Talk:Foreign relations of Montenegro

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of September 17, 2006, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: What is written is not particularly "compelling"--which the standards require.  However, that's not a big problem, since it uses correct grammar.
:2. Factually accurate?: The article is accurate, as best I can tell.  Everything is sourced.  Consider in-line citations.
:3. Broad in coverage?: The main problem is that there's too little text.  Two lists, although useful, do not make a Good Article.
:4. Neutral point of view?: It seems to be NPOV.
:5. Article stability? It isn't particularly stable.  I consider this a good thing since it needs a lot more content.
:6. Images?: Map is excellent, but no other images are present.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration.  Thanks for your work so far. 
The article seems to have a decent start.  The identification of foreign policy goals is good.  I might add information about current foreign policy leaders, and specific information about bilateral relations.  What's their relationship with the U.S. like?  How does it get on with Serbia?  Also, specific information about Montenegro's attempts to join the EU and NATO would be helpful.--Tjss(Talk) 16:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Myeah. When Montenegro's independence was dissolved, surely its foreign affairs were folded into those of the wider Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes? Wouldn't the reason Montenegro has not made a peace with Japan since 1918 be that it was already done by SHS/Yugoslavia on Montenegro's behalf? QuartierLatin1968 18:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  That is so much nonsense : the new Montenegro isn't the same entity as the old one.  The matter would have been anyway settled after the Second World War when Yugoslavia and Japan made peace, I expect.  Morwen - Talk 19:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: There's a Bulgarian Consulate General in Podgorica and the source that says the country is recognised also mentions "declaration... to establish diplomatic relations". It's from 12 June. Are there any specific requirements so that diplomatic relations could be considered established, or is it just omitted? Todor→Bozhinov 17:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply supply a new source. By the way, someone red shaded Bulgaria in the first section, but did not add it to the second chart where the diplomatic relations dates are provided. Was that you? --user:mnw2000 06:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diplomatic relations with Bulgaria 

message: Is every single country that establishes diplomatic relations with Montenegro obliged to open an embassy there, or may they just create smaller representations?
::In short, no. Countries are free to maintain diplomatic relations with one another. The establishment of diplomatic relations does not constitute reason for maintaining physical representation in that country.--Sir Tanx 11:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embassies and Mail 

message: In my most recent edit, I have removed the Vatican as the power that recognized Montenegro and replaced it with the Holy See. According to our article and the CIA Factbook, the Vatican does not exchange diplomats with the rest of the world. The CIA puts it this way:
The term "Holy See" refers to the authority, jurisdiction, and sovereignty vested in the Pope and his advisors to direct the worldwide Catholic Church. The Holy See has a legal personality that allows it to enter into treaties as the juridical equal of a state and to send and receive diplomatic representatives. Vatican City, created in 1929 to administer properties belonging to the Holy See in Rome, is recognized under international law as a sovereign state, but it does not send or receive diplomatic representatives.
The Holy See's list of nations that have relations with lists the FRY (the list was updated in Jan 03, a month before the State Union was final). Since the FRY became the State Union, and the State Union's diplomacy was inherited by Serbia, it's logical to conclude the Holy See recognized Montenegro and not the Vatican. - Thanks, Hoshie | 08:38, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy See, not Vatican 

message: Please, make sure to add a relevant source whenever new information is added. This goes for dipl. relations, recognition and opening of new embassies etc. - the opening of new Austrian and Hungarian embassies in Podgorica is currently not supported by any external source.--Sir Tanx 11:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Validate info with sources 

message: Could someone please provide a source that confirms that Montenegro has established diplomatic relations with Bulgaria?  It's shaded, but it's not listed in the second table on relations.  Canadian Bobby 17:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulgaria 

message: A couple points of order about the map:  Sweden and Bosnia have not established diplomatic relations with Montenegro, so it should not be darkened.  Malaysia has established diplomatic relations with Montenegro, so it should be darkened.
Thanks!  I like the map a lot. Canadian Bobby 23:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I multiple times changed the color before finishing, so these were obviously omitted; will change them soon. Alinor 10:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognition Map 

message: I see on the map and Article the ROC is empty. Does anyone know if the ROC and Montenegro have exchanged relations and recognition or is Montenegro bound by the one-china rule? - Thanks, Hoshie 09:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The People's Republic of China (PRC) has made it a requirement for releations that a country not recognize the Republic of China (Taiwan) as a soverign state. This includes the United Nations where the ROC was ejected in favor of the PRC back in 1972. user:mnw2000 15:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct.  Montenegro has established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China and it recognized its government as the sole legal government of China.  Montenegro adheres to Beijing's 'One China Policy,' and consequently does not recognize the Republic of China or have any form of relations with it. Canadian Bobby 03:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROC and Montenegro? 

message: I updated the list to show that Montenegro has diplomatic relations with Finland, but the article, sadly, didn't give a specific date, just "July."  So, we'll have to make do with that for the moment.  I've looked and looked and can't find a specific date.  Can anyone else find out?  
For others who do the updating, you know how fickle the MOFA is with updating, so for all I know they'll announce ties with Finland in December.  Bah. Canadian Bobby 23:01, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montenegro and Finland 

message: http://english.bna.bh/?ID=50763 states that they'll establish diplomatic ties, which implies recognition, but for neither action a date is given... —Nightstallion (?) 10:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone corrected this already. Alinor 12:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Egypt? 

message: Could somebody who can read Montenegrin please look at this  and see if it says that Montenegro established diplomatic relations with South Africa?  Thanks.  Canadian Bobby 21:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Africa 

message: A lot of the sources lead to 'page not found' or 'information not available'. Contralya 22:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I hardly believe that a fifth of the world doesn't recognize Montenegro. Could some update this article? --PaxEquilibrium 11:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognition 

message: A few things... according to the article only half of U.N. member states (96 of 192) recognize Montenegro, yet Montenegro has been a U.N member for almost two years. Has it stopped making the news when countries officially recognize Montenegro? Monaco and Senegal officially recognize Kosovo according to the Kosovo article, but these same two countries are not listed amongst countries that recognize Montenegro which is really bizarre. However, according to the Montenegrin government's website  their embassy in France is also accredited to the Prinicipality of Monaco, which would imply that there are diplomatic relations between Monaco and Montenegro. Also that same list says that their embassy to Italy is accredited to San Marino and Malta (San Marino is not listed amongst countries that reocgnize, while Malta is) and that their embassy to the US is accredited to Canada and Iceland. --Tocino 19:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs update 

message: Its a fairly long article, it half way down under the title "Zimbabwe: The only country where a civil war will be welcomed".
 Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Zimbabwe to recognise Kosovo and Montenegro, but not Somaliland and Western Sahara

message: Half of the recognition dates are dates when they established diplomatic relations not when they recognised. Poor article Ijanderson977 (talk) 19:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong dates

message: says that San Marino and Montenegro have established official diplomatic relations. So I think it should be added to the list. Van der Hoorn (talk) 15:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  San Marino 

message: Kyrgyzstan may have already or will soon establish diplomatic relations with Montenegro  Canadian Bobby (talk) 20:25, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kyrgyzstan

message: Greece is on the list twice. - Canadian Bobby (talk) 01:24, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistake

message: Shouldn't we change this article to ones like Croatia or Slovenia has, as the list of states that recognized Montenegro could maybe count when Montenegro renewed it independence in 2006, but now it isn't importing. Don't you think? Rave92(talk) 19:54, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: Serbia has annulled the recognition of Montenegro after Montenegro recognized Kosovo as an independent country.
News is confirmed by the Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic
Serbia has declared the ambassador of Montenegro in Belgrade as persona non grata and was expelled from Serbia.--Irvi Hyka 14:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No reflection on Google News anywhere. Link? Anyway, there is no such thing as "annulling the recognition" of a foreign sovereign country. Are they going to pretend the country no longer exists or what? The most extreme measure they could possibly do would be to discontinue diplomatic relations, but that's not the same thing as withdrawing recognition. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

text: And just to clarify, diplomatic relations were not discontinued either. Serbia expelled the Montenegrin ambassador, but the embassy itself remained open, with a chargé d'affaires in charge. There is a new ambassador now, of course. — Emil J. 12:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Serbia has annulled the recognition of Montenegro. Today Serbia withdraws ambassador from Montenegro, because Kosovo.
Head of the Serbian Diplomacy Vuk Jeremic has ordered the urgent withdrawal of Ambassador Zoaran Lutovac from Montenegro, for consultations in Belgrade, on the occasion of the decision by Montenegrin authorities to establish diplomatic relations with the interim self-government institutions in Pristina. The Serbian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has sent a demarche to the representative of the Montenegrin Government in Belgrade, communicated the Serbian ministry. It has been pointed that the establishing of diplomatic relations between Podgorica and Pristina is detrimental to the regional stability and makes harder the development of best possible relations among the neighbors, which is the priority of the Serbian Government. Namely, Montenegro and Kosmet have established diplomatic relations earlier today, by exchanging the letters from foreign ministers Milan Rocen and Skender Hysseni, it has been communicated from Podgorica.
Radio Serbia: http://glassrbije.org/E/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=9693&Itemid=26
Balkaninsight http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/25005/
Irvi Hyka (talk • contribs)  —Preceding undated comment added 16:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

text: So Serbia recalled their ambassador for consultations. No big deal, they had been doing this to everybody who recognized Kosovo until summer 2008 or so (most of the ambassadors are back by now). This is a fairly common diplomatic measure, and it is nowhere near annulling recognition (or diplomatic relations), as you keep claiming without any substance. — Emil J. 16:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbia has annulled the recognition of Montenegro 

message: The map needs some updates. Colombia has only recognized so they should be in yellow. Guinea-Bissau recognized and is not on the map. Seychelles has recognized and established diplomatic relations but is not on the map. Since I unable to edit, can some do it. Thank You. 69.203.217.91 (talk) 21:27, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map Needs Updating 

message: Kuwait & Montenegro have established diplomatic relations. Someone please update accordingly.  - 69.203.217.91 (talk) 03:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuwait 

message: The Montenegrin MFA has recently updated their website.  Montenegro established had relations with Azerbaijan, Cambodia, and Colombia (on their MFA request) some time ago apparently. I guess they didn't updated in awhile. The total states they are now recognized by is 125 and number with diplomatic relations is 116. I also saw with some countries, different dates of recognition and dates of establishment of dipolmatic relations then the ones we have on the page. Thought that may be corrected later on as it is a more lenghty edit (time wise). Can someone please update the page and the map accordingly? Thank you. - 69.203.217.91 (talk) 07:38, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Info on MFA Site 

message: According to the MFA website Montenegro either established/is to establish diplomatic ties with Senegal & DR Congo. Can someone please review and update accordingly? Thank you. http://www.mip.gov.me/en/index.php/Press-Releases/press-release-22-09-2010-6.html 69.203.217.91 (talk) 00:41, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Montenegrin version of the website has updated and it shows Recognition & Diplomatic relations with Senegal on 22nd Sept., diplomatic relations with DR Congo 22nd September and diplomatic relations with Afghanistan 21st September. Someone please update map and page. Thanks.69.203.217.91 (talk) 04:49, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've taken the liberty to update the page, however I am unable to update the map. --69.203.217.91 (talk) 15:34, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated.—Emil J. 11:41, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senegal/DR Congo 

message: Someone please update the map of recognition/diplomatic relations in regards to the addition of Bolivia, Jamaica, Saint Vincent & The Grenadines, and Zimbabwe. Thanks! 64.115.19.42 (talk) 17:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.—Emil J. 17:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Map 

message: Trying to sort by Recognition or Establishment of Diplomatic Relations is totally wrong and goes in the wrong order. Just try sorting by "#" - nothing is right about it. Is there any way this can be changed? I'm not very good at sortable list myself. Outback the koala (talk) 21:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sortable List is not functioning properly 

message: Guinea-Bissau and New Zealand has establishment diplomatic relations with Montenegro. Ahmetyal 13:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And Cape Verde. Ahmetyal 13:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.—Emil J. 13:51, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map needs to be updated 

message: Former Prime Minister, Milo Djukanovic blamed Serbia still not fully recognizes independence of Montenegro. He said that relations between the two countries are below the level needed and for this reason that the Serbian authorities maintain strong links with the ideological center, which do not support independence of Montenegro. http://www.rtklive.com/?cid=1&newsId=51342&mfw0Gx3i09f1xcmr#xN0K52!l$tK6r/mzew9EO18^w95q1DtxU3*&85Le7G#cpEQ7PFe757&&87@&01800x2!8Zg-fi^89ALA7fi@I
--Irvi Hyka 06:19, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Milo Djukanovic]]: SERBIA, Montenegro still does not recognize In general 

message: I suggest that we remove from this article the note about the number of recognitions that Kosovo has. We don't have such note for Palestine here. Or for Israel. Or for ... Why should we have such for Kosovo? Japinderum (talk) 09:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I think in this context all that really matters is bilateral recognition/relations.  I've removed the Kosovo note, as well as the more general "limited recognition" note.  TDL (talk) 05:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I partially reverted some of the tweaks - if we keep dashes in front of Palestine and Kosovo, then we need a note about that. The alternative is to number them, but I think many editors object that. Also, Vatican City is not with limited recognition and so I think it should remain numbered. Japinderum (talk) 11:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kosovo note about number of recognitions 

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