Talk:Velama

message: Lists of Padmanayaka Velama: Click Here
: Excellent! It is good to see that all the effort that editors put in to accumulate the lists has not been a waste. I think a webpage is the right forum for such lists. Abecedare 00:27, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  By the way, since the website reproduces material from wikipedia (which is perfectly fine!), it will need to display the GNU Free Documentation License in order to meet the legal requirements. You can read the details at WP:GFDL, especially the "Verbatim Copying" section. Regards. Abecedare 00:40, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to Lists and Other Information of Padmanayaka Velamas

message: Do not delete contents. It is vandalism. If you do not agree with any contents, please discuss. The 'Legendary rivalry' section is restored.
==It is irrational to claim Kshatriya status  for velama . It is a well known fact that Velama are Sudras (Shatsudras of Sreenatha) and are categorized. The community itself is not homogenous but an assortment of people with the title 'Velama'. 
This statement utterly wrong. The so called fact that "velama are Sudras" is not at all a fact. On what basis you argue this? Velama's actually belong to warrior clan and rythu clan nothing but Kshatriyas. It is the former in the villages who provides lively hood for all other sections of people.
Brahmins, get dakshina's and other things for performing pujas at home in the fields. They do not do forming. 
Life in the villages depend on formers(evaluate the history), or elsego to the villages and see. (Still that tradition is carrying forward.)
Vysya's do trading. Trading what? The produce form the formers.
Others work in fields. Work for who? For formers.
At the every harvest of the crop, it is customary that formers give pittances to other clans.
If one reasearch in the villages and history, one would now the facts.
And also, it is customary that head formers lead the forces for village protection.
Formers know only war arts, like karra saamu, katti saamu, barise fighting,   etc.,.
Ofcourse these arts are at their demise.
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If velama's are not kshatriya's and warriors then delete the lines of all kings and battles of Palnadu and edit  the famous legendary Thandra paparayudu as servent.....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psharath9 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rivalry

message: Though this is admirable collection of information, the article is heavily biased towards the Velama caste. A sentence from the article goes "They are royal, generous and broad minded". This is more like propaganda and does not live up to the standards of Wikipedia. Whatever information is given whould be quoted from reliable sources. Broad, sweeping statements diminish the credibility of the article. I recommend a total rewrite to conform with Wikipedia's neutral POV policy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view). And i agree with the view that there are too many 'famous' people on the page.
Removed Suggestions/ Comments subsection from the main article. Wikipedia is not a blog! All suggestions/ comments should be added in the Talk Page and not in the main article.
--TwoOars 19:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavily biased 

message: * Great effort.  We should start a web site with all this information
* If anyone has data about per capita income, literacy rate and other stats about community should be added.  It would be of great value.
* Challenges ahead for the community... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.237.196.61 (talk) 15:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions/Comments 

message: The enthusisanm to add all kinds of names, village names, gothras etc is not evident in providing an unbiased historical account of velama social group. Link articles can be created for such long lists. It is generally felt that velamas played a negative role down the history. There is a tendency to ignore the personalities like Recherla Gannama Nayak (Malik Maqbool), Rachakonda Nayaks who killed Musunuri mayak and Velama kings who fought Reddys of Kondavidu. There is no harm in accepting historical truths. Someone must do a drastic editing of the article and make it brief and crisp.Kumarrao 08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion

message: I strongly recommend the removal of the notable people lists (except those of the historical personalities). But since it is such a large collection of names and might be useful to the community maybe it is better to duplicate them to another website before completely removing them here. I tried to reduce the size of the article by moving the names to another page but i bungled. And the new page  Contemporary Personalities of Velama Caste got a prodwarning almost immediately... which only shows that this information does not belong in Wikipedia in the first place. 
--I am sorry you are mistaken. It means a list by itself as a separate article may not be useful but a list as a part of an article is considered useful, allowed, and is OK. 
:Yes, i realize that creating a new page for the lists alone was a bad idea. So any suggestions on how to bring the main article to a manageable size are welcome. Thanks. -twooars--61.2.221.4 07:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My comments were about the lists of political leaders, present and past, and all the other lists of individuals in various professions. It was of interest to me personally but IMO, a list of all 'notable' personalities belonging to a particular community is hardly appropriate in an encyclopedia. If we go on adding names to the lists arbitrarily the article will become so bloated as to be useless. And the lists are never going to be complete. As I mentioned earlier, this is a great collection of information and something i wanted to see for quite some time. I fully appreciate the efforts of the contributors. It would be great if the material is incorporated into a separate website. But here on Wikipedia? I don't think so. But let us wait and see what others say. Thats why we have a talk page, so we can arrive at a consensus. I do not mean to do anything major (like deleting sections) without people agreeing on it. And no offense taken at all. And i hope more people take an interest in improving the article. - twooars --61.2.221.4 07:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommend removal lists of famous people 

message: Hi, apart from endorsing the problems stated above (some parts of which seem to have been deleted), I am removing this particular section. A Wikipedia article does not need such "search engine optimization". If the terms collected appear elsewhere in the article, a spider is likely to catch them anyway. If alternately, a term there has nothing to do with the subject, it has no place in the article. Thanks. Sdsouza 20:55, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The key words for Search Engines section 

message: I would also like to bring up the application of Wikipedia policy to the article. While I personally do not know enough to judge the veracity of the information in it, I believe that most of the content is in fact true, and attributable. For the content to remain though, it should pass the Wikipedia Attribution policy. Specifically, the project does not publish original research, and articles must be based on credible, published sources. It would be a pity if the info here is removed on the basis of this policy. Could the editors adding content consider this policy, and start adding citations that support the content? Thanks. Sdsouza 21:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: my impression is that a number of Velamas are adding the names of themselves, friends, their schools, etc. There are a large number of anonymous contributors, and it's unlikely they're here to learn Wikipedia policy. But of course it would be a simple matter to write a good article if they could just point out some good, unbiased references. Potatoswatter 22:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thought I'd wait for responses to earlier comments here about the listing of an enormous number of, possibly non-notable, names before bringing policy to bear on the issue. As for the rest of the content on $subject, i began with AGF :). Sdsouza 22:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what $subject or AGF are, but I just requested semi protection. I've asked a number of the "contributors" to register in the last couple days, so we'll see what happens. Potatoswatter 23:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  apologies, didn't mean to be obscure. Good to see you pursuing this. Sdsouza 23:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As you can see from the previous posts I was against such a big list of 'notable' persons in the article. Also I thought the article does not follow WP:NPOV. But I do not have access to good sources on the subject; Editing the whole article is too big a task. :) So I am just 'watching' the article for now.TwoOars (T | C) 05:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think it's too WP:BOLD to just slash the whole deal down to size. The correct way to form an encyclopedia article is to start with WP:REFerences and rewrite in WP:SUMMARY style. The incorrect way is to hand around a sign-in sheet and ask for everyone's name. If nothing happens after a couple days, I'm going to erase most everything after the historical leaders. Maybe import some paragraphs from articles referencing this one (which are precious few). Meh. Just to plant a seed for a wikipedia:good article to crystallize around. Potatoswatter 09:17, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Like, wikipedia:good faith is well and good, but these guys really aren't interested in being part of our community or they'd join and continue participation. Their aims are pretty obviously not in line with policy and it doesn't do justice to classify into "good faith" and "bad faith". Potatoswatter 09:20, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attribution to reliable sources 

message: Can someone provide a citation to Palnadu battle?Kumarrao 14:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Palnadu battle

message: Can someone provide citations in the article. Kumarrao (talk) 07:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: I am editing and rearranging the article. Help and cooperation from users is solicited.Kumarrao (talk) 07:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A separate section on Kopula Velama with historical aspects cab be created. No proof for linkage between Velama and Vellalar.Kumarrao (talk) 15:42, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand the listing of "district" leaders. Why are they of any importance to anyone in the English speaking world. Nobody bothers listing all the prominent people with surname Chen in China (from town mayor to CEOs) because it isn't relevant to anyone except possibly to the Chen family. Can't they be summarized by 1 number:  The number of Velamas who are district leaders?  Also quite unnecessary is the list of people Velama family has patronized.  You don't see a list of all artists that the Rockefeller Foundation has ever patronized. Angry bee (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cleaned up. Users are invited to add interesting information.Kumarrao (talk) 13:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing

message: I am beginning to clean up this article. Judging by the comments above, this is not for the first time. Consequently, I will wade through the article history to find any decent, neutral items that may have been removed by POV pushers etc. With regard to the list of "notables", please will contributors note that anyone in that list must in fact be notable and that the easiest way to ascertain this is to ensure that an article exists for the person. Furthermore, their status as a Velama must be verifiable, which will require a citation. Finally, if the person is still alive then they must self-identify as being a member of the Velama community, as per WP:BLP (or, more specifically, WP:BLPCAT). Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The views of User:Sitush are valid although uncomfortable. It is extremely difficult to provide citation for caste affiliation. Common parlance is the only plank to fall back upon but not acceptable. The social groups such as Kamma, Velama and Raju consolidated themselves by medieval times (11th century) although there was considerable horizontal movement among themselves. Kamma and Velama were of the same origin but bifurcated due to unknown reasons. Badabanala Bhatta prescribed surnames and Gothras for them. Hence, it can be safely said that these two groups crystallized by 12th century. One cumbersome way to provide citations is to mention surname and gothra which are group specific and which are published in a book. I do not know if Wiki accepts this formula.Kumarrao (talk) 16:58, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of notables, POV etc 

message: When I was reading a book about Palnati yuddam, Brahma Nayudu was decribed as a Velama.
This happened during 12th century, implying that Velama as a caste existed then. Why there is no reference
to this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.74.131.120 (talk) 00:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Firstly, we would need to know what book that was in order to comply with our policy regarding verifiability. Secondly, unless the book actually says that the Velama existed at that time it might be considered original research. But give us the book details and someone will take a look, I'm sure. - Sitush (talk) 19:18, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brahma Nayudu 

message: Substituted at 01:18, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.
Telaga Caste
Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Fuedal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra. They have the caste title Naidu, Dora. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category.
Contents Sub Castes
Origins
Legend
Telaga Names
Sub Castes The other SubCastes or Geographical Names of Telagas are
Kapu
Balija / Balija Naidu
Munnuru Kapu
Turpu Kapu
Ontari
Naidu
Origins The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialised in warfare.
The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.
The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors),commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin.These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also might have been derived Telaga.
They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas,Pallavas,Chalukyas,Kakatiyas etc.They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas.
The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasity. Etukuri Balaramamurthy and Colin McKenzie in fact mentione that these Telagas or Kapu communnity are the Descendants of these were these Telugu Cholas.
Telugu Cholas The Telugu Cholas rules for over Four Centuries the various regions of Andhra.
Important ruling Clans were
Velanati Choluluof Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju.
Renati Cholas
Konidena Cholas
Nannuru Cholas
Nellore Chola Kings
After the fall of the Easten Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas had to serve under the Kakateeyas as Vassals and accept their Suzzienarity.Under the new rulers they were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra.
After the fall of the Kakateeyas the Telagas under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Reddy,Velama and Balija Nayaks and liberated the Andhra Country from Tyrranny nd Destruction.
Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers.Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last Dynasity of Viajayanagar was a Tealaga. This family was a Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due cource of time.
With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were Dispatched off to Protect the farflung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga General was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasit. -- Source Penugonda Charitra..
After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their Native Country the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture.And some of them went further South and settled down in the Tanjavur region and joined the Tanjavur Nayaks Army.
Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telrugu Saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga".Even now we can find swords,armours and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry.All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami has their family deity.
Another Legendary Instance of Telaga Bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram kingdom led by Vijayaram raju. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli Ranga Rayudu the Bobbili King before riding out to war in no mood to submit the honour and the Dignity of the Royal House Ordered all of his commanders to Execute their Families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama Commanders and Soldiers Executed their families before proceeding out to war. Viajayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga Commander Miriyala Venkata Rao along with Papa Rayudu. -- Bobbili Charitra
Legend Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are fuedal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra.
Telaga Names The Telagas are also called Naidu and they also have prefixes like Setty and Reddy in their names denoting their Profession
Popular Surnames
Some of the surnames are derived from the Weapons used by this warrior community Sunkara, Tupakula, Kathula
And Other Surnames are Village names and Names which came out of their Professions having suffixes like Setty and Reddy KATIKIREDDY, Putta, puppala, gundubilli, Nagam, Reddipalli, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, Chinimilli, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, Doddi, Vuragayala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Konidela, Nalanagula, Allu, Kota, Kaikala, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Vangaveeti, Addagarla, Sunkara, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Chodisetty, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota,Tuta, Mallepudi, Koppana,Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Surabattula, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Yalavarthi, Tanneru, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, vungarala, pinaka, Pinisetty, kethinidi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, ghanta, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, Singamsetty, Sanam, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, sirigineedi, kunapareddi, nagireddi, mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala and arava  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:D493:2FA0:802D:893B (talk) 04:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Required status column for Telaga caste. Mark as Forward caste 

message: Someone kindly take a minute to add useful and interesting content to Telaga caste, Kapu caste, balija caste pages
Use the link - http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php
Also, Telaga caste is Forward caste. Mention it in the right column  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.107 (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  status column for telaga caste; they are kshatriyas