Talk:Will.i.am

message: you appear to be edit warring over this issue in this article, so please stop reverting each other and discuss the matter here. For what it's worth, I think Randy's got it right on this occasion - as long as the article is titled will.i.am (as it does and will unless the move request above goes ahead), we should style it thus in the text too. But either way that's not an excuse to edit war. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 20:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thanks for the eye out for vandals, I'll take the next watch. As for this discussion, even though recasting the sentences isn't hard, taking MOS:LCITEMS into consideration we find that "Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower-case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang)", even though will.i.am is not really a personal name as much as a stage name, his trademark (k.d. lang is a personal name lower-cased), then we swing up one section to MOS:LISTCAPS where we find "The initial letter in a sentence is capitalized. This does not apply if it begins with a letter which is always left uncapitalized (as in "eBay"; ), although it is usually preferable to recast the sentence." So, since will.i.am is always lower-cased on Wikipeda since it has "regular and established use in reliable third-party sources", if is up to editors who object or have the immediate interest to "recast the sentence". I've done some recasting and an italics run, and will come back to do more later if someone doesn't get to it before me. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:35, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

text: **Here's what MOS:LCITEMS actually says in full: "Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Wikipedia articles may use lower-case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang). When such a name is the first word in a sentence, the rule for initial letters in sentences and list items should take precedence, and the first letter of the personal name should be capitalized regardless of personal preference." Now, you explain to me what that section in bold means. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

text: * clearly you and Randy disagree on how to interpret the MOS in this area, making this a content dispute, not vandalism. So yes, it is edit warring. If you continue to make bad-faith accusations of that nature, or continue edit warring, you may find yourself blocked. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 23:02, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: *You tell me what the bolded section above means while you're at it. There is no way to interpret that section other than to mean the first letter of a person's name is always capitalized when it starts a sentence even if they prefer it not to be. Rreagan007 (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: * The MOS is just guidance. It is not a defence for crossing policy.  —SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

text: *, since this section is here I want to explain further. I think of the name will.i.am not as the subject's name but as his trademark/stagename, so more like iTunes and eBay than k.d. lang (which is her full name with her preferred lower-casing). So you and I were simply thinking of two different forms of the same combination of letter and periods and their attendant guideline language and how it effects their presentation. I can see your point, and, as always, appreciate your comments and commitment. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

text: *Hello , and I agree that at the start of a sentence the uppercase "W" would be proper (Wikipedians tend to learn a thing or few in five years). What about captions? I like the look of the captions on this page, with the proper lowercase name leading them off, but do you think they should be reworded to reflect sentence case (although most captions tend not to be sentences). Randy Kryn (talk) 23:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you for your quick and gracious reply. I just edited the article. I found that a few places already had a capital letter at the beginning of sentences, and one place had a capital letter in the middle of a sentence (which I changed to improve consistency). Three places had lowercase at the beginning of sentences. I uppercased two of those and rephrased the third one to move the name to later in the sentence. I left the captions alone. Personally, I would probably uppercase those (e.g. since we capitalize list items as well as sentences, as noted at MOS:LCITEMS), but I haven't given it a lot of thought. Just as an observation, I notice that there is a lot of variation in the capitalization in the titles of cited sources. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 00:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *You've welcome. Nice work on finding the styling edits. Yes, the caption casing is an interesting question, although the present casing here seems to fit the flow of the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  will.i.am at start of sentences 

message: This page should not be speedily deleted because... will.i.am is the long standing title, it is the most concise and it is the common name. --Alanscottwalker (talk) 22:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the page is certainly NOT going to be deleted! And thank god for that. Might I suggest indefinite move protection? MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and just so months or years from now this does not perhaps look so odd without checking the history, today there was a series of confusing or disruptive moves et. al. -  one was a speedy deletion tag, and the system auto-plopped this contested message here. Alanscottwalker (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:COMMONNAME clearly applies here. "We must have the legal name" is a flawed argument if a person is commonly known by a stage name such as Bono.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 05:39, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contested deletion of will.i.am