Talk:Suicide attack/Archive 2

message: I know i'm stepping in here kind of late in a process, but it seems to me that this article on suicide bombing is sort of heavily mixed up with terrorism, presumably due to the comingling of both concepts in the present. But historically, suicide bombing of a civilian cafe has less in common with Kamikaze than it has with a remote detonated car bomb outside the cafe. Yes? No? So comments re the Palestinians' lack of other military alternatives belong here, but discussions of civilian targets are more of a terrorist matter. ?? Gzuckier 19:49, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a suggestion on the Talk: page a few months ago to separate out Suicide Bombing from Suicide Attack, which seemed to make sense at the time, but it never went anywhere. Jayjg (talk) 20:55, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  suicide bombing  and/or terrorism 

message: Look, I'm not even disputing the claims being made here, but the article is just pingponging between two different varieties of POV. On teh one hand, Tom's stuff is allegedly 'original research' (difficult to prove, it's more interpretation than research) and on the other Guy/Jay's stuff originates from a POV source. if I had the time to go and check out a textbook on Islamic interpretation of teh Shahadah I would, but it's a lot more difficult to get that from my desktop, whereas it's pretty easy to link to one of countless Israeli advocacy sites on the net.
It also seems that Guy Montag is not actually interested in debating the source issue - he just ignored my comments about teh sources and then reverted. Whatever. I will try and come up with a more neutral version. I don't think there's any way you could categorise the suggestions I have made above as POV, unless of course that is 'not my POV'illWill 01:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's futile to try to debate with Mr. self-proclaimed right-wing Zionist nationalist.Yuber(talk) 02:32, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: That's fine, I certainly wouldn't dispute that source. However, it seems that user Enviroknot has now started reverting the page. Sigh. Also, I think the focus on this small paragraph is obscuring the fact that the same conflation between Islam aand suicide bombing occurs throughout the article. I would try working on making the language more neutral, but it would be a waste of time if it's going to keep getting reverted without explanation. illWill 11:51, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please find more unbiased sources before reverting

message: This entire piece is incredibly Wesern, or Israeli-Centered.  There has been a constant stream of Suicide-Bomb attacks in Iraq since the war.  Yesterday alone 28 people died in suicide attacks. --Irishpunktom\talk 19:52, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)
:Fair point. illWill 20:05, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  .. and another thing 

message: Inaccurate assertions were made above about The Funding for Peace Coalition (FPC).  Here are some facts.
Funding for Peace Coalition ( www.eufunding.org ) is not an Israel advocacy group.  It has no connection with Honest Reporting, although they have quoted us once or twice, I believe. Members of the FPC include people of all regions, and religions. The FPC has Israeli & Palestinian members. Europeans & Americans.  Australians & Japanese.   Canadians. And others. It is all voluntary. Membership is free & the organisation has NO resources, even the few dollars a year for web hosting is donated. It shares a POB with a company that gives it free use of the facility - although the owner is not active in the FPC. The concern of the FPC is a fair deal for the Palestinian people - which its own leadership, aided and abetted by the EU and others, have denied them. The Israeli captured documents that the FPC references are all public domain. The fact that the IDF captured them does not make them false - it only makes them accessible. All facts are referenced to allow easy checking.
This is my first use of wikipedia tools - so I hope that this gets to you.
Brad Nielson Funding for Peace Coalition brad.nielson@eufunding.org
: Thanks for your reply - I apologise for writing that you are an Israeli advocate group. I think I was getting paranoid from the association with honestreporting.com. I got a bit heated in the exchange on this page, and should have been a bit more careful with my comments. I do disagree with the content of the site, but I should have just written that instead of casting aspersions around. Sorry for that.illWill 19:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Funding for Peace Coalition (eufunding.org)