Talk:Hurricane Iniki

message: Since when is Iniki Hawaiian for Enid?
:I agree, and removed it. --Golbez 18:09, August 30, 2005 (UTC)
::Iniki is indeed Hawaiian for Enid, see here: . I reverted the edit. 
::E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 22:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, well, the CPHC says it's Hawaiian for Enid. Take it up with them. --Golbez 16:38, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What the heck is an Enid? lol, I was taught in school and by the Kapuna's that Iniki means Piercing Winds lol. Oh well --Aoikumo 14:49, 01 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a name. --Golbez 00:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean like how Kawika is David in Hawaiian?...well actually Kawika was originally used by the haoles for David, but you know what I mean lol. but, aiyah no wonder I couldn't find any definition for Enid >.< but that does make sense, it's the Hawaiian name for "Enid" but the meaning is "Sharp or piercing." Unfortunately I dont' have an official source to state that, but I could probably get a letter from the governor's office later =) --Aoikumo 24:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No, that is not valid proof. You need to email the Central Pacific Hurricane Center, or something, as currently that is our most official meaning for the name. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: And if the CPHC confirms our etymology over yours, will you be supplying an apology for calling us arrogant and stubborn? --Golbez 09:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If that indeed correct, the article can wait until the website is corrected. However, I have to disagree with the third point, as the east Pacific includes the central Pacific, and Iniki is indeed one of the costliest hurricanes in the Central and Eastern Pacific (Pauline is #1, Iniki is #2). Additionally, recorded history for natural disasters doesn't go back terribly far, and based on available data Iniki is the most powerful known hurricane to strike Hawaii. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: When dividing the Pacific into two, the central Pacific is included with the central Pacific, hence why Wikipedia includes the CPAC into EPAC season articles. Secondly, Iniki is the strongest tropical cyclone in the best track, which is the hurricane record and thus recorded history. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

text: That wasn't so bad a wait, was it? Better to be safe than sorry. --Golbez 08:19, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Enid

message: The 'storm history' for this storm is obnoxiously long.  Jdorje 08:46, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Storm history

message: More impact, separate the preparations out of the storm history and put them into their own section, and the intro needs a little work. Jdorje 20:49, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost done. I uploaded an extra picture that I wasn't sure where it could go, located to the right. If you can't see it, it is a damaged sidewalk from the storm surge and high winds. In addition, I found an overhead view of the damage located here, though wasn't sure if it would be appropriate for the article. Hurricanehink 18:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okeydoke, this article is re-done. Is it a B or better yet? Hurricanehink 22:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, could be A/FA.  It's unlikely anyone will find anything more to add to this storm (but see my question below). — jdorje (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, doubt it can have any more info. Where should the table for costliest EPAC canes go? I'm glad you got rid of the picuture (did little), so maybe there? I don't know, it would be out of place... Possibly a list of Hawaiian hurricanes? Something should go there, though. It looks like something's missing. Maybe a different view of it making landfall, like this? Hurricanehink 01:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That picture's just like the one in the infobox. — jdorje (talk) 02:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, but a different perspective. I just had another idea. Once the Global ISCCP B1 Browse System (this) is working, maybe there could be a picture of Iniki while passing south of Hawaii. I dunno. Hurricanehink 02:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'd say it's A-class now.  Nominate it on the wikiproject page.  Maybe we should PR and FA this one before Georges...because it's so much shorter it'll be less work.  Still todo however: change the references to use proper citations with  and .  See Dennis, Floyd, and Okee for examples. — jdorje (talk) 20:46, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The references are fixed with proper citations. Hurricanehink 00:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Is Iniki the costliest Pacific hurricane?  It's certainly the most intense U.S. Pacific hurricane.  These should be mentioned (probably in the intro and storm history).  Should we have tables for these things (like )? — jdorje (talk) 23:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Officially, it is the costliest, but some hurricanes, like Pauline, might have caused more (their USD amounts are unknown). These are the costliest EPAC tropical cyclones with a damage total of over $1 million (2005 USD). Hurricanehink 01:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, the Top Arizona Hurricane/Tropical Storm events says that 1983's Octave caused 370 million dollars in today's money. I don't the year that was so it cannot be adjusted (It must be between 2005 and 1997). Also, the 1970 MWR says Norma in 1970 caused 1 million in damage. That would be enough to make it to the list. Finally, I think there should be articles for everything from Dot up (except for Octave 1983 due to too little info). Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 02:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. I just went by the storm summaries in the list of Pacific hurricane seasons. I'm not sure what we should do about Octave. It never even made landfall. One reason we might not include it is because the damage came from multiple storms' remnants. What does anyone else think? Hurricanehink 02:13, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources for the Hawaiian ones and John are the CPHC website. For Bridget and the 1943 hurricane it is that years Monthly Weather Review. For Raymond, Calvin, Nora, Kenna, and Winifred, it the the NHC storm reports. For Kathleen, I found various estimates and took the highest and lowest ones I found to get the range. For Norma (which is combined with Lidia), it is from a online New York Times article and a Texas NWS site. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 17:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Costliest/most intense

message: The article assessment recommended it, and I can't think of anything else to do here. And Hurricane Floyd has been promoted. —Cuiviénen (Cuivië) 18:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless we've got a better candidate, sure. — jdorje (talk) 18:30, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's one major problem with the article. It is only ~14 kb long. Typical FA's are much longer, normally at the very least 15 kb. If the length is too short for it to be a FA, what section or sections should be expanded? After all, it did only effect one place.... Hurricanehink 03:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lack of length is not a problem in my opinion.  The question is whether there's anything the article doesn't cover in enough detail. — jdorje (talk) 03:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  One thing that could be expanded is the retirement of the name. I didn't know that Iolana was not in a yearly rotating list, and I immediately looked at the 1998 Pacific hurricane season believing that Iolana was going to be found there. However, Iolana occurs in List IV of the Central Pacific, as seen on the Lists of tropical cyclone names article. I'm pretty sure others would be confused about it too. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  That list is incredibly long.  48 names in the list...and apparently there have only been 11 of them used in the 14 years since Iniki, so it'll be some time before Iolana comes up... — jdorje (talk) 04:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Strangely, lists of tropical cyclone names seems to be saying there have been no named cpac storms since 2002? — jdorje (talk) 04:54, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't believe it either, but I don't know where to check to confirm that. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did it perhaps occur to y'all to look at the season articles? CPac storms are extremely rare. Most of the ones that DO enter the CPHC's sphere of influence drift in from EPac. At the rate we're going, Iolana will come around sometime in the next century. --Golbez 05:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Naturally that occurred to me.  Unfortunately the 2003-2005 season articles are all incomplete and do not list all storms; at least one of them has no concrete information in the intro, and none of them (that I could easily find) say how many cpac storms formed.  1997 Pacific hurricane season should be the paradigm article here (it mentions 5 cpac storms). — jdorje (talk) 05:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: (Actually, 1997 says 2 named storms and 3 depressions.) — jdorje (talk) 05:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for my tone earlier (long day), and you're right, it should be mentioned in the intro. It is, however, mentioned in the "Storm names" section of every season. I know, I put it there. --Golbez 05:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, saying that Iniki is the strongest hurricane that has formed in the basin is certainly worth a mention, but the rarity of CPAC storms should perhaps go on Tropical cyclone or somewhere else, as it is not restricted to this storm. By the way, Central Pacific Hurricane Center has the storm lists in a different order than Lists of tropical cyclone names... which one is "correct"? As they're not annually rotated, it isn't really right or wrong, but which style are we going to use, for consistency? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I can't find a source for Iniki being the strongest hurricane in the CPAC that also formed in the CPAC, though by looking at the Best Track it is true, at least since the satellite era of 1960+. Hurricanehink 05:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC Time? 

message: The preparations and aftermath sections could do with a picture each. — jdorje (talk) 00:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I didn't see that the aftermath already had  when I added it.  I suppose it could be kept there (though it fits better in impact IMO), in which case we don't need a picture for that section. — jdorje (talk) 00:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm... I was switching pictures around because of that... Titoxd(?!? - help us) 00:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Congratulations everyone! We got another FA! Hurricanehink 12:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA 

message: Shouldn't the pronunciation be IPA? 74.106.19.218 00:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPA? 

message: "It was caused by Takuma Kobayashi" - seems like vandalism to me? – Rafiki (talk) 09:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism? 

message: I thought that a huricane was only in the atlantic and when they were in the pacific that they were called typhoons? just asking,  i could be wrong.Razor romance 14:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: East of latitude longitude 180° storms reaching 75 mph are hurricanes. Only storms west of the Date Line reaching 75 mph are typhoons. – Chacor 14:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Longitude, not latitude, but yes. Tropical cyclones are typhoons in the Western Pacific but hurricanes in the Eastern and Central Pacific. Some storms (Hurricane Ioke, Hurricane John (1994), etc.) were both. —Cuiviénen 15:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops. Latitude 180? What was I thinking!?  – Chacor 15:28, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ??? 

message: Where's the In Popular Culture section?  Has Hurricane Iniki ever been mentioned on Buffy the Vampire Slayer?  Surely a webcomic must have made some mention of it.  Perhaps a video game contained some reference to it?  With all the millions of garage bands out there, one of them must have written a song which at least referred to it in passing.  All Wikipedia articles MUST contain an in popular culture section, with a bulleted list of trivia which readers can add to.  If one isn't added promptly, then this article should surely be deleted, for utterly failing to live up to the standards which we, the Wikipedia reading public, have come to expect and depend on.  --Xyzzyplugh 18:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What?!  Now how will I find out if Hurricane Iniki has ever been mentioned in any Xena Warrior Princess fanfic?  Surely at least one episode of The Simpsons must have contained some reference to it.  Please, don't leave me hanging here! --Xyzzyplugh 18:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you serious? The section would be pointless. For what it's worth, I've seen nearly every episode of the Simpsons, and if you are that desperate to find out, Hurricane Iniki has probably not been mentioned anywhere else you inquired about. Now, please stop trolling before you are blocked. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While I certainly wouldn't want to risk being blocked, I have to point out that In Popular Culture sections serve a valuable purpose of which you clearly are unaware.  Look at Richard Nixon, for example.  Between the Media on the Nixon presidency section and the Trivia section, I count 67 seperate bullet points of valuable trivia and popular culture references.  One can obviously tell, from looking at the many thousands of Wikipedia articles with these Trivia and In Popular Culture, that a good Wikipedia article should ideally contain every bit of information which exists on a topic.  As there is no possible way to integrate all of this information into the actual text of the article, the only way to fit it in is the time honored and true method of a lengthy list of bullet points at the end of the article.  The best articles will, of course, have a section full of bullet points which is far longer than the rest of the text of the article, as this demonstrates that every possible bit of info in existence has, in fact, been included in the article.  Now, come on, you can't tell me that no one has ever mentioned Hurricane Iniki in a popular Youtube video, can you?  Please, look into it as soon as humanly possible, the public wants, and dare I say, NEEDS, to know these things. --Xyzzyplugh 19:33, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't trolling, this is ironic humor. I like it, Xyzzyplugh. :) --Golbez 20:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: For God's sake, what about In Popular Culture?!?!

message: so sick of hurricanes making featured articles
what about maths, science,culture, music, cars..etc etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.80.113.51 (talk) 20:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 2007 for a list of recent and upcoming featured articles.  Only one hurricane article in the bunch, that being today's.  --Xyzzyplugh 20:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me throw out this idea: Hurricanes not only tend to be well documented but also have a significant impact on the people that survive them. Giving the people that survived them both significant motivation for writing a detailed article and the documented resources to do so. Barak181 07:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The last hurricane-related featured article was January 29. The last one before that? December 1. Before that? September 29. So, one every 2 months, or 6 a year? Out of 365 days? Yeah, we're really clogging the works. Go troll somewhere else. And get a doctor to fix your memory. --Golbez 20:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, they are a lot of hurricane Fa's. YE  Pacific Hurricane 21:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another stupid hurricane? 

message: I'm sorry, but I feel this article is near FAR.
I encounter several problems. YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In hindsight, I think my FAR threat was too rash. However, the article isn't perfect either and some of the above still applies. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, YE ... I was hoping this could get finished up so it could be removed from WP:URFA.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. To be fair, most of the above is minor. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR? 

message: *"Hurricane Iniki ( /iːˈniːkiː/ ee-nee-kee; Hawaiian: ʻiniki meaning "strong and piercing wind")[1] was the most powerful hurricane to strike the U.S. state of Hawaiʻi and the Hawaiian Islands in recorded history." redunatcy, no need for either "Hawaiian Islands" or "Hawaii". YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead

message: *"The origin of Iniki is unclear, but it possibly began as a tropical wave that exited the African coast on August 18." I'd reword "possibly" to something else, it's wording sounds awkward. No need to wikilink Africa either. YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: MH

message: *"The Central Pacific Hurricane Center (CPHC) failed to issue tropical cyclone warnings and watches for the hurricane well in advance. For several days prior to the disaster, the CPHC and the news media forecast Iniki to remain well south of the island chain, with the only effect being some high surf conditions." delink both of them, and the new media does not forecast storms, the CPHC does :P. I suggest changing "forecast" to "anticipated". YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Preparations

message: *Any new damage total? YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Impact

message: *Combine the last two per-retirement paragraphs since they are both short. YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Aftermath

message: *Consistency needed. Wikilink on first usage of each term. YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: *My biggest concern with the article is the lead and the MH by far.  YE  Pacific Hurricane 22:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In hindsight, I think my FAR threat was too rash. However, the article isn't perfect either and some of the above still applies. YE Pacific Hurricane 21:53, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, YE ... I was hoping this could get finished up so it could be removed from WP:URFA.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem. To be fair, most of the above is minor. YE Pacific Hurricane 03:04, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Summary

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message: Todo:
*Reformat references to be consistent with Citation Style 1
*Resolve deadlinks
*Expand on environmental impact and long-term economic impact (Google turns up several new studies)
*Merge retirement into aftermath
*Check MOS:SANDWICHING
Will work on this over the next few days. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 02:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Working on it! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  16:48, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Completely forgot I ever posted here... looks like Hurricanehink worked on this last March, I'll try and recall what I found lacking all those months ago and take a look again. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 17:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:URFA/2020]]

message: Have your issues above been resolved? If not, what still needs to be addressed? Z1720 (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely forgot I ever posted here... looks like Hurricanehink worked on this last March, I'll try and recall what I found lacking all those months ago and take a look again. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 17:16, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Update?