Talk:Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games/Archive 1

message: You can find more information here, about how the game came to be. Also, remember that this game will be for Nintendo DS too, so it should be included in their list. -- ReyBrujo 03:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another interview at GameDaily. -- ReyBrujo 03:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information 

message: Please do not recreate "Mario&Sonic at the Olympic Games". We don't follow the trademark typography (check Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks)). The correct article name is "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games" because of our naming conventions, since & should not be used in titles. However, since the article history is already split in this and Mario&Sonic..., I am not moving it for now. -- ReyBrujo 04:29, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, I was not expecting an admin to come this fast :-) Now we need to do a history merge between Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games and Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, and redirect the former to the later. I would suggest also semi (or fully) protecting both pages with ampersand for now (as new users may want to write the article in the other name because "that is how the game is really called". -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: My time is up, so I will add the protection tag to both articles to let casual readers know the articles are locked. Note that this article will be visited very often in the next few days, so we need to solve this issue as fast as possible. We don't want new contributors to leave because of the current conflict. -- ReyBrujo 05:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection tag

message: I have merged the histories of the two articles to Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games as that title did not include a full stop at the end (per WP:MOS). Please continue to discuss the best title for the page and move it to a new location if needed. WjBscribe 18:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History merge

message: Sonic Cult has hacked some info off of the Sega site, is it ok to put that up here?Mavrickindigo 14:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends on what the information is and how we can cite its veracity. --Bishop2 14:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We cannot use information obtained this way. We went through the same thing with a screen saver found on the Diamond and Pearl website. The screen saver verified three english names of three Pokemon, but since it was obtained by deconstructing the website, rather than officially being revealed by Nintendo, we couldn't use it. -Sukecchi 14:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why can't we use it? Thanos6 20:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For one, they have no proof that they didn't fake the screens. TJ Spyke 20:45, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then that's the reason we should use, not because it wasn't "official."  If something is unofficial but can still be verified, we should use it. Thanos6 20:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that "unofficial" can also be seen as "speculation", which is unallowed on Wikipedia. - Disaster Kirby 20:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's too bad. What's the info, anyway? The only thing I see on Sonic Cult is a download of the official press packet.  That's not really "hacking," even if they aren't really press. It's still official release stuff. --Bishop2 14:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe that it's a confirmation of more characters. In fact, it reveals nine Sonic characters, and four Mario characters (the hack was off of the Sega site, after all). I have heard that this is actually in relation to a 'History' sort of thing, detailing stuff in the histories of the series, but I could be wrong, as I haven't seen the actual info itself--I only heard of it from elsewhere. --69.210.144.31 04:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the Sonic cult I think it is, I don't trust it. Lesser Shadow 04:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic Cult 

message: This source claims that this game will be online: 
Is this woth mentioning in the article. Something like "Use of the nitendo wi-fi connection has been mentioned, but it currently unsure whether this refers to the DS, Wi or both versions of the game" may work. Mattyatty 14:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't mean it will be online (although it probably will, and would make me even more excited for the game). Elebits also uses the NWFC, although just for trading levels with other people. TJ Spyke 21:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Online 

message: does any one have a link that proves the game will be published by nintendo in japan and sega in america?70.225.145.209 11:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite a few sources have stated this. I do recall that press releases and interviews have confirmed that Nintendo is publishing in Japan, while Sega is publishing in America/Europe. Note that the main development is by SEGA Sports, but other companies are helping as well (Nintendo obviously one of them), and Shigeru Miyamoto being the executive producer/supervisor of the game. --Ultima 19:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, the press releases themselved stated this. Nintendo is handling it in Japan and Sega in North America/Europe (no word on who will do it in Australia). TJ Spyke 21:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: publisher

message: A couple of EBgames around me are saying that M&SatOG is coming out 11/2/07 in the USA. If anyone would be willing to find out if this isn't just a "placeholder date" before we tack it up there> Shamanic Enzan 16:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Game companies always give speculation dates for games that have no release date yet announced. We cannot go by this information at all. Once we get a press release or a new announcement, and once every major gaming site start showing off the exact same date, then we may add a release date. For now it's just 'Holiday 2007.' --Ultima 18:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  All I'll say is that IGN reported it as Christmas. That is all. 195.195.15.250 14:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sega and Nintendo are only saying "Holiday 2007", so that's the only date we know. TJ Spyke 18:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release Date?

message: I don't think it should be included in the article, but just for clarification - Scott Burns is the voice of Bowser. Then again, Bowser hasn't been confirmed, so there's absolutely no reason at all to mention that Scott Burns will appear in the article. JeffreyAtW 16:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Burns 

message: Isnt' it really Sega of Japan that's developing this game? That's what I read from interviews involving the game. Not that it matters, but just some food for thought. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 15:53, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sega of Japan is the main developer, but Nintendo also has people in Sega Japan to help with the game (including Miyamoto). Rumors also have hinted that a company called 'TOSE' is working on the game, as well. --Ultima 02:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, I think read somewhere that Sega Sports is also contributing to the game. But I can't remember exactly where I found it! >_< magiciandude (Talk) (review) 01:06, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick question about the developer 

message: Perhaps we should partially protect this article or something similar. I just saw tons of characters listed on the list. Ironically, whoever did it didn't even change the amount of confirmed characters above. It still read 'six characters' (though I re-wrote it to explain that there were six characters TOTAL with three from each series). I went to go and revert it myself, but someone else fixed it up first. --Ultima 20:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, so much for that. Borincano and I have been reverting and reverting the vandalism, but it keeps coming back. How do we request protection? I don't know how to do it... --Ultima 20:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be protected because it's just one user. However, we can request a block, which is what I'm going to do. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 20:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Content disputes are not vandalism; the IP was making a good faith edit.  You are correct to remove it, but you would probably have better luck keeping it off the page if you ask the IP editor civilly to stop and explain why, rather than slapping threatening and inaccurate vandalism warning templates on his talk page.   If it continues to be a problem, report the article to WP:RFPP for it to be semiprotected for a day or two. Neil ╦ 21:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: We all know this game is a collaborative effort between Nintendo and SEGA. However, who does hold more credit to the game? It cannot be equal.
*Who was the person (from which company) who had thought of this concept in the first place? (Despite the fact this game is very likely made as a fan service for both Nintendo (Mario) and SEGA (Sonic) fans alike.)
*Nintendo is made to publish the game in Japan, so it will be officially a "Nintendo game" for the Japanese. However, SEGA will publish the game in the other territories, so it will be officially a "SEGA game" for the rest of the World, which is a much bigger audience. Therefore, should the game be considered more SEGA than Nintendo?
*There's the fact that Mr. Miyamoto, a Nintendo employee and Mario's creator, is supervising the project. This might be more of a Mario game than a Sonic game. Therefore, should this game be considered more Nintendo than SEGA? Hope(N Forever) 08:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh-huh, that is all original research unless you have proof IP. Anyways, what does it matter? Both Sega and Nintendo will co-own the game (due to both working on it and IP's from both being in it). TJ Spyke 23:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate: Nintendo or SEGA? 

message: http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=10434 Anything in the article worth putting? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 04:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does indicate that more than twenty characters will be in the final game. That probably could be added. --69.210.114.245 05:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New info 

message: Should we put  shot inside the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Willison (talk • contribs) 
:I'll do it. -dogman15 05:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ScreenShots 

message: Are we going to use a new image for the articel? Because the one with Mario, Sonic, and the Olympic logo has been taken down. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 07:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Image 

message: Found this at GoNintendo. http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/marioandsonicattheolympicgames_2.jpg 
magiciandude (Talk) (review) 06:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxart revealed? 

message: Here is a gameplay trailer I found, the original source is G4TV, but this links to YouTube. Charmy the Bee can be seen in the background, possibly indicating that he may be a referee. Shy Guy is also shown in the background before the race starts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaEO6zJ2Uzw 
magiciandude (Talk) (review) 03:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Gameplay Trailer 

message: Playable:
Sonic:Sonic,Tails,Knuckles,Amy,Dr. Eggman,anyone else?
Mario:Mario,Luigi,Peach,Yoshi,King Bowser,anyone else?
Non-playable:
Sonic:Cream,Charmy,Espio,anyone else?
Mario:Toad,Lakitu,Shy Guy,Toadsworth,anyone else?
Should this all be added to the article? -SLJCOAAATR
:I noticed that not all of this is in the article,anyone object to me fixing it?-SLJCOAAATR  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.229.233.168 (talk) 18:27, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
Some possible characters would be Wario, Waluigi, and Shadow due to flags showing their symbols are in the audience. They may also put in characters like Donkey Kong, Silver, Vector, I dunno.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.23.177 (talk) 23:33, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:Why does this matter? Certainly all the 20+ characters that will be in it do not need to be mentioned.FMF 19:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: btw, sign your comments properly. FMF 23:42, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters

message: Hi, you may have noticed that I've been making too much comments on this page, however, that is because I would like to see this article get a GA status. So have I an idea to expand the developement section. The section could expanded to explain on how this game to be. I've seen some interviews explaining on how this game was made. For example, as far back as 2005, Yuji Naka hinted a Mario and Sonic game for the GC.  and that Sega said how they recieved license from the ISM and their decision to ask Nintendo. So, what do you think? magiciandude (Talk) (review) 02:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this which pretty much says its false, but check/contact IGN if they actually have stated such infomation, unless you can find that issue of NOM-uk. FMF 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't think I'd be able to get that magazine issue seeing as it never stated which issue it was. Besides, I was just trying to make an example. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 02:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To expand the development section 

message: There's too much character vandalisim going on. --Coconutfred73 15:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This article needs to be protected

message: Wario, Shadow and Blaze. You can see them in this trailer. Rhonin the wizard 18:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask yourself for example, ability wise, "what exactly distinguishes Robotnik from Sonic?" or "is there a difference  from using Bowser over Sonic"? How does gameplay differ using *insert character* over another? Find those answers and insert what is relevant, this may in turn, open up the opportunity to include other characters into the article (using prose). Nevertheless, every sentence in the second paragraph under "gameplay" that mentions a sporting event will need to be rewritten eventually. FMF 19:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So would a screenshot of the character select screen with all characters be fine? Magiciandude 05:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That can be included too, with the appropriate caption. FMF 15:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New playable characters 

message: I replace the footrace image with the playable character screen shot. However, I also mentioned that each character have their own stats, which makes other characters than each other. Any objections or changes that can be made? Magiciandude 19:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is every character playable, it should be deleted, as it could be considered a spoiler. Cheeze MasterCheeze Master  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 00:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So? In general, spoilers are acceptable (see WP:SPOILER). Besides, I doubt Nintendo and Sega would release screenshots of hidden characters before the game is even released. TJ Spyke 00:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  Plus Wikipedia is not censored.. Magiciandude 00:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

text: You also have to state where you got the picture from and what article uses it (that second one is stupid, I know, but i've had several of my own images tagged for that and required me to say which articles used them). TJ Spyke 22:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  K, take a look now, is it fine now? If not, then let's save room in this article talk page and talk about it in the image talk page. Oh and, thanks.  Magiciandude 23:20, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good, but the fair use tag is still there. Cheeze Master 21:01, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, never mind, I'll hold that off for now since Miis are already mentioned in the article. Unless someone wants to replace now instead. Magiciandude 01:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replaced image 

message: Just like how Pokémon D/P can work with Battle Revoltion, I was wondering if the DS version can work with the Wii version the same way.
I also hoped this was developed by Camelot... they could have allowed you to make a character in the DS version... 168.12.253.66 22:56, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No details have been announced. Camelot Software isn't the only company that can do that. And this isn't a messageboard, this page is for discussing improvements to the articel. TJ Spyke 00:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS/Wii compatibility 

message: The official Nintendo of Australia website states Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games was going to be released on October 22nd, 2007. It even says it is Out Now, as, of course, it has hit October 22nd in Australia. However, I went to buy the game, and no store had Mario & Sonic. Explain, please. - Poke DP 00:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's anything like how things work here in the US, that is only the shipping date. Most games here get shipped on their release date, with most stores getting it the next day (big games like Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and Pokemon Diamond/Pearl get shipped early). Try tomorrow. TJ Spyke 01:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I'll try and help this article when I get it, if that's OK. - Poke DP
I talked to the Sega Staff at the armageddon expo (who were demoing the game with a pre-release build) about this, and they said that the date on the official site is just wrong, with the real date being the 22nd of November, not October.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.1.28 (talk) 09:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't quite understand how an official website could be wrong, but, I'm not getting my hopes up, so I'm OK. Poke DP 09:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, Nintendo of Australia made a mistake. I don't understand how, but they did. Looks like I won't be helping with this page. Poke DP 09:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian Release Date 

message: Another user apparently thinks that two infoboxes are needed (one for the Wii and one for the DS). Instead of discussing it here, they just reverted. It's the same game and doesn't need two different infoboxes IMO. Other similar games share the same infobox (like the PS2 and PSP versions of Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories), so I don't see the need to have different ones here. What do others think? TJ Spyke 22:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. While the DS cover might have just been announced, Wikipedia isn't a place for Recentism. The Wii title is arguably more prominent, therefore there should just be one infobox containing its art. JeffreyAtW 23:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, there's almost no significant artwork differences between box covers (beyond logos, sizing, and placement) and the games are being developed by the same team so there's no need for the second box.  the DS info should be incorporated into the main info box.--MASEM 23:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useless second infobox 

message: On the SEGA europe website it says the 23rd of November. Can we have a link that proves it comes out on the 7th. If not it needs to be changed back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.43.236.153 (talk) 14:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a reliable source? Otherwise we have to use a reliable source for the current date listed by Sega. TJ Spyke 22:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Gamefly doesn't ship to Europe. And no stores are getting SMG tomorrow. North America doesn't get it until next Monday, Europe the Friday after that. Nintendo won't ship it to Europe this early, and any store selling it early would get in trouble. TJ Spyke 00:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That is when the store gets it. The general rule for 95% of games: the release date is when the company ships it. Most stores get it in the next day. TJ Spyke 01:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless your friend lives in Japan (or imported the game), your friend does not have a legit copy of the game (unless he stole one of the "demo" copies from GameStop, since Nintendo sends out the full game instead of just a real demo). TJ Spyke 02:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: November 7th

message: The game is not coming out in NA until the 20th!! I've called four toys r us and three local toy stores finding it and everyone said the 20th!! NOT THE 6th. Jason Garrick 01:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And yet, NONE of them are reliable. I'm pretty sure I saw this at the store yesterday. Then again, my face was half numb. =\ Dengarde ► Complaints  01:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just got the game last friday! What are you guys talking about?! Plus it is fun too. Fangz the Wolf 13:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: November 20th NOT november 6th