Talk:Nirvana (band)/Archive 1

message: There was some confusion at the With the Lights Out article when a new user, trying to understand how Wikipedia worked, posted a phony tracklist as a test.  There's also apparently been some outright vandalism (see Talk:With the Lights Out).  It would be a good idea if some of you could watchlist the article.  I know zilch about Nirvana so I'm afraid I can't help. JamesMLane 06:43, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Nirvana fans, please note

message: Its strange, in the US a song can be called a hit if it just gets played on the radio. In the UK a song won't even be played on the radio if it isn't released as a single. Maybe we should include the KROQ hits in the hit lists here. They were playing VCV in 1993!. Do you know of any other radio chart lists for radio in the US that includes Nirvana ?  -- 195.137.109.177
:Hmmmm.  I dunno - I wouldn't.  The KROQ lists aren't officially published; they just run a countdown on their station at the end of the year.  People couldn't hear KROQ nationally, but a lot of stations would mimic their playlists.  I lived in Atlanta back then, and 99x played "Sappy" and "Dumb" in heavy rotation that summer.
:But that was just the way Alternative radio was in the 90s.  They'd pretty much play anything they felt like, single or not.  The major labels eventually started complaining, because it was impossible for them to build a marketing strategy for their singles.  Now it's a far more rare occurrence (though it does still happen on occasion).
:The key with the Alternative format in the 90s was that most singles weren't released as physical singles that you could buy in a store.  Many very popular songs never charted on Billboard because of it.  Another example at the time was Pearl Jam's "Yellow Ledbetter", which was #12 on that same KROQ chart.  At the time, it hadn't even been released in the US.  Stores began importing mass quantities of the European "Jeremy" single just so they could meet demand for the song.  (The list on the Vs. page is misleading - the version of "YL" on the European "Daughter" single is a live version, not the popular studio version.)
:In fairness, "Dumb" was not as big a hit as the real singles like "Heart Shaped Box", mainly because Top 40 stations tended to stick to official singles only.  But it was an Alternative radio hit and did get airplay.  (That's why it's on Nirvana, and why a number of people were confused when "Sappy" wasn't included.)  -- ChrisB 15:10, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: reply

message: an just out of Interest I see that they list it as Verse Chourus Verse, were they actually playing Verse Chourus Verse or were they playing the song officially know as Sappy ?. I had heard both years ago but know the "With the Lights Out" Box set has been released they have their own official names.  -- 195.137.109.177
:It was "Sappy".  "Sappy" was released as "Verse Chorus Verse" on the No Alternative compilation.  When the original "VCV" went unreleased, Kurt re-used the title.  (Check the page in the back of the booklet of With the Lights Out where they list the contents of Disc Three - it says "14. Sappy (retitled "Verse Chorus Verse" for release)".) -- ChrisB 15:01, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Continued

message: NEWS: A rareities album entitled 'Sliver - The Best of The Box' is to be released on 1st Novemebr 2005. Sliver (song) being a fan favorite and single before the band became superstars. It will consist of 19 of the best tracks from the 2004 Box Set 'With The Lights Out'. It will also include 3 previously unreleased tracks. A poll on the Internet Nirvana Fan Club on peoples favorite songs from the Box set helped determine what tracks will be used for the album.
:This seems to be verifiable information, see here:  —thames 19:40, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, but should it really be added to the discography pre-release? M A Mason 17:06, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW NIRVANA ALBUM

message: The article should elaborate on why the name was chosen, and whether it was meant to convey similar meanings to the Buddhist word. Shawnc 17:26, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The name ''Nirvana'' 

message: On the main Nirvana page their seems to be way to much info. 
Sections for Nevermind and In Utero and so on, then another page for both again. 
I think maybe it should be narrowed down to a core: an Introductio section, The discography, with a short history afterwards. 
The discography section contains links to all the important information which people want and need to know... Just a thought anyway.
:Um, this article is a Featured Article on Wiki.  It means that the bulk of the Wiki community looked it over and deemed that it was of the highest standards as far as Wiki articles go.  There is absolutely no reason on this planet to make it shorter.
:And, for the millionth friggin' time, would you please A) sign your posts and B) explain your changes in the Edit Summary box on any article that you edit?  Removing Sub Pop 200 was the right thing to do (as it's a various artists compilation that includes a Nirvana track, not a Nirvana compilation), but just doing the edit without explaining it makes people think you're vandalizing the page. -- ChrisB 04:49, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Main Page

message: Alright it's fact that all the bands in the year 2001+ are just pure S***, MTV NEWS even stated that we need more bands like Audioslave. Which is a supergroup of Soundgarden and Rage Against The Machine. But yeah, we really need more talent in today's music. Like we need a new Nirvana or something, you know? Like remember in the late 80's when everybody was tired of metal? And then out of nowhere Nirvana came out..Yeah, we need something like that..maybe not happen for another 5 years or so...(It's 2005 now)
:I'll drink to that. M A Mason 00:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need more bands like these gods 

message: Yeah it is known that there were two versions of Do Re Min recorded but only one has been released on With the Lights Out box and Sliver the Best of the Box. Its the same with the song "Old Age" there is another recorded version different to the one on With the Lights Out box and Sliver the Best of the Box which hasn't been released yet, maybe they will be on a Kurt cobain solo album or something. 
The unreleased version of "Old Age" has been partialy leaked over the Internet but cuts out shortly into the first chourus, it sounds like Kurt just on his own unlike the released full band version.
The released version of Do Re Mi also has Pat Smear on Guitar as well, maybe the unreleased version is just Kurt on his own. There is also thought to be other unreleased recordings of Kurt on his own, with Pat Smear, with his wife Courtney Love and with other members from the band Hole. I know alot of people at the NFC would like to see a Kurt Cobain solo album if there is the material for one.
:The only KNOWN for a fact recording of Do Re Mi was the one released on WTLO. It is assumed that there may be at least two more recordings of it....both of these taking place in March 1994. One recording was with Eric Erlandson of Hole, Pat and Kurt (http://www.livenirvana.com/sessions/home/march-1994.php). No one else from Hole was in this session. AFAIK Eric has refused to say whether this session was actually recorded or not. The only Do Re Mi recording that Courtney was in was in the version that was released on WTLO and she is not singing, she is just saying something in the background at the end of the song. The other possible session (if even recorded) was at the very end of March following the drug intervention at the Cobain's house (http://www.livenirvana.com/sessions/home/march25-1994.php). This version is just Kurt and Pat. Kurt just got a new guitar and was using this on this demo. 
:The Old Age version you are talking about that was leaked is probably this: http://www.livenirvana.com/sessions/home/fall-1992.php. It was leaked and if I remember correctly Old Age was fully leaked in Dec of 2004. Flyerhell 23:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I remeber it being partialy leaked around 2001/02. There has actually been a sort of third version which sounds just like Kurt practicing a few songs and he strums a bit of Old Age.
It looks like there may be some more live stuff released on DVD. Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! has only been released on VHS and a possable DVD release has been mentioned. 
Also the CD album Unplugged In New York, although the performance gets lots of TV play it has never been released on video, and a possable DVD release has been mentioned. 
Also the Reading 92 performance was mentioned but there is an argument over who owns the right to the footage. If you can find the leaked 'pro shot' footage it really kicks ass.
What I would like to see is a 'Live! Tonight! Sold Out!! part 2 or volume II. The existing 
L!T!SO!! video has footage from 1991,1992 and January 1993 up to the end of the Nevermind tour only. It actually says at the beginning of the video, that due to the circumstances the video was never completed. There is no footage from the 1993/94 In Utero tour so a volume IIof Live Tonight Sold Out from that era would be great. I have seen many bootlgs from this arena tour and although Kurt may not have been so happy they never sounded so fluent and proffesional. The crowds were great to, singing along to every Nirvana song especailly Rape Me !
So thats what I would like to see 'Live Tonight! Sold Out!! volume II'.
195.137.109.177 22:42, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Do Re Mi....continued

message: I don't think 'Sliver' should be listed as a single here on the Incesticide page:
*It was released as a non-album single in 1990. 
*The Nevermind album and its four singles were then released in 1991-1992. 
*The Incesticide was then released late 1992. So Sliver wasn't actually a single from that *album, although they did make a video for Sliver to promote the Incesticide album. 
*The fact that it made the charts in Ireland is just by chance, it made the charts after 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' but before 'Come As You Are'. Strange a single making the charts over 2 years after release they must have had a surplus of them in Ireland but that info was provided by the official Irish Charts company. -- 195.137.109.177
:I think your argument works better in support of removing just the Irish listing.  The 1993 Modern Rock Tracks chart position is entirely because of Incesticide. -- ChrisB 04:52, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Incesticide/Sliver

message: Just read that Big John Duncan (ex Goodbye Mr. Mackenzie and The Exploited) featured as a guitarist - does this need including somewhere?
:He was a roadie for the band.  He joined them on second guitar for four songs at one show in 1993.  He was never an official member of the band.  In my opinion, his involvement was not notable enough to warrant including here. -- ChrisB 01:17, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other members

message: Okay, I found this Nirvana (I think, it sounds like one of Cobain's voices) live track. It sounds like it was played at a small sports bar (the words "base hit" can be heard in the beginning). Also, the intro is, "This one is for all the Italians out there, especially my family." I can't decipher most of the lyrics, but I can hear "Yeah yeah yeah," "gotta step into my life," and something like "I can't leave it tonight." If any of you have information, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. Worldmaster0 21:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At face value, I would gamble that it's not Nirvana.  None of the band members are of Italian descent.  If I could hear it I might be able to help you, but this description isn't quite enough. -- ChrisB 01:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, too bad. It's a great song, I just can't find it again (it was incorrectly labeled "Endless Nameless" so I assumed it was Nirvana). Thanks anyway. Kinda like "Legend of Zelda" sounding like System of a Down but really being The Rabbit Joint (who by the way needs an article at some point), I guess. Worldmaster0 21:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A live track 

message: I heard a rumor that after Cobain's suicide one of the other band members found Christ, and eventually entered an Orthodox monastery.  I've tried researching this, but have not found anything.  Does this statement have any truth, or where did this rumor come from?? -- 216.125.119.49
:That sounds highly unlikely, as we already know what happened to the surviving members (none of which did what you are suggesting). -- LGagnon 00:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The cover art of The Priest They Called Him (which was a collaboration between Cobain and William S. Burroughs) features Novoselic in monk garb.  That's as close as you're going to get - the story just isn't true. -- ChrisB 04:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I may have found the missing monk. On a whim, I checked out recent info on Jason Everman, and for some reason he has an extensive bio on imdb.com. It includes "Studied Mahayana Buddhism at Tupten Choling monastery in the Khumbu Himalaya in Nepal for several months." Presumably the monks kicked him out at that time. (I know I shouldn't still find Jason Everman jokes funny 15 years later, but there you have it.) -Bert 171.159.64.10 00:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nirvana band member a monk? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment