Talk:Asian fetish/Archive 1

message: Do the points brought up here have any merit?--Daveswagon 20:58, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fetish vs. philia 

message: I was looking over the section on "Effects on Media" and found it ridiculously POV; I'm surprised there wasn't a tag on the article.  My edits last night, which took me a while to complete, were reverted by an anon earlier today.  I'd like some registered users here to comment on my edits to that section so that we can make it better.  See WP:NPOV for what our goal should be in this and any other article.  --Idont Havaname 20:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still some POV problems. 

message: There are several things I think I should say about this article and how we should handle editing it.  
# It is not, in any way, shape, or form, being written from a neutral point of view.  This is obvious from the presence of weasel words such as "often" and "many" (without references), and by the presence of statements such as, "white men who date Asian women are also sometimes stereotyped as being sexually/emotionally inadequate", "The Asian fetish is essentially rooted in white supremacist imperialism", "the three cases given above cannot provide a full picture of the depth of harm which an Asian fetish can do to both Asian-American identity and to interracial relationships", "This pairing has become so ubiquitous that it even appears in children's books" (and that's shocking?), and the whole last paragraph of "Effects on Media".  In so doing, it's trying to paint all Asian/white relationships as invalid and wrong, all of the women as having "sold out", and all of the guys as Michael Lohman types.  I could go write an article in which I whine in a "Quit Stealing All Our Women Point of View" about how some of my white female friends are dating only black guys, but that wouldn't be NPOV either.
# It doesn't have enough discussion of white women who like Asian men.  
# It doesn't consider the fact that some white guys who like Asian women like other women too, and that there are reasons for liking Asian women other than, "Oh, I like her because she's Asian."  Some people don't consider race a factor at all in relationships and think nothing of it in their dating practices.  (It is also worth pointing out that, at least in the US, "white" and "black" people can only trace parts (if any) of their ancestry to particular nationalities, so in a sense, nearly any relationship they are in is to some extent interracial.  Maybe that's why they've stopped making a big deal about which race of women they date!)
# Most importantly, you do not have to be Asian, or white, or black, or any other race, to edit this article!  There is no rule in Wikipedia policy saying that there are race/ethnicity/nationality requirements for editing certain types of articles.  If you don't like that, go start your own encyclopedia.
--Idont Havaname 23:33, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * Sorry, I'd never seen the video; I'd just heard the song on the radio a few years ago.  Unless you've seen the video that line can be somewhat ambiguous. --Idont Havaname 00:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * No, I'm not.  Just because I don't say that I'm not upset doesn't mean I am upset.  I'm not upset with black/Asian couples any more than any other interracial couples; I don't have double standards.  Now let's please all get the discussion back toward improving this article. --Idont Havaname 00:10, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Alright, alright. No need to get snippy.LOL. I'm just glad you got over your jealousy. And, yes, I agree with you; let's get back to improving the article. :)
-67.169.114.208 12:11, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some points worth bringing up regarding POV/NPOV