Talk:Khmer Krom

message: This is indeed an article that needs to be written as it is an important issue in that part of the world.  However, it is obvious by the second paragraph that this article is not written from a neutral point of view and, in fact, is errant in many of its facts.  One example is from the second paragraph where the author states that the Khmer living inside the borders of Vietnam are the original inhabitants of that area.  I don't know where to start with this sentance!  If what the author intended to say was true, it would properly be worded "the Khmer living inside the borders of present-day Vietnam are the descendants of the original inhabitants of the area.  However, even that would not be accurate since the presence of the Cham ethinc group and their Kingdom of Champa predate the arrival of the Khmer in South-East Asia by centuries.  
This article on an important issue is in desparate need of cleaning up.
Also, I would like to suggest a similar article on the "Khmer Surin" or the Khmer living within the borders of Thailand.  While they are not nearly as oppressed as the Khmer Krom, they do have a unique culture and a substantially different dialect (Northern Khmer) that some linguists consider a separate language.  WilliamThweatt 02:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're wrong about the Cham. The Cham did not live in the delta of the Mekong, they lived further north, in what is now central Vietnam. The most ancient inhabitants of the Mekong delta, as proven by historical sources and archeology, are Khmer people. Hardouin 12:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Descendants 

message: I've changed the population to debated and add the Khmer Krom census.  The population figure used by the CIA world book is drawn from the Vietnamese government.  Vietnam can't be trusted when it comes to minorities in the country, epecially when it comes to Khmers.  Vietnamese are very oppressive toward other people, they are not known for tolerance.  Thats why many organization like the Degars and Khmer Krom seek to spread awareness of their existence.  CanCanDuo 02:51, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the above argument.  The Khmer Krom Federation also has a political agenda and so their population figures are not reliable.  It is also a self-published source (another reason it is not a reliable source).  Government-published sources are considered reliable per WP:RS and WP:V.  The fact that there are disputes should be mentioned in a separate section, not in the "official" population area.--William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 03:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Btw, WilliamThweatt, care to explain why you keep changing the page to add the 8 millions figure if you really think so?--82.23.6.177 15:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There is no official population area yet, it just states origin.  You act as if Vietnam is does not have an agenda against minorities.  When it comes to khmer Krom, there are no trusted source. CanCanDuo 23:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you don't know this but the highest ranking government official in Vietnam for the last 6 years (the secretary general of the Communist Party) - Nong Duc Manh - is of ethnic minority origin (Tay). Beside, we have been having this discussion for such a long time that I think it's pointless to restart the same discussion all over again. See the Vietnam Talk Page, if you are a sensible person you will understand why the figure from KKF is not mentioned. Until you can provide a single verifiable source that use the 7 millions figure, I don't think it is constructive or wise to restart the same old argument.--lt2hieu2004 02:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: The history section reads like a drama and not an encyclopedia article.  No supporting evidence is provided. I've tagged it with the POV tag. DHN 01:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History section heavily biased 

message: Just visit these sites.
http://khmercanada.site.voila.fr/atrocites.htm
http://khmercanada.site.voila.fr/racisme.htm
It first occured in 1970 in Cambodia with the Lon Nol regime and then in 1978 with Pol Pot regime, known as the "Ba Chuc Massacre", kinda huge pogrom. I've made a report on Ba Chuc and Phi Lai. Vietnamese peasants have always feared the threat of Khmer upraisal in that Vietnamese "Far West" of the Mekong delta. I've been in Ba Chuc and Phi Lai during my trip there on last november.
Takima 02:17, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massacre of Vietnamese by Khmer Serei, Khmer Rouge and Khmer Krom 

message: When the delegations of Cambodia, France, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Vietnam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom, and the United States met in July 1954 in Geneva in an attempt to end the fighting in Indochina, the Royal Government of Cambodia raised the problem of Khmer territories of Cochinchina, asking the Conference to take it up at the same time. The Conference noted the specific reservations formally made by the Cambodian Delegation as to Cambodia's legitimate claims on the Khmer territories, now parts of South Vietnam.
What about Russian claims on Yukon, British Columbia, Washington, Oregon and Northern California?
In the 60s, Norodom Sihanouk addressed:
“[…] Supposons que nous puissions la Cochinchine ou même qu’on nous l’offre, il est à peine nécessaire de nous dire que la coexistence entre 5 millions de Khmers et 12 millions de Vietnamiens ne serait pas sans danger. Nous serions seulement une minorité et nous serions bientôt dominés par une masse étrangère dans laquelle la nation khmère disparaîtrait”. (Agence Khmère Presse, Pnom Penh, p. 4, 2 mars 1962). 
Takima 18:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This raises an issue.  Vietnam also claims the Paracel Islands, but China controls them. Joshotoken (talk) 21:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be serious 

message: Need more verifiable source. Magnifier (talk) 11:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NOV of Current Situation

message: ...especially in an angry way. Where shall I put this information into? This article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yjfstorehouse (talk • contribs) 05:17, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many Khmers use the word "Yuon" to address Vietnamese... 

message: http://khmerkromngo.org/map/map.htm
http://www.unpo.org/article/8856
http://khmerkromngo.org/
http://khmerkromngo.org/map/map.htm
http://www.khmerkrom.org/
http://www.khmerkrom.net/
http://vodhotnews.com/
http://www.vodhotnews.com/en/special-events/7391-the-64rd-anniversary-of-losing-kampuchea-krom-territorial-integrity-to-vietnam
8-Khmer Krom, Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZb497b_6Oc
2-Khmer Krom, Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UHq7WmZ8G0
4-Khmer Krom, Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDT2rinrFNQ
6-Khmer Krom, Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XipMMPkmLek
A one-hour long documentary on the Khmer Krom indigenous peoples from the Mekong Delta ...
5-Khmer Krom, Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12n7HphTEkE
Khmer Krom - Indigenous Peoples from Vietnam - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1FCF62D2BCEAC6F7
9-Khmer Krom-Indigenous Peoples Human Rights Video - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxybkoHwsw
KhmerKrom indigenous in Vietnam, did notrecognize the ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFa2ereOlHQ
PM Hun Sen Speak about (Koh Trol Phu Quoc and Khmer Krom) 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1j03EZvCk8
Rajmaan (talk) 05:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  sources 

message: Hi! Here some useful links:
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/vietnam0109web.pdf
http://www.caraweb.org/articles/kampuchea_krom.pdf
ATBWikirictor (talk) 12:04, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: useful material

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message: Why is humans rights watch so biased and.anti vietnam? Perhaps the american withdrawal from vietnam left a sour taste in their mouth? I have noticed that they place vietnam very lowly, just slightly above china (prc) and even worse than  certain countries in the middle east and africa. Norewritingofhistory (talk) 02:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human Rights Watch and Vietnam 

message: Most, if not all of these sources are inaccurate and are heavily biased. Using information from random khmer websites and youtube videos, it seems very fishy. Norewritingofhistory (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources are a mess