Talk:Kathy Freston

message: I assume you are either Ms. Freston or Ms. Freston's agent.  This is an encyclopedic article, not your personal promotional material.  You may not delete inconvenient information from Wikipedia without explanation, especially information that is referenced and readily confirmable.  Please post your concerns on this discussion page before you revert edits.  You have made three reverts now for no good reason, and that could be seen as vandalism.
173.51.166.11 (talk) 22:47, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  24.43.17.164 is at it again 

message: I saw this at third opinion. This article requires tons of clean up. 
*The most important first step is sources. Please see the "biography of a living person" tag at the top of this talk page. 
**The first paragraph of "Career" requires an inline citations. It comes across very complimentary which might be OK but certainly is not without sources.
**The third paragraph also requires sources. This should be easy. Please see the cite episode and cite web templates. Coverage from independent sources is obviously preferred. 
**The fourth paragraph requires a source summarizing her style. This isn't something that can be done through original research.
**The fifth paragraph needs an inline citation for that quote. That should be easy.
**The "Marriage" seciton is poor. The inline citation for the second line (#4) does not work. I can't even tell if that site has reliable sources at first glance since there is not an "about us" section I can find.
**The next line (about OParah) is another one that needs a source and should be easy.
*"There is no record in the state of New York of her being a licensed therapist.[2]" Doesn't even make sense. Nowhere in the article is it asserted that she does and that is not a source.
*Manual of style. Too many concerns. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style for issues with italics and caps lock. 
*Modeling looks important from the Hamptons piece. Why isn't that in?
I am going to remove all unsourced informaiton and put it below for easy access. Get ome sources and put it back in. Wikipedia:Citing sources. This might look a little rash but a few hours or few days is up to how fast we find the information and isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.Cptnono (talk) 23:43, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: @Cptnono - I sourced everything, and you have no basis for removing ANYTHING I have posted.  Doon = why are my reverts suspicious? Because I made changes from an IP?  Don't make assumptions about the location, because that is a red herring.  I have sourced everything, and am sick and tired of having ro repost what I have CLEARLY sourced.  She went from being a nobody to being a regular guest on Oprah's show, despite the fact that she has absolutely no qualifications.  I have no personal interest in this.  I am annoyed, however, that I have clearly fixed what was requested, and that he section on Tom Freston is absolutely essential to this entry to explain WHY she has become notable in the last year.  Cptnono, if you are going to act as the third party, you need to be much more specific in what you think needs to be revised, otherwise repost the article and allow someone else to do it.  If I recieve no response in 24 hrs, I will be forced to revert to an earlier edition of the article.  As for now, I am removing the "personal connection" statement at the top of this article, as it is false.  
Jeff K.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.166.193 (talk) 23:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Pay more attention then.  Cclimetree has admitted to it and it appears that the IP starting with 24 is. And this is a BLP that had sourced info removed and unsourced info added. That is why there are citation needed tags.Cptnono (talk) 00:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a quick look and I don't think he removed anything that was sourced except for some material that was included twice. The removal might have been better done as two edits, one for the redundant material, one for the unsourced, so as to be less confusing, but I don't see anything improper. Which material exactly do you want to restore? Rees11 (talk) 00:19, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion

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thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on [[Kathy Freston]] 

message: === Edit 1 ===
:*Specific text to be added or removed: Please use File:Kathy Freston - Photo from Book Cover.jpg for the infobox image.
:*Reason for the change: It was taken in 2017, more recently than the current image.
:*References supporting change: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kathy_Freston_-_Photo_from_Book_Cover.jpg
=== Edit 2 ===
:*Specific text to be added or removed in Biography: Early life:  Kathy’s father died from a brain tumor at the age of 64. Following his death Kathy read that a meat-based diet increases the risk of developing cancer, and decided to become a vegan.
:*Reason for the change: It adds context to her career and writing on veganism and diet.
:*References supporting change: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/02/out-to-lunch-freston-201102
=== Edit 3 ===
:*Specific text to be added or removed in Career, after ...debut a vegetarian burger item.: The petition received more than 234,000 signatures.
:*Reason for the change: It adds additional information about the impact of the petition.
:*References supporting change: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/food/2020/11/09/mcplant-mcdonalds-plant-based-burger-crispy-chicken-sandwich/6187977002/
=== Edit 4 ===
:*Specific text to be added or removed in Career: On November 10, 2012 Kathy gave a TEDx talk, called “Leaning into your life”, where she talked about her decision to become a vegan.
:*Reason for the change: The talk includes more information about the background to her career and writing on veganism and diet.
:*References supporting change: https://resources.plantricianproject.org/tedx-talks/content/28fda888227d9444b9b3fbdd32ccb580/leaning-into-your-life-kathy-freston
=== Edit 5 ===
:*Specific text to be added or removed in Career: In 2010, Kathy challenged Oprah and 378 members of her staff to become vegan for one week. 300 staff members completed the challenge.
:*Reason for the change: It adds more information about her work with Oprah.
:*References supporting change: https://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/oprah-and-378-staffers-take-a-vegan-challenge/all
MisterTech (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Thank you for updating the picture. The link between diet and cancer is well documented on Wikipedia. MisterTech (talk) 08:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, and I wondered a lot about it. I couldn’t totally make up my mind whether including the (in my opinion “controversial” statement), so I thought it better to find community consensus. The Wikipedia article about diet and cancer says (I quote): “A diet low in fruits and vegetables and high in red meat has been implicated but not confirmed, and the effect may be small for well-nourished people who maintain a healthy weight.”.  For full disclosure, I watched the Netflix documentary “What the health” when it first came out and took Colleen Patrick-Goudreau’s “30-day vegan challenge”. I didn’t stay on a vegan diet very long after that, but I remain a vegetarian since then; it’s been over 4 years now.  I am not biased for or against meat on a health basis (although I have strong opinions about the environmental impact of meat production and commercialization), and I think taking a young person’s uneducated assumption on the causality between eating red meat and developing brain cancer to be a dangerous precedent for Wikipedia.  Let’s see what other editors think. Ferkijel (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is OK if worded carefully: Freston’s father died from a brain tumor at the age of 64. Following his death, she decided to become a vegan after learning of studies that showed that a meat-based diet may increase the risk of developing cancer. MB 14:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been reading all of the sources linked in the Wikipedia article (there's over 50 of them).  The only thing all of them sort of agree on, is that there's no proven causality, and that the strongest correlation between meat and cancer is among processed meats (not necessarily red meat in general). In https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515569/ there's not even a mention to brain cancer.  Therefore I still believe we should keep this suggestion out.Ferkijel (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

text: No agreement on whether the article is improved or not by these additions.  If other editors chip in, we can re-open it. Ferkjl (talk) 11:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi , the photo was taken down because the copyright release didn't go through in time. It's now been sorted, could you restore it (and fix the caption)? Thanks! MisterTech (talk) 19:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested edits 

message: :*Specific text to be added or removed in Career: In 2010, Kathy challenged Oprah and 378 members of her staff to become vegan for one week. 300 staff members completed the challenge.
:*Reason for the change: It adds more information about her work with Oprah.
:*References supporting change: https://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/oprah-and-378-staffers-take-a-vegan-challenge/all
MisterTech (talk) 19:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: * Thank you for updating the picture. The link between diet and cancer is well documented on Wikipedia. MisterTech (talk) 08:45, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, and I wondered a lot about it. I couldn’t totally make up my mind whether including the (in my opinion “controversial” statement), so I thought it better to find community consensus. The Wikipedia article about diet and cancer says (I quote): “A diet low in fruits and vegetables and high in red meat has been implicated but not confirmed, and the effect may be small for well-nourished people who maintain a healthy weight.”.  For full disclosure, I watched the Netflix documentary “What the health” when it first came out and took Colleen Patrick-Goudreau’s “30-day vegan challenge”. I didn’t stay on a vegan diet very long after that, but I remain a vegetarian since then; it’s been over 4 years now.  I am not biased for or against meat on a health basis (although I have strong opinions about the environmental impact of meat production and commercialization), and I think taking a young person’s uneducated assumption on the causality between eating red meat and developing brain cancer to be a dangerous precedent for Wikipedia.  Let’s see what other editors think. Ferkijel (talk) 09:40, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is OK if worded carefully: Freston’s father died from a brain tumor at the age of 64. Following his death, she decided to become a vegan after learning of studies that showed that a meat-based diet may increase the risk of developing cancer. MB 14:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been reading all of the sources linked in the Wikipedia article (there's over 50 of them).  The only thing all of them sort of agree on, is that there's no proven causality, and that the strongest correlation between meat and cancer is among processed meats (not necessarily red meat in general). In https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2515569/ there's not even a mention to brain cancer.  Therefore I still believe we should keep this suggestion out.Ferkijel (talk) 08:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

text: No agreement on whether the article is improved or not by these additions.  If other editors chip in, we can re-open it. Ferkjl (talk) 11:50, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi , the photo was taken down because the copyright release didn't go through in time. It's now been sorted, could you restore it (and fix the caption)? Thanks! MisterTech (talk) 19:31, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit 5