Talk:Scout method

message: needs something about the Good Turn Chris 16:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Rlevse 15:28, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Turn

message: *Merge, major overlap with these articles. The "Educational" one was just created. Scout method is the better name. A redirect should be left on the "Educational" page. Merging would reduce redundancy and make a stronger article.Rlevse 10:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Educational principles of Scouting]]

message: *Merge Patrol system is a key of the Scout method and should be merged.Rlevse 15:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's fairly new.Rlevse 23:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from Patrol system

message: Should it be Scout method or Scout Method capitalized? --Jagz 17:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Capitalised - The Scout Association POR Horus Kol 11:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: "While Beaver lodges have no leader structure within them, Cub sixes have a sixer and seconder." Needs internationalized. It's not sixer, etc everywhere.Rlevse 12:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in all counties Beavers have lodges. --Egel Reaction? 14:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For that matter, a Patrol in the UK is more normally of around 8 Scouts... I realise that the terms may vary in some countries, but isn't it right that we show what is common - and then nation specific articles can talk about the variation... as a counter-example, the Scouting article has a Summary of age groups and sections which does not reflect anywhere near the variety as shown in the article Age Groups in Scouting and Guiding... but, that, to me, is correct - an article shouldn't be filled with "mostly it is this, but it can also be ... or ... or ... or" ad nauseum... that is why we have articles for specific countries to talk about their specific variations in programme. Horus Kol 12:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You dont' have to go that far, one could just say something like Cub den(whatever) elect a leader and asst leader. Rlevse 13:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that Cub "den" is not universal... Horus Kol 21:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Jagz, I would check with an administrator or someone who might have a better idea. Or try to change it and see what happens. Generally people probably think of it as capitalized, so it makes sense to us. In the wiki world they have some weird capitalization rules, so I can't tell if it would offend those rules to capitalize it. sorry, no more help. --Tinned Elk 19:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... The BSA Language of Scouting is silent on this one.  There are several references to "the methods of Scouting" on the BSA website, but only one reference to the "Scouting method". --Gadget850 ( Ed) 20:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scout method 

message: I did some copy-editing and reorganization to make this article clearer. When I first read it I could not tell what the method really was and thus got some info from the Scouting Ed System publication referenced from this page. I still think it might do to have more structure. There is also no real explanation here of the "scouting game" or what the progression or "class" is. I see from the comments that this is really several articles merged, so I hope that I have added some clarity to the article! --Tinned Elk 01:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some editing 

message: Some time ago I merged the details of the method, but too cautious, resulting in a somewhat disorderly article. I tried now to merged it better, in which I:
* Divided the details into the 7 groups of WOSM
* Removed a lot of double parts and merged other parts in the decriptions.
* Removed some small parts which should be in other topics, discriptions of specific countries or not relevant historical background
* Made the claims more practical. In the Baden-Powell article there were objections in how far the article was a theoretical goal or a description of reality, what it should be. Regarding the statements of WOSM I partly agree. They are so high-pitched that one cannot imagine that the none-educated volunteer Scoutleader in weekly half a day can do this, probably don't even understand it. Therefore I returned to Baden-Powell's more practical explanations and removed descriptions which were not clear how it is done in real life Scouting work.
* Another reason for using a less abstract description is that Wikipedia is not a scientific encyclopaedia, but intended to be used by average people, also not native English speaking, as far as the subject makes possible. It would be strange if for instance Scouts would not understand what the article is about.DParlevliet 21:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Egel replaced the badge system by the Personal Progressive System (PPS). Because the original Scouting Badge system is still used in many countries and the paragraph contains some important Scouting principles about instruction I think it still has its place in this article. So I re-entered it. The PPS part needs a better reference because I could not find the text or intention in the mentioned page 113 of the reference. That young people don't join the Scout Movement to gain mini diplomas is true, but does not imply that these should not be a part of Scouting. Young people also don't join the Scout Movement for a Personal Progressive System. DParlevliet 21:10, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was page 114. I have merged the two versions and made it less abstract. --Egel Reaction? 04:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Better merge

message: # Commitment through the Promise and Law
# Progressive Self-Development
# Learning by doing
# Teamwork through the Patrol System and training for responsible leadership
# Active co-operation between young people and adults
# Service in the Community
# Outdoor activities
# Symbolism.
http://www.wagggsworld.org/en/grab/1109/1/1ConstitutionbookletEnglish.pdf  
--Egel Reaction? 13:36, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The method of the Girl Guide/Girl Scout Movement 

message: Evrik is correct here. Page numbers don't go directly into the article body for display, but they can be added to the ref itself and display as part of the ref.  — Rlevse • Talk •  18:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is , but I consider it a hack.  If you want page numbers directly in the reference, then you need a separate citation template for each reference.  --— Gadget850 (Ed) talk -  18:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Gadget, thanks for the work. When I wrote the article I saw no other way (used in some scientific papers) other 17 the same references with only a different page number. Not nice, but references without page number are useless. Because in all those months there was no objection I taught it would be acceptable. Of course when someone would have suggested me this solution I would have changed  it myself, but just deleting data in stead of improving is unacceptable. One would better read WIKI-rules (and Scout law) how to handle contributions of editors. I surely hope they don't have handled their scouts in the same way. When content is mutilated to get a good form one is on the wrong track. I am afraid that the project is so focused on getting featured articles that content is sacrificed while working against official Wiki-rules. I hope this article will keep free from this. DParlevliet 20:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page numbers

message: I propose to do routine copy edits of this article. Copy editing involves
*improving grammar
*correcting errors of punctuation, spelling, and so on
*Paraphrasing copyright material to avoid legal issues
*removing duplicate material
*altering wording to improve clarity
*improve organisation of content
The article has been tagged as needing copy edits since December 2008. --Diannaa (Talk) 12:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it needs some cleanup. But the changes you did to the article were fairly extensive, all in one big edit. How about a few words here about what the specific individual problems are, along with your proposed improvements, so that we can agree on the new text here first? HiLo48 (talk) 20:29, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Please feel free to critique the first edit - the one you undid. I assume you have specific objections you would like to discuss? I thought these were fairly obvious improvements to grammar, wording, etc., so I am interested to hear what exactly I did wrong.  Thanks. --Diannaa (Talk) 21:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy edits 

message: Thanks, Babakathy, for this edit. When I made the previous edit, I was conscious of leaving Scout POV in the article, but I wasn't sure if it was attributed clearly enough. Taking out the value-laden language solved that problem quickly. --Uncle Ed (talk) 23:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have undone the previous changes because the reference is: "Discipline is not gained by punishing a child for a bad habit, but by substituting a better occupation, that will adsorb his attention" (Aids to Scoutmwatership page 31) and "It cannot be done by forbidding ..." (page 12). But indeed it does not mention "more attractive", so I removed that part DParlevliet (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Point of view

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