Talk:Unix security

message: I'd like to start working on sections and cleaning them up.
===Patching===
I'd like to ditch most everything in this section and put in best-practices instead.  Thoughts? Tall Girl 22:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual,_guidebook,_textbook,_or_scientific_journal MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Future Work

message: I'd like to ditch most everything in this section and put in best-practices instead.  Thoughts? Tall Girl 22:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_manual,_guidebook,_textbook,_or_scientific_journal MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:55, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Patching

message: Rather then focusing on firewalls and such, i'd have expected this to be a general Unix article. Such as:
 On the Security of UNIX by Dennis Ritchie http://www.tom-yam.or.jp/2238/ref/secur.pdf
 Introduction to Computer Security: Unix security by Pavel Laskov - http://www.ra.cs.uni-tuebingen.de/lehre/ss09/introsec/08-unix.pdf
 And lectures, such as: http://213.174.143.38/download/cse497b-lecture-18-unixsecurity-pdf-14090696.html
81.206.113.131 (talk) 18:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Some papers

message: This article does not mention packet filtering and iptables.
:It does now!!!  Tall Girl 19:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the firewall section there should be a more general discussion of firewalling, packet filtering, stateful inspection etc. Then particular implementations should be mentioned whith details about what their features are in a general sense eg is it a simple packet filter, or an old implementation that ran on an older series of Kernals (eg ipchains). Ones that should be mentioned are (off the top of my head), OpenBSD packet filter (pf), [ipfw], [ipchains], [IPFilter] and any firewalling code included in propritary Unix (what do Solaris and AIX and HPUX use?). Only then should detailed descriptions of the particular filters syntax etc be mentioned and probably not in huge detail. Some mention could also be made of products like checkpoint firewall one that can run on a unix box, and various specific implementations with open source roots like smoothwall and astaro. To round out the firewall section there could be a discussion about firewall products which tend to contain things like web filters (eg squidguard, dansguardian) spam filters (eg spam assassin, mailscanner) vpn terminators, bandwidth management (QoS) and anti-virus. Htaccess 19:50, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry that I'm 18 years late for the feedback, but I just removed that section. As you say, it pushes the article to be a Linux-specific thing, and atop of that, with nftables, this whole section was not only a fair bit too deep, but also a fair decade too outdated :) Hope you don't mind! MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Packet filtering 

message: This article does not mention grsecurity.
: … And that's totally OK for an article on general UNIX security. This isn't about Linux, nor is it useful for any likely reader to link to them here. MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  grsecurity 

message: This article does not mention Intrustion Detection Systems and Snort.
: … and that's OK for an article on UNIX security, as opposed to general computer (network) security. IDSes are as relevant to UNIX systems as to Windows networks, or clusters of Amigas, if you care enough.  MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  IDS 

message: Maybe ClamAV should be mentioned?
: no; that's not UNIX security. Information like "as with most other operating system families, there is anti-virus software that runs on various UNIX platforms" would be specific enough, but honestly, where's the value in stating that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MüllerMarcus (talk • contribs) 10:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malware and Virus 

message: I exported this page to v:Unix security. You may now adjust it for Wikipedia's purposes. - Sidelight12 Talk 11:50, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exported 

message: Is it really necessary to have the superman analogy? The explanation should be self-explanatory, without requiring an explanation to explain the previous explanation. If it's a concept that should be broken down into more simple terms, that should ideally be done via the initial explanation. It's also very tonally distinct from the rest of the article. 121.98.148.203 (talk) 03:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that was silly, and uncited, I removed it (see below) MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Root access

message: This article really is not good. The "needs citations" template has been there for nearly 10 years now, and forcing oneself to add sources would have made the authors realize that a lot of the content they've added is not relevant to this article, too specific, or hearsay.
So, I'll do Wikipedia:Be bold and clean this up now. Most of the things I'm about to remove are already part of other articles, or simply not encyclopedic. MüllerMarcus (talk) 10:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Done for now; not removing the "generally lacks citations" template, because I could not source all claims nor clearly mark them individually. This is still not a great article, but at least it's a bit more on-topic and correct now. MüllerMarcus (talk) 11:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm doing cleanup – uncited claims, wrong claims, overgeneralizations and tutorial content