Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/List of literary works with eponymous heroes

message: ==Ender's Game removed==
Removed Ender's Game - "'s Game" is not part of the character's name.  Applejuicefool 20:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well spotted :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Question, though.  This is part of WikiProject Novels - should I take the plays off? I included them because the intro said "literary works." Applejuicefool 21:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd leave them on for the moment - this is partly a page rescue action so although part of the project might have a wide usage! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Goo inclusion, nothing here says the hero needs to be "human" just heroic :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Found Drac on the list again, and removed it again. Dracula is still not the protagonist of this novel. Applejuicefool 19:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I see no value in the merge. Hero is the masculine form of the term, Heroine is the feminine. Those that the use the term "Hero" for women are predominately of recent late twentieth century education who seem unaware of gender based terminology. The level of "heroicism" necessary to be considered the "hero/heroine" is another issue, here it appears to be inclusive in nature. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See further discussion on :Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/List of literary works with eponymous heroines. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Removed Ender's Game - "'s Game" is not part of the character's name.  Applejuicefool 20:15, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well spotted :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ender's Game removed

message: Added some new criteria for information allowable in eponymous titles, along with all of Shakespeare's plays with eponymous titles.  Applejuicefool 20:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Question, though.  This is part of WikiProject Novels - should I take the plays off? I included them because the intro said "literary works." Applejuicefool 21:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd leave them on for the moment - this is partly a page rescue action so although part of the project might have a wide usage! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plays

message: I have added some more titles - one is questionable - Jack London's White Fang.  I've never read White Fang, but from what I read on the book's article, White Fang is a male (wolf/dog) and a good portion of the book is told from his perspective. Comments? Applejuicefool 21:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Goo inclusion, nothing here says the hero needs to be "human" just heroic :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: White Fang added

message: I would say subtitles of a work don't matter for these purposes, right? For instance, Shelley's "Frankenstein; or, the Modern Prometheus". The "or, the Modern Prometheus" wouldn't disqualify it, because it's not part of the "main" title. Applejuicefool 14:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subtitle? 

message: I see someone has added Fielding's Tom Jones, which is actually, "The History of Tom Jones, A Foundling."  I had considered adding that, but refrained because of the additional content in the title.  Other similar novels include The Adventures of Tom Sawyer, Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.  We need to decide - are we going to allow this type of info for this list ("The Adventures of..." "The Story of..." "The Case of..." etc.). Applejuicefool 21:23, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Jones? 

message: Removed Bram Stoker's Dracula; Dracula is not the protagonist. Applejuicefool 18:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found Drac on the list again, and removed it again. Dracula is still not the protagonist of this novel. Applejuicefool 19:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dracula 

message: I removed Solomon Kane because Robert E. Howard never wrote a work called "Solomon Kane".  He wrote short stories, poems, and fragments all with other titles.  The closest is a poem entitled "Solomon Kane's Homecoming" - which skirts the edge of eponymosity, but it's a short (44 lines) poem, not a longer work on the scale of a novel.  There are some books with the title Solomon Kane, but these are collections of Howard's works, not original standalone works. Applejuicefool 14:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solomon Kane 

message: Ok, I haven't read this novel by Ramsey Campbell, but internet research doesn't reveal anywhere that I can find the fact that the protagonist is named (or even titled) "The Count of Eleven." He may be, I don't know.  If so, let me know and put it back. Applejuicefool 19:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Count of Eleven 

message: "Speaker for the Dead" is the pen name of the male protagonist of the novel Speaker for the Dead(Andrew Wiggin), under which that character has published two works, and under which he writes a third at the end of the novel.  Applejuicefool, do you disagree that Andrew Wiggin is the protagonist of the novel or do you disagree that "Speaker of the Dead" is an alias for that character? --Noren 08:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaker for the Dead 

message: I was looking over the list here, and I thought of some possible additions.  I'm not adding them myself, since I'm not entirely certain that all of them belong, but here are the ones I thought of:
L. Frank Baum: The Scarecrow of Oz, The Tin Woodman of Oz, and Tik-Tok of Oz
Dean Koontz: Odd Thomas and possibly Brother Odd
Brian Lumley: Necroscope
P. G. Wodehouse: Ukridge (a short story collection about Ukridge, also published as He Rather Enjoyed It)
Yoyogod 20:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  possible additions 

message: I'm not convinced it's such a good idea to have separate "male" and "female" versions of this list (and we'll set aside the fact that a "hero" can be male or female, and that not that many protagonists listed here are actually heroic). I think they should be merged into something slightly more cogent such as List of literary works named for their protagonist. Before I do anything about this, what do others think? ProhibitOnions (T) 23:42, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no value in the merge. Hero is the masculine form of the term, Heroine is the feminine. Those that the use the term "Hero" for women are predominately of recent late twentieth century education who seem unaware of gender based terminology. The level of "heroicism" necessary to be considered the "hero/heroine" is another issue, here it appears to be inclusive in nature. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:04, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See further discussion on :Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/List of literary works with eponymous heroines. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:23, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Title, merge

message: I'm wondering if & when the makers of this page intend to promote it to an article? The pages are already linked from eponym#Lists of eponyms, the subject matter seems as good as any of the other List of eponymous... articles. I'm sure you've thought this through, just curious as to what those thoughts are. (btw, having stumbled across Eponymous author, I wondered if a List of eponymous authors would fly. --Tagishsimon (talk) 22:48, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This list into article space?