Talk:O, The Oprah Magazine

message: The neutrality of this article is compromised by placing undue weight on an excerpt from a biased article. There is no explanation behind the excerpt, there's no context provided, and provides no additional information to the article beyond one person's opinion of the magazine. Jennifer Simon is not notable, and there's no explanation as to why an excerpt from Nerve, likely a competing product, adds value or information. Two separate editors have found the excerpt to lack a neutral point of view and to provide no redeemable value being in the article,  but those edits were reverted without explanation. If you'd like to discuss how we can make this part of the article fit within the standards of Wikipedia, please do it here and do not revert until there is a consensus reached. GregChant (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that we all agree that good articles should present criticisms of the topic, it is simply absurd to expect a criticism or a reaction to be neutral. Furthermore, Wikipedia's policy on neutral point of view gets misinterpreted to mean neutral to all sides of an issue. In actuality, we only represent viewpoints published by sources and in proportion to the number of reliable sources that express this view. If the majority of sources on a topic are critically positive or negative, then Wikipedia should accurately reflect this viewpoint. That being said, I will work on making giving Jennifer Simon less weight by paraphrasing her (instead of quoting her) and including reactions from other critics whether they are positive or negative. --Loremaster (talk) 20:07, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

text: O: The Oprah Magazine is not a biographical article about Ophrah Winfrey. It is an article about Oprah's magazine. Nerve (website) is a reliable enough source for a section dedicated to different public reactions to Oprah's magazine. If this section was expanded to include more positive reactions, I doubt anyone would complain about Jennifer Simon's criticism. So instead of engaging in an edit war, can we all simply collaborate on expanding the Reactions section of the article? --Loremaster (talk) 23:59, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

text: I've finally restored balance to the Reactions section by mentioning of the many positive opinions expressed by Noreen O'Leary in her article. Is everyone happy now? --Loremaster (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excerpt from [[Nerve (website)|Nerve]] Magazine 

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:"First I should tell you that when I worked for Oprah Winfrey -- I was consulting executive editor on the launch of her magazine, which debuted 10 years ago -- I signed a non-disclosure agreement. Everybody who works for Oprah does. But since it was widely reported (accurately) at the time that the magazine's launch was, uh, difficult -- Oprah and her publishing partner, Hearst, had very different ideas about the platonic ideal of a mass-market women's magazine -- I'm not violating my NDA in restating that common knowledge here. 
:That said, because I don't want Oprah's goons (as David Letterman used to call her people) to come after me, I should probably not tell you that Oprah herself was a delight: a charming, funny, sensitive, straight-shooter of a boss. (One of the best bosses or consulting clients I've ever had, actually.) And because of my NDA, I can neither confirm nor deny that after we shipped the first issue of O: The Oprah Magazine to the printer, Oprah, worried about her stressed-out staff, flew all of us down to Miami on a private jet. I can neither confirm nor deny that she put everybody -- including the magazine's intern -- up at a fancy hotel, where hand-written thank-you notes from Oprah awaited each of us in our rooms. I can neither confirm nor deny that she threw a dinner party for us at her home (at the time Oprah had a sprawling condo on Fisher Island, a private enclave just off the coast of Miami). I can neither confirm nor deny that..."
Source: "Who really killed media? Craig 'Craigslist' Newmark? Jimmy 'Wikipedia' Wales? Oprah?" by Simon Dumenco, Advertising Age, vol. 81 issue 18 (May 3, 2010), page 106
Ottre 15:04, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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