Talk:Black Tom explosion

message: I'm putting this on my "to do" list.  — Rickyrab | Talk 03:59, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: to do

message: Two of the guards who had lit the smudge pots were immediately arrested. What does this mean? I know what a smudge pot is, but there is no mention of why they would be used. PrometheusX303 21:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smudge Pots?

message: The article contains no mention of flame. Lothar Witzke and Kurt Jahnke who according to this article were the oners who set the blast.  Rmhermen 06:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spies

message: How does this compare to the Halifax Explosion?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  14:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: You're the bomb?

message: Added "magazine" tag to draw attention to blatantly non-encyclopedic narrative style ("Walk the harbor today and you'll find . . .", "My guidebook says that . . . " etc. etc.) --Smithfarm (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Also, it was clearly not an "act of terrorism".  It was an act of war.JPBarrass (talk) 15:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Magazine tag added

message: This article needs verification in so many places it should almost be started over. Bits and pieces have been cut-and-pasted followed by a total lack of many of the important facts that were in the article the information was taken from. It is clear the USA may have been free to sell ammunition to whomever they wanted but that has nothing to do with Freedom of the Seas no matter how you twist it. Please finish this article or find some who will remain committed to it.75.17.210.153 (talk) 20:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: TO DO LIST?

message: "one of the three covert attacks on mainland U.S." Somebody's (correctly) added the '20 Wall Street bomb, & then there's the '93 WTC bombing... Clearly not only 3. Anybody have a better number?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  02:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the phrase to "covert attack by another nation" and dropped the terrorist incidents. The number of of covert terrorist attacks (e.g.30 anarchist bombings in 1919) would be too difficult to count--and too ambiguous to define. --134.140.153.162 (talk) 15:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If it's sabotage (by definition, action by foreign power), it's not terrorism anyhow. QED.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  16:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Short count

message: Warning: the following is OR and should not be inserted in the article. I noticed that accounts have windows being shattered all over lower Manhattan. Out of curiosity, I simulated a nuke attack via a nuke attack simulator (yeah, I know, Black Tom was conventional, oh well), and noticed that an explosion at Black Tom with overpressure sufficient to do that damage might have been somewhere in the 9 to 10 kt range, although the seismic waves thus caused might have contributed to the damage and atmospheric dynamics might have come into play. (Also, being a conventional munitions pile explosion, the shape of the blast/ fireball/ whatever it was would've been different from that of a nuclear weapon, affecting the damage area.) Depending on where relative to Black Tom the explosion was, the Statue of Liberty may have been pretty lucky that she didn't suffer worse damage. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. An interesting result, indeed. (Would you happen to know of one to compare Black Tom to Halifax and Port Chicago?) AFAIK, the blast effect is the same (hence rendering in "kilotons", i.e TNT-equivalent); it's the thermal pulse that differs.  TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura  23:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard that the Black Tom explosion involved something like 900 tons of explosives - an 0.9 kt explosion would (assuming spherical explosion, level terrain, etc.) have shattered a lot of windows in the Bayonne/Jersey City area (0.25 psi) but not necessarily too many windows in NYC with overpressure alone. Thus the shattering may have been due to seismic waves, rather than overpressure. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, here's Halifax. 192.12.88.7 (talk) 23:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Perhaps one of the closest things to a (real life) reenactment of Halifax that I could find on Youtube (so far) was Operation Sailor Hat, a 500 ton explosion (detonated deliberately) on the shore of Kahoolawe. There is a movie reconstruction of Halifax out there on Youtube as well, but that uses special effects and is a duplicate of copyrighted stuff (which is presumably used under fair use), so I won't link to that here. 198.151.130.54 (talk) 00:59, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Effects of blast: shattering of windows

message: Denied his involvement well into the fifties and it is rather unproven only alleged--Tresckow (talk) 10:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franz von Papen 

message: "suspicion at the time fell solely on German saboteurs such as Kurt Jahnke and his assistant Lothar Witzke" - Kurt Jahnke was the brother of my grandfather ... and I am very pleased to read about his heroic action!! Is there any more information about him? Just filling gaps in our family's history ... --77.6.97.163 (talk) 12:45, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Nor about making obscene profits selling to one group of countries at war and then claiming that you are simply neutral.Historian932 (talk) 11:47, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found a related! 

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message: I just removed this unsourced "Characters" section from the article. If anyone wants to add sources, have a go at it. epicgenius (talk) 01:47, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  unsourced "Characters" section 

message: The article says "The United States did not have an established national intelligence service" in 1916. However the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Military Information Division (United States) had existed for several decades at this point. ☆ Bri (talk) 02:28, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The United States did not have an established national intelligence service" 

message: Hi there,
first the load on Johnson Barge No. 17 is given with 100,000 pounds (converted to 45 tons of TNT), later on, the load is given with 50 tons of TNT. Small discrepancy, but nevertheless should be unified. ciao --Pentaclebreaker (talk) 18:37, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference in amount of TNT 

message: Quote 12 is linked for a line about there having-been a 25$ fee being avoided ... *scoff* ... but the page on the .nj site does not contain anything about it  -  page edited?  is there an archive? a wayback machine version?
Also, perhaps you might also want to reference various nj flaunting-their-wealth content like Jersey shore, ... *starting-to-giggle* ... and that South Park episode with the nj re-occuring theme / plot, as a contrast example of whether or not .nj are or aren't all that generous/relaxed about money! :D  *can't keep it in anymore bursts out laughing* 120.21.164.161 (talk) 01:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 12 does not actually have what is in the reference 

message: This linked (  )paper from the US national archives gives an interesting sidelight on the effect of the Black Tom incident on German military and diplomatic codes. Thomas Peardew (talk) 19:08, 14 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Codebreaking 

message: The article says: "United States was neutral". Shouldn't it be "United States were neutral" instead? Nakonana (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States plural?