Talk:50 Cent/Archive 3

message: Am I the only who is wondering why 50 Cent's discography page doesn't have albums' covers? IWM 11:01, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Covers

message: "But rather than create new songs, he decided to showcase his hit-making ability by retouching beats which had already been used."
:I removed this statement from the Shooting section because it's derogatory to Fitty and it's been marked as needing a source since February. If someone finds a source re-insert it.  Tayquan hollaMy work 23:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see why you'd think it's "derogatory" but that info is on 50cent.com, which says 50 decided to showcase his hit-making ability by retouching first-class beats which had already been used. You also removed the bolded words in the following statement: 50 Cent released No Mercy, No Fear, another mixtape of borrowed beats. Again, the site says They released the red, white and blue bootleg, "50 Cent Is the Future. So if it's on the official site, then it's obviously not derogatory. Spellcast 15:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed statement

message: today he announced that the 3rd album is "Curtis", the 4th album is "Before I Self Destruct" and the 5th is the "Greatest Hits"
he said this on Hot 97 LightSpeed1 20:05, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography

message: Replaced a word in the Shooting section (a shell hit his right thumb and came out of his pinky)
Rounds are fired from the barrels of guns, not shells. Shells are ejected casings for the bullets that are fired.
- B.Soto 12:18, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Editing for Accuracy 

message: It says his full name is "Curtis James Jackson III". At the very least, we know his name is "Curtis Jackson". But where did the "James" and "III" come from? After looking at the edit history here, the "James" was originally added by an anonymous IP who got several vandal warnings about editing middle names. The "III" was later added by another anonymous IP here. It's hard to find a reliable source that confirms his full name since there's so many sites that copy off Wikipedia. So I'm leaving it as "Curtis Jackson" for the meantime. Spellcast 12:26, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Real name

message: At the moment, I don't think the shooting incident should be included in the lead-in. If that's put in, why not his jail time? Afterall, the time spent in jail took more time out of his life than the shooting. The Game (rated a good article) was shot 5 times, ended up in a coma yet it's not mentioned in the lead. Spellcast 16:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead could still stand to be even longer, I expanded it significantly. From what I understand the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article, there's a section titled "shooting" hence... Also it is a well known fact that he was shot numerous times.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:30, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah according tio this WP:LEAD the lead is a summary of the article, so that answers that.  Tayquan hollaMy work 05:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Well Dre produced in Da Club and the video even referenced the fact that Dre was like his behinds the scenes creator/mentor. The shooting info needs to be fixed if it's wrong obviously.  Tayquan hollaMy work 22:52, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead-in

message: After opposition to the notes added in good faith to other sections, contributions are welcome to the newly added Trivia section.Itsmeltc 14:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt any good or featured articles have a trivia section, which is why it should be avoided at all costs, as noted in Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. Spellcast 20:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just checked they don't. The information is so trivial and random, I think it doesn't make the cut. There ain't no context to put it in. If he wrote a song about football (soccer) then you could bring it up, but to just drop in random unimportant information like that is pretty much what defines trivia.  Tayquan hollaMy work 06:01, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I removed the fact that his mother was bisexual because while it's an interesting fact, it doesn't really have anything to do with anything and it seems like you're mentioning it for a reason but you're not (it never comes up again). It's just totally random information with no context.  Tayquan hollaMy work 06:17, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bisexuality|bisexual]] mother

message: Under controversy, shouldn't something be mentioned about the "Ban 50" thing. I don't really get what that thing was about. Oh yea, I think Curtis wore that shirt too, which can definitely be classified as "controversial". I'll look for articles about that somewhere, but in the meantime, someone do the same. This article is starting to become a "good" one. - NJ Rock
Picture of 50 Wearing the Shirt
:This video shows a bunch of protesters wearing "Ban 50" shirts as some guy rips up G-Unit clothing. 50 seems to have adapted the "Ban 50, save the kids" slogan for some kind of charity. lol gotta give props for taking something negative and turning into a positive. And yes, this article is slowly but inevitably going to become a good article. Spellcast 20:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I appreciate the attempts to improve the :Image:50-cent.jpg pic as an editor has done here with :Image:50 cent retouched.png. But I still prefer the former mainly because you can see more. As for a caption? Well if you think one isn't needed since the Michael Jordan page doesn't have one, you can also say that we should have it since the Jenna Jameson page has one. I don't want to get into a lame edit war over a caption but my preference is if it's a free image- include a caption, if it's a promo shot- none necessary. Spellcast 05:26, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's easy to say you don't want to get into a lame edit war when you're preferred version is in there. I'm removing it until we get consensus. It's pretty stupid to have a caption—where he is is non-notable as you see only his head (he's not on the red carpet) and the fact that it says "50 Cent" has a total redundancy to it. Who else would it be? This is 50 Cent's article. No shit it's him. It's his article and there's a picture of a guy's face right below the part that says "50 Cent".  Tayquan hollaMy work 21:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: Regarding the merge proposal for List of 50 Cent awards and nominations:
Oppose There's no way all those awards are going to be included into this article. Besides, I tried a 'preview' and it makes this article about 37kb too long. Spellcast 22:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But then much of the article is made up of nominations, which can be scrapped. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 13:56, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aren't there other pages like this? I think I saw one linked to Michael Jordan's page. Should be fine.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Awards and achievements merge

message: I don't know if any of you 50 fans are interested, but he was featured first in the video for Method Man's (!) "Break Ups 2 Make Ups" (1999) with D'Angelo in the club fight scene. It was way before he ever released his first single "Wanksta" (2002). The video is hardly available on the net (youtube has an incomplete version throughout), but it is still broadcasted. If anyone find it sourceable and important to note, maybe it should be included in the article. Lajbi Holla @ me 10:42, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  First video appearance 

message: Why is'nt there a recent events section.--Peterm1991 15:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent events section 

message: Shoud there be an infobox for his acting carrer in the filmography section.--Peterm1991 16:12, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One should be enough. Speaking of infoboxes, shouldn't his label years be removed for the main article per Template:Infobox musical artist. If there's no objections, I'm removing them. Spellcast 11:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox: actor 

message: Shouldn't it be classified as a New York Feud? LILVOKA 16:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've integrated this under "Other New York Rappers" for the meantime because it's only a paragraph long. Plus, it reduces the number of contents. Spellcast 05:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cam'Ron feud

message: As of May 2007 his house in Farmington, CT is listed for sale
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-50centhouse.artmay03,0,578556.story?coll=hc-headlines-local —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.9.136.100 (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: CT Mansion

message: This article's getting pretty good, a couple of weeks ago it had a tag on it for prose and was filled with slang. What does everybody say we get it a peer review? I just found about those and think it might be a good idea. Feel free to comment.  Tayquan hollaMy work 12:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversy needs work as it's the most messy part of the article. You got a good outline of the Ja Rule, Game, & Cam'ron feuds, and then you have this 'Other New York rappers' section that just randomly names other rappers without any context. It should either be expanded or removed. I mean does anyone actually care about that Diddy controversy? If all his controversies were listed, it'd take up over half the article, so only the most notable ones should be included. Spellcast 13:51, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems to make sense.  Tayquan hollaMy work 18:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It also probably needs to deal with his personal life more; his wife and kids etc.  Tayquan hollaMy work 21:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: Ok here are some things off the top of my head that can be added under this heading: His wife, son, tattoos, Bush comments, mansion, and wealth. Personal life sections can often be a breeding ground for rumors/speculation/gossip/random facts, so it's important to remove that kind of information, and that it doesn't turn into a 'Trivia' section in disguise. Spellcast 11:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice work, I see someone pu it up for peer review. Hopefully we get some responses there too. I'll try to help and male sure no junk gets added in there.  Tayquan hollaMy work 04:07, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I looked over peer review and it seems like people get more responses here so I put it up for peer review there too.  Tayquan hollaMy work 04:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed 'Personal life' section

message: It's good that we at least have a picture for the infobox, but the page would really be improved if there were images of 50 at like a concert or even at some random event. If there are no copyleft photos available by the time this reaches a featured article, we'll probably have to post album covers like on the Mandy Moore page. Spellcast 05:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But album covers aren't usable on such pages (I know that they're misused in lots of articles, but that's being cleaned up slowly, as Wikipedia is getting more hard-line on copyright issues). --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 21:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the movie poster, his mugshot, and the picture of him with his son that keeps being added? 123 Spellcast 06:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Am I the only one who thinks the external links format here is very messy? Do we need to add things like the G-Unit family, why not keep it to just 50 Cent? Spellcast 08:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. These templates are getting to be mini-articles in themselves, and on an article like this they just repeat all the links that are in the article anyway, or which are in articles to which this one links. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 08:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Everything from "Gangsta Flip" to the part about "Black Child" having a feud with 50 Cent is poorly written, definitely not non-POV ("Bellies the confidence in himself" is definitely not a non-POV statement)(this concerning Domination), and other than here I cannot find anything on the Internet concerning said feuds. I am deleting them until someone can actually cite those. If they are not cited but reinstated I will just have the article protected and before-hand delete them again. Scryer_360 22:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gangsta Flip and Black Child? 

message: The prose in the personal life section needs work. It's hard to integrate all those quotes. I can't really see how to do it just yet. Also the whole section is written in his own words which isn't really encyclopedic. Tayquan holla My work 22:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I know what you mean when you say it's hard to integrate those quotes, especially the ones about his son. The first 2 quotes seem pretty significant. Anyway, it's only the first 3 sentences of the paragraph that needs a bit of tweaking. Spellcast 01:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personal life

message: Under Rise to fame, it says The Game was signed to G-Unit under a joint venture. And then under Feuds, it says The Game was never signed to G-Unit. How about we get this sorted out? Spellcast 01:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't done it already Spell I'll do that tomorrow.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:36, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contradiction

message: Re: "50 Cent, who has 10% ownership of glacéau, is expected to make $400 million after Coca Cola purchased the company for $4.1 billion.Walker, Verbal (March 25 2007). 50 Cent's Investment Makes Him Even Richer!. HipHopDX. Retrieved on May 27 2007."
I've seen a number of blog sources (non-verifiable) talk about how 50 Cent had a 10% stake in Glaceau and when Coca-Cola bought Vitamin Water, 50 Cent would receive over $400MM. There's simply nothing anywhere showing this to be true. 50 Cent did help create a flavor based on his name, but no official source talks about any ownership of the company or the size of the stake. A link to HipHopDX is included as a citation, but that's a blog. Anyone can write it. It seems this is being reverberated (see here) but not corroborated. I am deleting it off the page. The-bus 19:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was originally added here. The editor basically strung together a whole lot of info that didn't really flow well. So I reduced it to that sentence you showed above. I was also a bit skeptical of it at first. So unless there's a more reliable source, it shouldn't be added. Spellcast 23:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Glaceau / Vitamin Water Investment

message: Why isnt there a rapping technique section in this article like the one in The Notorious B.I.G. article.--Peterm1991 19:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is, it's just integrated. His "unflappable, laidback flow" and his "deceptively amateur-sounding tenor croon that he deploys on almost every chorus". Spellcast 22:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah it's good to integrate it. A stand alone section would probably draw a lot of OR from users who aren't familiar with WP:CITE.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rapping technique 

message: Since this was reverted a few times, I thought I'd get a concensus here. Should dates be added to the years he was active on each label? I prefer the format the way Template:infobox musical artist says to do, which is to omit parenthetical dates and save it for the main article, but not everyone may agree. Any thoughts on this? Spellcast 02:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Years shouldn'e be included, because on Mariah Carey and Sly & the Family Stone articles years aren't included, and the articles are featured articles. Daniil Maslyuk 06:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm sorry for removing previous labels. Yes, they should be included, just like on Mariah Carey, Elvis Presley, Madonna and Sly & the Family Stone articles. Daniil Maslyuk 06:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I noticed you added the dates again. The dates were originally removed by an admin here who cited the template format. Daniil Maslyuk and myself also concur with the template format, so unless anyone else disagrees, consensus is in favor towards its removal. Spellcast 12:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: I was just searching for like 20 mins for the Ghostface interview on SOHH.com where he discusses the 50 Cent beef but had no luck. If anyone here knows where it is we need it as a reference on there.Lilwyte 21:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you do find information, be sure to put it only in the G-Unit feuds page because the peer review says to keep contents short. For an article so close to a GA, this edit simply can't be included here. Spellcast 12:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What Spellcast said.  Tayquan hollaMy work 18:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  50/Ghostface 

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The clips talk about were he got shot, ja rule gettin' robbed and what snitchingis and he talk about censorship, cam'ron and master p.--Prisonbreak12345 14:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  youtube videos with really good info 

message: info on guy who shot him in 200
--Prisonbreak12345 16:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  guy who shot 50 cent 

message: I was looking over the ventures sections and I think the sub-headings are kind of unecessary. See Michael Jordan#Media figures and business interests and others. If we word it smoothly and use good transitions we should be able to just cover it in one section. Comments?  Tayquan hollaMy work 00:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go, go, go! Spellcast 05:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I started it using an opening sentence or two here and there to try and tie it together. Could use some tweaking. I moved the video game voice over into the second paragraph since I think that's technically acting, and all the acting stuff is in the second paragraph. Also maybe "Other ventures" or "Business ventures" might be a better title, just shooting out ideas.  Tayquan hollaMy work 18:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Sell I'm not surte those sentences you deleted were redundant, if you look at the Jordan or read Strunk and White (rules 9 & 10) the first sentence of a para is normally a sentence to establish the topic of a paragraph and help with flow. Since the three are pretty evenly divided as endorsements, acting, and writing I think they're necessary. Also I think the videogame thing is technically acting although that's debatable. What do you think?  Tayquan hollaMy work 22:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 50 said he spent 20 hours doing voice over and motion capture here, so I guess that's acting. And I removed those opening sentences here because on the Gwen Stefani page, it jumps straight into her non-musical ventures without really giving an overview. Anyway, if you want to add those opening sentences again, go ahead. I just thought it would be ok to jump right in. Spellcast 03:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it looks alright, as long as it seems to flow smoothly.  Tayquan hollaMy work 01:39, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ventures section

message: He was really only shot 3 times.the police report checks that out.Even a newspaper article proves it.Someone needs to change that lie.Somebody has to tell the truth.If you dont believe me go to smoking gun.com to see the police report
u dont understand, if read correctly it says on smoking gun he was shot three times on right (side of his body) which he was, besides, we cant go with it as too many other accounts cancel out, besides theres a bullet scar on his back, that makes it at least four - NJ Rock
It's not worth repeating all this again, but read the discussion above under 'Shooting numbers' and watch the video of him showing more wounds than what's said in The Smoking Gun. That source doesn't even show the full report. It says "three shots hit the victim on the right" and then the sentence gets cut off. 50 obviously wasn't only shot on the right side of his body when he shows a closeup wound on his left cheek. You can even see a dimple every time you look at his left cheek. To put it simply, this whole thing about him only being hit 3 times comes from people who just don't like the guy. Spellcast 14:37, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  shot 3 times 

message: http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21982577-5001026,00.html
Very obvious he's lipsyncing, especially when he's somehow talking while taking off his jacket. This should be added to the article immediately. This man is not a rapper, he's an opportunist taking us all for a ride.
- The Skunk 06:09, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would have been awkward. Someone even dedicated a whole section to it, but you have to think long-term perspective. This isn't going to be relevant ten years from now (see WP:RECENTISM). It's more suited towards Wikinews. Spellcast 23:13, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 50 Cent Caught Lipsyncing

message: Hi, There is a proposed WikiProject for G-Unit.
Please add your name to the list if you are interested.
See--WikiProject:G-Unit
Thanks--The-G-Unit-Boss 20:15, 23 June ,2007 
:There seems to be mixed reactions as to whether it warrants its own wikiproject. Has it been approved yet? Someone suggested it be called WikiProject:G-Unit Records because G-Unit only has four members. Spellcast 13:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject:G-Unit

message: 50cent was not shot nine time's he heard nine but was hit three times. There are medical records a ,news paper article and a police report to support this information.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.236.0.169 (talk • contribs).
*Hi, If you can provide some links to reliable sources an editor will be happy to fix it for you.
:Thanks
:--The-G-Unit-Boss 19:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The truth

message: I think Mobb Deep should stay an as associated act in the infobox and as well as my name goes i have made it into a different thing, i now go by bulletprof 50 cent and i am trying to get my group(G-unit) to keep up with it. This MTV source says they all had each others name tatted on their hands & wrists to apparently "prove their loyalty". Spellcast 04:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox

message: There's a mugshot picture of 50 Cent in a website holding onto a board which says his name and what date he was arrested: 8/23/94, which is 23rd August 1994. Someone should check the article of when he was arrested- SCB '92 14:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think mug shots are always taken on the same day someone gets arrested. The cited source says June 29, 1994 at 11:20am. He even talks about the incident in this memoir extract. Spellcast 18:35, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The mugshot was taken upon entrance into Monterey Shock Incarceration Correctional Facility. Check the NYS DOCS database. DiehardDanny 23:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arrest

message: :Since this was changed a couple of times, we need consensus on which image to use in the infobox out of these two: :Image:50-cent.jpg or :Image:50 cent retouched.png. I've changed it to the second because it's obviously more sharper. Feel free to comment. Spellcast 11:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that we should use :Image:50-cent.jpg because it shows more of him and also because the second one makes him look slightly fatter than he is. Just my opinion... --The-G-Unit-Boss 16:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I don't know about him looking fatter, but hopefully we get more replies to see which one's more suitable. Spellcast 16:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We should use the full size one since it shows what he completely looks like. Just my vote, though. Tiger white 23:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Either one will do. I like the smaller one, because it is more pleasing to the eyes (if anyone of you posts a gay joke I will hurt you :D).--Ted87 06:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I just wanted to get some consensus because the last thing we want is a lame edit war over a picture. Spellcast 12:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Hi, can somebody tell me where I can see the past peer reiew for the 50 Cent article.
This links -- Wikipedia:Peer review/50 Cent/archive1 -- just links back here.
Thanks
--The-G-Unit-Boss 16:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Try this link: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Peer review/50 Cent. Spellcast 19:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks, that worked. --The-G-Unit-Boss 20:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review