Talk:North Caucasian languages

message: * Diakonov I.M., Starostin S.A. Hurro-Urartian as an Eastern Caucasian Languages. Münchener Studien zur Sprachwissenschaft, R. Kitzinger, München 1986.
* Дьяконов И.М., Старостин С.А., Хуррито-урартские и восточнокавказские языки// Сб. "Древний Восток. Этнокультурные связи", стр. 164-208. Изд-во "Hаука", Главная редакция восточной литературы, Москва, 1988.
* Дьяконов И.М. Языки древней Передней Азии. М. 1963.
* Дьяконов И.М. Алародии (Хурриты, урарты, кутии, чеченцы и дагестанцы) // Сб. Алародии: этногенетические исследования. Махачкала, 1995.
* Старостин С.А., Николаев С.Л. Севернокавказские языки и их место среди других языковых семей Передней Азии//Cб. Лингвистическая реконструкция и древнейшая история Востока. "Hаука", Главная редакция восточной литературы, Москва, 1984.--Awarenstuermer 12:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, but some sources in English would be quite helpful. Do you happen to have any? (not that I cannot bite through Russian text) --Pet'usek [petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom] 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hurrians were Northeast-Caucasian People

message: Below is my slowly growing suggestion for the part on PNC. I plan to use works by Nichols and Starostin/Nikolayev.
Nikolayev and Starostin reconstruct the following phoneme inventory for the North Caucasian proto-language:
Obstruents	Obstruents           	Obstruents	Obstruents    	Obstruents	Obstruents   	Obstruents	Obstruents	Obstruents	Obstruents	Obstruents 	Obstruents
          	                     	Labials   	Dentals       	Dentals   	Dentals      	Dentals   	Dentals   	Velars    	Uvulars   	Epiglottals	Glottals
          	                     	Labials   	(Interdentals)	Alveolars 	Postalveolars	Palatals  	Laterals  	Velars    	Uvulars   	Epiglottals	Glottals
Stops     	voiceless (aspirated)	p         	              	t         	             	          	          		k        		q        	ʡ          	ʔ
Stops     	voiced               	b         	              	d         	             	          	          	g         		ɢ        	           	
Stops     	glottalized          	p’        	              	t’        	             	          	          	k’        		q’       	           	
Affricates	voiceless (aspirated)	(f)       	              	ts        	tʃ           	tɕ        	tɬ        	          	          	           	
Affricates	voiced               	          	              	dz        	dʒ           	dʑ        	dɮ        	          	          	           	
Affricates	glottalized          	          	              	ts’       	tʃ’          	tɕ’       	tɬ’       	          	          	           	
Fricatives	voiceless            	          	(θ)           	s         	ʃ            	ɕ         	ɬ         		x        	χ         	ʜ          	h
Fricatives	voiced               	          	(ð)           	z         	ʒ            	ʑ         	(ɮ)       	(ɣ)       	ʁ         	ʢ          	ɦ
Sonorants 	Sonorants            	Sonorants 	Sonorants     	Sonorants 	Sonorants    	Sonorants 	Sonorants 	Sonorants 	Sonorants 	Sonorants  	Sonorants
Plain     	Plain                	w         	r             				l      	             	          	          	          	          	           	
Glides    	Glides               	u̯        	j             				ɫ      	             	          	          	          	          	           	
Nasals    	Nasals               	m         	n             	          	             	          	          	          	          	           	
...oh, pity I don't have time to finish it now... --Pet'usek [petrdothrubisatgmaildotcom] 22:28, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proto-North Caucasian

message: Arguments over the validity of glottochronology notwithstanding, the majority of researchers consider Ubykh to be more closely related to Abkhaz-Abaza and not Circassian (see e.g. Viacheslav Chirikba's Common West Caucasian (1996), pp. 7-8, and also Wim Lucassen's paper Ubykh's Position in Northwest Caucasian (1997), in A Sumru Özsoy (ed.), Proceedings of the Conference on Northwest Caucasian Linguistics, Novus Forlag, Oslo), so even on its face the glottochronological tree graph doesn't accurately reflect the current consensus, and so it should be removed at least until it can be properly sourced. Thefamouseccles (talk) 02:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Glottochronological graph

message: What's the relationship between this entry and Northeast Caucasian languages, are they the same? or some disambugiation is necessary?-Aronlee90 (talk) 11:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Something should be noted