Talk:2007 pet food recalls

message: Today's big NYT story involves use of diethylene glycol in medicine and poisonings in Panama
From China to Panama, a Trail of Poisoned Medicine
If people are eager to start an article on dangerous chinese exported ingredients, more generally, one could do worse than to start with this topic and a summary of some of the info from this article.  Given the recent developments tying the chemical composition of the "melamine scrap" in China directly to the chemical composition of the crystals found in contaminated pet food and affected animals, I no longer think it makes any sense to split apart the search for the cause of the illnesses section from the search for the source of the contamination section. However, as there has been little proven human impact in this instance, yet, and much human impact in the diethylene glycol case, that would be a natural place to focus on human impact.  
If anyone does decide to do this, this diary drom Daily Kos and its bajillion comments may serve as a useful source to find some additional material. China Exports Poisoned Medicine While FDA Cuts Back Labs Abby Kelleyite 12:22, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I mentioned somewhere else here (I think its in the archive now), China has a long history of contamination and poisoning of their food products within their country, and a shady history of contamination of products going out.  It may warrant its own article, indeed, with a section summarizing the pet food crisis.  (There may already be such an article or an article where such info could go - there are a zillion articles on China related topics, so it might just warrant some digging.)  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 18:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other Chinese exported ingredients poisoning scandals 

message: Anyone who wants to help get the article Timeline of the 2007 North American pet food recall ready should feel welcome to contribute.  I've been busy the past week and am only going to get busier for the next week.  I'll do what I can, but we'll need to work to create the splits. 75.177.136.8 03:03, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reformatted the timeline article as a stand-alone article and all of the references are fixed.  I have also moved the article to Timeline of the 2007 pet food recalls.  I could still use some help adding more information and references, but I believe that the article is sufficiently ready to replace the "Recall History" section of the main article.  Let me know what you think.Jfwambaugh 15:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The recall history section has been replaced by the Timeline of the 2007 pet food recalls.  There is still more information that can be migrated to that article, and there are redundancies that can be eliminated in the main article to shorten things a bit.  From now on I hope that "breaking news" will first be added to the timeline, and then incorporated into the rest of the text.Jfwambaugh 15:39, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline Article 

message: I wonder if this article should be expanded, or made part of another article.  It just seems that we are finding that the tainted food may be in the human food supply.  And, there's also the story about the Bee's that could further harm the food supply.  This is a really good article.  I'm just wondering if we are finding that this is part of something larger.—Slipgrid 18:13, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Colony Collapse Disorder, is entirely unrelated to the pet food contaminations. As far as naming conventions and subarticles, see above.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 19:18, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Food Crisis 

message: The May 10 FDA USDA press conference is replete with discussion on these topics.  It could be worth adding a brief explanatory section at the end of the human impact section discussing these concepts like the protein testing in the food industry section. Abby Kelleyite 16:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bioaccumulation and additivity versus synergy 

message: The article Chinese protein export scandal has been started.  It is my hope to bring it up to standards and then remove large portions of the current pet food recall article.  Any help or comments are very welcome.Jfwambaugh 17:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the new article is sufficiently ready for the redundant text to be removed from the pet food recall article.  Does anyone else have an opinion? Jfwambaugh 15:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese protein export scandal 

message: Someone has stolen my password at daily kos! I'm trying to get it changed now!!! Abby Kelleyite 19:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have got them to block the account. And hope I will be back on soon. Abby Kelleyite 19:41, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  oh my god 

message: USDA Clears Swine for Processing Abby Kelleyite 19:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  and more swine have beeen cleared 

message: I think it would be best if we all changed our passwords.  I don't know whether it is hackers but it is best to be careful. Abby Kelleyite 19:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I just wanted to warn everyone that my password got hacked at Daily Kos.  I've changed it now and I think the problem is under control. You may want to change yours here as well.  It is best to be safe. Be sure to choose something with a strong level of protection. Abby Kelleyite 20:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't the best place to discuss this as the issue of password hacking/account hijacking has been extensively discussed elsewhere on wiki following several high profile admin account hijackings (see Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2007-05-07/Admins_desysopped and Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-05-14/Compromised accounts).  See the article on Password strength for tips on password security.  --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 21:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: I really don't think the section on the side of the article that has a timeline of events is very nesessary, no other article is formatted that way and this article is already way to long.Since there is already a subsection for a timeline anyway, wouldn't it be better to get rid of that part? Rodrigue 04:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I would prefer to wait for an opinion from someone not involved in the creation of the timeline article. Jfwambaugh 15:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline fo Pet food recall 

message: The mystery fifth contaminant redacted from FDA reports appears to be acetaminophen which is not chemically related to the other four. Not sure where this info should go since it's not linked to any pet deaths yet or any recalls and there's no info as to source.  It's not a particularly nitrogen rich compound so it's somewhat unlikely to have been added to fake crude protein measures.  Texas lab finds pain medicine in pet food Abby Kelleyite 18:19, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't realize that there was a redacted contaminant.  Do you have a reference for that?  It should go in the timeline at the very least. Jfwambaugh 19:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: About 3/4 of the way down the May 1 FY 2007 Protein Surveillance Assignment there's a chart identifying melamine, cyanuric acid, ammelide and ammeline as agents to be tested for with a fifth agent redacted. I may have spoken to soon though about acetaminophen being that fifth agent.  It shouldn't be in pet food but it's not likely to show up un a protein survey as it's not a likely source of cheap nitrogen. If you want to add acetaminophen mention to the timeline now based on the Texas lab's findings that's fine. I'd like to see it confirmed by another lab and maybe get some FDA reaction before we break out a whole new section or anything. Abby Kelleyite 19:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Fifth contaminant was also mentioned in a couple FDA press conferences. On page 26 of this pdf from May 17, Dr. Acheson declined to "telegraph" to the world the fifth agent being screened for. Abby Kelleyite 20:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already been added to the timeline, but I just wanted to update this storyline here with the news that FDA did not find acetaminophen in some pet food samples it tested.FDA rules out painkiller as pet food contaminant Abby Kelleyite 14:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Menu's latest word on acetaminophen. Menu Foods Denies Acetaminophen Found in its Cat Food. Abby Kelleyite (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  acetaminophen found in pet food 

message: This should probably be mentioned in the article or one of the related ones.  I'll leave it to the regular editors to figure out exactly where. 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,,2090404,00.html
75.62.6.237 06:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it's already in the timeline.  However, it's not the recent SFDA chief, but the guy who retired in 2005.Jfwambaugh 13:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  former Chinese FDA chief gets death sentence 

message: A recap focusing on the government investigation into the contamination:  Jfwambaugh 15:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Article from JAVMA 

message: * Move to "2007 pet food recalls". Either agree or oppose, other suggestions can be considered afterwards. Rodrigue 19:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 17:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: Where to put such information?
For example, "Nutro Natural Choice":
- http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2750847&cp=2767033.2768975&fbx=0&fbn=Brand%7CNutro+Natural+Choice&f=Taxonomy%2FPET%2F2768975&f=PAD%2FBrand%2FNutro+Natural+Choice&fbc=1&parentPage=family&keepsr=1
Smesh 18:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recalled food could be bought again 

message: The external reference number 57: 
 ^ Mawson, Nicola. "South Africa: No More Chinese Take-Aways for SA Pets", Business Day (Johannesburg), April 20, 2007. Retrieved on 2007-04-20. 
(relating to melamine in South African pet products) links to a page that requires a paid subscription.  This goes against the Wikipedia guidelines at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links states:
A site that requires registration or a subscription should not be linked unless the web site itself is the topic of the article.
Can I suggest replacing this reference by this one:
http://www.humanesociety.com/pets/pets/pet_food_recall_of_foods_manufactured_by_menu_foods_inc..html
or some other publicly-accessible reference?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.20.251 (talk) 00:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just wanted to note that the referenced news story was publicly accessible when it was originally cited but appears to have moved into the paper's archives now (subscription based).  I expect this may be true with regard to a number of linked newspaper articles in both this and many other wiki articles on recent events.  Adding the new suggested reference seems like a good idea, but I'd hate to delete the old contemporaneous references that might prove valuable to someone researching this topic, but, as always, I'll add that I am no wikipedia expert.  I'd also like to add that it would be nice if we could find a South African reference to add (as with the original ref), since this article is already so heavily dependent on North American news sources. Having looked into this a little further, I think the policy quoted about not citing subscription sites is not applicable to referenced sources: "The subject of this guideline is external links that are not citations of article sources. If the website or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source for the article, and citing it. Guidelines for sourcing, which includes external links used as citations, are discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Citing sources." Wikipedia:Citing sources provides that broken references should not be deleted when a link goes dead but does give some advice about fixing links to utilize material from the Internet archive if anyone has the time and ability to look into this further. Abby Kelleyite 17:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linked article requires password 

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*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070410212553/http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/homemade.petfood.ap/index.html to http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/03/homemade.petfood.ap/index.html
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070328235133/http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003630637_webpetfood22m.html to http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003630637_webpetfood22m.html
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