Talk:St Paul's College, University of Sydney

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message: 20:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This information has never been proven in any way, shape or form. The allegations of a 'pro rape' web page are misleading at best given that the page was a team page/meeting place for a social indoor soccer team which involved individuals from all over the uni, college and non college students. Furthermore the page was set up by non collegiate members and its membership was largely non college students. The page did not advocate rape in any sense and was merely an admittedly inexcusable attempt at humor. Mugluck (talk) 09:02, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: More about this discussed at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice_board/Archive 34#St Paul's College pro-rape group. Donama (talk) 23:19, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  after reading the discussions, its apparent that there is some sort of bias - one user "Lester" refers directly to a well known history of violence against women and misogomy (possibly meaning misogeny?), however I would like to remind editors that the recent allegations should not be taken as fact, should not be taken as a reflection of the majority of the members of the collegiate community rather a reflection on some individuals who happened to reside at the college, and are more often than not directed not soley at St. Pauls but also at St. Andrews, and St. Johns. It is possible St. Pauls is referred to in the media most often because it is the higher profile college.Shuggyg (talk) 11:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The matter definitely must be succinctly covered in the article. There are plenty of sources. Tony (talk) 04:05, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy over male culture / pro-rape facebook group

message: It is not fair to say this article is mainly fluff, and should be merged with the general colleges webpage. This page does need to be tidied for sure, there are silly comments obviously put in there as vanity, however the college does have (unsourced and unmentioned in this article) important historical relevence such as the education of a famous, and controversial, politician Gough Whitlam, just as a single example of one of the many notable alumni.
Many other colleges internationally and nationally have their own wikipedia pages Trinity College, Cambridge, Clare Hall, Cambridge, Magdalen College, Oxford, International House, University of Sydney, Philip Baxter College, so unless it is proposed the rest of these college pages, and other collegiate pages on wikipedia, are removed, or merged into amalgamated collegiate pages of their respective universities, then I think that it is incorrect to delete the page on the basis that "Apart from the news about rape, the article is unreferenced, and is mostly fluff. At best, merge it to a list of Sydney Uni colleges". In addition to the "news about rape" as far as I can read, there have been no rape accusations, merely a sensationalistic news article in the Sydney Morning Herald relating to an allegation made by an annonymous friend of a freelance reporter. The News article was more about a facebook page which no one outside of the collegiate networks seem to have seen, except this reporter, and which is alleged to be pro rape, and also discussion on the general intercollegiate binge drinking environment, rather than specifically discussing St Pauls as a place where rape happens on a regular basis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shuggyg (talk • contribs) 17:43, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is notable, IMO; but here's a job for any wordsmiths who might still inhabit the college's fiercely anti-intellectual corridors. Tony (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed deletion

message: Without references, could we at least have a little info to verify the claims that these people are notable alumni? For example:
# Former New South Wales Leader of the Opposition, Ewan Murray Robson
# Former National Convenor, Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, Justice Lloyd Waddy
Well, what years was Robson leader of the opposition? In which jurisdiction was/is Waddy a Justice? Since when? Dates of birth or birth and death would be a minimum, too. Tony (talk) 08:52, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is becoming a big laundry list of alumni. Suggest it be culled down to those that have Wikipedia articles (or ought to), or be pushed out into another sub article. See Wikipedia:LAUNDRY. Donama (talk) 02:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have taken the step of pushing the alumni list out of the article into a sub article otherwise it weighs down this article too much. I recommend people with an interest in this article also take an interest in that sub article here: List of St. Paul's College, Sydney alumni. Donama (talk) 00:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni—insufficient information 

message: Hi editors, I stumbled across a proposal being drafted to cover who to include in alumni lists at User:Fæ/Alumni. Note the links on that page to other less-specifically-targeted wikipedia guidelines. I think this would be quite useful to keep this list of alumni useful to the typical reader. What do you think? Donama (talk) 05:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Alumni lists - notability criteria

message: I have removed a sentence from the history section, concerning the Facebook pro-rape scandal:
Thirteen years earlier, a former principle of another University of Sydney college, had published a book about his experiences called Finishing School for Blokes: College Life Exposed which called the system "repositories of a blokey culture that marginalises women as sex objects and demeans them.
This detail is only tenuously linked to the scandal and doesn't strictly belong in the history of the college. If to be included it would need to go into the culture section of the article, which currently only includes positives, like "2.1 Heraldry", "2.2 Facilities", "2.3 Dramatic society", "2.4 Sports", "2.5 Annual events" so I'm leaving it alone for now. Still there is a reasonable body of reliable sources attesting to this feature of St Pauls' culture, so anyone want to have a go at including this? Donama (talk) 07:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal from history section FB pro-rape scandal para 

message: I've currently removed the section entitled "2012 Racism Controversy". My concern is one of due weight - as far as I can tell, the accusation is that some people found a themed dinner hosted by the college to be racist. There has been one story published in the SMH used as a source (http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-education/was-this-uni-raj-night-racist-20120609-202q7.html]), and that goes into some detail, including quoting the NSW Anti-Discrimination Board as stating that the party wasn't racist. All other sources (except for a letter to the editor in a student magazine) are simply partial copies of the SMH paper, missing much of the later content from the original. So at the moment there only seems to be one real source that received a bit of coverage, and that doesn't seem to be enough to justify a full section in the article. - Bilby (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the removal of that text (which can be seen ) as it UNDUE. It would be a very tame group of students who never had a story about some "controversy", and the issue appears to have been a question of poor taste rather than an incident of outright racism. Johnuniq (talk) 10:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2012 Racism Controversy 

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