Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia/Archive 6

message: On several spoken articles that I have heard, they always say its protected under the GNU license. Only when they pronounce GNU, they say it wrong. They pronounce it as G-N-U. It is pronounced guh-noo. (pronounced ), approximately like canoe. () I don't know how many people are aware of that..But its really nice that they are vocalizing the articles. :) Thanks  ✬Dillard421✬ (talk • contribs) 02:55, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: pronouncing each letter is not incorrect. It is interchangeable, and some prefer it, as it makes clear to the audience that an acronym is being used. CB Droege 17:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah I hadnt realized that it was interchangeable, i can see how if you were speaking that it might make it more clear. But then again you say the link anyways after you say GNU.  ✬Dillard421✬ (talk • contribs) 03:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GNU 

message: I have been using the Spanish spoken articles to learn Spanish, it was a great help to get the sounds and accent of this language !! Now I am learning Japanese but I couldn't find the spoken articles in Japanese :-( On the Spoken_articles category page there are links to 16 other languages but no Japanese. I tried to look for a similar page but did not find anything. Does anybody have an idea where the Japanese spoken articles might be ? Thanks a lot !!! Nicolas1981 23:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken articles in Japanese ? 

message: I suppose I should've read the guidelines for recording before jumping in, specifically what to read and what not to read. After spending twelve minutes reading the references, editing the subsequent recording, and all the while wondering, "Why the hell would anyone want this information read aloud?" I found the answer. They don't. Hrmph. In any case, the Starcraft article should be done by tomorrow. Need to record an introduction and a generic "The article and blah blah blah licensed under blah blah bah," thing to put on the end, but that's about it. Consequentially 13:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Learning the hard way

message: The audio file for The West Wing, recorded by User:Rebelguys2, was for the page as it was in December 2005. In July 2006, I put in a request for the audio file to be updated, my rationale was "The audio file for this page was done in December 2005 and a lot has changed since then. As the show is now off the air, it is unlike that this page will change radically, so would it be possible for the audio file be updated to a more definitive version of the page." The  template is still there, where I put it over a year ago, but the audio file has not been updated. --Philip Stevens 14:45, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This project doesn't have a very high output rate, and most participants seem to prefer recording articles they choose rather than those from the request list.  The most effective solution I can suggest is for you to record it yourself :-) -SCEhardT 19:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I thought of that, but I don't have the most pleasing voice in the world. Also I'm British and although my accent would give the audio file a sophisticated twang, I am mindful that this is about a US television series. --Philip Stevens 20:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The West Wing]] 

message: I hope to record some articles, but I've run into a few issues:
#Should I include hatnotes?
#Should I let exclamation marks change my intonation? (One article I'm looking at is Freak Out!, so this is rather important.)
#When reading quotations, should I modify my tone at all?  I don't want to introduce bias by attempting to emulate my conception of a speaker, but I also know that "These Mothers is crazy. You can tell by their clothes" is going to sound strange when read levelly.
#For embedded quotations (those not set off from the text), should I say "quote" and "unquote" before and after reading?  If I don't, it might not be clear that the text was quoted.
#Should I include track listings, credits, and other information that's in list form?
—Emufarmers(T/C) 02:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions 

message: Is up for featured article review, and since it has a spoken version, I thought I'd notify you. Feel free to comment or help improve this article to current featured article standards. Judgesurreal777 04:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article One of the United States Constitution

message: It was great, whilst on a 270 kilometre train journey across the Romanian countryside, to be able to listen to articles about teabagging, the furry fandom, reggae, coitus interruptus, and a number of other weird and wonderful topics. Thanks people.--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 10:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia on your [[iPod]] - this makes it possible 

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Sound files would be my friend, but phonetic spelling would be OK
Plus, does anyone know a good place to post pronunciation questions? This would be extremely useful!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeakThings:Mellerbeck (talk • contribs) 21:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know the answers, but I'd suggest asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language -SCEhardT 22:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you pronounce 

message: A decision seems to have been taken by someone, somewhere, to remove the audio files uploaded by participants in this project from Wikipedia to Commons. A large number of spoken Wikipedia recording pages have been tagged in preparation for this move. The tag states the justification "Wikipedia is not a collection of photographs or media files and appropriately licensed media are more accessible to other Wikimedia projects if placed on Commons".
The use of this justification seems to imply that the spoken versions of Wikipedia articles produced by participants in this project bear no relationship to the source articles they're based on, and ignores the fact that these audio files probably aren't of much use or relevance to other Wikimedia projects. The clear implication is that, in future, we should not be uploading spoken articles here to Wikipedia, but to Commons instead.
This seems to be being done as part of a wider general clean-up of images on Wikipedia, and it seems probable that this decision was taken without an awareness of this project or its work, and the difficulty that a requirement to upload our work to Commons would create for many contributors and the project as a whole. Unless Wikimedia "unified login" has been implemented (has it?), the requirement for all Spoken project participants to upload their work to Commons would make the process of contributing a spoken article, which is already excessively complex, even more so. It takes a significant amount of time, effort and skill to create a good spoken article, and my concern is that to create a functional split whereby the project is maintained here but uploads are required to go to Commons would make contributing to this project even more difficult than it already is, and would reduce contributions to the point where the Spoken Wikipedia project would no longer be viable. -- Macropode 11:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one has proposed requiring uploads to Commons (though I doubt it would be as dire as you think). The tagging just means that these files will be moved to Commons, since they are free. Nothing more. Dmcdevit·t 14:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: While I would strongly oppose requiring new spoken articles to be uploaded to the commons (due to added complication as you mentioned), if someone else wants to take the time to properly move files to the commons once they are uploaded here, I don't think that will cause any problems for us.  -SCEhardT 20:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I'm not against the move per se, it was just the explanation on the tag (I suppose not to be taken literally) that had me wondering. Thanks for clearing that up, Dmcdevit. I'll get off my soap box now. -- Macropode 03:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A bot is taking care of the transwiki, by the way (e.g. ). It's a relatively painless procedure. Dmcdevit·t 04:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't the files have "en-" prepended to their names, per the standard? tgies 23:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoken files on Commons 

message: Hello everyone,
	I've been working on the voice version of the Texas article. First of all, I want to apologize for the slow progress. Since it's been going so slow, I'm starting over again from the latest version of the article. I'm kicking it into high-gear now after finding a little more time. I will update my status here periodically; I'm going to make a point to give an update every couple of weeks.
As of 10/1/2007
* Recording: Paragraph 1 of 94
* Editing: not done yet
* ETA: 40 days
--Follow Christ 00:53, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End to the slow progress for the Texas article 

message: WP:NOR is the subject of some proposed changes to help resolve some long-standing disputes over language in the policy. Discussion is present on WT:NOR. Cheers! Vassyana 00:38, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia:No original research 

message: When you have an audio sample, sometimes it has a little player button (as for example on Johnny B. Goode). Is there a way of making it so spoken articles have a button you can just click? As it is at the moment for me, when I click the "this has a spoken version" icon I get prompted to download an ogg. Marnanel 14:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Spoken Article box (usually down in the article's External Links section) should have the play button. -SCEhardT 14:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, thanks. I saw the icon in the header first, so I tried clicking on that. I don't know whether this confuses anyone else. Marnanel 18:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; it is confusing.  Maybe a better solution would be a link that sends the user to the box at the bottom of the article (rather than a direct link to the OGG)? -SCEhardT 19:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clicky player thing 

message: This is a bit offtopic, but is there anywhere I can request a word be pronounced (e.g. for Template:Audio-IPA).  There was an offsite pronunciation link at Grapheme, which I removed, and ideally it would be replaced with a free pronunciation hosted here.  Thanks. Superm401 - Talk 09:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no specific area set up for this sort of request (yet), but it would be good to have one — I am quite happy to help with the setup and administration of such a request facility, particularly in terms of actually providing pronunciation recordings.  In particular, it would be very desirable to have a coordinated, standardised set of pronunciations on groups of things such as place names, chemical names and so on.  Hassocks5489 12:36, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single-word pronunciations 

message: Would trying to record an article be a problem if I have a lisp? Purplewowies (talk) 21:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lisp? 

message: Hi,
Would it be possible to have a purge of 'in progress' articles as some of them date back almost a year.  It would also tidy the page up a bit.
just an idea Thecyberwasp (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purge of 'in progress' articles