Talk:Dom people

message: there are many titles for the Dom / domii / dombii tribes such as Ghorbati. Infact many Doms do not use this word. 
Links to this page and mention of the other name whould be included.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  links to here from searches of other titles such as Ghorbati 

message: I propose that unless someone can provide a good reason, the (apparently false) statement about the Dom/Rom relationship be removed from both this page and the Roma People page.
From Dr W.R. Rishi in regard to the Roma:
"Please do not - repeat - not connect them with the Doms, a lower case in India. Please do not distort their name to be pronounced and written as "Rrom" and thus do not falsify their history. It is the duty if Romani media to use ROM as their proper name and not "Rrom" as wrongly advocated by so called "neo-linguists"."
from Roma Nos 42-43, January-July 1995
(But I got it from: http://www.romani.org/rishi/romrroma.html )—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.240.91.230 (talk • contribs) 13:06, 11 December 2006  (UTC) 
:I disagree. I don't think it's appropriate not to mention the fact that the Dom are universally regarded as part of the larger Roma ethnic group, though you may want to add that some Roma don't consider themselves connected with the Dom. The Dom of this article are not simply a "lower caste" in India. This article deals mainly with the groups outside India. Linguistic research shows that the Domari and Romani languages split from a common ancestor in the distant past. See the Dom Research Center for more information about the Dom's relationship to the Roma. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 21:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of the statement about Dom being same as Rom(a) 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "related groups" info removed from infobox 

message: What a bunch of lies... are you seriosus with that source? the hungarian-"doma" Ian Hancock is trying fo falsify history, it can't be taken as a source, any hungarian related sources regarding Gypsies are not reliabe. Hungarians are Romanians most fiercefull enemies and their interest is to proove the name of gypsies is "romani" .
Philologists, who study and analyse languages and their origins, have compared the language that the gypsies speak with Indian languages, and suggest from the similarities that the gypsies originated in the Gangetic plains, from a low caste called Doms and are thus called Roma. This is what the gypsies call themselves, hence the term Roma or Romani gypsies — no connection to Rome or Romania.
http://www.hindu.com/seta/2005/11/17/stories/2005111700041500.htm
Fact supported by Gypsy Linguist from Romania
http://www.cotidianul.ro/index.php?id=15509&art=38690&cHash=e875537b68
Dupa cea mai bine documentata ipoteza [nota 4], termenul provine din cuvantul prakrit "dom" (cu d celebralizat), care insemna "om" si se referea, pe de-o parte, la imigrantii indieni provenind din diverse grupuri etnice, care s-au amestecat si au realizat casatorii mixte in Persia, formandu-se ca popor acolo si pornind apoi spre Europa, iar, pe de alta parte, la un subgrup etnic din India, care exista si astazi.
The most well documented theory is that the term "rom" comes from prakrit "dom" which means man and it reffers on one part of the indian emmigrants coming from varius ethnic groups which mixed in Persia then aheading Europe. On the other part is an indian subgroup from India even in present.
This "well documented theory is that the term "rom" comes from prakrit "dom" which means man" has no real research and evidence when carried throught to a more indepth study. The research and evidence is based solely on the sound of the two words in the English pronounciation and understanding of the words. The only other evidence is the fact that the two have similarities due to them both being Indian in origin. The evidence used is no different to comparing a Bangladeshi living in Europe to a Panjabi living in Europe - both have words in their langue the same, both have a tendancy to work in family shops and both eat rice and similar food and have certain similar customs. A more indepth study of Indian language and customs etc will uncover that the two are not so related other than they are both from the Indian sub-continent. The Ghorbati / Domari speak a language of a different origin to that of the Roms so this in itself proves the two lived independent of each other for some considerable time whilst back in India. In Domari legend they have stories similar to that of the Luri becoming musicians for the king of Persia so it is safe to include this in the Domari section. The Roms however have much more evidence to suggest a much later seperation from India. Roms have many cultural similarities with Rajputs or Banjara and speak words of a definate Panjabi origin. Certain facts in the Romani linguistics and customs point to a possible military origin. Banjara are recorded to have served amongst the miltary ranks alongside Rajputs. The Rajputs were also called Lambadi / Laman /Lamana / Lamani which would explain the possibility of a connection with the Lomavren of Armenia who could have left India at the same time as the Roms but broke away on route into Asia minor (Turkey). So all we are left with in the way of evidence of the dom = rom theory is the fact they are noth of Indian origin (even though hundred of years apart) and the word Rom and Dom in the English use sound similar. It is more likey that the word Rom as in Roman (o/i/e) comes from the Sanskrit word Raman and Lom coms from Lambadi. 
Another obvious overlooked fact is if the Roms are Doms who left at a later time, then why did they leave at a time of hostility in the direction of the enemy? If Banjara and Rajput served i war and followed the silk roads west (or as armies employed as slave soldiers) then it gives explainations the why they came to be in Turkey.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 09:08, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lies, Dom = Rom = The same 

message: Thank you for being correct in the discription and not calling these people "Gypsies" as they have never been to Europe and were mistaken as being Egyptian. There is no evidence to prove any connection between Doms of Asia and the Romani people of Europe other than an Indian origin. There is however evidence to prove the languages have different Indian origins. Many of the Romani words and grammar are of different Indian origin to the Domari words.
Thankyou.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 23:47, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you 

message: It is a fair possibility that the Domi were the same people mentioned in the document dated 961AD written by Persian historian Hamza al-Isfahani reporting that between 429-438AD Shah Bahram V. Gur brought 12,000 Luri singers to Persian from India. 
Amongst Gurbati Doms of Iran and Afghanisthan there are many similar tales to the one descibed by Hamza. Some exactly identical and others similar such as saying they descend from a Persian King who disrespected the prophet Mohammed and so were condemned to a nomadic life.
The Luri it seems became an acepted part of the Persian empire who would have been part of the Persian people at the time that Islam advanced upon the land.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 20:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Domari originally accepted into Persian empire as musicians 

message: If they are of Indian origin, there is hardly anything in the article itself pointing to this. And also, they are NOT the same as the Romani people. --Maurice45 (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Origin 

message: The link in the ref to the Hancock article currently produces a 404 error. This needs fixing. —Zalktis (talk) 09:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken link 

message: Now the the move from "Roma people" to "Romani people" was dome, I wonder whether a "Dom people" to "Domari people" move should be done? Does anybody knows whether Dom/Domari are noun/adjective? AKoan (talk) 13:40, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dom people to Domari people? 

message: Why it that so many Gaje (non-Romani) try and state this lie that Rom means 'man'. That is like saying that Englishman in English also means man.Englishman means a man of English blood / heritage. Man in English means 'man'.
Rrom is the word for a male within the group. It does not mean 'man'. In Romani we have the word Manush which means man.
Saying Rom means man is like saying that Jatt in Panjabi means 'man'. Jatt is the name for a male member of the Jatt lineage and a female is a jattni / Jattani. The same way a male of Romani lineage is a Rrom and a female is a Romni. 
The only difference being is that a man within the Romani group is only called a Rrom when he is married and respected. Prior to being a Rrom, a Romani male is called a Chavo which is a word meaning offspring / kinsman / one's own (from Sanskrit sva / sava meaning the same - 's' becomes 'ch' and 'a' became 'o' via Rajasthani regional corruption). 
Rom also means husband in Romani. The old word for marriage in Romani is "Ramada". English Romani speaking the broken language which mixes Romani with English say it as 'Rommered'. Ram / Raman in Sanskrit also means husband so it is obvious that the root of the word Rom / Roman(o/i/e) is Ram / Raman.
There is also the word Goro / Gero which is a word only used for a non-Romani man (obviously from Indian word Gora meaning 'pale skin')
This whole statement that Rom means man is a lie that got written by someone trying to say Dom = Rom and it has been mistaken as fact and has been wrongly been repeated.
The fact is a Rom is a Romani man the same way an Englishman is a man who is English.
Tsigano (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rrom in Romani language does not mean 'Man' 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: "The worldwide used name for Gypsies to identify themselves is the term "Htom"
This is nonsense and the source given for that is rather obscure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.151.29 (talk) 22:37, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Htom"? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 00:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 20 May 2022 

message: Which reliable source is given that Domari are have jewish religion or christian religion?
Since when and where, and which Dom group?
Where in Israel are domari groups who are jews?
Where in egypt , domari are christian like the copts?
In this source its clearly given the Domari in Israel are Muslim and speak Arabic
https://www.domarisociety.com/what-is-domari 
Also in this source in germany the domari are given as Muslim, only trigh evangelical christian mission some families became christians.
https://www.30tagegebet.de/archiv/gebetskalender-2017/die-domari-im-nahen-osten/
Rom baro (talk) 12:31, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion