Talk:Perfluoro(2-methyl-3-pentanone)

message: Novec is a brand name for fluorinated compounds produced by 3M Corporation.  The code "1230" is one product of a family of product codes used under the Novec brand used exclusively in fire suppression.  3M solely owns the rights to the brand name Novec, the product known as 3M Novec 1230 Fire Protection Fluid and 3M controls the distribution rights of the product to select fire suppression system manufacturers.  The fluid is seperate from the system when it is described.  For instance, there is no such thing as a Novec 1230 System.  There are systems that use Novec 1230 fluid.  There are also systems that use the numerals 1230 to describe the system.  However, the fluid can only be referred to as Novec 1230, when referenced the commercial name or by its chemical name or Ashrae description used in NFPA 2001 as FK-5-1-12.  Sapphire is a brand name owned by Tyco Corporation.  Sapphire is a system and it is not the fluid or liquid used in the system.  I will be working to correct the article titled Novec 1230 to assure accuracy in the way that it is described.  I am employed by no one to do this and I have several years of experience in fire suppression, to include working with Novec 1230 fluid from the day it was invented as a fire suppression fluid.  If there are questions related to how I have interpreted this material, it is suggested that 3M Marketing be contacted for clarification.  It is my understanding that misuse of the Novec brand name and the products associated with it is justification for actions against those who misuse it to include cancellation of supply contracts with system manufacturers who misuse the brand name.  Previous changes to this article removed certain references to companies that manufacture systems useing Novec 1230 fluid.  These references will be reinserted into this article by reference.63.226.152.55 15:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I've added a paragraph discussing the safety implications of Novec 1230 use over halon, since safety is a key characteristic of these systems. Jonathanstade (talk) 20:04, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safety 

message: "Environmentally friendly" is a pretty vague and broad term for a chemical description. I'm tempted to remove the phrase all together, but I simply added the citation needed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pshmell (talk • contribs) 00:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Environmentally friendly? 

message: "a heat of vaporization of 88.1 kJ/kga and low vapor pressure"
Or is it a new unit I haven't heard of? I'm changing it to kJ/kg in the mean time.
--Glubbdrubb (talk) 17:40, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a typo? 

message: This page is fully dedicated to a specific brand of product. This molecule no longer has any patents globally and now there are about 8 companies who manufacture this molecule. This page domain should be changed to FK-5-1-12 and the novec 649/1230 page should be the redirect to FK-5-1-12.
WIkipedia should be about the molecule and chemistry not used as a sales tool for one company. Smootheater (talk) 03:53, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for a total overhaul 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. As originally proposed. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 03:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Novec 649/1230 →  – The chemical name is a more appropriate title than a pair of brand names for products that contain the chemical.  In the section above, User:Smootheater has suggested the title FK-5-1-12.  I'm not sure of the provenance of that name, but if it is a neutral name or identifier not specific to any company or brand, I'd be fine with that name too. Reba16 (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 October 2022