Talk:2004 Summer Olympics/Archive 1

message: what does "they had a bid that was not only founded on their tradition" mean? Kingturtle 02:22, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

message: This is only the fourth time a duplicate has been made in the city of a Summer Olympic game, after:
*1924 was a duplicate of 1900 (Paris)
*1948 was a duplicate of 1908 (London)
*1984 was a duplicate of 1932 (Los Angeles)
Are there any general rules about duplicates?? 66.32.149.57 01:01, 26 Apr 2004
: 1948 London nobody else wanted to hold it; 1908 I don't think there was a selection process. Dunc_Harris|☺ 17:30, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, 1908 Rome was supposed to hold it but Mt Vesuvius blew off and it had to be moved.  Dunc_Harris|☺ 23:15, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: No personal attacks. Thanks. ❝Sverdrup❞ 19:41, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicates 

message: The flags seem to be full-size versions shrunk down on display.  The full size image still has top download.  This is poor design and I feel sorry for the poor suckers with dial-up.  Nelson Ricardo 20:20, Aug 11, 2004 (UTC)
:No, actually the server thumbnails them and serves images that are the size specified. The flag thumbnails seem to be only about 0.5 KBs each. ❝Sverdrup❞ 20:35, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags 

message: Just wondering, isn't North and south Korea going as a united team under that blue flag? Colipon 01:06, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that they are walking under one flag for the opening ceremony to try and show unity, but are competing in the events under their individual country ie; North or South as all of the athletes and teams listed on the athens 2004 website show them under their respective flags.Scraggy4 01:44, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea 

message: "Following the September 11, 2001 attacks, the risk of a terrorist attack is much higher." 
According to who, exactly? I find this statement controversial, and it should at least be attributed. --Sam Francis
:To clarify, I don't think the risk of terrorist attack is very different after 11.09.2001, but the ability of people to imagine it happening is probably much higher as a consequence of that event. --Sam Francis
::That's a good point. The odds really haven't changed so much, we've just become more aware that it can happen. The Games are probably more secure, in fact, because of the insane amount of money being expended on security. Sam, you posted that message literally less than a second before I was ready to post mine ;) --cookiecaper
:::Thought I might have interrupted someone's answer! Anyway, I think it should be changed to reflect the management's increased concern over security, signalled by increased budget for it, and possibly find out what reasons they have given for this expenditure, and whether or not it is specifically because of a perceived increase in the threat of terrorism, or perhaps because of the increased awareness and fear of terrorism, as we've both noted. --Sam Francis 18:55, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Risk of terrorism 

message: I believe it is perfectly valid for Europeans/EUians to be able to see how the region has fared as a whole. I've substantially edited the accompanying text on European Union Olympic medals count for 2004 though. A united EU team is patent nonsense. However, I have described the potential for co-operation amongst EU member states. I would like to put in a link to this page if it survives VfD. Please view the page again, comment, and/or vote here. Thanks. <B>zoney</B> ███ <B>talk</B> 01:08, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, IMO, you will not get a realistic picture of performance of the EU as the competitors as a "group" will have more of a statistical chance of winning medals than other political "units" such as the USA and Russian Federation, who each as a single olympic country can only field as many athletes in a single event as each of the individual EU nations (yes I know not every EU nation will be in each event but there is more of a chance of there being more in one event).  I am not saying you should not represent EU medals, I am just questioning its usefulness as a guage to measure success, as there will be no other comparible "group" Dainamo 20:54, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Purpose of this tally

message: The volleyball page had reached 36kb so I have split the men's and women's beach volleyball off into their own articles. I have used Template:VolleyballAt2004SummerOlympics to maintain consistency as it matches the one used for the swimming. I will move the indoor volleyball tomorrow unless someone beats me to it. This will now give space for a write up for each of the events. If anyone knows anybody in athens at the moment we could do with a few nice little photo's.Scraggy4 23:38, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The official Olympics website lists Beach Volleyball and Volleyball as two different sports.  If it is split between beach and indoor, do we actually need to split men's and women's as well?  It would be nice to use as few pages as necessary for each sport. - Jonel 00:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it this way so that it matched the format of Swimming at the 2004 Summer Olympics. As this will no doubt have to happen for some of the other events I felt that if all split pages for the olympics were divided the same way it would be easier for the reader to use as they will be faced by the same format for each event that may have to be split. I feel that consistency is more important than trying to save just a couple of article pages.Scraggy4 10:13, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  splitting of volleyball page 

message: This isn't specific to the 2004 games, but I thought I would post this question here as this page gets a lot of edits these days, and more people are likely to see it - plus it gets traffic off the village pump page.
I noticed a page for a silver medallist has appeared on VFD.  By the looks of it, this is likely to stay.  But what do people think of the idea that every Olympic athlete (medal winner or not) should have a wiki article?  All athletes?  Individual (non-team sports) athletes only?  Including or not including members of relay teams?
Is it Ok for them to have empty links?  Stubs?  A name, birthdate, location and events entered is still better than none at all.  I also noted all links on the "sub-articles" (Swimming at the 2004 Summer Olympics, etc) have been wiki'ed in advance.
I think this should be discussed before I wikilink every name listed at Australia at the 2004 Summer Olympics :) -- Chuq 06:13, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I advocate allowing an article if someone writes it by hand, but would discourage scrapeing every athelete from a database (a la Rambot) assuming such a thing is available. Pcb21| Pete 16:16, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason not to link them but they only need linking once from each event, there is no point linking competitors in the first round heats of an event then again in the second and again in the third etc. As the medal winners will be linked from that particular events medal table they don't relly need to be linked further on. In the prevailing months my aim is to try!!! and write rtcls for every competitors at the games that I can find information on. There are already dozens of baseball players with short stubby articles virtually nobody outside the U.S. has heard of so I see no reason not to write rtcls on other sportspeople many of whom are widely known in the other parts of the world. As Pete says above they should not just be copied and pasted from elsewhere but time given to try and research them so interesting can be written and if they already linked this will help readers find them.Scraggy4 16:41, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pages for olympic competitors 

message: AFAK some "countries" competing in Olympics and listed here are really not "countries". Virgin islands, Portoriko, Guam, Micronesia FS, Hong Kong, Cayman islands, British virgin islands come to my mind. There are also some others for which one could discuss the issue :), however i think  we should put a note somewhere on the page!
: Every entity listed in our list has its own National Olympic Committee (NOC) and is recognized by the International Olympic Committee as a separate entity.  They compete under their own flag and are identified officially as a member of that nation.  "Nation" is probably a more accurate word to describe them; but there is no need to note sovereignty status on the Olympics page. - Jonel 19:26, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd just like to point out that the country list includes entries for the British Virgin Islands, the U.S. Virgin Islands, and the Virgin Islands!  Clearly one should go -- but I'm not sure which! --199.105.191.2 18:13, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oops.  The U.S. Virgin Islands compete as Virgin Islands.  Removed the erroenous one. - Jonel 19:28, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countries 

message: Can one of you people that's any good with tables take a look at the Volleyball page? The tables there could do with some work. Ambi 00:26, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Volleyball tables

message: I have created a new category, :Category:Athletes at the 2004 Summer Olympics, and I've started to add the category tag to the athletes' articles.  If you start an article for an athlete competing in the 2004 Games, please add the category tag.  Thanks!  :-) --bdesham 17:25, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have mentioned at :Category talk:Athletes at the 2004 Summer Olympics I feel the name of this category is somewhat misleading and suggest it be renamed. something like Olympians at the 2004 Summer Olympics would be a better to show that it covers all competitors not just those taking part in athletics. Scraggy4 22:29, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Started placing people in the Olympians at the 2004 Summer Olympics category. - Jonel 23:37, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I added a notice to :Category:Athletes at the 2004 Summer Olympics asking people to use that category for athletics participants only.  I'm going to start categorizing some of the people in that category now.  --bdesham 04:56, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm categorizing, and have a question... should synchronized swimmers be placed in :Category:Swimmers at the 2004 Summer Olympics? or should they get their own category?  --bdesham 05:02, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not so sure this category is useful, at least in the long term. It's very long, and what about those who've competed at three or four olympics? :Category:Olympians, broken down into :Category:Olympic swimmers and such would seem to make more sense to me. Ambi 10:19, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  If athletes have competed in more than one Olympics, then they can be placed into more than one category, as applicable.  That's the beauty of the category system: articles can be placed into as many categories as are relevant.  --bdesham 16:27, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  New category for athletes 

message: Just thought I would point out Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sports_Olympics - for the huge amount of people editing Olympics articles, the WikiProject seems quite deserted.  I have made a page Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sports_Olympics/Articles which can be used to keep track of the huge amount of articles related to this games, as well as games of the past.  Due to it being a newly created sub-page it probably isn't going to show up on peoples watchlists so I thought I would spam it here :) -- Chuq 13:08, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Sports Olympics 

message: As has been pointed out (to no response) on a few of the sport talk pages (e.g. Talk:Boxing at the 2004 Summer Olympics), the pictograms used on a number of the sport pages are copyrighted by the Athens Organizing Committee.  I personally don't think these images fall under the fair use exception; but I possess little lawyerosity, so I'm just bringing it up here. -- Mike J. 00:20, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my personal opinion that these images should go - they are in no means an example of fair use - they're not a logo like the olypic rings that we can't avoid using - we're just stealing someone else's graphics! Tompagenet 13:45, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree. Since this problem would likely repeat itself at future Games, perhaps we could create a set of our own pictograms for all Olympic sports, and release them under GFDL? Matthewmayer 10:11, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictograms = copyvio? 

message: For the pages on the individual sports (i.e., Archery at the 2004 Summer Olympics), do we want the table to be of medals by country or top 8 placings by country? - Jonel 06:51, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed before. I was granted permission to make these tables after the games were completed, to avoid confusion. If it's an aesthetics thing, why dont we sugges ways to improve the tables? Earl Andrew 06:59, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  Where was this discussed? I don't remember that. - Jonel 17:46, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  [Quote from the medals talk page] Thanks for the reply Andrew, I did notice on the athletics for example that space had been made for upto eigth place. I don't think that this will harm the medal tables reverting to the standard usage as these extra places would not be taken into consideration in the ranking normally. I think that the best idea would be to revert to IOC standards at the end of today when all results have been completed and checked, then possibly create a separate page(linked from the main medal table) rating all countries by the top eight finishes as I agree this would make interesting details. I presume you will rank upto eigth place using the system that the IAAF use in the World and continental cups ie; 8 points for 1st down to 1 point for eigth. I had already decided, as there was lack of suggestions as to why the currebt system is as is, to revert all the tables at the end of the today. If you feel like helping I am more than willing to split the sports up between us for speed, but I'll probably be awake most of the night to do it, as I have broken my ankle and am finding it hard to sleep at the moment. Scraggy4 21:43, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medals/Top 8 

message: Can we have some second opinions on the copyright status of the photos at Athena and Phevos - see talk:Athena and Phevos and User talk:Matthewmayer
:I really don't know if anything could be done anymore. According to the official site, even the '04 Olympics logo is protected by strong copyrights, and it's still on this article's page. Nobody bothered removing it, so I wonder if anyone even knows. – Mackeriv 13:53, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Athena and Phevos 

message: There are a lot of pictures. I moved some of them around a bit, but I think it would be sensible to keep some of them on that page and have the others at a 'Images of the 2004 Summer Olympics' page. Thelb4 20:14, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't generally have image pages, as they would not be encyclopedia articles - putting them on Wikimedia Commons would be more useful. Ambi 14:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

text: All I'm saying is if someone with a bit more knowledge than me put them somewhere else, I think the page would look a lot tidier. Thelb4 15:48, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup... 

message: I think with new donations for Wikipedia we can  help update the other Olympic Games.  The official Olympic site has the medal winners since the beginning of the games so we can use that site for updating the other articles.  tdwuhs
:The way to find that is to go to here, click on the particular games you want, and in the right-hand column, a little way down, it will say:
.........
OLYMPIC RESULTS
Medals by country
Click on that link, and a medal table will appear. Thelb4 21:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement