Talk:Eureka Seven/Archive 1

message: am i the only one or someone else notice that she (eureka) looks like arujuna in the end (ep50).
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000E3L7AK.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1138139936_.jpg
picture or arjuna (dvd flap)
it's youEAB 23:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eureka's Resemblance to Arjuna? 

message: Is there support for the assertion that all the episode titles are taken from song titles? A few are obviously named after songs, but many of the others are common phrases, or phrases which have cultural or historical significance far outweighing their significance as song titles (e.g. Paper Moon, Paradise Lost, Memento Mori). Also, I think citing a relatively obscure contemporary jazz band's cover of When You Wish Upon A Star as the source for an episode's title really requires a source, since there are dozens if not hundreds of versions of that song which could just as easily be the inspiration for the episode title, without a statement from the series' creators either way. The episodes whose titles are just a single English word seem equally dubious to me. -- Asterphage 07:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode Titles 

message: In the dub, the name "Eureka" sounds strange to me. Is the Japanese r/l sound being translated into the English "L" or the English "R" sound? Or does it just sound strange to me because the dub is using the Japanese r/l sound? Herorev 00:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've only seen the show a couple of times, but it sounded to me like "Ay-ur-eh-ka", not like the exclamation "Eureka!"--Tachikoma 01:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Going back to the katakana spelling, エウレカ, it does indeed sound like a direct transfer of "Ay-oo-re-ka" (e u re ka). My prior attempt at representing the phonetics notwithstanding. --Tachikoma 01:21, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the first sound represented in the "レ" character is not present in English. It is similar to the English "R" sound, but definately not the same. I'm wondering if the English dub is using an English "L" sound, an English "R" sound, or the Japanese sound (present in "レ") that is not in the English language. In any case, the pronounciation guide in the article ("ey-oo-rehka") doesn't seem very clear to me. Herorev 08:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The opinion of a friend of mine who is fairly well-versed in Japanese and who has watched both the Japanese and English versions of the show is that the dub pronounciation is patterned after the Japanese pronounciation. Is the character's name spelled in Japanese the same way as the Greek word "eureka" would be spelled? It's possible that the katakana spelling is based on the Greek word, and because of that would not properly reflect how it should be pronounced in modern English. -- Asterphage 08:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got the katakana spelling from the article. Is that spelling taken from the source manga? I noticed that the only character who pronounces Eureka as an English word is Mathieu. --Tachikoma 23:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the official katakana spelling of the name of the character (the manga isn't the source material in this case, BTW, it's an adaptation), but the question is, is her name supposed to *be* the word? It seems like it, at least since Japanese Wikipedia spells the word that way in a couple of articles concerning Archimedes. So the dub should probably be pronouncing it like the word would be pronounced in English, since both the English and Japanese are both approximations of the Greek anyway. -- Asterphage 23:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: My best attempt for the English word "eureka" rendered in Japanese is ユリッカ (yurikka), but it is quite difficult render the English "eureka" into Japanese, because it is impossible to directly spell out the "ur" sound of eureka into Japanese.  However, in the Japanese wikipedia article for Archimedes' Principle, the spelling エウレカ is used to represent eureka, so there a very good possibility that an interpretation of the word eureka is used in Japan becuase it flows much easier than a direct translation (its kind of like the reason why english speakers pronounce karaoke keri-ō-ki, rather than the japanese ka-ra-o-ke). The word Eureka is coincidentally the translated romaji word for エウレカ.  The word eureka is broken down into e-u-re-ka, where "e" is エ, "u" is ウ, "re" is レ, and "ka" is カ, which might be another possiblity on how the Japanese pronunciation of eureka is derived from the English word eureka.DaIronchef 22:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like your conclusion is the same as mine, that the character's name is supposed to be the Greek word, or the Anglicized version thereof. It's important to remember that the original Greek word starts with a "heu" sound rather than the English "yu" sound. I'm killing that BS in the article. -- Asterphage 00:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: offtopic: Holy sh*t all of this over a single word. EAB 23:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, more like over a consonant in a single syllable. Dunno if it was worth the debate, but I think they're done. :) Magus Melchior 18:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: In the english version, when her name is said its sounds most to me like Eh-ooh-recka but much quicker. i often shout this at my friends as being the diffinitive pronunciation. lolJonathanLee98 04:00, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation of "r" in "Eureka" 

message: this section seems far to long for a wiki article.  I'll have to check on the guidelines, but I think it's encouraged to not have a full story write up like this.  The write up might be better suited for a sister wiki site. Ned Scott 23:14, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: awesome, I think this works out well.  --Ned Scott 00:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

text: "Eureka Seven: Plot Resume" changed to "Eureka Seven (Plot Resume)". Reason: To wikify it. Exukvera 22:42, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: We could probably start a seperate character page, or add spoiler-tagged sections for each of the characters (but that could probably make the page look weird =/ ). The information is pretty important, but I agree that it kinda looks weird when all these facts from later in the series are thrown in your face without much warning save for a spoiler tag at the top of the page. I'd like to aim for something more like a mini-bio and less like a fact sheet that says "so-and-so dies" two sentences in. melodiester 01:26, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd certainly like to fix this up, I felt the moral obligation to spoiler-tag the whole section after having three more unpleasant surprises >_< But I'm not up to date on even what's been fansubbed so far, so I'll get back to that section after I am. -- Asterphage 16:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the spoiler tag can be removed from the Character Section. I think all the spoilers have been rolled back by now... melodiester 01:29, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I killed "Just like Renton, Norbu also fell for a human-form coralian" and "studied Eureka after her discovery", the whole "LFOs are made of stuff we dug up" is pretty ubiquitous in the series, but the fact that Eureka came out of the coral is a big spoiler IMO. I also killed the spoiler tags and I'm seeing what I can think of to expand various characters' entries. -- Asterphage 06:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Now all the spoilers are reappearing. I'm going to put a spoiler tag up, but we should probably get that character page started if we don't want all the spoilers on here. If we don't make a character page, perhaps we could add a "spoiler" section for each bio? melodiester 03:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Err....there's no link to it. I mean, if the articles related to the show, shouldn't we link to it? I put it in the "See Also" section.EAB 00:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Story So Far 

message: Does anybody else think that the ship Gekko looks alot like a Klingon Bird of Prey?
TD 18:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: no -- Ned Scott 04:37, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: more like a bird in general. there are lots of bird-shaped spaceships in fiction. -- Asterphage 05:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Now that you point it out, I could definitely see the name having a secondary meaning. At least a couple of characters in the series seem to be named after real-life art colleagues/business associates of the production staff, so this double meaning is quite believable. Asterphage 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gekko 

message: It almost sounds as if "Gekko State" could have originated as a play on the name of the Frognation Ltd. record label. "Frog" becomes "Gecko" (spelled 'Gekko' in transliterated kana) and "Nation" changed to "State".  I admit this is wild speculation, but could the production section called 'Gekko State' as mentioned above have been named this way?Xindran 05:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you point it out, I could definitely see the name having a secondary meaning. At least a couple of characters in the series seem to be named after real-life art colleagues/business associates of the production staff, so this double meaning is quite believable. Asterphage 19:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gekko State 

message: What name should be used for the page for the Coral? I haven't heard/seen the word in English, only in Japanese, and Newtype has switched back and forth between names, so it'd be nice to know :) I think it'd also help make the page look a bit more uniform. 
And if someone else here has also finished the series, it would be a great help if more information were added. There were some things I didn't put in my edit because I'm not quite sure if I understand it yet, but rewatching should help. melodiester 20:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, they're going to be calling it 'scub' in the English dub. That's what Newtype USA has been calling it, at least. Tenks 17:46, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Newtype USA has a long history of inaccurate and unofficial romanizations of names. -- Asterphage 22:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The recently-aired Episode 33 refers it as "scub"...Well? SouthernStang93 06:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per below, the article is using "scub".  —TangentCube /c /t  06:59, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Scurve' was the first translation used in the fan subs. Midway through the series the subbing group switched to 'scab', citing in a title over the sponsor screen that 'scurve' was an error. The official English translation of the manga refers to it as 'scab'. An example can be found in volume 3, page 138.--Horatiopositronic 12:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then the parts of the article concerning the manga can use "Scab".  The anime still uses "Scub".  —TangentCube /c /t  15:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scab? Scub? Skurve? 

message: I've noticed that before running Eureka Seven, Adult Swim puts up the parental advisory box and then says that it may contain material not suitable for people younger than seventeen.  Most of AS's shows that the warning precedes use fourteen as the limit age, and having not seen the show, I was curious about what would prompt that level of age caution. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 04:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Later in the series, some battle scenes get really bloody as a focal point of the episode. One person blows up a body as a final retaliation before retreating, a severed arm is scene after a KLF is destroyed (in addition to there usually , things like that. Some parts of the series also get kind of deep with mature topics (for example, hinting at sex, or discussing the value of certain lives). The outward appeal of the series as being sort of sporty/mech-ish with the Reffing/Lifting and the LFOs can really be dwarfed by subjects not suitable for quite a few people under 17, but probably not most people over 14 or 15, I think. melodiester 19:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's more like AS losing their minds, because they just put a special disclaimer about the violence at the beginning of episode 26... THE LEAST VIOLENT EPISODE YET!! Sweetfreek 06:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To say nothing of getting our hopes up. I was hoping for something previously-unshowable ;3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.73.48.43 (talk • contribs).
I think these warnings are just staring to become a bit repetitious now. I could probably understand about the severed arm, the fate of Ray & Charles, and probably the antibody Coralian attack. But aside from that, much is still left to the imagination (Go figure out how arms get severed), dispite some scenes being immediatly obvious (Not much of your brain is needed to understand how a body is blown up, or how that one antibody Coralian with the tentacles killed that one guy in Episode 31). Hell, some of the episodes lately are on the same violence level as the pre-warning episodes. Just to take things outside of Eureka Seven for just a moment here, AS has only assigned one episode of GitS:SAC with a 17 warning (First season, Jungle Fever - For the depiction of human flaying), but dispite everything else (Including heads getting shot off), AS has only only seen one GitS:SAC episode as worthy enough for a violent warning. With Eureka Seven, they made a reasonable call with some episodes, but even non-violent shows still get the warning. AS just doesn't make any sense. I'm lost behind the logic of all this... SouthernStang93 23:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Content Warning

message: Heeroyuy135 and i have moved some of the sections in this article to their own articles because of complaints we have gotten about the spoilers on this article. We are doing our best to try to make this work by creating summarys on the main article so readers will get an idea of what the characters and other stuff are, but won't be spoiled. Please help us out if you can, or discuss any complaints you might have. dposse 02:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, sorry for the drastic page changes. Me and Dposse are working as hard as we can to improve the page, but I'll take the fault for not realizing that there is more to be done than just moving the pages and linking them back. Heeroyuy135 02:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: This is a work in progress. If you can do anything, then please help us out. We could really use it. dposse 16:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been trying to figure out some ways to decently explain the mystery surrounding the series' events rather than just sequentially giving away every surprise. Hopefully that would convey to future contributors that these things don't need to be given away.
Also, I moved the talk content related to the new articles onto those articles' talk pages. --Asterphage 19:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, can someone explain to me why they moved the sections I moved back into the main article? Please, if you are going to make major changes, please let me know.--Heeroyuy135 04:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: You don't think anyone who hasn't seen the series yet will read this article? That's absurd. --Asterphage 17:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving of Sections 

message: Woz and Jobs are pretty obvious references to the Apple founders; Jobs looks pretty much like Jobs, but Woz doesn't look like any picture of Wozniak I've ever seen.. anyway, apparently BONES uses Apple comps for their animation. Could be intentional homage, coulda been they just ran out of names (but since Woz is the computer geek in the show..)
:There seems to be a lot of references like this in the show(Gidget and Moondoggie are another example). Should a section be created for these? - Tenks 02:39, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget about the musical references, like "Ray and Charles". Exukvera 00:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, the prison where the Vodarek High Priest was scheduled to be executed in was called "Dabu Ghraib". Ketsugi 19:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Keep the references coming. I created a topic only for them. Exukvera 14:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Personally, I don't really see the Ray Gun design style in ray=out, but if you think the comparison is supported, add it. Asterphage 19:26, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names & References 

message: I was looking at some texts of Edgar Allan Poe and found one titled: Eureka: an essay on the material and spiritual universe. I haven't read it, but in the beginning there is the central idea of the text: In the Original Unity of the First Thing lies the Secondary Cause of All Things, with the Germ of their Inevitable Annihilation. It sounded very like Eureka 7 to me. But anyway, could it be really related to the anime?  The link for the text is: http://www.eapoe.org/works/editions/eurekac.htm
Washington Irving 01:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. dposse 00:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That might be nothing more than a coincidence, but then again, I haven't dug for evidence either way. Still, if Scab Coral got "Eureka" from the rocket, surely the organism got "Sakuya" from something named. Magus Melchior 02:10, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the Name "Eureka" 

message: Recently Johnny Yong Bosch said this on his band's website Eyeshine.net http://forum.eyeshine.net/viewtopic.php?t=3283&start=60 (No, I have no clue why he named himself that):
"If you stick with it, it gets better. 
In my personal opinion, I would love to redo the first few episodes. I was rushed in to redo the voice of Renton and had to do 13 episodes in just a few days. 
This was hard for me because I never got a chance to sink in, plus they replaced the last VA because the voice was too low. This was probably the hardest part. The director made me go higher and higher with the character that at times I felt that I was out of my range. I don't blame him or anyone else for it but I admit it was difficult for me to find an even ground until a few episodes in. 
I was never satisfied with the way the character sounded in the first few episodes but there was nothing I could do about it. 
That's my rant on it. I would love to redo the early eps though. But thanks for sticking with it, trust me it gets better and so do I. "
I would like to update the trivia I added earlier about Yuri Lownethal's replacement with Johnny Yong Bosch, but I want to know how to properly accredit is to someone doesn't delete it THINKING they're removing something that isn't true (I see no reason why Johnny Yong Bosch would be lying about this) with the new information that Yuri had recorded the first 13 episodes but was replaced wtih Johnny Yong Bosch due to the fact they felt Yuri's voice was too low for the character (the current information says it is currently unknown why he was replaced with Johnny Yong Bosch). I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, how should I go about making this edit? Or to be more specific, how do I cite this? -- Clovis15 20:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I footnoted this, by the way. --Asterphage 19:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuri Lowenthal's Replacement Explained By Johnny Yong Bosch 

message: i've heard rumors of a continuation of the series called "EUreka Seven: New Order". anyone heard of it? is it true? - 7/15/06
I think its gonna be called "Eureka Seven: The New Wave"  with the only character from the old Eureka Seven: Moondoggie24.58.144.102 01:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: New Wave is the second PS2 game. New Order seems to be just a rumor, but I guess we won't know until the final DVD comes out.--Tenks 18:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i know but the game might be based on the new eureka seven, i swear to god its called new wave i mean ive already seen its opening Yells at soup 21:42, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: oh wait it will probably be called the new orderYells at soup 03:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Order 

message: Wait...how do we know the rating for Ill Communication if it didn't air this week (Aug. 12th)? The episode airs next week (Aug. 19th). Heeroyuy135 06:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ill Communication" TV Rating 

message: Hi. I have not watched this series yet. It is good that the lead focuses on real-world issues such as how the series came into being, but the lead should also have some non-spoiler information about the story, such as maybe where it is set and what it's about. --GunnarRene 03:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "plot overview" section does, actually. —TangentCube -c -t 05:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's covered with a spoiler tag. I appreciate that since I don't want to get spoiled. I see that the article uses spoiler and spoilerend so that I can skip the sections I don't want to read. But something about the theme of the series should definately be in the lead as well, even if it's vague. See Wikipedia:Lead section: " overview of the main points the article will make, summarizing the primary reasons the subject matter is interesting or notable, and including a mention of its notable controversies, if there are any. The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article" --GunnarRene 05:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I think that is about as detailed as one need to get in a lead, leaving the rest of the details for the plot section. --TheFarix (Talk) 17:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I agree. :-) --GunnarRene 14:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something About the Story in the Lead? 

message: Since this information is duplicated at Characters of Eureka Seven (and makes more sense there), should the table in this article still be kept? —TangentCube /c /t  00:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If nobody has any objections, I'll remove the voice cast table in a couple days. —TangentCube /c /t  03:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What a coincidence - I just removed it. It doesn't need to be stated twice. -- Tenks 03:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: heh. —TangentCube /c /t  03:51, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A shame you had to remove it. I've been trying to avoid show spoilers, and moving to table to the Characters Page means I have to dive through the spoilers to find out who voiced which characters. Keeping a table on the main Eureka Seven page would be nice for those of us who want the info without diving into the spoilers. --RogueJedi86 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Cast Table 

message: After some investigation and thought, I've come to the conclusion that the typeR606, typeR808, and typeR909 LFOs may be named after the Roland TR-606, TR-808, and TR-909 drum machines respectively. After all, they wouldn't be the first items within the series to be named after real world equipment. Any thoughts as to the accuracy of this?
TwinDX 04:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's in the LFO article; as to the veracity of the claim, nobody really knows for a fact, aside from the creators, though the sheer number of seeming references in the series points to more than mere coincidence. Trivia sections need real citations, though... —TangentCube /c /t  05:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  606, 808, and 909 LFO Types 

message: :On rendering errors: sometimes, on the first load of the page, the borders don't show up correctly until the last sections of the table. Later refreshes may fix the rendering. It's working right now, so I can't get a screenshot; if it happens again, I'll post it to ImageShack or something.  This happens to me on several different Windows computers, using both IE and FF. —TangentCube /c /t  01:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a screenshot, taken upon the first visit to List of Planetes episodes.  The borders are not correctly rendered until the bottom of the screen. —TangentCube /c /t  02:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm... I've never encountered that problem before. — Tenks 02:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. I never really considered it a problem, since it didn't bug me that much. Magus Melchior 04:55, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rendering Errors 

message: Hey everybody I went on http://www.eureka-prj.net/ , clicked on comics, and found out the new series is called "Eureka seveN 2 Gravity Boys & Lifting Girl." While were on this topic are we going to make another page for the sequel or are we going to just fit it in with this?--Coolkid602006 02:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just a manga. I believe it's about Sumner Sturgeon and Ruri (from the video games) when they were kids, but I don't really know much about it. Besides, the main page could use some work before making any more seperate articles. — Tenks 03:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I've Found the Name of the Next Eureka seveN Series! 

message: This event seems important to the series, but I can't seem to find any information on it here (I skipped over the parts I haven't seen yet, if that matters).  I think it should probably be put in the major concepts section, unless there really is a lack of information on the topic.Tsochar 06:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In ep. 38 we find out that The First Summer of Love took place when Eureka and Adrock where testing the Amita Drive in the Nirvash typeZERO, then something happened and the The First Summer of Love happened. Adrock removed the Compac Drive with the Amita Drive to and said it was to protect his family, then when when it was over he was gone [to the Command Cluster]. In ep. 50 The Second Summer of Love is when Renton and Eureka kiss and it engraves a heart with Renton and Eureka's name in the moon. Strike Chaos 00:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Summer of Love