Talk:Al pastor

message: Substituted at 06:59, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The first place I ever had these delicious tacos was a food truck on Hoover and Olympic Blvds. in downtown Los Angeles. Since then I was spoiled and have never found them anywhere else. 2601:8C1:8400:50:718F:3204:4031:FD86 (talk) 21:22, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tacos al pastor 

message: It says “spit grilled”. ??? 174.255.131.99 (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Pastor meat 

message: I believe the Adobo (Adovo) sauce mentioned originated in Portugal as a way to both flavor and preserve meat (usually pork) even Pre-Colombian. In the new world it was added to smoked, red, Jalepenos. The pepper/adobo added to (usually) pork became Al Pastor in the new world. 2600:8800:7001:14B0:9DEB:7A51:89CE:A825 (talk) 21:54, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adobo 

message: It is very obvious that this is closely related to the German Döner Kebab, which is also invented by Turkish immigrants.
So I have to warn everyone, that some Turkish nationalists  (similar to their Greek or Italian equivalent) are often obsessed with genrally implying that everything was invented by them and only them, and will delete and attack everything that doesn’t agree with that. You can always bet on such comments under any video or article mentioning Döner. Reality though is, that Döner is a very distinct dish from the kebab spits they had in Turkey, as it is put in bread, and red cabbage is added, which is very much not a Turkish thing. In Turkey, they put the meat on a plate, added salad, and just had bread on the side (as is normal for all dishes in Turkey). In fact, my Turkish friends all attest that Döner Kebab was not known it Turkey for the first decades, and only got imported back. Yet Turkish nationalists in comments will claim it has always been invented first in Turkey and there’s no difference.
So it is likely that for this article, a similar thing did happen. (Claiming that it wasn’t actually inspired by the German dish.) And things, like especially dates (and ingredients), are to be checked. E.g. from what I know, tacos al pastor emerged quite some time after Döner Kebab became a thing, when it got expanded and adapted to other non-German non-Turkish cuisines and became a thing internationally. Either directly by Turkish immigrants from Germany, or even indirectly by them spreading it back to Turkey first and then to the world. Probably both. … Like when it became a thing in the UK and other countries too. (I got to personally observe it popping up in the UK, France, Belgium, Spain, etc, at least a decade after trying my first one in Germany. But know when the German-inspired one popped up in Turkey only from Turks.)
So I suspect the narrative about Lebanese immigrants to be inconsistent with those timings, and made-up, even in the sources, for those nationalist reasons.
Also, the spits with pork on it and putting it into bread are the Greek equivalent and called Gyros Pita. Calling blindly believing a story of pure Lebanese origins into question even more.
So… not necessarily wrong. But to be checked with hawk eyes, and non-scientific sources not to be trusted. Plus, ignoring the angry Turkish nationalists that will inevitably appear to beat everyone down who’s not following their convenient narrative. They do not represent Turkey nor Turks in general.
— 2A0A:A547:31BF:1:9566:70B:3FB8:F884 (talk) 10:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obvious link to Döner Kebab is missing