Talk:Bernard Lazare

message: The article currently contains THREE different links to English text for Antisemitism: Its History and Causes, one to archive.org, to a publication by a French-based Holocaust revisionist group AAARGH (whose website is repeatedly declared illegal by the French courts, one from an American neo-Nazi website, and one from Fordham University's Jewish History Sourcebook. That last one begins with a preamble that describes it as a "public domain text, in a messy format, [which] was made available at an anti-semitic website". The (undated) AAARGH version at archive.org says:
This text is the first chapter of the English translation of L'Antisémitisme, son histoire et ses causes, by Bernard LAZARE (real name: Lazare BERNARD), first published in Paris in 1894, several times republished, lastly by the publishing house La Vieille Taupe (= the Old Mole) in 1982, reprinted in 1985, .[...] This republication triggered a controversy which is documented in a booklet later published by Les Editions de la Différence, Contre l'antisémitisme, Histoire d'une polémque, Paris, 1983, 127 p. This material will be displayed with the French text of Lazare.  
WARNING An English translation, under the title Antisemitism, Its History and Causes, appeared in London in 1967, by Britons Publishing Company. No name is given for the translator. In fact, this is more an adaptation than a proper translation. Paragraphs are quite often abridged and sometimes altogether suppressed. Serious students should refer to the French original text. Nevertheless, as this book provides a glimpse into an epochal reflection on antisemtism, we follow this text and do not interfere with the translation itself. A US edition was later done on this English publication: University of Nebraska Press, Lincoln, Nebraska, 1995, 208 pages.
Finally, the article also links to the Marxist Internet Archive's Lazare archive, which includes a version of the same text, taken from Jewish History Sourcebook. 
Most obviously, this is overkill, but my efforts to trim have been reverted by an anonymous editor who particularly wants to advertise texts at the American Nazi website. I would say there is no need for more than one, and that the most reliable would be the Fordham University one. However, I am wondering if it should be linked to at all, given that the translation is clearly dodgy, abridged, etc. Any thoughts? BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:34, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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message: I was told that unsourced content can be removed so I removed it after another editor removed the citation needed tag. I decided removing the problematic part describing the book as a "critique" of the origins was the right thing here.
Earlier, I added a source that the book is considered anti-Semitic by present day standards. It can't be quoted out of context without being anti-Semitic. The quote and langauge from the book itself confirm that, as does the source I added, unambiguously.
We now know that liberally minded writers were wrong - assimilation and Emancipation would not "cure" anti-Semitism. Anti Semitism would take a racial course and right wing narratives would prevail. Lazare and other leftist authors began to walk back their views over time, notably after the Dreyfus Affair. I would not describe the book as a "critique" of the origins of anti-Semitism in any instance - it appears to be a critique of Jewish culture at the time it was written and blaming Jewosh culture for anti-Semitism (according to the source I added).
Ben Azura (talk) 03:16, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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