Talk:Lydia

message: Lydian Culture? Religion? Rony P Q H Taril 00:47, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture 

message: does anyone know the Lydian name of Lydia? 85.97.40.61 21:36, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lydia in Lydian?

message: different accounts refer to two people being called Candaules "the Dog-strangler" - Im assuming that the correct one is the last Lydian king of the Heraclid dynasty - Mursylos - that fits in with the dates given on Candaules (735-718), rather than what it says on Gyges of Lydia - that it was Sadyattes (624 BC to 610) as it says at the wiki article there aswell. Astrokey44 03:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candaules 

message: Somebody finally came up with a source supporting the claim that Lydian is descended from Hittite.However, it is from 1986 and by a non-linguist, NOT an expert. I have added to the language article a reference from 2004 by a specialist in Anatolian languages which indicates no special relationship between Lydian and Hittite.Bill 17:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a certain problem here with the language. Unlike Carian and Lycian, which with Luwian seem to belong to the Luwian subgroup, Lydian has distinct characteristics. I can't find anyone willing to say it descends from Luwian and the main question seems to have been whether it was Anatolian or some closely related IE language. Now the problem is, in these articles Arzawa is put forward as having spoken Luwian. But if you look at Melchert's maps, which are available in commons, most Luwian is spoken in eastern and southern Anatolia. The Lydia region is not covered there at all. So, either Lydia did not fall within Arzawa, or not all Arzawa spoke Luwian. Anyone know of any solutions to this before I get started on Lydia and Arzawa?Dave (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Language

message: This "territorial" map even shows Lycia as part of Lydia. A good map would show cities that paid tribute to Croesus, not a modern "colored-in" territory. --Wetman (talk) 04:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Misleading map

message: I added some material to the "First coinage" section, based on two articles I've written on the subject, one for the Numismatist, the monthly magazine of the American Numismatic Association, the other for the Journal of the Classical and Medieval Numismatic Society, both based on my reading of all the available material in books and journal articles on the subject. This is the second time I've done this here. The first time someone deleted my additions and switched back to the previous text. My additions aren't meant as an intrusion on someone else's turf, just a more complete and accurate rendition of what is known or generally believed about this interesting subject.
Reidgold (talk) 07:16, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to provides sources for your edits that are Verifiable and from Reliable sources. El Greco(talk) 22:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First coinage 

message: As most of the direct descendants of the Lydians and other ancient anatolian civilizations currently speak Turkish, the name of these civilizations should also be provided in Turkish language.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lycianhittite (talk • contribs) 23:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Name of Lydia 

message: I made a small edit there. My grammar is not the best so I am asking if someone could correct my mistakes. 
The reason why i wrote that is because the Lydians and Persians made two huge battles called "The battle of Pteria" which was a stalemate and "The battle of Thymbra" which was a persian victory.  It should at least be mentioned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsaces (talk • contribs) 07:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made a small edit on "Persian Lydia" 

message: Coins are said to have been invented in Lydia[2] around the 7th century BC.
2 ^ "Lydia" in Oxford Dictionary of English. Oxford University Press, 2010. Oxford Reference Online. 14 October 2011.
In fact, the relevant entry on the Oxford Dictionaries website at http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Lydia?q=Lydia states:
Definition of Lydia in English:
Lydia 
Line breaks: Lydia 
Pronunciation: /ˈlɪdɪə 
    An ancient region of western Asia Minor, south of Mysia and north of Caria. It became a powerful kingdom in the 7th century bc but in 546 its final king, Croesus, was defeated by Cyrus and it was absorbed into the Persian empire. Lydia was probably the first realm to use coined money.
Hence, the cited source asserts merely that Lydia was probably the first realm to use coined money. This is a more modest claim than the claim made in the Wikipedia article's introduction that Coins are said to have been invented in Lydia[2] around the 7th century BC. It's more modest because, first, it does not give a date for the use of coins in Lydia; second, because the claim is not made that coins were invented as such in Lydia, but merely that Lydia was probably the first realm to use coined money. There is a difference between making a claim about the first place and first time that a thing is invented, and making a claim about the first place and first time that a thing is widely used. It's possible for example that coins were invented by someone some time earlier, in a different place to Lydia, initially for a different purpose, and that the invention was adopted by a Lydian merchant or by Lydian merchants or by others who brought the invention to Lydia where it took off and became established. What is to be deprecated here is the sadly all too common device found in Wikipedia of citing a single source that does not in fact properly support the position or point of view adopted by the editor, which, nevertheless, that editor subsequently incorporates into the text of the Wikipedia article. Such devices are misleading and unethical.
124.186.104.184 (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction - Coins 

message: I see no mention of the famine that struck lydia and the concept of games that was used to survive it, some info about this here http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/23145/did-the-lydians-invent-games  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.22.129.164 (talk) 05:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famine 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Lydia's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "EB1911":
From Apella: 
From Gela: 
From Pontus (region): 
From Brindisi: 
From Velia: 
From Antisthenes: 
From Corfu: 
From Isauria: 
From Dionysius of Halicarnassus: 
From Sparta: 
From Menander: 
From Electrum: 
From Panyassis: 
From Pliny the Elder: 
From Alaşehir: 
From Assos: 
From Enna: 
From Lentini: 
From Empedocles: 
From Mysia: 
From Africa (Roman province): 
From Hippolytus of Rome: 
From Athenian festivals: 
From Apollonia (Illyria): 
From Mauretania Tingitana: 
From Boeotia:  This cites as authorities:
* Thucydides iv. 76-101
* Xenophon, Hellenica, iii.-vii.
* Strabo, pp. 400-412
* Pausanias ix.
* Theopompus (or Cratippus) in the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, vol v. (London, 1908, No. 842, col 12
* W. M. Leake, Travels in Northern Greece, chs. xi.-xix. (London, 1835)
* H. F. Tozer, Geography of Greece (London, 1873), pp. 233-238
* W. Rhys Roberts, The Ancient Boeotians (Cambridge, 1895)
* E. A. Freeman Federal Government (ed. 1893, London), ch. iv. § 2
* B. V. Head, Historia Nomorum, pp. 291 sqq. (Oxford, 1887)
* W. Larfeld, Sylloge Inscriptionum Boeoticarum (Berlin, 1883). (See also Thebes.)
From Pamphylia: 
From Crimea: 
From Alyattes of Lydia: 
From Chersonesus: 
From Kamarina, Sicily: 
From Cilicia: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 02:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Lydia]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. A detailed review of other topics that compete for the primary topic would be more productive (as well as evidence of majority usage of "Kingdom of Lydia", if such exists), but it appears here that Lydia is the preferred title for now. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ASUKITE 15:14, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 September 2023