Talk:Pain compliance

message: I changed this article from a redirect to Grappling hold#Pain compliance hold to its own stub article. I did this primarily to add electroshock weapon as a method of applying pain. Tasers have somewhat increased pain compliance's public profile. Flatscan (talk) 02:58, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub creation 

message: I have been unable to find a statement from a human rights group that directly ties pain compliance to torture. I have removed the sentence from the article.
I did find two recent (2007) statements Amnesty International that mention "pain compliance" and potential abuse with regard to Tasers:
Flatscan (talk) 20:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torture and opposition by human rights activists 

message: I removed the taser reference, as a taser does not use pain for compliance.  Check the taser page for more info.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.211.150 (talk) 04:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for editing the article. Please see Taser#Drive Stun. Briefly, the Taser disrupts motor function and causes pain; since it does both, it doesn't rely on pain compliance alone. If you think this point should be made clearer in the Taser article, feel free to leave a note here or at Talk:Taser. Flatscan (talk) 06:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taser 

message: I searched Google Books for possible sources. The best was Criminal Justice Ethics. Other possibilities discussed pain compliance briefly in non-law enforcement contexts, including Handbook of hospital security and safety and some martial arts or self-defense hobbyist books. Flatscan (talk) 04:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: This article’s claim that “altered states such as mental illness, phencyclidine and amphetamine use […] may alter the subject's perception of pain or willingness to submit” is of dubious veracity. Claims of this nature should be treated with extreme skepticism.
Why? Most immediately, this claim should be treated with skepticism because it is asserted without evidence.
But there is something else going on here, and it helps us to understand why somebody might add so bold a claim to a Wikipedia article without any evidence to support it: folklore.
As far as I can tell, belief in the supposed effect of these drugs upon compliance with law enforcement originates in a sort of urban legend or moral panic, perhaps originating among American police officers. If you search the internet for information about “PCP” and violent crime, the stories you will come across are more folkloric in nature than encyclopaedic: the kind of lurid, unsourced claims that were once spread by chain emails.
The claim as it appears in this article is cautiously worded, but the stories about “PCP” one encounters elsewhere go a lot further. Criminal suspects believed to be affected by “PCP” are presented not only as invulnerable to pain, but as possessing superhuman strength and resolve.
In many ways, the American moral panic regarding “PCP” resembles the hysteria surrounding the “crack epidemic”, “crack babies”, etc. That one also trickled up from law-enforcement, and the consequences were devastating: knee-jerk legislative changes produced a sentencing disparity now widely accepted to be a de-facto instrument of racial discrimination.
That, I think, makes clear the potential cost of presenting dangerous nonsense as fact to a readership numbering in the millions. Foxmilder (talk) 04:50, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the effects of certain drugs upon compliance