Talk:Hilliard Davidson High School (Hilliard, Ohio)

message: I have begun to add sections to this page about charity events and distinctive awards this school has received that have received national attention.  Please do not delete them until I have finished posting them -- this will, understandably, take some time, as I have to source-out the material.  Thank you!
Locke (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You clearly have a COI here and you need to make sure the article doesn't go back to simply discussing how good the theatre is regarded by those that are involved with.  violet/riga (t) 08:43, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note, this dude has been adding content across many articles on Wikipedia and if you couldn't tell by his previous notes on this discussion thread, he's obviously a very intellectual person. While he may be involved in the programs mentioned in this particular article, he's been adding valuable content to it and is quickly becoming a valuable editor on Wikipedia (if you didn't notice his number growing edits). I believe that the content that he added has been trimmed down significantly from the original revisions that you had moderated. I also believe that these revisions hardly qualify as WP:COI or violate WP:NPOV -- He has simply added citations to factual, notable information that is related to the school. It seems to me that you have something out for high schools, and particularly high school theatre programs. Furthermore, I believe in spirit of Wikipedia WP:CON, the article content should be left alone by Wikipedia "administrators" and allow the general public decide what in the article is valuable and what is not. I think both parties should re-evaluate the text and make suggestions for revised material here before getting into an WP:EW. --Rbtvance (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Matt Hersha has several contributions about one subject/area and while his contributions are welcome it is clear that he needs to read some of our policies and guidelines, particularly those on notability.  I'm not sure how you can say anything about me having something against high school theatre programs - it would be a rather specific dislike, for a start.  I will look at what to do with this article when I have some more time.  violet/riga (t) 13:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will willingly discuss the "Charitable events" section of this page; I can comprehend your argument with regards to this section, and understand your concern with "Trick or Treat so Tots Can Eat."  We should certainly discuss this more on a different thread.  However, national awards the theatre program has received are certainly notable.  The Edinburgh Fringe is also an incredibly worthy and important event in the world of theatre.  Invisible Children is a nationwide campaign to promote awarenes, and these concerts are not held daily.  Please understand, I am not arguing with you about past removals.  I believe there is a conflict of interest here, but it rests with you, the administrator.  I do not believe you have it out for high school theatre programs; I simply believe that you do not value theatre and the arts as much as other people, specifically us.  People whom theatre has affected will value this information to an incredible degree.  Not having an "infatuation" with the arts is not a problem -- some people love hockey, football, or history, while others despise them.  I am asking you to respect our expertise in this area, and we will never infringe on your expertise in other areas. Locke (talk) 14:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is always a pointless exercise to accuse someone of not valuing something to an appropriate degree when you know very little about them, and it is not really an argument we should be having here.  Indeed, a brief look through my recent edit history on schools would show a fair-handed treatment of non-notable events across every area of schools.  While trumpeting the nice things that a school has done is a good thing to do it is important to consider if it is actually of encyclopedic merit.  We need appropriate third party sources that discuss the event, and this does not include the school website or small newspapers.  The Edinburgh Fringe is notable and so is Invisible Children, but a small event in a school to raise money for a charity is not worthy of a lengthy section in an encyclopedia.  violet/riga (t) 18:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is my compromise, which I have already completed because it comes off of your entry form above.  I will remove the sections about "Trick or Treat so Kids Can Eat" and "Broadway Comes Homes" until there is either serious third party coverage of these events or something else.  I was very willing to allow this, anyway.  The sections about the Fringe and Invisible Children, understandably, stay, as do the sections about the award from the Kennedy Center and the Educational Theatre Association Hall of Fame.  Both of the latter are serious national matters that have been given to the school.  The final part of this deal is that you remove the questionable information tag from the "Hilliard Davidson Theatre" section; you may, of course, keep the tag at the top of the page -- this will alert other editors to hopefully improve the language, but not remove the sections. Finally, understand that saying you have a conflict of values is not an insult, and accept my sincere apologies if you took it as one; we all have a conflict of values, and it cannot be avoided. Locke (talk) 18:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is beginning to take shape now and the importance/notability of these events is starting to be documented.  There is clearly plenty of information left to include about the school outside of their theatrical endeavours, but these will come with time.  violet/riga (t) 01:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hilliard Davidson Theatre

message: The conclusion to these threads is as follows:  The Davidson page is allowed to keep its three notable events (i.e., the Kennedy Center, EdTA Hall of Fama, and the Fringe Festival), while giving up Broadway Comes Home and Trick or Treat so Tots Can Eat; the second part is that the two tags have been removed from the Davidson page, as the information is no longer unreferenced or conflict of interest.  Thank you to all those who participated in this discussion, and we (User:Violetriga, User:Matt Hersha, and User:Rbtvance) would ask that all editors who choose to further edit and improve this page abide by the circumstances and decrees of this Compromise. Locke (talk) 13:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Resolution to Conflict

message: I'd like to dispute the "first high school" claim made by this article.  In 1997, when Darby High School opened, it is true that Davidson High School began operating in the same building which had been simply Hilliard High School the previous year (which, by the way, is not the original Hilliard High School building).  But I'm not sure Hilliard High School and Hilliard Davidson High School can be considered the same institution.  Half of the students moved to Hilliard Darby High School, and as far as I know, so did half of the faculty and staff.  Therefore, Darby High School is almost as much a continuation of the "first" high school as Davidson is.  At the very least, the "first" claim should be toned down or coupled with some mention of Darby in the same or next sentence. Vid the Kid (t/c) Yeah, that guy. 06:22, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  First High School?