Talk:MVDDS

message: There is no where in any of the references that state "MDS International began developing the MVDDS technology in the 1980s. By 1996, their service offering was used in 20 countries around the world." or anything like this. Please do not restore this and just state it is substantiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WizardOfWor (talk • contribs) 01:48, March 30, 2007
:From Bonisteel, Steven. "MDS Gains Ground In Bid To Share Satellite Spectrum - Company Business and Marketing", Newsbytes News Network, The Washington Post Company, May 8, 2001:
::Kirkpatrick said MDS's technology - which it began developing in the mid-1980s and has branded "HyperCable" - has been used in 20 locations around the world since 1996.
:Please take the time to read the references, especially since these were the references you originally used for the article.  Also, you may again wish to read WP:OWN and consider that you need to give other editors room to edit articles that you create.  Thanks and happy editing. Shell babelfish 03:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can provide a reference showing that the statements are untrue, I'll be happy to update the article.  Please understand that legal threats are not acceptable on Wikipedia and will result in your editing privileges being suspended indefinitely until such time as you retract these threats. Shell babelfish 14:58, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced 

message: "Regarding your comments
Wikipedia has policies of no legal threats and no personal attacks. Please read and follow these policies. Thank you. --Fang Aili talk 13:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Fang Ali to jeanclauduc 

message: MVDDS did not exist until 2000 when the FCC created the Acronym.So putting a comment from someone invloved and not marking this as a comment is deceptive. I can only do so much to coorect this as I will eventuially get blocked. 
I and I think large numbers of people are seeing the PERVERSION of Jimbo Wales' dream by a few determined people. 
Please see the Serious Referencing problem section of this page for good comments from someone not involved in a "edit war" with Admins. killing the dream WizardOfWor 09:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war and Cheating the Law 

message: I am in the process of rewriting the MVDDS court case discussion.  I believe this version doesn't sufficiently describe Northpoint's involvement.  More importantly, it completely identifies the technology with MDS America, even though at the time, it was licensed to them by MDS International. (I have no idea about the current status of relations between those two firms, and, since I found no sources that cover this, I plan to omit that.) nadav 22:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been immersing myself in the Northlight, MDSA, MDSI, cases today. Can you point me specifically to what you mean (via urls)? I have read all the talk pages, but I may have missed something. As far as I know by looking online, nothing has appeared about the MDSA v. MDSI case.  All I have is articles dating from 2003 and before (focusing on the Northlight case) which all call MDSA a licensee, as well as statements by Mr. Kirkpatrick that indicate MDSA used MDSI technology. (The opinion federal cir. court opinion indicated that only MDSI did not infringe the Northlight claims, for what it's worth)  So this satisfies wikipedia verifiability standards at least.  I will be sure to give the correct date for every statment though, in case MDSA's status has changed. nadav 00:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed 

message: Here's the text from the History section:
The MVDDS service was created a result of a "Spectrum Grab" by the now defunct Northpoint Technology L.L.C.  While Northpoint was fighting with the DBS companies, MDS America Inc provided the FCC with engineering information to assist the FCC in formulating the first US MVDDS rules. MDS America was granted permission to conduct experimental testing of their service in Clewiston Florida.MDSA Testing This testing was completed by LCC International under the direction of Dr. Bahman Badipour Testing dissent page 12 (now President and CEO of Analytical Consulting Services Inc.) in July 2001 and submitted to the FCC in October of that year.
These are the problems I see:
#It is not neutral to outrightly call Northpoint's attempt to get a free license as a "spectrum grab." I mentioned at talk:MVDDS dispute how some third-parties thought Northpoint's wish was fair. Regardless, we should avoid using such monikers.
#The second sentence implicitly portrays MDSA as peaceful, helpful company versus the warlike Northpoint
#More crucially, there is no mention of the MITRE report, which all third-party sources I read indicated the primary basis of the FCC's decision
#It is unclear how influential the Clewiston tests were on the FCC's decision.  The April 11, 2002 Memorandum opinion and order and second report and order  mentions the tests very briefly. It also adds that Northpoint challenged the results.
#The second citation link doesn't work.
It looks like this section should be rewritten as a short summary of MVDDS dispute using the Wikipedia:Summary style format. nadav 22:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problematic text 

message: In Ireland, MMDS seems to include the 12GHz band since all the articles about SCTV call it MMDS. It may be confusion with the other, true MMDS providers, but I got a sense that the regulatory commission also informally uses the term.  I am still not sure about MVDS. Is MVDDS just a subtype of it?  nadav 16:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Nadav. I sympathize with your question, though I can't tell you about sources yet. MMDS is said to be between 2 and 3 GHz, which can't overlap with MVDDS, which is an American term and is specifically 12.2-12.7 GHz. I'd like to find the official FCC definition (because I assume it is theirs). Also it is interesting that the official 2001 MITRE study, which was done for the FCC, used *Northpoint* MVDDS equipment when it was trying to measure interference. Apparently MDSA has clever methods of reducing interference that have something to do with the antenna, but details are scarce. EdJohnston 17:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I could (not now, but soon) check the FCC filings of the test they did in Clewiston, FL on what, at the time, was called MDSI equipment. I am not sure the results are public, but I expect them to be, since they are mentioned in the Second memorandum I referred to above. nadav 17:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I remember hearing re: the SCTV system is that one of the systems, I think it was MMDS, had a bad reputation for signal quality problems. SCTV wanted to make sure that people didn't think of their system as equivalent to one that was considered poor quality. It's possible that some distinctions are because of that. I'll see on Monday if I can find somebody who can clarify the terms. Bhimaji 18:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MMDS, MVDDS, MVDS 

message: So sorry but again and again MDSAMERICA staff use Wikipedia to advertise with false or truncated informations.
Informations and right and full story about MVDDS are availbale on the WEB and various companies makink MVDDS  worldwide
:I have deleted material that implies MDS America was soley responsible for building the technology, since it has not been proven with outside sources yet. nadav (talk) 08:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: MVDDS are not owned by MDSAmerica

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 2 external links on MVDDS. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070927001243/http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=MVDDS%2F to http://www.techweb.com/encyclopedia/defineterm.jhtml?term=MVDDS%2F
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070930014734/http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/mitrereport/mitrereport_4_01.pdf to http://www.fcc.gov/oet/info/mitrereport/mitrereport_4_01.pdf
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:06, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified