Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Archive 1

message: I am skeptical of claiming that Buffy has had a powerful impact/influence, despite the fact that there are a few shows with a distant resemblance to it. Certainly "Bring It On" owes nothing at all to Buffy, except sharing an actress. Is it fair to suggest that any show about a girl or any show that is supernatural owes its inspiration to Buffy? It strikes me as pure opinion, not fact, and I think this idea should be addressed, if at all, very lightly. Although I am as much or more of a Buffiphile as anyone, I am hoping to limit the amount of subjective praise we allow on this encyclopedia page. BarkingDoc
* Bring It On steals Faith (Missy) and barely even bothers to clip her superpowers, as her opening acrobatics show.
* (Dushku also plays Faith-lite in Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back)
* Bring It On director Peyton Reed is scheduled to direct Buffy scribe Doug Petrie's Fantastic Four adaptation .
* Buffy affectionately acknowledges the larceny twice 1) by stealing Clare Kramer (Glory) and 2) Willow's "Bring it on" line in Season 7 .
* Bring It On is all Buffy all the time at the verbal level (cf. ):
** "Changing the routine now would be total murder-suicide" 
** "Let's not put the duh in dumb"
** "Missy is bank"
** "... we were just flying ignorami, for sobbing out loud"
** "Jan's straight, and I'm... controversial"
** "Come on, Torr... I can't mack on you in front of the parentals"
** "Can we just beat these buffys down so I can go home?"
** &c.
* The Buffy movie is listed in the IMDB recommendations for Bring It On  and vice-versa .
* "Is it fair to suggest that any show about a girl or any show that is supernatural owes its inspiration to Buffy?" Who suggested that? If you disagree with the statement "2003 has seen a number of new shows going into production which feature strong girls/young women privy to some supernatural power or destiny that they are forced to come to terms with while trying to maintain a normal life" then please provide some counterexamples. I believe it is fair if the shows and showrunners themselves namecheck Buffy, or their authors graduated from Buffy, or commentators and networks acknowledge their indebtedness to Buffy; and I think I've provided ample support for that.
* "It strikes me as pure opinion, not fact". Fuller's quote isn't my "opinion". Nor is the statement: Buffy was ranked as one of the 50 most influential TV shows of all time . I would be interested to know why you think the sudden appearance of a bunch of supernatural shows with young female heroines "coping under the weight of fate"  has nothing whatsoever to do with Buffy when so many showrunners, scriptwriters and commentators acknowledge Buffy's influence?
* Yes, Barbara Hall (Joan of Arcadia) credits this new post-Buffy mood to the aftermath of 9-11 (which strikes me as classic warballs), but Bryan Fuller has a more pragmatic take: "I'd like to say that this series [Wonderfalls] is in response to 9-11 or some need that has come out of the war on terrorism," creator Bryan Fuller, who also created "Dead Like Me," says. "But really I think it's just because I'm like a lot of other writers from 'Buffy' and 'X-Files' who are just out looking for work and doing what they know best." 
* More data points:
** "Q. Do you see the influence of Buffy on other shows (i.e., Smallville)? Whedon: Sadly, yes." 
** Smells like teen spirituality
:chocolateboy 23:31, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence

message: Is there a partial list of previous Slayers anywhere? I think it would be good to add it. The Fellowship of the Troll 23:14, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous Slayers

message: Format suggestion -- Curps suggested on my talk page to switch to the convetion of putting 
:(Buffy episode)
after an episode name (shorter, more specific, avoids duplication problems in cases like "The Initiative"). Then, all other things Buffy could be tagged as
:(Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
that is, characters, places, etc. I would like to second that and will be putting "(Buffy episode)" after future episode entries, unless someone has a better suggetion ... this could then be carried over to "Angel", and (pause for prayer) "Ripper"
-- Wolf Deunan 08:58, Jul 9, 2004 (UTC)
And it's not just the episode "The Initiative", which would conflict with the already existing article The Initiative (Buffy the Vampire Slayer) about the organization... there is also an episode of Buffy named Angel and an episode of Angel named Darla.  So we really need episode names to be in their own separate namespace, otherwise major confusion ensues. -- Curps 13:19, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Format

message: I wrote the article on Montague Summers, who was an expert on Restoration drama and the occult and the author of several books on vampires.  Does anyone know if Joss Whedon perhaps named Buffy in homage to him?  PedanticallySpeaking 18:01, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
 
I believe she's actually named after Scott Summers, aka Cyclops. Joss is a big X-Men fan. Khanartist 00:08, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Che Nuevara, the Democratic Revolutionary 04:28, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Namesake, Perhaps?

message: This article has been growing for many years, and I find that it has become bulky and difficult to understand. I am going to try to streamline it and make the text more direct and informative, but it may mean taking out some of the tiny details that are crammed into almost every sentence. Just a warning that it is not personal--- I think when an article become 60 percent asides and parentheticals, something needs to be done. I will try and do as much restructuring (not just cutting) as I can. --BarkingDoc 02:37, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Prose 

message: I was wondering if a new series of insertions for each individual season is something we want to add.  Considering that series had so many turning points that are easily attributed to each new season to longtime fans.
I thought I'd run it by anyone interested before writing up a decent sized synopsis for each season since it'd be pretty time consuming just to have it reverted.  --Son of lucas 13:03, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individual Season Additions 

message: I've reinstated the old picture. There's nothing wrong with the logo per se, but no reason was given for the removal of the season 2 DVD cover.
The latter has the virtue of depicting Buffy (and Angel), whereas the logo is much smaller, and reveals far less about the show.
chocolateboy 13:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You have explained the good points of the DVD cover very well, but there more poor qualities. It shows an image of Buffy and Angel together, which was only an underlying theme for three of the seven seasons. It is a DVD cover, and therefore not a good representative of the television series as a whole. I was persuaded to change the image by viewing the Angel article, which is very well done, image-wise. The DVD cover could very well easily moved to another part of the article, maybe in a section detailing Buffy and Angel and/or Season 2. I am re-instating the other image, which is the series logo, therefore corresponding with the Angel article and putting across a more formal and professional impression. --Speedway 21:56, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
The Angel image is not "very well done". It's a screengrab of the word "Angel", and it tells you nothing about the show. "It is a DVD cover, and therefore not a good representative of the television series as a whole" doesn't make sense. How does the logo reveal anything about the show or about Buffy? The logo is worth just four words, while the picture is worth a thousand. I agree that there's room for both images. Why don't you reinstate the logo somewhere else rather than demoting an image that depicts the subject of the article?
The Buffy logo doesn't correspond to the image used on most of the TV shows or movies referenced in the article: Wonderfalls, Tru Calling, Dead Like Me, Charmed, The Life and Times of Juniper Lee, Hex, The Faculty &c.
chocolateboy 05:23, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer&diff=19461570&oldid=19404463 Better Picture]"