Talk:Poison laboratory of the Soviet secret services

message: Can you supply an English (or German or Arabic or French or Spanish) language on-line source for information about the "C-2 (carbylomine cholinchloride)" that is mentioned in the article? Could this be a Carbylamine? W. Frank 18:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are probably right. That suppose to be a. I took this from the book by Vadim J. Birstein. The Perversion Of Knowledge: The True Story of Soviet Science. Westview Press (2004) . I will check this later and let you know. Do you know anything about this compound?Biophys 19:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think it better that this reference stays vague for obvious reasons. Thank your for correcting the article reference W. Frank 13:55, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will work more with this article.Biophys 14:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an N-methylated derivative of carbachol. Simple as that. An anticholinesterase poison.--84.163.111.44 (talk) 02:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: C-2

message: I propose:
#Moving the name of this article to Poison laboratories of the Soviet secret services
#Subsequently changing the lede to:
"The best known Poison laboratories of the Soviet secret services were known as Laboratory 1, Laboratory 12 and "The Chamber". These were covert poison research and development facilities of the various Soviet secret police agencies. " 
since I presume that not all of the laboratories mentioned in the article remained in the same physical building throughout.
Does anyone object? W. Frank 13:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not rename it right now. Allow me to do more research. It is usually described as the same laboratory which simply was renamed - in every publication. Yes, it was moved from one building to another (there are addresses), but the same laboratory can move.Biophys 14:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

text: He obviously means this laboratory, but "100" is possibly a mistake by journasils; I will check in books. There is interesting info here:  (book "Biological espionage"), but Kouzminov seem to work in a different department. Biophys 18:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed name change 

message: The Soviet Political Police have long been suspected of using poison in dealing with political opponents of Stalin, particularly in Asia, and revelations at the trial last week disclosed that the OGPU had a poison laboratory. It was at the disposal of former OGPU Chief Yagoda, sentenced to death, presumably is at the disposal of his successor, OGPU Chief Yezhov.
Yagoda, according to various testimony, attempted to poison Yezhov by having his own office, which his successor would occupy, sprayed with an atomized mercuric poison. Recent analysis of the urine of Yezhov was said to have proved that the poison has been partially effective and his health gravely affected.  --HanzoHattori 14:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is something! Could you provide more references about this lab? "Standard" version was that Yezhov sprayed himself the mercurium in his own office to implicate Yagoda. But who knows? This should be checked.Biophys 18:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In any case, it's the wonderful Soviet poison intrigues - and the official statement about existance of the Cheka poison program. --HanzoHattori 22:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yezhow (TIME 1938) 

message: I removed the Miscellany section. The only thing it contained was the following sentence: 
:When Vladimir Lenin asked Stalin to give him poison, he probably meant from this laboratory (known at this time as "Special office") 
This sloppy addition to the article is hearsay. I see that there is a source to a book, but I've also read published books which claim that Stalin was a warlock and knew how to fly on a broomstick. It seems that the more sensational the information, the more willing people are to accept it. 
Why would Lenin ask Stalin to administer poison to him? Nonsense. And since when is "he probably meant" considered an encyclopedic statement? I am suspecting that some naive youngster made this outrageous addition (it doesn't even have a period at the end of the sentence), and tacked on a random reference to a book, to keep people from removing it. 140.211.132.201 (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Miscellany" Section 

message: In exile, Trotsky seemed to agree with the claim made by Stalin that Yagoda ran a poisoning laboratory.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.10.165 (talk) 15:04, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trotsky 

message: Just wanted to point out that the article on Pavel Sudoplatov contrasts with the statements in this section. One or the other probably needs some editing but I'm not familiar enough with the topic and persons to do it.
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