Talk:Sequoyah

message: The changes may be disputed. The four subsections below discuss those changes. If we can reach a consensus, I'll be glad to make the appropriate corrections. CPret 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The link is now dead. Pete unseth (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion for changes made 25 Sep 2004 

message: An editor of the article has stated, perhaps not really intending to denigrate Sequoyah, that Sequoyah means in Cherokee, "A real pig". Isn't the etymology more correctly "having pig-like features" or "resembling a pig" and generally thought to refer to Sequoyah's crippled foot? CPret 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Sequoyah ''"A Real Pig"''? 

message: Is there any serious consideration that Sequoyah did not invent the Cherokee syllabary? The Cherokee Council as early as 1825, declared "... Cherokee characters, the invention of George Guist, a Cherokee." I would tend to rely on the records made contemporary to the events. CPret 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Sequoyah invent the awesome awesome awesome Cherokee syllabary? 

message: The picture is from a lithograph from "The History of the Indian Tribes of North America" by McKinney and Hall, where the subject is identified as SE-QUO-YAH.  The McKinney and Hall books are generally considered authoritative, and, in any case, the artist would have known the identity of his subject. CPret 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this a picture of Sequoyah? 

message: I moved the link, Excerpts from Tell Them They Lie, here for discussion.  The link is to a partial transcript of "Tell Them They Lie: The Sequoyah Myth"  by Traveller Bird, 1971. I believe the purported facts in this book and the authenticity of the author were discredited years ago and the book determined to be a work of fiction. Any proof to the contrary would be appreciated. CPret 05:03, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The link is now dead. Pete unseth (talk) 23:48, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to ''Tell Them They Lie'' 

message: I have heard that there is/was a cursive form of the syllabary.  I can very well believe that people found the illustraated characters difficult to reproduce quickly enough to write fluently, and therefor a cursive form must have existed.  Can anyone help with information about this, and a sample of the cursive form?  Too Old 15:40, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cursive Form 

message: I just wanted to interject a little detail. I knew a gentleman, a sculptor and medical illustrator in WW2, named David Villasenor. He did a sculpture of Sequoyah that was donated to the Cherokee Center in Oklahoma. This was in the mid-late '70s, when he lived in San Dimas, CA. I tried to look David up in Wiki, but couldn't find him. 
That's all ...
Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment transferred from [[/Comments|Comments]] page

message: Which wife allegedly burned Sequoyah's shack down? Was it Sally or Utiya? The source does not clarify.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.191.12.72 (talk) 19:28, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Wife? 

message: I have marked this page as class B for WP:Oklahoma, per Bob Burkhardt's comment on the Article assessment summary page. Bruin2 (talk) 01:00, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article assessment 

message: This page starts off saying Sequoyah signed his name ᏍᏏᏉᏯ, which makes me wonder whether there are pictures of his signature we could use. Other biographies sometimes include a signature, like James Cook. It would be cool to see one in the Cherokee syllabary. I did a very quick search and only found one we can't use (Copyright 2013 by Western Carolina University): , found on this page. It's interesting to see how he (and three others) wrote their syllabary letters (I'm not quite sure who the three other people are, but perhaps they have Wikipedia pages too). Sequoyah's Ꮝ and Ꮙ are recognizable but fairly different from the way they look in the modern Cherokee font (at least the one I have on this computer). I would suspect his signature could be found on some US government site, like the Library of Congress. Can anyone find it? Pfly (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature 

message: Is it alright if I put a section of Sequoyah's appearances in popular culture? For example, he appeared in the alternate history North American Confederacy Series novel The Probability Broach by L. Neil Smith, in which the United States becomes a Libertarian state after Albert Gallatin intrudes into the Whiskey Rebellion to help the farmers rather than the government. This leads to the rebellion becoming the Second American Revolution and eventually leads to George Washington getting overthrown and executed in 1794. Sequoyah (named Sequoyah Guess in the timeline) served as the eighth President of the North American Confederacy from 1840 until his death in a battle in 1842 since the were no Indian Wars in the alternate timeline. He was the first Native American to serve as NAC President and was succeeded by Osceola.
I tried putting this on the article in its own section, but it got deleted the next day. If anyone doesn't beleive me, look at these two articles that will state what I said!:
* North American Confederacy
* List of fictional United States presidencies of historical figures (A-G)
--75.68.122.13 (talk) 12:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequoyah in Popular Culture

message: According to this the portrait in this article is of Thomas Maw, not Sequoyah. --Rebroad (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe. This seems to be authentic. The Cherokee Nation and Tahlequah By Deborah L. Duvall This source Sequoyah and the Invention of the Cherokee Alphabet By April R. Summitt also suggests it is Thomas Maw. The problem of course is that this apparently comes from Traveller BirdSo it's relatively recent. And the Smithsonian thinks it's genuine. I don't think it can be removed, but maybe it should be discussed in the article. Doug Weller talk 14:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure why the Smithsonian's claim about the painting should be so quickly dismissed by an undocumented claim on a website that is about the location of graves. No claims by Traveller Bird should be automatically accepted, but rather examined carefully. I find no reason to mention the dispute about the authenticity of the painting in the article. Pete unseth (talk) 16:07, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you propose we do that? I'm not willing to dismiss the painting, but the claim that it was actually Thomas Maw should be mentioned. Doug Weller talk 17:19, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting is NOT of Sequoyah 

message: Substituted at 05:46, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Both are apparently used to refer to his mother. Is there a definitive concept of which is correct? Even if not it might be good to decide on one and stick with it. (It's also possible I don't understand why two names are given.) Corwinlw (talk) 03:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wut-teh vs Wuteh 

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message: , whereas I may agree with you that Sequoyah is a linguist, he did not study languages extensively. Sequoyah was monolingual, meaning he only spoke/read/understood Cherokee. He did study the spoken Cherokee language and broke down the sounds of its vowels and consonants to give each syllable a character. Though he could not read a word of it, he used a Bible, written in King James English, to form the symbols used for the Syllabary. It is quite a remarkable accomplishment. His young daughter assisted him too. She was also his first student. I left your good faith revision as is because it is technically true, but the explanation is somewhat misleading. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linguist 

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message: At the top of the article it says he was born in 1770. Then, later, it says 1778. SheldonHelms (talk) 08:17, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born when? 

message: The article states that the spelling ᏎᏉᏯ (Se-quo-ya) is the one "often spelled in [modern] Cherokee", but in my research, the spelling ᏏᏉᏯ (Si-quo-ya) is much more popular among modern Cherokee sources, including the Cherokee Phoenix and the official documentation of the Cherokee tribes. Why isn't it treated as the modern canonical spelling? MrSwedishMeatballs (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling in syllabary