Talk:Miroslav Klose

message: I removed the following sentence until a citation can be found:
"The Polish national coach wanted him for the Polish national team but he declined, preferring to wait for Germany."
for me it is obvious that the Polish national coach would never officialy make such an offer (an Wikipedia should not contain rumors) if he knew that Klose is also wanted by the German national team. Even if Klose feels Polish the career you can make and the amount of money you can earn playing proffessional futball in Poland and in Germany is hard to compare. Mieciu K 12:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's a good source, I have added the reference and everything is fine now. Mieciu K 18:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Please understand the article you posted in the proper context. He doesnt want to be constantly regarded as a Pole, which is natural, for Germans tend to view him as a foreigner (a Pole) instead as an equal German national, a similar problem with all "Auslandsdeutsche", which doesnt mean he denies being half-Polish. It's more of a protest against only being labeled a Pole, or as certain German media would put it "Poland's best gift to Germany". The form you chose is misleading and doesnt mention that his Dad is from a mixed background. Pawel z Niepolomic 19:01, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The article says he's from a German family and that he doesn't want to be seen as a Pole. That's what I adopted and that doesn't require a dispute whether he's half, one third, or 56.6235% a German. By the way, what exactly tells you that he's half-German? For your information, like Batman2005 you reverted to your reversion way too often and I'm filling out the form to make you stop it.City-17 19:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My information comes from the German Wikipedia. The truth is he doesnt "come from a German family", but a Polish one also. That's why he probably has relatives here, notwithstanding his 100% Polish mother and her family. Pawel z Niepolomic 19:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't use information from Wikipedia to justify the same information in Wikipedia. Maybe the German Wikipedia also relies on the information of the English Wikipedia.City-17 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true, we need to be careful to use third-party sources, especially here.  Unfortunately (at least for me since my German is not that good) I can't seem to find anything definitive on this issue after a (admittedly cursory) Google search.  Does anyone have any English links for this information?  This is of course not necessary but would be helpful. -- Deville (Talk) 04:15, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Please explain City-17 how his father's self-identification issues are relevant to an article about Miroslav. Pawel z Niepolomic 15:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You simply want to present him as a Pole, which is untrue. Information like these prevent others from also mistaking his family as Polish instead of Silesian or German.City-17 16:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Likewise it seems like you want to portrait him as of German origin? First of all his mother is Polish. Secondly, you are missing the point about his father. Josef Klose states in Fakt.pl, that he regards himself as a Silesian. That doesn't make him German, that doesn't make him Polish. It would also be a twisted argument to call Josef Klose German, since he marries Polish and speaks Polish at home. Also he should not be called Polish, belonging to a minority in Poland and living in Germany. In fact the point is, that he doesn't want to be used for political purposes from German or Polish sides. Heimart people are using this opportunity to promote their cause, and likewise Poles wants to make him 100% Polish, because they are proud to finally see a good Polish footballer ksjohansen 11:21, 04 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish national team? 

message: He's not German, Polish! From Silesia, but not born as a German Pole in Silesia, like many Sliesians of German nation or origin. Kowalmistrz 19:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  @Kowalmistrz: please do not agitate. Hedre is no pisolandia. :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2A6A:E900:7C7D:2E84:D4A9:443E (talk) 20:54, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  German native from SIlesia? 

message: How come wikipedia doesn't count friendly goals —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.104.125.55 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  goals  

message: I don't think updating every single match and goal Klose scores is needed. Just makes the page look irrelevent and unappealing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petrosian63 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bayern Munich Section

message: OK, the article is starting to look like a mess. To those involved:
* please provide sources to support the claim of his mother's alleged German ancestry,
* please do not add information on history of Opole and Upper Silesia, as this is not relevant to the article,
* the article is not about Jozef Klose (In 2006 interviews for German Süddeutsche Zeitung[3] and Polish tabloid Fakt, Josef Klose stated that he does not want to be regarded as Polish), please move this information to the Jozef Klose article,
* please stop adding a German name of Opole. The city is not bilingual, and we are not writing article on Opole.
Thank you and I am awaiting comments. Tymek (talk) 13:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 20th century history of Oppeln/Silesia and the resulting background of Josef Klose is 100% relevant to the bio of Miro, as is Josef's attidude towards Poland. The Kloses have only left their home because Poland has occupied it in 1945. He said: "Und Warschau sollte endlich lernen, dass die Menschen in Oberschlesien anders ticken" - "and Warsaw should finally learn that the people in Upper Silesia are different". Removing 20th century history and adding 10th century claims is WP:UNDUE, don't do that again. -- Matthead  Discuß   17:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Matthead for your opinion, obviously we disagree with each other. Please do not delete information added by me, and I still think that adding info about history of Upper Silesia as well as utterances of Jozef Klose have nothing to do with the article. Awaiting opinions of uninvolved users. BTW the Kloses left their home because Jozef got a contract in France, and as you see, Miroslaw prefers to speak the language of Polish occupiers of Silesia at his German home, which should tell you something. Tymek (talk) 18:59, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just a very friendly reminder, Tymek: Miro Klose plays for Germany, and lives in Germany, just like his parents - and Lukas Podolski, who said that he has no Polish passport, thus it could not be taken away by Polish politicians. And Silesians spoke German and Slavic dialects centuries before Polish communists arrived there in 1945, hiding behind Soviet tanks. -- Matthead  Discuß   20:58, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your friendly reminder, which nevertheless has nothing to do with the Miroslaw Klose article. I am still awaiting opinions of disinterested users. Opinions of the article and my remarks here, not of subjects unrelated to it. Tymek (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits 

message: How often do people feel the need to state that Klose was born in Poland? One can read it five times now that he was "Polish born", "born in Upper Silesia, Poland" (2 times), "Polish by birth", "played against the country of his birth, Poland" etc! 
This looks ridiculous and like inflating ones national ego.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalifat (talk • contribs) 02:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the article goes to great lengths to promote his connection to Poland. Something which I find annoying. I have noticed a similar problem in several biographical articles: where the subject of the article has a connection to Poland, this is being promoted aggressively for some reason. Tropical wind (talk) 19:52, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

text: The question of why it's necessary to stress ethic German, is that what qualifies him to play for Germany. Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish 

message: Recently, Klose's full name was changed in this article from Miroslav Marian Klose to Miroslav Josef Klose. Since this is sourced, I'm not going to revert it. However, a search for the former yields a little under 3 times more than for the latter: Marian vs. Josef. Which is correct? ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 10:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name 

message: Hi. It's rumored that he's going to Lazio. That's fine and all, and updated sources is that a deal is close to being finalized, however, until it is 100% confirmed, can we get a semi-protection thing on this page. It's being changed every 2 minutes and it's getting frustrating having to revert all the time. Cheers Nath1991 (talk) 13:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Week Long protection request. 

message: The general convention is to use modern names
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)
Illraute changed his birthplace from Opole to the Germanized name of Oppeln, citing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gdansk/Vote#Results_on_VOTE:_Biographies However, this overrides the convention to use modern names only if you can show that the person is clearly German. According to Klose, his family is Polish-speaking. He knew only two words of German until age eight when the family moved to Germany.
http://www.spiegel.de/deinspiegel/0,1518,729604,00.html
He says he continues to speak Polish at home with his family and the kids learn German in school:
http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-54683212.html
So, since Klose was born in 1978 when the city was known as Opole and he himself is natively Polish-speaking, it does not make sense to use the Germanized name of the city.Hergilfs (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Klose is a German international, and holds German citizenship only. Also Klose's father is an ethnic German and holds German nationality. please see: WP:MOSBIO → Opening paragraph → 3.1. as well as Gdansk-VOTE:_Biographies --IIIraute (talk) 21:03, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  3.1 does not state that place names not in use at the time of birth should be altered to the person's current citizenship. Gdansk-VOTE favors using the current name after 1945 except in cases where the person is clearly German. Miroslav Klose does not have Polish citizenship now, sure, but he did before and he has stated that he did not know German until he was eight. So it's simply not logical to list his birthplace in the German form. The family is natively Polish-speaking, regardless of the father's ethnicity. Hergilfs (talk) 05:10, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opole / Oppeln 

message: "However, the occasion was tainted by a small section of radical Lazio fans holding a sign adapted from a motto used by the Nazis."
The use of the word "tainted" indicates a non-neutral POV, and should be fixed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.137.78 (talk) 22:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed to what? Personally, I think the Lazio fans should all be fixed, but I digress. Do you have a more neutral wording you would like to see used there? Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral POV 

message: Klose wasn't the first player to mark 5 goals in a World Cup match; Oleg Salenko already did it during Russia-Cameroon in World Cup'94...anyway I can't say if Salenko was the first at all in doing that .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.33.93.13 (talk) 20:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what you're stating. The article states that Teófilo Cubillas did it before him. That is referenced, and that's what we need to support that Salenko did. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  5 goals in a match 

message: After he scores a goal against Brazil in the semi-finals, he is substituted out (to not pile on more goals, already 5-0) and the announcer tells about him:  "He is the all-time leading scorer in the World Cup with 16 goals." Plus color commentary: "No ego at all, I am told; you can leave him out of the game and he is just as happy in the background, helping youngsters." Further, "He is now second on the list all-time appearances in world cup competition." -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Final score is 7-1 and we'll see what Klose does in the final match. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of a 7-1 score, amazing. What is Misoslav's salary?--Oxforduniversity1 (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIFA 2014 World Cup soccer 

message: Please remove: "His name was then legally changed to Miroslav." in the "Background and personal life" section. This sentence was added recently, does not make any sense and is not supported by a source.--77.181.236.80 (talk) 16:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: The content that was added here  has a reference that uses wikipedia/this article as only reference. How can wikipedia reference itself? Please remove. Also, his fathers name is Josef Klose, and not "Kloze". --77.5.102.29 (talk) 04:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: 68.148.92.134 (talk) 05:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2014 

message: Apparently at least Franz Beckenbauer, Sepp Maier and Wolfgang Overath (1966–1974) all have gold, silver and bronze, it seems Gerd Müller was not part of the 1966 squad, and Uwe Seeler, could not find out if he was in the winning squad of 1954. At least he begun in the national team that year, but if he did not play in the World Cup, then he’s not in this club. Apanuggpak (talk) 03:26, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gold, silver and bronze, an all-German club. 

message: Please change Klose's 16th goal celebration picture to this (http://e2.365dm.com/14/07/768x432/Brazil-v-Germany-Miroslav-Klose-World-Cup-cel_3169978.jpg?20140708214408) because it is a direct shot of him, and the current photo is not. It barely even features him.
24.27.22.116 (talk) 08:35, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read Wikipedia:Image use policy. Wikipedia can only use "free" images and free usually does not mean "found somewhere in the internet and it didn't cost me anything". As long as the copyright owner of a photo hasn't released it under a free license, the photo cannot be used. --Jaellee (talk) 09:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2014 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miroslav_Klose&oldid=623137629&diff=prev: The paragraph begins by discussing the subject's faith and then supports it with a a phrase of him meeting the Pope emeritus. It's not simply about two individuals meeting. How much do we keep? Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't see why there shouldn't be a short sentence on his faith, if the part about meeting the pope is unacceptable. The sources are a bit weird but they should do. – FenixFeather (talk)(Contribs) 05:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC on faith 

message: I think this section has many problems. It is vague, badly written (e.g. with grammatical errors), and lacks, arguably, any significance. This can be solved by either truncation, clarification or adding relevant citations. Will see what (little) I can do. Asoccer maniac (talk) 01:19, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal records 

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message: It's lovely that Albanian nationalists want to promote Klose's wife's Albanian heritage, but I do not understand how understanding her nationality makes any difference to understanding the subject more fully. We have http://www.gazetadita.al/klose-dhender-ne-mitrovice/, http://boterori.albeu.com/a-e-dinit-klose-eshte-dhender-ne-mitrovice-foto-lajm/158562/, http://www.gazetatema.net/web/2014/06/22/miroslav-klose-dhender-shqiptar/ and http://www.panorama.com.al/klose-ka-nje-djale-me-emrin-luan-gruaja-e-tij-eshte-shqiptare/ several are not even :WP:RSes, and so I argue it should be excluded. If his wife were sufficiently notable, or if it was covered in detail by non-Albanian media—such as Bild or similar German or Italian media—we should consider it. She's not notable and so just mentioning her briefly to avoid the Albanian nationalism. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to agree here, the is no need to bring up his wife's heritage in this article and in these cases Albanian media is not reliable as proven on many other articles where people have been said to be Albanian just because of their name or goal celebrations. If it was mentioned by other very reliable sources, then maybe but probably not. Qed237 (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

text: It think that it is again a sockpuppet of User:Biar122 and I've opened a new SPI case at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Biar122. --Jaellee (talk) 15:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wife's nationality 

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message: It seems that we want to write "Polish-born" in the lede again. :WP:OPENPARA is clear that unless his ethnicity is vital to understanding the subject that we should keep it out of the lede. He plays for German so we generally say he's a German player. This is the case with many football players. The player's nation of birth is not the reason the subject is notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:OPENPARA issue 

message: Ping  Thanks for fixing the refs. However, I think it makes the most sense to keep each section of his career (national & club level) together, rather than splitting up the national section and putting in club accomplishments before a return to national level. Perfect4th (talk) 21:31, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent lead edits