Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)/Archive 1

message: Please stop adding copies of the LTA map here unless you write to them and get permission to release it under GFDL.  It's copyrighted and Singapore does not recognize "fair use". Jpatokal 07:57, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it does, I've seen it before. The clauses for the conditions of "fair use" for educational purposes authorising reproduction of copyrighted materials for educational purposes were posted in my school office. I read the entire section anyhow, because I was waiting to be picked up that day.  Wikipedia being an education source.... -- Natalinasmpf 21:23, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I think Singapore recongizes Fair Use. See Wikipedia talk:SGpedians' notice board for more info. - Mailer Diablo 18:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is amazing! you can find the Law online: http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/   ... go to 'C' list, for Copyright Act, Cap 63, start from Section 35.  But we need to translate it to English .... Vsion 23:23, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds damn familiar. :D Yeah I think I see the same thing in my (ex)varsity somewhere. Vision shd be able to confirm this. haha. But why dont we just try drawing our own map instead?--Huaiwei 14:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I've been suggesting to Natalinasmpf. :D Hmib 16:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

text: You can create the map yourself; but pls do it for the right reasons, not because of some misunderstood laws. We should Be bold when dealing with ambiguous and "everything-under-the-sky" Spore's regulations and protect our rights, as long as we act in good faith and are not communists. .. Honestly, I'm trying to defend myself, having just uploaded a wonderful tourist map of Sentosa. :-P.  In any case, I volunteer to upload these controversial material, provided that it is fair dealing in my opinion, (copyrighted non-government photographs do not qualify). In the long run, we need a copyright-tag-template for SG-fair-dealing, to make our claims more convincing (packaging counts!). Vsion 21:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wait, what's wrong with being communist? :p -- Natalinasmpf 02:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, the ISD deals with communists. I don't know exactly why, bad history maybe. Deep wound heals slowly.  -- Vsion 13:53, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well yeah, I should know, I got called up by them before, but what's wrong with being communist on Wikipedia? -- Natalinasmpf 14:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh... Then you should be safe, they don't normally let people go. Keep the Viva le Singapour in your user page, just in case. btw, it was very moving when I first saw it. :D -- Vsion 15:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Takes makes you the second person I know who got called up by them. The other person I know is a liberalist thou..haha! Anyway, I am thinking of using powerpoint to draw the map! Gonna create two..one to scale, and the other not. Anyone able to help with base maps?--Huaiwei 15:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Base maps? Well, I can help with any map, I guess. I suppose the one to scale will be drafted against the outline of Singapore? That would require some cartological research though. Also maybe we can start a Wikiproject for user made maps of the region lol. Maps of streets, the individual towns... Also, why don't you try GIMP? Also what did your friend get called up for? Mine was basically because I spoke way too much about the government on my blog. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 17:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh yeah, I've no dealings with ISD, but MSD came and talked to me once. Now you reminded me of that interview; Man! I gotta be careful now. :p -- Vsion 04:46, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text:  Holy cr@p, you guys aren't kidding are you? Called up by ISD? But you're still alive? Looks like ISD/Gestapo is more pervasive but less lethal than I thought... My classmate who ran the 'PAP!PAP!' blog got called up by MOE for speaking out too much... but never ISD. But I was a lot more outspoken/intelligent than he was, yet I never got into trouble? Must be because I do 'Heil Hitler's as well as 'communist' stuff. What is MSD, btw? -Hmib 05:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

text:  Looks like I'm not the only secondary-age student to get called up. Must be a trend abong Wikipedians. Careful? Why would I need to be careful? I the Wikipedian community to back me if anything should happen. :p -- Natalinasmpf 05:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it would be highly unlikely mere wikipedians would be able to help you. Clinton wasn't able to help Mike Fay, remember? -Hmib 21:04, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia would be able to raise more hoo hah than Clinton ever could. -- Natalinasmpf 02:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

text:  Not unless Führer Lee reads wikipedia. -Hmib 03:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Singapore recognises fair use. The signs are in the National Library photocopying rooms. Anyhow, good news everyone: the MRT/LRT maps have been reproduced, by one computer pro and another MRT/LRT fanatic in my cohort. There are two maps, one current one and one into the future, updated information as recent as the downtown extention. Will be plugging both maps into the article soon, like today. —Goh wz 15:52, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maps plugged into article. The current map takes centre stage, while the future map is located near the Extensions section. Hope the positions of the maps are fine. —Goh wz 16:14, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: LTA Map copyrights

message: Stations on the East-West line have a shared platform in the center, which can be used to access both directions.  Particularly in the elevated sections, you can see that the lines travel together between stations but split up for the center platform at a station.  Dover, being built later than the rest of the line, is the only exception. Jpatokal 11:25, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have partially elaborated on this. I don't think I explained the "splitting up" though, I only mention they run on both sides of the platform island. -- Natalinasmpf 21:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Platform sides=

message: The article is rather funny. Half the article's content is the MRT history, but contains very little on what the protocol, the tracks, the speed, the number of trains, what the trains are like, the daily experience of a commuter on the MRT...nothing on that? Surely someone should fix this? Rules and regulations on the MRT trains? -- Natalinasmpf 10:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Its waiting for you to do it! :D Haha...I wont have much time till tomorrow when I finish my last exam in my life, then I will be lanuching a major collaborative exercise to make it a feature article!--Huaiwei 10:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  organization 

message: I'm sure all of you have a camera somewhere and could snap some photos. I do too, and would do some of it when I can, but I don't want to be the only person to be doing it. I think if we could have some photos of the machines, the shops in the stations, maybe a crowd or two, more pictures inside the different trains (ie for the rolling stock section), then this could become FAC material. (Of course we still need more on the commuter experience, but I'm on the way to do that.) :D
:Haha...the thing is I am rather scared to do it. I am worried I will kana catch and questioned by the staff. And once, I was told not to take photos at the Changi Airport station. Grrrr....--Huaiwei 08:15, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I've taken plenty of photos within the stations and trains before, just that the focal point was only my friends since well, I didn't think about contributing to Wikipedia till the end of last year. -- Natalinasmpf 08:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe coz you are younger lah, so the ppl wont find it suspicious. I doubt they will be that kind to me! :D--Huaiwei 08:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Nope. Formatting policies dictate that all pictures will be on the right. :D--Huaiwei 11:44, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Shall we stick some gum on the door first before snapping the picture? :D Anyway I managed to snap a few pictures at Chinatown station, but believe me...it was harrowing. Dosent help that my camera is quite a monstrous presence, and as far as I see it, the pictures are certainly not competition material :D --Huaiwei 11:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you do take some photos of the exterior, bring along some high speed exposure film, ie. to reduce the blur slightly but give it a motion effect. If you could show the view from an elevated position in the MRT down below (ie. Queenstown or something), then I could consider that quite good. Its not hard to be competition material, actually, just add a sense of signifance and flow, focal point, etc. ;-). I suppose you took photos of the fare gates, etc.? -- Natalinasmpf 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gums at door not required, maybe on the tracks, especially at clementi. Btw, if you win the competition, the copyright goes to LTA, and this time no fairuse. It won't be much a dilemna though: take the $2,500, and treat all of us! :D --  Vsion 17:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: There is an on-going contest right now for transport related images, so take the chance to grap those shots (with a wonderful excuse) of the MRT before they stop us! :D 
The LTA Digital Photography Contest--Huaiwei 17:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall we stick some gum on the door first before snapping the picture? :D Anyway I managed to snap a few pictures at Chinatown station, but believe me...it was harrowing. Dosent help that my camera is quite a monstrous presence, and as far as I see it, the pictures are certainly not competition material :D --Huaiwei 11:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you do take some photos of the exterior, bring along some high speed exposure film, ie. to reduce the blur slightly but give it a motion effect. If you could show the view from an elevated position in the MRT down below (ie. Queenstown or something), then I could consider that quite good. Its not hard to be competition material, actually, just add a sense of signifance and flow, focal point, etc. ;-). I suppose you took photos of the fare gates, etc.? -- Natalinasmpf 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gums at door not required, maybe on the tracks, especially at clementi. Btw, if you win the competition, the copyright goes to LTA, and this time no fairuse. It won't be much a dilemna though: take the $2,500, and treat all of us! :D --  Vsion 17:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The LTA Digital Photography Contest

message: Spotted some copyright problems with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT.JPG and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT_3.JPG which this article uses. What should we do? Should we remove them immediately, or wait till we can find replacements (well do we have some time before we have to remove them because the photographer doesn't yet know about this article?)...? As in, keep them as placeholders for the time being and a benchmark of to replace with there next because it'd be a pity for the alignment otherwise. -- Natalinasmpf 22:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know for sure that the photographer did not release the photos for use here, the only right thing is to remove the photos first. The page can do without those images until replacements are found. Alex.tan 14:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problems 

message: collision between MRT trains at Clementi station on 5 Aug 1993, resulting in 150 injuries. The collision happened because a work train that did maintenance work earlier that morning had spilled some oil onto the tracks. 
: I am very surprised by the above, what kind of oil was that!  My impression, many years ago, was that the first train was delayed at Clementi station due to technical problem. The driver of 2nd train was probably sleeping, train went on auto-pilot and crashed into the first one. Otherwise, there should be ample time to notice  the stationary train from afar and stop the train in time. sigh... Vsion 01:25, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  collision at Clementi, 1993 

message: I think its time we reorganise the article a bit, lots of good photos and content, but as I'm looking for things to copyedit, I think we need to move some larger sections off to their own articles, so that it looks a bit neater, ie. the Rolling Stock part can be summarised, instead of detailing every car, that part can be its own article, and rather, cite them in the this main MRT article, but the details will be in their own article. Especially the history, and concerning the stations. I think this would be better. -- Natalinasmpf 03:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets wait abit more. I find the data collected still largely incomplete, and we can see how we shall copyedit it when we have a better impression of how much data we have further down the road? :D --Huaiwei 07:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Agreed. I'm waiting for Singapore to pass FAC, then I'll start working on this article! Gosh, I have my own information to add as well! Would it exceed 60kb? =P - Mailer Diablo 20:13, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summarisation 

message: If I (and I believe, many of you) remember correctly, there was a programme of sorts to reconfigure the layout of the trains back in the late 1990s. I have added some information to the rolling stock section about that. Things I'm not that sure of as been enclosed in double brackets ((like this)). If anyone knows more about that programme, please add to it. A.K.R. 8 July 2005 15:04 (UTC)
: I can verify that - I believe it's the same as what they're trying to do at the rolling stock of the Bukit Panjang LRT right now. - Mailer Diablo 13:55, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's verified, I will take out the double brackets then at the new article you created ;) . A.K.R. 16:16, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  That thing about reconfiguring the layout in the C651 trains... 

message: I always felt that there was something "missing" from this article, and while I was looking at the MTR article the other day, I finally figured out what it was. The artworks! Every station on the North-East line and some stations on the older lines (such as Woodlands, Orchard, and some others) have artworks, either in paintings or structures, incoporated into their design. They are quite an intergral part of our MRT system, and it should be worth mentioning them. Also, it will add depth to the article overall. A.K.R. 09:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. There was a publication on the artworks in all NEL stations, and althouigh I cant find the broachure now, there is still a notice at every station describing the artworks. I am not too sure if this is so in SMRT stations, but there is enough material for each NEL station to be placed in the individual station pages! :D--Huaiwei 05:43, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I know at least that the Woodlands station has a piece of artwork- there's one (or is it two? I'm not too sure) huge metallic crystal-like structure extending from the ground floor up through the spaces on the platform level. Tiny inscriptions on the "pillar" supporting it on the ground floor indicates that it is an artwork by some sculptor (whose name I can't recall). Oh, and I'm going to start the stub-section on artworks after this. Hope this will encourage people to contribute. In the meantime, I will go look for information. A.K.R. 09:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The artwork in Woodlands station was actually quite attractive at start, but it seemed now the signs, the beggars and the dust have all but outstand the artwork itself. And now comes the elevator, it is worth mentioning but, not much significance to the commuters anyway. I endorse this move. Slivester 00:10, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section On Artworks On The MRT System? 

message: Hi, I am preparing locator map for each MRT/LRT station, these are some samples. Any comments or suggestions? --Vsion 04:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ARGH! Beautiful!! :D--Huaiwei 05:55, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

text: A bit small, otherwise the quality of the maps and it's accurateness is very well done. A.K.R. 05:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That is obviously a great step! Keep it up. Slivester 23:53, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locator Maps of stations  

message: Referring to the system map, I found some questions with the typeface LTA uses. Above is a little analysis I have done. The nearest of which I can get is Rotis. Slivester 09:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  LTA Typeface 

message: I feel that there is a need to note of the ambience while travelling with the MRT or LRT, such as the temperature in & outside of the trains. Slivester 12:14, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wah....u got the info for this?--Huaiwei 10:05, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambience 

message: May I know who was the person who requested for a rewrite of this article? The person didn't state any reason other than telling us to look at the talk page, but I wasn't able to find a specific reason. A.K.R. 06:29, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think mailer diablo? We need the whole thing rewrittern coz it now reads like a disjointed piece after so much editing work.--Huaiwei 10:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Of course. Otherwise, we might end up confusing potential editiors of this article. A.K.R. 11:08, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite? 

message: {|style="background:#ccccff" cellspacing=0 border=0 cellpadding=0 width=100%	
Singapore MRT Lines	
I'm thinking of making a template something like this. Any comments and suggestions? Terenceong1992 05:51, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Dosent this dublicate the station template a little?--Huaiwei 12:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Kind of. Then I think I won't do it, since this is a duplicate. Terenceong1992 13:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: MTR has this kind of duplicate too. --Terenceong1992 08:44, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Line Template

message: When someone updates the main MASS RAPID TRANSIT page, the corresponding info in the main article eg. Facilities is NOT UPDATED. It is dumb to have to update two separate pages for the same info. The main page is just a cut and paste from the MRT page. Is anyone going to, or allowed to shorten the MRT page so that updates can just be put into the main page whereas the MRT page serves more as a outline instead?
:Please sign with four tides like this (~~~~). The article is going to be summarised. --Terence Ong |Talk 15:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I duplicated it, for a reason. Patience please. - Mailer Diablo 23:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  REPETITION OF INFO