Talk:Nicholas John Baker

message: First of all, I just want to say I have no connection to anything here, and have just been following along the conversation just out of an interest in how Wikipedia works -- and I still have little interest in editing this article -- I am not even sure why this is seen as notable, to be honest.  But, I did live in Japan for some time, and remember reading the article about Nick Baker in Metropolis.
That being said, why are fairtrails.org, www.sarahludford.org.uk, or theforeigner-japan.com allowed to be used as sources?
In spite of any COI problems, Metropolis is a major source of information for English speaking residents of Tokyo -- which currently boasts writers such as Oscar Johnson and Fred Varcose who have written for the Asahi Shimbun's English language edition and the Japan Times respectively.  Can anyone find any source for this in the Japanese language press?  If not, then why are the views of Mark Devlin, as publisher of a magazine that is well known in the foreign community in Japan, not notable but a MEP who is not notable enough to have her own article in Wikipedia is -- plus whose website is being used as a primary source in this article.
I don't know whose story to believe, but Nick Baker was convicted by a court of law in Japan, but the article seems to go out of its way to discredit the Japanese justice system.  In its present state, it seems to have POV problems of its own.  No matter what comes of the issue with user:sparkzilla, that will still need to be addressed. XinJeisan 11:34, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: That seems to me that Prunier is claiming to have received death threats from people who think he set up Nick Baker. If you have another interpretation, I am happy to hear it. However, I didn't say nor do I have any problem with how you stated the information in your writeup. XinJeisan 03:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that the death threats were related to the Baker case, but they may have also come from those upset about the Belgian case. There's no mention either wayStatisticalregression 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From my reading of the article, from the news broke means since people have learned about Nick Baker, imho. XinJeisan 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: is there a link to the article where Prunier makes the "since the news broke" comment? Statisticalregression 04:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes here. My interpretation of it is that since Nick's story broke, possibly the Belgian arrest, that local person or persons unknown (whether involved with Prunier "activities" or not is unclear) made the threats. David Lyons 04:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It does read like since the Baker story broke, but there is no reference to Bakers support group anywhere in the article, and the person/persons unknown could be anyone...we should definitely steer clear of making any speculation who made the threats. Statisticalregression 05:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree that the Prunier tale should be woven into the whole and not be a section on its own.  I also feel uncomfortable with the drug, alcoholic thing.--Slp1 23:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yup, he did Slp1 00:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In that case, we could put a blurb like "...an allegation that Prunier denied" or probably more accurately "....which Prunier's version contradicts" right?Statisticalregression 00:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Death threats recieved by Prunier

message: Following the apparent consensus in "Partisan Sources, Neutral Sources, Reliable Sources, and Fairness" section above, I have given myself 90 minutes to begin the pruning.  As a start, I will be removing any "facts" not supported by at least one independent source, as well as information followed by a 'fact' tag.  I will be placing the deleted sentences here. Slp1 13:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks quite suitable to me, (though it is an opinion column) but personally I am not sure that the comment really adds that much, especially in its current rather odd form. But maybe something similarly explanatory can be woven in at some point. I would prefer something that doesn't seem to imply that it is better to have juries, which would be a matter of opinion, I guess.--Slp1 14:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps you are right and this belongs in a different article.David Lyons 23:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beginning the pruning 

message: Could someone please explain a small technical issue to me/us? How does this double footnote column work now that it's been added to the Nick Baker article here? Does it literally create two columns? If so, at what number of footnotes does that function usually kick in? Does it only work on certain internet browsers (I use MS IE)because I don't see any difference yet? What am I missing here? FYI, I'm thinking about adding it to the articles that I edit. Thanks in advance. J Readings 23:32, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange.  There are two columns on my screen, but I use Firefox, so maybe that's it?? --Slp1 01:57, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strange, indeed. I also tried viewing the page using the opera browser and there was only a single column. Last time I checked, 70%+ of all internet users surf with either MS IE or Opera, and yet here we are putting codes in that will only work for a small minority of internet surfers (I'm seen the code on many other pages). I wonder if there's someone we can contact in the higher ups of Wikipedia to help correct this coding problem. Any ideas? J Readings 02:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: JR. That code should just automatically resize and split the refs into two neat columns. If you're on a Mac, I suspect you are using Safari. In that case, it doesn't show up as two columns. I use Firefox like Slp1 and it formats correctly. It is not only browser, but also platform dependent, it seems. This is an ongoing problem for any web-site designer as the various browsers out there interpret the html "standards" differently. It's really a case of "We like standards, we've got lots of them" David Lyons 02:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put the code in there, works fine for me on firefox. strange how it doesn't work on I.E. Statisticalregression 03:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnote design

message: As you will see, I have spent way too long today on a reorganization and continued with sourcing, etc, though there remains stuff to be done.  I have deleted a few bits of sourced material that I either  did not feel added much  to the story or was repetitious. I have also added information about Prunier etc, as well as other aspects of the story that I noted in my research. I would be glad for comments and improvements as required! --Slp1 20:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recents edits 

message: Please add inline citations to the lead as per WP:LEAD. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 13:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: User:Statisticalregression made this edit today. I think we really need to change it back. If you take a look at the page now using a MS IE Browser, you'll automatically know what I'm talking about. The Nick Baker image is now floating way above the rest of the body text. Sorry, J Readings 11:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sorry about that, I'll take out the justifications if I cant' figure out a way to fix that, & will check those types of changes in the future with more than one browserStatisticalregression 13:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Justification of Paragraphs

message: I truely think for the sake of balancing thing out that there should be a controversy section that points out the loopholes in Nick Baker's story the Mark Devlin mentioned.  There's been alot of shock focus that the media puts out in an unbalanced manner just to get people emotionally invested.  Granted Japanese prisons are indeed strict, but nowhere never as much as activists make them out to be seeing how their tactics are more about catching attention than anything:  
http://www.markdevlin.com/NickBaker/thenickbakerdeception.htm  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Graylandertagger (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy section should be added

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message: "Nick has been released now for several years." This was preceding the lead section. Schwede66 17:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
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