Talk:Piper Halliwell

message: The article reads, "Just weeks after Prue's death, Piper and Phoebe discover the existence of their baby half-sister, Paige Matthews."
Perhaps this would be better and more accurate if "weeks" were changed to "days."  The existence of Paige and their relationship to her was discovered on the heels of Prue's funeral, where they first met.  Does it normally take "weeks" to have a funeral after the death of someone?  Not with anyone I know.  Unless Wicca has some unusual customs, Prue's funeral should have been done within four days of her death.  Also, why would Shax be biding his time for "weeks" to renew his attack on the Charmed ones, especially since the Source's blathering Oracle forsaw the reformation of the Charmed ones?
Asking for your thoughts on this... PatrickLMT (talk) 08:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Weeks?"

message: In the episode Show Ghouls, which I just watched on TNT, Piper asks Phoebe her middle name. I didn't catch it, and I think it would have been a good thing to add.--Dil 22:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle Name

message: I added the specifics of Piper's powers, including her apparent limits. I also corrected a few minor mistakes, such as the idea that she needs both hands to use her powers (originally, she did, but has since demonstrated both talents using one hand) and the idea that she needs to see an object to freeze it (she generally freezes the entire area and every object in it, whether she can see it or not). I also corrected a minor error that stated that Piper gained the powers of a whitelighter "once." She not only switched powers with Leo during "Siren's Song" but also "Love Bites," when she used a spell to switch powers with Leo in order to heal him.PatrickLMT 15:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Powers

message: I restored the "Portrayed By" listings of the two actresses who portrayed Young Piper.  Emalee Thompson gets a credit on Prue's page, and of even greater relevance, Ellen Geer, who is a one timer who portrayed "Mature Piper" is mentioned.  It is only consistent to include Megan Corletto and Hunter Ansley Wryn, who portrayed "Young Piper."  Remove them again, and I will restore them, and I will call upon the adminstrators to arbitrate.  PatrickLMT 10:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit Wars?

message: Whoever did the footnotes did a superb job and that must have taken a ton of searching.  I'm very impressed.  Just one thing, since I don't know how to correct footnotes.  Shouldn't number 22 read Love Hurts and Siren's Song, since it's a reference to the two times Piper swapped powers with Leo? 72.91.42.26 10:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was me, I'm glad someone likes them. I have corrected the reference to Siren's Song. If you spot anymore let me know.--NeilEvans 14:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I typed the above without logging in.  And yes, you did a fantastic job. The only thing I can think of is the reference on Prue's page to her astrally projecting herself to Cole's side without knowing exactly where he was.  That was "Death Takes A Halliwell." PatrickLMT 21:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: There is a comment on Piper's page that reads, "Piper is the second eldest of the Charmed Ones and inherently the most powerful."  Which authority on the show said she was the most powerful?  The eldest were always the strongest, according to the series, so that would mean Prue is the most powerful.  And what exactly is meant by "most powerful"?  Were her spells the strongest?  If this is to mean in terms of number of different abilites, that would mean Paige is the most powerful.  Her witch and whitelighter heritage give her the most innate abilities to choose from.  For that matter, even Phoebe, who with her empathic abilities, premonitions and levitation would be more powerful than Piper. Could she put more force of will behind her spells?  What do the rest of you think? Should this comment stay as is, or does it belong under "independent research"? PatrickLMT 21:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing this out.  It has been vanquished for the OR that it is.  Actually, that section needs a complete rewrite, and needs to be broken up into subsections, but I don't really feel qualified enough to perform the task. -- Huntster T • @ • C 22:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooh, you vanquished it?  Did you use a potion or a spell?  If you ever need a power of three vanquish, I'm sure Neil Evans and I could join you.  All kidding aside, I see what you mean.  That section is a hodgepodge.  I'm not even sure what it's supposed to be. It seems to be a biography of sorts, but only within the confines of the actual series.  Also, I feel that much of it is simply too opinionated; OR, if you prefer.  For example, the writer opines that Piper is the "most unlucky in love." Really?  Cupid once gave a list of all the loves in their lives, and Phoebe's seemed the longest, by far. Piper was the first to be married (unless you count Prue's marriage to Zile), and the one with the longest successful relationship in the series. She never divorced, nor did she ever feel the need to vanquish her husband, unlike Prue and Phoebe. But I'm wondering, why is the writer even opining about such things?  This isn't objective fact. It's a matter of perspective.  Why not simply give a history of Piper's romantic involvements, and leave it at that. Actually, truth be told, I don't think I care for the whole article.  I like a lot of what's written. (I should, since I wrote some of it myself.)  But if it were up to me, I'd simply have a section of Piper's personal history, broken up into sections, like life prior to the series (as revealed throughout the series, like their powers being bound, their father leaving on her eighth birthday, etc.), life during the series (broken up into sections by time), and a decidedly short section of life after the series.  I'd also include a section dedicated to the specifics of Piper's powers.  There seems to be some good, reasonable information in the article there.  (Since I wrote a lot of it.) PatrickLMT 01:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, I'm glad you think so highly of your own work :D  One option is to look at the material at hand, create a logical outline based on it, and rewrite using that outline as a table of contents.  I have a feeling it could be greatly reduced in volume...it's not exactly readable as-is.  I do wish that HTML or wikicode had the ability to easily reproduce paragraph form indented text.  It might not be so bad then.  -- Huntster T • @ • C 01:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It not only can be reduced in length.  It should be.  It's not necessary to give a synopsis of every episode, which is what this boils down to, in order to define who Piper Halliwell is. A person not familiar with this series, hearing a reference to her, would be overwhelmed by the information given on this page.  I think an encyclopediac article should start with the basics, just to define who she is. (The first paragraph would simply say that she is a fictional character of WB Series "Charmed;" middle sister of three, later the eldest after the death of her older sister; innate ability to freeze molecular motion within a specific area, often inaccurately referred to as "freezing time"; later gained the ability to cause objects to explode).  This should satisfy the curiosity of the casual observer who might encounter the name Piper Halliwell as a cultural reference and wonder who she was, without needing to know every detail of her life. Then the subsequent sections could simply be an expansion of that, so the person ignorant of who she was can stop reading, while those more interested can keep going.  But all this information. Anyone who needs that much information can buy the DVDs for themselves, or watch the show in syndication. PatrickLMT 20:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Independent Research

message: From the beginning of the series, it was said that the earliest born sister would have the strongest powers (which is Prue). This was true until the sisters got their second powers. I don't see how moving things with your mind is more powerful than making demons explode by the wave of a hand! My friend (also a hardcore Charmed fan) told me it was because when Prue died, Piper needed to have more fire power! Is that right? Bubble bunny
:There is no right or wrong. Prue died and her powers stopped, piper had 5more years for them to grow, who's to say prue's wouldn't have been more powerfull after 5 years. And i doubt her powers increased just because prue died,as  paige has powers to compensate for prue's. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 13:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually,your comparison isn't right.Telekinesis was Prue's first power.Her second one was Astral Projection.Also,Piper doesn't "wave" her hand,she does it like she'd do when she's freezing. Astral projection is a strong power,which is sort of like orbing except the body stays and multiplys into two.If Prue was alive,she might get a new power,much like how Phoebe ended up with three powers in season six,"empathy" (previous powers : premonition,levitation).Also,when Prue died,Piper became the oldest sister and Piper began to gain more control over her molecular combustion power after Prue died. Piper didn't have to have more fire power,there was Paige to substitute when Prue was gone,especially since they share the power of Telekinesis. JakeTheBlake 21:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Most Powerful

message: "The immunity to her freezing powers may not apply to her exploding power. Prue theorized that since good witches were immune to her freezing power, they would be immune to her exploding power. That theory has never been tested, however."
She can blow up witches. She blew up Bianca during Season 6. And she was a witch. 24.14.120.92 09:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, so that's an example of someone who is immune to freezing but not to exploding, which should be noted. The article currently says that the immunity may not extend to her exploding power, and Bianca is an actual example of it not doing so. -- Noneofyourbusiness 21:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article refers to GOOD witches. There are many demons who were immune to her exploding power. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence doesn't refer specifically to good witches, only to immunity to freezing not extending to exploding. -- Noneofyourbusiness 05:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: No. I watched the episode and i don't think shes even a witch. I believe it said shes a demon. so that nullifies his entire argument.  The sentence is fine. There has not been a single time when she tried to blow up a good witch. --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No she is in fact a witch, the Phoenix Coven is a family of witches  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.19.251 (talk) 05:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing this part

message: Who played young Piper in Forever Charmed? When Piper, Leo and Patty go to find Grams with Coop's ring they find Penny talking to a young Piper, who was the actress, she should be added to the infobox as portraying Piper.--NeilEvans 19:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey thanks I already found out.--NeilEvans 12:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Young Piper in Forever Charmed 

message: This statement is incorrect: "In the episode Hulkus Pocus, Piper freezes Billie, but it was established before that Piper couldn't freeze witches."  And it has been vanquished. (I used a potion.)
It was never claimed on the show that Piper couldn't freeze witches.  It was established that Piper couldn't freeze GOOD witches.  Those witches who are not good can still be frozen. PatrickLMT 22:14, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope you'll forgive me, but I'm going to remove that entire paragraph, as aside from the basic opening phrase, it is almost entirely speculation. -- Huntster T • @ • C 01:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all. I just didn't want to wipe out someone's efforts completely. Apparently, you have no such qualms. Piper did freeze Billie, true. The only explanation that would be consistent with the show? Billie simply isn't a good witch.  If Piper had somehow learned to freeze good witches, she would have said so, particularly if this were her first time doing so.  But in the end, it's all speculation, as you say.  I did add some comments to that paragraph, since there's no reason to think that Piper somehow learned the freeze good witches.  I just wanted to give another possible explanation. When I saw it, I simply thought that Billie wasn't a good witch.  The idea that Piper's powers grew to the point where she could freeze good witches didn't occur to me. And I still don't think it makes sense anyway. PatrickLMT 01:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If she could freeze good witches, wouldn't her sisters freeze as well? --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 01:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: At the time I don't think Billie could be considered a witch anyway as she was being transformed due to the scratch.  Missjessica254 14:57, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah, at that moment she was no longer a good witch but a beast transformed bu the scratch :) Harmless 77 (talk) 18:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanquished an error

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message: Would it be possible that her "freezing" power stems from absolute zero?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.147.16.141 (talk) 16:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Topic 

message: If her freezing power is called molecular immobilization, shouldn't her exploding power be called molecular acceleration since she speeds up the molecules?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpagan09 (talk • contribs) 03:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piper's Exploding Power 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:LeFemmePiper.jpg

message: The image portrays Holly as Piper well, however this image is old, and portrays a Piper which is violent and unlike the one we saw in most other episodes. Could someone please replace this? If no one does then ill look for another picture. Dont Mean to be horrible to anyone by posting this :).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harmless 77 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now replaced, tell me what you think please, as I think it is fairly suitable :). Harmless 77 (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The external link at the bottom of the article that takes us to the Piper page at the Charmed Wiki reveals several awesome photos of Holly Marie Combs "in character".  However, unlike here in the Wikipedia, when you click on a photo there is no copyright info.  So I wonder if anybody here knows the story on those photos.  Can they be used here?
 —  .`^) Paine Ellsworthdiss`cuss (^`.  10:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images at the Charmed Wiki 

message: Does the one in "All Hell Breaks Loose" being shot before the Source reverses time not count? 87.115.57.152 (talk) 01:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  number of deaths 

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message: and all interested parties, Good luck with the GAN. I just wanted to draw your attention to a couple of points that need attention.
*The last appearance part of the Infobox should be removed as the character continues to make appearances in the comics.
::Fixed.
*The "Literature" subsection needs to be expanded as the portions about the comic books does not provide a comprehensive overview of the character's role in them. The comics have two full seasons (Season 9 and Season 10), but the subsection currently only covers up until the fourth issue of Season 9. 
*There are several portions of text without citations/references. The last half of the "Magical powers" subsection and the first paragraph of the "Literature" subsection are two examples of this. 
*The "Television" subsection is rather long and the prose can be tightened and improved. Understandably, the subsection will be rather long as she was one of the main stars of the show for all eight seasons.
*The length of the "Powers and abilities" subsection seems rather excessive. I agree there should be an overview of her powers, but noting every single time she uses her powers in a new way is not necessary and should be cut down. 
*References 53, 54, and 58 need to be corrected.
::Fixed.
*References 51, 66, 13, 67, 52, 2, and 68 are dead and need to either be replaced or archived. 
Again, good luck with the GAN; I think that this article requires more work before becoming a GA. Just trying to help out a little. I hope I do not come across as rude as it is awesome to meet another user that is interested in working on fictional characters and it would be cool to work together in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 20:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Rude? Are you kidding? Not at all. :D I'm like, in awe of your work. Especially of the Russell family, the Jenkins sisters and Kyra. And I know what you mean, it is great to find another user that wants to improve character articles. If there's an article we're both interested in I'd love to work together. PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! That is very sweet. And you have done a lot of great work too. When I have more time in the future, we can definitely talk more about something to work on together. Aoba47 (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I would still recommend making these changes prior to a GAN as these are only a few things that I feel like limit this article from being a GA. Aoba47 (talk) 17:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I should probably remove the GAN. Besides, right now I'm mostly focusing on Final Destination 3 anyway. --PanagiotisZois (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be the best idea. Good luck with your work for Final Destination 3! Aoba47 (talk) 20:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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