Talk:Jovan Vraniškovski

message: His name should be Vranishkovski with an h if I am not mistaken.  Blahblah5555 (talk) 21:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: untitled comment #2

message: :Zoran Vraniškovski → Jovan Vraniškovski — Jovan is his civil name in all official documents, here are just a few examples Document from the Court of R. Macedonia, Document from the European Court of Human Rights, US State Dept. 2008 Human Rights Report on Macedonia. Referring to him as Zoran is not only incorrect, but has most often the sole purpose to discredit him. Kpant (talk) 22:05, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He is born as Zoran Vraniškovski and he changed his name as Jovan when he was tonsured a monk. So if we use his secular Vraniškovski, we should use also the name he was baptized with - Zoran. If we use his clerical title for a title of the page (Archbishop Jovan), we should use the name he accepted after he was tonsured a monk and given a new name - Jovan. This Jovan Vraniškovski is a strange mixture between clerical and secular name (I understand Jovan is official now).--Алиса Селезньова (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil Name

message: Amnesty International declared Jovan Vraniskovskia prisoner of conscienceAmnesty International sees Jovan Vraniskovski a prisoner of conscience.
User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise tries not for the first time to remove that fact from the article, under the excuse of "Neutrality".
Kpant (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amnesty International declared Jovan Vraniskovski a "Prisoner of Conscience" 

message: User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise tends to promote his/hers point of view as the only "Neutral", without providing any arguments or evidence for the claims he/she states. A few examples:
* Changed the name of the prelate (and this article) to Zoran (instead of Jovan), although every published official state documentation proves that his name is Jovan.
* Attempts to nullify the fact that Jovan was declared a prisoner of conscience by Amnesty International
* States that Archbishop Jovan "decided to... enter in agreement with the Serbian church on his own account" although the very reference (he/she did not remove) clearly shows the signatures of all priests that agreed to the same, so it was far from on his own account.
* Tries to negate the fact that the Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric is the only canonical orthodox church in R. Macedonia, which is a fact acknowledged not only by all canonical orthodox churches, but on this Wikipedia too. If that is not WP:COATRACK I don't know what is.
* Twists the facts and statements at his/hers own will. One trivial example: changed the verdict statement from Instigation of ethnic, racial and religious hatred, discord and intolerance to inciting national, racial and religious hatred, schism and intolerance. Here's the actual verdict so see for yourselves...   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kpant (talk • contribs) 18:00, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pushing the Macedonian POV 

message: The canonical status of a church is represented not by its relation to the Macedonian Orthodox Church, which is itself not recognized by any other orthodox church, but with its relation to the unity of the other canonical churches worldwide, represented through the full communion with them.
Therefore insisting on description of the status of the Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric in relation to the MOC is tendentious and not objective.
Kpant (talk) 18:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ecclesiology 

message: OK, calm down - it looks as if both of you have removed references in your edits.  Might I suggest that you go to Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal for help via informal mediation. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:14, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please point out a single reference I removed. Kpant (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I have no time for mediation with tendentious single-purpose accounts who have evidently no interest in creating neutral coverage. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am new to wikipedia, and it's rather early to say whether my account is single-purpose. Had you been less aggressive I would have had the time to contribute more. I do tend to write on subjects that are of my interest and which I have a good knowledge of, as for me it is embarrassing to write about something I am not very familiar with. As for the neutrality - let the arguments speak for themselves. Kpant (talk) 19:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Opinion

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: Gbooks has "Jovan Vraniškovski" (22) and "Jovan VI of Ohrid" (0).--Zoupan 00:10, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

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