Talk:Dog food

message: There need to be sources listed on what foods are toxic to dogs.  Where is teh source that says avocados aren't safe? Brumpz 18:05, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and added some sources, and clarified that the avocado has only been associated with poisoning in dogs in two known cases.  We really need a new article on foods poisonous to dogs.  Any thoughts on a good title? --Joelmills 01:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: I'm not sure what purpose the "List" sections that User:HarryCarrey44 added to the article are serving, but I'm going to refrain from messing with them a little while so that Harry has an opportunity to explain them. I don't think it's practical- speaking as someone with a fair bit of industry knowledge, I think the various types of dog foods and ingredients used therein are just too numerous to fairly attempt to list. As far as "types of dog foods" go, most foods fall into multiple categories (for example, several foods are both weight management and joint support formulas- joint support, as an aside, being the preferred term versus "arthritis relief," as there are several problems that can be treated in the same manner as arthritis). As far as ingredients are concerned, well, how come lamb, salmon and venison make the list, but pheasant, cod, beef and chicken don't?
My point is this: while I appreciate the sentiment, I don't think it's possible to make an inclusive list that serves a real purpose. For now, it looks like they're just clutter, unfortunately. --Moralis (talk) 21:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Ingredients? 

message: It'd be interesting to see more about the health claims for dog food - are there regulations on what claims can be made, what is the evidence, etc.  Some of these foods that say they'll extend lifespan, cure arthritis, keep weight under control, give you a glossy pelt... shoot, they make me want to eat the stuff myself! ;) 204.186.19.202 13:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health benefits 

message: Seems like this page has too many external links... a lot of which duplicate each other.  Also, the history suggests this page attracts a lot of people promoting their own sites.  Anyone have any thoughts on which (if any) of the links should be removed? -Watchsmart (talk) 20:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I work at a fairly major retailer of the various higher-end pet products (no byproducts, no filler type foods, etc.) and I'm unable to decipher what products this paragraph is referring to. Is it talking about homemade dog food? --Moralis (talk) 19:40, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fresh dog food? 

message: I've been wondering this for a long time.  What are the % protein, fat, carbohydrates as well as the amounts of vitamins and minerals that dogs need each day.  If someone decided that they wanted to make their own dog food (only in recent history have dogs been fed industry dog food, after all) what would be healthy things to feed them.  I live in the country in Ecuador at the moment and sometimes it makes more sense for me to cook food for my dogs instead of feeding them dog food.  When I do this, I try really hard to make it balanced.  Nonetheless, I've found little information on the internet about dog nutrition so it's made this more difficult.
Thus, I advise either adding a section about the nutritional requirements for dog food (this might be more useful than a list of ingredients) or make a whole new article about dog nutrition.
Saritamackita (talk) 05:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For min and max nutrient values you can refer to AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profile.--Dodo bird (talk) 01:21, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog Nutrition 

message: Is there any evidence to back up the suggestion that dry food is beneficial to tartar build?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajshep1984 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. This page is to discuss the article, not to ask questions. However, if what you say is true it would be a good addition to the dry food section. So, research the subject and when you have found out the answer, with references, add it to the article in the dry food section. Thanks. Bob98133 (talk) 13:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dry Food Beneficial 

message: ::The reviews and comments on these pages are my opinion. These opinions are based on information gained from the research of these dog food brands. Further research is needed and your vet should be consulted when choosing a  new brand of food. The owner of http://dogfoodchat.com can not be held accountable for any information given on this website.
The disclaimer above indicates that this page is personal opinion and so does not meet the requirements for a Wiki EL. Please discuss your rationale for adding this link prior to reverting. Bob98133 (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  http://dogfoodchat.com 

message: I removed this part from the Contents section as it only contained one source which was listed as a single employee of a single plant. The reference website 404ed when I tried viewing it. It was not a reliable source, but with the webpage out of existence, this section has no basis and was removed. Feel free to add it back if proper sources and references are listed.
--Elysianfields (talk) 21:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - I agree previous ref was shaky, but the info was OK. I found some new refs from reliable sources (AVMA,AAFCO) and reworded new info. This is pretty gross stuff that is generally not mentioned, so I think it is good for it to be included in the article. Pls check it out and make changes if needed. Thanks Bob98133 (talk) 15:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meat byproducts 

message: I removed the part that says
:The AVMA and FDA confirmed in 1990 that some pet food manufacturers were using euthanized pets in their dog food.Dog Food Ingredients
The FDA's own statement contradicts that. And consumersearch does not meet Reliable Source standards. Please try to find the original FDA statement which confirms that. Of course even without dogs and cats, that pentobarbital is/was found in pet food should be mentioned.--Dodo bird (talk) 06:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Some claims here.--Dodo bird (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pets in pet food 

message: There are vegetarian dog foods on the market.  Why is any discussion of them in the alternative dog food section always deleted?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.106.191 (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The unproven belief that vegetarian dog food is unhealthy may have lead a person or group of people to remove it, or perhaps someone just thought it wasn't significant enough to mention. Personally, I think it's an important enough part of the dog food industry to warrant an entry, so I will add it to the alternative food section.Kay320 (talk) 20:18, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because of their lack of ground for their insists. They provided "Vegetarian diets, low-meat diets and health: a review" for the citation for "studies have demonstrated that a plant-based diet can be just as edible and palatable as animal-based diets for dogs", but that citation is not for the dogs but for the humans. 121.149.56.123 (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegetarian dog foods 

message: Several places in the article assert that wet dog food is nutritionally inferior to dry.  These are loaded with uncited claims and weasel words, which I have marked.
If there is in fact evidence to support these claims, I think it should not only be cited, but also explained in the text.  The claim as it stands is counterintuitive and causes the reader (me, at least) to suspect that the author is confused or trying to be misleading.  It is not at all clear why higher moisture content would be a problem; surely if it causes the dog to consume more water than it needs, the dog will simply urinate more.  Of course, it does mean that a given weight of wet dog food will be less nutritious than the same weight of dry dog food.  But surely this just means that a dog has to be fed a greater quantity of wet food than dry, which is patently obvious.  It isn't evidence that wet dog food is inherently inferior to dry, which is the impression given by the present text.  It looks like the author is worried that some reader may switch their dog from 200g of dry dog food to 200g of wet dog food per day and thereby starve it to death.
By the same token, one might say that oatmeal porridge is less nutritious than dry rolled oats, and therefore one ought not eat the former!
:I have changed it. I have researched and found no evidence of any kind to support the author's point of view. Kay320 (talk) 18:49, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism of wet dog food 

message: It is said that "The acceptable level of bacteria in meats sold at grocery stores is 30% or less because it is meant to be cooked." This sentence is irritating as it is not said what 30% refers to. It does surely not mean that 30% of the mass of the dog food canbe made of bacteria. So what does it mean? This should be explained further or deleted from the article
78.54.89.176 (talk) 10:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics 

message: I removed "* Horse meat Code of Federal Regulations,Title 9, Volume 2, Sec. 355.29  Composition of certified products for dogs, cats, and other carnivora." because horses can no longer be slaughtered in the U.S., even for pet food.  The article seems US-centric.  Please replace this if you can find a better source. Gigemag76 (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Horse meat 

message: Anyone object to me removing this from the top?
"Not to be confused with Dog meat, which covers human consumption of canines."
While humorous its extraordinarily unlikely that anyone assumes that "dog food" refers to people eating dog meat.--RobertGary1 (talk) 22:59, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not dog meat 

message: This terminology is not universal.  The article as an article 'topic' can be called Dog Food but Dog Food Meat here in Australia is usually referred to as Dog Meat, i.e. Meat for Dog consumption.  This article implies that calling meat for dog consumption Dog Meat is incorrect when it is not, perhaps it depends which country you are in. And no, we don't have any other Dog Meat here - we Australians don't consume dogs.  We also often refer to food for cats as catmeat if it is meat too.
--ZhuLien (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog meat and Dog food 

message: I have undone the user Hilo48 change. I guess they have never done any research into this topic like some people have. Here is a list of print references that most of this info can be found in that are not selling pet foods. I'm sure if I took more time and looked threw all of my books and did a little research online I could give a lot more references for whats not covered by the ones listed below
Healing Pets With Nature's Miracle Cures By Henry Pasternak DVM CVA,
Natural Pet Cures by Dr John Heinerman
Food Pets Die For by Ann N Martin
Home Safe Home by Debra Lynn Dadd
Prisoned Chickens Poisoned Eggs by Karen Davis PhD
Fluoride The Aging Factor by John Yiamouyiannis
Mad Cowboy By Howard F Lyman
Everyday Health Tips by Prevention Magazine
mvarney85 was right in stating that this is info that all pet owners should know, I have known it for years. Just because something sounds disgusting and revolting doesn't mean its not true.
Moose278 (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the source offered by User:Mvarney85 and now restored by User:Moose278 does not look at all reliable. The only link associated with it that gives any indication about who is providing the information is to a seller of dog food. And that's still the only source provided. It's not acceptable. As seeming newcomers to Wikipedia you may find it helpful to look at Wikipedia's policy on sourcing of article content. You need to follow those guidelines to add suitable references to the article, otherwise that content cannot remain. As for those printed sources you have listed above, although it's difficult for me and others to check them right now, they could be acceptable if you provide an indication of where someone else can find them. ISBN numbers for books others could find in a library can be useful. However, I do have my concerns. A publication titled "Fluoride The Aging Factor" immediately raises concerns. It may be promoting what is widely regarded as the fringe view that fluoride is dangerous. That won't work here either. Are the others of that nature too? Finally, it's not a matter of this content being disgusting and revolting. It's a matter of it being hard to believe without very reliable, mainstream, verifiable, independent sources. HiLo48 (talk) 02:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog Food facts 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I changed the raw food section to better reflect the content of the raw feeding article Fvialard (talk) 19:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raw dog food 

message: This needs a section on puppy-specific food to go along with the one for senior dogs; WP:SUMMARY can be employed on material from Puppy nutrition.  I have redirected Puppy food to Puppy nutrition in the interim. It was somehow a red link. Weirder yet, so was Dog nutrition, which now redirects to Dog food.  We have a WP:CONSISTENCY policy problem here, and need to settle on titles and article structures that are similar instead of confusingly conflicting.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:14, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puppy food 

message: Peer-reviewed studies have showed no clear link between grain-free diets and DCM in dogs: https://academic.oup.com/jas/article/98/6/skaa155/5857674
Moreover, in late September 2020, the FDA issued an update on the grain-free pet food and canine dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM) investigation, walking back their initial reports implying a causation between grain-free foods and DCM: http://www.ksvdl.org/resources/documents/dcm-forum/DCM-Forum-SolomonOpening-Remarks.pdf  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fangfabio (talk • contribs) 15:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link between grain-free dog food & DCM 

message: — Assignment last updated by Tc3739 (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Research Process and Methodology - SP23 - Sect 201 - Thu

message: Here is a suggested edit that might highlight the importance of the additional information. The goal is to provide full and credible information and prevent misinformation and health scares. 
 superseded the previous update, concluding the administration did not find any statistical evidence of a specific connection or causal link between the diet and non-hereditary DCM. In terms of the disease, there was no difference between dogs fed a grain-free diet or a grain-inclusive diet
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Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 12:05, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Spintendo Please remember that I am not an experienced Wikipedian like yourself. I am doing my best to stick to Wiki rules and expectations. Thank you for pointing out what you have, I appreciate it. We will reword and try again. Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 08:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI edit request: revised text 

message: The problem here is that the text from the FDA source you've provided does not match the text you're wanting to add to the article:
 Comparison of texts
Text as it appears in the Proposed edit request:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          	Text as it appears in theFDA source material:
In 2022, an FDA update superseded the previous update, concluding the administration did not find any statistical evidence of a specific connection or causal link between the diet and non-hereditary DCM. In terms of the disease, there was no difference between dogs fed a grain-free diet or a grain-inclusive diet.	The FDA does not know the specific connection between these diets and cases of non-hereditary DCM and is continuing to explore the role of genetics, underlying medical conditions, and/or other factors.
It's interesting to note that you placed the ref note for the FDA source at the very beginning in the first sentence of the passage of text and, only then, placed an AKC source at the very end of the passage to act as verification for the additional information that the FDA did not state. The AKC source is an interpretation of the FDA source. It's best to let the FDA speak for itself; thus, if you want this information added to the article, your edit request should have a strict quote from the FDA and nothing more (e.g., "In 2022, the FDA released a report stating 'lorum ipsom dolor mit'."). Regards,  Spintendo  13:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Spintendo Please remember that I am not an experienced Wikipedian like yourself. I am doing my best to stick to Wiki rules and expectations. Thank you for pointing out what you have, I appreciate it. We will reword and try again. Tilly4ChampionPetfoods (talk) 08:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 9-OCT-2023

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