Talk:Zürich

message: In the Name section of the article, we currently read, "In English, the name used to be written as Zurich, without the umlaut. Even so, standard English practice for German names is to either preserve the umlaut or replace it with the base letter followed by e (i.e. Zuerich)." This assertion is incorrect on two counts:
1. The default English spelling of the city is still Zurich with no umlaut, as evidenced by Google's counting: Zürich shows 135,000,000 results, while Zurich shows 488,000,000 results. 
2. Standard English practice for German names is NOT "to either preserve the umlaut or replace it with the base letter followed by e". Dusseldorf is the normal English version of Düsseldorf, just as Zurich is normal English for Zürich. --Michael Bateman (talk) 21:05, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree with you. Zurich is clearly still predominantly spelled "Zurich" in English. I'd love to have a re-vote on moving this article (and all the rest with Zurich in the name) back to "Zurich". What do you think? — tooki (talk) 17:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Agreed, Swiss people spell it "Zürich" and pronounce it [ˈtsyːrɪç] if they're speaking German, but the spell it "Zurich" and pronounce it [zyʁik] if they're speaking French. No one would argue that "Zürich" is the proper spelling the French, "Zurich" is just the French language name. "Zurich" in English is loaned from French and the English pronunciation /ˈzjʊərɪk/ is an approximation of the French pronunciation, with a velar plosive at the end. Arguing that be should use the German spelling makes no sense unless you're also arguing that we should use the German pronunciation. Queewe (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Before you do. Spekkios, please read through all of the move discussions linked in the header right above this section, and browse through the archives for other discussions not linked. — JohnFromPinckney (talk / edits) 21:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Just nodding towards the lengthy discussion from a few years ago you'll find below this post. People have talked their mouths raw about this, and it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Trigaranus (talk) 20:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Except for Wikipedia, I never see it spelled any way except Zurich. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. It remains mind-boggling to me, as a native English speaker living in Zurich, that a) this was ever up for debate, b) the wrong side won, and c) that we can’t get it fixed. In real-world practice, there is absolutely no question that the no-umlaut version is what is normally used in English. — tooki (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Two users, ORT5000 and Mission Q8, are edit warring to push a highly dubious claim based on an obviously unsuitable source. Despite several users having pointed out that the source fails WP:RS and the claim is unsupported, the users keep pushing it. I've warned both users, and will report any further policy violation by either of them. Jeppiz (talk) 10:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reported them both (obviously the same editor) at ANI. Seasider53 (talk) 10:26, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disruptive editing by ORT5000 and Mission Q8 

message: Hello,
It has been established in the numerous move discussions that the spelling "Zurich" is also used in English, some say "traditionally", others say "more commonly".
The alternative spelling was removed from the lead by an unregistered editor in February 2020 although the two spellings had been present in the lead since 2005. You could argue that "Zuerich" should be present as well, but looking at the Ngram results here, "Zurich" is more widely used.
Like Bern, I think both spellings should be present in the lead as their absence seems to confuse some editors: .
If you need citations, there's a long list here compiled by User:MadGeographer.
Thanks. Thibaut (talk) 17:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling without umlauts removed from lead 

message: :Zürich →  – Zurich appears to be the name most commonly used in English-language sources, including by the city itself, Zurich Airport, Swiss Railways, airline Swiss, and Zurich local transport newtork. I agree that there are some English-language sources that spell it Zürich, but they are either those that consistently prefer localised spelling (Düsseldorf, Łódź, or Hồ Chí Minh City; BBC and Britannica often fall here), or those that follow Wikipedia. Yet, non-umlauted spelling, even if not universal, appears to be the English norm. — kashmīrī TALK 06:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 June 2024