Talk:Esther Delisle

message: I've tried to remove some of the POV from this article, which is highly one-sided. Serious criticisms were made of Delisle's work. Interestingly, I've never been able to find any evidence that anyone followed them up. I'm not disagreeing with the contention that some people reacted hysterically to Delisle's work (What? Canada was antisemitic in the 30s? What a shock!), or that they reacted in racist ways. I'm just trying to make the article a little less one-sided (removing descriptions of her work as impeccable, which she disagrees with in the last few paragraphs of The Traitor and the Jew, or the mention of Claude Charron's irrelevant conviction for theft). From Dr. Delisle's interview in the documentary I'd say she'd be the last person to endorse this depiction of the controversy. I have been known to be wrong, though. John FitzGerald 19:51, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I finally found an online copy of the article from l'Actualité . I don't see any attack on Delisle, or any acknowledgment that Groulx was any more of a fascist sympathizer than any other Catholic official or than most prominent Canadians at the time, so I modified the article to remove these assertions about the article. If I've missed something in the article let me know. I will be checking a hard copy of the article the next time I'm near the TO reference library.
I also modified "decades long denial" by "supposed." I'm not sure what denial was meant, but if it's that Groulx was antisemitic that hasn't been denied, and if it was that Groulx was an active member of a group of fascist subversives, that possibility wasn't raised before Dr. Delisle raised it. John FitzGerald 00:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  L'Actualité 

message: I got my hands on a copy of The Traitor and the Jew again, and as I recalled there was nothing in it about contemporary Quebec nationalism being xenophobic or racist, so I took that assertion out. The book also relies heavily on the identification of Groulx with Lambert Closse, an identification which seems highly questionable (she says herself she has no evidence for it, and other evidence suggests he was not Closse), so I noted that in the article, too.
What interests me now is how her critics weren't content just to point out the obvious scholarly problems with her work but had to import paranoid ideas about her antinationalist motivations into the dispute. Even Gary Caldwell, who seems to have done the best job of critiquing her work, had to throw in a few ideas like that. John FitzGerald 14:04, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary nationalism 

message: I wish to point out that the link for the name of the film-maker, Eric Scott (Je me souviens) leads to a discussion of someone who has nothing to do with this film. 
The Eric Scott who made this film (and many others) is a Montrealer, not an American actor who starred in the Waltons.
24.202.237.214 17:32, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out. You could search for the appropriate Eric Scott in other articles to see if there's another article about him. If there isn't you could create one (with a title like "Eric Scott (film-maker)") or change the link to an article with this title. I'll check this out now, though. John FitzGerald 12:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: The Criticism section was removed by JMartin81 as unsourced. However, the letter was clearly sourced, and sources no doubt can be found for the unsourced assertions, so I added some fact tags, changed some words so the implication is not left that Bouchard's claims have been confirmed, and restored the bit about Bouchard.
I left out the bit about Delisle not having found a university job in Quebec. Unless someone is prepared to show that her failure to find a job is the result of her having criticized Groulx I don't see the point (evidence could include such things as unreasonable rejetion of job applications etc.). Her work is academically questionable, although there are people with tenure who've done worse, repeatedly. John FitzGerald 15:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reinserted the material unilaterally removed by JMartin81 in the The Traitor and the Jew as well. I have also expanded on the subject and provided solid references. -- Mathieugp 19:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section