Talk:Himba people

message: If anyone has further information on the Himba it would be really helpful. Please post it if you do. I'm trying to write a short novel about them and need to know more about the traditions and culture of their people. Thanks a lot! -- The preceding unsigned comment was added by User 216.220.255.147 on June 15, 2004 at 23:34 
:You could look on the german page. There is more information about them. -- The preceding unsigned comment was added by User 62.178l78.205 on December 13, 2005 at 00:58
:This is noteworthy: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/8/eaay6195?fbclid=IwAR0rozpgj9fJltdgcIc5_GzHHZD1ASNgTNybPF69M2hWnh-Y_stqzJpoHaE47.218.189.187 (talk) 20:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditions and culture - further info?

message: Much is made of what women are supposed to do, but not a word about men's task. Herding, maybe?--BertSen (talk) 12:12, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is good question.  I was just wondering that myself.  Maybe because the women color themselves with the pigment, they are the most interesting to look at and talk about.  I haven't seen any pictures of their men and there's not much discussion about them, either.  I am beginning to think that the men live separately.  --Lance E Sloan (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do men do, if anything? 

message: This sentence is terribly unclear: "Since they live on the Angolan border, many Himba were also kidnapping victims in the Angolan civil war."  It could be understood as: "Himba were victims of kidnapping" or "the Himba kidnapped people".  I'm quite sure the former is correct, but someone needs to fix it.  If the Himba were kidnapped, it would be helpful to know by whom and why.  Notes/references/sources for these facts/claims are also appreciated.  Wikipedia isn't supposed to contain original research.  24.13.6.100 (talk) 22:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear writing 

message: There are only a few citations given for this article and, frankly, not a lot of information. I suggest looking up articles by Dr. David A. Crandall, a recognized authority on the subject.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.138.201 (talk) 23:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Needed 

message: Recent edits have changed the text from stating that female circumcision is practiced to stating that it is not. These two web sites support the orignal text:  , so I'll revert it. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Female circumcision 

message: I don't know if this could be worked into the article or not, but a Himba baby, Ponijao, was one of the subjects of the 2010 documentary Babies. One source saying she's Himban: . I don't think this could go into a "Notable Himbans" section, though, because she's not exactly notable, but still worth mentioning. --- cymru lass (hit me up)⁄(background check) 20:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good point I've been wondering myself. Perhaps a section In popular culture because this widely distributed and viewed film has brought the Himba and their way of life to public attention. There are probably additional citations from more creditable sources, no offense to www.kentucky.com :-)  -- Deborahjay (talk) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Famous" Himba 

message: I have moved the following from the Kaokoland article, where it was out of place. It's not wikified, unreferenced, needs rephrasing, and it is largely overlapping with this article, yet something might come handy.
With 16,000 or so inhabitants, 5,000 of the Himba people, Kaokoland has a population density of only one person to every two square kilometers which is about a quarter of the national average. The Himba people inhabited Kaokoland, they are the descendants of the earliest Herero's who migrated around the area in the 16th century. Around the middle of the 18th century the pressure of too many people and cattle in the baked environment led them to migrate to the main body of the Herero to the rich lands further down south. These people are an ancient tribe of semi nomadic pastoralists. Many of them still live and still dressed like the ancient traditions and live in spread out huts throughout Kaokoland. They are a very thin and very tall people. The women are noted for their different and sculptural beauty, by complicated hairstyles and traditional decorations. The girls wear their hair in two plaits hanging over their forehead. When they get married they wear their hair really long into very thin braids. They also have soft skin headpieces on the top of their heads to let everyone know that they are married. They also have necklaces and belts along their bodies and have special white conch pendant that hangs between their naked breasts. These shells are traded through Angola, having originally come all the way from the east coast of Africa, and these are usually presents for women. The most discovery of all, are their spiral copper armlets and iron beaded anklets. Beautiful soft buck skins hang from their hips. For good grooming, every part of the body and every item of dress must be anointed with this mixture which is worn by men and women alike. Himba boys wear the traditional leather apron and the metal beaded collar that all the men regularly wear. The boys tend to shave their heads except for some strip in the center of their head, this way their hair can be tied into a single pig tail in the back of their heads. When they get married they have to wear their hair longer, and keep it all wrapped in a large turban of cloth or softened sheep skin. Both men and women rub their entire bodies with red ochre and fat this helps protect their skins from the hot and dry climate. Their cultures, lifestyle and dress have been well documented and they live side by side with the wildlife in the region much like the proud Maasai people of Masai Mara in Kenya. There homes are simple, they are cone shaped structures of saplings bound together with many palm leaves and plastered with mud and dung, in other words, manure. Families tend to move from one home to another a couple times a year for their goats and cattle. Sandals of leather protect both men and women’s feet from the very hot sand and European belts and a t-shirt which are obvious from nowadays. But the women tend to dress more in their traditional clothes than men. The Himbas' lives most likely revolve around their livestock and their cattle. Cattle are still the main sign for money and status in their society, but they do not normally eat them. The only times they are killed are when there are special ceremonies, such as weddings, name-giving, circumcisions and funerals The Himba Chief’s grave is always surrounded by stone, stout poles and the horns of cattle sacrificed at the funeral. To make sure that the spirit of the sacrificed cattle does not escape the body when the mourners break its neck with their hands, the nostrils are stuffed with grass and clay and its mouth held shut. The dead person's body is wrapped around in raw hide and lowered in a crouching position into the grave, together with all his personal belongings. The mourning that follows is long and cut loose, to ensure that the ancestors welcome the new member; offerings of raw meat are made to them. Once the funeral is over the grave becomes a grave shrine, the ground hallowed, and the place is made for people to worship.
Moongateclimber (talk) 15:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Material that needs integration

message: This BBC production has more about the color perception. --Palnatoke (talk) 18:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Color perception 

message: Pictures should also have some Himba-men since the article should be representative for all Himbas. 
--Arsaces (talk) 01:29, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone add more Himba-men picures?  

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message: There is this fake news story that circulates and gets reshared e.g. on facebook that the Himba women would go sit under a tree when they want to have a baby, and then mysteriously would start hearing such song, then teach it to a man they want to have the baby with and etc.  More: http://aidamanduley.com/2015/03/10/the-real-origin-of-the-african-birth-song/
SvenAERTS (talk) 03:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Fake Himba Birth Song myth

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message: I'm part of a group doing research with Ovahimba in Kaokoland. An Omuhimba elder recently alerted us that some of the pictures are not appropriate, particularly those that were taken without knowledge of the individuals (with telephoto lenses) or their consent (with camera drones). 
The issue is that what this article describes as villages in picture subscripts are actually homesteads, those huts together make up one family home. Spying tourists thus easily spot people that are not appropriately dressed. Not those bare breasts of the women, but rather missing ornaments, blankets instead of skirts, hairdo in-the-making, and so on. As the elder asked two of my colleagues, Why Is She Naked?
There are also members of other tribes dressing as Ovahimba to perform for tourists (recognisable to an Omuhimba because of the random arrangement of clothes and ornaments), so it is an issue of personality right as well as factuality of the article. I guess a photo of an European/American gained by peeping through their entrance door, would be unacceptable, too.
I'll be in the field again soon and plan to present the portfolio of Commons pictures. The thing is, what I will gain as commentary is not a reliable source by our standards---Any idea how to go about that? --Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 08:13, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: I have removed 2 pictures that are definitely not depicting Ovahimba, and I have promoted one from the gallery. I also changed one wrong picture subscript. --Pgallert (talk) 13:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

text: I just wanted to (re-)add the PDF-link you mentioned because it didn't seem to work anymore. Here it is. I hope it is helpful. Athaba (talk) 17:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures again / personality rights 

message: Mukuru comes up as connected to Zimbabwe (The Shona) is this correct or is the linking correct?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.0.4.168 (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mukuru 

message: What are we only seeing photos of naked women here? Where are the men?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 15.243.169.73 (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. I see nothing wrong with all the women being topless - I suppose it's just the tribal custom - but I find it very disturbing that there's absolutely no pictures of men. JIP | Talk 19:26, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Out of 17 photos, 10 in this article show breasts. I mean breasts are great, but it feels pretty sexist and not at all good. Sanpitch (talk) 00:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of Naked Women 

message: Please remove unsourced genocide claims. 105.12.2.1 (talk) 12:39, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for picking this up. --Pgallert (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genocide Libel 

message: I heard that these people do not bath. So the question is what do they do during raining season? 2A03:2880:FF:F:0:0:FACE:B00C (talk) 06:42, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raining season 

message: Why do the Himba people knock out incisor teeth in children approaching puberty? Marymarcel (talk) 22:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teeth