Talk:Elbit Systems

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thread_title:  Blacklisted Links Found on the Main Page 

message: The last paragraph of the intro says Elbit is traded over the counter in the US, but then gives a NASDAQ symbol. The OTC article says that means trading "without the supervision of an exchange", but NASDAQ is an exchange. That's a contradiction, surely. Shouldn't the article just say "traded on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange and the NASDAQ"? -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 19:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  OTC in US or not? 

message: insufficient notability  for a separate article.  DGG ( talk ) 04:24, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with the Above. Everysight has gotten significant coverage independent of Elbit. Attack Ramon (talk) 00:20, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Everysight]] 

message: I miss the money for the book  „The Bulgarian Army and the Rescue of Bulgaria's Jews, 1941–1944“. https://www.thenation.com/article/world/holocaust-bulgaria-elbit/ Falkmart (talk) 13:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing 

message: I am surprised there is no section dedicated to "Criticism of Elbit Systems". Even internet service providers have criticism sections. Here is a list of critical claims made of Elbit Systems by organizations:
1. Human rights violations: Elbit Systems has been accused of complicity in human rights violations against Palestinians. The company produces surveillance systems, weapon systems, and other equipment used by the Israeli military during its operations in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem.
2. Role in the occupation: Elbit Systems’ products contribute to the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories, leading to accusations of complicity in war crimes and violations of international law.
3. Profiting from conflict: Critics argue that Elbit Systems’ profits come at the expense of Palestinians who are adversely affected by its products.
4. Lack of transparency: Elbit Systems has been criticized for its lack of transparency in disclosing its business activities in the occupied Palestinian territories.
5. Boycotts and divestments: Activists worldwide have called for boycotts and divestments of the company as part of broader campaigns for Palestinian rights.
6. Use of drone technology: The company has also faced criticism for its use of drone technology in wars around the world. Critics argue that the technology could be used to commit human rights violations and violate privacy rights. spartymantz (talk) 20:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section needed: Criticism of Elbit Systems 

message: e.g.
* https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/security-aviation/2022-11-18/ty-article/.premium/israels-elbit-sytems-unveiled-micro-suicide-drone-and-it-has-a-mother-ship/00000184-84d2-dd3b-a5bf-c4d6e2880000
* https://elbitsystems.com/product/lanius/
* briefly referenced at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition
Although there doesn't seem to be much public information about its use ...
--Bbolker (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add info/links about Lanius (micro suicide drone) ? 

message: I'm not getting into any debate on this - but I think the term is actually -  'disinvestment'  BeingObjective (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So Ethical  'disinvestment'. BeingObjective (talk) 21:10, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Consulting Wiktionary, 'divestment' means to sell current assets, and describes 'disinvestment' as a weaker form meaning to reduce investment in or cease making any more investment in something. So 'divestment' seems to be the one needed in the article.   signed, Willondon (talk)  21:14, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay - not how I interpreted it - I think sticking in EHTICAL might be a good thing - IMHO. BeingObjective (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: ETHICAL - oops! BeingObjective (talk) 21:26, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fairly sure it is 'disinvestment' 

message: I took a gander at tackling the advertisement warning on the article. The old writeup was honestly atrocious, it read like a copy-and-paste of several press releases. I tried to keep as much of the actual info in there while getting rid of the fluff and puffery, but there were needless details that I went back and then cropped out again because of how forced they were in the first place. 
Originally I had planned to do two separate runs, one of for the corporate speak and another for the structure but it was all just too enmeshed and I wound up doing one big revision.. sorry! The content was just all over the place, with recent US stuff jammed into the top but then a separate and longer section on US corporate info and a few military contracts later on in the "global presence" list so I just put everything but Israel in the "global presence" section. Israel stuff was weirdly missing given that this is the largest weapons manufacturer in Israel, so I ended up adding that in as part of the change.
I left the advertising template in there, if you guys think the corporate and pr speak has been sufficiently dialed down, we can yank it.
Mahmoud (talk) 03:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your edits were very helpful-- thank you. I plan to do a bit more cleanup, but then I plan to take off the tag. There are some issues where corporate/PR sources are the only source for a claim, but those don't necessarily mean we need a tag for the whole article. Wracking talk! 05:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Okay, I think I finished my edits, which involved a pretty big overhaul of the article's organization. I hope it makes sense, but am aware there is still much room for improvement. Wracking talk! 07:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrote to address advertisement issues