Talk:Antonio Negri

message: Perhaps a "brief" academic career, but I suspect "career" here is a mistranslation.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris k (talk • contribs) 19:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "He had a quick academic career"

message: I recently tagged the final sections of the article—those providing bibliographic information on books and articles by and about Negri—as needing cleanup.  I don't have the time myself to take this on right now, although I'll try to get to it soon if nobody else has time either.  Specifically, these sections need, in my opinion, to be revised in the following ways:
*Style and content of entries should be consistent throughout all entries, in all the bibliographic sections.  In other words, we should agree whether to separate bibliographic items (author, title, publisher, etc.) by commas or periods, whether to list the place of publication as well as the publisher, etc.  
*ISBNs should be added wherever appropriate in order to honor the Wikipedia convention of providing library-style links to resources.  (There's probably an official name for this convention, but I can't recall it right now—sorry.)  
As I said, I'll try to get started on this soon, but as I'm a graduate student and the end of the semester is rapidly approaching, time is at a premium for me right now.  Job L 18:22, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bibliographic entries

message: References needed for the quotes:
--from Michel Foucault, "isn't he in jail simply for being an intellectual?" 
--from John Reilly, "a postmodern plot to overthrow the City of God."  
Steven McCrary 16:51, July 14, 2005 (UTC)
Toni Negri is operating on too high an intellectual level for labels like "postmodernism" to be relevant (certainly the influence of Foucault on his work is far too complicated for it to be a question of 'being postmodern,' whatever that means, or not. Does anyone have a source for his 'dismissal of postmodernism'? Mgasner 06:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References for quotations

message: I notice that someone (unfortunately, an unregistered user who gave no explanation for his or her editorial decision) has recently deleted the link to the "critical interview" with Negri published in the London Independent.  Although I for one consider that interview to be in no way a fair assessment of Negri's work, I'm not sure that it deserves to be cut from the article.  Any thoughts?  Job L 06:25, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of link to London Independent interview 

message: Needs to be rewritten and cleaned up. Will see what I can do. --Valve 07:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: update: Should be a bit better now that I have cleaned it up, albeit slightly. Still needs a ton of work.
I don't like the tone of this article. It is so laudatory that it could have been written By Mr Negri himself.
The article fails to give a clear idea about the charges held against Negri, about the climate of violence instigated by "Autonomia" in Italian society, and at Padova University in particular, and Negri's responsibilities in this regard.
The article does not explain why Negri was condemned to 17 years' imprisonment, and tries to give the impression that he was simply persecuted for being "an intellectual".giordaano212.190.74.28 15:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  horribly written 

message: I see no note in the entry about how Negri pleaded in the charges against him. Did he admit any culpability? --Dialecticas 05:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did he plead? 

message: I have just tagged a statement that alludes rather vaguely to some critiques of Empire.  The sentence needs to cite sources and, even better, to provide examples of the "activists and scholars" who critique the work.  As the sentence stands right now, it implies that most or even all of the activists and scholars under question unanimously criticize Hardt and Negri.  I can't speak for the activists that the sentence names, but as a scholar working in globalization studies I can attest that academics are by no stretch of the imagination universally dismissive of Hardt and Negri.  On the contrary, although they are also not universally lauded, Hardt and Negri's Empire stands as a watershed event for critical globalization studies, at least within English departments and related fields.  Job L 01:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Critiques of ''Empire''

message: Antonio Negri is considered, by a good part of the Italian political establishment and culture, as the prototype of the "cattivi maestri" (evil schoolmasters), i.e. those who, while not personally indulging in violent acts, encouraged and helped organizing the extreme left wing's recourse to political violence in the 60ies-70ies in Italy. 
On a smaller scale,Padova University, and his University Institute in particular, became notorious for the rampages of "Autonomia", the beatings (including of Professors) and a general climate of violence and insecurity.
There is little or no trace of this in this article, which gives simply the impression that Negri was wrongly persecuted, for reasons difficult to explain (for being an intellectual - as Foucault apparently said ?)Giordaano 16:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please abstain yourself from claiming you know what I think, that would be so nice. I have reverted your edits, because you mixed them with removal of text which is unacceptable. Tazmaniacs
This Mr Giordaano seems to be just soaked with all the propaganda that was broadcast by the Italian media in the late 1970s and early 1980s and then re-used by the Italian right after Tangentopoli (1993)... Actually Negri never killed anyone nor was a member of any of the most famous leftist terrorist organizations, such as the Brigate Rosse. Negri was chosen as a scapegoat in 1979 in a moment when the Italian government seemed unable to meaningfully strike the Red Brigades after the assassination of Aldo Moro. I don't want to deny that there was a big problem of terrorism in Italy (both red and black, let's add), but targeting Negri and other Autonomia Operaia leaders can be now seen as no more than setting an example. But Mr Giordaano probably believes the old and new disinformation. All this blabbering about Evil Teachers (cattivi maestri) is absolutely ludicrous, and smell of the old Catholic frame of mind, which can't come to terms with the idea of freedom of speech and opinion... the Inquisition is still there, in the mind of those people. One might also add that many Brigate Rosse members, who actually killed people, are out of jail now, having acted as stool pigeons, and nobody talks about them, while Negri is still presented as the political bugbear by the Italian right (Forza Italia, Lega, Alleanza Nazionale).--213.140.21.227 (talk) 12:05, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unbalanced

message: 1) I've changed the title of Autonomia to it's full name and translation - Autonomia Operaia Organizzata (Organised Workers' Autonomy), although there are a number of variations of this name, including Workers' Autonomy and Working-class Autonomy, and I've swapped the word 'group' for 'movement' (see below).
2) I strongly agree with the comment suggesting that the reference to Negri et al as 
"leaders" of the Aut.Op movement is misleading. This isn't simply a matter of opinion, but was an important point raised during the trial. The assertion of the prosecution was indeed that Negri and others arrested at the time constituted a form of leadership for the Aut.Op movement, whilst the response of the defence was that this was contradictory to its diffuse, composite nature (a view supported by Padova Committals Judge Palombarini). Therefore, to refer to Negri and others as "leaders" is to treat the original prosecution assertions as established fact. On this basis I've changed the article to read "along with other prominent figures associated with the Autonomy movement".
3) I've changed the names of those arrested to their full names, and added a few that were not included.
The article wrongly states that Franco Piperno was arrested during these initial arrests, thus his name has been removed. (My source for this information is a publication prepared during the earlier portion of the trials by the Italy '79 Committee and The Committee Against Repression in Italy.)
4) As the article says, the first judge assigned to the case was Pietro Calogero. I've altered this to his full title, Padova Public Prosecutor Dr. Pietro Calogero. The article also states that Calogero was "close to the PCI" - I've altered this to "who was close to the Affairs of State office of the PCI, which was involved in power-sharing in government at the time in an arrangement known as "The Historic Compromise")." I think this makes better sense of the reference to the PCI.
5) I've altered the phrase regarding Calogero's accustations to read "accused those involved in the Autonomia movement of being the political wing of the Red Brigades and thus behind left-wing "terrorism" in Italy," because I think this is a more accurate description of the charges brought against Negri and others, (according to the above cited document).
6) I've capitalised the title "Anni di Piombo" and changed the translation to 'Years of Lead', since this is the translation most commonly used in all the documentation I've seen (as well as the fact that this is a more literal translation). This needs to link to the pertinent Wikipedia entry, but I don't know how to do this. 
7) With regard to the above comments suggesting that the article is unfairly favourable to Negri, and the attendant criticisms, some sources need to be cited to support this view and any related assertions. (It is true that Negri was widely attacked by the Italian press and media, a point in fact raised by some material, with the counter-criticism that the press, as well as being predisposed to negative views of figures proclaiming revolutionary objectives, was influenced by either the PCI or the P2 lodge.) On this basis it might then be possible to include a section of criticisms. In short, if you believe the article omits pertinent facts, provide them along with direct citations of sources.
8) With regard to the query concerning Negri's plea, the obvious question is "To which 
charges?" The nature of the trials surrounding Negri and others arrested at the time was long-winded and protracted, with charges often being dropped, reinstated, and replaced with alternatives over the entire period from 1979 until the late 1980s, with this, along with the sheer period of time for which suspects could and were being held without trial, being one of the 'irregularities' to which Amnesty's attention had been drawn. During this entire period the range of charges against Negri included: constituting strategic leadership of the Red Brigades, direct participation in the killing of Aldo Moro, (at one point it was claimed that the voice in a phone call from kidnappers during the Moro crisis was that of Negri), that Potere Operaio constituted an 'armed band', formal leadership of Autonomia Operaia Organizzata, which it was claimed functioned as the 'political wing' of the Red Brigades, and 'armed insurrection against the powers of the state'. In addition, the defendants arrested in 
April 1979 were accused of the theft of one painting, the theft of a pistol, embezzlement of a 50,000 lire note, theft of a collection of stamps, theft of cars and receiving stolen goods, and involvement in four bombings in Rome in 1972, and a fire at a warehouse in Milan in 1974. 
As far as I can gather from documents I obtained a few years ago from a site dedicated to gaining amnesty for Negri, Negri was ultimately convicted in absentia of one charge, and he appealed against the charges. Negri and co-defendants were ultimately acquitted (in the case of Negri, in absentia) of the charges of 'armed insurrection against the powers of the state', (this article refers to this charge as 'association and insurrection against the state'), whilst Negri's final sentence, the one which he returned to Italy to serve the remainder of, was, apparently, 13 years for 'membership in an armed band' (although this article says 17 years and doesn't state the final charge). 
9) Finally, I added a reference to an extract from Empire at Marxists.org to the links to articles by Negri.
As a footnote, I am in possession of the digitised text of a document prepared and 
circulated by The Italy '79 Committee (London) and the Committee Against Repression in 
Italy (New York) with the aim of generating awareness of and support for those arrested and awaiting trial at the time. If a more experienced user (since I don't know how) could take reciept of the text and submit it to Wikisource, it would make a valuable addition in this context, because it essentially details the complex affair from the defense point of view, at least during the earlier portion of the trials. If anyone is interested in doing this, please e-mail me LSmok3@gmail.com. LSmok3 23:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Modifications

message: I've expanded the reference to Amnesty International's interest in the case
so that it specifies some of their concerns, and added a reference to the relevent Amnesty Reports. 
Also added a couple of pertinent quotes, although I got them from extracts from the book in question and therefore lack the relevant page numbers. 
With regard to the above suggestion regarding the bibliography, I've cleared up the section covering books on Negri and the external links, italicising the titles and moving the years of publication to the end. Personally I've never seen a bibliography that lists years of publication first, but if anyone seriously disgrees they're welcome to move them back to the start. This also matches the Books in English and Articles sections. 
With regard to providing an ISBN library ref. for the titles, I don't know how to do this, but if the titles in question are still in print it should be easy to accomplish using Google or Amazon.
On the same subject, I was wondering why the bibliography only lists titles by Negri in English? The majority of Negri's published output is in Italian or French. Again, looking at the Wikipedia entry for Autonomism, it might be fairer to expand this to include non-Enlgish texts, with the language of the text listed before the title. I have a full definitive list of publications by Negri up until about 1999 if that helps.LSmok3 23:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additional

message: I took out the "although" that preceded this: 
"He acknowledges the influence of Michel Foucault, David Harvey's The Condition of Postmodernity (1989), Fredric Jameson's Postmodernism or the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) and Gilles Deleuze & Felix Guattari's Capitalism and Schizophrenia."
The implication was that "even though" he was influenced by Foucault, Harvey, Jameson, and Deleuze, he was a fierce critic of postmodernism nonetheless.
But none of these authors are "postmodernists" either.  
Rholifi 04:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negri and postmodernism 

message: It's been some time since I last looked at this page. All seems in order with comparatively little in the way of major changes. However, there is clearly an issue with regard to the proper use of inline citations; most of the major body of the text lacks any citations at all, and for some bizarre reason refs 7 to 22 are all gathered together near the end of the Political Thought and Writings section, although it is not remotely clear why. I took a look at the history of the page edits but was unable to discern who was responsble for the refs ending up collected together like this, or when. Clearly something needs to be done about this, all the more so since the article is in the Bio. of Living Persons cat. This would entail citing the general content properly (ie. revising the content with proper citations), as well as providing meaningful content to reflect the refs that have been jammed on to the end of one section (a reading of the sentence in question fails to provide real clues as to the relevance of the references). I don't have time to do it myself right now, but perhaps a regular contributor wouldn't mind taking a look at the problem? LSmok3 (talk) 16:29, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What precisely needs to be done to clean that up. I noticed it, too. That cluster of references is highly conspicuous.--Zujine (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline citations/references 

message: Yes, we all criticize, but no one has time to amend this sorry article. In Italian, we say "armiamoci e partite" (let's take up arms, so you can go to war)
Of course, this attitude (of which I am as guilty as everyone else) is perfectly at its place, on a page dedicated to Toni Negri.Giordaano (talk) 15:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, one thing occurs to me is the difference in how Negri's actions and trial are discussed in the article and how they are discussed here: http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=9048. It takes Keith Windschuttle far less words to give a much clearer narrative of what happened. I will update the article to more closely reflect this explanation. —Zujine|talk 03:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No one has time 

message: Here are some articles that may be referred to. If people have others, that would be great too. —Zujine|talk 14:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources to refer to

message: I removed all these from the article. They're here for whoever cares to make use of them. —Zujine|talk 14:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Because they were just in a big long line. They were not used for their information, but just sitting there. If someone wants to incorporate some of the information found on those links, they can go right ahead. I will do that too, in time. I just didn't think it looked good having a long string of references for no reason. —Zujine|talk 06:12, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unused refs here for reference 

message: Factory of Strategy, 33 lessons on lenin missing?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.44.38.174 (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing book 

message: Substituted at 08:02, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Why is this page linked to the IWW category (Category:Industrial Workers of the World)? Shouldn't this be removed? Besides some mention of the IWW in his works, there isn't a clear connection between Negri and the organization to my knowledge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyvandernaald (talk • contribs) 14:17, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial Workers of the World? 

message: I'm not sure how Negri got included in :Category:Catholic socialists, :Category:Italian Christian socialists, and Template:Social Christianity, but Antonio Negri does not identify as a Christian and rejects any transcendent power. I am removing him from these Categories and template. Sondra.kinsey (talk) 17:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Christian 

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message: The intro should report his criminal record, not "water it down with "was accused" after dedicaing time to a book he wrote  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C00:2A1A:7700:AD0E:DC8C:A149:6BC (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: the criminal record is downplayed

message: In the article it talks about Negri's conviction for alleged involvement with the Red Brigades, but what was the actual evidence of his involvement and/or pro-Red Brigades statements that he is alleged to have made? (t · c) buidhe 15:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was the evidence?