Talk:Gwen Stacy

message: Right in the header of the article, we read "Gwen Stacy aws the first love of Peter Parker". Well, that's not true. When Spider-Man comics began, his love interests were Liz Allan and Betty Brant. Gwen was only introduced later.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.54.176.252 (talk) 17:42, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Liz Allan and Betty Brant were love interests, but not loves. Peter and Gwen were in love. Wufan10304 (talk) 22:36, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: First Love?

message: Text on the comics says George Washington Bridge, but was designed as Brooklyn Bridge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nveleda (talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Stan Lee confirmed it was supposed to be the George Washington Bridge, but the artist drew the wrong bridge. It is now widely known to be the Brooklyn Bridge and the text is considered typo. In the movies they homaged both bridges. In Spider-Man, Green Goblin throws his girlfriend off one of the bridges. In The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Peter has a picture in his bedroom of the Brooklyn Bridge, and later in the film, in her infamous "death" clothes, Gwen is standing on the George Washington Bridge after leaving her cab and viewing the words "I love you" written in webs on the Brooklyn Bridge. The two bridges are right next to each other between Manhattan and Brooklyn. Also later in that film, Spider-Man and Gwen Stacy are standing on top of one of the Brooklyn Bridge pillars, where they both stood and Gwen died in the comics. Wufan10304 (talk) 22:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: George Washington Bridge?

message: "During a recent battle with the Sinister Twelve [..]"
That should probably changed, I think the author of that sentence thinks Spiderman really exists.JayAlto (talk) 04:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Problem

message: the into says her death was controversial among fans. was it really? i've had this discussion with fans who were reading at the time of her death and thats not the impression i got. sins past was far more controversial. who decided her death should have this subjective reference to it in the opening paragraph?— ChocolateRoses talk
It was much, much more controversial than Sins Past. Conway received death threats, readers complained for months. Conway wrote the Clone Saga to make a point that Gwen Stacy had died, period. The reason it is considered the turning point to the Bronze Age rests on this. --Leocomix 00:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is it controversial?

message: Shouldn't someone post more content on Gwen's appearence in "Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane"? I mean, like a summary or something. UnDeRsCoRe 01:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She's only just shown up.  She appeared on the last page three issues ago, then the next two issues were flashback.  We'll know more in a month or so. - HKMARKS 01:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I expanded it a while ago. UnDeRsCoRe 20:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane

message: Until now, it has been not analysed why Gerry Conway killed off GS in the first place. I just reread my Essential Spider-Man issues and brought in my analysis. I tried to stay factual, but is of course my POV, so feel free to comment.
*Galvanisation: I think this is self-explanatory. Her death was a 11 on the Richter scale.
*Blandness: after MJ, Gwen became typecast as the sweet and cute girl. It is boring to write these characters!
*Character downgrade: the Gwen from issue 31 was spunky, the one of issue 121 a spineless shadow of herself.
*Saturation: my POV loaded opinion is that Gwen had simply outlived her potential. Every angle of possible conflict had been played.
*Plot reasons: a conclusion of "saturation". Peter and Gwen were written as being a perfect couple. But a married Peter Parker? Both were hardly twens. In comics, only old people are married.
*Personal preferences: Conway hates Gwen, it is a well-known fact. Google it up.
Feel free to comment and improve. Onomatopoeia 02:18, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a look at it later.  I do think that most of the section is subjective and should be deleted, unless you can provide examples of those opinions held by the creators or a notable section of the fanbase.  --Chancemichaels 19:03, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, added some tangible info Onomatopoeia 21:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Conway killed off Gwen

message: I follow DC more closely than Marvel, so I wanted to get some input on this entry before editing. Do the events of House of M deserve mention here? Specifically, the revelation (further expanded in Son of M #1) that Peter Parker's perfect life included being married to Gwen, that she was the love of his life? Or is that an issue already clear enough from the regular series? Since HoM was such a large event, I thought some mention might be appropriate. ZZ 05:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mention of House of M is appropriate and significantly impacted the 666 Universe (as seen in the Son of M series that followed it, and specifically Spider-Man's actions towards Quicksilver). Netkinetic 01:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: House of M was a fake reality created by Wanda where even Luke Cage wasn't married to his wife Jessica Jones. Mary Jane is who Peter wants and Mary Jane is and always will be the love of Peter's life. Naveen Furtado (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: House of M

message: Is there a source for the information on her role in the upcoming film? Otherwise it should be removed until actual facts from the movie are released.
"She meets Peter Parker between classes, and shows interest in him. Later on, Eddie Brock shows interest in her, and they even establish some dates, which are interrupted by Parker/Spiderman. At the same time, Parker's relationship with Mary Jane is shaky, as she considers a job out of town. When the Symbiote takes hold of Parker, causing rash behavior, Parker meets with Stacy. Mary Jane notices them together, and leaves the town, leaving a letter with Aunt May. Brock also notices them, and begins to grow hate towards Parker, leading eventually to his development as Venom when fused with the symbiote."
:I'm deleting it, per your suggestion.  If true, it needs a source.  And really should have a spoiler warning all its own.  But since no source is offered, it must be considered either rumor or personal speculation and neither is worthy of inclusion.  --Chancemichaels 12:17, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwen Stacy in Spider-Man 3 

message: Gwen was Unconscious before she was knocked off the bridge but does that mean the Green Goblin Killed her before he took her to the Bridge? 
what do you think?
User:Dayle14 18.04, 11 May 2006 
:Its a theory but nothing concrete to back it up.--CyberGhostface 16:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, for the many who wrote and complained that the fall alone could not have killed Gwen if she were unconscious (and therefore unable to be scared to death, the usual explanation for a person dying before hitting the ground), it saddens us to have to say that the whiplash effect she underwent when Spidey's webbing stopped her so suddenly was, in fact, what killed her. In short, it was impossible for Peter to save her. He couldn't have swung down in time; the action he did take resulted in her death; if he had done nothing, she still would certainly have perished. There was no way out.
That's the nearest contemporary statement on the matter. Several later stories explicitly homage the events and usually Spider-Man saves the falling woman by jumping after her, getting hold of her and then diverting her momentum rather than suddenly arresting it. (This is also how he saved Gwen in a What If? issue.)
It's not clear who's responsible for the changes in reprints (anyone know when the snap first disappeared?) but I seem to recall one later writer commenting that he thinks the original plan was to have a much greater emphasis on Peter's illness affecting his judgement and be even more explicit that Gwen died because of that misjudgement. Maybe what was printed was already watered down and confusing, and a reprint editor took it further, especially as for decades nothing was ever made of this precise point. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:21, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Gwen Stacy dead before she fell off the bridge  

message: Is there any information on the Age of Apocalypse version of Gwen? HKMARKS 16:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of Apocalypse 

message: There are two different listings, one in the first paragraph and one in the beginning of the Comic Books section. They list it has being The Amazing Spider-Man #35 and The Amazing Spider-Man #31 respectively, though both have the same month. Can this be verified properly?--Mike 08:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also in question is when she died, as it's listed as comic books 122 and 121.--Mike 08:51, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  She first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #31.  She died in #121.  The Green Goblin died in #122, and that was the second part of a two-part story. - HKMARKS 12:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When Gwen appeared 

message: This page had the name Gwendolyne for a long time, but I'm 99% sure it's Gwendolyn.  Spiderfan.org listed it as Gwendolyne, and I have a strong suspicion people a lot of people just ripped it from there, as that seems to be the more popular search result on the 'net.  ASM #62 and the Marvel Encyclopedia (v.4, Spider-Man) both list it as Gwendolyn, though (that's the only issue I have on hand with her full name... my Essentials are packed away somewhere).  So, I changed it. - HKMARKS 19:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ... and #90 gives her name as Gwendolyne.  Don't you love it when canon contradicts itself? --HKMARKS 03:47, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: But what makes it official or correct if the comics say both and the handbook says Gwendolyn? I'm going to add a note on it to the page.  Neither seems to be more correct than the other.  Stan Lee was notoriously bad with names. -HKMARKS 20:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Like I said, according to whom? -HKMARKS 18:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gwendolyne vs. Gwendolyn 

message: There are some problems with the SHB's full name/alter ego fields right now due to maintenance on them.  Be careful about messing with the name fields. ---HKMarksCANDY IS A FOOD GROUPTALK♦CONTRIBS 00:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues with Superherobox/supersupportingbox

message: Is Deadpool's Gwen clone really notable? It was a small appearance in a satirical one-shot that has not been referenced since. It does not deserve a section at all. --DrBat 13:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the most, a one-sentence reference could be made to the 'Gwen Stacy's clone' section. --DrBat 15:02, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deadpool 

message: In the prose novel Goblin's Revenge by Dean Wesley Smith, the Chameleon posing as the Green Goblin also kidnaps MJ Watson and takes her to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.
12:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's confusing about that? ...and what are you talking about? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

text: First off, sign your comments properly with 4 (four) tildes. Second, from the little sense you made, your comment see,ms like utter speculation. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 20:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another source of confusion

message: Hi, all. The reason I've changed "External links" to "References" comes from these sections of Wikipedia:Cite_sources, quoted verbatim below. (Please note in Item 2 below that the italics are theirs, and not inserted by me.) Thanks!
1)
:Maintaining a separate "References" section in addition to "Notes" or "Footnotes''
:It is helpful when non-citation footnotes are used that a "References" section also be maintained, in which the sources that were used are listed in alphabetical order. With articles that have lots of footnotes, it can become hard to see after a while exactly which sources have been used, particularly when the footnotes also contain explanatory text. A References section, which contains only citations, helps readers to see at a glance the quality of the references used.
2)
:Further reading/External links
:An ==External links== or ==Further reading== section is placed near the end of an article and offers books, articles, and links to websites related to the topic that might be of interest to the reader. The section "Further reading" may include both online material and material not available online. If all recommended material is online, the section may be titled "External links". Some editors may include both headings in articles, listing only material not available online in the "Further reading" section. 
:All items used to verify information in the article must be listed in the "References" or "Notes" section, and are generally not included in "Further reading" or "External links". However, if an item used as a reference covers the topic beyond the scope of the article, and has significant usefulness beyond verification of the article, you may want to include it here as well. This also makes it easier for users to identify all the major recommended resources on a topic.
So sources used to write an article go under "References", and other helpful citations go under "External links" if they're linkable and "Further reading" if they're not online. — Tenebrae 22:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, why did you put one external link under "references"? Yeah. I'll fix your mistakes...again. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:04, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that's too harsh. Sorry. The point is, you seem like you're contradicting yourself. Like...you're going through all this trouble to make a point that really proves I'm right. It's okay, though. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprised by your unwarranted verbal animosity. In any case, "References" and "Footnotes" (or "Notes") are two different things. See "Maintaining a separate 'References' section in addition to 'Notes' or 'Footnotes'"--Tenebrae 15:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My "animosity" was brought out by I perceived as lack of thought. A wiki should never be the basis for another wiki. Furthermore, I'd like you to put out how those other links qualify as "references". Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 17:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Marvel wiki is inappropriate, I'll remove it; I hadn't put it in, and was simply deferring to whichever editor had. The other two links I used for dates, creative personal, confirmation of character appearances, etc., for which linking individual footnotes would be lengthy,  cumbersome and distracting. --Tenebrae 20:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "References" vs. "External links" vs. "Footnotes/Notes"

message: Why should we have all this 'She didn't look pregnant in issues here to here'? The whole point of Sins Past was to reinvent that period. It's blatantly obvious that not everything would be accounted for as no-one had thought of Gwen being Pregnant when those issues were first published. This is why I am editing that information out, as it appears to be irrelevant to what actually happened.
:The contraversy article is there to point out how it doesn't fit. The fact that it includes that she wore a bikini and didn't look pregnant is used to reinforce that article. And, how do you think continuity works? Something happens so you erase the older stuff. That the face that she was pregnant was retconned into the continuity, it doesn't change the past or that she wore a bikini, it just means that they made a really sloppy retcon.
:: The issues where she wears a bikini occur after she was in Europe, so after her delivery. --Leocomix 11:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sins Past

message: An anon IP, giving a proper cite, says "this Gwen Stacy will not die as her comic counterpart did."
Does this mean A) that this Gwen Stacy will not die, as her comic counterpart did, or B) that this Gwen Stacy will not die in the manner that her comic counterpart did? --Tenebrae 20:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She didn't die, period. :) Fluffybun 14:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: "Gwen dies" instead of "Gwen died", etc. MultipleTom 19:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gwen in movie

message: Maybe I don't get it, but, just exactly how do you write about things that are past events in Spidey's history in present tense?  Trekphiler 12:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Gwen dies" instead of "Gwen died", etc. MultipleTom 19:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gwens of future tense?

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message: I'm a bit confused.  According to JMS, due to these three books (an arc) being a reprint, that leaves 3 months unaccounted for - were Spider books happening one per month, or this story was the only one printed for 3 months of time in the universe, or what?  And if none of these are the case, should we note this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.211.25.9 (talk) 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sins Past - 3 months (re: ASM 116-18) 

message: gwen stacy's death was because of the Green Goblin knowing peter parker's name, so she would half to be ressurected just in another place  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.6.18.232 (talk) 18:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  brand new day 

message: I placed a rewrite notice under the television explanation.  It is muddled and repetitive and pretty in-universe.  Someone more familiar with the material should streamline it to comply with Wiki standards.  Thanks!Luminum (talk) 15:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gwen Stacey in Amazing Spider-Man

message: Removed Sarah images, as it was not a Gwen image.  Removed Dead Girl and Ultimate Gwen returns images, as neither fully illustrated the specific points in the article.  Image reduction to better reflect minimal use of copywritten images for fair-use. -Sharp962 (talk) 16:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: This is the information regarding the citation and volume numbers for the beginning of the Peter\MJ romance. In Amazing Spider-Man #143 (Vol. One) Peter Parker is on his way to France with Joe Robertson and M.J. is there to see him off. Before he boards his plane, Mary-Jane playfully suggests that Peter kiss her good-bye but Peter is ahead of her and places a long, passionate kiss squarely on her lips. Even after his plane takes off he sees that M.J. has stayed and watched his departure. After which the reader views her reaction: "Far Freakin' out!" which was a 60s-70s term expressing absolute astonishment. 
In Amazing Spider-Man #146 (Vol. One) Peter is talking with the Gwen Stacy clone but this was before the discovery of her true nature; her fingerprints did match those of Gwen so as far as Peter knew, she was real. When "Gwen" kissed him and expressed her love, she asked Peter if he still loved her--but he couldn't give her an answer. After "Gwen" left in a huff Parker said to himself: 'What do I say to her? "Sorry, Gwen--but I'm not sure these days? There's another girl, somebody I've grown to care about?"' In the very next issue, M.J. tells Peter's Aunt May that she and Peter had "discovered" something about each other but felt Peter was conflicted by "Gwen"'s return. Aunt May (who had been the one who first introduced Peter to M.J.) encouraged her not to give up or be "pushed aside" by another woman. 
Finally, In Amazing Spider-Man #149 (Vol. One) after the end of the adventure and the departure of the Gwen Stacy clone, Peter returned home but his Spider-Sense warned him that someone was in his apartment. He found that M.J. was waiting for him. He then said that he was glad to see her. Apparently crestfallen, she asked him: "Do you mean that, Tiger? For real?" To which he responded: "Come here and I'll show you." He closed the door to the reader's gaze and on that note, the story discreetly concluded. 
This is the beginning of the romance. The couple would have their first dance together, as lovers, at a party J.Jonah Jameson was giving and the song that was playing was Carl Douglas' "Kung Fu Fighting".MARK VENTURE (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The Beginning of the Peter Parker\Mary-Jane Romance

message: Although it is a distinct possibility that the upcoming Spider-Man movie will depict the death of Gwen Stacy, I'm not aware of an announcement having been made about this. I suspect that the filmmakers will want to keep it a secret until the film's release. In fact, just today there was an article in Entertainment Weekly on the speculation around this. It indicates that they haven't yet said if her death will occur in this movie. As such, I have been reverting an editor who has been stating that the film will show her death, but gives no source to back this up.
(For the record, I'm not concerned about spoilers, but rather that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.) --GentlemanGhost (converse) 22:27, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the movie has now been released internationally (although not yet in the United States), this is happily now a moot point. --GentlemanGhost (converse) 04:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation on upcoming ''Spider-Man'' movie 

message: The main picture is of her daughter, Sarah. I took the issue out of storage just to make sure and indeed - this issue is named "Sarah's Story" and Gwen is not shown in it. Sarah, however, is shown wearing the same outfit shown on the cover. GHA (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Picture - Not Gwen 

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message: Given that Sarah and Gabriel Stacy represent an aspect of the Gwen Stacy's life, even though she herself does not directly "appear" in the story arc about them, it is pertinent to this article about her. I have provided relatively basic info and referred readers to the other article (about the twins) for a more comprehensive look at the characters. I encourage others to provide more specific information and documentation for both articles.RobertGustafson (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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