Talk:Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg

message: Let's begin this collaboration by putting together a list of sources we could consult for details on CPS's bio. There's seriously nothing on Google, and I don't think Artscroll publishes bio-books on living rabbis... Any ideas? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, I figured that wouldn't go... - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Right. It's WP policy. No honorific beyond one use. If you wanna put it in - go for it. Eventually some unrelated editor will come and clean them out, anyway. Rav Sheinberg is what I would prefer. I also uploaded a picture of him from my son's bris. My wife insisted that I crop myself out :) - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email13:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I have no idea why you think that "Rabbi" is more than an honorific and becomes part of the name. Especially when I hear stories about gedolim who would answer the phone and simply give their names, without any title. I feel very odd when referring to a rav by name only, but that is the environment we are in. Wikipedia is a general public resource, not a specifically Jewish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I just spent a few minutes looking at some articles about some leaders of the catholic church. My conclusion is that there is no consistency about the titles. Throughout the articles, sometimes the name is used on its own, and sometimes it is preceded by "pope" or "bishop" or "father". The rule about using the title only in the first case is not followed universally, and so we don't have to follow it either. However, I do think we should use "Rabbi", and not "Rav". This is the English Wikipedia, not the Yinglish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for bio

message: By the way, in Judaism the title "Rabbi" is not just an "honorific" in the English sense of the word for a true rabbi, it usually becomes part of his name, even his "essence". So it is in keeping with Judaism that a significant rabbinic personality should be called "Rabbi" as much as possible stylistically and not, for example, just plain old common Chaim Yankel for a first name or Kuntsenmacher for a last name which degrades the rabbi and runs counter to what the article about that personality is trying to convey in its true context. Religious Jews should appreciate this, while it may not make immediate sense to others. Wikipedia policies are not "weapons" to smear people, and sometimes there is both a certain convention to adhere to and, hey, there is always Wikipedia:Ignore all rules ! IZAK 13:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea why you think that "Rabbi" is more than an honorific and becomes part of the name. Especially when I hear stories about gedolim who would answer the phone and simply give their names, without any title. I feel very odd when referring to a rav by name only, but that is the environment we are in. Wikipedia is a general public resource, not a specifically Jewish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I just spent a few minutes looking at some articles about some leaders of the catholic church. My conclusion is that there is no consistency about the titles. Throughout the articles, sometimes the name is used on its own, and sometimes it is preceded by "pope" or "bishop" or "father". The rule about using the title only in the first case is not followed universally, and so we don't have to follow it either. However, I do think we should use "Rabbi", and not "Rav". This is the English Wikipedia, not the Yinglish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rabbi means more in Judaism

message: What's the source for his birth? We have it listed in the intro paragraph as a definite (b. 1913), and later as indefinite (circa 1913). I want to make it consistent, but without a source I don't know which way to go. (Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard to find an exact date - NY did keep birth records in the early part of the 20th century). --Bachrach44 01:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth 

message: Has anyone got the book "All for The Boss" by Ruchama Shain? With the difficulty of finding info about Rav Scheinbeeg, I am enlightened that the book contains some info about him, although I don't how exactly know he's connected to the subject matter. See pages 113-115 especially. Many thanks, Nesher 19:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: wow! Thanks so much - this is gold! I'm going to add it in right now. If you find any more info keep us posted and by all means add it. Many thanks, Nesher 21:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Over the past day, I've seen the story making the rounds. The article you linked to is unfortunately not WP:RS and can not be used. If anyone has a reliable source for the story or the rumor that he played pitcher as a teenager ("Lefty" Scheinberg) please post it. Joe407 (talk) 14:45, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  All for the Boss 

message: Who iz dat? - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shachne Zohn? 

message: The reason cannot be his trying to keep up with all various and many times contradicting rules of the Tzizit, since this itself contradicts a basic rule in Judaism called "Haksil Bachoshekh Holekh" from Ecclesiastes 2,14) "...but the fool walks in darkness", according to which one cannot follow both sides of a disagreement (Talmud, Rosh-Hashana tractate, 14b, among many). 
I have heard that the Tzanser had heard of this as the reason for Rabbi Scheinberg's multiple Tziziot, and had scoffed at it (don't remember the exact words). On a second occasion the story on the Tzanzer was not about R. Scheinberg, but rather about people who follow Rabbi Scheinberg for this reason. 
But now that I read the second explanation, it seems plausible.
--Moshe 14:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple Tzizit issue 

message: This article reads way too much like it's yeshivish - there's a lot of unexplained (and IMO unnecessary) Hebrew terminology that obfuscate the article to anyone without a certain level of background in Judaism.  One of my fixes, by the way, rm'ed a wl in "siyum on the Shas" to an article on the Shas party, not the liturgical abbreviation.  There's nothing wrong with using English and piping to the correct terms, like wedding canopy.  WP is a general encyclopedia written for the non-specialist, and that needs to be taken into consideration. MSJapan (talk) 18:06, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. It often takes a fresh pair of eyes to see this stuff. Joe407 (talk) 18:23, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs some cleanup... 

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