Talk:Göttingen Seven

message: My German is rusty, but taking a look at the sources, I do not believe that they are reliable. You should have someone whose German is better verify this, though.
*www.agronomia.de - This appears to be a self-published website. WP:SPS
*The Göttinger filters and William Eduard Weber - "Wir sind eine Arbeitsgruppe von Seniorenstudierenden der Universität Leipzig, die ihre Tätigkeit mit Unterstützung der Universität selbstständig organisiert und gestaltet." - This looks like a self-published, student page.
*Göttinger seven 1837 - I think this self-published by Markus Gail (see ). 
*The Gottingen Filters - This site lists no author and requests that the reader contact a press and communications department for more information. It is not a scholarly source (as far as I can tell), it is just the university's page on itself.
*Die Göttinger Sieben - This appears to be a self-published website as well.
What about using some of the books listed on these sites, such as Die Göttinger Sieben. Kritik einer Legende? 
Also, having at least one English source would be good, I think. (Wikipedia.en tends to assume that its readers are proficient only in English.) What about a general history of Germany in the nineteenth century? Certainly, it would make a passing reference to this event? Awadewit | talk 01:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have got at least 10 book sources now, so the reliability of source matter has been fixed up. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The biggest problem with the prose in this article is its wordiness; there are a lot of extraneous words and phrases. You might take a look at this helpful guide on writing. Although aimed at FAC articles, it is a good general article on writing as well. Awadewit | talk 01:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I have fixed some of this... I just can't see it very much. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prose

message: This article seems to contradict that on the Brothers Grimm, that says only one of them was expelled.  I believe only Jakob was actually expelled, though both were dismissed.  Also, I have a reference to a book which discusses the King's motivations and legal basis for annulling the Constitution.  I'll put it in a bit later.--Wehwalt 14:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Re expulsions

message: Hello Anonymous Dissident,
first of all, thank you for writing this article.
One problem however: currently, this article gives some very strange citations (permant link to this version). Examples: For the fact, that Wilhelm and Jacob Grimm are known together as the Brothers Grimm, it cites a book "Intellectual Mastery of Nature: Theoretical Physics from Ohm to Einstein". King Ernst declared that it was his aim and ambition to make the necessary changes to the constitution, this fact can be found in "Portraits of pioneers in psychology"?
Somehow it seems that the connection between the references and the text has been lost during the edits. Is it possible for you to correct this?
Regards --Cyfal (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange Sources 

message: The final sentence in this article states:
The efforts of the Göttingen Seven outlived each of them, and the impact they caused on German politics at large can be, in some part, attributed to the creation of a liberal republic in Germany.
What does this sentence mean?
Normally, the "impact" of a person is attributed to the person himself and perhaps to the circumstances surrounding him.  For example, the impact of Teddy Roosevelt on American politics is attributable to Roosevelt himself, and to the political situation during his life.  It would seem very odd to state that "the impact of Teddy Roosevelt on American Politics can be attributed to the Vietnam War", since that war happened long after TR's death.
Yet this sentence seems to be saying that the impact of a protest in 1837 is "in some part attributed to" the creation of a liberal Republic in Germany, which did not happen until 1919 -- or, if you want to stretch things, 1848.  But either way, how can the impact of their protest be attributed to something that happened afterward?
Did the writer of this sentence mean it the other way around -- that the creation of a liberal German republic is attributed to the Göttingen Seven?  — Lawrence King (talk) 01:00, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing sentence 

message: The current version that the two Grimm brothers were the only members of the Göttingen Seven that were banished from the country (i.e. the Kingdom of Hanover) is incorrect and is also not supported by the given sources. Johson and Iba write that the Grimm Brothers chose to "sign, along with five other noteworthy professors, the protest of the 'Göttingen Seven', an act that led to their firing an banishment from Göttingen." (p. 14) They neither state an explicit number of people that were banished, nor do they mention a country-wide banishment. In this source, "their banishment" could as well apply to all seven scholars. Holborn instead is very explicit about the event and has been cited wrongly in our article: "Dahlmann, Jacob Grimm and Gervinus were forced to leave Hanover within three days." (p. 28) This version is supported by Kraus in the recent issue of Damals (pp 40–41). That's why I'm now going to correct the article. De728631 (talk) 14:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the fix!  Unfortunately, when wrong information is put on a page, it becomes almost permanent if someone puts a footnote after it.  Glad you were able to verify this wrongly-cited data. — Lawrence King (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banishment