Talk:Stop Snitchin'

message: I am too guilty of using too many external links. When writing articles for Wikipedia, all editors must advise themselves that there is no place for Advertising, Opinion, Wessel Words and Spamming. I advise all users who contribute to this article to look at Wikipedia's not. Also look for Wikipedia's spam policy, keeping a neutral point of view and citing sources. This is a rule, in a nutshell. Please use this wisely and do not promote this advertising. This article is oozing with external links (spam) and nonsense. It's too irrelevant for the writers to clean up this article due to it's growing fan base. Prodominately this article look like it needs some efficient cleaning. LILVOKA 01:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the cover. I'll add. -Jahenderson 04:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, your changes greatly improved the article. Rhobite 00:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! GroupX
-- I took out the reference to omerta, because they in principal deal with different groups. Omerta refers to a policy of noncooperation among members of the mafia and their families. The stop snitching video discourages anyone who knows about a crime, regardless of their relation to the criminal enterprise, from cooperating. -Jahenderson 18:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spamming and External Links

message: - I took out the characterization of the videos and shirt as a movement, substituting the word 'campaign.' That's cause the word movement suggests something more ... legal, or really something with a goal outside of witness intimidation for witness intimidation's sake. Compare the term "civil rights movement" with "stop snitching movement" for a second, and you'll get what I mean. -Jahenderson 04:30, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Movement

message: Someone care to enumerate what the problem is here that has led to an RfC?  Which sections specifically do you see as being a problem?  It needs some WP:EL cleanup, could use better sourcing, and needs cleanup (Omertà for example isn't a valid reference here, it should be in a "See Also" section.  From an NPOV sense this article shouldn't support or oppose this effort, it should just explain what it is and if necessary show (with sources) some notable people who have supported or opposed it.  Also, the Carmelo Anthony section should be removed unless someone provides a source.--Isotope23 20:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I sourced the Carmelo Anthony references.  I think the Skinny Suge claim should be removed asap without a source.  Wikipedia shouldn't report that a living person is "currently incarcerated" without a reference.  The tag has been there a few weeks, I wasn't able to see reference to any part of it accept at places like myspace, so it should be removed.Professor marginalia 22:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC

message: A reference to the controversy over the cartoon in Florida Times-Union seems appropriate to me. Kjetilho 18:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida Times-Union controversy 

message: I was just reading the NY Times article about Jay Z's latest work on a soundtrack for "American Gangster".  The latter part of page 1 in the article cites Jay Z's view on the Stop Snitchin' campaign.  He reiterates the intent of the campaign being "Stop Snitchin' to get a Lighter Sentence" and I gather that really WAS the true intent when the movement started.
"Echoing the “stop snitchin’ ” campaign among some hip-hop fans and artists, however, Jay-Z hastened to dissociate himself from Mr. Lucas’s decision to cooperate with the authorities to get a more lenient sentence.
“Me, I believe you choose your path and you walk your path, and whatever happens you got to accept it,” Jay-Z said.
In “No Hook,” a song on the new album, he says:
Please don’t compare me to other rappers. Compare me to trappers.
I’m more Frank Lucas than Ludacris. And Lude is my dude, I ain’t trying to dis.
Just like Frank Lucas is cool, but I ain’t tryin’ to snitch.
I’m-a follow the rules, no matter how much time I’m-a get.
I’m-a live and die with the decisions that I’m-a pick."
Had I not read that article AND the article here on Wikipedia (found it on Google), I would not have understood that meaning at all.  I'm forced to agree with anyone, like myself, who might initially interpret the meaning as "Stop Snitchin' OR ELSE!" and it appears that the movement has indeed headed in that direction.  I'll add some fuel to that fire and point out some Stop Snitchin' supporters just opened the web site Who's a Rat which lists informants AND agents who have NOTHING to do with anyone getting lighter sentences.  I realize that this isn't a forum for a debate on Stop Snitchin' so I'll get to my point here on the Talk Page immediately.  This particular article has had a GREAT deal of work done on it and I found it to be an EXTREMLY useful and almost balanced presentation of the facts - providing adequate resources to form my own opinions on the matter.  As for the article's notability...type it in Google and tell me it's not notable.  As for the NPOV, there remains a small amount of work to be done, some citation cleanup is needed, but I believe the dispute over a NPOV is nearly resolved given the additional work that's been put in.LactoseIntolerant 17:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV Issue Seems Quite Mitigated

message: *Two different theories about the origin of "Stop Snitching"
*First theory is not referenced
*Second theory is quasi-spam
*Poor grammar and organization
*Is the section on "The Snitching Project" really notable?
In any case, his article needs some serious cleanup.  I'll take the initiative.  Huntthetroll (talk) 01:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Flaws 

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