Talk:Caodaism

message: The link to cardinal is (as one would expect) a link to a disambiguation page.  Should it point to cardinal (Catholicism)? Michael Hardy 23:49, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Links

message: Cao means "high" and Đài means "raised place, platform."  Although it is true that the religion relied on human mediums or channelers to communicate with God during sacred ceremonies, Le Anh-Huy, where did you get "supreme channel" from?  
The terms, "a supreme God," or, "Cao Dai Supreme God," imply there may be other kinds or types of supreme God.  I think the phrase, "God, the creator of the universe," leaves little room for ambiguity.
Mr. Ngô Văn Chiêu is not the founder of Caodaiism.  He may be credited as the founder of the Chiếu Minh sect of Caodaiism.  However, to place the founding of Caodaiism upon his shoulders is analogous to saying one of Jesus' disciples founded Christianity.  Furthermore, according to the Tay Ninh Holy See, Mr. Chiêu committed the unpardonable sin of disobedience to God (see the discussion below:  How many Cao Dai Popes (Popes of Vietnam) have there been?).
Christianity was based on the teachings of Jesus Christ; Confucianism was the teachings of Confucius (Kong-Fu-Zi); Taoism was the teachings of Lao-Zi.  Arguably, these teachers were men who walked the earth.  Therefore, it is easy to give them credits.  On the other hand, God, to many, is an intangible idea.  So, when Caodaiists claim that the Creator himself is their teacher, might it be that they are refuted, and, instead, an actual person is named as the mastermind behind their movement?
From day one, Caodaiists are taught that in this Great Religion of The Third Period of Revelation and Salvation (Đại Đạo Tam Kỳ Phổ Độ), God is not using a middleman like the other times.  This time, He is at the helm. cann0tsay 07:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons for changing Le Anh-Huy's  07:08, 2 October 2005 revision

message: Not too many non-Caodaiists are aware that Caodaiism also suffers from schism like other religions.  Some of the sects that have split from the Tay Ninh Holy See (Tòa Thánh Tây Ninh) are, Chiếu Minh, Bến Tre and Đà Nẵng. cann0tsay 07:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Schism

message: 7 o 8 millions caodaist? are you kidding me? Where do you get that number from?
:http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_99.html#688
:But most sources there say 2 millions.
:Pjacobi 09:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  lol? 

message: Almost everyone in the Free World know that many of the inalienable rights we enjoy and take for granted do not exist in Vietnam, China, North Korea, Russia and a few other countries.  Among those rights is religious freedom.
Caodaiism and other religions in Vietnam are under the control of Vietnam's government.  The Tay Ninh Holy See is ruled by a council that the government had inserted.  The current situation may look bleak but Caodaiists are not worried.  This is not the first time Caodaiists have faced oppression.  Caodai temples, called Thánh Thất, are being built all over the world and subsequent generations of bilingual Caodaiists will clarify and shed light on this interesting, and, in my humble opinion, misunderstood religion. cann0tsay 13:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Current State of Caodaiism

message: Could someone elaborate on the "Hayesian Movement" in Caodaiism?  When and where did it started.  How many followers? cann0tsay 15:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hayesian Movement

message: In the last paragraph of the section "Religious Constitution and Organization", it is said "However, the fact that ordained women may attain ranks only up to cardinal but not Pope may be misconstrued as unfair bias.".  That seems to be a POV.
If the word "misconstrue" is changed to "construe", the POV disappears, I think.  "Misconstrue" implies error but "construe" does not imply lack of error.
:I agree.  Thanks. cann0tsay 19:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misconstrued as unfair bias

message: TEACHER REPLIES: My children, you are well educated, but your education is vastly incomplete. (...) then how can people discuss among themselves and uncover the ultimate truth?
:A PUPIL(?) CRIES: Indeed we are not able, yet. But then, why do we miserable mortals, acquainted to some degree within ourselves with this profound words of Yours, continue to assume that the "ultimate truth" has been uncovered by the intellectual pride of those who have imposed to the world a materialist-reducionist view of the universe of God; such limited view which "has done such terrible damage to almost every aspect of life on this planet"? When will we all be able to reach a more aethereal truth?
::A POET EVOKES:
::Makes you reward, baron, the Sapience
::Supreme of, with the corporal eyes
::see what can not the vain science
::of the wrong and miserable mortals
::-- Luís Vaz de Camões in The Lusiads: Canto X
:::--195.23.163.5 (talk) 00:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The Visible and Invisible Worlds

message: Esimal recently tried to move this page to Caodaism via cut and paste. This is not the proper way to do a move, it destroys page history. It has been reverted back to this location. To do a proper move, please see WP:MOVE.--Cúchullain t/c 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cut and paste move

message: I don't think there is consensus to change the name of the page (though props for doing the move properly this time). I think consensus should be gathered first, via requested moves.--Cúchullain t/c 23:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Caodaism is the proper Western name. --Esimal (talk) 23:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to what? Cao Dai looks much more prominent. At any rate, the page has been at Cao Dai for long enough that consensus for the change ought to be gathered.--Cúchullain t/c 23:46, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Move again

message: Back in 1956, when few people in the United States could even locate Viet Nam on a map, and most knew very little about it other than vague memories of newspaper headlines about the battle of Dien Bien Phu (in which the United States had not been involved), a U.S. science-fiction author wrote a book -- Slave Ship (Frederik Pohl novel) -- which predicted that a Vietnam war would lead to the near-overthrow of Western civilization, with Cao Dai being the main antagonist... AnonMoos (talk) 19:14, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: A somewhat odd note

message: What is the history of Cao Dai? How did it come about? Something about this in the article would be good. 93.96.236.8 (talk) 19:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed; I might move on to this as I progress in improving the Religion in Vietnam article. There's definitely a lot to be said of the history of Cao Đài, mainly about the effects it's had on the course of political events in Vietnam. Followers of both Cao Đài and Hòa Hảo were mobilized against various groups (including each other) in the run-up to the Vietnam War, and it can be argued that at certain points they played a key role in shaping the country's future. This should definitely be reflected here. --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 17:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is long overdue - I'm going to get it started.Sylvain1972 (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: I've been bold and reorganized parts of this article to follow a somewhat more logical structure (all those level 2 headings were bugging me). I've added  templates to indicate which sections need additional citations and references. Backing up statements with citations is very important on an article like this, since religion can be a touchy subject. I've also commented out some of the photos, since the profusion of images was making the article feel extremely cluttered; I kept what I felt were the nicest and most relevant ones, and tacked them onto the appropriate sections. Lastly, I've created a short stub of a "History" section, since there was a discussion above about the need for a historical perspective on the development and past activities of Cao Dai. I've only put a few statements that I know to be verifiable (yay, references!), but interested parties should feel free to expand it with more verifiable material (and within the bounds prescribed by WP:NPOV of course). --dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 14:30, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization and expansion 

message: In the section Caodaism#Three-fold revelation, there is a passage:
...served suffering humanity founding religions..
Maybe I am just confused but to me, that sentence doesn't make any sense. A mistake in the text possibly? Perhaps the original contributor could correct that if (s)he happened to be roaming around at the Talk Page =P Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 19:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction has been made to the above.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppn vn (talk • contribs) 13:49, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three-fold revelation 

message: What is this "Dao, Tam" source used in the article? I tried to find for the exact classification of it - e.g. a holy book, a commentary, a scholarly book, etc. - but I could find nothing. Knowing what kind of source it is would make the editing a lot easier, trust me. Cheers! Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 21:06, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the name of a Cao Dai adept who is a looking after the Cao Dai library at daotam.info. He wrote the Understanding Caodaism in 10 minutes book, which is divided into multiple pages on the library site.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppn vn (talk • contribs) 13:54, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this source (Dao, Tam) 

message: There is at least a church in Texas. Is there more in the western hemisphere? --93.184.30.196 (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movement in the USA 

message: In 2014 I revised (nearly entirely) the article through good sources. However, in the past two years it has gradually degenerated into the current version that I would describe simply as a "chaos", full of inconsistence, as original references have been broken, referenced sentences removed and replaced with entire sections without sources and based on bad translations from Viet. I think that a good solution would be to return to the version of 2014, keeping the very few improvements that have been introduced since then, such as Hoskins' ones and the identification of the goddess with Xiwangmu, and use this as a starting point for further improvements based on good, academic sources.--Aethelwolf Emsworth (talk) 14:25, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article is now in a very bad state 

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message: Cao Dai positions on moral issues are not really covered. What do adherents think about participation in warfare, the death penalty, abortion, premarital sex, homosexuality, divorce, obligations to the poor and social inequality, and so forth.Bill (talk) 03:14, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The Holy See has an FAQ section that they added to recently with a summary on LGBT issues (among other things). I'm not familiar enough with Caodaism to be comfortable summarizing it though. See https://caodai.com.vn/en/news-detail/cao-dai-faq-frequently-asked-questions-part-iv.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joiedevivre123321 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: View on moral issues

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