Talk:Texas A&M University Corps of Cadets/Archive01

message: Added some more information on uniforms and daily life.
I added a lot about the class system, some of the traditions.  I hope I added some balance to this page. Especially as one who not only attended A&M but wore the Boots and The Ring  without being TOO overzealous. I think this page could really benfit from some pictures.  I will head up to Aggieland this Fall and try to get some pictures for this page.  If anyone has any on file please post.
User:Synthesis 
I removed the references to "racist and xenophobic attitude" made by 128.194.39.137, due to a total lack of substantiation of these claims.  Although I do not believe that it deserves such a large percentage of the article, I left the information regarding hazing largely intact.  I did, however, do some of the research required to subtantiate those points, which should have been performed by 128.194.39.137 prior to editing the article.  I tried to maintain the NPOV throughout.  I think the solution would be for someone more-familiar with the Corps of Cadets to flesh out the article, providing some more positives to offset the negatives.  Removal of the hazing info is clearly not warranted--this has received quite a bit of attention in the local press, as a Google search will attest.  Chris 23:36, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Older, non categorized stuff

message: Hazing is not anything unique or acceptable within the Corps.  There have been alleged hazing incidents that were never proven to be hazing under University/Corps/State regulations.  Even the reference to the PMC incident has never actually found any wrong-doing, so why mention it?  
We could go through news archives from a few years ago, and find stories of high school beatings up north that were actual hazing incidents, which were caught on film and proven in a court of law.
My point is that hazing has always been a big issue in the Corps in terms of trying to discourage it, but it has never been a wild, out-of-control issue that warrants listing it in this article.  BQAggie2004 16:30, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I really hope you aren't insinuating that Bonfire was an illegal activity. — BQZip01 — talk 21:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hazing has no place in this article. 

message: First off, A&M does have a history of hazing.  In fact, many fraternities, sororities, military/civil organizations, and other groups have hazing as well.  It is just a history today, not a fact of life.  This history is the reason why the University and the Corps have such strict guidelines.  If someone wants to write about those, then so be it.  
The 2002 Parson's Mounted Cavalry (PMC) incident, however, was not ever proven to be hazing, yet, therefore, it should not be mentioned. 
http://www.uh.edu/ednews/2004/bcseagle/200402/20040224hazinghearing.html
BQAggie2004 02:47, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The incident in question 

message: I take it this has nothing to do with the famed outlaws of billy the kid and Jesse James and all the others.  Why then when is there a link here form outlaws aricle under famed outlaws. .  I will leave it hear incase i am missing something but could someone please explain this to me. (70.244.114.211 00:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outlaw 

message: Gents, Class of '92 here - worked in this article early on.  Lets think about modifying the ranking system section.  It takes up a large amount of room.  I think we ought to cut it down to a smaller size.  In addition with all the great traditions of the Corps, not sure a long list of ranks is needed, although we could start a subsequent page. Ideas/ Comments?  In addition, surely some old Ag has some good pictures - finanl review etc..mine were all taken BEFORE the dig camera. Gig Em Synthesis 06:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a table in early 2007. Sorry there wasn't a comment in here. My bad — BQZip01 — talk 21:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Class Rank Section

message: I know that The Corps had more officers in service that any other school including Annapolis or West Point - BUT I am not sure we still do today as asserted early on in the intro paragraph. I would imagine we are only commissioning a few hundred officers at best a year. Lets get this one right. Any input.
Synthesis 06:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. The Corps does train cadets to become officers. As a Senior Military College it is supposed to. That said, it is not the end goal of the Corps, merely a desired by-product. — BQZip01 — talk 21:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Fair enough, but please read WP:NOR. I would personally be happy to update this if you can find a reputable source. THANK YOU for using the talk page!!! Too many people don't. — BQZip01 — talk 03:35, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assertion That A&M trains more Military Officers

message: I was pretty surprised that no one had corrected the term "bider" in the text when referring to the slang term for garrison caps. I went through and corrected it to "biter." Actually, "biter" is an abbreviation of the word "cockbiter." I guess I'm surprised that something that we all knew, back when I was in school, has essentially been forgotten, to the point that everyone now simply calls them "biders" with no thought as to the etymology of the word. (I've actually had to explain to some people that the word "guidon" is not "guide on". Sheesh!) Unfortunately, the military has always had obscene or profane nicknames for the garrison cap. Sorry. Wish it wasn't true, but it is. PGNormand 00:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Made the same correction a few days ago. — BQZip01 — talk 21:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be the number at the spring commissioning. That does not include summer commissionees, fall semester commissionees, or those that commission out of the typical cycles. — BQZip01 — talk 09:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Biter" not "Bider" 

message: From an editing standpoint it is improper to refer to the school as "Texas A&M University" when you are referring to it prior to its name change in the early 1960's. For instance, one reference said:  "The Corps of Cadets is as old as the school itself, founded in 1876 when Texas A&M University was an all-male military college." 
In 1876 there was no "Texas A&M University." Further, the sentence is somewhat ambiguous because it suggests that the A. & M. College of Texas was an all-male military college in 1876, but perhaps not later than that. Certainly, WE know that it remained so for many years, but the average reader would not. And that is who we are supposed to be writing for. PGNormand 18:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  College vs. University 

message: I'm going to set up a cadet rank structure article similar to that of the Air Force Academy's. Thoughts?
:Go for it...whoever you areBQZip01 00:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at it now, it seems the only thing missing is the AMU rank for freshmen ... my former outfit does show the image on its outfit-roster page. The image: http://sq-16.tamu.edu/members/pvt.jpg Doran Routhe 06:40, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While that is what they wear, it is not their rank. An AMU denotes the school, not rank and is used in lieu of rank, see[cadets.tamu.edu/documents/standard/Standard.pdf The Standard] page 103. — BQZip01 — talk 15:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cadet Rank Structure 

message: I think it would be more appropriate to combine the History and Organization sections, especially because the organization section is now in a mostly chronological format.  Karanacs 14:43, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Combine History and Organization?

message: I reverted an edit by Purgatory Fubar, which had completely removed the Senior boots section because it sounded like an advertisement.  I rewrote the section to make it more factual and less like a Holick's ad.  Senior boots are a huge deal in the corps and at A&M, so this section should not be removed again. Karanacs 15:06, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Senior Boots

message: Howdy Ags (and others)!
I recall hearing something a bit back about the Corps going down to Louisiana and assisting the National Guard in maintaining peace in New Orleans after the Hurricane Katrina incident. I don't know enough details to add anything, unfortunately, but maybe someone could help fill out a section? Thanks and gig 'em. JRDarby 20:50, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that's true (at least, I never heard anything about it).  The Corps did a lot to help run the shelter at Reed Arena, but other groups also assisted.  I don't think it's notable enough to include here, although feel free to make a draft paragraph if you want. Karanacs 13:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katrina relief 

message: ThreeE, this is nothing like a primary source in ANY way. It is an award-winning book produced by an organization (the Texas A&M University Press) independent of the subject at hand. That the person who wrote it used to be a member is irrelevant. Moreover, changing the policy after 24 hours of time on the talk page (with only a single person in agreement and a single dissenter) is not consensus...especially for a policy. You can't change policy and then change every article you want because of your changes. — BQZip01 — talk 01:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Are we really going to go through this again?

message: "International students, female students, and others who do not elect participation in the Corps of Cadets are excused by the Administration and the Commandant. "
what? females are allowed in the corp. Kas0809 (talk) 21:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since 1973... :-) — BQZip01 — talk 03:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: what