Talk:East New York, Brooklyn

message: Please clarify:
* What you mean by "dramatic turnaround."  The description of the neighborhood as given is still very bleak; is it somehow better than it used to be?  Worse?  How?  It's not explained.
* What does "prior to 15 years ago" mean?  Do you mean "in the last 15 years"?  "Prior to" means "before."  If the turnaround occurred more than 15 years ago, just say when it occurred. Moncrief 00:22, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
:I also don't understand "dramatic turnaround", seems like a misnomer to me. I was born there and my parents moved us out in 1964. 
The decline in crime-while perceptible-is not as dramatic as some people would like to portray.
:The neighborhood is still home to the most crime-ridden, deadliest police precinct in the city, and several weeks after the New York Times' Metro section ran a flattering portrait about the neighborhood-portraying it as the next Park Slope, Williamsburg, Red Hook, etc., in other words, a hub for potential gentrification-nearly a dozen people were murdered over the course of one weekend. Ruthfulbarbarity 01:22, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although crime in the neighborhood has has gone down it is still very high. Most of the housing in the neighborhood does not cost 759k either. That newer market rate housing is bought as an investment by investors and rented out to the community. Most of the newer townhouses built over the years are subsidized and much of the housing is only for the low income demographic. Most of the people rent in this community and cannot afford high prices. People who can afford those prices are not willing to live in East NY. Crime and other social issues are still big problems in East NY. The majority of people living in the community are struggling economically.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwiki718 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dramatic Turnaround?

message: When and how were the new unfair import-export rates imposed? Did they have a role in the decline of manufacturing? It needs a specific link for the specific law or time, rather than a generic one for international trade.
Jim.henderson 21:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Import Export

message: Flatbush Avenue goes to southeastern Brooklyn. Gerritson Beach and maybe even Canarsie are in southeastern Brooklyn. But East New York and City Line are in eastern Brooklyn not southeastern.
Jim.henderson 04:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Southeast Brooklyn? East New York is located in East Brooklyn

message: I didn't put in the now deleted plug, and agree that it didn't belong as being too much an advertisement.  I do think there ought to a link to an advertising site for the association, and have inserted one, hoping someone else can replace it with a better one.
Jim.henderson 21:34, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gardeners Association

message: This entry repeats one of the most basic, but common and oft retold, errors about the community which it purports to describe.
The area historically has been the Town of New Lots (the residents separating themselves from those who lived in the "old lots" of Flatbush). The social center of the community was along New Lots Road (later widened to New Lots Avenue), where the Dutch Reform Church long has been located. Farms extended north and south of New Lots Road. The Jamaica Plank (Toll) Road at the north end of the town was a major east-west thoroughfare for the transporation of goods from Long Island to downtown Brooklyn. Liberty Avenue was another less extensive local east-west thoroughfare for which no toll was imposed.
The term "East New York" came into being when a real estate speculator envisioned a residential development which would rival New York (City). He bought farm land in New Lots, Bushwick, and Brownsville for the purposes of this speculative venture centered at what is now the Broadway Junction. For marketing purposes, he self-named the proposed development "East New York" to entice those who lived in New York (Manhattan) to move eastward. Given financial conditions at the time, his venture failed and he sold most of the land he purchased back to the farmers. He later developed Woodhaven, Queens which had the necessary existing industry to support his proposed housing.
The Town of New Lots later was designated the 26th Ward and subsequently Brooklyn Community District #5.
Different sections of the Town of New Lots subsequently were known by subcommunity names. When residential development did eventually come to New Lots, the northwest corner was referred to by some as "East New York". The northeast corner was referred to by some as "Cypress Hills". The area adjoining Queens county was referred to by some as "City Line". The southeast corner was referred to by some eponymously as "The Old Mill". There were no definite boundaries for these names within New Lots. For much of the early part of the last century, the southern part of New Lots was sparsely developed, consisting of the marshy areas adjoining Jamaica Bay.
The term "East New York" became more codified by the United States Postal Service. New Lots was divided into two postal zones. The western zone was designated 11207 and the Post Office named "East New York". The eastern zone was designated 11208 and the Post Office named "New Lots". The dividing line of the postal zones is Ashford Street.
As the entry notes, New Lots underwent a seismic population shift with those with any historical recollection of, and connection to, the historical community relocating elsewhere and being replaced with those without any institutional memory (this phenomenon has been documented in an article about the same phenomenon in sections of the Bronx). Since the northwestern portion of New Lots was the most built up and thus the area in which most of the urban decay took place, media accounts of the events identified the area as "East New York". New residents assumed that this sectional name which they read in the media was the name of the entire area into which they had moved and began erroneously referring to the entire area in which they lived generally as "East New York".
When Starrett City was proposed, it was marketed as "Brooklyn, the way it used to be" (before urban decay). It was believed that for the project to be successful it needed to be marketed as completely separate from the name "East New York" which was synonymous with urban decay. The new residents began to refer to their section of New Lots as Starrett City.
Towards the end of the twentieth century, in return for developmental rights in Manhattan, a builder was required to construct low income housing. The location of the project was designated to be in the southwestern part of New Lots. Again, to separate the new development from the perjorative name "East New York", it was named "Spring Creek" - from the name of the body of water that once existed nearby. For a time, it became fashionable for some to identify the area south of Linden Boulevard as "Spring Creek", even those areas which had no physical relationship to Spring Creek - which was an offshoot to the larger body of water, viz., the Old Mill Creek.
However, the "Spring Creek" housing development over time began to experience the same social issues that long had been associated with "East New York". As new development was proposed south of Linden Boulevard, it was felt necessary by some that a new marketing name needed to be created which had none of the negative connotations of either "East New York" or "Spring Creek". The name chosen was "Gateway". The name is based on the location of the Gateway National Recreation Area, parkland in the southern portion of New Lots along Jamaica Bay, (the parkland is separated from New Lots proper by the Belt (Shore) (POW) Parkway).
Despite the names given to the various sub-communities of New Lots they remain just that, sub-communities. Historically the name of the entire area is and always has been New Lots.
Wikiprjd (talk) 17:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, this history of the Township looks like an excellent addition to the New Lots, Brooklyn article.  Only a little belongs in the ENY article, which should stick mainly to the areas called ENY from the Pitkin era through the 20th century.  And hey, I don't see that we have even a small biography of Pitkin despite the important avenue and other namesakes.  Jim.henderson (talk) 16:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main and Subsections 

message: African American and Puerto Rican is a better term. Black and Puerto Rican is confusing, since most Puerto Ricans share similiar African ancestry with African Americans. The difference is culture and nationality usually, not race.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.123.215 (talk) 02:46, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black and Puerto Rican Discrepancy? 

message: The photo shows boarded up homes.  The caption read "many abandoned homes."  This is POV. I wondered when the photo was taken, for today, properties often change hands and undergo improvement, albeit with some decline since 2008.  The Neimiah picture is more representative of how the neighborhood looks today.Dogru144 (talk) 17:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: POV in the Ghetto photo caption

message: There are plenty of programs nation-wide that have "Nehemiah" in their names, but not all of them are associated with the Sacramento-based Nehemiah Corporation of America.  Because the statement in the text (about Bloomberg's 2006 announcement) was unsourced, it was not possible to verify whether the Sacramento-based corporation was involved here.  I removed the links, but otherwise kept the text unchanged.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:46, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This Nehemiah seems to be related to "Spring Creek Nehemiah" rather than Nehemiah Corp. epicgenius (talk) 02:41, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Its the company run by East Brooklyn Congregations. Tdorante10 (talk) 02:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: The reference to Jamaica Pass links to the article "Jamaica Pass" ... which has been redirected to here.  This circular link should be broken, no?  And was there not enough information about Jamaica Pass to merit its own article? I came here from a "Jamaica Pass" link, seeking to learn its nature and exact location.  Eplater (talk) 22:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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