Talk:Torii Mototada

message: In my extensive rewrite of this article, I felt that this document is valuable, but ought not be included in the encyclopedia article proper. Thus I am preserving it here. The source, as indicated by the previous primary contributor(s) to the article, is William Scott Wilson's "Ideals of the Samurai: Writings of Samurai Warriors" (1982)  LordAmeth 01:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FULL TEXT OF TORII MOTOTADA'S FINAL LETTER 

message: I've noticed that there's a lot of info on the Bushido page that seems like it would be a good merge with the Torii Mototada page. I propose that some (if not all) of this info is transferred across to this page. Any objections? --OzzieB 08:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good. As long as the focus of this here article remains Torii Mototada, and not bushido... LordAmeth 12:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bushido page - merging some info 

message: While I can certainly corroborate the facts presented in this article with my sources (Sansom, Turnbull, others), the actual text presented here is not theirs, nor my own. どうしようかな。LordAmeth 18:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Near the end of the first section: "Tokugawa Ieyasu would raise an army of 90,000 and confront Pro-Toyotomi forces at Sekigahara in open battle on the Kanto plain".  Sekigahara was fought neither on a plain, nor in the Kanto.  It was fought in a valley in Mino province. Maproom 19:51, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Site of Sekigahara 

message: Every source I've found on Torii Mototada suggests quite a different take of events. Actually, there was apparently trechery within his ranks, which accordingly mounted the odds against him.
Here's one... 
Mototada served Tokugawa Ieyasu from childhood (whom he attended to while both were hostages of the Imagawa at Sumpu) and was served in many campaigns, including Nagashino (where he helped erect that battle's well-known palisades) and the abortive 1585 attempt to bring Sanada Masayuki of Shinano into line. Following the 1590 Odawara Campaign he was given a fief in Shimosa (Yahagi, 40,000 koku) and at the opening of the Sekigahara Campaign (1600) was entrusted with Fushimi castle (Yamashiro province). Once hostilities commenced, Fushimi was besieged on 27 August and fierce fighting continued until 8 September, at which point, with his garrison all but eliminated and undone by treachery, Mototada committed suicide. His final parting with Ieyasu just prior to the start of the campaign (made in the knowledge of the inevitability of Mototada's death) was said to have been quite moving, and the news of his death reportedly saddened Ieyasu greatly. 
http://wiki.samurai-archives.com/index.php?title=Torii_Mototada  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.165.41 (talk) 21:15, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factually inaccurate? 

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