Talk:Tsinghua University

message: I did the add. Maybe I could add a photography? Let me know what you think. Alaeri (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of Graduate School at Shenzhen

message: Has Wikipedia standardized on pinyin?  If so this article needs to be moved to "Xinghua University".  --Fritzlein
:Not even so. That would be "Qinghua". But the traditional name of the University, still widely used is "Tsinghua". olivier 14:34 Nov 11, 2002 (UTC)
::The university still calls itself "Tsinghua University." See the official site at http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/eng/. —Lowellian (talk) 14:13, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
Unlike most Chinese names, some historic ones keep the traditional spelling to avoid confusion, or just because the standardized pinyin does not sounds/looks cool. Tsinghua is a good example for this.--Manchurian Tiger 22:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: The debate over Qinghua University vs. Tsinghua University is interesting, as is Beijing University vs. Peking University. 
Regardless of the legitimacy of these names, 6.7% of the googled entries of Tsinghua/Qinghua University used Qinghua, and a staggering 28% of googled entries of Peking/Beijing University used Beijing.
Perhaps more dramatic is the results you get when you search the internationally influential The New York Times as of 2005-10-11. Since 1981, there are 99 entries of Qinghua University as opposed to 31 of Tsinghua University; and there are 392 of Beijing University as opposed to 53 of Peking University.
Apparently, by the time Tsinghua University was established, the Wade-Giles system had not quite become popular. So someone used a combination of the Roman letters to approximate the vocal values of the two Chinese characters 清华. Yes, I suppose Tsinghua is the transliteration of 清华, but not an independent English name, and Tsinghua itself is not an English word. This is not like the English name, John, chosen by a Chinese guy named Jianhua. Just as Peking in the name Peking University has been intended to mean 北京.
In other words, they had no choice at that time but were forced to coin up a combination to express the name of the university in the English context. The same is apparently true of the word Peking for the city.
We know that pinyin was developed by the Chinese government in 1958. And since 1977, it had been the official romanization system for Chinese at the UN, and it got the official standard in 1979. On August 1, 1981 it also became an ISO standard (ISO 7098: Information and documentation -- Romanization of Chinese).
Based on this system, Tsinghua is Qinghua, and Peking is Beijing. Nevertheless, the two universities worried that their glorious histories would be buried in the dust, and they would not be recognized internationally if they wrote their names as Qinghua University and Beijing University. 
But the city of Beijing has never had such worry, and the use of Beijing soon became universal, and Peking, as a consequence, literally fell to disuse.
Interestingly, the now fairly frequently used Beijing University, as opposed to Peking University, in the Western media, was not originated from the authority of the university, but from Western journalists.
Although Tsinghua is not a place name as is Beijing, but it corresponds to the Chinese characters 清华.
The statement "There has never been a Qinghua University in this world" is an emotionally charged one. Apparently, it is used to refer to Tsinghua University. A similar statement could have been made about the city: "There has never been a Beijing in this world. Only Peking.'"
The state of the matter is kind of lugubrious, as only the university authorities and their alumni, as it were, like these old fashioned spellings. Other folks get their Qinghua and Beijing when they derive these spellings from the Chinese names of these universities, or they simply slip to the pinyin version in an unguarded moment.
In my opinion, it is to the best of their interest if the two universities slowly shift to Qinghua University and Beijing University. They may first include both names in their official websites with the old ones in parentheses, and in time, they can completely get rid of the old ones. Otherwise, the confusion and two different spellings will continue, as the pinyin version of these names is the linguistically legitimate verion and a natural extension for those people who know the Chinese language and pinyin. The terms, Tsinghua and Peking, as of now, are technically/linguistically illegitimate words, and it is an anachronism to insist on their continued use. And it requires extra and unnecessary effort to learn them. As in the case of the city that shifted from Peking to Bejing, the two great Chinese universities will not lose their glorious histories. Those who remain clueless forever about Qinghua University and Beijing University are perhaps not worth knowing them at all.
Or the two universities will engage in a perpetual task to dispel the confusion and to right the wrong, or more aptly, to wrong  the right, spellings as one generation of young people after another grow up in the years to come as Chinese and pinyin become more and more popular.
--Roland 06:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all very interesting, but it's not for Wikipedia to make history. 清华大学 calls itself Tsinghua University - there's no ambiguity about that - so this debate seems rather moot to me. --pfctdayelise 12:43, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well said, sistah! By the way, what does "moot" mean? Is it an Aussie slang?--Manchurian Tiger 21:14, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed it is not. See  adj - sense 2. It's an interesting debate -- maybe it is an anachronism to keep using "Tsinghua" -- but it is rendered irrelevant by Wikipedia policy. - pfctdayelise 00:15, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Qinghua University]] ''vs''. [[Tsinghua University]]

message: I removed 'In 2001, Tsinghua University was ranked as the best university in China (simultaneously with Beijing University).' until someone can tell us the source of this ranking. --Kaihsu Tai 15:17, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ranking 

message: Is "was funded by an indemnity which China paid the United States after the Boxer Rebellion" correct? China paid the US, and then the US actually established the university on China's behalf? —Lowellian (talk) 14:09, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC)
I asked a bunch of Chinese students in Beijing and they all say that Americans founded Tsinghua, so I guess it's true, I was surprised myself. --220.245.178.135 12:49, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Tsinghua graduate, I confirm that the school indeed was created using the fund from the US government which is the part of the Boxer Indemnity that was considered over paid. The early faculty members were recruited from US by YMCA.--Manchurian Tiger 22:06, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxer indemnity 

message: In which Tsinghua U and Peking U both ranked 1st.
That Netbig ranking is extremely questionable, but I think it's safe to safe that Peking and Tsinghua are tied for first, especially considering that those two have the highest entry standards in the Chinese university admissions test every year. --220.245.178.135 12:51, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I would say that the ranking of 2001 came from netbig. 

message: Although the university authority is the ultimate arbitor over what spelling to use, it is technically an anachronism to insist on the old Peking in its name. As long as the university uses this outdated spelling, confusions will continue to arise. As of now, 28% percent of the googled entries of Peking/Beijing University used Beijing instead of Peking.
If the city of Beijing has successfully shifted to the new spelling from Peking in a short period of time, so can the two universities. --Roland 00:42, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read #Qinghua University vs. Tsinghua University above. And please sign your own posts by typing four tildes like this: ~~~~. Thanks. pfctdayelise 13:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  anachronism 

message: Why isn't there a link to the University's web site?  American Universities have such links. (Perhaps I missed it here).  A quick google shows this as the english homepage: http://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/eng/index.jsp.  Thanks129.93.191.96 04:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

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thread_title:  Protected 

message: This article has some good images, however, they are way too big and they are "blocking" the texts and the paragraphs.  The images are served as illustration for the text, so there is no need for them to over-powering the words.  The "supersized" images creates way too many blank spaces in between the paragraphs.--TheLeopard (talk) 20:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Image sizes

message: The article Tsinghua University Press is currently a redlink, please look at examples of how to do it and write something: Ohio University Press (stub), Rutgers University Press (short article) or Oxford University Press (long detailed article)  --Enric Naval (talk) 21:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsinghua University Press 

message: * Your refs are poorly formatted. You probably should format them consistently, in a generally accepted style (e.g., APA). Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 04:25, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References poorly formatted 

message: Needs to be done. -Falcon8765 (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: What did happen during the Cultural Revolution? For how long did the school was being shut down? How many teachers being beaten to death? How did the first Red Guards begun in Tsinghua? This is an important chapter of the university's history,shouldn't be missed out. Arilang   talk 13:50, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can probably mention it in the History section but not with this level of details. Most of this would belong to the Cultural Revolution article, since the university itself is not responsible for any of that. Laurent (talk) 16:06, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: TU was shut down for x number of years, and many notable TU alumni were Red Guards, all these should be in the article. Please refer to :http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B8%85%E5%8D%8E%E5%A4%A7%E5%AD%A6#1949.E5.B9.B4.E2.80.941977.E5.B9.B4 Arilang   talk 01:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Yes but that doesn't seem directly related to the university itself. There was fighting everywhere during the Cultural Revolution, so it doesn't make sense to single out Tsinghua. Actually, do we know why these students started fighting each others? Perhaps if we could provide some explanation, or somehow connect these events to the university itself (For instance were they influenced by their professors?), the whole section would be more useful. Laurent (talk) 08:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See:清华大学附属中学是红卫兵运动萌发和诞生的摇篮, the university and the affiliated high school was where Red Guards originated from, not because of their professors, it was because of their parents, who were mostly communist cadres and high officials. Those famous Red Guards leaders they all have powerful parents. Even today, the university is a important cradle producing top ranking communist leaders. Politically, Tsinghua is much more than your average university, in a sense, the university is there to make sure communist party stay in the hands of "trusted" people.  Arilang   talk 09:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural Revolution

message: WikiLaurent's (Quote:Tsinghua Red Guards:  sorry but this is not about the university but about its students. We can't have sections about every single one alumnus. Unquoted.)removal of material related to 100 days armed battle is unreasonable, to say the least, we all know that it was the students that went fighting each other, that is the history of the university, that was what students did in the past, that make up the history. Put it differently, without students, there would be no university left. Arilang   talk 07:49, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but that doesn't seem directly related to the university itself. There was fighting everywhere during the Cultural Revolution, so it doesn't make sense to single out Tsinghua. Actually, do we know why these students started fighting each others? Perhaps if we could provide some explanation, or somehow connect these events to the university itself (For instance were they influenced by their professors?), the whole section would be more useful. Laurent (talk) 08:31, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See:清华大学附属中学是红卫兵运动萌发和诞生的摇篮, the university and the affiliated high school was where Red Guards originated from, not because of their professors, it was because of their parents, who were mostly communist cadres and high officials. Those famous Red Guards leaders they all have powerful parents. Even today, the university is a important cradle producing top ranking communist leaders. Politically, Tsinghua is much more than your average university, in a sense, the university is there to make sure communist party stay in the hands of "trusted" people.  Arilang   talk 09:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 100 days armed battle

message: *“自强不息，厚德载物；
*独立精神，自由思想"
*又红又专
*爱国、成才、奉献
were the original motto, why is it no there?
*http://club.kdnet.net/dispbbs.asp?BoardID=2&id=7297886&page=1&1=1#7297886
*http://wenku.baidu.com/view/14682a5bbe23482fb4da4cb7.html
*http://daf.tsinghua.edu.cn/html/xueshu/xq_qhgs/20110420/22026.html
 Arilang   talk 01:53, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Original motto

message: 清华校歌, can anyone tell me why this song is not included in the article?
1923年　汪鸞翔教授　於北京清華
　　
　　西山蒼蒼，東海茫茫，
　　吾校莊嚴，巍然中央。
　　東西文化，薈萃一堂，
　　大同爰躋，祖國以光。
　　莘莘學子來遠方，
　　莘莘學子來遠方，
　　春風化雨樂未央，
　　行健不息須自強，
　　自強，自強！
　　行健不息須自強！
　　左圖右史，鄴架巍巍，
　　致知窮理，學古探微。
　　新舊合冶，殊途同歸，
　　肴核仁義，聞道日肥。
　　服膺守善心無違，
　　服膺守善心無違，
　　海能卑下眾水歸，
　　學問篤實生光輝，
　　光輝，光輝！
　　學問篤實生光輝！
　　器識其先，文藝其從，
　　立德立言，無問西東。
　　孰介紹是，吾校之功，
　　同仁一視，泱泱大風。
　　水木清華眾秀鐘，
　　水木清華眾秀鐘，
　　萬悃如一矢以忠，
　　赫赫吾校名天穹！
　　天穹，天穹！
　　赫赫吾校名天穹！
 Arilang   talk 13:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Original "college song":
Oh ! Come and join our hearty song
As proudly here we stand
For Tsing-Hua College 
Let’s sing the best in all the land 
We will spread our fame and win a name 
And put our foes to shame 
If you don’t agree, come on and see 
And you will say the same, the same, the same
And you will say the same 
Oh ! Tsing-Hua ! Fair Tsing-Hua ! 
Our college bright
May we be loyal to the purple and white 
Oh ! Tsing-Hua ! Fair Tsing-Hua !
Our college true 
We are loyal 
We are faithful                
We will stand for you
http://ridge.lib.nthu.edu.tw/wiki/index.php?title=%E6%B8%85%E8%8F%AF%E8%8B%B1%E6%96%87%E6%A0%A1%E6%AD%8C Tsing-Hua College Song
 Arilang   talk 14:08, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: School anthem

message: I simplified Tsinghua University#Schools and departments. I think that the collapsible formatting saves a bit of space. At the same time, we lose the departments-at-a-glance benefit, and are forced to waste time clicking "show" several times. It just isn't worth it. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:52, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsible formatting for Schools and departments section 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Since the "Present" section is supposed to talk about the present situation, some information may need be updated to be more accurate. For example, the Schwarzman Scholars program of Tsinghua University has already started now.--Katetwowiki (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some information in the "Present" section may need updates 

message: The section "Academic" has given the most recent information about the number of schools and departments at Tsinghua University. Therefore, the data of 2003 in the "Present" section may be not useful here and can be removed.--Katetwowiki (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible unneeded old information 

message: I have added a section which introduces the Department of Precision Instrument.
--Katetwowiki (talk) 18:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit: add a section for the Department of Precision Instrument 

message: https://web.archive.org/web/19990116222146/http://www.cernet.edu.cn/tsinghua/index.html states that the homepage used to be there but it moved to tsinghua.edu.cn . Unfortunately no previous copies of the homepage were archived.
WhisperToMe (talk) 20:06, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest URL for Tsinghua University official website 

message: Large sections of this article are quite obviously written by nonnative English speakers. Wuapinmon (talk) 17:09, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor English 

message: These international rankings are highly subjective at best, but what is most lacking in their analysis, especially in relation to institutions in countries like China, Russia - and even parts of the USA - is an emphasis on the environmental medium in which students and teachers study, teach and flourish (or not). Without an open intellectual climate with a diversified and pluralistic collection of ideas and people how can a truly advanced academic culture be nurtured. China's systemic falsification is only worsening. Authenticity is essential for excellence. 2407:7000:8402:B200:2902:BD67:E7AA:F6DA (talk) 23:19, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really know Chinese education? Even if there are some problems, it is not a matter of scientific research achievements. Do you mean that those achievements that have been widely recognized by international academia are fake? The fake news you have read was really harmful to you. 梦随飞絮 (talk) 16:24, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intellectual & psychological environment of learning and study 

message: Dhf 186.224.72.120 (talk) 22:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  MATHEUS SILVA 

message: Is the university's name Tsinghua/Qinghua supposed to mean something in Chinese?  I gather it is not a place or person's name. If someone has the answer, it might be worth putting in the article. Hcunn (talk) 18:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of university's name?