Talk:Fourth Council of Constantinople (Eastern Orthodox)

message: Considering that there are two separate councils which are considered the Fourth Council of Constantinople / Eighth Ecumenical Council, should this article be split and turned into a disambiguation article?  The table gets rather cumbersome to try to represent both councils, and it's hard for the article (esp. with the table as it is) not to be stilted to the RC POV as it is now.  —Preost talk contribs 23:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs to be either split into two articles -- probably entitled Fourth Council of Constantinople (Catholic) and Fourth Council of Constantinople (Orthodox) -- or it needs to be a single long article with two large sections.  If we choose the latter method, then each of the sections needs to have its own table.  Right now the table lists the dates of the orthodox Constantinople IV (879-880), while the Catholic table would list the dates of the other one (869-870). — Lawrence King (talk) 07:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

text: My comments above were in reference to this version of the page.  This was the result of POV mass-deletion of half the page, which I have reverted. — Lawrence King (talk) 07:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I replaced the template with two separate templates.  The old version was muddled  -- it doesn't make sense to list two different councils in one template.  But the new version is not exactly beautiful either.  Also, I wasn't sure what names to use in the top bars of the templates.  I ended up choosing Fourth Council of Constantinople (869-870) and Fourth Council of Constantinople (879-880) instead of Fourth Council of Constantinople (Roman Catholic) and Fourth Council of Constantinople (Orthodox). The problem is that those names are anachronistic; no one in the year 881 would have said that these two councils were recognized by two different churches.  — Lawrence King (talk) 07:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split this article?

message: We have here two totally different events in one article, going forth and back between them. I started an article Fourth Council of Constantinople (Catholic) and will transfer material from here to there and then have this article deal with the second event of the Orthodox Church only. Of couse, since both pages deat with the Fourth Council of Constantinople, there must be cross- references. --Ambrosius007 (talk) 19:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind either way but splitting the article is no excuse for introducing lenghtly POV presentations like the "historical note", especially if they are irrelevant to the subject. Str1977 (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: "...and is referred to as the First-and-Second Council by Byzantine canonists John Zonaras, Theodore Balsamon, Matthew Blastaris and others."
This is not correct according to the Rudder reference in external links The First-Second Council from the Rudder: according to that, the First-and-Second Council was held in 861.  Jubilee♫clipman 03:14, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears, on the contrary, that the Fourth Council of Constantinople corresponds to the council called "The Council held in the Temple of Holy Wisdom", which is listed right after "the first-second council". Deusveritasest (talk) 20:43, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Not correct

message: The statement is made that this coucnil is not accepted by all Orthodox. Which ones?
I'm not disputing the statement. I simply would like to know which ones.
Montalban (talk) 04:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who don't accept it?