Talk:List of Tomb Raider characters

message: I think that this page should be renamed (moved to) Tomb Raider characters and the following pages should be merged into it:
*Jacqueline Natla
*Larson (Tomb Raider)
*Pierre Dupont (Tomb Raider)
*Lord Richard Croft
*Werner Von Croy
*Kurtis Trent
I suggest this because all of the above pages have serious issues with sources, notability, and they are mostly written from an in-universe perspective.    I'd like this page to be something similar to Indiana Jones characters, with characters sorted by which game introduces them.  Any thoughts or objections?~ Dusk Knight 22:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved the page to Tomb Raider characters and added links and brief descriptions for major characters.  However, it has occurred to me that much of the content here may be redundant considering most of the TR game pages have character sections.  So, is it better to have a centralized character page and merge character sections from the game pages?  Or would it be better to merge the information from this page into the appropriate game pages?  There's really no reason to have both.~ Dusk Knight 21:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good idea what you have decided to do, if you need any help please feel free to ask for it. Tuloc (talk) 08:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the feedback.  I've merged the TRA and TR3 character lists here.  I've only just gotten around to tagging the above character pages so I will hold off on those for a while.~ Dusk Knight 05:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I think there is an issue with how the article is presented at the moment. Tomb Raider has two continuities (pre-legend and the current one). This isn't too clear - especially with figures like Zip who only has an entry under Tomb Raider Chronicles, which is non canonical with his legend appearance. Similarly Winston is described under Tomb Raider 2 despite much of the infomation being from a second continuity. I'm not against having the characters by the game they first appear in but should the fact that there are two continuities not overule this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.184.177 (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps recurring characters should have their own "sections", rather than under the specific game they first appeared in. I agree that it is slightly confusing when characters appear in two or more games (especially across the two continuities). ~~ [Jam][talk] 20:54, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

text: If I had an "unwarranted self-importance" why would I even bother asking for feedback?  If you look at Wikipedia's policies of notability and verifiability, you will see that the Natla article fails to meet both of them.  That could be used as grounds to delete or redirect the page, but I'd rather try to salvage the information.  If you want to try and improve the article to Wikipedia's standards so it doesn't need to be merged, please do.~ Dusk Knight 06:01, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way for goodness sake don't merge the Larson article. It may need improving but he is a MAJOR character - LAra's first kill and as such a central part of the new continuity. His relations with Lara and moral ambiguity mean he deserves his own page not just a pathetic two line thing like what we have on the characters page currently. In honesty I miss the old article on Amanda too - I thought it was interesting and deserved its own page too (though i know nothing about wiki policies - merely a casual observer here) 217.43.148.124 (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major revision needed 

message: I suggest that the character sections from the various Tomb Raider game articles be merged into this article because there is a great deal of redundancy among these sections.  A centralized character page will keep the character descriptions consistent and will allow for more useful redirects for recurring characters like Winston (Tomb Raider) and Zip (Tomb Raider).  Also, I should mention that I have done the opposite for the Game Boy characters since this page had a lot more information than the actual game pages.~ Dusk Knight 21:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some major redirect cleanups this afternoon. By adding  tags to character entries, I've been able to redirect some existing character articles to their entries in the relevant sections on this page, instead of either the game character list here or the actual game article. ~~ [Jam][talk] 16:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great! I was wondering if there was a way to do that without making each character entry a subsection.~ Dusk Knight 02:11, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I only recently discovered how to do it (mainly by inspection of the how the WP:"SHORTNAME" links work) and have implemented it with (some?) success over on the Hollyoaks character pages. ~~ [Jam][talk] 07:56, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I suggest some things, that the articles:
*  Jacqueline Natla, Larson, Pierre Dupont should be merged in the TR1 article.
* Werner Von Croy into TR4 article
* Kurtis Trent in the TR6 article.
Only Werner von Croy is a character very close to Lara, but he's appearance in games is short, Kurtis is like a flash (down moral) appearance and the others are enemies. There is no important character in all Tomb Raider franchise other then Lara, she has no related characters, and she shares nothing with anyone. Every related character to Lara is dead. I think it's important not to present the carracters with their one pages. The Tomb Raider characters article is great and shows that Lara isn't getting to close to any character but she has many friends. Thank you.
Tulok (talk) 19:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New suggestion 

message: First off thanks to the person who edited this page. It is much better now by far. I want to suggest seperating the original tomb raider and the Anivversery version now and tidying Zip's content in the same way. I think, especially considering the new trailer that we cannot have any 'marring' of the two continuities or it's going to be a nightmare to understand.
If nobody objects i can do this or somebody else can, i'm not bothered
86.131.180.171 (talk) 22:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok if nobody has any objections I'll start the modifications tomorrow. It may also see some infomation moved from the characters pages to the Differences section in Anniversery, i'm not sure yet. 86.131.180.127 (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead - can't see any problems with what you're suggesting. ~~ [Jam][talk] 18:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough - just wanted to check cos i'm not a registered member lol 81.157.107.7 (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as they're constructive edits, there's no reason for you not to go ahead and edit the page. ~~ [Jam][talk] 19:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

text: It looks good. I've made a few more changes myself (mainly removing the bar [|] links where they were unnecessary) and also some spelling and grammar corrections. ~~ [Jam][talk] 09:10, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Improvements Have Been Made 

message: Now, theres no doubt that this article should be merged. He is quite a minor character in the Tomb Raider series let alone in real world. There is no to very little out-of-universe info such as third party information or comments. It's about time we actually did something about this, so, which article should we merge it into? This one or AoD?Super Badnik 12:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the source you cited for the "extended" biography is dubious, in my opinion. It is a fan site, with no confirmation from the original author as to whether or not it is correct - we only have the site's word to go on. Unless an official source can be found, it is likely that section will be removed as unsourced. ~~ [Jam][talk] 21:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Perhaps convincing a reliable source to update their Kurtis Trent page with these "enhanced" details might serve that purpose? TombRaiderChronicles.com is considered a fairly reliable source on WP, so if they were willing to update their Kurtis page then we might be willing to accept these new details. As such, giving the author's email address and/or the emails in their entirely will probably still be unsuitable. ~~ [Jam][talk] 17:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kurtis Trent

message: Natla, the character from Tomb Raider, until a few days ago had her own page on Wikipedia, but someone has deleted it and has written instead a smaller section in the Tomb Raider Recurring Characters page. How can I get Natla's page restored? She is not just another minor character (like Zip, Larson, etc), but Lara's main antagonist, and deserves a page even more than Kurtis Trent, another TR character with an individual page, and her co-rulers Qualopec and Tihocan, who are also comparatively minor characters but who have their own entries. Ostercy (talk) 08:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only reason Kurtis still has his own page is that nobody has bothered to expand his section of the recurring characters page. Once someone does that, his page will likely be merged into that. Qualopec and Tihocan don't have their own articles so not quite sure what you mean there. Yes, Natla could be considered the main antagonist, but she has only really be in one game (the original Tomb Raider), with her role re-shown in Anniversary. ~~ [Jam][talk] 08:42, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a little cheesed with the merger as there was more support for Dusk Knights idea than SuperBadnicks (no offence to anybody intended) 86.131.167.225 (talk) 11:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that Super Badnick did merge the article without consensus, but it is now up to us to discuss and decide how to proceed rather than continuing to unilaterally make changes that don't help to improve the articles involved. ~~ [Jam][talk] 11:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Just so there's no confusion, I suggested my idea after the merge.  So Super Badnik didn't go against consensus, there simply wasn't consensus, like Jam said.  The problem with giving Natla a separate page is that there currently seems to be no way to establish notability.~ Dusk Knight 05:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

text: i agree with you that its not all done straight away and i'm not complaining about the merge its more the continuities aspect that worries again (like it did on this page) and as i have 10 books to read this week before uni starts i don't have the time to make the odd change i thought might help lol 86.131.169.208 (talk) 19:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging by Super Badnik

message: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#List of Tomb Raider characters czar 16:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Decomposition