Talk:Henri Charrière

message: The article may be improved by following the WPBiogaphy 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Edofedinburgh 01:42, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: There's a second book by Henri Charriere called Banco. It mentions that at some stage his crimes in france passed their statute of limitations and he could return. Therefore the last line in this article is incorrect. Perhaps someone could add this data in? 219.73.49.226
: Done.Davidhs0 (talk) 18:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  After Papillon 

message: Could someone, please, edit the main article to change the link for "El Dorado" from the tale about the missing gold to El Dorado Prison? It won't let me edit the main article. Sbrobin 16:08, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! Verne Equinox 15:39, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Dorado link incorrect 

message: I am currently reading Papillon, and in it Charrière claims the tattoo is on his lower back. (unsigned comment)
:The butterfly tattoo was on his chest. He had about a half dozen or so. (unsigned comment)
::So I conclude there really is no conclusive evidence either way, or is there? Extremely sexy 17:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a picture of him with his shirt open on the back cover of the book that I have. It's on his chest. You can see the beginnings of some others, but you can't make them out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.186.172.75 (talk) 17:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then the article is wrong I suppose? Extremely sexy 18:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It only talks about the butterfly tattoo, which is correct as far as it goes, just not complete. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.186.172.75 (talk) 09:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butterfly tattoo 

message: I'm not sure that "framed for the murder of a pimp" is correct. Obviously according to Charrière he was framed but so are most crooks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ozwebfx (talk • contribs) 12:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did read. And while he claims innocence, he does not shy away from murder at any time during his imprisonment. Like most cons, he claims innocent, but based on his behavior, it does seem likely that he was guilty as charged.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.186.172.75 (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Good job, man. Extremely sexy 10:58, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Framed? 

message: Those of you interested in Charriere may want to read some books by Rene Belbenoit, another convict who escaped from French Guiana. His first novel was Dry Guillotine, published in 1938 (much earlier than Charriere's novel, published in 1969). It is fascinating to compare books as they share many of the same anecdotes, such as the story of the Masked Breton and the cannibals' break (which Belbenoit took part in). --Bobogoat 16:06, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rene Belbenoit connection 

message: "After a brief imprisonment in Caen he was sent to the penal colony in French Guiana."
Caen is in French Guiana, and there was a prison there. He was sent to the island prisons (Illes Du Salut - Royale, St. Joseph and Devil's Island. So this sentence needs changing. --Bobogoat 10:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life and conviction 

message: In the article it says that his nickname was due to a tatoo of a butterfly on his chest. Although he has a butterfly tattoo on his chest in the movie, in the book he has a tattoo of a tiger on his chest instead (and a butterfly tattoo on his lower back). In the movie he gives the Indian Chief a tattoo of a butterfly where as in the book he gives the indian chief a tattoo of a tiger.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.76.160 (talk) 06:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please quote the page number where it says this. This picture  from the back cover of a Papillon edition clearly shows the butterfly tattoo on his chest.--Bobogoat 16:37, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, you must make a distinction between Papillon in real life and the fictional Papillon in the book. The two characters could well be different.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.143.75.103 (talk) 13:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tattoo 

message: The trio were originally sentenced to five years, with three additional years added for the attempted murder of the hospital guards they knocked out in their escape attempt. Charriere was able to prove that the claims were false, thus resulting in the shorter two year sentence. Incorrect, they were never sentenced to 5 years, so this sentence will be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobogoat (talk • contribs) 17:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but there are separate articles about all of them and every source does say "Clusiot" anyway, my dear friend. Extremely sexy 12:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please specify these sources (besides the linked Wikipedia articles). I know the book intimately, and I am positive that neither Maturette's nor Clousiot's first names are given. Point me to the page number and or paragraph in the Papillon book which specifies their first names. Furthermore, the "Clusiot" and "Fernandez Maturette" articles were full of mistakes so I assume whoever authored them is unfamiliar with Charriere/Papillon. And Louis Dega did not take part in this escape, nor any escape in Papillon. --Bobogoat 17:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So then you should correct all those articles. Extremely sexy 14:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Quite right, thanks for that --Bobogoat 12:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction(s) 

message: 1) 'Clousiot's' full name is given as 'Joanes Clousiot' (pg. 75)
: Same with my translation, thanks for the confirmation --Bobogoat 12:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further comments on names 

message: In an attempt to make this read like more of an encyclopedic article and not an opinion piece, I have removed numerous emotive words like "astounding" and "tragic." --Bobogoat 17:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of emotive words 

message: Records were kept due to bureaucracy in France at the time. Doesn't anyone have access to these? There must be documents from the 20's and 30's that could be used for research? This would be extremely helpful for verifying his escapes. Arvid Stolt (talk) 20:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veracity of autobiography 

message: Hello, There are two names in charrier's story, real life names, and fate of which is unknown.
1- Maturette. A wikipedian above tells that this name was a nichname rather then family name. Who was his real name, and what happened to him?
2- André Baillard. His real name is Eugene Boyer, he survives the guillotine on the day of President Doumer's assasination. The happening is real. What happenes Boyer after his deportation to cayenne? Does anyone know it?
Thnx.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.133.129.16 (talk) 12:59, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 Names (help please) 

message: I'm just wondering, does anyone else find the descriptions of the prisoners lives on the islands and the mainland almost more fascinating then the escapes. It shows the mental strength that Charriere and others must have had just to make it through year on year.
Some of the stories like the sharks appearing when the bell rang for funerals or how men carried charges up their rectums and were frequently murdered for them.Also the reasons why others had been sentenced is beyond belief today, Clousiot had been given hard labour for stealing a push bike !! The will to survive must have immense.
I read a very old interview with Charriere a friend had in a french paper from the early seventies and he did admit that the book whilst true 95% he was asked to make some of the other adventures his own by the publishers as they didn't want to fill out the book with others stories, but most of his escapes like from the hospital etc were real.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.86.71.241 (talk) 13:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life On The Islands 

message: There's a couple of problems with this. </br>
First, the "Imprisonment" section has much the same content as the "Synopsis" section of the Book page; the logical thing to do would be to reduce one to a summary and add a main article link.</br>
But second, it says here that most of the events in Papillon  didn’t happen to Charriere at all; that it is at best an amalgam of several different peoples experiences, and at worst a fabrication.</br>
So, I propose we remove all details not corroborated by a separate source, and leaving a link to the book for anyone who wishes to know more. </br> 
Any thoughts? Swanny18 (talk) 18:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, there's been no reply here, or any opinions expressed, so I've gone ahead and done this. The book information has been summarized, and a link provided; and I've added what I can find about his actual time there (which isn't much), with a source. Swanny18 (talk) 17:12, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems 

message: The article is treating French Guiana and Guyana as if they were the same.  I believe Guyana was British Guiana, no? 72.229.55.38 (talk) 03:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guyana? =

message: I think todays article is very far from NPOV, the "documentation" showing he was guilty is non-existant. I think it would be more fair to write the article as though the autobiography was true and add a section on disputes/criticism/whatever.--84.208.113.245 (talk) 02:28, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  inappropriate format 

message: A 1990s BBC documentary about Devil's Island never mentioned Henri Charrière (from a television series about famous prisons) Dickie birdie (talk) 14:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  1990s BBC documentary 

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