Talk:Czech Republic in the Eurovision Song Contest

message: If Germany, who actually came third-last, is coloured in red, why shouldn't we do it with Czech Republic, who came second-last?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.44.159.115 (talk) 10:50, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a mistake, I'll fix the color for Germany. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:11, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Red-2008

message: Since the country enters officially as 'Czech Republic', should it not be referred to by the same name? DanielEnnisTV ✉ 18:27, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It has always been referred to the country with this name since it is the official one, I don't know who changed its name as if nothing had happened but I hope that someone systems as soon as possible. Dominikcapuan Dominikcapuan 21:28, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech Republic or Czechia? 

message: I notice that in the gallery at the bottom of the page, all the white performers have been included, while the only 2 non-white participants (gypsy.cz and Benny Cristo) have been omitted. While I know country pages don't show all participants in the gallery, it's rather conspicuous, especially as Benny was one of the most recent competitors. The Czech Republic has a reputation for being one of, if not the most racist countries in Europe toward black people and Roma people, omitting the black and Roma participants isn't helping. Please either add them both, or at least delete one of the white participants (e.g. Martina Barta or Tereza Kerndlova) and put Benny Cristo there instead. 2A02:8309:2183:7800:A20B:3B64:D2A6:5207 (talk) 13:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons is limited in the fact that only images which are in the public domain or which have been licensed for non-commercial use are allowed. A small number of non-free imagery is permitted but only when fair use is applicable, which it does not in this case. Please see Wikipedia's image use policy for further information on this. Your assertion that this is a racist decision is categorically false, and is simply because there are no applicable images of those two artists within Wikimedia Commons. There may be some images of these artists available, however the purpose of this section is to highlight specifically their performances at Eurovision, and is not a place to add random images of competing artists outside of Eurovision. The reasoning I would suspect for why there are no applicable photos of Benny Cristo is that that year's contest was held under COVID conditions, and so the number of people attending would be lower, leading to fewer people who might upload their own photos. Should relevant photos of their performances on stage at Eurovision become available then of course they can be added. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. The editors in support of the proposal presented a policy-based argument for why the title can be changed to Czechia and WP:CONSISTENCY does not apply but they failed to provide a policy-based argument for why the title should be changed to Czechia. Those in opposition, however, did present such an argument; they claimed that in relation to Eurovision "Czech Republic" remains the WP:COMMONNAME.
As this claim was made without evidence it was a weak argument but as those in support of this move did not reject the claim I find it sufficiently convincing to establish a consensus against this move. However, should there be evidence now or in the future that in relation to Eurovision "Czechia" is the common name then a new move request would be appropriate and likely to find consensus. 
The alternative proposal, to maintain the title of the article but pipe links to it as Czechia, is beyond the scope of an RM and has too wide an impact to discuss solely on this page. (non-admin closure) BilledMammal (talk) 08:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Czech Republic in the Eurovision Song Contest →  – The country looks to be referred to as "Czechia" instead of "Czech Republic" at Eurovision. This page should reflect this change. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What about Chinese Taipei at the Olympics and Great Britain at the Olympics? Are those not names that aren't supposed to be used according to Wikipedia policy? And yet they are because...That's what the teams are called. ImStevan (talk) 15:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

text: * Mostly Support From my point of view, given that the name 'Czechia' is used in contexts such as the European Union (EU), United Nations (UN) and other major international organisations, I think it is appropriate to give this nomenclature a chance in a context such as the ESC, as it too is an event of international significance that reflects the legal and historical evolution of countries (see the case of Turkey now Türkiye) -- Dominikcapuan (talk) 23:53, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

text: * Support only for the contests where the country is actually represented as "Czechia" (in the same way that we only use "North Macedonia" for editions since 2019). ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *:Macedonia way would mean renaming general Czech Republic in the Eurovision Song Contest and then Czech Republic in the Eurovision Song Contest 2023+. Chrz (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *::Yeah, the two situations are not entirely analogous because with North Macedonia the new name has been widely adopted. That matters for article titles, but I don't think that matters as much for what words we use in article text. ―Jochem van Hees (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *:::I proposed this solution because something similar already works for recent hockey championship articles. Chrz (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *::Might be worth also mentioning that a country changing its official name is different than a preference to use a specific variant of a current name. Grk1011 (talk) 18:27, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *::It's also worth noting that Czechia has been an official short name of the country in English since the 1990s, but has only in the last few years been pushed into the consciousness of English speakers through the Czech government. So the situation is not analogous with North Macedonia as that was an official name change, not just a switch from long- to short-name. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 09:34, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

text: * Support with a reservation – it would be analogical to the case of ice hockey. But I think that renaming the article would be also a good vairant. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:12, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

text: * Tentatively support This is probably the least contentious solution, and seems to have some consensus elsewhere. Like Jochem I would only support this for cases where the EBU referred to the country as Czechia (so for 2023 onwards) without changing article titles. I think this situation currently differs from the Macedonia issue as that was a lot more contentious and required a Wikipedia-wide naming convention which currently doesn't exist for Czech Republic/Czechia; if this were to change in future then obviously we would have to align, but for now this could work. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:36, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 February 2023 

message: I don't think that it was a good idea to close it. It was closed just 7 minutes after the last comment (written by ). (Even the template says that it may be closed ‘if consensus has been reached’) I have discussed it on the 's talkpage and I cannot say that I am satisfied with his answers. He came with an argument that I haven't provided evidence that the name Czechia is used in general (I don't know why he did not write it in the discussion here). From my point of view, I don't have to because of WP:NAMECHANGES policy that says:‘Sometimes the subject of an article will undergo a change of name. When this occurs, we give far more weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change. If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match…’ Eurovision uses the name Czechia since the beginning of 2023. Mr Sparrow has also mentioned the problem with WP:CONSUB. I don't see it as a big problem when we have North Macedonia at the Olympics but Macedonia at the 2000 Summer Olympics.  So it seems that in the reality of Wikipedia, WP:NAMECHANGES is higher in the rules hierarchy than WP:CONSUB. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  May discussion closing