Talk:Minor-planet designation

message: Are my choices of examples to controversial? The intent was to show reasonably well-known objects with MPC Numbers, but I'm not sure if Pluto is too controversial - perhaps Eris would be better for now? Adam Cuerden talk 15:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Pluto is fine as an example. The only point to consider is to make sure that it is distinguished from the main planets — i.e. they don't have MPC numbers, and Pluto has only recently been given one due to its recategorization. aLii 15:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Aye. Probably not something that will get settled in its title until things have calmed down, though - if we can all get this upset over Ceres... Ach, well. If anyone dislikes it, there's something like 150,000 others to choose from. Adam Cuerden talk 16:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ceres, Eris and Pluto are bad examples to use here, because it is disputed whether they are minor planets at all (despite Pluto being given a designation by the MPC), and this article is about minor planet (not dwarf planet) naming etc. It is possible to avoid the controversy entirely by choosing as an example an object that no-one doubts is a minor planet (like Sedna, which is what I used). --Cuddlyopedia 06:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, but I thought dwarf planet was a class of minor planet? Drat, though: Just after I explained Eris' code. What's Sedna's? I'll rewrite the section. Adam Cuerden talk 06:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Blame the IAU (who else) for the confusion. Resolution 5A said that small solar-system bodies included "most asteroids", which means that there has to be at least one asteroid that isn't an SSSB, and the only candidate was Ceres. But in a Q&A on the IAU site  at Q12 we get: "Ceres is (or now we can say it was) the largest asteroid...". You pays your money.... --Cuddlyopedia 09:00, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Examples

message: Should it be "Minor Planet Number", "Minor planet number" or "MPC Number"? For that matter, "Number" or "Numbers"? Should all of these be redirects? Adam Cuerden talk 15:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

message: I've made a major change of focus, and may have moved into controversial territory, though I hope the last line of the opening mitigates this somewhat. Can we discuss changes here, howeevr, as if we hedge too much we could end up getting really confusing quickly. Adam Cuerden talk 18:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edit

message: Here's the options so far, and a few minor variations. Might as well collect them all, give some time for other options to be added, and, as I don't think there's huge dislike for any of the options (save maybe Minor planet names), we'll probably come up with something acceptable to all. Adam Cuerden talk 12:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the occasional dispute over what is or is not a designation or name, I suggest a title that incorporates both is preferable (and the article covers both). That leaves 6 and 7 or your initial list, and I've added an eighth (though I'm leaning towards Minor planet nomenclature). --Cuddlyopedia 09:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure what Minor planet denomination means. Adam Cuerden talk 12:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Collecting options

message: From what I understand, Vesta is the "name", and (4) Vesta is the "designation". If so, could s.o. correct the article accordingly? We have people saying e.g. the  article can't say "Haumea, formally (136108) Haumea", because the latter is not the name, but the link here does not support that. kwami (talk) 02:36, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've done it, and moved the article accordingly. kwami (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  names vs. designations 

message: Can someone who understand Slovak and Czech confirm that :cs:Označení planetek and :sk:Označenie planétok are about the same topic? Then add them to interlanguage links of this article. Thanks! Damouns (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interlanguage links 

message: I've been using  to alphabetize dwarf planets and other minor planets by their given name (if they have one), rather than by their minor planet number (MPN); because minor planets, at least the better known ones, are usually called by their given name only, e.g. “Vesta” rather than “4 Vesta”. Thus,  or  (see Sedna, Salacia). (Obviously, the articles “Ceres (dwarf planet)”, “Eris (dwarf planet)”, or “Pluto”, because of the article title, need no DEFAULTSORT.) Also, the given name can begin with any of 26 characters (discounting accented vowels, etc.), whereas the MPN can only begin with one of 10 characters (assuming MPN < 100,000 means that the first character is 0). Thus, alphabetizing by given name results in more possible initial characters, preventing clutter in the alphabetic lists. Okay?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 23:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetization 

message: The article mentions TX 300, complete with the awkward subscript -- but what's it mean, where'd it come from? 300th object in 2002?Feldercarb (talk) 16:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See provisional designation in astronomy. It's the 25×300 + 23 = 7523th object discovered in the half-month of 1–15 October 2002. Double sharp (talk) 08:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: What's the TX 300 thingie

message: I don't where this article points out that the prefix number is intended to be optional. Some media sources use the number to make it appear that they are of a scientific bent. Kortoso  (talk) 16:24, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numbers optional 

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:Minor planet designation →  – Per WP:HYPHEN. Following our guidelines at the MOS, "minor planet designation" would be a minor designation of planets, "minor-planet designation" a designation of minor planets. People often claim COMMONNAME for things like this, but we generally allow the MOS to determine issues of formatting like hyphenation except when a phrase is fully lexicalized (like "high school"). That's not the case here, and in any case it appears that the hyphen agrees with IAU and MPC usage.
The MPC seldom bothers using the phrase; in context, they just refer to "temporary/permanent designations". The full phrase generally only appears when a contrast needs to be made, as here in the IAU/MPC naming guidelines, where they disambiguate minor-planet designation/number from comet designation/number:
:4.4  If the minor-planet designation was published before the realization is made that the object is a comet, the comet will retain the minor-planet designation.  Otherwise, a new comet designation will be assigned.
:4.5  If the object receives a permanent minor-planet number prior to its recognition as a comet, it shall be accorded "dual status".  As such, it both retains the permanent minor-planet number and receives a new periodic-comet number.
Here, discussing those guidelines, and here, discussing Pluto, they have hyphenated "minor-planet designation", "minor-planet number" and "permanent-number designation". But sometimes they omit the hyphen (one instance of 'minor planet number' on the Pluto article); they're occasionally inconsistent with hyphens in other phrases as well. Such instances appear to be typos that just need a bit of copy-editing.
Again with the comet-designation contrast here, 'Accessing Comets with Minor-Planet Designations'. — kwami (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 September 2021