

message: The 'Modern french' section is stolen almost entirely from http://www.french-language-guide.com/french/history.asp
81.158.238.224 20:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is that site which has taken its material from the Wikipedia article. - NYArtsnWords (talk) 16:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyvio

message: I'm rather surprised that the Franks had, apparently, such a small influence on French. When they moved into "Gaul," did they adopt the Vulgar Latin spoken there as more than a lingua franca? RobertM525 (talk) 19:32, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not think this influence has to be neglected. The Langue d'oïl is the oldest romance language (± 200 years before the others). Northern France became the first place in the Romania, where it was necessary to write the local vulgar language, because nobody could understand Latin any more. The epithaph of Gregory V in 999 mentions that the pope was trilingual : usus francisca, vulgari and voce latina.Bernard Cerquiglini, La naissance du français, PUF 1991, p. 37. There are numerous reasons, that explain the birth of the langue d'oïl and among them, the Germanic accent that turned the tonic vowel into a voiced one, that finally turned into a diphtong, and weaker the final vowel, that we do not hear any more.CERQUIGLINI 32 - 33 Nortmannus (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence of the Franks 

message: Much of this page is absolute, total garbage.  For example, the whole set of sound and grammatical changes supposedly due to Celtic substratum influence is just junk.  It looks to me like a lot of original research done by an amateur linguist, looking at similarities between Celtic and Old French and therefore concluding that there must be a connection.  In reality, proving such connections is extremely hard, and most researchers in the field are doubtful of all such claims, especially for common sound changes, which many of these are.  When I have a bit more time I'm going to delete all the junk.  In any case a lot of info in Old French should go here instead. Benwing (talk) 03:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't apply any more since I've totally rewritten the article. Benwing (talk) 06:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  total garbage 

message: T. F. Hoad in English Etymology writes, that farm comes from Middle English ferme, borrowed itself from French. Where does this Old English form come from ?? The Anglo-Latin firma comes from Latin. The French verb fermer is already attested in a close meaning as a figurative meaning of French fermer : to close and ferme < firmus, stable, etc. How could have such a word as feorm [?] be latinized in firma ? and firma would have given in English *firm, not ferme or farm. Nortmannus (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I controlled it : the word feorm or fiorm existed in OE : food, supplies, advantage...and turned to farm in ME. It is clearly considered as a dead word. Nortmannus (talk) 12:27, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farm 

message: I think Julius Caesar's name is spelled incorrectly in section 1.1. Does someone beg to differ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.116.121 (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is perfectly acceptable to use the ligature æ in place of the digraph ae in Latin words, see here. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cæsar? 

message: In case any anonymous editors want to explain why the unknown/undocumented language of the Belgae with zero relevance for the evolution of French deserves to be mentioned in this article… this is the place to do it. In the meantime, unmotivated additions to the article will continue to be removed. CapnPrep (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgae 

message: This article was becoming too long, and it had two preety differentiated sections, so I'm moving all the phonological changes to a new page, as it's been done in other languages. Thanks!--Fauban 11:42, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting: Separate page for phonological history 

message: There is a [citation needed] at the end of this section. Is it possible to track the writer and ask for one? Muleiolenimi (talk) 22:07, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  vigesimal system 

message: OMG, who is asleep at the switch??? French is N O T a Japanese Language derived from the Chinese spoken in Northern France. Ack!!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:1300:F7C:409B:3ACF:C9C1:FB4D (talk) 00:41, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh. That was an amusing bit of vandalism. Sort of madlibish. I just now reverted it. — Eru·tuon 06:37, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Language? 

message: Afaicr, most people in France did not speak any standardized variety of French before around the middle of the nineteenth century, and millions of people speaking languages like Occitan, Provencal, Breton, Gascon, Alsatian, Catalan, Basque, or others spoke no French so people from different parts of the country could not easily communicate. The primacy of French happened over time, of course,   Unless there's another article about French in France, this article should be expanded to cover this important issue about the history of French in France.  The article Language policy in France talks about it briefly, and so does France in the long nineteenth century but neither have a full treatment. Either this article, or one of those, should cover this important feature of the development of French in France. Mathglot (talk) 00:26, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of French in France 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of English which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 17:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:History of English which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 13:15, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: The loss of the neuter was beginning as early as Petronius. There are examples in the dialogues of the Cena, and there's more in the Latin of Apuleius. Fuficius Fango (talk) 16:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender