Talk:Myra Hindley

message: "Hindley had an IQ of 107, not much above average, and failed her eleven-plus exam."
Is it really worth mentioning her IQ here? It wouldn't be expected for most articles. 
It's also above the 'average' IQ number, so I don't see the point in saying that it's 'not much above average' other than to demean the subject. Most people share this IQ score. It also seems to suggest that she failed the exam due to her average IQ score.
Just comes off as condescending but I'm not sure what to do with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.148.177 (talk • contribs) , 14:03 UTC, 29 July 2008, added by: --81.62.53.249 (talk) 16:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: IQ

message: There seems to be quite a concensus which suggests she's still very much alive and well and living incognito possibly in Australia or Canada.due to her serving the maximum sentence she could have served aswell as it being impossible for her to be publically released without a huge furore.im sure the is a lot more to this than meets the eye.
:No chance. You'd have to have a considerable conspiracy reaching up to Home Secretary level, with complete and utter political ruin being the result for both person and their political party if it ever came out. Lovingboth (talk) 17:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a section up about her faked death, but within a couple of hours some yobo deleted it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.137.91 (talk) 04:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Faked death

message: The comment about the Goo album cover in the Trivia section contradicts the Goo article. I don't know enough about the case or Sonic Youth to resolve this discrepancy.  Can someone please reconcile this?  — Zaui (talk) 17:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The album cover does not depict Myra Hindley and Ian Brady. The Goo article is correct in referencing that it featured David and Maureen Smith. I think the editor on this page got confused because Myra Hindley was Maureen Smith's sister. Recommending that this section is removed. -- Ian Abbott, 20:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goo album cover 

message: Please don't take this as an example of knee-jerk moral outrage, but can we have another title for this section? It strikes me as rather inappropriate.
Also, the article states that David Smith was visiting at the time when Edward Evans was murdered. The "See No Evil" drama-documentary has Hindley going to Smith's house and taking him back to Brady and Hindley's house, where Brady had already brought Evans - Smith was to come in and threaten to beat up the victim, ostensibly to force him to give them money - if this is actually the case, then this sentence needs re-wording. Camillus (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia?

message: : "A small group of supporters, led by the former Labour peer Frank Pakenham, 7th Earl of Longford . . . ."
To what does the adjective "former" apply?  —Tamfang 03:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that someone meant to say the late Labour Peer as in, he has passed away.  I'll look at the main text and edit if needed.Lisapollison 05:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just had a look and that text has been edited right out and the current version of the article has appropriate reference to him simply as Lord Longford.  I'll look at the Moors Murders article as well.Lisapollison 05:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longford 

message: Couldn't find any sources except the second one (I think). This was the only one that I could find, but thought it would be stupid to even have the section at all, thus I have removed it. Please feel free to add in the quotes, but please add in your sources. Kilo-Lima|(talk) 18:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Soho club night which uses her image and name
:Do links like the above really belong in this article? It clearly has absolutely nothing to do with Hindley herself, but is just using the shock value of her name and image as a promotional device.
:I mean, for all I know (or care), some club in Scunthorpe might run a Soham Murders Night every other Friday, but such information would be unlikely to be deemed appropriate for the Ian Huntley article. 217.155.20.163 21:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps someone should add a paragraph that explains her culutral significance and the appropriation of her name and image by those wishing to use it for shock value.  it's not unlike groups or individuals in the USA appropriating the name(s) of any of the Mason killings perpetrators for shock value.LiPollis 05:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: The word 'ironically' is used twice in this article, and it doesn't make sense in either context.
It's not mere pedantry to point this out. The use of the word is an attempt to give a sort of tabloid sensationalism to the account ('ironically' she had been a babysitter), or a neat roundedness as if it were fiction ('ironically' the law was changed after her death). That kind of artifice is not necessary. It adds nothing. If anything, it detracts from the unvarnished and horribly banal evil under consideration, by suggesting that there's some kind of structural sense to it. There isn't.
On top of which, the use of the word in these contexts makes it pretty clear that the writer doesn't really know what 'ironic' means.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.158.201.159 (talk) 12:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not ironic 

message: Following her cremation, the Sun had a front page story to say they'd been scattered in the moors area, above one of the lakes, complete with photos and enough detail to give a reasonable chance of finding the location. I can believe that this was a fake story, but has anyone admitted as much? If not, perhaps the 'unknown location' in the article needs to be changed. Lovingboth (talk) 17:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of ashes 

message: I submitted a Thesis for the degree of Master of Letters in a UK University in 1995 which I have since made suitable for publication as a book (making formatting changes and such) at lulu.com.
I keep adding it as a link to the Moors Murders article and it keeps being removed. One person objected on the grounds that it was vanity published, and claims it cannot be an academic thesis since it not published by an academic publisher. It doesn't matter whether it was published by an academic press - it's a valid source of further information for interested parties. No-one forces us to follow up on wiki links.
I spent many many years researching the Moors Murders case and 3 actually working full-time on the thesis, so it is a reliable source of factual information about the case. I believe that it will be of interest to people reading the Moors Murders wiki and would like them to know that it exists. I see no reason why it cannot be included as an external link, with text explaining that it's a thesis, or under the heading of "further Reading". I couldn't even link to it if it were free, so the fact that it can cost money to buy a copy is irrelevant. It would cost you a lot more to make a copy of the original in the University library.
How can I add a link to my thesis to the wiki without it being removed, within seconds if certain people are online.
I tried, following the policy guidelines, adding a link to a free copy of the thesis in addition to the lulu one, but Danieltiger45 took exception to that, and referred to it as "advertising-like text" which it clearly is not.--Ariane5 (talk) 15:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Best way to link to my thesis on Moors Murders and Myra Hindley 

message: The article states that her father was a "a paratrooper in the RAF during World War II". As far as I am aware the RAF does not have, and has never had paratroopers. Obviously aircrew are/were given parachute training in case they needed to abandon a stricken aircraft, but the Paratroop regiment is an Army regiment, and not part of the RAF.
As I said it's a minor point.
82.13.143.58 (talk) 00:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor point. 

message: The article as I found it referred to Hindley being convicted at "Chester Crown Court" (sic). Crown Courts were only created by the Courts Act 1972. The Crown Court took over the jurisdiction of the old Assizes and Quarter Sessions. A crime of this seriousness was heard before the Assize Court. May well be a minor detail.80.42.238.208 (talk) 00:24, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chester Assizes

message: I've changed the ratings on this article to C, which if anything is generous. For an article of this length to have only 4 references and a long list of "further reading" is ridiculous. How can any of the information that isn't cited be verifiable? A 'B' rated article is one that has no major problems and is almost ready for GAR - this one is nowhere near. Richerman (talk) 13:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed ratings to C 

message: i've only given minor edits to a few articles, but in this case, when i am reading about two persons incarcerated and the cause of death is given only to one of them (unless they both died of heart attacks in the year 2002) i think that some clarification of this fact, possibly in the sense of posting when, where, and how each of them died should be included in the right hand sidebar. Your thoughts?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.73.77.170 (talk) 07:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is about Myra Hindley so her cause of death is given - Ian Brady is still alive. Richerman (talk) 12:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  for clarification