Talk:List of prime ministers of Turkey

message: republican people's party did not have the word "republican" in it before the republic!
It wasend even called peopelse party
Under the heading "Prime Ministers during the Turkish War of Independence (1920–1923", the origin should not be written Republican People's Party. At those times, there were no such party. It should be deleted or replaced with a better phrase.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inspectortr (talk • contribs) 17:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
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message: Well, actually we have one more Prime, who served for only one single day in 1942. See this: http://www.haberdefteri.com/haberbak.php?id=6884 (it is in Turkish)
Shall we include him also in the list? Okan 22:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ahmet Fikri Tüzer 

message: From the article:
::It's better to note that Atatürk, Çakmak, Orbay and Okyar are the Speakers of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey, -not Prime Ministers - during the years of War of Independence.
Why??翔太 「Shouta:talk」 08:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, this does not belong in the article.  Furthermore, it does not agree with the link provided.  If something is incorrect here, it should be discussed.  Karma Heretic (talk) 16:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is better... 

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message: The current numbering makes little sense. It is the accepted practice to count consecutive terms as one, but non-consecutive terms separately. And rightly so, as it is misleading to say İnönü is only the first prime minister for his 1923-1924 term, whereas he also served as the 12th prime minister in 1961-1965, which is completely different, coming almost forty years after. See List of Presidents of the United States for example, where Grover Cleveland is both 22nd and 24th presidents. Or look at List of Prime Ministers of Greece for a country that has a similar history of prime minister coming and going, each being counted separately. Officially the prime ministers are not numbered in Turkey, but only the governments; so it is more reasonable to follow this typical practice. Currently, after the 2nd prime minister comes the (1)st prime minister, causing an awkward appearance. I am correcting the numbering scheme in line with the one typically used in the world.--Cfsenel (talk) 20:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason, the English wikipedia does not count a Prime Minister more than once even if he/she has held the office on multiple occasions. As far I'm aware, this issue has been discussed on the List of Prime Ministers of Italy page (and also the Silvio Berlusconi page) where I believe the consensus was to count each Prime Minister once. In my personal opinion I think that both systems of numbering make sense, but we need to comply with the numbering systems for the leaders of other countries on Wikipedia for consistency. Also, a few Turkish newspapers consider Davutoglu to be the 26th Prime Minister (see references). This might be something to bear in mind.http://www.haberturk.com/gundem/haber/982427-26-basbakan-ahmet-davutogluhttp://www.zaman.com.tr/politika_26-basbakan-davutoglu_2239104.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76BdYdKK0pkhttp://www.milligazete.com.tr/haber/91_Yilda_62_Hukumet_ve_26_Basbakan_-_FOTO_GALERI/342521#.VLRVY4fA7Vohttp://www.vidivodo.com/video/26-basbakan-kim-olacak-neler-oluyor-tek-parca/1228150 I understand that it takes a lot of time and effort to change the numbering of 27 different pages, so I apologise for reverting those edits without consulting you beforehand. Also, thanks very much for appreciating the other edits I have made. I obviously value your own contributions equally and hope we can both develop the Turkish political pages of Wikipedia in the lead-up to the 2015 general election.  T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 22:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I did not realise that Wikipedia was divided on this issue and mistakenly assumed that the dispute in the case of Italy was the case for all countries. I think it's really about what numbering system is best for Turkey, which is unique since there have been Prime Ministers serving for up to five times non-consecutively. In the cases of Ecevit and Demirel for example, I would actually argue that neither numbering system is very beneficial. If we use the original numbering system, you correctly point out that the phrase '...served as the 16th Prime Minister of Turkey five times...' doesn't make much sense. On the other hand, assigning up to five different numbers in the infoboxes is also rather confusing. I would therefore propose not actually using any numbers on the infoboxes of the Prime Ministers' articles and only use numbers in the List of Prime Ministers of Turkey article. This is also because Atatürk, Çakmak, Orbay and Okyar are also listed as Prime Ministers but without numbers because they were heads of the Ankara Government. This may also be confusing since there is a break in the sequence for all prime ministers before İnönü. T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, five numbers in the infoboxes can be confusing; and together with the fact that they are unofficial and uncertain, it is best to leave them out of the Prime Ministers' articles.--Cfsenel (talk) 23:11, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In this case, I'll copy and paste this discussion into the talk section of the List of Prime Ministers of Turkey article so that we can refer to it in the edit summary while removing the numbers from the infoboxes. This will mean that people won't think that we are deleting information in an unexplained manner and also will allow editors who disagree to look over what we've said and contribute their own views if they aren't convinced. I would also quickly add in further support of not having numbers that in the UK's case, Prime Ministers aren't numbered because their jurisdiction has never been consistent. For example, Pitt the Younger was the Prime Minister of Great Britain, but the prime ministers that succeeded him were Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom. In Turkey we have a similar case - we have had Prime Ministers of the Turkish Republic and Prime Ministers of the Ankara government, so numbering is again an issue of perspective rather than a set fact.
So in summary, the reasons for removing the numbers from the Prime Ministers' articles are:
*It doesn't make sense that a Prime Minister is referred to as the 'Xth Prime Minister of Turkey' if they have served more than twice.
*Having too many (up to five) numbers within the infobox of the Prime Minister makes overcomplicates the information
*Prime Ministers have served as heads of different things, some for the Ankara government and some for the government of the Turkish Republic, making a numbering system confusing
*Prime Ministers are generally not referred to or thought of as the 'Xth Prime Minister' in Turkey
 T.C. Ataturkiye (talk) 00:48, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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