Talk:Homebrewing

message: People have been talking about merging for some time. The task perhaps looks harder than what it is. I am starting the merge now, and generally tidying up the article as I go along. The only real concern about the merge would be the weight given to beer homebrewing as compared to other homebrewing - and I will look into that as I do the merge. However, it's looking as though the bulk of the Homebrewing beer article is dealing with material that belongs in Brewing. I will bring in here what looks useful and appropriate, and start discussions on material that I'm not sure about. SilkTork *YES! 12:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I brought over some details on US prohibition. SilkTork *YES! 13:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting a merge 

message: The general history of homebrewing is better in this article (Homebrewing) than in the Homebrewing beer article. I see nothing useful to merge. SilkTork *YES! 13:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I brought over some details on US prohibition. SilkTork *YES! 13:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I'm not entirely convinced that a section on beer styles is needed in an article on homebrewing (beer or otherwise). We have an article on beer style, and a sentence such as "Homebrewers can make beers in a variety of styles", linking people to the article should be sufficient. There is also some discussion on varieties of beer in the main Beer article. I feel this homebrewing article should deal with homebrewing rather than general comments about beer or brewing or wine or cider which are better dealt with in the parent articles. However, other people may think differently. SilkTork *YES! 13:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Beer styles

message: The basic ingredients for homebrewing beer are the same as for commercial beer, so I have linked to Brewing#Ingredients with this sentence: "Homebrewers can select from ingredients identical to those used in commercial brewing." SilkTork *YES! 13:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ingredients

message: This section - Homebrewing_beer#Brewing_process - is a bit trickier. Essentially homebrewing is brewing, so a link to that article should be enough. However, there are differences, and there is material within that section that can be brought over as useful to a general article on homebrewing. SilkTork *YES! 13:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Brewing

message: This article claims to be about making wine at home in the same way as beer, although wine gets very little attention. An obvious remedy would be to write about home winemaking in this article, but I question whether the two topics belong in the same article. There is probably sufficient information for two articles (Homebrewing for beer and Home winemaking for wine). Does anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
For example, take the opening sentence: "Homebrewing is the brewing of beer, wine, cider and other beverages, both alcoholic and non-alcoholic...". In my view, homebrewing isn't necessarily the brewing of beer, as in most of the kits no actual brewing is involved (they come pre-brewed). Further, wine and cider are never brewed. In this sense, homebrewing is a misnomer when applied to beer kits and any beverages that aren't brewed like wine or cider. Rename? Split? Better opening paragraph explaining (with references) the term? Eb.eric (talk) 06:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that the "beer homebrewer" and the "home winemaker" use much of the same equipment, retailers, and processes tells me that these should definitely be in an article together. Clifsportland (talk) 22:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As someone who has been engaged in home winemaking, I question why Home Winemaking is redirected to Homebrewing. While they are similar, they are not the same. WeeCub (talk) 20:05, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home winemaking 

message: I've added a tone tag to the homebrew kit section, as it uses a lot of opinion language relating to quality, and is also very UK centric. - superβεεcat  01:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That section was bothering me too. I've rewritten it with more organization, removed sources that were businesses and added clarity. Unfortunately, now it is poorly sourced. Help by adding sources please. Cliff (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tone 

message: The article cites sources from self-published webpages of commercial suppliers who sell equipment who's contents are not research based.  Neutrality is also questionable.  Cantaloupe2 (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credible references 

message: A pervasive myth/falsehood exists on the Internet that somehow in 1933 something was done that caused beer to be treated differently than wine.  The pervasive myth goes something like:
"The 18th Amendment to the US Constitution, enacting prohibition in 1919, made homebrewing in the USA illegal. When the 21st Amendment repealed prohibition in 1933, language legalizing home beer making was mistakenly left out (home wine making was legalized at that time)."
Something very similar was in this article and may very well be the source of the myth.  This article attributed it to a "clerical error".
First of all, the 21st amendment simply states that the 18th amendment is repealed.  There is no language legalizing home wine making or home beer making.  In fact there was nothing for any cleric to make any error about.
Second, the different treatment of home wine making and home beer making appears to stem from a 1920 IRS ruling that allowed higher alcohol content for fuit juice and cider but not for beer.  See the Wikipedia article on the Volstead Act.
We need to stomp down this myth because it is simply nonsensical and creates a lot of confusion around the history.  I have edited the section in question.
::The last paragraph in the history section still alludes to the illegality of homebrewing until 1978. This doesn't fit with what you have written and corrected. Any ideas about how to correct that paragraph? Clifsportland (talk) 16:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixing a Pervasive Myth 

message: Anyone with time should begin to check this article for percentages. All percentages should be marked as "percent by weight" or "percent by volume". For instance, a beer that is 3.2% alcohol by weight (ABW) has the same alcoholic content as a 4% alcohol by volume (ABV) beer. These are equivalent amounts of alcohol, and cause some confusion. I have appended the correct measure to the percentage in the section referring to the legality of homebrewing in Japan. Other percentages should be marked as well. Clifsportland (talk) 21:58, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentages. 

message: I was just reviewing the Australian links and sources. They have a provision for what they call "brew on premises" sites. see here. I have seen sites like these in the US too. We should make a section that discusses the process and availability of such facilities for "homebrewing".  Cliff (talk) 19:46, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brew on premises 

message: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d095:H.R.1337:
This externally linked reference does not point to the place it's supposed to. I tried to find the indicated bill on the Library of Congress website, but was unable to. (H.R. 1337 points to something about greece). Anybody know which bill was signed by Jimmy Carter? Cliff (talk) 19:28, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You encode a colon as %3A as in http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d095%3AH.R.1337%3A — hope that helps. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Reference 

message: This section is a mess. I propose lifting summaries from the relevant parts of the main Brewing article, and linking for an in-depth discussion. While the equipment is (somewhat) different, the chemical changes are identical- there's no reason to retread the same ground. The section should be divided into something like: Milling, Mashing, Lauter (and sparge), Boil, Cooling, Fermentation, and Serving. These sections should include examples of the most common equipment used to accomplish each step. - superβεεcat  02:41, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homebrewing Process 

message: The recently added citation for Ireland's brewing laws made me think. There seems to be some conflated ideas about legality and taxation on the page. Should we rewrite to discern between when brewing requires taxation and when brewing is outright illegal? Cliff (talk) 18:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. Generally taxation applies only to homebrew products that are sold, not brewed for personal use. The citation regarding Ireland seems pretty clear that homebrewing beer with ABV of 0.5% or less is legal for personal use, but it is illegal to sell the product. There may be more to the laws of Irland that impose a tax on homebrewing for higher alcohol content, but I don't see it from that citation (and it would be tough to enforce anyway if it's all made for personal use, so I doubt it). ~Amatulić (talk) 22:51, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding was that it is not illegal to sell the beer, but that any beer sold must be subject to taxes and tax laws (which may require obtaining a license or something). It may be a minor distinction between illegal to sell, and illegal to sell without paying taxes, but I think it may be worth exploring. Am I reading the source incorrectly? Cliff (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're correct... but, as in most(?) countries, selling it within the licensing and tax laws moves it from a 'homebrew' to a 'microbrew'. 66.87.0.82 (talk) 18:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality. 

message: At this point can we remove the tag citing a lack of citations?  It would seem that this article has been cited fairly well. Fallbrews (talk) 03:00, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation tag 

message: The bit about the 41 periods of homebrew prohibitions in China comes from history of alcoholic beverages where it was unsourced. Seemed worth mentioning in the history section here, though. If you find a cite for the claim, kindly add it over there as well. — LlywelynII 11:15, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Prohibition

message: I've been working on the article BeerXML and have been faced with two users who have tried a variety of different approaches to getting it deleted. I would appreciate any help with the charge that the article is not on a notable topic at the deletion page Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/BeerXML. I have been forced into a request for comment at the BeerXML talk page and would very much appreciate any comments there so that the case for retaining and improving the article can be made Talk:BeerXML#RfC:_Has_the_article_demonstrated_notability.3F
I am also interested in whether a section on the variety of different recipe formulation applications available on computers/tablets/phones etc and the emergence of recipe sharing web sites would merit inclusion here.  Thanks -- Devils In Skirts! (talk) 21:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request For Comment 

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