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Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Archive 75

message: It's been over a clause I added to the very last section "Submanuals" (after posting the proposal at talk to no response, mind you):
Where a discrepancy arises between the text of this manual and that of a submanual, the former prevails.
The arguments for this clause are set out in detail on talk. I'm alerting my colleagues here because I think there may be support among them for better coordination between all 33 MOSs; my "discrepancy" clause is intended to encourage cross-checking and centralised discussion at MOS central when significant changes are proposed for daughter articles. It sees daughter articles as setting out greater detail rather than being separate empires. 
Your thoughts? Tony 02:54, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * I strongly support, in theory.  The only caveat or catch to my mind is that changing the core MoS is harder than changing one of its sub-guidelines, so it could potentially be difficult to keep "MoS Central" perfectly in-synch at all times with the more exploratory documents.  PS: Until what to do with WP:DATED is determined, please make sure that it is listed as one of the 33; we wouldn't want to lose it again!  :-)  — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storm at MOS central 

message: Partial dates seems to have become misplaced under this section heading.
It's a section I found bemusing on first encounter, and still feel is unclear. "Dates which do not reflect users' preferences ...": I thought it was telling me that a user following that link would end up at a page other than where s/he wanted to go.  It's all very negative.  Could usefully all be scrapped, replaced by the couple of sentences explaining how User Preferences affect day/month dates, which I've just seen elsewhere ... ah yes, it's your "Autoformatting and linking" proposal, which seems sensible, thanks. PamD 16:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So are you suggesting it should just be removed? Is there nothing to say about the topic? I must say that I was perplexed as to what to do with it: my brain melts when I try to read it, and it's clearly been pushed and pulled about by parties who disagree on it. What to do? Tony 01:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 7 Geographical coordinates
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Archive 76

message: OMG, what nooks and crannies does MOS have. I've unearthed a stubby yet "official" little style guide called Wikipedia:Avoid_statements_that_will_date_quickly. In the interests of cohesion, I feel that it should be deleted and the guts of it included here (there's not much, I assure you). I've left a note on its talk page, which hasn't been touched for nearly a year. Tony 00:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, all I thought worth salvaging was something quite valuable concerning the need to avoid vague language. I've added a new subsection to our draft summary, called "Precise language". See if you like it. Tony 03:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to retain the as of 2007 business discussed in .  I myself only encountered this last week, but I've found templates that make use of the "As of YYYY" stuff, and so on.  It's not hugely known, but WP:DATED is in play in the background. I'm not sure it really should be part of WP:MOSNUM though, as it isn't really about date formatting, but (as it says) avoiding the use of statements that will date quickly; it's more a matter of writing structure than number formatting.  My mind could be swayed on this point though. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you satisfied with the current draft of "Precise language"? Tony 03:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I got an idea, why not put it on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion? That's the best solution, this page is so old, we shouldn't just get rid of it without some real discussion. TheBlazikenMaster 11:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up the scraps
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers/Archive 79

message: At Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates#Uranus, the nominator responded to my query about the spaces in the infobox of Uranus thus:
:The space separators to the right of the decimal appear to come from ISO 31-0. It's been applied to all of the Solar System planet articles by an unknown editor. — RJH (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that I don't have an issue with this spacing scheme; they make a long string of digits easier to read. — RJH (talk)
They look seriously bad, so I wonder whether action is required. I'm no expert on this. Tony 23:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, they've been around for at least several decades. Since it's inappropriate to use commas after the decimal point (or comma), a space is inserted after each group of three digits to enhance readability and reduce transcription errors. I didn't know that it had made it into an ISO, though. Askari Mark (Talk) 02:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, Askari. They have a link to this section. Tony 05:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bizarre spaces in the decimal part of numbers? 

message: :Add the option; the fewer piddling rules the better. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:26, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be anti-rule. This is not the place for you. Tony 23:40, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I endorse the policy in the paragraph we restored today: if two methods are both acceptable, as both would be here, either can be used; don't edit solely to switch from one to the other. Do you disagree? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *As for not belonging here: an editor who cannot tell the difference between, on the one hand, a choice among methods to convey information (which is our purpose), and, on the other, those rules to which English does not allow exceptions, is hardly the ideal writer here. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All too subtle for me; or is it that I just can't be bothered trying to make out the meaning? Tony 06:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably the latter. After all an editor  who is too politically correct to accept him as common gender, and so cunning that he cannot change to him or her (or change number to them) can hardly be lacking in subtlety, can they? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your'e right, I am too aware of the need to write inclusive language to pass over the now-unacceptable assumption that the male is the default gender. Singular they is one of several solutions, and not one I favour. Tony 01:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not propose singular they; had I done so, I would not have written "changing number". It would be no problem to change the sentence to speak of readers. Please read what is in front of you. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: OT: rules.
Category talk:Mining communities in the United States

message: How inclusive should this category be?  Towns where mining is their main reason for existing would be obvious inclusions, but what about towns with mining where it is not the main industry?  Or towns which used to be known as mining communities but not anymore?  Even limiting this to the first criteria this category could easily be filled with hundreds of small towns in one state alone, West Virginia and Nevada come to mind.  What about cities which are/were historical centers of mining activity even though most people would not think of them as "mining communities" - Pittsburgh and San Francisco for example?  Clinchfield 00:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled
Talk:E8 polytope

message: The article says that the E8 polytope is the highest (dimensional?) finite nonprismatic semi-regular figure.
However, the demihypercube series consist of nonprismatic semiregular_polytopes (or regular, in low dimensions), one in every dimension.
So the 9-dimensional demienneract should be an obvious counter-example to this statement.
It is true, however, that the E8 polytope is the highest dimensional finite Semiregular_E-polytope.
If the statement was supposed to mean that the E8 polytope is the nonprismatic semiregular 8-polytope with the most number of vertices (unlikely), then it should be checked (in references) against the other 254 semiregular polytopes having E8 as its Coxeter_group (not to mention the 190 polytopes of D8 type, other than the demiocteract etc...), and if true, the statement should be changed to clearly mean this.
85.224.18.87 00:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has to do with the definition of semiregular which Gossett defined to mean a polytope which is vertex-uniform, nonprismatic, and has two or more types of regular facets.  This is the last one, by that accounting. Your accounting allows for uniform facets. Tom Ruen 02:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

message: I'm curious, does anyone know how many (vertex-edge-vertex) steps it takes to cross this polytope? For instance, the n-hypercube takes n steps, and the number of nodes a given distance away follows Pascal's triangle, so an 8-cube, with 256 vertices counts like this:  1     8     28    56    70    56    28    8    1.  An 8-cube has 1024 edges, while the e8 polytope has 6720 edges, so perhaps the path lengths are much smaller. The E5 polytope Demipenteract is an alternated penteract, which deletes have the vertices, so the path lengths also get cut in half, so perhaps the E8 is similar? Tom Ruen (talk) 01:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edge path lengths?
Talk:Margaret Suckley

message: The basic problem with this article, beyond the bare biographical details, is that we only have this cache of letters to draw conclusions from -- and the conclusions reached by different scholars may not agree. I find too little scholarship here and much coloring in of empty black lines by supposition. The first part is OK, but from "Yet she seems to have been routinely dismissed" onward, there is a bad implication of original research, and there are no sources cited for sentence upon sentence, unless you count the primary documents themselves -- making this at least sloppy and at worst original research. Need more sources to back up interpretation of this problematic material (instead of a chummy and intimate "oooh, this is probably what was meant", more like "Smith believes this is what was meant"), and an update pertaining to the writing of the movie -- which will bring interest to this article, possibly misleading readers -- would help as well. (Wish I could help!) --Dhartung | Talk 01:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  There is nothing in the original sourcing which supports the idea of an affair, just a friendship.  Any intimacy was emotional, which was rare enough for FDR, rather then physical.  I am editing the article to reflect this.THD3 (talk) 02:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic material 

message: Can't someone come up with a non-copyrighted photo of Miss Suckley? Preferably of WW II vintage? I don't think I've ever seen a picture of her. --Michael K SmithTalk  00:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo?
Talk:Luton/Archives/2005/June

message: From the article:
Vauxhall Motors opened a car plant in the town in 1905, along with an Electrolux household appliances plant, followed by other light engineering businesses
This, together with the surrounding sentances, gives the impression that an Electrolux plant was founded in the beginning of the 20th century. However, Electrolux wasn't, according to the wikipedia article, formed until 1910 and probably, as it isn't a british company, didn't open up a plant in Britain for some years. Could it have been another company, currently owned by Electrolux? Gunnar Larsson 21:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrolux
Talk:Luton/Archives/2006/August

message: Unless anyone can come up with a good reason for keeping it in, I suggest the following sentance should be deleted:
"In 2006, a local independent travel agency called Double S Travel Worldchoice became the first Luton agency to be voted a finalist in five categories of the 2006 Travel Agent Achievement Awards 2006."
Wikipedia is not advertising space for small companies. Indisciplined 23:13, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shameless Advertising
Talk:Luton/Archives/2006/November

message: Having been born and bred there i have an affinity to the place, but i think the main reason ppl will come the page is because of its 'crap towns' status. Anyway, could we move the bit about crap towns to above the History just below the intro? I'm not taking the piss, it seems one of the most interesting things about the article, and makes the town unique... not many places can claim such an 'honour'. Bjrobinson 22:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to have been completely deleted.  For better or worse, I think a comment to the effect that it won Crap Towns II should probably get a mention on the page.  As so often gets pointed out, Wikipedia is a source of information, not a promotional tool, for business or towns. Legis 09:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted the delete of the triva section with the Crap Towns item. If people want to edit it then ok, but i agree it probably should be mentioned. GazMan7 11:27, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crap Towns 

message: I have nominated Luton for Peer review. The article has come on a long way recently, and is a lot better structured than it was, however some additonal input from people outside of Luton/Beds etc may well help improve it further.GazMan7 11:06, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review
Talk:Luton/Archives/2007/August

message: The Education section contained out-of-date rankings. Instead of updating them, I removed the paragraph for the following reasons:
* University of Bedfordshire has been revised, and duplicating the information here adds to the Wikipedia maintenance burden.
* The new information is rather complicated and would need to be summarised here.
* Other articles on cities (e.g. Birmingham, Brighton, Bristol, Cambridge) do not contain rankings; they just link to their university articles.
* If we have the information here we would also have to duplicate it in the Bedford article.
JonH 11:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  University league tables
Talk:Luton/Archives/2007/February

message: This appeared on the main article today and I can understand why. Luton has a huge Irish community and this is part of luton life, the celebration of St. patrick's day. However, I think we need to discuss this before we make it permanent. I cannot source it but someone who could would be helpful.
The paragraphs reads:
St. Patricks Day
Luton is a huge base for Irish immigrants and those of irish descent. It's because of this that each year a week long festival is held to celebrate the Patron saint of Ireland [[St 
Patrick]]. This is one of the largest St. Patricks day celebrations in the country and is arranged by the Luton Irish Forum. Each year entertainers and band from all over the U.K come and perform in Market hill, Luton where the celebration is held.
Anyone who would like to comment about the relevence and 'notability' (although I don't like that word), please leave your message below. Personally, I can't see anything wrong except there doesn't seem to be a right place to put it. Again, any suggestions, make them below.
Thanks, Random articles 20:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I know it says it needs to cite it's references, but it more or less coincides with what we know already. Luton has a huge Irish based community. Now whether we include this is up to the rest of you, but this could do with a mention, I reckon. Random articles 17:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St. Patrick's day 

message: I'm not sure but I think that picture of the town hall seems a bit out of place Robin 20:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image out of place?
Talk:Luton/Archives/2007/March

message: Waulud's Bank is Neolithic, not Paleolithic.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.140.139.225 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 15 March 2007(UTC)
If you see an error, please correct it.GazMan7 17:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early History
Talk:Tachygyia

message: What is the second paragraph supposed to mean?  It sounds like a sentence is missing or something.  "Traded with the naturalists through the worst of their peril"? Whose peril?  "Perhaps Dumont d'Urville's pretended interest extended as far as the giant skink"? What pretended interest? J. Spencer 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I know why: copyvio (chunks of the beginning and end). J. Spencer (talk) 02:54, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh?
Talk:East India Company (video game)

message: I would like to get one of those sidebar thingeys that are on most articals. Also, how do I take pictures and embed them into my artical so that they appear as a picture on the page? THNX 75.23.98.214 01:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, you'll take the picture yourself, or find one with a license compatible with Wikipedia's usage. For the rest, that template is called an infobox. Info page about tempates, and check out the for examples of templates one can use (or make your own if you wish). Tangurena (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Well, it is released now, and my copy has been shipped from Amazon. Yesterday's press release. I don't know about you, but I've been waiting for this game for months. Tangurena (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: According to steam the Director's cut is called Designer's cut. (Psyclon Thanatos (talk) 03:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name 
Talk:Raymond Rahme

message: "The Category:African poker players" was deleted and I was wondering why, because you have to start somewhere. He was the first person from the African continent to reach a final table of a main event, this should be reason enough to start this category, don´t you think? --Elconejo 15:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is already a :Category:South African poker players that I added, which fall as a sub-category under :Category:Poker_players_by_nationality, being that Rahme is from South Africa, Category:African poker players would be covering a continent rather then the nation▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 20:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx Sirex98! I`m rather for adding or exchanging than for just deleting without any comment.. --Elconejo 21:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, a comment should had been left by the user that reverted or removed, without leaving, a Edit summary, the under use of it leads to more fights (in general) that I seen here over many months, that could otherwise be avoided by a simple line of text. cheers ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 21:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  african poker player category 

message: i undid the line saying that freddy deeb earned more money because deeb is living and gambling in the us for the last years. --Elconejo 15:19, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Freddy Deeb]]
Talk:Ten Days' Wonder

message: This reads like an extended blurb on the back cover of the book. Wikipedia entries should give the whole plot of the novel and most do. This section needs editing by someone who's actually read the book. aldiboronti (talk) 02:24, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot summary

message: I have tried to provide independent sources; having provided two, I trust it's okay to remove the "independent sources" tag.  I intend to find whatever others are available and cite them. Accounting4Taste 02:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Make that three sources, and the Symons quote is directly relevant, I trust. Accounting4Taste 02:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Independent sources

message: As I said on the Ellery Queen talk page, I don't disagree with this assertion per se; I just think it needs a citation from a third party, because the character is not named "Ellery Queen".  Accounting4Taste:talk 21:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a copy of both the film and the book, thanks, and while I believe your point has merit, it's not my opinion or your opinion that counts here, it's that of an external expert that can be referenced and cited.  Anything else is original research.  Accounting4Taste:talk 23:30, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellery Queen character in the film 

message: Regardless of how apparent or obvious it may seem, the assertion that a character from one fictional work is the analogue of another character requires a citation. It would be a fine observation to make in a film review or a periodical article about the film. However, Wikipedia is not the place for original research. A reliable source for the claim should be found. Beyond concerns regarding what Wikipedia is not and original research, if a fact is contested then a citation is required (see Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information). Finally, finding a solid reliable source for the claim is simply of benefit to the article. Reliable sources discussing such things are likely to provide some context (such as how the two characters are similar and different) and are also likely to provide other interesting and useful commentary about the film. Cheers! Vassyana (talk) 06:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion
Talk:14th Regiment (New York State Militia)

message: As an FYI to readers and editors, I am in the process of cleaning up this article and will be adding inline citations in the coming weeks. --Daysleeper47 (talk) 19:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, you might want to insert the MILHIST B-class checklist (it's in the Milhist banner) and start ticking the various boxes for B-class status. Buckshot06 (talk) 01:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: For me the cemetery is just a nine mile subway or bicycle ride, but I probably won't get there in February unless it's a special occasion.  Like, an out of town Wikiphotographer wants to meet me.  Jim.henderson (talk) 04:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article work 
Talk:Motorcycle seat

message: What codswallop! Most motorcycles of the late 19th and early 20th centuries were little more than motorised bicycles and take their components and terminology from that of the bicycle fraternity. Whether the term saddle or seat is used seems to relate to the type of seat and the regional usage. It seems from my reading that the term saddle is usually only applied to a "sprung saddle" and seat is applied to the "dual seat/benchseat". 
As for seats being attached BEHIND the fuel tank, that is certainly not the case with stepthroughs or scooters. M-72 01:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with the first point (and the second, but haven't done anything about it). I have amended the article accordingly - why not since it isn't cited. AFAIAW, saddle is a generic term originally describing the back of some animals. Cuts of meat from the back of sheep are known as "saddle of lamb", for instance. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled
Talk:Cat of Many Tails

message: I trust two direct quotes is sufficient to satisfy the removal of the "reliable sources" tag... it's difficult to find others, but I will continue to look. Accounting4Taste 02:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 
Talk:Fixed odds betting terminal

message: This article could use some clarification on the difference between a FOBT and a regular fruit machine (which also presumably have "fixed" odds in some sense) - what are the significant differences? --Gapfall (talk) 08:54, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference from fruit machines 

message: I find it hard to believe that these machines exist only in Britain, or only Britain and Ireland.  Anyone know if they exist elsewhere? 5.80.55.112 (talk) 18:58, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Worldwide?