Talk:190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident

message: Does anyone know how to copy a still from the cockpit video of the incident and then upload it to use as an image in this article?  The still would be copyright-free (despite what The Sun says on their website) because the video was made by the US Government and is, therefore, public domain once released. Cla68 23:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done. Also made the video available. --Cat out 14:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Take care with this. If the video were modified or processed enough that it would be consider a deriviative work it would be copyrightable and would not be in the public domain unless Sun or whoever owned the deriviative work choose to release it into such. This is the same as the way we license all our content as GFDL even tho some if it was taken from the public domain. People can take the public domain work from us but if they take any of our derivative work, they would have to release it under the GFDL. Note also that outside of the US, the kind of effort required to make it copyrightable remains unclear. The Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. suggests unless they've done something fairly major requiring originality, it's unlikely to be copyrightable in the US but in any case, it's always advisable to get it from a source which doesn't claim copyright if at all possible. Remember the public domain isn't GFDL. Deriviatives of work in the public domain doesn't have to stay in the public domain. Nil Einne 13:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually I've looked into it a bit more and it appears it's a little simpler then that. Only the derivative portion of the work would be considered copyrightable evidently  so this case should be fine in the US (although obviously you should still stick to stuff that doesn't claim copyright) Nil Einne 13:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would welcome a better quality version of the video but the US military seemingly isn't very cooperative. All SUN did was rencode the video into flash format - which was later converted to a .ogg format by a wikipedian. If you convert a png into a jpg you do not get a new copyright. -- Cat chi? 02:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video still

message: As I understand it, the existance of the video was continually denied by the British authorities initially. It was only when the inquest came up that they finally confirmed there was a video. If so, this should be in the article Nil Einne 13:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video 

message: This article seems to use the term POPOV to refer to the fighter pilots, but the British MOD report (linked at the end of the article) uses POPOFF.  Which is correct? Adw2000 15:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles in the British media use "POPOV" while, as you point out, the MOD report says "POPOFF".  Using either one in the article is probably fine since both are used in the article's sources.  Perhaps a note should be inserted in the article discussing the difference in spelling by the sources. Cla68 01:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POPOV vs. POPOFF 

message: This really needs a sentnce regarding what happened. We dont know who shot who until well down the page.  Mdw0 (talk) 08:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Nothing personal, but it saves time when you see a problem if you try to fix it yourself first.  Thanks for pointing this out, though. Cla68 (talk) 23:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but when I saw this I was short on time, and figured by the time I got back to it someone more familiar with the article would have it finished, saving time. Mdw0 (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening paragraph

message: I'm a Third Opinion Wikipedian. I've removed the request for a third opinion from the Third Opinion Project request list because the guidelines for that project require disputes to be discussed on the talk page before being listed there. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 22:44, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be that the other editor keeps adding the quotation marks simply because the phrase "friendly fire" is a slang term or idiom for this kind of incident. Cla68 (talk) 04:33, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Friendly fire is the recognized term, among others (fratricide, blue-on-blue). Either way, the article here on Wikipedia for the killing of one's own troops (or allied troops) is Friendly Fire. 99.250.244.54 (talk) 11:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  About your Third Opinion request 

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* http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2852243&page=2
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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 2 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

message: I think Gus Kohntopp should be merged into this article. That article seems to be a clear case of WP:BLP1E: living people 'notable' for a single event. That article has a considerable overlap with this one, as there's not very much to say about Colonel Kohntopp that isn't related to the friendly fire incident. As such, he doesn't need an independent article; a summary of his biography can be incorporated into this one. (Note that the article on the victim, L/CoH Matty Hull, was merged and redirected to this one for the same reasons.) Robofish (talk) 20:44, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Cla68 (talk) 22:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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message: Unless the aircraft pictured are the ones involved in the attack, why is the image there?  —  fourthords | =Λ= |  21:20, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  is the image in the infobox relevant? 

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