Talk:Begotten (film)

message: After a (premature) attempt to get this article to Featured status, there are tasks that need to be accomplished before another FA nomination will occur. The following is a list of issues pointed out by the FA reviewers, and need to be fixed:
* General paraphrasing issues found throughout the article.
* As one reviewer pointed out: "At JSTOR: From Film Comment, we have a 1991 review, a 2000 article by Michael Atkinson (mostly about Merhige's next film but with some good stuff about Begotten), inclusion in the Jan.–Feb. 2001 list of "Top 10 DVD Picks". From Cineaste, there's a review of Shadow of the Vampire that mentions Begotten only in passing; probably the only decent tidbit is a comparison of the film to Samuel Beckett, just another for the pile." - Added
* Verifying and replacing sources deemed unreliable.
* Find a reliable source to cite for Din of Celestial Birds plot.
--Paleface Jack (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Article Preparations 

message: Since this last week or so, horror magazine Fangoria has published an article on Merhige recently with mentions of Begotten in it. I would add the information in it but I do not have access to the magazine so if any who does or can feel free to let me know. Paleface Jack (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New source 

message: I have been working sporadically on getting this article up to pass FA status for a while now. at the moment I am having trouble finding an appropriate and FA worthy image on Merhige cause visually it seems better to include on in the development section of the article though I cannot be entirely certain. Any help/advice on this and in regards to sources would be appreciated. Paleface Jack (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: * The film, described as "a gnostic creation myth", incorporates several different genres, including fantasy and science fiction in the series' typically grainy, black-and-white visual style - "the film" and then "the series". Described by whom
::Added particulars
*Why did they decide on making it silent, and related...we need more on its visual style and influences Ceoil (talk) 23:57, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Merhige Wrote: "With Begotten, I was working with a lot of actors and artists at the time, and I had a small theatre company in New York. And we were doing a lot of experimental theatre. And it was the sort of thing where I had envisioned Begotten".--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That still doesn't explain why "after working on several theater productions" is different to "he began development work on a theater production". ie, having made several films, I made a film. Ceoil (talk) 02:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Ceoil yeah. I am kinda stumped on that, then again I am drained rn. any suggestions? Paleface Jack (talk) 03:00, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Reword it to essentially after producing several theatre productions he began to develop his own original theatre piece. Paleface Jack (talk) 17:23, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Expanded.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd reword the term "fine art", with painters, graphic artists and silent film cinematographers, and add many more, esp wrt to silent film. Surely critics have established the influence of Nosferatu the Vampyre; an earlier but modern film produced in the silent film style. And thats just scratching the surface, considering how rich the visual style is; undoubtedly he drew form many many sources. Ceoil (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Ceoil well he did direct Shadow of a Vampire but all the stuff I see, they really don't touch on these things and tend to focus on that film. Paleface Jack (talk) 03:01, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Influences were found on many portions of the film such as the visuals to the development of the film, which were added accordingly. Paleface Jack (talk) 03:29, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Where do you suggest?--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Done Paleface Jack (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

text: That Piece can be reworded, so implied stuff are comfirmed.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Thanks. Found information that will prove useful when expanding the article on Merhige later on.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

text: not bad, considering I am doing these edits on 50% mental capacity, with a twitchy eye and allergies that won't leave me alone for the past 5 days. Paleface Jack (talk) 02:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: FAC suggestions