Talk:List of men's major championships winning golfers

message: I believe the winning span should always have a specific end date even for actively playing golfers. The end date should be the year of the player's last major win. To put "to present" or simply "-" implies" that the golfer is involved in winnng a major today or as we write. For example, on July 20, 2006, the entry for Tiger Woods was written "1997-present" which was absolutely false because he had not won a major since 2005 and the present was July 20, 2006.  It should have said 1997-2005 because that is the span during which Woods won majors.  After he won the Open he should have been changed to "1997-2006". The dates in this column should correspond to the player's major wins, not to his playing career, even if they are the same. Crunch 13:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winning span should always have a specific end date 

message: After winning the 2006 PGA Championship, the huge headline on ESPN.com was "A sublime PGA performance merits Tiger his 12th major, second only to Jack Nicklaus". On the main story,  linked directly from PGAtour.com (PGA Tour's official site), it stated "Now, only Jack Nicklaus and his 18 majors stand in the way of Woods' becoming golf's greatest champion.". 
I think it's fine to include the "Alternative ranking including amateur majors" section, but it's not appropriate to change the rankings in the main table or include amateur wins there. It's a small minority view that Tiger is not second to Nicklaus in major victories and thus ranking him third in the table is borderline original research. I'd also like to see the "alternative rankings" section cite a few sources. Aren't I Obscure? 00:35, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've never disputed that you can find sources that show that the amateurs were considered majors in Jones's era and not in the modern era. However, the mainstream view is that Majors = professional majors. Thus, the main table should reflect this. The "alternative rankings" section is sufficient to show the minority opinion. It's a matter of not applying undue weight to a view held only by a few. Aren't I Obscure? 01:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

text: If you're still convinced that the main chart should list Tiger third, see if you can find five different articles that describe's Tiger 12th major victory as placing him behind Bobby Jones and Nicklaus. Again, I fully support the inclusion of information on the "amatuer major" rankings, but they should not be treated as the mainstream view. Aren't I Obscure? 01:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Amateur" majors revisited

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In the above section I provided over a dozen mainstream sources from today, including a list directly from the PGA Tour's official site that explicitly states that Tiger is second in major victories only to Nicklaus. You found five sources (of various quality) from the past few years that describe Jones as having 13 majors. It is indisputable that the commonly accepted view is that Tiger is second only to Nicklaus. According to NPOV policy, this majority view is the one that should be primarily represented in this article. The minority view should (and does) have its own section. Aren't I Obscure? 16:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: A third opinion, by request.  Men's major golf championships discusses the history, but the chart in that article shows only the four current majors, and lists Bobby Jones with seven majors total.  This does seem to shortchange Jones (as well as, arguably, Hagen, who won the Western Open several times before the Masters existed).  It's obvious that the predominant definition includes only the four current majors; this strikes me as unfair, but we have to go with what predominates.  A reasonable compromise might be to tag those golfers active before the institution of the Masters tournament with an asterisk, and include a footnote or alternate table giving the revised totals and ranks if other tournaments are included.  Powers T 19:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has turned into a very informative and well written entry.  Aktornado 14:38, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this has more or less been resolved, do you want to close the mediation case? Jsw663 10:31, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third opinion 

message: Raymond Floyd isn't on the accompanying list, but he won two majors.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.24.20 (talk) 16:48, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  amateur titles when they were considered majors 

message: Just an idea...I like the winning years span in the first chart.  How about adding another column which lists the age of the golfer when he won his first and last major title.Juve2000 (talk) 19:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that strays into the territory of WP:NOTTRIVIA and would probably be hard to source for some of the winners of older tournaments. NapHit (talk) 19:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age Span 

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message: It seems to me that the consensus is (1) keep the table but add it to Chronological list of men's major golf champions instead of here, (2) remove the background colors which fail MOS:COLOR. I would also propose (3) adding it above the existing table there, since it seems to me much more useful than that one and also (4) keeping it in forward chronological order which seems to me to be implied by the article name: "Chronological list ...". This is the order we've had for the last few months, although the opposite of the order we had for many years before that. I'm happy to do all this, unless someone else wants to. Nigej (talk) 17:04, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I think it looks really good as is, and I'd very much recommend keeping the flags. We'd all appreciate if this was done sooner rather than later.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShaneRyan12 (talk • contribs) 17:29, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think that adequately sums up the above discussion, although there may be scope for merging the tables there once done. Agree regarding orders (both of tables and chronology). wjematherplease leave a message... 18:03, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

text: Chronology. wjematherplease leave a message... 00:03, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

text: However it's very common on Wikipedia: President of the United States tells you about the position (equivalent to Men's major golf championships) but you're struggling to find a list of them there, the main list being held at List of presidents of the United States. I think we can cover this by a hatnote from Men's major golf championships to the other two. Nigej (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus, if all the tables were in one article, it would necessitate a split into a main article and one or more list articles; i.e. what we have now. wjematherplease leave a message... 08:56, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think what we have now is the way to go. A separate chronological list and this list with the total numbers and by country. Having all three tables in one list is unruly in my opinion. It's not too hard to navigate from a chronological list to this one and vice versa. Usefulness isn't a criteria for keeping that list here. What I'd do is keep them separate and bring the chronological one up to featured standard. If at the review, it's determined they should be merged, then so be it. But that's just my view. NapHit (talk) 13:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Consensus

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