Talk:With the Beatles

message: Though they are sourced, Rock and Pop seem kind of redundant here, as the already listed Rock'N'Roll covers Rock, and Merseybeat covers both Pop and Rock. I think Rock'N'Roll and Merseybeat alone would cover the album's style perfectly without flooding the infobox. Poppermost2014 (talk) 13:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: Is this WP:RS? In the UK in the 60s, people bought singles. Many record-players were only for 7" records that played at 45rpm. Famous "Album Awards" that occurred in the early 60's were to Victor Silvester, who was awarded a specially-made Silver Record for selling '250 000 albums in 25 years. Russ Conway was known in the UK as The King of the LPs, because his first SIX albums had total combined worldwide sales of 250 000 copies. Conway was also awarded with a specially-made Silver Record, and appeared on the front cover of Entertainment magazines, newspapers etc. for this extraordinary achievement...in 1961. 
The Hit Parade at the time was NOT a "Singles Chart". It was for ALL Music releases. Only, it was almost always entirely singles, because even the best-selling albums couldn't reach the lowest levels of the Record Chart. Up to the release of the first Beatles LP only three albums had ever made it into the charts at all... Songs For Swingin Lovers by Frank Sinatra which peaked at Number 12, and 2 Elvis Presley albums.. Elvis Is Back, and G.I. Blues, which each only reached the very lowest levels of the chart.
Even Cliff Richard, who had singles sell over a million copies, knew that his best-selling albums wouldn't sell even sell 50,000 UK copies.People bought SINGLES, NOT ALBUMS.
It was therefore a shock when, in February 1962, Elvis was awarded a specially-made Silver Record for 250 000 UK sales of G.I Blues. The first album to ever sell a quarter of a million copies in the UK alone. It was claimed that G.I. Blues went on to sell 300 000 copies in the UK alone, making it the biggest-selling album in the UK...EVER.
But then in 1963, The Beatles were awarded TWO Silver Records. Because apparently both Please Please Me and With The Beatles had achieved UK sales of at least 250 000 copies. With The Beatles went much better than even that, soon being awarded a Gold Record for UK sales of one million copies! This is intriguing, as Please Please Me never entered the Charts at all, whereas With The Beatles reached an album high of Number 11. Only it was quickly in-and-out of the charts, spending only a small fraction of Songs For Swingin' Lovers' duration.
But... the UK publication DISC awarded Silver Records for any record that had sold 250 000 in the UK. But, to be presented with such an award, the record label had to first provide DISC with properly audited sales data and paperwork. NONE of G.I. Blues, Please Please me or With The Beatles were ever given DISC Silver Records, because none of those three records' audited sales data was ever presented to DISC. Meanwhile 17 Elvis and 26 Beatles SINGLES releases were able to be properly audited, and achieve DISC Silver Record presentations.
The BPI started out presenting Silver, Gold and Platinum Record Awards the same way...they needed properly audited sales data before presenting Record Awards. But, in 2013..all data was automatically fed into the database, and thus precise sales figures are there. In the UK, of course, Silver is 60 000 copies, Gold is 100 000 copies, Platinum is 300 000 copies, and Multi-Platinum follows logically where Double Platinum is 600 000 copies, Triple Platinum is 900 000 copies etc.. Therefore it is some reading...
* [bpi.co.uk/award/10774-3265-2] Frank Sinatra's Songs For Swingin Lovers was GOLD as of 2013. At least 100 000 sold, but under 300 000. This is perfectly consistent with Reality. And is still at that level.
* . Another claimed "million seller", the South Pacific Soundtrack is PLATINUM. Meaning at least 300 000, but under 600 000.
* . Please Please Me was Gold. Meaning, FIFTY YEARS after it was released, it had sold at least 100 000, but under 300 000. While this is technically consistent with the Silver Record award of 1963, it's extremely improbable. Please Please Me did receive its PLATINUM award in 2020, reaching 300 000 thanks to sales-equivalent streaming.
* . With The Beatles' was GOLD" as of 2013. Meaning that fifty years after it was released, it had sold at least 100 000 copies, but under 300 000 copies. And, even with an extra decade-plus of sales and sales-equivalent streaming...it has not reached 300 000 combined sales and sales-equivalent streams. Fifty years after it received a special Gold Record for one million alleged sales, it has still failed to actually sell 30% of that figure.
* . In 2013 G.I. Blueswas ineligible for even the lowest Sales Award. But in 2024, a mere 52 years after it received a specially-made record for 250 000 alleged UK sales, it did indeed get its SILVER Record Award, finally achieving actual UK sales of 60 000 copies. Less than 1/4 of its supposed achievements by February 1962.
And, NO, these aren't just the re-releases. These are sales figures in total. Vinyl, Audiotape, Compact Discs, Laser Discs, Downloads, Sales-Equivalent Streams...and More.
And other alleged "million-selling albums", such as A Nod Is As Good As A Wink... To A Blind Horse by The Faces, haven't even reached 60 000 actual UK sales(Silver Record Award) as of 10 May 2024! 
So, did With The Beatles sell a million copies in the UK within its first 12 months? Absolutely not. 197.87.135.139 (talk) 08:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sold a million in the UK?