Talk:Akrotiri and Dhekelia

message: It looks like CIA got its Dhekelia map wrong. The area to the north of the UN buffer zone is not under the control of the Republic of Cyprus but under turkish occupation (or Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus administration, according to your PoV) Mavros
No, its just that no country recognizes the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, except Turkey. Takeshi
My statement above refers to an older version of the map which was wrong. The map has been corrected. Mavros 15:36, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Maps

message: Why aren't there separate articles for Akrotiri and Dhekelia? They are listed as separate entities in the CIA Factbook. —Cantus…☎ 21:01, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
Could somebody create a map of all Cyprus with dots to indicate where these territories are located?  RickK 09:45, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
:See UK sovereign base and/or :Image:Cy-map.png. - Hoshie/Crat 00:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Split question

message: As for this edit, I am interested to know if Akrotiri and Dhekelia are cities. Thanks. — Instantnood 21:41, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: City question

message: Here's a section where you can cast a vote on whether or not you are in favour of 2 separate articles - Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area.One vote per person please. - (Aidan Work 01:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote to split this article.

message: I have always been in favour of 2 separate articles under the 2 above-mentioned names. The lists of the Administrators of the 2 S.B.A.'s should be included. - (Aidan Work 01:58, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes in favour of splitting this article.

message: I would like to reiterate my belief that the title of this article should be changed to "Sovereign Base Areas Cyprus". This is the name of the administritive unit that both these areas fall under, as per the Sovereign Base Areas web site .Locally the areas are known as Western Sovereign Base Area and Eastern Sovereign Base Area, rather than Akrotiri and Dhekelia- these names refer to the RAF base and the Army garrison of the same names, each constituting just a part of their respective base areas. It concerns me that the CIA World Factbook is being used as the definitive authority on this issue rather than British Government material such as the SBA website and the British Forces Cyprus web site . There are a number of inaccuracies in the CIA source- for instance, it states there are no indigenous inhabitants; however, there is the Cypriot village of Akrotiri in the WSBA that is under the governance of the SBA administration, not the Republic of Cyprus (unlike the villages in the ESBA). No where on the British Forces website does it refer to Episkopi as a Cantonment (however, Dhekelia is). Episkopi, as an army garrison, hardly qualifies to be called a capital- it is an Administritive Centre. --Dashers 03:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed change of name for article 

message: I'm not seeing any reasion in the article for the see also link to Guantanamo Bay.  If there is one, it really should not point to the disamb. article, it chould point to the correct mainspace atricle.  Should I remove it, point it to  Guantanamo Bay Naval Base or Guantánamo Bay, Cuba? Zvar 03:33, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just delete it I think. It's enough that both belong to :Category:Overseas military bases, no real need to refer to it in the "See also" section. --Mathew5000 07:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guantanamo Bay

message: From the maps of this article - it looks like a significant percentage/. Reaper7 15:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What percentage of land is taken by the UK bases on the Greek Cypriot land?

message: The SBAs seem to be listed frequently on Wikipedia (and the CIA Factbook) as separate British territories, but the article seems to infer (or even state outright) that they aren't anything more than British military bases, albeit not located on British soil (I would imagine that Akrotiri and Dhekelia aren't the only British bases overseas, though.)  Why are these bases usually listed as territories?  True this is probably a discussion for the talk pages of the various lists of countries on Wikipedia, but since the ones that list the SBAs all link here, might as well discuss here.  --Canuckguy 13:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The SBAs comprise a single British Overseas Territory.  They are the only bases in the world that are the sovereign territory of the operating nation (although British sovereignty is restricted by the terms of the treaty with Cyprus).  Guantanamo Bay is an American base on Cuban sovereign territory, albeit leased to the United States.  JAJ (talk) 02:14, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overseas territory 

message: This website shows a separate flag for use on Akrotiri and Dhekelia rather than the UK flag, is this just unofficial?  - J Logan t: 21:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Inofficial fantasy flag. —Nightstallion 01:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to second what Nightstallion has said. The flag sold by flagsonline.it is bogus. See the  for these images on Commons. - Thanks, Hoshie 12:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: What is it with the people here, the soldiers were sentanced to 25 years and released after 13 years NOT the 2 years lie, that is on this wikipedia page 
see BBC source http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4792915.stm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockybiggs (talk • contribs) 11:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BRITISH SOLDIER - RAPE CASE OF LOUISE JENSEN 

message: The scouce for this is bogus (i.e the website doesn`t exsist).
Why are these comments here, when there is no proof or need. this a guess and not fact ????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockybiggs (talk • contribs) 11:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egyptian guerrillas were flown into Larnaca for interrogation 

message: Votes for this section to be removedRockybiggs (talk) 11:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? It is sourced entirely from mainstream news sources. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 
Because the International controversy title alone in name is irrelevant.
Not only was there no Interntional Controversy, and the comments are only suited to a cypriot propaganda agenda.
First paragraph: 1956 Suez crises comments 
1)	This first paragraph is plagiarism from the alleged source.
2)	How can this be called a source, when these are not facts but one journalists
opionion being raised in a newspaper article.
3)	Which have been taken out of total context.
4)	Plagiarism alone is a Wikipedia offence in its self.
British soldier  rape case
1)	There is already a Wikipedia page devoted to this rape case Louise Jensen.
2)	I can`t see any reason why this case should be mentioned on this page, apart from a cypriot view, and as this is UK soil and the offences took place on cypriot soil,please tell me why they shouldn`t be omitted. Rockybiggs (talk) 14:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi Rockybiggs, please consider the following: the British military bases in cyprus are not exactly UK soil, they are sovereign! At the same time they are liable to the Republic of Cyprus laws in regards to Freedom of Access, Legislation, Public Services,Education, Agriculture, Co-operative Development, Labour and Social Insurance, Social Welfare, Health and Medical Services, Postal Services, Forestry Services, Customs, Currency and Exchange Control, Civil Proceedings, Criminal Proceedings, Prisons etc etc.  They are a distinctive case. SBAs are meant to be military bases only. The laws of the UK do not apply to Cypriots in the SBAs. Regards Meander₪  —Preceding comment was added at 13:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  i owe you a smiley :). Please also consider the following: The existance of the Republic of Cyprus (through its treaty of establishment) reinforces and does not hinder the sovereignty of the military bases, as they are bound by the same treaty. It is the cooperation of the two which makes possible the SBAs sovereignty. It is for the same reason Rockybiggs that the infobox of cyprus was added. To be honest i was bewildered when i saw it removed. Without the treaty, and the republics infrastructure the SBAs would not be the same. Kindly reconsider, thanks Meander₪ 14:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Having the infobox only on the Republic of Cyprus page should be the correct and proper place. As Akrotiri and Dhekelia already has infobox, and is a Sovereign base (UK administered). From a presentational point of view as well. Rockybiggs (talk) 14:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, Your are right, it doesnt look nice. Meander₪ 15:12, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  International controversy 

message: They already are. Christopedia (talk) 11:41, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not by British civilians.  Britain is under a treaty obligation with Cyprus not to use the bases for anything other than military purposes.  JAJ (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Is there any chance these areas will be settled by civilians in the future?

message: I read, at the end of the article, that they adopted the euro despite they are not part of the European Union. I think this is not correct: they are not part of the Euro Zone, but they do belong to the European Union, as part of the United Kingdom. 
Am i correct or is there some special status I am not aware of?--Nebu87 (talk) 12:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We can just say that the Vatican became a member of the EU, but the Pope was mistaken to believe that Europe was to turn up in the gardens of the Vatican. Then we end up with one enraged Monarch who wants out of the EU.......As If. (83.108.30.141 (talk) 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

text: British overseas territories: "The British Overseas Territories are fourteen territories that are under the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, but which do not form part of the United Kingdom itself[...]Gibraltar is the only Overseas Territory that is part of the European Union[...]the main body of EU law does not apply and, although certain slices of EU law are applied to those territories" Apokrif (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

text: No, BOTs are not "part of" the United Kingdom. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 12:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bases belong to the European Union 

message: Having read the article I wondered, how would I address a letter to one of these places? GB, Akrotiri? CY, Akrotiri? Is there a postcode? --155.56.68.220 (talk) 14:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post address 

message: Does any one have pictures like these:  .  There's hardly any pictures on this article. --92.8.99.201 (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The article refers to a "number of controversies" involving the British, but describes only two. The article should either say "two controversies," or describe the rest of them to avoid misleading imprecision or exaggeration.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 (talk) 20:50, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imprecise Language 

message: They're not really. There are two bases.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The bases are split into

message: Akrotiri surely isn't surrounded by Cypriot territory. Also, is Dhekelia in two parts, connected by the buffer-zone, or is the link also British?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the link is also British, see this map. Apcbg (talk) 14:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography

message: The whole first paragraph under this heading "Dispute with Cyprus", about the UK Govt failing to pay money claimed by the Govt of the Republic of Cyprus, is unreferenced - basically because it is largely wrong. It appears to come from a story based on a mis-reading of the 1960 Exchange of Notes on Financial Assistance to RoC (commonly referred to as "Appendix R" from the grouping in the set of papers presented to the UK Parliament). From the Republic of Cyprus's own Government website at 
http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/0/7efeb0c73e0ee288c2256fdc00396ae3?OpenDocument&ExpandSection=1 
you can see that this is about the former colonial power giving financial aid "by way of grant" to the new Republic on a tapering basis - a total of £12 million, with £4 million in the first year, down to £1.5 million in the 5th year. Then there are other very specific payments related to the arrangements for independence. Then there is at (c) a provision that the UK is every 5 years to review & determine, in consultation with the Republic, the amount of financial aid to be provided over the next 5 years "taking all factors into account, including the financial requirements of the Government of the Republic" - clearly linking it to the needs of the new government, not to anything that the UK is paying for. The common mistake (or deception) is to claim that the money was rent for the bases, but the bases were not rented, and a tapering rent is an odd concept. Instead it is financial aid - and on a reducing basis, with no guarantee of anything after the first 5 years - it is entirely for the UK to decide how much, which means the supposed "estimates" of something actually owed are entirely fanciful. The paragraph does not reference any demand made by the Government of the Republic, motions have been passed in the Republic's Parliament, but it must be significant that the Government has never taken them up with the UK, let alone with any international court (even with the excuse that the Turks must be dealt with before the Greek-Cypriots take on the British). If there has been no demand, and there is no document to back up any such claim or even put any figures on it, then what is this paragraph doing on Wikipedia? Waldronfan (talk) 20:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If as you say it is unrelated, then it would be better on the relations page, where it should probably be anyway. CMD (talk) 23:46, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Per WP:Bold, there's no etiquette issue. If anyone objects they'll discuss it here as well. CMD (talk) 00:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just an acknowledgment is needed under GFDL when it moves to the new destination, in the edit-summary field of the destination article. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed it does. I've been bold and moved this, citation needed tags and all. CMD (talk) 08:18, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Thank you CMD. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dispute with Cyprus" 

message: Chipmunkdavies restored  the UK flag and CoA in the infobox with the argument that "It seems standard, both in external sources, and in wikipedia, to use state flags for dependent territories that lack their own". I respectfully disagree: what we are doing in this infobox is not "using" (displaying) a state flag, in the way we would "use" it in, say, tables of sports teams with  sugaring. The infobox is supposed to convey encyclopedic information. The question to which it is supposed to provide an answer is not: "what national flag would be flown in this territory?", but: "what is the flag of this territory?". If this territory has no flag of its own, then there is no encyclopedic value in displaying some other. The fact that British flags are in use on this territory is trivial, given the fact that it's a British possession; the space at the top of the infobox is too valuable to waste on such trivialities. Fut.Perf. ☼ 07:52, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I've always seen flags in infoboxes as more a description of "What flag is used to represent this territory?". I feel that this does have encyclopaedic value. In places where dependencies represent themselves, such as sports (although I very much doubt this ever applies to A&D specifically), or political meetings, usually one specific flag is flown. Showing the reader what flag would be used to represent dealings by a certain territory is helpful. An analogy would perhaps be French territories, although in many cases they have specifically legislated that the French national flag is also their official flag. CMD (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag in infobox 

message: Does any one know (by reference to sources) why this territory is not included on the above mentioned ISO list? Thanks. Frenchmalawi (talk) 23:09, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[ISO 3166-1]]   

message: There seems to be confusion about the name of the Administrator of these bases. The panel at the top of the page gives the name Air Vice Marshal (AVM) William Stacey but under the heading "Politics" in the main body of the text, the name of AVM Graham Stacey is given. Are these the same person?
Haynestre (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 23:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Government 

message: As lots of tourists visit Cyprus - so will I do soon - I have a question about access to the zones of Akrotiri and Dhekelia. Are they totally closed, for military reasons? Will Cypriots residing in the zones freely travel in and out? What about us visitors from other countries? Yes, myself I am not even British ... TorSch (talk) 18:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You can freely transit in and out of the SBAs with no passport controls, indeed some of the island's main roads go straight through them. The only places you're not allowed are the actual military installations (such as RAF Akrotiri), which are well signposted and don't block off transit routes to anywhere else. The obvious exception, of course, is the ESBA-TRNC border on the Famagusta Road. SalopianJames (talk) 20:58, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Then I will soon be able to add one (or two) of "European special status areas" to my list of visited countries and areas. TorSch (talk) 21:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourism 

message: There is an image on this page captioned "The UK's potential claim to 2 EEAs off Cyprus". What is an EEA? Is it the same as (perhaps typo for?) exclusive economic zone (EEZ)? Naomhain (talk) 18:35, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  EEA 

message: Does anyone know who operates the A&D postal services? British Post Office? Cyrus postal services? I know they don't have their own stamps, but do they used British or Cyprus stamps? Or something else? Ptilinopus (talk) 14:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Postal services 

message: The paragraph on criticisms and speculation starts with: "On 29 August 2013". Further on it reads: "on 27 August 2013". This anti-chronological way of writing here makes it hard for me to follow the discourse. Is there a purpose for it, is it an error, or could it best be rewritten?Redav (talk) 12:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The 29th August date is a bit overly precise. The particular reference that has been made was published on that date but the ariticle is making a more generalised point. Probably "During August" would be better? Naomhain (talk) 15:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the explanation about the publishing date, I also realized that the tense used was confusing to me. I changed one sentence to: "Two days earlier, on 27 August 2013, the Cypriot foreign minister, Ioannis Kasoulides had moved to calm Cypriot concerns, saying that the British bases were unlikely to play a major part in any intervention."Redav (talk) 21:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms and speculation 

message: The description of territorial waters is unclear and probably contradictory:
Please clarify this. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territorial waters 

message: http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmhansrd/cm130325/text/130325w0002.htm#130325w0002.htm_wqn0 
Cyprus
Andrew Rosindell: To ask the Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs what assessment he has made of whether the UK's sovereign base areas in Cyprus have a territorial water and a claim to a continental shelf; and if he will make a submission to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, in accordance with article 76, paragraph 8, of the United Nations convention on the law of the sea on this matter. [149606]
Mr Lidington: The adjacent territorial sea boundaries between the two sovereign base areas and the Republic of Cyprus are defined in annex A of the treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, 19 August 1960. Presently, both sovereign base areas claim a territorial sea out to three nautical miles but we have reserved our rights to claim up to 12 nautical miles on their behalf, as provided for under the UN convention on the law of the sea (UNCLOS).Alexyflemming (talk) 13:53, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: A. The Parliament of United Kingdom

message: http://books.google.com.tr/books?id=E7-menNPxREC&pg=PA220 
Maritime boundaries: The only maritime boundary settlement reached is with the UK over the sovereign base areas: Akrotiri and Dhekelia (1960).
Cyprus-United Kingdom (Sovereign Base Areas) (1960): The four territorial sea boundaries define for each of the two bases, Akrotiri and Dhekelia, the areas within which Cyprus may not claim territorial waters. They are equidistant or modified equidistant lines, constructed from simplified perpendiculars to the general direction of the coastline. These boundaries were directly influenced by security concerns.
There is a map in page 221! The openings of territorial waters of SBAs of UK is just the same as the one that appears in the right map! Alexyflemming (talk) 14:04, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I did not claim/state UK claims the whole 200-nautical mile territorial sea. I state "potential" EEZ that UK can claim at most according to UNCLOS 1982. See the informatory text below the map. Is it OK for you that an extra word "potential" added to the map?Alexyflemming (talk) 14:23, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: B. Ewan W. Anderso: "International Boundaries: A Geopolitical Atlas"

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message: Princeton wu, you made three edits yesterday that significantly changed the lead. The edits were interconnected, some changes fine but most not, so it was simpler to revert them all rather than pick through each one. I gave the main reason for reverting and asked you to take to talk if you wanted, as you should have as your edits had been reasonably disputed. I have reverted you again for the same reason. Please do not re-revert again before getting consensus here first. "A and D" together form one BOT, which is the subject of this article. That makes them, in this context, a singular noun, requiring 'is', not 'are'. For further debate about this please see the Falkland Islands talk page where a similar dispute occurred recently. Rollback, as I will now do, does not allow a edit summary, which I have given here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Singular or Plural

message: I note that the following is currently at the very end of the Page, under the heading of criticisms etc.
*"Ayios Nikolaos Station, in the ESBA, is an ELINT (electronic intelligence) listening station of the UKUSA Agreement intelligence network.[54] The UKUSA signals intelligence system is sometimes known as "ECHELON".[55]"
This is not really anything to do with the paragraph it is in, but I suggest it is part of what the Page should have a section on-  its Military Use.  I suggest a brief summary of the kind of things it is known to be used for and instances of action.
IceDragon64 (talk) 23:12, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Use