Talk:Siren (alarm)

message: The article includes the text "sound power (123 dB at 10 feet)".  As it stands this is ambiguous.  Its most likely meaning is one of:
* sound power level of 123 dB (re unspecified unit)
* sound pressure level of 123 dB (re 20 μPa) at 10 ft
* sound level of 123 dB(A) at 10 ft
Does anyone know which of these (if any) is correct?  Thunderbird2 (talk) 15:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound power 

message: Right.  Like I said.  It reads like an installation manual.
108.7.168.116 (talk) 04:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Best Practices" section reads like an installation manual 

message: Please put the noisemaker on first place on the "siren" disambiguation page.
No sane person expects anything else than the noisemaker and THEN the Greek mythological creature when he searches for a "siren". The other stuff has to be placed much lower.
92.223.44.112 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 04:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation page 

message: There are two references provided for "John Robison" and his "musical sirens".  I can't speak for the one in German, but the English reference given mentions neither Robison, sirens, nor the year 1799.  I suggest it be replaced with a suitable reference, or at least removed.  If a suitable reference can't be found to support the assertion that Robison invented the siren in 1799 and applied it to organs, then perhaps this entire section needs to be rewritten, to reflect actual, verifiable history?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Is this statement really accurate? "Most fire sirens are single tone and mechanically driven by electric motors with a rotor attached to the shaft. Some newer sirens are electronically driven by speakers, though these are not as common." In my own following of siren enthusiasts online and just general observations in the communities I visit, electronic sirens are becoming the norm, at least in the U.S. Municipalities see them as the cheaper alternatives (less maintenance, lower manufacturing cost, etc.). Even in my own city, nearly all the 1000Ts have been decommissioned in favor of the more popular 2001s. --RKrause (talk) 16:34, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, that's out of date, at best it's no longer a global view, if it ever was. Not sure how to source that information, though. Andrewa (talk) 05:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Electronic are not as common? 

message: I would like to suggest a name change for this article - the name "noisemaker" is a vague description and could apply to a myriad devices. Paul venter (talk) 09:17, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree sort of, see #Alarms and musical instruments below... perhaps we even need a new article, one scoped to alarm devices. Andrewa (talk) 17:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Siren (acoustic alarm)? 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: No move. Cúchullain t/c 03:22, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is no argument at all that has been made in favor of the alarm. Nor could there be, unless I'm way off. (It's happened before.) Red Slash 02:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There could be, but let's not worry about that, and just make Siren be a disambig page.  No primary is needed or sensible here.  Dicklyon (talk) 03:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

text: It's true that I'm putting no argument at all... in favor of the alarm. The suggestion is rather that there is no primary topic. In support of this, the two arguments in favour of the mythological creature being the primary topic are examined, and both found wanting. Andrewa (talk) 01:55, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Based on this result, an RM to implement the proposal to make Siren a disambig page has been opened at Talk:Siren#Requested move.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:33, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 15 January 2014

message: The claim that the mythological creature is the primary topic above seems to rest on the pageview statistics and the history of the name (the claim that the noisemaker is named after the creature).
The second argument, regarding the name's history, is completely contrary to policy, to the point that I'm a bit surprised that it's even raised here by an experienced editor. Where does WP:AT give any support at all to it? 
Regarding the claim (made several times above) that the pageview statistics alone settle the issue, please note that the guideline explicitly rejects this argument. See Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Determining a primary topic: There are no absolute rules for determining whether a primary topic exists and what it is... Tools that may help to support the determination of a primary topic in a discussion (but are not considered absolute determining factors...) include:... Wikipedia article traffic statistics or Wiki ViewStats traffic statistics (my emphasis, with ... indicating my snip of omitted text).
There may be valid arguments that the mythological creature is the primary topic, but we don't yet have any above. Andrewa (talk) 16:08, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But there is no argument at all that has been made in favor of the alarm. Nor could there be, unless I'm way off. (It's happened before.) Red Slash 02:04, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There could be, but let's not worry about that, and just make Siren be a disambig page.  No primary is needed or sensible here.  Dicklyon (talk) 03:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

text: It's true that I'm putting no argument at all... in favor of the alarm. The suggestion is rather that there is no primary topic. In support of this, the two arguments in favour of the mythological creature being the primary topic are examined, and both found wanting. Andrewa (talk) 01:55, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
Based on this result, an RM to implement the proposal to make Siren a disambig page has been opened at Talk:Siren#Requested move.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:33, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Opppose.  Once you've read about the nekkid chicks luring sailors to their doom, if you were in fact looking for the acoustical device, "noisemaker" would be nicely re-assuring. A "device" is so...bloodless. Anything could be a "device", and I can't wait to read the Wikipedia article about silent sirens using to process Russian bread dough, or some such foolishness (which the noismaker article wouldnt' be about, anyway). --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:02, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Siren (noisemaker)#History, ...the first siren was invented by the Scottish natural philosopher (physicist) John Robison.[3] Robison's sirens were used as musical instruments.... According to Siren (noisemaker)#In music, Sirens are also used as musical instruments, such as... (... shows omitted text of course). Next question? Andrewa (talk) 03:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked when is a siren used that isn't an alarm? The only notable use of sirens in music are in the compositions of Varese and Varese stipulated that the sirens should be New York City fire sirens - which are alarms. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:23, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: And I answered that question. See #Notable uses of the siren for discussion of your latest reply and claim, and also #Alarms and musical instruments. Andrewa (talk) 22:10, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

text: (I hope the adjusted stringing is acceptable) Acoustic siren is suggested below as an alternative name for this article. Is that better or worse in your opinion? Andrewa (talk) 06:47, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I just stumbled onto some videos on YouTube showing steam sirens in operation.  They appear to be a special case of pneumatic siren, using superheated steam to spin the turbine wheel instead of compressed air.  These were commonly used on ships in the 20th century, particularly as alarms on naval vessels.  They make a characteristic "whoop-whoop-whoop" sound, with each successive sweep being in a higher pitch range as the turbine accelerates.  They produce a faint whine without steam passing through them that is only audible when one is very close to the siren, so at a distance it sounds like a series of whoops, broken by silence.  The mode of operation as a ship alarm appears to be by momentarily actuating a spring-loaded valve with a pull cord or a solenoid valve with a remote pushbutton switch to produce short blasts of steam through the mechanism.  I think a description of steam sirens should be included in the article for completeness. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)T @ 23:26, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steam sirens 

message: The article reads like pneumatic sirens were either driven from a compressed air tank or, when electricity became available, from a motor. However, hand cranked sirens (and steam sirens) have been in use (and some are still, for "recreational" purposes). --Klaws (talk) 09:26, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hand cranked siren 

message: In the "Pneumatic" section, the text claims that the Q2B siren has an input of 280 amps, saying "Because of its high current draw (280 amps when power is applied)". It notes that a citation is needed. However, the data sheet lists the "Operating Current" as 100 Amps. The page used to say 100 amps, but on 25 March 2007, a non-logged-in user with the ip address 65.124.41.131 changed it to 280 without a citation and even without an edit summary. If no one disagrees, I will change it back to 100 amps and add a citation. Thank You.
Sincerely,
Rafaelmanman (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You can go ahead and change it. It's a small change, no need to ask. --Aug wiki 1257 (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information Error concerning energy input