Talk:Hawaii hotspot

message: This is a nice, informative article.
I've made conventional copyedit changes to simplify verb tenses and remove redundant words that readers can fill in for themselves (E.g., "Pacific" instead of "Pacific Ocean".) Also conventionally, the "hedging" language that stipulates dates and measurements are approximate is removed...readers will automatically assume that figures are rounded without the article saying so.
Stylistically, the opening phrase "perhaps best known" is removed, since it's unprovable, and irrelevant whether it's the best known or not.
Spelling Hawaii as Hawai'i is not a standard English dictionary spelling, does not match the article title, and may serve to confuse readers away from the central topic of the article, which is the hotspot.
67.169.127.166 (talk) 01:55, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the clean up, but what is the basis for thinking that "hotspot" should be capitalized? As you point out for the spelling of Hawaii, capitalizing it does not match the title (and what are the rules that say titles are different from text?); the USGS does not capitalize it, and we don't capitalize it elsewhere in other hotspot articles. Cheers Geologyguy (talk) 02:17, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Responded on your talk page, but for closure -- for the benefit of future generations 75 million years from now -- I was struggling to figure out what the capitalization convention was. The original caps for Hawaii hotspot are restored.  Regards.  67.169.127.166 (talk) 02:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedits

message: I can currently developing a total rewrite of the article in my sandbox. ResMar 22:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Replaced. ResMar 22:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Still working on it. ResMar 00:23, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

text: So yeah, I'm mostly done. ResMar 15:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I take that back; after then, I 3x'd the article, again. NOW it's done :P ResMar 22:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Rewrite 

message: As requested I have gone through the article, I did a spelling, grammar copy edit and added a few coordinates to the last table.  Other comments are below:
If I can help let me know.Wikigillie (talk) 15:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments after read through

message: Good article; I might add a couple links since I am working on some other Hawaii articles somewhat related to volcanoes (history). Two questions: I think Native Hawaiian link should instead be Ancient Hawaiian? "Native" refers to anyone of Hawaiian ethnic ancestry(or born in the state, ambiguous) of any time period. "Ancient" refers to the period before the Kingdom of 1810, (or contact with Europeans, generally 1778 or before). That is, it is the time period that is relevant here, not the ethnic nature or birthplace. Also what about mentioning Māhukona in the table? Or is it too minor to mention? Generally agree with your use of diacritics, although I would use them in island names like Niihau, Lānai etc. but there are precedents for dropping them in the major islands. Mahalo.
:I did the change to ancient Hawaiian. Would also be nice to have a citation for this, or expand it a bit in the main body under "History". W Nowicki (talk) 03:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See the last section, "Hawaiian mythology". This is cited and explained further. Thanks for making the change, and btw this article is currently a Featured Article candidate so if you have any more suggestions it would be nice if you could leave comments using the link listed at the top of this talk page. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 16:08, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Ah yes, I was looking under the "History" section, while it is in another section tacked to the end. I tend to like chronological order, so would put the Mythology section before the one on modern history myself, but that might be just taste. And sure, I will add a supporting comment for featured status. W Nowicki (talk) 19:48, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading through this article, I definitely believe that it should be a featured article. Good luck! Kevinmon (talk) 13:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It certainly should be, but it's nowhere ready.  Lots of work to do... Viriditas (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My two cents 

message: I should have some time to work on the history later today or tomorrow. I still think putting the history in chronological order (as it is in the lead) would be more powerful. It is quite relevant to this article that Hawaiians had a dynamic model of the Earth when Europeans were taught it was created exactly as it was 6000 years earlier. (Some still might believe that, but let's avoid that discussion.) The Wilkes journals are a pain to go through, but I can take a look too.
(later) OK I added a summary paragaph on the 1794-1841 explorations. Wilkes' own journals say little about the geology, but there are other sources. American Journal of Science and Arts is on-line so that helps,  so I think that is fine now, but pelase review. I will also volunteer to update to modern typography, instead of the old simplified writing of Hawaiian words (except of course the word "Hawaii" itself, as we can grant that is now an "English" word). W Nowicki (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (: ResMar 15:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another round? 

message: Great article, I hope you succeed in getting it accepted as a featured article.
As a latecomer here, I'm proposing a change rather than just doing it. The bold text in this sentence is poorly worded:
While most volcanic activity occurs along the boundaries of tectonic plates, powered by the movement of the plates, hotspots can occur far from any geological boundaries, and require a completely different mechanism for maintaining volcanic activity . . . 
I suggest something more like ". . . a different model is required to explain volcanic activity . . . "
Aloha! Awien (talk) 00:08, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rephrase? 

message: This article now includes huge amounts of material that is only loosely related to its subject. Why are we learning about lava trees and ʻaʻā here? This article should focus on how the hotspot produces islands, not on everything Hawaii-volcanic. This article is very long, and highly duplicative of other articles that more closely target their subjects. Lfstevens (talk) 05:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree: a lot that could be spun off, or referenced via links. Awien (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Lack of focus

message: Quote: "In 1987, Peter Molnar and Joann Stock found that the hotspot (is moving) relative to the Atlantic Ocean."
* As Africa and Europe are quite stationary.
* As , uses a rate for the Eurasia Plate relative to the Iceland hotspot of 5 ±3 mm/yr, and a rate for the North American Plate relative to the Iceland hotspot of 15 ±5 mm/yr. 
* Implying so that the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is moving westwards and it is a very bad reference point. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:19, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: References: 
* , uses a moving hotspot frame after 100 Ma.
* 
*  --Chris.urs-o (talk) 12:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point-of-View 

message: Poured a lot of blood into this article. Three failed FACs, that's enough. If anyone else wants to grapple with the ton of problems it has please go ahead, but more then enough for me. ResMar 04:24, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Do not worry. Maybe just a good article quality stamp is worth the effort. The featured article one seems to disappoint many wiki editors. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 05:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This is one of the reasons I do not try to bring lengthy articles to FA class..... BT (talk) 15:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Me and Mario put a lot of work into this article, and even though it never passed FA I am not disappointed in our efforts. I'd say the article looks pretty damn good, although perhaps we added lots of things that didn't necessarily belong here... it is easy to get carried away when trying to be "thorough". I actually would try again if I had the time, but I have other things I'd rather work on... so I'm with Mario, let everyone else deal with it. I am done as well. I'm sure someone else can do a better job with this as geology isn't really my strong point anyway. --ErgoSum•talk•trib 18:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to see we agree on this. A Hawaiian volcanism FT was unrealistic, anyway...anyway I'm very aprehensive about launching anything right now because I have to go on vacation soon (aurgh I hate that place >.>). I still want to get an FL out of the list, though :L ResMar 02:41, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thats it 

message: Currently different paragraphs refer to the oldest seamount as 82m or 86 million years old. If there is a difference in scientific opinion can we explain that, if it is an error would someone mind fixing it? Ta ϢereSpielChequers 22:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Oxford says and the journal of Petrology both say 85 million years, as does List of volcanoes in the Hawaiian-Emperor seamount chain. Conflicting dates, perhaps? I'm going to go with 85. ResMar 02:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. ϢereSpielChequers 13:49, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: 82m or 86m?

message: After the recent surge of edits, this article has reached a plateau. Maybe it's time to nominate it for FA status! RockMagnetist (talk) 17:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA nomination? 

message: Maybe following references help:
*JM Whittaker, RD Müller, G Leitchenkov, H Stagg, M Sdrolias, C Gaina, A…, Major Australian-Antarctic plate reorganization at Hawaiian-Emperor bend time, Science 318 (5847), 83-86 
**JM Whittaker, RD Müller, G Leitchenkov, H Stagg…, Response to Comment on" Major Australian-Antarctic Plate Reorganization at Hawaiian-Emperor Bend Time"  - Science, 2008 
**AK Baksi, M Hagos, C Koeberl…, A Review of the Radiometric Data Placing the Hawaiian–Emperor Bend at 50 Ma; Placing Constraints on Hypotheses Concerning the Origin of the Hawaiian–Emperor… - Topics in Igneous…, 2010 - books.google.com 
***Page 56 has revised age determinations
*B Steinberger, C Gaina, Plate-tectonic reconstructions predict part of the Hawaiian hotspot track to be preserved in the Bering Sea, Geology 35 (5), 407-410 
**Faccenna, C., Becker, T. W., Lallemand, S., Steinberger, B. (2012): On the role of slab pull and mid‐Cenozoic changes in the motion of the Pacific plate. ‐ Geophysical Research Letters, 39, L03305 DOI: 10.1029/2011GL050155 
*--Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The theory should be modified, the Hawaii hotspot might left traces at the Bering Sea, it changed its track at 50 Ma, as the Pacific plate changed its direction with the onset of subduction at Izu-Bonin-Mariana Arc and later at the Kermadec-Tonga Subduction Zone too. --Chris.urs-o (talk) 07:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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