Talk:Javanese language

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:Yes I'll look into it. Meursault2004 00:13, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: IPA

message: I edit in many small chunks. In an effort to not add tons of editing incidents to the main article, I'm gonna put them in User:Bubamara/Javanese_language and then merge the whole thing in one fell swoop. Or maybe 2 or 3 fell swoops.  Also, I'm dumb and put the discussion on my user page, so here it is, reconstructed.  Bubamara 08:25, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sunda was/is a region, located  in West Java. Well actually that is the name of an ethnic group and their language. Madura, Bali and Lombok are the names of other isles.  Meursault2004 11:24, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: I think this sentence is in bad English. Maybe the writer meant to say: "The Western Javanese dialect, spoken in West Java (particularly in the north coast region), contains sub-dialects, which are distinct for their Sundanese language influences and which still contain many archaic words. The sub-dialects are "Serang Javanese", "North coastal Javanese", "Indramayu Javanese" or Dermayon  and "Cirebon Javanese" or Basa Cerbon." Or perhaps you can render it into a better sentence! BTW [...]  still contain many archaic words, is non NPOV. Meursault2004 00:07, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedit

message: Although Banyumasan is a member of the Western Javanese language group, it is not synonimous. Some western Javanese dialects have different histories than Banyumasan dialect. Meursault2004 08:39, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting (by hand) many of the edits equating Banyumasan with Western Javanese. Bubamara 08:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Western Javanese is not Banyumasan

message: *In the table, are there really no figures for the number of Javanese speakers in Jakarta?  And is there a reason the total percentage is left out?
* "It is estimated that at least 33 % of the population is of Javanese descent and as such speak Javanese or have knowledge of it." Is that 33% of the population of Java?
Bubamara 08:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I meant 33 % of the population of Jakarta :-) The exact number of Javanese speakers in Jakarta is unknown so I left it out. Meursault2004 08:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  demographic distribution 

message: I've just adjusted the number of Javanese speakers in Lampung. Previously it was 80 %, this number  proves to be too high. It is about 61 %. Meursault2004 14:28, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Javanese speakers in Lampung

message: Is Javanese mutually intelligible to any degree with Bahasa Indonesia/Malaysia, Sundanese, Madurese or Balinese? Thanks. ~ Dpr 04:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Javanese is rather different than Malay although both are related. The relationship between both languages is similar as the relationship between let's say English and Danish. Javanese is actually also quite distant from Sundanese, Madurese and Balinese. But due to Javanese influence (=colonialism) in the past, these three languages have undergone a heavy process of Javanisation. So in the higher registers of these latter languages, there are many Javanese loanwords. The literary language and the so-called krama variants of Sundanese, Balinese and to a lesser degree Madurese are more or less mutually intelligible with (High) Javanese. So a short conclusion would be that the grammar of Sundanese, Madurese, and Balinese are different from Javanese. However, these four languages have a similar vocabulary. Meursault2004 07:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay. It's nice to hear :-) Meursault2004 10:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mutual intelligibility

message: What does inferred mean in the context of the lead section? It should be made clear for people that don't know. Thanks - Taxman Talk 18:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you'll have to ask Bubamara, I think ... Meursault2004 20:02, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: * Hi,  I tracked it down to this.  Basically, an anonymous user (58.178.44.145) changed the 1st paragraph for the worse about 4 months ago.  I reverted those offending edits.  Thanks for catching that.  Bubamara 02:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inferred? 

message: Hi, I am Y4n, I have made the jav template to support proper rendering of Javanese Script in wikipedia articles, since the  template has not been filled yet. And so, for displaying the Javanese characters in wikipedia articles, please consider using the jav template, or you can modify the  template here (still blank). Y4n (talk) 16:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The <i>jav</i> and <i>&#123;&#123;Script|Java&#125;&#125;</i> Template

message: In the vowel chart under the Phonology section, /i/ and /u/ are marked as open vowels and /a/ is marked as a closed vowel. Shouldn't this be the other way around? Compare this with the full chart in the Vowel article. 85.250.169.45 (talk) 21:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible error in vowel chart 

message: In Dialects of modern Javanese part, I found this words:
:Sultan Pakubuwono X of Surakarta. Surakarta has been a center of Javanese culture, and its dialect is regarded as the most "refined".
It's lil bit incorrect because the ruler of Surakarta monarchy is not a Sultan, but a Sunan. It's different with its neighbor, Yogyakarta. Yogyakarta is a Sultanate, officially named Sultanate of Yogyakarta (Javanese: Kasultanan Ngayogyakarta), ruled by a Sultan, while Surakarta is a Sunanate, officially named Sunanate of Surakarta (Javanese: Kasunanan Surakarta), ruled by a Sunan. The titles are different. It's like comparing a Tsar with a King. It should be:
:Sunan Pakubuwono X of Surakarta. Surakarta has been a center of Javanese culture, and its dialect is regarded as the most "refined".
I hope somebody can fix it. Thank you.
Yofan Pratama P (talk) 22:36, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunan, Not Sultan 

message: English Javanese vocabulary (1920)
https://archive.org/details/englishjavanesev00egnerich
Javaansche spraakkunst (1919)
https://archive.org/details/javaanschespraak00kiliuoft
Dictionnaire javanais-francais (1870)
https://archive.org/details/dictionnairejav00favrgoog
Javaansch-Nederduitsch handwoordenboek (1875)
https://archive.org/details/javaanschnederdu00geri
Handleiding bij de beoefening der Javaansche taal (1886)
https://archive.org/details/handleidingbijd01hollgoog
Über die Kawi-Sprache auf der Insel Java: nebst einer Einleitung über die Verschiedenheit des menschlichen Sprachbaues und ihren Einfluss auf die geistige Entwickelung des Menschengeschlechts, Volume 3 By Wilhelm Freiherr von Humboldt, Johann Karl Eduard Buschmann
http://books.google.com/books?id=cwYJAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Über die Kawi-sprache auf der insel Java, nebst einer einleitung über die verschiedenheit des menschlichen sprachbaues und ihren einfluss auf die geistige entwickelung des menschengeschlechts (1836)
https://archive.org/details/berdiekawisprac00buscgoog
https://archive.org/details/berdiekawisprac01buscgoog
https://archive.org/details/berdiekawisprac02buscgoog
https://archive.org/details/berdiekawisprac03buscgoog
https://archive.org/details/berdiekawisprac00unkngoog
Kawi-balineesch-nederlandsch woordenboek (1897)
https://archive.org/details/kawibalineeschn00tuukgoog
Kawi-Balineesch-Nederlandsch glossarium op het Oudjavaansche Râmâyana. Bewerkt door H.H. Juynboll. Uitg. door het Koninklijk Instituut voor de Taal-, Land- en Volkenkunde van Nederlandsch-Indië (1902)
https://archive.org/details/kawibalineeschne00juynuoft
Bhrata-Yuddha; oldjavaansch heldendicht, uitg. door J.G.H. Gunning (1903)
https://archive.org/details/bhratayuddhaoldj00gunnuoft
Glossaire explicatif des mots de provenance malaise et javanaise
https://archive.org/details/GlossaireExplicatifDesMotsDeProvenanceMalaiseEtJavanaise
Mémoire, lettres et rapports relatifs au cours de langues malaye et javanaise fait à la Bibliothèque royale pendant les années 1840-41, 1841-42, et à deux voyages littéraires entrepris en Angleterre, pendant les années 1838 et 1840 (1843)
https://archive.org/details/mmoirelettreset00dulagoog
http://www.lexilogos.com/english/javanese_dictionary.htm
Rajmaan (talk) 14:28, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, thanks for the list. I just found it out today. See also the resources that I've put in Commons: c:Early_Javanese_books, where I've uploaded 1870, 1875, 1886, 1903 in your list, among 50 others. But I haven't know about the 1920 before (it's rather hidden under "English" language there), and the 1919 spraakkunst (I have the same title, but from 1835 and 1843), so thank you for that. The Kawi-Balinese, unfortunately, doesn't fit in this collection. Bennylin (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

text: PS: for anyone interested to join the digitization project of those resources, you can go to oldwikisource:Jv and start transcribing there. Your work will be greatly appreciated. Bennylin (talk) 14:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Materials and sources on Javanese language 

message: I've noticed many "wrong" words here, so I decided to use å to differentiate Javanese words.
First, In "number" section, I've noticed that there is: 20 = rong puluh - kalih doso, the editors use doso instead of dasa/dåså. The word doso is absolutely wrong/false, because the right/true one is dasa(read: dåså)
Second, the word Kromo and Madyo, it's also wrong, because the word should written in Kråmå(Krama) and Madyå(Madya).
Third, Javanese language recognized vocal "a, å, â, i, ì, u, ù, é, è, ê, o, and ò" in order to avoid mispelling/pronouncing, so I decided to use "å", for example, in Javanese there is a word "lara" that should be pronounced "lårå", but most people that always written "loro" instead of "lara"/"lårå", "lårå" means "illness", and "loro" means "two". so, å and o is different think in Javanese.
Sorry for bad English, I'm Javanese speaker.--Mufidkce (talk) 10:26, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration 

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message: Tunggu Sivashankar.k (talk) 08:48, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Java country anguage  

message: Can somebody verify this, or explain it? "Krama (ꦏꦿꦩ). The polite and formal style. It is used between those of the same status when they do not wish to be informal."
To me it seems the more common use case of krama is not this, but the ones list after this sentence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.85.95 (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krama 

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message: Since javanese language is never recognized as official language for any country or province of any country. Also javanese language is not recognized official minority language anywhere. it even mentioned on List of largest languages without official status. can we just remove the content of  and  parameter of infobox.  (Ckfasdf (talk) 01:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Good you bring this up. We can either immediately remove the entries, or tag them as unsourced and remove them after some time has elapsed. In the case of Suriname, I couldn't find a source that confirms a recognized or protected status. To the contrary, the sole official language is Dutch, whereas the other spoken languages until now do not enjoy a special status, in spite of efforts towards that goal since 2011 (). –Austronesier (talk) 10:55, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  it may be official language of yogyakarta Sultanate, but that sultanate don't really have any executive/legislative power outside sultanate and it is located and part of SR yogyakarta province in Indonesia (which official language is Indonesian), so I believe we can safely remove content of . However for , I agree with your suggestion.(Ckfasdf (talk) 20:28, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Btw, is there any Indonesian province where Javanese has an officially/legally recognized or protected status? In such a case, we could actually add Indonesia to the minority parameter. –Austronesier (talk) 08:11, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  there are 3 provinces where majority are native speaker of Javanese (Central Java, East Java,SR Yogyakarta). after I look it up, only central java have a specific regulation about javanese language, javanese script, and javanese literature (link here), but the purpose of javanese language as mentioned in that regulation is to promote the usage of javanese language in the region, serve as regional identity, and complement indonesian language for govt use. East Java do have a regulation about education of regional languages (Javenese and Madurese) (link here). So I guess you can say that it is recognized in both provinces. However since Javanese people is actually majority in Indonesia , I dont know whether it is fit in  (Ckfasdf (talk) 00:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  No parameter applies here if taken literally, because this is one of the few cases in the world where a majority language has no official status at the national level. Maybe  can help who is both linguist and template editor. –Austronesier (talk) 12:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that most of the time I can't help with infobox stuff. Maybe bring it up on Template talk:Infobox language, or ask ? – Uanfala (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

text: - my mistake... I mixed up percentage of muslim and percentage of javenese... according to Statistics Indonesia, javanese people is around 40% [link here]. At any case, it still majority in Indonesia and I believe more speaker of Javanese than Indonesian (Ckfasdf (talk) 10:17, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

text: Regardless of plurality, what about if we take minority simply to mean the opposite of majority? Which makes every language of Indonesia a minority language. So we can add Indonesia to , specify the provinces involved, and add the sources mentioned by . Agree? –Austronesier (talk) 13:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I would expect the provinces there, presuming the sources hold up. I have little idea what this param is used for, as I've hardly ever used it myself. Don't know about Malaysia either. — kwami (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  refer to Template:Infobox language, explaination of  is list of countries in which it is a recognised minority language. This is intended for legal protection and similar de jure recognition, not simply being listed on a census and other de facto recognition.. so this parameter refer only to country, and based on that definition i assume we can safely remove that parameter as Javanese is not recognize at any country level. And regarding malaysia, the only official language there is malay language  (Ckfasdf (talk) 02:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  official status on infobox 

message: Where did these words even come from. They don't seem to have cognates with other Austronesian languages. Are they loans from pre-Austronesian Indo-Pacific languages?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.206.181.191 (talk) 00:35, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This talk page is not a forum. But to reformulate your point: yes, this article should have some more info about how Krama vocabulary was shaped. There are some sources about it, maybe some editor (including me) will find the time to make these additions. (Spoiler: no, Krama vocabulary was not built by means of borrowing from "Indo-Pacific" languages.) –Austronesier (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Krama 

message: Hi, I've seen that the Pegon Arabic writing for the sample text has been marked with a tag. 
Javanese Pegon has quite a lot of available research material as well as teaching material available to follow. It's been in the recent decade or two, standardized.
Below are the sources.
* Teaching material: https://www.tokopedia.com/el-sardapustaka/pedoman-panduan-latihan-belajar-menulis-membaca-pegon-pegon-jawa
*  On Pegon Script for Javanese language: Jamalin, F., & Rahman, A. A. (2021). Arabic-Java Writing System: How Javanese Language Adopts Arabic Script. Izdihar : Journal of Arabic Language Teaching, Linguistics, and Literature, 4(1), 43–58. https://doi.org/10.22219/jiz.v4i1.11337 (PDF)
BasilLeaf (talk) 23:10, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  On topic of sample text in Pegon Arabic script 

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message: Are the speaker figures from 2015 or 2024? The infobox says 2015, but the sources say 2024. which is it? 84.78.248.230 (talk) 13:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaker Figures