Talk:Jeff Berlin

message: Notability is not seriously in question. 394k hits on Google on "Jeff Berlin", and 2.5k hits on Google Books, many of which attest to Berlin's status as a virtuoso, and one of the highest rated bass players in the world. The only reason such a tag is merited on the article is because these edits wiped out the entire discography, itself compiled by several editors. I would suggest that it be restored and an 'unreferenced' tag be added to the section. Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability tag 

message: The Discography below was removed by User:MarioNovi and its veracity is now challenged by User:Sitush, thus it is necessary to find a reference for each entry. I've done the solo stuff, some of the sideman section yet to be done. Any assistance appreciated. Please add label +ref. Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I didn't specifically challenge the discography: I challenged all of the then unsourced statements. - Sitush (talk) 17:00, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  The discography, clearly, was included in the "hole in the dyke". Despite it including several works notable enough in their own right to have wikipedia articles, noting Berlin's participation. Wwwhatsup (talk) 04:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be honest, I hadn't even realised that there had been a discography. I was more concerned about the plain text. However, yes, it should be referenced. I'm not a follower of music but I'm surprised that there isn't a reliable online source that lists them all and would thus enable us to have a simple opening statement at the head of the list that contains a citation to that source. - Sitush (talk) 08:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I had a look around, but I didn't find a definitive guideline. It is normal practice to include template links Template:Allmusic and Template:Discogs artist in ELs. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

text:  What compilation albums? Listed separately where? Wwwhatsup (talk) 00:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Crossroads is a compilation according to link you provided. Are these usually listed separate, with Greatest Hits and Best of? MarioNovi (talk) 00:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not particularly, to my knowledge. This was a fresh issue on a new, and major,label.  IMO it counts as a release whether the track had been available before or not, it's an album. Breaking out a new section is a stylistic decision I leave to others. I am still working to resurrect the article from it's earlier trashing. BTW if we went into all the re-releases of these albums the list would be huge, many of them have come out several times. Is your point that you are still suggesting Berlin's notability is in question? Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do not know what you think I am trying to say, I only wanted to add a heading for compilation albums.  MarioNovi (talk) 07:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was referring to your concern "It makes it appear like he has released more than he truly has." If you want to break out the compilations go ahead. If Sitush were to rescind his/her challenge, we could possibly dispense with the refs, but in the meantime the rest have to be done. Perhaps you could find time to run through the remaining, including label info? Wwwhatsup (talk) 07:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see you are more interested in undoing my edits elsewhere than bringing this article back up to where it was before you got to it. Wwwhatsup (talk) 05:46, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  What is relevance of this here? I think discography on this article is a waste of time, and also was discourage at talk for New York Noise. Thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 06:00, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

text: If you dropped your challenge, it might save us all some toil. Although it has been quite interesting discovering the vagaries of Berlin's recording career. There is a project dedicated to the topic Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies. Sourcing is only really mentioned as regards to chart positions. There is a brief style guideline here. Then there  is a further defunct discussion on style which says For the establishment of the general releases in a discography – that a certain release exists, was released in the first place, and is a part of the artist's body of work – general sources, as opposed to in-line citations, are sufficient. For additional non-contentious facts such as release date, record label, and catalog number, general sources are also acceptable. It further suggests Discogs as a reliable source. You will see at the top of the project talk page an old discussion on the reliability of AllMusic. Wwwhatsup (talk) 10:13, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not dropping anything. If you want to do you own thing then go write your stuff someplace else. This cavalier attitude to our policies is precisely why you are in the mess that you are in now. I'll take a look at the various links - thanks for providing them - but, as I say, WP:V is paramount. - Sitush (talk) 10:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: has asked me why the Path of Palms studio link is included in the External Links section. I've looked at it and I, too, am stumped. I can find only one mention to Berlin on that website, which indicates that he has a some point been an artist for the studios. It is literally just his name and it does seem incredibly tangential. Can anyone explain why this might not be considered spam? - Sitush (talk) 08:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say it should go. Wwwhatsup (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Do you want to remove it, because you added it back after I removed it? Thank you, MarioNovi (talk) 04:17, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done it. No point in faffing around when this issue has been raised for a week, we have 3 in agreement and the article subject is unlikely to attract a massive amount of talk page comment. - Sitush (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: External links