Talk:SAP

message: In the IT industry it has been noted in several publications that SAP has a world class marketing and sales organization, which often over sells products in order to gain key industry clients http://www.messagesthatmatter.com/columns/sap.shtml.  Obviously, one could argue that this is an opinion, but seeing some of the contributing authors to this and other related Wiki pages it is worth consideration. 
What do you think? Oregon MicroDude (talk) 01:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales and Marketing Campaign:

message: Third largest after MS, IBM and Oracle should make it fourth largest, not third largest
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It's the Third Largest software Company. IBM is a hardware company, unless I'm much mistaken
NeoNemesis
: See World's largest software companies for Forbes view on this. --S.K. 12:34, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The forbes list was done in 2000. The world has changed a lot since then! 74.65.39.59 01:07, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's called the Forbes2000 because it tracks the 'top 2000' companies.  The data is from the 2006 survey, and is partitioned from the 'software and services' category. Kuru talk 01:18, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Check . This list was compiled in 2009, and ranks companies against their Software related revenue. Even after removing IBM's hardware revenue, it still places second, between Microsoft and Oracle. SAP should be in 4th place.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.70.41 (talk) 07:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third largest? 

message: What is AG in SAP AG?
     
:AG is short for Aktiengesellschaft and it means the shares are publicly traded. Richmd 00:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is AG in SAP AG? 

message: What is the full form of BASIS ?
  "Business Application Software Integration System"
:This is a garbage backronym. Basis is a German word roughly equivalent to English 'base'. That's where the idea of 'basis' gets its name. (Then again - ABAP is a garbage backronym as well, isn't it? So we'll never know.) 196.209.165.114 (talk) 18:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Too much says citation needed and suspiciously it's the parts that trumpets SAP. If it's here next week I think it should be removed. Lazy people write things then expect others to do the hard work and get the sources. Needless to say some companies have been found to be editing themselves on Wikipedia.
:Those citation needed tags have been there for months, it is obvious that no one has found a source to cite, in fact just looking at stock sites one can find that the valuation of SAP AG is not higher than even its main competitor Oracle, its not higher than Microsoft, or Google, one I suppose could argue about it, but it is silly without an actual reference to cite we are just  interpreting data, which I think might be considered original research or not. Find a source by June 8th or all statements tagged citation needed will be removed. Please don't complain about the short notice the tags were there for over 2 months, you can add statements back in once you have a source. Have a nice day, and good luck on your search, I couldn't find anything, but maybe you can :). --JVittes 20:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed or removal 

message: Good link. Mathmo Talk 21:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source giving timeline for SAP 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SAP logo.png

message: The history section refers to a company called ICI but the link in the article (like the one in this comment!) is to a disambiguation page including a number of companies called ICI, 2 or 3 of whom seem to me like they could plausibly be the relevant one. Please could someone who knows update the link. 83.244.156.78 (talk) 11:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which ICI? 

message: Seriously now, what does this mean?
In 1973 the SAP R/1 solution was launched. Six years later, in 1979, SAP launched SAP R/2. In 1981, SAP brought a completely re-designed solution to market. With the change from R/2 to R/3 in 1992, SAP followed the trend from mainframe computing to client-server architectures. The development of SAP’s internet strategy with mySAP.com redesigned the concept of business processes (integration via Internet).
This is all just marketing gibberish with citations from their own website. Reads like a series of press releases compressed into single sentences. Perhaps this section should be rewritten or removed altogether?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.12.151.160 (talk) 11:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Milestones technical solutions? 

message: I removed "Given the history of the SAP AG corporation, it has been reported that Mike Godwin granted an exemption to those questioning the company's association with the Third Reich." - seriously not even a notation on what is obviously slander? It makes no sense and has no proof.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Callonjim (talk • contribs) 23:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Reich??? 

message: The phrase "Later SAP admitted wrong-doing on smaller scale than Oracle claimed in the lawsuit." seems to imply that the admission was part of a settlement, but apparently this is not the case, as Oracle released an ammended complaint as of August 2009.  Is the case ongoing or not? Can we say specifically whether it is?ADStark (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the impact of the verdict that SAP should pay $1.3Bn to Oracle Corp. for copyright infringement, this should be included in the article. Crnorizec (talk) 02:53, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lawsuit Ongoing 

message: The Spiegel article has several major problems.  I can't read German, so I've used Google Translator.
# First of all, the article does not claim that SAP grows organically.  It says:  This is a company line, and should be presented with this acknowledgement.  No neutral report would ever claim that "X company grows organically whereas Y company does not."
# The Der Spiegel report seems terribly biased in other ways, casting the Oracle CEO as a "whiner".  I'm shocked that this would be cited as unbiased information.
Using Google translate discredits your assessment of the article. If you feel like criticizing foreign language media outlets pay a professional translator or learn the language.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.42.128.144 (talk) 10:34, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiegel Article 

message: This is the worst Wikipedia page I have ever seen, if you count badness * size. Lots of almost uncomprehensible text. Did they use Google Translate from Germany or what???  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.100.12.194 (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's better now, but it is still awkward in places.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.225.33.104 (talk) 23:23, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreadable English 

message: I've read the article and I still can't understand what SAP really is and what it does. It uses highly technical wording (that may or may not be understood). I guess this page is only useful for those who already know what SAP is (or maybe not)! Needs to be rewritten.Pm master (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still can't understand what SAP is 

message: I don't understand why the logo :File:SAP logo.svg was substituted with :File:SAP logo.png. No explanation was given for the change. Looking at the SAP website and the company's publications the SVG version of the logo seems to be the correct one. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:02, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: It looks like the external links have been spammed: is http://tutorialsap.com a relevant website? The "about SAP" links to a website in Estonian (according to Google Translate), the ecodesk and old link to a news magazine are also odd. Removing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simontalbal (talk • contribs) 18:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: As it can be checked here, a no-longer-existing user called Daemeonr inserted the following paragraph in the history section:
"As part of the Xerox exit strategy from the computer industry, Xerox retained IBM to migrate their business systems to IBM technology. As part of IBM's compensation for the migration, IBM acquired the SDS/SAPE software, reputedly for a contract credit of $80,000. The SAPE software was given by IBM to the founding ex-IBM employees in exchange for founding stock provided to IBM, reputedly 8%. It may be noted that, at the time they left IBM, the ex-employees were quite senior staff in IBM Germany rather than founding engineers in the sense of Hewlett-Packard's founders"
It is a verbatim copy of a book on CRM (it can be checked here). In fact, after realizing this, I noticed that almost everything in the history section is a verbatim copy of this book... --Jasón (talk) 19:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verbatim of copyrighted material 

message: "BlueCube  Information Technology  Provides Modern On the internet IT Training/E-Learning Solutions on Program Applications of SAP, Java, Company Professional (BA), ORACLE APPS, Information Warehousing(DWH), Analyzing Tools(QA/QTP), SAS, Expose Aspect, Dot Net Training etc., to all Working/Non Managing Candidates With Far away Technology through out USA, UAE, The united states, Native indian, UK,  Quotes and Many other Places.http://www.bluecubeit.com/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.29.238.130 (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLUECUBEIT  

message: I have started a Causes section, as the company has joined the (RED) campaign.--Soulparadox (talk) 07:14, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section 

message: May not meet notability guidelines or standalone article. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 03:50, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[SAP for Retail]] 

message: This article contains data from 2007 (seven years old at the time of writing), so I have inserted the template. I have added this to my Watchlist, so I will try and find new sources.--Soulparadox (talk) 01:38, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update template 

message: 169.145.3.20 
:. I have removed your suggested text above as it appears chock full of copyright violations and plagiarism, in the form of lifted text and far-too-close paraphrasing. For example, your first cite is to a source that starts with:
::*"The Executive Board is the governing body of SAP SE..." 
:Which is cited for suggested content that starts with
::*"The Executive Board is the governing body of SAP SE..."
:Another example – this time close paraphrasing: cite 10's source says:
::*"SAP offers on-premise, cloud, and hybrid deployments to give real choice to customers."
:And your suggested text is:
::*"It offers cloud, on-premise and hybrid deployment options to provide more choice to customers." 
:The way you did this so carefully and cited your sources (and the fact that you disclosed your conflict of interest) leaves me with no doubt you did not know you were doing anything improper in the form these suggestions took, but you cannot use other's copyrighted text in this manner. This is an overriding concern, but were this not present, then I would be telling you that swaths of the suggested text reads as quite promotional. This is entirely without prejudice to a second attempt, keeping the matter I've raised in mind. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:49, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding sections on corporate affairs, acquisitions, the role of millennials and CSR. 

message: Can we please add a new section on SAP's leadership? And can we please add more detail about the acquisition of Concur and SucessFactors under Acquisitions? These proposed edits take into account Wikipedia's rules against copyright infringement and non-promotional copy. 
===Leadership===
The Executive Board of SAP oversees all the activities of the company. Bill McDermott, CEO and Chairman, joined it in 2008. Robert Enslin, President, Global Customer Operations, joined in 2014. Bernd Leukert heads up Products and Innovation, and was made a member of the Executive Board in 2014. Chief Financial Officer and Chief Operating Officer Luka Mucic joined the Executive Board in 2014. Gerhard Oswald has been part of this governing body since 1996.Executive Board 
===Acquisitions===
In 2014, SAP bought Concur Technologies Inc. in a deal valued at $8.3 billion, expanding its cloud-based software portfolio.SAP To Acquire Concur Technologies To Boost Cloud Sales, Forbes, 22 September 2014
Analyst Thomas Becker of Commerzbank questioned whether Concur was the right choice for SAP. Credit Suisse called the acquisition an “aggressive” move.SAP to Acquire Concur Technologies, WSJ, 19 September 2014
In 2012, Bloomberg noted that businesses are “increasingly choosing to store and process data on the Web” and SAP was shifting “many of its staple applications to the Internet.”SAP to Acquire Ariba for $4.3 Billion in Push Into Cloud, Bloomberg News, 23 May 2012
Also, in 2012, SAP acquired SuccessFactors, which develops Human Capital Management (HCM) software on premise and in the cloud. After Closing $3.4B Acquisition Of SuccessFactors, SAP Pushes Human Capital Management In The Cloud, TechCrunch, 22 February 2012
:The acquisitions are already mentioned in the list. The significance to SAP's business strategy would probably be better summarized in a subsection of its own, apart from the "acquisitions" list, say "Shift to cloud". Regarding the "Leadership", other software companies largely only list CEOs or people with articles of their own. IBM provides a similar list, but every single member of their Board of Directors has a Wikipedia article. What I'd find more relevant than the list of names and dates is whether SAP switched from a German-style dual structure of Vorstand and Ausichtsrat to a single Board when they became a SE - "oversees all the activities of the company" would suggest so, but apparently a separate Supervisory Board still exists and oversees the Executive Board, and there's also an advisory "Global Managing Board". Some third-party source discussing SAP's structure of boards would probably be helpful.
:For now I'll add something IBM-style about the Board and possibly fiddle a little with the cloud stuff. Huon (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Leadership section and expanding Acquisitions section

message: In 2014, SAP bought Concur Technologies Inc. in a deal valued at $8.3 billion, expanding its cloud-based software portfolio.SAP To Acquire Concur Technologies To Boost Cloud Sales, Forbes, 22 September 2014
Analyst Thomas Becker of Commerzbank questioned whether Concur was the right choice for SAP. Credit Suisse called the acquisition an “aggressive” move.SAP to Acquire Concur Technologies, WSJ, 19 September 2014
In 2012, Bloomberg noted that businesses are “increasingly choosing to store and process data on the Web” and SAP was shifting “many of its staple applications to the Internet.”SAP to Acquire Ariba for $4.3 Billion in Push Into Cloud, Bloomberg News, 23 May 2012
Also, in 2012, SAP acquired SuccessFactors, which develops Human Capital Management (HCM) software on premise and in the cloud. After Closing $3.4B Acquisition Of SuccessFactors, SAP Pushes Human Capital Management In The Cloud, TechCrunch, 22 February 2012
:The acquisitions are already mentioned in the list. The significance to SAP's business strategy would probably be better summarized in a subsection of its own, apart from the "acquisitions" list, say "Shift to cloud". Regarding the "Leadership", other software companies largely only list CEOs or people with articles of their own. IBM provides a similar list, but every single member of their Board of Directors has a Wikipedia article. What I'd find more relevant than the list of names and dates is whether SAP switched from a German-style dual structure of Vorstand and Ausichtsrat to a single Board when they became a SE - "oversees all the activities of the company" would suggest so, but apparently a separate Supervisory Board still exists and oversees the Executive Board, and there's also an advisory "Global Managing Board". Some third-party source discussing SAP's structure of boards would probably be helpful.
:For now I'll add something IBM-style about the Board and possibly fiddle a little with the cloud stuff. Huon (talk) 19:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Acquisitions

message: Vchimpanzee •  talk • contributions •  21:06, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Another user removed some content from this section and edited the article, which leads me to believe the requested changes were incorporated... toggling this... as it stands, this is an empty section. — Andy W. (talk · ctb) 16:47, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  SAP S/4HANA link 

message: Hello, I've worked with a Wikipedia community member to try to rephrase the S/4 section so that it doesn't sound promotional. Might we now we take the orange banner down? If not, how might the section be further improved or made more objective? Thank you. Harper70 (talk) 15:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banner above S/4 Section 

message: Since the current information in the article references programs from 2013, would it be possible to update this section with newer material by adding the below? Harper70 (talk) 15:24, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Philanthropic Efforts 

message: The organization section would benefit from updated information. Many of the members of the Executive Board are named. However, the following executives are also on that Board: Michael Kleinemeier, Stefan Ries, and Steve Singh. In addition, Luka Mucic is CFO, not CFO and COO. I'd certainly appreciate it if the community could make these edits. As an SAP employee, I cannot make them directly. Thank you!! Harper70 (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:51, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Organization

message: Would it be possible to make a few minor corrections to the last 3 sentences of the Organization section? I would suggest rewording as follows: SAP Labs is mainly responsible for product development whereas the field organizations, which are spread across many countries, are responsible for field activities such sales, marketing and consulting. Headquarters is responsible for overall management, as well as core engineering and activities related to product development. SAP customer support, also called Active Global Support (AGS), supports SAP customers worldwide. Harper70 (talk) 21:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I was tempted to simply remove the entire section for its lack of third-party sources. I presume better sources than just SAP's rather promotional press releases exist; thus I've left it for now and adapted the grammar (though I disagreed with some of the proposed changes that to me seemed to miss the point the section tried to make: There are several Labs, multiple "field organizations", but just a single headquarters (obviously) and a single customer service organization. Huon (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical Fixes 

message: Would it be possible to add this image of the founders to the section that details the history/founding of the company? Link is: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ASAP_History_Founders_001.jpg. This would provide some visual interest to an otherwise text-heavy page. Another good one would be of Hasso Plattner: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ASAP_History_Founders_004.jpg. Thanks in advance. Harper70 (talk) 21:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Those images seem problematic from a copyright point of view. "SAP allows journalists and others to download and use the images for journalistic purposes." is not compatible with the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 license which would allow everybody to re-use and modify the images for any purpose, including commercial purposes. At the very least, someone who is in a position to enter legally binding agreements on SAP's behalf should contact OTRS at  to confirm that SAP indeed has irrevocably released the images under CC BY-SA 4.0. If that permission cannot be obtained, the images must be deleted. I'd resolve that before adding them to the article. Huon (talk) 22:52, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

text: A standard release form for freely licensed content can be found at WP:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. Just to give one silly example, under CC BY-SA I could photoshop a goatee onto the image of Plattner, print it on t-shirts, and sell them for profit, as long as I release my Plattner-with-goatee image under CC BY-SA too and credit SAP as the copyright holder. I rather don't think that would be covered by any stretch of "journalistic purposes", showing that that's not enough for compatibility with the kind of free license Wikipedia requires. Huon (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Images 

message: Since this article might benefit from additional sources and citations within the SAP S/4HANA section, I’ve provided the below:
At SAP TechEd Las Vegas in September 2016, SAP introduced SAP HANA, Express Edition. It allows for application development on a PC or in the cloud, and would let developers and students create apps without costly infrastructure. SAP aims to court more HANA developers, launches express edition ZDNet , 16 September 2016 Harper70 (talk) 21:28, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimmed wording a bit but mostly added as requested. Thanks for your input! Ajpolino (talk) 00:49, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding to the SAP S/4HANA section 

message: Would it be possible to include a short section on the recognition that SAP has received as being one of the best places work? This would give readers a stronger sense of the culture within the company. I’ve provided the suggested text below for your consideration. Thank you!
In 2016, Glassdoor named SAP the best place to work in GermanyBest Place to Work in Germany , Glassdoor, the tenth best place to work in CanadaBest Places to Work in Canada , Glassdoor and ranked SAP as #15 among all employers in the U.S.Best Places to Work in the U.S. , Glassdoor. In addition, SAP was named among the best places to work in the UK.Best Places to Work in the UK , Glassdoor Harper70 (talk) 21:34, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: per the same rationale as Fylbecatulous on Bill McDermott. Altamel (talk) 22:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: SAP Named One of the Best Places to Work 

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message: Since there is another article called Sap, How are we going to get this article to avoid confusion? 76.188.240.96 (talk) 23:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Sap article