Talk:Jimmy Walter

message: I removed inappropriate Reference: *Orkin, Jenna. "9/11, Ten Million Dollars and Twelve Foot Reptiles in the Royal Family", World Trade Center Environmental Organization, undated, retrieved March 4, 2006 It has nothing to do with James W. Walter. H0riz0n 04:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: This page is very difficult to read. To start with, there are two sections containing the exact same material (copy & paste error, perhaps?) as well as numerous grammatical and spelling mistakes. Isopropyl 00:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The sections that were duplicated have since been removed. Now, the grammar needs to be cleaned up, and the formatting made clearer. As written, the article is somewhat confusing. Thanks! Please refrain from disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. See WP:POINT. Isopropyl 03:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This page is very difficult to read

message: I have reverted Jimmywalter's massive diatribe that was inserted into the page on 3 March. Isopropyl 03:44, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: I've tried to tidy the page up a bit. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: I semi-protected this article because Walter continues to add legal threats and personal commentary to it. Please read Wikipedia:No legal threats and Wikipedia:Autobiography. You are welcome to suggest improvements or factual corrections to this article, but further legal threats will just result in more blocks. Mr. Walter, you could have made constructive suggestions on this talk page, or sent an e-mail to Wikipedia's help desk. Instead of taking these first steps, you immediately started adding inappropriate personal commentary to the article, and issuing legal threats. Rhobite 19:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
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message: For the industrialist founder of Jim Walter Homes and father of James W. Walter, see James W. Walter, Sr. James (Jimmy) W. Walter of Amsterdam, Netherlands and Vienna, Austria is a venture capitalist and political activist of the United States who is a proponent of 9/11 conspiracy theories. In December of 2004, he offered a $100,000 reward (increased to $1 million in September 2005) to anyone who can prove that the attacks were carried out as described by the September 11 Commission. He has left the USA due to violent attacks against him and his property and public threats made against him and Eric Hufschmid by Penn and Teller on national TV. Mr Walter commissioned a Zogby Poll which showed that 66% of New Yorkers wanted the 9/11 investigation reopened and that over 49% thought members of the administration knew about it ahead of time and let it happen[ http://www.reopen911.org/Zogby.htm]. He also developed the Walden Three, a model for cities and societies of the future.
James W. Walter discussion 
*I see nothing wrong with leaving the above pretty much as it stands. Maybe remove the word "violent" If Pen and Teller made attacks against him I curious how Teller did it... maybe add Penn and Teller Show. I can imagine that this comment will rattle feathers, especially fans, but I personally feel that the living person should respectfully be given a bit of leanience over a page about him...(its only British :p). If he says he left because of threats then I think it should be kept in. Its like saying Shakepeare being alive and stating "Shakespeare was gay." in his own wikipage about him. In the case of living I thik we should allow them the benefit of the doubt. H0riz0n 00:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  James W. Walter 

message: James W. Walter, (II*) is currently working on the utopian novel, Walden Three, an intriguing coming-of-age story set in a prison and corrections system containing a practical manual on the creation and operation of a contemporary, sustainable utopia. The novel and accompanying literature covers the psychological and social aspects as well as the mechanics and scientific methods of the project. Mr. Walter has extensive experience in starting and operating small businesses, as well as a broad knowledge of finance and financial markets. He is skilled in writing and computer science; and is well versed in psychology, economics, behavior management, religion, and philosophy. Walter founded the Life Skills Foundation in an effort to help people of lower socio-economic status, primarily the incarcerated and those on government assistance programs. Clubs: James Walter is a member of the Americans for Democratic Action, Institute for Ethics and Meaning, Democratic National Committee, Florida Democratic Party, Hillsborough County Democratic Party, Social Democrats of America, Metropolitan Museum of Art (NYC), Museum of Modern Art (NYC), WEDU Foundation, WUSF TV Foundation, and WUSF Radio Foundation. Walter was born in Tampa, Florida in 1947, and is unmarried with no children. He is the son of industrialist, Jim Walter, of Jim Walter Homes, Celotex, Walter Industries, U.S. Pipe and Foundry. 
Vitae discussion 
*:I think editing out "extensive" is silly. should we edit out adjectives out of ALL the other pages...plato, shakespeare, etc... Hes a millionaire, obviously successful, I think its fine to let this stand. Just as saying shakespeare is a prolific writer should shand due to the scope of his work. H0riz0n 00:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we should edit out all subjective adjectives. See Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms. Rhobite 01:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vitae 

message: 1966 Phi Eta Sigma (freshman Honors Society) University of North Carolina 1965 Awarded Morehead Scholarship University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, North Carolina Graduated Cum Laude 
Awards and Honors discussion
* I see no reason not to include this section. Maybe this section and edication could be combined.
**We're not a web hosting service. See WP:NOT. Rhobite 01:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards and Honors

message: 1965-1969 University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, North Carolina Phi Eta Sigma (freshman Honors Society) B.S. in Business Administration 1961-1965 Asheville School for Boys Asheville, North Carolina Graduated Cum Laude
Education discussion
*I think there is nothing wrong with adding this section. H0riz0n 01:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Education

message: The problem I have with the links isn't even that they aren't up to the quality of the other references in the article, but that they aren't about James W. Walter, which is, after all, what the article is supposed to be about. That makes them tangential to the article. 
# http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/MiniNukeHypoth_Jones_300906.html - the name "Walter" isn't to be found anywhere on the page. The nukes hypothesis isn't discussed anywhere in our article.
# http://www.oilempire.us/pentagon.html - One tiny section mentions Walter, the rest is a grab bag of other discussion
# http://911review.com/errors/phantom/index.html - the name "Walter" isn't to be found anywhere on the page.
Debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories in general is fine on the 9/11 conspiracy theories page. This is the page about one specific theorist, namely James W. Walter. Entries on the page should be about him.
AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's important for people to understand is that the theories that are promoted on his website are considered to be unsupported by the evidence by some major people in the movement - Hoffman, Jones, Griffin, etc. - so to put them out there with no qualification, as though everyone agrees, is incorrect.  I'm fine with not posting any links, but generally when I make a statement like this I'm asked for links to show evidence of the assertion.  I know of people who have refused free trips abroad to speak with him because they refuse to go along with the nonsense he promotes about mini-nukes and no-plane theories.  I don't care if it's linked to debunking pages or not, but then where does one show that others do not agree?  If we cannot link to any 9/11 "conspiracy" sites to talk about the content of the 9/11 theories which Walters supports, than we are operating in a vaccuum.  What's the solution here?  To say nothing is simply to put out a false impression that others agree with him, when they clearly do not. bov 21:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would be a good point, but I'm not sure where in the article it implies that these others agree with him, and they certainly aren't mentioned by name. I don't think it even mentions him in relationship to any organized movement as such, primarily because I didn't find any reliable sources talking about him and the movement. AnonEMouse (squeak) 22:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "debunkings of theories promoted on Walters website" 

message: What should the article name be? Let's see who mostly calls him what:
;James W.
* New York Times James W. Walter
* Tampa Bay Business Journal James W. Walter Jr.
;Jimmy
* personal home page: http://www.JimmyWalter.com
* Creative Loafing Jimmy Walter
* Reuters/ABC Australia Jimmy Walter
* Maxim Jimmy Walter
* Der Spiegel Jimmy Walter
* ABC US Jimmy Walters (! Yes, it's pretty clearly about him, not someone else.)
* CNN 2 Jimmy Walter, JIMMY W. WALTER,
* RAI Jimmy Walter
;Both ways
* St Petersburg Times James "Jimmy" W. Walter Jr. - They also call him James Walter Jr. and quote someone calling him Jimmy.
* CNN 1 James Walters (!), Jimmy Walter, JAMES W. WALTER
I count a clear majority for Jimmy, in addition to the fact that it's his personal home page, and it's unambiguous with his father. On the other side is that the NYT is possibly the single most prestigious source, but Der Spiegel and ABC are nothing to sneeze at either. So I'll be wp:bold and move the article to Jimmy Walters. Hopefully there aren't many objections, if there are we can discuss or move it back. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:44, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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