Talk:Moro Crater massacre

message: Most of this article is a quotation from Mark Twain.  The text of the quotation should not be altered to meet some current POV or for any other reason. Hmains 07:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: quote

message: President Teddy Roosevelt had already declared the Spanish American War over when the Army detachment group attacked villages.
in style and content, this article has been very poorly written.  It should be re-done from the ground-up with the utmost attention paid to a bias-free account.
:First off, the Spanish-American War was over, so Roosevelt's proclamation was, IIRC, actually about the Philippine Insurrection. Secondly, (again, IIRC - trust but verify), Roosevelt's "Mission Accomplished" didn't apply to Mindanao and Jolo. In other words, this battle/massacre was part of the later Moro Rebellion, not the Spanish-American War or the Philippine Insurrection (which was largely conducted by Christianized Filipinos - the Moros were largely neutral in that conflict). 
:I agree about the rewrite, though. crazyeddie 15:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: unsectioned material

message: This article is not an article on Wikipedia - it is simply a long quote of Samuel Clemens' account of it.  it should be renamed, and a real article about the actual event put in, or maybe just added as a sub account of the Philippine page.
:As such, it's a breach of Wikipedia:Don't include copies of primary sources. The Twain text is available here at Project Gutenberg. 86.139.229.178 18:51, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the good news is we have a source in addition to Swish of the Kris (which is where that link goes). And Mark Twain is writting from an opposing, anti-war POV. crazyeddie 15:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Twain 

message: If the superior source material is moved to Wikisource, the remaining text serves as a satisfactory stub, by itself. It's not wikipedian, but I liked this article from the first, and this subject deserves treatment, especially in view of the current unrest in the Philipines, and especially in view of the 100 year anniversary of this event which is less than one month away. Moving this entire article to Wikisource at this exact moment would appear as a POV issue (coverup), even if the intention is other. BusterD 12:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that only the source material should be moved, and the surrounding description should be kept here. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 14:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: What larger work is the source text taken from?  Wikisource doesn't host excerpts, but rather complete source documents.  I am also concerned about copyright, as I am unsure where this material comes from.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 21:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't delete this article. 

message: I'll verify this before any changes, then I'll be moving much of this over there, then this should be a redirect. BusterD 23:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It appears this article is a duplicate of [[Battle of Bud Dajo]] 

message: I suggest that this article be truncated, and focus on the public perception of the First Battle of Bud Dajo, since the name Moro Crater massacre arose out of that perception and public reaction. BusterD 02:01, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I propose we keep this article, and allow it to refer to the last phase of conflict 

message: To ensure the integrity of this article, I suggest it be placed in block quotes after the accuracy of the quote is re-checked to ensure no editors have modified the Twain quotation. Hmains 06:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  integrity 

message: Can we get rid of the infobox? It repeats the data given in the infobox for the First Battle of Bud Dajo. If "Moro Crater Massacre" is just another name for the First Battle of Bud Dajo, then it should be a redirect, not a separate article. If "Moro Crater Massacre" is a name for the indiscriminate killing of women and children by US troops at the end of the battle of Bud Dajo, it's sickeningly offensive to describe that event (as the infobox does) as a "US victory." 206.208.105.129 (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox