Talk:Green Bicycle Case

message: I did my best to stick with British spelling here, although I'm a Yank. I probably missed something; feel free to make appropriate corrections in this respect. - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made a few such changes. One other thing I noticed was the reference to the lack of reporting of his prior offences. This may have been in accordance with British law at the time. Certainly nowadays prior offences (previous convictions) cannot be taken into account by the court until and unless the defendant is found guilty, when they may contribute to the sentencing stage. As such the publicising of such previous convictions during the trial, had it occurred, might have been prosecutable as contempt of court. (I am not sure what the law would have been in those days.) Rachel Pearce 09:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US vs. UK spelling

message: The article contradicts itself. "She asked him if he had a wrench to help with her loose freewheel. He did not have one, but offered to accompany her, which she accepted." If it's her freewheel (a bicycle part), and he accompanied her, then it was her bicycle. But it also says "...Light hid his bike in a closet". So whose bicycle was it? Art LaPella 22:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: His bicycle or her bicycle?

message: I'm baffled by the recent changes to this article. I can't make heads or tails of the citation name Keay cited 77 times. Any valid reasons not to revert back to 26 July 2012 version? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alison, thanks for contributing.  The problem with using your research is that it's just that, your research.  Unless and until the work you have done is per-reviewed and published somewhere reputable it's what's called Wikipedia:original research and we can't use it.  I wouldn't dispute that what you have found you believe is the facts but there is nothing to corroborate that. NtheP (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert back to 26 July? 

message: Currently there is very little about Light's family. From primary sources (chiefly) I believe them to be George Harry and Catherine Louisa ( Clifton) Light who had married in 1881 in Keynsham. 
George Harry Light of Park View, Granville Road, Leicester died 21 Sept 1916 with probate to his widow, Catherine Louisa. 	
Catherine Louisa Light of 54 Highfield Rd, Leicester, died 23 Sept 1935 with probate to a  solicitor and Ronald Vivian Light civil engineer. George and Catherine are buried in Welford Road Cemetery, Leicester with two children https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175358936
If his father's death was considered a suicide I would expect to find reports of an inquest in the newspapers. The only mention I can find is the  Leicestershire and Rutland Family History Society Journal 154, Dec 2013 http://www.lrfhs.org.uk/156.pdf "...  George committed suicide in 1916 by jumping from a top
floor window of Park View."
It is also said that his father was "a successful inventor of plumbing devices" without a citation and again a search for sources is unsuccessful.
As there are currently no citations to reliable sources might it be better to remove all references to his parents?
Nedrutland (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite interesting, . I would have thought the link you added would cite as a reliable citation to warrant retaining references to his parents. Some of the information (e.g. a successful inventor of plumbing devices, or particular street names) can be backed up either in sources I have, or online? Regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 22:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: By "Coalville-based colliery" I presume Ellistown is intended (from gifts at the wedding, etc.)? Is there a independent source for "successful inventor of plumbing devices" (that predates Wikipedia). Nedrutland (talk) 08:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly, , but it (the reference) doesn't fine tune geographically any further. I'll recheck all my sources, but what I have in front of me reads "it is understood his father had been the manager of Ellistown Colliery, near Coalville".--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:34, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light's Parents 

message: Early versions of this page were presumably based on a U.S. source; I have removed some (inc. recently cattle gate (i.e. in English, a cattle grid),  police lineup (in UK, identity parade)  but at least some residue remains, e.g. "purchased the bullets and holster ...  for $6,000<sic>" (I have not found a source giving the price in GBP). I am uncomfortable with the phrase that Light "attempted to make love to a girl 15 years of age" which means something quite different to a contemporary UK person but I am not sure whether this is an Americanism or an archaism. Nedrutland (talk) 08:37, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As you likely already know, I'm British. Even though "Americanism" seeps through to UK English from time to time, we can both remove any text reading as such?--Kieronoldham (talk) 01:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Americanisms 

message: Who or what is the oft-cited Donahue? A title is needed. Nedrutland (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That wasn't me who added those references, Nedrutland. I actually thought you may have added those references before I began to contribute to this article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  , from my recent edits and reference insertions, he's from Oregon?--Kieronoldham (talk) 03:48, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

text: There are now also citations to a 2010 article in Bicycling which is a republication of Donahue's 2007 piece in the same magazine. Nedrutland (talk) 22:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donahue? 

message: A "braking system that allowed the rider to pedal backwards" has been added with a citation. I have marked this as dubious. 
If the bicycle had a coaster brake then a rider could not back-pedal (unlike most cyclists) because that would lock the brake. Nedrutland (talk) 08:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It's right here, . Page 146. If you feel it should be adjusted or removed, be my guest.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:59, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  "a braking system that involved pedaling<sic> backwards" so it did not allow the rider to pedal backwards. Nedrutland (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

text:  The original £5 reward posted includes the text "3-speed gear, control lever on right of handlebar, lever front brake, back-pedalling brake worked from crank and of unusual pattern." Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Back-pedalling 

message: The first police officer on the scene, PC Alfred Hall, commented on the case in person and by letter to crime writer Rupert Furneaux in 1955. Furneaux wrote an article on the case (never published) that PC Hall corrected and annotated, adding diagrams and directing Furneaux to key aspects of the affair. These documents were found in Furneaux’s files and radically alter many assumed facts, shedding new light on the mystery. At time of writing, some of these papers are on display at the De Montfort University Heritage Centre, Leicester.
Taking PC Hall’s written observations as being factual, the article as it now stands contains several errors and some major omissions. Further discussion of the suitability and acceptability of such material may be appropriate. ByNote (talk) 14:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potentially Excluded Primary Source Material 

message: Is anyone in particular responsible for this page? There are three full-length books published on the case (Wakefield, East and Brown) and none are used as references, yet there are numerous footnotes to newspaper articles and true-crime compendiums; this detracts from its credibility. There are a few bits of misleading info compounding the problem. AMB, author.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikian7890 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We're all responsible for the page. You are more than welcome to purchase or otherwise use credible references to expand and populate the article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  A few errors & misleading info 

message: Can anyone tell me about the citation n6 which refers to Lillian lester having put her two boys in a children’s home. One of those boys, Sidney Wyndham Lester was my grandfather. Lillian lester married Ronald Light when she was 50 yrs old. Julieh5592lester (talk) 12:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lillian Lester.