Talk:Militsiya

message: Good content, however more pictures and a list of references are needed for B class or higher--SGGH 15:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: assessment

message: Removed the following erroneus passage:
*OSNAZ or Special Forces.
People, I'd like to stress the abuse of the OSNAZ and SPETSNAZ terms. May be all of them should replaced with the commando as more specific and unambiguous? Anyway, MVD units you may think about fall firmly into either Internal Troops (if you mean "спецназ внутренних войск") or miltsiya itself (if you mean OMON). Can't you guys see it from the above-written, or from discussion at Talk:OMON and Talk:Spetsnaz? AlexPU 21:22, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[OSNAZ]] or Special Forces 

message: I've removed the part about post-Soviet Russian "police" because it is, as all other articles about Russia, totally biased stating only bad points. I have never seen any criticisms like that on any other countries' pages. In the US police article every word gloryfies them, everything else is the same. I'm not against criticism as it is, but I am against it being on Wikipedia and giving people the wrong impression. Unless someone writes a normal neutral article which simply describes the Russian police and its system, I will continue to delete the section. Please hate Russia all you want but not on Wikipedia. 
I mean, all, abslolutely all articles about something Russian only have anti- points in them saying how bad everything and everyone is. As I said, I don't care if everyone has their heads in their bottoms but NOT on Wikipedia. Lars 14:07, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid it's not about bias or Wikipedia, it's ONLY about Russia's real image in the world :)). Ukrained 15:27, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like the give my own views on this.  To Lars: try not to delete things if they are relevant and factually accurate, as the Russian militsiya section currently is.  I have many friends in Russia, and distrust of the militsiya is deeply ingrained and to a large extent earned. A more pressing concern is that most of the information in that section is 10 years out of date - I'm sure that there has been recent progress in this area, now that Russia is full of oil money and Putin seems set on restoring order.  In fact, I remember hearing something about the government cracking down on private security forces to prevent there being many different systems at once.  Not quite sure of the details, though. Maybe there's some more info in the Russian wiki article that could be translated... Esn 07:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Vandalism 

message: I suggest to move this in Militsia--Nixer 16:07, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose.  Neither "militsiya" nor "militsia" are English words (they are listed in none of the English dictionaries I was able to get my hands on; unlike, say, okhranka or cheka).  This is a transliteration.  Transliteration in Wikipedia is guided by WP:RUS, which prescribes using current title.  I would, however, support the move to an appropriate English title, if, indeed, there is one.  How is Russian militsiya normally referred to in English-language texts?  "Russian police", for example, gets eight time more google hits than either "militsiya" or "militsia", not to mention the fact that we already have :Category:Russian police officers.  Should this be moved to Russian police?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It normally should be translated as militia because initially it was really workers' and peasants' militia and is in turn the transliteration of the Latin word militia into Russian alphabet. Militsia is closer to the pronounciation and transliteration rules agree that the "-ия" ending traditionally transliterated as "-ia" (Bashkiria, Evenkia, Turkmenia, Ossetia, Yulia etc).--Nixer 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanings of the English word "militia" do not include "official police force of a country".  Your further etimological analysis with consequent mapping of "militia" to "militsia" constitutes nothing more than original research.  Thence, my oppose vote still stands.  Also note that "Bashkiria", "Evenkia" et al. are not transliterations but established English names listed in dictionaries.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 00:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Traditionally the Russian police have been termed militia in the English speaking world ( e.g. see the film 'Gorki park' ). This may be completely wrong translation but it is common usgae and I believe that Wiki follows common usage. 217.7.209.108 12:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That "traditional usage" may be quite OK in a movie, in a newspaper article, or among tourists visiting Rusisa, as it refers mostly to the cops patrolling the streets (i.e., the part of militsiya people see the most).  However, once you remember that "militsiya" is in fact a branch of executive power which is responsible for a lot more than maintaining order in the streets and fighting crime, the term militia suddenly starts looking quite amateurish and plain incorrect.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A move proposed 

message: Folks, this really needs to be a disambig page from which Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian and Polish pages are branched. Chris 04:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please explain in details. The larger portion of text reflects issues common for all 4 countries, and not only for them. It doesn't need moving anywhere. As for lowest country sections, I was indeed thinking of selective moving them into respective main articles, keeping only in "See also". If you agree with my vision, I'll start doing it and will receive your help & opinions with thanks. Otherwise I'm gonna delete splitting template. Thank you,AlexPU 06:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I'm removing template, but leaving open the discussion of splitting in my way.AlexPU 18:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Split proposal

message: Guys, I moved here the following irrelevant text:
Historical secret police organizations
*Third Section of His Imperial Majesty's Own Chancellery
*Special Corps of Gendarmes
*Okhrannoye otdeleniye (Okhrana or Okhranka) (Security Section) (1866-1917)
*Oprichniki (1565-1573) under Ivan the Terrible
Militsiya is no secret police, it's just police; neither of agencies listed in the paragraph was a conventional police. Please note that littering the article with irrelevant sections leads to inadequate attempts to rewrite other sections, to split it etc.AlexPU 06:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant paragraph 

message: This is a quite high number of tortures for confessions. And a very  serious accusation. Therefore it cannot be unexplained in a single sentense. Please provide how the author of the quoted book came to this conclusion, what time period is addressed. I don't believe that such numbers are possible to know. Aslo, such serious statenent cannot be based on an opinion of a single author. We are writing encyclopedia ere, not a horror movie or detective story. At best the sentence is question must be restated as an opinion of the books's author. 
I am not saying that russian police are all good guys. I am saying that such accusation must have a more solid grounds than a single sentence quoting a single book. If it is a real, problem it must be addressed by a serious text, possibly a separate article. `'Miikka 20:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tortures 

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thread_title:  Alert: Image nominated for deletion 

message: is very biassed and one-sided section. The only thing one can learn of it is 'how bad is Russian police'. I think it needs correction. Olvegg (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So why not balance it out yourself?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:24, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not competent enough in subject to make this section more reliable. Just going by. Olvegg (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Militsiya in the Russian Federation 

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message: In the general overview, there is a term uchastkovyi used several times. Presumably this is an attempt at transliteration of Участковый, and as such should probably be spelled either uchastkoviy or uchastkovyy. Anyone know better, before I fix it? I'd use the ...viy suffix, but I notice google transliterates with ...vyy. Tarl N. (discuss) 03:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration of uchastkovyi 

message: I been working on Militsioner (video game) and found the name Militsioner redirtect to this article, how should we add note to this article? Egon Eagle (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Militsioner redirect 

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