Talk:Henry Morgentaler

message: According to his biographers, Morgentaler's practice was as a family physician before he began performing abortions.  I am unaware of any evidence that he ever had any specialized training in gynecology.  The mere fact that someone performs abortions, even if that person is a medical doctor, does not make him a gynecologist.  In any case Morgentaler does not claim to be a gynecologist on his clinic's website.
* Morgentaler is not a gynecologist but he has invented improved -- meaning safer -- abortion techniques such as vacuum curettage. Monado (talk) 03:35, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Gynecologist and abortionist

message: One paragraph ends "This ruling essentially ended all statutory restrictions on abortion in Canada," as of 1988. Yet the next paragraph has him 5 years later winning against provincial abortion regulations. Apparently the sentence quoted is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.192.125 (talk) 15:46, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict on when abortion restrictions invalidated 

message: The doctor was named to the Order of Canada, one of the country's highest honors. The announcement was made July 1 but actually took effect the previous April according to the news story though the actual ceremony is to be held at a later, unnamed date. The newspaper reported some disagreement with the award. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080701/morgentaler_order_080701/20080701?hub=Canada&s_name=  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.192.125 (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The source does not mention the previous April, anywhere I can see.  ??? Wanderer57 (talk) 16:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The results of a major opinion poll are not "irrelevant" (particularly when the opinions of individual politicians are already cited in the article).  If (and I do not expect that this will ever happen) this section gets excessively large, then it would be appropriate to have a dedicated article. Noel S McFerran (talk) 00:57, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a stronger and way more serious poll on the subject. --Michaudjp (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Can we clearly call this poll unreliable in regards of Wikipedia standards? The KLRVU main phone number ((204) 999-7446) is pointing to a cell phone and the address to residential house. The most interesting facts found about this supposedly serious firm are here. I'll wait for more inputs from user but clearly this fake poll should be removed on next week. --Michaudjp (talk) 20:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

text: That's enough for me. I'll edit my paragraph and remove the reference. justinfr (talk) 20:42, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Canada 

message: In a program on Vision’s own in-house programme, “Credo”Dr. Morgentaler talks about his family’s experiences in the Holocaust, and speaks on his beliefs about the abortion business and advocacy. 
In this program he states, or suggests that he saw the Hollocaust first hand, and what damages could be done by 'an unwanted child' i assume in reference to Hitler, so that it was now his mission in life to ensure that 'unwanted' children not be born, to save humanity from another 'hollocuast.'
Vision TV "Credo" episode.
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 14:20, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what your intent is in posting this.  In any case it's unclear which of these quotes you're attributing directly to Morgentaler and which you're inferring from his words.  Please note that nothing based purely on your own interpretation of Morgentaler's meaning can be put into the article. --Saforrest (talk) 20:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Furthermore, there's nothing in that link describing the actual program content, so we have only your summary of it. Lifesitenews is hardly NPOV. justinfr (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logic behind Morgentaler 

message: We're up to four people who have returned their Order of Canada medals in protest of the Morgentaler appointment. I would hope that section of the article doesn't just turn into a list. As a solution, if there are more people, I propose that we only include people notable enough to have their own WP article. Thoughts? justinfr (talk) 19:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. In the event the list grows to more than what we currently have now, listing only those who are most relevent would be a good idea. I think turning the section into a list would not be a good idea as it would probably then need to be in its own section.24.37.126.33 (talk) 21:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Returned medals 

message: 142.163.166.142 (talk) has been adding a paragraph from a Halifax editorial that, in my opinion, doesn't add anything to the article. It is already obvious that his Order of Canada appointment was controversial without needing to belabour the point. I don't want to get in trouble with WP:3RR but if anybody else feels the same way, please feel free to take over. The anon IP also added the paragraph to Margaret Somerville, which seems a much more appropriate place for it. I tried discussing this on the IP's talk page to no avail. justinfr (talk) 19:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, everybody is new once :)  Again, I'll just restate that it's already been made clear that the appointment was controversial. A freelance writer stating that in an editorial opinion doesn't add to the article. justinfr (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that although numerous editorials may be written on the man, they don't necessarily merit inclusion, even if published by a mainstream newspaper.Bless sins (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Johndoe anon, please refrain from making unconstructive edits such as this one and this one. Vandalism tends to make your talk page arguments less credible. justinfr (talk) 23:00, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of Halifax opinion piece 

message: I've placed a BLP dispute tag until such time as statements about him lying about medical studies in Europe are either a) referenced or b) removed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: BLP dispute

message: In "Media and cultural representations", it currently says
A famous Montreal Gazette editorial cartoon by Terry Mosher lampooned Montreal Mayor Jean Drapeau's proclamation that the debt-ridden 1976 Summer Olympics could no more have a deficit "than a man can have a baby."[32] In the cartoon, an apparently pregnant Drapeau is shown placing a telephone call to Morgentaler.
I think the following makes the order of events clearer: first the prediction, then the olympics, then the cartoon.
A famous Montreal Gazette editorial cartoon by Terry Mosher lampooned Montreal Mayor Jean Drapeau's infamous prediction that "the Olympics can no more have a deficit than a man can have a baby".[32]  After the financially disastrous 1976 Summer Olympics, a pregnant Drapeau is shown placing a telephone call to Morgentaler.
I don't think we need include the weasel word "apparently" before "pregnant" because this is a fictional cartoon world; it it he is pregnant, and obviously having regrets.
71.41.210.146 (talk) 19:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean up Drapeau cartoon example 

message: As fascinating as the minutiae of Henry's brother's movements, residences, and statements to U.S. immigration might be, I don't see how they are relevant to Dr. Morgentaler's biography, especially as they seem to be original research referencing individual Red Cross reports. Does anyone else have an opinion? Monado (talk) 03:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry's and Abraham's immigration adventures 

message: We should try to get the citations for these awards: Humanist of the Year, UWO Doctor of Law honourary degree, and Canadian Labour Congress Award for for Outstanding Service to Humanity. It's vexing to read, "He got an award in X year from Y people without finding out why they thought he deserved it. Monado (talk) 07:00, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards - reasons for  

message: I have a picture, of Henry Morgentaler attending Jack Layton's funeral, which is a photograph of a television showing the CBC live broadcast. If he was mentioned in the voice-over commentary, I missed it; and I don't know of a public guest list. I'd like to include it as documentation that he was there, honouring someone who supported him. CBC would hold the copyright of the original broadcast, but the photo credits them -- their logo, etc. are included. However, there are other people in the photo. A "screenshot" of a TV broadcast can be acceptable under fair usage laws. It's fairly low resolution, only 430 x 323. You can see tie image itself by following the link. Can this qualify for fair usage? Monado (talk) 18:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of HM at Layton funeral 

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message: I took the photograph but it's of a CBC broadcast, so I think it's copyright Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. My fair use rationale is that it's a record of Morgentaler's honouring Jack Layton by attending the funeral of his long-time supporter.  Is that acceptable? Where do I put it? Is it OK to re-upload the picture? If not, is it acceptable to link to it as a Flickr image? —Monado (talk) 20:00, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright?

message: As the References section now has more than 60 in-line citations to respectable sources, I've removed the "needs refs" template. If this is inappropriate, feel free to add it back. —Monado (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed reference template 

message: The career section contains a glorifying view of Henry Morgentaler's abortions. Added template  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.113.230.100 (talk) 14:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glorified 

message: Comments like " After learning of the many women desperately wanting to abort their pregnancies" in the lead seriously detract from the neutrality of the article. The entire article should be edited for NPOV. μηδείς (talk) 19:45, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I am happy with the introduction now as long as it is clear that "unjust law placing burdensome restrictions" is Morgentaler's assessment rather than ours. We might mention his involvement in Canada no longer allowing an appeals court to reverse a jury acquittal without ordering a new trial and we might mention the violence and death threats, but I have a preference for bite-sized leads. The rest of the article still needs the NPOV comb; better focus on the actual subject of this biography should help a lot of it - I can take a stab in a few hours. FiveColourMap (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: I have removed this link to  http://chavarosenfarb.com/photos Photos of Chava Rosenfarb and her family, including the Morgentalers, with captions family photos which does not mention Morgantaler by name and which cannot serve as a reliable source for the material cited.  It may be a relevant external link if it can be verified. μηδείς (talk) 20:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable source 

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message: Dr. Morgentaler died many years ago. There is no mention of this. Moreover, the article is written in the present tense, as if he were still alive. An editor, and perhaps the original author, need to update and revise the biography. Gwelfman (talk) 21:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Also the date of his death is listed as one particular date at the top of this page and as a different date at the bottom of the “Life” section. 2001:569:7C25:B900:6881:7F1E:A84D:B5CA (talk) 04:54, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I believe I was mistaken, in that the death date for Chava (his spouse) seems to be different in these sections. 2001:569:7C25:B900:6881:7F1E:A84D:B5CA (talk) 04:57, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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