Talk:Polish–Lithuanian–Muscovite Commonwealth

message: Please let us know exactly what is POV here and how can we fix it (or better, sofixit). If there are no comments here in a few days I'd assume that the POV has been eliminated.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:01, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop trolling. The Papists and Jesuits got their asses kicked elsewhere in Northern Europe not for nothing. Your idea that the Russians would have gladly renounced their Orthodoxy and embraced a Popish envoy from Warsaw reeks of original research and undermines credibility of Wikipedia in general. If you remove the tags, they will be restored in a moment. --Ghirla | talk 09:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, Ghirla, are you feeling well? I thought this was behind us... Accusing me of trolling is not helping you, and your arguments and logic are quite... bizzare, to say the least. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also thought that I should not raise the issue of defrocking as you apparently reconsidered your "bad behaviour" as you call it. Unfortunately, your behaviour on this page borders on trolling. I have learned much about trollish ways, even earning an anti-troll barnstar in the process, so I may remind you that their favourite strategy is pestering. That's exactly what you've been doing here - asking "continual questions with obvious or easy to find answers". Therefore I follow the WP:DFTT's advice and "politely explain to you that I'd love to help but I am rather busy". Please don't bother me anymore. --Ghirla | talk 18:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Ghirla, as much as I'd love to reform you, I don't have time for it, so I'll just say this: nobody invited you to this discussion, so we would all be extremly happy if you'd never let yourself be bothered by Poland-related articles. EOT.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:54, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Irpen, I'll repeat this slowly: you brought forward ONE reference - EB. I agree with what this reference sais, and I won't object to including such wording in the article. However, you fail to convince me - so far - of all your claims, especially those related to PLMC or Miedzymorze (the EB article talks about PLC alone, and not about those hypothetical federations). Plese provide more references, and feel free to sofixit and edit the article(s) until you consider it non-POVed. I am copying the quotes relevenat to PLC to that article's talk page, but please, include direct linsk to the articles. Even if they require registration/etc., many of our users have such access, and online references must have online links.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, you brought Columbia as well. That's two sources for PLC. And a Russian source  related to Miedzymorze which I'll take your word is saying what you wrote, as I cannot read any of it (but you said nothing about reputability of that site). Am I missing anything? Now if you don't provide links, you are not being that helpfuf. I was willing to rewrite PLC to include your comments about lapses in religious tolerance towards Orthodoxy, but if you cannot provide links to the articles you once found, then I am sorry, I don't have time to repeat/verify your work. As for PLMC/Miedzymorze article, I'll repeat for the umptieth time that you have not provided any references related to them, you are only extrapolating your personal opinion of what PLC was to those two hypothetical entities. Unless you can provide references that clearly state that PLMC/Miedzymorze were planned to be Poland/Catholic-dominated, I cannot see why your personal POV should be enough to put a POV tag on those articles.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 20:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Tnx for providing the links, especially the one to the R/U language source. You definetly make a good argument in case of PLC, and the PLMC article should also mention the Orthodox plight, however you still have not provided anything to contradict the statement from Malec that religious tolerance was smaller in Muscovy then it was in Poland. I am also not seeing here much about this alleged Polish Catholic 'proselytism' or missionaries.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irpen, as you have 'stopped responding' I assume (as you yourself wrote about) that you will not oppose removal of the npov tag?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV tag removal

message: This seems to have some useful info, but I am too tired to incorporate it now. What do you think?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
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