Talk:George Bush Intercontinental Airport/Archive 1

message: The cargo list is full of errors and nothing more than just a copy/paste of the Houston airport websites. The problem is it includes 1) passenger airlines' cargo divisions, which are not actual airlines (except for Northwest Cargo) 2) irregular operators that do not operated scheduled service and only operate on demand and 3) codeshare airlines. 
Removed:
Cargo Airlines
    * American Airlines Cargo - not an airline
    * Air Canada Cargo - not an airline
    * Alitalia Cargo - does not fly to Houston 
    * America West Cargo - not an airline
    * Antonov Cargo - irregular operations; does not fly scheduled services
    * British Airways World Cargo - not an airline
    * CARGO TACA - not an airline
    * Continental Airlines Cargo - not an airline
    * Delta Air Lines Cargo - not an airline
    * Frontier Airlines Cargo - not an airline
    * JALCARGO - does not fly to Houston 
    * KLM Cargo - does not fly dedicated cargo to Houston
    * LAN Chile Cargo - does not fly to Houston
    * Northwest Airlines Cargo - does not fly dedicated cargo flights to Houston
    * Polet Air Company - does not operated scheduledcargo flights
    * Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo - does not fly to Houston 
    * Southwest Airlines Cargo - not a cargo airline
    * US Airways Cargo - not a cargo airline
    * US Postal Service - not a cargo airline
    * United Airlines Cargo - not a cargo airline
    * Varig Logistica - does not fly to Houston 
    * Volga-Dnepr - does not operate scheduled flights
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.153.231.179  (talk • contribs) .
who is posting this? seriously, sign your name. anyways, these all do have some sort of service to IAH. i beleive UPS, DHL are cargo. saudi airlines (did you actually click on the time schedule page???), KLM (747combi,) air canada cargo (real airlines), antonov, british airways world cargo, cargo taca, continental airlines, and so forth may not ALL have jets flying, but due use others or hold them in their cargo palets. go to airliners.net go to photos, then click on IAH. there are photos discrediting your claims. Urban909
How arrogant can you be? Check the freakin' links. Those airlines DO NOT FLY TO HOUSTON. Simple as that. Air Canada Cargo is a real airline, but they don't fly to Houston. They fly passenger planes to Houston, and "Air Canada Cargo" uses the cargo bay. There is no such thing as Continental Airlines cargo as an independent airline. Just because they exist as a division of an airline does not make them an airline, and to make it standard with all other airport entries, they are not to be listed. Also, just because there are photos on airliners means nothing. That just means certain airlines (like Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo) used to fly there. Check the links for proof that those airlines do not fly to Houston. These lists are for airlines that fly their physical planes to the airport, not airlines that have cargo agreements. KLM Cargo is a seperate airline from KLM Royal Dutch with it's own cargo fleet. None of those planes fly to Houston. Therefore, KLM Cargo does not fly to Houston. Simple as that. If we were to add "in one way or another" claim to passenger airlines, then just about every major airline in the world would be "flying to Houston" (and every other airport) because of codeshares.
sorry, who is writting this? i dont respond to IP numbers and i dont repsond to those that can't back their claims with hard proof. i am going by the list on HAS website. did you notice and an-124 in the picture sections by the way? interesting that it was POLET cargo. do you even know what an an-124 is?Urban909
Yes, I know what an AN-124. Did you notice the pictures of it at OTHER airports too? Or did you just ignore those? Do you even know what Polet does? They are a cargo airline that operates emergency cargo services for maintence. For example, if a British Airways 747-400 has engine trouble and needs a new, heavy part in Houston, Polet will ship the part to Houston from wherever it needs to come from. The Houston airport site includes CODESHARES and passenger airlines' cargo divisions, which are NOT actual airlines. Try looking for an American Airlines cargo plane. Doesn't exist. And the links provided in the above list of corrections makes it VERY clear that Alitalia Cargo, Saudi Arabain Cargo, etc. no longer fly to Houston. Thatthat 00:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The section header was changed from Cargo airlines to Cargo services.  Because of this, the list before you changed it was accurate. The discussion is to rework the section to clarify true cargo airlines, services, codeshare, etc. Please discuss here before changing the article. Postoak 22:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, first, please help me to categorize each entry the can provide direct/indirect service to IAH by 
(1) cargo only airline 
(2) codeshare arrangement 
(3) indirect service 
(4)not applicable. 
*American Airlines Cargo
*Aeromexpress
*Air Canada Cargo
*Air France Cargo
*Alitalia Cargo
*America West Cargo
*Antonov Cargo
*BAX Global
*British Airways World Cargo
*Cargoitalia
*Cargolux
*CARGO TACA
*China Airlines Cargo
*Continental Airlines Cargo
*DHL
*Delta Air Lines Cargo
*EVA Air Cargo
*FedEx
*Frontier Airlines Cargo
*JALCARGO
*KLM Cargo
*Kitty Hawk
*Korean Air Cargo [begins 2007]
*LAN Chile Cargo
*Lufthansa Cargo
*Martinair
*Menlo Worldwide
*Northwest Airlines Cargo
*Polar Air Cargo
*Polet Airlines
*Saudi Arabian Airlines Cargo
*Servisair Cargo
*Singapore Airlines Cargo
*Southwest Airlines Cargo
*US Airways Cargo
*US Postal Service
*UPS
*United Airlines Cargo
*Varig Logistica
*Volga-Dnepr
*World Airways Cargo
Then we can agree to what should actually be listed in the article. Thanks Postoak 23:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cargo airlines

message: I have heard this quite a bit.  Type "Houston Intergalactic Airport" into Google and you'll get 40,000+ hits.  An old NY Times article even mentions it.  I think it adds local character.  The Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport article includes a humorous joke in their opening paragraph.  I tried to find the most appropriate place in the article, but if you believe it's more appropriate elsewhere, that's fine.
I apologize about the problems yesterday.  Evidently, according to HawkerTyphoon, there's some problem with FireFox and the Google Toolbar blowing away content during the edit process, so I redid it in IE.
BTW, the overall quality of this article is excellent.  Very impressed.  I am curious where the 221 destinations number came from, as Continental says 183 on their profile, and I'd have trouble coming up with 38 non-Continental destinations (maybe it's the nonstop vs. direct difference? And CAL has a lot of directs thru Newark?).  If there's a reference site, I'd love to know what it is.
again i have never heard of that. if thats the case, its better to delete, then source. furthermore, it is usually deleted or changed before it is finalized with other people discussing this. its nothing personal, just the way it works. and if there is a general agreement, then its put in. cheers. 
oh and i found this in the NY Times:
"In 1969, when the first flights touched down at brand-new Houston Intercontinental Airport, the futuristic sparkle of its two terminal buildings seemed to express the brave-new-world outlook with which Houston faced the future. Nowhere in the South or Southwest was there anything to match the spaciousness and scale of the new airport carved out of 8,000 acres of piney woods 22 miles north of downtown. But, as the 1970's rushed by, as Houston was overwhelmed by growth, and as grander airports opened near Dallas and Atlanta, Houston Intercontinental began to seem not just ordinary but even a little dog-eared. Some cynics began sarcastically calling it Houston Interplanetary and, finally, Houston Intergalactic.
notice the bold words. doesn't seem like a compliment to the airport.Urban909
That story is from 1981.  I think it has a much more positive connotation today.  But it's hard to argue with the Google hits that it does exist, is widespread, and deserves mention somewhere in the article.  I will put the line here, and hopefully some agreement can be reached and it will be inserted by somebody somewhere in the article.  I really don't care about the wording or the location, I just think it deserves mention.
"It is often referred to as "Intergalactic" by locals, connotating its large size, extensive global flights, and Houston's NASA connection with the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center."
the google hits i got are from random blogs, bead shows, a triathlon and so forth. i dont see where you are gettting this from on google..Urban909
Regarding it being referred to that by locals, I'm from Houston and not only have I never heard that but I would never use it! But that's just one Houstonian's opinion. 161.253.12.191 19:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intergalactic nickname

message: Why is it called Intercontinental rather than International airport? Because it sounds cooler or for a real reason?
* Probably because Houston International Airport was the name of Hobby Airport at one point and they wanted to avoid confusion. Souperman 08:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Where in the article does Aramco Associated Company fit, if any? - Eagleamn 00:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intercontinental vs. International

message: should manchester be listed as a stop? for china airlines and british airways, seattle and chicago (heathrow flight) are not mentioned. should the final destinations, ie, the end of the flight be mentioned (only lahore or karachi). currently, a person that has a pakistan visa/passport may not be able to do round trip from IAH to MAN. plus, even though the site has says you can do a round trip ticket on PK to MAN from IAH might not mean you can. their website has has massive problems with bookings, as was the cancellation of a direct flight, not through manchester, but straight to NYC. It was cancelled do to security reason...
"The US Homeland Security, expressing its security concerns, has not permitted PIA to bring its nonstop flight to New York, sources in PIA informed Pakistan's The Nation newspaper. PIA flight Pk-711 is scheduled to fly to New York non-stop today. It is interesting to note that the route of PIA flight PK-721 leaving Lahore for New York last Sunday was changed at the eleventh hour due to unknown reasons. A delegation comprising officials from US main security agencies including Home Land Security and Traffic Safety Authority visited Pakistan recently and expressed their security concerns over the prevalent security measures at various International Airports. 
The US security officials termed the security environment at Karachi and Islamabad Airports as worst where they believed that many influentials got away without security search and checks. They also said in the report that there were many entrance points on these airports. It is interesting to note that PIA announced its flight to New York without prior permission from the host country. 
According to rules every airline was bound to seek prior permission to change the route from the country concerned. As per Immigration laws, Pakistanis travelling to US on transit flight and holding green cards issued before 1998 were required to get transit visa from UK Embassy in Pakistan, which required a week to get transit visa. Since PIA was repeatedly asking its passengers through press that PIA flight was operating non stop from Pakistan to New York it meant the said passengers were not required to get transit visa. 
Now as the US authorities have refused to allow the PIA to bring its flight direct to New York those possessing green cards would have to manage their transit visas which was not possible for them to manage within limited time. Ultimately they would be off loaded at the Lahore Airport. PIA can fly nonstop from USA to Pakistan but not from Pakistan to USA."
Source : http://nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2006/31/index9.php
Urban909
:For China Airlines and British Airways, SEA (for CI) and ORD (for BA) are not mentioned because these are domestic legs from IAH. CI and BA has no rights to transport domestic passengers between IAH to SEA and ORD respectively. But for IAH-MAN, this is not domestic. But then, there you have the issue with security. If this becomes a permanent matter (the fact that people cannot (dis)embark at MAN, then indeed, MAN should not be listed. Elektrik Blue 82 18:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. The PIA website sometimes is unreliable. A question: is the route situation permanent? Will PIA be flying thru MAN or non-stop? My impression from the article is that they started a non-stop route only to be altered at the last minute. Meaning they didn't intend to land in Manchester anyway, but were forced to. So passengers basically are all IAH-bound, not MAN. I'd say we wait for further developments and let the matters stabilize a bit. By the way, I haven't found a website independent of PIA that allows me to book the IAH-MAN leg. So I guess by now, MAN is not a destination. Feel free to revert. Elektrik Blue 82 00:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: PIA

message: okay, the website for this airline says it flies to HOU not IAH. anyone know anything more on this?.Urban909
Nope. 172.129.65.81 05:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sun Country Airlines

message: Why is Term D disputed? I can not find anything wrong with the section and can not find anything in the talk page. If no one responds within one week I am going to take it off. -Ben 14:17, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed Section 

message: Any reason why "Intercontinental Airport" does not redirect here? toll_booth 00:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I could think of, which is why it does now. --Souperman 09:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible lack of redirect 

message: The following statement should be kept under Terminal D since the issue does regard Terminal D directly. The proposed airlines will operate out of that international terminal (D). If User:FCYTravis needs to remove it (again) I suggest it be added to Future Expansion or leave it as is under Terminal D.
*Currently the Houston Airport System (HAS) is negotiating future services with international-based carriers including Air India, Virgin Nigeria, Qatar Airways, Korean Air and Asiana Airlines. These airlines have all expressed interest in adding Houston to their networks. Daniel2986 20:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminal D