Talk:Led Zeppelin/Archive 1

message: Just saw that it is already included in the John Paul Jones Page. Look's like this case is already settled.  --Johnnyw 15:40, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, had heard that about the name being suggested to him. So is, for example, his passport under John Baldwin? I am still curious as it would therefore be strange for his wife to be known as Mo Jones. That said, it might be even stranger for her to be known as Mo Baldwin despite being married to John Paul Jones! --HighHopes 19:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually I can confirm that it is a pseudonym. His birth name is John Baldwin (his father is Joe Baldwin). "The name John Paul Jones was suggested to him by a friend, Andrew Loog Oldham, after seeing a movie poster with that name on it in France"  I will include this info about John on the Led Zep wiki page and on the John Paul Jones page.. Also mentioned in    --Johnnyw 15:37, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone confirm if John Paul Jones is a pseudonym or an actual name change? Album credits refer to his wife as Mo Jones; the article mentions his daughter as Jacinda Jones. If John Paul Jones is his actual name now, his family's names would make more sense. This point has also been raised on the page for John Paul Jones. --HighHopes 13:46, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jones's name 

message: Recent edits chaned the desctipiton of Presence from (I paraphrase) "dire" to "wonderful". Neither is NPoV. Andy Mabbett 10:12, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Presence

message: I'm changing the first link in the article to direct to Blues-Rock from Blues-Rock. Blues-Rock is a term/classificaton in wide use on "pro" databases like allmusic.com but for some reason Led Zeppelin (or Cream) aren't mentioned in the wikipedia article on Blues-Rock at this time.
--apecat 13:30, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Blues]]-[[Rock and roll|Rock]] or [[Blues-Rock]]? 

message: What's the rationale for categorizing this article as Category:American musical groups ? — B.Bryant 23:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: Quoting ... 
"When adopting the name, the word 'lead' was misspelled deliberately to avoid confusion, fearing Americans might pronounce it 'lead Zeppelin' (as in 'lead singer'), as opposed to a zeppelin constructed of the metal lead."
?!?!?!
What the FREAKING hell has this to do with Americans??
Oughtn't 'Americans' be replaced by 'people'?
*Any* English-speaking person might pronounce "lead" as "LEED" like in Leeds.
This wording definitely puts Americans in a very ridiculous light, because it suggests that only Americans would mis-pronounce it. ;)
-andy 80.129.47.116 16:19, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be that anybody might mis-pronounce it, but what was the band thinking when they came up with it? If they did it because they felt that Americans might get it wrong then it has to stand. The band can't be expected to be NPOV. If however there is no evidence for that being their thinking then it needs to go.  — KayEss | talk 16:26, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Until we see a reference I don't think there is any reason for Americans to be singled out in this article.  I'm a big fan and have read numerous books and articles on the band and am familiar with their wishes not to have the name pronounced incorrectly.  However, in none of the research I have done on the band have I heard the band were thinking about Americans in particular.  I find the above argument that Americans were more likely to mispronounce it than the British to be completely baseless (on the contrary, Zeppelin famously had a better relationship with the American press than the British).  This is likely the usual anti-American rubbish made up when someone changes a name (eg a similar falsehood was made up as a reason for naming the film adaptation of The Madness of George III, "The Madness of King George".  According to (false) rumour it was so Americans wouldn't think it was a sequel.--Zoso Jade 14:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I've read this in Stephen Davis's (admittedly inaccurate) book among several others. The info is accurate. Bcarlson33 23:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a rubbish! 

message: The article was edited to show Page played the mandolin and that Jones didn't - have reverted, as Jones was as likely to play mandolin in the studio (not that they used it much) and always played it live. Sure, Page used (Jones's) mandolin on Battle of Evermore, but then you could add 'guitar' next to JPJ - the opening to Celebration Day is him. Would be misleading, which also explains the revert. If you insist, take mandolin out altogether rather than move back to Page. --High (Hopes) 06:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandolin 

message: My thought is that the VH1 thing doesn't belong in the lead; it is a made-for-TV thing and not really a recognized "honor" or historical milestone in the big picture.  Can we discuss here, if not I will move the mention elsewhere in a day or so.  Jgm 02:09, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  VH1 

message: In the Led Zeppelin article box at the bottom of every Zep article it has: 
The Song Remains the Same under "Original albums"
V's 
How the West Was Won under "Other albums"
Aren't these comparatively the same thing? Live albums done when the band was touring in the 70's?
Maybe "Original" should be "Studio" and The Song Remains the Same moved to "Other"?
WikiDon 00:26, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article box : ''"The Song Remains the Same"'' V's ''"How the West Was Won"'' 

message: Here's just a FEW of the things that, far as I can tell, this article COMPLETELY misses.
LZ and the groupies. This is huge. Page is rumored to have had a 15 year old 'girlfriend' for quite awhile and their antics are rock scene legendary even memorialized in Zappa's classic Live at the Filmore back in 1971.
LZ and satanic images. I can understand the reluctance of zep fanatics to include material such as this, but it's very important to the overall record, much in the same way the whole "Paul is Dead" issue should be included in any comprehensive piece on The Beatles. Page was apparently enamored with Alistar Crowley and even perhaps Anton Levay. (sp?) When the 'backward masking' issue arose, Stairway to Heaven was found to be a chief culprit. There's a whole lot of material on this topic that ought to be covered. I'm a big Zep fan, but you can't just sugarcoat everything.
Also, missing was how SAVAGED they were by most 'professional' rock critics, especially Rolling Stone Magazine, which makes 'Almost Famous's' use of an LZ tune especially ironic.
LZ are frequently accused of flat out RIPPING OFF old school blues legends without giving them proper attribution and these charges are almost certainly legit. (Although, personally I'm quite glad they did! :) In fact, I think the caretakers of Robert Johnson's estate actually won some kind of settlement. 
Big Daddy 18:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow! So Much Missing 

message: "Stairway to Heaven.... is often estimated to be the most-played song in the history of radio."
Any sources for this? I was under the impression that, worldwide, 'Yesterday' by the Beatles was easily the most played. TheMadBaron 04:39, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stairway to Heaven 

message: A friend of mine is telling me that Led Zeppelin frequently references Lord of the Rings characters and places.  I havent read the books or seen the movies, so i dont know anything about LOTR.  Can someone please clarify or disembaru this claim.  Gracias por nachos--Gephart 04:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Several Zeppelin tracks reference Tolkien books.  Take a look here  --86.137.54.95 10:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He actually says in the interview that he didn't intend "Ramble On" to be a Tolkien allegory or anything, just that it was about what was going in his life, but there's no doubt that "Mordor" and "Gollum" are direct lifts from LoTR. Dharmabum420 23:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: There is also a reference in "The Battle of Evermore" (which some people think refers to the battle in which they defend Gondor in LoTR): ... the drums will shake the castle wall, the ring wraiths ride in black... Dharmabum420 23:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, He could have just been using Lord of the Rings as Symbology, but not actually talking about Lord of the Rings.
Qballony 23:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lord of the Rings in Led Zeppelin

message: i don't know if there's an official wikipedia policy regarding this, but i don't think the led zeppelin (or any band) page should link to "lyrics" sites unless the lyrics are official (or at least verified with an official source cited). thoughts? (by the way, if anyone has the true, robert-plant-written lyrics to "ten years gone" i'd appreciate them)  Streamless 16:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Links to "Lyrics" Web Pages

message: Hi this is my first wikipedia thing so I hope i do it ok and apologise if I don't.
I bought a record from a charity shop called Hard To Beat Rap Mania, a compilation album.
It has an interesting old school rap cover version of Whole Lotta Love by somebody called Vicious Rumour Club on it and I wondered if this could be mentioned? The record is copyright 1989 and has caddalogue number STYRL005
It also features a song Def Beat by Beware Affair which samples Heartbreaker, along with some speech from Mission Impossible.
**This is not relevant enough to be included, since there are upwards of hundreds of bands/artists that have performed covers of Led Zeppelin songs. firenexx 18:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  led zeppelin cover