Talk:Cosimo III de' Medici

message: I don't think the Counter Reformation ended around 1648.  The Dutch and German Wikipedia tell me the Counter Reformation ended somewhere in the 18th century. The English article needs to be changed! Niels Stensen, Ehrenfried Walther von Tschirnhaus and Leibnitz were their exponents in Germany and around 1670-1680 there was a lot of discussion on science, geology, anatomy, the creation and the bible. Lorenzo Magalotti and Antonio Magliabechi probably read each book on these subjects. Some books were banned by the Inquisition and by Cosimo III; something not mentioned very clearly in the article. The university of Pisa lost many students because of this, Taksen (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In light of this, I have no problem with the restoration of the line to the introduction. Have a nice day, Taksen! Yours, -- Jack1755 (talk) 17:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: It's a shame that there isn't more written about Cosimo. -- Jack1755 (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Counter Reformation

message: Is there an expression in English which says: tell me who you friends are, and I will tell you who you are? This is my view on writing an article. It is always very helpful to understand a person or an event. It is beside the truth to state that Cosimo ordered a series of reactionary decrees. Chianti is perhaps the world's first
legally defined GI (?), by virtue of a Decree by Grand Duke Cosimo III de' Medici from 1716. The article should show these contradictions or "inconsistencies" and could inspire others to do more research. 
In my point of view Cosimo had to deal with many problems, that are not solved, discussed or count today. How much nude is right to show on the street or in church. What do we believe: creation of evolution? What do I do after it becomes clear my marriage is an unhappy one. How do I organize the upbringing and the education of the children without a mother. (Cosimo asked Steno, a very influential scientist in those days. Action does not mention the name of the person, but states it was through his wife). Cosimo liked to write letters and kept diaries. He was an early rationalist, interested in science, see the Italian and Catalan articles, who do mention it. It seems his wife was not interested in science at all, or shared his interest for gardening. May be she did not like his favourite wine, or food, (and brought in her own cooks) and his interest for paintings and painters, but preferred to go shopping instead, walking around with the family jewels. Cosimo had her locked up, but turned out be helpful when she discovered a knob in her breast and invited Alliot. Cosimo bought a collection on Amboinese plants from Georg Eberhard Rumphius. I will look for more information, there is a book published in Italian. I am aware this cannot be all in the article, but some could, to create interest. Taksen (talk) 07:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Taksen, I'd just like to let you know that I have read your comment and will respond in full once I get home from school later today (in approximately twelves hours or so). It's actually about 3:30 AM where I live so I was about to head off to bed. Anyways, I'll just respond to your comments later on. My regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 07:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Its linked; they have their own aritcles, we shouldn't laden the this article with uneccessary detail; Cosimo was dead for 12 years when the Treaty of Turin 1735 was ratified, which resigned the Grand Duchy to Francis. -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There is little to no need to go off on a tangent to describe who Cosimo hired to decorate his palace or that sort of thing. This is an encyclopedia article, meaning that the article must be a comprehensive discussion of Cosimo's life. Not what his decorator was working on in his palace, but what Cosimo was doing. Simply, there is no need to discuss in detail this sort of information in the article; briefly touching on/summarizing it and adding an internal link is entirely sufficient. If this article is to pass an AN or a FAN, then going off in detail about how Lorenzo Magalotti was decorating Cosimo's palace or how Maria Theresa was attempting to gain the throne of the Austrian Empire or that sort of minor detail of little importance is exactly what should not be in the article. In summation, there is no need for these "unnecessary details". My regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 02:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What the article should show

message: In 1736/1737 there was a swap between Poland, Austria, Lorraine and Tuscany, may be it needs some more clarification. I added an explanation to Maria Theresia, but someone did not agree, so now you can find it on her talkpage. It could be used for Gian Gastone when, someone improved the wording and I take another look to the references. It is possibly best to add it to the German Wikipedia. It took some time to find out what happened, and it would be a pity, the information disappeared.Taksen (talk) 13:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Its linked; they have their own aritcles, we shouldn't laden the this article with uneccessary detail; Cosimo was dead for 12 years when the Treaty of Turin 1735 was ratified, which resigned the Grand Duchy to Francis. -- Jack1755 (talk) 21:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text: There is little to no need to go off on a tangent to describe who Cosimo hired to decorate his palace or that sort of thing. This is an encyclopedia article, meaning that the article must be a comprehensive discussion of Cosimo's life. Not what his decorator was working on in his palace, but what Cosimo was doing. Simply, there is no need to discuss in detail this sort of information in the article; briefly touching on/summarizing it and adding an internal link is entirely sufficient. If this article is to pass an AN or a FAN, then going off in detail about how Lorenzo Magalotti was decorating Cosimo's palace or how Maria Theresa was attempting to gain the throne of the Austrian Empire or that sort of minor detail of little importance is exactly what should not be in the article. In summation, there is no need for these "unnecessary details". My regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 02:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Swap

message: I'm tagging the heading; it doesen't comply the the WP:MOS, nor WP:LS. Some of the information just shouldn't be there: if the article doesen't say he banned books on Cartesian dualism, it can't be in the intro. Plus, why are there italics? Are they supposed to be quotes? And, Taksen, you copied and pasted a sentence from Brittanica.com. You seem to have deleted my citation needed tag also. What do you mean by this sentence: "Tuscany witnessed deterioration to previously unknown economic lows, but no biography of Lorenzo will ever be definitive, for the questions in dispute are rather of feeling than of fact"? Who's Lorenzo? Why is he mentioned? -- Jack1755 (talk) 10:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stick to the matter at hand. You aren't addressing the issues I raised. I never said I was going to leave out "everything about sciences, conter-reformation, inquisition, and travel details"; I merely pointed out that you aren't following wikipedia's established policies & guidelines.  -- Jack1755 (talk) 18:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Unless the opinions you have expressed are published in third-party, reliable sources, they have no place at wikipedia; and constitute original research -- which is explicitly forbidden. -- Jack1755 (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

text: I take "hardly willing to co-operate" as a personal upfront. You cannot copy and paste sentences from published soruces without quotation marks -- it constitutes copyright violation, which, unlike original research, is illegal. And you still are to address the issues I raised in regards to the introductory paragraph. -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have invited other users to comment. -- Jack1755 (talk) 11:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Comment: About 80% of the other 50 edits are mine; I wouldn't mine losing them. They are, in their entirety, correcting Taksen. -- Jack1755 (talk) 14:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok then. Now I have no qualms with supporting the proposal. Therefore, I change my vote to Support. My regards, Laurinavicius (talk) 20:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section

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