Talk:Sodium fluoroacetate

message: I think this page should be moved to the more accurate Sodium fluoroacetate and 1080 (poison) should be a redirect to it. 129.241.11.201 12:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea. raptor 09:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: In the body the fluoroacetate is converted to fluorocitrate...
This statement is very vague, due to passive voice. How is it converted? Is there some metabolic process that is responsible, or does it just simply breakdown into fluorocitrate? --Beefyt 15:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Passive voice 

message: Not a bad length, but still needs some more work, as well as filling in the infobox, hence start class. The mechanism is particularly unclear. I imagine it works by competitive inhibition of aconitase preventing the formation of isocitrate. Richard001 01:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Since this is an article about a poison, it should have LD50 information, but I couldn't find this information. --Ozhiker 11:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LD<sub>50</sub> value 

message: "Sodium fluoroacetate was discovered by German military chemists in World War II."
Any sources for this? I mean, reliable, of course. As far as I know, fluoroacetic acid and salt thereof were synthtised already in the early 20th century, and its toxicity was independantly discovered in the late 1930s in at last 3 countries (Poland, German Reich and The United Kingdom). One source I have states, that "the high toxicity of 2-Fluoroethanol, Fluoroacetic acid and their derivatives was discovered by E. Groß in the "Gewerbehygienisches Laboratorium der I.G. Farben in Elberfeld."" (Wegler, R. et al.: Chemie der Pflanzenschutz- und Schädlingsbekämpfungsmittel, Band 1: Einführung, Insektizide, Chemosterilantien, Repellents, Lockstoffe, Akarizide, Nematizide, Vogel- bzw. Säugetierabschreckmittel, Rodentizide. Berlin; Heidelberg: Springer, 1970. ) I'm not sure, however, if this does not only apply to german research in the field, as it is known, that multiple researchers/groups were working on fluoroacetates in that time (e.g. B. C. Saunders in Britain). Anyone any sources about this?--84.163.109.142 (talk) 00:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discovery? 

message: esp. Falconiformes /by prey ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.16.140.163 (talk) 22:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: toxity to Birds ?

message: This compound can be syntetized using fluorine, acetic acid and first step and reactic the products with sodium hydroxide:
First step:
F2 > Fluorine.
H3C-COOH >acetic acid
F2 + H3C-COOH ----> FH2C-COOH + HF
Second step:
FH2C-COOH + HF + 2NaOH ---> FH2C-COONa(Sodium fluoroacetate) + NaF(sodium fluoride) + 2H2O(water).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agre22 (talk • contribs) 01:33, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And if you pass third semester studying chemistry, you'll might learn that by far the most common industrial and laboratory route to get fluoroacetic acid and derivatives is a nucleophilic substitution of alpha-chlorine atom in chloroacetic acid or its salts, amides or esters with fluoride. Cheers and keep on!--84.163.83.168 (talk) 12:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 84.163.83.168: also relevant is this http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/twit--Smokefoot (talk) 13:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Syntesis with fluoride

message: The CAS number (which is accurately repeated in the link) does not load a valid page.
Jeffholton (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect CAS number in chart on right 

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message: Sodium fluoroacetate is a pivotal part of the plot in an episode of the TV detective show, Monk ("mr MONK has a birthday").  It is incorrectly identified as an extremely potent and fast-acting poison that inevitably kills its victims within a few minutes of ingesting a small dose.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.66.65.44 (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sodium fluoroacetate is also mentioned in the 1994 non-fiction book "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil" by John Berendt. In the book, a person owns a bottle containing sufficient to kill tens of thousands of people. HairyWombat 16:41, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In the late 1960's or early 1970's in Cleveland Ohio a certain chemical company (known for its Fluorine chemicals) R&D department decided to see how effective it was by placing an open container (tray) of it in their Company Headquarters' parking lot on a Friday. It hit the fan come Monday morning when the Headquarters staff returned to work to find hundreds of dead rats strewn about the parking lot. Many of the secretaries refused to get out of their cars or brave the sidewalks.Abitslow (talk) 18:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Media 

message: I removed the NPOV tag as of 3/28/2016. It didn't seem merited to me and i couldn't find any relevant discussion here on the page; one person suggested it due to the environmental impact section but it seems the changes that person proposed have been implemented. The article as a whole to me seems quite good and w/out POV Masonpew (talk) 07:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: removed NPOV tag

message: "In 2011, over 3,750 toxic baits containing 3 ml of 1080 were laid across 520 hectares"
then
"The baits were spread at the rate of one per 10 hectares"
How does that add up? I don't understand what this means, I think. Can it be clarified? i.e. by my count, that would make 52 baits, not 3750. Yesenadam (talk) 08:47, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  bait spacing 

message: My question is about these statements:
:"It is widely circulated that the only company currently producing 1080 is the Tull Chemical Company, a small operation in Oxford, Alabama.... The manufacture of 1080 also occurs in New Zealand through a Government-owned company Animal Control Products Ltd/Pestoff situated at Wanganui on the north island New Zealand. According to New Zealand parliamentary questions, this facility has produced several thousand kilograms of 1080 annually since 1997/98.[10]"
:Firstly, I don't believe that pure 1080 is currently produced in NZ. I've been studying 1080 in NZ for several years now, and I've seen nothing that suggests this.
:Secondly, the third sentence claims that this information came out in NZ parliamentary questions, but the reference is to an article by Sean Weaver that does not mention the production of 1080.
:Is the author of this edit still present? Could they substantiate the statement? 
:If not, I will edit the first sentence to say "The only company currently producing 1080 is the Tull Chemical Company..." and remove the second and third sentences quoted. SueJB (talk) 10:27, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reference does quote the Company as making Baits (just above one of the tables), but does not seem to say that the chemical itself is made in New Zealand. I looked at their website and they did not claim to be manufacturing 1080 itself. The (sub-)reference is on page 3 of the paper, just above and below Table 1. It is not separately listed in the endnotes, possibly why you missed it. Egmason (talk) 00:07, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I did miss that. 1993 is a long time ago and practice has changed substantially - for instance, carrot bait is no longer used for aerial 1080. He claims that ACP 'manufactured' 3023 kg of 1080 - that sounds roughly the correct amount for 1080 imported from Tull. Tull's current annual production is around 5,000 kg p.a. The NZ Department of Conservation is applying aerial 1080 at 1 kg per hectare to around 800,000 hectares this year, the biggest area treated in history. 800 tonnes of bait at 0.15% 1080 means 1200 kg of 1080. I do not have exact figures for TBFree's usage, but they tend to be around twice what DOC uses. In other words, 80% of Tull's production is what NZ uses in a year - so no need to manufacture it here; and ACP does not run a chemical plant but a bait-compounding operation.SueJB (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sean Weaver's article has various defects. For example he uses the term sodium fluoroacetate to describe both the synthetic poison and the plant poison,,whereas I believe the latter is potassium fluoroacetate. SueJB (talk) 09:56, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  History and Production - Is Sodium fluoroacetate manufactured in NZ? 

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message: There are instances in the article of in-text citation being used (inappropriately), instead of as proper references at the end of the article.  See especially section 5.2 Soil. Cas315 (talk) 01:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove In-Text Citations 

message: added . That's unnecessarily prominent at the top of the page however it is an interesting source to draw from. I didn't want to just delete it so it's here instead. Invasive Spices (talk) 19:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting review to use here 

message: 1080 isn’t used for deer control in New Zealand . This article is factually incorrect . 2001:8004:2761:246A:B94A:3C26:5E04:15D4 (talk) 02:43, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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