Talk:Dog Day Afternoon

message: Hello there! I noticed you've been doing some further copy-editing. I've nominated the article. Is it still officially "in use" by the Guild or closed? Thanks for your contributions by the way.--GDuwenHoller! 22:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Further editing

message: I recently did a major expansion on this article. My intention is to have a detailed entry (on what I personally consider) a wonderful film that featured: the great acting of Al Pacino, John Cazale, and the rest of the cast. And of course, Sidney Lumet's direction. 
That being said, I've noticed there were a number of recent edits regarding the pronouns used for the character "Leon". Now, Frank Pierson, the writer of the script made clear that he was writing a fiction story based on the Life magazine article. The writer was unhappy with the studio's decision to publicize the film as a "true story", and he went as far as to declare that he would take his case to the Writers Guild of America. 
Now, here we want to make a distinction between Elizabeth Eden, the actual person, and "Leon", a fictional character. The sections dealing with the actual person refer merely to the subject as Eden, without making any use of pronouns. I did that intentionally, since I am aware of the current discussion surrounding the use of pronouns. The use of any of the two would cause the people who do not agree to change them, and then that others revert its use because they don't agree either. As a side note, I did clarify that Eden's former name was Ernie Aron in the body of the article because of the use of the name in the newspaper articles written at the time of the robbery.1, 2
Talking about the character "Leon", the screenplay refers to the subject as "him" (eg. "The crowd yelling in increasing waves of SOUND; Moretti and cops pick up Leon and rush him toward the barbershop"), and so do the characters in the movie. Doing otherwise makes the changes to the plot confusing. Meanwhile, I don't see an use of describing the character as Elizabeth Eden, since Eden was a real person, and not a fictional character. Plus, the on-screen text did not make any mention to Leon now being named Elizabeth (I corrected that part on the plot). The screenplay suggested that Leon "is now a woman named Lana", but the final on-screen text said "Leon Shermer is now a woman living in New York City". 
On the featurette Dog Day Afternoon': The Story, as well as on the Los Angeles Times piece linked above, Pierson clarifies that the story of film is centered in the constant failure of the main character to deliver his promises. The film is not focused on Leon's surgery, nor around Sonny being bisexual. As the director mentions it on the featurette, as well as other interviews, Sonny's relation to Leon is just presented matter-of-fact: the guy robbing the bank happens to be bisexual. It is the story of a poorly planned robbery, a neurotic bank robber, and the people caught in between (inside and outside of the bank). 
For the time being, the article is being protected with "pending changes", but I don't see this situation with the constant reverting of edits changing any time in the future. In my estimation, it should be kept that way so that any discussion takes place here on the talk page, instead of having this constant edit wars that threaten the article's stability.--GDuwenHoller! 21:21, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: A note on the use of pronouns regarding the character "Leon", and the real person

message: the "caravan" to the airport? think you mean 'convoy'. 209.171.85.191 (talk) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible use of incorrect words? 

message: when reporting monies paid, at least twice, Angie W, the wife, is called Carmen - who is one of her daughters.  confusing. 209.171.85.191 (talk) 06:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Angie is the name of the character while Carmen Wojtowicz was the name of the real person (see Cast section).--GDuwenHoller! 18:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  names 

message: I believe the quote from Lumet(?) re wedding footage comes up before any mention of the wedding scene included in the screenplay. 209.171.85.191 (talk) 06:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the formatting comes out that way on the mobile version. On the web browser version it's seen to the right next to the paragraph that mentions the wedding.--GDuwenHoller! 18:44, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  wedding footage