Talk:The Initiative (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

message: Something I am not quite clear on.  During WWII, was the Initiative way focused on getting the sub itself (for the military technology) or the vamps and research data that were on the sub?  Because although Lawson insists that the government would never do experiments like the Nazis, that is exactly what they wind up doing, and (since Spike never successfully burned the whole report) it sounds like they did base lots of their research/goals on what the Nazis had been doing.  Was it ever clear whether the Initiative started out wanting to control/exploit demons, or if they got that idea from the Nazis?  Riverbend 19:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What's this report that Spike failed to burn? —Tamfang (talk) 10:42, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  were they originally after the sub or the vamps? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Buffy407.jpg

message: "I'm not getting experimented on by his (the American) government." - why not British?Volunteer Marek (talk) 09:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  citizenship? 

message: The trivia line mentions Spike fighting Initiative operatives when escaping containment even though he already had the chip implanted as if it was some kind of error. Later in the episode we see him toss Willow around and fight Riley, Forrest, and Graham, the chip only activating when he attempted to bite Willow and later Graham. After just finishing the episode this morning, I noted the previous observations along with future episodes where it is shown that he has to intend to harm an individual directly (something that doesn't include defending himself) and that he did not attempt to bite or kill anyone during his escape so I have removed this line. Chance X74 (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia Line 

message: * https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0533503/
* https://screenrant.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-fans-questions-the-initiative/
* https://www.douxreviews.com/2002/01/buffy-initiative.html?m=1
 let’s save this article, thanks. WeWorkGuest (talk) 04:33, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: You're doing well. My concern was that the person deleting it deleted a lot more like it. There may be no good sources to save this page or the others from the deletes. It would be too bad to lose so many good Buffy pages for really no good reason other than they could, and your idea to bring at least this one to AfD (maybe as a stand-in for all the others) seems a good one. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:26, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not the one doing deletions, but I would argue that a place like https://buffy.fandom.com/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_and_Angel could be a better place for material that cannot meet Wikipedia norms of reliable sourcing and notability. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 14:51, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No thanks, not one of the big convention-going fans, just appreciated the writing and acting. I haven't looked at what other pages were deleted (or returned) but I'd be willing to say that some were well written pages in Wikipedia's encyclopedic collection about a popular television show. I don't know why the accumulated new sources on this page wouldn't work as a unit. Do editors really think that the New York Times, or even your friendly neighborhood shopper, have written an article on every Buffy episode? No, most acceptable sources don't work like that. There were a lot of episodes. And haven't all of them, or pretty close to it, have/had Wikipedia pages? If major or minor mistakes existed on those pages I'd think that over all the years that they've been searchable within Wikipedia's collection that a small but appreciable percentage of real Buffy fans who purposely came here to read one of these articles, those who probably know the episode by heart, would have pointed out the errors or just edited the page towards accuracy. Sometimes you have to trust the crowd sourcing as a source. And trust that pages which seem finely and fairly written, probably are. I'll comment at an RfD if one is started on any of the pages (I'd asked the deleting editor, , to please return the deleted pages. I have no idea if the articles have been returned or if the deletions continued after my request). Randy Kryn (talk) 20:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the plot a bit, but not knowing the episode I've edited for readability and encyclopedic language and not for content. It had some obvious grammar mistakes, which kind of surprised me, but then again I don't read these pages, but overall it tells a good story which keeps moving along well (is the plot accurate, I don't know). Randy Kryn (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't have many daily views, but more than just bot visits, so at least a handful or more come by daily to read the page. That's what an encyclopedic article in a televsion series collection is supposed to be for, so it's there when someone wanders by every few hours to give it a read. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:49, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Inline references need to be added..
User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 20:17, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback from New Page Review process