Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 7

message: Why do we automatically assume that it will be the GCN controller? All he did was hint.... he never flat out said "The Wiimote will NOT be used", he said it's SPECIAL FUNCTIONALITY won't be used.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seros (talk • contribs) 21:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Controller

message: the ship that Fox was on in the trailer was not "the new Great Fox" as seen in Command. the old Great Fox can be seen in the background for a few seconds when Fox is shown at one point in the trailer. --AgreeneyedFox 03:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Two different stages then? — Jaxad0127 04:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  a Star Fox stage with the "new" Great Fox 

message: The line between Wario and Stages is all wonky, even though the code seems to be correct. What happen? 
EDIT: Now that I look again, what's been taken out of stages is now all broken looking at the bottom of the page under references. Comrade Pajitnov 00:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: /fixed. The  tag was not closed, and so the whole thing appeared in code at the bottom as part of reference 9. Fixed easily enough by adding a  tag. Ourai т с 00:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's that. About that picture though, it kind of ruins the flow of the article. I think I'm going to remove it for now. Comrade Pajitnov 00:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The page broke

message: I understand why the characters section is in alphabetical order, but with Fox having a picture placed above the general picture that depicts most of the characters, the section looks pretty muddled. I have some prepostions.
A. Change the order of the characters section. The order would be based on the picture of the majority of the characters, with the characters not featured in the picture listed alphabetically at the end, possibly with pictures of their own. (Personally, I think that there should also be a picture of regular Samus Aran.)
B. Keep the alphabetical order and remove Fox's picture, moving the general characters picture to the top of the section.
C. Keep the alphabetical order and remove all the pictures except the general one.
D. Replace all pictures with the bar featuring the faces (or so) from the Nintendo World trailer.
E. No change.
Obviously there are options besides the ones listed, but these cover most of it. I feel we should go with either A or D.Tuesday42 22:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just remove the Fox picture. It's a screenshot, and it doesn't really do much hel p to the article. Yoshitsune Shaojian 06:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair Use dictates a limited amount of pics so option D won't work.  I say just keep it the same, when the game is released that whole section will be revamped anyway.  Most likely all character pics will go by then.  In favor of the character select screen.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 17:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters section picture issue 

message: Can that really be trusted?  I mean, how do we know EGM isn't speculating (and they have in the past)?.  No official sources have reported this.  Furthermore, it's a little hypocritical to allow that in the article when just awhile ago everyone agreed not to put Fox in the confirmed character list when a European Nintendo magazine (which was more official than EGM) "confirmed" him on the belief that it was most likely speculation. 199.126.137.209 10:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have, and it wasn't very helpful.  It provided no better insight into this issue.  Again, what makes EGM's release date any more accurate than Gamestop (who claims March) or IGN (who claims TBA 2007 for US and December 31 for Japan)?  Could someone at least add a disputed assertion tag to it?
What happened to the "better safe than sorry" attitude that the editors of this article had before?  When many sources had claimed the game developer was Sora, everyone decided there wasn't enough evidence to prove that (and I agree), but now when a very questionable source gives a release date, everyone decides it's good enough.  Also, if you check the Japanese wiki on this, you can see that they don't even have a Japanese release date.  Funny how no one in Japan has heard about this yet (or that so many people just neglected to edit the page accordingly). 199.126.137.209 11:22, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Power Slave, so true; and January 2007?! That is HIGHLY unlikely. Knuckles sonic8 00:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Summer 2007?

message: Matt over at IGN seems to think so.
Source
Qorzm 06:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not an official source and in reality probably does not know any more than anyone else.  Though neither is EGM, but that nevertheless seems to be good enough for this article's editors...bah. 199.126.137.209 11:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible May 2007 Launch? 

message: Can someone revert the page? Somebody screwed it up. --Linkmasta 22:32, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Explain/be more descriptive. What edit did so? How exactly is it screwed up? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 22:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. Someone fixed it. --Linkmasta 22:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert 

message: For the public good, I created a quick FAQ for some questions that seem to crop up once every week or so. If someone wants to box it to the top of the page, go ahead; I'm not too sure what accepted format is for such a thing. Hope I've been of service. Ourai т с 03:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job, this answers most of the recurring questions that people have concerning SSBB. I wonder if we could provide a link at the bottom of this article to direct people to the FAQ. Does anyone think would be a good idea? Master Strike 12:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already done that, except that the link is at the top of the page, so that it'll be noticed by impatient anons.  :p  Seriously, I've hedged it in as the first section.  Go and look at it, if you please.  --Luigifan 12:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and well done. Master Strike 12:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl/FAQ|FAQ]] 

message: The Fox article makes reference to him being displayed to the right, and the description of the picture lists Fox and Snake, they are not in the picture. LordFenix 09:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Picture 

message: Why keep the solid snake pic if were not going to have a wario pic, a fox mcloud pic, and a samus with normal armor on pic I'm getting rid of the snake pic. User:Marioman11
:So people will actually have proof that he is actually in the game. Fox and Samus are returning characters and Wario was pretty much guarenteed to get in there anyway.  --Linkmasta 20:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a picture is easier. Besides, we already have a link. --Linkmasta 22:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solid Snake pic 

message: Can someone please add a more detailed level description for the confirmed levels? For instance, the  
description for the mario kart level could include that the track is Mario Circut from mario kart DS  and that red shy guys drive on the track to interfere with the battle. --User:MariofanDS 14:27, 20 November 2006
: Thanks for your input! Unfortunately, one cannot discern that the mario kart level is taken from a specific Mario Kart game. It is styled after the Mario Circuit levels which appear in all Mario Kart games, and, to me, that level seems to be based of of either Mario Kart DS or Mario Kart:Double Dash. Also, if you notice that an article needs improvement, feel free to do it yourself. Even if you consider your input to be bad in anyway, other editors will add on to it.Tuesday42 21:37, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  obviously you can't label the mario kart course as from a certain game and call it fact.  however, as far as assumptions go, i'd rate it very likely that it is based on the DS mario kart.  this is because the shy guys only appear in mario kart DS, and their karts are of the mario kart DS style.  nintendo very rarely mix and match their games. Djchallis 22:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The course does contain traits from the DS game, but that does not mean it is based off of that game exclusively.Tuesday42 23:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Detailed level descriptions? 

message: Once in Fox's area and once down at the bottom in development. The thing is, I don't know if it would have to be reffed both times, and I'm not sure what to do with it. I'll let you Wikipedians decide. Comrade Pajitnov 00:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The same IGN page is reffed twice 

message: IGN says that Brawl will be released in Japan on the 31 of December in 2007 here. Should we add that in or wait until we get a better source? --Linkmasta 14:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Best Buy said March, EGM says "Summer". See where I'm getting at? FullMetal Falcon 21:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's all so clear now! Thank you, FullMetal Falcon! (No sarcasim intended).  --Linkmasta 22:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: There's no way it could be finished by March of 2007... unless they've been keeping the game's true progress under wraps this whole time.-Power Slave 01:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible. The game was revealed relatively late in development, but this is apparently the norm for games these days. (A good example would be Halo 3; revealed about the same time, finished at around the same time.) The second trailer shows what is clearly gameplay footage. I wouldn't be surprised if Brawl is at Alpha build, and the next few months between now and Gold will be mostly play- and bug-testing. Ourai т с 01:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: On the Smash Bros. Dojo, the newer trailer was re-released in better quality. Maybe now we can pinpoint more detail and description! Spindash Shoryuken 02:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Re-released Trailer 

message: I came across some screens just a minute ago. Don't know if these have been seen yet but in case they aren't, here's what I'm talking about: http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nwii/smash-brothers-wii-new-images/. Knuckles sonic8 22:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're all on the Dojo. Also, this isn't the place to discuss new game information unless it is relevant to the article. Sorry if I sound like a jackass. :P --User:Guess Who, not signed in
Thought it was related. Reveals sources for images furthering the confirmation of a few things in the article. Knuckles sonic8 23:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: So anyway, regarding the above gallery, we can discern: (a) the return of the Pokemon Stadium stage from Melee; (b) Kirby has the ability to use DeDeDee's hammer. There's also something attached onto Fox's leg - seems familiar to me... a bomb of some kind? Maybe it's another one of his weapons in his arsenal. Anything else? Knuckles sonic8 03:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Screens

message: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748545/img_4086682.html
Maybe we can incorporate this picture into the article somehow? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.83.132 (talk • contribs) at 18:53, November 27, 2006
:It would be possible, but not preferred. Most people know what the characters look like, and there is the "cast" image at the top of the character section for most of them. Snake is an exception simply because, since he hasn't been in Smash games before, an image is indicated to show that, yes, he actually will be in the game. Fox doesn't really need an image, and, according to fair use Wikipolicy, the fewer images we can use, without overly restricting content, the better. Also, see this relevant comment, just a few sections up. Ourai т с 00:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like how IGN takes images and smacks their nasty watermark on them. Anyway, if people want to see pictures of the characters, they can go look for them themselves. No need having tons of pictures making the article all cluttered. Comrade Pajitnov 01:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fox in SSBB 

message: I got a picture of all the characters here http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o155/depressio_11117/SmashBrosCharacters.jpg?t=1164680097 Depressio 20:20, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Characters Picture

message: The FAQ (which I did read) mentions that no other characters have been confirmed by official sources.  Masahiro Sakurai commented on a radio show that there would be three more characters: Bowser Jr., "Celda" Link, and Ridley.  He also said that Mr. Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and Young Link would not be in the game.  I felt the game's director was a significant enough source for the statement to have value, so I added the three characters to a small subsection at the end of the characters portion.  These characters haven't been seen any videos or Nintendo promotions yet though, and I made sure to specifically point that out.  Anyways, I wasn't entirely sure of the best course of action, so you guys decide. Chris3145 22:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the archive talk page and saw this was removed before.  I personally think it is reliable enough to be mentioned as long as it taken with a grain of salt, but somebody did make the good point that the article at 1Up.com could be a product of a rumor mill (It was taken from a different French article, after all.) I'm taking it off. Chris3145 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, until all characters are known. FullMetal Falcon 21:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Characters

message: From the official Smash Bros site, as of Nov. 26th: "This is Masahiro Sakurai of Sora, director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl.". Can we list the developer as Sora Ltd. already? This seems like confirmation to me. TheWarlock 17:31, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sora is Sakurai's own studio, not the studio Nintendo built around him. The developer had, at the time of Sakurai's article, just completed a major game, which does not fit Sora, not to mention that Nintendo brought the team in, not Sakurai. There's basically no way the developer is Sora. --Guess Who 22:42, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, can we list Nintendo as the developer, then? Leaving it as "unknown (disputed)" is stupid; of course there's a developer.128.226.230.89 18:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Er, no one's denying that there is a developer, just that we don't know who the developer is. 199.126.137.209 04:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Developer 

message: Shouldn't all of the release dates say "Worldwide 2007" as a release date? The nintendo world trailer even says that it comes out worldwide 2007. User:MariofanDS 2:24, 29 November 2006
:I do think each region's release should be noted as "TBA 2007," but at this point, it doesn't make much of a difference. Once specific dates are given (either in general or for specific territories), I'm sure they will be put in the infobox immediately. -- Kicking222 03:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: world wide 2007

message: I just reverted a long, unreferenced list of uncited characters. This got me thinking that it's almost time to create List of characters in Super Smash Bros. Brawl, in a manner similar to that of Super Smash Bros. Melee's List of characters in Super Smash Bros. Melee and List of Super Smash Bros. series NPCs. Holy ****, I just noticed that Characters in Super Smash Bros. Melee has been Prodded! :( Anyone willing to take care of that? I don't think a category will ever replace a halfway decent list. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 07:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made that page cover the entire series, but then I realized that the Super Smash Bros. (series) article already documents all the characters, which SSB they appeared in, and what series they're from. So no, we don't need a Characters in Brawl article. Comrade Pajitnov 16:08, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right; I also really like the check/x/? system they use to compare the games in that article. Very concise. Perhaps the pages about the characters could be redirected to that section? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 17:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good idea. Comrade Pajitnov 19:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of characters in Super Smash Bros. Brawl|Brawl character list, [[List of characters in Super Smash Bros. Melee|Melee's character list]]'s prod (!) 

message: Why is the fact that Sakurai said you might use the Gamecube controller NOWHERE in this article?
Do you guys not want it on there?Tj terrorible1
:It's there, you're just not looking hard enough. Takuthehedgehog 22:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sakurai comments on the Gamecube controller in this article

message: I don't see how not being allowed to say that certain stage is from Kid Icarus makes more sense than saying that the Yoshi's Island stage is from Yoshi's Island.  The thing is, anyone familiar with either game can see it.  There's an enormous statue of Palutena in the background.  If that's not a dead giveaway, then I don't know what is.
If you're not convinced, compare these pictures: 
http://www.smashbros.com/en/pics/pic15.html (look at largest statue in background)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Palutena.jpg
That statue makes it just as obvious it's a Kid Icarus stage as the Great Fox makes it obvious that the stage Fox was shown in makes it a Star Fox stage.  If that's speculation, then everything in the stage's section is speculation. 199.126.137.209 22:54, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I know we have rules, and I know that original research is not allowed, but comparing two pictures is not original research, and neither is stating the obvious. --Conti|✉ 00:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've changed my mind now that I've seen that. It is pretty obvious that that's a Kid Icarus stage. I'll put it in for now. Comrade Pajitnov 16:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm inclined to agree with the Icarus thing but I'm more convinced with Yoshi. Knuckles sonic8 01:50, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kid Icarus Stage

message: Just so you all know, I received the confirmed stages from the Japanese article of this page. If it's in the Japanese Wikipedia, then it has to be true. Just wanted to say that (There was also some "Shadow Moses" stage from the first Metal Gear Solid). Cat's Tuxedo 18:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because it's Japanese doesn't mean it's correct. That's all baseless speculation, and I'm sick of people instantly assuming that the stages are based off of recent games. They seem to think that the Mario Kart stage is instantly from the DS, and the Yoshi's Island one is Yoshi's Island 2, even though the stages are just based off of the look or the series. Also, the Halberd appeared in Kirby Super Star, and it isn't necessarily based off of Squeek Squad. So no, it's not right. Also, the Metal Gear Solid stage is indeed based off of Shadow Moses, but every time that's added it's removed, so whatever. I'm done now :P Comrade Pajitnov 20:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: every once in awhile, I check out the Japanese page and it definately isn't more reliable.  Just like here, there are people adding bogus characters and other nonsense from time to time, so no, the Japanese page is not a final authority. 199.126.137.209 22:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's funny, I looked on the Netherlands page and someone had added Sora in. I wonder how long that's been up there <_<. Anyway, the English SSBB article is definitely the best out of the bunch. See for yourself :D Comrade Pajitnov 22:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I agree with most of what you have to say Comrade Pajitnov, I disagree on the Mario Kart level not being based on MKDS. The track looks very simmilar to Circle 8, a track only on MKDS, and MKDS is the only game in the series that Shy Guy is a playable character. Takuthehedgehog 02:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It is mentioned in the article, in the second paragraph towards the end.Sollegend622 14:00, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't make it from DS. It really doesn't look like Figure 8 Circuit to me at all... Comrade Pajitnov 14:22, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Am I the only one that instantly recognized that as the Mario Circut stage from Dubble Dash? :P Seros 21:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, that is what I thought as well. Others, however, claim that it is based of Mario Kart DS. I have never played this game so I cannot verify this. Either way, since there seems to be quite a variety in opinion as to where this track comes from, it would be best to what until we can get official confirmation. Master Strike 00:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Confirmed stages list

message: I've seen this forum linked over and over again on all of the Smash Bros. related articles. This forum has a whopping 19 members, and I'm pretty sure that puts it in the unnotable department. So if anyone sees the forum linked on any of the SSB related pages, do your best and delete it. Paji out ^_^ Comrade Pajitnov 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. They're using Wikipedia as advertisement :-/ -Power Slave 22:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smash Syndicate Forums 

message: Why not just put the developer as "The Studio"? FullMetal Falcon 20:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And who exactly is The Studio? -Power Slave 12:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Since the real name cannot be known, why not use what the director currently calls them? FullMetal Falcon 00:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be pretty confusing to people reading the article. 199.126.137.209 08:41, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, you might as well put "being developed by 'some guys'".  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New developer proposition

message: Why is this page protected? I'm just wondering.
DanielV29XMK8 18:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's protected because when it isn't it gets mauled. Comrade Pajitnov 19:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why aren't all pages in the best possible status for the moment protected until there's something new to write about the subject? (At least I assume they aren't.) This page should definitely stay protected until the next big thing happens, however many months it takes. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Donate) 22:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly. Comrade Pajitnov 22:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection? 

message: There are some images relating to Brawl not on the article. For example:
*Mario, Meta Knight, Link, and Pit fighting at the Castle Level
*With fighters battling in the back, a large puppy from the Nintendogs games covers the screen. It is said that this will be an item in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.
s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 05:41, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were taken out because the page is limited by how many Fair Use images it can have.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the notification s d 3 1 4 1 5 final exams! 18:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment