Talk:Palpatine/Archive 1

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message: You know, guys, you've been editing and re-editing each other's revisions on this page, but for the life of me I still can't figure out what you're arguing over. I'd be overjoyed if you could explain to me—and each other—what the deal is. --Jon Hart 17:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's the deal, becuase Copperchair never shows up to explain himself: We are in an edit war over whether or not to include the credit for Ian McDiarmid as Palpatine in The Empire Strikes Back and whther or not to denote in the picture of the clive reville emperor that he was the original one. Copperchair wants all references to DVD changes out of the page, and I want them in. He does this, not only to this page, but to Boba Fett, and Darth Vader. I've explained to him many times why I add back in what I do, and he simply continues to ignore what I tell him and remove what I add. He's been causing problems on all the main star wars pages, and refusing to explain his actions. When I asked him why, all he said was "I base my edits only on the facts." --The Wookieepedian 19:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I side with you. Even if it isn't canon, the fact that they redid Palpatine talking to Vader in ESB or knowing that Hayden Christen now plays Anakin's ghost in the end of ROTJ (instead of some random guy) is interesting. I say put it in because Wikipedia is NOT a paper encyclopedia. Put it in, it sure is facts! HereToHelp (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war between [[User:The Wookieepedian|The Wookieepedian]] and [[User:Copperchair|Copperchair]] 

message: I read somewhere that Dantius was Palpatine's first name. What was that source and could you consider that canon? "Dantius" has a nice ring to it! If you find more info pertaining to this, please give me a holler on my Talk Page. --Shultz 18:56, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I recall that around the time of ESB, there was an apocryphal name for Palpatine. Perhaps that was it. --Maru (talk) 19:57, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just a name made up by SuperShadow, pay no attention to it. The Wookieepedian 19:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dantius" - Palpatine's first name? 

message: Of course, one of the reasons Anakin turns to the Dark Side (among other reasons) is that Palpatine allegedly knows how to use the Force to stop other people from dying.  But how do we know Palpatine's telling the truth about that?  Indeed, he later seems to contradict himself when he says, "Together we might be able to discover this power."  I certainly wouldn't put it past Palpatine to lie about this, to say the least.  Thoughts?  --ekedolphin 09:44, May 25, 2005 (UTC)
:In episode 2, Yoda said that lies and deceit are the ways of the Sith.  I also commented about this further down the page.
:See my coments under the section -- "Palpatine's plans with regard to Anakin." --  Jason Palpatine 13:37, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power Over Life and Death 

message: What makes you think Palpatine's title is "Your Majesty?" Didn't Luke call him "Your Highness." Of course, Luke may have simply been acting facetiously- he sounded a little sarcastic. Just thought I'd bring this up.
:This is true. See here.
::Palpatine is the emperor of a vast and powerful empire. Titles such as "majesty", and "highness" are implied. 
:::He's addressed by the title of 'Your Majesty' in Revenge of the Sith by his stormtroopers near the end of the film. Additionally, West End Games's Imperial Sourcebook and Death Star Technical Companion feature in-universe documents and letters that address him as 'Your Majesty' and 'His Imperial Majesty the Galactic Emperor'.
=== The Empire Strikes Back ===
:The Emperor that briefly appeared in "The Empire Strikes Back" was played by an unnamed actor (rumored to be a woman) and was voiced by Clive Revill.
The Emperor first appeared on film in The Empire Strikes Back. In the original 1980 release, he was played by an old woman wearing prosthetic makeup, with chimpanzee eyes superimposed in post-production into darkened eye sockets in order to create a truly unsettling image. As stated above,Palpatine's voice was provided by Clive Revill for Empire. For Jedi and all subsequent films (including current releases of ESB), Palpatine is played by actor Ian McDiarmid. --Robeykr (Talk) 16:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: :The Emperor that briefly appeared in "The Empire Strikes Back" was played by an unnamed actor (rumored to be a woman) and was voiced by Clive Revill.
The Emperor first appeared on film in The Empire Strikes Back. In the original 1980 release, he was played by an old woman wearing prosthetic makeup, with chimpanzee eyes superimposed in post-production into darkened eye sockets in order to create a truly unsettling image. As stated above,Palpatine's voice was provided by Clive Revill for Empire. For Jedi and all subsequent films (including current releases of ESB), Palpatine is played by actor Ian McDiarmid. --Robeykr (Talk) 16:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Empire Strikes Back 

message: *Darth Maul - relationship, history
*Darth Tyranus - relationship, history
*Greater depth of detail on EPI-EPIII
--SparqMan 07:51, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Items to Add 

message: :"As Palpatine had intended, the Jedi rescued Amidala and brought her to the Senate on Coruscant. There, she testified to what the Federation had done and pleaded for help. Amidala's reputation and testimony were enough to convince the Senate to take action. Since the then Chancellor Valorum was unwilling to act; Amidala asked for a vote of no confidence. The Senate agreed."
Why did Palpatine send Maul to kill Queen Amidala? Did he intentionally sacrifice Maul to Qui-Jon and Obi-Wan? --Anonymous
:You are mistaken.  Palpatine/Darth Sidious did not, at any time order Amidala's death in episode 1.  He had sent Darth Maul to retrieve her and force her to return to Naboo to sign the treaty with the Trade Federation.  The Jedi were in the way and therefore, logically, had to be eliminated.  The Jedi were targeted for death -- along with anyone else who stood in the way -- but not Amidala; she was to be taken alive.  --Robeykr (Talk) 06:08, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did Palpatine want Amidala dead? - Ep 1 question 

message: Where exactly is it said that Plagueis was Sidious' master? He never says so in Episode 3, I was just curious. The way he speaks of him as "Darth Plagueis the wise" seem to indicate Plagueis was well before his time.
:In the Return of the Sith novel, Palpatine admits as such right before Anakin discovers he is Darth Sidious:
::"Do you remember the myth I told you of, The tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" the shadow whispered.
::The myth-
::...directly influence the midi-chorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter ...
::"Yes," Anakin said. "Yes, I remember."
::The shadow leaned so close that it seemed to fill the world.
::"Anakin, it's no mere myth."
::Anakin swallowed.
::"Darth Plagueis was real."
::Anakin could force out only a strangled whisper. "Real...?
::  "Darth Plagueis was my Master. He taught me the key to his power," the shadow said dryly matter-of-fact, "before I killed him."
:Now whether or not Palpatine was telling the truth is another matter. I have always said that the story of Plagueis was meant to be facetious. Nevertheless, Palpatine does tell Anakin that Plagueis was his master. 
:The novels of the films are considered G-canon; so you can treat any scene in the Revenge of the Sith novel as though it had been shown in the film. --Cirdan 13:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth Plagueis 

message: To all the users who made this look like the way I wanted it to...except for the title, but that's okay. I'm now gonna add pictures. --KFan II 22:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome :-) --(Talk)  Robeykr 06:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks 

message: Ironically in the novel, Labyrinth of Evil, Palpatine orders the Jedi to hunt Darth Sidious down. --UnknownJohn 16:38, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labyrinth of Evil: Hunting Darth Sidious down 

message: This is taken from one of the last draft's of the script, but was cut because it was too similar to Empire.
:DARTH SIDIOUS-- "I have waited all these years for you to fulfill your destiny... I arranged for your conception. I used the power of the Force to will the midichlorians to start the cell divisions that created you."
:ANAKIN-- "I don't believe you."
:DARTH SIDIOUS-- "Ahhh, but you know it's true. When you clear your mind, you will sense the truth. you could almost think of me as your father."
:ANAKIN-- "That's impossible!"
:DARTH SIDIOUS-- "Nevertheless, you must decide." 
Confirmation can be found in 'The Making of Revenge of the Sith' on page 42, and on page 64 of the same book the text "The dialogue indicating that PALPATINE is responsible for ANAKIN'S creation has been cut." appears.
Should it be added?
:NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! (to the tune of the "Nos" from Bohemian Rhapsody).  That is not from a real draft of EpIII.  That is from SuperShadow.com which is full of blatant lies, propaganda, and self-promotion!  A lot of his junk information is getting around the Internet.  (For example, he is a personal friend of GL and is going to be in charge of making the last trilogy of Star Wars movies 20 years from now.) --Tmorrisey 06:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Making of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith indeed had a page of early draft script which features Sidious = Anakin's father. Nevertheless it was removed and was no longer canon.
For what it's worth. Although it doesn't explicitly make the analogy of Palpatine being Anakins father, "Star Wars The New Essential Chronology (Star Wars Library)" ISBN: 0345449010 does imply that he did arrange for Anakin to be born without a father.  --Rick 02:31, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Palpatine was Anakin's Father 

message: Palpatine and his First Galactic Empire were destroyed in 10 ABY, not 11 ABY (unless you want to change the date on the Dates in Star Wars article). --Ed Telerionus 7 July 2005 20:37 (UTC)
:Official timelines place Dark Empire and Dark Empire II at 10 ABY and Empire's End at 11 ABY. --Jon Hart 17:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  End of Empire and Palpatine's death 

message: The Anakin Skywalker article was redirected to Darth Vader until it was decided that was a spoiler, so now Anakin Skywalker is in a separate article with a link to Darth Vader in the end. Mayhap the same should be done for Darth Sidious and Palpatine? Viewers only suspect, but never know for sure, that Darth Sidious and Palpatine are the same person until ROTS. --212.179.195.183 11:43, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler bump proposal 

message: This seems like a pretty big article full of nice tidbits about Palpatine.  Is there someone to propose this as a feature page? --Cornince 04:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, this would be an excellent article to be a candidate to be featured. The guys who have contributed have done a great job covering the entire character of Palpatine, better than most I've seen. However, I doubt with its star wars association it would have much of a chance in the community. --The Wookieepedian 05:34, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be too sure. This is a very good article, one of the best SW articles. I don't think they could ignore it.  But if someone were to seriously consider it, they might want to first go through and add footnotes for various assertions. WP:CITE. --Maru (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature Page? 

message: In one of the star wars books you read about Vader trying to keep himself alive without his equipment,"as the emperor does." It says his record is about 2 minutes. I cant for the life (lol) of me think of the book but im pretty sure its out there.  (if im wrong someone PLEASE TELL ME) --70.105.68.30 23:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shadows of the Empire.  From the description, it is simply continuous healing using the Dark side; it does not seem to have anything to do with Plagueis' techniques (in my reading of the text anyways; YMMV). --Maru (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Saving Powers 

message: I just noticed this but chancelor of the republic senate is not listed as one of palpatines positions. That might need to be changed. --70.105.106.147 03:19, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Position 

message: With the debut of the Revenge of the Sith, popular allegations held that Palpatine's evolution from Chancellor to Emperor was a directly stated parallel to the current American president, George W. Bush. Despite the number of allegations (some of which denied by Lucas himself), the political affiliations of Palpatine are seemingly mixed. In applying modern conservative or liberal ideologies to the Star Wars universe, Palpatine seems to be more centrist/liberal than his other colleagues, including the majority of the Loyalist Committee who fervently back the Military Creation Act. It should be noted that, to Palpatine specifically such political labels are irrelevant due to his Machiavellian approach to attain power. However, it does provide additional context to his rise of power, and the political spectrum of the Star Wars universe. 
His politics regarding the Trade Federation and corporate interests reveal him to be a demogogue in a populist sense. His desire to allow the Trade Federation and the Banking Clan to build a mining facility directly below Theed would reveal favoritism, however his advice to then Supreme Chancellor Valorum to tax intergalactic trade routes would seem to be contrary to those politics. His later policies within the Empire are undoubtedly fascist, with many corporations being totally or partially nationalized, with few exceptions (such as Kaut Drive Yards and Siennar Fleet Systems). It is also known that as Emperor, his continued taxation of trade routes reveals a decidedly anti-corporate slant. 
Despite the fact that Palpatine appears to have had indirect involvement in the creation of a clone army on Kamino, his politics regarding the Military Creation Act appear to be undefined. His initial distrust of the act appear to be consistent with other Republic senators, such as Bail Organa and Padme Amidala.
:Sorry, but this looks to be original research. --The Wookieepedian 20:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Addition: Political Controversy 

message: The current article states: 
:"Palpatine then persuaded Chancellor Finis Valorum to request the Jedi Council's assistance in mediating the dispute on Naboo. The Council dispatched Qui-Gon Jinn and his padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi. The Jedi attempted to meet with Nute Gunray, viceroy of the Federation, aboard his flagship. When it seemed the Trade Federation would be forced to end the blockade, Sidious ordered them to kill the Jedi and invade Naboo instead. He assured them that it would be over before the Senate could respond, as he would keep it occupied with other matters. Sidious's goals were apparently to weaken the power of the Trade Federation (one of the key galactic power blocs at the time), and to leverage sympathy from the invasion of his homeworld into political power."
However in the opening crawl of Phantom Menace it states that the Jedi was sent secretly.  In addition, Sidious is dismayed that they were brought into this, so it would be odd that Palpatine was the one behind the Jedi being sent to mediate the dispute. --Ramsquire 21:05, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My guess is that this is either wrong, or Palpatine was acting for the benefit of the Trade Federation- it was in Palpatine's benefit that the Jedi aid the Naboo, keeping Amidala alive, ensuring her escape, frightening the Trade Federation into invading &etc. (I lean towards the latter, but possibly I give Palpatine too much credit.) --Maru  (talk) Contribs 04:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction... 

message: I read somewhere that some people believe Qui-Gon Jinn was specifically targeted by Darth Sidious, as Qui-Gon was apparently the complete antithesis of Sidious. Is this true? --82.92.119.11 5 November 2005 12:34 (UTC)
:I know of no basis for this belief. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 04:15, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You might've read it in the article on Qui-Gon Jinn (see the "Overview" section). --Mrwojo 19:19, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Qui-Gon Jinn 

message: I'm not sure how you would fix this, but the spoiler warning is too late, considering that there is a spoiler in the infobox.  Possibly only by the Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader -> Palpatine/Darth Sidious "Spoiler Bump" proposal mentioned above.PRB 10:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I'm going to be bold and add it in; if anyone has an issue, tell me here. --HereToHelp (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler warning 

message: Has Wikipedia gone mad? This article is longer (and contains far more photographs) than the article on the United States. You fans should really show some restraint and common sense: I thought there was already a Star Wars Wiki for all of this to begin with. -Jleon 16:46, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is. But, last time I checked, Palpatine is one of the major characters from the series, and one of the best-known villains of all time, thus, he deserves a place here. And it doesn't matter how large the article on the US is. If those editors want it long, then they make it long, no big deal. The Star Wars Wiki is for very very minor details, and I don't think you could consider Palpatine that minor. --The Wookieepedian 16:57, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not paper- the effort that went into this article would not necessarily have otherwise gone to improving more worthwhile articles. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 17:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but many sections, such as most of the "Dark Empire" material, clearly cross the boundary into fancruft (not to mention the absurdity of "Palpatine on Writing"). I think if you look at most of the material written by your Star Trek counterparts, you'll see the appropriate level of information on topics such as these. --Jleon 15:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Dark Empire" section, along with those you mention such as "Palpatine as a writer," are all based off of official sources. That is what the article is based solely on, official sources. --The Wookieepedian 18:41, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  When good wiki's go bad 

message: Are we sure that image is by cam kennedy ? It looks like a trade cover to me by someone else. --Allemandtando (talk) 18:34, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, those two listed in the caption are the illustrators of that comic book series, though. Dmoon1 (talk) 19:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Veitch was the writer. But I suppose the caption is technically accurate as showing how he was depicted, even though the illustration is actually from the Dark Empire Handbook, and was drawn by Pop Mhan and colored by Dave Nestelle. -- Ozzel (talk) 02:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Empire cover image 

message: Now, there's a subject line. Anyway, it says in the popular culture section that an episode of South Park features a parody of Palpatine persuading Congress to oppose euthanasia. Anybody who's viewed the episode can see that it's a parody of Grima Wormtongue from Lord of the Rings. And yes, I earned my nit-picking fanboy merit badge today. G'luck mates. 67.172.31.71 (talk) 04:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: South Park/Grima Wormtongue

message: I've noticed that before he came to power, he always played both sides—The Clone Wars is a great example of that. Other examples include the Naboo incident (blockade & invasion),and Outbound Flight (which also includes the Barlok incident). The only thing missing is a proper citation.--KelvinHOWiknerd(talk) 12:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characteristics: playing both sides 

message: through out the article is says that he was also known as Darth Goole. I always thought it was Darth Sidious. And if you type in Darth Sidious in the search menu, it redirects to Senator Palpatine, but if you type in Darth Goole it doesn't. Could someone check up on his name?
Bobzooka (talk) 13:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Google and Yahoo have no relevant Darth Goole hits. I say change it to Sidious, and if the adding user would like to add it back in, they can cite it. --Ye Olde Luke (talk) 16:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I removed the reference to "Cos Dashit". I beleive this was a joke inserted into this article. However, incase someone can site a reference to this, I will leave the original below.
Mentioned by Grand Moff Tarkin in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope (1977), the Emperor, initially named Cos Dashit, was characterized as a cunning but weak politician under the control of powerful bureaucrats in Lucas's original scripts of Star Wars.
WPinky (talk) 23:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See the last paragraph of this page. Although the “Darth” title was wrong, he was known as Cos Dashit in the original scripts. — Senator Palpatine 05:50, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, I can't believe that's not vandalism. If it's in the databank then it should probably be in the article, a hidden messege stating it's not vandalism probably wouldn't hurt either. Blackngold29 06:03, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth Cos Dashit? LMAO 

message: I think the caption next to the prequel trilogy picture which reads "Joe Lieberman as Senator Palpatine" is probably an act of vandalism. Anyone else think so? Anyone know how to fix it?
HuronKing, November 20th 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.123.237.251 (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joe Lieberman as Senator Palpatine? 

message: As for the image of Karl Rove as "Palpatine" in American Dad!, I do not recall any actual Star Wars hints in that episode that it was suppose to be a parody Palpatine. And wearing a red robe with a hood does not make it a fact. So, it seems like mostly speculation. DCincarnate (talk) 23:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I seem to recall several Star Wars hints, and additional commentary by the Rove-like personage using mannerisms as personality traits of the Emperor. Maybe we need some other eyes and comments. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 23:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rove has a lot of non-Palpatine characteristics in that episode, like traditional demonic aspects. He's more of a generic dark lord rather than a parody of Palpatine. Additional citations beyond the episode would be helpful. -LtNOWIS (talk) 00:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I have never watched the show, but I think we need a source that states that it is indeed Palps, if it is not made obvious in the context of the show. I would be suprised if the show didn't make multiple references to him, being that Family Guy makes SW references all of the time, and obviously the shows share creators. After looking at the picture, I would personally say it is him, but as DCincarnate said (unless we have a source) it is merely speculation. Blackngold29 15:54, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "I have never watched the show, but I think we need a source that states that it is indeed Palps," omg get a life. seriously. --Leladax (talk) 20:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep discussion civil and relevant to improving the article, please. Nufy8 (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'm merely attempting to follow the Reliable sources guideline of WP. Blackngold29 03:43, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: ''American Dad!'' image

message: Who was the actress who played the Emperor in "The Empire Strikes Back" prior to the digital remastering? This information seems hard to get. It should be added to this article.
:Agreed, and it's surprising that it hasn't been located already.  Maybe it was actually George Lucas, and this "old woman" story is disinformation.  Tempshill (talk) 00:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was the actress who played the Emperor in "The Empire Strikes Back" prior to the digital remastering? 

message: Near the end of the article it says Darth Sidious will appear in the series Kingdom Comedy... Can we atleast get a source on the show, or this piece of information. If not, someone delete that sentence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.90.147.24 (talk) 04:23, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kingdom Comedy Appearance 

message: Shouldn't Royal Naboo and Trade Federation be added to his affiliations?--24.240.186.152 (talk) 02:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Naboo and the Trade Federation 

message: It is a fan-film not belonging in STAR WARS chronology nor the
chronology of this character.If "fan films" are added as "canon" here then where will it end?
>MaxButterchuck>>  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaxButterchuck (talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw it as well, and removed it. Cyanid (talk) 09:43, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "REVELATIONS" does not belong under the Character 

message: Very well-made article, but I gotta say it could really use some reception information; I mean, it has some, but it discusses the ideals of the character more so than the quality of the character himself. Also, since the featured article nomination process is more than three years old, I'd recommend giving it a once over to make sure it's up to current standards. Have a good day! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 16:52, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hey! Just a few comments. 

message: It says that Dooku never mentioned the existence of Sidious in the presence of the Jedi. Not true. In Episode II he tells Obi Wan Kenobi of a Darth Sidious, and that he influences hundreds of Senators. 86.144.111.199 (talk) 16:11, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identity 

message: A cleanup page has been created for WP:FILMS' spotlight articles. One element that is being checked in ensuring the quality of the articles is the non-free images. Currently, one or more non-free images being used in this article are under discussion to determine if they should be removed from the article for not complying with non-free and fair use requirements. Please comment at the corresponding section within the image cleanup listing. Before contributing the discussion, please first read WP:FILMNFI concerning non-free images. Ideally the discussions pertaining to the spotlight articles will be concluded by the end of June, so please comment soon to ensure there is clear consensus. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:58, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion pertaining to non-free image(s) used in article

message: Wasn't his name derived from the politician in Taxi Driver, Palantine? I haven't got a concrete source for this but a Google search seems to think that it's a popular theory. 80.225.185.95 (talk) 18:34, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name derivation 

message: The mention of Palp's Wizard magazine ranking (at the end of the 'abstract') is pretty meaningless/tone-lowering if one actually takes a look at that list... - 121.72.245.238 (talk) 11:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wizard magazine list 

message: Palpatine's notable resemblance with Pope Benedict XVI should be mentioned somewhere in the article, probably in the "Palpatine in popular culture" section.--Sum (talk) 09:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shya, it surely is. :( Seriously, though, you will need a reliably-sourced citation that connects the two. Otherwise, we run afoul of BLP regarding Pope Benny, and, let's face it, men in funny hats are usually quite spiteful. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 17:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Resemblance with Pope Benedict XVI

message: Amidst all this talk about comparisons to Karl Rove, Pope Benedict and Zell Miller, let it be noted that the Original Trilogy was filmed during the rise and first presidential term of Ronald Reagan. I have always understood Palpatine to be George Lucas' take on Reagan, just as the Battle of Endor is Lucas' take on Vietnam. Remember, the two men being from California, Lucas knew about Reagan and his policies long before the rest of us did. I know many of you will disagree (this is Wikipedia, after all...home of contention and strife), but that is how I have understood the "hidden meanings" of TESB and ROTJ for years now, taking into account their historical context: the late 70's/early 80's. Hi Ho. 65.248.164.214 (talk) 20:46, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ronald Reagan? 

message: It is mention in this page that he dies when I heard from a rumor that he in fact lives after getting cut in half. Which comes from the books. I have not read the books so I'm not really sure. It does appear in the movie that he dies but that may not be the case. Someone might want to find this out. Kindredcharles (talk) 09:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darth Maul 

message: Something needs to be done about palpatine's picture appearing twice. It seems he has both a "Star Wars character" and "officeholder" infobox. It would be great if the "star wars character" line could be stuck inside the main officeholder infobox. Then the superfluous "star wars character" infobox and the extra picture could be deleted. However it seems to do that, he would need his own infobox template... I don't know how to make one, and I don't want to screw around with it, i'm not even sure if I can as an IP user. Could someone who knows what they are doing try to fix it? 71.100.71.76 (talk) 07:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double picture? 

message: They're a little ridiculous, especially the Voiced By field; seven different actors across various mediums. Could we shift all that information to the actual body copy? EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:09, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we do something about the Portrayed and Voiced fields? 

message: This being an encyclopedia article it should be written with less nerdy detail.  Were it about a real person it might make sense to put date of birth and death and reign, etc., but he's fictional.  We don't need the BBY or ABY crap.  Star Wars nerds have their Wookieepedia and stuff like that for all the fetishistic detail their nerd hearts desire.  174.89.29.56 (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little too detailed - too nerdy 

message: I can't help but notice that his character is listed under "Fictional undead" category - why is that, actually? - 83.21.138.173 (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undead? 

message: http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/10/17/the-emperor-from-star-wars-finally-has-a-first-name-and-its-super-lame/
So... yeah... shall we include this ridiculous, now-officially-canon first name? DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 05:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes you wonder why no one ever refers to him a Sheev I... they don't even call him "His [Imperial] Majesty". He's always just "The Emperor", even by Imperial officers. It's pretty disrespectful by real-world standards.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.21.161 (talk) 02:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

text: No--or at least not yet. According to the news articles reporting this, such as , "[I]t seems a user over at Wookieepedia has nabbed an early review copy of the novel and found out Palpatine's name - allegedly found on page 93 of the novel, according to the source." A user at Wookipedia who claims special knowledge is not a reliable source. Until confirmed (or refuted) by the book itself and related secondary sources, we should leave this out of the article. –Prototime (talk · contribs) 20:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheev Palpatine 

message: As per WP:UCN, I hereby suggest we move this article from the relatively-obscure “Palaptine” to the far more recognizable “Emperor (Star Wars)”. Outside of Star Wars fans, I don’t think the name Palpatine is particularly recognizable, whereas I think most people would know who you’re talking about if you mentioned the Emperor from Star Wars. For the record, I get 834,000 Google results for when I enter Palpatine, but I got 1,970,000 Google results when I entered Emperor “Star Wars”. 67.234.116.39 (talk) 22:39, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like it is worth having a discussion. You can follow the instructions at WP:RM to set one up officially. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 22:50, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to “Emperor (Star Wars)” 

message: Palpatine is heard in the Season 2 trailer. Before the season comes out, it should be mentioned that he will be in it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.193.66 (talk) 18:37, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: ''[[Star Wars Rebels]]''

message: I don't understand the phrasing "all but destroys the Jedi". Wouldn't it sound better as "desrroys the Jedi" simply?201.6.147.204 (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No, because he doesn't destroy the Jedi fully. GimliDotNet (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I had been thinking about that too. That's right, he doesn't purge and kill all of the Jedi, so "destroys the Jedi" is wrong. But the phrasing is still sorta confusing, no? Maybe "destroys nearly all of the Jedi" would sound more clear, but it's just my opinion. Best regards, 189.68.157.114 (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you search for the meaning of "all but..." you'll see it means "very nearly." It might sound strange but it's 100% correct. Katastasi and his talk page. 17:56, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead paragraph 

message: The "psychopathy in fiction" category needs to be removed, as it is pure original research - there is no mention whatsoever in any Star Wars media of Palpatine being diagnosed as a psychopath. Classifications like that don't really fit in the science fiction genre anyway.
Treybien (talk) 16:05 7 October 2016 (UTC)
: To be fair, Star Wars is more of a fantasy space-opera than a science fiction. But I completely agree that themes of mental illness and psychopathy are rarely addressed in Star Wars media. If the user can provide a source, that's one thing. However, I think we should continue treating this as original research until the user provides proof for the category. DarkKnight2149 23:20, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Psychopathy category 

message: Your thoughts on "Supreme Leader Snoke" possibly been Palpatine/Darth Sidious/The Emperor.. Having not died in the fall down the Death Star's reactor shaft.. Anikin and Luke have both survived such falls, and while Darth Maul also had such a fall he was shown to have been cut in two and fell as two separate parts. he did let Anikin know that he had mastered the dark force that allowed him to defeat death, as in live for an extended time, or bring the dead back.. Also the lack of any real back story (even Wookieepedia page is lacking), I have a strong feeling that Snoke will be reveled to be Palpatine, Even the scaring and burnt face can link back to his fall down the reactor shaft.. GremlinSA 13:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Please be mindful that Wikipedia talk pages are not meant to be a discussion forum. --EEMIV (talk) 15:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supreme Leader Snoke 

message: Someone rather rudely dismissed an edit I made last night with no attempt to clarify the facts or even apparently do a minute's worth of research. I can link directly to proof of the fact that Majorie Eaton - not Elaine Baker - played Palpatine's body in the original release of Episode V: Simply read through this a bit
72.231.228.215 (talk) 21:16, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find anything backing up the forum posts. It could be right, but as-is I can't see anything to support adding Eaton as the actor, unless we can find where Bies or anyone else has actually debunked Baker. – The Millionth One  (talk) (contribs) 20:59, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I KNEW IT! I FRIGGING KNEW IT!!!!!!!! 72.231.228.215 (talk) 06:56, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eaton, not Baker 

message: Is it worth noting that archive audio of McDiarmid as Palpatine was used in TFA at any point in this article? 134340Goat (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Force Awakens voice cameo 

message: As the article was an FA since 2007 when standards were lower as opposed to the current ones, I'm wondering if we should consider doing a checkup to see if it satisfies the current FA criteria to avoid a potential FA review in the future. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 23:43, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Given the sheer number of edits since then (including from inexperienced editors), and some of the uncited claims, that wouldn't be a bad idea. DarkKnight2149 18:15, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking at the article as whole, even if it doesn't quite meet FA standards, it does appear to be salvageable (at least at a glance). DarkKnight2149 18:17, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA checkup? 

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message: I was looking through the references related to Palp's appearance in ESB, and I noticed that the very first sentence asserting that Eaton was the actress links to an io9 piece stating that the actress was Baker. I'm not overly well-versed in this situation beyond "there's a long-time debate over whether it was Eaton or Baker in the film itself", so I am not confident enough to swap references around. Can someone fix the references so that the first sentence is properly sourced?
Additionally, the infobox uses the Hidalgo thread to source Eaton, even though the thread itself doesn't state it was Eaton, only states that it wasn't Baker. The context offers a clear choice (Eaton or Baker?), but I'm wondering if that's a strong enough source to attach to the statement "It was Eaton." Just, for the infobox and that particular statement. Additionally, I checked Rinzler's The Making of The Empire Strikes Back and it states  This source is attached to Elaine being used for makeup tests only. Is it possible for someone to straighten out the sources so the statements and attributions match up? ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 00:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  References for Eaton and Baker 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I found out in Villains Wiki that he killed his family. I want to add him to fictional familicides. Possible?--שי אביגד (talk) 18:02, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Familicide 

message: Thank you, , for reverting the page move. Opening discussion to, ya know, discuss. I oppose the page move as needlessly complicated and non-concise. Redirects can fill in for the "other" identity. , what is your rationale for this switcheroo? --EEMIV (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I also oppose this page move. "Palpatine" is straightforward enough. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 20:06, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Page move

message: Are we sure it is already the time to put the upcoming Episode IX as one of his appearances, even without amy footnotes? Editor-Plejer (talk) 19:31, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode IX? 

message: just a suggestion. i think you should change the title to The Senate (Palpatine) just to make it funnier :D Rexmon777 (talk) 01:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. - FlightTime (open channel) 03:08, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2019 

message: The clumsy wording in the caption of the first image in Palpatine#Characteristics needs to be tidied up.
Suggest changing
:This version is containing Chimpanze facial parts in The Emperor's face, an action done by the makeup designers in order to make Palpatine more frightening.
to
:Chimpanzee eyes were superimposed into darkened eye sockets during post-production to create a more disturbing image. Thx 121.44.62.246 (talk) 03:12, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done Melmann 12:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2019 

message: Is there any particular reason why Palpatine's alternate names are hidden behind notes rather than included in the prose like every other fictional character that has an article on Wikipedia? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:40, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate names

message: Please change "In the The Rise of Skywalker" to just "In The Rise of Skywalker" 81.96.15.89 (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks for spotting that. The Mirror Cracked (talk) 23:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2020 

message: I NEED TO EDIT IT to add new info 13xan (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:05, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2020 

message: Palpatine has 2 sons, Anakin and Rey's father, only write this because I can't edit the page, so if someone read this, please fix it. Thanks and Happy Holidays, may Palpatine's Force be with you :) 2A02:2E02:27C7:B900:BDFD:F38C:81CC:90E9 (talk) 17:01, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sons 

message: Maxikelley62063 (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See WP:COMMONNAME Cannolis (talk) 02:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2020 

message: 24.214.165.166 (talk) 02:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:COMMONNAME. He's known as Palpatine everywhere but the prequels. -- a lad insane (channel two) 02:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Note: Marking as answered. JTP (talk • contribs) 02:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2020 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Anarchyte (talk • work) 07:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Senator Palpatine/Darth Sidious" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Maxkelley2003 (talk) 01:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Jack Frost (talk) 03:46, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 25 April 2020 

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thread_title: Image deletion nomination(s)