Talk:Sepultura

message: for a historic band that has been around for so long to have a short bio is just wrong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.65.145 (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bio

message: I don't think the genre "thrash metal" fits Sepultura throughout its entire existance. Maybe it could be labelled thrash metal in the begining, up until Chaos AD in 1993. I think the music in their later albums changed. I beleive hints of various styles of music could be heard from 1993 onwards, including industrial metal, grunge, hints of nu metal,doom metal, some rap, and even tribal music (?)...
I agree, 'Industrial Metal' is more apt, in the first paragraph it says Industrial Music. the art of noise could come under that genre!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morbid Fairy (talk • contribs) 23:58, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I was bold and changed the genre (probably the 9287927th time). The musical artist template  states we should aim for generality ("The genre or genres of music performed by the act. Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop)"). This one had too much detail that should be incorporated into the article, not the infobox. If someone really feels the need to add metalcore (just because of the "new" singer?) I wouldn't be totally apposed but then I'd like to see reliable sources. Emmaneul (Talk) 23:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

text: SEPULTURA BLACK METAL! It's ridiculous! For me is an original research, all the metal media label them as thrash metal and, later, groove, aternative metal ecc... But black metal is inappropriate! Those critics are only making confusion in the whole metal music with those craps.  --Born Again 83 (talk) 12:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fully agreed! Musicaindustrial (talk) 11:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: Folks, the article seems really hard to read with all the 1991 (1991 in music) links throughout. Virtually every other article just goes to the "year" link, though I'd say that the "in music" one is more relevant to this article.
Any objection if I trawl through and replace them all with a single link to the "in music" pages, aliased as the years (e.g. "1991 in music")?
IainP (talk) 23:45, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  (year) in music links 

message: The line that says "Gloria, was hit by the death of her teenage son in a car crash" is a little bit confusing...  was Gloria hit by her son?  Or was she emotionally devasted? Also, I thought one of the band members was murdered by the portuguese government (which took over brazil) for propaganda against the government.  Which led to the breakup into Soulfly? And that they had to channel all their albums underground to the US to be released to prevent the government from finding them? --Nzhamstar 22:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose different places will have different sources. Everywhere I read at the time said that Dana had died in a car crash, although the word "mysterious" is often used to describe the incident. Perhaps there may well be other information there, but I can only find the same @text repeated over umpteen other sites stating "unsolved murder" (do a google on '"dana wells"  sepultura murder'). All does seem a little mysterious :) IainP (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: In line with other music pages, I'm planning on moving the discography to another page, if that's OK. Same format and content, just a page of its own linked by a "See also". I'll do it when I get a chance over the next few days. This saves repetition and possible edit errors on information spread over several pages - many bands have individual member pages containing the discography repeated. IainP (talk) 16:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: In the top section of the article, it says the band was "assembled in 1984". In the sidebox, it states "Years active 1982–present". In the Biography section it says it "was formed in Belo Horizonte in 1983". So... which is it? 1982, 1983 or 1984? 59.167.63.221 12:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of Formation 

message: That would be swell. -Iopq 15:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we get a picture of the band? 

message: Sepultura is Deathrash, and thus I think it should be added to the genres. Maybe drop Thrash, and Death metal? Groove could stay though...
:Sepultura was deathrash. Later they played regular thrash. Finally they went to a groove sound. --Pasajero 19:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathrash 

message: If there's already a Sepultura discography, why repeat it on the main Sepultura page? Here's my suggestion: instead of repeating the discography, why not tell the band's history through its albums? The Nine Inch Nails page is a good example of that approach - plus, its a featured article in Wikipedia.
Musicaindustrial (talk) 13:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, though the page'll need some fairly major restructuring. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography Section 

message: When Sepultura were born, death metal didn't exist yet. There's a big incompatibility with sources. If the first bands were Possessed and Death, how can them be part of that genre? Sepultura were thrash until Arise and part of Chaos A.D., after they experimented styles such as groove, alternative, tribal. 
If the first wave of black metal were Venom, Bathory, Mercyful Fate and Celtic Frost, how can Sepultura be part of black metal in the early days? --Born Again 83 (talk) 08:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed... Musicaindustrial (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The way Sepultura can be a part of black metal in the early days is that they PERFECTED it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talvimiekka (talk • contribs) 19:09, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Absurd... Just doesn't merit further comments. Musicaindustrial (talk) 12:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Death Metal

message: I was going to restructure this article's biography - I planned to tell the Sepultura history through the group's albums. My model was the Nine Inch Nails article.
I've recently revisited the NIN page and found out that they traded the album images for group and music video shots. That solution avoids the "fair use rationale" image problem and keeps the proposed biography structure intact. I could do the same with the Sepultura page; I have their official biography, which has loads of exclusive photos that I could scan.
My question is: how do I upload these images within Wikipedia's media copyright protocols? Musicaindustrial (talk) 11:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubts about Restructuring this Article 

message: By WP:ALBUM#Review sites recommended Allmusic Guide (actually the most reliable source for reviews on the internet) says in the Morbid Visions/Bestioal Devastations review: "Sepultura's early work can be described as extremely raw, under-produced, and unspectacular death metal". Read the difference between black metal and death metal for example here: "Death metal flourished from the mid-1980s to mid-1990s, and then was for most purposes replaced by black metal. Where death metal was structuralist with heavy emphasis on chromatic phrasing and hence rhythmic, black metal used narrative construction based on melody". Listen to some Mayhem (band) and some Morbid Angel and you will understand that Morbid Visions/Bestial Devastation has nothing to do with black metal.--  LYKANTROP  10:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Musicaindustrial (talk) 12:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black metal / death metal 

message: Hello! I need to establish a clear consensus on the issue of how to spell Igor Cavalera's name - he has for the past couple of years spelled it as Iggor. However, I saw an editor recently revert a change to Iggor from Igor and, when I asked him to provide evidence of consensus on the issue, all he could say was "It is simple: Iggor is not his name". As far as I'm concerned, this is entirely inadequate. Please go to Talk:Igor Cavalera and leave comments there.--Voxpuppet (talk • contribs) 11:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the official Sepultura biography , originally released in 1999, and not once it spells the younger Cavalera's name as "Iggor", with two "Gs". This must be a fairly recent development... I any case, I think will should stick with his birth name spelling ("Igor"). Musicaindustrial (talk) 15:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ygghor Kavhallera? :[ Cannibaloki 15:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cannibaloki, that's just taking the piss =P--Voxpuppet (talk • contribs) 15:16, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ig(g)or Cavalera - spelling? 

message: Is it just me or does anyone else remember that Sepultura were genred as death metal and no one ever questioned it.
In the days of Schizophrenia, Beneath the Remains and Arise as I remember they were always genred death metal. they were grouped alongside other groups like Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Cerebral Fix, Nocturnus, etc.
Sepultura and Cerebral Fix were at the tamer end of death metal and had major thrash influences and Morbid Angel & Obituary, etc. were at the other end.
At the time death grew out of thrash and was often seen as a sub-genre of thrash as it was still quite new as a sound. Even Napalm Death was labelled as death metal and was generally seen as the far end of the death metal up until the band harped on about having major punk origins and tried calling themselves "Grindcore". Slayer were about the far end of thrash. death metal grew beyond this. labels like Black metal, doom metal & gothic metal all came later as death metal took over and spread into other areas. Doom metal happened as many death metal bands claimed to be influenced by early black sabbath (cathedral spring to mind) and slowed down playing death metal and black metal evolved when death metal brought in influence from groups like Venom. When Venom called their album "black metal" it was only a way of marketing their sound and only meant it was 'evil / satanic metal'. it was not a new genre at the time. Christian metal groups marketed their music as 'white metal'.
Please can others back me up here who remember as I can't be the only one who remembers it this way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 16:32, 15 August, 2008 (UTC)
:You're not alone... When did you first get into extreme metal? In the early 1990s? Because what you just wrote was the basic perception of extreme metal in those days.
: I'd just slightly disagree with some things... Grindcore being the same as death metal,  or about those string of Sepultura you mentioned (Schizophrenia - Beneath the Remains - Arise), which were always in the gray area in terms of being death or thrash...
:But about the black metal stuff your comments were right on. Many of these so called "2nd Wave" black metal bands started out or were closely related to death metal. Darkthrone's debut, Soulside Journey (1990), was death metal... The seeds of Immortal were lain on the death metal band Amputation... There's also the fact that an early Mayhem photo session with the late Euronymous wearing a Death T-shirt on the liner notes of A Tribute to the Black Emperors (1995). I also read on a zine somewhere that he was mad that death metal was getting popular (according to him, people were going to school with Autopsy shirts) and that he wanted to make "death metal scary again". Also, according to Lee Dorian, Napalm Death played in Norway in 1987 and they stayed at Euronymous's house... he was a huge fan of ND, by the way.
:But it seems like most Wikipedia editors invested in extreme metal tend to be more on the "black metal" side of things, and this slant can be easily detected by older metal fans. Musicaindustrial (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It sickens me that this is even a question. Sepultura was the primer for metal for many people out there. And right on with the ND mention Grindcore, heavy, death, whatever... Sepultura was damn nuts and evil back in the day. It is a shame sources are so light. I wanted to add some info from what I remembered as a kid but there isn't much. Maybe someone has some zines on hand? Cptnono (talk) 09:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sepultura were originally genred "death metal" back in the day. 

message: There are many albums strongly having nu metal both in Max's presence and after it. Such as Roots, Chaos A.D and Against. Solino the Wolf (talk) 09:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When Chaos A.D. was released (1993), nu metal didn't exist. Ground zero was Korn's debut album, which came out a year later... Musicaindustrial (talk) 21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: completely right.My msitake. (what about Against? ) Solino the Wolf (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a good question... The guitars in that album are tuned very low like standard nu metal, but the tempos are faster and Igor's drumming is more hardcore-oriented then the normally mid-paced, syncopated beats of nu metal. Some people have labelled this album "metalcore", but I believe that genre didn't exist or was in its infancy when Against was released. I really wouldn't know what metal subgenre Against fits in... Musicaindustrial (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True.It's kind of hard to name a genre for Against and some of the following albums.Solino the Wolf (talk) 20:32, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

text: They did not set the blue print for "groove metal"(whose article does have some notability problems.) The source from roadrunner specifically said "Offical Biography WIKI BIO" across the top of it's history of the group. Not valid. RG (talk) 04:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Nu metal

message: According to the Jon Davis article (Jonathan Davis is the lead vocalist for Korn) he his connected to this group, but I can't find any mention of him in the Sepultura article, so it leads me to believe that Jon and sepultura have never worked together, But I want to make sure. Does Jonathan Davis have any NOTABLE signficance to sepultura? KMFDM FAN (talk!)
:Signficance regarding what? He appeared as guest in the album Roots, and just.--Cannibaloki 02:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: [edit conflict] He made an appearance in the Roots song “Lookaway”. 21655 ταλκ/01ҁ 02:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So he's just appeared on a couple songs as a guest? Okay. (and by significance I meant if he was say, a replacement drummer, you know something of real importance.) I'll remove Sepultura from Jon Davis' related artists lists, because we don't need to list all the musicans Davis has done guest work with.--KMFDM FAN (talk!) 22:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jonathan Davis]]? 

message: It makes no sense to have this in a section discussing the band when that was not the lineup. There is a commons link for such media or it needs to be worked in to related sections.Cptnono (talk) 08:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:File:Metalmania 2007 - Sepultura 04.jpg]]

message: I added Almilcar Cristófaro in the Touring Member section. Could someone cite the reference there?
Got it off of Sepultura news on their official website, July 28, 2011.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.51.85.62 (talk) 02:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touring Member Almilcar Cristófaro 

message: Hi All, just letting everyone know why I recently edited the lead paragraphs of this article. Somebody had written that Sepultura had recieved "multiple gold and platinum records worldwide," and as far as I can tell from the RIAA database and the Sepultura discography page on wikipedia, they have received no platinum records, only gold records. Feel free to revert this change if you can find a source that confirms they received a platinum record outside the United States, but make sure you add it to the Discography page too. :) Shugurim (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Information 

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message: Native Brazilian Portuguese speaker here. "Sepultura" in Portuguese actually means "grave", not "burial".
187.111.23.86 (talk) 19:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name etymology 

message: I knew the metal scene in 1986, and Sepultura was called death metal then. Death metal was different from thrash metal because of the drums, that's what people and magazines used to say/write at that time. Bestial Devastation and Possessed's Seven Churches have only months of difference in their time of release.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandre E Gomes (talk • contribs) 21:03, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sepultura was labeled as death metal in 1986. 

message: I think that black metal should have been among Sepultura's early genres. I don't understand why is not there anymore. Loyal to Metal (talk) 20:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Cause that was only one album with minor black metal influences, hardly an "era" --FMSky (talk) 12:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black metal era 

message: The reference for claiming their most successful records are those from 1989 to 1996 dates from 1997 (Colmatti 1997). Perhaps someone could find more up-to-date information? Or just delete the sentence. Pixolives (talk) 22:51, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their most successful records