Talk:Lesbian science fiction

message: This series of edits by User:TheRedPenOfDoom was clearly meant to remove any external links which contained the word lesbian and given the user's comments above, along with the misleading edit summaries, was not only pointy but as close to vandalism as one can get. It was certainly disruptive. Gwen Gale (talk) 03:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not vandalism, just a difference of opinion - please assume good faith, at least until after a talk page discusion :-). I re-removed one two of the links (post-stonewall & Golden crown), as they seems to cover all lesbian literature, and say very little about science fiction. Nb, the subject of the article is SF, with lesbian as a modifying adjective.Yobmod (talk) 08:25, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated in the edit summaries, the links did not meet my interpretation of the guidelines for external links. Either not being reliably sourced (Links to Avoid #11 "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority.") or links not on the topic of the article (Lesbianism in Science Fiction) (Links to Avoid #13 "Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject: the link should be directly related to the subject of the article") and open wikis (Links to Avoid #12 "Links to open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors.") (in the last 30 days there have been a total of 6 edits by 3 editors). -- The Red Pen of Doom 08:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: http://www.lesbiansciencefiction.com/ appears to be a personal website should be removed as well. -- The Red Pen of Doom 08:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Personal web-sites are allowed, no? It's an ex link, not a ref. Someone has to write them! :-). If it's useful, i would say keep regardless of where it comes from. The removal of the feminism wiki i agre with though - it has less coverage of it topics than we do.Yobmod (talk) 08:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Links to Avoid #11 - it is not clear who the author of the site is and whether or not the author is a recognized expert in the field of Lesbianism and Science Fiction.-- The Red Pen of Doom 09:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: But the guidline says "normally". As wikipedia doesn't have a "List of lesbian SF" article, it provides very useful info to readers. Also it is pretty comprehensive, and probably better than any wiki-list would ever be. Hence i find it useful anough to "abnormally" keepYobmod (talk) 09:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough reasoning. -- The Red Pen of Doom 18:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

text: You keep making that claim and have not provided any reasoning to back it up. Why cant the umbrella article of LGBT Speculative Fiction cover Lesbianism in Science Fiction? (Please answer in above section, this section should remain about external links so we dont have duplicative conversations.)-- The Red Pen of Doom 00:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of external links

message: Regarding the redirect of "lesbian science fiction" to "Homosexuality in speculative fiction": Things move on as they will, but I'd like to note that "lesbian science fiction" has a distinctive publishing history that is not currently reflected in the article, coming out of the women's movement in the 1970s.  Naiad Press and a variety of other women's presses published SF (often fantasy). While the existence of women-only worlds is mentioned in the article, there's a real thematic difference between, say, Ammonite by Nicola Griffith and the more women's movement and lesbian romance novels published by Jane Fletcher, Jean Stewart, Naiad Press, Bella Books, and so on. (cross-posted on Talk:Homosexuality in speculative fiction) --Lquilter (talk) 13:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect of Lesbian SF to Homosexuality in SF