Talk:Premier of South Australia

message: "Before the 1890s, there was no formal party system in South Australia. Party labels before that time indicate a general tendency only." Does anyone know what "general tendencies" the governments before the 1890s had, and if so is there a way to indicate this in the article without referring to them as Labor/Liberal (for obvious reasons) or "left" and "right"? I'm not sure myself but would be quite interested to find out and indicate them in a meaningful and correct way. Timeshift 15:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Free trade vs protectionism seems to be mentioned in quite a few articles of the time. --Scott Davis Talk 22:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Left/Right

message: Nice to see that the SA parliament website relies on us for something :-) Click "Premiers of South Australia" on this page Timeshift 14:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should seek permission to use their images in that case Screech1616 (talk) 13:44, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Well done Wikipedians

message: Grr... can anyone figure it out? Timeshift (talk) 11:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, thanks Peter. Timeshift (talk) 12:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something wrong at bottom of page 

message: I have created an SA ALP leader template. How far back should an SA Liberal leader template go? Eastick was the first Liberal Party leader, LCL has a seperate wiki page with 4 leaders and should have another template? Timeshift (talk) 03:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw the ALP template; great job as I hadn't realised I had missed Kirkpatrick. Eastick would be the logical choice for the first Liberal leader and I can't see why the LCL shouldn't have a template of its own. --Roisterer (talk) 03:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Will do navboxes, and earlier templates, when I have some more time. Timeshift (talk) 05:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done - but I don't if it's worth doing it for leaders prior to the LCL as parties get a little bit fluid before them. Timeshift (talk) 10:01, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also i'm surprised nobody picked up on John McPherson. Timeshift (talk) 09:46, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good spot. --Roisterer (talk) 12:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Party leader template 

message: Removed CLP refs, per http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A110181b.htm - The Liberals exhibited a new assertiveness: in 1906 they had formed the Liberal and Democratic Union with a network of branches... Stung by Labor's April election victory, in September 1910 the anti-Labor parties amalgamated to form the Liberal Union, with Peake as parliamentary leader. Timeshift (talk) 03:20, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comm Lib Party 

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message: If Vaughan left Labor in 1916 to help form the NLP, but remained Premier until 1917, who was Labor leader during this time? I can't seem to find an answer for it, and Vaughan's infobox showing him as Labor leader until 1917 is clearly wrong. Timeshift (talk) 02:52, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error - who was Labor leader 1916-1917? 

message: Such as when a non-Labor party become another non-Labor party under a different name under the same leader, and other possible errors. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 17:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any corrections on [[Leader of the Opposition (South Australia)]] welcome 

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message: I was re-doing his lead slightly, and came across this and this for references to reword "but is perhaps best remembered for having Uluru/Ayers Rock named for him" as I couldn't find any refs to support this subjective/opinionated wording. Little was I to know the minefield I was about to stumble across. Both refs say Ayers was Premier of South Australia seven times! According to both his article and Premier of South Australia, we have him down for five times. So I checked ye olde faithful only to find that their Premier list on page 173 only starts from Walsh/1965! Odd, I seem to recall it going back much further. So, next stop was SA Parliament Premiers and Ayer's biography, which also says he was Premier seven times! So I clicked on the "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown, to find five Premier listings, five "Chief Secretary" listings, and one "Without Office" listing! I had a read of Chief Secretary, which very dumbed down my understanding is it is basically the old name for Premier (second in charge after the Governor). According to ye olde faithful, we had a Chief Secretary from 1856 right through to 1989, so once SA had a Premier i'm not sure what the Chief Secretary's role was apart from perhaps a ceremonial one, but I digress slightly. I'm now not sure exactly where we sourced the data for Premier of South Australia from and where we got five times for Ayers from (note, refs used in Premier articles are dying en-masse), i'm not sure why three sources including SA Parliament say he was Premier seven times, and why the SA Parliament "Ministerial Appointment" dropdown has him down for five-time Premier and five-time Chief Secretary and whatever the "Without Office" listing is. Where there's smoke, there's fire... this is likely just the tip of the iceberg. And the final Ayers confusion, while he was CS there were other MPs serving as Premier, and while he was Premier there were others serving as CS. I thought I had a half-reasonable grasp on early SA political history, but this has made me re-assess that significantly. My grasp on this is shattered. Does anyone have the motivation to proceed to check and solidly source Premier of South Australia and the individual Premier articles? What ref and/or method are we currently using, and if it's not the correct or best way, what ref and/or method should we be using? I've left Henry Ayers as a five-time Premier in the lead for now as that's what was there and what's in Premier of South Australia, but I think it will be one of many SA Premier articles under review/fact check. Additionally, there's a Chief Secretary of New South Wales article, does anyone want to do a Chief Secretary of South Australia article and/or list, presumably based on page 173? Anywho, thanks for reading... logging off, i've got a headache now :/ Timeshift (talk) 19:19, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I can start the article/list, but don't know how much other content I will get to. --Scott Davis Talk 05:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

text: Easy bits of the article created today between other activities. I hope it helps. The see also Chief Secretary gives a clue about the general role and its history, but not SA specifically. --Scott Davis Talk 13:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

text: I should just point out that this also applies to Arthur Blyth and James Boucaut who also served as Premier atop consecutive and non-consecutive ministries, so whatever you do for Ayers applies to Blyth and Boucaut and should be changed there. The Drover's Wife (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Henry Ayers]] - Premier five times? Seven times? Ten times? Have we infact got many of them wrong?! Need help! 

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