Talk:Swedish War of Liberation

message: I have lived in Sweden during all of my 50 years and I have never ever heard about this name. And a quick check in Swedish encyclopedas gives no support for the Swedish name. With that followes also the English translation. Please find safe sources. It's also wrong, since this was not a nation vs nation war, but sooner a Kalmar Union civil war, which where won by Gustav Vasa. Not the people, obviously not. There has never been a period in Swedish history that was so turbulent and violent as the beginning of Gustav Vasa's ruleing. From Dalarna to Småland. Boeing720 (talk) 06:03, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that whatever the status is in Sweden Swedish War of Liberation has - regrettably - become the common name in English. I have added two others that are in use. But I agree that it needs to be properly sourced that Befrielseskriget is the Swedish term. It seems to be (mostly?) an invention by authors of popular history.--Batmacumba (talk) 00:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Nordisk familjebok refers to the war by the name befrielsekriget ("the liberation war"). It says "Som riksföreståndare hade G. ledt största delen af befrielsekriget; som konung afslöt han det." The term befrielsekriget is also used by, for example, Svenska folket genom tiderna by historian Ewert Wrangel, Gustaf Vasa ett 400-års-minne by historian Otto Sjögren, and the textbook Sveriges historia för folkskolan by historian Carl Grimberg. Note, I am not claiming that these are necessarily reputable sources regarding the war itself. I only mean to show that befrielsekriget is the common term used in Swedish. Also, note that the reason I'm citing these old sources is that because of their age they are no longer copyrighted and are thus available online. Gabbe (talk) 06:13, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swedish War of Liberation - Befrielsekriget 

message: The four sources under "references" (two of the links  are dead - so would that not make them "Literature"?) consists of one popular history book written by an economist, who wrote a number of (colourful) books on old wars (Sundberg) and may be the inventor of the term Befrielseskriget. One very short internet text, which is clearly not written by a historian (I think it should be removed as it is substandard), one text from a German exhibition about national myths (not a source for the article as it is now - could be used for a section on how the war has been portrayed in Swedish history and art) and a short chapter in a popular history book written by a journalist and poet (Henriksson). So no factual text written by a professional historian. I do not have the time right now, but someone ought to source this properly based on a modern history of Sweden written by an actual historian - preferably someone with a post-nationalist perspective.--Batmacumba (talk) 07:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low quality sources 

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message: It seems strange that this article makes very limited mention of the naval aspects of the campaign that brought Gustav Vasa to power. A key ingredient of the help that came from Lubeck was a fleet of ships. These were state of the art vessels (at a time of rapidly developing maritime technology) and were instrumental in, for instance, the blockading of Stockholm in the winter of 1522-23, so allowing capture of the city.
A useful summary of the history, from a naval point of view, is in the historical preamble to a paper on the investigation of the wreck of one of the ships in this navy This and other sources may be useful in righting the deficit. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 15:08, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval aspects