Talk:List of Hammond organ players

message: I am cleaning up this article and trying to source bits of it. To that end, please do not add any more entries without reference to a reliable source - they may be reverted. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  07:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for cleaning the article up. People such as McCartney who played a Hammond just a few times should not be listed. Binksternet (talk) 16:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleaning up

message: I would not suggest for a moment that anyone adds any links to that pernicious YouTube site, but this collection may be of interest: , if only as an informal indication of who is regarded as notable, in the world of rock at least. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  A nice collection 

message: I've trimmed out a few more unsourced or poorly sourced entires. Christopher North (Ambrosia)'s AllMusic page seems to mainly have a credit of "keyboards", which isn't really enough in my view. Sorry. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:53, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another trim 

message: An online source for Ford's involvement: here, says this:
:"Ford summoned Hammond to Dearborn to find out if he could help get the fledgling organ company up to speed. Hammond declined Ford’s generous offer of material participation, but the experience cemented the fact that Hammond knew he had a winner. It is a common misperception that Henry Ford got the first Hammond Organ. Mr Ford placed the first Order, but he didn’t get the first organ. That privilege didn’t go to the composer George Gershwin, either, as widely reported
:"The reality is actually much tamer. After Laurens got the company up and running, Hammond’s Serial Number One went to a dealer in Kansas City, where it was used for years as a traveling demonstrator. Upon its retirement, it went to the Smithsonian in Washington, where it now resides. Henry Ford eventually DID get his six Organs, and one of those six is the one that is displayed in his museum in Dearborn, Michigan."
So a figure in the early history of the company, certainly, but does that existing source (Vail, 2002) say that Ford actually did play it, ever? Ford is really not well known for his Hammond organ playing. The word "organ" doesn't appear in his article, let alone "Hammond". So I think maybe he should be removed from this list. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The source (Mark Vail's Beauty in the B) is now on Google Books here and says "other early customers included George Gershwin and auto magnate Henry Ford". I suspect Ford got it because he wanted to see how it was engineered more than anything else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:16, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that link. One wonders why he ordered six - presumably not to play them all at once. So should we remove Henry from this list? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Henry Ford]] 

message: He's better known for playing the Vox Continental and Gibson G-101, but Ray Manzarek of The Doors is credited with the C-3 in Morrison Hotel#Personnel and L.A. Woman#Personnel. Why isn't he listed here?--71.200.109.79 (talk) 14:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody's ever bothered to add the entry with a reliable source. Fortunately, L.A. Woman is a good article so we can use a source from that. The post-Morrison performance at Beat Club clearly shows Manzarek playing a C-3, but I can't really cite a pirated video. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:16, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray Manzarek of The Doors 

message: It seems that Vic Cooper of Johnny Kidd & the Pirates is not notable in his own right. But Robin E. Hill (2012), in his biography of drummer John Kerrison, describes the Hammond C3 as being "part of the The Pirate's music style":  Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a self-published source, so we can't use it anyway. The book probably means a split L-100 or M-100 with internal speakers removed, which fits the description there much better than a C-3. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I see. Well John Kerrison is also a dreadlink, so it's all starting to look a bit shakey... I'll get me coat. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vic Cooper 

message: There have been one or more new entries of Grace Potter without a reliable source. I've seen Potter play the B-3 many times (it appears to be one of her main instruments) and I don't know if this is a reliable source, but http://www.keyboardmag.com/artists/1236/grace-potter-and-the-deadly-hammond/28296 does mention her use of this instrument and says that she puts it "front and center onstage".--Kevjgav (talk) 20:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe you should first direct your efforts to the Grace Potter article, which has one instance of "organ" (and then only in the infobox) and no mentions at all of "Hammond organ"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about that it says in the infobox that Potter's instruments are "vocals, guitar, piano and organ" (just generic terms and no mentioning of the brands of instruments) but then in the Grace Potter and the Nocturnals article, it says that Potter plays Hammond B3, Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer electric piano, and mentions the Gibson Flying V (there's an inline citation at the end of the introductory of the band members and their instruments, but the link doesn't seem to be working, so it looks to be unsourced or poorly sourced content) as one of the guitars she uses. But yes, I see where you're coming from. Furthermore, this list seems to only include the most notable users of the Hammond, and as mentioned in previous discussions by other editors, we can't just list every musician who has ever played a Hammond. That's why John Lennon and Paul McCartney aren't listed here. Even though their use of the RT-3 (owned by Abbey Road Studios) is well documented, they only played it in a few songs. Looking at another "List of people" article, I was about to add Potter to the List of keyboardists page (Lennon and McCartney are both listed there) but it looks like someone else already did that. And so, on second thought, I don't think that Potter should be listed here because she's not really notable for playing the Hammond. As far as I'm concerned, about half the musicians at List of keyboardists (again, just a generic term not stipulating the brands of instruments) have probably played a Hammond at least once. That said, I'm not listing Potter (or any new entries) on this list.--Kevjgav (talk) 23:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grace Potter 

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message: He's played with the Wallflowers and the Foo Fighters and also as a session musician. In his article, the B-3 is at the top of the "notable instruments" list in the infobox, and (not to change the subject) he's also credited with other electric and electronic organs such as the Farfisa, Vox Continental and Optigan on his selected discography. But apparently, he's best known for the playing the B-3, so why isn't he listed here?--71.200.110.156 (talk) 19:27, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hammond does indeed appear in 18 instances in his article. So he looks like a very strong candidate. Unfortunately none of those instances seems to be supported by any source(s). I think the claim that he is "best known for the playing the B-3" would also require a source, and would be expected to appear in that article before it appears in this one. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Rami Jaffee]] 

message: In his article, it says that his instrumental, The Happy Organ was the first hit to feature the electric organ as a lead instrument. Furthermore, in the Happy Organ article, it says that the song's melody was played on a B-3. Given that he ostensibly made a milestone with "The Happy Organ" by popularizing the organ outside the jazz field, why isn't he listed here? I also noticed that there's no mention of "Hammond" in his article, but the song's article mentions B-3 as the instrument he used to record that instrumental. Maybe it's because there are no sources to support that claim?--73.172.36.126 (talk) 23:12, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's very probably why. We'd need sources here also. But his own article would be the best place to start. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: Should these all contain some sourced mention(s) of the Hammond organ? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed this article has deteriorated into an unsourced pile of sludge, and have cleaned it up - I'll stick it back on my watchlist, I think. I have added sources where it's pretty obvious the article has got coverage about using the Hammond specifically, for the rest - well the edit notice says "if you add an unsourced entry, it can be removed" so nobody can say they weren't warned. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:03, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Pile of sludge" sounds to me like a slight contradiction in terms, but I know what you mean. I never knew that particular genre was known for its use of the Hammond!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike "saucy" acid jazz, Sludge rock is frequently unsauced. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:32, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Target bio articles 

message: His article article does indeed say "Hammond" (that he's noted for "his high tone on the Hammond B3 organ"), and I see that this claim is sourced. He looks like a very strong candidate. Why isn't he listed here? Maybe the given source isn't a reliable source?--2601:153:901:60C0:4030:5257:78E8:CB2E (talk) 02:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Charles Hodges]] of the [[Hi Rhythm Section]] 

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message: Is this list restricted only to those players notable on en.wiki, or is it also open to players who are notable on other language wikis? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The comment in the main article says it should be restricted to those with an article here. However WP:LISTCRITERIA suggests using a bit of common sense; if somebody has an article on another Wikipedia, odds are they're probably notable enough to have one here. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: How's your Swedish? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other language wikis 

message: --2003:F3:5703:3D00:F42C:5269:D928:C51E (talk) 09:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Walter Wanderley looks like a very strong candidate. Although current source here mentions only B3. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Walter Wanderley? 

message: Her article says:  So I guess she should be added! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Twinkie Clark]] 

message: Bill Heid belongs on this list.  If you have not heard him in the Beltway donot miss him.  Detroit also his bachelor home. 2600:1700:B2A0:7A40:10CC:BB49:A79D:8E31 (talk) 23:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bill Heid.