Talk:Ted Nelson

message: It says "[citation needed]" by the statement that
<< Ted Nelson promotes four maxims: "most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong". >>;  
But I noticed that, according to
http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/nelson.html      [1]
it gives a source for a very similar quote, in this remark about Ted Nelson:
<< He often repeats his four maxims by which he leads his life: "most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong." >>.
It lists the source as a hyperlink (Wolf, 1995), pointing to 
"http://www.ibiblio.org/pioneers/references.html#wolf",       [1a]
which says this:
  Wolf, G. "The Curse of Xanadu." , June 1995. Avaialble at:
  http://www.wired.com/wired/archive//3.06/xanadu_pr.html
So then I proceeded to 
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive//3.06/xanadu_pr.html   [2]
and there, it says: 
"On his long walk home, he came up with the four maxims that have guided his life: most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong. Nelson loves these maxims and repeats them often."
(these are the 3rd and 4th sentences of a 5-sentence paragraph, the 3rd paragraph 
of "C H A P T E R T W O", at [2]).
How should the artticle be updated, to supply the "[citation needed]"?
Should there be a reference to [1] or [1a]?  Or, just to [2]?
(also - - is [2] authoritative enough?)
Thanks, Mike Schwartz 02:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  citation for Ted's 4 maxims 

message: I would be great to have a picture of Ted Nelson.  In the best case a picture from the 1960s when he wrote some of the first hypertext stuff and a more recent one.  --Ben Houston 21:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs Picture of Ted Nelson

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11stream.html?emc=eta1
So, if anyone wants to incorporate some of that information into the article, there's that. Though some of the cliams are kind of awkward, and requires a technical understanding of Zig-Zag and Xanadu, but whatever. -- kanzure (talk) 16:18, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 NYT Ref 

message: At 17:18 on 5 October 2011‎ Xsidx changed the birth place from New York to Chicago explaining, "having met and talked to Ted Nelson today in person, he told me that the Wikipedia info is wrong". Then at 17:35 the same day‎ Jojalozzo undid the revision by Xsidx saying "we need a verifiable source for that edit". Which might be OK, but there doesn't seem to be a source cited for the bith place being New York either. I poked around a bit and found the following:
*In "Ted Nelson Biography, Hypertext Inventor" at Great Thinkers@suite101 it says: "Teodor Holm “Ted“ Nelson was born in Chicago, Illinois on June 17, 1937."
*The NNDB biography for Ted Nelson says: "Birthplace: Chicago, IL".
*While history-computer.com says: "born 1937 in New York".
*Several sources say that he was raised by his grandparents in Greenwich Village, New York, but I'm not sure that helps very much.
*In response to the search "Ted Nelson birthplace" Google responds: "Best guess for Ted Nelson Place of birth is New York City. Mentioned on at least 5 websites including wikipedia.org, trueknowledge.com and wn.com". But three of the five sources are TrueKnowledge.com and one is Wikipedia, so that just leaves wn.com and that seems to be a copy of or to copy heavily from the Wikipedia article.
If we aren't sure where he was born (and at this point, I'm not), perhaps we should leave that blank. Jeff Ogden (talk) 23:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm on board with blanking it until we can get a proper source. Jojalozzo 23:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I did that. The birthplace is now listed as "United States".  Any suggestions about how we might pin the birthplace down for real?  Jeff Ogden (talk) 03:51, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Need a verifiable, reliable source - biography or autobiography, magazine article... Jojalozzo 13:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

text: My general rule of thumb (although clearly not universally applied nor accepted) is to accept "personal communication" with a living person as grounds for removing incorrect information (espcially if not cited to a reliable source), but not adding it. So agree, perhaps until an obit, sadly, gives more detail. W Nowicki (talk) 16:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Nelson's autobiography, POSSIPLEX, explains that he was born in Chicago, spent several years with his grandparents living in Near North, and then moved with them to Greenwich Village.  It's straightforward, black and white. Chicago.MarkBernstein (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 18:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Jeff Ogden (talk) 20:17, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks too. It's been a while since I checked into here. I too own a copy of Possiplex and will forward this conversation to Ted; I think he might get a chuckle out of it. Either way, I think it's kind of strange, that first hand information of the person in question does not qualify as a credible source. I am well aware of scientific and also Wikipedia standards, but … come on … shouldn't there be a way to work cases like this into the guidebook? mf★rader (talk)  16:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  So where was he born? 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: Is he actually living in the UK currently? I checked his CV  and it says "1997-current: Visiting Professor, University of Southampton, Southampton, England.  In residence Sep 2001-Feb 2002." I could find no other information about where he lives now. Does even a residence of only 6 months qualify one to be included in the expatriate category? Cephalopod (talk) 05:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Residence 

message: Yesterday a book about Ted Nelson went open access: http://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-16925-5
I just read it, and one chapter seems particularly useful, has it is a full biblography of Nelson works. Can I paste it in the article? --Aubrey (talk) 22:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the notice. The bib is so extensive, maybe it would be better to create a separate sub-article and then link to it from the main article.  --Blainster (talk) 06:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full bibliography 

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message: I have an email from Ted asking me to make a couple of non-substantive changes to the article.  These don't seem to have published references, but the existing text is not referenced either.  If anyone has a comment, post it, please.  Keith Henson (talk) 20:30, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not substancive