Talk:Ayyappan

message: The link to Lord Ayyappa's consort 'Poorna' is incorrect. It points to an irrelevant page. Could someone correct please? - 6th July 2017
Cleaned up the article removed duplicate links, added relavency to GOD AYYAPA & Linked 2 Lord Ayyappa Article
Tux the penguin 06:07, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some edits 

message: Its saddening to see the state of this article. No attempt has been made to dig out the real history behind Lor ayyappa and no mentions of buddhism have been made. Even in this world of science and technology all I can see is just the myth which itself has lots of Ridicules in it. I am disappointed. --ചള്ളിയാന്‍ 17:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is misinformation and communist propaganda. Historians like M. G. S. Narayan has said buddhism had never established in Kerala as the communists propagate. 2409:4073:2102:FF9C:E5C0:5885:4DAE:A159 (talk) 11:45, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sad seeing the article

message: There are no restrictions on nationality and religion as far as entry into Sabarimala is concerned.  Only ladies in the age group of 10 and 50 are not allowed beyond pampa river  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.49.250 (talk) 03:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  no distinction of caste or religion in determining who can enter it? 

message: The website says "This reference article is mainly selected from the English Wikipedia with only minor checks and changes (see www.wikipedia.org for details of authors and sources) and is available under the GNU Free Documentation License. See also our Disclaimer." Wikipedia has not copied the article, the site has copied wikipedia. --Redtigerxyz  Talk  05:10, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issue 

message: I had uploaded a pic of Ayyyappan(AYYAPPAN.jpg), but i couldnt work it out on this page. Help solicited.
Arjun024 (talk) 08:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of Ayyappan 

message: The article says that Ayyappan and Ayyanar are the same and that the Tamils call Ayyappan as Ayyanar. To the best of my knowledge this is incorrect. I'm a Tamil. Ayyappan is identified as the son of Shiva and Vishnu and is a totally different god, whilst Ayyanar is a rural god of protection. Each village has its own version of Ayyanar alias Muneeswarar alias Karuppsamy etc. These gods of protection are manifestations of Shiva. This is apparent from the weapons that these gods have. Most have Trishuls, along with huge swords or long sickles. Moreover, some of these gods are shown with a third eye(iconic of Shiva) and have three horizontal lines of holy hash decorating their foreheads(another symbol of Shiva). Hence I am removing the statement  
Mr.Falcon (talk) 16:47, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayyappan / Ayyanaar distinction 

message: Please stop vandalism  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.131.60 (talk) 12:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: What a comedy Ayyappan trained in Cheerappanchira family?

message: IP Editor 218.186.16.228 asserts are you the tantri? Horse is for Sastha, not for Ayyappa. Ayyappa is an incarnation of Sastha.  and reverts my edit.
I am not thanthri. Thazhamon family are the thanthris. Thanthri Kantararu Rajeevaru has specifically clarified that Horse is the mount of Lord Ayyappa, the presiding deity of Sabarimala. It came in the Sabaramala supplement of MAthrubhumi.
The proof is visible to anyone visiting the temple. As per the thanthra rules, the idol on the top of the flagpole is the mount of the deity. The horse is the idol on top of the flagpole. That is paraphrasing Sri Rajeevaru. In the matter of temples, the word of the thanthri is final.
Also, remember the phrases thuraga vaahanam and vaaji vaahanam in harivaraasanam
DileepKS(talk) 02:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the idea of the tiger as a mount (as mentioned in the infobox) comes from the story of Ayyappan coming to his mother on the tigress. User:DileepKS69, do you have any online or book sources for this information? Prad2609 (talk) 05:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mount of Lord Ayyappa 

message: I would like to propose the removal of sections: Victory, Prasadam, Pilgrimage, Offerings, The Austerities and The Guru from this article or consider moving them or merging them with the article on Sabarimala. They do not seem to be necessary as part of an article on Ayyappan. Prad2609 (talk) 06:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it has been two weeks since I posted this note and since I see no opposition, I have deleted the sections mentioned above. Please feel free to revert if there is an opposite view. Prad2609 (talk) 17:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed removal of sections or merging with another article 

message: The statement<Recent research has led researchers to believe that the chant of Swamiye Saranam Ayyappa to be an adaptation of Buddham Sharanam Gachhami and also claim that the idol of Ayyappa has great similarity to Buddhist idols. Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]
The link providing this statement has not provided any hard facts. Only saying recent research. Research by whom?
Ayyappa has nothing to do with Buddhism.
Also the statement <Hence, they consider him to be an incarnation of the Buddha[1]> is not mentioned in same article. 
This is only an opinion and should be removed to prevent confusion,
because...Buddha Avatara was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. 
Please provide references to where Buddha himself had incarnations. I don't believe it works that way.
Hanumanta (talk) 22:51, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Poorna and Pushkala are wives of DharmaShasta and not Ayyappa. Ayyappa is the incarnation of Dharmashastha and is a bachelor. Anish Viswa   03:06, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayyappa as an incarnation of Buddha? 

message: No one ever mention sources of Ayyappa story from puarana. Is these stories are purely local?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.168.79.1 (talk) 12:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki article didn't mention any purana that telling about Ayyappa Story 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have made some improvements to the article, please see if they are good. See revision before here and the current revision and please suggest some improvements. You are the user who primarily knows a lot about reliable sources in Hinduism, hence asking. Thanks, 86.97.129.80 (talk) 08:03, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: One large section is unsourced. Either we should add WP:RS that verifies the content, or just delete the section/paras. I have tagged it for now. I will review other contributions later, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, this is the same person as above, my ip address changed. I have deleted the unsourced facts and replaced it with sourced content. Please check and see if its ok when you have time, thanks. 2.51.18.247 (talk) 15:01, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. The New Directions Publishing is not a good source, the text cites a private letter in footnote 9 rather than a verifiable primary or secondary source. The claim needs a better source. I am tagging that sentence, though leaving it in for now. The second source you added, the Younger's book published by Oxford Univ Press is good and WP:RS. The summary in the history section needs some copyediting. Your contributions are welcome, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added another source. Please check if reliable, 2.51.18.247 (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again. I checked. The author of the new source writes about magic / natural potions / ethnic beliefs about herbs and foods. Not appropriate for this or other related articles. I have updated the section with more sources. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

text: Thanks, is the section "popular culture" really necessary ? I don't see similar sections in articles of Hindu deities such as Vishnu or Krishna. 2.51.18.247 (talk) 17:06, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessary, but if something is notable and sourced it may be better to include that in for article stability. Almost all of it is unsourced, and therefore can be deleted. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

text: Yes. It is published by Syracuse University Press, Eliza Kent is a professor specializing on South Asian religions and religious pluralism. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:20, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

text: iUniverse publications are WP:SPS, so not a reliable source. The other one is fine. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

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message: Hello there Ms! Is it ok with you to keep an eye on this page for the next few days? The current Sabarimala issue has let to lot of edits here, often including addition of unsourced information, edit-warring and removal of sourced content. Your help is appreciated :) 2.51.190.138 (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Recent edits 

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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I was trying to see why we have multiple page histories for this subject, and here is the timeline:
* 2002 Oct 07: user TUF-KAT created Ayyappan
* 2004 Dec 27: user CNRNair created Lord Ayyappa
* 2005 Oct 06: user Kjrajesh merged Ayyappan into Lord Ayyappa
* 2005 Dec 01: Pamri moved Lord Ayyappa to Ayyappa
* 2006 May 14: user Grammatical error Cut-and-pasted Ayyappa into Ayyappan (which was a redirect)
* 2017 Sep 14: there was a failed proposal to move Ayyappan back to Ayyappa
The history from Dec 2004-May 2006 is at Ayyappa.  Jay (Talk) 19:04, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple page histories 

message: If this legend came about in 1st and 3rd century, how do we relate it to Muslim and Islam which started around 642 to 750 AD. Both started on two different time line. Or there is a big mix up.
Point to be thought of......... 49.207.209.123 (talk) 18:48, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st and 3 rd century. 

message: The article prior to my edit shortly before writing this said in the lead that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan, and linked it to three sources. None of those sources say exactly that Muslims in Kerala honour Ayyappan; what they do say is that Hindus in Kerala honour Vavar Swamy, a Muslim character found in the legends of Ayyappan. Indielov (talk) 10:06, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Vavar swamy 

message: This kind of tradition of ‘woman entering’ can also be seen in some orthodox churches. Rowei99 (talk) 08:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved Content