Talk:Xbox Live Arcade/Archive 2

message: Use the :Image:Microsoftpoint.gif now for Microsoft Points - looks better, saves space, and is more accurate. JAF1970 17:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job, your change makes the games table look a lot nicer and saves a bunch of space. SeanMooney 22:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't use non-free images like that. See WP:NONFREE. -- Ned Scott 03:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was granted permission, number one. Number two - don't vandalize. Number three, you're going to have to go to a LOT of pages which list MSRP for stuff, and price references, and Microsoft Points, and... JAF1970 04:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:NONFREE I must agree with Ned Scott.  If you review the policy, point 3a states we should use the non-free image as little as possible.  Point 8 states it should not be used for cosmetic reasons in lists.  I personally feel that if the image tag were improved upon it could be used as a header, but not 68 times in the article.   Big Merl 02:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not cosmetic. JAF1970 03:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Microsoft Points symbol

message: As listed on the Band of Bugs oficial Xbox.com site. JAF1970 06:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New category - User Creatable Content

message: Once again, the XBLA page was getting unwieldly, so it makes sense to just keep the CURRENT stuff (ie. games already released) on the XBLA page, and move the upcoming stuff to its own page. This is only to keep the main XBLA article clear with some more brevity. Besides, having to update is now a little easier as well. The new page is at Upcoming games for Xbox Live Arcade, and I added the two spinoff pages to the Xbox nav box. JAF1970 18:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Upcoming games for Xbox Live Arcade

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Xblalogo.jpg

message: You used to be able to get a sortable list of current releases. I thought this was very useful (and updated the content to a format that sorted correctly) because a casual Xbox owner could come see what had updated since they last checked (which might be greater than the Xbox Arcade's 2 week or so what's new cycle). What happened to it?
Kirkjerk 12:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Current Games List Used to Sort

message: Let’s try to focus on the article.  Cease & desist type threats, questions about people’s right to edit this article, and then responses to those sort of thing, are not making this a better article.
I believe that removing information on the promotional programs run by Xbox Live would make this a more concise, more relevant article.  The particulars on some 48-hour sales giveaways and price-cut history on a single game title out of 96 do not seem noteworthy.
That said, because there is not consensus between us over the noteworthiness of these promotional programs, in my 3rd and 4th edit I simply moved them to a new section that is clearly marked “Xbox Live Arcade Promotional Programs.”  I did not delete them.  I will put them in this new section again – you can check it out if you reverted my previous two edits assuming that the promotional programs had been completely deleted rather than simply moved.  Please explain why it is inappropriate to put these promotional programs in their own section if you continue to so believe. BlueCroc 13:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Focus on the article

message: The image Xbla360.jpg is no longer a current screenshot of the Xbox Live Arcade from within the Xbox Dashboard. The New Xbox Experience update, released on November 15, 2008, replaces the old "blades" interface with an entirely new Dashboard content presentation system. I would like to suggest that someone with an HD capture card and experience in the nuances of the fair use of images add an updated screenshot of the XBL Arcade interface, as it appears in the current Xbox 360 Dashboard. —The Berzerk Dragon (talk) 08:06, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Demonstrative screenshot is no longer current

message: Let’s try to focus on the article.  Cease & desist type threats, questions about people’s right to edit this article, and then responses to those sort of thing, are not making this a better article.
I believe that removing information on the promotional programs run by Xbox Live would make this a more concise, more relevant article.  The particulars on some 48-hour sales giveaways and price-cut history on a single game title out of 96 do not seem noteworthy.
That said, because there is not consensus between us over the noteworthiness of these promotional programs, in my 3rd and 4th edit I simply moved them to a new section that is clearly marked “Xbox Live Arcade Promotional Programs.”  I did not delete them.  I will put them in this new section again – you can check it out if you reverted my previous two edits assuming that the promotional programs had been completely deleted rather than simply moved.  Please explain why it is inappropriate to put these promotional programs in their own section if you continue to so believe. BlueCroc 13:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Focus on the article

message: I'm in the process of looking over the recent edits in response to a request for a Third Opinion. SilkTork *SilkyTalk 08:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Opinion

message: Based on a conversion with another editor, it seems a bit hefty to have 3 different lists for XBL games: the one on this page, Upcoming games for Xbox Live Arcade, and List of Xbox Live Arcade games by date.  To that end, I've created a new page at List of Xbox Live Arcade games which combines the released list with upcoming released into a sortable table. This doesn't include the add-on packs for the games listed in the by-date table, but these don't make sense in the overall picture - they should be listed on individual game pages, but as they're not "full games" I would leave them out of the table.
I've got to fix something with the date sorting (using hidden spans to help with this), but I wanted to offer this as a replacement for what is currently in this article, since via this form, moving a game from , say, announced to released will be very easy to do (changing one line on the table) as opposed to editing 3 different pages. Plus it should help with this article's length. --MASEM 19:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better XBL Game release table 

message: What is the memory footprint for the live arcade games?  And could you have a section on the storage options in general--that is, LA requires storage, which can either be memory cards (holds X games each) or the external HD. Thatcher131 03:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory footprint 

message: If "The service was relaunched beginning November 22, 2005 on the Xbox 360." means Arcade games are only available for the 360, that fact should be mentioned.  That would also affect the meaning of the free Arcade game promised due to the current :Xbox Live outage.  -- SEWilco (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, what this sentence means is that the service was relaunched on the Xbox 360, after having been originally launched on the Xbox, as described further down in the article.  There are indeed Xbox Live Arcade games for the original Xbox, again as the article describes in the appropriate section.  --Slordak (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, the article does mention "The following is a list of Xbox Live Arcade games released for the original Xbox:" but the use of past tense throughout the section makes it ambiguous as to whether the games are still available nor whether Arcade is still available after the 360 relaunch.  Thanks for the clarification; I haven't used Arcade nor noticed citable descriptions of it so don't know how to accurately improve the article.  -- SEWilco (talk) 17:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only 360 or not 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Xladb.jpg

message: Should we mention that Microsoft gave this game away for free, as an apology to shoddy performance during the holiday season? Seems kinda pertinant to me... SonicNiGHT (talk) 06:08, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They never specifically stated the game was an apology or compensation. Literally it was a thank you for our loyalty. Xenocidic (talk) 14:56, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we mention Undertow in the article, we need to mention Texas Hold 'Em, Carcassonne and possibly TotemBall (also free, but only works with Xbox Live Vision camera) too. StaticGull  Talk  11:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undertow 

message: The Xbox Live Originals are not specifically called "Xbox Live Arcade" games and therefore I think they need to be moved into the Xbox Live or Xbox Live Marketplace article, or perhaps to have their own article altogether. Thoughts? Xenocidic (talk) 14:57, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see they've already received treatment in the Xbox Live Marketplace article, so I've removed the section from this page. Xenocidic (talk) 14:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Xbox Live Originals are not arcade games

message: The names of games are scattered about the article without much reason, and the link to List of Xbox Live Arcade games.
I believe the games should be mentioned, together, in a single section and a link to List of Xbox Live Arcade games be made there.
Wageslave (talk) 06:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Games 

message: Xboxic JAF1970 (talk) 01:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 350MB file size

message: It has been reported that MIcrosoft will delete some live arcade games based on sale and review.  xblarcadeFoxhunt99 (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming they keep the plan as stated (that they will be delisted from XBLM), all that we need to do to reflect this here is to add another column to indicate the date delisted.  --MASEM 15:27, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is probably true, but seeing as it is digital content that's already been created, what's the point in removing it from purchase? Clutter of the Marketplace most likely. რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microsoft to delete under performing arcade games. 

message: There is no mention in the article of ability to back up your games or to carry them with you if you travel.  What happens in the event of a hard disk death? Or in the event that you stop paying for an Xbox Live account? --136.142.214.19 (talk) 13:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need to pay for an Xbox Live account to re-download the games if your hard drive were to fail. I suppose you could backup games to a memory card, but you'd also need your gamertag on that card for them to work on a console that wasn't licensed for particular the game. –xeno (talk) 13:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 136.142.214.19, I made some spelling error corrections, are they right? Okay, well every single download that hasn't been deleted, drum roll please.... is saved on the internet! Every game downloaded will come with your Gamertag if you recover it on another Hard Drive! But no, if you aren't online, your games won't be saved, until the last moment you were online.
Beside the point, if you play offline because your connection is down, do not recover your Gamertag at like your friend's house or something, unless you'd like those Achievements you earned offline to be turned into digital dust and float away, or something. რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backing up 

message: There was a note in the article that mentioned amateur software developers making games for Xbox 360 and getting a 70% revenue cut. This is not XBLA; this is Xbox LIVE Community Games, and if it is going to be mentioned, it should have its own article, if it does not already. Rainault (talk) 15:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed reference to Xbox LIVE Community Games 

message: The article says the game was made by interns, however the referenced page has no mention of this. Ajbrooks (talk) 09:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're talking about Aegis Wing?  Microsoft's own website doesn't specifically list this information as part of the game's details, no.  However, you should read the Aegis Wing article itself.  It includes the development information for the title, including the role of the interns.  Are you saying that one of the references there is what should be used in the Xbox Live Arcade article?  Seems reasonable.  --Slordak (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad info or reference? 

message: Not that I'm heartbroken over the matter, but the free game Yaris seems to no longer be available in the Marketplace.  NightChime (talk) 20:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yaris no longer available? 

message: Can someone please update the Dashboard photos since the NXE has been out for a few months already? რɫՒ◌§ 9¤ ॐ (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos/New Dashboard