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Talk:Israel/Israel and the Occupied Territories-4

message: :::::The Biblical story tells of God's promise of the Holy land to Abraham's descendants, which include Isaac and Ishmael. Of course, you are free to interpret the stories any way you want, of course to you, Jews are the sole inheritors of Abraham's legacy. Muslims interpret it differently.--Alberuni 18:55, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The Holy Land was promised to the descendants of Abraham including both his sons, Isaac and Ishmael. That's what I wrote. You, as usual, quote selectively to suit your extremist agenda. Muslims see the covenant with Abraham as a promise to all the children of Abraham who maintain the covenant. When it says the Holy Land is promised to the Jews, that does not mean that only Jews are to receive the blessing. It means that Jews are included in the blessing. I think this is a futile exercise because we have entered into the realm of faith and there is no point arguing with a religious fanatic. But, since you asked......please read these sections and see if it helps you to understand.....You are saying, "My father promised me an inheritance". Your brother says, "My father promised me an inheritance too." Your response is, "You can't have an inheritance, my father promised me THE inheritance, the whole inheritance. Get lost!" This has been going on for 3000 years. Alberuni 03:56, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bible many times clarifies which children of Abraham this promise applies to.  I am not stating my own beliefs, which are irrelevant, but simply quoting the Biblical passages, which is also the position of Judaism.  Islam does not use the Taurat for proofs, since it considers it corrupted, and you have nowhere shown that Islam considers Israel to be anything but the land of the Jews; your quotes are not relevant to that, mine are. Jayjg 16:54, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Hard to imagine anyone but a religious extremist would post this lengthy list of irrelevant Qur'an quotes bashing Jews. Jayjg 02:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: What do the Bible and Qur'an say about the land of Israel?
Talk:Israel/Israel and the Occupied Territories-5

message: My proposed changes:
  When Israel refused their reentryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Watchlist
My watchlist
To:
  When Israel refused their return
Tourists reenter, inhabitants return.
:"When Israel did not allow most of them to return".  Some were allowed to return. Jayjg 03:22, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, we need a source for that. Palestine-info 09:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was wrong.  However, the situation was more complex than "Israel refused their re-entry"; in 1949, Israel offered to allow families that had been separated during the war to return, to release refugee accounts frozen in Israeli banks (eventually released in 1953), to pay compensation for abandoned lands and to repatriate 100,000 refugees. The Arabs rejected these offers, as they were unwilling to take any action that might be construed as recognition of Israel, and made repatriation a precondition for negotiations, something Israel rejected. The impasse was not resolved, and no refugees were permitted to return. Jayjg 17:49, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I was right, as many as 35,000 were allowed to return.  Jayjg 20:08, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reentry/Return 

message: My proposed changes:
  see Palestinian Exodus for a discussion of the circumstances.
To:
  see Palestinian Exodus for a discussion of the circumstances. Today 
  they descendants live in refugee camps surrounding Israel and still pledge
  for their return.
Mentioning were the refugees went is important. In NO place, in this consensus article, is it mentioned that two groups both claim Israel/Palestine as their home. That is an important fact to mention.
::"Many of their descendants live in refugee camps in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, or surrounding Arab countries, and claim a right of return". Jayjg 03:25, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  More refugees 

message: My proposed addition:
  In 1956, in a joint operation Britain, France and Israel attacked 
  Egypt because the latter had nationalized the Suez Canal. Egypt swiftly
  lost the war and was forced to open the canal to Israeli shipping and was 
  forbidden from keeping troops in the Sinai.
Since Israel's pretext for declaring war with Egypt, was that Egypt canceled the "rights" Israel had won with violence in 1956, I think mentioning that war is important.
::Have a look at this:  Jayjg 03:27, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blub about the Suez War
Talk:Israel/Israel and the Occupied Territories-6

message: My proposed changes:
  Egypt ordered United Nations peacekeeping forces to leave the Sinai, and in their
  place, Egyptian tanks and troops were concentrated on the border with Israel.
To:
 
  Egypt ordered United Nations peacekeeping forces to leave the Sinai, and in their
  place, Egyptian forced were stationed there.
Because Egyptian forces were entrenched in the whole of Sinai. Egypt was preparing for a defensive war and there was no plan to invade Israel. There is already an article about the Six-day War, so every detail can't be written here too. But those facts that are written here, should reflect the truth.
::Um, Egypt poured troops into the Sinai in order to prepare for a "defensive war"?  And Nasser certainly said he was going to invade Israel. In fact, on May 25th Nasser announced to the Egyptian parliament: "The problem before the Arab countries is not whether the port of Eilat should be blockaded or how to blockade it – but how totally to exterminate the State of Israel for all time."  That doesn't sound very defensive to me. Jayjg 03:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not willing to discuss all the aspects of the conflict with you or anyone else here. If you so desire, use my talk page. Here we try to find the best wordings. My argument is that the sentence ending with "... concentrated on the border with Israel." Is factually wrong because Egyptian troops were stationed all over Sinai. Palestine-info 09:10, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't intend to discuss something, then don't bring it up in the first place.  Egypt's tanks and troops may have been all over the Sinai, but they were concentrated on the border with Israel.  The current wording is factual and accurate. Jayjg 17:46, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: "... There is a general agreement among commentators that Nasser neither wanted nor planned to go to war with Israel. What he did was to embark on an exercise in brinkmanship that was to carry him over the brink.
Nasser took three steps that were intended to impress Arab public opinion rather than be a conscious prelude to war with Israel. The first step was to send a large number of troops into Sinai. The second was to ask for the removal of the UN Emergency Force from Sinai. The third and most fateful step, taken on 22 May, was to close the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping. For Israel this constituted a casus belli. It canceled the main achievement of the Sinai Campaign." (Avi Shalim, The Iron Wall, p.237)
Palestine-info 08:44, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're certainly free to state that some believe Nasser was only sabre rattling to appease the Egyptian public, but stating it as fact when he gave every indication that he actually wanted war is going way too far. Jayjg 13:05, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of the Six-day war
Talk:Israel/Israel and the Occupied Territories-7

message: My proposed addition:
  Israel is also a Jewish state. That means that Israel gives more privilegies to 
  its Jewish citizens than its other citizens. Some see that as an expression of 
  racism.
Israel's Jewish character needs to be given much more coverage than this. Not even mentioning the fact that each and every Jew can at anytime settle in Israel, while the Palestinian refugees cannot return, is a disgrace against the truth.
::Editorials don't belong in an article, particularly ones which contain broad un-referenced claims. Jayjg 03:59, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You still haven't provided any references to the other un-referenced claims, and Tutu's opinions about Israel are the opinion of one man, and not relevant to the situation. Jayjg 17:38, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics and law 

message: I disagree with that sentence. It is not a tradition to have a Jewish state. Zionism is a European political movement of religious nationalism. It is not a tradition. That's like calling apartheid a tradition.  I also disagree with the characterization that the modern state of Israel (the subject of this article) is the spiritual home for Jews. The Holy Land is the spiritual home for Jews and other Abrahamic religions whether or not Israel is the political state of the moment. This article should not be just the Jewish POV about Israel. --Alberuni 15:40, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  By Tradition a Jewish State?
Talk:Grown Backwards

message: Certainly this album doesn't qualify as alternative rock. Allmusic describes it as simply rock but in the review, opera is the main genre tossed around. Although its not exactly technically accurate to call it opera, that alternative rock label has gotta change. For now, I'm going to simply add opera to the infobox, but if anyone disagrees, feel free to try to think of something better. Glassbreaker5791 (talk) 14:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative Rock?
Talk:Electrohydrodynamics

message: EHD and electrokinetics refer to the study of ....., while electrokinesis, dielectrophoresis, etc... refer to the actual transport phenomena. So, the topic electrokinesis has to have its own description as do the other transport mechanisms. The EHD page being reserved for topics relating to the STUDY of the phenomena. So, electrokinesis should NOT be merged into EHD, even if EHD study covers the electrokinesis phenomena. - Blaze Labs Research 19:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there seem to be no objections, I've removed the merging notice. - Blaze Labs Research 17:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regarding the merge of [[Electrokinesis]]

message: Just a note re problem edits of related articles: the user.ono.com anon near Valencia, Spain has used the IP:
Apparently not the vandal over at BBeffect.
---CH 02:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Re vandalizations of [[Lifter (ionic propulsion device)]] and [[Biefeld–Brown effect]]
Talk:Ball (mathematics)

message: There are several instances in the current article where the ball is referred to as the "interior" of the sphere.  Unfortunately "interior" also means something distinct in a context very near this one; specifically the (topological) interior of any set is the largest open set contained in that set.  In particular, the (topological) interior of the closed ball is the open ball.  Importantly, the -dimensional sphere interpreted as embedded -dimensional space has the empty set as its (topological) interior.  Instead interpreting the -dimensional sphere as its own manifold gives the entire -dimensional sphere as its own (topological) interior.  Either way, the (topological) interior of the sphere is not the ball.  Is anyone else concerned about this?  Should we change the article to either avoid the use of "interior" or to clarify that it is not the topological interior that is meant?  𝕃eegrc (talk) 14:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of "interior" 

message: The end of the sentence "The closure of the open ball  is usually denoted " appears incorrectly. There should just be one horizontal line over the entire expression , rather than a separate horizontal line over each letter. It's not obvious to me how to get the desired behavior using the existing markup language. I'm not sure where to report bugs in the markup language, if there is somewhere please let me know. David9550 (talk) 11:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Math markup bug

message: Is it related to meteric spaces? 2409:4055:210:3DBB:A7FF:39E6:636E:D2B0 (talk) 03:45, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  open ball
Talk:Blackwater River (New Zealand)

message: I'm not convinced by this - even the finest scale maps of the Buller River I can find don't show the Blackwater as a tributary, and the only place it turns up on the web (apart from lists of New Zealand rivers and clones of the Wikipedia article) is one page on white-water rafting, which refers to it as having a confluence with the Mangles River. It's not even mentioned as a river in the Wises NZ guides - usually the bible of NZ geography. Anyone got the real info? Grutness 10:09, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Not convinced...
Talk:Jōdō

message: Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art
I've heard another version of this duel. It's basicly the same setting except Muso uses one of those long japanese swords, No-dachi or o-dachi. 
The story also say that Muso got the inspiration for jodo by a revelation:
"Whatever the case may be, Gonnosuke lost the first duel. Mortified, he withdrew to Homangu, part of the Kamado Shinto shrine atop Mount Homan, in Chikuzen province, (present-day Dazaifu, Fukuoka Prefecture) Kyushu. For 37 days he meditated and performed rites of austerity. On the last night night, while praying in front of an altar, he collapsed and had a divine vision.
In one version, a heavenly child appeared and said, "Holding a round log, know the suigetsu (an attack point on the body)."
" link koryu.com
Fred26 18:17, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art add yourself! 

message: Surely jo are of a more-or-less(!) standard length (See e.g. the jo article)... and considerably longer than "the average length of a walking stick". Does anyone know where this statement and the measurements in the introduction come from? Otherwise I'd suggest correcting them to match the true info in the jo article. 94.193.93.59 (talk) 22:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of jo
Talk:Bōjutsu

message: Why is silambam mentioned? This is obviously a Japanese thing, not Sri Lankan. It doesn't say staff fighting, it says bojutsu.
NumericalWarfare (talk) 17:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary text 

message: This only talks about Okinawan bojutsu, which has nothing to do with the Japanese version, since Karate and its components weren't taught in the mainland until the 1900s. AFAIK the word just means any kind of fighting with sticks, so even an European style would be called that in Japanese, but that doesn't mean they are the same thing. 2001:14BA:2BEA:C600:B042:572B:BD51:A9E9 (talk) 12:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okinawan vs Japanese
Talk:Shintaido

message: This is quite a difficult martial art to write an article about, as it has some martial applications, but is based upon using psychic energy to defeat an opponent. Dessydes
:Perhaps, but the article is in absurdly bad shape as things stand. I saw it on "Mind, Body & Kickin' Moves" (where it came across as psychobabble nonsense) and looked it up here to find gibberish. Can a acknowledgeable practitioner improve it? JJL (talk) 03:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difficult one this 

message: A lot of work has been done on this page now.  How does one request to remove hidden categories that suggest content is unreliable?Edobarn (talk) 00:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Work 

message: Good talking to you both today. Let's use this page to find a list of citations bulk out the article a bit and make it more authoritative.
Silhouettist (talk) 20:10, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations
Talk:Shorinji Kempo

message: I came across this article and I thought that given this is a stub in the English version of wikipedia, it would be good to make the English version of hombu's website the first link.JohnFoote (talk) 15:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark as stub 

message: Can somebody explain what "branches within Japan can be a doin" means?
--Alastair Rae (talk) 18:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  doin 

message: I've attempted to preserver the spirit of the article while removing incorrect grammar, spelling, punctuation and sentences that just didn't make any sense (I'm sure it meant something in the original Japanese). Please assist by correcting obvious English errors. I've changed the term 'trainings' to 'techniques' as it just makes more sense. I'm half way through... more to come. 203.109.200.9 (talk) 01:49, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edit 

message: May I add to this page?  I am a practising shorinji kempo kenshi in the WSKO organisation since 2008 so know a little about the subject and have a number of books for reference.  I ask because I understand that Wikipidia is supposed to be an unbiased source and don't wish to compromise that.  To clarify I am neither an instructor nor a paid employee of any of the Shorinji kempo organisations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.42.68 (talk) 18:29, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course you can. You are very welcome to contribute to the article. Before you start editing, I suggest you take a look at this page, as well as to the whole tutorial, which summarizes some of the most important guidelines of the project. --Dan Kenshi (talk) 00:08, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editor Bias question
Talk:Combat judo

message: Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art
As far as I understand it Combat Judo is just a local varient name of Dumog.
As such it doesn't need its own entry especially since Wikipedia in International in scope and the term Combat Judo is too easily confused with regular Judo or any number a varients  practiced elsewhere.Peter Rehse 07:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_martial_art add yourself!
Talk:Panantukan

message: I am moving the article to Suntukan, which is the correct Filipino name and term for boxing and empty hands in Filipino Martial Arts -Object404 (talk) 20:58, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming article

message: This article really needs some sources sited, especially for "Panantukan's basic boxing formulae are the roots of Western boxing, and thus resemble the modern style very closely."and a cleanup would be nice too... --Mista-X 11:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source and cleanup

message: I'm removing the infobox because panantukan is just a component of FMA, not a separate style of its own. This article even says that panantukan is very rarely taught by itself. And I've never seen a training hall which teaches only panantukan, so I'm just saying "rarely" to give people the benefit of the doubt. The pananjakman and mano mano articles don't have infoboxes, neither should this one.Morinae (talk) 10:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox
Talk:Sikaran

message: This article should not be deleted because Sikaran is a completely separate martial art from the more commonly known Arnis/Kali/Eskrima.
It is more obscure and is mostly kick-oriented and is practiced here in the north, near the province of Rizal. There are some practicioners in the capital because Antipolo, Rizal is right next to Marikina City, of the National Capital Region.  
I've seen it practiced by locals (as opposed to what is taught outside the Philippines) and it is significantly different from Tae Kwon Do, Karate and Muay Thai.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Object404 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: PROD removed
Talk:Krabi–krabong

message: Why does this article have an image of the Burmese panther dance? Even though krabi krabong and banshay are related this is going too far, especially since the costume depicted is not Thai at all. Morinae (talk) 09:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please confirm that is no longer here.Kortoso  (talk) 05:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Of course, the Thai word is written "ดาบ" and there are no "r" sounds in this, but it seems that that most common transliteration is "darb", followed by "daab". The RTGS system (for what it's worth) uses the spelling "daap"  Kortoso  (talk) 05:27, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darb and/or daab?
Talk:Muay boran

message: Was Muay Boran actually featured in one of the Tony Jaa's films? Shawnc 10:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depiction in films 

message: I've read Pradal Serey was also a possible predecessor to Muay Thai. How does Muay Boran relate, if any, to Pradal Serey? Someone also mentions that the word "Boran" means "ancient" or "old" in Khmere.
As with the Muay Thai article, I've reverted to a previous page since the history was messed up with a bias for Cambodia and an irrelevant comparison to krav maga.Morinae 09:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any relations to Pradal Serey? 

message: The author who suggested that Muay Korat is only performance oriented is seriously misguided.  The system fully exists and is practiced and taught within Thailand as well as many other ancient systems.  I have spent time with Kru Bua's son and many of the remaining masters of Korat.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackdiamondcobra (talk • contribs) 02:43, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muay Systems 

message: The header of the article appears to suffer from a number of syntax errors(including at least one obvious repetition). I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of the subject material to edit it, but if someone has at least sufficient knowledge not to alter anything important, they should proofread/correct it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.152.14.232 (talk) 22:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall article quality 

message: Muay Kad Chuk (Bound Fist Boxing): A pre-1920s variant of Muay Thai that is similar to Myanmar's style of Lethwei, in which it utilizes punches, kicks, elbows, knees, throws, & even headbutts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.175.142.86 (talk) 01:36, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muay Kad Chuk (Bound Fist Boxing)
Talk:Cuong Nhu

message: Hello to my fellow CN practitioners. (Especially Adam and Sensei Robert!!)
I was using WP to do some quick research and noticed the Cuong Nhu article, which I hadn't seen in quite some time.  (I think I saw it last shortly after it was first posted.)
I am truly impressed with your efforts, but the article is still being defined in WP as a "stub".  I have been looking through Wiki's Martial Arts Project, and I was thinking of making the effort to expand the Cuong Nhu article into something more akin to those dedicated to other nationally recognized arts.
Rather than play tug-of-war with edits, I thought it made sense to contact -several- people in CN to gather material and make editorial decisions.
You can reach me either here, or through the talk section of my user page.
CN Sensei (talk) 03:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greetings to fellow CN authors. 

message: Random Notes
 - Check proper use of pronunciation key as used with other Vietnamese words  e.g. - Ku-ung Nyoo etc...
     #REDIRECT Help:IPA  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA   pronunciation help  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cnsensei (talk • contribs) 18:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing Notes - To Do list 

message: It would help if Notability could be addressed.  expansion of the article to show world wide spread and the inclusion of independent sources.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:42, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability