Talk:Dissidia Final Fantasy

message: I don't understand. If Christopher Sabat isn't the english voice actor for Garland, then why on Christopher Sabat's wikipedia page Garland is still listed? Plus, when it comes to the other voice actors for characters such as Firion, Cloud, Cecil, and Zidane there's no source link for them. So why does Garland's need a source? Alpha92613 (talk) 00:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the above post numb nuts. The Clawed One (talk) 01:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: it can be clearly heard in the new montages from IGN and Gamespy that chris sabat is garland... why was his name erased??? is it because hearing the voice doesn't proove anything? if that is the case then why is JYB, Sam Riegel, Yuri Lowenthal and Steve Burton's names also listed????82.155.222.240 (talk) 17:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  If you're going to cut one actor just because the source is a video, then you're also going to have to removie the majority of the "revealed" English cast.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberlink420 (talk • contribs) 19:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

text: i agree with what you are saying and i think that it is well done to remove them all... but i bet that both of us know those actors are the real ones82.155.222.240 (talk) 21:20, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I know the information is correct, but if it can't be sourced it shouldn't be on Wikipedia. I mean, given the pattern so far it's likely that Doug Erholtz is gonna voice Squall again, but that hasn't been confirmed so we don't add it here. The Clawed One (talk) 22:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't know what it is that people can't understand about this, but I see people sourcing IMDB for everything. IMDB is user-submitted data, just like Wikipedia. But, thank you for providing that information, because I've seen people identify the various VAs as other people too. This is a perfect example of why these things need to be sourced until the game is released or we can find an official announcement. The Clawed One (talk) 02:25, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would have to disagree. First off, voices like Yuri Lowenthal and Johnny Yong Bosch are very much recognizable. Not to mention we know it's Steven Burton resuming the role of Cloud due to the sound of his voice.Fractyl (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Doesn't matter if you recognize the voice or not, no official source, too bad. I know that's Burton voicing Cloud, but if there's no official source stating so, it shouldn't be on the page. The Clawed One (talk) 18:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

text: You started the insults, you can't handle it don't dish it out. And no, we will not be putting those VAs in the article. Recognizing a voice by ear is not a source. Furthermore, I've seen many people identify the voices of the characters incorrectly, which is exactly why that isn't a source. We're not discussing FF4 DS, so why bring it up? This is Dissidia, not FF4. And no, I will not stop being controlling. If people can't source VA information beyond "oh, uh, I recognize the voice", then it shouldn't be in the article. It's things like that that lead to VAs being added for characters who haven't even been heard yet. The Clawed One (talk) 19:44, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

text: The thing about FFIV, though...Jonathan Klein, the voice director had confirmed the cast himself for FFIV. The credits in the FFIV DS section is the confirmed cast. So at least that's cleared out. And, the thing about JAT...he's not quite sure. Sonickenshin (talk) 18:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garland's English Voice Actor 

message: I don't care about refernces and sourcing personally, however I will give everyone an update in case you didn't know. Theres new footage with Firion and Emperor. JYB is Firion for definate and Emporer has been identified as Quinton Flynn and I can recognise this by watching that, please no comments about "hearing voices isn't a source" because I don't give a crap as long as we know then that's all that matters and if we are wrong then we are wrong and we get over it and move on, but Quinton Flynn though I did not see that coming. I know that this info is unverified so i'm not putting it on the page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevie200 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the Emperor's voice has been identified as Quintin Flynn, Terrence Stone and David Bowie, among a few others including "the guy who did Riku". As I've noticed from my YouTube upload of the Emperor's trailer, no one can quite make up their minds. Zidane has recently suffered a similar identity crisis, a few weeks ago his VA was Sam Riegel, now it's Bryce Papenbrook. I do so love you people, I love you people so much I hate you. I really do, I simultaneously love and hate you people, I didn't think it was possible, but apparently it is. The Clawed One (talk) 22:05, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Learn to sign your posts please, it's not difficult. Four "~" signs. And yes, I'm perfectly aware of IGN and GameSpot, in case you didn't notice I'm uploading the videos to YouTube. The point is that no one can agree on who's voicing who, which is exactly why we need sources for the VAs. The Clawed One (talk) 23:57, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It sounds like Quinton's voicing the Emperor. And as for the CoD, her VA sounds to be Laura Bailey. Anyone care to check their pages?Fractyl (talk) 05:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Sounds like" is not a reliable source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  But I did suggest that we should LOOK at the actors' homepages, if they have one, to check out the resumes.Fractyl (talk) 07:37, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emperor's voice actor 

message: The release date for Europe is September 4th and it is available for preoreder on amazon which states the date it will be released. Finalfantasyunion.com has also stated this date.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevie200 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  European release date 

message: I have Edited the english Version cast list, as it was posted partially on IMDB and has been confirmed on many of the Voice Actor's websites.
A link to my reference: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1371119/fullcredits#cast
Edit if necessary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.75.29.201 (talk) 17:58, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB isn't a reliable source, idiot. I'm tired of these dumbass anons who can't respect sourcing and just add whatever they like. The Clawed One (talk) 22:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast List. 

message: According to GameSpot's video preview on youtube. Seems that Firion is voiced by none other than Johnny Yong Bosch. The video can be catched here and on GameSpot's PSP section (), please add this to Firion's profile. Zeta Nova 16:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay, another dumbass who can't understand videos aren't sources. Just what we needed. The Clawed One (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Say what you want. But this' another confirmation of another VA who's voicing another Dissidia character. So who ever called me "dumbass" should rethink what they're saying. Because it could be that you haven't seen the trailer yourself Zeta Nova 20:04, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, even if it were a reliable source, we've had video footage of Firion with his English voice actor for over a month now. You still fail. The Clawed One (talk) 05:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah Clawed One, I guess while we're quoting rules, dishing out insults is no better either, just saying you can state a point without trying insult or degrade a person. <__< PrinceLionheart (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't spent the last two months repeating the same obvious rules about sources again and again. If people would just have some common sense they'd understand those rules without me having to tell them, but I guess not. Simply put, I have zero patience for this debacle anymore. The Clawed One (talk) 17:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

text: And yes, on the one level I do realize I've been a prick to several users and on that level do apologize to them. On another level....just use some common sense, people, please. People sourcing videos and IMDB and fansite forums....really. Just some common sense is all I ask, think about what it is you plan to source and maybe check the policy pages to see if it works. Not to mention we have users who just plain ignore the Admin notices on the page and add whatever they like without any source at all. I'm just tired of having to deal with this crap. The Clawed One (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It should be noted on the characters section of the article that all English voices have been exhibited, but that the identities of these voice actors have not been released yet.
That would be 1) false, because not all English voices have been exhibited yet, and 2) irrelevant to the article. The Clawed One (talk) 20:12, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmed VA #2: Firion - Final Fantasy II (via new GameSpot Preview)

message: I just read on IMDB that Megan Hollingshead will voice Terra Branford in the English version of Dissidia.
:You sir, have been punk'd. I added that a while ago to demonstrate to fools like you that IMDB is not a reliable source. The Clawed One (talk) 20:38, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Terra sounds like a new actress. Other than the returning characters (FF7, FF8's Squall, FF4), the offical VAs(Though CAN'T BE ADDED yet because of lack of source) I have recognized from reviewing the videos are Johnny Yong Bosch (Firion), Christopher Sabat (Garland), Dave Wittenberg (Kefka), and Beau Billingslea (Exdeath). The rest, I have NO idea until further notice.
But to ask, and contribute here, does Anime News Network count as a source?Fractyl (talk) 05:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not familiar with the site, but based on the appearance of the words "you can contribute information to this page", I don't think it's a reliable source. The Clawed One (talk) 06:00, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an wiki page of the Anime News Network. It's generally accepted as a reference as I have seen on other parts of wikipedia. And while attempting to add them, only five of the nine actors I identified were confirmed.Fractyl (talk) 14:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I can add information myself, if it's user-submitted data, it's not reliable. It's no different from sourcing a forum, a Wiki or IMDB. The Clawed One (talk) 18:18, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

text: See previous comment. The Clawed One (talk) 21:44, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it doesn't seem to stop those who reference it here on wikipedia. Besides, I don't think the data's user-submittable.Fractyl (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If is, once you join you can automatically update page information. It even says on the update form that it's acceptable to add a VA role even if it's just from watching an anime. Seeing as how this is very poor oversight of their content, it's not a reliable source. The Clawed One (talk) 00:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought there would be a system of sorts there that keeps false info out.Fractyl (talk) 04:33, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terra's English voice actor  

message: Umm, could someone (anyone) break away from the VA debate for a sec and post information on the US Playstation Network demo, released this last friday, Jul 24? I would myself, but I'm not a high enough level user to edit a locked page. Additionally, has anyone seen a full list of characters you can fight against, obviously the PC line-up is Onion Knight, Terra, Cecil, Cloud and Sephiroth in both play modes, but depending on the playmode I've gotten many more opponent char's, thus far Garland, WoL, Firion, CoD, Golbez, neither from V, Kefka, Squall, Zidane, Tidus and Jecht. And if I did this incorrectly, I apologize. Really. Gr3yfxx (talk) 05:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PSN Demo 

message: The Internet Movie Database (IMDB) has a list of some of the confirmed voice actors in Dissidia. The Warrior of Light, Firion, Cecil, Kefka, Cloud, Sephiroth, Zidane, Tidus, Jecht, and Terra are the only ones listed. Here is the link:   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.179.173.225 (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah, but it the problem is other than anime certain people deem it unreliable as a source. like the "Jolt's voice being Anthony Anderson"--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

text: IMDB isnt reliable as other people can update it. Best to wait until the game is out and we see the cast list, it really isn't going to hurt the article if the information isn't in here yet. Dark verdant (talk) 07:51, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want proof it isn't reliable - read the third paragraph. That's my Wiki account, BTW. The Clawed One (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

text: It's not a matter of who voices who, it's a matter of proving it. I can't understand why so many people don't get that. The Clawed One (talk) 19:48, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be as they are figures we recognized. Hence the use of. If pages like Naruto use them, especially for major upcoming characters in the dub, we should use them too.Fractyl (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't Naruto, this is Dissidia. Isn't there a policy page for arguments like that? "this page does it so why can't we do it here?" As for recognizing, that doesn't work. If I said I recognize Garland's voice as Dan Green, should I add it to the page? The Clawed One (talk) 02:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, like you say, you need to be ABSOLUTE about it and that you're not alone on the matter. But everyone argees that it's Christopher Sabat voicing Garland. Though it's NOT Naruto, we should consider using Anime New Network as it's the closest to an offical source for now.Fractyl (talk) 02:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'm absolutely sure it's Dan Green, and I know several people who agree with me. Let's add it to the article then. The Clawed One (talk) 03:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Nope. I have watched shows like Yugioh and DBZ so I can tell the difference between two unique actors like Green and Sabat. Garland's voice is closer to the PS2 DB games' Omega Sheron(minus echo effect) and Piccolo rather than Aten. Even Anime News Network sees it like that and it's a MUCH BETTER source than IMDB.Fractyl (talk) 06:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You're missing the point entirely. If we add information on the basis that "well, a lot of people believe this firmly", then the article becomes subject to interpretation. People with differing opinions will claim it's someone else, and it will end up becoming "well, I recognize it as this guy and my opinion is more reliable than yours". That's what you're doing now, "I can tell it's not Dan Green, it's Chris Sabat". The Clawed One (talk) 06:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the case, first off I CAN'T just do that without knowing FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAINITY that I'm correct, Anime News Network is such a CERTAINY and before that those who saw the video. Also, you could had mentioned that you were using Dan Green hypotheically there. But in the case of returning characters, it's WAY clear that are revoiced by the same actors from before so we should at least put up, with ANN sources or not.Fractyl (talk) 07:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again you miss the point. I'm just gonna stop now. The Clawed One (talk) 07:09, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I can tell you're a fan of Final Fantasy, Clawed one. Would you as a person rather than a wikipedia editor deny that George Newbern is voicing Sephiroth after hearing it in the game? Gutted (talk) 03:54, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

text: which means plan and simple you would rather wait until an official listing comes out like IGN?--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 05:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a reliable source like IGN would do nicely. Or, seeing as how it's only a few weeks more until the game is released, once it comes out the cast can be taken from the game itself. The Clawed One (talk) 06:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True, But IMBD is not something to sorce as game roles but more as films and show right =^-^=--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 08:18, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB in itself is not a good source for ANYTHING.  Information over there is all user-submitted, just like Wikipedia, so anyone could put anything regardless of whether it was true or not.  I still remember that for many months, the Zelda: Twilight Princess page said Richard Simmons was playing Tingle and 50 Cent was playing Epona... -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am pretty sure you are wrong on it being useless--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Voice Actors 

message: It's Laura Bailey; she's credited on her website.  Gutted (talk) 22:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Thank you for finding that. The Clawed One (talk) 22:27, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cloud of Darkness voice actor confirmed

message: From listening to them, it may appear that "Peter Beckman" and "Gerald C. Rivers" are aliases for Anthony Landor and Beau Billingslea.Fractyl (talk) 23:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter is very likely not true. Gerald C. Rivers has his own website and doesn't really look like Billingslea at all. As far as Beckman goes, Landor's credits are non-union voice work, while Dissidia is union. It's possibly an alias but it would likely be the other way around. EmperorBrandon (talk) 22:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Aliases

message: you guys have edit far too much, adding images that are not necessary and changing thhe cover of the dissidia cover. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAIRUSE clearly states we should not change the cover, we must stick to the oldest one. the oldest oneis the japanese one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.134.228 (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as this IS the the English-language version of Wikipedia, it would make far more sense to use the cover of the English version of the game. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 17:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with cyber on this one, they do this kind of thing all they time when something comes out--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Fine, then why don't you go re-edit EVERY article for a Japanese game that uses the US cover as  the main image, and see how receptive people are to the changes.  -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 14:33, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  too much editing 

message: Well, as it turns out, the English version of Dissidia has been leaked to various torrent sites. Maybe soon someone can check out the credits and get the full cast list? Gutted (talk) 14:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The info panel on this YouTube video mentions that JD Cullum is the voice of Kuja, as it is stated in the credits... Zidane4028 (talk) 01:02, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been digging around on GameFaqs and came across a gold mine--the full english cast! Of course, this is subject to everyone else's judgement and verification before it can be posted on the article... the message thread and some snapshots of the part of the credits featuring the English cast image1 image2 image3 Zidane4028 (talk) 01:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with the pics but a forum is not exactly reliable, but that definatly confirms the voice actors--"I am an oktau and a baka at times but deny proven facts and you got a fight" comment added by Dragonmaster88 (talk • contribs) 01:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally, confirmed beyond a doubt. My thanks to you sir, for bringing these here. At last we can stop the arguing and speculating. I must admit, I feel some smug vindication to see that some of the speculation over VAs was wrong, but that's past now. Thanks again. The Clawed One (talk) 03:03, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaked 

message: I just reverted a large chunk of vandelism in the character section. I'm not a hardcore wikipedian, so I'm not sure how to trace who did it or note their talk page. Could one of the more serious members address that for me, please?69.241.122.68 (talk) 14:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandelism 

message: I think some of the images of merchandise are pretty secondary to the subject of the article; per WP:NFCC #3 and #8 we're supposed to limit our non-free content to that which is essential to the article. The images should probably be removed. Thoughts? (ESkog)(Talk) 14:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: The name is the plural form of the Latin word dissidium, which means "conflict." The English words dissident and dissidence were derived from the Latin word, both defined as having to do with causing conflicts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.111.1.136 (talk) 03:11, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no such word as "dissidium". And even if there were, this is unsourced and shouldn't be added. The Clawed One (talk) 03:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

text: There is no such word as "dissidia". I don't have to look it up, I'm friends with a guy who speaks Latin. The Clawed One (talk) 19:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name etymology  

message: http://thelifestream.net/final-fantasy-vii/1371/dissidia-famitsu-reviews/
I checked the source and it doesn't say that. In fact, the plot is contrary to that thesis: it specifically reveals that all of the characters have amnesia and cannot remember anything about who they were in their respective games. Tcaudilllg (talk) 20:12, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character histories interwoven in the storylines 

message: I'm not the best at editing the wiki's, but I know that Playstation Network now offers FF Dissidia as a digital download, as I've bought it and am downloading it to my PSP go as we speak. Need a wiki-man to get it in there :3
76.185.157.69 (talk) 07:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Fantasy Dissidia released on PSN Nov, 5th of 2009.  

message: It's too soon to tell if it's real or not (who remembers the Lightning hoax?), but scans of a magazine showing Kain from FF4 in Dissidia have popped up - http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5665/wwwdotuporg512655j.jpg. That same scan also shows what appears to be Vivi from FF9. May be a hoax, may be real, either way just posting this here as a FYI to anyone who wants to follow this. The Clawed One (talk) 03:27, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kain 

message: Re-reading the old entries, man I was an asshole before this game came out. Sincere, blanket apology to the people I insulted back then, I was in a bad place at the time but that doesn't excuse how I acted. The Clawed One (talk) 16:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yikes 

message: I'm not sure it's entirely appropriate to refer to the image used in the article as the "NA/EU/AUS" cover; the "T for Teen" classification system is not used outside the US, so it's technically the US cover. It may be better to simply refer to it as such. Kelvingreen (talk) 14:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover Image 

message: I'm a little confused here: is there a colon or is there not? The sequel's article excludes the colon, and so do both games' websites. Despatche (talk) 13:17, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Square Enix consistently calls the game "Dissidia Final Fantasy" in their publications, such as their webspace dedicated to it: . I would be in favor of moving the article to the title without the colon.--Atlan (talk) 21:45, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article naming 

message: Why is the image of the gameplay constantly changing?Lucia Black (talk) 01:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It changed just once because it was from a demo.Tintor2 (talk) 02:23, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: it actually changed several time in its early stages. Regardless, this is the 4th image. Hopefully ts the last.Lucia Black (talk) 02:46, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The same reason to change it. It's from the actual game.Tintor2 (talk) 03:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm just saying I've seen t change several times. And that this should be the last one.Lucia Black (talk) 03:32, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Gameplay image constantly changing

message: Sold over 1.8 million: http://release.square-enix.com/news/j/2011/01/zy0hul0ed.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brayden96 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sold over 1.8 million 

message: It was transferred from Talk:Warrior of Light due to the creation of a new article, which is not related to the topic --Yaraslau Zubrytski (talk) 18:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: please see WP:NOTABILITY, and seek to demonstrate that this character is in fact "famous", as indicted by significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  18 October 2015 

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