Talk:Mario Strikers Charged

message: Could someone put this in?
http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/mariostrikerschargedfootball_2.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Masternimbus (talk • contribs) 
:Not with that "Aussie-nintendo.com" text in it, do you have a different pic? TJ Spyke 22:49, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can do for now, but eventually it will be replaced by a better pic (like a straight on one, rather than tilted sideways). TJ Spyke 21:00, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Personally, I prefer the NA boxart. TJ Spyke 21:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd oppose the switch for the same reason as listed below.  I generally support the original english language cover art, similar issues have been discussed at Talk:Wii_Play#Cover_art_again. - hahnchen 17:54, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Boxart

message: Judging from the silhouettes in the image of the cptn select screen, Bowser Jr will probably also be a playable character. Knuckles sonic8 01:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still speculation though and hsould not be added in. TJ Spyke 01:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I know that - I wasn't planning on adding it. I was just making a comment. Knuckles sonic8 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: You do know this section is 9 months old, before he was confirmed? TJ Spyke 23:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Next Character

message: I heard that Diddy Kong is confirmed to be here, I have no sources so I won't post it although one of the captain's silhouttes looks exactly like him. Guess who i am 03:14, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same with Bowser Jr., as I mentioned earlier, and Waluigi. Knuckles sonic8 22:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New captain confirmed?

message: New sections have appeared regarding the characters and although I have helped a bit by editing it to remain consistent with a format, I'm a little skeptical as to whether or not these should be included in the article. If the decision is not to, let's just post speculatory comments here of Rumored Characters and Sidekicks. How does that sound? Knuckles sonic8 13:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rumored sections don't help the article as anybody can make a rumor. I think speculation should stay here (or preferably on messageboards) and only confirmed character listed in the article. TJ Spyke 19:41, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: i dont think that pikachu would be in this game... why's he on the list? 66.189.47.0 15:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism. TJ Spyke 23:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone thought a silhouette was Pikachu. One of them sure looks like him. Evan1109 19:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This game also has Diddy Kong who isn't in any Mario game. Pikachu is a Nintendo character so it would have been possible. But since this game has been released a while ago, we all know he's not in it and this discussion is no longer important. 194.78.37.122 15:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, Diddy Kong was in Mario Power Tennis and Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (for example). TJ Spyke 01:06, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pikachu? 

message: I found what appears to be a screen shot of the character (or at least the captain) selection screen. Does anyone think they can make out any of the characters? 
I also came across this: , which might just be the side kick characters.
I think that the right of Donkey Kong might be Waluigi with a game face on, then Luigi to his right with a suprides look on his face, and under Bowser it has to be Yoshi, and under Peach it could be Diddy Kong jumpin or something, and the other ones I have no clue. --Jak 16:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Answers is a mirror of Wikipedia (i.e. what shows up here shows up there). That image used to be in this article until it was deleted because whoever uploaded it didn't provide the source for the pic. Look higher up on this talk page, where this is discussed. TJ Spyke 20:17, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Selection Screen 

message: Why is there such a prominance given for the Australian release date? It is mentioned in the first paragraph whilst other release dates are omitted. H7dders 12:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Australia is the only region with an announced release date. Others will be added when they are announced. TJ Spyke 21:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo Europe gives the release date as 25. 05. 2007 and this is already mentioned in the box on the right-hand side, (with reference). My question is why does the Australian release date appear in the main body of the article, whilst the others do not? Surely there is no reason why the Oz release date should be mentioned twice. H7dders 08:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't anymore. It looks like it was removed when the European release date was added. TJ Spyke 08:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Dates 

message: British footballing father son duo Ian Wright and Shaun Wright-Philips have signed up to be the faces of Nintendo's forthcoming Wii soccer game, Mario Strikers Charged Football. Should this be in the article ?  Bencey 00:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Promotion

message: Seeing as how this game is coming out in Europe first, and because the sport is much more popular in those countries, the title and wording of the article should be based on the EU name and Queen's English. Comments? - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even when the game was announced (in Europe) last summer, they called it "Mario Strikers Charged". It wasn't until a few months ago that they came out with "Mario Strikers Charged Football". I think it should stay at the current name. TJ Spyke 05:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty irrelevant; the fact that they are using Mario Strikers Charged Football now instead of their original name is relevant. Regardless of what it once was, that's irrelevant to the group of people this game will appeal to the most. It's not like the Wii or Mario is particularly less popular in Europe - they're just as, if not more popular there than in NA at present. It's only fair to give preference in this case. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Game came out first with the name "Mario Strikes Charged Football", so that should be the title of the article. Encouraging to see the box art is for the first name though. --Oscarthecat 15:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Coconutfred73, could you elaborate?  Without further details your argument is a bit flimsy!  Thanks, --Oscarthecat 17:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Huh?  The en.wikipedia.org is short for English. This isn't a US Wiki. It never was a US wiki. --Oscarthecat 17:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Coconut's argument is that every article on Wikipedia should be at its US name.  Naturally, he's wrong. Tubestime 17:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: What US language is that?  There's so many : take a look at the impressive Indigenous languages of the Americas article.  However, on a serious note, there's a comprehensive discussion of the english language variants at WP:ENGLISH, with details of when which variant is most appropriate.  Regards, --Oscarthecat 18:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oscar, unlike you I will use WP guidelines to support my case. WP Guidelines say that when there is more than one valid English title (like there is here), we go with what the original author and/or first major contributor used. That is "Mario Strikers Charged", the reason the European boxart is up is because that is the first one made available. TJ Spyke 20:47, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you stop just saying "WP guidelines" and go and read up on what you're trying to cite?  The "original contributor" argument applies to language and titles, and in both cases is the last thing to draw on.  In fact, the title should be set to reflect the most common version of the name.  Of course, until we know sales figures for the US and the rest of the world, we won't know which the most common name is.  But since it's not even out in the US yet, we can probably make a good guess! Tim (Xevious) 08:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: TJ - so where there is more than one valid English title, we go with original text regardless of whether it's the more widely used one? WP guidelines make pretty good sense most of the time, are you sure you're interpreting this correctly? --Oscarthecat 09:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Can someone please find a bigger picture of the US boxart? --Coconutfred73 01:20, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will. It was just revealed a few days ago, so sites like Amazon (which usually have big pictures of box arts) might not have it yet. TJ Spyke 01:22, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Why was the European boxart outright removed? The NA version isn't out, the EU version is, and the sport is indisputably more notable in EU than NA. There's giving NA preference, and then there's just completely wiping EU being of any relevance to the game from the article. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I suppose both could be used (like we do for the Brain Age/Brain Training article). TJ Spyke 05:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Under Wikipedia fair use guidelines, we can't use both. No idea why Brain Training/Brain Age hasn't had that one altered. Tim (Xevious) 17:19, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because to use one or the other is synonymous with "this name is more official than the other". - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US boxart

message: The server for online play has now crashed two nights in a row. Is this worth mentioning in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blue Typhoon (talk • contribs) 
:Not really. TJ Spyke 23:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are conversations on messageboards about this (like wiichat.com). There are too many players and Nintendo's servers can't handle this. I think an 'Online issues' article wouldn't be a bad idea. 194.78.37.122 10:04, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once there are reliable sources reporting it, then maybe. Messageboard gossip is not reliable. A writeup by IGN or the like, that's another matter. —C.Fred (talk) 12:42, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online server crashes 

message: I do not think all the text in the article have been changed to use current sense.
That is, not "the game will feature" but "the game features" and so on.--Henke37 20:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future sence 

message: Some people think the ball looks way too like Samus Aran's Morphball form to be just a coincidence, while I do not own the game yet, the ball on the boxart does look very much like her. --Henke37 20:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be original research, so it can't be mentioned in the article. TJ Spyke 20:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samus as ball? 

message: The Boxart is not the american boxart. Here is the actual boxart for the game http://gonintendo.com/?p=18442. If you agree that this should be posted, could someone post it?--Scotty12 21:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No offense, but this really shows NA bias. The NA version isn't out so the box art for it could very well be tentative, while that box art is the final box art in several regions. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: The boxart may not be the American boxart, but this is not the American Wikipedia. Hope this helps. Tim (Xevious) 15:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care about the boxart, but stop saying "American". Both the United States AND Canada share the same boxart/names/etc. for video games. Mexico usually gets the same box too. Basically, it's North America (I know some people from Canada have complained of similar things). TJ Spyke 00:25, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. :) Bladestorm 00:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, hi, North American. And guess what one of the short versions of that is? It's American. Canadians don't like to be labeled as such, but the term more accurately describes North Americans than denizens of the US. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "American" is almost always used to desribe someone from the US. When discussing covers, i've seen many people )inlcuding you ALTTP) say "US cover", like it's only the USA that uses the cover when it's actually multiple countries. TJ Spyke 02:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well then here's a turnabout - you referred to the boxart as the European boxart, when it's the PAL boxart. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen a couple of instances where Australia had a different boxart then Europe, but I admit that I usually just say European. TJ Spyke 06:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the point here is a little sensitivity to canadian editors. Whether or not it's technically accurate to refer to citizens of both the americas as "american" is beside the point. Yes, we know this. But, the fact is, canadians don't like being called american. That's just how it is. It has nothing to do with disliking americans (heck, my girlfriend's american). It's simply a bit of sensitivity. I think it shows great character on spyke's part to even concern himself with such things. Normally, it's only canadians who would care how canadians feel. That said, I'm not really contributing anything to the article by saying this, I suppose. So I'll shut up about it now. :) Anyways, have you requested input from the videogame project on the subject of the proposed move yet? Bladestorm 14:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Except... the australian markets and european markets are separate. Sometimes they overlap. Sometimes, they don't. (heck, what about all that virtual console stuff for the wii?) PAL is just a tv signal standard, isn't it? It certainly isn't the same as lumping canadians in with americans. Also, (and I don't know if this applies to spyke or not, but it certainly applies to me) I don't even keep track of when PAL does or doesn't even apply anymore. I tend to focus on DS games more than Wii games. Does the DS even have PAL? Not that I can tell. So we should talk about the european version of big brain academy if it's the DS game, and the PAL version if it's the wii game? Argh, so confusing! Whoops... I was going to shut up, wasn't I? Anyways, have you requested input from the videogame project on the subject of the proposed move yet? Bladestorm 17:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: South Africa is in PAL, and certainly not a part of Europe. Besides the PEGI logo, they're the exact same. And no, I haven't yet done so. Be a peach and do that? I have to brb. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:33, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the confusion comes from the fact that people sometimes mistake "region of publication" with "publisher". South Africa is clearly not a part of Europe, but aren't games released in South Africa released by the European division of the publishing companies? Like, say, Nintendo "of Europe" for Nintendo games. Kariteh 20:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't noticed, the vast majority of video game articles on the English Wikipedia have the English NTSC boxart if one is available. And there is one at GameFAQs that is fair use. I'm not seeing why the PAL version is any more of the "original" and I'm merely trying to make everything consistent now that the NTSC release IS out. --GaeMFreeK 03:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Boxart

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Okay, so the last move debate had some rather long, drawn-out discussions involving only three people. That's a bit much for people new to the discussion to read. To that end, I'd just like to summarize arguments for and against here, to make it easier for people to follow along.
By all means, feel free to add other arguments, but I make two requests:
#Please put discussion in the discussion section, not the arguments section. This is just to keep the primary arguments easy to read.
#Please add new arguments to the end of the respective list. This is so that people can refer to "#3 for support", without having "#3" changing into a different referred argument.
===The issue===
Whether the article would be best-served by having it listed by its current title (Its north american name: "Mario Strikers Charged"), or by its european name ("Mario Strikers Charged Football").
A Support indicates that you wish to move to "Mario Strikers Charged Football".
A Oppose indicates that you do not wish to perform the move.
===Supporting arguments===
#The game is currently only available in PAL regions. (With a NA release over a month away)
#The PAL version contains the North American version, and thus can be considered an expanded version of the title.
#More coverage seems to focus on the PAL title, which implies greater recognizability.
#Google hits tend to favour "Mario Strikers Charged Football".
#It is currently advertised in these regions (Europe, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand).
===Opposing arguments===
#MoS tends to favour the style of the earliest major contributor to the article.
#MoS further tends to favour the current stable choice of style over changing solely for stylistic reasons.
#The game has been listed by its north american title in EBs and GameStops for some time, and has been the subject of coverage by this title.
#It's a Canadian game, and the title in Canada is "Mario Strikers Charged".
#"Mario Strikers Charged" takes a style-independent approach for dealing with the soccer/football issue. See Opportunities for commonality.
#"Mario Strikers Charged" is a shorter title, and thus easier to remember and search for.
===Discussion===
Please discuss Supporting or Opposing arguments here. This is also a good place to request clarification.
*For clarification, I don't think #6 in the opposing arguments is a good argument; it's simply something that I see somewhat often when considering page titles. Bladestorm 18:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 20:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reboot on the Move 

message: Please discuss Supporting or Opposing arguments here. This is also a good place to request clarification.
*For clarification, I don't think #6 in the opposing arguments is a good argument; it's simply something that I see somewhat often when considering page titles. Bladestorm 18:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Please include your (non)votes here, and a quick reason why.
*Move. MoS suggests we stay at the original title when in doubt, and superior news coverage isn't a secondary argument by any means. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 20:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: !Votes

message: Please will you modify the parts that categorise the players as their "playing-type" like attacking, defensive etc. I feel that there shouldn't be reference to the characters' specific skills within the game or too much minutiae about their abilities. Other stuff like the list of available stages also strays far too close to game-guide material. Thank you. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a point-by-point description of the characters' special moves is certainly unsuitable; it's doubtful whether there should be any description of this type of thing at all. Ashnard Talk Contribs 19:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game-guide and Minutiae. 

message: This game utilizes the Wi-Fi function, so why do you insist on keeping it absent from the list? Link 486 13:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please stop deleting this from the Wii online games list 

message: Pokemon Battle Revolution is the first Wii game to use WiFi outside of Japan.
:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but has that game evn been released yet? Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it hasn't been released in Europe yet. Outside of Japan, Mario Strikers Charged was released first , if you look on their respective articles. I think the confusion has came because this was released after Pokemon in America. Yet people are forgetting that this was released in Europe before that was released in America. Ashnard Talk Contribs 15:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the first WiFi Wii outside of Japan 

message: The article should have the regular Mario Strikers Charged box not the Mario Strikers Charged Football 
box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.67.128.65 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 25 July 2007
:You say "confusing for Americans" yet you are aware of the different naming in between the different regions so It's obviously not confusing for you. This really isn't an issue. Ashnard Talk Contribs 16:02, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, there's no reason not to have it. Ashnard Talk Contribs 21:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: "Almost all of the articles at Wikipedia about multi-region games have images of their American boxarts" is just plain wrong, I'm afraid. Tim (Xevious) 17:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it's true. Almost every game that has been released in multiple regions (and has been released in North America) has the North American boxart. TJ Spyke 20:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would argue that it's not true, unless you're going to be very wooly with your definition of "almost all".  In any case, it matters not; Wikipedia has a policy on not being North-American-biased, and so there is no reason to alter this boxart. Tim (Xevious) (talk) 22:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing for Americans

message: This section is very poorly written. As I know barely anything about the game, I think someone else should do it. MamaWaluigi 03:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia's not about cramming all the information in as possible. All game-guide and In-universe material has been omitted. If you want to know everything within a game, then go to a gaming wikia. Ashnard Talk Contribs 07:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: The CERO rating has been flip-flopping of late. The latest change adds a source, which is good--except it's a picture at a blog site, so I think we need to . 
While I think we need a better source, IMHO, we have a source now. Accordingly, I think any further changes need to cite a source at the time the change is being made, otherwise it risks being reverted as disruptive. —C.Fred (talk) 16:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CERO rating 

message: Donkey Kong wears shoulderpads similar to those used in the NFL, and his number, 55, is displayed across his stomach.  55 is also the number worn by Miami Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter, who has a bit of a history of walking around before games with his jersey rolled up over his stomach.  It may be just a minor tribute, but has anyone noticed any other similarities from other captains' numbers/appearance?  Slurms MacKenzie 07:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Number shout-outs?

message: I hear people talking about how you can't play this game online against people from other regions. Is that true, is it a glitch, or is it just a hoax? If it's true that online play is restricted to your region, woild that be important enough to put in the article? (I came here to find out if it's true or not, and I couldn't find it in the article.) Ron Stoppable (talk) 20:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can play against specific people by using their friends code, but for reasons of lag playing against randoms defaults to regional settings.  Tim (Xevious) (talk) 07:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Both in this discussion and in the article, I believe someone should define what is meant by "region".  Is it the technical term used for DVDs and the like (ie, Region 1, Region 2, etc), or is it a geographic term (ie, same city, state, timezone, etc).  If the latter, what precisely is a "local region"? 72.231.170.93 (talk) 15:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's meant by the region used for most video games (i.e. North America, PAL, Japan/Asia). I can verify that though, so don't take my word for it. TJ Spyke 00:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online region incompatibility? 

message: There has been some back and forth on this article about whether it is appropriate to list the Open Dynamics physics engine in the "engine" field for this game.   In game development, when the term "engine" is used it specifically refers to the broader "game engine" and not the more specific "physics engine" component of the technology.   Yes, Open Dynamics was used for the physics on this game (as seen in the instruction manual), but to state that the entire game is somehow built on a physics engine is incorrect. 
It would be appropriate to list "engine" and "physics engine" seperately. 
Saying that Stikers is built on Open Dynamics is like saying that an Automobile's engine is the motor that controls it's winshield wipers. - Open Dynamics is just a small portion of a larger whole.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.167.101 (talk) 00:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between "game engine" and "physics engine"  

message: "Kritter cannot be controlled by the player except when he has the ball or is defending against a Mega Strike. He is generally not affected by items (exceptions: Daisy's spikes affect kritter, Bowser's fire affects Kritter). Kritter does not run around uncontrollably when on fire, although the fire prevents him from catching the ball with his hands. Players cannot move Kritter outside the goalie box. However, the player is able to control Kritter when he has the ball in his possession."
Is it just me or does the last sentence say the exact same thing as the first...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.213.198 (talk) 19:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kritter has the ball! 

message: came out in europe first, so should have the first official english name: Mario Strikers Charged Football Lu-igi board (talk) 21:43, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Where it came out first doesn't matter, and this issue has been discussed. The article has been at this name and stable for over 2 years, so WP:ENGVAR goes against moving it and says it should stay at the current name, which IS official. TJ Spyke 23:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: name

message: Should this be called Mario Strikers Charged Football I ask because the game was released in Europe before America and Canada
Pdiddyjr (talk) 20:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please consult the numerous and lengthy discussions above to understand what the consensus is. Salvidrim! 22:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming?