Talk:Irish diaspora

message: The paragraph about Bermuda is very big in comparison to the paragraph concerning the rest of the European diaspora. --Rougieux 13:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bermuda 

message: Can we get some citations for the heritage of certain individuals in the Biography section, particularly Paul McCartney and John Lennon?  I'm no expert, but these claims really surprised me.
:The truth is that nearly everyone in Liverpool has some historical connection with Ireland - which isn't very surprising when you consider how close that city is to Dublin by sea, that the two places were part of the same kingdom for centuries and that there was massive emmigration from Ireland during this time (Population of Ireland droped by 80% from 1840 to independence, for example). The Irish connections of the beatles is very well documented.
:On Paul McCartney - 
::Paul McCartney claims Irish heritage on both sides of his family. Some sources claim that Paul's paternal grandfather, James McCartney II, a journeyman plumber and carpenter, was actually born in Ireland; others posit that it was actually Paul's great-grandfather, James McCartney, who was the first of the family to leave Ireland. Both of these men were Roman Catholics, but Paul's father, Jim McCartney, was raised in the Church of England and grew up without having any specific knowledge of his Irish background other than knowing that the McCartney’s were Irish in origin.
::Although his father had some Irish roots, it was Paul's mother, the former Mary Patricia Mohin, who instilled a sense of pride in Paul about his Irish heritage. Mary Patricia's father, Owen Mohin, was born in 1880 in Tullynamalrow, County Monaghan; originally born Mohan, their village had so many Mohan’s that as a schoolboy his teacher decided to list the Mohan’s on one side of the classroom by their real name, and those on the other side by 'Mohin' in order to differentiate between the numerous Mohan clan which populated his schoolhouse. 
:On John Lennon - 
::Being estranged from his father since the age of 5, John Lennon never knew either of his Irish grandparents or anything of his Irish roots, as his mother’s family raised him, the Stanley’s, who were of Welsh extraction. In later years he became increasingly interested in his Irish heritage.
::However, Dublin was the birthplace in 1858 of John's grandfather, James Lennon who, like many men of his time, immigrated to Liverpool to seek better prospects of employment. Their James married Irishwoman Mary Anne 'Polly' Maguire in 1915, and the two started their family. Among their children was John's father, Alfred.
:On George Harrison - 
::50 years before George began a career; his Irish forebears still lived a humble peasant life on a tiny farm at Corah, County Wexford. George’s grandfather John French, born in 1870 immigrated over to Liverpool where he signed on with the city’s police force. He was sacked along with the entire police force during a bitter union dispute which became known as The Liverpool Lock-out in which policemen were banned from entering their own stations.
:On Ringo - 
::However, in the first ever work exclusively done on Ringo, Alan Clayson's 1992 biography Ringo Starr (Straight Man or Joker?) the author describes Ringo as the only Beatle not having any Irish blood'.
:Seabhcán 10:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation of Biography

message: The article states: "The diaspora contains over 80 million people." Does this mean that 80 million people left Ireland, or that 80 million people can trace at least one ancestor to the Irish Diaspora, or does it mean something different? --Dumbo1 13:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: 80m claim to be of Irish descent. There are about 4 million people living abroad who would qualify for Irish citizenship - meaning they have at least 1 grandparent born in Ireland. The rest are more distantly connected. Seabhcán 13:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantification of Diaspora 

message: It would be nice to have a map showing Irish migration, perhaps showing relative migration volumes by different sized arrows? Any volunteers? Seabhcán 08:18, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: There are close to one million Irish born immigrants in the United Kingdom This is very confusing considering the fact that people born in Northern Ireland are already Irish by default. Shouldn't it say Britain or something?
:Fixed. Seabhcán 12:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The UK

message: I have changed the phrase 'government of the Irish Republic' to 'government of Ireland.' The name of the country is not 'Irish Republic;' it is Ireland (Art 4 Bunreacht na hÉireann). Republic of Ireland is used as a description only(s2 Republic of Ireland Act 1948). Irish Republic is inaccurate. Iolar
: 'Republic of Ireland' is not inaccurate however.  The name of the country is actually "Éire".  The translation of Éire into English is "Ireland".  However, this is inaccurate in itself as Ireland is actually an island with two countries in it.
: From The Times, 8th of August, 1949: Mr MacBride, the Irish Minister of Foreign Affairs, tonight sent an official request to the Council of Europe to refer to his country simply as Ireland and not as Eire or as the Republic of Ireland. This request is seen by observers here as part of a systematic campaign by the Government in Dublin to link the question of the partition of Ireland with every organization of which it is a member.
: The use of the name 'Ireland' is contentious to this day as it infers the whole of the island, as opposed to twenty-six of the thirty-two counties of Ireland and, more importantly, can lead to confusion (especially to foreigners - which is probably what had been intended by the decision to name the country 'Ireland').
: The Ireland Act of 1949 (UK) and the Republic of Ireland Act of 1948 (RoI) both state that "Republic of Ireland" can be used as an alternative official name for the country.
: Politics aside, the country is known as the 'Republic of Ireland' when ambiguity is possible (for example, in such cases whereby Northern Ireland should NOT be included in the context).  Frequently both the Republic's and the UK's governments refer to "Republic of Ireland" in official, external and internal communiqués.
: Interestingly, the first name ever given to the country in modern history, and in terms of republicanism, was in 1916, when it was declared as "Poblacht na hÉireann" - literally "Republic of Ireland".  However, this illegitimate declaration was applied to the whole of the island, at a time before a Treaty had ratified a compromise for those Irish people who did not want to part from the United Kingdom.
: Having said all that, I have not and will not change the edit as the term "government of Ireland" is reasonably unambiguous, given the context. --Mal 08:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Republic 

message: An interesting phenomenon with people of Irish descent is that it seems that no matter how far removed generationally - there remains an afinity or identity with Ireland - and for the most part this afinity has been accepted and welcomed by those "genuine" Irish that remain in Ireland - although recently I feel that the mutual admiration of say the Irish and Irish American is on the decline particularly on the Irish born side - possibly due to the fact that emigration has dramaticly declined but an interesting observation of the Irish Diaspora is that it seems that the Irish have done well everywhere except in Ireland.  When sent to Australia as convicts they excelled - when fleeing famine and oppression for brighter futures in America - within 1 generation they were successful - Therefore one must ask why these people could not be successful at home? Many theories are put forward but ultimately they all revert to poor government by Britain when the Irish were subjugated and marginalised as policy.  However it is interesting to review the endless lists of Irish Americans who are proud and identify with this identity from perhaps 1 Irish Great Grandparent or Grandparent or even further back-  most of these famous Americans are the great grandchildren of Famine survivors  - would they have succeeded had their ancestor stayed in Ireland? Would John Kennedy become the Taoiseach? Would Bing Crosby and Judy Garland have been world famous singers? Would Politics and entertainment have had such rich contributions? Would Maureen O'Hara have been praised for her beauty (and red hair) had she stayed home?  Is there a way that this can be examined ? I find it extraordinary that such great luminaries in all fields have come from this island - why?
Vono 18:07, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Success Everywhere 

message: There is a John Martin listed on the biography section that points to a disambiguation page.  I don't have enough information to figure out which one it is.  Can someone please correct this link to the proper page instead of the dab?  Thanks --Brian G 00:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think wikipedia has an article about a congressman named John Martin. The link to John Martin (Governor of Kansas) says he is of Scotch-Irish heritage, but that's in US state politics. This should just be a list of very famous members of the diaspora anyway. Graham talk 13:17, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your reply. --Brian G 14:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Martin 

message: A couple of paragraphs were included to the Australian section claiming anti-Irish bias in that country. I can't see the relevance within the added text to any anti-Irish sentiment in Australia. If you can't re-word it to show the relevance, please explain it here, and perhaps someone else can have a go at re-wording.
Failing that, I think the paragraphs are irrelevant to the article. --Mal 02:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australia 

message: During and after the famines, some of my great and great-great grandparents moved to Peoria, Illinois, "because of the large Irish community there".  There is some evidence in my family that this community still had some degree of Irish Gaelic (Gaeilge) spoken and sung.  However, I've been unable to find anything about this outside of my extended family.  I'm wondering if anyone else knows of this, because I'd like to document it more fully.  Irish immigrants from Ulster and Munster moved there, either as soon as they arrived or after years of bonded servitude in places like New York, so it wasn't just families from the same area regrouping there.  We have documentation there was *some* community, but we just don't know how large it was.  --Kathryn NicDhàna 20:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peoria, Illinois 

message: "[f]urthermore, the Irish nation cherishes its special affinity with people of Irish ancestry living abroad who share its cultural identity and heritage."
It says urthermore in the constitution and the f was added by the wikipedia editor? If not, I don't understand the use of brackets in this instance. Yonatanh 21:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote from the constitution... 

message: the list is I beleive a good one but I also beleive that  famous people, Irish born or of Irish descent who were children or great grandchildren of Irish immigrants from the famine period are the most appropriate to list  However I also beleive that only people who have a Wikipedia article or a link should be listed and of course they should be famous in the wider historic or timeless sense - people should not add themselves or  a random  person  simply because they have an Irish background, the entrants should have contributed in some way to the country they ended up in and have a verifiable Irish identity -  Whilst to a degree the Irish Diaspora has contineud over time the centre of it happened from the mid-19th century  and to a lesser degree through the 1970s. Therefore the majority of those listed are appropriate entries but this is not a "list" of famous Irish people but rather an overview and entries should have a criteria. 81.99.65.220 18:41, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable People Representative of the Irish Diaspora

message: As well as London, i'm sure you'll find that there are a lot of people with Irish descent in Liverpool and Manchester. Liverpool especially seeing as it is the nearest dock to Ireland.
82.31.32.48 19:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: UK Irish diaspora

message: The last Russian Royal Family employed a Limerick woman, Margaretta Eager or Eggar who helped raise the 4 ill fated Grand Duchesses (Anastasia being the most famous today).  It has been recorded in several biographies that the 4 princesses spoke English with a slight Irish brogue -  "Although the girls were thoroughly Russian, they spoke English with their mother, Russian to their father and Aleksey, and both English and Russian among themselves. They felt equally comfortable in both languages. "When they were infants they had an Irish Governess, named Miss Eiger. From her they acquired an Hibernian accent." from the Alexander Palace histories. 81.99.65.220 22:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish Nannies and Governesses

message: With 256 Irish born recipients Ireland has the highest proportion of Congressional Medal of Honor Winners than any other group of immigrants to teh USA - this is an important statistic and should be worked into the United States section of this article 81.99.65.220 12:52, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USA Medal of Honor Recipients

message: I'd always thought that Jim Callaghan's father was Irish, but in the Irish Times today, Brian Walker of Queen's University, Belfast, disputes this: "his father only assumed this name when he joined the navy to escape his family."Millbanks 22:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jim Callaghan

message: I was surprised to see her name in the article. Can anyone establish that she had Irish ancestry? If not, I suggest we delete. Millbanks 22:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Margaret Thatcher

message: Although 1.4% of the population of Britain are Irish born, the 2006 Irish census showed that 2.7% of people in the Republic of Ireland were born in the UK. But since 48% of them classified themselves as Roman Catholic, it could well be that many are of Irish origin.Millbanks 10:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverse Diaspora

message: When we talk about the Irish Diaspora, can we put a timescale on it. Looking at history and archaeology, people have been moving to and from, most notably, but not exclusively Ireland and Britain, Ireland and Spain since the Neolithic. And this appears to have been going on continuously. Can we agree on a timescale for when this started so we can more meaningfully discuss the Irish Diaspora not just the movement of a few people here and there. Large population movements occured with the Great Irish Famine but could have started with the Great Irish Famine (1740-1741). Can someone advise, and then we can sharpen up the article. --81.132.246.132 22:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Timeframe

message: I removed the following:
:The late 1990's witnessed a ground change in opinion of the Irish community in Britain. The Celtic Tiger economic resurgence in the Republic of Ireland, combined with the literary and pop culture contributions of Irish bands, artists and so forth contributed to a growing sense of appeal. These movements, when combined with the end of violence in Northern Ireland created a change in public opinion toward the Irish at the populace level. 
It had been waiting for a cite since August, and I think it's nonsense anyway. The Irish have for decades been well integrated into UK communities. I'm sure there was a problem at some point, but it ended before my lifetime (1970s).86.16.117.32 12:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GiollaUidir, the reference you added was worthless. That's a partisan piece by an opinion columnist. He's trying to invoke the spectre of the PTA and it's supposed effect on the Irish community as a parallel to Islamic terrorism today. He has an interest in exaggerating to make his point. I'm of distant Irish Ancestry myself, know plenty of Irish people, and happened to grow up in one of the towns that was bombed by the IRA, as mentioned in that article. The many Irish people I knew were neither regarded with suspicion by their neighbours, nor did they live in fear of being fingered as terrorists. My opinion is worth as much as Paul Donovan's, which isn't much... but either way it's not supported by a sound reference, so I'm reverting.86.16.117.32 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph Removed 

message: Because a majority of these were Presbyterians, and many of those had settled in Ulster from Scotland, they became known as the "Scotch-Irish" in the United States, to which they formed a steady stream of emigration throughout the 18th century.
it seems like a bad long sentence. also scotch-irish redirects to another article. i dont know enough about this to edit it myself so i will just ask here and leave it to someone with better grammar and knowledge of the subject.
signed,
some_guy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.237.177 (talk) 01:45, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  poor sentence construction, confusing re-direct 

message: The list of countries in which the Irish Diaspora is found seems to have no order to it. Should it be Continent/Country order, or Country order, or by size of the Irish Diaspora in each country?
In order to reduce the size, should the list of Famous Diaspora be removed and those listed have the Irish Diaspora category tag added?
Bazj (talk) 08:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: * I've ensured all the Brits on the list of Famous Diaspora have got the :Category:British people of Irish descent tag, and added a link to the list on the Britain section.  When I've got some more time I'll do the equivalent for the other countries listed. When they're all done I'll remove the Famous Diaspora section. Bazj (talk) 17:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Structure and Size 

message: Ireland is the only country where as many females (if not more!) as males emigrated to the New World, especially the United States. In fact, Ireland was the biggest exporter of females to America, followed by the English and Germans. Much of Irish-American (Although not all) DNA is maternal. Relatively few women emigrated from countries such as Italy, Portugal, Spain, etc., therefore many Italian-Americans such as John Travolta have maternal Irish DNA and not Italian. The French had to boost their female population with casket girls or "King's Daughters" as they were commonly known, but the Irish girls and women emigrated voluntarily, often finding work as nannies, domestics, or nurses. The articles fails to mention this phenomenon. It certainly explains why the Irish are the second-largest white ethnic group in the US and also why the blood is still fairly unmixed as in the case of the Kennedys.jeanne (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, as I mentioned many male immigants to America took Irish wives so that a large amount of  women in America possess Irish mitDNA, but this would also be true in England as many Irish females immigrated there. However, would the Irish mitDNA be much different from the English or Welsh mitDNA as all the people of Ireland and Great Britain were said to be the same originally- Iberians closely related to the Basques prior to the arrival of the Celts, Romans, Saxons? Seeing as the latter two did not migrate directly to Ireland, they would show in the paternal Y-chromasome DNA of many English men but not in most Irish men as they would doubtlessly possess Celtic DNA. I ask this because genetically I am three-quarters Irish. However, my direct maternal line is English, so I would possess English mitDNA. But it wouldn't be Saxon or Roman as they would have brought few females with them, thus intermarried with the locals.--jeanne (talk) 08:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish Female Diaspora 

message: The "See also - Irish immigration to Puerto Rico" should not be placed in the "United States" section. Puerto Rico is a nation with it's own traditions, customs, language (Spanish dialect), literature and citizenship located in the Caribbean.
On October 25, 2006, the Puerto Rican State Department declared the existence of the Puerto Rican nationality (see: Juan Mari Bras). Puerto Rican nationality was recognized in 1898 after Spain ceded the island to the United States as a result of the Spanish-American War. In 1917, the United States granted Puerto Ricans U.S. citizenship without the requirement that the islanders renounce their PR citizenship. Since then, everyone born in Puerto Rico are both Puerto Ricans and U.S. citizens. There is no need to renounce since Puerto Ricans do not need a passport to go to the mainland and have the same rights and can participate in every activity as U.S. citizens.Jones ActRace, Space and Puerto Rican Citizenship 
While it is true that Puerto Rico is a "territory" (fancy word for colony) of the United States, it is non-the-less a nation in its own right (not an independent one) with an option for independence. Puerto Rico has more in common with Latin America then it has with the United States. Puerto Rico can be considered the "United States" if and when the people of Puerto Rico decide to ask for U.S. statehood and said status is granted by the U.S. Government. Until that happens, it is a Latin American country territory of the U.S. in the Caribbean. It cannot be considered the "United States" as "Hong Kong" was not considered to be "England". Thank you Tony the Marine (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish-Puerto Ricans

message: i am of partial irish heritage and have lived in and around b'more since coming here for college. i have never thought of the city as having an especially large or active irish population. i'd like to see some justification for b'more's inclusion in that list.the irish origins of the name and the irish connection of the calvert family don't really suffice.Toyokuni3 (talk) 14:32, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Baltimore

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message: "Greeley, Nebraska (population 580) has the highest percentage of Irish-American residents (46%) of any town or city with a population of over 500 in the United States."
The US Census Ancestry listed 42.5% of the town's population indicated Irish descent.  This is less than Milton, Massachusetts which lists 43% of reported ancestries as Irish.  This  indicates Milton is the most Irish town (only including 5000+).  Does anyone have a source that Greeley NE is the most "Irish" town other than the 2000 Census?  (Milton has a population around 26K.)
As I was typing this up I decided to check a few other places that I know are very Irish and hit on Marshfield (44.9% Irish, 24K total).  As such I've removed the claim.  PantsB (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greeley Nebraska 

message: Why has no section been included on the contribution of Irish people to the development of New Zealand? I think there are far more Kiwis of Irish descent than there are Bermudans or Puerto Ricans. Also, what about Irish emigration to Rhodesia? I know there are few remaining whites in Zim nowadays but surely the Irish have played a role in that country's development and history?!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.86.81.20 (talk) 01:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Zealand 

message: hi new user so sorry if i have messed up  ???
Montserrat..
I think the article should include more in relation to Montserrat and the Caribbean in general.  the fact that Montserrat is officially known as "the emerald isle of the Caribbean" and that their immigration stamp is a shamrock is worth noting.  st Patrick's day celebrations are a dual celebration as their was a black slave up-rising on this day (helped by the Irish) against the British.  their flag has Erin paying a harp on a blue back ground with the union jack on the top left.  many place names in Montserrat are of Irish origin...  i don't think Cromwell deported the Irish here but they had been attracted (from Barbados where they had been deported from) here as they could practice their faith openly without repression.  
some greater reference should be made to the deportation of the Irish by Cromwell to Barbados and jamaica 
"to Hell or Barbados: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ireland"
by Sean O'Callaghan .. goes into some detail in this regard.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skintandbroke (talk • contribs) 01:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montserrat 

message: Characteristics of older Bermudian accents, such as the pronunciation of the letter 'd' as 'dj', as in Bermudjin (Bermudian), may also indicate an Irish origin.
Any source for this? Looks spurious to me. There's nothing Irish about "-dian" turning into "-djin". Flapdragon (talk) 15:30, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid point.  - Lugnad (talk) 09:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On reflection - slavery is there, but it is fragmented - a case could be made for a separate paragraph.  I note the phrase "Oliver Cromwell deported many Irish prisoners of war". This is inaccurate, (not POWs),  but until I get a good reference I won't amend. - Lugnad (talk) 09:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish influence on accent of Bermuda

message: Little to no references to slavery, forced labour as well as the slave industries use of Irish slaves made at all in factors for the Irish diaspora. This conforms to the mainstream, but openly quite incorrect, idea that the Irish were not treated as barbaricly as Carribean natives and Africans by the colonial powers at the time.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.210.208 (talk) 00:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Valid point.  - Lugnad (talk) 09:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: On reflection - slavery is there, but it is fragmented - a case could be made for a separate paragraph.  I note the phrase "Oliver Cromwell deported many Irish prisoners of war". This is inaccurate, (not POWs),  but until I get a good reference I won't amend. - Lugnad (talk) 09:17, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slavery 

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message: Oirish redirects here. Surely it should redirect to Plastic Paddy if it doesn't warrant its own article? --Ef80 (talk) 00:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oirish 

message: The article refers to "Scotch Irish" several times.  Isn't the proper usage Scots Irish?  Foreignshore (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an old American term. Nobody in Britain or Ireland uses it as far as I'm aware. "Scotch" continues to be used in a number of old names, most obviously whisky but also "Scotch Egg". --Ef80 (talk) 13:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: But, yes, there is an increasing view that "Scots Irish" is more approriate; see discussion at Talk:Scotch-Irish Americans. A clear consensus has not emerged there yet, but it is probably inevitable over the coming few years because of the increasing number of sources that prefer "Scots Irish" and deprecate "Scotch Irish". As with many things, WP is often a bit behind active usage currency, waiting until the reliable-source preference for one form of a term over another becomes overwhelming.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Scotch Irish"? 

message: I just updated the status of David Cameron from 'current' to 'former' Prime Minister - and out of interest looked at his Wikipedia entry. However, on his page he himself refers to his ancestry as Welsh, Scottish and English. Can someone who is familiar with his ancestry either add his Irish roots on his page, or if there isn't any Irish connection please remove his mention on this article.Ray3055 (talk) 18:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Cameron 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Add Colombia to the Map Jhoan Batipse (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We don't have any referenced material in the article to support there being a significant diaspora population in Colombia. Please provide references. Canterbury Tail talk 02:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colombia  

message: I propose that the section about Bermuda be split into a separate page called Irish Immigration to Bermuda. The content of the section is only marginally related to the main article, and this section is large and well-sourced enough to make its own page. Shoreranger (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: as this does not seem to be a controversial decision, to my understanding it can be split without issue. ᚴᛁᚾᚷ ᚼᛒ Talk, Guestbook 21:37, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  as the nominator, is this something you are proposing to move forward with yourself? If not, and if no others do or can action the proposal, the "split" tag should perhaps be removed. (As the thread is not active and the tag not serving a specific purpose.) Guliolopez (talk) 20:32, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting proposal 

message: Will just add them here as I run across them:
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*  – "This volume contains a selection of the best papers from the conference, ﬁve invited chapters, and an introduction, for a total of nearly 149,000 words." Also covers Scottish, Welsh, etc.
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*  – "A massive, scrupulously edited case studies of early emigrants from Ireland (most from Ulster)"
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*  – Covers more than Irish (German, African, etc.).
* See also: Talk:Ulster Scots people#Additional sources, Talk:Scotch-Irish Americans#Additional sources, Talk:Scotch-Irish Canadians#Additional sources.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional sources