Talk:Treasure map

message: The OED has no entry for "treasure map". It has: 
:treasure-box, -chamber, -chest, -coffer, -digger, -galleon, -giver, hoard, -hunter, -hutch, -keeper, -room, -seeker, -ship, -store, -vault, etc..
I guess "treasure map" falls under the "etc" category. --Stbalbach 00:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OED

message: This article has been mistakenly composed to deal with treasure maps in only a fictional sense. The fact remains that treasure maps did not come simply from the imagination of one author, as I have recently added to the article. I will point out that the title of this article is not Pirate Treasure Maps, but is simply rather Treasure Map. This article should be broken up to deal with these maps in both the fictional and non-fictional sense, as I intend to do. Regardless if reality has been imitating art, or vice versa, maps leading to treasure DO exist, and anyone disputing this can be proven wrong by anyone else who decides to bury something, and then draw a map to its location. PMHauge 06:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the article was originally focused on Pirate treasure maps, which, despite that external links items for sale, I don't believe pirate treasure maps ever existed in reality. Are you sure other treasure maps existed before literature created the idea? I agree it does seem logical they would, but what are they? Also if you want to focus the article on treasure maps in general, why the stereotypical description of treasure maps which is just a re-hash of the stereotype that Stevenson created (or really popularized). -- Stbalbach 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I don't see why the article has to focus on pirate treasure maps. It seems important to highlight the stereotypes of treasure maps, but I think there is some historical stuff that can be added. For example, as far back as 1595, Sir Walter Raleigh had set out on expeditions to search for Eldorado, a mythical city of gold. Several maps had been used in this expedition, and from his maps created during his expeditions, other cartographers included Eldorado on their maps of South America. I have some books that I will use as reference in the article. Treasure Hunters continue to exist today and seek out fortunes based on sometimes crude maps of shipwrecks, or other encoded charts. PMHauge 16:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just saying, this article was about pirate treasure maps, but I'm not advocating it stay that way, but it was correct in that context. -- Stbalbach 14:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Check out this site on Captain Kidd: http://www.pfrh.supanet.com/HISTORYBODY.htm and then this one which appears to be from the same author, but under an updated URL http://www.captainkidd.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/THECHARTS.htm It would appear that Captain Kidd did have some maps out there leading to his treasure. I really hate to delete your reference again, but I think it is clear that treasure maps have and do exist, as well as pirate treasure maps. Whether it was Cooper or Stevenson who first put the idea of a treasure map into fiction, it seems quite obvious that the device of a treasure map did not spring from their own imagination. PMHauge 17:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, those are some controversial sites, I wouldn't call them reliable sources. The scholarly sources from the professionals say: no pirate treasure maps. -- Stbalbach 14:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The author Edward Rowe Snow provides details of successful treasure hunts that he’s conducted using an old pirate treasure map and also independent instructions (that is, not accompanied by a map.) So, if one believes his accounts then treasure maps exist, but if one decides that he’s no scholar then, maybe, they don’t. As the publications would be considered RS then, surely, one might acknowledge from the outset that (pirate) treasure maps do exist historically. I respectfully submit that if scholars and professionals have not discovered such material in their research, or have omitted to inform their readership of its existence, then they’re not exactly scholarly or professional, and perhaps deserve not to be referenced as authorities! Megarak (talk) 19:59, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

text: The subject matter of the above web sites - the so-called Palmer and Wilkins Kidd treasure maps - is well documented in published sources. So, why not refer to these RS publications instead? Megarak (talk) 20:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reality vs. fiction 

message: I was about ready to delete the sentence of the article regarding National Treasure due to the fact that there isn't an actual map per-say used in the film. What I think the author of this sentence was referring to is the cryptogram on the back of the Declaration of Independence that gave the characters vague and cryptic directions on how to find the treasure. This got me thinking about how such things should be incorporated into the article since they do seem related. In The Gold Bug by Edgar Allen Poe, the character stumble upon a cryptogram which read as follows:
 53‡‡†305))6*;4826)4‡.)4‡);806*;48†8
 ¶60))85;1‡(;:‡*8†83(88)5*†;46(;88*96
 *?;8)*‡(;485);5*†2:*‡(;4956*2(5*—4)8
 ¶8*;4069285);)6†8)4‡‡;1(‡9;48081;8:8‡
 1;48†85;4)485†528806*81(‡9;48;(88;4
 (‡?34;48)4‡;161;:188;‡?;
The decoded message is:
 A good glass in the bishop's hostel in the devil's seat
 forty-one degrees and thirteen minutes northeast and by north
 main branch seventh limb east side shoot from the left eye of the death's-head
 a bee line from the tree through the shot fifty feet out.
Once again, we are not dealing with a map here, but rather directions that lead to a buried treasure. While I am not proposing an article be created entitled Treasure Directions, I'm looking for some feedback as to how these variations can and/or should be incorporated. Perhaps I'll take a pass at it myself, but I'd like to hear others thoughts. PMHauge 14:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure you could write a book about it and extend the meaning of "treasure map" in many directions. At some point it becomes original research to call things Treasure Maps without support from a RS, but it depends on how it is worded. -- Stbalbach 14:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treasure Maps and Treasure Directions 

message: Much of this article is a copy-paste of stuff already in the treasure article. See Talk:Treasure#Duplication. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 15:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication 

message: Is not a map.  139.138.6.121 (talk) 01:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copper Scroll