Talk:King's Norton and Northfield Urban District

message: According to the Vision of Britain entry for King's Norton and Northfield the Urban District was not abolished until 1912.  The source for this, like much of the information on that site, is Frederic A. Youngs' Guide to the Local Administrative Units of England, Volume II: Northern England, Royal Historical Society Guides and Handbooks No. 17 (Royal Historical Society, London, 1991), p. 763.
However the website does not seem to include Youngs' reference to his endnote against the 1912 date, which is on p. 907 (endnote No. 51), and which says, with regard to the Local Government Board's Provisional Order (1910) Confirmation (No. 13) Act 1911 which was his source, that "Some changes effective 9 Nov 1911 and others 1 Apr 1912".  Though what is not evident from this note is which changes were effected in 1911, and which did not become effective until 1912.  I have a copy of the Act in question, and on p. 14 it clearly states the following:
            This Order shall except so far as is otherwise herein
 expressly provided and so far as there may be anything in the subject
 matter or context inconsistent therewith come into operation on the
 Ninth day of November One thousand nine hundred and eleven.
As far as I have personally been able to determine from reading through the Act (all 74 pages of it), the exceptions to the 1911 date would appear to be partly in relation to financial matters, in reference to the "Local Taxation (Customs and Excise) Act 1890" and the Finance Acts of 1907, 1908 and 1910, in connection with the defraying of all "debts and liabilities" (p. 31), and where on p. 15 it says:
                                             the added areas
 shall be deemed to continue part of the respective administrative
 counties of which they now form part until after the Thirty-first day
 of March One thousand nine hundred and twelve.
Another exception to the 1911 date seems to deal with the Poor Law Unions and the provisions of poor relief, and on p. 49 of the Act it has:
       From and after the Thirty-first day of March One
 thousand nine hundred and twelve – 
 (1) The Aston Union and the King's Norton Union shall be
      dissolved.
The final exception relates to the administration of the civil parishes of Beoley and Wythall, and on p. 48 has the following:
   The parishes of Beoley and Wythall shall until the Thirty-first
 day of March One thousand nine hundred and twelve constitute a
 separate rural district the affairs of which shall until that date be
 temporarily administered by the Rural District Council of Bromsgrove.
This last point is addressed by Youngs, where on p. 764 he lists a "Separate RD (administered by Bromsgrove RD Council) (1911-1912)" covering, as he puts it, "Beoley, Kings Norton, Northfield".  The references to "Kings Norton" and "Northfield" here, however, must only be to those parts of the District not incorporated into Birmingham.
As far as I can personally see the Urban District of King's Norton and Northfield was abolished by the Local Government Board's Provisional Order (1910) Confirmation (No. 13) Act 1911 on the 9 November 1911, but that for financial matters its whole area continued to be regarded as part of Worcestershire until 31 March 1912.  Further that its area continued to be part of the King's Norton Poor Law Union, until that was abolished on 31 March 1912, and that from 9 November 1911 until 31 March 1912 the civil parishes of Beoley and Wythall, which had formerly been part of the District, formed a separate unnamed rural district (in effect this was the 'Beoley and Wythall Rural District').  Whilst these various exceptions mean that it was only from 1 April 1912 that all the provisions of the Act were fully in force, there would appear to be nothing in the Act itself to suggest that the King's Norton and Northfield Urban District existed beyond the 9 November 1911.
(Lepidus Magnus (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of abolition: 1911 or 1912? 

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