Talk:Abel Maldonado

message: Where are this guy's ancestors from? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.151.146.150 (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity 

message: Maldonado will not be termed out in 2008.
He is a great man i have worked for him before  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.157.160 (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Corrected error

message: The nomination must be getting close to 90-days. GoodDay (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead-line for Lieutenant Governor confirmation 

message: Is it true that Maldonado has an anti-LGBT record?  This information should be included in his article. Click below:http://stop8.org/2010/09/just-who-is-this-abel-maldonado-clown-anyway.htmlBay Area Native (talk) 07:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-LGBT record 

message: There was a Los Angeles Times article on October 27th, 2010 titled "Lieutenant Governor Abel Maldonado's farm cited for safety violations". The article was less than complimentary. Does Wikipedia consider the article poorly sourced or have some other problem with the article causes the article information to not be posted?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.15.226 (talk) 06:23, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Los Angeles Times Article 

message: Regardless of Gavin Neesom's status, Maldonado's term as LtG expired at 11:00 AM PST today. Therefore, he's no longer Lieutenant Governor of California. GoodDay (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently not accurate; see .  Frank  |  talk  22:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If I understand the California Constitution correctly, Maldondao (by virture of not being elected LtG in November 2010) is no longer Lieutenant Governor as of 11:00 AM PST today. Doesn't the State Constitution have the final say? GoodDay (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. All we can go by is what reliable sources are reporting. The State's web site still has Maldonado's name at http://ltg.ca.gov, and the scant few sources that are reporting anything on the matter are saying he's remaining until Newsom is sworn in, and they are saying that date is TBD. Whether this would turn into an actual lawsuit/crisis at some point if this were to drag on longer than that is anyone's guess. (See Richard Ravitch, circa 2009, for example.) I know you've been around long enough to know that we don't interpret legal documents around here...you may well be correct that he is no longer LTG of CA, but that's not what is available to us in reliable sources.  Frank  |  talk  22:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The State Constitution is a reliable source, certainly. It oughtta trump other sources. GoodDay (talk) 22:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a WP:PRIMARY source. We found out in Bush v. Gore, United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008, and 2009 New York State Senate leadership crisis, among other recent, memorable cases, that there is interpretation of these things. The reality right now is that reliable sources are reporting Maldonado is still the Lt. Gov of California. It may be non-sensical, but I don't know of any Wikipedia policy that would support us stating otherwise. If you do, please cite it. I can be convinced. Surprised, perhaps, but convinced.  Frank  |  talk  22:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have provided a reliable source that trumps all others, the California Constituion. GoodDay (talk) 22:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

text: See Article V, section 16 of the State Constitution. GoodDay (talk) 22:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Beside the point. It's a primary source and it is not the final answer on the matter. Remember that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. There is no Wikipedia policy that allows us to interpret the CA Constitution to draw the conclusion that Maldonado is no longer the Lt. Gov of CA, and we do have reliable sources that state that he remains Lt. Gov. You may be 100% correct that the constitution states otherwise, but that doesn't mean he no longer holds the position. I really don't know; I'm going by what the reliable sources are reporting. And clearly it's a grey area. For example, if you go to http://gov.ca.gov, there is no link at all to the lt. gov's page. But if you go to http://ltg.ca.gov, there is a link to the gov's page...except it has Arnold's picture. So it points to the right place but has not been updated. So the people in state government there know what's going on...which is that it's an unusual situation. If Maldonado were no longer the Lt. gov in the eyes of the government of CA, his page would be updated.  Frank  |  talk  22:56, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The people didn't choose Maldonado to be LtG After 11:00 AM today. I can't continue this discussion, if you're going to ignore the State Constition as the primary source. GoodDay (talk) 23:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but I disagree with you intepretation & have made my edit at the infobox. If you want to contest it via reverting, that's your choice. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have undone that edit; you do not have WP:CONSENSUS for it, either here or at Talk:List_of_Governors_of_California. Please understand - I am not saying I have any opinion on whether or not he is still the Lt. Gov of CA, nor am I "interpreting" the Constitution of CA. I am going by Wikipedia policy; that is, after all, what is being discussed here.  Frank  |  talk  23:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see it as disruption on your part. Therefore, it's best for me to depart this discusson 'now'. PS: According to your sources I've added Maldonado to the infobox at Jerry Brown article. GoodDay (talk) 23:24, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: ...which looks perfectly in accordance with WP:V to me. As I've said before...if you feel my interpretation of Wikipedia policy is incorrect, please show me where. I can be convinced.  Frank  |  talk  23:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll wait & let the Wiki-community decide on who's correct here, not you. GoodDay (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely the correct way to do it. WP:CONSENSUS is a key policy around here, as is WP:V. And in any event, this is likely to become a non-issue in a matter of days, perhaps a week. Thanks for your understanding.  Frank  |  talk  23:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There'll still be arguments over the dates, after Newsom takes his oath, no doubt. GoodDay (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

text: For the record, there is no Section 16 in Article V of the California Constitution.http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.const/.article_5  Furthermore, there is nothing about 11:00 AM whatsoever.  Indeed, this is why Ronald Reagan was sworn in as Governor a few minutes after midnight, as his predecessor, Pat Brown, remained Governor until his successor (Reagan) took office.See bottom of page 172 to top of page 173 of Governor Reagan: His Rise to Power by Lou Cannon. OCNative (talk) 05:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lieutenant Governor 

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