Talk:The Slaver Weapon

message: The meat in the Slaver box is tested and found to be "protoplasmic and poisonous", but no suggestion is made that it "turned poisonous", since that would contradict the description of the Slaver boxes as containing stasis fields. Asat 09:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comment was found lodged between the two boxes above. I have moved it below in a minor copyedit. DQweny (talk) 01:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Old comment moved for smoothness

message: ===Appropriate cites===
*"The Kzinti would have made an appearance on Star Trek:Enterprise in an episode tentatively named "Kilkenny Cats", but the show was canceled before this could be filmed." This was uncited and has been for several months. A link to memory-alpha, a fan wiki, is now used to cite this.
*"The Slaver Weapon was later novelized by Alan Dean Foster in "Star Trek Log Ten" published by Ballantine Books in January 1978. The entire book was devoted to this one episode. Niven expressed his displeasure with the fact that a 3rd party author had been used to adapt his own work without asking him first, but contrary to rumor, he never threatened legal action."Urban Myth: Legal Issues Behind 'The Slaver Weapon'"" As a citation, a fan created site was used. 
I have checked on both of these here, fan cites and other wikis have not been accepted as reliable sources for citations. As external links, they may be useful, but haven't been so for inline citations. This is covered in WP:RS and WP:SPS too. Alastairward (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I trimmed the reference to the other franchise's story and added a note on a Star Trek related followup, which should be referenced in Niven's book, which was used for another cite. Alastairward (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

text: What do you mean "valid"? What is this "Kirk era"? Alastairward (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to assume that you know bloody well exactly what "Kirk era" means in Star Trek context. Therefore, If you have a better term for describing "Kirk's tenure" (since I'm sure you'd have a problem with that offering too), then why not just offer it up it instead of wasting time being sarcastic? 137.198.20.48 (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Era"? "Tenure"? Cite? Alastairward (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I've removed it pending sources as I challenged it previously. Alastairward (talk) 09:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: *"The Kzinti would have made an appearance on Star Trek:Enterprise in an episode tentatively named "Kilkenny Cats", but the show was canceled before this could be filmed." This was uncited and has been for several months. A link to memory-alpha, a fan wiki, is now used to cite this.
*"The Slaver Weapon was later novelized by Alan Dean Foster in "Star Trek Log Ten" published by Ballantine Books in January 1978. The entire book was devoted to this one episode. Niven expressed his displeasure with the fact that a 3rd party author had been used to adapt his own work without asking him first, but contrary to rumor, he never threatened legal action."Urban Myth: Legal Issues Behind 'The Slaver Weapon'"" As a citation, a fan created site was used. 
I have checked on both of these here, fan cites and other wikis have not been accepted as reliable sources for citations. As external links, they may be useful, but haven't been so for inline citations. This is covered in WP:RS and WP:SPS too. Alastairward (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Appropriate cites

message: As worded, I  can't support the "The Kzinti would have made an appearance" statement based on a fan site.  A wiki is not going to be a wp:RS.  Is there an objection to the content?  It seems harmless enough, though I would class it is trivia.  Compromise idea:  Would softening the wording to "There are rumors that...", and leaving the (very weak) source in be worth considering?  Perhaps a footnote, with the link to the EL in the footnote?  Just ideas.
wp:BLP would certainly apply to the Niven statement.  It must be removed at once and either reliably sourced or not re-added.  I will do so now.- Sinneed 03:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  3O 

message: *"Niven returned to the original concept of pirates using a black hole to disable ships.."
A section relating to adaptations of the story this story was based on was added. This Star Trek story was based on The Soft Weapon, a story from another fictional franchise, Known Space. The Soft Weapon was expanded into another lengthier story as part of this other fiction franchise. 
Including it here may give a false impression that it was this Star Trek story that was expanded upon, when it itself was actually an adaptation too. Alastairward (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I trimmed the reference to the other franchise's story and added a note on a Star Trek related followup, which should be referenced in Niven's book, which was used for another cite. Alastairward (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Adaptations

message: wp:SOFIXIT - I would encourage proposing a change, other than deletion, that would be acceptable.  I would encourage the editor supporting the content as-is to propose a change, other than leaving it as it is, that would be acceptable.  Perhaps expanding this to show the inter-relation would be worthwhile.- Sinneed 03:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I trimmed the reference to the other franchise's story and added a note on a Star Trek related followup, which should be referenced in Niven's book, which was used for another cite. Alastairward (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  3O 

message: *"There are several features of the storyline that set The Slaver Weapon apart from the majority of Star Trek episodes. For instance, it is the only Star Trek episode or movie of the "Kirk era" that does not feature the character of Captain Kirk (The first TOS episode The Cage is considered a "Pike era" story). It is also the only episode of the animated series where anyone dies or is killed onscreen."
If this was mentioned in a critical review, it might be notable. (As an aside I thought it's interesting was something to avoid in a debate Alastairward (talk) 20:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean "valid"? What is this "Kirk era"? Alastairward (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm going to assume that you know bloody well exactly what "Kirk era" means in Star Trek context. Therefore, If you have a better term for describing "Kirk's tenure" (since I'm sure you'd have a problem with that offering too), then why not just offer it up it instead of wasting time being sarcastic? 137.198.20.48 (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "Era"? "Tenure"? Cite? Alastairward (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

text: I've removed it pending sources as I challenged it previously. Alastairward (talk) 09:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Needs sources... lot of wp:OR there.  Without sourcing it can be killed if challenged.  On the trivia bit... hopefully without being offensive... it's a cartoon, is there any part of this that some/many would NOT consider trivia?  It seems worthwhile, if it can be sourced.  Probably does not belong in Reception.- Sinneed 03:53, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it pending sources as I challenged it previously. Alastairward (talk) 09:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  3O 

message: I have to question the relevance of the image depicting "The Kzinti Dark Stalker vessel as designed by Josh Finney" which appears to have nothing to do with episode. I suggest it is irrelevant and should be removed.
MrNeutronSF (talk) 03:30, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ship image