Talk:Chamorro language

message: does anyone know the phonemes of the language so we can construct a chart with the IPA symbols??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.195.115 (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Phonemes

message: -I changed a couple things around in the "Common Phrases" section. I'm going to get rid of the "oga'an maolek" nonsense and the like... It's a literal translation, but doesn't actually make sense in Chamorro. We use the Spanish phrases, if we must, but not "oga'an maolek." --Gadao01 (talk) 04:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Early discussion

message: : ' (glottal stop), A, Å, B, Ch, D, E, F, G, H, I, K, L, M, N, Ñ, Ng, O, P, R, S, T, U, Y
According to  Â, Ñ, Ü are the special letters of Chamorro. Is the Wikipedia article correct and should therefore a suggestion for correction be sent to kiisu@eki.ee? Christoph Päper 22:06, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article should include the Chamorro alphabet, listing all of its letters. Equinox ◑ 21:23, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Â, Ñ, Ü

message: I removed Japanese, Spanish, and Tagalog as languages whose usage threatens to replace Chamorro. English is the only language that "threatens" the continued usage of Chamorro. The only people that are inclined to speak Tagalog and Japanese are the Filipinos and Japanese respectively, not the Chamorro people. Spanish certainly hasn't been a threat to the Chamorro language in over a hundred years. However, Chamorros are increasingly more inclined to speak English than Chamorro. Other languages are not a factor for the Chamorro people in this context.Jlujan69 21:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor editing

message: Can someone render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Chamorro? Thanks! Chris 15:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chamorro Scouting

message: Are you sure that's the way to say you're welcome?  In Spanish (Puerto Rican) the phrase "Buen Provecho" translates roughly to "Bon Apetit" in the context of a meal, but more generally, "que aprobeches" can mean "take advantage of the opportunity offered you."  In that sense, a "buen probecho" sounds amusingly cocky, sort of on line with "enjoy".  Can someone verify that your welcome is not "de nada"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamiltonio (talk • contribs) 21:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Buen probecho" is indeed used as "You're welcome" in Chamorro. I believe the term was taken from the older meaning of "Enjoy of what is proffered you," but not necessarily as a "cocky" sort of reply. I'm not entirely sure, but then again, I wasn't around 200 years ago to hear it used in daily conversation. The level of formality (nowadays) for "buen probecho" is on par with "no hay de que" in Spanish, and "de nada" would be closer to us saying  "maolek ha'" or "ha'a"(not something you say to your grandmother, show respect!). The phrase "de nada" is not used by Chamorro speakers, unless they're being "cute" and saying it in Spanish. --Gadao01 (talk) 07:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: If you researched the original use of the Spanish phrase "buen provecho" you will find that it wasn't originally used to mean the equivalent of "bon apetit", but instead it was said upon excusing one's self from the dining table. As the person excused his or herself, "buen provecho" would be offered to everyone still eating. "Buen provecho" or "good benefit", in essence telling everyone "may it (the meal) do you good". Of course, after centuries of usage, the phrase has now become in many Spanish-speaking countries an idiomatic expression equivalent to "bon apetit". In Chamorro the phrase still retains its original meaning. Although we translate the phrase as "you're welcome", what it really is saying is "may it have done you good", in reference to whatever gift or service was offered to someone.--Magalahi (talk) 02:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Buen Probecho?

message: Ok, I have a couple of things to talk about:
# Has anyone actually ever heard someone say "åte adeng-mu" for "Greetings" or "fanatåtte" even??? Cause I know that I've never heard those before. If no one has, I'm going to get rid of those phrases... They sound rather contrived to me, rather than actual phrases. 
# If you don't know the language, please don't make changes to the page like, "These Spanish phrases are innacurate. Chamorros don't actually have any phrases for goodbye or whatever. They use substitutes." Nonsense! As a Chamorro speaker, I'll vouch that we use "buenas dihas" "adios" etc. While the Chamorro from the pre-Spanish era might have had indigenous terms for such phrases, in modern Chamorro we use the Spanish loanwords/ phrases.
--Gadao01 (talk) 08:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Chamorro Basic Phrases

message: I am not any linguist but I believe "memorias" is either Spanish or Portuguese introduction  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.58.125.176 (talk) 01:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a question

message: Just so people know what I'm doing (and can hopefully contribute), I've begun by reordering existing text and adding additional citations/resources. I haven't deleted anything (yet) unless I'm replacing it with similar language covering the same point. There's good stuff already here... but given the extensive history we're trying to cover, there's also definitely more work to do on these sections. If anyone's interested, Guampedia is a great source for information (particularly Kumision I Fino’ Chamorro and US Naval Era Education). Does anybody have sources for the historical Chamorro language experience on other islands (particularly as related to fluency decline, or US and Japanese governmental policies)? Kokobird (talk) 09:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Sources to "Speakers" and "Language Revitalization"

message: It seems like a lot of the history and background assumes that the focus is on Guam only. Admittedly, as a person living on Guam, I often make this mistake. What does everyone think about working at making this a little less Guam-centric? I'll do my best to get this done, but it may end up reading oddly... so feel free to call me out if the wording comes across as too stilted. Kokobird (talk) 09:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Guam-centric references

message: Dictionary and grammar of the Chamorro language of the island of Guam (1918)
https://archive.org/details/cu31924026914501
https://archive.org/details/aff7166.0001.001.umich.edu
https://archive.org/details/dictionarygramma00preirich
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryandgr00deptgoog
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryandgr01deptgoog
https://archive.org/details/dictionaryandgr03deptgoog
Chamorro Testament
https://archive.org/details/ChamorroTestament
New Testament in Chamorro (Chamoro) Guam - Polynesian - Chamorro Islands
https://archive.org/details/NewTestamentInChamorrochamoroGuam-Polynesian-ChamorroIslands
Gospel Book of John in Chamorro (Chamoro) Language of the Island of Guam - 1908
https://archive.org/details/GospelBookOfJohnInChamorrochamoroLanguageOfTheIslandOfGuam-1908
This is actually in Spanish and has been mislabelled as Chamorro
https://archive.org/details/ajf9929.0001.001.umich.edu
Rajmaan (talk) 15:10, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Materials on Chamorro language 

message: The article indicates uppercase versions of several digraphs in which both letters are capitalized. For example, <CH> as uppercase version of <ch>, rather than <Ch> as one would find in English and most other languages. I have seen people write <CHamoru> using this convention. However, I have not managed to find a reference to this convention. It is not mentioned in the official spelling rules adopted by the Guam government. Does anyone know a source for this? Gholton (talk) 06:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Gholton. Maybe a bit late, but there are some references that indicate the full capitalization of the digraphs ch and ng in the official orthography of Guam (CH, NG), not for the orthography of the CNMI (Ch, Ng) though. First, the official orthography rules of the Commission on CHamoru language: Guam CHamoru Orthography, PDF. Second, there is a very useful free grammar by Sandra Chung that also covers the topic of the different Chamorro orthographies, especially pages 671pp. Sandra Chung: Chamorro Grammar, 2020. I hope this helps. With best regards, --Hanzlan (talk) 09:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization of digraphs

message: The phrases formatted like this are confusing:
    Buenas dihas [Spanish introduced] påt Manana si Yu'os
Are there two equivalent phrases here,
   “Buenas dihas” [formal? from Spanish, obviously]
and
   “påt Manana si Yu'os” [informal? From Austronesian]
Or is it a signle phrase:
    Buenas dihas påt Manana si Yu'os
babbage (talk) 19:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: How to read phrases?

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message: In the alphabet table, the final column says that the letter Y/y is used for the phonemes /dz/, /z/ and /dʒ/. I assume those phonemes are actually written as Z/z instead? Libcub (talk) 09:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The data in the table is correct. The paragraph below the table gives some further explanations about the use of the grapheme <y>. The standard pronunciation is [dz]. –Austronesier (talk) 10:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  alphabet table error?