Talk:Cue stick

message: From article:
:"The important factor when picking a cue is that it feels balanced to you and the weight and length give you confidence at the table. An irish linen wrap on the pool cue is nice as it give you a nice grip, and absorbs moisture from your hand. Irish Linen historically came from fishing line manufacturers in Ireland."
Encyclopedias never refer to the person reading them, the article needs to be reworded again.
--Mattwolf7  (00:40, 21 Jan 2004)
:This was in reference to the article as it was three years ago, so I'm marking this "Resolved".  Any further concerns with article text should be raised in new topics. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewording?

message: Unless there's a difference between pool cues, billiard cues, and snooker cues, I think this article should exist at cue (sport) or some such thing... Evercat 00:59, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: There are in fact differences, as the article now addresses.  However, they do not all need articles, so the article has in fact been moved, not split. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename?

message: Note that this article was cut'n'paste-moved from Pool cue --Improv 14:42, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged in the two topics that were at :Talk Pool cue, so it's no longer an issue, other than the edit history doesn't go back to the true beginning.  We'd need admin attention to fix that. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 09:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper move

message: Someone please change the picture, the cue isn't shown in enough detail it should have a cue with all of it's parts labelled. 
Here's the picture of a good one.
128.6.175.27 20:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It shall be done. — ßottesiηi Tell me what's up 16:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: I've never heard of a cue being made of carbon fiber or aluminum. They usually have an inner core that is wood and the outside may be some other material. Changed this, as well as added some more information. 128.6.175.27 20:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This may no longer be true; bears further research.  The new Hybrid brand cue may or may not have a wood core. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 01:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Years later: Yeah, all the carbon fiber, fiberglass, etc., ones still have a wooden core so far as I've seen. I don't find anything reliably sourced on alternative materials, other than as antiques, or as experimental modern stuff that does not seem to be encyclopedically relevant (yet).  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:11, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cue Materials 

message: I've expanded many topics as well as added some that I thought we're important. This article looks much better than when I first encountered it. Tell me what you think! 70.111.251.203 02:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Needs to be thoroughly converted to good prose, not prescriptive talk - MPF 00:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it definitely needs major cleanup work as noted by MPF. Lots of material added, but "Normally, one wants to..." language is not appropriate in an encyclopedia: Wikipedia is not a how-to book or an advice column. Retagging the article for cleanup.  Also, you did not provide any sources at all, so you have effectively endangered the entire article for deletion per the no original research policy. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 01:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement 

message: Butt:
"The butt of cheaper cues are usually spiced hardwood and a plastic covering while more high-end cues use solid rosewood or ebony." 'spiced'? or 'spliced' (I know essentially nothing about the subject). --204.112.214.216 23:23, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should have been "spliced". Fixed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 01:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling? 

message: Hit or feel are very important to pool players, but never quantified.  Obviously the perception of cue vibration or resonance is part of it (maybe all of it.)  But these forces are not measured.  And clearly people's perceptions vary.  I think the current section on hit or feel is a bit pointless, because the author did not even try to quantify what is being discussed - good luck finding any scientific discussion of the topic.
Hit and feel are clearly subjective making any discussion on correlation between cue construction and perception of the forces involved in a hit very difficult to discuss in an objective fashion.  Manufacturers love to talk about the hit or feel of their cues; but once again, they can't quantify anything.
I suggest the whole section be truncated.  At very least it should attempt to explain what is meant by hit and feel.  Of course I can only speculate what is meant.  It seems clear that the factors involved are the ability of the cue stick to dissapate energy, and resonance (both upon impact and immediately afterwards.)
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I agree completely.  "Hit" and "Feel" are nonsense concepts developed by marketing firms and their paid endorsers, as is the concept of "deflection" or "squirt".  Having this sort of nonsense in the Wikipedia article just lends credibility to the advertising claims of cue companies without providing any real, usable information to the reader. Jayess (talk) 10:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not true, actually, with regard to the latter two terms (very well sourceable cue sports physics concepts, and accurately measurable). I agree with the "hit" and "feel" assessment, at least as this has been written.  I'm not sure anything encyclopedic can be written about them.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:09, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Feel" 

message: "There are also cues that have more, notably three to five" three to five what?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.252.46.221 (talk) 00:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reword 

message: I've taken this out of the "construction aspects" section:
:A high-quality but plain two piece cue, that looks like one-piece, run-of-the-mill house or bar cue, is called a sneaky pete. Such cues have a joint that is wood-on-wood, and barely visible. The subterfuge often enables a hustler to fool unsuspecting gamblers into thinking that he or she is an unskilled player with no regard for equipment quality or finesse, until too late.
Is this term really well known in the world of cue sports? I think not, but please put it back if I'm wrong. pablo ::  ... hablo ... 13:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's extremely well know; ubiquitous even. Of course, the entry was unsourced, as is the bulk of the article. I think I sourced Sneaky Pete's etnry in the Glossary, so if anyone wants to place it back with a source, visit there.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Rewrote it as well, to use fewer hyphenated phrases. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 22:40, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sneaky pete

message: Moved this section to talk and removed the 'howto' tag from the top of the article. RJFJR (talk) 13:53, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Cue maintenance

message: Moved to talk as unreferenced (and possible howto) RJFJR (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true, and could be edited down easily to be non-howto, but does need a reliable source (not a deadlink to a WP:SPS. :-)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:06, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Pivot points

message: Moved to talk, is this really the kind of cue the article is about? RJFJR (talk) 13:56, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still a cue.  All these implements derive ultimately from something called the mace, similar to a golf putter.  I think the article goes into this in detail sufficient to make this clear, but I guess it could enriched somewhat. We probably really need a Cue (sports) page and Puck (sports) page to generally cover billiards and non-billiards cues, and hockey and non-hockey pucks, respectively, per WP:CONCEPTDAB and WP:SUMMARY.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  02:05, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: In other sports and games

message: I went to add what I perceive as missing conversions in this article for the cue tip sizes, which are given in mm only when then rest of the article uses imperial measurements first. However, I see there is a hidden comment, "Don't convert; cue tips are ALWAYS specified in mm, even in the US". As I understand the point of the convert template it is to help readers who are unfamiliar with either metric or imperial units, rather than any reflection of how they are specified in the source (c.f. Road speed limits in the United Kingdom). I therefore think that this article would be better if the mm tip sizes are converted to imperial measurements, but with a footnote (including a citation) that the tip sizes are specified in mm even in countries that use imperial for other cue dimensions. Or am I missing something? Thryduulf (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I've left messages inviting comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cue sports and Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I agree with you; I would add the conversions. If people are likely to be misled into thinking tip sizes are measured in inches in the US but this is not the case, we could make the HTML comment into a visible footnote. -sche (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it done on articles relating to guns and ammunition? This seems comparable to that. Formerip (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the Calibre article and a random selection of articles linked from it, my impression is that the area is a complete mess. The most common seems to use conversions most of the time, but some don't use them except in the infobox, sometimes they're treated as names and sometimes as dimensionless numbers. .22 Long Rifle for example seems to use all styles. Thryduulf (talk) 21:02, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

text: Not knowing the details, I would accept that statement to mean you should not use the disp=flip option on convert. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it's harmless conversion, as long as we state in the article that they're specified in mm even in the US.  Same goes for ounces. I bought cue in Europe the other year, and its weight was given in ounces, not grams or kilos.  Some traditions die hard.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:59, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  cue tip size "Don't convert" 

message: Perhaps the title of this page should be 'pool cues' as opposed to 'cue stick'.  I know, as an avid pool player and collector for 30 years, that the obvious search for me to find information about pool cues on wikipedia would be to search for 'pool cues', not 'cue sticks'.  That name 'cue sticks' is stuck in the 1970's and earlier.  The category of 'pool cues' could then be subcategorized into 'carom cues', 'custom pool cues', 'billiard cues', 'production cues', and such.  They are all unique with their own history and worthy of their own articles.
Tyankee (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title change 

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message: Judging by the lingo, the casual observer would assume that cue sports are of american invention, completely bypassing the British/Indian root connection - ivory balls (elephants), etymology of terms such as snooker, billiards, etc which are definitely non-american.
Much of this Wankerpedia article is so americentric that it borders on being unencyclopaedic.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Samsbanned (talk • contribs) 17:21, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "American" only appears in the article twice, in both cases back-to-back with mention of the UK or Europe.  This article happens to have been written in American English, so it will naturally use American vocabulary (fiber, aluminum), just as almost all snooker articles are written in British English and use spellings appropriate for it; see MOS:ENGVAR.  For any cue-sports-specific term that is different in North American versus British/Commonwealth usage, it's perfectly permissible to do something like  () (just make sure that there are entries at Glossary of cue sports terms that match the templated terms); or to write something more explanatory, as we did about "side", "sidespin" and "english".  I.e., don't vent and fingerpoint; WP:JUSTFIXIT.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  19:00, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an American game 

message: A certain editor seems to be oblivious to other people's preferences. Not everyone eats meat or enjoys playing with the remnants of a carcass attached to the tip of one's cue. Stop being a smart arse and pay attention to others' needs. Samsbanned (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:NPOV policy, and WP:COATRACK. It is not permissible to hijack an article about one topic to advance a socio-political agenda about vegetarianism or anything else.  See also WP:CIVIL and WP:BATTLEGROUND; if you continue to interpret every disagreement with you (and continue to ignore the policy-based rationales people give you for their disagreement) you are not going to last long here.  This is not a game for you to try to win, it is an encyclopedia with extremely specific editing requirements.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ<  19:20, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-leather tips