Talk:Metro systems by annual passenger rides

message: I am not exactly sure what the differences between metro systems, commuter rail, light rail etc. are, but i think the rail networks in Australian cities should be included in the list. I found them on the page commuter rail in Australia. Feel free to remove them if they are not appropriate for this list. Nuiop728 (talk) 10:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove the Australian cities from the list. Feel free to read rapid transit for some more info, but basically a metro is a very frequent rail service that operates independently of other forms of transport (car, etc), usually by being underground or elevated. As I understand, all Australian cities have level crossings. Also, metros usually do not operate on a specific timetable but rather a frequency, such as trains every 10 minutes. This is also not the case in Australia. It is a real shame that Australia is so far behind dozens of other countries throughout the world. JamesA  >talk 03:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's reasonable to exclude a city like Melbourne, with ~220 million annual users, few remaining level crossings and trains that are usually less than 15 minutes apart. The primary difference is not the type of rail system, but geography. Most Australian cities are quite sprawling and were planned with separate avenues for trains, even if lines weren't installed, so there wasn't a need to have raised or subterranean tracks. --Senor Freebie (talk) 01:13, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Hi, please discuss Australian systems on List of metro systems talk (and search first that talk and its archive, there are several threads about Australia), not here, as inclusion to that list is based on list of metro systems inclusion. --Jklamo (talk) 07:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian metro systems 

message: LincolnHo has been very persistent in adding the Edmonton LRT to the list. The Edmonton LRT is not a metro system, it has lots of grade crossings and runs down medians of arterial roads. Therefore it shall be removed, if anyone has any issues with this and would like it to be added back please write it here. Terramorphous (talk • contribs) 04:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Edmonton LRT

message: From the San Francisco Muni Metro Wikipedia page:
"Muni Metro is a light rail system serving San Francisco, California, operated by the San Francisco Municipal Railway (Muni), a division of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency (SFMTA). Serving 156,900 passengers a day, Muni Metro is the second busiest light rail system in the United States.[1]"
If Muni Metro is second busiest light rail system in US, why does it not appear on this list of Metro systems by annual ridership?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.225.82 (talk) 07:11, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: FTR, Muni Metro is considered a Light rail system - it is, instead, included in all of the Light rail, and Light rail ridership, lists... --IJBall (talk) 04:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  SF Muni Metro missing?? 

message: I am proposing a re-formatting of the list material into a table. The current form is long and not very attractive. I'm thinking about changing it to something similar to:
{|  class="wikitable sortable" border="0" align="left" style="border:1px solid #999; background-color:#FFFFFF"	                                               	                      	
Rank	System                                         	Annual Passenger Rides	Figures as of
1   	Tokyo Subway (Tokyo Metro and Toei Subway only)	3.174 billion         	2008各駅乗降人員一覧会社概要
2   	Moscow Metro                                   	2.392 billion         	2009Moscow Metro official site
3   	Seoul Subway (Seoul Metro and SMRT)            	2.047 billion         	2008
4   	New York City Subway                           	1.624 billion         	2008"2008 subway ridership at a glance" New York City Transit
5   	Mexico City Metro                              	1.467 billion         	2008http://www.metro.df.gob.mx/operacion/afluencia.html
6   	Beijing Subway                                 	1.457 billion         	2009(Chinese)
7   	Paris Métro                                    	1.388 billion         	2007RATP
8   	Hong Kong MTR                                  	1.323 billion         	2009MTR Summation of Monthly Total from Jan 2009 to Dec 2009
(I know some of the numbers aren't updated; this is just a version I was working on a few weeks back.)
Thoughts? Suggestions? -Multivariable (talk) 01:51, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I would Strongly Support this change/reformat - the table would look much better if done as proposed above... --IJBall (talk) 04:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Suggestion: the Ridership numbers should be standardized in such a way that the sort works correctly. On initial page load the sort is by Ridership descending, but manually selecting a sort and then returning to descending/Ridership results in incorrect behavior where '99' is interpreted as greater than '10 million.'199.172.169.97 (talk) 17:14, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I support that. In particular a ranking that doesn't have an easy way of accessing the actual rank doesn't make much sense (to me anyway). OdinFK (talk) 12:15, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-formatting the list 

message: The list intro says that “this list is using definitions (and systems) from list of metro systems.”
The list has a “Seoul Metropolitan Subway,” and gives its ridership at 2560 million.
A “Seoul Metropolitan Subway” does not exist at list of metro systems.”
List of metro systems counts a metro with a separate operator as a separate metro. For example, it counts separately the Tokyo Metro, the Toei Subway, the Rinkai Line, and the Yamanote Line (which is not a metro of its own, but a single line of in the network of the East Japan Railway Company). It also counts separately the S-Bahns and U-Bahns of large German cities.  All despite the fact that they, somehow, are “owned” by “the government.”
List of metro systems had an entry for “Seoul Metropolitan Subway.” List of metro systems no longer does. This entry not was not in accordance with how List of metro systems approaches the topic. Its data also were compiled with a significant amount of Original Research.
If you are still using definitions (and systems) from list of metro systems, it would stand to reason to do this also for Seoul. If you run into trouble when doing so, please let me know.
 
I thank you for your sometimes difficult work of compiling ridership data from around the world, and especially for supplying each entry with references. I wish, List of metro systems would have a reflist as impressive as yours.
This member of WikiProject Cleanup is ready to help. BsBsBs (talk) 11:03, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: - renamed, as per system name on List of metro systems. --IJBall (talk) 17:09, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seoul 

message: I disagree. Specific lists are necessary in many cases. 116.48.155.127 (talk) 17:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm now ambivalent on the question. But I'll only support a merger, if the Total rapid transit systems statistics by country article is nominated for deletion as part of a "package" deal for the merger... --IJBall (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This list should be merged, the info contained would only add two columns to List of metro systems and would help in comparing physical size and passenger movements. Regarding List of total rapid transit systems statistics by country, I don't know how that could be merged with another article, so suggest it should be another discussion. Liamdavies (talk) 15:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  FTR, I'd oppose a merger if it meant merging all of this data into one table (List of metro systems doesn't really have room for another column, let alone two!). I thought the original proposal was to add this as a separate table/section further down the page at List of metro systems, though perhaps I was mistaken... --IJBall (talk) 15:32, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

text: Greatly support it. The template by Staglit is excellent. I would probably organize the information in the order: name-country-opening year-ridership-stations-system length-last extension. However, this is going to be discussed! :)  I also support deleting List of total rapid transit systems statistics by country.  --Pavlovič (talk) 20:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Final update at: the List of metro systems Talk page – all interested parties please read it, because this article is on its way to being deleted and replaced with a REDIRECT tag in the very, very near future! --IJBall (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Hello. I have been working on a test table for List of Metro Systems that includes ridership statistics. If this change is approved, then this page may be deleted. Any thoughts? feel free to edit my User:Staglit/sandbox Staglit (talk) 22:00, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger, test Table 

message: OK, there is new info to discuss about the potential 'merge' (and the "merged" table at over at Staglit's sandbox page) at the List of metro systems Talk page - please head over there to discuss the potential merge of this page and the List of metro systems... --IJBall (talk) 15:58, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Final update at: the List of metro systems Talk page – all interested parties please read it, because this article is on its way to being deleted and replaced with a REDIRECT tag in the very, very near future! --IJBall (talk) 02:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important Update 

message: The Sao Paulo figures must include CPTM figures. 
It's not just because one of Sao Paulo's metro systems is called "Metro" and the other one isn't, that the other one should be forgotten. CPTM is not a "commuter train" system, it is a metro system transporting over 2 million people a day in 6 lines with headways as low as 4 minutes. 
CPTM operates low-headway urban trains within urban perimeter, and it has FREE TRANSFER to the "Metro" system. 
This official source = http://www.cptm.sp.gov.br/e_contabeis/RelAdministrativo_2012.PDF
says that CPTM transported 764 million passengers in 2012. That's significant. Added to the CMSP (Metro) company figures, Sao Paulo would have 1 billion 652 million annual passengers, sitting between New York and Mexico City. 
So unless anyone opposes, I will be changing Sao Paulo's figures.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mopcwiki (talk • contribs) 02:40, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to make this case over at List of metro systems, not here. The figures here will be reverted, until the system gets added over there. --IJBall (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sao Paulo CPTM is a metro 

message: Now that the ridership data has been integrated in to the listings over at List of metro systems, this page will be converted in to a 'Redirect' page within the next 48 hours. This is the final update on the 'merge to' List of metro systems project. --IJBall (talk) 00:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And, ! The 'merge' project is complete, and this page is now closed out (i.e. turned in to a 'Redirect' page) in favor of integrating the ridership data into the List of metro systems. --IJBall (talk) 19:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Update