Talk:Freezing rain

message: A one-line entry.  If METAR codes are notable, they should be in the entry for the weather conditions they describe -- it would be literally a one-sentence addition! -- Michael Bauser 20:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[FZRA]] should be merged into [[Freezing rain]] 

message: "begins as a weiner shnitzel snow or rain"  weiner shnitzel??  WTF?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.53.219.20 (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: More information about external links:  WP:EL.  Four is hardly too many.  Quality matters.  Rklawton 14:22, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: I noticed the freezing rain page has much more information than the very similar ice storm page. I've taken some of the information here and put it in pertinent sections, but that page could use some help if interested. Tevonic (talk) 09:11, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ice Storm Page

message: In my opinion there's a difference between freezing rain and supercooled rain. Freezing rain should mean that air temperature is above the freezing point (thus raindrops are not supercooled) but the surfaces are below it (when rain hits them they get frozen), while supercooled rain means that air temperature is also below the freezing point. Anyway there's a problem with METAR codes that do not distinguish between the types: FZRA is used for supercooled rain.--Carnby (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: ...which means unless you can find a good published source for your opinion, it is considered original research and not to be included in the article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 01:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is cutting angels' hairs as the only way to have warm rain freezing on cold objects is that the objects cooled down more rapidly or warmed up more slowly than the layer of air around them. The only time this could happens is at the transition of below to above freezing when objects lag a bit behind in temperature, a situation that last no more than a few tenth of a degree. METAR is not for angels but for practical aviation. Pierre cb (talk) 05:46, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Wrong, rain that has frozen before hitting the ground is Ice pellets, commonly called sleet in the States. Pierre cb (talk) 22:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

text: In the UK frozen 'ice pellets' are called hail, and mixed rain and snow is called sleet.The Yowser (talk) 15:47, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freezing rain vs. supercooled rain 

message: I see no reason for there to be separate articles on glaze ice and freezing rain.  They should all be covered in one article, ideally this one.  Discuss.  Famartin (talk) 09:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How can you separate one from the other?  Freezing rain is only freezing rain because it becomes glaze ice.  Otherwise, its just rain. Besides, look at these two articles... they are almost identical already. Famartin (talk) 20:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Glaze ice is not a precipitation but a type of ice like rime ice, hoar frost, black ice, etc... Furthermore freezing rain is a precipitation that cause glaze ice but not the only one that can do it, freezing drizzle can form it too. Since it does not "rain glaze ice" you cannot classify it in the precipitation category and merge it with freezing rain. Pierre cb (talk) 01:48, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Freezing drizzle and freezing rain are so close to the same thing they should both be included here as well.  There's simply too much redundancy between the articles here.  I think ice storm should also be folded into freezing rain but one step at a time.  Famartin (talk) 03:03, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rain and drizzle are formed totally differently and I insist ice is not a precipitation (by the way glaze ice can be formed by just spraying water with a hose) ! While you are at it why not lump together all the type of weather phenomenon into one the article. That way, there will be one article for meteorology. Pierre cb (talk) 04:42, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You just proved my point.  If glaze ice can be formed just by spraying water from a hose, why does it need a separate article from plain ice and freezing rain?  There's nothing special or notable about glaze ice in and of itself, other than the fact it is formed from freezing rain.  We should just put the meteorological effects of glaze ice into the freezing rain article and be done with it.  Have glaze ice redirect to that section of the freezing rain article.  Famartin (talk) 06:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have proved nothing of the sort. Anyway, you won't make me change my mind and you certainly will not change yours. So lets other give their view on the subject. Pierre cb (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

text: That's not really a valid argument, since it would still appear in a search.  Plus, usually for articles which are merged, they get redirects. Famartin (talk) 06:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge [[glaze ice]] into this article 

message: I was the FAA senior icing specialist and the FAA representative on the NTSB investigation on American Eagle Flight 4184.  I did the ice testing at Edwards AFB on the ATR-72 (twice) and three other airplanes.  As I write this I am lecturing on the use of computational fluid dynamics in FAA certification including discussion on this very topic.  It was not freezing rain that caused the sharp edged ridge of ice to form aft of the aileron that resulted in self deflection in the accident sequence, it was freezing drizzle.  The FAA has not yet issued its final rule defining the requirements for aircraft on this issue and is expected to do so in March 2014, nearly 20 years after the accident. I have authored several papers on this and related subjects.
The discussion on the ATR-72 accident should be in the discussion of freezing drizzle or more correctly supercooled drizzle drops.24.178.213.203 (talk) 16:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ATR-72 and freezing rain 

message: The article said freezing rain is rain that falls when surface temperature are below 0°C. Isn't the real definition of freezing rain rain that freezes imediately after it hits any surface at all. Isn't it possible for ground temperatures to be above 0°C when freezing rain builds up on aircraft. In addition to that, the article states that freezing rain is supercooled but I think not all freezing is supercooled. Can't it happen that the air temperature and surface temperatures are both below 0°C then the air warms up to above 0°C without thick tree branches having enough time to warm up to avove 0°C then rain avove 0°C hits those tree branches then freezes from those tree branches being below 0°C, with rain that was above 0°C forming glaze ice. I think that type of freezing rain is even more common at night when the sun isn't there to speed up the warming of the surfaces of tree branches. Blackbombchu (talk) 21:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect information about freezing rain. 

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message: They are two different things hail happens in summer while freezing rain is winter timing. DUHHHH24.187.123.234 (talk) 21:10, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree they are not the same, but the difference is not in timing. Hail is already frozen, so it "bounces" when it hits the ground. Freezing rain is liquid, which freezes on contact with a cold surface. The article already makes a distinction between the two forms. Reify-tech (talk) 21:38, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, hail and freezing rain come from totally different types of clouds and processes. I do not see the point of this section as hail is never mentionned in this article! This is a total lost of time. Pierre cb (talk) 23:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hail is mentioned in passing, as distinguished from and different from freezing rain. Nothing to get excited about. Cheers! Reify-tech (talk) 23:17, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hail is not Freezing Rain