Talk:Richard Marcinko

message: Is there any non-classified information about his life prior to the Navy?  When his parents immigrated, his local community?  School athletics, motivations for joining the service?  75.175.96.208 (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-Career 

message: How did he become an officer? One does not enlist in the Navy as a teletype operator, and then "work" up to the rank of Commander? I am not questioning that he got a commission, but how did it happen?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isaac Crumm (talk • contribs) 08:17, 12 June 2006.
I will repeat his question above. Some do start as enlisted and work their way to officer ranks, but as selected based on enlisted experience and expertise. Their officer designators are such they are Limited Duty Officers or Warrant Officers, and also most often do NOT have a college degree. - It says he has a master's degree, which implies he has a proceeding bachelors degree - from where? When? OCS to me implies a degree- it is not OCS for those that are "Limited Duty Officers or Warrant Officers.
He served time in jail, was that the result of a Court Martial or What? What form of discharge from Military Service did he receive? - With that information as guidance I would recommend a more recent picture without uniform as the main picture, his service jacket picture in uniform may remain but lower in article .  Wfoj2 (talk) 
::He earned a B.A. in International Relations from the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, California in 1972. He actually completed OCS in December of 1965 without a degree. He was reccomended by a Captain to become an officer under the Officer Integration Program earlier that year, the Navy used to take 50 enlisted men every year and make officer's out of them. He retired from the Navy in February 1989, as a retiree he was investigated by the Grand Jury. No court-martial, honorable Discharge. I have several pictures with him over the past 10 years, I'll see if I can crop myself out of one.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:29, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I see edit adding listing of a Bachelor's Degree. You list his year of OCS completion, and state a program that I can believe did exist for that era but no longer exists. However, I suspect the location/school of degrees are crossed. For the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, the degrees normally conferred by them are are Master's degrees. Under some conditions some students there receive a second bachelors, but to my understanding they do not accept students without a bachelors degree. I recommend picture without uniform. That is only my recommendation, I don't yet see a consensus from others or a must. Getting the bachelors degree after commission - probably on own show a lot of conviction and hard work in addition to that. Wfoj2 (talk) 02:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No sir, the schools are not crossed, unless the source crossed them, but I doubt it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Marcinko joined the Navy as an enlisted person and was selected to attend Officer Candidate School (O.C.S.)  OCS trains enlisted personnel in order for them to gain a commission as officers the Navy.  He did this after becoming a SEAL.  He also received a Master's degree.JEdward 01:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Commission

message: A statement like "Many former SEALs have stated publicly and privately that they consider Marcinko a disgrace." DEMANDS a citation. Especially with the use of the word "many". Additionally, if statements were made "privately", is there really a method of verification?
:EDIT - This quote seems to have been removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.34.98.202 (talk) 07:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disgrace???

message: "Marcinko has come under criticism from many in the Special Operations community who feel that he airs too much dirty laundry"
Using "many" without a citation in this case needs a citation. At the very least, 1 or two people in this community should be quoted. The weasel words have to go if they are unsourced. Badfever 01:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More on citations

message: According to the Aug 22, 2006, SECNAV INSTRUCTION 1650.1H "NAVY AND MARINE CORPS AWARDS MANUAL", The United States Navy does not award Oak Leaf Clusters in lieu of second or subsequent awards for the Navy Marine Corps Commendation Medal, or for any personal Navy decoration for that matter. Oak Leak clusters are worn on the service and suspension ribbons of Defense, Army, and Air Force decorations and the Joint Meritorious Unit Award. For subsequent personal Naval decorations, gold stars are used for the 2nd through the 5th, 7th through l0th, 12th and so on. Silver stars are worn in lieu of multiples of five gold stars; i.e., the 6th, llth, etc. 
In Richard Marcinko's case his military awards Navy Commendation Medal should read, "Navy Commendation Medal with one gold star." 
Additionally, The awards cited under the military awards header should be listed in order of precedence, not according to date of issue or in any other fashion. This is a practice that denotes the seniority of a medal and its significance among other medals. According to this practice, this would make the new order become; Silver Star, Legion of Merit, Bronze Star with Valor Device and three oak leaf clusters, Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medal with one gold star, and Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star. 
Lastly, Marcinko obviously has more medals and ribbons then those annotated under the "Military Awards" section; you can see at least 13 medals/ribbons and two devices in his photograph. Additional research should be completed that verifies what medals and ribbons he is authorized to wear with a citation denoting the source.
Bsdufault 20:33, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards

message: Seriously, I almost tagged it as "sounds like an advertisement."  "...is one of the United States' most accomplished and recognized special operations experts, with over 30 years of experience in a variety of specialties including counter-terrorism, intelligence and special operations. He has a B.A. in International Relations from the U.S. Navy Postgraduate School in Monterey, California, and an M.A. in Political Science from Auburn University."  Is this someone's resume or an encyclopedia entry on him!?!?  Marcinko deserves an entry, but not a platform on which to advertise.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Afabbro (talk • contribs) 18:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The opening paragraph was ridiculous 

message: It's a small point but, while I realize this is an article about an American subject, repeated use of informal terms and Americanisms such as 'stateside' seem a little inappropriate and colloquial, and perhaps confusing/unclear for international readers.
91.104.51.174 (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colloquialisms 

message: To reflect the style of prominent military-personnel articles (Audie Murphy, Matt Urban, etc), I propose to change the Military Awards section from:
===Military awards===
*Special Warfare insignia
*Naval Parachutist insignia
*Silver Star
*Legion of Merit
*Bronze Star with Valor Device and three Gold Award Stars
*Defense Meritorious Service Medal
*Navy Commendation Medal with Valor device and Gold Award Star
*Combat Action Ribbon with three Gold Award Stars
*Presidential Unit Citation
*Good Conduct Medal with Bronze Service Star
*National Defense Service Medal
*Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
*Vietnam Service Medal with four campaign stars
*Republic of Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star
*Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
to:
===Awards and decorations===
Special Warfare insignia
Naval Parachutist insignia
	Silver Star
	Legion of Merit
	Bronze Star with Valor Device and three Gold Award Stars
	Defense Meritorious Service Medal
	Navy Commendation Medal with Valor device and Gold Award Star
	Combat Action Ribbon with three Gold Award Stars
	Presidential Unit Citation
	Good Conduct Medal with Bronze Service Star
	National Defense Service Medal
	Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
	Vietnam Service Medal with four campaign stars
	Republic of Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star
	Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Thoughts, questions, complaints? Bullmoosebell (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal" is not in the graphic. There's only 12, not 13. -  theWOLFchild 09:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards and decorations 

message: Special Warfare insignia
Naval Parachutist insignia
	Silver Star
	Legion of Merit
	Bronze Star with Valor Device and three Gold Award Stars
	Defense Meritorious Service Medal
	Navy Commendation Medal with Valor device and Gold Award Star
	Combat Action Ribbon with three Gold Award Stars
	Presidential Unit Citation
	Good Conduct Medal with Bronze Service Star
	National Defense Service Medal
	Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal
	Vietnam Service Medal with four campaign stars
	Republic of Vietnam Cross of Gallantry with Silver Star
	Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal
Thoughts, questions, complaints? Bullmoosebell (talk) 21:02, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal" is not in the graphic. There's only 12, not 13. -  theWOLFchild 09:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards and decorations

message: I'm a military mom!  My uncles served in the Military, so did my brothers and my sons.
I found my first paperback at a Goodwill Store that Richard Marcinko wrote and loved it.  I've acquired every book he has written except the newer one "Curse of the Infidel" (2014) and when I can afford it I will purchase it too.  I'm going on 74 years old and I loved all the books Richard M. has written.
I've read through much of the articles on him and the verifications, critical remarks, fault findings and (carping). I can honestly say that it "hurts" to read so much criticisms against one man.  "Who in GOD's Green Earth" made these people judge and jury! And why would someone be so crass as to research almost every incident/location mentioned in any of "The Rogue's" books.  Some people actually know him and hate him...maybe because they weren't up to "par" to be in his Seal Teams or they were "politically motivated" to put "The Rogue" down.  Just remember...you who scrutinized, probed and criticized....will meet at sometime in your future the "Real Judge" and I wonder what he will tell you, but most of all what will "other people say about you".  
I wish I could hug this man (Richard Marcinko) because he is the kind of "warrior" I epitomize my military family members to have been. zaedison  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.213.153 (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos to the Rogue Warrior 

message: The opening paragraph states that Marcinko retired from the Navy.
He was dishonorably discharged after being tried and convicted in federal court on multiple offenses.
The language needs to be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.113.192.12 (talk) 03:30, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, no. He retired before sentencing, he did not receive a DD. Nice try, though.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 21:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired? 

message: He passed away today 2600:1014:B116:62AC:3C54:EF94:80F:5DE7 (talk) 20:50, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Died