Talk:Presque Isle State Park

message: I don't think this article is a stub any longer.  Has a good coverage thanks to previous contributions.  I made some edits on the tone of the language, though.  Sounded like a brochure, not an encyclopedia article, and was definitely as violation of WP:NPOV.Tomcool 02:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub 

message: The Battle of Lake Erie makes mention, and includes a photo of, the Perry Monument at Put-In-Bay, but not similar info or links for the Perry Monument at Presque Isle State Park.  If anybody is actually editing this page, you might want to take care of that. MikeyTheK 15:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is the photo you're refering to (:Image:Perrymem2.JPG), it is of the Perry Monument on Presque Isle, not the one in Put-in-Bay (although I must admit I do see how they could be confused). --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 17:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Perry Monument

message: Does anyone else feel that the sand replenishment efforts should be mentioned? This news blurb got me thinking about it... --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 04:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You could discuss beach nourishment and/or coastal management in the geology section where sand is already discussed briefly. You could also consider discussing erosion and replenishment in the Lake Erie Watershed (Pennsylvania) article's section on Presque Isle Watershed. A worthy topic, but the Nature vs Recreation aspects can be political and have to be dealt with in a sensitive manner. --Pat 07:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sand replenishment 

message: This article is a good start, but it needs definite improvements.
*History section:Some parts have sources, others do not [the daughter article does not have the relevant sources]
*Habitat section:First para has no sources. At the moment, the two paras are quire short and could be easily merged.
*Geology:Second para is unsourced and very short.
*Recreation:The first sentence is POV (“countless”) and reads like marketing. It is also unsourced. Some of the subsections could probably have their headers removed and some of the paragraphs could be merged as they are currently short. The section is unsourced and the bolding of the emergency information is inappropriate since WP is not supposed to be a warning pamphlet.
Apart from that the prose/pictures/NPOV seems to be OK. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 00:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *It's ok now I think. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 07:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA on hold 

message: I am working on a map for the article per the FAC request. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map needed 

message: I am working on expanding the history section per the FAC comment. How about combining the Coast Guard information and the Lighthouses section as a subsection in the history section? They are both from the 1800s and serve similar purposes (aiding naviagation on Lake Erie). I think maybe  4 subsections would work for history: Early inhabitants (Erielhonan and Iroquois), Forts and War of 1812 (French and British forts, Perry's 1812 stuff), Coast Guard and Lighthouses (1800s stuff), and State park and the modern era (waterworks, state park, 20th century and 21st). WHat do you all think? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 17:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All the recommendations sound good to me. I had deleted the subsections because I felt they may have been too short. As they are expanded I am all for recreating the subsections. -- Dincher (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, my expansion / rewrite of the history section is basically done - any feedback welcome. I tweaked the subsection titles a bit, but they are basically the same as above (some different word orders). Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:15, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History ideas

message: I found this  long list of plants and animals on Presque Isle, which thanks the assistant director of the state park for the information. Not sure I want to search through it all though. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 14:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked all the birds names starting with "A". All rated Least Concern. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 14:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Also checked all "B"  birds, except for two NT (Buff-breasted Sandpiper and Bell’s Vireo) all are LC. Sigh, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 16:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will look through the list later this evening. Dincher (talk) 18:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Finished the list of birds. 1 Endangered, 3 Vulnerable, 5 Near Threatened and the rest are Least Concern. The Piping Plover is classified as EN. The Cerulean Warbler, Rusty Blackbird and the Saltmarsh Sharp-tailed Sparrow are classified as VU. Also the Golden-winged Warbler, Henslow's Sparrow, Northern Bobwhite, Olive-sided Flycatcher, and the  Red-headed Woodpecker are "NT". --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 19:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - that is a lot of work!! The Penn State ref has a fairly detailed explanation of the 6 habitat zones and ecological succession. I was going to expand Habitat using mostly that and a few other refs, similar to what I did with History. For some claims it may be best just to quote them directly, i.e. According to the DCNR, because it has so "many unique habitats, Presque Isle contains a greater number of the state's endangered, threatened and rare species than any other area of comparable size in Pennsylvania."[1] Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks from me too! The plans sound good. Dincher (talk) 00:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long list of Flora and Fauna 

message: This section doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe it's just me but it seems awkward. Basins on the peninsula were used as reservoirs to hold water pumped in from Lake Erie: pollutants were allowed to settle to the bottom before flowing into the waterlines of the city. Does it sound like the pullutants are flowing into the waterlines or is it just me? I had reworded it to look like this Basins on the peninsula were used as reservoirs to hold water pumped in from Lake Erie. Sediments settled at the bottom of the basins before the water was pumped into the waterlines of the city. I don't really like this either. Thoughts? Or am I off base. Dincher (talk) 02:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Waterworks

message: Per FAC conversation there is a problem with the section about Tom Ridge whatever it is. I propose that we just cut it out. It's not really part of the park and it is mentioned, briefly, further up in the article. Dincher (talk) 22:48, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had thought of moving TREC into the Habitat section (after Gull Point). Subsection one talks about the 7 ecological zones and will end with man's role in the ecology of the park / peninsula. Subsection two will look at birs, flyway, endangered / threatened species and Gull Point Natural Area (allowing nature to take its course). Subsection three could be TREC, entrance to the park, a new focus on educating visitors about the environment. What do you think? Recreation would follow. Not sure if it would be better to have Geology between Habitat and Rec (where it is now) or before Habitat (might lead in nicely to shifting sand as the start of the  7 zones,  would follow  history  too (and could tie into that - breaches of peninsula, Corps efforts to stabilize sand / peninsula). What do you all think? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 00:12, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The plans for TERC sound good. I am going to be bold and move Geology now to between history and habitat. Dincher (talk) 00:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tom Ridge Education Center

message: I switched two photos. I think that the pic of the beach is more interesting and specific to the park. It is the only "surf beach" in PA, the other pic could've been a pic of the bay, the lake, the peninsula, the city or the park. I won't fuss if somebody wants it switched back. Dincher (talk) 02:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sort of on the fence with this. I like the thought that the first picture people see is an image of the whole peninsula. But an image of the beach is understandable. Kinda wish the beach image was more recent (note the lack of breakwaters) and with less people (current picture reminds me of a travel brochure). I'm probably going to look for a better picture (maybe from Flickr). --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 03:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added back in the aerial photo of Gull Point so that may complicate things (as now there are two aerial photos near the bottom of the article). I also like both images, either one is OK with me in the  Geobox. Working on TREC next, History, Geology, Habitat are done - any comments welcome. Not sure if TREC will be a subsection of Habitat or its own section - need to read more on TREC. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The more I think about it, the more I like the original picture. One reason is that the park is uniquely shaped and situated and the aerial view shows that - I know of no other place on Earth that looks like Presque Isle State Park does in that picture. You also see the whole park and bay at one glance, and even get some idea of the zones (beach, ponds, forest). Finally the picture now there, while nice, is both fairly generic (it could be almost any beach) and outdated (it is not what a Presque Isle beach looks like now - no breakwaters). I am still OK with either as the Geobox image, but am  leaning towards the original  aerial shot of the whole peninsula. Just my $0.02 Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 20:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's back to the way it was. I agree with the discussion. Dincher (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox pic

message: I am unable to access the Cyberlink, LP refs now - they are current number 7, 20, and 25. When I try to follow the link, it asks me for a login. I am fairly certain I have accessed these with no problem before, so I assume this is a temporary problem, but could someone else check these links to make sure? Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:46, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That has to be a mistake on their part. The link on Google does the same thing. --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 06:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem must be cleared up. I got right to the website without any problem. Dincher (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - it was still blocked very early this morning, but was better by about 6 hours ago. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 20:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References question 

message: I have expanded and tweaked the article about as much as I can. We could add specific sepcies to the habitats (the Penn State ref has them) and go into a bit more detail on beaches (names and locations), but I am not sure either is needed. Other than that I think the body of the article is pretty much done. Could someone please look it over before I expand the lead to three paragraphs? I also have a couple of people I think I can get to look it over for copyedits. Hope what I did so far is OK, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 19:18, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me!Dincher (talk) 20:59, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review please 

message: I began proofreading on Tuesday evening. My brain says it's time to stop for the night. I volunteer at a library on Wednesday mornings, but I plan to get back to this later on Wednesday. It looks great, and my tweaks are minor. Don't hesitate to undo any that you don't like. Finetooth (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the proofreading. It is greatly appreciated. Maybe I spelled everything correctly! Dincher (talk) 05:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto on the thanks - the only thing I changed was "Erielhonen" to "Erielhonan", but then I thought fish sticks  and fish stocks were the same thing, so what do I know? :-) Thanks again, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 19:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. All of my subsequent tweaks were minor. I made an error that shows up in the page history; I said I added two periods to citation 5, but it was citation 6. Good article, good graphics. Finetooth (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks so much - per the second support comment at FAC, I just removed eight sets of parentheses in first two History sections (hopefully not introducing any new errors in the process). Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 10:30, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't think to look at the FAC comments, though that would have been a good idea. I agree with removing the parentheses. I used to insert lots of them in my work until another editor scowled at me and told me to cut it out. Commas are generally less disruptive to the prose flow, she said, and she was right. One other thing I noticed but didn't change were double-digit numbers like thirteen and fifty written out with letters in some places and written as 13 and 50 in others. I'd be glad to go back through and make them as consistent as I can if you have a preference one way or the other. I generally prefer one through nine and 10, 11, 12, etc. Exceptions must be made for multiple-digit numbers at the beginnings of sentences and sometimes elsewhere, I realize. Finetooth (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That  would be fine - thanks, also appreciate an eye on my () removals, thanks again Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 19:02, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed the numbers, checked the parens and made minor tweaks. Replaced a few more parens with commas, and slightly rearranged a bit more of the prose. Also read the FAC comments and could find nothing more for a proofreader to get excited about. I'd be glad to assist further if needed. Finetooth (talk) 20:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proofreading

message: I think we might need a source for the line:
:"Presque Isle has also been referred to as "Peninsula Park".  
I live in Erie and I've never heard Presque Isle called "Peninsula Park". Closest I've heard is it being known as "The Peninsula." --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 03:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good. I figured it couldn't hurt to have a source for that. --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick look through Cupper's PA State Park History did not show it (also not the world's greatest index), but I did find it in a 1940 index of records at the PHMC here and on a postcard on eBay with that caption: here. The first source is more reliable, looks like it should read "Peninsula State Park". Then I realized the first source is the notes for the WPA Federal Writers' Project Guide  to Pennsylvania, so it is in Google Books here. That is what I would cite. Good catch, thanks! Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Penn State has the whole book online - here is the link. Click on Section 1 and search for Peninsula for the first mention of "Peninsula State Park". Good night! Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 05:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the Pennsylvania American Guide as a ref, with the page number of the first ref to it as "Peninsula State Park". I  have the URL of the whole  book, but I can't find a way to get the URL that links directly to that section (the Penn State Digital Library books are PDF, but oddly linked), so if someone else can get the direct URL to the first section where page xxviii is, please use that URL instead. Thanks again for pointing out the need for a ref here, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 14:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the link to go directly to the pdf instead of having it inside the Penn State Digital Library window. Still can't get it to go to right section though, I'll get it eventually. --​​​​D​​tbohrer​​​​talk•contribs 23:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for fixing that and all your work here - I'm just glad every ref wasn't this much work ;-) Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 01:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Peninsula Park"? 

message: I have added the  template to every Featured Article and List I have made major contributions to, and just did so here. I also know this article is the work of many and invite anyone who is interested to add their names too. Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 03:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintained template added 

message: I was able to visit the park recently and added several images on Commons. I just swapped out the photos in the article on the Presque Isle Lighthouse and small Waterworks lighthouse. I also wanted to add a panorama at the bottom of the article, like all the other PA state park FAs. I got three and am thinking of two: 
*:File:Presque Isle Lake Panorama.jpg of Lake Erie from Beach 7 (slight preference)
*:File:Presque Isle Beach Panorama.jpg of Beach 6 from Lake Erie (OK with this too)
*:File:Presque Isle Waterworks Ferry Panorama.jpg of the small lighthouse and waterworks ferry dock (not that great a picture - slight tilt)
Anyway, are the new images I already added OK? Which panorama do you prefer? Are any of the other photos worth including? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 01:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I sorta like the one of Beach 6. I take it that one involved getting a bit wet ;-) Out of curiosity did you happen to take anymore pics in Erie? --​​​​D.B.talk•contribs 01:38, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

text: My vote for panorama goes to the waterworks ferry. The new pics are nice. I encourage including the beach and dunes pic. Very nice and unusual for a Pennsylvania. Dincher (talk) 01:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I did get wet getting the Beach 6 panorama (was up to my waist in the lake). I did not count on the waves moving me up and down and the panorama was more wiggly than usual (even for a handheld shot). Did not photograph anything else in Erie, but did get a shot of Emlenton on the way there. I guess my thought is that most people go to the park for the beaches and lake, so I would prefer a panorama of those. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. Change my vote to the beach. Dincher (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I added the beach pano here, the lake pano to Lake Erie, and the Waterworks Dock pano to Presque Isle Bay Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 23:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Part of the movie The Road was filmed in the park  - see here and here. Should there be a sentence on this in the article? Perhaps something like "Seashore scenes for the film The Road were filmed at Presque Isle's beaches in April 2008." The first article goes into more detail: Shooting locations at Presque Isle State Park include Beach 10 and surrounding areas; Old Lake Road, which is near the park's entrance; and West Fisher Road, Ullman said. The crew also will shoot briefly at the nearby Tom Ridge Environmental Center and at a boat ramp in Lawrence Park. but I don't think this needs to go into that much detail.
The second ref mentions Raccoon Creek State Park was also used as a filming location, so if we include a sentence here, should put on in there too. "Scenes for the film The Road were filmed at the park in 2008." What do you think? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 12:39, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good for both articles. I am actually looking forward to seeing this movie. Not much of a movie fan. Dincher (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movie filmed here 

message: This sentence An Erielhonan legend taught that the Great Spirit led them to Presque Isle because of the wealth of game, the abundance of clean fresh water, and the cool breezes "coming from the land of snow and ice", i.e. Canada. used to be referenced to what is now a dead link: Presque Isle - History with an access date of 2007-01-30, and its publisher was CyberInk, LP. It is now referenced to the state park's history section, but the quote and legend are not given there. I did not find the legend on Google Books. Can anyone else find it? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 00:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the dead link. I guess we could just remove the quoted sentence. Dincher (talk) 01:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My hope was that there was some history book on Erie and the ref could be switched to that. Maybe give it a few days to see if we can find the source and then remove it? Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 01:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't hurt to wait. Dincher (talk) 14:47, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked Niagara too. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 17:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to find a snippet from Google Books that seems to supports the quote . It should work for now; the next time I'm in Erie, I'll be able verify it again with an actual hardcopy. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 17:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice find. Dincher (talk) 17:45, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice - thanks! Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 21:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotation needs a ref 

message: Hi.
I would ask that you restore my addition of the georeference for the Gull Point observation deck.
The Gull Point trail is poorly marked, especially at a fork.  Locating the observation deck can be a frustrating experience, easily relieved with a GPS waypoint. Of course, the deck is open to the public when the trail is open, so I am not providing information that would be prohibited.  I have high confidence in the quality of the coordinates provided, as I obtained them myself via GPS last fall.
Thanks,
--Gene
173.48.107.143 (talk) 15:25, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure the coordinates are really needed, either. Wikipedia is not a travel guide. The observation platform is clearly marked on the map for the park. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 15:42, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Although the observation platform is shown on the official park map, it is not listed on the official park website that I can find, nor is it in the Wikipedia article currently. I also note that there is only one set of coordinates in the article, the USGS GNIS coordinates for the park. I think it would be better to contact the park office and ask that they improve the signage / trail blazes. Thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 01:52, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gull Point Observation Deck 

message: The official park website has a new video in the introduction section, which is also on YouTube - here. On the park web page the still image is part of the panorama at the bottom of this article, and the video pans through part of the panorama from about 43 to 49 seconds in. Thanks WITF. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 15:21, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice. Dincher (talk) 16:03, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official park video looks familiar 

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