Talk:Timothy Winter

message: Amongst Muslims AFAIK this is well known as anyone with a little research can discern ie http://masud.co.uk/ Masoud Khan's web page where there are titles such as by 'Abdal Hakim Murad' uder site content where the link says
"Abdal Hakim Murad graduated from Cambridge University with a double-first in Arabic in 1983. He then lived in Cairo for three years, studying Islam under traditional teachers at Al-Azhar, one of the oldest universities in the world. He went on to reside for three years in Jeddah, where he administered a commercial translation office and maintained close contact with Habib Ahmad Mashhur al-Haddad and other ulama from Hadramaut, Yemen.
In 1989, Shaikh Abdal Hakim returned to England and spent two years at the University of London learning Turkish and Farsi. Since 1992 he has been a doctoral student at Oxford University, specializing in the religious life of the early Ottoman Empire. He is currently Secretary of the Muslim Academic Trust (London) and Director of the Sunna Project at the Centre of Middle Eastern Studies at Cambridge University, which issues the first-ever scholarly Arabic editions of the major Hadith collections.
Shaikh Abdal Hakim is the translator of a number of works, including two volumes from Imam al-Ghazali's Ihya Ulum al-Din. He gives durus and halaqas from time to time and taught the works of Imam al-Ghazali at the Winter 1995 Deen Intensive Program in New Haven, CT. He appears frequently on BBC Radio and writes occasionally for a number of publications, including The Independent; Q-News International, Britain's premier Muslim Magazine; and Seasons, the semiacademic journal of Zaytuna Institute."
this is the same information on the Tim Winter page!.
In knowing him personally & he refers to himself as "Abdal-Hakim Murad" in his correspondence with me.
I don't understand the confusion or see why any further discussion has to be done, it's a moot point.
Salams!
Enthogenesis 18:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be joined with "Abdal-Hakim Murad" 

message: The majority (more than half) of this article appears to be OR...in some cases, the citation is just a link to the Masud.co.uk site, which doesn't provide any information up front for the reader.  A lot of this appears to be a quote farm as well; a long list of his positions on various issues isn't wholly relevant or helpful to learning about the guy.  I think this article needs attention from an expert on his life, because the biographical information is also lacking; there's not much about his early life and parts about his education could probably be expanded as well. MezzoMezzo 14:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improper referencing

message: article states sufi -
but this website:
http://masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/index.htm
states sunni:
"Abdal Hakim Murad, a Sunni Muslim..."
needs resolving?
if updated, this individual should also be removed from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_Islam  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.115.103 (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sufism is a subcategory of Sunni, so calling him Sunni is being general while saying Sufi would be specific. As far as I know, the subject identifies with both in interviews and mainstream publications and there isn't a contradiction there. MezzoMezzo (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  sunni or sufi? 

message: Figure it out here in discussion. Ask for community input if you can't settle your differences. --Tznkai (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit war 

message: Figure it out here in discussion. Ask for community input if you can't settle your differences. --Tznkai (talk) 05:07, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  edit war 

message: User:Roscelese removed accurately quoted text because, she asserts, it is no longer hosted on “the subject’s site”. Yet it is hosted there. With no disrespect to her, she is mistaken. Here’s the link:
http://masud.co.uk/cms/sheikh-abdal-hakim-murad/the-fall-of-the-family-part-i-and-ii/
It is also located elsewhere on the internet, as shown in the link I provided in the edit summary.
Please leave it now. Thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 06:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I see - I took for correct the article's statement that it had been taken down. Regardless, it's improper, as I pointed out, to cherry-pick from primary sources, especially where BLP is concerned. Have secondary sources written about this essay? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 14:32, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fall of the Family article 

message: Yesterday I piped Al-Azhar university thus: Al-Azhar University, Cairo for symmetry with the other establishments listed ie  Pembroke College Cambridge and SOAS, University of London. You reverted this today. Can you explain why please?  Roger Davies talk 11:59, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear Roger Davies, I hope you are well. I reverted this because it is entirely unnecessary to add Cairo to Al Azhar University. It has a wikilink so anyone can go to its own page. Does one have to add "Manchester" after "Salford University"? Nope. Sorry that you disagree. It isn't personal. I'm happy to see if other editors agree or disagree with me (and you). Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:37, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi User:GorgeCustersSabre - I haven't edited this article for almost 6 years, but thought I'd chime in here. Although technically you are right, I agree with Roger - the other University article titles make it clear where they are without clicking on their links, and piping Cairo would be of benefit to our readers. Doug Weller (talk) 10:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I will say I definitely support your goal to  "reduce the excessive use of the honorifics / titles which clutter some pages (Sir, Lord, Hon., Dr, Rev, Hon, Shaykh, Maulana, Imam etc etc)." Doug Weller (talk) 11:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

text:  [EC]  You seem to mixing up piped links (where it is customary to add extra material) and article names, which are by design minimal. You have also ignored the point I made about symmetry. Stating that Pembroke College is in Oxford, and SOAS is in London, begs the question: where is Al Azher University? We do not have to add the information about Al Azher University's location, but doing so is a courtesy to the reader (who may not know).  Roger Davies talk 10:59, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

text:  Dear Roger Davies, you are mistaken' SOAS is PART of the University of London. Pembroke College is Part of Oxford University. The city names are not included, but the university names are. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 06:06, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:   I'm not mistaken at all. The names include the universities' names, which are also the geographical locations. (Which is also the case with Salford University; it's in the City of Salford, part of Greater Manchester.) It would be a courtesy to the reader in this instance if the Al-Azhar University link piped the geographical location, to supply context. As a simple example, there's an Al-Azhar University College in the UK, which could otherwise - in a list of UK institutions - easily be confused. Anyhow, ramadan mubarak.  Roger Davies talk 08:21, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary? 

message: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/muwo.12475?af=R
I'll try to work this in at some point. Prezbo (talk) 14:16, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addl source on Traditionalism/Evola