Talk:Indigenous peoples of Africa

message: I think this article is great! I think if a photo was added and a little more structure it would make it much easier (and exciting) to read! Allykittencat (talk) 04:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas for improvement

message: In May 2018, User:Dbachmann proposed that this article be merged with List of ethnic groups of Africa. While I don't support the proposal (at least as it stands), I'm creating this section to facilitate discussion of it, as well as ideas for improvement of the article. (Note also the discussion from 2008, above, about "Proposed deletion.")
The topic of the article is complicated since, as it mentions: "the vast majority of Native Africans can be considered to be "indigenous" in the sense that they have originated from that continent and nowhere else, ...." And indeed, the list of African ethnicities included in the List of indigenous peoples seems to reflect that broad definition. However, the definition of "indigenous peoples," coming mainly from experience largely in the Americas & Oceania, covers clearly identifiable groups relatively small in population. So, in the case of Africa, as the article explores, factors other than "" itself are considered in order to define "indigenous peoples" of the continent. 
This is not to argue for or against that approach, as there are certainly human rights and economic issues facing peoples in Africa so defined. But it does lead to outcomes quite different in Africa than one would find in the Americas or Oceania. For example the first issue of the UNESCO Courier in 2019 (on "Indigenous Languages and Knowledge (IYIL 2019)") includes an article on the "Mbororo" a Fulani subgroup that arrived in Chad (focus of the article) later in history than some other groups not considered indigenous. This kind of situation is noted in the article.
This is, however, an interesting situation especially given the tradition in some parts of the continent at least, that there is a special connection between the first people to occupy an area of land and that land (don't have a reference on that handy, but this would be something that should be discussed somewhere in this article).
Also, in terms of "indigenous" in its broader sense, what does the way "indigenous people" is definedin Africa make the rest of the continent's native ethnicities? The article notes that few groups in Africa claim indigenous status, and if that's the case, reasons should be explored. In any event, these are some quick thoughts about the subject of the article and how it is treated. --A12n (talk) 02:36, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: This article is such a mess - referring to the multiple issues tagged. Shouldn't we just scrap it? Rossouw 16:01, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a mess 

message: If there should indeed be an article called "indigenous peoples of Africa," which I'm not entirely sure there should be (not super knowledgeable about what "indigenous" even means in an African context) then yeah, I agree that this a case of WP:TNT.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrashunreality (talk • contribs) 01:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup vs. deletion