Talk:Characters in Resident Evil 4

message: Come on, he has a cult following. This should be noted  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.232.242.232 (talk) 10:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're still working on adding a 'Reception' section to this article. There'll hopefully be mention of the Merchant's appearances in gaming culture media. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   14:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merchant

message: Should there be a note or something small saying that you can kill him without the special rocket launcher and keep it to sell later?207.5.195.216 10:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That comes under game advice, and isn't allowed on WP.  Geoff B 12:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree that keeping the rocket launcher for selling later is game advice, but surely the fact that it is not necessary to use the rocket launcher to kill Saddler means that the text, as it is, is misleading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.220.127 (talk • contribs) 
It says that he has converted the local populus to the Los Illuminados faith, but all the in game evidence that I have found would lead me to believe otherwise. Specificly, the in game document Butler Memo says that Saddler took advantage of Salazar's faith in Los Illuminados to have him order the excavation of the Plagas. The tone of the note would even imply that the butler himself is a devout follower. If other memos are concidered as well, it would seem that the religion has existed for several generations, and that it's use of the plagas was just hampered by the castellans. Gopherbassist (talk) 05:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Saddler

message: On the main RE4 site from capcom it shows a picture of Mendez and says 'Verdugo', does this warrant a change?207.5.195.216 01:07, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Verdugo

message: This page just got mass vandalized by a few idiots. I recommend warning or banning those with an account and semi-protecting it.Dali 19:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: When Saddler impales Luis, he has a long barbed tentacle, when you fight him in the end battle, I didn't notice a long, barbed tentacle. I did notice a lot of flailing short tentacles though. <B>Photo</B><B>Nikon</B><B>Man</B> 13:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Osmund Saddler

message: He's a character in Resident Evil 4, correct? Soniczip 13:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why isn't Leon on this list?

message: why have the page been all groped together it was better when everyone had their own page  --The brown curse 02:51, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's referring to being able to perform a suplex as Ashley.  Which doesn't count as character information.  Geoff B 13:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  question 

message: In the article it says he is 20, but if I remember correctly, he says that he is 12 <B>Photo</B><B>Nikon</B><B>Man</B> 07:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramon Salazar's Age 

message: Dengarde, please illustrate why the concrete website cannot be used as a source. The fact that it's a fan site is not enough.--Svetovid 17:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it pretty much is. Fansites are usually just repeats of existing information, plus speculation. But thats not really the reason. The sourced statement is "In addition, the "Ada's Report" documentary expands on Krauser's role in the storyline.". The game is enough of a source for that, I'd like to think that people are smart enough to figure that out by playing the game. And last, the site stated as the source,  doesn't even prove that Adas Report expands on his role. It's simply a list for random information that irrelevant to the statement it's sourcing. All that we are doing by keeping the site in the article, is advertising it. Dengarde ► Complaints  18:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How did you figure that it sources only the last sentence?--Svetovid 00:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the reference is placed at the end if that sentence. If it sources something else in the article that can't be proven just by playing the game, show me exactly what is is, where the site sources it, and then properly place the tag in the correct spot.Dengarde ► Complaints  00:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan site as a source 

message: I edited the paragraph to say "at one time he could have been a friend of Leon".  No where in the game does it say he was.  If I am mistaken, please tell me where. Jackkrauser09 (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a general rule, it's best to avoid assumptions such "could have" unless they seem important and are supported by reliable sources. So I removed it altogether.--Svetovid (talk) 14:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I think they mentioned that Krauser apparantly a "Training buddy" of Kennedy, so I'm guessing that's what was mentioned.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.242.91 (talk) 12:56, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Krauser 

message: Has anyone else notticed the simmilarities between Jack Krauser and Final Fight/Street Fighter's Rolento? I've noticed that Capcom as a company has a habit of recycling things, and Resident Evil's existance can be attributed to this as it was inspired by Sweet Home or wahtever that game was called. I was wondering if there are enough cases of Capcom's reusing of ideas to warrant pointing out the parralels and referencing this tendancy. Gopherbassist (talk) 05:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Krauser and Rolento

message: Alright, question. Why is it deemed that the last sentence in Ashley's section is necessary? It's the random opinion of some insignificant person (because I doubt that the author of the article is Diego Luna) and its inclusion in the section makes it seem like serious business. It seems more like an advertisement for the pretty small-time website. Also, I'm quite sure that Wikipedia is supposed to remain neutral, not advocate an opinion. RetroPacmanStyle (talk) 03:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The last sentence is the lone real-world commentary from a "notable" source. The POV policy does not apply to the comments of outside sources, unless of course there is a blatantly one-sided representation in an article. furthermore, please see the notability policy, specifically the "WP:NNC" section. The comment will likely be removed and placed into a more appropriate section in a later draft. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   03:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the real-world commentary at all necessary? RetroPacmanStyle (talk) 4:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: See WP:WAF; the Wikipedia's manual of style that deals with writing articles with fictional subjects. If you need further explanation leave a comment on my talk page. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   05:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We could use a shitload more real-world commentray in virtually every single Resi article. Geoff B (talk) 11:24, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashley Graham 

message: Excusez moi ignorance, but do we have to source things that happen in the game?  Leon's showdown with Saddler, etc.  I mean, isn't the game a good enough reference?80.5.143.72 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 10:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read, WP:A, WP:Cite, and WP:OR. You cannot really cite the game itself to verify a confrontation between two characters.--  ShadowJester07  ►Talk   15:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing Game Events 

message: Um, since the area is obviously in Spain even though it isn't mentioned (but various clues such as Policia, Pueblo, and the usage of various Spanish words support the idea), doesn't mean that Spanish would be replaced by European. It's not like that there are Spanish villages that seem to be from a hundred years before in other places in Europe. Guys, it seems so absurd to call the people here European as if every person in a country in Europe must be called European instead of their sovereign state.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silenthill addict (talk • contribs) 13:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Capcom have stated that the games doesn't take place in Spain, so if you want to change it you're going to need a pretty good source.Mr T (Based) (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, Capcom has never explicitly stated where the game is set. While it is almost implied that the game is set in Spain, stating so without proper citations would violate WP:OR and WP:SYN. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   19:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality of Characters & Location 

message: Didn't there used to be a plot section, or was I hallucinating? If there wasn't, shouldn't we add one? PeRiDoTs13 (talk) 08:50, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you were thinking of Resident Evil 4#Plot? Do you have a specific revision that you were thinking of? Plot sections do not necessarily belong in a Character article. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   17:24, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, I was totally looking at the wrong article when I posted this section. Sorry about that. PeRiDoTs13 (talk) 04:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No Prob :p --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   04:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot section? 

message: Right. This section:
"The merchant was an important support character as he provided Leon with guns and supplies. At a price of course. He is one of the people who were not infected with the Plagas for an unknown reason. He appears at several spots throughout the game providing newer items for sale as the game progresses. He has a house on the lake. This isolation may be why he was not infected. He does not appear when enimies are in the area."
"The merchant was an important support character" needs a source. Provide one, or stop adding the info. The rest of it is also speculative and badly written: "thie isolation may be why was not infected" sounds like original research and "he has a house on the lake" is unnecessary detail (if you think it's not, please add some qualifying information. "At a price of course" is not the appropriate formal, neutral tone expected of an encyclopaedia. I will presently be removing the information. Please discuss here, provide suitable sources, or whatever. Please don't edit war, especially reverting as vandalism. bridies (talk) 19:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP is one I have added to a sockpuppet case here.  Geoff B (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was filling out a 3RR form but I see someone has blocked him already. bridies (talk) 19:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: "The Merchant" 

message: We may have to move Krauser to the list of characters of the Resident Evil series. Seeing how Krauser was kinda confirmed to be appearing in Darkside Chronicles (as evidenced here:
http://gza.gameriot.com/content/images/view_355771_1_1244072548.jpg)
He's definitely gonna have to move from the characters in resident evil 4 section to at least the List of Characters in Resident Evil, seeing how he's no longer going to be a RE4 exclusive character. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:14, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are going to need much more than a picture to confirm that Krauser will make an in the Darkside Chronicles. A proper source, ex an article, interview, or official video, are the only things that could back this up - see WP:Reliable Source for more information. The picture in question does not offer much details, especially since the figure in question is obscured and could be any character. Unless there is a reliable source to confirm who it actually is - it would be considered "original research" to claim it is Krauser. On a side note, The figure looks very similar to the blond character speaking to Sergei at the end of Ada's level in RE:UC - but that's just my opinion. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   01:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

text: What oxygen tube? I don't even see an outline of one. I do see a tube on the neck, but that's more like the bronchial tubes/muscles related to the tubes that one always finds on a person's neck. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:34, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

text: EDIT: Oh, wait, never mind, you were talking about the man sergei was talking to, not the man in the picture. Also, if you guys look closely at his... er... left eye, one can notice a scar on there, which pretty much confirms Krauser. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:20, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After comparing the silhouette to a hi-res image of a Krauser action figure,  there are some some similarities between the two. It may very well be Jack, but we cannot say so on Wikipedia until Capcom, or a RS confirms this. We had similar situation a year or two ago on the Resident Evil 5 article, when editors disputed whether the game's protagonist was going to be Billy Coen or Redfield based on the First E3 trailer. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   16:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, seeing how he's been confirmed since 1UP's article, he needs to move to the Resident Evil Characters list, seeing how he's no longer a Resident Evil 4 exclusive character. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krauser moving. 

message: I think that the Merchant section should mention the fact that he is also infected with a Plaga. 201.254.74.29 (talk) 22:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Merchant