Talk:Geoffrey Howe

message: wasn't prescott dpm only recently? --Xorkl000 11:42, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Try reading Deputy Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. You'll see that it was left vacant for nearly five years after Howe's resignation, so "vacant" is an appropriate successor, even if the post was later filled by Heseltine and then Prescott. --rbrwr± 12:24, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No successor for DPM? 

message: Just reading this for a bit of background info. 
Thought somebody might want to change this:
" Some commentators regard Howe as the most successful Chancellor of his era.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.35.217.148 (talk) 19:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weasel... 

message: House of Lords Reform Act 2014 says he resigned in May 2015.  -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:03, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Resigned from the Lords

message: Aberfan disaster mentions “the argument of Geoffrey Howe on behalf of the colliery managers”. Should his role in this be mentioned in this article? JDAWiseman (talk) 21:14, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Geoffrey Howe participated in the Aberfan tribunal as counsel for British Association of Colliery Management & National Association of Colliery Managers. We should mention his participation, but I haven't come up with the right words. We don't know whether and how it affected his politics, but it must have been harrowing, particularly if he had young children. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Lawyers have clients, some laudable, some terrible, many in between. Cab-rank rule prevents lawyers being too fussy. So there’s no stain on Howe’s character by his having been so employed. Was his presence there notable, or did it have an effect on him or anybody else, to be worthy of comment? This is a question — I don’t know. JDAWiseman (talk) 15:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aberfan 

message: In the Coat of arms of Geoffrey Howe section we have:
* Crest Upon a Howe turfed proper a Wolf courant Sable mantled with a Fleece of a Sheep sans head holding in its mouth a Remnant of Cloth Gules
The illustration does not show a wolf or a fleece. The description is a clear reference to the "like being savaged by a dead sheep" quote. Is this a hoax or an example of Howe's sense of humour? The text is in the cited source, but 'Cracroft's Peerage' appears to be self-published. Is it a reliable source? (Alerting  who added this material.) Verbcatcher (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clarification. Can you comment on the reliability of Cracroft's Peerage? We can use self-published expert sources, see WP:SELFPUBLISH. Verbcatcher (talk) 02:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crest 

message: Hello. I changed the lead image and it was reverted. I understand this (and apologise if it was reckless) but I do think it was an improvement. This is just my opinion, and as always, if more people prefer the former I will concede.
* Resolution
The 2011 picture is of a much higher resolution than the 2003 photograph, showing Lord Howe in sharper detail and gives a better impression of what he looked like. The 2003 photo is grainy and saturated.
* It's more recent
The 2011 photograph shows Howe at a later date. I know that the most recent photograph of somebody is not what is universally preferred, but it would make the most sense here, given that Howe has died.
* It fits MOS:PORTRAIT
MoS states "It is often preferable to place a portrait...so that they "look" toward the text..." and both images do this. However (and I have put this before, so sorry for the repetition) it also says, "Use the best quality images available. Poor-quality images—dark or blurry; showing the subject too small...should not be used unless absolutely necessary." and I feel that the 2011 portrait illustrates this better. 
Geoffrey_Howe_2003.jpg|Option A
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Geoffrey Howe (cropped).jpg|Option B
Thank you for reading. Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:17, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a photograph showing Howe during his Cabinet days would be ideal. But, as you said, since no such thing exists on Commons I still stand by my original post; Option B is better in almost every way, except the fact that it was not taken during his political career. Because of this, we have to pick one of the two from his retirement, and Option B is, in my opinion, a better fit for this. If you flip through both photographs you see he looks remarkably similar in both: the hair is virtually identical, the ears haven't changed a bit, he's still as bespectacled as ever and even the liver spots on his forehead are in the exact same position; it's just that he's older in one, has a slightly more professional facial expression and is a better quality and nicer looking photograph. In 2003 he looks like he doesn't know he's being photographed: in 2011 he definitely does.  Tim O'Doherty (talk) 20:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image