Talk:List of Australian Government entities

message: I have created this list, but I am having trouble deciding how deep to list sub-departmental entities. All the information is available from the Government directory .
I am also considering changing the name of this article to List of Australian Commonwealth Government entities. Martyman 08:52, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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message: I am going to rewrite this list, starting from a top level of Ministerial Portfolios. Martyman 03:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is great. However, I'm wondering whether this articles' function might better be served by an over-arching category with sub-categories and separate articles?--Cyberjunkie | Talk 13:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: True, that would be a much more elegant way of doing this. Unfortunatly it wouldn't properly replace this unless someone actually created a stub for all of the red links on this page, and that isn't very practical as many of these probably don't really deserve their own article. --Martyman-(talk) 21:01, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: What's the Industrial Relations one?Chorocobo 08:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: This page is still basically about the situation under Howard. Isn't it time to bring this up to date? m.e. (talk) 04:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: There have probably been thousands of different government entities since 1901.  This list is supposedly only about currently existing entities.  Either the title should be changed, or it should list all of them.  --  JackofOz (talk) 12:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: I haven't looked at this list in a few years, and when it popped up in my watchlist today I noticed that it'd really devolved into a bit of a mess in a couple of areas.
Firstly, the whole "Department summary" section seems entirely misplaced and blows out the length of an already long article. This is not the place for changes in departmental structure over time, because the result is far, far too long for an already-long article, even with the WP:RECENTISM situation of only going back to 2013. That's content we already cover in the individual department articles and often in the individual ministry articles if they're done properly, and the lists in this article could be straight-up ported to those articles pretty easily if it's not already there.
Secondly, this list was always a list of government departments and agencies. In most areas, it still is, but there's some areas (Education, Employment, PMC, etc) where it's been reduced to a random list of policy areas in that portfolio that's fundamentally useless for our purposes. We've got no interest in precisely how a department organises its internal bureaucracy, but we do in making sure readers can find our content on government departments and agencies. Whoever removed all the redlinks also did it no favours, because the actual agencies were overwhelmingly notable and a bunch have since gotten articles but aren't linked, and now it doesn't highlight the agencies that still need them. It really needs a rework to be pulled back to what it was meant to be (which was genuinely useful). Pinging  as a recent involved editor. The Drover's Wife (talk) 04:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that everything after Department Summary section is a complete mess and I have no idea how to fix that so I have no comments about those. As for the Department summary section which I mainly edit on, I think it is a good summary (and should be expanded to include pre-2013 changes) but I do not mind if this section as a whole should be placed somewhere else more appropriate. Marcnut1996 (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not disputing that it's a good summary, it's just that if it covered all ministries it'd be half a mile long in this tangentially related article that was also very long. It'd be better to copy it over into the individual ministry articles (I'd expect that the specific content already would be in the individual departmental articles). I think the actual list is relatively easy to fix - just go back to the original source (which was the Administrative Arrangements Order) and just update it, cutting out all the random dreck along the way. I'm happy to do it if there's agreement on that (just because it would take a while to fix, so I don't want to do it if it's at all controversial). The Drover's Wife (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started a draft of a potential rewrite removing all of the outdated information from the Departmental Summary section and updating each section after. I've limited sub-entries for departments to those which have their own Wikipedia pages.  ~~~ Skymann102 (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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message: Hi, just wanted to pass on two resources that would probably help a great deal in re-doing this page: 
* https://www.pmc.gov.au/sites/default/files/publications/administrative-arrangements-order-23-June-2022.pdf
* https://www.directory.gov.au/portfolios
They are themselves being progressively updated since the election but most of the info needed to clean up the page will be accessible via those links. Proutk (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Resources