Talk:University of Notre Dame/Archive 1

message: A while back a study came out, affiliated with a major magazine, that found Notre Dame was the second most common answer after Harvard as to which school americans thought was the top in the nation. Even though this is somewhat objectively obsurd, it seems worth mentioning in the section on reputation to give a grounded idea of how the lay public percieves the school. 
Source and verifibility and it could go in 68.14.135.82 00:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Recognition 

message: Whether we like it or not, the Boston College game is billed as a rivalry by all major sports media.  We can continue to play the elitist card and rest on our laurels, or we can accept the game for what it truly is.
: Yes, but even if Boston College were to be listed as a rival, and it probably should be since ND and BC are the only two Catholic universities playing major college football, it would still be more proper for it to be listed as part of a series of other rivals along with Purdue and Navy. After USC, the biggest rival of the Fighting Irish has to be Michigan. The current article seems to suggest that Boston College is the number 2 rival, and this is simply not the case. Tewdrig 06:45, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
I agree.  BC may be a rival, but USC and Michigan are definitely our two biggest rivals. --Icehcky8 04:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Athletics 

message: IMO, Notre Dame is in South Bend, not adjacent to it. It just has its own ZIP code for the convenience of the Postal Service. It's not a real town. It doesn't have an elementary school, a police departmen, a fire department, or any other municipal services, nor does it have a mayor, town council, or any other municipal officials. It is just a university campus. --Tysto 21:44, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
:I edited myself in the above comment to eliminate my un-Wiki display of bile. I swear, it was just the Boilermaker in me. However, I have left the core of the commment, some of which I have admitted below was incorrect. --Tysto 21:06, 2005 May 31 (UTC)
: I decided to leave the word "adjacent" and add an explanation in a Location section. The university is kind of proud of its address, even if other colleges laugh when they see their roster says they'll be playing in "Notre Dame, Indiana." A clarification about police: the campus "security police" are just private security; their website uses clever wording, but only those officers who are real cops in their regular jobs in the surrounding communities have the full training and legal authority of sworn police; the others are just dudes with a nice uniform. --Tysto 22:24, 2005 May 6 (UTC)
::Um, it actually does have its own sworn police and its own fire department as well.  Yes, they employ non-sworn patrolmen in addition to their sworn force, but so does the NYPD.
Notre Dame, IN is a viable city.  It does have educational facilities, though none for little kids.  But look at the populace!  No little kids! I think the city of Notre Dame serves it's tax-paying (a.k.a. buying football tickets) citizens very well.  
Fr. Jenkins is the mayor, and will perhaps become the longest-serving of American mayors in a few years' time.
"Department Staff
"For nearly 140 years the University of Notre Dame has been served by it's own Fire Department. ...
"Today, the Notre Dame Fire Department is staffed by professional full-time Firefighters, twenty-four hours a day. Each duty shift has one Captain (shift commander) and three Firefighter/Emergency Medical Technicians. There is a total of three shifts that work twenty-four hours at a time. The Department is also staffed with 19 on-call Firefighters who fill in for full time Firefighters and serve as additional manpower when major events and incidents occur."
"In addition to being Indiana State certified Firefighter 1 and 2 level, all Notre Dame Firefighters are also state certified Emergency Medical Technicians. Most NDFD personnel are certified in hazardous materials response at the operations level, certified divers and trained in high and low angle rope rescue, confined space rescue and ice rescue."
"The Fire Department is lead by a Fire Chief..."--Samuel J. Howard 01:31, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
I've rewritten this so that it is now accurate.  Also I've noted that while in an unicorporated part of St. Joseph county, the campus does cross both Portage and Clay townships.  Most of the campus is in Portage, but the expansions across the (east of) Juniper Rd. are in Clay tonwnship.--Samuel J. Howard 01:42, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
: Thanks for the correction about the NDFD. My memory and web search were both deficient. I stand by my statements about the ND security police. --Tysto 18:44, 2005 May 7 (UTC)
Even if you think it is important to keep the mention of Juniper road, your phrasing is poor: "located partly in Portage township, most of the campus, and partly in Clay township, east of Juniper Road." I'd suggest changing it to: "Most of campus is located in Portage township, while expansions east of Juniper Road lay in Clay township."--michael zimmer 19:42, May 7, 2005 (UTC)
: Does anyone really care what township Notre Dame is in? Does that even belong in an encyclopedia? It seems to me that the answer to the question "Where is Notre Dame?" is "South Bend, Indiana, but it has its own ZIP code." --Tysto 21:07, 2005 May 9 (UTC)
::I agree that in terms of identifying the location of ND in an encyclopedia article, the actual township is not necessary information (especially which particular road marks the division between townships). Whether or not the campus exists within the city limits of South Bend is a different issue. I think the best entry would be something like "Notre Dame is adjacent to the city of South Bend, IN and approximately 90 miles southeast of Chicago" as listed on SouthBend.com--michael zimmer 22:07, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
In response to Tysto--But it is not "in South Bend, Indiana".  Nor of course is having one's own zip code at all important, since, for instance, arbitrary divisions of large cities with no organic unity frequently have their own zip codes.  I lived there and to vote I had to register with St. Joseph County as a resident of Clay township.  Figuring out where the border was required quite a bit of research.  Why should the information not be included?  Wikipedia is not paper.  This is exactly the kind of thing that should be included in an encyclopedia.--Samuel J. Howard 02:53, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
:I applaud your effort; it's more than I could muster, and I've lived around there almost my whole life. I think the township detail should not be included because it's not helpful to 99% of readers (the information in the entry for Notre Dame, Indiana is appropriate, including the township detail). I was fine with the word "adjacent" and misspoke when I wrote "in" again. I just object to wording that suggests that the university is a town in any traditional sense. --Tysto 00:37, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
Regardless of whether Notre Dame is its own town or not, this debate is not important and should not be emphasized in anyway in the main article.  A slight note somewhere in the body of the text should be at most if anyone deemed necessary.  The current emphasis of it in the intro is utterly ridiculous (refered to a previous edit). -- 75.17.180.70 14:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: I'm thinking that this needs to be moved to University of Notre Dame, as that is the commonly accepted name.  Even the school's website doesn't mention the 'de Lac' part.  It should still be mentioned on the first line, as it is the official name.  Any objections to a move? Xyzzyva 01:13, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
I strongly agree! The school's site does mention the "du Lac" part... but you have to dig down deeply into the "history" section to find it. As a rule, the site consistently calls the school "University of Notre Dame". Dale Arnett 03:55, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  du Lac in page title 

message: I changed the percentage of students self-identifying as Catholics from 93% to 82% -- my information comes from Notre Dame's Office of Undergraduate Admissions: http://admissions.nd.edu/firstyear/statistics.cfm I only say this because it was previously changed from 95% to 85% then to 93%... the 82 figure is verifiable.  Makrina
:Perhaps this year's entering class, but not the student body as a whole.  I go there and upwards of 86% of the undergraduate student body identifies itself as Catholic.
I am a May 2005 graduate, and I can assure you that for the four years of 2001 to 2005 that I attended the University, the percentage of Catholic students was consistantly between 82% and 85%.  Unless you can provide a verifiable source for something in the 90s, it should remain at the University-provided statistic of 82. Makrina 20:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catholic Students 

message: Does anybody know anything about him and why the Alex Wilson Invitational was named after him? Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:26, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The 800, which features many of the nation's best half-milers, is named in honor of Alex Wilson, a former three-time All-America runner at Notre Dame, who later coached the Irish from 1950-72, leading the 1957 cross country squad to the NCAA championship. As a runner, Wilson was undefeated in his career in the quarter-mile and the half-mile, and won two Olympic medals (silver in the 800 meters, bronze in the 400 meters) for his native Canada at the 1932 Games in Los Angeles. He later was inducted into both the Canadian Track Hall of Fame (1954) and Helms Athletic Foundation Hall of Fame (1967), and was tapped as the NCAA Cross Country Coaches Association National Coach of the Year in 1972, before he passed away on Dec. 10, 1994 at the age of 87. - Found this at here. --MrCalifornia 00:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alexander Wilson (athlete)]] 

message: I've ranked the Fan Sites according to their Alexa traffic ratings.
#ndnation (27,665)
#uhnd (58,573)
#blueandgold (360,614)
#irishenvy (2,949,575)
I think irishenvy should probably be removed as it doesn't appear to be very popular, but I'd like a general consensus on what the outer limit should be. Otherwise there are a tens of ND related fan sites that would qualify. Maybe we should just do top 5 or top 3? --MrCalifornia 00:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to WP:EL, only one fine site should be listed; I've trimmed the the list to 3.--mtz206 (talk) 00:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Sites