Talk:Victor E. Marsden

message: Yours truly,--Ludvikus 02:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

message: The primary contributor to this article might wish to consider just how many sentences in the article start with "but", and then consider whether the presentation is encyclopedic. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  But... 

message: Let others "cleanup" the Article as to its encyclopedic style! I am amazed by the inaccuracies concerning Marsden, who died on October 28, 1920! Ludvikus 01:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The ORIGINAL 1934 imprint I purchased on September 21, 2006, for a grand total of $181.00. And owning this Antisemitica item gives me the opportunity to feel like Sherlock Holmes!Ludvikus 01:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the WP principle against Original Research! However, going to the ORIGINAL TEXTS and giving them a priority over SECONDARY WORKS must be an exception to this rule - or the rule must be interpreted in such a way to permit such prioritization- no matter what the EXPERTS SAY! The catalogs of the world's scholarly libraries are at our 'mouse's click"! And that's how one should be an effective WP Encyclopedist!!!Ludvikus 01:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The elimination of to many "buts" I leave to other fine WP editors!Ludvikus 01:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[But]], I actually own the [[1934]] [[imprint]] of the [[Protocols of Zion]] 

message: I've TAG'ed this allegation with "" today. I quote from our article as follows:
     The first English language publication of this text was in London,
     in the The Morning Post, in 1920, and Marsden
     is credited with its translation.
A careful reading of Norman Cohn's Warrant for Genocide shows him to be quite cagey on the issue of who translated The Protocols for The Morning Post. In fact, Cohn devotes only a singe page to Marsden, p. 169, where he says the following:
     Just as The Time was influenced by its correspondent in Russia, Robert Wilton, so the
     Morning Post accepted everything it was told by its correspondent in Russia, Victor
     Marsden. Like Wilton, Marsden was an Englishman who had lived many years in Russia and had
     adopted, with passion, the outlook of Russian right-wingers. And if Wilton could by
     imagination conjure up a Soviet monument to Judas Iscariot, Marsden went further and produced
     a new translation of the Protocols (it is still on sale in London today). It is not
     therefore surprising that in the summer of 1920 the Morning Post should have published
     a series of eighteen articles expounding the full myth of the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy, with
     of course due reference to the Protocols.
Not only are these 18 Morning Post articles hard to get, but Cohn is extremely unclear as to this alleged "new translation of the Protocols (it is still on sale in London today)." Which is the "new" translation, and which is the "old"? Could Marsden in fact be completely innocent as to any translation work regarding at least the published English language Protocols? Ah! No original research! But what does a Wikipedian do in the light of lack of any knowledge?
:Yours truly,--Ludvikus 02:23, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Marsden translate [[The Protocols]] for [[The Morning Post]]? 

message: The British Library has acknowledge that the alleged (1922) imprint is a mistake. --Ludvikus 00:25, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: British Library:
     System number        009601120
     Author - personal    Nilus.
     Title   	         Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion / translated from                  
                          the Russian Text by Victor E. Marsden.
     Publisher/year   	 London : The Britons Publishing Society, (1922)
     Holdings (All)   	 Details
     Shelfmark   	 W73/5522 DSC Request
This catalog entry has been changed by the library as inaccurate and mistaken (at my prompting). --Ludvikus 00:27, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  W73/5522  

message: There is a conspiracy theory out there which claims that Marsden's death in 1920 was actually a murder, presumably in retaliation for having published the English edition of the Protocols. While this theory does seem rather dubious, the present article should certainly provide more information on the exact cause of his death, since the current version doesn't really give any details about his biography. ADM (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Alleged murder