Talk:List of Syrian monarchs

message: Hello User:Yvarta. Monarchs lists articles should not be inflated with detailed information about their reign and how they came to power...etc.
The notes section is only for very important info and should not be a summary of the king full reign. This is standard for all such lists articles. Examples: List of British monarchs, List of French monarchs, List of German monarchs, List of Swedish monarchs, List of sultans of the Ottoman Empire, King of Italy....etc
The notes should be much shorter and not detailed like they are now.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted, thank you for the polite message. I will work to keep them shorter. In all honesty, with the Syrian page, right now I am simply trying to make sense of the Queens, as they are almost entirely left out - and some of the detail has been sneaking in in my attempt to reference and make sense of things. I will in the future keep it down to one sentence, maybe two at most per description. Would this seem too much for you? I can aim for shorter, although in this case since many of the reigns overlap, I personally think years on who came to power help explain quite a bit. Or perhaps a solution is creating a separate section explaining the timeline for the queens and co-regents, separate from the kings. Yvarta (talk) 20:17, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, thanks for replying. It isnt up to my viewing really, Im just trying to follow the standard of other pages as I want to make this a featured list. So, the existence of (citation needed) tage will destroy any chance for this article. You can see here how it used to be before. But you are right, the queens are missing and complicated. There is no need for their own section, but maybe a queen field in the list. I will make it now.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:22, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

text: Thank you! I don't want to interfere in making this page tip top, so don't hesitate to let me know anything else. I would like to keep working on making sense of the reign changes for a time - maybe it will just take me a few days at this rate? Perhaps I can make the first three entries for now be "perfect" as I can make them - you can alter those three if you want to hint I should change my pattern, and then at the end, I can fix any other messes I've made to match the examples you're happy with. Yvarta (talk) 20:43, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Inflating

message: I might be wrong, but shouldn't Palmyran monarchs be considered 'Syrian' too? The Palmyrene Empire (at least in the reign of Zenobia Bat-Zabbai) controlled all of modern day Syria and most if not all Palmyrene monarchs from the house of Odaenathus were Syrian? I am aware that there is a list of Palmyrene monarchs, but I was wondering why the house of Odaenathus wasn't classified as 'Syrian'. Jadd Haidar (talk) 20:13, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The Palmyrenes were considered Syrians in Roman sources but the problem is: Odaenathus and his successors did not use the title King of Syria. All of the monarchs mentioned in the article used the title or were mentioned with it, and we cant add the Palmyrenes if we have no evidence for them using the title.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:15, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, what I'm trying to say is, Zenobia for example, was the queen of Palmyra, thus she ruled in Syria, doesn't that make her a queen of Syria, regardless of her using the title or not? Same with her ruling in Egypt and etc.. I'm not entirely sure about it, and was just wondering if that was enough for her to be classified as a 'Syrian queen'? Or this page is only for the monarchs who used the title? Jadd Haidar (talk) 20:28, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Dont get me wrong, I would be very happy to list them as Syrian kings specially that they are the only native ones. But, if we add them, someone will come and delete them citing that we have no sources calling them Syrian monarchs. I looked a lot for reliable sources that consider them kings of Syria but to no avail. Normally, monarchs lists pages here mention the monarchs who used a title or are considered monarchs of a certain region by an academic consensus. The Palmyrenes lack those criteria--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:30, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I understand. You're Syrian, right? You know how here we consider Zenobia our national hero and take pride in her glorious reign. Thank you for taking the time to respond and sorry if I wasted your time! Jadd Haidar (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I am, and I consider Odaenathus my personal hero. I actually wrote the articles of Palmyra, Zenobia and Odaenathus from scratch as I study Near-Eastern history in university. Thanks for your kind words.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:41, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that they are worth mentioning in the article, even if we don't include them in the main list. Any internet search for 'queen of Syria' is going to turn up several mentions of Zenobia. JECE (talk) 00:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Palmyran monarchs