Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 22

message: FYI, see CFD here.  A list of pastiches and parodies is already contained at Superman in popular culture, where entries can be explained and sourced.  Postdlf 01:34, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Superman pastiches]] for deletion 

message: I don't think that Damon Matthews is important or notable enough to have his own article. Does anyone else agree? How do we know what is worth an article in this respect? --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see a problem with him having his own article. --Basique 14:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither do I, he appears to be a supporting character from a comic book published by a major North American company. Manhunter isn't one of DC's bigest titles, but they do still publish it. His connection with Obsidian, a character with a siqnificant history, adds to his notability. I wouldn't have created the article myself, but I have no problem with its existance. Stephen Day 15:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the current guidance is to not make an article if there's not enough in secondary sources about the character.  That said, there appears to be secondary material about the character in the external links.  However, I would think if there was an article about the book he's a character in, Damon Matthews could be merged with that article, as it appears the DM article only serves as a recepticle for plot summary.  If there isn't an article about that book, I'm kind of at a loss as to where it would be merged.  This is covered here, I'd think. --PsyphicsΨΦ 00:10, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is where the trickyness of dealing with a shared universe in an encyclopdedic form comes to the forefront. He is primarily a supporting character in Manhunter, but as he is in a romantic relationship with Green Lantern's son. Due to this, an argument could be made that he is also a defacto supporting character for Justice Society of America. As such the character is notable enough that an article dedicated to him shouldn't be out of the question. Stephen Day 06:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd consider Obsidian a JSA supporting character at best during the time he is dating Damon. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 08:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I'm just playing devil's advocate here Stephen Day 00:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supporting characters undeserving of articles 

message: Someone just created the following: :Category:Fictional characters based on insects.
In doing some work recently I noticed that a similar category, :Category:Fictional bug-based characters, had been deleted. I found the specifics here Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 11#Category:Fictional bug-based characters.
In looking at it, the new category does not seem to me to be much better than the previous, if not a flat recreation of it.
Should this be submitted for CfD, Speedy Deletion, or renaming/splitting? — J Greb 14:29, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would nominate for deletion. The category itself is not categorized at all and there are roughly 50 "Spider-Man" related characters who belong in there.~ZytheTalk to me! 15:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, CFD it.  My comments in the bug-based character deletion discussion fully apply to this one as well.  Spiders are arachnids, btw, not insects.  Postdlf 19:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Delete as recreation of deleted category with inadequately defined criteria for inclusion. Doczilla 21:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category question. 

message: A bot just added the Comics wikiprojects template to the talk page of this article, and it already has the Webcomic wikiproject template.  Should I leave it as is?  or remove one of them?  And just to clarify, the comic is in fact a webcomic.--Vercalos 19:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Antihero for Hire]] 

message: (Talk:List of comic book speedsters)
Copying one of my comments from that page to explain:
"The final result was some jackass changing the article for the worse." - I presume that you mean me? I contest the validity of your edit summary that said the page move was done without discussion. I was attempting to revert a page move that have been done without discussion (a single comment that wasn't even on this talk page does not constitute a discussion).  Being bold is fine, but when opposed, a discussion should follow. I also think you might consider your tone, and assume good faith. Right now, I realise that there are a few who wish to make this a "comics only" article, even though that's not what it was (see the earliest edit:). The proper way to do that would be to leave this one as either List of speedsters in fiction or List of fictional speedsters, and create List of speedsters in comics, moving the relevent information to the new page, and placing a  link on this one.  The POV arguement should cease. I'll see about having the article reverted in order to clean up this page move mess. - jc37 00:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it occurs to me that, based on the discussion further up this page, the new created page should be: List of speedsters in comic books.  This of course presumes that "speedsters" is acceptable. - jc37 21:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Fictional speedsters 

message: I've been noticing on some of the article that there will be edits where the before and after for the paragraphs are identical. What type, or types, of edit causes this?
Thanks for bearing with the "new guy"... — J Greb 23:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK... that makes some sense. But what I'm seeing, and where I'm seeing it, makes no sense. The editor is triggering most, if not all of the paragraphs to show as yellow and green. And the comment is simply "Update". It seems almost worthless. — J Greb 22:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor editing/tracking question. 

message: I just re-added the cleanup tag AGAIN to the article. I remember posting here before about it, but another post is needed. The article is almost all bulleted lists: which is clutter. Until the problem is solved, the tag should remain. If anyone can help me keep an eye on the article, that would be helpful. RobJ1981 07:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you feel that the information I and others have added isn't enough to qualify as cleanup Rob then why haven't you done the research required to provide a solution? An email was sent to the editors of Big Bang Comics requesting additional information, they have yet to respond. If you have the information we need then add it. --Basique 00:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the information to clean it up, but that doesn't justify removing the cleanup tag several times for no decent reason. If the page needs cleanup, and can't be cleaned at the present time..leave the tag alone, and wait until cleanup can actually be done.  RobJ1981 00:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The cleanup tag was removed because the people like myself who actually have worked on the page felt that it was cleaned up, it may not have been cleaned up to your criteria, but its about as clean as its going to get. --Basique 11:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The comment "as cleaned up as it's going to get" is rather pessimistic.  If it still needs cleanup, it still needs cleanup.  --PsyphicsΨΦ 19:40, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a page of basically just lists (as I stated before). I don't see how that's considered "clean". RobJ1981 19:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Big Bang Comics]]

message: A discussion developed on Talk:Planetary (comics) whether descriptions of characters as analogues of other characters should be cited. One editor noted that these are widely uncited on Wikipedia. I do not think that this is a good reason to leave anything uncited. Surely there is an article that mentions that the Four are analogues of the Fantastic Four, etc, etc. Wizard interns have filled many non-advertising pages with captions that explain analogues and references in works like Kingdom Come and Top 10; these can be used to cite such information in articles. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 19:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planetary 

message: What was the consensus about creating character articles with the "(Earth-Two)" extension?
The reason I'm asking is Batman (Earth-Two) was just created today... — J Greb 01:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternate continuity characters should be kept in the main continuity article unless they grow too large.  See Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/editorial guidelines#Articles_on_alternate_versions_of_characters. I'd say that article as it stands is of little use to a layperson not intensely familiar with DC timelines/earths. --PsyphicsΨΦ 02:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: This seems reasonable; really the only things that need to be mentioned about the character are 1) the concept of the Earth Two Batman as a means to separate the GA Batman stories from the SA stories; 2) the separate publication of the history after the invention of the concept, to describe his retirement and death.  Really no more than two paragraphs.  Postdlf 19:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A minor thing... 

message: Articles about comics series are not about only the current issues. I just removed the listing of the current cast in X-Men (vol. 2) and replaced it with a link to the List of X-Men teams article because all of the characters are listed. What do we do, however, with the credits information? When a series gets beyond a certain number of issues, this becomes either useless or overwhelming. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 07:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to use Wikipedia standards for notability to establish a short list of notable contributors. Doczilla 07:38, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For Marvel books copy it over to that Marvel wikia that exists and place a link to the diff of the wikipedia page that it exists in, and then add a link in the external links section along the lines of Marvel wikia has more information about whoever.  We should definitely note the creators who launched the book, and other creators who had runs which have generated comment, but that should be done within the text.  I can see that lists of creators could be useful, but we have to decide if we're replicating the GCBDB or not.  Certainly let's not overwhelm the series articles with this stuff.  If there is a consensus to keep this stuff, start separate list articles. Hiding Talk 20:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|supercbbox}} 

message: I've noticed that on several of my pages the same person, namely 201.239.238.20, has been putting bogus names in. I caught it on 5 of my pages and corrected it, asking whoever to source stuff such as this, if it is factual. Can anything be done to stop this?
Tullyman 19:25, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You make...no sense. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 19:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Could you link to specific edits by that IP that you're challenging, and provide a source that establishes that the added information is incorrect?  If it's a clear case of intentional misinformation, I can block the IP for vandalism.  Postdlf 19:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check his contributions, the editor at the IP in question is adding alteregos for characters (like Callisto (comics)) without citations.  Agreed, it wasn't all that easy to figure out what he was saying without checking his contributions.  His userpage and talk page edit histories were both pretty clean of any unregistered users.  --PsyphicsΨΦ 19:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry for the confusion...I still don't speak Wiki-ese yet...but Psychics summed it up quite nicely.Tullyman 05:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogus names... 

message: I know we've discussed lists of works before around here, so I figure I'll mention that Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lists of works) is looking for comment. Hiding Talk 22:50, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guidance on lists 

message: Article seems to have been stolen. See talk page. --Raijinili 06:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless someone can quickly remove all copyright violations, make the fiction clear, and provide references for at least one specific comic book issue, that article needs to get deleted ASAP. Doczilla 07:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the heads-up. Even though it has been around for months, the article is still mostly copyvio, so I deleted it.  made a number of articles, primarily about Daredevil's Pals 'N' Gals, but so far, this is the only real copyvio article I can find. I would appreciate some more eyes on his contribs. Also, I cut out a chunk of his Arc the Lad article that still had some copy from IGN. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 08:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Chaste]]