Talk:Sailor Venus/Archive 1

message: The information below is for the anime. I can't account for the manga.
First, Minako was in England on information that the Dark Kingdom was there. There, she met Alan, and fell in love with him. Then, she came across a crime in progress. Katarina, THE ONLY INTERPOL OFFICER, was chasing a male criminal. The criminal held a little girl hostage, and turned into a youma. Sailor V appeared, destroyed the youma, and THEN Katarina and each other met. Katarina learned Minako was Sailor V, and then taught Minako English, and Minako adored her like a big sister. Minako. introduced Alan to Katarina, and the two fell in love too. Then, Sailor V and Katarina followed a criminal to an old abandoned warehouse, where someone tossed a grenade at Sailor V. The grenade exploded, sending Katarina flying. Katarina watched as the warehouse burned down, believing without a doubt that Minako was dead. Sailor V had escaped through an alley. Katarina found Alan, and told him Minako/Sailor V was dead. Sailor V watched, and made up her mind. She figured out that without her knowing, Alan and Katarina had fallen in deep love. She disappeared from both their lives. She thought they would be happier thinking she was dead. Later, the Dark Kingdom got word that Katarina knew Sailor V, and turned her into a youma to try to get information in Episode 42. The youma chased them down, and Sailor V was there trying to find Katarina. They found each other, the youma attacked, Usagi arrived and the two escaped on boat to an abandoned cruise ship. There, Minako told them her story, but Katarina-youma arrived, and Sailor Moon healed her with Moon Healing Escalation.
This is all the history. I'm going to leave this here in hopes someone will read it and add this CORRECT information because it's not up to standards, just written out.
I have something to add too....
She Does speak English in the manga as Codename wa sailor V was set in england! How could she be in england and not speak English!  That fact needs changed (under her statistics) I don't know how someone thought she doesn't speak it in the manga....  I made that part invisablble (its still there) for now.!Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Incorrect information

message: Let me start this by highlighting what I think needs changing in the current article:
Also, her family name, Aino (愛野) does not start with the same kanji as that of the Japanese name for her planet, Kinsei (金星). If the pattern of the other Senshi were followed, the logical name for her would be the characters 金野 (usually read Konno). It is possible that Naoko Takeuchi used the Roman goddess Venus as the basis for her name instead.
While it is true that according to the logic of the naming of the other characters her name would have been 金野 the main reason for her name being what it is is not stated here.  The reason that her name is Aino Minako is because the kanji in her first name, Minako, are the following:
美奈子
These three characters are usually read "Minako" but Naoko Takeuchi was counting on her readers catching the pun that is created when you use an unconventional reading.  The fact is that these three characters can also be read
美 = bi
奈 = na
子 = su
or the Japanese reading of Venus "Binasu".  So her name, in kind of a funny way, could be read Aino Binasu or Aino Venus and thus in a less direct way preserving the naming pattern.
--Schopenhauer7 14:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, replacing the last sentence. The remainder of that paragraph badly needs to be edited (what is "Lucero" doing in there?), but since I wrote the first version of it I don't feel I should be the one to make those edits (I'd be too tempted to be lazy and just revert it). --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 08:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, whatever; edited it anyway. I've removed (some of?) the extraneous  templates; we really only need one of those per page.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 17:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  愛野美奈子 - Minako Aino 

message: The reason Sailor Moon's and Sailor Venus's attacks overlap is due to their mythology. Venus, the goddess, was often associated with the moon, and therefore, there were several blatent revferences to this--such as the infamous switch, being mistaken for each other, and the overlap of the types of attacks. I didn't correct it because I'm feeling a little lazy and it would take a lot of work to separate that information and put it under mythology.
Hitsuji Kinno 22:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  .... Personally I'm going to file all of this under "fan speculation". But, my two cents: other natural satellites are commonly called moons, even by astronomers; in fact, by some definitions Terra and Luna are actually a double planet system – in which case Earth has no moon.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Something I Didn't Add, but should be corrected

message: I fixed the blanatly wrong assumption that Sailor V was finished AFTER Sailor Moon. That's not true at all. It was finished DURING Sailor Moon. What happened was that Sailor V was a dismal failure, so Naoko-hime decided to incooperate the character into her new series, Sailor Moon, which was a monumental success. Once fans discovered that Minako had appeared before, they demanded that Codename wa Sailor V be finished, so Naoko finished it, switching the focus so that the Dark Agency was in fact aligned with the Dark Kingdom. Shortly AFTER Sailor Moon was finished, Naoko-hime was working on PQ Angels, her as to yet unfinished series with Nakayoshi, which was dropped after 4 months since Naoko-hime left Nakayoshi due to problems with Nakayoshi keeping her manuscripts. After that, she wrote Naoko-hime's Return to Society Punch, which explained it, fans got mad and Nakayoshi was forced to return the manuscripts. The feelings have been mended between the two.
Also, Sailor Venus has the element of metal. All her attacks in the original Manga are METAL based as she uses her whip/belt that is looped around her waist. The references to Love, Beauty and well the flirtacious wink (of Wink Chain Sword) come from the Greco-Roman elements of Venus.
:Um Sailor V wasn't a "dismal failure" it was only intended as a one-off. Toei saw it's potential and contacted Naoko and asked if she could expand it into a sentai-like series with more than one magical girl. So Naoko eventually created Sailor Moon (the series was going to have Minako as the main character but for some reason Naoko changed her mind). Sailor V ran in Nakayoshi at a slower rate than Sailor Moon and finished after Saikor Moon (but not much later). GracieLizzie 10:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor V/Element corrections 

message: This page is in violation of Wikipedia rules - especially since we want to avoid copyright infringement. One screencap per article is allowed. I suggest that some of them are deleted. strideranne 23:09, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Screencaps and WikiRules

message: Please discuss here whether to include foreign names when they do not match the english name. Thanks. -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foreign names really needed? 

message: I changed the 'Wink Chian' article (which was on the way to being deleted) into a redirect. Juuuust so everyone knows. --Masamage 07:02, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wink Chain 

message: Just so you all know, I've made a new article at Princesses (Sailor Moon). The merge notices are gone now, because that group of stubs has been cleared up. Now that it's done, please feel free to edit and cite to your heart's content! ^_^ -Masamage 20:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princesses Article 

message: Well, with the scouts, the word after "Sailor" let's you know where they were born, for example, Sailor Moon was born on the moon. --PJ Pete
:Actually, it doesn't. Sailors Phobos and Deimos were born on Coronis, not the moons they're named after. The only Senshi Castles shown in the manga are orbitting their planets, not actually on the surface. It is never stated whether, say, Sailor Mars actually comes from Mars, or was just a Moon-born (or Earth-born) given responsibility for it. --Masamage 02:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And technically all the "present day" girls were re-born in Japan on Earth.  Same as Mamoru.  -SaturnYoshi 05:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplaces 

message: Maybe this section could include information on her relationship with Kaitou Ace in her series. Also, do you think that maybe the part about her being attracted to Haruka isn't relevant with her character, since it conflicts with her general character. Does the creator's quote apply to her, is it relevant with her? Maybe the part about her attraction to Haruka and the following piece could be changed, as it could give viewers a misconception of her character, as the quote may not pertain to her, and a section about her relationship with Kaitou Ace added. Her bond with Zoisite in the live action version might be another addition, as many fans seem to ship it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MamoruDarienFan (talk • contribs) 
:All good points. This is just a preliminary thought, but maybe the thing about heterosexual girls being attracted to Haruka should be addressed on Haruka's page? Then the idea would still be covered, but more widely and more interestingly. (It needs to be somewhere, though, because they all totally are. (I love the first bunch of S episodes. Ahhhh.))
:Kaitou Ace--is that her boyfriend from England? A whole section probably isn't necessary, but certainly a few sentences would be good. (Was that during the Sailor V series? If so, most of the information about it should be in that article, with this page only mentioning what the SM series says about it.) The Zoisite thing might be mentioned briefly under Variations, but no 'shipping, please. ;) --Masamage 21:17, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found some info on Kaitou Ace.  He's a character from the Sailor V manga.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 21:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kaitou Ace and more

message: I'm about to fix up the stats up to code, BUT the rest of the page looks like an awful mess. The anime is before the manga, bits of Sailor V are scattered in a confusing manner, the variations part is out of order, anime episode info needs to be cited correctly (not by Japanese titles, but by the system we've set up to cite episodes) and the bits just need general organizational info. So lots of reorganizing. I think this page suffered a lot by being listed last among the Inners. (I can't help feeling bad for Hotaru whose much later on...) As for info, there are a few bits of things I'd like to add, but it would be easier to add once this page is organized properly underneath the sections. Codename wa Sailor V, Sailor Moon manga, Sailor Moon Anime, Musicals, Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon. Rinse and repeat as needed. I'm going to go back and finish the referencing for the stats that I missed earlier. --Hitsuji Kinno 03:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing and Fixes

message: "In the Original Picture Collection Vol. I, Takeuchi expresses a desire to explore the possibility of such relationships, but as of September 2006 it may only be speculated on." Huh?
My question is, What happened in September?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 00:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was probably when that sentence was written.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 05:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest rewriting it. Phrases in Wikipedia should be "timeless", otherwise you would have to be updating them every month. -- ReyBrujo 05:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  September of 06? 

message: I'm just wondering who did this and with what justification they did the Sailor V image change... could someone vote for or against this image. It kind of doesn't really conform to the rest of the formatting... --Hitsuji Kinno 06:47, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did it.  I guess if you don't like it, you can get rid of it.  It was kind of discussed on the Sailor V manga talk page.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was indeed. And I actually had a go at a similar image myself, which can be viewed here. --Masamage 08:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Maybe this would in fact be better at the Codename Wa article? As an example of the variations the original manga inspired? --Masamage 08:30, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it can be moved.  I'm actually going to fix it up a bit and get rid of all the dead space around the PGSM pic.  I won't be able to do it right now, but it will be better before this time tomorrow.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I fixed the pic, if anyone still feels that it should move it can be done.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 01:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Change 

message: Sailor V redirects here, We should probably have it redirect to Codename wa Sailor V Lego3400:  The Sage of Time 19:56, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're right. I'll make the switch and add a disambig note to the top of the Codename Wa article. Thanks! --Masamage 00:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, but it's already got a note. Hooray. --Masamage 01:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, that was me! I was thinking ahead :DLego3400:  The Sage of Time 19:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor V redirect

message: In Japanese, Sailor Venus is Seiraa Binusu (セイラア ビヌス). However, not only the sound of an "R" replaces the "L", the sound of a "B" replaces the "V". --PJ Pete
:I'm not sure what you're getting at, but your spelling is slightly incorrect. Sailor Venus in Japanese is "Seeraa Biinasu" (セーラーヴィーナス). See this scan. --Masamage 00:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What scan? Mine was from the Materials Collection, which is written by Naoko Takeuchi. If you mean yours, I'm not sure what "translated into Japanese" means, since of course the English name is the translated one. I'm kind of doubtful that any of the Sailor Moon video games spell Venus's name differently from the manga, but if they do, I'm definitely putting my preference in Takeuchi's spelling. If you need another example, here's the panel where she introduces herself. --Masamage 22:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sailor Venus in Japanese