Talk:Xyston

message: I'm not completely sure about its length. Does anyone has a source confirming or contradicting my statement (3-4 meter long)? Nik Sage 10:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only source I have - this image, which I added. --MichałRadecki (talk) 14:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xyston length 

message: Does anyone know the difference between Xystophoroi and Sarissophoroi. I have about 10 books about Greek and Hellenistic warfare and not even one of them have good information about the Xyston and its use Nik Sage * Nik Sage 13:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xystophoroi and Sarissophoroi 

message: My dear editors Kapnisma and Zakronian. It is vandalism to remove existing content in bad faith. There is linguistic similarity between osten, a pointed or sharpen wood stick in contemporary Macedonian and xyston, the spear of the ancient Macedonian cavalry. Keep all the views in Wikipedia and assume good faith. (Toci (talk) 23:52, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if you presented a reliable source about the linguistic connection it's still irrelevant, so don't waste your time.--Zakronian (talk) 00:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not about what one side thinks. It shows all the views. So please stop the vandalism. (Toci (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Report us, if you consider reverting your edit vandalism. A Slavic Macedonian name has no place in an article about ancient Greece, like it or not. --Zakronian (talk) 22:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to report you. Not my style. To explain, we are talking about ancient Macedonian word that exist in contemporary Macedonian. So it is there to stay. Xyston is not a contemporary Greek word for spear in any case and this is article about ancient Macedonia. It is questionable if ancient Macedonia was Greek or barbarian country. Therefore keep the both views in the article and assume good faith. (Toci (talk) 23:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't seem to want to understand. Xyston is an ancient Greek word about an ancient Greek weapon mostly known from its use in the ancient Macedonian army, even if "osten" is a loan from Greek (something that's not obvious by the way) that's not an argument to be used. Nor the lack of conclusive evidence about the ultimate origin of the ancient Macedonians is a reason to add the Slavic Macedonian name. Your language, nation and state didn't exist in any form at the period in question. So where does a Slavic name fit in your "both views". Try to apply it here first, where more people (among them wiki admins) are watching. I quess your POV is based on theories developed in the RoM, which are not considered reliable or worth mentioning (apart from the articles that deal with the modern political dispute as an example of nationalist driven "scientific" research).--Zakronian (talk) 01:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ost is Slavic or Gemanic root for sharp. In Macedonians we us ostar, -ra, -ro for sharp. You can see that the Slovak use ostep for spear as well. It has nothing with Greek and it is not import from Greek. Let me reveal to you that ancient Macedonian language is not surely a dialect of ancient Greek. The ancient Macedonian weapons are unique words who were written with the Greek alphabet. In any case, the linguistic similarity between xyston and osten is there. Dont worry about editing Macedon, the word Macedon was invented in the 90's, probably even in Wikipedia, with an idea to avoid the word Macedonia. Macedon is romantic term of Greek nationalism, same as the term Byzantium two hundred years ago. They never existed in reality. I am in all the talk pages and I am presenting all the new facts. For example they find a coin of Alexander the Great in an ancient Macedonian oltar on Skopje fortress in 2007. Sooner or later both views will be shown, even in Wikipedia. Wikipedia policy is NPOV and for now this article has only the Greek POV. My edit stays to give NPOV. Removing it is vandalism. For the hundred time assume good faith. (Toci (talk) 17:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not in a million years. Bye.--Zakronian (talk) 19:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Macedonian translation 

message: I'm no expert and I don't have the required sources to hand, but to the untrained eye this article looks like it's had a rather rambling off-topic essay on all manner of other topics inserted into the middle of it, conflating that weapon with the sarissa, contradicting the existing material in a poorly integrated way, and opining rather freely. I'm not sure if one of the sources added (a rather clickbaity '10 Things You Should Know' page on www.realmofhistory.com) is especially usable. Is any of this of any value, or would it be better to simply revert to the version of a couple of months ago?  109.255.211.6 (talk) 21:41, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unfocused added sections