Talk:Kiryat Yam

message: Everywhere I look it is simply stated that a google earth user added the note about the alleged old arab village. But is it true or not?? Is it a controversy because the israelis don't like the thought of it, or is it simply not true?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.215.252.82 (talk) 15:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the British-sponsored Palestine Exploration Fund (PEF) map from 1880, Arab Ghawarina is a region east of Acre populated with Arabs and there is no evidence of any civilization in the area marked by Darby. Faceman1 (talk) 11:25, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Correct, there is nothing in that map to indicate settlements in the place where Kiryat Yam was built.  Another Arab locality named in this regard is Jidru.  The residents of Jidru were evicted in the 1920s when the land was sold by the absentee owner.  But was too far to the east (on the east side of Kiryat Bialik), and too early in time, to be related to Kiryat Yam. Zerotalk 03:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text: So this bit of trivia has had its time in the sun and now we can remove it. It wasn't even an action of Google but some non-notable private user called Thameen Darby who added the false information. If we added a mention in Wikipedia about every erroneous note a user added to Google,... well this should be obvious. Zerotalk 13:28, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: google earth note controversy

message: The article (based on a source which is dubious) says that Kiryat Yam was founded in 1945.  However, the Palestine Post of May 12, 1939, has an article "Kiryat Yam - A New Haifa Suburb" which describes well-advanced construction work for "a new seaside residential suburb".  After that date the suburb is mentioned regularly and I cannot locate anything special that happened in 1945. I believe more research needs to be done to get this straight.  Btw, PP is readable here. Zerotalk 04:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the interesting information. I have limited sources on the matter, but both agree that Kiryat Yam was founded as an initiative by the Gav Yam company and member of the Jewish Brigade, following World War II. My theory is that one of the other Krayot was called Kiryat Yam, although right now this is original research. I will attempt to find more sources some other time. —Ynhockey (Talk) 07:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The book of Glass mentions a 1946 development at Kiryat Yam built on a different land holding than the 1939-40 development p229; maybe that's it. Zerotalk 08:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text:  Can Gav Yam be the the same as Bayside Land Corporation?  I'm sure it was the BLC that did the development since for years the Pal. Post was full of advertisements from the BLC for houses and apartments in Kiryat Yam. Zerotalk 08:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

text:  To answer my own question, yes, they are the same.  Do we need to verify they were called Gav Yam in 1940 before we can call them Gav Yam in the article? Zerotalk 08:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We can call them the Bayside Land Corporation, if that is the official English name. I was not aware that they had an English name. —Ynhockey (Talk) 18:45, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened in 1945? 

message: The sources should explicitly mention Kiryat yam as the sources predate the city we cannot it tie it without violation WP:OR --Shrike (talk) 13:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: user:Shrike: when sources give the location (ie grid no.); AFAIK; we do not need the modern name. And the location is in clearly present Kiryat Yam, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:50, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sources don't have to use the precise words, provided that they reliably indicate the subject. In this case, however, I believe that the information needs more study. The location of the former town of Jedru is either within the boundaries of Kiryat Bialik or the boundaries of Kfar Bialik. Its Hebrew name is Horbat Gedora, location 1589/2475 (source:Dauphin, p.665). The village lands of Jedru, at least in the 1930s, extended from the village all the way to the coast. Zerotalk 05:05, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if it was true the sources doesn't connect between the two localities so it will be WP:UNDUE and WP:OR to connect them Shrike (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Maps are sources. In the absence of a policy about use of maps, we should judge their reliability in the same way as we judge other written sources. This is what the essay WP:MAPCITE argues. Zerotalk 09:16, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

text: Khirbat Jidru was renamed as Horbat Gedora in 1957. There should definitely be an article. Anyway is incorrect to redirect it here. Zerotalk 01:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old history