Talk:Order of Saint Stanislaus

message: There is a terrible chaos in this article. It has to be split up in two different ones - one pertaining to the historical Order of St.Stanislas and another one dealing with the present one. I shall see if I could do it.
--Alexvonf 09:26, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Shouldn't the geocities.com link be removed?  Sites such as angelfire, geocities, and the like generally do not meet our standards for reliable sources.  Also, might someone be able to assist in the expansion of the Juliusz Nowina-Sokolnicki article using quality sources as well?  Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:20, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geocities links

message: As long as people use perjoratives, and Wikipedia allows non-subjective and slanderous terms such as "self-styled," "illegal" or "illigitimate" concerning Mr. Juliusz Nowina-Sokolnicki there can be no claim of neutrality or objectivity by Wikipedia or its "contributors."
"Self-styled" and  "illegal" is not perojative, it is clearly objective statement about validity of Mr. Nowina-Sokolnicky.Yopie 23:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Objectivity, Just Opinion 

message: (quote)
=== Order Now ===
The Order of Saint Stanislas, one of the true, great and historic orders of chivalry, was founded by the last native King of Poland, Stanislas Augustus Poniatowski on May 8th 1765.
The Order of St. Stanislas is based on the principles espoused by the Polish Martyr Bishop, and Patron Saint of Poland for whom our Order was named. The principles we are sworn to uphold require us to give very careful consideration to any decision that might impact on others. The decisions we make, individually and collectively, are a great importance, because they help decide the future direction of our world. 
The Order is made up of honourable men and women of all Christian faiths, Judaism and Islam; who believe in one Almighty God, and share a common concern for their fellow man. The Order itself reflects chivalry in its' purest form; that is "people helping people", the strong helping the weak and those with the skills, knowledge and finance helping the less fortunate in todays turbulent world.
====External links====
 * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/  (European Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.swstanislaw.ws/  (Polish-Mazovian Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/komandoria-DL.htm (Polish -Lower Silesia Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.geocities.com/osts_canada/ (the OStS in Canada)
 * http://www.sanestanislao.org/     (the OStS in Spain)
 * http://www.angelfire.com/realm/StStanislas/  (the Order in USA)
 * http://www.saintstanislas.com/index.html (the OStS in New Zeland)  
(unquote)
First of all this material looks like copyvio from other websites. Secondly, the paragraph makes the ordinary reader believe that the so-called order outside of Poland / Russia is recognized, which is not the case. According to positions of both Poland and Russia, the Order of St. Stanislas ceased to exist in 1917. Salvage whatever anybody can, but it needs to be absolutely clear what information relates to the historical and recognized order and what information relates to the current so-called "order". Secondly, it was a very bad idea to split out virtually identical pages about the later inventions. This material should be reintegrated into the main article text.Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, it might be better to simply translate the page from one of the other wikis. The other wikis seem to have treated this material better. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon material moved from article space 

message: The Order of Saint Stanislas, one of the true, great and historic orders of chivalry, was founded by the last native King of Poland, Stanislas Augustus Poniatowski on May 8th 1765.
The Order of St. Stanislas is based on the principles espoused by the Polish Martyr Bishop, and Patron Saint of Poland for whom our Order was named. The principles we are sworn to uphold require us to give very careful consideration to any decision that might impact on others. The decisions we make, individually and collectively, are a great importance, because they help decide the future direction of our world. 
The Order is made up of honourable men and women of all Christian faiths, Judaism and Islam; who believe in one Almighty God, and share a common concern for their fellow man. The Order itself reflects chivalry in its' purest form; that is "people helping people", the strong helping the weak and those with the skills, knowledge and finance helping the less fortunate in todays turbulent world.
====External links====
 * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/  (European Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.swstanislaw.ws/  (Polish-Mazovian Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/komandoria-DL.htm (Polish -Lower Silesia Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.geocities.com/osts_canada/ (the OStS in Canada)
 * http://www.sanestanislao.org/     (the OStS in Spain)
 * http://www.angelfire.com/realm/StStanislas/  (the Order in USA)
 * http://www.saintstanislas.com/index.html (the OStS in New Zeland)  
(unquote)
First of all this material looks like copyvio from other websites. Secondly, the paragraph makes the ordinary reader believe that the so-called order outside of Poland / Russia is recognized, which is not the case. According to positions of both Poland and Russia, the Order of St. Stanislas ceased to exist in 1917. Salvage whatever anybody can, but it needs to be absolutely clear what information relates to the historical and recognized order and what information relates to the current so-called "order". Secondly, it was a very bad idea to split out virtually identical pages about the later inventions. This material should be reintegrated into the main article text.Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, it might be better to simply translate the page from one of the other wikis. The other wikis seem to have treated this material better. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order Now 

message: * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/  (European Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.swstanislaw.ws/  (Polish-Mazovian Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.order-sw-stanislaw.eu/komandoria-DL.htm (Polish -Lower Silesia Homepage of the OStS)
 * http://www.geocities.com/osts_canada/ (the OStS in Canada)
 * http://www.sanestanislao.org/     (the OStS in Spain)
 * http://www.angelfire.com/realm/StStanislas/  (the Order in USA)
 * http://www.saintstanislas.com/index.html (the OStS in New Zeland)  
(unquote)
First of all this material looks like copyvio from other websites. Secondly, the paragraph makes the ordinary reader believe that the so-called order outside of Poland / Russia is recognized, which is not the case. According to positions of both Poland and Russia, the Order of St. Stanislas ceased to exist in 1917. Salvage whatever anybody can, but it needs to be absolutely clear what information relates to the historical and recognized order and what information relates to the current so-called "order". Secondly, it was a very bad idea to split out virtually identical pages about the later inventions. This material should be reintegrated into the main article text.Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, it might be better to simply translate the page from one of the other wikis. The other wikis seem to have treated this material better. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 10:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: This article on the history of the Order of St. Stanislas represents a balance between warring factions within and outside the various Orders.  This article has been at equilibrium for some time and any effort to modify it will only spark another futile "edit war" which will result in the article being protected.  Another "edit war" will be inevitable if this article is modified and that helps no one. All parties concerned are satisfied (if not happy) with these divisions as they are.  These current divisions are the result of a great deal of trouble and foment.  I suggest in the strongest terms possible that this article be left in its current state.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.188.116.9 (talk • contribs) 
Articles should be left "as is" since the temptation for abuse on this subject is seemingly irresistible.  We have all seen how “neutral” people seem to be on this subject and at present there has not been much vandalism to these separate pages so why alter a system that works?  If people are interested the information is one mouse click away.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.100.7 (talk • contribs) 
:Vandalism is not a good argument for having five articles on the same subject. The orders awarded by Poland-Lithuania had official status, so had the orders awarded by Imperial Russia. All creations since 1917 have no official status and separate articles only help reinforcing such myths. They can all be mentioned in a paragraph stating that they exist, also mentioning the creation from Italy. This paragraph should say that they don't recognize each other and that official Poland / Russia don't recognize any of them either. Both the German, Polish and Russian Wikipedias have one article only describing all variants. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 09:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leave it as it is 

message: 700px|Grand Master of the Order of Saint Stanislaus Juliusz Nowina-Sokolnicki(JN-S - right)
Chev. Juliusz count Nowina-Sokolnicki - right.
In left Dr Norbert Wojtowicz - author "Praemiando incitat - Order Świętego Stanisława" (2007).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ETFTE (talk • contribs) 09:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grand Master of the Order of Saint Stanislaus Chev. [[Juliusz Nowina-Sokolnicki]] 

message: http://www.chivalricorders.org/orders/self-styled/slfstlod.htm
Stair Sainty is a rather reliable and objective source on all things noble and decorative - his view on this "order" is rather uncompromising....77.1.251.153 (talk) 21:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stair Sainty 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Order of Saint Stanislaus's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Duren":
From International Order of Saint Stanislaus: 
From Fount of honour: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Order of Saint Stanislaus]]