Talk:Smith & Wesson Model 10

message: I'ved added information on the S&W Victory Revolver, arguably the best-known version of the S&W M&P series. --Commander Zulu 09:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: S&W Victory

message: I own a Model 10-6 chambered in .357 Magnum. Is there anybody who knows more about these? Would this be a modification, and would it be a common one? It'd make an interesting sidenote for the article if such a thing is common.
:Isn't the 10-6 a .38 Special?  You can fire .38s in a .357, but not the other way around.  Sounds like a mod to me.  I'm not extremely familiar with Smith revolvers though.   Thernlund (Talk | Contribs) 22:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, the 10-6 is normally a .38 Special. Kinda sucks; it's got too light a frame for firing full-load .357 Magnum rounds for my grip. I've found a couple non-sourceworthy refs stating that a "very limited quantity" of these were made in .357 Magnum, including one order from the New York State Police in 1972. Maaaybe I shouldn't take it to the range so often anymore. At any rate, I'm hoping that somebody in the know would know where to find properly-sourceable info for this. Mendaliv (talk) 01:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some blog post pointed me to a book called America's Right Arm. Unfortunately, closest library that has it (according to WorldCat) is the Library of Congress. It's supposed to be entirely on the Model 10. Mendaliv (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  10-6 in .357 magnum? 

message: it says the 38 was popular with troops. i herd that the army adopted the 45.acp because of the weakness of the round, please explain this to me (Esskater11 18:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowhere in the article does it state that it was popular with U.S. troops. It mentions that the cartridge was popular and at another point that it was popular with civilian shooters. Also, the revolver in question was supplied mostly to Commonwealth countries. Furthermore US military forces didn't adopt the .45 ACP to replace the .38 Special specifically. Many cartridges were used at the time, including the .38 Long Colt which you might be thinking of. And finally, popularity is a subjective term and what is popular with troops of civilians or even does not determine military acquisitions. --Deon Steyn 07:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  38 round 

message: The "Interesting Owners" section bothers me a bit, largely because I've never heard of the two Chinese personages mentioned in the section (I see one of them was 2nd President of China, he might just qualify as notable and worthy of inclusion.) Perhaps its worthwhile trimming the section back? --Commander Zulu 09:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting Owners?

message: Congratulations to whoever dated the M&P and .38 special cartridge to 1899.  A few generations ago, somebody went into print that the whole thing started with the M&P of 1902 and the handloading manuals have been getting it wrong ever since.--Mcumpston (talk) 16:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Date of Origin

message: S&W calls this the model 10 now (iirc they have been since the 50's). Could we move this to Smith & Wesson Model 10 and add to the article that it was originally called the Smith & Wesson Military & Police model? Likewise, we could move Smith & Wesson M&P (semi-automatic) to this article and add a note like "For the revolver originally called the M&P, see the Model 10 article". --Philip Laurence (talk) 13:12, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections here, as long as we make sure the redirects from "Smith & Wesson Victory Model" etc. keep working.Commander Zulu (talk) 13:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I've put in a page move request. Wikipedia:Requested_moves#July 20, 2008 --Philip Laurence (talk) 14:11, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the future, please make sure to put some documentation on the talk pages of all articles involved.  I've been monitoring the M&P article and the move came as a rather rude shock.--Lepeu1999 (talk) 16:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move? 

message: Earlier in 2008 someone had collected all of the separate GLOCK pages and put them into a single page called "GLOCK pistols". This reduced the need to have an individual page for models that were so incredibly similar in appearance, caliber, and dimensions. Now there are SO many models of S&W, especially going back to the olden days, that a roundup might be impractical or at least very difficult. Can someone maybe attempt this, like grouping them into "S&W J-Frame", "K_Frame", etc. Maybe an set of overview pages for frame types instead of individual pages for each model for which there is limited or redundant info would be better in many ways. --ocn169 December 24, 2008  —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:45, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting idea in theory, but it's comparing apples to oranges- the S&W Model 10 is a distinct revolver with a lot of history behind it and really does need its own article. The various Glock handguns are all pretty much the same frame in different calibres, with a couple of compact models and sports models thrown in. They don't have the history of most of the S&W Revolvers, IMHO. Commander Zulu (talk) 02:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki Roundup 

message: I've taken it upon myself to begin improving Wikipedia's coverage of the S&W K frame series, to include a K frame master article and features table. (Check back soon!) However, before I start adding Wikipedia articles about missing K frame variants, I would like to hear opinions regarding whether the following M&P revolver variants deserve their own articles or should be included in this one.
* .32-20 Hand Ejector
* .38 Military & Police Target (special-order adjustable rear sight M&P offered prior to introduction of postwar K-38 series)
* .32 Military & Police (special-order .32 S&W Long version of basic M&P, sold poorly)
* Model 11 .38/200 M&P (postwar special-order continuation of .38/200 Victory in .38 S&W, sold poorly)
* Model 45 .22 Military & Police "Post Office Model" (special-order .22 Long Rifle version of basic M&P)
Out of all of these revolvers, I think that the .32-20HE may warrant its own article because it was catalogued as a seperate model, its production run extended for several decades, and well over 10,000 were produced. However, the others seem to be great candidates for inclusion here. Thoughts? Opinions? Carguychris (talk) 16:31, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know on your question.  I did just copy a statement (with a source from a book) about S&W K-frame .357's from the Model 10 page to the Model 65 page.  You can take a look to see if that will help you. Mvialt (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally, variants go on the Parent Firearm's page unless the variant is significantly different in some way. For example, the M4 Carbine is different enough from the M-16 rifle to warrant its own article. As such, I'd say that the K-frame variants belong here- or, better yet, at a Smith & Wesson K Frame revolver page. Commander Zulu (talk) 08:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Carguychris.  Did you ever work on general improvements to the S&W K frame articles?  If so, would you be kind enough to let me and other editors in on what you did, so we could most effectively take a look at them. Mvialt (talk) 22:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Inclusion of other K frame M&P variants

message: on their website, smith and wesson are marketing revolvers under their M&P line. Don't know what frame size they are, or if they're "tactical" variations of established models.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.53.159.220 (talk) 05:39, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  new M&P revolvers 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Smith & Wesson Model 10's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Jones":
From Malta: 
From M1911 pistol: 
From .38 Special: 
From MAC-11: 
From Glock: 
From Pakistan: 
Reference named "Bishop":
From M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle: Bishop, Chris: The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II, p. 239. Sterling Publishing, 2002.
From Lend-Lease: 
From M1 Garand: 
Reference named "TG":
From Thompson submachine gun: 
From Venezuela: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Smith & Wesson Model 10]] 

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Reference named "Banana":
From M1903 Springfield: 
From Thompson submachine gun: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Smith & Wesson Model 10]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Smith & Wesson Model 10's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto":
From World War I: 
From M1 carbine: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Smith & Wesson Model 10]] 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Smith & Wesson Model 10's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Davis":
From M1911 pistol: Davis and Raynor(1976), Safe Pistols Made Even Safer, American Rifleman, Jan. 1976
From Algeria: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Smith & Wesson Model 10]]