Talk:OTR-21 Tochka

message: So the only recorded use of this missile in combat ended up with it blowing up a maternity ward?  Ouch.  The team that designed this must have trouble sleeping. -Toptomcat 18:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [unnamed old discussion that lacks a title and breaks page formatting]

message: Does anyone know what yield (in kT) did/does the AA-60 nuclear warhead have? I suppose, it is scalable, from 10 - 20 - 50 kT, right? Thanks.--84.163.93.174 10:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, missilethreat.com states the nuclear warhead as having a selectable yield between 10 and 100 kT.--84.163.93.174 13:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yield of the AA-60 nuclear warhead? 

message: There is nothing "unconfirmed" at all about use of the Tochka-U in the war in the Donbass.  Its use has been confirmed by the Ukrainian side.  http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/10/ukraine-destroys-terrorussian-base-with.html
75.111.20.66 (talk) 04:48, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fully confirmed use in the Donbass 

message: News today states that a Tochka was a cluster weapon. Is this correct? If so, it should be in the article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:52, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Cluster weapon?

message: On 24 April 2022, a Tochka missile hit an Orsk  ->  On March 24, 2022 FuzzyCat (talk) 09:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done  Thanks . ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:02, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2022 

message: But they still have old stock. If they try to deny they have these, or are using them now, the official statement should be noted and sourced, and links provided to videos showing otherwise. More than that, wiki can not do without being partisan.2A00:23C7:E287:1900:18B2:A75:3A38:60E3 (talk) 22:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Russians deny they have these, now

message: The article does not mention the possible cluster warhead payload configurations. Whereas the picture of the warhead in the article shows the internals of the cluster munitions. 
There are also multiple reports of this missile used in Ukraine with cluster warhead causing massive civilian casualties. 73.97.53.133 (talk) 22:26, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

text: Zippybonzo |  talk 15:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2022 (2) 

message: I was surprised to see that wikipedia so hastedly was able to conclude definitively that Ukraine had not launched missiles on the 8th of April 2022, hitting the railway station in Kramatorsk, as Russia had claimed. So I looked through the source. This assertion is based on the findings of the "Digital Forensic Research Lab" (DFRL), a company that is good at finding "disinformation" from China (apparently, that's all they do). They may be doing that very well, but it does raise a few problems.
1. DFRL is really just the Atlantic Council, an American think-tank. The US is hardly neutral in this and anything that hurts Russia is certainly something the US would be glad to see. This alone means any reports from DFRL should not just be considered golden. Care should be taken before anything is admitted as gospel.
2. DFRL has no proven record for dealing with war zones. At least none that I could find.
3. DFRL seems to not have existed before 2020.
I propose the following is changed:
On 8 April 2022, the railway station in Kramatorsk under Ukrainian control was hit by 2 Tochka-U ballistic missiles. The attack killed at least 52 civilians and injured at least 87 more. At first, Russian media said it had hit a Ukrainian military target. Later, Russia falsely blamed Ukraine for the strike.[34] The message in Russian "Za detei", meaning for or on behalf of the children, had been daubed on the missile in white.[35][36][37][38][39][40]
to
::::::::Among the donors of the Atlantic Council: Burisma Holdings, what a surprise. Kiidding apart, the Atlantic Council is by no means a reliable and neutral source. It's a pro-NATO US think tank....with Ukrainian donors. This article was turned upside down by pro-Ukrainian supporters after the the massacre of Kramatorsk. It's a propaganda war, on both sides. Wikipedia should wait and avoid childish editions. Time shall tell.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.99.89.51 (talk) 11:30, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: (Sorry if I'm doing this wrong - I very rarely edit! :) I agree that the Atlantic Council is hardly an unbiased source. Also, the sentence "Later, Russia falsely blamed Ukraine for the strike.[34]" is misleading: the referenced Atlantic Council article does not provide the kind of information or detail required to make a true/false claim. Timothym (talk) 04:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider reports from Digital Fprensic Research Lab biased 

message: Uses of a lot of un trusted references , from Iranian fake news networks , especially from 17 to 25 , a lot related to fake news . Abughamd (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uses of a lot of un trusted references