Talk:The Song of Hiawatha

message: Well, my library couldn't get it through interlibrary loan and I was perishing of curiosity, so I ordered a used copy. It must have been very popular because they are plentiful and relatively cheap; mine, a "reading copy" in "fair condition" cost $15. It is the second edition, published in 1856, and I'll be putting something about it in the article here.
But the reason I'm putting this here is that the "fur-side inside" passage does not match the versions that are commonly anthologized. In Carolyn Wells' A Nonsense Anthology, it appears as follows, under the title "The Modern Hiawatha," attributed to "anonymous:"
:He killed the noble Mudjokivis.
:Of the skin he made him mittens,
:Made them with the fur side inside,
:Made them with the skin side outside.
:He, to get the warm side inside,
:Put the inside skin side outside;
:He to get the cold side outside
:Put the warm side fur side inside.
:That's why he put the fur side inside,
:Why he put the skin side outside,
:Why he turned them inside outside.
The passage, as it appears on p. 27, of "The Song of Milkanwatha," Second Edition, said to be published in Cincinnati by "Tickell & Grinne," 1856:
:In one hand Peek-Week, the squirel,
:in the other hand the blow-gun—
:Fearful instrument, the blow-un;
:And Marcosset and Sumpunkin,
:Kissed him, 'cause he killed the squirrel,
:'Cause it was a rather big one.
:From the squirrel-skin, Marcosset
:Made some mittens for our hero,
:Mittens with the fur-side inside,
:With the fur-side mext his fingers
:So 's to keep the hand warm inside;
:That was why she put the fur-side—
:Why she put the fur-side, inside. 
And that's all there is to the mittens.
So: was this improved on by later writers? Or was it, perhaps, improved on by "Henderson" himself (when in the 3rd edition, published in 1883?) Dpbsmith (talk) 23:43, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Song of Milkanwatha 

message: i know that there is a mathematical poem, with hiawatha as the main character, that is mocking statistics, but didn't found a reference on this page. i've heard a translation and also saw few people quoting it in the web. i'll try to google it out and maybe provide more info. --194.50.85.1 11:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: math parody

message: sorry guys, but the section called "description" is absolutely insufficient!!! please give a substantial account of the contents before loosing yourself in endless lines of "analysis"... thank you!!! --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 17:20, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: "description"??!!

message: Please be careful with the YouTube links. We can't link to copyright violations. For example, Al Bowlly's performance of Ray Noble's "Hiawatha Lullaby" is still under copyright. We can't link to YouTube copies unless verifably uploaded by the copyright holder. Yworo (talk) 18:01, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: The Verifiability policy cited by User:Yworo in a recent edit is all about textual information, not about providing a source of visual information. The 'solution' proposed for the Frances Anne Hopkins oil painting mentioned in the Artistic Use section admits that it is legally accessible - as Yworo has found out by implementing it. (The painting is also notable as cited in a scholarly source here). The solution proposed by Yworo was cumbersome and bureaucratic. Allowing a reader to access the illustration at the sole online source would have been easier. The guidelines on verifiability are there to make sure the article is sound but not, I argue, to hinder access to legitimate visual material. There are many personal sites on the web that carry such material with the aim of providing information otherwise difficult to come by. In this case, I consider interpreting the policy to cover visual sources that are out of copyright as questionable and I should like to see what others think. In my experience, WP administrators are prepared to review policy if they think this helps readers and the quality of articles. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 06:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Access to visual material 

message: Readers can get the idea of parodies of the poem without having five included on the page. That is overkill.Parkwells (talk) 17:42, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I liked them, I don't think five is too many. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many parodies excerpted

message: Has there been any comment or criticism of this work by Native Americans in the 20th century?  If so,  I think that should be included.  Thanks. Rissa, copy editor (talk) 18:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American Response 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The following quote seems highly speculative to me and somewhat pejorative to the memory of Longfellow:
"It is likely that, 20 years later, Longfellow had forgotten most of what he had learned of that language, and he referred to a German translation of the Kalevala by Franz Anton Schiefner."
Why is this forgetfulness on the part of Longfellow "likely"? 
The above line seems to suggest that Longfellow had a bad memory for languages, and that this bad memory is common knowledge (since the quote is not attributed to any one person but is stated as a general truth). The quote should be either removed or attributed to some specific person, along with an explanation of why that person drew this conclusion. Perhaps the conclusion is based on the supposed lack of Finnish influence in the Hiawatha poem, but surely Longfellow's supposed forgetfulness is not the only possible explanation for such a lack of influence.  204.111.28.75 (talk) 01:35, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's attributed to precisely one person -- but it's a pretty substantial source . Expanding would be worthwhile. --jpgordon𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇  01:56, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious claims 

message: It is beyond idiotic that many passages or texts of Hiawatha parodies are included in the article, but not the text of the original poem, which is surely in the public domain by now. 2601:200:C000:1A0:F9EE:8C71:A15D:5FFE (talk) 22:42, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.   Parody is not worthy of WP.    If you disagree, then parody is free to go up against Einstein's Theory of Relativity (for example).  WP should not be a forum to promote parody. 2600:6C48:7006:200:5C10:C716:750B:C3B2 (talk) 02:08, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is beyond idiotic