Talk:Greek diaspora

message: The Greek diaspora refers to the greek communities established by immigrants outside the traditional greek homelands.thus,the Greeks in turkey and albania do not fit in this category.--Hectorian 12:40, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell user:Athenean: He claims that 300k greeks flew to Albania recently, even though one of the references that he brings clearly states that those aliens are only 58k (Albanian Govt). Well next year the Albanian census will be done again, let's see if Athenean will care about that. I ain't doing any edit-warring with him though, don't have the time.sulmues (talk)--Sulmues 22:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greeks in Albania 

message: I reverted the edits of gsal,cause they were based in a huge variety of sources(censa as old as 1989,estimations by organisations,etc) which all had as a common characteristic the chose of the minimum number.Not that other estimations and censa cannot be used,but i think it would be more suitable to be used along with the official greek estimations.--Hectorian 19:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me answer to u according to what u said. the number of the Greeks in USA, since this is what u mentioned first, can either include people by solely greek ancestry, by primarily greek ancestry and people of mixed ancestry that had at least one greek ancestor(partial ancestry). i can't see why you object on that, giving the fact that even in the american censa, the numbers are debatable: see the population of German Americans in the 1990 and 2000 censa respectively: , . was there a mass genocide or an exodus concerning them? the population figures on the table of this page are based on official greek estimates(mostly) that agree with the community estimates of the countries they refer too. in addition, even the ukrainian officials were talking about a higher number (personaly, never heard of that before). so, how can u persuade anyone that u are saying something more, than simply your POV? 'naming dispute'...'military balance'...these are just your own analysis and cannot be considered NPOV here... --Hectorian 13:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

text: So, i guess u are either greek or u know greek (since u provide a link written in greek). according to your logic, 18=8..., right?even if we accept that 8 mill german-americans stated simply 'americans' in the 2000 census, 10 mil are still "missing". not to forget that u do not have not even one (!!!!!!!!) source claiming that the rise of people of ';american ancestry' in the USA, all comes from former german-americans. i challenge u to gimme a source about that, and i am 100% sure that u won't... honestly, i believe that u are allowed to have your POV (no matter if it is based somewhere or not...). but what u are doing in this article, is simply trolling... u are obsessed in making the Greeks look fewer (as if we are many....!!!!)(pls do not force me to search and find the cases where u tried to reduce the number of the greeks...). u should provide a source that backs up your POV (and this source, surely is not the USA census). leave your speculations for the forums and talkpages. --Hectorian 03:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Secretary of Greeks Abroad 

message: There are 50,000 ethnic Greeks in Brazil (http://www.memorialdoimigrante.sp.gov.br/historico/index.htm, link Estatísticas Gerais: Imigrantes e Descendentes)
Surprising this article would cite sources with such low numbers compared to that.  On top of that, those 50,000 are apparently just in Sao Paulo alone.  I'm going to change this, especially since that site is by the Brazilian government.Griegomd (talk) 05:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That number includes the descendants of those inmigrants, which naturally gives a bigger number. The lower number is from the Greek government, while the bigger number is not from the Brazilian goverment directly, but from the municipal government of Sao Paulo. --Enric Naval (talk) 05:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
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message: Why is the population of Greeks in Greece and Cyprus (possibly Turkey too) in this page? This page is not a census on Greeks worldwide, as diaspora means; (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering or sowing of seeds") is used (without capitalization) to refer to any people or ethnic population forced or induced to leave their traditional ethnic homelands. An explanation please? Chaldean 04:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It helps put the other numbers in context, and if we remove Greece and Cyprus, then we will also have to remove other "traditional ethnic homelands" such as Turkey and Albania and other places. This could give rise to POV pushing when deciding what to remove. Much better to include everything.--Domitius 08:24, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It helps put the other numbers in context - dont know what you mean by that? Chaldean 05:13, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Greeks in Greece are diapsora?

message: According to the 2006 Irish Census, there are 471 Greeks living in the Republic of Ireland. (See page 2) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jvlm.123 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greeks in Ireland 

message: According to the factbook, the estimated total pop. of Greece is 10,706,290 in 2007, your number is 90% of it. Where did you get this 90%? According to the factbook, in 2001, 93% of people in Greece were ethnic Greek (or maybe Greek citizens, I am confused by the remark following it:"note: percents represent citizenship, since Greece does not collect data on ethnicity"). In any case, in my opinion, we should not write there 93% of 10,706,290 either, as we don't know that it is 93% in 2007. Lets avoid original research. Albanian case is similar. The number for Cyprus is 'better' (not rounded) in this version. DenizTC 20:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gon4z

message: Expatriat Greeks have made Ethiopia their home for a number of centuries. I don't know who was the first to do so, but numerous Greeks held posts under different Emperors at least as early as Iyasu II. -- llywrch 03:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greeks in Ethiopia 

message: Why not sort by higher estimates, as those estimates usually include more people of Greek descent rather than simply Greek nationals? Griegomd (talk) 09:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorted by lower estimates? 

message: double check the numbers and use official up to date statistics for citation.For example in Egypt used to be a large community of 350,000 but the were expelled by Nasser.Now there are more like 3-4,000 as remnants.So what's the use of having the former number too in the table?--Ioannes Tzimiskes (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: We shall

message: How is this true and why, and when did it happen...that sentence leaves you dangling on a cliff without elaboration.
66.82.162.17 (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Greeks of venice are 'lost to history'??

message: For those countries with fewer than 50 Greeks, I hope we are not counting amongst them Greek diplomatic personel - for instance in Cuba. Politis (talk) 21:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Not diplomatic personel

message: Does the rank column in the table have any importance or functionality? It does not really denote rank (i.e. as per larger number of Greeks) as this can only be determined by the official data, and it does not have meaning as order, as the order can be deduced anyhow by any of the sortable columns(alphabetic country, greater to lesser population numbers, and so on) Gts-tg (talk) 18:38, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
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message: It is well known that population figures that are suggested are often at least doubly inflated, lets be realistic not patriotic, however fun it is to wave a flag up and down this is complete nonsense behavior best remained for the malákas who want to say there is more Caucasian Greeks in Melbourne and the New York boroughs of Astoria (Queens) and Manhattan than there is more Caucasian Anglo-Irish-Celtic-British. It would still be interesting to develop a working number that is actually reasonable. 
By my estimates if we take the case to be roughly 8million from these numbers, even where this is halved to 4million this is still at least one quarter of the ethnic Greek population (including myself) living abroad. This is a significant issue that is underrepresented by the Greek government and by any international body. Even Armenian populations are better represented here, as are ethnic Jews with almost national census data of those Jews living abroad. It plays strongly into the current economic issues with remittances. 
There are large, and wealthy Greek populations in New York, London (see: the Agia Sophia London as example of Neo-byzantine opulence) As well as Melbourne, Sydney and other major Alpha world cities with significant Cypriot populations in South Africa as well as the aforementioned areas in Australia and also in Canada.
Anyway... The crux is this we need to look at what the exact numbers are and what this actually means to the state of Greece particularly now. To my knowledge there is currently no research being undertaken directly in this area, from notable published sources, now more than ever this kind of research needs further work. 
We all know the population figures here are make believe fairy bread, lets call it for what it is. --1.121.129.251 (talk) 12:55, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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message: You are confusing terms. This constitutes a typical Greek Orthodox attitude and a shallow level of awareness. You confuse the terms a. social - family faith and b. inner need to understand the cosmos. If you were born in a different family, you would again mimic its norms. Do you indirectly claim that non Greek Orthodox people are criminals? East Asians, under the same conditioning, have lower crime rates. Jesus Christ was born close to Greece, so his ideas were able to travel. Buddha and Confucius were more afar, thus their ideas couldn't become established. This is something practical and not divine. The Christian God is anthropomorphic. Anthropomorphism means that human attributes as love, hate, teaching, wish, linear flow of time etc. are ascribed to anything non-human. Anthropomorphism is a means for the average person to grasp subtle ideas; but distorted and not in their original form. The average person is the typical person. People love the typical person because they understand him/her. A deep thinker isn't a parental yesman, and many people consider him/her evil. Even Jesus Christ was considered evil by most of his fellow citizens. Thought and intellect isn't static. Even Jesus Christ was a bringer of change. Wise people when they have a good reason do change. Wise people have analytical thought. The Greek Orthodox is an eternal being that will dwell in the future in a Heretical Hebrew myth. The most crucial constituents of the Christian Paradise are of hebrew origin. Most Greek Orthodox people have a very negative opinion of Hebrews which they dub God-killers (theoktonoi). The Christian myth is extremely boring for a thorough-minded person.
The Greek Orthodox person doesn't reflect with the mind but with the soul. Modern neuroscience has proven in fMRIs that topologically specific brain-lesions, cause specific behavioural and functional damage! The Greek Orthodox cannot die, because his/her intellect doesn't change after death, and as a matter of fact the Greek Orthodox don't require the human brain because are unable to use it rigorously, being typical and average. Many immigrants confuse Greekness with archaic beliefs. The motherland isn't static. And Greekness doesn't require metaphysicality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8423:BF00:1C51:7DC4:9AA9:ABEC (talk) 03:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
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message: which areas are the greek homeland?
its hard to tell if the places listed after Cyprus are part of the homeland or areas with a large diasphora.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.131.193.6 (talk) 21:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
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message: Acording to the Icelandic Census of 2021 
around 225 Greek citizens lived in Iceland at that time. This is at least as I'm aware the most reliable source I know of when it comes to the Greek population in Iceland. I'd suggest therefore that Iceland be added to the table of Greeks living abroad to reflect this fact. Thehardcorewiiupcand (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
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