Talk:Ontario Highway 11

message: *Latchford Bridge failure 
*Commitment to four lane Huntsville to North Bay in 7 years, list of projects 
*Expansion east of Thunder Bay 
*Completed section Trout Creek to South River, October 29, 2004 
-- ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 14:23, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: *Hodder Avenue to east of Highway 527 (3.8 km)
**$42 million contract awarded to Teranorth Construction announced spring 2009, construction began in August 2010.
**Westbound lanes opened weekend of August 6/7, 2011.
**Completed August 17, 2012.
*East of Highway 527 to Mackenzie River (13 km)
**$46 million contract to Aecon Construction announced April 2010. Construction began later that year.
**Completed week of September 29, 2014.
*Mackenzie River to Birch Beach Road (13.4 km)
**Completed in July 2013.
*Birch Beach Road to Highway 587/Pass Lake (6.6 km)
**$32.7 million contract awarded to Teranorth Construction announced June 10, 2015.
**Construction began October 2015.
**Completed September 1, 2017.
*Highway 587/Pass Lake to Pearl Lake (14.4 km)
**$107 million contract awarded to Teranorth Construction announced April 9, 2022. Construction to start in fall. To be completed in 2026.
*Pearl Lake to Mouinette (7.6 km)
**In detailed design phase.
*Mouinette to Dorion (8.6 km)
**$71 million contract awarded to Teranorth Construction announced December 8, 2020. Construction started end of November 2020. To be completed in September 2023.
**4.5 km on new alignment, remaining 4.1 kilometres are twinning of the existing highway.
**4 km of eastbound lanes opened from Ouimet Canyon Road to Superior Shores Road on July 11, 2022, remainder of eastbound lanes from Ouimet Canyon Road to Dorion Loop Road to open in fall, westbound lane of whole 8.6 km section from Mouimette to Dorion to open September 2023.
*Dorion to east junction of Highway 582 (6.5 km)
**In detailed design phase.
*Highway 582 to Coughlin Road (6.5 km)
**In detailed design phase.
*Coughlin Road to Red Rock Road No 9 (5 km)
**In detailed design phase.
*Red Rock Rd No. 9 to Stillwater Creek (10.1 km)
**$84.8 million contract awarded to Teranorth Construction announced June 10, 2015.
**Construction began June 2015.
**Completed in September 2019.
*Stillwater Creek to First Street (4.2)
**In detailed design phase.
*Nipigon River Bridge and approaches (2.8 km)
**Construction began June 2013.
**Bridge completed to four lanes on November 23, 2018.
**Completed in 2019.
Floydian τ ¢ 22:05, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thunder Bay to Nipigon 

message: This source doesn't actually point to a document, it points to a page where two different documents can be downloaded. Neither appear to support most of what is sourced to it. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it does, you just don't know what to look for. These tables include traffic counts for each segment of the road, from which the highest and lowest traffic counts can be taken. Admittedly, that's an out of date document (2016 is the current version). In the second link, Highway 11 is PDF pages 15 through 19. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  But which of the two documents is the one being cited? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 00:56, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The website itself is, it has a dropdown box. All 3 are the same document, just sorted/filtered. - Floydian τ ¢ 00:58, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: But the url actually needs to go to the exact webpage which supports the citation. Just FYI almost none of what is currently sourced to it is supported by pages 15 through 19, we're using this as a complex narrative source for things besides traffic counts. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:00, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Where? I use it to cite distances and intersections. The maps that cite the description are perfectly acceptable to use to describe the geometry of  linear features. Also it does go to the webpge which supports the citation, you're just either incompetent or desperately grasping at straws. - Floydian τ ¢ 01:18, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  For me it takes clicks to access the data, how do you get them without clicking through to another page? The entire "Major intersections" section is sourced to it alone. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:30, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You select 11 from the drop down and navigate it section by section... or you open the pdf which conveniently presents it on a single page. Are you browsing with a Commodore 64, or is your mouse too sticky? And yes, the major intersections are sourced to a document that, by golly, lists the intersections along the route! I've used editorial discretion to remove certain entries that are either not intersections, or are minor lot roads. If that's a problem, I suggest an RfC at WP:LISTS. - Floydian τ ¢ 01:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Mouse? Haven't used one of those in years. Where are you seeing anything which would support the notes section? For example: "North end of Highway 65 concurrency; north end of tri-Town Bypass; formerly Highway 11B south" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 01:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The concurrency is mentioned (probably under Highway 65), as is Tri-Town Bypass and 11B. Admittedly, those notes could use an extra ref (hence the GAN). Do you have anything of substance to claim, or can I start ignoring this as circuitous, pointy, and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT? - Floydian τ ¢ 02:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any concurrencies mentioned under Highway 65. Glad we agree that the notes are OR. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:08, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "N JCT HWY 65 AND HWY 11 OVERLAP - HWY 11 S JCT HWY 65 AND HWY 11 2.7km". The notes aren't OR, they don't have a proper reference. Learn the fucking difference. - Floydian τ ¢ 04:18, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh there it is, I was looking for concurrency not overlap. You're right, most do appear to conceivably be verifiable. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Annual Average Daily Traffic (AADT) counts"