Talk:Gospel Oak to Barking line

message: I was wondering whether the map should show stations like Kentish Town and East Ham, which are no longer connected to the line? Do we regard these as relevant to the article? There are separate articles for the Tottenham & Hampstead Junction Railway and Tottenham & Forest Gate Railway which already cover these historic branches. --DanielRigal 12:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that a separate article should cover the closed stations. If you take a look at Disused railway stations (Exeter to Plymouth Line) and Disused railway stations (Bristol to Exeter Line), for example, you'll see the approach that Geof Sheppard is taking with regard to the West of England GWR lines, which seems to be developing nicely. -- EdJogg 23:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The link to the Midland Main Line helps a bit ... except that it does not show Kentish Town. I guess we need a link to Thameslink ... but I can see that going down like a lead balloon. Canterberry 12:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should the map show historic parts of the line? 

message: Please see Talk:Forest Gate railway station#Official interchange for a query about differences between articles. Timrollpickering 09:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forest Gate/Wanstead Park interchange 

message: Currently the diagram shows the option for GOBLIN trains to run on beyond Gospel Oak to the North London Line. This is slightly inaccuarate - the platform arrangement at Gospel Oak is such that the GOBLIN terminates in a bay with no possibility for onward running. The through line doesn't have a platform at Gospel Oak (which will be a major problem if and when the line is better integrated into the wider network).
Is anyone skilled enough to modify the diagram to show this? The North London Line diagram handles this better. Timrollpickering 14:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have modified the diagram to reflect this although I had to do it in a much simpler way than the NLL diagram as I find the diagrams far from easy to manipulate. --DanielRigal 19:49, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks. Timrollpickering 19:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diagram modification 

message: Shouldn't this station be marked on the diagram? According to it's wikipedia page it was located on the old line before it was amalgamated into the GOBLIN. It closed in the Second World War, but so did Junction Road and that is marked on the map.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.195.96 (talk) 02:01, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are going to have some of them then all disused stations should be shown. My view is that the GOBLIN started in 1981 and hence the stations from before that time are not relevant. They are listed on the articles for the two predecessor lines. That said, I don't object too much if we have them listed here, so long as we have them all for consitency. At the moment East Ham is also missing. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Ann's Road

message: Station usage figures show that the line has already seen major growth of passengers since the takeover, although this has led to some crowding issues.
There's no source for this and is there any firm evidence that usage is growing as opposed to the TfL installation of ticket machines and readers that make data collection a heck of a lot easier? Also most of the "station usage" figures floating around are actually "ticket sales allocated to the station" which can be misleading, especially in London with so many travelcards used to say nothing of the mess that are station groups. Timrollpickering (talk) 14:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with your assessment. As a user of the line for several years my experience is that the usage has not risen dramatically. It was crammed to capacity before! Silverlink probably never had a clue how many customers they really had. --DanielRigal (talk) 15:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current usage 

message: Why is the article called "Gospel Oak to Barking Line"? All its antecedents were called 
the place A AND place B railway, for obvious reasons and this should be the Gospel Oak AND Barking line (or Barking and Gospel Oak line). It isn't the Waterloo to City line, is it!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.165.217.125 (talk) 11:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the line / article 

message: Surely shouldn't the article be called Gospel Oak-Barking Line. This avoids the confusion of whether or not it should be 'and' or 'to; also, it seems to work elsewhere (e.g. Hitchin-Cambridge Line). Kevin Steinhardt (talk) 14:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name, again 

message: I have tried to redo the diagram so that the elevated sections are shown. My attempt is at User:DanielRigal/sandbox but it isn't perfect. I had to cheat because there is no symbol for an elevated line crossing an underground one. It may also be sub-optimal in other ways. What does everybody think? Should I put it live or does it need further work? --DanielRigal (talk) 18:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  diagram 

message: The map shows a connection near Gospel Oak to the eastbound NLL. The railway junctions map 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Canonbury%2C_Highgate_Road%2C_Junction_Road%2C_South_Tottenham%2C_Tottenham_%26_Tufnell_Park_RJD_112.jpg
does not have the link. In early days the line to Gospel Oak was specifically barred from connecting to the (westbound?) NLL. Was there a link to the eastbound NLL or could it be due to a misreading of the complexity of links and junctions in the area?
I recently added the connection to the NLL map because it was on the Goblin map but now I have doubts about it.--SilasW (talk) 14:40, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The connection does not exist (and never did) and I have tried to amend the template, but failed, even though I was using the right icon (substituting "STRr+l" in place of "exSTRq". Must be losing my touch. Bhtpbank (talk) 12:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you Bhtpbank. I was trying to rework GO-B. The imaginary link seems to have gone from both templates.--SilasW (talk) 13:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

text: As the person who made that change, I do wish you'd have asked me to confirm the source before making such a categorical (and wrong) statement. Yes, the junctions map doesn't show it; it pre-dates it and was removed by that time! The connection ran along the alignment of the later cutting and the only remnant now is the construction of the bridge over the Midland line (check on google earth). I have uploaded my source map and copy it here. It is absolutely clear that the link was there, and I will re-instate it on the maps. --AlisonW (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The words "Who put you in charge?" spring to mind.  Don't you get all high-handed with me.  Your map shows nothing that can be read, and provides no evidence of the link whatsoever. As for this "I wish someone had spoken to me" attitude, that has no place on Wikipedia, so take it elsewhere. Bhtpbank (talk) 20:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm! (Even double Hmm!) It seems to me that on the old map the N-S line from the eastern part of the Goblin (which is one side of the pronounced triangle of lines) joins the eastward NLL (which there runs N-S) with the junction at the point where they cross) the MML. Flipping the old map and a current one at similar scales suggests strongly that that link to the NLL (none too useful as connecting East to East) surrendered its route to the present link from the Goblin to the MML heading west.--SilasW (talk) 22:48, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Nobody put me "in charge" but, as with many things on WP it is common politeness to discuss an issue first rather than a pre-emptory "The connection does not exist (and never did)" sans evidence. If you cannot see that there is a clear link on that - very early - map showing the line splitting just west of where later was the Highgate Road station with one side continuing to a junction at Gospel Oak and the other dropping south to join the North London Line then you should click through to the higher resolution image. And, as I noted previously, there is still one remnant of the connection on the ground in the triangular shape of the bridge where the junction was situate. --AlisonW (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connection to NLL 

message: The original connection to Gospel Oak Station was permitted by other companies on condition that the line stopped there with no westward connection to the NLL. A 1914 RCH map shows that, as it seems does the "1930's map" at http://www.abandonedstations.org.uk/Goblin.html. When was the connection built? Was it a wartime expedient?--SilasW (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Present connection to NLL 

message: I just took out this stuff because it's been sitting uncited in the article for years:
As a contrast to that, I've greatly expanded the coverage of the interminable history of the proposed electrification. — Scott • talk 13:12, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future of the line 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Gatelines have recently (as at 2017) been introduced at several LO only stations on the line, including Woodgrange Park (at platfrom level) and Leytonstone High Road (at street level). I think they have probably introduced at all stations, but I haven't been to them to verify this. Maybe the entries for individual stations on the line have the answer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.232.34.78 (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gatelines 

message: I have moved these sections from the future section into the history section, since of course they are now – at long last – history. I have also made some cosmetic changes and replaced the blurry picture of a train. StewE17 (talk) 13:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electrification and longer trains 

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