Talk:Spanish pronouns

message: Would it be possilbe to have a different page for Ladino pronouns?  Though it is exhaustive, and Ladino certainly has its roots in Spain, It is difficult enough to try to figure out which pronouns apply to latin america and which ones apply to spain without also having to figure out which ones belong to Ladino.  For the sake of learners of spanish as a second language I would be in favor of creating a different page for Ladino pronouns so as not to confuse the already easily confused english speakers trying to learn how to use spanish pronouns.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.69.175 (talk) 01:47, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Ladino should not be in this article. deisenbe (talk) 21:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Ladino

message: I updated the "cuyo" section to note that "cúyo" is used in questions, but noted that in the Americas "de quien" is preferred over "cúyo".  Cheers, --seain 11:43 04 Sep 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcseain (talk • contribs)  
I gave a short explanation for the function of "cuyo."  Please do change the information presented should it be found inaccurate.   Thanks. -Yazeed
::Is cuyo really a pronoun? RAE calls it "Adjetivo relativo posesivo". --Error (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's technically not a pronoun, because it precedes a noun; however it's very difficult to find an alternative category for it to be filed in an article (relative determiner ???). --Jotamar (talk) 00:58, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is that relative pronouns are the closest family of cuyo, so it makes sense to file it with them. --Jotamar (talk) 01:00, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Cuyo''

message: "Se" is missing from the pronoun chart in the singular and plural third persons for inderect objects(without prepositions.)   "Se" is used to replace le and les when there is a direct object pronoun and is used as a reflexive pronoun to refer to either direct or inderect objects of reflexive and recipricol verbs.  For example:  "Ellos se lavan los manos."-"They wash  "Los manos" is the direct object and "se" stands for the indirect object, "(to/for)themselves."  This kind of construction doesn't actually make much sense in English and the indirect object would not be used, but "se" is an indirect object for Spanish nonetheless.  A better example in which the indirect object is reflexive that can be related to English is "Se da los dulces."-"He gives himself the candy.", or "Me doy los dulces."-"I give candy to myself."  (These are just random examples.)
70.89.191.233 04:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete pronoun chart 

message: i have friend from spain.
and i want know what the answer if he ask me in spain "lo se"
Thank you for explain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.231.242.130 (talk) 11:33, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  lo se 

message: I have seen on another page on wikipedia that Spanish uses Vusted, Vusia, and Vuecencia, along with usted, tu, and vos. Can anyone confirm this, and explain where in fact they do use these pronouns?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.242.125 (talk) 22:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Usía and vuecencia are obsolete now. I haven't heard the others. Jotamar (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vusted, Vusia, Vuecencia 

message: hi all
There is a problem with describing the pronouns table as containing Ladino pronouns, it hardly contains any, for example: it lacks the forms con tí, con mí which are special in a sense because they prove that the origin of conmigo_tigo is from reanlyning latin irregular ´mecum, tecum´  as the pronoun without the preposition. another thing is the absence of the number declination of ´se´ which in plural is ´sen´ .the I.pl forms are mozotros,mozotras II.pl are vozotros_as, (this last thing can be regarded as phonology but it isn´t exactly so because such changed didn´t occur in the rest of the phonologic system)
Someone already made a comment about that three years ago, but nothing happened, so I intend to change it if there won´t be any objections.
I need advice how to do it because the table is growing too big on one hand , but i´m not sure it´s better with more special tables for Ladino  ( there is a lot to add, there is also a different demonstrative for example dito/ditash).  any guidance would be appreciated.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.183.199.228 (talk) 22:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete pronoun chart - Ladino 

message: Hello all,
In the table of personal pronouns, I noticed that the forms "{v}ustede/s" are placed in the 3rd person line. But, those forms are 2nd person.
Following the rules of Wikipedia, I did not want to correct anything for myself without general consensus. 
Respectfully,
Roman  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RomanCaceres (talk • contribs) 14:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The forms are semantically 2nd person but for all grammar points they work as 3rd person. Jotamar (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Spanish "{v}ustede/s" forms are a 2nd person, not 3rd person. 

message: Hello:
From what I understand, "vosotros" was also used for the singular, second-person, not just the plural as it is now used, in Old Spanish (e.g. Vosotros Juan tenéis leche?) The article does not describe this, which is slightly misleading. It would need a reference, however. If anyone can verify this through a book of sorts (perhaps Spanish scholars out there), it might help to improve the article on pronouns. 
Happy writing. :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.45.98 (talk) 00:48, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I have never heard about vosotros as singular, for any country and for any point in History. Jotamar (talk) 15:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, what you are speaking about is the formal vos. It's no longer used, but I'll edit the page to mention it. Jotamar (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vosotros 

message: This article overemphasizes usage of small groups, to, I assume, the confusion of many.  Vos is used by what, 10%? And a geographically isolated 10% at that. Ladino is a fraction of 1%. Yet the article makes it sound like you don't know Spanish until you know them all. Treat them, sure, but keep them separate. deisenbe (talk) 12:15, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article underemphasizes "standard Spanish" (or "majority Spanish") 

message: I'm very sorry about the very long delay (I'd really rather not get into it right now), but I looked around online, and my other two questions have been more or less resolved.  According to this page, which contains a passage from the Diccionario Panhispánico de Dudas, the general rule with clitic doubling is that it's optional with non-pronominal indirect objects when they come after the verb, but there are exceptions (see page for details).  As for the other two things, I found a very good resource for resolving minor grammatical issues in other languages: linguee.com, which you can use to look for things that may or may not be right and see what comes up.  Through that, I found that dative clitic doubling is indeed always optional in the passive (search something like Fue dado a él and you'll see what I mean) and that the bare form cual is what's used as the relative adjective (en cual caso, a cual tiempo, etc.). If no one has issues with any of that, I'll add it to the article, but since I'm going to include a passage on modifying clitic pronouns, I have one final question for all of you about Spanish pronouns: can clitic pronouns be modified by attributive adjectives? Thus, is Te vi a un ti muy feliz the right way to say "I saw a very happy you"? Esszet (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A un ti or a un tú is not natural in Spanish at all. --Jotamar (talk) 18:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: So then would it just be A ti muy feliz? Esszet (talk) 21:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That, or rather convoluted alternatives, such as una versión muy feliz de ti. --Jotamar (talk) 18:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks, I'll add it all to the article in the next day or two. Esszet (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolved, generally 

message: If Me le arreglaron la moto generally means Le arreglaron la moto para mí, can it also mean Me arreglaron la moto para él? Esszet (talk) 18:58, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. No way to tell which of the datives is ethical. --Jotamar (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks. Esszet (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

text: By the way, I'm happy to fix other things like that if there are any left. Esszet (talk) 22:06, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Combinations 

message: Why does an article on Spanish pronouns have a section on the adverbs "como", "cuando", and "donde"? Kotabatubara (talk) 19:37, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: They're traditionally seen as relative adjectives/pronouns. They're certainly not adverbs. --Jotamar (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

text: I wonder what is it for English, for instance, in a sentence such as this is the town where I live, what's the role of where? --Jotamar (talk) 16:31, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: "Como", "cuando", "donde"—pronouns?