Talk:Zaporizhzhia

message: I suggested to undo this page move as per simplification of double consonants outlined at Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian. --Irpen 01:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So long as we're consistent. I have problems with some parts of Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian, wherein we assume people can't learn to pronounce Ukrainian properly and simplify shcho to sch. Double consonant produce a specific sound and I am often correcting Ukrainians on their pronounciation. But again, so long as we're consistent here, I'm ok with the move.--tufkaa 16:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. —dima  • talk • sb •  01:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

text: According to the last official transliteration system it must be spelt as Zaporizhzhia with double ZH (there is no simplification for such cases: "3. Транслітерація  прізвищ  та  імен осіб і географічних назв здійснюється шляхом відтворення кожної літери латиницею.")http://zakon1.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/laws/main.cgi?nreg=55-2010-%EF Government Resolution No. 55. Kyiv, 27th January 2010 --Serhii Riabovil (talk) 15:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, There are many such approaches where each letter should by transliterated. It makes name longer, but on the other hand, more correct. In God we trust, the rest we Test! (talk) 15:30, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

text: The process for proposing changes of article names that are likely to be objected to can be found at WP:RM.-- Toddy1 (talk) 03:50, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Double ZH

message: Today, many pages applies to Zaporizhia, but most of this articles haven't :Category:Zaporizhia. So, if you have time, please look all of these articles and add Category:Zaporizhia. --Movses (talk) 11:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many pages exists, but minor of it categorised 

message: On the Francophone page on locks it is mentioned that the locks in this town have the record of highest vertical difference of water level taken in one step ('chute') Is this true? (The 3 Gorges Dam do 114 m with 5 locks) If yes, shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? --Bancki (talk) 08:27, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ship Locks 

message: This statement is wrong :"Vyshnevetsky's fortifications served as a prototype for later Zaporizhian Siches" .   Vyshnevetsky never knew about "Siches", so the fortress could not serve as prototype. 
Few paragraphs below there is mumbling about   "Capital" of Sich. This is absolutely wrong. SIch was paramilitary camp, stronghold and other similar definitions, nothing more
Khortytsia Island never been among of the historic locations of the Zaporizhian Sich . NEVER!
--Zas2000 (talk) 18:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In English, "prototype" means that it served as a model for later works.  The original builder need never have built another or known about subsequent developments for his work to be a "prototype".  Perhaps you should leave the details of English meaning to the English speakers?  --Taivo (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital 

message: This article has been fully protected one week due to edit warring, as reported at Wikipedia:AN3#User:Taivo reported by User:Nipsonanomhmata (Result: Protected). If the discussion here on this talk page leads to an agreement, you could ask at WP:RFUP for the protection to be lifted. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:29, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: Hi Taivo,   would you like to have the  information about Mennonites, specially about Molochansk.
The story about Molochansk proper to keep at the different page exclusively  related to Mennonites.
--Zas2000 00:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mennonites 

message: Dear Movses, Could you give me the information, how many factories were built in Zaporoshie in the 30 th?
What are their names (especially in metallurgy), when they began to run? --Zas2000 14:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Read this. --Movses (talk) 16:14, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: В 1939 г. заводы комбината "Запорожсталь" стали самостоятельными предприятиями с такими названиями...--Movses (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many plants? 

message: zas2000 - an edit you did  put in a sentence that does not make sense.  "At the same time American specialists taught to smelt the ferroalloy production in Kryvoi Rog."  Who was teaching?  Who was being taught?  What were they being taught to smelt?
*Americans taught Russians to make ferroalloys.   Close to the Nikopol city ( not far from the Kryvoi Rog metallurgical plant ) are the manganese mines. which are very important to produce ferroalloys. The Ukrainian Shield  for Ukraine is the same as Canadian Shield for Canada. It gives coal, uranium manganese and other important stuff --zas2000 (talk) 14:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Industrialisation

message: To Toddy1:
"The myth that the Nazi-era German armed forces, the Wehrmacht, was not involved in war crimes persisted for decades after the war. Now two German researchers have destroyed it once and for all. Newly published conversations between German prisoners of war, secretly recorded by the Allies, reveal horrifying details of violence against civilians, rape and genocide."
* http://wissen.spiegel.de/wissen/image/show.html?did=77855742&aref=image048/2011/04/02/CO-SP-2011-014-0042-0049.PDF&thumb=false
* http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,755385,00.html
* http://lenta.ru/articles/2011/04/19/soldaten/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zas2000 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wehrmacht soldier is Nazi? 

message: von Manstein's book only mentions the big Dnieper railway bridge.  He does not mention a second railway bridge.  You have added a claim that the Germans "demolished two railway bridges again".  We need a citation for the claim that the Germans demolished a second railway bridge.--Toddy1 (talk) 12:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Railway bridges

message: Makhno is nothing compare to her.--zas2000 (talk) 16:25, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the reference.  I wish that the article on her had good in-line citations.  Because it does not, merely translating the article would not produce a good defensible article for English Wikipedia.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Никифорова, Мария Григорьевна

message: I mean city Bryansk,  the  Bryansk joint-stock company  probably  originally from this city--zas2000 (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sure that the Bryansk joint-stock company did business in Bryansk, just as Lonrho did business in London and Rhodesia.  But with company names, you link to the company, not the name of a place in the city name.  In any case the manufacturing was not done in Bryansk; it was done in Yekaterinoslav/Dnepropetrovsk.--Toddy1 (talk) 11:30, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bryansk joint-stock company 

message: For people who might be interested: I just created a Wikipedia article about the city's mayor Oleksandr Sin. Feel free to contribute to it. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, my geography school teacher was a wife of Alexandr Sin :-) --Movses (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just out of curiosity... She is also Korean? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

text: No, no, she is slavic (Russian or Ukrainian - I don't know). Another curiosity for me it's link to interview between Sin and journalist Sergey Sidorov, because Sergey my off-line friend :-) --Movses (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mayor of Zaporizhia 

message: Taivo - which is the correct English name for the first railway bridge over the Dnieper at Alexandrovsk: the "Kichkas bridge" or the "Kichkassky bridge"?  Source: monograph on the history of the city's bridges.
Whichever the name is better, I think the article should use only one version - not one in one place and one in another as present.--Toddy1 (talk) 05:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In English, it's called "Kichkas Bridge" as here.  Per WP:COMMON, common English usage takes precedence, so it should be Kichkas in the article.  --Taivo (talk) 07:39, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Kichkas/Kichkassky bridge

message: I suspect that it would be better to have the geography section immediately after the introduction.  This would allow the user to be introduced to the island, the rapids that used to exist before the hydro-electric dam, the issue of the city being built on the left bank, the names of the branches of the river either side of the island, etc.
As it is, some of these things have had to be explained in the history section so that people can understand the history.
*Let's try  --zas2000 (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No there is not a reference in the article.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want this stuff about the Ukrainian Shield, you need to put it in with citations, and put it in so that it makes sense to normal people - this is not a page on geology - so it has got to make sense to nongeologists.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:52, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Great - then there must be references to it in books or articles.  Please cite some.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Geography section

message: This is not an acceptable reference:
:http://synthart.livejournal.com/87884.html Here you may get the additional information about SotsGorod and pictures of the city buildings and plan of the District #6
Please format the reference properly, saying title, author, etc.  I am not your copy editor.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes blogs like livejournal are not alowed on wikipedia even if they look like they have been written by people who seem experts. see WP:BLOGS; they problem is that because somebody looks an expert they could still be somebody who enjoys telling lies.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:32, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not an acceptable reference

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message: There seems to be some disagreement over the caption to the collage.
*When the collage was created, User:DDima put a description in the collage file as follows:  "Collage of Zaporizhia in Ukraine. Top, left to right: Bridge crossing the Dnieper River; Lenin Prospect as seen from Lenin Square; Dnieper River in Zaporizhia; Slavutych-Arena football stadium; Zaporizhia Oblast Administration building."
*The photo he used as top right was :File:Запорожье 9100219.jpg.  This was taken by Mixabest and did not have a caption in it.  But the file is used on both Russian and Ukrainian language Wipedias :ru:Ленинский_район_Запорожья, :ru:Ленінський район (Запоріжжя), :uk:Проспект Леніна (Запоріжжя) where it is described as "Проспект Леніна" (which translates into English as either Lenin Avenue or Prospekt Lenina).
*On 3 October an IP editor from Japan added a caption describing the top right hand photo as "Mayakovskogo Street".
*On 21 October an IP editor from Posen (Poland) changed the caption describing the top right hand photo as "Town's Gate".
It seems most likely that the creator of the collage and also Russian and Ukrainian Wikipedias know which street is shown in the top right hand photo, so I have changed the caption to say "Lenin Avenue" (though I was strongly tempted to write Prospekt Lenina).  If it really does show another street, please present evidence here.--Toddy1 (talk) 16:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The collage and its caption

message: To Toddy1: 
В результате вашего редактирования пропала интересная и полезная информация  о Кичкаской переправе:
* Мост назван по имени  древнейшей переправы, существовавшей со  скифских времен
* Мост построили сразу после последнего из порогов
* Кичкаский мост был первым железнодорожным мостом в нижнем течении Днепра и находился в 10-14 км от города, т.е находился вне городской черты
*  Причем здесь коммунистическая революция? Революция  была через десять лет после окончания строительства моста, с какой целью вы о ней пишите? 
* Мост связал Никопольское железно-никилевое местрождение с Донецким углем. --zas2000 (talk) 03:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It is difficult to edit Wikipedia in a language you can only read using translation software.  The bridge is important in the history of the city of Alexandrovsk, because it led to the industrial growth of the city in the period after the bridge was completed.--Toddy1 (talk) 07:49, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferry+Bridge 

message: The article states that "The war (World War II) between the USSR and Germany began on 22 June 1941.".  No, World War II did not start in 1941.  World War II started in 1939 when Germany and the Soviet Union attacked Poland together.  What happened on June 22 1941 was that the Soviet Union was forced to change side in World War II, from then on fighting against their former cooperation partner Germany. 
Joreberg (talk) 21:35, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: But the war between the USSR and Germany started on 22 June 1941.  Before that the USSR was Germany's most important ally.  (And territory annexed as a result of the alliance with Hitler is still occupied by Belarus and Ukraine (formerly the Belarussian and Ukrainian SSRs.)  However, if you can think of a better way of wording it, please suggest a wording here.--Toddy1 (talk) 22:05, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II did not start in 1941 

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message: An editor deleted https://web.archive.org/web/20060523084750/http://www.meria.zp.ua/ from the infobox template from the article on :Zaporizhia.  As there was no edit summary, I assumed that it was an accident.-- Toddy1 (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website link in the infobox template 

message: We would like to ask to correct the transliteration of the city name.
Argumentation:
In accordance with the decision of the executive committee of the Zaporizhzhya City Council, dated August 28, 2017, No.476, the transliteration of the spelling of the geographical name of the city of Zaporizhzhia on maps and other publications in Latin was approved as - "Zaporizhzhia" , in accordance with the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dated January 27, 2010 N 55 "On the ordering of transliteration of the Ukrainian alphabet in Latin "(which is valid). 
Unfortunately, my editing has been rejected. 
At this time, mistakes occur oftenly while using the Latin name of the city. I consider it would be appropriate to prescribe the correct name of the city in English in the article. 
Thank you for your time  
https://zaporizhzhia.city/enВласова Альона (talk) 13:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The opinion or decrees of the Zaphorizhia City Council don't matter in the English Wikipedia per Wikipedia policies.  All that matters is English common usage--the placename that is used in English, not Ukrainian or Ukrainian transliteration.  You must prove that a majority of reliable sources from the English-speaking world (not English language materials published in Ukraine) are using anything other than Zaporizhia.  Wikipedia is not prescriptive, but descriptive.  --Taivo (talk) 15:15, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

text: I agree with Taivo. Please read WP:COMMONNAME  and Wikipedia:Official names to understand that English Wikipedia chooses its article titles and spellings by how that subject is most frequently written in English. Thus, French Wikipedia will have an article about London, but it will be written as Londres, because that is how the French refer to the English city where I was born. Whilst Zaporizhzhia may have changed its own spelling in its own tongue, that may not be reflected on Wikipedia by an immediate change of spelling. We would have to wait until the majority of Reliable Sources start to refer to it in that way. That said, it's quite OK to mention the formalisation of regional spelling in the article itself...just please don't keep trying to change the spelling throughout the article until such time as there is a consensus (agreement) to do so. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:37, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Per Taivo and Nick Moyes, we follow WP:COMMONNAME. The city council are merely replicating the Ukrainian transliteration which happens to be spelt with a double 'жж / zhzh'. This has nothing to do with the long used English language variation, and is highly unlikely to do so. Whatever 'mistakes are made' regularly, unaccepted conventions for the spelling aren't going to resolve them. Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zaporizhzhia 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 04:18, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  The first non-wiki google hit for 'zaporizhia' hardly shows wp:commonname not to mention it's not exactly a wp:reliable source for wp:place names. blindlynx (talk) 11:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 14 October 2020 

message: Could someone (perhaps User:Mzajac) please verify that the referenced sources really say Hebrew was the native language of portions of the population in the past? It seems implausible. Might the language concerned be Yiddish, spoken by a "Hebrew" (meaning Jewish, in this context) section of the population? Thanks and best wishes -- --Frans Fowler (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1897 census source says evreĭskiĭ iazyk (Ru.), which I believe means literally “Jewish language,” not Yiddish (Idish) nor Hebrew (Ivrit). The other sources are not immediately available, but elsewhere I see that the 2001 and 1989 census results list yevrei (Ukr. “Jews”) and “language of own nationality,” without naming either language. So the safest label might be “Jewish language,” which sounds odd, or “Yiddish or Hebrew.” Historically, Yiddish-language papers were published in Ukraine, so I speculate that just “Yiddish” is reasonable. I believe devout Jews would all read Hebrew and it may be considered their native language, but I have no idea how much it was used outside synagogue (and the census-takers didn’t record such distinctions anyway). —Michael Z. 03:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Michael. In my limited understanding, Hebrew was a dead language except in religious contexts till it was revived by Zionist settlers in Palestine, and the likelihood is that Jews in Ukraine spoke Yiddish outside the shul. I am changing it, and I just hope that's right. --- Frans Fowler (talk) 14:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  A fine distinction: these Russian, Soviet, and Ukrainian census results are normally labelled “native language” (Uk. ridna mova or Ru. rodnoĭ yazyk), and are sometimes interpreted by respondents as ancestral language, childhood language, or something else, and not necessarily even fluently spoken by them. In interpreting older censuses they serve as a proxy for ethnic identity. Most Ukrainians are bilingual, for example, but censuses (latest in 2001) only asked for one native language. Pretty sure most historical Yiddish-speakers would know one or more other languages too. And I imagine by 1989 or 2001 it might might include Hebrew as well. —Michael Z. 17:44, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics: Language: Hebrew? 

message: The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Zaporizhzhia. Thoughts? -- M2545 (talk) 10:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposed 

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message: Pls change Dnieper river to ukrainian version - Dnipro river 176.115.13.139 (talk) 08:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dnieper to Dnipro river 

message: Any reference to “Dnieper” is using the disgusting bastardized russian (lowercase intentional) transliteration of a place-name located within the territory of the free, independent, sovereign nation of Ukraine. It should be replaced with “Dnipro” throughout this article and elsewhere on Wikipedia. After nearly nine months of russian fascists torturing, raping, murdering, and mutilating Ukrainian children, women, elderly, and soldiers, it is shameful to still use the putrid language of the terrorist invaders. 2607:FEA8:7A20:AF50:1DE6:6E22:877B:FA6D (talk) 20:26, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See WP:COMMONNAME and maybe Talk:Dnieper Cannolis (talk) 21:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2022 

message: "Zaporizhzhia is known for the historic island of Khortytsia; multiple power stations including Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (the largest nuclear power station in Europe)" - Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant is in the oblast, but not the city of Zaporizhzhia.  And even if it were, I'm not sure why that detail would be important enough for the lead.
Please remove the entire paragraph; "nothing" is better than the low-quality content of that paragraph. 217.180.228.188 (talk) 22:32, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Lemonaka (talk) 16:59, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed these details. It is clear that two of the power plants are in Enerhodar, 60km away, so not relevant in the lead of an article on the city itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:56, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request: Nuclear Plant in Lede 

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message: I suggest to replace
Further information: Russian occupation of Zaporizhzhia Oblast with Further information:2022 bombing of Zaporizhzhia because city is not occupied, so current article for further reading is not relevant. Zemleroika11 (talk) 05:15, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I added the second link instead of replacing, since the two articles now cover Zaporizhzhia in two phases of the war.  —Michael Z. 21:27, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Oops, quite right. Fixed.  —Michael Z. 00:23, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request: Replace link in Russian invasion (2022) section 

message: Please, add logo which is saved on Commons as :File:Емблема (логотип) Запоріжжя.png. Here's a link to the city's official website, which confirms the version of the logo: . --Keneris☎ 14:40, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request: Add logo in Infobox 

message: Add literal translation for the Ukrainian word Запоріжжя on the top, “Beyond the rapids” PoisonHK (talk) 17:55, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 June 2023