Talk:Muqaddimah

message: I think that Wikipedia should do an investigation into translations when it comes to racism against "blacks". If any of the editing that I did here on this article was unnecessary please edit and fix it, but at the very least maybe put different translations of the same passage side by side in different articles where this racism shows up that might be questionable. Whats important about this is not just whither or not these scholars were biased the importance is gaining an accurate view of history and this can't be done if there is mistranslations, on the other hand bigotry and prejudiced writing certainly occurred so this is also a sensitive topic that should be taken carefully.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markellion (talk • contribs) 14:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Translations and questionable Arab racism

message: Stating that Hegel and Marx were all about feedback loops and not structures whereas Durkheim was all about structures and not feedback loops seems to gloss over important issues. More importantly, it is far from true. If anything. Marx exemplifies a structural discussion. It is interesting that such a claim would appear, considering that reading Durkheim lead me to think of Ibn Khaldun and I came to this article to jog my memory. Having read this impressive tome for my undergraduate work, I hope someone who has read it in the nearer past will revise and add. At any rate, Ibn Khaldun's cyclical vision of society does not resemble Marx's progress driven one. Ibn Khaldun recognized the inevitable corruptability of man. Durkheim saw a similar cycle of societal 'creative destruction', but did not define it into a full theory. At any rate, I'm not changing anything because I don't have the time to write a thorough well-written paragraph, but I would vote to remove the paragraph rather than mislead. Also, this may not be the place for the big Durkheim/Marx debate, but rather those two venerable philosophers's articles. 132.229.189.110 (talk) 17:51, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection to Modern Sociology

message: I appreciate that Ibn Kaldun argued for an initially positive, but eventually negative relationship between tax rates and revenues. But to refer to it as the 'Khaldun-Laffer curve' instead of the 'Laffer curve' will only unnecessarily confuse the issue.  There are many other 'laws' that are known by their modern promulgators, the principles of which were discovered in the past.  We should refer to concepts by the names they are best known by. lk 10:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Khaldun-Laffer Curve

message: Forgive the technical ignorance but I didn't intent the post I made today to be in bold type but can't undo it. Can some computer literate type please help? I also don't know how to properly add a link so could someone do it for the http I've added.
Jjc2002 (talk) 14:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: Predictably enough, this is full of Jaggedese. Who is going to return it to sanity? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:32, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jaggedese 

message: But where is are the Berbers info in this part. This is some misinformation on major scale. One of the subjects of the book isn't even talked about here. BERBERS AS THE WHOLE BOOK WAS ABOUT. Wikipedia is really amateurish. I mean look at the goddamn title.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.249.70.153 (talk) 02:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The titel of the book is orginally Book of Lessons, Record of Beginnings and Events in the history of the Arabs and Foreigners and Berbers and their Powerful Contemporaries 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: not moved. Rough consensus that the current title is the WP:COMMONNAME among English-language sources. (non-admin closure)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Muqaddimah →  – The h is superfluous. Authorities such as Aziz al-Azmeh prefer the more natural Muqaddima to the unnecessary Muqaddimah. إيان (talk) 19:24, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is the French spelling, and so I'm not surprised it can be found in English books which might cite the titles of works by French authors. But in English text, it is overwhelmingly "Muqaddimah".  Strongly oppose change in article title or in text.  Walrasiad (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: French would be Moukaddima. Muqaddimahhh is Franz Rosenthal's mid-20th century archaism. إيان (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've only seen "Muqaddima" in French. "Muqaddimah" may be Rosenthal's spelling, but it is the dominant spelling in English.  Anyway, this is a very important work, and that's the title by which it is familiar in English, and commonly referred to. It shouldn't be messed with on a whim. Walrasiad (talk) 22:31, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 13 February 2023