Talk:List of characters in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater/Archive 1

message: Someone either deleted him for some reason (vandalism?) or he was never there. I dunno how this could've been overlooked, but someone ought to add Major Zero into the list of FOX members right now.
I'm noticing Ocelot is missing too.
They were both there, Zero in full and Ocelot as a link to his own page, must be vandalisum (The Bread 02:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What Happened to Major Zero?

message: The "aliases" for the members of the Cobra Unit are not aliases.  The ones here are just other names.  Aliases are other known names/identities a character is known to go by.  Not a description of the person.
Changed.  TotalTommyTerror 18:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bogus Aliases

message: why did you change them back?
also i put the thing bout radien as joke 
cos mgs is soo seroius half the time so i thought i'd lighten things up
:it was kinda funny, but seriously you cannot put stuff like that on the wikipedia. It has to be encyclopedic
stuck up people gah, on sky news the report said "at the first donation the USA gave, they were called stigs from this tiny donation, this was changed soon" even big news casters can lighten things up, for christ sake MGS has jokes scattered thru it, and it deadly seroius.
:Because those names are obviously fake and nobody has provide a legit source for them. Jonny2x4 18:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name and National changes 

message: Where exactly was it confirmed Volgin's name was Yevgeny Borisovitch? I don't remember ever hearing that.
:His full name is stated in the game when he is first introduced. Musha 09:24, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And in the phone conversation between President Johnson and Khruschev, which takes place between the end of the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater. --Tuspm  Talk | Contribs | E-Mail Me 16:57, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yevgeny Borisovitch?

message: When you try to add more to the information about Volgin, the article simply won't put all in.
Has it something to do with "article size" or what is it?
:Nothing major. It just happened that someone was really crappy in coding. Jonny2x4 00:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article simply cuts off 

message: isn't this vandalism? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Metal_Gear_Solid_3_characters&diff=39517089&oldid=39459777
ILovePlankton 01:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that is not vandalism, but rather a fact. In the military, they sometimes do that to identify others. I'm not kidding, it's a true fact. --Tuspm  Talk | Contribs | E-Mail Me 14:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: Can the names on the minor characters (Major Zero etc) be taken seriously? I assume that they are taken from the casting document that has names put down and a description of characters. However, 
1: has this ever been comfirmed by Konami as an offcial document?
and
 
2: The fact that David Hayter had been added to the cast even before the game's completion, yet Naked Snake was a part that was on the casting document, makes the whole document very illegitimate in my eyes. 
If someone could comment on the legitimacy of the names on the page, it would be appreciated.
The Halo (talk)
I think they can be taken seriously. And I'm almost certain that they were taken from the leaked document. I mean, even though some small things from the leaked document were different from the finished game (like "Ephgeny Volgen" being changed to "Yevgeny Volgin" and Ocelot being 20 in the finished game instead of "late teens" as the leaked document says) most other things were pretty much dead on. If we were to change Zero's real name and such, where do we then draw the line? Like...the only source which I know of which state that The Pain is said to carry a queen hornet (the leaked document said that he used a queen bee, but I assume that has been changed to queen hornet) is the leaked document. And what's the source on The Fear's tongue being forked through surgery (and not that he was born with a forked tongue)? 
The only source I know for that is the leaked document. We may as well change all "only-source- is-the-leaked-document"-info to be speculative instead of labeling it as fact if we go by that logic.
Uh...Snake's real name is listed as Snake. That's obviously wrong. His real name is John (The Boss calls him Jack because Jack is a domesticity for John), which is under "aliases". Someone change that. 154.20.135.89 02:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: "He has the ability to control large swarms of hornets at will. He gained this ability by allowing hornets to sting him for days on and on for months at a time, until the hornets came to believe that he was one of their number."
Is this true or just speculation? I am talking about the whole "spending days and months getting stung by hornets until they believed he was one of them" thing. I have not yet seen an official source on this. Could someone please back this up with an official source if possible?
I know that his face is covered with welts, but in my opinion that is not enough evidence suggesting that he should have used days and months getting stung by hornets to gain control over them. Unless there is an official souce, he may as well simply have chosen to be stung by hornets (for some reason) while he had full control over them.
:Play the game and call Sigint he says that. ILovePlankton (T—C—U—L) 16:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pain's section 

message: Under EVA's section, it says that EVA disappeared in Hanoi in 1968. My point is that the timeline at the end of MGS3 only said that EVA disappeared in Hanoi in 1968, not whether or not it was the fake EVA (the agent for the Chinese branch of the Philosophers) or the real (male) EVA who defected in 1960. Should the article include speculation about whether or not it was the fake (female) EVA or the real (male) EVA who disappeared in 1968?
You from the Philosphers forums....someone asked about this there. Anyway, I dont think there's much need for
a notice on speculation, because 1. We dont know Eva's real name 2. Why would they tell about about a character we dont know. But if you feel its necessary you could add it. -- Psi edit 23:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: also there child would not be raiden, In MGS2 Solidus tells raiden he was the one who killed raiden's parents. ILovePlankton (T—C—U—L) 19:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About EVA disappearing in Hanoi in 1968. 

message: Either I haven't played the game enough times or I'm simply clueless, but I didn't find any references to The Boss being sent up into space for data or being in the Bay of Pigs incident. Similarly, a lot of the backstory on some of the other characters seems to be just speculation. Can anyone clear this up for me?--Offkilter 07:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait, where in the game does it say this? 

message: "He was killed during Operation Snake-Eater, along with the Shagohod"
The grammar needs correction here. It makes it sound as if the Shagohod was a living thing that died. It is an inanimate object. I would correct it myself, but I am a bit pre-ocupied. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.226.219.122 (talk • contribs) 
:I've removed the bit about the Shagohod dying. Interestingly, it would have taken you less time to remove it yourself than to post this here :PNo problem though. -- Steel 22:59, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Shagohod Died?

message: I own the Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater - The Official Guide by Piggyback. In it it states that the 'DOD official' is infact Roy Campbell. This is the official guide, so I do not think that it will post bogus information. Has anyone got any qualms against me changing the DOD official's name to Roy Campbell?
Second, the Director of Central Intelligance. It states in the article that this is John McCone. Apart from the fact that this was the Director in 1964, does anyone have any sources to prove this is the actual Director in the game?
Finally, the Presidant's name. I havn't gone through the game properly for a while, so I don't know if it actually mention's his name is President Johnson, but if it doesn't, remove his name and just put 'The Presidant', and mention somewhere in the article that chronologicly, that it should be President Johnson. I'm pretty sure in MGS 2 (although I can't recall it in MGS 3) that all names are fictional, but thats slightly irrelivent. 
Any replies? The Haunted Angel 20:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Make sure you mention that the only place those names are ever mentioned is that guide and that should work. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Again, per WP:WAF, please mention that this is only mentioned in this guide. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: If you think it and can't attribute it to any source, please don't add it to this article. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DOD official, Director of Central Intelligence and Presidant names 

message: I'm pretty sure that that guy who's the DOD official isn't Roy Campbell. In the timeline it says Campbell was born in the mid 50's, making him 7-9 in 1964. Thats probably a bit young to become a DOD official (The Bread 00:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the book have any Konami logo or something on it? (The Bread 01:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Campbell 

message: There is nothing in the game that indicates it was actually the Sorrow who summoned that lightning bolt. I don't know who keeps reverting it back to that, but I would appreciate it if you would stop vandalizing the article with misinformation. Either give us a source for that information, or leave the article be.
There's strong evidence to support that it was the sorrow
*Whenever The Sorrow appears it begins raining and thundering
*You can see him floating around behing EVA when Volgins dying
I think that is enough to prove it was The Sorrow 
(The Bread 07:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volgins catchphrase 

message: A bunch of people have been moved into the recurring MG characters article, and I wanna know why? What other games do these people appear in?
:Apparantly, they're going to be in the upcoming MGS game for PSP. -MentosC 19:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh really? You know this how? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring Sigint, EVA, Zero etc? 

message: Does anybody know that you can drown yourself in that battle, and just use the revival pill to awaken?
Yep, and you can also let the ghosts kill you, but you don't get the Sorrow's camo either way. To get his camo, you have to go to the end and touch him. The Haunted Angel 01:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorrow 

message: 36-23-34. While these seem, acurate; I don't think they were mentioned at any point during the game, correct me if I'm wrong
(The Bread 06:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EVA's measurements