Talk:John Angarrack

message: The link to the "Falmouth navigator" is dead, and should be removed. As should the unverifiable point it links to.Serpren (talk) 02:46, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead link

message: I question the notability of this article. John Angarrack spends his days selling washing machines and really isnt that notable here in Cornwall for cornish related issues, only popping up now and again to air his views. Personally i think Skwardya (local band) and in particular their vocalist Matthew Clarke (also of Pirate FM fame) is more notable, particuarly for their attempt to get licencing to cover beatles songs in cornish, and the fact he is an active and known campaigner for the cornish language. --Sotonfc4life (talk) 21:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: I removed the phrase "He also believes that the true history of Cornwall and the Cornish language should be taught in local schools," as it is a form of "weasel words" implying, but not stating, that the true history of Cornwall is not already taught in schools.
Also removed the phrase "It attempts to set events in their proper context" with regard to his last self published book. "Proper" being weasel word
Serpren (talk) 02:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason for Edit

message: Should John Angarrack's trade and means of earning a living, as a washing machine repair man not be included in his description? The current description would have us believe he is some sort of author or historian/academic, whereas in fact he earns his living by his trade. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Angarrack & Sons  01208 76336 
45 Higher Bore Street, Bodmin, PL31 1JS 
http://www.city-visitor.com/plymouth/washingmachine.html
There can be no doubt it is him, as Anagrrack is his assumed name, and occurs nowhere else.
DSerpren (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason for edit

message: *"a leading Cornish historian" and "well known." Without proper citations this is opinion. Such PoV is not accepatble on Wikipedia. Changing to "a Cornish historian" avoids this, and is quite an acceptable description. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.153.30.72 (talk) 03:14, 7th January 2008 (UTC)
As far as I am aware, Mr Wilton is not an academic, and has no qualification or standing as "a historian."Serpren (talk) 07:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The words leading Cornish Historian originate from from an article in Cornish World Magazine. I don't speak for Mr Angarrack and know nothing on his educational qualifications, but after a quick 'Google' I found the following on the Cornish World website. Talskiddy 17:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

text: The words leading historian were edited out of the wikipedia article several weeks ago. I only included the article from Cornish World (above) to illustrate where the reference originally came frome.(talk) 10:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Would it help to have a quote from Bernard Deacon's book?  Bernard Deacon is a reputable academic and his book, Cornwall: the Concise History, is published by an academic press of some standing.  Bernard Deacon evaluates Angarrack as a campaigner rather than as an historian. Anagarrack has a distinct POV in his writings. However his view of the history of Cornwall from a Cornish viewpoint has proved influential and achieved remarkable sales. It should not be dismissed as "vanity". Vernon White . . . Talk  14:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

text: There is a difference between vanity publishing and self publishing. DuncanHill (talk) 10:43, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the difference is that a vanity publication has little or no hope of recovering the cost of publication.  This is not the case with Angarrack's publications, which seem to hold their value in the second hand market.  Vernon White . . . Talk  19:45, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you have any evidence that "Independent Academic Press" of Padstow is actually Angarrack alone and not a group of sponsors? If so, please add your note.  It should, however, be fairly obvious that this imprint is not in any way equivalent in authority to a publishing house associated with a recognised university. Vernon White . . . Talk  09:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

text: However, anyone can draw conclusions from the absence of IAP from Google searches.  I suggest that we close this discussion.  Vernon White . . . Talk  09:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Serpren, the words objected to were removed weeks ago. Step away from the horse and put down the stick! DuncanHill (talk) 09:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reason for edit

message: If a citation for the Punk/Haslar period is not forthcoming soon, it should be deleted. Vernon White . . . Talk  07:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Haslar

message: I removed  Our Future is History which no longer links to an opportunity to purchase the book online.  Vernon White . . . Talk  19:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed reference and link

message: Scottish Independence website removed. This is just a ScotNat view on MK with no additional info on Angarrack. Vernon White . . . Talk  19:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed another reference and link

message: John Angarrack fights for Judicial review of policy towards the Cornish removed as it does not give the specific information stated on the link label. Vernon White . . . Talk  19:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed yet another reference and link

message: Which of the following actually help the user find out about John Angarrack?
*List of topics related to Cornwall
*Celtic nations
*Cornish Assembly
*Cornish self-government movement
*Constitutional status of Cornwall
*Cornish people
*Culture of Cornwall
*Gorseth Kernow
*The Song of the Western Men
Vernon White . . . Talk  20:29, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimmed by User:Talkiddy. Vernon White . . . Talk  06:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: See also references

message: The artcle on Cornwall 2000 could also do with some attention. Vernon White . . . Talk  23:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cornwall 2000

message: I can find no information online for either the "Independent Academic Press" or "Cornish Stannary Publications". If these books are "vanity published" then it should be noted.Serpren (talk) 07:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the new book is also published by Independent Academic Press. Amazon hasn't heard of this publisher. Doesn't look as if they have published any other titles.  Vernon White . . . Talk  20:41, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Publisher

message: The link to "John Angarrack's books" and "Publishers description" refer one to http://johnangarrack.co.uk/
This is the author's own website, where he sells his books from, and surely constitutes advertising on the author's behalf. There is no "publishers description, as all the evidence points to Angarrack "self publishing" his books (See debates above)
Is this in breach of Wiki ettiquette? Serpren (talk) 04:27, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't seen this book or any reviews of it, so the publisher is the only source I have, at present.  I am NOT promoting this writer. However, if Dr. Deacon regards him as significant, I think good information about the latest book is valuable, from whatever source.  Vernon White . . . Talk  09:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't have any evidence, do you, that any one of the several editors of this article is John Angarrack? He is certainly NOT unknown in Cornwall. Cool it, please. Vernon White . . . Talk  13:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertising

message: This text was removed from the article - In August 2008 it was announced by John Angarrack's organisation Cornwall 2000 that they intend to lodge a case for the proposed inclusion of the Cornish into the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities with the European Court of Human Rights. For a case to reach this stage however, it must be shown that Cornish campaigners and Cornwall 2000 have exhausted all domestic legal avenues by having the case summarily dismissed by the High Court, the Appeal Court and the House of Lords. Cornwall 2000 claim however that, before such a challenge can begin, they need to raise at least £100,000 to cover potential adverse costs.DjHope (talk) 13:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I removed that text as it belongs in the article on Cornwall 2000 - and indeed it is already in that article. DuncanHill (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The European Court of Human Rights

message: He was born John Wilton as Serpren pointed out above, Angarrack is a pen name. He adopted the name Angarrack as a pseudonym to sound "more Cornish". The name was completely exinct by 1881. - Yorkshirian (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The "real name" is mentioned here and in a web forum but I can't find anything that would comply with BLP policy – do you know if there are any reliable sources for it? snigbrook (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BLP policy clearly states Editors must take particular care when writing biographical material about living persons, for legal reasons and in order to be fair. Remove unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material immediately if it is about a living person, and do not move it to the talk page. This applies to any material related to living persons on any page. Thanks, --Talskiddy (talk) 16:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Angarrack is writing name, Wilton real