Talk:Eastside High School (Gainesville, Florida)

message: Hey all... This will be my first attempt at discussion & article edits since taking the "registration" plunge. Go easy. :-)
Wanted your thoughts on breaking out both the ICA information (I can add quite a bit of content) and perhaps also the Newsweek rankings (since we seem to make it on that list every year).  
Thereisaplace 03:31, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible changes

message: That was removed? I have a yearbook from when he graduated. If you want I can scan a picture as proof but it most likely violates numerous laws and wiki policies, so I'd rather not. 75.89.19.236 22:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The fake page for the supposed 4*2 team is created by User Syphonbyte/Catbag and his meatpuppets. It contained originally even again the fake picture of the Fonteinhof in Gotem, which was used as vandalism on this page as well, but it was later taken off as it was a too obvious sign of vandalism. Anyway, it is absolutely not a reliable source, and coupled with the history of this page and these edits, it will be removed on sight. Please take your silly vandalism elsewhere. Fram 07:39, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page isn't fake, it's the 4^2 team web site. There are even photographs of the team playing at the school and at tournaments at UF. If you want, I can have the webmaster add more photos to the page, but that doesn't seem like it should be neccessary. I'm not sure why you so vehemently oppose the mention of the 4^2 team in the article, but simply labeling it as "silly vandalism" isn't going to work, and banning every editor who adds that content is against policy. (Admins generally shouldn't ban users with whom they are in an edit conflict unless it's obvious vandalism - in this case, it isn't, since it's a school team with a reference.) The site is, in fact, a reliable source, as it contains primary sources (photographs) establishing that there is in fact a 4^2 team at EHS, which is rather remarkable in much the same way that winning a state basketball championship or being ranked 4th in the nation is remarkable for a High School as well. I do request, though, that you unprotect the article as we can't really work on it right now. I look forward to working with you on improving this article as there was admittedly a lot of crap in it, however to do that we need to try to work together instead of accusing people of meatpuppetry, vandalism or admin abuse. 71.30.255.239 09:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That site proves nothing, as you very well know. Everyone can make a website, put some pics and text on it, and claim whatever they want. You have tried the trick of making a fake website once before and it failed then, I hoped you would be a bit more imaginative this time around. You can complain all you want here, I'm done with you. Fram 09:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you need us to take a team photo holding up a sign that says "HELLO FRAM!" or something? This site isn't fake, and I don't know what "trick" you are talking about. If that site doesn't at least prove that the EHS 4^2 team exists, then I don't know how any site can prove anything. It is exactly what it says it is, and the pictures make it quite obvious. Denying or ignoring this isn't going to change it; you don't have any reason to say that the team doesn't exist, yet there is proof that it does which you're ignoring for no apparent reason. 75.89.31.75 18:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bonecrusher

message: (NOTE: Don't remove this again, Fram, there is no basis for its removal. It's not so-called "trolling". Furthermore, your removal of this argument instead of a reply is evidence of covering-up your misconduct)
You need to leave this article alone. You are from Europe, so it is questionable for you to write about or edit articles regarding the United States. You have no relation to the United States, the state of Florida, the city of Gainesville, and especially not to EHS. Please refrain from editing articles whose topics you are unfamiliar with. Suspecting vandalism or so-called 
meatpuppetry is no excuse. There are other channels through which you can restore factuality to articles, so you need to stop playing God and go through these proper channels (if need be, consult a moderator or something).
I on the other hand, am a recent and proud graduate of this high school, and will defend from baseless attacks from clueless Europeans (what if I were to write about YOUR high school in Belgium and remove real statistics and facts from it??). I will soon clean up this article of the junk left by people who never even went to this school but who seem to have a fetish for meatpuppets (and I emphasize the 'meat', if you know what I mean) and who insist on following them around from article to article and ruining the Wikipedia experience for serious users. If you continue with your Belgian crusade of ruining the articles of other countries I will do whatever is in my means to have you permenantly banned from this site. Consider this a warning.--128.227.16.179 14:51, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, Fram has violated one of the basic principle is dispute resolution: DO NOT SIMPLY REVERT CHANGES IN A DISPUTE. This article is well on its way to the Arbitration Committee, since step 1 (talk to other parties involved) has occured, as has step 2 (bringing in an outside editor, me). I am now requesting mediation.--128.227.16.179 20:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I support Fram's Actions here. there's a low level constant flow of vandalism and unsourced claims going on on this article, and rather than police it non-stop, Fram has elected to let the IP vandals cool off and go away. As for the ridiculous nationalistic claim above that European editors don't understand America, well, bigotry's just stupid. ThuranX 22:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point of the references to 'European' above is not one of nationality, but of context. The point of these references is that Fram has no knowledge whatsoever of the city of Gainesville, FL in the US, and has absolutley no knowledge of the high school in question. Thus how can he determine what is true and what is not? Fram should stick to editing topics with which he is familiar, like Belgian comics. And no, he has not just "elected to let the IP vandals cool off and go away" as you claim, he has locked out the article from VALID edits thus preventing the article from being improved -- he has frozen this article in its half-trash state. This is irresponsible because it DOES NOT promote improvement which is what he SHOULD BE doing. There is also evidence of a personal agenda against some of the involved parties (See the Mediation Cabal for more details). --DaDrought3 00:20, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For futher evidence of personal agenda clouding Fram already questionable judgement, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Raven in which he continuously accused The Raven of "meatpuppeting". Now whether or not The Raven was or was not engaging in sockpuppeting is not relevant (innocent until proven guilty). My point is that Fram seems to be infatuated with The Raven and this introduces bias into every action Fram takes against The Raven's supposed wrongdoings, including this article. I say, KEEP the FRAM vs THE RAVEN FIGHT FROM RUINING ARTICLES. --DaDrought3 00:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, youv'e been on Wikipedia for ONE day. Fram's been here MUCH longer. That's one thing, he's got experience, you lack it. Two: I'd suspect instead that after Fram found Raven to be plagarizing on the Gotem article, he investigated other efforts by Raven, and found this page, where he found the problematic vandalism. I suggest you take this as a learning opportunity. These vandals are in the wrong, and it's their school. As such, they are unlikely to leave the article be. If their accounts are blocked, they will get new ones. The simplest solution is to just lock the article. ThuranX 18:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I've been on wikipedia for at least a year, my account is what's new. Also, experience doesn't mean maturity. And oh yea, it's my school too, so while 'simply locking the article' might mean nothing to you, to me it's unfair to leave the article in a half-vandalized state. Locking an article is an irresponsible, short term, lazy fix for this problem. --DaDrought3 16:56, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

text: ..wow. --trey 21:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fram

message: I changed the title of the section from Trivia. These are major accomplishments for the students and the institution and are not trivial.  Can someone add information about the robotics competition? Is it only high school? Adding the actual name of the competition would be good. --Robbie Giles 15:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards and competitions

message: Mediation from June 15, 2007 CLOSED --Thereisaplace 17:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mediation - June 2007

message: Hello all, I am senior from Eastside High School in the IB program (as of 2013-2014). I am going to add a section that lists the IB and AP courses offered by Eastside High School. However, this section will be needed to be periodically edited as classes at EHS are constantly being cut and added. Should the section fall out of date, either update or delete it in it's entirety. I have also attempted to edit out any promotional material and hope that any future editors will continue to do so. Notes: (Awards and Competitions) Should enough competitions of one type appear, string them together in order to condense the information. If you cannot cite a competition/award or fact about the school with a valid source DO NOT POST IT "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable." (Wikipedia). NGC7662 (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offered Classes (AP/IB); Cleaning Up Topics/Promotional Material