Talk:Simferopol

message: I removed the phrase regarding water: Salgir is too small and polluted to be the water source. Anyway. it's not important - we don't usually specify where do cities get their water.AlexPU
: Salgir is too small and polluted to be the water source.
:O-la-la! Who told you this?! I've drunk water from Salgir many times, and I'm alive, you know. %))) And a half of the city is provided with Salgir water from the city's storage pond.
:Don Alessandro 21:09, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Water

message: I think the Greek etymology of Symferopol maybe is partial wrong:
The substantive "symferon" (Συμφερον)" ancient greek meaning is closer to advantage/profit/interest/benefit - anything is good to someone.
See here (Liddell-Scott-Jones Greek-English Lexicon) http://stephanus.tlg.uci.edu/lsj/#eid=10552&context=search:
b.  in neut. as Subst., συμφέρον, οντος, τό, use, profit, advantage...
Vardos (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know Greek or Russian, but we need to be consistent with ourselves. We currently say:
The name comes from the Greek Sympheropolis (Greek: Συμφερόπολις), meaning city of common good. in the Etymology section, and
The name Simferopol is in Greek, Συμφερόπολις (Simferopolis), and literally means "the city of usefulness." in the Russian Empire and Civil War section. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

text: Russian is my mother tongue but it is nothing to help. We did not adopt any words of 'symf' root. Better ask Greek people. As far as I know Crimeans use 'usefulness'  meaning, at least it is the literal translation of 'город пользы'. But 'pol'za' in Russian is not neutral term, it is very positive, more like 'beneficial'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:71FC:6800:69FD:9933:E987:DBAD (talk) 18:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

text: I am a native speaker of Greek and the word comes from the verb "συμφέρω" which means: "to be beneficial". A derivative is the adjective "o συμφέρων" (masculine), "η συμφέρουσα" (feminine), "το συμφέρον" (neuter), which loosely translated in English, it means: Something deemed to be beneficial/profitable. Therefore, to a native Greek speaker, the word Symferopolis, does not, directly, make a lot of sense, however I can see how it can be interpreted as "the city of usefulness." I guess, I could understand it as "The city where it is beneficial to live".Xwpis ONOMA (talk) 19:22, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: On other pages at the Wikipedia about disputed areas the country which controlls it get the label, for example: Arunachal Pradesh, Tawang District. It is also the most rational solution at any kind of encyclopedia not to comply with that what local or international law dictates, but the absolute physical characteristic. In this case maybe Ukraine, maybe Russia 'should' hold the label, but in reality it is the former for now. I understand it is quite a rare ocasion to see borders changing, so people don't have many opportunies to excercise their objectivism. So please consider keeping consistency.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.17.84.82 (talk) 09:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country 

message: CodeCat (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Village pump discussion on neutrality in Crimea-related articles 

message: I reverted an edit since I did not see any value (interchanging Russia and Ukraine), and it was immediately reverted without any explanation (no explanation was given for the orifinal edit either). If explanation is not forthcoming, I am going to bring the article back to the original state per WP:BRD.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:51, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No response in a day, reverting.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted edit 

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message: Forgot 
* Digital Valley (Tsifrovaya Dolina)
</br> silicon industry, computers, wafers and microelectronics, it, other related.
--~~ sameha
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thread_title:  Technology 

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message: You made a bold edit (removing the pushpin map), I reverted. According to WP:BRD, discussion should begin. Since the pushpin has two options (showing the location in Crimea and showing it in Ukraine), that's the one I prefer. If we can't reach a consensus, we can return to status quo (i.e. the version prior to the dispute) or seek dispute resolution, see WP:NOCONSENSUS (mentioning this since I assume from your edit summary  that you didn't know the procedure). Rsk6400 (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant by that is the fact that you are returning to an older version in absence of conflict. You asked to keep a flexible map - I did, so I see no basis for your revert. Summer talk 10:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I called my preferred version of the map "flexible" because it allows the user to choose between three options. And, since Simferopol is internationally recognized as part of Ukraine, we should have a map showing it as such. Rsk6400 (talk) 10:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Once again: WP:NPOV is "represent both opinions equally", not "if one POV is rejected by the other POV then it shouldn't be mentioned at all". There's no need for multiple different maps when one is more than enough. Summer talk 08:17, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn’t. Please don’t put quotation marks around your opinions and misrepresent them as our policies. See WP:VALID.  —Michael Z. 22:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: SummerKrut, please take a look at WP:NOCONSENSUS. You didn't get consensus yet for removing the map which shows Ukraine. Before you removed it for the first time (12:43, 10 June 2023), it had been there for a very long time, so that is the version that should be kept until a different consensus is reached. Feel free to seek dispute resolution. Rsk6400 (talk) 16:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The map