Talk:Genesis 1:1

message: Do we need to have a 'Creationism' topic menu on this article. Its presence here hardly seems NPOV - and I for one rather resent it.
: I agree, this is a bible verse, not an article about creationism. Klonimus 02:51, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  About more than creationism 

message: The literal traslation of ברא is not "filled", it is more like "create" or "cause to exist". It's a verb found almost solely in connection with God as the act of bringing things into existance. As it is rare to see it in other contexts it is hard to understand it's meaning beyond "whatever it is God does that makes things exist". 
God is often called בורא עולם (Bore Olam) in Hebrew, Olam meaning "the world", and the whole title meaning "the creator of the World".  
In any case, it's clear that ברא does not mean "to fill".DuckeJ 14:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word-by-word literal equivalent 

message: I made some substantial edits - namely I deleted the large table giving many bible-translations of the first phrase of Gen.1 - so I'll explain why. First, this is just the first few words - it seems very disproportionate to give so much attention to these words and ignore the rest of Genesis 1. Second, the list of possible translations is potentially infinite - as it is, two of the translations in the table differed only by the addition of a comma. Far better would be to discuss what biblical scholars have said, and why the various translations differ.PiCo (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some edits 

message: Reasons for redirect:
# This page is already covered at Genesis creation narrative#The beginning
# This page does not give proper references being mostly WP:OR in nature.
# The POV has wp:weight that is already covered at: Bereishit (parsha)
Thanks,   — Jasonasosa 23:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article has potential. The different translations offered are very significant (i.e. much has been written about them) and an explanation fits better here than at Genesis creation narrative. So why redirect? Why not put a main tag and summary at Genesis creation narrative? StAnselm (talk) 07:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: This article was proposed for deletion in 2005 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genesis 1:1. Please reconsider this article for deletion based on my comments above under redirect. Thanks,   — Jasonasosa 07:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I accept the 2012 consensus to keep the page, and will find a way to improve it. Thanks,   — Jasonasosa 21:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete 

message: Re: User:Lquilter's comment on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Genesis 1:1 (2nd nomination)
:"Keep and trim the parent article - If the content is entirely redundant, then I would probably propose editing down the main Genesis article and including a "see ..." reference for the Genesis 1:1. In its English-language version, this is one of the most familiar passages in the entire Christian Bible, and has, as User:Nyttend observes, been the subject of massive amounts of scholarly scrutiny dedicated to this passage alone. --Lquilter (talk) 14:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement 

message: The lead says:
Genesis 1:1 reads: In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth. The Hebrew transliteration reads: Bereishit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz.
This is confused. The Hebrew is the original - in other words, Genesis 1:1 does NOT read "In the beginning, GOD created the heavens and the earth", it reads "Bereishit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz", and the English is a translation of that. PiCo (talk) 12:13, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed!   — Jasonasosa 15:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note about transliteration... the text would read something like: In the beginning | he creates | God | (as) the heavens and (as) the earth.   — Jasonasosa 16:06, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Bereishit bara Elohim et hashamayim ve'et ha'aretz" is not, in fact, Hebrew, but transliterated Hebrew. The lede was correct as it stood. -- 202.124.72.63 (talk) 02:08, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What's there now is correct - I don't know if what you saw is what I see. I have a problem with this confident assertion that the translation is "In the beginning God created...." - the translation is notoriously difficult, and most authorities today opt for the alternative. What's needed is a very brief explanation of the difficulty. PiCo (talk) 06:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The lede should probably identify the particular English translation used (what we have is, I think, the Jewish Bible, but it's identical to the KJV). After Masoretic text, there should be a section on translation issues. -- 202.124.88.253 (talk) 02:14, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: This focusses exclusively on the Jewish, or rather Rabbinical, interpretation. What about intepretation by other religions? Yes, I'm well aware that it was originally written in Hebrew (although the vowels and translation are possibly partly lost, and certain Jewish interpreters have their own agenda). However, it is also a sacred scripture to Christians, Karaites, Samaritans, Bahais etc, and was perhaps known to the founders of Islam.--MacRùsgail (talk) 18:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Interpretations section has been deleted, and the article now concentrates on grammar and original meaning.PiCo (talk) 07:55, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV: What about other religions? 

message: The Priestly authors of Genesis 1, writing around 500-400 BCE, had been concerned not with the origins of matter (the material which God formed into the habitable cosmos), but with the fixing of destinies.
This assumes that Genesis 1 was written by the Priestly authors (JEPD hypothesis). There is also the traditional view that Genesis was written by Moses.
Justinrleung (talk) 04:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased tone 

message: בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ - Seven words/28 letters. This is important to those who practice Kabbalah. - The Messenger 50.153.105.13 (talk) 10:46, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  בראשית ברא אלהים את השמים ואת הארץ - Seven words/28 letters 

message: 'Genesis 1:1-2 can be translated into English in at least three ways: [...] By the 2nd century CE the first translation had become the dominant one' -- What does this mean? The English language wasn't around in the 2nd century CE.... --jftsang 11:49, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Your second sentence isn't in the article, and you've taken sections from two distinct paragraphs and run them together.PiCo (talk) 00:26, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  English translation 

message: I tweaked the following... Unvocalized:  (7 words and 28 letters)
 2601:589:4705:C7C0:99F8:B4AA:5E87:8EA6 (talk) 10:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the "7 words and 28 letters" to the introductory sentence because I could not fix the bad formatting. I also removed the commas from the vocalized text. They are not in standard editions that I consulted and appear to be part of someones interpretation.--agr (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genesis 1:1 in its original Hebrew is 7 words and 28 letters 

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