Talk:Copa Libertadores

message: "Pasion libertadores" section on cultural impact looks simply like a sef promotion rather then actually informing something about the tournament. Someone founded a website about a topic that seems very normal.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.171.102.228 (talk) 14:49, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Pasion libertadores" cultural impact section 

message: This article needs a good coverage such as the world cup, Copa America, UEFA Champions League, etc. articles. I'll start with it shortly. -SpiceMan 12:00, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverage

message: I'm brazilian and my country didn't have a war to be independent.We were colony of Portugal then D. Pedro I payed money to Portugal ,so we got independent. After the independence we had 2 Emperors that went to Europe in the end of their lifes.The text is wrong. EDIT: Brazilian War of Independence.
Augusto Fontes.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.53.160.122 (talk) 21:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The text is wrong 

message: I think this article would be much more complete if it has details for every edition of the cup like the UEFA Champions League article. I noticed that some editions like the 2005, 1997 and 1994 have a Details article but they are incomplete or they need to be cleaned up. 
I know that creating a Details article for every year of the Libertadores might take a long time, but if enough people are interested in helping, it will make the Copa Libertadores article complete. - Bruno18 16:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I started the article for 2005. I am willing to do the same with 1992 and 1993. FTota 16:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: You will probably find RSSSF immeasurably useful to the task, if you haven't used it already.   (By virtue of the fact it's linked in the article, I'm sure you're aware of it.)    But then, it seems that a Wikipedia page would largely just be a more readable formatting.   Perhaps the ideal would be a RSSF-to-Wikipedia bot.   - PhilipR 05:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Details for Every Year

message: An anon user changed:
*"Between 1960 and 1979 the previous winners did not enter the competition until the semi-final stage"
with
*"Between 1960 and 1989 the previous winners did not enter the competition until the semi-final stage".
I couldn't find references for neither year; anyone had better luck? Mariano(t/c) 07:13, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not true, as the 1987 champions (Peñarol) had to play quarter-finals in the 1988 edition. Bruno18 20:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Let me do a little bit of research and come back with the answer ;) .Bruno18 14:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, I've checked the results. The last time a champion had a 'bye' to the semifinals was in 1986. That year River Plate won the tournament and directly played the semifinals in the 1987 edition. Time to edit the article. Bruno18 17:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Previous winners 

message: Wouldn't be better to change the name of this section? IMO it is a bit misleading as the table only shows the results for the finals, not for every game of the Copa as the title seems to suggest. Also, I think it would be better to "flip" the table and show the last champion first (in other words, go in descending order from 2006 to 1960). Let me know what you think. Bruno18 20:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Copa América has Copa América tournaments as subtitle, and FIFA World Cup has World Cup summaries. Regarding the order, I have no preference, but both Copa America and World Cup have ascending order. Mariano(t/c) 06:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Past Results

message: I don't believe it's appropiate to have both Sao Paulo and Internacional in the "Past Results" table as one column is for the runner-up and the other one for the champion (the leftmost column in this case). Having Sao Paulo in that leftmost column can confuse people who are looking at the article and are not familiar with football or the Libertadores, making them believe that Sao Paulo is the 2006 champion. We should only add the teams once the finals are complete. After all, this is an encyclopedia and the main objective should be to inform people but not confuse them.
I'm also against declaring Brazil as having 13 championships before the finals are played. Yeah, I know that this is an all-Brazilian final and that the champion will eventually be from that country but there's always a remote chance that something might happen. 
So in conclusion, I'll go ahead and revert the changes made by that anom user and if somebody disagrees and wants the article the way it was PLEASE discuss it here and at least give at good reason of why you want the article that way. Peace. Bruno18 14:19, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the country but in the past we have arbitrarily added the countries, the idea is that we can add the finals' results after the first game to keep track. Maybe a footnote explaining wouldn't be a bad idea. Sebastian Kessel Talk 14:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 final

message: Can some one explain, how was mexico added to a south american cup?, the article doesn't explain.
:Maybe no one knows the reason.  It is easy to verify which teams played, so we know Mexican teams started to complete.  I imaghine iots the money as Moexico is a rich country compared to the conutries in eth Copa. Chivista 20:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico In the cup 

message: :Image:Libertadores2007.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 13:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Libertadores2007.jpg

message: What kind of translation is this? This is an odd and unofficial translation which is not adopted by any kind of press. Even English-speaking countries call this competition "Copa Libertadores". I'll remove this statemant of the article. Sometime ago people wrote "Libertators of America Cup" and now "America's Libertators Cup". What would be the next weird translation? "Cup Libertators of America"??? C'mon people!!! There's no english translation and period!
--201.82.130.253 (talk) 20:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added the redirect. Salt (talk) 16:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: America's Libertators Cup ?????

message: Hi, I've noticed the way the knock-out matches appear in almost all the articles of each edition is quite misleading on home and away matches. It's quite confusing because the team seeded first is not always the one who played at home first, but it seems like that by the way it looks it the articles. I think it should be fixed up.Ipsumesse (talk) 06:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Home and away

message: Under the section Media coverage, only media in UK and Australia are listed, giving a wrong preception that the tournament is only covered in these two regions. I think this section is strongly insufficient concnerning its information, and even does not have value of existence if the there is not further data available. 
So, does anyone know whether there is a list of media coverage which is more complete? Or should I start a separate article like List of UEFA Champions League broadcasters, so that people can add information concerning their own countries? Salt (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media coverage 

message: From the article:
The winners of the Copa Libertadores have gone on to win more world club championships than any other FIFA confederation. They have also won three out of the first four editions of the official FIFA World Club Championship.
This is not right. Corinthians -- a CONMEBOL member -- won the first edition of the Fifa Club World Cup in 2000 without winning Libertadores first. Maclaine (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libertadores and FIFA World Club Championship 

message: The image :File:AlbertoSpencer.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here.  In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page.  Please check
:* That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
:* That this article is linked to from the image description page.
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --09:06, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Image copyright problem with File:AlbertoSpencer.jpg

message: Leave it at 39. We don't know what the format will be for next season since they added a new team to the competition. --MicroX (talk) 00:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if we don't know the format, there is no qualifying round for the Copa Libertadores. 39 qualify and the competition proper starts at the First Stage. Digirami (talk) 00:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The only time there was a preliminary round was prior to 2004 when they had 2 Venezuelan teams and 2 Mexican teams compete for two spots in the group stage. Today we have 6 stages, starting in the first stage and ending in the sixth stage (the finals). --MicroX (talk) 00:40, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total teams 

message: Comments arising as I read through the first couple of sections:
*Is it right to call the Copa de Campeones a precursor? Was it a direct precursor, or was it simply the first attempt at a trans-continental club championship?
**Yes. You will find more information on the article itself.
*In places I've seen reference to the Libertadores being created after the Intercontinental Cup was proposed, as there was at that time no way of determining which South American team ought to contest it. Is there anything to this?
**That is complete BS. The Europeans were the ones who instigated that notion as a means to make their own European Cup seem important (which went along with the European's destruction of the growing prestigue the IC had at the end of the 60's). The truth is that a UEFA secretary did come all the way to South America to propose the Intercontinental Cup but it was seen more as an welcomed but unneeded incentive. Argentina and Brazil, with the backing of most of South America, wanted to start the Copa Libertadores but it was Uruguay who put heavy resistence towards the inception of the tournament (the history article of the Copa Libertadores covers it). Only through some under-the-table deals did the Libertadores came to be (back then, Uruguay had a lot of sway in CONMEBOL).
*It proved to be historic justice for many (even today) due to Peñarol's great contributions to the creation of the tournament - according to whom?
**Put "justicia historica peñarol 1960" on google and you will find many different sources as to who.
*but the Copa Libertadores did not receive international projection what does this mean?
**It means that it received no international projection. Before Santos won it in 1962, the tournament didn't receive much coverage even in South America. Once Santos and Pele entered in 1962 did that change.
*As raised in the FAC, there are many peacock terms and weasel words. As it says at WP:WEASEL, Claims about what people say, think, feel, or believe, and what has been shown, demonstrated, or proven should be clearly attributed.
**I understand where you are coming from now. I will attribute everything.
*Terms like "tricampeon" need to be explained for the layman.
**Fair enough.
*No mention of the Battle of the Bombonera where 19 players got sent off?Oldelpaso (talk) 14:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-FAC comments 

message: Would whoever removed the Advert tag please actually consider making the Match Ball section NOT an ad first? By any definition, it's an advert.
24.16.229.98 (talk) 20:10, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you try doing it yourself? I really see no other way to write it; I merely stated what Nike (and other third-party sources) stated about the ball itself. 74.232.219.90 (talk) 21:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Match Ball

message: Hi all,
I would like to start a new section to reflect the new decade:
Consolidation?: 2010-2019
The 2010 edition witnessed the consolidation of the Mexican participation with Guadalajara reaching the final against Internacional. Internacional won its second title with an aggregate score of 5-3.Gabriel arisi (talk) 07:25, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Decade 2010- 

message: I can't delete it this time. So, please stop adding the poorly sourced "official anthem" section, that is a TV theme used by one of the broadcasters. Copa Libertadores doesn't have an official anthem.--190.8.113.40 (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthem 

message: An image used in this article, , has been nominated for speedy deletion at Wikimedia Commons for the following reason: Copyright violations 
;What should I do?
Don't panic; deletions can take a little longer at Commons than they do on Wikipedia. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion (although please review Commons guidelines before doing so). The best way to contest this form of deletion is by posting on the image talk page.
* If the image is non-free then you may need to upload it to Wikipedia (Commons does not allow fair use)
* If the image isn't freely licensed and there is no fair use rationale then it cannot be uploaded or used.
* If the image has already been deleted you may want to try Commons Undeletion Request
This notification is provided by a Bot --CommonsNotificationBot (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: File:Copa Libertadores 2007.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion

message: Per above, common guys, do something.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.196.104.52 (talk) 19:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete the anthem section 

message: There are multiple issues to deal with in the section "Cultural Impact". First of all, the section's lede is superfluous, it doesn't add anything to what you can say of any other footbal club international competition (see WP:WEASEL). The subsection "Sueño Libertadores" is based upon a 2004 Mexican article about the first Mexican clubs to participate in the tournament, hardly a global point of view of the Libertadores Cup; clearly a case of WP:UNDUE. The investment made by several clubs to win the trophy are well sourced and worth of mention, but only under a new header. The completely unsourced subsection "La Copa se mira y no se toca", whose title derives from an old fans' cliche common to several countries in South America used to taunt rivals, has nothing to do with the early supremacy of the "Atlantic" football giants of the continent over those of the "Pacific" or western region of the continent. It could stand, however, if a source citing this phrase in the context of Libertadores Cup is found in a source originated in these countries (Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Colombia).--Darius (talk) 14:06, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural Impact 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Copa Libertadores. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.caindependiente.com/titulos/copaslibertadores.html
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.flamengo.com.br/site/conteudo/conteudo.php?id=12
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100716000450/http://www.colocolo.cl:80/el-club/ to http://www.colocolo.cl/el-club/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110624041053/http://www.estadao.com.br:80/noticias/esportes,santos-e-campeao-da-libertadores-2011,735944,0.htm to http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/esportes,santos-e-campeao-da-libertadores-2011,735944,0.htm
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.conmebol.com/conmebol/mainMedia.html?id=15171&viewpage='full'
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:22, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 10 external links on Copa Libertadores. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added  tag to http://www.santosfc.com.br/historia/default.asp?id=18033&c=Hist%F3ria&st=T%EDtulos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.colocolo.cl/el-club/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100608184737/http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos to http://www.bocajuniors.com.ar/el-club/titulos
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/esportes%2Csantos-e-campeao-da-libertadores-2011%2C735944%2C0.htm
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.conmebol.com/conmebol/mainMedia.html?id=15171&viewpage=%27full%27
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100505005228/http://www.southamericanfutbol.com/category/copa-libertadores/ to http://www.southamericanfutbol.com/category/copa-libertadores/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 22:47, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion:
* 
* 
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons files used on this page have been nominated for deletion 

message: All content is right.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.223.6.221 (talk) 07:57, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is right 

message: I think these subtitles in the History section really should be changed. I don't think these eventual winners represent much and it seems like a narrative created just for the sake of the article. Maybe a better idea would be to merge the sections in a decade subtitle and add another section for "River-Boca in Madrid and single match final (2018-present)"? I don't have the time to do it right now, but it seems to be more relevant. Suggestions welcomed. Snitor (talk) 04:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I listened to your suggestion about a more neutral and less editorialised header, and tried to clean up the quality of writing, yet it is nowhere near the rest of the article. I don't know who the primary author of this page was when it became a GA in 2010, but he or she is sorely needed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C5:E1AB:4500:953C:C1AA:9F84:9B0F (talk) 21:35, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Dominance (2010-2013) and Argentine Comeback 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 20:05, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Copa Libertadores →  – A user moved this page to  with the rationale "For some years now, CONMEBOL, which is the organizer of the event, has been advertising the expression “CONMEBOL Libertadores” as the new name of the competition. So it is only fair that this article recognizes the new official name of the competition." The article was then moved back to Copa Libertadores with the rationale WP:RMUM. The page was again moved to  with the same rationale. I moved it back here to maintain status quo and to start a move discussion to avert a move war. I don't have a preference one way or the other myself TartarTorte 18:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 30 November 2023 

message: The article states: "In 1965, it was named in honor of the heroes of South American liberation, such as Simón Bolívar, José de San Martín, Pedro I, Bernardo O'Higgins, and José Gervasio Artigas, among others".
But it's not like that. The name Libertadores was used before, just look at these two articles from 1960 and 1961:
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/153931_03/3482
http://memoria.bn.br/DocReader/112518_03/5292 VAN ZANT (talk) 09:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name