Talk:Emishi

message: Just wondering if we can change "THe" to "The" at the bottom, and "flick" to "film."  Do we use "flick" when discussing movies?
Looks like that has been done. I was wondering about the use of AD BC and CE. Shouldn't we standardise on one or the other?
: - era names were standardized, unnecessary usage was removed, and grammar was corrected in the lead section. - Boneyard90 (talk) 13:37, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Wording changes

message: Why this theory of Izumo Japanese as formative of the Emishi makes no sense: During the T'ang dynasty in AD 659 Japanese envoys traveled to meet the Emperor of China.  They brought with them two Emishi, a man and a woman, and they had an audience with the T'ang Emperor who called the appearance of the Emishi "strange in the extreme." The Emperor was curious about them and asked the envoy questions about them.  The envoys told the emperor that there were three types of Emishi.  The ones living closest to Yamato were called "nigi" Emishi or "gentle" Emishi, then there were the "arai" Emishi or "rough" Emishi, and the third was not descriptive of their nature but geographical: Tsugaru Emishi. They would have never brought over Japanese people (that originated from Izumo) to see the T'ang Emperor, and further they would've never given them a description of the three types of Emishi from nearest to furthest unless they were natives of these lands since Tsugaru was beyond the frontier and was not part of Japan at that time.  Finally, the words attributed to the Emperor would have never been "strange in the extreme" if these were Japanese or any other East Asians he was familiar with, and he knew of Turkish, Iranian and Uiygur people as well (Nihongi trans.W.G.Aston 1972:Tuttle pp.261-263). Some of these modern theories are nonsensical and don't fit with the historical record.            — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B10D:2E9D:5427:AD27:4125:22D0 (talk) 04:15, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Emishi theories

message: I have found reference to a particular group of Emishi, referred to as the Watarishima Emishi:
[reference to a] new group called the Watarishima Emishi, a people who appear to differ from earlier Emishi groups. In tribute, for example, the Watarishima Emishi brought animal skins rather than horses, and Dewa lords prohibited other groups from trading with the Watarishima Emishi, suggesting that their tribute was exotic enough to warrant trade restrictions. Emori Susumu, a historian of Hokkaido, points out that the Watarishima Emishi share many traits with the people that would later be identified as the Ezo and, ultimately, the Ainu. 
Walker, Brett. Conquest of Ainu Lands : Ecology and Culture in Japanese Expansion, 1590-1800.  Ewing, NJ, USA: University of California Press, 2001. p 22.
L Hamm 00:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watarishima Emishi 

message: I see that the Kennewick Man item was taken out as being "dubious."  The lead scholar of Kennewick Man, James Chatters who has studied the skull of Kennewick Man see the closest affinity to be the Jomon of Japan. The book, In the Wake of the Jomon by Jon Turk looks at the possibility of a sea-going vessel from Japan to the Pacific Northwest coast of America.  Far from being questionable then there is a definite link with the Jomon, and thus through the Jomon to the Emishi.  However, this is just a side note so leaving it out of the main article is fine. Putting it here in the discussion section is perhaps more appropriate. -K.H.
Latest info is that the skull and remains have been tied closest to the tribe living in the region so this is no longer accurate. Kennewick Man is definitely native American. -K.H. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.H. (talk • contribs) 20:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kennewick Man connection 

message: I have completed edits for inline references for the main sections that needed the most work.  Sorry to say it doesn't work. When I press the reference button it says to >insert footnote text here<,but when that is done it all disappears except for the reference number.  I will have to put the references in again below the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by K.H. (talk • contribs) 11:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I scanned through the article history briefly, and came up with the offending edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emishi&diff=prev&oldid=230639142) for the second part of my previous message. It was vandalism, as I suspected. TomorrowTime (talk) 11:48, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Conquest" section... 

message: Very strange edits found here under "Cite."  Made no sense and disjointed from the rest of the article. Changed the name of the section and added more.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by K.H. (talk • contribs) 12:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the word Emishi

message: I am unsure as to the correct reading.  I will have to look into this before making a definite decision which is best.--K.H. (talk) 03:26, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashihase vs Mishihase 

message: "The imperial armies, which were modeled after the mainland Chinese armies, were no match for the guerrilla tactics of the Emishi."
The author of this passage does realise, I hope, that mainland Chinese armies had been dealing with guerilla tactics similar to those used by the Emishi for, let's see, hundreds of years? And these enemies were far more formidable and numerous than the Emishi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.63.125 (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny stuff 

message: "michi no oku" is the name Japanese used for the Tohoku location, literally, "deep road" not another name for the people. This has been corrected. KH.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.89.105.22 (talk) 16:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction of "michi no oku" 

message: Have there been any genetic studies of the Emishi? I realize the Emishi do not exist as a separate ethnicity today, but I imagine it would be possible to test older remains. Also, I seem to recall reading that there is significant north-south variation in the genetics of the Japanese population, which I suspect must be relevant in trying to establish the "identity" of the Emishi? Maitreya (talk) 11:26, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetics? 

message: http://books.google.com/books?id=eTFMPO5NdKgC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=ando+clan+tohoku&source=bl&ots=SxuLJ9fv7p&sig=C4LBLOYkALJIdZDr_iKVzhB29Ec&hl=en&sa=X&ei=4t22UtDAMomgkgWGiICABw&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=ando%20clan%20tohoku&f=false
http://www.okutsugaru.com/e/okutsugaru/okutsugaru-history.html
http://web-japan.org/atlas/historical/his04.html
http://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/防人
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk2/ftp02/NQ48593.pdf
Rajmaan (talk) 06:51, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emishi history 

message: It is very strange that the evidence in , on which the Ainu hypothesis is based, is not mentioned here at all. The objections to the hypothesis based on cultural and genetic differences are indirectly addressed there too: the modern Ainu are the result of a fusion of the evidently Ainu-speaking Emishi with the Siberian Okhotsk culture, which was most likely Nivkh-speaking. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguistic evidence 

message: If the Ainu didn't ride horses and the Emishi were expert archers/horsemen, is it possible that the Emishi were Mongol or Hun transplants?  If the Huns could make their way westward all the way to Germany and France, could't some of them have travelled east to northern Japan?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:C787:F700:C504:5399:8F42:5ED6 (talk) 07:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emishi vs. Ainu 

message: This image is a part of "Prince Shotoku Eden Emaki" (Domoto family book), but there is no established theory that the hair man is Emishi (someone's idea, original research). Please do not use it on Wikipedia. And It is WP:V violation because no verified source (just image uploader on Commons says that, "a certain Japanese book says that.") --Krkrkrme (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emishi from an Emakimono circa 1324.png 

message: I've fully protected the article for two pages to put an end to the edit war. Please discuss the page content here, with references, rather than continuing to edit war. GorillaWarfare (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war