Talk:Characters of Fate/stay night

message: The article gets somehow confusing. Archer is revealed to be the future Shiro only in the Unlimited Blade Works route, while in the Fate one (if I correctly remember) he does not even use the Trace skill, and simply remains as an unnamed blacksmith from some english-speaking country. It should be rewritten, I think.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.64.56.237 (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: late reply I know, still, Archer traced his twin swords in all his appearance. Exlanzer (talk) 17:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: About Archer and Shiro

message: The image :Image:Emiya Saber.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
:* That this article is linked to from the image description page.
The following images also have this problem:
*:Image:Shinji Rider.JPG
*:Image:Rin Archer.jpg
*:      Image:Ilya.JPG
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --11:47, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Emiya Saber.jpg

message: I believe that several of the characters currently listed as main characters don't belong there:
*Shinji Matō
*Berserker
*Rider
These servants really aren't main characters at all, and Shinji was only important in one arc of the story.  Sakura Matō is a bit iffy as well, since she didn't have much of a role until fairly late, and it was more related to the second-last arc in the story. If there's no disagreement, I will drop the above from main characters to secondary (I'll leave Sakura there for the time being). -- Highwind888, the Fuko Master 01:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sakura is the main antagonist of the Heaven's Feel route, which is the true canonical route of Fate/Stay Night and the ending that leads to Hollow Ataraxia. She is as entitled to being a main character as any other characters. There are far better things to moderate with your stupid on Wikipedia than these articles.70.83.146.151 (talk) 23:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved Shinji, Berserker, and Rider to Supporting Characters. Archer stays in main as they even devote a final closing credits at the anime series's halfway point to his defeat, and if he's Shirou in one of the story arcs, that sounds like a main character. AngusWOOF (talk) 16:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving some characters from main to secondary 

message: I would like to propose an idea to reintroduce an article that contains details of Sakura Matō
Reason:
1. Sakura was the antagonist of one arcs in Fate Stay Night, Heaven's feel
2. The direction of the main article of FSN seems to concentrate on anime version which focuses on   Fate arc.I believe the article(the main one) should give equal importance to the other arcs because FSN was originally a visual novel, not a anime.
3. The details of Heaven's feel was a lot and messy and was hard to draw any information of Sakura    Matō from it.
However, I think we should discuss if my move is correct or not. If no one reply within a month, I will proceed in creating a separate article for  Sakura Matō. 
Regards
nipaa1412 
60.50.9.44 (talk) 09:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reintroduce article details on Sakura Matō 

message: These four do not currently assert notability. If nobody can add creation and reception information, they should be merged. TTN (talk) 01:34, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Can we reopen this for discussion? I understand that the previous character articles did not do enough to justify notability, but this does not mean that they weren't notable. Someone just needs to write a reception section and such. For those of you who think the characters are not notable, consider this list:
Here is a list of Fate media:
· 26 episode anime TV series
· Movie slated for January 2010
· manga (9 volumes, ongoing)
· Original PC Visual Novel (Exceptionally popular in Japan, now accessible in English)
· PS2 - Realta Nua (port)
· PS2+PSP - Fate Unlimited Codes
· PSP - Fate/Tiger Colosseum
· PSP - Fate/Extra (in development)
· Fate/Hollow Ataraxia PC Visual Novel
· Light Novels (Fate/Zero) prequel (4 volumes)
Merchandise is noteworthy as well. *LOTS* of figures. Saber has an especially wide array of figures. This extends way past any 1 media. Plushies and other memorabilia are on par with other mainstream anime franchises. Additionally, there are many fan projects, including the completed Original FSN visual novel complete English translation by Mirror Moon(including voice patch) and NDS port for visual novel(including voice patch). 
Aside from the wide array presented here which shows that CLEARLY each of the main characters extends beyond the anime or visual novel, the reception is extremely positive as well. I think no one was paying attention when this "merge" was decided on. Please tell me we can reevaluate this. AllUltima (talk) 13:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully we can, or else I'm going to have to bring this up to some people in high places (since I don't really know how to undo a merge myself). The worst part is, it seems that someone deleted the edit summaries and history when merging it; so, even if someone did revert the merge, the information wouldn't be there (at least that's what it seems to me). Expo377 (talk) 22:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Undoing the "Merge"

message: The person who made the previous edits apparently doesn't know of the VN's existence, tagging some things as 'in the anime' (when they also occur in the VN), not clarifying which parts are anime-original, and some gross factual inaccuracies (like stating that Shirou traces Excalibur in Fate against Berserker, Rider's NP is 'Pegasus', Gae Bolg works by bouncing... LOL?).
All inaccuracies and errors should be fixed now, along with several grammatical errors.
Overmage (talk) 04:55, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, I haven't played the visual novel. Thanks for fixing the oversight of Caliburn/Excalibur. As for Rider's NP, she doesn't reveal that Bell name until she fights Saber so blame the English dub for not making that clear. Gae Bolg does appear to reflect/bounce off the ground in the anime, so if there's a better word, throw it in. AngusWOOF (talk) 05:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The actual explanation for how Gae Bolg works is rather long and unwieldy, so I wasn't sure if I should put it in. It works by reversing cause and effect, so basically, it will be thrown because it has already pierced its target, and not the other way round, meaning the fact that it pierces the enemy is a foregone conclusion regardless of how an enemy dodges. Essentially, it works by twisting fate. The bouncing effect was actually the spear curving at an impossible angle to hit. The thing is that it was a very long piece in the VN itself and as such I thought it might be a bit too much infodumping to explain it there. Nevertheless, it does not bounce, so I removed that part. If someone can explain Gae Bolg in a way that doesn't TL;DR people to death, they should put it in. :p Overmage (talk) 05:58, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed tons of factual inaccuracies 

message: I know it's because of UBW but Sakura doesn't do much in that route either. I have had a discussion on a forum and we ended up saying that Illya was a main character rather than supporting. Does she qualify?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.147.162.224 (talk) 23:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illya's a side character? 

message: There's a lot of original research introduced into this article. Not only is none of it cited, some of it is factually inaccurate, or seemingly based off personal interpretations of the text. Please help by citing any overly wordy explanations, or by removing dubious stuff. 
210.162.17.232 (talk) 07:21, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plenty of original research 

message: Considering how Illya, Kiritsugu and Sakura might move more coverage thanks to the new Fate series focused on them it might be possible to give them character articles. Kiritsugu in particular has a lot of creation information if you check type moon wiki.Tintor2 (talk) 02:54, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential new characters 

message: Hope I can add this here since he's a Fate character as well. Is it possible that we can make a page for Waver since he's also a character that makes multiple appearances in the Fate universe? Mirrorthesoul (talk) 21:12, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know but since you're planning to do the merging of the Fate characters, I thought I would ask here in advance. Hope that was okay, since no one answered in the Fate/Zero characters talk page. And I will :) Thanks! Mirrorthesoul (talk) 21:41, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

text: I think you can also add the spin off characters as well. Mirrorthesoul (talk) 22:23, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waver Velvet