Talk:Root race

message: African "Negroes"?  Is that term still used in the 21st century?  I thought that all blacks stopped being called negroes and coloreds in the 20th century?|mpa|
:It's a term used in The Secret Doctrine, which was written in the 19th century. The passage is a quotation. Anyway, since negro is just Spanish for "black" it's difficult to see why the English word is fine, but the Spanish one with identical meaning isn't. Paul B 21:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Using the term "Negroes"

message: The plate boundaries are supposed to be the dashed lines, right?  There's one going straight through South America in a NE--SW direction.  That's the middle of a Continental shield; there is no geological fault in that direction.  Rather, there should be a line coasting the Western edge of South America (along the Andes).
Also, the icosahedron does not have pentagonal faces, like the central region surrounding Africa.  That's the dodecahedron.  However, the other faces are triangular, like an icosahedron.  The inescapable conclusion is that the lines, even if they did match with actual plate boundaries, don't describe any kind of regular polihedron.  Can anyone conversant in this material enlighten me on this?  --Wtrmute 20:21, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with the image showing the plate boundaries 

message: I have removed the statement "In his writings, Rudolf Steiner often uses the term Cultural Epoch instead of Root Race to describe similar spans of time" from the article.
In the development of anthroposophy, separate from theosophy, Steiner replaced the theosophical concept "root race" not with "cultural epoch" but with the geocentric term "Earth epochs". It refers to the stages in the development of our present solar system from beginning to end. In anthroposophy, "cultural epoch" refers to the periods after the glacial ages, that in theosophy are (mis)described in racial terms as "subraces of the Aryan Root Race". See also here. Thebee (talk) 13:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So why did you remove the sentence instead of changing it? You've just said that it refers to "to the periods after the glacial ages, that in theosophy are (mis)described in racial terms as "subraces of the Aryan Root Race"". Leaving aside the question of whether one or other version of these supposed phases is a "misdescription", you seem to be saying that Steiner replaced the term Root Races with Earth Epochs and that Cultural Epochs refers to Blavatsky's concept of sub-races of the Aryans, which seems to be what the sentence you deleted was trying to get at, albeit less precisely. Paul B (talk) 14:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I see that the identical sentence appears lower down in the article. I've rewitten that one and left the lede one out. Paul B (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Root races" in theosophy - "Earth epochs" in anthroposophy 

message: Most of this article is sourced to The Solar System, by Arthur E. Powell, a Theosophist, with most of the remainder sourced to Blavatsky and other Theosophist sources. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 09:35, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of third-party sourcing 

message: Theres no third party reliable sources for the Root race idea outside of Theosophist sources. I suggest that this article should be merged into the Blavatsky article, where the concept of root races is already discussed. GreenUniverse (talk) 03:31, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It is a doctrine of the religious/spiritual belief system of theosophy, which is historically significant in the religious history of the world. I am sure one can find non-Theosophist or anti-Theosophist sources which mention this concept. We have articles on the individual doctrines of various religious, spiritual, political systems; of course, one will not find sources outside those systems asserting the truth of their doctrines, but you will find outside sources which discuss them neutrally or criticise them. SJK (talk) 09:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge article

message: Why this is strictly heresy. Why use the term Aryan for the fifth root race? That is insulting. I am a Jew. Aren't the Theosophists aware of the Nazi connotations involved?  Anonymous173.74.57.205 (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That term has very different connotations within Theosophy.  Unfortunately certain groups have appropriated these terms and ideas (such as how certain eastern and Nordic symbols have been appropriated by the same groups).  "Aryan" in the Theosophical sense means essentially "Homosapien".  These Theosophical ideas pre-date Nazism by almost 70 years.  Valgrus Thunderaxe (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

text: The term heresy only makes sense in the context of a particular religious movement - heresy for whom? I think this idea is a reflection of the prevalent racism of the period in which it originated - prior to Nazism. And Theosophy and Nazism do have their points of interconnection. SJK (talk) 09:29, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heresy 

message: I removed the  tag from this article since it is not appropriate on an article about people's religious, philosophical or political beliefs. You are entirely entitled to believe their beliefs are fictional, but  should be reserved for conscious works of fiction, not for real beliefs of others, however wrong those beliefs are. I take it the point was that this article should be more critical of the concept of "root race", which is a fair criticism - one can easily criticize it as lacking in factual scientific or historical basis, as being an expression of racist attitudes, etc. But this tag is not the right tag to use for that. SJK (talk) 09:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: – in this edit you put this tag back despite it not being appropriate. I have removed it again per reasoning above. SJK (talk) 11:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  – Those reasons don't apply here. The point isn't that it's religious/philosophical/political, or that anyone even purportedly disagrees with it. The point of  here is that the article's text and explanation presumes the particular religious/philosophical/political theory to be true. It would be like writing the Ragnarök article as a confirmed prediction of the future, rather than as a component of the Norse religion. This article currently has this bias, and it must be communicated to the user.  marks this, albeit in an imperfect way since it's normally used for conscious works of fiction. But rather than just reverting it over and over, you should instead seek to replace it with a more appropriate template if you feel it isn't.—wing gundam 19:18, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of <nowiki>{{in-universe}}</nowiki> tag 

message: Hello,
I believe we should work on compiling a section of this article which explains Adolf Hitler's Thule Society being Theosophical, outright completely... and also we should cite and expound upon the ways in which this ideology, particularly the fifth 'current' 'root race' influenced Adolf Hitler as a person and his National Socialist "Nazi" party which came out of the Thule Society.
Christopher N. Crepon73.253.154.161 (talk) 16:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Root Race Theory's Connections with Nazism and Hitler's Ideologies