Talk:List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies

message: Is (or was) Yamaha truly a bicycle manufacturer, as opposed to a motorcycle manufacturer? Mecanoge (talk) 06:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yes it is --Panoramedia (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yamaha bicycle manufacturer? 

message: I figured out how to edit pages well enough to do it right, I think: Added Seattle's R+E Cycles (http://www.rodcycle.com). c3k (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added R+E Cycles (Seattle, USA) 

message: I removed the link for Var because none of the entries on the disambiguation page corresponded to a bicycle manufacturer.  From a google search, it looks like maybe they actually manufacture bicycle tools (not actual bicycles)?  Anyway, I guess a new page will have to be created if someone wants to re-link Var.
AdamMorton 00:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Var discussion and disambiguation 

message: The Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer was not listen on this page so someone needs to add a proper link that takes the user directly to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer "stub". Perhaps that was why it was not listed in the first place. I would do it myself except I do not know how to direct the link so it goes to the Mongoose Bicycle Manufacturer page instead of the Mongoose (animal) page.
: Generally speaking, the link should be "Name -Dhodges 19:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look here: Mongoose (bicycles) --Degen Earthfast (talk) 19:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongoose Bikes Not listed 

message: Ever since I bought my Privater in 1998 and now have a Single Speed modified Racelite I have wondered about the evolution of the Bontrager bicycle. 
http://www.arkansasvalley.net/bontrager/ 
is a good site to start.. 
http://www.eandsweb.com/me/bontrager/ 
has more details but is limited.. 
http://www.ridesmarter.com/archives/archive_main.htm 
from the horses mouth. 
Still a lot of un-answered questions- 
What is the differance between a OR and a Race? When did they switch from the squared off frame stickers? What about the two part seat stays? What about the front derailleur pulley? Dates and possible reasons why. Rocklobster Nontragers are made from NOS Tange Prestige from the Santa Cruz Bontrager closure. Does that mean Bontrager frames were made from Tange? I thought they were made from True Temper. What about colors? Did Race and Race Lites come in different colors? Were the colors year specific? 
I saw these posts on MTBR 
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ontrager+frame 
so I know there is a huge knowledge pool out there. 
It can be something as simple as. ***THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE*** and not meant to be accurate 
1) 1989 Bontrager cycles is born and the OR frame was made. 2) 1992 Bontrager cycles expands from one man shop to production; OR is discontinued and Race is introduced. a) Frame changes; monostay is capped; horizontal to verticle dropouts; canti hanger from pin to welded stud (functional art). 3) 1994 Frame stickers change from square to pointed; front derailleurs are changed from bottom pull (w/pulley system) to top pull. racelite is introduced. 4) 1995 Trek buys Bontrager 5) 1996 Trek introduces Privateer 
Again some of this is just made up. My hope is there are enough Bontrager aficionados out there to make this work. 
Brad Goodwin Onespeedbiker 19:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of the [[Bontrager]] bicycle frames 

message: Anyone considering adding a manufacturer to this list should keep in mind the following from the Wikipedia:Lists (stand-alone lists) guideline:
"Ideally each entry on the list should have a Wikipedia article but this is not required if it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future."
To test the reasonableness of your expectations, you may want to create the article on the manufacturer first and then add it to this list.  UnitedStatesian 18:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wikipedia "feature" of erasing the editor's record when an article gets erased sounds like a bug; has it been reported as such?  Having no record of erasure sounds contrary to the goal of quality control.  Mecanoge (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, if we are going to change the long-standing practice from only allowing entries that have their own articles, how are we going to judge whether "it is reasonable to expect an article could be forthcoming in the future?" Shall we simply allow, for example, links to the Guess disambiguation page, or must we argue each one here on the talk page? The previous criteria was simple to explain and simple to enforce. Is the alternative simply to have no policy at all? -AndrewDressel (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this list being Policed so heavily? The above quote says ideally each entry should have an article, not absolutely everyone must. I added a couple of names to the list. Thinking some one with more time and expertise might create the article or I would get around to it. Instead the changes just got undone.  It seems to me, we would be better having a list, where some of the names aren't linked than one which is missing lots of manufacturers. As mentioned previously if anyone questions a manufacturer it's easy enough to do a quick Internet search to confirm they are a manufacturer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.123.57 (talk) 22:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The quotation above is a general guideline for the entire encyclopedia. The particular rules enforced for this article were reached by consensus, and there has not yet been a compelling argument to change them. -AndrewDressel (talk) 10:48, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criterion 

message: Have a key for the types of bikes made; F= Folding, R=Road, M=mountain, P=parts, H=hybrid, R=recumbent, Rw=Rowbike, Hd=Hand Cycle ect.  Each company would have a series of symbols after the name indicating their products.  That way one list of manufactures could be used for all bicycle related articles. Geo8rge 18:57, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition to the key for types of bikes made, how about some indication (such as an asterisk) if the company no longer makes that type?  Mecanoge (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do it, be bold.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, wouldn't that make this list a tad busy and so unlike other lists?--Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: I created this page so that this list would show it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bicycle_manufacturing_companies why should Enighma Titanium Limited not be listed ? Go ahead and see the debate at Enigma Titanium Limited page or at my discussion page if they delete the page prematurely. Teemu Ruskeepää (talk) 16:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Enigma Titanium Limited]] is labeled as unaccomplished company and denied by Wikipedia 

message: and of course they would also need articles:
* Co-motion Cycles (Eugene, Oregon, USA)
* Canyon Cycles (Germany)
* Salsa Cycles (USA)
* Pegoretti (Italy)
* Kildemoes - DK http://www.kildemoes.dk/Zosma (talk) 07:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the above section Inclusion criterion  is worth a look, as is Write the Article First, the main thing is "Each entry on a list should have its own non-redirect article in English Wikipedia".  While there are exceptions, I don't see why those particular bike companies would qualify for special treatment.   It seems that it would be more useful to get a bit of a start on an article on one of those topic than just adding a redlink.  Do others agree with me?--Keithonearth (talk) 06:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: as the promoter of the inclusion criterion, I obviously wholeheartedly agree with you, KoE. UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

text: If you feel so strongly that those manufactures should be in this list, then you should not have a problem taking the time to write the necessary articles. Otherwise, the burden rests with others to confirm the suitability of each inserted link by some other means, which has already been decided by consensus to be impractical. -AndrewDressel (talk) 21:41, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some manufacturers that might be added to the list

message: I think the suggestion to merge the article and/or the list ignores the unique history and character of the French industry. The bicycle was invented by the French, as was bicycle racing, and the French bicycle industry grew up around those twin facts. To merge the French industry into a larger list would be to lose sight of the French contribution to cycling. I think the article and the lists in the article should remain as they are. Blue Order (talk) 06:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is so weird because the current bicycle history article says "The first reliable claim for a practically-used bicycle belongs to German Baron Karl von Drais, a civil servant to the Grand Duke of Baden in Germany." I know wiki articles aren't great sources, but perhaps we need to correct it, if in fact, the "bicycle was invented by the French." -AndrewDressel (talk) 13:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging French bicycle industry and/or List of French bicycle manufacturers into List of bicycle manufacturing companies

message: The question of this article is, how many of these listed there subcontract another company to make bicycles for them, such as many of these known for being car manufacturers, therefore this make them more of a bicycle brand than being a manufacturer of bicycles. An example of this is Hummer, who has a bicycle manufactured by Montague Bikes, Land Rover is another; also I doubt highly any of these German car manufacturers actually make their own bikes - hence making them a brand name of bicycles.
I'm sure if Nike and Adidas sell bicycles under their own brand, chances are very high that it will be on this list, hence the proposal to rename this list (to possibly List of bicycle manufacturing companies and brands). Donnie Park (talk) 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose renaming.  I think the better solution is to purge the list of the non-manufacturers.  I think if we add all of the brands the list would get unmanageably large, and violate the WP:SIZE guideline.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Agree to rename, makes more sense than two have two seperate lists with many of the same names. For example Trek, the largest US brand and manufacturer, who produces its own bikes but also has them made in Taiwan and China, and now possibly in Europe. --Degen Earthfast (talk) 13:31, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename proposal 

message: As a response to the above proposal, I have removed bicycle brandnames listed on that list starting with manufacturer that is notable for other things (cars), unless they had history of manufacturing it themselves. Also bracket indicates who manufactures the bicycle. I will transfer this lot and added a guide of which brand is produced by which mfr.
*Alfa Romeo (by Compagnia Ducale)
*Audi Design (by ADP Engineering)
*BMW (by BOSSBi)
*Cadillac (by Kent International)
*GMC (by Kent International)
*Ferrari (by Colnago)
*Fiat (by Compagnia Ducale)
*Hummer (by Montague Bikes)
*Honda by (Cycle Source)
*Jeep (outsourced to unnamed manufacturer)
*Kawasaki (by Cycle Source)
*Ford (by Cycle Source)
*Lincoln (by Cycle Source)
*Mercury (by Cycle Source)
*Kawasaki (by Cycle Source)
*Land Rover  (by Ultimate Cycles)
*Mercedes-Benz (by ADP Engineering)
*International (by Cycle Source)
*Porsche Design (by Votec, then Storck)
*Polaris Industries (by Cycle Source)
*Renault (by Gitanes)
*Saab (by Gary Fisher Bicycles)
*Smith & Wesson (by Cycle Source)
*Subaru (outsourced to unnamed Japanese manufacturer) )
*Tonino Lamborghini (by Kent International)
*Victory Motorcycles (by Cycle Source)
*Maserati (by Milani and Montante Cicli)
Donnie Park (talk) 13:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, we now got a list of companies including some that is more like an administrative offices (if not importers and distributors) to ask the Taiwanese/Chinese to make bikes for them. I think the line between bicycle manufacturers and bicycle brand is becoming blurred, therefore the quality of this article is doing down the pan. To conclude my comment, this list look like it is produced by somebody who know nothing about bicycle brands. Donnie Park (talk) 16:03, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of bicycle brands 

message: 74.225.54.88 (talk) 22:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Trek WSD or Terry Bikes (for women).--209.213.220.227 (talk) 13:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Terry Bikes here: --Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And Trek WSD here: --Degen Earthfast (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Because there isn't an article about Terry. -AndrewDressel (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellen Terry Bikes 

message: Since an article published by the Globe and Mail has mentioned this company(goods-2-go).Then should not goods-2-go be included? They are currently still in business. Please update recordsLite ride (talk) 15:01, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: it's there!!--Degen Earthfast (talk) 18:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, it was. Someone removed it.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 18:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: goods-2-go

message: I moved List of bicycle manufacturing companies to List of bicycle brands and manufacturing companies‎ as their seems to be some issues between the differences between brands and manufacturers. Rather than create a second list of which will largely be a duplicate of the first list, I made an all inclusive Brands and manufacturers.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: MOVED

message: Since the addition of brands into this list, this article have rapidly gone down the pan, as it has turned itself into as an edit war prone list. IMHO, I really don't know what to say other than that my only option left is to nominate it for AfD as my patience is running thin. Donnie Park (talk) 17:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about you just leave it alone. it's not just yours. Others are entitled to their opinions also. If you think there should be two separate lists for brands and manufacturers, then make one. There will be lots of overlap. Don't just quit.--Degen Earthfast (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on this current state of this list 

message: * Brennabor (Germany, also motorcycles and automobiles)
* Diamant Fahrradwerke AG (Germany, since 1885; http://www.diamant-rad.de/)
* Dürkopp (Germany, also sewing machines, motorcycles, automobiles and micro cars)
* Presta (Germany, might be inventor of Presta valve)
* MIFA Mitteldeutsche Fahrradwerke (Germany, http://www.mifa.de/)--Chief tin cloud (talk) 10:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for missing brands (some defunct) 

message: * Allright
* Bismarck (Germany)
* ESWECO
* Meister
All of them were available with Saxonette auxiliary motors by Fichtel & Sachs. --Chief tin cloud (talk) 10:37, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bicycle and/or motorcycle manufacturers? 

message: One of the best bike manufacturers in the world... http://www.ciocc.it/index.php/en/ 70.211.11.167 (talk) 21:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Write an article about them and then add them to the list. -AndrewDressel (talk) 16:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: No CIOCC listed?

message: This article could be improved by explaining what a manufacturer, brand, product line, and company each is, and how they are related.  An example might be the Delancy P. Harris Manufacturing Company (not notable) who made the Rollfast (not notable) brand of bicycles, with parts made by the Homer P. Snyder Manufacturing Company (not notable), with models such as the Hopalong Cassidy boys and girls bicycles (not notable).  Perhaps the article could also explain the close relationship between assembly and manufacture.  
I believe the statements that "brands manufacture" and "manufacturers that are brands" reflect the heart of this article's problems.  Statements such as those could be better explained as "companies that manufacture" and "companies with eponymous brands" (i.e., the brand is named after the company, rather than the brand manufacturing something).  Also, the article could be improved by listing former manufacturers that went bankrupt as defunct, even if their assets (e.g., trademark brands) may have been acquired by a receivership.  For example, Pope was reorganized into Westfield (not notable), then by Torrington Company (not notable), and then by the Modern Tool and Die Company (not notable), and then final bankruptcy in 1980's or so.  This would help explain the difference between a former American manufacturer, and a present multinational conglomerate in Canada that sells Chinese bicycles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.183.224.2 (talk) 22:55, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is a Brand versus Manufacturer? 

message: Basically what the template says, given the length of this list, would it make sense to have the defunct brands and manufacturers in their own list? 162.208.168.92 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split? 

message: There is a bicycle brand called  that is not mentioned on the list. They are also in the Cycleurope Organisation. Fazzy007 (talk) 08:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What of it? They are already listed here as being part of Cycleuropa Group, and there is no article for the Kildemoes  brand so they don't get listed separately. Meters (talk) 20:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kildemoes brand