Talk:San Joaquin College of Law

message: The Ref Improve tag is restored.  Simply because particular cite needed tags are resolved does not satisfy the requirement that references are provided to source the material in the article.  One example -- the Family Law clinic info has no references.  Another concern is the SJALR material.  As discussed above, there is no WP:RS regarding how many courts have cited the review.  Yet another concern is the notable grad section: 1. E.g., are these notable people? (ALJs, Court Commissioners, County Clerks are generally not state-wide offices and therefore do not per se qualify as notable for Wikipedia purposes.)  2.  Where are the refs that tie in these people to SJCoL? --S. Rich (talk) 04:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on your citation issue and have added in all areas requested.  I am deleting the box again.  Your question about showing the connection between these grads and SJCL is another quandrey.  All SJCL JDs are listed at http://www.sjcl.edu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=153&Itemid=151, and that could be used instead of specific references to their positions.  However, this actually provides less information.  Also, while many grads could be cross-referenced to Cal Bar, this would not apply to judges, among others.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mckai (talk • contribs) 16:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See Template:Cite web on how to take care of the quandry of multiple JD listings.  The cite web template will basically allow one entry that is repeated for the individuals as appropriate.  The more non-SJCL sources the better, so when you can cite a third party source that says "Judge so-and-so graduated from SJCL" you should use that source.  (SJCL is a WP:SPS, but it is acceptable in that the listing is not unduly promotional and is reliable, but non-SPS is more encyclopedic.)  Another helpful hint:  When adding material to this page, simply put a colon before the entry, not a space.  When you reply here, add 3 colons. Please do not remove tags and banners until the concern is resolved.  Such editing is disruptive. Thanks. --S. Rich (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can probably tell from the long list of references added over the past few days, I have spent some serious time trying to bring more citations to the table!  In the case of the “Notable Alumni,” I have been able to produce many third-party sources showing both their position and graduation from SJCL in the same article.  However, that is not the case for a very small percentage of those alumni listed.  In all cases, I have supplied the “Class List” from SJCL.  While this is not the highest form of citation, it should satisfy the criteria under WP:SELFANDQUEST.   My thanks for your suggestions and help in this area.  I’ve also been working on your concern about SJALR.  I have added references regarding its niche position of Agriculture, and hope to have references for all of its court citations by the end of the week.  Moving that to the end of the page (as per WP:INCITE)would seem to cut the clutter which previously concerned you.  And I must add you are so right; the revisions make this section much more concise.--Mckai (talk) 19:01, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As per your request on my Talk page, I have deleted references in excess of three per “Notable Alumni.” This has resulted in deletion of the Class List for some, but in those cases, the other references are second party sources directly tying the graduate to SJCL. There are very few cases in which the citation is limited to WP:SELFANDQUEST standards.   In addition, I have made numerous changes and added citations to try to bring the article up to encyclopedic stands.  My goal is to have the Refimprove banner removed in the coming week.  Please let me know if there are any specific places within the article which you feel need to be improved before that can happen.  Thanks again for all of your help and suggestions!--Mckai (talk) 19:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  References needed 

message: WP:INCITE should be followed. It will produce a better quality article. (And please see discussion above.) --S. Rich (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I reformatted "Notable Alumni" to WP: INCITE.  I will remove the "clean up" banner later today, if that's all right with you.--Mckai (talk) 17:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I beat you to it.  But you may not know that such tags alert and invite other editors to come and improve the article.  Wikipedia periodcially engages in "clean up" campaigns which lists articles needing work.  In that regard, a refimprove tag helps more than it detracts. But you should also work on the format of the citations.  Showing them (the news articles) as named sources in the reflist improves the readability and creditablity of the article. --S. Rich (talk) 20:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks again!  I will work on adding the title of articles!--Mckai (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up Tag 

message: McKai is correct about including the notables. The names meet criteria for notability (e.g., federal or statewide office) and have references.--S. Rich (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notables