Talk:List of YTMND fads/Archive 1

message: An anonymous user placed a suggestion to merge this article with the main YTMND article. I removed the suggestion until the author of the merge comes and states their case. Furthermore the  merge guidelines for proposing a merge state that you are to place the merge suggestion link on the source article (the one that will disappear after the merge), and the anonymous user placed the merge suggestion on BOTH articles. Finally I think that merging the two article is a very bad idea. The articles were separated in the first place because the admins/mods were giving us the evil eye for having a crufty main article and it was done in a bid to help the YTMND article survive another deletion attempt. Even after the articles were separated the YTMND article was STILL deleted, and then ultimately resurrected again. We actually separated out MORE of the content of the main article to keep it from being deleted again.. so merging the two articles would just be a step backwards and would ultimately put our articles at risk for deletion again. Thanks. Celerityfm 15:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, as I recall, it was moved because it was getting too unweildy on the YTMND page. I mean, it started out small, then it got bigger, then we trimmed it down and let the large one loose here, and people still were making the shorter list on the YTMND article huge, so eventually I just removed the list and left the paragraph that's at the bottom of this list (which probably should be in the YTMND article if it isn't already - the paragraph, that is, not the list). Yeah. The whole "deletion" issue was more an issue AFTER we undeleted it, I think. --Shadow Hog 21:51, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for setting the record straight sir. I agree with you the two should remain seperated. Keep up the great work! Celerityfm 22:03, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, I originally noticed how over half of the article was listing the fads. I thought that they should split off, and the biggest fads were to be kept on the main article. Although eventually they were removed from the main article entirely. Either way, this needs to be a seperate article because otherwise, the YTMND article gets too large. —MESSEDROCKER (talk) 00:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Well said. 100% agreed. Celerityfm 16:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with main YTMND article? 

message: Would all those ytmnd's involving Hitler count as a fad or are they too diverse to be a fad.
Also I've seen varitations on the Harry Potter spoiler fad (the one that has the spoiler underlined) with something else, jesusspoil.ytmnd.com/ Johhny-turbo 03:18, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Hitler could be added, but should note that many Hitler ones are present. I also noticed many that deal with The Maury Show's "You are not the father." My brother has been on that site for a few days, noticed many recurring themes, like Gay Fuel, Halo, Final Fantasy, Moskau, etc. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 19:25, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Usually a fad has consistency to a style. Hitler is just a recurring "character" in YTMND.--S.M. 22:41, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have a section on recurring themes/characters, or this is just primarily for fads? Zscout370 (Sound Off) 23:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Would Hitler count? 

message: That is his theme music that is used in the various YTMNDs. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 19:29, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that Hassan is not going to be on Smackdown, I have seen some tribute videos came up. I would not be surprised this fad fades quickly. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 21:16, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muhammed Hassan 

message: We need to discuss if Cloudsong and Dante's line are fads. Searching for any of the Dante-related YTMNDs ("should have", "should've", "Dark soul", and even "saved") resulted in very meager turnouts. Cloudsong also resulted in only one page. Would these be considered fads? ShadowMan1od 07:26, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking about it, I suppose that, at this point, neither are fads... yet. --Shadow Hog 14:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree on that one, too. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 17:55, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'm considering listing Cloudsong as a fad now. ytmnd.com/list/?search=cloudsong&user= ShadowMan1od 16:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think it may not be a fad, since all I keep on seeing is non=Cloudsong related or just one video repeating "n.... stole my Cloudsong." Zscout370 (Sound Off) 16:48, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Had to correct the entry in the article to DAoC :) Celerityfm 21:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cloudsong/Dante debate 

message: I searched to see how Wikipedia is treated at YTMND. Here is what I found: www.ytmnd.com/list/?search=Wiki&user= Zscout370 (Sound Off) 06:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's all SNAPE KILLS stuff. :P ShadowMan1od 07:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen others where we fail at spelling, or others fail. Example, the guy who did Moskau died of AIDS, and it showed our page with the losing horns from the Price is Right. The same happened with the guy who did Tarzan Boy. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 19:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, I'd been half-expecting sites concerning us being so selective over what is and isn't a fad. :) --Shadow Hog 20:32, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly, it was just vandalism stuff they have done to us. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:37, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And mostly Harry Potter, too. Meh, well, at least the lamers haven't exactly come knocking THIS way... though I do feel a bit sorry for the HP fans trying to take these guys on. --Shadow Hog 20:45, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Uh, I am not sure. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just for giggles 

message: It appears users constantly post "Clips from The Simpsons/Family Guy" as a fad.  This does not qualify as a fad.  These are just clips from a tv show.  A moment from either show that gets overdone in multiple topics can be considered a fad though.
:The only thing I can probably pull from here is the Family Guy "In Soviet Russia....," but I am not sure if that is a fad all by itself. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 00:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Guy/The Simpsons 

message: That song is on quite a few YTMNDs Johhny-turbo 20:18, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I seen a few myself. Some are from Team America, some are from Family Guy. Zscout370 (Sound Off) 20:32, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Holy **** this creeped me out, I was singing this song 5 seconds before I noticed it was in the Talk page. Anyway, it seems like a fad to me. ShadowMan1od 21:45, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Everyone has AIDS! 

message: I deleted a bunch of links to sites in the article because they're easy to find, and my decision to remove the link to picard.ytmnd.com was reverted because of what happened on the discussion page. But that was just one guy proposing it as a compromise, one agreement, and not a word from anybody else. It might have been practical at the time it was proposed, but it seems excessive now. We need to keep these pages lean and mean.
My question is what's the rationale for offering a link for that and not others?
Gay Fuel has just as many sites as Picard but I think it'd be just as ridiculous to link to gayfuelwtf.ytmnd.com.
And supposing the rationale is the difference in views, # of sites, abstract impact on the site, etc, it still doesn't explain why we need to link to the original. The search function does the work just fine. Is there some reasoning that I'm missing here? It seems as soon as you open the gates for one example link, you're letting a whole flood of them come in to clutter up this page.
:I agree on removing the search links, but seeing as how the Picard tribute is the most famous YTMND ever (and the main reason the site has so many visitors), it's significant enough to stay. ShadowMan1od 03:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary site links 

message: Another from my big string of edits that got reverted and I want to turn it to the talk page for discussion.
What's everybody else's opinion on it? A YTMND search for "cage" brings up only two pages of results, and just as many of them are about Johnny Cage or some other unrelated topic.
Do we really need to dedicate space (and it's a whole LOT of space with how wordy it is) to what was a blip on the YTMND radar? Cage is banned and not a whole lot of sites still exist about the guy. And calling it a "period" puts it on an equivalent level with things like "The 2004 unmoderated period," and things that actually defined the workings of YTMND. This "period" was one guy trolling and getting banned. Doesn't seem like historical significance to me. Hopefully we can make some progress here instead of getting me into a revert war with this other guy.
*waves* I'm other guy. I think we mentioned the Cage fad a while back on the Talk Page (or at least I did), then someone else mentioned it. It was pretty major at the time when I saw; Cage made about 150 Harry Potter YTMNDs, and there were at least two anti-Cage YTMNDs in the top 5 at one point. It's now basically a footnote, but it's at least worth mentioning now. ShadowMan1od 03:38, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Anti-Cage Period." 

message: To User 24.9.8.61, Although I can't think of anything to describe what you did, what I am saying is temporary, and I am saying that...this is not a fair way to revise a wiki. It's just too much. There are some information that you have killed off that could be of use. It doesn't make sense to revert or delete EVERY piece of information in there that YOU see is bad, but sometimes it's good the way it is. All I am saying is please place some of the information that you have removed and let Shadow Hog worry about that. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 04:11, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
* I'm undoing months of neglect and bloat. The list was bloated already, causing it to move to its own page. The main YTMND page has had a cleanup tag on it for a while that nobody did anything about. I'm not going to wait around for another user just because he or she is a frequent editor. I got a message from one of the admins commending the cleanup efforts, so I take that as a plenty good sanction for what I'm doing. And yes, some of the information you reverted back is true. But the point was that it wasn't exactly relevant. I'd have appreciated more if you brought it here BEFORE reverting that. --24.9.8.61 04:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Overkill of Wiki Editing

message: What about Boil 'Em. It's one of the most popular YTMNDs.
* but how many YTMNDs are based on "Boil 'Em"? I would think fads should have at least two search pages come up. a quick search seems to indicate that there are very few YTMNDs based on this song. - Stoph 00:39, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boil Em 

message: He seems to have quite a few YTMNDs made about him. Wuld he count? Johhny-turbo 04:15, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adverb 

message: He's got two pages of YTMNDs about him so I would guess he's defnitly a fad. (also should he go under "Video Game realted YTMNDs" or "Politics related YTMNDS"_. Johhny-turbo 22:30, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Thompson 

message: I'm not sure if people consider www.googlefight.com a fad. But in my book, YTMND has had a NUMBER of googlefight submisions. I did a search for googlefight on YTMND, and there's plenty of YTMND's of them. So, I don't see why it can't be considered a fad.
www.ytmnd.com/list/?search=googlefight&user=
: I don't see why not. ShadowMan1od 05:49, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GoogleFight 

message: * momwithpms.ytmnd.com/
* ownedstepdad.ytmnd.com/
* wowseriousbusiness.ytmnd.com/
* mytur.ytmnd.com/
i like these. does anyone know anymore? -- Zondor 17:54, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  conversational argument fads 

message: To decide what constutites a fad, maybe we should use the number of times it comes up. For example anything that spawns more than 25 YTMND's could fall in. [The number is flexible, and can be changed.] Pacific Coast Highway 19:24, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
I usually go by "Over a page when it comes up on search. ShadowMan1od 03:35, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A magic number? 

message: A scene from the Anchorman movie where Brick Tamland throws a fork and kills someone is pretty much popular for now......
www.ytmnd.com/list/?search=brick+kill&user=
(And few others...... like "Brick is a Nazi!" (brickworldwarii.ytmnd.com/))
Can this be considered as a fad?
:No. Ozone31 made them all, save one or two. Like transistors or Cage's HP stuff (which I don't think should be listed if it is), this is not a fad. --Shadow Hog 22:30, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anchorman 

message: It appears that there is at least 1 whole page of ytmnds relating to Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans.  Is this fad-worty?
:Hurricanes as a whole are a fad, so yeah. ShadowMan1od 03:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Katrina 

message: What about Hot Coffee?
:No. People, just because a lot of jokes are made about a specific recent event doesn't make it a bona fide fad. It'd have to be something very, VERY similar to qualify - all the Vader YTMNDs had the "Nooooooo" sound clip, most of the "What is Love" YTMNDs involved head-bobbing in a car, almost all the Sonic-fad YTMNDs use the same "Sonic Says" clip... THAT is a definite fad. Katrina, Hot Coffee, Jack Thompson... they're just popular butts of many jokes, really, not fads. --Shadow Hog 02:09, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hot Coffee 

message: ShadowMan1od, you reverted my edit of Bushisms >> Bushisms (in the Politics section) and I wanted to know why. If you read the Wikipedia editing guides, and the piped link structure, you will see that the words is the prefered format. I am reverting the edit for now, but if you have a legitiment reason for changing it, please tell me. Thanks, Mysekurity 19:22, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's under Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Links and URLs. Happy editing. -Mysekurity  e-mail 22:59, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Firstly, please sign your posts, (or consider registering), and secondly, to answer your question, YTMND has many sites, some are considered fads, and others are not. The nature of YTMND (and most of the internet as a whole) means that there will be several fads that have short-term effect. This page is already very long, and it's only 4 years old. My point is that we cannot list every single page seen as a fad on YTMND, only the most clearly fad-material (which most of this is not). We regularly prune the article to weed out fads that are not (yet) notable enough to stay on the list. I have a different criterion than the next guy, and therefore, what I might choose to delete, someone else says should stay, and vice-versa. To answer your question simply; it wasn't deemed notable enough to stay on the list. Hope this helps (and sign your posts! [use 4 tildes (~)]). -Mysekurity  e-mail 01:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bushisms 

message: Should YTMND's about Emo be considered a fad? There are like TONS of pages that list people, animals, fictional characters, and inanimate objects being Emo. I'm surprized I haven 't seen it being listed as a YTMND fad. Isn't Emo some musical group or something? I always thought/figured 'Emo' was short for being 'Emotional'.
:Outside of Linkin Park, no, not really. Like I said, common butt of a joke, not a fad. --Shadow Hog 19:03, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emo 

message: Sure, they haven't really hit the Site Listing pages yet, but YTMNDs complaining or making fun of the New Nintendo Revolution controller are quite imminent, don't you agree?
:It seems like a major fad to me. It doesn't have a set image or sound, but it's a fad alright. ShadowMan1od
::Again, butt of a joke, not really a fad. If this is a fad, then you could argue Hitler is a fad, and we've already agreed he isn't.
::We should make "butt of a joke" one of the guidelines... it's not a fad unless they're all very similar in some fashion. In this case, all we have is the target, and that's not really enough. (Yeah, I know this disqualifies the already-listed - IIRC - PS3 controller fad, and that doesn't really bother me, since I don't think that was a fad either.) --Shadow Hog 05:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo Revolution? 

message: Apparently, I'm hearing the Brown Derbies version of Tarzan Boy more and more. Does this deserve to be edited in? Pacific Coast Highway 02:49, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarzan Boy: The Acapella Remix 

message: Would this be considered a fad? --Iggy Koopa 01:59, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume the rocks would still fall under the category of 'Katamari Democracy' since they are somewhat similar. Katamari Democracy is a rolling ball of various objects, while a rock is just a big huge rolling ball. 01:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. The focus of the "Can't Stop the Rock" fad is someone running from a rock and not the rolling ball itself. Iggy Koopa 15:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Various YTMNDs involving rocks accompanied by Apollo 440 - Stop the Rock 

message: Should medieval tapestry count if it gets a page? It qualifies as a fad SO FAR, but all it needs is a few more sites. Piroteknix 02:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medieval Tapestry 

message: This article was nominated for deletion on 16 October 2005.
The result of the discussion was no consensus. 
An archived record of this discussion can be found here.
Even though the AfD discussion did not lead to a consensus to delete the article, there was a consensus for cutting it down in size, and perhaps merge it with YTMND. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:16, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD discussion 

message: I've gone ahead and cut off several things that I cannot verify are actual fads, or are just popular targets of hate and such (sorry, Jack Thompson really isn't a fad). This does include some popular YTMNDs, but they were removed because popularity != fads.
This list likely can be trimmed down further... Other than that, if you have a gripe, feel free to bring it up, preferably on a case-by-base basis. --Shadow Hog 05:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we agree on an objective standard for a noteworthy fad?  Say, it needs to produce at least one (or two, or whatever) full page(s) of results in a search query to make the cut here?
-- The Invisible Hand 12:01, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs to be more than that, though. I can get three pages on pie, but pie obviously isn't a fad. As for HOW to expand it... that's the tricky part. --Shadow Hog 12:49, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We also need to eliminate more minor fads and keep only the most significant ones. For example, Zordon (a random one I picked from the list) isn't that significant, and I haven't seen many YTMNDs made from it. I also think that fads that were popular for a week then died down (Revolution controller, hurricanes, etc) need to be grouped together/have a separate category. -ShadowMan1od 05:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Trimming

message: Anyone opposed to me adding this fad? There's been quite a few of these recently. gtdp 17:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes; IIRC, it's already on here. --Shadow Hog 19:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, so it is. I thought I looked carefully as well... oh well. Thanks. gtdp 20:14, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facial Expressions fad...