Talk:Number of the beast/Archive 2

message: This is my first post, so please be patient if I screw up. . .
I read the article on the Mark of the Beast, and was struck by the passage concerning the use of the number 666 as a mark of commerce
It appears to me that the reference to commerce would be incomprehensible to any reader who was not, already, familiar with Revelation because it fails to cite, quote or even mention the relevant passage from Revelation 13: (the following quote is from the New International Version):
"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name."
Rev. 13, verses 16-17.
Indeed, verses 16-17 are not mentioned at any point in the entire article about Mark of the Beast, but these two verses comprise about two-thirds of the Biblical material concerning the Mark of the Beast.Bonbga 16:21, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark of the Beast and Mark of Commerce 

message: In Greek the number is χξς. The first and the third figure-letter Χς is used especially in byzantine icons to name Jesus Christ omitting the letters in between (Χ-ριστό-ς). Between Christ initials, stands the letter ξ, letter that resembles a snake, the Devil, forming the name/number of the Anti-Christ. (however, the text writes the WORDS "six-hundred and sixty-six" not the NUMBER "666"-- it is WRONG to talk about it as "666")
Gel27! 12:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Number is 616. Trust me it is. You can look it up anywhere. Now, I think that it's time for the article to be changed to only talk about 616. 616 is now the most generally accepted number of the beast; ask anyone. Could someone please redo this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.6.97 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 1 December 2006
"Trust me" tells everyone not to trust you. Also 616 is a current Christian push and is nowhere nearly as well known as 666. I also noticed that Crowley is only mentioned in the notes and not the article. To Mega Therion is 666Rev. Michael S. Margolin 19:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the number 666? 

message: "The problem with emperor Nero is that Nero was long dead already in the time when the Book of Revelations was written..."
Not according to some. Many believe that the Book of Revelation was written during Nero's reign, and I don't think that there is convincing evidence to say otherwise. I suggest that this statement be altogether removed or otherwise edited. AC 04:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of Writing 

message: The number 666 is a representation of the anti-christ, man wanting to become god. Alot of people bring up Nero having such a name, as a reaction of Revalations accounts for the anti-christ, and Revelations mearly being anti-Nero propaganda, during the period when Nero sacked Jerusalem.
There have been several anti-christs throughout history, using the method of numerology the names of; Hitler, Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Nero, all hold true to having the name of 666.
In numerology the number 6 represents man, and 3 represents god, so in essence the number 666 represents man wanting to become god. Like the above mentioned names, when men like this come into power, many will die, and the end of an erra (the world) is at hand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.28.192.10 (talk) 01:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's in a name? 

message: I think appealing to reason and logic and reading the footnotes on The New Jerome Biblical Commentary and the research papers by Hillars means that this article should be revised to meet some form of due weight to these studies above the others. I feel the introduction is good because it directs the reader to the most rational reason for the code with facts to substantiate the hypothesis that is now a varifiable repeatable and consistant theory that John and his followers are using code for a Roman Emperior. The other parts of the articles I feel may not have the needed reference credentials to give them undue weight in the article I feel. (CptKirk 10:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. If you can fix that, go ahead. —xyzzyn 11:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Catholic Reference and footnotes and undue weight. 

message: The idea that 611 does not mean Nero was refuted by the same study of the Papyri in "Some Recently Published NT Papyri from Oxyrhynchus: An Overview and Preliminary Assessment" by Peter M. Head, Tyndale Bulletin 51 (2000), pp. 1-16 http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Tyndale/staff/Head/NTOxyPap.htm#_ftn39 (CptKirk 01:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. However, I have recently been in content disputes with the editor whom added the link, so I am more sensitive about blanket reverts. -Andrew c 18:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok I think it fare that he be given voice for reasoning why but it doesn't look good so far especially since the citation above is quite accurate and contradicts the other interpretation which rejected the nero theory. I don't think this is a hypothesis anymore, but a sound tested varifiable theory especially given the credentials of the experts who have published the theory in academic circles from American Schools of Oriental Research. (CptKirk 01:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Oxyrhynchus 

message: This link:
*www.geocities.com/mygoldcross/666.html 666 Interpretation as Name, Number and Mark Altogether
has now been deleted at least three times. The last time it was added, it was put in by an anonymous user. It does not belong in Wikipedia because it is a personal blog - unverified, original research. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this type of "reference" does not provide any support for the article. Somebody please point me to the place in Wikipedia policy that says we should NOT delete things like this. Cbdorsett 07:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That link got the article sprotected from July to October. I think there’s some consensus towards it being POV-spam. —xyzzyn 10:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple deletions of link to personal blog 

message: You have to go back to numerology to understand what the number really means. This is the way it was explained to me by a theologeon when I was a child.
Meanings behind the numbers:
1: Don't remember
2: Don't remember
3: Power, Godly power
Examples: Triangles, minimum number of legs for a chair to stand up, 3 physical dimensions
4: Earth or matter
Examples: Square, (olden days) 4 corners of the earth. 4 elements
5: Nature
Not sure of examples of this
6: Man
Ditto
7: Perfection
Examples: 7 heavens, 7 wonders...
The numbering system only went up to 7(so it actually looks like 10). Base 7, get that? So 40 base 7 is actually 28. It rained for a month, BTW. Anyway back to 666, the original 666 is supposed to have multipication symbols between them like this:
6*6*6
This is because it actually is referencing two numbers above. 6 times 6 times 6 is 6 to the 3rd power. Six and 3!
Six represents man, 3 represents godly power. So the lesson is simply:
Beware of man achieving godly power. Man is currupted by power. A powerful man becomes like a BEAST intoxicated by that power.
Don't over think this concept, it's really pretty simple. 
I'm sorry I can't give references, perhaps I should go back to that theologian and ask him. I'm afraid he might suggest I learn Latin, Hebrew and/or Aramaic though... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.197.134.209 (talk • contribs).
:Or, in this case, Greek, since that’s the language of the original source. And then you would want to have a look at what is known about Greek mathematics, like its utter ignorance of modern-day notational conventions such as omitting a multiplication symbol where this does not introduce ambiguities or, for that matter, the multiplication symbol. —xyzzyn 21:49, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nobody ever seems to get this... 

message: The line in this section which quotes 2 Peter claims that it says we, the readers of the Bible, are not to interpret prophecies. I removed it because what that passage actually says is that the prophecies were not written via interpretation of the prophets themselves.Taurrandir 22:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interpretations 

message: Hey,
Just out of interest, didn't a few prophets think that on the 6/6/06 was going to be the END OF THE WORLD. And, i recall i was on holiday at this time, up till midnight, i didn't remember any apocalypse!!!
CoolChris 07:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Out of intrest 

message: I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned already. 666 is the mark of the beast for 2 different reasons.
First, 4 symbolizes man, and more specifically, God's love for man, because the Earth has 4 corners. The mark of the beast has 3 digits because the beast doesn't love man. Second, 7 symbolizes perfection, because God created Earth in 7 days. The mark of beast uses the digit 6 because the beast is imperfect.
So, God's number would be 7777, and the beast's is 666. The beast's is less than God's both in numerical value and in symbolical meaning.
I think this information should be added. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact cites for the meanings of 4 and 7, and am too busy to reference them now, but it's fairly common knowledge.
Holdingacct 22:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The reason why the specific number 666 is relevant 

message: Current article reads "Seventh-day Adventists believe that the number 666 refers to the Papacy as all other evidence of The Beast of Revelation points towards the head of the Roman Catholic Church." The notion that "all other evidence" in Revelation shows that 666 = the pope, is a controversial claim by one Christian denomination and a direct attack against another, ie, the Roman Catholic Church. Such a statement unmistakably violates NPOV. Also, the line is referenced to an outside website which is effectively a polemic arguing the same, and is thereby inappropriate. I am fixing this to remove the bias.
Rockcutter88 14:28, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  npov re the number denoting the pope 

message: In the article, it states that Aleister reffered to himself as 'The Great Beast,' and then it provides the name in Greek. I cannot find a translation that shows that 'The Great Beast' in Greek even resembles what was typed. Can anyone help me out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fromyourveins (talk • contribs) 05:59, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aleister Crowley 

message: Ghrisx 15:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is true for each certain nation's majority, but if even in bad nation is somebody good or at least on good way to reach goodness, then this somebody is evacuated, examples are Noah, and Rachab.83.5.33.27 10:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mentioned that this is the interpretation of Dr. Jesus Miranda, who is the one explicitly claiming himself to be the antichrist, as well as claiming to be the returned Christ at the same time. So, if you do mention an interpretation that gives such significance to the conventionally-numbered verse Isaiah 66:6, please keep it brief (no need to quote Matthew or Malachi) and please attribute it to his movement, preferably with a reliable published source. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 15:54, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isaiah 66:6 

message: on a scientific HANDHELD calculator 666π = 2092.300707 666π would equal a circular symbol of 3 6's as some believe is the mark of the beast on a Computer Calculator it equals 2092.3007072908021655, complete. Any Suggestions? I thought it might be July 30th 2007 (on the 2092nd tick of a clock?) or something like that I dont know but anyone feel free to add comments. Bluestar9493 17:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. We will just have to wait and see if that date has any sigificance. Just wait and see what happens.
EnduranceRace 06:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  666π?