Talk:Pharamond

message: This article is currently in a very poor state. It says essentially the opposite of what it used to say, with no more citations than it used to to justify the change. The phrasing is off, and the prose reiterates the same points again and again, never with any citations to back it up. There is also no context: how did the legend develop? What did historians from the period say about the Franks? For an article that has seen so much attention over the last few months, this is very disappointing.--Cúchullain t/c 14:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuchullain, you wont get a better article if you delete sourced statements of for example Gregory, nor does the article improve if you put a fact-tag, right after the source. johanthon 14:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't delete anything about Gregory, and I certainly didn't delete anything that's sourced - nothing here is sourced. All I deleted was the reiteration that the character is probably mythical (which is also unsourced). Other than that I did some minor rewording; it needs much more still.--Cúchullain t/c 15:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please take a look at my small re-write, with sourced quotations. Johanthon, I have kept very much to the basic outline of what you had written. Cuchallain, if you're happy with this re-write, you could safely remove the tag. -Almirena 14:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with this. Especially since you kept the point of multiple kings in Gregory. I think that is essential. Nicely sourced as well. johanthon 16:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some minor tweaks to your edit and removed some of the quotes (particularly the ones that weren't in English or just reiterated each other.)  Well done.--Cúchullain t/c 21:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor state

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message: I have removed the birth year guesses and death year guesses as we have *no* sources whatsover to even hazard, even within two decades when he was supposed to have been living.Wjhonson (talk) 01:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes such made up dates are a problem on WP and keep being reinserted. Is there any reason you deleted the footnote to the primary text of the Gesta Francorum? I did not check, but that is what the link seemed to be. If the link was not working, we could find a new link?--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 09:26, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dating