Talk:Violence in ice hockey

message: To whom it may concern -- using the wiki markup is preferred to using HTML. So to make a bullet list, use the asterisk, and to make a numbered list, use the hash sign. I think the "editing help" link will have the details. Hth, Wile E. Heresiarch 01:08, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The on-ice incident that nearly killed Ace Bailey should be on here, although I don't know enough of the details to post it myself.
: I quite agree; it's far and away the most famous single such incident in hockey history.  I'm feeling lazy tonight, but if no one else posts it, I will.  Ravenswing 01:40, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ace Bailey? 

message: Two articles about the same thing. Merge Kerowyn 09:21, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree. Two articles about different things.  One concerns a condoned, if penalized, aspect of the sport, the other about an illegal and uncondoned aspect.  Ravenswing 11:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But "Violence" and "Fighting" are synonyms. Both articles are about violence on the ice. I don't think someone is likely to go looking for the condoned aspect and the uncondoned. They should be in the same article for simplicity's sake. Kerowyn 03:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because they are two separate things, as the average hockey fan knows; you could just as readily decide that "offense" and "violation" are the same thing in hockey because they are likewise synonyms, and I am given to understand that Wikipedia's goal is to be informative, not to be simplistic.  I appreciate that you're trying to clean up tags Wikiwide, but in the ten months since the tags were posted, out of the several dozen participants in the Ice Hockey Wikiproject, not one has spoken in favor of any such merge, let alone seek any manner of consensus for it.  The tags are best cleaned by removing them.  Ravenswing 06:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we're quibbling with semantics here. I'm not trying to be simplistic, I'm trying to be sensible. I merged the article initially because no one cared enough to object. I think violence on the ice is the same whether it's condoned or not and it makes sense to address it all in one place. Kerowyn 22:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your opinion has been noted, and I think we can all agree that if you bring a consensus around to said opinion, a merger is appropriate.  Ravenswing 18:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: :Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
Oppose. I might as well cut and paste from my comments last year:  Two articles about different things. One concerns a condoned, if penalized, aspect of the sport, the other about an illegal and uncondoned aspect. Ravenswing 21:32, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Something should be mentioned about the (in)famous bench clearing brawl between the Nottingham Panthers and Sheffield Steelers, if not here then maybe in Fighting in ice hockey Cryomaniac 00:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there were any suspensions and/or fines it should be listed at Fighting in ice hockey, as you mentioned. Bsroiaadn 05:47, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Panthers - Steelers

message: This article doesn't seem to mention the Flyers-Senators brawl on March 25, 2004. This resulted in 419 penalty minutes (213 for the Flyers), which are both sport records. Definitely notable enough for inclusion. Chubbles 04:16, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only penalty minutes? Then it should be at Fighting in ice hockey, if anywhere. Bsroiaadn 05:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flyers-Senators

message: with a lot of the players on the list, if you access their articles it does not mention the suspensions.  El hombre de haha 06:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Longest Suspensions list

message: Whatever the wikilink for the Stanley Cup Brawl of 1927 used to lead to...isn't there anymore. Does anyone know when it was there so we can link to it somehow? Just to clarify, I unwikified it before posting this, because it didn't lead anywhere. Bsroiaadn 05:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stanley Cup Brawl

message: The article uses the word illegal where it seems to mean "against the rules of the sport" rather than "against the law".  Am I right?  Could this be clarified and a better expression chosen? Jɪmp 04:11, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Illegal'' 

message: Removed the text "Some critics consider it telling that the NHL is the only professional hockey league that has a major players award for sportsmanship, the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy, which suggests to some a tacit admission of the need to encourage more civil play."
As far as I can ascertain, many other major sports have sporsmanship awards:
NBA
MLB
NCAA
If the "critics" in the original sentence were identified, it might stand
Cander0000 08:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That just sounds like a cheapshot at the game. All sports have players who prefer to bend / break rules.99.242.129.186 (talk) 22:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Sportsmanship Award'' 

message: First line of second paragraph: "non-dangerous violence". Isn't that something of an oxymoron?
67.169.14.238 (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Oxymoron''? 

message: I will not change it but I don't think Chris Simon had any charges/accusations against him and if it was the case it was certainly not for the Ruutu stomping incident but it would have been in connection with the Hollweg cross-checl, but I have not heard any charges for that too, so I suggest that we remove the Chris Simon case from the Incidents resulting in charges.--JForget  01:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, and done.  Every time there is an incident such as that, people tend to put it in the wrong section. Resolute 02:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Simon

message: This article looks like it was told from the point-of-view of a liberal trying to tell us why "peace is kool, man". 24.184.200.190 (talk) 05:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entirely biased