Talk:1979 oil crisis

message: I believe this is incorrect. Price controls set by the US gov't caused a shortage (due to the price) that had more of an effect than the actaul shortage in resources (scarcity). Any ideas?--Vince251 16:58, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some sources that assert that very thing. The amount of oil sold in the US was only 3.5% less than the previous year... not really enough to be a shortage. Price controls do cause shortages, however, because they don't provide enough supply to meet demand.--Gloriamarie (talk) 19:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I deleted the references that were there. There was nothing in either of the links that, even vaguely, related to the article. It certainly didn't back up the statistic provided. When putting back in the template, I used the older date, because the references were really never there. Zreeon 02:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: While I agree this article needs cleaning up, I don't think the weasel words tag really is needed here.  Fanra 01:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  weasel words?

message: About the Malaise speach, this article is weak.I read that speach and almost every Carter's promisse was a failure.To example, he promissed that USA would be importting less oil in the future, than at that times.In fact, the american oil's importation is now more the double than in 1978.Caretr also promissed million of brents of oil from coal, every day in 1990.In fact, nothing was being produced and Syntetic Oil Corporation produced no syntetic oil, just burned money from american public.201.9.78.138 (talk) 00:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really Jimmy Carter's fault. He lost the 1980 presidential election and was in no position to make good on his promises thereafter. The subsequent administration was not minded to continue his policies. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

text: Carter put solar hot water panels on the White House roof, not solar power panels, which were still far to expensive for the average household.  Solar hot water was much more economical and efficient during that period of high oil prices.  Regan had a much larger area of solar PV (electric power) panels installed on a large maintenance building on the White House grounds, to the left when you look at the White House across the big lawn, but never trumpeted the fact, and is usually ignored by the media.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.173.221.81 (talk) 19:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you are referring to this: http://www.solardesign.com/pdf/SolarToday-WhiteHouse.pdf that was actually Bush Jr.'s administration, not Reagan. CherylJosie (talk) 03:50, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Malaise speach

message: The section about automobile fuel economy comes across as a non-sequitur. It starts off by talking about the Corporate Average Fuel Economy regulations of 1978, which is sensible, but it then goes on about the transition in the US market from rear-wheel-drive to front-wheel-drive. I understand that American cars of the 1970s tended to have poor fuel economy, and they also tended to be rear-wheel drive, but the section doesn't make it clear that the two are linked. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You raise some interesting points. I've taken the liberty of editing this bit out; it strays from the topic into a general essay on US automobile platforms in the mid-80s, and really belongs in another article. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 19:25, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automobile fuel economy 

message: This article describes only oil-related events. It should be renamed 
1979 oil crisis
to be in line with the 1973 oil crisis of similar content, 1979 world oil market chronology, 1980s oil glut, etc.--Environnement2100 (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Energy crisis or oil crisis ? 

message: In November 1979, the Carter administration decided an embargo over Iran oil, as a retaliation against the hostage crisis. I confirmed and reffed this fact. It is interesting to note that a a bona fide website such as the DoE's website seems oblivious of the fact: link to DoE's timeline. --Environnement2100 (talk) 11:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But I think the energy crisis started in the Spring.  (And it's perhaps natural and expected for writers and researchers to focus on the beginning, and basically to run out of steam.  And miss aspects of the end game, and the transition out of the crisis.)  FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 19:47, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carter administration embargo, 1979 

message: "Deregulating domestic oil price controls allowed domestic U.S. oil output to rise sharply from the large Prudhoe Bay fields, while oil imports fell sharply. Hence, long lines appeared at gas stations, as they had six years earlier during the 1973 oil crisis."
I don't undersand this "hence". Whether total production rose or fell (which isn't specified anyway) it does not follow that gas lines should appear. --ScottJ (talk) 18:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hence" doesn't follow 

message: Timeline of the accident at Three Mile Island, The Patriot-News [Central Pennsylvania], March 22, 2009.
I'm not sure this is at all relevant to the article. Maybe as an aside in another section (perhaps one about U.S. attitudes on energy?) but it doesn't really warrant such a large portion of the article. I'd like to have a discussion at removing this part. Owenh10 (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three Mile Island near-disaster on March 28, 1979, probably also led to increased worry about energy availability 

message: Carter demands energy sacrifices, Telegraph Herald, [Dubuque, Iowa and East Dubuque, Illinois], Washington (UPI), page 2, Friday, April 6, 1979.
‘A somber President Carter announced Thursday night he will lift oil price controls starting June 1 and demand other energy-saving sacrifices “in a great national effort to give us energy security.”
‘“I’ll give it to you straight:  Each one of us will have to use less oil and pay more for it,” he said in a nationally broadcast, 24-minute energy policy address from the Oval Office.  .  .  ”
‘  .  .  .  Carter promised to fight for congressional enactment of taxes on the “huge and undeserved windfall profits” the oil companies will reap from decontrol.  .  .  ’
‘  .  .  .  But Carter made clear that, with or without such a tax, he will start lifting federal price controls from U.S.-produced oil as of June 1 and will complete that process by October 1981.  .  .  ’
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http://books.google.com/books?id=mcY0NN_5dpoC&pg=PA310&dq=%221979+energy+crisis%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Cqg_UbDLL4ae2QX43YEY&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%221979%20energy%20crisis%22&f=false
::Wow.  A great variety of sources for those who have the time.  FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 5, '79:  Pres. Carter announces he will begin process of lifting federal price controls on U.S.-produced oil starting June 1, '79, and will complete process by October '81. 

message: Energy crisis still doubted by public, Free Lance-Star [Virginia], Evans Witt, Associated Press Writer, page 5, May 4, 1979.
"  .  .  .  Americans say energy shortages are a hoax and that they don't like Carter's decision to lift price controls on domestic crude oil.  However, the public's distrust of oil companies runs do deep that, when faced with crude oil decontrol, they overwhelmingly favor a windfall profits tax on oil company profits.  .  .  "
"  .  .  .  Fifty-four percent said the nation's energy shortages are a hoax.  Only 37 percent say the shortages are real.  Nine percent of the 1,600 adults interviewed nationwide by telephone were not sure.  .  .  "
"  .  .  .  Those who say the energy crisis is a hoax come down 58-31 against lifting controls."
:Whether or not the public is right, this widespread perception is one more fact which we should have in our article.  FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 00:34, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early May '79 AP-NBC News poll: only 37% of Americans believe crisis is real, 9% not sure 

message: This statement: "The price of crude oil rose to $39.50 per barrel over the next 12 months" is meaningless without context. It rose to 39.50 from where? What was the oil price before the shock? What was the % change? By itself, throwing out this number at the reader tells them nothing.Volunteer Marek (talk) 14:34, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  price change 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: On the third paragraph additionally does not need to be there, add on a semicolon to the word before it.
On the Iran section, remove what is inside the parentheses, remember it has to be neutral although it is helpful I would still recommend to remove (a long time opposition leader) and (skilled oil workers). However, if you do not want to remove them I would suggest adding it before or wording it differently in a way that will sound neutral.
Lastly, on the Other Oil section describe what OPEC is first before you abbreviate it and remove the semicolon on [25].—Dlozano04 (talk) 18:36, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar/spelling errors 

message: "Richard Nixon imposed price controls on domestic oil. Gasoline controls were repealed, but controls on domestic US oil remained." The author could have mixed up the 1973 crisis with the 1979 crisis and if that is the case this section should be removed. Since there is no citation it is unclear if this is the case or if the author meant to say president Ford or if they meant the price controls had remained in place since 1973. Either way more clarity is needed Bad Historiography (talk) 23:25, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ford instead of Nixon?