Talk:Ransom Everglades School

message: It's too cheerleaderish.  I encourage those with sufficient information to rewrite it in a more neutral manner.  --Nlu (talk) 16:55, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been some time and many edits since the above discussion on Point of View issues. I've removed or rewritten many sentences that were controversial, see my notes below. If no one has objections I'll remove the POV tags now. I believe the citations also really help set the tone of the article as a factual and neutral summary of the school, as opposed to a place to make partisan claims or views about the school. It's much more encyclopedic now, in my opinion. - Owlmonkey (talk) 00:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POVness 

message: Personally, I think this article should be placed under temporary restrictions against unauthorized edits. This page is a top target. Here's some recent nonsense in the article.
"Random Everglades boys can primarily be noticed by their vacant expressions and greasy faces. To compensate for their impotence, they generally display simian aggression. You can usually notice them from their oversized basketball shorts and pristine white basketball loafers. Girls can be noticed by their legs, which are always spread open. A not unpleasant smell usually billows from their vaginal crevices."
Can someone delete this paragraph from the article? Thanks. CapeVerdeWave (talk) 24:51, 4 October 2007
:if there is concern about ongoing vandalism to this page we can request semi-protection so that anonymous edits will be disallowed but established wikipedia editors may still contribute to the page without obstacle. I'd recommend that before going to full protection. - Owlmonkey (talk) 00:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection from vandalism 

message: I graduated in 1959 -- I was Valedictorian, but there were only 11 students!  A great English teacher, I can't remember much about the others except that the French and history teachers were not very good at all (the history teacher simply read to us from the textbook). Still, I went to Yale from there and probably wouldn't have if I'd stayed at Coral Gables High.
Seems to have changed a wee bit since. Dougweller 18:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wow 

message: I took a stab at adding badly needed citations, and in doing so corrected a number of inaccuracies. There is still some language here that is slightly POV that needs correction, in my mind. But I'm quite open to discussing and revising all of my edits. Please leave comments for me here. I will watch this page for changes. I'd like to suggest though that after these edits, and perhaps some additional minor ones to provide real sports and matriculation details, that we can remove the 'cleanup' tag and the 'POV' tag. Please comment here about that as well. For disclosure, I graduated from this school in 1988. But I believe I can edit the article from a neutral point of view. - Owlmonkey (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, i think i've rewritten what remained in the article that lacked neutral, encyclopedic writing. I invite your comments or discussion about the edits here. In my mind the article now satisfies any POV concerns and cleanup needs. If there is no comments or complaints in a week I'll remove the POV and cleanup tags on the article. The sports claims I removed, if anyone could find citations for them, would be wonderful to ad back though. There may be some specific sports accomplishments with valid, neutral, third-party citations that we could put back. I just couldn't find any in my searches to substantiate the claims in the article. So I removed them. I imagine some sports news articles about ransom might provide scholarly research on Ransom's history with respect to sports. But all I could find in my searches were mentions of specific games or seasons and standings versus other schools in their division. Nothing notable particularly. - Owlmonkey (talk) 00:20, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: lacking any opinions here I'm removing the tags now, please feel free though at any time to comment here or propose adding them back. I'd be quite excited to have more of a conversation here about this page and how to improve it collaboratively. Best to you all. - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major rewrite 

message: Ransom has a very effective debate program. The team won the Nationals Debate tournament in Public Forum in 2007, Emory Barkley Forum in Public Forum in 2008, and the Florida State tournament in Lincoln-Douglas debate in 2008. - Rogue  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.252.55 (talk) 02:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Not sure where to add that to the article. Google finds references to the wins, including the national championship last summer, easily enough. So it would be easy to cite. But in the context of being encyclopedic, we probably shouldn't have lists of accomplishments by themselves. See the Stuyvesant High School article for an example of a high school with a lot more content; perhaps move in a direction like that in terms of prose? In that case we should perhaps mention the debate as an academic club or program and perhaps mention the national wins in the same sentence. Will you take a stab at adding it? - Owlmonkey (talk) 07:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Debate

message: I just reverted an inclusion of Jack Davis as a notable alumni, for one because he's not yet an alumni (still a student) and two because there is no wikipedia article about him specifically as notable. But I'm curious what people think about attempting to establish notability for him and creating an article about him. Here are some links to stories about the young man:     I doubt he meets WP:BIO requirements though. Maybe the law if passed could have an article and then he could be mentioned there. Thoughts? - Owlmonkey (talk) 22:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sixth Grader Jack Davis 

message: I didn't add the reference initially, but I tend to agree that she is notable simply because of her age as a Rhodes Scholar winner. Not only that, but since leaving ransom she completed an undergraduate degree, then a masters and doctorate in philosophy at Oxford University. She now works as a post doctorate fellow at Oxford and has over twenty publications. This is all before the age of about 22. The following was in the article before it was reverted twice by user  who omits any reasoning for removal so far. Any other opinions on this? - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid that isn't enough. We've got our own criteria for academics, read them here: WP:ACADEMIC. Why, even I don't qualify for an entry on this article. :-)  dougweller (talk) 20:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, I'm probably just star struck. :) And she would likely need to be included on Notable Rhodes Scholars too and meet the editors consensus there. - Owlmonkey (talk) 19:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She's certainly impressive, you could try that article. I've fixed the links, just use open and close square brackets, not ref. It was a boys only school in my time, sigh.  dougweller (talk) 19:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Devi Sridhar

message: The administrator asks what happened In August 2008. At that time Comayagua99 made the exact same change to the article. This discussion then occurred on Comayagua99's and GroveGuy's talk pages:
Coconut Grove is not a city, it's a neighborhood within the City of Miami despite what Ransom Everglade's website says. Look it up! :) --Comayagua99 (talk) 19:54, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to live in the Grove and I went to Ransom. The link should go directly to our article - if you want to try to change the namne of the article, you can try. But our readers should not have to go to a link to find out that Coconut Grove is in the City of Miami. Miami calls it 'Miami's Village' (for publicity purposes anyway) . Dougweller (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coconut Grove  vs  Miami