Talk:Sikorsky R-4

message: If anyone is interested there is a nice photo featuring a Sikorsky R-4 titled "US Navy Antarctic Expedition helicopter returns from survey of South Pole waters. The Coast Guard helicopter is shown landing on the icebreaker Northwind. In the distance are other ships of Task Force 68" on the Franklin D. Roosevelt Presidential Library and Museum web-site, it is dated 1940. Wikipedia:Public domain image resources list this site as public domain. The image can be found at http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/images/photodb/23-0329a.gif. --Thefrood 19:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good picture. Interestingly enough, the attitude of the aircraft implies taking off rather than returning. --Born2flie (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nice Photo

message: The intro appears to tell you more about the Fl-282 then the R-4 suggest that most of it can be deleted as not really relevant. MilborneOne (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with the Fl 282 being mentioned in the article it just need to be balanced and there is not a need for a full history of the 282 in this page particularly in the introduction. I will wait for others to comment. MilborneOne (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Well perhaps because these issues regularly arise with this craft it should be directly addressed  and it could be stated in the introduction along the lines that "the R4 is commonly claimed to have achieved a number of helicopter firsts. However most of these common claims are myths and are more accurately attributed to entirely different helicopters manufactured by other nations. The Four most common erroneous claims are:  1. that the R4 was the first helicopter to enter series production. (reality Fl-282)        2. First Helicopter to take off and land from a ship (reality Fl-265)  3. First helicopter used operationally in combat (reality Fl-265)   4. First Helicopter to be tested for rescue operations (reality Fl-265 and Fa 223)   The R4 received smaller mass production orders than its German rivals yet because its factories were immune from bombing in America, and the German helicopter factories were targeted and severely damaged, the R4 was able to be produced in larger numbers than the German production helicopters. GregOrca (talk) 16:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The intro is not the place for an extended discussion of another helicopter. --A. B. (talk •  contribs)  23:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the entire "Contrary to popular belief" statement as OR. Unless you can find a reliable source the proves such claims have been made, please leave this out. Also, Aviastar is NOT acceptable as a reliable source itself, as it contains copyvios of copyrighted text. You'll need to cite the source directly. Finally, the essay above on mass production is pure origial research. If you want to claim the Fl 282 is the first mass-produced helicopter, find a source that says it. If someone submits a source that claims the R-4 is the first mass-produced helicopter, you'll have to cite a better source that explains why it's not true. - BillCJ (talk) 00:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: More information on the R-6 would be helpful. There appear to have been significant structural differences between that model and the R-4. Drutt (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been looking on and off for reliable sources about R-6 development; the why and how it came about being. I'll keep looking. --Born2flie (talk) 03:29, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: R-6

message: Hmmm - I came to this as I took 'Is' to be a typo or redundant fragment.  But I see the HMS1 often referred to as the 'I' in the refs.  That said, I take it to be Roman numeral 'one'.  Be that as it may, I have reverted the edits but then reworded to make it read more easily. Springnuts (talk) 13:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All British designations used Roman numerals until around 1946, after-which they were replaced by Arabic numerals.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.18.184 (talk) 10:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoverfly 1 or Hoverfly I 

message: According to Flight in 1946 Wing Commander Brie and Squadron Leader Cable flew the R-4 for the first time as an anti-submarine aircraft on a convoy during the war. Is there anything more known about this? eg where they taking advantage of an R-4 being shipped to the UK for British use? GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the article the Royal Navy obtained a number of Hoverfly Is on Lend-lease in late 1943, Fleet Air Arm Helicopters since 1943 details the seven loaned YR-4Bs and gives further details. The idea was to embark two YR-4s and leave with a sea convoy for the U.K These two aircraft will be flown on and used for flight trials during voyage. The two Hoverfly Is FT834 and FT835 were transported by the MV Daghestan from New York in January 1944 as part of convoy HX 274, fitted with floats they were used for convoy protection trials during the voyage. When I get time I will add something to the article. MilborneOne (talk) 20:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  convoy use? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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