Talk:Bethlehem, Pennsylvania

message: Stephen Vincent Benet was not born in Bethlehem, nor did he ever live in Bethlehem (as far as I know).  You can make an argument that his name shouldn't even appear on the Bethlehem page; however, I'd argue that including his name helps to clarify the common misconception that he's from Bethlehem and helps point people in the right direction.  Search the web and you'll see that his birthplace is commonly listed as Bethlehem.  As I recollect, his parents were staying at the Eagle Hotel (site of the current Hotel Bethlehem) just prior to his birth, but headed to Fountain Hill for the actually delivery.  If I'm wrong about any of this, please, by all means correct. Nyutko 01:32, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If he has no affiliation with Bethlehem, then he should come off the page; he is on the Fountain Hill and Lehigh Valley ones, which are appropriate.  PAWiki 02:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Funny--Benet's article page has always said he was from Bethlehem. As I say, Fountain Hill is close enough that that's splitting hairs. And personal recollection isn't good enough to revert. But there were a few people here which I just removed, who were a lot farther off (Allentown, Easton, and Kutztown!) JustinTime55 (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Unless notable for some reason, one year's residence doesn't count. Spelled out, "DJ lived in Bethlehem during his senior year of high school" comes off as trivial, that is, not notable. That's IMHO, but to that I'll add this opinion: cheap entries cheapen other entries on a list. Allreet (talk) 05:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The distinction should be if he *graduated* from HS in Bethlehem, that would be notable. Just living there for a short period, not so much?? 2603:8001:2A00:7428:D5CA:6522:502D:B5B (talk) 20:42, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see WP:USCITIES#Notable people for details. Magnolia677 (talk) 21:00, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Scope of "Notable people"

message: I noticed the article says the Globe-Times stopped publishing in 1991.  But, didn't it actually merge with the Easton Express to form the Express-Times?  Or, did they just tack on part of the name after the Globe died? --Free-world 00:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most likely, given the massive illegal immigration, there's a Spanish-language newspaper.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.97.69.229 (talk) 16:09, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there are Spanish-language newspapers in the Lehigh Valley but not because of illegal immigration but primarily because of the influx of Latinos from New Jersey and New York over the past few decades. Allreet (talk) 05:49, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: The article fails to mention Musikfest at all. Considering it draws over one million people to Bethlehem per year, shouldn't it be mentioned? --Cory Kohn 00:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Musikfest

message: I am deleting Behe from the notable people from Bethlehem section. He was Not born in Bethlehem. He moved here in 1985. --Cory Kohn 00:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Behe

message: It is my understanding that Freedom High School and Northampton Community College are both in Bethlehem Township, not Bethlehem City.  They are two completely separate municipalities.  Does anyone agree these citations should be deleted from Bethlehem City?
Jschnalzer 23:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: NCC is definitely in Bethlehem Township (see http://www.northampton.edu/Welcome/locations.htm), and I believe you're correct about Freedom as well (and I think also the Green Pond campus of Moravian Academy).  I think both schools are worth mentioning in the context of Bethlehem, however; just add verbiage indicating their location.  Perhaps you could beef up the boilerplate Bethlehem Township article, also. --Free-world 03:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of leaving references in Bethlehem City.  I updated the information for both Freedom and NCC.  I don't know enough about Bethlehem Township to add anything significant.  Not to mention I'm not quite familiar enough with editing in Wikipedia to take on such a task at this point.  Jschnalzer 17:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Municipalities 

message: Does the city have an official pronunciation? I've heard plenty of people outside of the area call it Beth-La-Hem, but I've heard it called Beth-Lum by people in the Lehigh Valley and NEPA. Can anyone clarify?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.115.132.109 (talk) 02:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard this too, that it's more like two syllables. Does anyone know? --Golbez (talk) 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Three syllables, as with the place of Christ's birth. The two-syllable variation is a local mispronunciation rooted in poor diction. Do I have source on that? No. Allreet (talk) 05:38, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: @24.115.132.109 I heard people say Beth-lum but beth-le-hem and Beth-la-hem are much more popular. all are correct so no worries. source? I live here. 64.121.147.197 (talk) 03:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: I'm wondering why the Just Born factory, the only one in the world, is not mentioned in the article.  Peeps are known nation-wide and perhaps even world-wide.  Former President Ronald Reagan was an avid lover of Just Born jelly beans.  Other than Bethlehem Steel, Just Born is the most well known part of Bethlehem, PA.PokeHomsar (talk) 15:24, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just Born and Peeps 

message: I believe the paragraph that begins "Associated Moravians founded missions with Algonguian Mahican in the New York colony as well, ..." needs to be moved outside.  It's fascinating; but what does it have to do with Bethlehem's history?  It belongs in the Moravian article.  
But when I go there, I find something odd: it doesn't seem to mention that Moravians settled in North America, founded Bethlehem (!), or ministered to indiginous peoples in NA.  I think both articles would be improved by first expanding the Moravian article (including a link to Bethlehem,) then moving this paragraph there. JustinTime55 (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestions - often more than one article has to be edited to be sure they have complete information.--Parkwells (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Relevance and structure -- History -- Moravians

message: I believe that the article should state that the crime rate in Bethlehem is less than half of Allentown's crime rate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brideye (talk • contribs) 14:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime rate 

message: I remember quite clearly that the pre-1967 star had a cross superimposed on it, which was lit at night around Easter time (instead of the star, which was only lit at Christmas), though that isn't mentioned here. Was the cross continued on the third-generation star, and is it still lit at Easter since the year-round lighting?
This section is nice, but to be strictly "kosher" (sorry for the mixed metaphor) it needs source citation(s). Also, are the 81 feet wide by 53 feet high dimensions correct, or is it the other way around? I believe it was always taller than it is wide. JustinTime55 (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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message: In the Shopping section, the Bethlehem Plaza Mall is identified as being adjacent to W. Broad Street. An internet search for this term turns up nothing other than references to a suburban shopping center:
https://mapcarta.com/22706152
Is this actually a reference to the Marketplace, the former enclosed mall (which closed before Wikipedia existed)? Or does this refer to the pedestrian block, which I believe was called Bethlehem Plaza:
http://digital.lib.lehigh.edu/cdm4/beyond_viewer.php?CISOPTR=21471&ptr=21511&searchworks=search_0__621&DMTHUMB=1
In any case, very words in the Shopping section's opening paragraph hold up, and the absence of citations would help explain this. Furthermore, Main Street, a retail jewel if ever there was one, is only mentioned in passing with no details on its shops or significance as one of the city's key features and most famous attractions. Allreet (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Searching further, I found that Bethlehem Plaza is the tower building at Broad & New, an office building and not an enclosed mall. I'd fix the description but since this is the Shopping section, the material should be removed, which I'll do. I'll also take a stab at re-doing this section. Both Main Street and the South Side deserve better. Allreet (talk) 23:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bethlehem Plaza Mall - what does this refer to? 

message: Zulilly is mentioned as a logistics location is in Bethlehem but is closing and should be taken out  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:387:0:80D:0:0:0:BF (talk) 20:21, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bethlehem