Talk:Submission wrestling

message: Currently, submission grappling and submission fighting redirect to submission wrestling.
I have a question over the name of this article. Personally, I prefer the term "submission grappling" over "submission wrestling" because of its broader applicability. I don't know of many judoka who would call themselves "wrestlers", just like those with wrestling backgrounds wouldn't call themselves "judoka", but both would call themselves "grapplers". Same goes for martial artists in sambo, BJJ, JJJ, etc.
As for "submission fighting", I haven't heard it used much before, and I am wondering if it is more of a MMA term and implies striking as well.
What has kept me from just switching the article over to "submission grappling" is that whoever first created it felt for some reason that "submission wrestling" was the name of the activity, and Google tends to agree with him:
*"Submission wrestling": 37,500 results 
*"Submission grappling": 8,740 
*"Submission fighting": 13,300 results 
Assuming no one replies within a week (like usual), I will make the changes I think best.
Aesopian 17:20, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrestling, grappling or fighting 

message: Thought it odd to find no mention of the abu dhabi world submission events on this page. I am trying to get a dismabiguation note added to the abu dhabi (territory and city page) page. I can't find any sign of it elsewhere.
Trench 20:58, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abu Dhabi? 

message: User 32.100.250.43 is constantly changing "submission wrestling" into "submission arts wrestling". "Submission arts wrestling" only scores 242 hits on google, compared to 375000 for "submission wrestling", 120000 for "submission grappling" and 141000 for "submission fighting". The insistence is indicative of marketing or advertisement, since it is clear that the term isn't suitable for an encyclopedia. Stop editing it. ---Marcus- 07:06, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's NOT called "Submission arts wrestling" 

message: This article already focus in that. The article Grappling will focus on grappling in general. This way we can focus correctly in the different aspects on each article, linking to each other where appropriate. Regards Loudenvier 19:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article should focus on submission wrestling as a sport... 

message: I removed bits such as the statement that sub wrestling incorporates shooto and shootfighting techniques as these sports incorporates muay thai and catch wrestling and catch wrestling has already been stated as something which sub wrestling draws some of it's techniques from. Hope you all agree. Bjorn I. Clever (talk) 08:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  made some changes 

message: I am going to remove the subsection on FILA grappling, as it was mostly a copy&paste job of the official FILA description anyways. I will link the description under "types" to the section in the Grappling article concerning that particular topic as opposed to Submission Wrestling as a whole. If anyone thinks this could be handled more elegantly, please discuss. 24.210.142.145 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 05:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on FILA grappling 

message: Combat Submission Wrestling is a very known style of Shooto/MMA created by Erik Paulson. There are affiliate schools worlwide.
Submission Arts Wrestling is also a style of submission wrestling with affliate schools in Japan, the U.K. and the U.S.A.
Because there aren't wikipages on the subject, doesn't mean that the style doesn't exist in the 'real' world.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.41.114 (talk) 14:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do NOT kill the text when there's a red link, just change the link into plain text 

message: There's significant overlap between this and the Grappling page, I think they should be combined. Spagooder (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with grappling 

message: The redirect Combat jujitsu has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Certes (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
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