Talk:Wodaabe

message: I've removed a few claims from this article that my sources seem to contradict, namely their animism (as opposed to Islam), as well as the sedentary nature of other Fulani.  I'd be happy to discuss these things some more, though, if anyone has other info!  --Dvyost 22:10, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 'The word Wodaabe means People of the Taboo, referring to those rules of social conduct handed down by their ancestors.  As one elder explains, “We have a code of behavior that emphasizes semteende (reserve and modesty), munyal (patience and fortitude), hakkilo (care and forethought), and amana (loyalty).  This way of life, along with our many taboos, was given to us by our ancestors.”  Along with this code, the Wodaave place great emphasis on beauty and charm, which form the basis of one of the most unique and unusual courtship rituals in Africa. '
(Beckwith, Carol, and Angela Fisher. African Ceremonies. New York: Harry N Abrams, 1999.)
With this in mind, it is difficult to believe that Islam has completely replaced any non-Islamic beliefs and traditions.
Turtliewings 10:40, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  claims 

message: Yes we keep using a bias sourced the person writting than in Carol book isnt an Islamic scholar. Yes they do mix local non-Islamic elements into Islam. But it is a POV how this affects Islam. U c the Saudi people do it, the Bengali people do it. All culture mix their local things into Islam. this is the nature of most world religions. To say it stops becoming islam is difficult as it forces us to ask what is Islam and who are we to restrict it. People of Islam, Islamized, we must just keep the general assumption, just like to be Jewish doesnt mean to do every single last thing, same here. mayb they are Sufis.CIA fact sheet classify them as a Muslim people.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 23:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to change the text of the article, but you must adhere to our attribution policy and cite your sources. A one-liner from the CIA site is a start, but your changes were broader than that and should be backed up by a reliable source. (I should point out that I'm not disputing your changes, just asking you to back them up.) — Brian (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a tough request not because it is inaccurate but one of those things. How do we know how many Muslims are in Pakistan, do we ask them all. CIA fact sheet defines religion according to the above. a Broad def. there is no other def than broad because then we start setting standards for Islam. and drawing impossible lines. problem is they are not in one country.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 02:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The best way to do it is to find sources that discuss the Wodaabe/Mbororo specifically rather than trying to generalize from broad country-level statistics. It should not be a surprise that the Mbororo mix traditional practices with Islam at a higher level than settled, non-pastoralist Fulani. Thanks for adding source citations, though. — Brian (talk) 04:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Most Wodaabe are Muslims in a broad sense

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 21:01, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Bororo Wodaabe in Niger, are different from Mbororo in places like Cameroon, Nigeria and the C.A.R- The link should be disambiguated for Mbororo  and Bororo, since they are not the same Fula sub-group.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.226.229 (talk) 13:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this article needs work and perhaps another is necessary. It's more complicated than an equivalence. Quoting for example Mahdi Adamu & Anthony Kirk-Greene in their preface to their 1986(2018) edited volume, Pastoralists of the West African Savanna (context is the dichotomization of "town" & "cattle" Fulani: "So, too, did the labelling of the principal segments of the cattle Fulani, such as the nomadic Mbororo'en and the pastoral Woɗaaɓe variously described by St Croix (1945), Hopen (1958), Stenning (1959), Dupire (1962), Beckwith and van Offelen (1984)." (emphasis added)--A12n (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is Search for Mbororo re-directed here

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