Talk:Dealey Plaza

message: Merged content of 'Dealey Plaza grassy knoll' to here. Much of the 'grassy knoll' article content relies on or is aided by the Dealey Plaza content being on the same page for context. Skybunny 00:50, 30 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is this how it should be termed in the article?  I have never heard it called anything but the "Grassy Knoll"; I don't even particularly remember there being another one in Dealy Plaza, and if there is I've never heard it related to the assassination in any way.  Is this an attempt to disambiguate something that wasn't ever really ambiguous?  I'm leaving it for now but think it needs to be discussed as a minimum.
Rlquall 15:34, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "North Grassy Knoll" 

message: Hey I'll be heading to DP 
arly next month to see this place where history was made with my own eyes.  Is there anything special I should not miss while in Dallas vis a vis the JFK assasination?Ramsquire 22:56, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to Dealey 

message: I redirected the page grassy knoll to this page because that article and the section of this article called "Grassy Knoll" were identical. Also, the links on that page are included in this article as well. No need for it to have it's own page. --The_stuart 19:00, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grassy Knoll 

message: I have a problem with the subsequent edits to my inclusion of additional information on the Dictabelt recording originally alleged to be of gunshots of the JFK assassination. You removed the cruicial information that the crosstalk heard on the recording proved that the recording had been made a minute after the assassination, probably because that so completely undermines the claim that the recording contains gunshots that the conspiracy buffs' claims must simply fail. 
I understand the Wiki NPOV policy. However, there are some topics, and the JFK assassination is one of them, where some people will never agree with conclusively proven neutral facts because they totally undermine their preconceived points of view. Unless you can seriously question the factual statement that the tape crosstalk exists and proves that the recording was made a minute after the assassination, I challenge your removal of this information. User: Karn, 23 Dec 2004
*Your original edit was "over the top" without enough foundation. What you have added now gives more foundation for your claims of being proven - though a source more official than "an amateur..." would be much better for a claim of proven. This detail should be in the House Select Committee on Assassinations article -- and this whole discussion belongs more there than here.  Perhaps there should also be an article on Dealey Plaza Dictabelt.
--JimWae 18:27, 2004 Dec 23 (UTC)
There is: Dictabelt evidence relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy, though I've thought about folding that into the HSCA article. Gamaliel 18:55, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV stuff 

message: Discordians "claim" (as much as a Discordiam claim anything, anyway) that Dealey Plaza is the home of the Dealey Lama, the head of the Erisian Liberation Front (ELF).  This plays into certain plotlines in the Illuminatus! trilogy.  Is this worth noting in the article anywhere? --Master Forcide 06:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discordianism? 

message: Sitzman maintained in three interviews that the shots all came from her left, from the direction of the Depository. Specifically, she said to Josiah Thompson:
And I'm sure that if the second shot would have come from a different place — and the supposed theory is they would have been much closer to me and on the right side — I would have heard the sounding of the gun much closer, and I probably had a ringing in my head because the fence was quite close to where we were standing, very close.
In an interview with Bill O'Neil in 1992, Sitzman stated, referring to the "Badgeman" location behind the fence, "the blast of a high-powered rifle would have blown me off that wall."
Unless a direct quotation from Sitzman appears in which she claims that Kennedy was hit from a shot that came from in front of him (and not that he was shot on the right side of his head between his eye and ear), this Wikipedia article will reflect what Sitzman said on the record. — Walloon 17:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marilyn Sitzman

message: While visiting the former TSBD in April 2006, on the first floor, in a hallway area off to the right, before entering the museum, is a wall display about the history of Dealey Plaza.  If I remember correctly, it said that Dealey Plaza was originally built in the 1920's and contained only a grassy park.  Later, in the 1930's, the monuments were added as part of a WPA project.  I think that this info should be confirmed and added to this article.
DavidH 01:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early History of Dealey Plaza 

message: Has anyone done any research as to how the term "Grassy Knoll" came into widespread use for this particular hill?  I mean, it could have been called a "hill" or "ridge" or "rise" or something else - who was the first to use the exact term and why did it come into widespread use?  That would be interesting to learn given the widespread "meaning" this term has taken on, and if this research has been done it would be great to include here.  Jpp42 (talk) 13:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Man Who Named the Grassy Knoll. — Walloon (talk) 06:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

text: After visiting this location, I concluded that the phrase "Grassy Knoll" was applied by someone viewing from the street level, as it descends to the underpass beneath the railroad tracks.  I'd call it an 'embankment' rather than a 'knoll'.  But the phrase is irrevocably linked to the events that took place there.  At least, in the minds of those who recall that time.  Out of curiosity, I questioned colleagues of a later generation, one of whom, a resident of Ohio, considered it as a reference to the Kent State shootings. 2603:6010:4E42:500:D8A2:2925:629C:C58B (talk) 20:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of phrase "Grassy Knoll" 

message: While there are slight gaps in the fense in the picture, the design of the fense seems to be stockade.  The fact that over time gaps have appeared in the fense does not make it suddenly a picket fense because it does not seem to be that way by design.  Please find an external source that indicates that it is in fact a picket fense by design.Ajh16 (talk) 18:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picket vs Stockade Fence 

message: I just now removed something about nobody in Dallas referring to the grassy knoll as such until after the assassination, followed by an explanation point.  I am not a common contributor to Wikipedia, but for the love of god, could you please try and avoid biasing your edits?  these articles aren't intended to be "edgy" or stir up more controversy, they are supposed to inform, and trivial information like that without any kind of citation or practical use doesn't belong here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.210.40.108 (talk) 03:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivial Information 

message: In the paragraph about Lee Bowers, I have removed the claim that Bowers testified to the Warren Commission that one of the two men standing by the stockade fence on the grassy knoll had a "mic or telephone" in his hand. Bowers said no such thing about either man in his WC testimony. In an affidavit Bowers gave on the day of the assassination, he did mention that a man who drove around the Sheriff's Department lot ten minutes before the motorcade appeared to have a "mike or telephone" in the car. — Walloon (talk) 06:39, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man with mike or telephone 

message: I just returned from Dallas where the locals informed me it's properly pronounced  to rhyme with "daily."  What's the authority for the current suggested pronunciation ? Jpwindley (talk) 06:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation of "Dealey" 

message: Suggest this page be improved in time for the anniverasry. 80.254.147.68 (talk) 14:07, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Developing the article

message: This page is long overdue for more information about the configuration and architecture of the plaza, particularly a full section is likely deserved for the Bryan Colonnade, its multiple sections, and any significance they have (such as plaques or designations). The unusual traffic configuration might also get some discussion. Additionally more information on the National Register nomination and perhaps the surrounding architecture being preserved as a result. Right now it feels like a stub feeding into other JFK pages. --Dhartung | Talk 08:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bryan Colonnade 

message: Made this edit. The reference given only mentions "acoustical evidence established a high probablility that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy." This "acoustical evidence" is the open Dallas police microphone that some believe recorded four shots. Nowhere in the given reference is mentioned that a fourth shot came specifically from the grassy knoll or that it "missed". While the report mentions elsewhere that some witnesses believed they heard shots from the grassy knoll, the report does not specifically conclude that shots did come from the grassy knoll (missed or otherwise). If I am mistaken in this and somewhere the report specifically concludes that shots were fired from that grassy knoll (beyond simply documenting witness statements), then the material can be re-added with a better reference. – JBarta (talk) 18:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If I'm not mistaken, the report *does* conclude this very thing, as the explanation for one of the bullets found in the car that missed. It is only mentioned briefly, and rather dismissively, stating something like there was one bullet recovered that missed that was apparently fired by a second unknown gunman, possibly from the grassy knoll or nearby, whose identity is not known - but, he also "acted alone". Firejuggler86 (talk) 21:02, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth shot from grassy knoll & missed 

message: Do I interpret this correctly, that this plaza has been deliberately frozen in time to preserve the area as it was when Kennedy was assassinated? Who authorized such a bizarre and frankly Stalinist act? Are there any precedents for such acts of president-worship in the USA? I am intrigued as to the logic (or rather lack thereof) behind this extreme decision.122.59.140.215 (talk) 10:24, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently you are blathering and haven't read the article or viewed the citations. One person's "bizarre and Stalinist act of president-worship" is another person's preservation of a national historic landmark. Have fun testing your incredulity in :Category:Historic sites by country. - Location (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

text: Theatre and theater are both perfectly acceptable and common spellings in US (theatre tends to be preferred by those in the field while much of the general public is more likely to use theater); in Britain theatre is the only acceptable spelling, however ;).
Come to think of it, the movie house where Oswald was arrested, which has also been preserved, is the Texas Theatre. As Wiki puts it: 'The Texas Theatre is a movie theater and Dallas landmark located in the Oak Cliff neighborhood of Dallas, Texas.' Khamba Tendal (talk) 13:14, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre 

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