Talk:Slice of life story

message: Hi
Who knows other interesting SLICE OF LIFE STORIES (or films)?
Let me know...
thanks
Bernie 20:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It is untrue that a 'slice of life story' is defined by a lack of plot-- the story can have a plot-- the best works in this genre tend to have a clear plot-line. It's the art of making the story seem as if it was just a random moment and then-- finding the significance in these random moments and the drama etc. that make this type of work popular. Some slife of life stories seem to be plotless, but not all. Lack of plot isn't a defining factor here.
I think this article has a negative tone and it should be more balanced. I think the statements about slice of life having "no-plot" need to go. You could say: "some may not even have a plot..." but making it sound like the goal is to write something without a plot is absurd.
futurebird
:I agree. I added a POV tag about that for now... --Fritz S. (Talk) 08:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Slice of life stories definitely are NOT categorized by lack of plot. Pretty much, S.O.L. just means that it is a story that can be "cut out" or contain "cut-outs" of someone's life. That could mean that there can be plot or no plot, depending on the story.Christoph Jenkins 04:28, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No Plot?

message: I do not think the article so far (which I wrote) has a negative tone - in fact, I love some slice of life stories (see examples).
Also I think your arguments are interesting, but if you think "the best works in this genre tend to have a clear plot-line", then please give us some examples!
Bernie june 23, 2006
I believe you did not intend it to be negative, but when I read it, it seemed sort of dismissive, as if it described a lazy or haphazard way of writing. I think of slice of life as a kind of realism having the following two characteristics, at least:
* The characters represent only themselves, unique personalities we are getting to know for their own sake, rather than stock characters serving as allegories.
* All of the story takes place in a linear fashion within a clearly defined period ("slice") of time, with no use of flashbacks or flash-forwards. Any background information we need to know about the characters is revealed through conversations or actions taking place in the present.
In this category I would place the films of James L. Brooks ("Terms of Endearment," "Spanglish") and many other comedy-dramas, such as "The Weather Man," which I saw today. Richard K. Carson 04:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  then how about an example or two? 

message: it is interesting to see that the person who deleted the quotes is not even identifiable. Also, he or she is amazingly arrogant. If he/she does not understand the quotes, that may be because of him and not the quotes themselves. Especially the one from the Jack London story is very clear indeed. 
Bernie 16:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I dunno. I understand the quotes themselves, but I agree with their removal as they do not help explain what a slice-of-life story is. —Quasirandom 22:30, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  amazing arrogance 

message: My impression is that this line:
"The term slice of life is actually a (more or less) dead metaphor: it often seems as if the author had taken a knife and cut out a slice of the lives of some characters, apparently not bothering at all where the cuts were made."
gives an unnecessarily negative view of the genre. Specifically the assertion that there might be no care as to "where the cuts were made". Being explicit about the metaphor (slicing out a piece of the life) is fine, but the quoted line suggests to me that the slicing was done in a careless fashion.
Proposal: perhaps the notion of careful description (observation) of mundane (quotidian?) activities is a better approach, than saying that things included were essentially random, which seems to imply lack of craftsmanship.
--Bob 69.180.201.215 04:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that that quote is the locus of POV issues here, and tagged the statement as such. Which means we have a chance of improving things, with a concrete issue identified. If others agree, we can remove the large NPOV banner and then work on giving this more ballance. —Quasirandom 19:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV / Negativity (randomness) 

message: Can anyone list a few slice of life animes?
: I think we have enough now. —Quasirandom 22:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already listed (and has been for a long time). —Quasirandom 04:23, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well *I* think a pure manga, without anime, series would be good. 'Course I could be saying that because I'm a raving Yotsuba fanboy. "Today is always the most enjoyable day." —Quasirandom 14:39, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I'll add it. Frexe 13:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Katri, Girl of the Meadows (1984), Little Women (1987).  Taran Wanderer 20:35, 02 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd think for Little Women it'd be better to use the original novel. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime series? 

message: Since whether a work is a slice-of-life story is something of a subjective call, all the examples really need citations in order to pass WP:V. I've put a couple on, for works I already knew where to find them, but the rest need them little footnotes. Using the quote parameter the way I did is also a useful thing. —Quasirandom (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in a couple more citations, but haven't found anything substantive for the others, and so have tagged them individually as needing verification. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just cited the one anime I put up there (the anime/manga To Heart ) and cited the anime/manga someone else put up there ( Kare Kano ) Hope that helps this article - Prede (talk) 00:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Up, helps. Thanks. Though to be honest, I don't think the reference on To Heart can pass scrutiny as a reliable source per Wikipedia guidelines, as being a self-published reference. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah no problems. As for the To Heart thing I also felt it really wasn't the BEST scource, but it was something. There are TONS of beter scources out there for it I'm sure...but for now it's fine I think. - Prede (talk) 02:38, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Given that the encyclopedia is user-edited, it doesn't meet the requirements of a reliable source, alas. (It's the experience of the WikiProject Anime and Manga that the ANN encyclopedia can be used cautiously for information that comes directly from a release, such as publisher, release date, or episode titles, but isn't reliable for information requiring interpretation, such as genre.)  This is as opposed to ANN's news and reviews, of course, where they definitely are a reliable source. —Quasirandom (talk) 20:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, that was fast! :) Thanks for the answer. Oh well, I guess I'll have to hunt down reviews (I'm lazy...) Cattus talk 20:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I'm with you on the lazy. :-/ —Quasirandom (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations need for examples 

message: Slice of life is a term loosely and erroneously used to refer to minimalist fiction and other literary works.  Within a workshop situation, the term "slice of life" is used to suggest that the story does not have a plot: it is a gentle but obvious reprimand.  "Episodic" stories are deemed incomplete, and lacking literary value: hardly the case with the examples provided here as episodic stories.  The writers mentioned as examples of slice of life are in fact writing plots.  For a clearer understanding of plot, one should read critical works by Edgar Alan Poe, Flannery O'Connor, John Gardner, James Joyce and E.M. Forster.  Then it will become clearer to the reader that writers like Carver, Hemingway, Steinbeck and many others mentioned mistakenly in this category are, in fact, writing quite stupendously well-defined literary plots, NOT "slice of life."  There is a general tendency of the public to mistake action with plot, or plot with story. This may be due to Hollywood's prevalence and aggressive claim of the term "plot" to define action-driven narrative. It is true that many minimalist and modern fiction stories lack "action" or action-driven narrative, but they do not lack plot.  In the case of many literary stories, plot is character-driven rather than action driven.  Therefore, I would throw out the entire definition provided here as lacking in accuracy or scholarship.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Writerlystuff (talk • contribs) 04:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you could provide a reliably sourced definition, it'd be appreciated. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Question: should this article be merged with Slice of life? --Blue387 (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Merger could confuse as these two separate and distinct pages are necessary in the same sense that Beat Generation and Beatnik have separate pages for the purpose of clarification. Pepso2 (talk) 07:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slice of life merge? 

message: Question related to this article (Slice of life story) at Talk:Slice of life. --EarthFurst (talk) 21:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slice of life story summary question 

message: There is a discussion regarding the merging of this article into Slice of life. Please come participate there. Thank you. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 23:28, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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