Talk:Tartarus

message: I changed "Tartarus is hemmed in by three layers of night, which surround a Beryllium wall, which in turn encompasses Tartarus. It is a dank and wretched pit engulfed in murky gloom." to remove the part about the "Beryllium wall", since that was clearly an anachronism. Beryllium was discovered in 1798, and cannot have been mentioned in classical mythology.Chignecto (talk) 01:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anachronism

message: Someone recently added the etymology to tartarus, claiming it to be "tartarizo" ('shivering cold'). I've never heard this before, and no searches turn up anything. I've been searching for an etymology for years and never really found anything, so, I'm wondering about the accuracy of this etymology. --Sfida 06:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology? 

message: I have some serious doubts about this section; most neopagans seem to endorse reincarnation or some kind of Summerland idea of the afterlife, and while Hellenic polytheism allows for many and varied views of the afterlife, I have never heard anyone in the Hellenic polytheist community describe Tartarus as anything even remotely close to the Christian Hell, or draw an analogy between Cronos and Satan.  The only reference to this I've ever seen is a tongue-in-cheek parody of an anti-Catholic Chick tract, which, while quite funny, doesn't represent the actual religious views of its author. Unless some major new information is brought forward, I'm inclined to delete the section, because I really don't think neopagans have any kind of a consistent view on this topic. - AdelaMae (talk - contribs) 06:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tartarus in [[neopaganism]] 

message: I removed the section about "Christian Tartarus" as I am not familiar with any such reference and couldn't find any references. If I'm mistaken, then please by all means restore the deleted section ***and provide references to back it up*** . Thank you.
Zero sharp 04:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Xtian section

message: There are some really big errors and misunderstandings in this article.
* Hades is a God, not a place. Hades has erroneously come to mean the underworld in lay usage, however, and some people argued that in the Hades article, readers would expect to see Hades as refering to underworld - and so it should stay. But I doubt that argument holds here. For the sake of clarity, the underworld should be called the "underworld" (but I will add that modern usage also erroneously refers to the underworld as "Hades").
* Tartarus is not "below" the underworld in ANY SENSE. It is merely a part of the underworld.
* Hesiod's Theogony DOES NOT say that Tartarus was the son of Aether and Gaia: Tartarus, along with Nyx, Erebus, Gaia and Eros, were the first beings to come into existence from kaos (chaos).
* Also, I don't remember the Iliad refering to the underworld as "Hades". That is a gross misquotation. In fact, I don't remember that story being in Iliad, but I may be wrong about that. [Indeed, I am: Homer does say this; but it is contradictory to the rest of Iliad, so presenting this line as fact without context is misleading - Krea 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive Errors 

message: Someone has included yet another etymology, "deep place" -- does anyone have any confirmation on whether this is a true etymology or not? Should I add a fact tag? --Serph 20:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Return of Etymology 

message: There is no mention of the Danaids in the bit mentioning people who were eternally punished.  I'm certain there was another person as well but I will have to check.  TheTrojanHought 16:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danaids 

message: In P3 the place where you trained by fighting the Shadows was called Tartarus. Half the point of the game was to get to the highest floor of Tartarus.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.58.2 (talk) 14:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persona 3 

message: I was flipping through channels awhile back and became entranced by the hypnotic powers of televangelist/re-animated cadaver Mack Lyon. According to Lyon, good people go to Paradise and evil people go to Tartarus. When the Final Judgment arrives, the righteous will be allowed to enter Heaven and the wicked will be cast into Hell. (Apparently, making your devoted servants wait just outside the walls of your home for thousands of years is an expression of divine love.) I've never heard this theological interpretation before, so this belief is probably not widely held and it may not be noteworthy enough for inclusion in the article, but there it is.  63.215.28.84 (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mack Lyon 

message: I took out the external link.  It was an obvious spamming attempt.  Nothing related to our tartarus.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikringmar (talk • contribs) 00:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  took out external link 

message: The archvillian Lord Recluse derives his power from Tartarus.  I took the liberty of adding this. AkuTenshiiZero (talk) 02:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: City of Villians

message: i changed the gloss after gehenna from 'fiery pit' to 'hinnom valley' (hinnom is a dude's name).  that's what the word actually means.  (gei = valley)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.104.128 (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  gehenna = fiery pit? 

message: The article says that the word 'torture' comes from 'tartarus'. In the Oxford English Dictionary, it says that the word torture comes from Latin 'tortura' (twisting, torment), from 'torquere' (to twist).--Jcvamp (talk) 17:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torture 

message: Image:HinducosmoMap3.svg|thumb|Click! Vivasvan, Rahu, Bhūmi, Naraka, Ananta, Garbhodaksayi Vishnu|150px|alt=Click!
rect 171 2 219 29 w:Vivasvan
rect 168 36 219 62 w:Rahu
rect 172 174 232 200 w:Bhūmi
rect 164 298 298 318 w:Naraka
rect 174 319 276 335 w:Ananta
rect 102 374 267 395 w:Garbhodaksayi Vishnu
There's too much christian data on this article as if the bible is the original source of the words, when it's not, tartarus is a greek word, not hebrew nor latin, hades is not a hell nor a heaven.
If the article clearly refers to greek mythology, then let's get rid of christian mythology from all the greek mythology once and for all.
citing the bible as source to something belonging to greek mythology is simply Wrong!--201.247.28.7 (talk) 07:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the "hell" tag should be removed. "Hell" is a Abrahamic concept and not synonomous with underworld. I will remove if there is support and no objections.JanderVK (talk) 13:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: hell..

message: The article for Hades states that Tartarus is one of the three main parts of Hades, alongside the Asphodel Fields and Elysium.  So why is there such a discrepency between the two articles?  142.26.194.190 (talk) 21:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Below Hades? 

message: I read the entire article. Let me now make a few comments.
1. "Some myths also say he imprisoned the three Hecatonchires (giants with fifty heads and one hundred arms)"
Which myths? This needs a source.
2. "In some versions, the Danaides murdered their husbands and were punished in Tartarus by being forced to carry water in a jug to fill a bath which will thereby wash off their sins, but the jugs were actually sieves so the water always leaked out."
Saying that "some versions" say something is not enough. There is no source for this.
Unless the sources for the Greek and Roman mythology are clearly listed, the information is not valid. I assume that the section on Greek mythology from "In the Greek poet Hesiod's Theogony" to "Zeus to smite him with a thunderbolt." is to be attributed to Hesiod. Using delimiters and subsections like "Hesiod" and "Plato" is probably a good idea.
ICE77 (talk) 22:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Souces not clear or listed 

message: Under the "New Testament" section it lists Job as mentioning Tartarus. "Tartarus occurs in the Septuagint of Job 40:20, 41:21 but otherwise is only known in Hellenistic Jewish literature from the Greek text of 1 Enoch 20:2 where Uriel is the jailer of 200 angels that sinned."
This is incorrect as Job is believed to be one of the oldest books written and would not have been influenced by Greek culture. Job 40:20 and 41:21 do not contain any reference to an underworld of any kind. I've removed the part about Job from this section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gr4yJ4Y (talk • contribs) 20:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Job? 

message: If an abyss is a **bottomless pit**, then how can there be such a thing as a "deep abyss"?
I'm not a native English speaker, so I won't make this change myself, but I suspect this is not quite right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:980:93A5:1:79F6:4BF5:64C:5FBD (talk) 14:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Tartarus is described in the article as a "deep abyss" partly because that's the direct translation of Ancient Greek descriptions of Tartarus, and thus, should not be modified more than necessary, and partly because in English and many other languages, mythic places, objects and beings are often described via exaggeration through tautology, i.e., "highest of the high," "greatest of the great"--Mr Fink (talk) 15:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can an abyss be deep? 

message: The piece originally said "In ancient Orphic sources and in the mystery schools, Tartarus is also the unbounded first-existing entity from which the light and the cosmos are born."   After extensive searching, I conclude that this confuses Nyx and Tartarus. Nyx was the original entity in Orphism, not Tartarus. This false claim about Tartarus is widely copied across websites that use Wikipedia as a source. I have removed it to avoid the falsehood propagating any further. 2A00:23C6:2498:8E01:92B:6475:9D3C:E97B (talk) 21:54, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphic reference removed