Talk:McDonald's/Archive 2

message: The maple ridge in Canada boasts the first ever McCafe ever, (in 2000 if I'm not mistaken, I'll check whenever I go there. It was in the newspaper too. Perhaps this should be added to the bottom? If it's no mentioned already, (and I don't think it is), McCafe was created in order to compete with starbucks. I think this should be added. I'm thinking:
"The first such McCafé was installed at an existing McDonald's resturant location in Maple Ridge, Canada."
The year can be added later, when I go check, or if anyone knows.
"McCafé was created by the McDonald's corporation as a competitior to the large and expanding Starbucks."
I also think something like the above immidiate sentence should be added as well. --mike, yeah I'll get a username one of these days.
The menu boasts the standard bistro fare, including paninis, coffee and espresso drinks, and baked goods and pastries, and all menu items are available for take-out.
I'm new to editing, but I must say the McCafe entry reads somewhat like an advertisement rather than a wikipedia entry, take "comfortable leather chairs and couches, natural wood accents, and bistro style tables, the ambience is that of a typical modern coffee shop. Dine-in patrons forego the plastic trays and paper wrappers for the more elegant china plates and stainless silverware." Without wanting to jump in myself and make an inexperienced mistake on a key article, is it possible this could be redrafted? Jamestplunkett 23:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  McCafé 

message: I deleted this section, which only had one entry. The entry that existed was not important: just an unusual pronunciation of a McD's product. The article already has a list of nicknames for the restaurant chain (which one person has suggested deleting); a list of nicknames for products would be too much. I don't think the section could be expanded with useful facts, either. Odd unrelated facts about any subject are usually not encyclopedic. DDerby 06:07, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  McDonalds's Trivia and Fun Facts 

message: Can anyone please tell me if, there is anywhere in any of the books on manageing a McDonald's..What it tells you to do when you have sick crew people show up for shifts?? Or what to do if you have 9 out of 11 people in a store that become sick at one time??? Thank you for any ideas anyone may have and for your help in this matter... I have never seen anything and was wondering
-I work at McDonald's, and at our store at least, what to do with a sick crew member is really a decision that the manager will make based on what they personally think should be done as well as how busy we are.  An understaffed store can borrow crew members from another location nearby.
:And in general practice, unless they're presenting with signs of serious foodborne illness, they're kept on the clock, but ServSafe says that sick employees should be sent home regardless of how sick they are to prevent contamination of the food (or other crew members). I don't know what McDonald's has to say on it, but generally, like said above, it's a manager call.  Hope you're not in a store in the middle of no where, though... :-) CQJ 17:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the food is already poisonous, what could it hurt? Also, McDonald's doesn't put stores in the middle of nowhere. You're confusing them with Hardee's. Wahkeenah 00:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Books on McDonald's

message: "Some franchisees in the Middle East have been targets of arson and other acts of violence because the business represents, to the attackers, an invasion by American business and culture that they oppose based on a nationalist or Islamist ideology."
I'm trying to decide if this sentence is racist or not because of "Islamist ideology". I imagine that there is no supporting evidence for the motives of the arsonists, but I think the idea that American culture invades other countries is relevant (especially for a huge company like McD). So I am removing "Islamist ideology" and leaving it with just nationalism. If you have an objection, please don't forget NPOV. :) Daev 19:20, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Challenges Section 

message: What is the apostrophe in McDonald's supposed to mean? Is this some sort of ellipsis meaning McDonald's restaurant? --Abdull 11:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of apostrophe 

message: McDonald's Corporation → McDonald's - Actually, a certain unreachable anon user already did this as a cut-and-paste, screwing up the edit history; this should probably be fixed if possible. tregoweth 12:58, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
:I have reverted it so the move can be made via this request if there is a consensus to do so. Philip Baird Shearer 10:57, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: If you eat it you disgust me. Go eat some steak with fries instead. Also, diners serve better food and faster! BRING DINERS BACK! Diners are a true American tradition and diner food sure beats a McNasty. 209.124.115.174
:...And your point is..? --Thorri 12:29, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  McD is pretty nasty 

message: I remopved the following entry added to the timeline by an anon, until confirmation:
*1974: On June 19, the first McDonald's opens in Guatemala.
mikka (t) 23:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guatemala 

message: The article mentions Johnsonville Brats as a Wisconsin exclusive. This is not correct. These were available last year in Michigan as well, at least in Battle Creek, for a limited period. They were brought back this year, and MAY have been available there in 2003 as well.
On a similar note, I recall there being something called a Summertime Sandwich or something like that one year in the mid '90s. Not that it's important, but does anyone else recall something like that?
:I also live in Michigan (near Grand Rapids) and Johnsonville brats have been available as a temporary item on and off for a few years now. -- 24.11.90.115 09:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Johnsonville Brats 

message: I was just wondering, since I do. Thats the only reason that I decided to look it up. LOL. Anyways, whoever deleted "the golden arches" and mickey-D's" from the nicknames list, is completely wrong. Mickey-D's sweet tea is even wrote on our signs and menu board where I work. And I've heard a lot of people call it the golden arches. :) Well if u have any questions, I could mast likely answer them. :) (64.12.117.10 04:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do any of you work at Mcdonald's?  

message: According to this wiki entry, the McLibel trial lasted for 2 and a half years. According to the McLibel wiki entry (which i just linked) , it lasted for 7 years. which is it? Bwithh 23:46, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: McLibel trial length

message: There was an anon edit to the board members, and I could not find a source to support it, or the previous list. There are new reports of Richard H. Lenny being appointed in September, and he is not on the list. 1 AntiVan 01:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy 

message: I don't particularly care for McDonald's, but I noticed one of the sandwiches is listed as "Big and Nasty". Could someone verufy if this is the name of the sandwich (I doubt it is).
:Big and Tasty--Terenceong1992 06:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  big and nasty? 

message: Japanese McDonald's have tons of weird menu items. I haven't researched this, but I think they have new items every month, or at least on a regular basis. Some examples are egg burgers ("Tamago Mac Burger" I think), different variations of shrimp burgers, and fish nuggets called "Fish McDippers". Also, McDonald's in Japan sell fried chicken on Christmas day, but I'm not sure if that's worth mentioning as it has more to do with the Japanese custom of eating fried chicken for Christmas. -- 24.11.90.115 10:04, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funky Japanese menu items 

message: In a timeline article for 2005 regarding new policy in Australian McDonalds locations, it states that food is "Made for you" (made AFTER you order it, so it is fresher). The article then goes on to say that service times during rush hours will hence be SHORTER. Please explain the logic behind this?!? --SnakeSoldier 11:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:   Please explain how service times are faster? 

message: I think there are too many images in the article.  Would anyone object to removing some?  Specifically, I would remove the ones for which McD's is not the focus of the image (we don't need 100 Asian McD's!). --ʀ6ʍɑʏ89 21:13, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *SUGGESTION: Check out the London Millennium Bridge page. It has a section titled Gallery. I believe this will make this site look cleaner and better organized. I'm looking for valid arguments for and against this format. Pattersonc 19:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean we don't need 100 Asian McD's? I like the idea of a gallery, will be much neater. Somehow I feel that the article is too US-centric. --Terence Ong 10:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that the McDonalds experience is near homogenous - isn't that the very essence of the brand? Sad to say I've eaten in McDonalds in 4 continents and they are much the same the world over. We emphatically do not need a truckload of photos in my humble opinion. --kingboyk 19:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the image gallery idea is a good one. Someone should do this. --Mark 10:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many images 

message: So what links are actually allowed on this entry? Ive seen plenty and now ive seen a killjoy delete them all. So what externals are actually allowed? Fkmd 12:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: * WikiWeakness #3792 – “facts” presented on various Wikipages conflict with “facts” presented on other Wikipages. 
In this case the opening paragraph purports that the corporation has a retail presence in 122 nations. This is simply McDonald’s corporation propaganda and can be dismissed as nothing more than boastful hype. The link at the bottom of the page to “List of countries with McDonald's franchises” reveals that in fact McDonalds has a retail presence in just over 90 sovreign nations.
For example, corporate propaganda counts Guam, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the United States as five different nations. Corporate propaganda continues to list China, Hong Kong, and Macau as three different “nations.” Their figures are super-sized for public consumption, but lack basic credibility.
The count of nations should be just that. If this Wikipgae is going to simply follow the company line, then a disclaimer is justified. The disclaimer should point out that McDonalds is, in fact, not in 122 nations – but 122 nations, commonwealths, dependencies, territories, and special administrative zones.   
Cletus J. "Bubba" Huckabee Jr. 03:28, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then change 'nations' but don't change '122' would be my opinion (it actually says '119 countries' at the moment; if the objection still stands 'countries and territories' might be better). Most people I think would not assume Guam and the USA to be one and the same, and a fair number of people would not even assume Hong Kong and China to be the same (an ongoing wiki debate alas). --kingboyk 19:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiWeakness 

message: The Millenium Dome was the UK's 1000th restaurant, not 2000th.  The company still only has around 1300 restaurants in the UK. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.88.252.20 (talk • contribs) .
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They had 2 stores in the Dome area, Store 1000 and Store 1001. 1001 was actually inside the tent and "UK1000" was outside as you entered the main entrance. Fkmd 03:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Millenium Dome 

message: I hope I'm not missing anything, so I put back the information missing after this edit by , who has a history of vandalism.  I was slightly hesitant because there was no revert in two days. --HeteroZellous 18:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-adding deleted information 

message: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-02/20/content_4202843.htm
-therearenospoons 11:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This just in:  "McDonald's sued for having milk, wheat in french fries" 

message: Sure, the McDonald's Massacre was notable, but the history section is already very crowded. We should probably list all the other multiple murders in a section in the McDonald's Massacre article, rather than in the history section here. There is room for more detail in the separate article. I've got no problem with them being mentioned in the main article, it's just that the history section isn't the best place to cover them. ProhibitOnions 10:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List massacres in history?

message: I have often heard people in Australia (Queensland to be specific) say that the Chayote or Choko (as it is know there)is one of the main ingredients used in Mcdonalds Apple Pie's,or whatever they are called. (obviously instead of Apple or as a filler with apple) Similiary I have heard is that they are used in Cherry Ripes (a chocalate bar, like Mars Bar) which seems to be native of only Australia and possibly New Zealand.
Anyone heard this or is this just Urban Myth?--195.171.131.152 10:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can assure they do not use any type of melon products in their American sold apple pies. I eat them from time to time, and have no problems, as im highly allergic to plants of the Cucurbitaceae family.--Azslande 20:33, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is also illegal to not list ingredients correctly.  --  Zanimum 18:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apple Pies?

message: As it previously read, the McCafé section stated that McCafés were introduced in Australia, but also said the first McCafé was in NC.  This didn't made sense to me, so I editted it to say the first US McCafé was in NC.  If I'm incorrect here, please revert it...JWR 15:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  McCafé 

message: It seems like this page is constantly being vandalized. There can't be that much real new info about McD's, so why doesn't someone protect it??? Wahkeenah 11:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because that's not how Wikipedia works. Even if there's no new info, this article could always be made better -- a lot better, I think. So we happily revert vandalism as we wait for the right editor to come along....
Right... but most vandalization is done by unregistered or new editors. Maybe it's just too amusing for the admins to stop? - The Lake Effect 17:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection? 

message: The Good article nomination for  has failed
:The lead section is inadequate for an article of this length, and the history section should be properly written instead of being a bullet-pointed list.  An article like this also really needs the better scrutiny of peer review and FAC.  Worldtraveller 16:00, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good Article]] [[Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations|nomination]] has failed 

message: I think it should be noted that every McDonald's establishment (at least the ones I've seen) have (in order from top to bottom) the US flag, the state flag, and the McDonald's flag, similar to the logo on the page.  Also, does this apply in Canada or other nations?--Attitude2000 01:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flags outside establishment 

message: I don't understand why disjoint the main article in little articles if some sections are not enough developed. I understand to divide when the article is too large and certain sections are big, but this is no the case. I think somebody from the corporation do not agree with the criticism and NPOV. --GengisKanhg (my talk) 19:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disjoint the main article 

message: The link about McDonald's and soya farmers via Greenpeace is dead, and now goes to different take-action thing about KFC.  Should it be changed?  Dropped?  --Jkonrath 18:05, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Reference dead link 

message: the tone of this entry seems quite fluffy. in addition, the links are oddly technical and tepid given the huge amounts of scrutiny this company has received. i am not referring to the msdonald's bashing fad sites, but more the comprehensive and respected  pages. i wonder why. any ideas?
:Please don't add nonsense to articles, and be sure to sign your comments, like me. I like McDonald's and so should you.--Ccosta 03:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, you should be lovin' it. Wahkeenah 23:20, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's right to tell people they should either like or not like any products, on wikipedia, even on a talk page. Garrie 03:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I don't think it's right to raise one's kids without a sense of humor. Wahkeenah 03:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how much does mcdonalds pay the guy who maintains this page? 

message: Feed the first line of the German page to Babelfish, and you get:
:The McDonald's corporation is the world largest company of nearly Food restaurants.
Arbitrary username 19:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  nearly food 

message: Why must every single Wikipedia subject have a "criticisms" subject? Why not just state the facts and that's it? Having a criticisms section just invites political POV trolls. I'd like to propose starting off on the right foot and deleting the criticisms section.--Rotten 19:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just state the facts. Have no POV at all. I don't know why every single thing in Wikipedia needs a criticism section, it's just a troll magnet.--Rotten 14:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That theory makes the assumption that the facts are fully known and agreed upon. Wahkeenah 01:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Citable facts can be presented, but criticisms are not needed. They are completely uncyclopedic. Wikipedia is purporting to be an encyclopedia, isn't it? Anyway, I would like to propose that this useless section be deleted.--Rotten 15:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've already got folks complaining that this page is written by McDonald's Corporation, and you want to make it more so? Wahkeenah 18:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why have a criticisms section? 

message: "He would have been an interesting addition to a squad that already featured a player named Howard Johnson." -- could someone explain this for the rest of the world please? Just a quick note would be fab!  Huseyx2 18:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howard Johnson 

message: I've expanded the intro and added a sentence that refers to the criticism McDonald's has received. I think this is important a) in the interests of balance and b) because it is central to the identity of McDonald's in most peoples' minds. Whether or not you agree with the criticism that has been directed at the firm, most people are aware of it. I think this should be included in the intro because, as some users have pointed out on this page, most of information at the top of the page sounds very pro-McDonald's. 
What else is needed before McDonald's can be nominated for Good Article status again? Gruffle Gaw 10:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: I think the legal section needs expanding. McDonald's have been involved in instances of legal action - some pertaining to cases outlined in the criticism section, some not. A more comprehensive overview of these would be helpful. I will do some research over the next couple of weeks. Perhaps a list of cases should be bullet pointed and put into chronological order, though I understand presenting the history section like this sabotaged the Good Article nomination. What do others think? Gruffle Gaw 10:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal section 

message: At the risk of being pedantic, there is a grammatical inconsistency running through the article involving the words 'their' and 'its' and their logical extensions. For the record, the correct grammar is:
*McDonald's held its pay review this week
Not:
*McDonald's held their pay review this week
While McDonald's is an organisation that employs many individuals, collectively they form one entity. Hence, the use of 'its', not 'their' when we refer to the firm. 
The word 'their' should be used when we are refering to the people within the company, rather than the company itself. For example:
*Employees of McDonalds had their pay review this week
Not:
*Employees of McDonalds had its pay review this week
The word 'its' doesn't have an apostrophe in this context - that is reserved for a contraction of 'it is'.
There are examples within this article where the correct and incorrect usage appear in the same sentence. This does not do much to improve its credibility.
I hope this helps to clarify the situation. I will go through the article and change the offending words. Gruffle Gaw 10:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Their and its 

message: References need to be properly listed in the references section at the end of the article as well as numbered where they appear. Gruffle Gaw 16:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Comment: Relocated comment posted in wrong location. I just moved it, this is not my comment. -- Gogo Dodo 06:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsigned comment 

message: Nothing about Günter Wallraff here, and that article has nothing about McDonald's! see de:McDonald’s --Espoo 12:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing important investigative journalism 

message: I'm genuinely interested in learning more about the whole McPizza thing -- How it happened, why it happened, details about dates (I recall the product launch in my area being the early-mid nineties, but can't recall when the product was abandoned), why it didn't work out, etc.  At the time, it seemed like a slam dunk, and I recall that the local pizza places were quaking in their boots thinking that they were going to get wiped out.  I haven't found much online about it -- can anyone point to some sources?
209.202.70.226 13:26, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  McPizza -- Details? 

message: "From 2005 McDonald's has offered more healthful alternatives"
Is healthful even a real word? Ironcorona 12:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: i put my ==see also== wiki links in the criticism links section, yet the editor said it was POV and that noone forces you to eat at mcdonalds. Its simply a point of view to some critical links, and or sociology links.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Portillo (talk • contribs) 11:30, 25 October 2006.
*The inclusion of those various links was clearly intended as POV-pushing, as making a "political statement" about McDonald's. That's why I deleted them. There's already plenty of criticism that focuses specifically on McD's policies. Wahkeenah 03:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: how strange

message: I noticed that when i tried to add a tag "" assuming it would produce something like "[better cite needed]" I get a external link pointing like this: 
Now, is this a joke, or a deliberate tag for some un/used need, or just an easter egg? Idleguy 09:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funny tag or Easter Egg?