Talk:Hypnotize (album)

message: Please stop removing the information from this page, 66.36.148.190 (or should I say The truth about Hephaestos?). If you continue this one more time, I have no other choice but to report you and I think you do deserve a ban from this repeated vandalism. As I told you at your talk page. -- Mike Garcia | talk 3 July 2005 14:05 (UTC)
:Hi, Mike. Please feel free to add your source to the article. Thanks! 66.36.148.190 3 July 2005 15:25 (UTC)
:Are you insane? Please grow up and leave because you shouldn't be here vandalizing any page (especially this one) and I am not threatening to ban you. But you will be banned when me, Dan, MrHate or others report you. -- Mike Garcia | talk 3 July 2005 18:07 (UTC)
:He's not vandalizing, he's just asking you to cite your source. Deltabeignet 4 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)
::Yes, he did vandalize the page (see ). I don't care what he's doing or what he wants me to do, why? Because, I really don't have to deal with anonymous users like him, especially when he refuses to stop vandalizing or removing some information that is right or not before threatening to violate the 3RR (three revert rule). -- Mike Garcia | talk 5 July 2005 20:56 (UTC)
:::What he's doing is not vandalism. He just does not see a reasonable reason so believe that such a fact is true and thus asks you to cite your sources before accepting it. --DB0 09:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Here is the source how Hypnotize was supposed to be first and Mezmerize was supposed to be last last: . -- Mike Garcia | talk 22:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This source is relevant to the content dispute at System of a Down. When it comes to this article's disputed sentence ("The album was supposed to be called Mezmerize before rotating"), this source isn't sufficient. We know Ultimate Guitar was wrong when they said Hypnotize was disc 1, but why? Did they report the wrong info? Were the album names swapped? Was the album that was supposed to be released later, released first? The source really doesn't answer those questions, and we can't say for sure that Mezmerize was earlier called Hypnotize. At least, not with this source. Pasboudin 23:10, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's true that Hypnotize was supposed to be first and Mezmerize was supposed to be last. They got mixed up in early 2005 and then had to switch sides. -- Mike Garcia | talk 23:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bro, who cares. Mezmerize has already been released, stop thinking about the past. Your acting like a stubborn little child. The media doesnt have full knowledge of events. Only the band does. Someone should have removed that "..was supposed to be released.." bit on both articles a long long time ago. By the way, the band didnt mix it up, they had packaging and album artwork all prepared. They even styled their website prehand. This can only show that there was some sort of planning before. --Ultrasound 14:52, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: Source

message: "We are not an Armenian band, we are not a heavy metal band and we aren't nu-metal. We are System of a Down. People always seem to feel the need to put us into a category, but we just don't fit into any category. We are what rock music has evolved into."
-Daron Malakian
Please stop changing the genre. Daisy_suitepee
*You know, this is funny. I always had this idea for a great scene in a movie. A reporter (from some music magazine) is interviewing four guys with eye shadow and trenchcoats, indecipherably screamed lyrics and ridiculously distorted guitars:
:Reporter- "So, what genre would you place yourselves in?"
:Guitarist- "I find that genres only put people in cages."
:Drummer- "Yeah."
:Lead Singer- "I don't think you can put us in a category. Our music is... what it is. No genre fits us."
:Bassist- "If you had to pick just one... I'd say jazz fusion. With elements of blues. And neoclassical folk."
:Reporter- "Um... what about 'death metal'?"
Anyway, there is no reason why we should live by Mr. Malakian's statement. Besides, if this is really what rock music has evolved into, you can shoot me now. Why Deltabeignet 04:20, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nu Metal?

message: I just noticed this page in Recent Changes. It looks like lately User:Mike Garcia has been editing the page to read as follows:
:According to MTV.com, the album thought to be released on these dates for 2005: January 18; March 1 or 15 and April 26 when the album was rumoured to be first and Mezmerize rumoured to be last. Later in early spring, these reports were not likely to prove true and then the albums switched by opposite: Mezmerize on first and Hypnotize on last.
I dare any native speaker of English to parse that paragraph — it's simply meaningless. The last non-Garcia edit looks like a good summary of the facts, and it's even in English! I don't know how this revert war got started, but Mike Garcia's latest edits look awfully close to vandalism. --Quuxplusone 02:43, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Mike's edits are not vandalism, but they are also not helpful to the article. It's unfortunate that the article is now protected, including this unreadable paragraph. Rhobite 03:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Grammatically, most verbs would go in the passive form, and "by opposite" sounds quite strange to me. (As a non-native speaker however I don't even know what the correct phrase would be.) However the full paragraph is not very useful IMO (it might sound useful because it is about a recent album and a future one, but try to imagine something like that on an article about an album of the past decade), I think the compromise above is better.--Army1987 13:58, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mike Garcia: Ungrammatical 

message: The edit summary reads:
WP:ALBUM convention is to use sec as the abbreviation.
Actually WP:ALBUM#Table reads:
 
  | Length = ? min ? s
And this is consistent with the SI standard (see second article). No need for this odd notation. --Army1987 14:16, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was going by the sample infobox on the WP:ALBUM page. You're right, the code uses the s, but the actual infobox (taken from Dirt) uses sec. Furthermore, the vast majority of album articles I've seen use sec instead of s. I figure it's simpler to conform with current standards than going to all those articles and fixing them. --Dalkaen 22:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  sec vs. s 

message: I see no good reason to protect this article at the moment. --Tony SidawayTalk 20:54, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Errrr... you mean besides the revert war brewing up? Sasquatcht|c 00:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Mike is still evading his block and ordering Pasboudin to leave in his edit summaries. Could someone please reprotect. the wub  "?!" 22:04, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotected

message: Since it seems impossible to achieve consensus as to wheter keep that paragraph (MTV.com initially reported that the album would be released in the first quarter of 2005, with Mezmerize following it by six months [1]. In early 2005, these reports turned out to be incorrect: Mezmerize was released first, the band announced that Hypnotize would be released in the fall.), let's vote for it.--Army1987 21:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's vote 

message: # Mike Garcia | talk 21:20, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep as is, or minorly edit:

message: # Rhobite 22:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete:

message: # Army1987 21:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep but majorly rewrite:

message: *I don't dare to touch that paragraph anymore. IMHO, we'd better keep the paragraph in its Rhobite version, or maybe even better in its shorter Norvy version (Although some sources originally reported that Hypnotize would be released first, it ended up being released after Mezmerize.), until Hypnotize is released, then use the what-will-we-expect-to-read-in-year-2015 rule of thumb. However, see also Talk:System_of_a_Down#Album_mixup_rumor. --Army1987 12:26, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments:

message: You shouldn't tell people the album has been leaked because it encourages illegal downloading (not that i have a problem with it) and it will drag the RIAA in. --Ultrasound 06:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We should have no agenda here other than creating the best encyclopaedia we can. If it has been leaked, then we should be reporting that, regardless of whether it encourages people to download the album, or whether it "drags the RIAA in" - not sure where you think they'll be dragged in though. KeithD (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leaked 

message: This article's AFD debate was inconclusive; as the article merely duplicated information here, I made the editorial decision to redirect. Johnleemk | Talk 02:31, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Soldier Side (song)]] redirects here 

message: Does anyone see any reason to keep that tour poster on the page, seeing that the album has been released now anyway? It's not really a great quality scan, and I think it's a bit distracting. If no one objects, I think I'll remove it in a few days. Thebogusman 02:57, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promo Poster 

message: i thought that every track from Mezmerize accompanied a track from Hypnotize, wasent there a former revision of this page that had a list of accompanied tracks? what happend to it?
--Joe dude 23:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tracks 

message: Does anyone have a picture of the joint artwork with hypnotise?
I think that the 
hypnotize page should have a new section, that highlights the similarities between this and Mezmerise.  For those who are not aware, the inside artword combines, behind the dic of mezmerise, it a picture of the hypnotize dic, and behind the hypnotize disc is a picture of the Meznerize disc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SJZ44474 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joined artwork 

message: The claim that "System of a Down [is] the only band, other than The Beatles, to have two albums debut the top of the charts in the same year." is incorrect.  Numerous artists have done this, included Guns N' Roses Use Your Illusion   I am removing the refrence from this page.
Stuph 06:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  billboard debut 

message: What is the "House Of Plastic" song?! I've never seen that anywhere.
--213.158.196.100 21:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  House of plastic