Talk:Norteños

message: Only way this could make it onto the wiki page is first, if it is sourced, and second if it is summed up in one paragraph, in correct english. Though references could be made within the article to the original text if necessary for context.
Also keep in mind the rules on edit warring and WP:3RR.Helixweb (talk) 07:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Sickero, edit warring is what you and 74.228.158.68 were doing, reverting each other's edits repeatedly without discussing on the talk page or working towards consensus. If you guys both do that, the article suffers and consensus is never reached. In regards to the santa rita rules, if you have a source for it, I would definitely recommend putting it in, but I would summarize it, instead of just pasting the whole thing into the article. Thanks and please let me know if you have any other questions.Helixweb (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Santa Rita Rules

message: That why i did not revert it. Im kinda new to the editing thing. so when I checked it I realized it had no reference. whats edit warring ? Sickero (talk) 09:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Sickero, edit warring is what you and 74.228.158.68 were doing, reverting each other's edits repeatedly without discussing on the talk page or working towards consensus. If you guys both do that, the article suffers and consensus is never reached. In regards to the santa rita rules, if you have a source for it, I would definitely recommend putting it in, but I would summarize it, instead of just pasting the whole thing into the article. Thanks and please let me know if you have any other questions.Helixweb (talk) 18:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: re : santa rita 

message: The HHP found at the Santa Rita Jail. This is exactly as I found them and I feel making the rules in a list detracts from the orignal form.
:I only put it in a list. The text is not changed and is onkly wikified. The sloppy list makes people confused, but nested bullets clear things up. Feel free to discuss things on my talk page if you have any questions or comments.  — Stevey7788 (talk) 22:05, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The data isn't changed. The list makes it easier to read, and nothing is changed. However, there will be no more wikifying of the list. — Stevey7788 (talk) 20:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dont edit 

message: The largest prison gang in the United States is La EME, the rivals of these guys. Thts a fact. When I researched this Surenos or the Mexican Mafia is located in every state Penetentiary.
I think this page should be moved to Norteños for consistency with Sureños. In its plural form, there's no need for it to be disambiguated.
Also, is "the biggest, strongest, most notorious prison gang" NPOV?
—Wiki Wikardo
Yes that is definitely a neutral point of view. It is the most organized, but thats it. Who ever said all that about it?
Norteños asta la muerte step into our basrios you better pop a cuete  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.155.216.39 (talk) 21:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving page/NPOV

message: .ALL FLAMED UP IN RED IZ WUT I DO $K ALL DAY EVEVRYDAY $CRAPA$ COME TO NORTHERN CALIFA$ AND SEE WUT HAPPENDS TO YOU::  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.67.6 (talk) 17:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clothing? 

message: "4.AT NO TIME WILL ANY N. ENDULGE IN ANY HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITY, SEX PLAY, HORSE PLAY, SETRIPPIN, INDIVIDUALISM, OR HOMEBOY FAVORITISM."
Any ideas on what "SETRIPPIN" means?
I think it means to disgrace another homeboy in the same "set" or "click" because bringing another homeboy down is like saying that you are better than the whole gang.--Sureno-thug13 15:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SETRIPPIN 

message: Where did the insult Sraps meaning Surenos come from?
CUZ THEY RAT IF THEY GET COUGHT$K
Scraps are something you dont need anymore. Other than that, not sure. Thunderlippps 10:37, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scrapas,rats 

message: I'm not sure if the Norte XIV colors are red and black or just straight red.
*It's red but black can be addedGerman16rs 17:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The only official color is red, right? 

message: The POV statement that norteno affiliates and norteno discussion is more prevalent online than other gangs discussion appears to be discounted via a simple google search for results. keyword sureno resulted in 888,000 results. Keyword Norteno resulted in 555.000 results (and no pictures). keywords "sureno, gang" resulted in 62,900. while "norteno,gang" results were 34,600. (results for "crip", 1,960,000) Thunderlippps 03:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nortenos and surenos online 

message: Should the list of allies and enemies list where the gangs are based or where they are actively allied or against Nortenos? Listing where they are from would be simpler and easier to verify, but I think listing where they are allied or not is more significant. Of course for some gangs like the folks or crips, listing an alliance can be nebulous and confusing because they are sometimes enemies and sometimes allied depending on the situation. 
Thunderlippps 15:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: allies/enemies

message: according to sources the deadly feud between northern gangsters and southern gangsters have been stretched back to the 1950 or 1960s between mexicans wether it be first second or third generations they have always had some kind of a presence. unlike new york which had its gangs since almost the beggining of time has always had its different ethnicities. in the movie gangs of new york we see that the gangs divided themselves becasue security was a factor and that meant jobs etc. there were the irish, germans, "natives", scottish,italians, jews etc. and this was a reason it caused so much conflict between them. in california we have a state that was admitted 31st in the u.s. from mexicans. california is one of about a handful of states bordering a "third world" country. third world countries are in a very bad shape. yet the u.s. is not a 2nd or 1st world country but the most powerul country in the world and with such an easy access to it not seen anywhere else because there is no other 3rd world country in the back yard as this one bordering it. its basically a first come first served situation. now in 2009 we are seeing a much much more diverse situation and mexicans, mexican americans, chicanos, natives, and latinos or whatever are stil the dominant force on the streets. when a hispanic goes to jail in california he has to decide wether to sit with mexicans, orxican americans (northener/ southerner). there is no i will sit here because im a central american, south american. it just doesnt work that way because of the issue of these two different yet so close countries. this is another reason we see this "wall/ fence" between the two nations. the predominant hispanic in the west is without a doubt mexican rooted people. the u.s. has a censory data agenda to update every other year or so and it is not always correct. mexico probably does the same and there are some parts where it is totally unknown. there are so many ethnicities in mexico: from south and central amricas to far east asians, middle easterns, europeans, and blacks. in california, the gangs are predominantly black, white, asian, and mexican.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ptolemy vega (talk • contribs) 03:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  nortenos vs surenos 

message: I referenced the fact that Crips are in an alliance with Nortenos. Some Bloods are, but to be honest Nortenos get along with Crips a lot more than Bloods. This is due to the fact that they share the same color, and Nortenos have been sportin red long before Bloods. Since my previous unreferenced Crip alliance edit was removed, I have removed other alliances that are not only false, but unreferenced. We are not allies with Bloods, it was never established, it will never be established. There are only small sets that get along with Bloods, but never officially established in prison. We get along with Latin Kings more than Bloods, and LK used to align with Surenos - that says enough.
I have it cited, do not remove it again. If you do not discuss this issue before editing, I will revert it back to my previous edits.
--Azteca Imperio 21:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crip Norteno Alliance C-14 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There's also Nortenos sets in Mexico Arthur89G (talk) 19:40, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nortenos & Crips aren't rivals  

message: Don't edit  Arthur89G (talk) 19:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's Norteno sets in Mexico, Don't edit  

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message: Not sure why this hasn't been added, but the Surenos and Nortenos have had a truce in the prison systems as of 2011.  It's part of the End To Hostilities Act, which involved a permanent truce and hunger strike in order to release the Big Homies from solitary confinement.  This was successful, and the truce is still on, which also includes the Aryan Brotherhood and what's left of the Black Gorilla Family. S7T8U9 (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sureno and Norteno alliance 

message: This should probably be moved to Norteños (gangs), as the term Norteño itself is usually used for someone that's from Northern Mexico or even the Southwestern United States, its even a term for a Regional Mexican music genre Norteño (music). The default connotation for Norteños is most certainly not solely the gang. 71.228.115.97 (talk) 22:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading title 

message: This article states: " The statewide north–south dividing line between Norteños and Sureños has roughly been accepted as Bakersfield, California." The Sureños article states: "The statewide north-south dividing line between Norteños and Sureños has roughly been accepted as the cities of Salinas and Fresno." I understand this isn't a scientific fact, so maybe it's better to just remove mention of this boundary from both articles.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.47.20.47 (talk) 20:03, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed this, too. The articles they cite, neither give the borderline city. RyanDanielst (talk) 22:52, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistent territory border 

message: I cut a strange unsourced discussion of 13th st and 38th st gang colors (blue), different southern california gangs that have nothing to do with the red of Norteños Desqjockey (talk) 21:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insignia 

message: Why are Los Santos and San Andreas listed here from the GTA game? Weird.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:4483:4850:F518:8A16:95:DA9E (talk) 18:48, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  GTA References