Talk:The British Grenadiers

message: This song is always almost always referred to as such.  It is entered as such in anthologies , whether of words or music.  It is also referred to as such in commentary, e.g., the Regimental Quick March of the Grenadier Guards is "The British Grenadiers."  A redirect should exist under British Grenadiers for clarity. … Please share your opinion at Talk:British Grenadiers. --FClef 17:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support, as the creator of this article, I did not know of the alternative name, and a redirect will work fine. Rshu 18:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments
COPIED FROM DISCUSSION ON WIKIPEDIA'S help desk where I visited earlier today 14 June. -- FClef 23:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. 'Fusee' is a very common C18 term referring to lighter muskets carried by grenadiers and light infantry in British Army as well as by junior infantry officers in general. Moreover, 'fusil' initially referred to the first flintlock muskets which obviated the need for slow matches and musket supports and were thus more convenient and safer for assault troops carrying explosive devices. Obviously every soldier, not just the leaders, would  have carried ignition devices to light the grenade fuses.
JF42 (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Rationale'':

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support, as the creator of this article, I did not know of the alternative name, and a redirect will work fine. Rshu 18:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Add any additional comments
COPIED FROM DISCUSSION ON WIKIPEDIA'S help desk where I visited earlier today 14 June. -- FClef 23:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No. 'Fusee' is a very common C18 term referring to lighter muskets carried by grenadiers and light infantry in British Army as well as by junior infantry officers in general. Moreover, 'fusil' initially referred to the first flintlock muskets which obviated the need for slow matches and musket supports and were thus more convenient and safer for assault troops carrying explosive devices. Obviously every soldier, not just the leaders, would  have carried ignition devices to light the grenade fuses.
JF42 (talk) 08:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Today it is played at special events, as a musical tribute to the Ministry of Defence and as a substitute for the Wilhelmus in absence of the monarch.
What has the Wilhelmus got ot do with it? If the British monarch is meant then I can't really believe that the Dutch national anthem is played as a substitute, and if the Dutch monarch is meant: I'm quite sure that in his/her absence other tunes than 'The British Grenadiers' are played. Mvdleeuw (talk) 13:01, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilhelmus? 

message: Several mistaken assumptions here.
The 'pouches' were the large satchels that contained the hand grenades
To clarify- 'Louped clothes' refers to button loops; the exaggerated 'lace' binding around button holes that extended across the breast of the coat. This was part of the 'grenadier' fashion first seen when these units were adopted in western Europe circa 1670. Along with tall caps and moustaches, the uniform imitated the costume of eastern European troops, particularly those serving in the  Austrian army. These in turn may have been influenced by uniforms of elite troops of the Ottoman Turks. This was intended to create an impression of fierceness and barbarity.
Shoulder wings were a distinction added in the 18th century by which time most British infantry had lace binding on the lapels of their coats.
'toe row row' – this simply mimics the beat of drums
JF42 (talk) 08:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Historical terms'  etc- Errors 

message: Article currently  reads in part Some people like a motorbike, Some say a tram for me or for bonnie Annie Laurie, deliberately set to the same melody ("Annie Laurie" being First World War slang for a 3-ton army lorry). Another F&S version begins "Some speak of a Lagonda, some like a smart MG." I assume this is a reference to the Flanders and Swann song A Transport of Delight, from which these words are taken. The prologue to this song does start out with the first line of the tune of The British Grenadiers, but then rather than repeating that line it proceeds to a number of variations on it, with modulations. 
Firstly, to call this a version is a bit of a stretch. It is based on the first line, yes, but it's a new composition.
Secondly, even if it were accurate (which it's not), isn't this original research anyway? Andrewa (talk) 11:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flanders and Swann version 

message: "The first known association of the tune with the regiment is during 1706 as 'The Granadeer's March',"
The writer may want to check his source. "The Grenadiers March" is a different tune, a Slow March played during the annual Trooping of the Colour by the Foot Guards during the stage of the parade when the Colour is actually trooped. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFHYkRZ_n8w
JF42 (talk) 22:58, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:   'The Granadeer's March', 

message: I'm linking to this page from a rewrite of the 1695 Siege of Namur and I wanted to make sure it was current. 
I've updated this to include additional references while some of the original points were at variance with those sources. The link to the Foot Guards re-enactor website wasn't working so I took it out but I've replaced it with others.
Hope that's ok.
Robinvp11 (talk) 11:02, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 Update