Talk:Eight-ball

message: Check  for the new 2006 rules and their changes. They will be in effect until 2008. 70.111.251.203 03:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there anything specific in them that needs to be addressed here?  — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 12:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

text: PS: Perhaps more to the point, this article uses the WPA World Standardized Rules, which are reprinted by BCA. As far as I know, the article is presently using the 2006 or later rules, so I'm not seeing that there's an issue. If you (or whoever) can identify as specific problem, I can fix it easily, as I have the 2008 rules (the newest edition; a 2009 version was not published, as nothing changed) in hardcopy right here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 19:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: However when it comes to UK 'casual' pool, one rule change that has been poorly received is the ruling that when potting the white ball on the break, without potting any other of the balls, whether it be red or yellow (as in the British game) or solids and stripes, as us in the US are more used to, then the game is lost. Usually when this occurs, the competitors will merely accept a re-break, although if it is a competitive game for money, the breaking side will lose the game. 70.111.251.203 18:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you (the same "rule" exists in some variants of US bar pool, too), but I have a feeling that the entire multi-subsection section on colloquial rules may get axed per WP:V, because most of it is not only unsourced, it's essentially unsourceable - no one writes rule books about US or Canadian or UK or Botswanan or whatever pub/bar pool. PS: Dang, I thought I had a pretty stable IP address! Almost 4 years is quite something. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 19:44, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rules changes 

message: Someone has vandalised this page (not me) I am reaserching pool. What happens if a player still has to pocket a number ball and a 8 ball, and thy do them both in one shot? this happened to me this afternoon, i reckon the guy who did it should lose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by  143.238.70.236 (talk) 10 May 2006
:As the article makes clear, that is a loss of game; the 8 cannot be pocketed on the same shot as one's last object ball. Pocketing the 8 legally and also dropping an opponent's ball in the process, before or after the 8, is not an issue (except in information Canadian rules). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 07:34, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pocketing the 8 and another ball

message: I've read this article a few times but I can't see an easy to follow rule list with penalties, I know there are lots of different sets of rules and penalties but it would be nice to see one version (a pub rule set at least...) eg. If the other players ball is sunk when taking your shot, an extra shot is given to the other player. (Bouncingmolar 07:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Again, as to English-style/blackball rules, that really eventually needs to be its own (and better developed) Blackball article. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 12:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rule list 

message: Pool (game) redirects here, but I always thought that eight-ball was just one version of pool. Shouldn't that redirect lead to Pocket billiards instead?--Azer Red Si? 22:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 23:01, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pool redirect 

message: I've done a major rewrite, to take care of a lot of non-encyclopedically written additions, and to vastly clarify the difference between American-style eight-ball, and UK-style blackball (which should probably really be forked into its own article).  Loads of clarification, and large-scale wikillinking of Glossary terms, new sources, removal of redundancies, addition of more colloquial rules variations in the section for that, you name it.  It would be helpful if someone more familiar with Commonwealth English were to review the stuff about blackball/UK eight-ball and the cited rules sources I've tried to summarize, and the associated major entries in the Glossary (especially at  and related nearby entries.) — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 12:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Much of this material has moved to Blackball (pool). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 19:58, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Massive edit

message: I think some reference should be made to the fact that unlike Three-ball and Nine-ball, (which are actually played with 3 and 9 balls respectively), Eight-ball refers to the game-play significance of the 8-ball, not the number of balls in play.  (It's often confusing to new players that "Eight-ball" actually uses more balls than "Nine-ball", despite the names.)  Lurlock 17:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's even a little more complicated than that.  Nine-ball and seven-ball are named for both the number of balls and the , while eight-ball is named only for the money ball, meanwhile three-ball and fifteen-ball are named only for the number of balls. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 00:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I agree that the article should clarify this. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 08:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number in name 

message: Aside from the fact that the assertion isn't sourced, it's been asserted that the Australian common pub rules have it that potting the cue ball off the 8 ball ever is a loss of game. Clarification needed:
#Is there any source for this at all? Even a local league rules document or something?
#Does this truly mean "ever" or only when the 8 ball is hit first (or even only when I'm "on" the 8 ball)? I.e., if I'm aiming for the 9, hit the 9 (first), then carom the cue ball off the 9 and then off the 8, but alas, accidentally pot the cue ball into the side pocket (regardless what happens to the 9 ball so long as I did not early-pocket the 8 ball), is that a .au loss-of-game?
— SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 12:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of that one before. As far as i know, pocketing the 8 earlier than required, or pocketing the 8 on a foul is a loss of game only.Baggers89 (talk) 07:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Will remove it then. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Australian in-off rule

message: I removed the following unsourced addition about Brazil, as it appears to be confused:
In Brazil,...in some regions, the two groups of target balls are decided by their number being odd or even, not the ball being stripped or solid (that is, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 and 14 vs. 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13; the 15-ball takes the place of the 8-ball).
That would make what is being discussed there a form of fifteen-ball not eight-ball, by definition.  I don't think there is a fifteen-ball article yet, though I intend to add one fairly soon (and fully sourced). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 17:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess "fairly soon" turned into "whenever"... Too much to do! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Brazil material 

message: I'm creating the spanish article about 8-ball. As I think my english is not good enough to do it, I inform you that I have included the variations in my country, Spain. If anyone undestands spanish, you're invited to complete even more this fantastic article... Cheers :) --88.14.138.126 20:45, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My Spanish is not very good, but I will see what I can do when I have the time. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hola, amigos (variations in Spain)

message: I'm sorry I know this has already been discussed but this is section is wrong!
There are three sets of rules played in the UK: World Eight Ball Pool Federation Rules sanctioned by the EPA    BAPTO rules which are bigger in Scotland and Blackball which is fairly new and not heavily played. The EPA does not sanction Blackball rules, Blackball as a game is not widely known, 8 ball pool is!
I will slightly alter this in a couple of days if no one objects!
--Watford147 (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you may be at the wrong article.  All of this stuff is covered at Blackball (pool), which also covers "8-ball pool".  That articles does need work, as it does not cover BAPTO at all.  If there is something wrong in the UK section in this article, by all means fix it, but this is the eight-ball not 8-ball pool article; they are different but related games.  If BAPTO rules are actually for eight-ball, played with what you call kelly pool balls (i.e. numbered solids and stripes), then any BAPTO material probably does belong here.  From everything I can figure out so far comparing their rulesets, WEPF/EPA 8-ball pool and WPA blackball have such minor rules variations that there is no reason not to simply distinguish between them at the blackball article.  If WEPF also promulgates stripes-and-solids eight-ball rules, then, yeah, we do have an issue here. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  English-style rules 

message: I don't know the rules, but this one appears to stand out in the Winning section due to the typo's, lack of capitalization and wording: "if you make the oppisites player ball in and then your 8 ball you loose."
It should either be fixed, or removed if it doesn't belong here.
--DanielPharos (talk) 15:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it. The rule as stated was technically correct (well what I could make out given its poor wording) but randomly stated and placed.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically correct in what?  I have only encountered this in bar pool, and only in a few places. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 20:27, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Technically correct in that if you contact the opponent's ball first when you are shooting at the 8 ball, that's a foul. When you foul when the 8 ball is the ball on, you lose if the 8 ball is pocketed (and regular ball in hand results if it is not pocketed just like any foul). The rule was so poorly stated, I'm not sure if the user meant the opponent's ball was hit first, but it could mean this, which would have made it correct. Anyway, once you're trying to figure out what the hell someone is talking about, because they write so unclearly that multiple interpretations are possible, the game for keeping that edit is already lost.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 23:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird rule 

message: I don't know much about pool, that's why I looked up this article in the first place, but what's all that stuff in the UK section about 'doing a Blair', I assume it's a load of bollocks, but since I don't know I'll leave it for someone who does to remove it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.33.114.129 (talk) 12:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No such material remains in the article. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 23:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense 

message: "Played on a pool table with six pockets, eight-ball is the most common pool game in the world and is so universally known that beginners, often aware of no other pool games, ubiquitously believe the word "pool" itself refers to eight-ball."
References for this?  This also needs to be changed as "the world" implies that all countries would conform to the above - not true.  Mention "pool" anywhere in England and people will assume you mean "blackball" (a name I've never heard it called - literally everyone in england calls it pool).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caseykcole (talk • contribs) 03:10, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've cleaned up the lead some to address these issues. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 23:59, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Most common in the world?

message: An entire section needs to be added on VNEA, APA, BCAPL, ACA, ACS, TAP, IPT and other league rules variations, where the league in question is notable enough for an article (all just mentioned are, but several do not have articles or even sections in other articles yet). Doing this will forestall problems like the recent insertion of extraneous APA rules details into the WPA World Standardized material.  I think it fairly likely that I'll be the one to start this section (just because I tend to do stuff like that, and WP:CUE doens't have a lot of active editors, but if someone else wants to do it, then please do so; I have many fish to fry. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 03:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  League rules section needed 

message: I have removed the following from the Brazil section of the article, since it does not make any sense in English:
Also in São Paulo region is common to play with one player pocketing pairs and the other pocketing unpairs with the 1-ball or 15-ball as the last one.
"Unpair" is not a word, and "pair" is ambiguous.  If someone knows what this actually is supposed to mean, please enlighten us. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 12:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Indented line I guess he meant even-numbered and odd-numbered balls.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.214 (talk) 23:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sao Paolo 

message: I think it would be a useful split at some point to move the rules to a separate Eight-ball rules article (c.f. Snooker rules, etc.)  This article is long-ish.  After laying out the world standardized rules, I think it would be particularly instructive to set up a table with columns that differentiated where other rulesets diverge from it.  Have WPA rules (used by BCA, BCAPL, USAPL, ACS and many other leagues) first, followed by APA and VNEA, and maybe TAP.  Blackball is probably too divergent to include, as it would conflict with almost every rule. :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 08:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eight-ball rules sub-article 

message: It would be nice to be able to find some information on the origin of this design of the balls.  The only form of pool I've heard of in which the numbers have significance is nine-ball, but if it were to mimic that game, I somehow doubt 9-ball would be played with the first 9 balls of an 8-ball set.
I can imagine there being a form of pool in which each player's aim is to pot his/her balls in order: spots from 1 up to 7, stripes from 15 down to 9, and then in each case the 8 to complete the sequence.  For all I know, this variant may have been thought up independently by many, but has any such game ever been officially recognised by anybody? -- Smjg (talk) 21:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the game called Rotation (pool). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

text: There are many games which use the numbering of the balls. As Baseball Bugs says above, rotation, then there's Kelly Pool, Chicago, Cribbage, ten ball, seven ball, six ball, Mister and Mrs., Baseball pocket billiards... and well the list goes on and on. Numbered balls first started being used for the game of hazards in 1773 which was the forerunner to pool. In it, all the balls were white but they were numbered. If a player made a winning-hazard (pocketing a ball—as opposed to a losing hazard: pocketing the cue ball intentionally on a carom), the player scored the numerical sum of the ball's number.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And I left out perhaps the most obvious one, Straight pool, in which without the numbers you would be forced to say things like, "That one with the smudge that looks like Madonna, in the side pocket." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Straight pool  (my favorite of all pocket games) could be played without numbering: "yellow stripe corner" (but it would be painful), while many other games such as those I listed require numbers as part of the score or the rotation.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh, colors would be sufficient. Or just numbers, for that matter. Anyway, here's hoping we enlightened the OP a little bit. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are the balls numbered? 

message: I mean really, who is really looking up 8ball for the '8ball'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.152.141.66 (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  I really think 'Eight-ball' Should re-direct to the cocaine measurement 

message: This article does not state what the numbers are for. Presumably the balls have to be potted in order, or this game would be the same as what we call pool in England. If that is correct, are balls 9 to 15 potted in ascending or descending order? The article needs to be amended to include this information. Even if there are regional variation, something should be said about the prevalent rule. This omission seems to be a classic example of something seeming so obvious to people who know the subject that they have forgotten to mention it, but it is not self-evident what the numbers are for. Postlebury (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, eight-ball is not a rotation game (whereas, for example, nine-ball is); the balls are not potted in any order. Once choice of group is assigned, one player is solids (balls 1-7) and the other is stripes (balls 9-15) and each player may make any of his group in any order. Once the player has potted all of his group, he may then shoot at the 8-ball. I actually detailed the origin of ball numbering higher on this page. Almost all pool games (there are a few hundred) use a standard set of numbered and colored balls. Some use the numbering of balls directly as a facet of the game rules and some do not. As noted, rotation games require the balls to be made in the order of the numbering. Others have the players scoring the number of points the balls are numbered, and many pool games do not use the numbers directly at all, except to the extent that players describe the balls they are going to hit (in call-pocket games) usually by the number assigned rather than the colour. By the way, I'm really not sure what you mean when you say "or this game would be the same as what we call pool in England." In England, "pool" (which is a word of American origin) is used in the say way it is in the States, or at least that appears to be the case. It refers not to a single game but to many games played on pocket billiards tables. In England they play nine ball pool, eight ball pool, and other pool games. See, for example, this UK site which provides rules for many pool games and uses the word as Americans do. Note, though, that here in the States as well, in amateur venues, many people who are only passingly familiar with the sport do sometimes use the word "pool" to mean just the game of eight-ball, since it is the only game they know, and is the predominant game played in pubs. The same may be true in England.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:50, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What are the numbers for?

message: Gasukidesu (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, I've declined this request as no request has been made to edit the article. Please make sure that in any future requests that you make you use the format "Please change x to y", otherwise it can be difficult for us to find out exactly what edit you would like to be made to the page. Thanks, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) -  14:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There was another reason not to do this: that is some local variant rule (a "bar rule") that is utterly incorrect in all authoritative rule sets.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Gasukidesu, 28 May 2010 

message: how can this be eight ball if there is more than 15 balls on the table  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.169.135 (talk) 16:18, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The balls are numbered, physically having affixed the numerals 1 through 15. In this game, the ball numbered 8 has special significance, as you'll note if your read the article, so it's named after that ball.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why "eight-ball"?

message: This sentence:
"This includes "split" shots, where the cue ball strikes one of the shooter's and one of the opponent's object ball simultaneously."
should be changed to:
"This does NOT includes "split" shots, where the cue ball strikes one of the shooter's and one of the opponent's object ball simultaneously."
according to World Standardized Rules. See reference 5 (http://www.wpa-pool.com/download/Official_%20WPA_Rules.pdf), point 1.16.4 SPLIT HITS:
"If the cue ball strikes a legal object ball and a non-legal object ball at approximately the same instant, and it cannot be determined which ball was hit first, the judgement will go in favor of the shooter."
Tallaght.ie (talk) 11:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Dabomb87 (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split shots 

message: An anon recently changed the heading "World Standardized Rules" to "Standardized Rules of Play", with the edit summary 'The WPA website no longer refers to the rules as the World Standardized Rules. They were previously referred to in that manner, with news entry in 2005 mentioning some adopted change to them, but any current reference to them says "Rules of Play".)'
This needs further investigation. For one thing, the WPA website isn't their authoritative documentation, which are printed copies of rules they provide to referees and tournament organizers. The website is just a public "face" they put on this stuff.  For another, we have multiple reliable sources for the title "World Standardized Rules", including every single BCA rulebook published for more than a decade. I'm skeptical that this change based on the HTML  of a webpage is valid. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib.  00:01, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I am aware, the World Standardized Rules were effective through through 2008, when they were amended and renamed the World Rules, the present regime (the Rules of Play being the subheading). A pdf is available at http://www.wpa-pool.com/pdf/web/WPA_Rules.pdf I am not a fan of the reorganization, although the rules have not changed a great deal in the main. I personally would use the BCAPL for all rule calls if I was allowed—so much more nuanced.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmph. The current PDF actually says "Pool Billiards – The Rules of Play". So the whole "World" part seems to have been lost, unless the printed version still has it.  PS: I agree on the BCAPL rules; I play ACS too, but they've adopted the BCAPL rules.  VNEA is pretty close, APA being the real "out there" variant.  I haven't checked up on TAP rules in 10 years, though. — SMcCandlish    Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib.  05:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You want clarity? Maybe try emailing Bob Jewett: jewett [at] sfbilliards [dot] com. I believe he was one of the main drafters of the rules changes so I wold think he could shed light on this issue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:52, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of WPA rules 

message: The first sentence of the article, similar to other articles, is confusing to me. It would be better to somehow state more simply "8-ball is a popular version of pocket billiards (pool)." Maybe cut down on the names of it in the first sentence. and have them mentioned at the end of the paragraph. 108.86.184.50 (talk) 02:43, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence would introduce an error or at least a point of confusion because it implies pocket billiards is a game, and 8-ball is a variant game but pocket billiards is a classifier for a broad class of games played on tables with pockets where pocketing balls is a goal of play (as opposed to carom billiards--where caroms are the goal of play, often played on tables with no pockets at all). It is the equivalent to "ball game"; "kick ball is a ball game"; "8-ball is a pocket billiards game". You would no more say 8-ball is a version of pocket billiards than you would say kick ball is version of ball games. I donkt really see how stating alternate names is confusing. I am by no means saying this crappy article isn't crap, which it most definitely is, nor that the lead doesn't need rewriting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Sentence 

message: A competitive season that runs from autumn of 2008 through spring of 2009 is the is "2008/2009" season.  A "2008–2009" season would be a two-year season.  Neither style should use "09", as it is liable to be interpreted as a month.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  04:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't "fix" season names. 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Another variant that is not covered, but apparently attracting professional competition, is Chinese eight-ball pool, played on  tables with standard WPA ("American") balls and "similar" rules, but using snooker pockets and cushions. [The cushion assertion cannot actually be correct, or the balls would fly off the table. What it probably refers to is a  that looks like ___⌉ (as in snooker) instead of ___< (as in pool and carom billiards), in a cross-sectional view (where ___ is the table bed near the cushion).  The game apparently also uses heated tables, like three-cushion billiards.
Below, I'll go over sources cited so far (two from material inserted into List of world eight-ball champions, and two from an improper hatnote at Chinese eight-ball (which is about something different, an American folk/pastime variant, played by shooting object balls at the cueball to  [BrEng: ] them into pockets, as in Russian billiards).  There is some discussion about "Chinese eight-ball pool" also at Talk:List of world eight-ball champions, but it should be centralized here.
If the rules of this game closely follow WPA/BCA rules (which seems to be the case from sources so far), it should be listed, with more sources, in a section at this article. If it more closely follows the rules of Blackball (pool) (a.k.a. "English eight-ball pool"), it should instead be covered there.  Regardless, there should be a "See also" entry for it in the other article, such that both existing articles make reference to it one way or another. Then the hatnote at Chinese eight-ball can be fixed to point to the proper location.  Finally, the List of world eight-ball champions can be updated to include this game's top player, but this surely should not happen until there's a sourced section on the game at either Eight-ball or at Blackball (pool), as appropriate.  If the game itself cannot be demonstrated to be WP:Notable enough for its own article, nor verifiable enough in its details for a section, then the champions article should not include information about it, since that would just be non-encyclopedic trivia-cruft.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  09:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly (to answer this years later), I think the other article should be completely overhauled to be about the modern Chinese 8-ball, and not the archaic (and racistly named) barely notable game. It does a disservice to our readers to not address the most basic of questions related to the most common use of the term. No one cares about a forgettable and forgotten fanciful variant. People do care about the version of the game used in the richest professional pool tournament in the world. oknazevad (talk) 22:17, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Marking this resolved, since we now have coverage of the modern, pro game.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:29, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese eight-ball pool

message: Some definition of "scratch" needs to be added to this article. It first appears shortly before the Fouls section, and no distinction is made between scratching and fouling. -Jordgette [talk] 20:23, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, as most readers understand what a foul is. Scratch is specific to this topic.--KasiaNL (talk) 08:07, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

text: A scratch is just a type of foul. If this isn't clear in the text, I can fix that.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:25, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Scratch" no longer appears in the article. All the fouls are covered, including pocketing the cue ball or knocking it off the table (two meanings of "scratch"), so there is no reason to use the ambiguous slang term "scratch", really.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  12:28, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scratch vs. foul