Talk:New Economic Policy

message: why does this article contain two obvious propaganda books in the "further reading" section by a "Golitsyn, Anatoliy" ... "The Communist Strategy of Deception and Disinformation"? even stranger, the other one seems to be about Perestroika, which hardly happened during the NEP era. I don't think books like these qualify for a supposedly neutral Wikipedia article?
:: - Shok 45
Nobody has responded, and these books indeed are unrelated and have a clear anti-communist slant. Given that, I think it is fair to remove the two books now.
Spartan2600 (talk) 11:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "further reading" 

message: There was a second timespan when USSR again used NEP, and it again helped the economy. I don't know the exact years by memory and will be very busy for the next few weeks, too busy to look it up, but maybe someone out there already knows the dates or can look them up? This one should be simple to add (or at least link to) in the article.
--Jeff
Hello
--Jeff  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.124.117.24 (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Second NEP 

message: "Howeveytdsyatryetu vb u 3oov7 t wvuv iluavui lhfr... restored only to the 1913 level" 
Those deprecating pis me off. It was a hrough devastating WWI, Rusty Revolution, Civil War914-1922). Total chaos. And all recovered in only 6 years! ("only to 1909 level"). 
A related thing, an urban legend that bolsheviks destroyed Russia. Yes, they screwed it up, but later. In the beginning it was Tsar, who by entering WWI disrupted the economy immensely: 
*:
*#removed frn for several years
*#neveretheless had to be fed
*The economy turned into was gears, i.e., useless for population.
Food riots started without any bolshevik help. mikka (t) 9 July 2005 06:27 (UTC  ů   Èω
=== Response to "Silly Sovietophobic Bias" ===
It would be nice if you could find sources to backup your claims. It would be even nicer for you to spell words more correctly too. AWDRacer 18:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  silly sovietophobic bias 

message: It would be nice if you could find sources to backup your claims. It would be even nicer for you to spell words more correctly too. AWDRacer 18:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to "Silly Sovietophobic Bias" 

message: "[the NEP] Bolshevik"
Blatently untrue. Even the left of the party supported the new economic policy. Even Preobrezhenskii's law of primitive socialist accumulation was based around the free market of the NEP, the same law which Stalin later plagerized and exaggerated when he spoke of demanding "tribute" from peasants because Russia had not any colonies.
"We are taking one step backward to later take two steps forward", suggesting that Stalin's five year plan was a fulfillment of Lenin's testament."
This completely ignores the body of work in Lenin's later years that stressed the fundimental importance of the smychka (on which the NEP was based) between the peasantry and the non-rural sector.
I took the liberty of removing the emphasis on the Stalinist myth of the nepmen as an explanation of the grain shortage.
Glaucon 20:35, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy Stalin-centric Bias 

message: Did the Great Depression outside the Soviet Union force central planning from the inside.  Former Soviet dissident Boris Kagarlitsky had this to say:
"Then in 1928-29, around the time when the great depression was starting, something happened that was not really noticed by historians for quite some time. In both Russian and western writing of history it was very difficult to consider that the fact that these two things were happening simultaneously was not simply an accident. They were not. I spent quite a lot of time studying the archives of the Soviet economy, which is now referred to as the Russian Government Archives of Economy (previously the People’s Economy Archives).
I discovered that the great depression was a huge setback for the whole Soviet industrialisation project, which was based on exporting grain and importing technologies in order to develop. This plan was destroyed by the great depression.
Secondly, the global crisis rapidly brought to the surface the many contradictions that were built into NEP, including the price gap between industrial and agricultural products. In this new situation, peasants simply stopped producing products that were least profitable within this price gap. For example, they started shifting from corn to potatoes, because corn was being sold on the international market and, although its price collapsed, the Bolshevik government was trying to get as much corn at the cheapest price possible as a way of compensating for the loss of the global market. The peasants simply shifted to potatoes which were not being sold internationally and this led to the famous ‘crisis of bread supply’, which saw not only insufficient bread production for export, but also for domestic consumption.
Reading the archives, it is clear how afraid the Soviet leadership was of the whole system falling apart. There was a real possibility of a complete decomposition of the Soviet state in the period of the great depression."
(http://www.aglob.ru/en/analysis/?id=596) Darth Sidious 09:42, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the Great Depression? 

message: I have no access to the book but this sentence seemed entirely jarring and out of place. I've removed it in the hope that someone else knows whether it's conspiracist guff or factual. I'm challenging "Some people in the top echelons" if it was only an insignificant number or less than "top echelon".
Quoted removed material: "Some people in the top echelons of government were Buddhists or involved with spiritual organizations such as the Masons and Rosicrucians."Ruth A. Drayer Nicholas & Helena Roerich, pp 199-200, Quest Books, 2005   
JohnHarris (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant material? 

message: the more I read this article, the more I got an ominous feeling that there was some strategic politicizing being done, especially in the "Policies of NEP" section. Sure enough, I look down and find three Mises.org (via the "The Journal of Libertarian Studies") citations, hardly a neutral source. I think any reliance on Mises.org needs to be removed wholesale. Mises.org has a clear anti-marxist, anti-communist agenda.
Two especially bad sections;
"Under the NEP, the state moved away from Communist ideals and embraced a more liberal approach to modernizing the economy. The Soviet state abandoned the idea of nationalizing particular industries. The Soviet government reformed the private sector under the NEP and severely cut the central government budget. The Soviet Union under the NEP welcomed foreign investment, notably from Western nations, in order to fund industrial and developmental projects."
"The Bolsheviks’ view towards village life was dismal. The old way of village life was reminiscent of the Tsarist Russia that had been thrown out with the October Revolution. With the NEP, which sought to repudiate the “old ways,” methods were set in placed which promoted peasants to pursue their self-interests. However, the state only allowed private landholdings because the idea of collectivized farming was met with much opposition."
The absolute worst is "The Bolsheviks’ view towards village life was dismal." That is not a statement of fact, it is a value judgment. It doesn't belong anywhere in Wikipedia unless it is a quote from a relevant individual in a relevant article.
Much of this article has been written with some sort of American-Libertarian/Capitalist bias. I'm not an expert on the NEP, but the un-academic and biased nature of this article is obvious.  
Spartan2600 (talk) 11:24, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he has a point. Yes, there is some truth in the reference material but I think it is perfectly reasonable to question the agenda of an organisation like mises.org. The NEP was introduced to quell the peasant wars, something which does not seem to come up in the Mises article, making it incomplete and not completely impartial. It should also be pointed out that Karl Marx did not view capitalism as anything more than a means to an end, rather than an end in itself. That meant that it could co-exist within a state where production was a controlled by the government at certain levels, as was espoused in the NEP. I do not see this as a repudiation of communist policy in favour of libertarian capitalism, as the Mises article seems to claim. Flanker235 (talk) 03:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: The section Disagreements in leadership refers to Trosky's collectivism as "liberal" and Stalin's state capitalism as "conservative." This is inaccurate. Liberalism traditionally refers to a more free-market system, whereas conservatism simply means maintaining the status quo. Using "liberalism" to refer to left-wing ideology and "conservatism" to refer to right-wing ideology is based on modern American politics and has no place in an article about the USSR in the early 20th century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.179.154.52 (talk) 16:54, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberal and conservative? 

message: I tried to fix the section on the end of the NEP; a lot of information seemed distorted. Provided accurate reference as well. I think this article needs checking for bias. The information I removed was definitely hostile towards Western research. I know this has been brought up already; just affirming. 
AATroop (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias Checking 

message: Why is that?--Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 19:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because it didn't matter much. Is there anything specific you have in mind? Here's a source found after a quick search -  - which says US, UK and "other Western nations" were "cautiously optimistic".Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

text: The Anglo-Soviet Trade Agreement of 1921 might be worth mentioning though .Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a single sentence in this article about the response of the West/America 

message: I don't have the book, but as fa as I understand the famine continued under the NEP.
* V.A. Polyakov, Hunger in Volga region 1919-25 Xx236 (talk) 11:53, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hunger in Volga region 1919-25 

message: What could you replace the biased material of the article with to give the reader a broader viewpoint of NEP? — Chargrad2020 (talk) 09:26, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: — Assignment last updated by Surferr03 (talk) 05:26, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: HIS 347

message: — Assignment last updated by Crssby (talk) 02:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Fall 2023 HIST 401

message: Heavily duplicated subject. But possibly some new content. Not to say that the article  NEPman is heavily confused: this is a colloquial insulting term for people who got rich due to NEP. Surely it was not applied to petty street vendors. And this can be easily covered in a single paragraph in the main  article. - Altenmann >talk 16:21, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[NEPman]]