Talk:Mentha pulegium

message: Since the Guatemala tribes claim made me initially suspicious (it has too much of the "those ignorant savages" attitude about it) and it seesm to have done the same for others, I've moved it to here for now:
: There have been confirmed reports of tribes in Guatemala being entirely unable to create a new generation of children due to the accidental usage of Pennyroyal in their cooking.
--Saforrest 14:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guatemala tribes claim 

message: Isn't the Pennyroyal region of Kentucky, mentioned in the last paragraph, most likely to have got its name from either Hedeoma pulegioides, the American False Pennyroyal, or Hedeoma hispida, Rough False Pennyroyal?
I say this because these two are definitely American species present in Kentucky,
:[Hedoema pulegioides distribution]
:[Hedoema hispida distribution]
whereas the Pennyroyal in this article is European, and although it has been introduced to the United States, Kentucky is not marked on the USDA website as being one of the states,
:[Introduced Mentha pulegium distribution].
If it is named after a Hedeoma rather than the Pennyroyal here, the comment should be on that page.
Thoughts? Bumper12 23:48, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have now moved the Kentucky statement to the Hedeoma pulegioides page, as the Pennyroyal region in Kentucky is named after that and not Mentha pulegium. Bumper12 00:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mentha pulegium or a [[Hedeoma]] in Pennyroyal, Kentucky?

message: As well as removing advice, I am moving the paragraphs about fleas, ants and spiders here, as there is no source:
:The oil is also used as a flea repellant for pets. This latter usage is the origin of the plant's Latin species name, the flea being Pulex irritans.  However the distantly related American Pennyroyal or Hedeoma pulegioides is the source of much of what is called pennyroyal oil. 
:Sprinkling the dried form of the herb is also known to repel spiders. The oil can also be used to deter ants.
--Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 11:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: According to the Homeric Hymn to Demeter, Demeter was given a drink called kukeon made from water, barley and pennyroyal by Metaneira.  It is thought consumption of this drink was part of the initation ritual for the Eleusinian Mysteries.  Worth adding perhaps? Thomaschina03 (talk) 12:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennyroyal in the Demeter Myth 

message: I was interested to know how the plant came to be named 'Pennyroyal', and could not find anything in the article.
AlternativeGuru (talk) 01:50, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology of 'Pennyroyal' 

message: This article was just moved from Pennyroyal to Mentha pulegium. While an improvement in some ways over the previous state (where two species were mentioned in the lead sentence, but a taxobox showed only one), there really is no content in the article which is clearly specific to M. pulegium. There isn't even a description of the plant. Confusion between the two species is deep-rooted. I can't see full text of all the references, but it appears that many of the medical reports don't give a scientific name for the plant, and at least one names the wrong plant (see  which is purportedly about M. pulegium, but describes it as having a range from Canada to Florida and as far west as Nebraska; this is a good description of the range of H. pulegioides, but not M. pulegium). Even if a scientific name were given in the medical literature, I'm not sure I'd trust it. Adulteration is common in the herbal products industry (especially when plants are easily confused); a label which states that a supplement contains M. pulegium is not necessarily accurate. Another source used in the article () shows a photo of a bottle of pennyroyal labeled Mentha pulegium; the product was manufactured in the United States. Did the manufacturer have a cultivated source of M. pulegium, or import it from Europe, or did they use the American species and mislabel it?
Confusion is so pervasive, that I think it makes more sense to have an article at Pennyroyal about both plants (focusing on uses and toxicity) and splitting off a stub article for Mentha pulegium. See Chamomile for a similar case where two plants are often confused.Plantdrew (talk) 16:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move back to Pennyroyal, split off a Mentha pulegium stub? 

message: I just reverted and then unreverted an IP editor's removal of the common name "squaw mint" from this article. I had initially thought that RS supported the name for M. pulegium in addition to H. pulegioides - however I think what's happening is the Wikipedia Ouroboros eating its tail again. Sources from the 20th century seem to exclusively use the name to apply only to H. pulegioides - which makes sense because it's a New World species and "squaw" is a dated reference to a Native American woman.  However in sources from the 2010s and later, it's common to see it applied to M. pulegium as well. These references are usually similar in phrasing to this article itself, which suggests they were originally cribbed from it. Without doing a long cyber sleuthing session, I'm guessing it was originally part of this article because it began its life as an article on "Pennyroyal" without disambiguation of the two species. On that basis, I think we should leave it out, barring a very clearly independent RS for the name (preferably pre-Wikipedia). Sauzer (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Common name "squaw mint"

message: To add to this article: mention of the Portuguese pennyroyal liqueur, licor de poejo. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:26, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: I've added a reference to the "has caused some deaths" in the first paragraph, but the phrase sounds extremely wishy-washy to me. Is there some other phrase we can use that sounds more, well, encyclopedic? -- Dan Griscom (talk) 01:36, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "has caused some deaths"?