Talk:America: Freedom to Fascism

message: I was surprised that the criticisms section didn't mention Russo's charge that the Rockefellers had invented feminism.  Since feminism goes back at least to Mary Wollstonecraft who lived well before the Rockefeller family rose to prominence, the assertion that it was invented by the Rockefellers is certainly ripe for criticism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.187.78 (talk) 23:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminism and Russo 

message: "Give me control of a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws."
I've seen the above passed around by a number of crackpots, but have never been given a clear reference for it.  Does anyone know of an actual source for the above?  It may be a creation of fascist propaganda.  William Dudley Pelley cooked up some phony Benjamin Franklin quotes in the 1930s which Charles Beard debunked, and I think this alleged Rothschild quote began circulating about the same time.  But I don't know of any actual attempts to track it down and verify or debunk it.  Is there more information available somewhere?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.127.187.78 (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The quote comes from the senate hearings for the Bill in 1914, and is actually a quote from a man named T Gushing Daniel (http://books.google.com/books?id=Q7MPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA771&dq=%22let+us+control+the+money+of+a+country%22#v=onepage&q=%22let%20us%20control%20the%20money%20of%20a%20country%22&f=false). He was loosely attributing to Rothschilds by saying it was the "maxim of the house of Rothschilds". It was a play on words which comes from an expression about music. More detail can be found here: http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/permit_me_to_issue_and_control_the_money_of_a_nation_and_i_care_not_who_mak/ Socratesone (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Which is not polite? The use of the word "crackpots" to describe people who use the quote.Socratesone (talk) 17:49, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

text: OP: I've often wondered about this quote myself; I'm also skeptical of its authenticity.  I'm not aware of the source, so I will mark it as an "alleged" quote.  Cool Hand Luke 14:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Doesn't seem to have a primary source. Would not be surprised if it's a junk quote. Many other urban legend "quotes" were used in this film, and it's hard to take this one at face value. Cool Hand Luke 14:47, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authenticated quote? 

message: Who put that rubbish in here?  Warburg did make an effort to look at banking systems in Europe, but the characterization of him as a "Rothschild representative" is just crapola from G. Edward Griffin.  Griffin is a Right-wing huckster who was first trained by the John Birch Society and later branched out on his own.  Nothing from any books by him should ever be cited on these pages except for the study of Right-wing yahooism.  Griffin is not a valid source on banking.  Period.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.247.122.232 (talk) 21:26, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warburg representative of Rothschild? 

message: I will repair this frankly daft error as best I can. Someone also please work on editing the title of the article.Racooon (talk) 22:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Racoon: No, actually the film is titled both ways. Or, rather, the film was titled both ways. In the early promotions for the film right before its release, Aaron Russo showed title with the word "From" in the title. Then, when the film was released, at least some versions (maybe all versions) deleted the word "From". As I recall, the name of this Wikipedia article was changed accordingly. Famspear (talk) 01:07, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: The film is subtitled 'from freedom to fascism', not 'freedom to fascism'

message: The entire "Inaccuracies" section is biased. Note the first sentence: "With regards to quotations, Russo often uses partial quotations and quotations out of context to make them appear that something else was meant than what was intended." This is a clear indication of bias on the part of an author of this page. Opinions should be referred to as such, and should be supplanted with references. Instead of the aforementioned sentence, an appropriate course would be to say "Critic X believes that Russo uses quotations out of context" followed with a refenrence to Critic X's original work.
Inserting positive declaration of right/wrong status into Wikipedia content is inappropriate. If you want to see an example of that kind of thing, check out Conservapedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.47.153.164 (talk) 04:06, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bias and improper use of this article

message: While the language of the whole thing feels biased, I know that the "In Popular Media" section is blatantly biased.  Where most wikipedia articles start off with the positive critical reviews of whatever subject is being discussed, then moves to negative critical reviews, this article only has negative critical reviews.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.172.61 (talk) 19:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps there are no positive reviews?  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 22:20, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a US citizen. If you saw the movie you would a) acknowledged that it was partial to a specific view point b) some of the facts on the wikipedia article if valid (making those in the movie invalid) continue to show that something is not right in the system. The government should work for the people and the people should support only a just and fair government. If, and especially, a public association asks for answers from the government, those answerers should be given, refusal to freely inform the people about the law that they should fallow seems a clear case of bad and corrupt governance. In any case even if I agree that the movie is partial and a bit manipulative, there are some good points exposed that just goes beyond what seems logic and fair. Of course I do support that taxes should be paid but that requires that the application of funds should be also openly disclosed and well used (it depends on the specific tax) but for what I've read about the income tax on the US and given the well acknowledged problems on how the FED is managing the currency situation (not at all transparent) something is rotten on that constitutional republic (that is also having world wide implications like the lack of regularization of rating agencies, what they are doing in Europe for instance).  --79.168.6.93 (talk) 08:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: After reading the discussion about the removed First Amendment section, the "Accountability Clause", I was surprised to learn it was removed. I think such a thing gives weight to the movies statement about the First Amendment and the government answering anyone's questions. This section seems to be a slap in the face of the authors conclusion that the First Amendment doesn't apply. What's needed here is precisely the First Amendment. It seems that "wiki-god, Arthur Rubin" likes to write about the First Amendment but implementation is a different matter. It seems he would rather make the "readers" mind up for him with information left out. As a "reader" myself, I found that insulting. I for one was surprised to read the "Accountability Clause" and didn't know it existed and I my opinion might be swayed in some way with this information. Maybe that's what Arthur Rubin "wiki-god" is afraid of?
Another thing I would like to see in the article is a broader scope. I would like to see more of a response to the movies "The Fed" information. Enough about the income tax, how about the evil entity "The Fed". In my opinion, a much more important subject and something that impacts us 99%ers much more then income tax. How about it "wiki-god, Arthur Rubin"? 68.197.57.97 (talk) 00:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You need a source for your statement, that's your immediate problem.  Find a reliable source (hint - read that page) that makes the claim and shows it's relevance to this article and you've got past one hurdle.  No source?  Not gonna happen.  Please though, be more careful than Russo was (see the lovely list of wrong and out of context quotes in the movie).  Ravensfire (talk) 00:43, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think the First Amendment is exactly whats needed. 

message: This article is ridiculously opinionated.
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, right?
106.56.135.47 (talk) 02:50, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Encyclopedia articles are often full of opinions. Many sources used in encyclopedia articles have "opinions." Wikipedia rules do not prohibit the use of opinions -- even biased ones. Wikipedia operates on the basis of various rules, one of which is Neutral Point of View, or NPOV. Under this rule, NPOV does not mean the absence of opinions or even the absence of biased opinions. Sources are allowed to have opinion, and sources are allowed to be biased. NPOV means that conflicting opinions and biases are presented in Wikipedia from a Neutral Point of View -- that is, without Wikipedia itself taking a stand in the article as to whose opinion is "correct." NPOV also means, however, that Wikipedia does not give equal weight to fringe viewpoints. Indeed, no encyclopedia should do that. Famspear (talk) 04:34, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ridiculously Opinionated 

message: We need a more detailed source as to what Rossotti was referring.  Ref[28] is unclear.  Perhaps he was referring to a 100% success rate in 'shooting down' the arguments of individuals who argued that there is no law requiring them to pay taxes.  Just because the context of the broadcast related to employers' refusal to withhold, doesn't mean that Rossotti didn't make the (accurate) statement that there is a 100% success rate....  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 04:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotation of Charles Rossotti 

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