Talk:Lidice massacre

message: As has been stated under the This is a bad article-heading, this article is making far too many uncited statements that only seem to be there to appeal to the readers' emotions. I especially like the 'semiquoted' parts of supposed orders. Just enough to give the uncritical reader a good idea of how horribly disgusting Nazism was, but there is no citation for it, and it's not really clear if the 'semiquoted' parts are really meant as quotes, or if they're just meant the same way that making quotation marks in the air with your hands is...
My english sucks enough to get in the way of my message here. So, to put it simply: THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT CITE ITS SOURCES!
85.224.199.36 13:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is in desperate need of citation 

message: [Moved by renaming from clueless article Licide to this talk page:] 
Licide is the name of a village that was wiped out completely by the Nazi's during WWII. A reference to it can be found in Albert Camus' The Rebel in which is told that the vilage was the scene of a massacre followed by its complete destruction and removal in the extreme that the landscape would not even show that there ever was a village at that place.
A reference to a article about this massacre can found at www.iut.u-bordeaux3.fr:
" Licide : un massacre nazi en 1942"/ R. Carré ; les prisonniers de guerres allemands sous autorité française/ Philippe Boutté, Elisabeth Briend et Olivier Gilles, janv. fév. 1997, n° 91
Thus it is suggested that Licide was a French village and that the massacre took place in 1942.
A quick internet search didn't turn up any additional information. Does anyone have more information ?
See Lidice regarding the Czech village destroyed during World War II.
:Category:World War II crimes
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A Google English-only search on
: Licide -lice -"Joseph Licide" -"si licide" -"sib licide"
gets 66 hits in the following categories:
* mentions of the medication Licide (without mentioning lice)
* mentions of surname Licide (some as "Licide, Joseph")
* "licide" as a technical term that, like "siblicide", does not appear in two unabridged ditionaries, but from context has to do with "brood reduction" (by parent or sibling, i think)
* other chemical hyphenations paralleling "si- licide", like "disi- licide"
* a few refs that have wording appearing above, maybe copied from WP.
A Google (any lang) on
: "Licide  un massacre nazi "
gets two hits containing "about this massacre can found at ...", as above and presumably derived from WP; the link cited in the former article nevertheless does say, under "Seconde guerre mondiale" (i've reformatted) 
* Gavroche : revue d'histoire populaire 
: Choix d’articles :
:* "J'étais médecin des tsiganes à Auschwitz"/ Lancu Vexler, 1994, n° 74, n° 75-76, n° 77
:* "1914-18, la "mobilisation" des enfants"/ Jean-Louis Pilliat, mars avril 1996, n° 86
:* "(L') Après Nuremberg"/ Jean-Louis Pilliat, sept. oct. 1996, n° 89
:* "Ghetto, shoah, Lituanie"/ Sylvain Boulouque, nov. déc. 1996, n° 90
:* " Licide : un massacre nazi en 1942"/ R. Carré ; les prisonniers de guerres allemands sous autorité française/ Philippe Boutté, Elisabeth Briend et Olivier Gilles, janv. fév. 1997, n° 91
:* "Auschwitz, paradigme de notre temps"/ Jean-Jacques Gandini, sept. oct. 2001, n°119
:* "Témoignage sur les fusillés pour l'exemple"/ Albert Bourzac, sept. oct. 2002, n° 125
There is a fr:Lidice, but no fr:Licide; the missing article fr:Licide further has, if i interpret its what-links-here correctly, no red links waiting for it to appear.
Note that 1942 May 27 is the date of Lidice, and that the Nazis were much better behaved with their neighbors to the west than with the Slavs, and the French town becomes a far-fetched mistake that might be interesting to find the detailed explanation for -- or not. 
--Jerzy(t) 06:14, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
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I didn't know of Licide at the time I wrote the clueless article - I seem to remember hearing about it now, but I didn't know the name. In view of the similarities in the stories, village names and year, I'm convinced it's a simple typo in my copy of Camus's book. 
Can this page be safely deleted ?
--Pardus
: Sorry if i was harsh about "clueless" (even tho i meant the article, not you!).  
: Do you mean this page? No, we'll need it for other discussions, by and by.  Nor IMO should it be blanked, but let's make this a section with a horizontal rule at the bottom, since this discussion should need no further contributions, and little attention (despite having some value in illustrating how we figure things out, and in reassuring anyone else who gets led into the same mistaken understanding).
: Surely you do not mean deleting this talk page's article page.
: But perhaps you mean the page that started this discussion. IMO, it would definitely be better to keep the redirect it has become, for anyone who consults WP for more info on the place Camus referred to.
: I speculated that the
::mistake that might be interesting to find the detailed explanation for -- or not
and IMO the explanation of a typo (or transcription error, by the translator?) is valuable but not interesting enough for mention in the article.
:--Jerzy (t) 20:04, 2005 Apr 5 (UTC)
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I'm reading Camus' "The Rebel" right now and in my edition (1991, p.184-85, though I see there was a recently previous one also in 1984, which possibly contained the typo) the town is definitely named "Lidice" just like the Czech town.  Also, Camus makes no mention of which nation the town lies belongs to; perhaps you thought it was French because Camus himself is French?  And FYI, despite this one apparent fix, the rest of the book is absolutely replete with typos...
Alex8541 (talk) 05:57, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo "Licide" in Camus 

message: (comment moved down)
It says in Heydrich's bio that 15000 were killed but in this article it says 1300. Which number is it?  Bob B.
: Direct number of deaths was over 1000. These included intelectuals and leaders until then inprisoned, people from Lidice and those involved in atentat and their relatives. Pavel Vozenilek 20:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I removed it. Pavel Vozenilek 00:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: The movie mentioned is probably 'The Silent Village' (directed by Humphrey Jennings); I haven't included it, because I'm not completely sure. A comparision is made between Lidice and Cwmgiedd, a village in Wales, and Lidice. It's mentioned in http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice (JoeBlogsDord 23:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for mentioning this; I popped on here to see if anyone could attribute that film with an actual title rather than a vague description.  Hopefully someone can verify this and update the page soon.  Evixir (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added citation. Philip Cross (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: a movie about Lidice was filmed in Britain soon after the event

message: Eighty-eight Lidice children were transported by bus to Lovosice located in the area of the former textile factory in Gneisenaustreet of Łódź on June 13, 1942.
What Lovosice? Lovosice is a town about 40? km north from Lidice. The sentence does not give any meaning. The fact is that 88 children were transported to Łódź. Łódź has nothing to do with Lovosice since it is a city in today's Poland.
This needs to be corrected or explained as soon as possible. Please, cite it. Thank you. Miraceti 15:29, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No doubt citation is required and I am sure that someone shall provide it someday. In the meantime, a bit of clarifications as requested by Miraceti may be fine. I do believe that we should not tamper with the contents as the editors who have added the contents must have read the same sometime somewhere. In fact, many dimensions of Nazi crimes are yet to be documented. --Bhadani (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I do not understand 

message: THE PERSON WHO WROTE THIS VITRIOL IS TROLLING. SEE THEIR []. Particularly this 1.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.5.185 (talk) 18:56, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: the article might have problems.. but many statements that skorpio88 objects to are simply statements of fact. Decora (talk) 16:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a bad article 

message: --Captain Obvious and his crime-fighting dog (talk) 06:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request: separate article of [[Lidice massacre]] 

message: Found some great images on the website for Association Republicaine des Anciens Combattants et Victimes de Guerre de la Marne but I don't speak French and cannot determine the copyright.  Can anyone assist?  I'm thinking specifically of the photos captioned "La destruction de Lidice" and "Les décombres de Lidice" (the latter of which would replace an image already on the Lidice article that will soon be deleted).  Evixir (talk) 18:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional images available, but need French translation for copyright 

message: I have done copy edit work (WP:COPYEDIT) and made edits for concision to the lead (as it should only briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in a concise way - See:Wikipedia:LEAD); I have corrected spelling of words; properly linked words; added properly cited text and removed the redundancy to the article. Like many articles it can use more work and cites added. Please don't revert to prior versions; it will only needlessly create more work, put back up errors and give a less polished version for general readers. Kierzek (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy Edit work done 

message: How is Lidice pronounced in English and Czech?  (lee dice, lih dice, lee dissy, lih dissy, ...?)--Wikimedes (talk) 05:34, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: li-dyi-tse Deiwi (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: Wikipedia policy guidelines require that the article about the geographical location be named after that location, meanwhile the massacre in Lidice could either be a part of its history section or split into a separate article named Lidice massacre. Poeticbent talk 18:56, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks for creating the Czech village article 

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-- Marchjuly (talk) 07:28, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for File:Lidice massacred men.jpg

message: Is this an accurate quotation or translation? "Grownup" is a very childish word, unlike "adult". It really jars in this context. Equinox ◑ 14:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I agree and would change it if it wasn't in a quote; I can't find a copy that I can access directly from the NYT or AP, but https://www.rarenewspapers.com/view/661069 does seem to corroborate this being a correct quotation.  Perhaps a matter of translation/mediocre English knowledge by the transmitter? LittlePuppers (talk) 21:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   I'm inclined to say "if we can't find it, we shouldn't cite it". Equinox ◑ 04:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  the link in my previous post does have an image which contains most of the text of that quote (including "grownups").  A full version of the article I'm sure is available from a variety of sources, just not for free online.  (That is, you could find it online if you pay, or for free if you have access to a library with extensive older archives of NYT.)  See also WP:SOURCEACCESS. LittlePuppers (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phrasing: "All male grownups of the town were shot"