Talk:ǂʼAmkoe language

message: How are we suppose to know how to say this word? please add some help.--HalaTruth(ሀላካሕ) 01:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Follow the link at ǂ to get an idea. I don't know what you'd do for English; probably either ignore the click altogether, or substitute with /k/. — kwami (talk) 23:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: How do you say it

message: Says who? References needed for this, otherwise it looks like original research. 86.132.138.205 12:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "more accurately ǂQhôã" 

message: In the introduction, it says that this language has a Uvular click.
Unfortunately, it was discovered around the 1950s that, to make a click, the back of the tongue touches the velum to close the mouth off while making the click. Velar clicks, for this reason, are anatomically impossible. The uvula is even behind the velum, making it (if this were possible) even more impossible.  —Nay 3 March 2008
:If the tongue touches the velum, then that's a velar click. kwami (talk) 21:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But read what John Wells wrote about the velar click in his phonetic blog, recently. So I actually do agree with what Nay said above. Clicks naturally involve a second point of articulation, which is the velum, hence the common IPA practice of writing [kǃ] or [ɡǃ] (and so on) for the plain clicks. When I try to produce a "velar click", the outcome seems to be a velar implosive [ɠ] instead. — N-true (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I think I misunderstood everything. I totally overlooked that the second articulation for clicks can also be uvular. — N-true (talk) 22:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I remember that symbol. Hopefully the click article is clearer about what a 'velar/uvular click' means. If not, we need to clean it up. (Precisely for the reasons Wells gives, no-one uses the phrase 'velar click' to mean what turned k was supposed to represent.) kwami (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: If I understood well, the clicks themselves aren't uvular but the sounds that accompany them. But even so, sounds like [qǀχ] are very hard to pronounce. I tried and still have a sore uvula. By the way, [ˀŋʘ] sounds a lot like you're kissing. Nice language, really :-). Steinbach (fka Caesarion) 09:50, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sound that accompanies it is the click. You can't have a click without at least two places of articulation. If Nǀu is representative of southern Africa, [ǀ] is a uvular click, and [ǀq] is a uvular click-plosive contour. kwami (talk) 20:55, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uvular click? 

message: This article needs audio recordings of the language.  Hurry-  the language will be extinct soon, and Wikipaedia will survive forever.
-128.61.124.56 (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recordings? 

message: C's like !Xoo except lacking pre-voicing, + areal features such as dental --> palatal
:labial 		p b m w
:palato-alveolar	ts dz tsh ts' tsx s r (= l/__V+high)
:		+ tc dj tch tc' tcx tcx' l
:palatal		ky gy kyh ky' kyx c ɲ y
:velar		k g kh (k') kx' x
:uvular		q qh q' nG
:glottal		' h
:p mostly loans, b & m rare as initials
:palatals from dentals; Tshila dialect still has dentals. shift of t, d to palatal is an areal feature. said to be stops in Traill (1980).
:of nasals, 2 init but only m finally
:palatal c much more common than pal-alv. s
:exact places of artic not known
:"the initial aspirate (meaning /h/? follows enumeration of glottal h & ') is frequently absorbed into the vowel"
:clicks: Gruber has 13 series, !k !g n!g '!n n!n !x !x' !q !qh !q' n!q (= N!G?) !h !'
:Bell & Collins (2001) note asp is really a 3-way contrast: velar (simul. !h), uvular (delayed !qh), & (prenasalized) delayed, similar to |Gui. & suggest n!g is really allophone of !G
Vowels a e i o u, modal, breathy, laryngealized, and pharyngealized. all may be nasal (d this mean all modal, or all all?) 
Cannonical CVCV roots, where C2 may only be b, m, r, n. V1 is normally a or o; o --> u before high V2; a --> e or i if C1 is dental or palatal or if V2 is high (a quirk borrowed from |Gui?)
per Gruber (1973), there are five stem (word) tones, level high, mid, low, bottom & low rising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwamikagami (talk • contribs) 
:Honken (2013) is the definitive list, which I've inserted in the article.  --Taivo (talk) 14:09, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Honken (2013), which is what the notes above are from, is from the late 1990s, before Collins did his work, and is based on Gruber (1973). I don't have access to Collins & Gruber (2013), but that would be worth looking at. — kwami (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  consonant notes 

message: The content presented here bases on old unpublished sources containing data that have been revised already! 194.94.96.194 (talk) 08:25, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, it's the best we have.  Do you have access to a more recent analysis?  Is anything more recent published?  I'd love for someone who knows what they're doing to revise this article.  I consider it a linguistic priority and have been frustrated by how little info I can dig up on it.  — kwami (talk) 17:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted your 'disputed' tag.  If you're too lazy to bother saying what you dispute, then the tag is useless.  Come on, this is getting ridiculous.  — kwami (talk) 17:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Can someone please fix the error message in the references section? ("Cite error: The named reference Collins_2013 was invoked but never defined"). FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 00:18, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing citation 

message: Need to double check whether it was =Hoan or N!aqriaxe that shifted tX, tqX' to cX, cqX'. (Looks like I might've got it backwards.) Also, are !qx' and !q' truly collapsed in Sasi? That is the implication. — kwami (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fix templates