Talk:Rachel Corrie/Archive 3

message: SlimVirgin requested the original San Francisco Chronicle reference in which ISM leader George Rishmawi is quoted as saying this. It is here  and, if the link some day becomes unavailable, the citation is "S.F. Jewish activist held as security threat in Israel/ Social worker appeals deportation order -- colleagues tie it to crackdown on protesters" by Matthew Kalman, Teresa Castle, Chronicle Foreign Service. San Francisco Chronicle, Wednesday, July 14, 2004
The exact quotation is "'When Palestinians get shot by Israeli soldiers, no one is interested anymore,' [George] Rishmawi said. 'But if some of these foreign volunteers get shot or even killed, then the international media will sit up and take notice.'" Bill
:Thanks for finding that, Bill. SlimVirgin (talk) 06:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ramallite brings good source and has a valid point. Zeq 08:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source for George Rishmawi quote about getting "internationals" shot or killed 

message: What makes you suppose that website has any fact-checking process or editorial oversight? This is exactly what I was arguing recently on Fred Bauder's talk page. If you don't like someone's POV, you argue that they're an unreliable source no matter how well qualified they are, but if you agree with them, they're a good source, no matter how unreliable or unqualified. So Mitchell Bard, with a PhD in political science from UCLA, 17 books published, including several about the Arab-Israeli conflict, director of the Jewish Virtual Library, and a former editor of the AIPAC's newsletter on U.S. policy in the Middle East, is not a reliable source, according to you, because you don't like him. But a website set by Rachel Corrie's parents counts as a citable source for you, because you want to use what they say.
As for my lack of reply about my other claims, I don't know what you're referring to. SlimVirgin (talk) 02:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think I can't hurl the same accusations at you?  Get your own house in order.  If Mitchell Bard was an eye-witness to this event, I would definitely link to his account of it, even if it was on his personal web page.  So would you.  --Zerotalk 11:43, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure you can't "hurl the same accusations" at me, because I'm not that kind of editor. I doubt you'll find a single example of me rejecting material from a published author who writes, works, and holds a PhD in an area directly related to the subject matter. The only circumstance I can think of where I'd reject such a source would precisely be if he was involved in the publication on his personal website of contradictory accounts of something he supposedly eyewitnessed, and seemed to be in bed with an organization that made awkward facts disappear without trace from its website. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Zero claimed: "It is not a personal website, it is a legally registered organization with a board of directors."
The "board" is mostly the Corrie family and other similar minded activists so not much of an "oversight" Zeq 11:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The board seems to consist of the Corries; a local social worker who founded the Olympia Rafah Sister City Project; and a member of Ground Zero, a local anti-nuclear group. I wonder how much editorial oversight the latter two exercise over the Corries. SlimVirgin (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Slim, you hit the nail right on the head: "Inconsistent application of policy" is the issue. what you brought is just the tip of the iceberg. I wish Jimbo, ArbCom would notice this as well. Right now  there is no mechanism in wikipedia to create a uniform application and enforcment of policies. Zeq 07:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent application of policy