Talk:Bondage (BDSM)

message: As a person who watched that series from its premiere to its completion, I can tell you that Megabyte and Hexadecimal were siblings (brother and sister respectively), the two halves of a more powerful virus. As such Megabyte was suave, calculating and cultured (the brains) while the unpredictable and unstable Hexademical personified chaos (the brawn). The siblings shared a strong rivalry and deep-rooted hatred for each other, and if Megabyte captured Hexadecimal it was usually to make use of the considerable power at her disposal. Comparisions to bondage are likely in the restraints used to ensure Hexadecimal didn't unleash her rage on her brother or his forces at a crucial moment (usually when the heroes arrived to save the day), and not for anything incestual. In short: They really shouldn't be here for the reasons given above, so could we please remove that reference? -- 74.12.132.119 03:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TV shows: ReBoot reference

message: "Studies in the U.S. have shown that about a half of all men find the idea of bondage to be erotic; many women do as well." - any actual stats for women? Crab —Preceding undated comment added 21:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics

message: Is anyone here kinky and speaks Japanese, who could confirm or correct the Japanese bondage entries here, and perhaps even add some Unicode for their original Japanese names? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.253.40.180 (talk • contribs) 16:08, 3 January 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese

message: Added http://www.seriousbondage.com/ - this is a good non-commercial site. Please don't remove it.
Dlloyd 09:31, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Serious bondage might be a good link, but not here, rather more appropriately placed on the BDSM page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.134.28 (talk • contribs) 12:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it is not customary to have links to non-English sites, according to WP:EL. Conceivably this might be an exception due to the quality of content. DGG (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: I've noticed this recent addition.
".... 
The basic style depends on the type of fantasy being played out, here a few examples:
Rape Fantasy: The top fictitiously abducts the consenting bottom and has complete control to do what he/she pleases.
Domination/Slavery: A training session occurs in which rewards for obediance and punishment for defiance are given. Humilation is usually involved.
Predicament Bondage: The bottom is given a choice between two tortures. For example, caning on the rear or flogging on the chest. If the bottom cannot stand one any longer, the top will start the other. This can also be done mechanically, like having a bottom squat and rigging a crotch rope to tighten if they attempt to stand.
...."
To me it doesn't seem relevent as they describe other BSDM activites not neccisarily related to Bondage as an activity.  It seems to me that someone has simply added thier own fantasies to the existing entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.226.118.91 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 29 April 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are entirely correct, IMHO, this paragraph does not belong under bondage, and perhaps not under BDSM either. This is a dictionary to consult for information, not to go into specific scenarious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.134.28 (talk • contribs) 12:32, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this relevant? 

message: I'm tempted to call lack of NPOV of this article, mostly because in my experiences, bondage is not necessarily sexual.  It easily can be, and is a fairly intimate act, like sex, so there is a strong sexual connotation in some cases, but it easily does not have to be sexual.
:I've renamed the article, from "sexual bondage" to "bondage (BDSM)" to reflect this. Does that help? -- The Anome 08:45, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
::That it does, thanks. Sdr 6 July 2005 18:40 (UTC)
::It's an improvement but this article has nothing to do with SM so I think the title may be misleading. It's only about "Bondage" so I think that's what it should be called. Kevin Reems (talk) 19:18, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bondage isn't always identified as BDSM especially in case of being used on its own. I guess, best name for article would be Bondage (restraining) , to differ it from other meaning of word. "Bondage(BDSM)" gives impression to readers that those are synonyms. There is notion that in BDSM, bondage is used in meaning of "servitude" too 85.140.169.23 (talk) 07:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Bondage must be older than this article claims. see works by Jacques-André Boiffard from the 1930s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.125.113 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it a bit odd that those Ann Rice books are named as "early examples" of bondage; they're not very old at all! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.159.30.47 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If that was japanese rope bondage\shibari, then it's very ancient art, actually somewhat linked to martial, artistic and anatomy arts. European bondage supposedly was influenced by it. Shibari is very good example of tasteful, non-sexual (but obviously erotic)  usage of physical restraints, which proves statement in beginning of article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.140.144.252 (talk) 18:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I came to this article out of interest. I read a lot about "practicalities", like a how-to, but little on more serious history, or psychological reasearch. What motivates people (need for dominance, passive agression)? I think this article needs a more serious approach and less of the how-to quality.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.141.127 (talk) 17:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing on psychological research? 

message: The page Fusion Bondage was created, but there seems not to be much info on it.  A Google search only returns 329 instances of the term.  I propose that this subject might better exist as a part of the main Bondage article. Vslashg (talk) 07:51, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One issue is whether "Fusion Bondage" is notable enough to warrant a separate article, or whether it only really merits a brief mention in a more general article (such as this one). vslashg is presumably arguing the latter based on Google search hits, and the argument seems fair enough to me. Remember, Wikipedia is not a place to promote new ideas that haven't really attained any independent notability yet. — Matt Crypto 17:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems a little nonsensical to me to require that Fusion Bondage be a chapter in the Bondage (BDSM) article, but have no reference at all to it in the Rope Bondage article, since it fits in both categories.  M.S.K. 19:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fusion Bondage 

message: I removed this paragraph
: The popular song, "Hurts So Good", by John Mellencamp featured lyrics saying, "Come on baby make it hurt so good. Sometimes love don't feel like it should, so make it hurt so good."
since it seems to refer to S/M rather than bondage as such. Pretzelpaws 06:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Mellencamp song

message: I think that one picture should be of a man in bondage, especially because the article emphasises that many men fantasise about being tied up during sex. I don't have any - anyone who can help out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.1.214.254 (talk • contribs) 16:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Most of the songs, facts etc refer to BDSM not to bondage. Most facts related to BDSM are true for bondage too. This doesn't mean it also has to be the other way around as well. Therefore I believe only facts distiguishing bondage should be statet here... everything else should be put under BDSM. Subsidiarity --84.152.231.17 18:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is true.  I actually put many of the music ref's here, and then copied to BDSM.  When I get a chance, or others do, your idea of trimming these to more bondage specific music links would be great. Atom 23:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mess

message: Could someone  comment on the importance of the 3 books by Steven Toushin, just added to the article? DGG (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: tousin

message: For details compare BDSM#Incidence.--Nemissimo (talk) 19:21, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incidence

message: I dont think its a suitable picture, because it doe not provide a clear illustration of the subject. its a general science from the fair, which could probably used to illustate an article on the fair. some bondage demos seem to be going on, but at WP resolution they are not distinct enough to be informative. I havent the least objection to individual pictures, if they are better than this in their encyclopedic quality. Unless someone can counter this argument, I'm going to remove the picture. DGG (talk) 06:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here...no objection to the pictures, but they are not representative.  We need a few pictures of (for want of a better word) 'normal' bondage, as practiced by couples etc.  Only a small minority of people who actually play 'tie me up games' are actually visible members of the bondage 'scene'.  I'm afraid me and my partner have a few too many miles on the clock to upload any of ours, but surely somebody a bit more photogenic could donate some with face turned away / pixellated if necessary???  Perhaps someone a bit artistic could 'trace' a few ink drawings over some of their photos?.  We need views of the most common scenarios i.e. Woman spreadeagled / 'Y'-shaped on bed receiving oral: woman trussed with man holding vibrator: man with arms cuffed to bed with wife role-playing 'Miss BossyBoots' etc, which is the sort of thing that most people in the real world actually get up to. Strapping Lass (talk) 08:06, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I cropped the image to make the bondage more evident. The image is important and relevant to the section it appears in: "BDSM subcultures". -Neitherday (talk) 16:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Folsom St. picture

message: I don't believe that cat mating behaviour has anything to do with bondage in BDSM. The male cat's motive has nothing to do with the fetishism of bondage and is only motivated by his desire to prevent the female cat from leaving during mating. The act is more in line with rape than it is with BDSM. Neitherday (talk) 04:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: certainly--I'm removing the section-- i doubt it has to do with rape either, just maintaining the mating position, as do all species in various ways. This particular position is the way kittens are held, so I assume it is felt as appropriate affection either consciously or as a reflex. . Anyway, this isnt the place for it-- or the place to discuss it. DGG (talk) 04:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mean to suggest it was rape, just that rape would be a better comparison than BDSM bondage in terms of human behaviour. Anyway, thank you for removing the section :) Neitherday (talk) 05:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Mention that it is an open question awaiting an answer from qualified researchers. Jidanni (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no evidence that it's a question at all. Unless you can get some support from a reliable source, it does not belong in the article. DGG (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, just get rid of it.  This is one of the few remaining Sexology Wikis that doesn't look as though it was written by dirty schoolboys.  Try and keep it informative.  Shift the cat rubbish to a page dealing with animal sexuality. Strapping Lass (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bondage in cats

message: Bondage might possibly have connections to phenomena observed in nature, e.g., cat mating:
The male grabs the female by the scruff.
This is done to immobilize her while he mounts and to prevent her from running away as the mating process takes place.
 
Cognate areas of the brain being involved or not will have to await a CAT Scan ☺.
The problem with your reference is that the linked article only talks about the behaviour, but never links it to BDSM bondage in humans. For this text to be included, you would need a reliable source that specifically makes the connection between feline mating behaviour and human BDSM bondage. Remember that "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources]". -Neitherday (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mention that it is an open question awaiting an answer from qualified researchers. Jidanni (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no evidence that it's a question at all. Unless you can get some support from a reliable source, it does not belong in the article. DGG (talk) 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, just get rid of it.  This is one of the few remaining Sexology Wikis that doesn't look as though it was written by dirty schoolboys.  Try and keep it informative.  Shift the cat rubbish to a page dealing with animal sexuality. Strapping Lass (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Bondage in nature?

message: I just realised the picture I added, that I have taken myself, is the only one on the entire page displaying female toplessness. This kind of makes it stand out, but I figure it's OK anyway, as the whole article is about a sexual phenomenon. JIP | Talk 20:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not any more, apparently the classical artists had no problem painting pictures of topless women in bondage. My picture still remains the only photograph displaying female toplessness though. JIP | Talk 20:19, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: You guys are forgetting this is an encyclopedia...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.79.69 (talk) 01:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Aww, you're just trying to rob us of a nice excuse to look at tied-up women. =) JIP | Talk 19:47, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many photos 

message: The German article :de:Bondage seems to be much more extensive and detailed than this article. I'm planning on expanding this article according to it, but it requires much work, because of two things:
# This article is already extensive and detailed. It requires attention to spot out which parts need to be added and which are already there. The structures of the English and German articles as quite different.
# German is only my fourth best known language, after my native Finnish, English, and Swedish. JIP | Talk 19:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding the article based on the German article 

message: I recently added this, based on the German article :de:Bondage:
:In 1995, psychologists Kurt Ernulf and Sune Innala from Sweden published an analysis based on answers from members of the bondage-oriented Usenet group alt.sex.bondage. Most of the answers (76%) were from men. In 71% of the answers the active (restraining) role in bondage was played by heterosexual men, in 11% by heterosexual women and in 12% by homosexual men. 29% of the heterosexual men, 89% of the heterosexual women and 88% of the homosexual men played the passive (restrained) role.
How come 12% of the homosexual men were in the active role and 88% of the homosexual men were in the passive role? A homosexual man's partner is also a homosexual man. Therefore shouldn't the division between active and passive roles among homosexual men be exactly 50%-50%? Same goes for lesbian women as well, even though it isn't mentioned. But this comes straight from the German article, and I haven't read the original source, much less the answers it was based on. JIP | Talk 19:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bondage statistics 

message: While some may view bondage as part of their BDSM, it is inherently not a part of BDSM. A sad misconception is that bondage and BDSM mean the same thing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.82.155 (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what would you suggest instead? Bondage by itself won't do, it is widely used with no connection of tying anyone up at all. This article was previously located at Bondage (sexual) but it was later moved back to Bondage (BDSM). I for one think the current title is fine. JIP | Talk 18:32, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

text: I could go with "Bondage (sexual)". I don't think "Bondage (aesthetic)" is a good idea, because this article is also about bondage as a medium for sex and/or BDSM, not only for its own sake. Also, "Interpersonal bondage" is an even worse idea, because (1) this article covers self-bondage too, and (2) it doesn't convey any idea that this is about tying people up for pleasure (be it either visual or sexual), not simply because you have to (as, for example, in law enforcement). JIP | Talk 18:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion to remove (BDSM) from the title 

message: Can anybody say: holy crap too many pictures ya pervs.? Knock it down to two or three. You know, like the rest of the entirety of Wikipedia. 
RogrMexico (talk) 00:23, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the German article. There are 27 pictures there but only 17 here. Keep in mind I counted every picture, whether depicting bound women, bound men, or simply bondage instruments alone. JIP | Talk 18:39, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Was there a direct topic on kinks. Or the types of kinks. Cornstalks (talk) 05:59, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a short article on kink (sexuality). - Polly Tunnel (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinks 

message: I have tagged :Metal bondage to be merged here . It has only a single dubious source and has hardly any more content than the relevant section here. I would propose that the article contents are copied over here leaving an appropriate redirect behind.  Velella  Velella Talk   12:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge Metal bondage here

message: Many of the photos on this page are amateur, and either have no metadata that tells where the image came from or have metadata confirming that the image subject and sharer are not the same person. As someone uncomfortable with the idea of people's images being uploaded to the internet without their consent, particularly when those images are essentially smut, I worry about the ethics of the images of this page. 
I guarantee that there are enough images of bondage taken professionally, share a subject and author, or are otherwise known to not be taken and shared without the consent of their subject. Bondage is no small subject. 
Should the dubiously sourced images be removed and replaced, just removed, or otherwise? Is there some policy in Wikimedia commons that I'm not aware of? 
TL; DR --- how do we know if the people in these pictures consented to these photos being taken and distributed? Marion Truman, local clown (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images and their sources