Talk:Devil sticks

message: This page really needs a picture.  Anyone? Meelar 03:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I kinda think that having this categorised as a fad is misleading.  It seems to me that playing with a toy whose origin can be traced to before the time of Christ is not a fad.  I'll grant you that the popularity of sticking has increased radically in the last few decades, but it seems to me that even a few decades is enough to make this more than a fad.  I'm not married to removing it from the category, but this doesn't seem to qualify as a fad. Pedant 15:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fad? 

message: What's with all the Fiddlestix info?  Is this an advertisement?  I'm all for explaining the physics, but this sounds like someone trying to promote a brand or a version of history.  The weird slant toward the flower stick style being better and more advanced than the tapered stick style also reeks of personal preference.  Infotrope 06:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fiddlestix prominence 

message: I've heard the Chinese name is wakun. True? Mention it?  Trekphiler 08:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? Infotrope 07:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chop stix?

message: where is the reputable source for this? This whole page seems kind of like nonsense.68.9.129.11 (talk) 03:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  found on walls in the pyramids??? 

message: I noticed a wholesale change of terminology from "devil sticks" to "devilsticks". I have reverted these changes because the description of the subject should agree with the article title. Devil sticks go by many names. If there is a consensus among reliable sources to go with a different name, then we can do that, but if you want to make a change like this, make your case on this talk page. =Axlq 16:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Terminology

message: "And the flower sticks are similar to juggling. They are basically juggling sticks. If the baton (center stick) is not tapered and has tassels (or other weights) at its end, it can be properly called a "flower stick" (as the tassels will twirl outwards and resemble an open flower when the stick is spun). This term can also refer to hybrid sticks which are both tapered and have weights. Tapered sticks without end weights are known simply as devil sticks. Flower sticks can also be properly called devil sticks, as that is the more general term."
:NO. Flower sticks have a cup/tulip shaped assembly on the end. Flower sticks predate the tassel design and their physics are different from the physics of sticks with "tassels" -- they aren't tassels either, tassels are decorative. The floppy leather fringe isn't a decoration. There is so much in this article that's self-serving bs. Most of the truth originally written into this article has been removed and replaced with utter nonsense. 24.24.151.13 (talk) 20:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  flower sticks 

message: This article had become more of an WP:OR fanpage, without a single decent ref after six years. I've chopped it down to the basics, a few items with refs and a few basic statements that seem pretty non-contentious and common-sensical. And I gave a little flex in "variants" so as not to use what appear to be useful pics. It'd be great to see this fleshed out a bit with actual refs, but in the meantime there are plenty of fansites that can publish all the WP:Original research they like, just Wikipedia isn't the place for that. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If the pro who posted above (as an IP) did actually put together a book on the devilstick "scene" and how it developed culturally and commercially since the 1980s, that'd be pretty cool, and citeable if it were (ideally) peer reviewed. Even an article in a published journal would be great. That wouldn't quite cover us for the pre-1980s stuff (except for whatever oral history of anyone interviewed who could attest to seeing them at hippie festivals in the 1960s or wherever they were in the past). But there are probably some books floating around that aren't yet up on Google that cover devilsticking back in earlier parts of history in whatever parts of the world; at the moment all I could find was several cites claiming a Chinese origin, but there has to be more in other old books. MatthewVanitas (talk) 06:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chopped it down to WP-appropriate material 

message: Anybody else think that the line:" Flower sticks are one variation on devil sticks, with tassles to slow down the movement of the baton to learn more difficult moves and tricks" is incorrect and misleading ? I´d prefer to say:
Flower sticks are one variation on devilsticks, with tassles to slow down the movement and usually some plastic wrapped around the wooden core to make it more sticky and therefore more easy to control. The Devilstick has a conic shaped, 60cm long wooden core weighting between 180 and 220 gram and is usually heavyer and longer than flowersticks. 
There are Firesticks using fuel-soaked wicks and Glowsticks usually working with LED. 
Maybe it would be good to mention other existing builds like the Devils Triangle  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctvcn3CH7HY) or the Bravo Tri Stick (http://www.bravojuggling.com/en/bravo_tristick.html)
A consideration would be to mention that Devil and Flowersticks often result in different styles.
Then i think there should be more chapters
possible would be a famous stickers section (Markus Furtner, Nikki Sneep Sniders, Andy Gebhard... )
chapter about volley-sticking which has been a partly documented event at ejcs that is still held each year and a well known game in the juggling scene
and then history, even if we havent found the chinese evidence i think there should be a chapter about the few things we got  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.169.225.254 (talk) 12:50, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestions 

message: on pre 1980 stuff i found some evidence but havent been able to verify it here are the claims i found 
in 1759 there was a Description of Devilsticks Play in:"An Account of Great Attractions in the Imperial Capitol During New Years Celebrations"
A translation by Zhan Gao was published by the Peking Press in 1978... sadly i couldnt find the text
 By 1813, a theatre in Berlin was advertising a show
including "the performance of Chinese stickplays by Medua and Mooty Samme".
the source of both of these claims seem to be the Devilstick Book by Todd Strong 
between  1915/1923 a duo called Frank and Clara la Tour are performing Devilsticks ( http://soapbubbler.weebly.com/la-tour.html )
around 1940 a juggler named Karl Rappo was performing Devilsticks ( http://www.juggling.org/jw/87/4/yesterdays.html )
 1947 "Manual of Juggling" from Max Holden contains chapter about devilsticks
 1977 "Circus Technique" from Hoven Burgees contains chapter on devilsticks
maybe someone with a more scientific/historic background than me can verify some of these and deliever sources
also here´s a link with my collection of basicly anything i could find over the internet, it´s pretty messy but maybe someone finds it usefull
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-ELsZ_jHNO5Eb_s32o0tHMQEMKdeAISz1ItBIMeN1NI/edit--87.169.225.254 (talk) 13:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  history 

message: , You reverted my recent link pointing to Bladder fiddle, saying "What's this got to do with 'devil sticks'". The answer is  that "Devil stick" in  multiple languages including English has been associated with bumbass fiddles for hundreds of years.  The fiddles are much rarer now, but the association still exists. Rather than repoint the link to bladder fiddle/bumbass, I chose the  disambiguation link at the top.  How would you  like to handle the need to point to both? Jacqke (talk) 19:07, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for coming to the talk page. A reliable source regarding the association would be good. Couldn't see any mention of devil sticks (as circus props) in the bladder fiddle article. The reference would have to make explicit the association re devil sticks as circus props. I'll leave it with you. Robynthehode (talk) 19:56, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devil sticks