Talk:April 9 tragedy

message: I don't know anything about this event, but the wording in the opening paragraph seems a bit strong, so I'm wondering whether there's a POV problem here. - dcljr (talk) 03:48, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As mentioned above, this article needs a little tweaking POV wise, the over use of the term "massacare" and "THE killings" suggests a slightly anti-Soviet skew, plus there is no section on the Russia side of things. Also the sentence structure needs work, the english is not of any great quality in places and the sentences don't really flow in certain areas. SGGH 20:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly my point, one particular instance that seems iffy is the image caption that reads "....the massacare" and that sounds POV to me, and the heading: "THE Killings" also seems a tad POV, but if this article had a section on events from a Soviet point of view as well possibly these other POV issues would be less of a problem. It's just that with only the one side of the story being told, other POV are highlighted. SGGH 07:49, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I have changed the heading mentioned above, and tagged a couple of places that need citing. There is no Soviet perspective, for instance "soldiers began attacking the demonstrators"... what, just like that? Why and how? More information from the Russian side is needed to balance the article out. Also, of course, external links are not references, so some of those are needed also SGGH 07:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi. I am just reading about April 9 Tragedy in Rossens book and also compiled many sources. Please give me time to insert them. There are far more info about the topic. Euskera 20:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: copy edit and pov

message: The title "April 9 tragedy" is both vague and POV.  Should the article be moved so that it has a more specific, and neutral, title?  --Bowlhover (talk) 04:32, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It should; I usually remove "tragedy" and "tragic" on sight. As best I can tell, "Day of National Unity" is the only other usable term. Deltabeignet (talk) 20:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Day of National Unity is teh day of remembrance. It is not a suitable title for the article about the historical event. The mainstream media and scholarly sources refer to it as "April tragedy", "Tbilisi killings", "Tbilisi massacre", etc. "April 9 tragedy" is NPOV, imo.--KoberTalk 21:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Sobchak made serious unsubstantiated claims but he did not prove any of his claims.DonaldDuck (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not up to you to criticize Sobchak. If you find Rodionov and his butchers more credible sources, that's actually your problem. Again, you are not the right person to decide whether Sobchak was correct or wrong. And please stop vandalising the article. My uncle was chased by bloodthirsty soldiers for an hour through the streets in downtown Tbilisi and now you dare to claim that Sobchak was wrong and the Georgian teenagers attacked tanks and armed soldiers?--93.177.151.101 (talk) 12:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Soldiers were unarmed, they had no bullets, while Georgian thugs were armed with stones, clubs and metal rods. In fact what I am writing is partly based on the [ report] of the Sobchak investigation team.DonaldDuck (talk) 12:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: (Personal attack removed) DonaldDuck (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Sobchak's report indicates that all deaths resulted from asphyxiation due to compression of chest - they were crushed by the mob.DonaldDuck (talk) 05:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to Sobchak's report there were 21 injuries by metal shovels but not a single death.DonaldDuck (talk) 05:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: While I'm not going to engage in a NPOV debate just now (although I can't fail to notice that the English and the Russian articles are completely different and there might indeed be a POV problem with BOTH), I do think that "April 9 tragedy" is too harsh a term for the article namespace. Please provide sources that historians or mainstream media referencing those events indeed use the terms "massacre" or "tragedy". Should such sources not exist, I propose a move to something like "9 April 1989 Tbilisi events". Vargher (talk) 23:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can't argue with solid empirical data. Sources definitely satisfactorily. Consider my proposal scrapped. There seem to be heavy POV issues on RuWiki indeed... Vargher (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It comes to no surprise to me. --KoberTalk 05:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I took the liberty to add the alternative names for the event referring to Kober's sources above. In the meantime, shouldn't there also be an infobox? Tuscumbia (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't want to argue with your findings, I would just like to point out that it may not necessarily be ru.wikipedia's fault. Since Wikipedia's policy is to follow most common usage in the language of the Wikipedia, if a certain POV is very prevalent in a society's discourse, Wikipedia may be forced to adopt that POV in the title for the article. Consider the Armenian Genocide. It is not called that way on the Turkish Wikipedia, instead they use Ermeni Kırımı, which is probably the most used designation in Turkish, so Turkish wikipedia doesn't have much of a choice. At least, that's how I understand Wikipedia policy. sephia karta | di mi 21:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title 

message: In the opening paragraph it says "resulting in 20 deaths".  In Section 2.1 paragraph 3 it says "The stampede following the attack resulted in the death of 19 people, among them 17 women."  In paragraph 7, "Georgian TV showed the bodies of the 19 women violently killed" and "The Soviet government blamed the demonstrators for the death of the 20 people"
I thought that maybe it was saying that the stampede resulted in the death of 19 people, among them 17 women and therefore 2 males.  However, if the total number is 20 and 19 of them are women, then what happened to the other male that died in the stampede?  Or was it 17 women and 2 girls?  Sambowlby (talk) 06:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many deaths? How many were women? 

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message: Can the algorithm be adjusted to change the photo in the page preview, it currently displays the one associated with the History of Georgia, of which this article is a part, but the image isn't appropriate for this specific article.
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