Talk:Pheidon

message: === Two Pheidons ===
Finally, there was two Pheidons.
# The first person was the seventh king of Argos. He flourished during the 8th century B.C. He assisted the Pisates to expel the Eleians, superintendents of the Olympian games (748 BC).
# The second person was a tyrant of Argos. He flourished during the fourth quarter of the 7th century B.C. His grandson, Leocedes (Lacedas), was in the list of the suitors of Agariste, daughter of Cleisthenes of Sicyon (574 BC).
# The battle at Hysiae, (668 BC), in middle of 7th century B.C., in Argolis, between Argives and Spartans is extraneous to both Pheidons.
--IonnKorr 19:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed

message: Finally, there was two Pheidons.
# The first person was the seventh king of Argos. He flourished during the 8th century B.C. He assisted the Pisates to expel the Eleians, superintendents of the Olympian games (748 BC).
# The second person was a tyrant of Argos. He flourished during the fourth quarter of the 7th century B.C. His grandson, Leocedes (Lacedas), was in the list of the suitors of Agariste, daughter of Cleisthenes of Sicyon (574 BC).
# The battle at Hysiae, (668 BC), in middle of 7th century B.C., in Argolis, between Argives and Spartans is extraneous to both Pheidons.
--IonnKorr 19:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Pheidons 

message: This really is dire; indeed, so scruffily and haphazardly constructed is it that I should wager it worthy of deletion.  While the exigences of time preclude me from immediate rectification, I should hope that those behind what is a reasonably hearty offering care enough about it to attend to the problem themselves.  Cheers, Robertson-Glasgow (talk) 09:21, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aberrance 

message: Whatever the sources say, it is up to interpretation.
*Both "Pheidons" were engaged in wars against Sparta.
*They had rivalries with Sicyon, as Sicyon had with them.
*Both were supposed descendants of Heracles
*The Second Messenian War began shortly after the supposed first battle of Hysiae, and the Messenians had the backing of Argos.
Although timing may be off for all sources, the battle occurred long before recording history was of relative importance, and sources and times can change throughout the centuries.
I've come to the conclusion that there have been 2 Pheidon's, one that ruled in around the 8th century, and another that ruled in the 7th century BC. The earlier Pheidon was according to sources a brother of Caranus of Macedon and a son of Temenus who was a great-great-grandson of Heracles, making this Pheidon 4-5th in descent of Heracles, not 10th as suggested by other historians. The later Pheidon who ruled around 600 BC, would be a descendant of Heracles likely through Pheidon I, perhaps making him Pheidon II and tenth in descent from Heracles. LeukonTheBosporan (talk) 20:47, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: They may be one and the same

message: There may have been two Pheidons but only one is certain and there are different estimates on his lifetime. The article should simply be Pheidon instead of Pheidon II (which basically is original research), and then maybe have a paragraph on whether there was an earlier Pheidon or not. Gts-tg (talk) 12:44, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Disputed 2