Talk:Racism in Japan

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message: I can't deny that ethnic issues are indeed a problem with Japan, but I seems that compared with previous versions of this page over the years that this article paints a one dimensional view of the matter without properly explaining through statistics on the extent of the problem.  I do think that times have been worse as even Debito made an article that things have been getting better.  However the way this page is edited seems to come off that the ethnic issue has gotten worse.  For example while there are alot of businesses that to have signs showing refusal of service to foreigners there's no statics on the extent of this and the only citation is a list of signs off Debitos website which isn't a complete list.  I can't deny that racism is a problem, but this article could use a rewrite in the discrimination section.  Like South Korea which also has ethnic issues towards foreigners, the treatment in these two countries has become more open.    
https://shingetsunewsagency.com/2024/01/23/visible-minorities-positive-steps-for-non-japanese/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undeadmerc3 (talk • contribs) 00:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: More statistics are needed on discrimination to back this up

message: for some reason in japan, schools and other organizations have a rather, to put it bluntly idiotic amount of racism
this includes actual gangbeating. intimidation, and most importantly they tend to follow you all over the place, just waiting, it's real paranoia fuel and i would like this to be put in (Undeadplatypus (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: yes there seems to be a systemic indoctrination of the younger generation in racist ideologies. I think this is important information which needs to be included in the article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.10.111.130 (talk) 01:24, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xenophobia in younger demographics 

message: The first opening paragraphs sound like they exaggerate the racial issues in Japan by using the term "often."  I know that there are some serious issues in Japan, but by saying "often" it sound like it's claiming that most Japanese people are like this.  For this reason I would like to discuss the right to remove it in time or at least replace it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 20:49, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It'd be much more helpful if you proposed here something you thought was better. CüRlyTüRkeyTalkContribs 23:24, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: requesting change to the few opening paragraphs

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: According to WP:COMMONAME, shouldn't this article be titled Racism in Japan instead of Ethnic issues in Japan? Google Books finds 2,010 ghits for "racism in Japan" and 94 for "ethnic issues in Japan". Wikipedia contains dozens of "racism in" titles like Racism in Argentina, Racism in Asia (including Japan and 17 other countries), Racism in Australia, etc.—but only two other "ethnic issues in" of Ethnic issues in China (originally Racism in the People's Republic of China) and Ethnic issues in the Philippines. Keahapana (talk) 02:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Human = Race, Mongoloid = Cline, Chinese/Korean/Japanese = Ethnicity. If bigots are making their decisions based on nationality/ethnicity, it would NOT be accurate to call it racism. 204.12.94.172 (talk) 20:14, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disingenuous title 

message: As a foreign resident of Japan, I feel that there needs to be a new section entitled "post-war xenophobia in Japan". If we are deeply honest with ourselves, Japan is simply not a modern nation when it comes to how foreigners are treated. No laws against racial discrimination exist. There are public protests against Koreans and Chinese, the schools teach select views of history and there are many places foreigners simply aren't allowed to go.
What would we call this in America or Europe? The answer isn't flattering in my opinion. I'm sort of wondering why any edits regarding the racism and xenophobia in modern Japan are almost instantly deleted?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.114.238.214 (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If I were you, I'd find something to cite. If someone reverts something that's cited and well-sourced, they can be reported as per WP:NPOV. I'll look for a few sources. ミーラー強斗武 (talk) 20:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-war xenophobia in Japan 

message: First paragraph, "Culture in Japan has a long belief of xenophobia and jingoism towards foreign cultures."
What is a "long belief"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.249.237 (talk) 06:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably should be: "a long history of belief". Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 01:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Long belief" 

message: Culture in Japan has a long belief of xenophobia and jingoism towards foreign cultures.[citation needed]
Not only is this highly offensive and racist (as it lumps every Japanese individual into the same group), it is also not something that can be put in an encyclopedia as it is merely someone's opinion, not factual, and not cited. Therefore, I have removed it.
ChemicalG (talk) 06:02, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This part is in itself jingoistic... 

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message: The title is a whitewash for what actually is racism and ethnic discrimination. I think it should be reworded to Racism in Japan to go along the lines of other articles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xanikk999 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title is not NPOV 

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message: im afraid that this article is in urgent need of attention from an expert, really. it has multiple issues which cannot be dealt easily. Фквжьись (talk) 23:05, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: issues such as..? ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 23:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Yes, please be more specific or they cannot be "dealt easily", as you say. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
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message: in the links section, the comment to the Wiki article on Miyamoto currently says 'controversial Miss Universe' - exactly why is she deemed to be controversial? I went over to the linked article and still don't really get it...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.228.82.187 (talk) 22:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: What's the point of having a section for Ainu people without mentioning any ethnic issues? --Kaledomo (talk) 14:45, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I expanded the Ainu section to include their general history, but it still needs major additions. I did highlight the suppression of their culture and their recent recognition in 2008 by the Japanese government. — Coastaline (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ainu people 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 14:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethnic issues in Japan →  – This is one of only three Wikipedia articles in existence that uses the form "ethnic issues in Foo" instead of common "racism in Foo". We don't even have a redirect for ethnic issues, nor a :Category:Ethnic issues (although there is the unique :Category:Ethnic issues in Japan - the only ethnic issues category on Wikipedia...). This is just an outlier in the :Category:Racism by country. "Ethnic issues" is just a weaseling synonym for racism ("this country doesn't have racism problems, unlike rest of the world, we just have, errrr, some ethnic issues. Move on, nothing serious to see here."). See the wider context at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Discrimination#"Ethnic_issues_in"_vs_"Racism_in"_problem. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

text: The article may need rewriting, and some content may not be relevant here. But the main topic should racism. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 March 2021 

message: Why does the lead look like it was written for a completely different article? The lead does not encapsulate what the article says, and indeed does not mention racism in Japan today at all, although the article does so in detail. The lead should be rewritten in accordance with MOS:LEAD. (I am not very confident about doing it myself, because I am not very knowledgeable about this and editing this article needs more sensitivity than cursorily glancing at sources. However it is very obvious that the lead does not mention even a third of the things it should.) W. Tell DCCXLVI t | c 12:13, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, WP:BEBOLD  and try your hand at it. You are right it's hard to make it worse... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's up with the lead? 

message: On the section of "Access to housing and other services", some editor use soranews24 and a twitter post(which I already removed) to cite the incidet about Japanese establishments refuse to serve foreigners. I tend to believe it's actually happen and true. However, maybe I am being uninformed, I dont think soranews24 is really a reliable news source as I barely find anyway about them and there website give me a vibe of old blog site in the 2000s....Therefore I request for better citation  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Someone97816 (talk • contribs) 04:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for better citation 

message: Please take a look at Japanese privilege to see whether it can be improved at all, or whether it should be merged into this article. Binksternet (talk) 00:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Binksternet I'd recommend a WP:AFD to get more comments. The term is used in a few works but it not very common, and my quick BEFORE is not giving a good case for why this should be a stand-alone article, plus WP:TNT comes to fore, since the article uses this term just in the lead (uncited defininition) and then meanders about various racism- and discrimination- related issues; heck, most of the article is about 'outside Japan' topics; the section on South Africa is totally irrelevant, and then most of the article is about... Korea? Korean privilige? This is indeed very bad. Please AFD this and ping me if you'd be so kind so I can copy my rationale over there. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like you understand. You can add your thoughts here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Japanese privilege. Thanks in advance, . Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article needs expert eyes: [[Japanese privilege]]