Talk:Yeshivat Chovevei Torah

message: Hello,
You've put a link to Ysoscher Katz in the Yeshivat Chovevei Torah article, but there currently is no article on Rabbi Katz so the link currently doesn't go anywhere. Were you planning to start an article on Ysoscher Katz? Otherwise, the link will be deleted soon. --Shirahadasha 04:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ysoscher Katz

message: This article is going from a stub to a screed. A single paragraph should be cited from the blog that is critical of YCT. The prior interfaith should also be a paragraph not a page.
Feel free to summarize/pair as you feel appropriate. --Shirahadasha 03:55, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV

message: The RCA apparently postponed its decision on whether or not to admit YCT graduates as members, previously scheduled for June, without public comment. If anyone comes across published information with a status update, it would be appreciated. Here's a pro-YCT blog discussing the issue . Don't believe it meets WP:RS so not putting in the article, but perhaps its claims can be verified in a published source. --Shirahadasha 06:08, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RCA status 

message: Hello, removed some unsourced criticism added by User:ClosedOrthodoxy. Added a "Criticism of Orthodox Status" stub section. Editors are welcome to identify major criticisms of YCT's claim to status as an Orthodox institution etc. in this section. Please supply sources. Best, --Shirahadasha 22:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the long post prefaced with the sentence above to Talk:Yeshivat Chovevei Torah\YCT and Open Orthodoxy versus Modern Orthodoxy comment by ClosedOrthodoxy. The comment ends with the statement below. Antonrojo 20:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

text: ClosedOrthodoxy, see WP:CIVIL. I suggest that you not demand that specific content remain in the article since it is a collaborative project without owners. Antonrojo 20:03, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism of YCT

message: Hello. ClosedOrthodoxy, I did a quick internet search and found a source, a quote from an article in Cross-Currents, which makes one of the key claims you've been trying to make -- that YCT's activities with the Catholic Cardinals involved things that were inconsistent with Rav Soloveitchik's limits on appropriate conduct with nonjewish Clergy. The difference is that it's a quote from an article -- someone else's opinion about YCT. The fact that someone else is saying this in a published source makes it suitable material for Wikipedia, while saying the same thing oneself isn't suitable for Wikipedia. It's also specifically about YCT -- it doesn't take general statements by rabbanim and apply them oneself to specific situations that weren't before them, which is also considered original research and not OK. Supplying quotes from articles that are specifically about YCT makes all the difference. We're not trying to prevent you from adding content to the article, we're only asking you to channel what you are trying to add into a format that Wikipedia policies can accept. All you have to do is search the internet or Jewish newspapers and find someone else who is saying what you are trying to say, quote or summarize them, and cite the source. It's that simple. Criticisms are out there, it was fairly easy for me to find one, and if you have additional criticisms to make you can probably find someone out there who's already made it. This really is about Wikipedia policies, not about bias. --Shirahadasha 06:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-Currents article

message: Please identify specific Yated or other articles identifying criticism by specific Haredi leaders. The paragraph on Haredi criticism as it stands isn't verifiable. Also, removed general statement that regarding some Biblical stories nonliterally is "anathema" to "Orthodox" Judaism. Wikipedia can't report such a general statement as absolute fact, it can't say for example that the Rambam (who in Guide for the Perplexed also said that some Biblical stories aren't to be taken literally) isn't Orthodox. Some people believe this and some don't, and per WP:NPOV Wikipedia can only describe what specific individuals say. Best --Shirahadasha 04:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This section in it's current form should be verifiable. Since criticism and opinions are attributed, though lacking cites, this should be NPOV. The other POV issue I noted was that some criticism did not refer to YCT specifically and now all the criticism does. As such, I plan to remove the NPOV tag. Antonrojo 17:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. A link to an on-line posting of the Yated article "Yeshivat Chovevei Torah: Is it Orthodox? An Expose on a Threat to Halachic Judaism" has been added to the references section. Critics of YCT are welcome to summarize the criticism this source articulates. Best, --Shirahadasha 10:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haredi Criticism 

message: The criticisms section makes it sound as if the only orthodox groups that take issue with YCT are chareidi.  This is of course patently untrue.  Numerous "centrist" modern orthodox rabbis and groups have taken a stance against Avi Weiss and his talmidim.  See for example note 7 in the article on Young Israel.  See also The Jewish Week for information on the RCA's stance (this in a highly positive article).  See the aformentioned article for Rabbi Michael Broyd's (whom nobody, but nobody, would even consider calling chareidi) criticism.  There are plenty of others, but these are the first that come to mind.  As the section stands now, it greatly misrepresents the issue and makes YCT sound far more accepted in the MO world than it actually is.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NeverWorker (talk • contribs) 02:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms 

message: I have fully protected this article because of abuse by autoconfirmed users. I've also removed a lot of unreferenced, badly referenced and downright misleadingly referenced material. This is a time when we remember the deaths of R. Akiva's talmidim who did not show respect for one another. Anyone who thinks this kind of trolling is funny or appropriate needs to spend some time on cheshbon nefesh. --Dweller (talk) 09:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what you means to say, is that you protected it because it was personal for you. There was no vandalism going on; there were a couple of mistake about rules which are not obvious to newcomers, and we were having a productive conversation about it, and I was going to go find new sources for any that are deemed objectionable. Hagaah atzmicha, you know that what I am posting is accurate and not misleading; you know they wouldn't even deny it, they just wouldn't want it on the internet;  you know I'll be able to find appropriate sources if I look hard enough. So does now your wikipedia moderating follow wikipedia rules or your own boich or your sfirah sinas chinam rules?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popabar (talk • contribs) 12:56, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing personal to me. I'd never heard of this establishment before you decided to "troll Wikipedia", adding that it was " awesome!" and "a fun game!" and that YCT could "use a taste of their own medicine" because "they are so high and mighty" and "they are way way way closer to the Taliban than they are to normal American society." --Dweller (talk) 13:45, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

text: Believe me or don't believe me. I really don't care. I'm not "disqualify"ing "info" nor am I "disqualify"ing any people, although I was tempted. But deliberately misusing sources to present a slant on a topic is vandalism. --Dweller (talk) 15:52, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I understand that YCT has been in the news from time to time regarding certain views on the role of women in Judaism, but is this really the place to be legislating that greater issue? At the very least, how is the last paragraph of the 'role of women' section relevant to the article? Also, lesser point but is it really necessary to give 'gender' its own section?Jbrzow (talk) 17:49, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  More gender issues 

message: Describing YCT as Modox is misleading to readers. It is not accepted as such by any consensus in the Orthodox community. The article addresses this well, but the introduction of the article is misleading. Since this introduction shows up on Google, DuckDuckGo, etc, it's important that that be addressed at the beginning to prevent confusion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.182.36.16 (talk) 16:35, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Orthodox Controversy