Talk:Tokyo Big6 Baseball League/Archive 1 (Tokyo Six Universities)

message: *In this Tokyo 6 Universities regulations, it is assumed that neither unification and reorganization nor the university name have been changed in many years. And, an integrated university it becomes the condition of the agreement. ...added at 23:45, 2005 May 24 by 203.136.234.163
*An inclination is included in conjunction with the situation of entrance to school. ...added at 15:11, 19 October 2005 by 220.144.178.169
*This description needs a revision so that prejudice and misunderstanding are included. However, I attend after arguing, and there is it. ...added at # 03:00, 23 December 2005 by 125.192.205.101
:以上のコメントを残念ながら理解できません。作者は英語より日本語ができるかもしれないので日本語で訊いてみます。Prejudiceやmisunderstandingをどうして入れたいですか。Hoary 09:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

message: Tokyo Big6 Baseball League and Tokyo 6 Universities should be separated. There's enough history separating the Tokyo 6 and the Big6 League. .... added at 06:14, 22 July 2006 IceX
:But what does rokudaigaku mean outside baseball? (It might be a marketing term, but if so it seems an empty one.) I should add that I think the baseball-unrelated content of this article is wrongheaded, oversimplified, or meaningless. (I think I've attempted to delete it before, but people resisted.) -- Hoary 06:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese version of the Wiki is equally messed up. Baseball is one of the largest and most prominent aspects, but it's differentiated from the Tokyo Big6 Baseball League article. The Japanese version actually speaks of the origin of the term Tokyo Roku Daigaku, while the Tokyo Roku Daigaku Yakyuu Renmei article only speaks of the history of the Big6 League. I would not disagree with redirecting this page to the Big6 League page instead. -- IceX 06:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Before moving anything anywhere, shall we be bold about cutting the crap about the wonderful significance of being one of the "six"? (Or is entrance to or graduation from this or that member of the "six" really a surer entry into the Japanese elite than is entrance to or graduation from Hitotsubashi, Tokyo Rikadai, ICU, Sophia, Tokyo Gaigodai, etc.?) -- Hoary 08:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've already constructed a Big6 Page (simply because the official name of the League is the Tokyo Big6 Baseball League). But graduation from the Big 6 is probably a bit overrated, except for the front 3. Graduation from the Law and the Political Science/Economics departments (as well as the Medical departments at Todai and Keio... Waseda doesn't have one) at Todai, Waseda, Keio is pretty much a golden ticket. The top schools in Japan are probably Tokyo and Kyoto (as well as many of the National Universities) in the top rung, closely followed by Waseda, Keio and Hitotsubashi. Gakushuin and Doshisha falls somewhere around here too, as well as TIT (I say this mainly because R&D occupations seem to pay much less than the Business end). Then there's probably a slight dip under that, where colleges like the other 3 Big6, Aoyama Gakuin and Jochi, ICU, etc. fall into. The big problem, though, is that employment rates differ even between departments in all of the universities. Law, Economics and PoliSci is almost always better than Education or Literature at almost any school. In the end, the Tokyo 6 might just be 3 good ones and 3 coattailers. --IceX 11:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm wary of the word "good", what with such matters as the reputation of Hōgakubu within even prestigious institutions for being Hōrakubu. But if I substitute "prestigious" for "good" in what you wrote (and of course ignore the question of whether the prestige is deserved), I'd pretty much agree. (Let's not quibble "What about Ritsumeikan?", etc. And come to think of it, Economics is being eclipsed by Business, too.) What all of this means is that these generalizations about the academic/careers side of "Tokyo 6" don't hold. Can we cut? (As for the sports, I have nothing to say.) -- Hoary 23:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, all undergraduate programs in Japan are all going to be at a significantly lower academic level than any American or European counterpart, but what, IMO, it breaks down to is what it sets you up with. The Todai/Waseda/Keio Law/PoliSci/Econ/Medical are all departments that pretty much give you a "plus-plus" when you look for a job, simply because of the percentages (bairitsu) and the scores (hensachi) it takes one to get in. At the same time, personal relations remain an important component of job searching, and since most elite are attached to the 3 Universities' Law/PoliSci/Econ, those departments remain at the head of getting a good job. And the rest of the Departments also end up gaining a "plus" status, from test difficulty, etc.  Thus, they remain the most sought after universities.  I would think it'd be safe to say that all of the Tokyo 6 schools have a level of prestige and advantage, concentrated in the T/W/K Trifecta, but not necessarily because of the fact that they've been playing baseball against each other for 81 years. (Also, though Business is crawling up, many of the schools still don't have a formal business schools (Keiei), as opposed to commerce (Shogakubu) or the regular Econ (Keizai), other than in Graduate form.) --IceX 05:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
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