Talk:Kimbo Slice/Archive 1

message: Someone at PSU really enjoys vandalizing Kimbo's article. TigerDigm 19:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennsylvania State University 

message: Vandalism aside, this article has major issues. I would propose a fairly hefty cull. In my opinion there is no need to go into so much detail on what is a barely notable subject. The lengthy fight descriptions partiuularly need to go. Plus almost all of it is unverifiable, most sources (including my own I admit) are from Interest message boards. Any thoughts? Stu ’Bout ye! 18:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the article is speculation, and not very well formatted, but the subject is an internet phenomenon, and I'm sure some people appreciate the information found on here.  I agree that some of the information should be culled from the article, but the problem then arises as to how far does the edit go? If one asks for cited sources, we arrive back at the misinformation from message boards.  I wonder if anyone has ever tried to contact some of his alleged affiliated websites to request a valid bio for Kimbo? TigerDigm 18:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an idea, but I don't think we want to be using any of those websites as a trusted source! This article gets more and more rubbish added to it weekly. People may appreciate the running commentary on all of his fights, but that doesn't make it notable. Apart from that, it's a WP:V nightmare. Stu ’Bout ye! 10:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cull 

message: This isn't that note worthy of a subject, there is not alot of proven facts, and it is poorly written.
I move for deletion.
:S-I-G-N---Y-O-U-R---P-O-S-T-S!!! While I don't think we should delete this, I think we should get it more organized. --CanesOL79 00:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs to go. 

message: The link labeled "Kimbo v. Rasta" leads the viewer to a site which also features pornography.
Also, I think the video which this link leads to was his first fight.
:I've deleted three of the current links and added a link to youtube that lists all of the fights. Two of the links I deleted are inaccessible to a lot of users as they contain adult content. Stu ’Bout ye! 08:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link 

message: I've removed the parodies section as this isn't notable. If anyone can tell why it is, I'm happy to revert. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parodies 

message: i for one can say that i'm euphoric this article survived AfD. here is why: i, too, am named kevin ferguson. i couldn't be happier to type my name into wikipedia and find out that i share names with kimbo slice. --Friendship hurricane 06:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  articles for deletion 

message: I heard that the eye that was shown in the first fight was fake.  I know that somebody from his entourage claimed that the eye was not fake, but apparently, there are people who say they know the guy or were witnesses to the fake wound.  I do not know, so I am just asking if anybody knows for sure or not. RyanDaniel 16:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumor verification 

message: This article is a complete mess. I'm actually sad to say it is one of the articles I edit most on Wikipedia, according to one of the edit counters. As I've mentioned before, the biggest problem is verifiability. Despite a fairly extensive search, the only reliable source I have found is the Rolling Stone article already stated in the 2nd paragraph. I may be bold and remove everything except what that article mentions. I'll see what people's thoughts are. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and did it. Anything added to the article from now on should be referenced from reliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 12:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see how you think it is appropriate to remove all that content, when the fights, etc. can obviously be seen all over the net and other stuff you removed is referenced. --Mista-X 13:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read WP:V and WP:RS. None of the references provided (youtube, message boards, amateur MMA sites} are reliable. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are using a technicality out of context, but I'll take a look. In any case, you know it's B.S. --Mista-X 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Procedure isn't a technicality. Wikipedia's procedures and policies are there to protect the project. I do think they go too far sometimes, but in this case an article was almost wholly based on message boards and unreliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps I missunderstood why youtube is not to be used; I had thought it was because of copyright issues. But in this case, it seems pretty much like a reliable source. You can't really argue with video. Then again, is it necessary to describe every fight in the article? I'm sure we can find away to improve the article in other ways... --Mista-X 12:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The editing of this Kimbo Slice reference has gone too far.  Now the reference is negligible to the point where there's no purpose of even having it.  I agree that all the details of the fights do not need to be interpreted, but the basic facts should be included, i.e. the fighters, their stats and the results, not because every fighter should have all their fights listed, but only because Kimbo Slice is an internet phenomenon, popular culture, and any information about him and his fights is desired by those seeking further reference.  Also there were several links removed that are reasonably reputable such as the links to the subfighter.com news articles I posted and also the references to Kimbo's work with MILF and VIP which I bothered to included a link to an interesting photo of him on the site and for which a Wikipedia entry exists and was linked.  The reference that Gannon posted and Kimbo's manager posted were also reliable.  It seems most of this editing has been done by someone that has not done their research, is not familiar with the fighters and the fighting scene and therefore does not know the actual account names that they do in fact post with in fighting forums, nor which forums are reputable.  In the end, a useful resource for information on Kimbo Slice has been turned into a pointless blurb. Sempi 11:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impossible to verify 

message: I think editors are going overboard deleting legitmate fan generated websites (specifically www.kimbofightvideo.com which are exactly what users are looking for when they come across the wikipedia entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.71.74.68 (talk • contribs).
:See Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. A link to a offical website of Kimbo Slice is a different matter than fansites and other websites. If there is a official website then please link to it. --Oden 15:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried looking for "Kimbo Slice" at IMDb, Yahoo! Movies and the Notable Names database without finding any entries. --Oden 15:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  links and fan websites 

message: I removed all times the article called him by his first name and changed it to his last name. Encyclopedias don't use first names except to distinguish people with the same last name. -CRouleau 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  last name vs. first name 

message: The constant abuse of this article is out of hand. I have requested semi-protect at: Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_protection --Mista-X 10:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection 

message: The career information written for Kimbo seems to focus more on the fortunes of Steve Gannon instead, perhaps this should apply more to Gannons page and not this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TwistedArcade (talk • contribs) 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This poor article has been heavily pruned to only verifiable information.  The fact that the UFC picked up Gannon due to the Slice video is one of the only verifiable facts about Slice we have that helps establish his notability.  I think it should stay, but there is regrettably a dearth of reliable information about Slice himself, which makes the article nearly as much about Gannon as it is about Slice. -SpuriousQ (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Career information 

message: User:167.206.211.125 continues to replace the SublimeDirectory.com video link with one to a "Kimbo fansite", arguing that "Sublime Directory is an advertising site, not operated by subject." As I've explained above it's quite clear that Sublime is the official source of these videos.  Observe the "SublimeDirectory.com" watermark at the bottom right of the videos on the fansite, see Kimbo's team giving "Big Mac" a Sublime Directory t-shirt in the last five seconds of that video, and notice that SublimeDirectory is the only site where the videos are high quality WMVs instead of low quality Flash videos derived from them.  The fansite consists only of embedded links to YouTube videos, one of which is currently dead, having been removed from YouTube.  The evidence strongly indicates SublimeDirectory is the site we ought to link to, if we link to any video site at all. (I'm aware that all of this borders on WP:NOR and am beginning to consider that the subject of this article does not satisfy WP:BIO.) -SpuriousQ (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official video site 

message: I can't help noticing that this article is written in a decidedly overdramatized way, as well as showing a marked favoritism towards Slice. My favorite bit is "Some get degrees in jail. Others find God. Kimbo found street fighting." Can anyone please write better than that?
MatthewLiberal 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Written like a magazine article 

message: "All day.......all day." 
"Thats how a nigga eat!" (after beating Byrd watkins)
"Fuck that nigga lets run this!" (in response to Byrd watkins asking to grapple)
"South beat baby, south beat records all day!" 
"Thats it? It cant be over, im just warmin up!" (after beating Rasta)
* Send it to wikiquote if you think it's notable otherwise if it's put in I'll delete it. Let those guys  Over there figure it out.--M8v2 17:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Quotes? 

message: Seriously this man is a phenomenon. The bare knuckle fighting may not appeal to you, and it doesn't have to. Either way, this man is a hard worker and deserves this article about him on Wiki. Side note... this man is utterly down to Earth... watch him always shake hands with his opponents after beating them mercilessly.
*I'm a hard worker, do i deserve a wikipedia article? Down to earth my ass he doesn't always shake hands and if he was so down to earth he would have accepted and admitted that Gannon beat him?--M8v2 17:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This man is a Legend 

message: how about some stats for each of his opponents along with kimbo himself?  these are all taken from sublime directory.
Kimbo Slice:    6'2" 260
<<<Opponents>>>
Byrd Watkins:   6'1" 270 
Rasta:          6'0" 240
Afropuff:       6'5" 300
Big Mac:       5'11" 300
Adryan:         6'1" 240
Sean Gannon:    6'3" 305
The Bouncer:    6'3" 300
Where  did  ppl  get  the Justin   Berkley  info?
Oh  come  n where  are  people  getting  all  these  fighters names  from  out?
the order of the fight are wrong he faught watkins first then gannon then dreads then airfropuff then bigmac then adryn then the bouncer because if u watch his under card fights you can see dreads and big mac walking around in the back so pay close atttention and can we start a page about ray he did get his ass whooped but he deserves a pageTennisakin 03:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  lets get a little longer article 

message: I cannot find one source to support that a) Kimbo fought this guy or b) that Kimbo lost to him.  I am going to delete it if no source is provided.  Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is Don Schulte 

message: I have been a supporter of this article from the beginning but acknowledge that the sources have been poor and the article has survived by the skin of its teeth even though we all have seen his fights on youtube. But now he now has a PPV fight against a former world champion boxer. See here for further details. This should give us plenty of references from reliable sources to ensure that we can now put the WP:N issues to bed.--Vintagekits 12:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something concrete to back the article up 

message: I took the liberty of creating a page for the event itself that Kimbo will be fighting in against Ray Mercer. I did the best I could and I think it's pretty good for my first attempt at creating a page. Though I would appreciate some help with it. Adding to it, making corrections, making it just look better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_Fury_Fighting_Championships_5 UnknownToaster 02:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The PPV Event: CFFC 5 

message: I think there needs to be more reliable sources on his opponents stats, other than the Sublime Directory videos themselves. I for one don't believe any of those fighters were 300 pounds and SD have edited videos in Kimbos favour in the past. I don't think there various weights should be listed without proper reference. Anyone else?  83.147.138.161 04:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Verification of info on Kimbos earlier fights 

message: Alright CFFC has put a video up on their website which is basically an interview with Kimbo Slice. Not professionally done unfortunately but it's a start to some factual information about the man. I am having trouble making out what he says at times so if someone can make it out better than i can and see there is some mistake in the wiki that uses the video as the source please correct it and mention the correction here. Video Interview: http://www.cagefuryfighting.com/kimbo_interview.php UnknownToaster 20:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo Video Intervew Prior to CFFC 5 Event 

message: KIMBO DID SERVE A PRISION TERM IN FLORIDA  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.56.132 (talk) 23:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You need citations to back that up.  Mr. C.C. (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The above-referenced website is not a citation confirming the prison sentence, it merely repeats what other "MMA sites" have said.  Until there is actual confirmation (and it should be in the public record if true. If anyone wants to pay $50 they can do a background check) any reference to  him serving jail time should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.60.230 (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  PRISON 

message: does the page mean he went to Miami on an athletic scholarship but didn't play football? If not, then the two facts about academics and football don't belong in the same sentence
I haven't ever seen a source supporting that he had an academic scholarship to the U.  Why is this information still included in the article? --Justinmhill (talk) 21:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  University of Miami 

message: Why can't you guys just compromise somehow and list an official record with an asterisk or sidenote that he has one (1) win in a Professional Exhibition match?  Just a suggestion.G0dsweed 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: G0dsweed has made the most sensible suggestion yet, unless I hear objections next time I see his change i'll be WP:BOLD --Nate1481( t/c) 10:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because project guidelines and common sense dictate not to list non-professional bouts.  east.718 at 17:44, August 21, 2007 
Project guidelines are just that--guides, not rules or hard fast laws.  This debate has been going on now for 2 months without any resolution.  I think (and we need to have more people's input here) that what I have suggested would stop all this back and forth.  Also, unless Wikipedia has started to not even use its own definitions of things (see Professional#Sport ), this bout makes Kimbo a professional, and this match a Professional Exhibition.  I think most of us know that exhibition matches do not qualify as official records, but at least if we put up the info the way I have suggested (or something similar) that may stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from coming by and changing the page without consulting this looooong debate people have been having. G0dsweed 18:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I am entirely opposed to doing that.  It was not a professional fight so don't list it in his record.  The mention of his sanctioned debut enough. Thesaddestday 00:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It was a regulated fight he took part in so deserves a mention, if can be sourced it should be mentioned. Not saying that the record dose not include the fight if a bad idea as it leaves it ambiguous, note the suggestion was not to include it but just to acknowledge it. p.s. why are you so adamant on this? --Nate1481( t/c) 08:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it was an exhibition fight, not a pro fight.  There is a difference. Like I said, mention of the fight in the article is enough, but adding the number in there is misleading. Thesaddestday 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I see that there is no fight record displayed now. Was that the compromise? If so, once he starts having some other professional fights, people are going to want his record in there, and some type of compromise will be needed. (Cardsplayer4life 06:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Also, why was the bareknuckle fighting chart of fights removed? (Cardsplayer4life 06:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genius 

message: This is just some guy who beat up a bunch of average joes on internet videos. He got his ass handed to him the one time he actually faught someone with an ounce of skill. --68.149.181.145 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Get with the times man, he had a sanctioned MMA bout and is set to have another one against MMA legend Tank Abbot! UnknownToaster 02:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Hey man, Pokemon is srs business.... Don't talk crap about about Pokemon...... 70.71.69.224 (talk) 17:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject not noteworthy enough to warrant an article 

message: Since the graphics of the Mercer fight list Kimbo as being 33 years old, I'm going to change his birth date to circa 1974.Ulpian 17:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This was a mistake, the announcer said this. UnknownToaster 18:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, thanks for the correction.Ulpian 13:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem! Forgot to sign the first one gonna sign it now I suppose x.X UnknownToaster 17:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Is 240 his official weigh-in weight? I haven't seem the Mercer fight, maybe he slimmed down, but Kimbo looks a bit heavier than 240. The sublime directory has his weight at 260. Just wondering where the 240 came from. Turtlescrubber 00:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight 

message: There's no way Kimbo is 6'2. He barely appeared taller than 5'11 Ken Shamrock standing right next to him. He's 6 feet and a half at best.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.166.18 (talk) 14:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height 

message: There's way too much attention on the Kimbo vs. Gannon fight. That is long forgotten and was not the most notable fight of his. His fight with Bird was.
MMAfan2007 22:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive info 

message: As the latest uploaded image is about to be deleted, I have asked a Flickr user if they would be willing to change the licence on photos he took at the Mercer fight. Its a Creative Commons licence at the minute, but with a non-commercial right reserved which would have to be removed to be used here. If I forgot to check to see if he responds here's where I asked him. Stu ’Bout ye! 11:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Since this discussion's going around in circles, I've boldly gone ahead and done something. Since the record is a point of contention and is explained in the text as prose, and putting in a fighting style would be original research, I've changed up to the  template. Don't laugh, I know what it should be used for.  east.718  00:29, August 18, 2007 
:Sounds like a good idea East. Thesaddestday 01:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly not the best solution, but hopefully some forced discussion with nothing on the page will help to establish some consensus.  east.718  05:29, August 18, 2007 
I don't think their is real origin for Kimbo's fighting style, it is just stand up bareknuckle boxing with the use of elbows, their is no allowence for the use of an elbow in fisty cuffs.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.34.129 (talk) 07:59, August 21, 2007 (UTC) 
In the recent match against Thompson on network television, he was introduced as being a brawler. Now, i realize this is probably OR, but if somebody could find a source on that? It seems more accurate then "boxing" or "fisticuffs" at any rate.
172.164.16.91 (talk) 01:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbitrary break

message: Kimbo Slice is notable because of one thing: barenuckle boxing.  His barenuckle boxing career is thus relevant to the entry, just as other boxers have their previous fights and results listed.  The problem is that the fight details and results were never referenced, so editors would sometimes remove them altogether since there wasn't a proper citation.  Wikipedia doesn't allow Youtube videos as references, nor does it allow videos to be used as external links or references if they do not appear on the site held by the video's copyright owner.  Sublime Directory owns all rights to every Kimbo barenuckle fight (plus they wear Sublime Directory shirts in the videos), which is why the videos contain all fight details (fighter height, weight, names, etc).  The fight record is relevant to the entry, and it needs a source, and the only source that supports the fight details is the website of the video copyright owners. It's a perfectly acceptable reference, just like TMZ.com was (as the copyright holders) for the infamous "Kramer" video.  To remove the fight record and its reference is blatant vandalism. KimboSlice 03:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a pretty fucked up thing to do to call me a vandal over and over again. You have been reverted by four or five other editors. You are the one vandalizing this page by adding porn links over and over again. It's not a reference but a link to a porn site that hosts illegal videos. Who knows if it's official or not. Nobody wants your commercial porn link on this page so please stop adding it. And change your name as you are not kimbo slice. Turtlescrubber 03:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a vandal that apparently has vandalized a number of political entries (hence the constant revisions against you sitewide and the comments by other contributors).  You are also making personal attacks at this point, which is against Wiki policy, if you continue I will have to report you.  The site owns the copyrights to the videos, end of story.  Whether or not you are personally happy with the other content that appears on the website is completely irrelevant, as playboy.com, hustler.com and countless other websites with nudity and content that people consider "porn" are used as references on wikipedia.  If another reference was available, we could use it, but seeing as one isn't, it makes sense to use the actual source of the videos which owns those copyrights.  Furthermore you don't know who I am, and that in itself is also irrelevant as to how an article is sourced. KimboSlice 03:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Personal attack? You are the only one making personal attacks. Please report me. You will be reverted by other editors as you have been in the past.Turtlescrubber 03:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have also violated the 3rr. Please stop editing the page for 24 hours as no one likes your edit war. Thanks;) Turtlescrubber 03:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Please continue this discussion on that talk page, not mine, that way everyone who edits the article in the future can see the discussion. There's nothing to indicate that it's unreliable, though. KimboSlice 17:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The link is to a porn site. Therefore, the site is hardly reliable, and you can't use it for citations. You've been repeatedly warned against adding this, please stop! Gscshoyru 17:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless someone here can post an actual Wikipedia rule which states that a site that contains pornography can't be used as a reliable reference, there is no reason to remove the reference for his fight record.  As of yet, no one has actually provided any evidence that such a site is deemed not reliable by Wikipedia's rules of what can and can't be used as a reference.  There is a good reason why the videos are located on a site that coincidentally contains pornography: Kimbo worked for RK Netmedia, a porn company, he also appears in videos for "In The VIP".  Sublime Directory is the site of one of the RK cameramen, which is why the site contains every Kimbo fight with full details and their own watermarks (and not that of another site).  The cameraman and Kimbo even offer Sublime Directory shirts to beaten opponents, its in the videos.  Because it's filmed under the name Sublime Directory, the videos are their copyrighted works, as opposed to that of RK or another entity.  So its not unusual that the videos appear on a site with pornography, considering the only camera man Kimbo allows to film his fights is one associated with the Porn company that he worked for while these fights were taking place.  This should clear up what distinguishes Sublime Directory from other sites, in the meantime, someone should post the rule about porn sites being unreliable references if this is indeed the case, because I have yet to see evidence otherwise. KimboSlice 17:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of whether it's a pornography site, the site isn't reliable. That being said, the pornography that people see when they click on the link doesn't help your case, either. Please see the relevant wikipedia policy concerning reliable sources. Everything you say in your argument is conjecture unless you can prove otherwise and the burden of proof lays squarely on your shoulders. In any case, a little known porn site hosting illegal fight videos is nowhere near reliable and even if it were, would not be the ideal site to link to. This opens up wikipedia to charges of copyright violation and other legal entanglements. Please read over the appropriate wikipedia policies and see if you can understand why you are constantly reverted. Then think about changing your username as it is grossly inappropriate to use when you are editing this page.  Also, if you have any connection or are benefiting monetarily by linking to this commercial site, realize that is also a violation of wikipedia policy. Turtlescrubber 21:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

text: (edit conflict) See WP:V and WP:RS. Though not explicitly mentioned, commercial porn sites are not valid sources, unless the article has to do with them. Your sources are not reliable or verifiable. Gscshoyru 21:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, to Turtlescrubber's comments: "a little known porn site hosting illegal fight videos is nowhere near reliable".  Out of millions of sites on the web, SublimeDirectory.com ranks in the top 5,000 websites online in terms of traffic (source: Alexa.com), so it is clearly a known and established website.  Second, the fighting takes place on private property and isn't illegal, which is why Gannon (a Boston police officer) was able to fight without losing his job.  "even if it were, would not be the ideal site to link to" - this is completely POV and has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy.  What we have is one of the most visited sites in the world, with copyrighted videos of activity between willing participants that isn't illegal, I fail to see how that makes the site unreliable.  And to Gscshoyru: "Though not explicitly mentioned, commercial porn sites are not valid sources", you have just admitted that sites containing porn are not mentioned in Wikipedia's rules of what can be referenced, but rather that you feel that they aren't reliable.  You're knowingly vandalizing the page with every edit that you make. KimboSlice 21:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure he meant the videos being online was illegal, not the fights themselves. Second of all, read the policy. It can't list every possible source that's not reliable, but it can explain what makes something reliable, and it does. That webpage falls very, very far of the mark. Gscshoyru 21:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, who owns the copyright? But before you answer that, prove it. Also, change your name. Oh, and then prove that the page in question qualifies as a reliable source. Conversation over. Get to it. Turtlescrubber 21:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fight Record 

message: I have protected this article for twelve hours due to disruptive edits.  Editors are reminded to avoid edit wars at all costs, and to discuss disputed edits on the talk page before reverting.  Editors who continue to revert without discussion will be blocked.
Cheers! — madman bum and angel 04:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is such protection still appropriate in February 2008? 68.229.184.37 (talk) 09:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Protected 

message: He is scheduled to fight James Thompson, source: http://mmamania.com/2008/04/02/kimbo-slice-vs-james-thompson-cbs-saturday-night-fights-main-event-booked/
Can someone edit this in when the article is unlocked.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.123.162 (talk) 18:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated the article and citation to reflect this. --Ubiq (talk) 06:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with the two above comments.  Anyone have a reference for the "questionable tactics."  I will tag it.  Thanks.  --DreamsAreMadeOf (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming fight against James Thompson 

message: It should be included in the article Kimbo had a role in the movie Blood and Bone staring Michael Jai White, and also includes other MMA fights Bob Sapp, and Gina Carano.   IMDB profile: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346631/ and trailer to movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0IViBu1cEc  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 21:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOVIE 

message: "Although Slice was defeated by Gannon and his questionable tactics..."
i saw the video and didnt see any questionable tactics by gannon, I just saw a bunch of Kimbo's buddies jump in and seperate them anytime it looked like he was about to lose. Which still resulted in him being downed pretty much consistantly at the end. Anybody care to cite the fact that questionable tactics were used?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.58.116 (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the two above comments.  Anyone have a reference for the "questionable tactics."  I will tag it.  Thanks.  --DreamsAreMadeOf (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questionable Tactics 

message: I have 2 issues with this article about Kimbo Slice. The first thing is that there is an error in the article. The way it reads, it suggests that Bas Rutten trained Kimbo when Kimbo was fighting on the streets. This is incorrect, Bas Rutten only started training him when he left street fighting days behind. Logically, would someone like Bas Rutten sanction street fights?!  Secondly, I think its ridiculous that there is nothing in the article about the fact the Kimbo is a convicted felon. He is quoted as saying that he "learnt how to fight in prison'.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.35.119 (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is Wikipedia.  If you think those edits are legit, then edit the article. Austinmayor (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm 99% sure you're right on the Ruten issue, but i'm at work and can't check all the refs.  I'll try to get to it when I get home if no one beats me to it.  On the convicted felon part we need to keep in mind WP:BLP.  To add that, it not only needs to be true, but it needs to be backed up with an iron clad source.  If we have that then it probably has a place in his background, but not without a clear reliable source reference.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to move the Ruten sentance.  Feel free to advise if it could be done better.--Cube lurker (talk) 01:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have 2 issues... 

message: I believe it is noteworthy to mention the post fight press conference.  Fellow heavyweight Brett Rogers said Kimbos performance was garbage, looked right at Kimbo anbd said "you know you tapped".  Kimbo stood up and said "That sounds like a challenge to me, dog".  Promoter Gary Shaw stood in between them and ordered them to back off, saying "We'll do it in the cage".    This video is available on numerous sources including Sherdog, YouTube, and MMANews.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press Conference Confrontation 

message: Kimbo said on a radio show he will fight Rogers, likely in October.  Here is the link to the radio station- in the center column, click on "Kimbo Slice" and you can hear the full interview. 
http://www.790theticket.com/shows.php?show=The+Dan+Le+Batard+Show+with+Stugotz#   
EliteXC promoter acknowledges Kimbo vs Rogers likely for October http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=13088
*This information needs to be corrected.  That fight was in the negotiating stage along with Sean Gannon and Ken Shamrock.  Sherdog.com has just confirmed that the fight will be Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock and that Elite XC has both fighters signed.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/shamrock-gets-next-shot-at-slice-14185
Unak78 (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo vs Brett Rogers 

message: ABC telecasted EliteXC Fights on October 4th, 2008 . 
The main event was scheduled to be Kimbo Slice v Ken Shamrock. Ken Shamrock did not show/fight for a reason of a cut to the left eye during warm up to the main event.
Kimbo was TKOed on the 1st round 14 second by a jab to the jaw. The fight was stopped. His record is now 3 Wins, 1 lost.
I am one of one, I am the only One. (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo Slice v Seth 'Silverback' Petrucelli 

message: In The Article of Kimbo Slice fights, It says he was TKO'ed but he was really Disqualified and I think wiki should change that up cause Kimbo was Beasting on the other guy.
:The official result is a TKO. --aktsu (t / c) 05:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo Slice Was Disqualified NOT TKO 

message: Please remove the sentence "The 'Kimbo Slice bandwagon' is officially over". 66.57.44.247 (talk) 20:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Blah, never mind. 66.57.44.247 (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden vandalism 

message: Umm it says he won against Ray Mercer in the the Pro-Exhibition match, he actually lost against Mercer. So yeah, change to "lost"
(124.169.16.233 (talk) 13:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No he didn't. He won. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 14:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Mercer Fight 

message: He has a role in this movie i think it should be added. Thanks!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.64.154 (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  drake and josh christmas movie 

message: Ummh, yeah isn't Kimbo Slice in the Drake & Josh Christmas Special?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.56.40 (talk) 02:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drake & Josh 

message: If Kimbo was born in the Bahamas shouldnt his flagicon be Bahamas User:Sepulwiki 20:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo's Flagicon 

message: Strikeforce did buy up a bunch of EliteCX's assets, but there are several fighters who's contracts are still outstanding.  I have not seen anything reported on Kimbo Slice contract.  If no citation can be found regarding this then the Strikeforce should be removed until something is offical with Kimbo Slice's contract (Justinsane15 (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strikeforce 

message: Someone remove the link to this scam at last, please...
And when you're busy doing that also remove the Charlie Zelenoff wiki-entry...
Doesn't anybody notice? He is a SCAM. FAKE.
gee...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.20.37.176 (talk) 04:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, Zelenoff is very much for real. He is probably the opposite to Slice but their are paralells between the two and the link is valid - IMO.--Vintagekits (talk) 10:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop creating links to the Zelenoff spoof page. It was amusing for about 1 minute.Lordvolton (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Charlie Zelenoff]] 

message: Why do we need an external link to a porn site in the article. Could somebody remove the sublimedirectory.com link. 173.73.6.197 (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: --aktsu (t / c) 11:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. 173.73.6.197 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Porn Site 

message: On Sherdog.com and ESPN it was annouced that Kimbo will be on the Ultimate Fighter 10. Could we add this to the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwardj (talk • contribs) 
:There is already mention of it in the intro to the article.  --TreyGeek (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ulimate Fighter 10 

message: I recently added a small line regarding Kimbo's appearance in an ad and tried to keep it neutral as possible. However if the direct link to Symantec's website hosting the video is inappropriate there is a copy of the advertisement on youtube [here]. Please feel free to replace the citation if necessary! Vince Navarro (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antivirus advertisement 

message: Ultimate fighter fights are not treated as professional matches they are exhibition matches, would someone please remove the roy nelson fight from kimbos record as it does not belong long there.
Yea i agree , it is an exhibition match therefor remove it from the record please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.124.66 (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  MMA record 

message: He is Bahamian and not an American.  This information should be changed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.178.168 (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see this here. From what I've read, I am pretty sure that he is an American citizen but I have no idea of his citizenship status in the Bahamas. Has anyone seen a reliable source that states he has dual citizenship? Until then, I've removed the Bahama flag under nationality as this is a BLP article. BrendanFrye (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

text: That's cool. I've never doubted that he was born in the Bahamas. But is he a citizen of the Bahamas? I honestly do not know how the citizenship laws work in the Bahamas and have never seen that referenced anywhere. Going by the sources that I have read, he is an American citizen only. BrendanFrye (talk) 19:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  he could have been a dual citizen until his 21 birthday, at which point he as to choose.Whatzinaname (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citizenship 

message: Can someone please edit the article. Not only is a reference not provided, but anyone watching the post-fight interview with Dana White (who runs the UFC) can see that he has only said "he probably will be cut" rather than he is cut. It will all depend on the Pay Per View buy-in amounts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.152.87 (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Times confirmed it  AcePuppy (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not cut from the UFC yet 

message: There are rumors that Kimbo Slice may be a contestant on the next season of Survivor: Nicaragua. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.26.48 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 25 May 2010‎ (UTC)
:1) Rumors do not belong on Wikipedia.
:2) Should this become fact, provide a reliable source.
:--TreyGeek (talk) 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimbo Slice on Survivor 

message: Opponent      	Height              	Weight	Fight	Winner
(Big D)       	6 ft 1 in 	270   	#1   	Kimbo
Rasta (Dreads)	6 ft 0 in 	240   	#2   	Kimbo
Sean Gannon   	6 ft 3 in 	265   	#3   	Gannon
Afro Puff     	6 ft 5 in 	300   	#4   	Kimbo
Big Mac       	5 ft 11 in	300   	#5   	Kimbo
Adryan        	6 ft 1 in 	240   	#6   	Kimbo
The Bouncer   	6 ft 3 in 	300   	#7   	Kimbo
Chico         	6 ft 4 in 	240   	#8   	Kimbo
Leondegrance (talk) 04:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bare-knuckle boxing career<ref>{{cite web
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|first=Sublime
|last=Directory
|title=Official Kimbo Fight Videos
|accessdate=2007-09-18
|publisher=[[Sublime Directory]]
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message: In the Filmography section, Locked Down links to a single from the Norwegian band Turbonegro. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Thanks for pointing it out.  --TreyGeek (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locked Down link 

message: I was quite surprised and a little bit amazed to read the following extract from a Bas Rutten interview:
“He just turned into a different guy, he didn’t need to do the things that I told him to do,” explained Bas in a recent interview with Fighters Only Magazine. “He wasn’t going to go to the ground, you know? The day before the [Petruzelli] fight, I told him I wanted to go over heel hooks and escapes, and he said “Nah, its not going to go to the ground
“I said ‘Ha, I like that attitude – but what if it does go to the ground?’ but he said ‘Its not going to go’.(...)
The above is quoted from an article of fiveouncesofpain.com:
http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/06/20/bas-rutten-has-zero-respect-for-kimbo-slice/
Wouldn't it be relevant to mention that interview when describing the controversy surrounding the Petruzelli fight? I mean this, in addition to the comments Petruzelli made before backing them down, would certainly make it harder to give Slice the benefit of the doubt... 
I could see adding the following to the article:
In an interview to Fighter's Only magazine, recounting a conversation between him and Kimbo, his trainer Bas Rutten declared that Slice repeatedly refused to train ground grappling movements during his training session on the day preceding the fight, stating multiple times that the fight wouldn't go to the ground.
I might do the edit myself if there are no overwhelming objections.ThorinMuglindir (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hum finally such an edit would probably not be fair in the big picture. Since yesterday I saw other Rutten interviews where he basically states the opinion that the Petruzelli fight being fixed to not go to the ground is unthinkable. Personally speaking, I still think his declarations on Fighters Only hint at something, though. ThorinMuglindir (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petruzelli fight controversy 

message: From 2011 to his next MMA match in 2015, there's a gap. Can anyone fill it up? I guess if somebody could, it would have been done, but surely doesn't hurt to ask I hope. Cheers. Gretchen Mädelnick (talk) 10:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request: Fill Gap of Four Years 

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message: The source from ESPN says exhaustion is the reason for the TKO. I cannot find any source that says it was due to punches. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  20:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Sherdog -- the standard by which all MMA records are referenced on Wikipedia -- list it as TKO (punches). When announced live it was TKO due to punches. Udar55 (talk) 23:32, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll take your word for it about the acceptance of the source. Thank you for providing it. I know I was being a bit of a butt about it, but ppl kept putting things from punches to heart stopped. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  00:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  TKO from exhaustion 

message: This is getting absurd. Slice failed the drug test for the Ken Shamrock fight; currently the Texas commission has made no ruling on the fight. Amazingly, editor after editor keeps changing the result of the DaDa 5000 fight to "no contest" on here.  Even more amazing, they link to articles clearly stating the failed test was for the Shamrock fight and Wikipedia editors still okay it.  Udar55 (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed drug test

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message: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Kimbo-SliceDada-5000-Result-Overturned-to-No-Contest-by-Texas-Commission-104309  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.70.152.179 (talk) 08:54, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: He has died.
Kramar69 (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless there are reliable, third party sources that confirm this, we can't add it to the article.  Mike V • Talk 03:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2016 

message: Update death date to June 6, 2016
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thread_title:  Protected edit request on 7 June 2016 

message: He has indeed died (, , , , , , ). --Bennyaha (talk) 03:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To add a few - BJpenn.com, Daily Caller, CBS12. Acidskater (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It's sad but true theres alot of sites covering it now its probably safe to add it to the article. 108.34.218.23 (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: ESPN just confirmed it. (YourAuntEggma (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

text: Okie dokie. Acidskater (talk) 04:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Was just adding ESPN source when  beat me to the punch. TMZ is QUESTIONABLE so good to have other sources. EvergreenFir (talk) Please  04:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed Death 

message: When searching for this page, the result refers to him as a professional wrestler. He was a bodyguard and MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler. Please change this.
160.147.251.94 (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2016 

message: A third of his page uses his surname; a third uses the first half of his ring name; the remainder uses the last half. Please use one or the other for consistency. — Wyliepedia 10:55, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ferguson or Slice? 

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message: He saved an 8 year old boy from being raped in an Candian prison. And held on to our cash while we were in prison with money.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashburry (talk • contribs) 08:06, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kimo Slice is an Hero