Talk:Ballade des dames du temps jadis

message: estan = pond, not lake, is that not so?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.123.239.160 (talk) 01:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Very true - I overlooked that there is a difference between a lake and a pond. Fixed.--Thomas Arelatensis (talk) 08:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  estan 

message: I removed the following unreferenced paragraph, which was the totality of the History section in the article:
World War II
During World War II, a regular feature of English radio was the broadcast of coded messages to operatives in the field. By far the most famous of such messages was the line "where are the snows of yesteryear?". This was broadcast shortly before the D-Day landing to inform the French Resistance that the invasion was imminent.
This section was originally added on 27 June 2013 by User:Frisbieinstein (contribs).
I spent some time searching in both English and French for evidence of this, and came up with nada. The French article says nothing about it. This doesn't mean it's necessarily false; it may well be a footnote in some book somewhere that never made it to the internet, but if that's the case, it needs to have a source, and a reference.  Until then, it's unsubstantiated, and should not be included. Mathglot (talk) 08:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Found the reference. The coded message broadcast by Radio Londres was a single line from a Poem by Verlaine, Chanson d'automne Mathglot (talk) 10:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Snows of yesteryear and coded D-Day warning 

message: The OED says under "ballad", "In early use difficult to distinguish from ballade n. 1a [which is the French fixed form] and perhaps in some cases comprehending this within a wider class."  "Early use" means that meaning is obsolete, and since the earliest citation is from 1458, it's probably obsolete by some centuries.  The only other non-musical sense in the OED is "A narrative poem in short stanzas, esp. one that tells a popular story."  This poem isn't a narrative.  On the other hand, "ballade" means exactly what this poem is.  So we should call it a ballad, not a ballade. —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 18:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ballad" and "ballade" 

message: I have not found any other transcriptions of the poem that include an accent aigu on "ne" in the third line. The accent (and the word's consequent translation as "born") do not make sense in this context: Archipiada and Thaïs are clearly different women, not the married and maiden names of the same woman. Throughout the Grand Testament, Villon uses the spelling "ne" where in modern French one would find "ni": e.g. "Combien qu’il n’ayme bruyt ne noyse", "D’etoille ne d’autre sydère". "Ni" would be translated as or/nor: a meaning that is much more fitting here.
See for example: pp. 62. Jacob PL. Œuvres complètes de François Villon. Jannet: Paris, 1854. Entry on Google Books — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mewahl (talk • contribs) 13:32, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The French article agrees with you that the non-accented ne is not "born", but in the transcription into modern French, renders it as et ("and").  For what it's worth, so do the German, Spanish, and Portuguese articles, but the Russian one deals with it by dropping Thaïs entirely. Mathglot (talk) 07:13, 28 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Following up, I've changed "né" to "ne" and the translation (wondering how Mr Alcibiades got in) to "Archipiada, or Thaïs". Wikiain (talk) 03:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "ne Thaïs" (vs. "né Thaïs") 

message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeG1CpuhVsQ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.212.116.112 (talk) 21:18, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Incorporated. Wikiain (talk) 02:45, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hear 

message: There is little agreement on how to translate the last two words. Here are some of the options in published books:
* Days Gone By
* Former Times
* Other years
* Bygone Times
* Time Gone By
* Olden Days
* Long Ago
* Olden Times
* Ancient Times
Mathglot (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rendering of ''Temps jadis'' 

message: I removed the Alcibiades link from the English translation.  Nothing in this or the Alcibiades article says anything to explain his presence; in fact, neither article has anything connected with the other.  Needless to say he was not a "dame".  Zaslav (talk) 04:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcibiades