Talk:Che (interjection)

message: Others, however, argue that the word che is derived from the old Spanish word ce (now in disuse).
What does (or did) ce mean? - jredmond 15:36, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: From Real Academia Española - Spain Royal Academy- CE : formerly used to call the attention or stop someone. Ejrrjs 18:49, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: We should include that in the article, then; let me see if I can phrase it appropriately. - jredmond 19:24, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think this is the most likely root, by far.  Argentina is one of the few places that continues to use antiquated Spanish courtly language in common conversation, evolved over time, of course.  Over there we don't say "tu", we say "vos".  This is especially more often the case in Buenos Aires than in the Andean regions, as is the case with "che"; simply put, as you get away from the city and the Spanish heritage, the population talks and looks more like that of surrounding countries.  An evolution from "ce", a hardening of the word, really, would make sense, as Argentine Spanish has become Italianized over time, so that the soft-"y" "yo", in Buenos Aires is said more like "Sho".  This article is waaay too reliant on correlation and conjecture. (Argentina Dan 00:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Spanish word ''ce''? 

message: Is che really used in Valencia?
I've certainly never heard it.  — Chameleon 14:18, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Perhaps it is not that common but you can see, as a sample, this forum with an interchange in both Spanish and Valencià Ejrrjs | What? 18:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can you find more examples?  — Chameleon 19:01, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  How many? :-) Ejrrjs | What? 19:14, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I don't think that the link clearly shows that Valencians use the term.  — Chameleon 19:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you asking me to develop an ethnologic study? Could I apply for a grant? More stuff: TEST PERA A VALORAR ELS TEUS CONEIXIMENTS DE VALENCIÀ, ¡CHE QUE BÒ!, Charanga Che Que Bo, A forum "blavero". Now, I didn't have to spend too much effort, did I? Ejrrjs | What? 19:31, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

text: It's really not common though.  The word that Valencians really say all the time is nano.  — Chameleon 19:58, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The DRAE agrees. Regarding Valencian, I would say that xe is the normative form (there are no rights and wrongs in the dialect continuum). Some guys will object. Ejrrjs | What? 20:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  BTW, I've updated the article to reflect this interchange. Ejrrjs | What? 20:50, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've been questioning some Valencians, and it seems it's more common than I thought.  — Chameleon 17:34, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ¿Valencia? 

message: It seems that tchê (same meaning) is used in Rio Grande do Sul Portuguese. I'll try to get some support on this before updating the article. Ejrrjs | What? 01:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Brazil

message: What is duplicated is the "See also" header. And no, I don't think that Guevara's biography is a valid addendum wrt the meaning of the word che. User:Ejrrjs  says What? 19:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Che Donalds - McGuevara 

message: "Che" is not used in Costa Rica as a vocative* as the user Ejrrjs states. The word we use for that purpose is mae or maje. No one really uses "che" unless he is trying to fake the argentinan "accent".
:Fine with me; that is not something I *stated* anyway. See Revision as of 14:42, 4 May 2005 (edit) by Elpincha. Ask him to know why he stated that. User:Ejrrjs  says What? 22:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Che is not used in Costa Rica 

message: From the discussion here, it looks to me like there's two original words:
*Spanish ce, "hey"
*Native South American che, "man"
When the cultures met, they ended up with one word with both meanings. Wouldn't be the first time that sort of thing has happened... my memory's failing me for another good example at the moment, though. -- Jake 22:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a Seattleite, I can tell you that Japanese hai! ("yes") and American hi! (greeting) tend to merge among Japanese Americans here, so that a distinctly Japanese hai! becomes a greeting. But I'm getting off topic. And unless we can find a citation for the merged etymology, it would be OR to suggest it. - Jmabel | Talk 00:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  But che doesn't mean man in Spanish. That is, you have three meanings for "X", one that is documented in Older Spanish and is still used in València and another one with a different meaning ("man") and a 3rd one with still another meaning ("my"). Could it be...a coincidence? We're not talking about Rumpelstinkin after all. User:Ejrrjs  says What? 21:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am guessing that you mean Rumpelstiltskin? - Jmabel | Talk 23:07, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yup, which illustrates my point. User:Ejrrjs  says What? 08:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both? 

message: Is it correct to add that the word in its use as a reference to an unnamed person is the same to the word "buddy" as used in Canada (and maybe some parts of the USA, although I am not sure about this as I only heard it since I moved to Canada from Britain)? Also, maybe equivalent to "yer man" which is used in Britain, I think of Irish or specifically Ulster origin. It means literally Your man and is used when you refer to a third person, someone whose name you do not know/recall but which is known by the person you are speaking to.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.188.154 (talk) 11:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparable to 'buddy'? 

message: not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 10:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Che (Spanish) → Che — Che (Spanish) should be moved tp Che, because the Che denonym was given to ernesto Guerava after this very used word in Argentina, and so I think that as per WP:NAME Che should have the contents of Che (Spanish). -FixmanPraise me 02:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move