Talk:Clearwire

message: The part on the top right of the article should be updated to show Clearwire is now a public company. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.168.180.49  (talk • contribs).
:I updated the article including the infobox you mentioned for the March 8, 2007 IPO. --Brianhe 01:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Public company

message: I'm wondering if we should add a section about advertising and controversy. Based on my experience with Clearwire reps in Seattle (mainly at Pacific Place downtown), I have some serious concerns about Clearwire's marketing. They claim, among other things, that the service is mobile (it's not - the modem is AC-powered), secure (though no one with the company can explain how), and fast (user reports vary quite a bit, as with other broadband services). See numerous comments on my blog entry here. I don't know if this warrants a separate section by Wikipedia standards, but the company is very marketing-heavy, and that marketing hinges on some very tenuous claims. Since Clearwire markets to the less-Internet-savvy, I think it's important to acknowledge these issues. Thoughts? JustinBaeder 05:13, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like original research to me. Brianhe 05:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to agree with Brianhe, Justin, but the class action lawsuit (and related legal action) that has been initiated since you posted includes a complaint concerning exactly the sort of advert/marketing practices you appear to object to.  If you'd like to research that legal action more fully, and introduce any properly cited findings into the Criticism and Legal Action section of the article, that would certainly be a permissable and helpful addition to that (currently) rather terse section. Ohiostandard (talk) 08:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Advertising Claims and Controversy

message: I do not feel that Clearwire's introductory offers fit into the category of tying. By Wikipedia's own definition "Tying is the practice of making the sale of one good (the tying good) to the de facto or de jure customer conditional on the purchase of a second distinctive good (the tied good)." There is no second distinctive good with this intro offer, it is merely an increase in price. I would like thoughts on this subject before I change it.
--Johnncyber 02:20, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linking introductory rates to Tying (Razor and blades business model)

message: Ok, I thought I would open up discussion on why it was tagged as Advert. I do not see how this is an advertisement. I explains the company from a financial prospect and explains the services that the company provides. It does not attempt to sell the reader on anything. Please discuss.
MarkRomero 03:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see the cause for this either.  -- Brianhe 02:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Aside from a very rose-colored view of the company, I see no blatant advertising going on here.  Still, I think it should be balanced with some opposing views.  I've kicked that off with the Criticism section. 216.152.208.1 02:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed  tag since there was no opposition. Brianhe 22:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It reads like an advertisement to me. The Advert tag should be added in my opinion, or at least an NPOV tag. Fatla00 03:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Advert Tag

message: I corrected the misinformation that Craig McCaw was the founder of Clearwire. It was "reverted" without any discussion in Wiki terms, as best I understand it. The idea that Mr. McCaw founded Clearwire is incorrect information, and information that is frequently mistaken in the press. He bought into Clearwire long after the company got its start. For some reason the company continues to promote the idea that Mr. McCaw founded Clearwire. He did not. Clearwire was formed from a spin-off by Dallas investors led by Rusty Rose, former owner of the Texas Rangers. Clearwire operated out of Dallas for at least five years prior to Mr. McCaw's involvement with the company. Does someone have other information showing how Mr. McCaw was involved with Clearwire back then?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.35.174.247 (talk) 00:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I found two confirmations of founding by McCaw in the existing article references.  Added these citations to the appropriate sentence of the article.  If there's some source for the assertion above, please present it. -- Brianhe 02:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

text: No reason to take such a negative tone, 247.  I've only asked for some evidence of what you're saying is true.  A lexis/nexis search would be great.  Or maybe an old newspaper article or anything else.  So far we have two published sources saying he was the founder, and your word that he was not.  Show us how you know what you say you know, that's all.  You might want to review Wikipedia:Reliable sources for guidance. -- Brianhe 22:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

text: You can also try looking through the archives at news.google.com.  There appears to have been a number of Texas based Clearwire entities prior to 2003 (one example). A corporate history section would be a good development for this article. – Zedla 02:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a Dallas Business Journal article on this, created "Company origins" section. Bottom line, it's anyone's opinion whether he founded the current company or not, since there was a forerunner company with a similar but non identical name. Brianhe 04:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Clearwire Corporation was founded by McCaw and is totally different then Clearwire Technologies, as the article states. They are two separate business entites, and this article is about the former, therefore the article is correct in stating that McCaw is the founder of Clearwire CORP. MarkRomero (talk) 18:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McCaw is not the "Founder" of Clearwire

message: In light of lawsuits filed since the "Criticism" section was first created, I've changed the section name to "Criticism and Legal Action". Anyone interested in expanding the section re in-progress lawsuits, btw, might want to use the official Washington State case search site to search for "Clearwire" in the Superior Court section for "King County", although I understand that Clearwire has requested a removal of at least one of the cases to U.S. District (i.e. Federal, rather than State) court. Ohiostandard (talk) 08:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Criticism" section renamed "Criticism and Legal Action"

message: The second paragraph states "On May 7, 2008, Clearwire and Sprint Nextel's wireless broadband unit Xohm announced their intent to merge...". Did they actually merge? Some articles I've come across, like this one: http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=179798 portray some of the companies listed as competitors. The article mentions Comcast and Sprint as moving into the same market as Clearwire, even though they both will be using Clearwire's network. Seems like an odd thing to do if Sprint owns half of Clearwire and Comcast also owns some smaller portion. The citation seems to be an article from before the actual merger (if it happened), and it's now a dead link to Forbes.com. 66.56.15.76 (talk) 02:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Shareholder data

message: I removed the cite template that user Ernestvoice had placed at the top of the article on 7 April 2009. It's my opinion that it was a bit of an overkill for a generally well-documented article that has only two inline "citation needed" tags. If Ernestvoice or any other user disagrees, however, and chooses to restore it, I'll not object. I've informed Ernestvoice of this change on his talk page, btw. Ohiostandard (talk) 09:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Leading "Citations" template

message: Comcast is not only reselling the 4G service in Portland. I am in Philadelphia and they are aggressively advertising it here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.124.117.20 (talk) 07:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comcast

message: Someone has deleted several times clearwire's Terms of Service and End User License Agreement,
Including this Agreement is allowed as is puts out in the open how Clearwire treats people
'Copyright' is NOT a factor as any party to the agreement may post it unless there is a clause in the agreement otherwise
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.76.242.14 (talk) 02:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, I am the editor who is deleting this, as it is a copyright violation to cut and paste the agreement (which is copyrighted, I checked) into Wikipedia.  Also, Wikipedia is not the place to air your grievances with a company - see Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion.  We try and maintain a neutral point of view.  That is not to say criticism is not allowed, just that it must be referenced from a reliable, third party source.  Personal experience or forums are not considered reliable, but articles in established newspapers or magazines would be.  I hope this helps you. SeaphotoTalk 03:08, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

text: The proof is on their website, with the copyright notice at the bottom of each page. I am trying to guide you so that you don't get banned for copyright violations.  The best way to make your point is to find a verifiable, third party source for your assertion. Posting the entire agreement is simply not acceptable.  I urge you to read What is tendentious editing? before you continue along this path, as I think you can make your point without this addition. SeaphotoTalk 04:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Issue resolved then? You could use inline quotes or block quotes from the Agreement to support any relevant claims  instead of copy-pasting the whole text . -- ErnestVoice   (User)  (Talk) 06:07, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Listing "Terms of Service and End User License Agreement"

message: Since Wikipedia has no info on this I thought I'd leave a note. I ran a few network dumps. Wireless works differently than DSL or DOCSYS devices where your connectivity is based on authorization of the hardware device. Samsung, maker of tower base station equipment, has descriptions of 3G and 4G authentication and connectivity. Radio packets, tagged with device ESN, from your phone travel via cell tower to company equipment. ESN gets translated to user than account is accessed to determine if access is valid. If access is valid then translation to POTS number or IP address takes place. Depending on system and provider, this authentication occurs repeatedly. (I abbreviated the process described on their website, the standard is linked at UMTS.) Clearwire servers authenticate access to every IP address accessed by user which can lead to considerable latency. Watching a stream from one IP address (Netflix, Youtube) or Skype/Yahoo (one IP address) Phone works OK but Bittorrent (or web pages linked to multiple IP addresses) can experience delays.
Shjacks45 (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Vonage 

message: This article throws around the "4G" term without really explaining it. What it looks like is that the WiMAX they provide might be IEEE 802.16e-2005? Technically this did not meet the IMT-Advanced requirements so should not be called 4G according to the ITU-T. IEEE 802.16m came out in March 2001 but no idea how far it has been implemented (probably not?) In fact, 4G is supposed to apply to mobile phones, and this service seems more of a computer access service. However, it seems 4G is not trademarked (probably too simple) so anyone can call anything "4G" - it has no technical meaning, just like calling everything "broadband". Their web page says they also offer "CLEAR 3G" service, but that is not described here. These are nits but would benice to be specific. On the other hand, such details as the GigaHertz in the band is put in the lead, which most people probably do not care about either. W Nowicki (talk) 23:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  4G 

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