Talk:US Airline Pilots Association

message: Usapa's constitution and by-laws also states "conditions and restrictions" with Date of hire, to protect unmerged expectations. DJshryack  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.43.218 (talk) 03:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The September 11, 2007 article ALPA National to East US Airways Pilots -- 'Buzz Off'; National Association Abandons East Pilots, Seniority published on the USPS press releases page contains the statement "USAPA has determined that seniority is a self-defining term. Accordingly, the USAPA Constitution requires the merging of seniority lists by 'date-of-hire' and no other methodology."  If this is an oversimplification, what's needed is a better reference, such as the USAPA Constitution itself or a published excerpt, or possibly another press article that better explains this item.  -- Tcncv (talk) 04:33, 30 May 
2008 (UTC)
Dear Tcncv, this is right out of USAPA's constitution and by-laws, under objectives. Alpa put out a lot of propaganda, as they have not been voted off a property in 3/4 of a decade. Your references are from very biased articles. 
"D. To maintain uniform principles of seniority based on Date of hire and the perpetuation thereof, with reasonable conditions and restrictions to preserve each pilot's unmerged career expectations." I might add that USAPA has filed today a civil suit in federal court, do to unlawful sabatoge by disgruntled supporters of Alpa, or unsupporters of USAPA. djshryack
"Since the date of its certification on April 18, 2008, USAPA and individual US Airways pilots have been subjected to a concerted campaign of intimidation and sabotage, which has included the following: 1) The jamming of USAPA’s toll-free telephone line in order to hamper union services and impose costs on the Union; 2) false communications to USAPA’s safety line – the equivalent of maliciously triggering a fire alarm; 3) communications to US Airways pilots asserting that their “safety” will be jeopardized if they pay dues to USAPA; 4) malicious efforts to interfere with USAPA’s electronic communications, 5) jumpseat boycotts designed to interfere with pilots’ right to earn a living, and 6) interference with U.S. Mail facilities. Our attorneys have advised us that many of these acts are in violation of federal and/or North Carolina state criminal law.
"USAPA is in possession of substantial documentary evidence confirming the existence of a concerted sabotage campaign. Initial written warnings to those first identified as responsible have either been ignored or met with disingenuous denials of responsibility. And, despite these warnings, the acts of criminal sabotage have continued.
Consequently, in defense of its members, their rights to unhampered union services and a fiscal responsibility to dues contributions, USAPA has determined that it has no choice but to take legal action. 
Pursuant to a unanimous vote of the USAPA Pilot Board of Directors, on Friday, May 30, 2008, USAPA filed a lawsuit in the United States District Court for the Western District of North Carolina alleging violations of state and federal law."
This has nothing to do with the wiki article, but many other issues, as you can see. djshryack  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.40.43.218 (talk) 03:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Usapa's constitution

message: I am rolling back a few recent changes because they were starting to unbalance the article.
*East vs West - I believe its best to keep the East vs West views and posturing in the controversy section, and limit the top section to the mundane description of the ASAPA as the National Mediation Board recognized collective bargaining agent for US Airways pilots.  I recognize that the many (most/all?) of the West pilots to not believe the USAPA represents them, but thats what the controversy section is for.
* Merger vs Acquisition - Also, in the interest of neutrality, can we just briefly refer to this as a merger and get on with the rest of the article?  The actual transactions that occurred were complicated and involved several holding companies, one of which appears to have effectively acquired the other two.  Convincing arguments can be made either way as to which airline acquired which, but I suggest that this debate be taken to the US Airways article which has a section devoted to that transaction.  Regardless of the legal and financial transactions involving the holding companies, operationally the two airlines themselves are merging.
* The Nicolau Award - The cited reference (The Street: Union Fight Ups Stakes at US Airways) expressed the opinion that the award was favorable to the West position, and I believe this is the generally accepted opinion.  A review of the details seems to show that the award more closely aligns with the integration proposal put forth by the America West pilots.
One thing that is still needed in the article is a reference supporting the assertion that "West pilots have generally declined to join USAPA".
Please comment and discuss proposed changes here on the talk page.  -- Tcncv (talk) 05:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes