Talk:Blackbird (Beatles song)

message: Maybe I'm editing too late in the night, but the quote provided seems to conflict with the how the song was written about the civil rights movement. Is the song about a woman or civil rights? ~~Shiri —  Talk~~ 07:00, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)
:The black "bird" - an African-American girl or woman - is singing. That's what the quote, and implicitly, the song is about. IvanP 22:12, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments from 2005/2006, some anon

message: First, stop debating the issue in the article itself. Please debate it here.
The Lewisohn citation is accurate; he thought it was a metronome. He may be wrong, but the article should not be edited such that it looks like the citation supports anything other than a metronome. If there is as dissenting opinion, it needs a different citation. I am going to look through my sources and see if I can find one. John Cardinal 13:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the video The Compleat Beatles, the tap was not a foot or metronome - the Master was intentionally scratched. If you listen closely you will notice that is sounds like a scratch on a record.--Dimedude (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand there is a photograph of the Beatles with the metronome which was used to record Paul's Blackbird song. The scratch idea is nonsense!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Obiewankanobe (talk • contribs) 09:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to footage from a new documentary from the BBC, Paul is indeed tapping his feet to the song while recording. The video footage is not guaranteed to be as belonging to the audio, but the alternating clicks do seem to be consistent with the fact that Paul is alternating tapping with both feet. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 06:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, if it is a metronome it doesn't explain why the tapping cuts out slowly at around 01:35 in the song before starting up again. If they stopped the metronome, it wouldn't fade out, it would just stop. Also, if you listen to the Anthology version of the song, you can here the tapping pause in order to keep in time with the song. A metronome can't do that. gbrading ταlκ 16:38, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Well if you believe they would intentionally put a tap in during post production then you couldn't put it past them to intentionally record a foot tap could you? Personally, Im convinced after watching the anthology video of Paul playing it and tapping his feet in the studio, and comparing that to a close listening of the recording, noting the slow fade out and stop of the tap and alternating sound texture, that it is Paul's feet that we are hearing. Just my opinion though and since Lewisohn is the authority on the Beatles, the tap is a metronome as far this article is concerned.Racerx11 (talk) 06:43, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just another opinion: I've always thought what we're hearing is very gentle clapping recorded separately. The much harder, sharper, louder clapping at the start of Everybody's got something to hide... and at the end of Bungalow Bill sound kinda similar. --2.241.21.251 (talk) 04:53, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Foot or metronome?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The White Album.jpg

message: The article says that Paul wrote the song, but the info box claims the writers are John and Paul: did John have any part in it? I don't have a copy of the album handy to check what the official writing credit says - but either way, this article contradicts itself  Dom Kaos (talk) 17:06, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the Lennon/McCartney article. It should clear up the confusion you have. Paul was the writer on this one. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 06:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Writer?

message: The rhythm in bar 2 of the sample sheet music seems wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.12.19 (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhythm?

message: I have a recording of myself playing Borree on a different instrument nylon string guitar. It may be redundant but if the community finds a use for it I Brian Abbott hereby forefeit any and all rights I posses on this performance including copyright. You don't have to put my name just amateur guitarist playing Borree or something. I'll keep the talk page edit or if there are logs let me know and I can delete it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B386kvTM0LB3bmdGTWwzSzBDOGc/edit?usp=sharing Burnedfaceless (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Borree

message: Listen to this piece by Fernando Sor:
Fernando Sor (Diez)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbBG0ijZO54
Now read the section of this article on the origin of Blackbird and listen to the Bourree piece by Bach.  Do you really think the Bach piece could have influenced McCartney to write Blackbird?  I can't say for certain that McCartney borrowed from Sor's piece, but obviously that piece sounds a lot like Blackbird.  The Bach piece has nothing to do with Blackbird.  Either McCartney was misquoted, or this is simply bunk.  The text discussing melody and bass in the guitart piece is ridiculous. That describes just about any classical guitar piece.  And "reharmonizing" to the relative key of G? Is that supposed to mean transposition into the key of G maybe? Note that that Sor piece is written in G Major, just like Blackbird, so no transposition required!
I believe McCartney borrowed from Sor.  But I can't find a source to quote for what is to me obvious.  Can anyone else find a reputable source that makes this argument so we can include it here?  Also, I call into question the explanation for the Bach origin provided here.  It's dubious at best.  Even if McCartney did allude to Bourree as an influence for Blackbird, which I find hard to believe, the analysis of how the two are in anyway related makes no sense and should be rewritten by someone who knows what they're talking about. Coastside (talk) 01:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin must have been Fernando Sor, not Bach's Bourree 

message: In several bootleg versions of Blackbird (such as the versions on "Watching Rainbows"), Paul can be heard dedicating the song to "Edie". Who is this Edie? Is it perhaps Edie Sedgwick, whom Paul might well have met via Andy Warhol (Andy and Paul met in 1967)? Grutness...wha? 23:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edie? 

message: Per WP:NSONGS. Richhoncho (talk) 00:09, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, this has been done, in effect: Lon Dubh / Blackbird is by now a redirect to this article. :-) --Thnidu (talk) 04:38, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Lon Dubh / Blackbird]] 

message: Section  Composition and recording says
: This tapping "has been incorrectly identified as a metronome in the past", according to engineer Geoff Emerick, who says it is actually the sound of Paul tapping his foot. McCartney also said the same in The Beatles' Anthology documentary. Emerick recalls as being mic'd up separately.Recording the Beatles, pg. 484 
: 
The last sentence of that paragraph, "Emerick recalls as being mic'd up separately", is incomplete: Emerick recalls what as being mic'd up separately? Presumably the foot-tapping, but that really should be checked in the source before any correction is made. While a book Recording the Beatles is cited as the reference, there's no further information about that book. It may well be 
: Recording the Beatles: The Studio Equipment and Techniques Used to Create Their Classic Albums
listed by 
Google Books as by
: Kevin L. Ryan, Brian Kehew, and Ryan Kehew
and published by
: Curvebender, 2006 - 537 pages.
-- Thnidu (talk) 04:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tapping the feet 

message: See the article below
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/paul-mccartney-meets-women-who-inspired-beatles-blackbird-57076/amp/ 2601:645:8300:78F0:856:6D22:5FAE:B4ED (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspired by the Little Rock Nine 

message: Blackbird went gold in the U.K.on 14/01/22 https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/12079-1786-1 Glc19821 (talk) 22:46, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been corrected. Thanks for the update!  Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)My Talk Page  22:51, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  BPI certification  

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thread_title:  Requested move 13 December 2023