Talk:Jump (Van Halen song)

message: This article currently suggests that the "Jump" recording synth was an OB-Xa.  While the band toured with an Xa and the video shows and Xa, [article on Reverb] says that the song was recorded on an OB-X, as the Xa was not available in the studio at the time]].  I consider this a reasonably strong article, and see no evidence to the contrary posted here.  Thus I propose changing it to the OB-X.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8400:6F6:25F6:E5DA:9458:2385 (talk) 23:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowlegde, a previous version of the article stated just what you wrote. No idea who reverted that, and I doubt the quoted references are reliable enough for a revert. Too many urban legends recited over and over again. Given that the OB-X was the precursor of the OB-Xa and reportedly unreliable for touring, the "OB-X was used in the studio" story seems to have a lot of credibility to me. Unfortunately, I don't have enough inside knowledge (or sources to cite) to revert that passage back. BTW, your link to the Reverb article is broken, even though the article is still online. I'm no expert in WP linking, so I'll just post the correct link, hope it works: https://reverb.com/news/the-synth-sounds-of-van-halens-jump --91.61.220.193 (talk) 01:11, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: OB-X vs OB-Xa

message: I realize mold is mould in most of the british commonwealth, but... - darrennie 05:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isn't mold not mould. 

message: Wasn't this song used as the theme of a famous TV show or series? I can't think of it right now, but I'm pretty ure it was! --88.67.163.197 (talk) 21:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme song? 

message: I have removed the reference to www.mvdbase.com at the end of this section because that reference did not provide any support for the article's claims of how and why the video differs from the album version.  I've replaced it with a citation-needed tag.  --Tedd (talk) 14:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences Between Video and Album Versions 

message: The section begins with the sentence (emphasis added): "Jump" was not ranked #15 on VH1's 100 Greatest Songs of the 80s  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.20.22.66 (talk) 07:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception 

message: This IS synth rock.  It should say so.--72.92.23.80 (talk) 00:22, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: With the heavy use of Synthesiser played by Eddie Van Halen in the video if you actually seen it. :3 Clearly this marked this particular track under the pop-rock or electronic rock genres, because it's using rock style and instruments with an electronic instrument. Which mind you is very much in the forefront of this song. Eddie Van Halen made it a key play in the song. I would contest the current genres other than Glam rock and hard rock.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.130.201 (talk) 02:05, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop rock and Electronic rock 

message: I removed "pop" as one of the listed genres (with 2 citations). Eddie Van Halen largely using synthesizer is not based on the pop records (while the song peaked at #1 on the U.S. Pop Chart), many synthesizer instruments is based on the electronic/new wave records. So, "Jump" is being nominated for a new wave record, while i'm not removed "glam rock music" and "hard rock music" on the listed genres section. Thank you. Wisnu Aji (talk) 05:43, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Rolling Stone is certainly a reliable source for genre of a song. Whatever the merits of your argument may be, it is original research. "PoP" is verifiable. - SummerPhDv2.0 13:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New wave 

message: Yes, several bands have covered the song. Per WP:COVERSONG, there is no indication that any of these covers are notable. "When a song has renditions (recorded or performed) by more than one artist, discussion of a particular artist's rendition should be included in the song's article (never in a separate article), but only if at least one of the following applies:
*the rendition is discussed by a reliable source on the subject of the song,
*the rendition itself meets the notability requirement at WP:NSONGS."
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None of the covers meet WP:NSONGS. Yes, sources discussing (band X) may discuss (band X)'s cover of the song. However, we need reliable sources discussing the song that discuss (band X)'s cover. Why? Otherwise Yesterday (Beatles song) would list several hundred covers, ranging from Pearl Jam to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir to the Butthole Surfers. - SummerPhDv2.0 23:36, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covers 

message: "Jump" sounds a lot different from previous Van Halen songs. In 1982 starting in July, they toured with After The Fire, which had been releasing songs sounding much like that on albums released in 1979, 1980, and March 1982. Aside from the vocals, "Jump" would not sound out of place on an After The Fire album. Compare After The Fire's song "80-F" from their 1980 album:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-U6xVuXHe4
Here are two earlier examples of their sound, both from their 1979 album:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSCfuVoSSXI
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09su_KlqTdA
Here are some examples from their March 1982 album that show more mature songwriting and performance, which the Van Halen audiences on that 1982 tour may have heard After The Fire play:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYc_ITFfCbw
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAyIAiSTtrM
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERkkW0kL7Ng
"Jump" was on Van Halen's very next album after that tour.
Greg (talk) 08:20, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll need to find a proper source for this. PaulCHebert (talk) 08:22, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence by After The Fire 

message: This article refers to Van Halen as a "hard rock" band, but is this song more an example of soft rock than hard rock? Vorbee (talk) 10:40, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This song is not soft rock, nor is it hard rock or glam metal. Yes, there's guitar work, but it's only heard in the mid-section of the song (before the opening synth repeats itself), and towards the end during the fade out. In all, this is rather basic synthpop with elements of rock. If you listen to certain Duran Duran songs from around this same time frame such as Hungry Like the Wolf, you'll see it too has similar elements to this song (a synthesizer and guitar arrangement). So, if we're going to classify this as hard rock and glam metal, might as well do that to all 80's synthpop songs that contain a synth/guitar fusion, and there's quite a few bands that do that such as A Flock of Seagulls, Icehouse, and Frankie Goes to Hollywood among others. In conclusion, this is pure synthpop, and, along with I'll Wait foreshadowed the direction they would take with Sammy Hager where the synthesizer would become much more prominent on songs such as Dreams, Why Can't This Be Love, Love Walks In, When It's Love, and probably many more before they went keyboardless (mostly) in the 1990's. Moline1 (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

text: It's not for us to decide the genre by conducting our own analysis, or we would be violating WP:No original research – a strict policy. Rather, we look at published sources and tell the reader what they say. UCR says "rock", while Alfred Music Publishing says the song showed the band shifting away from hard rock and toward pop. Pete Prown agrees, writing that "Jump" was "a major departure for the band", a shift away from hard rock. Michael Campbell writes that the song is "punk-inspired and pop-oriented rock", with a "rock-rhythm layer" of quickly repeated bass notes. Campbell classifies the song as having an "'80s pop rock sound" with prominent synths and traditional rock instrumentation. Harry Sumrall wrote that "Jump" is "a true rock masterpiece" (see page 274 of Pioneers of Rock and Roll. There's none of that hard rock or soft rock stuff here. Binksternet (talk) 23:50, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Hard rock or soft rock

message: How is a top Disney movie Herbie: Fully Loaded. not notable? Herbie: Fully Loaded, sooundtrack— Preceding unsigned comment added by Telecineguy (talk • contribs) 1:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The film is notable. Not everything in the film is notable, including that song. Instant Comma (talk) 13:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't work with personal opinions here. Wikipedia's policies are that material should reflect a neutral point of view and be supported with reliable, verifiable sources. Provide a reliable, verifiable source saying that this cover of the song is significant, and we don't have a problem. Instant Comma (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: To Instant Comma

message: I heard the song imitated in the initial levels of the arcade video game Quartet (1986).  If you play long enough without grabbing the key to the exit door, it will execute something similar to the synthesizer riff of the song Jump.2607:FEA8:8420:E75B:D059:96A0:7C38:A9BA (talk) 10:07, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Use in the arcade video game Quartet (1986)