Talk:City upon a Hill

message: The phrase city upon a hill also is an important part of the preceding Old Testament verses Isaiah 2.2 and Micah 4.5. In other speeches 
In other speeches, Winthrop clearly states the relation of his use of the phrase with Micah, not the Sermon on the Mount, as this Wikipedia article claims.
“We shall be as a city upon a hill…”, Jonathan Winthrop
	Now the onely way to… provide for our posterity, is to followe the counsell of Micah, to doe justly, to love mercy, to walk humbly with our God. For this end, wee must be knitt together, in this worke, as one man. Wee must entertaine each other in brotherly affection. Wee must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of other's necessities. Wee must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekeness, gentlenes, patience and liberality. Wee must delight in eache other; make other's conditions our oune; rejoice together, mourne together, labour and suffer together, allwayes haueving before our eyes our commission and community in the worke, as members of the same body. Soe shall wee keepe the unitie of the spirit in the bond of peace. 
	As the God of the Old Testament held out the choice between good and evil to the children of Israel on the threshold of the Promised Land, so did He to these new Israelites.  If people act for and with each other,
	The Lord will be our God, and delight to dwell among us, as his oune people, and will command a blessing upon us in all our wayes. Soe that wee shall see much more of his wisdome, power, goodness and truthe, than formerly wee haue been acquainted with. Wee shall finde that the God of Israell is among us, when ten of us shall be able to resist a thousand of our enemies; when hee shall make us a prayse and glory that men shall say of succeeding plantations, "the Lord make it likely that of New England." For wee must consider that wee shall be as a citty upon a hill. The eies of all people are uppon us. (p 47) 
	Page references are to John Winthrop’s sermon aboard the Arbella, before his reinforcements to the Puritan settlement landed in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, 1630, “A Modell of Christian Charity,” Collections of the Massachusetts Historical Society, Boston, 1838, 3rd series 7:31-48. http://history.hanover.edu/texts/winthmod.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.112.10.39 (talk) 21:19, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong Source?

message: This page needs a notice saying "the neutrality of this article is disputed"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.213.97.35 (talk) 14:59, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Which part? -LlywelynII (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality disputed

message: FWIW, ten years later in 1640 Peter Bulkeley, a prominent New Englander, wrote, "We are as a city set upon a hill, in the open view of all the earth; the eyes of the world are upon us because we profess ourselves to be a people in covenant with God, and therefore not only the Lord our God, with whom we have made covenant, but heaven and earth, angels and men, that are witnesses of our profession, will cry shame upon us, if we walk contrary to the covenant which we have professed and promised to walk in."  -- Someone else 22:22, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Alex S 22:32, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to help. Also, I think I remember Ronald Reagan making a "City on a Hill" speech, and I think there was a filmed documentary with that title, though I think it used it ironically.  -- Someone else 22:40, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Peter Bulkeley

message: Do you believe that modern america could be considered a city upon a hill in winthrops view?
:Winthrop's sermon is a very misinterpreted piece of literature.  Sometime when I have more time I will have to rewrite this article.  Winthrop never intended America to be an example for the rest of the world.  If you want to know more, read Perry Miller's An Errand into the Wilderness, as well as articles debating him.  If you need more help just ask.  --Lord Voldemort 20:51, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake... I meant Miller's Marrow of Puritan Divinity.  Sorry for the mistake. --Lord Voldemort 20:56, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been rewritten since you wrote that, Voldemort.  It did misinterpret the statement; it now more nearly reflects his original meaning.  Please discuss if you plan to revise the interpretation substantially.  flux.books 21:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Your thoughts

message: "Of course, breaking a covenant with God has dire results (as Noah's fellow men learned the hard way)."  
Is this really fit for an encyclopedia? 209.6.3.46 01:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really need to ask? :) -LlywelynII (talk) 21:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  as Noah's fellow men learned the hard way 

message: "molded an extremely stable and rigidly-structured society"
I wouldn't say the Puritans were always very stable. Bradford discusses outbreaks of "wickedness" and they had many cases of 
bestiality along with other problems. They did everything to remain stable but eventually their society fell apart.--Krezer 01:17, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Stable Society"? 

message: Is there any recognized connection to Jeremiah 30:18  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fundamentisto (talk • contribs) 22:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jeremiah 30:18 

message: Someone has pointed out that General Eisenhower used the phrase "City Upon a Hill" in an address to the troops on the eve of the invasion of Normandy.  Does anyone have information on this? - Dolores119 
:I don't, but that would be pretty major, yeah. -LlywelynII (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Eisenhower

message: The edit prior to mine made many fine, unsourced, original points about the nature of Puritanism, its history, and its true nature versus common misconceptions. Wonderful if someone needs a term paper.
Sadly, poorly wikied and almost zero relation to this article. -LlywelynII (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History of Puritanism

message: Bad. -LlywelynII (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Block Quotes of Entire Speeches

message: I'm willing to accept that the JFK and Reagan uses were the most important for reviving the idea and recontextualizing it to its modern meaning of America as an example of liberty, democracy, and ... well, American values (although Lincoln never mentioned it? Really?) but it'd be nice to have some commentary and sources about that. -LlywelynII (talk) 22:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements

message: In response to a question above, my subject line is the generally used title of the sermon, at least in all of the anthologies in which I've encountered and taught it. In this, I'm thinking of the anthology I use now, The Heath Anthology of American Literature (5th), but also the McGraw Hills The American Tradition in Literature (12th) and The Norton Anthology of American Literature (7th). 168.156.168.253 (talk) 15:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Modell of Christian Charity 

message: There seems to be a glaring lack of references here, especially for some of the quotes. The quotes attributed to Bush and Obama are identical, which I assume is incorrect. On the whole, this article seems very confusing and subjective.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudzington (talk • contribs) 21:26, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of references, confusing statements, bad quotes. 

message: This looks so much like a Wikipedia article, but it's not. It's from SourceWatch the website for the The Center for Media and Democracy. Anybody know what this is about?
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/America_is_a_shining_city_upon_a_hill  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ileanadu (talk • contribs) 17:56, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia like article re City on a Hill on SourceWatch website 

message: IDK why. However, when viewing this article using the Wikipedia preview feature of the Reddit Enhancement Suite, it reads the following:
When viewing the site logged out (or possibly simply without having a Wikipedia style that isn't the default), the top right of the site is bugged out:
I don't know why.
:: This has been fixed (preceding unsigned comment by me) Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything (talk) 16:13, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page breaks Wikipedia's site styling