Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 2

message: There are about 15 items from the List of albums on WikiProject Wiki Syntax (at this page). Since you all are interested in this area, I wanted to let you all know about this. Maybe one of you could fix these? --JesseW 05:04, 17 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Lee (talk) 10:26, 17 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Thanks! --JesseW 15:47, 17 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax and List of albums 

message: I would like to announce the introduction of the Music Collaboration of the Week, which aims to coordinate our efforts in improving a music-related article every week. Please come help us decide on the first article to be chosen! --Tuf-Kat 04:40, 19 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music Collaboration of the Week 

message: I just stumbled onto this "project" while looking at an Alex Chilton article I had added a sentence to that mentioned an album. Somehow the album name has a link (leading to a disambiguation page for "Live in London" albums) although I do not recall putting that link in the sentence. Now, what I'm wondering is, am I supposed to make a link on every album I name in a music article? The Live in London album for Chilton wasn't particularly one of his best albums; I just happened to mention it to explain what he was doing during a particular time period. If one looks searches albums named "Live in London" at allmusic.com, you will find that there are scores of albums by that name. Should all have their own album page and be part of the disambiguation page for Live in London? I think for now I will remove the link in the Alex Chilton entry to that album name unless I learn from you folks that you want every album mentioned to be discussed in your wikiproject albums section. Also, I saw on the Live in London disambiguation page that a Strokes album that seemingly was not even released is listed and has its own page! Why??? Do you really have space to list every album that was never released? --Bebop 04:09, 26 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: For well known bands that have been around for many years, if an album doesn't currently have an article, it likely will eventually. For more obscure bands that have only been around for a few years, or only released one or two albums that never had any success or those by garage bands don't usually end up with an article (especially garage bands). Normally, one doesn't create articles for live or compilation albums but again, long standing bands such as Pink Floyd and Rush basically have articles for all of their albums, studio, live and compilation. As for disambiguation pages for albums, if there are multiple albums by the same name, the convention is to either disambiguate using the format: album name (YYYY album) or album name (band name album). Even if AMG lists several albums by the same name, I don't usually bother creating a disambiguation page if none of the other albums are by any known bands (or at least any that I recognize!). --RedWolf 07:28, 26 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Random note: there's also a cute page at List of sets of unrelated albums with identical titles -- although they specifically discourage listing titles like "Live".... (There's also List of musicians with multiple self-titled albums and List of sets of unrelated songs with identical titles....) And no, I'm not following you around Bebop, I just happen to have this page on my watchlist too! --Catherine\talk 17:06, 26 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to follow up on the naming conventions I listed above, I originally used album name (YYYY album) because this format followed the conventions used for disambiguating films and some bands can have really long names which can make the page name rather long for my tastes. With the advent of categories and specifically the albums by year categories, I have now tended to use the other format album name (band name album) although I sometimes drop the "album" at the end. --RedWolf 21:58, 26 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: See Wikipedia talk:Wikiproject Albums/Needs infobox for a possible template & category usage... please comment and improve. --Catherine\talk 06:53, 27 November 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use categories for "Needs Infobox" entries? 

message: Is there a standard for how to show chart positions? The most common format seems to be to use a fixed width font, as in
 1993    Today            Modern Rock Tracks           No. 4
There's been a discussion on Talk:Today (song) about whether it should be a table instead. Personally, I'd prefer a list in this case. Does the Project have an official recommendation?
Also, is there a recommended way to get album cover images besides scanning or photographing a physical copy? I noticed that the Pisces Iscariot cover was taken from Amazon.com. This can't possibly be legit, can it? --Dbenbenn 01:40, 7 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the non-proportional font for chart positions. For one thing, it appears to be a straight copy and paste from one of the various music sites that show this type of info. If there's only one row, it looks awful wit the default style. Verbalizing the position is much better IMHO. Tables would be much better than the above style being used currently on a lot of album pages. --RedWolf 06:51, 8 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart positions? 

message: Well I changed the box for a new infobox, called Template:Original Studio Album. I think we should really start discussing using thisoe kinds of templates in wikipedia. Because the article gets less cluttered and easier to edit, because it gets easier to change templates as it's easy to change skins, because we would make wikipedia more machine readable. Well, of course there are some problems but all could have a turnaround.
Only then I discovered the discussion about the Template:Album infobox. Well, sorry for the double work I just done. But still, There should be more thinking on how those templates work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.55.125 (talk • contribs) 18:37, 23 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, every little bit is a chance that we might find a trick to make the things work ideally! There are some links at the top of Template talk:Album infobox that lead to earlier discussions on infobox templates, seeing what went before might save you some hair pulling (maybe not too much, I'm still pulling out mine after reading it all). --iMeowbot~Mw 19:13, 23 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  I used a template...Ops.. 

message: Whose bright idea was it to have Johnny Cash's first live prison album under "At Folsom Prison" but his second under "Johnny Cash At San Quentin"? --Paul A 00:09, 6 January 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hooray for title standardization 

message: I've just added some text about the consensus regarding creating categories for artists who only have a single album. I didn't want to mess up the main page with these links, but the discussions can be found at:
*Category talk:Ashlee Simpson albums
*Category talk:4 Non Blondes albums
—Preceding unsigned comment added by David Johnson (talk • contribs) 11:39, 6 January 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single album categories 

message: On the talk page for Kerplunk, it asked for the article to be split. So I turned it into a disambig page, also pointing to Kerplunk (album). I tried to find all relevant links and changed them to point to the specific album page. Hope you don't mind, just thought I'd let y'all know. --AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 04:25, 7 January 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Day - Kerplunk 

message: :Category:2000s albums was listed on Categories for deletion on January 2, 2005 with only two comments received which recommended that :Category:Albums by year by subcategorized by :Category:2000s_albums, :Category:1990s_albums, etc. with the relevant children moved to those new subcategories. Although CFD notices were placed, I doubt few in this project noticed. Since most in this project would be affected, I strongly recommend you make your recommendations known on CFD as soon as possible. The normal 7 day voting period has ended but I will add a note to extend it to allow project members to cast their votes. --RedWolf 04:41, 16 January 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest that :Category:Albums by year be moved to Category:Albums by date and that :Category:2004 albums, etc. should be subcategories of :Category:2000s albums, rather than of Category:Albums by year. --Tim Ivorson 13:02, 16 January 2005 (UTC)

text: My vote was twice removed from categories for deletion. In case it stays deleted, could you count one extra vote to keep? I'd just put it back again, but Wikipedia pages aren't loading reliably for me today (and they rarely load quickly), so it would take a while for me to do so. --Tim Ivorson 22:49, 16 January 2005 (UTC)

text: I've worked out what happened. It was an edit conflict (the user who removed vote changed the time of their comment). I don't know why there have been problems today. This doesn't usually happen for edit conflicts. --Tim Ivorson 23:07, 16 January 2005 (UTC)

text: I've got it to stay there this time. --Tim Ivorson 13:41, 17 January 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:2000s albums on CFD 

message: This is somewhat off-topic for this page, but the opinion of folks knowledgeable about the music scene would be appreciated on Talk:Selling out. An anon and I are disagreeing about whether to include a long list of bands who have allowed their music to be used in commercial advertising. He considers it relevant since such bands are sell-outs; I consider it off-topic and POV. More voices are needed to establish a consensus. Thanks. --Isomorphic 18:58, 4 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Without having read the discussion yet, my first thought is that if the anon wishes, they can make a "List of bands whose music has been used in commercial advertising" or some similar article name. Selling out could have a "see also" link to that, with no editorializing on how linked the topics may be. --Infrogmation 19:10, 4 February 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for opinions on Talk:Selling out 

message: Should EP's be included in an album chronology? I'm working on articles for Millencolin's EP's, but I don't want to insert them into the chronology if they aren't supposed to be there. Should I even include a chronology section in their album box? thanks --Mattingly23 18:01, 27 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would normally list an EP with studio albums with note to say it is an EP - like EP Title (EP). They fit into the album chronology in the infobox too. --Moochocoogle 18:24, 27 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What about singles? Do they belong in the chronology in the info box? --Mattingly23 22:57, 27 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they don't. There's a special infobox for singles at the songs project (see my singles topic above) and that include a singles chronology. --Moochocoogle 00:55, 1 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  EP's and Singles in Chronology 

message: I was just editing the page for U2's War and I noticed that the times for the songs and album were much different than the ones I had. I bought the album from iTunes and my files are about 5 seconds shorter than those found on the page (which are also those found on allmusic). I don't believe that the songs from iTunes are necessarily any shorter than CD ripped files, since I checked the songs on London Calling against the copies in the iTMS and they're the same. I don't have a copy of War however to check the real times. What should we do in this situation? I have left it as it was for now but my opinion is to use the times I have (after all, allmusic's been wrong before). --FilthMasterFlex 07:35, 4 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference is probably just the leading and trailing silence. This isn't even always counted the same way on CDs, and variations in counting can be expected for an older album like War that was released when LPs were still commonplace. --iMb~Mw 08:01, 4 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: A very good point, which is made even better by my finding a promo vinyl copy of the album, which lists suggested cuts. The times the record label suggests are the ones listed on the page. So there it is. --FilthMasterFlex 23:18, 5 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time inconsistencies 

message: Although I appreciate the effort being taken by Drak2 to alter the main album infobox for this WikiProject, IMHO the previous version seems like a better looking and tidier one, we should use back the old one. Is anyone with me here? --Andylkl (talk) 12:01, 25 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm torn on it, really. It's far easier to alter this one and it makes for a smaller page size, but I like how the old one looked. --~~ Shiri 15:29, 25 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My first question is, where did Drak2 announce his intentions to make major changes to the look of the infobox and requests comments before doing so? --RedWolf 17:22, 25 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He never did, he just went ahead. I noticed it when he did it a month ago, but nobody really made an issue of it. --~~ Shiri 17:51, 25 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The code for the new infobox is indeed much cleaner and easier, and the new look is cleaner too IMHO. It's true that Drak2 should have said something about making such a major change, but yes, nobody's brought it up until now. --mako 06:04, 26 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to the album infobox 

message: I'm working on improving the Dream Theater article, and I have gone through all their albums adding Infoboxes to each, but I'm unsure of what to do when it comes to music DVDs or VHS videos released by a band (for example DT's Live in Tokyo or Metropolis 2000). Currently I'm just recycling the album Infobox and changing the colour to differentiate it from the albums, but that Infobox contains some unnecessary information for a DVD (for example, producer, which isn't the same in the sense of an album) and could do with some extra fields. Is there a standard way of dealing with music DVDs, and if not, should there be? -- plattopus (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: HAHA, we had the same idea, at roughly the same time too. I guess I'll just add my support for such a standardization. I was looking at the infoboxes that are used for movies, but they, too, have things like producer, director, etc. that aren't really appropriate for a music DVD. So yes, I think that there should be a standard way of dealing with music DVDs. The album infoboxes would be the best place to start. Add a new colour for them, and perhaps a few extra fields for things like audio commentaries, 5.1 surround sound, multiple angles, and whatever else is relevant for music DVDs. --Durga2112 19:16, 30 March 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Great minds think alike ;) -- plattopus (talk) 19:19, 30 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes for music DVDs or videos 

message: A very annoying thing I find is that when the singles and their chart positions are listed underneath the album, ONLY American ones are listed! I can include all the UK Top 40 ones, but then there's that annoying Billboard (North America) tag above the table. What do you suggest I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultimate Star Wars Freak (talk • contribs) 18:13, 7 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just make another box but change the tag, or extend the box. I'm not sure if there's a standard way to do it. I know there are albums with chart info outside of the US and Canada, but can't find one right now. (I seem to recall someone adding Australian charts to a number of articles, perhaps only by Australian bands) --Tuf-Kat 21:40, 7 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only American Singles 

message: According to the database dump of April 6, 2005 there are 4,160 album pages that have  on their talk page. I can create a list page with links to all of them if people are interested. --RedWolf 05:22, 12 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a way to add them to the List of albums by name? That's supposed to be a list of every album in the 'pedia. --Tuf-Kat 21:28, 12 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be difficult as that list is by performer and not by album name. I know SQL but by no means an expert. --RedWolf 04:06, 13 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of albums 

message: I was wondering what the protocol is for obscure bands that have only a couple even obscurer albums, all of which are stubs with little chance of gaining much more substance. Would it be more desirable to merge two album stubs with the artist stub in hopes of one meatier article or leave them as they are? Although probably applicable in other circumstances, the band specifically in question here is the Moog Cookbook and the two albums are The Moog Cookbook and Ye Olde Space Band: Plays Classic Rock Hits. --Krash 03:27, 19 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protocol for stubs 

message: How appropriate is it to include Metacritic reviews in an album sidebar? I personally think it provides a better opportunity for judging new albums than a handful of links to regular reviews. When I added sidebars to articles on two recent albums (Crimes and ...Burn, Piano Island, Burn), I included a Metacritic link under a section entitled "Averaged Reviews". Does anybody have better ideas about how to handle this sort of thing or disagree with me on including it? --Words to sell 09:50, 1 December 2004
:One nice side effect of listing the individual reviews is that the verdicts will survive broken external links. IMHO the Metacritic average would be useful as an additional line item in the review box but not a replacement for what is done now. --iMeowbot~Mw 11:04, 18 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's better to use MetaCritic only for providing a "meta-link" about paper reviews not available online (my example on Furious Angels), the same way links to Buy.com's reports are used. Averages aren't useful because they mix sources you trust and sources you always disagree with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.228.60.174 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 19 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metacritic? 

message: About 30 albums are using this template for their infoboxes, and it has some nasty cosmetic issues (it's awfully wide). What's the best course for dealing with these? Fix the template, or edit the articles and try to make the template go away? --iMeowbot~Mw 07:35, 18 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer the template to be fixed, but we don't really need it. I haven't ever used it. I think that it's nice because it looks easier to put into a page than the normal infoboxes. --Tim Ivorson 15:48, 18 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. In the discussions from this summer, there were some concerns that there might be unusual text that would get in the way of using a template. What I'm thinking to do is steal ideas from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Template_test to give Template:Album infobox the expected look, and point people here for the boilerplate (in a big comment or something) if it doesn't work. Does that seem reasonable? --iMeowbot~Mw 20:03, 18 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can make the template work that would be great. I used the template on just one album (My Favorite Headache) but the existing template just has too many problems with it, partly due to limitations in the Template mechanism. I really don't like the workaround solutions others have used. The most common one is breaking up one template into several helper templates. IMHO, that's just a hack. Templates really need to be "fixed" to support optional parameters but the usual response to that is they don't want to make templates seem like programming. --RedWolf 20:16, 18 December 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I'd have bought an argument that overly complicated macro/script stuff might make the servers sweat too much, but the programming thing is weird. Wiki markup already has that "programming" feel to it 8) All right then, two steps: cosmetic issues first to deal with existing articles (band aid applied --iMeowbot~Mw 11:24, 19 December 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Album infobox 

message: In writing the article Autobiography (album), I've been fairly liberal in using lyric excerpts in discussing the various songs (in addition to liberally quoting critical reviews, cited). But what is the feeling on doing this? Is it discouraged, or is fine to use excerpts in this context? --Everyking 22:59, 20 November 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been quoting lyrics very liberally on Furious Angels (10 to 15 verses for each commented song) in a condensed format intended to provide the gist of a song using concatenated lyrics. I think it's Fair Use since it's still an excerpt, in the context of an album overview or analysis, and the concatenation itself is a form of analysis of the song's topic. --213.228.60.174 12:27, 19 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyric excerpts 

message: Hey Guys, I just noticed something troubling and I didn't know if I should bring it up here or on WP:CFD; I generally have luck going through wikiprojects though so I'm trying this first. I noticed that there are both :Category:Soundtracks and :Category:Soundtrack albums. Soundtracks has more entries and seems more polished, and that term seems more appropriate. Does anyone have any problems with me going through and recating all the "Soundtrack albums" articles, and deleting the category? --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for soundtracks? 

message: As far as I know, there are two alternative 'looks' for albumboxes. There is one using ordinary wiki markup (like in Murmur (album)), a template following it (Template:Albumbox) and another, different template Template:Album infobox. The latest one is the ugliest and the clumsiest. Its heading blocks snap before the borders of the box, which looks rough. Its reviews section looks sketchy and is horrible to edit. The another template has also drawbacks, like the wrong placement of the chronology section. I like the ordinary wiki markup box best. It also looks clearest to edit. I know it doesn't have any central control system for its look, but I don't think that it is a big drawback compared to the other problems. Now I am curious of who decides which albumbox model you advertise in the project page because I think that you have chosen the worst one available. Actually the section in the project page is more than an advertisement, it looks like a recommendation or standard. --Hapsiainen 22:57, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albumbox models 

message: I just entered a new article for Telluride Sessions, an only album by a bluegrass supergroup. I have the 1998 re-release of the 1989 album (both were on CD and the earlier on vinyl as well). When searching the Internet for reviews, I discovered that the 1989 release had a different cover and a slightly different title: The Telluride Sessions. I'm not sure how to indicate this information in the article, especially in the infobox. Any suggestions/edits would be appreciated. --Acjelen 06:40, 27 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The re-release of Pink Floyd's Relics had a different cover although it was based on the original cover. The original cover is used as the infobox cover with the re-release cover underneath the infobox. --RedWolf 05:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earlier Release 

message: Do people agree with me that singles are more correctly a subcategory of songs than of albums and should be covered by the songs project instead of this one? Right now it is covered by both. The infobox in the songs project is actually tailored especially for singles (as singles are more well known than 'album tracks') and the boxes for other types of song are derived from that. --Moochocoogle 23:32, 16 February 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that singles should stay, at least for the ones that are not apart of a full length album. For example, Aphex Twin's Windowlicker is a single, but it did not appear anywhere else on a previously released album. Another example on the top of my head are the Black Flag singles, such as Louie, Louie (later rereleased on the compilation The First Four Years), Annihilate This Week, and I Can See You. --Jivi 08:21, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: I was kinda getting sick of writing it in all the time, so maybe we can start using this template. Use the link to actually see the template. Working example would be:

--WB 08:17, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album cover information template 

message: I believe this is the right place to ask for help in tracking down albums that are released under copy control format. I created a category for albums released under copy control and other related information... :Category:Copy_control. I also created a template to be put on pages of such albums... Template:Copycontrol Good luck in hunting down copy control logos in album covers. Note that this is only for the "standard" copy control format a super project can be created to track down releases in other formats alike. How about a subcategory for artists whose music has been released under copy control? Should the albums be moved to a "copy control albums" sub category? Any other ideas? --Easyas12c 20:14, 6 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the same album is released under copy control in all countries. Also there are several non-CD formats. --Secretlondon 21:46, 1 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy control album releases 

message: I've created a new list, List of albums which include 20 or more tracks. If anyone knows of such albums, please contribute. -- Grue  06:59, 4 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Are compilations included? Even if they weren't, the scope of the list seems too broad. You'll see that when the list keeps growing. --Hapsiainen 10:12, 4 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new list needs populating 

message: How would you place two pictures in the album cover box? The new infobox tenplate kind of restricts that.. --Madchester 03:26, 11 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion would be placing the original or most commonly used album cover in the infobox, and place the other picture in the article body. Just my 2 cents... :) --Andylkl (talk) 06:25, 11 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You can also combine two pics into one, putting one under the other with Photoshop or some other tool. -- Grue  07:06, 11 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Corel PhotoPaint it is! --Madchester 06:52, 12 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 pictures for one album/single, etc. 

message: I need to categorize some EPs, but I see we don’t have categories as we do for singles, albumes, greatest hits, etc. I have seen that some website refer to EPs as singles, so I thought it could be possible to cagegorize them just like that, but Ii’m not sure. So... What should I do in these cases? Regards, Luis María Benítez 23:07, 24 June 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble with categorising EP's as singles is that currently singles are a subcategory of songs. EP's are generally more like albums than singles in that they do not have one main track and then supporting tracks. EP's are currently covered under albums and are listed as albums in discographies. I think they are often categorised as singles because of their running time - making them eligable for singles charts instead of albums charts. --Moochocoogle 16:58, 25 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about EPs categorization? 

message: Thanks for the answer. I have published an article about Rokk í Reykjavík, which was a documentary broadcasted on the Icelandic TV by 1982 and later released as a VHS and a double vinyl compilation.
The VHS features short interviews with the musicians and some concerts. The compilation is exactly the same, but with the exception of the interviews. Even further, the covers have slight differences.
So, I was thinking in extending the original article adding the VHS information and its cover. I also have a full list of credits. What do you think? Is it possible to categorize this article as a film and album at the same time or should I split its content into two separate articles? Please, let me know. Kind regards, Luis María Benítez 22:18, 26 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split an article? 

message: After my edits to the two Gorillaz albums were reverted, I would like to suggest that the times in the tracklisting for the WikiProject be amened and improved. Please see MCMXC a.D. or the reverted articles in question ( and ) for the suggested format and the talk page for the reason. --Andylkl (talk) 15:18, 28 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tracklisting and times 

message: Need a bit of help with this article...namely, is there any way I can get the "chronology" section off the infobox, since it's only a one-off label compilation and thus has neither an "album before" or an "album after"? I can't seem to figure out how to do it. Thanks. --Bearcat 06:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way I can figure out to do it, is to go the template page and edit it, copy the table code, paste it in your article and remove the code for the chronology section. You'll have a lot of ugly table code in the article instead of the quite clean template code, but it'll do the work. --Teklund 11:21, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Take Penacilin Now 

message: A band I'm interested in (Rustic Overtones) has released several promotional recordings which weren't ever offered for sale (but, they still exist and can be purchased from eBay). How should they be categorized? What about singles that are only released to radio stations? --Ottergoose 15:00, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Add them under a new category "Promotional recordings", explaining how they were released. --Gika 17:10, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: So, for each page created for the promotional recording, the info box's next/previous titles should be other promotional recordings? That's what I was getting at... --Ottergoose 15:48, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's up to you. Some people include even singles and EPs in infoboxes of regular albums. Personally, I would use a separate chronology for promotional recordings, as you suggested. --Gika 18:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about promotional albums? 

message: When a CD is described as an "EP" in the infobox, the "EP" is often linked to EP. This no longer redirects to Extended play. Is this link specified in the template, or does the person adding the album infobox specify it? (Sorry for stupid question - not sure I understand how the template works!) --Bobbis 00:59, 5 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The link is specified by the user. If you still find some wrong links, you can correct EP to EP. --Gika 18:13, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  EP link in template? 

message: Is is possible to add the lyrics link to the albumbox? The way I see it, it is a part of the album and it does not belong in the external links section where misc other info should be placed. Take a look, for example, at the albumbox for Demons and Wizards and how I've formatted it and tell me what you think. --DB0 12:02, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics link on the albumbox 

message: Just asking this here, as this page appears to get a lot more attention than the album infobox talk page itself :)
When using the infobox, is there any way to prevent some of the categories showing up for which I don't have information, or will there always have to be the question marks showing the missing data? --Mallocks 21:40, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Once you have created the infobox in your article from the template, you may remove the items and question marks that you don't have the info for. However, this makes it more difficult to add them later. --Gbeeker 21:21, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album infobox 

message: This article needs lots of tender loving care. --leigh (φθόγγος) 19:18, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I did what I could with it. --Gbeeker 20:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Should the Fire Die? 

message: Hi folks,
I just wanted to let you know about a new list of deletion debates related to articles on songs and albums. You can find it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Songs and albums.
If you find this list useful, please help maintain it by adding new items or archiving old ones. Thanks!
Oh, and please feel free to join WikiProject Deletion sorting. We need all the help we can get.
Cheers,
--Visviva 15:15, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion list 

message: Is there any available or planned method for dealing with split releases (e.g., Like a Virgin EP by Harkonen/These Arms Are Snakes) in the infobox template? In particular, any suggestions on dealing with the seperate chronologies? Will the additional chronologies have to be added manually? --Rynne 02:43, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split EPs/Albums 

message: Uh, speaking of things that are fugly, what is with the chart trajectory seen on a lot of album (and song) articles. For an example, see Jagged Little Pill. 1) I'm not even sure if this info is useful to anyone but 2) if it is, there has got to be a better way to display it without screwing up the page width and stuff. At least on my firefox browser, it looks horrible. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 17:07, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chart Trajectory 

message: Obviously Led Zeppelin IV is not the actual title.
*Some editors contend that the actual title consists of the four symbols depicted in :Image:Zoso.svg
*Others believe these symbols (each of which represents a band member) are merely artwork, intended as obscure signatures perhaps, and that the album has no official title.
*If somebody can prove it has no official title (which does not equal "no textually rendered title"), it should be moved to Untitled (Led Zeppelin album).
*But even if we do concur that the intended title of the album is, in fact, , the plot thickens. What would be the most appropriate facsimile title (within wikipedia/unicode technical limitations)? I would suggest Zoso due to the uncanny appearance of the first symbol (that of Jimmy Page) and the fact that "Zoso" has no other possible meaning. But such a transliteration seems likely to offend astrology/magick enthusiasts (who will be happy to inform you that it represents capricorn, saturn, etc., and not letters of the alphabet by any means). However, the other proposed surrogate title, Four Symbols, seems too wtf-ambiguous IMHO.
*It appears that most of the usual sources list it as Led Zeppelin IV, and are therefore of little help. So perhaps this is the best title due simply due to its prevalence of use?
*I figure if no consensus can be reached, the article and its two dozen redirects should be moved to the (willfully unitalicized) "Led Zeppelin's fourth album" with a notice stating that the official title is a matter of dispute.
If somebody else could step in here I'd appreciate it. --Freakofnurture (talk) 11:47, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wikipedia policy is to give the best-known or "most recognizable" name, not necessarily the officially correct one. --Wahoofive (talk) 17:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title dispute over album most widely known as Led Zeppelin IV 

message: Which looks better, be honest. The infobox for Paranoid or the infobox for Dirt? I think the Paranoid one looks better. --Redwolf24 19:50, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: They look pretty similar to me: both rather unattractive. Perhaps you're referring to the dirt on the project page? --Flowerparty 19:55, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither is using the proper album infobox template... And I don't really see any notable difference between the two, either. --Fritz S. 19:58, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Both are ugly; the latter is cleaner however. --madh 23:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment on style 

message: I propose this change: how about using colored text with reviews? Such as making their rating text a green, black, or red color corresponding to the review score. Obviously, green being positive, black being neutral, and red being negative. --Sdornan 05:24, 25 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Who are you that is proposing this? Nevertheless, I vote no to having different colors for reviews, it would be too distracting. --RedWolf 05:57, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a Rotten Tomatoes thing... --Madchester 00:46, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done well, the different colors would actually look very nice. Better than the infobox colors we have now. --madh 23:46, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colored Review Listings 

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thread_title:  Albums listed for deletion at Articles for deletion 

message: According to the first rule of this page, "Unless there's extenuating circumstances, greatest hits and compilation albums don't need an article." This hasn't really been followed since I put it there a very long time ago, and it irks me because I don't really see how your average greatest hits album could ever be much more than a track listing and a few other details -- I'd rather combine all the greatest hits albums by artist into a single article. Thoughts? --Tuf-Kat 17:53, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree somewhat. But I think if an artist has only one compilation album, it should get an article. If they have several Best of... albums, these can be combined as one article, especially if they follow the same naming scheme (e.g. Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits Vol. 1, 2, and 3 might be combined as sections of Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits even having been released decades apart). Might an exception be made for a Hits album which also contains a significant amount (3+ tracks, perhaps) of previously unreleased material? --Freakofnurture (talk) 06:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a difference between artists who have lots of different greatest hits albums - and those who produce one greatest hits album as a career finale with unreleased tracks, singles etc. The latter should certainly get articles imo. We clearly don't want to have an article on every Marilyn Monroe compilation. --Secretlondon 05:38, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caruso recordings (various articles) --Wahoofive (talk) 23:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greatest hits 

message: I came upon the page for In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, which seemed to be about both the song and the album. It didn't have an infobox or much about the album, so I split it into In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (song) and In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (album) and added the infobox to the album page. Now I'm sort of having second thoughts though, as to whether the song warrants it's own article, or that information should be part of the album article. Anyone have any input? --Foxmulder 00:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As Iron Butterfly are widely known almost solely for that song (though there are obviously other fans, I have another question: How much information is available in the pages on their other albums? If In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida (album) has significantly less/different content than their other album pages, I'd recommend the song and the album pages be merged. That recommendation is based on my interpretation of common sense, not on any particular Wikipedia rules, and I certainly don't have a strong opinion one way or another, but here's another consideration. --134.241.113.30 13:08, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida 

message: The main Big_Star page has no link to any page on #1_Record. Meanwhile, the infobox on Radio_City_(album) links back to the previous album, #1 Record, which, as you can see, looks for the nonexistent "1_Record" section of the Radio City page. There should be an article on the first album -- if only a stub for now -- called "Number_1_Record" or something like that and shown in article text as "#1_Record". I've searched for it before and come up with nothing, and the question I raised on Talk:Big_Star has no definitive answer yet, with one user in agreement with me. Having no experience in this matter I thought I'd come here and ask you all for feedback... or for someone who also likes Big Star and knows Wikipedia in and out to make a stub : | Thanks. --134.241.113.30 13:37, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Star's first album 

message: Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but I have been observing that there are inconsistencies in the centering of the album name and the "Album" by "Artist" below the album cover. Some have it centered, while others do not. Is there a way for these things to be automatically centered, because it would be a monumental task to go through the many albums that Wikipedia has and center them all, and I know the rule of thumb is not to use HTML? --Cumbiagermen 22:10, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centering Album names and such 

message: Discussion is occurring at Talk: Album about Album redirecting to Album (music), at the moment it doesn't. --Commander Keane 18:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Moot. All the links are done now, and I plan to put this on my list to be sure new ones don't pop up. -- BD2412 talk 19:26, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album redirect 

message: Template:Album_infobox_2 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Album_infobox_2. Thank you. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:Album_infobox_2 

message: I have added my suggestions on this matter on the Wikiproject talk page. As I discuss, applicability of redirecting to albums in all cases is discussed. --Capitalistroadster 09:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability Criteria for Songs 

message: A question here, should remix albums be considered as compilation albums and be given the darkseagreen infobox colour or should there be another seperate colour for remix albums? --Andylkl (talk) 17:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly an interesting question. Yeah, off-hand I think it would fall in "other compilations", so that would indeed be darkseagreen. Just from reading the remix albums article, it doesn't seem as if those albums are so commonplace as to have a pressing need for a seperate color/category. --Liontamer 20:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remix albums 

message: It would be nice to have an agreed style (or styles as may be necessary) for discographies. The List of discographies leads to a number of pages that suggest we're currently making it up as we go along. Personally I like David Bowie discography but I'd understand that some bands attract people who desire more detail. --bodnotbod 05:08, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Manual of Style gives guidance on Standardized appendices, but we are lacking a guide like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) for bands (or any group of people, for that matter). Personally, I prefer simplicity. --Jkelly 06:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discographies - do we have a style? 

message: Does the publisher = the label of the CD? --Dangerous-Boy (talk) 18:57, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: no, it does NOT, they are completely different things! The record label owns (or has paid for a license for) the sound recordings on the record. The publishing company owns the (mechanical) copyright on the musical compositions (songs) which have been recorded. --feline1 19:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publisher = Label? 

message: We need a section that contains general guidelines for a song title format after a discussion about an Avril Lavigne album. I've come up with some guidelines based on this and the CDDB policy. Please discuss the following:
*Track titles should be listed as they appear on the first release of an album unless:
**They appear in all lower case letters, all capital letters, or there is a discrepency. In this case, an alternate reliable source should be used that does not use that naming convention (ie. an official website). If none exists, standard language rules apply.
*Remember, don't correct a deliberate 'misspelling' by the artist.
*If a track has no title, specify "Unknown" as the track name. If the track has no title, and no audio, specify "Blank" as the track name.
--Nabber00 03:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't really followed the specific Avril Lavigne debate, but I think normal capitalization rules should apply except in unusual circumstances. If a song is deliberately all lower-case for example, because the musician chose for it to be that way, then we should follow that. The vast majority of the time, I doubt the musicians/songwriters really care very much themselves, so we should follow ordinary english rules (capitalize first letter of first word, and first letter of all words that aren't prepositions, conjunctions or articles). --Tuf-Kat 21:45, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That has been discussed on the Avril page a little. The problem arises in determining what the artist wants. How do we know? There needs to be some authoritative source, which I try to outline here. --Nabber00 04:32, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Should the word is be capitalised to Is? It's a verb, but to me it is a minor word in a title! Someone has moved the album God is in the House to God Is in the House and I was wondering if there was a convention. Thanks, Marky1981 22:36, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Internal articles, prepositions and conjunctions are the only words that should not be capitalized in a title. --Gika 23:59, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Album titles and band names. --Flowerparty 09:17, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Printing track titles in BLOCK CAPITALS or all lower case is generally a decision taken by the record sleeve designer, an issue of presentation and appealing typography, FOR THAT SPECIFIC PRINTED CONTEXT. It surely not appropriate to continue to use this in a different context such as an encyplopedia article. (Would we also print an artist's name in block captials becuase they were listed on an album sleeve note that way?) The only exceptions I can think of would be where there is a particular artistic point or meaning involved in that particular spelling/typography. I had (and lost) this argument, for example, with the band Neu!, for whom I argued their block capitals and exclamation mark "NEU!" was a deliberate Pop Art device, and important to reproduce, but others disagreed. The compromise was to use conventional typography but to add an explanatory note to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feline1 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track Title Format 

message: Should the tracklistings of albums which were originally released on vinyl or cassette tape be split halfway down the list to indicate which songs were on Side A/B? There are many records where the fact that a song ends Side A or begins Side B is a noteworthy aspect of the release - something which is often lost with newer CD versions. --Burn the asylum 18:44, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say that if it is notable, mention it in the article. But I vote to not split up track listings for A/B sides. --Cholmes75 16:53, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider album sides to be an important aspect of the track listing. Album sides represent the way in which an original work of art was first released, and in many cases the juxtaposition of the side one/two split is as important as the track order. Abbey Road is an excellent example. And even if not specifically intended by the artist, the split was most certainly an integral part of the listening experience due to the effort required to manually flip the record, and the pause experienced in listening. In that way, the side one/two split can be considered along the same lines as acts of a play or opera. Of course, this juxtaposition has been largely lost in the CD age, including on vinyl albums that have been subsequently re-released on CD (although a number of CD-only albums make an explicit effort to divide the album into artificial "sides"). However, for albums released before the CD age, the inclusion of sides in a track listing is consistent with Wikipedia's encyclopedic nature — if a reader wants to merely find out a track listing, this can be gleaned easily from the album's Amazon listing, but the division of sides (an important historical and often creative component of the album) can be more obscure and is thus a valuable addition to an encyclopedic entry. --Bjhtn 04:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dividing Side A/B Tracklistings 

message: Is there any policy about unreleased sessions?  I've come across this issue a couple of times, and it might make sense to have some stance about this. In particular, I've come across this issue with Dave Matthews Band's Lillywhite Sessions and a panoply of Ryan Adams' albums (The Sweden Sessions, 48 Hours, Destroyer, and The Suicide Handbook). I'm sure there are more out there and there will certainly be more in the future (if any major artist abandons a session, it will surely make its way onto the Wikipedia). --Weebot 05:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreleased Sessions 

message: Just curious, what do we categorize Live EPs as in regards to their infobox color?  EPs or Live albums? --Weebot 01:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it could go either way, but I'd give them the "live" infobox — my reasoning being that since we assume "album" to mean "studio album" unless specified otherwise (with the "live" infobox), we should likewise assume "EP" to mean "studio EP" unless specified otherwise. --keepsleeping say what 01:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: alright, then..for clarity, would there be any objecttions to me chaning the style manual to say "Live albums" to "Live albums and EPs" for the color-coding? --Weebot 02:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. And I wouldn't object at all if it read "Live albums and live EPs". --Jkelly 02:36, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Madchester, do you have any objections to this? --Weebot 06:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you consider I Might Be Wrong a live EP? It's 44 minutes (Pablo Honey is 42) and 8 tracks long, which more than qualifies for being a live album. --Jiy (talk) 21:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: First, the time is wrong (I just fixed it). That time was carried over from the Amnesiac infobox, so Pablo Honey is still longer. Second, Radiohead releases large EPs anyway...My Iron Lung has the same amount of tracks, and Comlag is nearly as long as I Might Be Wrong (as a point of comparison, both Comlag and IMBW are longer than either Strokes album). Thirdly, it has been refered to as such by others. It's debatable, yes, but the scant track listing and Radiohead's history of releasing long EPs would square this away with those rather than as a full album, in my opinion. --Weebot 08:16, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "I Might Be Wrong" was billed as an EP by the distribution company, it carried an EP pricetag. --Tokle 13:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Might Be Wrong, among others