Talk:Siphonophorae

message: Some real scientific references should be added, instead of quoting from a blog (pinktentacle).
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thread_title:  Add real references 

message: An explanation of my edit: previously stated in one sentence "Each zooid is an individual" and in the next "Thus it is debatable whether zooids or siphonophora are individuals."  As I understand it, the 'individual' has many current definitions in biology depending on viewpoint, and both zooid and colony can be seen as individuals depending on your precise definition.  The real debate is whether siphonophores are truly colonial or multicellular (see Colony (biology) for definitions.)  I've not attempted to decide on this - I'm a medic, not a marine biologist - but have reworded accordingly.  Feel free to disagree!
Dr Almost 05:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolved self-contradiction 

message: Someone with expertise, please explain how these things reproduce. If they are organisms worthy of a species name, they should have some way to reproduce. How does that happen with symbiotic critters like this?
Metrodorus (talk) 06:49, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here with the same question, it seems if there are multiple parts that cannot survive without each other but each is an organism on it's own... they would all have to reproduce at the exact same time to create offspring, no? ☠  Travis McCrea (T)(C) 21:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

text: I also came with the same question. This is obviously a key bit of info missing from the article. Someone with knowledge please add a "Reproductions" section. Fig (talk) 13:01, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Hi, anyone who knows mote then me about these creatures, please look into this and possibility of exgtracting something, https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28022-flying-spaghetti-monster-caught-on-video-off-the-angolan-coast/ Thanks, regards, Rui Gabriel Correia (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New[??] species filmed off Angola at depth of more than 1000 metres 

message: New Glimpses of Rare Deep Sea Siphonphores, Sci Am bolg entry? By Jennifer Frazer on October 6, 2017
Very cool stuff. I know practically nothing about siphonophores.... --Pete Tillman (talk) 22:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New siphonophore videoa @SA 

message: See this page which says "They are not, as some might tell you, colonies of single-celled organisms, nor do they "come together" to form a colony" and points to a more thorough discussion at this site.
I'll leave it to someone more qualified than I am to find out what the actual scientific consensus is as of right now, but the second page does give a very strong argument for calling siphonophorae individuals instead of colonies: 
"Is a single zooid or an entire colony the siphonophore “individual”? The answer is that you have to specify what features you are interested in before you can expect a meaningful answer. Do you mean ecologically? The entire colony functions as a single organism whether it is predator or prey. So the colony is an ecological individual. The same can be said for behavior. How about evolutionarily? There are two different components to this question. If we ask how evolution acts on siphonophores now, they are individuals. All the parts of the colony are genetically identical and the colony lives or dies as a whole (except for the eudoxids described later). So siphonophores are evolutionary individuals with respect to how natural selection shapes them today. The other way to look at evolutionary individuals is by descent. We can do this by taking a look at two animals and asking which structures descend from the same feature of a common ancestor. Just as this leads us to recognize that bat wings are modified arms, it shows that siphonophore zooids are polyps and medusae, structures that can be free living animals in other species. So this argument leads to the conclusion that the zooids of siphonophores are individuals. This is not contradictory to our previous conclusions, we are just looking at a different feature of individuality."
--SoLongSidekick (talk) 16:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems like this entire page needs a factual overhaul  

message: Haddock, Steven H. D., Dunn, Casey W., Pugh, Philip R., Schnitzler, Christine E. (2005). Bioluminescent and Red-Fluorescent Lures in a Deep-Sea Siphonophore. Science, vol. 309, p. 263. DOI: 10.1126/science.1110441
Purcell, Jennifer E. (1980). Influence of Siphonophore Behavior upon Their Natural Diets: Evidence for Aggressive Mimicry. Science, vol. 209, pp. 1045-1047. DOI: 10.1126/science.209.4460.1045
Palma, Sergio, Cabello, Fabiola, Silva, Nelson, Canepa, Antonio (2017). Siphonophores of the Chiloé Inland Sea: biodiversity, spatial distribution, and environmental association. Marine Biodiversity vol. 48, pp. 1731-1742. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-017-0662-y. 
Araya, Juan Francisco, Aliaga, Juan Antonio, Esther Araya, Marta (2016). On the distribution of Physalia physalis (Hydrozoa: Physaliidae) in Chile. Marine Biodiversity vol. 46 pp. 731-735. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-015-0417-6 
Costello, John H., Colin, Sean P., Gemmell, Brad J., Dabiri, John O., Sutherland, Kelly R. (2015). Multi-jet propulsion organized by clonal development in a colonial siphonophore. Nature Communications, vol. 6, 8185. DOI: 10.1038/ncomms9158
Mapstone, Gillian M. (2014). Global Diversity and Review of Siphonophorae (Cnidaria: Hydrozoa). Public Library of Science, vol. 9, 2. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0087737
:Antoniaisrael (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Students' Bibliography  

message: - Add a section discussing siphonophore tentilla and a section discussing nematocysts.
::Purcell, Jennifer E. (1980). Influence of Siphonophore Behavior upon Their Natural Diets: Evidence for Aggressive Mimicry. Science, vol. 209, pp. 1045-1047. DOI: 10.1126/science.209.4460.1045
::Mapstone, Gillian M. (2014). Global Diversity and Review of Siphonophorae (Cnidaria: Hydrozoa). Public Library of Science, vol. 9, 2. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0087737
- Add a section about the presence and environmental impact of siphonophores on the Chilean coast.
::Palma, Sergio, Cabello, Fabiola, Silva, Nelson, Canepa, Antonio (2017). Siphonophores of the Chiloé Inland Sea: biodiversity, spatial distribution, and environmental association. Marine Biodiversity vol. 48, pp. 1731-1742. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-017-0662-y.
::Araya, Juan Francisco, Aliaga, Juan Antonio, Esther Araya, Marta (2016). On the distribution of Physalia physalis (Hydrozoa: Physaliidae) in Chile. Marine Biodiversity vol. 46 pp. 731-735. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-015-0417-6
- Add a section about siphonophore ecological roles (e.g. Muggiaea Atlantica's negative effect on salmon farming).
::Palma, Sergio, Cabello, Fabiola, Silva, Nelson, Canepa, Antonio (2017). Siphonophores of the Chiloé Inland Sea: biodiversity, spatial distribution, and environmental association. Marine Biodiversity vol. 48, pp. 1731-1742. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-017-0662-y.
- Add more on the siphonophore Portuguese Man o' War (Physalia physalis). It can be found in tropical/subtropical regions, floats on the surface due to its air bladder, navigates due to its erectile sailing crest, its dacylzooids are capable of discharging venomous toxins that can potentially cause vasomotor dysfunction and collapse in humans, etc.
::Araya, Juan Francisco, Aliaga, Juan Antonio, Esther Araya, Marta (2016). On the distribution of Physalia physalis (Hydrozoa: Physaliidae) in Chile. Marine Biodiversity vol. 46 pp. 731-735. DOI: 10.1007/s12526-015-0417-6
- Add more photos to make the text more engaging.
- Add the date that siphonophores first evolved.
Antoniaisrael (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
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