Talk:Tenore contraltino

message: Of the many terms for countertenors I have come across, this one is new to me. That doesn't mean of course that it doesn't exist but my suspicion is that this page may be a product of original research or a hoax. I am going to place a tag accordingly.Nrswanson (talk) 03:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Altino: Is this a real term?

message: After waiting three weeks for a response I have gone ahead with nominating this page for a speedy delete as a hoax.Nrswanson (talk) 23:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomination for deletion

message: Jeanambr, no one is trying to "confute" you or challenge the facts, as I have stated numerous times before. What I suggested were ways to improve the article, and it really is not helpful to characterize suggestions for improvement as personal challenges and respond to editors who make them in the way that you have.
*Firstly, all articles in Wikipedia, should have multiple sources and perspectives, rather than relying on a single author as the source, no matter who he or she is. I'm not saying you have to provide them, but future editors may be able to do this. I list below various publications that deal with or mention the tenore contraltino:
:*Gregory W. Bloch, "The pathological voice of Gilbert-Louis Duprez", Cambridge Opera Journal (2007), 19:11-31 Cambridge University Press
:*Richard Osborne, Rossini: his life and works, Oxford University Press US, 2007
:*Enrico Stinchelli, "The Rossini Renaissance and the Search for the Tenore Contraltino" in Greatest Stars of the Opera: The Lives and Voices of Two Hundred Golden Years (also published in Italian as Le stelle della lirica: i grandi cantanti della storia dell'opera, Gremese Editore, 2002)
:*Charles Alexander Guilmette, Vocal physiology; a practical treatise, Pearson, 1877.
:*William Ashbrook, Donizetti and His Operas, Cambridge University Press, 1983
:*Sergio Martinotti, La musica a Milano, in Lombardia e oltre, Vita e Pensiero, 2000
*Secondly, my suggestion that it was confusing to continue to use tenor altino in the article as if it were interchageable with tenore contraltino, has indeed been acted on by another editor. Similarly, I suggested that the relationship between tenore contraltino and terms like tenore di grazia  and haute-contre, should be clarified. This is especially important because the latter two terms both have Wikipedia articles and all three should be cross-checked for consistency. Again, I'm not saying that you have to do this, but future editors will want to consider this. To a large extent this has now been done in the tenore contraltino article, although there is still room for improvement, via copy-editing for idiomatic English.
*Thirdly, I suggested improvements in the footnotes and referencing, requirements which apply to all Wikipedia articles, not simply this one. To say that providing the name of the article "will not help any English reader to do any kind of checking", is not the point. It is useful to know the name of the article (and the author if given). This is simply good practice. It can be seen in the references for Polly Young, Opéra bouffe, and Adelina Stehle, for example, and is something all articles should eventually aim for. To some extent this has been done in Tenore contraltino by providing the name of the article in the Grande enciclopedia della musica lirica, although the use of op. cit. remains. See Wikipedia:Footnotes#Style recommendations for more about this, and why its use is discouraged.
- Voceditenore (talk) 09:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Voceditenore, given your last point of view (which, however, still seems to me somewhat different from above), I cannot but agree with you and hope that the article will be soon improved as much as possible. Best. Jeanambr (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions for improvement