Talk:Chicago Blackhawks

message: Would it be worth mentioning the rivalry that exists between this team and the Vancouver Canucks on this page? Or it would warrant its own page? If anything that rivalry is bigger than the ones vs. St. Louis and Detroit today.--Xiaoshan Math (talk) 19:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been plenty of times in NHL history where teams played each other frequently in the playoffs over a short period of time, but almost never has a lasting rivalry been created.  Detroit-Colorado is the only one I can think of, and only then because the Draper-Lemieux incident served as a catalyst.  At this point, I don't think there is any indication that three consecutive playoff match-ups has created a lasting, notable rivalry.  Especially given the Hawks are over 80 years old.  Three years is a drop in the bucket.  It is certainly something that warrants brief mention in the history section surrounding 2009-2011 on both the Hawks and Canucks article, however. Resolute 00:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Ravenswing and Resolute said it best:  There is a trend in a lot of sports articles that once there has been a chippy game or a series or two played close that there is instantly a "rivalry", when at best it is short lived.  I'm not saying this is the case here, but this is especially the case I have seen with younger editors/fans who swear up and down that Teams "X" and "Y" have been rivals "my whole life!".  Remember that in terms of verifiability, even if you find a couple of sources, it could still be challenged as WP:RECENTISM.  My advice would be to not go here. LonelyBeacon (talk) 01:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:   Canucks rivalry 

message: The second paragraph under "The Original Six era" historical heading tends to blame the Detroit Red Wings organization--and the Norris family ownership of Chicago Stadium--for the Black Hawks' competitive ineffectiveness.  The following is written without footnoted sources:
"Owner and founder Frederic McLaughlin died in 1944. His estate sold the team to a syndicate headed by longtime team president Bill Tobin. However, Tobin was only a puppet for James E. Norris, who now owned the rival Red Wings. Norris had also been the Black Hawks' landlord since his 1936 purchase of Chicago Stadium. For the next eight years, the Norris-Tobin ownership, as a rule, paid almost no attention to the Black Hawks. Nearly every trade made between Detroit and Chicago ended up being Red Wing heists. As a result, for the next several years, Chicago was the model of futility in the NHL. Between 1945 and 1958, they only made the playoffs twice."
What are needed here are footnoted sources of documents, quotes, and other written proof to: 1) Establish that Bill Tobin, as the operative owner of the Chicago Black Hawks, was indeed an agreed provider of lopsided player transactions to the J. E. Norris ownership in Detroit; 2) demonstrate that the Black Hawks faced the threat of eviction from Chicago Stadium if the team didn't service the Red Wings organization with such sweetheart player trades, and; 3) provide transaction information of such player moves, to provide documentation of the so-called "heists".  Without these sources, I raise the assertion that the quoted above context is mostly conjecture and heresay; and I would greatly welcome documented support for the asserted content.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.18.232.143 (talk) 18:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Original Six era 

message: I think what this article says differs from one location to the next, for example the infobox shows no alternate jerseys, whereas the jerseys section refers to the old black alternates that haven't been used in awhile. Belugaboycup of tea? 21:17, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you read further in the Jerseys section it mentions that their 3rd jersey has been retired so now there are only the home and away jerseys which is why they are the only two in the infobox. -DJSasso (talk) 13:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the Blackhawks have three uniforms. They wear black uniforms based off their Winter Classic jerseys. They also have a green jersey they only wear at home games on Saint Patrick's Day. I'll try to update this information if I get the chance and can find better references. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   02:08, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mentioned the Winter Classic third jerseys were retired after the 2010-11 season. As for the St. Pats jersey I have never seen them actually use that in game action but if you can find a source to mention it in the jersey section go for it. -DJSasso (talk) 20:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Hi, this is my first attempt at a Talk Page ourside my own, so I hope I do this right.
The Blackhawks page has a section about the National Anthem because it is noteworthy that the Blackhawks fans Tradition is differently than "normal" Tradition in America as defined by the US Flag Code. Since this section is talking about the US Flag Code, it would be an improvement to add a link to WikiPedia's page on the subject. 
I think many readers probably don't know what the US Flag Code is, and a link is a clear improvement.
Also, without identifying the contrast between the Blackhawks Tradition and American Tradition, it is pointless to even have that section.
The link that should be added is this one: []
Maybe some text like this would be appropriate? Please provide me with how you feel it should be worded. I don't want it to sounds like any POV, such as making a judgement about the differences, which some people obviously have but is not appropriate here.
 
Thanks!
Change this:
"It is a tradition for Blackhawks fans to applaud and cheer loudly during the singing of the national anthem. This tradition originated during a 1985 Campbell Conference playoff game at Chicago Stadium versus the Edmonton Oilers.[46] Jim Cornelison currently sings the national anthem for all home games."
To this?
"In deviation with the US Flag Code, it is a tradition for Blackhawks fans to applaud and cheer loudly during the singing of the national anthem. This tradition originated during a 1985 Campbell Conference playoff game at Chicago Stadium versus the Edmonton Oilers.[46] Jim Cornelison currently sings the national anthem for all home games."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdruid (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that they are talking about a deviation from the flag code....but a deviation instead from the way its usually dealt with at hockey games. -DJSasso (talk) 16:45, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

text: First off, thank you for finally bringing this here for discussion.  Now, literally every event I have been to in the US where the anthem is played has featured numerous "deviations" from the US Flag Code.  So the first question I have is: why is it important to even mention the Flag Code in this article?  What makes this deviation special when compared to others? What reliable sources exist to indicate that the deviation itself is notable?  Once we answer these questions, we can look at phraseology within the article. Resolute 17:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

text: "Radically different" is your point of view.  Certainly I don't think applauding during the anthem is really any different than Dallas fans yelling out "STARS" or Capitals and Flames fans yelling "RED" at the appropriate moments (though, of course, US codes don't apply in Canada).  That is beside the point, however, as in the two years you have been obsessing over this, you have never brought forth actual reliable sources to justify inclusion. Resolute 15:39, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to agree. Every sporting event I have been to in the US people have hooted and hollered during the singing of the national anthem and have completely deviated from the flag code. To the point where I would think it was weird if fans at a sporting event didn't do it. I am not sure why its even mentioned in the article period. That whole sentence should probably just be removed. -DJSasso (talk) 17:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the "deviation" they resort to is so much over-and-above what is normally done.  In Chicago (from what I've seen on TV), it seems that most of the fans are making noise during the ENTIRE anthem, where as, at most sporting events, there is SOME noise during the majority of the song, but the vast majority is reserved for the end.  As far as fans of the other teams mentioned above yelling "STARS," "RED," or as I've noticed Orioles fans yelling "O" for the "Oh, say does that..." they are more emphasizing certain parts of the anthem, instead of randomly cheering through the whole song.  These are all "Deviations" from the flag code, but I think the point of including it in THIS article is that it is a different KIND of deviation.  I don't have an opinion either way as to weather this section should be in the article or not, I'm just adding what I think they are referring to. -Num1dgen (talk) 18:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

text:  I think this is about as trivial as the detailed mascot info some people try to shoehorn in.  There are vast amounts of Chicago on-ice history that are missing from the article.  Ken Wharram's heart attack in 1969 that forced his retirement after a thirty goal season?  Not mentioned.  The Black Hawks' first ever regular season championship, and the end of the "Curse of Muldoon?"  A single freaking sentence.  Their four Cup Finals appearances between their '61 Cup and the 1990s?  Handled in three sentences. And Mattdruid wants to spend more time discussing people shouting through the National Anthem at home games than Stanley Cup Finals appearances?   Ravenswing   06:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Anthem: Blackhawks Fans and the US Flag Code 

message: I tried to do some digging but couldnt find enough answers, but if others could help out that would be great. I think the blackhawks are the only professional team to win a championship and visit the white house twice while the current president in office is from that teams home town. If we could look into this and add this fact at the end of the 2013 Stanley Cup section.
5-25-13  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barefoot768 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: while that is no doubt a possibly unique situation, tracking down this information in a reliable source will be tricky, and it's really over the line into trivial territory. Not to mention that they have not visited the White House yet of course, who knows when they will, so you can't even add it until it happens anyway, per WP:CRYSTAL. Echoedmyron (talk) 21:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

text: Beyond that, while this is a stale discussion, the Montreal Canadiens won eight Stanley Cups during the period where Montreal native Pierre Trudeau was in office.   Ravenswing   06:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Stanley Cup Championship 

message: Someone needs to change the wording of "Post lockout era" to Salary cap Era. That is the difference post 2005. The NHL has had two lockouts since 2004 and for clarity it would read better and make more sense for it to say salary cap era. The NHL will continue to have lockouts. True hockey fans will read this wording of post lockout era has humorous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by KillerCarlson (talk • contribs) 22:33, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  On reflection though, I simply removed the statement.  Being the first team to win twice since an arbitrary date is rather trivial to me.  However, if anyone wishes to reinsert it, but making KillerCarlson's change, feel free. Resolute 14:21, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2013 Stanley Cup 

message: I think you are still missing the point, FriendlyFred.  The point is that on this article, viewpoints that relate specifically to the Chicago Blackhawks should be the focus.  Your original proposed rewrite did not focus on the Hawks at all, and instead used it as a coatrack to promote your other article.  In this case, we can take the quote from your NCAI position paper and rewrite into something like  That sentence takes their position, focuses it on Chicago, and quotes their opinion as they present it.  But that is only one sentence reflecting one aspect of this.  It total, I don't think this warrants more than two paragraphs on the entire topic for this specific article.  The (apparently) current position from the AIC that presently exists in the article would represent a positive view from a Native organization.  Though if the consensus of Native groups is that the logo is bad, then we should state and cite that, allowing for the AIC comment to be viewed as dissenting opinion. But that is just one part of this.  What I would also like to see is a statement on the common public opinion of the logo and nickname - because yes, opinions beyond those of Native groups merit inclusion - and any specific statement from the team.  Those are also useful for a complete picture of how Chicago fits into the controversy. Once we have those elements, we can craft a passage that summarizes Chicago's place in this. Resolute 16:08, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This is going in circles, and I have better things to do. Activity is stirring in the articles that interest me more. FriendlyFred (talk) 20:54, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free.   Ravenswing   03:05, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can we go ahead and add this sentence to the article, Reso: "The NCAI believes that all Native-themed nicknames, including Blackhawks, 'continue to profit from harmful stereotypes originated during a time when white superiority and segregation were common place.'"? It would make the logo section less biased. 206.221.158.70 (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

text:  I've just made some edits consistent with suggestions made on this page. Do you approve, Reso? 206.221.158.70 (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While I'm still not sure about some of the overall composition, that does look a little better to me, thanks.  Resolute 23:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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replies: text: Not done: Wikipedia is not a repository of jokes. —C.Fred (talk) 15:41, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Random made a revert here, asking if it was necessary. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chicago_Blackhawks&diff=1052209066&oldid=1052206330
The answer is, nothing on Wikipedia is "necessary." Not one article. Not one sentence.
But this is certainly appropriate. First, it improves the writing. Second, it provides context - which, otherwise, leaves the WP article subject to a potentially misleading reading.
And of course this addition is from an RS. And is so slight as not to be burdensome. --2603:7000:2143:8500:48D2:B86D:BDE:6DF7 (talk) 00:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert by Random 

message: I am not opposed to adding this information to the article. However, I should add that most of information is already stated in 2009–10 Chicago Blackhawks season#Sexual abuse scandal - which has its own stand-alone section. The team history sections of the article should contain a briefer summary of the allegations, investigation, and impact. As it stands now, the 2021 section goes into too many details about what happened to Quenneville and Cheveldayoff who are no longer with the team. In contract, almost every other section has a paragraph or two dedicated for search season. I'm again not against the content but pointing out we have information in three articles now about the same incident with very similar content. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk   01:41, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexual Assaults Investigation