Talk:Renaissance (band)

message: In 1978, a compilation of Prologue and Ashes are Burning was released on a two-disc record/one cassette tape, and titled "In the Beginning."  Should this be added to compilations? 98.221.131.77 (talk) 11:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: In the Beginning

message: Any muso's fancy casting an NPOV eye over this article??? quercus robur 23:57 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Isn't this article better titled Renaissance (band)? Wshun
:Yup - that's what seems to be done with other articles (Can (band) and Faust (band), for example). I'll move it. --Camembert 00:24 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)
There's a lot of POV stuff in this article. Needs a fairly heavy edit to remove bias. -- Lee M (Renaissance fan)
Re the original band: their first album was on Island in UK, not Elektra, and the second was only released in Germany. Re the second line-up, the original guitarist was Mick Parsons who died in a car crash the day before Prologue was recorded. Note also that very many musicians passed through in the early days. Incidentally, Annie Haslam has said that she never regarded Renaissance as a rock band. The (almost) original line-up reformed as Illusion, and released two albums. Sbz5809 12:29, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and I took it upon myself to remove that assertion.  That statement is the sole reason I checked this discussion, because it stuck out like a sore thumb as I was reading the article, and I figured someone else must have commented on it.  The unsourced statement looks quite unprovable, since it's not clear how 'not taken well by fans' can be established as a fact.  How many fans didn't approve? 10%? 50%? 75.8574%?  It's just someone's opinion, and strays away from a Neutral Point Of View. - 4.246.129.76 04:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Renren123.jpg

message: The main article would be improved if there were a word or two on the band's relationship with Betty Thatcher, and how they got her to write the lyrics to some of their songs.198.177.27.22 (talk) 01:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Betty Thatcher influence 

message: I question the release dates -- are they the CD release dates?  I have cassette versions of these albums; volume 1 is dated 1975 and volume 2 is dated 1979.
--AFbrat1972-MN (talk) 03:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tales of 1001 Nights 

message: I'm reasonably certain that I first saw Renaissance on the Mike Douglas show perform "Can You Hear Me" in promotion of Novella.  That was my introduction to the band.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.15.140 (talk) 18:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a tip, wikipedia isn't a forum. But thanks for sharing. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 04:24, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaissance on the Mike Douglas Show 

message: Kids' TV show, used to be on (many years back) when I'd get home from school. Set in Tyneside. It even has its own Wikipedia page, which states: "The signature tune of the series, "Back Home Once Again", was performed by progressive folk rock band Renaissance, and it appears (re-recorded) as a full-length song on their 1978 album A Song For All Seasons." Doesn't this merit a mention here? To many (not of the prog-rock persuasion) this may be what the band is best known for.
Johncurrandavis (talk) 11:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Paper Lads"???

message: The link on Michael Dunford points to a football administrator!  There does not seem to be an entry for Dunford the musician.
Seftelcm (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Dunford Link 

message: I strongly feel there should be a dedicated wiki page for Michael Dunford, as he was the band's principal songwriter. He was exceptionally gifted and composed and arranged long, intricate, sophisticated, instrumental passages for the band. Would someone like to create a dedicated page for him?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthspeak (talk • contribs) 23:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree.  The relevant notability guidelines state that individual band members should be "redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article."  Dunford was a member of The Nashville Teens, Renaissance, and and Michael Dunford's Renaissance — the last of which redirects to a subsection of the Renaissance article, and rightly so.  (He was also in "The Plebes" and "The Pentad", but these bands were too minor to count.)  He doesn't seem to have released any solo albums.  Biographical information here:   .  But it would be good to have a print source as well; there is no biographical info on him in Macan's Rocking the Classics. — Lawrence King (talk) 03:02, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dedicated page for "Michael Dunford (musician)" 

message: Many sources have been found which state that Annie Haslam possesses a five-octave vocal range, including Snider which is quoted in the body of the article as "crystal clear five-octave voice". Whether Haslam uses all of her vocal range with Renaissance is entirely irrelevant. Repeatedly changing the article without citing sources will eventually be marked as vandalism. CaesarsPalaceDude  (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haslam's five-octave vocal range 

message: I have a big problem with aggressive music critics as a whole. I think if one really wants to add such appallingly harsh content to a Wikipedia article, it should be necessary to prove that it reflects the opinion of a sufficient base of listeners (IMHO just saying "some critics" as in the main article is not enough). The guy at Rolling Stone could basically have said the same about ELP or Jethro Tull, but I guess he wouldn't have dared. If he hates this kind of music, that is alright, I'd just advise him to concentrate on what he likes and knows about. 
A clue might be that the guy had a problem with women at large, as appears in this example:
The Slits
Cut (1979)
Rating: 1 Star 
"...reveals no singing ability, a rudimentary handling of musical instruments and rather poor reggae-influenced songwriting. Yet this do-it-yourself incompetence is precisely the point, claim the group's admirers. Obviously, then, for hard-core Anglophilic ass kissers only." (Wayne King, 1983 RS Record Guide) 
Source
More interesting and constructive critical material can be found e.g. at  http://www.tranglos.com/marek/yes/tr_14.html or http://starling.rinet.ru/music/haslam.htm 
Alexandre Oberlin (talk) 00:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks to me that there are two main reviews/opinions, each one featured equally in a quoted block. One is negative and one is positive. Removing the negative review that you called harsh was unhelpful, because it left the article non-neutral as far as reviews. It certainly is not necessary to prove that it reflects the opinion of a sufficient base of listeners. huh? Wikipedia does not work like that. Maybeparaphrased (talk) 01:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics