Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football Clubs/page name

message: From User_talk:SimonMayer:
Has someone had at you for the naming of the football club pages? Wikipedia's naming convention - which I'm way too lazy to find & link to here - would tend to suggest the full name should be used. I note that someone started a rather grim Grimsby Town Football Club entry, which I've recently NPOVd, hence discovering the wretchedness of the current naming of all the other club pages. I've got to suggest that if you want to prevent duplicate pages being added, you need to think in terms of adding a couple or more redirects per page - e.g. Manchester United -> Manchester United F.C. , Manchester United Football Club -> Manchester United F.C. . If you have to do this, you might think about the naming convention from scratch, and maybe move all the pages. If this has been discussed to death somewhere, please point me at it. best wishes --Tagishsimon
Response:
I've never heard any official debate on it, but ever since I found Wikipedia, originally as an anonymous user in late 2003, the system has pointed towards an F.C. suffix. For simplicity I tried to get all club information onto F.C. pages, using A.F.C. for some exceptions (such as Hull City A.F.C.).SimonMayer 03:29, 29 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments prior to creation of this page

message: The example club for these models will be Grimsby Town.
===Model 1===
Keep with the current system e.g. Grimsby Town F.C.
Exceptions: Clubs with an A.F.C. name ending e.g. Hull City A.F.C. also AFC Bournemouth, AFC Wimbledon and Runcorn FC Halton
====Advantages====
*Simplicity of keeping all articles in the same place
*Short and tidy name
*F.C. is a commonly accepted name ending
====Disadvantages====
*F.C. does not give the full detail of the club name
*Full stops can be inconvenient to type
*The final full stop may be missed out of a hyperlink in instant messenger programs or message boards, would link to Grimsby Town F.C
===Model 2===
Use the same model with no full stops e.g. Grimsby Town FC
Exceptions: same as Model 1, A.F.C. ending becomes AFC
====Advantages====
*Easier to type
*Shorter/tider than Model 1
*FC is commonly accepted, maybe more commonly accepted than F.C.
====Disadvantages====
*Does not give the full detail of the club name
*Lack of full stops - now fails to indicate an initialism
===Model 3===
Call all clubs by their commonly accepted "full name" e.g. Grimsby Town
Exceptions: Clubs with ambiguous names e.g. Barnsley, Chelsea
====Advantages====
*Many people would look directly for this page
====Disadvantages====
*Many exceptions and a lack of consistency
===Model 4===
<S>Use a new full name system e.g. Grimsby Town Football Club
Exceptions: A.F.C. clubs e.g. Hull City Association Football Club
====Advantages====
*Gives full detail of club name
====Disadvantages====
*Long name
**More prone to type errors
**Takes a lot of effort to type</S>
I think Model 4 is a complete non-starter. It was meant to be the same as what is now called 'Model 5'. I just made a mistake in the way I worded this section.<BR>SimonMayer 02:25, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Models

message: <S>Use a new full name system e.g. Grimsby Town Football Club
Exceptions: A.F.C. clubs e.g. Hull City Association Football Club
====Advantages====
*Gives full detail of club name
====Disadvantages====
*Long name
**More prone to type errors
**Takes a lot of effort to type</S>
I think Model 4 is a complete non-starter. It was meant to be the same as what is now called 'Model 5'. I just made a mistake in the way I worded this section.<BR>SimonMayer 02:25, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Model 4

message: *Long name
**More prone to type errors
**Takes a lot of effort to type</S>
I think Model 4 is a complete non-starter. It was meant to be the same as what is now called 'Model 5'. I just made a mistake in the way I worded this section.<BR>SimonMayer 02:25, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Disadvantages