Talk:Alcohol and cardiovascular disease

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Thank you.David Justin 16:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Wikipedia:Cite sources.  Also, we should consider merging this into Alcohol and health.  Kaisershatner 19:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: The following paper was widely cited in the non-scientific press:
Kaye Fillmore et al. "Moderate alcohol use and reduced mortality risk: systematic error in prospective studies." Addiction Research and Theory. Advanced online publication March 30, 2006.
This paper claims that the conclusions were distorted by people who had to abstain from alcohol because of health problems. This seems to disagree with the statement on the article page that the effect remains if one filters for such effects. Maybe someone knowledgeable could say a few words about this. Han-Kwang, 23 April 2006
:Actually the Fillmore paper suggests that the conclusions of a causal relationship between the moderate consumption of alcohol and reduced mortality *may* have been distorted because of the non-disaggregation issue in some studies. Unfortunately, Fillmore's analysis omitted a number of important studies, omitted all non-prospective studies, and did not address the fact that many of the physiological mechanisms whereby alcohol leads to improved cardiovascular health and dramatically reduced mortality are now documented and understood. In short, the paper only looks at a part of the total picture.Medical Man 15:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it looks at the most important part. The Fillmore paper, now published in Addiction Research & Theory, 14(2) 2006. 101-132, looks at prospective studies (always considered a better research design than retrospective, though typically much more expensive to conduct) specifically to determine if patients had been misclassified as abstainers but really had reduced or stopped previous drinking patterns. Upon analyzing the resulting data, taking into consideration 54 published studies, the authors found that the studies judged to be error-free did not demonstrate significant cardiac protection from alcohol. I'll update the entry. Drgitlow 19:52, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fillmore's meta-analysis

message: Hi Wham- Please note that I created this page (Alcohol and cardiovascular disease) on 30-9-05 using Alcohol and Health as the Source. Therefore, it is not spam. Thanks. David Justin 14:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Hi Wham- Please note that I created this page (Alcohol and cardiovascular disease) on 30-9-05 using Alcohol and Health as the Source. Therefore, it is not spam. Thanks.David Justin 18:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Hi Wham- Please note that I created this page (Alcohol and cardiovascular disease) on 30-9-05 using Alcohol and Health as the Source. Therefore, it is not spam. Thanks.David Justin 16:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Hi Wham- Please note that the materials in bold in the following Wikipedia entry are from “Alcohol and Health”  and “Alcohol Protective Against Coronary Heart Disease (CHD).”  
The evidence demonstrates that the entry was sourced from those web pages, and indicating that fact does not constitute spam. To the contrary, it is proper documentation and consistent with Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks.David Justin 00:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Documentation

message: I understand that many people originating from India for example do not drink alcohol. Yet in Britain at least this ethnic group is known to have a much higher rate of health problems such as diabetes etc. Could this explain the link between abstainers and heart problems compared with moderate drinkers? Any papers about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.196.19 (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Association with health problems of non-drinking ethnic groups? 

message: My first version of this disapeared into cyberspace so here is a shortened version. In Britain people originating from India etc are known to have a much higher rates of diabetes and other health problems, and also abstain from alcohol. Could this explain the link between abstaining and more heart disease than moderate drinkers? Any papers on this? What about the health of Mormons? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.2.196.19 (talk) 17:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mormons, who are not supposed to drink, apparantly live much longer than other people Word_of_Wisdom#Health_studies_regarding_Latter-day_Saints 80.2.200.127 (talk) 19:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic health link perhaps? 

message: The opener of the article reads like written by a college student trying to justify drinking all day. Rename it 'benefits of moderate alcohol intake in the case of..' cause you're gonna kill people. --Leladax (talk) 21:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irresponsible article. 

message: I'm not aware of any studies where people drank just alcohol. They all drank wine or bear or etc. These are compounds of diverse parts - not just alcohol. Why doesn't this article spend any time discussing this issue? see Flavonoid#Wine Smkolins (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  alcohol? 

message: Typical of wikipedia, this article is misleading because it tries to pose as scientific research. When you report research findings you must do more than simply state "Group 1 were significantly more at risk of heart disease than Group 2". Effect sizes must be reported too, otherwise the results are impossible to properly interpret. Statistical significance is not the same as clinical significance. Nicolasconnault (talk) 06:18, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effect sizes 

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message: doi:10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.117.030387 JFW | T@lk 07:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wine