Talk:Sylhet

message: (Sylhet bibhag) and (Sylhet zila) should be written in Bangla. That way it'll be more or less consistent to other Bangladesh-related stuff. However, I currently do not have the means to use Bangla in Unicode. Could anyone help me? Sheehan (Talk) 08:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Have added the bangla. theres a good piece of software called Avro something, which i recommend for typing in bangla. it isnt what i use (i use a keyboard that i developed myself, but thats a bit complicated because i use several alphabets) but its very very good for writing in bangla and u can use it basically anywhere. Just google it and im sure you'll find it. By the way, on the topic of Bibhag and Zila, I think it would be best to keep the spelling as Bibhag and Zila, because that is how they are spelled in Bangladeshi and Indian English and have been for centuries, so Bibhag and Zila are English words (I even found Zila in an English dictiobnary once, although it was published in India.) Therefore, I think it should be kept Zila and Bibhag as they are English words not just transliterations of Bangla words, to change it to IPA would be like changing the english 'know' to the IPA rendering, which is ridiculous. However, IPA should be kept to within the brackets after the Bangla script, to show how they pronounce the words in bangla, in which case it is a transliteration. ...But I being IPA literate I'm not too bothered, that's just my opinion...and i wanted to know what you all think. Tanzeel 21:55, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, thanks for the help. I found the program you talked about: avro keyboard and it's a pretty nice one. Sheehan (Talk) 02:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Bibhag' and 'zila' 

message: To me it is a common practice atleast in the upper echelon. To substantiate the fact I shall submit three prominent examples:
1. Dr. Fakhruddin Ahmed, the Chief Advisor of Current Care Taker government hails from greater Dhaka, but her wife hails from greater Sylhet( sister of Enam Ahmed Chowdhury)
2. The longest serving finance minister of Bangladesh, Mr. Saifur Rahman, the most promonent Sylheti of our time,is married to a lady from A.K. Khan's family of Chittagong.
3. Mr. Humayun Rashid Chowdhury, a career diplomat who eventually became the Speaker of Bangladesh, was a native of Sylhet town(Amborkhana) and was married to a lady of famous Daroga Bari of Comilla town.
So, the saying that Sylhetis do not go for matrimonial relations with other Bengalis is not true at all.
Hossain Akhtar Chowdhury 07:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Habz, please stop your repeated racist comments. --Ragib 00:16, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sylheti-Other Bengali Matrimonial Relations

message: That Sylhoti is viewed as a separate language is readily ascertainable by the fact that linguistic experts such as George Grierson support it's distinctiveness. In addition, the majority of Sylhoti's living abroad in the diaspora and those native to Greater Sylhot (Sylhot, Habigonj, Moulvi Bazaar and Shunamgonj) consider it so. Most Sylheti's prefer to speak Sylheti in comparison to the standard Bangla imposed by the Dhaka based government after the Liberation War. 
There are also subtle differences and dialects within the Sylhoti language between the differing regions of Greater Sylhot, eg. people from Habigonj (where my parents are originally from) speak Sylhoti in a slightly different manner, with some words evolved from Dhaka and outside regions, than that spoken in Sylhet district.
Sylhoti is distinguished by a wide range of fricative sounds (which correspond to aspirated stops in closely-related languages such as Bangla), the lack of breathy voiced stops seen in many other Indic languages, word-final stress, and a relatively large set of loanwords from Arabic, Hindi and Persian. Sylheti is spoken by about 10 percent of Bangladeshis.
Given that Sylhot was part of the ancient kingdom of Kamarupa, the language has many common features with Assamese, including the existence of a larger set of fricatives than other East Indic languages. According to Grierson, "The inflections also differ from those of regular Bengali, and in one or two instances assimilate to those of Assamese". 
Until 1971, the Sylhoti was written in the Nagri script, similar but different to Bangla. The government discontinued it's use in order to create a standard script for the new country. In 1997 STAR developed a basic computer font generated from scanned samples of the wood block type and intended for use by linguists and academics studying Sylheti literature. 
However, so much interest was shown by the Bengali media at the demonstration of the font in Sylhet, December 1997, that STAR was commissioned by the Sylot Academy to develop a Siloti Nagri computer font for general use.  The resulting "New Surma" font was designed for clarity and ease of reading, and to reflect the character of both the Sylheti manuscripts and the earlier printing fonts.  
Even Assamese and Bangla are different languages and this is demonstrated by the fact that the Indian state of Assam campaigned for Assamese to be recognised as a separate language and succeeded in doing so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.9.46.138 (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Sylheti Language

message: This article is specifically for the area encompassing Sylhet City and not Sylhet District or Sylhet Division.
However, as it stands, a lot of the text concerns Sylhet District, particularly the Demographics & Culture section. For example,
Early Thalukdors and Zameedars who were forced to give up their coat af arms to the British, came mainly from the Habiganj and Sunamganj areas
has nothing to do with Sylhet city nor Sylhet District.
The link between Sylhet and British Bangladeshis, Indian restaurants is more appropriate to the article on Sylhet Division or, possibly, Sylhet District. The exception being the recent boom in property development within Sylhet town where the large majority of investment is coming from British Bangladeshis.
I recommend a rewrite of this article along the lines of Dhaka & Shahbag so that the information is relevant to the city and its surrounding areas.
If no one has any objections, I will make a start.
→ AA (talk • contribs) — 11:15, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes brother im agreed upon your points.Many informations are related to sylhet district. So whole article should be revised and get best infos of Sylhet city & should be edited thereby.→ User:classicbanna (talk • contribs) — 08:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I got distracted with other articles so haven't had a chance to start on this. If you are able to do the re-write, please go ahead and I'll help where/when required. Cheers. → AA (talk) — 11:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite Needed 

message: There is no source (historical or otherwise) to suggest that sylhet was ever the capital of the Kingdom of ancient Gaur?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.203.187 (talk) 17:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: This article needs more references. Most of the sections are not cited/referenced. --Ragib (talk) 22:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Quoting from the History section: 
"Historians believe that Sylhet or, as it was known in ancient times, Sylhet was an expanded commercial center from the ancient period, which explains its original namesake."
This sentence loses some of its point because "Sylhet" seems to be the same as "Sylhet".  Wanderer57 (talk) 00:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sylhet or Sylhet?

message: Please keep in mind that this article is about the *city*, and NOT about the district, or division. So, please do not add descriptions of the district or division here. For example, the "Geography and Climate" section talks about "beels" -- are they really part of Sylhet city?
In land and economy section , "Sylhet is also famed for its tea gardens, pineapple gardens and orange gardens most notably those in the Maulvi Bazar area. The area has over 150 tea gardens including three of the largest tea gardens in the world both in area and production. Upto 300,000 workers are employed in the tea estates, majority of 75% are women" --- the first part is definitely talking about Sylhet region/division. These should be removed from the city article.
Finally, is the Madhabkunda Waterfall located in Sylhet city? If not, remove it please. --Ragib (talk) 10:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing I would like to say is what does really the city of Sylhet mean. Because there is the Sylhet District, and the Sylhet division, so what part of Sylhet should the article really be talking about? So when looking at demographics, like for example literacy rate, It was quite confusing whether to look at the metro or zila statistics. Mohsin (talk) 13:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sylhet is an incorporated city run by a City Corporation, with specified city limits. The article should focus on the areas formally defined under the city. (in most areas of BD that are under a municipal body, there is actually a physical sign at the border of the municipal area saying, welcome (or goodbye) from X pourosobha etc.) :). --Ragib (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

text: But, what do you think when we say Kolkata, or London, or Dhaka? Definitely, the name without any suffixes have been used to refer to the cities rather than the region. At least that is the convention for almost all city articles in Wikipedia. Even within Bangladesh, when we say Chittagong, or Khulna, do we mean the division? I think most people will assume the city rather than the division. A better solution would be to include disambig notices at the top ("This article is about the city. For district see ....".  --Ragib (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does actually state it is about the city and not the district or division, and Sylhet on its own does make more sense. So I think the term 'Sylhet' city, is quite similar to meaning inner London, rather than the Greater London area, which still has the article name as London. Mohsin (talk) 12:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a bit confused, did you imply London refers to inner London (the incorporated city) or greater London area (urban agglomeration)? The cities are officially designated/incorporated areas, with no confusion about the limits/boundaries. Perhaps a "Sylhet Region" article is needed? --Ragib (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't be more suitable if the article of Sylhet, just relates to the whole region of Sylhet. Because that is how it is viewed by some users, they would not think of going to Sylhet Division or Sylhet District. The Sylhet District and Sylhet Division can be developed right in this article can it not? Mohsin (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

text: That will A) break conformity with other administrative divisions B) merge several different administrative entities into a single blob, C) be against WP:SS. I think the way to go will be to have the following articles i) Sylhet region, covering the greater Sylhet area. ii) Sylhet city covering the areas incorporated under Sylhet City Corporation iii) Sylhet District, one of 64 administrative districts of Bangladesh iv) Sylhet Division, one of 6 administrative divisions of the country v) Sylhet Sadar Upazila, a upazila/thana under Sylhet District. As an example, "Dhaka" does not refer to the Dhaka region, rather to the city. If you look up Sylhet in, say, BBC Weather, you will get the info about the city and NOT the greater region. This is a common convention followed in almost every country/city/region articles in WP. --Ragib (talk) 19:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go with Ragib's suggestion in creating a Sylhet Region article and leave the existing article to be about the city in line with the articles on other cities. → AA (talk) — 09:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what will be the difference between the Sylhet Division and 'Sylhet Region', because the division is basically about the region as a whole ain't it not? Because it consists of all the four districts, and what would Sylhet then redirect to? It may cause some confusion to some users, because there is the Sylhet city, Sylhet Sodor, Sylhet Division, Sylhet District, and then Sylhet Region. Mohsin (talk) 13:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the historic region termed Sylhet covered some areas now under Assam state of India, right? At least parts of the Kachhar District? Sylhet, IMO, should redirect to the city, according to the convention followed for city names. --Ragib (talk) 17:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Once again, Sylhet Division is an officially designated administrative entity, with a divisional commissioner and other divisonal offices. So, we can't just remove the Division suffix from the article title. There are plenty of sources that explicitly refer to the area as Sylhet Division (e.g. Banglapedia article). Besides, we have the common naming style for all 6 divisions of the country ... this can only introduce more confusion. And finally, is there any proof that people are referring to the division (and not the district) when they mention Sylhet? I personally have always thought of the city / district when someone says they are from Sylhet (I inferred the district) or they are going to Sylhet (I inferred the city here). People from the region abroad may have a different view, but I think contemporary usage in Bangladeshi media has been to refer to the city or district when the name Sylhet is used sans suffix. So, "Sylhet" can redirect to the city or the district article. --Ragib (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Alright then. But should the information of Tea Gardens and Culture be moved to the division, because it is related to the whole part of the region of Sylhet, rather than the city Mohsin (talk) 17:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article focus 

message: Having been observing editors' approaches to this article for over a year, I can see that nearly all who have edited, have assumed it is about the Division of Sylhet and not the city. I would therefore like to propose that we move this article on the city to Sylhet (city) and have a redirect on Sylhet going to Sylhet Division.
:But, what do you think when we say Kolkata, or London, or Dhaka? Definitely, the name without any suffixes have been used to refer to the cities rather than the region. At least that is the convention for almost all city articles in Wikipedia. Even within Bangladesh, when we say Chittagong, or Khulna, do we mean the division? I think most people will assume the city rather than the division. A better solution would be to include disambig notices at the top ("This article is about the city. For district see ....".  --Ragib (talk) 11:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It does actually state it is about the city and not the district or division, and Sylhet on its own does make more sense. So I think the term 'Sylhet' city, is quite similar to meaning inner London, rather than the Greater London area, which still has the article name as London. Mohsin (talk) 12:15, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a bit confused, did you imply London refers to inner London (the incorporated city) or greater London area (urban agglomeration)? The cities are officially designated/incorporated areas, with no confusion about the limits/boundaries. Perhaps a "Sylhet Region" article is needed? --Ragib (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't be more suitable if the article of Sylhet, just relates to the whole region of Sylhet. Because that is how it is viewed by some users, they would not think of going to Sylhet Division or Sylhet District. The Sylhet District and Sylhet Division can be developed right in this article can it not? Mohsin (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That will A) break conformity with other administrative divisions B) merge several different administrative entities into a single blob, C) be against WP:SS. I think the way to go will be to have the following articles i) Sylhet region, covering the greater Sylhet area. ii) Sylhet city covering the areas incorporated under Sylhet City Corporation iii) Sylhet District, one of 64 administrative districts of Bangladesh iv) Sylhet Division, one of 6 administrative divisions of the country v) Sylhet Sadar Upazila, a upazila/thana under Sylhet District. As an example, "Dhaka" does not refer to the Dhaka region, rather to the city. If you look up Sylhet in, say, BBC Weather, you will get the info about the city and NOT the greater region. This is a common convention followed in almost every country/city/region articles in WP. --Ragib (talk) 19:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd go with Ragib's suggestion in creating a Sylhet Region article and leave the existing article to be about the city in line with the articles on other cities. → AA (talk) — 09:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what will be the difference between the Sylhet Division and 'Sylhet Region', because the division is basically about the region as a whole ain't it not? Because it consists of all the four districts, and what would Sylhet then redirect to? It may cause some confusion to some users, because there is the Sylhet city, Sylhet Sodor, Sylhet Division, Sylhet District, and then Sylhet Region. Mohsin (talk) 13:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the historic region termed Sylhet covered some areas now under Assam state of India, right? At least parts of the Kachhar District? Sylhet, IMO, should redirect to the city, according to the convention followed for city names. --Ragib (talk) 17:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Once again, Sylhet Division is an officially designated administrative entity, with a divisional commissioner and other divisonal offices. So, we can't just remove the Division suffix from the article title. There are plenty of sources that explicitly refer to the area as Sylhet Division (e.g. Banglapedia article). Besides, we have the common naming style for all 6 divisions of the country ... this can only introduce more confusion. And finally, is there any proof that people are referring to the division (and not the district) when they mention Sylhet? I personally have always thought of the city / district when someone says they are from Sylhet (I inferred the district) or they are going to Sylhet (I inferred the city here). People from the region abroad may have a different view, but I think contemporary usage in Bangladeshi media has been to refer to the city or district when the name Sylhet is used sans suffix. So, "Sylhet" can redirect to the city or the district article. --Ragib (talk) 17:21, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Alright then. But should the information of Tea Gardens and Culture be moved to the division, because it is related to the whole part of the region of Sylhet, rather than the city Mohsin (talk) 17:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal 

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thread_title: Marriage

message: Can someone help to improve Citrus macroptera? Badagnani (talk) 06:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Citrus macroptera]]

message: move Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have expected the city article to be the primary usage (i.e. at Sylhet) with a hatnote to the disambiguation page. Knepflerle (talk) 11:47, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Knepflerle, that had been the case until Dinajgao unilaterally moved it. For all Bangladeshi city articles, the city article is the primary usage of the name (e.g. Dhaka, Chittagong). --Ragib (talk) 18:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: I have tried to improve the article to the very best, but a few amendments can be made, and think it can be a good possible good article, so please improve or promote thank you! 90.211.56.19 (talk) 12:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am really impressed! The article has been floundering and looking back after many months I see it has been completely transformed! Good work there. I'll try and assist in taking it to GA and see if other members of WP:BANGLADESH can lend a hand too. → AA (talk) — 13:00, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

text: I appreciate all the work you established editors are putting in to this. Can I just make a few suggestions as an outsider? Number 1, what does the name mean? (something to do with stones?) Number 2, make the history section shorter and put the emphasis on the more recent period - most people are more interested in recent history than ancient. Good luck :) PiCo (talk) 02:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improved 

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message: Many of the photos currently posted would count as promotional spam as they feature particular restaurants and hotels in the town. Many shots do not help to illustrate the article and do not meet the guidelines on pertinent images, just showing a generic looking river bank or road. Images should be right aligned by default. The sister cities list is unsourced. An overcrowded article is harder to read. A few clear images that help to illustrate the given text are much more useful. Span (talk) 16:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Clean up

message: I have heard that over 90% of the "Indian" restaurants in the UK were established by Sylhetis.  Maybe this could be stated in the article? Maproom (talk) 21:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: "Indian" restaurants

message: There's seems to be two problems, the figures are not right as shown here, and are quoted in Fahrenheit. It is my understanding that temperatures in Bangladesh are given in Celsius. I am about to attempt to update table. 60.240.207.146 (talk) 07:36, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: There is more in Sylhet about the economy than in this article Gbawden (talk) 08:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Economy of Sylhet]] 

message: People also calls it "Tower Bridge in 2nd London" - who does? Even if they do the statement should be moved to the bridge psge.Xx236 (talk) 10:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: According to DC Sircar's Studies in the Geography of Ancient and Medieval India, Sylhet was called Shilahatta and not Srihatta.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.221.104.166 (talk) 16:52, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Nahid1993m (talk) 16:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mahbubul Hasan Nahid 

message: Sylhet (Bengali: সিলেট) is a metropolitan city in northeastern Bangladesh. It is the administrative seat of the Sylhet Division. Located on the north bank of the Surma River at the eastern tip of Bengal, Sylhet has a subtropical climate and lush highland terrain. The city has a population of more than half a million and is one of the largest cities in Bangladesh after Dhaka, Chittagong and Khulna. Sylhet is one of Bangladesh's most important spiritual and cultural centres. Furthermore, it is one of the most economically important cities after Dhaka and Chittagong. The city produces the highest amount of tea and natural gas. 43.224.111.227 (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sylhet (Bengali: সিলেট) is a metropolitan city in northeastern Bangladesh. It is the administrative seat of the Sylhet Division. Located on the north bank of the Surma River at the eastern tip of Bengal, Sylhet has a subtropical climate and lush highland terrain. The city has a population of more than half a million and is one of the largest cities in Bangladesh after Dhaka, Chittagong and Khulna. Sylhet is one of Bangladesh's most important spiritual and cultural centres. Furthermore, it is one of the most economically important cities after Dhaka and Chittagong. The city produces the highest amount of tea and natural gas.