Talk:Black Mass

message: How to add the cast  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.249.171.76 (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

message: Request for Protection for Black Mass due to high risk of vandalism by christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Protection_policy#semi  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.17.112 (talk) 15:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Protection due to high risk of vandalism by christians 

message: Unfortunately I can't state a source, maybe someone can look up the appropriate sites and compile a more Wiki-suitable article. 
But from what I read/heard from Satanists before is that Black Mass isn't so much a deliberately evil thing (ie. no orgies). But rather a deliberately hosted defilement. It's usually done for the benefit of those quitting from Christianity, the concept is that they basically do the diametric opposite of a Christian mass, blaspheming and breaking every rule in the bible as a means of giving self confidence to the departing Christians. A way of beating their fear of god so to speak by staring into the source of that fear, and showing to themselves they have nothing to fear from it.
I don't doubt some satanism religions who're in it for shock value may well have orgies, blood sacrifices and whatnot, but I know of at least one satanist group who uses it as outlined above, in a far less "evil" way. --88.12.182.253 21:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More accurate information? 

message: I am removing "Objectivism" from the "concepts associated with" Satanism. Presumably its inclusion was a joke, or perhaps it reflects some LeVey rhetoric about libertarianism. In any case, it's silly. As anti-supernaturalists, Objectivists neither worship Satan nor waste their time desecrating hosts. Equally bonkers is the link to Spencer's notion of The Survival of the Fittest. Presumably this is really just a redundant reference to the Ragnar Redbeard book "Might Makes Right," which uses the phrase as a subtitle. But the usual and Spencerian sense of the term is not associated with Satanism even if some Satanists make use of the phrase. (Satanists also recognize the law of gravity, supply and demand, and many other commonplace notions that are not therefore commutatively "associated with Satanism.") Finally, the concept "Might Makes Right" exists independently of Satanism and is of much greater scope; what someone intended here was to reference the concepts in one book by that name, which should be made clear in the link label. Cleaning all this up now.
Later: okay, I have now learned a little more about the structure of Wikipedia, but not enough. What I called a sidebar is an infobox, perhaps associated with the Satanism page, which has a similar embarrassing overemphasis on LeVey; and I still haven't figured out how to track it to the place where I can edit it. I will remove the whole of this comment when I can find the right place to put it; if it is still here in a week, feel free to kill it yourself.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.241.73.241 (talk) 07:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning up "Associated Concepts" 

message: Sorry if I seemed aggro when I first came to the article- I thought that particular paragraph which suggested their were no errors in LaVey's text was quite pro-LaVey. I thought some young fans of LaVey had written the couple of sentences that made it look like that to be honest:)-don't know if it was anyone who's editing it nowadays.  It's rare for people to praise LaVey's scholarship, I thought I was correcting someone who was trying to make the paragraph be about praising and whitewashing LaVey.  If there were typos by the printers or whatever, he still should have corrected that, as he would have been given a copy to proofread before printing, or should have made sure he got one.Merkin's  mum 21:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sorry 

message: We should put more refs in this article- they should be easy to find.  I'm lazy 2nite lol but will look tomorrow. Merkin's  mum 21:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References- from [[WP:RS]]

message: Please stop desecrating the Black Mass page, if you have something against
atheists and/or satanists then find another place as the Black Mass
wikipedia page is not the proper place to vent christian hate.   
This is the correct version of the first line of the Black Mass page:
"A Black Mass is a ritual performed as a religious improvement of the Catholic Mass used in the religion of satanism."
Satanism IS an improvement over so-called christianity.
(so you christians stop vandalizing OUR page please)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.22.17.112 (talk) 19:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism of article by anti-satanists