Talk:Eleanor Rigby

message: I think there needs to be some serious revision, because this article claims everyone added something and it is a complete McCartney song.
:Hardly likely. The most striking thing about it is that chamber strings are the only instruments, and that certainly wasn't McCartney's doing. TheScotch 08:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What? For his compositions, McCartney typically sang or played the orchestral parts and George Martin wrote the arrangements. Yes, Martin made significant contributions, but don't confuse arranger and composer. John Cardinal 14:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the industry felt it was composition or "songwriting", multiple Lennon/McCartney songs would be officially credited to Lennon/McCartney/Martin. Furthermore, both McCartney and Martin have described instances where McCartney communicated what he wanted in some detail, usually by singing or playing parts on piano or guitar. There's no evidence to support that Martin was a co-composer on this song or any other L/M songs. His own books specifically state otherwise and use verbs like "arranged" or "scored". John Cardinal 13:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McCartney

message: this song is covered in the Justin Long movie "Accepted". Does anyone know who covered it?
Anyone cared to explain the famous line "wearing a face that she keeps in a jar by the door"? -- Toytoy 16:00, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what it's worth, but a friend of mine said that it means she's sad and depressed when there's no one around, but when others are there, she wears a false aura of happiness. Or something like that.
:Someone told me that that meant a jar of makeup...  ✏ OvenFresh² 23:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: Eleanor Rigby is just a redirect to Eleanor Rigby (song).
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:*Support - the only other Eleanor Rigby article is Eleanor Rigby (novel), and the song should get primary topic disambiguation. Rd232 10:49, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *Support -Ethan0 16:54, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: *Support ---The PNM 19:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments
Eleanor Rigby was also covered by the Swedish band "Pain". It was on their album "Nothing Remains the Same"
The song was inspiration for the America Song "The Lonely People"
The Beatles may not have performed Eleanor Rigby live but Paul did on one of his tours.  I think it was "Friends of the Earth' back in in 1990.
He did it on the Back in the US tour in the early 2000s, too. It's listed as track 1, disc 2 of his live album of the same title. ElioDelRIo (talk) 19:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add any additional comments
Eleanor Rigby was also covered by the Swedish band "Pain". It was on their album "Nothing Remains the Same"
The song was inspiration for the America Song "The Lonely People"
The Beatles may not have performed Eleanor Rigby live but Paul did on one of his tours.  I think it was "Friends of the Earth' back in in 1990.
He did it on the Back in the US tour in the early 2000s, too. It's listed as track 1, disc 2 of his live album of the same title. ElioDelRIo (talk) 19:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: The article states that a document scheduled to be auctioned this month may offer some insight as to the true identification of Eleanor Rigby. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27664587/  --Wiseguy007 (JAW) 08:32, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article From Reuters Offer New Clues to the Mystery of Eleanor Rigby 

message: Every CD or record I've heard with the stereo version of the song has the very first syllable of the first verse ("Elea-") on both channels, before the vocal switches to the left channel only. Does anyone know if this was intentional? If not, does anyone know why it hasn't been fixed in all these years? quadratic 22:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Three and a half years later, the mystery hasn't exactly been cleared up, but The Beatles in Mono box set's booklet does refer to it as an error which only occurs on the stereo version. Lee M (talk) 03:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  stereo recording oddity 

message: The "Significance" section is POVish and unreferenced for the most part.  Neutralize that and get back with me.--Esprit15d 18:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It's a very nice article apart from that and I was considering passing it. I think the article needs that section, so it will have to be rewritten and referenced rather than removed. (If the article gets GA please change the class parameter from B to GA in the WikiProject The Beatles template above). --kingboyk 11:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination

message: What is with the references in this article?  Should they be updated to the current system (i.e. )?  – Heaven's Wrath   Talk  00:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at .  That template does not seem to work in Firefox, but does work in Internet Explorer.  – Heaven's Wrath   Talk  00:08, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You need more in-line citations (this is the new standard) and it could easily be a GA. --andreasegde 18:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The image labelled "A promotional poster for the single from the UK" actually has an Australian address on it (for Music Sales Australia Pty Limited, I think - it's difficult to make out), so I doubt it originates from the UK.
It doesn't look much like a promotional poster for the single, either. It doesn't say Parlophone anywhere on it, and "Yellow Submarine" isn't mentioned (remember, this was supposed to be a double A-side single). I don't know what it's actually a picture of, but I would hazard a guess that it's the front cover of some "Eleanor Rigby" sheet music. 217.155.20.163 16:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong image caption? 

message: Here is a link to a photo of the Liverpool  tombstone, which includes these words:
Also ELEANOR RIGBYThe Beloved Wife of THOMAS WOODAnd Granddaughter of the AboveDied 10th October 1939 Aged 44 YearsAsleep 
Is this the source of the statement that she died in her sleep? The word "asleep" should not be assumed, however, to refer to the manner of her death.  It's a word that can be seen fairly often on old tombstones and  means "Asleep in God" or "Asleep in Jesus," i.e, awaiting the Resurrection. - InvisibleSun 08:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eleanor Rigby: Died in Her Sleep?

message: I have just added another external link with a different, and I think better, photo of the tombstone plus information about the site.  The photo is also bigger – notice that you can click on it to enlarge the image.  I personally think this should replace the external link to the photo from Flickr.com, but I will leave it up to you guys. - Krickfan 14:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second tombstone photo link  

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replies: text: Added fair use rationale. John Cardinal 20:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:EleanorRigby-singlecover.jpg

message: George Martin claims only that he arranged "Eleanor Rigby" and the article should not claim he composed anything without specific citations to support the claim. I don't think any such evidence exists, but even if verifiable evidence can be found for such claims, it should be noted that it is unofficial/uncredited. Overall, the article should not overly stress his participation other than as producer and arranger.
Long standing music industry practice is clear in this matter. Lead guitarist players do not get composition credits because they determined the notes in a solo. Drummers do not get composition credit because they devise the drum part. Arrangers do not get composition credit because they write scores. Those acts--while creative--are derivative. John Cardinal 13:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composed by George Martin? 

message: Actually i really like it. How is it done?.. It scrolls with the page on the side. and the music comes from the last external link #  Cover version w/Mandolins & Strings.... it loads quickly and contributes to the page, showing the orchestral part of it. This should be tried on other pages with such orchestral parts --Greenwald3132 (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  the yahoo music thing on the side  

message: Can we please describe what the song means? I came here to find that out and...well...--Editor510 drop us a line, mate 20:03, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's about people who are lonely- for instance if you have no partner, friend etc why would it matter whether a lady puts make-up on, or a man darns his socks?  She died and no-one cared:(  Of course if we wanted to say this, we'd have to find it in WP:RS- which we probably could.:) Here you go- It has been described as a lament for lonely people , about people who do not find love.   (Remember that the Beatles were born around the time of the second world war, and a lot of women were left unmarried.) "In keeping with the fact that all four Beatles were war babies, it perfectly evokes an England of bomb sites and spinsters".  If you want an explanation of any lines of the song- email me.:)  Now, here is your second mission- should you choose to accept it:- add these 3 references and bit to the article, formatting the references in the proper wiki fashion.:) Sticky Parkin 19:47, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning 

message: I'm absolutely sure we are not allowed to include the song's lyrics (at least the whole text) in an article so I'll immediately remove them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fethry (talk • contribs) 11:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: Is it just me, or does the Live performances section seem out of place? Like, no references. No direct bearing on the song itself. Not encyclopaedic. Feedback, anyone?--Technopat (talk) 18:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live performances 

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Seems like one person's word, without confirmation from McCartney. / edg ☺ ☭ 05:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another purported source for the name Eleanor Rigby 

message: from a mainly pop-oriented act to a more serious and experimental studio band.
this should be changed to rock oriented, or at least pop AND rock oriented.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.44.230.184 (talk) 20:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  line in the intro 

message: There should probably be a reference to the song's use in the film Yellow Submarine and the style of animation accompanying the song. Lee M (talk) 03:42, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yellow Submarine movie 

message: I seem to have found the 45" cover. There's another cover w/the Yellow Submarine cover, but I thought that's the one where this song was the b-side. Then there's a DIFFERENT cover (I think) that is depicted here as a just a record, but the poster here is ALSO listed as the cover. Does anybody know which cover was used for which version - the US version (Capitol), the UK version (Parlaphone) and the 45" single if mine isn't the right one? Since I'm trying to keep the covers myself for my iPod and I made this mistake before w/Here, There & Everywhere, I'd like to know which one is which. 
Also, in cases like this one, I'd also like to know if it matters which version is at the top of the userbox - the UK version or the US version, if applicable? LoomisSimmons (talk) 09:42, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Which cover?

message: I've just made it worse by adding yet another one, but the list of cover versions is sprawling. Many of the more recent cover versions are by acts whose notability is dubious - either without a Wikipedia page of their own, or with a page that is borderline self-promotional. Perhaps this can be tidied up? I'm new to editing so don't want to mess it up, otherwise I'd have a crack myself  Eoghan London (talk) 15:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover versions 

message: "The original stereo mix had Paul's voice only in the right channel during the verses, with the string octet mixed to one channel, while the mono single and mono LP featured a more balanced mix"
Dude! it's normal if it is mono! In mono you have one only channel that you cannot pan! They were forced to put the voice and the instruments on one single channel because they had only one in mono. Seriously, who wrote that part of the article ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.63.72.33 (talk) 17:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense 

message: Interesting stuff: Decoding “Eleanor Rigby”. GregorB (talk) 00:19, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Slate'' article 

message: Did John Lennon write "wearing a face that she keeps in  a jar by the door" ? Thought I read of him saying this -- but kind find source.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.108.186.194 (talk) 17:57, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Lennon line in lyrics 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There's extensive discussion at "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)" that the lyrics are a "funny" narrative about setting fire to a young woman's apartment because she wouldn't f*ck, something corroborated three decades later by McCartney (who, predictably, also claims to be the primary genius behind the track).
With that in mind, I'm thinking that "Eleanor Rigby" ought to at least mention (if not explain) Lennon's comment at a 1966 press conference that this song was inspired by "two queers."
(One more thing: shouldn't the article title be captured by double-quotes? Isn't that the stated style hereabouts?)Weeb Dingle (talk) 22:44, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Lennon's "Two queers ... two barrow boys" comment is now mentioned in a footnote in the Release section. JG66 (talk) 15:44, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  song inspiration? 

message: Can we discuss Daisy Hawkins? I'm not sure from what I've read that McCartney definitely says that the lady he did jobs for was called Daisy Hawkins. He may have originally used the name Daisy Hawkins in the song when thinking of this lady but was her name really Daisy Hawkins? If this lady was called Daisy Hawkins we should be able to identify her on Liverpool records. Where did she live? When did she die? I'm surprised there isn't more information on this. If she was called Daisy Hawkins there should be more details about this person either in the article or out there in source material. This needs more clarity.C3MC2 (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daisy Hawkins