Talk:Iazyges

message: Is there any reason why the 1911 version still appears at the end of the page?  I see very little info here that is not covered more fully and accurately in the much better main article, apart from only this:
:They were divided into freemen and serfs (Sarmatae Limigantes), the latter of whom had a different manner of life and were probably an older settled population enslaved by nomad masters. They rose against them in AD 34, but were repressed by foreign aid.
Codex Sinaiticus 19:24, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Need to clarify the events of 92. Legio XXI Rapax was destroyed by a coalition of Dacians and Rhoxolani at Tropaeum Traiani.--Codrin.B (talk) 23:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  92 

message: As pointed out by the tags, the article needs dire improvement. I hope to do this soon, by adding more history and archaeology and less diatribe about supposed Iazygi - Jasi connection Slovenski Volk (talk) 09:37, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: Is ['aɪɯzɪɡeːz] meant as the English pronunciation? If so, I wonder whether ɯ is the correct vowel. The English example cited in Close back unrounded vowel is a California pronunciation of "goose," suggesting something akin to "I-oo-zig-ayz," which seems off. If it's meant as an ancient pronunciation, I'm not familiar with Classical Greek, but the article on that language, at least, does not show ɯ to have been used. Either way, if there's a pronunciation guide that could be cited, that would help. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 20:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That pronunciation definitely seems wrong. If I am not mistaken, Ancient Greek Ἰάζυγες (whence Latin Iazyges) should be something like IPA [ja'd͡zyːɡes]. Cagwinn (talk) 22:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  (I'm on a phone so forgive mistakes) it should sound like I (as in Eye) uh (as in Uh) zig (as in ziggurat) e (hard e sound, like the end of wallaby), z (like in ziggurat). I-uh-zig-e-z basically. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:47, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds more likely for English. I've updated the article to reflect that for now (moving the stress mark, on the assumption that the "zig" is emphasized), but it would be best to find outside confirmation. Lusanaherandraton (talk) 23:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, for the Greek form of the name, I think stress belongs on the accented -a- and the -z- should be -dz-, as per Ancient Greek phonology. The Latin form of the name is properly Ĭāzyges (trisyllabic, according to Lewis & Short's Latin Dictionary), with an accented, long -a-; the Latin -y-, which was borrowed from Greek, is close front rounded vowel, both short and long: /y yː/. The -z- should also be /dz/, as per Greek. See: Latin spelling and pronunciationCagwinn (talk) 02:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

text: According to the Traditional English pronunciation of Latin, which is normally preferred for Roman (EDIT: proper) names in most contexts afaik, the pronunciation should be /aɪ̯ˈæzɪd͡ʒiːz/ for the plural and /ˈaɪ̯əzɪks/ for the singular, i.e. (a) with /aɪ̯/ for word-initial pre-vocalic I (cf. ion, iambic), (b) stress on the antepenultimate syllable (as the penult is open and short), (c) a soft G /d͡ʒ/ because of the following front vowel (cf. general, Gemini etc. etc.), (d) a long /iːz/ as is usual for the plural of the 3rd declination (cf. hypotheses). --Ubel (talk) 23:30, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Iazyges article's own citation on the subject, in Classical Latin pronunciation, "Iazgyes" is [ˈjaːzːygeːs].  Since the Classical Latin pronunciation is the _CORRECT_ pronunciation, would the Australians who edit this site kindly place the Classical pronunciation (the pronunciation of actual Classical Latin speakers/readers) as an alternative to the "Traditional Australian-English" mispronunciation of Latin?  Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:EB7F:E870:1D73:F9B:A0C9:E0B0 (talk) 15:26, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: "In 472 AD, the Visigothic king, Theoderic the Great, is reported to have conquered the Iazyges and killed their co-kings, Babaï and Benga.[51] In the 5th century they were conquered by the Goths.[52]"
Oh, really? Are you kidding, when you cite books from the 19th century? What is the original source of the war with the "Sarmatians" (not Iazyges)? I will tell you: Jordanes, Getica 54,227:
LIV (277) The kings [of the Suavi], Hunimund and Alaric, fearing the destruction that had come upon the Sciri, next made war upon the Goths, relying upon the aid of the Sarmatians, who had come to them as auxiliaries with their kings Beuca and Babai. They summoned the last remnants of the Sciri, with Edica and Hunuulf, their chieftains, thinking they would fight the more desperately to avenge themselves. They had on their side the Gepidae also, as well as no small reënforcements from the race of the Rugi and from others gathered here and there. Thus they brought together a great host at the river Bolia in Pannonia and encamped there. (278) Now when Valamir was dead, the Goths fled to Thiudimer, his brother. Although he had long ruled along with his brothers, yet he took the insignia of his increased authority and summoned his younger brother Vidimer and shared with him the cares of war, resorting to arms under compulsion. A battle was fought and the party of the Goths was found to be so much the stronger that the plain was drenched in the blood of their fallen foes and looked like a crimson sea. Weapons and corpses, piled up like hills, covered the plain for more than ten miles. (279) When the Goths saw this, they rejoiced with joy unspeakable, because by this great slaughter of their foes they had avenged the blood of Valamir their king and the injury done themselves. But those of the innumerable and motley throng of the foe who were able to escape, though they got away, nevertheless came to their own land with difficulty and without glory.
Where is any word about Thedoric the Great? He was only a boy at that time! In fact, he was not even at home, but in Constantinople! Who inserted this mess? The man must have been drunk!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Centrum99 (talk • contribs) 23:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be me, the main editor of this article. And how does it being a 19th century book affect it? However I do see your point with the Theodoric one, which is obviously mistaken. However the 5th century one I have restored, as nothing I have seen contradicts it. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theoderic the Great fled to Visigoths? 

message: User:Iazyges, why you deleted referenced map from the article? Reference for this map is a book written by notable Russian archaeologist and historian Valentin Vasilyevich Sedov. This is name of the book: Valentin Vasiljevič Sedov, Sloveni u dalekoj prošlosti, Novi Sad, 2012. (published in 2012 in Novi Sad, Serbia). And this is a scanned page from that book: https://s21.postimg.org/falyiw9hj/Pict0001447.jpg It is obvious that borders and descriptions in map from this scanned page are matching ones in a map which you removed from the article. If you cannot read Russian then I am sure that you can find someone to translate this for you. Lack of linguistic skills should not be an excuse for this kind of behavior (deletion of useful and referenced material from the article). Now, when references are clarified, why you do not tell me is there some other reason why you deleted this map? Do you claim that map is inaccurate in some way? Do you have some references which contradicting to this map? I want to understand your position here. 109.121.32.27 (talk) 07:56, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is also additional reference where Iazyges lived on even larger territory: http://admw.ru/books/Tadeush-Sulimirskiy_Sarmaty--Drevniy-narod-yuga-Rossii/sarmat45.1.jpg 109.121.32.27 (talk) 08:21, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: More references: http://imtw.ru/uploads/imperiall/imgs/total_war1383213563_sarmat451.jpg http://www.plam.ru/cultur/sarmaty_drevnii_narod_yuga_rossii/i_062.png http://historylib.org/historybooks/Igor-Kolomiytsev_Slavyane-vykhod-iz-teni/1378047071_fd9e.png 109.121.32.27 (talk) 08:44, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  109.121.32.27, for book sources I need ISBN and page number, and for website, it cannot just be the image, as the page needs to show some knowledge of the subject, in order to be used as a ref, another user has given me some suggestions I'll be looking through. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 16:50, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  What? This is first time in Wikipedia ever that somebody is raising objection about reference based on lack of an ISBN (and I am editing Wikipedias in various languages for many years). However, I have that book in my home, so this is very easy task for me to find. So, again, book: Valentin Vasiljevič Sedov, Sloveni u dalekoj prošlosti, Novi Sad, 2012. publisher: Akademska knjiga. Page number: 322. . Do you have any other objection about this map? I see that you have not objected to map accuracy, so I hope that there are no more problems that map is included into article? 109.121.46.39 (talk) 08:21, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  None, thank you 109.121.46.39! The reason I wanted to cite it was that I'm working on getting this article to featured class, so all the images need a citation. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: References for map

message: Can the singular form of the Iazyges (with pronunciation) be mentioned? The image description reads "an Iazyx", yet there is no mention if it's right or wrong (aside from the Greek variant).--Adûnâi (talk) 23:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. It is mentioned within body as well. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 00:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  English singular 

message: The dynamic IPs that have been hitting this article are probably the Perun editor, who is banned. -165.234.252.11 (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It would seem so; I have reverted it to before he began to edit the article. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: The article says that the capital of the Iazyges was Partiscum, which is now Kecskemét. This is false. Partiscum is the old name of Szeged. So which of them was the capital?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.249.153.176 (talk) 09:24, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partiscum is Szeged, not Kecskemét!