Talk:Francisco Macías Nguema

message: I've started looking for suitable sources for the article. So far, I have found the following. 
* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/08/29/do2902.xml&sSheet=/opinion/2004/08/29/ixopinion.html
* http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,947351,00.html?promoid=googlep
* http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,839898,00.html
* http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-0206(198804)31%3A1%3C9%3ATROADT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-T "During the eleven year presidency (1968-1979) of Francisco Macias Nguema, up to half of the population was liquidated or went into exile."
* http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/inscr/polity/Eqg1.htm
* http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/africa/equatorial_guinea.html
* http://www.kentlaw.edu/jicl/articles/spring2003/Colonial%20Rapacity.doc
* http://globaledge.msu.edu/IBRD/CountryHistoryPrint.asp?CountryID=189&RegionID=5
* http://www.africa.ufl.edu/asq/v8/v8i3a2.htm
* http://www.africa.ufl.edu/asq/v8/v8i3a2.pdf
* http://www.bartleby.com/65/ng/Nguema-F.html
If anyone can suggest others (web or, preferably, print), I'd be grateful. Jakew 22:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Small is Not Always Beautiful" by Max Liniger-Goumaz is the first (and AFAIK only) detailed history of Equatorial Guinea in English (originally written in French and translated into English in 1988). "Tropical Gangsters: One Man's Experience With Development and Decadence in Deepest Africa" by Robert Klitgaard is another book on the country, detailing the author's experiences working with the government to implement World Bank policies. "The Wonga Coup: Guns, Thugs and a Ruthless Determination to Create Mayhem in an Oil-Rich Corner of Africa" by Adam Roberts is a more recent book that talks about a recent coup attempt. Rjhatl (talk) 13:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible sources

message: He's listed as having no religion and being an atheist in the infobox, seems odd someone raised by traditional witch doctors in an animist tradition who later went on to refer to himself as god could be called an atheist.  Unless the intention is to imply he thought he himself did not exist.  Citation is needed for his religion. --NEMT (talk) 21:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Something tells me that he was not an atheist; he simply thought that he was god. There is a difference between thinking you are divine and being an atheist. 96.26.213.146 (talk) 10:09, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I'm saying. --NEMT (talk) 15:14, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it. 96.26.213.146 (talk) 06:40, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for religion?

message: I found a picture of Francisco Nguema that I think would be more suitable for this page.  It's basically a cult of personality photo of him used by his regime.  The reason why I think it should be used is that I've noticed that the profile photos of Mao Zedoung, Kim Il Song, and Jim Jong Il use the personality cult photos which I think makes the Wikipedia articles more interesting.  On the other hand, Stalins Wikipedia photo is a regular photo.  That being said, I was hoping to ask if it is ok to use the new photo of Francisco.  
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=francisco+nguema&view=detailv2&&id=A4DB6F73928F0FEF17A42381E2CEE40C1D01D5F0&selectedIndex=4&ccid=gcGafvX1&simid=608048137792128448&thid=OIP.M81c19a7ef5f5d90b5554d15b3caf1357o1&ajaxhist=0  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 02:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: A better picture for his profile

message: The information was added to the entry by User:Zwifree seems to be a wild slanders without any factual basis. Especially accusing him of drugs using. Do not you require, your writers, to base their statements on reliable sources? Slav4 (talk) 19:57, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Wikipedia really behind this information? 

message: In response to Slav4, I didn't add any new information to the article. The introduction to this article was very thin, so I expanded it using information from the rest of the article that had already been properly cited. In response to the drug use, the notion that Nguema used several types of drugs while he was President is cited correctly (and laid out in more detail) in the body of the article. Thanks for your concerns! Zwifree (talk) 6:57, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Slav4 (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Information is properly cited in the body of the article 

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message: I'm seriously doubting that this biography is written from a neutral point of view. Some of the claims in this article seem quite outlandish, especially the bold claim that he turned EG into the "Dachau of Africa."
I have consulted Equatorial Guinea's Encyclopedia Britannica page, as well as it's CIA World Factbook page, and although they claim that Nguema's was indeed totalitarian, they do not do so to the extent of this article.
a 1979 Washington Post article reporting on Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo's takeover of the country additionally claims that Nguema's regime drove half the country into exile, although it does not speak to such a level as to declare it a "Dachau of Africa." 
--Jimmy Jimsson (talk) 03:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some more research and uncovered a 1978 joint house resolution proposal which condemns Nguema for genocide. --Jimmy Jimsson (talk) 04:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Kenyon's book (which is cited) is quite clear that Macías' forces committed many massacres and mass-murders; and this book was very well received. Are you seriously suggesting that a dictator who drove half of his country into exile, who shot people for wearing glasses, who mined the only roads into the country, and is documented to have ordered the slaughter of entire settlements, was not so bad? The sources say he turned his country into the "Dachau of Africa", and Wikipedia follows the sources. Applodion (talk) 12:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for bringing up your concerns with me about this dispute. My main concerns arose from what (in my view) was a perceived lack of primary sources. I am going to add a citation for the joint house resolution in this article. --Jimmy Jimsson (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wikipedia actually discourages the use of primary sources, see Wikipedia:Primary sources, though I believe the joint house resolution would be ok to use. In general, feel free to expand the article if you find good references (i.e. academic books, journals, and newspapers). Even though I diagreed with your criticsm/concerns, it is a fact that the article needs a lot more work and is still in a relatively poor shape. Applodion (talk) 17:16, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential Bias 

message: The claim that Nguema's father was killed by a government official and that his mother committed suicide are not listed in the Spanish version of the article. I do not speak Spanish, but I ran the content through a translator to see roughly what it says. According to the Spanish version of the article Nguema's psychological issues were a result of witnessing his father kill his brother in a ritual sacrifice. The claim that his father killed one of his sons does appear to be something that is widely believed; there are a number of citable sources saying that it happened in Spanish and English. However the claim about his mother and father meeting untimely deaths only appear in sources that seem to be quoting this article. The citation given for it does not include that information. I would suggest removing this passage unless a source can be found. HollinwoodVampire (talk) 09:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno if you got around to it at all but did you check out the "El sexo y la violencia: el caso de Masié Nguema Biyogo" paper listed? NorthTension (talk) 13:54, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unverified claim in article