Talk:Citizen journalism

message: I moved this article here from "participatory journalism" because the term "citizen journalism" seems to be somewhat more common. Just now I did Google searches for the terms "public journalism" (34,700 hits), "participatory journalism" (31,600 hits) and "citizen journalism" (45,000 hits). I see that there is a separate article for "public journalism" on Wikipedia. Since that article's content is very similar to the content of this article, I'll fold it into this one and leave a redirect. --Sheldon Rampton 19:34, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I'd like to second the original suggestion that perhaps this needs to be two articles. "Public" or "civic" journalism -- meaning that civic-values infused brand of political journalism -- is a very different thing than "citizen journalism," even if the two are maybe (only maybe!) converging. This comes up for me because I just recently created a stub on Buzz Merritt, who's considered one of the fathers of public/civic journalism, and the term "public journalism" is linked -- but it redirects here, to an article that starts off talking about journalism by non-journalists, with which Buzz Merritt has nothing to do. Would there be any objection to dividing these articles? Or maybe just duplicating the relevant portions of this article under the heading "public journalism"? Could also do it under "civic journalism" and turn "public journalism" into a disambiguation page. Lobosolo 02:43, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reopen the debate? 

message: I removed the following statement:
"A more critical definition of civic journalism describes it as a deliberate effort by social-activist journalists to structure their reporting so as to elicit the desired reader reaction, by emphasizing those parts of the story which fit their ideological template and ignoring facts and quotations which don't. Thus, a story on local schools might include the Superintendent's pre-bond-vote statement that "we're terribly overcrowded" but would exclude readily available data from a State Education Department showing capacity exceeding enrollments."
This statement needs a reference or source. Dr. Cash 00:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced material

message: This is a great page.  I think we'll be hearing a lot more about citizen journalism in the not so distant future, especially as students, academics, and people in general begin to debunk the "objectivity myth" in mainstream journalism.  This is what has been going on within different subcultures for years, perhaps not initiated by, but certainly fueled by, Jello Biafra's call to "Become the Media".  The importance of doing so extends well beyond the punk rock scene.  In the last few years we have seen that we can get a copy of IMC's newspapers in almost every major city we visit and we can see what other citizen journalists are doing and witnessing around the world.  In fact, in many instances, I have found myself cross referencing articles from independent media sources with mainstream publications to get a feel of what the "real story" is.
One of the groups we should look out for is Common Language Project (www.commonlanguageproject.net).  This would be a useful link to the CJ page of Wikipedia.  They are citizen journalists who have taken to globetrotting in order to find stories that the mainstream doesn't print, from places that are either underreported or only reported in a neagative sense.  Much of what they report is about small, extra-institutional and participaory grassroots work going on in places most of America sees as "backwards" or "dangerous".  Their website is slowly becoming a source for people who want to know what is going on in underreported areas as well as a place for "citizen journalists" to write about things they've seen and experienced that don't seem to be getting any media attention.  It's up and coming, they are very committed to their mission.  Check them out, maybe post an external link.  I'm sure lots of Wikipedi-ites would have something to contribute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.45.67.209 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  important link 

message: The following article: 
...links it's reference to "citizen journalism" to this page. Should this be noted on the top of the Talk page? 63.21.87.57 15:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a template for adding information about when a media source cites a wiki article to the talk page (onlinesource2004, but this is specific for 2004, not the current year. Not sure why it's just for that year? Dr. Cash 18:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cited in Wired.com article

message: Yesterday, a link was added to GroundReport. This new article appears to be spam advertising a run-of-the-mill commercial blog site funded by advertisements, with a future launch date!', and is in violation of Wikipedia policy against advertising.  Please see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/GroundReport. --Bhuston 12:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted Spam 

message: Added Grubisich follow-up article. Should have talked about it first here? If so, I apologize. I'm still learning the ropes, so to speak. Thanks. --Kpaul.mallasch 21:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Grubisich Follow-up

message: I added more information expanding on what is meant by citizen journalism.  The information can, and probably should, be integrated into the rest of the article with some minor restructuring.  As this is the first change I've made, I didn't want to muck around with an article that is already very good.  Please feel free to chop up what I added and move it in the correct places. --Finious 04:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your information is excellent.  Instead of referring to youtube.com you should refer to the youtube article in Wikipedia.  Your many web references are excellent and if you put them (or someone else) in cite web template format all the better.  You can see examples in the article.  Anyways, thanks.  This article is important. -BiancaOfHell 07:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the helpful advice.  This is my first contribution, so I am still learning.  I'll go through and correct the citations (unless someone else beats me to it). --Finious 21:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Section on What is Citizen Journalism

message: As a natural follow-up to the preceding discussion, it appeared to me that a brief discussion of the legal implications of citizen journalism would be  appropriate.
Bob Casale 15:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, good addition.  It's unsourced but this article is accumulating facts at the moment.  Eventually someone will probably fix her up.-BiancaOfHell 15:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added section entitled legal implications 

message: Someone proposed in January 2007 that Social news be merged into this article. There seems to have been no subsequent discussion and nobody has carried out the merger. I've now removed the mergefrom-template since I don't agree with the idea and the proposal seems to be stillborn. — Ksero 07:32, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger 

message: I have not read the entire article, but the following paragraph jumped out at me:
: "The time is fast approaching when these legal lines will have to be drawn. In recent times, bloggers have broken too many stories of national interest that mainstream media either overlooked, or decided against reporting, not to be considered legitimate news gatherers and reporters."
This is clearly opinion and not fact (however much I may agree). It needs a good rewrite (or removal) - dcljr (talk) 05:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinion 

message: I see that the term "citizen journalism" has become common, is now much more popular than "public journalism." Some (many I know) writers and bloggers are expatriates, ergo not "citizens"  of the country where they live. Does anyone know if and how this point has been addressed? cheers RomaC (talk) 08:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizen vs Public 

message: I've been discussing this comparison with some others, and where I see a clear distinction (apples and oranges, you could say) they see two of the same fruit. Where citizen journalism takes place whenever a individual reports or expresses a journalistic opinion (blogs, youtube, CNN's iReport), democratic journalism involves the public taking in verifiable sources and ranking them by importance or interest (ala Fark, Digg, etc.). Does citizen journalism (as defined on this page) cover both interpretations, or is democratic journalism a different fruit? Justin401 (talk) 19:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks Like the same fruit to me. There may not be a big difference. If all democratic journalists do is rank pages, then they also engage in what citizen journalists do as part of their activities. I think the Democratic journalism page needs a better definition if you ask me, and it needs better examples. The Concept is fuzzy. Morgonio (talk) 06:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Different fruit. A citizen journalist engages in journalism, at whatever level of effectiveness, bias, or proficiency. A democratic journalist primarily engages in voting, and almost exclusively in approval voting at that. Furthermore, democratic journalism is highly susceptible to bias attacks, so as a class is highly suspect. - Amgine (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizen journalism vs. democratic journalism. 

message: Check the History paragraph: Sunday Oliseh? The football player?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.97.35.71 (talk) 01:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Are you sure?

message: after performing copy edits.
Khballin (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed CE tag... 

message: What are people's thoughts on shortening/tightening up the article's intro section? It's too long and overwhelms the reader before they have a chance to explore the rest of the article. Perhaps some of the content could be moved to other sections? Jodayagi (talk) 17:13, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a "long" intro is justified in this case, as this is a sensitive concept. It's important to present definition and pros-cons postures right from the beginning, as it is. Actually, I think the article quality is quite high in general (47 references!), somebody could remove the "multiple issues" template.--Floit (talk) 08:06, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article structure 

message: Vincent Campbell (2015) Theorizing Citizenship in Citizen Journalism, Digital Journalism, 3:5, 704-719, DOI: 10.1080/21670811.2014.937150
 Melissa Wall (2015) Citizen Journalism, Digital Journalism, 3:6, 797-813, DOI:10.1080/21670811.2014.1002513
Frmjenn (talk) 16:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  References to articles that discuss citizen journalism 

message: Hi everyone, 
I wanted to add to the criticisms of citizen journalism. Specifically, I wanted to include some information I have on this subject regarding the amount of work that traditional journalist are having to conduct in order to compete with citizen journalism. I think this topic would be beneficial to add to this article as is makes a connection with traditional journalism and citizen journalism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicholeC (talk • contribs) 19:12, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a section on the affects citizen journalism has had on traditional journalism  

message: The concept of citizen journalism has changed over time and with the technological improvements, the world is always making, this concept is always going to be dynamic. Tying into the history of citizen journalism, this section could discuss how the concept has changed over time with the introduction of technologies such as smartphones, the internet and social media platforms that exist on these. To remain objective to the topic, this section could refer to Natalie Fentons article, Allan, Stuart, and Natalie Fenton. The Routledge Companion To News And Journalism. 1st ed. London: Routledge, 2012. Print. This article identifies the positives, "Reinvigorated Democracy" and negatives, "Depression of Democracy, of citizen journalism. Another area this section could touch on is where the future is headed with citizen journalism and what foreseeable changes could happen due to current technological trends, (example:  Virtual Reality). ItsJodach96 (talk) 23:20, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a section of Technological Impacts on Citizen Journalism 

message: These are some of the sources I was thinking of using the advance this article. 
Fenton, N. "News in the Digital Age," in Routledge Companion to News & Journalism, Pages-557-567
Harcup--Alternative Journalism as Active Citizenship  — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicholeC (talk • contribs) 23:50, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

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message: Here's some thoughts as to how the entire article ought to be recast.
Journalism is a profession, a vocation founded upon specialized educational training. Becoming a "citizen journalist" is a matter of mimicking some aspects of what a journalist does. There is no training, let alone formal education.
The term citizen journalist has as much validity as (for example) citizen surgeon or citizen police officer. That is to say, someone who simply dons the mantle and begins practicing may indeed have necessary fundamental skills AND demonstrate the ability to learn from practice (essentially self-teaching) without causing generalized mayhem… but someone who wants their hernia repaired (or their stolen car recovered) is likely best advised to instead consult a trained (and licensed) professional.
Furthermore, a profession will supply disinterested objective counsel and service to others, for a direct and definite compensation, wholly apart from expectation of other business gain. It's apparently quite common that a "citizen journalist" carefully cherry-picks facts to confirm a preexisting bias, and not unusually adds a significant portion of empty conjecture with little effort at seeking objective proof. 
As well, exceedingly few CJs earn an income from their writings (much less hope to make a living), so aren't putting themselves at any sort of risk. Overall, CJs have no ethical standard to which they must hew, no editorial oversight to restrain them, and no paycheck or career to offer up as proof of good faith in a legal and a moral sense.
Anyone can be (or at least attempt to be) a writer (largely an avocation), and anyone who can write can certainly hope to become established as an essayist or critic or reviewer. However, none of those courses is inherently journalism. Weeb Dingle (talk) 11:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term is the problem 

message: Citizen and public journalism are not the same thing. Public journalism is more conceptual and citizen journalism is more practical and it is misleading that "Citizen journalism (AKA public journalism..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewtay (talk • contribs) 05:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: AKA

message: An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect :Independent journalism and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 June 7#Independent journalism until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  QueenofBithynia (talk) 10:27, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Independent journalism" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: — Assignment last updated by CommDocBDS (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Communication Studies - 2

message: Since Govts have always kept control on public debate and the free flow of dis-information, it is interesting that they are now allowing the term 'Citizen Journalism' to become main-stream. Are they willing to let everyone have their say - or are there other issues at play? For while anyone in the US and UK attempting to highlight important national issues are often locked out, in nations that the Washington and London are hostile towards, citizen reporters need little hard evidence to push an anti-Govt agendas. Is not this an issue that could form a section on Citizen 'Journalism' and the control of information?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.103.104 (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:   'Journalists' or agenda setters?