Talk:Mind–body interventions

message: Mind-body interventions during labor and Mind-body interventions during pregnancy should both be merged here. Famousdog (talk) 10:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody raised any issues so I merged these two articles and NPOVed them a bit. Famousdog (talk) 12:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merges

message: Someone went to town with about 10 template messages at the top of this article.  The original writer definitely made some assumptions, but the problem is that this type of medicine, by nature, is not going to have a lot of viable scientific references.  That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be included in Wikipedia.  The article just needs a little more of the other point of view, and some better references, not to be rewritten completely.Editfromwithout (talk) 04:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the fact that "this type of medicine is not going to have a lot of viable scientific references" does mean it shouldn't be included on Wikipedia. Read WP:MEDRS. Since no improvements have been made in response to my tagging of this article, I'm going to start deleting content soon. Famousdog 10:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For sources that provide descriptive information (but not MEDRS research study level of sources - in other words, not for proving health benefit), we can look to the type of book that summarizes various modalities. Mirka Knaster's book Discovering the Body's Wisdom talks extensively on this subject, enough that I wasn't actually able to find an easy way to plug it as a source here (the book goes into a lot of detail and this article is extremely general in giving the big-picture overview). I hope to spend some time working on this for the Somatics article (which is being re-written by a different editor) and when that article is improved, a re-direct may be appropriate. --Karinpower (talk) 05:32, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning rewrite and dubious information

message: Perhaps this reveals something I don't yet understand about WP, but doesn't this page essentially duplicate the list at Category:Mind–body_interventions? There are some items missing from each of these lists, and I don't understand why this list is being maintained separately. If someone can spell this out for me, or link to an appropriate explanation, that would be appreciated.--Karinpower (talk) 05:23, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  How does the list on this page relate to the Category list? 

message: It's unclear how mind-body training is anything more than a synonym for mind–body interventions. One of the spam links for 2Mynds has been removed from the external links section in that article; two remain, purporting to be references. Flapjacktastic (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge from [[mind-body training]] 

message: Let me start by clarifying that I would like to stay away from actual editing, because I have a very close connection with the subject (I developed 2Mynds). That also means I know quite a bit about mind-body interventions and mind-body training, so I am happy to contribute in this section and leave the editing to the author and others who do not have a vested interest. I agree that mind-body training could be merged into mind-body interventions. However, if that route is taken I suggest to present it not simply as a synonym, because some authors (see the Cochrane review by Gendron for scientific publications) see it as a subset - a specific type of training that alternates mind and body components. This is potentially also an argument to leave it as it is - as a short separate entry.
Two arguments to keep it separate:
# Training is not the same as an intervention. Training is a type of intervention. For example, hypnotherapy would generally not be considered training, but it is an intervention. Similarly, prayer is considered a mind-body intervention but should not be classified as mind-body training.
# Mind-body training, as used by some authors, is reserved for training that alternates physical and mental components (in order to train the mind under higher stress conditions). This is described in the mind-body training article. This is different from virtually all mind-body interventions, which train physical and mental components simultaneously, i.e. yoga, taichi, autogenic training, biofeedback or mind-body interventions that solely train mental components, like imagery, and meditation. 
In summary, even though there is overlap, there are logical considerations to see mind-body training as a subset of, and not simply a synonym for, mind-body interventions. If this can be presented well under mind-body interventions and if merging would not hinder finding mind-body training as a topic, I believe it can also make sense to merge. AlwaysLearning (talk) 07:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some considerations regarding merging or keeping it separate 

message: I believe the reference to the online link about mind-body training on the 2Mynds site is informative (reference 5). It explains in detail how mental and physical components are alternated and how physical components are used to introduce stress and increased heart rate. There are not many other public references that explain this. However, I agree that reference 11 is not needed. It also seems that it is not referenced in the text. The same is true for reference 12. Again, because I want to stay as impartial as possible and not get involved in editing, I will not make edits, but I do concur that references 11 and 12 can be taken out. AlwaysLearning (talk) 07:53, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding references 

message: The source give me warning plus it is not sufficient IMO:
"In the 2017 pro-use of mind-body treatments, the documentary Heal directed by Kelly Noonan Gores states "that our thoughts, beliefs, and emotions have a high impact on our health and ability to heal." "
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:49, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: let's discuss about the pseudoscientific claim here. In my opinion, labeling pseudoscientific to the whole idea is incorrect, and 181.118.137.64 have to provide sources why they think it is pseudoscientific. As 181.118.137.64 is the party that made change, I will revert to stable version first. Please remember the WP:3RR rules, only 3 reverts/day is allowed. SunDawntalk 05:46, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I guess we had the same idea at the same time. Great minds...   signed, Willondon (talk)  05:50, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  181.118.137.64 

message: One editor favours calling Mind-body interventions pseudoscience in the lede . Granted, MBI falls under alternative medicine, which covers plenty of things that are pseudo-scientific, but that's not the same thing as non-scientific. The first three mentioned, yoga, tai chi, and Pilates are not pseudo-scientific, because they don't claim to be based on science or evidence-based medicine, as some other therapies are. So you can't cover all of mind-body interventions with the same brush as some specific instances of it. In favouring calling it pseudo-scientific, they draw on the Pseudoscience article with "". This doesn't apply to many of the things discussed in this article. I don't think this article needs a prominent mention of pseudoscience, broadly applied, or any mention at all.   signed, Willondon (talk)  05:49, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with your arguments. Yoga, tai-chi, etc. did not claim to be based on science, and by adding the pseudoscientific claim it gave the wrong impression that yoga etc. are also pseudoscientific, which they are not. SunDawntalk 06:09, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is pseudo-science relevant to this article?