Talk:Caesarion

message: It has Cleopatra II which should be Cleopatra III in every case. This is correct and inline with other wiki pages--27.33.104.200 (talk) 11:10, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestory Wrong 

message: Does anyone think the standard Anglicised names Octavian and Antony shound be used over the Latin "Gaius Julius Caesar Octavianus" and "Marcus Antonius?"
Does it really matter in the Eternal scheme of things?
Tomtom9041
:Actually, yeah, in answer to the original question, I definitely think we should use the anglicised names; those are their names in the English language, which is what we're writing in.  The layman refers to them by their anglicised names; the scholar refers to them (in an overwhelming majority) by their anglicised names.  So if we insist on using the Latin nomenclature, not only are we actively working against our own purpose here (by needlessly confusing our readership by using names other than the ones they will instantly associate with the individuals in question) but we also come off looking like amateurish intellectual snobs trying to act better than we are, and our only justification for doing so is snide, irrelevant commentary about "the Eternal scheme of things".
:Bearing in mind the original question (which seems to me to be in favour of anglicising the names) was asked in July, and that in the time since then it's gained one response which essentially says "I don't care" and (now) one in favour, that seems like consensus to me.  This seems like a valid issue, since it strikes at the idea of just how accessible our work on the history of this time period is going to be to the layman reader, so maybe next week while I'm on holiday I'll start a discussion about it at the talkpage for Mark Antony or Pompey the Great.Binabik80 15:23, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglicised Names 

message: As I'm not entirely sure why it's there (the mistake is so glaring that it has me completely confused), I will turn to the author(s) to explain why the Greek version of Caesarion's name as listed near the top of the page says Cleopatra (the transliteration of Κλεοπατρα). Was he named for his mother or was there some matronymic feature common amongst the Ptolemies which was not used otherwise in Greek naming conventions? If this is simply a mistake, I believe that it should be changed to Καισαριον (the proper transliteration of Caesarion). --KraDakar 01:29, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caesarion's Name

message: There is no possible relevance of Ptolemaic system, or any part of it, to this article.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 16:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is, because the "see also" section has many uses, the purpose like in this case vary, but for example, they were relatives, both from Ptolemaic dynasty. For you to remove the link you need to explain what is "see also", it certainly have no rules like what you try to apply.WillBildUnion (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You have a link to Ptolemaic dynasty; Ptolemaic system adds nothing.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 17:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well in the dynasty page it does not talk any other than the kings and queens, not for example Ptolemy the astronomer and mathematician. Nobody else than you have a problem with the link. Why is that?WillBildUnion (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any evidence that Ptolemy the astronomer was part of the Ptolemaic dynasty?  If not, linking to the Ptolemaic system because of the Ptolemaic dynasty is like putting Will Smith in the see also section of the Joseph Smith, Jr. article. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly! The pseudo-scientist "Ptolemy" is not related to the Macedonian ruling family that assumed control over Egypt following the death of Alexander III.50.111.22.224 (talk) 00:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ptolemaic system]] 

message: Even if he was declared "king of kings", we would need some evidence that it wasn't common at the time for emperors to be so declared, for it to be notable.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 09:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Reinhold it was very unusual in the context of Roman client-kingship, if precedented in hellenistic culture. Paul B (talk) 23:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He was. DO your research. ANd read also other than Augustus autobiography.WillBildUnion (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance 

message: On the header it says:
For eighteen days, up to August, 30 BC he was sole pharaoh, when he was killed on orders of Octavian.
But it's also mentioned that he fled to India and was pursued to come back. Well, you don't rule Egypt for eighteen days, fled to India, and on the eighteenth day had come back and face death by Octavian's men.
This does not add up, and so does not many other in the article.
And, Clepatra had for sure forbid him to come back by any means.
I would say the latest edits to this article are poorly made. And the sources are only 4, 3 new.
Yes, I could also write Roman history during Reign of Augustus by out of Augustus autobiography (that he did), but there are other sources as well. If contradictory, all the information should be put forth. It's unencyclopediac to state in the header he was killed by Octavian when clearly that is not the case.WillBildUnion (talk) 01:39, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It says there were possible plans of escape to India, and only that Plutarch says that he made it.  Doesn't mean Plutarch is right.  Ian.thomson (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: None of the sources are from "Augustus' autobiography", which does not exist. Even Plutrach is ambiguous, since when he says "there" he may mean Ethiopia (which does not mean the modern state of Ethiopia, but is a generic term for Africa south and east of Egypt). All of the sources say he was killed by Octavian. None say he wasn't. And we have no idea what Cleopatra "for sure" forbid him to do. BTW, on the title "king of kings", Plutarch says that this title was not unique to Caesarion: "he [Antony] declared Cleopatra Queen of Egypt, Cyprus, Libya, and Coele Syria, and she was to share her throne with Caesarion. Caesarion was believed to be a son of the former Caesar, by whom Cleopatra was left pregnant. In the second place, he proclaimed his own sons by Cleopatra Kings of Kings." Paul B (talk) 07:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

text: The phrase "left pregnant" is a quotation from Plutarch, genius. Try to read more carefully. It does not mean he abandoned her while she was pregnant! Paul B (talk) 10:09, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't know who these Romans who said he was too young may be. Never heard of any. For the rest, 'my arguments' are simply quotations from Plutarch, who you are either misinterpreting or choosing to disregard. Of course he wasn't writing in English, phrases like 'left pregnant' are just idioms of the translator. Paul B (talk) 09:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  life - death? 

message: Fauxchoux is a totally fictitious character. The sarcophagus of Alexander the Great has never been found. Caesarion probably never had a sarcophagus, as far as we know. The correct spelling is "Pharaoh", not "Pharoah" (sic).  Das Baz, aka Erudil 18:40, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fauxchoux is mentioned in a section on fiction and the article never spells the word "Pharoah". Paul B (talk) 19:41, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

text: NO Ptolemy did it, as it was still around in the time of Caracalla, who desecrated it to get a sword and/or shield.50.111.22.224 (talk) 00:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Clarifications

message: Caesarion is also the title of the Dutch book: Caesarion written by Tommy Wieringa. This is a work on fiction with some references to the life of Caesarion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.120.42.212 (talk) 09:29, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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