Talk:Venetic language

message: The article became a mess after 16:57 16 September, when an anonymous came by while I was on Wiki-break (Sep 12--Oct 1st). Before that, it was a skeletal article---not much, but somewhat clean. I have reverted it back to September 12th, to bypass any need for rewriting (this is the solution I prefer, anyway). -Alexander 007 09:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverted

message: Please take a look at this stub: Venet. Are these two articles relative? - Caiyu (采豫) 04:56, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I redirected Venet to Veneti. The Venet stub contained pseudo-historical information. Alexander 007 06:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Need your help

message: I have Leonard R. Palmer's The Latin Language (1954) that contains the same personal pronoun examples for Venetic, Latin, and Gothic as well as Hittite. Since this is earlier than Pokorny and more extensive, I suggest replacing the current examples with Palmer's. Though I do not have Pokorny in front of me, I would hazard a guess that his examples came from Palmer originally. Are there any objections to this? Trollaxor 20:48, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mr. Trollaxor, you are absolutely correct; Palmer is both earlier and more elaborate than Pokorny. Since Pokorny adds nothing new to topic, Palmer is therefore more authoritative. If you are unable to proceed with these changes, I have the sources on hand and can step in. Dr. C.S. Lewis-Barrie, Ph.D. (talk) 19:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronominal Examples 

message: I have returned the mentioning of Liburnian which actually was related to Venetic. This has been suggested on the basis of Liburnian toponymic and onomastic evidence which contains elements and phonetic developments parallel to those seen in Venetic. For more on this see J. Untermann's Venetisches in Dalmatien, H. Krahe's Die Sprache der Illyrier and J.P. Mallory's In Search of the Indo-Europeans. --Jalen (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liburnian language 

message: There are a lot of Venetic/Illyrian/Messapic names in common: Venetic Moldo, Moldonkeo, Messapic Moldahtas; Venetic Van(e?)(u?)tos, Messapic Vaanetos (C. Insc. Messa. 149); Venetic Plaetorius, Messapic Plator-, Illyrian Plator; etc. etc. What does the literature say about this? The ancient literature did often group them all together as Illyric peoples. See for example this Venetic inscription: mego dona.s.to va.n.t.s. mo.l.do.n.ke.o="Vantus Moldonkeo gave me". Both Van(e?)tos and Moldonkeo have attested Messapic counterparts: Moldahtas, Vaanetos. Alex (talk) 01:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be, but given the geographic closeness, it at least equally plausible that the names are borrowed (whatever the direction). Names are notoriously unreliable indicators of ethnic (let alone linguistic) affiliation, and the same can be said about the groupings made in ancient literature – ancient scholars were not linguists in the modern sense and had no methodically stringent concept of language classification. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:09, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Venetic/Illyrian/Messapic names in common

message: Why do scholars claim that they "understand" Venetic language. But when you show them longest Venetic written script they have no clue?
:What do you mean? Your English is poor and makes it unclear what you are referring to exactly, so you need to describe what you mean by "longest Venetic written script" (the longest known Venetic inscription? Which inscription are you thinking of?) more precisely, and name the scholars you have asked.
:Nobody claims that Venetic is a Romance or Germanic language. (You might be thinking of Venetian, a modern Romance language, descended from Latin. Venetic is related to Latin, as it is clearly an Indo-European language, but it is not a descendant of Latin – it existed in parallel, like a sister or cousin, not a daughter.) There are two lexical parallels with Germanic, both pronominal, but that doesn't say much; lexicon is volatile and frequently borrowed. The most important and decisive similarities are with the Italic languages, and with Latin in particular. As for Illyrian, it is too poorly known to tell how Venetic (which is itself only fragmentarily known, after all) might have been related to it, but what little we have from Illyrian does not resemble either Venetic or Italic particularly strikingly, except perhaps the Liburnian topographic material from Istria, and therefore, it may not be proper to call this material "Illyrian" at all. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A serious question. If Venetic was centum, romanic, germanic language then why it was not deciphered yet?