Talk:Argead dynasty

message: The Argeads origin is Argos according to Herodotus. (and I'm not the anonymous editor). MATIA 11:45, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: αι Αργεαδαι ειναι ή οι Αργεαδαι?
something about the native Greek terms.
CuteHappyBrute (talk) 03:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Οι Αργεάδαι. - Sthenel (talk) 09:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: αι ή οι?

message: The mythology has to be highlighted as such, as Heracle is claimed to be the great grandson of the founder of the dynasty. The existence of such dynasty is only a claim. The mythological character of the claims makes it further dubious and the dynasty should be appointed as a claim rather than fact. Alexander I claimed to be from Argos only to participate in the Olympics but he also claimed to be a descendant of Heracle which is certainly not real. Nobody can dispute that the Heraclian descent of these kings is untrue. What we are writing here, a fairy tale or an encyclopedia? Prone to dispute is the actual Argos. There are other ancient settlements by the same name Argos:
*Amphilochian Argos, an ancient settlement in Amphilochia
*Argos Orestiko, a town in the southwest-central part of Kastoria (not surely an ancient settlement - so most likely not the case)
*Argos Pelasgikon, an ancient settlement in Thessaly Judist (talk) 22:10, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is "Heracle"?  Btw, in case you didn't notice, the article only says the Argeads claimed descent from Heracles, not the they actually were descended from him. There is nothing untrue or controversial about this statement.  Athenean (talk) 22:29, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This dynasty has even a mythical founder. Was him, Caranus of Macedon even real? Is the dynasty a myth story/claim or a serious historical fact?  This article is about mythology, but the story about the dynasty containing unscientific myths is treated as a matter of fact throughout the articles. E.g. Philip: "Dynasty: Agread". More neutral would be said that he claimed to be part of such dynasty if so. This dynasty is unlike most others and contains much fiction which should be clarified throughout the articles. The route of the mythological founder Caranus on a real map implies that his trip was real. I assume that the claim of the kings for the trip on the map can be trusted as much as their claim for Heraclian descent.Judist (talk) 23:07, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Everything in the article, including the map, is sourced. Athenean (talk) 23:14, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: At the lead of Caranus of Macedon it is sourced that he is a mythical founder of that dynasty which means that any his trip or his brothers' or father's trip is mythical is not POV as you say. The map is sourced to a primary source and to a very old source, with the same justifications claims of older authors are disregarded at some articles. Judist (talk) 00:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If you had actually bothered to check the sources of the map, instead of speaking without knowing, you would see that it's soruced to at least three different modern sources .  Athenean (talk) 04:59, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact or fiction