Talk:Japanese martial arts

message: An attempt was made to insert Shinkendo as its own section which I basically disagree with since I don't think it really is its own class of Gendai martial art.  However it does raise the issue should there be a further section such as the Koryu section (Other koryū martial arts) or perhaps Iaido should be moved down so that modern sword practices could find a place.  I hesitate to make the change without opinion since I think the article is reasonably balanced now with respect to weights given to main martial arts.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:44, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Small reorganization

message: This statement bothers me.
"Karate practice is primarily characterized by linear punching and kicking techniques executed from a stable, fixed stance."
I offer that this could be the view (from the outside looking in) of a person whose art may not be karate do, has not practiced for very long, or who has received limited instruction.
First... Movement is where karate's real potential is unleashed. In every endeavor, you crawl before you walk before you run. But even here, some of the most basic classic forms of martial arts employ simple movement *with* the attacks. The very first forms of Shotokan, Shorin Ryu, and Taequondo all do this. Separating step and attack is something done only in the junior junior white belt classes. It's equivalent to teaching a boxer how to throw punches while standing still. That's just a step on the path - no pun intended.
Second... my own style of Uechi Ryu Karate Do has no (zero) seiken fist in any of the three original forms of Sanchin, Seisan, and Sanseiryu. Only the bridge forms brought in the seiken fist.
Third... my own style of Uechi Ryu Karate Do is not primarily linear. Rather it's about half linear and half circular. Have you ever seen the movie Karate Kid? Remember wax on, wax off?? The wauke translates roughly as circle (wa) receive (uke). Circular movement starts with Sanchin, and continues on through the more advanced kata. These same circular moves can also be found in both Japanese and Okinawan variations of Goju Ryu. All these are Naha-area styles.
And finally... Okinawan tegumi or wrestling pre-dates that which came of the mixing of China hand and Okinawan native fighting. The net is not a striking style, but rather a mix of the two. Way before MMA was cool, my teacher of Goju Ryu (also from special forces) was teaching me the judo and aikido principles within traditional Naha te styles. I would offer that sport karate and the narrow view of Funakoshi grammar school exercise temporarily ignored the grappling half of Okinawa te. Now that the sport ring is embracing both striking and grappling, the rest of the Western world is discovering that which was there all along.
If you need verification of any of this, I suggest you look at Kanei Uechi's Kyohon - a book about the size of Webster's unabridged dictionary. (Unfortunately all in Japanese) You can also find this in George Mattson's Uechiryu Karatedo, or Seikichi Toguchi's book on Okinawan Goju Ryu. Finally... any version of the Bubishi (e.g. Patrick McCarthy) will address that, and introduce the concept of the 36 Habitual Acts of Physical Violence. That's pretty much the basis of all these arts. Sport, gym class, and "dojo daycare" are all modern spin-offs.
96.238.182.26 (talk) 14:09, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
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