Talk:Great power/Archive 4

message: Here is the pre-pruned version which contains a list of all the unsourced historical powers and modern powers. Once to page, unsourced material will not be allowed to stay on this page, even if it states things that some people consider obvious. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 04:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version before pruning 

message: I'm sorry, while I was working on the page I didn't notice that the references got messed up. I looked at diffs and went through the referencing but couldn't find anything. I'm stopping work now and I hope someone else can find the problem. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Xdamr has proposed that we get rid of the tables and prosify instead (of course we will be very hard on sourcing). Does anyone disagree or have objections? Nobleeagle  (Talk) 05:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Getting rid of table format

message: I really do not have the time or resources to add to this page in a scholarly manner, but I do recomend that ancient powers like Rome, Alexander's Greece, Imperial China, the Mongol Empire, and the Islamic Empires be considered in any updates to this page.  In the very least, I do recomend that the Islamic Empire (Umayyad and Abbasid Dynasties) be added to this list because that was the first true global empire- the empire covered vast lands, spread a common religion (Islam) and language (Arabic) to much of the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia as well as brought many cultures together through Islamic customs such as the Hajj, which allowed people from vast corners of the globe to come together and speak a common tongue.  (I appologize deeply if I did not thoroughly read this article and theses powers were already considered)
Just my two cents.  SgtPepper967 00:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Those powers belong to Historical powers, as Great power was generally an Industrial Age term. If you find sources for these, feel free to add them there. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 07:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some other powers to Consider 

message: Some people may be asking that "Why is this Nobleeagle adding sources for nations that are already well sourced". Well the reason is that as we have put dates as to when nations were Great powers and when they were not Great powers. It would follow logically that we back up that time period with a variety of sources from different parts of that time period. I don't say we completely eliminate the dates straight away (as they are susceptible to Original Research), but for now it's good to keep those sources in hand for when we prosify. Just clearing that up. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 07:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why I keep adding sources... 

message: I've found another source about Italy and her position among the "major countries", it is from Foreign Affairs []
...the working group has demonstrated its credibility by criticizing the convention's inadequate implementation in major countries such as France, Japan, Italy, and the United Kingdom. It is essential that OECD monitoring continue beyond 2007, when current funding is scheduled to end. The working group's monitoring ...
:In this article we are concerned with the term 'great power' (or 'major power', if you prefer).  This is an established political science term.  We are not looking for examples of the use of 'great' or 'major' as adjectives in respect of individual countries.  The distinction is quite an easy one.  Sources bearing on the former are acceptable, sources as examples of the latter are not.  I urge you not to spend any more of your time bringing up examples of the latter use, they are of no use in the article and it only wastes your time.
:Xdamrtalk 14:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another source about Italy

message: What's the general view on putting this page up for Peer Review?  The concept is now sourced in most essentials.  I think that a fresh view in terms of prose/sourcing/layout etc would be beneficial.  What do you think?
Xdamrtalk 00:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead...we should look for some tips to use before improving it further. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 00:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, go ahead! Regards, Signaturebrendel 06:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review?

message: When the hell was Italy a great power?  Italy has done nothing at all to earn the status of a great power.  The most important thing they have done is invent pizza...but did that make them a great power? NO!  It just made their country more obese.  They got owned in the war.  At least Germany put up a fight, but these guys, had no hope.  Italy has never been, and will never be a great power. This comment was left by Damareinu.
::This has been discussed again, and again, and again, and again and again...in the last again we decided to include Italy as a great power. Please see above and check the archives. Nobleeagle  (Talk) 23:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No OR please, if there is a source stating Italy to be a Great Power (there is) then we need to include it. Personally, I also do not beleive that Italy is a Great Power, but we all have different opinions and beleives which is why we must only include referenced material and trust our cited sources on articles whose subject matter is of a very subjective nature. Regards, Signaturebrendel 00:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: You have got to be kidding me

message: OK, I think it may be time to prosify this...but we don't want to make the mistake of making this page just a list of why those powers are so great. So what prose do we need? A bit of history that incorporates some power factors (ie. Country A developed nuclear weapons in ----. At the height of its power, country B had some ------- troops under its control. Country C has experienced economic growth in the past -- years and is currently growing at -.--% per annum). Do we agree on that sort of thing? Nobleeagle  [TALK] [C] 00:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What sort of prose do we need 

message: It is a given fact.  Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden, The Ottoman Empire, and all the other past powers on this list are now gone.  What the hell is your problem?  uncivil remark removed  I'm giving up with this stupid page.  I made the list, but someone uncivil remark removed keep making it ridiculously retarded. Casey14 21:35, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two things: a) Remain civil and b) in the history you can look up recent changes. But please refrain from phrases such as "stupid" or "idiot." WP is not the place for such demeanor. Keep in mind that you may revert certain edits-if you don't know how, just ask. Thank you. Signaturebrendel 21:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be nice if these people would give logical reasons for editing, but they don't.  They think they are the only right ones, without proving anything. Casey14 01:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: First, I don't think I was referring to you.  Some unregistered user, deleted all past great powers except the Soviet Union.Casey14 02:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Wait, I was referring to you.  Just because Poland-Lithuania is currently not on the list, does not mean you can VANDALIZE! You are not being productive.  You may debate Poland, by starting a discussion on this page.  Please do not vandalize the main page any more.  Casey14 02:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't care what you did, you are still vandalizing the page.  Do not vandalize the page.  You are just as equal to blame, if not more now, because of your vandalization. Casey14 03:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Please sign your posts with your signature with the four ~.  Casey14 03:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whoever keeps editing this page is...

message: With recent editings, without any discussions, I believe we should protect this page.  Many of these edits have came by unregistered members and have had no reasoning behind them.  Casey14 01:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Protect this Page?