Talk:Dacha

message: This article has elements of anti-Russian Propaganda. Surely this is due to a good brainwashed European citizen. In reality, the Russian Dacha - is primarily a country estate of urban residents to relax in the lap of nature, not the source of vegetables, even during the Soviet era. Both now and in the days of the Soviet Union grew vegetables in the dacha only as a hobby. Yes, grow vegetables, and who does not like to grow something with your own hands and then eat this eco-friendly product? )) In Europe is becoming fashionable environmentally-friendly food, and in Russia for 60 years, many urban residents in the summer as a hobby grow their Eco-friendly products. 
Good submit bad - it is a tool of anti-Russian propaganda.
Do not have a bath? But there is a summer shower in all dacha.  Everything is there. Somewhere there is a banya - a Russian tradition.
swimming, walking, picnicking, teens learn about each other. Sunsets, sunrises. Romance. 
Every weekend in the spring, summer, early fall. Some spend the dacha and winter days. (vegetables grown?))) Never had a dacha alternative resort. The Soviet people each year could well go to the sea, the mountains or the sanatorium, but dacha - is another. It's a way of life.It's part of everyday Russian life
The article illustrates well the idea of ​​the European inhabitant of Russia as a country of poor people and the hard life. But in reality, if objectively, Russia - a country where 80% residents of apartment buildings have a country estate, where they were having a great time in the summer days, and someone and winter days. Which country is "rich Europe" 80% of the residents of apartment buildings have a rustic land with a house? ))) Russians is actually quite wealthy people, but he does not realize it,it is not surprising that the European people under the influence of an anti-Russian propaganda consciously or unconsciously trying to discredit the Russian life.
Some people have an axe to grind or are paid to spread some kind of propaganda. A women in the former East Germany said to me in 1993: "Not everything under the old system was bad." We should take this with a grain of salt. Pasternak's dacha was the family dacha which he inherited. His father had been the Director of the art school, so there was the possibility for a little wealth. Two of the Pasternak siblings fled after the revolution to Britain and/or America but Boris Pasternak did not want the family to lose the dacha so he stayed. So I have read - appreciated the picture. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:B427:80FC:E382:591E (talk) 07:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Article with a large proportion of propaganda against the Soviet Union and Russia. The author can inadvertently writes, but the impact it obviously euro propaganda

message: As said above, another synonym of dacha is the fazenda. But I'd like to add one more thing: приусадебное хозяйство, pri'usadebnoye khozyajstvo, better translation is near-manor farm - as contrasting for collective farms. There was the soviet magazine with such name.
And... I think, it's need to say about confrontation (or may be... local war) between 'dachniks' and villagers. In most cases villagers are hate them (first of all because of... envy)
:pri'usadebnoye khozyajstvo is not a dacha. It's small private farm (some rows of vegetables, chickens, several goats, sheep, maybe cow) ownen by villagers. This term is sometimes associated with dachas only because the mentioned magazine (with articles about e. g. beekeeping) is an only (and very popular by this cause) source of information on agriculture for dacniks.--213.247.213.207 16:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some more additions need 

message: This page has to be corrected to become more neutral. At this point, this article uses false, and/or uncited information to overestimate the poverty in Russia.
Here are some examples that I found:
*Most dachas are ill-equipped, having no bathroom facilities and indoor plumbing systems.
** That's right though. Saunas are not that widespread yet. 2.60.194.99 (talk) 06:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: This article has many false and confusing statements. Here are some:
*The word sotka (Russian: сотка) is commonly used to express the size of a lot on which dacha is built.
*The dacha plots (usually not more than 600 m²) are too small to grow the needed amount of vegetables.
*During summer, and especially the planting and the harvest seasons, elektrichkas are often so filled with dachniks that it becomes hard to breathe inside the cars and even the cars' sliding doors can hardly be closed.
Some of these statements also disturb the neutrality of this article.
Please correct those statements. --GoOdCoNtEnT 21:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am talking about how funny itis you find everyday Russian life of most Russian population unbelievable. Believe me, the article is all truth (although not whole truth). But I agree it is bad that the article is unreferenced. `'mikka (t) 18:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am Russian and I know a lot about the Russian life. However, some things are very exaggarated. The dacha plots aren't that small, many dachas do have bathroom facilities (although some rural ones do not), Russians prefer to grow vegetables as a hobby or because its cheaper rather because of the vegetables in the stores are of bad quality. Also, many Russians own tractors to plow a large portion of land. And wait, first the author said that "Russian dachas are very small" then he says that "Russians have to manually plow a huge piece of land."  --GoOdCoNtEnT 00:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you to try and manually plow 600sq.m. You may start from 50 sq.m. `'mikka (t) 22:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's wrong? It's hard, but doable. I've personally performed this excercise several times (50..200 sq.m.) and still alive. --jno 07:26, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you imagine a real tractor operating on 600m2? While 400..600m2 is a normal size of soviet-times dacha lot (and, hence, nowaday too!). Well, motorized tools are becoming more common last years. But if you look outside the Moscow region, you may see even simpler dachas (of "saray" type) on manually handled land. Plus, "elektrichka" is often better than any car - just because of traffic jams in weekends. And I really cannot realize how these statements can disturb the neutrality... --jno 12:50, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In some places of rural Russia, land is very cheap so people have very big areas for dachas. I am not arguing that elektrickas are not used; they are good method of transporation. However, I disagree that they are that crowded up. Sometimes, you have to stand instead of sit, but they tend to clear up fast. Then, the word sotka is used incorrectly in the context of this article. --GoOdCoNtEnT 02:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there were places with cheap land (relative to the income of those population), and some people could got a big pices of land (and even more could take some land just illegaly - quite common practice). I have personal experience of using elektrichka for 8 years (living in suburbs). I was lucky enough to live near depot and being able to get to an empty train. But I'd insist on the level of filling of that trains (they are not all electrically driven, btw) in peak time! Sometimes people was unable even to get out of the train at the stop they need... Of course, the "fill level" depends on the season (summer is the worst time), day of week (weekend is "peak time"), time of day (morning and evening are obviously "peak time" too). The word "sotka" is used to measure dacha size (I cannot estimate its relevancy). --jno 11:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  False and confusing 

message: Conflicts sometimes exist between villagers and dachnikis
:Yes, they do. Just like conflicts between habitants of two neibour villages. Or between villagers and towners. Or whatever else... I aint sure we need this statement here. --jno 14:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they do. But they are still more frequent between temporary and permanent residents. The villagers believe that the dachnikis are "rich urban folk" and frequently dislike them for it. --GoOdCoNtEnT 15:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. But I still not sure to list this condition in the article. This does not directly relate to "dacha" itself. Moreover, in case of "pure dacha village" (which is the rule!), there are just no villagers to conflict :-) --jno 16:29, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Such conflicts are hardly surprising. Just look at the controversy over "second home" ownership in some English villages ! 213.40.111.40 (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Never heard of that ever hapenning...unless a village consists of a couple of houses. Totally unsupported claim. 75.3.27.110 16:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it happens. Smaller villages have their residents either die and emigrate, and dachnikis buy the no-longer occupated houses from their relatives. The village from where my ancestors were from is now 90%+ seasonal residents. --GoOdCoNtEnT 17:08, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

text: BTW, there are reversal processes too: some old, well established dasha settelments are now occupied all over the year. Partly, at least. --jno 07:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You win this debate. Do the corrections as you wish. --GoOdCoNtEnT 15:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done :-) --jno 08:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicts? 

message: That bit about the Dacha Band, does it really belong where it occurs? it really breaks the flow of the history section to have what appears to be a promo blurb for a not-so-well-known band appear. It doesn't fit in the place it appears, and, to be honest, seems to be given an exceptional prominence for what appears to me to be a relatively trivial detail. (Sorry if the Dacha Band is very well known to everyone but me and I am missing the historical import of this statement.)
128.164.107.161 17:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree that the Dacha Band paragraph and link is clearly an example of (self-)promotion/advertising — a violation of the WP:NOT#SOAPBOX policy. Based on article history it looks like it was first introduced 9 April 2007 by User:Ambanbury whose sole contributions seem to revolve around the very same subject. I'm afraid, based on these findings I find myself compelled to remove the fragment in question. --jibun≈παντα ρει≈ (keskustele!) 04:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Placement 

message: A summer cottage = huvila of wealthy Petarers (St.Petersburgers / Pietarilaiset). Name was formed combining words Huvi (fun) and Villa (Casa) = Huvila. Most famous of datsha societies were formed in Finland north of Petar / Pietari after 1871 when SVR / FSJ railway from St.Petersburg - Riihimäki (- Helsinki) line was completed. When departured out of Finland Station in Viipurin puoli (Viborska Pole, Viborska Vorota, Vyborskij / Wiburg (Forstadt) of St.Petersburg the datsha societies started after Parkkala (Pargalovo), all the stations to Valkeasaari were huvilayhdyskunta, summer cottage societies. But the best ones were of course those located "abroad" ie. inside the territory of The Grand Duchy of Finland. Why "abroad"? Just because internal passport were needed to cross the "border" at Valkeasaari / Beloostrov station. Here the Petarers had to turn their watches to Chudohoi Time (Finskij Vrjemja) which run in Gelsingfors (Gelsingphors) / Helsingfors / Helsinki time, offically 21 minutes, but in practice 20 minutes, behind Petar time. When the train crossed the Siestarjoki (Rajajoki) bridge the Russians were "abroad" where people spoked totally different language and were not Russians. Even rouble was changed to local markka. (One gold mark was quarter of of one gold rouble, Tshervonetsi, equal to ten paper roubles). Of course roubles were accepted by local Karelian traders, but they added 10 per cent fee on it to cover their expensies. Most famous were Terijoki (Teri river, originated from Kuola Lapplandishe / Kola Lapporskij name Teri for Ranta / Beach) and its smaller copies Kellomäki (Bellhill) and Kuokkala (Mattockla) before church village Terijoki. Here the St.Petersburg nobelity celebrated their summers with parties and even dancings (banketti) at local yacht club (jahti klubi) or their own large datshas. They had their own segelbåt / purjevene / sail boat anchored in the yacht club small harbour. Later in 1891 - 1914 these datsha societies spread along the railway line toward Viipuri. Typical examples being Lounatjoki (South-Western River) and Kanneljärvi (Zitralake). Even Alexander III enjoyed mostly staying in Finland. He preferred his "Fisherman Cottage" at Langinkoski on the left bank of Kymijoki. The Tsar of all Russians returned suddenly to friendly neighbourgh of the locals fishing lax with them from the river. He felt to be in secure hands and conditions without any threats by anarkists  bombs etc for his family. Many villas were named as Villa Rosa, Villa Angel, Villa Fun, Villa Doma, Villa Monrepos etc. One of the famoust ones was Räpinin Huvila at Kuokkala called simply Räpinilä by the locals who worked during summer times as servants, housekeepers, and women in citchen of noble huvilas. The nobles did not spoke Russian at all in normal conditions. They spoke French with their children and when meeting others of equal class. A detail, simply not known by young Russian historians. This type of summer life combining fun and summer living was the Datsha live and has not repeated in Russia since summer 1914. After October Revolution came small datshas where people gardened vegetables to increase their rationed foodstuff. But in Finnish side the original idea of original summer huvila is still living strong with nearly million of those, from small own summer cottage to near summer palatsi (Dvor / Hof) depending how much people have money to spend in their summer living in their second home outside cities and towns. One good example of real palatsi is Pietarhovi / Peterhof (Petergof / Petrodvorest) at Kaarosta in Ingermanland (Inkerinmaa) side on south side of Gulf of Finland (Suomenlahti), in Russian, Finskij Zaliv. Usually in the days before automobiles fathers went in the morning by their kiesis (rattailla), driven by local ajuri (horsedriver) to nearest railway station and by train to Petar. As an interesting detail of those days it may be worth of mentioning here that Crown Servants worked in their working places during winter time from 10 am to 2 pm, during summer time the opening hours in Crown Departments was limited to 10 am. - 1.00 pm from May 15 to September 31. Those who worked for the Crown took took, for example at Kuokkala, the Petar bound 7.44 am local train which arrived to Finlandija Voksal at 9.04 am. When completed their daily work in state officies or kontores and returned back to datsha in 3.40 pm local train to arrive to Kuokkala at 4.57 pm. They arrived back to their Dachas just in time to change clothes for dinner. The next to arrive to Kuokkala at 8.17. pm local on 7.06 pm out from Petar, theese loyal Crown Servants just arrived on evening hours to ready catered dinner table, served to the family by local (part time) servants who earned money of their summer jobs. After the good dinner they entered to "veranta" (Russian version of katettu parvi or uloke) meaning of covered balcony fitted with large glass windows, usually performing the view to West to the Gulf of Finland. The word veranta comes from Karelian dialect veen ranta (water shore) meaning view to the Terijoki famous sand beach.  There the patron of the house lighted a good imported Cuban Havanna Cigar (sikaari) with class of French Gognac (konjakki) or Gruzy or Armenian Armanjak (armanjakki) from Caucasus and enjoyed to see the sun go down in Suomenlahti. One have to remember that out of 1.500.000 inhabitants in Petar 150.000 in 1914 were Finns, Ingermanlanders, and Estonians forming the largest non Russian minority in the City. And the adminstrave borders were quite different than they are today. There lived also Tatars (with Russificated names), Germans (published two daily newspapers in German language), French, Italians, Swedes, Englishmen (mostly living in Vassili Island). All had their own small kolonnij, but they owned datshas as well as the wealthy Russian Petares.
Sotka (Narsku) is the Finnish name of Aythya faligula. Thus, some datshas were called Sotkala, Narskula connected with shotgun hunting of these birds. Just couple of days ago quarter million shotguns were directed to sky in Finland. The hunting season had just begun in August in huvilas (datshas).
Thn Dacha post 1917 in Soviet Union was a mixture of Siirtolapuutarha and Kesähuvila. Kolonnij Garden. This idea started by private industrialists to provide for their employers in co-operation with City Adminstration a small 500 m2 piece of land for rent also to provide for the Working Class similar possibility to enjoy they summers in the own rented piece of garden. The City Adminstration limited the size of these Garden Cottages to 28 - 35 m2, and they were not allowed to be used in all around year bases. Only during "summer" period from First of April to the Last of October. This practice spread to all industrialized Russian towns usually on the edge of 25 versts of town center. Located so that they were easily reached after days work on Saturday and returning on Sunday evening to their rent "kasarma" in the City, this especially after founding large industrial enterprises like Nevskij, Putilov, Admiralty Shipyard etc. on the southern part of Petar below the Neevaa (Neva) River. The workers came mainly from Central Russia what ever that means in 1890 - 1914.
The place where I live was originally formed from old huvila society with large huvilas up to 300 m2 just seven km out of the City Center located nearby local railway station (walking distance). This (Summer) Villa Society dates from end of 1800 and early 1900s, but before the World War One. When taking my usual evening walk on the paths around, I can see reminiscencies of that period of Imperial Russia. The paths follows the Outern Fortress Belt, built by Imperial Russian Army in 1913 - 1916. There one can see remnats of kasemattis for field guns, exploded in cliffs, ammuniation magazines, and even the digged places with stone feets of wooden Barracks where the Chinese ie. Mantshu (Manchu) workers who built with locals these fortificated positions lived. The Manchus came from Harbin area in Manchuria.
There were even small Manchu societies in Petar and Moskova before 1914. Petar did not have Chinese Quarter, but Moskova did having it, as reminiscence of Mongol period of 1200´s. It is said that these Chinese traders bought the Gardening into Russia with their summer paviljogs and summer houses in paviljongs. So told my grand father, a third generation Finnish Petarer (born there in 1893), to me.
I have thought that jealously is the main Finno Ugrian sickness taking even "fishes out of water" but now I feel that this sickness is also common in Slavonic brotherhood when reading the part of Elité, the new generation of New Rich Russian people, who can afford to them some luxury after the Soviet era. Why not mention also that most of the Newricheres dvors are located in Karjalan Kannas (Karelskij Perjeshjeek), the area which belonged to Finland up to 1940 and 1941 - 1944. It is here where they have built their real summer houses which resembes new Fortresses (Kreposts) with all the security systems in the area. They follow just the historical path of Summer Villas in the area. But, that is not enough, when occupied in the newist Russian "land big deal" the best places in the Perekop, they next turner their attention again to Finland and bought numerous large summer houses from Saimaa lake area. Everyone in Finland know why they did so. But then they turned their attention toward Riviera to be equal with international high societies and then to Caribbean. After these "Newricher Class" followed the newly born Middle Class from Petar and Moskova which bought from Finland houses where they can live all a round the year in already built places. This development is still going on with even enlargening trend. They have there their new dachas in Finnish kesähuvilayhdyskunta, surrounded by their Finnish neighbourgs, and they can be sure they do not need any massive security systems to surround their property. The richest man in property in Republic of Finland and also the citizen of Finland is not Finnish but non - Russian Russian from Russian Federation who lives in Switzerland but have his summer house at Taipalsaari where he meets his "Russian" business partners who fly in Lappenranta with their private jets. The second richest man is a Finnish Jew who lives in London but who has his "summer cottage" in Finland etc. Such are the new Dacha owners.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.201.128 (talk) 21:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dacha / Datsha

message: If one wants to make eyewitnesser´s inside look and detailed information of Uncle Joe´s or Father Sunshine´s luxury summer residence, called Dacha, in Gagra in Abhasia (Abkhasia) one must read the one and only known published describtion of it and how the Communist Elité spend their time in nearby state owned Guest Dachas by Arvo Poika Tuominen; Kremlin Kellot (Helsinki 1957). But unfortunately this book is never been transliterated in Russian language. Quite a story of Elité living in Soviet Union in 1931 - 1939. Arvo Poika (Son) Tuominen visited often there due his high rank position in the Communist Elité, only equaled by Otto Ville Kuusinen in hierachy of survived notable Finnish Communists in Soviet Russia / Soviet Union.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.171.7 (talk) 16:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stalin´s Dacha at Gagra

message: Given that many Soviet and Eastern bloc cities experienced chronic housing shortages during the much of the communist era why did the authorities tolerate the widespread "ownership" of second homes ? While there may have been some advantages (from the authorities point of view) in having citizens spending much of their free time outside the cities rather than becoming involved in "undesirable" political activities surely it was all a tad "bourgeois" 213.40.111.40 (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Housing shortage in cities hardly could be solved by dacha ban. Also, Soviet power hardly ever fought against people's prosperity itself - at least not such a great wealth as a common dacha is - it just banned most private business and imported goods and maybe could not supply prosperity for everyone. And I don't think that dachas interferred undesired political activity - instead of such desired political activity as subbotniks and May Day demonstrations people could talk on politics where they hardly coud be heared. KonstKaras (talk) 08:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There was no residential shortage in rural area. One could easily exchange a room in a shared flat in central Moscow on a stand-alone house in a village some 30-50 km from the city.--Dojarca (talk) 03:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why were they allowed ?

message: Yesterday Altenmann  who deleted lots of useful information in Wikipedia, attacked this article by inserting enormous quantity of  tags and deleting interesting information.  The guy is not adequate and acts like very young person.
His revision#565206666 I have reverted, but be ready to protect your content in future. 
Use "Undo" links in "View hisory page". 
Vadim Kiev (talk) 08:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like Altenmann did exactly what he was supposed to, AND what the 3O above suggested.  Undoing those edits would therefore be inappropriate (✉→BWilkins←✎) 15:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article have been attaked by [[User:Altenmann|Altenmann]]. Protect your content. 

message: In which country and when? As a resident of Russia I can certify that it is utterly false with respect to Russian Federation and late USSR. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  25 m² of living area and only one storey 

message: I have edited the following paragraph:
:Dachas are very common in Russia, and are also widespread in most parts of the former Soviet Union and in some countries of the former Eastern Bloc. Surveys in 1993-1994 suggested that about 25% of Russian families living in large cities had dachas.[5] Most dachas are in colonies of dachas and garden plots near large cities. These clusters have existed since the Soviet era, and consist of numerous small, typically 600 square metres (0.15 acres), land plots.[6][7] They were initially intended only as recreation getaways of city dwellers and for the purpose of growing small gardens for food.[8]
I provided a reference and explanatory note for the typical size of a Soviet-era dacha, and removed spurious tags asking how common dachas are (answered in the very next sentence), and who originally intended the dachas for the stated purposes (the original builders, obviously).  For some unexplained reason, my edits were immediately reverted by User:JesseRafe, who (based on his own words) seems to have some sort of grudge against me, and has been engaged in an edit war to prevent my cleaning up superfluous templates on a different article.  If anyone has substantive objections to this edit let them discuss them here, not blindly revert and expect their reversions to stick.   -- 76.15.128.174 (talk) 14:32, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There being no objection in more than two days, nor any explanation for why the content I added is unacceptable, I have restored it.  Any objection should be made here and discussed before reverting.  -- 76.15.128.174 (talk) 03:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  And, of course, it was reverted within one minute, by the same disruptive editor, who has still not deigned to express any actual opinion on the matter.  -- 76.15.128.174 (talk) 13:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: 1, be civil. 2, assume good faith. 3, stop name-calling and harassing me. 4, other editors have reverted you, because you're wrong. 5, please quantify the use of the words "very common" -- as opposed to what? By what measure? If you can't, then don't remove that tag. 6, cite their size, but original research and synthesis like that BS about a magazine blah blah blah doesn't count. 7, intended by WHOM? The builders? Ok, then who are the builders? It needs clarification, stop removing tags all over the encyclopedia just because you don't understand them. 8, stop effin' tagging me, it's beyond the pale of appropriate and borderline harassment. JesseRafe (talk) 14:06, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are the one who is being uncivil and assuming bad faith -- you're the one who decided I'm on some sort of crusade, and went searching through my edit history to revert me.  "Very common" is quantified in the very next sentence.  "Surveys in 1993-1994 suggested that about 25% of Russian families living in large cities had dachas."  That's how common.  The magazine title is a reference showing that this is the typical size.  Who are the builders?!  Are you serious?  All the various people who built them, of course.  What do you want, their names?!  The point is that the sentence is perfectly clear, everyone who reads it immediately understands it, therefore the tag is inappropriate.   And if you're complaining about the ANI-notice tag I left on your talk page, it's not just appropriate, it's required whenever starting a discussion on ANI.  I had no choice in the matter, so you have no business complaining about it. -- 76.15.128.174 (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity, size, and original purpose of dachas. 

message: As noted above, this article is poorly referenced. I thought I could easily fix it, but have been stymied. I'm pasting in some references that I can't interpret.
*Science Direct shows area in three specific locations varies from 0.002 - 0.015 hectarea. (But they don't use a decimal point.)
*John Selwood reported, on p. , "In addition, there are three extensive areas where people can obtain ‘field lands’ of about three hectares in area per person," and "Conversely, town (suburban) plots of up to 10 sotok in area can be purchased, . . ." and ". . .with the larger parcel containing five sotok and the smaller has just four. . ."
:I got bogged down in sotok.
Referencing this article should be straightforward and easy, but I haven't found it so, and apparently other Wikipedians over the years have been as stumped as I am.
I came to this article when my husband was discussing Russia with me, and quoted a personal friend, an agricultural agent, who was sent to Russia some 20 years ago to study and support their agriculture. He said dachas were about 5 acres in size. I didn't think they were nearly so big. But now I just don't know. YoPienso (talk) 00:42, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is probably not "acres" but "ares": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hectare#Are which is the same as "sotka" meaning one hundred square meters. Typical lot size is 6 ares or "шесть соток" or 600m2. Acre is about 40 times as large as sotka, so typical 6 sotok is about 0.1482 acres. 2403:6200:8810:56C:6823:32C8:76DC:58D1 (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area of a dacha