Talk:AHS Centaur

message: I started this article in June 2005. This followed a visit I made to the site of the AHS Centaur memorial, during which I photographed the site in general and memorial plaques in particular. The article was begun by transferring some of these details to the article. - Peter Ellis - Talk 03:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early comment 

message: Why has this not been submitted for GA or FA status (or at least another peer review to get it there). It's very good and would be a good FA candidate in the near future. JRG 10:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured or Good Article Status 

message: One of the theories we discuss is that Centaur may have been in breach of the convention. If this were the case, would it still have been a war crime to attack it? If not, this sentence needs to be reworked.
:Although Centaur's sinking was a war crime, Nakagawa was not tried for sinking a hospital ship as, despite a series of investigations between 1944 and 1948, the Allies were unable to establish beyond reasonable doubt which submarine had been responsible for the attack.[13]
Something like "Although Centaur's sinking may have been a..." is probably sufficient Nil Einne 14:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a hospital ship, the attack was a breach of the tenth section of the Hague Convention of 1907, and as such was a war crime
Above section would needed to be reworked as well if it's not definite it's a war crime Nil Einne 14:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I note it's not clear to me from war crimes or common practice that something is regarded as a war crime unless it can be conclusively proven it wasn't. Other then the possibility the Centaur may have been in breach of conventions, our article also notes the possibility the Centaur may not have been properly identified by the attacker as a hospital ship. AFAIK this gets in to the tricky area of whether sufficient care was taken in to identifying the target etc. (To use a random example, July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike doesn't say a definite war crime occured. This seems to to concur with common practice where the perpetrator, even if they acknowledge most or all people killed shouldn't have been killed, don't always agree it was a war crime and may instead argue it was an extremely unfortunate part of war which even legal best practice couldn't avoid. Definitely the US does this and I'm pretty sure Australia does as well.) However I'm not going to change it without checking out the source which I can't be bothered to do. If multiple RS say it's a definite war crime, then it's not my place to dispute that. Nil Einne (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centaur in breach 

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replies: text: Go ahead. If it doesn't work, we can always revert. -- saberwyn 20:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you indeed. Tony (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to remove date-autoformatting 

message: The article lists a figure for displacement.  Do the print sources say displacement, or gross tons?  There is a difference.  Kablammo (talk) 02:44, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tonnage 

message: 900 kilograms (2,000 lb) is nothing, thats 10 men in full battle dress. This weight will not alter the draft in any measureable way. --Eingangskontrolle (talk) 21:18, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing this up. I'll double-check the source within the next 24 hours. -- saberwyn 21:31, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the delay. Its a transcription error, the source reads 900 tons, which is a little more respectable. -- saberwyn 20:09, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hospital ship refit 

message: I've just removed a recently-added section describing the 2010 post-discovery remembrance service in Queensland. I think its a little too much detail for the article, adds very little to the understanding of the subject (being the ship's history and her loss), and that it was weakly sourced (a webpage on the Queensland Premier's website). Does anyone have any other thoughts on its inclusion or removal? -- saberwyn 08:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, section was too big.  I have re-added the salient bit, putting it at the ed of the memorial section, since a service is a form of memorial.  Springnuts (talk) 17:54, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010 post-discovery remembrance service 

message: Just wondering why no primary source material has been cited for this article?  Some, such as the transcripts of interviews with Centaur survivors and Sir William Webb's Report on War Crimes (1944) would add considerable weight to this article, clarify some of the disputed issues, and correct some inaccuracies.
115.70.95.106 (talk) 07:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia's guideline on reliable sources and policy on preventing 'original research', published secondary sources are preferred, as they provide analysis and hindsight of the primary sources. -- saberwyn 05:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

text: If there is a webpage(s) that can be linked to, any such links should fit well in the "External links" section, but we'd probably be best with a few good ones as opposed to listing every single mention. -- saberwyn 00:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!
* http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2003_05_18/story_838.asp
** In Esperance Star on 2011-03-18 08:54:52, 404 Not Found
** In AHS Centaur on 2011-06-19 22:51:50, 404 Not Found
--JeffGBot (talk) 22:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: I didn't know that the Sydney Morning Herald website had a television section, but it does, and it includes the hour-long documentary Centaur: Death of a Hospital Ship. Should this be added to the article as an external link? -- saberwyn 00:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Centaur: Death of a Hospital Ship'' 

message: The infobox has measurements in metric units. As a British-built ship, it would have been built to Imperial measurements, which are given by Lloyd's Register. Shall I add these to the infobox and article? Mjroots (talk) 07:06, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would indeed think that appropriate. Davidships (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Measurements

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message: I am puzzled why no attention has been given to anomaly of the torpedo strike. In the poster the ship appears to have been struck forward on the starboard side, which would suggest the submarine was further out to sea. By the time the poster was produced it was well known that Centaur had been struck on the port side, suggesting the submarine was closer to shore. This raises the question that I have not seen mentioned in accounts of the sinking, as to why this error ( if it was an error and not a deliberate misinformation)has not been mentioned previously.
Mac8201 (talk) 12:30, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sinking of AHS Centaur 

message: Hello, nice article. I notice the last section is a combination of "External links and further reading" and I don't recall seeing it presented this way before. MOS:ELLAYOUT does state "Depending on the nature of the link contents, this section may be accompanied or replaced by a "Further reading" section.". I generally considered this to mean either or both, not both combined. I suppose one advantage of separation would be removing a longer single list that can look like link farming. Anyway, I just thought I would inquire to hopefully gain reasoning if it has been considered.   Otr500 (talk) 13:27, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links and further reading