Talk:Mass (music)

message: I cheerfully concede this is more elaborate than most stubs, but it is indeed a stub that needs work.  Feel free to add to it.  Perhaps a list of notable composers of Masses, similar to the list I put at requiem, might be appropriate. ---User:Ihcoyc
I think the section Form of the Mass should be moved to Ordinary of the Mass.  I think that's a more appropriate place for the full text to appear.  Also, I think Sanctus and Benedictus are usually considered to be one part, not two. Alcuin 03:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub question

message: This is a huge period. Should we not split it up into subsections?
Maybe Viennese Masses (Haydn & Co); Romantic/Operatic Masses (Gounod, Rheinberger et al.); 20th C Masses.
Should a distiction be made between 'liturgical' masses and 'concert' masses? (Bach's Mass in B minor could never be used as part of the liturgy, for example)
Fiddleback 20:25, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes:  it should be subdivided and expanded greatly, in my opinion.  (I added a bunch to the pre-Baroque, but haven't edited the rest.)  Thanks!  Antandrus  (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baroque to the present? 

message: I have added two sections concerning the history of the mass from Baroque through Romantic and 20th and 21st century in addition to the lists already in the article. Feel free to add or amend!
Aprickel (talk) 01:39, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  History sections

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message: I see several examples of a Requiem mass listed, but think they should go to the special article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:11, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requiem mass 

message: There seems to be disagreement whether "a cappella" or "unaccompanied" should be used. If this article is supposed to approach scholarly quality on this topic, then the term "unaccompanied" is the correct term. To put it succinctly, I quote this paragraph from Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians:
:Normally, choral music sung without instrumental accompaniment. Originally (c1600) the term was used to distinguish works composed in the older polyphonic style of the Renaissance from those written in the newer concertato style of the early Baroque. During the 19th century the Roman Catholic Church idealized 16th-century polyphony and the works of Palestrina in particular. Noting that no instrumental parts were included in the sources containing this music, and unaware that instruments were often used during the Renaissance to double or substitute for vocal parts, musicians came to believe that a cappella referred to unaccompanied choral singing (see Chorus (i), §4). Since that time, the term has become synonymous with "unaccompanied singing", both religious and secular. (emph. added)
Although the use of the term a cappella for unaccompanied vocal music is the vernacular (of which I have no problem and use myself), in this article "unaccompanied" is more accurate. Especially considering that we are using the words "can be accompanied," the use of "unaccompanied" is better suited.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by B0cean (talk • contribs) 02:11, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The foregoing is correct.  Historically "a cappella" was used for a style that was liturgically appropriate.  It would not have been used of the madrigal, for example, which was often unaccompanied, but not liturgical music. In today's vernacular, unaccompanied madrigals are commonly described as "a cappella," in contravention of its historical meaning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fugueman (talk • contribs) 02:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all covered, appropriately enough, in the blue linked A cappella article. This article's lead currently distinguishes a cappella style from orchestral masses (a fair chunk of the concert repertoire). If a 3-fold division is felt useful, it could be reworded thus: "Masses can be a cappella, that is,either unaccompanied or without an independent accompaniment, or they can be accompanied by..." Sparafucil (talk) 22:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''"a cappella"'' vs. "unaccompanied" 

message: Should we mention this is the plural form of "Missa Brevis" when we use this? This isn't apparent for everyone. --Ahyangyi (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Missae breves" 

message: Trying to insert a mass, I see that I would not know to insert where because the arrangement follows no system that is recognizable by me.
* Why are Requiem masses listed here at all, which are also in the relevant article? - A link would do. - Btw: The Requiem article used to be Requiem (music), which seems more general and therefore more appropriate for works which are not "for the Requiem Mass", - some are for concert, some don't even use the liturgical text.
* We could go by composer (alpha), - perhaps easiest to find, or by year of composition, or by year of composer's birth ... - we could also make a sortable table, - just ideas. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This article isn't a list: a few relevant examples are welcome per topic/period/section, that's all. If you want a list, it is possible to start one (compare List of Magnificat composers, sortable in various ways). --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:07, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Or something like de:Liste von Messen, translated in English (although I'd prefer a sortable table). --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:42, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The table at List of symphonies with names is close to the format I'd prefer for such list. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:59, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  A sortable: Zukunftsmusik, - I am busy with articles at present. - For now: I suggest to remove all Requiem masses and need to know how this listing (is that a better word?) should be sorted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Representative Requiems should not be removed. --Francis Schonken (talk) 11:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sort and scope of list 

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message: I followed a link in another article (Mass in B Minor) to missa tota.  This redirected me to the current article  ("Redirected from Missa Tota").  However the current article has no mention of missa tota.  Missa tota is discussed  in the article titled missa brevis. I think that the missa tota redirect should be changed to refer to the missa brevis article instead.  I'd do it myself, except that I don't know how to edit redirects. Omc (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 19:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  missa tota 

message: some composers specifically wrote settings of the Catholic Liturgical Mass that were written as settings of the text as it would be spoken on holidays, and/or combined with an offertorium (mass ordinary vs mass proper). Not sure this distinction- settings of the text of the Ordinary vs. "Mass Proper"s (if I have the term vaguely right even after a reminder from a Google Search) - is important enough for the article, but thought I'd bring it up... ELSchissel (talk) 18:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass proper (vs. Mass ordinary)