Talk:Lists of Canadians

message: See also: wikipedia:list
=== Volunteers ===
* Ed Poor signing up as facilitator, cheerleader and coach. (You can also assign me work.)
* Jeronimo, who also suggests to repeat the result found here to other, similar, lists for other countries.
=== The plan ===
Add bullet points here:
* change the sub-list sports page title to something a little below "Famous". 
* add Bronco Horvath, who really is not famous (Gretzky is) but who in fact tied Bobby Hull for the NHL scoring championship and was an all-star player. 
* a sub-page can be where those who love Dave Keon or Dave Shultz from the big bad Flyers, or Mark Messier etc. can put him here and hopefully do an article. 
* bio on Bobby Orr
* bio on Gordie Howe who is ranked in the SI top three EVER of hockey. (How long will it take before someone from prior generations so deserved of an article is done?)
* edit all of the headings (there are far too many Famous Actors etc. with no article done who should be on a sub-list.) 
* there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist.
After someone writes a solid biography, then move it to the famous page. 
And, make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell why, if you think someone else is wrong, remove it (with your own explanation but adhering to these guidelines).
*An idea to stimulate discussion: what about saying that, for each category (actors/writers/sports/etc) we choose, through consensus, say twelve (or whatever number) people to put on the main list.  In exceptional cases, if there are thirteen very important actors, for example, than we could make the exceptions by consensus as well.  This might require some consolidation (maybe The Band should be listed as a group and not as individuals, since they all seem to be Canadian).  It's not a perfect idea, but may be worth discussing.
: Tokerboy, this idea seemed good to me (even though I haven't read your proposal until now) and I've tried to do something like that at List of famous Canadians/Temp.
: I'm not sure when the idea came up, but I agree with it also. dave 03:48, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The plan to edit famous Canadians article 

message: Add bullet points here:
* change the sub-list sports page title to something a little below "Famous". 
* add Bronco Horvath, who really is not famous (Gretzky is) but who in fact tied Bobby Hull for the NHL scoring championship and was an all-star player. 
* a sub-page can be where those who love Dave Keon or Dave Shultz from the big bad Flyers, or Mark Messier etc. can put him here and hopefully do an article. 
* bio on Bobby Orr
* bio on Gordie Howe who is ranked in the SI top three EVER of hockey. (How long will it take before someone from prior generations so deserved of an article is done?)
* edit all of the headings (there are far too many Famous Actors etc. with no article done who should be on a sub-list.) 
* there should be a separate list of hockey players; here on this list should be a few like Bobby Hull and Mario Lemiuex. Others like Dave Keon and Jean Belliveau that no non-Canadian (and most Canadian non-hockey fans) has ever heard of should only go on that sublist.
After someone writes a solid biography, then move it to the famous page. 
And, make the extra effort to go to the talk page and tell why, if you think someone else is wrong, remove it (with your own explanation but adhering to these guidelines).
*An idea to stimulate discussion: what about saying that, for each category (actors/writers/sports/etc) we choose, through consensus, say twelve (or whatever number) people to put on the main list.  In exceptional cases, if there are thirteen very important actors, for example, than we could make the exceptions by consensus as well.  This might require some consolidation (maybe The Band should be listed as a group and not as individuals, since they all seem to be Canadian).  It's not a perfect idea, but may be worth discussing.
: Tokerboy, this idea seemed good to me (even though I haven't read your proposal until now) and I've tried to do something like that at List of famous Canadians/Temp.
: I'm not sure when the idea came up, but I agree with it also. dave 03:48, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The plan 

message: move to talk:list of Canadians
Hi there!  I have problems about famous Canadians or notable British Columbians.  Who counts as a Canadian?  I have added Leslie Cheung in the list of Canadians, but I am not quite comfortable with it.  Leslie Cheung had lived in BC for just three years and then returned to Hong Kong after getting a passport, and he is not a rare example.  Did I do the right thing? Or should this kind of "non-Canadian" Canadian be removed from the lists? Wshun
:One of the rights guaranteed by the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is the right to leave Canada. No Canadian must maintain any ties with Canada (this is not true for landed immigrants) in order to maintain Canadian nationality.  This is protected in sec. 6(1) entitled Mobility rights.  There are many Canadians that live outside Canada; this does not (IMHO) make them less Canadian — perhaps other Canadians think otherwise. Many Canadians are forced to live in the US for financial reasons, jobs, or career opportunities. Even some Canadian corporations have many employees stationed in the United States; being in this situation does not make any Canadian less Canadian, they can always return to their mother country and take up residence there again; of course an immigrant who comes to Canada and becomes a Canadian citizen may also have other nationalities. Canada does recognize dual national status; one does not have to renounce their other citizenship(s) when taking the oath to the Queen of Canada like the United States requires of its immigrants. Alex756
:: Generally, anyone who considers themselves Canadian could be listed on such a list. Use your judgement. :) Martin 15:50, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: British Columbian

message: I would like to include the Donnelly family, also known as the Black Donnellys.  They were the victim of an infamous home invasion and massacre, purportedly the end event of a vicious feud that griped the Ontario community of Lucan.  The problem is that this family is more famous collectively than individually and I don't know what to do.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
-Kchishol1970
I don't see a problem with listing The Black Donnellys with a brief explanatory note.  They certainly were famous. Sunray 03:09, 2005 Feb 4 (UTC)
The Black Donnellys are a footnote in Canadian history, and not recognizably famous outside the country.
Landroo 02:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trouble with including the Lucan Donnelly family 

message: Should there be a list of fictional characters who are Canadian? Such as Wolverine from X-Men? nkife 07:20, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not, but it would probably be best to begin a separate article for that, good suggestion. mhunter 08:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What a hilarious concept for an article; especially when their identifying Canadian-nesses are listed as well; e.g. Will Ryker, of Star Trek:TNG, supposedly a Canadian, which gives him knowledge of, let's see, sled dogs, a little French, and a taste in short-trim beards like you find in cold climate-redneck bars (you'd think in LA's pool of Canadian actors they could have found someone who was bona fide Canadian...oh wait, Ryker was only part-Canadian, which I guess is why he sounded like he was Ivy League instead of bush league).  Then there's the young wife of the exiled "French Canadian aristocrat" in that old sitcom set in the fictional Cicely, AK; he was supposed to be quebecois and French nobility, somehow, while his wife was Saskatchewan.  Not that you'd know it from their accents, although I do remember something about cheese.  I always liked the way they'd drive from Cicely to Whitehorse or Fort Nelson for lunch, though....or to Juneau in the morning, and Anchorage in the afternoon.  Wish I had wheels that could do that....Skookum1 19:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional Canadians? 

message: I edited the page and when it reloaded, I noticed there was some raw html showing at the top. I don't know if that was there before I edited it, but I certainly didn't do it on purpose. I just scrolled down the edit box and changed an entry...
I don't know how to do reverts, nor do I know what the html should be to fix it.70.66.9.162 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Whoops?

message: Political leader?  Entertainer?  Author?  I imagine for most people, especially outside of Canada, it's "entertainer" because of Little Big Man, but he's got a political and cultural stature that doesn't really have any comparisons; but he should definitely be here, somewhere.Skookum1 19:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Where to put [[Chief Dan George]] 

message: There is no reason for all these images here, they should be removed. 74.204.40.46 04:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They do make it more interesting to look at.  Isn't that a reason?  Wanderer57 03:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Is it necessary to read through the huge and acrimonious amount of talk on this page prior to making a contribution to the List of Canadians?  If it is, I'm not sure I have that much time left. 
Wanderer57 22:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing this page 

message: Isn't this a list of prominent Canadians, rather than a list of Canadians?  Shouldn't the title reflect this?
Wanderer57 22:36, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of article 

message: In the Military figures section, it says that Alan Arnett McLeod was the youngest Canadian to ever win the Victoria Cross (age 18). I don't see how that can be when a little further down it says that Thomas Ricketts won the Victoria Cross at age 17.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.104.83 (talk) 06:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: McLeod was born Canadian; Ricketts was born a Newfoundlander. Ricketts later became a Canadian when Canada joined Newfoundland :) in 1949. So, strictly speaking, McLeod was the youngest Canadian to win the VC; Ricketts was the youngest Canadian to have won the VC. I can fix the entry to reflect this I think. --SigPig |SEND - OVER 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does this make sense? 

message: i added a header, even though it may be obvious. i would recommend that the list not include links to categories, as that mixes up the purpose of articles and categories, in my language breaking the fourth wall. i feel strongly about this, but i wont act without support (if i get it). i mostly want to see if my understanding of how to keep list articles and other articles clear of references to their being articles, or how to avoid confusion between articles, discussions, categories, and external links, makes sense to others besides me. ps the list is effin awesome. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommendation 

message: There seems to be some plagarism around here involving this site: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_Canadians .  I don't know who copied who, or perhaps one author published on two sites, but this bothers me.
: There is appropriate attribution at the bottom of the wordiq.com page you cited, which points back to this article on Wikipedia.  PKT(alk) 02:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagarism? 

message: There is an editor using two accounts and an IP address attempting to list Black under criminals. His notability is mainly in business which is where he is currently listed. I've warned the main account against edit warring and told him to discuss it on the talk page. freshacconci talktalk 21:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with freshacconci on this - Black made his name from his well-connected family, through his publishing empire and other businesses, resulting in his being honoured with a peerage. The fact that he overstepped legal boundaries is a chapter in his lifetime, but it's not what he is most known for.  PKT(alk) 12:49, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conrad Black 

message: Do we really want a list of fictional characters from canada ?
I notice that they don't have the game/movie title associated with them. --RichardMills65 (talk) 04:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Anne Shirley should definitely be listed.  I assume you're referring to the fighting game characters that have been added recently - and I would agree that those characters aren't notable and should not be listed. Several were redlinks, and most of the others did not have articles of their own (they were only listed among the other characters in their respective games). PKT(alk) 12:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  fictional characters 

message: This is a great article, haven't found anything equivalent on Wikipedia listing wide ranges of notable Canadians and organized by area of notability. I notice it started out as list of famous Canadians, now just list of Canadians. I think it would work well as a List of Notable Canadians, a new title that would give it a bit more descriptive title of what it represents. 
I also suggest to take out the people who are notorious for things that don't quite contribute to the common good, and keep it positive-focused ... for cult leaders and criminals, I would start a new List of Infamous Canadians. Or maybe List of Canadian Criminals and a separate List of Canadian Cult Leaders (not too well-populated though, thankfully!) ... Your thoughts?
Canadianknowledgelover (talk) 04:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The difficulty with the suggestion is where to draw the line.  Everyone currently in the list is notable enough to have an article; ie they meet WP:GNG.  What makes somebody extra-notable?  What criteria should be used?  PKT(alk) 17:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

text: My point was where do you draw the line between "Notable Canadians" and other Canadians who have Wikipedia articles, particularly considering that to have an article in the first place, one must meet WP:GNG.  PKT(alk) 03:03, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

text: There are certainly those who are listed on some of the more focused lists (actors, broadcasters, athletes, etc.) who are listed properly, IMO.  There are probably more people who could be listed - I see a few added each month.  It will continue to grow, undoubtedly.  PKT(alk) 17:00, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Notable Canadians - suggestion 

message: Grace Annie Lockhart (22 Feb 1855 – 18 May 1916) was the first woman to graduate with a university Degree not only in Canada, but also in the entire British Empire at the time and, thus, a significant contribution to the heritage of Canada. She received a Bachelor of Science and English Literature Degree on 25 May 1875 from Mount Allison University, in New Brunswick. 
She marks the first time in Canadian history that a woman claims full rights in the field of higher education.
Such a proud addition to our roster of important Atlantic Canadian female figures in academia aligns closely to Canada's philosophy on gender parity and Canada's spirit in being a nation of equality.
- Dimitrios
(sorry - I do not remember my login credentials, which is why Ι did not add Grace to the roster of the main article, but I thought I should mention it here in the hopes that someone else might do this please)
24.114.92.210 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Degree to a Woman (Science Baccalaureate) in Canada and the entire British Empire 

message: The redirect Notable Persons from other Canadian cities has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Notable Persons from other Canadian cities]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]