Talk:Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority

message: I find the heavy/light rail distinction confusing and overly-technical in a manner that is pretentious and uncommonly used.  "Rapid transit" is a much more common phrase for the technology used by MARTA in the United States.  Rail Rapid Transit, or RRT, specifically describes the kind of metro service pitched by the FTA to systems like DC Metro, BART, and MARTA, so as to entertain the idea that "light rail" rapid transit systems can still be rapid transit, LRT.  Describing the types of transit service provided by an agency does not seem to follow any kind of template on Wikipedia.  I propose that the "heavy rail" section be renamed "rapid transit."  I'll leave this comment on here for a few days before changing it.69.94.192.147 (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Heavy rail" terminology 

message: I cleaned up some of the wording in the last paragraph of the funding section.  My intent was to make it easier to read, while correcting a few factual inaccuracies (i.e. MARTA has mentioned that it might have to cut one day of service, of which a weekday was mentioned once, and Sunday has been mentioned in all other cases).
Honestly, I'm happy with the "Georgia General Assembly caused" language already there before my edit, but I'm open to discussion about whether or not caused by inaction is a good construction.
I would like to have a section on the ARC funding plug mentioned.69.94.192.147 (talk) 11:45, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing budget crisis 

message: I'm going to delete the following line from the article: "Opposition to MARTA from neighboring counties has been primarily due to MARTA's poor service, consistent record of delays, and crimes occurring on MARTA buses and rail platforms."
Here's why:
1. It has a "citation needed" tag, and no citation has been provided.
2. There's valid debate that perhaps should not be waded into here that MARTA is, in fact, opposed by neighboring counties for the reasons of racism and anti-urban fear, not primarily for the reasons provided in this sentence.
3. "Poor service" and "consistent record of delays" are refuted by later parts of the article, specifically MARTA rail's 90+% on-time performance statistics.  Also, without a citation, and being qualitative measures, I think they reveal editorializing POV.
4. While crime perhaps factors in to fears about MARTA service, "occurring and rail platforms" is poorly-worded without a citation.  I know of a few high-profile crime-related incidents involved at MARTA, but many have not occurred inside the physical agency itself.  This was a point of debate with the woman who was abducted from a MARTA parking lot and then assaulted off-premises, for instance.  Also, many specifically fear MARTA because they fear people will (I'm not entertaining this notion, by the way, just describing it) take the train, get off, steal something, carry it back to the train, get back on, and ride off.  Or they think it will bring a "bad element" into the area, or whatever.  My point being, if you want to talk about fears of crime being a reason the suburbs don't pick up MARTA, perhaps it should be described more accurately and cited.
I think that's grounds for removal without waiting for a response, but there's always a revert if you disagree.  Just post something here if you revert, please. 69.94.192.147 (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Opposition to MARTA from neighboring counties" line 

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replies: text: Striking out the suggestions I changed in the article.  Biomedeng 02:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review from automated javascript tool [[User:AndyZ/peerreviewer|peerreviewer ]] 

message: Should we create a new article for performance data?  I think it is important to have more than one year's worth of data in order to show trends in MARTA's operation.  However I am fine with just the latest year's data being shown in the main article if the rest of the data is easily available through a sub-page. AubieTurtle 04:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe we should put this in a section in the MARTA history article.  I was thinking of adding fare historical data (maybe a graph) to the history subarticle.  Biomedeng 02:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding the data to the history article sounds like a good idea.  We'd just need to be sure to add a link to that section from the main article's performance section. AubieTurtle 21:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance Data 

message: The article states "As a result the MARTA system only operates within the boundaries of the City of Atlanta, Fulton County, and DeKalb County, with additional limited bus service to Cobb County."  Technically this is incorrect as the airport rail station is in Clayton County.  The inclusion of the City of Atlanta while excluding other cities such as Doraville, College Park, East Point, Decatur, Dunwoody, and several others gives the wrong impression.  Either we should list all of the cities or just the counties. The way it is now could lead readers to believe that Atlanta is the only city served by MARTA.  If the City of Atlanta extended into a county other than Fulton or DeKalb while MARTA provided service in that area, then it would make sense to explicitly list the City of Atlanta. Since bus service goes to just about every incorporated area of Fulton and DeKalb, the list of cities would be long so it might be better to just remove "City of Atlanta". AubieTurtle 04:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you sure the Airport MARTA station is in Clayton County?  If you look at the MARTA website for Airport station it shows the address as Atlanta, Georgia.  I also read the wikipedia article on Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport which says parts of the Airport are in Fulton County and parts in Clayton, and that part of the Airport is in the city limits of Atlanta.  Another link is somewhat contradictory: MARTA on Google Maps.  Can anyone find some definitive information whether or not the station is in Fulton County or the City of Atlanta?  The reason I put the city of atlanta in the header is because it has a controlling interest in MARTA, but I see your point and perhaps it should be removed from the lead section.  Biomedeng 02:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Google Earth shows county boundries and that's where I was able to determine that the station is actually in Clayton County.  Also the Wikipedia article on Clayton County claims that the airport station is in Clayton , though they don't cite a source. AubieTurtle 21:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for being so slow on this...I've removed the reference to the city of Atlanta, since your point about the other cities served by MARTA is well taken.  I checked Google Earth as well and the station is definately in Clayton County.  I am still perplexed how MARTA operates in Clayton County and if they sought their permission or if it isn't an issue because the City of Atlanta owns most of the land the Airport sits on.  Perhaps we should add a line in the intro about how MARTA technically also operates in Clayton County?  Biomedeng 23:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The legal jurisdiction of the airport appears to be a complex subject.  A few years ago the City of Atlanta asked Clayton County to pass a law making it legal for Atlanta police officers to use arrest powers in the Clayton portion of the airport.  Clayton County insisted that Atlanta officers already had that power since the airport belongs to the city but passed the law anyway just to be safe.  More recently Clayton County has looked at passing a sales tax that would only be collected at the airport and only in the part that is outside of the City of College Park.  So you have at least three municipalities involved at the airport.  The legality of building the airport station may be related to the original law that created MARTA that included Clayton County even though Clayton never voted to fund MARTA.  Or it could be that no one bothered to file a lawsuit against MARTA when they built the airport station since it would have just resulted in a special law being passed allowing MARTA at the airport.  I have no actual facts that we can add to the article to explain the situation.  Perhaps we should just add a footnote that explains that while Clayton is not a funding member of MARTA that the airport station is a few hundred yards in that county.  This makes the article correct while not giving the false impression that MARTA has full service to Clayton. AubieTurtle 17:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Two things:  I think that the Airport MARTA station is in a discontiguous part of City of Atlanta, which may or may not (as far as I know) include Clayton County.  In any event, and really my second point, specifically including City of Atlanta as part of the MARTA service area clears up that issue.  The other reason to include the MARTA service area in the description is because it is one of the three distinct jurisdictions that comprise the "service area" when decisions about, say, extending or enforcing the sales tax are rendered.  (To make matters more confusing, but in a way that does not detract, I think, from what I'm saying, Clayton County, as per the ol' state MARTA-enabling legislation, has begun raising a 1% sales tax in the Clayton County portion of the Airport to fund MARTA's contract with Clayton to run C-Tran.)68.209.119.35 03:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service Area 

message: Crossposted from User talk:Biomedeng so that everyone else can comment:
Hello there. I've changed Lindbergh Center (MARTA station) to use the new standardized templates developed by Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains. Before I roll these out to the rest of the network I was wondering what you thought of the new look and had any concerns/objections/polemics. Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 22:50, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me.  I was wondering if the station name go above the picture?  I like the idea of more parameters, but since I am a novice with wikipedia templates can you point us to a guide for how to use the infobox to the fullest?  Perhaps there is another rapid transit system which has already implemented these infoboxes?  Or are you willing to work with us to implement this on all the station pages?  Biomedeng 23:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The convention has been to have the name below the image. There's full documentation of the main template at :Template talk:Infobox Station. The station template is in use in a number of places: Amtrak stations, some Washington Metro, Dallas Area Rapid Transit, PATH. I'm also more than willing to implement this on every page myself; I'd feel better having a go-ahead from the actual maintainers! Mackensen (talk) 01:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the new template. If you're willing to put in the work to convert the stations over, I have no objections to the new format. AubieTurtle 17:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the consensus appears to be to convert all the templates.  Feel free to keep going (I've noticed you've done a few more stations) but let me know if you need any help.  Biomedeng 20:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll keep at it. I find I'm on a bit of a break at the moment, but it'll get done. Mackensen (talk) 21:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Regarding rail line colors, the maps are all over the place, including the website, so even if they were created on a lark by someone in the marketing department, the new line colors appear to be MARTA policy now and I think the article should reflect that. AubieTurtle 04:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to look into creating new templates for the Red North Springs line and the Green Proctor Creek line and hopefully change it in the next week.  In the mean time it seems that some anonymous user has edited every marta station page and replaced the line parameter in the infobox from a template to a hard-coded text.  This is frustrating to me, because the purpose of having a line template is so that we can edit the template and have the changes propogate to all of the station pages.  I will also revert these changes back to the template, and if there is some desire to reformat the font color of the line then the editors should simply edit the template.  Biomedeng 03:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created seperate lines, adding the red (north springs) and green (bankhead) colors.  Biomedeng 01:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The yellow line has also very recently been changed to the gold line.  Somebody should be able to verify this with the AJC.Joseph398 (talk) 05:25, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station templates 

message: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a court of law.  It does not matter that the chairman received oral sex from a man he met on Craigslist.  If he had received oral sex from a woman he met at Pizza Hut, it would have still been the same situation.  What is important is the illegal act and the effect it has had on his position at MARTA.  Otherwise we should include all kinds of details such as the color pants he was wearing, which bathroom stall they were in, and if he is circumcised.  None of that matters, only that he committed this particular crime and that it caused him to resign. The rest is fluff and serves only to inflate an article that is already too heavy on current events and lacks the ability to put events in the correct perspective of an encyclopedia article that covers several decades of history.  Six months from now all of these details will seem out of place. 76.17.65.206 22:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's just stating a fact. Your points about the specific details do not belong, but there's a difference between hooking up at a restaurant and hooking up via craigslist. - Penwhale | Blast the Penwhale 22:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the difference between craigslist and a restaurant in any way, shape, or form relevant to MARTA, a TRANSIT SYSTEM?  All that matters is that he committed a crime that has caused him to step down as the chairman of MARTA.  If it is just stating a fact, then once again, we should include all the facts such as the other man's name, height, bellybutton type, etc.  None of it is relevant. This is an article about MARTA, not the Atlanta police blotter.  Should we go back an include the name of the 150 passengers on the train that derailed?  Their names are facts but unimportant to the article.  The same is true of the details of this matter and once again, it only serves to bloat the article and cause it to get a poor external assessment for not being able to put events in their proper historical perspective.  We should be consistent with the level of detail in the article.  Putting in every detail of this incident makes this a current events article and not an encyclopedia article. This is Wikipedia, not Wikinews! 76.17.65.206 23:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should not sensationalize the story with juicy facts.  The paper reported that Wall met the man on Craigslist because it sounds more scandalous.  Since this is the MARTA article we should only discuss facts relevant to MARTA.  Wall was arrested for crime X and had to resign as chairman.  Wall is only notable for working for MARTA and getting arrested.  Someone else already created an article on Wall to try and discuss more of the details about him (work history, marital status, number of kids, etc) but this was deemed not notable and was deleted by an administrator.  Penwhale, I am not sure why you are so interested in the issue since you haven't been editing the article?  Are you genuinely interested in helping out with the MARTA article or more interested in helping with conflict resolution?  Biomedeng 02:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Judging from other edits made to Wikipedia articles by the anonymous user(s) who refuse to justify their edits on the talk page, it appears that we have a couple (or perhaps just one) keyword warrior on our hands, determined to grind their ideological axe and win a victory for their cause.  The details of who Mr. Wall met and how he met him are not important to this article.  If these anonymous edits continue, we should speedily move into the conflict resolution process and perhaps have a lock placed on the article to prohibit anonymous edits. AubieTurtle 14:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chairman Arrest 

message: I stumbled across WP:TRAIL and thought this template might give a better result than what we currently ahve on List of MARTA stations.  Take a look at User:Biomedeng/sandbox for an idea on what it would look like for our system.  Unfortunately the template makes everything in red.  I would appreciate input if this effort is worthwhile.  Biomedeng 03:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway line templates 

message: Good morning (GMT time); I have reviewed this article on 03:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, just stopped by to have a look at the article and see it made it to GA. Congrats guys and Biomedeng especially, I see you have put tons of work into this article since the whole Kokayi thing(which is I why have strayed away, for fear dealing with more like him). Just wanted to say Congrats! Amazingracer 21:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GA|Good Article]] [[WP:GAC|'''Nomination''']] 

message: Currently the safety section only covers mechanical problems such as derailments.  I think the next big topic for us to tackle should be crime, especially since the public perception is very misaligned with the actual crime figures.  The  police section of MARTA's website has some data that could serve as a start. It might also be helpful to gather statistics both from other transit systems and metro Atlanta communities in order to give MARTA's crime statistics some context. I'm not sure what will be the best way to present this data, perhaps table form? AubieTurtle 00:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definately this would be a good section/subsection to start.  I agree that there is a perception (or misperception) about crime on MARTA and any quantitative information would be of great help to validate/invalidate the perception.  Maybe some general trends (crime is up or crime is down) and maybe a comparison to city/county statistics?  Does MARTA publish a crimes per 1000 people figure that we could compare to areas of metro Atlanta?  --Biomedeng 03:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen the stats in crimes per 1000 passengers before but I don't remember if it was the website, annual report or somewhere else.  I'll search around and see if I can find them.  AubieTurtle 21:56, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The statement that MARTA was voted safest transit 18 of the last 23 years is marked citation needed. It also needs clarification: safest where? In the state? In the US? In North America? In the World? And by whom? And the last 23 years since when (2008, 1990)? According to the Official MARTA history pages, it was designated safest in the nation in '75, '81, '84, '88, '89, '90, and '91. Most reference that the designation is by the American Public Transit Association. The 1990 listing says it was designated safest in the US 11 times since entering in 1974. The 1991 listing says it's the fifth time it was safest in North America. The APTA site says their safety rating is based on injuries and fatalities not related to criminal activity, which may be an important distinction. Also, the word "voted" seem inaccurate. It wasn't based on a public opinion poll, but rather an analysis of the statistics of accidents. I haven't been able to find any listing of "safest transit systems" on the APTA site. 209.159.37.194 (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually the statement was under Criticism->Criminal Activity, not safety. Since the "safest" claim was both un-cited and is related operational non-criminal safety, I removed it from that section. If we can verify the truth, it would be a good addition to the Safety section. It may be misleading to list so many specific incidents without any context of how safe MARTA is relative to other transit systems. There will always be some accidents. I did find this press release repeating the safest 18 of 23 years claim, however it's for an unrelated business and clearly not authoritative. 209.159.37.194 (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety Section 

message: MARTA has a new Rail Map on their website. It no longer has the "Green Line" and just lumps Proctor Creek in with East-West. Amazingracer 16:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What?  It seems like the opposite of what you're saying is true.  That link shows a green, blue, red, a some orange/yellow number lines.  What you're saying is the case used to be true; honestly, to a passenger, MARTA seems to be moving away from the two-lines-with -two-spurs-noted-by-cardinal-direction, and towards the colored four-line system, like agencies like WMATA note their lines. 68.209.119.35 03:20, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Map changed back to the original one now. Amazingracer 18:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Rail Map 

message: I just noticed the redirect from Marta has been removed. I checked the history there, it was actually removed back in May. Do we need to put the redirect back? Other wise we whould probably take out the note at the top of this article about "Marta" redirecting here. Amazingracer 18:26, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think having Marta redirect to the disambig page rather than here is probably best.  I'll go ahead and remove that note. –Pedriana (talk) 03:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree about the recent change.  While I am biased for working on this article, the Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority is the most common usage of the term by an order of magnitude over all of the other things on the disambiguation page.  Thus, it should be the redirect from Marta per wikipedia consenus.  It is frustrating that another user User:Trialsanderrors would undertake such a change w/o discussion here.  Also I am going to point out that if we do agree that the redirect should be to the disambiguation page we should re-name the disambiguation page to Marta instead of Marta (disambiguation) per Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming_conventions.  Another thing is that we need to go and check to make sure that MARTA links in other articles point here if they are supposed to (I have taken care of many of these months ago, but there may still be some and whomever changes redirects needs to follow up on the affected links).  One more thing is that MARTA redirects here and not to the disambiguation page; where should this link point?  I am going to invite Trialsanderrors to participate in the discussion here.  Biomedeng 02:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree BioMed, the redirect should be put back. I didnt want to change it on my own (not sure how and didnt want to make waves). I was suprised to see that the change happened with no discussion on the disambig page or here. Amazingracer 20:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

text: JHunterJ replaced the redirect. Thanks! Amazingracer 01:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but where's the discussion on this that led to consensus? I think Marta should link to the disambiguation page - while maybe not the case in the US, I think Marta (the soccer player) is probably more well known in the world in general (search google for Marta, and her wikipedia article outranks this one, although MARTA's website outranks them both). Moszczynski 22:37, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The redirect has actually been there for a while, several years in fact. This discussion was on why it was removed with no warning. I also think that by your logic of google searches, since MARTA(this one) is the first hit for "marta", then the page should redirect here. Amazingracer (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While not an expert on Google, I do know that it is attuned to its users' search habits. I live in Sweden and I'm interested in football (soccer), so Marta the football player (who plays in Sweden) completely dominates my search results. So I'm not sure that you can use Google as some kind of evidence for which topic is the most popular, since it's all relative. I also want to note (FWIW) that searching for "metropolitan atlanta rapid transit authority" yields 313 hits while searching for "marta vieira da silva" yields 15,600 - though I don't know if that's because I use Google Sweden and not google.com. Anyway, the point is that I think that in Europe and Brazil, the reference "Marta = the football player" is much more common than "Marta = the transit authority", which, I would contend, the absolutely overwhelming majority of people outside North America has never ever heard of. And of course, other people will make their own inferences to yet other things. Conclusion: I strongly urge that the redirect be shifted back to the disambig.David ekstrand (talk) 09:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect Gone

message: I am going to work on the article some more this weekend, mainly performing copyediting for clarity.  I condensed some of the criticism seciton since I thought it was somewhat repetitive.  I eliminated a couple of statemtents that were tagged for citations.  I also removed the Bus Garages section since it didn't seem to add much.
Here is the rest of my to do list:
*Add some info about the New Year's escalator problems under safety
*Condense down the Governance and Funding sections
*Add some more ADA info regarding the Martin v MARTA case 
Someone recently added some stats regarding ridership in the race criticism section.  The stats are very helpful and add a great deal to the article, but unfortunately without a reference cannot remain.  
I would like to get a picture of an ADA paratransit van for the paratransit section.  I'll try to keep a lookout for one on flikr but if anyone has they want to upload to wikipedia that would be great.  
I came across this little gem tonight:  .  It is a detailed history of the construction of MARTA.  It has some good old pictures of MARTA and I am going to check sometime to find out if it is a US Gov't publication (if so we can use the pictures on the history page).  Maybe worthwhile to add some of the subway construction info to the article as well.  
I'd like to request a peer review soon on the article to see what else needs to be done for Featured article status.  I asked the folks on the Trains wikiproject to reassess this article over a year ago and never heard back, so I am not sure who would do the peer review.  I hope some of the regular editors can help out with suggestions on additional editing of this article.  Biomedeng (talk) 02:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now formally requested a peer review of this artice.  Biomedeng (talk) 04:15, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When using the   is it supposed go between every number? Or just measurements. Because I went back through and was going to change some more of them like the part about 554 buses, but wasnt sure if it belonged there. Amazingracer (talk) 22:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am confused by this as well and only stuck to measurements when I added the non breaking space, but it probably wouldn't hurt to have it everywhere between a number and a word.  Biomedeng (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More editing and Peer Review 

message: What do others think about this new image going at the top of the article:</br>
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I was thinking of replacing the nort avenue train image with this one since it is a nice picture of downtown Atlanta.  Thoughts?  Biomedeng (talk) 03:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely; this is a great quality photo.  The North Avenue photo could be moved.--JKeene (talk) 21:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: My only concern is that the car in the picture is one of old styles of rail cars and not one of the new cars or renovated cars. Amazingracer (talk) 03:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  new image at the top of the article 

message: I've noticed some vandalism done to this page. I have corrected it.
128.192.56.141 (talk) 21:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: In accordance with what I stated above, I have now shifted the redirect for "Marta" back to the disambig. David ekstrand (talk) 15:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that only one user has expressed interest in removing the redirect and did so with out discussing it here on the talk page the redirect has been replaced. Please do Not remove the redirect again with out discussing it here with valid reasons on why it was removed in the first place. Please note that this article is rated higher above all the other articles, and also note that a Google search for "marta", places this MARTA at the top links. Google Search: marta  Amazingracer (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the the redirect should go to the disambiguation page. There's a number of factors to take into account here, but I think a basic test is to look at the number of page views for each article. It seems like it's much of a muchness really; Marta Vieira da Silva has been viewed 3512 times this month, compared with 3195 hits for Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority. Ignoring the massive spike in interest in mid-January for the football player, the statistics show page hits are also very similar in January, and in pretty much all the months I looked at there is no significant "winner" in hits between the two. So Wikipedia readers seem to have equal interest in the two topics. Given that I'm not even considering the other uses of the word Marta listed on the disambiguation page, and that the current best women's footballer in the world undoubtedly has as much if not more global interest than a local railway system, I think the redirect should go to the disambiguation page. Hammer Raccoon (talk) 01:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to throw in my $0.02, I agree that the redirect should point to the disambiguation page, both based on the number of page views cited by Hammer Raccoon, but also because Marta is a common name. Given that, there are far to many possible searches to choose one particular usage as the primary redirect for "Marta" or "marta". (As opposed to the proper "MARTA".) This seems to me to be the exact sort of situation that disambig pages were created for.oknazevad (talk) 15:08, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Fine by me. You presented solid facts for the change rather than blindly changing because you personally think the redirect should be moved. Thanks for the facts guys!Amazingracer (talk) 20:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect removed

message: This page could really use a lot of help.
Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority at CPTDB Wiki  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.56.31.24 (talk) 00:09, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  MARTA at CPTDB Wiki 

message: There is now a full system map available at http://www.itsmarta.com/maps/viewer.asp. It's embedded in a Flash player, so you can't grab a PDF, but it does exist so I'm removing the comment that no system map is available. Patrick Sewell (talk) 18:40, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  System Map 

message: I read the discussion page for SEPTA, which is named SEPTA, not the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority, and realized that this page should be moved to MARTA. Read the Wikipedia guidelines on naming here: WP:NAME. The page should be moved because the agency is always referred to by its abbreviation/acronym "MARTA," just like NASA, NATO, etc. I will not move the page now, but if there is disagreement, then there should be discussion with the editors of the SEPTA article. These two pages should be consistent because they are very similar.  Earlopogous 22:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections here. Amazingracer (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move page to MARTA 

message: The GeorgiaCarry.org lawsuit does not seem notable enough to be included in this article.  Why only list this lawsuit of all of the lawsuits filed against Marta over the years.68.217.81.85 (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like this lawsuit is over Judge rules against It does not seem notable enough to include in this.68.223.123.230 (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawsuit 

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message: I don't know why this pseudo-acronym hasn't been included in the article, since (whether anyone likes it or not) it's apparently been quite well-known in the region for at least 30 years... AnonMoos (talk) 01:31, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It was removed from the "Effects of race on expansion and funding" section by an IP user without explanation, so I re-added it. Raymond1922 (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks... AnonMoos (talk) 08:22, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: "moving Africans rapidly through Atlanta"

message: Expansion plans - Previous expansion plans - "The final three MARTA rail stations to be built, Dunwoody, Sandy Springs and North Springs - all north of the Interstate 285 Perimeter, were opened in 2000" - Sandy Springs and North Springs opened in 2000; Dunwoody opened much earlier along with Medical Center & Buckhead.
96.88.198.77 (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dunwoody 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. It looks like editors don't agree whether this is actually the primary topic of MARTA, or whether MARTA should instead go to a dab page. Without consensus the page cannot be moved.   (t · c) buidhe 01:27, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Metropolitan Atlanta Rapid Transit Authority →  – "MARTA" is the common name for the organization, per its own website. MARTA already redirects to the longer title, and is the primary topic per this RFD. BilCat (talk) 02:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: MARTA has been redirecting here since 2010, has already gone to RfD (as noted by OP, with no consensus to move), and there is a hatnote at the top. I don't think anybody is going to be too misdirected by this move. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 00:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: RFD discussion of "MARTA" was conducted in 2013 and was in a time when someone named "Marta" was virtually unknown. But this time, situation is changed. 36.77.93.241 (talk) 07:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless you can provide reliable sources that she is known as "MARTA", the point is totally irrelevant. BilCat (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 March 2021 

message: Can you tell me why the term "its" is used in the website name?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 03:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The website's name's first part 

message: Can you tell me the bus fleet development with retirement reasons and dates?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clrichey (talk • contribs) 05:58, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bus fleet development with retirement reasons and dates