Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Figure Skating

message: The respective discussions have been moved to archive 10 and 11. Please do not modify the framed section.
===Infobox===
New parameters
*: select between Men's singles, Women's singles, Pair skating, and Ice dance. If a skater has changed disciplines, they get listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.
*: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present with an en dash (not a hyphen).
*: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present.
*: highest career world standing, using the format 1st (2018–2019).
*: to be combined with new medal template  and module .
Important content changes
*: should only be included if different from birthplace.
*: the CURRENT coach or team gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only.
*: the CURRENT main skating club gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only, using the format "skating club, location".
*: only to be used for skaters who retired from skating ALTOGETHER, both competitive AND professional level, naming the year or official announcement date (e.g. "June 25, 2023" for Johnny Weir).
Obsolete parameters that will no longer be displayed
*: If the residence of a skater is notably different from the birth place or hometown, that information should be mentioned in the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*: Spouses should be mentioned in the "private life" section, supported by RELIABLE secondary sources (no tabloids).
*: to be merged into the  parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.
*: to be merged into the  parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.
*: to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*: to be added to program list, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*: to be merged into the  parameter, using the format "skating club, location".
* + : to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*Full world standing and season's best lists are no longer listed on a skater's biography page. Only the highest career world standing is mentioned in the infobox, using .
*ISU personal best scores are no longer listed in the infobox. They are added at the top of the detailed results section, using the template .
===Statistics sections===
*Programs: use the new template  and module .
*Competitive highlights: use the new template  and module . Remove regionals and sectionals from the competitive highlights. They can be mentioned in the prose if they are encyclopedically notable, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*Detailed results: use the new templates  and . Only add junior and senior results to detailed results tables.
Last edited by Henni147 (talk) 08:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Skater biographies latest changes – Mar 29, 2024

message: *Programs: use the new template  and module .
*Competitive highlights: use the new template  and module . Remove regionals and sectionals from the competitive highlights. They can be mentioned in the prose if they are encyclopedically notable, supported by reliable secondary sources.
*Detailed results: use the new templates  and . Only add junior and senior results to detailed results tables.
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Last edited by Henni147 (talk) 08:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics sections

message: Hi everyone!
I have been working on Hanyu's five new ice show articles lately. In the course of the page split, I have created two templates that might be valuable for other ice show articles as well:
*Infobox ice showI realized that the general infobox for events is not very suitable for ice shows, so I created one with parameters that fit our purpose better. You can find examples of its usage here: Gift, Repray Tour, Yuzuru Hanyu Notte Stellata.
*Navigation box ice showI compiled all ice shows with existing articles on EN-Wiki in one navigation box and added it at the bottom of each article. I sorted the shows by type, but feel free to make changes if you have better solutions.
Henni147 (talk) 18:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New templates for ice shows 

message: Yesterday, I realized how long and complicated the template's source code is if we sort the medals by discipline or represented country. My suggestion is the following simplification:
*Make the use of the parameters  and  in the  mandatory on all skaters' biographies. Country and discipline changes get listed there with exact years/seasons.
*Sort medals in the medal list by event only. The discipline is already listed next to each medal and country changes are noted in the infobox above.
:I believe these should still be sorted by country, but it's not necessary to specify the discipline since that is clearly notated off to the right of each medal. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I managed to find an economic solution to group the medals by represented countries. Sadly, it's not possible to collapse all medals together. They have have to be collapsed for each country separately. Is that okay? Henni147 (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks fine to me! Bgsu98 (Talk) 13:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on country or discipline changes

message: :For the full template documentation, see . Note that the previous template name "" can still be used as well.
I have edited the following pages today so as to incorporate the new format style with regards to pairs and dance teams:
*2024 U.S. Championships
*2024 World Championships
*2024 Four Continents Championships
Let me know how they look! Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! Now that I think about it ... "FS medalist" is not a very ideal template title, since it's also used for skaters and teams who didn't medal. Totally didn't think of that. Henni147 (talk) 08:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. 😂 Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

text: It's mainly a format issue. We should generally avoid using slashes when naming skaters if possible. Also, placing their names below each other keeps the tables more compact in width, which is essential for proper display on mobile devices and other narrow screens. Henni147 (talk) 06:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seeing ISU official results in Pairs and Ice Dance are using「 / 」not 「and」or alternate lines. It feels strangeness.Stevencocoboy (talk) 06:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The ISU uses various formatting styles that do not confine with Wikipedia's Manual of Style, so we have to make compromises. According to MOS:SLASH, spaced slashes should only be used for the separation of items "that include at least one internal space (the NY 31 east / NY 370 exit), where for some reason use of a slash is unavoidable". In our case, the use of a slash is avoidable, so we better omit it. Henni147 (talk) 07:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay it's my opinion. Thanks for your help. Stevencocoboy (talk) 07:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Personally, I don't mind using slashes, but I know how picky the reviewers for FA or FL class can be, and it would be bad if an article didn't pass the review because of something like this. I still remember what a big fuss they made about the formatting of the old detailed results tables. We had to change almost every table cell to get a pass for FL class. Henni147 (talk) 07:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the answer. Also your attitude are better than Bgsu98, honestly he only reverted and said that my edit was disruptive. It was unbelievable. Stevencocoboy (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I didn't know if templates allowed for redirects; I'm glad to see it does. Bgsu98 (Talk) 07:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Adaptation of the new "FS skater"-template

message: has made over a thousand changes to skaters' articles about programs, usually removing info and altering birthdates. Since some of the birthdates proved to be wrong and they are providing no edit summaries, I rolled back what I could, 722 edits in all. Perhaps some of them are good, but it's going to take a group effort to truly scrutinize all of their edits and clean up articles where I couldn't use rollback. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Goodness me. Thank you very much for noticing! I'm currently busy with the FS MOS and other tasks, but I can take a look later. Maybe someone else can check, too? Henni147 (talk) 08:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Their edits seem to have focused on using rowspan to combine cells where the choreography was repeated, which was perfectly valid and proper. None of the edits that I spot-checked showed any changes to birthdates. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked things over and it looked like they did both, combined cells and changed birthdates. Combining cells is inappropriate because although the content in them was repetitive, in most cases they were used across program types; i.e., this. It was quite an undertaking to revert, so thanks for taking care of most of it, Jasper. Wow, who would do something like that? And why? The IP has had other problematic behavior in the past, but they're currently blocked for 24 hours, which will hopefully stop it. Something to keep an eye on, for sure.  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  108.26.172.49 

message: I had made this world standings page a while back, but seems no one's filled it in. I certainly don't have the time to do so. Am placing the draft here in case someone would like to complete it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:2022%E2%80%9323_ISU_World_Standings_and_Season%27s_World_Ranking
Same goes for the latest 2023-24 rankings, I am guessing. Editor120918756 (talk) 07:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for preparing the draft! Sadly, I don't have the time to do it either, but I can ask around if someone is willing to help out :) Henni147 (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  2022–23 ISU World Standings and Season's World Ranking 

message: With some delay, I finally completed our new terminology guide for figure skating articles, accessible with the shortcut WP:FS TERM. To have some structure for easy navigation, I sorted the terms by topic as follows:
#General FS terms that do not really belong into any of the other categories
#Competition-related terms
#Judging systems and scoring-related terms
#Technical elements in singles and pairs
#Technical elements in ice dance
#Titles for figure skating programs
#Ice show-related terms
I listed the main sources at the top of the page and placed specific sources in the respective sections. I would be very happy if you took another look and added missing sources if you notice any. It took quite some time to compile everything, but I hope that it was worth the effort and helps at future article reviews :) I will tackle the main FS MOS next and update all the tables etc. Henni147 (talk) 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Henni147, wow the work you've done is impressive. I'm still waiting to get help with updating our template so I can start with A-class assessments. Once I get that, I'll move forward on my end. Thanks so much!  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you :) Is that template edit-protected? If not, I may be able to help with that. Henni147 (talk) 08:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Henni147 I believe that it is. See here for the discussion on the template's talk page. If you could help, that would be great. The person I asked is being kinda slow about it.  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's unfortunate because I have no user rights to edit protected templates. But I can take a look at the required changes this weekened and ask another editor in the case that the issue has not been resolved by Friday. Henni147 (talk) 16:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Completion of the new "[[WP:FS TERM|Wiki terminology guide]]" for figure skating articles 

message: has been deleting dozens of skater biographies and I don't think WP:PRODPATROL is well equipped to evaluate WP:NSKATE or handle the volume of proposed deletions involved here. If other project members are able to help review these, that would be appreciated. This list is probably the best place to monitor this activity. ~Kvng (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand by my work, although I do occasionally make mistakes. When I checked the ISU biography for Charlotte Clements, for example, it did not show her gold medals at the British Nationals. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:44, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biography deletions 

message: There are a number of articles listed for possible deletion here. Anyone is welcome to offer their opinions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for Deletion 

message: This may be bordering on WP:NOTFORUM, but I'll give it a try. I just finished watching the 2022 Olympics, spoiler-free, but could only find the full-broadcast YouTube editions without commentary. Unfortunately these don't include the graphics which display the abbreviated elements like "Lz", "Lo", etc. immediately after they are performed.
Not being an expert myself, I was left completely in the dark as to what jumps were being performed (except for the obvious Axel). Therefore after I finished watching the event, I was hoping to find detailed breakdowns of these elements on, say, Trusova's or Hanyu's articles, but found none; only the music they used.
Again, this is a bit WP:NOTFORUM, but as it pertains to a lack of information on a WP article, I don't think it's egregious to ask for a location where such info could be found, or if they could start being added to articles. Are there sources on the skaters' articles for this? Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If you follow the links to the sources available for each event, they should eventually lead you to the individual scoresheets for each skater. There are several competitions were sources have not been provided, which is inappropriate, and I try to remedy those when I encounter them. Please feel free to let us know which events are lacking the appropriate sources. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:40, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a great many sources on Figure skating at the 2022 Winter Olympics – Women's singles. Could you point me in the right direction for these scoresheets? I'll then hopefully be able do so for other events if I know what I'm looking for. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend going through SkatingScores.com. You can see the results for the 2022 Olympics here. You can click on the scores to see a breakdown and it should give you the information you're looking for. Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's perfect. Much appreciated! Would there be any scope to including such information in articles one day, perhaps using tables, or would that fall under WP:CRUFT? I'm just thinking, I might not be the only casual viewer who's had to watch without commentary (or audio), and following up on those performance details ultimately required quite a few clicks away from WP. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 18:19, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to provide links to SkatingScores on articles as both references and external links. SkatingScores provides links to our articles, so I feel like it's only fitting. I can't imagine including that amount of detail here. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:27, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed routines 

message: Hi all, and especially User:Figureskatingfan (cause you're an old hand at this): can you please have a look at this article and its recent history, to see if various edits are legit? If you can help improve the article with properly verified material that would be great. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Drmies. it looks like the editor has tried to emphasize Alves' acting and producing career over his figure skating career, thus breaking some policies and procedures and breaking some of the previous refs. It needs fixing, yes. It may take me a while to get to it, but I can work on it, but without doing any further research or adding any new content. The editor's behavior looks like they're engaging in paid editing, but there's no clear evidence of it because this is the only article they've worked on. They're at least very unexperienced and may just need some education about how to edit.  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

text: The removal of much of that material (skating scores, repertoires, etc.) was wholly inappropriate. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:04, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Christine (Figureskatingfan), that is my suspicion also. I appreciate your help and your expertise. User:Bgsu98, same--thanks for leaving a note and checking out that content. Drmies (talk) 17:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it when other people piss in my pool. ;) Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:15, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Bgsu98, me too. @Drmies, it would be completely appropriate if you reverted all those edits and added the content about Alves' career after skating.  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've restored the skating content that was deleted. I have no opinion as to whether the acting section should come first or not. I'm fine with the layout as is now, although the remaining skating tables will eventually need to be added. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kevin Alves]]