Talk:M-95 Degman

message: Since when is M-84 a Croatian tank? That was a Yugoslavian tank, not Croatian, and many factories produced components for the final product. Therefore, that should be corrected.
It says pre 1991 Yugoslav. Try reading the text more carefully.
I Changed it.  Now its right.
Well, some Slovene loving Croat (89.172.201.48) seems to have changed it again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.210.214.97 (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Croatian tank?

message: As some of you already know, Yugoslavia had a project of a next generation MBT based on M84 - the Vihor tank. In 1989-1990, two chassis were manufactured for testing purposes, and they scored over 50000 km of test runs on Yugoslavia's tank polygons. When the war started, they were under testing at Pasuljanske Livade Polygon (present day Serbia). Djuro Djakovic, however, had received 6 prototype turret casts (only turrets without any subcomponents, or gun) from Slovenia (turret and hull were casted in present day Slovenia). In 1994, the Degman was made by fitting the new turret with original M84's electronics and gun, then mounted on a M84 hull. Reactive armor was later applied. It was by no means battle ready tank when shown (it lacked the FCS on the victory parade in Zagreb (1995), also had no autoloader). Throughout the years it has been perfected with Western electronics and subsystems, and today it is a very decent tank. However, beyond the 6 original turrets, i fail to see the possibility for any production, since the Slovenske Železarne have destroyed the molds for the turret and hull of Vihor tank, and all of the documentation for that tank is held by Belgrade VTI. Only way that it could be made possible would mean subcontracting a foreign production of turrets, but that would lead to the problem of having to cannibalise the current Croatian M84s for their hulls. My opinion is that modernisation is possible (with GREAT costs), but production of new tanks is nothing more but a fairy tale.
Likewise, the two now-Serbian Vihor hulls have been completed with M84 turrets and new auto-loaders. When i saw them, they appeared battle-ready, however they have been mothballed since 1997. So that project can be considered dead.
I am unable to provide you with any published sources because this can be claimed to be a military secret of more than one country. Then again, i wonder what kind of a tank would Vihor be if one was to be assembled from Serbian hulls and Croatian turrets... But one mustn't wonder on Wikipedia.
Also, i believe that both the Croatia and Serbia have bigger problems than ones regarded to tank modernisations.
To any moderator reading this, i'd like to point your attention that article needs a cleanup, since no country has ever asked for purchasing Degmans, not even Croatia. Croatian Sabor has never allowed the purchase/modernisation of M95s.
Best regards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.178.188 (talk) 20:22, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
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