Talk:Winchester

message: There is a problem in the history section arising from a corrected mistake. Until April 5th it included the lines "...it was established by King Alfred the Great as the main city in his kingdom in 827. The Saxon street plan laid out by Alfred is still evident today...", which reads fine but is wrong (Alfred wasn't even born in 827). This was corrected to: "...it was established by King Egbert as the main city in his kingdom in 827. The Saxon street plan laid out by Alfred is still evident today...", which is factually consistent but stylistically weird as Alfred hadn't been mentioned until that point but it sounds as if he should have been.
So if Egbert established it, is it his street plan which survives? Or did Alfred redevelop it when he became king (in which case the sentence should be rewritten to reflect that)? Or was it actually Alfred who established it as a capital, as originally stated, and it was the year that should have been corrected? --82.47.198.253 11:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Egbert and Alfred

message: According to Mike Ashley's Biographical Encyclepedia of British Kings and Queens, Edward the Elder (d.924) was indeed buried in Winchester Cathedral.  I'm undoing the undo and providing a reference for that fact.  If this is not the case, could someone provide a ref of some sort showing that I'm wrong.  thanks! Josh 14:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From a plethora of possible references, I have given the most recent and specific I could find. There are many errors in Mike Ashley's work. Edward the Elder was buried in the New Minster, then at Hyde Abbey. His last resting place is marked in the Hyde Abbey Garden near the Leisure Centre. Also, strictly speaking Egbert and Canute are not 'buried' in the Cathedral. Their bones are in abox. Walgamanus 22:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for setting it straight! Josh 00:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edward the Elder

message: The list of people is growing, maybe its time to split it off as Bath has done here List of people from Bath. GameKeeper (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  In addition, the section within this article should be written as prose, not as a list. Waggers (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to split off the people? 

message: Fingerpuppet, it is not enough to revert my changes to the lead without discussion. You need to provide a proper source, per WP:V, for the lead as it now stands. You have only provided an ONS dataset, "for urban areas and urban subdivisions in England and Wales with populations of 1,500 people or greater."
As I have stated at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography#Infobox_uniformity, the idea that articles should start with the absurd tautological construction "X lies at the heart of the wider City of X..." is damaging to our standing as a credible reference work. Can you please explain where else, outside Wikipedia, you find this approach taken? Chrisieboy (talk) 11:27, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WikiProject UK geography, which you are a participant in, and have yet to convince editors in your way of thinking. Get a consensus there, and your way of thinking will prevail.  Until then (or until one of the alternative proposals gains consensus), the status quo rests.   The source is simply for the population figure. Fingerpuppet (talk) 13:45, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: City of Winchester

message: Hello, I'm proposing some alterations to how we deal with cities and places within cities that share its name. The proposal, found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_England#City_disambiguation, includes Winchester and the City of Winchester. I'm really hoping to gain a broad consensus for this proposal, and the rationale why is found at WP:ENGLAND too. --Jza84 |  Talk   10:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: I had to suppress an interesting article about the historic watercourses through Winchester. Luckily the text is still available at :de:Benutzer:JuergenBeer. Something definitely needs to be said here on the subject. — RHaworth  12:20, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Watercourses 

message: Celebrity blogger and upcoming author Christopher Couture is originally from Winchester and in his first novel, Superhated, his first character called Alexander Cunningham is from and resides in Winchester. His second novel, Life In Pink, is based in both Winchester and Southampton.
"Upcoming author" souds like an advertisment for a book. I fail to see how this bit of trivia meets the Notability test, especially since the link to Winchester is so tenuous anyway. And particualrly since Mr Couture doesn't have a Wikipedia page to himself. I have deleted the paragraph. --Iacobus (talk) 00:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christopher Couture - notability 

message: "It was planned to educate poor boys before they moved on to New College, Oxford and often a life in the church."I imagine the writer meant, a life serving in a church as a priest, etc, but it isn't clear from the line.--93.173.88.173 (talk) 21:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing line 

message: Editors - I provided the image of the Guildhall shown in the article. Here are a couple of images taken around the same time showing those leading the foundation and opening ceremonies as well as architect etc. Maybe of interest in the main article? WyrdLight (talk) 17:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guildhall foundation & opening 

message: Currently no mention at all of transport, or of the Itchen Navigation. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added today. Pterre (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's really good. Gosh, what a lot of links! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport? 

message: Mallory's Death of King Arthur (at least as treated by Peter Ackroyd) several times lists Winchester as the seat of Camelot
Simon Minahan05:19, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Arther and Mallory 

message: For a discussion of whether Winchester was the capital of Anglo-Saxon England see Talk:London/Archive 10#Winchester the Anglo-Saxon capital? Dudley Miles (talk) 11:53, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winchester the Anglo-Saxon capital? 

message: The addition 'Wintonian' was recently reverted in favour of the strange construction 'Winchesterian'. I would say 'Wintonian' is more usual - at least among, er, Wintonians. Pterre (talk) 09:25, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree, although a very quick search reveals no decent references to support either, so perhaps it should be deleted altogether? waggers (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winchesterian? 

message: I see that it's been discussed in the past from the comments above but somehow is missing in the most recent versions of the page. I've included some sourced treatment: feel free to find still-better sources, but kindly don't just blank parts of the city's history. — LlywelynII 02:03, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-Roman Britain

message: Personally, I'm in favor of a switch to the less precious  format but this edit established the use of the page as , so kindly maintain that pending a new consensus. — LlywelynII 02:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: WP:ERA

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It would be very helpful if this article had a map that showed Winchester within the context of the British Isles or at least England, to benefit those who don't know where Winchester is... Stevenmitchell (talk) 01:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The existing map does exactly that. In the top left hand corner is a map of England, with Hampshire highlighted. The main map then shows Winchester within Hampshire. WaggersTALK 11:07, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We could label Basingstoke and Southampton, poss. Portsmouth/ Bournemouth as well? --84.92.56.128 (talk) 00:18, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs a Better Map

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In 20 years of living in the city I've never heard this nickname, and I can't find a good source for it online. Google searching it in quotation marks brings up only sites that look as if they've taken it from the Wikipedia entry. In addition, for a few months in 2015, the nickname was listed as the 'City of Kings' alone, which casts doubt on the veracity of this nickname in this form. As such, I've added a 'citation needed' tag to the nickname for the time being. If anyone can find a reputable source validating this nickname feel free to remove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulfo (talk • contribs) 23:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard the nick-name either, sounds like a PR invention somewhere. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 11:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: In Winchester today I see the latest exhibition at the cathedral is headlined "Kings and Scribes".  I suspect the "Kings and Priests" nickname possibly derives from a previous exhibition.  Shall we delete it? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 18:41, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Further news, apparently it is mentioned in a guide available from Winchester City Hall, according to a Singapore student's blog: <http://blogs.surrey.ac.uk/singapore-blog/2017/05/12/the-city-of-kings-and-priests-👑⛪%EF%B8%8F🌅/> Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:21, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

text: I've removed it. It's uncited, and none of the sources mentioned above back up its usage as a local name. Enchanter (talk) 01:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've certainly heard it, but not as a genuine alternative name. It's more of a strap-line for tourism advertising, so I agree with its removal. WaggersTALK 08:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Kings and Priests 

message: I've edited :category:Cities in Hampshire to put it into :category:Cities in South East England. Following WP:SUBCAT, I've therefore taken Southampton, Winchester and Portsmouth out of :category:Cities in South East England because :category:Cities in Hampshire is the relevant subcategory. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Since August 2020, the category has been moved to :category:Towns in Hampshire as part of a wider clean-up exercise. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from category:Cities in South East England 

message: I've just added a note about the city walls. One of the sources is this one:
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which triggered a warning message about it being on Wordpress. The author's biography begins by saying "Dave Allen has been looking after the county’s archaeology collection for thirty years. During this time, he has worked on the Museum of the Iron Age and the redisplays of Rockbourne Roman Villa and Basing House." so I am confident in the reliability of the source. The warning message asked me to explain this on the talkpage, hence this comment.--Northernhenge (talk) 21:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rationale for use of a Wordpress source 

message: I've begun Draft:Winchester City Walls, beginning with an introduction paragraph whereby more detailed history of the walls and related urban defences such as the gates and castles could be added, and would welcome other contributions to the draft. See also Category:City walls in the United Kingdom.--BryceIII (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Winchester City Walls page 

message: In this edit, the Anglo Saxon "Wintan-ceastre" was changed to "Wintanceaster" on the grounds that the former was in the wrong grammatical case. However the original version is sourced (Bosworth-Toller) so any change would need to be reflected in a new source which was more authoritative than the old one, or otherwise both versions mentioned. The Bosworth-Toller source mentions other possible names as well. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle says that Vikings "abræcon (stormed, or broke in to) Wintanceastre" which shows the dative form and is, perhaps, why Bosworth-Toller use that spelling to represent the nominative. --Northernhenge (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

text: No, I agree with you. We just need an authoritative replacement for the Bosworth-Toller reference, which uses the dative form. The edit left us with Wintanceaster but citing a source that uses Wintanceastre. I don't know enough about the subject to judge between sources – the problem I noticed was that the reference differed from the article. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

text: Yes, I see that now thanks. Sorry about the hassle. I've undone my revert. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:02, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wintan-ceastre or Wintanceaster?