Talk:Mahmud Barzanji

message: The following statements need some attention:
*"British foreign policy ... has a great deal to answer for in the Middle East. Indeed, the gift of colonialism, generally, has been harshly judged with the benefit of hindsight.
*An interesting account of the incorporation of the Turkish portion of Kurdistan ...
*A wonderful account of the Kurdish people ...
*He speaks of the experiences of fine British administrators ...
Accordingly I have marked the article as NPOV.  I hope that the aforementioned text will not just be deleted, but rather reworked as there is some interesting stuff there. Greenshed 01:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those paragraphs were unsourced, so i removed them.Heja Helweda 06:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral Point of View

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there is a sentence in "Mahmuds Revolts" which reads the following: "Barzanji led the first Kurdish revolt in British controlled Southern Kurdistan (Iraqi Kurdistan) in May 1919. Shortly before being appointed governor of Sulaimaniya, he ordered the arrest of all British political and military officials in the region." I've checked the source (given at the end of the text block)Chapter 1 and the wording is correctly matching the source. But it is impossible: the only power that could appoint Barzanji governor of Sulaimaniya were the British - there were no other power around. And the British surely wouldn't do that AFTER he arrested their officials. The text must read "Shortly AFTER being appointed - just a typo in the original, I suppose. 
But the subject is more complicated. Another source given by an editor here (but not integrated into the article because it's a personal page, not reliable) tells us: "In 1922, Britain's hold on the Kurdish region of northern Iraq was shaky at best (...) In September, the British freed a former rebel leader held in Kuwait, Shaykh Mahmud of Sulaymaniya (a town northeast of Kirkuk), and made him governor of Sulaymaniya. Once in power, Mahmud quickly outstripped Britain's mandate, declaring himself the King of Kurdistan in November." That would support what I said: Mahmud arrested the British after being appointed governor. But the account is different: this source tells us he was appointed governor in 1922. The former - more reliable but in this point confusing - source tells us, it was in 1919. Anybody to research and clean up the mess? Thank you!--Ilyacadiz (talk) 12:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing account 

message: The final section, death and legacy, seems very personal and non-encyclopaedic.
It is acceptable, I'd say, to talk about his legacy in Kurdistan, but to write sentences like "He was a true and loyal Kurd" is a personal statement and reads more like someone giving praise to him, not describing his actual legacy in Kurdistan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.64.177 (talk) 17:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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