Talk:Damon Hill

message: Although it's a book focused mostly on the Benetton efforts in the 1993 season (I think, I'll check tonight), it does have a considerable amount of the rivalry between Hill and Schumacher during that season and has a pretty large bit about the memorable race they had in Spa Francorchamps in that season, so I'll try and cover that season, reference wise... --Skully Collins 13:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I've put a couple in for 1998. It's not perfect, but I think it will do for now, we're not shooting for FA quality just yet! 4u1e 18:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've ref'd the www.formula1.com 'hall of fame' article on Damon, which covers much of this, although still not the individual season details. It also contains some interesting additional info on Damon's early life, which it would be worth bringing into the article at some point. 4u1e 06:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing

message: A little Off Subject - I was directed to a page displaying the Hammer and Cycle after clicking on the (more ) button, with the statement Wikipedia is communism. An obvious vandalism. I found it very difficult to report said actio. I went thru the bug search, file a bug, etc.
There needs to be a REPORT VANDALISM button to click on. It is way too tedious to wade thru page after page of stuff to do so. I lost count after 10 pages.
Is There a one stop and shop action one can do?
:Quickest thing is to correct it yourself, although I appreciate it's not always easy to do! 4u1e 06:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow - you're right, it is hard to report it. On the front page, I wouldn't worry abou it. Someone will pick it up and correct it pretty quickly! 4u1e 06:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this is the one thing I was worried about when Hill made the main page...knowing that vandals prefer the "Article of the Day" to vandalise. --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 07:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, this is the problem with getting on the front page - it becomes a "come and get me" plea for people to vandalise! Still, it's only for today... and the article will always have the prestige of having been there (and having beaten Schumi there ;-) )! Seb Patrick 11:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your right Seb. But I'd like to see Wikipedia Semi-Protecthe "Article of the Day". It really saddens me that so many English speaking Wikipedians wish to vandalise one of the Idols of British motorpsort. --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 13:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point, actually. I'm guessing the issue has been debated, but it seems strange that they wouldn't semi-protect the articles, at least for the day that they're on the front. Sure, you're going to get a handful of good-faith edits from anons, but for the sake of one day, surely it's better to avoid the vandalism... Seb Patrick 14:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure enough, it has been debated, and there are reasons for it. I can sort of understand - it's still irritating, though. Seb Patrick 14:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I've just removed the recently added sentence 'Damon Hill is rumoured to be The Stig' from the article.
If anyone feels really strongly about it, I suppose it could go back in, but I would argue against it on three counts:
* No reference given - and all I can find on Google are various forum discussions about Top Gear.
* Dubious notability - I think just about every UK F1 driver has been 'rumoured to be the Stig'. I found mentions of Mark Blundell,Johnny Herbert, Damon Hill and many others. Damon does not seem to be the most likely candidate according to the various forums. According to the Stig article on Wikipedia, there probably isn't even 'a Stig' any more, with the role being taken by various people as occasion demands.
* Even if referenced and notable in itself, is it significant compared to Damon's other achievements? Mention of the the Stig is relevant on Perry McCarthy's page, since (despite trying!) he never achieved very much in F1. Even if true, how much relevance would it have here?
I don't think it adds to the article, although I'm always interested to hear contrary views. 4u1e
:I've added part of the interview with Hill on Top Gear where Clarkson makes a joke about him being the Stig...is that okay? --Skully Collins 12:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Weeeelll. I still don't think it should be in there, because of my second two points above, and it's still not actually referenced! :-) Consider whether it's the sort of thing you would expect to see in an encyclopaedia - I'll leave it alone for now and we'll see if a consensus develops. (Nice work on all the references, by the way. I think we could lose the 'No refs' tag at the top of the article, don't you?) 4u1e (Done 4u1e 21:58, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Stig 

message: Need to keep an eye on article length now - I know 32kb isn't a hard limit, but it's a good 'style' guideline. The current version is 41kb. Cheers. 4u1e
:Comparing the article to one of my friend's (Ataricodfish) article on Phil Collins, both are around the same lengh...Scroll bar wise anyway...plus that article has more pictures then this one :-D... --Skully Collins 06:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I Think It's Time To Have This Beauty Peer Reviewed, Yes? --Skully Collins 09:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Length 

message: Do we need to specify "Father Graham and mother Bette"? To a native english speaker this seems redundant, since both names are unambiguous in gender. I suppose this might not be the case for all readers, though. 4u1e 26 June 2006
:Meh, you can get rid of it if you want, I just put it there because some wiki editors can be very piccy, can't they? --Skully Collins 12:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As can some contributors! (Looks guilty) I think given that Graham is reasonably well known and is wikilinked there's little chance of confusion and it does read better without, so I'll change it. 4u1e 20:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father and Mother 

message: * Joshua's ski-ing. Notable enough? I removed this bit last night - broke the flow rather in that para. Cheers. 4u1e 27 June 2006
* Brigitte's career. Notable enough, given that the article is not about her?
:well, the fact of the matter is that the article needs to cover the entire topic...and I thought that meant just a brief mention...I guess it is information overkill as it were...so I guess they can be removed... --Skully Collins 12:23, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should these bits be here? 

message: There's a category at the bottom for the Segrave Trophy, but this isn't mentioned (as far as I can tell) anywhere in the main body of the article. Should it be? TheGrappler 23:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added. Cheerz. --Skully Collins 07:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segrave Trophy 

message: At present we have two descriptions of this incident, one in the 1994 season summary and one under 'Notable battles'. After recent additions, both are now about the same length. They're actually pretty consistent, but there is no need for them both to be full descriptions.
Before I edit one of them down to a one line summary - which do we think should remain the more detailed version?
My inclination is to keep the more detailed version in the 1994 season summary - where it is a key point in the development of Hill's public image - and to edit down the one in 'Notable battles' to about the same length as the other incidents described there. Views? 4u1e 28 July 2006
:Well, I guess your right, but let's not forget that there are people out there who think that Hill was in the wrong (although it was proven it he attempted to avoid the accident!)...so we got to try and watch our steps on the Adelaide incident --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 16:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll also keep it neutral - which I think the original version (in the 94 summary was). The new words (under notable battles) are less so, although there are a couple of details it may be worth transferring up to the 94 bit. 4u1e 19:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not exactly neutral anymore is it? I mean, all we have for Schu is Murray Walker's quote, while we have the BBC "Unsporting Incident" and the Patrick Head quote against him...But to be honest, there is no way we can find anything for Schu...because, not many people actually try and justify what Schumacher did...so maybe we should put a note, saying something along the lines of what I've just said into the article itself... --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 14:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schumacher/Hill collision at Adelaide 

message: Skully, you've added quite a lot of links to the 98 season that already appear further up in the article. Wikipedia:Only_make_links_that_are_relevant_to_the_context suggests that wikilinks should normally only be made at the first appearance of a word, although I personally make an exception for the appearance of words in the lead and in the main article. Are you sure the extras are necessary? 4u1e 02:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: as far as I'm aware...all of those wiki links are for Grand Prix articles, ie "Hockenheim" will go to the "1998 German Grand Prix"... --Skully Collins Review Me! Please? 08:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed a couple of duplicate Arrows and Heinz-Harald Frentzens, which I assume were not intended. Cheers. 4u1e 22:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinks 

message: The article reads: "The son of the late, two time Formula One world champion Graham Hill, he is the only son of a world champion to win the title himself."
However, I seem to remember that Gilles Villeneuve was a world champion, and his son Jacques Villeneuve won the title a few years back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.216.28 (talk • contribs) 
:You remember incorrectly. Gilles never won a world title. Seb Patrick 11:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but those were three grooved tyres in 1998 if I remember correctly. :-). --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 14:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep: In 1998 there were three grooves on the fronts and four on the rears. For 1999, it was changed to four grooves on both. DH85868993 15:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factually acurate? 

message: Someone mentioned on the Michael Schumacher talk page that "The entire article is nothing more than POV, fan-boyism, and complete fabrication of reality, only occcassional punctuated by a factual date or location." Why they've put this in the Michael Schumacher talk page I've no idea. They also seem very vulgar and uninterested in what people have to say in respones, so they might have been messing about. Buc 09:31, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism in the Michael_Schumacher talk page. 

message: Both Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill are "RollerCoaster Tycoon"-cheats.
If you name visitors like either of them, they race hell of a lot faster in the Go-Karts game.
Should this be added to a new "Trivia" section?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.82.249.111 (talk) 01:39:13, August 19, 2007 (UTC) 
:No, Trivia sections should generally be avoided in articles (if the fact is trivial, then it doesn't deserve to be in the article, if it's not trivial then it should be worked into the main body) AlexJ 15:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RollerCoaster Tycoon 

message: Have I missed this but I recall excellent commentary by Damon (and others like Perry M) on Sky's coverage of F1 in 2002(?)? He was not a regular presenter but very welcome. Maybe there's some snippets on YT etc.
Also, what about Damon's Channel 5 television series called Wacky Races, which features races with objects such as armchairs?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/formula_1/391375.stm
81.86.144.210 08:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sky TV

message: Damon Hill was one of the guest drivers at the 'Thunder in the Park' Event at Donington Park in August 2002. He drove one of the two seater Minardi F1 cars, and also played guitar in the group 'The Conrods'. A reference should exist for this appearance. It was a significant event, being one of the few times he has raced a Formula One car to a paying audience following departure from Formula One. --Minotaur500 20:05, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minardi Two Seater 

message: This article suggests that in 1995 Hill had the superior car and that he was critiscised for being unable to beat Schumacher in some races.  You would think that such a subjective view would be supported by a quote from someone with a intimate knowledge of F1 and the Williams car, but it's not.  It would seem then that there is just as much evidence to suggest that Schumacher's car was equally as good, i.e none at all.
But that's not the case. For there is evidence that Schumacher's car became just as capable if not more so, suggesting that his title win was no more remarkable than anyone before him.  The main reason for the ostensible poor performance of the B195 was the switch from V8 to V10 between seasons which required more development.  This came by the time of the Spanish Grand Prix when part of the set for Schumacher's car was borrowed from Herbert's.  How else can this comment by Schumacher after the Spanish Grand Prix be explained?
"...the car went so smoothly today, so perfectly, that I want to pay a big compliment to the
team. Over the last three races there has been a lot of hard work and a lot of long nights. They
deserved this victory now."
I'm going to delete what is a essentially an unsupported jab at Hill's driving ability, despite the fact that with hindsight we know he won the subsequent Championship.
:John Watson declared that the Williams was "the class of the field" after three races that year--MartinUK (talk) 11:18, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995 Superior Car 

message: i know this is nitpicking but why are some races in this section refered by the name of the circuit and some by country name? i suggest changing Japan to Suzuka, Hungary to Hungaroring and Canada to MontrealLoosmark (talk) 19:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nitpicking's what we're here to do! Agree with your suggestions. 4u1e (talk) 07:19, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to see this part converted to a "rivalry with Michael Schumacher" section, similar to what he did with Alain Prost because the bullet points feels "listy" and "non-FA-ish", if you know what I mean. Anybody think this is a good idea? --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 14:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and feel that the section has an inherent point of view. Why are these races in particular notable, especially when they're unreferenced? The more I look at this article, the more I see that this is becoming outdated for a featured article. For example, the general reference to the F1 website isn't enough for modern FAs, the existing in-lines need better formatting, and some sites appear to have reliability questions (ref 1 is a fan site, to name one). I'm considering nominating this for a featured article review, but would rather work with the leading editors here to bring this up to modern FA standards. If you'd like help, I would be happy to point you in the right direction. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Good job converting the Schumacher part. I will say that if I do bring this to FAR, I think it will be delisted if race results aren't individually cited. Part of the problem with the seasons is the description used; one example is 1999. "appeared to lose motivation", "an inglorious crash at Montreal" and "a miserable Grand Prix" either really need references or are considered POV by today's FA standards (the last two). A lot has changed in two years. Oh, and the F1 link at the bottom no longer works. The references need title inside the link and publishing dates. I'll leave a sample edit to show you what I mean. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall we agree to leave the race results issue for a possible future FAR (or maybe an RFC as an intermediate step?). In the meantime there's plenty of other stuff to fix just in the references alone. Thanks for the pointers. 4u1e (talk) 06:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable battles with Michael Schumacher 

message: I see work on the references has begun. More is needed, but the ones that have been done look better. The references aren't all that needs improvement, however. Here are more concerns of mine.
*The lead is oddly balanced. Two short paragraphs, then two longer paragraphs (especially the fourth), then a one-sentence paragraph. Try to aim for more consistency. Four should be enough for the lead anyway.
*Stubby paragraphs can be found in several places. Two can be found in the 1993-1996 section.
*Writing could use a copy-edit to meet modern FA standards. A few examples: Hyphen needed for mid 1990s in the lead. Another in the lead for first ever. In the body, "a race in which his father had never tasted victory", from 1993-1996, seems somewhat unencyclopedic by today's standards.
*A lot of this mentions "domination" or criticisms. In-line citations are badly needed for these. What was considered great prose in 2006 is often considered POV now.
I think it may be best to bring this to FAR and get some input from the wider community, but if you want time to work on the article, let me know and I'll be happy to give it to you. Giants2008 (17-14) 22:10, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm - I don't really disagree with anything you say, so a FAR would serve little purpose in terms of getting a wider view of what the article's problem's are. We could do with people spending more time on it, though. I'm limited by time, not by my ability to spot problems! Tell you what, I'll drop a note at WP:F1 to get some more hands to make work light. If that hasn't effected much improvement by say the 25th (i.e. just over a week) then let's take it to FAR. Fair? 4u1e (talk) 19:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: More than fair. If F1 editors do want to improve this, let me know and I'll help with things like MoS issues and citation formatting. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:01, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy to lend a hand here. I'll start by going through and converting all the references I think are easily reliable to the modern {{cite web etc. forms. AlexJ (talk) 14:40, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is progress going? I still see four cite tags, among other things. Giants2008 (17-14) 19:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We're getting there, I think. Most of the refs are fixed both in terms of format and of reliability. We've still got one (in the 'Helmet' section) that needs a more reliable replacement, so we've not yet converted that one. There are, as you say, still three (as of today, I think) cn tags. Hopefully I can lay those to rest some time today. There's been a general sweep for inappropriately peacock-y language, and the rivalry with Schumacher section is now prose rather than bullets. I think I'd rather take that material and put it back into the main career text though. What do you think? 4u1e (talk) 08:45, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a positive change, especially in terms of providing a compelling narrative. It's now the 26th, but if a couple more days are needed, FAR can wait. There's no deadline, after all. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:53, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do that as well then - it would also remove some repetition. Regarding FAR, as I hope is obvious from the page history, progress is continuous but slow. As is often the case, the more we fix the more I can see that could be improved, however the potential for improvements doesn't necessarily imply that a FAR is required. It would help to focus efforts on the most urgent stuff if you could list what you think are the remaining key points that would require a visit to FAR. Thanks. 4u1e (talk) 08:10, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More concerns 

message: "Hill made several high profile errors in 1995, most notably in Britain and Italy where he collided with Schumacher during attempted overtaking manoeuvres."
i think this sentence is a bit problematic: first it is unsourced, secondly what exactly is a high profile error? thirdly do we even know it was Hill's error in both cases? i'm not so sure about that and at least in Monza 1995 he was NOT attempting an overtaking manoeuvre but rather there was a missunderstading when they both were lapping somebody. and finaly other drivers made lots of worse errors in their careers but their articles don't mention it with such strong wording. Schumi crashing like a rookie after jumping on a curb (a no, no in the wet) Monaco 1996 or Hamilton comicaly beaching himself in the pitline China 2008 comes to mind. 
therefore i suggest rephrasing that into something more neutral like "Hill had two accidents with Schumacher at Britain and Italy. some people blamed him for the accidents" and a source of course. Loosmark (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest, it's only the British GP one that I can remember, hence my re-wording of what was there. Tidying up your suggestion, how about: "Hill and Schumacher collided at the British and Italian Grands Prix. Hill was blamed by some commentators for the first incident (or for both, if that's what sources say)."? 4u1e (talk) 19:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds much better however there is still the need for finding a reliable source which isn't so easy. Loosmark (talk) 19:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This, perhaps? --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 19:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Equally, for the Monza crash,  and . Seems to be that the cause had a lot to do with Taki Inoue living up to his name... I imagine his most high profile mistake of the year would be from the German Grand Prix. Readro (talk) 20:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, Taki...how clould we ever forget him? Anyway, Uni work calls so I'll try and get some more refs, unless others have found them, later on tomorrow evening. :-) --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 20:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  just out of curiosity i went to dig the videos on youtube, 
here is Silverstone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56sZRmNzyO0 
and Monza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6HYE9_k1lk Monza seems really weird either Schumi breaked where he wasn't supposed to or Hill completely forgot to break Loosmark (talk) 20:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

text: As far as I can see, Inoue swerved in the braking zone, causing Hill to miss his braking point. Readro (talk) 20:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "high profile errors" 

message: Why do we have these Main Article: linking to the team articles at the start of each team sub-heading? I'd expect these to be used if there was an article that goes into more detail on the particular subject (e.g. an article on 'Damon Hill at Williams') not to an article on a related subject. The link to Williams can be done through a Wikilink in the opening sentence of the section. AlexJ (talk) 16:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your suggestion works for me Alex - anyone object? 4u1e (talk) 18:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: i support too. Loosmark (talk) 21:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. 4u1e (talk) 09:58, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Article:

message: i don't like the change from "high speed duel" to "disputed second place" for the Canada 1998 race in the last edit because disputed doesn't really tell what happened. Loosmark (talk) 22:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, "high speed duel" would come under WP:NPOV so I guess if you wish for a more descriptive wording for that race in particular then perhaps a wording of ...and enjoyed a "high speed duel", as described by journalist/pundit/etc X. --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 23:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "High-speed duel" is kind of tabloid-y. Neither that nor my more recent version say anything about how the "duel" unfolded. I've done a more detailed version. Views? 4u1e (talk) 06:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO now is much better. Loosmark (talk) 10:26, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. 4u1e (talk) 18:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  1998–1999 Jordan 

message: I expected to see something about Monaco 2010 given that Hill was reported to have received death threats for his part in the Schumacher ruling.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.31.104 (talk) 20:51, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? Nothing on the first page or two of google about it. I suppose we could do a brief (and neutral!) mention of his role in events; it was discussed a little in the specialist press. Anyone got views? 4u1e (talk) 09:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What no Monaco 2010 Information? 

message: Interesting point to add --  'Former world champion Damon Hill has called on Formula One bosses to reconsider going ahead with the plan and warned the sport's image could suffer otherwise.' 
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/04/20124615112157873.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.84.68.252 (talk) 07:43, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damon Hill on Bahrain 

message: Hi,
Damon's William years segment seems long and really tiring . Hence I split them year wise. Hope that should be OK. 
Race27 (talk) 05:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damon Hill William years segment split yearwise 

message: I've made a few changes, firstly removing the first of two mentions of Hill's BTCC appearance, then a deeper rephrasing of the 1993 season section, where his Pole Position in France was repeated and I felt the whole thing didn't quite read right. I haven't checked the whole article so there may be other bits that need doing. Anyway, hope I'm not treading on anyone's toes and that the end result is better than it started. Spiderlounge (talk) 14:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little bit of tinkering 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title:  External links modified (February 2018) 

message: I am a little confused.  Damon lived a few doors down from me when we were children (he is older than me by 2 months). That was in Parkside Mill Hill. The family were there from the early sixties till the early 70s. Two references: The article on his father, plus a photo of his christening in 1961 from the daily mail. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20200822/283089891524521 Joss (talk) 18:40, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life in Mill Hill