Talk:Northern Sea Route

message: I commented out the bit about melting the ice: has anyone seriously proposed this? Can someone provide a source? Gerrit CUTEDH 16:35, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: What's the deal with volcanism? I can't imagine that underwater volcanoes could be serious factor in melting of the sea ice, except perhaps extremely locally. I see that originally that chapter was named "Climate Change". What gives? --Mikoyan21 (talk) 09:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: the claim of the first opening of the both passages in 125000 years is a wild guess. the source given, is just the independance newspaper. if you look at videos of the arctic ice, you will see, that even in years with a lot of ice as during the 1980s, every summer the ice sheet breaks and those are moving extensively. this makes it extremely unlikely, that both passages were closed for so long. they may have been open in the 1930s or 1940s but without satellite evidence either claim is completely unscientific.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.93.163.192 (talk) 07:15, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volcanism? 

message: This recent addition says that the Soviets gave the Germans permission to use the Northern Sea Route to transit to the Pacific Ocean.  I had a book on the German commerce raiders.  It said that Germans paid the Soviets a handsome fee for the charter of Soviet icebreakers to escort the one that made the passage.  IIRC the fee was several million dollars -- a much larger sum in 1940.  Geo Swan (talk) 05:27, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  German raider Comet in ww2 

message: I removed the phrase "without icebreakers", because, although the Reuters reference asserts that, other references contradict it, and some of them contain pictures showing the icebreaker escorting the Beluga vessels.  Geo Swan (talk) 13:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: I removed the phrase "without icebreakers"

message: I've left this for a while now, in the hope that the discussion would develop a little. As I've said before, the Independent article contradicts the scientific consensus that the the Arctic may have been ice free as little as 5,000 years ago. It can't therefore be considered a reliable source. For reasons of space I've decided against listing sources on ice coverage in the Holocene, though I'm happy to do so. There's nothing controversial about that view. If the Daily Telegraph or the Wall Street Journal produced new information that appeared to diminish the effects of global warming, if it were not repeated in a scientific publication, it would certainly be disallowed for reasons of weight or RS. Quite right too. The current wording that takes account of objections while repeating the claim constitutes a synthesis of published material and therefore a form of original research.
I have found the same story repeated in National Geographic. They quote a spokesman from ESA making a far more modest claim: "Data gathered this year revealed that the Northern Sea Route, also known as the Northeast Passage, and the Northwest Passage were both open simultaneously for the first time since satellite measurements began" and I would suggest that as a basis for a new wording. I also think we should mention doubts attributed to a number of bodies including NASA. --Lo2u (T • C) 13:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New wording 

message: I'm not sure how to edit this into the article but I think this is another good addition for the history section:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/russia-1-icebergs-0-as-supertanker-takes-short-cut-to-china-20100901-14njs.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amosshapira (talk • contribs) 11:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: News from September 2nd, 2010

message: The history, climatology and economics of the Northern Sea Route and Northeast Passage are greatly interconnected, with a large partial overlap. It is difficult to talk about one without talking about the other. It therefore may be more appropriate to merge the two articles. Note that I first tried to to move some content from the NSR article that was only about the NEP (per talk item just above), but most of the content in the NSR article is too tightly mixed with the NEP, and it is therefore that I am proposing a merger of the two articles. Since the Northern Sea Route is a domestic Russian route, which is subset of the larger and transoceanic Northeast Passage, I propose that the merger be done by moving all contents from the NSR article into the NEP article.   (talk) user:Al83tito  17:15, 01 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to merge the Northern Sea Route Article into the Northeast Passage article 

message: I undid an edit bu Moryak, who had added the following wording to the map description: "I should be noted that the Northern Sea Route is incorrectly depicted as beginning along the Norwegian coast and extending below the Bering Strait.". The quoted claim is erroneous. The Russian legislation does not include the Barents Sea as part of the NSR: It is formally defined in Russian law as extending from the Novaya Zhelaniya straits (at the Novaya Zemlya archipelago, connecting the Barents Sea to the West and the Kara Sea to the East), to Cape Dezhnev by the Bering Strait. A scholarly source for this is the following paper: SOLSKI, J., 2013, New developments in Russian regulation of navigation on the Northern sea route. Arctic Review on Law and Politics, 2013(1), pp. 90–120. Furthermore, the map shown is part of AMSA, a publication by the Arctic Council, so by itself it is an authoritative source. The AMSA reference is also included in the list of references of the article. Finally, this text addition by Moryak was made followed by a citation to a source that does not support his claim, but rather the opposite. (talk) user:Al83tito  20:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by Moryak regarding map illustration (NEP vs NSR) 

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