Talk:Italians/Archive 2

message: I've never edited that page, and that's not my IP Address .
Here's a link to the differences
I would appreciate an apology. 
Relir 22:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusasion by Katieh5584: Reverted edits by 72.91.137.200 to last version by Relir  

message: An ethnicity is: "A sense of being different than other groups because of cultural tradition, ancestry, national origin, history, or religion." This is exactly what Italians are, they are different from european nations, the only real nation I see alot of similarities with Italy is Greece, no other nation. I actually see more resemblance in culture with North Africans than I do with Viking Scandanavians, no Roman ever looked like a Viking, I don't know why people are so ashamed of being Italian, why must we be categorized so much? If you can't accept that Italians have their own history and their own culture, then why even come to Italy? Just pay attention to your own bloodline! Italians are historically *not* of anglo-saxon descent, I do believe the Romans fought them? I do believe that they thought of them as barbarians? I also believe they created buffer zones to isolate themselves from the barbarian tribes? Why did they want to get into Italian territory so bad, was it too foggy and cold where they originate?
What about Corsica? Majorily Italian, yet it's French territory. So you can't go on what a people are based on the territory they possess. You can't say Britains are of African ancestry just because they have some African territories LOL You have to analyze the people, not the foreignors, the actual people that comprise of the ethnic makeup of the people as a whole.
:I am a Briton and I absolutely insist on my African ancestry. It’s not that I am proud of being a human being rather than a wombat—quite the reverse: fewer humans and more wombats would make the world better. Still, I am a Briton and as such I am human and an African. To describe me as Austrolasian would be fantastically weird. —Ian Spackman 13:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand why some people are eager to hide the fact that there's a rich cultural diversity within the Italian nation (north vs south being a mere example). This is something to be proud of rather than the opposite. Nobody claimed that Italy is like Belgium or switzerland, but localism does exist and is an important part of Italian history which deserves to be mentioned - and it by no means degrades the unity of the modern nation. Physical differences between peoples of the same state (North-south, east-west, mountainers-islanders) exist in every single state in the world, and it's pointless trying to deny it. In Italy and Greece, and probably also in Gaul (France) and Iberia (Spain), people's physical appearence varied from region to region since ancient times. Miskin 01:31, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: Some time ago I wrote 
1)"Part of the north was invaded by Germanic tribes" the whole Italy had been ivaded by Germans people. The same article just the following line tell of Lombards of Benevento (in the south); maybe an encyclopedia have not to contradict itself.
2)"while the south was colonized by Mediterranean peoples" maybe it refers to the 5th or 6th century b.c. so before and not after the Roman power.
3)"Italians have historically been more loyal to their local regions than to the state" what does this sentence mean?
4)"isolation of the kingdoms" As art history teach there were more comunication and cultural and litterary exchange between Italian cities than between French or English or German cities. This is the reason Rennaisance started in Italy and arrived in those other countries 2 centuries later.
And Miskin aswerd me "Anyway the edits concerning 1) and 2) were based on the Britannica - 2006 article "Italy", so you must cite a source to have a valid content dispute. Miskin 10:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Miskin, just a note: you must have misread Britannica, because the Lombards didn't only conquer the north, but also parts of central (Tuscany, Abruzzi, much of Umbria) and a majority of southern Italy (Basilicata, northern Puglia, almost all Campania, but not Naples or Amalfi).--Aldux 19:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: That section was originally written by me and its purpose was to replace an older section named "Genetics", which aimed to describe Italians in terms of genes, something that to most people was like reading Chinese anyway. So in a way I tried to remove useless and biased references on race, genes and other ridiculous information that don't really fit in a serious encyclopaedia article in the first place. But as you can see it's not easy because most of the editors here care about blondes, brunettes, blood relations to german and french vs spanish and greek etc. For example the last paragraph of the "Origins" section that speaks about genetics was added by someone else. I see your point clearly, I wish the article spoke more of Italian culture but the majority is interested in more shallow topics, while the "culture" section remains extremely poor. And this is not something that is restricted to this article, the majority of ethnic articles deal with similar chauvinism (see the Talk pages in Spanish people and Portuguese people). I think you should go on and make some edits without worrying about the language issue, it will be copyedited by someone. For the time being I'll make a small copyedit on the Origins section. Miskin 20:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: About history