Talk:Relics associated with Jesus

message: Notice: This is a daughter article of Jesus Christ - It was taken from the mother page made to alleviate the size of the older article.
WhisperToMe 07:19, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Daughter article

message: I've moved the page to Relics of Jesus from Alleged relics of Jesus, as the latter puts forward a particular POV. I don't believe that any of the relics are real, but some people do, so putting "alleged" is hardly NPOV! --G Rutter 10:09, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved this page to "Relics attributed to Jesus", to make it reflect the name of the category, after the discussion on the name of the category. This was agreed to be the most NPOV name for the category, and so is also obviously the best name for the lead article. --G Rutter 09:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: Why is this flagged needing references? This is almost a wiki-link-farm, mostly linking to the relevant article, which would contain the required references. Yngvarr (t) (c) 01:07, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needing references? 

message: The knife reputedly used by Jesus and apostles to slice bread during the Last Supper was permanently exhibited in the Logetta (gilded entrance hall) of the famous venetian "Campanile di San Marco". I don't know if it was destroyed when the belltower collapsed in 1902. The Campanile had been cracking for a week previously, so maybe they had the mind to remove the relic collection beforehand. 82.131.210.163 (talk) 11:09, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please provide references for this assumption. Thanks Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 20:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Reference:   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.131.210.163 (talk) 12:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Here is the full reference. "Belin, Julien-Léonard (1843) (in French), Le Simplon et l'Italie septentrionale: promenades et pèlerinages, Belin-Leprieur, p. 218" 
Alberto Fernandez Fernandez (talk) 15:36, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocket knife 

message: Several editors tried to prevent including material from that book, voicing an opinion of the authors that "the results of numerous time-consuming and comprehensive analyses, conducted using the most technologically advanced equipment available, seemed to coincide with assertions prevalent in Christian tradition.", under the pretext of RS. For discussion of the matter, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Is_a_book_by_a_journalist_and_a_photographer_a_reliable_source_for_an_analysis_of_religious_relics.3F 
Ignatius is a serious Catholic publisher, I don't know why books published by them should be excluded from Wikipedia -except someone's hostility to Catholicism. If we exclude Górny, then we should also exclude Carrol-Cruz -catholic writer as well, and Nickell, sceptical writer, who is much more biased (against any relics) than any Catholic source -so his book is not the sort of book that should be used to write a neutral article. The statement is an opinion cited, not a fact. Besides there is no such academic discipline as study of the relics yet -anyone can publish whatever wants. In the lead, we have two negative opinions, by Erasmus from 1500s, and by Thurston from 1913. So the lead is not neutral. To balance it, we have posititve Górny&Rosikoń opinion from 2013 -much more recent, after several researches on some relics (described in their book) have been published.
83.29.181.170 (talk) 14:04, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Górny & Rosiknoń Witnesses to Mystery: Investigations Into Christ’s Relics 

message: So, does anyone think this could be a good article? If not, what improvements would be necessary? --Leptictidium (mt) 19:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

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message: I tried, but failed to figure out which of those mentioned here are images not copied from other known "Veils" (Rome, Manoppello,... - what else?). Known copies seem to me far less interesting here. I have brought this up on the talk-page of that article as well. If a result can be obtained, the subsections and their headings here will need to be changed accordingly. Arminden (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veil of Veronica: how many candidates are out there? 

message: The Shroud of Turin section is bonkers.  Not encyclopedic it reads like a religious pamphlet written by and for true believers.  For that matter the Shroud of Turin is not a jesus relic, it's believed to be a jesus relic by some/many believers, that is all it is so far.  I know I can edit it myself, but I'd literally delete the whole thing or just say it's believed to be a jesus relic yet the credible evidence suggests it's not. 2603:8081:8700:687D:D15A:F94C:87B1:52A (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Alerting WP:FTN. --Hob Gadling (talk) 08:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shroud of Turin section 

message: The correct Latin word for cradle seems to be cunabulum, but several apparently reliable sources (the "Sacred Architecture" journal, an encyclopedia of relics) use cunambulum, with an added m. Did they just get mixed up with ambulare, ambulatory?
Several sources using the apparently wrong Latin word have been used here: Church of Saint Catherine, Bethlehem#Relic of the Holy Crib.
There seems to be a deeper confusion, between a manger used as crib, and a cradle. See this source:
:The Descriptio Lateranensis Ecclesiae [c. 1100] mentions both a cradle and a crib/manger at Santa Maria Maggiore: "Cunabulum Domini ibi est, in quo puer iacuit. De praesepio Domini sunt ibi reliquiae."
From: Mary Dzon (2017). The Quest for the Christ Child in the Later Middle Ages. In "The Middle Ages Series". Ruth Mazo Karras, Series Editor; Edward Peters, Founding Editor. University of Pennsylvania Press, Philadelphia. ISBN 0812248848. Accessed today. Arminden (talk) 22:45, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manger/crib (''cunabulum'') and/or cradle 

message: pls note with gobekli tepe news and weathering studies of rocks ab the sphinx, its time frame has shifted from time of cheops c. 2,500 bc to more likely 12,000 bc … the sphinx face as that of Jesus aka God himself is entirely proven by sky witnesses going back same image in skies to approx. beginning of universe etc 15 billion bc , … real date of Sphinx face image…. /s chief willie bob, eastern Cherokee , Cherokee, nc  03:24, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: please add no.one relic i.e. the Sphinx