Talk:Terence Reese

message: On google I get lots of hits both with Shapiro and Schapiro. Don't know which is right. Zargulon 17:22, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This guy's name definitely includes the letter "c". Paul 06:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of Boris Schapiro's last name 

message: (P.S.  The Truscott view of the cheating accusation is much more plausible, and in fact what the world outside the UK actually believes.  The ridiculous Foster Enquiry, commissioned by the British Bridge League, was a bizarre and incompetent whitewash.)
:Probably so, and that's in line what I read about the incident (ages ago), but the above sentence is really taken out of context; no one knows what is "Truscott view" nor "Foster Enquiry". Duja 16:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the above P.S. illustrates perfectly why personal opinions of contributors are not proper material for WP articles. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from the article

message: Should Terence Reese feature on List of all-rounders in games of skill? (See discussion on Talk:List of all-rounders in games of skill.) -- JocK 18:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  All-rounder?

message: I read in Reese's obituary that he was a keen football fan (he was at a leading soccer school). but I've forgotten which team he followed. Was it Tottenham Hotspur? Millbanks 21:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Football

message: Neither was Alan Truscott or his wife a fool.  The writers have great admiration for Reese's books (as does most everyone) and possibly for that reason, short shrift is given to the accusations.  It is upseting to think that the world's most celebrated and admired player cheated, but all of us know how tenacious and competitive top players are, and it's certainly possible.  Reading this article, it's a bit like there's this huge elephant in the room and after being shown around all the trophy cases on the wall, our host offhandedly waves his hand and says, 'oh yes and then there's Horton,' and leads us out.  NaySay (talk) 15:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There probably ought to be a separate article on the affair going into it in more detail, given its significance. I've read both Reese's and Truscott's books on the affair. Reading Reese's, I thought he had demonstrated their innocence, and reading Truscott's I thought he had shown their guilt, so now I don't know what to think. The oddest thing is that Reeese didn't even want to plsy with Schspiro but would have prefered to play with Flint. JH (talk page) 10:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm old enough to know that no resolution of such a dispute is possible, which is why individual people hold such unreasonably strong views about it. A key skill in WP is to leave well alone! The original text on the subject was completely biased, the present text is balanced. If anyone wants to set up a separate article on the dispute, they can certainly go ahead and do it. It would need to go over the hands themselves, and it would need to reflect the present skepticism about witness evidence in crimes generally. This skepticism is based on experience of controlled psychology experiments on witness evidence of identification and events in crime scenes. The relevance is that people do tend to see what they expect to see, and make far more mistakes than was ever thought possible. British law has consequently degraded witness observational evidence (now no man may be convicted of a criminal offence solely on unsupported witness identification), and I assume the same is true of US law. Furthermore, WP is an encyclopedia, and encyclopedias need to give weight to established facts above all else. Disputes, gossip &c. need to be kept under strict control. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Rather curious. I read both books - and had the impression that Reese's was so much hot air and failed to rebut a single word of Truscott's accusations. It may well explain why the British inquiry found him not guilty, but why the rest of the world never accepted him back. TaigaBridge (talk) 01:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with NaySay and TaigaBridge. I find the section on the Buenos Aires affair disappointingly one-sided, bordering on apologetic. The devastating evidence presented by Alan Truscott - meticulous registering, by several witnesses, of the finger signals, which in a large majority of cases were found to correspond with the length of the heart suits in both players' hands - is not dealt with in any detail, while Jeremy Flint's "account", which does not go into the accusations themselves but instead only offers some circumstantial musings the way a solicitor might, gets its own sub-section.GdB (talk) 11:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

text: To which I would add that attempts to prove that R. and S. did not benefit from the finger signals (if that were even possible) are a diversionary tactic. Whether or not it brought them any gain is irrelevant. They were found exchanging finger signals, which according to the rules constitues cheating.GdB (talk) 11:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

text: I agree. The current article is heavily slanted towards Reese's innocence. This section should be rewritten to capture consensus opinion. Erniecohen (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. The problem is that there isn't a consensus. Or if you prefer, there are two different consensuses: most in the US think that he was guilty; most in the UK think that he was innocent. (I'm not sure about the rest of the world.) I've read both Reese's and Truscott's books. They both make very strong - but of course opposite - cases, so personally I don't know what to believe. Of course if Reeese and Schapiro were exchanging finger signals then they were guilty of cheating, but eye-witness accounts of what happened at a crime scene are notoriously unreliable; witnesses tend to see what they want or expect to see. 2. I think the affair really needs its own article to cover it properly. It is certainly notable in its own right. It would also avoid stuff having to be duplicated here and in the biographies of the other main protagonists. JH (talk page) 19:54, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better coverage of Truscott's case? 

message: A Wikipedia article on MarcEdit, which was invented by near-namesake Terry Reese, exists. Would someone kindly follow up to alert as appropriate.74.137.230.137 (talk) 02:33, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  MarcEdit