Talk:Liberty Island

message: Liberty Island is considered to be in the waters of New Jersey.
DigiBullet 20:34, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Waters of NJ 

message: I decided that extended details on the territorial relationships between Liberty Island and NY and NJ belongs here (rather than in Statue of Liberty), and that consequently details on the question of whether the island is "in" NJ also belongs here.
I tweaked the opening paragraphs to group facts about the names by which the island is known. In the process, I changed the language
:Although the island is usually associated with New York, it is actually closer to the New Jersey side of New York Harbor, separted from the infill of Liberty State Park in Jersey City, by less than one-half mile (1 km), well within the New Jersey side of the border.
to read
:Liberty Island is 2000 feet (600 meters) from Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey. By comparison it is 1-5/8 statute miles (2.6 kilometers) from Battery Park in Manhattan. Although it is not a part of New Jersey, it is situated on the New Jersey side of the boundary line between New Jersey and New York.
I wanted an explicit statement that it is "not a part of New Jersey," so that its location relative to the boundary line could not be taken to imply that it is legally part of New Jersey. 
I then added a section on "relationship to New York and New Jersey" which contains a hedged, weaselly suggestion that perhaps it is "geographically" part of New Jersey.
I tried to clearly acknowledge the undisputed facts which are important to JerseyDevil, while still making clear that legally the (dry part of) the island is part of New York. Specifically, I say that
:Perhaps a case can be made for language to the effect that Liberty Island is "geographically" within New Jersey's borders. But New Jersey has never claimed any legal rights to the dry land of Liberty Island.
The reason why I saw "perhaps" is that, simply, I really have no idea what it means to say that Liberty Island is "geographically" within New Jersey's borders. If the phrase "geographically within" actually has a well-understood meaning, and if someone who isn't a New Jersey booster and understands geography better than I do can says that it's true that Liberty Island is "geographically within" New Jersey, I'd be willing to accept it, but for now I feel happier weaseling. Dpbsmith (talk) 22:40, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tweaks and a new section

message: When I was a kid (we're talking Carter Administration era) I remember learning about a handful of families that lived on Liberty Island. (I think it was on TV once and maybe also in a magazine like Junior Scholastic.) I don't remember why people were living on the island, but in hindsight I assume the parents worked for the National Park Service. Anyone know more about this, or whether anyonestill lives there? In any case it might warrant mentioning in the article. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 08:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residents? 

message: Can we have a map showing where exactly this is located?  Badagnani 16:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: From Ellis Island article: "The Statue of Liberty ... is actually on nearby Liberty Island, which is about 1/2 mile to the South."
From Liberty Island article: "It is separated from nearby Ellis Island by approximately 1 mi (1.6 km)."
So what is the actual location of these 2 islands, and the distance separating them?  Maybe somebody fluent with GPS or Google Maps or TerraServer could find an accurate distance? T-bonham 07:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct Location?

message: On the location of Liberty Island, it might be of interest to note that Jersey City has assigned a block number to Liberty Island, 2156, as well as Ellis Island, 2155 - with the latter having the NYS area clearly marked.  reference: map 12.12, page 347 of "Realty Atlas - Hudson County New Jersey" 2004, First American Real Estate Solutions.
:That's interesting. IMHO you should add it to the article, as a relevant fact. Please don't phrase it in a way that suggests that it proves anything or settles the issue; I think the fact can stand by itself, allowing readers to deduce what they will. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Got any quotations speaking to this? Is it clear that they were arguing about the actual land of Liberty Island and not just riparian rights? Dpbsmith (talk) 01:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberty Island and Jersey City 

message: 59,000 sqare meters?  That's 59 kilometers!  There's no way this little tiny island takes up anywhere near that amount of space! Andy Johnston (talk) 14:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's 0.59 square kilometers (1 kilometer = 1000 meters, 1 square kilometer = 1,000,000 square meters (1000 meters * 1000 meters = 1 kilometer * 1 kilometer = 1 square kilometer))79.198.70.73 (talk) 21:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 59,000!

message: Please discuss here. Dpbsmith (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Liberty Island part of New York City?

message: Didn't Al Sharpton want to change the name to Martin Luther King Island at one time?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.215.199.207 (talk) 21:05, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I'm not sure exactly what you two have done, but at the top of my browser, I see two overlapping sets of coordinates. Could you decide on one map? Personally I like the File:USA New York City location map.svg specifically because it appears to show Liberty and Ellis Islands as outside the Manhattan administration area, and gives a good idea of location relative to the major features, unlike either state map. Neither state map turns me on so much for this pagespace, though I can see why the NY state map is appropriate for the Statue of Liberty pagespace (and please don't take your disagreement over there). Please consider finding a solution which solves this problem. BusterD (talk) 13:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the multiple infoboxes with coordinates. We should look at how other pages have solved this issue...  BusterD (talk) 14:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

text: I'm looking at that now, I'm not sure how to fix this problem...perhaps there's a way to merge the two info-boxes together so both maps are running off the same sets of coordinates? Or perhaps we can remove the map from the 2nd info-box and only leave the NRHP info? 69.132.221.35 (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, using the info-box from the Statue of Liberty article as a base I've got one info-box with both boxes worth of info.  I have no idea, however, how to add in another map elsewhere on the page without it causing the coordinates to double again so for now I've left it with the original info-box's map of NYC.  If either of you know how to do it feel free. :) 69.132.221.35 (talk) 19:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple maps with coordinates 

message: The article has been listed, though this process doesn't always net results, or can take some time. Being sustantially rewritten it would be good to bring it through the mill for grammar, punc, readability, etc. References could use better formatting, access dates updated, perhaps a google map added. Let's see if there's a responseDjflem (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests for feedback]] 

message: Is one the added part of the other? Is one the old name for the other? Are they just two names for the one Island? This sould be made clear, including which is which. şṗøʀĸşṗøʀĸ: τᴀʟĸ
 To your undated question, I answer that those are two separate islands. In more recent times they are jointly administered as a US National Monument. Recent means that Ellis Island is no longer a port of entry for ships. It is a national monument marking the brief era when it was the place where many ships docked, and were carrying immigrants who settled in New York or other parts of the US, coming from Europe. - - 20:56, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellis Island and Liberty Island  

message: The following coordinate fixes are needed for Liberty Island. The marker needs to be at 40°41'23.18"N 74° 2'44.49"W
—76.105.145.143 (talk) 08:29, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: . The coordinates currently in the article are fine; in Bing and Google maps, for instance, the marker appears roughly in the center of the island, and further precision for a feature of this size is not necessary. (See Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates#Precision. Giving seconds of a degree to two decimal places, as you suggest, would be specifying a location down to about 25 centimeters—inappropriate for an island that's a few hundred meters in length and width.) Deor (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: Not sure how the new map is an improvement for the general reader who might know where the Atlantic Ocean is on the old map, but has little to refer to in the new map and does not care about the NY-NJ conflict - yet knows it is in NY and sees no map that looks much like NY.--JimWae (talk) 00:33, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  New map 

message: The article states "In 1746, Archibald Kennedy (later 11th Earl of Cassilis) purchased the island and a summer residence was established." - I know that this is a quote from the source at http://www.nps.gov/stli/historyculture/liberty-island-a-chronology.htm but I think they have the wrong Archibald Kennedy (who we will call Kennedy Jr). There's no firm date for his birth but it is listed generally as at or before 1736. I would doubt that 1736 is more than 10 years after his birth and so the purchase of a property by this man in 1746 seems unlikely. I strongly suspect, but cannot prove, that the purchase was actually made by his father (Archibald Kennedy Sr) who was on the City Council and a collector of customs. The former house at 1 Broadway is associated with Kennedy Jr, and although some sites say it, or the lot on which it was built, was purchased in 1745/6 (which would suggest someone of an age to purchase the island too) it actually appears to have been acquired by Kennedy Jr in 1756. Of course this is a minor point. But someone may wish to do further research for accuracy's sake. 87.81.244.252 (talk) 01:09, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archibald Kennedy 

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message: How is "Liberty Island" in :Category:Place names of Dutch origin in New York, as  on May 10? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:31, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Place names of Dutch origin

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message: "Two ferry slips are located at the southwestern side of Liberty Island." - when I look at the map, I see one in the East, one in the West, one (unused?) in the North, but none in SW 47.71.13.57 (talk) 07:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  ferry slips? 

message: I am removing the categories relating to New Jersey and Hudson County, since the article makes it very clear that Liberty Island is neither in New Jersey in general nor Hudson County specifically.  I am leaving the categories such as "New Jersey Register of Historic Places" that refer to Liberty and Ellis Island together. SixFourThree (talk) 17:24, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we work toward a consensus on this, so we don't end up in an edit war? Djflem? SixFourThree (talk) 18:22, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored categories that are relevant. Liberty Island is very pertinent to the physical geography of both Jersey City and Hudson County, since the island is indeed within them. The political geography is such that it is an exclave of Manhattan within Jersey City, Hudson County, creating a political border. The NRHP nomination for Statue of Liberty National Monument, and Liberty Island, and Ellis Island was made in Hudson County, New Jersey. Djflem (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing categories 

message: Population info is sorely missing, as far as I can see. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:39, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Uninhabited?

message: Seems extraordinary that the second thing Bedloe's Island is most known for [ in Europe, at least ] is not mentioned in the article or talk.
In just one event   ---  Hicks  ---  12,000 merry-makers flooded the tiny island.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-cohen-death-penalty-executions-20190602-story.html
Claverhouse (talk) 19:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Hangings