Talk:History of New York City

message: Shouldn't this be called History of the City of New York and there should be a History of New York State? Alex756 04:27, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: See History_of_New_York    Pollinator 18:55, 14 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "In 1664, the British conquered the area and renamed it "New York" after the English Duke of York and Albany. "
Is that true? Theres no reference. It seems far more likely that "New York" was named after "York" in England. 84.66.193.17 15:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Following up on Vicki Rosenzweig's list, lets have more on
:Aaron Burr
:Cotton Democrats and Secession
:Gilded Age
:Garment Workers, a link to Triangle Shirtwaist
:Robert Moses (and his enemies)
:Harlem Riots of 1935 [?] and 1964
:Nuyoricans
:New York's ethnic diversity and political trends
:New York School Strike and the AFT
:Horace Greeley
:Jimmy Walker [the Mayor, not the TV actor]
:Al Smith
:Bill O'Dwyre
:Robert Wagner, Jr.
:Abe Beame
:Ed Koch
:David Dinkins
:New York writers [[[Mailer]], Roth, Whitman (if we count Brooklyn back before the merger as part of New York), Melville, and many many more]
:New York painters [[[Ash can]], Abstract Expressionists, Pop, etc.]
:New York photographers [[[Steichen]], Weegee, Arbus]
:New York musicians [Harlem, 52nd Street, Copland, Bernstein, Brill Building, Tin Pan Alley, Gershwin, New York City Punk: Ramones, Velvet Underground, Talking Heads and others who are associated with the City]
:Greenwich Village
:Organized Crime (and unorganized crime as well)
:Broadway
:New York as depicted in film
Also, the article needs to be reorganized to put history up at the top and to deal with crime issues in a less lurid way.
: I moved History up. At first I was annoyed by this History section with its one-off paragraphs about important stages and events in the evolution of the city, but now I think it might be a good approach, unless someone is willing to write a really comprehensive history (a massive article). Little history snapshots can be good if they cut right to the heart of issues and personalities. All you list above and more should be covered. JDG 04:01, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a developing--and not well organized--overlap between this article and the History of New York City article it links to. I'd suggest putting most of this in the separate history article, with perhaps brief mentions of a few points (for example Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, Robert Moses--these should have their own articles anyhow.) As it is now, the 2003 blackout gets more prominence than Ed Koch or Horace Greeley. Vicki Rosenzweig 19:02, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  More history please 

message: Wetman,you may be correct about when Lower Broadway became fully non-residential (I'll look into it when I can), but your phrasing about Wash. Sq., Lafayette etc.,. completely throws off the balance of this paragraph. Quite a clausal mess at the moment. It originally had a rich-folks-here/poor-folks-there structure that got the point about "antipodes" across nicely. Now it's just all over the place. Would you take a crack at re-balancing it? I see this as a very necessary, meaty paragraph in an article a little too given to factoids and one-offs. The article needs this para to be strong... You know, now that I think of it more, the Lower Broadway/Fifth Avenue<->Five Points/Lower East Side mirroring should be brought back, with date adjustments. Lower Bway and Fifth Avenue were, successively, the two primary loci for extreme personal wealth in the city, just as Five Points and the LE Side were loci for poverty. This paragraph doesn't have to be narrowly tied to "the mid 1800s" as it currently is. It can have more of a turn-of-the-century to mid 1800s sweep. This would bring back the clean reference to these socioeconomic antipodes and all would be well. What do you think? JDG 16:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raw unregulated capitalism paragraph 

message: "On May 16, 1977, a New York Airways helicopter idling at the helipad on the MetLife...building...": why does an accident like this merit mention in an article on a city the size of New York? At most, it would seem to me to belong in an article on that particular building (which if it doesn't have an article, deserves one.) -- Jmabel | Talk 22:30, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)
-- I believe the incident does deserve some mention here because it brought about the end of the idea of using the tops of skyscrapers for helipads. It also occured on one of New York's tallest buildings in the heart of Midtown. --Jleon 15:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  helicopter 

message: Following the discussion on this talk page and from my own knowledge, I can see that the History of NYC is a very broad subject that could well do with a serious expansion into a multi-article series like  History of France, History of Poland, History of Russia and History of the United States.
The titles I chose are "informal", you can see the pages linked to are named by year.  I tried to choose turning points marking broadly real historical periods as the boundaries, which should make for useful starts and ends to articles.  Of course the transitions from Dutch to British to American rule should be clear.  Tammany and Consolidation goes from the election of Fernando Wood as the first Tammany Mayor, which is also coincident with the merger of Williamsburg into Brooklyn, to the consolidation of the City of Greater New York.  The Early 20th century ends with the end of WWII and Mayor Laguardia's long era, and the start of the suburbanization trend.  Post-World War II ends in 1977 with the election of Koch and the end of classical "Liberal New York".
Of course, a couple of the sub-articles might be split as they grow in time, but I think turning one page to seven should be at least enough for now :).  What do you think of this plan?--Pharos 20:12, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Each time you "peel off" a section, please leave a condensed version of it here at the trunk article, with a header in italics Main article Tammany and Consolidation etc. The condensed version should be complete in itself. --Wetman 04:28, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal for -very- radical expansion 

message: Why would naming as New Angoulême be specificall in honor French king Francis I? What particular connection did Francis I have to Angoulême? - Jmabel | Talk 21:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francis I 

message: We also need to mention the 2003 blackout in NYC. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not important enough for this article but is mentioned at the end of the linked History of New York City (1978-present) Jim.henderson (talk) 03:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  2003 blackout 

message: A respected editor has described some indigenous inhabitants as "sedentary." I assume he means native
Americans who had ceased to be hunter-gatherers which is interesting in itself. But somehow, in context, one now conjures up the image of a couch potato with a tv control! Could this adjective be changed to something more flattering, but just as accurate? Student7 (talk) 20:44, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, Wikipedia seems totally committed to the late 20th century vulgar meaning of Sedentary; the classical and anthropological meaning can be found with some searching, in Sedentism.  It suggests to me that this article is not the only one that could do with better pointing.  Jim.henderson (talk) 22:58, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Sedentary" native Americans?

message: The Wappinger are related to the Lenape, they were not a "band" of the Lenape. Manhattan was reputedly sold by the Canarsee who were a Lenape band. There were also other tribes collecrively referred to as the Metoac on Long Island (Brooklyn and Queens) who frequented Manhattan. The Raritan were a band of the Lanape on Staten Island. The Hackensack from Jersey also frequented Manhattan.7mike5000 (talk) 21:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wappinger and Lenape 

message: There is no mention of Henry Hudson and the Half Moon.7mike5000 (talk) 21:08, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry Hudson and the Half Moon 

message: Since the charter that Stuyvesant gave to New Amsterdam was pretty much the same declaration he had EARLIER given to Albany (yes, Albany is older) and I know for a fact that Albany was made a village, technically dorpe in the Dutch language, this makes that charter a village (literal translation of dorpe, or more realistically a town when compared to English New England terminology used in that day). I would like to know if sources, very scholarly sources not fluff pieces, truly and consistently used the word CITY as a political structural term for New Amsterdam. Otherwise Albany (Beverwyck) was created as a city prior to New Amsterdam (and settlement at Albany was commenced before the city of New York anyways so please whoever keeps putting in articles that NY is the oldest city in the state, you are incorrect).Camelbinky (talk) 21:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  City in 1653 or village? 

message: An editor has deleted the following:
"Written documentation of the history of New York City began with the first European visit to the area by Giovanni da Verrazzano, in command of the French ship, La Dauphine, when he visited the region in 1524. It is believed he sailed in Upper New York Bay where he encountered native Lenape, returned through The Narrows where he anchored the night of April 17, and then left to continue his voyage. He named the area of present-day New York City Nouvelle-Angoulême (New Angoulême) in honor of Francis I of France, King of France and Count of Angoulême.(ref)Samuel Eliot Morison, The European Discovery of America: The Northern Voyages (1971). p. 490.(endref)
The above was kind of WP:UNDUE considering the later results. For example, who now cares what he named it? Still, it does contain the recognizable Verrazzano name and it was important enough to be mentioned by Morison. Also, his visit should have been quite an eye-opener for the Lenape!
I had thought the East Coast was riddled with "undocumented" trappers during the 15th century, but perhaps this was further north (& closer to Europe).
It seems to be that we should have something about the 15th century. This may not quite be it, but it could be shortened. Student7 (talk) 21:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There is too much very important history in NYC to direct readers to the 15th century long before there was any city at all. Rjensen (talk) 11:46, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: 16th century details?

message: Found a non-WP:RS that said that "in 1850..large tracts of land..in NYC... were farm and forest." Can't seem to find anything online to support this. A map seems to suggest this, but also seems to be WP:SYNTH to make that conjecture!  :( Student7 (talk) 00:30, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Open land in 1850?

message: What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 08:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of New York City]] 

message: What is missing from the recently created Queens timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:28, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of Queens]] 

message: What is missing from the recently created Bronx timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 18:21, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Timeline of the Bronx]] 

message: First, apologies for putting my suggestion in the wrong place previously.  I came to this page looking to learn more of the history of this period in NYC, and in my opinion, this section reads as though the author's focus is the details of slavery during this period.  This is of course important history and should be included, but I don't think it should be the central focus of a section with this heading.  Perhaps a link to dedicated section or article, which expounds further on the topic of slavery in the city would be more appropriate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.116.161.86 (talk) 20:32, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  European settlement-British and Revolution 

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thread_title:  Nomination for deletion of Template:NYC year nav 

message: I propose that New_Angoulême be merged into History_of_New_York_City. I think that the content in the New_Angoulême article can easily be explained in the context of History_of_New_York_City, and the History_of_New_York_City article is of a reasonable size that the merging of New_Angoulême will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. 24.212.156.3 (talk) 02:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with the above assessment, and if no one chimes in to say otherwise in the next month or so I'll perform the merge. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 19:03, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: "The history of New York City began with the first European explorer, the Italian Giovanni di Verrazzano in 1200. European settlement began with the Dutch in 19958.
The "Sons of Liberty" campaigned against British authority in New York City, and the Stamp Act Congress of representatives from throughout the Thirteen Colonies met in the city in 1e965 to organize resistance to Crown policies"
The Italian man was born in 1400-something and the rest of the numbers doesn't make much sense either. Felixsj (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the first sentences