Talk:List of universities in Belgium

message: Is the Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Afdeling Kortrijk a university of its own? If not, I think it shouldn't be listed there with equal footing. Any comment? --Edcolins 19:29, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)
No it isn't, so I have removed it. It is a part of the KULeuven. --Cheezycrust 23:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Afdeling Kortrijk 

message: The changes made by Ambiorix seemed biased so I contacted the user. The user never replied. Even stranger, the user disappeared within 24 hours. This is what I wrote to Ambiorix:
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Your addition to List of universities in Belgium seems biased. 
When you write that "Universities and university colleges in Belgium offer programmes in which Dutch or French is the language of instruction. Some offer programmes taught in English." you probably focus on university colleges. As I wrote: Most universities (and I did not write 'university colleges on purpose) have programmes in English. Some actually even in Spanish or Chinese. You seem to want to underscore teaching in other languages by the traditional Belgian universities.  
Your next addition is legally completely wrong though. "A few international institutions of higher education, offering accredited programmes, are present in Belgium, through European accords, or by virtue of other national or international legal rights." This is incorrect. According to OECD, WTO (GATS) and EU policies and regulations national governments are fully responsible for higher education offered in their country even by foreign private institutions. They should have transparent procedures in place to accept foreign higher education institutions. This means that international institutions can -already at the moment- get a recognition in Belgium (through the communities). The two institutions you added are not recognised though. This means that their diplomas are not recognised by any government in Belgium. 
The Brussels School of International Studies should be on the list of British universities because they award British diplomas (whatever their recogntition). In Belgium, a diploma awarded by this institution needs to be recognised as a foreign qualification by a NARIC. 
THIERRY is also not a recognised Belgian institution. They award diplomas from Brexgata University Academy. Brexgata is not undisputed; as one can read here. Brexgata claims accredition by UCRED. UCRED is an organisation which only seems to accredit Brexgata. Totally contrary to common practices among accreditation organisations they also don't publish their accredited programmes. 
In conclusion of the above, I would like to ask you to remove the two additions unless you can proof that they are recognised by either the Flemish, the French or the German Community of Belgian.
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Could the conclusion be that someone is pushing the agenda of institutions that are not recognised in Belgium. --O-AoA-o 19:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: About THIERRY (re your comments above). They do not award diplomas from Brexgata University Academy, but precisely the opposite. As for the dispute: the Talk has long been abandoned as I see it. The dispute-subject seems to have been the history of the organisation. In my opinion it is well documented on the site. So the dispute is quite redundant now. As for the accreditation by UCRED: Brexgata nowhere claims accredation by Ucred, in fact both organisations merged (see other thrread, plus info found on the organisational site). As for the publication of accredited programs: there are other organisations that require log-in procedures. Sideline: it is interesting to see that on the public domain "front" there are indeed cases of fraud (as Dr. Schneider reported to me - see other thread) (Ambiorix 18:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning the changes made by Ambiorix

message: 19:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There should indeed be freedom of choice but there should also be clarity about the value of the diplomas. We shouldn't present institutions of which we don't know if their diplomas are worth more than the paper their are printed on. Can I put my newly established home university (which could be a diploma mill, see above) on the list? --O-AoA-o 16:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Again, if this article is to be one of Belgian institutions recognised in Belgium (only), then the listing should reflect this. In other words, and in line with your way of (re)structuring this article, and of referencing to the institutions listed on the sites of the Communities, then the ones that do not appear on the latter should be removed. (Ambiorix 17:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: To EuroAcademics: I tried to discuss certain issues with you (User_talk:EuroAcademics) but you didn't react. --O-AoA-o 09:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

text: To O-AoA-o: You have started this whole discussion in the public domain, here on this discussion thread, on 7 January 2007. That is how it should be continued, not by private communication. (EuroAcademics 19:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recognised or not recognised - 

message: If, as the article correctly explains, education in Belgium is the responsibility of the linguistic communities, why is this article arranged according to region (i.e. geographically)? It is incorrect to label any educational institution in Brussels as being in Flanders or in Wallonia, as Brussels is part of neither. I propose the article be re-arranged in one of the following ways:
* Remaining geographically arranged, but with Brussels as its own category. Under this could be the subcategories denoting responsbility, "Flemish Community", "French Community", and "Other".
* Remaining geographically arranged, but with Brussels as its own category. Under this could be the subcategories denoting principal teaching langugage, "Dutch Speaking", "French Speaking", and "Other".
* Being re-arranged according to responsibility, i.e. "Flemish Community", "French Community", and "Other"
* Being re-arranged according to principal teaching language, "Dutch Speaking", "French Speaking", and "Other".
I'd be pleased to rearrange this article. Please let me know what you think of my proposition.
Deregnaucourt 14:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree that there are a number of things to be clarified and changed in the article. There is, quite obviously, the Brussels-Capital Region (not Community). Institutions based there should be listed in accordance with what you propose, but perhaps based on their Community-recognition. It needs to be said that Brussels is also the capital of the Flemish Community; that makes things more complex. I guess a foreigner will not understand the Belgian trium-system of Communities, Regions, and the Federal (national). We have not even considered the German(-speaking) Community yet. So, perhaps sorting by "Flemish Community" (except Brussels), "French Community" (except Brussels), "Brussels Capital Region", plus "Other", seems feasible. Then, the "Other" would allow entries for institutions that are not specifically (or not yet) bound by either or both of the Communities-recognition. But perhaps institutions in "Other" would be recognised in other ways, or by another governmental body in Belgium, such as the federal Ministry of Defense for the Royal Military School I believe. The option of principal teaching language is of value as well. Perhaps this should be mentioned in a revised paragraph that starts at the beginning of the article. However, the option of re-arranging only by teaching language is nearly impossible to make; institutions can offer some programs/levels in one (national) language, and other programs in English, or both, etc. That option is too complex and will require continuous updates. Any other opinions about the case of Belgium?  
(EuroAcademics 17:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The introduction is right in that higher education is governed by the Communities. There are three Communities in Belgium: the Flemish Community, the French Community and the German Community. These Communities determine by law the univerities and colleges that can issue valid diplomas. It is therefore not logical to have "Flanders + Brussels" or "Wallonia+Brussels" in the title. I understand that this is difficult to understand for foreigners, but the Flemish Community comprises Brussels, as does the French Community.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.91.179.207 (talk) 12:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are they arranged geographically?

message: I removed the reference to "Isles Internationale Unversité" which is a re-badge of the discredited Irish International University.See here for further information Savlonn (talk) 11:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed reference to discredited "Isles Internationale Université" 

message: As to now, UCL, StLouis, FUNDP and FUCAM are still four independent universities and should thus be listed that way. Fusion has been postponed until at least (!) 2011. If someone wants to cluster them differently on the basis of the Academie Louvain, the same should be done for members of the Academie Wallonie-Bruxelles and for those of the Academie Wallonie-Europe.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.104.87.122 (talk) 13:57, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  UCL 

message: What was the New University of Brussels, according to some sources founded in 1895 with the active involvement of Élisée Reclus, and where Reclus became a professor? How did it relate to other institutions in Brussels? Dsp13 (talk) 10:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New University of Brussels?