Talk:Skateboarding

message: The first two paragraphs on the '40s and '50s are repetitious. Kdammers (talk) 11:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  editing needed 

message: Suggestion/question: should we add Snowboarding and Surfing to the "See Also" section, considering that they're both sports with similar concepts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.167.171.203 (talk) 19:34, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Also 

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thread_title: Pending changes

message: monkeys can skate
204.248.116.69 (talk) 13:10, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 204.248.116.69, 16 September 2010 

message: the kid that invented the ollie was 13. skateboarding started out with steel wheels.
70.116.25.72 (talk) 23:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: They sound like interesting additions, but please provide a reliable source that supports them.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 70.116.25.72, 2 January 2011 

message: I have uploaded to YouTube a video recorded from the Military Channels "Secrets of World War Two" showing Nazis riding what appears to be a modern skateboard.
This video will prove that the skateboard was not invented in the united states. 
Below is the link to the video. My email address is [redacted] and my YouTube user name is mesavage999.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwxsay44LUY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
216.246.134.209 (talk) 02:41, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's an interesting video, but I'm not convinced that a board with wheels on it that you sit on really qualifies as a "skateboard" in the modern sense, as described at Skateboard.  This article currently states that no-one knows who made the first board and that probably several people came up with the idea around the same time, which is consistent with some people outside the US attaching some wheels to a flat board.  It doesn't challenge the later claim that the first manufactured skateboards came from California.  If you can find any reliable sources that discuss early boards outside the US, that info would be great to add. (I've redacted your email address to save you from spambots.) Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 02:58, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 216.246.134.209, 27 February 2011 Skateboard not invented in USA 

message: I would like to clarify the history of the aerial.
As I know it and it can be confirmed by a photo of george orton from 1976 doing a bio aerial, tony alva's interview in skateboarder in 78 and the ollie history.
THe aerial's invention and development was NOT parallel and not in the 198o's.
Goerge orton invented and perfected the frontside aerial in 1976, there is evidence.  What Orton "invented" was flying up and out of vert wall and then coming down that vert wall, the very first "air".
:In 1977 Tony Alva learned the move he first saw Orton, do, and refined it by wraping his arm around his rear leg and not through them. (tuck knee)
In 1978 Alan Gelfand (with Jeff Duer kinda doing it as well, ask Alan and Jeff) mastered the vertical no hands frontside air, opening up skateboarding to so many unvelievable on hands airs.
Each did something fist. Fist air, Orton, first tuck knee fronstide air Alva, first no hands master, Ollie Gelfand,
76.90.142.138 (talk) 00:33, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now:That may well be true but we can't change the encyclopedia based on what you (or I, or anyone) says. Material included here must meet the standards of WP:RS, WP:V, WP:N, etc. The bottom line is that the first publication of something is never in Wikipedia (see WP:NOR). If you have a source for your information and want it to be reconsidered, post it here and change the "answered=yes" to "answered=no" in the template at the top of this section. Thanks! — UncleBubba ( T @ C ) 21:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 76.90.142.138, 4 April 2011 

message: skateboard tricks are not called "stunts". someone please take down the picture of the asshole with the stick, it has no place on this page, move it to longboarding or somthing. peace 50.36.95.66 (talk)
:I changed the wording from stunt to trick. unfortunately I won't take down the pic unless other editors agree that the article is best without it. Comments are welcome! -Travis Thurston+ 18:25, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that, I'll know better next time ***Adam*** (talk) 06:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: request

message: While the Oillie is certainly a fundamental skateboarding trick, I'm not sure this belongs in the *introduction* of a general article on skateboarding.  It is definitely worthy of mention in this article,  just not here, as not all forms of skateboarding are as dependent on this trick as street staking.--Axatax (talk) 07:10, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and have removed those sentences from the lead.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 08:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ollies 

message: I added a "controversy" section in order to bring the skatestopper article out of orphan status.  I don't think this entry belongs under the heading it's currently under (probably needs a new major section), but I don't know how to change this (I'm very new at this....). 
Please don't think I'm anti-skateboarding -- I'm not.  I've been impaled by these devices on several occasions which is why I composed the Skatestopper article (the property owners installed a pair of these devices at the very bottom of an escalator we used to skate down inbetween in Fort Lauderdale, FL.) Axatax (talk) 07:52, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help! 

message: Isaiaha16 (talk) 20:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. —KuyaBriBriTalk 22:21, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 December 2012 

message: By Nicholas A. Chavez
Many people claim to have invented the first skateboard, and some even patented their ideas.  Let’s look at some of those patents. 
The essence of a skateboard is a wheeled vehicle with axles that pivot on opposing diagonal axes (like the letter V) which allows it to be steered by tilting the deck. With few exceptions, all other wheeled vehicles are steered by the front axle that pivots on a vertical or near vertical axis: wagons, scooters, cars, bicycles, coasters, even unicycles.  One exception is in-line skates and the like which travel in a straight line and are steered by lifting it off the ground and setting it down on new direction. The only relevant exception is quad skates. But unlike quad skates, the skateboard is not ridden in pairs, and is not attached to the foot by strap, clamp, clip, hook, lace, string, rope, tape, Velcro™, shoe, boot, nor by any means.   That’s why grip tape was invented.  
Some who claim to have invented the first skateboard, invented something with a fixed or non-pivoting rear axle, which is more wagon-like than skateboard-like.  Claims to be first have been made for things with both front and rear axles fixed and non-pivoting.  Some have even claimed pairs of wheeled foot-things or skate-like things as the first skateboard.  I think they have missed the essence of what a skateboard is. The modern skateboard came directly from clamp-on quad skates.
Thomas Welch’s “skateboard” invention (5,236,208 - 1993) has both front and rear axles pivot vertically 360 degrees plus.  Each axle is steered independently by a horizontal foot pad (steering wheel).  Any air and you never know which direction the wheels are going to be when you land.  You could mark the front and rear steering wheels.  Even then, you couldn’t correct it until you had grip after you land, which is probably too late to prevent a wipeout.  It misses being a skateboard on so many counts.  
The Humco Surfer used trucks that were patented by Albert Boyden (3,023,022 - 1962).  They had wide track wheels and steel springs instead of the narrow track and rubber pad of roller skates that was used by other skateboards at that time.
The Skeeter Skate was Henry Kinslow’s invention (2,474,946 - 1949). It was a scooter with a metal riding surface, a tall handle, and large wheels. Without the handle, this was a low-slung skateboard.
The earliest patent for skate+board belongs to E. S. Eggs (1,247,801 – 1917) for his “Riding Attachment for Roller Skates”. His wood deck had two tandem blocks beneath.  To each block he attached a whole, unmodified, clamp-on, roller skate. There was even a hole through the block for the ankle strap. When assembled, this was an 8-wheel skate-board.
The very first patent for a skateboard was issued to Francis X. LaChall of Seattle, WA (0,887,812 - 1915). That’s almost a century ago. That’s like World War One time. They were still using horses then. His invention did not use skate-like trucks which had already been invented, but had wide-track, steel spring trucks; and off-road wheels. The tilt steering was controlled through beveled rack and pinion gears front and rear.  His description included a child sitting on it coasting downhill (the reason for the short T-handle), and someone using it by standing on it. Too bad nothing came of it.  I can’t even imagine what skateboarding would be like today if it had started here and had another 50 years of stunning advances.  
(LaChall's patent drawing available)
Nicholas A. Chavez (talk) 17:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: I moved this from a 2011 request above and made it its own request. Stalwart111 03:10, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

text: Contrary to the post above from 2013, Emory S. Egge invented a scooter (then known as a "coaster") made out of a pair of roller skates, a board, and a steering post - not a skateboard. See this 1918 issue of Popular Science. Fences&Windows 20:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Who invented the skateboard?

message: The growing popularity and style of skateboarding is something that is intriguing to many.The artistic aspect is most interesting to me. The sport is very difficult and hard to master,as is any. Skateboarding is unique in its own way. There is a lot of culture behind it, from clothing style to lifestyle. This sports growing popularity is taking the world by storm. Ten years ago it was something that was frowned upon by many due to the nature of the sport. Today it is becoming an accepted part of society due to its artistic value. The videos and photography of professionals depict amazing stunts which can only be done by someone as skilled as they are. This is intriguing to many, recently over the past 10 years established TV networks like ESPN and ABC have covered skateboarding contests and events. Companies like Nike, the most established shoe line in the nation has a special line for skateboarding shoes.Companies like Puma,Adidas,  and New balance who primarily deal with more established sports are "dipping their hands" into skateboarding. The cultured clothing and other skateboarding merchandise is in high demand as well. There is great opportunity within this sport for everyone and it is a great individual and team sport for all ages. 
:Good-faith move from where this was pasted above. Stalwart111 00:02, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: Look.
Three people have already objected to the pic of that dude pushing a "skateboard" with a stick.
That is NOT skateboarding.
That is some type of long boarding, and belongs in it's own article, or in the "asshole" article.  
:I'm removing it, but because it's a duplicate of material at Longboarding. Your personal distaste for variations is inconsequential. Stalwart111 07:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked article 

message: I am seeking consensus with other Wikipedians for a very large/comprehensive edit of the article on Skateboarding based on the reference material I have found. Anyone that would be able to assist with this edit/draft process please feel free to jump in and start editing the edit/draft located here: User:Tinkermen/SandboxGH
Also please see the edit/draft page's talk page for comments about what may need to be addressed next in the process. Tinkermen (talk) 20:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skateboarding Edit/Draft 

message: I note references to France where a form of skateboard was used in the 1940's, and a picture of skateboarding in Afghanistan. It would be useful if someone could add a section about how the sport evolved worldwide, as currently most information is centered on the USA.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.57.174.252 (talk) 13:05, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  International 

message: The word "denoted" is being used wrongly in this article. "Termed" would be a correct replacement. 86.164.246.89 (talk) 20:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The word "denoted" is being used wrongly in this article 

message: CITATION NEEDED: The "Controversy" section of this article asserts that companies install skate stoppers to prevent "perceived damage". This is an unsupported claim in need of citation. It's possible that these devices are installed for liability/insurance or other reasons.
110.174.173.155 (talk) 03:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Mlpearc (open channel) 21:18, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Which would be the insurance companies attempting to prevent perceived or potential damage to persons or property. I'm not saying it doesn't need a citation but let's not read things so narrowly as to change the meaning. Stalwart111 22:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2013 

message: I am planning on editing the external link of "Skateboarding Kings" to "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2bRvseoFOo" due to the fact that the link is dead. Also I planned on adding another external link to the social network for skateboarding "The Skate Network" "http://www.theskatenetwork.com"
Aeiro (talk) 22:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2014 

message: Please change the piped link to the street skating article in this sentence (which is located at the end of the first of the two paragraphs in the 1980s section):
As most people could not afford to build vert ramps, or did not have access to nearby ramps, street skating increased in popularity.
to a piped link with the following text:
Thank you very much for your co-operation.
88.104.104.184 (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2014 

message: In Singapore, skateboarding is completely illegal (it's a Muslim country), and punishible by 500+ lashes (beating with a bamboo shoot in a public setting). 69.65.91.78 (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure we would include a fact like that about one specific country. But if we did, we would need a strong reliable source. St★lwart111 14:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singapore 

message: adding a needed citation see below
Films such as the 1986 Thrashin', Grind and Lords of Dogtown, have helped improve the reputation of skateboarding youth, depicting individuals of this subculture as having a positive outlook on life, prone to poking harmless fun at each other, and engaging in healthy sportsman's competition.
Gnomeplus (talk) 15:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reference - Arjayay (talk) 16:17, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2015 

message: Mark Gonzales should be mentioned as one of the pioneers of street skateboarding under either the 1980's or 1990's section of the page. 
45.56.43.59 (talk) 05:20, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:34, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2016 

message: Please add the following citation where it says [citation needed] at the end of the first paragraph under the heading "Controversy":
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/how-cities-use-design-to-drive-homeless-people-away/373067/
#1Lib1Ref Csspector (talk) 21:10, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 05:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 January 2017 

message: I came across this passage as I read the article today:
:One of the earliest sponsored skateboarders, Patti McGee […] Some of the other well known surfer-style skateboarders of the time also included Danny Bearer, Torger Johnson, Bruce Logan, Bill and Mark Richards, Woody Woodward, & Jim Fitzpatrick.
The bold words in that sentence are redundant. Consider that any of the following would be sufficient:
*"Some of the other[s] were…"
*"The other[s] included…"
*"Some of [them] also were…"
*"[They] also included…"
I've changed it to the first one, but I wanted to point out this remarkable sentence. PointyOintment (talk) 02:37, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some of the others also included" 

message: Autopeds are essentially motorized skateboards and came in all kinds of shapes.
They were in commercial production by 1915 so were around before that as homebuilds or hobby builds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoped
Before autopeds there were very small bikes for children (without pedals) sometimes called balance bikes or hobbyhorses. The first skateboard was probably a home repair to one of these, then a home conversion into a motorized autoped. As these kind of things spread slowly and autopeds were in commercial production by 1915 I would guess 10 to 50 years before that.  Rollerskates were invented in 1863, so this seems right to me.
I'd say the first skateboard is somewhere between 1850-1900  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiuserinfinity (talk • contribs) 19:00, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  invention of skateboards 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi everyone, my gender studies class is using WikiEdu for our projects and we're supposed to leave a brief article evaluation. While reading the "Culture" section, I noticed that there isn't much information about the demographic trends within skateboarding. Like the article mentions, social media has been utilized the past couple years to document new places and new tricks. However, it falls short in a way by not mentioning the current exposure diverse and international skaters are gaining through media.  There is peer-reviewed social research that could expand the understanding of who is defining and shaping modern skater culture. Maybe this would be a good addition? Adnaankins (talk) 04:15, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for Expansion 

message: Hello! I am a new wiki editor and I would like to add some information about women in skateboarding. I believe this needs it's own section, but could use some help identifying resources that I could add in order to build a section on women in skateboarding. Please feel free to post suggestions here or on my talk page Jlspeakman (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women in Skateboarding 

message: Change the articles main photo to this one of lizzie armanto as the first female on the cover of trans world skateboarding magazine 
https://girlskateuk.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_6018-1.jpg
frameless|Lizzie Armando as the first woman on the cover of Transworld Skateboarding Magazine.
Thank you! ----
: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. In addition, the image suggested is not free-use. All images must comply with WP:IUP#COPYRIGHT. Waddie96 (talk) 11:24, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2018 

message: Great article on skateboarding, I would like to request that a sentence or two be mentioned about the movie Back To The Future and how it also helped popularize skateboarding in the 1980s, this is noted on the Back To The Future Wikipedia page, thanks for your consideration. 4.16.145.3 (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: . Vaselineeeeeeee★★★ 21:07, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2019 

message: Add the following information to the History section:
The sport of skateboarding will make its Olympic debut at the Tokyo 2020 Games.There will be two disciplines on the Skateboarding programme: street and park. The competition will include both men's and women's events. Nic Sollars (talk) 11:44, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: with my own wording tweaks. A2soup (talk) 23:55, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2019 

message: It would be good to add "history of first jumps" like figure skating has (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_skating_jumps#History_of_first_jumps). It would do well to show the evolution of the sport. 89.201.184.188 (talk) 20:06, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  history of first jumps 

message: I think that the info about the history, could be better. My reasoning, because we need to supply all the things that the reader needs, and I think that one thing the reader want to know about, is the history. Not that I don't like this history, but I think it could be improved, and described better.
Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:22, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  More history? 

message: Please remove the original link to rogerskateboards.com [41](https://www.rogerskateboards.com/welcome-back-to-the-future-of-radical/). The site has been taken over by affiliate spammers and use the Wikipedia links to abuse google rankings. Roger skateboards is alive again (https://rogerskateco.com/) but the original article is gone. Gnarliest (talk) 10:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done – Thjarkur (talk) 20:21, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2020 

message: I found a video from the CBC from 1965, casually referring to "skateboard surfing" as "skurfing" and I was wondering if anyone felt it was relevant to add the article, as I'm rather a novice at Wikipedia. The link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNh7haVopCY&ab_channel=CBC Navvvrisk (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Skurfing" 

message: Skateboarding does not always damage property, as most of the time Skateboarders don't do noseslides, tailslides grinds, or other tricks that are known to damage property. Those are advanced tricks that most people dont attempt to do when riding a skateboard. XxEL0ng4t3dMuskr4txx (talk) 22:21, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I don't see where the article says that skateboarding always damages property. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 23:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2020 

message: Due to the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, World Skate banned Russian and Belarusian athletes and officials from its competitions, and will not stage any events in Russia or Belarus in 2022.[🖉
--2603:7000:2143:8500:40E4:ADD4:9DD5:33E8 (talk) 04:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: - WP:RECENTISM. Probably more appropriate on International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War, or a similar article. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 13:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add 

message: "The presence of a designated skating area within this public space keeps the space under nearly constant watch and drives homeless people away..."
This is a horrible misrepresentation of the article being cited -- if not a downright fabrication. Article says that skaters make others feel safe around homeless in a given space, not that the skaters drive homeless away! 2601:58B:E7F:7DB0:C039:7593:E2C0:AE (talk) 07:09, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresentation of cited article 

message: Change reference 119 hyperlink:
FROM http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18443561
TO https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2011/07/08/woman-killed-after-collision-with-skateboarder-had-been-hit-by-one-15-years-prior/ Taimoorzaeem (talk) 11:07, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice job tracking that one down. Xan747 ✈️ 🧑‍✈️ 18:21, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2023 

message: Edit suggestion for description. 2601:19C:4E00:55F8:DDB5:7B14:E0D5:837F (talk) 14:31, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It should say "legal", but was clearly changed at some point and gone unnoticed until now. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 16:51, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "although illegal" ...is this correct? I believe skateboarding to be legal, unless posted. 

message: Hello, I propose merging Skateboarding trick into Skateboarding. Both articles cover the topic of skateboarding, with the article about tricks covering the subject more in detail. However, viewing the page info, the Skateboard trick article only has 6,185 bytes and 1,355 page views (past 30 days) while the Skateboarding article has 102,226 bytes and 19,380 page views (past 30). Therefore, a merge would not cause weighting problems and would attract more people to one concise and explanatory article. Who’s in?DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - whilst intrinsically linked, the two articles cover completely different topics. This article is about the act of using a skateboard, and the history of the form whilst skateboarding trick explains just one of several ways in which the skateboard can be used (of which there are a number, many of which are included in this navbox template). We wouldn't merge rallying with car just because the former makes use of the latter. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 20:53, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Jasca Ducato Your provided analogy between rallying and cars and the proposed merge of "Skateboarding trick" into "Skateboarding" isn’t a good analogy. Unlike rallying and cars, where the former is just one specific use of the latter, skateboarding tricks are integral to the very essence and culture of skateboarding itself. Skateboarding is not just the act of using a skateboard; it’s a sport and an art form, which heavily involves its tricks. DirtySocks357(WreckItRalph) (talk) 21:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Support - I agree, tricks are fundamental to all forms of skateboarding. Outside of Slalom skateboarding which isn't even that popular. It's like if driving a car had a separate article than the main car article. It's ultimately more confusing and they should be merged. Ggoofy14 (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal