Talk:Joan Miró

message: How does one pronounce his first name?  I suppose I want to know how it is pronounced in Catalan (ie how he pronounced it) as well as how the English speaking art community commonly pronounces it (if different).  I have seen 4 different pronunciations on the internet : ho-an, hwan, jo-an, and zho-an. Mauvila 03:37, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you pronounce it wrong. The right pronunciation is "Joo-AN". The "h" sound does not exist in Catalan. 81.39.158.244 (talk) 05:48, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Lots of great facts, but the writing is disjointed. Minor cleanup needed. 
Has the above debate ever been officialy settled? Lampros 05:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Tag

message: What did Joan Miró die of?
Thank You in Advance
Joan Maxwell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.74.21.46 (talk) 2006-03-03t21:12:29z
:I am not sure, but since he died 90 years of age, died of old age seems a reasonable guess. Arnoutf 11:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death

message: Does anyone know why his work is on the Google logo today?–Clpalmore 4:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: He's on Google

message: I cannot figure it out. In the External Links section there is a link to "Miró at Olga's Picture Gallery". But it actually leads to some weird page (http://www paraparapu com/) although in the page source I can only see the proper link (http://www.halter.net/gallery/miro-os.html). Any idea why?... aiks 07:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now there is only this strange link (http://www paraparapu com/) in the source page. I guess somebody is making jokes aiks 08:13, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Hi,
This page needs some reorganization, as well as a way to make sure that the link for Google, always returns the special Logo created for Joan Miró. Just having a link to Google, will stop showing the logo a day after. Chirag 15:45, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Picture and Need some reorg on the site

message: We are an international fine art gallery and publisher located in Scottsdale, AZ.  We represent the original works of Joan Miro including aquatints, carborundums, and lithographs. We are secondary market specialist in buying and selling and our focus is that of the original 20th century masters including Warhol, Picasso, Miro, Botero, Rockwell, Wyeth and more.  Is it possible to be added to your External Links for Miro as a source to acquire his works?  
You can visit our website at www.americanfineartgallery.com, not all of the artists we represent are currently listed on our site, we are working on reconstuction of it to include all of the artists we feature.
Thank You,
American Fine Art Editions, Inc.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Artpub (talk • contribs) 19 May 2006.
: We do not normally link to commercial sites. Frankly, just giving your URL here on the talk page borders on commercial spam, by our standards. The only possible exception would generally be if you had an extensive, informative page about the artist; even then, the commercial nature of your site would be an argument against linking to it, unless it was uniquely informative compared to other sites available on line. - Jmabel | Talk 22:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding an External Link 

message: Support As the 4D article is now a 1-liner stub is support. If the 4D article develops further it might warrant its own article though Arnoutf 17:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge 4D painting

message: I'm trimming commercial external links that don't have much Miró material. I'm of two minds about the FantasyArts.net link: there are rather decent reproductions of half a dozen interesting pieces, but there are also an awful lot of ads (through Google AsSense, it appears). Others' thoughts? - Jmabel | Talk 05:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming links 

message: I reworded the section about an award he was given "for all his works" in "Miro Museum, found in the United States".
But the bigger problem is - what is this museum? Can anyone provide a source?
Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 16:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No reply for a month, i'm removing it. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:10, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miro Museum, found in the United States 

message: Joan Miro's "La caresse des etoiles," was sold to an anonymous bidder for $ 17 million at Christie's auction in New York on May 6, 2008.  Afp.google.com,   Monet fetches record price at New York auction --Florentino floro (talk) 07:23, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Posthumous sale

message: Who is Jean Miro?  Is Jean Miro Joan Miro or is Jean Miro someone else?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.251.194.18 (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean. I have never heard of Jean Miro. Arnoutf (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Jean Miro

message: I don't think that Miro was a member of Gen of '27, which was primarily a grouping of poets. He is not listed in the Wikipedia article Generation of '27, which includes a list of members. Also I can't find independent information that he was a member.
Furthermore, the current discussion is very tangential (e.g. no need to mention Bunuel - who, incidentally, is also not listed in the Generation of '27 article). Saying that he was exiled from the Franco regime is misleading left as it is, since he did return to Spain from 1940.
I am proposing removing mention of Gen of '27, replacing it by more explicit information about Miro's movements between Spain and Paris.
Mozzy66 (talk) 12:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed Mozzy66 (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Generation of '27? 

message: The catalogue of the 1964 Miro exhibition says that his mother was the daughter of a cabinet maker while the article says watchmaker. Anyone able to resolve this apparent contradiction? Rjm at sleepers (talk) 10:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noting that. I have corrected it to cabinet maker, and added a reference to a 2008 catalogue. It is possible there were watchmakers in the family too, of course. Mozzy66 (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miro's mother's family 

message: Hi, I've been moving lots of stuff around here. I'm using pages like Vincent van Gogh as a guide. Some of the material (e.g. Joan_Miro#Experimental_style is very uncited and needs tidying and expansion, at the least. 
Please help, and provide comment if there are any issues with these changes. Mozzy66 (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm now adding descriptions of his works, beginning with earlier stuff, and group into stylistic periods. This part would be greatly improved by example images of each of these periods. Is there anyone who can contribute these? - I would think they would be well justified on Fair Use grounds, now that the article is discussing them in some detail. Mozzy66 (talk) 10:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structural and other changes 

message: Hi everyone. I did a brief copy edit of the article and had a few sections that I thought might need some clarity, in case someone feels the urge to expand on his work a bit. Miró is an artist who deserves a good or featured article, so perhaps this can help to make that happen eventually. There is also a trivia section that needs to be reworked per WP:TRIV. Some might think these are trivial, but as an art historian/Wikipedian they were some things that popped into my head while reading the article: 
:*"A few years after Miró’s 1918 Barcelona solo exhibition, he settled in Paris where he finished a number of paintings that he had begun on his parents’ farm in Mont-roig del Camp."
::Do we have an exact date? Also when did he visit his parents farm - was it when he was in university or after school or..? 
:*"One such painting, The Farm, showed a transition to a more individual style of painting and certain nationalistic qualities."
::What type of nationalistic qualities? It'd be great to hear more about Miró's nationalism and how it developed, since it is such a strong part of who he was as a person and as an artist.
:*"The already symbolic and poetic nature of Miró’s work, as well as the dualities and contradictions inherent to it, fit well within the context of dream-like automatism espoused by the group."
::A rather flowery statement. It's really easy to get peacocky about artists and their work. I'd perhaps quote the source directly perhaps..it might help neutralize this a bit.
:*"Though a sense of nationalism pervaded his earliest surreal landscapes and Head of a Catalan Peasant, it wasn’t until Spain’s Republican government commissioned him to paint the mural, The Reaper, for the Spanish Republican Pavilion at the 1937 Paris Exhibition, that Miró’s work took on a politically charged meaning."
::What type of politically charged meaning? It's an amazing work (one of his largest and finest) and it'd be wonderful to hear more about it!
===Works===
This entire section needs to be copyedited. It's tough to read, perhaps aspects are lost in translation. I found myself having to re-read sections over and over again, and the lack of description of the artworks mentioned makes it even harder to understand some of the concepts. A few examples (but there are more):
:*"These works, including House with Palm tree (1918), Nude with a Mirror (1919), and The Table - Still Life with Rabbit (1920), show the clear influence of Cubism, although in a restrained way, being applied to only a proportion of the subject"
::That's pretty intense. It states that these work clearly show the influence on Cubism but "in a restrained way" - it reads really oddly, and I'm not sure I understand how it is "being applied to only a proportion of the subject" when we're not quite sure what the subjects are. This is from the same paragraph:
:*"For example, The Farmers Wife (1922-23), is realistic, but some are stylized or deformed, such as the treatment of the woman's feet, which are enlarged and flattened." 
::Perhaps this is just lost in translation :) "some are stylized or deformed"  - what is stylized or deformed? The reader will not know without a description of the artwork in more detail. 
:*"The rural Catalan scene it depicts is augmented by an avant-guarde French newspaper in the center, showing Miró sees this work transformed by the Modernist theories he had been exposed to in Paris."
===Styles and developments===
:*"André Breton described him as "the most Surrealist of us all." Miró confessed to creating one of his most famous works, Harlequin's Carnival, under similar circumstances:"
::It goes on to have a quote from Miró, but what were the similar circumstances? It goes from Breton praising him as the Surrealist of them all to Miró talking about the creating of the artwork at his home.
:*"Also, Joan Miró was well aware of Haitian Voodoo art and Cuban Santería religion through his travels before going into exile. This led to his signature style of art making."
::This is interesting. Where did he go that would have had him bumping into voodoo and Santería practitioners? Cuba and Haiti? Would be nice to read more and have a citation.
Just some ideas! :) Great work on expanding the article!!! SarahStierch (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few thoughts about the content 

message: :*"André Breton described him as "the most Surrealist of us all." Miró confessed to creating one of his most famous works, Harlequin's Carnival, under similar circumstances:"
::It goes on to have a quote from Miró, but what were the similar circumstances? It goes from Breton praising him as the Surrealist of them all to Miró talking about the creating of the artwork at his home.
:*"Also, Joan Miró was well aware of Haitian Voodoo art and Cuban Santería religion through his travels before going into exile. This led to his signature style of art making."
::This is interesting. Where did he go that would have had him bumping into voodoo and Santería practitioners? Cuba and Haiti? Would be nice to read more and have a citation.
Just some ideas! :) Great work on expanding the article!!! SarahStierch (talk) 03:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Styles and developments

message: Look at the pictures on this wiki: http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Mir%C3%B3?uselang=cs. Something like this would be needed. Hafspajen (talk) 14:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: So-called ethnicity can matter concerning visual art. The world is not homogenous. This is reflected in the presence on Wikipedia of such articles as French art and Spanish art and School of Paris and New York School. I oppose edits such as this and this. Bus stop (talk) 14:46, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethnicity is a crucial aspect of many artists' bios (probably an argument could made for all artists). If Miro's ethnicity is important to note (and I believe it is) and we have sources to verify its importance to his art, then it should be noted. And if an artist is from a subnationality such as Catalan, we should usually mention it along with being Spanish. I understand it gets into tricky nationalistic territory (believe me, I live in Quebec, I know what it's like). But with the proper sources we should indicate the ethnicity and/or nationality whenever possible. freshacconci talk to me 14:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed that this editor is removing similar information at other articles on artists. A discussion takes place about this at the Antoni Gaudí Talk page. The issue is discussed further here. Bus stop (talk) 18:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the old version (Catalan Spanish) was fine. In any case that was the long standing consensus version, so per WP:BRD it would be the removing editors task to change consensus (after the initial revert) and not yours to defend preexisting consensus. Arnoutf (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: PS these multiple edits seem to be violation of WP:POINT if anything. Arnoutf (talk) 19:07, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please join the discussion in Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Request_board#RfC:_Citizenship_Issue_for_Spanish_Catalan_biographical_articles. Could we agree on a single place for discussion? It would be nice to deal with this in a single place because this issue might affect several articles Arcillaroja (talk) 07:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It would help to find a solution at a single place, but since someone edited the main space article the discussion logically emerged here. Arnoutf (talk) 17:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we say that Miro was a [[Catalan people|Catalan]] [[Spanish people|Spanish]] painter? 

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