Talk:Scottish Socialist Party

message: Saulisagenius's edit has made this page look daft.  Although he has put the various SSP's into chronilogical order, surely the current SSP deserve to be the main body of the article?  After all, that is most likely the SSP people will be looking for, and it is what the articles that link here refer to.  Unless people object strongly (and I shall probably disagree with them if they do), I am gonna change things back.
Big Jim Fae Scotland 26 March, 2004, 00.57
:I agree that the curent SSP should be "main body of the article" and it still was even after my last edit. If someone reads my version  then they can see imediately that there have been three parties of the same name over the years, but with the current edit they would have to read the whole article before knew that. So for the majority of people looking for the current SSP it doesn't really matter either way but for the minority looking for the previous two it does matter alot. Saul Taylor 02:58, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I don't think chronological order is an important issue. How do you feel about this proposal Talk:Scottish Socialist Party/Proposal?. It would require moving the details of the first SSP to a new stub article. Saul Taylor 23:42, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Thanks for catching my mistake. Since no one object I have now implemented my proposal, I think the article looks a lot better now than either of the other previous versions. Saul Taylor 14:26, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Because democratic socialism is their stated aim.  Most members of the group are independents who are not members of any of these Trotskyist groups and presumably are not all Marxists, let alone Trotskyists.  Besides, the main platform is probably best described as ex-Trotskyist. Warofdreams 11:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Various SSP's

message: There seems to be a developing edit war over whether the SSP is best described as a "left-wing" party or a "far-left" party.  I believe left-wing is more appropriate, for two main reasons.  First, it seems more accurate, as the Wikipedia far left article characterizes the far left as less willing to work within the current institutional framework, giving as examples anarchists, Maoists and Trotskyists.  The SSP, by contrast, has a democratic socialist ideology and several MSPs.  Additionally, the article notes that "far left" is often used pejoratively within the English-speaking world, raising concerns about WP:NPOV.  I'll standardize the article to "left-wing" (it currently uses both terms) and will revert any further warring unless these comments are discussed.  -David Schaich Talk/Contrib 06:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with you. —Nightstallion (?) 21:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Left wing" vs. "far left" 

message: It is very important that criticisms are sourced.  For organisations still in existance, the situation is similar to that described at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden of evidence in biographies of living persons. Besides, while it is of course true that many groups have criticisms of the SSP, those listed are the criticisms made by the SWP in particular. Warofdreams talk 13:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the "Groups such as" opening makes it clear that criticism of the SSP is not restricted to the SWP, even though their statement is what's being discussed in the paragraph.  I like Warofdreams's version.  -David Schaich Talk/Cont 14:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't understand how this assertion in any way contradicts the current wording. Could you explain? Warofdreams talk 00:37, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticisms

message: Would any of the editors of this article be interested in starting up the Republicanism in Scotland article? For examples of the layout and scope of articles of this type, please see :Category:Republicanism. --Mais oui! 12:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Republicanism in Scotland 

message: Since the distinctive Scottish use of this term left me puzzled, I've cobbled together this article. Please help me make it better. --Orange Mike 01:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not specific to Scottish politics.  The LCR, for example, is also home to several platforms. Warofdreams talk 03:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Which LCR? ("TLAs are NFG!") And do they call them "platforms" rather than tendencies, caucuses or groups?--Orange Mike 04:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that'd be the Revolutionary Communist League (France).  To be honest, I don't know what they call them, but I've only ever seen the term translated as "Platform".  They currently have Platforms numbered 1 to 4. Warofdreams talk 04:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, translation can be treacherous, as you know. I know that at one time there was the famous Groupe Bolchevik-Leniniste (GBL) within the Section française de l'Internationale ouvrière. Is the term in French "groupe" with your translator using the familiar "platform" to translate? If this "platform" is truly a European usage, then so be it, we'll rename the article and take out the WikiProjectScotland tag; but if it's a Scots peculiarity, so be it.--Orange Mike 04:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not "group".  A search shows that it is "plateforme", which I should have guessed, really. Warofdreams talk 04:39, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Got you!  Moved it to Platform (European politics) for now. You are invited to improve it, as I'm from a non-Trotskyist background (I get the feeling this is mostly Trotskyist in origin?) and may get the nuances wrong. --Orange Mike 04:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tbh I'm not sure this really needs a seperate article,does the political factions entry not cover this - perhaps a better solution would be to start a section in there on terminology. Ms medusa 22:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Platform (Scottish politics)]] 

message: The article notes that their 2007 results were much worse than their 2003 results, but doesn't give any explanation as to why.  Is there some particular reason for the large downturn in their support? --Delirium 18:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The split by supporters of Tommy Sheridan caused the decline in vote. Added together, the left parties did similarly. --Duncan 23:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In 2003 the SSP got 117,709 constituency votes and 128,026 list votes. In 2007 it withdrew in all but one constituency and got 525 votes whilst for the list it got 12,731 list votes (fewer even than the Socialist Labour Party). Sheridan's Solidarity got 31,066 list votes but that leaves over 80,000 voters who didn't vote for either - perhaps the SNP gobbling up the protest vote or just "a plague on both your houses" reaction to the split. Timrollpickering 19:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 results 

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message: Can the SSP really be described as "a radical left-wing Scottish political party", when Wikipedia defines Radical Left as:
"an umbrella term to describe those who adhere explicitly and openly to revolutionary socialism or communism".
The SSP may be considered a radical party compared to the parties of the centre-ground, but this article might lead some people to think they are a revolutionary party. Some platforms in the party claim to be revolutionary, but as a whole, the party's parliamentarianism and policies are broadly democratic socialist. Jh39 (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radical left-wing? 

message: My site has a copy of the full Scottish Socialist Party Manifesto and their '12 point plan' page. We're driving towards having all English-language political manifestos of every political party in the world on our site in the same/similar format (which is why I thought it may be useful for Wikipedia). All the content, except the '12 point plan' page are contained in PDF files on the SSP website. As more and more manifestos are added over time, in my opinion, it could become a useful resource for Wikipedia. 
Scottish Socialist Party Manifesto
Declaration of Interest: I own the site so shouldn't add the link myself. Jdfjurn (talk) 14:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Manifesto 

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