Talk:Roswell incident/Archive 3

message: I read the article for the first time to know more about this subject.  At the beginning, I read "...In February 1980, The National Enquirer ran its own interview with Marcel..." and though to myself "Who's this 'Marcel'?!" because he has NOT be introduced before in the article.  Later, I read "...Sheriff Wilcox called Roswell Army Air Field. Maj. Jesse Marcel".  Ah, now I know who he is... until I later read "...who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office".
So, first, it would be nice to introduce this 'Marcel' before just saying "own interview with Marcel".  Second, I don't find it clear on what he was doing back then.  Not having any experience in Roswell, I can't do more than point this out :) -- Lyverbe 18:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Marcel is introduced before your reference - someone had vandalized the page earlier today. I've just reverted the old version so your query should be answered now. Canada Jack 19:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jessy A. Marcel 

message: ITS FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Found titling the first section of the page. I'm changing it to "Summary," but I don't think that's correct, so if someone knows what it should be, please change it. Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.29.201.50 (talk) 04:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper Title? 

message: In November 2005 an anonymous source claiming to be part of a high level group of people within the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) of the USA, began releasing information allegedly concerning a Project Serpo. This released information allegedly confirms that in July 1947 there were two extraterrestrial UFOs that crashed in the state of New Mexico, referenced in this article as the Roswell UFO incident. The Project Serpo releases further allege that there was one surviving alien entity. Communication was allegedly established with this alien and its home world. The alien lived for 5 years and died in 1952. Communications continued with the home world, allegedly in the Zeta Reticuli star system, which led to the arrangement of an exchange program between 1965 and 1978.
Found at the end of one of the sections and presented as fact without any sources cited. I'm removing this to maintain the factuality and objectivity of this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 170.35.224.64 (talk) 17:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say keep it, if some sources are added. It clearly is a "recent development," tied to Roswell, and there are sources (on the page link). Add a source or two and keep it is my suggestion. Canada Jack 14:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Canada Jack.  As long as there is a page on Project Serpo, I suppose it should be mentioned here.  If the page is deleted, then we can revisit the appropriateness of this paragraph.  Phiwum 15:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the Zeta Reticuli star system is 39 light years away, radio contract and an exchange programme taking 13 years would be impossible. 193.25.116.40 08:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're right using conventional radio communications, but the whole idea behind what's been published on inter-stellar travel is that this process involves a warping of space-time, itself, by which, in the case of travel from earth to some far-away star system, the distination point is "pulled" to the here, the person or communication is "attached" to the destination point, and then the destination point is "release" to its normal shape trasporting the traveller directly to the destination and not using the conventional crossing of space that would, take 39 years even traveling at the speed of light. Clearly, it would seem that if aliens have, in fact, visited this planet from such remote places, the do not use conventional methods of travel. 70.103.164.235 02:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF is this? 

message: I will post a vote on my talk page about the Roswell crash. Anyone may participate. --Defender 911 20:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote Early, Vote Often! 

message: arealeins true or a lie and who can prove it ??????  what about the roswell w/ the alien what do you think that it was true????
THis is not a forum go ask there. I will give you my opinion anyway. THe farmer found non-balloon which it wasn't just other crap. It was quickly forgotten. In 1978 the interview was infulecned by all the fiction and taken as fact. Every succeding book has gone farther and farther away. The CIA had let them belive what they wan't so they don't find out about the other secret prjects they had. In the end the latest books have absolutly no truth left. So the military covered up Project Mogul with a weather ballon to maintain National sucurity. No one from science belives it anyway. Uber555 02:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  aliens 

message: There never was a Roswell Air Force Base.  When the Air Force became a separate branch of the military, Roswell Army Air Field became Walker Air Force Base.  When Walker AFB was closed circa 1966 or 1967, the land and facilities were given to the City of Roswell and it became the "Roswell Industrial Air Center".  We still call it 'the base' though.
72.24.50.106 00:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foo Fighters at Roswell Air Force Base 

message: Just a note here to confirm that "Roswell 1847" is indeed the correct title of said film. There has been a back-and-forth on this one (I think I am guilty of "correcting" it to 1947), but I checked and can confirm that production is starting this month and it is set 100 years before the events this page is concerned with. Canada Jack 15:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roswell 1847

message: I picked up Schmitt and Carey's latest: "Witness to Roswell", wherein two new crash sites are detailed and all the old ones are dismissed. I'll probably do a little update with that, including where Freidman stands as per his 2005 update of "Majic 12" Canada Jack 17:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Roswell book

message: Just saw this on Slashdot, a reference to an article in which the Roswell Public Affairs officer, Walter Haut, left behind a signed affidavit stating that indeed there was an alien spacecraft.  The affidavit was to have been opened only after his death, and the text was released last week (according to the article).
I didn't see this mentioned in the article, so thought I'd put it here for your perusal.  Note it also appears as though someone created a Walter Haut article today.  -FeralDruid 03:08, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see it mentioned on the Witness accounts of the Roswell UFO incident page.  -FeralDruid 03:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haut was the original public affairs officer who, on orders of the base commander, Colonel Blancard, released the press statement on the alien spacecraft on the morning of July 8th, 1947 only to release a retraction later in the day in which the long-suspect weather balloon explanation was handed out. What's remarkable about Haut's affadivit is that it is a signed, sworn notarized statement which is permissable as evidence, probably under the dying declaration exception to the hearsay rule in the federal rules of evidence as well as the state rules of evidence. As Fox news pointed out, Haut had distanced himself from the events of July 8th, for most of his life, never spoke of his place in any coverup, never tried to profit from his participation in the events of July 8th, and in his affadavit, clearly suscintly takes up almost every allegation of the Army Air Corps from the afternoon's revised version of events through the 1995 and 1997 investigations. One has to ask himself - WHY would he go to such trouble, and, of course, why would he make provision for the release of this affadavit to come out only after YEARS following his death? Just what was he so afraid of or concerned about that he would go to such great lengths to dispute his draft of the 2nd press release and ONLY after his death? This, for me, is one of the clearest indicators of a cover-up and knowledge of the facts of the incident all the way up through the US Army and into the White House, itself. 70.103.164.235 02:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: News article, July 1st 2007

message: I've noticed that over the last day or so a number of changes were made, such as changing lines to stuff like "However it is not known how many people who actually examined the debris had any experience with high altitude wather ballons" in the section describing one of the books. 
This needlessly changes what are DESCRIPTIONS of the contents of these various books. The point in the section is to simply establish the narrative of what the UFO authors claimed happened, NOT to rebut various claims as they are made. So, "...such as more accounts of the UNKNOWN qualities of the recovered debris" has been reverted to the original "...such as more accounts of the UNEARTHLY qualities of the recovered debris," as that is what the authors are claiming, that these things were of alien origin. The only "fact" to be addressed and verified is if whether that is the CLAIM being made, not whether the claim itself is factual and based in reality.
This page has been the product of a long process of back-and-forth, and I and others seem to agree that it addresses a very controversial subject as neutrally as can be. And that is largely due to fairly spelling out the arguments and counterarguments in their own sections. The skeptic charge that this "alien" material was simply balloon debris is fully covered later in the article. AS soon as we start to introduce counter-arguments within the section that claims are being describedCanada Jack 00:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding counter-arguments to book sections, etc.

message: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0UP1OU9uQ2k&mode=related&search=
what is this?
::It's a film made in the 1990s by one Ray Santilli, who first claimed it was "genuine" footage shot in the 1940s. Go to the wikipedia article called Alien autopsy to learn more. Canada Jack 21:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video?

message: Wikipedia has no articles about Friedman, William Moore, Karl Pflock, Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt. I believe that we need some.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade11sayshello (talk • contribs) 20:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an article on Friedman. Canada Jack 15:02, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: These people

message: I've reverted a lot of material added about William Haut whose posthumous testimony regarding seeing aliens etc at Roswell appeared with the release of "Witness to Roswell" this past May or June. A lot of material was added to the opening sections which referred to this later testimony. But this testimony was referred to already in the "new developments" section where it appears within the "Witness to Roswell" subsection. I'm not sure this needs a new section on its own, or any added remarks to the previous sections, but let's hear a counter-argument to the need to include more. Canada Jack 20:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Make that WALTER Haut... d'oh!Canada Jack 14:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, some have seen fit to greatly expand the accounts which exist a) on the Witness  page and b) on Walter Haut's own page. And, again, I have chopped this down to the original size. Recall that Haut in fact already had discussed seeing aliens at Roswell, (see Haut's page for more) so this affidavit adds nothing new, except more specific detail. Canada Jack 16:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: William Haut testimony

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Hi Just Added A book by the USAF that was a very entertaining read.
Wow there is alot of information on this page...
jabbafett  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabbafett (talk • contribs) 23:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Source 

message: It's now been four weeks since Dr Fil, without engaging in ANY discussion as to his actions, slapped "dispute" and "factual accuracy" tags on this page. He may disagree with some of the reverts I did, but he has so far refused to engage in ANY discussion since he added these tags and he has supplied NO justification for his "factual inaccuracy" tag.
I am therefore removing the tags. Canada Jack (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Omit dispute tags

message: I am a bit tired here, so I shall make this quick...
   Has anybody realized the relationship between Nikola Teslas death and the dates of the Roswell incident(S)? 
Research the greatest inventor/ genius ever born and look at one of his biggest dreams... to create a craft that was propelled through the air by reactance to the earths magnetic feilds using high voltages. No wings, no motors, no propellors... No liqiud fuels. (Except for maybe water/glycol to cool off the tesla transformers.) 
   When he died in New York City in 1939? His hotel room was immediately raided and almost every, if not all of his sketches, ideas, and formulas along with certain gadgets were confiscated and labeled as classified. 
   This craft in Roswell, NM. was the U.S. Armys early attempts to understand and manipulate Teslas designs. Bodies were found, I am absolutely sure, but they were not your typical aliens. They were the deformed bodies of the test pilots who not only hit the earth at a large rate of speed, but also crashed this/ these crafts which were surrounded by millions of volts of electricity. This accounts for the deformities and the ashen colors of their flesh. 
   For six days, the U.S. Army made public these finds, calling them the remains of a U.F.O. if only to mis-lead the public of their real doings. Six days later, the Pentagon stepped in, putting a halt to the publicity, creating a wall of silence, thus, giving life to all of your conspiracy theories. 
   You cannot trust freedom when it is not in your hands...
   Nor can you understand the consequences of "true" freedom.
   Research Nikolas Teslas ideas and inventions and create a time-line. See how the numbers coincide.
Dec. 11, 2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.246.5.220 (talk) 02:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roswell VS. Nikola Tesla...