Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 2

message: It IS in the magazine, yet someone still deletes the part about Nintendo Power revealing more caracters in their next issue! PLEASE stop, for they said they would. ONLY remove it IF Nintendo Power does not reveal characters. OK? ~Seros 01:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I stated further down on this page, where's the evidence that they won't just be "revealing" Pit, Metaknight, Wario, Zero-Suit Samus, and Snake? --HeroicJay 06:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: STOP deleting the Nintendo Power part!

message: 'Also, music by Tupac Sukkur and Biggie Smalls are in the game.'
what?? Is this for real? I'm thinking probably not since Tupac's last name doesnt look right to me. I'm pretty new at doing this.. but i'm sure this is rubbish, so i'm gonna remove it, am i right in doing so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kokiri kid (talk • contribs) 09:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't sound right to me, I guess you're right in deleting it.  Please sign your comments.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 21:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: This is a place not to discuss Super Smash Bros. Brawl, but the article on Super Smash Bros. Brawl.  And sign your posts.  Hitting the signature button doesn't hurt.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 18:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (rolls eyes) Don't hold your breath ; ) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: Is triva really necessary? Do we really need to mention other fighting games Snake has been in?
Starmenclock 19:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Triva: do we need it?

message: "(probably from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance or the recently announced Fire Emblem (Wii) as it shows the Daein crest)"
Is that confirmed anywhere? All I see are flags and no crests on them. 24.211.23.77 21:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it isn't confirmed, as far as I know. It's just speculation. That comment should probably be changed/removed, anyway; While it could easily be a Fire Emblem stage, that's not the Daein Crest. ShadowRegulus 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, it is the Daein creast. On the official Nintendo forum, someone lightened a pic of it. It IS the Daein creast, so that might mean a certain character who's name starts with an I, has a K, and ends with a E in the game... Well, I hope so... ~ Seros 00:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not discounting the possibility that Nintendo will introduce a new Daein Crest for FE10, but I'm positive that it is not the Daein Crest from Path of Radiance; the only similarity between the two is that they both feature what looks like a black dragon on a red background. The dragon symbol is completely different on them, however. How people can see the comparison and not be convinced that they aren't the same crest is beyond me...ShadowRegulus 16:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Path of Radiance?

message: Shouldn't we put something to the effect of "It is expected that all playable characters from Super Smash Bros. Melee will return as playable characters in SSBB." the Great Canadian Ben 13:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we don't know that. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 13:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the creator hinted at all the charaters remaining in the next game on SSB Dojo.71.225.125.214 15:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't even bend my head around that. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only comment on SSB Dojo regarding all the classic Melee characters remaining was in reference of Masahiro Sakurai not becoming the game's director, in which case Nintendo would have made a sequel themselves with no new characters, and no old characters being removed. --Smoke 11:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant more expected among fans, rather than as an official statement. the Great Canadian Ben 20:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old characters 

message: Oh, please... this is an Enclyopedia, there is enough rumors on the boards already. Deleting that part.Seiferalmas 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd Party Companies that are wanted in 

message: I'm not entirely too sure that the logo currently on the page is official. Taking a look at the metadata, it was made in Paint.NET. I may upload the logo from the video instead. What do some others think? TheKeithD 20:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was probably copied and saved in a paint doc, opposed to saved straight. Use your judgement, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you're right about that. I'll leave it alone for now. TheKeithD 20:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's official. Check IGN.com. He modified it in paint because the art was coupled with another identical logo on a black background. He removed it. -Spire 00:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  That logo 

message: stop deleting the confirmed characters, ok? i mean, seriously, it's something we all want to know --PopiethePopester 16:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stop deleteing 

message: I don't think the video made it clear if Zero-Suit Samus will entirely replace the old version or just be another option, although the entry stated this.  I rephrased it to explain the possibility of two "Samuses" or just Zero-Suit.  Any feedback? WikiFew 03:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure none of the originals will change, and no one wants Samus minus her arm cannon.--Viridis 04:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Suited Samus not being there isn't even a possibility. I don't see any logical reason to think Zero-Suit is a replacement. Voice of Treason 03:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zero-Suit would have to have different attacks since she doesn't have the arm cannon, so I don't think there's any chance she'll replace the orinal Samus. ButchRocket 21:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you look in the trailer stills, you'll see it's actually the Metroid Fusion Samus who fires the cannon. Well original Samus fires it, and then the suit goes green and yellow and starts to break away. See the stills, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The suit "changes color" because of the bluish light of that humongous blast.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 17:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Erm, No, the suit doesn't change from Varia to Fusion...--Claude 02:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, purple is a color.  Go off and play now. urutapu 18:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from potential personal attacks, please keep cool. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She's in there because she has her own SSBB Stock Art. They're both going to be in there, we just don't know if they'll be the same character that can transform from one to the other or two completely seperate characters. RememberMe? 20:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we even talking about the same thing anymore?!  And what personal attack, HighwayCello?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 20:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is made clear that it is "not a pure character addition" meaning that Samus would under certain conditions change into Zero-Suit Samus. Something to think about however is if you decide to change to Zero-Suit Samus, would you be able to get your armor back and become Armored Samus? I edited that part saying that it would most likely not be able to become armored again because the suit has to be destroyed to become Zero-Suit. deecee 09:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Samus can freely switch back and forth between being in the Power Suit or just being in the plain old thong suit in the Metroid series. There's nothing that says that she can't restore the suit on the site, just that getting out of the suit is something that occurs "under certain conditions." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ClaudeLv250 (talk • contribs) 09:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to the movie where her suit was destroyed by the charge shot. This may be the "certain conditions" and this supports my theory that you cannot regain the suit. But maybe there is an item? By the way Claude, please put four tildes. deecee 10:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't you all seen suited Samus shot the super smash attack??? She is probably a separate character. Sanosuke Sagara 12:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I was trying to address HeroicJay's concerns about the ambiguous wording of the website. The website doesn't specify anything about whether the "certain conditions" even occur during a match. I think they do, based on the trailer and the webpage, but whether I believe it is not enough for it to be included in the article. I think the concerns about vagueness were about whether these conditions were merely "unlocking" criteria to allow another selection on the character screen. Given the fact that trailers are frequently misleading, this is not out of the question. Do we know that we're going to see that mushroom-cloud whenever Wario performs his Waft maneuver during a match? In addition, the website is not explicit enough to rule it out definitively. This site seems to be full of unverified speculation and original research as it is. I am tempted to excise a good majority of the content under the policy, but I feel I would be stepping on the toes of fans, who seem to have put a good deal of effort into that content. For the most part I've just reworded things. But for now I am reverting the change. Let me know if you're super-opposed to this. Dancter 14:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dancter sounds entirely right.  This is what makes future products so hard:  they're in the future!--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 01:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replacement Samus or Alt Samus? 

message: I just read 50 cent would be a character, and I was appalled. Then somebody took it off, and saved my very soul. Thank you. I hate everything about 50 cent and so this is overwhelmingly joyous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.213.29.203 (talk • contribs) .
:Was a comment about your gullability worth adding to this page? Xubelox 05:57, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes it was. What the heck! 50 cent! AHHHHH! He isn't even in any videogames! AHHHHH! DuctoMan 20:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ahem. You may want to do some research. It's not a fact that the world should be proud of, but this guy's ugly mug is everywhere.--Agent Aquamarine 01:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WHY!!!!! Why would anybody make a video game for him!! WHY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! DuctoMan 19:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you so very much 

message: A couple of sentences in the "items and abilities" section are confusing me a bit, specifically these two:
"Videos also suggest new battle mechanics, such as "super smash" character moves that are triggered by the collection of emblem items."
"It has been shown in a screenshot that a new item will call out a large puppy from Nintendogs which blocks the screen."
First, are there any other videos out besides the E3 trailer?  Secondly, the Nintendog is in the E3 video - should this sentence be changed to say that that's where it's from, or is there an official collection of screenshots not related to the E3 trailer floating around? --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:46, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is only one trailer, and the Nintendogs image is in the gallery. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you much.  I've rephrased the sentences in question slightly. --Sparky Lurkdragon 22:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Video or videos?

message: Let's get something straight, people.  Sakurai DID NOT say that all characters would be returning and be untouched.  His comment was that if he hadn't directed the game, that's probably what Nintendo would have done.  We don't know whether or not they'll all return, and it's possible they won't.  Characters have been axed from fighting games before.  SSB isn't special.  Regardless of what you believe, there is no proof either way, so I think it's best not to add a note on this subject on the page Xubelox 06:02, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old characters

message: I'm just wondering, should this article be named "Super Smash Bros. Dojo"? The official Smash Bros. website appears to call it Dojo, and not Brawl. Perhaps Brawl was an early name (kept for E3),  and Dojo is the final one? --Falcon9x5 11:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty certain that "Dojo" is just the website. Wait for a press release with a new name before we make any page moves. --Shadow Hog 13:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes of course. Sorry, the idea never struck me (I automatically assumed Dojo was the game, not the website). --Falcon9x5 13:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dojo?

message: Please don't add an image for every single line of the text, it looks hideous, and isn't required. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused as to why this image is under the screenshots category (or even in the article at all), as it is just a mockup of what was shown in the trailer. I suggest someone replace it with an actual screenshot from the actual scene. Chu 04:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not even a mock-up; someone uploaded a user-made picture over the original. Voice of Treason 18:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's crappy, I'd report it for delete it. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it, someone thought it was funny to replace the image with a spoof version, which I reverted. Crisis averted. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The fourth paragraph under "Development" states that techniques from Super Smash Bros. Melee will probably be able to be used, such as "wavedashing," "L-cancelling," and "edge guarding."  Shouldn't we just take out these examples of techniques?  There is no official name for any technique used in SSBM, and the average reader (alright, just about every reader) won't understand these terms.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 21:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On an afternote, couldn't these techniques be usable no matter what controller you were using?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only term I think people will know about is Wave Dashing. ...I've never heard of the other two.Sukecchi 21:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That entire sentence is nothing but speculation, chock full of fan terms that you wouldn't know unless you hung around in elitist SSB board circles. Basically, I don't know why it's on there.--Claude 21:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, edge guarding doesn't take much thought to figure out:  guarding an edge while you keep an opponent from getting back on the stage.  Even so, removal sounds reasonable.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I was a bit dubious about this sentence myself; I edited it so it would have a slightly more formal tone, but perhaps we should just remove it entirely. --Sparky Lurkdragon 21:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was in the mind to just take it out myself...more formal tone?  I don't think I can detect a single change...The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From Nintendo Power Spetember 2005 Issue Volume 195:
"Wavedashing is a tactic where players slide across a board by jumping, blocking, and pressing a direction in quick succession-so quick that the jump is actually skipped. It is hands-down the most difficult move, and it's mind-boggling to see in action. Luigi, Ice Climbers, and marth are probably the best wavedashers."
...I don't even know why I'm defending this, but wavedashing is acknowledged to be a true technique.Sukecchi 22:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: But how many readers are going to know about this?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 17:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have heard of Wave Dashing, but have no idea what it actually is. The others, I've never even heard of.--Agent Aquamarine 22:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's completely speculation, I'm getting rid of it. THey probably haven't even considered the use of a brand new engine.. possibly. Anyway, For those wondering what "L-cancelling" and "Wavedashing" is, I'll explain to you. It's a real move, there's an official name to wavedashing, but I can't remember.  It's basically L/R-dodging diagonally into the ground, and sliding across it. For best results, Dodge immediately after jumping off the ground, to the point where you hardly see the jumping animation. "L-cancelling" is pressing L/R when you touch the ground after any aerial action to halve the recovery time. Like after getting knocked onto the ground, or being unable to move after an Up-B move. - Zero1328 Talk? 06:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Techniques 

message: Does anybody know whether there will be trophies in this game? 69.40.248.212 20:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Studio probably knows, but other than them and high-ranking Nintendo officials, nope, nobody knows.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 20:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There will be. Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 17:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And you know this how?--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 20:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trophies 

message: Does anyone know where lyrics or a trnslation for "A Main Theme with Emotion" could be found, if anywhere?--Supermariorobot 07:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Outside of several satirical English interpretations, it remains untranslated.--Agent Aquamarine 01:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme Music 

message: I did add it, but it was deleted, Isn't the name of the song A Main Theme with Emotion from what the official website says? --Bebopblue 18:54, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, the source is the official Super Smash Bros. site.  A heading nearby says "A Main Theme with Emotion," but that isn't necessarily the name of the theme.  It might not even have a name.  That could just be describing the music.  A section for the music sounds reasonable, but there isn't that much information on it.--The Ninth Bright Shiner talk 19:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Theme Name Debate 

message: Has it been confirmed that this game is being developed by Sora?
199.126.137.209 23:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The webpage makes that quite clear.--Agent Aquamarine 01:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's that clear. Likely, but not clear. There isn't any explicit statement that says that Sora is developing it. HeroicJay recently referenced a page which states that it's being developed "by Masahiro Sakurai of Sora," which does not confirm that it is being developed by Sora. It does list Sora as the developer in the information box, but I don't find it too convincing. Dancter 18:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems the issue is being discussed further in #Developers. Dancter 21:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: "So it was that Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto introduced me to a "particular team" that had just completed a large-scale game. ... Until the day comes when I can announce the team's name, I shall simply refer to them as "The Studio."". Clearly he wouldn't need introducing to his own company. Nothing confirms the Sora development. Just because he refers to himself as "of Sora" isn't a sign that they're developing this particular game. It would be appreciated if the user adding this would discuss it here, in the talk page. A Super Smash Brothers fansite can't be taken as a "credible" source unless they have a quote from a developer or a press release or something, even if it's part of Gamespy's network. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 18:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Another revert, and my last. I don't want to take this to an RfC or something over a dumb section in the infobox, but I'd rather do that than involve myself in an edit war. Come on, can you at least give a decent reasoning for verifiability before putting it back in? Talk pages are here for a reason. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 19:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Main page of Dojo says Nintendo and Hal...no mention of Sora Ltd. anywhere.
All I'm going to say is this is getting ridiculous, pick something already.Sukecchi 19:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Development Team

message: Those images only show SSB models, and two pictures of the character? Should the pictures be reworded or taken off? RidE the Lightning! 22:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images of character "models" 

message: "Sakurai has confirmed that not all characters from Super Smash Bros. Melee will return."
Any jap readers among us? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heard it before, and even if the translation I was given was 100% accurate I would prefer to hear it as official news (like Nintendo coming out and saying, "These are all the characters we're using, no more," or something.) --HeroicJay, who's still too lazy to log in. 20:39, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I guess press releases are worth waiting for. But in case you're curious, I found a decent translation and discussion about the topic here. -- ShikiMSHTS 21:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not tottaly official in America yet, it hasn't been announced here, but it was supposedly revealed in Japan. Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 21:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (breaths deeply) Could you please you English when writing messages, sending messages through a spell checker is always useful if unsure. What does "k Hic" mean? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not true, dont worry. The message basicly meant "We will try to put in as many characters as possible, but it could be hard as we struggled to get 25/26 into melee". Several members at gamefaqs and elsewhere took this out of proportion.-sdhonda 23:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I can use English if I so choose: I simply hace decided that I do not mind if my grammar is imperfect on Wikipedia.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 01:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: Would a source be too much to ask for, mm?  Because otherwise we're going to assume it's vandalism. Thanos6 05:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geno and the rest 

message: It must be stored in the server that crashed. -- ReyBrujo 16:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that what happened? Makes sense. Similar things are happening to me on other pages too, but I can load the histories and edit just fine... I just can't load the page itself. --HeroicJay 16:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... now it doesn't seem it crashed, but the connection went down. Time to check IRC. -- ReyBrujo 16:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Going through the history's archive, it works now... but I'm not on the same computer as the one I used when it didn't work. --HeroicJay 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive image 

message: The official site is extremely vague. It does say that both forms of Samus are playable, but I don't think it's safe to be jumping to any conclusions just yet. --HeroicJay 02:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I re-added it after your revert briefly, then realized what you were getting at. Hopefully my current edit addresses the ambiguity well enough. Dancter 03:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully "certain conditions" are like, playing 300 vs matches, or beating Samus's adventure mode in 6:00 minutes.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 17:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, that would make it more likely to be a second character. The official site makes it sound most likely that it's the same character, or it wouldn't go to the effort to say "certain conditions" at all. I'd think it's more along the lines of the Zelda/Sheik transformation or something. Still pretty speculative, though. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 18:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Certain conditions" 

message: Can we get some sources for those? If Nintendo really said it was by an item then that wouldn't be so hard to add but the stages one might be tough. Sukecchi 23:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw something on IGN about the stage. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You cant always trust ign. I believe they Speckulated that it was an item. Nothing about the nintendog has been confiremdQwerasdfzxcvvcxz 01:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source of Nintendogs and Stages

message: Can someone knowledgeable on the subject write about Kirby's abilities? Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 09:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I happen to know quite a bit about Kirby. What sort of abilities do you mean, other than the fact that he can suck up enemies and steal their abilities? His jumping and such? 72.87.38.186 21:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The chef ability and the other ones. I wanted there to be some info about his Super Smash attack, but I would have no clue where to go. Thanks, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well where is that ability from? Has it been in more than one game? Is it a new ability? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cook ability is from Kirby Super Star, I think. I know it appeared in that game (although I'm not positive if it originated there or not.) - 65.188.59.31 12:49, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's content right there! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 13:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been in a few Kirby games, including the most recent GBA title(cant remember the name), and maybe the first GBA title.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 17:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kirby 

message: We all know that Solid Snake was in the trailer, and it seems like he'll be in there. But, has anyone noticed that he's not on the characters list on Dojo? Does this mean he might be - dare I say it? - a hoax? RememberMe? 20:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's the final silhouette. They're taking longer to write his profile tis all. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. RememberMe? 00:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. Heres the facts 1)Solid Snake was in the trailer. 2)Solid Snake will be a playable character in SSBB. 3)He is on the character list on SSBDojo. 4)The character list on SSBDojo is updated weekly.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 13:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Solid Snake... 

message: This section was recently added, and my removal will likely get some dispute from the author (hence my creation of this section, just incase). However, it was a large pile of speculation topped off with a lack of sources. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 01:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, looking at the revision history it looks as if a user has previous added some of this, before it was reverted similarily. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 02:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we should not have a rumors section until the game is out.  When and if it gains any really infamous rumors, like Melee's Sonic and Tails thing, then we can create a rumors section. --Sparky Lurkdragon 02:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, it's an AOLer, so I doubt it can be stopped with much success. I also have doubts that they'll even read this talk page to see the nice happy section I created for them. Oh well. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 02:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  " Rumored Characters " Section 

message: Look at it here: http://www.n-sider.com/articleview.php?articleid=518&page=4 75.8.255.17 01:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated bits about Nobuo Uematsu's involvement 

message: I decided to put symbol affiliations for each character. This would be used for future use for the next few characters to be confirmed. I just put Letter symbol for Wario instead of W Symbol so that it would if ever include Donkey Kong and others who use letters as their symbol. Since we still do not know the symbol of Solid Snake, I just put it as ? Symbol. If ever people disapprove to this and decide to just change it to the games they come from, that is fine with me. 210.213.175.214 06:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed, unless you have stared at the screen for ten hours not stop, you'll be totally lost. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Symbols of Each Character