Talk:Rzeczpospolita

message: I think that a disambiguation page is in order here.  Articles about Poland frequently refer to both the paper and the state, and it would be clearer and simpler for readers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crestodina (talk • contribs) 09:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't find any articles with links to Rzeczpospolita where they should be to Rzeczpospolita (newspaper). So I don't think making a disambiguation page is necessary. Kpalion 18:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: In these languages, the term is not a borrowing in the sense that they have it as a loanword, rather the idea was borrowed - and the two standard languages have such translated the concept (a calque) and come up with something similar. After all, Rzeczpospolita is simply the Polish Republic but in loanword approximation. Ukranian and Belarussian, Eastern Slavic though they may be, both border Poland and as everyone is familiar, there is no defining linguistic or ethnic boundry where West Slavs/Slavic ends and east begins; they are contiguous. As such, it is only to be expected that their names are similar to Polish. By contrast, Lithuanian - a non-Slavic tongue - has the term Žečpospolita. They simply use /ž/ for Polish /rz/ or /ż/ etc. so here we have a proper loanword. Would anyone object if I were to switch the term for Ukranian and Belarussian to "calques in loanword approximation to Polish"? Or is there an obsure non-Slavic root even to the Polish word? Evlekis 13:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why the article says that Рэч Паспалітая or Річ Посполита are loanwords from Polish is that they are used solely in reference to the Polish-Lith. Commonwealth. The standard word for a republic in the East Slavic languages is республіка (respublika). — Kpalion(talk) 20:33, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah I see what you mean; yeah I know that it is generally /res/ in countries which were formerly a part of the Soviet Union, I just don't know if there is some kind of link. Of course, res is original Latin. Be that as it may, although Ukranian uses it to describe the Pol/Lith commonwealth, they seem to have naturalised it in a way that Lithuanian hasn't done. Does rzeczpospolita have a Slavic root? Sounds Slavic but the letter combinations on the last three syllabes don't seem Slavic. Evlekis 20:48, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have an etymological dictionary at hand to back it up, but I'm pretty sure pospolity is of Slavic origin. A Google search shows it's used in other West Slavic languages (Czech, Slovak). In East Slavic languages, on the other hand, the word посполитый seems to be used almost only in the Речь Посполита (Rech Pospolita) compound. — Kpalion(talk) 09:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Made a little change. So in case it pops up again - pospolity in RP and later Hetmanate were called free  peasants, especially Ruthenian ones after Khmelnytsky Uprising. Korwinski (talk)   — Preceding undated comment added 21:37, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine and Belarus 

message: It is clear that the usage "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" is typical in the publications on the history of the region.  Nevertheless, the present meaning of "commonwealth" as in "British Commonwealth" or "Commonwealth of Independent Nations" does not describe the political organization that was Rzeczpospolita.  Rather than using the nuances of the linguistic similarities between translations of "res publica," "rzecz pospolita," and "common wealth" would it not be better to translate "Rzeczpospolita" as "Republic?"
:You are making sense, though I'm not sure wikipedia is the place to change a term that's already in usage outside of it?[citation needed?] Anyway, seems like "Rzeczpospolita" is translated as "commonwealth" when it comes to the Polish-Lithuanian_Commonwealth, and as "republic" when it comes to, say, People's_Republic_of_Poland. Seems to me though, that unless you get the historians to change the term "from the inside" it's stuck here. Then again, somebody actually versed in the ways of the wiki should answer that. 178.183.232.121 (talk) 00:51, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Commonwealth

message: I tried to make some NPOV changes, but I expect them to be instantly reverted. You can't fight lobbies.
-G  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.121.216 (talk) 19:03, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV, propaganda changes

message: The three maps used here are all in different scales which creates the impression (at the first glance) that the 2nd Rzeczpospolita was much bigger than the first, misleadingly. Gestumblindi (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps 

message: Good day, I AM Crown Monarch of Rzeczpospolita Syste. I would like to inform you than many informations are wrong about Monarchy State. I AM glad and disapointed than again something was created on base od my work what is not payed. 89.200.44.176 (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meritorical base