Talk:Ethanol fuel energy balance

message: Personal opinions and research aside, this article is an ad for bio-fuels.  This article is far too biased and slanted to be fixed.  It needs to be tossed out and started over from scratch.  Discussion of ethanol opponents is cynical, while pro-ethanol points of view are celebrated.  This article has no place in any type of informative encyclopedia.
Geopract 13:54, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't "take" oil to grow corn.  Our current agricultural scale requires a certain amount of nitrogen (fertility), most of which must be artificially fixed from the atmosphere via the Haber process.  Currently the cheapest thing to use to generate the heat for the Haber process is oil.  --WayneMokane 21:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: This article is funny.  There are alternating unsourced "point-counterpoint" sequences in several areas of the article.  I agree with those saying this article is junk.  The whole debate seems kind of silly to me anyway.  If it turns out to have a negative energy balance, then it's not going to be profitable.  If it catches on and becomes as important to society as oil is now, then it obviously had a positive energy balance.  If the "energy balance" debate belongs in an encyclopedia at all, it probably should just be a small paragraph in an article on farm subsidies (the government wasting some tax money is, as far as I can see, the only real issue affected by this).  Mbarbier (talk) 01:27, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debates are for the talk page 

message: The article has been cleaned up and a lot of issues have been resolved. The tags are therefore removed. If there are still issues please start a new discussion. Thanks V8rik (talk) 16:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethanol fuel energy balance new start 

message: The numerous articles on this site concerning ethanol put different numbers for the EROI. Many links are broken. The sugar cane ethanol number is based off a 2008 study, it is now 7 years old. Nearly every study is from about 2007. 
These ethanol articles are very out of date. Some of the numbers have not changed much, but the studies have. I believe this should be merged with the primary ethanol fuel article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel
I also propose that a template is added to each ethanol article stating that these articles are outdated and contradictory. Many articles need a template asking for new sources because many claims do not have in-text citations. 174.101.99.191 (talk) 14:23, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethanol EROI and bad article 

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message: This article either needs a serious update to make sure that the data here matches current reality, or the relevant sections need to be moved to the Ethanol page and this page removed. Ethanol and corn production have significantly changed since 2008 and energy ratio is much more complicated than the chart on the right would suggest. Shenalan (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating or Merging