Talk:Chios

message: Support move to Chios. See Transliteration of Greek into English, Khios would be the BGN transliteration, Chios the UN/official Greek transliteration. Markussep 22:42, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I 've tried to move it myself, but it seems we need the assistance of an admin.
MATIA 08:12, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

text: This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 19:41, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to '''Chios'''

message: Adkagansu: I rvt that edit. I have a feeling I agree with you in excluding alternative names from the opening line and paragraph unless absolutely necessary - further down the paragraphs would be fine and only if historically relevant. I have no desire to find out the former Greek names of Turkish places (only in the history section), and likewise we would be expecting too much of readers by including Turkish appelation of Greek places. Politis 13:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd actually recommend a moratorium of all name-related edits/reverts in this area, while the discussion at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places) is ongoing. Adkagansu, you're very welcome to make your opinion heard over there, we need a broad basis for a consensus if it is ever to work out. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: :Why are we including the Turkish and Italian names in the opening paragraph? Neither one is the original name; there are no transport links between the island and Turkey or Italy. 
:As a rule, no tourist map or atlas includes both names (unless they were printed in Turkey).
:Where do we draw the geographical line for including other names? Do we state that Athens is Atina in Turkish in the opening line? It seems that the current geographical line for including other names is on Greek islands claimed by Turkey and whose air space it violates.
:There is a place for other names, after all, it is part of the history of a place, but further down the text. Politis 11:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are ferries running between Chios and Cesme (sorry, can't spell the name of that city correctly using my keyboard) daily; fewer ones run between Chios and Italy.  Not a reason to keep the names in the first para, but your comment re: the ferry lines isn't correct. --Joemadeus 20:07, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Other names must be moved further down

message: I have expanded the Chiot Greek shipping text - though I note that the early shipping families of Vaglianos and Rodocanachi are not noted anywhere in Wiki - are there any good biographies of these families? Ephebi 13:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipping families 

message: With everyone having unsubstantiated opinions about history, can we now start using footnotes when adding material to justify the additions/subtractions? Simply insisting on a POV is utterly irrelevant to Wikipedia or any encyclopedia. There is supposed to be some external justification. If not, please stop inserting or changing sentences that can't be checked by anyone. Student7 15:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes/references

message: Thank you for your correction on "Oros." Since we don't say "Sinai Tel" or "Tel Sinai" but Mt. Sinai, in English, shouldn't we be dropping the "Oros" in English, as well? Student7 (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some precedent I think for having the Greek names of things in the side boxes, where the English is more appropriate in the article. That being said, looking through a list of articles on Greek islands, the articles that do list a highest point do not use the term 'Oros' - if it doesn't suit you, I'd say get rid of it.  Brando130 (talk) 03:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Correction on Oros

message: While there is nothing wrong and maybe everything right about publishing that a massacre was memorialized by writers of fiction and artists, it seems wrong to me to put this in an article about the event itself (history). To me, it detracts from Chios and focuses attention on these artists unecessarily. Painting okay as a picture. But mention of these others should come later as "media" or something. What if I said there was a game out called "Ottoman masssacre" (about as bad as some of them!) and put that in the history section? You would identify it as wrong immediately. But there is no difference, don't you see? The artists of yesterday have degenerated into the gameboys of today. It's all total invention by the artist. The mixture of fiction and fact (except for the painting itself) does not belong together IMO. Student7 (talk) 12:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I take your point. The clear difference between a modern depiction and the art/poetry being discussed is that the art here is contemporary to the aftermath of the events, and thus really a part of the history itself, at least the history of the massacre's aftermath. The text says the massacre took place; quite verifiable anyway but now more so since you have added a reference. Then the text says something to the effect that there was 'major outrage in Europe' - and it gives some popular art and poetry of the period that demonstrates some contemporary expressions of that outrage. It's not telling you "Go check Lord Byron for an in depth historical account of the events" - its telling you that you can check Lord Byron to see some of the European flare that popped up in response to the killings. Shouldn't that be relevant? You could even put them in a footnote, but why remove valid examples of European's expressions of outrage over the massacre just because they are artistic and not prose? Brando130 (talk) 16:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fiction, paintings

message: I'm no expert on this, but I very much doubt that Chios has an average August temperature of 105 degrees F, or that December temperatures typically drop below freezing and rise above room temperature in the same day. The source obviously has incorrect or confusingly labeled data, and someone copied wrong. --76.242.82.23 (talk) 05:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They look wrong to me too. Thanks for pointing that out. More importantly they have been that way since they were added in January 2008 by AlexH. He is a reputable editor. I left him a note but he hasn't edited since July. I found a history at http://weather-to-travel.com/climate-guides/index.php?destination=chios if someone would like to straighten it out. Note that the source that is listed is dead. Student7 (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just got agreement from AlexH. He agreed that they didn't look quite right. I changed from different source, the original link being dead. Copied from new link which seems to look "better," but cannot verify temps myself. I did NOT change average temps which may be wrong too but didn't seem to be displayed, nor did I verify precipitation which now may not agree with link. Student7 (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Temperatures in climate section are wrong 

message: in the north of the island there is ancient houses and church with Sgraffito especially in Mastichochoria region. i hope sombody can upload a picture here. פארוק (talk) 22:42, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Sgraffito]] houses 

message: by the Genocide in the Greek island of Chios were able residents Mastichochoria in South - West Island rescued thanks to the Mastic tree crops which produced the resin Mastic was worth the weight of gold that was used by the sultan and the harem wives also served as a valuable material for export of the Empire note octet. man who was stolen the Mastic was executed by the order of the sultan. פארוק (talk) 07:43, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what editor is saying. Harvesting mastic nearly stopped with the massacre. The massacre demolished Chios trade in that substance which never recovered. Student7 (talk) 22:37, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chios Massacre]] 

message: Does Chios have an official flag, or historical flags? --Nikoz78 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Chios? 

message: The word "asty' has been here a long time, since 2006 with this change by an unregistered editor. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chios&diff=next&oldid=74716590
I'm assuming it was a typo and rm it. Student7 (talk) 18:46, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The "asty" (huh?

message: Chios is Greek, Turkish is not a joint official or national language and as such, it should not be included for islands and mainland regions simply because they are spitting distance from Turkish territory. However, I see no information on the demographics and if there is a long-standing ethnic Turkish population on Chios as is the case in parts of mainland Greece and some islands, then it is fair to include the Turkish name on that premise. This is something I cannot help the conflicting parties on because I haven't yet sought the statistics.Zavtek (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree with your points. As far as I can tell there is no Turkish minority on Chios. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  19:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is just one thing though, and I really did forget this when I began this section. As the island was controlled by the Ottomans for a time, its inclusion should be fine but not in the lede. As with Xanthi, a lower paragraph should suffice. After all, the Turkish name does form part of the land's heritage, but the only problem will be that it would have to be the modern Turkish name given rather than the Ottoman Arabic as very few people know that writing system for Turkish, and sources are scarce. Zavtek (talk) 19:48, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A section on the island's Ottoman past would be absolutely fine, which can naturally include its name at the time, but I agree with you that the lead is not the place to put it. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  19:57, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'm not party to this remember! I'm just looking how things are on Serbian articles with Hungarian names for the Vojvodina region and Bulgaria for places with a Turkish population (there you have it in lede), and existing Greek settlement practice. I now hope the user who insisted on the Turkish name agrees to this. Zavtek (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We are all party to Wikipedia, so to that extent everyone can be  involved everywhere. :) Thank you for your comments. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις  20:10, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion of Turkish name 

message: "Known as "Ophioussa" (Οφιούσσα, "snake island") and "Pityoussa" (Πιτυούσσα, "pine-tree island") in antiquity, during the later Middle Ages the island was ruled by a number of non-Greek powers and was known as Scio (Genoese), Chio (Italian) and Sakız (صاقيز —Ottoman Turkish)."
It seems from this paragraph that the name of Chios originate from Italian in late Middle Age. But when I look up the wiki dictionary, it says the word of Χίος has been in use since 5 BC. Can anyone explain this?Qijiang ok (talk) 07:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the island in Roman and Byzantine era 

message: Chios international airport section or any other transport section is missing.--2A02:587:4401:8126:C014:4130:21CD:33CC (talk) 01:41, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chios International airport 

message: Turkish name for the island I have added to lead was removed for invalid reasons by Therealscorp1an. Per WP:NCGN; ″Relevant foreign language names (one used by at least 10% of sources in the English language or that is used by a group of people which used to inhabit this geographical place) are permitted. Local official names should be listed before other alternate names if they differ from a widely accepted English name.″ Unless valid reasons are submitted here, I will re-insert it. DriedGrape (talk) 00:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Please demonstrate that either of those two criteria are met. Which references use the Turkish name? The article only seems to discuss occasional and short-term small clusters of Turkish community. By contrast, the US is currently inhabited by major communities that do speak all sorts of other languages, and large areas periodically owned by Spanish-speaking, the French, and however-many-different Native-American tribes. Our United States article lists none of those. The guideline is can (allowed) not must (required), so I would think it's a WP:CONSENSUS, and you as proponent don't seem to have it at the moment, whereas the current editors and several previous rounds of talkpage comments support excluding it. DMacks (talk) 01:47, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: While I have been trying to reach a consensus, the objecting reasons given are simply invalid. Many other editors in the past have also argued in favor of the addition of the names, here and the other island articles, but were again shut down by simply unjustifiable excuses. The Turkish community in the island is neither occassional or short-term, given its length and recent exodus. DriedGrape (talk) 02:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

text: There is no Turkish community on the island, and hasn't been for 100 years now. The Turkish name is of historical interest and belongs in the name section, but not the lede. Khirurg (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish name in lead 

message: Hard to believe the local board of commerce/tourism missed that one. Most places would kill to be famed for centuries as the home of the best all-natural cosmetic in the known world. It probably deserves its own article if there are enough sources to pinpoint the location and chemistry involved. — LlywelynII 05:03, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Chian earth