Talk:Windows XP/Archive 2

message: A round of applause for everyone who's worked to get this featured. This was one of the first articles I edited. Rhobite 05:41, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC)
:Yay! It was sometimes painful, sometimes frustrating, but at all times interesting to get this article featured. Thanks to User:Johnleemk for sorting out my bulleted list of features, and to all the others who clarified and worried away at the piece to get it to a standard where it could become featured! Truly, a great job at collaboration! - Ta bu shi da yu 05:48, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great work, everyone! - Brian Kendig 06:41, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: It's up to Raul654, there are many, many excellent articles however, so it could be chosen at any time :-) Ta bu shi da yu 03:22, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Round of applause 

message: I just dealt with a stylistic, non-content issue with a sentence in that section, but it has raised an eyebrow for me. Rather minor issue I am picking at here, but is the lack of Fast User Switching in previous versions a drawback to networking, or just a drawback to having multi-users on the same display? (By the display, I mean the Linux/Unix kind - ie. a display being one set/source of (standard) input and output, monitor and keyboard, ie. the first monitor and keyboard and mouse coupled together forms the first display). Because I do recall, that you could network logon to Windows (think ssh?), hence multi-users at the same time, just not on the same display? Its hardly a drawback to networking, unless you mean fully exploiting networking, with the hypothetical scenario, multiple employees for each computer with their own account. Ridiculous, isn't it? Thats why I think its a drawback to a multi-user consumer environment, the average consumer having only one display. Or does Windows lack a form its own ssh daemon, and Fast User Switching allowed that? This is why I brought it up here. -- Natalinasmpf 01:01, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, that's the first I've heard of being able to ssh into Windows, ala X Window System. I could be wrong, but I didn't think that Windows decouples the client from the server like the X Windows System does. However, usign the RDP protocol you can remotely get onto another computers desktop. Using resource direction (probably wrong terminology) you can use local printers and file shares. I dunno if this answers your question... - Ta bu shi da yu 01:26, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the lack of Fast User Switching really a drawback to networking? 

message: I've vastly shortened this:
 As the consumer line of Windows had not seen a new version for a while,
 Windows XP provided new or improved drivers for several new devices made
 available since Windows Me and 98. Among them are Firewire, PCI,
 USB and high-density storage devices and media (DVDs and CDs).
To this:
 Windows XP provided new and/or improved drivers and user interfaces
 for devices compared to Windows Me and 98.
First, there was no lag in consumer releases, 98, 98SE, and ME were released within 3 years of each other.  Second, PCI and USB have had support since Windows 95, and Firewire since 98 (or maybe SE).  I believe ME had the same CD support (a license for DirectCD and integration with WMP) that XP shipped with.  I added the term "user interfaces" because, to the user, thats what WIA provides/replaces and so it steps right into the next paragraph.
SchmuckyTheCat 22:01, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Device Support as feature add 

message: This article should state that some programs from earlier versions of Windows e.g. Windows 95 may not work on Windows XP (Noted in the programs as Windows 1.5). Some of those programs are games that came out during the 1995/1996 period.
Draig goch20 21:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP Installation problems 

message: The article currently states "When Windows 95 was released, 32-bit processors had just arrived on the scene...".
This sentence is misleading since the first 32-bit x86 was the 386, released in 1986, 9 years before Windows 95 was released. Perhaps this should be changed to something like "Windows 95 was one of the first 32-bit operating systems from Microsoft..." which would more accurately state what that sentence is trying to say.
*I re-worded this and the next paragraph too, as the next paragraph seemed to imply that huge amounts of win9x software was still 16 bit and had a hard time running on 9x. SchmuckyTheCat 19:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Innacuracy in Kernel Improvements section 

message: Hey, we're scheduled to go to the front page on June 4! That now said, can we convert our notes to Template:Note and Template:Ref similar to our Windows 2000 article? We'll need to wittle down the references list quite a bit I'm afraid. Anyone up for the challenge? - Ta bu shi da yu 06:31, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woohoo! 

message: Nice work.  Short and sweet. ✈ James C. 00:03, 2005 Jun 5 (UTC)
:Thanx :-) Ta bu shi da yu 03:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox/table 

message: I was writing a MS word document on a PC, I tried to right click and format some text and the entire system froze.  Now, I don't know that much about computers but that sort of thing should not happen and it does not happen when I use a mac, if a program froze on a mac only that program would be frozen, I would still be able to use other program's and access my hard drive, other programs or similar.  I could also very easily force quit the problem program (when I use force quit on a PC even that system feature mucks up and I spend half an hour waiting for a program to be force quitted and then I realise that when I move the mouse the icon that represent's it on the screen doesent move (the system has frozen again!!)).
::Mac's are Heaven, PC's are HELL!!!
Maybe they are, to people who can't spell (plurals don't have apostrophes).
I'm confused about the Whistler link in the first line of the article.  There seems to be no point providing the link unless it's to something relevant (e.g. an article on why they needed to use this codename).  As it is, it links to the place in Canada, with which there is not neccessarily any connection.  Whistler was also a painter, who's to say they didn't have him in mind?Palefire 06:58, Jun 5, 2005 (UTC)
Codenames are well documented.  And Whistler is the mountain, Blackcomb (another codename) is the other mountain, and Longhorn is a bar at the resort. SchmuckyTheCat 07:11, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Window's (any version) is Pathetic! 

message: "Luna is the name of the new visual style that ships with Windows XP, and is enabled by default for machines with more than 64 MB of RAM. As Windows XP requires 64 MB of RAM to install, this means that it is enabled for practically all users". When I installed Windows XP on an old PC with 64MB of RAM, the new visual style was disabled, not enabled by default. Is there a factual inaccuracy here? -- Eagleamn 13:52, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
*If you share system ram with your video card you can have less than 64Mb on a 64Mb machine. SchmuckyTheCat 21:23, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Luna 

message: Note: to start this off I'm posting this to a few Microsoft articles. 
I have kicked this off as I think we can do a lot better on many of our Microsoft related articles. Windows XP is just one example of a whole bunch of people getting together to fix up issues of NPOV, fact and verifiability of an article. I think that no matter whether you like Microsoft or not that we could definitely do with a review of: a) the articles that we already have, and b) the articles that we should have in Wikipedia! - Ta bu shi da yu 02:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Microsoft notice board]] 

message: Windows 2000 and XP still supports APM.
Yuhong 19:04, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  APM Support in Windows 2000 and XP 

message: I added a new section on this, but it needs to be added to. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 23:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  XP-N 

message: Someone added this claim to the article: The product activation feature has subsequently been dropped from the latest CD release of Windows XP, which comes with Service Pack 2 already installed. is this true, does Windows XP SP2 no longer need to be activated with Microsoft? - Brian Kendig 20:15, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No more activation? 

message: I will change the text in the article to solve this. The microsoft proposed thats the project "PC Conectado" use Winxp Starter Edition, but the project born to use Open Source Software (primary objective, the use o free software is acceptable, but not very like), and the propose has been ignored if it exists, i dont know anything of this and i know the project PC Conectado. Suns 02:49, 28 oct 2005 (-3 UTC)
The article claims this Windows version is available in Brazil. I´ve never ever seen this in Brazil. This was offered to our governament, but we refused it, since I personally can only beliave this is a joke or an insult to say that developing countries should use a Windows version that cannot run more the 3 programs at the same time. --Sekelsenmat 14:31, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious as to how starter edition knows it's on an LCD or on a CRT larger than 17"...  If you were to say that it is not LICENSED for use with a video card that includes DVI, that would make sense.  But unless they are actually reading the DDC data, and comparing to a database, then popping up an error saying "Sorry, this monitor isn't compatible with Windows Starter Edition", I don't see how else to do it.  Just saying 'limited to 1024x768' is good enough.  (I mean, without doing a lookup of the monitor model to a database saying if it's over 17" or not, the OS has no way of determining the physical screen size!  What if someone plugs it into a TV via an adaptor?)  Ehurtley 23:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this line.  It's wrong and unreferenced. SchmuckyTheCat 01:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP Starter Edition 

message: To save space, I've refactored this section of discussion into summary form; the full text can be found in this revision. - IMSoP 14:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tenth Product" as opp "eXPerience" - too speculative to add? 

message: I have a Dell Dimension 4700 from the 2004 xmas.  Since I got it, the stupid automatic update has and is flawed.  All the time it downloads, it makes all of my programs slow, and often frezzes them up.  If I disable the feature, the same thing happens.  Is their a way to remove the componet from Windows XP without dammaging the system?  --Admiral Roo 15:35, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
:WP:NOT a technical support forum.  Seek assistance elsewhere.—Kbolino 08:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical Error 

message: Is the default desktop of grass and sky an actual photograph or is it a computer-generated image ? Jay 20:10, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: From Bliss (image) : Bliss is a JPEG photograph of a landscape in the Napa Valley outside Napa, California. — Ilγαηερ (Tαlκ) 20:21, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that was fast! Thanks. Can we have a screenshot of it for the Bliss article. Right now I've linked :Image:Default xp theme.JPG which has got the startup menu which is not appropriate for that article. Jay 20:32, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Default theme

message: Whenever I go on google or ANY search engine (ask jeeves, yahoo, msn etc.) even the urban dictionary search engine, Whenever I double click where your meant to search it comes up with ALL my previous searches in a little scrollbox! I wanna get rid of it! EVERY SEARCH ENGINE, EVEN WIKIPEDIA'S!!--60.226.28.4 06:00, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Clear your browser cache completely. And this is utterly the wrong place to ask this kind of question, anyway. --Kiand 07:14, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

text: There is a more efficient way to stop those boxes popping up. It is a tool called AutoComplete; all you need to do is turn it off. Go to Tools, Internet Options, and click on the Content tab. Then click on the AutoComplete button and uncheck the boxes. Clearing the cache will temporarily stop the boxes, but they'll soon come back again. Turning off AutoComplete is the best way to go. -- Daverocks 12:09, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

text: WP:NOT a support forum.  Seek technical assistance elsewhere.  And sign your posts, please.—Kbolino 08:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: I have a laptop with Windows XP Home, with SP2. It has an nVidia video card, a GeForce Go 6200. Among the video card options, there is a Clone Screen option. I tried it and guess what? It worked. The screen of the laptop was cloned onto the CRT I connected to it. Maybe screen cloning was not supported prior to SP2? I need to know more about this.
Devil Master, 8:48, 28 October 2005 (MET)
:Maybe someone should verify this is an XP feature, and not a feature added by video card manufacturers. 
:*From my memory, it's not an XP feature (and, I don't think multi-mon is restricted to XP Pro either)
:*"Clone Screen" or "Clone Display" as a search term finds nothing on microsoft.com
:*My laptop, with Intel video, doesn't have "Clone Screen" as an option.
:*Sounds like an Nvidia feature name, SchmuckyTheCat 13:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not an operating system feature or even a driver feature.  This is a basic feature of any graphics card that supports two or more displays, i.e. a laptop with a built-in display and a VGA connector.—Kbolino 08:36, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP Home DOES support screen cloning 

message: ::*Clone Display allows users to "clone" their monitor onto a secondary display (a feature often used in video production).  While it does support video cards with dual displays, XP Home Edition limits this feature only to extension of the primary display, and not cloning.
Removed this, needs a cite. SchmuckyTheCat 14:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: removed "Clone Display"

message: On the top of this page, it says that the article is bad and one of the best. Does the community want to remove it or do they want to commend it for being great? This contradiction doesn't help much either. 71.250.51.234 02:45, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article's Standing 

message: I've noticed that all Windows articles (Windows 98, Microsoft Windows, etc.) use 96px logos on the same line as the title. Would it not be better to place the logo on it's own line underneath the title and above the screen, in a larger size (say the same size or slightly smaller than the screenshot)? I've made this change in the Windows Vista article already.
Rishi 04:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the way it was before, but for right now, like other infoboxes, that's the way the logos are displayed. — Alex 05:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. It's really just the way it makes the title off-centre that bothers me. -- Rishi 05:28, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed as a proposed template change. — Alex 10:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job! This looks much better. It does make sense to place the title outside of the infobox, IMO. -- Rishi 22:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo size 

message: Why was a whole section of Windows XP killed and moved to this article without even a mention on the talk page explaining why? I mean, I can understand the need for subarticles, and if the section had been replaced with a decent summary, this would be totally understandable. But you do not destroy an entire section and replace it with  and one sentence explaining that Windows XP added some new features to the Windows software line. We need a decent summary of the subarticle with the most important features mentioned. I'd do this myself, but I'm on holiday with limited internet access, so all I have time for is this quick message. Johnleemk | Talk 03:42, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  The User Interface section should probably also move to the new article.—Kbolino 09:16, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Features new to Windows XP]] 

message: Does anyone remember the windows XP advertising campaign when it first launched. Something like 10,000 times safer operating system. just interested as to what exactly the campaign was in hindsight, with all the critical updates/vulnerabilities etc (although they are the largest target with 90% market share).
:219.89.177.137 22:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP advertising campaign 

message: "There is little defense against a user opening an e-mail attachment without realizing that it is malicious"
I think this is wrong. In this case the problem is not (only) the user - it is the operating system by leaving the user alone with all admin rights as stated above (the fact that users, by default, receive an administrator account). So it´s probably not a very good example.--MilesTeg 03:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the problem has more to do with application programmers not using the tools that Microsoft gives them to programs apps that will use lower permissions. There are a number of applications that still require admin rights for no reason what so ever except crappy programming. With Vista I heard they were pushing the point by making the default user at a lower security level. PPGMD 03:49, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  security 

message: This blog post explains about PAE mode
http://www.instant-tech.com/blogs/ctyler.nsf/d6plinks/CTYR-6H3KZ4
and contains these Microsoft links about it.
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/server/PAE/PAEmem.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/875352
Think having 4gig RAM with SP2 is hot stuff? Think again. :P "Thanks" Microsoft. (I'll leave it to someone else to put that info in the article in a non-snarky way. I run 2000 Pro on _my_ PC.)
*who cares, and what exactly is the problem? memory handling is covered somewhere, I'm sure. SchmuckyTheCat 07:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a Wikipedian with a low level of computer knowledge, looking for help in figuring out whether I should install SP2.  I entered Windows XP Service Pack 2, which redirects here.  If installing SP2 creates a memory problem, this article would be the place to explain it, at least until there's a separate article on SP2. JamesMLane t c 11:58, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Install XP SP2, the memory "problem" that is described above is misunderstood by the poster. Warrens 14:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memory limitations with SP2 

message: Lots of grievances need to be aired - e.g. why is it so slow, so bloated, is it to keep hard drive and chip makers in business?
Punanimal 20:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They may need to be aired, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a gripe bulletin board, so they don't need to be aired here. Guy Harris 21:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I encourage you to read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view so you can come to an understanding as to why such grievances don't belong in Wikipedia.  Warrens 22:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying that well sourced, verifiable criticism of Windows XP can not be placed here? I know of many other pages on this site which contain such sections - NPOV is not always positive. -Localzuk (talk) 10:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they were referring to "airing grievances", not sourced criticism. Besides, the article already has a whole section on common criticisms, so I'm not sure what else there is to be desired. Johnleemk | Talk 14:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Turns of phrase like "so slow" and "so bloated" are not encyclopedic.  It's as simple as that. Warrens 06:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just kind of off topic, but XP really isn't a shitty OS. You look back and you'll see the 95/98 years ... you look forward and you'll see the 80 bazillion versions of Vista. Vista Home Edition! Vista Super Home Edition! Super Duper Home But Not Quite Professional Edition! EXtreme Edition! UB3R 1337 3XTR3M3 3DITI0N!!1 I mean, XP is no OS Ten or Linux, but when you have to use Microsoft, XP is where it's at. 71.112.250.239 02:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually Windows XP has nearly the same amount of version, XP has 5, Vista will have 6, not counting the EU mandated editions. PPGMD 02:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs a Criticism section 

message: Over in the Memory protection article, there appears the statement that "No version of Microsoft Windows has true protected memory, as one process can invade another's memory.  I thought that the NT-heritage Windows (like XP) did protect one process's memory from another.  Anybody over here knowledgeable about this point? -R. S. Shaw 00:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the entire paragraph from that article, which was added by an anonymous user a couple of weeks ago.  It's factually incorrect.  You are correct; all Windows NT-based OS's have full protected memory. Warrens 06:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  protection of processes 

message: Windows XP is a major revision of the Microsoft Windows operating system created for use on desktop and business computer systems.
Isn't WinXP a minor upgrade that promoted the version number from 5.0 (Win 2K) to 5.1? --Soumyasch 16:34, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revision of windows 

message: This article mentions that the name XP is a adopted from "experience". I have heard another theory about the origin of this, which I suspect is an urban legend, but though not necessarily. What I heard was that major part of Windows XP was developed in the development centre at Cairo.
 Cairo → Chi-rho → χ-ρ → XP
What do you think? -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. SchmuckyTheCat 15:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Legend 

message: Where is the section in the article that explains how the End Task feature works? I try to use End Task on crashed programs but it seems that Windows just doesn't have the power to do so, but you'd think they would have programmed "End Task" with ultimate authorities to end the task easily by shutting down it's processing directly..I press End Task and it just sits there, it's kind of pathetic ;) Also I am unable to find a third party program that can end tasks more efficiently but if anyone knows of one maybe you can add it to links? 71.112.224.112 21:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Detailed discussion of "end task" would probably be inappropriate in this article because it's supposed to be an encyclopedic overview, not a how-to. Also it wouldn't belong in "Windows XP" because it works the same in all Windows versions since at least 2000, and probably earlier. "End task" sends a message to the app asking it to shut itself down. If the app does not comply with the request, right click on app in Task Manager, go to process, then click on "End Process".  This will force the app to close, rather than merely requesting it to close itself. Indefatigable 15:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  End Task 

message: This article lacks pretty important information central to the developer community: the new TCP/IP connection limit. This is mentioned no-where in the article. I want to know (1) what the limit is, (2) why the limit is there and why Windows 2000 doesn't have it, (3) what a user can do about it, including whether Windows Vista will have the limit, and (4) what its impact was, i.e. the main problems it caused in existing and future applications. — Given that something this important is missing, I find it extremely disturbing that this article ever became featured. — Timwi 18:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just FYI: Timwi cited this missing information as part of his motivation for nominating the removal of this article's Featured Article status; see Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Windows XP 2. I have addressed the problem by adding a paragraph to the article with the information in question. - Brian Kendig 20:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Not a big deal to include it, but that's quite a trivial matter of interest to a small number of people, not a general audience. SchmuckyTheCat 02:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TCP/IP connection limit 

message: tcpip.sys appears to be a binary file. If indeed this file may be edited to increase the maximum number of outgoing TCP / IP request, then it is not obvious how.
Splendour 12:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, but Wikipedia isn't an instruction manual – as such, discussions of how to edit tcpip.sys to remove the connection limit are well beyond the scope of this article. Warrens 18:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article's use of "edit" is misleading. Tweaking binary values at nonobvious spots ( then installing the file and rebooting) should not be called "editing", which by normal usage implies textual changes.  I've changed the verb to "patched". -R. S. Shaw 19:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tcpip.sys 

message: Can we please stop putting the lists back in? What's wrong with plain prose? Why do we feel the need to abuse the bullet-point feature of MediaWiki? Our overuse of lists was an issue when this article was nominated on FAC, and later on again at FARC. I don't have the time to turn these lists back into prose, but when I do, I will be reverting future prose-to-list conversions on sight. Johnleemk | Talk 17:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, couldn't resist.  Yeah, I agree.  Lists should be their own articles.  just mention that there were a bunch of different versions of XP, and link to the obscenely long list. Ehurtley 23:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists 

message: Can someone throw in some info about this 'special' version, inc any limitations etc
--Deon555|talk 06:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are academic versions of Windows?  I thought that was an office promo? SchmuckyTheCat 17:46, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There's no technical differences with the retail version, just special licensing agreements that make them cheaper and allow them to be installed in a couple more computers (3, IIRC). Titoxd(?!?) 20:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teacher and Student "ACADEMIC" Version 

message: Am I blind, or does this article mention almost nothing about Windows XP's compatibility with software applications and driver APIs (e.g. NDIS)? This is probably XP's greatest advantage over competing operating systems, so it would  be a good idea to mention this. I would edit it myself, but I don't know where to start. XP is supposed to support software all the way back to the DOS era (and is supposed to support almost everything designed for Windows/DOS with the compatiblity tweaks), and it supports just about every PC hardware device because of its large marketshare being an attractive target for developers. Flayked 23:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Software compatibility 

message: I've made a one-word modification to the sentence on XP x64 Professional to change it from 'Intel Pentium 4 with EM64T' to 'Intel chips with EM64T', since Intel's whole line includes it now (or will soon enough.)  Pentium 4, Pentium D, Celeron D, Xeon, Core 2 all support it.  At this point, only the Celeron M, Core (1) and the Core (1)-based Xeon LV lack support.  Now that I think about it, I should probably change the AMD reference, too, as only Sempron doesn't support AMD64. Ehurtley 23:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  64-bit version, and Intel chips. 

message: This said that Windows XP SP3 would be supported until 2009, five years after G.A. That looks like SP3 was released in 2005, very confusing. Someone should clarify that support ceases five years after the last Service Pack (IIRC). I the meantime it says SP2 now. Chris 17:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support Lifecycle 

message: "Windows XP is known for its improved stability and efficiency over previous versions of Windows. It presents a significantly redesigned graphical user interface (GUI), a change Microsoft promoted as more user-friendly than previous versions of Windows."
Yes, I know XP is widely sold and stolen, but to say that it is "known for ...GUI" seems to me to be a claim which needs some support (I certainly find it drastically destructive of my texts, harder too use than 2000, even more counter-intuitve and more corrupt'ble than 2000.  I will grant the part about being promoted, though.). Kdammers 09:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substantiation needed 

message: There should probably some kind of update regarding the announcement of the Zune player, its accompanying software (portable etc.) and the likely patch requirements and service pack integration. (making the hotfix website link to sp3 beta well out of date)
Also the Zune Marketplace (ala iTunes) and its proprietary nature, limited use time-bomb music track sharing schema (3 plays in 3 days, then pop, its gone). All these softwares will need to work with XP, and will most likely require patches to work with their new technology ideas (the whole sharing thing, DRM, time-bomb tracks, wi-fi etc.)
I know zero about wiki's so I dont want to do it basically, through fear of breaking something :P
--84.13.10.157 10:45, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patches / SP3 / Zune / WMP 

message: There are a few guidelines that I follow when making screenshots, and while they are not official, I feel that they convey the most professional and accessible images:
*No screenshot should exceed 800 pixels in width or 600 pixels in height, so that the images retain more discernable detail when scaled down, and so that the full-size image can be viewed by the largest base of users.
*No full-screen screenshot's dimensions should be in any other proportion than 4:3, as this is the de-facto standard (1280x1024 being a notable violation at 5:4) and other dimensions might lead to the idea that the operating system, and not the display, was responsible for the unusual ratio.
*If text is drawn using anti-aliasing, it should not use subpixel hinting (known as ClearType on Windows).  This is rather important, as it affects both CRT users (who can quite clearly discern the effect, without gleaning its intended benefit--it appears blurry) and flatpanels with non-standard pixel orders like BGR, or vertical subpixels (the text can appear seriously malformed and may be unreadable).
*Unless display of a specific alteration is intended (at which point all other variables should remain constant), the environment and all running applications should be displayed in their most neutral state, without any visible changes from how they were installed.  This presents the user with the most accurate representation of a neutral experience, and prevents the user from reaching false conclusions based upon what he or she sees.
I do not feel that these are wholly unreasonable or unrealistic requests; the goal of providing screenshots is not to show off, but rather to supplement the page with an accurate and accessible visual.
Now, as to resolving this: should anyone agree that these are worthwhile objectives in creating screenshots, I would rather not reinstall Windows XP (or try to remove all the changes I've made) to obtain the "most neutral" state, but I can do this if necessary.  If anyone has a recently-installed or otherwise unmodified copy of the operating system installed somewhere, then perhaps they could procure the screenshots.  There also needs to be some enforcement, as people seem to be inclined to change screenshots (a recent modification, for example, is what prompted me to write this).—Kbolino 22:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Screenshots 

message: Is there any other site that we can get this from? Because the site linked is slightly bias and misstates what some of the sections mean, in particular the DRM clause, and the termination of web services clause. Though technically correct it misleads the reader on exactly how far they are allowed to go. PPGMD 19:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Linux Advocate . com - What can you expect? lol. Rareviolet 19:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It is linked to from EULA, we don't need it on this article. SchmuckyTheCat 19:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I should have looked a little closer. Indeed, it should definitely go.-Localzuk(talk) 20:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plain English EULA Site 

message: First of all, this is my very first post in Wikipedia, so please bash me gently this time...
I saw the statement regarding the XP Professional Edition and using multiple processors for symmetric multiprocessing, and the way I read it it's as if it claims that dual-core processors can only work on Pro. This is true for HT-enabled processors, yet not for multi-core ones without Hyper-Threading. The linked reference (#3) verifies just that. The multi-core processors are not deemed as separate processors by the Operating System (contrary to the HT ones), and thus can work on XP Home, as well. A quick check at any online store will show you that OEMs sell some dual-core PCs with XP Home. Therefore I suggest that "regardless of the number of CPU cores or Hyper-threading" becomes "regardless of Hyper-threading". R2S 01:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. :-)  The wording did seem a bit vague to me too, so I had a go at rewriting it to try and make that a bit more clear.  Have a look at it again and see if it makes more sense to you... of course, if you think you can present it even better, go right in and edit it yourself.   -/- Warren 02:25, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, Warren, that I don't feel ready yet to post directly to the article; I hope you understand... (And yes, I saw the Editing Help and got more lost...) Anyhow, back on topic. The current wording leaves the impression HT is a single physical processor, but it's not. So here's what I propose: "support for up to two physical central processing units (CPU). Hyper-threading-enabled processors are considered to be two separate physical processors, and thus require XP Pro to work. Multi-core processors without Hyper-Threading enabled, are considered single physical CPUs, though, and can work on either XP Home or Pro.[3][4]" R2S 02:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hyper-threading processors aren't considered separate for licensing purposes.  XP Home is both HT and multi-core aware and uses both just fine. SchmuckyTheCat 04:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SchmuckyTheCat, please read the "Details" section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading: "All that is required to take advantage of Hyper-Threading is symmetric multiprocessing (SMP) support in the operating system, as the logical processors appear as standard separate processors." The XP Home version does not support SMP (reference #4 of the article), therefore it cannot take advantage of HT. Of course one can run XP Home on an HT-machine, if one turns off HT through the BIOS setup. Please also read paragraph 1 of the eula.txt found in \WINDOWS\system32 for an XP Home and an XP Pro machine. Alternatively, you can use this page: http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/useterms/default.aspx. Last but not least, a great resource on XP versions and licensing IMHO is this: http://www.techsupportforum.com/showthread.php?t=117140 - but because I noticed all non-Microsoft references have been removed, I was kind of reluctant to mention it; yet it is a really great source. This is not the case with dual-core, though. Dual-core is physically a single processor, and thus can work on XP Home. Please let us make the article clear and accurate on these things, because this article is a Wikipedia Star. Licensing and Technical aspects of the various Windows XP versions are two different things. I am sorry that I feel like quoting the http://www.techsupportforum.com/showthread.php?t=117140 article again, I am not promoting anything in particular; it just helps clarify a great deal of things. R2S 10:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are wrong if they say XP Home does not support HT.  Turning off HT on XP Home is idiocy. SchmuckyTheCat 18:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: R2S, I applaud your wanting to get the article correct and clear on this point.  Working it out here on the talk page is appropriate.  The way I read , which is ref 3 in the article, is that XP Home supports both HT and dual cores.  It says first "A physical processor is a single chip that houses a collection of one or more cores" which seems clear.  It then says "A core is a collection of one or more processor threads" which is referring to HT.  Thus both are supported, which is what I take the article to state now (under the last bullet under Pro features). -R. S. Shaw 21:07, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: R. S. Shaw, thanks for the input. I agree with both you and SchmuckyTheCat that now the wording in the article is accurate, clear and correct. As far as the page I mentioned before, I sent a message to the author to ask for clarifications. He admitted that the original statement was wrong, and corrected it by also adding a reference to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/810231/en-us. BTW, he thanked us Wikipedians for pointing out the error. :) R2S 05:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  XP Pro and using multiple processors for symmetric multiprocessing 

message: Why are there no reference to SP2b anywhere in the article?  It's show up all over Google and Newegg, but no one knows anything about it.  Anyone?
-merv
72.4.160.227 02:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service Pack 2b 

message: There's a dead image that I created the file: XP Black.png,  A 3rd-party visual style via UXTHEME.DLL that I downloaded from deviantART.
Please upload the screenshot from the web:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?eb35c4dc0d.png
Thanks! --210.5.94.39 13:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted your edit to the article as if you want to upload an image, you should do it yourself, and that involves creating an account for yourself.  Also, I don't think the image really adds anything to the article, and I think the text explains the visual styles thing well.  Using fair use images for the sake of using them is a violation of Wikipedia's fair use policy.  jd || talk || 13:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't need to create the account in Wikipedia.  You can go by upload yourself by clicking the URL above. --210.5.94.39 13:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand, but I'm not going to.  The fact that I think the image violates the eighth fair use criterion aside, you have not provided any licensing information, which is needed for every image uploaded to Wikipedia.  The image also needs a fair use rationale.  I will not upload the image for you, but I can't comment for other people.  jd || talk || 13:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Image 

message: The "common criticisms" section in this article is rapidly getting out of sync with the main Criticism of Windows XP article. Should the bulk of the content in this section of the article be moved to the "main" criticism article, and a much shorter summary left in its place? --59.167.104.199 14:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common criticisms section too large 

message: I started work on a template which could be used in a bunch of windows-related articles.  Please take a look at it.  I'm interested in any suggestions and if you think it would be a good idea to include this as a right-side sidebar. --Dgies 07:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common Sidebar for Windows articles 

message: I want to leave you a message about Windows XP but you blocked the talk page, why? unblock please —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.249.32.51 (talk • contribs) 01:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The talk page isn't blocked, your account is blocked.  See your talk page (and don't just blank it again). Guy Harris 18:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tawker 

message: give definetion of xp
:"eXPerience. Or, alternatively, "Windows NT 5.1" (except for the x86-64 version, which is Windows NT 5.2). Guy Harris 08:39, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is xp 

message: I was just on the Microsoft Update website and notice that they offered Office XP Service Pack 3. Is that anything like the Service Pack discussed in this article? Knight45 14:43, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about Windows XP, not Office XP. — Alex (T|C|E) 09:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service Pack 3 

message: I re-uploaded the PNG screenshot because the prior screenshot is just only a low-quality JPEG screenshot (yuck...!).  Please do not revert the screenshot because it is OK. --Jigs41793 11:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced the screenshot you uploaded with a neutral one that doesn't falsely represent Windows XP's visual appearance.  Please be more careful of this in the future if you're going to replace screenshots; a low-quality screenshot which accurately portrays the subject is preferred to a high-quality one that doesn't.  Thanks.  -/- Warren 05:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I concur, screenshots of OS' need to be the default appearance, not a souped up customized view. The shot needs to represent the product in it's "out of the box" form, unless the subject is the customization (e.g. themes, TweakUI, et al). David Spalding (☎ ✉ ✍) 05:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SP1 screenshot - ''Set Program Access and Defaults'' 

message: I believe that XP home can be made to join a domain, through fairly simple behind-the-scenes configuration. Rich Farmbrough, 16:50 7  January 2007 (GMT).
:Indeed it can - but it is not meant to and any ability to do so would simply be a 'hack'. It may also be against the license agreement. -Localzuk(talk) 17:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domains 

message: I've been browsing through some of the Windows operating system articles, and I've noticed a slight inconsistency in the templates used. For example, this and the Windows Vista article both have the name of the product under the logo, while other articles such as Windows Mobile and Windows XP Media Center Edition have their names on top of the template. I was wondering which of the following is the proper form, so that the others could be changed. --Smoothtofu 16:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Articles like this one and Windows Vista use the  template, which is intended for specific versions of a line of operating systems.  Windows Mobile, Mac OS X, Microsoft Windows etc. usually use , since they're more geared towards articles that describe an entire line of operating systems, instead of specific releases.  Windows XP Media Center Edition should be using the Infobox OS version template.  -/- Warren 17:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistencies in Template 

message: I am almost 100% certain that DirectX 10 will not be supported on Windows XP in any form, due to underlying architecture and technology changes in Vista that allow it to function. The statement is also completely unreferenced, and as such, I am removing that sentence. If anybody can add a reference to DirectX 10 on XP, feel free to add it back.
Bigbio2002 02:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DirectX 10 

message: Is Windows XP on current support or on extended support? cause on its support status section it notes "Extended Support Ends In 2014". — Alastor Moody (T + C + U) 04:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The word "Current" should have been there.  I put it back in. Thanks for pointing that out!  -/- Warren 04:54, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support Status 

message: Should I add a section about the PowerToys for XP?  They are not mentioned in the article.  See Microsoft's PowerToys website.
—Michael 17:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone wrote an article, Microsoft PowerToys. SchmuckyTheCat 20:53, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PowerToys 

message: I seemed to notice that alot of people got interested in searching for the music to the Windows XP Registration (registration for new computer or after restoring the system. Should i add a note referring to the location of the music file (which is on every windows xp computer!!!)? if you think it's a stupid idea, fine, i don't care! just wondering so people can stop searching.
:The merge of the article Windows welcome music has already been suggested. I am certain that is what you are referring to. If no-one else does, I might have a go. --rjcuk 23:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the "registration" screens are called OOBE.  SchmuckyTheCat 23:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged the articles. Hopefully few people will disagree with the edit under "Trivia" (that's what it is for Windows 95, anyway). Oh, and thanks to SchmuckyTheCat for pointing out that it's OOBE (thus being in the OOBE folder) --rjcuk 23:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP Registration music 

message: Yes sorry to have modified the lede. didnt knoe it was a features article. I thought they had a star on the page or something. i still think the lead is far too long and turgid though--SlipperyHippo 16:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification to lede 

message: If this is a featured article, why is not in the category: Featured Articles?--SlipperyHippo 17:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Harryboyles 12:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article? 

message: Where does this link mention it?77.97.230.248 12:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supported until 2014? 

message: Does the theme hidden in the source code deserve mention? Link. Coolgamer 04:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it interesting to the overall concept of Windows XP, or is it interesting to the .01% of users who futz with themes? SchmuckyTheCat 05:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already been mentioned on the Energy Blue/Royale theme page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tech Nerd (talk • contribs) 20:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royale Noir 

message: Might it not be that it came from Extreme Programming? -82.131.68.73 17:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It didn't. SchmuckyTheCat 23:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of XP 

message: Im gonna put in something about the Windows Welcome Music because otherwise its pointless to redirect Windows welcome music to here.
Wikiman232 00:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the OOBE section. SchmuckyTheCat 00:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not all too convinced about this section at all. Firstly the composer is incorrectly identified as Brian Eno- who did certainly not compose this score. (My guess is that Bill Brown did it - but I'm not sure). But it seems like quite a trivial thing to discuss in the main XP article. Perhaps it should be boiled down to a passing reference? --Christopher 11:20, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed - I'm cutting out that section - it seems stupid and out of placeTehniobium 12:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Welcome Music 

message: This is a stared article...no reason to have a trivia section...so i added the trivia tagging
Tehniobium 00:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And there is a reason not to have a trivia section. For those who think otherwise, see Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. Considering that two of the three statements have "citation needed" tags, and the third already exists under "User interface", I'm removing the section. Harryboyles 00:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Misread your statement. Corrected above post. Harryboyles 00:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

text: You are excused ;-) Tehniobium 12:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: Took this from article as I found a more appropriate page _> MonstaPro:Talk:Contrib. 14:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  XP/NZ Themes 

message: Just noticed that the Windows 2000 and Vista articles use the Release To Manufacturing date as the date they were released.  This article uses the retail release date.  I'll change it to the RTM date with appropriate cite.  If anyone disagrees, let me know here. Smoothy 09:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the Windows 2000 article uses the retail release date (Febuary 17, 2000).  Josh the Nerd 16:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So it does.  My apologies.  Vista doesn't though.Smoothy 15:04, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows XP release date 

message: Nowhere do I see explained the three types of WinXP CDs - Retail/Corporate/OEM.
Note that a Retail CD key doesn't work with the OEM CD, etc.
Also, I'm not sure that something like WinXP Home Corporate exists.
Info on this should be added.
--NakiBest 20:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Versions (CD) 

message: The article lacks information about MSN Explorer bundled by default in RTM version and about Windows Messenger, Windows Media Player 8 (9 in SP2), and .NET Passport integration in users accounts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.8.51.78 (talk) 18:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MSN Explorer and others 

message: Windows XP is the successor to both Windows 2000 and Windows Me, and is the first and last consumer-oriented operating system produced by Microsoft to be built on the Windows NT kernel and architecture.
Isn't Vista also NT-based? Taylor 12:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I changed it to just say first. Josh 16:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows NT-based quote 

message: It will be a good idea that on SP3 for windows XP, they remove Windows Messenger, (because is useless),and add the new IE 7 and WMP 10, So you don't have to download those 2 programs. --MarioV 19:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  features request in SP3 

message: Do we need so many external links in the Service Pack 2 section..?
Isn't to a bit too much?
Mugunth 18:00, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It can do with a bit of pruning. But I don't feel strongly either way. --soum talk 08:14, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service Pack 2 external links... 

message: The UI section, has way too many screenshots...
I would prefer remove some.. what say?
Mugunth 18:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. Its way too many. Royale Noir wasn't officially released. So that should be the first to go. In fact, IMO, the Luna Blue and Royale should be kept. Classic can be viewed in any other windows screenshot. Zune wasn't packaged with any Windows XP version. Luna Blue and Royale are the default themes in XP and MCE respectively. Since we prefer the uncustomozed screenshots, only these two should stay. --soum talk 08:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Interface