Talk:Ben 10 (2005 TV series)/Archive 2

message: My son's innocence was lost because of the Ben 10 redirects of boobs and thongs! He is only 8! 66.232.153.101 17:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have to understand that edit was vandalism done by a vandal who will be blocked from editing. I'm not the vandal, just an editor undoing the vandalism but who's computer isn't fast enough. I'm sorry your son saw the work of a vandal but it's not wikipedia that is evil here, it's the vandal(He retaliated against my warnings by vandalising my userpage and is in the process of getting blocked).   AngelOfSadness  talk  17:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikipedia is Evil

message: I'm mad because every time now I type in Ben 10 I get some article on boobs.
I think a revert is needed here.  This is obviously vandalism of Wikipedia, and an attempt by a sick individual to trick younger children into coming to the article on breasts.  Let me know if anyone disagrees.
--Gryphenix 17:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ben 10 redirection

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail: 
Too soon? Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 01:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think so. There's still some stuff that has to be done. Pacific Coast Highway {The internet • runs on Rainbows!} 01:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, now I feel stupid... I'm the one who nominated it for GA. Wish I could undoit. --PostScript 01:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I inserted the template above to keep track of things. It mostly passes, however, the only thing it fails on GA is the sourcelessness of the article. We used heatblast.net, but we have already agreed to not use it as a source, as it promotes advertizing. So? What now? I put it on hold for now, until this can be solved. And, every picture doesn't have captions. If you disagree with something on the list, please change it's icon! Thanks! --PostScript 04:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might introduce you to a little template called ? The character sections look perfect for that.--Rmky87 05:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! However, I prefer someone else to fill in the templates, as when I do it, it produces disasterous results. Someguy0830, are you up to it? --PostScript 21:24, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome! What sort of results would those be?--Rmky87 05:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Messing up the whole artcle. Poor Someguy0830 spent half of his life rving my edits. Well, as no one proposed to do the sources, I'll do it on Saturday, its getting urgent, as the hold period is ending.--PostScript 21:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for putting an example in Rmky87! I'll do everything this Saturday. --PostScript 20:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Nomination 

message: I've been wondering, shouldn't the show be named "Ben 13" for now? Because Ben now has 13 aliens by his command inside the omnitrix... Just a thought. 
Yay! My brain is elsewhere! (Probably Venus!)- --
Criminal9021 20:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats what I was thinking. It just sounds better since it rhymes with his nameWild ste 12:51, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well thats what the writers call him, it was mentioned in one of those mini interveiws on cartoon networkWild ste 18:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ben 13? (Or more) 

message: Ghostfreak is supposed to be behind the werewolf and mummy aliens so would he count as a main enemy and be placed here or should we wait. If someone can prove that the current info is correct then I so we should because that would mean he is the main enemy of season three. Superx 20:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we should definitely wait, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 21:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Enemies 

message: I think this article is close to becoming a GA. Here are some things you could improve on to help it pass a future nomination.
#Image problems. This article has a lot of copyrighted images, and from what I saw, not one of them has a really solid fair use rationale. Some of them are much too large to be justifiably FU, and some of them have really insufficient image-page summaries (like "He is hot").
#Expand the lead. It can be a few paragraphs long.
#Talk more about the series' critical reception and general effect on the world.
#Give the article a thorough copy-edit and review the manual of style. One of the problems I see is that your headers are capitalized incorrectly; only the first word and proper nouns should be in caps, so as an example, "Main Protagonists" should become "Main protagonists" (although the phrasing is weird regardless).
#Work on organization. A lot of the info in your characters' sections is actually plot. And you might think about an overarching 'Characters' header.
#Add more references. You can cite the heck out of the plot and character sections just by putting Episode #.
Work on these things and I think you're well on your way to GA and even FA status. Nice work so far! --Masamage 07:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's a GA?  Does it stand for "Grand Article" or something?  --Ben 10 09:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GA stands for Good Article. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 14:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah.  I was expecting something that would sound more dramatic, but Good Article works for me.  --Ben 10 10:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my opinion, the Characters section seems rather lengthy. I recall there once being an article for Ben 10's primary characters, but that has since turned into a redirect due to too little information. Is there enough information to make that into its own article now? You Can't See Me! 17:47, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Ah, okay. It still seems rather lengthy, though. Perhpas instead of obliterating it off the face of the page completely, it can be shortened on this page and elaborated on the other? Or maybe that's redundant... Er, I don't know. You Can't See Me! 17:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: Anyone want a Ben 10 Userbox?     
I'll make more at some point (for greater variety) if anyone's interested!  BTW, all my userboxes are available to anyone who wants them :)  Enjoy!  --Ben 10 09:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the image will have to go, it isn't fair use, and there's a Wikipedia:User_page#Images_on_user_pagespolicy against them on user pages. Otherwise, no problem. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 14:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I understand.  I will do my best to fix the problem, but I don't know of any other pictures of the Omnitrix on Wikipedia.  If someone would help me out here, I'd appreciate it.   --Ben 10 09:25, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: I'm planning to make a page for the sequel Ben 10 series but first I wanna make sure if anyone made a page and it got deleted. --Naruto134 2:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already such a page, which currently redirects to Ben 10, because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball and there still isn't enough concrete statements about the new series' releace. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 21:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hero Generation 

message: What is it with this "villain-of-the-week" format I keep hearing about? --Naruto134 12:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Villain of the week. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:06, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Villain-of-the-week format? 

message: The article is looking pretty good; should we have a Peer Review or wait for future developments? --PostScript (info/talk/contribs) 16:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this? :
The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.
*Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
*Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.[?]
*Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings), headings generally should not repeat the title of the article. For example, if the article was Ferdinand Magellan, instead of using the heading ==Magellan's journey==, use ==Journey==.[?]
*Avoid using contractions like (outside of quotations): isn't, wasn't.
*Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]
You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 17:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks! --PostScript (info/talk/contribs) 17:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review? 

message: Can someone tell me why have the three main characters been located to another area? In every artical on a tv show on this site, they always have the basic information on the main page, with a link to the main artical.Wild ste 12:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it exceptionally logical that characters be moved to a character list. You Can't See Me! 12:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just find it more logical that the three main ones stay on the main page.Wild ste 07:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Characters 

message: I apologize if any of the following is off, I only saw the end of the episode.
I noticed, that by the end of the episode "Merry Christmas", the old man (I am sorry, I don't remember his name) was together with three children. Two boys and a girl. They looked like a direct reference to  Konohamaru and his teammates,  Moegi and  Udon from the anime and manga series Naruto. Should this be added to the article?
I think it was just a conwinsdence and not likely to have been any reference at all.Wild ste 15:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was definitely more than a coincidence, that's for sure. Still, I don't think it's so especially noteworthy that it should be mentioned on the main series article. It wouldn't really fit in any of the sections, either. You Can't See Me! 06:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Naruto? 

message: Anyone else think the page should be semiprotected? —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 10:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seemed like a good idea, because of the last fifty edits, which were primarily reversions. Maybe the end of the term's getting to me, just wanted to check with the others to see what they thought. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 17:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should be protected since it is a popular show and people have their own ideas about what the show is like.-Wild_ste 16:18, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now we've got full blown protection. Something I missed here? Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 18:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Keep the header "Omnitrix". It's pretty self explanatory and not clumsy like the suggestion. Anyone wanting more detail, could click the wikilink. I haven't been around so much, because I work now. Didn't know things blew up like that. If it was so much a issue, they could have done a poll, albeit it would be onesided. Pacific Coast Highway {talk • contribs} 22:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... I'm not sure.  You could say that the forms were part of the Omnitrix, or that they were characters, or part of Ben's character, or that they were something different altogether.  There's no reason to know which page to go to find them.Qvamp 22:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semiprotection? 

message: Do any of you think that I should do what I did to Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!,
To this Article?
:—Remember, the Edit will be with you, always. (Sethdoe92) (drop me a line) 18:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion?

message: Just to point out that the title of the live action movie is not "And the Hands of Armageddon", BUT has been confirmed to be Ben 10: Race Against Time by the director. The plot has also been released as well so can someone edit it to change it.
http://www.ben-10.net/newsarchive.php?subaction=showfull&id=1185703110&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&
Theres the link to prove it.Wild ste 10:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've disabled the editprotected request. The source provided doesn't seem to qualify under WP:EL or WP:V. If there is a better source, please provide one and feel free to re-enable the editprotected request. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:03, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This one better? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:27, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 22:40, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Live Action Movie

message: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD the following sentence to the Omnitrix section the sentence is "However, the Omnitrix may be twisted without pushing the side button to view aliens without transforming."--Jamesryanjcrjcr 10:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One, when does it ever do that? Two, why is it the least bit important? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 10:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Such a note already exists where there's information on Vilgax. 71.60.159.181 07:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I've disabled the editprotected request while discussion continues. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, in the episode Dr. Animo and the Mutant Ray, when Ben is trying to pop the watch open, he is constantly twisting the faceplate without raising it, and this may be of some substantial evidence because of the possibility of the nearly infinite codes to input into the Omnitrix to unlock its master control (Ben accidentally unlocked the control in Back With a Vengeance, then resets it and explains this to Vilgax, who agrees but says it would be easy to solve). In all actuality, this may be how the creator fixed the Omnitrix, how Xylene activated Upchuck, and how to unlock the Master controls, merely because it multiplies the number of possibilities for inputting combinations. Any comments, let me know, thanks! Ziggaway 06:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting  Edit 

message: Ya know, I don't think that the heading is necessary. It should be merged with the Omnitrix article. --Dylan Damien 15:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It's not directly related to the Omnitrix. Kidcorona 22:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

text: The aliens' voice actors. That should be a better view. Besides, the original is at the END of the page. Who would notice that? --Dylan Damien 01:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I could see the VA's being mentioned in their respective aliens section(s), but I'd wait until a more senior editor agrees... Kidcorona 08:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors 

message: I have noticed that there is back and forth on the Omnitrix entry.
Claims have been made that the Omnitrix is either malfunctioning, as Ben claims, or that Ben just doesn't know how to use it as based on his request to the Omnitrix creator to teach him how to use it.
Which is it, broken or lack of training?
Well more likely is that Ben does not know how to use it correctly since there have been many examples of Ben asking how to use it correctly, like the creator and his future self.Wild ste 17:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the show depicts it more as a matter of a lack of knowledge. Essentially, unexpected outcomes put up because he doesn't know.--Marhawkman (talk) 10:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omnitrix: Does it malfunction or does Ben not know how to use it? 

message: Hey, has anyone reported the recent Vandalism of this Article to the Wiki authorities?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.162.240.10 (talk) 05:00, August 23, 2007 (UTC) 
:Thanks for your concern, but this page isn't being frequently and heavily vandalized. It can be quickly fixed after each instance. Should it get worse, we could lock the page, but we haven't gotten to that point yet. You Can't See Me! 06:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Vandalism

message: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that under the hyperlink to all the episodes, all you find is a paragraph or two describing the episode? Is this to save bandwidth and space in Wikipedia, or to lessen the vastness of the article, because I personally enjoyed the synopses of each episode having its own multi-paragraphed hyperlink, and I remember personally writing many of the summaries, or at least changing quotes from the show, myself, and wish that to return. If possible, I'm wondering of Someguy or You Can't See Me could inform me of these protocols, no offense to anyone, or any pressure to them, I'm just fairly new, albeit a fast learner, to Wiki-based websites. Thanks, let me know of any comments you have! Ziggaway 06:34, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I enjoyed being able to look through the summaries as well; however, they do not hold up against Wikipedia policies. The full discussion about the articles' removal can be found here. Most importantly is the fact that separate pages are entirely plot summaries and trivia. Plot summaries should not appear as their own separate articles; they are typically only acceptable as parts of an article covering a larger topic. Trivia does not count since they are, as the word implies, trivial details. Despite being used frequently as filler content, trivia sections are frowned upon in Wikipedia because those details are so minor that they are unencyclopedic. There are several other reasons as well. I'll post a list of relevant policies on your talk page. You Can't See Me! 07:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single Episode Hyperlinks 

message: Per the recent AfD, I have suggested merging the descriptions of the Omnitrix from the article on the Omnitrix to this article.  Please share your thoughts on this at Talk:Omnitrix#Omnitrix merge targets.  Thanks, --Phirazo 02:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Omnitrix]]

message: is this ben 10 movie is it a real movie or is it still animated?? cause the commercials show the flame guy not annimated and real????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.16.213 (talk) 22:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to ask, but if it's about Ben 10: Race Against Time, you can probably find your answer by reading the main article. The world's hungriest paperweight 22:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IS IT  

message: :That's why the list is divided by importance. Main Characters, recurring characters(more than one episode), otherwise significant characters(those with a special, but limited importance). Of course the entire debate is about what would go in category three. Ah Puch would be a good example since an entire episode was centered around him and his temple. "Tiffany" wouldn't really count, she was kinda just there. Also Jt and cash have been in several episodes but never in a significant way.--Marhawkman 06:34, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but I have to disagree about Jt and Cash, the first episode wasn't realy importent for them but their other two appearence the had a little more bareing on the story. Anyone I'm kind of sugesting, that is if this is getting too long, we put the main villains and the main heroes on a main character page and ether leave the character and villian pages as they are or if you want to merge them. Superx 10:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we can try deciding character by character, if all else fails. :) But I still think a brief description of a character, not notable enough (that is, they appeared in one episode, as a plot devise), to appear in the characters list, in the summary of their respective episode will be sufficient. —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 19:16, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is exactly what I was suggesting. :) There's already been several occurences of that. But we should be careful, as too much will make the summaries unnecessarily long. That's why we have a character list. :)--Marhawkman 07:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Uh... no. Coverage in secondary sources is needed for having a seperate article. Inclusion in a list does not require it.--Marhawkman 12:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't? —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 13:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the list has to meet those criteria for it to exist. But the individual items on a list don't. See: WP:CLS and WP:NOTE--Marhawkman (talk) 11:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, now we must decide what, if anything, needs changed. If you look up, you'll note an attempt to categorize characters by appearances, and motion to remove a few that weren't important to any story and only seen once.--Marhawkman (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look up what where? I didn't see anything on the talk page, or in the page history. Could you provide a link? —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 20:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Talk:Ben 10#Character Pages :p It's the same discussion that you joined.... I meant "scroll up" when I said "look up".--Marhawkman (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I think others should comment on this before anything is decided. Why is nobody else discussing this? Is it my breath? :) —May the Edit be with you, always. (T|C) 13:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: arbitrary section divider