Talk:Stanley's Cup

message: According ot the trivia section, Ike appears before he actually joins the team. But where? He's certainly in the promo picture (which is where I suspect this 'trivia' came from, but he's not in that scene in the actual episode. So unless he appears in another scene (I don't think so), theres no goof there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.68.224.29 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ike appearing early 

message: Some guy must've really been angry at the end of the episode portraying his team like that. I'm surprised there are actually hockey fans. >.>.
Yeah, as a Red Wing fan, I feel honored to finally be made fun of south park :D
Did anyone notice that Nelson's (the sick kid) father has a hat that has a "fixed" shadow. While he turns it around in his hands the shadow turns around with it. :)
The trivia part of this article should also include the info on Steve Irwin remarks.
The trivia section on the Irwin remarks does not need citation needed, they are there, everyone whos seen it can testify to that.
It is ridiculous to flatly state in the trivia that this has the most dark and tragic ending.  If I were to pick one, I'd say "Scott Tenorman Must Die" had a way more terrible ending.  It was of course hilarious, but still very dark.  I deleted the line.  Not to mention, even if the statement is correct, it's still an opinion.
Although I've never seen "The Mighty Ducks", it seems to me the plot of "Stanley's Cup" is inspired by that movie. Here is the first sentence of the Wikipedia synopses for "The Might Ducks": "After being charged with drunk driving, a lawyer named Gordon Bombay (Emilio Estevez) is sentenced to community service, coaching hockey, a sport he claimed to hate". In "Stanley's Cup", Stan is forced to coach the local pee wee hockey team in exchange for waiving fines he owes the county and getting his impounded bike back from the county. I think this and other similarities to "The Mighty Ducks" ought to be mentioned in the article. I don't think this is meant to have a "dark ending" as much as it is meant to be a satire of sports movie cliches. I love it when Stan tells his team before taking the ice at the Pepsi Center that "according to every movie that has ever been made, we're supposed to win", which just cracked me up to no end. This is the point of having the pee wee's getting beaten bloody by the Red Wings and having the little boy in the hospital die. Instead of a sports movie cliche ending, we get a South Park ending. It's all very funny. By the way, the Wings outscore the Park County Pee Wee's 30-0 in the third period.
Anyone know what the tracks were that the narrator was playing on the record player were?
I thought the episode was a metaphor for how the United States bullies the world.
Factual point. Wasn't the final score of the match at the end 32-2? I'll have to check it out again during the reairing tonight.
Wow, this episode had a dark ending compared to most other episodes. I can't tell if this is worse than the episodes that have a 'cold end' or not.
I am a South Park fan. But I found this episode to be in bad taste. It had its moments, but it made horrible remarks about Steve Irwin. And the ending wasn't funny, it wasn't good. I like the older season episodes like "Pink Eye, Cartman's Anal Probe, Cancelled, and Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut.
Personal Opinion: I thought the dark ending was unnecessary but funny, given that South Park is a comedy, and one must view the material with a certain frame of mind. Steve Erwin jokes? Sure. The guy was awesome. It's sad that he died, but... what are you gonna do, right? Question: Does anybody know what Nelson's death have to do with anything? Thanks. -- Nick Begovich 05:40, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of people seem to be saying that the ending was dark and not funny. The ending is amusing if considered in the context of the episode. The whole point of this episode is that it's full of movie clichés. The plot and the characters are all clichés. Stan is the only one who isn't a cliché, but surrounded by all these clichés, he starts to believe that everything will turn out OK in the end, just as it would in a movie. The punchline is that it doesn't turn out anything like it should in a movie for Stan, but the Red Wings and their coach do enjoy a cliché moving ending. I reckon the article should mention this, as it's the whole point of episode. Anyone agree? James Richardson 15:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ending I don't think was dark, but it was cliché... personally, I found it hilarious, especially that they killed the kid off at the end - because it's a huge cliché, I didn't really see it coming until the last few minutes. ≈ The Haunted Angel 16:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: In my opinion, most of South Park's season finales aren't their best material. This one seems to have hit a new low, in my opinion.
Personally I like the ending. It shows it from the losers point of view. Moon Stone 08:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the last thirty seconds were funny, but this was, IMHO, the worst episode of the season, if not the show, period. I know what they were trying to spoof, but why bother? Those movies already sucked, and everybody knows it. They couldn't come up with anything better for the last episode of the season?
I don't understand everyone's problem with this episode. This is quite possibly the least offensive episode of all. The entire episode was a parody of a stock movie genre instead of politics, religion, or any specific person. The only offensive lines in the entire episode were the ones about Steve Irwin and they were only in there because everyone expected an apology over Hell on Earth. It's a classic Stan-centric-not-caring-about-the-subject styled South Park episode. To say this episode hit a new low, or any low at all, is to express pure ignorance about the show. Yes, it was dark humor, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. All in all, I can see why people who are accustomed to their political satire episodes would not find this one to be all that good, but to say it's not a good one because it hits any sort of lows is ignorant. It's not what they're spoofing that makes their brand of comedy funny. It's all style and panache, and this episode was full of it. Mac OS X 10:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Random 

message: The part where the peewees play the professional sports team seems a parody of Mystery, Alaska, but I can't find a decent enough plot synopsis anywhere...  Can anyone verify this?  Roffler 18:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only similarity I can see is that in Mystery, the main characters lost their game, much like Stan's team. But in Mystery, the game was lost by 1 point, and everything was all happy at the end, so I don't see that much of a correlation. -- Ubergenius 19:17, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I merely meant the similarity of some local hockey team taking on a professional hockey team.  Unless that happens in real life a lot... im not sure, I don't watch hockey.  134.253.26.6 22:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ^me (whoops) Roffler 22:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I definately thought the part where they play the Red Wings was reminiscint of Mystery, Alaska— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.110.55.108 (talk) 22:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystery, Alaska

message: Is it worth mentioning that the adult canadian team in this episode have normal voices and normal heads? Unlike the southpartk norm—Preceding unsigned comment added by Margheritapizza (talk • contribs) 13:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But in Not Without My Anus, the Iraqis were drawn like Canadians (while the Americans are drawn as normal), yet in every other episode they are featured in, they were drawn normally. Only Saddam kept the Canadian look (and his photo head) in his subsequent appearances. - NES Boy 23:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THose weren't candians... they were the detroit red wings? Borisblue 03:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadians 

message: I just cleaned up a bunch of irrevelant trivias.
please... use common sense when adding trivias— Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.163.141 (talk) 23:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is with just listing bare facts, without integrating them sensibly into other sections of the article. See WP:TRIV. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia cleanup

message: What is this referring to, in the trivia:  "The parents of Nelson are the same couple that appeared in Cartoon Wars that nobody knew about during the sand scene."  I want to delete it, unless someone can make a good case for it.  Professor Chaos 14:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is more of a fact than a trivia. Still it does point out who the 'nobody knew about' couples were all along; Nelson's parents. But then the story gets more complicated. Who's Nelson? The judgement won't depend on me and I will leave it there until somebody deletes it or just leaves it in. --70.187.163.141 19:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, that really doesn't make any sense at all and doesn't answer my question.  Who are the couple in Cartoon Wars that nobody knew about during the sand scene?  I may have to watch the episode again. Professor Chaos 00:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you watch the episode again, two couple say "We will do it" and everybody is like "Who are those people" --70.187.163.141 02:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: I removed this comment from the synopsis, because it doesn't belong there:
"This episode can be seen as a retaliation to the uproar made when South Park depicted Steve Irwin in hell in Hell on Earth 2006, with it's aim focused on shock and disgust rather than pure comedy; a commentary on society's levels of tolerance and acceptance in relation to the limits of what can be depicted on television."
First of all, this is not true at all.  There are only two mentions of Steve Irwin's name (appropriately handled in the trivia section), and they have nothing to do with the episode as a whole.  This episode is a parody of The Mighty Ducks and sports movie clichés, nothing more.  The jabs at those who were offended at Steve Irwin's appearance in Hell on Earth are outside the plot, and are just a brief joke to rub it in their faces.
Secondly, a lot of the statement is opinion, and POV.
Professor Chaos 20:18, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Irwin 

message: I'm not completely sure, but wasn't there an identical bit in baseketball, what with the kid being sick and asking one of the guys to pull some impossible stunt in the game? (baseketball being made by the creators of SP)— Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.154.232.220 (talk) 13:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Parker's character promises a sickly child that he'll score three home runs in BASEketball.  But I think this is a pretty common plot device in sports movies and is more likely a coincidence rather than a reference.  Hoof Hearted 17:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It did happen to Babe Ruth near the end of his career in real life, but Hoof Hearted is correct: it is a fairly common theme in entertainment. Jmlk17 01:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baseketball reference 

message: I'm not sure but I think the two commentators in Stanley's Cup are lot like the Chinese ones in Conjoined Fetus Lady.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.194.3.157 (talk) 17:45, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any time there are commentators in South Park, they are variations on the same two characters.  They first appeared in "Big Gay Al's Big Gay Boat Ride." Professor Chaos 18:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commentators 

message: There has been an unnecessary revert war going on in this article over trivia about characters not appearing. Could you please move that to this discussion page (or another) where it belongs and settle it in a civil manner? Thank you. -- Pawl 15:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I already have commented on this above.  I'll say more.  If Cartman and Kenny's absences are notworthy trivia to add to this page, then every episode page deserves a trivia mentioning absent characters (as many do).  All or nothing.  The appropriate place for these mentions is on the page for the character.  I do not have time for such a large project at the moment (finals week next week), but two projects I plan on doing soon are an overhaul/rewrite of Cartman's page, and also Dr. Mephisto's page (I've rarely seen something so poorly written).  On Cartman's page I will add a mention of notable absences.  Meanwhile, I will leave it in this page until there is that space for it.  It really isn't trivia, anyway. Professor Chaos 23:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert war - characters not appearing 

message: I made an edit where I changed "tyke" level hockey to mini-mite and that Stan would not be able to coach. Why did it get removed? I'm a mini/mite coach myself and verified my knowledge using usahockey.com so I think I would know what I'm talking about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.209.234 (talk) 12:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Criteria for inclusion is in no way based upon what one anon finds "interesting". I think it would also be worth noting that pee-wee level hockey is for ages 11-12 (Minor hockey), significantly older than the apparent ages of Stan's team. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tyke vs. Mini-mite 

message: What's the name of that rock song which played? Can't understand the lyrics except for the constant "woohoo"...
:As the article says, it's Song 2 by Blur. —Angr 13:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song in episode 

message: Some scenes are almost literally word for word.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.213.149 (talk) 01:00, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
-has anyone ever sat down and watched the end of the 1st mighty ducks movie and compared it to "stanley's cup", they are almost identical. Its hilarious, even the trophy looks the same!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.219.216.45 (talk) 16:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Distant" parody of the Mighty Ducks? 

message: I thought that this was worth pointing out. 4 of the players on the peewee team resemble Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.170.222 (talk) 10:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to who? –LAX 10:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peewee players resemble main 4 

message: Any cites for these?
* Two references to the death of Steve Irwin are made in response to the controversies started over Irwin's "cameo" in "Hell on Earth 2006". The first is the doctor telling Stan that if they lose 'the big game' Nelson will "go out faster than Steve Irwin in a tank full of stingrays." The latter, approximately 30 seconds after, occurs when Stan's team expresses scepticism over how long Nelson was going to live. When Stan tells them that the other team wouldn't kill them, the boys cynically reply "that's what Steve Irwin said about the stingrays."
*This episode doesn't feature Cartman or Kenny. Kyle is briefly shown in two scenes: a flashback and during training after Stan recruited Ike.
* The audio clip when the Pepsi Center is shown as the Pee-Wees come to play their game is the "battle won" theme from Heroes of Might and Magic III.
* The entire episode is a close parody of The Mighty Ducks.
* The outfits that Stan and Adams County team's coach wear, as well as the hair styles, are reminiscent of the outfits of the "Miracle on Ice" coaches Herb Brooks and Viktor Tikhonov at the time of the 1980 Winter Olympics.
*  The Detroit Red Wings and Colorado Avalanche have a long, and sometimes brutal, rivalry.  The best example would be the Red Wings-Avalanche brawl 1997.
*  The episode is dogged by a county official with a turntable record player, who comments on the changing situation in a way that is reminiscent of Adam Sandler or Rob Schneider movie trailers (cf. "The Biggest Douche in the Universe").
*  When the crowd begins to chant, "Let them play! Let them play!", it is a reference to The Bad News Bears in Breaking Training from 1977. In the film, the little league game, played at the Houston Astrodome, runs late and the kids are told they have to leave to allow the Major League game to proceed. At which point, they begin the chant to enable the game to finish.
When we get them we can add them to the article again. Alastairward (talk) 10:41, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Basic primary source facts don't really need citing as they are verifiable by anyone who looks at the primary sources. This applies to things such as "Cartman is not in the episode", "this music is called that" and "this plot is similar to that". If verification can be found by following an internal link, e.g Red Wings-Avalanche brawl 1997. Please be sensible when removing "unreferenced" material. –OrangeDog (talk • edits) 02:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am SO glad I'm not the only one who sees a problem with all these things being removed from the main articles. A basic summery and nothing else is not why I go to the articles. ..okay, that isn't entirely true in some cases. But more often than not, with South Park I look for the episode articles because I wanna know MORE than the story summary. Dakmordian (talk) 09:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The two of you should look at the episode articles for South Park (season 13) before casting further judgement. Perhaps even try citing a few things instead of dwelling around complaints on the talk pages... Alastairward (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Alastairward, please go read Wikipedia:TRIV and the section "What this guideline is not" and stop removing the trivia. Thank you. 131.188.203.167 (talk) 19:51, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural References and OR 

message: The caption to the main image says "halftime". Since when is their a halftime in hockey? Or is that how it is referred to in the episode? Can't remember. Brokenyard (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Halftime?