Talk:Badr Hari

message: I changed the part of Badr being sidelined for a year. Firstly he fought again 6 months later and secondly sidelined implies being unable to fight. To fight you need to train and Hari would have been training for a few months before his return 6 months after the Graham fight. Boils (talk) 12:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sidelined for a year 

message: Is he actually a citizen of Morocco? He's even listed in the tournaments by flag under Morocco, when I'm pretty sure it should be the dutch flag-- even if he still had moroccan citizenship, which I don't believe he does.66.190.29.150 (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  He does, since it is impossible to get rid of it. I think it's his own choice to fight under Moroccan flag though. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 19:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: moroccan nationality?

message: In the heading it says Hari was 'stripped' of his title, which I think is incorrect. He was disqualified during the match, therefore he never won the title, therefore it can't be stripped from him. I've changed the text. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 19:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He was stripped of his heavyweight championship and the "title" of being the runner-up in the GP. --aktsu (t / c) 19:54, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I didn't know that. It doesn't say so in the article currently linked to, but if you have a source feel free to add it in. Cocytus Antenora (talk) 09:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  http://www.k-1.co.jp/k-1gp/b08_1217.htm Here is a source that states that he was stripped from the title. Can someone else please add this (and remove the part that states  he is heavyweight champion) (my english sucks) Hmmmmmz (talk) 11:50, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stripped of title? 

message: After being knocked down by Karaev in the second round, Hari stood back up, slipped a punch and delievered a KO blow with a straight right to Karaev.[5]
Despite being knocked out, Hari was once again picked as a reserve fighter in the K-1 Grand Prix 2006 Finals against Paul Slowinski. He won the fight by unanimous decision.
I'm pretty sure that in that sentence Karaev is mistaken for Hari, in the official results it says that Hari was the one knocked out and from the next sentence it's pretty clear that's what happened I think it's just a typing mistake. I'll exchange the names in that sentence and hope I didn't do some unintentional damage.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dux667 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 GP Osaka Mistake 

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message: "Under Harinck, Hari developed into one of the greatest kickboxing talents of the Netherlands."...pov
Antonio the ruler Martin (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  pov 

message: The article says that:
"In April 2012, new K-1 Global President Mike Kim announced that Hari would make his comeback under the organization's banner. Hari's first fight was on May 27, 2012 in Madrid, Spain against Anderson "Braddock" Silva. Hari won the bout via unanimous decision. Badr Hari is scheduled to participate in K-1's final qualifications in October in Asia and the K-1 World Grand Prix Final in New York in December."
There is no citation for this; the citations that were originally linked to these sentences had nothing to do with either of them. Can someone update the article with information regarding Badr Hari's future that has adequate citations?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.189.9 (talk) 19:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Lacking for Badr Hari's Future 

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message: For the last 2 days I have tried to update Badr Hari's record, providing sources to back this up, but some other users keep reverting the changes. The argument I'm making is very simple: Hari does not have a record with 106 wins and 92 (T)KOs, and the numbers presented are as good as impossible unless the most popular and famous kickboxer in the world managed to fight in dozens of fights that nobody seems to remember and he won virtually all of these fights by (T)KO.
Unfortunately, nearly all my sources consist of actual footage of the fights hosted on Youtube, which Wikipedia doesn't allow me to link to. Therefore, I have included the name of the videos, so anyone can look them up themselves.
The first time a record of Hari is mentioned is in the 2003 documentary "Vechtershart", produced by Dutch broadcaster IKON. The documentary starts just before Hari's fight with Karim Mrabet and states his record is 35-1 with 25 (T)KOs ("1/2 Badr Hari (18year) & Tom Harinck documentary").  The documentary is obviously filmed in 2002, with the move to Pancration being shown. The fight Hari has after the Mrabet fight, his second fight with Ahmet Lakus, is also shown in the documentary. I think we can safely assume that Hari and Harinck, Hari's trainer at the time, wouldn't purposely downplay the number of wins Hari had on his record, so 35-1 it is at the time of the Mrabet fight, which he goes on to lose.
It's only 6 months after the Mrabet fight that Hari makes his It's Showtime debut against Alexey Ignashov, going 3-1 in the meantime, and with all the attention he started to get from then on it's nearly impossible that any fights he had went under the radar. Between the Ignashov fight and his K-1 debut against Stefan Leko, Hari wins 7 fights and loses his first match to Leko. From that moment onward he only fights in the world's biggest organisations. Between then and his "retirement fight" against Gökhan Saki, he won 21 fights with 18 (T)KOs and lost 7. This would put his record going into the 2012 Saki fight at 66-12 with 48 (T)KOs. But, when he's announced at the event, his record is announced as being 88-10 with 77 (T)KOs ("Its Showtime 2012 Badr Hari vs Gokhan Saki"). This would mean there are 29 fights missing from his record which he had all won by (T)KO, not to mention the 2 losses that have miraculously disappeared.
Then, in 2013, 2 fights after the Saki fight, Hari fights Zabit Samedov in Moscow and is announced as having fought 111 fight and winning 100 fights ("Badr hari vs Zabit Samedov 2014 HD 1080"). In the 16 months following the Saki fight, Hari went 2-0 against Anderson Braddock Silva and Samedov, but also miraculously gained another 9 wins on his record!
In Glory, Hari is now presented as having a 106-14 (92 (T)KOs) record http://www.glorykickboxing.com/fighters/badr-hari:97ce2867-14ae-4743-8225-8a122902b4a1. Between the Saki fight, in which, once again, his record was announced as 88-10 with 77 (T)KOs, and now, Hari has only won 7 fights (4 (T)KOs), lost 4 and had 1 fight turned into a No Contest. Once again, the numbers don't add up. He has too many wins, too few losses, and he can't possibly has won that many fight by (T)KO, unless one of the most popular kickboxers in the world managed to literally have dozens of fights that completely went without anyone mentioning them and winning all of them by (T)KO.
So, what is Hari's real record? Whether the 35-1 (25 (T)KOs) mentioned in "Vechtershart" was his real record in 2002 is unverifiable, but there's also nothing to disprove it, unlike his records against Saki and in Glory. If we believe the record provided by Hari and Harinck and add verified fights, we get a record of 74 wins with 53 (T)KOs, 16 losses, 0 draws, and 1 No Contest. Taking the above into account, I propose Hari's record on his Wikipedia page is either changed to just reflect the fights that are verified or the verified fights plus his record in the documentary.
Kipjes (talk) 10:45, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi! You are definitely entitled to fix his record. Badr fought in Europe, not in Morocco, and cannot justify dozens of fights. He wouldn't be the first anyway, but if we have evidence he holds another record like this, you should post it. I hope the fanatic Moroccan IP stops threatening you, because for this you don't even need any consensus or at least goodwill. Just saying that extra 35-1 is a lot to close the eyes. .karellian-24 (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

text: I agree with you on a consensus. Wikipedia relies on evidence. Unfortunately the promotions rely on Wikipedia. The fighter from Suriname that faced Rigters also had a fake record. Unfortunately these fanboys will keep reverting it, getting involved into a war of edits. My plan on Wikipedia is to be discreet (and maximum to get protection for pages) but it's not fair to cannibalise articles. I mean, somebody is even changing his results. .karellian-24 (talk) 19:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: There are kickboxers on their first fights, and they already "own" a 15-0 record or so. But Badr was probably +30 up in plus (extra). I know Badr since the 2000s, and if really started his professional career in 2000 then this record is totally fake. =)) :D How to fight 35 times in 14 months? Not just that Hari's record is exposed by anyone with some logic, but you also have evidence. It's a pushed lie! .karellian-24 (talk) 20:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The curious case of Badr Hari's record. 

message: The Moroccan fans have totally erased the suspensions for doping of Badr Hari. What is this, now he is only a guy with legal problems? Just violent and that's all, at the end of the article? In the beginning, everything was deleted. Zbreller (talk) 18:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Moroccan fans have totally erased the suspensions for doping of Badr Hari 

message: This article has persistent vandalism. .karellian-24 (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fans deleted his loss to the Polish