Talk:Triple Crown (baseball)

message: How can Mantle be the last person to win the Triple Crown when shortly after this, it says Carl Yaz won it in 1967?  Wikipedia is not fact!!!
Charts are a little confusing.  There's no way to distinguish a league winner from a Major's winner.
: I think I fixed that. Spartacus007 21:19, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed in Alexander's article; this article is correct. Fred Anderson won the ERA title in 1917 (see Baseball-Reference). — KV5 • Talk •  13:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Older, undated and unsigned comments

message: Some of these stats look old.  Baseball-Reference.com, for example, has Lajoie hitting .426 in 1901.  Older books may have wrong numbers for a variety of reasons, principly because statistics weren't comprehensively kept at the time.  SABR guys reading through old boxscores occasionally have to update stats, which I suspect is the case here.  If no one objects, I'll update the listed stats to be in line with either MLB.com or Baseball-Reference.com, which are the most reliable, up to date sources I have access to. WilyD 20:36, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Baseball-reference is not the official, sanctioned numbers approved of my MLB. The Elias Sports Bureau tabulates the official numbers, even if they are wrong. Officially, the numbers are as follows: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/awards/mlb_awards_content.jsp?content=tc_batting
Kingturtle 18:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated Stats

message: I just reverted a sequence of edits adding Johan Santana to the AL and ML pitching triple crown lists. While his position here is almost assured at this point--he is not scheduled to pitch again this season, and the only pitcher with a conceivable chance to pass him in any category (Brandon Webb, ERA) would have to pitch a 10-inning shutout in his last start--but let's wait until it's truly official. I'm a Twins fan and have already personally celebrated Santana's accomplishment, but it is too early to put it in an encyclopedia. =) N6 16:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree and just reverted the same thing. -Phoenixrod 04:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: In response specifically to 2 anonymous edits in recent days adding a parenthetical note to Johan Santana's mention in the body text, there is really no need for such a note. Even if we were to demarcate ties in the statistical tables, Santana hasn't won the Triple Crown except or although he tied in wins: he has won the Triple Crown, full stop. The tie in wins is no more relevant to this article than the fact that his team was bounced from the ALDS or the fact that he also led the AL in innings pitched. N6 16:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johan Santana 

message: Has there been any writing or theorizing that anyone knows of about why this has come about? For hitting that is. Thanks. W.C. 16:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way some people including me look at it is the growing distinction between power hitters and contact hitters. In early baseball, your power hitters tended to also be your best contact hitters, and therefore could lead in average and home runs. In modern baseball, power hitters hit for decent averages, but it is the speedy leadoff guys who will lead in the average. The exception being players like Barry Bonds, but he didn't play in enough games late in his career to rack up enough RBIs Trek222 (talk) 06:24, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes? — KV5 • Talk •  00:20, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Triple Crown Winner for Decades 

message: I think there is a somewhat misleading aspect to this article.  There is no award actually handed out for "winning" the triple crowd.  Many articles, Cy Young for example, make it appear as if the Triple Crown is an actual award.  This needs to be fixed.  Are there any suggestions on how to do this?  I would consider this a "interesting" fact or "notable achievement". //Tecmobowl 02:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is not an award 

message: I don't dispute that it probably exists, but I've never heard of it before, and I'm a life long baseball fan.  I just asked my dad and he hasn't heard of it either.  Is it a new thing?  Perhaps since the advent of sabremetrics?  You might want to make it clearer that the term generally refers to the hitting title. Or refer to the fact that the pitching crown is a relatively new innovation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.127.51.82 (talk • contribs) 28 October 2007
:No, it is not a new thing. It is a term that is at least 20 years old. Kingturtle 21:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, Kingturtle, although 20 years in baseball isn't actually that long, given the long tradition of the game. Maybe that's what our anonymous contributor was getting at. Terms like "relatively new" depend on one's perspective. -Phoenixrod 01:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I said 20 years because that's how far my memory goes. I don't have access to the sorts of newspaper and journal searches that could answer the question properly. It would be interesting to see when the term came into parlance. Kingturtle 21:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I added the citation. It is valid outside of Wikipedia. This is not something Wikipedia invented. Kingturtle (talk) 01:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard the term quite often. I rememeber discussions among the Yankees broadcasters in 1978 about whether Ron Guidry would win it (he came close, finishing 2nd in strikeouts to Nolan Ryan, 260-248), so it's been around for at least 30 years. It doesn't have a place in the greater American consciousness like the batting version does, but it is certainly known in baseball circles. -Dewelar (talk) 02:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pitching Triple Crown? 

message: Baseball Reference does not list Hugh Duffy as a Triple Crown winner.  Can we get a ruling on this?Thegooddogman (talk) 05:06, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hugh Duffy 

message: I went through and cleaned up the tables by making the entries standardized. Things were being linked in one place, but half way down the page, the link would be gone, only to reapeer later. Also changed the way the major league triple crown table is set up by adding a league column, and taking out the -AL or -NL that some teams had affixed to their name. All in all I think it made the article look more consistent. Trek222 (talk) 06:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formating 

message: Re "Major League Triple Crown", I was chastised (by Ed Fitzgerald) of vandalising this article with "added nonsense" because I corrected the entry stating that Carl Yastzremski was the most recent winner of the Major League Triple Crown in 1967 by correcting Yaz with Mickey Mantle in 1956. Wiki's own published list in this article states Mantle as the last MLTC winner but states in the notes that it was Yaz. Yaz was the most recent TC winner in 1967 but it was only the AL TC winner- he did not lead in all three catagories in BOTH leagues.--Dcrasno (talk) 01:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your both wrong it was Pedro Cerano, from the 1989 Cleveland Indians, Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughn won the Cy Young in the same year. LOOK IT UP.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.123.115.226 (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some changes to make it a bit clearer when a "major league" winner is being referred to and when a plain-vanilla winner is. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 04:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Major League" Triple Crown

message: I question the existence of this section within this article. First of all, I've been following baseball for over thirty years and have never heard this term. I found no reliable sources that use this term. What's the point of having it at all? If nothing else, it's confusing to the casual reader. -Dewelar (talk) 23:03, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add a citation. Kingturtle (talk) 01:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I still don't think it belongs in this article. SABR does a lot of analysis of random baseball stuff - that doesn't make all of it notable. -Dewelar (talk) 01:31, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Triple Crown losers?

message: I disagree with the recent mass table merge. The abbreviations aren't clarified anywhere, and I am really tired of seeing abbreviations of league names in tables where simple workarounds like section headers or writing the name out in full are easy and available. Although it's not a valid argument, I also just plain don't like it. I think the old way was much cleaner. I'm not just going to jump in and mass-revert all of Muboshgu's contributions, but I think this should have been discussed before this particular bold action due to the fact that this is a featured list. — KV5 • Talk •  00:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I figured odds were that somebody would disapprove, but per WP:BOLD went for it anyway. I didn't see a good reason to separate the leagues, especially as the AA only had one batter and pitcher each to win Triple Crowns, making little use of table sorting for comparisons. I'll add abbreviations, but if it's decided that it should go back, I won't argue. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:23, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table merge 

message: The St. Louis Cardinals have only 3, tied with the Red Sox. The article incorrectly says the St. Louis Cardinals used to be the St. Louis Browns. This is not true, the Browns were a separate teams playing side-by-side with the Cards in St. Louis.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.112.61 (talk) 02:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You are incorrect. There have been several incarnations of the St. Louis Brown Stockings/St. Louis Browns, the second of which is now the Cardinals National League franchise. The first incarnation was the original St. Louis Brown Stockings of the National Association, who played alongside the NA's St. Louis Red Stockings, from which the Cardinals derive their colors. Later, another Browns franchise played alongside the Cardinals before moving to Baltimore to become the Orioles. See St. Louis Browns (disambiguation) for the full list of related articles. — KV5 • Talk •  16:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cardinals do not have 4 

message: I think too much attention in this article is paid to the fact that Miguel Cabrera is not in the Hall of Fame (alternately, "one of only two offensive TC winners not in the HOF"). Of course he isn't, as an active player. This is patently obvious to any baseball fan (some other sports do enshrine still-active participants in their HOF) and the article makes it seem like Cabrera is the victim of some sort of injustice, which is not so. Doug Ewell 21:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miguel Cabrera not in Hall of Fame