Talk:Gerald Bull

message: The dates on this article don't match, it states he converted to Catholicism in 1909, but was born in 1928.
It also states he was 58 in 1935. 82.18.7.5 (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Date Problem

message: I personally found this guy fascinating and followed his career up until he was killed. I, too, was under the impression that several governments may have been complicit in his death but Mossad probably carried it out. Bull had the bad luck (or judgement!) of working with Saddam and Israel considered this new weapon a threat.
From my understanding the correct journalistic way to report his death would be something like, "It is widely believed that Mossad...." or "It is usually assumed that Mossad..." Obviously, if it was a covert operation -- and it likely was -- the public will never know definitively what happened. But it is not reasonable to then not report on the likely truth behind covert operations.
--Calan 14:12, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One more impression

message: That may be true - but surely modern day forensics techniques (that only require a nanoliter, ie: one thousandth of a millionth of a litre) of genetic material from bullets, etc... taken from the scene would at least be capable of pinning down the ethnicity of whoever committed the crime (if the individual were on the Police National Computer, then the police could successfully pursue a prosecution). Do the police still have some of the evidence from the scene of the assassination to pursue an investigation?
I don't know about this, but it would answer some interesting questions at least - and I'm guessing someone out there would want to know. --Nukemason
If you want to know the whole truth about Gerald Bull, you should read my book published in 1993, just a few years after Bull's assissination. The title: The Guns of Babylon. Toronto: Lugus Publishing, 1993 If you need a copy, I will send you one. Send me your address and Zip code. Best Jean-Pierre de Villers
I'm not sure that just because a book is written about a subject, the subject is true. And another assumption here is that Bull was actually developing a supergun that could reach Israel. None of these statements about such in ANY of the articles I've found here on Wikipedia are cited correctly. We seem to have a very powerful rumor mill operating here, but it should be made clear in the article's text that these references are merely SPECULATION. As it is, they're neither cited properly nor disclaimed at all.71.61.64.113 18:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This story about his materials for the supergun being caught was reported many years ago in the mainstream press. No rumor mill there. --Tilman 21:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Obviously, if it was a covert operation -- and it likely was -- the public will never know definitively what happened

message: This reads like he was shot by a supergun. Mathiastck (talk) 19:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ;) --Martinor (talk) 09:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: To this end he designed the Project Babylon "supergun" for the Iraqi government. He was shot outside his home in Brussels, Belgium.

message: removed this, saying it was unsourced. --Gwern (contribs) 19:34 10 February 2007 (GMT)
The most common theories are that either; the Israeli Mossad was responsible due to the method used (small-caliber, sound-suppressed pistols), or that it was Iranian Intelligence VEVAK, who had the motive and capacity to easily have it done. Neither VEVAK nor Mossad representatives have denied responsibility for his assassination. Others, including Bull's son, believe that the Mossad is taking credit for an act they did not commit to scare off others who may try to help enemy regimes. The alternative theory is that Bull was killed by the CIA. There are some reports that Bull was demanding both a presidential pardon and money from the CIA or he would disclose all he knew about illegal CIA activities in South Africa. Unwilling to be extorted, it is claimed that the CIA therefore killed Bull. However most experts and analysts believe that either Israeli Mossad or Iranian VEVAK are the key suspected ones behind the assasination. Both strongly had the capacity and motive to stop Saddam from acquiring such an intimidation/terror weapon. A fictionalized version of this story is in the movie Doomsday Gun. Gerald Bull had worked for so many parties in so many critical defence projects that he became an asset and a liability for several powerful groups at the same time.
I don't recall any nation bemoaning his demise. If Israel didn't kill him then any of the listed countries would have been happy to do it, even the UK.
2601:181:8301:4510:2C1E:BF46:FA4D:E500 (talk) 03:16, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed

message: I have no knowledge of this subject, but it seems highly NPOV to me. Are the Israeli accusations true? -- Zoe
: Yep. I'll add a link to the article. What, aren't you familiar with the history of the Mossad? They're like a mini-CIA; they've been active all over the place, and use... well, "controversial" tactics to say the least. Read about what they did to recapture Mordechai Vanunu, for example. Or perhaps read about the Lavon Affair. Or Adolph Eichmann. Or Black September. Or Ahmed Boushiki, or Abu Jihad, or Khalid Meshaal. Heck, there's even some evidence indicating that Elie Hobeika's assasination was committed by the Mossad, although there's not too much evidence. The fact that it came just days after he announced that he was going to testify about Ariel Sharon about the Sabra and Shatila Massacre certainly didn't help, everything else aside. -- Rei
:: Obviously the Mossad must be smaller than the CIA, but "mini-CIA"? Is Britain a "mini-USA"?
: As far as I know, it seems to be an accepted fact that Mossad killed him because the Super Gun had the ability to reach Israel. --24.186.250.37 21:27, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mossad

message: As the popular theory is more than one agency (some conflictory, such as Mossad AND Ministry of Intelligence and National Security of the Islamic Republic of Iran) is responsible, blaming Mossad with what could generously be called incomplete evidence reeks to high Heaven (and low Hell) of anti-Semitism; Anti-Semitism disguised as “journalism” is worse than NaZI propaganda. (The article, as written, is not Anti-Semitic any more than it bashes on everyone else that ‘could’ have been involved, and should be left as-is until evidence otherwise is developed.) 174.25.142.178 (talk) 22:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And your point is....? You seem to be contradicing yourself. First you say 'reeks of anti-semitism' and then the opposite and leave article alone. :S 1812ahill (talk) 02:12, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality Issue

message: I'm not sure if there's a style guide for this but at least for this article we should try to be uniform on how we name intelligence agencies and the countries they belong to, specifically when listing multiple ones. I modified the intro  to try to standardize that list but it still feels clumsy so there may be another better way. Cat-five - talk 04:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They should be referred to by whatever name their nation refers to them as (even if it’s not English). However, there is no set convention in the matter. 22:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uniformity when referring to countries and intelligence agencies 

message: An editor converted a gun size to something he found in Bull's notes regarding the size of a gun. The "convert" template was cast aside. I changed one back. Thinking this through, I would rather go with the notes. If Bull gives a figure (mm, most likely), that should be used. But instead of looking for an exact inches match, just don't convert or convert. Either way, leave a note for future editors why the size may "look funny" in inches. This is  a Canadian article and we can justify using mm first. Student7 (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Converting inches to mm

message: I'm doing an article on Poudreries Reunies de Belgique (PRB) (my draft here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ttiotsw/Test1) but we have here that SRC had a subsidiary of European Poudreries Reunies de Belgique but this ( http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/20/world/mysterious-death-of-owner-then-arms-company-closes.html?pagewanted=2) NYT article says it was a joint-venture in the 1970's with the Belgian munitions company Poudreries Reunies de Belgique (then part of Societe Generale de Belgique) and that the company (Societe Generale de Belgique I guess says this) said it ended the venture when Dr. Bull was sent to jail. The thing is that PRB was known to have sent propellant to Iraq via Jordan in 1989. This suggests that SGB talking crap and that SRC and PRB had a JV, probably just a memorandum of understanding, known within SRC and Bull as "European Poudreries Reunies de Belgique" but for which there is no other legal record that I can find. 
So my change is to remove subsidiary and call it a joint venture and use the NYT article as my reference. OK ? Ttiotsw (talk) 16:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  European Poudreries Reunies de Belgique as a JV with PRB not subsidiary ? 

message: I saw a documentary on his assignation that depicted him as being shot on his own sofa; If this documentary is in error, then they should be ashamed, but I’d like someone to confirm which version of events is correct. 174.25.142.178 (talk) 22:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Probable source for above book claim is from William Lowther's non fiction, <I>Arms and the Man: Dr. Gerald Bull, Iraq, and the Supergun. -From Peter {a.k.a. Vid2vid (talk | contribs)} 20:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: ¿Inside Or Out?

message: I am very surprised there is no page for "full bore" which has two meanings, one, the commonly used synonym for wide open throttle, or anything going "all out", and two, the finned projectile/ rifling used by Bull. Is the latter the origin of the phrase? What is the earliest usage?Drgrit (talk) 04:13, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Bore 

message: During WW2 the Aliies bombed German constructions after the cement had been poured but before it had set. This meant that with the shuttering blown the concrete would flow over the site then set hard.
The Israeli miltary must have been aware of this possibilty and they had the capabilities to blow the site at any time. Did the Mossad ever really need to assasinate Gerald Bull?AT Kunene (talk) 08:39, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bombing the gun 

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message: The assassination section says, <I>One account states he was shot five times in the head and back at point blank range while approaching the door of his apartment in Brussels.[16] Another account states he was shot by a three-man team on March 20, 1990, when he answered the doorbell.[4]</I> -- This book I'm reading called, Soonish, says Dr. Bull was quote, <I>'...found dead in {in March 1990} in a Brussels hotel, with $20,000 on his body.'</I> However, the way this article is written, the tone suggests that {1} there might have been witnesses, plus {2} doesn't mention a hotel {it mentioned a doorbell?} -- Anyone research if reputable newspapers covered the story once InterPol and/or some kind of FOIA cleared the investigation details for public consumption?? -From Peter {a.k.a. Vid2vid (talk | contribs)} 20:08, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Probable source for above book claim is from William Lowther's non fiction, <I>Arms and the Man: Dr. Gerald Bull, Iraq, and the Supergun. -From Peter {a.k.a. Vid2vid (talk | contribs)} 20:14, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soonish, Weinersmith futurism book, re Assassination and Legacy section 

message: Would like to see the original dish use to track the objects shot from the gun?.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.96.83 (talk) 22:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Piece of History  

message: This is a very well written article and could readily become an A-Class / FA article!  
Well done to all contributors thus far.
Farawayman (talk) 15:14, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Well written article