Talk:Calvin and Hobbes/Archive 7

message: The very first book, Calvin and Hobbes, was recently challenged by parents of the Geneva, Illinois public school district. In other words, elementary school parents in that district did not feel that the book was appropriate to the collections of their elementary school libraries. It is the FIRST time any of Watterson's books have ever been challenged. The book is staying in the libraries, but will be limited to be checked out only by fourth and fifth graders (the schools are K-5). There is a possibility of an appeal. Source:  --JohnDBuell 14:14, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're preaching to the choir, here, Michael (at least in my personal case :). I'm waiting to hear if parents appeal this one.... --JohnDBuell 19:39, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenged! 

message: Maybe my memory is fuzzy, but as I recall, Calvin's bike appeared in maybe ten or fifteen strips, if that. Why does it merit a multi-paragraph description in this already overlong article? jdb ❋ (talk) 22:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't, in my opinion. Repeating the jokes seems to be a common problem in articles like this. See 8-Bit_Theater#Running_gags for another example. Feezo  <FONT SIZE="-2">(Talk)</FONT> 23:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I'm moving it here:
===Calvin's bicycle===
Calvin has an adversarial relationship with his bicycle. The bicycle typically tries to injure Calvin, usually with success. Calvin sometimes tries to counter this with acts such as chaining his bicycle to the tree in his yard, or by trying to persuade his father to purchase a bell that will alert him to its position.
As with several things, Calvin's parents do not understand Calvin's relationship with his bicycle. For instance, in one strip, it somehow gets into his closet and waits for Calvin to go to bed. When Calvin finds this out, he shouts for help, but when his mother comes up, she says, "Everything's fine, honey... but why did you bring your bike up to your closet?"
jdb ❋ (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  War on minor gags 

message: Calvin has an adversarial relationship with his bicycle. The bicycle typically tries to injure Calvin, usually with success. Calvin sometimes tries to counter this with acts such as chaining his bicycle to the tree in his yard, or by trying to persuade his father to purchase a bell that will alert him to its position.
As with several things, Calvin's parents do not understand Calvin's relationship with his bicycle. For instance, in one strip, it somehow gets into his closet and waits for Calvin to go to bed. When Calvin finds this out, he shouts for help, but when his mother comes up, she says, "Everything's fine, honey... but why did you bring your bike up to your closet?"
jdb ❋ (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Calvin's bicycle

message: I think Susie should have her own page on Wikipedia.  She is enough of a major character in the strip, plus nearly every Simpsons and Futurama character has his or her own article.
:We recently had a long debate about this that you can see in this discussion. That should explain why we went about it the way we did. - Mike (talk) 01:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ironically, Susie had previously survived two nominations for deletion. Her submergence into Secondary characters in Calvin and Hobbes was almost entirely the result of John oh's repeated removal of the AfD tags. Feezo  <FONT SIZE="-2">(Talk)</FONT> 01:37, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Susie Derkins

message: Does anyone know which comic a girl in Calvin's class tells him the answer to a maths questions is a gazillion? Does it also say how big it is? For the gazillion article. Thanks. Kernow 10:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, answer is Suzie, see  or on the dodgy archive at  --Oscarthecat 15:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gazillion 

message: Unsure whether this newly-added link should remain.  It's a well designed site, with lots of info, but it also blatantly breaches Watterson's copyright, with dozens of C&G strips scanned in and made available there. --Oscarthecat 07:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *The Calvin and Hobbes Album URL accessed March 30, 2006
*I would like to know which "dozens of C&H strips" you are referring to. The page with the most strips on it is being taken down for a new Reader's Favorites Page. You can read about it at the what's new page. (http://geocities.com/adamfishercox/whatsnew)
* I've just removed another link to a page that contains all 1470 strips.   I'm not the publisher, and it's not my responsibility to police copyright, but I don't think there's any justification for encouraging this behaviour by linking to it.  Gid 13:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the discussion is a moot point at the moment, as the site's unavailable : "Sorry, this GeoCities site is currently unavailable. The GeoCities web site you were trying to view has temporarily exceeded its data transfer limit. Please try again later.".  Let's revisit this if/when the site pops back up again. --Oscarthecat 21:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's back up. As former GeoCities Free service user, I understand this problem. Sometimes when traffic gets high to the site, it overloads what little bandwidth is offered with the free plan. This downtime is only tempory, and the site is usually back up within 15-20 minutes. The "Your favorite page" has replaced the "#1 strips" page, and now the only comics available of the website are the first, last, and the one that was never printed in books, 3 on the seasonal page, and a few here in there in context with the character pages. It may be pushing the borderlines of fair use a bit, but I don't think that it's a flagrant violation, as I have counted about 10 strips on the entire site. - Mike (talk) 01:48, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Update : it's down again.  I've marked it as such in the article. --Oscarthecat 20:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's back up. Downtime usually only lasts a few minutes. - Mike (talk) 21:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New ext link : C&H Album 

message: This article is longer than the William Shakespeare article. - Xed 21:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but on the whole, there's more info about him and his work than Calvin and his tiger, see  vs . --Oscarthecat 21:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And more on Calvin than John Calvin. Is this an encyclopedia? - Xed 22:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the length of an article really mean that much?  I personally don't think so.  It's not a commentary on whether or not one subject is more "important" or "significant" than another, and it's not a reflection on the quality of Wikipedia as an information source.  It's simply a result of how much information Wikipedians have to offer on the given subjects, and how much of that information survives the numerous edits.  Don't read too much into what simply comes down to meaningless numbers. - Ugliness Man 20:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice Xed's user page only has two lines of text about him. Based on his logic, he must be really unimportant. ;-) Michael Dorosh 06:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wisdom of Wikipedia 

message: I'd be fine with taking the dissected link off of the page, as I didn't put it there, but I'll leave that up to you. - adamfc
:The dissected site seems to breach copyright many times over, lots of scanned pics of C&H etc.  On this site it even appears that you're claiming copyright for one of Watterson's pictures :  --Oscarthecat 20:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a standard message at the bottom of each page claiming copyright for the site. However, it can cause confusion and you may want to change that to "This site (c) 2006 Adam Fisher-Cox. All C&H images are (c) Bill Watterson". I'm not entirely sure that an opinion radio show should be in the external links, and it violates NPOV, but I do think that the C&H Album should stay. - Mike(talk) 21:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radio Link 

message: I'm glad to see this section got cleaned up, but I noticed something I needed to comment on.  The section has the following statement
:It is perhaps the results of an earlier strip in which Calvin saved some cooked noodles in a paper bag for a report on the brain, researched on the school bus using a pocket encyclopedia.
While this is a perfectly valid theory, Watterson has stated unambiguously in the Tenth Anniversary Collection that we don't know what "The Noodle Incident" is, that he prefers to leave it to the reader's imagination.  Therefore, it's safe to say that it's not something which ever actually happened in a strip, and I think this statement needs to be revised.  Should the theory be removed entirely, or ammended to point out that it's an assumption some have made but is most likely incorrect? - Ugliness Man 20:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Noodle Incident 

message: I feel Stupendous Man needs an entry on the Calvin and Hobbes page.  I understand that it's not feasible to outline every single one of Calvin's adventures, like running to the Yukon, pushing the car out of the driveway, etc., but for Stupendous Man not even to have been mentioned is a crime.  I feel that a short paragraph, maybe 7 or 8 sentences, on both Stupendous Man and Spaceman Spiff is needed.  DajoKatti
:We can probably add a brief section about all of the alter egos, but they are discussed in depth at Calvin's article. - Mike(talk) 16:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a couple lines about the alter egos to Calvin's section, and I provided a link to the main description of them.  Anville 18:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was an entry about im just yesterday!! Did someine take it down? adamfc 21:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stupendous Man 

message: The article states "She is waiting to retire, takes a lot of medication, and is apparently a heavy smoker and drinker."  Do we really know any of that, or is it just one person's speculation?  I never thought of her as a smoker and drinker. -BeboGuitar 23:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Watterson states as much in the Tenth Anniversary Book.  I don't have the page number, but it shouldn't be hard to find.  Calvin has said, "I wonder if her doctor knows she mixes all those medications", as well as "Rumor has it she's up to two packs a day, unfiltered."  Anville 13:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The "two packs a day unfiltered" strip as well as Bill Watterson's verbatim comment is accessible here adamfc 19:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miss Wormwood 

message: Just to show I am not entirely without humour, I have moved the joke submission by 202.6.138.34 (talk • contribs) to BJAODN.  --RobertG ♬ talk 09:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joke submission 

message: Is it necesarry to have the entire strip depicting the noodle incident? Apparently someone thinks so, who keeps reverting my edits to show only the panel with the noodle incodent reference. If you would please voice youre opinions one way or another that would be good.
--[adamfc] 00:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's neccessary because it puts The Noodle Incident into context, and therefore better explains it. - Mike(talk) 13:57, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noodle Incident