Talk:SS Richard Montgomery

message: I have moved the following content, as it appears to be POV (If Foley did not attend the inquiy, this is presumably not the finding of the inquiry, so the source should be explict)
:However, the ultimate reason for the disaster lies with the harbour master, who was confident that his choice of berth for the ship was safe, despite objections by the assistant harbour master who tried to have it relocated, but was countermanded by his superior. Foley, the assistant, insisted upon a written confirmation of these instructions, which was refused; with this Foley left the office.
:After the disaster, Foley was posted to another department, which prevented his attendance at the inquiry, and so obscured the fact that the ship was incompetently parked by the harbour master, who then refused to consider otherwise.
Viv Hamilton 12:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: I have changed the spelling of harbour master back to the UK version, as in the context of this article it is referring to a UK job title.  Given that the article is about a former US ship lying in UK waters, it is not clear whether US or UK spellings should be used in general, althouh the interest in this wreck is predominantly UK. Viv Hamilton 13:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't actually chamnge it Viv but I have now.  Kevin McE 23:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks - slightly flaky computer crashed mid-edit.  I also failed to implement the above POV edit, which I have now done Viv Hamilton 08:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK/US spellings 

message: Hello everyone just a little note of caution the coordinates for the SS Richard Montgomery are incorrect, the coordinates display a house at the end of a housing estate. I believe the vessel lies at 51 28'04.62"N, 0 47'12.74"E.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasy87 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The given co-ordinates don't appear to be all that inaccurate, and do point to the Thames Estuary in approximately the correct location, rather than on land as suggested. The UK Maritime and coastguard agency state that the wreck is designated under section 2 of the Protection of Wrecks Act 1973, which means that there is a no-entry exclusion zone around the wreck. The wreck is clearly marked on the relevant Admiralty Charts. The exclusion zone is defined by the following co-ordinates:
* 51° 28’ 04” N   00° 47’ 12” E
* 51° 27’ 57” N   00° 47’ 22” E
* 51° 27’ 50” N   00° 47’ 11” E
* 51° 27’ 58” N   00° 47’ 01” E
Regards, Lynbarn (talk) 15:41, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

text: 2000 MCA report referenced in article says sandbank (at 51°78'57"N 00°47'12"E). Referenced figure should be given. Pol098 (talk) 02:26, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: The article states:
* 286 × 2,000 lb (910 kg) high explosive "Blockbuster" bombs
* 4,439 × 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs of various types
* 1,925 × 500 lb (230 kg) bombs
* 2,815 fragmentation bombs and bomb clusters
Which, not counting fragmentation bombs, is 2,700 tonnes, not the 1,400 tonnes stated immediately above that.
:The weights for each bomb type refer to the weight of the whole bomb, rather than just the explosive within them, so the totals won't match. Elder pegasus (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And Sheerness says 3,172 tonnes. They can't all be right. Stifle (talk) 10:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Some of her cargo was salvaged. This could account for the discrepancy, with the lower amount being that not salvaged. Mjroots (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

text: I have removed the quantity of explosives from the Sheerness article so there is no contradiction any longer. Dormskirk (talk) 17:49, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

text: The article states the Kielce had a "similar" amount of ordinance to the Montgomery, then immediately in the next sentence goes on to say that the ordinance Kielce carried was "just a fraction" of that of the Montgomery. So which is it?
Indeed, it would be interesting to make s comparison what awaits if/when the Montgomery blows up. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:65EE:1699:9B95:BBFE (talk) 01:06, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ordinance Weights Incorrect? 

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message: MOS:NUM says the choice between mdy and dmy dates should be made in part due to "strong national ties". This article is about the ship (which is American) and not just its wreck (which is in UK waters), so it seems apparent to me that the article's strongest national tie is to the USA, and therefore it should use mdy dates. Hairy Dude (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has used dmy dates for years. It has been in UK waters for over 70 years, compared with a couple of years in service. I see no good reason to change the date format. Mjroots (talk) 17:00, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  The history of the article is irrelevant. As for the other argument, would you say the Dalai Lama has stronger ties to India than Tibet because he's lived there much longer? Hairy Dude (talk) 03:51, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a wreck in UK waters and as far as it being any kind of issue, it is a UK issue. It was wreck caused by an error by a UK harbormaster, and a wreck which is potential hazard to the UK. I agree it should be DMY. The Dali Lama is not a good analogy. The only thing remarkable about this one, of thousands of liberty ships like it, is that it is wreck in the Thames Estuary -- which is in the UK. The article frankly should be "SS Richard Montgomery Wreck," just as there is an article on the Hindenburg disaster.Explainador (talk) 17:31, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: The 6th paragraph in 'Status and risk' contradicts itself with information about how much munitions was aboard 'Kielce', the Polish ship.
"... Kielce, which contained a comparable amount of ordnance, ..."
"... and had "just a fraction" of the load of explosives."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.31.77 (talk) 12:28, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
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