Talk:KMFDM

message: I added in some new stuff about WWIII, and I think the new quote from Konietzko, "If we had a message, it would be: Think for Yourself and Don't Believe the Bullshit." is a really strong finish to the section.  The one random sentence about lampooning themselves doesn't really connect to anything now.  I moved it up to before the political paragraph, and I'm hoping to find more and better sources going into that aspect of their music.  Right now, it's pretty lonely floating out there by itself. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 16:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I think it could still be fitted in with that last paragraph somewhere, as the paragraph is about what they sing/write about. Whether it's poking fun at themselves, or writing about stupid people, it's something they write about. I've tried to figure out where it could go in there, but anywhere it is added seems out-of-place. I'd put it at the end, except that kind of defeats the purpose of having Sascha's quote at the end. Maybe at the beginning of the paragraph? Something like "KMFDM has written about many topics during its career, including strong political themes and observations on society. Many albums also feature one or more songs in which they lampoon themselves, notably in the lyrics to "Sucks"[80] and "Inane".[23] According to Konietzko, the band has been "politically charged" since its inception.[81]" (and continue on with the rest of the paragraph). This is just a rough idea, and the first sentence I wrote could be rewritten to reflect what sources say (and then be properly sourced). Just an idea. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:37, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical style section changes 

message: I'm thinking the redesign of liner notes is both trivial and not really related to the idea of cover artwork.  I'm also slightly concerned about whether the source would be problematic for a WP:FAC run. Any objections to removing it entirely? <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 18:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, unless a non-related source is around talking about him and his redesign, it doesn't seem very noteworthy to include. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Justin Gammon in artwork section 

message: I'm wondering if KMFDM has been influential enough to warrant a legacy section.  Lots of other featured articles for bands have it.  It seems like they have inspired lots of younger industrial bands; after all, a tribute album was made for them back in 2000.  I'm just not sure how tough it would be to find any sources talking about that aspect. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 17:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legacy section? 

message: In the word order given, I wonder whether it should not better be translated as "no majority for the pity". I guess it's best to add this as a second option in the introduction. --KnightMove (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The translation stuff is discussed in detail in the etymology section.  For the lead, the official band-endorsed meaning should be enough, I think. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 15:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Torcheist, this is explained in the body, and the lead should just show the official meaning. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if you're watching the FAC review closely, but it was suggested that the etymology section should be earlier in the article, which kinda makes sense, considering that it's often a point of contention.  Do you think we should move it above the history section, or try to merge it into the history, or just put it directly behind the history section?  I can't decide. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 22:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say directly after the History section. The history/background seems like the most important section to me, but if the Etymology section is considered to also be important, then I would say put it second. Regardless of people attempting to "correct" the name, it isn't the most important thing about the band. That's my suggestion, anyway. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that sounds good to me.  Seeing it at the very top now isn't working for me, since it overlaps weirdly with some of the details in the history opening.  I'll move it again. <B>—Torchiest</B> talkedits 00:42, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe there should be a note indicating that it is intentionally grammatically incorrect? It's misleading to say "no pity for the majority" is a loose translation, even if it's the intended reading. Adding a comment in the source may stop drive-by edits but it doesn't fix the underlying cause: that it's misleading to say the given translation is a "loose translation" (rather than an interpretation). 5.10.189.182 (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

text: I agree with the previous. The offered "loose" translation is in fact outrageously wrong which is a very poor opening for an otherwise good article. Why not just saying: "KMFDM ('Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit', 'no pity for the majority')". Later in the article, there could be an explanation about the original version.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.106.96 (talk) 21:50, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

text: I hate to bring this up again after being resolved for such a long while... but the opening sentence is still very awkward.  Is it really necessary to open the article with a parenthetical assault of detail about the origin of the name when it is much more clearly explained in the history section?  Expanding on MrMoustacheMM's comment that the history of the name is not really the most important thing, I would argue that it does not need to be the very first sentence of the article.  I propose removing the (now redundant) parenthetical blurb about the name from the top of the article altogether.  -- Also, stating that KMFDM was "originally" called something else is plainly incorrect.  The history section clearly states that KMFDM (already abbreviated) was the original name they decided to use. -- abfackeln (talk) 03:44, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Do you have a source for that? That's the first I've ever heard that translation. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 21:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No pity for the majority 

message: I'm considering moving the first paragraph in the early years section down below the next two paragraphs explaining the meaning of the name.  I'm thinking it might flow a little better, since it interrupts the history the way it is, but the end of Sascha's story goes right into the Feb. 29 date. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 23:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That might work. Would you give that its own subheading, and start the Early Years in Germany subheading after those 2 paragraphs? Or could that paragraph be worked into those 2 paragraphs (since the name came about at the same time as the first show), so there's 3 or 4 paragraphs made out of that? Anyway, give it a try, see how it works. It can always be reverted or changed again if needed. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible rearranging of first section 

message: I think the info on the MDFMK tour should be removed from the List of Tours. Since MDFMK was a different band than KMFDM, I don't think it's appropriate to include here. Instead I think that info should be moved to MDFMK. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me.  I'll fix it. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 20:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  MDFMK in the List of Tours 

message: Since Tim has released a couple albums and some singles/EPs under the name Skold, instead of linking to the album should we just link to his article, possibly directly to his solo discography section? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 06:52, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea.  I did that and added info about Shotgun Messiah and PROLET•KULT.  I think that's everything now. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 21:10, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated acts - Skold 

message: As mentioned by an IP editor, this shows the name of the tour to be I [heart] You Tour 2013, whereas the KMFDM News source shows the locations as the tour names. Is the tour poster considered a reliable source, can it be used to confirm the name? I'm kinda up in the air about it, both seem like legitimate sources. Thoughts? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 17:20, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  I would say the official store is a reliable source, but I also think it's incomplete in terms of the information it provides.  There's not a clear way to tie it to the March and April dates.  If they tour again this year (not likely, but possible) that could complicate things further.  I don't have super strong feelings on it, but it could be a sticking point at FAC. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 13:35, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current tour name 

message: After touring in 1992 with drummer Chris Vrenna,[reference] the then-core of KMFDM (Konietzko, Esch, Schulz, and second guitarist Mark Durante) returned to Chicago and found that Wax Trax! had filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy to begin corporate reorganization in November 1992.[reference] The band went into the studio in 1993 as a group to record its seventh album, Angst, which sold more than 100,000 copies over the next two years.[reference] Esch said after the album's release, "I like this album way more. Money was done in a hurry, and I was doing a major Pigface tour, so I didn't have much influence on the album. I really like Angst. I'm totally down with it. We've tried to involve guitar players, we tried to be like a real band, especially in the creative kind of aspect."[reference] After the release of Angst, Wax Trax!/TVT Records launched a promotion in which fans were encouraged to devise as many alternate meanings for KMFDM as possible, with more than a thousand submissions resulting.[reference] The 1994 song "Light" contains a possible alternate meaning: keiner macht für dich mehr ("no one does more for you").[reference]
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keiner macht für dich mehr ("no one does more for you").
***should be***
"Keine Macht für Dich mehr!" ("no power for you anymore")'''
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title=Laff Mich Glucklich Seim
***should be***
Lass mich glücklich sein! ("Let me be happy")— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.24.246 (talk • contribs) 
*Since the KMFDM website capitalizes the "M" in Macht, meaning it is a noun rather than a verb, I've changed the translation of the "Light" lyrics to "no more power for you", which is more idiomatic.  The other one can't be changed, since it is the title of the article we are using as a source. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 12:13, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you suggesting that we change the quoted lyrics? The song uses "keiner". So if that is what you are suggesting, we wouldn't change that in the article, as that is what the lyrics are. See KMFDM "Light" lyrics. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:10, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I noticed that too after I changed it.  I'm thinking at this point it might be better to remove the translation, since it's just about perfectly ambiguous based on the official site's text. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 02:13, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor mistakes! 

message: There is info about the MDFMK era left out....
MDFMK featured the movie "Heavy Metal FAKK2" with their song 'Missing Time' within the movie itself and on the movie soundtrack too!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.24.246 (talk) 13:37, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That information is in fact included, at MDFMK, the correct location for that information. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  MDFMK incomplete.... 

message: In the list of multilingual bands and artists, there is an entry stating that KMFDM is singing in "English, German, Russian, Spanish, Esperanto, Czech". It's the only band singing in Esperanto in that list - I would have thought to see something like Freundeskreis as singing in Esperanto... Anyway, I can't find any reference assuring that KMFDM has been singing in all those languages, and somehow I doubt that the statement is right. Well, in the album Tohuvabohu there's each one title in French and Spanish, and I don't know about the title "Bumaye" (maybe Turkish, maybe something else... no, just plain English and German). Potentially not only the titles, but whole songs there are in French and Spanish, though you can choose any title you want for a song - a title is no guarantee for content (controlled: "Fait Accompli" is in English and German, only "Los Niños del Parque" is in "real" Spanish). Does anybody know anything about multilingual singing of KMFDM, or is the list statement a hoax? ThomasPusch (talk) 21:20, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singing in other languages than English and German? 

message: Dear editors, shouldn't the abbreviation stand for "Kein Mitleid für die Mehrheit" instead of the currently shown "Kein Mehrheit für die Mitleid"? Whilst the latter makes not sense in German, the first one does and translates to "No pity for the majority", as stated in the article afterwards.
Source: I'm half-German.
Kind regards,
M. Glade  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:70:CF74:2200:3DBE:2C47:8AF0:77E1 (talk) 10:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: If it were grammatically correct, yes. But it's intentionally ungrammatical and based on a mishmash of newspaper clippings. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 20:23, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  That should also be reflected in the translation, ie. "No majority for the pity".  --84.132.158.29 (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  KMFDM German abbreviation 

message: This is mainly directed at User:Gleb95, although anyone else is of course welcome to comment. I see that you added a source for the first tour in 1992, and then moved it down to the second tour. The problem is that source seems to have elements of both, without being correct for either. The source uses a tour name that is close to the one listed in the band's newsletter, but with the words "money" and "sucks" switched. But the dates of the Money Sucks tour mentioned in the source are for June, when the actual Sucks Money tour was in October and November. So I'm not sure what's going on. It could be they renamed the June tour after that source was printed. —<B>Torchiest</B> talkedits 20:39, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1992 tour information 

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