Talk:Station wagon

message: I think it's important to label the one title "Declining Popularity in North America". Over here in Europe, wagons are sold about as often as sedans, maybe they even sell better. So pardon me, but I'll change the heading again for that reason. Dan3k5 21:02, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Declining popularity

message: Thank you whoever added UK usage. But UK readers don't know what a "sedan car" is :( -- Tarquin 19:47 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
:I know, I know.... But I paled at the thought of a sentence that goes something like: "A station wagon (US, Australian and South African usage) or estate car (UK and European usage) is an ordinary sedan (UK and Australian usage) or saloon (UK usage) with an extended cargo area instead of the trunk (US usage) or boot (UK and Australian usage), and is similar to a utility or ute (Australian usage) or pickup truck (US usage) or some other term I don't know (UK usage) except that ..." And we haven't even got down to the para where the article discusses SUV's yet.
:(sob) Tannin 20:03 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
::Just to add to the confusion: while in Australia I learned that a panel van is a kind of station wagon, but without the extended side windows to the back. some have rear windows, others don't. I don't know the UK, US, SA, ... terms (if they exist). D.D. 20:16 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
::Not quite: it's taller than a station wagon and only has two doors. Tradesmen use them all the time (plumbers and electricians and so on) because they have lots of room but drive like a car. They all have rear windows, many, perhaps most, have side windows. There was a huge craze for panel vans in the '70s and '80s, because they were fairly cheap to buy, could be specified to have a factory fitted 5 litre V8, and you could then spend thousands and thousands of dollars getting a lurid air-brished paint job and an enormous sound system, put your surfboards on the roof rack and take it to the beach, where you could hang out trying to pick up girls and then get sand all through that black crush-pile velvet lining you had spent months fitting to the inside of the van. The people who did this to their panel vans are now the 40ish parents of the coming generation. Scary, isn't it.  Tannin 20:33 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
:Indeed, but thanks for the exact information :-) D.D. 20:36 Jan 11, 2003 (UTC)
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::This is admittedly some slippery terminology, and may vary from market to market.  In US terms, at least, I think there's more than one vehicle under discussion here.  
::It sounds to me like Tannin is talking about a cargo van, which indeed was often customized as described.  These bodies were just boxes, and although they sometimes had windows in the rear sides, usually didn't.  The Ford Econoline would be an example.  They came along in the 60s and are still around--much larger than the later minivans, though.
::Before that, there were some pickups built with similar bodies, called panel trucks.  They had the conventional pickup hood, but a van-like body, completely enclosed, behind that--think a Chevy Suburban with no windows in the rear.   Here's a picture of a '58 Ford.
::At the same time, 40s to 50s, several manufacturers offered versions of their standard car-based station wagons, but with sheet metal instead of windows on the rear sides.  I think this might have been what D.D.'s Australian friends were talking about.  These were usually called panel delivery models in the US.  They died out once vans came along, but were revived again in the 70s by Chevrolet and Ford, who both offered panel delivery models of their subcompact wagons.  Here, from the very late 70s, is a picture of the Ford Pinto version.
::Hope this helps more than it hurts.  RivGuySC 23:42, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Sedan car?

message: I performed a pretty radical overhaul on this article today.  I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes.  I included information on the "woody" wagon and clarified some sales trends based upon information from the Standard Catalogue of Cars (1945-1965) and Standard Catalogue of Cars (1966-1990). user: stude62 user talk:stude62 22:53, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A pretty radical overhaul 

message: I've hard the term avant used to mean station wagon, but I don't know enough about there term, who uses it for example, to add it to there article.
:It is the name Audi apply to their estate/station wagon models. AFAIK, "Avant" is not used in reference to estate cars in general, and no other manufacturer uses it. See Car body style#Alternative names. SamH|Talk 11:08, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just so it's noted here... several manufacturers have taken to inventing their own terms. Fiat sometimes use "Weekend" and Alfa (and others?) "Sportwagon". Volkswagen tried something particularly odd with the Polo when the main variant ("main" in some markets) was the estate, but not named as such, and the hatchback was the "Coupé" and the saloon the "Classic" (again, not in all markets). We might want to make mention of these quirks somewhere in the article, but very clearly as manufacturer's own terms, not general ones. (But see the discussion below about general terms.) – Kieran T (talk) 13:11, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avant? 

message: I attempted to do an overhaul today on the station wagon article.  While reading it in its porevious state, it simple had no logical flow, or continuity to it.  In addition to reoranizing it, I also beefed up the history of the vehicle, added more images and shifted other ones around.  I also replaced the leading image of the Saab wagon with an image of a 1972 Ford Country Squire for two simple reasons - production of the Country Squire far out paced the Saab, and that the Country Squire is an icon station wagon. Stude62 15:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 3-30-2006 

message: Not sure about this statement:
:Indeed, the absence of a station wagon in a model range is considered detrimental to its success by manufacturers in Australasia.
It's true that the wagon is the mainstay of the Ford Falcon and Holden Commodore ranges, but Mitsubishi and Toyota no longer offer large wagons. Smaller wagons are much rarer in Australia, if not New Zealand, than they are in Europe. The Mondeo was the only medium-sized wagon offered by Ford Australia since it dropped the Cortina, and that was axed before the sedan and hatchback. In fact, Holden's VE Commodore wagon won't be released until next year (if at all) and there are even question marks about a wagon version of the next Falcon. Quiensabe 23:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity in Aus, NZ and SA 

message: This was the term used by Holden from the introduction of the body style with the FE model in 1956 up to I think the HD, HR, or HK in the mid to late 1960s. Neither Ford Australia or any other company I know of in Australia used this term. American-based companies in Australia used "staion wagon" and British-based companies used "estate" in the beginning. Now only "station wagon" or just "wagon" is used. I'll try to do some better checking when I get back to Australia.
I did not know "station sedan" was used by any American companies until I did some Google searches. The easiest to find is the Packard Station Sedan, produced between 1948 and 1950. — Hippietrail 19:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the term "station sedan" 

message: The terms "Suburban" & "Suburban Carryall" began in the early 1920s, per Old Burb Club -- The History of the Suburban. "Suburban" was generic enuf that New York State, in (at least) the mid-1950s, assigned license plates bearing the word, to station wagons (perhaps taxing them differently?). The article already acknowledges the term, but makes it sound more marginal that i think is justified. Perhaps the article i cite above should be further mined. --Jerzy•t 11:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Suburban"  

message: Some pictures of the various styles of tailgates would be a good addition, especially the 'doorgates' GM and Ford used. Some of GM's doorgates were poorly designed, when used as a door they only opened about 45 degrees and when opened as a tailgate they didn't go down fully flat and level with the cargo floor. IIRC, all of Ford's doorgates opened 90 degrees in both modes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 22:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tailgates 

message: "The first station wagons were a product of the age of train travel."
That sounds as if that age was over; why am I then travelling by train all the time?
--84.115.129.76 (talk) 12:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The age of train travel 

message: In "Declining popularity", I removed this editorial bit because it really doesn't make any sense. Station wagons are no worse for CAFE scores than the sedans they are based on. Furthermore, wagons such as the Chevy Celebrity and Ford Taurus sold in great numbers well into the CAFE era. 71.134.255.232 (talk) 11:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Station Wagons vs CAFE 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In the US, "station wagon" has negative connotations just like "minivan".  It implies someone has a bunch of children. 24.51.217.35 (talk) 11:45, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative connotations 

message: How about all those french 'commerciale' cars of 1920s & 1930s like Citoën Traction, Peugeot 401, 402, 202, Renault Vivaquarte and many other, also Lancia Ardea Promiscuetta? Dieſelmaus (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early european models 

message: Hi . Could we please have a discussion about the name for this article before it gets moved? Personally I think "station wagon" is better suited, but I will keep an open mind to your reasoning. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:40, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to Wagon (automobile)