Talk:Minneapolis/Archive 1

message: Perhaps the sentence referring to north minneapolis as the "drug capital" of the upper midwest should be removed. It is extremely POV and inaccurate. ReverendG 22:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neighborhoods 

message: Do not put people who were not born in Minnesota in this part. When people look at the names they think they were born there when they were not.. don't place famous people there unless they were born in Minnesota.
Well, what about people who were born in the metro area?  They could be referred to as famous Minneapolitans even if they weren't born there.  I noticed the Coen Brothers aren't mentioned, even though they did start out making movies as teenagers in Minneapolis.  Although they were born outside of Minneapolis (in a suburb), they did spend a lot of their time in that city.Moebius42 21:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Minnepolitians 

message: It would be nice to have some hard statistics on crime, or even a mention about the sharp increase of foreign-born immigrants to the Twin Cities as a reason for increasing crime (a fact - look it up).
:Hello (unsigned). What source and statistics are you asking for? The table of crime data was added eight days ago. The source is the Minneapolis Police Department, the same reports and same numbers they give to the FBI. I don't think you will find any harder statistics. -Susanlesch 21:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crime

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Umm... we have to have some consensus as to how strict we are about where people live and where they were born. Neil Gaiman does not live in Minneapolis, he lives near it. Bob Dylan only lived in Minneapolis briefly. Al Franken was born and raised in Saint Louis Park, which is five minutes from downtown Minneapolis. He lived and got his comedic start in Minneapolis. If we are going to exclude some and not others, let's at least get out standards straight. For now, I am putting Franken back in.
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Amanda Wildefyre.
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A little girl from Minneapolis came home from Sunday School with a frown on her face.
"I'm not going back there anymore," she announced with finality. "I don't like the Bible they keep teaching us."
"Why not?" asked her astonished mother.
"Because," said the little girl, "the Bible is always talking about St. Paul, and it never once mentions Minneapolis."
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Minneapolis is a suburb, according to the Gospel of St. Paul.
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Isn't Honeywell also headquartered in Minneapolis? -- Zoe
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Yes.  So is Pillsbury. And Dairy Queen.  And Cargill, 
a grain-industry giant that does not deal directly with the-proverbial-person-on-the-street. Michael Hardy 02:18 Jan 20, 2003 (UTC)
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Also see Honeywell's Minnesota-based  Merger Mishaps
South Minneapolis Neighborhood Community Stewardship was funded by civic-minded Honeywell corporate leadership
 to help off-set chaos of periodic campus visits by local protest groups organized by Norm Davidoff ...
Note: Grand Metropolitan plc./Diageo dba Pillsbury Brands 
 successfully re-merged with General Mills at Golden Valley
 in western Hennepin County near Lake Minnetonka
65.30.117.192 11:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wells Fargo was acquired by Norwest, which then changed its name to Wells Fargo and relocated from Minneapolis to San Francisco, where Wells Fargo had always been headquartered.  Thus an illusion was created that Wells Fargo had acquired Norwest. Michael Hardy 03:27, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was about a 5-minute branding discussion. "Hmm, a Big Green N versus a hundred and fifty years of American mythos, including the Pony Express and even a TV show...." :-) Charles T. Betz 02:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, no. The Agreement filed with the SEC was a merger, not an acquisition.  I had thought otherwise as well until I actually researched it today. Idsfa 21:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous talk

message: Do the skyways stay open all night?  If so, do homeless people sleep in there?
* No, the skyways close when the stores they connect close.  Some sections are closed when the buildings they connect are closed.  Sections which remain open are supervised by security staff and police.  (SEWilco 15:21, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skyways 

message: I saw that Guthrie Theater links to Tyrone Guthrie in this article, I was going to write an article on the theater itself. I'd change the link here to the theater article, put a link to Tyrone in it and add a link in the Mpls article to the Tyrone article as well. How does that sound?
:The Guthrie Theater merits its own article. Please be bold and go for it. Jonathunder 23:52, 2005 Apr 1 (UTC)
::OK, it's there, and it's a stub. Michael Hardy 01:21, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Guthrie Theater  

message: My apologies in advance for stepping on Midwestern toes, but is Minneapolis really a "world-class" city? I don't see any evidence for putting it in the same group as New York, Paris, London, Tokyo, Singapore, et al.. The linking article mentions "tiers" of such a status; perhaps some qualification might be in order?? 66.82.9.39(Mashford - cookies disabled)
Minneapolis may be a very clean and quite a liveable city but here goes, it is not a world class city. This whole "world-class" moniker is really becoming a little bit ridiculous, as every city seems to be using it. A World class city is a city has a global presence and influence, a city that everybody knows something about....London, Paris, Tokyo, New York, yes, Singapore, Minneapolis, no. --142.161.179.115 04:46, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  city class? 

message: As a decidedly unfamous person who was born & grew up in Minneapolis – and as an old-time Bob Dylan fan – I think it's a bit cheesy to claim Dr. Bob as a famous "Minneapolitan."  He only lived in Mpls. a couple years. OK, so he once sang at the old Scholar coffeehouse in Dinkytown. He's spent most of his life elsewhere, and he wasn't born in Mpls. either.
Sca 18:57, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Dylan 

message: What kind of an article is this about Mpls :) Its gotta have a pic of the Spoon sculpture :) Jawed 04:31, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a picture of the Abstract Angry Man frowning at Hennepin Avenue just up the hill?  I suspect the best view is from the pedestrian bridge, looking up Hennepin over the tunnel at dusk, when the eyes should be glowing.  (SEWilco 19:58, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Spoon picture? 

message: Please check the image description page (just click on the image) of your favorite image to check that it has proper licensing information.  Tags in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags are preferred.  I created :Category:Images of Minneapolis, Minnesota but because those should have one of more free-use licenses I was unable to add a number of unlicensed images.  For example, one Spoon and Cherry image had proper information while two others did not.  (SEWilco 05:59, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo licenses 

message: I added a couple of aerial and satellite images to Minneapolis-St. Paul which may be useful.  (SEWilco 06:59, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Nice, thank you. Landsat and flyby are added. Then they moved to Geography of Minneapolis, Minnesota which come to think of it might benefit from water quality or others sometime. -Susanlesch 04:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aerial images 

message: Does anyone remember the "I love the Mini-Apple" Minneapolis' image-boosting campaign?  Because of that campaign, many Ojibwe language speakers don't call Minneapolis by its traditional name Gakaabikaang (at the falls), but rather as Mishiiminens-oodena (mini-apple town).  Was this at the same time as or shortly after the New York City's "I ♥ New York"/"The Big Apple" campaign? CJLippert 06:56, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "I love the Mini-Apple" 

message: The skyline photo in the top info-bar was an good night photo of the Stone Arch Bridge, but had nothing from the downtown skyline in it.  So I added a photo I had of the downtown skyline + Metrodome; however, I liked the Stone Arch Bridge photo and moved it to the top of History, and then simply moved the other skyline photo from there down a few paragraphs.  Bobak 22:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed the skyline photo 

message: Ahh, is this correct, and can a citing please be provided.  I have lived in Minneapolis most of my life and asked others who have lived here for 60+ years and havent heard of this.  Just wondering were its from, and without pending evidence, im going to go ahead and remove the statement "People living in Minneapolis are called Minneapolitans."  THanks.--Geppy 05:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really because I also live in Minneapolis and have heard this term used by many people, most recently at precinct caucuses on the 7th. It IS used EdwinHJ | Talk 16:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Good to know, i will add it to my lexicon.--Geppy 20:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minneapolitans

message: Although Winnipeg lists Minneapolis as a sister city, Minneapolis does not. I've checked their city website. Anyone have the facts on that one? jdobbin 19:24, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sister Cities

message: According to the List of United States cities by population, Minneapolis is now 48th.  The core cities would rank, by 2004 estimates, at 18th, between Memphis and Baltimore with a population of 650906.  Louisville is way down on the list.  If there are no objections in the next couple of days, I will make this paragraph, you know, correct. ColinKennedy 19:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Relative Size

message: I am from Richmond Virginia reading up on your city. Afting having edited the RVA article extensively, I figured I would share some feedback about some possible edits to make the Minneapolis article more reader friendly.  
* Firstly, I would recommend that you move discussion of all your roads to an article called Transportation in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I like reading about the fact that you have bike paths, but I am not so interested in the numerical naming scheme for roads I will likely never drive on. See Transportation in Richmond, Virginia for ideas.
* Secondly, your Media in the Twin Cities is probably the place to put the call signs of all the radio stations in Minneapolis. Your average readership is likely not likely going to be interested in how to find an easy listening station in Minneapolis. 
* Thirdly, you may want to crate a new article called List of famous Mineapolitans. The current Minneapolitan list is a lot of people I have not heard of. If they are really notable, I would suggest adding 5 to 10 descriptive words to the right of each Minneapolitan so that I know who they are or what they have done. Doing this will also help you to scrub the list, since vandals sometimes add bogus notable people to lists of famous people. See List of famous Richmonders for my mental model on this. 
I would be bold and do all this myself but I wanted to get some comment on it first. MPS 18:45, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Agree, Highways could go elsewere. So could light rail proposals maybe. List of Minneapolitans could be trimmed. List of musicians and band could move to Music of Minnesota. -Susanlesch 16:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some suggested edits from a Richmonder

message: I'm planning on taking a day and doing some photography around the Twin Cities. Is there anything in particular editors interested in Mpls would like, other then the ones at the top of the page? I'm hoping to do it this week, probably Thursday. Let me know on my talk page if you have suggestions. Thanks!  Rx StrangeLove 01:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the cool and overcast weather around these parts I though I'd wait til this week when it's supposed to be clearer, so I'm still open to suggestions....Rx StrangeLove 01:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: There is a survey in progress at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (settlements) to determine if there is consensus on a proposed change to the U.S. city naming conventions to be consistent with other countries, in particular Canada. 
:This proposal would allow for this article to be located at San Diego instead of San Diego, California, bringing articles for American cities into line with articles for cities such as Paris and Toronto.--DaveOinSF 16:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However the proposal would allow U.S. cities to be inconsistent with the vast majority of other U.S. cities and towns, which (with a few exceptions) all use the "city, state" convention. -Will Beback 23:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey on proposal to make U.S. city naming guidelines consistent with others countries

message: I have been unable to verify the current claim for ranking 65th in world metropolitan areas.  There doesn't seem to be a consistent answer to this question but the Twin Cities seems to rank 105th , 114th  or 135th  depending on the source.
Can we simply remove this claim as there doesn't seem to be any way to readily verify it? Caladil 17:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; unless a source is found, the 65th-in-the-world claim should be removed.  I've also been thinking about the three articles, Minneapolis, Minnesota, Saint Paul, Minnesota, and Minneapolis-St. Paul.  My plan is to modify Minneapolis to include only information about the city itself, and move all "metro area" facts to the Minneapolis-St. Paul article.  This would include items from many categories, including famous people, media, population statistics, education, economy, etc.  I've already worked on St. Paul quite a bit, trying to keep it focussed on that city.  (It is a current nomination for GA.)  I haven't started tackling Minneapolis yet though.  I'd like agreement from others that this is a good strategy and help accomplishing that.  It will also take some coordinated maintenance to keep it that way - people dump metro facts here all the time. Appraiser 18:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

text: *Agree, Minneapolis and Saint Paul are distinct. A comment above on this page thought the entire metro area might also be important. Do you see Minneapolis-St. Paul as including Bloomington? Edina? White Bear Lake? -Susanlesch 16:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relative Size worldwide comparison. 

message: Hello. I changed a few images -- a lighter skyline, still not perfect maybe, the whole City Hall, added the Pillsbury mill and Wells Fargo and Hennepin County Government Center; and removed two of three of the Stone Arch Bridge. It's AOK with me if anyone wishes to revert. I miss a nice winter photo and some lakes someday. Best wishes. -Susanlesch 06:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Added several more images. Sorry I don't know enough about the Lakota Sioux (?) to find a picture for the first section of history. -Susanlesch 11:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *It makes perfect sense to me to remove images at some point. Earlier comments on this page asked for more images. IMHO, when the scope of the article is clear, it will be clear what images need to be added or cut. Does that make sense to you, Han0100? -Susanlesch 16:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: *{Merge|History of Minneapolis|date=January 2007}
*{Merge|Transportation in Minnesota|date=January 2007}
*{Merge|Music of Minnesota|date=January 2007}
*{Merge|Twin Cities|date=January 2007}
Hello. The text of this article is really good, just too long I am told. Here are a few concrete ideas on how to shorten the article.
# Proposing that the list of famous people be shortened to include only people who have at some time been residents (not those who have lived nearby).
# Proposing that the list of films be trimmed (and referenced to the full list).
# Proposing that the list of bands from Minneapolis be merged with Music of Minnesota.
# Proposing that the list of highways and the list of proposed light rail lines be merged with Transportation in Minnesota.
Sound good? If you have ideas about other ways to tighten this up it would be great. -Susanlesch 20:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: History in particular is long relative to other city articles.  Recommend: trim to one barebones section with link to .--Loodog 21:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Thanks. Tags for Loodog and Appraiser's merge ideas added and one added to the article to point here. -Susanlesch 23:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *What I cut or moved is saved here. -Susanlesch 11:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: *Some done. History and demographics moved. Maybe there are more candidates for separate articles, too. -Susanlesch 06:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merges

message: Hello. Does anyone know how to be fair with this number of musicians? -Susanlesch 18:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: Temporarily restoring a user's image deletions until the above discussions reach conclusion. -Susanlesch 20:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Someone has deleted all of them including the public domain images. -Susanlesch 22:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Feel free to restore the PD images.--NMajdan•talk 01:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Sorry NMajdan, but I just spent hours talking to you and others about this in the Village Pump (assistance) and fixing up what was left and am not only out of time I am set back a day. Also, you aren't the person who deleted them. I saved the discussion  here in case anyone needs it for later. Thanks anyway. -Susanlesch 01:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image deletions

message: Except the neighborhoods missing in the template, all of the red links have been replaced with either a new article, a link to an external site, or no link. I am not sure about WikiProject Minnesota, but no red links is a requirement for a B class biography and looks useful here too. -Susanlesch 15:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Red links

message: Just throwing this out there, but the 2005 American Fact Finder survey doesn't include college students living in dorms for their population estimates.  And the University of Minnesota (More than 50,000 students) sits comfortably within Minneapolis' border.  Which short changes it's population by something probably in the neighborhood of 30 or 40 thousand people, seeing as not all college students live in a dorm obviously.  So we may want to take off the 2005 number seeing as it's, well, wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elfangor801 (talk • contribs) 03:35, February 22, 2007
:Boston has ~250,000 college students.  Philadelphia, also around 250,000.  They are not counted in population estimates.  This is how it's done.--Loodog 03:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2005 Population

message: Hi. Does anyone have comments pro or con on the use of templates? For now several were added to :Category:Minnesota_navigational_boxes. Also, in the case of MinneapolisPeople and MinneapolisProSports, is it useful to store paragraphs outside the Minneapolis article? I thought of those because sports had a few reverts for the Wild. Or do you think that extra step makes it too hard for future editors? Google didn't find a precedent but I may have missed discussion somewhere. -Susanlesch 04:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Templates

message: Hello. The merges are all started and then some more. Is this structure what you had in mind? Is it working? Or is it too much work? Is the City of Minneapolis template misleading because it links to stubs? In the edit history you can see it had neighborhoods, communities and business areas, and Minnesota county seats and largest cities. But it looked pretty long to me. -Susanlesch 04:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Daughter articles