Talk:Tupac Shakur/Archive 3

message: Please provide a reliable source for the statement that "the South African government and the country's former president, Nelson Mandela" will attend the planned spreading of Tupac's ashes in Soweto, or else do not include it on the page.  If you read the reference (http://sohh.com/articles/article.php/9745) that is provided for that sentence, it mentions nothing about the South African government or Mandela.  I deleted the statement once, and user License2Kill added it back (with an extra mention of Mandela that was not there previously). I have now deleted it a second time.  Users need to read Wikipedia's policies on verifiability and and citing sources before adding anything to the article, or re-inserting deleted statements. Lionchow 10:38, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for statements on Tupac's ashes 

message: Cleaned up a lot more now.  Added a lot of info to the Legal Troubles section that I ran across while adding sources as well.  Here's my thoughts on what we need to do still.  Please let me know if you agree/disagree or whatever:
*I think we still need to add a LOT of sources for some of this material (particularly in the Theories of the Crime sub-section).  I added some sources for some of the material in other sections.  
*Does anyone know how to add "fair use rationales" for the images?  If someone could go ahead and do that... that'd be great...
*Audio:  can anyone point out what the policies are concerning audio?  Can audio be added (MP3 snippets, for instance)?  If so, what are the restrictions and policies?
Can someone with more Wiki experience provide some feedback and let us all know if we're close to the point of re-submitting Pac for featured article status consideration?  Thanks.SqlPac 04:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up some 

message: Added image-side fair use statements to all images in the article.  The following text needs to be added (if not already) to each image on the article page:

For Fair Use Rationale I used this wording:
"This image, IMAGENAME.jpg, is being linked here; though the picture is subject to copyright I (SqlPac) feel it is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because: 
# it in no way infringes or assists in the illegal reproduction or distribution of the content of said CD/album; 
# it does not limit the copyright owner's rights to sell the CD/album in any way; 
# the image is of small size and inferior quality/resolution, so that attempts to make illegal print copies of the album artwork would be useless;
# the image is being used strictly for informational and/or educational purposes;
# it furthers the goals of providing verifiable information concerning the subject matter, in that it visibly demonstrates content which is referenced explicitly or implicitly within the text of the article itself."
Now we just need to get the article-side fair use tags in place, finish adding sources, maybe add some audio, and we should be good to go. 
Let's get this baby done! SqlPac.
:Follow-up - I added fair use tags for every image in the article.  Now we just need more sources and some audio.SqlPac 00:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a boatload of sources to the article now.  Y'all can hook up the audio and the remaining sources.SqlPac 01:39, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use 

message: Disclaimer: IANAL, this is not legal advice.
You can use up to 10%, or up to 30 seconds, whichever is shorter. This is a guideline, not law.
Guidelines for Educational Uses of Music and Fair Use Guidelines For Educational Multimedia states "Up to 10%, but in no event more than 30 seconds", for educational purposes. UMUC also concurs, and provides fair use restrictions for other types media.
Of course, Wikipedia is not an "educational institution" by law. But according to Fair Use of Copyrighted Materials, Wikipedia could qualify for fair use under character (nonprofit) and nature (factual, published).
-- Znode 20:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tupak Shakur audio uploads 

message: tupac is one of the geats rapper that very live,he will stay the gearter rapper
:elegant. --andrew 01:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i wouldn't have signed it either.SqlPac 03:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tupac 

message: In the intro: "His music features extensive use of metaphor and shows a high degree of lyrical structure."  Is it just me, or does it not fit?  It seems like it doesn't really mean anything in particular, but I just want to make sure I haven't been staring at it too long.  Maybe mentioning his thug lifestyle in the intro would be a better lead-in to the article?  Maybe I'm just tired?  SqlPac 03:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Sentence 

message: Made changes, including eliminating the gallery of album covers and other images within the article, per the Featured Article Candidate reviewer recommendations.  Also combined paragraphs to make them longer per the reviewer comments.SqlPac 17:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fac changes 

message: Documentary section needs to be merged into a respective section. There is no point to this section since its always going to be short and makes the page unbalanced which Im sure on nomination will be brought up. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 01:30, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually as of yesterday no one brought that up.  Someone on here will either fix it, or they won't.  At this point, I'm tired of dealing with it.  SqlPac 20:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary 

message: His acting career is barely mentioned. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 02:09, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That and a bunch of other stuff that everyone keeps griping about, but nøbødy seems to be interested in fixing, right? SqlPac 20:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acting Career 

message: Under the circumstances I decided to withdraw my nomination of this article as a Featured Article Candidate.  If someone else is interested in pursuing it, feel free to look at the reviewer feedback and make whatever changes you see fit.  Best of luck!  Outta here...  SqlPac 20:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC nomination Withdrawn 

message: I added stuff that needs citations, but I do not understand how to add them. Can someone explain it to me.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by License2Kill (talk • contribs) .
Anybody? License2Kill 20:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: is there any proof he has sold 73million Bobo6balde66 19:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: eminem is the second-highest sales of any rapper, however, and as he is still alive and able to record new work, he will very probably surpass Tupac's sales at some point. KillerChihuahua?!? 18:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Eminem_discography if this is true, Eminem passed 20 million barrier just with one album. With respect, Deliogul 21:38, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album Sales! 

message: Hi guys, I think, we should remove all new changes in dates, number of awards, position in charts, if these changes without references. I found few times contradictory information on this page compare with internet sources. So very hard to keep track of new changes. And new changes can be hardly discovered vandalizm. Your opinion?  --MoonGod 17:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the puppy concurs - and I have noticed you reverting vandalism and correcting content on this article, it is much appreciated. KillerChihuahua?!? 18:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Album sales, charts, awords etc 

message: Artist is too vague. Read the Artist article lately? Nothing but a set of links and "art is whatever someone says it is" nonsense.
He should be listed as a Rapper (because he was), Poet (because rap is Rhythmic Accompanied Poetry as grew from the Beat Poet influence in Harlem) and Actor because he was. Blainetologist 17:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was a published poet, and is not in American poets category. I will correct that. He is already in the American rapper category. He is not in the artist category or any sub-category. KillerChihuahua?!? 17:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: The phrase at the front of the article should read "was an American rapper, poet and actor." Blainetologist 18:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The intro is the result of much work and discussion by many editors. I disagree that a change is needed or desirable: Shakur had talents in multiple areas, including song, dance, poetry, acting. Artist is appropriate. Rapper is linked in the last sentence of the first paragraph. KillerChihuahua?!? 18:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro

message: Is there any mention of material in FBI record on Tupac and his being an object of extortion by JDL. File is very interesting and is available in the FBI electronic reading room of the website under the link researchers.
Mizpac 10:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fbi declassifed record 

message: The Filmograhphy section needs to be placed in a Wikitable (see Nas filmography for an example)Chubdub 16:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography section 

message: Sorry if this was already disccused, but I couldn't find it anywhere.
Why is this article titled "Tupac Shakur" instead of "2Pac"? Musicans on wikipedia typically go by there stage name (The Notorious B.I.G., Jay-Z, Nas, 50 Cent etc.) and I don't see why this would be an exception. --Ted87 18:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I came here to ask this same question. You don't see Eazy-E under "Eric Wright." Eminem doesn't redirect to "Marshall Mathers III." This article should be "2Pac," and Tupac Shakur should redirect to it.--Josh 09:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, but 2pac is so close to Tupac we might as well keep it at that, and add his surname for good measure.  Maybe if Tupac was still relasing albums under the name 2pac, the article would be named accordingly.  Biggie never released anything under "Christopher Wallace", nor was The Massacre released by "Curtis Jackson", suggesting that those aliases are more permanent. Phoenix2 22:38, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia articles need consistency though, and this may not be one of those times to brake that. Albums like "Loyal to the Game" are still being released under the name "2 Pac" and therfore his name should be credited as that. The fact that he is dead doesn't change anything because Eazy-E's article isn't titled "Eric Wright" and he isn't releasing any albums. Yet Notorious B.I.G. is dead and his last 2 albums (technically 3) were released under his stage name when he was dead and his article is titled as such. --Ted87 00:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I was trying to refer to was the similarity between the words "2pac" and "Tupac", making the change less subtle.  There is quite the difference between "Eric" and "Eazy-E". Phoenix2 01:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well look at Cam'ron's or André 3000's article. His real name is "Cameron" yet is article is still named "Cam'ron" and André 3000 first name is André. Anyways, I'm going to nominate is to be moved, so other people can give there opinion. Plus the article doesn't mention that he went by "2Pac" or even that it was his stage name. --Ted87 17:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: He was the best rapper that ever came out, no one can ever compare to him.  He was very intelligent and every word of his touched you. The song pain and shorty wanna be a thug and dear mama to me was his best hits. 
Brittany Crawford
This is not a place to discuss him. If you want to do that go to a forum such as Makaveli.com./forums.
This is a section to help contribute to the article. License2Kill 00:21, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning on against. —Nightstallion (?) 13:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The best rapper of all time!!! 

message: *Move - Read my rationale here. Basically there is no reason to diverte from Wikipedia's manual of style. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ted87 (talk • contribs) at 01:06, on 31 May 2006  (UTC)
*Move - "2Pac" was the (stage) name he went by. Continues to be called this on his albums. Mad$ 20:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what? Snoop Dogg's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Cordozar Calvin Broadus, Junior. Eminem's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Marshall Bruce Mathers III. Eazy-E's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Eric Wright. The Notorious B.I.G.'s page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Christoper Wallace. 50 Cent's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Curtis Jackson. The Game's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Jayceon Terell Taylor. Jay-Z's page is not all about his music, and it's not titled Jason Shawn Corey Carter. This page should follow with the naming practices of the rest of Wikipedia.--Josh 03:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ice Cube is alive. Phoenix2 19:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What diffrence does being alive make? --Ted87 22:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think one of the vibes here is that since Tupac's death, people are starting to look at the impact his music has had on us, since he is no longer making it.  Because of his impact on the community as a human being and not solely as a rap artist, this article should remain entitled Tupac Shakur. Phoenix2 23:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article should at least mention that his stage name was/is 2Pac in the introduction paragraph. The only time it is found in the article is in the album titles. --Ted87 17:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, you can edit that in as many times you like, as no one is opposing to its additon.  You can even have Tupac Shakur, stage name 2pac, or something along those lines. Phoenix2 19:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: True.  Is that an argument in support of this page move? Phoenix2 20:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Which is what's happening, so everyone's happy. Phoenix2 04:14, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: There is just one omission on this page that confuses me, and that is he influenced so many other other rappers, including the second-best selling Eminem, yet that's not mentioned in the article...Why is that? Aspern 13:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point, we don't have an Infuences section nor an Artists influenced section. We'll need cites - I tried finding Influences a while back and came up empty, can anyone locate anything? KillerChihuahua?!? 13:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: We need cites, though - do you know of any? KillerChihuahua?!? 22:20, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something missing 

message: I don't know all the facts, but I was under the impression that Afeni Shakur sued Suge Knight/Death Row Records and now holds all the rights to her son's unreleased recordings. So whereas "Better Days" and "Loyal to the Game" carry new material and were released under the Interscope/Amaru label, "Nu-Mixx Klazzics", "2pac Live", and "Live at the House of Blues" were produced by Suge Knight and Death Row/Koch Records.
I guess I'm wondering if we should really include Suge Knight's albums in the discography section because they were never officially released or endorsed by Tupac's label.
I say take them out because they weren't official albums with new songs on them. License2Kill 19:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography clarification 

message: So there is often debate as to whether there was actually an east-west coast feud in the first place. I would like to see sources cited for that statement in the opening paragraphs.67.41.97.182 13:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feud 

message: I know that these comments should be placed under their relevant articles but there are so many and so minor and hardly expandable that I was thinking they should be merged into one bigger article Makaveli branded products or some like this or even here, which could contain Non-Stop Productions, 24/7 Productions, Euphanasia, Makaveli Records and maybe it should have Makaveli Branded as its major part since it is the only existing company of "his" (as legal successor Afeni Shakur's interest), widely distributed in the US, has official sites and supported by famous entertainers participating in the National Tribute Campaighn for Tupac Shakur. So what do you think? Lajbi Holla @ meWho's the boss? 14:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible merge of 2Pac-related companies 

message: 2pac's Mother and father were part of the black panthers according to napster.His mother was a collage professeur.nyyn
I reverted Licence2Kill edits to Tupac's early life. I read that Tupac wasn't very popular in school until he was in the Baltimore School for the Arts while his edit says that he was popular in school before that. Please WP:CITE. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 02:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LAbyrinth also stated he was happy and well-liked in Baltimore. I have returned the book to the library, do I still need to find the cite? I have no idea of the page number. Also, Jaranda, where did you read he was not popular? KillerChihuahua?!? 23:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tupac Early life 

message: I suggest that this article should be nominated for Wikipedia:Stable versions now. This article declined a bit since it's FAC, and is still being edited alot. Any thoughts? Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You want to stabilize it now that it's declined?  And if it's still being edited a lot, is it stable? JDoorjam     Talk 23:41, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stable Notice

message: Hello!
What does "Posthumously created" mean? Has 2Pac indeed recorded all this material before his death? --CutterX 13:54, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Its hard to record songs after death, as I'm sure you'll realize with a little reflection. KillerChihuahua?!? 13:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Try "posthumously assembled" or released or something to that affect. — ?? | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 17:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Which means Seven Day Theories is not "Posthumously assembled", since it was done before he died, am I correct? --Dooly00000 18:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Posthumously created albums 

message: 2pac was born Lesane Parish Crooks. I think his birth name should be included. ( He was later renamed Tupac Amaru after the great Inca chief ).
:See the article:
:His last name Shakur comes from the Arabic word thankful (to God). It has been rumored that Shakur's birth name was Lesane Parish Crooks[3], but this has been proven false.
:?? | (Yom) | Talk • contribs • Ethiopia 17:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Find a verifiable source, which has yet to happen, and we will include this. Currently, it is Urban legend. Further, his birth certificate and his official biography, written under his mother's oversight, does not mention Lesane Parish Crooks. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add 2pac's birth name

message: I removed a section with heavy and unsupported POV:
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He is consistently ranked by fans, critics and industry insiders as the greatest rapper ever.Vibe.com, Tupac Shakur's Legacy Continues 
--
The referenced article doesn't make any such claim such as this. This is not a 2pac fan site.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jgw (talk • contribs) 19:24, 17 July 2006  (UTC)
On the contrary, this is strongly supported in the Awards section. The additional reference was intended to try to stop the near-constant removal of the assertion by those, like you, who did not bother to read the article entirely and/or did not bother to read the talk page and most certainly did not bring this up on talk prior to removing it. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll go with either. It seems to me that "one of" modifying the statement might end the edit warring over this, and its certainly accurate, but let's see how your comment affects things first. Then if its still an issue, we could try the modifier, ok? KillerChihuahua?!? 18:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Section 

message: To me this article is perfect, how do we nominate it as a Featured Article? License2Kill 17:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured 

message: For artists with lenghty discogrraphy, I support the separate discography page system. In this way, the page doesn't look WAY TOO crowded. AQu01rius 21:19, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate discography page 

message: The following links were recently added:
* Official Myspace of Tupac Shakur 
* Tupac Shakur's Official Clothing Line 
* Official Myspace of Makaveli Branded 
* Official Site of the 2Pac Legacy Tour 
* Official Site of Tupac: Resurrection
* Strictly Ballin Fansite 
* Tupac Nation Fansite 
* Thug Life Army Fansite 
* 2Pac Online Fansite 
* Tupac HQ Fansite 
* Thugz Network Fansite 
* Tupac Fans Fansite 
* Tupac Online Fansite  
* 2Pac Planet Fansite 
These are 8 Fan sites, one commercial clothing site, two MySpace sites, and the Tupac: Resurrection site, and we have an article on Tupac: Resurrection which is where that link is appropriate. If you think any of these are worthy of inclusion, please explain below. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the Legacy Tour, which currently is a website, a MySpace site, one press release issued by the Tour, and zero further information. KillerChihuahua?!? 19:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: MySpace is inherently not official. KillerChihuahua?!? 20:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lots O Links

message: Legally Alive—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ponlork (talk • contribs) 13:44, 22 July 2006  (UTC)
:No, Tupac is dead. This is a Geocities site with some bullshit "detective work" by amateurs who say that since they cannot find his death certificate, he is alive.Also just because the can't find his death certificate doesn't mean he is dead64.75.76.22 15:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tupac is Alive According to a Geocities Page

message: I found that Wiki has an entry for Makaveli & Dillinger Don't Go 2 Sleep, while I was looking for the same album on the net. Album (not mixtape or remix album) by the two in the title. Anyone cares visiting? I read in the April, 2005 issue XXL interview with Daz that he claims owning the most unreleased material by 2Pac. Shouldn't we include this one somewhere in the article? Worth to discuss. Lajbi Holla @ meWho's the boss? 13:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Underground" or [[Daz Dillinger]] can release officially? 

message: This is to Killer Chihuaha but anyone can obviously put their 2 cents in: 
I think the controversy of the sexual abuse case needs to be included. 
Watch this for more info
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm8ehMfdKGk&search=Tupac%20-%20Thug%20Angel%20-%20Life%20Of%20An%20Outlaw
The judge found him guilty on that charge not because he believed he was guilty, but because of the escalating problems as his career progressed. Haitain Jack is proved to be a snitch by Tupac's attorney. And the speach Tupac gave to the judge. License2Kill 18:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexual Abuse Case Controversy

message: I think some more focus should be given to the "Tupac is alive" theory. I mean, obviously all of us with intelligence know that it's complete bull, but I still don't think it gets enough discription. Maybe, if you are skeptical of making it seem like a ligitiment possibility, you can phrase it so it seems like your informing on the claims to the theory rather then the theory itself; stuff like, instead of saying "[according to the theory], Tupak faked his own death for blah blah",you could say "Believers of the theory claim Tupak faked  his own death for blah blah". Obviously, it doesn't warrant a long paragraph or something, but if it could be expanded to recieve the same discription as the other theories offered in that section. The way I see it, even the idiotic should be reported on: if that tripe Loose Change can get a page, surely this can get one or two more sentances? Lettuceclock: --Lettuceclock 20:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could not disagree more strongly. Don't give this idiocy any more space than absolutely necessary; if that is no space, give it no space. There is no reason for Wikipedia to do more than state that there are those who believe he is alive, and that is false; doing that much may be more than appropriate. KillerChihuahua?!? 15:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but can there at least be a reference to a website with a list of all the conspiracy theories. Some of them are preety convincing (Exact time of death to the minute in one of his songs, the anagram of one of his albums, that stuff was freaky) 203.161.90.126 03:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of whether it is a legit theory or not, it still deserves some mention because of how prominent it is. Regradless, I don't think more then a mention of it is neccessary. Seven Day Theory covers it well enough. --Ted87 17:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tupac alive theories 

message: I have reverted the additions of Kevy2004 because they numbers he put are wrong. License2Kill 18:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted Kevy2004's Additions 

message: The opening paragraph says "He has had 17 top ten singles in the United States" however there are only 4 in the discography section of the article. Since there is no source for the statement I think it should be removed unless we can find the other singles. --Ted87 01:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Top 10 Hits 

message: since when does tupac have a daughter? i removed it, its incorrect. --andrew leahey 06:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  daughter 

message: Hmmm.  Last time I was here the Featured-Article folks and other Wikipedia reviewers and editors required us to *REMOVE* 99.9% of the images from the article, including almost *ALL* album cover images even though we spent all that time properly sourcing and "FAIR USING" all of them.  Now someone's put them all back in.  Just wondering what's different now?  Were all those Featured-Article folks, reviewers and editors basically WRONG?  Or have they all changed their minds (all of the dozens of them) recently?  Either way, it could have saved someone a lot of work either way...  The amount of time wasted re-adding in previously removed stuff must be staggering.
It should be merged somewhere the album covers and discography to it's own subpage, but I agree this article has declined bad in quality. Jaranda wat's sup 02:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this page and his discography is huge. While some artists have there discography on the same page, artists who have had a lot done like, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, and others have seperate pages. --Ted87 19:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watch out, the circle's coming around again 

message: Pardon my ignorance, but if "The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" was released on November 5, 1996, doesn't that make it a posthumous release, as he died on September 13th 1996?
No, it was finished before his death. License2Kill 22:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it use to say "Posthumously created studio albums". --Ted87 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory