Talk:Molly Mormon

message: Isnt this term mostly used within the church, and mostly to describe adolescent girls?  I dont see it so much a term used to describe adult women. I see it more as a term used by teenagers (both boys and girls) to describe girls who won't participage in typical teen rebelious activities.  I.e. "She would never get a belly button ring, she is way to Molly." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.192.239 (talk • contribs) 04:40, 17 July 2006
:I think originally that is what it referred to but when I lived in Utah it was definitely not gender specific.  Pretty much anyone of any age (usually under 30 though) could be a MoMo.  I was raised Mormon and lived in Utah for almost 13 years and have honestly never heard the Peter Priesthood one though.  Its used both in the church to make fun of holier than thou Mormon's who practice the sillier abstination's of thing's or as peer pressure but also outside the Mormon community as a peer pressure tactic or joking way in making fun of non-Mormon's who wouldn't do things like smoke, drink, come out on Sunday etc.. but usually never in seriousness.  When I was mormon I'll tell ya right now that I was the ultimate MoMo.  RaynDrahps 04:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Usage

message: Unless this can be should to pass WP:NEO, I am going to nominate it for deletion. It needs reliable sources that discuss the actual meaning of the term. Until(1 == 2) 13:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: agree, and I'd support the nom for deletion. -Visorstuff 14:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It sounds to me like you want to see this article deleted one way or another, for any poor reason you can come with.  If not, why would you say "I don't think this is a neologism" and then turn around and write this comment essentially saying let's delete this silly neologism.  You can't have it both ways.  Please leave your personal biases out of this. Reswobslc 13:43, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no personal bias in this. I have no problem with "embarrassing" parts of Mormonism. I stand by my remark that it's not a neologism (at least not a very "neo" one). This article simply can't be more than a dictionary definition. Three users before me independently came to this conclusion. I'm honestly not out get you. I did not call you a good editor with irony. I've seen your stuff and it's top-notch. Cool Hand Luke 01:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My only personal bias in this is the time and effort I've spent putting the article together that you want to undo.  No matter what I do, it'll never be good enough for you.  If "Molly Mormon" is just a dicdef with something to say about it, then perhaps so is "Nigger".  After all, a nigger is a derogatory word for a black person, end of story, and you can go on and on about how somebody said nigger, somebody wrote nigger, somebody got shot saying nigger, and how Huck Finn said nigger, but in the end, nigger is just a "dic def" for a black person, per your logic.  So why don't you AfD over there as well?  There is nothing consistent about your zeal to undo my good-faith work. Reswobslc 01:53, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the sources are examples of the word being used which have no analysis. There's little scholarly work that establishes these various meanings and their evolution with any authority (unlike nigger, or even Jack Mormon), and I still believe this is the sort of thing wikipedia is not. Nonetheless, you've added lots of sources, and many editors think WP:V is enough. You can be proud of this article. At any rate, in the future I'd appreciate it if you don't make personal attacks. ("I guess Luke's criteria for inclusion is whether it makes everything Mormon look shiny and delightsome." "talking out of both sides of one's mouth.") Cool Hand Luke 02:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "She is a Molly Mormon. Patty Perfect.  The Typical Mormon Woman.  Different names for the same woman.  She sits quietly in sacrament meeting, dispensing Cheerios and quiet books with dignity.  She teaches inspiring, non-controversial Relief Society lessons.  She wears sensible shoes and bears a striking resemblance to June Cleaver.  She’s always ready with whole wheat bread for the needy.  She’s our role model, as quintessentially Mormon as the Golden Plates.".  Sounds like analysis, and not mere usage, to me. Reswobslc 03:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would you believe, maybe, perhaps, that I was simply wrong? Or do you still prefer to believe I'm one of the brethren out to scour the the wikipedia from unflattering coverage at Molly Mormon? Cool Hand Luke 03:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, you still haven't rescinded that AfD in spite of mounting evidence that it isn't going anywhere. Reswobslc 03:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I'm sorry for nominating your article. Cool Hand Luke 03:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, and sorry for all the pressure exerted in fighting for its keep.  (If pressure included better references and a better article, better for Wikipedia.)  Reswobslc 03:38, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seven years later, the article is still here. I found it interesting and useful. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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