Talk:Lesbian until graduation/Archive 1

message: I removed this paragraph:
:More specifically, the term LUG may be used to refer to a previously heterosexual woman, who due to either peer pressure or an affirming environment at a university may change her sexual orientation on a temporary basis. Many of these women find the lifestyle ultimately untenable or unsatisfying, and absent the supportive environment, lapse into their traditional, heterosexual orientation. In jest, it's usually used to refer to a vocal or militant lesbian on a university campus, with the understanding that their strong support is due to the novelty of the practice rather than any real devotion, and that it'll pass quickly in spite of their previously strong support of homosexuality.
This is really just conjecture and isn't relevant to the term or its usage (which should be the subject of the article). If any of these ideas can be substantiated with sources, then they should go into another article, such as Homosexuality. Demi T/C 08:00, 2005 Apr 21 (UTC)
:Particularly, the idea that some sort of "temporal homosexuality" can be caused by peer pressure (and does that really exist?) or an affirming environment smells like the "choosen lifestyle" argument of those wishing to "cure" homosexuality. Therefore, such statements need backup by facts. -- AlexR 08:19, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The point of this idea seems, from what I've read on it, is that people are 'experimenting' with gay / lesbian relationships without the need to label themselves gay or lesbian.  It is a rejection of the polar ideas of hetero / homo (or bi as a third category).  Kinsey's continum of sexual identity might be incorporated into the article as well then. --ShaunMacPherson 14:31, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing middle paragraph 

message: I was a physics geek at MIT, but I did get to see a bit of the world.  Most importantly for the discussion here, I met more than a few Wellesley girls, so I can verify that the term and its variant "bisexual until graduation" are in active use.  Not that this bit of original research is useful in any scholarly way, but I thought I'd just make it available.  In my hearing at least, these descriptions were not used in a derogatory way, even by young women who viewed themselves as firmly homosexual.
Best wishes, Anville 12:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdotal evidence 

message: Should there be reference here to feminist/queer theory and fluidity of sexuality?  It seems like there should.  As an alternative theoretical perspective.  (People do write papers on this stuff.)  So, if I added a paragraph, would it be acceptable?
:I noticed that this article seemed to be (in the majority of it's citations) at least 10 years out of date.  I have tried to update it, but clearly more needs to be done.  While I haven't added the above mentioned paragraph, I have added an "also see" to the Klein Sexual Orientation Grid.  But I do second the notion that a more comprehensive discussion of same should be in there.  
:Also see no mention of the current self-identification as "Bi" on MySpace phenomena which seem to be prevalent from Junior-high on up regardless of what type of school environment people are in.  
:I also noticed that according to the statistics sited in the article, that 75% of persons so labeled actually retain a LGBT identity, which makes me wonder about much of the premises altogether. . . . CyntWorkStuff 23:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is such a tricky issue.  One issue that is not touched on in this article is this: For many women college is a time to adopt a bisexual self-identification as a transitory identity, prior to adopting a lesbian self-identification.  For these women they do not feel comfortable enough from their parents or society to come out as lesbians.  Eventually, perhaps after college, they shift from a bisexual identity to a lesbian one.  However, I want to stress that I am not jumping on the anti-bisexual bandwagon. There are papers on these issues...Arbol25 01:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Queer Theory

message: Is this claptrappery encyclopedic?? I have been trying to comprehend these iniquitous articles, however I have never heard of any or most of these unnatural theories in most of these sexuality or orientation articles. My point being that this article needs to be deleted, not only is it bias, it is being used as a platform for other agendas. Perhaps the article should have a chart of how many young ladies becoming lesbians at some alarming rate, I mean until graduation.--Margrave1206 23:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you give please give some concrete examples of exactly where you find this article has gone wrong and how you envision we could all work together to make it more "encyclopedic". I'm also unclear about this "factory" stuff you mention.  Thanks CyntWorkStuff 07:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read what other people have stated? Do you feel this article is encyclopedic? I read the article and it leaves a lot of questions, is it truth, fiction, or an agenda. Or perhaps all the above. Would is the article trying to say. Via the article one could believe that lesbians are made in college, or are is it stating that most girls are lesbians, however could it be saying that colleges are lesbian factories? It might suite the article to have a graph or chart, well? These ideas, are not ones on finds in formal encyclopedias, until wiki I have not heard of such madness. Perhaps this is why some colleges in the states have reputations. One could imagine that there is less and less learned study and more buggery than other activities? I don't understand why you don't understand what we are saying. --Margrave1206 18:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It is a term that exists. No need to get offended over a poorly written article. Just know that if anything, the term stems from a positive connotation because it is used in societies that actually encourage lesbian behavior. The article, however, is all over the map and is not very encyclopedic with it's tone. Likwidshoe 12:04, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The college factory?