Talk:Shogi variant

message: To truly dimensionalize the shogi game you need to put ANOTHER board of the same size (9x9) over or under the original game itself. Also the original rules need to be kept in place. [This is what has been done at rules for 2 boards]. This gives those who think it is to difficult to play on a 3-D board, a chance to try it out.--Paul 21:07, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: I asked about the discrepancies in promotion on the Japanese Tai shogi talk page, and got this reponse,
:諸象戯図式や象棋六種之図式から正確なところを知ることができるように思われますが、両方とも江戸時代の書籍で、現在入手可能かどうか不明です。
:『象棋六種之図式』を複写した『雑藝叢書』がありますが、絶版になっています（図書館では閲覧できる可能性あり）。『ものと人間の文化史 23 将棋』() は現在でも入手可能なので、こちらの記述を参考にするのがよいかもしれません。--Tamago915 2005年10月4日 (火) 14:13 (UTC)
A rough translation is,
:I'd think that you could get accurate info from 諸象戯図式 Various Elephant Game Plans or 象棋六種之図式 Plans for 6 Elephant Chess variants, but both are Edo-era publications, and it's not clear where you could get them today.
:象棋六種之図式 is reproduced in 雑藝叢書 Misc. Arts Library, but this is out of print. (You might be able to find it at a library.) Because ものと人間の文化史 23 将棋 A Cultural History of People and Things, 23 Shogi () can still be obtained today, it might be a good idea to check its description.
kwami 21:52, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  discrepancies 

message: Hi, should anything be done about making pages for Nana shogi, Gufuu Shogi, and Bushi Shogi? OneWeirdDude (talk) 21:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Bushi Shogi really isn't shogi at all. TensaiKashou (talk) 20:16, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, neither is hasami shogi, when you think about it.  OneWeirdDude (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

text: I've seen programs that play Nana among other variants, so I'll make the page myself soon if you don't first.  In an attempt to save you any trouble, I'll try to save frequently on the wiki page.  OneWeirdDude (talk) 20:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tiny variants 

message: I think we should make a counterpart to the list of shogi pieces (ja:将棋類の駒の一覧) on en:wiki, including diagrams. TensaiKashou (talk) 19:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of shogi pieces 

message: SDIN has chu and dai shogi, but if you are out for the fire and blood of tenjiku, you can get it here (no computer opponent, though, so you'll have to find a willing partner). They have all the historical variants that we mention, except ko. Double sharp (talk) 15:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: (Although SDIN is beatable by even a patzer like me at the highest level, provided I remember not to hang pieces with wild abandon, so good players may want to look at HaChu by H.G.Muller.) Double sharp (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  For the diehards who want to play 

message: #Heian (8×8), Heian dai (13×13): historical early versions of sho and dai
#Sho (9×9), chu (12×12), dai (15×15), tenjiku (16×16): the ones with pretty well-known rules, and with promotion zones
#Dai-dai (17×17), maka-dai-dai (19×19), tai (25×25): the ones with murky rules (without a definitive version), and with promotion by capture
#Taikyoku (36×36): almost unrelated with its different moves, like the ones below
#Tori (7×7)
#Wa (11×11)
#Ko (19×19)
#The modern game (9×9).
Classes 2, 5, 6, and 8 IMHO are the most worth playing, though maka-dai-dai in class 3 and ko in class 7 both contain interesting ideas that should be rescued in a smaller game. Double sharp (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. If you've only got time for two, stick to chu and tenjiku. Those two share a lot and it is actually possible to memorise the initial setup and rules for them. (Dai is similar, but really? It's so boring. Chu is the evolution of dai.) Double sharp (talk) 15:55, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classification of the historical variants 

message: http://www.chushogi-renmei.com/koramu/EX1.htm gives a review of the pieces used in Japanese. (Though they appear to use modernised rules for maka-dai-dai, insofar as they can be said to exist.) Double sharp (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is, in fact, part of a series of articles on the history of shogi from the website of the Japanese Chu Shogi Association, which may be read here in Japanese. Double sharp (talk) 14:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Japanese source 

message: In the section about large variants, it says The most recent large board variant is ko shogi which is very confusing, as the table right above it says it's invented in the late 17 century, and the other entry in that table, Okisaki shogi, was invented in 1996. Which postdates the invention of Ko shogi by 3 centuries in my book. Either the statement is plain wrong, the table is wrong, or this statement needs further explanation. 62.216.5.216 (talk) 15:43, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If a variant is so old that its inventor is unclear or unknown, it's categorized into historical variant, otherwise modern variant. Ko shogi was invented by Ogyū_Sorai and has not much to do with any historical variants. Therefore, it is considered to be a modern variant. However, since Ko shogi has lots of unique features, it would be better not to think it is a shogi variant. SmartAlice (talk) 05:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ko Shogi 

message: Hi, is uke-shogi noteworthy? I found it on a list of card games, definitely shogi-related, if only perhaps remote. OneWeirdDude (talk) 02:58, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uke-shogi