Talk:Hairspray (2007 film)

message: strictly opinion: I think the hairstylist needs her own section, given the title of the movie. Furthermore, parallels need to be drawn between black people, white people, fat people, skinny people regarding interpersonal communications and other various interactions within modern culture and society. In addition, the director is a homosexual, so comparisons and contrasts may also need to be made between gay and straight individuals.
71.238.71.180 17:35, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: plot

message: The article mentions the setting in the plot briefy and i beleive it also has some external links to such words like "integration" and "segergation". I feel that there should be a more in deph summary of the historical setting of the 60's. Chelseacarr04 (talk) 15:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it could go in. I know I'm kind of shifting my opinion from earlier in the conversation below, but I'm going to go ahead and create it. Although I'm not a 100% expert on Wikipedia (I have been reverted in my early edits), but I'm not sure, so I'll go ahead. Don't be mad if it gets deleted though. StarfoxRoy|guestbook| 20:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: history of setting

message: The article mentions most of the cast in the opening sections, then there's a cast list, then there's a production and casting section that lists them all over again without giving much new information.VatoFirme 20:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundant casting

message: What is a good film page without an explanation of the theme(s)? The themes are certaintly important because they reflect the dominant ideas of the film. Chelseacarr04 (talk) 22:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme 

message: The "Shankman's inspirations" section of the article says that he included "a lot of winks" to films that influenced him, with The Sound of Music being one of the films listed.  In the "You Can't Stop the Beat" scene, the dress Penny is wearing is supposed to have been made out of the drapes in her bedroom, which can be seen during "Without Love", which I think may have been another so-called "wink" to the part of The Sound of Music where Maria made play clothes for the children out of the old drapes.  While I know including this in the article at the moment would probably fall under speculation or original research, I thought I would bring it up in case anyone had come across a source out there that made mention of this.  If there is one and I'm not just reading too much into this, this could probably be included in the article as well. —Mears man 04:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, when I watched through the movie with commentary by Nikki Blonsky and Adam Shankman, Shankman did say that Penny's dress was meant to be a "wink" to The Sound of Music.  Does anyone know how/if this could be cited and incorporated into the article? —Mears man (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I figured out how to appropriately cite the commentary a while back, just thought I'd post here in case a helpful somebody decided to try and explain it to me somewhere down the road. —MearsMan talk 01:30, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible "wink" to The Sound of Music

message: Is the John Waters template at the end of the article really appropriate for an article such as this?  I mean, yes, he did write the original Hairspray, and he did make a cameo in this film, but besides that he didn't have much to do with what this article's about.  To me it seems like it would make more sense that, if we're going to have a template there, to have a template of someone more directly associated with this film, like Adam Shankman for example.  What does everyone else think? Should we leave the template, change it, or remove it entirely? —Mears man (talk) 14:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: John Waters template

message: I came across this site, where Adam Shankman says "One of the really fun things is that Ricki Lake is cameo-ing into this as of one the William Morris agents.  We did a little research and what we thought would be funny is if they were coming to cast “Bye, Bye, Birdie,” which was made the following year after HAIRSPRAY supposedly takes place, which is 1963.  I think that’s right, anyway.  But I thought it would be really funny if the William Morris agents were coming to scout for who would play “Kim.” I’m sure nobody on the planet will understand this, but it makes me laugh."  I really thought this was interesting and would like to see it added to the article, but I'm not sure where it would be best to include it.  Does anyone have any suggestions? —Mears man (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bye Bye Birdie

message: There's been some concern over the long list of awards present in this article, so I've removed the following awards from the article:
;Wins
* 2007 Young Hollywood Award
** One to Watch — Zac Efron
** One to Watch — Nikki Blonsky
* 2007 Teen Choice Awards
** Choice Summer Movie — Comedy/Musical
* 19th Annual Palm Springs International Film Festival
** Rising Star Award - Nikki Blonsky
* 2008 People's Choice Awards
** Favorite Song from a Soundtrack - "You Can't Stop the Beat"
;Nominations
* 2007 MTV Movie Awards
** Best Summer Movie You Haven't Seen Yet
* 2007 Satellite Awards
** Best Art Direction & Production Design — Dennis Davenport and David Gropman
** Best Costume Design — Rita Ryack
** Best Motion Picture, Comedy or Musical
** Best Original Song — Marc Shaiman for the song "Come So Far (Got So Far to Go)"
* 14th Screen Actors Guild Awards
** Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture
* 2008 People's Choice Awards
** Favorite Leading Lady — Queen Latifah
If you disagree, feel free to say why you feel it should stay in the article, or even put it back yourself. I'll be the first to admit I don't know too much about most awards, so something I find to be non-notable could in fact be quite important. If there's something that I left in the article that you feel should be taken out, please mention that as well. If you think what I've done is fine, I'd love to hear that too. It's nice to get some feedback every now and then. :-) —MearsMan talk 00:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards

message: Sorry I messed it up, but I can't find a way to make it more clean. Please help me out! StarfoxRoy 00:51, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel like I've grown a bit too close to this article over the last year or so, so I've left a message over at the WikiProject Film's talk page asking for their thoughts on your additions. While I agree that the section does need a bit of clean-up now, I can see where your additions could potentially be beneficial to the article, so I thought I'd ask for a second opinion before doing anything. —MearsMan talk 01:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical number organization 

message: I believe adding a bloopers section to the page will enhance the quality. Not many film pages have a bloopers sections and the section is very relevant. Im sure many people would be interested in the mistakes and goofs this film has. Chelseacarr04 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really information though. It's the kind of thing that you would find on celebrity/media gossip sites, not general informational sites. If you do find something, you could probably include it in the context of the plot when/where it can be found. StarfoxRoy(guestbook) 21:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloopers 

message: In the plot section, the black kids from Negro Day are named "Detention Kids". I don't see this anywhere in the movie, and more properly, they are the roles of the "Negro Day Council", considering their on the only part of the movie that shows the feature (New Girl in Town). They were also invited to Maybelle's platter party, and obviously she wouldn't have just invited the kids from detention (which is how that name refers them). It sounds much better and makes MUCH more sense to call them the 'Negro Day Council/Kids'. If anyone is against this, let me know. StarfoxRoy|guestbook| 20:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are listed as Detention Kids in the film credits. We have to go by the official references. 2001:569:7466:DA00:D177:631F:E416:E188 (talk) 09:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I kind of think that the setting was reflected in the older incarnations more thoroughly, but so many parts of the plot were snipped and gutted in the process of the 1988 film to Broadway, and from Broadway to the 2007 film. At it's current state, the only thing that bases itself entirely off of the setting is "Good Morning Baltimore". Also, most other film pages don't have broad mentioning of the setting either, mostly because movies are created (these days, at least) so that the movie could be slapped into any city they want. It's just more work on the set than needed. Not entirely the case here, but I just don't believe it to be necessary. Haha, that was a long rant I just made. My fingers hurt now. :P  StarfoxRoy|guestbook| 20:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot error 

message: I made a new table showing the networks Hairspray was debuted on including date of beginning, but it could use some fixing up. It's too small and must certainly be outdated. StarfoxRoy(guestbook) 20:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Television Showings Table 

message: Why was this deleted? It was apparently deleted for his not being in the movie at all, but what the deleter didn't know was that 'Trouble on the Line' appeared during Tracy's introduction to Seaweed in detention. I specified that in the article so it didn't get deleted again. I don't mind if it gets reverted, so long as you say why. StarfoxRoy(guestbook) 00:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corey Reynold's cameo 

message: I'm not really 100% at this point, but the awards Hairspray won is quite a long list. Some were deleted (see above message my MearsMan), and others have been awarded for sure. StarfoxRoy(guestbook) 00:22, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split "Awards" to new article 

message: This was removed at some point. Possibly a while ago. I tried tracing the editor that deleted it via history. But why delete it? By looking at the collector's edition of the album, it clearly says "Chester Gregory", and the song sounds exactly like the song heard in the first detention scene, and I'm sure there's evidence somewhere on the net if it possibly needs reference. I have re-added it, until a reason to delete it should come up. Leo-Roy!review/gb 01:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chester Gregory cameo 

message: 21.101.15.251, were you trying to preserve copyright or make the page more relevant?  Please include an edit summary. An elite (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanked Main Chars section 

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thread_title: Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

message: Whoever wrote this page labours under the misunderstanding that protagonist=good guy and antagonist=bad guy.
It is not so; see the wiki page on classic greek drama for the correct meaning of protagonist.88.110.127.251 (talk) 14:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed those labels; they're generally not needed in any case. Doniago (talk) 14:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protagonist - antagonist 

message: According to the internet, that movie is A History of Violence and not Hairspray. Whoever keeps adding this, please stop. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last movie to be released on VHS 

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message: The text "White" & "Black" in this article should be capitalized, as such words refer to the racial groups. 
 MOS:RACECAPS
AppGoo0011 (talk) 14:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The very first sentence of that link says: "Ethno-racial "color labels" may be given capitalized (Black and White) or lower-case (black and white)." It should definitely be consistent throughout the article, but what's your argument that they should specifically be capitalized? DonIago (talk) 21:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be confusing. Someone could be white but not White. (e.g. white clothes; white skin, but not White ethnicity) AppGoo0011 (talk) 22:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ...are you suggesting that this article could be confusing to a reader because they might think that the uses of 'white' and 'black' and referring to the clothing worn by the characters? DonIago (talk) 03:11, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Specifically in this article, no. Just in general. AppGoo0011 (talk) 22:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to discuss the general case then I think you should go to the Talk page at MOS:RACECAPS. This page is for discussing improvements to this article. DonIago (talk) 01:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  White & Black