Talk:Dürer's Rhinoceros

message: Another reference for this would be David Quamman's book, "The Boilerplate Rhino: Nature in the Eye of the Beholder", which is a collection of his essays from Outside Magazine. The book took its name from the original essay, which was simply called "The Boilerplate Rhino". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.43.196 (talk) 03:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting - thanks.  The key reference (currently not consulted) would seem to be T. H. Clarke, The Rhinoceros from Durer to Stubbs, 1515–1799, Sotheby’s Publications, London, 1986.  (219 pages on copies of Dürer's rhinoceros). -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And ISBN for that title is . Circeus 14:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I can't figure out how to add this, maybe someone else could. 

message: The print of the Durer Rhinoceros was one of the six 'masterpieces' featured in this documentary series which was shown on BBC4 recently. Unfortunately, as the series has now finished, I can't find any reference to it on the BBC website. The only proof I've been able to find are the DVD's on sale at the British Museum shop (see http://www.britishmuseum.co.uk/Product.aspx?ID=1146 for these). That it was considered significant enough to be featured seemed like it might be worth mentioning in the article, even if only as a trivia point, but I can't work out how best to do so. Perhaps someone else might have a better idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Silverthorn (talk • contribs) 14:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't find any references to the BBC program, but there is a British Museum booklet "Master Prints Close-Up" which features Janssen's print. I'll add it to the article as a citation. JVollenhoven 23:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Book looks god and reasonably priced. I'll get a copy and write up the some 45 featured prints for Wikipedia. Others welcome to join me! JVollenhoven 00:19, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masterpieces of the British Museum 

message: Seeing the Rino reminds me of Samuel Griswold Goodrich's Iguanadon, as seen here . Should they be linked? Are there similar drawings that could be linked together as well? -Kevingarcia 01:40, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you - it is an interesting parrallel. Dürer had to reconstruct a rhinoceros from a written description and a drawing (now lost); Goodrich had to reconstruct a dinosaur from a disarticulated skeleton, based on the opinions of leading palaeontologists.  However, I am not sure how much it adds to this article.  Can you provide any references which discuss the similarities? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, no connection other than my own observations. Still, seems someone interested in one would find the other intriguing. - Kevingarcia 08:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to other misdrawn creatures? 

message: This is my first time on this site and I clicked on this article expecting an article about a rhinoceros, but I see an obscene picture with numerous vulgar words in the caption beneath it. You call youselves encyclopedians? I thought this was a real legitimate site and was thinking of becoming an editor myself, but this just shows you're a bunch of immature jerks possing as an encyclopedia. Is this all some sort of sick practical joke?!  Well, you just lost a customer. Good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.245.145.107 (talk) 
:The vandalism lasted less than 1 minute and as you can see the article is quickly put back to normal. Wikipedians do their best to keep vandalism off and it is too bad that you managed to stumble on vandalism. Gdo01 03:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  i'm not ammused 

message: Since this article is a featured article I will not just edit it, but consult my fellow Wikians.
The image of Dürer's Rhinoceros was used as the cover of A Sociology of monsters; Essays on Power, Technology and Domination edited by John Law. Is this fact worth being mentioned here? Mach10 09:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the idea (and I was not aware of that instance) but I am not convinced that this article needs a section listing all of the times when the image has been used as a book cover, etc. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern day uses

message: *http://www.artebr.com/lambelambe/historia.html - ! -- ALoan (Talk) 18:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That page (translation) has three versions of the image, a 3rd edition (like our top image, with 6 lines of text), a 1st edition (like the one in Australia, with 5 lines of text) and the 17th century chiaroscuro version.   It has interesting comments on Francisco Pereira Coutinho, call "the Rusticão", captain of the Nossa Senhora da Ajuda and later "captain of Bahia", and on the letter sent to Nuremberg. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gosh

message: I feel that the german translation provided is not entirely accurate.  Here is something which I believe better represents the caption:
On the first of May in the year 1513 AD, the powerful King of Portugal, Manuel of Lisbon, brought such a living animal from India. They call it rhinoceros.  It is represented in all its form here.  It is the colour of a speckled turtle, and is almost entirely covered with thick scales.  It is the size of an elephant but has shorter legs and is almost invulnerable.  It has a strong pointed horn on the tip of its nose, which it begins to whet when it is near stones.  This animal is the mortal enemy of the elephant.  The elephant is deathly afraid of it, because when they meet, this animal charges with its head between its front legs, it rips the elephants stomach open and guts it, against which the elephant is unable to defend himself.  The animal is so well armed that the elephant can do nothing to him.  It is said that the rhinoceros is fast, jolly and cunning.
And the word Schildkrot in the text is most certainly translated as turtle rather than toad.  Krot on its own would be toad, while the added Schild specifies a shielded toad, or a turtle.Philfo 16:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks.  As was already noted, some sources did say "tortoise" but my vestigial schoolboy German was not up to the task of discerning between the two.  I have taken in some other suggestions, although I suppose the translation does not need to be word for word.  Is that a bit better? -- ALoan (Talk) 16:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great edits!  Word for word would be unnecessary, but the new version is much closer to representing the original meaning which I believe is a worthwile change.  Philfo 16:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, thank you for providing another translation. Now, if only people would stop vandalising the page... -- ALoan (Talk) 17:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: German Translation

message: Hi, I am translating this lovely article to Spanish (almost finished), but I found a problem with a link. When the article refers to Villefranche... which Villefranche is supposed to link? In this wikipedia Villefranche is a dissambiguation page. I would like to specify a little more to make the link more useful. Congratulations to the authors.Chabacano 22:48, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I just found it in the French version. It is Villefranche-sur-Mer Chabacano 22:52, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help needed with a translation

message: The other language versions of this page mention some snippets that are not mentioned here, and have a few extra images.  I wonder whether it is worth gilding this lily a bit more?  Anyway, I had to put this other Dalí sculpture somewhere :) "not entirely anatomically accurate" in spades! -- ALoan (Talk) 15:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French, Spanish, German

message: The creator of the Meissen rhinoceros is apparently not sufficient important to be mentioned.  It seems to have been sculpted by Johann Gottlieb Kirchner in 1730 or 1731.   (Some sources call him Johann Jakob Kirchner, or attribute it to his successor Johann Joachim Kaendler instead.)
And here is an image of the Paris obelisk by Jean Goujon in 1549, if someone feels it is worthy.  Perhaps the inspiration for Bernini's Pulcino della Minerva in front of Santa Maria sopra Minerva, or perhaps they both derive from Hypnerotomachia Poliphili.
!! 13:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This (and the Dali above) could go in the main article. But links in captions are to be avoided - they would be fine in footnotes to the main text, or even the caption, although they may be disapproved of there - I'm not sure is the MOS covers this. Johnbod 13:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Meissen and obelisk

message: The woodcut shown can't possibly be the first known image of a rhinoceros, as there is prehistoric cave art of the creature. I've changed the wording to refer to the first known print instead, but expert review would still be appreciated. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 10:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not the first, but probably the most iconic image for centuries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.180.114.207 (talk) 10:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First known image? 

message: this article is a "Featured article" in 9 different languages can someone make it featured in the all 15 languages? Yiftach T (talk) 19:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  wow 

message: This photo here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Panzernashorn2004.jpg looks even more like the woodcut that the one currently shown.  Shall we use it instead?  (It's not my phto, but when I saw it in the main rhinoceros article, my first thought was "Wow - that looks just like that old woodcut!"  Wardog (talk) 09:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of Indian rhinoceros 

message: What would that creature be in the right background of  Joseph Presents his Father and Brothers to the Pharaoh by Francesco Granacci (c. 1515) in the Uffizi? Can anyone find a reference? Humphrey Jungle (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted! I did find a recent 2015 blog on the subject, but not sufficiently RS to mention unfortunately. There's a close-up and some interesting OR. JVollenhoven 00:30, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spot the Rhino? 

message: I just thought I'd drop a line here to mention that the British Museum is now linking out to this article from their article about the same subject with the line See also the feature quality article about Albrecht Dürer's Rhinoceros in Wikipedia. Neat! Witty Lama 23:50, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's astonishing and an enormous complement to all those who have contributed to this article. Does this count for an ITN mention (is there another forum for significant back-links?) or at least a note in the talk header? Fæ (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Museum linkback 

message: I just visited the Cleveland Museum of Art and the Durer's piece was there. Unless there is more than one copy, should the location be changed to that? I do not have a source, so somebody should look for one. Thanks Piguy101 (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: After a quick search, I found this source: The Rhinoceros, 1515 This is from the museum's website and should be reliable. Piguy101 (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a print. There are dozens, if not hundreds of copies. The BM is only mentioned because it has the preparatory drawing. Johnbod (talk) 01:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Piguy101 (talk) 20:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: The second chunk of text in this article is exactly the same as a large chunk of the text under the heading 'Durer's woodcut'. Seems like the bit in the intro would do better just under the woodcut heading, removed entirely from the intro or summarised?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.73.39 (talk) 02:55, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Repetition?

message: I've converted the scan to high-contrast greyscale, which is only meet for a form of line art, but the people at the TeaHouse said I should have consulted the experienced editors watching this article before doing so. This is a heads-up.Ant 222 (talk) 23:10, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the new one is slightly better, mainly because stronger. Individual copies will vary a lot. Johnbod (talk) 01:17, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback. I have linked an animated .gif that conveniently shows the corrections in a small fragment at 1:1 scale.Ant 222 (talk) 11:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The scan