Talk:Boston Red Sox/2004 Archive

message: I'm pretty sure that in the last month or so one or two New York Times sportswriters have written columns in which they trace the phrase back to about 1976, give or take a year.  About the time of the Bucky Dent fiasco, I think.  One of them, I recall, wrote that maybe he was the one who originated it.  A little research with the NYT could probably take the date back about 10 years.... Hayford Peirce 02:23, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The earliest reference I can find using the keywords "Curse" and "Babe Ruth" is the Oct 28, 1986 edition of the NYT (page D33), a headline in the Sports of the Times section titled "Babe Ruth Curse Strikes Again", by George Vecsy, written after the Mets' victory that year. -khaosworks 03:51, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: this is an ongoing issue, lets see if we can dig some more info up on this. article has been modified to mention this. Alkivar 05:50, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As an update - I found an article in the previous day's paper, Oct 27, 1986, also by George Vecsy, titled "Why the Mets are still alive" (Page C3) which also mentiones the Curse of Babe Ruth. Another article the day after talks about Boston being haunted by the "curse" of old ghosts, i.e. the loss of previous World Series. I can find no other references to the Babe Ruth curse prior to 1986. -khaosworks 08:33, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I found articles written in 1979 about the Red Sox being cursed, but not until 1986 did it get explicitly linked to Babe Ruth and 1918.  I think the Vescey attribution is right. Sympleko 15:33, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Curse of the Bambino

message: Calm down, guys. There is bound to be disagreement over an article dealing with breaking events  ... when the Series is over (insert obligatory team-boosting comment here) and blood stops boiling, it will be much easier to examine this article dispasionaltely. Don't get too worked up or Wikipedia will kill you through high blood pressure. - DavidWBrooks 03:19, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you're right, you are continuing to "look like an idiot." But good points nonetheless. Was the issue ever resolved, or should we all just let the page grow until the Series is concluded, and sort it out then? For now, I've just added links in the 2004 Postseason and 2004 World Series sections to the existing main articles. Aerion 00:18, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Calm down 

message: Do the riots that occured after this year's ALCS win deserve to be mentioned somewhere in the 2004 postseason section? (briefly - no need for too much detail, at least not in this article) Same with any riots that may erupt if the Sox win the World Series. In the wake of last week's student death, we've been given specific instructions to avoid Kenmore Square in the event the Sox do win, but I doubt many people will be deterred. Who can resist a huge party just 364.4 smoots (and 1 ear) away? Aerion 00:17, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the riots and the girl who was killed deserve mention, especially considering her entry page is VfD'd. With 1 very strong stipulation, IT HAS TO BE NEUTRAL, no negative angle about the Boston PD. Alkivar 01:22, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thank you, NPOV needs no mention. As a side note, I don't think the deletion of the entire section above was a wise idea. The discussion can serve as a guide to future editors. But I'll let you and Jonpin make the call on that. Aerion 14:03, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the comment because the page for her was starting to turn into a rant about the Boston PD. Alkivar 23:35, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Aerion 00:19, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  2004 Postseason Riots 

message: Once the fervor and shock have settled down, the section about this years amazing feats will need to be extensively trimmed down.  It's completely out of proportion with the rest of the article.  There's still the 2004 Post Season article itself to link to ... -- GWO
:I've taken a shot at trimming some of it, but it still needs to be shortened a lot more.  I hope you folks can help out. --Modemac 12:14, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is very much needed, and has been (almost) discussed in the past few days. Hopefully, now that the postseason is complete, somebody will take the time to clean it up. There are already extensive articles on the topic, and I imagine there's not that much new material here. What little there is here that is not redundant should be merged into those articles, then a summary and a link to the main articles should be included on this page. Aerion 18:25, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  2004 Post Season