Talk:Nissan Fairlady Z (S30)

message: I would like the title to be changed to Datsun 240Z as this is the original name. Calling them Nissan 240Z are for idiotic people who are ashamed to be associated with the Datsun name WilliRennen 14.07 31 January 2006 (UFC)
-I second this, the title of the article should be made 'Datsun 240z', Nissan 240z can be made a redirect to keep everything tidy. Also I might note that I think the articles on other Datsun models have the same problem, and they need to be fixed aswell. --Silver86 07:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree.  There never was a Nissan 240Z, it was a Datsun.--Mikebrand 21:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: After doing research for the 240ZG section, I have changed my mind about the article title.  Nissan 240Z is accurate.  While the vehicle was released in the US under the Datsun name, in Japan (where it was made) and in other markets, it was known as a Nissan.--Mikebrand 17:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change name to Datsun 240Z 

message: I believe the addition of the "Confusion" paragraph about the 240ZG to be fundamentally inaccurate - The ZG was more than just a 240Z with displaced mirrors, it had a whole new nose!  and who exactly confuses the two??  to consider it as a variant of the 240Z rather than a completely different model is a valid point of view.
:I moved the 240ZG to its own section and condensed the existing wordiig (without changing the meaning), but I am not in a position to list out all the differences between the two.--Mikebrand 22:42, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit of research and came up with a description that I am fairly confident is accurate (see article), but I am not sure it is complete.  Do anyone know if the differences between the 240Z and 240ZG were purely related to the body?  Or were there mechanical differences? --Mikebrand 17:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  240ZG 

message: This wikipedia article states that the 260z is not desirable because of it's lower HP rating of 140hp. The inside of the engine bay on a 260z shows that it has a Max HP of 162 at 5600 RPMs. What is the reason for this inconsistency?
A: During the production of the Datsun S30 series, nissan switched from GROSS HP (ie HP before accessories including alternator, etc) to SAE NET HP. This article is somewhat innacurate with its HP figures in that it is comparing the 240Zs 151 GROSS HP with the later 260Z and 280Z's SAE HP ratings. This article is comparing apples to oranges and it should be corrected. I don't have the actual numbers in front of me right now, but someone who does have them should chime in and correct the article.
As a direct answer to your question, I have no idea where this HP figure came from. There were 2 generations of the 260Z (the late 1973/early 1974 and the later 1974 260Zs), noticeable by the bumpers among other things. Unsure completely, but maybe the newer 260Zs had gross and the later had net listed?
 -- My take on it is the US 260z had 139hp gross, ROW 260z had 162hp gross. The 70-72 240z had 151hp gross, 73 US 240z had 129hp gross. It seems that SAE gross hp was used to measure the power of all Z's 70-78. Remember that going from 9:1 compression in the ROW 260z to 8.3:1 in the US version could easily account for 23 hp gross lost.
^ In regards to that which was mentioned above, the 129 and 150/151 ratings for the 240Z are correct. In SAE gross (which was the rating system for the day), the HP figures for 70-73 240Zs was 151/150; or 129 HP adjusted to later, SAE net specs. This is apparent on dyno testing (which i personally have not done, but other Z owners have) where the 260/280 platform puts out more HP at the wheels than the 240. I will attempt to research some more evidence. --E racer1999 01:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect 260z horsepower 

message: The following was posted at the bottom of the article, but clearly belongs on the Talk page.  I do not vouche for its accuracy and am merely moving it here. --Mikebrand 18:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article above says Bob Bondurant ran the BRE Racing Team including the 240Zs piloted by John Morton.  Check Bondurant's wikipedia article and site http://www.bondurant.com/about/bobbondurant.php to see that is not confirmed.  BRE was Brock Racing Enterprises  http://www.datsun.org/fairlady/BRE.htm started and run by Pete Brock. See also http://zhome.com/Racing/Racing.htm It seems Bondurant used some Datsuns for a while in his school, http://www.classicdatsun.com/zz/TheBondurant240Z.htm and might have collaborated in some ways with BRE, but does not seem to have been the driving force behind BRE's Datsun racing campaigns.
Bob Bondurant racing school started with Datsuns.  Here is a late '70's video of Bob selling retread tires with S130, and Datsun 810 cars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TxexxPeumo  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stagr.lee (talk • contribs) 19:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: BRE Racing Team

message: This section requires some attention if it is going to be seaprate from the rest of the S30 section. I corrected some grammatical errors in the Z432R section, however much needs to be adressed for this to be a well-flowing entry. --E racer1999 01:18, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  432 

message: You should add the fact, the car was designed by Graf Albrecht von Goertz.
That would be fine and dandy if it was entirely true. Von Goertz participated in early works with Nissan for a sports coupe in th 1960s, but the idea was later scrapped. A separate entity was designed by a Japanese fellow shortly thereafter. If you feel that I am inaccurate, you may want to discuss it with the folks over at Nissan, because that is the story that they stand by. It is worth mentioning that von Goertz never explicitly claimed that he designed the Fairlday Z (or any other name it has). For a more in depth discussion on this topic, visit: http://zhome.com/History/Truth/GoertzMyth.htm . In response to this, I am removing the mention of von Goertz from this entry to avoid any further miseducation. E racer1999 19:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Even more interesting is the claim that the design originated with Dick Avery at Ford. I'm not going to start that catfight but a little research will turn up some interesting interviews with Mr Avery (who became the head of design at Chris-Craft for many years, during their heyday.) 203.160.86.243 (talk) 15:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: htt ps:// youtu.be/2N0jrbqbkec 2601:1C0:8380:16E0:C559:41C3:2536:941E (talk) 11:53, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: German Design

message: Was the L20 available in the JDM 240z?  Which model engine was it?Nly8nchz (talk) 09:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The L24 was an export engine for the Datsun 240Z, and the L20A was a JDM engine for the Nissan Fairlady Z. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 17:15, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  L20 Straight 6 in JDM 240Z? 

message: The five paragraphs on the page Nissan S30 are so filled with misinformation and incorrect data, that it should be deleted. Editing it at this point would simply result in a page impossible to read/comprehend or benefit from.
It is also very important to delete the Goertz Myth - it has been disproven, the real design team has been defined. Time to quite repeating the mistakes made by writers in the past.
Nissan S30 could refer to at least two different subjects.<BR>
1. Nissan S30 - is the designation for the chassis upon which several different models of the Z Car are built.<BR>
2. Nissan S30 - is the specific model designation for the Nissan Fairlady Z-L as sold only in Japan with a 2.0 liter L20A and later 1S30 with the L20E engine.<BR>.
To bad Nissan used S30 for both purposes - but they did and we have to live with it. Whenever we use S30, it has to be farther defined to be useful. For example:  Nissan S30 chassis....   Nissan S30 Fairlady Z-L....  Nissan's S30 was quite an upgrade to their base model the S30S in Japan.
Nissan used two basic chassis designations for their First Generation Z Cars, the S30 and S31. These were modified to designate or account for the longer 2+2 chassis.. ie GS30, GS31.. So to be more correct or more complete Nissan used four basic chassis for their First Generation Z Cars.
I suggest that the Article titled Nissan S30, should more specifically address the Nissan S30 and S31 chassis. It's physical description, and all the various models that were based upon it. Much the same as any discussion of GM's A Body or F Body would be. Saturn345 (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "the real design team has been defined" ... you are of course referring to Dick Avery at Ford ?  :-) 203.160.86.243 (talk) 16:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You are of course replying to a comment from over 11 years ago.  Stepho  talk  22:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete The Existing Text On This Page - Then do a complete rewrite more specific to the S30 S31 chassis 

message: I'm not an expert on ancestry of the 240z (though was a happy owner of a '72 years ago, sadly totalled but the car so solid I walked away with a few scratches!) but it seems to me there is some relationship to the 2000GT and that car's page links here. As I understand it Datsun pursued a sports car project with Yamaha, abandoned the partnership and Yamaha sought a new partner and ended up with Toyota and thus became the 2000GT- a car strikingly similar, much prettier but likewise prohibitively expensive. As Datsun came out with the Z 3 years later than Toyota, but had worked on the original project with yamaha, isn't there surely some crossover lineage which bears mention? While some might argue they are two different cars it would be disengenuous to assume Yamaha did not take some of Datsun's ideas and they ended up in the 2000GT, and that Datsun did not likewise take some of Yamaha's ideas that ended up in the 240z. The connection of the two cars and automaker brands of course being Yamaha. While I'll always love my 240z I was walking through a parking lot in Honolulu in the early '80's while in the Navy on liberty from the USS Coral Sea and parked like it was any average car was a RHD 2000GT, white and so gorgeous I stopped and stared for nearly an hour. Thus my love affair. Both cars stylewise are derivitives of both the 250 Testarossa and the E type Jaguar IMO. Rumor has it the dimensions are so close the window glass in the 240z is nearly interchangeable with that of the Ferrari.  Regards!Batvette (talk) 14:38, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  relationship to Toyota 2000GT? 

message: Some of the specs are incorrect.  The 280Z was longer than the 240Z given the larger bumpers.  The 260Z also had differences. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 17:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Specifications

message: I have completed an extensive reorganization of the existing content with little change in the content, save any errors found.  I hope everyone agrees this improves readability. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 18:07, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganization

message: As far as I know Paul Newman never raced an S30. --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 12:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul Newman

message: It became evident by the end of the seventies that these vehicles, at least in the USA, just didn't last long.  One saw fewer and fewer of them on the roads (and more and more of them in junkyards)--I haven't seen one in years.    I don't believe this was because they were driven carelessly.  Rather, I believe that they either rusted out, having been manufactured with a very thin steel, or that their engines gave up the ghost because of their lack of cooling capacity.  However, I have no sources or statistics to back up these assertions.  Anyone? C. Cerf (talk) 17:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Durability 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It has an opening rear hatch with a window that gives full access to the interior. That's a three-door, right? I know that some cars like this are referred to as coupes but that does not explain why it's marked everywhere as two-door. Dogs.barking.duster.rolling (talk) 11:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This car is a 3-door 

message: It feels like there is a lack of citations throughout the article, maybe give citations through the description of the different cars or something? Awesomesoup1 (talk) 02:42, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should more things be cited? 

message: The article claims that all variants have Chapman struts in the rear. A Chapman strut uses the half-shaft as the lower arm but the 240Z has a separate lower arm. See http://www.oldriceautos.com/blog/2011/datsun-280z-restoration-spindle-pins/ and https://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/CTGY/classic20n01 for diagrams.  Stepho  talk  01:37, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rear suspension 

message: I think the interior 240Z photo currently used showing blue interior should be replaced with one showing black interior because the blue is hideous but mainly because it was extremely rare. In fact I had never seen one until landing on this page. Like my '72 240, all 240 interiors I have ever seen are black. February 28, 2020 RPeel (talk) 14:35, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs 

message: 240ZG, 240ZG GTS-II along with the racing linearity of the car. 14.176.8.254 (talk) 13:46, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  add more motorsport aspects of the car 

message: I know this has been raised previously, however the current article name of Nissan S30 does not comply with WP:COMMONNAME. I propose the article should be renamed, under this rule, as Nissan Fairlady Z (S30).Davidstewartharvey (talk) 10:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of Article name