Talk:Eurodance/Archive 1

message: I added a slew of Canadian eurodance artists that had hits nationally and worldwide.  However, I don't have enough information about the artists/bands individually (except their hit singles)... perhaps someone with more knowledge should start links for each of them. Is it right to include popular Canadian DJ's Chris Sheppard (DJ) and MC Mario, who helped make eurodance in Canada a commercial success through their compilation CD's? Trappy 05:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada 

message: Those artists listed are not even eurodance and neither is their music.  It's called "Eurodance" for a reason. It seems someone went on an ego trip.
Also, I find so many artists listed in the wrong country!  Regardless of ethnic origiin, birthplace, or residencey, they should be listed by production-based.
:: Disagree. Eurodance because is a type of dance music different for what USA ppl understand about this (Information Society).
===N*Sync===
I don't think that N*Sync should be included in this list of Eurodance artists, they were/are a pop boyband. Trappy 20:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: N*sync is indeed no Eurodance, I guess it would be Europop instead. That article is actually just as bad as this one (a short explanation, a long list of artists and it includes many artists that don't belong to the genre). One could come to think that both genres are actually the same. Black1Night 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States 

message: I don't think that N*Sync should be included in this list of Eurodance artists, they were/are a pop boyband. Trappy 20:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: N*sync is indeed no Eurodance, I guess it would be Europop instead. That article is actually just as bad as this one (a short explanation, a long list of artists and it includes many artists that don't belong to the genre). One could come to think that both genres are actually the same. Black1Night 20:51, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: N*Sync

message: Here in The Netherlands the term Eurodance is not widely known. Until around 1996-97 most people tended to call it just house. At that time the traditional Eurodance records were made, by groups consisting of a male (black) rapper and a (mostly blonde) singer (Snap!, La Bouche, Cappella, 2 Unlimited etc...). This is the period which I would consider Eurodance. After 1997 most rappers had disappeared and their parts were replaced by sung verses. This was the point where all the (Danish) Bubble gum acts started blooming and making use of the genre (Aqua, Toy-Box, Daze). 
Until around the year 2000 songs were still considered Eurodance, which was now referring to mainstream dance music with a catchy (sing-a-long-able) chorus and optimistic (simple) melodies (Eiffel 65, Sash!, Vengaboys). At this time people started calling it dance music. 
Due to artists like Tiësto, Johan Gielen, Ferry Corsten, and William Orbit, many people started labelling any dance music Trance after the year 2000, including Milk Inc. and Lasgo. This is the period when people believed that Eurodance was something of the past. Personally, I believe that this music is the same genre as late 1990s eurodance, only in a more modern way. The late nineties dance itself is clearly a continuation of 1980s pop and dance music (Stock Aitken and Waterman, Madonna). In a sense Rumanian bands like Akzent and O-Zone should then also belong to the genre. However, I think the 1992-1997 eurodance is really different from the rest. Because of its rapper-singer structure it does not fit into the natural process of 1980s dance music to that of 2006. 
Eurodance really is a specific genre in music and is not bound to borders I think. An American could hypothetically make Eurodance as well. It's only called Eurodance because it's large popularity over there and because of the amount of groups coming from there. Black1Night 23:05, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In 1997 eurodance was already down.. 1994-1995 was really eurodance period phenomenon with some of 1996 last standings. --Ciao 90 00:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Dutch view 

message: I think you guys are misguided.  Does it really matter where we arbitrarilly place the beginning and the end of Eurodance? Trying to dicover that one record where we can say "yeah, this is it, this is the beginning of eurodance" is kind of a waste of time. it is even more pointless to argue as to whether this act or that is technically eurodance.
instead, we need to look at the places where eurobeat really took off, like on European MTV, on certain dance radio stations, in certain clubs, and on the pages of Bravo and Popcorn.  We nned to focus on how exactly the music got around, and who exactly listened to it.  Only after examining the path the music took after it left the studio can we arrive at a definition of what eurodance really was.  how else can you even imagine fitting a song like "Mr. Vain" in the same Genre as a song like "Coco Jambo"? We all know that they belong in the same genre, but if asked why and left only to an analysis of the music itself, we would draw a blank.  Thats because the answer is in things like similarities in artist presentation,  music videos, marketing, and in appearances on the same mix cds and BRAVO super show compilations. on the other hand, some of the definitions and conceptions of eurodance on this sight are so questionable that one could very well argue that acts like The Fugees and Cypress Hill are Eurobeat.  And they're not.
I'm not being bitchy or anything, i just wanted to share my take on the situation.  its not that I don't like losing whole days pondering questions about which was the first Eurodance album, its just that i found that doing so gets you nowhere.  I think that all of those who love the sound love the art, the videos, the feeling that we know was in the air at the time.  Getting back to that feeling should be our job.
:The question is, is Eurodance something of the past or is it still a living genre? Black1Night 12:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Since 1997 the sound was not the same, but the rhythm-roots is heard until today for example with  Lasgo. The fact is there's a specific time period that genre showed their original characteristics and lots of difference exists from 90's artists comparing today and end of 90s. --Ciao 90 00:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're pretty right here, along with the remark that it died out even before 1997. Though e.g. La Bouche's Be My Lover sounds a lot different from what we would consider modern "eurodance". Black1Night 20:58, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I have no idea what in particular is to blame. I agree that the early eurodance tracks had common videos etc. (=fooling around with colours and other technical things) but I'm not sure whether this was the general way of making videos in the earlie 1990s or if it was unique. Videos after 1994/1995 were in any case similar to pop music videos, except for some more dancing maybe. But do you perhaps know what genre the newer music belongs to? I'm thinking of e.g. the acts I mentioned earlier (Eiffel 65, Sash!, Vengaboys, Milk Inc., Lasgo, O-Zone & Akcent). Perhaps we could get to know what it really is when we know what it definitely is not. Black1Night 09:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Eurobeat REALLY is.... 

message: Here, "eurodance" usually means what was produced from about 1993-1997.  Often it also includes the Danish bubblegum groups that were popular around the end of that time and sometimes it includes trance music, but that's about it.  It isn't taken to mean any dance music from Europe.
I see a lot of styles that were around before Eurodance are getting grouped in.  Latin freestyle is not Eurodance.  Hi-NRG ( like Stock, Aiken, and Waterman ) is not Eurodance.  House music is not Eurodance.
It's a little easier from this part of the world to arbitrarily pick a begin and end year because it's a tough market for dance music.  There really were only a few years here where this kind of music was popular.  Part of what made it special was that you generally had to go to a club or be very tuned in to hear this music.
It could be useful to debate some candidates for "first" Eurodance song in the article, so we can show where it evolved from house, Hi-NRG, etc.  The "disco" article has a similar list, and i think it does a good job.
But i would say that it's the keyboarding more than anything else that defines Eurodance.  There's a few elements that almost all of these songs have, like a "chunky" piano sound, a "hurdy gurdy" organ sound, and a "fanfare" sound.
141.154.23.254 04:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A view from the USA 

message: Planning to simplify the article based on the German and Italian-language "Eurodance" articles.  Planning to move list of artists section into the "List of eurodance artists" article.  Planning to talk more about the music itself.  Cool? Squidfryerchef 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning an extensive rework of the article 

message: "Candance" as we call them in Europe, has significant dance music scene that is very similar to Eurodance. Also, some eurodance artists from have performed in Canada.
Ever heard of Candance artists such as Joee, Capital Sound, Emjay, Yazoo, Nadia, Sabrina Paris, DJ Rad, or Zoe??? and more!
Today, the Euro scene is still strong in that country, especially in Toronto. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.20.221.90 (talk • contribs).
::I agree , as I had mentioned above, that Canada needs better representation in this article.  The euro-dance and can-dance scenes were extremely popular in the cities of Toronto and Montreal especially.  Both DJ's Chris Sheppard (Toronto) and MC Mario (Montreal) played to packed clubs every week, their shows went "Live to Air" on a regular basis, and their CD compilations were top sellers in Canada.  MuchMusic, the country's music tv station, aired a live show called Electric Circus every Friday night that showcased the best in Canadian and European Dance Music.  Energy 108, a Toronto radio station, was immensely popular and staged an annual concert called "Energy Rush" which showcased the best in dance music talent.  Today its referred to as "Hot Rush", as it is affiliated with the current dance music station Hot 103.5.  This is only a taste of what occured during the 90's Can-Dance scene, now its just a matter of finding the right sources to reference in this article.  Trappy 22:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Canada???