Talk:Glossary of English-language idioms derived from baseball

message: May or may not be the right decision but it seems right to me -- feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theman98 (talk • contribs) 16:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorizing in "Idioms" 

message: Referring to getting a quick start, as a runner would after hitting the ball.  This is different from "outside the box" as in "think outside the box." 76.208.6.63 (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Out Of The Box

message: Is "walk -- an acquittal given to a defendant" really a reference to baseball?
I thought it was...this was probably the one I was least certain of. My understanding was that a walk is a "free pass" in baseball, and this is how it came to be used in court. If someone can confirm/disconfirm this for certain, that would be nice. Revolver 01:18, 10 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Walk

message: I had always understood this to refer to defensive play: a base is covered when the baseman is close enough to tag it easily.  If no men are on base, you might use the third (or even second) baseman as an additional outfielder, gambling that the shortstop can cover it.  I'll look for a source.  Robert A West 18:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, you hear the term all the time in baseball.  "Matsui throws to third, but no one's covering the base, and the runner advances to home."  —Sean κ. + 19:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

text: ah of course —Sean κ. + 02:38, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover all the bases 

message: I brought in the AAAA entry from AAAA.  I would now ask whether this is a real slang term in use sufficient to be encyclopedic and or garner a definition entry in Wiktionary ... or might this term have been created locally or by a single person and it not in common usage (though the creator might aspire to establish it as a common term).  Thanks for the input, which should be used to determine whether the term remains here, on AAAA and on Wiktionary:AAAA.  Courtland 05:28, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AAAA entry 

message: This article survived an Articles for Deletion debate. The discussion can be found here. -Splashtalk 22:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for Deletion debate

message: I have removed the term "utility" from this list and added it to the list of baseball jargon under the name "utility player." I think this term better belongs in that article, as it is a term relating to the game of baseball, and not an idiom derived from the game of baseball. Gujuguy 20:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed "break". I can find no evidence that the word for a stroke of good or ill luck came from baseball. SigPig 04:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of term

message: It seems to me that the common phrase that someone/something is "out of your league" must have come from baseball.  Maybe somebody knows?  It could possibly refer to the different major and minor levels, or to the separate American and National Leagues. Static3d 00:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. The British have sports leagues, too, and Oxford's first cite of this term, "She's out of your league, me lad..." comes from a British novel, Cannonball, by John Chamier in 1966 SigPig 03:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of your league! 

message: Here are some of the edits I just made, and the rationale behind them.
*rm AAAA; Bye bye baby; Petey - not idioms outside baseball, perhaps slang terms in baseball
*hid Ride the pine - The slang dictionaries I checked indicate this is a sports slang term, not necessarily originating in baseball; if you can find a cite, unhide it
*"say it ain't so" add "joe" - clearly needs a cite; however, "say it ain't so, Joe" is used idiomatically, similarly to "I don't think so, Tim". Was "say it ain't so" idiomatic before the Black Sox scandal? SigPig 04:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More edits

message: Slang glossaries violate the following policy:
Wikipedia is not a dictionary
 Wikipedia is not a dictionary or a usage or jargon guide. Wikipedia articles are not:
# Dictionary definitions. Because Wikipedia is not a dictionary, please do not create an entry merely to define a term. An article should usually begin with a  good definition; if you come across an article that is nothing more than a definition, see if there is information you can add that would be appropriate for an encyclopedia. An exception to this rule is for articles about the cultural meanings of individual  numbers.
# Lists of such definitions. There are, however,  disambiguation pages consisting of pointers to other pages; these are used to clarify differing meanings of a word. Wikipedia also includes  glossary pages for various specialized fields.
# A usage guide or slang and idiom guide. Wikipedia is not in the business of saying how words, idioms, etc. should be used. We aren't teaching people how to talk like a Cockney chimney-sweep. However, it may be important in the context of an encyclopedia article to describe just how a word is used to distinguish among similar, easily confused ideas, as in nation or freedom. In some special cases an article about an essential piece of slang may be appropriate.
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Due to the many AfDs which are initiated to enforce this policy and due to the resistance to such deletion by defenders of the glossaries, I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Slang glossaries to rewrite the policy in order to solve this problem and to readdress this question: should slang glossaries by allowed on Wikipedia?  --List Expert 23:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the article is not a slang glossary. Many if not most of these expressions are idiomatic English. It is not a prescriptive guide, but a descriptive one of the origins of idiomatic English phrases. To that end I'd like to move it to "List of baseball idioms", or List of idioms derived from baseball" or somesuch. I'd like to hear some input on that. --SigPig 20:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: No input, so...WP:BOLD. --SigPig 03:45, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention: Slang Glossary policy discussion underway 

message: Does this come from baseball player dealings, or did baseball take this from the idiom? 151.197.179.177 03:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Out of options" 

message: In a baseball game, what comes OUT of left field? In many ballfields the hometeam (or both) bullpens are behind the left field fences or along the left field baseline. Who are, traditionally, the zaniest characters in baseball? Relief Pitchers. Speculative but it makes sense. :)
Another speculation is since most pitchers are right handed, balls approaching the plate do tend to come from the left side of the infield from the batters POV. And a pitched ball that suddenly crossed the plate unexpectedly might seem to "come out of left field". I think this may actually be the true derivation, perhaps reinforced with the location of the bullpen. Fastballs in particular sometimes seem to disappear and reappear suddenly.
Other notes:
"Catbird seat" -- I'm pretty sure was a ruralism before being a baseball term. Catbirds eat insects and during farmwork, they would frequently perch on the head or rump of the horse to watch for insects disturbed by movement. Catbirds have a reddish patch of feathers under their tail. While perching in their preferred spot, they would frequently flash that red patch at the farmer before diving on some hapless grasshopper. A very saucy bird. Other insect-eating small birds do this too but the catbird is more memorable and seems "saucier" because of the red flash from its tail. :) Catbirds, BTW, do not sing from high perches like mockingbirds, instead they tend to hide in bushes before uttering their catlike growls and ducklike rattles.
"Rhubarb" is another probable ruralism. Long before I heard rhubarb used in the baseball meaning, I had heard "rub-up" used by country folk to mean "minor altercation probably involving physical threats" and "to rub-up against someone" as "being deliberately or obtusely provocative or annoying". I can't find a single citation, though. Rhubarb seems a likely elaboration or mishearing of this. Halfelven 06:52, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of left field 

message: The explanation for 'Touch Base' is just a description of someone 'touching base' in the game: There is no explanation of why the phrase is used for 'meeting up briefly' or 'catching up'??? Is it really a baseball phrase ? [Sounds more like an aviation metaphor to me....??]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monowiki (talk • contribs) 16:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touch Base - is it really from baseball? 

message: --Connel MacKenzie -  wikt 01:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transwiki complete 

message: I don't see that one on here.. for those who don't know, it refers to people who are homosexual. I could add it, I would just need to find a reference. Drummerdg (talk) 06:44, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Batting for the other team? 

message: This one dates from the 1600s, can it really be called a baseball term?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.41.228.232 (talk) 13:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hit or Miss 

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message: Pardon my ignorance, but what does AHDI stand for? It appears several times in the article, as well as in the references (where there are two dead links). There's also a mention of "ADHI," which I presume is an error. I'm a baseball fan and I have no clue about this. I tried Googling it but had no luck. Does anyone know?  Yesthatbruce (talk) 05:42, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is AHDI?