Talk:Rumble Pak

message: The list of DS Games compatible with the rumble pak should stay, mainly because there are so few out there. I personally had a problem finding the list until I looked through the history to find out that someone had just recently deleted it. If it doesn't deserve to be on the same page as the other Rumble paks, I would say it deserves a page of its own. I don't have an opinion on the PS2 list, however I think that whoever removed the list from that one felt that it was too large for the page, as several games on PS2 support rumble (each game I own does, and I have about 25 games). Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.157.129 (talk) 06:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely.  The list is useful and relevant information and belongs here or in a separate page.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.68.141.27 (talk) 05:57, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems inaccurate to me. Force feedback existed before the Rumble Pak, and implying that the Rumble Pak's fairly crude vibration system is the technology that current controllers use is deceptive. 68.47.234.131 02:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

message: One of of my friends says that the rumble feature was originally devoloped for Nintendo by a company (don't know which one). The technology was then used by Sony & Microsoft illegely. The Company then sued Sony and Microsoft over using their technology unlicensedly. Microsoft decided to pay the company royalties but Sony has countered sued the company saying they had legally obtained the technology. What I'm wondering is "Is this story even true?" --Greyhead 15:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo have only ever used single-source rumble (one motor with one weight). Sony and then Microsoft use two-source vibrations, and it appears that Immersion have a patent that covers use of multiple vibration sources to build up a force-feedback "image". So they were infringing, Nintendo weren't. Interestingly Sony actually own a licence for the two-point rumble they used. Sony's patent lawyers discovered that Logitech had a patent which covered the technology, which they licenced in 1998 as they brought the controllers on the market. At that time Immersion had invented that sort of technology (they came up with it back in 1996, I think) but hadn't patented it. So when they patented the technology in 2002/3, Sony had retroactively infringed on their invention. Of course, in the European and Japanese patent systems, you're only covered from the date your invention was patented. Sockatume 19:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, scratch that, it seems that Immersion's patents were continuations of one going back to 1995, no less. So Sony's patent lawyers must've managed to miss it, presumably upon spotting the Logitech one (which is more obviously and specifically referring to game controllers). Sockatume 19:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumble Feature Lawsuit? 

message: I will try to add a PD pic of the original pak for DS, but I'm wondering if there's a user out there who has a PD pic of the Lite version? --Thaddius 14:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be great if someone has both and can take a picture of them together. Pagrashtak 04:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only image I was able to find with both looks like a promotional one found here. --Thaddius 14:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's definitely edited from the pics in the online store. Slightly blown up. Not actually an accurate size comparison, though. Dancter 14:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a pic of my phat one and put it up. --Thaddius 14:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Pak pics 

message: Any way to make it display both DS accesories and N64 accesories without duplicating the template? Tom Temprotran 20:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. Unless you made a 'Rumble Pak' templte that included both. --Thaddius 15:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardware template 

message: I'm pretty sure Vaginal Sex with Whores 2 is not a game, and is good subject for deletion, but I'm not sure. Could someone check? Because I don't think that belongs on a Nintendo page.
:It was vandalism. Andre (talk) 21:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Game? 

message: Is this section really warranted?
Let's just break it down here:
It concerns itself with a disorder that results from very heavy machinery vibrating the hands and arms. In the case of jackhammers, and similarly large devices, it's easy to see where a problem could arise. On the other hand, it's very much hard to believe that very small vibrating devices could ever reproduce a similar effect; at the very least, it's peculiar to think that something that doesn't even move the arms could possibly cause "hand-arm vibration syndrome".
The only suspected case of it ever arising from a game controller dealt with the original sony playstation. According to wikipedia, the playstation sold 102.49 million units. Now, granted, it's safe to assume that not every owner of those systems picked up dualshock controllers, so let's also consider the 111.25 million PS2's as well... Not to mention the fact that at least a few of them had at least two controllers... I think it's ludicrously underestimating to guess at 150 million dualshock (or dualshock 2) controllers in use.
And yet, only one suspected case of this disorder... Which leaves two possibilities: 1) It wasn't caused by the controller, in which case it wouldn't belong. 2) It was caused by the controller, but that means that, at most, one in 150 million will ever develop it; making it insanely non-notable.
And yet, there's more!
The only single suspected case of the disorder (linked to a game controller) was linked to the Sony PlayStation, which used two vibration mechanisms. The Rumble Pak only uses one. As such, whatever piddly risk might be associated with a dualshock controller... there's at best half that much associated with a rumble pak.
Seeing my point here?
And notice that the dualshock article doesn't even mention the "risk" of the vibration feature.
(Sorry to make this so long; I just wanted to cover everything all at once)
So, what do you think? Does it really need to stay, considering a general lack of scientific backup, and extremely shakey notability? Bladestorm 15:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been covered in the press to a notable degree, and is mentioned as a concern in health advice booklets with consoles, so I believe it should be included. It needs more references, though. Sockatume 01:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooookay... months later, and still no better sources. Still just a single suspected case, and even then, for a playstation controller (which had two motors, not one). If somebody doesn't cite this soon, I'm just going to remove it. Bladestorm 20:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it for you. If someone wants to readd the section they must have verifiable sources. --Thaddius 01:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health concerns? 

message: If memory serves, there was a rumble pak for Gameboy, although this might have been limited to certain games.
:Games like Pokemon Pinball were 'rumble carts' that required a AAA battery (I believe) but, as you say, they were limited to the cart that the rumble motor was attached to. I believe this does deserve mention though, and Ill throw in something about it later, unless someone beats me to it. --Thaddius 16:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. I'll consider adding them to the article myself (in another section of course). I seem to remember Wario Ware: Twisted giving some kind of feedback when rotating the gyro... this might not be rumble per se, but it should get an honourable mention maybe? --Thaddius (talk) 12:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The WarioWare Twisted! article actually mentions it having vibration feedback so I added it to the list. --Thaddius (talk) 15:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gameboy Rumble Pak

message: Is it true that the DS Rumble pak works in Single Card Download play? 
Example of what I mean: If my friend had a Rumble-enabled game and we are playing multiplayer, and my DS has a Rumble Pak (but no game card) in, will my DS's Rumble Pak work? If so, it might deserve a mention in the article --Rabin 16:37, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good question. I'll look into that, but I don't think we can verify it with a source. --Thaddius (talk) 01:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DS Download play 

message: 1)Stupid people often take the ds lite version of the rumble pak and insert it into the original ds. 
2)There was at one time a misprint on a shipment of ds rumble paks. Rumble pak was spelled Grumble sak. These are extremely rare so if you see one buy it!
3)Although the rumble pak didnt hit big in the gaming world, it hit big in our hearts, and that's all that counts.
4)In california a young adult girl thought that rumble pak meant when you plug it in it vibrates. The girl died shortly afterword. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.103.59 (speak) 01:08, 80 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What? IP users can be so weird. -Sesu Prime (talk) 04:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common mistakes with ds rumble pak... 

message: :I readded the list to the article that outlines all the games that supported rumble on the Nintendo 64. This was moved to it's own page at some point because it was a long list that some one didn't want on here. That page was then deleted as it was found 'un-encyclopedic' by another user. --Thaddius (talk) 19:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nintendo 64 Rumble Pak list 

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