Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling

message: Shazza McKenzie's article has been nominated for deletion. The input of members of WikiProject Professional wrestling is appreciated in the discussion of whether or not it should be deleted. CeltBrowne (talk) 10:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the justification for the article's deletion? WaimiriMaina (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Solely based on the discussion I read, it was a problem all too common with this project's articles: piling on citations to match results and calling the article "well-sourced".  I also saw participants repeatedly deferring to the project's list of reliable sources.  The community at large expressed concern years ago that those sources were never vetted by the community at large.  Additionally, many AFD discussions of late have taken specialized notability claims to task. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions  19:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shazza McKenzie (3rd nomination)]]

message: WP:PW/CAREER: Summarize the major events and key points of the wrestler's career...
For example, consider Kelly Kelly (RR2018, RR2020, RR2022), , Michelle McCool (RR2018, RR2022, RR2023), and Torrie Wilson (RR2018, RR2021),. Only RR2018 was a notable appearance for all of them? Should we mention all RR appearances? Or can we summarize all of them; e.g. Kelly Kelly participated in the RR2018, RR2020, and RR2022.. Another point is the mentioned wrestlers are retired. What about active wrestlers? For example, Natalya never won a RR match but she has the most RR appearances. --Mann Mann (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the project had this discussion long ago... y 2 cents, no. People have the idea about notable matches. If the wrestler has a PPV match, it's notable. In a 30 wrestlers match, not every wrestler has a major moment. Maven eliminating The Undertaker? Yeah. Austin Theory being eliminated in a few minutes by Cody Rhodes? I don't see how that's a key point in his career. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is 50-50 for RR. It is one of the biggest WWE PPVs. So participating in the RR match could be passable as notable match/appearance (like a WrestleMania moment). For example, the most notable moments of Xia Li's career are her participation in Mae Young Classic and four Royal Rumble matches. The rest of her career is just some TV matches and house shows. On the other hand, I agree with your points. For example, Dana Brooke has 6 RR appearances and 1 elimination. So except her first appearance in RR2018 (and the only time she eliminated another participant), the others feel nothing special: Enters the RR match, stays there for some minutes, and then someone eliminates her. --Mann Mann (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, it's a case-by-case scenario. However, as I pointed, many articles include a WP:PROSELINE structure like "At Royal Rumble, participated as Number X and was eliminated by Y", which I don't see as a notable or key event of the career. On the other side, something like "Bobby Lashley feuded with Karrion Kross, elimintating each other on the Royal Rumble..." sounds better and fits into the storyline. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I think if it is a part of storyline or feud (leading to a notable match), it should be mentioned. For retired wrestlers, I think RR match appearances could be summarized in one sentence. Because they count as sporadic appearances in my opinion. For other stuff, we can move them to their related sections; e.g. Natalya holding the record => Legacy or reception section. --Mann Mann (talk) 02:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Royal Rumble match appearances acceptable as WP:PW/CAREER?