Talk:Dilmun

message: What happened to Kramer's theory that Dilmun is further out than Bahrain? Ancient texts call it "the place where the sun rises" which would indicate that it lies east of Sumer, not south. Furthermore, kings like Ur-Nanshe brag about receiving tribute from its "far lands". This brag seems to indicate a fair military accomplishment. Although Bahrain may have been difficult to reach with limited maritime technology, it isn't much further from the port towns than northern Assyria. What is the basis for the claim that Meluhha is the Indus Valley civilization? Unless there is some recent scholarship of which I am unaware, I think this is still an open question.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.107.159 (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Indus Valley civilization? 

message: The following historical assessment is claimed by a prophet of biblical inerrancy to reflect some personal point-of-view:  After its actual decline Dilmun developed such a stylized mythology as a garden of exotic perfections that it appears to have influenced the story of the Garden of Eden. In a reverse process, literal-minded interpreters have sometimes tried to establish an Edenic garden at Dilmun. There are two statements here, which apparently both need to be expanded upon, for readers who have never previously encountered this familiar material. --Wetman 19:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some sources. If the passage continues to be reverted, more sources will simply be added. --Wetman 19:37, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two colorless mainstream historical statements 

message: If it were a paradise for Utnapishtim, I surmise it might have suffered eco damage or at any rate ecological change since. Is there archeological or fossil etc. evidence that the island was previously more lush?Thanks,Rich 20:25, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: External link or links have recently been deleted by User:Calton as "horrible Tripod pages which add little information, are full of ads, and fail WP:EL standards." No better external links were substituted. Readers may like to judge these deleted links for themselves, by opening Page history. --Wetman 15:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted external links 

message: The first contact of the area with Southern Mesopotamia is attested during the Ubaid period, with the finds of numerous sites showing the importation of the ine Ubaid were pottery. Prior to this period, shellfish middens attest to the presence of semi-perminent settlements of hunter-gatherer-fisherfolk of the Arabian bifacial industry tradition.
ine? bifacial? HUH?!? --69.12.157.118 22:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? 

message: Tylos should not direct to Dilmun as they were two different periods - Tylos was what Bahrain was known as by Alexander the Great and the Greeks. It needs a new page and the link removed. Dilmun (talk) 21:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tylos 

message: "To date (2008) archaeology has failed to find a site in existence from 3300 B.C.(Uruk IV) to 556 B.C.(Neo-Babylonian Era) when Dilmun (Telmun) appears in texts."
I find this statement puzzling, because Barbar Temple has been dated to 3000 B.C... Moon Oracle (talk) 20:56, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: following my information; the oldest Barbar temple dates around 2250 BC. I am not sure whether they found older objects, perhaps some kind of heirlooms or older objects traded, but there is indeed so far no settlement on Bahrain, dating much before 2300 BC. At this point the Barbar temple article is not correct. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 21:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I shall follow up on this, I believe the temple's own tourist information states 3000 BC but of course this is marketing... nevertheless, 2250 BC is certainly earlier than 556 BC and contemporary with a lot of the Sumerian texts.  This article http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go2081/is_3_125/ai_n29241079/ states "C. Larsen (1983) pushed the beginning of the temple into the early part of the third millennium B.C.E." Moon Oracle (talk) 08:46, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: my source is (H. Hellmuth Anderson, Flemming Holjund: The Barbar Temples, In: Harriet Crawford (editor), Michael Rice (editor): Traces of paradise: the archaeology of Bahrain 2500B.C.-300A.D. University College, London 2000, , p. 89-92). I wonder whether this is just a theory of Larsen, not followed by others working in that field. best wishes -- Udimu (talk) 09:20, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  No settlements? 

message: Archaeology of the Arabian Gulf, although it generally presupposes the Bahrain hypothesis. — LlywelynII 08:41, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for article expansion

message: All the names you mention in the article on Dilmun are either Arabian or names of civilizations that prevailed in that particular area at the time. Despite all that you write, "The Persian Gulf" without any consideration for the Arabs who lived on both sides of the Gulf until the "Persian" empire's expansion and their occupation of the region to the east of the Gulf. The Persians changed the names of many places and isles in the Gulf, either entirely to give them a Persian character, or to suit their way of pronunciation. Examples of the former would be Muhammara محمّرة (which is now Khurumsheher), Khafajiya خفاجية, Sirb El Thahab سرب الذهب(Serbilzahab, while the latter can clearly be seen in names like Ahwaz أحواز(which is basically the plural of hawz حوز, a property or a piece of land owned by someone), Kish كيش (Originally, it is the name of the isle Oum Qais or Kais أم قيس).Until now you can see Arabian uniform in certain places over there. The problem is the persistence in provoking the Arabs and using the term "Persian Gulf". It should take its name from the Arabian environment, thus the Arabian Gulf. Any logic why it shouldn't?
Jamil Hamada  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.211.102.69 (talk) 19:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been discussed before elsewhere. We even have an article on it at Persian Gulf naming dispute. The most recent debate I can find it at . It isn't a matter of logic, it's a matter of what is the common name for this in English = see WP:PLACE - the whole page perhaps, but the pith is "Our article title policy provides that article titles should be chosen for the general reader, not for specialists.By following modern English usage, we also avoid arguments about what a place ought to be called, instead asking the less contentious question, what it is called." Dougweller (talk) 10:22, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mesopotamia and surrounding Area 

message: Very surprising that the name of Bibby is missing and a reference to his books is not given.
81.14.57.28 (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literature? What about Geoffrey BIBBY? 

message: This article conforms to a highly speculative view that the mythical land of Dilmun was a reference to modern Bahrain.  There are far too many scholarly criticisms of this view, the major one being that Bahrain has not revealed evidence of culture older than about 2200 B.C.   We know Dilmun must be from, at least, 3000 B.C.  This article needs major restructure, and offer valuable mainstream views on the subject.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:882:100:EF90:9F6:663C:7564:4448 (talk) 06:28, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bahrain is not synonymous with Dilmun 

message: What is the evidence that Dilmun was Semitic Speaking?John D. Croft (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Its in the sources attached to the sentence in the section about language.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 09:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Dilmun Semitic Speaking?

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message: This section seems to strongly contradict the introduction and most available research IF it is meant to imply that the major Dilmun site is at the north, near Shatt-al-arab.
Statements such as 'of this era' and 'a site has not been found' are currently meaningless.  
This should be removed or rewritten with adequate accessible references.
In a while, say 3 months, I plan to remove it. Nojoking (talk) 18:17, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard-Carter 'location near Shatt-al-arab'