Talk:Salesian College Preparatory

message: Some non encyclopedic content has now been removed. Please refer to the guidelines for school articles at WP:WPSCHOOLS.--Kudpung (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non encyclopedic content 

message: The school is adjacent to the Lytton Rancheria and offended many of the natives there with the chieftain mascot of 2006 and years past, why was this removed?Ndołkah (talk) 21:09, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clearly explained in the edit summary. John from Idegon (talk) 00:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I also changed your section header. It's clearly in violation of WP:NPOV and since I was there, I capitalized it correctly. Are you aware this article isn't controlled by, nor is it for, the school? I'm guessing not, as your remarks appear to presume some sort of knowledge about the school and the community. An encyclopedia article is made up of material paraphrased from reliable sources. Your comments here should reflect that. John from Idegon (talk) 00:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Which section header did you change I did not notice that one, but why remove the sourced content about the racist mascot? How would you like your tribal people to be used as a cartoon for others amusement? The Lyttons next door and Ohlones, Miwuk, and Pomo and others first nations certainly did not. It should be preserved for posterity and Wikipedia should have a neutral point of view about this matter and include it. I grew up in the community and the mascot issue was in the press quite a bit and for years, it really should be included, even if rewritten to improve it. By paraphrasing the reliable sources such as the Contra Costa Times or San Francisco Chronicle. My comments will reflect whatever I want them to thank you very much, we are all entitled to speak freely.Ndołkah (talk) 08:02, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: If you type "racist mascot" one more time without citing a reliable secondary source directly (ie publication, date, author, page number etc), I will be asking that you be blocked. That is POV. Period. "Racist" is a highly charged subjective word. No one cares about your opinion. This is not a blog. Everything here comes from reliable published sources. I have given policy based reasons for all the changes I've made. If you object, either formulate logical arguments based in reliable secondary sources and Wikipedia policies or drop it. Consensus dictates content and the editor wanting the content in the article is responsible for gaining it. Please stop wasting others time. As I've told you on your talk, and frankly you should know if you are going to edit here, every single thing in any article on Wikipedia must be paraphrased from reliable sources. What you "know" and your opinions are both totally irrelevant. John from Idegon (talk) 08:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

text:  "Salesian to Replace 'Offensive' Mascot: RICHMOND: School Removed Chieftain for Cultural Reasons" stated that it was found "racist" by members of the community written by Kimberly Wetzel, Contra Costa Times, 2006. Perhaps someone can use the wayback machine or find it on Lexus Nexus? Go ahead and ask, I am Native American and it is racist you can't have be blocked just because I say a crudely drawn stereotypically generic Native man logo is racist because anyone without poor taste can make that determination. We deserve better. The consensus in Indian Country is that it is akin to blackface I highly suggest you educate yourself on the matter and this is just a talk page for crying out loud. I understand the process but this was already cited and in the article for some time I believe when you arbitrarily removed it. These mascots are very hurtful to people like me. I am not wasting your precious time I am working to achieve consensus and improve this article giving due diligence to the sources that I have found and what they honestly say. The history of the mascot and this small victory for first nations should be included in the article and preserved for posterity.Ndołkah (talk) 10:38, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

text: So far we also have this sources that statesOther schools have retired Native American-based mascots in recent years, including Salesian High School in Richmond, which went from the Chieftains to the Pride in 2006....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ndołkah (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Anything more than a brief mention (if any mention at all) would give this undue WP:PROPORTION and WP:WEIGHT.  Nothing about this school's former mascot is significantly different than the staggering number of schools, sports teams, bubble gum brands, cigar shops, comic strips, movies, etc. that have demonstrated a systemic insensitivity to one race or another. Orville1974 (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Orville. Changing mascots at schools that use or used some Native American iconography is commonplace. Content should be distinguishing. It's far more noteworthy in the instances where it's been made an issue and no change was made. I do not see a reason to mention it, but would not object to one sentence in the athletics section stating something along the lines of "In XXXX, the school changed its mascot from A to B, due to the nationwide controversy over use of terms associated with Native Americans as athletics mascots.(ref) Just as with the sex scandal, there is no reason to ho into great detail here when we have an article that explains it to link to. John from Idegon (talk) 02:52, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Ok John, do you want to go ahead and add that in or shall I? The only other thing I would say is that the school did refuse to change it for years ever since it was brought up by Native America which is why the old article which I read made sense to me to keep any chance of finding it still?Ndołkah (talk) 04:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Also since the article doesn't have that much content I propose adding: In 2006, the school changed its mascot from the Chieftain to the Pride, due to the nationwide controversy over the use of Native American related mascots in athletics.Ndołkah (talk) 04:25, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mascot change 

message: Just wondering because that was also reverted!Ndołkah (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:AGF I'm sure your efforts got wiped as a part of the repetitive reverts a couple days ago.  I don't think anyone would mind you setting the alumni straight again. Orville1974 (talk) 02:17, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Ok I will go ahead and change it then.Ndołkah (talk) 04:14, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I alphabetized the list by surname. — Archer1234 (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah so that is supposed to be how it goesNdołkah (talk) 05:53, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is it ok to alphabetize notable alumni? 

message: with so many salesians, there should be a link to the disambiguation please don't revert thisNdołkah (talk) 06:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We normally don't link to disambiguation pages, since they don't actually help the reader understand the content of the article the link is coming from.  Since Salesian Schools has it's own article, the link should be directly to it.  As I mentioned earlier, I'll probably end up combining the Salesian Schools article with the the dab (disambiguation page) you just linked to, anyway.  What will be left at that point will be a list article, which will introduce Salesian schools (from the content on their current article page), then list out all of the individual schools (from the current dab page) for readers interested in finding out more about a particular one.  Since this is so closely related to the discussion above, and we're still waiting on John to weigh in, please pull the DAB (disambiguation link) you just added until the conversation regarding a general link to Salesian Schools is concluded.  We definitely don't need multiple links to Salesian schools (in one form or another) in the article. Orville1974 (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

text: Never mind about the dab, I see John already pulled it. Orville1974 (talk) 22:28, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds goodNdołkah (talk) 06:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  disambiguation link 

message: the map on tyke infobox is wrong it shows the school being in el cerrito not Richmond where it is actually locatedNdołkah (talk) 20:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, look at the source code, then correct it.--ClemRutter (talk) 22:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Have how idea just reporting it... it's been fixed thoNdołkah (talk) 05:35, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:   I just copied the code from my user page and changed the numbers. I use my user page as my memory! You will find lots of editing links there. But I also have a User:ClemRutter/training page, which I keep lots of examples that I may need when I am teaching a course. Do have a look- do copy the examples and try them out on your /sandbox page (User:Ndołkah/sandbox). In this particular case- the coord of the school was out by 0.05 degrees. But as often happens there was a better way to do it.--ClemRutter (talk) 09:42, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  map 

message: *A statement on the treatment of predator priestsNdołkah (talk) 09:46, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should include something about this 

message: Ndołkah (talk) 08:52, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What if anything should we include from the CNN video? 

message: It is sourced and their historic win of state championships should be includedNdołkah (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Football Champs