Talk:Common starling

message: Poor picture layout at present, but I expect that the entry will expand a improved it eventually. But then, it's not much of a picture. These things are everywhere, so I'll doubtless get a better one to replace it with before too long. 
Also, should this species be entered as Common Starling? My texts all list it that way. Tannin 10:33 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)
:Most modern American bird books I see call it the European Starling. I don't know which name is more common in the bird's native homeland, but I'm guessing that European Starling is the most common name in the United States. --Evice 21:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Hi,
I live in New York City and despite this I have a keen interest in wildlife. Starlings are fairly common around here and as I read up on them I came to a question: If the UK is losing its starling population, and the U.S. has too many, then why not round up a large amount of them and send them back to where they came from?  I am no expert, but I imagine there are other European countries that might want them as well.
--MK 06:17, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something I have always wondered at... 

message: 'European starlings have a way of appearing in unexpected places — the United States, for example, where they are not native but owe their origin to a brief reference in Shakespeare’s “Henry IV, Part 1.” In 1890, a drug manufacturer who wanted every bird found in Shakespeare to live in America released 60 starlings in Central Park. After spending a few years nesting modestly under the eaves of the American Museum of Natural History, they went from a poetic fancy to a menacing majority; there are now upward of 200 million birds across North America, where they thrive at the expense of other cavity nesters like bluebirds and woodpeckers, eat an abundance of grain — as well as harmful insects — and occasionally bring down airplanes.'
Flight Patterns, By JONATHAN ROSEN, NYT April 22, 2007
-69.87.200.81 14:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  drug manufacturer who wanted every bird found in Shakespeare 

message: My dad told me about how the Starlings are taking over and threatening local bird populations.  He said that they lay an egg in another bird's nest.  The mother bird takes care of it until it hatches.  The baby bird drives out/kills the other babies, but the mother bird continues to take care of the starling.  There's probably a name for this technique.  I think it should be included (by someone who can explain it easily).  (sorry I don't know how to sign posts)  KannD86 01:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: unfortunately the above refers to the Common Cuckoo not the starling. jimfbleak 05:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you live in North America, your dad was probably talking about the Brown-headed Cowbird, another dark bird that is a brood parasite. MeegsC | Talk 08:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How they take over.

message: I think that the comment that Starlings are omnivorous is not accurate enough.  Starlings may eat everything at some point in time but they seem to prefer insects to anything else...many a time I have watched Starlings completely ignore starchy food-sources to focus exclusively on protein-rich insect foods!  Is there any way we could expand this comment to be more accurate?  For example, shouldn't this page contain enough information to discuss how Starlings' diet differs from other "omnivorous" birds such as, say, the common grackle?  Cazort (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Omnivorous 

message: This page desperately needs a vocalizations section!  There's hardly anything said about these on this page, and it's one of the most interesting and important aspects of this species, and relates to virtually all the different sections, and has been studied extensively.  Cazort (talk) 13:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Pity that my inlaws aren't in the area of Kentucky that is currently infested with a large flock, else I'd have them get some call samples for the article.Wzrd1 (talk) 00:32, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocalizations

message: I have a pet starling but whenever I add something on them being pets it get deleted I might be wording it incorectly. So could someone create it a good site is www.starlingtalk.com. Also I think I could supply a good picture. Also there talking abilities (better than African Greys) isnt realy talked about.
--71.101.199.250 (talk) 16:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to have proper references for what you add, otherwise it's WP:OR jimfbleak (talk) 17:34, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starlings as pets/Picture

message: A starling had been going in our garage, then i got it out. It turned out to be very nice, and it really likes me. here are some tips. 
Try to make a connection
Be KIND
carry it around, show it to ppl.
eventually take it in a pet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.13.37.186 (talk) 04:25, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Or wring its neck, blanch it and pull the feathers, then cook it for a snack. This is an encyclopedia article, not a place to post tips on how to harbor and capture an invasive species. That said, if you wish to record audio of the bird calls and upload them, they'd be welcome for the article.Wzrd1 (talk) 00:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking in a Juvinile European Starling 

message: THere is now a starling-specific poison, described in Wiki here: Starlicide . Isn't that worth a link from this page?
58.167.64.35 (talk) 12:20, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starlicide 

message: I have added some statistics from BirdLife International. I cannot believe that this source was not previously used but I cannot find it among the list of references. Can I use the range map to derive the residency/migratory status of different populations? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:40, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: there's a fair bit of overlap with the IUCN source, so that's probably why. Did you notice this link on the BirdLife page, Don't know if it's useful. I can't see why you can't use the map for migration, the Western Palaearctic part (i.e. most of it) is virtually identical to that in Birds of the Western Palaearctic anyway. I read something about some NAm birds establishing migration patterns (like some Canada Geese here), not sure if it was in the pdf I sent you, I'll check later. Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 08:08, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The figure of 140-150 million birds you mentioned ifor North America is half my total population of 310 million! All these figures are estimates and are made at different dates and it is unsurprising that there are inconsistencies. The 310 million figure is referenced to (Rich et al. 2004), a source I think we have not currently got. There is further information on this page. I saw the page you mention above, but all the figures are at least 10 years out of date. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:42, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I propose that we move the "Distribution and habitat" section to immediately before "Status". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:36, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine with me Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 10:26, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Section break for ease of editing

message: How are we doing in terms of content? There's far more stuff out there than we can use (at least a dozen more parasites), although there are some notable gaps — very little myth/legend except the Mabinogion. I'm happy in terms of content with the sections I've been working on, unless you spot anything important that should go in, but I've scarcely looked at Description or any of the Behaviour sections. We should be able to source anything that we need to, either from Freare, JSTOR (I've got one of the free accounts) or elsewhere.
:I have the Introduced birds of the world book by John A. Long now - in North America it gives dates of when it reached particular states in its advancement across the continent. I am happy to add this if you both are not worried that that is going into too much detail. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome! Some more specific information on the bird's advance across America would be good. We have not yet discussed content much but have been going about improving the article piecemeal. Culture/myth/legend is not my favourite pastime but I did add a bit about Mozart! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @Cas, I think that's fine as long as it a selection and not every state. I imagine something like "reached Florida in ... California in ... Washington in ..." would fit the bill, but I'll leave that to your discretion. Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 16:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: @Cwmhiraeth, yes, it needed that to give a bit more substance to that section. I'm surprise in a way that there isn't more starling legend, given the bucketfuls for ravens, robins and wrens, but my searches keep taking me back back to Branwen Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 16:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Content

message: I've removed some repetitive or low quality images, added a mite and a tune, removed forced image sizes and right-aligned for now. feel free to revert anything you don't like. There's room for more images, nice if they are not all starlings (: Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 14:10, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added "upright" to the two subspecies image parameters and they now look better on my screen. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: http://blx1.bto.org/pdf/ringmigration/22_4/smith.pdf mentions that there is an iris colour difference which separated the sexes in about 98% of studied cases. The article however does not describe the specific colour difference though, perhaps it is available in the references mentioned (not available to me) Shyamal (talk) 06:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for that, I can access the BB paper (fwiw, all except the last few years of BB are free to read on line anyway) Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 14:50, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Iris colour differences between the sexes

message: Maybe in the Science and culture section you can add that there are two fictional "species" of Pokemon: Starly and Staravia, named "Starling Pokemon".--MJ for U (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokemon 

message: The Common Starling has been included in the IUCN List of the world's 100 worst invasive species. Possibly something worth mentioning in this article's Benefits and problems section? -- Arjuno (talk  14:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We went to quite a lot of trouble to get a semblance of balance to this section, but perhaps it could go at the end of the second para of the section. Since this is an FA, you will need a proper ref as well as the wikilink Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 14:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- Arjuno (talk  15:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of the world's 100 worst invasive species 

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message: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Common starling, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFAR 

message: The breeding section states that after 6 days the adults cease removing droppings. This seems to be incompatible with the statement at the end of the paragraph that "the nest is kept clean and the chicks' faecal sacs are removed by the adults." I'm confused. Are the faecal sacs only removed for the first 6 days? If so then the faecal sacs need to be mentioned earlier. Aa77zz (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about starlings but in some species once the chicks are old enough they dump over the side of the nest and the parent's don't need to remove the faecal sac. Stub Mandrel (talk) 18:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanliness of nest 

message: Why do people keep reverting the sentence mentioning central america. I changed it to north american border because its confusing to mention central america in a section about north america. If you want to mention central america write a seperate article or make it clear that you mean the border if its under north america. It is misleading. 209.6.197.188 (talk) 02:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reverted your good faith edit. The continent of North America includes all of central America and the Caribbean, although many Americans like to think it's only the English speaking bits that count Jimfbleak - talk to me? 04:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  mentioning central america in section about north amerca 

message: I am a new editor. The suggestion is the images under subspecies is in one column, how can you align the images horizontally, so that the images don't take up so much space. I am sure this is an easy fix, just that I don't really know,  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leohay (talk • contribs) 00:28, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
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message: Isn't the official name, as standardized by the AOU and ABA, European Starling?Aythya affinis (talk) 14:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia policy is not to put much stock in "official" names, instead using names that are in common usage. For birds, article titles mostly are standardised to the IOC bird list (which uses Common Starling) although there are plenty of exceptions. For this species, the English name "European Starling" is mostly used in North America whereas "Common Starling" is used in Australia, New Zealand and Europe. On a quick search I'm not totally sure what name is used in South Africa or by English-speakers in South America. So long story short either name is acceptable on Wikipedia and there is no particular reason to change from the existing "Common Starling" for this article title.Somatochlora (talk) 17:22, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: The map seems to indicate distribution for breeding population (Northern hemisphere). Internet sources tell that non-breeding distribution extends to coasts in Northern China, occasionally Japan, in the east, and further south. 87.94.136.64 (talk) 16:35, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distribution map innaccurate?