Talk:Merkava/Archive 1

message: May be useful for this and other 'military equipment' articles: Include cost per unit data, if available. That can be important.
: Since it is internal Israeli production and not intended for sale, there is no "price tag" on the Merkava. However, Israeli officer stated that it is cheper for Israel to obtain Merkava tanks rather than buy the M1A2 Abrams tank. MathKnight 21:26, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cost 

message: Can anyone upload a GNU liscened pictured of Merkava tank? MathKnight 21:55, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: For temporary, here is a picture from Hebrew Wikipedia. If anyone has better picture with no copyright problems (fair use, GNU etc) please add it. MathKnight 11:24, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Several images were uploaded by now, so i removed the req for imgs altmany 00:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: I have heard rumours that the Merkava line was an air conditioned tank 
from the start, and that it was the first tank in the world with this capability. Can someone please substantiate or debunk this? BACbKA 23:59, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that Mk3 was designed with built-in AC and NBC system (1990). MathKnight 11:17, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Not A/C in the sense of something that cools it.  HVAC yes, a/c no. // 3R1C 23:59, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HVAC includes AC.  One can have ventilation and overpressure without AC, but the HVAC acronym includes Heating, Ventilation and Air Conditioning.  I'm not sure the Merkava was first.Mzmadmike 19:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is M. the 1st air conditioned tank? 

message: It would be useful if the term merkava was also explained as being an early Jewish mystical tradition. Merkava would then be Gods chariot. the mystic tries to get to that chariot. 2nd to 6th century Jewish Mysticism.
:Added disambiguation link to top. AnonMoos 03:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Whether this is true or not (I assume it's true) I'm 100% sure this was NOT related to the decision to use this word in Hebrew - it's designers being sechular military people working for the Israeli government. Jewish mysticism is (or at least was) not part of the mainstream Israel common concience. Penedo 07:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mysticism isn't part of the mainstream in a lot of countries, and yet millitary equiptment is often named for aspects of it. If that's where the name comes from it's completely relevant and very interesting to state it. OzoneO 08:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Are references to appearances in pop culture (movies, videogames) appropriate for articles on military hardware? NEMT 19:50, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: appearance in popular culture

message: - Merkava 1 (Merkava Mk 1) 
- Merkava 1 Bet (Merkava Mk 1B) 
- Merkava 2 (Merkava Mk 2) 
- Merkava 2 Bet (Merkava Mk 2B) 
- Merkava 2 Bet dor Dalet (Merkava Mk 2D) 
- Merkava 3 (Merkava Mk 3) 
- Merkava 3 Bet (Merkava Mk 3B) 
- Merkava 3 Bet BAZ (Merkava Mk 3B BAZ) 
- Merkava 3 Bet BAZ dor Dalet (Merkava Mk 3D) 
- Merkava 4 (Merkava Mk 4) 
- Namer 
- Namera 
- Slammer (Sholef) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.50.102.115 (talk • contribs) 
:- Merkava 4 Bet (Merkava Mk 4B) --Shuki 20:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merkava variants 

message: Hi. I'm intersted in the exterior of a Merkava MEDEVAC version. Does it have the Magen David Adom mark on it? (Talk:Ambulance#Merkava MK III ambulance) --GunnarRene 14:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merkava ambulance exterior 

message: Since this appears to be an unusual feature on a tank, does anyone have any more infomation on the internal mortar, such as where it is located/fires out of, or indeed a photo of it? Hellfire83 18:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Made by Soltam, quite easy to use, range, and correct targeting, full operation from inside including loading. Non-static firing pin. --Shuki 21:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Internal mortar

message: I always though the Merkava could carry a few infantrymen in the back.  Is this just a myth based on the back door? —Michael Z. 2006-11-13 04:38 Z
:True. The internal ammunition containers are removable. --Shuki 21:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infantry compartment 

message: Since there is no official documenation (that I can find) that dictates the naming conventions on the merkava,  edits of "Merkava Mk.1" to "Mark 1" (and subsequent versions) were made with the interest of wikifying the article.  If the anonymous editor that consistently makes those edits would like to post a legitimate reference to this naming scheme, feel free.  I'm assuming that you are basing these edits off of Israel-Weapons.com, and the conventions there are not considered official.  Thanks! 3R1C 13:46, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Version Nomenclature

message: When in doubt about article naming, simply do a straw poll of other similar articles. There is no reason for this article to stand out with 'program'. Every major weapon system is a long-term program. If someone feels that the Merkava deserves two articles than see how it was done here: Space Shuttle. As for the first paragraph, why is the number of manufactures/suppliers so important to get to right away? Please rewrite. --Shuki 19:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merkava - Program 

message: To the anonymous editor that keeps changing powerplant to powerpack, in reference to the engine of the tank:
It's powerplant.  When referring to the primary power source of a mechanical device.  Please see the first item on "powerplant."  it's going to be either powerplant or engine, not powerpack. // 3R1C 21:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The US military also uses "powerpack" in reference to a modular and changeable assembly.  The engine is the powerplant.  The engine, transmission, related support equipment and gearing is colloquially called a "powerpack" if it can be removed as one assemblyMzmadmike 19:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Just pick one or thoe other. // 3R1C 13:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powerpack / Powerplant 

message: Two anonymouse editors (or possible one on two addresses) have been on a spree of adding unsourced statements.  Removal of these statements resulted in reversions, so as a result, I am tagging every unsourced statement.  Hopefully these editors will cease adding data without sources, and will start sourcing their statements. // 3R1C 23:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As opposed to the entire article being completely speculative? Right. // 3R1C 14:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: After 3216513216 anonymous POV edits, it was done to prevent an editor from continuously from violating POV and NOR.  Since that author has decided to stop making such edits, I've removed a good portion of them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 3R1C (talk • contribs) 13:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statements 

message: The very last paragraph, beginning with "It is only with the accuracy of time and hindsight...", seems to be a rant about the 2006 Lebanon war and also quite biased. Either way it has nothing to do with the Merkava MBT. Should probably be removed?  // Sarastro 17:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire last general remarks section is very interesting reading but entirely OR. 'According to this', 'according to that' doesn't hold water on WP. everything has to be 'hard' sourced. --Shuki 21:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed.  It should go // 3R1C 22:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OT Paragraph