Talk:Latin Kings (gang)

message: I removeded the following:
You can also identify them as your brother or sister in the struggle. though the neccesities might be different the strugle remains the same. we all face rough conditions that this capitalist and emperialistic society has forced us to be subjected to. we are one people one voice one movement.
Possibly vandalism. wirtten by [Jonathan] [Jay] [Rodriguez] 05:25, May 31,2005 (UTC)
Jonathan Rodriguez was born in February,15,1992
"The Almighty Latin King and Queen Nation (ALKQN) was started in Chicago, Illinois, during the 1940's by a group of individuals of Puerto Rican descent. Their alleged motivation for forming this group was an attempt at overcoming the prejudices they faced. They wanted to rise above the racism and create an organization of so-called Kings equipped to fight off injustice to better themselves and their communities. Their lives would, thus, be fulfilled. Oddly enough, most of its members were already incarcerated on serious criminal charges. Inevitably, the ALKN became one of Chicago's largest and most violent street gangs."
Why inevitably?  They might have formed some wonderful, peace-loving organization instead.  Changing it for NPOV.
Sdr 08:35, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You aren't using logic. The article says that because "most of its members were already incarcerated" the ALKN inevitably (unavoidably) became one of Chicago's largest/violent street gangs. It isn't probable that formerly incarcerated gang members, most likely convicted for violent or serious drug offenses, are going to start a community flower garden. The article is within the scope of acceptable limits. Pipe down. Haizum 02:13, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stanley "Tookie" Williams renounced his gang affilliation while in jail, so it's not impossible for criminals to change their ways. DonMEGA60645 13:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh right, after he killed multiple people, and after they gave him a spot on death row. What a hero. Haizum 14:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you link to an example? i.e., what other gang articles do you mean? LVehko (talk) 07:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Jonathan Rodriguez 

message: Folks, please discuss the issue.  Calling each other vandals and edit warring is not productive, and is making it awfully tempting for me to block you both.  Please discuss your rationale.  --Nlu (talk) 14:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: The latin king streetgang ARE part of the people alliance and one of the main founders of the Ally organization.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homan05 (talk • contribs) 06:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  People Alliance 

message: For when this page is no longer protected, the link to footnote 2 ("Gang wars shake Spain's Latin quarter") should be this.  Alcarillo (talk) 06:50, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct reference link. 

message: PHIlADEPHIA,PA.
HOUSTON, TX
*Latin kings are in hundreds of cities. It's not like we can list them all, nor should we even try. Niteshift36 (talk) 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New CIty 

message: I would propose that the last sentence in the correctional officer assasination paragraph be stricken as it is speculative in nature without evidence and therefore should not be a point of reference. Pueblonative (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correctional officer 

message: The 1st sentence as it stands right now:
"The Latin Kings are said to be the largest and most organized Hispanic street gang in the United States of America, which has its roots dating back to the 1940s in Chicago, Illinois."
I'm fixing the misplaced modifier.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.19.169 (talk) 04:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The U.S. is almost 70!  

message: The entire section about the alleged crimes by Latin King's members should be removed. They have no basis in the article, especially since it has not been proven they were preformed by members of the Latin Kings. Further more, it seems to be vandilism and bragging that could cause problems.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LPSatwork (talk • contribs) 21:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alleged Crimes 

message: who are the "highly intellectual Latin Kings"? There is no validation for this statement and should be removed unless there is a viable source. Will remove if no source is cited  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.213.77 (talk) 16:51, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed again until a reference can be provided. 99.24.202.119 (talk) 18:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingism 

message: All these "Recent" crimes are over a year old and limited to local Chicago news. Unlike the Federal cases they are hardly notable and should be removed. If there's any justification to keeping these articles please discuss. 99.24.202.119 (talk) 20:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Publicized Crimes

message: Keep or delete picture for Markings section. Kausticgirl (talk) 01:11, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gang pic to represent Markings section - Keep or delete? 

message: Most of this section was a cut and paste from an article in the Chicago Trib. I've deleted the section from the article but copied it here in case anyone wants to re-write it to avoid the copyright issues. Kausticgirl (talk) 09:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issue: 1997: Operation Lord Gino - copied from Chicago Trib 

message: Most of this section was a cut and paste from a press release on the FBI's website. I've deleted the section from the article but copied it here in case anyone wants to re-write it to avoid the copyright issues. 99.56.189.130 (talk) 03:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Maybe you aren't aware, but there is no copyright issue. Most federal documents, including FBI press releases, are not copyrighted. I'll take care of restoring it to the article. Niteshift36 (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issue: 2009: Operation Augustin Zambrano - copied from Chicago FBI press release 

message: I've re-organizaed the article so that it focuses first on what is common to all Latin Kings (i.e. History, Organizational structure, Culture, etc...). Then the article breaks down into three main sub-headings; King Motherland Chicago, Bloodline, and Latin Queens. 99.56.191.221 (talk) 06:30, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article organization 

message: User:24.12.107.202 has added the following story to the article.  I have removed it because it has undue weight to the rest of the article, and is more sensationalized than informative.  While I am not disputing the truth of the claims, this is an encyclopedia article not a random collection of facts.  Outside of the two sources given  I can not find any WP:RS which make mention of the incident. From what I can tell no arrests were made, and the only newspaper report that came of it was the one news article from the local paper.Coffeepusher (talk) 02:10, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Detailed execution and weight

message: Keeps removing huge swaths of information. User:CanadianLinuxUser keeps reverting his changes. Is there any way to ban Awesomedude1094 or his IP from editing this article?  
75.39.234.173 (talk) 75.39.234.173 (talk) 14:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Awesomedude1094 

message: * Overview: The last sentence makes no sense. Dominated by what? 
* Culture: "The teams Kings represent"??? What does this even mean? Is this slang? Doesn't make sense.
* Markings: The first sentence is all a jumble. Should either be separated into a bulleted list or should be separated into separate sentences.
The overall structure of the article is poorly designed. Chicago Kings have a long section for federal investigations. This may need to be it's own article or it's own section. The Bloodline have an extensive detailed history, but no listing of stings against them.  
I work with gangs on a pretty regular basis and it definitely seems in places that this article is written by gang members and not written by a third party about the gang. Example: an article about Christianity should not say "Jesus loves you", but should say "Christians believe that Jesus loves everyone." 
Over the past few hours I've added a bit of content, done some basic proofing and made some stylistic and formatting corrections. Overall seems like this needs a good deal of work, and considering they're such a giant gang, the article is fairly important, much more so than the Mexikanemi article I've done a great deal of work on.  
Timothyjosephwood (talk) 10:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Multiple Issues

message: Is there any evidence, at all, that they're actually rivals of the Ku Klux Klan, in any real sense? 
In what way would they rival each other? Is the Klan trying to muscle in on their drug distribution territory?
Sounds like made-up bullshit, which is not surprising on this website.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1009:B15F:4C09:78E9:E980:F0C4:58FB (talk) 01:21, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ku Klux Klan" 

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message: Please remove the Acronym ALKN from parenthesis, it's ALKQN, and LKN. There is however a writer from Hillsborough, A.L.K.N. check out his book, "Tough City And Love Poetry" nearly as climatic being chased around stalked by local Tampa porn stars. HateQwertyHacks (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: . This is sourced.  –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 19:17, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2019 

message: This article is missing good sources on the history of the gang and some are verifiably incorrect.  For example, chicagogangs.org states that Papa King was in his 40s when he was killed in 1988, making a date of 1954 impossible.   The chicagoganghistory.com site states that the beginning of the history leading to the Latin Kings goes back to 1954; but, that the gang was actually formed by the merger of other gangs in Humboldt Park in 1964.  While there may have been a longer history of Latin gangs in Chicago, the Latin Kings were not founded until 1964.
The article needs better sources because it does not have accurate information.  It also seems to be combining Latin gangs into this article, which is supposed to be about one specific gang -- Latin Kings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wphowellco (talk • contribs) 15:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Look up Clanton 14 gang on Wikipedia. Founded 1920 30 years before latin kings yet latin kings is the oldest latino gang according to this page Tonysinclair13g (talk) 06:33, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the oldest 

message: Massachusetts is misspelled as "Massachusettes" in the final sentence of the Massachusetts section of the article ACollier13 (talk) 04:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2020 

message: i would like to change the allies rivals and cration date of the gang The place where memes die (talk) 06:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. Edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not for requesting access to the article itself. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:32, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd further add that any request for a change must be accompanied by a citation to the reliable secondary sources you paraphrased your proposed content from. We are not interested in anything you just "know". John from Idegon (talk) 07:44, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2020 

message: In Elkhart Indiana: Kimberly Dyer is tortured to death by members of the Latin Kings. According to testimony, torture methods included waterboarding, cutting, strangulation, and mutilation. Her body was found in a plastic bin in a marsh outside Constantine, MI. 162.142.0.5 (talk) 10:21, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2021 

message: The Latin Kings are known as one of the most violent gangs in the world, and there is limited presence of the authorities in the areas they typically operate in. The Latin Kings are known to engage in various criminal activities to include assault, burglary, homicide, identity theft, and money laundering. Justice.Gov. n.d. “File 432486.” Accessed March 27, 2022. https://www.justice.gov/entity-popup/file/432486. In most places, they are able to openly sell drugs or at the very least have a good running system with little interference. For the Latin Kings, drug trafficking to include heroin, cocaine, marijuana, and opioids, is the primary source of income. Organization Attributes Sheet: The Latin Kings (AKA the Almighty Latin King and Queen Nation;  Motherland; and Bloodline) The urban communities in which the Latin Kings are present are plagued by gang activity and not enough repercussions to deal with it. Some residents in those communities are “reluctant  to help investigators based on more than just fear of gang retaliation as it is also a consequence of their deep distrust of the local police and prosecutors and politicians” New York Times. 2007. “So Many Crimes, and Reasons to Not Cooperate.” Newspaper. The New York Times. December 30, 2007. . Members of the community are also afraid that they will be targeted by the Latin Kings or even killed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.160.90.41 (talk) 13:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Investigations and prosecutions

message: A lot of 2nd hand information and hear say.
Did you know the Founder is still alive?
His name is Phil Juarbe.
Papo King was a self promoting Clown.
Ramon Santos would have been 70 this year. If he had started the Kings in 1954
He would have been 2 years old.
Papo King  became a King around 1971.
The official date of it's founding was May 15 1964..
2 groups came together....
1 from Leavitt and Schiller the other from Kedzie and Ohio.
For your information : Ramon Santos was killed by his own People in 1988.
Found shot in his chest placed in the bushes of Humboldt Park.
Discovered by a young girl playing in the Park. 
So the so-called Founder met his demise at the hands of his own People.
He had a Pauper Funeral.
Maybe it would have been helpful to talk to some of the Original King's.  Then you would have gotten it right.
King Phil our Founder is still alive.
Will turn 76 this month.
The Average age of ALL the Original
Latin Kings is 75.
So if your not 75 or older you weren't a Original King.
2 where older then 17 the rest were 16.
Please get the Facts right. 2600:1700:1E80:3280:91AB:574A:1C13:3941 (talk) 19:04, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was the Real Founder of the Latin Kings? 

message: this is alphalfa.i want the tiny rascals gang removed from the Latin kings enemy list.thats inacurate information.thank you 2603:8080:F400:5A78:D12A:3F3:BE3B:960B (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. M.Bitton (talk) 22:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please take the tiny rascals gang off the Latin kings enemy list.this is inaccurate information 

message: Ethnicity-Puerto Rican and Mexican Latinos 47.34.93.67 (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2023 

message: Add Nortenos, and nuestra familia as allies Miguelsg831 (talk) 05:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 06:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a link that provides the information Nortenos have been spreading into other states throughout the US especially in the midwest. There is a set of Nortenos that set up shop in Elkhart Indiana. This set has recently clicked up and allied themselves with the latin kings over there to go against Surenos. It is also a known fact that Nortenos and Latin Kings have a strong alliance in the Federal Prison System.https://www.reddit.com/r/CaliBanging/s/3Ycc3oZCvc Miguelsg831 (talk) 17:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Cannolis Also Nortenos are the soldiers of the Nuestra Familia they are basically the same thing but they command the nortenos as foot soldiers. The Nortenos(Nuestra Familia) are allies of the People Nation since Nortenos run under the 5 point star which is the symbol of the People Nation. This makes them allies to the Bloods, Latin Kings, Black P Stones, and Vice Lords Miguelsg831 (talk) 17:45, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:USERGEN, a comment on reddit is not a WP:reliable source. Cannolis (talk) 19:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I Know the Nortenos from Elkhart personally since the branch comes from Watsonville, CA where i’m from they told me they joined forces with the latin kings over there. you can look it up yourself Nortenos and Latin Kings have been allies for years because they had to get together in the federal prison system. All i’m trying to do is add Nortenos as allies it’s really not a big deal  Miguelsg831 (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 2 February 2024 

message: Put United Blood Gang in Allies instead of Rivals otherwise the two different pages say different things 2600:6C5E:467F:4B7:25C7:3AE:8DEE:96E9 (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024