Talk:Arsaces I of Parthia

message: In the history of Hamza al-Isfahani, the Parthian king who fought Antiochus (Antiochus II, probably) is called Shapur. It is possible that Arsaces I wasn't first Arsacid king, but he was the first member of the dynasty who conquered somewhere. (he is the third king after death of Darius in this book) So his personal name was Shapur and Arsaces was his throne name, like other Parthian kings. Aryzad (talk) 15:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Arsaces was the first Arsacid king, there's no doubt about that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  First recorded Arsacid king. His father was probably king of some nomads, or a city. But Arsaces was the one who conquered somewhere. Grandfather of that Shapur is called Arsaces son Darius in the book. Aryzad (talk) 15:54, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now you're just making assumptions. You have to take ancient sources with a grain of salt, they usually have a lot of errors, which is corrected in modern sources. If you are right, then how come not any (prominent) modern source makes mention of that? --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not prominent sources, but yes, I can remember some modern books about this. "Political history of the Parthian Empire" by Sherwin Vakili. The author says Al-Tabbari called Arsaces I "Ashk ibn Askhan", which means Arsaces son of Arsaces son of Arsaces. Also in the forth volume of "Lost Millennium", the author says it's not believable that some adventurer suddenly showed up from nowhere and conquered Parthia, and says he was probably king of somewhere. This assumption that he was just another king of the dynasty, and not the founder is completely believable for me. Aryzad (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wut? please read the article, it literally states in the second section that he was the leader of the Parni before establishing the dynasty, and that he was the son of a certain Phriapites. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  This actually what I'm saying. He was leader of the Parnis, like his father, who was Arsaces too. He was not the founder of the dynasty. Aryzad (talk) 20:06, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's no mention of his father being the leader of the Parni. Also, leader of the Parni =/= King. Not every ruler/leader is a king. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:12, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shapur 

message: You keep claiming that the bit regarding Arsaces' father Phriapites is unsourced/uncertain, yet this very citation contradicts you; 
"They adopted the latter’s name, bore purely Iranian—even Zoroastrian—names (Lassen, Indische Altertumskunde II, Bonn, 1847, p. 285 n. 3, could connect the name of Arsaces’ father, Phriapites, with an Avestan *Friya pitā “father-lover” = Greek Philopatros)."
And while you keep removing that bit on the basis that it has "no evidence" you keep adding information without any (reliable) source whatsoever. This is Wikipedia:Tendentious editing at best, and to a GA article at that. Next time you will be reported to WP:ANI. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:38, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright no harm pal but he did use the title of King of kings or basileus and was born in Bactria for sure.  Nikephoros1 (talk) 13:29, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You still don't seem to get it 'pal'. What you think is completely irrelevant - we use (reliable) sources here. If you don't have any reliable source that supports your theories, then please leave this article alone. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:30, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phriapites