Talk:John Roberts Jr (billiards player)

message: I deplore the claim that says the source is unreliable. I am reading it from a book, and simply rewording what it says so that copyright infringements are not broken. I agree with the wikification errors, but they will be seen to when I can get around to finishing writing the article. I just had to stop earlier due to time, but I shall attempt to finish it now. Alex Holowczak 17:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who said the source was unreliable?  I don't see any comments here to that effect. A book on billiards written by a billiards pro is probably more reliable than most of the sources used for most WP article (i.e., random websites). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Nevermind, I saw it in the article history.  Yeah, the  tag made no sense at all, since a billiards history book written by a third party is not a primary source with regard to this article (it only would be with regard to the book's author, :Clive Everton). — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 16:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source 

message: For a British figure, wouldn't it be more usual to have "Jnr"?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but as soon as you type Ave, Dr, Jr, Rd, St, someone adds a period, or as we say, full stop. Doug butler (talk) 21:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "Ave." should have a period/stop even according to the main British style guides for our register of writing (Oxford/New Hart's and Fowler's) because it is a truncation abbreviation, like "Prof.", not a contraction abbreviation that ends in the same letter as the full word, like "St", "Dr", "Jnr". Anyway, we should probably change this to "Jnr", at least if the sources are mostly using that.  "Jr." seems very much an American (or North American) imposition.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:37, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I do also agree that "Jr." seems very much an American (or North American) imposition.  And also, the only reason people were calling him "junior/junr" was to distinguish him from his father of the same name. But his father had given up playing Billiards by 1870 anyway. By the way I think his father's article page is titled "Sr." too. Thank you. Reddog78 (talk) 18:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

text: , you've been poring over a bunch of sources on this person lately, what are they using?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. It is mostly "Jun"/ "Junr" on the British Newspaper Archive. Although these are just from search results. It is just plain "Junior" here. -                                                                                                                  Billiard and Snooker Heritage Collection - John Roberts Junior                                                                              thank you. Reddog78 (talk) 17:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jr." 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Articles moved to John Roberts Jr (billiards player) and John Roberts Sr respectively. While consensus emerged that the Snr/Jnr styles should not be used for the suffixes, I'm also seeing agreement that Sr./Jr. are North American styles that are dispreferred for these figures. Consequently, the Sr/Jr styles have attracted consensus as the most aligned with WP:JR/SR. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 October 2023