Talk:EuroCity

message: "During the pre-Schengen era, passport checks were conducted on EC trains while in motion, rather than while parked at a station or requiring the passengers to disembark, as was sometimes the case for non EC trains."
Isn't this still the case?  With the Schengen treaty there's no passport control at most borders, but some trains still pass through borders where there has to be a passport control, such as the borders to Switzerland and Poland. Or has the passport control policy changed, so that passports now are checked at stations? (212.247.11.153 00:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passport control 

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thread_title: London

message: Are there two trains numbered EC 37? This week we are taking the EC 37 train that goes from Geneva Airport to Venice. There seems also an EC 37 (listed here) that goes from Hamburg to Copenhagen. Both trains show up in a Google search.
Andygx (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Routes 

message: The article Mozart (train) has been nominated for deletion due to lack of sources. I don't think it deserves to be, but I don't have any railway books to hand that mention it. Can anyone find a book that features it? Those of you who have been working on the other recent :Category:EuroCity articles may particularly be able to help. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 21:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: I'm not sure that it does stand for that, certainly not in common usage. I've never heard it used. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 08:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard that name, either, and I am tempted to remove it from the text. (For the benefit of other editors reading this discussion, these comments refer to a change that was made – in the first sentence of the article – in this recent edit.)  It may have been a variation of the name that was used in German, if the (German) source Bahnfrend gave for that sentence also applied to that detail (which is unclear), but I cannot recall having ever seen "Eurocity-express" (or "EuroCity-express") in English. SJ Morg (talk) 09:41, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick Googling of "Eurocity-express" produces no supporting evidence, only mentions on enthusiast pages and (mainly) eBay, Flickr and model-hobby pages and such (many of which probably copied, but in English, listings on German pages without realizing that a particular term is not in common usage in English, or is not correct).  That certainly does not prove that it's wrong (was never official), but in my opinion it raises more than enough doubt that I am going to remove that phrase from the article.  If Bahnfrend or another editor wants to make a case for reinstating it, they are welcome to do so, of course. SJ Morg (talk) 09:50, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The source (which appears to be a reliable 12 volume standard dictionary published in Germany) says simply that the expression EuroCity is an abbreviation of "Eurocity-Express".  The source doesn't suggest that the latter expression has ever been in common usage, in either German or English, and I agree that it hasn't been in common usage.  However, I think the source implicitly makes the valid point that "EuroCity" is a bit like the expression APEC, or "Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation", which was once described by the then Australian foreign minister as being "four adjectives in search of a noun" (except that "EuroCity" is a compound of two adjectives in search of both a third adjective ("Express") and a noun ("train")).  Or, if you want to make the point more baldly, you might just ask "EuroCity what?" Bahnfrend (talk) 10:04, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I do agree the "EuroCity" is an adjective, and in my opinion it should almost always be followed by a noun, within prose text (occasionally, the noun is sufficiently implied by a preceding phrase).  On that basis, when I've found another editor referring to "EuroCitys" (or EuroCities) or otherwise treating the word as a noun, in article text, I've tried to change those to (e.g.) "EuroCity trains" or "EuroCity services" – as my time permits (I've not yet gotten around to doing that clean-up in parts of this article that were edited during the last few weeks) – as that is how I always see it written in professional-quality writing.  However, in this case, the lead sentence states that "EuroCity .... is a .... category ....", and from a grammatical standpoint, that seems fine.  And there are several Wikipedia articles whose titles are adjectives, although it's not common.  Personally, I'd have no objection to renaming this article "EuroCity network" (or "EuroCity brand" or something else), but I am not proposing that, because I don't have any strong feelings about it, whereas I suspect there probably are several other editors who do. SJ Morg (talk) 10:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think EuroCity is used as a noun, as many brands are - DB announcements will say you connect to "the EuroCity to Basel" (or wherever), the same applies for "Intercity". I still think it's more elegant to write "EuroCity service" or "... train" in article text, but I don't think this article's title needs any extra disambiguation. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I think "Intercity" is key - this isn't really short for anything, and EuroCity is considered a direct equivalent of it, in Germany at least. The name "EuroCity-express", indicates what it's at the level of the ICE, which isn't the case. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 11:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  EuroCity-express