Talk:Satellite television

message: The content of this page should be reviewed.
1) Why link commercial services - Is this advertisment or wikipedia?
2) Why exagerating the influence of pay-tv services, e.g. sky television? Well they were the first who signed a contract with SES-Astra to rent a transponder. But there were many others at the same, including many free tv-stations. This article suggests that satellite-tv is always pay-tv.
3) DBS has many synonyms. The first DBS-System-Provider calls it DTH Direct to Home.
4) The distinction between DBS and TVRO-Systems is weird. It first suggests that TVRO-Systems are analog and one way. Aftwerwards it points out that digital tv like DVB is a TVRO-System.
DK: TVRO is for TeleVision Receive Only.  In that sense, yes it is a one-way communications path.  They may be analog or digital, but that depends on the source of the signal being transmitted.
:Agree.  18.24.0.120 23:05, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Review page contents

message: The much more common situation now is for americans to want canadian programming -- canadian satellite services provide more channels for better prices and often include british and australian programming not available in the US.
Not sure how to edit this in.
* I believe the term "reverse grey market" is used to describe these systems, although the lack of choice of providers for premium movie channels, the more limited sports coverage, the inferior selection of ethnic and Spanish-language channels would be a severe downside. The only advantage (other than price) offered by the Canadian system is in BBC and CBC news or perhaps in French-language programming. --carlb 05:11, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grey Market 

message: Following my comments above, from a long time ago, I've got rid of all the external links that just point at one commercial site. The individual companies nearly all have their own Wikipedia articles, so the links should be in those; in case some of them aren't, I'll put all the links I removed here so the information isn't "lost". - IMSoP 00:33, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extraneous links 

message: I agree, this page looks like a commercial for pay-tv-services.
1) the distinction between TVRO and DTH is totally obsolete, cause the market share of non-KU-band sattelite TV-homes is almost 0%. Looks more like: DTH pay-tv = good - TVRO Free-to-air = bad.
:Sorry in India, or countries like that there is no freedom in law for Ku band receivers, and You can only use C band satellite receivers
:Therefore if you look at global matters C band is still alive
:I suppose the law is that Ku band is reserved for cable tv operators, to gain unfair advantages over freedom stripped ordinary citizen
:And India has like 20% Earth population, and a lot of them speak or understand English, and there are other countries
:I may agree that TVRO and DTH is totally obsolete
:And there is little info about DiSEqC and its practicality  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.187.202.138 (talk) 17:42, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much Pay-TV 

message: The critism as it stands is veyr poor. "slow menus" ? Totally personal. There is no reason to explain why cable systems have faster screens then satellite recievers.
Something about economics?
Something about long contracts?
Something about expensive upgrade-plans?
Channel selection versus alternatives?
Quality?
All of this is USA specific, how are other countries with regards to this?
:I have deleted the entire section as it was indeed not clear how this is a criticism of satellite television per se; for reference, it consisted of these two sentences:
::Satellite receivers have had slow channel menus that customers have had to wait several seconds to go through while searching for their favorite channel.  Other cable receivers have fast menus that satellite reveivers can't match their pace with.
:There may of course be a clearer way of making whatever point the original author intended here, in which case by all means add it back in... - IMSoP 14:49, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critism?? 

message: The link to Image:Antenne-toroidale.jpg needs a caption, but I'm not sure what it's there to illustrate. -- Beland 05:45, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caption needed 

message: In section "Satellite television by continent and country" quite many weasel words are used, like "unquestioningly," "up to a million by some estimates" and "often heated debate".  I have marked the offending section--it needs major non-POV work. --KJRehberg 20:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel Words 

message: What resolution HD signal do satellite companies broadcast in their HD-TV programs? (Emk52 01:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satellite HD-TV Broadcast Resolution 

message: Can a person turn a home dish into usable solar energy, like a solar panel? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.118.120.190 (talk) 22:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect you'll have more success with your questions at the Science help desk. Antonrojo 13:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home satellite dishes 

message: This comment was included in article text, so I moved it here for discussion. I think editoral comments only belong if they are commented out or indicated with templates:
Copyright violation text removed from this location, discussing growth and decline of TVRO satellite television in the United States from 1980 to today. Please rewrite this section.
Antonrojo 13:29, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Migrated editorial comment

message: I've cleaned up some of the external links (removed one link to an article on how satellite tv works and a link to a page on a particular class of satellites. Wikipedia is not a links directory.--Jmccormac 18:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: "DBS systems are generally based on proprietary transport stream encoding and/or encryption requiring proprietary reception equipment."
DVB-S is an open standard. I've removed the whole paragraph. Totsugeki 09:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the reference to DVB-S and also clarified the use of Conditional Access Modules as add-ons for a basic receiver.--Jmccormac 00:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proprietary? 

message: I am unable to find Broadcasting & Cable's updates on the satellite TV legislation. The web site added a new search function. I just checked a library database which has been of no help.Vchimpanzee ·  talk · contributions · 20:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Web site change has messed me up 

message: Editing urgently needed. The sections "Broadcasting centers", "Programming" and other have been copied from howstuffworks.com. Not only that it is absolutely illegal, the text is also full of errors (e.g. MPEG-2 compression is not the only one).
:: Thanks for removing that howstuffworks material. It was really poor quality text. Jmccormac (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large sections copied from howstuffworks.com 

message: RE: this article version Was cleaning up some related Satellite TV articles and noticed quite a few problems. Under "Categories of usage" the article states DBS (is) also known as "Direct-To-Home". According to this reference that statement is wrong. Direct-To-Home is an overall classification for home use Satellite TV and DBS, TVRO, etc are all sub types of DTH. The redirect of Direct To Home to DBS is also wrong, "Direct To Home" should link to this article. The "Direct to Home television" section of "Categories of usage" is unreferenced and is a redundant or contradictory description of the "Direct broadcast via satellite" section, i.e. take the same term and describes it again or as something different, a third thing. There are also other cleanups I noticed like a redundant Big ugly dish article (should probably be rolled into Television receive-only) and a general poor linking and set/subset confusion with all these articles. This article seems to have evolved into a WP:SUMMARY article and should probably follow that style, i.e. this article is the overall description of the common term Satellite television and then leads the reader to all the reference sub types. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction / needed cleanups

message: I've removed content that has been scraped and cut and pasted from websites and content farms elsewhere on the web. Some of these websites are just blogs and unreliable sources (WP:RS). The history of Satellite TV may need a few paragraphs but cutting and pasting from other websites (and even changing a few words) is not how Wikipedia articles are created or developed. Some references are reliable but there's the conflation of Satellite TV with Conditional Access Systems (VideoCipher II etc) while these subjects are covered in their own articles on Wikipedia. Jmccormac (talk) 07:51, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And I have reverted you again. If you look at the sources, you will see that the text on the page is indeed not copy-pasted from the sources. For instance, ref 4 references a sentence in the article that says "The world's first commercial communications satellite, called Intelsat I (nicknamed "Early Bird"), was launched into synchronous orbit on April 6, 1965," while the source says "American communications satellite. One launch, 1965.04.06. Intelsat 1, also called Early Bird, was the world's first commercial communications satellite." Another example would be the sentence that says "In October 1984, the U.S. Congress passed the Cable Communications Policy Act of 1984, which gave those using TVRO systems the right to receive signals for free unless they were scrambled, and required those who did scramble to make their signals available for a reasonable fee." The source is a news, not encyclopedic article. Most of the sources are reliable news or encyclopedia articles, which meet WP:NEWSORG and WP:WPNOTRS. You also claimed that the madehow source is linkspam. I was, again, using a tertiary source, which WP:WPNOTRS says are OK for giving overviews or summaries, but should not be used for detailed descriptions, and if you notice, I did not include many sources like this. I added summaries of things covered in other articles, such as about Captain Midnight and Videocipher, not detailed descriptions; those are found in the separate articles. I am currently working to add more of a worldwide viewpoint to the history section, but do not remove the content; please continue to discuss on the talk page; irrelevant reasons will be disregarded. If you continue to do so, you may be in danger of breaking WP:3RR.Qxukhgiels (talk) 17:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

text: There are sections in that content that are copied and pasted from other websites. The Madehow link is linkspam and seems to be content scraped from a few sources. Some of it is barely literate English and the page has Google Adsense advertising on it. The "world view" sections were moved to the Satellite TV by country pages in 2010. You don't seem to be relying on what you find on the web rather than on published or reliable sources. A lot of that scraped content on the web is flawed. The newspaper references are generally accurate. Those sections need serious editing by someone clueful about the events and history of the early days of satellite TV. Jmccormac (talk) 19:10, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've spent some time editing the sections into passable English with many of the same references still in place. At least they appear to flow more logically now and don't look like an exploded paper shredder. Jmccormac (talk) 23:43, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

text:  Corrected section about first satellite TV satellites. Relay 1 was not launched until December 1962. Telstar transmitted satellite TV on 23 July 1962. Telstar was over the Atlantic ocean, rather than North America, so that the stations on both sides of the Atlantic could "see" the satellite. It was only visible to both continents for approximately 23 minutes. Syncom 1 suffered an electronics failure during launch. Jmccormac (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing Scraped and Cut and Pasted Content 

message: Per ' edit  (but which didn't actually restore it, I've made a follow-up edit that (hopefully) does what was intended).  Please review and check.  —Sladen (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it did. I reinstated it all minus the first section, which I had modified. I have restored that modification now.Qxukhgiels (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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message: A lot of information is listed twice, and more information about how satellite TV in the modern era could be useful, instead of the majority of the history being from the 1980s. MightyArms (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  How this article could be improved