Talk:Lobengula

message: I know these can't be added to the article as they haven't been published in a reputable source and so are original research, but I have an old family diary from 1871-1873 written by a relative who was a diamond prospector and later ivory hunter in southern Africa, and he met Lobengula and wrote about him (my edits in squared parentheses):
Friday [June] 7th [1872] Rode all day, passed a hill called taba Induna, a place where Moselikatse once killed I think twenty two Indunas for making his son King in his absence.  The present King [Lobengula] has a good name from all white people.  I don’t know where to ask for hunting veldt.  Philips has not put in an appearance. [Old - crossed out] Philips is a big man and the old man once said to him that he must be very strong.  Moselikatse called up one of his people and said to Philips “now let me see how you can knock that man down.” Oh no said Philips I can’t without reason knock a man down.” So he would not do it though the old man wished it very much.
Saturday [June] 8th [1872] Kisch and I walked on and reached the place where the King is after about three hours walking. He is encamped in the veldt with his people round him.  We got some beer and meat on our arrival.  I like his appearance, very stout but pleasant and intelligent looking.  Very different from Maciñ.  The wagons came up not long after.  I gave him a double barrelled breech loading rifle and asked him for veldt.  He did not give me a definite answer.  What a profusion of food there is here - beef, beer and pap.  Very cold at night.
Sunday [June] 9th [1872] Drank a lot of beer at the King’s, very good, the best I ever drank in the country.  His sister is very kind and is always giving us beer.  A lot of Indunas are here. [?Molumoxaba], [?Kokotwi], [?Masne], [Mketchme Mketchwe] and a lot more.  In the evening the King sent for Kisch and me and asked me where I would like to hunt.  I did not give him a definite answer, I said along the Shangani.  After a bit he asked me if I would like my old veldt down the [?Quai ?Juai].  Of course I said yes, so he gave me all the veldt between the [?Quai ?Juai] and the Shangani, and also permission to go and see the Falls.  I was very much pleased.  It is the only country I know and it has been shut to white men for two years.  The Boers have been paying salted horses for hunting, so I got off easily, but the King was much pleased with the gun and Kisch used his influence for me.
Monday [June] 10th [1872] After bidding good bye to the King we started home again.  He left at the same time to go to another town.  What a contrast these people are to the Bechuanas, manly fine looking fellows and well fed.  They pay wonderful respect to the King, always stoop when they approach him and speak in the most submissive manner.  He is very courteous in his manner, not like that pig Maciñ.
So Lobengula did have some contact with Westerners in the early years of his reign ... Jasper33 (talk) 14:45, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
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message: This article lacks a lot of citations and has a general level of bias.  Especially the "rule" section.    (apologies if I'm doing this wrong - my first wikipedia edit.) Minesrugger (talk) 20:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
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message: Nyamanda(royal son born in 1st Bulawayo,1873 and died 1929 at Ensuza,buried at Mathabiswana Area.Unveiled to Ndebele Chiefs by Mlugulu Khumalo who was King Lobengula's confidante on 3 March 1896 following King Lobengula's instructions.Installed as King and successor to King Lobengula on 25June 1896 by Council of Chiefs that included Chiefs Dliso Mathema of Enqameni, Sikhombo Mguni and Babiyana Masuku.
Mother: Queen Mbhida kaLodada Mkwananzi.Umdlunkulu =Queen Mother
Wives:10 Nguni wives.Queen Mangongo Nxumalo only one from Royal lieage of King Zwidekalanga of the Ndwandwe and lineage of Prince Nyathela Nxumalo brother to Queen Mwaka Nxumalo of King Mzilikazi, mother of Prince Nkulumane. Her sons with King Nyamanda were Prince Khayisa Khumalo and Prince Sumpe Khumalo.
Successor to Ndebele Kingship in King Nyamanda's family and in Mangongo Nxumalo's house,and in Prince Sumpe's descendancy as per identification process (2015 -2018) by King Lobengula's descendants.
Legitimate Successor:Prince Zwide Peter Khumalo.
Date unveiled by King Lobengula family to Khumalo Clan, Chiefs and Ndebele nation through a Press Conference was 17 February 2018.Prince Eliot Nguni Khumalo,descendant of Prince Sintinga who was youner brother to King Nyamanda, unveiled Prince Zwide on behalf of the Royal Family of the Khumalo Clan at the Amphitheator, Bulawayo.
Other sons of King Lobengula were:
Prince Mhlambi born 1873.
Mother:Queen Mfaziwamajaha Mkwananzi
Prince Sintinga(Tshakalisa) born 1875.
Mother:Queen Mfazwamajaha Mkwananzi.
Prince Njube born 1879
Mother:Queen Mpoliyana Ndiweni daughter of Faku Ndiweni
Prince Mphezeni born 1880
Mother: a Queen Ndiweni
Prince Nguboyenja born 1884
Mother:a Queen Ndiweni from Mphini Ndiweni
Prince Sidojiwe born 1888
ca. 1880 and died at Somerset Hospital on 9 December 1899 of pleurisy, Njube (royal son), Nguboyenja (royal son) sent to Cape Town after death of Lobengula and buried at Entumbane near to Mzilikazi, Sidojiwa born at Nsindeni ca. 1888 (royal son) and died 13 July 1960 (buried at Entumbane near to Mzilikazi), and at least one daughter
:This text needs to be edited and substantiated by verifiable references. Wayne Jayes (talk) 10:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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