Talk:Colombia–United States relations

message: The article needs cleanup, according to the tag added by another contributor, and I agree. Two of the reasons, beyond grammar and spelling, are its relative fragmentation and its lack of sources. It could be better if the article dealt with U.S. interventions in a chronological manner. For example, one section should clearly refer to interventions in the 1900's, 1910's, 1920's, etc. In addition, many of the claims, especially the more subjective ones, need to have links or references. The information has to be verified or at least attributed to specific persons or entities. If such references cannot be  found, then they should be removed or altered. Juancarlos2004 17:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: my good lord is this article terrible.  I started to edit it but gave up.  I think it should be scrapped and completly rewritten.Travb 10:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: this refers to an old version of the article, not the completly new version.Travb 03:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: I simply added #REDIRECT Plan Colombia to this article.  I hate to do something so radical, but this article is so poorly written, I felt it was the only solution.  I have my lawschool paper on Colombia, about 10 pages cover the history of the US in Colombia, which, when done, I can add to this article. since it is a lawschool paper, every single sentence is referenced.Travb 19:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Be bold

message: Any deletions can you add to this page?  I noticed that you blanked this section:
Violence is so prevalent in Colombia that Colombia has created a new type of social scientist, called the violentologist, to analyze the violence.  The majority of violentologists attribute the violence to three causes: 
#a weak central state,
#poverty, and an 
#elite political system which excludes the less affluent of society.  
This wikipedia page focuses on a fourth factor which most American's are strikingly naïve about:  America did not create the root causes of instability and violence in Colombia, but America's presence in Colombia today often exacerbates the violence and instability.  
I feel that this is important because if acknowledges that the US is not the cause of all of the problems in Colombia. The one sentence I struck could be removed, but without an explation of the root causes of today's violence in Colombia, a naive person would think that the US is responsible for all of the problems in Colombia, which we know is far from the reality.
Nice edits BTW.
Signed:Travb (talk)   05:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is/was meant as a temporary blank for format/stylistic reasons, not due to any final  judgement about its importance/relevance to the article. I may probably restore it later, but in the meanwhile you may also re-add it or rephrase it if you wish. No particular problems there. In any case, I'll try to add any future blanks/deletions to this page. Juancarlos2004 20:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I restored the hidden section. Travb (talk) 15:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks for edits

message: This section was hidden from the main article a few months ago, using .  I decided to move it to talk:
:Both liberal and conservative mainstream foreign policy analysts and the majority of International Relations academics hold an orthodox interpretation of American post-Cold War policy as fundamentally different from the earlier Cold War period, called the "discontinuity thesis".  Bristol University Politics Department professor Doug Stokes argues forcefully that the "discontinuity thesis" is flawed.  Stokes contends that post-US Cold War policy, which is anti-democratic when US elite interests are threatened, is no different from earlier Cold War policy.    This revisionist position argues that the Cold War was principally about Northern Hemisphere competition to control and exploit Southern Hemisphere natural resources, in other words, "the maintenance of a world capitalist order conducive to US economic interests".    Even after the collapse of the Soviet Union, this competition for third world resources continues, thus there is "continuity" in US foreign policy. Stokes uses the US policies in Colombia to test this thesis and concludes US foreign policy has been consistent in Colombia.
:#  Doug Stokes, Why the End of the Cold War Doesn't Matter: the US War of Terror in Colombia, Bristol Univ. Politics Dept., available at http://www.aqnt98.dsl.pipex.com/choms.htm. (last visited Apr. 9, 2006).
:#  Doug Stokes, America's Other War: Terrorizing Colombia 13 (Zed Books 2005).
Signed: Travb (talk) 15:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed to talk

message: After reading through the article, I have encountered Doug Stokes' work being referenced 14 times in the article. I find this troubling as the article seems to resort to citing one author who has a clear ideological bias throughout various points. Citing biased sources isn't necessarily always wrong, but over-reliance on this one author's singular point of view gives this article an ideological slant in favor of Stoke's opinions. Referencing such a biased sources in such a high quantity of times in one article is not becoming of an unbiased encyclopedia article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.226.190 (talk) 04:56, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Over-reliance on Doug Stokes 

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message: Something about this sentence just rubs me the wrong way:
An army regiment from Bogotá was brought in by the United States to crush the strike.
Having read the Santa Marta Massacre article for context, I recommend a change to the active voice:
The United States government arranged for a Colombian army regiment from Bogotá to be brought in to crush the strike. The soldiers erected their machine guns on the roofs of buildings at the corners of the main square, closing off the access streets.
Does that work for everyone? Does that seem accurate to what happened?
--Brasswatchman (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest line change under 'Early 20th Century'