Talk:Cadillac Fleetwood

message: I removed a reference to the supposed "slaughter of 1997", as the article created on that subject was previously deleted as unverifiable material. -Colin Kimbrell 15:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Slaughter of 1997 

message: there is an error in this article. the RWD D-body car wasn't simply known as "cadillac brougham" from 87-92, it was called "fleetwood brougham" right up until the redesign in 1993. the front wheel drive fleetwood and deville were also still produced in 1993. the fleetwood name was also used on some special deville based FWD limos in 1998.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.117.56.201 (talk) 20:32, 25 October 2006
This is not an error.  The "Fleetwood" name was only used on the FWD C-body version from 1987 to 1992.  The RWD D-body car was called simply "Brougham" during those years.  In 1993, the "Fleetwood" was ONLY used on the RWD D-body car.   It's confusing, I know, but check your Cadillac sales literature from those years.    weetbixkid 03:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomenclature

message: Is it d'Elegance or D'Elegance (or perhaps something else)? Whichever it is, the article should use one convention throughout. --Schnaz 21:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Consistency in style

message: The 1971-1976 Cadillac Fleetwood did not share its chassis with the Calais/Deville. Its wheelbase was actually 133 inches long. Furthermore the wheelbase of the 1971-1976 Fleetwood 75 was 151.5 inches long.--Sadowski (talk) 02:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Generation X Wheelbase

message: Hello everyone 
I am starting a clean up project on this article and will making comprehensive modifications and additions to this article. SenatorsTalk | Contribs 10:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvements 

message: This is the fundamental problem with this webpage. There's no such thing as a Cadillac Fleetwood. Over time I'm going to attempt to rewrite this page and the Fleetwood Brougham page and I expect huge resistance. That's why I both removed/introduced Fleetwood nomenclature on other pages, in a vain effort to open your eyes.
This will take some time. But I'm patient. History and the facts will win out.
Sadowski (talk) 05:25, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would recommend reaching consensus before engaging in something which, as you are already aware, will meet resistance. I would suggest making a minimum of disruptive edits until you have some support, and taking such a combative stance as this is not the best way of going about it. As a matter of fact, I am not even sure what you are trying to change?  ⊂| Mr.choppers |⊃  (talk) 18:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've Already done it. According to the Standard Catalog of American Cars 1976-1999 there was in fact a Cadillac Fleetwood and Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham series during 1977-1996 only. I've made the initial changes to accord with those facts.
Sadowski (talk) 04:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So according to just one source you eliminate a whole series of models? What about American Cars of the 1960s By John Gunnell, which discusses the Fleetwood Brougham in the 65, 68 and 69 model years? What about Standard Catalog of Cadillac 1903-2005 by John Gunnel, which has extensive coverage of Fleetwood models in the 1960s and 1970s - models that were eliminated in your edits? This definitely needs further discussion - your reasons are unclear right now. --Biker Biker (talk) 04:46, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Fleetwood models you allude to are already covered by their respective series. This was all duplicate content and it is rather confusing. There was only one separate Cadillac Fleetwood series and that was from 1985-1996. Does Gunnell contradict any of the things I have said? If so he is completely wrong. (Personally I think you need to totally reread Gunnell.) I shall refer you to any of the Cadillac data books from the period, which the Krause Publications Standard Catalogs of American Cars have meticulously researched. I am changing things back. Thank You.
Sadowski (talk) 06:01, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've inserted new content to make my case more clear. This contributes 27 out of the 32 existing references (all great reading). I shall persevere until this page ultimately reflects the truth. If this struggle takes days, weeks, months or years I shall be here. Thank You.
Sadowski (talk) 07:04, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I made a modest change tonight. If you like the changes I've made to Fleetwood Brougham you should like the changes I'll make to Fleetwood.
Sadowski (talk) 06:04, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I made drastic changes since last night. Personally I like the look of it.
Sadowski (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleetwood is a Coachbuilder for Cadillac and not a Series of Cadillac. 

message: , , , , , et al.  I've been making few changes to this article that hopefully will bring it closer to where it seems to be headed, based on what I've read you saying in the thread above.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that there is a general popular consensus (in the public mind) that the Cadillac Fleetwood is more than just the 1984-1996 models, in fact most people would think of earlier eras when they think of Fleetwood.  I know that anyone who grew up before the 1980s viewed Fleetwoods as America's  premier aspirational vehicles.  There was nothing more awe-inspiring than see a big Cadillac Fleetwood drive up (or, better yet, get a chance to ride in the back seat—what legroom!).  I would wager that when most people think of Cadillac Fleetwood, they think of those top-of-the line 4-dr, factory-equipped, extended-wheelbase cars, whether the Sixty Special, Broughham, or the 75 factory limousine from the those "golden eras" when the cars were really big.  I also think that there is a general popular perception that the Fleetwood brand name went into decline after the 1970s, even probably after 1976.  I think that we should re-build this article to better conform the popular perception of what Fleetwood is.  Here are some thoughts:
::*I think that we should merge all of the articles about the various 4-dr Cadillac Fleetwood models (i.e. Cadillac Fleetwood Sixty Special, Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, as well as the 75 limo.) into this article, having full profiles on each of these models, along with the 1984-1996—making one big Fleetwood article here.
::*We don't have to have full profiles of the Eldorados carrying the "Fleetwood..." name here.  Their profiles could stay in the El Dorado article (but we could keep casual mention of them here).
::*Personally, I think that full profiles of Cadillac Fleetwood Series 75 4-dr sedans/limousines should have a place here, because they carried the Fleetwood nameplate and were fully factory-made and equipped.  
::*Incidentally, Cadillac made a Fleetwood 75 limo in the 1980s and early 90s.  
::*Commercial chassis Cadillacs could stay in the 70 Series article, because they were outfitted by independent shops as custom limos, hearses, ambulances, etc.  I do not know if they carried the "Fleetwood" name or not,  but as custom builds, they seem to be in a separate category altogether.     
So, what do you think? Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:00, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that all of these cars should be merged. They are disparate vehicles. A section mentioning how the name has been used earlier should suffice.  Mr.choppers | ✎  05:07, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, . I'm open to keeping it in the framework it is—I'd only be for greater change if that is what people want.  We could keep it as is, but try to make the background more clear.  I added some material with more pre-1984 background, but I was careful to keep the article in its post-1984 framework.  So, perhaps we could develop it along those lines. Garagepunk66 (talk) 05:14, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: One more question for .  I believe that the 1992-1996 RWD Fleetwood had the word "...Brougham" in the title.  Should the full profile of that model be moved over to the Fleetwood Brougham article?  It is possible that the 1984-1991 models were the only ones to be called just "Fleetwood".  I know that this is nit-pickey, but I want to make sure we're getting everything right. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:17, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: Milton, a character in Middlesex by Eugenides, drives a car named Fleetwood (by Cadillac as it is told). --13Peewit (talk) 15:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  literature 

message: There needs to be ONE Article covering 60 Special, Fleetwood, Fleetwood 60 Special, Fleetwood Brougham, Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham, and Fleetwood. All of these names refer to the SAME model over time (with the partial exception of the FWD abominations of 1985-1992-93).
Cadillacmike (talk) 14:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: They list the first Fleetwood as 1976. That is false as I know there was a Fleetwood Talisman in 1974 and their were Fleetwood models in the 60’s as well. 2600:1700:6494:1E10:C988:E5D3:860B:F576 (talk) 13:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Single article needed

message: This is inappropriate for the page. This custom car is not a Fleetwood; It is a front wheel drive 1990's DeVille that was elongated. On top of that, there were only 800. It is irrelevant to the page completely. It would be as if I added the Trans Am Depot cars to the Pontiac Firebird page - but even that would be understandable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.30.42.148 (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The content is at least sourced now, but I agree with the above; I don't see how heavy aftermarket modifications to a DeVille are the least bit relevant to this article. The car isn't truly a Fleetwood no matter how much the coachbuilder wished it to be. I don't know if it's notable for inclusion in the DeVille article, but it isn't notable here. --Sable232 (talk) 21:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Superior Coach Company Build

message: Is there any connection between Cadillac Fleetwood and the Fleetwood Bounder RV? If so then we should include the Bounder in a section here and if not surely the Fleetwood Bounder RV deserves its own article? An earlier model of this vehicle than shown on the linked website is driven and used as a meth lab by Walter White and Jesse Pinkman in Breaking Bad. --Overlordnat1 (talk) 23:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this vehicle is a line of Cadillac sedans, not an RV. -08:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Fleetwood Bounder