Talk:President of the Philippines

message: The Chief Justice is -never- in the line of succession. The part that says so under Succession is erroneous.
:Note -- This appears to have been fixed sometime prior to 2009-05-18. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 01:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chief Justice and succession

message: Most sources on the internet generally imply that the "Fourth Republic" and the "New Republic" are one in the same and existed 1981-1987. Certainly, a republic did come into effect in 1981. Ferdinand Marcos proclaimed the establishment of a "New Republic of the Philippines" upon re-election in 1981. Since the previous republic was the 3rd, it makes sense this one is the 4th.
Not so. Correspondence I have from the Philippines' National Historical Institute (NHI) states that the "Fourth Republic" was established with the adoption of the 1973 Constitution, adopted on January 17 1973. There is no mention of a republic being established in 1981. It then goes on to mention the "Fifth Republic" established with the 1987 Constitution, adopted on February 11, 1987).
After going through many internet sources and political documents there is a fair amount of evidence to dispute that the "Fourth" and "New" Republics are not actually the same leading to the following:
::1st Republic: 1899-1901
::2nd Republic: 1943-1945
::Commonwealth: 1935-1946
::3rd Republic: 1946-1973
::4th Republic: 1973-1981
::New Republic: 1981-1987
::5th Republic: 1987-Present
Part of the problem may be the definition of what a Republic is. Also, Ferdinand Marcos was changing the constitution left, right, and centre 1972-1986 to ensure he maintained his position of Head of State. This also might be part of the problem.
In any case, I sent my "case" back to the NHI. After nearly 8 months of no answer, I finally sent it off to the relevant Senate Committee this week in hope of an answer. In any case, until someone decides to come back with a definite answer, if anyone out there can shed any light on this puzzle, please let me know.
Taiwai94
The answer depends on the view of legitimacy of the 1973 Constitution, which muddles the issue. However, based on the explanation of the NHI, it does seem fair to date the 4th Republic to 1981 for this reason: in 1973, the new constitution was "approved", but its provisions were not fully enforced until 1981. From 1973, when Marcos's term expired under the 1935 Constitution, he justified remaining in office on the basis of referenda called for the purpose of permitting his continuation in office. He did not secure a new mandate until 1981, hence the inauguration; prior to that, the legislature he set up was in fact called the Interim Batasang Pambansa, and it did not become a regular Batasang Pambansa until 1981, which was also the year martial law was officially lifted. So, from 1973-1981, the country could be said to have been under a state of emergency with the president enjoying far-reaching emergency powers.
Gareon
The New republic can be said as the martial law period, while the 4th period was between 1981 to 1986. If you merge the "New" and the "4th", then we have the "4th" which was essentially the same, right?
Howard the Duck | talk, 14:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '''The Republic Problem'''

message: I realize that many did/do not recognize the legitimacy of the Laurel government and consider it only to be an extension/puppet of the Japanese occupation.  However, is the term for this really, truly, and legally "defunct"?  I thought that the question of whether Laurel ever was a legitimate President was legally determined with finality in the affirmative in the 1960s?  Is this correct?  And if so, isn't the annotation "defunct" in error, at least technically?
Rlquall 22:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Defunct" ? 

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message: I believe there is conflicting information.
For the "During the Term", 1st paragraph, 3rd sentence say:
:In case of death, permanent disability, removal from office, or resignation of both the President and Vice-President; the President of the Senate or, in case of his inability, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, shall then act as President until the President or Vice-President shall have been elected and qualified.
But then the last paragraph of the same sub-section say:
:If the offices of both the President and the Vice President become vacant at the same time, Congress shall enact a law calling for special election.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mang kiko (talk • contribs) 22:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Succession Question

message: What is the length of the term and how many terms can a President serve?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaylockjam10 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When we say length of the term,it means how many years did a person served as president and the can serve up to 12 years(6 years in each term). CommanderPhoenix (talk) 13:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length of Term 

message: ===Formation date===
 redirects to . The documentation for that infobox does not give any guidance on what the formation parameter should be set to, but I doubt the validity of its current setting, which I have tagged .
AFAICS, the history of the titling for the head of state or the chief executive in the Philippines has been as follows:
"President"?                      	Establishing document                                                                             	Establishing authority                                                             	Predecessorgovernment             	Remarks
No                                	Unknown                                                                                           	King of Spain                                                                      	Yes                               	From 1521 to 1898, under Spanish sovereignty the head of government was titled "Governor General of the Philippines".
Perhaps                           	Various                                                                                           	Various                                                                            	No                                	While the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty, a number Philippine revolts against Spain occurred. Some of these involved the proclamation of insurgent governments, with the governmental heads being variously titled.
Yes                               	Constitution of Biac-na-Bato1 November 1897                                                       	Representatives of the Revolution                                                  	No                                	Referring to itself as "Republic of the Philippines", this was an insurgent government now best known as the "Republic of Biak-na-Bato" which existed while the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty and which never matured into an independent national government. The constitution specified that supreme government of the Republic shall be vested in a "Supreme Council", titling the head of government as "President".
Yes                               	Philippine Declaration of Independence12 June 1898                                                	The Dictatorial Government of the Philippines                                      	No                                	With the Philippines under Spanish sovereignty, the insurgent Dictatorial Government of the Philippines declared its independence from Spain, accepting Emilio Aguinaldo as President of the Republic established in Biak-na-Bato as Dictator.
N/A                               	Treaty of Paris10 December 1898                                                                   	The governments of Spain and the United States                                     	N/A                               	By action of this treaty, which ended the Spanish-American War, sovereignty over the Philippine Islands was transferred from Spain to the United States.
Yes                               	1899 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines20 January 1899                               	Malolos Congress                                                                   	No                                	The so-called "First Philippine Republic" was an insurgent government styling itself as "Republic of the Philippines" which never matured into an independent national government. It was established in 1898 while the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty. It was never formally dissolved, but is generally acccepted to have ceased to exist sometime prior to 1903. The constitution titles the head of government as "President of the Republic".
No                                	Philippine Organic Act (Philippine Bill of 1902)1 July 1902                                       	U.S. Government                                                                    	Yes                               	Established a government styled "Government of the Philippine Islands" under U.S. sovereignty, titling the head of government as "Civil Governor"
Yes                               	ManifestoApril, 1904                                                                              	Macario Sacay                                                                      	No                                	Established a short-lived insurgent government styling itself as "Republika ng Katagalugan" (the Tagalog Republic) while the Philippines was under U.S. Sovereignty. This insurgent government never matured into an independent national government. The head of government, Macario Sacay, was titled "President".
No                                	Philippine Autonomy Act (Jones Law)29 August 1916                                                 	U.S. Government                                                                    	Yes                               	Modified the structure of the Philippine government, still under U.S. sovereignty. uses the title "Governor-General" to speak of official heading the government.
Yes                               	1935 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on May 14, 1935                      	The Filipino people                                                                	Yes                               	Established a government known as "Republic of the Philippines", still under U.S. sovereignty, with a chief executive titled "President"
Yes                               	1943 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines1 January 1943                                	The Filipino people (sic)                                                          	No                                	Established a government styling itself as "Republic of the Philippines" while Philippines was under Japanese occupation during WW-II. The chief executive office titled the the President", and the office was occupied by José P. Laurel. Concurrently, a Government in Exile existed, initially in Australia and later in the United States, with a chief executive office also titled "President", and occupied initially by Manuel L. Quezon and later by Sergio Osmeña. This constitution was repudiated after WW-II.
N/A                               	Treaty of Manila4 July 1946                                                                       	The Governments of the United States of America and the Republic of the Philippines	N/A                               	By action of this treaty, Republic of the Philippines became independent on 4 July 1946. No constitutional change accompanied this event. The government continued to be styled "Republic of the Philippines" and the chief executive continued to be titled "President".
Yes                               	1973 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on 17 January 1973                   	The sovereign Filipino people                                                      	Yes                               	Modified the structure of the government of the Republic of the Philippines, retaining the title of "President" for the chief executive.
Yes                               	1986 Provisional “Freedom” Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesproclaimed 25 March 1986	Direct mandate of the people                                                       	Yes                               	A transitional government while complete reorganization of the government was undertaken and a new constitution was being produced. During the transition period, the government continued to style itself "Republic of the Philippines", and retained the title of "President" for the head of government.
Yes                               	1987 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on 2 February 1987                   	The sovereign Filipino people                                                      	Yes                               	Established a reorganized government of the Republic of the Philippines, with a chief executive titled "President".
Note: This table may be incomplete	Note: This table may be incomplete                                                                	Note: This table may be incomplete                                                 	Note: This table may be incomplete	Note: This table may be incomplete
As I've indicated above, I don't see how the government from which the dates currently appearing in the infobox were taken can legitimately be considered a predecessor-government to the current government. AFAICS, the  formation parameter of the infobox should be set to 2 February 1987, the formation date of the currently-constituted government. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox info 

message: redirects to . The documentation for that infobox does not give any guidance on what the formation parameter should be set to, but I doubt the validity of its current setting, which I have tagged .
AFAICS, the history of the titling for the head of state or the chief executive in the Philippines has been as follows:
"President"?                      	Establishing document                                                                             	Establishing authority                                                             	Predecessorgovernment             	Remarks
No                                	Unknown                                                                                           	King of Spain                                                                      	Yes                               	From 1521 to 1898, under Spanish sovereignty the head of government was titled "Governor General of the Philippines".
Perhaps                           	Various                                                                                           	Various                                                                            	No                                	While the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty, a number Philippine revolts against Spain occurred. Some of these involved the proclamation of insurgent governments, with the governmental heads being variously titled.
Yes                               	Constitution of Biac-na-Bato1 November 1897                                                       	Representatives of the Revolution                                                  	No                                	Referring to itself as "Republic of the Philippines", this was an insurgent government now best known as the "Republic of Biak-na-Bato" which existed while the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty and which never matured into an independent national government. The constitution specified that supreme government of the Republic shall be vested in a "Supreme Council", titling the head of government as "President".
Yes                               	Philippine Declaration of Independence12 June 1898                                                	The Dictatorial Government of the Philippines                                      	No                                	With the Philippines under Spanish sovereignty, the insurgent Dictatorial Government of the Philippines declared its independence from Spain, accepting Emilio Aguinaldo as President of the Republic established in Biak-na-Bato as Dictator.
N/A                               	Treaty of Paris10 December 1898                                                                   	The governments of Spain and the United States                                     	N/A                               	By action of this treaty, which ended the Spanish-American War, sovereignty over the Philippine Islands was transferred from Spain to the United States.
Yes                               	1899 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines20 January 1899                               	Malolos Congress                                                                   	No                                	The so-called "First Philippine Republic" was an insurgent government styling itself as "Republic of the Philippines" which never matured into an independent national government. It was established in 1898 while the Philippines was under Spanish sovereignty. It was never formally dissolved, but is generally acccepted to have ceased to exist sometime prior to 1903. The constitution titles the head of government as "President of the Republic".
No                                	Philippine Organic Act (Philippine Bill of 1902)1 July 1902                                       	U.S. Government                                                                    	Yes                               	Established a government styled "Government of the Philippine Islands" under U.S. sovereignty, titling the head of government as "Civil Governor"
Yes                               	ManifestoApril, 1904                                                                              	Macario Sacay                                                                      	No                                	Established a short-lived insurgent government styling itself as "Republika ng Katagalugan" (the Tagalog Republic) while the Philippines was under U.S. Sovereignty. This insurgent government never matured into an independent national government. The head of government, Macario Sacay, was titled "President".
No                                	Philippine Autonomy Act (Jones Law)29 August 1916                                                 	U.S. Government                                                                    	Yes                               	Modified the structure of the Philippine government, still under U.S. sovereignty. uses the title "Governor-General" to speak of official heading the government.
Yes                               	1935 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on May 14, 1935                      	The Filipino people                                                                	Yes                               	Established a government known as "Republic of the Philippines", still under U.S. sovereignty, with a chief executive titled "President"
Yes                               	1943 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines1 January 1943                                	The Filipino people (sic)                                                          	No                                	Established a government styling itself as "Republic of the Philippines" while Philippines was under Japanese occupation during WW-II. The chief executive office titled the the President", and the office was occupied by José P. Laurel. Concurrently, a Government in Exile existed, initially in Australia and later in the United States, with a chief executive office also titled "President", and occupied initially by Manuel L. Quezon and later by Sergio Osmeña. This constitution was repudiated after WW-II.
N/A                               	Treaty of Manila4 July 1946                                                                       	The Governments of the United States of America and the Republic of the Philippines	N/A                               	By action of this treaty, Republic of the Philippines became independent on 4 July 1946. No constitutional change accompanied this event. The government continued to be styled "Republic of the Philippines" and the chief executive continued to be titled "President".
Yes                               	1973 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on 17 January 1973                   	The sovereign Filipino people                                                      	Yes                               	Modified the structure of the government of the Republic of the Philippines, retaining the title of "President" for the chief executive.
Yes                               	1986 Provisional “Freedom” Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesproclaimed 25 March 1986	Direct mandate of the people                                                       	Yes                               	A transitional government while complete reorganization of the government was undertaken and a new constitution was being produced. During the transition period, the government continued to style itself "Republic of the Philippines", and retained the title of "President" for the head of government.
Yes                               	1987 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippinesratified on 2 February 1987                   	The sovereign Filipino people                                                      	Yes                               	Established a reorganized government of the Republic of the Philippines, with a chief executive titled "President".
Note: This table may be incomplete	Note: This table may be incomplete                                                                	Note: This table may be incomplete                                                 	Note: This table may be incomplete	Note: This table may be incomplete
As I've indicated above, I don't see how the government from which the dates currently appearing in the infobox were taken can legitimately be considered a predecessor-government to the current government. AFAICS, the  formation parameter of the infobox should be set to 2 February 1987, the formation date of the currently-constituted government. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 12:58, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Formation date

message: Earlier today, in this edit, I changed the setting of the inaugural parameter from 	Emilio Aguinaldo to Corazon C. Aquino, with an edit summary saying, "Inagural holder of the office in the government as currently constituted. See related info in talk page section "Infobox formation date info". User:Philippinepresidency changed this to Emilio Aguinaldo (de facto), providing no edit summary. I'm really not sure what significance the "de facto" is intended to have here. Another editor reverted this, and Philippinepresidency re-reverted. I've just reverted it back to Corazon C. Aquino, with the edit summary of "". I've also left a message at User talk:Philippinepresidency.
My previous edit summary makes my position clear. AFAICS, Aquino was the Inagural holder of the office of President in the government as currently constituted. Also, as is apparent from info in the table above, I don't see how the insurgent government in which Aguinaldo held the office of President can legitimately be considered a predecessor-government to the current Philippine government. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 08:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inaugural holder

message: manuel quezon should be the inaugural holder, because we saw the photo of his inauguration as president of the commonwealth,while there is no evidence regarding aguinaldo's inauguration as president. --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 07:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  inaugural holder 

message: Shouldn't there be consistancy in regards to past President's Images?  Shouldn't they all be their official portraits if available?  --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 08:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past Presidents 

message: I just noticed that this article currently dates Aguinaldo's term as beginning on March 22, 1897, and that the infobox describes him as the de-facto president of the country as of that date (and de-jure as of January 23, 1899).
March 22, 1897 was the date of the Tejeros Convention, at which the Katipunan revolutionary group proclaimed a short-lived Republic (ended, as I understand it, by the Pact of Biak-na-Bato on December 14, 1897) and elected Aguinaldo president. The country at the time was under Spanish sovereignty, and it is a real stretch to call Aguinaldo president of the country during that period.
I don't know where the January 23 date comes from; it might be meant to be the January 22, 1899 which, as I understand it, is the promulgation date of the Malolos Constitution (see ). The Treaty of Paris, which transferred Philippine sovereignty from Spain to the United States, had been signed on December 10, 1898 but would not be ratified until February (the U.S) and March (Spain) (ratifications were exchanged on April 11, 1899), and the Philippine-American War which resulted in the demise of Aguinaldo's insurgent government had not yet begun, much less come to a conclusion.
Let's discuss this and try to come to some consensus position about how the situation should be presented consistently. My understanding of the situation in re Philippine sovereignty is as the Timeline of Philippine Sovereignty article presents it.
These dates impact a number of other articles (e.g., Emilio Aguinaldo, List of Presidents of the Philippines, Vice President of the Philippines, List of Vice Presidents of the Philippines; probably others as well). Notices about this discussion should probably be placed on the talk pages of those articles, but I'll hold off on doing that hoping that a reasonable discussion can be begun here first. My initial thought is that the situation with dating Aguinaldo's various dictatorships and presidencies are complicated enough that the situation ought to be set out clearly somewhere -- probably either in the article about him or in a separate article about his First Philippine Republic presidency.
What say? Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It should start at the First Philippine Republic and ends with his capture at Palanan, Isabela. According to this, the start is when he was inaugurated as president under the Malolos Constitution and ended with his capture. Also note that there are different dates on when the Malolos Constitution came into effect. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 05:22, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates of Aguinaldo's term 

message: Re this edit, I found , which says, "Although the republic never received foreign recognition, Filipinos consider Aguinaldo to be their first president." Perhaps that will do as a supporting source. I dug around a little trying to find a .gov.ph source but didn't find anything better (There may be something, somewhere; I didn't dig around very much. I did find a lot of misinformation, confusion, and imprecision out there, e.g. this, which says, "President Aguinaldo whose presidency was inaugurated on June 12, 1898 in Kawit, Cavite, ..." -- that date being the proclamation date of the Philippine Declaration of Independence, and being six days previous to Aguinaldo's June 18 proclamation of a dictatorial government headed by himself). Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:26, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source supporting Aguinaldo as President (and not supporting Bonifacio, Sakay, etc.) 

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I'm going to put s on both those sentences. I've seen several sources supporting the first sentence, but I'm not sure about their reliability. I have misgivings about the second sentence because I know that there is a common misconception that the year referred to there is 1962, when the move actually took place in 1964 (more info about that in the Independence Day (Philippines) article. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:58, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognition of Laurel as President 

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message: Please add the picture of pnoy. Sonebody added already PDuterte, but i changed it as pnoy is still the incumbent. Newbie here, so please help. Jeff datingaling (talk) 14:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Inauguration of Rodrigo Duterte 

message: @RioHondo, Filipino women have three options on what surname to use as a public figure. Either their maiden name (Grace Poe Llamanzares), married name (Leni Gerona Robredo) or both (Miriam Defensor Santiago. Both Macapagal and Arroyo are her legal surnames in the Philippine context. Her relation to the previous Macapagal president is an important footnote to her bio. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 02:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont question the custom for Filipino women in politics. I question the use of WP:OFFICIAL names/surnames in Wikipedia. The WP:Common practice for Philippine names is to only have one surname with the maiden surname becoming her middle name.--RioHondo (talk) 02:37, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If she becomes known as Gloria Arroyo then the "Macapagal" can be dropped but as long as reliable sources use both names then both surnames are to be used. There is also no consistency among Filipina public figures which surname to use: maiden name (Grace Poe Llamanzares, Loren Legarda Leviste, Jamby Madrigal Valade), married name (Corazon Cojuangco Aquino, Imelda Roumualdez Marcos, Leni Gerona Robredo, both (Eva Estrada Kalaw, Miriam Defensor Santiago, Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. And that's just the presidential and vice presidential candidates. There are other women who use either of the three. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 03:04, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, we'll make GMA an exception. Even though she is commonly referred to as just Pres/Congw. Arroyo and her administration, Arroyo Administration.--RioHondo (talk) 03:10, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gloria Macapagal Arroyo 

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