Talk:Weeds (TV series)

message: *In the opening credits scene, the shot of the men running through the park is in fact just one man reimposed using a computer to make it look like three men are running exactly the same. This is also the same for the shot of the boys walking off the school bus, the joggers, the SUVs, and the coffee drinkers. This is used to illustrate the theme song which suggests that suburbanites are "all the same".
*Many of the exterior shots of the show are filmed on location in and around the bedroom community of Stevenson Ranch, California and Santa Clarita, California.
*The aerial photo during the intro is of Calabasas, California.
* Several strains of pot listed on "The Big Board" at Craig X's store are the titles of first season episodes.
* In season 1, a truck owned by "Esteban Landscaping" backfires while driving by the Botwin's home.--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Anyone else see a problem with the paragraph on him: "It has yet to be revealed whether Shane truly saw his father or not. It is stated that Shane was only pretending to speak with his father's spirit because he wanted to move to Pittsburgh."
Seems kind of contradictory.
-Tyreal
:Furthermore, this information is entirely incorrect. Nowehere in the season does Shane, nor any other character, say that he was "pretending to speak with his father's spirit because he wanted to move to Pittsburgh." That is an assumption that some might make, but is not supported by anything in the TV show. If no one else wishes to change this, I will do so sometime later on next week. 66.207.82.237 (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shane 

message: I was wondering if Elizabeth Perkins' character, Celia Hodes is on board for the 4th Season. Does anybody know more on this?
-Greg93
:If you go to the official Showtime Weeds site, Celia's potential legal issues for season 4 are listed on the forums by an official moderator. One can only assume that she will be back. Her storyline with the grow house is not resolved and I doubt the writers would just drop that plotline. 66.207.82.237 (talk) 13:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 4 

message: they're not leaving, change the article, they have just been downgraded from series regulars to guest stars.
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/weeds/weeds-recruits-boston-legal-ac-19809.aspx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.105.208.229 (talk) 14:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  conrad and heylia 

message: The list of who sings the theme songs seems incorrect for Episode 3-14.  I was looking at the list and found it odd that I hadn't recognized Linkin Park.  However, I played my copy of 3-14 and it is definitely not them.  Is there a source somewhere for this list?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Floydpink (talk • contribs) 03:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is them. Official site source: http://www.sho.com/site/weeds/music_season3.do SynergyBlades (talk) 17:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Have added the three season music pages to the article. They both list the official CD track listings too, which could be added to the CD releases section, but I'm considering taking the track listings for the CDs off the article, as I don't think they're particularly noteworthy, unlike the opening theme listings. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Theme Song Listing 

message: How is the bit about The West Wing and Mary Louise Parker in any way relevant to this show? Random trivia?173.21.157.70 (talk) 15:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Relevancy

message: Surprised we're having a problem here - Shorter Oxford Dictionary shows first-usage dates of 1536 & 1595. Certainly I've known the usage with widow's weeds as long as I remember. Bob aka Linuxlad (talk) 09:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd never heard the term prior to its mention here, and I'm not so sure it's that widely known, you're welcome to revert my citation tag, I undid an anonymous edit with an asinine edit comment because it was just that. DaveWF (talk) 00:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

text: FWIW, citation seems unnecessary to me. 145.116.8.231 (talk) 22:39, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Good enough for me. I'll restore it and point to the episode. Also, ocrasaroon – this is a series about a widow who sells weed, do you really see no connection to widow's weeds? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

text: *Surprise! Found another source to back this up. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's really a surprise that a "Product Development Manager" in 2009 would source an earlier verion WP to crank out summary that seems to have no fact checking. Can you imagine a writer at the New Yorker explaining WP as the source for the pun, or an Australian hack who seems to have sourced WP, since no other source is findable. Now, if there is a script to go on, that is worth looking at, though it might qualify as original research, and since it purportedly appears in a season 5 show, that is a weak argument that the pun was intended five years earlier. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 00:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, prove that the Sydney Herald have no fact checking, otherwise it's a baseless attack on a source that seems reliable by any standards. Your oh-so-civil expressions, such as "Australian hack", random speculation such as "seems to have sourced WP", and blatant removal of my request on your talk page, will be seen in quite a fascinating light by the complaints department. As for the first source that you dismiss as a "Wikipedia reference", it's actually a piece of text which was included in an episode of "Weeds" and is therefore sourced from the series itself. According to WP:FILMPLOT, what can be clearly seen on the screen does not need to be referenced by outside sources. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 00:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pun on Mourning Weeds

message: If anybody has any details on where seasons four and five are being filmed, can you please add it to the article?  I came here to see if they were shooting in San Diego, and the article is lacking that info. Thanks! 98.161.62.83 (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 4 and 5 shooting location?

message: Can we mention that the titles for episode 607 were an amended version of this Wikipedia page ? -- Beardo (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This surely doesn't deserve a place in the article's introduction? While it is noteworthy it isn't so important that it should be included as the final paragraph of the first section. It's more Trivia than anything else. Anyone else agree? « TheSkyOrBust »  (talk) 22:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode 507 titles 

message: Added new baby under supporting characters. Info from s05e08. Hebrew name from wikipedia articles on Avi and Melech. 206.55.187.178 (talk) 08:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New baby 

message: The discription of Silas is inaccurate; he has never been shown to be athletic and there has not been any suggestion in the show that he plays sports actively. It needs to be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.149.36 (talk) 04:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silas 

message: The amount of Weeds information on the characters, really anywhere online, is pretty minimal. So lately I've been trying to add character info for some of the supporting characters -- i.e., Till, Esteban, Quinn. I'm pretty new at editing here but does anyone else think that we should have a separate "List of Weeds Characters" page with much more in-depth descriptions?
Mikeace47 (talk) 23:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that strongly. I think we could also put how many episodes each of the minor characters have been in, which I think would be more useful to know than it would be for the main characters, who does have that information.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.63.196 (talk) 09:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree. 5 seasons worth of story merits it- its not like this is nurse jackie lol 206.55.187.178 (talk) 02:57, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Most of these changes have been made. The bit about Stevie's bris should be added. Quinn Hodes should be left as is; however, an expended discussion of Celia can include information about her kidnapping. Counting the number of episodes that minor characters are in seems a bit much.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by S trinitrotoluene (talk • contribs) 23:26, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Guide 

message: On the outside of the motel Celia is staying at, it says "Free Showtime" on the sign.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blsupr (talk • contribs) 19:31, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia~ 

message: If this show's going to be listed under only two genres, then "Black Comedy" should certainly not be one of them.
Opertinicy (talk) 04:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My bad, I did add that in the article, but were referring to the Infobox template, which I did not add there. ATC . Talk 16:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

text: The show uses black comedy for language and situations that encounter (*Note it's rated "M"), and its also a drama. I'm adding the genre back and if anyone has any questions please respond here and/or my talk page. ATC . Talk 16:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Weeds is definitely not a black(dark) comedy-drama. The word drama already entails that there is some emotional context to the tv series. If you have watched the show, it is definitely not 'black' by any means.Libertybrewcity (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: At least one reliable source begs to differ. Weeds, a black comedy focusing on a suburban mother turned dealer  Active Banana  (bananaphone 22:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Comedy?? 

message: :The show uses black comedy for language and situations that encounter (*Note it's rated "M"), and its also a drama. I'm adding the genre back and if anyone has any questions please respond here and/or my talk page. ATC . Talk 16:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Weeds is definitely not a black(dark) comedy-drama. The word drama already entails that there is some emotional context to the tv series. If you have watched the show, it is definitely not 'black' by any means.Libertybrewcity (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: At least one reliable source begs to differ. Weeds, a black comedy focusing on a suburban mother turned dealer  Active Banana  (bananaphone 22:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black comedy-drama 

message: The following text should be restored to Nancy's entry.
* When she first entered the drug trade, Nancy resisted the idea that she was a drug-dealer. "I'm a mother who happens to distribute an illegal product through a sham bakery." Through the first three seasons, her self-identity shifts until she finally admits, "I'm a drug dealer," at the end of season three.
This is a significant point of tension in the first three seasons before Nancy moves to Ren Mar. Nancy contends that she is not a drug dealer even as she is falling farther and farther into a life of crime. Other people in her life such as Doug, Conrad, U-turn, and finally Guillermo  see her as a drug dealer. Also, her confession is a key step toward becoming a drug trafficer.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by S trinitrotoluene (talk • contribs) 23:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nancy, the Drug Dealer 

message: I moved this from the main page to the discussion page so we can work on it before restoring to main page.
===Ruined dreams===
All of the main characters deal with end of their idealized lives. Nancy deals with setbacks at the end of each season. Andy loves Nancy in ways that she cannot reciprocate. Silas loses his dream of living with Megan in season two and then the closure of his pot store in season five. Celia and Doug are knocked down from their privileged live in Agrestic.--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Themes

message: All of the main characters deal with end of their idealized lives. Nancy deals with setbacks at the end of each season. Andy loves Nancy in ways that she cannot reciprocate. Silas loses his dream of living with Megan in season two and then the closure of his pot store in season five. Celia and Doug are knocked down from their privileged live in Agrestic.--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 17:03, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Ruined dreams

message: The Botwin family must deal with the death of Judah in season one, and Shane brings up the issue several times later during the series. Nancy's second husband dies at the end of season two. Esteban and Cesar have a cool approach to killing, and they can do it without blinking. Capt. Till's partner dies and causes him great grief. The fallout from Shane's murder of Pilar drives the plot of season six.
--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Death and grief

message: "Silas and Megan's relationship threatens to split apart once she leaves for college (she, a very serious student, has gotten into Princeton, while mediocre student Silas is going to a local school)."  
I was always under the impression that while it is true that Silas may not have been a good student that he was also a year younger than Megan and not that he was going to a "local school".  This is evident when Silas tells Nancy that he's skipping his last year of school and that he is moving to New Jersey. KellanFabjance (talk) 19:07, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 2 Synopsis Correction 

message: When discussing Esteban, Vaughn Coleman, and other fictional characters holding real life offices, it is important to stress that they only hold those offices within the context of the series. See[WP:IN-U]  —Preceding unsigned comment added by S trinitrotoluene (talk • contribs) 01:18, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional characters in real life offices 

message: Is it really necessary to have spoilers in the very first section of this article, before even the Contents? I'm watching the show now and I barely managed to look away in time. Spoilers should be in the synopses and nowhere else.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.76.224.26 (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: Change the line 'He begs her to tell him it will never happen' to 'He begs her to tell him that nothing will ever happen between them' because the way the sentence is written makes what he is asking (begging) unclear, and that actually is what happened :).
Lguilland (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (diff) -- gtdp (T)/(C) 12:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Lguilland, 29 March 2011 

message: Posted the following on User:Active Banana's talk page below:
;Weeds (TV series)
Hi Active Banana,
my original proposal  discusses how I wanted to change "comedy-drama" to "black comedy-drama."
Although, black is sometimes substituted for dark, it is important to note that Wikipedia wants articles to be an easy read as the average person does not know the meaning for "black."
My point is I think it is easier to change it to say:
Weeds is a dark comedic television drama or Weeds is a dark dramedy.
I will put this up on the discussion page as someone wrote in the article the following:
blackReading Desperate housewives: beyond the white picket fence By Janet Elizabeth McCabe, Kim Akass (Click edit to review the hidden text.)
Please reply with your opinion on the talk page.
Thanks!
ATC . Talk 22:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: erm, why? Most people know what black comedy is (hint, it is not a racial slur as some ill-informed editors seem to suggest) and it is also a drama. Dramedy is a terrible word presumably made up by the media. Not sure what you are intending to achieve in changing the existing "black comedy-drama" to something more awkward. Efficacious (talk) 23:11, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the current wording is clunky and weirdly piped. I am not sure that the above suggestion helps clarify the situation. Perhaps rather than gradual modifications a complete re-write of the lead is in order. Active Banana  (bananaphone 19:59, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about your comment more and realized you are right. I'm going to follow the same format that the Wiki featured article of the series, House, uses and do a major copyedit. ATC . Talk 21:03, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing ''black'' to ''dark'' in the lead section 

message: I've been asked to comment here and have a few observations:
* why are there so many citations in the lead? They're not necessary if the material is covered in the body of the article
* the plot section needs serious trimming
* other than the lead, the rest of the article seems to lack sources, or to be undercited
My suggestion would be to leave the lead alone at this point and to work on the other issues. When the page is written, see what's in it, and then make sure the lead fully covers the main points. Regarding the issue of satire/ black comedy, I don't really have an opinion because I'm not familiar with the show. That said, I'd suggest creating a "Genre" section and adding various viewpoint there, and then distilling those into the lead later. I'll add this page to my watchlist. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 21:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea, but its hard for me to figure out what to trim in the seasons as multiple plots take place throughout each season. Also, can you explain more what you mean by a "Genre" section? Thanks. ATC . Talk 22:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have been asked to comment here, but have no idea of what the dispute, if any, is about. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:31, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I can tell it's to do with the genre as discussed in the section above. My feeling is that if the genre doesn't fit neatly into one category it might be worth devoting a section to it in the article itself. The edit warring in the section below seems to be a separate dispute. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 00:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, well it is clearly a situation comedy, what is the problem with that? Jezhotwells (talk) 01:15, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Satire, or black comedy? Or a bit of both? Truthkeeper88 (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well as always, what do the sources say? Jezhotwells (talk) 17:29, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I suggested. I'm not familiar with it, but based on the thread above, it seems sources exist to support both, so I think it would be fine for them to add a genres section. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

text: According to a reliable book source  it says it is a dark (or "black") comedy. Their are no sources that say it is a sitcom. ATC . Talk 20:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous, how about we compromise for now in the lead? We all agree it is a comedy series. Why don't we go with that for now. ATC . Talk 20:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few comments 

message: With no source but an Australian product development manager (hard to imagine any writer or editor preferring or at least accepting that official designation ever) We would have to qualify the ref with something like Though Nancy spends little time in mourning, the title may allude to "Widows Weeds" - clothing worn by newly widowed women." But is something that were uncertain about be included? The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 02:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Lots of things can allude to lots of things. Below the bar for inclusion. I say leave it out and let's move on. Cheers to all. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:08, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unless we see somewhere that someone actually involved with the origination of the show meant the title in that way, I agree, just leave it out as original research. Dayewalker (talk) 03:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  That makes sense. I erased it a while ago from the lead and someone kept reverting it back. ATC . Talk 20:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I think the interview with Kojan is a valid source, and I used it in the lead. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Glad to see this has been worked out. I thought a source probably existed and spent a little time looking, but honestly have been too busy to follow up. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see everyone finally understands my original source, cited the proper way by using . But hey, citing the interview works even better, as it points out Kohan's intent to portray the Botwins as "weeds" that survive every scenario. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous, please quit your tenacious reverts at once. You are now going against this consensus. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widows weeds 

message: Support Yes. I just watched the first two minutes of the episode in question, and indeed the claim is supported. That's good enough for me. Primary yes, but horses mouth. If we all watch Obama say "...I'm a little nervous about visiting Dallas County...", we don't need a reporter to tell us he said that. I move for inclusion of "...The series' title is a double entendre: it plays on the word "weed", a slang for cannabis, but also refers to "widow's weeds", the black garment worn by mourning widows...", supported by the episode itself as a reference. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:11, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the interview with Kojan is a valid source, and I used it in the lead. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 03:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:59, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Glad to see this has been worked out. I thought a source probably existed and spent a little time looking, but honestly have been too busy to follow up. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see everyone finally understands my original source, cited the proper way by using . But hey, citing the interview works even better, as it points out Kohan's intent to portray the Botwins as "weeds" that survive every scenario. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous, please quit your tenacious reverts at once. You are now going against this consensus. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 12:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of "...widow's weeds..." in article supported by episode itself

message: Sorry to open a can of worms, but that's a pretty long bit for the first paragraph of the lead. I think it should be moved to the bottom of the lead, or somewhere in the body. After all, the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 16:17, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. The lead could say "The show's title refers mainly to the hardy tenacity of weeds." And then we could move the tangential info to the body, and expound on it more using RS's. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 16:33, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Anna, it seems out of place where it's located now. Dayewalker (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you agree, The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous, why do you keep puffing that sentence with an unnecessary (and most likely untrue) explanation as for what constitutes widow's weeds, when the expression is already wiktionary-linked? Also, see the paragraph above. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 12:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Widow's Weeds in the lede 

message: Here's a source . If it's not highlighted, it's in the fourth column, middle of the page. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 18:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice digging. The article is Aug 7, 2005. Versions of this article at that time or before don't mention "widow's weeds", so how could it have been taken from this source? Am I mistaken? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:10, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it's not really important. I just think it needs to be succinctly stated in the lead, and then as ATC & Active Banana say, if necessary developed more in the body of the article. At any rate, a good source exists now, so hopefully this will end. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 23:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I actually stated above in "Widow's Weeds in the lede" that it was a little chubby to be in the first paragraph of the lead. Stick it anywhere out of the blazing sun. I am delighted to see a source that puts this to rest. Ahhhhh. Sweeet resolution and a sense of moveonedness. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:27, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed. But "moveonedness"? Here's hoping that unpoetic word circulates no more, even if spelled as moveonness. (I say, dear chap, is that the moveonness monster one sees in the lake there?) The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 04:11, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for providing the source! I will note that I dont really see anything that is leadworthy, but since there doesnt appear to be a "production" or "development" or "analysis/reception" section, I dont object to placement in the lead until a more appropriate section is developed. Active Banana  (bananaphone 19:28, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Done, as (hopefully) is this discussion. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:29, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: It should be the latest name she goes by – Reyes née Botwin, since it's stated (can't recall the exact episode) that she changed her name to Reyes upon marrying Esteban. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall no episode where she used Reyes as a last name (other than perhaps as a joke) Active Banana  (bananaphone 20:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And the official website does not call her that. Active Banana  (bananaphone 20:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, my mistake and I apologize. Still, reverting without an edit summary after I've given mine, is akin to vandalism in my book when I know the exact reason you reverted me this way. I'll revert it back. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 23:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I was just about to say the same thing. Nancy never changed her name after marrying Esteban to Reyes. ATC . Talk 02:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nancy and Esteban talked about Nancy taking the name "Reyes" late in season five. They agree that her last name will remain Botwin.--S trinitrotoluene (talk) 02:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nancy's last name when describing the series as a whole 

message: Weeds - which I always enjoy watching due to the amazing performances and the movie-quality production values - reminds me slightly of the BBC comedic drama Ideal. I am sure that there is no overlap between them, but they both seem to be modern parables about illicit drugs. In both shows, drugs destroy the lead characters and their loved ones. In Weeds, Nancy very quickly loses her big house and her faux friends and is forced to move to a much more modest residence and live a life nobody would ever choose to live; while in Ideal, Moz loses the love of his life (Jenny) when she is accidentally fatally shot. It seems to me that both writers (Jenji Kohan and Graham Duff) took very different roads in their writing, but it is an interesting coincidence that they both ended up at the same destination: doing or even dealing drugs will kill you, or at the very least, those around you. Maybe worth mentioning? 81.164.152.54 (talk) 19:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do Weeds and Ideal reach the same conclusion? 

message: Now that the series is approaching its conclusion, perhaps a section should be added (properly cited, of course) about the evolution of acceptance of the series. When it first started it was quite controversial as it was seen as promoting drug use (scroll up this page to see how the Season 2 DVD was even banned in the UK), while defenders said it promoted drug use the way Dexter promoted serial killing. Now that the series is approaching its end (and even without knowing any spoilers for Season 8 the conclusion of Season 7 suggests a happy ending is not guaranteed), how have people's views changed? Are people still offended by the series, or do they get that it's not a pro-drug series at all? Obviously this discussion won't be possible if it falls into WP:NOR, but surely a series as respected and acclaimed as this will have articles on its impact written by not only reputable media but scholarly media as well and I'd be surprised if this topic wasn't touched upon. A related topic is whether the series has had any impact on public opinion re: legalization of drugs (which, it has been shown, is often considered a separate issue from whether one personally approves of drug taking or not). 70.72.215.252 (talk) 14:57, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Evolution of acceptance

message: I think I'm right in saying this: if you are planning on editing several things, please try to do it in as few edits as possible. I don't appreciate the history page to be full of 10+ edits by one editor in an hour timeframe. No offense, but I'm talking about you ATC. -PUNKMINKIS (TALK) 23:59, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple Edits

message: No mention of the very prominent use of songs such as "You Fucked Up" and "Girl Anachronism" to accompany the end-of-season cliffhangers.  I haven't actually watched the show or bought DVDs of it for several years now, so I dunno if this was the case with every season. RadioKAOS  –  Talk to me, Billy  01:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: As mentioned earlier, we don't need spoilers in the lead.  Thankfully, I don't think this series is my cup of tea, but it would be somewhat ruined if it was.
Unless anybody objects, I'll go ahead and remove them in a couple of days.  WykiP (talk) 12:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers again 

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message: I agree with most descriptive words of these characters, but one I do not is calling Andy "lazy" towards the beginning: "Featured in the ensemble cast are her lazy, wisecracking brother-in-law Andy Botwin..." 
He worked as a chef, business entrepreneur, restaurant owner, porn actor, drug dealer, and more, and was seen rising before others in the Botwin household to cook breakfast. He stepped up to be a father figure, though a questionable one at times. But he was probably the most interesting character in this series. He is a lot of things, but lazy is not one of them. 
I would take out "lazy" to just refer to him as "wisecracking" since his character is adequately explained later on in this page. Or add a better adjective there, perhaps "fun-loving." Justdoit345 (talk) 17:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andy as lazy?