Talk:Dillant–Hopkins Airport

message: I added the history section based on what appeared in Part 16 of Upper Ashuelot: A History of Keene New Hampshire (). Unfortunately this only covers from '39-'52 so that's why I stopped at 1952. I know President Clinton actually flew into Dillant-Hopkins in the '90s, but when exactly I'm not sure. Think it was either the fall of '95 to the late summer/early fall of '96. If anyone knows any history past '52 that can be added then it should be as the section currently makes it sound as if the airport basically closed in the '50s. --annonymous, 12/23/09 12:56 AM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.4.228 (talk) 05:57, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for adding the material and mentioning the source here.  I've put the source info into the article as a reference. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Part 17 has a few more paragraphs covering the airport up to 1967. --Ken Gallager (talk) 13:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, added from Part 17 to bring the history up to 1967. --annonymous, 12/27/09 5:23 PM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.4.228 (talk) 22:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: Keene Public Library took down the old Upper Ashuelot site, so I did the search and have the reference links again. If anyone knows how to properly return them to the article, the links are http://keenepubliclibrary.org/sites/default/files/part16.pdf for part 16 and http://keenepubliclibrary.org/sites/default/files/part17.pdf for part 17. I'll try to add them myself, but am not sure I'll get the reference linking correct. --annonymous, 11/02/2010 3:03 AM EST.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.4.143 (talk) 07:04, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for hunting down the links!  I've formatted the references. --Ken Gallager (talk) 12:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. Should have probably checked things sooner to find out they'd changed things and the links were dead. --annonymous, 11/02/2010 10:53 PM EST.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.4.143 (talk) 02:53, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dead Links

message: This page was recently and without any discussion inappropriately moved from Dillant-Hopkins Airport with a hyphen to Dillant–Hopkins Airport with an endash. The overwhelming evidence is that airports are spelled with a hyphen, and it is my recommendation that it be moved back to Dillant-Hopkins Airport Apteva (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm open to alternatives.  The sign at the airport says both Keene Airport and Dillan Hopkins Airport, and it's also often called Keene Dillant Hopkins Airport.  But the hyphen is not a sensible alternative, since Dillant and Hopkins were two different people, and in WP style we connect names of two people with an en dash.  I don't know of any "overwhelming evidence that airports are spelled with a hyphen"; I don't know of any style guides with special guidance for airport names.  Dicklyon (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A review of the RM at Sea-Tac shows more than overwhelming evidence. Style has nothing to do with choosing a name. There will not be much available for a small airport like this, but for ones like Seattle-Tacoma or Minneapolis-Saint Paul International Airport there are thousands of references available. For a small airport, though the FAA is probably the most reliable source to use. In this case, clearly Dillant-Hopkins. Apteva (talk) 23:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't Talk:Seattle–Tacoma International Airport#Requested move reject both your theory that one can't use en dashes in proper names, and your theory that airport names are special, and the idea that WP styling is determined by sources, and support our use of WP styling as determined by WP:MOS?  My impression was that it did.  Why is there still any argument over changes that move things toward alignment with the MOS?  Dicklyon (talk) 01:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. That move close is under review. And will be reopened if not overturned. MOS does not determine titles. TITLE does. Apteva (talk) 20:41, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We're discussing a difference in styling, not a difference of name; "will be reopened if not overturned" sounds like a threat of continued disruption.  The close has clearly been endorsed by all reviewers already, in spite of your continuing rants there.  Your WP:IDHT attitude is tiring.  Dicklyon (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The appropriate action if someone thinks an article should have a particular name is to suggest it. If an RM fails, the normal procedure is to find out why, and at an appropriate time, re-introduce it as a second RM. To do otherwise would be detrimental to WP, and allow errors to go uncorrected. Other than the issue of prohibiting endashes from titles, which was brought up in 2007, if a majority of books use an endash, I have no problem using an endash. If a majority use an emdash I have no problem using an emdash. But to even suggest punctuation that is not used by a majority of publications is questionable at best. Apteva (talk) 01:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
*Oppose for the reason given. Apteva's claim is simply false. Many airport names have dashes, something Apteva has seen elsewhere. Apteva has demonstrated elsewhere that he does not understand how dashes are used. Now, it's possible a hyphen should be used here based on WP:ENDASH, but Apteva has not made that argument. The airport itself can't make up its mind how the name should be punctuated. Discussion should probably take place at the MOS, where people are most likely to be familiar with such details. — kwami (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's what I was thinking of. — kwami (talk) 00:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm thinking the airport is more like Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth than like Poland-Lithuania or Wilkes-Barre. Dicklyon (talk) 00:43, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We'd certainly have a dash in Dallas–Fort Worth Airport (though that article chooses a slash). To me, that's more like Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. But you could argue this one either way. — kwami (talk) 01:32, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Argue? Certainly? This is not a punctuation usage question. This is not a question of what we think should be or could be or might be used, it is simply a matter of determining based on our criteria for choosing titles, what the most appropriate title is - and that answer is clearly a hyphen, in this case. DFW has a slash as supported by their website "Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport", but if it had a "dash" by dash that would actually mean "hyphen" as to most people when they say dash they have no clue that a hyphen and a dash are different characters. Apteva (talk) 05:02, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course this is a punctuation-usage question. You're asking about the usage of hyphen vs dash, which are both punctuation. If the MOS supports a dash here, we should use a dash. If it supports a hyphen, we should use a hyphen. That's what the MOS is for. You haven't shown it is "clearly" anything, since your stated reason is spurious. — kwami (talk) 05:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And with that we can agree that we disagree. I am not going to engage in a circular conversation. I frankly have 4,000,000 other articles to work on instead. Move this one back and we can come back to this topic later. Apteva (talk) 05:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The move was in line with the MOS. You haven't given a reason that it should be an exception. — kwami (talk) 06:07, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Actually, it does. Title and text are formatted the same way. We don't use British spelling for the title and American for the text, for example. — kwami (talk) 05:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey