Talk:List of The West Wing politicians

message: ===Character and Actor name formatting===
All the character entries should be standardized similar to the following:
** Josiah Edward "Jed" Bartlet — Martin Sheen (Seasons 1–7)
** Matthew Vincente Santos — Jimmy Smits (Ep. 7.22)
(edit this page to see format, if uncertain)
- jc37 18:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WestWingTranscripts.com, the senator in The Lame Duck Congress is Senator Greys and there is no senator in any episode with the last name "Grace." The subtitles may or may not be accurate. (I've seen them summarize lines or get lines wrong before.) The one way we can know for sure is to check the closed-captioning. In my experience, the closed-captioning shows the lines verbatim. If the closed-captioning says Senator "Greys", then it stays and "Grace" goes. If vice versa, then "Grace" stays and "Greys" goes. One thing is for certain and that is that we're talking about one senator here, not two with similar-sounding names. --Hnsampat 18:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I did a Google search and found that the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary is indeed part of the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, you're right to move them all into the Senate section. --Hnsampat 18:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I double-checked. The list above is correct. The Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary existed prior to the March 2, 2005, reorganization of subcommittees on the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, the subcommittee existed in 2001 when it was mentioned on "The West Wing," but as of last year no longer exists (or, rather, has been renamed and reorganized). Incidentally, there is an article, U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and the Judiciary, that needs to be rewritten to reflect this change. --Hnsampat 21:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Page Editing and Design

message: All the character entries should be standardized similar to the following:
** Josiah Edward "Jed" Bartlet — Martin Sheen (Seasons 1–7)
** Matthew Vincente Santos — Jimmy Smits (Ep. 7.22)
(edit this page to see format, if uncertain)
- jc37 18:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WestWingTranscripts.com, the senator in The Lame Duck Congress is Senator Greys and there is no senator in any episode with the last name "Grace." The subtitles may or may not be accurate. (I've seen them summarize lines or get lines wrong before.) The one way we can know for sure is to check the closed-captioning. In my experience, the closed-captioning shows the lines verbatim. If the closed-captioning says Senator "Greys", then it stays and "Grace" goes. If vice versa, then "Grace" stays and "Greys" goes. One thing is for certain and that is that we're talking about one senator here, not two with similar-sounding names. --Hnsampat 18:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I did a Google search and found that the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary is indeed part of the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, you're right to move them all into the Senate section. --Hnsampat 18:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I double-checked. The list above is correct. The Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary existed prior to the March 2, 2005, reorganization of subcommittees on the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, the subcommittee existed in 2001 when it was mentioned on "The West Wing," but as of last year no longer exists (or, rather, has been renamed and reorganized). Incidentally, there is an article, U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and the Judiciary, that needs to be rewritten to reflect this change. --Hnsampat 21:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Character and Actor name formatting

message: Unlike the Characters page, most of the entries on this page only appeared in a single episode, and in some cases, were only mentioned and not even seen.
Characters, such as the President, who appear most of a season should still have appearances listed by season, but others should be listed by episode: (Ep. 1.1).
So far, only Season 1 characters are "done".
=====Episode Reference Requirement=====
I think at this point, while we want to all act in good faith, in order to accurately proofread the listing (which is getting quite long), we should require a episode reference for any new politician name additions to the page.Jc37 07:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episodes

message: I think at this point, while we want to all act in good faith, in order to accurately proofread the listing (which is getting quite long), we should require a episode reference for any new politician name additions to the page.Jc37 07:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episode Reference Requirement

message: The majority of these would appear to be original research.
Citations would be useful.Jc37 07:45, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: Thiele/Theo - imdb has Theo (episode 5.4), westwingepguide has Thiele.
I think it's likely Thiele, so I'm going with that.
Shallot/Shallick - It's listed as Shallot on an online transcript, but as Shallick, both on imdb, and on westwingepguide, so going with Shallick.
===== Senator Grace/Greys =====
Is Senator Greys the Senator refered to in the list the one from The Lame Duck Congress because in the subtitles for that episode it is spelled Grace. I am just wondering if these two Senators are the same as the names would sound identical. Benw 04:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WestWingTranscripts.com, the senator in The Lame Duck Congress is Senator Greys and there is no senator in any episode with the last name "Grace." The subtitles may or may not be accurate. (I've seen them summarize lines or get lines wrong before.) The one way we can know for sure is to check the closed-captioning. In my experience, the closed-captioning shows the lines verbatim. If the closed-captioning says Senator "Greys", then it stays and "Grace" goes. If vice versa, then "Grace" stays and "Greys" goes. One thing is for certain and that is that we're talking about one senator here, not two with similar-sounding names. --Hnsampat 18:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I did a Google search and found that the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary is indeed part of the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, you're right to move them all into the Senate section. --Hnsampat 18:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I double-checked. The list above is correct. The Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary existed prior to the March 2, 2005, reorganization of subcommittees on the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, the subcommittee existed in 2001 when it was mentioned on "The West Wing," but as of last year no longer exists (or, rather, has been renamed and reorganized). Incidentally, there is an article, U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and the Judiciary, that needs to be rewritten to reflect this change. --Hnsampat 21:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anomalies

message: Is Senator Greys the Senator refered to in the list the one from The Lame Duck Congress because in the subtitles for that episode it is spelled Grace. I am just wondering if these two Senators are the same as the names would sound identical. Benw 04:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WestWingTranscripts.com, the senator in The Lame Duck Congress is Senator Greys and there is no senator in any episode with the last name "Grace." The subtitles may or may not be accurate. (I've seen them summarize lines or get lines wrong before.) The one way we can know for sure is to check the closed-captioning. In my experience, the closed-captioning shows the lines verbatim. If the closed-captioning says Senator "Greys", then it stays and "Grace" goes. If vice versa, then "Grace" stays and "Greys" goes. One thing is for certain and that is that we're talking about one senator here, not two with similar-sounding names. --Hnsampat 18:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Senator Grace/Greys 

message: The Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary. (Big Tobacco subplot in Seasons 2-3)
Affected: Ritter, Kalmbach, Stacy, Miner, Warren, and Rossitter.
Had a hard time finding anything in an actual script that stated whether it was a Senate or House committee. (Appropriations Committee)
Finally found a Senate reference for Ritter in "The Short List" (Ep 1.9).
Therefore, moving all these names to the Senate.
::FYI, I did a Google search and found that the Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary is indeed part of the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, you're right to move them all into the Senate section. --Hnsampat 18:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I double-checked. The list above is correct. The Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State, and the Judiciary existed prior to the March 2, 2005, reorganization of subcommittees on the Senate Appropriations Committee. So, the subcommittee existed in 2001 when it was mentioned on "The West Wing," but as of last year no longer exists (or, rather, has been renamed and reorganized). Incidentally, there is an article, U.S. Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, State and the Judiciary, that needs to be rewritten to reflect this change. --Hnsampat 21:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Senate Committee

message: This is what we have currently under Attorney General:
* Dan Larson — Sherry Houston (Ep. 1.21) 
* Alan Fisk — Dylan Baker (Ep. 5.9) 
Several things:
1.) In Ep. 1.03 they make it clear that the Attorney general is black.
In 4.05 they note that the initial AG nominee, Cornell Rooker, was black, but that they withdrew him as a nominee.
2.) In 1.21 this is the quote:
"BARTLET 
Mr. Attorney General.
DAN 
Dan Larson."
I don't think that Dan Larson is female, even though that is the credit both at the episode guide, and at imdb. And I find it curious that that episode is the only listing for that actress.
This would seem to likely be an error.
- Jc37 07:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Attorney General

message: Since Presidential line of succession for the Bartlet administration was apparently just a fork from the main West Wing page, and because the politician's page now has the information duplicated, I suggest that we just merge what little data is left to this page, and turn the succession page into a redirect to here. - Jc37 20:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: is unnecessary.   is enough. — Scm83x hook 'em 05:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merger

message: are very much welcome : )  - Jc37 20:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: is unnecessary.   is enough. — Scm83x hook 'em 05:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments/Discussion

message: Since the Josiah Bartlet character page duplicates the exact same material, I turned this page into a template, for use there, and anywhere else that someone might find it to be useful, and to ease editing the same material in multiple locations. For this reason, I also removed the mergeto banner. as well. - Jc37 01:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Is it said anywhere wheter she is a Tory or Labour? I think she's a Tory (Thatcher resemblant) but I don't think it's stated anywhere. Wouter Lievens 20:52, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maureen Graty 

message: The list of politicians entry states that Morgan Mitchell won the PA Senate election in the 2000 midterm.  This is correct, as I distinctly recall this from the appropriate episode.
However, in Election Day, Part II, I also seem to recall someone stating that "Senator X" (I honestly can't remember the name) lost re-election in Pennsylvania.  As Mitchell was elected in 2000, he should have been up for re-election in 2006.  However, I don't think the last name of the Senator mentioned was "Mitchell," and, to me, it was implied that the Senator who lost in 06 was a Democrat.
This would make sense if Mitchell died in office or was forced to resign.  A replacement - presumably a Democrat - would have been appointed by Governor Baker.  I briefly wrote something about this in the main article, but I quickly deleted it afterwards.  I am simply no longer 100% sure that one of the Senators who was described as losing in 2006 was from Pennsylvania.
Is there anyone who has Election Day, Part II on tape and would be willing to check into this?
--WayneNight 21:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Morgan Mitchell

message: Should the CIA be on this page or under "Situation Room" on List of characters on The West Wing? On the one hand, the CIA is an "independent agency" and so it fits well on this page alongside the FEC. However, I'm not sure if I'd call CIA agents or directors "politicians." (Well, directors maybe, but agents definitely not.) --Hnsampat 03:50, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: CIA

message: Lucy-marie added Leo to the list of Vice Presidents under "The President's Cabinet." While Leo did posthumously get elected Vice President, he never actually served and so I don't think he should be there. Thoughts? --Hnsampat 13:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was the candidate on the ticket the election result if he were still alive he would have been vice president. He should be on the list but only as vice president elect and not vice president.--Lucy-marie 20:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I would like to quote matthew santos from election day part II "I'm not naming a new running mate in the next 5 minutes Leo was on the ticket, If I win he wins." this implies that even through death he is considered the vice presient elect.--Lucy-marie 21:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on each of these points above. Let's change it so that Leo is only on the characters page (not the politicians page) and that Eric Baker's vice presidency is noted next to his name in the "governors" section. You're right, "good intentions does not a Vice President make." --Hnsampat 13:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leo as VP? 

message: Should the list include the Ciefs of Staff and the military advisors at the White House?
:No, military officials are not politicians. Furthermore, they're already listed on List of characters on The West Wing. --Hnsampat 16:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military 

message: I added the President of France and the Chancellor of Germany to the list of foreign leader, and while they were never stated directly, a President D'Astier and a Chancellor Earhart were mentioned in season 7 episode 4, Mr. Frost, as potential visitors to a state funeral. D'Astier is obviously a French name and Germany is the only country, other then Austria, using the title Chancellor to any extent it would warrent an invite to a state funeral
:The two names for German chancellors currently given in the article are Weissman and Earhart. While I don't remember the episodes, there is no way the names would be spelled like that in German. Weissman would most likely be Weißmann and Earhart is probably supposed to be Erhard, Erhart or Erhardt (note that there was a German chancellor Ludwig Erhard about 40 years ago).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.130.4.46 (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: France and Germany

message: Since we have this article divided into the executive, legislative, and judical branches of government, it does seem a bit odd to have the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate under "The President's Cabinet." I understand that it's because they are in the line of succession, but I think there's a better way to do that. I propose that, under both the "House of Representatives" and "Senate" sections, we create a subcategory of "Leadership" and include the Speaker (or President pro tempore), Majority Leader, Majority Whip, Minority Leader, Minority Whip, etc. for that body there. I think this will make it clearer who the congressional leaders are and so the reader of the article will be able to infer the line of succession from that.--Hnsampat 15:54, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Line of succession 

message: I recently added a few names (Solicitor General, some Assistant Secretaries, fixed the fact that Blieden was an *Assistant* secretary), but they were removed with no explanation. I understand the format changes I did (mostly for my own stylistic appeal) were undone, and have no problem with that, but I don't believe *all* of my changes were necessary to be repealed. They were sufficiently researched and corrected, plus I removed at least three mistakes on the page that were re-added.
Can my additions be re-analyzed and placed back in the article?--Tim Thomason 05:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Try splitting up your additions into several edits to make it easier to identify, and perhaps prevent all from being reverted. - jc37 05:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Additions Removed?

message: There seem to be countless unnotable character pages on Wikipedia for very small characters, some only appearing briefly or in one episode.  I have nominated several to be merged into this article.  There is only in-universe information for most of these articles, and no references for most of them either.  They simply reiterate the plot of the episode they were in.  Granted I haven't seen the entire show so I may have nominated some that shouldn't have been, but reading their articles most appear to just be a fictional in-universe stub, some only a paragraph (one a sentence) long. 
Most of the in-universe information should be dismissed and not merged in whole to this article, as it still will be slapped with an in-universe tag and need cleanup to remove the in-universe information. Ejfetters (talk) 23:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll move the ones you said into the List of characters from The West Wing, my apologies I thought they were politicians.  As for Percy Fitzwallace, do you have any real-world information about the character?  Concept, scholarly reception?  It needs to have real-world notability, not in-universe notability. Ejfetters (talk) 05:17, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge character pages

message: Why isn't Santos listed among the Presidents? Is it because he's listed as a Representative already? And if so...why is he not listed both places the same way Bob Russell is?  I'll wait a few days then add Santor so the president tab if nobody has a good reason behind his ommission.98.220.57.204 (talk) 08:49, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Santos 

message: Griffith isn't explicitly mentioned as a governor, and may well refer to the Surgeon General ("governors and cabinet members doing spin", I think they say)
Atkins isn't a governor. In the show, he's mentioned as having delegates at the 2006 DNC, and he's mentioned earlier in "King Corn" as a "fringe" who is black and will rail about racial injustice candidate. But spoilers for "King Corn" give more info on Atkins, though much of the stuff about him was cut. He's a mayor (not stated where or what state), a former reverend, charismatic, and a critic of NAFTA. Probably meant to be an Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson-type character. Though this was cut, I still think it's more reliable that completely unsourced speculation that he's a governor.
http://westwing.bewarne.com/extras/spoilerblog1-05.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.255.122 (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atkins & Griffith 

message: Jeff Haffley has been proposed for merger into this article.  If there were any text that were not both un-cited and un-challenged, I would support merger.  There isn't.  I would therefore support only a redirect of the Haffley article to this article, with deletion of the un-supported text.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger of Jeff Haffley