Talk:FreeSpace 2

message: I will be deleting a lot of the plot points with respect to WP:NOT#GUIDE and WP:NOT#INFO. Cheers. Ong elvin 12:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh, that's fine, really. We'll even go as far as to help you maintain that. -- Altiris Exeunt 13:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe you took a bit too much out, to me you wrote more a prelude to the main plot by leading the reader into the 2nd Shivan war, but not explaining what happens during it. It does not mention the plot resolution. Unless you have any objections, I will go about lengthening it slightly tomorrow.Darkcraft 13:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I normally kill the plot resolution when it comes to shortening a plot synopsis. My reasoning is that you can tell how the story ends (ie, happy ending), although how the story progresses to that point is the fun part. But sure, if you want to expand a bit, go ahead. As long as the length isn't monstrous, I won't bite. (Way too many high profile games dedicate pages of text to every last plot and subplot and character bios etc.) Ong elvin 03:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree.  Revealing the setup, major conflicts, and ending in a plot synopsis is fine, but as you say, an encyclopedia shouldn't include every single plot point, character action, etc.  It just weighs down the reading, and doesn't constitute a synopsis. Xihr 04:01, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot information

message: FreeSpace 2 is no doubt a great game, but the current article is more of a "FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project" page than one talking about the award winning (though market failing) game. I am going to re-write the article to talk about FreeSpace 2 in the standard game article format in the Wiki. The first draft to this space will likely be up in the next few days.
* Lead
* Gameplay
** Summary on how to control the starfighter, mission structure, control and starfighter customization.
* Plot and setting
** FreeSpace 2 background, world, characters, and story
* Development
** From the time Silent Threat was finished till the starting of FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project, decisions made on how to develop the game, what affected it including marketing, and future
* Reception
** Reviews, awards, the fan community
* References
* External links
** Only links relevant to the game itself
To boost this article further, I am requesting for images showing off the capital ships dueling each other with beams and with fighters in the foreground for size comparison, as well as images of the nebulae. I believe with the age and the "no longer on sale" status of the game, 1024x768 screenshots can be justified with fair use. Jappalang 05:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The licence agreement of Freespace 2 is pretty close to "Freeware" if you look at the section about its licensing. Keep that part on Licensing by the way, that's definitely notable amongst games and licensing. As for it being something of a "FS2:OpenSource" article, I agree. The mention of the Open Source project should be reduced, although make sure to mention it in External Links. Ong elvin 09:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Should probably delete the FS2 Source Code Project article, and keep it as a small section of the FS2 article. Also, I think that you should restore the Licensing information in some form, possibly as a subsection of Development. Ong elvin 06:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I split the Project off as I am trying to keep FreeSpace 2 as an article on the game itself (which remains a proprietary software in Interplay's ownership - see ending paragraph of Development, and the FS2 SCP page - despite its problems), and FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project as the mod project which created the FS2_Open game engine (open source, non-commercial engine) and the sub-projects taking advantage of it. The size of the current FreeSpace 2 article is abundant (which did surprise me midway whilst conceiving it - I initially thought there would be a lack of material for such content). For the SCP article itself, I hope the SCP participants will be able to add to the article in the way Doom_WAD is done in accordance to Wiki guidelines. Merging the current SCP with the current game article might result in one bloated article, as I see it. Jappalang 07:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2007 Rewrite 

message: It's a good article, the only issues were so minor I fixed them myself. (We really want to use as little non-free content as possible, so I removed a couple of images. Also the vocal talent needed a brief mention in the WP:LEAD.) 
On the plus, plus side; the beam combat .gif does a lot to enhance this article. Anynobody 05:41, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! On a side note, regarding the nebulae, I believe FS2 was the first game to implement nebulaes as environments which can be flown in. WC III and IV (as well as a fair number of sims) only had them as backgrounds. Is this viewpoint in error? Jappalang 05:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Is this directed at me? I find the "O RLY?" reference misused if your intent was in jest (note what it says in the reference). Please check what I have written "I believe FS2 was the first game to implement nebulaes as environments which can be flown in". With Freelancer being released in 2003, I fail to see how it can supersede FreeSpace in having nebulae as interactive environments. Jappalang (talk) 21:10, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, Freelancer long postdates FreeSpace 2. Xihr (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GA]] assessment 

message: Here's a little tip: you may find problems with title capitalisation by using the CTRL+F function. I just did and found one. However, there shouldn't be any more problems with FreeSpace typed as Freespace, excluding the references. -- Altiris Helios Exeunt 13:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except that every word in a title, except conjunctions, should be capitalised. 'Freespace' is one word. Or did something large just fly over my head? Random Incarnate (talk) 05:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait, re-reading over the first comment, this no longer makes sense. Is there any official link where it is 'FreeSpace'? This is just confusing. Random Incarnate (talk) 05:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's FreeSpace in all the official media.  Googling indicates this quite quickly.  I don't follow what the original comments here were about.  Xihr  09:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding Capitalisation Problems 

message: The article claims that it is possible to join network/online games in progress. While I did notice the citation in question states it, I must also question the reliability of that citation. The first game did have this capability, but as I recall, it got axed during the development of the second game due to the fact that it had a lot of bugs in the first. I will see if I can find a reference (pretty sure the game manual has one, but I don't have my copy of that anymore). --Thunderbird8 (talk) 22:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small factual dispute 

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message: I don't think the open source project qualifies as far as needing its own article. A lot of that relies on primary sources and is a bit too short for my taste. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 19:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from FSO project