Talk:Goram and Vincent

message: I'm at a loss to know what I could have done to improve on a B-rating and would welcome advice. The article is fully researched and sourced, and literate. There is no further research worth doing, so far as I can tell. There are unfillable gaps in the account of the legend (e.g. its age), and speculation is justified.
Younsmere 15:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: B is the highest rating that is not a Good Article. Have a read of the Good Article criteria, and if you think the article meets them you can submit it as a good article candidate. Gasheadsteve 16:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

message: The origins of the story are described in the "transmission of the legend" section as having originated in William Camden's Britannia (1586) and Robert Atkyns's History of Gloucestershire. The problem is that both of these texts are available online as searchable documents and there is no description of the Goram and Vincent legend in either.
See here for Britannia: https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/c/camden/william/britannia-gibson-1722/complete.html
See here for History of Gloucestershire: https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=VJdJAAAAMAAJ&q=goram#v=onepage&q=goram&f=false
It is quite possible that this is a hoax, and that the Goram and Vincent story is a much more recent creation.
The Wikipedia article cites Thomas Chatterton, the famous 18th century hoaxer, as another source, but it's not clear from the reference where he wrote about it either. As far as I can tell, the story is no older than the 20th century.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Le poulet noir (talk • contribs) 14:58, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've checked Atykns' first edition (1712), and the story is under Clifton (the page number and title given in the article seem to have been for a later edition; the edition you linked to was the wrong volume: Clifton is listed as section 316, and vol 1 only goes up to section 190); I've added this version to the article. Will now check for Britannia (not made easier by Camden publishing several editions in Latin, often with quite significant revisions, and then only helping produce a translation in English later: so several editions to read through, and difficult to know what form of these names he will use). Just searching for 'Goram Vincent' on Google Books (without any quotation marks), and specifying any time before 1800 will show that there have been many references to this story before then. --YodinT 10:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
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