Talk:Gary Numan

message: Why is the main picture for this article so old? It is from 1980. While this is an image of him at the height of his mainstream popularity, every other article on a famous individual I can find tends to opt for a more recent picture that is more representative of what they look like today. If there is no good reason and a modern picture would be better, I can try to find one that would be free to use. 74.196.155.140 (talk) 04:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: It was a long time ago, mid-80s if I remember, but I'm suprised the article doesn't make any mention of the light aircraft crash that Gary was involved in. I don't think he was the pilot but it certainly made the national news at the time it happened. Anyone have further details? Mighty Antar (talk) 09:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: "In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. Numan stated "think of Jagged and Pure, but faster, with bigger choruses, more energy, and more aggression" to describe the album's intended sound. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006."
Seems unlikely - anybody have the correct dates? --GenericBob (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still an issue. Although an edit has been made the date discrepancy remains.THX1136 (talk) 15:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Decided not to wait after confirming the release date for the album. Applied a logical solution to the discrepancy. Thus these sentences - "In late 2006, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2007, with Ade Fenton co-producing. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006." - have been changed to - "In late 2005, Numan announced on his website that recording would begin on his new album in January 2006, with Ade Fenton co-producing. The album, Jagged, was duly released on 13 March 2006." As noted in my edit comments if this is in error, feel free to revert.THX1136 (talk) 15:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: here is a video showing Numan Talking about Ultravox and their influence on him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QJbmUbCh18
Can someone put this reference in where it belongs? Thanks
TJ (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: There is (or at one point was) a curious outbreak of male public figures and semi-public figures telling the press that they have Asperger syndrome because they took one of Simon Baron-Cohen's questionnaires at the prompting of their wives. Bram Cohen is one; Vernon L. Smith is another. Gary Numan's story is, by his own admission, the same. He didn't wait for any medical professional to tell him he had the syndrome, he just made up his own mind and started talking about it. He can believe what he wants, but it's not a basis for categorization, because the term "diagnosis" itself invokes the involvement of a medical expert. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 08:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Independent states: “Numan was diagnosed with Asperger's in 2001, 15 years after releasing the top 10 hit "Cars". "For years, I couldn't understand why people thought I was arrogant, but now it all makes a bit more sense," he said.”  It is not up to you (or me) to decide whether the diagnosis is inaccurate or not. He says he has it. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 14:23, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nope. Numan says that he has Aspeger's and neutral, third-party newspapers have reported this. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 04:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

text: This issue is that Numan is "self-diagnosed," according to the statements he has made and there is no evidence that he has an official diagnosis. Nobody disputes that he says he thinks he has AS, but he is not qualified to diagnose himself; he is a musician, not a psychologist.2602:30A:2ED1:2EE0:1D21:7F34:13D3:4F7B (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Within the ContactMusic.com source titled "Numan Convinced He Has Asperger's", the source states unequivocally that Numan "has not officially been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome". In the second and only other source by the Independent titled "Asperger's syndrome: The ballad of Nikki Bacharach", the source also states that "Numan claimed that his difficulty in social situations had led him to believe he had AS". Neither of these sources show evidence that Numan has ever been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome or any other developmental disorder. It appears, instead, that he self-identifies as having Asperger Syndrome. Wikipedia.org doesn't accept self-identification statements as reliable facts. WP editors shouldn't continue to categorize Numan as having Asperger Syndrome.2001:558:6008:3B:39D3:6322:7F0B:D324 (talk) 12:46, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  On April 4, 2016, Variety magazine reported that the subject had "various mood and behavioral problems related to the Asperger syndrome he wasn't diagnosed with until fairly late." This appears to confirm that the subject has recently been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. As such I have added an additional reference, citation and source link to the relevant section, and categorized the article accordingly.2001:558:6008:3B:5C60:C1D3:EE33:1BCD (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Keep in mind that many people who self-diagnose something later get this confirmed with a proper diagnosis. If sources report that Numan "was diagnosed with" something, that implies a proper diagnosis, so more editorial investigation of sourcing would be in order. It's unlikely the paper would report a questionable self-diagnosis as "was diagnosed" (you wouldn't say that "I was fed a cheeseburger" if I cooked it myself), so there is probably an additional source out there about an actual diagnosis that the paper is relying on. The dates of the sources (that newspaper and the ContactMusic piece) may also matter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: It seems like an amazing oversight that his 15 year career as a stunt pilot isn't mentioned at all.
Here's an external link where he references it: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/29/gary-numan-musician
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message: "A child psychologist diagnosed me with Asperger’s, I must have been about 14" - from the guardian interview - this article, and that quote, cannot both be true...
:That has now been added. Although yes, it does seem somewhat contradictory. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering Asperger's wasn't a common diagnosis until well into the 1980s, it's possibly dubious. -ProhibitOnions (T) 08:39, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr Numan's claim is rather doubtful - psychologists are nearly always adults.  Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 23:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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message: It mentions that Gary Numan was supported by the Gang of Four, the Chinese radical communists who opposed Deng Xiaoping. I highly doubt this to be true and considering the The Gang of Four were put on trial in 1981 and were imprisoned for life, this is most certainly impossible.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:6E2E:9000:5506:FF7C:F4CF:3CDF (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_(band). Though this is probably a troll comment as it's so obvious. 101.176.79.226 (talk) 06:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
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message: The 1997 tribute album "Random, Vol. 1: A Gary Numan Tribute" played a big role in Numan's career revival, containing contributions from numerous noteworthy artists. But so far there is no article on it, such as Random (album) -ProhibitOnions (T) 11:20, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Random (02) (1998) then? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No. As that article begins, "Random (02) is a remix album by Gary Numan, released in 1998 on Beggars Banquet records as a companion album to the Random covers album of the preceding year." The second Random is a different, far less important album than the first. -ProhibitOnions (T) 10:37, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. What's your source for the Random Vol 1 album? And the claim that it "played a big role in Numan's career revival"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the Guardian: "It (Numan's career revival) began with Random":  - and here's the Allmusic review . -ProhibitOnions (T) 11:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks reasonable. Why not go ahead and add? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've created a stub for it with the above links. Surprised by how much 1997-era coverage isn't online, but other sources to improve it could include Numan's biography. -ProhibitOnions (T) 09:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Random (album)

message: I have created a very short Android in La La Land page but was wondering why it isn't mentioned here.  I can add but not sure why it was never here in the first place as a relevant piece of material about Numan. --BustOut (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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message: Still no sign of an article for Intruder_(Gary_Numan_album) even with the album expected to hit the charts any minute now. I started the most basic stub a couple of days ago, but it was swiftly reverted for being unsourced. Would someone with a bit more time like to have a go? -ProhibitOnions (T) 08:36, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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message: Can we have a better picture than the one that is pretty much a selfie for the main article? 129.67.123.22 (talk) 12:00, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The lovechild of Hulk and Nosferatu the Vampyre? I think the current image is better for the lead, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, tks for the ping, anything was an improvement on the selfie so I picked what seemed the most appropriate from within the article for want of anything better, but the one there now is fine.  I think we could even ditch the 'green' one as we have a good-quality black-and-white one in that section (I deemed a colour shot more appropriate for the infobox) but that's another matter... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 00:24, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise I'm not a pro photographer and it shows (oddly enough they don't usually donate theirs), I uploaded a couple from (R)evolution to the commons recently that perhaps are insufficiently good, but at least they aren't green! Would not dare to put them in the article cos the 'Noid Old Guard would probably hate me :) True, some folk out there probably have much better pics. LittleFuzzyYeeks (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to kill that green pic sorry, it bothered me, and there appeared to be consensus regarding it, so... If you really hate the purple one I am sure there are more in Wikimedia Commons that would be better than the green. LittleFuzzyYeeks (talk) 06:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Inserted better resolution pic, hope it's OK but if better feel free (Very hard to for me to get a pic of GN in focus, not eating his mic etc, and without duckface. But I know zero photographically).LittleFuzzyYeeks (talk) 04:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better picture