Talk:Limp Bizkit/Archive 1

message: Hey, well, the Insane Clown Posse song "fuck the world" says fuck 93 times
I see no evidence that the correct name of the band is lower case. Amazon, MTV, et al. spell the band's name as Limp Bizkit. I suspect someone read the band's official website, noted major passages which avoided mixed case, and simply assumed this meant the band's name is all lowercase.
With the exception of e.e. cummings, very few proper nouns in English are in lowercase. Xmas Ghost 15:48, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: The typographical errors throughout this article are in serious need of fixing. I've gotten some of them corrected but there are most likely more.
Regardless of the band's status, the article should not have been littered with that many mistakes. 65.145.212.38 18:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting Needed 

message: Does anyone know what Limp Bizkit's name means? I have an idea of what it is. AllStarZ 03:56, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bizkit probably referring to fred's privates. LIMP bizkit. Get the drift ? - Raki-holic 10:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Well, the message on the page said this site needed major edits, so I've revised the whole thing.  Hope you like it! Musikxpert 04:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: Please discuss things here in the talk page first before any further actions are taken regarding genres. Things are starting to get a little ridiculous. We don't need an edit war. --Yayza 23:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing that could help to resolve this issue is if reliable sources could be provided to verify the claim that Limp Bizkit is either a rapcore or nu metal band.  Someplaces to start looking for such references are the band's home page, profile pages from sources such as MTV or VH1, or from music press sources such as Rolling Stone.   Appropriate citations will also help prevent this revert war from restarting after a resolution is determined. --Allen3 talk 15:34, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The edit war wasn't over as much the band's genre but the order in which the genres are listed.. Though the bands genre may be the core of the problem. From the computer I am at I don't have the resources to find RSs for the genre. If the band is both genres the listing should be alphabetical in my opinion. --Wildnox 16:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually this page looks like it is just part of a bigger edit war involving Rapcore (protected since August 4) and threatening to spread to Fred Durst.  With a little luck, a source search will provide a clear definition to use for the genre and help avoid escalating this dispute to the next step in the dispute resolution process.  Even getting involved parties to start talking instead of simply reverting will be a step in the right direction. --Allen3 talk 17:17, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And that edit war hasnt gone anywhere either sadly. I haven't looked around much but I did find two links from a single source, it's not much, but it is something. --Wildnox 19:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another nu-metal citation . Also I think the order should just be alphabetical in this  situation, not based on the POV of either editor. --Wildnox 15:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And even another nu-metal citation.  I haven't found a rapcore one yet. --Wildnox 23:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: With some recent results at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser now available, there appear to be other options to handling the edit war that do not require full protection of the article.  As a result, I have removed the protection from the article and will be monitoring activity in case a few blocks become needed (I suspect more than one admins will be monitoring this article for a while). --Allen3 talk 02:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That's the thing, though -- all the arguing and debate about this comparatively meaningless little bit of text is getting in the way of people adding actual useful information here, and as long as it's blocked, they can't add the information. My personal feeling is that LUPCOL would likely find a problem with even doing this in alphabetical order at this point (and may actually claim that the alphabetical argument is a way to further POV), so we may as well just kill the reason for the argument entirely for now and work on making Limp Bizkit the best article possible. That seems like a valid compromise to me. Like I said, Fred Durst has been quiet over the last few days, especially since I removed the genre, so there is precedent for this working. - Stick Fig 22:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing any mention of genre completely from an article about a band seems a bit overboard. I would assume that the burden of proof for any order would be on the one who wants to change it. Just because one editor does not agree with something and is willing to edit war and use sockpuppets to achieve his goal does not mean we should bend to accomodate his aggressive tactics. Has either user edited Fred Durst since then or attempted to come to a real compromise? The answer is no. The problem is that this is a far reaching POV edit war between two users, so far neither has backed up their edits with anything other than Original Research. Neither of them seem to care nearly as much about improving the article as much as having their POV shine through. If my suggested end to this happens to coincide with Egr's POV so be it, if it fits in with LUCPOL's POV, so be it. I just don't like the idea of complete removing anything just because two users couldn't agree on the order of TWO WORDS. LUCPOL's claim seems to be that Limp Bizkit is more Rapcore than Nu-metal and egr claims the reverse. Unless either of the users has a way to back up their claims other than original research I see no reason to change anything. --Wildnox 00:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genres 

message: As a review of the edit history shows that a revert war has been brewing over the genre of this band, the article has been protected to allow interested parties to come back to the talk page to discuss the issue.  When a consensus is reached on the order of the two descriptive terms, the protection can be removed either by placing a request for unprotection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection or by dropping me a note. --Allen3 talk 01:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With some recent results at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser now available, there appear to be other options to handling the edit war that do not require full protection of the article.  As a result, I have removed the protection from the article and will be monitoring activity in case a few blocks become needed (I suspect more than one admins will be monitoring this article for a while). --Allen3 talk 02:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article protected

message: I would like to suggest a compromise for this article. I recently removed the genre entirely from Fred Durst, and that seems to have cooled off the situation in that article. Ultimately we're debating labels here and trying to classify a band without a full consensus among our editors. This little fight has gotten in the way of useful information additions and we shouldn't let it. So, because of this, I say that as a stopgap solution we remove the genre entirely and leave any discussion of genre in talk until we reach a consensus among editors. Please discuss. - Stick Fig 16:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the thing, though -- all the arguing and debate about this comparatively meaningless little bit of text is getting in the way of people adding actual useful information here, and as long as it's blocked, they can't add the information. My personal feeling is that LUPCOL would likely find a problem with even doing this in alphabetical order at this point (and may actually claim that the alphabetical argument is a way to further POV), so we may as well just kill the reason for the argument entirely for now and work on making Limp Bizkit the best article possible. That seems like a valid compromise to me. Like I said, Fred Durst has been quiet over the last few days, especially since I removed the genre, so there is precedent for this working. - Stick Fig 22:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removing any mention of genre completely from an article about a band seems a bit overboard. I would assume that the burden of proof for any order would be on the one who wants to change it. Just because one editor does not agree with something and is willing to edit war and use sockpuppets to achieve his goal does not mean we should bend to accomodate his aggressive tactics. Has either user edited Fred Durst since then or attempted to come to a real compromise? The answer is no. The problem is that this is a far reaching POV edit war between two users, so far neither has backed up their edits with anything other than Original Research. Neither of them seem to care nearly as much about improving the article as much as having their POV shine through. If my suggested end to this happens to coincide with Egr's POV so be it, if it fits in with LUCPOL's POV, so be it. I just don't like the idea of complete removing anything just because two users couldn't agree on the order of TWO WORDS. LUCPOL's claim seems to be that Limp Bizkit is more Rapcore than Nu-metal and egr claims the reverse. Unless either of the users has a way to back up their claims other than original research I see no reason to change anything. --Wildnox 00:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion for compromise

message: Without getting into metal history geekery talking about Helmet, etc, this article clearly says that Korn were around before Limp Bizkit, making it pretty clear that while Limp Bizkit played a big role in widening the popularity of nu metal, they're far from having started it. 
Any thoughts? Wanted to see if someone knows something about the history of this before I edit it.
The article says Limp Bizkit is "often credited" with starting it, which is true, regardless of whether they actually did start it or not. --Yayza 14:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, has anyone heard the term Sports Metal, or perhaps Sportz Metal? because when they first came out I remember some interview with them or a news report or something saying they were being called this, absolutely ages ago and I can't find any reference to it. Maybe I dreamt it? Triangl 16:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  started the nu metal genre?