Talk:Últimas Noticias

message: This article has been classed as a stub due to its level of organisation and detail. It also needs to be sourced. Capitalistroadster 01:53, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub classification

message: What is going on here; the sources appear to be all jumbled.. The content is verified, but the sources are all in the wrong place, best I can tell, but have not read them thoroughly. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  17:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: And this? I started trying to sort it so the citations could be formatted, but gave up without finishing (several of the links never discussed Ultimas Noticias] and others are about different incidents). SandyGeorgia (Talk)  04:23, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this mess? 

message: While I have the time and before it is repeated further, I want to address the implication that describing outlets such as Runrunes as "opposition" is somehow similar to describing Últimas Noticias as pro-government. One of the first articles that I found in a Google search about the newspaper's purchase was "Robert Hanson - his dad was Thatcher’s favourite tycoon, but now he’s accused of selling out Venezuelan newspaper to socialists", by The Independent, and there are whole articles dedicated in addressing and explaining this new editorial position:  (the former includes ten examples of biased and misleading reporting). This is not only limited to neutrality, but to reliability as well, as it can be noticed in fact checking reports: (although again, this brings back the editorial line issue, as in many of these cases the problem is the republication of unreliable government sources).
If anything, this should be an example of when there's truly enough coverage on an outlet to make an statement on its political stance per WP:WEIGHT NoonIcarus (talk) 00:27, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Double standard" 

message: Why is Global Voices, "an international community of writers, bloggers and digital activists" being used to place information critical about the paper? Also, WP:SYNTH/WP:OR was removed as the sources included did not mention Últimas Noticias once, so they were obviously placed to support the claims made in the Global Voices article. WMrapids (talk) 01:56, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Referring to this removal of this addition first made in 2015, with a whole series of intervening edits that led to an undefined ref followed by #What is this mess? After which I gave up after finding WP:CWW all over the place in subsequent Zialater edits, which carried the uncited edits of the banned paid editor to other articles. It appears that this is partly sorted now at this article, but I'll have to face the CWW another day. (I don't believe the citation mess I mentioned above is sorted yet; I gave up after finding the CWW.) SandyGeorgia (Talk)  04:18, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

text: PS, a reminder to keep WP:EXPERTSPS in mind when evaluating blog sources; best I can tell, the Jessica Carrillo of this Global Voices article is not the same Jessica Carrillo as the Telemundo journalist, but I could be wrong. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  04:37, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed back some of the material with the Runrunes article. WMrapids (talk) 10:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Global Voices 

message: ::: See WP:CWW
Starting in now on text that was carried to other articles from this article without attribution; this will take time.  Saving the diff
* 537048296 as of 13:09, February 7, 2013 
from now banned paid editor of largely cited text; I doubt any of that text is citeable, as it was likely told to the paid editor by an individual.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  19:30, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copying within