Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball/Players/Archive 1

message: I have just undertaken the first steps at developing a template. Yardcock 20:55, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
:I've done some editing to your template.  First off, I think it was an excellent start.  I've clarified how the basic article would be sectionized.  I think that the entire article from the intro section through the "retirement/post-pro career" section should be written in paragraphs.  Lists should only appear in the playerbox and the other sections (after the retirement section).   —siroχo 08:47, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
I'm looking forward to helping out with this. I don't have any suggestions for the template - it looks fine to me. Varitek 19:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Template1

message: I've created Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Biography to see if anyone else thinks it's a good idea and would be willing to participate. It's still just a rough sketch of an idea. Tecmobowl 22:09, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography portal 

message: Current Player:
*Name
*Mugshot
*Team and Number
*Position
*Bats/Throws
*MLB debut
*Selected stats
*Former teams
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Above is a description of what the current player template looks like. Any suggestions for changes? Is three statistics too few or too many? Should we do stats from only the last full year of play? Should we add a "career highlights" section? These are questions I asked myself when I started the template, and I'm still not sure what I like best.
For retired players, multiple teams and numbers will be needed, and perhaps a "Years Active" field. HoF players will need that along with an induction date. Any other ideas? android79 00:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
Googie Man has suggested that I look at Albert Pujols, Rafael Palmeiro, and Johnny Damon for ideas on what else to include in the infobox. The items that are in that infobox that aren't in mine are: years of experience, age, height/weight, college, current salary, place of birth, and information on draft selection. This is all worthwhile information, and if we can squeeze it into a template without making it huge, I'd like to make that happen. I think only years of experience and age are superfluous – readers should be able to deduce both of these figures from the player's date of birth and MLB debut, and it allows us to avoid making updates every year.
A few other ideas for streamlining the template or offloading some of the info elsewhere:
#Replace "selected statistics" and "former teams" with fairly-detailed stat boxes later in the article
#Keep salary information out of the main infobox, and instead maintain a listing year-by-year of the player's salary info
#Keep strictly biographical information (place of birth) out of the infobox, and make sure it gets mentioned in the article's introduction
When I have time I'll come up with a draft of a new infobox with all or some of this stuff in it.
Also, given the uncertain nature of the copyright status for the headshots, I've been pondering ideas for dealing with that; more later. android79 01:57, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
:There is a very good template (Template:Infobox baseball player) that is on a select few of the Hall of Fame player's pages. I would like to suggest this as the standard template to be used on only HoFer pages. Also, I have been sticking a little notation on each HoFer page advertizing their induction (Template:MLB HoF). It is not much, but it gets the job done. I just started adding that to the HoFer pages in reverse alphabetical order. Please feel free to enhance either template or to begin adding them to pages. Keep on keepin' on.--CrazyTalk 18:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I love the idea of a template and have been using it but it does seem somewhat short to some of the avalable statics on players pages, maybe for more experaced players there could be a larger template (with more then 3 stat fields) there could be a Template:Mlbplayer-n where n is the number of feilds an editor want to use. Also like the idea of a "information current as" of tag at the buttom of the infobox, which could apply to info such as weight as well as stats. and for retired players it could be set to "retirement".Jackalsclaw 04:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So what is going on with this, I still see a variety of templates being used on player pages?  The template is very difficult to use if you have never done it before, and there is no standardization from player to player.  Check out Template:Infobox Bridge for a good example of a template page that is easy to use.  It shows how to setup the template as well as what the values are.  I would suggest a template for pitchers and a template for fielders, and then have stats or other information consistent from article to article.
I brought this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Baseball. I think we should keep current season statistics off player pages. The only case where I have seen this as an issue is at Melky Cabrera, and I have not seen this type of editing conflict with veteran players' pages. The reasoning is similar with regard to keeping current records off team pages. Wikipedia is not a news service, and these types of information would require almost daily updating until the regular season is finished. Current stats at Wikipedia would become inaccurate quickly (perhaps a reason why current player stats are not on many player pages?), and current stats can be easily found online and given links in "External links" sections.  Leave current stats up to Wikinews and other news reporting services. -- Win777 21:05, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template discussion 

message: Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I'd like to get my feet wet by dealing with something I know well. I looked at the Bobby Thomson page and would like to flesh out the Shot Heard Round the World material into its own article. I don't know how to deal with the disambiguation with the Revolutionary War Shot heard 'round the world and I'd appreciate general pointers in how to handle baseball articles on the Wiki. Ferret-aaron 13:48, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help?

message: I was thinking that having a template for season/career statistics would be a nice addition to the bottom of player pages.  Thoughts? --gavindow 07:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would be a valuable addition.-Colin Kimbrell 15:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics template for player pages?/Shiny Logos 

message: Please see Template talk:MLB HoF#Move icon into infobox for suggestion about Template:MLB HoF.  BTW, Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball players#Templates mentions a Template:Mlbhof which may or may not be the same as Template:MLB HoF.  66.167.253.49 20:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  HoF Template 

message: Okay, I've started this (finally). It's extremely similar to the existing template for active players. —BorgHunter (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Fred McGriff for an example of use. —BorgHunter (talk) 01:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of this template and have added it to the Rico Petrocelli page. Can somebody check ot out and let me know if I'm on the right track. ? No Guru 22:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Mlbretired]] 

message: I still haven't seen a reply posted...I'm not sure what to do, would it be on my talk page? 
I've started adding Mlbplayer templates to players in the NL East: Alfonso Soriano, Edgar Rentería, and I even started an article for Lance Cormier and I added an infobox. The first one I did before I found about the project was Brad Wilkerson, even though he now plays for the Texas Rangers. I also updated the Atlanta Braves roster template.
So I'm not sure if I should keep adding the infoboxes, or wait for a response...
--Bookworm1 December 18, 2005
*Go for it. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I didn't see this talk page pop up on my watchlist. android79 05:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re:Joining the WikiProject

message: I noticed that the Bret Boone page had an infobox with Mariners colors and it had his Seattle Mariners mugshot. I was thinking that for free agent players, instead of having the colors on the infobox of the team they last played with, we should have the red and blue MLB colors and note on the "team" part of the infobox that they are a free agent. I also think we should also have the mugshot of the team he last played for (I've got Boone's Minnesota Twins player photo). Any ideas on that?
--Bookworm1 December 19, 2005 19:52 (CT)
*I've been changing free agents to having just a white background; sorry, didn't see that you'd tried to start a discussion about that here. I think that using red and blue would cause too much confusion for those teams that already use red and blue, such as the twins. android79 04:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Free Agent Players

message: I specialize in the Houston Astros--Trick man01 10:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it! android79 15:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will you guys let me join??? 

message: I'm wondering how/if managers are being handled by this project. I've been working on, for New York Mets managers, at least, to add succession boxes to their pages for each team, starting with the Mets. If this is taken as a good idea, I'll work on getting it done for more teams.
Also, I'll work on adding the player infobox as I find ones without them, but I'll work on New York Mets players first. One question I have, though, is where should I get pictures from?
Xalfor 08:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean every manager has a page (at least a stub) but the ones from more than a century ago don't all have succession boxes? Some stubs are one incomplete sentence, some one full screen, so the answer to this question only goes so far. --P64 20:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Managers 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: Sorry I haven't been working on anything lately.
I was wondering about copyrights on Wikipedia. What's the license for a picture from MLB.com? All the pictures I've uploaded from MLB.com are on the list for deletion.
--Bookworm1 February 4, 2006 10:16 (CT)
:Most, if not all, pictures from MLB.com will be deleted as copyright infringement. Most of the headshots I've uploaded using  now violate the wording on that license template; I'm probably going to have them deleted at some point. android79 01:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a way for the current template to work without a photo? Xalfor 09:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Use . Eventually I'll rework the main template so this one is unneeded, but for now that should work. android79 14:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MLB Pictures Copyright 

message: I just updated the infobox on the page for Joe Mays; the infobox was white and said he was a free agent. However, he signed with the Kansas City Royals on December 23, 2005. I changed the colors to royal blue and black. Would those be the correct colors for the Royals?
Anyway, I thought to avoid confusion, it might be a good idea to have a list of colors for each team infobox on the page where the infobox template is. Another idea might be to have a separate template for each team. Just a thought.
--Bookworm1 February 5, 2006 10:25 (CT)
*Way ahead of you. See Template talk:Mlbplayer. Perhaps I should have made this more explicit... android79 01:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Template Infoboxes 

message: Does the Baseball Project have a consensus on using categories versus series/succession boxes? After adding added a few succession boxes (Rookie of the Year, Manager of the Year) to Ozzie Guillen's entry, I now think they would be more appropriate as categories; they also do not yet exist. I think managers are better candidates for succession boxes than award recipients. If anyone has any links, internal or external, dealing with this same issue, please post them. dfg 19:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories versus Succession Boxes?

message: Howdy, I was just roaming around and found that most player's succession boxes have a simple link to the year, like 2001.  I have changed a couple of them to link to 2001.  I think this works better.  I'll probably start changing a bunch of them later.  Cacophony 01:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sucession boxes 

message: Please see my proposal here and comment if you like. Thanks! android79 02:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category proposal for current MLB players 

message: I've started playing around with an updated version of the player infobox. It will allow you to exclude fields that aren't used; for example, if a player has no image, you won't have to use a "-nophoto" template instead; just don't specify an image. The template is at Template:Infobox MLB player, and you can see example usage at Template talk:Infobox MLB player and at Torii Hunter. Let me know what you think. android79 14:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like how that looks. I think it fits perfectly as a replacement for the two templates now. One thing, though slightly unrelated, that I think would be good is some standardization of what statistics are included in the infoboxes. Xalfor 03:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version of infobox 

message: I just created a template, similar to the Template:MLB HoF, that could be placed on every Major League Baseball player who is participating in the Classic. Take a look at it here (Template:WBC 2006) and let me know what you think.
--Bookworm1 March 13, 2006 21:18 (CT)
:Wouldn't this be better served simply by using a category? That, and I don't think using the WBC logo on individual player articles qualifies as fair use of the image. (Same goes for the HOF template. I'm not a huge fan of that, either.) android79 03:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I've long had strong doubts about the HOF logo's fair use on player pages. ×Meegs 03:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By my understanding, the image would be fair use only on the WBC page. However, if you replaced the WBC logo with the flag of the country the player is playing for, I don't think it would look so bad. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 04:11, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Baseball Classic Template 

message: I think I'll try my hand at this here project... --Alex 22:10, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think I will as well. I specialize in the Chicago White Sox, but I could write an article for pretty much any aspect of the game.--Pal5017 04:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds interesting... 

message: I just spent some time fixing up Template:MLB player, adding it to Jeff Weaver (it was already used on a few prominent pages such as Warren Spahn and Kirby Puckett).  Then I came here and saw that there are already better-developed infoboxes that you guys have been working on (Template:Infobox MLB player and Template:Mlbretired).  D'oh!  Template:MLB player is only used on a few players, so it should be easy to sub it out, but are there any ideas in that template that we should apply to the existing templates? -Big Smooth 21:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extra infobox template

message: I was wondering if I could make a suggestion about the team colors used in this template. I made the changes I'm speaking of to the one on Barry Bonds. I'm suggesting using the colors here:  and . 
For instance this was the old color scheme for Bonds/Giants: █ and █
After my change: █ and █
Let me know and I'll make the changes to the main list in the template talk. I just thought we could make the colors more correct. Thanks! -- FPAtl (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team colors for Infobox MLB Player 

message: Currently there is Win (baseball), yet there is no corresponding Loss (baseball). There is also an article Wins which is a baseball wins stub. I'm going to put it up for deletion once I figure out which deletion method is appropriate and add a disambiguation page for Wireless Intelligent Network and Win (baseball). The only two articles I've found doing quick searches for the wins/losses/record stats in baseball are the two wins articles.
The question is, should there be corresponding articles Loss (baseball) and Pitching Record/Record (baseball)? Note that baseball record can mean the pitcher hybrid stat of Wins-Losses, or the analagous statistic for teams. BigNate37 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *I think there should be a Record (baseball) article (stub) for the team statistic, which can provide a link to Pitching record (baseball). Merge the contents of Win (baseball) into Pitching record (baseball) and possibly add a redirect at Loss (baseball) to Record (baseball) so that the Loss disambiguation page can have a link to Loss (baseball), or failing that provide a link like Loss (baseball on the Loss disambig page. BigNate37 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question About Wins/Losses/Pitching Record 

message: I add player templates for current players. Thanks, User:Clay4president
Hello, I'd like to join although my time is limited.  At present I am working on Lee Smith (baseball).   Em-jay-es 07:17, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am joining 

message: I just wanted to let you know that the Biography WikiProject has been reorganized and we wanted to see if you guys were interested in merging with us? We've reorganized it so that it's more like the Military history project with task forces for the specialized areas. One of the task forces we could create could be Athletes-- by merging with us and becoming a task force, you wouldn't lose anything! You'd keep your same page here, it would just be redirected to Athletes task force (which we'd create) and you would continue as before, except that instead you'd also gain the benefits of being part of a larger project. We would give you a parameter to our Project banner (athletes-task-force=yes) and a note would appear that says the article is a part of that task force (see example on military history article), plus having peer reviews and collaborations, and being able to grade articles by class and importance so that the articles can be part of the WP:1.0 project and much more... Let me know what you think! If you are interested, you need to add your project to the task force vote we're currently having plange 16:10, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation 

message: In the article Chase Utley, the absense a former team field with <*nowiki> tags on it appears to push the whole article down.  i was hoping someone could take a look at it.  Thanks. American Patriot 1776 02:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MLB box issue 

message: Lee Smith (baseball) is currently in Wikipedia:Collaboration of the week if anyone wants to vote. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 21:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lee Smith (baseball)]] 

message: *Ruling fresh out of Federal trial court.  Nothing unexpected, but it's still good news for the project. --M@rēino 13:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stats are not (c) protected 

message: As many of you may know, Lee Smith (baseball) was CoTW (still is for some reason; i don't know why), and we made great advancements in the progress of the article.
I was thinking our WikiProject could have it's little CoTW in which we contribute to a baseball player's article and clean it up (preferably someone who is a HoF or famous, but whose page is in bad quality).
Tell me what you guys think!
--Nishkid64 15:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a good idea, I'd be glad to help.  Catfish Hunter looks like it could use some work.  - PoliticalJunkie 14:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I'll get started on that, and anyone else in the WikiProject can join the bandwagon at any time and contribute. --Nishkid64 16:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An inspiration from CoTW 

message: I too would like to join!
I've also updated the template (a bit premature, I know) to support more stats (to accomodate the sabermetrics folks) and recognize MLB awards. If you want to see how it works, check out the player pages for the Los Angeles Angels. It's similar to the current system for stats.
Cardinalwraith 07:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I appreciate your effort, but I personally don't like how the color scheme is working out. If you tweak the previous template (the one that we all use nowadays) instead of using this one, that would make all the baseball player pages more universal because they would have similar templates, instead of different ones for different teams. 
P.S. You're welcome to join the WikiProject. The more, the merrier. --Nishkid64 23:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards and more stats

message: On Manny Ramírez's page, I was just putting up the infobox template.  However, when trying to put in the image, MR1.JPG, it was much too large for the article.  How can I resize it while not breaking the template?  Thanks.  - PoliticalJunkie 16:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Under where you put Image = MR1.JPG|, you add "width=200px|". You can see the addition here. --Nishkid64 12:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Baseball-Reference.com is friendlier for the typical visitor and it includes
roughly the same information --except for careers covered by the 
core Retrosheet project, digitizing play-by-play records, whose published scope
is now major league regular season 1957 to a recent date.
Retrosheet.org includes cemetery data, career end dates as well as begin dates,
and some umpire service data, so it is the better resource for whoever
writes a basic stub. (The basic stubs that I have expanded to ample ones
did not include cemetery data or Retrosheet links. I put cemetery data in the 
last line of text and Retrosheet in the References where I relied upon it.)
A template or two for linking and citing Retrosheet may be useful. See below, 
linking and citing Baseball-Reference. --P64 03:26, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retrosheet player pages 

message: John Hatfield now links to Baseball-Reference redundantly in illustration of several points bulleted here. --P64 04:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baseball-Reference, linking and citing