Talk:Lordi/Archive 1

message: Didn't This Is Spinal Tap put an end to this sort of music? 69.72.4.58 15:05, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Scientology has spent decades.Geni 21:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't mind me saying it Geni, I don't think that is a very constructive statement. Having thought about this, I tend to agree with Beauty of the Beast. Honestly, why does it matter that we call the band members by their real names or nicknames? Does it really make the article better? Does it make Wikipedia better in general? Not much in my opinion. It's a piece of information that is not that useful for fans, general public, and certainly not for the band. I think we should respect their choice, as it doesn't hurt anyone. --IronChris 23:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Enary has performed under her real name outside of lordi. Lordi's real name surfaces in quite a number of the old reviews. The others are a pain the verify. Not includeing the names would make wikipedia a less complete source of information. It is unlikely to hurt anyone if we don't include the information that a Mr J. Johnstone was killed at Jordanhill railway station.Geni 23:38, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Iron Chris; Joseph Stalin didn't want to be known as Ioseb Jugashvili (his real name) so he took up a number of "artist" names. Should we also go and remove his real name from Joseph Stalin? I mean, sure, it wouldn't make Wikipedia much worse if his real name wasn't there, but it's nice to have complete articles with all the information we can find in them. --HJV 23:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I don't think a comparison between Joseph Stalin and a heavy metal band is appropriate, but I get your point. I just think that respecting the freedom of the band is also important. But my feelings on the subject aren't very strong so I'll go with the flow. As long as photos of the members unmasked aren't included. That would be a much greater offence imho. --IronChris 17:35, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: considering how difficult it is to get wikipedians to take photos at the best of times I think it is safe to say that that is not going to happen.Geni 17:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: If you follow Beauty Of The Beast's logic, By saying their names should not be in the article, neither should Pro Wrestlers. No difference whatsoever. It's just another psuedonym. Duke toaster 11:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good Job Duke. I was researching and you were fixing it. Can anyone get the table of contents on the top of the page--MadDogCrog 12:25, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Top

message: Project2501a, it's ok if you remove my edit, I just wanted to make sure that it was clear for someone reading this article who doesn't already know the band (and maybe heavy metal in general) that they aren't satanists. If you think it's clear like that, alright then. But I don't see what was wrong the addition "which they are not" (alternatively it could be put in parentheses, to avoid disrupting the sentence, if that's what worries you), without the mention of "devil is a loser". Take care, IronChris  |  (talk) 15:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sort of on topic, I think it's very ignorant of Mrs Kostantinidou to actually say Lordi is a satanist group. Especially with a song like "devil is a loser" which wouldn't count as satanism and probably is the opposite. Jackpot Den 09:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lordi and satanism 

message: this article in finish gives some in on how europvision is affecting their sales.Geni 10:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales stats

message: Should put in the details of Eurovsion 51th 2006 victory by Lordi.
: YES! YES! YES! We did it! Dr.Poison 22:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This just in - a flying pig caused a collision threat at the Helsinki-Vantaa International Airport. It's funny how articles of news events gather this kind of informal commentary (though when 7/7 happened, I was the first one posting "Oh ****"). --Kizor 22:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I stopped watching the Eurovision Song Contest since it had become boring as heck. When I heard that Lordi was Finland's representative, a group I had never even heard of, I knew that something special was in the making. And now, look at that, they go and win the thing! I'm not a great fan of heavy metal, all that clanking and banging and guys trying to out-Ozzy Ozzy Osbourne, but I watched these guys perform in Athens, and I had to smile. Rock on, dudes! :) -- Jalabi99 18:36, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eurovision

message: Is it worth mentioning that the song contest voting system has changed a substantial amount during its history, and weren't there also more voting countries this year?
:I can't really say, but if it is, I advise waiting for a few days. :) Finns have a national inferiority complex, and are bouncing off the walls right now. --Kizor 23:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Weeellll....you have to realise that, when it comes to Eurovision, that comment might well be applied because they have walked home with THREE 'Nul Points' before, and now they have won, they will be bouncing off the ceiling, let alone the walls. Well done Finland. Lady BlahDeBlah 23:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I am from Finland, M3TALL1CA2000, and in all honesty, I have to say that that kind of comment is fairly accurate and not particularly unfair. It doesn't apply to everyone, obviously, but when it comes to Eurovision, a lot of people take this win very, very seriously for reasons that have far more to do with national self-esteem than anything else. Trust me, for many this is a very big deal. (Yes, it's also very sad -- I mean, Christ, it's the Eurovision, of all things. It's like winning the third-graders' spelling bee when you're an adult...) -- Captain Disdain 02:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like that spelling bee comment :) I have to say it is great though, this is the first time I've ever taken the competition seriously, and the first time voting, finally an act whose only attribute isn't pretty boys or half naked girls, and a deserving winner. Oh and I voted Finland, not that I needed to :) On a side note, I have to be glad our (Britian) entry crashed and burned, what a pathetic attempt. Anyway congratulations Finland, I'm only sad I'm not there, my friends were all calling me going slightly insane, sonded like one hell of a party. --Hellahulla 09:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest points claim 

message: The guy looks very similar to a Klingon. The Wookieepedian 04:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merely like a dremora. 62.251.111.252 19:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resemblance 

message: This lady/gentleman decided to remove the real names. Will re-add. Duke toaster 11:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please respect their choice not to reveal real names. Does it make article any better? I think no! Only Mr. Lordi and Kita used (accidentally?) their realnames in finnish Rytmi magazine interview. (accidentally?). --85.76.181.56 20:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the real names only to protect their privacy. They have been harrassed because of their music and revealing their names makes it kind of easier. If someone chooses to re-add them I promise not to "vandalise" them again. I hope that it won't happen. Peace 80.186.62.184 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lordi's real name also appears in the "Monster band has Finland fretting over face it shows." International Herald Tribune article from the references section. It's hard to put the cat back in the bag... JHunterJ 13:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of this "we have to protect their privacy" stuff is guff, in this case. These guys are performers, and public personas. Sure, they wear masks and all that, but knowing their real names won't cause any harm except to their "monster man" reputations. :) After all, we all knew the real names of the members of KISS for years before they finally stopped wearing their facepaint makeup, right? And did that do them any harm, I think not! -- Jalabi99 18:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 80.186.62.184

message: The link to http://users.tkk.fi/~jkaurama/sony_offers_lordi_mp3s_from_illegal_source.txt which i added was removed based on the argument that it was somehow illegal. Please note that the guide tells that free mp3 files are made available on Lordi's official website which made downloading of the files anything but illegal, as they are used, as the guide tells, in a multimedia presentation on the site. A user viewing that site was using the files anyway. What the guide does is that it in a childish way tries to be ironic about the way that those maintaining the site (representants for the copyright holders) obviously downloaded the files from "illegal" file sharing networks to make them available in the first place. That has however no relevance for the lagality of these files. Please do not remove links you do not understand. However, none of this is of any greater relavance any more, since the links to those mp3 files decribed in the linked page are now broken, someone might have realized that they were unintentionally giving away their music.apecat 14:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's all well and good, but the descritpion of the link you provided "Sony Offers Lordi mp3s From Illegal Source" appeared to anyone seeing it (myself included) a clear indication of the copyright status of those files. We could get into an argument about the legality of extracting a component of an online presentation, and retaining that component on your own machine when you do not hole the rights to either the presentation or the component of it. But thats not the point. The link purports to show how the Lordi website contains illegal mp3s (yes, a rather circumstance, I know), and your description of the link is as a "Guide on how to get free mp3 versions of most of the band's singles" would appear to the average person to be an endorsement of downloading these mp3 files. Wikipedia Copyright Policy states that "If it is [violating someone else's copyright], please do not link to the page". I think Tartan and I were both justified in removing the link. Nick Moss 01:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Illegal" mp3-link removed 

message: According to the article:
:"They are mostly known for their unusual "garrulo" monster costumes and lyrical themes."
I can't find the word "garrulo" used in English. In Italian, it appears to be name of a small bird. Searches for "garrullo", "garullo", and "garulo" also fail to find anything monster-related. Therefore, I'm removing this term from the article until someone can provide a cite for this usage. -- Karada 09:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Garrulo"? 

message: That picture is obsolete, it shows former band members and fails to show current band members. Does someone have a picture showing all of, and only, Mr. Lordi, Amen, Kita, Ox, and Awa? JIP | Talk 19:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone in Helsinki on Friday ought to be able to snap some free pictures.  Unfortunately I won't be around, otherwise I'd definitely take some myself.  —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 07:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: "Bringing back the balls to rock" is not official music video but a live performance from Finnish Eurovision. Should be removed. Lossi 19:34, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

message: Does anyone know "Ox"'s real name? After doing a little bit of googling, I can't find it, but if anyone can enlighten us it would be great. Don't worry, I've got my anti-fanboy, blast furnace tested flamesuit on if that becomes necessary when someone complains re unmasking. Duke toaster 20:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. In any case there is no way you could find it anywhere that got past WP:V.Geni 20:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh no, what are we gonna do!? Maybe you could just ask them... :) 80.186.62.184 21:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ox

message: Are they really a Satan band? I kind of doubt it looking at the lyrics of Hard Rock Hallelujah, but I was just curious. --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?, on WHEELS?!) 16:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. --Harriv 17:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satan Band? 

message: This week's 7 päivää (a paparazzi magazine) prominently showed a picture that they claim to be Mr. Lordi, a.k.a. Tomi Putaansuu, without a mask. I didn't read the article, but it was hard to avoid getting a good look at the picture on the cover. The man is certainly very handsome, but I am deeply ashamed of the Finnish press, if they are so eager of sensationalism that they have to ignore Lordi's wishes and insult the band this way. If Lordi decides to sue the magazine, I'll be backing the band up all the way. JIP | Talk 17:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The image was already published in the German Bild-Zeitung. It was first published in Helsingin Sanomat newspaper in the late 1990s when Putaansuu exhibited his Kiss tattoos. But is still doesn't make their action acceptable, especially as they will make a lot of money from it.--JyriL talk 18:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not our problem. Image unlikely to count as fair use an not particuarly relivant to the article.Geni 18:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed the Costumes chapter a few days ago so it mentions the "incident". Don't think it's worth discussing further, unless the address collected in Finland happens to somehow affect the magazine (even then, it's not strictly Lordi-related) Pasi 18:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't the picture they published from like 1999? He looks pretty young in it - now he'd be around 7 years older than in the pic... --HJV 20:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Lordi unmasked! 

message: The link to that German sewer tabloid that dared make a real picture of Mr. Lordi and breach his privacy no longer works. "Dieses Bild ist nicht mer verfügbar" Lordi 1 - 0 Geeks and Whorenalists. Maybe it's time now by Wikipedia policy to remove that link. -- 81.241.181.3 22:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Lordi Unmasked Picture