Talk:Sicarii

message: It may appear the Islamic Assissins, Nizari Ismaelis, derive their lineage to the Sicarii.
Requires Islam to be devolved from the Essenes (perhaps the real mainstream of Messianic Judaism of 100 B.C.E - 74 C.E. and not that portrayed in the Temple at Jerusalem at the time - that portrayed at Q'umran).
Want a bio of Muhammad prior to his visions.  What was the religion of his family and forebears?  As far back as possible.  There appears to be nothing.  A notation in one book simply says he was a Jew.  For that to have been true he would have to have been religiously descended from Jews fleeing from Q'umran or other settlements like it.  Perhaps even an Essene (say mainstream Judaism of the 1st century C.E.) camp in Arabia.  Mecca?  
Anybody know?  Have heard?  References appreciated.  --216.79.207.24 13:50, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Are all assassins culturally related, in the teachings, o master? Wetman 19:32, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: old talk

message: This statement is a run-on sentence. Can someone familiar with the Eisenman material clarify it?
:Though when the Gospels are translated into modern Hebrew, Judas is rendered as "Ish-Kerayot," making him a man from the townships, Robert Eisenman presents the general view of secular historians (Eisenman p 179) in identifying "'Judas the Sicarios".
::I made a few changes to the paragraph to try to make it more readable. Let me know if it makes sense to you. mennonot 00:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What exactly does Eisenmann say about Judas? 

message: Shouldn't this be a separate article?
Also: Indeed, long before Escobar's time, Colombia in particular had a long legacy of professional kidnappers (secuestarios) and murderers, whom he emulated. — any source for the word "secuestarios"? I never heard it in Spanish and Google gives no hits (except this article).--84.188.202.145 00:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sicarios (Colombia) 

message: Sicarios redirects to this article, but there's now no discussion of them on the article. AnonMoos (talk) 08:26, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sicarios (2014)

message: Scholarship over the last several decades -- mostly just based on close readings of Josephus' texts -- has pretty conclusively demonstrated that the Sicarii were NOT simply a branch of the Zealots.  They were an independent organization that predated the Zealots and then competed with the Zealots for control of the anti-Roman revolt.  What distinguished the Sicarii was their targeting of Jews who collaborated with the Romans.  Some of the relevant scholarship on this question:
Ben-Yehuda, Nachman.  The Masada Myth.  University of Wisconsin Press, 1995.
Brighton, Mark.  The Sicarii in Josephus' Judean War.  Unpublished dissertation.  University of California, Irvine, 2005.
Horsley, Richard A.  “The Sicarii:  Ancient Jewish ‘Terrorists,’” The Journal of Religion, vol. 59, no. 4 (Oct 1979): 435-458.
Zeitlin, S.  "Zealots and Sicarii," Journal of Biblical Literature, vol. 81, no. 4 (Dec 1962):  395-398.Terrasirradient 23:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sicarii were NOT Zealots 

message: Please note this article in the NYTimes 
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/world/middleeast/israeli-girl-at-center-of-tension-over-religious-extremism.html?pagewanted=all
From the article: "The virulent coercion in Beit Shemesh has been attributed mainly to a group of several hundred ultra-Orthodox extremists who came here from Jerusalem, known as the Sicarii, or daggermen, after a violent and stealthy faction of Jews who tried to expel the Romans in the decades before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Religious extremism is hardly new to Israel, but the Sicarii and their bullying ilk push with a bold vigor that has yet to be fully explained. Certainly, Israel’s coalition politics have allowed the ultra-Orthodox parties to wield disproportionate power beyond the roughly 10 percent of the population they currently represent."
Is there a consensus that these latter-day Sicarii need an entry by themselves?
Frunobulax (talk) 14:52, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the record: Sikrikim. Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 17:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern-day Sicarii