Talk:Muhammad

message: In this article there are some mistakes,
In this article it says that Muhammadﷺ. is the founder of Islam and that's not true . Islam existed from the time of Adam(AS) The first human being and the first prophet of Islam.
Islam,The religion of
The only true God ALLAH(SWT). MUHAMMADﷺ got revelation from God(ALLAH) and he was a Messanger and prophet of God(ALLAH) he Warned the Wrongdoing peopleto go to the right path. BrotherAnasibnmalik (talk) 17:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See Q6 in the FAQ at the top of this page. This is an encyclopedia, not a religious text. O3000, Ret. (talk) 17:37, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Bro it doesn't matter when you are talking about Islam take info from authentic sources of Islam Mahdi2812 (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bro we don't use primary sources to make statements in Wikipedia's narrative voice, per policy; see WP:PRIMARY. We use reliable scholarly sources instead. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistakes in the article in 

message: Il est écrit Mahomet alors que c’est mohammed et non Mahomet qui a été changé par l’occident cela est une insulte s’il vous plaît pouvez-vous remplacer je vous en prie. 2A01:E0A:BA7:C090:CDF0:8B54:567:CA80 (talk) 12:59, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Please use English in the English version of Wikipedia. "Mahomet" is only used in titles of other works, as it must be. O3000, Ret. (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Il y a une erreur sur le nom  

message: When yor are talking about Islam or prophet Muhammad (s.w.a). YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK BY YOUR SELF TALK ACCORDING TO INFORMATION GIVEN IN ISLAM.
NOW WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? 
PROBLEM IS THAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD IS NOT FOUNDER OR CREATER OF ISLAM AS YOU SAY, ACCORDING TO MUSLIM AND IT'S OUR BELIEF THAT ISLAM WAS THEIR BEFORE ANY OTHER RELIGION SO YOU CAN SAY THAT HE IS INTRODUCER OF ISLAM NOT CREATER OF FOUNDER Mahdi2812 (talk) 18:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: No. See the answer to question 6 in the FAQ at the top of this page. Also, please don't use caps. It certainly won't mean you are more likely to be listened to. DeCausa (talk) 18:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, even though I am the author of that FAQ answer, I have always advocated that this article says he "introduced" Islam (an objective fact that cannot be denied by anyone) rather than "founded" Islam. I composed the FAQ answer with that conflict of terms uppermost in my mind, even though I know that the community would never agree to replace "founded" with "introduced". ~Anachronist (talk) 06:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It depends what the objective is. If it's to find a compromise i.e. a form of expression that won't offend Muslim sensibilities but is broad enough to not be inconsistent with secular scholarship, then maybe "introduced" would work. But I don't think that can be the objective. Shouldn't the objective be to clearly represent scholarship per WP:DUE? I don't think that "introduced" is clear enough to do that. Everyone knows what "founded" means but "introduced" is ambiguous, which is why it might work as a compromise, but not the sort of compromise that WP should make. DeCausa (talk) 07:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my thinking too, which is why the FAQ answer is worded the way it is. My preference for "introduced" was grounded more in a desire to end the complaints we get about Muhammad being the founder. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that would work. If Adam, Moses and Jesus were Muslims, Muhammad can not have introduced it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Appeasing believers when trying to write from a secular perspective is just not going to be possible. Maybe something could be added to the "founder" footnote saying something like "Muslims believe that Islam existed prior to Muhammad/has always existed", though I don't have a good citation in mind. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:20, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The early lead-statement "...he was a prophet divinely inspired to preach and confirm the monotheistic teachings of Adam..." covers that reasonably IMO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I agree, seeing that the man is creator of the main religious text in Islam and the secondary religious texts are presented as his deeds and judgements. He is a founder and should be explained as such here. Ip says: Work Better yes. (talk) 13:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

text: "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK BY YOUR SELF TALK ACCORDING TO INFORMATION GIVEN IN ISLAM." Ummm.... no. Your insistence that we must follow your religion is grossly offensive. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information not correct  

message: Hi @BilledMammal. Thank you for taking part in the monitoring of this article. Regarding the text "who foretold his prophethood" that you deleted, this detail is the main point of the whole Bahira story, so I think its inclusion is quite essential. If it's a matter of wording, will you please suggest how you think it should be written? Just as a note, there's already "Islamic narratives say" in the earlier part of the sentence.  — Kaalakaa (talk) 17:12, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Foretold his prophethood" 

message: If the person sent by the Single God, was born in a place called "Mecca", and the Mecca we now call "Mecca" in what is now Saudi Arabia was founded during the first century of the Muhammadanism, does that mean all our early references to "Mecca" in this article  should be to "Mecca" of Petra, in Jordan? Mysha (talk) Mysha (talk) 13:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this related to "Recently, Petra has been put forward as the original direction of Muslim prayer, the Qibla, by some in the revisionist school of Islamic studies, namely that the earliest mosques faced Petra, not Jerusalem or Mecca. However, others have challenged the notion of comparing modern readings of Qiblah directions to early mosques’ Qiblahs as they claim early Muslims could not accurately calculate the direction of the Qiblah to Mecca and so the apparent pinpointing of Petra by some early mosques may well be coincidental." (from Petra) ? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. "Oh, yesterday we didn't know how to do that", is always the defense of those who have no better answer. But regardless, do we really have to claim Atlantis lay in the Atlantic Ocean, for no reason than to not have proof that it did lay somewhere else? Likewise, if there is discussion about the identification of Mecca, shouldn't our article reflect that? Mysha (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 09:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Petra does mention that. If it is WP:PROPORTIONate to include in this article is another question. You can make a suggestion on what text you want to add where with what refs here on the talkpage and see if people have opinions. Or you can wait until WP:30/500, be WP:BOLD and see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the Mecca of the Article 

message: Could you remove depictions of Prophet in the article.
There are billions of Muslims in the World. Do you think these are acceptable to Muslims? SaloxiddinTursunaliyev (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Muhammad#Frequently_asked_questions,_please_read_before_posting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

text: There are billions more non-Muslims in the world. Do you think your attempts to control them are acceptable?--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  And not even all those billions of Muslims agree about said depictions. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 19:50, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right.  The Persian Wikipedia article on Muhammad, presumably maintained by Muslims, seems to find the depictions acceptable. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

text: They have a mural of him in Tehran. - Sumanuil. (talk to me) 21:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depictions of Prophet 

message: I think that we should add this category because he committed Invasion of Banu Qurayza. Sharouser (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Well he is included on the category list. Ip says: Work Better yes. (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Removed that cat per WP:CATVER. Which WP:RS says this was a genocide, and what content do you suggest adding to the Muhammad article based on them? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm not saying it's an unreasonable notion, but taking "Consequently, 600–900 men of Banu Qurayza were executed. The women and children were distributed as slaves, with some being transported to Najd to be sold." from "war" to "genocide" needs decent sources doing the lifting. That's my view. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Well then we may have to add Moses and many others from ancient times. O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

text: There were three Jewish tribes that were in a treaty with the Muhammad, and these tribes all violated the treaty, with hostile attitude, communications with the enemy, and an intent and attempt to fight the Muslims and assassinate Muhammad. The two tribes Banu Qainuqa and Banu Nadir were merely exiled due to their insistance in hostility and danger to security, but one of them, Banu Qurayza, were a degree higher in treachery, and were incited by Quraysh to oppose the Muhammad and the Muslims, so there was no choice but to fight against it from a security standpoint. Now, in terms of the number that is spread of how many were killed, this is debated, by analysing whether such a number was possible and what the origin of the claimed number is, as well as asking: "who was killed?"; because killing civilians is prohibited in Islam, so this would indicate whatever number was killed were combatants, but we cannot even accurately confirm how many were killed in the first place. Academically, you cannot just mention one thing and conveniently not mention the reason for it, and none can rely on a historian's estimation when he did not witness it as a reliable number of the death toll. In any case, what is expected it a treaty is broken in such a way? Your edit suggestion to me seems ingenuine and has sprouted as a result of modern day events. MahmoudBinOmar (talk) 07:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

text: It might not be a bad idea to mention it somewhere in the article, but I'm not sure I'd use genocide unless this was actually the entirety of their population DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 13:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? The term genocide does not refer to the entirety of a population: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"Dimadick (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure. I guess if there's a evidence they specifically went after only that ethnic group that's different but if they just did that to anyone in the city that's not the same thing. DuneEnjoyer333 (talk) 15:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  genocide perpetrator 

message: Extend the info box patronymic to include what is verified up to Muhammad's forefather Adnan
Ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim ibn ʿAbd Manāf ibn Quṣayy ibn Kilāb ibn Murrah ibn Ka'b ibn Lu'ayy ibn Ghālib ibn Fihr ibn Mālik ibn An-Nadr ibn Kinānah ibn Khuzaymah ibn Mudrika ibn Ilyās ibn Mudar ibn Nizār ibn Ma'add ibn 'Adnān
ٱبْن عَبْد ٱللَّٰه بْن عَبْد ٱلْمُطَّلِب بْن هَاشِم بْن عَبْد مَنَاف بْن قُصَيّ بْن كِلَاب بْن مُرّة بْن كَعْب بْن لُؤَيّ بْن غَالِب بْن فِهْر بْن مَالَك بْن النَّضْر بْن كِنَانَة بْن خُزَيْمَة بْن مُدْرِكَة بْن إِلْيَاس بْن مُضَر بْن نِزَار بْن مَعَدّ بْن عَدْنَان MahmoudBinOmar (talk) 07:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Source? Preferably a modern-day historian, in English if possible, but other languages are fine, as long as the source is WP:RS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 19:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patronymic name extension on 15 May 2024