Talk:Whaling/Archive 2

message: Although whaling isn't the most appetizing profession, it still deserves a neutral article. I see some blatant anti-whaling stuff in the tagged section of this article. Just ignore this if I'm being a moron. -63.229.27.236 01:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: :A minke whale's daily diet consists of 10 kilograms of fish per kilogram of body mass
It doesn't seem to be correct. Even the very small animals don't eat 10 times their mass per day,
and the bigger the animal the smaller the ratio. Taw 12:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Taw, you are right. The 10 kg per kg body mass must refer to the annual intake, not the daily. --Arnejohs 13:08, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  minke whale's diet 

message: Whale meat is "Organically Grown?"  That's wrong on so many levels... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.144.105.220 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 6 June 2006
:Yeah, it is. It makes whales sound like a plant crop, rather than wild animals. --Apyule 12:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Want to call them farmed instead? ;)Or "game" ? If you can come up with a better "description" then go ahead.."Organically Grown" fits better than anything I can think of offhand ... in many european countries, Minke whale meat would be classified as "Bio-meat" - strange but true  ... SammytheSeal 12:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organically grown? 

message: The comments that the US has "killed more whales in its history than all other nations in the world" needs checking and citing.  I have added the relevant templates.  I would have considered moving the relevant text here for discussion, but I suspect that might get into people just reverting the comments back into the article without discussion.
:I have removed the unsubstantiated assertion. Feel free to provide a source and replace it. Isopropyl 13:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US whaling history 

message: I know this is a matter of controversy, but it is also a matter of research, but it would be nice to have some data on the numbers of whales harvested per year over time.  I have seen some numbers cited in policy books, and they might be highly speculative or controversial, but it would be useful to include them.  This is what I was looking for when I referenced this article.  I've seen some numbers in this area used in discussion energy policy, and in particular, the end of (cheap) oil.  Tied to this data is the market demand for whales, for which I will add another section.
Mulp 05:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical statistics 

message: As I noted above, I have seen selective statistics used in the discussion of such policy matters like oil depletion.  In one of the books on oil policy, the history of whaling was discussed related to the market for whale oil as used for lighting.  The competition was tallow candles, with one having an advantage due to smoke/smell, details are vague.  Other alternatives esisted, but those were listed as the precursors to the initial boom in the oil market, which when combined with the depletion of whale stocks which was driving up the price of whale oil, resulted in a rapid switch over to petroleum.
I believe a similar situation occurred with one of the other major drivers of whaling demand, balen, with plastics being developed, plus a change in fashions.  This might have been driven by the war.
I came to this article hoping to find an "energy" related set of statistics or similar useful "quotes" for an essay.  If I can find some sources in my library, I'll endeavor to return and add them...
Mulp 05:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market forces driving whaling 

message: Not enough information about whaling songs. - FrancisTyers · 23:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Look here. Matt77 06:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I assume that FrancisTyers was asking about songs about whaling, not songs made by whales. I'm no expert, but is the topic significantly different from Sea shanty? A subheading could be added there and referenced here. Or, if the topic is sufficiently large, by all means make a new article and reference it from both pages. --Grahamtalk/mail/e 08:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, this is what I was lamenting about. Perhaps a redirect should be made from Whaling song and Whaling songs to Sea shanty. I'm not completely up on on this particular genre, so I'm not sure if this would be appropriate or not. Welcome input. - FrancisTyers · 09:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whaling songs

message: I'm inclined to delete the line "With ongoing marine pollution from large industrial nations, it is possible that one day, the Faroese people will be forced to go without this local, free range, organic and culturally meaningful food resource, creating an environmental as well as social disaster." It sounded biased on first glance, and upon searching could not find anywhere evidence to show that banning the hunt would cause social disaster, much less envirnmental. Sameerkale 19:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: "The primary species hunted is the minke whale, the smallest of the baleen whales." (section 2: Modern whaling)
This is incorrect, Pygmy Right Whale is smaller. The Minke is the smallest of the rorquals, but even so it should be noted that the term Minke Whale applies to two different species. --Anshelm '77 17:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual error 

message: I took a crack at creating a neutral lead section.  The present lead section is based on the structure of the article per Wikipedia:Lead_section.  Given the heated debate over this topic, each change to the lead section needs to be justified on this talk page using one or more of the guidlines set out in Wikipedia:Lead_section.  If you do not justify your change to the lead section (i) on this talk page (ii) using one or more of the guidlines set out in Wikipedia:Lead_section, your change will be reverted.-- Jreferee 16:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead section