Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Figure Skating/Archive 1

message: Why isn't this "WikiProject Figure skating"? Rfrisbietalk 03:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's also Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey, and there were others I noticed that capitalized each initial letter. Basically I just thought "Figure Skating" looked better. --Fang Aili  talk 13:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed many other projects do this as well.  It just seems all of these projects don't use standard capitalization.  I won't bother to push it though.  Good luck! :-) Rfrisbietalk 15:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikified title 

message: I've asked User:Master of Puppets for an aesthetic overhaul the project page. Hopefully this will result in something that is easier to navigate and better looking. Any suggestions on color, layout, etc. are welcomed. --Fang Aili  talk 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See discussion between me and him here. --Fang Aili  talk 18:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  main page overhaul 

message: Is there no article on the figure skates themselves? I'm sure a lot could be said about the history of figure skates, what they're made of, etc. --Fang Aili  talk 19:35, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skates 

message: I went through :Category:Figure skaters at the 2002 Winter Olympics, added  to everyone, and added some to the to do list, as needed. --Fang Aili  talk 18:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Figure skaters at the (YEAR) Winter Olympics 

message: After a long battle with ParserFunctions -- and I mean, "battle" -- I've built up an infobox at my workbench. It's based on the one found at Michelle Kwan. For an example of the infobox in action, please see another article on my workbench.
Among the more notable changes, Country : Federation has been changed to just Country, and the infobox now has a place for an image. Currently, name, country, status, club, residence, coach(es) and choreographer(s) are all required fields (all of these except residence are readily available from ISU profiles), although that can be changed. Sections for Olympics and World Championships medals (actually Nationals too, although it's somewhat difficult to be notable enough for Wikipedia without medalling at least at a National Championships) are only displayed if a competitor has medalled in that event. I'll post full usage notes on the infobox's talk page in the morning. Comments, please... TheProject 07:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox update 

message: Over the course of my working on the project I'm going to have a whole load of style questions, so I might as well ask.
#Are jump combinations (e.g. triple loop + triple loop) linked using a hyphen or a slash ("triple loop/triple loop" or "triple loop-triple loop")? Does this go for shortened generic forms (I almost always see "triple-triple", not "triple/triple") and longer forms (e.g. "quadruple-triple-double combination")? TheProject 18:41, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the hyphenation better (vs. slashes). So, triple loop-double toe combination, etc. --Fang Aili  talk 20:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

message: It seems to me that "Figure skating at the Olympic Games" is the proper title, but I like the style at "Figure skating at the Olympics" better. I can't do a copy-and-paste replace, I think, so would it be appropriate to ask an admin *cough*Erica*cough* to perform a delete-and-move? Any comments on the style of the two pages? (Oh, and the latter has one row of "special figures". Should that be included?) TheProject 20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually like the style at Figure skating at the Olympic Games better; it has more information--the country abbreviation (e.g. USA), so if you don't know the country's flag, the country is right there. Plus the Host City column, which is cool. Sure, I can do any admin stuff. --Fang Aili  talk 20:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not very picky about the style. Good point about the country abbreviations. Actually, I think the only reason why I like the second style better is because every entry (except 2002 pairs) fits on one line. :-) TheProject 21:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I forgot about this. Will get to it soon, if some else hasn't already. --Fang Aili  talk 21:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Fang Aili  talk 21:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Figure skating at the Olympic Games]] with [[Figure skating at the Olympics]] 

message: I ran into a fair use picture at Shizuka Arakawa, so I've started a section to find free alternatives of fair use pictures, as free alternatives are almost always preferred. TheProject 05:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. --Fang Aili  talk 13:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I switched the main photo for Shizuka Arakawa but I didn't delete the Olympic medal ceremony photo because I wasn't sure if that qualifies for fair use because it's a news event. Vesperholly 21:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free picture alternatives 

message: I've added us to the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team page. This is their boilerplate text:
Hello! We at the Work via WikiProjects team previously contacted you to identify the quality articles in your WikiProject, and now we need a few more favors. We would like you to identify the "key articles" from your project that should be included in offline releases of Wikipedia based on their importance, regardless of quality. So far we have a list of 5 articles, but are there any important topics not listed that we should know about?  We will use that information to assess which articles should be nominated for Version 1.0 (not yet open) and later versions.  Hopefully it will help you identify which articles are the most important for the project to work on. As well, please keep updating your Hobbies WikiProject article table for articles of high quality (B or higher). If you are interested in developing a worklist such as this one for your WikiProject, or having a bot generate a worklist automatically for you, please contact us.  Please feel free to post your suggestions right here.  Thanks! 
So what articles would we like to see on WP 1.0? I'm thinking figure skating and Michelle Kwan, for starters. --Fang Aili talk 16:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In terms of people, I'm thinking recent Olympic medalists. Shizuka Arakawa looks not too shabby. Sarah Hughes looks a little short. Tara Lipinski still has an NPOV tag, but I haven't attempted to settle that in weeks (still on my to-do list). Silver and bronze medal winners too, of course... TheProject 17:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles_for_the_Wikipedia_1.0_project 

message: I just prod'ed Monica Malek-Yonan as an unsourced Olympian figure skater. I'd also like to verify claims that her sister, Rosie Malek-Yonan, is also an Olympian. --Fang Aili talk 15:48, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the sources I've read, it's a little tricky. They're both Olympians in the sense that they made the 1980 Iranian Olympic team, but after the Iranian Revolution, they were not able to participate (the government sold their rink, forced them to convert, banned them from using music -- like that was going to happen!). TheProject 16:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the links! I'll add info to Rosie Malek-Yonan and make a redirect from Monica Malek-Yonan to there, as it seems Monica is not otherwise notable. I don't think we need a stub article on someone who was almost in the Olympics; story can be told on Rosie's page. --Fang Aili talk 18:45, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  prod 

message: I don't think I've gotten much complaint over the career boxes I've put onto some recent skaters (e.g. Aaron Lowe, Yelena Berezhnaya), so I'd like to standardize it for those articles which aren't looking all that great, ordered by year and including Olympics, 4CC, European Championships, and Worlds. Am I missing anything? Thanks. theProject 05:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I ran into a cool-looking medal box on nl.wp: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Grinkov. What do you think? This kind of table has the advantage of laying out the events and years in a more readable format. --Fang Aili talk 15:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career boxes 

message: I created Herma Szabo to fill out the last redlinked ladies' Olympic champion. She came from a family of figure skaters, the details of which I'm still trying to figure out. Basically I need to confirm her parentage, and whether the Christa von Szabó listed at World Figure Skating Championships is her mother. I've left messages at several German-speaking user's talk pages. My German skills are poor, but from what I've read I cannot figure out if Christine married someone with a surname of Szabo, and/or Karl Schäfer. If anyone has insight into this or a reference to an English-language link, please let me know. (Also, the various Engelmann family articles could use some copyediting.) Thanks. --Fang Aili talk 18:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Engelmann family figure skaters 

message: We got our first DYK! It's Nikolai Panin. Woo hoo!!! --Fang Aili talk 13:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK! 

message: I've created WikiProject Figure Skating/List of articles to help organize our efforts. Please feel free to add to it. --Fang Aili talk 20:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of articles 

message: I created a project timeline to keep track of our accomplishments. Feel free to add to it, of course. --Fang Aili talk 20:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: I've started to add medal tables here. I've gotten the past 10 years of medalists added, and I left blanks for the rest. If anyone has time before I get to it, you can find the entire list of medalists listed in a pdf here . Thanks and merci! Vesperholly 18:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for doing that! I made a few link corrections. --Fang Aili talk 15:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian Championships 

message: I've added  (see also: Wikipedia:Persondata) to all men's singles Olympic champions. --Fang Aili talk 15:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persondata 

message: I've requested translations from the German for several articles here. --Fang Aili talk 20:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update: someone's working on History of figure skating (). I'm trying to translate Jackson Haines myself, but I think I can find enough English-language sources to just rewrite it. --Fang Aili talk 13:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  German translation requests 

message: WP:FS now redirects to the project page. --Fang Aili talk 22:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortcut 

message: On the To do list, there are 3 articles under Needs medal table. Each of these does have medal listings in the top right of the articles. What exactly need to be done, or can the be removed from the to do list? --Gary van der Merwe 07:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Howdy Gary. I thought that they could use a table such as is under "Competitive highlights" at Natalia Linichuk. A table like that is much easier to read than a list of placements by year. The ones listed at To do have especially long lists. Cheers. :) --Fang Aili talk 13:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've done Manfred_Schnelldorfer - Have I done it correctly? --Gary van der Merwe 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! --Fang Aili talk 15:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To do list - Needs medal table 

message: Jamie Sale's article has been listed for cleanup on the To Do list for a while now. I expanded her and Pelletier's bios and did some retroactive cleanup to my own favoritism :) but is it enough? Could someone take a look at it and see if it warrants any further cleanup? Or is that entry just out of date? Thanks much. Vesperholly 09:01, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it could still use some cleanup; there's fanspeak here and there. I'll see what I can do. --Fang Aili talk 15:12, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned it up a little further. How's it look to you? --Fang Aili talk 18:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great. That was my first major contribution to Wiki and I was still a newbie with the tone of articles. Thanks. Vesperholly 06:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jamie Sale]] cleanup? 

message: I have, with the help of Titoxd, added a rating ability to . Most of the articles are going to be stub class. The instructions to add a rating are here. Basically you just add "|class=XXXX" after the project's tag on each article's talk page. I hope to also add an "importance" feature, and the ability to leave comments. (I've written Titoxd about that and he will probably do that for us as well--what a nice guy.) Our article stats will be updated each day by a bot, and can be viewed at Assessment, and associated pages (). --Fang Aili talk 18:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you think any other fields would be useful, now's the time to mention it. See , which has a ton of fields. Since we're a small wikiproject, I figure all we need is quality/importance/comments, but any ideas are welcome. --Fang Aili talk 18:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The template now has much more functionality. Click it to look. --Fang Aili talk 13:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality assessment scale 

message: I've been rating a few articles. I've added quality according to the , and importance according to.. well just what I thought the importance was. I figure if a skater has competed on an international level, the importance should at least be "Mid". Skaters who have only competed at the national level should get "Low", unless they are otherwise notable. "High" importance skaters are those who have had particularly successful careers, and "Top" for the most famous skaters. Further discussion on this is most welcome. --Fang Aili talk 13:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, Wikipedia:Core biographies says that only about 200 or so biographies on Wikipedia are to be given top-importance ratings. Now, is this a completely different form of importance scale, or does this otherwise apply to us? I'm a little confused on the whole biography rating scale myself. theProject 16:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't read the Core biographies page, but I have only rated Sonje Henie "Top" for now, given her high influence on the sport. I've been rating most people "Mid", unless they're really notable. You can see how everything's rated so far here, in order of importance. We can work out some kind of internal rating guidelines if enough people are interested. --Fang Aili talk 17:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article ratings

message: Hi, I'm new at this, so I'm not sure of the protocol. Is there any way to split Alissa Czisny off from her sister? Alissa Czisny is a notable skater who placed at Skate America and won Skate Canada. Amber Czisny's career is basically over. Kolindigo 02:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely. You can go ahead and do it if you wish. Let me know if you have any questions. --Fang Aili talk 13:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure how to. How do you rename an article? Kolindigo 14:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alissa Czisny already exists, so you can go there, remove the redirect, and put in an article. Same with Amber Czisny. Then you can make Czisny Twins a disambiguation page, with links to both sisters. Make sense? --Fang Aili talk 15:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does there need to be a Czisny twins article? Kolindigo 19:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Having it as a disambig doesn't hurt. --Fang Aili talk 21:21, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you make a disambiguation page? Sorry, I'm still figuring everything out. Kolindigo 18:08, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite simple. Start an article, and say "X can refer to:" and then list the various items that X could mean. (For example, Mercury could be the car, the planet, or the Roman god, or one of various places on this planet.) In this case, you could disambiguate Czisny into both twins. Just an additional thought: it may be better to leave the disambiguation at Czisny and redirect Czisny Twins there, as is typical Wikipedia disambiguation style. Feel free to ask away if you have any more questions. theProject 19:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. I did that. Please edit if I did something wrong. :) Kolindigo 20:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alissa Czisny]] 

message: Would it be worth it to have a terminology page like Tennis terminology, a place for things like popping jumps, flutzing, lipping, getting chacked, traveling spins, the kiss and cry, etc. Kolindigo 19:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be a good idea. --Tachikoma 20:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, definitely. Great idea. --Fang Aili talk 01:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology