Talk:Mace Windu/Archive 1

message: Note: I removed all of the comment of Mace Windu being alive from this talk page when I archived it was just spam because George Lucas said he was dead so please don't bring it back up it might end up with people vandalizing the article saying he is alive. thank you--Team6and7 22:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

message: :"Mace Windu was outnumbered by Gank killers. Master Windu said only three words, "It's your decision," placing his hand on his Jedi weapon. Each of the thugs lowered their weapons and surrendered. This is a tale Mace Windu would neither confirm nor deny."
Is there a canonical source for this, or is it original research? --Skyraider 16:12, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  The quotation has since been updated and cited as from Shatterpoint, but Amazon appears to have the entire text of that novel online, and I could not find any part of that quotation in that text.  Other web sites (aside from Wikipedia and Wikiquote, which cite Shatterpoint) cite it from The New Essential Guide to Characters.  Amazon does NOT have the full text of that book, so I can't search it for a reference.  Powers 02:33, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite needed 

message: :"Before this he tried to convince Anakin to kill Palpatine."
I think that this is just overemphsizing on the fact that a conflicted Anakin Skywalker severs Mace's right hand. I think that it should be omitted. --A.J. 15:23, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overemphasization. 

message: I've heard him called this several times in the Ep. III novelization by Matthew Stover.  What does it mean? --OneWeirdDude 01:21, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He's refering back to his previous book, Shatterpoint, where it's established that Mace Windu is a Korunnai, from Haruun Kal. --LtNOWIS 20:29, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Korun" Master 

message: This is about that image that's labeled "Feint, or deliberation?"
I'm not that much of a Star Wars fan, so please excuse me if this has ever been pointed out on a Star Wars site, but...
When Mace does that spin and it seems to leave him obviously open, if the Emperor advanced on him, he could have been exposed to an easy counter (easy depending on how good Mace was) and if Mace was using the spin as a "fakeout" to make him advance. I've seen several martial art matches where someone makes an elaborate turn as a feint. The Emperor's blade was not in immediate swinging range, so he couldn't have him Mace without moving forward a bit...
Just an observation of mine; although give that this is a movie, maybe I'm putting too much realism into the thought.
:You definitely are :).  As I recall, Nick Gillard wrote a little essay after ROTS came out, where he pointed out a number of other unlikely and unrealistic moves in the choreography (in fact, I think he even mentioned the constant spinning as one of them), and said that from a real perspective, they'd lose very quickly. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 17:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Something that should be kept in mind when reviewing the Mace v.s. Sidious duel is that originally Gillard, according to the DVD commentary of Episode III, was planning to have stunt doubles do all the work. When Lucas found this out (a bit too late), he told Nick "no" and told him to teach Ian and Sam everything-- Lucas allegedly wanted an "upclose" duel with the faces of both the protagonist and the antagonist in very clear view, and although digital imagery replacement has become fairly advanced, it wouldn't look as realistic. So Ian and Sam learned a lot of their choreography late in the movie, and so they didn't get too much practice. This in part explains why the Mace v.s. Sidious duel looks "fishy" to some people. It's not just the spinning, spins are fine, it's when you do them that matters and the timing in the duel doesn't seem that accurate, again because of what I already mentioned. Maybe if someone has time later, they can add a section to the Mace v.s. Palpatine debate with a direct quote from the DVD commentary on this.  -- Solberg 19:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feint, or deliberation? 

message: For the Mace Windu page and many other Star Wars pages I think, the chronology describing the Windu v.s. Sidious duel is incorrect. Example:
"Just at Mace's apparent moment of victory, Skywalker arrives, only to see Windu's intimidating form towering hostilely over the prone Chancellor. Thinking of Padmé, Anakin insists that Windu not destroy the seemingly defeated Sith Lord. Using their disagreement as an opportunity, Palpatine blasts Windu with a torrent of Force lightning."
No, actually Anakin does not insist that Windu not destroy Palpatine until *after* the barrage of lightning, when Windu finally makes up his mind that there will be no arrest. (Palpatine starts the blast after Windu tells him "you have LOST.") Should this chronology be altered on all the pages or is it too trivial?  -- Solberg 19:58, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad chronology 

message: Compare: 
"...The character profiles for both Windu and Palpatine on the official Star Wars website describe Windu as gaining the advantage, and make no mention of Palpatine throwing the fight. However in the DVD of Revenge of the Sith Lucas indicates that indeed Palpatine could have defeated Windu had he wanted, and that the entire lightning struggle was in fact an act by Palpatine to get Anakin to turn. However Lucas mentioned nothing about the Duel before...."
"...Pablo Hidalgo once addressed the matter in a special Homing Beacon article, coming to the conclusion that only George Lucas has the answer."  
Well, didn't Lucas already "have the answer?"  Anyone know which section of the DVD has Lucas mentioning that Palpatine could have defeated Windu if he really wanted to?  I already posted this question on the page of the person who first added that tidbit to the page, but there was no response.  I'm not entirely sure if Lucas explicitly confirmed this, or if it's just something that the poster thought was inferrable from the commentaries.  I have the DVD and could watch it all over again to verify this, but if anyone already knows the section of the DVD, it'd save me the trouble.  Thanks.  - Solberg 09:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the offical websites did not mention anything about faking. And the author of that Homing Beacon issue also could not confirm it. For DVD, Lucas mentioned it in Audio Commentary (Chapter 27 - Mace vs. Sidious) that (something like:) "It was always Mace overpowering Palpatine and Palpatine try to kill Mace with his power. Then Mace deflect his ray with his sword, next Anakin step in and change the tide. The part which Palpatine pretend to lose his power (Obviously GL wanna talk about the lightning cease fire instead of faking the saber duel / disarmed) I added in the last minute."
Darth Kevinmhk 04:22, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory information on Windu's page 

message: Lets have a vote, should we transfer the quotes to the Wikiquote wiki? --Tutmosis 15:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Move. --maru  (talk) contribs 21:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: "He is an excellent chief mentor and considered a wise and powerful Jedi Consular/Guardian Master of the Jedi Order." Isn' that biased?--Tdxiang 陈 鼎 翔 (Talk)ContributionsContributions Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 10:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit POV, perhaps, but not as bad as if he was a real person.  As a fictional character, it's ok to speak of his characteristics like that because it's part of his characterization and more-or-less obvious to anyone who's watched the films.  It'd be like saying "Charlie Brown is the wishy-washy, inept, and insecure protagonist of Peanuts, largely considered an object of derision by his peers," is POV.  Powers 13:20, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Just kidding. After all the ridiculous theories on this page, why not start up another pointless debate. Let's just say...Lando is Mace Windu's secret son (the one he always wanted to forget).—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.210.31.168 (talk • contribs) 23:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're really not helping.  I just spent thirty minutes tagging all of your comments because you couldn't be bothered to sign them, not to mention reverting the changes you made to other editors' comments.  Please don't do that again.  Powers 12:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: See Lightsaber combat#Form VII: Juyo / Vaapad.  Vaapad is basically Windu's personal variant on Juyo, but both are Form VII, and he was far from the first to use Form VII.  Powers 14:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lando Calrissian is Mace Windu's son 

message: , ok all you guyz make good points about this, i just wanted to add this. Windu should of took him prisoner right and he should of not tryed to kill him and that anikin was right in doing what he did for the good of the jedi and the rebublic huh. Sorry enough siduous use this to convert ankin to the dark side right, ok if windu was so bad of what he done then aninkin should of never been there in the 1st place right, was in not anikin in the begging of the movie who cut the hard off of a helpless sith lored named count doku... please correct me if im worng. so aninkin had the balls to oppose a jedi who out ranked him even though he was put in the same situation and did far wores than what the windu had did. my point is its not windu fault it is anikins. We all know that the reason he didnt want him to die was cause he tought he could save his wife he he let him live(when infact we all know that the vision he had was still to come true due to his own action...so anikin is resposible for the death of his wife) So indded it is not windus fault but more that anikin own weak ass right. He was put in the same situiation and had the never to actully kill, what if obi-wan where not knocked out and put in the same position as he was...DO u think obi-wan would have stuck him down?[added by sirbizzy]
: Please don't replace section headers with your comments as you did in this edit.  Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~ instead of "[added by sirbizzy]".  Thanks!  Powers T 15:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yea its me once again

message: This page has clearly been vandalized.
--Illusio80 13:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...so fix it. Be bold in the face of vandalism. EVula 14:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism