Talk:Damien Hirst

message: This article is inaccurate or misleading.  At one point it credits "Away from the Flock" as being created in 1994 yet it was also allegedly vandalized or destroyed in 1993.
* According to the August 1994 Daily Telegraph article which is reprinted in Hirst's book, the artist Mark Bridger vandalized "Away From The Flock" in May 1994. --Wedneswolf 03:53, 2005 May 26 (UTC)
Mark Bridger was not given two years 'probation' but a suspended sentence with no fine or costs to pay. MJB  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C7:59A7:8B01:688D:C965:D961:5095 (talk) 10:27, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Away from the flock

message: * Does the Anagram in the Trivia section belong here?
I agree, and have deleted it. Thanks for making the comment. I put it in, because I was covering all aspects, but I felt afterwards it let the article down. I've removed the "joke" too, but it's below if anyone wants it. Tyrenius 21:30, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anagram and joke

message: *This joke is derived from Hirst's use of employees to make his work: 
:Q: How many YBAs does it take to change a lightbulb? 
:A: None. They get their assistants to do it because they've got a drinking appointment in Soho with Keith Allen.(Hirst superstar, Channel 4 website)
I have added a trivia section, with two pieces of information on his helicopters. I don't have any sources that I can link to, but I am a member of Cotswold Gliding Club and I can confirm that he was there today, as he is regularly The chicken lady 23:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Direct quotes from Hirst including the words "fucking" and "fuck" had letters replaced by asterisks. I reverted this as it is against Wiki guidelines, as on Wikipedia:Profanity:
:A profanity should either appear in its full form or not at all; obscene words should never be bowdlerized by replacing letters in the word with dashes, asterisks, or other symbols. This guideline is especially important when quoting relevant material. Tyrenius 00:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Profanity

message: I have taken the following out of the article. The ref given is a spoof site, but the incident did happen and there is at least one national newspaper mention, which should be used. Also the wording of "took legal proceedings" needs to be confirmed for its precise accuracy. Tyrenius 12:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In 2004 lawyers acting on the behalf of Mr Hirst took legal proceedings against Simon Phillips for a website that lampooned the artist. The Damien-Hirst.co.uk files 
Just wondering, since I spotted that sculpture photo from 2009(?) (this picture) on this article and was immediately struck by a similarity between that and another piece of... well, I know I'd call it art but people have argued with me about that before, lol (:"D <3)... by Gunther von Hagens this... er... piece (I tried to find the picture on the official Body Worlds site but had some trouble due to my dial-up being obstreperous, sorry) and I was curious if this was a case of artistic/conceptual influence, outright copying (whether sanctioned homage or otherwise), or just "minds thinking alike"? Anyone know?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.163.152.111 (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright

message: Are the spots really coloured at random, or is that just a loose way of saying "with no obvious pattern"? William Avery 22:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently colouration is random using household paint charts, so it operates within pre-defined parameters. Tyrenius 01:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. Looking at the article on randomness it seems to comply with the "non-scientific" definition. William Avery 08:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Not quite. Dots of a colour are fairly evenly spread out over the paintings. DH specified that there should be no pairs of dots. So not random. Random in the sense of a non-mathematician filling in a lottery card "randomly".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.231.67 (talk) 11:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spot paintings 

message: I was searching for a picture of Some Comfort Gained when I stumbled across this image:  It is a photograph of a miniature parody of Physical Impossibility (the shark tank) made out of LEGOS! It actually looks pretty neat. I was wondering if anyone would like to put a link to it somewhere on the page. There are also these:  . --H3xx 14:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In external links section there is already a link to the Little Artists lego shark tank. Tyrenius 23:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Parodies, criticisms of the artist

message: I think that this article needs to include a section on the diamond encrusted skull, as it is an important work of his and if sold for the asking price of £50 million ($99 million) it would be the most expensive piece of artwork sold by a living artist. It's called "For the love of god" if anyone wants to search for it and find out more about it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.212.131.45 (talk • contribs).
:There is a whole article For the Love of God (artwork). Tyrenius 17:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you were the inspiration! If you put 4 tildes ~ after your post it will sign it automatically. Tyrenius 07:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diamond skull

message: "Just before Christmas 2002, Strummer died of a heat stroke. This had a profound effect on his thirst, who said, "It was the first time I felt mortal." 
Is that some kind of oblique joke? Also, there's one reference to a wife named "Matt," and one named "Maia." Are these the same person?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.49.251.170 (talk) 06:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was vandalism and has been reverted (removed).  You can do this yourself, if you spot it, by clicking the edit button at the top of the article, or the edit link at the start of each section. Thanks for drawing attention to it. If you click the history tab at the top of the article, you can see all the edits ever made. Tyrenius 12:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bizarre typos?

message: The link below is dead
^ a b "Damien Hirst skull sells for 100 million dollars", yahoo.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.253.221 (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove it. There's plenty of other sources if someone wants to put one in. Ty 22:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: was the horse in The Cell (film with Jennifer lopez et al) by hirst as well?
--77.183.238.181 (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horse in The Cell? 

message: Removed from article till referenced, assistants:  Hugh Allen, Andrew Chadwick, Lauren Child, Alex Crocker, Colin Glenn, James Irwin, Oliver Marsden, Holly Mitchell, Tom Ormond, Laurence Owen, James Porter, Ben Randall, Lawrence Hendra, Samuel Savage, Jackson Sprague, Kevin Storrar, Tim Summers, George Taylor and Sarah Woodburn. Ty 00:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call. Even if referenced its a list that is peripheral, and best kept out. Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  How is it peripheral?  This is an article for Hirst not his work, so while the work may be conceptual and their physical making might be deemed unimportant, it's relevant from a purely biographical point of view who his assistants were..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.249.165 (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be in favour of including the names if there is a reliable secondary source to reference them. This in itself would indicate some significance to the particular names mentioned. Ty 22:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assistants

message: This section needs some work, I don't know much about him so all I did was edit the start of the paragraph (it read: "Damien Hirst, an "artist", was born (unfortunately) in Bristol and grew up in Leeds") as it was unsuitable, unfortunately it doesn't read very well as is (my edit makes it worse; the first sentence is now a  bit of a fragment :/). Generally the section looks like it could use some references and a tidy up. 86.167.197.43 (talk) 01:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You had spotted some recent vandalism. Thanks for reverting it. Ty 01:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life section 

message: The entry is overall very good I think, but there are some places where a source really needs to be cited.  For example, 'His art teacher "pleaded" for Hirst to be allowed to enter the sixth form' gives no citation for 'pleaded', diminishing the entry's credibility.  If anyone knows of a citation, please add it.  Otherwise, I think we should at least remove the quotes around 'pleaded', or else excise the phrase entirely as too journalistic.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.39.213.30 (talk) 02:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "pleaded" is a quote from The Telegraph, i.e. it's in quotes in the article, therefore valid here. It's cited now.  Ty 23:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation clean-up 

message: A photo of Rachel Howard was in the article in this version. It was removed with the edit summary, "she only receives a passing mention and is not significantly related to this article." This is in the section on "Work philosophy". It relates to Hirst's spot paintings, which are some of his most recognisable works. Far from a passing mention, there is a paragraph related to her:
:Hirst said that he only painted five spot paintings himself because, "I couldn't be fucking arsed doing it"; he described his efforts as "shite"—"They're shit compared to ... the best person who ever painted spots for me was Rachel. She's brilliant. Absolutely fucking brilliant. The best spot painting you can have by me is one painted by Rachel." He also describes another painting assistant who was leaving and asked for one of the paintings. Hirst told her to, "'make one of your own.' And she said, 'No, I want one of yours.' But the only difference, between one painted by her and one of mine, is the money.'"
This places her in a key position in relationship to the work, and the reader will be more informed by being able to see an image of the person who is being discussed. She is significantly related to the subject of the article by Hirst's own statement about her. Ty 04:41, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even more relevant than Emin. Johnbod (talk) 20:37, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo of Rachel Howard

message: I think that this should be included in a sections on works that have affected Hirst's head.
 
"He said of his teacher Michael Craig-Martin's piece An Oak Tree 'That piece is, I think, the greatest piece of conceptual sculpture, I still can't get it out of my head."Telegraph Magazine Michael Craig-Martin: out of the ordinary 24/11/2007Research Method (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This statement does not say it influenced Hirst. It just says he thought it was a great sculpture. That is valid. Influence is editorial interpretation. Ty 10:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that he thinks An Oak Tree is the greatest piece of conceptual sculpture. This is important in understanding hirst's conceptual sculpture. I am new to wikipedia. Please add it to the article in the relevant place.Research Method (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added it. That section would be better with some more info about Craig-Martin's influence on the YBAs. Ty 01:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Thank you.Research Method (talk) 03:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Influence of [[An Oak Tree]]

message: Hirst and Maia Norman are not married, according to http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/visual_arts/article5040058.ece ( “Marry your best friend,” she says. “Although we haven’t even got married! Because we both come from divorces, it’s not an institution we were quick to run to.” She says she would marry him — “Of course!” — if he asked, but one gets the impression that Hirst is calling the shots...)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.252.80.100 (talk) 12:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wife? 

message: There are a number of phrases and sentences in this article that are un-sourced and may be personal opinion and/or POV. We have to keep in mind that Bio articles are held to a higher standard even than other Wiki articles.  WP:BLP "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous".  Here are some examples below that may need immediate attention. What do other editors think?
*is the richest living artist to date
*dominated the art scene in Britain during the 1990s and is internationally renowned
*increasing frictions came to a head in 2003
*he took an unprecedented move
*It was nevertheless seen as the formal acceptance of the YBAs into the establishment.
*This brought a developing strain in his relationship with Saatchi to a head (one source of contention had been who was most responsible for boosting their mutual profile).
*Hirst disassociated himself from the retrospective to the extent of not including it in his CV. 
*He was angry that a Mini car that he had decorated for charity with his trademark spots was being exhibited as a serious artwork.--Kbob (talk) 15:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The first statement now referenced. All the other statements are derived from sound sources and can be referenced if required. It is not POV if such sources affirm the statement: NPOV applies to editors, not sources. It would be POV to exclude what sources say. If a statement is in the lead, then it should be a summary of the article content, and you may find the source is in the article, as it's not obligatory for it to be repeated in the lead. Ty 16:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Ty, thanks for adding the ref about the richest living artist.  On another point if info in the article is not sourced it has the potential to be the writer's POV. Wiki is for the benefit of the reader not the writer. For this reason we always hold Wiki copy to the standard of Reliable Sources WP:RS otherwise it can be suspected as POV.  Without verification there is no way to know. We can keep these points in mind as we proceed in our discussion of the lede and other aspects of the article. Thanks for your help.--Kbob (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite right. If it's not sourced it can be POV or it can be false information. Thanks for digging into the text to prise out some statements that need further attention. I'm familiar with the statements from reading sources, so I don't feel the need myself for immediate removal. If you disagree, please post the removed text here, so it can be reinserted (or adapted) with refs. This can only improve the quality of the article. If you bear with me, I'll find the refs and add them, but I will need time, as I'm under a lot of RL demands right now and especially for this week at least. Ty 01:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Ty, will post here if I remove anything so it can be re-inserted when proper citations are available.--Kbob (talk) 19:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point of View 

message: According to Wiki guidelines WP:LS the lede section is to serve as an introduction and summary of the article. The first paragraph is a good introduction but subsequent parapraphs should elaborate on the items in the first paragraph instead of going into details about specific aspects of his career. Any comments or suggestions?--Kbob (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It can be improved and enlarged. There is too much about the race with Johns. If someone reads the lead, they should be able to get all the main aspects of the article. It is legitimate to include details where these are relevant to understanding the main aspects properly. Ty 16:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP policy the lede should be held to a high standard of sourcing. Also the size of the lede is limited to 4 paragraphs, which we already have. Just a few points to keep in mind. I look forward to additional comments and input.--Kbob (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lede 

message: The "net worth" section does no more than repeat things stated in the lead.  Or vice versa - perhaps the lead could be pared down to mentioning his wealthiness, leaving out detailed stories about an individual auction, for instance. Huw Powell (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Net worth

message: Copied from above for convenience. Ty 22:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Material needing citation

message: I understand the concern over me being bias and publicizing a book that I obviously like. But can someone impartial explain to me why it is not appropriate to give a brief description of a project in which the subject of the article was involved; especially given his involvement with survival's campaign and the fact that he was one of the authors who gave a writing contribution that was previously unpublished. Maziotis (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a very minor part of Hirst's activities. There is no secondary source given, which indicates no one else has taken any notice of it. Only the publisher is given as a source. Hirst has contributed to numerous such projects - charity art auctions etc. A section on this area of his activities would be justified, but not the stress on this one alone. Where is the reliable source to validate the statement "Damien Hirst is a supporter of the indigenous rights organization, Survival International"? Otherwise it's just an editorial interpretation, i.e. WP:OR. Ty 12:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Right Livelihood Award link provides a reliable and secondary source that validates the statement "Damien Hirst is a supporter of the indigenous rights organization, Survival International". If Hirst has participated in other "charity" projects that were covered by reliable sources, you are also free to add them to the article. Maziotis (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damien Hirst and the indigenous rights activism 

message: The Early Life section quoting the Telegraph says "[His mother] heated one of his Sex Pistols vinyl records on the cooker to turn it into a fruit bowl."
This is contradicted by a more recent source(http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/nov/14/damien-hirst-interview) In which he says "My mum made Never Mind The Bollocks into a plant pot – she put it on the gas, with a rock in the middle, and it just went whooosh! – because it said bollocks."  Kwenchin (talk) 02:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Plant pot added to the article as an alternative, as both outcomes are stated at different times in sources. Ty 23:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fruit Bowl / Plant Pot 

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message: Could somebody update the last para in the Artwork section, perhaps by using this link: 
I'd do it myself if I knew how. Regards. 81.83.137.37 (talk) 20:00, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mickey 

message: * Compare me with Rembrandt! What sacrilege! With Rembrandt, the colossus of Art! What are you thinking of, my friend! We should prostrate ourselves before Rembrandt and never compare anyone with him!
** Auguste Rodin, in Art: Conversations with Paul Gsell (University of California Press, 1984), p. 85 [Translated by Jacques de Caso and Patricia B. Sanders]. Originally published as L'Art: Entretiens réunis par Paul Gsell (Paris: Bernard Grasset, Éditeur, 1911). 
* I gave up painting by 16. I secretly thought I would have been Rembrandt by then. I don't believe in genius. I believe in freedom. I think anyone can do it. Anyone can be like Rembrandt... Picasso, Michelangelo, possibly, might be verging on genius, but I don't think a painter like Rembrandt is a genius. It's about freedom and guts. It's about looking. It can be learned. That's the great thing about art. Anybody can do it if you just believe. With practice, you can make great paintings.
** Damien Hirst, in an interview with Simon Hattenstone of The Guardian (14 November 2009).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zingvin (talk • contribs) 18:37, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hirst vs Rembrandt 

message: Hirst has been praised in recognition of his celebrity... Valetude (talk) 15:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous for being famous? 

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