Talk:Jesus movement

message: Between 1975-1981,I compiled a history of the local Jesus People movement in La Crosse,Wisconsin.The notes and memoranda are now at the area research center at 
Eugene Murphy Library -University of Wisconsin-La Crosse.The local Jesus People Movement evolved into some pentecostal,charismatic churches in the area.I thought this was important enough to submit.Thank you-
Richard F. Dungar-La Crosse,Wisconsin RFD 13:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus People Movement 

message: I have some familiarity with Jesus People and I don't know that the "Law of the Excluded middle" was/is a hot topic for them.  Can anyone justify this reference?
:If anything, their simplistic theology would imply they accepted the Law of the Excluded Middle (everything is either/or, there is no compromise or middle ground). I suggest this sentence needs to go unless someone can find a reliable source for it, or indeed for the opposite proposition that their theology was based on the Law of the Excluded Middle. John Campbell 09:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-reading, I think this sentence was phrased unhelpfully. I now take it to mean: "Accepting the law of the excluded middle, they rejecting the middle ground" which is undoubtedly correct. John Campbell 10:00, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have since found what appears to be an entirely different meaning for Excluded Middle here: Flaw of the Excluded Middle. Put simply, this "Excluded Middle" separates the spiritual and the physical worlds; rejecting it means a belief system that allows the spiritual realm to interact with the physical. In which case, the original sentence makes sense, but is too obscure to stand. John Campbell (talk) 08:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Excluded Middle?

message: "Jesus Music, began as an industry", from all that I have read and heard discusses, Jesus Music began not as an industry but as an extension of the faith and close tied to music that was held by some of the early hippie and counter-culture converts. The Jesus music article backs this latter view. I don't know the history of that phrase but will be chaging it soon unless there is strong objection. --Walter Görlitz 19:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus Music Industry?

message: This article needs to be split into two seperate articles. For right now I'm going to delete the scant information about early Christians--as it is poor style. A stub for the antiquarian Jesus Movement and a disambiguation needs to be done eventually. --Brentt 05:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikify to two seperat articles

message: I've removed a few sentences that I think may be factually inaccurate. I think they contradict this source: http://www.calvarychapel.com/assets/pdf/lastTimesFall1981.pdf and the second one doesn't seem to add up logically. Frisbee was only with Calvary from around 67/68 to 71, so it seems hard for him to have started the church as it began in 65. Additionally, they had already grow out of several buildings before Frisbee came, so it doesn't seem like he was the reason for its growth. Nor could he be the reason for the continued growth since he left in 71. The original author gave no source (nor for any of the article), so I have removed it all on the basis of WP:V. The sentences are the following:
Although there were some like the :Calvary Chapel movement who did not, these remained more on the fringe of the movement.
who along with Chuck Smith started the :Calvary Chapel movement. Most churches in the United States rejected the Jesus Freaks. Frisbee was the primary evangelist and responsible for the growth of the Calvary churches; Smith was one of the few pastors who welcomed in the Jesus Freaks, and thus allowed for the dramatic future growth of his affiliate church network.
--Basar 06:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual accuracy 

message: The material that UKamp attempted to add regarding the Jesus Army really belongs on the Jesus Army page if anywhere. But it needs to be stripped of POV and sourced according to Wiki principles first. John Campbell (talk) 18:22, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus Army 

message: Apparently someone who worked on this article has a bias against anything casting a positive light on the anti-Vietnam war protestors as personified by the Jesus Movement.  If protest is "un-American", then anyone who has worked to make this nation a better place for all human beings (including slavery abolitionists, suffragettes and early labor union members) is "un-American." 
Such a comment puts into dispute the objectivity of this article, and I respectfully ask for that term to be deleted immediately.
Kulturvultur (talk) 16:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The term used in the article is anti-American, which has a different meaning. However, I can't see its use as NPOV as the Jesus People referred to were presumably American themselves. "Against US government policies", may be acceptable. It is also unsourced and ought really to have a Reliable Source to back up the assertion. John Campbell (talk) 10:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Un-American?!? 

message: The "See Also" section contains links to Wikipedia articles already linked from the body of the article and links to peripherally relevant (and largely irrelevant) articles. The only link that stands out as justifiable is the one to the Jesus freak article. Any comments before I act ruthlessly? John Campbell (talk) 12:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. John Campbell (talk) 13:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

message: I have recently reverted a series of edits by AngelinaR. For better or worse, we are co-operating on an encyclopedia, not writing personal history. Under Wikipedia rules, personal experience counts as  original research and is not allowed. Equally, the article is not to represent one's own  Point of View, but to be a digest of a range of views. John Campbell (talk) 10:47, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal experience 

message: The term "Jesus Movement" is often used as term among historians to refer to the followers of Jesus prior to a schism with Judaism-- i.e. before Christianity began to be regarded as a separate religion.  Any thoughts on creating an article just on the use of the term and why scholars use it, the history of the term, the train of thought that led to the use of the term?   
I think Jesus Movement would certainly still go to this article on the 20th century movement, but if anyone wanted to take a stab at writing about the 1st century movement in the Jesus Movement (Early Christianity) article, I'd encourage it.   --Alecmconroy (talk) 11:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jesus Movement (Early Christianity)]]?

message: The list of external links is growing, and it has been suggested that it resembles a link farm. As per Wiki procedure I have tagged the page to invite some pruning. I am sure some of the links, perhaps the majority, are of value. But please comment. John Campbell (talk) 13:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which links would you like to prune? I haven't looked at them, but suggesting unnecessary links seems to be a better policy than leaving it open and asking for feedback. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added a link to Jesus People USA because I think it appropriately provides a look into how the movement evolved. Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 13:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I wrote a map, as a dynamically generated template, of Christian music festivals in the year 1975. I'm not necessarily sure that that map is relevant to this article, but it occurs to me that a similar map of Jesus movement era communes would be an excellent visual aid for this article. Unfortunately, while this topic is an area of interest for me, my research into it is quite surface. Can someone recommend how to build (or produce) a list of communes (with references)? I think a list should include city, organization, years active, and maybe others details. Dan, the CowMan (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would make a good addition to the Beliefs and practices section. The question is, does anyone have a complete and definitive list of Christian communes?--Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal: a map 

message: As a former "Jesus Freak", I cannot overstress how much the music drove the Jesus movement, at least between 1970 and 1976.
It was not an "industry" as stated in the article, but a group of "music ministers" who would play at any church or school, coffeehouse,or park, no matter how big or small. Little money was generated from ticket sales; but records, and tapes were alway available on a table near the door.  I still treasure my original copies of albums by Love Song, Honeytree, Larry Norman, Second Chapter of Acts, and others, bought at these concerts. 
I am suprised, that nothing was written about the large venue, outdoor, "Woodstock-like" festivals that were held all over the country. Hundreds of Jesus People camping out in the dirt, rain, and mud in order to hear a couple days of Jesus Music and buy food, records, books, and "Jesus Junk" from vendors in makeshift tents.  The yearly festivals in Pennsylvania, (Jesus 73, 74, etc.) were amazing.  For me, the Jesus Movement ended in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in July of 1976 at the "Greatest Bicenteniall, Premillenial, Jesus Concert Ever". An all day concert featuring some big names, and small, and MC'd by Mike Warnke; it was marred by open bickering between the people onstage, and low attendance and boredom from the audience. Honeytree tried desperately to save the day by leading worship songs at the end, accompanied by most of the other musicians, but everyone I talked to left very sad.  In the next year, the leaders of the local Jesus People groups in our area seemed to wake up and realize they weren't hippie teenagers anymore. They either tried starting actual churches (sone successfully, some not), or just went on to secular jobs and raising families. Jesus Music became the CCM industry, and Calvary Chapel begat Vineyard, and all was "well" with Christianity in the USA.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.188.242 (talk) 16:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus Music 

message: Are there no writings on any issues this movement may have had with other christian lineages, or criticism from anyone, within or outside christendom? This is a very nice description, of a movement in part connected to Hippie culture, which if i remember was itself somewhat...controversial.(mercurywoodrose)76.254.36.185 (talk) 02:31, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues

message: Although this is personal experience, I am wondering if there are any objective sources or research that can verify this. I was in my late teens at the height of the Jesus People movement, and it had a positive impact on my life. That aside, I recall a clear divide between the Jesus People and Jesus Freaks with whom I associated, and those in Youth for Christ and Campus Crusade for Christ. Jesus People were fundamentally counter-culture, and viewed organized religion with suspicion, and considered their own faith "real" versus the "plastic" faith of anyone who took a more organized approach to things. YFC and CCC fell into that camp, from a Jesus People perspective. CCC's sponsorship and organization of Explo 72 was viewed by many Jesus People I knew as a sellout to organized religion, and they viewed Bill Bright and CCC as subverting the "pure" nature of the Jesus Movement. Many in the Jesus People Movement that I knew had come from conservative evangelical families and upbringing, and to have the "suits" take an interest in and try to become a part of the JP Movement was offensive for many of them. Again, this is personal experience. My question is, does anyone know of any objective sources or research to support my observations?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.77.19.206 (talk) 20:00, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Di Sabatino's work might. I can't recall. You might want to check the bibliography section. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:12, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural divide between Jesus people, YFC and CCC 

message: The article makes it appear that the "Jesus" movement was exclusively Protestant.  But, in the wake of Vatican II, it can be detected in the Catholic church too: campus ministry, Charismatic Catholics, folk masses, Jesuits, etc.  It could be said that Pope Francis is the ultimate fullfillment of this phenomenon within Catholicism.  They even put his picture on the cover of Rolling Stone! Garagepunk66 (talk) 00:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The Catholic charismatic movement was tangential to the Evangelical Protestant Jesus movement. While they happened at around the same time, they did not have the same results. The Catholic movement was as a result of the removal of Latin in the liturgy and this opened the way, through the ":spirit of Vatican II", to the introduction of "folk music" and jazz into the liturgy. This did not see a mass conversion to Catholicism but a stemming of the tide of departures. Certainly not akin the mass conversions seen during the Jesus movement, including all-day, mass, ocean-water baptisms that was seen multiple times in the Southern California. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus movement also present in Catholicism 

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