Talk:Samuel Barber

message: After relying for many years on Grove for Barber's middle name (Osmond), an anonymous editor now pointed out that the Library of Congress uses "Osborne": https://www.loc.gov/item/ihas.200182572/ and http://id.loc.gov/authorities/names/n81015460.html, the latter acknowledging Groves "Osmond". Should we list both, or none? Wikidata lists him as "Samuel Osborne Barber II". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:10, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like a poke in the eye for Grove, which I, too, had trusted up until now. The authoritative biography by Barbara Heyman states on p. 7: "Samuel Osborne Barber II—named after his paternal grandfather ...". Of course, the New Grove article is by the self-same Barbara Heyman, though the text of the article lacks any reference to the middle name. Peter Dickinson's more recent book (2010) also gives "Osborne" (on p. 3), with the remark "the full name the composer later gave up", but refers to the grandfather only as "the first Samuel O. Barber". If Grove's "Osmond" is to be acknowledged, there should be some indication that it is likely a typo.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 01:08, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: So "Osborne" should be restored in the opening sentence, and a footnote, "Heyman in Grove 2001 gives 'Ormond' as his middle name", should be added? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that Heyman gives "Osborne" in her biography, that would be misleading, wouldn't it?—Jerome Kohl (talk) 03:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why that would be misleading. Heyman's entry in Grove is headed "Barber, Samuel (Osmond)" (see ), and her biography of Barber on page 7, as you helpfully pointed out, along with the LoC, gives "Ormond". That looks like a contradiction between citations, 2 from the same author, that may need an explanation. I think most readers would think that Heyman is responsible for the headword in Grove. But I still think that sweeping "Osmond" under the carpet is a valid avenue. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:24, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "Osborne", of course, not "Ormond". I think it would be misleading if we were to give "Osborne" as the middle name, with a footnote saying only that Heyman in NG gives "Osmond", without noting the contradictory information in her biography. The authority of NG, combined with the name of the leading scholar on the subject, requires that attention be called to Heyman's contradictory evidence. We cannot prove (or even speculate, without a reliable source) that the middle name as given in NG is merely a typo or a mistake made by a copy editor, rather than the opinion of the author in 2001, as updated since the 1992 biography, but we can at least point out the facts.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 00:04, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: 🤦 – how did I come up with "Omond"? I'm obviously not qualified to clarify this mess and will leave it to more competent editors. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:54, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the same way NG came up with "Osmond". Or was it "Osgood", or "Onslow", or "Osbert", or "Oswood"? It might just "oswell" have been any of them.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 19:10, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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message: Barber was already in Vienna in November 1932.--Suessmayr (talk) 13:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @  Barber travelled to Vienna many times; the first time being in the autumn of 1928. The quote in question is referring to specific period of formal study in Vienna, and is not meant to be inclusive of every visit he made to that city. The sources state he studied in Vienna in 1935-1936 on a Pulitzer Fellowship after graduating from Curtis in 1934. He was awarded the traveling fellowship on May 6, 1935; three days prior to winning the Prix d’Rome. He did visit Austria earlier in the Autumn of 1933 (not 1932; he was in Philadelphia taking courses at Curtis in November 1932) into the early winter of 1934 with Menotti where they stayed at the Motesiczky family home in Vienna while a Curtis student, but he certainly was not a Pulitzer fellow in Vienna until later. He continued to study periodically in Vienna through 1938 after his Pulitzer Fellowship ended; spending mainly the summers only in the city during those years.4meter4 (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "After graduating from Curtis in the spring of 1934, he pursued further studies in Vienna"