Talk:List of Golden Sun characters

message: This section is a little cluttered... and I can tell why: The title row to each character has too many names in it. What I think should be done is to have only the English name in these rows in big black font, then put everyone's japanese, french, spanish, and german in normal-sized boldface text underneath before the description. What do you think? Erik the Appreciator 04:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! Now you might want to check out my personal sandbox, where I have posted a copy of this page and will expand/rewrite it there the coming days. Like I try to say to everyone else, all comments/input appreciated. Erik the Appreciator 18:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: Is there any reason why he is mentioned twice in the final section of minor characters? Once at the end (starting Lunpa) and once a few paragraphs before (starting "The Righteous Thief Lunpa") Black Sharingan 09:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lunpa

message: What about the fact that Felix's cape changes from green in Golden Sun to Blue in GS:The Lost Age?4.156.159.55 23:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, actually, that doesn't count because there are several details in the game that don't match the characters official portraits. Like Sheba, who is green-eyed everywhere but the game. Likewise, though Felix's cape color may change a bit in the game, it doesn't change at all in the official drawn portraits, even though Felix has two portraits, one for each game. Erik the Appreciator 20:37, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Felix

message: All this info about the characters in fan fiction seems odd to put in an encyclopedia page. I think that the information presented by the developers about the characters is important; what fans do with them in fiction is not. Thoughts? --Crazysunshine 07:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good thought. That info does deserve the boot. What the page really needs are some images like what you see in List of Final Fantasy Tactics characters, because actually I was using that fanfic info as a bit of a placeholder system for future images. Erik the Appreciator 18:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fan fiction?

message: Could Kraden's Japanese name (Sclater) be a reference to Philip Sclater? I kind of doubt that this is a coincidence because he developed the theory of Lemuria. --Evice 06:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is something. It's too much of a coincidence for Nintendo and Camelot to have come up with both those names in the same game, so therefore there should be a stand-alone sentence at the end of the Kraden section about this. Erik the Appreciator 22:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since its been 2 years since the last person wrote something in this discussion, and absolutely no action has been made, I'll do the honors. --haha169 (talk) 04:15, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kraden's Japanese name 

message: Recently, someone has tried to change Golden Sun names to the Japanese release names instead of the English default names.  Since this page is on English langauge Wikipedia, and is likely used by those  who are in the English area release of the gamer, it is probably best we use the English names for sections.  --Eldarone 02:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, everyone except one person knows that it's the English naming that fits, apparently. It seems this one IP address does not like the English names and tries changing it to express his opinion, in spite of the Wikipedia code. Well, I'll not try and sound too venomous, but Steel has been going against the IP for a while now. Erik the Appreciator 02:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English Names 

message: Should we add some rumors in, just to keep the humor of the page? You know, Garret can see dead people and so on. Izaak
:We would if it weren't in violation of Wikipedia's policy on Original Research. Only material that is verifiable is allowed in these articles, says everyone else. And actually, all message board forums concerning Golden Sun games have had to discuss over the past three years are rumors, and they're still open for that, so this encyclopedia article is actually the least tolerant place to put rumors. But not to despair; Camelot's been up to something big for a long time... ^_^ Erik the Appreciator 22:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I smell GS3. --DcPimp 02:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No, Rumors are in violation of policy. --Eldarone 02:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Repeat, I repeat, I smell Golden Sun 3! --DcPimp 19:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumors? 

message: According to a fourm topic on www.gamefaqs.com the villains are not true villains so ca anyone put that?
:No, that is not a reliable source. --Eldarone 00:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason for that is because it actually goes against wiki-policy to input something from a fan forum into an article of what should always be a verifiable source of information. Actually, I think it's considered original research to say that so-and-so "may not be the true villain". Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 01:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: True villains?

message: Currently I'm cropping and reuploading the character portraits in List of characters in Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance so that the characters' head and torso areas are what's shown, so the characters can therefore appear "closer" to the screen. It was accepted as a great idea over there, so does anyone think it's a good idea to do the same thing here? On a related note, the big character description sections should probably be rewritten to be a little shorter. Doing both these things I think would make the page more than a "Start"-class article. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 01:58, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this. --Eldarone 20:57, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new portrait crops feel awkward to view.  It's like half their body is missing.  Is there anyway to frame the portariure?  I can help out if I knew I needed to do. --Eldarone 08:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crop the character portraits? 

message: Okay, so the story behind this latest complete rewrite of much of the page revolves around how I recently noticed the RPG character list Characters of Final Fantasy VIII. Since that page made it to Featured List status, I figure the character list for these RPGs should be modeled off that page's structure. That was also the reason why I had cropped the character portraits a short while back, and moved the page's title; that;s the way the FF8 List does it, and we might want to convert this into a Featured List like FF8 in the future. Right, people? ^_^ 
The character sections themselves have been majorly shortened to resemble the lengths of FF8's character sections, and the emphasis therefore is placed on brevity-based clarity for readers who might not have played Golden Sun (yet). Ideally this is what an encyclopedia would want, rather than plot summary and original analysis by this site, which I think went on with the page's previous version. Each character has pretty much one paragraph for each game in the series, and if there is to be a GS3 in the future, each character would get a third paragraph as well. (Also: I'm hoping Brawl will allow us to write additional stuff on each of these characters as they might appear in that game.) Questions, comments, and concerns? Thanks. Erik Jensen (Appreciate|Laugh At) 05:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: About the May rewrite

message: I was just thinking, didn't all the characters at one time have potraits like Kraden? I personally just like them more since they're smaller and more unintrusive. David Fuchs (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the small square portraits of the character faces found in the games satisfy Wikipedia's Fair Use policies better, then I'd support that. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 21:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't know if they do, I just think that they're more uniform and cleaner than the current "jaggy" ones. David Fuchs (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  go back to in-game portraits? 

message: In Jenna's section of the article, it is said that she "becomes a playable party member" in TLA.  However, she was a playable party member during Golden Sun's "prologue" section (3 years before the main game, the trip into Sol Sanctum).  If I'm reading this correct, then a revision is in order.  If, however, by "playable party member", it is meant that the player controls Jenna's sprite (at the beginning of TLA), then changes are, I believe, in order for the sections on Garet, Ivan and Mia; during the Collosso event, the option was there to place the three of them in the stage, with the ability to use them to alter the course.  I am unsure which of these possibilities is the one implied by the article, but it would seem to need a revision in either case. Hezekiah957 (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jenna: NPC/PC 

message: I own both games and I'm not sure where this 3d-looking Isaac came from or why it should be here since it doesn't portray in-game graphics. 136.176.100.22 (talk) 07:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from Brawl...I'll make the caption say so.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 13:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which image of Isaac do you guys think is better: the current one, or ? The current one is already firmly established, and looks quite nice in the article. The image I suggested is an official Nintendo portrait, but there might be some problems in making the text fit snugly around it, and creating a new fair-use rationale. --haha169 (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the heck is the picture of Isaac some sort of graphics that aren't actually from the game? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Isaac Brawl.png

message: An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, :Image:MiaGoldenSun.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted.  haha169 (talk) 01:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest I think that image is not necessary, since Mia's pictured in the intro image anyway. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 23:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:MiaGoldenSun.JPG listed for deletion 

message: First Isaac's voice in Brawl was listed as provided by "Aya Hara" for a while, then it became "Minami Takayama" for a much longer while. Now an IP's changed it back to Aya Hara... Can anyone verify which one it actually is? Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 00:11, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find a source for who voiced Isaac... --haha169 (talk) 04:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Brawl voice actress

message: I've had some trouble getting the images i added to look quite right and be exactly to the side of each person. So if anyone could help, that would be great. Thanks!--Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 20:06, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help 

message: What is the basis for claiming that Saturos and Menardi aimed to light all the lighthouses and were tragic heros? At the top of the Venus lighthouse they mention that they don't need to light the mars lighthouse, and if you read the minds of alot of people in prox you will find that Saturos did alot of bad stuff.
Also is it just me or is calling Alex a 'wielder of watery spell craft' a bit of an odd phrase? Psyengery is never referred to as 'spell craft'. 220.238.139.78 (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Tragic hero" is probably not the right description of them, yeah. It should probably be "Anti villain". But it is a given that lighting the four Lighthouses to restore alchemy is their objective. And I'll try to come up with a more fitting description of Water Psynergy. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 19:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saturos and Menardi 

message: Golden Sun DS is going to feature all of these heroes' decedents. The list is going to require a reorganization. --haha169 (talk) 00:53, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; however, I think that can only happen once the game is released and we know exactly about the roles and familial relations of the characters in it, which'd be important to know in order to do any proper work on this page. There might even be a decision to make a separate character list for GSDS, or there might not; we really don't know at this early stage. Erik Jensen (Appreciate or Laugh At) 01:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I was jumping the gun there. :P --haha169 (talk) 03:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Golden Sun DS

message: * While the English version of the Japanese The Lost Age character page uses "Sheba" in the text, her image URL uses "shiba"; the image itself covers that letter, and I cannot estimate if "e" or "i" fit the spacing.
* The character page with Saturos and Menardi show their names to explicitly be "Satyuros" and "Menadi".  Should these be noted with the "in Japanese language versions" blurb?
* I would have to confirm, but I think Hama's name has also been spelled "Hamma" in the English version(s).  If true, should this be mentioned?
T.J. Fuller, Jr. (talk) 04:05, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheba, Saturos, Menardi, Hama 

message: Okay, maybe the image I inserted was unnecessary, but i think it looks nice. Correct me if the edits I made were a bad move with the image and the seperation of the playable character. I am always open to criticism.--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 14:37, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lost age image 

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