Talk:Robert Armin

message: It seems that the content added by User:Linza is original research. Despite looking like the user wrote it himself/herself (based on the information supplied), original research is not  material for wikipedia. (See WP:NOR). Can anyone comment on that? Thanks.
--Poli 13:24, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)
== emendation and wikified content ==
The content of this article was pure scholarly research paper. Must have been cut and pasted by User:Linza from her own research paper. I made several changes so that this article could be wikified:
*I removed references to her name and the context of this writing
he was an idiot
*I removed the paragraph dealing with Elizabethan fools (not the subject here)
*I removed the paragraph dealing with William Kemp (there's already an article about him in wikipedia)
*I removed the paragraph dealing with Richard Tarleton (sic) and added it to the article about Richard Tarlton
*I created subtitles
*I removed specific references to the books quoted as sources for copyright reasons. 
Hope it might get approval now.
The dating 1580-1612 can hardly be correct if he was apprenticed in 1581, and indeed it seems to be wrong; online Britannica dates him ca. 1568-1615, http://search.eb.com/shakespeare/micro/729/86.html
== Revaluation, please ==
Foole upon Foole clearly establishes Armin as a major source - or indeed, the inventor - of intellectual humour, and in particular of the pun. It's called English humour on the Continent because it was only adopted there in the 20th Century - we find René Goscinny's Astérix texts of the 1970s succeeding for this reason, as he cut fresh ground almost unknown in France before then. I think you should use Armin's own work as justification for upgrading that aspect, not as original research, but as a statement of the agenda which he clearly worked out in the plays.
The totally distinctive nature of his humour is one of the prime pieces of evidence that the Shakespeare folio was not uniquely the work of the Bard himself, for all that he can be traced into the main layout, but that it was rather exactly as it presented itself to be, the transcription of the pieces as performed at the time of publication, in other words as worked up by the company as a whole in performance over a number of years. That too should be mentioned.
== Iago? ==
Harold Bloom, in his "Invention of the Human" book, makes the interesting speculation that Armin may have originated the role of Iago in OTHELLO.  Like Touchstone, Feste, and the Fool, Iago is a servant who is more shrewd and articulate than his "betters", knows how to manipulate words and logic for effect, and in one scene of Act II even entertains the others with satirical songs, as Armin does in other plays.  Bloom admits there is no proof of his hypothesis. 
CharlesTheBold (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: =Original Research?

message: Harold Bloom, in his "Invention of the Human" book, makes the interesting speculation that Armin may have originated the role of Iago in OTHELLO.  Like Touchstone, Feste, and the Fool, Iago is a servant who is more shrewd and articulate than his "betters", knows how to manipulate words and logic for effect, and in one scene of Act II even entertains the others with satirical songs, as Armin does in other plays.  Bloom admits there is no proof of his hypothesis. 
CharlesTheBold (talk) 21:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iago?