Talk:The Subtle Knife

message: So many goddamn mistakes! I can't fix them, but someone please fix it.
It's is slightly disgraceful. Especially with the biased opinions. There is a reason it is called a ENCYCLOPEDIA, and not a OPINION-EDIA, or something. -Theclassicalman:too lazy to log in.     70.79.215.78 (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistakes

message: I have removed the "severely reduce your enjoyment" warning in accordance with Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Please see the Talk page for the first book to see the related discussion. Juansmith 00:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Enjoyment" warning removed

message: ===problem and solution===
I have a question about the novel. What is the main problem and solution of the Subtle knife?
Well, the way i see it, the problem started in the 1st book, and the solution came in the last. Mathematicus 02:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Homework questions

message: I have a question about the novel. What is the main problem and solution of the Subtle knife?
Well, the way i see it, the problem started in the 1st book, and the solution came in the last. Mathematicus 02:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: problem and solution

message: Do your own homework, kids. And sign your posts. Juansmith 00:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Just read the damn book

message: I don't think this is a "start" class article but more of a B-class one.  It isn't simply expanded on a stub but has a full plot summary that is fairly decent.  SirGrant 16:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok - done. however there is more other material to add beyond the plot. eg. ==Characters in "The Subtle Knife"== section and ==Literary significance & criticism== :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm about the sections ==Characters in "The Subtle Knife"== section and ==Literary significance & criticism== those are kinda in the main trilogy page His Dark Materials  I don't know if we have to repeat them for each individual book. SirGrant 02:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Class

message: Aside from being overly detailed, the plot summary makes an assumption that is not evident at this point - at the end the summary says Lyra has been kidnapped; however, all the reader knows is that she is gone.  She may be dead, may have run away or escaped, etc.Voideater 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot Summary Problem 

message: Aside from the introduction of the Subtle Knife surely the most significant thing in the entire plot is the introduction of the character of Will, a point which seems to be entirely missed in the (far from perfect anyway) plot summary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.58.253 (talk) 22:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Er maybe I've missed something 

message: The Plot summary is horribly written and full of biased opinions as mentioned earlier.  As someone who hasn't read the book at all I should be able to read it and recieve all the details and and intricatcies of the plot.
I personally don't have an opinion on the length of the summary and think it should be as long as needed to give good details about the plot.  I personally believe as it stands the summary is too short and should be expanded to include detailed plot points.  Again, I personally have not read the book so I cannot do this.
a) take out biased opinions and totally re-work the wording of the summary
b) expand on and give more details to the major plot points
I do appreciate the effort give to write the summary though, it's not an easy task to do something like this. But, as it stands it sounds like a 11 year olds book report.  Changes especially need to be made due to the increase in page hits this article is enevitibly going to recieve because of the recent movie release 67.136.10.67 (talk) 12:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I said, as soon as I get my copy of the book back from my mother, I will have time to write an objective summary.  Feel free to beat me to it though.VatoFirme (talk) 08:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I copied over the plot summary from the main His Dark Materials page as it was a whole hell of a lot better than the mess that was on this page. Tnomad (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay since I've just finished reading the book thought I'd take it one step further and have written out a reasonable length and impartial plot summary. Tnomad (talk) 08:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Reverted back to Feb 9, 2008 17:57 since that seemed the best / most concise summary to me.  Egret (talk) 08:00, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write of Plot Summary 

message: I've removed the section labelled "Controversies" because it doesn't describe any controversies pertaining to the novel, but only contains a quote from the author stating his opinion on the lack of controversy the book had attracted.  --Tony Sidaway 14:20, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversies section

message: I removed the sentence "The Internet Movie Database has created a page for the film, and states that it will be released in 2009, although IMDB is not a reliable source", because wikipedia doesn't quote unreliable sources.  There might be a way to reword this, somehow make it clear the IMDB page is their own prediction or find out why they made it.  The page there says "announced", maybe find out what that means and whether the movie was really announced.  But if they are just guessing and it's 100% rumor I don't think it should be here.VatoFirme (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If IMDb has it listed up, then it is most sertenly not 100% rumor. IMDb is very careful when posting an in-development project. Here's a source for you . --Steinninn 03:44, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The great thing about Wikipedia, is that YOU can write a decent summary. Murderbike (talk) 04:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I did rewrite the summary, trying to summarise the key points in clean English. Which you can see on this version:  But since then people have expanded it to fill out every plot detail I was summarising and with a lot of bad English. It now reads quite poorly again, so I've not got the motivation to have another go. --78.86.225.202 (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: IMDB

message: The summary is still a total mess.  To begin with, you can't say "the two worlds" or "the other world" when there are three worlds involved!  Mrs. Coulter's name is introduced with no explanation of who she is.  It confuses the "young man" ( who DOES have a name) and the older man who gives the kids advice.  There's no explanation of why the Spectres are dangerous.  We are told that Sir Charles is on a mission for the Magisterium though that is never established in this book; we just know he has a ruthless agenda.  If the book is admired as much as Pullman claims you'd think Wikipedia could find somebody to write a decent summary.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 04:31, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The great thing about Wikipedia, is that YOU can write a decent summary. Murderbike (talk) 04:38, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I did rewrite the summary, trying to summarise the key points in clean English. Which you can see on this version:  But since then people have expanded it to fill out every plot detail I was summarising and with a lot of bad English. It now reads quite poorly again, so I've not got the motivation to have another go. --78.86.225.202 (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion on summary 

message: I have attempted to rewrite the summary after just re-reading the book. Thoughts/comments/queries? I'd like to make this the most readable summary possible. Loony636 (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary 

message: Couple of deletions I made, since they were not in the copy of the book I just read. They may be in some other version of it, perhaps? The US version, or hardback version or something?
"...of a flower she gave him. However, she arrives too late to save him, and can only preserve his body in order to show it to Iorek Byrnison.
Serafina Pekkala seeks out Iorek Byrnison, before she returns to Lyra and Will, to tell him that his friend Lee Scoresby has died. He asks Serafina to tell him how to make his own way across the Aurora and into Cittàgazze to find Lyra. She instructs him and he immediately sets off into the new world.
In my copy of the book, the last you heard from Pekkala was her saying "I'm off, Scoresby needs me, brb". This seemed like just a plot device to have her out the way when the other witches were killed off.
Mrs Coulter decides that she will have to destroy Lyra to "prevent another fall".
Nah. As I read it, she considered that briefly, then in the same paragraph decided that no, she'd allow her to become the Eve, but prevent the Fall at that point. If she'd wanted to destroy Lyra, Lyra'd be dead, not merely drugged, at the beginning of the third book. DewiMorgan (talk) 16:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor deletions 

message: The plot summary was atrocious, so I changed it somewhat.  Apparently a couple of people have been tinkering with it, but I removed quite a bit.  Please let me know if I went too far, or feel free to add stuff back in.  Jabberwockgee (talk) 23:58, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bringing the article back from the dead. 

message: Hi,
I don't know the Wikipedia procedure for merging articles, but it's clear to me that this article about the audiobook should be merged with this article. Any thoughts? Can anyone do it and/or explain it to me? Bobnorwal (talk) 00:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article merging