Talk:Atheism and religion

message: granted you mean well with an intro, could we imply these are ideologies as opposed to atheists being religious or spritual? Perhaps we could include humanism and materialism, etc.
Just a thought? Somerset219 02:45, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm.. after some thought, I guess you could add another section in this article about Ideologies that involve atheism.... or maybe atheism and other belief systems. Monkey Brain(untalk) 03:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiritual atheism and rationalistic churches 

message: Well, I started a section on non-religious ideologies.  It would be really splufty if there were some statistics about adherents to those philosophies.  For that matter, it would be nice to have stats on overlap between atheists and religiousness, if there are any surveys which have data showing people declaring themselves to be religious and atheistic. -- Beland 19:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Statistics

message: I'd like to know the point of this page before I make any major edits.  What can be achieved here that can't be done on each religion's respective pages?
139.102.241.40 00:37, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Point of this page

message: The Christianity section, at least, seems pretty obviously biased against Christianity.  I'd rewrite it, but I'm afraid I'd only move the bias around, not actually remove it.  Perhaps we could get a Christian, agnostic, or particularly level-headed atheist to rewrite it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by UndZiggy (talk • contribs) 02:01, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: "Marxism tends to be atheistic because of Marx's philosophy of nature that matter comes first and mind comes second, there is no design and this is all an accident. Marx even argued that "Religion is the opium of the masses", that it was used by the bourgeoisie to control the people. The Communist parties in the Communist countries only allowed atheists into their party, in fact some went far by persecuting religions, like Albania under Enver Hoxha where it was declared the world's first atheist state. However, the Communist party in Cuba, since 1991, has allowed theists and people of all other religions into their party."
This needs to be re-written, seriously  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.72.130.128 (talk) 01:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? AzureFury  (talk | contribs) 15:02, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not so good 

message: The first sentence in the Scientology section is noteworthy in relation to large or well known atheistic "religions", however the latter part is completely pointless in relation to the article. The recognition or objection to the idea or belief in a "soul" has no place in relation to atheism. The section addresses it as if the concept of a "soul" as Scientologists would understand it somehow creates a vagueness or debate whether or not Scientology is atheistic at it's core.
Scientology claims to accept all faiths, even those believing in a higher power. However it flatly rejects the existence of any higher power. In fact specifically claiming that the belief in a higher power, God, god, gods and deities are the result of "brainwashing" and are in fact false, put there in order to blah blah blah, so on and so forth.
I'm removing the latter and suggesting someone else re-write it, or merge it into another section, so it doesn't remain a space taking blurb. 203.206.17.120 (talk) 07:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientology 

message: The only example here is from the United States. There must be other countries where this has come up. - 220.101 talk\Contribs 02:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not any with Wikipedia editors who care. AzureFury  (talk | contribs) 15:36, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal status of atheism as a religion 

message: How is it that the absence definition has snuck its way in here as not only primary but singular.  Atheism as a the absence of theism is not commonly used by scholars and when used is controversial and contested.  Can someone please explain?  Thanks.Griswaldo (talk) 11:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it.  It doesn't make sense to define atheism in the first sentence anyway.  A link to the entry suffices.Griswaldo (talk) 11:40, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absence definition 

message: This article rarely has any views and the information contained in it is available under wikipedia's article on atheism.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronwayneodonahue (talk • contribs) 22:06, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean "the article rarely has any views"? You're welcome to pursue WP:AfD, however, I think the topic is probably notable.   — Jess· Δ♥ 22:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Article 

message: According to a review of GSS data:
Where would this fit best? un☯mi 07:55, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting but relates only to a very small if powerful  minority of humans. maybe a cut down version under American law?Timpo (talk) 09:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheists and Church attendance 

message: Doesn't this relate to this topic: 109th Sura (chapter) of the Qur'an, the Al-Kafirun (also called Atheists, The Unbelievers)  99.109.127.141 (talk) 07:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Al-Kafirun]]? 

message: I inserted this as the introduction is a bit confusing, and it seems to encapsulate the spirit of religious atheism ofer the ages Timpo (talk) 14:45, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alain de Botton: Religion for Atheists  

message: The Lead section needs to be rewritten to be a concise summary of the article. Editor2020, Talk 01:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite Lead 

message: Kafir does not mean atheist. It means disbeliever, and not disbeliever in God, dis-believer in our god. In the Qur'an it's used for non-muslisms, almost always as a metaphor totum pro parte, for the alleged polytheists of Medina who serve as the antagonists in the Meccan suras of the Qur'an (1, 2, 3). Today, in a casual contexts kafir can be used for anyone who isn't Muslim with no ill intent or feeling behind it. The most common word for atheist is mul7id. Dahri also exists, meaning temporal minded. Historically and religiously, zindiq (heretic) and murtad (apostate) are used. They are derogatory. 
The section in general is of low equality. I suspect the editor who wrote it made it for the sake of coverage rather than providing anything accurate or insightful. It's also original research since it depends on no secondary sources. It needs to be rewritten. 
This is not an invitation for POV white washing. -- 94.174.73.195 (talk) 17:57, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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message: I just happened by and I observed that the various religious views of atheism are discussed, but only the views of Islam are quoted from religious texts. And extensively so. It's completely unbalanced. I feel that someone is using this page to promote Islam on this issue. No one would use Wikipedia to promote their own interests, would they? Try simply citing the relevant sections instead of using Wikipedia to promote one religion over all others. That's my impression and proposed solution. I could be wrong, of course. --Lawfare (talk) 00:37, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islam Over Emphasized