Talk:Lăutari

message: Please add to this article, make it clearer, do some research and add references, this is obviously a suject that has different points of view and this arcticle should be worked on to become clearer ... Some people keep changing it back to an older version with only one point of view, no references, no list of groups and musicians playing musica lautareasca, ect.
I dont believe anybody here is trying to say that lautar = roma and nothing else .... what is being said is that lautar is a romanian word for folk musician playing musica lautareasca(wich is romanian folk music and not gypsy music) so from this first definition a lautar can be any ethnicity,.. but the same word has become the term used by the anthropological community studing roma and by the roma themselves to designate the romanian roma clan of profesional musicans. it is this second definition that seems to really upset some people... I do not understand,... if scholars, books, anthropologist, courts of law, national geographic, the roma themselves use the word lautar to describe a roma clan that this upsets some. the term is obviously romanian, the music is romanian, they live in romania... that is all true. but it is also true that a clan of roma identify themselves as lautari... can they not? ... and can not others call them by the name they give themselves? if they would have called themselves "lawyers" then would people get upset that "lawyers" would be defined as people practicing law and a clan of romanian roma musicians... this sound ridiculous but if you get the idea... they identified themselves as lautari because thats what they were. just like most roma clans they took the name of their occupation,... for example the ursari their clan is called "bear trainer" because thats wath they are. it doesnt mean that every bear trainer is a roma ... and this doesnt mean that every lautar is a roma
                        
Who keeps changing the article? The lauatari SING ROMANIAN MUSIC!!! If your stupid, go somewhere else! They could be gypsy, chinese or somalis, as long as they sing romanian music, for romanians, in romanian, how the hell can you not call it romanian music! 
Are you even romanian? Go and ask any peasant (not a snob city inhabitant), what does lautar mean! Read what it is sayd in the romanian DEX! Anyone who sings "popular music", how it`s called here, it`s a lautar. The gypsy slowly replaced the majority of romanian lautars when they were slaves around the boyars mansions, and after they were liberated from slavery in the 19th century. They didn`t invent this music or brought it to Romania. 
Gypsyes traditional music is different from the one sang by lautars. 
You`re a pathetic victim of the commercial so called "musique de las tsiganes" branding! 
For the last time: STOP EDITING THE ARTICLE!
The content of the links must be verified. The epithet "lautari" has been taken by many interprets, from Poland to Italy or even in Romania by the "manele" singers (please aslo see these sites: http://www.musicalstore.it/frames/nuove%20news/annalisa%20news2002/SPICCHI%20DI%20SICILIA.htm and  http://www.lautari.art.pl/), the original meaning of the word must be kept: "lautar= a person who sings traditional romanian music"
The rest may are just inspired from them, they are not real lautari.
Also, I deleted the "romanian" from "music of Romanian Lautari" because only in Romania you would find lautari. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lupu (talk • contribs) 9 Nov 2005
First at all I would like to say that I see no reason for which you can't have an argument in a civil manner. While I am not an expert, I am a Romanian and I know a few things. Lautars were in great majority Gypies - I would say all because I don't know any Romanian lautars, but they could have been. I think that there is one misunderstanging regarding what the lautars were/are singing/playing - at Romanian weddings and parties of course that they played Romanian music, but that didn't mean by any way that they don't also play Gypsy music at Gypsy weddings/parties or anywhere else at request. While Gypsys are in general in poor regards in Romania, lautars and those who work with precious metals are one of the fews Gypsy groups that are better viewed by the Romanian majority.MihaiC 10:40, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: tired of reverting

message: Is Zamfir in any meaningful sense a lăutar? I realize that his vast repertoire includes some songs associated with lăutari, but it also includes about a dozen songs by Lennon and McCartney, but no one calls him a rock musician. Unless I'm mistaken, he's more or less classically trained. Is there any evidence that he ever worked as a lăutar? - Jmabel | Talk 19:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zamfir 

message: of course that was when marcell cellier discovered him in the 60`s  not when he was on selling those "as seen on TV" records —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JDRich (talk • contribs) 17 August 2006.
: Again, is there any citation on this? He was classically trained (our article on him says he attended the Bucharest Academy of Music, where he was a pupil of Fanica Luca, and the Conservatory of Bucharest (1968)": not exactly a normal background for a lăutar. The article makes no mention of him ever being a lăutar. Are you saying that after (or perhaps before? But he would have been very young) the conservatory he was a lăutar? And do you have some citation on this? - Jmabel | Talk 18:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see, so you're not actually saying he was playing at weddings, etc., just that he was playing music from the repertoire. OK. That I knew. - Jmabel | Talk 23:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  zamphir "was" a lautar 

message: I think we should make a difference between the generic [Romanian] term "Lăutar" and the Roma clan. "Lăutar", according to the DEx ("Dictionarul Explicativ al limbii romane", the most authoritative source on the Romanian language) is formed from "lăută" (meaning lute) and the suffix "-ar", very common in forming occupational names (e.g. morar=miller, from moară=mill + ar). Generally speaking, the -ar suffix originates in the Latin -arius, and expresses a relationship, mainly occupational: , last definition (translation: "referring to...", "one who exercises a profession", "one who is qualified".
A translation of the linked article in DEx: "folkloric musician playing a stringed instrument, or, by extension, any instrument, usually within a band; fiddler"
Names of Roma clans in Romania are usually Romanian occupational names: Căldărar (bucket-maker, căldare=bucket; -aş replaces -ar regionally), Lingurar (spoon-makers, lingură=spoon), Florar (flower sellers, floare=flower) etc.merry (really) 16:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: .. and... Lăutar :) AKoan 14:52, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: Why exactly are we using the plural form, "lăutari", and not "lăutar"? – Andreyyshore (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lăutari"? 

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message: Reading this thread I see the tendency to completely disregard the romanian perspective of cultural preservation. Anyone can partake in cultural arts and contribute to its existence or notoriety, but you can't remove its origins strictly based on numbers, without engaging in misappropriation and ethnic erasure. By percentage there are more white Americans evolved in black culture, that still doesn't transfer its cultural origin or creators, which aren't white. It's still African American culture regardless of the global multicultural engagement. There were significant edits made to this article because it was disingenuous and presented the musical genre as a Rromani creation, which is not an uncommon occurrence in Balkan cultural representation discussions. If you have a problem with ethnic authenticity and cultural autonomy, maybe reassess your values, instead of manically editing an article. Ax022 (talk) 10:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Misappropriation