Talk:San Francisco/Archive 2

message: I have requested Peer Review of this article to gather suggestions for improvement so it can pass Featured Article nomination the next time.  Please see Wikipedia:Peer review/San Francisco, California/archive1 for the discussion. --Paul 18:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus for move. Joelito (talk) 14:51, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review Requested

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation (and/or reference numbers from the above reason list), then sign your opinion with --~~~~.
* Support per all reasons listed above. --Serge 18:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it is a major city so it is already well-known without specifying the state it is in. Moving minor cities that have ambiguity issues with major cities is not what is being advocated here. Those other cities do need to be disambiguated. --Polaron | Talk 04:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: What does Paris, Texas have to do with this move? You even stated yourself that San Francisco is a major city. Are you confusing this with a move from San Francisco to San Francisco, California? --Yath 05:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: As of this date & time the results are 14 in favor and 15 opposed or wanting to wait.  I say we close this up, move it to the Discussion Archive and get on with real work.  None of this chatter has helped the San Franciso (, California) page one bit.--Paul 01:37, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Results

message: I am trying to work on a large City Strawpoll to end the feuding about larger cities in the United States. Please visit the page, User:Ericsaindon2/Sandbox and leave comments on the talk page, but dont edit the actual page. After it has been modified to satisfy the community, I will go ahead and open it. But, please review it and comment, to avoid controversy over its structure. I hope to open it in a few days after discussion, so please be timely in making your comments. Thanks. --Ericsaindon2 05:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Large City Strawpoll Construction

message: Is there a good reason that the section on the San Francisco Jails was deleted?  Our jails are a very big deal, a major part of our public sector and subject to important public policy.  Of course, they are not 'pretty' and not relevent to most tourists, but heck this is an encyclopedia not a tourism guide.  Something as major as our jails deserves a little coverage.  BruceHallman 19:15, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The SF budget is $5billion.  We don't mention everthing the city government does.  Muni and SFUSD are far more important and properly get small mentions, but the scale of the original jails material was ridiculous.  There are lots of arms of the local government, the jails being one of them.  And most states/counties have jails.  Is there anything noteworthy about the jails of San Francisco?  I would encourage you to create a daughter article at Jails of San Francisco.--DaveOinSF 19:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

text: After the San Francisco aritcle was rejected for Featured Article status, it was put up for peer review.  Both of the editors who made substantial suggestions felt that the jail section was out of place and inappropriate in the article.  The jail material was not deleted, it was moved to its own article: San Francisco, California: County Jails.  We will add a "See also" link to that article.  We are trying to craft an article that highlights what makes San Francisco special.  It doesn't make any sense to have a 3K jails section and not have room for Alcatraz or the Golden Gate Bridge. --Paul 20:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I appreciate the reasoned, cooperative and sensible response.  (I am not used to getting that on Wikipedia.  I guess I have been hanging out in the wrong places previously.)  BruceHallman 13:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Francisco Jail section was deleted.