Talk:Victoria Principal

message: Reading the article would lead one to believe that acting in Judge Roy Bean was the catalyst that launched her career. Anyone old enough to remember knows that it was her Playboy spread! Her total lack of acting skills was the most notable aspect of her "performance" in Judge Roy Bean.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.56.78 (talk) 15:24, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Bean

message: She was indeed born in 1950.  Her high school yearbook from South Dade High School (Florida) is readily available on Classmates.  She is featured in the 1968 yearbook therefore making her 18 in 1968.  She was known as Vicki Principal then.  The pictures are unmistakably her.  She is found on pages 125, 127 (she was a 1967 Homecoming princess), and her senior picture is on page 161. In addition, her name is mentioned as a member of the class of 1968, listing her extracurricular activities.  Those activities are on page 216. This is what it says: "Vicki Ree Principal  Transfer Student. FTA 3; Homecoming Court 4; Playmakers 4; Literary Magazine 3." Enough is enough about this "lying about her age" nonsense when the truth is easily had.  The school yearbook is irrefutable evidence of her age.--SN 26 May 2017
why does she continue to lie about her age????--65.124.77.23 15:08, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted year of birth from 1945 to 1946.  This is supported by IMDB, among other citations.  While her year of birth may be in question, it is extremely unlikely that she was born in January 1945 as a U.S. military brat in Japan (which other than the date seems undisputed)  In January 1945 Japan was still at war with the U.S., and the only American military there were POWs. - Bert 171.159.64.10 23:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Victoria Principal was born in Fukuoka, Japan, the eldest daughter of United States Air Force sergeant Victor Principal" - If she was indeed born on 3 January 1945 to a United States Air Force sergeant, she was not born at Fukuoka, Japan.  The United States wasn't "invited" to Japan until after 15 August 1945.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.64.0.252 (talk) 23:09, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

text: IMDb should be used very cautiously as a reference - other than Writers Guild of America credits, its content is essentially fan-submitted with an undisclosed degree of verification or sources. On the other hand, the Dallas Interviews site, an official site for the Dallas series in which Principal acted, gives 1950 as year of birth. That may very well derive from her own publicity, but it is verifiable. (The first sentence of WP:V states: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.) What source, not counting IMDb, is to be quoted as a reference for 1946? Gimmetrow 21:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  An anon editor keeps changing the year of birth to 1945 citing "Parade mag several years ago". Without at least a more specific issue, how can anyone verify such a citaton? Gimmetrow 20:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Age

message: Some of the comments here go way beyond wanting to correct the record, to obsessing about Principal's age in a way that bespeak some mental illness.
What's wrong with putting both 1946 and 1950 in until there's a definitive source? What is it to the various posters to make such nasty comments? So WHAT if she lies about her age? Is this important for some real reason?? 68.36.127.193 09:43, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read something on BBC.com, you may not know it's true but at least you know the source and can form some opinion about the source's bias and reliability. With an anonymous forum post, you can't even do that. Anybody can post on imdb saying they have inside information. That's why Wikipedia tries to follow published sources, not anonymous comments on forums. Gimmetrow 04:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obession with her age 

message: There really is no way to solve this and be encyclopedic about it except to STATE outright that her birth year is in dispute. The actress is not a reliable source, due to her vested interest as an elderly actress and a proprietor of anti-aging products. She may also be using legal muscle to have the info changed, for those reasons, in various venues, as she says in her Dallas.com interview. Changing sources like the World Almanac are not reliable nor primary. "People who went to high school with her" are not reliable sources, as anyone could be behind those, including her own camp. The only VALID and primary source would be her birth certificate, which no one on Wikipedia has.
Therefore, I have stated the obvious in the article: Her birth year is in dispute. It's the only way to be accurate and to avoid the constant round-robin of changes. 
After a bit of research, I've come upon a couple of further bits of info: On The Tonight Show she stated that she was the first American baby born in Japan after the war . Also, she apparently moved to New York in 1966 to pursue an acting career. This was after graduating from high school and attending a year of Miami-Dade Community College chiropractic classes . This seems to support a birth year of 1946 or 1945. I'm not (necessarily) advocating that as her official birthdate for the encyclopedia, even though I personally find it far more logical and supported by what is known about her. IN SUM, as we've seen in various discussions on this page, there is overwhelming evidence to label her birth year as in dispute. Softlavender (talk) 11:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. Until someone presents genuine reliable sources explicitly saying something other than 1950, there is no dispute. Gimmetrow 12:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is every dispute, and it should be noted. I've placed it in the footnote instead. Let's not give in to the actress's apparent/probable legal railroading by listing a probably inaccurate birthdate without noting that in all probability it is inaccurate. This is an encylopedia, after all. Thanks! Softlavender (talk) 12:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: http://tv.yahoo.com/victoria-principal/contributor/840865/bio is not a reliable source. Gimmetrow 12:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: http://www.celebrityindex.com/Victoria_Principal/biography.html is not a reliable source. Neither is imdb or nndb. Gimmetrow 12:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-added the alternate birth years in the footnote, without mention of the word dispute. Since the 1950 birth year seems to be a recent and suspect birth year, and the two other birth years were extremely prevalent beforehand, especially prior to 1995, it has to be held up to scrutiny and skepticism. I've explained why Principal has apparently been legally hounding sites and publications to change her birth year to 1950. Still she hasn't produced a birth certificate which would settle the controversy. Since this is an encyclopedia, best to err on the side of noting those variations rather than report only what her publicists want us to. Softlavender (talk) 12:52, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  What controversy? You have provided zero reliable sources. Do you understand that? Gimmetrow 12:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Birth year in dispute" 

message: ...I thought Principal had been linked romantically to Anthony Perkins? Yeah I know he was gay, but apparently they were indeed romantically linked. Anyone else ever heard this? --24.21.149.124 (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anthony Perkins?

message: Wasn't VP's mother Japanese? If so the article should say this.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 12:44, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principal's mother 

message: Victoria Principal is known to lie about her age. Joan Rivers even exposed it. Can we remove the false age now?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.32.73 (talk) 10:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

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