Talk:German hip hop

message: A couple of points about this page:
* It's awful - it should be a history, not a list. This is much more important than adding your favorite rappers to the list. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan page.
* People can't just go around deleting groups they dislike (as was just done with Kool Savas) - as this page is unfortunately currenctly nothing but a list, I'd like to remind of the rules currently agreed on in the list of rappers
:"Anybody that meets the following criteria is definitely eligible: 
    Has released a recording on a major label
    Has worked with a performer already on the list
    Has recorded for a minor/indie label if that label is reasonably well-established or prominent
    Has had any kind of hit, even a relatively minor or regional one
    Has gone on tours that cover a large region or an entire country"
These rules by Tuf-Kat sound reasonable and should be adhered to. Furthermore: 
* This list should be in alphabetical order
* only groups that fit the gerne should be included (Seeed is a reggae/dancehall group)
* A brief description of newly added artists would be nice - and why not write about the artist while you're at it...
--Pteron 00:15, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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message: As Pteron points out above, the current version of this article is awful. I am in the process of translating the German article into English. I will update this talk page accordingly when I'm done. 
Acone 06:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major Overhaul Announcement

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: this article is way too long.   it's full of original research, much of which is awkwardly translated.  it's kind of embarrassing to read in parts..   i propose a thorough edit.  a lot of it should just be cut, really.Markeilz (talk) 03:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup needed 

message: You have really not much knowledge of german hip hop in general. I am a german citizen with migration background but i have my A-level graduation and i am listening to german rap for years, mostly to streetrap or however you want to call it in English. The historical part of your article is generally right, there are a lot of details, names and year dates which i not know personally of course. But the way you talk about german rap, like it would be a copy of american rap is totally wrong. You talk like rap would be just a translation of your american rap and that this so called new school gangsterrap would not fit with germany. But you do not know that here live a lot of immigrants, more then in any other european country and that a huge number of them have a complicated life. They live in suburban regions and of course when you live in those housing developments you rap about your environment. But you have your sources and information from articles about groups like puppetmasters or how they are called and groups like them. But really not 5 percent of my generation, the people who are born in the nineties, do know who these rappers are. In the past the rappers copied the americans but today the atmosphere in the german rap scene is mostly anglophobia, that means there is a huge averse to americans. The most young people with migration background and that are 20 million in germany, listen to rappers which are foreigners. And it is totally wrong that we use anglizisms or american slang in our rap texts. Sometimes rappers use some words of arabic or subsaharan languages but never american words or slang. We talk only german in our rap and if there are rappers who would sympathize with american language or the country itself, he would never be taken serious any more. Of course rap comes from america and some parts are in every language assumed but german rap is not copying american rap. German rap is often politically for example against America and the american politic and talks about problem in the social system. It would be good if you would use some actual and sources for your article which represant the general opinion and attitude of the majority of german rap listeners and not the opinion of some old school rappers whith american background of the eighties or nineties who really nobody know any more of the young people today and who nobody interests. That are some advices from a person who live in Frankfurt, a large german town, who is interested only in german rap and its history and who has some knowledge about it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.232.177.121 (talk) 15:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong sources and a wrong view of german rap 

message: "German Hip-hop artists are predominantly of Turkish-German descent" - i doubt that ! are there many turkish-german hip hop artists, yes are they predominant ? i am not conviced this is true  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.243 (talk) 19:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  unproven questionable statement 

message: "By using a German form of Ebonics[clarification needed] to rap, Turkish-German Hip hop artists display the common need for minorities, when using rap as a vehicle of protest, to use language that is somewhat vulgar and improper to express their outrage towards the wrongs society has done upon them.[8] In other words, Hip-Hop, no matter what the language, demands a specific dialect that is controversial to speak in public, but understood, in order for Hip-Hop to deliver the minority artists' message of rebellion, powerfully." - rappers using 'German Ebonics' or 'kanak sprak' (political correctness alert!) are a minority even when it comes to Turkish-German (or other 'migrant background') rappers/hiphop artist  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.243 (talk) 19:43, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  an other unproven questionable statement 

message: while the article mentiones films as Wild Style and Beat Street it lacks to even mention the influence of members of US armed forces (and their families) stationed in Germany in bringing hip hop to Germany  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.184.243 (talk) 19:47, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing point - influence of US armed forces stotioned in Germany 

message: “Because German Hip-hop artists are predominantly of Turkish-German descent (which is the largest minority group in Germany) and are constantly marginalized, they embrace Hip-hop as a music for all minorities to use and create a German "ghetto-style" of rapping when not rapping in English”.
Maybe today most of all german rap artists are arabic or turkish desencent but the first hip hop formations in the 90s were not. Actually this arcticle is missing nearly all big german hip hop acts: :de:Fettes Brot, :de:Absolute Beginner, :de:Blumentopf, :de:Freundeskreis, :de:Tobi und das Bo, :de:Samy Deluxe, :de:Eins Zwo, :de:Massive Töne, :de:Deichkind etc. In the beginning the major hip hop centers were Stuttgart, Hamburg and Munich. The “ghetto-style“ hip hop emerged later (about 2003 and on). Here the major center ist probably Berlin (:de:Sido, :de:Bushido, :de:Bass Sultan Hengzt, :de:Fler, :de:KIZ etc.) In the beginning the german hip hop bands were nearly all sons of “upper class“/ “middle class“ families. Today this has changed and there are many many rappers from lower class families / “ghettos” (actually there are no real ghettos in germany...) (or they are turning their image in this direction)--84.175.68.52 (talk) 01:56, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ranting won't improve the article. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. Ich901 (talk) 15:05, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad! Article is just shit 

message: Hello!
This article was clearly written by a German (conclusions based on my experience as a German-English translator, editing German-native's English writing on a regular basis, the word choice and various grammatical/ punctuation errors/peculiarities point to a German-native speaker) with little understanding of hiphop. Moreover, there is a strong possibly that the author holds controversial right-leaning political opinions. The article is ridden with "original research" and flat out opinions. 
I do not have time at the moment to go through and replace these errors with good information, but I am going to pare this article down so that only actual facts remain. I am also going to edit it to read more smoothly in English. 
I hope that someone who has experience with both American studies and German studies, who hopefully first-hand experience with German pop culture, and who does not hold the cultural-protectionist views of the original author, will have a chance to expand on this article soon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.91.148.123 (talk) 13:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible, biased article 

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message: I do not understand why rappers of turkish descant have a special role in this wikipedia article because most German rappers are not of turkish descant. And there are even more rappers of arab origin than turkish in german rap scene. If you mention how rappers with turkish roots influeces the german rap scene than you should also mention how rappers with russian, greek, african, yugoslavian, arab, kurdish and persian roots influence german rap.
I have a better suggestion. I would replace „Turkish“ and write „people with a muslim background“ or use the term “Orient“ (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient) like it is used in Germany (namely for the North African countries and Middle Eastern countries inkl. Afghanistan) because most german Street rappers have roots in these countries. And if you will look at the Spotify Charts the last two years in Germany you will also see that most of rappers have roots in the Orient there. And of these people I would say 40% are arab, 20% kurdish, 20% turkish and 20% persian (Iran and Afghanistan).
Also when I think of rappers who have a legend status and influence german rap scene a lot I think of Bushido, Farid Bang, Xatar, Azad, Kurdo, Abdi, Hanybal, Massiv, Motrip, Fard, PA Sports, SSIO or KC Rebell - all of them have an oriental background, but not not a turkish one.
And turkish? Only Summer Cem, Kool Savas, Capo, Haftbefehl and Eko Fresh come to my mind. And three of these five rappers are half-kurdish.  Jnnc19 (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish-German hiphop