Talk:1980 Miami riots

message: Not that I'm saying the story is wrong, but is there actual evidence that the police lied? Granted it's likely that it was they who beat him into a coma, but isn't Wikipedia supposed to be neutral all the same?
Transcripts and the officer's own testimony, particularly that of Mr. Hanlon's, support the claim that officer's lied and covered up their acts.  That officers lied about attacking the victim was not in contention.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.180.139 (talk) 05:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While I know nothing about this incident, the above unsigned comment seems reasonable to me -- the article says the officer were found not guilty.  Is it fair for the article to also say they "lied"?  SteveHopson 02:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality?

message: Parks, Arva Moore. Miami: The Magic City. Miami, Fl: Centennial Press, 1991.  and the Miami Herald archives are the refs, not explained in detail, the offisers lied in court but it was a whole white jury and they were found not gulity, not PoV, thanks Jaranda wat's sup 02:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, I think the article should be better documented.  As is, the only documentation is an Op-Ed, not a news article.  SteveHopson 02:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: This may be semantics, but a verdict of "not guilty" is not really the same as innocent. It can simply mean that the prosecution did not meet the burden of proof since the defense does not have to prove innocence but merely raise "reasonable doubt" or perhaps play on the prejudices of the jury. Although someone found innocent cannot be tried for the same offense again, then can be found civilly liable for the same act. For example, O.J. Simpson could be sued for wrongful death of his ex-wife even though he was found not guilty. Wschart 13:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aquittal vs Innocence

message: From this article, "McDuffie was an insurance salesman who had previously been a United States Marine, and a military police officer. He had two daughters and planned to remarry his former wife at the time of the incident." 
The Liberty City riots article says this "McDuffie, who had been scheduled to be remarried to his ex-wife two months before his death, was the father of three small children. Of that amount, the family's legal team received $483,833, while McDuffie's children each received $202,500, and his mother, $67,500."
So can this article be updated to reflect the fact that he had three children if that is indeed the case? By someone who has read the source material and knows how many children he had preferably. I think this language is suitable... "He had three children and planned to remarry his former wife at the time of the incident." 12.215.36.208 15:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I imagine it means that at the time, he had two children, but after his death he had three because perhaps his girlfriend was pregnant at the time. Cyborg Ninja 00:12, 28 Nov 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of children

message: Article was linking to the wrong Michael Watts. Have changed to stop-gap solution until someone who knows more can add a disambig. page to Michael Watts, or change the link in this article. Easy skankin' 10:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Michael Watts

message: Liberty City Riots should be a separate article... AnonMoos (talk) 15:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. 1992 Los Angeles riots is not a redirect to Rodney King, and this article should follow that pattern. Almost 20 people died in the Miami riots; it's  notable enough for its own article.--Anthon.Eff (talk) 03:03, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Separate article

message: I've flagged this article for a POV check, because it seems to me that it's not written neutrally at all.  It's full of commentary such as "Del Toro's arrest demonstrates the desperation of the state and the pressure of the media to receive results, when Judge Lenor Nesbit rendered a directed verdict releasing Del Toro half way through the trial," as well as unbacked assertions such as "Thus, Marrero's testimony proved to the jury that their was mounting reasonable doubts from all angles of the state case."  Yes, the jury found Marrero innocent, but there's no evidence that it was because they felt Marrero's testimony proved the existence of reasonable doubt.  Phanatic (talk) 20:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: POV Check

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Comment seems like WP:BIO1E ... question is, should this be Death of Arthur McDuffie  or the proposed riots title? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 17:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: ...that the victims of the riot were innocent white people murdered by black rioters?
That MacDuffie was black and the cops were white is mentioned repeatedly --- but no mention that the riot victims were murdered for the color of their skin, simplybecause they were within reach of the rioters.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.75.3 (talk) 15:51, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a section on Deaths from the riot. Both whites and blacks were killed in the riots. I can easily add the race of the victims if there's interest. The shorthand is that all but 1 victim on Day 1 was white, all but 1 victim on Day 2 was black. Jane Digby (talk) 18:32, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no mention... 

message: This article seems out of balance. The death of Arthur MacDuffie and subsequent trial would be of interest even had the riot never occured. Why isn't this a separate article that is referenced here? The riots themselves get a mere 5 paragraphs in this long article. The deaths, injuries and damage to the community is barely covered. Jane Digby (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  MacDuffie vs Riots