Talk:Jesus/Archive 53

message: It would appear that this section is no summary of the "main" article it points to, namely New Testament view on Jesus' life but is a duplicate attempt to cover the same ground. Drogo Underburrow 03:29, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Aiden and I disagree. I thought it would be better for him to work on the NT view article and summarize it here, while he felt it would be better to expand the section here first. We are going to have to deal with this eventually—the "Life and Teachings" section was longer than the NT view article the last time I looked. Odd that a summary would be longer than what it is supposed to summarize. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 03:41, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan on doing a complete revamp of the NT article in the next few weeks, incorporating most of the Jesus-related articles into a well-rounded NT biography, etc. Until then, I recommend leaving this section as is, but working on making sure the summary here covers all bases. After that we'll do a major article update on the NT views. —Aiden 05:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. There are also people working on Historical Jesus to make it less of a Q-and-A FAQ and more of a discussion of the various scholarly models, and the history of the quest for the historical Jesus. We should probably clean up the religious views and Christian views articles as well. Overall, this article isn't perfect, but is still better than the main subarticles. It may be time to look at those subarticles. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 13:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplicate article

message: We are still having a minor edit war over Matthew 5. At one point, I had a short summary of each of the points, but removed it to be concise. I feel we can discuss the details at New Testament view on Jesus' life, not to mention that the linked article already gives full details.
Somebody (most recently , an AOL IP) keeps adding selective details to the summary of Matthew 5. Aiden calls these "cherry-picked examples," and I agree. 205.188.116.66, however, says "revise the list of examples as you think necessary; but some examples are needed, otherwise the sentence is very misleading."
We should talk about this. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 15:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I request that the article be semi-protected (per the previous request of multiple editors above.) This user is taking the whole of the sermon and picking only 2 examples which are not at all representative of the sermon and using them only. Previously we had a general summary of the sermon with a link to the whole of Matthew 5. This person wants to selectively link to only a few verses in order to portray the sermon as dealing with these issue only. —Aiden 16:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you wish to request this, I will support. It's hard to deal with anonymous IPs even when they make edits in good faith, because IPs are shared and often change with each session. Arch O. La Grigory Deepdelver 16:27, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is valid to point out somewhere in the article that "spirit of the law" is not a simple platitude and can lead to some (perhaps surprisingly extreme) unexpected conclusions - ones which the gospels themselves put in Jesus' mouth. Where & how to do this is another matter --JimWae 19:14, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's why we provide a link to the whole chapter as a reference. —Aiden 20:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: An external link with no commentary at all, though --JimWae 20:06, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war over Matthew 5