Talk:Spanish transition to democracy

message: I don't have this one at hand, but I remember that Allard Lowenstein, who visited Spain as Franco lay dying, wrote something to the effect that the only way you could tell left from right in terms of their sentiments toward Juan Carlos was that the former were shouting "¡Viva el príncipe!" rather than "¡Arriba el príncipe!". If someone has the essay handy, could you please provide the exact quotation and citation? I'd like to get it into the article. And if no one responds, I guess I'll try to find it some time, but I'm a bit too busy for library research these days. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation sought

message: This article needs something on the emergence of an uncensored press. Certainly El País in its early days made major contributions to the process of normalization. For that matter, there should also probably be a section about political ferment during the late years of the Franco regime, including mention of the satire magazine Hermano Lobo. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:29, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, another excellent example. - Jmabel | Talk 05:38, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press 

message: What is the Spanish original of the phrase translate here as "Counsel of the Kingdom"? I suspect that the word should be "Council" (concilio), but perhaps "Counsel" ("consejo") is correct. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Duh. Answered my own question by looking at the linked Spanish-language article, and yes, it is Consejo/ Counsel. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:18, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Counsel" 

message: The article implies that the Law of Political Reform was prepared by Suárez's government. However, I believe that it was really written by the then speaker of the Cortes Torcuato Fernández Miranda. He gave the draft to Suárez with these words: "Aquí te dejo esto que no tiene padre". MJGR 09:25, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. - Jmabel | Talk 05:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law of Political Reform 

message: The article says that "The Tribunal de Orden Público (TOP), a sort of Francoist secret police, was dissolved." I don't think the TOP was a secret police but simply a special court for a specific type of crimes. Could somebody explained what was the intended meaning of that paragraph? It seems it has to be changed. MJGR 09:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tribunal de Orden Público 

message: Not quite sure about the title for this article. Shouldn't it be Spain's transition to democracy? --Technopat 01:02, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think not. Historians almost always call it the "Spanish transition to democracy". And I just did the Google test: 16,400 G-hits vs. 705. But I'll add the other as a redirect, if it hasn't already been done. - Jmabel | Talk 21:48, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  language doubt 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Tejero golpe.jpg

message: The very title of this article is misleading. Spain did NOT become a Democracy after the death of Franco. Rather, it became a Constitutional Monarchy. Democracy is a completely different system of government (look at Ancient Athens).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.211.234.238 (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree: The current definition of democracy is not the same exact thing as the system that existed in ancient Athens; a monarchy can perfectly be a democratic system (see liberal democracy); the change of chief of state in 1975 was also accompanied by real changes to the political process that effectively turned a dictatorship into a free country.  Leafcat (talk) 15:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: A Misnomer

message: There is no mention of the fragile state of Spain under heavy debt and and cost of borrowing: what is expert assessment of the risk to democratic political structure in Spain ?
Please note that Canada and several other nations with stable democratic institutions are constitutional monarchies with a legal head of state who is not a President with executive powers and that membership in a Privy Council of the monarch has not undermined representative government anymore than, say, Canada's unelected Senate. Brief martial law in Canada starting in 1970 has been offset by a subsequent Bill of Rights.  Emphasis should be placed on separation of Judiciary and protections of rights of assembly and expression of dissent.  Imperfect, but 'democratic' and without violent revolutions or military dictatorship.
G. Robert Shiplett 10:51, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2008 to 2012 

message: This article contains a reference to a Wikipedia entry for the Moncloa Pact. However, that article doesn't exist and links through to this article. Unfortunately this article doesn't contain further information on this pact.83.85.50.92 (talk) 18:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moncloa Pact