Talk:Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy

message: She isn't styled Honourable Lady Ogilvy so I moved back to here, Princess Alexandra of Kent. Astrotrain 20:32, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
:Has her style changed, then? Proteus (Talk) 20:44, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, pre-marital names are used of certain consorts when they themselves are dead. Such as dead queens. I doubt that Alexandra even is one of such consorts who reverses to pre-marital name on basis of that nomenclature rule. (Though I am somewhat against using the unnecessarily lengthening Hon L Ogilvy, let's however be honest how to use the "pre-marital convention".) 217.140.193.123 18:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Debrett's Correct Form has "the Hon. Lady Ogilvy" on the end of her style, and see this page on the Royal website. Princesses always add the "lowly" styles of their husbands on to the end of their Royal styles ("HRH The Princess Anne, Mrs Mark Phillips", for instance). As to your second paragraph, that's simply not true. Proteus (Talk) 21:10, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: It would be good if here in Wikipedia editors would omit titulary as much as the Court Circular - at least from article headings. IMO there is no need to put everything ionto the heading, a simpler version would be good. 217.140.193.123 18:10, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: From her marriage to Angus Ogilvy to his being created a knight in 1989, she was styled "HRH Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy."
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"The QUEEN has been pleased [...] to re-appoint Her Royal Highness Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy, G.C.V.O. (President), to be..." 
"PRINCESS ALEXANDRA, THE HONOURABLE MRS. ANGUS OGILVY has been pleased to make the following appointments to Her Royal Highness's household..." 
"Her Majesty The QUEEN is graciously pleased to order the following appointment: H.R.H. Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Mrs. Angus Ogilvy, G.C.V.O., ..."
*Sorry, forgot to show the source for that one. Matjlav 18:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Styles according to London Gazette. 

message: This image is not marked as fair use and its source is unavailable. Can its status please be clarified? Johnleemk | Talk 09:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Image:Alexandra independence.jpg]] 

message: The description of the labels on the coat of arms does not match the illustration (central label is a cross of St. George rather than a heart). I believe the illustration is correct and the description is wrong.
80.216.67.89 14:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake in the arms 

message: Articles should never include styles in their title, and this page is at first glance the only one to do so.. WP:NCNT gives some guidance on how to name articles on royals. The section "Other royals" clearly states in point 3: "Do not use styles as part of a title of an article". Now, the simple removal of the style from the article name (changing it to Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy" was reversed as "wrong", even though it is used regularly by reliable sources (e.g. the National Portrait Gallery). I have no particular preference for this title though, I can live just as well with Princess Alexandra of Kent or Princess Alexandra with a disambiguation added. I suppose the people interested in this article can decide what the best name for this article would be, provided that they stick to the Wikipedia guidelines. All suggestions are welcome. Fram (talk) 13:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Princess Alexandra of Kent" is incorrect, as this was her pre-maritial style. She is now correctly known as "Princess Alexandra, The Honourable Lady Ogilvy". With Royalty "reliable" sources are often wrong - even the broadsheets and BBC called Diana "Princess Diana". Yes we should not use "HRH" or "HM" in article titles, but to say we shouldn't use "The Honourable" is riduclous. She is not correclty styled "Lady Ogilvy" and it is misleading to to suggest she is. It would be like calling Diana "Princess Diana". She's simply not.--UpDown (talk) 18:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, and this is the only one to do so because there is no other member of the British Royal Family (or has there ever been I believe), who was an HRH and married an Honourable - in other words, Alexandra is the only person who has this style. I agree that the younger son of a baron should not have Honourable in their article title, but this is different.--UpDown (talk) 18:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If she gets "The Honourable" because she married a man who had that style, why didn't she become "The Right Honourable Lady Ogilvy" when he acquired that style a few years before his death?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 03:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with you. The article of Mark Thatcher is not named "The Honourable Sir Mark Thatcher" either. --Clithering (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

text:  Her husband became the Right Honourable because he was appointed to the privy council. The style of privy councillors isn't transferred by marriage like the styles of being the son of a noble.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.10.157 (talk) 13:06, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sir Angus Ogilvy was indeed "The Hon" from birth, but his article is plain Angus Ogilvy.  So, why does his wife/widow get "the Hon" in her article title?  Remember, we're not debating about anyone's style in real life; just the title of the Wikipedia article about them.  Our protocols rule here.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anyone?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 06:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, given the lack of response, I've been WP:BOLD and moved it to "Princess Alexandra, Lady Ogilvy".  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 04:34, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  But now it's been moved back.  User:DBD, let us please discuss this and sort this issue out once and for all.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:06, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh well, if you don't want to defend your position, that's ok by me.  I've moved it back to where it should be.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 13:21, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  And now User:DBD has reverted me again, once more without entering into this discussion.  I've asked him on his talk page to stop edit warring, and either revert himself or come here and explain his position in a more compelling way than "correct style" (in his edit summary).  And I've foreshadowed further action if he does not do this.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 00:39, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

text: Thanks for that.  Can you explain to me why this is "inaccurate"?  Can you answer my question above: Sir Angus Ogilvy was indeed "The Hon" from birth, but his article is plain Angus Ogilvy.  So, why does his wife/widow get "the Hon" in her article title?  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 09:42, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh yeah, sure; of course. It's because when we refer to Angus Ogilvy (and create an article at his common name, obeying MOS rules re: The Rt Hon and Sir) we are using a common name rather than a precise style. Contrariwise, Alexandra's article is currently placed at her correct style (less HRH because of MOS article title limitations) in order to dab her from other Princesses Alexandra. If we were attempting instead to put her at her common name, it would be Princess Alexandra (see my above comment). DBD 17:12, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct name of article 

message: This section reads as though it has had part of it cut out  -  presumably a reference to her daughter Marina's controversial marriage. Unless Marina is to have an article of her own, I think it would be appropriate to update us here on her later life. 86.138.158.107 (talk) 16:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Troubles 

message: : Angus Ogilvy remained in line to the Earldom of Airlie until his death.
Why is this worth mentioning? It's exceedingly rare to lose such a position. —Tamfang (talk) 20:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Airlie remainder 

message: Some - notably Michael De-La-Noy in 'The Honours System' (Allison & Busby, London, 1985, p.44) - contend that her correct style as the daughter of a duke should be Princess Alexandra, Lady Alexandra Ogilvy. (If this is correct the same applies to Princess Anne, whose subsidiary style should be Lady Anne Laurence.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winehoff (talk • contribs) 09:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style 

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message: Does anyone know the guidelines for a credible source? According to Nicholas Davies' "A Woman Who is NOT Amused", a bio of Queen Elizabeth II, the Duke of Edinburgh and Princess Alexandra, the Lady Ogilvy had a sexual affair for thirty or more years. Is this a credible enough source to add to her page or idle gossip? There seeems to be trimming of Wikipedia articles regarding such things to ensure an "offical" line from the Royal Family, regardless of whether the information is credible. What is the standard?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.69.127.200 (talk) 01:41, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  affair with Philip??? 

message: Judging from the Court Circular, I would say it's reasonably safe to assume the Princess Alexandra has gone into retirement or semi-retirement. She has not had more than a handful of engagements listed in the Circular in the last six months. Similar to her brother, the Duke of Kent, who's recovering from stroke; why do we people think he rode in the Queen's carriage in place of the Duke of Edinburgh? Answer: After a stroke, it's difficult to successfully mount and ride a horse for the length of time necessary. 67.247.138.165 (talk) 02:30, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "retirement?" 

message: Both Princess Beatrice and Princess Victoria were dead by the time Elizabeth II ascended the throne, Beatrice in 1944 and Victoria in 1935. The only senior female royals then were: The Queen, the Queen Mother, the Princess Margaret, the Duchess of Gloucester, the Dowager Duchess of Kent, Princess Mary, Princess Royal and Countess of Harewood and Princess Alice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.32.161 (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a fairly doubtful claim,  as Queen Mary was still alive when Elizabeth II ascended the throne.Lathamibird (talk) 07:30, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

text: I've changed it to 15. Thanks! Celia Homeford (talk) 07:00, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victoria  

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message: What does the section "Issue" refer to in this context, and can it be stated more simply or linked to an explanation? Hyeoman (talk) 06:53, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: it's being used in the sense of 'progeny', or 'all lineal descendants'. See definitions at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/issue#Noun. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue 

message: Article Succession to the British throne states that number 63 (and last) of the succession to the British throne is Zenouska Mowatt born in 1990. King George V's youngest son was Prince George (Duke of Kent). And his youngest child is Princess Alexandra (The Honourable Lady Ogilvy). And she gave birth to Marina Ogilvy who gave birth to Zenouska Mowatt. (As of the mentioned article and as I understand it). How to solve this issue regarding our articles is not something I've thought of. However I find it wrong to link a person's name to the article on her grandmother. 83.250.73.248 (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zenouska Mowatt exists. 

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message: I was thinking her infobox image could be changed to an older image following her death, similar to other members of the royal family. Moreover, we should plan this now as she is growing old and bringing most of her public appearances down.
Option A: 
Option B: 
We can crop Option B as needed. There is one that is already cropped; however, it's lower quality than the one I attached.Option A is an image I actually found on Pinterest, and is evidently probably from 1952, pre-coronation, she looks impressively young in the portrait. I couldn't find matching images on TinEye, Getty Images, or Alamy.
Please vote.
Thanks,
BillClinternet (talk) 17:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should go with A; more formal and better framed. We'll discuss it in detail when the time comes. Keivan.fTalk 04:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Alexandra's infobox image following her death (edit: she's not dead)