Talk:Improved cookstove

message: ===Hard data?===
Big claims are made on some sites, e.g.:
:"Wood-conserving stove construction has proved highly popular among participants, for example.  Reducing the average amount of wood required for cooking by 50%, each stove saves ten trees per year from being cut for firewood.  Additionally, the stoves' chimneys divert damaging smoke away from the women and children who would otherwise suffer lung and eye damage from an open fire in the home.  Stove construction, at about US$25 per unit, presents a feasible opportunity for participants to conserve resources and reap the benefits. " - http://www.sustainableharvest.org/country_programs.cfm, re Latin American programs
But Rethinking the Latin American Cookstove is more critical. Most sites are more enthusiastic than critical, so it would be good to have some hard data as to how well they really work. (Enthusiasm's great, but it's not enough on its own.) --Singkong2005 01:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems some work is being done on testing and improving stoves: see this blog post on the Aprovecho Biomass Stove Camp 2006 --Singkong2005 20 September 2006
=== Proposing that Cook stove be merged into this article ===
Cook stove and Smokeless and wood conserving stoves are mostly about the same subject, so I've proposed a merge. A couple of issues have to be resolved though: 
#The way Cook stove starts off, it seems to be about any kind of biomass-fueled stove, both the improved types and the inefficient, smoky ones. And the definition of cookstove in Webster is "a stove for cooking," which is far more general. Perhaps material on the traditional stoves (the simple, smokey, unimproved ones) should be placed at Biomass cook stove or Traditional stove?
#What is the best name? When I created Smokeless and wood conserving stoves I was trying to cover the two related terms I had encountered (smokeless stoves and wood conserving stoves) which described the same or similar technologies.  --Singkong2005 talk 03:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would hold with the name “Cook stove” as it is the more common name used in development work. Someone looking in Wikipedia for information concerning cook stoves, improved or simple would most likely use this term. Also I would not split the traditional cook stoves from the improved cook stoves, I would keep the two together in the same article; it is hard to discus improved cook stoves without talking about traditional ones and how the two differ. Also a lot of proponents of improved cook stoves use a fair amount of hyperbole when discusing their favorite stove. Keeping the two together keeps the playing field level. Brimba 20:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Posted originally at [[Talk:Smokeless and wood conserving stoves]] 

message: Cook stove and Smokeless and wood conserving stoves are mostly about the same subject, so I've proposed a merge. A couple of issues have to be resolved though: 
#The way Cook stove starts off, it seems to be about any kind of biomass-fueled stove, both the improved types and the inefficient, smoky ones. And the definition of cookstove in Webster is "a stove for cooking," which is far more general. Perhaps material on the traditional stoves (the simple, smokey, unimproved ones) should be placed at Biomass cook stove or Traditional stove?
#What is the best name? When I created Smokeless and wood conserving stoves I was trying to cover the two related terms I had encountered (smokeless stoves and wood conserving stoves) which described the same or similar technologies.  --Singkong2005 talk 03:56, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would hold with the name “Cook stove” as it is the more common name used in development work. Someone looking in Wikipedia for information concerning cook stoves, improved or simple would most likely use this term. Also I would not split the traditional cook stoves from the improved cook stoves, I would keep the two together in the same article; it is hard to discus improved cook stoves without talking about traditional ones and how the two differ. Also a lot of proponents of improved cook stoves use a fair amount of hyperbole when discusing their favorite stove. Keeping the two together keeps the playing field level. Brimba 20:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing that [[Cook stove]] be merged into this article 

message: I beleive the following to be misleading:
The first way to reduce the amount of fuel a family consumes is simply to use a cooking lid while cooking, which by itself reduces fuel consumption by 40%. This simple change will normally save more fuel by itself than switching to an improved stove.
Reduces fuel consumption by 40% during which phase of cooking?  Pool boiling? Simmering?  Frying?  Simply stating that a lid reduces fuel consumption by 40% is not strictly true in all cases.  It also does not take into account actual use of the stove, for example what type of food is being cooked, the necessary temperature for cooking the food, cooking length, etc.  These factors have a large impact on the fuel rate, and are not necessarily altered significantly by a pot lid.
--Penn 129.186.195.232 02:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading/ambiguous info about fuel consumption 

message: The merger discussion can be found at the Cooker talk page - Jeremy (Jerem43 21:57, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Discussion

message: I think this is an admirable article that ought to be under some other title (like High-efficiency cookstoves) since it mostly seems to be about conserving energy resources in underdeveloped nations rather the actual definition, my dictionary defines cook stove "as  a stove for cooking". Awotter (talk) 02:51, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Biomass Cook Stoves" :) Brimba (talk) 04:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless that's a proper name, and I don't believe it is, it should not be all-uppercase. Also, please double-check to make sure that you don't leave any double redirects hanging around when you move pages. Ewlyahoocom (talk) 10:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  definition 

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message: There is some brainstorming at  Talk:Clean cooking that editors of this page might be interested in. Please join in to share your ideas. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 16:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at [[Talk:Clean cooking]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:20, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Cook stove →  – This article currently covers 1) The problems associated with traditional cookstoves and open fires, 2) A type of cooking technology that is widely referred to as an "improved cookstove", 3) Briefer coverage of some other types of cooking technologies such as solar cookers, and 4) Issues with implementing cleaner cooking solutions. We now have an article called Energy poverty and cooking that also covers #1, #3, and #4, and puts all types of solutions into the context of clean cooking strategies. After the move, I would like to transfer some content to the Energy poverty and cooking article so that the Improved cookstove article focuses only on improved cookstoves, their health effects, and their implementation issues. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 21:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move and proposed rescoping 15 May 2021 

message: Assuming there is consensus for renaming, I've drafted a new lead section to replace the current one. Feel free to edit. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 05:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed lead for new "Improved cook stove" article

message: The article's title is cookstove but in the article I often see it as two words: cook stove. Let's make a decision one way or another and then be consistent. EMsmile (talk) 02:18, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: pinging you, just in case you overlooked my question here (as you normally reply so quickly). :-) EMsmile (talk) 14:33, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw it but have been too busy to think about it. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need to decide: cookstove or cook stove? 

message: I propose that section Improved cookstove#Types be split into a separate page called List of improved biomass cookstoves and the rest of the page be merged into Energy poverty and cooking. Please discuss at Talk:Energy poverty and cooking. Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 22:43, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting and merging proposal 

message: The section on "Insulating ceramic rocket stoves" needs some work to make it more encyclopedic and to improve the way it uses references and cites text from other publications. I currently don't have the time to do it myself but I just wanted to flag it up. EMsmile (talk) 03:15, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The section on "Insulating ceramic rocket stoves" needs work