Talk:List of Federal Presidents of Austria

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message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was no consensus. While there's decent support for the move here, there was substantially less at the related discussion at List of Presidents of the United States, surely a higher traffic article on the English Wikipedia. This issue may need a more comprehensive discussion.Cúchullain t/c 15:02, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think its aesthetically better to have capitalized form of titles that include the word "President". I have no desire to entangle myself into a discussion about WP rules (in this case, MOS:CAPS), I just don't think it will look good without capitalization. That's one of the reasons why I reverted Dicklyon's edits on this matter last year. The other reason is, indeed, consistency. Dicklyon, if you decide to work on this issue in the future, you'll need to fix much more articles than "quite a few more", as you said: Literary countless of lists of presidents and other heads of states and governments on Wikipedia have capitalization. Its much better to leave it this way. --Sundostund (talk) 13:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not moved any of these pages, but I see now that Jojalozzo had been doing case fixes that you reverted; many of his "List of kings..." moves are still at the correct lower case per MOS:CAPS.  The amount of fixing to be done is not a big deal if people will let it happen.  Dicklyon (talk) 14:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Is there something relevant in a regional MOS?  I don't find anything.  Dicklyon (talk) 16:32, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Ben, you misunderstand my proviso: king, queen, president etc are upper case titles only when used with a person's name (e.g. "President Obama", "Emperor Napoleon") . Used alone or to describe a group of people (e.g. "the French president" or "the kings of France") they are common noun, lower case, job titles. My proviso addresses official names of a high office like "King of France" or "President of the United States of America". "List of presidents of the United States" is about a group of people who were presidents of the US. There is no need to capitalize "president" there. "List of queens and empresses of France" is about people who were queens and empresses, lower case, it's not about the official name of an office. Jojalozzo 16:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Particularly in Asia and Europe, I believe that it is NOT the practice in press-quality English to use lower-case for titles like Kings, Queens, Emperors and Empresses (even if prefixed by List of...). This is something that needs to be decided based on local (press) practices and commonsense rather than arbitrary Wikipedia rules. Why is President in List of Presidents of the United States capitalized, then? Surely the same applies to List of Church Fathers. And there's also Ladies (nobility). Some words are considered honorific titles rather than common nouns, and are always capitalized. I agree with Sundostund that there's no point in wheel-warring on US English vs. European: when in doubt, it's better to err on the side of treating other cultures, religions, whatever, with respect. The Chinese articles seem to be a mess — most use Emperor, but somebody has been changing Emperor to monarch in a few of them to remove the capitalization. Why doesn't someone change all references to President in American articles to monarch for the same reason? ;-) You might take a look at The Presidents, The First Ladies, Fellows, List of children of the Presidents of the United States, List of Presidential pets, List of Presidents of the United States with facial hair, Handedness of Presidents of the United States, List of Presidents of the United States Chess Federation, and so on... LittleBen (talk) 17:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not an academic journal or book published by a certain Chicago academic publisher, it surely needs to follow accepted international newspaper and book publishing norms — particularly as regards choice of article titles and capitalization of titles. This means doing adequate research and being flexible, rather than slavishly following rules. I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia to attempt to slavishly follow or clone a certain long, rambling, repetitive, poorly-organized, and overly-prescriptive Chicago academic style guide and impose it on the whole of English Wikipedia. In the real world, there are surely countries where you may be thrown in jail for not standing for the national anthem at the beginning of a movie, and any English-language media that dared to use lower-case e for Emperor might be shut down. LittleBen (talk) 02:08, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has its own style for titles as set out in Titles of people. If you disagree, I suggest you bring this up on the talk page there rather than arguing it here. Jojalozzo 03:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: LittleBen, I totally agree with everything what you said here. I really don't have anything more to add to your words, you already said everything. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 09:16, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sundostund, Thanks for the kind words. You might also be interested in adding your opinion to the related discussions  here and  here. LittleBen (talk) 15:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Note: The associated article at  was later converted to a redirect on 8 May 2018‎. —BarrelProof (talk) 19:52, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move