Talk:Pyrros Dimas

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Miltiadis Kokkonidis (talk) 11:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: About this talk page

message: Wikipedia is not here to decide what Mr Dimas is. Pyrros Dimas considers himself an ethnic Greek, being Greece's flagbearer at two Olympics, including Athens 2004. Respect his right to self-determination.
::: If he says he is Chinese, do we just accept it ? So give me a break. 
I added a census that shows all Dhimas had Albanian Catholic names. DDo not remove it, but you may change the wording here and there. 
Keep it Fake (talk) 06:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's see those "Catholic" and "Albanian" names.
When Dhimas was born Himara was part of Albania. Place of birth should be written city followed by the country of the time of birth, not a geographical and historical region such as Epirus.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.107.221.201 (talk) 13:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

text: As the article states he was born in Albania but is of Greek descent, just as Naim Suleymanoglu was born in Bulgaria but is of Turkish descent. There is a substantial Greek minority in southern Albania mainly in cities like Himara, Korce, Saranda and others. Kalambaki2 13:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Biographies of living persons rules

message: Nationality in sport, once clear-cut, has become seriously muddied following the break-up of the Soviet bloc and the increasing transfer of talent from poor to rich countries. example:
Greece naturalized Albanian Pyrros Dimas in 1992 and he went on to win three Olympic weightlifting golds.Dimas born in Himara, Albania to parentshttp://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/NewSport/PyrrosDimas.html of Greek origin, and emigrated to Greece in 1991.--Taulant23 00:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'I'm from... ugh, let me check my passport.

message: Has Pyrros Dimas ever called himself Albanian? 
Furthermore, Albanians must really have money problems if there are 1.2 million of them in Greece (which I'm sure entered illegally), and hopefully when Greece has an Albanian president, hopeful he would have migrated legitimately and not just stroll over the border.
Lastly, yes you are correct, whatever Greece does (e.g. use names at a nationalistic level) MUST have territorial aspirations, because NO OTHER country does except Greece. 
To conclude....... blah, blah, blah, blah.
Φilhellenism 06:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like Greece has even more money problems "Leonidas Jr," what's your debt now, $500 Billion? Albania being poor has nothing do with his real ethnicity. 
07:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Have you actually got a source about his parents being Albanian? There is a Greek minority in Southern Albania, unless you haven't been informed. I agree with the Albanian name being added to the article, after all he was born there, but the Greek parents statement stays unless you find proof. Please provide it, otherwise I'll revert it in 12h. Kalambaki2 23:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: He was born in Tirana, Albania. His parents were from Himara. You can read here  that he was from Tirana and went to Greece when he was 20, but before he was a European Master weightlifter for Albana. sulmues --Sulmues 16:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Thank you for bringing these sources. Actually I am starting to believe that he was born in Elbasan, because that's where he did his schools. Furthermore there was an excellent team of weightlifters in Elbasan, if I remember well, Agron Haxhihyseni was from there. I give up. I think he's lying about where he was born. I just think his family came from there. And I'll tell you why I think he is lying. He was born in 1971. In that time changing residency was practically IMPOSSIBLE in Albania, so it's very unlikely that he was born in Himara. He is building his image of Greek by claiming he is born in Himara, but that is very very unlikely. However given your evidence I reverted myself and I'm ok that he is presented as being born in Himara. Please make those references better for me as I don't know any Greek. sulmues --Sulmues 18:51, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is his official website and it states that he was born in Himara , its one of the references in the article. Is he lying?Megistias (talk) 19:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This one [] says that he was born in Himara, but he grew up in Tirana. @Sulmues I really appreciate your constructive efforts here. Morevover it seems you are partly right, since Dimas lived for some years in Tirana, although not born there.Alexikoua (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greek or Albanian 

message: There is a wikipedia photo of Pyrros here, but no matter how I tried I couldn't paste in this article. If someone could be so kind... additionally, Pyrros has a special relationship with Litohoro in Pieria... I think his wife is from there, but I'm not certain, if someone could also clarify this and add it. Thanx! This guy DESERVES a good article. Kalambaki2 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve this article! 

message: ::Pyrros Dimas has declared in an interview that he squated 100 kg at age 7,5 years old. interview, "Ξεκίνησα να ασχολούμαι με την άρση βαρών σε ηλικία επτάμισι ετών. Είχα όμως κάτι πόδια… Την πρώτη κιόλας μέρα που πήγα στο γυμναστήριο, έκανα 100 κιλά σε βαθύ κάθισμα."Megistias (talk) 16:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squat 

message: www.ramimemushaj.com is *not* a valid source.  Athenean (talk) 08:16, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is. He is a professor at the University of Tirana. Per wp:RS scholars can be used. --sulmues (talk)  02:46, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, go read WP:RS.  To be considered RS, something needs to be published by a reputable publishing house.  Self-published essays such as this one are NOT WP:RS.  It will be removed.  Athenean (talk) 02:51, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  So tell us why are those names are incorrect? They are after all in a Turkish census. Why don't you like the truth athenian? Wait until you find out about Vangjel Zhapa and Sotir Nini. We know that Pirro he has a reason to lie about his ethnicity, so we're posting the other side. If he said he was Albanian what would happen to his popularity in Greece? 
Keep it Fake (talk) 03:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed claim about financial gains. Too personal and no scholar has ever supported that. We know it's true, but it's not encyclopedic. However the Dhima family origin is well supported. They were from Kruje and came in the 15th century to Himara. --sulmues (talk)  05:43, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the origin is not well supported. All you have proved is that the surname also appears on Albanian genealogical records. It doesn't actually prove that the man himself has ethnic origins other than what he himself claims. I'm sure that he is just as proud to be Greek and Albanian. But his parents are Greek. Nipsonanomhmata 06:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had read the source you'd find that not only his parents, but also his grandparents, greatgrandparents and so on up to the 16th century at least were Albanians. The source investigates the last name of Dhima in Himare specifically. The Dhima house as many other houses in Himare are from Kruje and Mirdita and have come to settle there when Skanderbeg died. --sulmues (talk)  05:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You were explicitly told on the BLP noticeboard that since the source doesn't specifically mention Pyrros Dimas, it shouldn't be used and anything in it is irrelevant.  So stop disrupting and pretending like nothing happened. Athenean (talk) 07:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV-pushing using bogus sources 

message: #Why so much obsession adding an Albanian alternative name, while we have been several times concluded as per mos: Similarly, previous nationalities and/or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability. Just taking a brief look at his userbox, there is no major achievement that can support this. We have to be precise on our arguments. 
#Since we have plenty of english sources on the subject, the non-english source should be removed, as per Wikipedia:Verify#Non-English_sources: Because this is the English Wikipedia, English-language sources should be used in preference to non-English ones, except where no English source of equal quality can be found that contains the relevant material.Alexikoua (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Took it off from the lead and placed it under Background. Changed the lead since no one said no to my argument. --Sulmues Let's talk  22:49, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An obsession alright, especially this .  Why should this be mentioned so prominently in the lead where he was born, when it is evidently mentioned right below, and is moreover not that important?  The place of birth is generally not mentioned in biography articles right in the second sentence of the lead.  The way it is worded is also highly POV and is unmistakably tendentious.  Athenean (talk) 00:32, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Your definition of notability is strange.  According to you, merely participating in the Albanian national team as a teenager is enough to make one notable.  The world does not revolve around Albania.  Every significant international victory he ever won was with the Greek colors.  What you are doing is classic WP:LAWYERing, misinterpreting the guidelines and playing word games with them to suit your POV.  You have been disrupting this article for months.  So if anyone needs to "deal with it", it's you. I'm not going to put up much more with this disruption.  Athenean (talk) 00:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That definition of notability isn't strange at all. His performance in the Albanian team was enough that it would have established notability (in Wikipedia terms) all by itself – i.e. if he had stopped his career in 1990, we would still have an article on him today. Sulmues is applying WP:ATHLETE correctly. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

text: (ec) That's not the issue, the issue is that tendentious little sentence added by Sulmues, and his very strange concept of notability.  Athenean (talk) 01:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll consider IP's intervention as an impromptu Third Opinion and leave it there. --Sulmues Let's talk  01:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Sulmues, this arguments is pathetic. At the same fashion we should add in Ismail Qemali and the Frasheries Greek alternatives in their lead names, since they lived many years in Ioannina and were subject to Greek studies.Alexikoua (talk) 05:40, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprized at your lack of knowledge of Greece. Janina was not Greek when Qemali and the Frasheris were brought up. It became part of Greece much later. --Sulmues Let's talk  10:28, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ali Demi for example was a Greek national all his life. His is still Albanian.But according to your definition he is completely Greek. Alexikoua (talk) 11:24, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Dear Sulmues, please keep sources like parasja.com and albaniasite.net out of this article, and wikipedia as whole.  You should know full well by know that such websites are not reliable sources, and their repeated use of them by you is becoming disruptive.  I would really rather spend my time doing other things than cleaning up stuff like that.  Thank you.  Athenean (talk) 04:19, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Stop trolling.  This obsession needs to stop.  Pyrros Dimas has Greek nationality and won all his awards with that nationality.  Per MOSBIO, the former nationality only goes in the lead if it relates to the subject's notability.  This is not the case here.  And what's with adding Pirro Dhima twice (and in bold no less)?  Exactly zero English language sources refer to him by that name.  So maybe it could appear elsewhere, but not the first line of the lede.  Athenean (talk) 02:10, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

text: The article was perfectly stable before Sulmues started messing with it.  He's been at it for months now.  They guy is Greek by any yardstick (nationality, ethnicity, you name it), yet here we are again for the umpteenth time.  This has got to stop.  Athenean (talk) 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Once again you are completely misreading the guidelines.  Pyrros Dimas is notable because he is a weightlifter, not because he formerly had Albanian nationality.  I don't see how the fact the he formerly competed with Albania is relevant to his notability.  What is relevant to his notability are the medals he has won.  And please remain civil and indent your comments.  Athenean (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if I offended anyone. I am not misreading the guidelines, actually you seem to not understand wp:athlete. Dhima is not notable because he is a weightlifter. There are a lot of weightlifters who are not notable. There are in fact lots of athletes who are not notable and cannot have an article in Wikipedia. In order to be a notable athlete you have to have competed at a professional level, or you have to represent a national team, or both, no matter how many medals you win. According to that Pirro Dhima gained notability in 1989 when at 18 he was part of the Albanian national team. Unless anyone disagrees I will revert to my neutral version in a couple of days. --Sulmues Let's talk  20:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I know and as the current lead says he was multiple times World Champion and Olympic winner (this is what makes him notable today). If he was at least once distinguished as such under the Albanian team this could be added on lead (but he wasn't). Alexikoua (talk) 22:54, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Please do not misinterpret wiki policies to support your pov. A multiple times european, world champion & olympic winner is notable because of this and obviously only this. Of course if he stopped his career at 1991 his notability would be completely different and he would still have his own article (as Fut. noticed).Alexikoua (talk) 07:47, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Your lead is nothing more than yet another tendentious attempt to get rid of the word "Greek" from the lead sentence.  This is deep into WP:TE territory.  I also note you are using two web-sites as a "sources" for the fact that he was born in Albania, that way it will make the fact that he is "Albanian" (in your eyes) more prominent.  Absolutely not.  The lead is fine as is.  You've been at it for months, stop it.  Athenean (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't see why it is absolutely necessary to mention that he was born in Albania in the lead, since that is mentioned immediately below.  It is redundant.  I also don't see why his name in Albanian should be included in the lead, since exactly zero English language sources refer to him by that name.  The entire world minus Albania knows him as "Pyrros Dimas".  Lastly, I don't appreciate attempts to remove his nationality (Greek) from the lead sentence, as it is a POV-motivated disservice to our readers.  It is important for our readers to know which team he competes for.  Athenean (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: obsession

message: Moved to Pirro Dhima. Gained notability with this name, so that's what matters. Let me know if you disagree. --Sulmues (talk) 15:31, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved to Pirro Dhima. 

message: Athenean, I do appreciate your efforts but I dont see how describing a region of Albania as "Northern Epirus" is in any way relevant to Pirro Dhima (he himself has not been quoted saying that his birth place is Northern Epirus). What is relevant is his place of birth and his ethnicity. It is well documented that he is of Greek ethnicity and that he was born in Albania. As i have said before: Wikipedia's policy in using historically appropriate names. That means his "official" birthplace is Himare, Albania (full stop).  There should be no Prefixes or Suffixes to his birthplace; such as Himare, southern Albania (Northern Epirus).  
I also feel that a description of a region of Albania (such as in the current version ) is not at all relevant to the article. The explanation of the region should be removed (if people are interested in his birthplace and ethnicity then they can check the Himare and ethnic Greeks pages).  
If Pirro Dhima himself has declared that his birth place was "Northern Epirus" then that would be a different matter as we would be reporting on his own perspective. He has not done that yet, but instead, he has stated that he was in Tirane {his first interview to an Albanian TV channel (TV Klan)} and there is this  which has already been used numerous times in this article (surprisingly the Tirane bit has been overlooked) that backs the Tirane birthplace. I think that this needs a mention in the articles as its his take on his life and after all we are reporting on his life. kuxia1 22:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a long established consensus with Greek and Albanian editors: if a Greek is born in Northern Epirus this should be mentioned as an alt. name, same way with an Albanian born in Chameria.Alexikoua (talk) 06:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: I would like to compare the issue of the use of the above term to the term "Western Thrace". It is well known that Thrace is not a region belonging exclusively to Greece or Turkey but one that spreads across Greece, Turkey and Bulgaria. The terms Western Thrace and Eastern Thrace are mutually accepted by Greece and Turkey since they are mentioned in treaties such as the Lausanne Treaty. It is also known that historically all parts of Thrace have been inhabited by both muslims and christians (although there are not christians anymore in turkish E.Thrace). Even if Greek Thrace is often refered to by Greeks as simply "Thraki" (Thrace), any educated person knows that "Thraki" is not all Thrace. 
A similar situation applies to Epirus. It is illogical to believe that the historical region of Epirus ends exactly where the borders were agreed to be in 1914, although Greece officialy names one of its peripheries Epirus (not Southern Epirus). In reality, the southern part (including the most significant city Ioannina) was ceded to Greece whereas the northern part was ceded to Albania and thus became known as "Northern Epirus". The term "Northern Epirus" is mutually accepted by Albania and Greece, since the signing of the Protocol of Corfu between the Albanian Gorverment and the  Provisional Government of Northern Epirus (which represented the local greek population) in 1914. The use of the term, even today is not necessary to have an irredentist sense, just a geographical one. 
All in all, official (nowadays) or not, widely used or usually avoided, Northern Epirus (including Himara) is a mutually accepted term while the local Greeks in Albania, concetrated in the South, connect closely themeselves to the region of Epirus and they are self determined as "northern Epirotes". Concequently, there is no reason for Northern Epirus not to be cited as birthplace of Pyrros Dimas, an etnic Greek from Himara, without notes or explanations. All evidence show the oppposite.
P.S.The phrase in the article "Himarë, Albania, part of an area referred to [only] by Greeks as Northern Epirus" seems be misleading, leading someone to believe that Albania does not accept or/and has never accepted this term.
Routhramiotis
Ρουθραμιώτης (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The term "Northern Epirus"

message: Pirro Dhima is a Greek because he decided to be a Greek not because he is a Greek.
In the same position like him was also Mirela Manjani or Luan Shabani but they never denied their Albanian origin like Pirro did.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.69.6.254 (talk) 14:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pirro Dhima is not a Greek!! 

message: If the Greek spelling of his name given in this article is correct, the english translation should be Pyrros Deimas, not Pyrros Dimas !Tvx1 (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: The article deals with a biography & the person comes from a historical-cultural region which is defined by the specific community he belongs as N. Epirus. I see no reason for censorship in this case. Greek communities including Dimas declare that they come from the specific region, thus there is no reason to get rid of this essential detail for this article.Alexikoua (talk) 21:49, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: P. Dimas from N. Epirus/S. Albania

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message: This declaration appears to be fully wp:POV. Both terms are used in the same irredentist context but also both of the have it's historical side. Claiming that the one is more correct in historic context isn't cool and it's actually POV pushing. In the case of P. Dimas he has declared himself as N.Epirote. It's a Greek ethno/geographic term and it's widely used in this context (like Pontic Greek etc). Pardon me but there is no offence at all if someone declares himself as being part of the specific community in this way.Alexikoua (talk) 22:44, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Northern Epirotes is not the equivalent of Pontic Greeks. The equivalent term and the common name is Greeks in Albania. Ahmet Q. (talk) 13:13, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: N.Epirus is a geographic/historic region such as Pontus, Ionia etc, although not part of Greece, Greek communities that live(d) there used to be classified based on those regions. The same occurs with Albanian communities too.Alexikoua (talk) 00:26, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so even after multiple editors explained it to you it seems that you still don't get it. I will repeat it: N. Epirus is a political and irredentist concept. It is absolutely not a historical region. Ahmet Q. (talk) 00:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You still believe that the quality of the argument that Chameria = historic vs N. Epirus = irredentist is neutral? That's actually the very definition of Balkan nationalism (and vice versa). You need to back your arguments based on wp:RS.Alexikoua (talk) 01:37, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He is right. Northern Epirus is nothing but a political term. The article itself says that. Chameria is a ethnolinguistic, cultural, historic term. It does not change its borders depending on how much of it is owned by what country. The same can not be said for NE. Please, I have explained this to you in detail many times. Why are you still comparing the two? Alltan (talk) 17:50, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Alltan, you are recycling the Albanian POV about Northern Epirus. Northern Epirus in Greek context is a region like Asia Minor, Pontus etc. We need to be neutral in this project.Alexikoua (talk) 02:02, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me be more precise, since this turns to somewhat into wp:FRINGE, [] As with Macedonia and Thrace, the traditional and historic area of Epirus extends beyond the border of Greece, into neighboring Albania directly to the north. In what Greeks call "Northern Epirus' (which is known to the Albanians as southern Albania), as such should be no taboo by using historic/geographic terms like the above. I understand that in Albania this is rejected but we should secure wp:NPOV in its use.Alexikoua (talk) 02:24, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: [] (Gregoric) The widest geographical and historical region of Northern Epirus  is considered to consist of Southern Albania. As such we have to admit that those are geographic/historical regions. If we can't accept this concept that we are into deep wp:POV territory.Alexikoua (talk) 02:27, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

text: N.E. is used in all mainstream bibliography and not exclusively in political context [] but also in terms of history and culture (Kitromilides) "The Greek minority in southern Albania, or Northern Epirus, has been an important base of Greek culture in the Balkans,". The use of the terms southern Albania/Northern Epirus is widely mentioned in bibliography. As such we have no reason to hide this piece of information under the context of an ethnic Greek from this region.Alexikoua (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You have already been thoroughly explained in different pages that Chameria is a distinct region in terms of geography, culture, language, music, dances, food, etc. The irredentist aspect exists on top of these. But even the irredentist term only refers to the lands of the Cham Albanians, not those of the Albanians from Janina, W.Macedonia, etc, who are not Chams but simply Tosks. Meanwhile Northern Epirus attempts to group Greeks of different regions into one strictly irredentist/political concept. You know this very well so stop enforcing fictional concepts on articles. Çerçok (talk) 06:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Meanwhile Northern Epirus attempts to group Greeks of different regions into one strictly irredentist/political concept. It appears that the same occurs with Chameria which also is part of various subregions (Filiates, Parakalamos, Paramythythia etc.). That's your personal claim and its wp:OR. You know very well that you are recycling the Albanian wp:POV by pushing Chameria terminology against N.Epirus (also a region in terms of geography, culture, language, music, dances, food, etc, with the addition of a short term independent entity in political terms) . Both terms are dealt under the same Balkan context in scholarship. That's called neutrality and we should respect it in wikipedia too.Alexikoua (talk) 23:59, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Albanians from Filat, Paramithi, Gumenice, Konispol, etc. are culturally similar to each other and less similar to Albanians from other sub-regions, including for example from Konice, Janine or Vlore. Read here about the dialect for example: http://dialects.albanianlanguage.net/. These are simple facts, independent of the political situation. Meanwhile Greeks from Dropull with those of Pogoni have nothing in common other than they are members of the Greek minority in Albania. Northern Epirote is fiction. Çerçok (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: By virtue of living in Albania for over 100 years, including total isolation in the Communist era, the Greeks of Albania have a distinct identity and culture from the Greeks of Greece. Khirurg (talk) 02:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Pogoni and Dropuli share several cultural features (dances, folksinging etc.) they also have the same idiom. Off course they are not identical in all cultural aspects (same occurs among Cham Albanian, folk costumes for example) I don't know why you are into this kind of wp:POV. Alexikoua (talk) 02:51, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what that has to do with Northern Epirus. Alltan (talk) 08:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Thats WP:OR and will have to be demonstrated over at the Northern Epirus article. Alltan (talk) 08:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Greeks in this region self-identify as Northern Epirotes. Removing this in the context of a biography of an ethnic Greek is wp:POV.Alexikoua (talk) 02:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His birthplace is very clearly stated, Himara, Albania. His parents' Greek ethnicity is also clearly stated. There is no room to insert political ideology and irredentism here. Çerçok (talk) 00:10, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Northern Epirus as a Greek cultural and historic area should be stated. Under this context its removal is considered wp:DISRUPTION. Cercok: can you elaborate why this is irrelevant (initiatives by Dimas on the Northern Epirote issue)?Alexikoua (talk) 00:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: His activity can be included somewhere in the article. Irredentism has not place in a statement of the birthplace. Çerçok (talk) 08:14, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Dimas is a involved in human&minority rights related to the Northern Epirus issue. Removals of sourced content constitute wp:DISRUPTION [], not to mention aggressive edit summaries []. In fact Dimas has a quite active participation on the N.E. issue this definitely needs further expansion. Cercok: Simply pushing your extreme national POV simply falls to wp:WHATWIKIPEDIAISNOT.Alexikoua (talk) 03:03, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is extreme national POV to leave political activity for sections below the lead in a biography article. You should stop forcing politically fabricated terms into articles. Çerçok (talk) 10:00, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: He is an active politician and information related to his political activity (as a Northern Epirus activist) should be part of the article. Extreme national POV? I assume you need to take a deep breath since those parts are sourced by reliable news portals.Alexikoua (talk) 03:39, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry but if you want to include an obviously nationalistic and irredentist term in an article about living persons, you will need in the minimum to achieve consensus for that. Please, start a discussion on why you believe nationalistic terms are to be included in this article. Ahmet Q. (talk) 07:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Northern Epirus nationalist term but Chameria not?