Talk:Pogue

message: --CopyToWiktionaryBot 22:03, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007-02-8 Automated pywikipediabot message 

message: Reference for the supposed sexual origin of the term? The folk etymology I have heard for this term is either from the seemingly improbable acronym P.O.G. ("people other than grunts"), or from the more likely Irish phrase 'pogue mo hone' ("kiss my arse").
:"POG" is a contrivance and a backronym, albeit one completely misspelled and horrifyingly misapplied. I'm in the military and good grief I am tired of people insisting that the word "pogue" is simply the pronunciation of the acronym. First of all, this implies that the military invented the word "pogue," and that it was further an official-enough term to give it its own acroynm. My suspicion is that the word "pogue" is related to "pogueybait", naval slang for candy or other junk food. The sense of "pogue" being a derogatory term for Irish immigrants would make sense for both uses of the root word. Pogue would have been eventually adopted as a catch-all for lazy/cowardly servicemembers, and independently "baiting" a "pogue" would best be used with candy or the like. This "POG" nonsense infuriates me. Every time some stupid fucking jarhead says it's an acronym for person other than grunt I want to cave their head in. End of Rant.Robotempire 11:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to me the Philippine origin makes more sense than the Irish one given the "pogueybait" variation.  Anyhow, I noticed that the 3rd and last paragraphs are repetitive, redundant, and repetitive.  FWIW.  --Davecampbell (talk) 21:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to having lost contact with its linguistic source, the modern military vernacular has turned "pogue" into a retronym/backronym. "Pogue" is now sometimes incorrectly described as the pronunciation of the acronym POG, or Person Other than Grunt, or Posted On Garrison.[2]
I write as a former US Marine (2003-2006) and ask that if modern usage uses "POG" as "Personnel Other than Grunt" (the only way I've heard it ever used), and the original "linguistic source" has been lost, is "POG" therefore not the accepted and "correct" usage even though it has a different origin - a sort of repurposing that trumps archaic and discontinued meaning? As another example, consider the word nigger's original (questionable in some cases) neutrality for a dark-skinned person compared to its modern racist meaning. No matter what the origins may have been, the modern usage is the only one of consideration in most circles. 24.40.86.151 (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins 

message: From the article:
::Due to having lost contact with its linguistic source, the modern military vernacular has turned "pogue" into a retronym/backronym. "Pogue" is now sometimes incorrectly described as the pronunciation of the acronym POG, or Person Other than Grunt, or Posted On Garrison.[2]
I write as a former US Marine (2003-2006) and ask that if modern usage uses "POG" as "Personnel Other than Grunt" (the only way I've heard it ever used), and the original "linguistic source" has been lost, is "POG" therefore not the accepted and "correct" usage even though it has a different origin - a sort of repurposing that trumps archaic and discontinued meaning? As another example, consider the word nigger's original (questionable in some cases) neutrality for a dark-skinned person compared to its modern racist meaning. No matter what the origins may have been, the modern usage is the only one of consideration in most circles. 24.40.86.151 (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Usage 

message: I was surprised that fobbit had neither an article nor an automatic redirect. REMF, for "rear echelon motherfucker", does redirect here. This article covers the term 'fobbit'. Can we have 'fobbit' also redirect to this page, for the same reasons 'REMF' does? 75.61.128.238 (talk) 03:39, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes little sense, as Marines used the term as well. So, the relationship is dubious at best. We will suffice it to say, the term is used in a highly disparaging manner, much akin to the term "faggot", though denoting an even lower status in such groups of people. Think worse than useless phrased in the most insulting manner imaginable.Wzrd1 (talk) 02:59, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make Fobbit redirect here? 

message: The following section has been moved here. It is unsourced and contains inappropriate language, and considering the light pink background, may well have been plagiarized. "Fobbit" is, of course, synonymous with the assorted name for REMFs, but we need an actual authoritative source other than my own 30 years "in". LTC (Ret.) David J. Cormier (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fobbit section 

message: Before every man and their dog start flooding the site with what their uncles cousin's flat mates dog's first owner said FUCK really stands for perhaps the editors of this article should refrain from backronyms, besides stating that 'many people have applied backronym's to attempt to expand on the meaning of the term,' which is pretty much all that is needed in that regards. You don't want to get into the list-mania that Wikipedia collapsed to almost a decade ago. 121.211.33.244 (talk) 01:49, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backronym's aren't encyclopedic. 

message: In Irish pogue is the word for kiss. 
Is this of any relevance? 
pogue
Irish English /poʊɡ/
Frequency (in current use): 
Origin: A borrowing from Irish. Etymon: Irish póg.
Etymology: < Irish póg kiss (Early Irish póc ) < the British base of Old Cornish poc- 
Irish English.
A kiss.
c1675   Purgatorium Hibernicum in D. Ó Muirithe Dict. Anglo-Irish (1996) 152/1   An gave the one litle poge for old acquaintance.
1707   in H. Playford Wit & Mirth (new ed.) II. 246   He ask'd for a Pogue, she call'd him a Rogue.
1778   Charms of Chearfulness 39   Each man gave a pogue, To his sweet-heart.
1868   S. Ferguson Father Tom & Pope iv. 49   The real cork's dhrew..and it was the noise I made in dhrawing it, and nothing else, that you mistook for the sound ov the pogue.
1908   A. P. Graves Irish Poems (ed. 2) 42   The contract I'll seal wid—a pogue.
1998   K. Griffin in T. P. Dolan Dict. Hiberno-Eng. 202/1   Give us a póg, and be off with you!
A (young) male homosexual, esp. one who is the passive partner in a sexual relationship.In quot. 1919: spec. a man who prefers to be penetrated anally.
1919   U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry in Jrnl. Soc. Hist. 19 192   Hughes said he was a pogue; Richard said he was a cocksucker; Fred Hoage said he was a two-way artist.
1953   M. Dibner Deep Six xv. 131   ‘What's a pogue, Dutch?’.. ‘A sweet kid who'll do anything for a candy bar. Hell, a candy bar's called poguey-bait.’
1974   R. Stone Dog Soldiers 85   He flashed him a quick approving downward glance. The kid was a pogue.
1996   A. Theroux Secondary Colors 260   A ‘green boy’ for homosexuals, is a pretty boy, a pogue, candy pants, a young brat.
Póg mo Thóin was an Irish band and that phrase is a common usage of the word. 
EDLIS Café  18:24, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish  

message: A grunt is an infantryman, no other MOS is considered a grunt . Therefor other combat arms can be POGs such as artillery, engineers, etc . 
https://www.wearethemighty.com/military-life/6-ways-for-a-pog-to-be-accepted-by-grunts/
https://taskandpurpose.com/humor/15-things-pogs-will-understand/
This is universally how the infantry has seen it also Cowsthatfloat (talk) 04:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grunt 

message: POGUE isn't a misspelling. It pre dates POG. POGUE means Person On Ground (with) Unused Equipment. Basically someone who deployed to the war theater but never saw action. This term can be applied to grunts as well as POGs (Persons Other (than) Grunts. 2600:6C40:700:C64:516F:6976:950F:DC9 (talk) 14:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is wrong.