Talk:The Scream

message: I added the following:
: Kelly Grovier has suggested that another exhibit at the Paris exposition may have inspired the head of the figure. A collection of 20 000 light bulbs in the shape of a giant bulb was in the pavilion celebrating Thomas Edison's inventions.How Science and Tech Left an Imprint on 3 Iconic Paintings, Kelly Grovier, Wired, January 9th, 2019. Excerpted from A New Way of Seeing: The History of Art in 57 Works 
but User:Oknazevad has deleted it with:
:The Kelly Grovier theory has little evidence and seems to be not widely supported.
I leave it here in case someone finds it interesting or wants to explore further support. --Error (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Edison lamp

message: Why is the German title given so prominently in the lead and the infobox picture caption? In the lead it even takes precedence over its Norwegian name. I can't find anything in the article to suggest why a German title is important, was given by Munch etc. It seems a weird irrelevance. Either if it was relevant, it should be explained why it is relevant, or removed - this is English Wikipedia, not German Wikipedia after all. 86.129.171.122 (talk) 10:03, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Tend to agree, given that the title Der Schrei der Natur is not mentioned at either the de.wiki Der Schrei or at the no.wiki  Skrik. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's mentioned because it's the original title. The work was created while Munch was living in Berlin and made its public debut at a Berlin gallery show. Munch titled it in German. This has been discussed previously (see the archives) and the full German title is sourced in the article. That the German and Norwegian articles miss that detail is if no bearing in the facts. oknazevad (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks for reminding me. I looked in the Talk page archive, but could not find any previous discussion. Which source is that? Do you think it's fully justified in the infobox? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:50, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find it in this article's talk page archives either, nor in the FAC discussions. I think this should be explained and sourced more clearly in our article. German Wikipedia's article writes that it was "Geschrei" originally (see also this lithography which has both "Geschrei" and "Ich fühlte das große Geschrei durch die Natur" written on it, but not "Schrei der Natur"). Not doubting what Oknazevad wrote, but obviously it's confusing readers, and it's hard to see which sources apply here. ---Sluzzelin talk 15:50, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that User:Pnyeg has now simplified the opening line. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, what he did was completely remove the title in Danish and German completely, despite it being sourced. It was not an improvement on the least and I'm reverting it outright. oknazevad (talk) 20:54, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We best not forget this is en.wiki? But I agree those other, sourced, titles should certainly not be removed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Native language titles are included for artworks even when there's a common name in English. Just as foreign language films include the title in the original language, or pretty much anything that has a non-English native name. No one is proposing moving the article, so omitting the native titles (which again are the title under which it was first exhibited in Berlin, and the artist's native language) removes key information. So, yeah, definitely do not remove them. oknazevad (talk) 21:02, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The German title 

message: In Britain at least, most people and the media seem to think that the *woman* is screaming. As we see from Munch's title this is completely wrong, it is the surrounding Nature that is screaming, and the woman is covering her ears not to hear it; her mouth is only open in horror. I think this misapprehension should be more clearly brought out and corrected in the the article, as it is a very commonly held  belief. 86.187.236.58 (talk) 16:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems pretty clear from the text and Munch's quotes that it is nature that is screaming. Wikipedia works on sources, so if an art critic, historian, or author has further comment on this it can be used to clarify. The human figure, though, is part of nature, and could be seen as joining with the rest of nature in its scream. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Plus the figure is not a woman. Not inherently, anyway. oknazevad (talk) 17:42, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Yes, as mentioned above, the original title, in German, was Der Schrei der Natur. But I don't see how The Scream can be "completely wrong " if Munch himself also also used the title Skrik for later versions. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is screaming?