Talk:Brian Carbury

message: This entry in the  indicates that Carbury was thrown out of the RAF on 1 October 1941 following a court-martial.  I'm a bit wary of adding this to the article without some definite indication that this wasn't cancelled (the Gazette search is a bit hit-and-miss), and without any idea of the context or what he was chargd with.  David Underdown (talk) 10:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. It doesn't contradict the other sources, since they say he didn't fly again operationally after early 1941 - perhaps they've deliberately left something out. On the other hand, I couldn't find anything else about a court martial on the web either. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Precisely, I can well see why a court-martial might be glossed over, but without further info it's still a bit speculative.  I know someone who may have access to better sources, if I remember to ask him.  Looks like primary sources would be available: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=61#7  David Underdown (talk) 14:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Still nothing on the court martial, but I did find a Times report of a later escapade! David Underdown (talk) 14:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done finding that story, makes the court martial sound a bit less surprising... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally ahd chance to talk to the chap.  Didn't know anything offhand but he's got a book which gives details of the subsequent careers of all BofB pilots, so he should let me know what that says.  He also pointed out that if Carbury were re-instated he would appear in subsequent RAF Lists, which I may be able to track down.  David Underdown (talk) 19:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a terrier, mate - keep it up! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, according to Men of the Battle of Britain, Wynn, Kenneth G., CCB Associates, 1999 (2nd, 60th anniversary, edition),  he continued to serve as a flying instructor until 1944 with 58 OTU at Grangemouth.  Still no mention of a court-martial, but I'm told it's extremely odd for someone to have spent that long as instructor, people were normally rotated back on to operational flying after 6 months or so.  Think I'll have to try and have a look at the court-martial records.  David Underdown (talk) 19:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have now checked the Air Force lists, he is listed in Septemeber 1941, and then disappears from November 1941 on (I looked in every List up to January 1946, they were mostly published every two months).  That would be consistent with the Gazette notice, but the Wynn book seems to imply he was kept on in smoe capacity, even if not as an officer.  Curiourser and curiouser. David Underdown (talk) 14:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: Carbury must have returned north with the squadron in Dcember, or he wouldn't have been flying with them over St Abb's Head on Christmas day.  I've checked the original combat report, and Carbury defintiely states that he was flying with "Blue section 603 Squadron".  David Underdown (talk) 09:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: David - Carbury did returned north with the squadron in late 1940, then left them in January 1941. The squadron returned south in either Easter or June 1941, as they were undertaking "rhubarbs" into France that summer. Hence the edit change I made, as it originally read that neither Carbury NOR the squadron returned south - which was incorrect. Rgds, - Trident13 (talk) 13:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, your edit summary was rather ambiguous, so I missed the point.  David Underdown (talk) 13:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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