Talk:Personal pronouns in Portuguese

message: This could probly be a part of another page or something, is this really an encyclopedia article? Ultrarob 02:23, Jun 3, 2004 (UTC)
: yes, the problem is that there is barely any information on portuguese grammar, this is a kind of an island. But I hope that, as more articles regarding portuguese grammar are added they can be organized in a structure similar to a grammar book. For instance, this article could be under Pronouns, which could be under Morphology. --Cataphract 20:43, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Could be a part of another page

message: This article was listed for deletion on 10 April, 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of keep.  This article will not be deleted.  You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Portuguese_verb_conjugation. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 15:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Closed deletion listing

message: Perhaps we should expand/modify the Portuguese pronouns article to cover colloquial/regional use both in 
Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese, and to highlight the differences between modern and classical Portuguese. For example, the pronoun chart in classical Portuguese was:
http://meuprimeiroemprego.net  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.21.179.106 (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for reminding me of the spelling of "connosco". On the use of "o senhor" in EP, see note 5 above. On the "vos" point, I've been monitoring Portuguese TV lately (talk shows, soap operas, etc...) and "vos" seems to be consistently used as the object pronoun corresponding to "vocês". Are "os/as/lhes" used in formal address ? 200.177.16.42 01:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brazilian usage

message: Hi, just wondering how you're gonna say "He will buy it to us." with mesoclisis. Is "Ele comprar-no-lo-á." correct? Thanks. Qrfqr 23:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mesoclisis 

message: I deleted the example "convidamos-vos" from the last paragraph of section "Proclisis, enclisis, and mesoclisis". See  -Cataphract 03:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. I didn't know that myself! FilipeS 11:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "convidamo-vos" 

message: I think this article is becoming cluttered with unimportant region by region details on the usage of the pronouns (read the "Tu vs. Você" section to know what I'm talking about). That should be moved elsewhere. --Cataphract 02:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regional differences between pronoun usage are a fact of life in Portuguese. If you don't know about them, you're not ready to go out into the real world and talk to the natives. I suppose the regional differences could be moved to other articles, such as Brazilian Portuguese and European Portuguese, but then I fear that this article would keep being edited by well-intentioned folks trying to bring the moved regional info back. FilipeS 22:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article losing grammatical focus 

message: The section "Contractions between clitic pronouns" says: "These forms are never used in Brazil."
It is not exactly clear what this sentence refers to - the whole table? Just the lho?
The sentence should clarify this and give an example of European and Brazilian usage.
Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify "never used in Brazil" 

message: The article says "a gente", as a first-person plural, tends to mean a 'we' that is exclusive (of the second person).  Granted it's just a tendency, not a hard rule, but can this tendency be documented?  I first heard it in the film Black Orpheus:  Chico is alone with Serafina and asks her "O que a gente vai beber?" ('What are you and I going to drink?'). Kotabatubara (talk) 22:16, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Cancel:  I found the answer to my own question. Kotabatubara (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: A gente

message: "The use of "-lo", "-la", etc. replacing "você" as direct object is restricted mostly to the written language (in particular, movie subtitles) although it occurs frequently in a few fixed expressions like "Prazer em conhecê-lo" ("Pleased to meet you") or "Posso ajudá-lo?" ("May I help you?)."
Can someone clarify this "in particular, movie subtitles" part - Does this only mean when subtitles (of the Portuguese translation) are put over a non-Portuguese dialogue -lo/-la is used? Surely in films with Portuguese dialogue the subtitles only show written what the actors say, generally você? Wsm1 (talk) 11:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie subtitles 

message: "For this reason, many falsely associate the pronoun with solemnity or formality, ignoring that vós is used for plural in the same context as tu is used for singular."
I find this claim out-of-place to say the least. What is "many falsely associate the pronoun with formality" supposed to mean? If native speakers associate a certain word with formality, then that word is formal. The fact that "vós" was originally the plural of "tu" is irrelevant. In modern BP, "vós" is **not** normally used in the same context as "tu" (as the list of examples before that paragraph indicate). Even in the areas where "tu" is used, the plural is still "vocês". Unless there's an explanation and citation for this, I'll erase it. Rcaetano (talk) 04:07, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage of "vós" 

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message: Maybe I'm missing it, but on neither this page nor the verb conjugation page does it state clearly which verb forms the subject pronouns você and vocês are used with.  I see the sentence "When addressing older people or hierarchical superiors, modern BP speakers often replace você/tu and vocês with the expressions o(s) senhor(es) and a(s) senhora(s), which **also** require third-person verb forms," but the fact that você and vocês use the third-person forms is not stated as its own rule anywhere.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:AC08:A600:594F:5882:E706:9A97 (talk) 21:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject pronouns go with which verb conjugations