Talk:Zhu De

message: The list for Ten Marshals for People's Republic of China contains only 9 names; Liu Bocheng was missing from the list. Is there anyway that the list is curved blackets be edited?
I've added some additional information to this article and deleted some things like ".  After he returned to China, Zhu served in a training regiment of Sun Yat-sen's Kuomintang army and Chief of Public Security in Nanchang. Following two arrests for revolutionary activities in China, he was exiled. " which are completley incorrect. Not Worth Waiting For 07:24, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: It's been said that Zhou Enlai recruited him in Berlin and turned him from warlordship to communism.
Takima 23:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Edgar Snow (Red Star Over China, p. 465) says he joined the CCP in Berlin "through the influence of" Zhou Enlai.DOR (HK) (talk) 07:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Snow points out that Smedley's work on Zhu's early life was from secondary sources, whereas his own was from personal interviews. DOR (HK) (talk) 07:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhou Enlai's recruit 

message: I've added a few bits about the 1920s. DOR (HK) (talk) 04:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Years 

message: I don't know what dates this guy really was Head of State of the People's Republic of China and 2nd Chairman of the NPCSC, but if he died in 1976 it certainly wasn't in May of 1981. :)  Can someone who knows the real answer please fix that? Pyran (talk) 15:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out; I've corrected it and removed the erronous reference to Marshall Zhu as PRC President. DOR (HK) (talk) 03:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check Dates 

message: Could somebody confirm or infirm the following story I heard from a Chinese historian: Zhu quit opium not in a Shanghai hospital (as written in almost all Wikipedia sites - except the chinese one who doesn't say a word about it) but on a boat, completely isolated in the middle of a remote lake.
The story seems a little bit hagiographic, yet Zhu is also well know to be a strong personnality...
Any comment would be welcome
Thanks 
Thomas  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.158.226.33 (talk) 03:22, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can reference any sources that contradict the references that you keep removing then please do so. Keep in mind that there is no place for original research on Wikipedia. See: Wikipedia:No original research. Rafał Pocztarski 19:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Lynch's Mao mentions that Zhu De had an addiction to opium (p.66). Zhu admitted as much to Agnes Smedley (in The Great Road: The Life and Times of Chu Teh), hardly an anti-Communist source. That Zhu was an opium addict in the 1920s does not appear to be in dispute among serious historians. --Yaush (talk) 19:49, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhu and Opium 

message: Large parts of this are so badly written that the meaning is impossible to discern.221.213.126.88 (talk) 14:05, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreadable Garbage 

message: There is nothing in the Talk pages that warrants this label. Would someone please remove it? Thanks. DOR (HK) (talk) 06:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What "neutrality dispute"? 

message: Removed POV label pending supporting discussion.  However, this article does have severe problems, with many factual errors, references that are irrelevant to the places referenced, disconnected paragraphs, and confused or contradictory claims.  Use at your own risk until a rewrite is available. Rgr09 (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed POV label 

message: If the post has revived, that is utterly different from being a successor.  Maybe a new section should be added to explain.  --GwydionM (talk) 08:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commander in Chief 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: My main objection is that he was a conventional warlord for many years and then quit this role to become a Communist.  The change obscures that.
Please rethink and be more accurate, if you want to make changes.--GwydionM (talk) 09:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Zhu was a warlord for 11 years, and a communist commander for 50. If you want to mention that some 20% of his adult life was spent as something other than a communist, perhaps you should think about justifying that decision. .DOR (HK) (talk) 22:35, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent changes - October 2020 

message: Someone thought they were the same.  Generals mostly command a battle, tactics.  Not all get an independent command, which needs some skill at strategy.
Tactics is about winning battles.  Strategy is about winning a war, sometimes without battles. GwydionM (talk) 07:24, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  General and strategist 

message: Is there some reason for the "Order Number One" sending officials out of Beijing and Zhu's status on the Politburo / Standing Committee? Having the two in the same paragraph implies there is a link, but none is mentioned. DOR (ex-HK) (talk) 22:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later life / recent edit 

message: Smedley's The Great Road (the cited source of the info that Zhu was not a Hakka) is a bit ambiguous on this subject: she never explicitly writes that Zhu wasn't a Hakka but instead refers to others as Hakka in a way that implies Zhu himself was not, e.g. "General Chu Teh’s chief of staff, General Yeh Chien-ying, was himself a Hakka, as were many of his troops and a number of his commanders" (p. 23). The biography of Zhu De (朱德传) compiled by the CPC Central Committee Party Literature Research Center (中共中央文献研究室) and published in 1993 (with a revised edition in 2006) states the following about Zhu's Hakka roots (pagination from the two-volume reprint of 2016):
朱德的祖上原是广东省韶关县的客家人。Zhu De's ancestors were originally Hakkas from Shaoguan County, Guangdong Province. (p. 1)
朱德回到家乡后，用祖上传下的客家话问堂兄弟：“你们为啥都这么黄皮寡瘦，说话都吊不起气？” After Zhu De returned to his hometown, he asked his cousins in the Hakka language handed down from their ancestors: "Why are you so sallow and thin? Why is it so exhausting to speak?" (p. 834)
These appear to be the only mentions of Zhu De's Hakka ancestry in the entire 890-page text, which suggests he didn't make much of it. That might account for Smedley's apparent unawareness.
I could just go ahead and add this info to the article, since I think a quasi-official biography compiled within the last few decades trumps an ambiguous passage in an unfinished biography from the 1950s. But I thought it best to bring it up here first in case anyone has more insight into this question. -206.77.150.85 (talk) 23:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhu De's Hakka roots (or lack thereof)