Talk:Bill Clinton/Archive 2

message: I was wondering if mentioning Clinton presiding over Ricky Ray Rectors' execution would be signifigant enough/NPOV material.  It made a big impact on the 1992 Presidential Election and Clinton personally. Zenosparadox 03:56, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Ricky Ray Rector

message: Since it keeps being taken down from the Pardon section of this page, I thought I'd throw it up here.  Now prove that any of the statements in it are factually incorrect.
In August 11 1999, Clinton pardoned 16 FALN terrorists. FALN had been responsible for 130 bombings in the United States between 1974 and 1983. Although he held meetings with supporters of the prisoners, he refused to see any of the victims or survivors of the terrorist bombings. Because of these actions and the FBI publicly stating that the 16 people were "terrorists", U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter. The Justice Department prevented the FBI from testifying at the hearings. The White House also invoked executive privilege during the hearings.
*If you had a list of names, and some sort of documentation for this charge, it could be included, but this bald statement with no proof raises suspicions.  RickK`
Well, I tried.  I expanded the FALN, named names and sourced it. I tried to keep it a short little note, with no opinions (notice that I did not point out that it stategically helped Sen. Clinton when she ran for her office since that is an opinion, not a fact).  But apparently, you people are so pro-Clinton that facts that he pardoned 16 terrorists should not be heard by anyone.  No I didn't make the story up (in fact, it was big news at the time, if you people ever opened up a newspaper). So here's the full section that I put up this morning and has been removed once again, even though nothing has been disputed as a fact, except that it sounds suspicious (note that at least three of the sources are GOVERNMENT websites): On August 11 1999, Clinton pardoned 16 FALN members (a terrorist organization responsible for 130 bombings in the United States between 1974 and 1983): Edwin Cortes, Elizam Escobar, Alberto Rodriguez, Alejandrina Torres, Ricardo Jimenez, Carmen Valentin, Carlos Alberto Torres, Juan Segarra Palmer, Antonio Camacho Negron, Luis Rosa, Oscar Lopez Rivera, Dylcia Pagan, Adolfo Matos, Alicia Rodriguez, Ida Luz Rodriguez, Oscar López Rivera and Antonio Camacho Negrón. Of the 16, eleven of them were immediately released from prison, with nine returning to Puerto Rico and two returning to Chicago. Roberto Maldonado-Rivera and Norman Ramírez-Talavera were already free, but had their fines removed. Oscar López Rivera and Antonio Camacho Negrón rejected their commutations, which included a written statement to swear off violence. Although he held meetings with supporters of the prisoners, he refused to see any of the victims or survivors of the terrorist bombings. These victims and survivors felt that this violated the Victim's Rights and Restitution Act of 1990. Because of these actions and the FBI publicly stating that the 16 people were "terrorists", U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter. The Justice Department prevented the FBI from testifying at the hearings. President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group. With a 311 to 41 vote, the House of Representatives voted to condemn Clinton for the clemency of terrorists ; with a 95 to 2 vote, the Senate also condemned Clinton for his actions.
:What are you talking about?  Your material is still in the article.  I edited it, but all the important material is still there. Wolfman 18:10, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See my comment above about spinoffs. Wolfman 19:25, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Pardons of FALN

message: As president, Clinton was characterized as being a much more "hands on" president than some of his Republican predecessors. While Bush and Reagan had operated under what some critics dubbed an Imperial Presidency of bureaucratic "courtiers," Clinton had much more fickle relationships with his aides, and did not delegate them significant powers. He went through four White House Chiefs of Staff — a record number of men in a position that had once been the epicenter of the Imperial Presidency.
For the record, Ronald Reagan also had four chiefs of staff.  This strikes me as a weak support - although I wouldn't necessarily disagree with the characterization. Mackensen 18:51, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Chiefs of Staff

message: a third of the clinton's legacy section is about nanotechnology.  what?  is that a widely held view? Wolfman 06:18, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: nanotechnology

message: I was surprised at how short and undocumented the Iraq relations part of the article is.  Were there any specific resolutions authorizing the acts of war against Iraq, or did he just act arguing from standing resolutions?--Silverback 15:22, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  undocumented claim that acts of war against Iraq were to enforce UN sanctions 

message: Was clinton ever quoted as actually saying this precise phrase? If not, it shouldn't appear under the "famous quotes" section. I notice that it's not in Wikiquote. PenguiN42 19:42, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
says here he said it Wolfman 00:31, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It's the economy, stupid." 

message: This article at 47KB is overweight and needs to be split in 2. Please put your proposals for how to do so here. Hopefully there will be a consensus by Sunday, so that I can then split the article. I am putting a note to this affect at the top of the articcle so readers can participate in the debate. Squiquifox 21:45, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The most logical solution would be to create a The Bill Clinton Presidency (or some similar name) article, that constituting about half of the current article. I think this would actually work quite well for most recent presidents, in fact, since they tend to have both non-presidential and in-term covered extensively. Kaz 17:14, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed article split

message: And they say '1984'isn't here yet.  What a laugh!  We can edit and rewrite history, remove information, or desensitize it to our liking.  What an interesting concept!
a babyboomer
:Is your theory that we're re-writing history to make it better for Clinton, or worse? Kaz 21:38, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  re-write 

message: I'm not really sure what the point of including the link to the Supreme Court decision is, without discussing Clinton's involvement (or lack thereof) in the case. The case stems from a 1981 reapportionment in Arkansas - a reapportionment which took place when Clinton was not Governor of Arkansas. His name is on the case because it was filed after he was elected Governor the second time, as far as I can tell. I know that the Freepers tried to make a fuss about it, but I don't see any evidence that Clinton was involved in any way other than formally; it might be helpful if User:Nobs could explain a bit more why this link's being included. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 03:11, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clinton v Jeffers