Talk:Hedwig of Silesia

message: Can somebody give reference for that ? Is she the patron of Poles declared subhumans end expelled by Germany to be exterminated as a nation, or to Germans who fled or were moved by the Allies to Germany post-war ? Or both of them(that would be strange). Is there any reference confirming this ?
--Molobo (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She is Schutzheilige or Landespatronin of Schlesien and of the Schlesier, no matter where they live currently, like in Andechs, Bavaria, were relics of her are kept. There is already a Further reading book stating that in its title, stop demanding references for the seven century old obvious. You are proving once again that Poles have no clue about the countries they, by the grace of St. alin, occupy since 1945. -- Matthead discuß!     O       13:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In other words, you have no reference for that, only WP:OR of yours? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  05:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, PP, for proving my point once again: No clue. You were missing that I already twice had given sources   about the blatant obvious fact that the Schlesier which have been expelled about 60 years ago by communist, nationalist and Catholic Poles still consider her as patron saint, just like in the 700 years at home in Silesia. An awful lot of ignorance is required to regard a 700 year old tradition as "original research". -- Matthead  DisOuß   07:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try to familiarize yourself with the concept of inline citations. Once again, I ask you: which of your refs states clearly that this person is a saint of Silesian expellees? Please provide relevant quotation here.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  09:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PP, be warned. You ongoing edit and move warring is unacceptable. -- Matthead  DisOuß   12:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text: That she is a patron of Silesians is not disputable. That emmigrants (or refugees) built churches dedicated to Saints from regions they came from is common (just look around US). But to stress the 'expelles' part is simply WP:UNDUE; not to mention incorrect - is she not a patron of the Silesians who emmigrated, or those who still live in Silesia (part of which is in modern Germany, too)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That she is patron of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and Germans that make out the population of Silesia and had in the past is of course correct. I don't think that Catholic Church  or any other had degreed that only German expelles are Silesians while Polish population expelled as subhumans by German state in 1939-1945 from Silesia (circa 80.000 IIRC) in it quest to exterminate whole nations is not.  The information that Germans who were transfered  after the lost war transfered consider her a patron is already contained in the text, however I don't think Poles declared subhumans and ethnicly cleansed by Germany in 1939-1945 don't hold special services to her as far as I know, so the general text about Silesians seems OR. --Molobo (talk) 18:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Is she less revered by non-German Silesians? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  06:35, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no idea. Hedwig was of course always admired for her kindness, her faith, her humility and so on. That's what made her a saint and special to all Silesians (Germans, Poles and Czechs). But to German Silesians she was significant as a patron of the Ostsiedlung too, something which was less important to Czechs and Poles. So, to German Silesians she was both a saint and a symbol for their own history. Karasek (talk) 09:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patron of the expelled Silesians ? 

message: *"Hedwig of Andechs" - 44 raw results . But excluding LLC Wikipedia mirrors and Mobilereference (see here) Wikipedia reprints, the actual number is 13 (+1 German language source)
*"Saint Hedwig of Silesia" - 34 raw results , but 1 is from Mobilereference and 6 others are either duplicates or in foreign languge. So 27.
*Jadwiga of Silesia - 30 raw results  and all of them legitimate. So 30.
*Hedwig of Silesia - 189 raw hits .  Now there is some repetition and some foreign language sources included in those hits but a spot check indicates that they are not nearly numerous enough to make 189 into "less than 30".
Hence the name of the article should be either "Jadwiga of Silesia" or "Hedwig of Silesia". The second name does appear to be more common.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name