Talk:Networked learning

message: I don't think there is a real need to distinguish informal and formal networked learning. Networked learning goes on in both and in much the same way. The only thing that formal learning brings is an assessment and recognition process. I'm thinking to delete the references but point to other articles about formal and informal learning, and perhaps mention that NL is useful to enhance learning outcomes in both formal and informal settings...--Leighblackall (talk) 09:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that having the distinction between informal and formal networked learning would be beneficial.  It would emphasize the impact networked learning has in both modalities.  Perhaps explaining how networked learning goes on in both might clarify the two concepts, especially for those who didn’t know the amount of similarity.  Furthermore, I think having examples of informal and formal networked learning would be helpful. 300user (talk) 15:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think I agree now. Thanks for discussing this 300User. The new layout of the page is looking good, and the addition of a History section now opens it up for information about NL prior to its ICTs focus these days... I am having difficulty finding references prior to ICTs.. I might have to revert to the local library! ;) --Leighblackall (talk) 00:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal/formal

message: What does "..learning in which C&IT.." mean? Specificly, what does C&IT stand for? Is it different to ICTs? Why not use the full words or link to an explanation?--Leighblackall 22::09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
:The definition is in current use and it is one of the most widely referenced over the past 9 years. Opinions on the definition may vary but it should be represented as it is in circulation and supported by severla books and the conference series.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris R. Jones (talk • contribs) 16::06, 16 March 2011 (UTC) 
::Chris, I think a disclosure is in order from us both. If this Chris Jones is you, then you have some interest in asserting this definition be used. More so however, my own work is focusing on networked learning, where I do not limit the definition to the use of technology. Disclosures aside, I cannot verify (outside the UK) whether or not "The definition is in current use and it is one of the most widely referenced over the past 9 years" as you say. Since 2004 I have referenced predominately Illich (1971), Wenger (1991), Siemens (2005) and Downes (2004), who I don't think would agree that NL is necessarily mediated through ICTs. You may see this perspective on NL as an opinion deviating from the established norm however, so I'll have to dig further to try find citations that show otherwise, or begin working towards establishing it otherwise - perhaps by engaging with the NL conference. Certainly, the work in the UK and the conference should be included, its valuable, thanks for adding more information about it, it has opened a door for me to study through. Leighblackall (talk) 02::01, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:::You got the right Chris Jones Leigh and just like you I have an interest in the term. The Networked Learning Conference is not simply UK and it has been established in Europe for several years and it also has a presence through a variety of European projects and networks. The term is not for any one groups to own but the definition I provided is used in several published works and defines the NL Conference series so it has a solid basis. I have tried to base all my contributions on cited evidence. I will come back to edit the page but I hope we don't end up deleting each other's contributions. I want to include reference to Asynchronous Learning Networks as they are used in North America following Hiltz and Harrasim etc. and I have a different take on the historical timeline you have added. It would be good if you or someone working with you could conect with the NLC which has its next conference in Maastricht 2012. Chris R. Jones (talk) 15::27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I don't think I have deleted anything. Myself and others have been rearranging information, trying to tighten things up, make some things brief and expand on the history and models sections. Regarding the opening paragraphs, on 15 June an IP address in the USA tried to soften the technological determinant in the CSALT definition by inserting a Gilly Salmon reference above it. I notice you moved the CSALT definition back above Salmon however (links are just to help future reviewers).
::::These past few days, I have mostly been trying to develop the history some more, adding A Pattern Language to the 1970s, and salvaging some info from a recently deleted article on Wikipedia called Collaborative Networked Learning that was useful for the 1980s. 
::::Also, I understood the conference was international, or became that way, the experience we're having here, defining NL in Wikipedia might make an interesting paper there.. networked learning about networked learning and all. I'm in the process of writing one similar, called Networked Learning a Biomass Heat Transfer System if you're interested Leighblackall (talk) 12::31, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::The definition we use came out of a series of UK and European projects in the late 1980s and early 1990s. This is recorded in some detail in the introductory chapter in an edited book based on the last NLC due out this autumn. There is also a rich repository of papers available from the NL conferences as you probably know already (link on the main page0.
:::::Dirckinck-Holmfeld, L., Hodgson, V. and McConnell, D. (Eds) (2011). Exploring the Theory, Pedagogy and Practice of Networked Learning. NY : Springer
:::::The definition first appeared in a published form in the book I edited with Chris Steeples in 2002 but it had been in use for several years prior to that in a JISC funded UK project and to inform the 1998 and 2000 NL conferences. There have been discussions about alternatives and developments to the definition amongst the NL community but we agreed to stick with the original for several reasons.
:::::#It has been very robust and has wide acceptance. For a definition set out in the late 1990s it still has resonance.
:::::#It stabilises a community of practitioners and researchers. We can all agree on this despite its weaknesses and we are free to have our own variations and developments whilst still referencing back to the common source.
:::::#The link to networked computing allows the definition to have limits. Learning has always relied on social connections and connections with resources but it is not productive to include under the same banner internet mediated connections with these earlier forms. 
:::::I will also edit the history and introduction but I’m not sure in what order. This is linked to what I have said here. I want to make the 1970s and 1980s precursors of networked learning. This is factually accurate and helps balance the account. Currently the 1970s and 80s are overrepresented for a period when very few spoke in these terms. I will also build on the Alexander link as Peter Goodyear from Sydney University (an early proponent of NL at Lancaster University) has pursued this link to Pattern Languages in his work on educational design and design patterns. Chris R. Jones (talk) 08:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion continues at http://leighblackall.blogspot.com/2011/06/what-is-definition-of-networked.html Leighblackall (talk) 22:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: CSALT's definition a little faulty?

message: *The definition is problematic in that it begs for the definition of "the use of ICT". So if communication happens by talking to your colleagues it's not networked learning, but if you add a video-conference in between, then it is?
:Nevertheless, ICT is expanding the ways in which learning can happen, although even before computers people have used non-digital ICT to enhance their learning (granted the ICT may have consisted of paper, a quill, writing letters, but it's still 'information and communication technology').  
:Is it the Networked Learning definition that needs to more clearly articulate ICTs as being ALL technology that assists with conveying information and communication, or is it the linked ICTs entry itself? A quick look at the ICT entry reveals a mess, so perhaps NetLearning does need to be clearer and extend the definition into what is meant by ICTs. I added the ".. but not limited to.." in for now.
:Also, I think networked learning is about technology enabled communication and information. A conversation between people may well be a learning network, but I think there is a subtle but clear enough difference with the term networked learning. Or perhaps the very idea of a network has changed enough...
:*Thanks for your comments, I hope you don't mind me pasting them here - their conversational tone suggests that they are better placed in the discussion area - which I think is a very important part of any entry, but sadly under used in most articles.--Leighblackall 09:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Good article HISTORICAL EVOLUTION of ICT --Leighblackall 00:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Chris Jones, I'm reading the Google book scan of Advances in research on networked learning, Volume 7 By Peter Goodyear (2004) and have ordered a printed copy through my local library. The contents look to be  very useful for knowing research methods and networked learning practices in 2004. My question though is whether or not, to your knowledge, the definition used by CSALT and followers, has been challenged before? It has come up a few times in this Wikipedia project - the idea that NL is not limited to the use of ICTs, so I'm wondering if you've come across this question before in the research publications you read? Leighblackall (talk) 22:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * My notes on one of the Chapters in the book, Advances in research on networked learning, Volume 7 By Peter Goodyear (2004): Notes on Philippa Levy's methodological framework for practice-based research in networked learning Leighblackall (talk) 02:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Does it have to involve ICTs?

message: I'm new to Wikipedia and I entered the Concerns section as an anonymous user (142.150.221.38) by accident.  Sorry.  I added this section because I felt that there needed to be a contrary opinion to the uses of networked learning.  The study by Sammons et all (2007) pointed out there are very few studies to verify the claim of enhancing student learning with networked learning systems.  If there are any other studies to be found, I think it would be beneficial to add it on this article.300user (talk) 03:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree 300user, and adding this section will be very helpful to this an emerging field. My concern with the Concerns ;) is that it may tend to focus on NL's effectiveness in formal and traditional methods of education... but as you suggest, if we can gather more research - including stuff that looks at its effectiveness in informal learning, then we may help resolve my concerns with the Concerns. Thanks for joining in on this effort. --Leighblackall (talk) 00:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just reread this page after some time away and the Concerns section stands out to me as more info than is required. I tend to think that the information there at the moment is about as relavent as the other helpful information in the See Also and External Links sections.. I reckon it should be removed, with links to the research added in the External Links section... what do you think? --Leighblackall (talk) 06:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Section - Concerns

message: Thank you  for including the link to Collaborative Networked Learning about the early work in ghe 1980's.  Unfortunately, the deletionist at Wikipedia has decided to remove this entry.  Please feel free to include the concept and the content as it relates to the general issue of Networked Learning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Chuck (talk • contribs) 14:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * That's a shame Dr Chuck, I hope you brought content across to here. Our history section needs the 80s covered more Leighblackall (talk) 23:46, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also-- Collaborative Networked Learning 

message: In a Twitter message from rogre and leighblackall (rogre/status/82263124706725888) Rogre points to a blog post on Adventures in Free Schooling that talks briefly about the Illinois Learning Exchange of the 1970s. Will the post references John Holt's book Instead of Education (Sentient Publications, 2004 - 250 pages) it does not directly link to more information about the Learning Exchange. A web search of Learning Exchange reveals a number of initiatives with similar titles, such as the Teaching and Learning Exchange TaLE in NSW Australia, which appears to merely be an initiative of institutionalised learnings, directing people to institutions of education. It may however, have a different history in its beginnings.. worth investigating at least. Interestingly, there are a number of Learning Exchange community initiatives in a number cities and towns, but there is not yet a Wikipedia entry for this shared program of Learning Exchange.. Leighblackall (talk) 00:22, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Learning Exchange 

message: http://theoryandscience.icaap.org/content/vol4.1/01_powell.html
 
Habermas (1981, 44) defines communicative action as:
:‘… that form of social interaction in which the plans of action of different actors are co-ordinated through an exchange of communicative acts, that is, through a use of language orientated towards reaching understanding’.
Leighblackall (talk) 09:09, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Habermas 

message: :"The first of these, the old Saint-Simonian ‘cult of networks’, feeds the contemporary desire for a horizontality of social links. The 19th century was characterized by the building of many network infrastructures – telegraph, railway, electricity – and a corresponding egalitarian ideology. Applying the French Revolution ideology to an industrial ground, Saint-Simon, who was both engineer and philosopher, built a theory of the network as the best means to connect people and to strengthen citizenship (Musso, 2003)." Musso, P. (2003) Critique des réseaux. Paris: PUF in Rebillard, Franck & Touboul, Annelise. (2010). Promises unfulfilled? 'Journalism 2.0', user participation and editorial policy on newspaper websites. Media, Culture & Society Volume 32 Leighblackall (talk) 03:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  19th Century Networks Theory 

message: Manuel Castells talks about networks at a social level, n this talk referring to understandings of powerin networks: Network Theories of Power - Manuel Castells 
:"The sociological work of Prof. Manuel Castells Oliván synthesises empirical research literature with combinations of urban sociology, organization studies, internet studies, social movements, sociology of culture, and political economy. About the origins of the network society, he posits that changes to the network form of enterprise predate the electronic internet technologies (usually) associated with network organization forms (cf. Castells and Organization Theory)." Leighblackall (talk) 04:51, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Manuel Castells

message: Here's a review to a PhD Thesis by Maarten De Laat on Networked Learning http://www.elearning-reviews.org/topics/pedagogy/educational-principles/2006-de-laat-networked-learning/ Leighblackall (talk) 02:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I emailed Maarten, but he wasn't aware of the review. He did send a link to his PhD however. Leighblackall (talk) 03:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Maarten De Laat's PhD Thesis - Networked Learning

message: Does the School of the Air warrant a mention in Networked Learning? Especially if we consider the amateur radio clubs as well... Leighblackall (talk) 05:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: School of the Air

message: Similar to the above, Bonnie Nardi's work from 2000 may be worth referencing...? nice emphasis on the human network: http://firstmonday.org/article/view/741/650 
MJ1735 (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Bonnie Nardi

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