Template talk:Human name disambiguation

message: Can someone point me to the discussion about this template being redirected? Thanks in advance — Bellhalla 07:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28disambiguation_pages%29/Disambiguation_subcategories Tedernst | talk 16:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: --William Allen Simpson 06:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: If it was deprecated at one point, it is not now deprecated. Chris the speller 20:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little help... 

message: As the category is being kept, we should keep this template as well. It's a simple way to add the category. Besides, as long as the template is not being deleted as per TfD, there isn't really a reason to not use it. -- User:Docu
: The preceding undated comment was made 03:00, March 25, 2006 by Docu. Chris the speller 22:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one am very glad that this template (and the associated category) were not deleted. They make a very useful pair in adding clarity to disambiguation pages. --BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) 14:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: I question the benefit of assigning categories to disambiguation pages.  Isn't it conceivable that a band could form with the name Greg Ellis (but no members so named) thus making the template obsolete?  - BalthCat 19:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: Why the awkward term "human name"?  All names are used by humans.  Perhaps if we were space aliens, we could use this term to refer to names adopted by those humans over there on Earth.
Since it links to personal name, I will change the text. —Michael Z. 2006-11-06 21:05 Z
This human name article is a disambiguation page — a list of pages that might otherwise share the same title, which is a person's or persons' name. If an article link referred you here, you might want to go back and fix it to point directly to the intended page.
: Come to think of it, this is not so well written overall.
:* This "human name article" is not an article at all: it is a disambiguation page
:* "Person's or persons' name" is needlessly redundant
:* It is not quite consistent with the text of :template:disambig
: Any objections to change it to the following?
	This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article.
: Yes, it's almost identical to :template:disambig.  But why make changes to that text which serve no purpose?  Why confusingly mix the phrases "human name" and "person's or persons' name"? —Michael Z. 2006-11-06 21:12 Z
This really ought to be about personal names, not just human names. Someday, a cat (say) named after Erwin Schrödinger (say) is liable to become famous as an animal actor (say, in commercials for a new line of personal quantum computers marketed by Apple —they're just the guys to do this sort of thing). Even if only human names are likely to come up in the near future, there's no reason to limit this arbitrarily. —Toby Bartels 19:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just reverted an edit which made the change to "personal name". I have no desire to be speciest, but this template is only use on article about humans, and since human biographical articles are categorised separately for non-human ones, the distinction is relevant. Also, personal name is less clear (it could refer to the "personal name" I give to a place). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just changed it back to 'personal name', because 'human name' is distracting and sounds ridiculous. Leaving aside arguments about speciesism, everybody knows that 'personal name' means a person's name. Who is going to be confused? --Heron (talk) 18:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Human name?" 

message: There are biography articles where the first name personal name causes confusion, where the last name causes confusion (surname and ), and were two or more terms from a single human name cause confusion . Using "human name" in  is confusing because the personal name, middle name, and last name of a human all are human names. In addition, the template ) is not consistent with the article personal name from which the template derives its meaning. The template  should be change to . However, proper name should be considered as well. -- Jreferee (Talk) 17:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about ? -- Cielomobile talk / contribs 05:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to change this template

message: The template is broken. The first part of the first line "<noinclude><noinclude>" needs a backslash before the second "noinclude". jwillbur 16:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed. SkierRMH (talk) 16:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my mistake. Sorry, and thanks for the fix. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "noinclude" tag 

message: If a disambig page contains a fictional human character, should it use the hndis template? Dsp13 (talk) 11:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know some editors feel that they should be treated differently, but I say that some readers in some cases will not know whether a name refers to a human or a fictional character. Once the disambig page (which will probably be a hndis page) does its job and gets them to the right article, then they will know. After all, even most fictional characters have human names; Mike Hammer is a human name that refers to a (fictional) human, while C3PO is a non-human name that refers to a fictional robot. Chris the speller (talk) 19:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional characters

message: The term "human name" sounds really odd. I propose changing the wording from "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same human name." to "This disambiguation page lists articles relating to people with the same name." Bingobangobongoboo (talk) 12:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human name 

message: on Peter Powell it seems to be producing a double divider line on the (HN)disambig notice. Should it be doing that?. Peachey88 (Talk Page | Contribs) 00:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was because the  tag was at the end of a line of text. Adding a few newlines fixed it. jwillbur 00:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Divider Line

message: Even though :Category:Lists of ambiguous human names is a subcategory of :Category:Disambiguation, it would be helpful if this template also placed articles directly in :Category:Disambiguation, so that automated scripts may easily identify (by scanning that category) the universe of all disambiguation pages.  --Russ (talk) 19:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure about this. There are many more templates like this one that do not use the parent category. Bots should probably be using MediaWiki:Disambiguationspage. --- RockMFR 19:08, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Per above. PeterSymonds (talk) 14:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: At , I've remodeled  to 
* Fix the  problem described in the section above this one.
* In addition to normal hndis functionality, the remodeled version can also serve as the "core" for (e.g) , with text and categories being changed as appropriate.
* Its also usable for dab pages that include both given names and last names, but (unlike hndis) separate from each other. Such pages will then not need to transclude multiple templates.An example of where this is used is Rhys.
* Allow multiple categories (so one can have e.g. "cat:Welsh given name" and "cat:English given name").
The revised version is at . I'll update the /doc if there are no objections. -- Fullstop (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for this request sitting here so long without a response—the proposed code at User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T2 contains references to User:Fullstop/Sandbox/T3—are you intending this template to depend on one of your subpages? Pagrashtak 15:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Heavens no. ;) A sub-page of hndis, e.g. "Hndis/aux" or "Hndis/expandcat" (or something) please! Alternatively, we could also expand it inline, but I don't think that's a good idea. -- Fullstop (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please move your T2 subpage to Template:Hndis/sandbox and your T3 subpage to whatever subpage is appropriate and update the sandbox to use the final name. After you've done that, I would appreciate it if you could solicit comments from the dab WikiProject. Since this appears to be a major change, I'd like to have a couple of other editors verify that this is good to go before implementation. Pagrashtak 17:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *nod* Will do. I will also write up the doc first. That way, comments can address functionality right away. -- Fullstop (talk) 23:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: This seems to be a pretty major change, so I've disabled the editprotected template pending discussion. Maxim(talk) 15:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks. It takes off this pressure. ;) -- Fullstop (talk) 05:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  multi-type, multi-cat and fix for {defaultsort} problem 

message: In a discussion over the use of this template or  (discussion here, page concerned was Ulrik) I felt that the phrase "personal name" (i.e  in the text displayed "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same personal name.") was ambiguous because personal name could refer to someone's given name. I propose the text be changed to "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same full name." Full name redirects to personal name but full name differentiates  from  more clearly. Any thoughts? Tassedethe (talk) 06:28, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose changing wording 

message: The wikilink of "Disambiguation" in main dab template :Template:Disambig has been changed from Wikipedia:Disambiguation to Help:Disambiguation. Similarly the link needs to be changed here for sake of consistency. Cited third page (talk) 03:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: - And I am going to update the rest of the disambig boxes. --David Göthberg (talk) 10:02, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change link 

message: It might be possible to add a link to this template (or maybe to a talk page template) directing readers and/or editors to a category listing of living people with the same surname. To see what I mean, follow link a link like articles on living people named 'Atherton', and then compare to List of people with surname Atherton. Would something like this be possible to add to the template? It would ideally be a link covering all biographical articles (both of living people and the dead), but as we don't have a category containing all biographical articles, that is not currently possible (hopefully it will be possible one day - ideas on how to do that welcomed), but it is currently possible for articles on living people. That example, chosen purely at random, has only two of the living people listed on the surname disambiguation (technically set index) page. That may be because the others are less notable than those who are dead and safely notable, so indiscriminate updating of such lists may not be the best idea. Carcharoth (talk) 21:51, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I don't think I get your point. Maurreen (talk) 21:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting idea, Carcharoth. Given your example, might it be better placed in the surname template? (Ceteris paribus, those are more likely to be incomplete.) Dsp13 (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Surname template is a much better idea (typically, I put my idea on the wrong talk page)! I will make a longer proposal there, and have now done so here (hopefully that is clearer, if longer). Carcharoth (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Automated template link to list of living people with same name? 

message: Hi. Please undo this edit. The article feedback tool is now opt-in per-article. The blacklist category is no longer necessary. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Redrose64 (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove [[:Category:Article Feedback Blacklist]] 

message: As this is the 'actual template' as opposed to a redirect I think it should be renamed and moved to Template:Human name disambiguation. This page would become a redirect to the new page name. The functionality and use case would remain the same however if someone tried to find out what Hndis was the more verbose name would allow them to figure it out quicker. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:46, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Support, excellent idea! All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 05:12, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: In David Armstrong there is at first  and after that . Is it wrong? Should the defaultsort-sentence in such circumstances be removed? Taivorist (talk) 10:57, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defaultsort again 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Dab pages vs name SIAs.  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:45, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#Dab pages vs name SIAs]]

message: Please update the template's code from the sandbox version, which:
* Uses  to disable 
* Propagates the value of  to the  transclusion.
These changes (borrowed from the  template code) allow categorization to be prevented when displaying example message boxes on pages like Wikipedia:Template_messages/General, which is currently being categorized in :Category:Disambiguation pages with short description. FeRDNYC (talk) 01:30, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done -- /Alex/21 04:17, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 30 January 2019 

message: Please change:

To:

This adds the  category to  per WP:RRCAT. J947 (c), at  02:29, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Izno (talk) 04:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 22 February 2020