Talk:Technocracy (disambiguation)

message: "The word technocracy (or the adjective technocrat) has also been (mis)applied to refer to ideas revolving around technology and so may also refer to:"
I'd like to know why the "(mis)" was put in here, as I do not think that it applies to the Technocratic movement. While it may apply to the other reference there, I think that it is misleading to group them both under something where people could misconstrue the Technocratic Movement as being an improper use of the word. Is there a better way to change this?
--Kolzene 01:17, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The changes seemed to be based on the opinion of the editor and gave preference to some articles as being "correct" or "incorrect". I have changed it back giving everything equal weight again. I did leave in the entymology though. - DNewhall 05:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: This disambiguation page was marked for cleanup per MoS:DAB. The following entries were (a) too detailed and (b) not related enough for a disambiguation page but I'm still copying them here in case someone can turn them into something suitable/useful for this dab page (see WP:DAB and MoS:DAB) or for wikt:technocrat or wikt:technocracy.
* A political attitude common to Thorstein Veblen and H. G. Wells, who considered that the economy would be better off run by technical experts instead of private industry. This is somewhat similar to the ideas of the Technocratic movement, mentioned above. See also planned economy and anticipatory democracy.
* A term adopted by Neil Postman to describe a society where tools play a central role in culture and everything must give way to the advancement of the tools, yet there are alternatives still present
*In Francoist Spain, the tecnócratas were a group of politicians associated with the Opus Dei who took the running of the economy of Spain from the autarkic Falangists, incorporating Spain to Western capitalism and producing the Spanish Miracle.
* A technocrat can be an individual who makes decisions based solely on technical information and not personal or public opinion. This definition is usually applied to political decision makers who use this method to guide their actions.
– sgeureka t•c 20:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I must object to this, all those things do represent some meaning of the word in different contexts, it is not useful at all to delete many of them wholesale and cut the rest a single (something inaccurate) sentence. It's more complicated then that and needs to be explained. I agree that there is probably too much information here for a disambig page, but it needs to be whittled down more carefully. --Hibernian 01:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reviewed the removed entries and can only say that I disagree. Disambiguation pages (which "Technocracy" has been for over a year) are for resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic (Wikipedia:Disambiguation). None of the removed entries resolved such a conflict, and meanings of a word are better left for wiktionary. The removed entries also did not provide links to a section-in-article where the topic is explained in more detail. Therefore, I removed them per MoS:DAB. If you think they can be fleshed out into their own article, start an article and link to them from this disambiguation page. Have a look at other dab pages and you'll see that "Technocracy" was marked for cleanup for a reason. If you think my clean-up was inappropriate (per MoS:DAB) and you can do a better job, be my guest, as I don't claim to be a Technocracy expert (but I'd say I'm a bit of disambiguation expert by now). I'm going to revert your revert now. – sgeureka t•c 14:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The idea of this page, Skip, if you haven't already figured it out (which you obviously haven't), is to link to the different meanings of the word "technocracy", it is not about the Technocracy movement, that's what that page is for. Get it? --Hibernian (talk) 16:17, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: We're not supposed to expand the page Skip, it's supposed to contain only one link to each idea. That's the Nature of a Disambiguation page, it's just a navigational aid. --Hibernian (talk) 03:11, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

text: As a navigation aid it this page should have links to both Tech Inc and the technocracy movement as they are not the same thing (although Tech inc is the main part of the movement). Also the link the Anticipatory democracy page should also be here as they use the term technocracy as well and the point of this page is the different usages of the word, even if we don't agree with their usage. Isenhand (talk) 07:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: This page is not about if there is or is not a connection with a Technate, that’s why Anticipatory Democracy should be here. This page is about different meanings for the word technocracy. That’s the point of this page. The word has been used a number of ways. Technocracy is not just what you say it is. Isenhand (talk) 05:11, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: :: While this page may be about different meanings of the word... it is not about one editors different meaning of the word. Also it is noted that perhaps an account was just set up for the express purpose of reinforcing a biased view (in my opinion) of this article. This may be a sock puppet account solely used to revert. This is the account (CSUNhistorian (Talk |). skip sievert (talk) 14:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A non political (democratic or other) system. 

message: And while there are.. they are not related to the information in any way as people have tried to link them. Again that amorphous term really means nothing much except a connection to an article that is mostly about TechInc. It can relate to any number of notable or non notable groups or sites.. forums or blogs or what ever. Technocracy movement is an article that could be put up as an article for possible deletion. It is mostly repetitive information from the TechInc article ... and was originally created to promote two blogging/forum sites which no longer exist. 
Technocracy Incorporated as a subgroup of Technocracy movement? That goes against every conceivable way of looking at this. These others are spin offs of the original group. Despite what is conjectured in some fiction books. Here is a short history of the movement. It is suggested reading Fireblade. It is not based on fiction.  http://www.technocracy.org/Archives/History%20&%20Purpose-r.htm
History and Purpose of Technocracy. As far as consensus that is a tricky thing when dealing with a cabal of editors that are trying to conform articles to a book written by one of themselves. As a registered member of net there is a direct conflict of interest of trying to conform edits to a leaders instructions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest
Wikipedia ... In essence fireblade you are trying to link your group to a movement. It is not connected though. You are a paying member of a commercial blogging site in Europe that was shown to exibit this quality previously http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VSCA
Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement. skip sievert (talk) 15:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technocracy movement a nonstarter.. there are hundreds of groups that use that word

message: Noticed that this basic article did not have much of any information on it so expanded it and added a bunch of ref. citation links to the material also. Then noticed that it is supposed to be a (Wikipedia:Disambiguation) article... so I removed the information. Whoops. skip sievert (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanded article