Talk:Irene Papas

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message: She has dementia. (217.42.104.187 (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have references for that? The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: There are multiple reports from the Greek media online. (217.42.104.187 (talk) 23:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find a good reference in English, and I'm not familiar with Wikipedia rules/guidelines for references in a language other than the entry's. But if you can list your best references (the ones used in her Greek Wikipedia page about her dementia, if it mentions that, are probably best) here, maybe someone more familiar with that aspect (or bolder than me) can add that info. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 18:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dementia 

message: : Some unreliable Albanian sources have claimed that Papas has Albanian descent. A popular Albanian newspaper claimed to have interviewed Papas, and claimed that she had said she "probably" had Albanian descent. There is no evidence either for the actual descent or for what she really said (or even that the interview actually occurred, I am afraid that newspapers of a certain sort make stories up in many countries including my own). It's all uncertainty piled on uncertainty; and having it repeated by an uncritical author in a book doesn't make it any better. Such material must not be (re)inserted into the article without solid proof. If a reliable scholarly source were to provide evidence that would be another matter, of course. Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , I thought that the original interview recorded by Costanzo Costantini was enough. If you think it's not good, I agree with the removal of that information. Cheers! – Βατο (talk) 00:41, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. I don't; having Papas wonder in an interview about what her ancestry may probably have been is not reliable evidence. She actually makes it clear that she does not know, so repeating it in print doesn't make it any better. However, since people keep on raking up the same vague and unsubstantiated assertions, it'll probably be best to put them in a footnote with the sources, such as they are, so that everyone can see that even Papas had no usable evidence for the claim. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Page protection has recently been lifted, and I'm sorry to see that the same trouble has immediately broken out again. I've requested renewed protection. Meanwhile, could User:Alltan, User:Khirurg, User:Ahmet Q. and any others involved or interested please note that a) there is no consensus to make a change here - quite the reverse, the change has repeatedly been reverted by different editors, so it is simple edit-warring against a rather clear consensus; b) there is no reliable evidence of Albanian descent; c) Papas's remark about her ancestry is NOT evidence either, as it seems to have been an exasperated joke about the Albanian press's claims. In the absence of actual proof, the matter is basically WP:TABLOID press fluff, i.e. unreliable gossip, and we should not be including it in any article. On the content of the article, could editors note that Status quo ante (phrase)Status quo ante should be observed until this is resolved amicably here on the talk page, i.e. the article text should stay as it is unless and until consensus is reached to change it. In particular, removing notices from the article and adding flaky "sources" is not and never has been acceptable conduct. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, and thank you for your input. I completely agree. Unfortunately, the article is a magnet for POV-pushing, given the nature of the subject, so it needs to be watched carefully and sourced to a high standard. Khirurg (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes. If there is any more trouble, do request extended page protection (which should be permanent): the page has already gone through multiple periods of protection, and every time it stops, the trouble restarts. Go figure. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Albanian claims

message: I removed some IP edits which were unsourced. Ahmet Q. (talk) 00:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  You were quite correct in doing so. The IP was certainly correct in his assertion of humour in Papas's statement; shame we can't source it at the moment. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP Edits 

message: Could you please add this obituary from the New York Times to the article :
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/obituaries/irene-papas-dead.html 194.69.14.132 (talk) 11:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Added. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 September 2022 

message: Not a Greek Communist. She was a liberal. 71.105.239.79 (talk) 03:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says so. Nothing, therefore, to do here. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2022 

message: This page mixes together (badly) in the filmography her  and the Australian Irini aka Irene Papas . The former was not in 1994's Melvin, Son of Alvin, the later was in that film which was in 1984. Since this comes partly from the Mikrofwno source (currently number 7) it brings into question the reliability of that source. Melvin was IP introduced 2015 . Source was published in 2018, did they get stuff (badly) from here or did they mess it up themselves, including Wong Boy for Wog Boy. Pinging User:Chiswick Chap who introduced it in 2018 . Melvin was IP introduced 2015 . duffbeerforme (talk) 08:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Melvin removed. The Mikrofwno source is not currently in the article, and nothing it may have supported relies upon it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:39, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong person