Talk:Jhatka

message: I believe my contribution was entirely relevent, as the section is about the relationship between Sikhism and Jhatka, it is only fair that BOTH sikh views on jhatka are represented. The refs I have are not simply about meat eating, and make CLEAR references to jhatka, therefore are completely relevent. Onetwothreeabc (talk) 13:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about Jhatka. What is Jhatka. Jhatka definition. Whi uses Jhatka. Not a debate place on the merits and demerits of meat eating. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: My edit

message: , NO matter if its jhatka, or if it's cut with a golden knife.
:: Wikipedia is not a place to propagate POV. Thanks --Sikh-history 06:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is fully referenced, and is not about meat eating, but about Jhatka. It does need more refrences. As fas as I am aware the Sikh Rehat Maryada does not ban meat consumption. Thanks --Sikh-History 19:27, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Since Jhatka meat arose due to the Sikh belief that Meat should not be sanctified prior to consumption, hence the ban on "ritual slaughter", isn't there at least some credence to the fact that Guru Nanak promoted a vegetarian ideology, but permitted meat consumption as long as a Sikh did not ask God to bless it? I'm not Sikh and don't have much clarification on this, but could someone kindly ask a religious elder or scholar about the details of this, I agree this page isn't about a Vegetarian vs Meat diet, but if vegetarianism and a distaste for meat consumption plays even a small part in the historical basis behind jhatka practices, then those small details need mentioning. something like : "Due to the belief that meat consumption, albeit permitted is not considered the optimal practice, "Guru Nanak?" taught his followers to not sanctify meat before they consumed it, as such the Sikh faith prohibits the consumption of any meat that was sanctified under God, which extends to meat procured by other faiths such as the Jews or Muslims(most popular example) etc."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.45.165 (talk) 00:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Sikh religion prohibits eating MEAT

message: Come on peeps. Let's get this article expanded. Tenacious D Fans (talk) 18:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Will try in the next few days. --Sikh-history 06:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major work needed 

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message: *What happens in Hindu areas with meat from wild jungle animals (deer, wild pigs) which have been shot with a gun or a bow-and-arrow? If Hindu village dwellers shoot or trap deer or wild pigs to defend their crops, can they eat the meat? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be dependant on the branch of Hinduism they are from. If teh are Vashnavites then they wouldeat no meat whatsoever. Other sects such as Shivites would have no such problem. Thanks--Sikh-history (talk) 12:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wild meat 

message: We need to expand this article and add more details. --TerrorNetwork (talk) 10:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: We need to exand this article

message: 27 August 2009 – Sikh History deleted edit by anonymous.  Edit included a balanced view on the usage of Jhatka within the Sikh religion.  It was marked as including POV and a non-authoritative reference.
Sikh History stated on 24 July 2009 that “the article is about Jhatka” – which is fine.  The editor then goes further “[n]ot a debate place on the merits and demerits of meat eating” – which is contradictory to the editor’s current version.
It would be fine to stop at what the physical requirements of Jhatka are and possibly the rationale behind Jhatka. However to mention that Sikhs are “recommended” (dead link – new reference required) goes over and beyond the mere definition of Jhatka.  The matter of meat eating is a deep rooted issue within the community today and many in the pro-meat diet camp site Jhatka as their source for legitimacy.
As it reads to a non-Sikh – the article suggests that Jhatka meat is acceptable within the Sikh religion but you obviously have no credible source – one being a dead link and the other a non-baptised member of the wider ethnic Sikh community.  
So where I accept that the method of Jhatka exists – you must allow a balanced view on the usage of Jhatka in the Sikh community and in the process remember, it is not an argument whether meat is acceptable or not; rather why would Jhatka mean anything to those who firmly believe that Sikhs should not be privy to a meat diet in the first instance.  Hence do not avoid the issue by labeling it as “extremism” and allow for the article to incorporate the position that – within the Sikh religion there are differing views on its legitimacy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.0.85.129 (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Requirement of a open and balanced article

message: A Hindu/Sikh Organization named Jhatka Org is fighting for JUSTICE TO JHATKA, it's official website www.jhatka.org explains the whole scenario.Mr. Ravi Ranjan Singh on behalf of the Organization has filed a Petition to Parliament of India, for proper display of Logo of Jhatka or Islamic Halal at every selling point and product.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whyjhatka (talk • contribs) 15:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizations Supporting Jhatka i.e. www.jhatka.org 

message: What is meant by "Marshall Heritage" in section titled Jhatka meat and Sikhs? It is used twice in that section. Bus stop (talk) 10:43, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is meant to be "Martial", as in a "warrior tradition". --Sikh-History 14:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: When I search for "Sikh Martial Heritage" Jhatka, I only find two hits. Bus stop (talk) 17:57, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marshall Heritage 

message: Is Jhatka meat offered as Kara Parshad at the Gurudwara during Vaisakhi and shouldn't be refused? From what I know, consuming meat is not prohibited, but nor is it glorified.. and certainly not allowed in Gurudwaras/langar,I've never seen eggs/meat when I go to langar! In fact, in all Dharmic religions, meat eating is not really the best thing to be doing..  Lilaac (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a reference to Hazoor Sahib, but no reference has been provided. I know of several Gurudwara's outsise Punjab that do this. Those that are run by Hazoori Sikhs and Nihang based, however, if no refrennce is found, I would be inclined to take it out. In relation to "Dharmic" religions, Sikhism is sometime classified in that, but I do not think the term is accurate, due to references in Sikhism to Semitic faiths too. Thanks --Sikh-History 18:03, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jhatka meat offered as Kara Parshad? 

message: as opposed to Jewish slaughter (shechita) or Islamic slaughter (dhabihah) in which the animal is killed by ritually slicing the throat
As far as Jewish slaughter is concerned, the way the throat is cut is regulated in great detail in Jewish law. But there is no ritual involved. The word ritual means that the procedures used (using a sharp knife, testing the knife for abscence of nicks, cut made in the right place, knife does not dig into the flesh, no delay in slaughtering once commenced) have been complied with. The slaugheter of the animal is to make it fit for food for consumption by religious Jews and others. Nothing else. See 
RPSM (talk) 10:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  By fit for consumption, does that mean some sort of purification of the meat? Could you expand on this? Thanks --Sikh-History 11:43, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no such thing as meat (or food) being "purified" in Jewish practice. It is either fit to eat (=what "kosher" means) or it is not (either because it is not an appropriate thing to eat [such as dogs, rabbits, etc.], or because someone messed up the processing [contaminated it with something dead or otherwise inappropriate]). What RPSM means when he says "make it fit" is just make sure it doesn't get contaminated or improperly slaughtered, just as any atheist/secular meat producer would make meat fit by doing the same thing at a regular slaughterhouse-to-grocery chain. — al-Shimoni (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  There is no ritual involved in Jewish slaughter. The term "ritual slaughter" is misleading. And this article is misleading in its present state 

message: Edits by the Ip above have been reverted for two reasons:
# WP:NOTRELIABLE - sources do not have ISBN numbers and also the websites contradict what most Sikh websites state.
# WP:SYNTHESIS - there appears to be an attempt to blur Sikhism with Kabir Panthi.
:Thanks SH 18:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits by IP 81.14.2.106 

message: why is kosher described in this article as "ritualistically slow slaughter?"
what part of the slaughter is slow? if its done slow, the animal is not kosher.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unchartered (talk • contribs) 11:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  kosher is slow?  

message: The claim that most Christians prefer jhatka as method of slaughter sounds like nonsense. (Beheading a pig or bull with a single axe strike -- you've got to be kidding.) The cited source, namely the "Medical, Municipal and Plastic Waste Management Handbook" is not a credible source for such a claim by any stretch of the imagination.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.234.224.230 (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christians and jhatka 

message: See the discussion on the topic of this article at the talk page of related article, . Rasnaboy (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal rights topic categories 

message: This article cites no religious scripture from either Hinduism or Sikhism, which can authenticate whether this type of meat is promoted in those two religions or not. It cites paragraphs from books that are written as opinions only. They are not backed by any religious scripture as well. Given that Islam permits only non-Jhatka meat (Halaal meat), this article has germinated out of creating communal tensions between Hindus and Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. The motivation of this article is purely communal and political, bereft of any knowledge with reliable sources. Explaining what Jhatka meat is, is fine. But the portions which claim that it is mandatory in Hinduism or Sikhism, should be removed. --Eklavya111 (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Unencyclopedic Communal Political Article

message: Complimentary concepts of slaughter. Better for the reader if both are discussed at one page. Venkat TL (talk) 19:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes - because it seems that kutha is just the antithesis of jhatka, so like non-halal versus halal or non-kosher versus kosher. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:48, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Kutha meat]] with [[Jhatka]] 

message: This article is about Jhatka meat. Dietary behaviour of Sikhs should be present in Diet in Sikhism article rather than here. If anybody has objection to it, we can discuss it here otherwise will make the required changes after few days. Jasksingh (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dietary avoidance out of politeness" section should be moved to [[Diet in Sikhism]] article 

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