Talk:Andrew Mitchell

message: In connection with allegations that this gentleman abused Police officers on duty in Downing Street, it may appear odd to some that he has admitted (e.g. here <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19690240>) to using the the 'f' word  in an abusive manner, but has strenuously denied using the word 'Pleb'.  According to this BBC article by Ben Milne(<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19673697>) immediately before the Paralympic Games, a government agency released a rather cruel newsletter,mocking the problem of what it described as 'People Lacking Everyday Basic Skills' - a reminder  about disabled 'Hate Crime' was issued, and use of this acronym was subsequently banned on threat of instant dismissal - this fact may help put current events into perspective.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.235.204 (talk) 08:34, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "P.L.E.B.S."  - an offensive Conservative HQ Acronym for Disabled People? 

message: The article states that Andrew Mitchell is a trustee of the EM Research Trust and cites a broken link.  Here is the actual page of trustees.  He is not included, but other MPs are:
http://www.radiationresearch.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=12
Please find out whether this is true.
telewatho (talk) 21:36, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trustee of EM Radiation Research Trust 

message: According to an entry in the Daily Mail 'Comments Section' that accompanying revelations of bullying party workers, Mitchell's army career entry is inaccurate.  The post alleges the following:
"As for his vaunted Army Peacekeeping career, he was a full-time regular in 1975 for only seven months before being transferred to the reserves when he secured a placement to go to university. He resigned his commission barely a year and a half later in 1977, for a total of approx two years service. .."
 - ChrisC, Cardiff, 22/9/2012.
Is this true?  Is there any way to check  his army career details against official records? Lot of good men and women have died in service, so army career details should be 100% accurate. The main article is titled "'I felt full force of Mitchell's rage': Student volunteer claims she was at the end of angry phone call from Chief Whip over newspaper article'. <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2206484/Police-say-Andrew-Mitchell-yelled-Ill-job-officer-stopped-riding-bike.html#ixzz27Cp2yBiD>.<P>
@Andy the Grump- this was really a request that an experienced Wiki Editor actually checks the facts against official army records - or at least cites a source for the career details as a 'UN Peacekeeper' -  Conservative Party CV ? the official entry cited here says he resigned from the reserve list: "2nd Lt. (on probation) A. J. B. MITCHELL (499546)resigns his commn., 9th Feb. 1977.".  He was at university for his entire army career - the 'facts' in the main article don't appear to make sense. I mean, there are thousands of guys working on building sites with more distinguished service records than that - and in the Police Force - it does need to be checked out for accuracy.<P>
An edit made to his own constituency website on 22.09.12 has removed all reference to 'UN Peacekeeping ' - it now reads that 'He served with the British Army (Tank Regiment)" - there is no reference to UN service at all there ...the sources should be checked for recent edits too.79.70.233.58 (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a reference to the UN Peacekeeping thing is in this article  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19698442 if you need source for it. 212.250.138.33 (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Army Career Details Hyperinflated? 

message: A link to this unprecedented event should be included in the main article: source: Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2208907/Revenge-PC-Pleb-Police-federation-Chief-Whip-protesting-outside-constituency-office.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.216.142 (talk) 20:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  'PC Plebs' demonstration outside constituency office 

message: I've now merged the two separate treatments of "Plebgate" into a single narrative, under the "Chief Whip" subheading. -- The Anome (talk) 18:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plebgate/resignation merge 

message: It looks like "Plebgate" just got a lot weirder, and potentially a much larger story with ramifications beyond Mitchell himself; new CCTV evidence, an arrest, statements from the police commissioner. Number 10, Police Federation, and the Mayor of London. 
This is all over the UK press. See 
* http://news.sky.com/story/1027265/plebgate-cctv-casts-doubt-on-police-account
* http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9754384/More-to-the-plebgate-row-than-meets-the-eye-says-police-chief-Bernard-Hogan-Howe.html
* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20765374
* http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20775071
and many more for more details. 
Given all this, it will probably make sense to give Plebgate its own standalone article in the near future. -- Chronulator (talk) 02:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't Denzel Cassius Harvey's appeal in November 2011 have an impact on that though? The judge, Mr Justice Bean, ruled that the f word does not offend police since they hear it all the time. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8902770/Swearing-at-police-is-not-a-crime-judge-rules.html 217.42.18.18 (talk) 15:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Not only hasn't he admitted he said the words you attribute to him, he's expressly denied that he did. The CPS guidance is not definitive of the law - it is often wrong - in this case whether or not Mitchell would, on his admitted conduct, be guilty of a s.5 offence seems doubtful to me, but a mere admission of words said is not an admission of the offence. That requires more. Francis Davey (talk) 22:04, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

text: But the judicial precedent is that using the f word at a police officer does not offend them. Therefore although a police officer may be the offended party, if all that was said was "I thought you were supposed to f---ing help us" then that is not sufficient to have offended the police officer. The CPS guidelines do not trump judicial precedent. 217.42.18.18 (talk) 05:57, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Plebgate developments: Plebgate becoming a stand-alone topic? 

message: Can people please be very careful what they say here in reporting the most recent developments in the Plebgate saga? WP:BLP should apply to all those involved in this affair. including not only Mitchell himself, but all others involved. -- Chronulator (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLP issues 

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message: Can we come to a consensus on how this should be laid out and written in the info box. His newly given honorific title — as on gov.uk — is Deputy Foreign Secretary, NOT Deputy Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs. Surely this means it should just be DFS in the info box. I know there is some liberty taken on most info box office titles but, considering this is explicitly written as just Deputy Foreign Secretary on the website, is this not the title we should use.
Additionally should we be linking to David Cameron and if so why do we not do this for the Chief Sec to the Treasury who is the Chancellor's deputy. My view is it should just be the prime minister rather than pm and foreign sec though will leave for the next couple days to see if a consensus is built. Fm675 (talk) 00:15, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Parliament website refers to him officially as "Deputy Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs", in addition to "Deputy Foreign Secretary". This is in line with how Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton is referred to, in both short and long form.   UnicornSherbert (talk) 14:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: But I don't see this title elsewhere. That's only a question asked by the opposition and it cannot be found in Hansard . Mike Rohsopht (talk) 11:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deputy Foreign Secretary