Talk:Gaius Appuleius Diocles

message: Mannix claims that he published memoirs. Have these survived? Drutt (talk) 02:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Memoirs

message: "Adjusted for inflation, as of 2014 his fortune was equivalent to about 15 billion USD."
This is ridiculous.  A sestertius would have to have had the buying power of $420 for 38 million sesterces to equal $15 billion.  38 million sesterces is more like $190 million. 03:37, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The term "fantastic" in the sentence "That condition, however, arises from the fantastic assumption that, as his wealth would have been enough to fund the entire Roman Army for more than two months", is a POV term and should be removed. It is a false equivalence to link the amount of money he earned across a 24 year career and compare it to the amount of money needed to fund the Roman army for a 2 month period, as the basis for doubting this well attested fact. The amount of money he earned across those 24 years pales into insignificance when comparing it to the amount of money needed to fund the Roman army across the same period. Oatley2112 (talk) 11:18, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Value of money

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I'm a bit concerned with the sources on this article. Both the telegraph article and the ancient-origins article repeat the $15 billion figure, but both quote the Struck Lapham article as their source as well. I think that we're getting a Circular reporting problem. Waxpapers (talk) 04:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with sources 

message: The article says:"was born in approximately 104 A.D in Lamecum" but this is not correct. The birth place is unknown. There are only two epigraphic documents: a text from Rome and a second text that comes from the temple of the Fortune Primigenia of Praeneste (now Palestrina), where he decided to retire until the end of his days. The first one can be seen in the "Corpus Inscriptiorum Latinarum", VI, no. 10048. The sencond one, in XIV, no. 2884. The specific place of his birth does not appear in any of the documents, but you can read " Apuleius Diocles, natione hispanus lusitanus", so he was from Lusitania, but there is no evidence after all, that he was born in Lamecum. Furthermore, he did his debut in the circus of Augusta Emerita (the current town of Mérida in Extremadura, Spain), ancient capital of Lusitania, so he was probably from that region.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.108.226.254 (talk) 04:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that. I've stripped the article back to its bare (sourced and cited) bones, removed the irrelevant image and connections from this article to others. I can find nothing to confirm Merida as place of his racing debut, so have removed this as well. If anyone can reliably source the Merida-Diocles claim, please do so. It's not in the first of the CIL primary sources (above), which I've linked from the article but might be in the second (from Praeneste). Haploidavey (talk) 05:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not in the second either. The second is a dedication to the goddess, Fortuna Primigenia. It descibes Diocles as the leading charioteer among the Reds. Haploidavey (talk) 06:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I could not find either, any reliably source about Mérida. 79.108.226.254 (talk) 03:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine. We only need to repeat what's said and evidenced in reliable sources, and must not draw our own conclusions. Haploidavey (talk) 05:24, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth place 

message: No evidence has been offered for his being the "wealthiest" or even a  "very very" wealthy athlete. Though it does look like he received an awful lot of prize money, we have no points of comparison with others. We don't know whether he was wdely celebrated in his own lifetime (a 24 year career is quite a stretch) or not, or to what extent. No ancient source, not even a graffito, mentions him, other than his two self-aggrandising and probably quite costly epitaphs; or maybe it's one honorific plaque from his compadres and one dedication to the goddess, from him or in his name. I've edited the introduction to reflect what's known. Haploidavey (talk) 06:42, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very flimsy basis for this article 

message: Hello, I am very new to wikipedia and I am probably in the wrong place for this, but I want to know more about Diocleses horses, like their names or breed. The information about Centenerian horses or chariot horses in Ancient Rome is pretty scarce based on my research, so I would be grateful if anyone was able to provide me with some. Hobbitmaster911 (talk) 02:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Absolutely everything that's known about Diocles (and his horses) is covered by the two inscriptions which are the sole evidence for his life and career. They're given in the article text (sources and footnotes). Good luck with your research. Haploidavey (talk) 06:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The nine horses