Talk:Voiced velar approximant

message: This webpage indicates that the Velar approximant is used in Spanish whenever the letter /g/ is not before a nasal or starting a word...I am a native Spanish-speaker and even if I have heard this phoneme used, I wouldnt consider it a rule...The phrase "el gato" is commonly pronounced (at least in Venezuela) [el-'ga.to] and not [el-ˈɰa.to].
:I think the example was indeed badly chosen. A better one would be "la gata" [la ɰata]. According to Spanish phonology, el gato can be either  or . FilipeS 00:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think so too, i'm a Spanish speaker and I'm sure the word "algo" (something) is pronounced /'alɰo/ rather than /'algo/, because it would sound like /'alko/ to a Spanish speaker.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.137.241.251 (talk) 00:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

text: The velar approximant is much more prevalent in Iberian Spanish than Latin-American Spanish. It can be clearly heard in the pronunciation of words like "lugar" and "pagar" as said by a Spaniard.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.124.151 (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish? 

message: The article should mention the fact that the symbol /ɣ/ is often used for this phone, with or without a lowering diacritic. FilipeS 16:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another symbol 

message: …has the back close unrounded vowel, , as a phoneme, not the voiced velar approximant, , so I removed the claim that it had the approximant. David Marjanović 20:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It exists in Mandarin. Pinyin syllables with a plain "e" are pronounced [ɯ̯ʌ], that was the vowel you mentioned. But if the syllable is only "e" without onset, it becomes [ɰʌ]. It's the same thing with [i] becoming [j]. --Explosivo (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandarin... 

message: [...] <ɰ> is specifically unrounded.
Could this be a nonstandard way of saying that <ɰ> is voiced? FilipeS (talk) 20:35, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  It means that <> does not have a labial element like <w> does.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

text: is neutral to rounding.  Is there a way that this can be more clearly articulated in the article?  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 20:46, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Right.  I was trying to get the article to say that too.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: That's a good idea.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 21:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrounded? 

message: In my opinion, the person on the recording is pronouncing a fricative and not an approximant. There's too much noise here - the approximant is "gentler". I happen to know that, because I often use this approximant as a replacement of the standard rhotic of my native Bulgarian (an alveolar trill), but since this argument doesn't weigh much per se, compare the renditions in two of the external links from the IPA article:
*Paul Meier Dialect Services — IPA Charts, including English diphthongs
*IPA chart with MP3 sound files for all IPA symbols on the chart (limited version is available to anyone)
--91.148.159.4 (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound file 

message: I'd definitely add intervocalic 'g' in all these three languages, just as in Spanish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.135.103 (talk • contribs) 
:Yes, for the first two.  These claims are backed up, respectively, by
::* page 10 (though this can also be a fricative)
::* page 121
:However, in Northern Portugal, sources I've seen say they're fricatives, not approimants.  — Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 05:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Catalan, Galician, Northern Portuguese

message: Icelandic saga [ˈsaɣa] 'history, story, saga' 	See Icelandic phonology 
Oh, I see: The IPA symbol ⟨ɣ⟩, which otherwise signifies a voiced velar fricative, is sometimes used for the velar approximant as well (with a lowering diacritic ⟨ɣ˕⟩ when specificity is required).. So, why not use ɰ as in the other examples? -- megA (talk) 17:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it has something to do with the traditional description of Icelandic. I don't care if you change it, though it would be good to have a citation to confirm that it is really the approximant that is used in this specific instance. --JorisvS (talk) 16:42, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know enough about Icelandic to do that; I was wondering because this article deals with ɰ, not with ɣ, so the example would not actually belong here... The above sentence ("is sometimes used") also doesn't explain what "sometimes" means... -- megA (talk) 09:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be something similar with Spanish, where it's often an approximant but can be more constricted in emphatic speech.  — Æµ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 03:24, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icelandic example: where's the ɰ?