Talk:Zhangzhung

message: How could they have been Buddhists before the "Shakyamuni Buddha"?
Isn't that like saying "They were Christians that predated Christ?"
:This claim does have its improbable aspects, I will grant you that. While a Western historian can discount this claim on the face of it, the beauty of it is that it tempts the rival Nyingmapa sect (the sect in Tibetan Buddhism which prides itself on being the oldest) to assert the claim is not true, when both sects take it as an article of faith that the Buddha indeed did have previous lives before appearing as the Shakyamuni Buddha.  Welcome to Buddhist metaphysics!  What we are seeing here is Tibetan Buddhist one-upmanship of the finest kind.  (There is a whole class of stories dedicated to the prior lives of the Buddha known as jataka). I felt slightly guilty about including this claim in the article, but it is so much fun I couldn't resist. —  technopilgrim 17:31, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: before Shakayamuni Buddha

message: Bon is today accepted as a form of buddhism by Dalai Lama and most tibetan schools. Besides not believing the history Bon claims for its lineage, its view is considered perfect. I think it has been accepted as such from the very beggining of the Rime movement. Theres quite a lot of texts on this encyclopedia that say that someone population practice 'Bon or Buddhism', , while enumerating religions, among other options, implying Bon isnt Buddhism... Also, Some (non-Bon) lamas, like Namkhai Norbu Rimpoche, after some research, grant Bon its claim that its tradition does have an independend origin and independent transmission of buddhism from the other tibetan schools, though of course not dating it nearly as far back, maybe just a little before Nygmapas (certanly not before Shakyamuni buddha, though some fundamental teachings of tibetan buddhism, like dzogchen, which is a part of Bon too, are not even claimed to have ever been tought by shakyamuni buddha, but by Garab Dorje), and still considering much of whats todays Bon (but not all, and not even all thats buddhism in it) as appropriated from Nygmapas later... --Aryah 20:50, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bon

message: "The Zhang Zhung culture was centered around sacred Mount Kailash and extended west to Sarmatians and present-day Ladakh ..."
Ladakh in the West sounds logical. The Sarmatians were in Ukraine. Don't just tell some name. This claim about Sarmatians in Tibet needs explanation. Truchses 22:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sarmatians? 

message: Move Parsecboy (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree that the page should be speedily renamed back to Zhang Zhung. We should use the standard transliteration of Tibetan, not a phonetic transcription. The page now has Xang Xang as the title and the first word of the article, but still keeps Zhang Zhung everywhere else throughout the article, which is ridiculous. Unless there is a Wikipedia policy to use PRC Tibetan transcription for all Tibetan-related articles, then we should stick with Zhang Zhung. BabelStone (talk) 11:06, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am unconvinced it is going to aid folk trying to find the article. As it is an alternate spelling, won't people think the artile doesn't exist If they are unable to use the "wrong" spelling? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 18:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what redirects are for; people using the "wrong" spelling. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Native English speakers do not normally pronounce Xa as "Zha" ~ which is much closer to what the Tibetan sounds like than "Xa".  Pinyin might be a good system for Romanizing Han Chinese language, but no kind of Pinyin is well suited for  Tibetan language - especially in articles aimed at an English speaking audience.  If normal English speaking readers try to pronounce Tibetan Pinyin it bears almost no resemblance to the Tibetan.   Chris Fynn (talk) 16:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move page to Zhangzhung

message: * The result is not unified, why you move it to Zhangzhung? --Yohan (China) (talk) 14:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Zhang Zhung

message: Someone made an error in the description of one of the maps, which the map itself said was AD but the editor's description said it was BC. I rectified this.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.43.68 (talk • contribs) 08:09, April 14, 2010
:SOMEONE HAS SABOTAGED THE MAP WITH CLEARLY ERRONEOUS DESCRIPTIONS  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.133.61.188 (talk) 16:23, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In adition, this article was established using AD and BC dates but many edits have introduced BCE and CE dates, creating a mishmash of styles. As per WP:BCE they should be consistent within the article. Since AD and BC were first used, that style should become dominant on this article unless someone gives a reason that this article is a special case requiring BCE and CE or some other format. Rincewind42 (talk) 00:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  BC/AD error 

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message: Bon and Buddhism, Two Faces of the Same Coin? from about 35:00 on.
Chris Fynn (talk) 06:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism of this Wikipedia article by Prof.Per Kværne 

message: The article erroneously says in the section on "Extent of the Zhangzhung kingdoms",  "The capital city of Zhangzhung was called Khyunglung (Wylie: Khyunglung Ngülkhar or Wylie: Khyung-lung dngul-mkhar),".
First of all, only the second one is an (incorrect) approximation of Wylie Transliteration. The first "Wylie" is not Wylie, but rather a system of phoneticization, and should not be referred to as Wylie. Furthermore, the hyphens in the second Wylie (the one which is actually Wylie) should be removed and replaced with spaces. The correct Wylie transliteration of ཁྱུང་ལུང་དངུལ་མཁར་ is "khyung lung dngul mkhar," with no capital letters or hyphens.  Gcurtis509 (talk) 21:12, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration/phonetics errors 

message: The redirect Zhang-zhung has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  1234qwer1234qwer4 15:41, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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