Talk:Nair/Archive 3

message: Have a look and see where Nair history fits in...
Caste movements and erosion of traditional order
"The first step in the weakening of the state's traditional caste-based social system came under the colonial system. Challenges to the stability of the old system also came from within the caste structure. The emergence of caste movements led to the mobilization of low castes. Such movements could first be seen in the religious field; they later spread their claims to greater access to social status and polical power. Social, historical, and cultural factors encouraged the emergence not only of caste movements among different Hindu communities - like the low caste Ezhavas or high-middle caste Nairs- but also the mobilization of such non-Hindu communities as Christians and Muslims"
"In contrast, the position that Nair people held in the caste system did not require an attack on the religious system. However the Nair movement's attempt to break their historical dependence on the Namboodiris-Brahmin caste- united them to the liberal mainstream. The movement sought to promote greater equality among different communities. It also attempted to change the rules that governed its internal organization- the matrilineal system- that prevented it from taking advantage of new economic opportunities"
"The original political strategy of the Ezhavas and Nair movements to make a collective submission of the so-called Malayali Memorial to Travancore state authorities in 1891 called for equal access for all communities to public jobs, positions dominated by Tamil Brahmins"
Reference: 
State and Society Relationships in India: Explaining the Kerala Experience
Gemma Cairo 
Asian Survey, Vol. 41, No. 4. (Jul. - Aug., 2001), pp. 669-692. 
Stable URL: http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0004-4687%28200107%2F08%2941%3A4%3C669%3ASASRII%3E2.0.CO%3B2-K --Aca123 00:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, that's some really good information that should be added to the article. But I'm not exactly sure where. A new section perhaps? --vi5in[talk] 01:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  some research work  

message: The recent changes in the article regarding marriage by a user kcsnambiar or somebody were quite shabby...before it is added please write it with links and in proper format...the article looks quite shabby otherwise...people have taken pains and efforts in writing it...this applies to all new editors..thanks Manu
What's so shabby about KCS Nambiar's edits?Palattu Koman 05:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Changes 

message: An anonymous user has made some pretty good additions to the article. However, a few things need to be done. Remove all nonstandard quotes (the funky italicized ones you see when you edit the page) and replace them with ". Standardize spellings across the article. "Namboothiri" is spelt about three different ways now. As are other words. Just take a look and see what you can fix. Finally, I'd appreciate it if someone could help me wikify the references. I thought I would be able to do it this evening but I couldn't. Also I'm going to be rather busy this weekend. Check out Wikipedia:Citing sources. --vi5in[talk] 05:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I went ahead and wikified the references at the cost of losing the changes of the anonymous editor's new changes. I'll try to merge, but I've requested him to do it if he can. --vi5in[talk] 17:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikify References and other Cleanup 

message: The article is also getting rather large. I suggest condensing or summarizing the different sections on Nair customs. All of those have articles of their own anyway. We can put most of the information into the individual articles and maintain a condensed version on this one. --vi5in[talk] 17:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prune down the article 

message: There's an incipient revert war going on at Arun Nayar over whether he is Malayali or Punjabi. At least one British newspaper has described his father as Punjabi. I don't know if there is a Punjabi Nayar that is distinct from the Malayali Nair or whether it was written by some clueless British journalist who can't tell South Asians apart (yes, I have a low opinion of celebrity journalists, so shoot me). I spent a few minutes on Google but there seem to be enough articles for each viewpoint. If Nayar is Punjabi, then please don't redirect Nayar to Nair - it may need an article. --74.132.201.173 04:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are Nairs who are Punjabis. For example, Mira Nair. Also, "Nayar" is an alternate spelling for "Nair". The spelling was used interchangeably during the 19th century. --vi5in[talk] 15:30, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I've removed the redirect to Nair from Nayar, and replaced it with a stub. -- 74.132.201.173 15:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are there Nayars who are not Nairs? 

message: We need references for the "Origins" and "Subcastes" section. Manu, could you also include references to the Attire and Food/Drink sections with the appropriate page numbers from the TSM? --vi5in[talk] 16:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References