Talk:Texas A&M University/Archive 5

message: All previous talk pages have been archived. — BQZip01 — talk 02:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archived

message: Please refrain rom any major changes to this article unless they are minor (technical, grammar, etc) or are IAW the FA review. — BQZip01 — talk 02:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hold off on changes

message: It's a minor issue but I noticed that the history section (1900-1950) jumps to using "Aggies" to describe A&M graduates/students, and "Aggies" is only previously mentioned in the info box.  Perhaps the first sentence in this section should say:
"Texas A&M students and graduates (Aggies) were asked to put their education and military training to the test during World War I." 
This would introduce the nickname and also emphasize that both students and graduates made the sacrifice, a fact that is mentioned later in the article in the alumni section. In the current lead-in it seems to imply only graduates were involved. --Claygate 03:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree: I'll admit this is a valid point, but I think the implication that current students and graduates are Aggies is pretty self-explanatory. The only difference is when you get to former students that did not graduate, but that issue is clarified later in the article. I think it is too much of a sidetrack and would detract from the issues in this section. In short, I think we should leave it the way it is. — BQZip01 — talk 04:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The main point is that someone reading the article without any fore-knowledge of the term "Aggies" (especially someone from overseas), may be confused.  Perhaps a short definition in the intro section is in order? --Claygate 12:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My 2cents being from "overseas" reading the name didnt throw me I just accepted that as nickname but I agree that it should be mentioned, maybe even in the lead before its used. Even if the detail behind the name doesnt get covered until later in the article. Gnangarra 12:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, sounds fine to me. — BQZip01 — talk 19:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --Claygate 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History (1900-1950) 

message: ===History Section===
*We may need to change the section headings.  How about the following:
**Establishment
**World Wars
**Expansion
Karanacs 13:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think those that are there now (not 1870-1900, etc) are fine. We can tweak this later. — BQZip01 — talk 18:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should change the third subheading to a word that is descriptive of the major facelift the university underwent - the university status, the enrollment hike, the grants, AAU recognition, etc. BlueAg09 (Talk) 07:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA Review Comments

message: *We may need to change the section headings.  How about the following:
**Establishment
**World Wars
**Expansion
Karanacs 13:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think those that are there now (not 1870-1900, etc) are fine. We can tweak this later. — BQZip01 — talk 18:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should change the third subheading to a word that is descriptive of the major facelift the university underwent - the university status, the enrollment hike, the grants, AAU recognition, etc. BlueAg09 (Talk) 07:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section

message: *I think the O&M picture has to go, beautiful as it is.  Instead, for this section can we include a picture of the Medal of Honor, as suggested in the review? Karanacs 13:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable People

message: Maybe we could remove the Texas A&M system template, and just place a link to the system on the Texas A&M template.  Maybe just mention the branch campuses.  We can also add a disambiguation to the top for the Texas A&M System.  could save a lot of space.  we might be able to reduce the big 12 template to maybe a link, it being a athletics conference.  Thoughts? Oldag07 01:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is really big, but I think it belongs in this article more than any others because it applies directly to TAMU in College Station and not so much the other branches of the system. Karanacs 14:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Totally misunderstood what you were asking for at first.  I'm going to stay neutral here.  I don't like templates like this in general, so I'm biased.  Karanacs 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Category:Texas A&M University System
????? could be in striking range of 75 kb.  Oldag07 15:24, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I doubt there is one; I looked through all the university featured articles, and none of them consolidate the templates on the bottom of the article. I also looked through the "See also" section in Template:WikiProjectBanners and didn't get any luck there either. Perhaps we can create such a template? BlueAg09 (Talk) 20:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out my sandbox—we are able to use the same template coding in this case. We'll have to tweak some things, like the text on top. BlueAg09 (Talk) 20:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that looks pretty good (although we would have to tweak the text).  Can you tell if that actually affects the size of the page and the potential loading speed?  Karanacs 20:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template i made above isn't even necessary for this page.  it mostly is internal links for this page.  it would work with all the others.  I do like the template blueag09 made though.  we should decide by tonight. get FA status, then do fancy stuff.  Oldag07 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the template takes up another 39 bytes of space. When I took out the template it's 169 bytes, but with it, it's 208 bytes. So maybe we're better off without it. BlueAg09 (Talk) 23:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for trying, anyway. Karanacs 01:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing a Template

message: Oldag07, good edits on the gratuitous prepositional phrases (some written by yours truly!) — BQZip01 — talk 03:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a one hour critical writing class was my only B last semester.  I almost had a 4.0.  a far better gpa then what i had for the rest of my college experience.  Glad i learned something.  Boy do I HATE CPR.. . .. .  Oldag07 03:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a minute. CPR was part of critical writing?!?! Boy did I get jipped! — BQZip01 — talk 04:08, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  CPR is aka Calibrated Peer Review. we write our papers, submit them online, then we have to grade, though the computer other students in the class.  if our grade deviates from our other classmates, then you do not get points.  you also have to grade 3 sample essays, and that that about right too.  learned some good editing skills.  it was very tedious though Oldag07 04:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: This is what i used.  might help for future pages.  http://www.klariti.com/technical-writing/Deadwood%20Phrases.shtml Oldag07 14:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Let's not go crazy on the edits.  I think the article is pretty sound right now.  Overall, the minor edits today have been good, but I've found several instances where we've combined two sentences and left mismatched verb tenses or extra words that don't make sense.  Also, in several cases the consolidated version left us with multiple sentences starting with the same word or phrase.  Sometimes the extra verbiage is okay because it helps the paragraph or section flow better or because it provides a slightly more precise meaning.  Let's be aware of those issues, and, since we are in the middle of an FA review, not get too edit-happy (something I know I need to work on too). Karanacs 01:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   Guilty (See below)Oldag07 15:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Good edits

message: We might be able to trim off a little by taking out the hidden comments. There is one in the Athletics section and is (was?) one about popular culture, too. --Wordbuilder 19:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a problem with removing those.  Now that we don't have a pop culture section, I think we can take out the few lines that are hidden in Notable people, and the athletics one can probably go too.  BQ or BlueAg -- I'm not sure which of you added those;  is it okay with you if we remove them? Karanacs 19:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was BQ. I'm thinking of moving those comments to one of his subpages (perhaps User:BQZip01/TAMU) so we can lose some space. That way, when he needs to refer to them, he can go there. Is that okay with you, BQ? BlueAg09 (Talk) 00:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The comments I added shouldn't take up much space. They aren't for me, they are for future edits. If it is something like "This is temporary..." yeah, delete it. — BQZip01 — talk 02:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The one comment I deleted in the Athletics section (and re-added) shows to be 404 bytes. --Wordbuilder 13:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hidden comments

message: Being a little over enthusatic about removing "be" verbs.  Hopefully most of the changes are decent.  I guess I am a little tired.  Oldag07 03:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 186 edits is a lot for 3 days.  You did a good job -- thanks for your hard work :) Karanacs 13:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry

message: We are at 84 KB now. If we were to write each of the references by hand instead of using the citation templates for guidance, I calculated that we can get down to the mid 70 KB's range. This will be a tedious job, however, and would be better if we split the 159 references up. BlueAg09 (Talk) 09:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can always cut out the corps and the band.  who needs them anyways  :-)Oldag07 14:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thems fightin wurds...  :-)  — BQZip01 — talk 16:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I vote against. This is an internal problem in Wikipedia, not a problem with the article. I certainly have no problem continuing to improve the article after we get FA status, but I say we wait until after that. — BQZip01 — talk 04:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation templates

message: I'm going to go ahead and remove the superscripts on the ordinals (60th, 22nd, etc.) The use of the superscript in ordinals is unconventional and many style guides have a rule against it. See Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Superscript_.22th.22 for more detail. BlueAg09 (Talk) 09:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: coolOldag07 10:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto. Good catch! — BQZip01 — talk 16:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Superscript removal

message: I remember reading in the FA guidelines: "Don't repeat the title of the article unless necessary."  We seem to use the phrase "Texas A&M" a lot.  we could save space just using the term "A&M".   As for "corps of cadets"  2/3's of the times the phrase is used, "corps" could suffice.  I think I can change "corps of cadets", changing the phrase Texas A&M requires in my view a second opinion.  Oldag07 10:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind changing Corps of Cadets to Corps, but I don't really like changing all of the "Texas A&M" to "A&M."  Both are really the name of the school, A&M is just our lazy way of saying it.  I'd rather be more formal here and use "Texas A&M," but I'm also not advocating replacing any instances where we didn't already do that.Karanacs 13:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  How about "Texas A&M" in the more "formal" sections, and "A&M" in sections like traditions and student life.  Regardless, the phrase "Texas A&M University" should be limited as shown in the FA guidelines.Oldag07 13:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with last post, but be careful about using just "Corps." It should be capitalized and "the Corps" should be referenced somewhere (it's already in the Corps section, but if you use it before, make sure you show where it comes from): e.g. The Corps of Cadets, also known as the "Corps," is one of the oldest... — BQZip01 — talk 16:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Kept the Corps of cadets in formal sections, and the words corps or cadets in the "informal sections"Oldag07 17:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

text: OldAg, I agree completely with your proposal.  "Texas A&M" for formal sections, "A&M" for ones dealing more with students.  Karanacs 16:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  done.  although i considered sports unformal.  or should i revert those too.  Oldag07 18:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would say sports is more formal, especially considering there are other "Aggies" out there and other "A&M"'s. — BQZip01 — talk 04:15, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Using the phrases "Texas A&M" and "corps of cadets"

message: I posted this on Gnangarra's user page and got a pretty positive response. Thought I'd share it with you and see if we could incorporate his suggestion at a later time.
:I am hoping to shed some light on your interest in the class system at Texas A&M University. At Texas A&M, your class year is defined by the date you enter the school. Even if you graduate late, early, or not at all, you are still a member of that class. Privileges associated with those classes are given to the entire class and, as such, a bond forms between members of each class. 
A few examples:
:*Only seniors can walk on the grass.
:*Only seniors wear boots in the Corps
:*Tickets to the football games are issued by class: grad students/seniors first, juniors second, etc
:This is ingrained in freshmen from the day they step on school grounds at their new student conferences when they start to be encouraged to show pride in their class as a group.
:This is true many times over for classes in the Corps. Of my 21 buddies, I have been to all but 2 weddings (and I was deployed to the Middle East at the time) and stay in touch with all of them. I graduated in 2002. Medrano graduated in 2001, but joined us after spending 2 years as a non-reg (a nonregulation non-Corps student); originally the class of 1999, by joining the Corps as a fish, he renounced his class and became part of ours. Another one of my buddies, Jeff, never graduated. All of us though are members of the Fightin' Texas Aggie class of 2001.
:I will admit it is nonstandard (in regards to what other schools do), but it keeps students together even if they fall behind, change majors, etc. At class reunions, these students still meet up with the same people and not with strangers they knew for only 1-2 years.
:This is not a hostile note, merely a bit of education about this unique school. In short, to call a group of freshmen at A&M who entered in 2006 "the class of 2010," is entirely accurate. — BQZip01 — talk 23:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the information, not being from the "states" there are somethings especially with the school system that I know very little beyond the media interpretations. The advantages in that is when reviewing unexplained and local terminology stand out. Maybe a supporting article to explain the use of it, how its socially developed etc then you could revert back knowing that its clearly explain. BTW I found the article informative, its a credit yourself and the other editors who put the effort in. Gnangarra 05:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Traditions page needs major updating.  The "class" caste system, and what i am suggesting, painted overalls. Get FA status, secondary articles after that Oldag07 12:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feedback about the Class of 2010

message: More Templates!  
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_World_university_rankings
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_US_university_ranking   Oldag07 13:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The World template is probably small enough we could include, but I think the US one might be way too long and page-consuming.  I'd have to see it first.  Karanacs 17:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas Section for After our Nomination if we get it

message: I noticed that the recent addition to Lowry Mays included an image without a caption. Someone should add a caption or delete the image (is there need for yet another image in this article?). --Claygate 12:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it really necessary to add the mays business school now.  we are under FA review.  besides, why only highlight that school.  I am going to copy paste the article here, and we should discuss it before putting it up Oldag07 13:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for deleting this paragraph.  You are right, it doesn't belong in this article at all. Karanacs 13:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever posted this paragraph up, i can tell that you put a lot of time into it, and we welcome as much input as we can get.  you paragraph simply does not follow the style of the article.  we do have individual college pages.  maybe you can help contribute to those.  I think i am going to link those colleges up on our site.  is that a good compromise? Oldag07 13:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was actually just taken from the lead of the Mays Business School article (I wrote it a few weeks ago).  The individual colleges are already listed and wikilinked in the article and in the Texas A&M template.  I don't think we need to do anything further.  Karanacs 14:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncaptioned Image 

message: thumb|
Mays Business School is the business school at Texas A&M University.  The School educates over 4,800 students in undergraduate, master's and doctoral programs and consistently ranks among the top public business schools.
The Mays Business School was one of the first five schools in the United States to offer a trading center, the Reliant Energy Securities & Commodities Trading Center, which provides students with hands-on training to the tools used by commodities and currency traders.  Students also use the center to manage the Tanner Fund, a $250,000 portfolio created using donated funds.  The School also houses the nation's largest publicly funded real estate research organization, the Real Estate Center, and the Center for Retailing Studies, which was the first retailing center partnered with a business school.
::Thanks for deleting this paragraph.  You are right, it doesn't belong in this article at all. Karanacs 13:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoever posted this paragraph up, i can tell that you put a lot of time into it, and we welcome as much input as we can get.  you paragraph simply does not follow the style of the article.  we do have individual college pages.  maybe you can help contribute to those.  I think i am going to link those colleges up on our site.  is that a good compromise? Oldag07 13:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was actually just taken from the lead of the Mays Business School article (I wrote it a few weeks ago).  The individual colleges are already listed and wikilinked in the article and in the Texas A&M template.  I don't think we need to do anything further.  Karanacs 14:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lowry Mays College of Business

message: Can we change the references to "in America" back to "in the nation?"  I think it's already clear that the school is located in the US, and I like "in the nation better" for a formal tone.  If this is too nit-picky for anyone else to care, ignore me.  Karanacs 14:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: well, most people already know my opinion on this issue because i changed it.  admittedly, "in America" will probably offend people on western hemisphere too.  take a vote?  ill abstain. . .Oldag07 15:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: btw, is general studies a major.  wouldn't it be better to say, 8% of students have not declared a major? Oldag07 15:20, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is a major. I think the latter would be better though. BlueAg09 (Talk) 16:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Done Oldag07 18:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Vote for keeping "in America".  I reread those areas and it sounds fine and isn't too informal.  Doesn't offend others in the Americas as they are used to the short form for USA. --Claygate 17:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I also vote for keeping "in America." It adds stylistic variation. It's accurate. It's simple. If someone from is offended by that, I recommend reading breast. — BQZip01 — talk 15:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wording

message: No one has reviewed us since the 25th.  any suggestions to get more reviews? Oldag07 20:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a minor contributor to the article, I voiced support. Is there any rule saying that major contributors, such as you, cannot vote to support as well? --Wordbuilder 21:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  maybe this silence is a good thing.  no one has objections? I am not going to risk it.  thanks for your help Oldag07 00:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FA status

message: "Again, unless there is a compelling reason to do so, it usually isn't neccessary to footnote the lead. Since every fact in the lead should be expanded and referenced in the body of the article, there isn't really any reason to footnote each fact twice (once in the lead and once in the body). But again, this is minor and not worth holding up support."  (not trying to take credit for someone else's comment, came from our fa comments site.) Oldag07 17:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment on our FA status page

message: I guess we need to discuss the sentence: "The toughness of the football program was showcased in the 2002 television movie The Junction Boys, an account of Coach Paul "Bear" Bryant's first summer as football coach at A&M."  
My opinion:
* That episode in our history (i have watched it) only describes that team, not all a&m teams as a whole.
* Some could say "toughness", some could say obsession that fans have for football or the ruthlessness of Bear Bryant.  Today, if a coach did what the Bear did, the guy would be thrown in jail.  
Maybe a better sentence to replace the one on top would be, 
"The movie, The Junction Boys, dramaticized then A&M Coach Bear Bryant's grulling ten day summer football practice sessions, in Junction, Texas." 
probably could do that a little better.  Thoughts? Oldag07 22:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, and it also sounds out of context in the people section.  I like your version, after slight correction: "The movie, The Junction Boys, dramatized then A&M Coach Bear Bryant's grueling ten-day summer football practice sessions in Junction, Texas." --Claygate 22:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps "... former A&M Coach Bear Bryant's..." since he wasn't coach then (i.e. at the time the movie was made). --Wordbuilder 02:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rewrite - fine, but simplify for the sake of clarity: The ESPN movie, The Junction Boys, dramatized Coach Bear Bryant's grueling ten-day summer football practice sessions in Junction, Texas." — BQZip01 — talk 05:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Good job on the rewrite.  The new sentence sounds much better :) Karanacs 13:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Junction Boys

message: I rewrote the muster paragraph trying to emphasize the essence of the tradition rather than its history.  
Aggie Muster officially begun on April 21, 1922 as a day for remembrance of fellow Aggies.  The March 1923 Texas Aggie urged, "If there is an A&M man in one-hundred miles of you, you are expected to get together, eat a little, and live over the days you spent at the A&M College of Texas."  Modern muster ceremonies today occur in approximately 320 locations globally including Kabul, Afghanistan, and Baghdad, Iraq. The largest muster ceremony occurs in Reed Arena on the Texas A&M campus.  The "Roll Call for the Absent" commemorates all Aggies that died since the last Muster Roll Call. As names are called, a family member or friend answer "Here" and a candle is lit.   Some non-campus muster ceremonies do not have the pageantry of the campus ceremony, and may consist simply of a barbecue.
:not too sure about the references.  you can pretty much find it all on the association site. Should we change it?  Oldag07 16:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have some good points, but let's not rock the boat until after the FA review. (BTW, noncampus is either one word or is hyphenated; non isn't a word by itself...except in France...). — BQZip01 — talk 17:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OldAg, would you mind putting your new paragraph as the lead in the Aggie Muster article?  I think what you've written would be perfect there -- it's much better than the old lead. Karanacs 18:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done with slight changes.  We need to mention at least in a sentence on the main page that muster is carried out worldwide.  but, either change it now, or wait until we get FA status.  i am kind of anxious because we haven't been reviewed for a while.  do make sure i did  the references correctly.Oldag07 22:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Missed this round of FA promotions :-( Oldag07 16:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Muster

message: The only other complaint that I have seen by the FA reviewers that we have not addressed is the fact that we have too many templates.  most we have to have. but we can reduce to eliminate some of ours.
Template:Mapit-US-hoodscale- Do we really need to know where Texas A&M is on the map.  we have a paragraph about the location of the school
Template:Geolinks-US-hoodscale- same  I guess if other schools are doing this, we should do the same :-(
Template:Texas A&M University- The only template we have complete control of.  if keeping it is holding up our FA status, then we should remove it.  however, reducing it is probably more practical.  we can make separate templates for the traditions, sports, colleges etc, within pages of these individual categories.  
  
Template:See also- is this necessary?
Oldag07 22:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Category:Texas A&M University System
Want me to make more?Oldag07 23:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

text: This looks good. However, I don't think student life should be on there since it's already on the main article.BlueAg09 (Talk) 00:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Does changing the template actually make a measurable difference in the size or loading speed of the article?  If not, I don't think we need to make a change.  I thought the templates the reviewers were complaining about were the citation templates, and I don't particularly want to remove those.  Karanacs 01:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I interpreted her comment that we had 5 different templates at the bottom making the page look ugly.  maybe  we can have them in default closed? i am going to look into that.
btw, on the main template, we have student life linked that way.  maybe we can have a list for A&M organizations.  then we can link it there?  as for academics, I know we can do the college thingy, not too sure about the second part. Oldag07 02:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

text:  I changed three templates to a collapsed state.  not sure if if someone will revert it.  i do feel that college pages in general have too many templates in the bottom and the collapsed state would  be better.  been trying to make the templates collapsed  only for our page.  but after banging my head on this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Navbox_generic for a while, i quit.   could any of your more computer programmer types  help me out with it?  and if we could convert our texas A&M template to a collapsed state that might be better.  thanks Oldag07 04:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that does look much better on the page with those other 3 collapsed :)  Karanacs 02:32, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Changed the a&m template into a collapsible type.  made it easy to set it either initially in a collapsed state, or in an open state.  opinions on with one you want?  Oldag07 19:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just keep it open. It looks fine that way. (no sexual innuendo there...) — BQZip01 — talk 20:30, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing Templates 2

message: For the article to maintain its GA status, the copyrighted images need detailed fair use rationales. Look to other passed GA/FAs for examples. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions. --Nehrams2020 07:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering this page passed GA status only a few weeks ago, I believe all of our images are up to date, much more so than other GA/FA articles. If we are missing one, please tell us which one. — BQZip01 — talk 07:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From BQZip01's talk page::Image:Texas AMU logo.png doesn't have a fair use rationale. I was actually impressed with the FUR for the first image. I left similar GA comments at almost all of the passed educational institutions for lack of FURs. The article looks really good, I don't know how this FUR was missed. --Nehrams2020 07:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this sufficient? I think at one time the comments were in the text. With all of the edits, I think it got erased somewhere; not sure when. — BQZip01 — talk 07:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, make sure any other copyrighted images added to the article also have detailed fair use rationales. --Nehrams2020 08:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  — BQZip01 — talk 09:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

message: "Main Campus .. includes many of the academic buildings, the Memorial Student Center, Kyle Field, and the student dormitories.[62] West Campus, . . . includes most of the sports facilities, the business school, agricultural programs, the veterinary college, the George Bush Presidential Library and the medical school. Research Park, the area of West Campus along Kimbrough Boulevard, includes many research facilities.[63]"
The west campus description is much larger then the main campus section.  could elaborate in the future. Oldag07 15:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Campus