Talk:New York City Subway stations

message: * 00:51, 25 September 2004: User:Lunaverse started article List of New York City Subway stations.
* 18:51, 31 May 2009: User:Tinlinkin started User:Tinlinkin/List of New York City Subway stations as a copy of List of New York City Subway stations, but leaving out some special matter at the end. Both continued to be edited.
* 16:10, 5 August 2009: User:Tinlinkin started User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation by splitting it out of User:Tinlinkin/103rd Street, one of his personal sandbox pages.
* 12:03, 8 January 2010: User:Tinlinkin text-merged User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation into User:Tinlinkin/List of New York City Subway stations. User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation was changed into a redirect.
* 09:54, 9 January 2010: User:Tinlinkin seems to have blanked List of New York City Subway stations and replaced it by a copy of User:Tinlinkin/List of New York City Subway stations.
** User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation was redirected. List of New York City Subway stations continued to be edited. 
*** Anthony Appleyard (talk) 14:54, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the above is correct. Everything is related to the splitting up of the list to 4 separate articles, see the section below. Things were not done quickly enough, so that's my fault. I also could have organized things better, as I do not keep a dedicated sandbox page; I create subpages whenever I need to test something. I was going to request a history merge on January 9th, but I read the Wikipedia pages concerning WP:SPLICE. I knew this was going to be complicated and thus rejected. Documenting the history like this was something I didn't know how to do, so it's done now. Tinlinkin (talk) 12:08, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History of this article

message: All IRT stations are currently listed. --SPUI (talk) 23:40, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: All IRT stations are currently listed

message: The previous edit relied on the  template, which in turn assumed the former naming convention for station pages. A lot of stations were showing up as red links, which in fact had articles.
This revision cures that, but the format is slightly different. Instead of saying:
* Wall Street on the IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line
it just says
* Wall Street (IRT Broadway-Seventh Avenue Line)
The only items that vary from this format is where a station is on more than one line, in which case all of the lines are named in a comma-separated list in parentheses after the link to the station name. Marc Shepherd 15:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, I prefer it if the line had its own link. I don't like having the lines being linked for stations on multiple lines, but not linked for stations on just one line. It's too inconsistent. — Larry V (talk | contribs) 22:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem....hats off for making the edit. Marc Shepherd 23:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And thank you for going through that whole list. — Larry V (talk | contribs) 01:27, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revision for station naming convention 

message: I agree; we can place  next to the stations, and add notes after. --NE2 06:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will post a message to WP:NYCPT seeking more consensus for a major overhaul of this article. Tinlinkin 05:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from accessibility

message: When I am finished with (or while I am) dealing with Template:Infobox NYCS, this list is what I want to tackle next. I want to ask people out there what improvements they want to see with this list to make it become a featured list. The most obvious task is to order the list alphabetically by station and to remove the rendering of the table by template. (If anyone thinks the current setup is helpful, I may reconsider.) Someone can find appropriate representative images from our articles. Someone else can write an improved lead section with references. I'm just throwing out this question now; I will begin to edit next week or earlier. Tinlinkin (talk) 12:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I would be inclined to remove  because the page is approaching Wikipedia:Template limits and I don't think there will be a major reordering of stations, that's not to say there aren't any more issues of ordering, because there are. Tinlinkin (talk) 07:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then again, I think this list is headed for a split one way or another, so the row template could still be useful and manageable. Oh, we'll have to wait and see. Tinlinkin (talk) 08:54, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future improvements 

message: Is this former station the site of the current East 180th Street Yard? If so, would anybody mind if I redirected that redlink there? ----DanTD (talk) 14:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The East 180th Street Yard appears to be east west of the current East 180th Street station and the sister Unionport Yard is to the north. The former NYW&B platform should redirect to the current East 180th Street (IRT White Plains Road Line). Tinlinkin (talk) 03:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The East 180th Street Yard is west of the current station, and it's sister Unionport Yard is north-east of the station. The former NYW&B station was a four track express station, still standing, to the east of the current station, south of Unionport Yard with the outer tracks still intact for Unionport Yard yard moves. The tracks formerly extended south, but now end at a bumper block within the station limits. Acps110 (talk) 21:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I meant. Anyway, the link confirms that the NYW&B platforms are not in that yard. Tinlinkin (talk) 02:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  East 180th Street (IRT Dyer Avenue Line) 

message: I believe a split of this list is in order. The 467 entries of the list make it difficult to analyze, navigate, and load, and I predict there is still a lot more to say about the stations of the New York City Subway. I need advice on how the split should be done, and I propose three ways of doing it:
# List of New York City Subway stations (1–238) and List of New York City Subway stations (A–Z) (alpha list may be split futher for even divisions)
#* Advantages: This split is simply derived from the current version. It allows analysis of the entire system without regard to system of origin, borough, or any factor other than station names. As the list is ordered alphanumerically, this is the best representation of a "master list."
#* Disadvantages: If a featured list is the goal, the lead sections of both will be very similar to each other as there is not much distinction between the two.
# List of New York City Subway stations in the Bronx, List of New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn, List of New York City Subway stations in Manhattan and List of New York City Subway stations in Queens
#* Advantages: This offers an analysis by borough. The development of the New York City Subway by borough will be an interesting read. The statistics of MTA ridership use this format.
#* Disadvantages: It is a less accessible way of comparing stations by station name. Ambiguously named stations will need to be mentioned in several places. There are also five (including the parent article) lists to maintain as opposed to three with the other options.
# List of New York City Subway stations (A Division) and List of New York City Subway stations (B Division)
#* Advantages: Analysis by divisions of the New York City Subway. (I thought of dividing it as IRT, BMT and IND, but as the BMT and IND are rather integrated with each other, I abandoned that idea. This could still be an option.) Provides insight as to the subway's origins; nuances between the former systems 
#* Disadvantages: Generally the same as option 2. This kind of split is probably the most segregated because it "breaks up" the unified NYCS. 
What do you think? I don't want to give my preference until others have chimed in. Tinlinkin (talk) 19:49, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This may be a ridiculous question given that I know nothing about the New York subway, but why not split it by line? Geraldk (talk) 12:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Splitting by lines is good, too. But I don't know if it would cause come short lists to be made.—Chris! ct 18:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: All the service articles (such as 3 (New York City Subway service)) and line articles (such as BMT Broadway Line) have station listings. Short station lists are found in articles like 42nd Street Shuttle and Archer Avenue Line. The distinction between lines and services is explained fully in New York City Subway nomenclature. I would not like it if the split happens this way; ridership (which I have not incorporated into the list yet) can be compared best in a coherent list—if it is separated by line or service, comparisons can't be easily made. And if other transit systems can have complete station lists, why can't the NYCS? Tinlinkin (talk) 22:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Not necessarily. Every subway line has a story, and many of those stories have distinctions by borough. There are books written about specific boroughs, like Brian Cudahy's How We Got to Coney Island (may not be the exact title; I'm going to borrow from the public library again soon anyway). Brooklyn was itself a city before New York's consolidation in 1898 and subway construction targeted specific boroughs. So I don't believe there is a dilution of quality if the split is by borough. In fact, there will be plenty of borough-specific details. Tinlinkin (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't think that's a problem. The parent page will still contain a lot of info, no matter which split is ultimately selected. Including a list of "stations with the same name" will be a doozy... I haphazardly began a list at User:Tinlinkin/Subway disambiguation and I gave up after 3 entries. Tinlinkin (talk) 07:26, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I have User:Tinlinkin/List of New York City Subway stations in the Bronx in my userspace. I thought I would have the pages up relatively quickly, but events got in the way. I guess I am doing more preparatory work than I should, resulting in delays (just like the MTA, d'oh!). I swear I will work on it this weekend, as I want to get the station name disambiguation list out there in light of this and similar forum posts.Tinlinkin (talk) 09:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: I am happy and horrified at the same time that it seems this page is the inspiration to this Underground Signs website that is offering to replicate NYCS signage. Tinlinkin (talk) 09:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence? 

message: Caption to illustration at head of article claims that the Staten Island Railway (SIR) is a separate entity from the New York City Transit Authority (NYCTA).  The linked article Staten Island Railway states that the SIR is run by the NYCTA.  One is clearly incorrect.  As neither claim is referenced, I am not in a position to determine which is correct, but unless a valid reference can be found, both claims will have to be deleted as unreferenced.  –LiveRail < Talk > 16:27, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The SIR is not a separate entity of the NYCTA. The SIR is, however, a separate entity from New York City Subway. Epic Genius (talk) 18:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is there any suitable reference(s) to back that up?  The statements are unreferenced at present. –LiveRail < Talk > 12:41, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's actually a good point you brought up. There's a subtle distinction. Legally, the SIR is operated by the Staten Island Rapid Transit Operating Authority, an MTA subsidiary. The New York City Subway is operated by the New York City Transit Authority, an MTA affiliate, which, actually, doesn't manage the SIR at all....http://web.mta.info/mta/investor/pdf/2002app-a-v2.pdf (The source was published in 2002, but nothing's changed since then, except Long Island Bus is now Nassau Inter-County Express.) Epic Genius (talk) 13:47, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

text: Regarless of all that (that the operations of the SIRTOA are managed by the NYCTA), it remains that the SIR is a physically separate system from the New York City Subway, with no physical connections at all. That's why it's separate. oknazevad (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{anchor|Dubious}}SIR separate from NYCTA 

message: One section in the List of New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn puzzles me;
"There are 170 New York City Subway stations in Brooklyn (171 if 75th Street – Elderts Lane (BMT Jamaica Line) is included. It is actually located in both Brooklyn and Queens)," per the official count of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority) 
But what about Halsey Street (BMT Canarsie Line)? That one is on the Brooklyn-Queens border too. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  16:29, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a whole station complex located on that border: Myrtle–Wyckoff Avenues (New York City Subway). Vcohen (talk) 09:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  True, but one of the stations that are part of the complex is in Brooklyn, while the other is split between Brooklyn and Queens. Either way, 75th Street – Elderts Lane isn't the only Brooklyn-Queens border station, and the issue should be addressed on both lists, but especially the Brooklyn one since it's mentioned there. ---------User:DanTD (talk)  01:25, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Brooklyn stations 

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message: * total length of tunnels
* total length of route (counting lines on the same route only once)
* total length of lines
* total length of track (counting each parallel track on a route)
--Rainald62 (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total lengths missing 

message: Is there a count of stations by line, for example the A has n number of stations, etc. -Inowen (nlfte) 23:46, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count 

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message: I note that in the table in the section headed "Stations with the same name" there are a large number of links to disambiguation pages in the first column. Some of these dab pages just include stations on the NY subway but many include links to other things (eg The dab page for Third Avenue includes a band and an album) or articles about other cities (eg Canal Street includes places in the UK, an album and a jazz festival in Norway) - I am not sure how useful this is to readers. Would those with knowledge of the relevant stations be able to make the links more specific?  Currently this article adds lots of entries to Disambiguation pages with links which we are always trying to reduce.— Rod talk 14:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any benefit to wikilinking these names?  The next column already lists the stations, and its links lead to all the information we have on them.  There is nothing else of relevance in the dabs, except perhaps closed stations of that name.  We might change the title of the "Lines" column to indicate more clearly that it is a list of stations rather than the lines they happen to lie on. Certes (talk) 09:13, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Lafayette is another particularly bad example, where the stations appear in section 8 out of 10 on the DAB page (along with several other stations, ships, airports, etc.). I cannot see how linking to such a DAB page provides useful information to readers. I can see some merit in retitling the "Name of station" column to "Name" or "Location", and disambiguating to the location only. Narky Blert (talk) 10:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stations with the same name 

message: I think that it is necessary to clarify about the true meaning of these green and red lamps.
 
I know that green lamp means ALWAYS a 24/7 entrance, but I don't know if this means also that is it possible to reach the 24/7 booth from that same entrance. Every station in NYC has at least a 24/7 booth, but is it possible to reach the 24/7 booth from every green lamp entrance? In this photo of a green lamp entrance in Times Square (https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20130412/times-square-theater-district/man-dies-times-square-subway-station-fdny-says) is possible to read this indication (enter with or buy the MetroCard ALL TIMES. Agent on duty 7.30 am-12pm or see agent at 42 St). Does mean that if a person hasn't a MetroCard and he wants buy it at 3am, must he use another entrance (in this case at 42 St) or is it possible to get to the 24 hour booth at 42 St through this same entrance before of the turnstiles? 
I think that it is important to know if the green lamp means only 24/7 entrance or also always 24/7 booth!
About the red lamps there is another question.
Some red lamps entrances have exit-only, but I noticed that most entrances with red lamps have almost all this indication: enter with or buy the MetroCard ALL TIMES and the agent on duty is part-time (to see for example the photo in this site: https://techsponyc.com/new-york-transport/). Therefore, even these entrance are 24/7 with the MetroCard!
In conclusion, what is the TRUE DIFFERENCE between the green and red lamps?
I hope in an exact reply. Thanks. Forza NYCFC !! (talk) 03:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The green and red lamps