Talk:Steller sea lion

message: Is it Steller's sea lion or Steller's Sea Lion? The article location / intro. sentence / infobox contradict eachother.--Commander Keane 04:42, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to read the extended and somewhat testy arguments about the subject here. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 07:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see also United Nations Website: Steller's, WWF Website: Steller's, BBC Website: Steller's, IUCN Red List Website - Both name used here regarding the species. & if I'm not mistaken, the original page was Steller's Sea Lion created by User Graham on 3 July 2002. The reason I put ' is to match the species name's on title and content. --Stavenn 00:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Your moving the page was well meant too. But, since nothing is wrong with original page' name, the references given for Steller all are U.S.-based references (not International), the species is not exclusively-American/U.S. endemic and original retained priority (I think), should it moved back ? though both names are fine with me. Also, pay attention of double-redirect when moved any page(s). --Stavenn 02:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page title

message: Page title moved to "Steller sea lion" from "Steller's sea lion" to bring page in line with the commonly used and widely accepted (2007) English nomenclature for E. jubatus.  I'm not touching the capitalization, although Wikipedia seems to have a strange idea about that too.  See other references and commentary on this page for more info.  Other examples include: (a) http://stellersealions.noaa.gov, the official page for Steller sea lion information by the US management agency, (b) any number of notices published in the US Federal Register, (c) many dozens of papers (one online source for some papers is http://research.alaskasealife.org).   Yep, for birds it's Steller's.  Links seem to be working OK, let me know if I broke anything.  Nowreally 00:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page title, again 

message: An anon removed a section of material on research on Stellers going on at the Marine Mammal Center, which Sabine's Sunbird restored.  I reverted the restoration. The section sounds as if the Marine Mammal Center are a center of Steller research, which is not remotely the case.  There are a great many labs which work on Stellers, such as the National Marine Mammal Lab (NMML) in the US, Russian and Japanese groups, as well as groups at research universities.  The citation was not especially an important (to my eye, at least) work on Stellers, and does not exmplify current trends in research.  Thoughts? --TeaDrinker 21:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marine Mammal Center 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Northern Fur Seal which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RM bot 02:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose. Steller sea lion is the most common name in not only the "popular media", but also in scholarly works. A google scholar search for "Steller's sea lion" gives 3,870 results, compared to 350 for "Steller's sea lion". Jenks24 (talk) 09:35, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: If we must stick with the name Steller sea lion to comply with a semi-literate scientific community, then we should add 'also known as Steller's ..'. In fact, I will do this shortly.
A quick internet search has shown that wikipedia uses the apostrophe for: Steller's sea eagle/sea cow/eider/jay; Pallas's cat/sea eagle/sandgrouse/warbler; Darwin's fox/bark spider; and Père David's Deer.
Grammatically correct english would use the apostrophe and the s. Omitting them is somewhat akin to using Wallrus or "Fir seal": it is just wrong; as wrong as me saying that a dolphin is a type of shark. [Mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians, ultimately, all evolved from a fish - but not a shark - so cladistically, aren't we all "fish"?]
From personal observation, having studied 100's of school books dating from my parents' and grandparent's times, correct grammar seemed to be important in all subjects; whereas in the 80's, my science, history and geography teachers were more concerned with the subject they taught and generally left grammar to their colleagues in the english department. As for my sons's teachers, I'm sure one believes that grammar was his late father's mum!
NowReally suggested using the scientific name, but this is not without problems. The brontosaurus, so beloved by generations of schoolchildren, is now known as apatosaurus: apparently, due to the size difference in the original (partial) skeletons they were thought to be different species; later someone realised that the apatosaurus skeleton merely represented a younger, and smaller, animal; as apatosaurus was described first, its name took precedence (a rule not always followed). As more, and more complete, fossils have been found, other name changes have occurred.
Even with living animals, their have been significant changes - the lion was originally Felis leo; more recently, some lemur subspecies have been promoted to full species, the family dog has been relegated to a subspecies of the grey wolf and several former members of the civet family have been promoted to new families.
Recent research indicates that the Caspian Seal, Pusa caspica, is closer to the Gray Seal, Halichoerus grypus, than it is to the other Pusa species; and the Brown Fur Seal, Arctocephalus pusillus, appears to be a more distant relative of the other Fur Seals than the New Zealand Sealion, Phocarctos hookeri. If other research supports this, then at least two species are likely to change genus. And as more research is done, 
Slightly off point, but saying, for example, "The Steller's sea lion is threatened with extinction." just sounds wrong; I think cutting out the 'the' makes it so much better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glevum (talk • contribs) 20:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: What's in a name

message: So many of the links at the bottom of this page are bad, it's hard to know where to begin.  Someone who's an expert on Stellar Sea Lions should redo these links. Wearman 03:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad links