Talk:Thomas & Friends series 10/Archive 1

message: I think this article ought to be temporarily blocked... leave it as it is for now, for goodness sake - because it's just edited to suit others opinions... no one knows what engines are returning... and judging by the state of the program these days by reemoving essential steam team characters such as Duck, Donlad, Douglas and Oliver and replacing them with boring, politically correct rubbish such as Emily, Arthur, Molly, Neville, and Murdoch - who knows who could be next for the chop? Thomas the Tank Engine is - quite possibly the only character that we know for certain will return... please stop including Sir. Handel, Duck, Douglas etc. in the lineup as the sources aren't particularly genuine.
-- Ideally, the Steam Team and the Fat Controller will be the only ones appearing. Nobody should be posting anything else until it's close to Season 10 airing - whether you read it on a forum or got an e-mail from HiT: Don't post it, as it could be a bundle of lies. Also, don't post things that you've just made up, because it's violation of Wikipedia rules.
- Can people please, please, please stop putting up fake episode lists? It's not even a case of misinformation, the episode titles are so blatantly false. It just wastes your time and everyone else's.
:The "Steam Team", initiated in Season 8, consists of Thomas, Edward, Henry, Gordon, James, Percy, Toby and Emily. They have been the focus of stories in Seasons 8 and 9, and this focus is likely to continue. Also, the Fat Controller is the guy who runs the railway, and has been a dominant character since Season 1, so he is also likely to appear.
:No other characters can be considered likely to appear, and therefore are only rumoured. I've seen edits of this page which more or less list every single character (including insignificant ones) as either likely or rumoured to appear. This simply cannot be the case.
:Rumoured characters are already addressed within a paragraph. As such, I feel the "character list" should be as follows:
Confirmed
*Thomas
Likely
*Edward
*Henry
*Gordon
*James
*Percy
*Toby
*Emily
*The Fat Controller
Gonzerelli 09:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is beyond a joke now! 

message: I think this article should be deleted until the new series actually comes out. It's pointless. It contains no useful information whatsoever and, thanks to speculative and blatantly false additions, is counterproductive.
:That's pretty much what should happen. Wikipedia should not contain speculation, rumors and best guesses. It should only contain sourced, verifiable information. I have removed the speculative information from the article and there's virtually nothing left. Its probably not worth deleting as it will get recreated later, but further rumors should not be added. Gwernol 23:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Delete?

message: I'm letting this article rot away until something concrete comes forward, at which time I'll come back and re-vamp it. I have better things to do with my time than deal with a tedious article that is clutching onto any shred of innuendo it can and running miles with it.
I've removed the WikiProject Thomas tag - again, this will be replaced when concrete information is available, and the page has been revamped as a result. Until then, this page is not fit for WikiProject Thomas.
I fully support any admin who wishes to protect, block or delete this article in the meantime.
Gonzerelli 11:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I give up

message: I have semi-protected this page. This means that anonymous and new users cannot edit it. This is because of continued addition of unsourced rumors, speculation and meta-comment. Once further verifiable information is available I'll happily unprotect it and allow that information to be added. If you cannot edit the page and find additional information that you believe should be included, feel free to add it to this talk page. Gwernol 03:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think that some mention should remain of the new Jack and the Pack video release - for there is new info released with it - it may not be directly 'Season 10' - but if there is a page featuring video releases (Im largely unfamiliar with the exact pages on TTTE) then it would be more appropriate. A Notes/Trivia section should be included to show rumours of characters returning etc and that they haven't been confirmed or denied by hit officials (now that no anonymous users can besmirch the page, there's no risk of people adding nonsense), and explain the characters likely to put in an appearance  - basically what I added before - but you erased Gwernol when you blocked the page calling it: speculation and rumour which is fair enough - but at least it gives readers something interesting to read, and wasn't at all made up on the spot or nonsense... I'll be happy to help you edit the page Foxearth 06:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry but speculation and rumor do not have a place on Wikipedia. One of the founding pillars of this project is that all information here must be verifiable which rumors by definition are not. The Jack and the Pack video release has no connection that I can see with Season 10, so is inappropriate content for this article. I'm not sure where the appropriate place would be. Adding a notes/trivia section with rumors would also be inappropriate as I outlined above. The point of Wikipedia is not to give readers "something interetsing to read" but rather to report the verifiable facts, it is trying to be an encyclopedia, after all. Hopefully the official details of Season 10 will arrive soon and can be added then. Sorry, Gwernol 22:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protected 

message: The First Video, On Site with Thomas, will feature the Pack again, and a new engine, Patrick, who thinks he is the most important engine on the Island. There is also info that there will be a new Pack member called Monty. He may be the mstery character in 'Kelly's Windy Day':
http://www.anchorbayentertainment.com/index.asp?p=CatalogDetail&SKU=DV14744&PriCatID=1
:The problem is, there's no evidence the episodes noted in this video are part of Season 10. They may be, but we don't know. Therefore claiming information from this site is about Season 10 is simply wrong. Gwernol 22:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, I've seen no reliable sources for a character called Monty. Nor any reliable sources to show that the "On Site with Thomas" DVD contains episodes of Season 10. None of it can be used in the article as it stands. Now, as we get closer to the season launch we may learn more that will allow some of this to be added, but until we have verifiable sources we can't add what amounts to rumors to the article. Gwernol 12:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That may be a straight-to-video release of epiodes that are not in any season. Lots of companies do this to increase revenues. Where is Patrick confirmed? Gwernol 22:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Video plus Two other characters 

message: Hello, would it be worth creating a new sub-section in the article, containing miscellanious bits of speculation (the connections to the Jack and the Pack release, fabled returns of characters, etc.) It's just a thought, I can understand if it may seem a little unneccessary... Foxearth
:Simply put, no. Wiki is not a crystal ball, and all this speculation is not encylopedic. All that section would add is more useless edits. Unnecessary addition. Thehalford 13:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Thehalford. Information in articles must be verifiable. This is one of the five core policies of Wikipedia. By definition, speculation and rumor are not verifiable. Therefore they cannot be included in this or any other article. Sorry, Gwernol 13:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation

message: All over I've heard about a Buster the Steamroller in a Target preview. We must asume that Buster is Season 10. And On Site with Thomas has everything the same as Season 9 and 8, so that must meen it's Season 10! (On site with Thomas)
:Please provide reliable sources to back this up. "I've heard" and "we must assume" are never good enough reasons to include information on any Wikipedia article. Please read the verifiability policy. Thanks, Gwernol 22:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buster the Steamroller 

message: I tried to put this in the HIT Entertainment discussion page, but no one has gone there so I decided to try and put this in Thomas and Friends (since it is HIT Material). 
It appears that HIT now has a new logo; instead of the word HIT in big blue letters (the logo on HIT's wikipedia page), the logo has been changed to a picture of a red toybox showing 3 out of 4 sides, with the letters H, I, and T on the three sides. According to HIT's website, the box contains HIT's "toys" (shows), such as Barney, Thomas and Friends, and Bob the Builder. Could we please put this one up? The old logo has been out of date for almost a month now.Ohyeh 13:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Logo 

message: Here are some more summaries: http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?erube_fh=wttw&wttw.submit.EpisodeDetail=1&wttw.EpisodeID=141078&wttw.Channel=WTTW There are more on the links below this.  These pages confirm Emily & Diesel.Rusty5 15:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Even more new storylines! 

message: Have anymore episodes aired anywhere else across the states yet? Foxearth (logged off)
:There are a couple called Percy and the Carnival and Thomas and the Jet Plane that have aired on Treehouse. Also, I just wanted to bring to someone's attention that the seasons and the dates they aired in have been switched around (with Season 7 being in 2004 instead of Season 8, Season 8 being broadcast in 2005, and so on and soforth). I do believe this is vandalism.209.226.138.182 14:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anymore episodes? 

message: Could someone who has seen the latest episodes: "It's Good to be Gordon" and "Seeing the Sights" please help out to try and fill in the gaps with relevant information regarding these episodes, as I have only used information that I've obtained from the Sodor Forums website, and not seen the episodes myself. Foxearth 03:19, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be seeing the package containing these two this Sunday. I normally rewrite summaries in my own words after I see them for myself. Just leave it to me, Foxearth. ;) Rusty5 11:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Thanks R5 :) Gonzerelli 18:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Help with latest episodes