Talk:Kei car

message: There is a small GMC truck seen in Europe that seems to fit in the category are they sold in Japan ? or is it a japanese rebranded truck ?
Piaggo also build similar vehicles are they sold in Japan ?
Ericd 08:10 16 May 2003 (UTC)
Do you have a name? anobo 08:16 19 May 2003 (UTC)
No I live in Nice they use some GMC minitrucks for garbage disposal in some quater. I'll try to take digital potho when I see one this will help to identify the engine.
But isn't the GM a shareholder of Isuzu ?
BTW the Honda N360 and Z and the Honda minitruck where well known in Europe.
There is also a small car branded Marutti which seems to be a Suzuki, I don't where it's built.
Ericd 18:13 21 May 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for answering, would be very nice, if you can take a picture.</br>
Referring to GM-Homepage and then `Automotive' and `Auto Brands' both Isuzu and Suzuki belong to GM. Oh, I'm suprised: Subaru as well.</br>
::I'd say it's probably a rebadged Suzuki Super Carry of some variety. They were sold in the UK and Ireland in the late '80s and '90s as the Bedford Rascal (Bedford was a GM commercial vehicle brand at the time). --Zilog Jones 10:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GMC truck

message: I have no idea what "and no proof for a parking lot" means. Could this be explained in clearer language, please.
Adrian Pingstone 16:47, 19 Oct 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: One can not buy a _normal_ car in Japan without this proof. The space on the streets is very less. I don't know how to obtain this. One doesn't need the proof if buying a Keicar. :anobo 15:29, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text:  13 years later... you obtain a printed map with the dimensions of your home (and parking) from the real estate agent. You then go to the local police station with the appropriate forms and they will send someone round to measure the parking space, and compare those dimensions with those of the car you wish to purchase.  14:25, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Parking

message: added some available pics from wikipedia and removed the request.84.160.75.75 19:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pics added

message: Not sure how much response I'm going to get for this, but are the dates for the Regulations correct? According to , many k-cars (e.g. Mitsubishi Minica, Suzuki Alto were 547 cc until March 1990, when they all switched to 660 cc. I reckon the 1984 date for this change is not correct. -- DeLarge 09:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not know where they got the information from.  I took it mainly from the "automotive guidebook of japan" which is released every year (mostly) in Japan and from here [] (this is the official page). anobo 20:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent - that's a better source than my reference in the external links, and it corroborates my suspicions about 1990 being the critical date. I'll add it in. --DeLarge 23:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Regulations

message: in my opinion, the manufacturers section is not exactly correct. the smart vehicle does not fit in the kei category as it has a width of 1,51m (1,56m for the new model), wider than the mandatory 1'48.
also, correct me if i'm wrong, but nissan has never been a kei manufacturer per se. it's been selling kei cars since 2001 (if i recall correctly), but they are produced by suzuki and mitsubishi, not by nissan.
mazda isn't a manufacturer too nowadays, as their products are rebadged suzukis, but can fit in there because it made its own models in the past.
i edited the page and wiped out smart, but did not deleted nissan and mazda for not being that nitpicking. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.44.41.212 (talk • contribs) 01:43, November 24, 2006.
:Details of the Japan-only "Smart K" which is compliant with the regulations can be found at daimlerchrysler.co.jp --DeLarge 09:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  manufacturers 

message: I have removed the final paragraph of the introduction since it doesn't fit the principles of wikipedia. The lack of citations and detail mean the paragraph adds nothing to the article. Bliskner (talk) 09:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Final paragraph

message: I tried to fix the capitalization of 'smart' but for some reason even though it's in lower case in the source it's capitalized in the output. -FoxMajik (talk) 00:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the pipetrick. However, I believe it's correct as it is. "Smart" in the context of being the name of a vehicle, is a proper noun and should be capitalized in an encyclopedia article. We're bound by the rules of English grammar, not the whims of a logo designer. Just because it's written in all lower caps on the back of a car does not mean we're obliged to follow suit. --DeLarge (talk) 11:29, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Smart

message: Are they speed limited?
Is a "normal" driver license required?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.106.34.195 (talk) 12:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: It is difficult for the Europe and America people to imagine Kei car. I chose the latest beautiful photograph, and displayed. And, I chose the photograph of historical Kei cars. DeLarge edit is not understood easily for Europe and America people. Moreover, AZ-1 1990 model of Today, and Twin were the failure works model. And, Mitsubishi i MiEV is a model paid attention to most as Oncoming generation Kei car. DeLarge should esteem a Japanese aspect. I wait for DeLarge answer. --AvengerX (talk) 18:18, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: "It is difficult for the Europe and America people to imagine Kei car." Ehh? How is it difficult, exactly? It's a class of very small cars. We can somehow imagine stuff like the Smart Fortwo, and in fact we buy thousands of them every year, so I think you're underestimating the intelligence of our readership if you think a photo of the Wagon R is going to confuse them. The Suzuki is clearly more representative, by overall sales and the fact that most current keijidosha follow the same front-engined mini-people carrier design. It's certainly more representative of the class than an electrically-powered version of a mid-engined niche model from Mitsubishi (which is even outsold by its eK sister model). The i is a fascinating car, but it's not very representative of the class in general. Quite the opposite; it's pretty unique compared with the last forty years of motoring. --DeLarge (talk) 23:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article generally implies that these cars are unknown outside Japan. This may be true in North America, where anything smaller than a main battle tank is considered impracticably small, but they sell in large numbers in Europe and Asia. In my experience the term Kei car is only used by motoring journalists though, not by the general public. --Ef80 (talk) 12:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

text: It isn't that hard for European people to imagine Kei cars. Daihatsu for example sells Kei cars in Europe, but Chevrolet, Smart, Piaggio and Suzuki for example sell cars in the Kei car format, but there also are cars for the disabled people. For example, the Waaijenberg Canta from the Netherlands is close to the original size of the Kei cars from the 1950s. Unintentionally, it is also used as a Kei car. However, it is only allowed on the places pedestrians and cyclists go. Americans have the Commuter Cars Tango T600, but that car isn't that well-known.--92.111.35.244 (talk) 14:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit of 18:49, 1 January 2010 

message: I've removed it because of the following:
1.No sources.
2.I looked for the IIHS report, and while I found something on LSVs that kei trucks, the tests were made on a GEM e2 (US manufacturer) & a Changan Tiger (Chinese), it also mentioned that LSVs are not required. It also states "NHTSA doesn't require LSVs to have airbags or other safety features beyond belts" - which is most certainly not the case for a Kei car as per Japanese regulations, and "They must be able to go at least 20 mph but no faster than 25 mph." which again is not the case. If there is another IIHS report that is relevant to actual kei jidōsha not LSV being mistakenly referred to as kei jidōsha, then it should be used, but I can't find it.
3. Speed limits. "traffic rarely gets above 50 km/h (31.1 mph)" seems like original research to me. Japan is full of highways, expressways etc. Kei cars are certainly not prohibited from travelling on these roads and are capable of speeds well in excess of 120kmh. It's also assuming that people actually follow the speed limits. It's making a lot of assumptions.
I would suggest that if you want a safety section, then look at some Japanese safety reports that actually focus on kei jidōsha and get some translations. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 06:55, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety section. 

message: The J-wiki doesn't seem to have the same scope that this one. The J-wiki one not only covers "kei" cars, but "kei" (light) vehicles (軽自動車) in general (自動車 is also vehicle instead of just car in that article)  as defined by Japanese law, from motorcycles to trucks and from highway-capable to so-called mopeds/"ultra compact" for city transit (although, in practical terms, it mostly focus on light road-going cars as this one does, and just mentions some basic elements of the law for light vehicles in the intro). I don't know if that a problem or not, as most people in the English-speaking world thinks on the funny-looking highway-capable cars when thinking on kei. Thoughts? Urbanoc (talk) 19:45, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the scope of this article is correct, in dealing only with the specifically Japanese vehicle class known as kei jidosha. There is Microcar and Moped and other articles that deal with various other kinds of small vehicles. Instead of comparing this to the Japanese entry, perhaps look at :de:Kei-Car or :it:Vetture Keicar. Any non-Japanese article ought to share the same viewpoint as this one.  Mr.choppers | ✎  18:23, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:   I just saw this answer, sorry, my fault! My poor excuse is that I couldn't really be around Wikipedia for a long time and some things flew over me. Thanks for your points, I think you're right as there are abundant English-language sources calling this specific type of vehicle "kei car" and Wikipedia is primarly about sourcing, not interwiki consistency. I was curious on the opinion of other editors on the scope discrepancy, but you were the only one to give an answer (thanks again), so I think there is no real problem...  --Urbanoc (talk) 21:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks . And don't worry about delay in replying, nothing should really be a rush here. There is always time.  Mr.choppers | ✎  22:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key jidosha