Talk:Nazism/Archive 1

message: I'm not much of an economist, but I'd like to see a broad overview of Nazi economics, especially international economics - one of their primary motivations for starting agressive war in Europe.  I'm not talking about Hitlers personal views on how vital economics is to warfare itself - that belongs somewhere else.  Who was it that said 'All economics is politics'?  I'll give it a crack, but I'm worried about being too sympathetic towards it. And I really don't wish to offend others who agree with their overall conception of problems in international economics without possibly even realizing it - this subject is *very* touchy, after all. I think I understand it from their POV, but as a Libertarian I strongly disagree with it from my POV.  I want to properly describe their conception of economics, however.  Any ideas? - Bob Dobbs
:Well, if you know what you're talking about, then I'd like to suggest the following method: start at the beginning and keep writing till you reach the end. Don't worry too much about mistakes. Try to represent both the good and bad. Good luck!--user:Branko
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The "Libertarian National Socialist Green Party" looks to me like a troll or parody of minor political parties such as the Greens and Libertarians. I'm not sure it belongs here with the actual history of Nazism. --Fubar Obfusco
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Fascism is the synthesis of the Heglian Dialectic of Thesis and Antithesis.  The Thesis is Capitalism.  The anti-thesis of Capitalism is Communism.  Captitalism says the individual owns property and the individual controls property.  Communism says the State owns property and Controls property.  There is a synthesis of the two.  It is called Fascism where the individual owns the property but the state controls it.  
Either it is a quote from Mussolini or Herbert Hoover in his book Challenge to Liberty but  either way (my books are in storage)and if my memory serves me "That private property is preserved as an arm of Bureaucracy."  Herbert Hoover say this.  Neither definition of Nazism or Fascism go into the economic system or the sociological system.  Socialism is both economics and sociological.  WHEELER 17:58, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economics 

message: :== Nazism and Islam ==
:Nazism as an ideology and as a value system has many things common with traditional Islam. During the WWII, Iran, Iraq, and many other Arab countries were on the side of the Nazis, and because of the hostility to Israel Nazism is not seen there in such a negative light even today.
:The similarities between Islam and Nazism run deep. Not all people are seen as the same - there is difference between infidels, people of the book and faithful in Islam. Similary, Nazism believed in different sort of people - the bottom were Jews and non-whites, corresponding to infidels, then Slavic people were somehow analogous to the people of the book in Islam, and Aryans to the faithful. The family values are also similar, as well as despising of petty profits made from lending money (a practice is against Islamic values, and was used to portray both USA and the Jews in the negative light by the Nazis).
Many systems of belief share similarities with Nazism, and many systems of belief have been compared to Nazism.  It is not enlightening to pick just one out for special emphasis.  Also, regarding historical alliances with the Nazis, there were many, many countries historically allied or gaining benefit from the Nazis; there is no usefulness in picking out just one (and then expanding it to include many anti-Nazi countires) for special emphasis.  DanKeshet
Nazism and Judaism may also share some similarities, and Christianity as well. Your point being? Rickyrab 23:51, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities between Nazism and Islam 

message: :Even more interesting is that the relation between national socialism and the british empire was no one way track. Without british money the so called movement of the NSDAP would have hardly "survived" the elections of 1930. Even today much of the propaganda material for geman Neo-Nazis comes from Greater Britain and the U.S.
The paragraph above is removed from the article. I think it would need a credible source to be reinserted, and if so better with a polished language.
--Ruhrjung 11:58, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  British money 

message: I've removed the following paragraphs, which were added to the end of the article. The misspelling of Göring's name gives, the disregard of the article's disposition, and the usage of ... gives the impression that the editor might be not so seriously interested in improving Wikipedia.
::I would suggest that actually you have removed this passage because it doesn't fit with the rest of the page - a long apologia for Nazism. Goering's name is not spelt incorrectly - replacing an umlaut with an additional e is common in the English language and if the italicisation is wrong then fix that and don't use it as a flimsy excuse to remove the passage.
::The page is full of crap - Nazi domestic economic policy had one aim and one aim alone - to ready Germany for war. In that sense it was a success, but in no other. Throughout Hitler's term in power the economy tottered on the brink of disaster and even mass famine. German families were poorer in 1939 than they were in 1929. The attempt to pass off American isolationisationism as an excuse for Nazi-ism gets a few points for originality but it doesn't alter the fact that it is garbage
:Sociologically many prominent Nazis (though not Hitler) were the children of those who had previously prospered under the Imperial regime in Germany. Herman Goering was the son of an imperial diplomat, Albert Speer the son of an architect and the Nazis were very strong in the student movement before winning power. Many of these people, as well as senior figures in the armed forces, blamed those they called the "November criminals" for removing the old order and instead establishing a democratic republic and so undermining their inheritance. Combined with a wider German sense of injustice over the outcome of the  Great War this was a powerful political force.
:But there is no evidence that the Nazi's ever secured the support of the majority of the German people and many - especially Catholics, many dissenting, but not all, protestant churches and perhaps the majority of the working class - remained sceptical. Hitler's foreign policy successes were welcommed, and boosted his popularity, because he appeared so successful without provoking a war. His often stated intention to actually have a war was ignored by many (including the German officer corps) until too late.
--Ruhrjung 06:47, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  The background of the German National Socialists 

message: "According to the Nazis, an obvious mistake of this type is to permit or encourage multiple languages within a nation. This belief is why the German Nazis were so concerned with the unification of German-speaking peoples' territories."
Unifying German-speaking peoples would oppose having one language spoken in more than one nation, not having one nation speaking more than one language. It's obviously not a problem with the article per se as it is a local fallacious construct; I think we should avoid these as much as possible but I'm not familiar enough with the topic to edit while preserving the proper logic nuance (did they also consider more than one nation speaking a single language to be a problem? or did they infer this logic from the "mistake" described in the text? or was it just an economical/military reason for doing this?). --Gutza 09:48, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor inconsistency 

message: Why JackLynch has placed twice the swastika and removed the link toward the Godwin's point?
Please form an account. I saw no reason for you to delete that image, and I don't feel that Godwin's point warrents a mention in this article. Please form an account and explain why you do. Jack 05:29, 8 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swaskika twice - Godwin's point 

message: an anonymous user altered the external link I had placed here. I noticed a week or so ago that the link was dead, but I was going to wait until I had something to replace it with, and also to see if it became active again. This is the original, accurate link (which is defective and should be left out of the article at this point, unless it starts working again). 
dart.jeeran.com (The Aryan Restoration Troops)
I'll look for some good links to replace it with. Jack 09:00, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not claim these links were "classical nazism", but rather specified them as contemporary. I of course disagree with your various assesments of the links, but thats really not the issue. Clearly you prefer to limit the information available to the reader. You made a poor decision. Jack 12:07, 1 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link removed 

message: I've heard of the influence that the Nazis had on South Africa, in which Nazi inspired whites furthered their own political aspirations by inventing apartheid in 1948. Furthermore, a science-fiction writer, S.M. Stirling, invented the fictional alternative-historical civilization of the Draka, which had a racist ideology of sorts. He had the civilization springing forth from the general area of South Africa. I wonder if he was inspired by Nazism, or by apartheid? 
 Rickyrab 18:06, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazism and South Africa/ Nazism and SM Stirling