Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 2

message: A user made a whole bunch of separate templates for the gym leaders; i.e. Template:Hoenn Gym Leaders, Template:Johto Gym Leaders, and Template:Kanto Gym Leaders.  I think this just screams REDUNDENCY and needs to be fixed.  So far I've created Template:Pokémon Gym Leaders, which rolls all three regions' gym leaders into one.  I think this should be implemented.  I think this needs to be extended to the Elite Four tempaltes, as well.  I need help, however, in implementing all of these templates, as well as categorizing the Gym Leaders into appropriate categoreis (seems to be nonexistent). 04:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to work better. Erik the Appreciator 17:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I fixed all of the links to point to the list pages, they're where we're poutting this info. --Celestianpower háblame 20:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would be definitely more efficient. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 21:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great Idea! Dee man45 00:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is truly a great idea as it is more efficient. --Siva1979Talk to me 14:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the Orange Islands Gym Leaders to the template. The Raven's Apprentice(Talk) 08:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: The last talk was getting a bit big at 130ish kb long, so I've archived it. A link to prior conversations can be found here. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:23, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, I don't think you did it right.  The way I do it is to use the "move page" function to preserve the history of that talk page.  I reverted and moved the page over and restored the text that was originally on this page. Hbdragon88 20:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's never how I've done it :P. Never mind... --Celestianpower háblame 20:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's two ways of doing it. They're both considered fine, but I like the prior version because it's simpler and it doesn't break links. Everyone has signed their messages so it's fine. And I did it perfectly fine. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it was getting WAY too long to keep track of. Dee man45 00:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: It seems as though every trainer page has a huge, ugly list of all the Pokemon they've ever own.  This just reeks of fancruft - huge detailed summaries of episodes that I don't believe has little intereste for the general visitor.  I attempted to remove the list from the Gary Oak page but was reverted in a rather snide comment:
:Revert. Okay. Looks like "" has lost. "Too detail and encyclopedic"? Oxymoron, anyone? Furthermore, this is the standard for PKMN pages. take it up with without project handles these things. Pitifool." 
But, you know, instead of edit warring, I'd like to bring it up here and see what the actual consensus is, not what appears to be the de facto standard. (As an interesting note, the reverter hasn't listed him/herself as a pariticpant of the PCP either.) Hbdragon88 05:08, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG! They haven't listed themselves? We must ignore them completely then! What happened to equality? I like the lists, Gary's is not needed, neither is Mewtwo's, but people like Ash and May need them. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm just saying that one shouldn't use the PCP to claim authority if they have not publicly identified themselves as being part of the PCP i.e. signing the list. Hbdragon88 07:53, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gawd. You're saying that someone can't use Wikipedia policy to support something because they aren't part of the relevant WikiProject? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  The smuck didn't bring up any Wikipedia policy, but he implied that the PCP was the one who decided on the policy of lists of Pokemon.  I assumed that he was a part of the PPC just doing his job, but he wasn't.  And he didn't cite where the PCP got it. Hbdragon88 22:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's right then. He can say that the PCP decides the style for trainer pages because it's apparent. You don't have to be a member to assert policy, especially if it's common policy. I can say that George Bush decides about America (sure) but I'm not American, should that be denounced? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there are two factors.  He should have either provided a specific link to a discussion regarding the so-called policy, or he should have asserted himself as a member.  If he was a member I would have dropped it, assuming that he had hammered it out already in some other discussion.  If he wasn't, he should have pointed to some policy, which he didn't, which I found strange. Hbdragon88 20:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a WikiProject, not a gentleman's club, we don't have special rights for members. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When did I ever say it was a gentlemen's club?  It was merely my viewpoint.  I naturally give more authority, view the person with more "special rights" if they claim to be part of the particular WikiProject.  You know what?  He should have provided a policy link, loud and clear.  But he shouldn't have just said "oh it's the policy" without linking to a policy or actually being part of the WikiProject associated with the topic. Hbdragon88 20:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Way to go with that prejudice. You shouldn't treat another user's edits and opinions like a second class citizen because they aren't a member. Did you even ask him to provide a source?  Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't disparaging him on the sole basis that he wasn't a member.  If he had provided a source to the policy, I would have accepted it.  But he claimed that it was the policy without providing a source.  And if he isn't a member, he doesn't have anything to back his opinion up.  That doesn't entitle me to completely ignore it, but that destroys all credibility of his claim that it is the policy.  No, I didn't ask, because I decided to ask around here instead of edit warring over it. Hbdragon88 04:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So he was a member and didn't have a source, you wouldn't have bothered about the lack of the source? And generally you should have asked for a source, opposed to dragging it through the mud here. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 11:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, until we reach a consensus on this, let's just keep the tables intact. I repeat, until we reach a consensus. Meanwhile, Hbdragon88, I'm putting Brock's Pokémon tables up again.The Raven's Apprentice(Talk) 11:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought we settled this old issue long ago. The lists suck. Prosify. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops, sorry. i just noticed HighwayCello's comment. You're right. Sorry again.The Raven's Apprentice(Talk) 10:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I was actually against this since the moves were added. The information is quite irrelevant, but some history of the Pokémon they capture would be nice. Also, remember to use the talk pages to link here for discussion on these things. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 05:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the tables on the major characters (Team Rocket, Ash etc) but not on people like Gary or Professor Oak, since there isn't enough information on either of their Pokémon. We have lots of information on Ash's and May's so we could easily make the tables worthwhile. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. Tables are worse than lists and lists are bad in themselves. Follow the lead of List of Johto Gym Leaders please and prosify this stuff. --Celestianpower háblame 10:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the rest of us get an opinion on this? I think it'd be even worse in Ash Ketchum, it'd be a train wreck. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course you do - I should have made it clearer that it's my opinion. I just think that tables are really ugly. If you think prosifying it all would make it too long and hard to read, perhaps some of it need to be reduced? --Celestianpower háblame 17:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, it's been a royally shit day. The stuff that's there now is dire, but some of it's good. I think the section on Charizard is actually good, I think it's copied from the actual article. I'm changing my mind, let's prose it. Ever since someone introduced the wikitables to Team Rocket, all the edits have been new attacks. So yes, I want them prosed - not because I dislike tables, because they promote fanboy edits. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of Pokémon 

message: This project decides on these sorts of things. So let's stop arguing about irrelevant points and decide.
My thoughts? The character articles are awful. The huge Pokémon tables (complete with lists of every single move each Pokémon has used ever) serve little purpose, and have all the problems of bulleted lists, taken to the extreme.
I feel we need to eliminate the lists entirely and replace them with prose. I'm not sure what form that prose should take, but tables and lists are bad ideas, and make these articles look like bad fansites. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually against this since the moves were added. The information is quite irrelevant, but some history of the Pokémon they capture would be nice. Also, remember to use the talk pages to link here for discussion on these things. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 05:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the tables on the major characters (Team Rocket, Ash etc) but not on people like Gary or Professor Oak, since there isn't enough information on either of their Pokémon. We have lots of information on Ash's and May's so we could easily make the tables worthwhile. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I disagree. Tables are worse than lists and lists are bad in themselves. Follow the lead of List of Johto Gym Leaders please and prosify this stuff. --Celestianpower háblame 10:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do the rest of us get an opinion on this? I think it'd be even worse in Ash Ketchum, it'd be a train wreck. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:02, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Of course you do - I should have made it clearer that it's my opinion. I just think that tables are really ugly. If you think prosifying it all would make it too long and hard to read, perhaps some of it need to be reduced? --Celestianpower háblame 17:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry, it's been a royally shit day. The stuff that's there now is dire, but some of it's good. I think the section on Charizard is actually good, I think it's copied from the actual article. I'm changing my mind, let's prose it. Ever since someone introduced the wikitables to Team Rocket, all the edits have been new attacks. So yes, I want them prosed - not because I dislike tables, because they promote fanboy edits. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Actual discussion

message: Is this a real character in Emerald?  From what it appears, this is a one-shot character, one of the many bit players.  Doesn't this article seem ridiculously long for such a small character?  Should this be marked for AFD? Hbdragon88 21:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's to do with Pokémon Adventures. I'll check right now actually. If it is I would leave it, it's the best Adventures article we have. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagreed.  Yellow (Pokémon) and Green (Pokémon) are far more extensive without going into an exhaustive list of all the Pokémon they've ever had. Silver (Pokémon) is also much better than Wanda; well then again I might be biased because that article does have an image, Silver is the secondary rival in the Metal era, and there is discussion about his possible connection to a conversation in FR/LG Hbdragon88 21:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Passing opinions mean nothing. Let it go. Fine not the best article. Don't f*cking care. Is Wanda in the manga or the games? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, that's why I asked here before nominating the article for AFD or turning it into a redirect. Hbdragon88 21:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks like a manga character because of all of the Kanto/Johto references. What I'm thinking it could possibly be is a mutilation of Haruka/Crystal but I'ms still not sure. Anyone else? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was agiven. And they haven't replied. While we're shouting at them, User:Taylor28 has ignored me twice when I asked for something. If you're hiring the mafia, send them round there too? ;) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I give you Ch.219 Whismur and Ch.218 Absol. In the games, I think you have to make her smile... I'm not sure how significant she is but at least there's traces. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 08:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The primary user (who has so far made some 60+ edits to the Wanda article) has had a dubious history of creating articles for his own characters.  He created May Christensen and May Christensen (Pokemon Emerald character), which appeared to be his own creation (the second version said "not to be confused with May").  He also created Sienna Holmes (Pokemon Emerald character).  I knocked all three off with , one of which he removed.  I guessed as much that thi was his own fan creation or extension, but I wanted to check here just in case. Hbdragon88 03:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I asked. Give it two days, then I’ll remove the questionable info and maybe merge it into Wally. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wanda (Pokémon)]] 

message: I'm planning on doing a major clean out of all the Pokémon images since we have cleaner version of images that didn't replace the older ones and bizarrely named random things. I was wondering, is renaming an image exactly the same as moving an article? I didn't want to break anything. If anyone wants to help, they're welcome. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 11:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, I didn’t even know you could rename images. Be sure to re-tag them while you’re at it, the tag most of them use only really applies to images from the pokemon.com website, or,( and this is stretching it) other official sources. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't from I can see. I'm not going to reload 500 images any time soon either. I may request to delete the poorer quality versions though. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: It just hit me that it takes forever to link to a Pokémon-type, so it hit me that redirects could make this easier. So generally I've made a lotta redirects. Anyway, I've only done Water and Fire so far, but if you search for the following it'll link you straight to the type -
* Name-type
* Name type
* Name-types
* Name types
* Name Pokémon
* Name type Pokémon
* Name-type Pokémon  
* Name Pokemon
* Name type Pokemon
* Name-type Pokemon 
I haven't done version without the acute e. Hopefully, this'll make type linking easier. (Help for like.. the other 15 would be appreciated)  Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are we supposed to be creating redirects for that reason? --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 23:36, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, they look useful to me, as in, if someone waned to know about Fire types, they would type "fire types" into the search box, no? --Celestianpower háblame 23:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That and you don't have to link Pokémon types#Fire-type|Fire-type, which I make at least one blip in every time. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 23:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Point taken. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 00:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I dunno. Bypassing redirects where possible is preferred. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well you can still use for searching. And newbie editors can never realise you need to type out Pokémon types#Fire-type|Fire-type. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that’s true. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That might be worth exploring. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those damn types 

message: This article or section contains information about an upcoming Pokémon.It may contain information of a speculative nature and the content may change dramatically as more information becomes available.
I'm thinking we should have such a template, seeing as the  template just doesn't look right in articles for Pokémon such as Manene. Comments? --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 01:22, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... well there’s already a similar template, . -- WikidSmaht (talk) 10:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're only going to have a few (if none) new Pokémon being unveiled so I don't see the point. Unless you use them for the Japanese versions? Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 10:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ... Do you really need to format the way talk pages and other people's talks are written? Anyway, you have about 5-6 Pokémon unveiled at points in time, and there's little other. And in regards to the future game template, that would be best used for Pokémon game articles. In question, even Japanese-revealed Pokémon are important for "future Pokémon notices". --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 11:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Pokémon template? 

message: I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the Team Rocket article has almost no mention of Team Rocket's role in the games. Something needs to be done about it!!! The Raven's Apprentice(Talk) 13:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I referred this here, I reccommend that we split Jessie, James and Meowth and the rest of TR into two articles. Thoughts? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 13:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Splitting it into two articles sounds like a good idea to me as the subject content is different. --Siva1979Talk to me 14:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, take it to a Team Rocket (anime) article, cover all of Team Rocket from the anime there, and only have a small paragraph with a Template:main link in Team Rocket. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okaaayy, but before we split the article, what I'd like to know is-- What's Senor Celestianpower's opinion? The Raven's Apprentice(Talk) 14:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Rocket needs help!! 

message: Three proposals, all regarding templates, and I don’t know much about template syntax so someone else would have to handle them... please respond to each individually.
One: Rewrite . The way it’s written now, it only really applies to images from the pokemon.com website, or,( and this is stretching it) other official sources. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure where that template came from, but, yeah, we should do something with that. I dunno what, though. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea. Someone else do this. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Image:EliteFour-Green.gif
Blue in FR/LG	:Image:EliteFour-Green.gif
Blue in FR/LG
General                      	General
Japanese name           	グリーン (Green)
From                         	Pallet Town, Kanto
Gymleader of            	Viridian City
Gym badge               	Earth Badge
Other affiliation(s)    	Professor Oak’s grandson, one-time Pokémon League Champion
First Appearance             	First Appearance
Video games             	Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Adventures manga	Ch. 01: A Glimpse of the Glow
Pokémon info                 	Pokémon info
Pokémon specialty       	Pokémon Master, various types
Signature Pokémon            	Signature Pokémon
Video games             	Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise, Pidgeot, Alakazam, Rhydon, Arcanine/Gyarados/Exeggutor
Pokémon Adventures manga	Charizard, Scizor, Porygon2, Golduck, Rhydon, Machamp
Gary Oak                 	Gary Oak
80px
Blue in FR/LG       	80px
Blue in FR/LG
General                  	General
Japanese name       	Shigeru Ōkido
Voiced by           	[whoever it is]
From                     	Pallet Town, Kanto
Other affiliation(s)	Professor Oak’s grandson
First Appearance         	First Appearance
Video games         	Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon anime       	Pokémon, I Choose You!
Pokémon info             	Pokémon info
Pokémon specialty   	Pokémon researcher, former League trainer
Signature Pokémon        	Signature Pokémon
Video games         	Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon, Sandslash, Exeggutor, Alakazam, Magneton/Ninetales/Cloyster
Pokémon anime       	Eevee/Umbreon, Blastoise, Aerodactyl
Would someone like to tackle this( I didn’t create the ones above, I mashed together parts of the existing ones)? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I am impressed. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. Sounds like a plan. I'll get on that ASAP; I'll be adapting . Someone want to volunteer to replace the old templates in the articles, once I've made the new one? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I too am impressed by this. Great work! --Siva1979Talk to me 06:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If it's for the anime, perhaps a box with "Main Pokémon", like Umbreon for Gary and Pikachu for Ash? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's for the games, anime, and manga, and anything like that worth mentioning will be mentioned in the intro anyway. It won't apply to too many characters (pretty much just the protagonists). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Three proposals

message: Three: Merge , , and any others like them into an all-purpose , something like this:
                              	
                              	
General                       	General
Japanese name            	
Voiced by*               	
From*                         	, *
Gymleader of*            	
Gym badge*               	
Other affiliation(s)     	
First Appearance              	First Appearance
Video games*             	
Pokémon anime*           	
Pokémon Adventures manga*	Ch. :
Pokémon info                  	Pokémon info
Pokémon specialty        	
Signature Pokémon*            	Signature Pokémon*
Video games*             	
Pokémon anime*           	
Pokémon Adventures manga*	
Items I’ve marked with an asterisk would ideally be optional, hidden when not used. Most of those are self explanatory, but for clarity: From - [hometown, ]country/region, e.g., Littleroot, Hoenn / Orange Islands / U.S.A; Other affiliation(s) - things like Kanto/Johto/Hoenn Elite Four, League Champion(/former Champion), etc.; Pokémon specialty - Either a type or another function, e.g. Water-type trainer, Pokémon watcher, Po kémon breeder, Pokémon researcher, etc.. For example, Blue and Gary Oak:
Blue                         	Blue
:Image:EliteFour-Green.gif
Blue in FR/LG	:Image:EliteFour-Green.gif
Blue in FR/LG
General                      	General
Japanese name           	グリーン (Green)
From                         	Pallet Town, Kanto
Gymleader of            	Viridian City
Gym badge               	Earth Badge
Other affiliation(s)    	Professor Oak’s grandson, one-time Pokémon League Champion
First Appearance             	First Appearance
Video games             	Pokémon Red and Blue
Pokémon Adventures manga	Ch. 01: A Glimpse of the Glow
Pokémon info                 	Pokémon info
Pokémon specialty       	Pokémon Master, various types
Signature Pokémon            	Signature Pokémon
Video games             	Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise, Pidgeot, Alakazam, Rhydon, Arcanine/Gyarados/Exeggutor
Pokémon Adventures manga	Charizard, Scizor, Porygon2, Golduck, Rhydon, Machamp
Gary Oak                 	Gary Oak
80px
Blue in FR/LG       	80px
Blue in FR/LG
General                  	General
Japanese name       	Shigeru Ōkido
Voiced by           	[whoever it is]
From                     	Pallet Town, Kanto
Other affiliation(s)	Professor Oak’s grandson
First Appearance         	First Appearance
Video games         	Pokémon Yellow
Pokémon anime       	Pokémon, I Choose You!
Pokémon info             	Pokémon info
Pokémon specialty   	Pokémon researcher, former League trainer
Signature Pokémon        	Signature Pokémon
Video games         	Vaporeon/Jolteon/Flareon, Sandslash, Exeggutor, Alakazam, Magneton/Ninetales/Cloyster
Pokémon anime       	Eevee/Umbreon, Blastoise, Aerodactyl
Would someone like to tackle this( I didn’t create the ones above, I mashed together parts of the existing ones)? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 13:29, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am impressed. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:10, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. Sounds like a plan. I'll get on that ASAP; I'll be adapting . Someone want to volunteer to replace the old templates in the articles, once I've made the new one? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I too am impressed by this. Great work! --Siva1979Talk to me 06:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If it's for the anime, perhaps a box with "Main Pokémon", like Umbreon for Gary and Pikachu for Ash? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's for the games, anime, and manga, and anything like that worth mentioning will be mentioned in the intro anyway. It won't apply to too many characters (pretty much just the protagonists). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Pokémon character infobox

message: 
Any thoughts? Anyone want another sample case? Any suggested fields?- A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's for the anime, perhaps a box with "Main Pokémon", like Umbreon for Gary and Pikachu for Ash? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 06:58, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's for the games, anime, and manga, and anything like that worth mentioning will be mentioned in the intro anyway. It won't apply to too many characters (pretty much just the protagonists). - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Testing out {{tl|Pokémoncharacterinfobox}}

message: :::Should I try basing an anime episode thing of one? Since apparently our episodes are here to say. Oh and linked all the images since they're fair use. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 07:15, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh. I was planning to merge the episodes into a list next time I felt like dealing with that sort of nonsense. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad example, but should we have something like List of Kim Possible episodes? That's the best anime episode list I've even, but I still think the earlier episodes should have their own pages. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you explain why they should have their own articles without using the word "deserve"? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The earlier articles are worthy (yeah ;) of their own articles (perhaps in a couple big articles) because of their wider appeal (compared to the new ones) and their knock on affects to the games later on. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:03, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be easier to do articles by series, then? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Should we do it by region, or by title change. Either way, the articles will be grossly unequal. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd do it, we'd probably need to have a style guide for them, but I'd be happy to do it. Should we do it by season or area, or just every so-and-so number of episodes? Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, definitely by series or season. (Region-based ordering is sort of non-Pokémon-fan unfriendly.) And any plot summaries over a para per ep are too long. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tangential anime episode discussion

message: I was just updating the Poké infobox count on AMIB's Poképage and I noticed we have introduced the new infobox in the 198 articles. (There's irony for you ;). 
Articles with old box (if anyone is painfully bored) -
* Slowking
* Swinub
* Wingull
* <S>Surskit

* Slakoth
* Ninjask
* Swalot
* Carvanha
* Numel
* Cacturne
* Corphish
* Lileep
* Armaldo
* Luvdisc
* Bagon
Oh and think we should add some extra article rules which I'll write down soon. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Knocked off Slowking. One question though.  How should the pronounciation part of the infobox be handled?  The style guide doesn't specify anything on it. PCEevee 21:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We ditched it. I shall write the new guidelines tomorrow, I'm writing my blog. Thanks, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 21:56, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the box to Swinub, Wingull and Surskit.The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 12:22, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed Slakoth, Ninjask, and Swalot. PCEevee 19:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the say the right information doesn't get things done. ; ) Nice job everyone, I am seriously impressed (trudges off to practice piano) Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Finished Numel, Cacturne, Corphish. PCEevee 23:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm recently doing some tweaking, and I fixed a few of these. It was Onix that I've fixed, and I'm prepared to do more of them. I'll start on Bagon, and I'll add ones I find to the list you provided. I've noticed, also, alot of words are emboldended when they should be italicized. But Infoboxes are something we can do to a later date, our main focus should be to make all Pokémon Articles follow the structure of WP:PAC/S. I've been doing some tweaking of that sort recently......--XenoNeon (converse) 17:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Changed Lileep. The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 08:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Damn, beat me too it...... --XenoNeon (converse) 18:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mwahahah! ; ) We still have work - march :P Highway Rainbow Sneakers 18:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokémon Infoboxes 

message: # The Pokémon Portal says that PCP's current focus articles are Marshtomp and Pokémon Red and Blue; while the Project Page says they're Marshtomp and Pokémon. (I'm going to fix that right now, though.)
# How long is a week anyway? Squirtle's been the Selected Pokémon of the Week for about a month now.
# The Did You Know section, starting with 'This week all our fun facts', hasn't been updated for ages. So should I remove the week reference or is someone coming up with a new batch of trivia?
Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Call) 11:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "maintenance" that can be a problem, one of the reasons why I removed "of the week" from "Selected Pokémon of the Week", to which I'll do now again. As for the portal, most of the focus is actually on the article, but leaving some responsibility there should be something. Hm. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 13:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's my fault, apologies. After the pictures got removed from the portal it just started to depress me completely, and I let it go. Frankly, I need as many GFDL/commons images as possible, otherwise I can't do it to what it deserves. Do people want me to start doing it again? (It takes a ton of time to do - I could actually use someone to help) I was doing it for a while, and then the pictures disappeared so I don't know. Thoughts? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things the Project Should have Taken Care of 

message: Can someone who uses popups or a similar tool please hit this and bypass all the redirects? Lots of character articles have been moved or merged or redirected, and this is pointing to plenty of redirects and such. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:08, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there is a bot that does this, can we just ask to send it through the article? Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 15:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Pokémon characters]] 

message: Right, as above, Butch and Cassidy have been given their own page. Of course naturally, it's managed to make a complete mess when it comes to links, so I need an admin's help.
* The original article was at Butch and Cassidy (Pokemon) - without the é
* Butch and Cassidy originally relinked to Team Rocket
* I moved Butch and Cassidy (Pokemon) to Butch and Cassidy (Pokémon) - with the é
* I redirected Butch and Cassidy to Butch and Cassidy (Pokémon)
I need someone to move Butch and Cassidy (Pokémon) to Butch and Cassidy, something only an admin can do. Thank you in advance. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 13:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Cel. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 16:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butch and Cassidy 

message: WOAH! I usually don’t respond on this page until I’m ready to reply to everything, but this is fairly urgent. I feel you’re going about this Rocket Project all wrong! And it’s NOT what was proposed. You had proposed spinning off the anime information from the Team Rocket article( well, the specific terminolgy used was “split … into two articles”). This is something else entirely! Devoting Team Rocket to Jessie, James and Meowth!? Deleting all mention of TR in the games and manga? Creating Team Rocket Organization? Giving Butch and Cassidy their own page? I vehemently oppose these actions!( And I realize it’s not all you Highway, there’s an editor I know nothing about doing most of it.) Here’s my proposal:Move Team Rocket to Team Rocket (anime)( which will require an admin to delete the redirect I foolishly created there). Then cut & paste non-anime info from current and old versions and Team Rocket Organization back into to Team Rocket, including a few paragraphs about the anime in a section with the  template. Then Merge Butch and Cassidy back into Team Rocket (anime).At any rate, let’s not make any more changes until we reach a new concensus. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 19:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I was trying to work with consensus. Personally, I think Team Rocket should be devoted to JJM, they are the most relevant part of the organization, or Team Rocket anyway. Butch and Cassidy just was a mess, so I asked for it to be fixed, before we did more re-jiggling. Team Rocket Organization is an awful title, and needs cleanup. We should probably merge Giovanni with Team Rocket, or at least give it more coverage. Perhaps, split the anime version of the Giovanni along JJM (in Team Rocket) and the character in the games/manga (it's never been mentioned, but Giovanni led the original Team Rocket attack, and later captured Deoxys in the Seveii Islands.) Thoughts? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 19:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess what I’m trying to say is, we should think of “Team Rocket” as a character, a single entity, and write the Team Rocket article like all the other character articles are written: Talk about them in the games, mention the character they inspired in the anime, and then talk about them in the manga.( The only difference being that unlike Blue/Gary Oak, they have the same name in all formats.) Here’s the structure I envision for Team Rocket:[Intro]==In the video games==[There’s a lot too be said here, but not so much as to be too much]==In the Anime==Main article: Team Rocket (anime)[A few paragraphs describing Jessie, James, and Meowth, mentioning their hunting of Pikachu, their boss, and their rivals briefly.]==In the Pokémon Adventures manga==[Again, there is enough, but not too much, to say about TR’s members and their activites, with a subsection for...]===Neo Team Rocket===[A bit about NTR, Mask of Ice, etc.] And we could merge Giovanni, but I personally recommend against it. That article has a lot of biographical info, and all the Kanto Gymleaders have their own articles. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 20:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we should probably let others comment on the issue too... And because I stupidly created that redirect we have to wait for Cp or AMIB to delete it anyway... Let’s brainstorm a bit... The Video games section should address their schemes that the player has to foil... Let’s see... In the first generation that’s Mt. Moon... Celadon... Saffron... and the Sevii Islands. In the 2nd gen, Slowpoke Well, Lake of Rage... what else? Then the manga section... Viridian Forest, Mt. Moon, Vermillion port, Lavender Tower, Saffron siege... did I miss any? Then the team-ups on Cerise in Yellow Caballero... I’m still reading the G/S/C saga( last volumes of it arrived from Singapore today) but there’s always the serebii.net summaries for NTR info. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 20:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Giovanni reformed Team Rocket in the Sevii Islands in the Battle Frontier saga I think. He created/caught Deoxys there, that's notable, it was the rebuild of Team Rocket. Don't forget the evil Gym-leaders, Surge, Sabrina, Blaine. There was a TR Grunt in Pokémon Gold, but I don't think it was notable. Would you count the Viridian Gym as an area, it was Giovanni's last stand. And in Pokémon Gold and Silver there was the Radio Tower. Anything else? Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean about the grunt? -- WikidSmaht (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a minor grunt in Cereluan(sp) City, nothing major. The main areas were Slowpoke Well, Lake of Rage and the Radio Tower. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 08:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Pleaase delete the redir at Team Rocket (anime) so that Team Rocket can be moved there. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. You know, you can always tag that sort of thing with  and any admin watching CSD will nail it for you. That's a clearcut CSD G6. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 07:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Doi, I am stupid, I should have remembered that. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 08:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Considered that, but at the time, I wasn’t sure it qualified as noncontroversial. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 08:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Almost forgot: I put the Adventures stuff in Team Rocket, but I felt it made more sense to leave the stuff about the anime-based manga in the Team Rocket (anime) article. -- WikidSmaht (talk) 17:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TR split - hang on!