Talk:Music for 18 Musicians

message: The introduction to this piece implies that the piece can be played by a mimium of 18 musicians - however the listed intruments amount to 19  - what gives?
: Music for 18 Musicians was written for a cello, violin, two clarinets (both players double on bass clarinet), four pianos, three marimbas, two xylophones, a metallophone, maracas, and four women's voices.
--84.203.32.156 22:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you actually read the article? It explains that in detail. —Keenan Pepper 22:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: There must be an interesting story behind the album cover artwork. Who designed it? Presumably the pattern is related to the music in some way, no?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.41.25.146 (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover artwork 

message: This page is for the composition. The album now has it's own page, currently at Music for 18 Musicians (album) TlonicChronic (talk) 15:46, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this article about the composition or a specific album? 

message: I'm a user of wikipedia. Not really interested in doing much editing here.  I noticed there don't seem to be citations for most of this page.  However, I'm also looking at Reich's Book, "Writings on Music" and a lot of the material (sometimes verbatim) looks like it could have come from there.  That would be a great place to start for a dedicated Wikipedian...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.126.212.25 (talk) 06:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is without citations 

message: Hi  I think we should discuss your recent move of the article, creating a situation where the Music for 18 Musicians article is about the CD released in 1978 and a separate article is about the composition.
* It's gone technically wrong, because the two distinct articles now have the same Talk page.
* It's the wrong way round. It doesn't make sense for the article about the composition to be at Music for 18 Musicians (composition) while the main article is about one recording (out of dozens that exist). Kids are learning in schools about the composition, not the 1978 CD. Books and research papers are mainly about the composition, not the one recording. When users search for "Music for 18 Musicians" it's logical to assume they want to read about the composition, and that notable individual recordings or performances will have sub-articles off that article.
* I don't see any attempt of yours to gain consensus for this change. You should have known it would be contradictory to policy, or at least controversial, and set out your reasoning for doing it your way.
Please can we have the articles named sensibly and each with their own Talk page? Thanks in advance, MartinPoulter (talk) 13:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for causing confusion. If you think they should be reversed, by all means, that's okay by me. They just shouldn't be together. I didn't mean to cause the talk page issue; I'm still new to editing—I'm just going through the ECM released and standardizing them, and I figured I would remove the composition from the album's page. TlonicChronic (talk) 14:32, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for being so understanding. I see you're doing a lot of work standardising the articles about ECM releases, which is great! In the case of article naming, there are policies we need to follow: we have to be reader-centric, not ECM-centric. ;) MartinPoulter (talk) 15:11, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I was planning on having one be composition and the other be 1978 album, because one is a composition and there are around a dozen album releases of the piece, but I didn't move both to avoid being yelled at for double page moving. I don't think the other needs to be changed back from composition tbh. If anything, maybe a disambig page would be more useful, but I definitely understand the precedent concern. The big issue seems to be the overlapping talk page, which I don't know how to fix. TlonicChronic (talk) 15:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

text: The redirects on other pages are definitely a concern though. If you wanted I could go through the pages that link to 18 Musicians and make sure they reach the composition page. TlonicChronic (talk) 15:30, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the help! Very happy to have the two pages separate now. I did my best to separate the purely album stuff from the composition page, and I added the remaining necessaries to the album as best I could. I don't think there's anything else to remove, but do you think a portion of the "composition" section from the composition page should be copied over and slightly reworked for the album page? TlonicChronic (talk) 15:53, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles should be swapped