Talk:Ramapough Mountain Indians

message: "New York does not have a separate process of recognition of Indian tribes and never recognized the Ramapough".This is not true. According to NY Legislative Resolution 96 dated 2/82, it states "Whereas, although New York does recognize Indian tribes in order to qualify for state run aide-programs.." 
http://www.wiki.ramapoughlenapenation.org/wp-docs/NYResolution.pdf
Ramapoughnative (talk) 03:31, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York State Recognition 

message: Despite what the NCAI website states, the Ramapough are state recognized by resolution. refer to ACR3031. This is still in effect and we are recognized, or there would no longer be a NJ State Commission of Indian Affairs.
About the Commission
The New Jersey Commission on Native American Affairs was created by P.L.1134, c. 295, and signed into law on December 22, 1995, by Governor Christine Todd Whitman. It was placed within the New Jersey Department of State. Later legislation changed the name to the New Jersey Commission on American Indian Affairs. Its first meeting was held on April 18, 1997 and it continues to meet regularly in Trenton, usually on the third Wednesday of the month. The Commission is covered by the Open Public Meetings Act.
The Commission serves as a liaison among the tribes and the State and Federal governments. It is empowered to develop programs and projects to further understanding of New Jersey's American Indian history and culture.
There are nine members of the Commission: the Secretary of State, serving ex officio, and eight public members. The public members, who are recommended by their tribes and organizations and appointed by the Governor, consist of two members from each of the following: Nanticoke Lenni-Lenape Indians, Powhatan Renape Indians, Ramapough Lenape Indian Nation, and Inter-Tribal People. Inter-Tribal People refers to American Indian people who reside in New Jersey, but are members of federally and/or State-recognized tribes in other states.
Ramapoughnative (talk) 20:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disagreement on State Recognition 

message: Has their DNA been tested, and, if so, what were the results? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 08:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancestry

message: Here are some examples of problems with the article, all from the History section: 
* "A number of local historians, genealogists, and archeologists have written about the Ramapough people." → Citations to reliable sources needed. 
* "Accounts have changed related to research that has revealed more archeological, historical, linguistic, and other evidence, as well as because of social attitudes." → Needs copy editing for clarity; citation(s) to reliable source(s) needed.
* "As with other multiracial peoples seeking recognition as Native American tribes, the Ramapough Mountain Indians have encountered differences of opinion over the significance of ethnic ancestry in contrast to cultural and community identity in being recognized as a distinct culture.: → As written, this sentence constitutes original research. 
* "The Ramapo were a Munsee-speaking band of the Lenape, an Algonquian language-speaking people who occupied a large territory throughout coastal areas of the mid-Atlantic states and along the Delaware River valley." → Does not conform with Wikipedia policy on verifiability.
* "Bands were typically named after their geographic region. Early European colonists thought they were different peoples, but all were Lenape." → All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds material.
* "Ramapo villages were recorded in the late seventeenth century in western Connecticut, near present-day Bethel and Ridgefield." → According to whom? As written, this sentences constitutes original research and thus violates Wikipedia policy.  Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 04:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples 

message: Thank you. Your suggestions are noted. I agree with you about the different ways to be recognized. Unfortunately, most people seem to be hung on Federal Recognition and DNA to prove it. This is what has been addressed in this wiki. We want to be sure the facts are presented. The questions you raise all had verifiable sources at one time but over time other editors have removed much of the sources by rewriting or removing them altogether.  I will post all of these resources here again.
Ramapoughnative (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verifiable Resources 

message: "Ramapo villages were recorded in the late seventeenth century in western Connecticut, near present-day Bethel and Ridgefield." → According to whom? As written, this sentences constitutes original research and thus violates Wikipedia policy. Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 04:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 10:20, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridgefield Connecticut Ramapo lands 

message: "A number of local historians, genealogists, and archeologists have written about the Ramapough people." → Citations to reliable sources needed.
William Harlem Jr. 1948 - https://tputaawii-xuwii-pambiilak.org/media/books-media/board-of-regents-of-the-smithsonian-institute/
F.G. Spect 1908 - https://tputaawii-xuwii-pambiilak.org/media/books/amrican-museum-of-natural-history-nyc/
Alanson Skinner
Ed Lenik 1997, 1999 - https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/1246694.Edward_J_Lenik'''
More to come Ramapoughnative (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Very helpful. The links by themselves don't meet Wikipedia standards for reliable sources, but if you can find the actual books and cite the book, with page number(s), that would be great. Make sure to include all the required information in the reference. Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 10:14, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local historians... 

message: What happened to the reference to the Writ and the BIA recognition in court? You mentioned "Stated a bit differently, it might be best to not concentrate too much on federal recognition", but the lack of federal recognition is in the 1st paragraph read?
The State of New Jersey declared us as remnants of the Algonquin and Iroquois nations, so why does it say, "The Ramapough state they are descendents", instead of "The Ramapough are descendents"? 
"Be it resolved by the general assembly of the state of new jersey that the Ramapough Mountain People of the Ramapogh Mountains of Bergen and Passaic counties, descendants of the Iroquois and Algonquin nations, are hereby designated by the state of new jersey as the Ramapough Mountain Indians". reference is above.
Ramapoughnative (talk) 04:33, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writ 

message: Um What happened to talking on the talk page BEFORE tagging it in dispute as NPOV? The NPOV rules state "Simply being of the opinion that a page is not neutral is not sufficient to justify the addition of the tag. Tags should be added as a last resort." Either we can talk about it or it goes.
Ramapoughnative (talk) 21:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I removed the multiple issues tag (diff) with the following edit description: "The article has improved since I placed the multiple problems tag. Thank you to all the Wikipedians who have contributed. The article still needs editing, but progress has been achieved." Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 15:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: None of these issues have been addressed. The recent edits were minor copy-editing and removal of these statements: "Their president was listed as Duane Perry in 2016. Their treasurer was listed as Dwaine Perry in 2018," presumably obsolete. Yuchitown (talk) 01:18, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I was referring to edits made over the last 10 months since I placed the multiple issues tag on the article. But I'm not going to "tag war". I'll leave it to others to decide when and how to improve the article. Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/him] 05:29, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple issues tag removed 

message: you can discuss the article here on its talk page. I found the 990s on GuideStar and can update later. Everything added needs a wp:reliable, published secondary source. Read wp:cite for more info. Yuchitown (talk) 23:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating nonprofit information