Wikipedia talk:Taiwan-related topics notice board/Archive 1

message: Everybody, please come in!! I build this page for future discussions and proposals focused on Taiwan. I do not build this page for myself. :) Mababa 05:30, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Come in!!

message: Help needed in discussion in Governor-General of Taiwan:
I dispute the statement "It also shortly existed between 1945 to 1947 under Chinese rule." Chen Yi's position is most often translated into "Chief Executive". What are the Chinese characters for both? It would be relevant in the article. --Jiang 02:52, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chen Yi's title

message: Hello and congratulations.
I would like to know the meaning and extent of "Taiwan-related". Would an article related to, for instance, Wu-ch'iu Islands (or Wuciou Islands) of Kinmen County, be Taiwan-related (and within the scope of this notice board)? Thank you.  — Instantnood 17:16 Feb 20 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you for stopping by. I think the title is extremenly self-explaining; that is: the board is focusing on Taiwan-related topics. I personally do not believe Kinmen County would be the main focus here. If discussion involves Taiwan-unrelated topics, such as ROC in China, they would be advised to discuss in China-related board or other specialized boards since there would be more participants more knowledgable on these Taiwan-unrelated topics. It would also be highly appreciated if you are kind enough in helping us by reminding participants in Taiwan-unrelated discussions to move to other Taiwan-unrelated boards.  Mababa 06:46, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am glad that you have found what you want to learn about. Taiwan-related is Taiwan related. I believe that we shall help contributers to make the best use of both Taiwan-related and Taiwan-UNrelated boards to facilitate professional level discussions and accurate Wikipedia edits.Mababa 06:53, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Taiwan-related

message: Hello all, I'd like to request your help regarding recent changes to the 228 Incident article. We've gotten some new info from different points of view, which is a positive thing. However there are quite a few new points that I am unsure of, especially in regards to claims made by Li Ao. Some of the linked sites also seem excessively partisan. See Talk:228 Incident --Loren 06:04, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help needed re: 228 Incident

message: under "Needs expanding" there is a listing for "Culture of Taiwan", while under "Needs translating" there is a listing for "臺灣文化"(Taiwanese Culture).  Should the more robust chinese article be translated and ultimately replace the "Culture of Taiwan" english stub? --optimistic-x 13:45, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm.... I was the one put "Culture of Taiwan" both in need expanding and need translation. I did not give it much thought that we should replace the current article with the translated on or not. But it could be a good start. On the other hand, I am not totally satisfied with the mandarin version either. I was actually thinking about gathering more information and assemble them together. But I am just one of the wikipedians here and I can only speak for myself. Any suggestions on this article would be greatly appreciated since the poor article is really under-developed in my opinion. :(Mababa 20:29, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  &#33274;&#28771;&#25991;&#21270; / Culture of Taiwan 

message: Greetings,
I am reporting on Saturday's "326" march and rally in Taipei City over on Wikinews, and need to acquire photos or video from the event. The current story on the event is called Taiwan Democratic Alliance for Peace plans massive rally on Saturday.
I plan to file a new story as the 326 event starts, and to then update it as the event unfolds.
If anyone has friends in Taipei City with a camera, or are aware of any Public Domain or GFDL content related to today's 326 march and rally, please let me know.
You can reach me on my Wikinews user talk page.
Thanks.
Regards,
— DV 07:12, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A story is now filed on Wikinews about today's march in Taiwan, entitled, Hundreds of thousands protest anti-secession law in Taiwan. — DV 12:06, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos or video from Taiwan 326 event?

message: If you're interested in working on how Chinese surnames should be presented on Wikipedia, please comment at Talk:Chinese surname#Chinese surnames on Wikipedia. Thanks.  — Instantnood 13:53, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
:User:Jiang has started a WikiProject for Chinese surnames. — Instantnood 13:20, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese surnames on Wikipedia

message: List of assets owned by the Kuomintang could use some expansion. --Jiang 07:20, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  KMT assets 

message: Sinckan writing moved to Sinckan Manuscripts; all talks moved there as well.  Translation isn't complete yet, but organization will be a problem.  If you're interested read the talks there.
Mgmei 23:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinckan writing

message: Hi everyone - Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting has just created a new stub template: . Articles marked with it will be categorised in :Category:Chinese people stubs. It is hoped (possibly with undue optimism) that it can be used for people from both China PR and the Republic of China. There are three main reasons for this: 1) Many of the articles in the category will be biographies of people who either lived before 1948 or during the years when the schism was taking place; 2) it is likely that editors who know something about people from one side of the strait will also know a little at least about people from the other side; 3) at present there are probably too few bio-stubs about people in ROC alone to warrant a separate bio-stub category (this may change at a later date if a large number of ROC bio-stubs are found). We hope this will be an acceptable situation for you, although we realise that - as with many article/categorisation conflicts relating to the two Chinas - it is impossible to keep everyone happy! Grutness...wha? 13:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bio-stub

message: Hello,
I just wanted to let you know about a list of Taiwan-related items on Votes for Deletion.  It's part of WikiProject Deletion sorting, and you can find it here.  I hope you can use it to track and contribute to Taiwan-related deletion debates.  If you find the list useful, please also help keep it up to date.
By the way, new deletion sorters are welcome and needed.  Join us!
Cheers,
-- Visviva 03:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion list 

message: Hello,I am from Singapore.I created this Fei Ge article,but it has not been updated since.Can you people help?Tdxiang 08:54, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fei Ge]] article is neglected. 

message: I think the Chiang Kai-shek article is almost ready for a featured article nomination, but I would like some input on its neutrality and accuracy. In particular, attention must be given to the number of deaths he was responsible for. I am afraid that the biography leaves out the killings he ordered as part of the "White Terror", while the legacy section might have exaggerated it. It might be better if we could assign deaths to specific incidents. --Jiang 15:09, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chiang Kai-shek FAC  

message: Is this a valid article? Claims to be a place in Kaohsiung County (could possibly be Niaosong), but most of the contents seem quite questionable.--Confuzion 03:25, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Niaosiung]]

message: Please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Regional notice boards#A uniform naming scheme. Zocky | picture popups 00:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard naming scheme 

message: The DYK section featured on the main page is always looking for interesting new and recently expanded stubs from different parts of the world. Please make a suggestion.--Peta 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DYK

message: Just a notice to you all that the WikiProject Taiwan was recently created. AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  21:00, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Taiwan 

message: Just wondering...how are articles reviewed? There are some articles under Wikiproject Taiwan that are not assessed yet. -- Asdf1248 06:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment gives you a general concept. For importance part, I added the grading scheme under WikiProject Taiwan just now =) AQu01rius (User | Talk) 06:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviewing articles 

message: Hi, there's a dispute here involving an anon who is trying to push the POV that the Han Chinese ethnicity does not include speakers of Wu (吳語), Min (閩語), Hakka (客家話) or Cantonese (粵語), with the conclusion being that the Hoklo and Hakka are not Han Chinese. The basis of his definition is genetic: in short, southerners with Baiyue (百越) admixture are not true Han Chinese.
In fact, the entire Taiwanese people article is extremely messy. After several POV-pushing attempts, it now appears to say the same thing three or four times from different angles. The article needs to be cleaned up or merged into Demographics of Taiwan.
Please come take a look if you're interested.
-- ran (talk) 00:56, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Taiwanese people]] 

message: Why don't we have an IRC channel where we can hook up and chat in real time about WikiProject Taiwan? If everyone gives this a green light, I suggest we have the IRC channel info put up on the main WikiProject page so that people can just get on IRC to discuss about how to improve Taiwan-related articles. This is also definitely a better method for discussing disputed articles since we can voice concerns about what we think is wrong in an article and fix it. Why settle for talk page discussions that take too long and too slow to resolve when we can figure out a solution in real time? :) — Nrtm81 16:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you do it? AQu01rius (User • Talk) 18:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRC chat for WikiProject Taiwan 

message: I have noticed that certain editors have been pushing the POV that Taiwan is currently under military occupation, and are trying to support that contention through external links to the following two sites: taiwankey.net, and taiwanbasic.com (not the main page here, but an embedded one arguing that Taiwan is US territory). Question: in your opinion, are (1) the sites I mentioned reliable sources, as opposed to proposals for a fringe theory, and (2) should they be linked or should material derived from them be removed. I ask because I'm afraid I may have an subconscious bias against the position which heavily favors Taiwan independence. Any help is greatly appreciated.Ngchen 01:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Depends on the context. If they're cited as examples of POVs on say, Legal status of Taiwan then I think it's okay as long as other widely held POVs are also represented. Otherwise just tossing them on any Taiwan or ROC related page is, IMHO, inappropriate. -Loren 02:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links opinion 

message: I have recently created two task forces: Taiwanese politics and Taiwanese aborigines.--Jerry 23:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:TWTOWNS is created to improve Taiwanese township articles, since most of them are stubs.--Jerry 19:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Task forces 

message: I need someone's help with translating the History of Kaohsiung.--Jerry 21:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a stab at it later on today. -Loren 21:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Loren.--Jerry 22:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: A recently-created article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, has been nominated for deletion. Comments are invited on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 23:12, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allegations of Chinese apartheid 

message: Help me beef up Nationality Law of the Republic of China‎ lest it get too encrusted with my own POV.  Jidanni 21:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help with [[Nationality Law of the Republic of China]]

message: The Taiwanese military history task force is recently created. Please join the project if your interested.--Jerry 17:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taiwanese military history 

message: I am glad to be here working with you all. I have started a new article for the TV program. Please feel free to add/edit the page and help to improve. Thanks. TheAsianGURU 19:43, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I am still updating the show constantly, I have also started to work on the bios of the two hosts. Trying to get the information translated from Chinese. Feel free to let me know how I can improve. TheAsianGURU (talk) 00:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kangxi lai le]] 

message: Hi. This discussion has probably been held before (I can't seem to find it), but I think we need to come to a common agreement about how to romanise Taiwanese place names. At the moment, a mixture of Wade-Giles, Hanyu Pinyin and Tongyong Pinyin are used. We have Banciao City (Tongyong) but Hsinchu (Wade-Giles). To add further confusion, the pages for the Taipei MRT are in Hanyu. Now, I understand the politics of the whole affair, namely that the Taipei City Government has decided to use Hanyu, while Tongyong is being promoted by the central DPP government. However, to a reader unaccustomed to the context of Taiwanese romanisations, the pages just appear confusing and cluttered. What do people think? I believe that every article should include the Wade-Giles, Tongyong and Hanyu romanisation somewhere, whether it be in the lead sentence or in a separate table. Deciding on the article name is, of course, the most difficult issue. Ronline ✉ 05:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps wait until the March 2008 elections are over, or perhaps 4 years after that. See also my suffering. Jidanni 04:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romanisation 

message: Josephine Ho (:zh:何春蕤) was violently deleted and discussions were slammed shut. Jidanni 04:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Josephine Ho]]

message: Art Academy of Taiwan - does it exist? Does it go by another name? Hadoooookin (talk) 14:42, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Art Academy of Taiwan

message: Hi everyone, I've started an article on Janfusun Fancyworld, however I'm not familiar at all with Taiwan and was hoping someone would be able to expand upon the article. I'm not even particularly sure I have the location right, so any help would be much appreciated! Seaserpent85 13:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Janfusun Fancyworld]] 

message: * EeLin Modeling Agency
* Catwalk Production House
Hi everyone. I have started the articles about those two agencies. I am also planning to beef up their content by adding/translating some of their models’ bio into English Wiki. Please feel free to help or let me know where I can improve. Thank you. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two top modeling agencies in Taiwan 

message: I just started an article on National Museum of Marine Biology and Aquarium.  It's not a great start, certainly not even a very good start.  But it's a great aquarium and it deserves great article. Readin (talk) 23:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  # National Museum of Marine Biology and Aquarium 

message: I'd like to move Vanness Wu to "Van Ness Wu," as this is how his name is written on all official sites.  Any discussion/objections?  Thanks! --Hamuhamu (talk) 04:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move/Rename [[Vanness Wu]]

message: I'm not sure how active this project is, but if anyone could find the time to continue the translation of this article that has been left abandoned for more than a year, I'd appreciate it. I'm going to comment out the Chinese, but it will be still in the article and can be viewed in edit mode. Thanks to anyone who helps! -Yupik (talk) 23:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Tai Chao-chuen incident]]

message: Hi. I'm from Slovenia and I've just written an article about Janez Janež - an interesting Slovene who lived and worked in Luodong, Taiwan. Is there somebody who'd translate it to Chinese and publish it on zh.wikipedia? My Chinese is simply not good enough. 谢谢。 Marino-slo (talk) 11:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Janez Janež]] - doctor [[Fan Fenglong]] 

message: Hi there (gumuhua again):
Starting tomorrow (2009-01-01), Hanyu Pinyin will be the legal standard for romanization in the ROC (Taiwan): Id like to make a public call to give prevalence to this romanization system.. Id like to emphasize again the advantages of using JUST ONE romanization system...
I think we should eliminate the Tongyong romanizations (for the sake of unicity when romanizing)... Does somebody agree?
I know that in Taiwan the romanization of chinese is a policy that depends of the county governments... should we use Hanyu Pinyin only with the counties that support it?
Which brings me to the next suggestion:
1) For anything related to the ROC (Taiwan) as a country, state, we should use Hanyu Pinyin. The Ma administration is clear on this.
2) On the county level, we should wait till the county governments make such a change...
THIS IS A SUGGESTION... PLEASE MAKE URS...
Another thing: CNN uses hanyu pinyin to romanize names REGARDELESS OF THEIR PROCEDENCE, BE IT CHINA OR TAIWAN... I dont find strange that most of the western media does such a thing... My proposition is to add Hanyu Pinyin to the chinese names next to the other possible romanization used, if any
THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AS A PRO CHINA OR PRO KMT POLICY... (pragmatism)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua (talk • contribs) 17:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the standard should be to give priority to whatever system the entity being described prefers, and list all others that have significant usage.  Since the Chinese Pinyin system has become a standard even in other countries like Taiwan and Singapore, it makes sense to provide it as one of the romanizations, but not always as the first one. Readin (talk) 00:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If this isn't covered by Wikipedia:Manual of Style (use of Chinese language) then we need to make sure it gets covered. Readin (talk) 00:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CALL TO USE HANYU PINYIN ONLY, OR AT LEAST TO GIVE IT PREVALENCE: 

message: Penghu is the name of the main island of the archipelago, what if somebody chooses to create the "Penghu" (island, the main island only) article?
Plus: wikipedia clearly differentiates between, among others: "Taipei" (city) and "Taipei County", "Taichung" (city) and "Taichung County", "Gaoxiong" (city) and "Gaoxiong County"... Shouldnt we follow that rule too?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gumuhua (talk • contribs) 23:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Discuss this on the talk:Penghu page.Readin (talk) 00:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call to move the "Penghu" article to "Penghu County": 

message: The linguistics box should include the romanizations appliable to the correspondent chinese characters... For instance, in the ROC, we can see IN THE LINGUISTICS BOX both the simplified and the traditional: In the country profile we only see the traditional variant, CAUSE THATS THE OFFICIAL ONE THERE... DPP has its own linguistics box and its own political box, the same applies to some newspapers, TV channels... and so on... 
Gumuhua (talk) 19:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please keep the main discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Linguistics and related boxes: Please make distinctions.  This topic regarding the use of simplified vs traditional characters and the different romanization systems is best discussed there. Readin (talk) 14:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please distinguish between linguistics boxes and political parties/countries/TV channels/newspapers infoboxes: 

message: I am not from China or Taiwan and don't really have an interest other than the general but I appear to be in a situation where I am constantly reverting changes by user K2dgfb who is with what I'm seeing as a high degree of POV (based on his/her edit summaries) changing many enties for Chinese to Taiwanese, and ROC to Taiwan and "Chinese Taipei" to Taiwan even when supported by references.  Can someone here with more knowledge about this than I have please comment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/K2dgfb
Thanks  Andrewgprout (talk) 01:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Andrewgprout. I understand how frustrating this is for non Chinese people to really understand on this very complex situation regarding Taiwan political status (even until as simple as naming). One thing for sure, we do have to respect the view of One-China (under the United Nations), view of the People's Republic of China, and view of the Taiwanese people themselves (be it those who favor reunification, independence or just maintain the status quo). Although there has been no 100% general consensus, we can summarize the following point:
Universal Use:
* Generally, all Taiwan-related articles, it is enough just to name the area as "Taiwan" (it doesn't carry any political meaning).
* For official naming (such as official government or political designation name), it goes to its original name of "Republic of China" (ROC), as stipulated in its constitution.
* When it involves with the People's Republic of China (PRC), then the Cross-Strait Relation rules apply, where the PRC is named "Mainland China" and Taiwan is named "Taiwan", so it's towards a more 'neutral' geographical term.
* When both sides need to meet up in an official capacity in an official events (e.g. Olympic, APEC, etc), then the official name for PRC is usually "China", while for Taiwan is "Chinese Taipei".
* Even for relations for both sides, it is almost universally agreed that the name "Cross-Strait Relations" shall be used, because it doesn't imply any political meaning, e.g. China & Taiwan Relations (which shows Taiwan is not part of China), or Mainland China & Taiwan Relations (which shows Taiwan can be part of China) - although this can be 'soften down' when we try to involve Hong Kong and Macau in the context of relations with the mainland as well.
Regional Use:
* For PRC or Communist Party of China's point of view, Taiwan is designated as "Taiwan Province".
* Even the term "Taiwan Province" is actually an very official term in the ROC constitution, because it says the Republic of China consists of two provinces, which are "Taiwan Province" (consists of Changhua, Chiayi, Hsinchu, Hualien, Miaoli, Nantou, Penghu, Pingtung, Taitung, Taoyuan, Yilan, Yunlin County and Chiayi, Hsinchu, Keelung City) and "Fujian Province" (consists of Kinmen & Lienchiang County). But this has since been very rarely used, probably only the ROC government aware this terminology, not the Taiwanese public in general.
* For Taiwan's Kuomintang (pro-reunification party) use, Taiwan is designated as the "Republic of China", while Mainland China is designated as the "Mainland Area of the ROC"
* For Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party (pro-independence party) use, Taiwan is designated as "Taiwan" (as in a country), and Mainland China is referred as simply "China" (as another different country).
For Historical Purpose:
* The ROC was simply called the "China" before 1949
* In 1949-1971, where PRC had been established but ROC (already in Taiwan) still held the China seat in the United Nations, PRC was referred to "Communist China", while Taiwan was referred to "Nationalist China"
* In 1971 onward, more & more people refer the PRC as simply "China". And in Taiwan, with the pro-independence party took office in 2000, they start to 'rebrand' the ROC to become as just simply "Taiwan".
* However, in 2008 onwards, when the PRC is getting stronger & stronger, and Taiwan is ruled by Kuomintang (Mainland China-friendly party), the tendency to refer to these two sides is for the PRC to be called "Mainland China" and the ROC as "Taiwan" again, only if both appear in the same context (e.g. in an article, event, conference, etc). When each side stand alone, we can call them "China" or "PRC" for Mainland China, and call Taiwan as "Taiwan" or "Republic of China".
Indeed, it is very confusing, and not everyone might agree with this "temporary" consensus. But yeah, those who are involved with this "arena" have to follow these so-far-acceptable terminologies. But for any non-political related articles, just "Taiwan" (without really explicitly specifying it as a country or province) is enough already to be used. This is my understanding from my own POV from all of the reading facts I had done before. Chongkian (talk) 14:23, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is using Taiwan / ROC / Chinese Taipei appropriate 

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thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Pride 2015|Wiki Loves Pride]]! 

message: Hello. I invite you to join a centralized discussion about naming issues related to China and Taiwan. Szqecs (talk) 04:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion invite