Talk:LGBT rights in Pakistan

message: Some of the sources used in this article are extremely biased, and obvious enough, written by Indians. Small time articles used to create hate are used to back up claims that "Pakistanis have affairs with small boys"?
This is ridiculous, and anyone with a brain should know that this goes against every law in Islam.
Granted there might be a one off incident, but this doesnt belong here in this article. I would like the author to remove these ridiculous statements, or at least use half decent sources to back up these claims, and not some Indian conspiracy source. (most Indian newspapers are anti Pakistan, so please use some Western Sources)
Thank you
Unre4L 00:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ghazni comes to mind...--D-Boy 11:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this article sounds tainted. For instance it mentions that male sex workers outnumber the female sex workers in the Pakistani red light districts. I've never been to Pakistan but I can't imagine them have even a yellow light district! I'm not knowledgeable in this field to comment but I'd suggest someone with knowledge does. Eternalsleeper 09:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the citations now used in the article are from trusted sources like BBC World, Daily Telegraph and Guardian. Some from Pakistani sources as well. A few Indian citations ones that exist have companion citations leading to other sources mentioned above. This topic is controversial and I have done my best to bring it to the B-Class criteria in my editorial review of the article. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 18:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian sources? 

message: I've rated this article as C class for the LGBT project. 
While informative and well laid out, it need a thorough copyedit to move to a B in my opinion. I corrected 3 grammatical errors in the first 3 sentences. I currently reads as written by an editor with English as a (very good) second language. 
Eg: "supressed under wraps" is redundant - it should be one or the other or both with a conjunction --> "supressed, hence is kept under wraps". Even then "under wraps" sounds quite informal.
The language sometimes leaves ambiguity:
eg: "If individual orientation and acceptance isn't enough, young boys in some cases are forced to delve into sexual activities with older men" 
- this sentence makes little sense. It is trying to say that young gay men are not self-accepting or isolated, hence become victimised by more experienced men? 
To improve more, i suggest listing it under requested copyedits as a priority. How the other project missed the grammatical errors is beyond me. Good luck!Yobmod (talk) 08:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: LGBT project Comments

message: I am the one that originally added the google searches and I agree with the current version. To describe gay porn as "popular" is inaccurate. The society is oppressed and people want to know about things so they type it into google. The information should be given factually and I agree with the current version. Thereandnot (talk) 03:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Google Searches

message: Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights in Pakistan have in recent years seen some changes regarding both legal and social acceptance. In 2009, Transexual and transgender persons were legally recognized on matters pertaining to their choice of gender identity and also a third gender option on all government documents. Furthermore, it also protected them from discrimination and various forms of harassment. In 2010, sex reassignment surgery from a man to a woman was made legal by the Lahore High Court which had previously given permission for a female to become a male in 2008. However, Same-sex intercourse and adultery between consensual adults is still illegal although, the punishment is rarely enforced. 
Criminal offence pertaining to same-sex intercourse date back to October 6, 1860, during the colonial rule of the British Raj. Written by Lord Macaulay, the Indian Penal Code 1860, made same-sex intercourse and adultery illegal under the Anglo-Saxon law of "Unnatural Offences", known as carnal knowledge. On August 14, 1947, the newly created, Dominion of Pakistan continued to use the penal code with a new name: Pakistan Penal Code (Act XLV of 1860), PPC. 
Within the PPC, "Unnatural Offences" Article 377 states: "Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with imprisonment [...] for a term which shall not be less than two years nor more than ten years, and shall also be liable to fine".  
Urban cities like Lahore, Karachi, Islamabad, and even Peshawar, have a large LGBT community. Social trends are also changing as growing number of individuals, especially those born to parents who "even if they have not been educated abroad, are usually university graduates" and have some sort of understanding about evolution, sexuality, or both, are increasingly coming out to their families and friends, as well as introducing them to their same-sex partner. Also, Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has taken an active role in the past few years to bring forth awareness as well as to seek LGBT rights across Pakistan.
Disapproval of LGBT largely stems from social conservatism, religion, illiteracy and patriarchal beliefs.  While sex between homosexual partners is extremely accessible with it being a social norm to walk holding hands, walk with having arms around the waist, kissing on the face, and to cuddle with the same gender; social stigma, disapproval, and discrimination of homosexuality makes it difficult for the LGBT community to have steady relationships. The LGBT community is able to socialize, organize, date and even live together as couples, but usually discreetly.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/04/world/asia/gays-in-pakistan-move-cautiously-to-gain-acceptance.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0  As a result of increasing liberalisation trends and increasing globalisation and social tolerance, public gay parties in Pakistan have been thriving for a number of years. Pakistan does not have civil rights laws to prohibit discrimination or harassment on the basis of real or perceived sexual orientation. Same-sex marriages and civil unions in Pakistan have no legal recognition. The LGBT community in Pakistan has not formally begun to campaign for LGBT-rights, but there is growing tolerance for social gatherings of gay men in the cities. In what was seen as a historic move in 2009, the Supreme Court of Pakistan ruled in favor of the civil rights of transsexual citizens. lilpiglet 22:53, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBTI intro - edits  

message: * Editorial Violence against Transgenders, Daily Times March 16, 2022 Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 09:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refs 

message: I removed the following phrases, as they seemed rather pointed and non-neutral. I couldn't find that they were sourced. The objectional parts are shown in bold below:
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Where I could, I replaced with some neutral language; please feel free to improve or expand. AukusRuckus (talk) 05:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Less suitable phrases

message: Respected Sir and Madam
I'm a lesbian I need your help for security and Justice I'm in Lahore.
Please contact with me I'm in truble
Regards
Simal Gill
0313-7792082 Sam Nawaab (talk) 19:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  For help 

message: How and when did the penalty change from 3 years to life imprisonment 41.59.117.135 (talk) 05:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punishment