Talk:Cardcaptor Sakura/Archive 1

message: Can users try to shed light on the UK/Austrila dub please as the arctle and links seem baised towards the orginal and US versions (in a way that the other dubs are obscure). I will post some links soon. -Dynamo_ace
I have made the amendments, please wikify the changes and comment on the ammendments here, thank you--Dynamo_ace 15:45, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
I know we are trying to put up an episode guide like in other animation articles but the senstivtiy of the anime (due to poor distabuation etc.) could render this article baised without anyone knowing. Lets just keep a Japanesse episode guide up for now until there has been full research and understanding into the english dub.
Even so, if we did an english dub episode list, we would have to do the same for other natinaoltys which could overload the page, so i suggest we don't include one at all. -Dynamo_ace Talk  29th December 2005
:The other option would be seperate articles for Cardcaptor Sakura and Cardcaptors.. Shiroi Hane 18:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  English dub 

message: Referring to User:Melesse's change, does "Characters" really need to be separated out into its own page? I know the characters list is long, but I don't think it particularly warrants separating out. Would you mind if I moved it back to how it was? --Jonathan Drain 01:56, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually an Osakan dilect could be intrpreted as the equivlant of a US Southern Accent in anime or a New York accent in manga. My eyes see all 17:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CCS Characters? 

message: Vandlism corrected on 20:16 (GMT) 20 september 2005. Vandal's intentions are to possbliy flame CC and degrade article. Can the vandal please do his\her homework!--Dynamo_ace 19:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass vandalism 

message: Any chance we could have some sort of consensus on this? Shiroi Hane 07:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of which, what about Clow Read/Clow Reed?Michael Hopcroft 10:44, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Touya/Toya/Tōya 

message: Assuming it's not just my browser, something seems to have gone wrong with the romaji (pinyin?) entries for Syaoran, Yue and Meiling. Shiroi Hane 23:29, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Names 

message: The article is looking rather long.  May I make a suggest that CCS takes a page from the X/1999 page and set up a new page for the characters? 24.81.147.137 06:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character Page 

message: Okay, I want to try something out.  I understand Dynamo_ace's point that perhaps this article should pay a little more attention to Cardcaptors.  It could in one way be viewed as a separate show almost.  But in any case, I think that more information should be given about it than just "compared to CCS, Cardcaptors is _____."  So I spread out the information in the Cardcaptors section a little bit, making the positive part of the section a little more visible.
And I'm experimenting with adding a Plot Synopsis section specifically for the dub.  I'm not sure if that's the best idea or if a "Plot Differences" section would be best.  I'd rather go with the synopsis, since more dub-specific information can be included there.  (Like the "Expect the unexpected" quote.  I think that's an important part of the dub.)  But I don't want to repeat myself since the major card capturing plot is essentially the same as in the Japanese version.  ..So I wrote a little stub for now, and if you guys like it, I'll expand it.  But if not, we'll find another way.
--Crisu 23:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Experimentation with ''Cardcaptors'' info and synopsis 

message: Cardcaptors did air on Toonami.  It was very brief--maybe four or six weeks over the summer--so I suppose people who missed it would never know it was there.  I remember watching it on TV firsthand (and upset that the American dub made its way to Toonami), too.
Here: http://dl.toonamiarsenal.com/download.php?site=tda&fid=000223
It's a .mov file from here: http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/main.php
P.S. Can some of this old discussion be archived or deleted?  The page is getting kind of long and superfluous.  Except for the Touya/Toya issue, some of the other topics have been addressed already. --Crisu 03:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Around what date was it aired? The League of Crazy Men 09:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to the video, Toonami began airing it on 4 June, and the year was 2001.  I just edited the main article to reflect some information that's on the CCS media information article.  I should get around to synchronizing those two articles.  --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: my bad, sorry. -- Ned Scott 10:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's cool.  ^_^  At least the promo made the show look good, I guess.  --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I actually first got into Cardcaptors through the airing on Toonami (was much more convenient for me to catch it in the afternoon than in the morning), so I can definitely back up its existence, short as it was. It was only the first 17 episodes in the WB order, and they went through them twice I think (or maybe just once, my memory not totally clear) I went straight to collecting CCS after that and avoided seeing any of the later episodes of the Cardcaptors adaptation. EmperorBrandon 14:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, Shiroi Hane, for the talk page adjustment! --Crisu 13:45, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cardcaptors on Toonami 

message: Asking for everyone's opinion on the Purachina article.  It's been isolated for a while, and I haven't decided whether I should list it for deletion or not.  The article currently doesn't say much, and I don't know if it could be made into something notable.  As far as CCS is concerned, it's just an opening theme.  So if it could be salvaged primarily as a Maaya Sakamoto single, then that'd be good.  --Crisu 06:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noting that the article was deleted per AfD, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Purachina -- Ned Scott 06:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purachina 

message: The E&T Pairing article is another one I'd really like to get rid of, but that just might be my slightly biased opinion alone.  Since it has a generally small fanbase, I don't know if it should be included in the template (see below) or well.. even kept alive.  Same thing with the Purachina article.  --Crisu 17:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is now AfD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/E%26T_Pairing --Crisu 13:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  E&T Pairing 

message: In response to the need for a cleanup on the links section to this article, i have done a quick audit on what could stay and what should be removed.
* Card Captor Sakura at the Open Directory Project (http://dmoz.org/Arts/Animation/Anime/Titles/C/Card_Captor_Sakura/) - contains sites which have false or baised infomation. Recomand a better DMOZ link or removal.
* On-line Card Captor Sakura encyclopedia (http://www.usagi.org/~doi/sakura/) - despite some unusual entries this site is good enough and unbaised enough to be accepted.
* Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) - This is not a CCS site and should be removed.
* Card Captor Science Theater 3000 (http://cardcaptor_schlueter.tripod.com/) - Its OK for what it is supposed to be
* Cardcaptor Sakura Lyrics & Translations (http://freckle.tenkeimedia.com/nl/ccs/index.html) - Acceptable refrence site
* SLG CCS Network (http://www.suppi.net/slg/) - This is a flame site and should be removed.
* Kawaii Sakura Shrine (http://kss.mysticalaura.com/) - Site is acceptable
* Cherry Blossom festival (http://www.strictlyshoujo.com/cardcaptor/) - Contains a flame article, effectivly making it a flame site.
* Michael's Cardcaptors (http://www.michaelsfavorites.com/home1.html) - Good neutral site, though latest distubation infomation might be misleading.
* Sakura's BME clinic (http://sakurabme.com/en)
I would like to say that this website: * Clow Legacy (http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/) is a Cardcaptor Sakura site because there's a section for Cardcaptor Sakura and it is right here. 
(http://www.tsubasachronicle.net/ccs/)Samantha Lim88 13:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Only official sites are accepted.  TsubasaChronicle.net is not an official site, so it does not belong in the article. Jezebel Parks 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article link audit 

message: I realize the article has an unsited sources notice, but this line really bothers me:
Due in part to its animation and characterization, Cardcaptor Sakura has a wide fanbase on the Internet, particularly in the yaoi, shōjo, yuri and lolicon fandom.
I worry that the inclusion of lolicon, a small subset of anime fandom, may turn people off to the show and give the wrong impression, especially mentioning it in the first section. My understanding was that the anime in particular was targeted at children, and I know the show has been recommended in the past for younger viewers outside of Japan as well. A similar show, Pretty Cure, which has a yuri/lolicon fanbase makes no mention of this at all. In conclusion, is there a source for this? 69.12.130.233 09:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would remove that line entirely. A lot of series have gained a lolicon/yuri/yaoi/etc fanbase, but that hardly represents encyclopedic information on the series itself. I don't think the sexual inclinations of some fans bear mentioning when introducing a children's show. --80.182.93.115 14:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: agreed, but not because it's a kids show, but because any cute moe girl can be a target for lolificiation. Although, pedobear still approves. -- Ned Scott 04:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of lolicon 

message: This page has disappeared and been replaced with a message that says "Hinomaru" and a picture of the Japanese flag-- I'm assuming no one will be bothered if I attempt to restore the page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma (talk • contribs) 02:21, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like you've got it under control, thanks. -- Ned Scott 04:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whaaat? 

message: Okay, I just copied and pasted the last version before this one into the edit-- should be okay now. If anyone takes issue, fixing it further would probably be the best course of action. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJSoulma (talk • contribs).
:Looks like you've got it under control, thanks. -- Ned Scott 04:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixed 

message: Right now we don't have a lot of real world info, but we actually have tons of it available. There's tons of articles, interviews, reviews, etc about CCS, and about individual characters and concepts. Normally I'd suggest cutting a lot of "plot only stuff", but I think it will all be justified once we get some of the real-world/reception/etc information in these articles. I think we should start to compile a list of sources for this content on the talk page, anything you can find, interviews, commentary, etc. We've got some great articles here, and it's time we made them even better. -- Ned Scott 05:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real world info 

message: I have noticed a total absence in the main series article of discussions of the prominent themes of the seres -- concepts like "The One You Like Best" and how much of the series (especially Volume 12 of the manga) seems to revolve around the questiom of what love is and how many different forms it takes. On one hand, this would be a great help in placing the series within its context, but since it is as much literary cirtiicsm as statement of fact one wonders whether it would be considered encyclopedic enough. (I've run into trouble on that before). So I would like some guidance. Michael Hopcroft 03:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Such an addition would be considered original research and therefore should be avoided, as original research or one's personal opinions should not be added to articles. ···巌流? · Talk to Ganryuu 09:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thematic Questions -- How Encyclopedic? 

message: There is one thing I don't understand - some time ago, I had made the licensor entries in the infobox, and for some reason they have been removed.  Why the heck is this?  The entry 'licensor' is a valid entry and all I want is to place it.  So why are the entries of the licensors - Geneon and Nelvana - continually removed when they belond in the infobox? Elwin Blaine Coldiron 02:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was just some minor confusion. The editor who removed it thought the licensor entry only applied to Cardcaptors, an edited version of CCS, but it applies to both. I've restored the edit. -- Ned Scott 06:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Licensors - why are they removed? 

message: Where shall I put the information? I'm not quite sure...
Samantha Lim88 13:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, good question.. How many of such books are there? -- Ned Scott 01:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CCS artbooks and related ones... 

message: There used to be a reference to the video diaries on the first page; now that it's been removed its difficult to find out how many mini-omake (and audio-only drama CDS) were released on CD's.  Could someone find the old article (I assume this list has been moved to another page), and post a hyperlink somewhere on the first page.  (I think posting it right after the last Sakura arc would do well, but don't put it under the soundtrack page without making a reference to it it on the main Article page, since that'll just confuse readers.)  --Charizardpal 00:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, I almost forgot about those. Interestingly enough, they're not included on the DVDs, but I have seen them before. -- Ned Scott 03:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lost Video Diaries 

message: Their names appear on the cast of Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie, where they are listed for dubbing credits. Here the page: Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie on Imdb. I'm pretty sure they can be considered part of the canon, but you can discuss it here. --85.18.136.105 10:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaoran's sisters 

message: I must insist on gathering more information about the two movies, perhaps even creating a new page for them. Thank you.
:I can supply more information if needed. P.S. don't forget to sign post.Jeffrey G. Conflict 2552 Producer 16:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The movies are not notable enough to have their own pages. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It wouldn't surprise me if we had enough information to justify some "sub articles" for the movies, but all they would be at this point is plot summaries. -- Ned Scott 02:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There actual are articles for both movies, and all they contain are very long plot summaries. AnmaFinotera (talk) 02:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOVIES INFO 

message: It was proposed in February that the media list and Cardcaptors be merged back into the articles. No discussion was every started here, though informal consensus in the project is that the merges will be done. If anyone else wishes to weigh in, please do so, or the merges will be done soon. These merges are highly appropriate as the current splits go against our MoS and do not lend themselves to well formed articles. This is also in keeping with what the project is currently doing in other similar articles, with the most recent example being Tokyo Mew Mew, which has undergone two similar merges and is of a very similar nature in terms of issues with with English release and bad article formats as Cardcaptor Sakura is. AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely and 100% agree. If no one gets to it, CCS is on my list to deal with after I finish Tokyo Mew Mew, both of which had a lot of similar issues (including unnecessary split of English dub and original, had no main character, etc.). Certainly wouldn't mind help if anyone wants to start some of the initial work. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got nothing against a character list, however, if we're talking about making 'merges' I want it to be perfectly clear that the character pages themselves should stay, at least for the major characters. Several other series have both a character list in addition to individual character pages (including Tokyo Mew Mew mentioned by AnmaFinotera), and I see no reason why CCS should not be able to do the same. 3loodlust (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not saying there is no room for individual character articles. I understand perfectly well the need for individual articles covering the main characters in a series – however, this is contingent on the existence of sufficient verifiable real-world information from reliable sources. I haven't actually looked at any of the articles (I don't usually have sufficient time for that type of stuff), so I couldn't say whether any of the main CCS character articles could survive an AfD, which these are certainly ripe for. It's perfectly fine to merge all the pages into a single list, clean up, expand, and source the information, and then break out the information for those major characters that have enough. —Dinoguy1000 22:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Tokyo Mew Mew only has some for a short while longer. All are being merged in. However, as Dino has noted, for CCS it is highly likely that Sakura, if none of the others, are very likely to able to meet WP:FICT. Some, however, it is very clear will never meet WP:FICT and just be straight merged. For the rest, we can either merge, then look for break outs, or in the case of Sakura, leave out and tag for notability with a note that it needs to be brought up to snuff. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges 

message: Cardcaptor Sakura has a ridiculous number of character articles – 22, and those are just the ones the Navbox links to (though I don't actually know if there are any others) – but no central character list. These pages really need to be merged, if anyone wants to undertake the job. —Dinoguy1000 18:00, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely and 100% agree. If no one gets to it, CCS is on my list to deal with after I finish Tokyo Mew Mew, both of which had a lot of similar issues (including unnecessary split of English dub and original, had no main character, etc.). Certainly wouldn't mind help if anyone wants to start some of the initial work. AnmaFinotera (talk) 18:55, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got nothing against a character list, however, if we're talking about making 'merges' I want it to be perfectly clear that the character pages themselves should stay, at least for the major characters. Several other series have both a character list in addition to individual character pages (including Tokyo Mew Mew mentioned by AnmaFinotera), and I see no reason why CCS should not be able to do the same. 3loodlust (talk) 20:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me make it perfectly clear that I am not saying there is no room for individual character articles. I understand perfectly well the need for individual articles covering the main characters in a series – however, this is contingent on the existence of sufficient verifiable real-world information from reliable sources. I haven't actually looked at any of the articles (I don't usually have sufficient time for that type of stuff), so I couldn't say whether any of the main CCS character articles could survive an AfD, which these are certainly ripe for. It's perfectly fine to merge all the pages into a single list, clean up, expand, and source the information, and then break out the information for those major characters that have enough. —Dinoguy1000 22:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Tokyo Mew Mew only has some for a short while longer. All are being merged in. However, as Dino has noted, for CCS it is highly likely that Sakura, if none of the others, are very likely to able to meet WP:FICT. Some, however, it is very clear will never meet WP:FICT and just be straight merged. For the rest, we can either merge, then look for break outs, or in the case of Sakura, leave out and tag for notability with a note that it needs to be brought up to snuff. AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:34, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: I know Wikipedia is all "we luv spoilers" these days, but I strongly feel that it's inappropriate to have such a huge spoiler as Yue's true identity revealed in the chart of characters, which is a part of the article readers should expect to be able to read without having anything spoiled for them. Therefore instead of "Yue (Yukito)" as it was, I've moved Yukito to the "other characters" section. 91.107.148.232 (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to have to agree on this decision because through out the entire series he plays his own part in the show.Jeffrey G. Conflict 2552 Producer 16:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It will be undone. It is not appropriate decision at all. We do not hide spoilers, period. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's silly, they are sperate people after all. I personally think it's silly that Wiki changed their stance on spoilers since most spoilers can make or break a person's experience with a show.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.173.87.160 (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they are not "separate people" and it is a very important point of the story. If people don't want to be spoiled, they shouldn't be reading about the series on websites, especially not an encyclopedia. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: AnmaFinotera is right; by looking up the information in an encyclopedia, they’re consenting to any spoilers that may be found there. As for the other comments, is this really the place to debate whether or not Yue and Yukito are separate? I think that discussion should take place on one of their respective talk pages.-3loodlust (talk) 16:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Its been discussed as part of the discussion of merging Yue and Yukito's pages. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yue 

message: I believe the article Cerberus (Cardcaptor Sakura) needs to be renamed to use the official English name of Keroberos, as per our MoS. Kero is named Keroberos in both the English release manga by Tokyopop and the Geneon anime releases. He is also named Keroberos in the Cardcaptors dub. This, to me, is overwhelming support for using Keroberos for the article name. Google hits also support that Keroberos is the most commonly used name, with nearly 17500 hits for Keroberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" versus 12400 for Cerberus "Cardcaptor Sakura" and 821 for Kerberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" I can see no real reason or purpose for using Cerberus except to try to tie it to the Greek mythology (currently unsourced theory in the main article).  If the article is renamed, of course all instances with in the CCS articles should also be fixed. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the statement from the article that "The older TOKYOPOP releases of the manga render his name as 'Keroberos,' but this was changed in later printings to 'Cerberus.'" is true, then that would be a good sign that it was a translation error they later corrected. --erachima talk 20:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to see a source on that, since I have the last printings of the series and it uses Keroberos throughout. The only other places I see making such a claim is TV.com from the user edited section, which is word from word from ours so someone pasted from one to the other. Nothing on the Tokyopop supports the claim, as they use Kero when referring to him in descriptions and no press releases about "fixing the name" in the reissue. Seems like nothing but fan rumor to me. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true that in the original Tokyopop release the name was spelled differently, however in recent printings, numerous additions have been made "to better reflect CLAMP's intentions" including changing the name's spelling to 'Cerberus'. Also, while the spelling could be changed to 'Kerberos' and still be technically correct, the spelling 'Keroberos' is not accurate. The katakana of the characters name in the original release in Japan is [].Additionally, the claim that 'Keroberos' is the most recognized spelling due to the results of a search engine holds little water. The same test using a different search engine (Ask.com) showed 'Cerberus as the most common spelling with Cerberus "Cardcaptor Sakura" getting 1,250 hits versus Keroberos "Cardcaptor Sakura"with only 856, and Kerberos "Cardcaptor Sakura" with 543. 3loodlust (talk) 20:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I stand corrected. Came home and checked and the new printings of the first half of the manga do indeed use Cerberus (and Kero-chan), however, the anime still uses Keroberos and the first printings also use Keroberos. So the question then becomes, do we go with what is used in the new printings, or what is used in the anime and the original printings and the more popularly used? (And Ask.com is not a real search engine while Google hits are considered an informal indicator of popularity). AnmaFinotera (talk) 21:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict)The only source I can find that uses Keroberos is the Geneon DVDs (although I've not checked the second movie as I'm not sure when or if his name is used). Cannot give screenshots as for whatever reason subtitles are no longer coming being included in PowerDVD caps. The original Tokyopop manga actually uses Kerberos, at least in the edition I have. The bilingual manga published by Kodansha International uses Cerberus, as does Tokyopop's later Master of the Clow manga (I never bought their "100% authentic" re-release of the first half of the series since I already had the bilinguals, but those stopped at volume 6). The official anime fanbook published in Japan by Kodansha also uses Cerberus. Shiroi Hane (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, thats quite useful :) Are those bilingual ones part of Kodansha's series for helping folks in Japan learn English? AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Geneon's DVD's use "Kerberos" throughout the subtitled version of Cardcaptor Sakura. "Keroberos" is only used in the Cardcaptors dub material. --EmperorBrandon (talk) 04:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is an example of it from the from the Geneon DVD's (this is from the first episode of the subtitled version) of "Kerberos":  --EmperorBrandon (talk) 04:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah cool. Its been awhile since I've watched, so was misremembering. Guess that's a good excuse for a rewatch. ;-) AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It would appear then that the only version using the "Keroberos" spelling is in fact the much maligned Cardcaptors. Shiroi Hane (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: The "100% authentic" release calls him 'Cerberus'. Also, I'm so sorry that I didn't think of this before, but the Japanese manga also uses 'Cerberus' (or at least my edition does). It's written on the small sidebar profile located on page 14 of volume 8. At the top his name is spelled in katakana, but at the bottom, under a picture of him it reads 'Cerberus'. I think I agree with erachima, 'Cerberus' seems to be the better spelling.3loodlust (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then. So, should we, at least, actually have Keroberos redirecting to Cerberus, for those who have only seen the anime? :P AnmaFinotera (talk) 00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 3loodlust: I actually took a picture of that from the bilingual release, but didn't include it as I already had a sample from that version. I didn't realise that bit of text was the same in the Japanese version. AnmaFinotera: I believe those books are for Japanese learning English, yes. I also have the first two volumes of Chobits in bilingual. Shiroi Hane (talk) 00:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: So, now that we have all these references for the spelling...how about adding some of them to the Cerberus article (in the proper format, of course, not the links to the images)? :PAnmaFinotera (talk) 04:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have the books here so might be a bit difficult and I'm on lates but I'll see what I can do. Shiroi Hane (talk) 13:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How would you suggest we go about that, AnmaFinotera. We have more sources of different spellings here then are currently mentioned in the article. Do you think adding all of them might be too messy, or should we go ahead and mention all of the above? 3loodlust (talk) 20:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every last one :) One or two per name would be fine, though. AnmaFinotera (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keroberos name fixing 

message: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E7D71238F933A15752C0A9649C8B63
Found this while looking for some other stuff. Has some good info about the changes between CCS and CC. Noting here incase I forget the link. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of info 

message: I was just looking over the page, and noticed this section listing off all of the cards. Is this list really necessary? The cards have their own page; they don't need to be listed off here too, and to have a long list like this really detracts from the rest of the page in which each section is moderately well organized and presents a definite purpose. I suggest this section either be revised so that it serves a useful purpose, or else be deleted altogether. -3loodlust (talk) 16:29, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 10:49, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You say that each of the cards have their own page and that the list isn't necessary, yet it seems as if all the card pages and the clow cards are now all being redirected back to this main article? It might just be me, but I can't find a list of them or any of the card pages anymore. 24.186.53.14 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 04:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No one said the cards have their own page; because the cards were never notable. There was a list of all the clow cards, however the list was nothing but a repeat of all the plot summary from the episode/chapter lists along with some WP:OR. As such it was deleted via AfD and redirected back here because it is unnotable and excessive fictional detail. What is necessary to know about the cards is already adequately covered in their roles in the chapter and episode lists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose when I first recommended this section deletion, I mentioned the then-existent list; I'm sure that's what started all this. I must agree, however, that such a page was unnecessary as the cards are hardly a broad or important enough topic to allow for an entire page describing them. As AnmaFinotera said, most of the information on that list was already in the episode/chapter lists. Though it might be possible to add a paragraph or so on the cards--not a list of them, but perhaps some basic information such as their organizational structure (ie. Light and Dark are the most closely connected to Yue and Cerberus, attack cards are more powerful than docile ones, etc.), and perhaps even mention some of their reproductions, on the main page. I'm sure I could find citable information if anyone really wants the cards included, but an entire page devoted to the cards just isn’t pratical. -3loodlust (talk) 02:31, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The cards used to have their own page, but that page is now gone. However, the information on that page was not included in this page, and this page still has multiple links to the deleted page. There is now no listing of the cards anywhere on the site. Could somebody please restore the old page, at least until the core information from it (the names of the cards) is incorporated into this page? Removing information from Wikipedia altogether is frowned upon, I believe... 76.10.156.151 (talk) 00:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No as there is nothing from that page that needs to be incorporated here at all. The list of card names is trivial and irrelevant to the main page. As has already been noted, noting a card was captured goes in the episode and chapter summaries only. Meanwhile, I will go back and make sure the links have been removed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:35, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Characters and Cards' Section 

message: My keybord lapsed when i was wrinting why i undid rev 270424562 
Ext link to COPYVIO content & a try to get around the image fair use limitation of the characters list.
--KrebMarkt 13:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undid revision 270424562 

message: I've heard from people that a new tv series will be released soon in the future. If this is true then why not add a section of speculation? Mostly blogs have been at it. Could we do add it? SonGoku786(talk • contribs) 20:24, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Write nothing that was not relayed by Reliable sources most likely ANN in that case. Speculations don't suit well with something that want to be encyclopedic :( So if any Reliable Sources assert those rumors, it will be very carefully added to the media->anime sub-section. --KrebMarkt 20:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: No, as it is nothing but rumors (and very likely pure wishing if anything). If it isn't noted by actual reliable sources, its not anything to mention anywhere. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:58, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  new series 

message: There have been tags on this page for quite some time but no discussion has been brought up about how to fix them. Perhaps we should start by discussing the reasons for why such tags are in place. I believe we should remove the reference and intro tags as there are plenty of references on the page and the intro seems to follow the guidelines. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 07:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A discussion is not required when basic tags are put on an article. As for why the tags are in place, no there are not enough references, not by a long shot. There are only 11, most of which just reference specific item releases. The intro is not following current guidelines, per WP:LEAD and WP:MOS-AM. The neutrality's tag addition was discussed, but it may be in the archives now. The clean up is do to numerous MoS issues. See also the big to do box at the top of this page, which spells out some of the work needed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 08:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "This article or section has multiple issues. Please help improve the article or discuss these issues on the talk page." It doesn't matter whether or not the tags are basic, it's common sense to discuss problems with the article in order to fix them as people aren't mind readers. I added some more references to the games but this article is pretty small compared to many others so there is a reason the lower amount of references than normal. AjaaniSherisu (talk) 08:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags