Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season/Archive 27

message: Several TCRs files were renamed to so that the Unnamed report would be in the proper order.  This broke all the TCR refs for storms past Stan. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL212005_Tammy.pdf changed to http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL222005_Tammy.pdf, for example. Someone will need to go through all of them and update where needed, in this and the other articles.  --Ajm81 23:05, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -- RattleMan 23:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TCR Refs 

message: Now all the storms have a 'minimum' standard they need further improvement. Hurricane Irene is forming into the model article for the minor storms, I have put a fair bit of work into Irene's article so far and would appreciate assistance with editing/comments from more of the editors here. There are two specific issues on which I would like to know how people feel, should forecasting info be separated from the storms history (compare with Lee) and is there a better name for "trivia"? --Nilfanion 23:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried changing "Trivia" to "Statistics and records". --AySz88^-^ 23:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have discussed coming up with a consistent name for a section to put information not related to storm history/preparations/impact/aftermath.  However it isn't easy.  "Statistics and records" is decent, but does not cover things like naming of Hurricane Alice (though that could be a subsection of storm history, perhaps) or the censorship of the 1943 Surprise Hurricane (though that could be under preparations, maybe). — jdorje (talk) 07:47, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about "Records and Naming"? 'Statistics' seems incorrect with the ACE removed from the section. This could work out ideally, as it covers all the stuff in Trivia-type sections which cannot be moved to the history (or other bits). In addition it provides a clear place for a discussion of retirement issues. It still doesn't cover the Suprise Hurricane, but Preparations would work (If a lack of warnings due to being redundant is worthy of Preparations, then deliberately withholding them is also). --Nilfanion 09:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Hurricane Irene (2005)|Irene]]

message: I put this up for discussion a few weeks ago, and you guys said that we should wait until all TCR's are out. Now that all reports are done, and all the editing has been made, we should consider making this a spoken article. What do you think? M cappeluti 11:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good, but I'd wait until after the every storm article is completely finished (it's almost there). Hurricanehink 21:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken article 

message: This topic was raised twice above, so I'll continue here.  I contacted someone at the NCDC (National Climatic Data Center) and received a detailed explanation.  In short, the official ACE index definition (which itself arose from something slightly different) does not include "subtropical" or "extratropical" observations, but NCDC includes it in some of their calculations anyway in order to compare data globally, due to questionable reliability of data in the Atlantic and other basins.  Future updates from NCDC may indicate something to this effect.  The question for us is what purpose do we have in tabulating ACE values?  Whatever we decide, we need to update the 2005 articles to meet the official definition (and to be consistent with our pre-2005 data), or update 1950-2004 to facilitate global comparisons (assuming we will eventually have detailed data for more than just the Atlantic).  --Spiffy sperry 19:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good explanation.  Just a reminder: linked from Talk:Accumulated cyclone energy (particularly Talk:Accumulated_cyclone_energy/Atlantic_by_year) are a set of computed ACE values for all historical Atlantic storms (other basins are included, but because of the "questionable reliability" you refer to I wouldn't trust them).  These numbers do not include the subtropical or extratropical portions of the storms, so I believe these are the numbers we should be using. — jdorje (talk) 22:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtropicals and ACE