Talk:Umberto II of Italy

message: Okay, I've moved the page here.  While both names are sometimes used, I've seen Umberto II considerably more frequently than "Humbert II".  Argue if you will. john k 22:27, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yes I will. Testing Google, it's clear that "Humbert II of Italy" is more common than "Umberto II of Italy",  with 1500 against 904, or almost double. I suggest moving back to Humbert II. --Orzetto 06:57, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

text: You post no source. Your argumentation is void, at best it classifies original research. Since Victor Emmanuel's are translated, consistency in style is a better option. Google searches are an acceptable measure when the gap is wider than a few percents. --Orzetto 23:16, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Most Commonly used name in English" is ''not'' the same thing as "anglicization"

message: I seem to remember a reference to Umberto creating a number of peerages improperly 'on the way to the airport' after the results of the referendum had come in but while he was still king. I cannot source it though, except that it was in the memoirs of a journalist/parliamentarian. m.e. 09:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airport peerages 

message: Only in one case, while he was in Germany for a royal wedding, did [Umberto] make an exception, Hitler asked for a meeting.
:Besides this being a run-on sentence, couldn't we give actual details here?  Whose royal wedding, and, more importantly, when was this?  john k 13:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler, royal wedding 

message: "Umberto and Maria José separated in exile; it was indeed an arranged marriage, following a long tradition of royal families, even if some observers alleged that she was really fascinated by her husband, an elegant tombeur de femmes. However, Umberto's sexual interests lay elsewhere, he was a playboy of 'peculiar tastes' (in the words of one royal website) or had an 'inability to distinguish between the sexes' (as another royal biographer put it - a reference to the former king's rumored bisexuality). This knowledge was used by foreign governments hostile to the Savoyard monarchy's survival to ensure the Vatican's opposition to the monarchical cause in the 1946 referendum. Pope Pius XII atoned for this 'failure' by refusing to meet the elected presidents of Italy during his lifetime. Pope John XXIII reversed this policy on his election."
All this is very vulgar; but this is only an example, I'm afraid.
And there are also many ridiculous falsities: for instance, Pius XII did receive the Italian presidents (a photograph of president Gronchi kneeling to receive his blessing was much discussed in the fifties).
Not serious!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.2.155.156 (talk) 01:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rubbish Homophoby! 

message: The inconsistencies of how English uses foreign language names, is a wonderment. We use the English Victor Emmanuel, yet the Italian Umberto. Similiar cases - Baudouin of Belgium (instead of Baldwin) and Juan Carlos I of Spain (instead of John Charles I). -- GoodDay (talk) 20:21, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, this comment about four years old, but ... I think the reason for all of this is that Victor Emmanuel was a figure widely mentioned in the English language (and, particularly, in the press) during his lifetime.  At that time, it would certainly have been more common to cite someone by his English name than his Italian one.  Juan Carlos is known as Juan Carlos because that is the way he is commonly styled in English.  However, pre-modern Spanish rulers (Habsburgs, for example) tend to be known by Anglophones by English names rather than Spanish ones (Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor or Charles I of Spain, not Karl V nor Carlos I). StevenJ81 (talk) 20:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Commenting on English language usage

message: As I understand it, we have a) Aldrich and Wotherspoon "suggesting" Umberto was gay, b) a smear campaign in the popular press at the time, and c) his enemy collecting information to use for blackmail.  None of those qualify as reliable sources, IMO, but are simply rumors.  I'm open to hearing otherwise, though. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 16:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT? 

message: I know lots of countries create a "history" of thier king to make them connected with great people in the past even when this isn't true. Did that happen for Umberto II? It says in the article he's connected all the way to the Romans! Even if its true how could they have records for so far back? I don't think its true but I don't want to take it out unless positive.Bolinda (talk) 05:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Question 

message: I fixed up the English on this section and reorganized the article to put this in its proper chronological place.  However, I wonder if anyone sees this section as being material in Umberto's life.  If this incident is worthy of retention, I suspect more likely in the article on the Tenente revolts or in the article on Bahia, not here.  Any thoughts? StevenJ81 (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  State visit to South America 

message: Unless you can provide documented NUMBERS, please remove the propagandistic statement that the republic won the 1946 referendum by a "decisive majority". That is only an opinion.  My recollection is that it was just a majority, and not very large.  The monarchy certainly won more votes than any individual party ever has in any election since 1946.
208.87.248.162 (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Decisive majority????

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I’ve just read this page for the first and, hopefully, last time. It’s lack of neutrality and spreading of unproved rumour is a disgrace to Wikipedia. It’s a mix of bare fact, a little truth and a whole huge helping of Fascist propaganda which most intelligent people discounted years ago. Giano   (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, Giano, your are a bit vague here about what you mean by "Fascist propaganda" and "unproved rumor", but I believe that you are referring to Umberto's homosexuality, which is a matter that this talk page is unfortunately disproportionately devoted to. If I am mistaken, please accept my apologies. Giovanni Dall'Oroto is quite reputable Italian historian and he is not a Fascist, so I cannot share your assumption that he is spreading "Fascist propaganda". It is a matter of fact that for a period in the 1920s that Umbeto spent of his time with the film director Luchino Visconti who was about openly gay as it was possible to be in Italy in those days. Visconti, despite being an aristocrat, was a member of the Italian Communist Party after the war and in his autobiography published shortly before his death in 1976 claims to have a relationship with Umberto. So that mean this article is promoting "Communist propaganda"? Anyhow, you just given your opinion here without presenting facts to support them. --A.S. Brown (talk) 20:06, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Fiction, fact and Fascist propaganda

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