Talk:First Presidency (LDS Church)

message: In this article, mention is made about John R. Winder being an apostle and member of the First Presidency but not a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. When I was going over the Quorum of the Twelve Chronology page, I issued the following statement on that page: "John R. Winder was never ordained an apostle. Wikipedia’s page on him notes: 'Having never been a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles prior to his call to the First Presidency, a rarity, there has been some dispute as to whether or not Winder was ordained an Apostle at the time of his appointment as First Counselor.' In the 2007 Deseret Morning News Church Almanac, his biography as a member of the First Presidency is featured on page 55. He is listed as number 7 on that page. I quote the relevant part from it. 'Ordained high priest March 4, 1872, by Edward Hunter; sustained as second counselor to Presiding Bishop William B. Preston April 8, 1887, at age 65; sustained as first counselor to President Joseph F. Smith Oct. 17, 1901, at age 79; died March 27, 1910, at Salt Lake City, Salt Lake Co., Utah, at 88.' If it’s listed in the official Almanac of the Church, consequently, it is verifiable. As a result, in the going-over of the chronological listing of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that I’m doing, I have removed him as an 'other apostle.' Thank you. Jgstokes 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regarding your last edit, I think you must have misunderstood. He was listed as an example of a member of the First Presidency who was never ordained to the priesthood office of apostle. This conforms to what you have said above and so his name should not have been removed as you did. I have reverted the change. -SESmith 22:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Winder

message: This table is useful.  However, I think that it would become more useful with a minor change: Where the same person holds the same position in the First Presidency during two successive periods, the cell should span rows.  — Val42 (talk) 21:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that would be helpful. Snocrates 22:05, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chronology of the First Presidency

message: I noticed that someone put 2008 as the end date for F. Michael Watson's tenure as First Presidency Secretary. His tenure hasn't ended. If you go back and look at the Saturday Afternoon Session where he reads the statistical report, you'll find he was introduced by President Uchtdorf as "Elder F. Michael Watson of the Seventy and First Presidency Secretary." Additionally, while the fact that he's a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy IS verifiable, the fact that his tenure as FP Secretary has ended is NOT. I hope this information is helpful to you. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 23:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As an additional note, he is now in an area presidency in Africa and has therefore likely been released as First Presidency Secretary. However, we don't know who the successor is/will be even if he has been. I guess we'll have to wait until October or April to find out. --Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable (talk) 03:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  F. Michael Watson's tenure as FP Secretary 

message: Perhaps we can find a new picture for this article this one is out of date, has obsured figures (and has an embarassing president in it). 
mormon wiki has
http://www.mormonwiki.com/wiki/images/1/1a/First_presidency_Monson_edited.jpg  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.74.128.36 (talk) 16:49, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Picture