Talk:Special pleading

message: I'd like to see examples for each of the bulleted forms of immunity. Can someone provide this?--Bryan H Bell 04:01, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
Would spurious claims of "bias" in the other side (without evidence) be considered a form of special pleading?  Kasreyn 00:25, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's special pleading in the same way that ""Sure, an omnipotent benevolent deity could and would prevent evil, but chicken soup prevents that."  Or "Sure, it's not physically possible to bend spoons with your mind, but Uri Geller can". They are unjustified claims of an exception. -- 71.102.136.107 10:42, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples?

message: Special pleading has a negative connotation. The article needs an example the gives this feeling to it, like the special pleading of a pastor caught cheating on his wife and paying for someone's abortion.216.86.177.36 (talk) 20:06, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: However, we do need to avoid original research.216.86.177.36 (talk) 20:11, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I love the examples currently in there, especially the racism one (racism is prejudice based on race, except for this, because this is prejudice based on race that benefits the group!)  One I'd love to see in there that has plenty of oomph is any peculiar definition of Christian.  Any dictionary will say a Christian is someone who follows Christ, maybe any member of a group that believes Christ was divine.  Yet countless competitive religionists will say "anyone who believes in the eternally co-existent and Biblical Christ, without body parts and passions; and sola scriptura and universal salvation by grace without any efforts on our part but reading this poem, and also the Nicene Creed, and the Apostle's Creed, and the various declaration of the Catholic church even though we don't consider Catholics Christian either," etc. etc.  I see that kind of special pleading daily and want the world to giggle with me!--Mrcolj (talk) 16:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: examples logically ok, but need at least one with more oomph

message: I get the impression that "special pleading" is a technical term in the practice of law in Great Britain. It does not seem to have the pejorative connotations addressed in this article. If this is the case, someone should create a new section explaining the British legal phrase "special pleading".
  Solo Owl   15:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Use by English lawyers

message: A good example of special pleading fallacy is "Everything requires a first cause. Therefore a god/gods/God made everything." which is the same as "Everything requires a first cause. Except for god, of course." This is quite a commonly-used one. 72.242.35.23 (talk) 08:26, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Example 

message: I came to this page to make sure my vague impression of the meaning of "special pleading" is accurate. I leave more confused than ever.
Here is an attempt to illustrate clearly what my understanding of special pleading is:
An exception to an accepted generalization or rule, without a clear explanation why the exceptional case gets a pass. Historical example: 
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." (R. Nixon)   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.171.156.23 (talk) 19:09, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: could say what 'special pleading' is more clearly in simple language?

message: In the Spanish Wikipedia has an article with the same name but referred to a different fallacy. Given the problem of amphibology, I think that should rename this article from the English Wikipedia as Fallacy of special pleading (double standard) or Fallacy of the funnel, or Fallacy special case.https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falacia_del_alegato_especial. Regards--Javiergeografo (talk) 22:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. The idea I propose is to create a new voice: Special pleading, and differentiate the current voice as Special pleading (double standard), for example. There are two different fallacies. Regards--Javiergeografo (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you mean by "voice"? — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 21:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: From the context, I guess “article title”. ISTM (caveat: my Spanish is minimal) that the above article describes a type of genetic fallacy similar to an argument from authority or ipse dixit. This may be a case of linguistic difference; I think we would need English-language references supporting the necessity for disambiguation or forking here. Could be worth adding a see-also, though.—Odysseus1479 22:37, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct Odysseus. I have enough bibliography in English: Clark, J., Clark, T. (2005). Humbug! The skeptic's field guide to spotting fallacies in thinking. Brisbane: Nifty Books.* Dunning, B. "A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 1." Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, Inc., 6 Nov 2007. Web. 12 Jun 2013. <http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4073> * Sagan, Carl. The Demond-haunted World, 1995. Regards--Javiergeografo (talk) 23:09, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Clark, J., Clark, T. (2005). HUMBUG! the skeptic's field guide to spotting fallacies in thinking, page 124 http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/books/humbug.pdf--Javiergeografo (talk) 10:52, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many other books which, so far, I have not gotten access. I quote below that, a priori, I find most relevant: References & Further Reading of "Dunning, B. "A Magical Journey through the Land of Logical Fallacies - Part 1." Skeptoid Podcast. Skeptoid Media, Inc., 6 Nov 2007. Web. 15 Jul 2013. <http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4073>": - Walton, D. Informal Logic: A Handbook for Critical Argumentation. Cambridge/New York: Cambridge University Press, 1989. - Miller C., Miller, D. "On evidence, medical and legal." Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. 1 Sep. 2005, Volume 10, Number 3: 70-75. References of chapter 12 of "The Demond-haunted World", of Carl Sagan: - Howard Kahane, Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life, 7ª ed. (Belmont, CA, Wadsworth, 1992). - Theodore Shick, Jr., y Lewis Vaughn, How to Think About Weird Things: Critical Thinking for a New Age (Mountain View, CA, Mayfield, 1995). - Noel Brooke Moore y Richard Parker, Critical Thinking (Palo Alto, CA, Mayfield, 1991). - J. B. S. Haldane, Fact and Faith (Londres, Watts & Co., 1934).--Javiergeografo (talk) 11:02, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Amphibology problem

message: I checked the citations for both examples and I couldn't find either (ref 4 is dead but I checked it on Wayback and it wasn't there either). The 2nd one had a replacement example in ref 5 so I've replaced it but I couldn't find a suitable one in the existing refs for the 1st. ShabbyHoose (talk) 00:20, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First example is uncited and may be original research