Talk:La Bamba (song)

message: 74.112.121.40 08:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The meaning of the name of the alleged dance "la bamba" needs some interpretation of underlying meaning, as is often the case in folk songs. When you dance "la bamba", this implies you have "una pierna/cintura bamba", or "a loose leg/waist" (and it could go further into a naughtier interpretation, but let's leave it aside for lack of evidence). So "bailar la bamba" actually means "do the loose leg/waist dance". To do that dance, "necesitas una poca de gracia y otra cosita", meaning, "you need a bit of grace and something else" (hence the naughty interpretation). But it doesn't stop there: there's also a Spanish language pun involved, considering the verb "bambolear" (moving your waist in circles) also means to boast/brag. So, the person who dances la bamba can be understood as also bragging about not being a sailor, but the captain himself ("yo no soy marinero, soy capitán"). He's dancing la bamba and also doing "la bamba", get it? There you have the right spirit of the lyrics, Feel free to add to the article, if needed. - 187.20.71.73 (talk) 22:37, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

text: Isn’t it una polka de gracia? Meaning a polka that’s good. Because if it was “un poco de gracia” no one would say “una poca” the correct way is “un poco” But if it’s a reference to “una poca— as in una polka, then the lyrics make sense. Thoughts? 71.230.169.77 (talk) 02:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @71.230.169.77 "una polka de gracia" could also mean "a free dance" perhaps. Oral histories, eh? 2A00:23C6:9026:E201:A56D:35B4:1610:A275 (talk) 08:11, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "La Bamba" means... 

message: OK, cunning linguists, I am well aware that the normal translation of "para" in this specific usage is "in order to" or "for the purpose of". Now just try to sing it that way in English. "For" may be a bit archaic as a synonym of "in order to", but it flows better. Wahkeenah 13:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the "a-nones" in this case. If lyrics and a translation are provided (which they are not, so someone must have removed them), the translation should convey the best meaning of the lyrics, not the best way to sing it.--Rockero 22:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Para vs. For 

message: Why is this song an "Traditional Afro-Mexican" song? I mean come on there really is no need for afro with anything that relates to being a Latino! A Latino isn't of a particular race, a Latino can be a asian, african or native etc it does not matter their background because you are Latino!
TeePee-20.7 13:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afro-Mexican 

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message: La Bamba is an old son jarocho. Jarocho does have african influence but it is not direct. Its better to say it has an afro-cuban influence. Also it was never done on violin until Mariachi's hundreds of years later. and it was never done in son huasteco. harp and jarana would be best to say since those are the basic instruments of jarocho and i believe requinto wasnt really done until within a century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myke209 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Information All Wrong

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message: Do we have any proper sources (ie not just mirrors of Wiki) for the thing about dancing La Bamba in a circle at Esperanto youth conventions? Frankly, it reads like a hoax at the moment. If it isn't, it needs citations, fast. 86.132.140.178 (talk) 02:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esperanto? 

message: It seems a little futile to me to cite lyrics, since there are about as many variants as there are Jaraneros -- and not just little variants as the ones cited here. That's in the nature of the Son Jarocho, which is a largely improvised genre. The song can go on and on, and since it is mostly sung by two or three singers in turn, each can contribute his or her own verses, respond to the verses of the others', and so on. Obviously, recorded versions feed back into the oral and improvised tradition and most audiences expect to hear the familiar marinero-verse at one point, but the tradition of improvisation is going strong.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.76.160 (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: Although there is a version circulated in the media business years popularized in 1958 by the singer of Mexican descent born in the U.S. Ritchie Valens.
What does that mean, "in the media business years"?
Son of bamba within its traditional context are a couple of calls to the dance a man and a woman, there are communities where the dance of two or more couples.
This doesn't make sense to me, either.  I would edit it, but I don't know what the author(s) is trying to communicate here.
Oswald Glinkmeyer (talk) 02:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening Paragraph Needs Work 

message: I don't think Selena should have an infobox unless it's an important enough release to be discussed in the Main Article.Hbrackett (talk) 16:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the listy section to the talk page. MahangaTalk 18:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover versions 

message: "the tune itself.. remains the same through all versions"
i don't think this is quite true. the tune (as in the melody) varies between versions from what i've heard. the "rock versions" (Ritchie Valens et al.) are different, but i'd say traditional versions differ as well. k kisses 15:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy is good. Carptrash (talk) 15:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: Why was she removed from the other version's section? She recorded the song for her album And the Winner Is... which was later remixed for her album Anthology. AJona1992 (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Selena's version? 

message: The Ritchie Valens version and the Los Lobos version each list different writers in the Infobox, but to my knowledge they sing the same song.
(Valens: Beau Ryan; Los Lobos: William Clauson)
--CltNC830 (talk) 01:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This article states that Willie Clauson was "the guy who brought the world “La Bamba.”"  It says that he "discovered the fisherman’s song “La Bamba” when he was in Veracruz. He slowed it down, simplified it, sang it, then gave it to Ritchie Valens who…well, you know the rest."   In my view, that claim could be added to the article - but it would be helpful to have some more sources attesting to Clauson's involvement.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:20, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Much more info on Clauson's own website here :It was Will who first made "La Bamba" a major hit. It was originally music for dancing to the rapid percussive sound of foot stamping with harp and guitar accompaniment. While touring Mexico, Will so enjoyed seeing it performed that he decided to make a singable song out of it for his international audience. He slowed the tempo down to allow the audience to join in, recorded the song in a variety of languages, and by popular demand, closed nearly all of his innumerable concerts with everyone taking part.  He has his own article on Swedish Wikipedia here.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Record sleeve here.  And here is his (sadly, undated) performance.   Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:33, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

text: I think it would be useful to add these claims - suitably referenced of course - to the article, without trying to come to a definitive view on which ones are, in fact, accurate. I'll try and put together a brief article on Clauson in the next few days, and can add his claims then, but it would be useful if you could add to this article the information you have about Serrano and Fiesta as well.  Incidentally, if Belafonte recorded it in 1956, I don't know whether his version pre-dated or post-dated Clauson.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:32, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

text: PS: William Clauson.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

text: PPS:  Do you know anything about this version by Juanita Linda, apparently recorded in 1954?   Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:25, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

text: PPPS:  Aha! - much more information here.  And here is the version by Andres Huesca (Hermanos Huesca).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

text: The reference to "Beau Ryan" was added in this anonymous edit in 2009 - which seems to be pure vandalism.  Sadly, it lasted on the page for a couple of years before being removed here.  The references to Clauson being the writer are more understandable, but still wrong.  I don't know what writing credits were given on Clauson's own recordings of the song in the early 50s.  The "correct" version should be something like "Trad., arr. Valens", for his version - which is effectively what appears on early copies of the DelFi single.  At least this discussion has prompted me to do a bit of research and writing on pre-Valens versions.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writer(s) 

message: I have heard that this song is featured in Disney's film "The Three Caballeros", under the name "Lilongo". Here is a link to the song.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie-qfEqOHiw Does anyone know if this is actually a version of "La Bamba" or is it a completely different song?--Jpcase (talk) 21:52, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disney's The Three Caballeros 

message: from the Other Versions section. 
;"'The intro to the 1963 song Twist and Shout by The Beatles samples La Bamba. '
because while the Beatles might have ripped off the riff, ( and we would need a reference for that claim, "Just listen to it" is not good enough) - I don't believe that that can be called "sampling."  can it?  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:17, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just cut this out 

message: this good faith edit from the Traditional versions section.  Perhaps we can figure out how to use the information and the source?  Want to try?
: " from Africa was usually sung by the Angolan and Congolese slaves Rogers, C.V. (Sep., 2006).  Improving the Visibility of Afro-Latin Culture in the Spanish Classroom.  Hispania, 89 (3): 562-573ore been incorporated to Latin America musical element . "
Carptrash (talk) 14:53, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I Just removed 

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message: Is there a public domain version of the song lyrics that we can use here (or on Wikisource)? Qzekrom (talk) 02:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public domain lyrics 

message: Bruce Springsteen made a cover which is a significant mash-up of "La Bamba" and "Twist and Shout". This was completely disregarded in the "La Bamba" page. Here is the link to the amazing live performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXvGbWO_DIk  werldwayd (talk) 14:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Significant Bruce Springsteen cover ignored

message: Sadly, we have here another article on a song that omits basic information such as time. Is it 4-4 in any or all versions, for example? Kdammers (talk) 03:33, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No musicological discussion 

message: The Internet Archive has a few 78 rpm recordings of this song that ought to be in the public domain by now. Assuming there are no copyright issues, perhaps someone could upload one of them to Wikimedia Commons and insert it into this page? Here's one example, recorded by Los Tres Vaqueros in 1945. -- 86.31.99.47 (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public domain recordings