Talk:Red-tailed black cockatoo

message: *Version reviewed
This article has been nominated as a Good Article.  I have reviewed it under the guidelines for Good Articles and have the following comments:
*Referencing is adequate, although one of the references (IUCN) is represented by a bullet rather than a linked reference number like the others.  This is a relatively minor issue.
*There is no problem with licensing issues on the pictures, and the pictures illustrate the subject matter very well.
*The article is comprehensive, and I do not see any major deficiencies in the coverage of the subject matter.
*The article is written from a neutral point of view.
*The prose is another matter.  The article needs a significant copyedit before it can be promoted as a Good Article.  Some random examples taken from the article include: (by no means a complete list)
**It is called (minha) pachang, where minha is a qualifier meaning 'meat' or 'animal', in Pakanh, (inh -) inhulg in Uw Oykangand, and (inh -) anhulg in Uw Olkola, where inh- is a qualifier meaning 'meat' or 'animal' three aboriginal languages of central Cape York Peninsula
**The tail is black with a bright red subterminal panels in the lateral tail feathers.
**As they reach maturity, males will replace their yellow tail feathers with red ones as they moult, it takes approx 18 months to grow into its male feathers.
**They are generally rather shy of humans. Flight is a rather slow with deep flapping.
**The current Australian restrictions on commercial exports from Australia are not imposed by CITES, (a standalone paragraph leading me to think that the rest of the sentence/paragraph was deleted somewhere)
**The Red-tailed Black Cockatoo is the most often seen of the Black Cockatoos to captivity,[30] and can be hardy and long lived if given plenty of space.
**The male will start to "sing" and strut along his perch ending in a jump and a flash of red tail feathers toward the female who most the time will reply by biting him (defensively ),once the female has one egg in her nest she will not lay another , the egg takes about 30 days to hatch , the babies eyes will open around 3 weeks and the yellow down will show black pin feathers at about 6 weeks , best time for had raising is at about 10 weeks when their black feathers are in place but the tail feathers are still short , the baby will fledge after about 4 months.                    
*The article needs some cleanup according to WP:MOSNUM as many of the units of measure are given in metric only
For the reasons outlined above, I am failing the nomination at this time, although when those suggestions have been implemented, you are free to re-nominate the article at any time in the future.  Good luck.  Neil916 (Talk) 19:39, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, I never even saw it referred. Oh well, I knew about alot of those. Time to get stuck into it I guess....thanks for the pointers...(2nd time that's happened to me)cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:37, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review

message: Please enter material needed to get to FA here...cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-Do List 

message: The photograph / picture in the article showing the sexual dimorphism in the graptogyne subspecies says that it is from Western Australia.  However, graptogyne doesn't occur in Western Australia.  I'm not sure of the origin of this photo.  Either, the picture is not from Western Australia, or the picture shows one of the three subspecies that do occur in Western Australia (i.e. naso, samueli, macrorhynchus).  Does anyone have any thoughts on this one? GCBabbler 02:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Dammit, I'd forgotten 'bout that one. I had tried to find out whether it was naso, samueli or what and never did. Oringial pic says it in WA but doesn't specify where. Best just remove subsp tag for teh mo' until we find out. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried looked at the female tail to give a clue which subspecies it might be, but there's not enough.  No matter.  The key point from the picture is to show the sexual dimorphism, and not the difference between subspecies.  Cheers GCBabbler 04:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Subspecies

message: There are at least 4 threads here:
1. birds as part of nature (i.e. agricultural pests, which is the character of the birds, and has nothing to do with man's actions toward them)
2. conservation, i.e. man preys on the birds and man is now responsible for them; this subsumes the smuggling section
3. birds not as part of nature: as pets, collector and display animals (zoos, etc)
4. man's culture and media, which have nothing to do with birds in nature or birds in captivity
No other bird or animal article that I've read has this top level section.  I think as we move to a standard format, we should restructure this - a relatively minor adjustment of secton levels
(content stays in the same relative location(s))
Touching a FA article is a special responsibility, I'm going to see if anyone comments Sbalfour (talk) 21:05, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it is a somewhat....heterogeneous section - what would you propose? I've often made the conservation sections a subsection of distribution and habitat. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:56, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I'll take a whack at it.  The comment about digging up peanuts at the top of the section goes under "Diet", right under the sentence about learning to eat introduced plants.  The top level section "Relationship to Humans" gets deleted.  The subsections below it become top level sections, except "Illegal Smuggling" and "Proposed NRETA plan" move to subsections under "Conservation Status".  I'd normally move "Conservation Status" under "Distribution and Habitat", unless it's lengthy (like this case, so leave it as a top level section).Sbalfour (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok go for it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Relationship to Man" is an otherwise unseen "collect-all" section 

message: The intro is a little too detailed, in particular the morphological description which is already found in the "Description" section.  I propose shortening it and letting it read a little more generically: "It's a large mostly black cockatoo often seen in large flocks over woodland areas." That's a little too colloquial, but more in the style of a riposte (i.e. What's a Red-tailed Black cockatoo?).  The opening paragraph should invite the reader to proceed to the rest of a very informative article.  
Does the cursory reader want to know or even understand what it means to 'conserve' a zoological name?   That phrase probably should get moved to the "Taxonomy and naming" subsection.
Sbalfour (talk) 16:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: All rejigging looks good so far. NB - your signature is oddly formatted. I think you may need to tweak it in your "my preferences" tab. The lead is supposed to summarise the contents of the article, so there is a tendency to repeat info in it.Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:09, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  2nd paragraph of intro duplicates Description, Distribution and Habitat sections; "tone" of intro a little dry 

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message: They are a threatened species 49.194.45.32 (talk) 23:21, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:48, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2023 

message: Have been going through the 2006 and 2007 FAs remaining at WP:URFA/2020A. This one looks to be in fairly good shape, but a few notes, mainly conservation updates:
* There's some newer population estimates for the southeastern red-tailed black cockatoo
* "Baker, Joe (2007). "Rare, unusual, difficult to find:Black Palm Red Tail and Gang-Gang Cockatoos, Blue Napes, Hawk Heads". Birds of Paradise Aviaries. Archived from the * original on 11 September 2007. Retrieved 26 August 2007." - I don't know that this would be considered high-quality RS under the more modern FA standards
* "Goodfellow, Denise Lawungkurr. pers. comm." - shouldn't be citing personal communication
* "The large and powerful bills of these birds can quickly and easily open a Brazil nut (normally requiring crushing in a vise or pounding with a hammer), shearing it as neatly as a laser. They can also demolish a whole coconut with husk in 3 days." - unsourced addition to article
* Any chance of an update on the captive prices?
This is still in good shape, just needs some tuning up  although there's no rush here. Hog Farm  Talk 02:12, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Will take a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:33, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

text: haven't forgotten...just.....life.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:25, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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