Talk:Golden Path (Dune)

message: " ... becoming the second and final Kwisatz Haderach"
The Tleilaxu at some point admitted to breeding (growing?) their own Kwisatz Haderach.  I'm sorry I cannot remember which book or where this reference is; as I'm about to read the whole series again I will repost when I find it, but hopefully someone else will know where this reference is.
(This would be, chapter 3 of Dune Messiah.)
Duncan Idaho is the natural and final Kwisatz Haderach, as shown in "Sandworms of Dune" - in the last few chapters of the book. This book was written by Brian Herbert & Keven J Anderson, from material that was found after the death of Frank Herbert. (Please refer to the Author notes in: "Hunters of Dune, by Brian Herbert and Keven J Anderson  for more details). 
--Gentlemansubaru (talk) 12:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More than two Kwisatz Haderach 

message: It's not often people can put good comments about articles on wikipedia, but I think this one deserves to be on the frontpage someday. It encompasses the whole meaning of the golden path on a deeper level that I could have ever explained it, not to mention being fantastically philosophical, which usually detracts from a subject, but with this one was absolutely necessary. Its brilliant to be able to re read the books with a greater understanding. So thankyou.
: Agreed! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.67.53.71 (talk) 10:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thankyou 

message: This needs to be removed from this article (and all articles about the original six books) as it is simply inaccurate.  This is (unfortunately) a product of the "new canon" that KJA has put out.  NOWHERE in any of the books is the term "artificial spice" used. Nor is "amal" or "ajidimal" or "synthetic spice" or any other such nonsense.  The BT were making actual melange in the axlotl tanks and is always referred to as "spice" or "melange"--the terms "synthetic" or "artificial" are never used.. Tleilax Master B 19:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why are you bringing this up? Do you have something you want added to this article or are you just trying to start an argument? We keep the new books and the originals in seperate sections here on WP as much as possible because the new authors contradict Frank's work so much. Canon or not, we can argue about that all day. I'd recommend anything you want to add on the subject of the Golden Path concerning the new books should be posted here in the talk section first so it can be discussed, because this is the one part of Dune that they messed up worse than any other. ATOE (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't bite the newbies, LOL. I saw his comment earlier but as Gentlemansubaru has only about six edits (all comments on this page), I am assuming he/she is simply unaware of the voluminous discussion around here on the new books and the notes, and was just adding what he thought was "new info" to this discussion. I don't think there was anything else intended. Obviously Tleilax Master B's 2007 comment was followed up with a separation within the article of the BH/KJA stuff, so all is well.— TAnthonyTalk 20:51, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough! ATOE (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see that I have a lot to learn about Wikipedia. It was not my intention to start anything. I should have remember that this is for the article at hand. Your patience and advice have been taken. Hopefully I will not make the same mistake twice. The article itself is very good. I thank the author. Once again: It was never my intention to start an argument. I just added what I thought was a good reply to what was written before. However, I do see now that I should restrict all comments to the article at hand. I am a noobie. Thanks once again for your patience and understanding. :)--Gentlemansubaru (talk) 05:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, I'm relatively new too. Sorry for jumping on you like that. ATOE (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "tleilaxu artificial spice"

message: Reading through this article I don't think this should be split into three so called hybrids as the focuss of how Leto put the Golden Path into motion, disregarding the number one most important part of the GP: the Scattering. Also - the Fish speakers section makes no sense at all, and talks about Leto creating them on purpose to seed the universe with latent Honored Matres? Where is THAT coming from?! I'm pretty sure that is never said even close to clearly in the books. Does anyone else have any major changes to suggest? I'm going to have to sit down with my Dune PDFs and re-write a lot of this article I think. ATOE (talk) 04:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Three Great Hybridizations?

message: The article states the words "secher nbiw" are Chakobsa. Is there a reference for this? I had thought the words were Ancient Egyptian (maybe sXr = plan and nb = gold), but I don't have a source for that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.201.180 (talk) 07:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language of "Secher Nbiw" 

message: I removed a bunch of stuff that was pretty biased, and added a few new paragraphs on some details. There are a couple parts I haven't worked over: the Atreides/Bene Gesserit section and the Fish Speaker section especially, although the Fish Speaker section is okay. There are a few parts where I will go into the books in the next couple of days and pull references straight from the text (such as Paul's inability to see Ghanima, and Alia's inability to see the father of her child). I noted in the article some of those spots with a refnec. I am completely not done here, but I think I did a good amount of preliminary work. Please respond and feel free to contribute. I would especially love to hear some thoughts on what else should be included. SSBDelphiki (talk) 13:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay I was totally wrong about something. Paul was able to see Ghanima in his visions, but not Leto. Anyone have any ideas why this would be so? If the regular prescience-veil was the reason, why would he be able to see either of the pre-born twins? SSBDelphiki (talk) 14:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Leto was a Kwisatz Haderach greater than that of even his father. Jackal Killer (talk) 19:21, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major rehaul 

message: The Golden Path is a central theme in taoism.
Some times called the way and some times called the golden path, because it is the path between to extreme options. 
Should you banned smoking or allow smoking anywhere.?
Or find the golden path between those two extremes.?
The central book of Tao, is called "Tao Teh Ching" and written by Lao Tzu.
Which some times is called "the classic way of virtue" or "the Classic Golden Path".
I have only read 2 of the books, so I'm writing this only on the talking page.(Jesper 20/02-2012)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.82.201.96 (talk) 08:23, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Tao and The Golden Path 

message: Contention: The article and its lead should be primarily about the "Golden Path" in Frank Herbert's Dune series. A short section for its use in Brian Herbert's and Kevin Anderson's book would be appropriate. A separate section is needed, so that a clear distinction is made, for the enlightenment of readers. The current melding of the two in the lead and the sections Necessity of the Golden Path and Krazilec is a confusion of the reality of the situation. And real-world perspective should rule! Herbert Properties LLC can call the new books "canon" all they like, but the *reality* of the situation is that there are books by Frank Herbert, and derivative books written by others after he died, and the encylopedia should be respecting the real-world perspective, and not be conflating the two.Aliveness Cascade (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is New-Dune and FH-Dune being treated as co-equal here?