Talk:Taiwan (island)/Archive 7

message: On the Taiwanese Aborigines page, it states that roughly 70% of Taiwanese Aborigines are Christian while on this page it says over 64% are. Which one should be changed? Eugeniu B (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *It's quite likely that the two are quoting different sources. Why don't you do some research...? Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 02:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

text: * OK I just looked. Both quotes are from Stainton. The one on this page is the older one (2004), and says over 64%; the newer one (2006) says about 70%. I don't think Stainton provides sources for these figures, but I'd bet they're from government statistics somewhere. Ling.Nut (WP:3IAR) 02:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christianity? 

message: Please leave comments at .
122.109.171.138 (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for new Taiwanese Wikipedia 

message: Need POJ reading at Sean Lien. Badagnani (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need POJ 

message: Also need POJ for 鸭母哒仔 and 鴨母笛 at Guan (instrument). Thank you, Badagnani (talk) 20:42, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need POJ 

message: Since the Taiwan localization movement of the 1990s, Taiwan's cultural identity has been allowed greater expression. Identity politics, along with the over one hundred years of political separation from mainland China has led to distinct traditions in many areas, including cuisine, opera, and music.
Since 1895, Taiwan has been ruled separately from China for 108 of 113 years. Please do not change "over one hundred" to "fifty" as the latter is less accurate and less useful in explaining the cultural differences. Readin (talk) 19:15, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  culture and separation 

message: Journal	East Asia
Publisher	Springer Netherlands
ISSN	1096-6838 (Print) 1874-6284 (Online)
Issue	Volume 24, Number 3 / September, 2007
Category	Original Article
DOI	10.1007/s12140-007-9022-z
Pages	269-294
SpringerLink Date	Thursday, October 04, 2007
https://commerce.metapress.com/content/d817251735u7w101/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.html&sid=gb1zrvrdtpt0pi45afevfw45&sh=www.springerlink.com
According to Google search,
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&newwindow=1&q=Taiwanese+%22view+of+Japan%22+than+%22other+Asian%22+suffer&start=10&sa=N&fp=S3dUhtJA77k
the above article contains "...but unlike in other Asian countries, a significant cross-section of Taiwanese. people hold a positive view of Japan and the Japanese." but the actual article is behind a login so I haven't been able to verify.  This would provide the cite for recently deleted text.  (despite the deleter's statement about his personal circle of aquaintances, the truth of the statement is well known by many others based on their experiences, but if he's going to make a case of it we need a source).
Anyone have access to a copy to check it out? Readin (talk) 03:19, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone have access to this? 

message: :Taiwan played a significant part in the system of Japanese prisoner of war camps that extended across South-East Asia between 1942 and 1945.'  Allied POW's, as well as 'women and children as young as seven or eight years old,' were brutally enslaved at various locations like at the copper mine northwest of Keelung, sadistically supervised by Japanese and some Taiwanese. It was found that, while the Japanese were invariably proud to give their name and rank, Taiwanese soldiers and 'hanchos' invariably concealed their names … some Taiwanese citizens … were willing participants in war crimes of various degrees of infamy … young males were to an extent highly nipponized; in fact a good proportion in the 1930s are reported to have been actively hoping for a Japanese victory in China, so they can find jobs as pro-consuls and carpet-baggers in the new Empire. One of the most tragic events of the whole Pacific war took place in Kaohsiung.  This was the bombing of the prison ship Enoura Maru in Kaohsiung harbour on January 9, 1945.'
I pulled the above paragraph out of the article due to its obvious emotional language and subjective statements.  However, rather than dump it completely, I thought should leave it here in case anyone wants to clean it up.  It does contain some truths - there was at least one POW camp in Taiwan where the Allied prisoners were mistreated.  Readin (talk) 14:56, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotional paragraph on POW camps in Taiwan 

message: Page sysop protected due to recent content dispute. Tan  |  39 16:03, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: I've tried to reach a balance between some of the edit warriors.  Before changing, please discuss here.  I'll start by explaining why I've rejected certain wording:
"process of localization in which local, Taiwanese regional culture and history was promoted"
:To see why this is biased, consider an alternative "process of localization in which Taiwanese national culture and history was promoted".  Trying to emphasize a belief that Taiwan is merely a "local" part of a larger whole, or a mere region within a larger whole, is POV. There are certainly instances where the terms may apply to Taiwan, but in this case they are unnecessary and POVish. Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Whether Taiwanese is a dialect or a language is much disputed.  No need to say either here. Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Needs a reliable source. Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Calling the Japanese a colonial period and not calling the Chinese rules colonial is bias POV.  Both were non-native rules fitting the definition of "colonial". Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

text: needs citation.  Also calling the Japanese rule an "occupation" suggests, so I've been told by those who object to calling the ROC an "occupation", illegitimacy.  It is therefor POV. Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Again the use of "regional" is unnecessary and appears to be a POV push. Readin (talk) 03:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

text: In this case "regional" is acceptable as it is presenting a particular POV as a POV.  However the "truly" is unnecessary and appears to be an attempt to make the other side look extreme in its POV. Readin (talk) 03:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you saying celebrating Chinese New year is a "colonial" practice? Blueshirts (talk) 01:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  biases 

message: It says in the article that Taiwan has evolved into a "flawed democracy" and then links to the Democracy Index, a ranking released by the Economist.  While I'm a fan of the Economist, I don't think this little known term specific to their study should be applied to the article, especially without explanation.  I think the article should say "a democracy with such and such issues".  Any other thoughts?  TastyCakes (talk) 14:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it should be included at all, it's inrrelative to the article.  As already noted, this article needs to be cleaned up, it's got stuff in it that's not supposed to be.  This article should be about the Island, the statement you noted should be in the ROC article, not this one.  Liu Tao (talk) 22:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Saying it's a democracy would be more than enough, especially for the intro. Blueshirts (talk) 04:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flawed democracy 

message: Is it possible to add the Tzu Chi Foundation on to this page?
Tzu Chi is quite an important part of Taiwan, and also has a very big influence internationally. Even arriving to certain disasters before the Red Cross.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.195.1.61 (talk) 00:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What especial do you want to add then? 快樂龍 08:53, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

text: This might be ok, if you rearrange some sentences, it might be even better. 快樂龍 09:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tzu Chi Foundation 

message: I'm curious.  Why the switch? Readin (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I just moved Economy to the bottom. This article seems primarily cultural/geographical, so the economy seems least important, hence the switch. --Cybercobra (talk) 16:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the economy is as much a part of the place as the culture and geography.  But since their all equal I guess the switch doesn't really matter. Readin (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  culture and economy order switched. 

message: Can someone verify that for me? it seems a little strange to me.
:I don't have access to the book mentioned in the citation in the article, but I can tell you that Taiwanese do associate themselves with sweet potatoes.  A story I heard while living in the U.S. illustrates this and is a bit humorous (but not overly so).   A Taiwanese couple were visiting the doctor (also Taiwanese) with their young child.  They expressed concern to the doctor that the child was not growing as fast as his (mostly white) peers.  The doctor replied, "What do you expect?  Potatoes have potatoes; sweet potatoes have sweet potatoes." Readin (talk) 16:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have also heard this reference before, although I don't remember from where I heard this. The alliance (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children of the sweet potato? 

message: Is that figure for Taiwan (which I presume to cover the Pescadores and the Green Island, the Orchird Island, etc.) or for the ROC as a whole? Montemonte (talk) 22:58, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's for all areas under ROC administration. Blueshirts (talk) 01:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic groups 

message: I would like to use this page's information for my Zhongji.Wikia homepage, because Taiwan is the center of country for three series. Therefore I need permission to copy this page's information.
Action Parker 11:16, June 25, 2009 (UTC)
:If I remember the wiki-policy correctly, you may use any information you want in Wikipedia without permission from anyone, as long as you don't call the information your own and that you designate that you got the info from wikipedia.  Liu Tao (talk) 18:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at Wikipedia:Copyrights#Reusers' rights and obligations. DMacks (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright permission 

message: Since History, Geography, Demographics, Culture, and Economy are detailed in this article, it is perfectly logical and reasonable to have a section on the Political situation in the article as well.  However as it is so contentious as to need separation into two articles, one from the ROC viewpoint and the other from the PRC viewpoint, I have added a Political section heading in this article, referring to the contentiousness and the two principal articles. 
If good will is exercised by the protagonists, this inclusion might defuse the merge debate somewhat, even though it is doing little more than expanding the disclaimer at the top of the article. Gubernatoria (talk) 01:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political 

message: There has been a discussion on WP:3O on Talk:Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Equipment Origin and I think a WP:3O from someone familiar with the ROC/Taiwan territory would be helpful.  Readin (talk) 22:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:3O]] on [[Talk:Republic_of_China_Air_Force#Equipment Origin]] 

message: The final subsection on the Modern political era suggests Ma Ying-jeou campaigned for closer ties with mainland china.  But are ties closer now then they were two years ago?  Neurofish (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Democratic Era 

message: There isn't a section on the current structure of armed forces. --Alchemist Jack (talk) 12:29, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That section is located here, because it is not specifically a cultural or geographical topic particular to Taiwan. The military is operated by the state. The alliance (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military 

message: Why the flag of Taiwan is not being shown in big sizes icon as the flags of other nations? रोहित रावत (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This page refers to the island and not the political state. You may be looking for ROC. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 09:50, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Taiwan 

message: It should state Chinese Kuomintang martial law period, because the official name of the Kuomintang is Chinese Kuomintang.  I believe the Chinese who went to Taiwan after losing their civil war in China want to brainwash the Taiwanese.  That's why they leave out the word Chinese in Chinese character and in English as well.  Kuo means nationals in Chinese character, they want the Taiwanese to think they are part of the Chinese nation.  That's the why the Chinese brainwash people.  It's Chinese Kuomintang, not just Kuomintang.  What is Kuomintang to someone who doesn't know about Taiwan or China?  It doesn't mean a whole lot.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.137.201.43 (talk) 18:45, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kuomintang martial law period