Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy/Maltese nobility

message: * Starblind's comment withdrawn, and moved to below.
* The licensing of these documents is in question, and the articles may in fact be copyvio. Stating that they are 'used with permission' is not the same as releasing them under the GDFL. Radiant! 15:05, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
* It may be argued that the articles are genealogy, and the adagim is that Wikipedia is not a genealogy database. Radiant! 15:05, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
* Nobility does not imply notability.  A noble title, though noble, may not be notable. Indeed, most titles are unknown to Maltese citizens (pop. c. 400,000), let alone their notability.  Their importance in history, is also contested. Maltesedog 12:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Arguments for deletion

message: * In response to the genealogy argument, it may also be argued that genealogy of nobility is in fact notable. Radiant! 15:05, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
*"Original research" in my mind means something substantially less inclusive than "research I have done."  Looking into obscure byways of history such as noble titles on Malta may be "original research" in the plain-English sense, but is not a "new theory" otherwise unadorned by public noteworthiness within the meaning of the policy.  While I suspect that these articles may need cleanup to make them NPOV and more encyclopedic in tone, they seem reasonably notable and interesting.  Keep these articles as a class.  -- Smerdis of Tlön 17:42, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arguments for keeping

message: *I do worry a bit about the amount of excerpting the author has done from other sources. He says, for example, Some sections excerpted from "Popes Through the Ages" by Joseph Brusher, S.J. Electronic version copyright © 1996 New Advent, Inc.. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 18:22, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other arguments and comments

message: ·  The Adami Collection The Adami Collection
·  Burkes Peerage, Baronetage and Knightage of the UK.-Various editions.
·  Cassar Desain, Marchese L.A., " Genealogia della famiglia Testaferrata di Malta." Malta, 1880.
·  Crispo Albero Genealogical ed Istorico della Famiglia Crispo, Messina, 1797.
·  De Piro, N., "Casa Rocco Piccola", The Conde' Nast Publications 1999.' Http://www.vol.net.mt/casarocca '
·  Gauci,C.A.," The Genealogy and Heraldry of the Noble Families of Malta", Gulf Publishing Ltd, Malta, 1981.
·  Gauci,C.A.," The Genealogy and Heraldry of the Noble Families of Malta, Volume Two", Publishers Enterprises Group (PEG) Ltd, 1992.
·  Gauci,C.A and Mallet, P.,"The Palaeologos Family- A Genealogical Review" ,Publishers Enterprises Group (PEG) Ltd, 1985
·  Gauci, C.A.," A Guide to the Maltese Nobility", Publishers Enterprise Group (PEG) Ltd, Malta, 1986.
·  Giles Ash, S., "The Nobility of Malta", Publishers Enterprises Group (PEG) Ltd, 1988.
Tancarville 0928, 21 July 2006 (EST)
**Agreement Its suggested that my notations of "By Permission...." should be taken out as it doesnt met the standards of Wikipedia. Though I have placed all acceptable references which can all be checked with the respected publishing houses, apart from one book, which was published in the 19th century. There are some nobility pages which are limited with data and those should be considered for deletion, not those where time and effort has been placed in ensuring they meet wikipedia. For gods sakes People read the articles history and see. Respect is hardly used here. Tancarville 0728, 29 July 2006 (EST)
**Keep selectively I hope that Tancarville can go through what he has produced, and identify which persons or families are (and which are not) notable, with a view to removing the latter.  Accordingly Keep for now.  Peterkingiron 23:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Part of the basic problem is the notability of minor nobility, and the question of the importance of titles of this nature to titles elsewhere. I would like some elucidation of the overall structure of the nobility: how many people there are in each rank, and what size their estates may have been. I think this matters by common sense: Malta is a rather small place and they seems quite a lot of people.  We've furthermore held that the rank of people and families corresponding to the English  "Baronet" is not notable, and I wonder if this would be the nearest equivalent of some of them.DGG (talk) 16:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: returning to the discussion