Talk:René Magritte

message: Can someone do clean up the Philosophical and artistic gestures? It's really long-winded. --somesuch
It's a painting of a pipe. I call it abstract surrealism. Since surrealism was based off of freud, along with the conscious interpreation of visual perception, i call it surreal. --Cyberman 21:56, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Request

message: Before my edit, the article contained two references to the translation of La trahison des images as The Betrayal of Images and one to The Treachery of Images. I changed the former to conform to the latter. My reasoning (besides the fact that I've always heard of this particular painting referred to as The Treachery... and never The Betrayal...) is that although the French trahison can mean either "betrayal" or "treachery," the two English words have very distinct meanings -- a betrayal is a treacherous action, and "betrayal" without the indefinite article refers to specific treacherous acts being committed, whereas "treachery" is the character trait of being prone to committing such acts -- and Magritte seems to clearly mean that images can be deceptive by their nature, not that images are collectively committing a single act of betrayal. So The Treachery of Images seems to me to be the better translation. Andrew Levine 07:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It only means a blow-job by derivation from its main meaning, a dick.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.29.100.100 (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treachery/Betrayal of Images 

message: I have done a web search for this title and couldn't find any matching images. The title however, was mentioned in an article on the website mysanantonio.com. You can visit the article by clicking here. The description in that article seems to match that of a work from 1950 titled The Legend of the Centuries, which already appears in the list. If anyone is familiar with this work they could run an image search for The Legend of the Centuries to see if it is the same. Justin Foote 01:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Young Gaze Scents the Festivity of the Old Tree'' 

message: I would like to propose a ban against this IP for vandalism. (Sorry if I can't do that here) BDM1039 01:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban 72.10.122.167 

message: Please do not insert your photograph of the article's subject at the top of the page, as was done on 23 November with Henry Moore and René Magritte, without discussing it here on the Talk page.  Even if the photograph did show us clearly what the artist looked like, and these do not, such an addition should be discussed here first.  The photo caption credit to wikilinked Lothar Wolleh is also troubling, as the Lothar Wolleh article has two lines about the photographer, then approximately 100 wikilinked (most of them red) artists' names, and one external link – to Wolleh's web site. 
Beyond the simple addition of such photographs, on 16 November an image of arguably the most famous work of each of these artists was replaced by the same photographs.  Please cease this harmful behavior.  --CliffC 04:01, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo additions; disrespectful substitutions for the artists' actual work 

message: Hello everybody, hello CliffC,
I am very new to this forum and I obviously underestimated the complexity of the editing process. I therefore like first of all to apologize that I made things more complicated. I registered now at Wikipedia making myself familiar with the procedures. 
Let me respond to CliffC´s comments. I am suggesting to add the portrait of Magritte into the article. This portrait captures significant elements of the work of René Magritte and is in a way toying with his symbolism (the bowler head, suit, curtain). I therefore think that it fits really well into the article corresponding also to the Magritte pictures displayed in the article. 
Placing: Since this photo tells us something about the artist I would place it at the beginning of the article but this does not have to be so necessarily because it is a portrait that does not show Magritte´s face. A classical face front foto would be certainly better for encyclopaedic article. 
Linking: The linking is not necessary. Particularly because CliffC is right that the current English article on the photographer Wolleh is hardly in an embryonic stage and looks in deed quite strange at the moment. The German version is certainly more developed. I hope the English will develop soon too. 
One point I did not understand in your comment CliffC and that is the part regarding the “replacing”. I am not aware to have deleted something or replaced. I inserted the photo to the article but for me this is not a “disrespectful substitution”. The photo I am suggesting to place in the article is not just an ordinary snap-shop like “Magritte entering one of his exhibitions”. It is a portrait-situation authorised by Magritte himself that emerged in a cooperative process between him and the photographer and that was mend to be part of a book. 
I hope you find my arguments convincing. Let me state that I will not upload the photo again if we do not reach something like a consensus. 
Looking forward to your comments. 
-- SG
:I have responded over in Talk:Henry Moore where some discussion of this has already begun. --CliffC 22:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding portait of Magritte 

message: Could somebody include a small fair use version of La Grande Famille in this article?--GunnarRene 05:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  La Grande Famille 

message: I noticed similarities between this website - www.annlongfineart.com/artists/magritte/ - and the 'life' section of this article. Blubba112 06:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An examination of the edit history of this article shows that it has reached its present form through incremental additions and rewrites by many contributors, so it's safe to say our article is not a plagiarism. It looks like www.annlongfineart.com/artists/magritte/ is using text created in Wikipedia, which would be ok if they referenced Wikipedia as source and showed GFDL. I'll add this to Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks -- thanks! Ewulp 02:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy of other Information 

message: My browser crashed twice when downloading that site. has anybody else had the same issues? if so, should we note it?--Art 4 Ever 10:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The site seems to be a triumph of ain't-this-cool web design over easily-found content, but it worked for me using Firefox 2.0.0.7 once I figured out where to hover the mouse.  Anyone else?  --CliffC 17:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magritte Foundation Link 

message: Belgium converted to euros in 2002. Was the Magritte franc issued in 1998 rather than 2008?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.72.103 (talk) 00:41, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It must have been another year. As above poster said, there are no Francs in Belgium since 2002 so it is impossible that there is a 2008 Belgian Franc note.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.8.9.125 (talk) 10:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgian Franc 

message: The Google homepage is currently (21st November 0122 GMT) showing a combination of images depicting the work of Magritte (The Son of Man and Golconda) to celebrate his 110th birthday. Could someone update the popular culture section to highlight this fact? Yellhell (talk) 01:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Google homepage

message: Can someone add this? Its from the Jethro Tull Album: Too Old To Rock and Roll Too Young to Die (1976)The Song: From A Dead Beat To An Old Greaser
Lyrics are 
From a dead beat to an old greaser, here's thinking of you.
You won't remember the long nights;
coffee bars; black tights and white thighs
in shop windows where blonde assistants fully-fashioned a world made
of dummies (with no mummies or daddies to reject them).
When bombs were banned every Sunday and the Shadows played F.B.I.
And tired young sax-players sold their instruments of torture ---
sat in the station sharing wet dreams of Charlie Parker,
Jack Kerouac, Ren\'e Magritte, to name a few of the heroes
who were too wise for their own good --- left the young brood to
go on living without them.
Old queers with young faces --- who remember your name,
though you're a dead beat with tired feet;
two ends that don't meet.
To a dead beat from an old greaser.
Think you must have me all wrong.
I didn't care, friend. I wasn't there, friend,
If it's the price of pint that you need, ask me again.
Thanks, Kev  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.128.206.7 (talk) 08:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed Answer

message: The late 1960's early 1970's jazz-rock band Dreams (band) adapted Magritte's Golconda for the cover of their 1970 self-titled album (Label: Scorpio # ASIN: B000005MQK). The faces of the men in the painting were replaced with the faces of band members.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazarus108 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture 

message: One of the 20th centuries most important Surrealist painters and the modest number of his works seen on this page in the gallery is essential to a better understanding of his body of work..for educational and art historical purposes..Modernist (talk) 21:59, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perennial waste of time since it seems consensus will never be achieved one way of the other. I can't get excited about this instance one way or the other. --Rodhullandemu 23:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough and I agree it's not worth fighting about...but the arguments continue...Modernist (talk) 23:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

text: *sigh*, another example of fair use abuse. This clearly fails the Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. The statement by Kat Walsh is quite clear. To quote "are hard to discuss in an educational context without including the media". The gallery images are not discussed, they are decorational. Garion96 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and I disagree with User:Garion96..I know the images are not just decoration (although an argument can be made that all works of visual art are decoration) and I also know that the images should be further discussed specifically in the article..I'm willing to compromise - by making a smaller more essential group in the gallery - say four images..then add text...and text to accompany any other painting will be added. This has worked on other articles...Modernist (talk) 22:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way all the images in the gallery are justified at the moment by the text. I've fitted images to text, where the text exists and there are now four images, which I think are the very maximum currently justified by the existing article to show the range of his work. I suggest the best stratagem is to omit images, until such time as the text demands them. This is currently not a long article. Images can always be replaced. Ty 22:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In theory we are in agreement, although I'd prefer to have left a gallery with 4 images...Modernist (talk) 22:47, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Galleries of non-free images are a lost cause. You've been able to successfully integrate increased text with images elsewhere, and this is what we need to encourage. Note from the statement you've quoted about images "that are hard to discuss in an educational context without including the media itself" (my emphasis). We have to say the rule is: no discussion = no image. I would however dispute that images of an artist's work in an article about the artist can ever, by definition, be purely decoration, as they are always valid information. That doesn't mean they meet wikipedia non-free inclusion requirements as currently practised, however. Ty 23:10, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Magritte's painting in the gallery

message: I just want to alert you that the ZPI website is showing the Belgian-like content on it dedicated to the 110th anniversary of Magritte. I will post an image and update the article on it if possible. RYAN 3000 (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zapato Productions Intradimensional website gone belgish 

message: Roger Daltrey's solo album One Of the Boys (Roger Daltrey album) features an homage to the Magritte painting Not To Be Reproduced on the cover. 68.191.161.197 (talk) 00:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are likely to be hundreds of usages of Magritte's work; we cannot include every single time his work has been used or a homage made to it.  A few key examples are already in the article, and they already show how pervasive his work was; additional examples are unlikely to add to the quality of the article.  Instead, the article will devolve into a random list of the uses of Magritte's work, which doesn't exactly make for quality reading.  --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture Omission

message: It's open today.I have visited and it's mesmerizing.The official opening is the Monday 2 June but the inauguration for the public is today and the intrance for this special occasion is totally free (only today).So If you are in brussels today , don't miss it.--Titi2 (talk) 10:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magriite Museum 's opening 

message: The article claims that Magritte performed his military service in "Leopoldsberg, Austria" -- this is a mistake.  According to the web-site of the Magritte foundation (), Magritte performed his service from December 1920 until September 1921 in the Flemish town of Beverlo near Leopoldsburg -- off by only one letter, but quite a few kilometers.  The suggest change is:
Remove: "Before they were married, Magritte went overseas to serve in the Belgian infantry in Leopoldsberg, Austria, and Antwerp, Belgium from 1921 to the first half of 1922."
Insert: "From December 1920 until September 1921, Magritte served in the Belgian infantry in the Flemish town of Beverlo near Leopoldsburg."
Cparedis (talk) 15:17, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in reference to military service 

message: I have removed two images that are not used properly here per WP:NFC#UUI item 6 (where the picture has its own article you cannot reproduce the picture in other more general articles but you should link to the wiki article).  It's not fair use.   There are probably additional pictures here that should be rm per policy. Alanscottwalker (talk) 20:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio on multiple images 

message: This guy didn't have much of a personal life, did he?
All it says in this section is "Magritte was an agnostic."
That's it?  For his entire life, all he ever did in his off-time was ponder the lack of evidence for God?
He had no family; never married; never worked at any profession other than "artiste"?  He had no hobbies or interests other than his work and his doubt about deity?  He never owned a house, went to the opera, cultivated any friendships, discoursed or corresponded with other artists?  Never expressed a political opinion?  No pets?
I think I've made my point:  if you're going to have a "personal life" section, then put something in it, eh?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life 

message: Did René Magritte have face blindness? All of his paintings I have seen show the face being covered up.  Did he intentionally say he was painting people with prosopagnosia?  If so this should be added to the article. Headtransplant (talk) 02:09, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: prosopagnosia, or face-blindness

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