Talk:Troglofauna

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message: On the series of Planet Earth, they mention a troglobite named Angelfish, which is not described in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.68.209 (talk) 17:56, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angelfish 

message: Hi, 
This page includes information on both stygofauna and troglofauna, which are the two broad groups of subterranean fauna/animals. There is a page on stygofauna, although brief. I am thinking of separating this page into subterranean animals and one for troglofauna. Thoughts? michaelomorph (talk) 08:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change page name to Subterranean fauna 

message: This page continues to include information on both stygofauna and troglofauna, though its name is now Troglofauna, which label the article states applies to animals which live above the water table.  I interpret above the water table to exclude all creatures that live strictly in water, but of course even standing water can occur above the water table and fish can live there.  But the distinction between fish that live in such a situation and those that live below the water table seems specious at best to me.  A little more clarity is needed I think.  My sense is the fish and others that dwell strictly in the water should not be here anymore. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Have tried to clear this up Bob, I look forward to your review michaelomorph (talk) 04:55, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Although the articles are this stage are similar to a certain extent, they are rather different (when fleshed out) and I figured keeping them separate allows them to be developed. Lumping together will mean having separate sections for each section, making a pretty long article, but it will be centralised. Thoughts? michaelomorph (talk) 01:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see much conceptual distinction, aside from one group lives in the water of caves, and the other does not live in water in caves, and to me the similarities outweigh the differences. Could you elaborate on what would significant differences would be when further fleshed out? The nomenclature distinction between "-xene", "-philes", "-bites" are identical for Stygo- or Troglo- and could be succinctly defined in the introduction, and the words "Stygofauna" and or "Troglofauna" do not even need to be mentioned after the introduction, e.g. rather than something like "troglofauna have poor dispersal and stygofauna also have poor dispersal" a section on dispersal could describe general trends, giving examples of select taxa, and thus eschewing the semantic distinction. Troglomorphic traits such as reduced eyes and pigmentation are certainly seen across the water/air boundary. (and for the record, Troglomorphism should probably be eventually merged and redirected as well as it currently largely a WP:DICDEF, and is intimately related to cave-dwellers. --Animalparty-- (talk) 21:04, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-contradictory? 

message: Fauna have lost the need for colour/pigmentation through the process of adapting/evolving to live underground over thousands of years. I don't think it should be confused with Albinism, which is usually defined as a "congenital disorder characterized by" etc or a recessive genetic trait (from Usage of Albino: "The term is not comparative: one either has albinism (a recessive genetic trait) or does not.") michaelomorph (talk) 03:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albinism - I think not 

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