Talk:Christian Union (Netherlands)

message: In its current form, this is merely an advertisment for the party concerned. Does anyone know any more about them? The Anome
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I removed:
* See also Benjamin Anker.
since its relevance is not clear. --Erauch 20:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertisement

message: The article currently reads "It is the fifth-largest party in the Netherlands with around 27,000 members." But the party is only the fifth largest qua members. Qua MPs the party is 8th. I think the current text is not clear on this. So I changed the article. But since some one reverted that I hoped first to see what other thought before changing it back. Any ideas? C mon 14:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure "Fifth largest qua members" is proper English; it looks more like Dutch to me. Perhaps that is why it was reverted. I have reformulated the statement, in a perhaps more Englishy style. Eugene van der Pijll 22:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The fifth largest party

message: I would seem to me that calling the ChristianUnion a reformed party is incorrect, since some of the members are non-reformed evangelicals or pentecostals and even some catholics. One of the catholic members, Harry Notermans from Stramproy (a priest!), is mentioned in the following article. I can read Dutch, but I can imagine some of you can't, so I'll describe the things mentioned that are relevant to this discussion. This article (alike some other articles on the website) describes the current tendency of othodox catholics voting or even joining the ChristianUnion. The ChristianUnion welcomes these people. The party leader André Rouvoet in the media encourages other catholics to join aswell. So far the article.
I would like to add that the members of the ChristianUnion are still predominantly reformed, but the party isn't exclusively reformed. There are many non-reformed protestants who represent the ChristianUnion in local councils and some of the candidates for the next parliamentary elections are non-reformed protestants aswell (the numbers four and five, Joel Voordewind and Cynthia Ortega-Martijn, for example). Looking at recent polls these two non-reformed protestants are likely to become members of parliament after 22 november. Catholics joining the ChristianUnion is a somewhat newer development.Jonathan van Tongeren 00:30, 26 september 2006 (UTC)
:First off, I can read Dutch. Second, I want to stress that this party is not oecumenical christian but atleast protestant. I have mended that now, is that a compromise you can live with? C mon 07:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformed? 

message: "It had polled much better, with some polling stations predicting seven or eight seats." 
After doing some editing to improve the language, this sentence kept bothering me. I am almost sure the author meant pollsters - not actual election ballots at polling stations. Having a paragraph about the CU always doing well in "opinion polls" would actually add some badly needed balance to the article (balance does not need criticism - there is actually very little yet to criticize the CU for, although I personally do not like the "langue de bois" so typical of communists in the old days - I agree that you only hear it with the minor CU politicians, not with Rouvoet).
Perhaps the sentence about opinion polls should include Andries Knevel and his EO talk show - or is that a Belgocentric view?--Pan Gerwazy 10:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polling 

message: What I entered here, was based on what I could figure out from this .I'd also add In social policies, asylum matters and environmental issues, the CU has much in common with Dutch left-wing parties such as PvdA, SP and the GreenLeft. In issues like drugs, medical ethics, Middle-East conflict and the foreign policy, CU's views differ strongly from those of the left-wing parties. E.J. 14:23, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Predecessors and issues

message: The article uses the term orthodox Protestant or orthodox reformed or some such several times without explanation.  To me Orthodox in the context of Christianity means Eastern Orthodox, who are neither Protestant nor Reformed. Honestly I think the word orthodox should not be used here, but if it is to be used it at least needs explanation. --Trovatore (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Orthodox is used here to refer to particularly strict forms of (reformed) protestantism, which involve strict moral beliefs and strict interpretation of the bible. Perhaps the term conservative or fundamentalist is more appropriate. C mon (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think another word should be found.  Fundamentalist is probably not good because it's too specific to a particular movement in the United States, related to the set of tracts called The Fundamentals. Conservative might be OK if there's nothing more specific to this particular tendency in Dutch Protestantism. --Trovatore (talk) 09:12, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with C mon: "conservative", "fundamentalist" or even "evangelical" is fairly better than "orthodox". --Checco (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I recently edited (per accident) anonymously into the current version which has a foot note on Orthodoxo Protestant and adding some conservatives in the text. Which is, according to me, the best translation for the translation of "Orthodox Protestant" C mon (talk) 18:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately, "fundamentalist" as it is commonly used carries with it connotations, and implies comparisons, that don't properly belong to the group being described here.  Otherwise, if not for the loose handling it's had, it probably would be a good and descriptive word.  So, although as is mentioned, "orthodox-protestantse" might unintentionally evoke an inappropriate association with Eastern Orthodoxy, on the whole it's less misleading than "fundamentalist". ("Orthodox Protestant" can't mean "Eastern Orthodox", whereas "fundamentalist" no longer even necessarily evokes the idea of orthodoxy.  "Fundamentalist" might betoken "ignorant, mean and scary people"  or "terrorist" much more often than it speaks of someone who believes that Jesus died and rose bodily from the grave to save sinners).  I think that "confessional reformed Christian" is more descriptive, but I suppose there are problems with that as well. — Mark (Mkmcconn) ** 20:44, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

text: In the Dutch context the word "confessional" is used for any Christian-democratic political party, from Catholic to Protestant, from progressive to conservative. C mon (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "orthodox Protestant"? 

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