Talk:Bowser/Archive 1

message: How do we know Bowser died before Luigi's Mansion? Madame Clairvoya merely states Bowser was "soundly defeated". How does this imply death? I'm not saying he didn't die; King Boo could be using Bowser's corpse, but there is the possibility that Bowser was laying low and King Boo was using a robotic (or even magical) Bowser suit. I think both options need to be stressed, not one of the other. --206.8.10.4 06:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the exact words. I guess this does imply Bowser really did die. If someone wants to change the article, they can (as I am the one who added the suit information). I just needed a source to confirm the death. Thanks again. --206.8.10.4 19:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowser's Death? 2 

message: For those pepole who saw the game video of the new super mario bros where he fell into the pit of lava and coming back without flesh on: He doesn't die! The fact is that he is a fake verson of bowser and the real him is at the final level. Bowser is everyones favourite villian and even though he always get owned by mario he will never die.
:Besides, we've seen from screenshots of Super Paper Mario that he's clearly still going to be alive for that one.
:Actually, Bowser does die in the new game, in a sense. He becomes an undead Dry Bones like monster until Bowser Jr. uses a magic potion to restore his father to his normal self. Bowser did die, but he was brought back to life (the same thing could have happened in Luigi's Mansion, meaning that the game is not the last game chronologically. --63.226.134.36 02:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd rather think of him as Nintendo's Juggernaut, personally. He's a-gon hit Mario wit his own pimp. Papacha 17:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowser's Death? 

message: Can anyone find any Nintendo GameCube renders of Bowser to put on the article?
:I found one on Gamekult that from the DS, but it's still a 3D render.
:http://img2.kult-mag.com/photos/00/00/53/55/ME0000535573_2.jpg
:Just thought I should run it by first before uploading it. Agent CH 15:58, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: GameCube renders

message: Should his nickname be "Bow" or "Ser"? Most people nickname him "Bow" and that "Ser" is a stupid nickname. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com
:How about "Bowse" or "Koop"? 81.232.72.53 12:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard any of these nicknames... Tyciol 19:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicknames for a video game character are useless. Just call them by their real name. GamePlayer623 00:50, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nickname

message: I suggest we change the name to King Bowser. We have Princess Peach, so we might as well have King Bowser. --A Link to the Past 00:49, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
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* Support, I prefer King Bowser to a title with parens. Andre (talk) 01:47, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
* Oppose. I'm pretty sure I've never heard him referred to as "King Bowser". They haven't used that terminology in any of the recent Mario games, either. Bowser (Nintendo) is fine. -Doozer (Talk) 00:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change

message: My King Bowser move failed, but if this does, humanity phales. *chortle* Anyway, considering the fact that Bowser is a main character in one of the most popular characters in the Mario series, the most popular video game ever made, I would go on a limb and say that this character is far more well-known than a Canadian politician, a common name for pets and the guy from Sha Na Na Na. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:26, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
===Support===
#A Link to the Past (talk) 00:26, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
#After discussing the situation with this article with A Link to the Past, I think that the current disambiguation page at Bowser should be moved and replaced by the current Bowser (Nintendo) article. We do not have any other full-length article on any "Bowser" topic, and the vast majority of incoming links to "Bowser" as of this writing are for the Nintendo character. - RedWordSmith 01:01, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
#Agree, I don't think anyone typing "Bowser" in the search bar would be looking for any of the other things mentioned on the disambig page.Amren (talk) 01:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that to the main Bowser page. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Poll: Name move

message: #A Link to the Past (talk) 00:26, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
#After discussing the situation with this article with A Link to the Past, I think that the current disambiguation page at Bowser should be moved and replaced by the current Bowser (Nintendo) article. We do not have any other full-length article on any "Bowser" topic, and the vast majority of incoming links to "Bowser" as of this writing are for the Nintendo character. - RedWordSmith 01:01, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
#Agree, I don't think anyone typing "Bowser" in the search bar would be looking for any of the other things mentioned on the disambig page.Amren (talk) 01:02, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: A bowser is a petrol pump, in Australian English, for one. Dysprosia 05:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that to the main Bowser page. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:00, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowser as an object

message: Phales more like Fails it --SPUI (talk) 00:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So, you want to move Bowser to Bowser (disambiguation) and move this page to Bowser? If so, and if the others have no problem with it, I can make the move. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has been renamed after the result of a move request. Apparently Zscout already took care of this. Dragons flight 03:30, September 2, 2005 (UTC)
I'm bringing up the King Bowser move again. Honestly, you can't argue the more-common thing; it's not a fair comparison, as the only people who usually talk are the heroes, who do not think of Bowser as a King. In the RPGs, however, whenever one of his minions refer to him, they call him King. Like King Arthur, that IS his official title. There's no disputing that. He's never been Prince Bowser, or just Bowser, or Bowser Koopa, or whatever. Since he has been introduced, he has been a King. His name has changed, but his title has not. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:18, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: =King Bowser move

message: *I prefer just plain Bowser. Even his minions call him that. Andre (talk) 01:49, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Object

message: *No, his minions call him King. Paper Mario, one of the few games to have speaking minions, uses the King term several times.
*We use King Bowser in the article, so why not in the title? - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: For one, yes, it is more realistic, but how often is Bowser ever realistic? Arguably, the SSBM Mario image could be considered the better image, but it is not how he is normally depicted. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he's been portrayed in 3D more. The Mario article has the 3D image and not the cartoon (as do several other game characters). Bowser should too. --DrBat 00:24, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But that model is not even from a Mario game. If a 3D image should be used, it shouldn't be SSBM's. He's been depicted more often as a 2D sprite. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Since he's been in so many games before there was 3-D, he's definately appeared more often in 2-D. Why can't we just use in image of 3-D Bowser later in the article?Kidicarus222 06:38, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since technology has been improved, he's been shown in 3D more. And he looks like a little kid in the Paper image. --DrBat 11:08, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: O_o That didn't even make sense. HOW does he look like a little kid? Also, you're arguing that because technology has improved, that he's been in 3D more? If he's been in 2D more, he's been in 2D more. No matter the technology. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It was only in 2D due to technological limitations. Once they were able to improve it, they did, and ever since Super Mario 64 he's been three-dimensional (except for the paper game, which its gimmick is paper figures in a three-dimensional world). Im sure Mario has been in more 2D too, and yet he has a 3D image for the main article. --DrBat 23:09, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but *drumroll* the lead image is NOT SSBM's Mario. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:18, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont see whats the big deal. Its still Bowser. But fine then, use this (it was posted at the top of this page). --DrBat 01:34, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But the super-realistic Bowser is not a popular depiction. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Is is just me, or does this not belong in the artile? Kidicarus222 22:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It totally belongs in the article. Bowser fan art—especially of the gay, beefcake and even adult-oriented variety—are all over the place. This is relevant because it's an extremely popular fan use of Bowser. Wikipedia isn't simply a canonical Nintendo publication nor an official press release center. It's neutral, and it covers the facts, both corporate and popular. I can provide sources of Bowser fan art and fan fiction in furry, kemono and oyaji genres. Bowser is middle-aged or older, he's muscular, he's chubby, he wears leather and spikes, he has chic hair, and he's badass—he's a magnet for gay fans. Some of it's pretty and tasteful, and some of it's quite ugly and not what you'd want to show to your children or your mothers, but this is a natural consequence of fans (many who have been playing the franchise since they were children) expressing their diverse appreciation for a favorite character. So do you want the sources? - Gilgamesh 03:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually, come to think of it, if we should be using a neutral point of view, we should discuss Bowser's long history as a fan art subject, of which a portion is gay and beefcake, and a portion is not. It's important to note that Bowser isn't exactly a gay icon per se, but rather an object of attraction, particularly among men who like bear, chubby, leather, oyaji, etc. In layman's terms, a lot of people think he's hot. - Gilgamesh 04:08, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

text: User:A Link to the Past brought up an excellent point about the commonness of themes in fan material and doujinshi. However, I still think they deserve mention. In this, articles like oyaji already do this a great degree, but I think something brief is still worthy of mention, such as "Bowser has long been a very popular subject of art, fiction and doujinshi made by fans young and old," or something similar. This has been used and is accepted in many articles, such as for Final Fantasy topics. Though FF players tend to start playing those games older than Mario players, I don't see why this mention of older fan involvement is less deserving here than it is in those articles. Get my drift? (Heh, personally I browse a lot of gay art, but I don't have interest in anything I couldn't show my straight friends. Bowser's nice-looking, but I hate porno and BDSM.) - Gilgamesh 04:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then if it really is a big deal, I feel like there should be a link to some of it. I mean, we're supposed to cite our sources, right? Kidicarus222 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthropomorphic fan art

message: Are you getting tired of Bowser as the villain because I am. Thief Lord 21:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fenk, Wario even has his own software company (WarioWare, Inc.) now. Surely Bowser can star in his own game for once. --Matharvest 07:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but HAS he? Nope, not once. It's not usual that the villain gets to be controlled in games. GamePlayer623 01:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are you getting tired of Bowser as the villain?

message: Since Bowser's kids in SMA4: SMB3 are the Koopa kids and not the Bowser kids, it is possible that in the US Koopa is Bowser's last name --Wack'd About Wiki 16:52, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Last name

message: Where did this information about Frank Welker voicing Bowser come from anyway? While I can't (at the moment) check Mario Party 5 or Mario Kart DS's credits (or M&L:PiT, for reasons obvious), I know he didn't voice Bowser in SM64DS. I checked them earlier, and Frank Welker was not one of the four voice actors listed. Plus, I checked Google, and nowhere on the Internet besides Wikipedia itself says that Welker voiced Bowser. Okay, I've checked Mario Kart DS's credits, and Frank Welker isn't there either. But Scott Burns is. Agent CH 05:26, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've been seeing Scott Burns's name on the list of credits ever since Super Mario Sunshine and usually as the third name on the list, below Charles Martinet and Jen Taylor. I've always assumed him to play Bowser. Isaac Marshall did his voice before he had speaking roles, right? Ron Stoppable 07:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what the article says, but back then, he always had generic roaring sounds that have been used outside of Mario games as well (an episode of ReBoot, for example). I know Marshall was listed in the Mario Kart 64 credits for Toad, at least. Agent CH 15:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Voice?

message: I made a comparison to Bowser using disguised clones in Mario Bros. to how Sephiroth does this in FF7. I don't feel that this is inaccurate, and shows it's influence on later games, probably in others I have not thought of. Why was it removed? Tyciol 19:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Problem with Sephiroth comparison?

message: *Talon and Malon both wear Bowser lanyards in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time.
I have to contest this... first off, what is a lanyard, and how is this in any way related to Bowser? Malon wears a dress and Talon wears overalls. This needs to get specific. Tyciol 07:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lanyard is a cord worn around the neck to hold something like a whistle. So lanyard wouldn't be the right term here - Bowser appears as the medallion on the cord, not the cord itself. But it's still a cameo appearance by Bowser, and as such would belong under "Cameo appearances" where it is. Agent CH 18:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I never noticed that, guess I'll have to beat the entire game over from the beginning to check this out... :) Not knowing what Lanyards were, when they said 'bowser lanyards' I was picturing Malon and Talon in shells. Does Info where one? Must be a family heirloom, which does raise some questions... as well as fanfic ideas. Tyciol 15:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ocarina of Time, Talon and Malon, WHAT?

message: I took a line out that read: One fan has joked that, "Bowser isn't really evil, he just likes to kidnap people." It seemed to be one person's opinion and did not furthur anyone's knowledge of the subject. I think most people will agree with me. Robocoppitiesthefool 15:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Joke 

message: I noted that there was no information about Bowser's appearance on Super Princess Peach, so I added some on the Platformers section. As I haven't finished the game yet, I hope someone can complete/correct this addition. wilerson 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Princess Peach 

message: I don't think the word "Nintendo" is the perfect suffix. This character appears in many computer online games that are based on Nintendo games (but that do not belong in the categories of being like Nintendo games in every way except that they are played with a computer keyboard.) Any opinions?? Georgia guy 01:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still, Bowser is strictly a Nintendo exclusive character and fan made games cannot change that fact.  -SaturnYoshi 01:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still one more comment 

message: Either King Bowser or King Bowser Koopa would be better than the current name. Articles will sometimes include titles like that anyways. 00:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally prefer "King Bowser Koopa", myself.  It is his full official name in the States after all.  -SaturnYoshi 03:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But we don't list Peach at "Princess Peach Toadstool", she's at "Princess Peach".
*I agree that King Bowser or King Bowser Koopa would be better then the "Bowser (Nintendo)". SNS 04:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: *As and when you settle on a better name, let me know and I'll fix up the links. Just zis Guy you know? 08:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi JzG.  Can you move it to King Bowser Koopa.  There's already history there, so this takes an admin.  Thanks, Ben Aveling 08:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * Final answer?  Happy to do it, but I'd prefer to do it just the once :-) Just zis Guy you know? 08:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Don't move it to King Bowser Koopa. While it technically may be his full name figured out by piecing bits of information together from different games, nobody actually uses that name. King Bowser is fine, IMO. -- Steel 10:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: King Bowser Koopa has never been used all together. There is no indication that Nintendo feels King Bowser Koopa is the official name, as they never used the name. Move to King Bowser. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm convinced.  Let's move it to King Bowser.  Ben Aveling 02:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this mean we've finally come to a decision? -SaturnYoshi 04:56, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: King Bowser Koopa is his full name. I would rather have him at "Bowser", but we have some bull-headed editors here who managed to move it and then block the attempt to move it back. Anyways, "King Bowswer" is the second most common name for him, so I would support that move. TJ Spyke 05:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alternate hypothesis: we have some bull-headed editors who insist that a character in a video game is more significant that a tradename which became genericised many decades ago to the point where it is now mentioned in dictionaries and treeware encyclopaedias, as well as being the local term for gas pump across an entire continent. I have completed the move to King Bowser as requested and am fixing the links. Guy 11:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should this just be moved to King Bowser?

message: Re the issue of Bowser's death - it should be noted that Madame Clairvoya poses a question - "COULD King Boo have revived Bowser?"  Therefore, the answer could equally be yes or no. I've always thought that it was some kind of very convincing robotic suit thing, so I've added that possibility back into the article. After all, Bowser is clearly not dead at the end of Super Mario 64 - he simply says "Bwahaha! I'll cower away for a bit", or similar. 'Revived' should not be presumed to mean "from the dead" - Bowser states at the end of SM64 that he needs to go and recover his strength. Well, whatever it is, King Boo clearly pilots it, so if it is Bowser, he's not corpus mentus. Makron1n 15:41, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the question still is "Could King Boo have revived Bowser?", meaning that Bowser needs reviving, and King Boo may or may not have done so. The question still implies that Bowser is dead.--204.169.23.246 20:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't believe that it implies he is dead, merely that he needs reviving in some way - it might be, for example, that his magical abilities are spent. Makron1n 22:56, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reviving could refer to death or a state of coma; but reviving someone because they lost their abilities doesn't make sense. 138.192.30.199 23:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, I quite like the article as is now. The 'Bowser disguise' possibility is included, and the line 'Bowser-like spiritual entity' is a good one (kudos to you if you wrote it, and I imagine you did), since it's likely that this 'Bowser' is a supernatural doppelganger created by King Boo (hollow insides and a clean head-split, but magical abilities aplenty). Peace and love for all, then.Makron1n 00:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowser's Death: Yet Again

message: Shouldn't there be something such as a link about Chamillionaire? King Koopa is a name he goes by I think it would be unjust to not even mention it. When I search wikipedia for king koopa i am redirected to this page. 69.212.19.245 02:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chamillionaire

message: Can it really be said that 'graphical limitations' are what made Koopa bald in the original super mario bros? They could have easily given him hair the same orange color as his skin.
64.122.208.51, the reason is the same reason Mario has a hat on. They couldn't animate the hair moving around. Wikipedian64 11:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hair Graphics 

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message: Where did "King Bowser Koopa" come from? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the discussion above. Apparently if you piece together information from various games (released decades apart), that's his "proper" name. -- Steel 23:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a feeling, but there was always the slim possibility it had a source. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: King Bowser Koopa

message: How do you pronounce Bowser? With "ow" like in "how" or like in "show"? --82.207.191.77 19:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: his is probabally not the best place to ask this but I am quite sure how the proper way to pronounce it. Misread that but it should be pronounced like the ow in how. --67.71.78.161 19:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure all of the games I've played that feature his name being spoken pronounce it "Bauw-zurr". As the others stated, the Bow part rhymes with the word "how". Disaster Kirby 21:08, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronouncing 

message: whats with the image? it's full of contradictory claims - the article calls it new smb's, but the image calls it both mp8's and mp7's. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  image 

message: I asked Nintendo themselves what is Bowser's offical name in America, and they said it is Bowser, not King Bowser. I will be changing the title of the article in like a week.   "THROUGH FIRE, JUSTICE IS SERVED!" 00:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Emailing Nintendo does not qualify as "asking Nintendo themselves". - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's original research, not something anyone else can see for themselves. Please, don't move this article; it's name has been the subject of numerous lengthy discussions. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Funny

message: There was something I noticed.
If Bowser had this weapon since he was a baby...And a Koopa Troopa said they were STILL paying it off...
Then Bowser is either lazy or it's a huge bill.
Do you think we could fit that in somewhere? Angry Sun 14:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koopa Cruiser 

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replies: text: This appears to be fixed. Nihiltres(t.l) 19:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:CartoonBowserSMB3.jpg

message: I removed the category fictional dinosaurs from this article in July. Since I've been a bit busy, I've been unable to continue going through the category as I started back then, so, apologies for the delay. Now, to my point: This edit re-adds the category, saying, "in the context of the movie, he is a fictional dinosaur". Okay. The Koopa disambiguity page refers to them as turtles. I'm now honestly not sure if a single paragraph should let the whole Bowser article be categorised as a fictional dinosaur article, so I'll be leaving him in for now... but suffice to say I'd love to see some input here. -pinkgothic 13:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category: Fictional dinosaurs 

message: I've noticed that Bowser seems to "kidnap" Peach MANY times. I don't have a full list, but it's clearly too many times (SMB1, SMB3, SMW, SM64, SMRPG, Paper Mario, and who knows how many times in between) to be normal. Am I the only one who feels that Peach is deliberately letting herself be kidnapped?
-- DragonAtma
:That's what is hinted but it isn't true.  The plot calls for a Kidnapped Princess.  So the Princess gets kidnapped. Angry Sun 03:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Damsel in distress" plot device.  It's that simple...  ---- Luigifan (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kidnappings... a fraud? 

message: In Japan, he's always been called Koopa. Though, he's called Bowser outside Japan, Koopa is his family name while Bowser is his given name, according to the Nintendo corporations outside Japan. --PJ Pete
Personally, I've always called him King Koopa. I thought that was his original name.(Cappuccino Joe 06:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the original SMB manual he is called Bowser, King of the Koopa. In SMB3's manual his children all have the surname Koopa. However, I cannot recall one instance outside of the awful cartoon series where he is called "Bowser Koopa". He is just Bowser. There are so many little inconsistencies like this in the Mario series that we have no choice but to accept Nintendo's most recent stance - and that is he's called Bowser... not Bowser Koopa. (Fryguy64 23:50, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer "Bowser"... it distinguishes him from his underlings.  ---- Luigifan (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: It is not confirmed if there is such thing as a Koopa Kingdom. Captain Underpants King 19:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't there reference to it in Super Mario RPG, and possibly the Super Mario Bros. instruction manual? I'm not sure though. Makron1n 19:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: In Super Mario RPG, it's known as the "Koopa Troop". 71.195.35.110 06:32, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's heavily implied that Super Mario Bros. 3's "Dark Land" is the Koopa Kingdom.  ---- Luigifan (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koopa Kingdom 

message: What is Bowser?
I read in the original SMB manual that he was the leader of the "Turtle Tribe," so since he leads a group of turtles called the Koopa, and he has his own turtle shell, it seems reasonable to describe him as a turtle with dragon-like qualities (spitting fire).  Cigraphix 21:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spinies are turtles with spikes on their shells too. He's not a mutated anything. He's just a giant turtle covered in spikes. (Fryguy64 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I refer to Bowser's species as "Royal Koopa".  ---- Luigifan (talk) 21:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species 

message: It seems as if a bot has eliminated the article's main picture. This calls for a new one. Which one should we use? I'm guessing a good shot of Bowser in Super Mario Galaxy would be best. --Is this fact...? 11:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a new one but I think it could be better sourced. --Is this fact...? 10:39, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Image 

message: In Super Mario Galaxy, you fight Bowser in a galaxy that you can reach from The Fountain. And when you attack his burning tail he spins away. But did anyone notice how his spikes retract? It's pretty strange a thing to happen if you ask me, but I won't put this info in the article unless someone else wants to. So respond if you want.[[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 21:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: SMG Bowser

message: "Giga Bowser does appear outside of the Smash Bros. series as the final boss in Galaxy"
^^Thats in the article, but its not true.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.177.230 (talk) 05:02, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Giga Bowser - Final Boss in Galaxy? 

message: On both this page and Bowser Jr.'s page, it says Baby Bowser in Yoshi's Island DS is based off Bowser Jr.'s model.  However, I think the Baby Bowser in YIDS looked pretty much exactly like Baby Bowser in the original YI, and neither were particularly similar to Bowser Jr. (and certainly not as similar as Partners In Time Baby Bowser - PiT probably takes place some time after the two Yoshi's Islands, anyway, as all the babies save perhaps Peach seem a little older).
:Compare and contrast, my friend:Left: Baby Bowser in the original Yoshi's Island; Right: Baby Bowser in Yoshi's Island DS- NES Boy 19:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Other thzn the new one being a little brighter, they do look very similar. TJ Spyke 21:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baby Bowser in Yoshi's Island DS 

message: In the instruction manual to Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, it states that "The Koopa King used his dark magic to transform the Mushroom People into bricks and blocks."  While this could mean that the Magikoopas did it, I think that it means that Bowser himself has magical abilities (although not nearly as strong as that of the Magikoopas, especially Kamek or Kammy, Cackletta, or Bowletta.)  He has been seen doing some odd things in various games, like his teleportation in Super Mario 64, so I think Bowser does have magic powers; they're just secondary to his brute strength.  What do you guys think?  ---- Luigifan (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bowser, according to the Super Mario Bros. instruction booklet, is very skilled in dark magic, although this attribute is very rarely (if ever) showcased in later games. This role seems to have been taken by Kammy Koopa. I think this is notable to put into the article, but maybe just a sentance or two. m190049 (talk) 18:37, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magic? 

message: It is said that the mother of these kids are Princess Peach.
Where does this come from? I added the "Citation Needed" tag; I wonder who added this...? Just seems like a rumor. walkingonthesun Say something to me 00:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not true. Bowser Jr. thought that Peach was his mother (although Bowser later told him she wasn't), no canon source has ever said who the mother of the 7 Koopalings are. TJ Spyke 01:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A citation? 

message: Does the Dry Bones-like version of Bowser seen in New Super Mario Bros. have an official name? And if so, what is the source for that name? 138.192.30.189 22:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He doesn't have a name that I'm aware of. He's been referred to as 'Skeletal Bowser' in the New Super Mario Bros. article, but that's really just for descriptive purposes. He's still Bowser, even if he's undead...Makron1n 23:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Undead Bowser

message: Please consider adding this gallery as a list of relevant photos about Bowser RyanTMulligan (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snapshots 

message: I have edited the Appearances section, removing a lot of text as it veered off into spoilers and strategy guide material. If you think I've removed something vital, please restore it but bear in mind that this article is about Bowser, not the Mario games, and we need to stay focused on him and not how to beat him in a game. Ray and jub (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I'd just note that while I don't necessarily disagree with your edits, the section appears quite thin now when compared to other sections of the article, slightly ruining its consistancy. Ace of Jokers (talk) 08:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The Appearances list isn't complete, so hopefully future updates to that will flesh it out. Plus, I'm hoping to put some more info about Bowser in some point, and how he's portrayed in the games etc. I think that part of the article needs to be pretty large, but it must contain the right information. Thanks for the feedback! Ray and jub (talk) 09:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearances

message: :Fictional sportspeople
:Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category suggestions 

message: :An image from Mario Galaxy, either to replace the New SMB image or to go into the article.
:An image of "Dry Bowser".
:An image of "Paper Bowser".
:An image of Bowser and his children (namely the one from SMW's ending).
:An image of Baby Bowser. - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image suggestions 

message: Is this a joke? Should it be removed?
Cpmills (talk) 00:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Signtings 

message: : It wasn't super mario World, their first appearance was in Super Mario Bros. 3. They each were a boss for the first 7 worlds and had their own gun ships. In SMB 3 mario simply defeated them, in Super Mario World Mario killed them all. They havn't had a living role since then, I doubt they could survive being drowned molten magma like their poppa can. 76.112.152.25 (talk) 20:34, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh... they have appeared outside of those two games. Two I can think of from the top of my head are Yoshi's Safari and Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga -- so they haven't been killed off. It would be very unlikely for ANY Mario character to be killed off... Ace of Jokers (talk) 09:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koopaling's First Appearance 

message: Wouldn't it be worth noting that Bowser appeared in Luigi's Mansion at the end of the game, and in the original Sim City as the monster disaster? PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 03:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two appearances not mentioned here 

message: Maybe you could include a reference to the mythical Japanese "kappa" who are turtle-creatures, if these are indeed the inspiration for the video games.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.247.166.103 (talk) 18:26, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We would need a source stating that Kappa's were the inspiration first or at the very least a reliable source mentioning this possibility before we can add anything otherwise it would be Original Research . --67.68.152.88 (talk) 06:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've read that it was confirmed in Prima's official Super Mario Galaxy guide that Bowser/Koopa is based on Kappa. Does anyone have this guide and can confirm this? --Grandy02 (talk) 13:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that "fact" from the Prima guide is not reliable, because the guides of Prima have made several mistakes (e.g. they called Peach and Daisy cousins, Toad and Toadette siblings, and called Mario Party 5 the debut game of the Star Spirits from Paper Mario). It was officially stated by Miyamoto that the name Kuppa (Koopa) comes from the Korean dish of the same name (source), no word about kappa. --Grandy02 (talk) 18:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Koopa/kappa 

message: I've been adding external links to this page, but everytime I come here to check them, they're gone. What's the reason? 9:54 28 March 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.229.109 (talk) 07:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably an accident on my part.  It's a Bowser fan shrine, right? - Gilgamesh (talk) 06:38, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I actually wouldn't mind the link.  I like some kinds of fansites.  But there's a possibility it may not be allowed in an external links section as per WP:FANSITE. - Gilgamesh (talk) 06:42, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:ELNO #11, fansites are not allowed on Wikipedia. Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies). ThemFromSpace 16:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: Why does everyone keep saying Bowser is voiced by Frank Welker ? --4.229.33.62
From what I noticed on IMDB (although I might be in the wrong here) he was the voice of Bowser in New Super Mario Bros. and in Mario Party 5.
Also it says that someone else (albeit Uncredited) was the voice of the character in SSB Brawl. It was also on IMDB and if you click on full cast and crew, scroll to the bottom of the main cast list then scroll a little more, if you see the voice actor next to Bowser's name (hint, he's voiced Ed the Hyena from the Lion King), I'd like to know if it is an actual confirmation. Philipnova798 (talk) 19:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Frank Welker ?

message: While, I believe that Scott Burns has still been voicing Bowser since 2002 (I'm pretty sure that I saw his name in the credits of Mario Strikers Charged, could someone verify this for me?; my disc isn't working; I'm not sure about Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games, either) with Eric Newsome pretty much taking over (almost) every role in 2007 (minus Galaxy, where Bowser was voiced by Kenneth W. James), I did see the mention of one "Kenny James" in the credits for Super Mario Strikers (which was released in 2005). Is that the same person as Bowser's voice in Galaxy?
Also, there might be proof that Eric Newsome is again Bowser in Super Smash Bros. Brawl This is (apparently) the English credits for the Subspace Emissary.  Of course, YouTube links aren't verifiable references, nor is this link a good one (the video was blurry and the cameraman wouldn't stay still). One of the voices on the VA list (that I could make out) was "Eric Newsome". Ring any bells? I'll have to verify the last part when I finally beat Brawl. ChromeWulf ZX (talk) 23:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bowser's VAs? 

message: In the article it says that Bowser is confirmed to appear in SMG2. Now unless some new info came out on the game that I missed, this is incorrect. The only thing that contains Bowser in the trailer is the part where Mario's kicking a snowball around a gigantic ice sculpture of Bowser and that doesn't prove that Bowser will appear (Yoshi had a gigantic wooden sculpture in the image of his head in the original SMG and he didn't appear in the game). So unless we have some info on that could we keep it more speculative? --24.46.117.40 (talk) 21:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he's not confirmed, but it's likely he'll appear. His airships will appear, for example. And I think Miyatamo said something about Bowser capturing Peach by luring her with cake(Although he said it in a joking manner). Plus, if Galaxy 2 is supposed to be sequel. However your right. The article should say something like "Bowser has not yet been confirmed for SMG2, but an ice sculptor of him has been seen as well as his airship fleet. It is unknown if this means he will appear in person, as Miyatamo has not yet stated so." 98.117.158.220 (talk) 06:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The cake thing was about New Super Mario Bros Wii. I don't know what says he will appear, so I have no comment. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:25, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario Galaxy 2? 

message: Who on Earth decided that Bowser Jr. was Bowser's 'worker', rather than son, in spite of his name, the fact that he calls Bowser 'papa', and a million other blatant indicators? Inexplicable... Makron1n 19:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I called a man 'papa' once.  ONCE.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.139.1.68 (talk) 21:00, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowser Jr.

message: The name "King Bowser" is almost never used. It is always just Bowser or King Koopa. Has the name "King Bowser" ever been used in a first-party Mario game? If it has, I sure don't remember. Even if it has, Wikipedia's naming conventions say that articles must use the most common names, and "Bowser" is by far the most common name for the character. "Bowser (Nintendo)" would be a much more logical name for the article. Phediuk 02:23, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Super Mario RPG called him King Bowser. Angry Sun 04:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Super Mario RPG used lots of very unusually translated names. And that's one game out of however many Bowser has appeared in? "Bowser (Nintendo)" does make a lot more sense. (Fryguy64 13:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  When you throw him in Mario 64, Mario's line is "so long King Bowser". -- Gordon Ecker 08:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I just hope all the links are corrected again. I changed a whole lot of them from Bowser (Nintendo) to King Bowser... >_> Hardcore gamer 48 04:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have a suggestion. What about his first and last names together, "Bowser Koopa," as the article title? --DanMat6288 (talk) 02:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He is Bowser.  King of the Koopas.  Like Arthur Pendragon is King of the Britains.  You don't call him "King Britain" You call him "King Arthur".129.139.1.68 (talk) 21:10, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: Some may not be familiar with this but i've already added it ahem... i've added a godzilla issues section about the 'copyright issues' i am taking complaints and comments on it know 71.208.51.60 21:20, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is purely WP:OR, and therefore doesn't belong on wikipedia, so I've removed it. Gscshoyru 21:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: You have not sourced it -- see WP:V and WP:RS. This is original research. Wikipedia should only have sourced, verifiable content. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. And what do you mean "most possible place and most reliable?" Gscshoyru 21:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: "Almost all the way true"?  I'm not really sure what that means...  Anyway, please read WP:RS and WP:OR.  If you can find a notable third party source (read WP:RS!!) that makes this claim, then re-add it. --Jaysweet 21:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godzilla