Talk:Children's Aid Society (Ontario)

message: FIGHT RIGHTLY AGAINST CHILDREN AID SOCIETIES; F.R.A.C.A.S.
It was back in 1989 that the head of FRACAS mentioned to me his problems with the childrens aid society.  At the time, the CAS was building a new building as caseloads were exploding, and I heard a few complaints.
I was interested to hear what a workshop on "Child Abuse' had to say, and I attended two of them back in 1989.   A panel comprised of some 6 women, and 1 man spoke on the problem of child abuse, as they defined it 'men who abuse, women and children victims'.
You will note the model was not only anti-male, but included 'women' as victims.  The more correct model would include some women and some children who abuse children including children who abuse themselves including systems that abuse children.
I recall mentioning to them that there model was incorrect, and they just starred at me as if I had said the world was not flat.
Well years later we can look back and say with 100% confidence that the CAS was corrupted with a hidden anti-male agenda that would also victimize women and the family, with a biased, bigoted model.
In the past 18 years, little has been said about this obvious corruption ?  Why ?
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 23:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: You will note the omission of children who abuse.
A significant error, creating a half-truth model that will polarize the issue and lead to other social problems...as they have...children seeing themselves only a potential victims...and not as potential abusers...
It is hoped history and this media will show how this agency was corrupted by a hidden agenda....
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 17:43, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children who abuse. 

message: This article seems to have been written with someone with an axe to grind. It needs to be made much more objective.
--74.13.176.168 (talk) 05:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You couldn't be more correct. This article is CLEARLY one sided and from the get go is looking to make CAS look bad.  I have had experience with CAS as a Foster Father, and while there certainly are problems, this article is a disgrace.  I am tempted to see about marking it for deletion unless someone is willing to help me clean it up?  Dphilp75 (talk) 05:07, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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message: The material quoted below needs improvement, please discuss. I could see where a reference to a CRA decision could be found but the last line needs extensive referencing to prove it isn't opinion. Also "frequently" should be replaced with a number or percentage.
"Frequently, CAS agencies will employ the services of private foster care agencies which are licensed in the same manner as themselves by the Ministry of Children and Youth Services. Private foster care agencies (OPRs or "Service Partners") are contracted on a per child basis and are responsible for the care of the child in a foster or group home setting while deferring all issues that require a guardian to the child's CAS worker. Recently, Canada Revenue Agency has ruled that foster care services provided in a parent model group home by a private agency fall under the Excise Tax Act which means these services are not HST exempt. This decision by CRA will put many CAS agencies in a severe budget crisis as they rely on private foster care agencies for hard-to-mange and special needs children."Daffydavid (talk) 10:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved unsourced material from article to here. Please improve by rewrite or reference. 

message: There is no history section for this article, this seems odd. Also, there appears to be change happening in CAS due to ongoing financial mismanagement. This should be added as it appears at least one of the CAS is now under direct control of the Government.Daffydavid (talk) 18:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  History, Ongoing change 

message: Please discuss changes made on article page here. Without discussion it just becomes random edits. Daffydavid (talk) 08:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good faith edits. 

message: The Ontario Association of Social Workers does not advocate for CAS. CAS also has a long running dispute going with The Ontario College of Social Workers due to the practice of doing social work using unregistered workers by simply renaming their job title.Daffydavid (talk) 14:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that was what I said with the edit.  The primary role of an advocacy organization is to run commercials in order to influence public opinion, and also to lobby the government in order to influence legislation. The OACAS is made up of member CAS organizations.  The OASW is made up of social workers.  I guess I just assumed that the CASs would hire bona fide social workers, making OASW the advocacy organization for CAS workers (distinct from CAS organizations).  If your typical CAS is hiring unregistered workers, these workers are left unrepresented, since they aren't part of the profession.  I mostly wanted to make it clear that neither the OACAS nor the OASW exists to look out for the interests of the children, despite what they will say in the advertisements or literature.  They represent their members.  JethroElfman (talk) 05:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand what you are saying but OASW is probably the wrong rep for the workers. The ones that are registered belong to OCSW which is by law. I am unsure if the non-registered social workers (renamed as child protection worker, etc.) are represented by anyone besides a union.Daffydavid (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You are confusing the purpose of the groups.  The OCSW is a regulatory agency which protects the public interest by licensing and disciplining practitioners, just as Professional Engineers Ontario does for engineers and College of Physicians & Surgeons Ontario does for doctors.  The OASW is an advocacy group (perjoratively called a lobby group), which is largely an advertising agency representing the practitioners.  The corresponding group for engineers is Ontario Society of Professional Engineers, and for doctors Ontario Medical Association.  Neither a regulatory body nor an advocacy body performs union activities such as collective bargaining with an employer. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia article for professional association fails to make the disctinction of role clear. JethroElfman (talk) 04:14, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we just delete the "advocacy group" heading and list all three groups OASW, OSCW, OACAS in the Authority section with definitions such as these, with references to the "about" page of each group as source for the definition of that group's purpose. JethroElfman (talk) 04:20, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can manage to word your suggestion - I mostly wanted to make it clear that neither the OACAS nor the OASW exists to look out for the interests of the children, despite what they will say in the advertisements or literature. They represent their members. - to make this clear then go for it. I think leaving them in the advocacy section is better than authority - that's just confusing to the uninitiated.Daffydavid (talk) 19:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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message: I'm trying to find information about the joint nature of humane and children's aid societies which sprang from a common impulse. We could use a bit of information on that history here. My understanding is that the CAS is a breakaway from what became the THS.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.48.106 (talk) 14:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the children's aid movement 

message: Is this a seperate group from CanadaCourtWatch.com? Removed material WP:Undue. May be appropriate if trimmed and added in a new section - suggest as sub heading to contoversy.--Daffydavid (talk) 11:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada Court Watch.org 

message: As discussed on the Talk page, it has come to my attention that the Canadian CAS page is in dire need of a history section. I propose to detail this foundation’s history by detailing how the Society was founded, and set in within the historical context it was created in a new section. I will also include important components, such a detailing the significance of orphan trains and the possible effects they had on CAS as well as give a bit more background on the society’s founder, Charles Loring Brace. It is my impression that a timeline of sorts is also necessary, detailing important events in the Society’s opening years, and plan on detailing relevant events in the subsequent decades. I estimate that my timeline of subject matter will likely span from the 1850s to the early 1960s. While I realize that records of CAS are largely hard to find, I believe that my sources will prove beneficial in clarifying and expanding this Wiki page. My proposed sources are listed below.
Please let me know your thoughts, recommendations, and feel free to comment, thank you.
Aitken, Gail. “Changing Adoption Policy and Practice to Deal with Children in Limbo.” Child Welfare 74, 3 (1995): 679. http://dd6db2vc8s.search.serialssolutions.com/(February 8, 2016).
Chambers, Lori. Misconceptions: Unmarried Motherhood & the Ontario Children of Unmarried Parents Act, 1921-1969. Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 2007.
Hasan, Jack.“Brace, Charles Loring – Social Welfare History Project,” Social Welfare and History Project, http://www.socialwelfarehistory.com/people/brace-charles-loring/ (February 9, 2016).
O'Connor, Stephen. Orphan Trains: The Story of Charles Loring Brace and the Children He Saved and Failed. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 2001. 
Trammell, Rebecca S. "Orphan Train Myths and Legal Reality." The Modern American, Fall 2009, 3-13. Accessed February 9, 2016. 
https://www.wcl.american.edu/modernamerican/documents/Trammell.pdf
Unknown, “History of Firsts,” The Children’s Aid Society, http://www.childrensaidsociety.org/about/history/history-firsts (February 8, 2016).
Frozen-constellations (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Frozen-constellations, this looks like a great start - don't be afraid to draw on more general sources on the history of child welfare as well - Wikipedia considers textbooks reliable, and proof that a topic is worthy and well-known. You might also want to consult the final report of the Truth and Reconciliation (or the executive summary, available online I believe), which I think might mention the role that Children's Aid Societies played in residential schools. Since your focus is Ontario, there might not be any specific examples in the Report (there were relatively few RS in Ontario compared to the Prairies/BC). Cliomania (talk) 06:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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