Talk:List of martial arts/Archive 1

message: Israel is listed in the European section and not the Middle East section. Is this because the main method of fighting was developed in Czechoslovakia?
: Heh.. Russia is listed as European. =) -- Sy / (talk) 14:15, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel 

message: Hey all, I added this section under Misc. Parkour may or may not be considered a martial art; or just martial art like by some, for example. And Wen-Do instructers insist that it's not a martial art but simply self-defence... however Wen-Do is of course based on martial arts. --Mista-X 23:01, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Parkour isn't a martial art though, it is a sport. While many martial arts have been modified into sports, Parkour doesn't have any training for fighting, either offensively or defensively, so it doesn't belong in a list of martial arts IMO. Many styles of martial art are labelled by their adherents as well as being solely for self-defence, Wen-Do's avoidance of the term seems to politically rather than practically motivated. It reminds me of Bruce Lee and his followers' insisting that Jeet Kune Do isn't a "style" even though it is taught exactly like other mixed martial arts, with a "style" of training, however derivative. Semantics in aid of marketing. --Fire Star 05:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I disagree, just trying to think non-POV. "Martial art" is mentioned a few times in the Parkour article, and many practitioners of Parkour don't like for it to be considered a sport. And well there is no "combat" in Parkour, what about various types of wrestling, or even Capoeira? Ther is no real combat in those. Agree with you about Wendo though. --Mista-X 06:37, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Wrestling  is a large subject with many different applications in many different cultures, and certainly is martial (the WWE notwithstanding). I can see how Parkour could be considered one skill set that a martial artist can have (the Manchu used to train martial arts on ice skates) but sports like skating or skiing are more along Parkour's line than systematic traditional martial arts or even sport oriented arts like Judo, though. Track sports (and arguably many others) presumably originated as a form of military training, and that should be mentioned in their articles, but they aren't really complete styles of martial arts with fully offensive and defensive training. --Fire Star 23:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Combat, Martial Art like or Self-Defense 

message: As far as I'm aware, Turkey is a European country, not Middle Eastern (I'm Turkish, and I certainly don't see myself as Middle Eastern). I often hear the claim that Turkey is somehow 'not European' because a large proportion of its landmass is on the Asian continent. In which case, why is Uzbekistan listed as European on this list? I would argue both nations are European. Slideyfoot 16:53, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Turkey certainly does have territory in Europe proper. It is confusing for people because it is a border state between Europe and the Middle East, but there should be no objection to including it in a list of European countries. --Fire Star 23:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Shouldn't Turkey Come Under Europe?

message: An amazing tease of stuff at http://martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12661&page=1 and http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/52/52.html   I've put up a single article at Kalenda but DANG! Rorybowman 10:28, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfroCarribean Martial Arts 

message: Come on, it doesn't belong in here.NorphTehDwarf 05:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mud wrasslin'? 

message: I added Shorindokai under NA.
:And I removed it, as it appears to be a tiny and utterly non-notable martial art. If you have any proof to the contrary, please share. :) --Ashenai 00:30, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  added 

message: Hmm, is it really good to list all Chinese martial arts both here and at List of Chinese martial arts? - Wintran (talk) 15:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a List of Chinese martial arts, why is there no List of Korean martial arts??? I think we should either give every country its own list, or keep everything in this article. --Kbarends 06:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably because no-one has started it yet :)  Well, I believe that unless there's a more specific article, the list should be kept here. However, if a more specific list exists, I think it makes sense that this page just links to it instead of keeping a copy of the entire list. - Wintran (talk) 08:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Chinese martial arts 

message: I know that here martial arts are considered in a "general sense" (involving any physical, combat-like activity), but considering bullfighting as one of them sounds really weird to me. If no reference is found, I would take it out jynus 01:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  It seems like a huge stretch to call bullfighting a martial art.  I've removed it -Erik Harris 03:34, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullfighting? 

message: I've started on the Japanese arts since there were very few dead links but I think an overall attempt should be made as outlined in the Martial Arts Project Page to keep names that are linked to articles.  It sure would make it easier to evaluate what is a distinctive art - the name alone is not enough.  I'll start trimming soon unless there is a hue and cry.Peter Rehse 10:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Links

message: Why is Asia and the Pacific put in the same category? Pacific styles are in a class of their own and there are enough of them to make a separate list. The Asian list is already the longest one and doesn't need to be expanded. I suggest that the Pacific martial arts are listed in a separate category called Oceania which would include Hawaii, Australia and new Zealand. (unsigned comment by 202.133.104.38 on # 11:41, 3 November 2006)
:Strong Support - Go for it. - xiliquierntalk 18:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asia and Pacific 

message: How big should martial arts to be to be on this list?
And do they need their own page on wiki before they can be added?
I was thinking about Finnish martial arts: Hokutoryu Jujutsu,Han Moo Do(there are other arts with same name, this might cause problems?), Gaeshido(quite small),European Kyusho Jitsu Tuite (also quite small),Practical Defensive Fighting System (P.D.F.S.)(quite new),Art Wushu (founder is about 20, acrobatic art)
How Kokondo is Japanese martial art? Because it has roots to Japan? I always thought it was American.Korppi76 09:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions about martial arts on list

message: There are alot of Mexicanm boxers, so is there a Mexican style of boxing? What about luchadores? And I've heard something about Mexican glass fighting, supposedly an underground sport where the combatants wear gloves covered in glass. If anyone has more information on these topics maybe an edit should be made.Eno-Etile 07:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico 

message: Turkish section was not complete(only contemprory sayokan and oil wrestling) so I added some of the traditional martial arts still practiced in Turkey. Aba güreşi and karakucak are still practiced in villages. especially karakucak is very popular in Anatolia and much older than oil wrestling. Actually oil wrestling is considered a subcategory of karakucak in tradition. Kılıç-Kalkan(sword and shield play) is a stylized form of swordsmanship and very popular in Bursa province. Cirit is a cavalry marital art.two teams of horseman throws small spears to each other. today there is a league of cirit, which consists 30 teams, in Turkey. Kızbörü is popular in north-eastern parts of Anatolia. ottoman style archery is practiced by several archery clubs in İstanbul. I didin't add old martial arts that we learn from histroy boks such as "Matrak" because thay are long lost not practiced in modern day. Isatay 13:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey 

message: I think that silat and kuntao should be listed at least in both Indonesia and Malaysia. I know that double-listing is to bve avoided here but this list just doesn't make any sense if silat is not called Malaysian as well. You must remember that Southeast Asia wasn't always in its current form and the boundaries between the countries was blurred. Although silat originated in Sumatra, no one in either Indonesia or Malaysia considers it to belong to a particular country or state. If we were to list every  style of silat, we could divide them into the categories from where they came but since we can only use one word, we should not let people be misled. What happens when someone who knows nothing about Malaysia looks up this list only to find that the only Malaysian style is tomoi which actually came from Thailand? I don't think it's necessary to make another article about Malaysian silat but I think it's very unfair to act like silat is not Malaysian while modern westernised versions of Asian styles are listed as if they are a real part of America's/ Europe's heritage. -Morinae 16:26, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silat