Talk:Western jackdaw

message: If food is such that it can be easily carried away (e.g. a piece of bread), then jackdaw will take it from pigeons.  This event is easily reproduced in any city where there are both pigeons and jackdaws.  Throw a piece of bread to a pigeon when jackdaws are somewhere nearby (there should not be too many pigeons).  The pigeon will peck the piece of bread on the ground.  Then a jackdaw will come down, take the bread in the mouth and then fly away with it.
When feeding jackdaws, another phenomenon has been observed.  Sometimes a sparrow will carry away the piece of bread that a jackdaw intended to take itself.  The jackdaw would then pursue the sparrow in the air.  On one occasion, the sparrow hid itself under a parked car.  On another occasion, the sparrow let the bread fall (perhaps because the piece was too big for a sparrow), and the jackdaw then took the bread to itself.
Sometimes jackdaws are contemplating taking food from crows, although I never saw them to do it actually.  It seems that jackdaws have no fear of crows. — Monedula 12:34, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Food stealing habits

message: Shouldn't the jackdaw in Angela's Ashes by Frank McCourt be included in the list?  I thought it had very strong symbolism in the book.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.58.136.143 (talk) 05:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: i've seen   jackdaws  out  the  back  eating   nuts   and  seeds out of   a  bird  feeder     by  eiher holding onto    the perch or     opening the lid. --83.70.111.220 (talk) 13:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  seeds  and  nuts 

message: acording to the bbc 50 to 100 jackdaws died mysteriously in Falkoeping parallel to the death of thousands of birds in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12118839
shouldnt this be mentioned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.134.86 (talk) 03:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: MYSTERIOUS DEATHS

message: "Ages and sexes are alike" - I don't understand what this means. The Aging and Sexing pdf linked on the page shows differences between the birds at different ages. Also it's nowhere on the page how long they actually live, does anyone know? --78.27.11.2 (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: ===Jackdaw for July 2011===
Nominated on 18 April 2011;
# Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration nomination 

message: Nominated on 18 April 2011;
# Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jackdaw]] for July 2011

message: Re: :File:Borch CoA.png. This birds in this coat of arms have yellow beaks and do not look like Jackdaws. Has something been lost or gained during language translation? Snowman (talk) 13:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree they look more like Alpine Choughs...something to look into. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed from page while being investigated. Snowman (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: IOC name is Western Jackdaw. Is this controversial? Snowman (talk) 19:03, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. Did we ever change it before and revert I wonder....Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Without a specific name, I guess the Jackdaw page could be mistaken for Daurian Jackdaw. I am also confused about the genus name being different on en Wiki and Commons. - is is Corvus or Coloeus? Snowman (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Most categories on Commons use the IOC "taxonomy", so it probably ought to be changed (though most other languages use Corvus, it appears). Not a big deal really having a different taxonomy on Commons. —innotata 15:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll place a note on the wikiproject discussion page in case anyone has any objections,and if not then move it in a few days. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:30, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has an inconsistency: Coloeus monedula in introduction and Corvus monedula in the taxobox. Snowman (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common name 

message: Hi, I am a master's student doing an elective on Wikipedia, learning its ins and outs. I have been researching articles of interest to nominate for GA status, as my preliminary assessment of the article would indicate that it fits the criteria. I would like your feedback on when/how to nominate this article. Your input would be appreciated.--Ncsjfreed (talk) 21:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Aha, glad to see someone's interested. Yes we're actively working towards GA. I was musing on nominating it soon, but am aware there is alot of literature about its social behaviour that I intended reading and adding before doing this. There are some other bits and pieces so I was making my way thru the peer-reviewed literature above. If you have uni/fulltext/library access we can get through the fulltexts faster with two (or more) of us looking at them. The idea is to make it as complete as possible before nominating, to make teh process easier. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Great, once I have looked at something and then figured out whether we include it or not, I make a note afterwards (see the ticks and crosses above) so I can keep track. I can help with the formatting. I am not sure what your course requires, but another article on the cusp of GA is House Sparrow, if you want an experience of "doing it yourself" so to speak. Either way is cool. If you wanna do that one a few of us can help there too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

text: No no, just go for it and I'll see how you're going. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:27, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help to nominate this article 

message: See BBC. Is there anything more about Jackdaws being noisy when there is a Jackdaw wedding? Snowman (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have never heard of that expression. If it is described somewhere it'd be good to add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: All I could find was that a Jackdaw wedding is several Jackdaws form a flock and just be noisy. Not any trustworthy sources, though. Guyinasuit5517 (talk) 00:21, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (sigh) thanks for looking anyway. oh well.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC radio 4 program anecdotally implied that knowledge has been handed down the generations about Jackdaw weddings in Wales. Jackdaw weddings sound plausible to me considering that Konrad Lorenz's described that one female Jackdaw rocketed up the Jackdaw social ladder in his book King Solomon's Ring after she "married" a high ranking male Jackdaw. The book records that one day she was one of the lowest racked Jackdaw's and the next day, after her "marriage", she was one of the top ranked Jackdaws. It would be good to have more evidence in corroboration, including something form Welsh folklore, before anything is added to the article.. Snowman (talk) 11:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackdaw's wedding 

message: Aside from the citation being missing (Added citation needed), contemporary biological research has indicated there is no such thing as a bird that mates for life. Several species were investigated and it was found, while thought to be monogamous, that they all had offspring from different mates.
I'm afraid I can't access the database from here right now, so I can't provide a direct link to the study. It's been around a while now though.
94.214.196.189 (talk) 13:04, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: fair point - I don't think that came from the collins book. I am trawling through the refs and will see if anything turns up and if not, delete. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:19, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request of revision / removal: "though males and females pair-bond for life and pairs stay together within flocks" 

message: The whole category is hidden in the left bar. There are versions of this article in many other languages and those versions could not be reached from the English article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.206.11.194 (talk) 14:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other language versions 

message: The range map could be improved to show which regions are occupied by which subspecies. Snowman (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that I would like to do that as long as I could find one.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range map 

message: Wasn't there some discussion about, and consensus to, move the article to "Western Jackdaw", or maybe "Eurasian Jackdaw"? Maias (talk) 00:18, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I have a slow connection now so looking is going to be very time consuming, but we did and not sure how complete the consensus was. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

text: Right then, where were we? Aaah here. Right then. Moving.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: Ok, most places still have Corvus monedula, but IOC has listed as Coloeus monedula based on Rasmussen 2005. I'd followed this as reasoning seemed sound. Does anyone have any strong opinions either way? Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:13, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy to change genus to Coloeus for the two jackdaws. Maias (talk) 12:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My preference is to stick with scientific consensus and leave as Corvus......IOC is used for english names and not for classification as has been previously explained to me.....Pvmoutside (talk) 18:44, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We are supposed to reflect usage, not initiate it. I would tend to stick with Corvus for now, but I wouldn't go to the stake for it Jimfbleak -  talk to me? 06:25, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: True, I guess it depends on how notable the study is proposing change. Hence IOC reckons Rasmussen 2005 is pretty notable...anyway, it is still fairly recent in publishing terms, and it is really only a matter of delineation of the genus boundary and whether or not it includes the two early offshoot Jackdaws. So retaining as Corvus is not misleading anyway. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientific name...Coloeus vs Corvus 

message: I am trying to go through all our Jackdaw images to see where they were taken and which subspecies they belong to (to see if we have any others that'd be soemmerringii or cirtensis hopefully). The other issue is which one goes in taxobox. I do have a preference for one of the nominate subspecies if possible (though a super duper pic trumps this). Anyone else have strong opinions? Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: *Is "gregarious" suitable to describe these birds that live in hierarchical social structures? Snowman (talk) 08:59, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flock behaviour 

message: See here Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:00, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folklore check 

message: I noticed that you are currently reworking this article. I recently rewrote the corresponding German article for the writing contest over there. If you need a short review, literature or any other advice or help, just contact me on my talk page.--Toter Alter Mann (talk) 15:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Danke Schon! Aber mein Deutsch ist schrecklisch.....(stops fumbling around in German).....nice work! I like some of the images and have used them :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  German article 

message: Checking Goodwin I cannot find the cited assertion that the bird is the second smallest species of corvid.  I would doubt it anyway – many jays must be smaller.  Could it be that the claim is supposed to be the second smallest species of Corvus? Maias (talk) 05:14, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you are right. That's what I meant when I wrote it.Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparative size query

message: The following passage is either redundant or obscure: small invertebrates ... including larvae and pupae of Curculionidae,[64] Coleoptera (particularly cockchafers of the genus Melolontha),[66] Diptera, and Lepidoptera species. The best interpretation I can make is that this jackdaw eats larvae and pupae of Curculionidae and "fullgrown" beetles of other Coleoptera species. It could also mean that it eats only larvae and pupae of all these insect species. In this case Curculionidae is redundant. Could someone please clarify in the article? --Ettrig (talk) 07:43, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Trimmed it and rejigged. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think it reads beautifully now. Thanks! (I tried to translate to Swedish, but got confused.) --Ettrig (talk) 10:17, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's great hearing it being exported into other languages (and even better when other languages have some good stuff on them we didn't - the German article is also featured and the main editor was very helpful.) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant or obscure? 

message: Annual migration is mentioned with reference to Lorenz, but nowhere else in the article. Presumably, Lorenz made an accurate observation that jackdaws migrated away from his locality in the winter. What is the pale blue area on the range map? Snowman (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: User cntrl-F on the word "wintering" to find the mentions. The blue areas are winter visitor only. Mentioned under subspecies for soemerringii Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:25, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The "| range_map_caption" entry is confusing to me. I have added a bit about the blue zone to the map caption, but I think the map caption could be improved further by explaining what the green area is better. Would it be better to use the word migrate more in the article? Snowman (talk) 09:36, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought the word "wintering" was nice and succinct, but if you can reword it otherwise you are most welcome to have a go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:13, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Re-think: there is a "migratory", which I missed before. Snowman (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Migration 

message: The conventional way of writing the subspecies names would be C. m. soemmerringii, not "subspecies soemmerringii". Any reason why the latter is used here? It is also inconsistent throughout captions, some places the full trinomial is used, sometimes the shorted version, and sometimes the "subspecies X" version. FunkMonk (talk) 10:00, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Making it prose-friendly I guess. Feel free to standardise it any way you want. I am in the middle of a couple of things and will get to it later otherwise. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll go with the "C. m. soemmerringii" style, if it's alright? FunkMonk (talk) 10:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of subspecies 

message: I have a tree outside my bedroom which used to be a roost for Jackdaws.  It has not been used as a roost for several years.  There are several Jackdaw roosts within a couple of miles of where I live.  At dawn, many jackdaws begin to arrive and collect in the tree outside my bedroom before flying off several minutes later.  The birds arrive from several directions (although primarily from a well-established roost), but I cannot tell whether they are from the same roost or not.  I would like to research this behaviour and perhaps add it to this page, but I don't even know what this behaviour is called.  Can anyone help?__DrChrissy (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this collective behaviour? 

message: Here's the thing. You said a "jackdaw is a crow."
Is it in the same family? Yes. No one's arguing that.
As someone who is a scientist who studies crows, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls jackdaws crows. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing.
If you're saying "crow family" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Corvidae, which includes things from nutcrackers to blue jays to ravens.
So your reasoning for calling a jackdaw a crow is because random people "call the black ones crows?" Let's get grackles and blackbirds in there, then, too.
Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A jackdaw is a jackdaw and a member of the crow family. But that's not what you said. You said a jackdaw is a crow, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the crow family crows, which means you'd call blue jays, ravens, and other birds crows, too. Which you said you don't.
It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
:Huh? The article says it's in the crow family, not a corw. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: One is often walking the tightrope between accessibility and accuaracy. My impression was that the family Corvidae was often colloquially called the crow family. Actually it is worth having a discussion on. I will alert the folks at the Birds Wikiproject. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:49, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jackdaws and crows? 

message: Hello! Can you put this audio file into this article? I am not native speaker of English and I don't want to fail the text or anything else. 
Here is the file: Corvus monedula calls.ogg
--Porbóllett (talk) 19:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great! I don't think I have either....will look around after I have done some chores.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:10, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I got it sorted now - thanks for finding that! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:19, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  I found an audio file on Commons 

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message: The agreement on WikiProject Birds (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/References) is that editors should follow the IOC classification unless there is consensus not to.
In 2012 the IOC (Gill and Donsker) moved the western jackdaw from the genus Corvus to the genus Coloeus. They included the note "Assign Western Jackdaw and Daurian Jackdaw from Corvus to Coloeus (Rasmussen & Anderton 2005)". (This is "Birds of South Asia".)  The latest IOC list (IOC 7.3) is here.
The other major world lists (H&M4, Clements, HBW alive) have not made this change (see the large IOC comparison Excel file here and Avibase).
Should we ignore the IOC in this instance and retain the western jackdaw (and the Daurian jackdaw) in Corvus? Aa77zz (talk) 10:57, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Corvus'' or ''Coloeus'' 

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message: I took some photos of Western Jackdaws today. I don't feel confident enough to edit the article but I would like if they were included. I think the pictures of them collecting nesting material and grooming might be interesting. You can see them here: idle jackdaw 1 idle jackdaw 2Collecting materialgrooming
--Bomiman (talk) 09:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  the last two could be good to squeeze in somewhere. Regarding the first two, always good to try and get the whole bird in the photo. The article does have alot of photos in it though, but surely we can do a substitution somewhere....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:21, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Images 

message: If I'm reading the intro correctly, the word jackdaw comes from jack, which means "small", and daw, which means... "jackdaw"? How can its name be derived from its own name? Well, I guess they used to call it 'daw', and then started adding 'jack' to it, maybe? An explanation of where "daw" originally comes from (or a clarification that the origins of the "daw" part are unknown) would be much appreciated. 147.226.220.112 (talk) 07:18, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name origin confusion 

message: I couldn't really spot the adult weight of these birds. Henk Poley (talk) 06:20, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted. Now added. - Aa77zz (talk) 07:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weightless bird? ;) 

message: They were historically kept as pets, although this was probably not a good idea. Maybe some information on this topic should be added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.67.227.181 (talk) 12:47, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pet