Talk:Parker–Hulme murder case

message: I could've sworn she was killed by a brick and not a rock. Does anyone know which it was?
:The movie definitely has a brick, but one of the contemporary news reports on the NZ library site has a rock.  ---Ihcoyc
:According to this page, which is the text of a pdf of the newspaper report, it was a brick. That seems like a good case for primary source? ---limegreen
the murder weapon was half a brick inside a stocking  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.36.48 (talk) 05:04, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder weapon 

message: where is melanie rieper at? (pauline parker)
located in Scotland she moved there after she was set free  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.36.48 (talk) 05:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is she? 

message: What about the girls' relationship was so disturbing? Scorpionman 02:06, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: there was nothing desturbing between the relationship they were simply just friends but when the mother wanted to split them up thats when there relationship became closer and they needed to remove the 'obstacle'  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.60.36.48 (talk) 05:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The friendship 

message: Why is Daughters of Heaven, the play, not mentioned as a portrayal in fiction, and where is it's page?--202.154.147.28 (talk) 00:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daughters of Heaven? 

message: I have removed all references to a BrooWaha article written by "LW" from this Wikipedia article. The link given was http://www.webcitation.org/5XMGiAAg4 
The problem is not only that BrooWaha very likely does not meet the criteria listed in WP:RS for reliable sources that can be used in Wikipedia articles but that the article in question was very clearly heavily plagiarized from this very Wikipedia article. Wikipedia cannot use text ripping off earlier versions of the same article as a source for the current article.  
I also checked to make sure that it wasn't a case where the Wikipedia article ripped off the other article. That article was published on November 8, 2007, and contains sentences like "The trial was a sensational affair, with allegations of lesbianism and insanity." and others that were present in this Wikipedia article before that date. 
(Also, we should in general avoid using webcitation.org links as much as possible. One of the major rules of Wikipedia is that we do not link to pages that are copyright violations, and unless the webcitation.org site has explicit permission from the copyright owner, making a copy of an entire page of another site and putting it online is a clear copyright violation.)  DreamGuy (talk) 18:28, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  BrooWaha article removed as source  

message: Pauline Parker is different from Juliet Hulme in that she is known only in relationship to this case. I see no reason for there to be a completely separate article on Wikipedia about her. Absolutely anything about her life notable enough for mention in an encyclopedia should go in this one. If it's not notable for this article it wouldn't be notable for another article either. All the two articles do is duplicate efforts. That article should be redirected to this one, and anything in that one of any significance (and that has reliable sources) should be copied into this article. DreamGuy (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this merge - unlike Juliet Hulme, there doesn't seem to be enough to say about Pauline Parker to justify a separate article independent of this one; her article largely duplicates content already in this one. Robofish (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Ask any group of New Zealanders who Pauline Parker was, and a good proportion would know. Given that we are talking about a 1950s murder, the event wasn't just recent news; her being well-known would thus indicate notability to me. Schwede66 19:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I support the merge, for the reasons given. I presume there would be a redirect for Pauline Parker to this article, as her name is clearly well-known in NZ.  Kerry (talk) 18:21, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I support a merge with a redirect.  She is not independently notable like Juliet Hulme. TheBlinkster (talk) 16:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Pauline Parker to this article 

message: What was the motive for the murder?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC82:E590:6132:4588:E3A8:EBBA (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you just read the article? Schwede66 02:20, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motive 

message: Juliet Hulme had already spent time in South Africa - solely for her health. Her father and mother were both returning to the UK - albeit separately. I would conclude that Juliet was therefore to be "sent to live with relatives in South Africa—for her health". There was no "ostensible" about it, and a more "effectively, if not permanently, separated" was not the aim at all, merely a happy result. Do not forget that the Hulme's had not been in NZ very long, and had no reason to stay.125.237.105.102 (talk) 20:19, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misunderstanding of reason for moving to South Africa? 

message: Reference #1, Dutiful Daughters is now a dead link.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.31.52.185 (talk) 16:26, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting us know. I've linked to an archive.-gadfium 18:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad link 

message: Rightly or wrongly, this event raises issues of class conflict. These were strongly hinted at in the film, where they were shown as the real reason for officialdoms discomfort at their close relationship, rather than lesbianism or insanity, which were pretexts. Should the entry include something relating to this. 31.68.0.54 (talk) 12:07, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The film Heavenly Creatures is a fictionalised version of events and in no way a suitable source for this article. If you have suitable sources analysing the case in class terms, then it might be appropriate to add a sentence or two.-gadfium 19:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class Conflict Issue 

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