Talk:Anti-tank dog

message: Curzio Malaparte's Caputt may be added as literary depiction of this phenomenon. He devotes one chapter to it in very readable form. Pavel Vozenilek 16:49, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Depiction

message: Yes, this is just folklore. No sources, no links, no nothing. Yes, it's a funny story, but bullshit none the less.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.83.54 (talk) 02:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bullshit

message: Paat's edit  states "but there has been speculation that this method was still being used . . .".  I'll remove this "weasel-word" sentence, unless someone can indicate where there has been such speculation, preferably with a verifiable reference.  —Michael Z. 2006-01-23 16:46 Z
: I found it on a web site. I can give you the link, if you want: http://community-2.webtv.net/Hahn-50thAP-K9/K9History9/ paat 19:07, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That web page contains as much patriotism as facts, and it cites no references.  I don't think it qualifies as a verifiable source.  —Michael Z. 2006-03-18 19:10 Z
your forgetting, this is wikipedia, having sources is irrelevent  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.165.218 (talk) 04:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation 

message: I remember reading that one problem was that Russian tanks used diesel while german tanks used Petrol (or maybe it was the other way around?). The Dogs tended to go for the Russian tanks since they had the right smell. No ref sorry. - SimonLyall 01:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The german tanks were using BMW and Mercedes (i'm not the best speller) aircraft engines, which ran on Gas (petrol). No sources, but an interesting fact. 4.247.143.84 01:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  All german tanks ran on petrol, while soviets had mixture of two types (newer tanks having diesel engines, older ones using petrol) 195.218.11.45 (talk) 20:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Smell of fuel. 

message: * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqlEtjYwNYk
See it and believe it. -- Toytoy 17:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange, see 3.46 minute of this video either way it could be a bluff, these dogs are running under maquets of tanks (they seem happy so it might be just a game for them), it would be much harder to convince them during a battle to happily run under a tank that they are seeing for the first time. Mieciu K 17:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The North Korean tank dogs 

message: I added the hoax tag some days ago thinking it would obvious why. The whole concept, as described in the article, sounds extremely far-fetched. A google search for "hundeminen" results in 243 hits, and all but a few go to Wikipedia or sites citing Wikipedia. The more formal "panzerabwehrhund" has 334 hits, about as many as a "anti-tank dog" in English. All the sites i find in English seem to contain the same text and they all reference the "entire Soviet tank division" that supposedly was forced to retreat. Nowhere can I find a source for this. Finally, the Russian "Противотанковая собака" has a mere 60 google search results. So, has anyone actually read a book that mentions anti-tank dogs and the use thereof? Of course this could all be accurate and simply obscure, in which case I apologize.
Its world war II, sonny. many events that happened during WWII have very little documentation left after the war.202.12.94.13 09:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hoax? 

message: ---Training of anti-tank dogs continued until at least June 1996 (Zaloga et al 1997:72)---. what does that last part mean ? Tyriel 07:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what's known as a reference, specifically a Harvard reference. —GrimRevenant 10:36, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  explanation ? 

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Exploding organisms}} 

message: I believe this page is a copyright violation, specifically of http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=504 . It is identical almost word for word, and nothing leads me to believe the author of the original article has contributed to this one. Can anyone verify its copyright status? -Cronium 15:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty blatant. The DI page is dated April 11th, 2006 and links here. The April 10, 2006 version was fine, the edit on April 15, 2006 added the suspected text. I've reverted the page to the April 10 version per WP:CV. --Mrwojo (talk) 07:04, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright violation 

message: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerabwehrhund  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.155.99.42 (talk) 15:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hundeminen

message: I added the tag  because the article talks only about the use of dogs in the Soviet Union, while anti-tank dogs were also used at least in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. I can provide further details about use in the KoY, but I have no idea what are all the countries they were used in. Nikola (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Limited geographic scope 

message: Who in their right mind would use the word 'victuals' in a modern article about anything?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.218.24 (talk) 04:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone whose vocabulary isn't entirely derived from words they heard on MTV? 62.196.17.197 (talk) 12:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victuals? 

message: The cited references for this article range from self published to a publication mostly intended as humour. While it seems likely that some dogs were trained, claims of them destroying 300 German tanks  are particularly extraordinary and need solid references. Hohum (talk) 21:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof 

message: Have removed templates as I believe they are no longer applicable; if they are restored please post an explanation here identifying problems or issues. (I didn't want to believe this article; now that I do, I want it to be accurate)
:*It is missing citations or footnotes. Please help improve it by adding inline citations. Tagged since November 2008.
::Regrettably (due to the subject matter) I found references for much of the story, and as such have provided inline citations when possible; likewise that information for which I have found no corroboration, i.e. a claim of 300 tanks destroyed, I have deleted. 
:*It may contain improper references to self-published sources. Tagged since November 2008.
:*Although Wikipedia accepts sources in any language, the use of non-English language sources may...
::These remain in the External Links section only because I've focused on verifying the subject & story and not moved on to evaluating these yet. All current inline citations are of english-language sources.
:*It may not present a worldwide view of the subject. Tagged since November 2008.
::I find there is no relevant "world view" of this subject. While dogs may be used in many aspects of warfare, I have found no legitimate references to dogs being used as a delivery system for anti-tank munitions anywhere other than by Russia and only for a period of about 2 years during World War II. Please, if you have references proving otherwise I'd love to see them included here; for now however this seems a moot point.
Began pursuing deletion of this article believing it to be a total hoax and thus damaging to the Wikipedia concept; sadly instead moved on to trying to improve the article. Thanks...Snozzwanger (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This makes me wonder how many other articles that have suffered deletion due to untimely termination where the presence of purpose to Wikipedia exists(not a matter of where, but when).  Glad to see one article saved from oblivion. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 04:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Templates: 10 March 2009 

message: Hello I corrected the statement about the German tanks being diesel powered. Not a single German tank in WWII used diesel engines. They all used high performance gasoline engines. The source cited was mistaken in this regard.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.42.235.96 (talk) 04:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  gas vs diesel mixup 

message: I remember when this used to be discussed on alt.folklore.urban on Usenet; there was a persistent belief that some early board wargame, probably PanzerBlitz or something like that, having a dog mine counter in some edition (supposedly quickly removed after negative reaction). Is this something anybody's come across? Daniel Case (talk) 04:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog mine counter? 

message: This seems quite comprehensive in terms of sources, but at the moment it badly needs a copy-edit for grammar and prose, which is not upto GA standards at the moment. I can certainly have a go at it for the nominating editor, or an outside copy-editor can be found, but it needs to be done before a GA review can go ahead - I don't want to fail it. Skinny87 (talk) 17:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've had a go at copy editing it, hopefully it reads better now. Miyagawa (talk) 19:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit better, yes, but it still needs work. I'll go over the article today sometime before I start the review. Skinny87 (talk) 08:40, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-GA Review Comments 

message: Viktor Suvorov - Spetsnaz: The Inside Story of the Soviet Special Forces, page 103
60,000 dogs in combat+an unknown number for transport and other duties  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KRIK OF MAN (talk • contribs) 16:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Viktor Suvorov was criticized for the veracity of his facts and is not a reliable source. We need the sources which he used. Materialscientist (talk) 22:44, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that possible, does the story site sources?Beefcake6412 (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There were many discussions of his books, in which he might mention the sources. Materialscientist (talk) 22:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over 60,000 dogs were used in WW2 

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