Talk:Onufry Zagłoba

message: I hope someone in the "redactional staff" will use and put these ideas here into the articles.:
Zaglobas young years are not clearly known, as hinted in the Zagloba article. His friends in the books also admits his ancestry isnt really clear nor proved.
In the "With fire and sword" about the great Ukrainian uprising, there is a key sequence, which needs a nearer analysing.
Zagloba takes on him successfully the disguise and role of an old wandering beggar ministrel, a "did", singing and playing wellknown folklore ukrainian songs, doing it apparently very well and in perfect ukrainian. Everyone around him apparently do accept him as such, nobody even suspecting he is a Pole or a nobleman. He is living as such at least several weeks. It is apparently much more than sheer disguise and pretending.
Conclussion? Zagloba is not just having some superficial knowledge because his friend the stable boy in his home was ukrainian. He IS an Ukrainian in blood and bone, born and raised in a village, drinking the folklore, music in full both with mothers milk, and also as he grew up. He may even have such a "did" as his father or grandfather.
The persona of a polish, somewhat eccentric, nobile he got himself later in his life, as a grown up man.
Somewhat similiar analysis can be said of several others of the main persons and his friends.
Longin Podbipieta is very apparently of a "white russian" family, and not just polish Lithuanian. But also the typical Pole, the colonel Wolodyjowski, has probably his roots in Ukraina, being a "rusin". It is no coincidence his first regiment was of "rusin" dragoons.
A lot of other officers and nobiles, with polish sounding names, do apparently have their roots from there, ukrainians or "rusin" or tatars.
Thus, these wonderful books are mirroring the complicated, multi-ethnical society of these days in these parts of the world. They had polish nobility or were officers in the polish army, but their roots could and did come from many different sources - very often from the local folks deep sources. ///StefanZ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.228.238.250 (talk) 07:05, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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message: "Everyone who heard that were laughing from Swedish king." Who laughed at what?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.158.165.246 (talk) 20:05, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
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message: "I u możnych dziwny" is a quote from Kazania sejmowe: "Przez nię będę miał sławę u ludzi, i uczczenie młody od starych i będę ostry w rozsądku i u możnych dziwny", which is in its turn a quote from Wisdom 8:11: 
:" Habebo propter hanc claritatem ad turbas, et honorem apud seniores juvenis; et acutus inveniar in judicio; et in conspectu potentium admirabilis ero et facies principum mirabuntur me"
:(var1) For her sake I shall have glory among the multitude, and honour with the ancients, though I be young; And I shall be found of a quick conceit in judgment, and shall be admired in the sight of the mighty, and the faces of princes shall wonder at me.
:(var2) Through her (said I) I shall win fame in the assembly, find honour, though so young, amidst the elders. If I sit in judgement, quick wit shall be mine, that shall strike awe into the princes when I appear before them, the admiration of the great.
Here is the comparison with the "original" Greek version, and the two lines "et in conspectu.." and "et facies.." are two rendering of a single Greek line "και εν οψει δυναστων θαυμασθησομαι". - Altenmann >talk 06:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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