Talk:Ascension (Stargate)

message: As far as I know, the concept of ascension has existed in science fiction for FAR FAR far longer than since it was introduced to Stargate, and yet there is no discussion of this in the Wiki. Ascension is a common theme to MANY science fiction writers including Ian M. Banks and others. Anyone else know more/want to change this, or the disambiguation, article? 86.3.34.97 18:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: True Origin

message: "This suggests that Buddhism was founded upon the studies into Ascension that the Ancients made."
Does one of the characters make this suggestion? If so, can someone write in that it was suggested by so and so character? If there is no source for the suggestion it shouldn't be in here because it wouldn't be encyclopedic 06:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Daniel says so in less words, but the whole episode itself suggests it with more strength. There really is no doubt that the suggestion is intended. --Alfakim-- talk 16:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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message: I may already know what ascension is, but I'll be damned if this article was even the least bit clear on what it is. People don't want (boring) episode summaries when they're trying to find out what a key concept of a television series' plot is.Apostrophe 05:34, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you are getting at but it still is good to have an explanation of how SG1 came to larn about ascennsion. Mabey there should be a brief summary of what it is then go into further detail about what episodes it was in. Also some info on how the ancients researched ascension in Stargate Atlantis would probably be good to--Lightamplification 07:04, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I think the plot summaries are good, but perhaps you are right that there needs to be a clearer, more specific description section before them. What exactly did you find was unclear though? I thought that the first paragraph was sufficient. --alfakim 19:06, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree with the first poster.  This article is very poorly written, badly organized, and excludes many key details.  It needs a major rework.  I should tag this article for cleanup.  Tobyk777 02:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Clarity

message: The Ontology section needs a lot of cleaning up, if not large scale scithing. JoshuaZ 02:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've modified and retitled the Ontology section. Its still pretty bad thought. JoshuaZ 02:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ontology 

message: The ascended people of the Stargate Atlantis episode Epiphany get surprisingly little mention in this article, despite the fact that the episode is one of the only times we've seen someone ascend in the series (other than Daniel and Orlen), and a bit of insight into the actual process of ascending. Kuhan 03:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epiphany 

message: Generally the page had too many photos. But in addition to this, the ascended Oma photo pushed the Ascended Orlin photo over into the article. I was originally going to make the Oma photo smaller, but I realized that we already have a picture of Oma, and the real purpose is to show what an ascended being looks like, no need for two photos for that, and no need for two photos of Oma. The Filmaker 19:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ascended Oma Photo

message: Does this article have too many pictures? They dont seem all necessary. JoshuaZ 14:57, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think, perhaps. Not really. They all illustrate the paragraphs next to them. Some are quite vital.-- Alfakim --  talk  15:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many pictures? 

message: Man, I really spend too much time on this article. 
Anyhow, I was never particularly good at citing sources in school, but the amount of cites in this article seems a little excessive.  Wikipedia advises to only cite when the fact stated is likely to or has been disputed.  In that case, we should probably remove most of them except the snopes cite.  If needed, we could make a list at the bottom of the page of episodes of note/interest, but at the moment, the amount of cites seems akin to someone citing every line of the Jesus article to a verse of the Bible.  Any thoughts? --Kuhan 04:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree Wikipedia encourages more refs and cites.  An example of a Stargate article with an admazing, number of refs, almost tot the point of overkill is DNA Resequencer.  I think all the sources are crucial.  Almost everything in the article, mabe even the entire stargate project is definite and pretty much undisputable if you watch the show.  We shouldn't remove all the refs, in fact, I don't think this article has enough.  Tobyk777 05:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing sources 

message: "The Ascended plane of existence appears to have several 'levels' and 'ranks', evident because some Ascended beings are greater in power than others. As seen in such episodes as "Threads", those who have been Ascended for longer, or who Ascended of their own wisdom, achieve a "higher" Ascension; Daniel Jackson, who is Ascended by Oma Desala, is always of the least power."
I removed that because we've seen no evidence of any Ascended beings being "more powerful" than any others on an individual level.  Daniel Jackson is always interfered with because the other Ascended beings act as a group, not because he's the youngest and weakest.  Anubis was forced down to a lower plane of existence by the others acting together, Morgana was taken away by the others acting as a group, etc.  If it turns out that there is such a correlation between age and power, we don't know about it yet because it hasn't been mentioned in any episode. 
If there is such a connection, then why is Oma unable to defeat Anubis on the Ascended planes?  He Ascended millenia after her, and with her help as a matter of fact, and isn't even fully Ascended anymore, but the two are completely perfectly matched that neither will ever be able to defeat the other (Mentioned quite specifically in "Threads").  JBK405 19:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are completely right.  I read that sentence and it didn't make sense to me either.  However, some ascneded beings are more powerful than others.  Their power depends on how many humnas they have worshiping them, not how old they are.  That is why the Ori are more powerful than the Ancients.  Tobyk777 22:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Power and Age

message: I just removed this;
Also, this whole matter of Ascension, and all things related with it, reminds of similar god-like´Q´ race (´" Q "-beying) from Q - dimension´, as it is from the Star Trek universe.
from the 'as a central theme section' for reasons of poor grammar & phrasing, as well as not fitting the section it was placed in and using incorrect and confusing terminolgy for the Q Continuum. But I think that a small reference to the Q continuum would be suitable as a reference to a similar concept, as well as the similarity of presenting the continuum and the higher plane as a mundane real world representation to less advanced beings brought into them.
Perhaps a small section for similar beings/concepts in other fiction? Though none leap to mind off the top of my head, I'm sure there's a few that are similar enough to warrant mention in such a section.Number36 23:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Q Continuum

message: I would just like to point out that the Stargate Atlantis episode Tao of Rodney completely contradicts this whole article of ascension.  Aparently, the evolutionary aspect of ascension and the spiritual side are not independent.  They are both needed. I could be wrong but after watching the episode I do feel that this section should be rewriteen.
Adam Y 19:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, I believe the whole spiritual side simply allows one's body to achieve the state required for ascension. The subconscious mind will not allow the mind to achieve the correct mental state if one is not at rest with oneself. 82.21.67.38 17:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major problems with this article

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message: We don't know that there's even such a thing as Spiritual Ascension. The article currently contains a lot of Original Research. All of the people who Ascended at Kheb were most probably helped by Oma and it was never stated that all of the generations that came before that of Teer's in "Epiphany" Ascended. She stated that they'd been in there for "many generations". It's most likely (in my opinion) that they've been there for many generations meditating to Ascend. With each generation, the meditation helped them further along the evolutionary ladder culminating in generation(s) of Ascension. I will edit the article to reflect this should no one protest in the near future. After all, virtue is not a necessity for Ascension so any Tom, Dick and Jane could just sit down and meditate. And you really think Teer's little sister managed to Ascend on her own simply through meditation? What was she, 12? She spontaneously Ascended through meditation after, what, 9 years of meditation? Doubtful. Yuna-chan (talk) 20:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritual Ascension 

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message: I really dont have a clue...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.204.152 (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Were the Ori killed or not? 

message: Why is the word "Ascend" in uppercase everywhere throughout this article? It's a standard English verb and should be written according to the rules of the English language. - Sikon (talk) 10:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uppercase 

message: In 2006, this article was assessed as A-class, seemingly without discussion. Well, this article doesn't fulfill the current quality demands anymore, and I am not sure it ever did (for example, it doesn't list any real-world sources except one that I would label as synthesis. I therefore boldly re-assess this article as start-class. If a merge target comes up (probably Ancient (Stargate) or a new Fictional universe of Stargate, who knows), this article will likely be transwikiied and then trimmed and merged, if it isn't AfDed first. – sgeureka t•c 16:09, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Lower quality class to Start-class