Talk:Christoph Martin Wieland

message: "Wieland spent many evenings at the well known Wieland family guest house and tavern Sonne Post in Neuhuetten. Here in the quiet guest house gardens the former poet of an austere pietism now became the advocate of a light-hearted philosophy, from which frivolity and sensuality were not excluded."
Any hint where this could possibly be documented? Otherwise this should be deleted.
Waldbuesser (talk) 16:47, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find any source for this and deleted it. Must have been a hoax - because what is an 18th cent. "family guest house" supposed to be (they didn't have B'n'Bs back then)? Plus the combination "Sonne Post" is extremely unlikely as a name for a pub. Albrecht Conz (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope to find a source for this statement. Since march 2008 this sentance is included in the biography. I can't understand your thinking. I live 10 miles away from Neuhuetten and there is an old pub called Sonne-Post. About 1860 ( perhaps before this time) this pub also included a poststation. Since 1860 the owner of this house is the family Wieland. First Wieland were born in Neuhütten in 1664. The guesthouse is proably built 1700 or 1760 (written in a stone in the cellar). That's why it is possible that Wieland was there.Waldbuesser (talk) 16:12, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Without a source it's nothing but guesswork - and the possibility that Wieland was there means, we do not know. The fact that a "Wieland family" has owned such a pub since 1860 doesn't mean anything either, as long as you can't establish a family relationship (and Wieland died in 1813), nor provide evidence that this pub was named "Sonne-Post" during Wieland's lifetime, nor that Wieland was ever near this place. - Unsourced speculative assertions should not be part of the article. (As an aside, "guest house" doesn't mean "Gasthaus" and "Neuhuetten" should be spelled "Neuhütten"). Albrecht Conz (talk) 21:42, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You are right, unsourced speculative assertions should not be part.
Schade nur, daß (englische Fassung) jeder ohne Quellenangabe veröffentlichen kann und das auch noch, ohne einen Namen anzugeben wie hier am 7. März 2008 der user 67.85.66.82 (Italy ?). Mehrere Webseiten (u.A. http://www.geni.com/people/Christoph-Wieland/ )haben die Biografie so übernommen obwohl viele Stellen nicht belegt sind.
Die Sonne-Post war übrigens eine Königliche Poststation, wo man auch übernachten konnte. Wieland ist auf jeden Fall auf mindestens einer seiner Reisen über Heilbronn und Schwäbisch Hall (dort Freund Friedrich David Gräter) gekommen, wofür ich auch eine Quelle gefunden habe. Neuhütten liegt auf dem alten Postweg in der Mitte von Heilbronn nach Schwäbisch Hall. Waldbuesser (talk) 19:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

text: "Too bad that in the English version everyone can publish without source indication even without a name, as user 67.85.66.82 (Italy?) here on the 7th of March 2008. Several websites (among others http://www.geni.com/people/Christoph-Wieland/) have adopted the biography in this way although many places are not occupied. The Sonne-Post was, incidentally, a royal post office, where one could also stay. Wieland definitely came on at least one of his travels via Heilbronn and Schwäbisch Hall (where his friend Friedrich David Gräter was), for which I have also found a source. Neuhütten is on the old Post road between Heilbronn to Schwäbisch Hall." Waldbuesser, 19:43, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wieland spent many evenings at the well known Wieland family guest house "Sonne Post"