Talk:Invader Zim/Archive 1

message: According to the guide on my TV, MTV2 will be airing the first episode.  Anyone know the deal? --The Crowing 21:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MTV

message: As far as I know, the Invader Zim DVD is already out, so I think there's no reason to say that it is still "in production" in the article. Also, the link to the Zim DVD FAQ on the External Links section should have a warning, since it's now outdated. It talks about a version that did not come out, with different episodes. It looks like the series is going to come out in several volumes, and not in a single product, like it's said on that FAQ. It's still a good piece of info, though, and the link should be kept in the article.
I think those parts should be edited again. Anyone here shares this opinion? – Mackeriv 13:55, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invader Zim DVD 

message: The article states that there are a number of sci-fi based in-jokes, and lists a number of sources, although it gives no examples. Could Starship Troopers be added to that list? It metions a Sergeant Zim as being 'one of the best darn soldiers out there'. I ask from the point of view of being fairly familliar with Starship Troopers (book), and completely ignorant of Invader Zim.Lord Dust 07:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean the book or the film?  The book was out well before Zim was made.  Slac speak up! 05:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I do indeed believe that Starship Troopers came out first, as did Dawn of the Dead. I am interested in knowing if the naming of the character Zim is one of the aforementioned "occasional references to classic works of horror or science fiction". The irony of naming such a self-involved and not-particularly-successful character as Invader Zim after the image of selfless soldierly perfection is of interest to me, and thus I wondered if it might be of interest to anyone else. By extension, any of the "inside references" could be sourced, as readers might not be familiar enough with the show to spot references to things with which they are familliar. Or I suppose you could just leave it as is, and nobody will ever know but you. Lord Dust 07:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  'In jokes' 

message: OK, I am a newcomer to this show, but the entire "GIR" section seems to have GIR confused with Zim. For instance: "GIR: A psychotic, stupid robot slave belonging to GIR", "Zim gets along well with others and his best friend is a pig who is seen on occasion visiting Zim at GIR's house", and "It is important to note that Zim is a 'custom' SIM only in that he was haphazardly put together out of trash by the Tallest." (What's a SIM?) I would rewrite this, but I've only seen a few episodes and don't want to mess anything up. A lot of this is definitely wrong, though. -- Wapcaplet 04:15, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  GIR/Zim confusion 

message: I notice there are now individual Zim character articles. . . do we really need them? Can't they be merged? Slac speak up! 03:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added them when I found them reading the megalomaniac page, but in fact you're right. They might be merged with this page. Nova77 13:35, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Breakout

message: (I was distracted and failed to save this window several days ago:)
The original Zim article was improperly converted from a stub to a redir, when it should have been moved, or if that was too late, merged.  I am doing the merge now.
These history entries are from Zim:
: 14:54, 15 Oct 2004 62.252.64.13 (change to redir)
: 13:39, 15 Oct 2004 165.21.154.12
: 13:12, 15 Oct 2004 80.202.208.248
The remainder, as of 06:04, 23 May 2005, were part of the history of Invader Zim before my history merge of Zim and Invader Zim.
--Jerzy·t 02:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remedial Merge 

message: What does this line mean?
"She [Gaz]is also a known confidant to none other than Timmy Turner of the Fairly Oddparents."
Where does this come from? Was this in a particular episode? I can find no evidence anywhere that the two characters ever met.  Can someone clarify the connection?
Looks like BS to me. *deletes* --Geg 21:50, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does this mean? 

message: Will someone provide audio clips of the show in Japanese, and provide character names in Japanese as well? I'm a die-hard, knowledgeable fan. -- User: Angie Y. 5 July 2005 (UTC)
:Character names are still the same, just Japan-ified. Zim translates to "Jimu", Gir tranlsates to "Gaa" and Dib translates to "Dibu". From what I know, there aren't any audio clips or anything like that yet. --Geg 15:20, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think audio clips from the show would be innapropriate here, since they aren't really neccisary to understand the show, nor would they add to the understanding of the japanese version (that being the criteria for including clips). --InShaneee 16:07, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with InShanee. —Theo  (Talk) 17:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Audio clips and character names?

message: The portion stating that the idea of inept alien invader is original is incorrect.  Marvin the Martian from the Warner Bros. characters was in fact just that. --H
:I agree. You can just fix it. —Theo  (Talk) 17:53, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Marvin

message: Japanese IZ site, with official-looking pictures
*Oh yeah, I've seen that site. Believe it or not, most of that is fanart. Geg 21:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese IZ site

message: Invader Zim is from the 1970s?! Forgive me if I say that this is pure and utter rubbish! For heavens sake, Vasquez wasn't born until 1974!
That's very weird. --User:Angie Y.
*It's just some idiot going around and chaning the date of everything he can find to 1970. He did the same thing to the Fairly OddParents page. Geg 19:42, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Frankly weird dates

message: "The show features the exploits of Zim trying to conquer the Earth while his arch-nemesis Dib tries to stop him. The concept of alien invasion or conquest of Earth resisted by a lone guardian is the basis of a science fiction sub-genre but the idea of repeated inept failure by the alien conqueror seems to be original."  In my opinion, part of this paragraph should be editted because an inept alien invasion is not an original idea to science fiction, or Nickelodeon for that matter (i.e. Butt Ugly Martians, Kaput and Zosky).  --67.184.163.248 23:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  original idea? 

message: Okay, the whole bloody GIR thing has got me curious. I watched "Bad, Bad Rubber Piggy" with a frame by frame player, and when the moment came when Zim threw it into the portal, I studied each frame and could not find any pictures of GIR covered in blood. I was wondering if someone could post a photo of Bloody GIR, so I can see what the pic looks like.
*This makes me a bit suspicious. A picture of bloody GIR can be found here, which looks official enough, but in all my Zim days, I've never seen the image from Bad Bad Rubber Piggy everyone points to. --InShaneee 08:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't really see the image of Bloody GIR in BBRP either, but there is an excellent example in Mortos Der Soulstealer. Just go frame by frame in the opening sequence when the tentacles fly out of Zim's house and approch the screen. MJ 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bloody GIR 

message: Can someone make a Japanese Wikipedia article on IZ, please? --User:Angie Y.
*No. Wiki doesn't need a separate page for a show it already has a page on just because it's in a different language. Geg 01:07, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese IZ Wikipedia article

message: "This is probably the last First Generation Nicktoon."
Probably?  Is it or isn't it?  Can someone elaborate on this?
--Letslip 09:00, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last first generation nicktoon 

message: I reverted an edit that changed the runtime from 22 to 12 minutes, since this appeared to be subtle vandalism, and I didn't want it to slip through the cracks.  If this was incorrect, please correct my error and provide a source.  RobthTalk 19:11, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Runtime

message: Can anyone find some sources for the 'criticism' section? --InShaneee 03:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

message: I noticed the tag over the trivia section, and I wanted to help out. I know that most of those facts come from the commentary in the Invader Zim DVD's because I've listened to them. How should I cite them? I'm not really sure. MJ 00:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Citations 

message: IMDB.com has posted, under the list of Invader Zim episodes, a third season.  This season only has one episode, "Date of Doom."
 Season 3, Episode 4: Date of Doom!
 29 September 2006
 Dib casts a spell on Zim so he falls in love with Gaz, and Gaz falls in love with Zim due to the spell.
Does anyone have any more information on this?  Is it true, or merely a rumor? (link) -Puphles 21:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the show was going to go back into production, it would have been announced. The show's cancelled. Geg 18:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New IZ seasons? 

message: Requesting a merge of all :Category:Invader Zim vehicles into one article. They're not notable enough for individual entries, plus they'll be easier to keep an eye on. Otherwise they're likely to get delete-voted as fancruft (which would probably result in a merge anyway). Thanks :) -Quiddity 17:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a plan to me! List of Invader Zim vehicles, I take it? --InShaneee 20:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. (i'm only a minor fan, i'll leave it to someone passionate to merge, and so give it the attention they'll think it warrants ;) -Quiddity 01:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just do us a favor and at least drop some merge tags as a reminder! --InShaneee 03:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: List of vehicles in Invader Zim. There ya go. Now it just needs rewriting/cleanup ;) -Quiddity 04:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bravo! :) --InShaneee 19:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge zim-vehicle articles 

message: "The main reason for this is its overall dark, dreary, unpleasant atmosphere. Indeed, the show seems to delight in emphasising everything disapproved of or ungenteel in its depictions of today's world, showing children bursting into manic fits with enlarged neck arteries and bulging, veiny eyes, depicting buildings and cities as dirty and unkempt, and portraying children as neglected and mentally unstimulated and adults as tools of a corrupt society. As a whole, the human race is often portrayed as being mind-numbingly idiotic or just plain ignorant. Sometimes the show even goes one step further and includes mildly disturbing content"
Couldn't we condense that to "some people don't like the work of Jhonen Vasquez"? I mean, that's pretty much the same statement. Pope Guilty 03:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't condense it quite that far. Perhaps replacing Jhonen with a (far briefer) description of the tone of his work? (And honestly, that whole section's on the way out before too long if it doesn't get referenced). --InShaneee 03:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Necessary?

message: After clearing up the language for the Prof Membrane listing, It kinda struck me that its inclusion here was a a bit redundant. I Don't beleive it is necessary as it goes into more detail on the "List of characters from Invader Zim" page. I will thus attempt to merge whatever details that are mentioned on this page, into the other. --DennyCrane Talk 07:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prof Membrane 

message: I'm considering going through each episode and putting an episode navigation box. there's a few templates..
===Template One===
There's this basic prev-next template

===Template Two===
Also there's the kind of navigator that's used at the bottom of the spongebob pages. (click here to see what I mean, it's big and blue)
I think this type will be overkill for Invader Zim as there's not as many episodes.
===Template Three===
Also on the Spongebob page there's a template used for all episodes that has details like Episode No., Writers, Director, Airdate, other staff, etc.. I'm not sure if it's really worth putting that because as far as I know, the writing staff and director never changed much per episode, so the only thing that would significantly change each episode is the air date which can be incorporated into the article.
===Episode Order===
I think that the order should be by production number. I've just organised the episodes list into tables and it's in production order, I think it makes sense as it will match up with the episode order on the DVDs.
===Any Thoughts?===
So basically, I'll start soon using the first template I mentioned in the DVD/Production order of episodes unless anyone has a good reason to do it any other way. BillPP 03:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, maybe (it's not as many so it wouldn't be as large), no, by production number and the list looks good (I like the purple). CovenantD 04:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a template which will display all episodes in the navigator and it doesn't take up as much space as the Spongebob one and is not bad looking. I'm happy with using that. To use the template put:  on the page. I've put it on the episode Dark Harvest and it looks pretty good. BillPP 17:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we get that in purple too? The neon hurts my eyes. :-) CovenantD 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to purple. I've had to change the text from black to white so it shows up better. I'm pleased with apart from the fact the heading Invader Zim Episodes doesn't show up that well, but I think that's bearable. BillPP 18:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now put the navigator into every episode and it looks good. BillPP 21:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Episodes

message: So basically, I'll start soon using the first template I mentioned in the DVD/Production order of episodes unless anyone has a good reason to do it any other way. BillPP 03:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, maybe (it's not as many so it wouldn't be as large), no, by production number and the list looks good (I like the purple). CovenantD 04:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a template which will display all episodes in the navigator and it doesn't take up as much space as the Spongebob one and is not bad looking. I'm happy with using that. To use the template put:  on the page. I've put it on the episode Dark Harvest and it looks pretty good. BillPP 17:47, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can we get that in purple too? The neon hurts my eyes. :-) CovenantD 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to purple. I've had to change the text from black to white so it shows up better. I'm pleased with apart from the fact the heading Invader Zim Episodes doesn't show up that well, but I think that's bearable. BillPP 18:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now put the navigator into every episode and it looks good. BillPP 21:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Any Thoughts?

message: I think to make the good ol' Invader Zim part of Wikipedia better, then there should be a rough standard format for each article on the episodes. At the moment there are some episodes with minimal plot information and others with masses of information. Here's my proposal (it's just my opinion of what could be a good standard to aim for):
*An Introduction with information like date first aired, guest stars (if any), episode length and anything noteable about the episode (eg. "This is the first episode of season 2".
*Plot outline - This is where there's the most variation. I think a write-up the length is good around the length of Bad, Bad Rubber Piggy and Door to Door.
*Trivia/Miscellanea/themes etc. - I think "Miscellanea" is a more appropriate heading for bits and pieces relevant to the episode. Perhaps the uniform heading of "Miscellanea, Themes and References"?
*See Also - No need for a link to List of Invader Zim episodes as there's the navigator and the category.
*Quotes - We all know how good the writing in Invader Zim is so Quotes should be a good way of demonstrating what the program is like. so a few quotes per episode?
*Pictures - 2 or 3 screencaps from the DVDs will be great. (I'll probably produce a list soon of images with watermarks from nick that need to be replaced with DVD caps).
So anyway, that's my idea for the episode format. I'll sort out one episode to see how it looks at some point. Does anyone else have any ideas on what would be good? BillPP 11:14, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gets my thumbs up! Allthough "Trivia" Seems to be more the standard for TV and Movies as opposed to "Miscellenea" --DennyCrane Talk 14:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. 4 or 5 sentences should be good for the description at the very most. Nuke the themes and ALL the quotes (that's what wikiquote is for), as well. --InShaneee 19:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format of Episode articles

message: *There was a  tag on Swollen eyeball, but it was not referenced here, where it appears most discussions take place.  Adding  and  tags to each article.  -- MrDolomite | Talk 08:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discuss [[Swollen eyeball]] merge 

message: This appears under trivia: "He stopped the cameos of himself because he said it was distracting people from the show itself." This needs to be cited. I'm not taking it out right now, though. 24.214.178.44 19:41, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Needed 

message: No way is that a pirahna in "The Wettening", it's way too small, shaped wrong and colored wrong, though I can see why you'd think it was from the teeth seen while it's been drank. I'd say it's just a random, artist's depiction of a "fish" and certainly no pirahna.
I believe the object in question is actually Filler Bunny. Chris Furniss - weeklygeekshow.com 00:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piranha in the trivia section? 

message: Should there be a project Zim?  i think it might be interesting.  And also a project (or just a part of project zim): johnny the homicidal maniac... i dunno Miss misra belle 21:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know that there'd be enough interest (almost certainly not for a WikiProject Johnny), and it'd run out of material pretty fast since both are done. --InShaneee 14:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  project zim? 

message: I have heard that in addition to Billy West, Mark Hamill, too, was initially considered for Zim's voice role before Richard Steven Horvitz came in. Is this true? I understand that Wikipedia is not a forum, but I really would like some clarification. DJ Autagirl (talk) 17:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems like a question that some devoted Google searching could help you resolve, or [twitter.com/search?q=Jhonen%20Vasquez&src=tyah perhaps a polite query to Jhonen Vasquez's Twitter account]. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zim's voice actors 

message: Let's say if the comics get over 20, then the comic book section would become alittle too long for a article mainly based on the television series, what would you need in it for it to become an article itself?GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What would the Invader Zim comics need to have to become it's own article, hypothetically 

message: It should have the "Cartoon controversies" because "Dark Harvest is a controversial episode.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4701:C4A0:8485:DCB6:B05C:9A21 (talk) 17:08, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not clear what you are proposing or requesting. I don't see any suggestions suggestions for specific changes to existing content. Talk pages are intended to be used to discuss improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the subject. If, however, you are circuitously proposing the addition of some of the observations you've written above, the observations have to be amply supported by reliable published sources. I'm sure you can imagine the problems that would be created if we encouraged people to write opinion pieces in articles. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:56, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I started Draft:Invader Zim: Enter the Florpus dose anyone want to help?Fanoflionking 22:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eneter zim  

message: I don't want to do this wrong but the ride has been delisted from AmericanDream's website completely and the attraction is now stored in the fenced off area behind a roller coaster's track.  Do we just rewrite the sentences about the ride to be in the past tense? It's not exactly something that companies announce. You'd just have to awkward find out when you get there or find footage from a random YouTuber.2600:8805:8100:17E:E1A9:78C2:A698:FE14 (talk) 03:57, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invader ZIM's Flip & Spin... of DOOM! closed 

message: No joke. Cartoon Network actually DID plan on wanting to continue Invader ZiM as part of Adult Swim, and even bid to purchase the show from Nickelodeo, but after Disney's Doug, Nick refused to sell the rights.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.132.115.10 (talk) 03:03, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartoon Network planning to buy Invader ZiM