Talk:Conseil scolaire Viamonde/Archive 1

message: Wiki requires that comments be signed by their authors. This is also necessary when communicating over time. I am simply ignoring comments that are not identified by name and the date since its immposible to follow such discussions. Please play by the rules or don't play at all.--GST2006 02:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irony? --Qviri (talk) 03:20, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL--GST2006 17:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry but hard to have discussions here 

message: *I agree with Qviri's views. The controversies read much better now and look well balanced.--GST2006 15:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: consensus and resolution of issues

message: The following expansion to this article is contemplated.
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The CSDCSO is a member of the Association des conseillers(ères) des écoles publique de l'Ontario (ACÉPO) which are French language school boards that not only teach in the French language but function administratively in French. They are not officially bilingual school boards. Ontario's regular public schools also maintain French immersion programs where the whole coriculum is provided in French only. They also teach French language as part of the normal language curriculum with the balance of eductional serviced provided in English.  + The CSDCSO is a member of the Association des conseillers(ères) des écoles publique de l'Ontario (ACÉPO) which are French language school boards that not only teach in the French language but function administratively in French. They are not officially bilingual school boards. Ontario's regular public schools also maintain French immersion programs.  
    
It should be noted that the regular public school systems also provide International Language instructors for all other world languages only where numbers of student warrant classes. The International Language Departments have instructors, not officially called teachers and not part of the teaching staff (as are the French and English teacher), but belong to the same class of school employee as the office clerks and janitorial staff with much less pay, benefits and pension. 
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The main purpose for the above expansion is to contrast between the services provided by this public board of eduction vs the services provided by regular public boards which overlap. The part about the International Language Instructors is to include areas which are not touched upon much but are nevertheless important distinctions to the multi-cultural make-up of Ontario where most bilingual people are not bilingual with english and french and most language/cultural groups in Ontario are much more numerous than the French but are not getting any special priviledges like the Franco-Ontarians get with Public Education.
Perhaps some of this touches areas that are better in other Wiki pages and looking for the Wiki community to help find a suitable for home for this important and interesting information.--GST2006 18:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quebec separatists claim multicuralism was put forth as a policy to dilute the French history and heritage of this country. You might be proving them right and helping them, which is a damn shame. You are trying to put an OFFICIAL language of Canada on the same level as all other languages spoken by minorities in Canada, with total disrepect for the constitution, the BNA act, and the history of this country  - yet you as simply using multiculturalism as a trojan horse when you have no interest whasoever in their rights. the fact you are bringing this up on a school board page is ludicrous -- Miquelon
**You seem to be wanting to exagerate the issue of the French minority groups out side of Quebec. Most people in Canada believe they should be treated the same as any other minority group outside of Quebec especialy since Canada is a Multi-cultural country with many cultures.  It is obvious and clear that the French Public school system is not about education. It is about creating public jobs and managing public spending applying discrimination, favoratism and nepotism. --GST2006 12:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  THEN YOU SHOULD SHUT DOWN ANGLO SCHOOLS IN QUEBEC BY THAT SAME LOGIC -- Miquelon
**You added a section about the Auditor General of Ontario, however the Auditor Genneral of Ontario does not perform "Value Audits" on School Boards and other municipal organizations as such the Value received has not been reviewed and whatever measures used are biased from the large number of bilingual Canadians that occupy higher public service generally including the office of Auditor General in Ontario who are mostly first language Francaphones who are partial to their own minority group.--GST2006 12:04, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggested additions and expansion 

message: ===Freedom of Information Act problems===
The school board has been the target of numerous Freedom of Information Act requests for access to its public records generally dealing with management of provincial funding, its hiring practices, and its record keeping of the public funding it receives from the taxpayers. In each case the board has been found in violation of the Freedom of Information Act by the Information and Privacy Commission of Ontario and ordered to comply with the law. 
Its predecessor, Conseil des écoles françaises de la communauté urbaine de Toronto, had very similar problems complying with its obligations on similar Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Legislation requests for information and records. 
The above is the section as it currently reads. It is a noteworthy piece which simply records a fact of the existance of Violations of the Freedom on Information Act and the general nature of the requests for records they have problems giving access to the public and need Tribunal Orders. This is not saying anything judgemental. It is a statement of fact without any opinion being renders. Reader are free to read and do research to draw their on conclusion about what its all about. Your edits want to lay blame, cast doubt or render judgements about anyone or group being right or wrong in executing their public right to see public records. I don't care if the Board was aske for ten thousand requests and was found only in Violation once. Likewise it is irrelevant it there where dozens of time that requesters made frivolous request. The character of the requesters have nothing to do with the subject or the issue of Violations of laws. The board was found in violation of its obligations by a Tribunal. Those are notable events hence they are published by the Information and Privacy Commission. If you want to write an article on Freedom of Information Requests per se, then maybe you can add things there. But these is nothing relevant to this Article about what you are proposing to add. You are trying to create controversies that don't exist. It looks like you are trying too start a fire or dispute when there is nothing to dispute about his sub-section.--GST2006 20:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm done here, WikiWoo. I'll see you on the other end of your banstick. Qviri (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * You act like a hooligan going around trying to pick fights with people who are trying to contribute to Wiki. Hope you will find something more useful to do on Wiki. Maybe areas where you have some expertise. There must be all kinds of things on Poland you know more about than Centre South West Ontario.--GST2006 21:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: * Just saw the incredible vandalism and grafitti on my user page and talk page. Because you have no legitimate case against my contributions you are reverting to Stalking, Ganstering and Bullying.--GST2006 00:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus on the FOI issue section 

message: The school board has been the target of numerous Freedom of Information Act requests for access to its public records generally dealing with management of provincial funding, its hiring practices, and its record keeping of the public funding it receives from the taxpayers. In each case the board has been found in violation of the Freedom of Information Act by the Information and Privacy Commission of Ontario and ordered to comply with the law. 
Its predecessor, Conseil des écoles françaises de la communauté urbaine de Toronto, had very similar problems complying with its obligations on similar Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Legislation requests for information and records. 
The above is the section as it currently reads. It is a noteworthy piece which simply records a fact of the existance of Violations of the Freedom on Information Act and the general nature of the requests for records they have problems giving access to the public and need Tribunal Orders. This is not saying anything judgemental. It is a statement of fact without any opinion being renders. Reader are free to read and do research to draw their on conclusion about what its all about. Your edits want to lay blame, cast doubt or render judgements about anyone or group being right or wrong in executing their public right to see public records. I don't care if the Board was aske for ten thousand requests and was found only in Violation once. Likewise it is irrelevant it there where dozens of time that requesters made frivolous request. The character of the requesters have nothing to do with the subject or the issue of Violations of laws. The board was found in violation of its obligations by a Tribunal. Those are notable events hence they are published by the Information and Privacy Commission. If you want to write an article on Freedom of Information Requests per se, then maybe you can add things there. But these is nothing relevant to this Article about what you are proposing to add. You are trying to create controversies that don't exist. It looks like you are trying too start a fire or dispute when there is nothing to dispute about his sub-section.--GST2006 20:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm done here, WikiWoo. I'll see you on the other end of your banstick. Qviri (talk) 20:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: * You act like a hooligan going around trying to pick fights with people who are trying to contribute to Wiki. Hope you will find something more useful to do on Wiki. Maybe areas where you have some expertise. There must be all kinds of things on Poland you know more about than Centre South West Ontario.--GST2006 21:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: * Just saw the incredible vandalism and grafitti on my user page and talk page. Because you have no legitimate case against my contributions you are reverting to Stalking, Ganstering and Bullying.--GST2006 00:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Freedom of Information Act problems

message: The history section was added by members of CSDCSO up to the part starting....Prior to 1998... which existed before. There is no cite to this first part and I could not find anything by searching goolgle about the existance of any ban on French education from 1912 till the late 1960's. I am of the opinion this may a false statment used to make French Ontarians look like some kind of victims to Ontario Language practice (like the actual persecution of English speaker as occurs in Quebec even today). Making Ontario French look like victims of anything cannot be further from truth. I personally do not remember a time in the 1960's that French was not taught in Ontario schools. In fact I remember doing French in elementary school in the early 1960's. I believe that this material which is not sourced and no cite is given may in fact be fabricated falsehoods. If I do not hear anything on this point defending the leaving the statement in and as being factual and verifiable, I intend to delete it some time tomorrow when I get the chance.--GST2006 20:38, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Part of the History section