Talk:Honey/Archive 1

message: This text is overly slanted towards New Zealand honeys. While the information itself is fine, it either needs to be balanced with roughly equal coverage for other countries, or the NZ content needs to be drastically reduced.
Also, there was some inconsistency in use and capitalization of the word honey, so I deleted the superfluous ones, and unified capitalization to lowercase. Godfrey Daniel 20:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Types of honey

message: Could anyone add nutritional information for honey? What is in it aside from water and sugar? Are there minerals in honey for example?
:It depends on which type of honey you're referring to. The refined stuff that you get in stores is nothing but sugar and water with perhaps a few enzymes. Raw honey, on the other hand, contains a great deal of minerals and enzymes. The best kind of honey is the kind that has not been refined or processed. The mineral content can be increased by fermentation (so I've heard, I've asked about this. Please see my comment below.) Scorpionman 21:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: References?  Vitamin and mineral breakdown of common types of honey?  While it seems probable that honey would contain some vitamins and minerals it also seems quite likely that these would be present in extremely small trace amounts.  Certainly too little to be of any practical value.
I've heard that you can ferment honey to increase its mineral and enzyme content. Wouldn't this affect the taste? How would it taste after fermentation? Scorpionman 21:21, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I don't really eat fermented honey, I just heard on some health-nut's website that it's better if fermented. I don't like fermented honey and prefer it in its sweet form. I don't need the alchohol in it. Scorpionman 19:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nutritional information, mineral content and fermentation

message: I don't think this citation from Qur-aan is necessary:
The Qur-aan states that the female bees are the ones who go out to collect nectar.
There's already a citation from Qur-aan in the part about using honey as a medicine, and it seems like a legitimate one, but this one seems odd. Yeah, so the Qur-aan states that they do, but do they actually? If they do, why is it necessary to tell that it's the Qur-aan which says this?
I'm planning to remove the "The Qur-aan states that"-part. Opinions? --80.186.244.90 17:04, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all over, said and done, haven't you heard? We are living our last days on this world. Also, fixed larva plural and linked the different bee types. It seems that Naushad was a bit too eager to advertize the Qur-aan, see the diff. --80.186.244.90 03:42, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oddball Qur-aan citations 

message: I've started a new section about the cultural significance of honey. I've put in a few examples, but there could be tons more, so please help. Maybe the Qur'an quotations previously removed could go here. Perodicticus 14:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: New culture and folklore section

message: This article has potential to become featured — does anyone care to second my notion? –Hollow Wilerding 02:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is safe to say that the standard of a featured article is higher on the English Wikipedia than on other Wikipedias. I do think it has potential, but at the moment it lacks references, could use better pictures and the introduction should be restructured. It is too long an contains an external link. —R. Koot 00:07, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Featured article potential

message: how about adding info about the honey dipper?
:I second this, That device has always intrigued me. 
:LexieM 21:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is a honey dipper? I always thought that thing was a meat tenderizer JayKeaton 16:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: honey dipper

message: Perhaps a short summary here w/ link?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_propolis
Mikehal 04:22, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bee Propolis

message: It would be useful to expland these two sentances into a larger section. I hae actually deleted it and began a section for the medical uses of honey and the reason honey is a good microbial agent. 
I deleted this:
:Honey is also very efficacious at healing skin tissue, especially wounds such as burns. Raw honey and Manuka honey are better suited for healing skin than "regular"/processed honey. Manuka honey has even been proven in clinical trials to be superior to silver sulfadiazine in the healing of burns.
Honey has since ancient times been used to treat open wounds and burns. Honey also posessed the properties of antibiotics, yet is not an antibiotic. I think there is also some research going on in New Zeland with the goal of bringing honey into more mainstream medicine. 
LexieM 02:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Medical Use of Honey

message: The fact that honey can exist in a crystaline form is mentioned in the article. Should it be expanded to possibly include more informaiton about the crystal structure?
Also, I believe it should be mentioned that honey that crystalizes did not go bad and simply need to be heated to reverse the process.
LexieM 21:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tendancy of honey to crystalize

message: This needs a source!
:Honey that is local to where one lives can also help with seasonal pollen allergies because it contains the same pollen that is producing the allergy--consumed in this way it can act as an immune booster. It's most effective to eat about a teaspoonful a day for a few months leading up to allery season.
LexieM 02:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this text appears twice in the article. I deleted the first occurrence and kept the later one (in the Medical section). I also tagged it with . There was another statement about medical use, which I moved to the Medical section. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 05:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'pollen allergies treatment' needs source 

message: I have very mixed feelings about the addition of the Winnie the Pooh link. It is misleading to give the impression that bears raid beehives for honey, when the brood is what they are actually seeking. What think ye? Pollinator 02:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but that does bring up a good point. This is a relitivly useful culteral refreence, and maybe we should include the fictional / popculture refrences to honey. (did that make sense?) 24.51.79.57 21:25, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winnie the Pooh 

message: A 2005 Gaurdian article casts the infant botulism warnings in a ridiculous light. I think it would be reasonable to restate the botulism text.
Duodecimal 16:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An anon added that section and I cooled it down somewhat .  If you want to rephrase, go for it. Sumergocognito 02:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infant botulism risk overstated? 

message: I enjoyed reading this article.  Very informative.  Thanks.  Dragons flight 05:26, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks 

message: The "Medical Application" section used to be:
"Though widely believed to alleviate allergies, local honey has been shown to be no more effective than placebos in controlled studies" and cited http://www.aaaai.org/aadmc/ate/category.asp?cat=988
Someone has changed this to:
"Widely believed to alleviate allergies, local honey has been shown to be more effective than placebos in controlled studies[citation needed]" and deleted the original citation.
Also, the added bit below about local pollen wafting in to honey seems highly unlikely and such a claim should again be cited or deleted.
There may be some anecdotal evidence "for" honey helping with allergies, but there's no excuse for deleting a citation you happen not to agree with.
Could someone with more Wiki knowledge than me fix this and if possible "lock" this section, as someone clearly has an axe to grind. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kempshott (talk • contribs) 
: The changes http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Honey&diff=64003259&oldid=63927352 by anon user 89.213.9.212, who commented 'Corrected factual error regarding honey and allergies; citation referred to a small study regarding an eye allergy only.'. I reverted this as no citation has been given. GameKeeper 22:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Medical Application" changed and citation deleted 

message: The intro states that this article is specifically about honey produced by the Apis genus of bees, not about honey produced by other types of bees or other insects.  That's fine, but is there another article about honey more generally?  If not, should we have one?  --Delirium 20:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-Apis honey 

message: I've put this article in WikiProject Beekeeping to help organisation and improvement of articles.  I'm just trying to rustle up interest - if anyone is interested in being a member, please just sign up on the main project page - you can do as much or little as you like! Martinp23 17:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Beekeeping 

message: Reading the Precautions section could lead one to believe that eating honey is a dangerous practice. The information seems to be correct but it left me wanting to know just how real the risk is. I found a reference New Zealand Food Safety Authority Background on Toxic Honey which may be a source for the tutin poisoning information. This reference states that the last case of poisoning from commercially available honey was in 1974, although there have been some cases of people poisoned from honey self-collected in the wild since then.
It would seem that honey you might buy in a store is as safe as any other food (perhaps safer than unpasteurized orange juice), but you should be aware of this risks if you collect your own honey. Perhaps words to this effect could be added (and the reference) after the opening sentence: Honey is not always edible. Because it is gathered from flowers in the wild, there are situations in which it may be toxic.
One more thing: the information on infant botulism seems to be duplicated (or at least very similar) under two headings; "Honey and Infants" under "Medical Uses for Honey" and "Precautions". Maybe this could be brought together. Metajam 10:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Precautions needs some balance 

message: The result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finland honey was that Finland honey and Philippines honey are to be merged to Honey.  Please add any relevant information from  and  to the article. —Quarl (talk) 2006-12-10 21:41Z
==Soothing Properties
The current article states, "Due to its antiseptic properties, honey (especially when combined with lemon) can be taken orally by Pharyngitis and Laryngitis sufferers, in order to soothe them.[citation needed]"
I have a hard time seeing how it's antiseptic qualities are related to honey soothing the throat for sufferers of Pharyngitis and Laryngitis.  Soothing is a subjective feeling of temporary reduction in pain and is unrelated (though often the result of) the number of living infectious agents present.  I suggest this mereley say, "many sufferers of throat infections find honey to be soothing if taken orally." or something to that effect.
--Dwinetsk 06:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Finland honey]] 

message: I'm just wondering if someone knows about the different properties of honey from different regions of the world. I have heard "Manuka Honey" from New Zeland has some different properties. I'm sure honey from areas of Africa may differ from Honey from Asia etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.136.204.119 (talk) 23:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of Honey? 

message: I have moved the entire section tagged with  from the article and placed it here, because the intent and meaning of the material is not possible to follow, I am assuming because it was translated from another language. If someone can make heads or tails of it, feel free to re-add the material. - WeniWidiWiki 03:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology