Talk:Jeopardy! theme music

message: I hate to be the first to bring this up, but common sense tells me that this article (and its Jeopardy! article lead in link) should be retitled "Jeopardy! theme music" instead since there are NO lyrics to the theme of the show.
And since there are no lyrics, it cannot be a song by definition.Srosenow 98 (talk) 09:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any reliable sources where the Jeopardy! theme is compared to "I'm a Little Teapot"?  If not, then your assertion (whether correct or not) would seem to be original research.  RJaguar3 | u | t 04:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't this article be titled "Jeopardy! theme music" instead? 

message: An anonymous IP editor seems to have made it his mission to adjust all the applicable Wikipedia articles to say that the Chris Bell rendition of the theme music/"Think" music was introduced this year, in Season 27, rather than at the beginning of Season 25.  (Here are a few such diffs by the vandal:     )  This is inaccurate, of course, as can be shown from the recordings of episodes and the end credits thereof.  The IP vandal's edits have been reverted many times.  Yet this IP vandal is not amenable to discussion of the issue.  I will roll back this vandal's edits as I catch them, but I'm leaving this note here for the record. Robert K S (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandal's still at it, with two more reverts today.  In case he's reading this, he can watch this credits roll from early 2008 that lists Chris Bell Music in the credits.  Robert K S (talk) 03:38, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange anon vandal 

message: In the Alex Trebek era section of the article, the following statements are original researched and thus need to be stated expressly by a reliable (or appropriate self-published, see WP:SELFPUB) source.
#"Beginning with the Alex Trebek-hosted syndicated version in September 1984, a rendition of 'Think!' was used as the main theme, performed on synthesizers, saxophones and percussion with the original recording of the 'Think!' music retained for the final segment." -- needs a source for instrumentation, as well as the fact that the ending used the same think music as the Fleming version.
#"At the top of the show, a "swooshing" laser sound effect was used." -- needs source saying that the effect was a laser sound effect and a "swoosh", as this is not obvious from the episode itself
#"The main theme was remixed in Season 8 for tournament play to include a bongo track, although regular games used the lower-pitched 1984 theme."  -- entirely original research; no sources given say this
#"This remix was then put into permanent use at the start of Season 9 and remained there until the end of Season 13." -- needs a source
#"Two months after the start of Season 13 with the "Sushi Bar set first put into use, the theme's introduction was shortened again, and the swooshing sound effect was removed from the top of the show." -- this also needs a source
#Kaplan's "Think!" has "a more piano-driven, orchestral, jazzy sound." -- needs a source for this description
#"The "Think!" music in the package initially had only a piano lead, but by mid-September 1997, Jeopardy! switched to a different track from the same package of "Think!" with a piano lead in the first verse and a trumpet lead in the second verse." -- needs a source
#"At the start of Season 17, the theme's introduction was shortened, and a wind blowing sound effect was used at the top of the show." -- needs a source stating that these changes occurred at the start of Season 17
#"This arrangement was used until after the April 20, 2001 episode." -- needs a source
#"the introduction was slightly altered, and it consisted of a middle section featuring saxophone and electric guitar improvs" -- needs a source for instrumentation
#"This version was remixed when it was put into permanent use on the April 23, 2001 episode with a different introduction except for the five notes leading into the theme." -- needs a source
#"The February 2001 version was used for all celebrity episodes and tournaments on the road except the 2001 College Championship at UCLA and the 2002 Million Dollar Masters Tournament at Radio City Music Hall, which used the April 23, 2001 version." -- needs source, also somewhat trivial
#"Shortly after the start of Season 18, the swooshing sound effect returned to the top of the show and remained there until the end of Season 24." -- needs a source for this
#"The main theme consisted of the main sections played on piano, violins, and electric guitar, a section of saxophone and electric guitar improvs, the main sections returning, another section of electric guitar and saxophone improvs, and the main sections returning." -- this is not obvious from just listening to the music, so it needs a source
#"The "Think!" music in this package initially had a French Horn lead accompanied by percussion resembling the sound of a leaky faucet. By mid-October 2008, the "Think!" music was remixed to de-emphasize the "leaky faucet" percussion and included a piano lead." -- needs a source for the date of the change, the characterization of the percussion as a "leaky faucet", as well as the fact that the percussion was de-emphasized.
If we cannot find reliable sources to verify the information in this section, then I don't think there is much of a choice but to trim the section down to the bare facts (like who composed the various versions).  RJaguar3 | u | t 20:43, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of this is interpretive language, even if more or less objectively true under WP:FACTS.  (By this I mean you can kind of get what the author was trying to say, if you are already familiar with the music.  If you're not, it's not a helpful description, let alone a musically erudite one.)  Probably best just to axe it all. Robert K S (talk) 05:51, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Does the description of the musical structure of the Jeopardy! theme need reliable third-party sources for the terms used in the description, or is the theme itself a sufficient source?  RJaguar3 | u | t 21:36, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources in description of musical structure