Talk:America's Next Top Model/Archive 1

message: With Cycle 9 premiering in September, many users have been posting false information for it. These include contestant names, winners, number of contestants, and the international destination. They all insist they are truth yet provide no actual evidence to support it aside from "i swear its true." There is one anonymous user in particular who has been persistently posting the same list of names every time it is removed. It has happened in cycles past but this time around it is more severe and much more of a nuisance. To avoid this vandalism I feel that it is in the best interest of the article that it be placed under protection from non-members or newly-registered members.
--Special:Contributions/Dementor654 22:57, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs protection 

message: is America's next top model going to stop airing after the tenth cycle?
icevirgo99
It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest.
:Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Air time

message: I think it's time to remove linked names that don't have articles for the first four seasons.  Does anyone object?  I think it's highly unlikely that these articles will ever be written (which is fine since most are non-notable anyway).  Thoughts? --Quasipalm 18:58, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them.  I could be delusional, but hey.  Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name links

message: I have to question "records" such as "Amanda (Cycle 3 - Partially/Night Blind)"  and "Most "First Called Out For Safety"" and "First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show" and "First Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At" and "First Contestant Whose Close Relations Died While Filming" ... and what's up with "Unique Parentage"?
Overall, I think this new section just takes things too far.  Plus, I think too many records are geared toward race/ethnicity and firsts and not enough are about achievement.  Am I alone on this?  --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a bit amusing, though.  Except it has some errors in it, I'll fix a few.  I don't understand "First Called Out For Safety"? Alixandra 04:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh, and that "First European-Originated Contestant," wasn't that Brita, not Jayla?  I don't even remember Jayla mentioning being "European-originated."  I'm not 100% positive, so I won't touch it. Alixandra 04:32, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Top model records?

message: I think it is reasonable for the winners, runners-up, and especially notable contestants from each season of Top Model to have their own Wikipedia pages, as these contestants usually have some sort of modeling career following the show.  However, I don't think it is especially relevant for other contestants - especially those that have no other claim to fame - to have their own page.  Is anyone with me?  The specific contestants I am talking about are:
*Nicole Panattoni (the last I heard of her, she was modeling for adult Halloween costumes...)
*Giselle Samson (is not modeling anymore)
*Tiffany Richardson (is not modeling anymore)
*Rebecca Epley (models, but is not notable)
Also, I don't think it's reasonable for any contestants from Cycle 5 to get their own pages except for Nik (the runner-up) and Nicole (the winner), unless they do something very notable.
Fabricationary 02:42, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. <g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something creates a link to another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Do minor ANTM contestants deserve their own Wikipedia pages?

message: This article is reading a lot better than it was a few weeks ago.  Can it be removed from the list now?  The synopses for all five cycles have been revamped, and all of the clutter has been removed or reformatted.
Fabricationary 06:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean-up complete?

message: I've reformatted the "records" section and removed the following entries added by ZephyrWind:
*First White Winner: Adrianne Curry (Cycle 1)
*First White Runner-Up: Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1)
*First African American Winner: Eva Pigford (Cycle 3)
*First African American Runner-Up: Mercedes Yvette Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2)
*Furthest Advancing White-White Pair: Adrianne Curry & Shannon Niquette Stewart (Cycle 1) [Naima Mora & Kahlen Rondot Of Cycle 4 Is Not Considered As The Former Is Of Mixed Parentage]
*Furthest Advancing African American Pair: Eva Pigford & Yaya Camara Da Costa Johnson (Cycle 3)
*Furthest Advancing Asian Orient Contestant: April Wilkner, 4th Place (Cycle 2)
*First Handicapped/Disabled Contestant: Amanda Swafford, suffering from partially/night-blindness (Cycle 3)
*First Plus-size Model: Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
*Contestant Most Picked For Accompaniment In A Reward: Brittany Brower, 4 Times (Cycle 4)
*First Publicly Announced Lesbian: Ebony Haith (Cycle 1)
*First Publicly Announced Bisexual: Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)
*First [And Only] Contestant Who Tyra Banks Shouted At: Tiffany Richardson (Cycle 4)
*First Contestant To Pass Out During Judging: Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4)
*First Contestant To Contract Disease During The Show: Michelle Deighton, She Contracted Impetigo (Cycle 4)
*First Person Whose Close Relations Died During Filming: Kahlen Rondot, Her Best Friend From High School Passed Away (Cycle 4)
*First Contestants Who Refused Taking A Photo Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart & Robin Manning (Cycle 1)
*First Contestants To Arrive Late For A Shoot: Shannon Niquette Stewart, Robin Manning & Kesse Wallace (Cycle 1)
*Most Frequently Appeared First Names [Mind Spelling]: Nicole Panattoni (Cycle 1), Nicole Borud (Cycle 3) & Nicole Linkletter (Cycle 5)
The race stuff is problematic because I don't think most contestants actually "self-identified" their race during the show. If anything, we might just mention a few of the most relevant "racial" facts (the "white-white pair" entry is going way too far) in a paragraph of the main article. Much of the other stuff might be better listed in a "trivia" section, if at all. I also removed the winners and runners-up because you can glean that information from the contestant list in each cycle. - dcljr (talk) 12:57, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Records section is baaack 

message: Rumors are by definition non-encyclopedic. Removed the following from the article. - dcljr (talk) 23:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the information is now confirmed.  The show's official site, http://www.upn.com/shows/top_model6/ , has the names and photos of these models posted.  Fabricationary 05:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed rumors 

message: I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of surnames 

message: I was just wondering why somebody removed the surnames of three of the contestants? If you do some Googling, you will see that the surnames of Sara, Furonda, and Leslie are indeed correct. Peanutbuttercups 01:43, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind. Thanks, Fabricationary! Peanutbuttercups 09:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contestants' Last Names

message: Season descriptions should probably have spoiler warnings before any important information like the final contestants, who won, what the winner did later, etc. Season descriptions could be split in two, with non-spoiler info. (who the contestants are, air dates, etc.) in the first half. - Matthew238 07:41, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler Warnings

message: Countless anonymous users have kept editing the page and listing the two eliminated contestants on top under the heading "Contestants in order of elimination" while leaving the vast majority of contestants (who have not been eliminated) on the same list as if they have also been eliminated in that specific order.  It is misleading and invites vandals/speculators to change the order of the existing girls to make their own assumptions as to who will be eliminated next/who will win.  (Case in point:  countless changes to the list shifting the names of Jayla, Nicole, Nik, and Bre last season leading up to the finale)
Therefore, for now, it is logical to list contestants by first name alphabetical order with a note by the names of the already-eliminated girls.  Until about half of the girls have been eliminated, this is the most concise and clear way of noting this; after that, two separate lists can be made - "Contestants in order of elimination" and "Contestants still in the running to be America's Next Top Model" or some variation of those two.
I'll keep reverting the page back to this version until enough contestants have been cut to merit a separate list of eliminated contestants.
Fabricationary 04:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing by elimination order two weeks into the season = bad idea

message: About this time last cycle, dozens of anonymous users started editing the contestant list insterting their own winners/eliminees into the bunch.  Not only was this irritating vandalism, but it misled people that came to this page looking for ANTM info, and it also hurt this article's credibility.  I propose that if this vandalism starts again, we protect both this page and cycle 6's page to avoid this problem and the effort we'd have to make in reverting all of the speculative edits.  Who's with me?  Fabricationary 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! I'm with you. Peanutbuttercups 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protecting this & cycle 6's page

message: Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages.  Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect talk from individual cycles to here? 

message: I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots.  What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages?  (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are.  Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format of each cycle's page?

message: It might be good to add a section explaining the show's format (challenge, photoshoot etc.), as is done with other reality shows (Biggest Loser, Survivor) - Matthew238 07:52, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Show format

message: Recently some anonymous and new registered users have been adding points to the trivia section that have compromised its value.  Things like "First photoshoot to feature animals" is just silly (and can be found by looking at the individual cycle pages' synopses), and stuff like "Worst photo in the history of ANTM" is subjective, as not everyone will agree wholeheartedly, for example, that Lluvy's fish picture is worse than every other picture in the history of ANTM.  (I personally think the worst is Brittany's "porn star" dogwalking one.)  Please refrain from re-adding this deleted material - I will continue to do so.  Fabricationary 15:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, well, Lluvy's picture was called the worst in the history of ANTM by Tyra herself, on the show. But I'm not disagreeing with the main point you're making. - dcljr (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia section tumbling into complete subjectivity

message: What happened to her article?  It appears to be deleted... --n_revo 16:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  C1 Tessa 

message: We should make a section of which agencies they've signed with. Lil Flip246 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AGENICES 

message: We should write a section on how none of the winners or contestants become real top models. How they dont do anything but show up at appearances. Lil Flip246 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOP MODELS 

message: Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist?  Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page?  The talk page does that arleady...  SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model.  Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TWO pages?

message: Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership.  The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday.  However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed.  I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why?  The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section.  This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mention of strike removed

message: The Show statistics section is getting way too long again. At least 20% of it should probably be removed. I started to do that but gave up and just cleaned up the wikitext a bit instead. If someone agrees with me they should try to trim it down. - dcljr (talk) 19:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree - I think much of the article is trivia/fluff.  The judge's names can be stated in a paragraph - tables are not needed for each season.  Contestants' makeovers, while of interest to some, are not the sole focus of the show and generally don't impact where a contestant will end up placing.  The photoshoot information is covered in each season's article.  The "Success after the show" section, in my opinion, doesn't belong here but rather on each "successful" contestant's page.  Here it is too subjective with no criteria given as to what constitutes "sucessful" (i.e. lots of former contestants are signed, but not with notable agencies).  I would like to cut the article down significantly, but I'd like to discuss these changes first.  Are you with me, Dcljr?  Fabricationary 17:27, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with you both. Truth be told, I started getting a little dizzy just looking at the section. And I agree about the "Success" section. CarlosTheDwarf 16:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics or trivia? 

message: Mercedes Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2) lupus, Amanda Swafford (Cycle 3) retinitis pigmentosa, Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4) balance disorder, Noelle Staggers (Cycle 4) endometriosis.
What's about Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)?
Wasn't her skin's trouble a somekind of disease?
*Yeah, Michelle's skin problem was impetigo, which seems to belong in that category.  Funny, I don't recall any mention of Noelle having endometriosis on C4.  Unless it came out in an interview after the show, I think it might be someone's idea of a sarcastic joke given how much she talked about her baby.  Fabricationary 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestant(s) who dealt with a disease on the show 

message: Since it states that the article is too long, can't it be edited?  Specifically, can't each season's respective stats/info boxes stay on their respective pages, and just simply be linked to from here?  If it's just for summary purposes, it's still way too long, and it's cleaner that way....  SKS2K6 06:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Length

message: The article said the dispute was resolved then cited an article from early July, which clearly did not state the dispute had been disolved.  In fact, the strike continues whih is a serious problem for the production of the show. Syndicalista 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaccurate information on strike

message: I created a cycle summary which replaced listed info, and transferred info specific to each season to its dedicated page.
The column of "Other contestants (in order of elimination)" in the summary has been left deliberately without links. In order to avoid accidental recreation of deleted candidates, and to ensure that there are no double-redirects, it is suggested that these names are not made into namespaces Ohconfucius 03:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cycle summary

message: The statistics section overflows unnecessarily because age statistics are based on years only. I have determined the age of the oldest and youngest winner. However, there is no outright winner for the oldest and youngest contestant, but this is probably due to the lack of dob available on contestants. 18 is a very common age group for participants, so this long list for youngest contestants is pretty meaningless unless we can determine exact age, measured at the start of the relevant series. Ohconfucius 07:50, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Show statistics

message: I think it's hilarious that someone changed the location that the remaining contestants are going to Pluto, but I feel that it should say something more formal, like "To be announced."THE evil fluffyface 00:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Location

message: --24.80.232.128 11:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  jaeda's height is wrong 

message: Hello, juz thought of contributing these 4 lines in - I have been faithfully watching the series all the way from Cycle 1 to currently Cycle 7, my statements which i have added to the show stats regarding about best/worst photo and best/worst TV commercial in ANTM history, is indeed proven true... Recaps episodes can be verified at www.youtube.com. 
* Best Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Sara Albert (Cycle 6), for 'Swarovski Crystals - Bald Look' Photoshoot Week 1.
* Worst Photo, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 6), for 'Zodiac Signs Calendar' Photoshoot Week 3.
* Best TV Commericial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.
* Worst TV Commercial, by judges' opinions in Top Model history: CariDee English (Cycle 7), for 'Secret Deodorant' Shoot Week 9.
My Backings/References for adding these:
Best photo: Sara Albert (Cycle 6) was confirmed by Tyra herself claiming it is the best photo she has seen so far in history of Top Model.
Worst Photo: Lluvy Gomez (Cycle 4) was confirmed by the judges, Nigel and Nole, of being the worst photo in ANTM history.
 
Best TV Commercial: Melrose Bickerstaff (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by the 4 judges. They felt that Melrose has delivered the best TV commercial, even though it was a foreign language, cos they felt Melrose is a natural and can deliver her lines smoothly.
Worst TV Commercial: CariDee English (Cycle 7) was confirmed unanimous by Tyra, Nigel & Twiggy. Though she is billed as the judges' favorites - they felt her win in the acting challenge has caused her to compromise her standards in delivering the commercial, which she often flubs her lines and as claimed by Nigel, acted like a drunkard and over the top kissing... the judges felt it is the worst TV commercial in ANTM history and felt it was time to give CariDee a wakeup call by placing her in bottom two.
I really hope these statements will verify my stand, and i hope there shouldnt be any eradication of the stats, thank you.
:It's not that these aren't verifiable.  it's just that, in my opinion, many of these stats are getting too trivial.  It may be nice for a fansite, but for an encyclopedia entry....  By the way, I'm not necessarily commenting on your stat additions.  I"m just commenting on the whole list in general. SKS2K6 22:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of stats: Judges' opinions of the Best & Worst Photoshoots & TV commercials in ANTM History. 

message: Do we know why the seasons are referred to as "cycles?" This differentiates the series from other American shows, so I think it's important to cover. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 20:12, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cycle" 

message: Why do both ANTM and America's Next Top Model exist?  Shouldn't ANTM redirect to this page?  The talk page does that arleady...  SKS2K6 23:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've redirected ANTM to America's Next Top Model.  Fabricationary 00:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TWO pages?

message: I've organized Cycle 1's page into a table containing summaries, airdates, titles, and screenshots.  What do you all think of this layout being carried on the other cycle's pages?  (The reason for the screenshot was that I think many ANTM fans identify episodes by the week's photoshoot rather than the not-very-publicized-titles or the eliminee.) Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it looks nice, but are all those photos going to pass copyright muster? Isn't the trend here not to use (claimed) "fair use" images? - dcljr (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have categorized them as promotional screenshots, which they are.  Fabricationary 21:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the pretty table, good job--LooseTheHotButtonS 11:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format of each cycle's page?

message: Since this article has now been split into subarticles by cycle, should we redirect those talk pages (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) to this one? - dcljr (talk) 18:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be nice, since it doesn't seem necessary to have all those talk pages.  Fabricationary 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk from individual cycles

message: Last Friday, I posted that some writers on ANTM had disrupted work for an hour and had threatened to go on strike over a dispute on union membership.  The strike began the next day and was still ongoing as of Tuesday.  However, I came back to the ANTM page and saw it removed.  I think LilFlip 246 did it, but why?  The notation said "source," but I cited the Los Angeles Times business section.  This is an important development, as it threatens the show schedule for the next cycle.--Desmond Hobson 15:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strike

message: It's an objective fact that Elyse was the coolest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.71.223.141 (talk • contribs).
:Naah, that sounds like it falls outside the bounds of a Neutral point of view. I'm pretty sure. - Fennec 05:21, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I object, because I have hope that someone will eventually write them.  I could be delusional, but hey.  Alixandra 22:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think that we should check and see which names are actually doing work and who can be discussed in a context besides the show. Elyse, maybe Amanda, Tocarra, Ann, Naima, Eva, Adrianne, Mercedes, Shandi, Yoanna, Brittany, I can see them having their own pages. A lot of the others seem to have fallen through the cracks after their seasons ended. --JamesB3 22:46, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it makes sense to give them more time. --Quasipalm 14:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree. I am sure that many people out there are wondering what all the contestants are doing these days. I know that Tiffany appeared in a music video ("Naomi" by Dre) most recently, for instance.Peanutbuttercups 18:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd say if you can leave the comment you just made, you know enough to make a page. But it might be a good idea, given the reservations expressed by others above, to start writing the article you have in mind on your user page (follow the red link on your user name) and see if it will be considered "encyclopedic" enough to not get immediately nominated for deletion. <g> Remember that putting double-brackets around something creates a link to another Wikipedia article (if it exists). See Help:Editing for more technical information about editing a page. Oh, and see the links in the welcome I just put on your talk page... - dcljr (talk) 09:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ANTM contestants' own Wikipedia pages?

message: About this time last cycle, dozens of anonymous users started editing the contestant list insterting their own winners/eliminees into the bunch.  Not only was this irritating vandalism, but it misled people that came to this page looking for ANTM info, and it also hurt this article's credibility.  I propose that if this vandalism starts again, we protect both this page and cycle 6's page to avoid this problem and the effort we'd have to make in reverting all of the speculative edits.  Who's with me?  Fabricationary 07:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea! I'm with you. Peanutbuttercups 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protecting this & cycle 6's page

message: *AGENICES - We should make a section of which agencies they've signed with. Lil Flip246 16:16, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *This is really important. We should consider this. Lil Flip246 02:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *yes this is a good idea you girl but agencies is spelled like that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.120.74.235 (talk • contribs) 
We should write a section on how none of the winners or contestants become real top models. How they dont do anything but show up at appearances. Lil Flip246 17:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Practically every contestant who has appeared on the show has her own Wikipedia page that details her success, if any, outside of the show.  Fabricationary 05:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some have gone on to be models (most have not), others are notable in other areas - we could mention those. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew238 (talk • contribs) 
Those all sound like good ideas.--Lolalala 23:38, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: After the show

message: Anyone see the latest one where they went to Tokyo?  Bwaaaa ha ha ha ha ha. Exploding Boy 18:26, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)
I think it's hilarious that someone changed the location that the remaining contestants are going to Pluto, but I feel that it should say something more formal, like "To be announced."THE evil fluffyface 00:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: International Destination

message: Mercedes Scelba-Shorte (Cycle 2) lupus, Amanda Swafford (Cycle 3) retinitis pigmentosa, Rebecca Epley (Cycle 4) balance disorder, Noelle Staggers (Cycle 4) endometriosis.
What's about Michelle Deighton (Cycle 4)?
Wasn't her skin's trouble a somekind of disease?
*Yeah, Michelle's skin problem was impetigo, which seems to belong in that category.  Funny, I don't recall any mention of Noelle having endometriosis on C4.  Unless it came out in an interview after the show, I think it might be someone's idea of a sarcastic joke given how much she talked about her baby.  Fabricationary 03:40, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if I detected sarcasm in your own post(?) but if not, here's an answer - she did mention her endometriosis during casting, then went on to call her son her "miracle baby", because of the fact that she was able to give birth to him despite being told that she could never have children. So it is a fact. Erdbeere 03:26, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestant(s) who dealt with a disease on the show 

message: Countless anonymous users have kept editing the page and listing the two eliminated contestants on top under the heading "Contestants in order of elimination" while leaving the vast majority of contestants (who have not been eliminated) on the same list as if they have also been eliminated in that specific order.  It is misleading and invites vandals/speculators to change the order of the existing girls to make their own assumptions as to who will be eliminated next/who will win.  (Case in point:  countless changes to the list shifting the names of Jayla, Nicole, Nik, and Bre last season leading up to the finale)
Therefore, for now, it is logical to list contestants by first name alphabetical order with a note by the names of the already-eliminated girls.  Until about half of the girls have been eliminated, this is the most concise and clear way of noting this; after that, two separate lists can be made - "Contestants in order of elimination" and "Contestants still in the running to be America's Next Top Model" or some variation of those two.
I'll keep reverting the page back to this version until enough contestants have been cut to merit a separate list of eliminated contestants.
Fabricationary 04:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cycle summary

message: Someone changed the ANTM crossovers, and they put wrong information.  This person said that Eva won the acting challenge and got the opportunity to be on Kevin Hill.  Yaya won the acting challenge in Cycle 3, and all she won was to be in first class while they flew a plane to Tokyo.  Eva got to be on Kevin Hill because she won Cycle 3.  Can someone change it back to the way it was before?  Thanks in advance.
-CrossingGuard 00:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANTM Crossovers 

message: Hey, I've got a question: Sanne Nijhof from the Dutch version of ANTM entered the Ford Models contest, and on 17 January 2007, she won the Ford Models Supermodel of the World competition, winning a US$ 250,000 contract with the world renowned agency. Why isn't that in the story about the Dutch version of ANTM? And as far as anyone knows, no other girl from whatever version of ... Next Top Model has ever achieved that, placing Sanne in the Top of all the contesters, of every version of ... Next Top Model. I think it would be worth mentioning.
Rob --84.104.123.100 23:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete story Sanne Nijhof (Holland's Next Topmodel cycle 1) 

message: Not to try to start anything but I remember when the links section became crammed with links to various websites and recaps. Does this link belong there? If so, shouldn't other sites with recaps and the sort be allowed?
Just curious. 24.83.211.180 06:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BuddyTV links 

message: Under the "International Versions" section, it says that the name of the Israeli version of America's Next Top Model is "Israel's Next Top Model." I searched and found out the the show is actually named "Models", according to Hebrew Wikipedia. Can someone change this? MadMagFreak 22:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel's Next Top Model? 

message: Melrose Bickerstaff is not the right name. Her real name is Mellisa Rose. She even says so on the fist episode.
 
Yeah, but Melissa (Melrose) established that she goes by Melrose. 
So where does Bickerstaff come from?
According to tv.com:
Most Recent Role: Contestant - Cycle 7 on America's Next Top Model; Birthplace: San Francisco, California; Birth Name: Melissa Rose Bickerstaff
Melrose is most identifiable by the name "Melrose", even if her given name is Melissa. I say keep it as "Melrose" or else we're going to be having people wonder "Who the hell is Melissa?!" SkittlzAnKomboz 19:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Name

message: There are empty tags and weird comments under headings... will an experienced Wikipedia-editor please adjust? This is a mess. --le petite robot 02:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This format needs reconstruction. 

message: It seems that everytime I frequent the site the last names of many Cycle 8 contestants keep changing. I thought that Sarah & Cassandra's surnames were "confirmed" since a long time ago but apparently not because they just got changed AGAIN. Among others, Diana, Brittany, Renee, Samantha, Kathleen, Natasha and Jael have all had at least 2 last names credited to each of them over a period of 2 weeks. The only "consistent" ones have been Whitney, Dionne and Jaslene (and Felicia, who has not had her last name assigned to her, yet). Can anyone verify the actual last names of all the contestants? I think it'll stop the maddening changes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ZephyrWind (talk • contribs) 11:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cycle 8 

message: Just to point out that some of the "winners" listed in the table for each series is completely incorrect. Series 3,4 and 5 in particular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.4.21 (talk • contribs) 
::If people are going to keep messing up with the names of the winners (including that of Cycle 8, even though the finale is weeks away), maybe the page should be protected. Just a thought. 24.83.211.180 00:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect Winners

message: Pretty self-explanatory. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.191.145.24 (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The statistics section is almost all trivial, and much of it is based on original research, which Wikipedia is against.  There is no way of verifying much of the information, including height and weight (since ANTM has stopped giving out that information).  It is information that belongs on fan pages and websites, not on Wikipedia. SKS2K6 07:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I found it utterly pointless, to be blunt. Just clogged up the page, and it got to the point where just about anything was considered trivia. I hope it doesn't come back. No offense to those who liked it. 24.83.211.180 00:55, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add the statistics back into the page! 

message: Is that information of cycle 9 true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nico 777 (talk • contribs) 23:31, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycle 9? 

message: I removed the vandalism from user 70.243.213.61 and it seems that someone removed the vandalism from user 70.243.213.60.  Both of these were defamatory statements about Jasmene winning instead of Natasha. I warned the first user about vandalism.  Please everyone watch the page for further vandalism.  Thanks!
08:58, 17 May (UTC)
Ok, now someone replaced Natasha's name with "Russian Whore".
9:40 May 2007
Jaslene did win and Natasha is a Russian Whore!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.242.218 (talk) 05:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism of Cycle 8

message: Indonesia Model and Nigeria's next top model were beauty pagents, they shouldn't be counted as top model shows
Do you have proof?  THE evil fluffyface 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That article says there will be subsequent cycles/seasons, thus making it a show. Itsmeiam 20:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indonesia and Nigeria 

message: Do we really need this part of this article?  I think it bogs down the article.  If we really need this information, can't we put the information under the contestants' respective cycles?  THE evil fluffyface 14:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lives After <i>Top Model</i>

message: I think this quote is completely biased and partially false.
"So far, the only relatively successful alumni to achieve a certain degree of exposure in the modelling and acting world are Nicole Linkletter, Elyse Sewell, Eva Pigford, Joanie Dodds, Adrianne Curry (who has also criticized the show), and Yoanna House."
A source is also wrongly credited for this statement so I am going to take the liberty to remove it.  Firstly, there are bigger successes who have failed to be recognized (i.e. Ann and Mollie Sue).  In addition, Joanie has not been very successful compared to the majority of contestants or her Cycle 6 counterparts and listing her name is not precisely factual.
Yaya from cycle 5 was also the lead actress in "Take the Lead," so that information is false.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.136.232.103 (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Successful ANTM Alumni 

message: I love that there are so many international versions but could this section perhaps become its own separate article? Just a suggestion. 24.83.211.180 02:01, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  International versions 

message: ===Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia===
The Interational Destination will be Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
[]
===China===
Tyra herself stated in her fanclub newsletter that she returned from filming the show in China, in addition to the fact that Miss Jay has been photographed recently in Bejing.  Lastly, photographs have surfaced of Tyra in China at a photoshoot..  Despite that one site claiming it as an international destination, there are too many conflicting reports to truthfully say one way or the other.
(Tastyfreeze43 17:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I saw those posted on the topmodel LiveJournal community. I don't think it should be edited until there is more proof, since LJ isn't considered a reliable source (for good reason). CarlosTheDwarf 18:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's from LiveJournal. It's not considered to be a reliable source. Even if Tyra is shown to be there, there are still other sites claiming it's in Malaysia. I'm not really sure why people keep editing the field. Why not just leave it alone until there's solid confirmation? 70.79.66.26 19:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycle 9 International Destination 

message: Tyra herself stated in her fanclub newsletter that she returned from filming the show in China, in addition to the fact that Miss Jay has been photographed recently in Bejing.  Lastly, photographs have surfaced of Tyra in China at a photoshoot..  Despite that one site claiming it as an international destination, there are too many conflicting reports to truthfully say one way or the other.
(Tastyfreeze43 17:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I saw those posted on the topmodel LiveJournal community. I don't think it should be edited until there is more proof, since LJ isn't considered a reliable source (for good reason). CarlosTheDwarf 18:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's from LiveJournal. It's not considered to be a reliable source. Even if Tyra is shown to be there, there are still other sites claiming it's in Malaysia. I'm not really sure why people keep editing the field. Why not just leave it alone until there's solid confirmation? 70.79.66.26 19:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: China

message: Where did all of the information on the cycles go? Why would someone delete it? 22:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information? 

message: Please refrain from putting the winner on the America's Next Top Model page when it hasn't been officially announced. Even if you are right, it would be nice to the readers (who don't wanna be spoiled).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.242.218 (talk) 05:22, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Reveal The Winner! 

message: Okay, honestly, stop fooling around with the Cycle 9 contestant list! They have been announced on MULTIPLE occasians! They are NOT TBA! Omniii 00:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycle 9 Contestants 

message: There is no truth that heather is the winner and lisa the runner up, please stop posting this information. Also, whoever keeps posting about the final 2 and Jenah winning, please stop.13 October 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omniii (talk • contribs) 21:52, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do not reveal the winner! 

message: I think it's pointless to list all 16 "youngest contestants" in show statistics. The mere fact that there are so many of them shows that it's not noteworthy. I think it would be better to just put somehow that the minimum age for participation is 18, and that many contestants were 18 when they were on the show. Thoughts? Eatcacti 18:51, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show Statistics 

message: How does a redirect is chosen/placed??? "Top Model" shouldn't redirect here!!!!! Who did this redirection? Top Model shall redirect to Supermodel!!!!!!!! Then, if someone wants a link to this page could be placed there, but shall not be found in here...Undead Herle King (talk) 23:15, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How & who??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

message: Quitting the competition and being eliminated are 2 very different thins. Which is why Tyra reacted the way she did even labeling her a "quitter". Ebony should not be listed as being eliminated (because she wasn't). Ambreal was eliminated and after she was, Ebony announced she was quitting. Tyra did not have to let Ambreal stay, she was allowed to only because Ebony quit. It should be stated that way.Aladdin Zane 16:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to make a separate category for "quitters". It would be better to put Ebony under eliminated contestants and then put (quit) in parentheses. When the show has finished airing in a few weeks it won't matter anyway because it will be formatted like the rest of the seasons. On a side note, while Tyra may think quitting is awful (thus her reaction to Ebony) that doesn't mean it is. If Ebony figured out that she didn't want to be a model there's no reason for her to stay on the show. Saying that she quit is correct, but calling her a quitter or saying QUIT in all capital letters is inflammatory and POV and there's no reason to include that. Eatcacti 20:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I have reverted your edits to the elimination order. The point of having the elimination order there is to show in which order contestants left the show. Putting contestants who quit in a separate category defeats the purpose because it doesn't show when they left the competition. In addition, putting QUIT in all capital letters is unnecessary. If you feel it's necessary to indicate which contestants quit I think it would be a better idea to put (quit) after their name so that the order in which they left the show is left intact. And not in all capital letters, that makes it sound like you're trying to insult them. Eatcacti 20:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fine with them being in order with (quit) by their name. But a distinction does need to be made as these contestants were not eliminated, Also I did not put in the article "quitter" because to me there is a difference in a quitter, and someone that quit. But there is also a difference in someone that quit, and someone that was eliminated. In fact by some peoples views, the ones that quit on there on terms can possibly be seen in a little better light than those that got eliminated. But I do think there should be a distinction, So the way you wanted to put it, is perfectly OK, I agreeAladdin Zane 02:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: QUIT

message: Whoever is adding Chantal's last name (Jones), Saleisha (Cooper) and Lisa (Cossé), stop. IMDb and that other source is not reliable. They rely on user submitted information and do not require citations. So stop. Sireafi (talk) 01:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether or not one has to be an actor or actress to add names, it has been proven time and time again that the names on IMDb are often wrong. See: Heather Rhetson (IMDb) vs. Heather Kuzmich (New York Times), Lisa Cosse (IMDb) vs. Lisa Jackson (Seattle Post-Intellegencer), Saleisha Cooper (IMDb) vs. Saleisha Stowers (The CW). These are just examples; there are many, many more cases of IMDb getting it wrong. It may be right much of the time, but it just can't be relied on. Eatcacti (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop it 

message: I have added citations for the surnames of the cycle 9 contestants. These surnames and references are the same that are on the contestant list at the America's Next Top Model, Cycle 9 article. I realize that this is very messy looking, but I really feel strongly that it is necessary to keep these citations in for now, probably at least until the end of the cycle. After that the edits will die down and the correct surnames will be better publicized. I hope that having the citations will prevent or at the very least lessen the instances of people adding and removing names at whim. If you do decide to remove these citations, please at least leave an explanation here or in the edit summary. Eatcacti (talk) 10:34, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for Cycle 9 contestants' surnames 

message: ok if this goes right then it should be a new topic :D ok so in jaslene gonzalez's biography it states she is 92 lbs...(just go to the link) and then in antm general statistics AND in cycle 8 gral statistics it says she is 110 lbs...which one is wrong???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superrodris89 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I kind of think someone put in 92 lbs as the weight as a subtle form of vandalism. She is very skinny but there's just no way she's that skinny. A month or two ago there was a whole rash of vandalism on Jaslene's article, so maybe it got added in then and was just never removed. Eatcacti (talk) 11:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaslene's Weight 

message: < http://www.cwtv.com/thecw/topmodel-cycle11-Casting > Please add? Sireafi (talk) 02:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycle 11 Application 

message: THERE WILL BE FINNISH TOP MODEL, IT STARTS 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.251.133.171 (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Do you know of a website or an article about it so it can be added to the list? Also, is it something other than this? Eatcacti (talk) 12:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hi 

message: Her name should not be linked because she doesn't have a page. There are many contestants (probably more than a dozen) who don't have articles but instead have redirects who are not linked, and Kahlen should be no exception to this rule. The reason she shouldn't be linked is because it misleads people into thinking that she does have an article. It misleads people into thinking that there's something about her that is notable enough to have her own article, which is not the case. Since she redirects to Cycle 4, there's no reason to link her, because if someone wants to see cycle 4 they'll just click the link that's literally right next to her name. Eatcacti (talk) 03:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kahlen Rondot 

message: sb had put this thing like "i luv you" in the links...and i tried to help..and i kinda...deformatted it all..and now links are missing :S please help... Lucia (talk) 21:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you go to the History page, you can see a handy little link called undo.  For minor, 1-time things, just click it and it's done.  you could have saved yourself a lot of time that way. :P  SKS2K6 (talk) 21:52, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ok like totally HELP

message: Jenah Doucette didn't not win Cycle 9 but Saleisha Cooper did.
:Fixed now. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 03:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't TWoP. Give it a rest. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 09:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANTM cycle 9 

message: Why was this removed? I've been an editor for three years so I'm not some newbie or random vandal. Assume good faith. Mike H. Celebrating three years of being hotter than Paris 09:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yoanna's weight and the state representation

message: It's only, what, two weeks since Saleisha won Cycle 9 and people are already adding false information for Cycle 10? What? The best part, a large majority of them don't have accounts. Good way to fix this? Lock. So I'm requesting a lock on this article. The one where only members can edit the article. Sireafi (talk) 21:02, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Requesting Lock

message: As I noticed I left a topic in Cycle 6 and no one read it so I bring it here...The statistics for highest and lowest weight of contestants are missing i dont know if it is for lack of information but i think we should complete them...anyone help? I've found some of Cycle 6...thanks Lucia (talk) 21:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cycle 6 and 5 weights