Talk:Ket language

message: Ok, this part didn't make sense
:"In spite of the attention paid to the Ket language and its origin there are no dictionaries, academic monographs on the language, or samples of texts available. E. Kreinovich in 1986 suggested a Ket orthography based on the Cyrillic alphabet, without fully representing Ket phonology with the 32 letters used.  The written language is based on the Suloma and Kellog dialects."
Several problems: 1) The article just finished describing grammars and books written about the language, so how are there no academic monographs on it. 2) If the written language is based on the Suloma and Kellog dialects, how are there no samples of the text? And the previous sentence implies there is only a suggested written form, not one in actual use, so that needs some clarification too. Overall, it needs to be more clear and more context for what the terms mean. - Taxman Talk 20:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarification

message: See Vajda 2008 reference, with support from a number of other respected linguists who are knowledgeable in the subject area. Thnidu (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was also at first sceptical but convinced by User:Taivo who is an well known linguist and who says that the genetic grouping has gotten about as much acceptance as is expectable at this stage.·Maunus·ƛ· 14:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Na-Dene connection established 

message: And what's the source?
It doesn't seem to be a phonemic one: Vajda gives the phonemic consonant inventory as the fairly spare /t k q b d s ɬ h m n ŋ j/.  And it doesn't seem to be a full phonetic one: even if [ɬ] is analysed as an allophone of /l/ it only includes it beneath the table, whereas it gives table spots to most of the outcomes of voice assimilation and stop lenition ([p g ɢ, β ɾ ɣ ʁ] etc.), and I don't remember Vajda mentioning [r] being present in Ket at all.  4pq1injbok (talk) 06:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the article Voiced velar plosive make a point to note that Ket is lacking both p and g. Molinari (talk) 20:41, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the consonant inventory given here? 

message: I think (purely as a non-linguistics qualified person) that it would be very interesting to find subjects from both the Ket and Na Dene peoples and ask them to volunteer to give DNA samples for comparison testing.   It seems to me that would provide material proof of a link betwen these peoples which could be measured.  If such a comparison turned out to be valid and a DNA link established between the two peoples, it would add immeasurably to the knowledge we have of pre-historic migrations of peoples across the Bering Straits.Daniel Sparkman (talk) 15:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the talk page for improvng the article - not for proposing new venues of research.·Maunus·ƛ· 15:38, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Moreover, linguists are well aware that there is no correlation between language and genetics.85.241.124.173 (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ket-Na Dene comparative DNA testing 

message: Where is the section on tone drawn from? There is no consensus that Ket is tonal; if anything, it seems that there's some agreement that the "tone" may actually be prosodic. There is at least one scholarly published work that says this is the case (Feev 1998). I have already made some fact-correcting edits, and I'd love to edit this section a bit more extensively, but there is still that problem: I'm reluctant to get rid of the section since it contains so much detail on this supposed tone. Vaaarr (talk) 00:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

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