Talk:Pottawatomie massacre

message: changed "murdered" to killing. As "murder" suggests wrongdoing. His actions, although illegal at the time, can be considered heroic by others & it could be considered an act of war. "Killing" is more neutral & the charges & common name will elude nough to it, IMO. --Duemellon 18:37, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV: Killing vs. Murder

message: You indicate that Potawatomie was merely the first time that "pro-slavery forces were doing the bleeding". Don't you mean anti-slavery forces? It was Brown that was involved in the Potawatomie massacre. Johnor 22:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro-slavery?

message: John Brown did not kill children; James P. Doyle's sons were full grown. He didn't commit infanticide. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hipjiverobot (talk • contribs) .
+thats simply a blatant lie. go read a history book. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.185.250.195 (talk • contribs) .
Infanticide is an anthropological term for the willful killing of "infants" c.q. babies based on cultural rules. The term is not used correctly here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.240.169.85 (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the victims of Brown's band were full-grown men. Radgeek 01:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Children-Killing?

message: I have tagged this as NPOV since reading through it, it seems a certain amount conclusionary and uncited, though I'll freely admit I haven't looked in depth, this was more because an IP user appeared to be having problems with it and I wanted to move the discussion here instead of into the realms of personal attacks, edit warring etc. --pgk(talk) 10:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controvery section NPOV? 

message: The article states, "The company consisted of John Brown, four of his other sons — Frederick, Owen, Watson, and Oliver — Henry Thompson (his son-in-law), Thomas Winer, and James Townsley, whom John had induced to carry the party in his wagon to their proposed field of operations," then states, "The three men followed their captors out into the darkness, where Owen Brown and Salmon Brown killed them with broadswords," adding a name of someone who is not listed as in the compay.
24.28.165.165 17:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepency 

message: I fully expected a description of what happened after the massacre -- were Brown and his men hunted? Was there a trial?--Jrm2007 (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath? 

message: I added a POV tag because the section seems to be written to the standard of an encyclopedia.  It rather seems to be written like an essay in that it presents arguments made by the "opponent" and then disproves them.  Most of the information seems to be sourced which suggests the base of the section is alright but I feel it needs to be rewritten. 67.240.112.10 (talk) 23:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV in Role and motivation section 

message: See common lower-case usage in books.  Dicklyon (talk) 19:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that Ngrams search shows capitalisation as being dominant since the late 1980s. Anyway, an Ngrams search is useless here because it does not weigh the value of the sources in question. RGloucester  — ☎ 06:50, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Hardly dominant.  If you correct for titles and headings, caps are probably still in the minority.  Certainly nowhere close to the threshold test of "consistent".  Click through and look at books like this 1998 book and this 1997 one or this 1997 one and you'll see capitalized instances that were counted in n-grams but that provide zero support for capitalization in sentence context; WP uses sentence case in titles, as you surely know.   Every lowercase occurrence, by contrast, is evidence of capitalization being unnecessary (or in you theory, evidence that most writes and editors don't know English, perhaps). Dicklyon (talk) 07:35, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Book evidence

message: :Pottawatomie Massacre →  – Since guidelines, sources, and two-thirds of responding editors favor lowercase, it hard to see why the article was not moved after the previous RM discussion.  Can we try again?  See detailed data and analysis in the previous discussion. Dicklyon (talk) 04:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had a problem with the previous result, you should've filed a move review. RGloucester  — ☎ 05:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw no particular procedural flaw worthy of a review.  I discussed it with the closer, who noted "By my count there were 4 supports and 2 opposes who made about equal arguments in terms of the policies and guidelines" and gave his reasons for why he didn't see the net as a consensus.  I disagree with his assessment, but that's not something that would carry much weight at WP:MRV; just look at how things go there when there is a glaring procedural problem.  Dicklyon (talk) 06:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

text: I'm now overturning my close (see above) per the discussion there. Sunrise (talk) 02:11, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 January 2015 

message: Since the above non-admin RM close was contrary to the unaminous expressed opinion in the discussion, it is being reviewed at Wikipedia:Move_review#Pottawatomie_Massacre.  Dicklyon (talk) 04:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm now overturning my close (see above) per the discussion there. Sunrise (talk) 02:11, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Move review

message: See Our Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln, John Brown, and the Civil War Era by Stephen Oates.
"Rejecting a considerable body of evidence to the contrary, Malin argued that all the threats of murder and annihilation issued by proslavery forces had no impact on Brown, that enemy atrocities did not disturb him either, and that he instigated the Pottawatomie massacre largely for political reasons. According to Malin, Brown selected his victims for two reasons: because they had been associated with Cato's proslavery court when it sat in session at Pottawatomie Creek, and because they were going to testify against Brown at the Lykins County session of the court, to open on May 26, 1856, on a charge of treasonably resisting the pro-slavery territorial government. Yet Malin conceded that there was a problem with his interpretation: Brown had spared the life of James Harris, who had also been a juror on Cato's court. "If the assassination was directed at those who participated in the court, why was he permitted to go free?"
Malin did not answer his own question. Nor did he address himself to other problems his thesis contained. For one thing, since neither Brown nor any of his sons had been indicted at the Pottawatomie session of Cato's court, why should Brown have been preoccupied with the personnel of the court?"
There are several pages more in the book discussing Malin.
The article is pretty superficial, but I don't have the time to fix it. Doug Weller talk 11:11, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncritical use of Malin as a source 

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