Talk:Khamis al-Obeidi

message: Dictator is appropriate to use?
just wondering... Omernos 16:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saddam is on the list of dictators, and AFAIK that hasn't been challenged. So it appears to be NPOV to refer to him as such here, yes. -Fsotrain09 16:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Disagree about Dictator=POV.  Like "Criminal" it is usually applied by others, but "dictator" has been self-applied in history, and is reasonably definable.Algr 17:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: My point was that Saddam is already listed as such elsewhere on Wikipedia, so that the statement would appear to be NPOV by our standards.  For consistancy, he should be referred to the same way here.  If anyone disagrees with the designation, they should discuss it there. -Fsotrain09 17:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing... 

message: I created a redirect at Khamis al-Obaidi to this page, although it seems like "al-Obaidi" actually is the more common use (including, as far as I could tell, by Al Jazeera).  Does anyone know which is correct? Should we move the page? -- Renesis13 20:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An Associated Press article I read used "Khamis al-Obedi." Unless it's confirmed that these are transliteration errors rather than differences, the current redirect scheme should do fine. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 07:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  al-Obeidi/al-Obaidi 

message: This article states:
:Khamis al-Obeidi (Arabic: خميس العبيدي‎) (died 21 June 2006) was Saddam Hussein and Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti's top defense lawyer...
Then later on:
:The killing occured shortly before the final phase of Saddam Hussein's trial, and Khalil al-Dulaimi, Saddam's chief defence lawyer...
althought Khalil al-Dulaimi's article does not describe him as such.
It does however link to:
:Ziad al-Khasawneh is a Jordanian lawyer who heads a team of twenty-two defense lawyers...
So who's the boss? - Matthew238 23:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Jordan-based team was fired by Saddam's family, so al-Dulaimi now heads the team. Miraculouschaos 23:45, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Top Lawyer

message: Does this represent an objective point of view?--Eshcorp 12:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A dictatorship is a type of government, so I believe that calling him a dictator is still objective, since he met the criteria.  But that's just me...  Fllmtlchcb 20:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: See dicussion above. -Fsotrain09 21:49, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Personally, I'd say that it is clearly POV unless he referred to himself as a dictator. Actually he called himself President of Iraq and Chairman of the Iraqi Revolutionary Command up until the time he was deposed in 2003. The "official ruler" of Iraq prior to 2003 was the Ba'ath Party through a nine-member Revolutionary Command Council. Officially Power was not vested in Saddam Hussein. If you want to call him a dictator then at the very least you should have a reference to show that the official chain of command was a sham - I'm not saying that it was not, I'm only saying that you can't make that leap of judgment without something to back up your conclusion. --gargoyle888 00:05, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only on Wikipedia could you possibly find someone arguing that Saddam was not a dictator... --RaiderAspect 03:47, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's interesting but that is clearly not what I was saying. It matters not whether the man was or was not a dictator in fact. It matters only what can be clearly demonstrated as his position or title. The term Dictator is derogatory and reflects a POV but more importantly: was not his title. As someone else very succinctly said yesterday "Wikipedia does not support political analysis..."--gargoyle888 17:08, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: T's OK. I see someone has already taken the initiative and changed it to a neutral term. So I'm happy.--gargoyle888 06:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "former dictator's trial" 

message: I happen to find a photograph used by Al Jazeera website, but it seems to belong to The French Press Archive as credited below. I was wondering if it's possible to use it under a proper license tag. 
AlJazeera's News On The Death of Khamis Al Obeidi (Arabic)
Omernos 14:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found a similar, perhaps identical, image credited to the Associated Press. I've uploaded it, tagged it properly as Fair Use, and am now working on integrating it into relevant articles. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 22:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph 

message: In the main body of this article it is noted that a citation is needed for Khamis al-Obeidi having been shot multiple times. While looking around on the Web, I came across an article in the Internation Herald Tribune that may be what's needed.
Ehnebuske 23:47, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for "multiple gunshot wounds"