Talk:Songket

message: The first line of this article contains a miss-conception about songket: in songket, cotton or silk threads are not necessarily woven with gold and silver supplementary weft, as those can be of cotton and silver themselves. The more general characteristic is that the supplementary thread is of another color than the main one. 
Pwjohnson (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 09:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  First line 

message: Songket is a fabric that belongs to the brocade family of textiles of the Malay world Indonesia It is hand-woven in silk or cotton, and intricately patterned with gold or silver threads.[4] The metallic threads stand out against the background cloth to create a shimmering effect. In the weaving process the metallic threads are inserted in between the silk or cotton weft (latitudinal) threads in a technique called supplementary weft weaving technique.[5]
Songket
Bamboofabric.png
A typical Minangkabau songket, the pattern in the lower third representing bamboo sprouts
Type
Art Fabric
Material
silk, cotton, gold, silver
Place of origin
Palembang (mainly and originally)[1][2], Maritime Southeast Asia[3]
Manufacturer
Indonesia 
Songket
UNESCO Intangible Cultural Heritage
<<Country
Indonesia>>
Domains
Traditional craftsmanship
Reference
01505
Region
Asia and the Pacific
Inscription history
Inscription
2021 (16th session)
List
Representative List
Unesco Cultural Heritage logo.svg
Songket is often associated with the Srivijaya Empire as the origin of the songket tradition, several types of popular Songket can not be separated from locations that were once under Srivijaya rule, one of the dominant locations which is also believed to be the capital of the Srivijaya Empire in the past, namely Palembang, which located in South Sumatra. Besides Palembang, several areas in Sumatra are also the best-in-class Songket producing locations, which include areas in Minangkabau or West Sumatra such as Pandai Sikek, Silungkang, Koto Gadang, and Padang. Outside of Sumatra, songket is also produced by regions such as Bali, Lombok, Sambas, Sumba, Makassar, Sulawesi, and other areas in Indonesia.
Due to the historical factors of the Srivijaya Empire, trade, and mixed marriages, Songket has also become popular in the Maritime Southeast Asia region, especially in countries around Indonesia 
Based on the analysis conducted on the statues at the Bumiayu Site, South Sumatra, it can be seen that songket has been worn by the people of South Sumatra since the 7th century AD, when Srivijaya was based in Palembang. This statue was found at the Bumiayu Temple Archaeological Site which is located on the downstream bank of Lematang River which empties into Musi River, precisely in Tanah Abang District, Penukal Abab Lematang Ilir district approximately 120 km to the west of Palembang City.
In Indonesia, five songket traditions are recognised as Intangible Cultural Heritage by the Indonesian Ministry of Education and Culture.[6] They are songket traditions of Palembang[7] and Sambas,[8] both appointed in 2013; Pandai Sikek songket of West Sumatra,[9] appointed in 2014; songket tradition of Beratan, Bali appointed in 2018;[10] and Silungkang songket tradition of West Sumatra, appointed in 2019.[11] In 2021, UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) officially recognized Songket Malaysia as a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afriz 62 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021 

message: SONGKET FROM INDONESIA
THANK YOU  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afriz 62 (talk • contribs) 01:25, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021 (2) 

message: There is no proof whatsoever that Songket originated from Palembang. Researchers have concluded that Srivijayan era clothings are called Kebaya not Songket, please edit back the origin of Songket.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.75.238.10 (talk) 02:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: https://southsumatratourism.com/2021/02/18/songket-at-bumiayu-temple-arca/ Ckfasdf (talk) 04:17, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  No proof it originated from Palembang 

message: Bumiayu is not a proof that it is a songket, give me a strong academic evidence that it originated from Palembang  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malaysianwarrior1957 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is an academic article on The History of Songket Based on Archaeological Data, written by  Retno Purwanti and Sondang M. Siregar from South Sumatra Archaological Office (Balai Arkeologi Sumatera Selatan). This archaeological academic paper suggests that "based on archaeological data, it can be seen that songket has been known by the people of South Sumatra since the 9th century AD, as seen in the statues from Bumiayu. At that time songket was only used by the nobility, as seen from the statues which were probably the embodiment of a king. The use of songket only in the upper classes continued until the sultanate from the 16th to 19th centuries AD. After During the collapse of the sultanate, songket began to spread among non-aristocrats. The evidence for the existence of songket limited to the motifs found on the vest worn by Figure 1 at the Bumiayu temple complex site, Pali Regency. The use of this vest was also popular during the Palembang sultanate and was only worn by the nobility. The use of the vest in Figure 1 with the lepus motif shows the continuity of the use of the lepus motif for the nobility that has been around since the 9th century AD". You're welcome. Gunkarta  talk  12:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bumiayu Is not a Songket 

message: I request this page should be protected from further vandalism from PikiranHati in order to stir up tensions between Malaysia and Indonesia. We should keep the article neutral of any sort of political motives Tellisavas (talk) 11:18, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  PikiranHati keeps vandalizing Songket article 

message: recently new editor  insist to make change on origin and image on infobox, also on some other details. He claim songket origin is from Terengganu based on the fact that Songket is listed in UNESCO's Intangible cultural heritage, He also put Kheng 2011 as reference for his claim on origin of Songket.
In which, I disagree on his claim because:
# ICH listing on songket (as shown https://ich.unesco.org/en/RL/songket-01505 here) never mention about origin of Songket.
# first sentence on his cited source JNE Kheng 2011, explicitly state "" which implies Songket is originated somewhere other than Malay peninsula
# there is no single mention of Terengganu as origin of songket in History Section, and History section is clear on origin of Songket with proper source cited.
# Also in History section, it was mentioned that "", this statement is taken from Rodgers and Summerfields 2007.
# lastly, he indicate that he is not willing to discuss on talk page based on his edit summary, whereas he stated "", which is clear indicator of WP:DISRUPTSIGNS.
That's why such edit will almost definitely be reverted. cc  Ckfasdf (talk) 06:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable edit by new editor