Talk:Sailor Moon/Archive 5

message: I put the title of the Anime(S) and Manga in the space in the box. I Put Sailor Moon for the anime because i also listed The unique name each series. (I put them in parentheses and Shorted Sailor Moon to SM in that part: SM, SM:R, SM:S, SM:SuperS, SM:Stars)Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. I added 'Pretty Soldier' to the anime title. --Masamage 21:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: This page is in a lot more categories than :Category:Sailor Moon is. Shouldn't we be doing most of our sorting using the category itself, rather than just this page? --Masamage 21:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn means Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon? Of course not. "Senshi" means "warrior," and "bishōjo" means "beautiful young girl, and Bishōjo Senshi Sērā Mūn means Beautiful Young Girl Warrior Sailor Moon. --PJ Pete
:Please add new sections at the bottom. You may note that the article says "officially translated as," because English words printed on the original Japanese books use the "Pretty Soldier" term. Here is an example. --Masamage 01:21, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that in Japanese, despite what one book on the market says, senshi can also mean soldier, as per Jeffrey's Dictionary... but the strongest argument comes from Takeuchi's use herself. Bishoujo is also not translated incorrectly, since many people point to someone and say "they are bishoujo" meaning they are pretty. In this case it's gender sensitive, but English has equivalents, such as "pretty" v. "handsome" or "hot chic" v. "hunk" so "pretty" is not an unreasonable translation. I can definitively explain why the title is like that in terms of more linguistics... but shouldn't really matter. The point is that the translation is perfectly acceptable as long as you know Japanese.--Hitsuji Kinno 04:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just pointing out that Sailor Moon is not part of the Bishoujo genre, the Bishoujo genre is is aimed at adult males whereas the Shoujo genre is aimed at young girls. --GracieLizzie 14:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd disagree with that statement... primarily aimed at Teenage boys, primarily showing up in video games. The majority of adult males in Japan do not have time to watch a vast amount of anime. However, teenage boys do. This is because Japan still has the standard of the Japanese adult male going out and making money, usually waking up at 5:00 am and coming back at say 3:00 am and not seeing his family, thus there aren't actually a lot of male-based anime and more male-based manga because they can read it on the bus and trains... but even so adult male-based manga are rarer than Josei manga, since the common adult Japanese woman would have time to view and read such manga in her spare time. This is heavily reflected in the general media as well. Note that the bishoujo article seems to have some running inaccuracies too on Wikipedia. Many boys found Sailor Moon appealing because it had bishoujo in it. But the point was more on linguistics, not genre type. --Hitsuji Kinno 16:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I should have said teenage, by adult I meant 15-24 year olds. --GracieLizzie 17:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

text: First of all, the adjective of "bishōjo" only applies to girls, so it's pretty redundant to say "beautiful girl soldier" every time the word is used in conjunction with the word "senshi".  Just basing it off that word, we know they are girls.  To eliminate any further confusion, a similar word is used for boys.  So let's say that Tuxedo Mask was the central character, then maybe the title would instead be called: Bishōnen Senshi Takishīdo Kamen".  See?  "Bishōjo" applies to girls and "bishōnen" applies to boys.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right. The word "bishoujo" definitely carries a connotation of femininity, but so does the word "beautiful" in English, so we don't need to point out the connotation (as we might with, say, attractive). Furthermore, "bishoujo" also indicates youth, as you say; luckily, so does the word "pretty." You probably wouldn't call the Queen of England "pretty"--it feels like talking down to her. So you're right about all the meanings inherent in the use of "bishoujo," but since those same meanings are also inherent in "pretty," we don't need to worry about it. --Masamage 20:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only time Senshi does not mean soldier within the Sailor Moon Universe is the Live action version, where it means Guardian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 18:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: I think the page needs locked again (Lot vadalism in the last hour) Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 03:16, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was all by the same person. No lock is needed. --Masamage 22:14, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lock 

message: Some Anon added Romance (And change Majo Shojo to Magical Girl (I changed that part back) does it really fall under this category? --01:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's definitely a romance anime. It's even in that Category, and has been for ages. I'm reverting back to Magical Girl, because I think that was a good move; there's an unambiguous English translation, and most WP visitors don't know Japanese. --Masamage 01:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Well... They shouldn't. X) --Masamage 20:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Romance

message: I'm not sure where this goes: http://www.space.com/searchforlife/060323_seti_biomes.html
"This is not quite as plentiful as the ancient Greeks believed – after all, they assumed that everything they could see in the sky was populated, including the stars"
I believe that this can be directly correlated as to why there were civiliazations on all the other planets in the manga... or should it be rejected?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitsuji Kinno (talk • contribs) 06:02, 18 December 2006
:It's awesome, but unless we know Naoko knew about it, I don't think we can use it. There are a lot of other reasons to write a story where every planet is populated. Like "because it's cool". :) --Masamage 18:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference?

message: I just remberbed that we were talking about Uploading a Clip of MoonLight Densetsu. Well Found a Site with full tracks of TONS of SM songs (It seems to be run by Manga Style based on the layout) http://www.sailormusic.net/. Problem is, all their tracks are in OGG format! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 January 2007
:And since they're full tracks, we can't upload them here without violating copyright.  Sorry. --  Denelson83  04:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's run by the same woman who runs Manga Style!. As to the clip, I think Malkinann was on that project; he'll be back on WP on the 16th. --Masamage 05:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What?  I thought Manga Style's webmaster was male. --  Denelson83  08:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She appears to be named Michelle Bacon. --Masamage 21:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Proof? --  Denelson83  22:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a part of the forums (and contributor to the site); I know for a fact that she's female.   -- RattleMan 22:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That and her email address is michelle at michellebacon dot net. >__> --Masamage 22:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, but Malkinann did ask for the task; no reason to undercut him now. If you want to do it yourself or think it needs doing faster, write to his talk page. --Masamage 22:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Back - I'm pretty close to giving up on clipping the theme tune to suit - bloody Audacity is hard to learn!!!  X_X  Anyone that wants to give it a go, please feel free.  Sorry about that.  The requirements are pretty stringent - the resultant file has to be an .ogg of less than some small percentage in length, and it has to be set on the lowest bitrate.  - Malkinann 20:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that sounds way beyond the limits of Sound Recorder. My brother is good with this stuff; I'll ask him about it. --Masamage 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See now, my big bro is also good with this stuff, but he's not too keen on helping his little sister learn stuff about this...  he just likes to rave about it to me.  ;P - Malkinann 23:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  I have all the different version of Moonlight Densetsu and I can convert it to any format needed. If you want me to send it to someone, let me know. Even if you just want the TV SIZE version I can do that too. Fighter4luv 07:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: could you send me the one from the last episode but the full song for my mp3? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 16:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please talk about non-encyclopedia file-sharing somewhere else. >_> --Masamage 18:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moonlight Densetsu AGAIN 

message: What's with the adamant argument about how the story arcs aren't "seasons", they're "series"? To me, a American English speaker, seasons seems more appropriate; "series" refers to, for example, the entire Sailor Moon anime series, or the PGSM series. Anyway, it's odd and I would just like to know if anybody else feels the same way. This might turn into one of those stupidest arguments ever, because really it's just semantics, but I'm curious. Freesonwang 01:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Citation: .  And besides, all five series together are called a metaseries. --  Denelson83  02:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the reason they're called 'Series' is that they were released much more separately than the typical "seasons" of an American TV show. You can't tell that by watching or comparing date stamps, but it's something about how they were produced. From what I understand, Japanese TV shows don't really do seasons at all. In any case, since they so closely resemble US seasons it's not a huge issue; you're right that semantics is all. :) --Masamage 02:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Japanese TV seasons are closer in run length to British shows than they are American ones, IMHO.  Moreover, SM season lengths were nonstandard: 46, 42, 37, 38, and 33 episodes respectively, rather than multiples of 13 or 6 as might be expected.  The other problem is the multiple story arcs and subplots within some seasons.  Therefore, I think "series" allows for a broader definition than "season" does. MSJapan 06:30, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season? Series? 

message: many music collections including live-drama CD's, were released for the Sailor Moon series, however none are mention at all in the Sailor Moon article. Sailor Moon also released many singles, which are not mention at all. There should be a music section which will then be exapanded to the many album releases created, how well they did in the charts and so forth. Adreamtonight 10:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First we need to find out if that music is notable in and of itself--won awards, topped the charts, that sort of thing. If it is, this would be new article material. --Masamage 16:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the music itself has to be notable, because it is part of something else that is notable.  I would say that a discography section would be a good idea. MSJapan 17:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I mean is, if it's not notable on its own, it has to be all smushed into this article, which is already pretty huge. So I hope it can stand alone so that we can cover it properly without worrying about space constraint. A discography would be absolutely enormous. Check out  the CD list to see what I mean--and that doesn't even have the twelve PGSM albums. I think, if anything, we should just link to those website rather than trying to reproduce them. o_O --Masamage 18:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: I've been giving the significance of the dub some thought. This article is supposed to be the hub-point from which people branch off to learn more in-depth information about the series. It should be the most reader-friendly article in our entire scope, and should make the fewest assumptions about the knowledge people are coming here with.
Like it or not, the fact is that most of the English-speaking world only knows about Sailor Moon because of the DiC dub. A lot of people are going to come here who have never heard the words 'Senshi', 'Kamen', or 'Usagi' in their lives. We have already included a note of the term 'Scout', and we use the title 'Tuxedo Mask'; it seems weird that there's no mention of 'Serena'. I think it's important that we acknowledge the experience of readers who know nothing about the original Japanese version of the series, and who are perhaps coming here to learn about it. For that reason, I would like to add brief mentions of the characers' dub names to our little list. I don't think this will probably be controversial, given the reasons above, so I'm going to go ahead with it--but as always, please revert and discuss if you have a major issue with this addition. --Masamage 05:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Argh, I suppose it is necessary, but I don't like it. I'd like to point out that many fans (such as myself) managed to get the original Japanese eps with English subs, so we are really familiar with the original japanese names. I've never seen the dub. English Sailor Moon fans existed long before DiC decided to dub and show the series. I'm just saying (begging), please give priority to japanese names (dub names in brackets). I've seen in other SM articles the dub names sans japanese original, and had no idea who they meant. :) Cheers Raystorm 15:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, we've always given (and will always give) the Japanese names higher precedence. What articles do we not do that in? 'Cause they need fixing. :P --Masamage 18:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dub names 

message: I was looking around at all the sailormoon wiki pages and noticed no one has added the information regarding the three talismans and how they match the three sacred treasures of Japan: the Sword of the Emperor, the Yasakani Jewel, and the Yata Mirror. Some info about them can be found here: Order of the Sacred Treasure -- NatsukiGirl\talk 20:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, I forgot about that connection. Talisman (Sailor Moon) is definitely the spot. --Masamage 20:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Order of Sacred Treasure: mirror, sword, and jewel

message: I finally found a solid-looking source for the lapse of Sailor Moon licenses in North America. Could some else please take a look and see if you agree? One of the things I like about it is that when something isn't known for sure, it says so very clearly. Couldn't hurt to find a second source and back it up, but I think it should be mostly sufficient to cover our needs for that fact. Which means this page will finally be fully-cited! Yahoo! --Masamage 23:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanwhile, I would like to nominate this article for a peer review. Anyone object? --Masamage 00:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It means we'll get people to look for flaws. If it comes out okay, we'll put it up for Good Article review. If that comes out okay, then we'll work it up some more and apply for FA status. --Masamage 19:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source on lapsed licenses 

message: We need a source for the logos. "I found it on Google" doesn't cut it and may interfere with a GA nomination. If we can't figure out where they came from they should be replaced with copies whose sources are known. --Masamage 18:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about I found it on Ebay? -Malkinann 11:41, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos 

message: I lengthened the character descriptions as suggested in peer review, but because we have so many characters listed, that section is now some two screens long. What to do? --Masamage 22:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: should we only list inners and have the outers on the sailor moon Super arc when we make it?? ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 22:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the S page would be too out-of-the-way for something so important. Maybe we should finally make a "List of Sailor Moon characters" page. --Masamage 22:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would somthing like this be a good starting point ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 22:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I worked up a pretty thorough one here a while back. --Masamage 23:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Something like that, yeah. What I'm really flumoxed about is what to do with the characters who are already in a list. The bios of people like Naru are too long to merge into that list, but too short to be their own articles, so we get this awkward two-list structure. --Masamage 23:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: could we cut stuff from there Bio mabye just to fit in mabye? ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 23:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but it doesn't solve the fact that having two lists is unweildy and weird. --Masamage 23:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm I racking my brain trying to think of a way (but im not that smart) ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 23:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if other anime articles have had and solved this problem... --Masamage 23:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked DBZ and they have lodes so mabye its not posseble to get them all on one list ♥Eternal Pink-Ready to fight for love and grace♥ 00:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters section