Talk:Madlax/Archive 1

message: That could be a solution for the problem, very useful for those who prefer to know more of the series without have to watch it entirely, however, this could be bad for others, anyhood, I think someone could talk about symbolism ofthe series, bcs there is a lot of it (I think one of the reason why no one else has attacked Madlax is bcs most of the peeps dindt see some ideas reflected in the argument and characters, anti-war followers (I am not one of them) will find Madlax really dissapointment) --General Kane Nash 02:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently working on the Russian article, which is well on its way to the featured pantheon right now. The election would probably be over in a couple of weeks, so I'm likely gonna expand this one afterwards. :) --Koveras ☭ 04:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perhaps more spoilers? 

message: Ok, folks, I've completed the translation of the Russian article that is currently featured on Rupedia. The text is available in my sandbox, and I intend to simply copy-paste the whole thing into this article (overwriting the old content). Therefore I ask everyone to check whether I have missed something out that is the article right now, but isn't in my translation. Thank you. PS: Oh, and I'll copy the missing screenshots from Russian Wikipedia when they are needed. Right now, I'll go translate the episode list. PPS: Please, don't mind the spelling mistakes, grammar and incorrect name spellings at this point, right now, it's only about the content. --Koveras ☭ 16:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fantastic! :P Thank you for mentioning the yuri that is suggested in it. Kyaa the Catlord 18:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. :) As for yuri, there are many reviews out there that list MADLAX as a shoujo-ai anime, so I decided that it's worth explaining. :) --Koveras ☭ 08:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian translation 

message: Since the section has turned a bit illegible, here is the to-do list:
* Start the Background section (I'll do it, eventually). Background comes before the Story and should contain:
** Descriptions of Nafrece, Gazth-Sonika, Bookwald Industries, Enfant
** Similarities with our world including the weapons table
* With the Background section done, rm the Synopsis section by moving the remaining story info to the "lead" (I'll do it)
* Start a character list article and move the entire descriptions there. Reduce the chara section to seven brief, non-spoilorific descriptions with screenshots and voice actors (no Mashimo Menu).
** Wikilink every character name in the main article to the character (sub-)section in the list.
* Get rid of the remaining trivia (I'll do it myself as soon as the Background section and the chara article are there)
* Add Staff and production section after Releases
* Locate all statements in need to be sourced (SidiLemine agreed to help here)
** Find a whole bunch of reviews to support the IRL statements (I'm afraid, SidiLemine will have to do the searching part, as well)
** Find corresponding scenes, dialogues and episodes for the in-universe statements (I can do that)
* Check all the titles and names for their consistency with the official translation (this should be done after everything else, to ensure overall consistency)
Well, that's the general plan, I suppose. --Koveras ☭ 09:52, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning 

message: It seems we edit at the same hours! I've had an edit conflict with your last one. :) Generally I agree with your to-do. What do you mean by IRL?
:In order to avoid edit conflicts, I suggest that we postpone the unsourced statement tagging until the very end, when I'm done with background section and chara article. In the meantime, you can look for those reviews and stuff. %) By "IRL" I meant "in real life", that is, everything regarding the reception, production, theme, and everything. It'd probably be the best if you simply list everything notable that you can find here and we'll see how we can incorporate it all in the article. --Koveras ☭ 10:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's it with the sourcing and stuff. Now it needs some stylistic improvement and, perhaps, trimming, though as for the latter, ca. 8-9 kb are references rather than prose. Additionally, I'm not really content with the Staff and Cast sections - they can be more compact IMO, but I don't know how to do that. Any ideas? Perhaps, there is some smart film template I have to yet learn about... --Koveras ☭ 11:19, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did some style corrections, but it'd be really appreciated if someone with a better eye for grammar than me looks through the article. I've also compacted (visually) the production section, but the article is still 59 kb big. --Koveras ☭ 20:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wow

message: :Here are a few nice links:
:Volume 1 at Rotten tomatoes: links to 4 good reviews.
:Volume 2: 9 commercial reviews, probably 2 or 3 usefl.
:The ANN reviews are good, you shouln't have trouble finding anything you want to say about the characters, the mood of the series, or that kind of stuff there. Also goo to explain and justify reception, ie comparison to Noir, etc.
:It seems like there's staff commentaries in the DVD extras. If you have them, that's a gold mine.
:I see you've got the Newtipe interview, that's good too.
:Note that ANN have an article for each DVD, plus one in the encyclopedia.
:As you said, I'll wait until you finish before tagging any further.--SidiLemine 12:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sidi, it's gonna take some time for me to read all those reviews, plus, I've just got assigned on a new job in real life, so it's probably gonna take some time to get all those statements sourced. Just so that you know. :) --Koveras ☭ 18:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations! Hope you like it. I'll try and do some sourcing when I get time. Real life is a pain in the ass ;)--SidiLemine 10:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've formatted the reference sites using the cite templates, so if you decide to do some sourcing, check out my sandbox. I have also finished reading and analyzing the reviews (the ones I got listed in there), but I currently have little to no time to thoroughly source anything. :( --Koveras ☭ 17:19, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've begun copyediting for grammar, style, etc. It's amazing how fast you got this up. In the lead, it might be good to place the part about Noir at the end, as it's the less accessible to someone with no knowledge. Also, I was checking your sources, and I'm not sure how far we'll go with some in-world info without being accused of OR. I say, as soon as we're done copyediting, let's put this through PR and see what happens!--SidiLemine 13:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: You didn't justify how the scenes of Garthz-Sonica are related to Hong Kong. Can you find a source for that?--SidiLemine 13:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I had my doubts about Hong Kong, too, so I prefer to have it removed as insufficiently sourced. As for Noir info in the lead, I can't really think of a way of moving it down without completely rewriting the whole section. And with OR of the in-world, well, I tried my best to find definite statements within the series itself... --Koveras ☭ 16:46, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably the better option for now. For the lead, I'm making an attempt to see how it flows. I know, and I think it's pretty well done; it's just that I think that the OR line isn't that well defined about in-fiction info; and that's one of the reason why articles about fiction try to be as out-of-world as possible. Anyway, I'm just saying so you can be prepared.... But what you did is already remarkable, and I think we could remove about half the statements in there and still have a pretty good article. --SidiLemine 18:15, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. The point is, I don't want to remove any statements because I want a complete article, not simply a featured article, if you understand what I mean. :) Btw, how about copyediting the rest? %) --Koveras ☭ 07:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I think it would fit pretty nicely at the end of the "reception" section, as you already talk about the OST there.--SidiLemine 11:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's where I wanted to put it, indeed... However, AnimeReactor is not a very official organization and their goals are a possible copyright violation... In other words, is it PC to link to their site? %) --Koveras ☭ 12:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. Not only is it officially a site dedicated to copyvio, but the link you have is to a forum, against WP:RS. Too bad, we'll have to do without.--SidiLemine 13:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: Right now, all pictures (except in the characters section) are right-aligned which is a bit dull... Maybe we should left-align some? The problem is, I lack artistic taste to do that alone... --Koveras ☭ 13:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actaully, I think there's kind of a guideline or something asking that most images be placed on the right, or else it would be "distracting". I'm not sure bu I remember someone demanding that all images in the beginning of a section be placed on the right, in the Lain GAC or FAC.... I personally find the article very professionnal-looking the way it is; maybe you could still add a few more, or enlarge some? Then you would have a good reason to have some on the left, so as not to cram the right side!--SidiLemine 14:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, currently, we are fulfilling the norm "one-image-per-prose-page" with the exception of Production and Releases sections, where tables take their place, and References, so additional images are not mandatory... I wondered if we could move "Madlax and Vanessa" and the "Boxed set" to the left, actually, but I wasn't sure. Can you preview it and then tell me your opinion? --Koveras ☭ 15:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your point with the norm. How about enlarging them then? ;) It's really hard to make out the three personnas in this format. I took a look, and I like it better on the right. Seems more serious: it is at its place illustrating the text, not the opposite.--SidiLemine 16:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Enlarging the pictures is not a problem: the trick is that their size is currently undefined, meaning that custom user settings for thumbsize are used by default. I have it set to 180px, what's yours? Because I feel it's a quite appropriate size... Though, for compatibility reasons, we definitely need to make the images size constant, you are right here. --Koveras ☭ 16:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's pretty good character pics. Any idea of the status (re fair use)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by $yD! (talk • contribs) 10:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: , naturally. :D --Koveras ☭ 12:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, I'm done. What do you think? --Koveras ☭ 16:13, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much more harmonious. It does, however, highlight the length of the characters section, that has been bothering me from the very start. I understand they are all crucial characters (as they are all on the TV tokyo site and the cover), but maybe you could just manage a short text at the beginning of the section explaining how a vast core cast is an important part of the series' setting, or something of the like? It would also help with the anti-list crusaders. Nice catch anyway.--SidiLemine 19:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, I'll try to come up with something... --Koveras ☭ 20:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: I have "come up with something". Can you please take a look? --Koveras ☭ 20:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That should do it. I tweaked a little the first sentance to stick closer to the ref, but couldn't find the second. It leads to the list of DVDs, maybe you should make it point directly to one of them?--SidiLemine 10:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the problem is, there are several inlets referenced in the article, each coming with another volume. I've had the scans of the leaflets posted here but I wasn't sure whether it's OK to link to a forum... --Koveras ☭ 12:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I don't think you need the inlets to be online to quote them. They're print material, arent't they? So just quote them as is, with as much references (impression, edition, whatever) as you can. To clear out doubts, I'd go with full quotes on this one as it's not the most easily verifiable material, but it's definitely WP:V and WP:RS. ---SidiLemine 13:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are print material, for sure. :) But full quotes will be very long (especially the production refs, since basically, they are almost entirely taken from the inlets). Any suggestions? Oh, and what other reference information can I add? I mean, they are simply paper pieces included into the DVD packaging... --Koveras ☭ 14:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I've expanded the references as I saw suitable, couldn't figure out the thing with the quotes, though... --Koveras ☭ 23:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the problem. It's probably best to avoid linking altogether for the ref N°09, as the link doesn't back up the claim. Just saying it's in the leaflet should be enough. As for refs, etc, I was thinking about the DVD's details, but the way you did it should be good (or it'll be quickly fixed at FAC anyway). If someone expresses doubts, you can still send him to the scans on the beetrain forum, as an "off-record" ref. --SidiLemine 11:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the source in N°09 has following statement: "Margaret deals with Maurice Lopez, a potential suitor who may well be more interested in her money than in her (Elenore to the rescue – and after seeing her deal with Maurice in very effective fashion, I've decided we need to see more of her)", in other words, a brief summary of the episode on a secondary source... --Koveras ☭ 15:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: I've just discovered the  template. Should we format the episode refs with it? ^^ Like this:  --Koveras ☭ 13:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: This article has been listed for GAC since the 14th of January.--SidiLemine 09:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. ^^ --Koveras ☭ 08:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: YAAAY! Congrats Koveras, really grat work. I'd personally go with a staff photo if you could find it (about below), but if you don't a staff table is perfectly fine. Cheers again! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by $yD! (talk • contribs) 10:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think a photo is possible - in fact, I've had trouble getting a single picture of Mashimo. %) --Koveras ☭ 11:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAC 

message: Regarding the recent formatting by Geuiwogbil (talk • contribs), I want to remark that although that formatting is all right for a VG article, in an anime series' one, it becomes a little messy: we have the name of the series in italics, the episode number, the time, the character's name in bold, and the quote itself without any separators around it. By comparison, in FFX, it's only the last two parts. In any case, my proposal would be to return the quotation marks, so that separating the formal data and the quote itself becomes easier. --Koveras ☭ 10:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Koveras. Quotation marks should be used, as seen in Lain which is a FA. Kazu-kun 00:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with the return to the previous quotation form. I'm sorry to have wasted your time. Geuiwogbil 22:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, don't take it personally! We all know that you wanted to improve the article. :) And so did we, that is all. ^^ --Koveras ☭ 06:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotations 

message: I feel it is more appropriate to take the sentences verbatim when quoting something. That is why I added a "sic" after that, in case someone missed it. --Koveras ☭ 15:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ops, sorry about that. I really didn't see the sic mark. OK, it's reverted now. Kazu-kun 05:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, and apology accepted. :) --Koveras ☭ 06:30, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decapping 

message: Is it possible that Margaret Madlax and Letita all represent Freud's theories of the Id, ego, and super-ego just a thought, I have nothing to really back this up with. --67.177.36.225 03:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a very interesting idea and may even be the case but without backup, we can't put it into the article, seeing how it is nominated for FA right now... --Koveras ☭ 06:58, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychology Connections? 

message: The article has been promoted! A big thanks to all, especially SidiLemine, SnowFire, Kazu-kun, and Deckiller. ^^ --Koveras ☭ 07:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: Rhynri 02:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ActiveAnime changed their URL format, apparently, and discarded the old one. Not a very professional thing to do, but who am I to have expectations... Fixed the links. Also, to my knowledge, the link to AnimeNfo in EL works perfectly. :) --Koveras ☭ 07:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Koveras.  My 'RhynCheck' is fairly simple... I basically check for a rendered site (meaning - it shows up) for every link.  If there is an error in route it could lead to me mistakingly marking the link broken.  (I'm not perfect and neither is my internet connection.)  But I do try, and if the link turns out not to be broken, my apologies!  I usually double check broken links for confirmation.  It could also have been a server side glitch...  Glad to hear it's working!  Rhynri 04:12, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No offense meant. :) AnimeNfo tends to have outages from time to time. :) --Koveras ☭ 09:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RhynCheck Dead Links  

message: This goes to everyone who participated in the improvement of this article: does anyone feel up to translating the thing into Simple English? :D Unfortunately, I can't get the German translation any higher than GA status because Germans have weird criteria for their FAs (e.g.: "FA must be at least 80 kB big"; it's not explicitly stated but implied). And I don't speak any other languages. ^^; Though I must also admit that I've never edited Simple English articles before so I may not be aware of customs and content guidelines there... --Koveras ☭ 21:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simple