Talk:List of ethnic slurs/Archive 3

message: Used to insult African American people who act "white" or have partial white ancestry. Similar to Twinkie referring to Asians "acting white." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.192.80.129 (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard that slur used also, but I recently moved it to #Quarantine awaiting a citation. Art LaPella 00:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oreo

message: Usually used to be offensive against people from the Appalachian area, particularly people from Kentucky. I know you suggested not using ones from particular states, but this one is considered really offensive (I'm from Kentucky, I know), and people use it without realizing. Also, Redneck is oftentimes considered offensive by people from the south.
::None of those are ethnic in nature. L0b0t 21:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hick

message: As in "ginger kids", pale white people with freckles and red hair.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mwalle (talk • contribs) 05:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ginger

message: I merged these entries (deleting Rosbeef and expanding on Rosbif) basically because it's redundant having both there when one will serve, and also because the explanation for "Rosbeef" was largely incorrect. It's not a large edit, but because this is such a controversial page I thought it needed adding here.--Capreolus 11:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging of Rosbeef / Rosbif

message: I added an entry on a well known Alaskan native term for white man.  There aren't too many sources on line, but I found one discussion of it.  In regard to the self-application, I know of one St. Mary's flying service in the bush that calls its holding company "Gussic Ventures" in this spirit.  My sense is Gussic has lost some of its edge over the decades but it is still a negative term.   It is certainly much more negative than "cheechako" is currently, and both liguistically and geographically distinct.  The author of my source suggests the term is rooted in "Cossack" and I've heard this as well, but I don't know that anyone has confirmed it.  It is in common use in English among locals in SW and SC Alaska.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosmoline (talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gussic

message: that's the name of the Americans (USA citizens) in Poland (sometimes)
: "USA citizens" is not an ethnicity, so this term seems irrelevant to this article Bobbyi 15:14, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hamburgers

message: add porch monkey
for those of you that havent heard this word or seen Clerks 2 it means a lazy black person, althought the point of its appearance in the movie is to change it from a racial slur to a word to describe any lazy person - Avenged Evanfold 05:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do people say this in real life, not just in the movies?  Steve Dufour 04:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, people do say this in real life. I realize "some WP user agrees that he heard it somewhere" is a pretty pathetically low standard, but it is still a higher standard than has been observed by most editors of this article. My Alt Account 16:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it should stay then.  I've never heard it, but then out here in California people don't spend much time sitting on their front porches.  :-)   Steve Dufour 16:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the connotation of the phrase is something like "unemployed welfare recipient," hence, sitting out front all day, watching the world go by. My Alt Account 00:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: never thought i'd ever have to explain this one... this slur was culled from the combination of 'porch' (where they sit and hang out) and 'monkey' (a common slur in reference to blacks) --138.27.1.2 18:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion was about if the expression was used in real life, not what it means.  Although I must say that monkeys look more like white people than like black people.  Check this out next time you are at the zoo.  Steve Dufour 02:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, I was just reading this talk page and had to just comment on  Dufour's "they look more like white people"....I'm laughing at this...but it's really not funny...are you blind, or just an apologist/idiot? User:Anon 03:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well...very thin lips, nearly flat buttocks...and add that to the fact that we're the hairiest race, and I'd say that we DO look the most like monkeys, lol. 09:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: don't forget about the nigger knife. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sr71blackbird (talk • contribs) 04:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Porch Monkey

message: There doesn't seem to be an entry for this term. E Batterschoom 12:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes there is. `'mikkanarxi 19:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chink

message: Check out its own outstanding article.  However I still don't think it is an ethnic slur. Steve Dufour 17:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Man]]

message: entry lists it as "negro slang". Is that an oversight, or is some logic to using negro instead of black or African American? If there is a reason, it might be worth putting that in the list, since my first reaction was to change it to black. Natalie 03:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of these entries were copied from old slang dictionaries. I suspect that this is such a case. Since it's doubtful that it's used anymore, we might just drop the entry entirely. The listed source is for a non-ethnic usage. -Will Beback 20:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me. Natalie 20:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mickey Mouse

message: Leck misch in d´r Täsch! Ich bin zwar kein Jüdisch-Experte, aber das scheint mir eine deutscher Ausdruck zu sein !--134.155.36.20 12:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it says "My pocket leaks!" (probably means something like "Wow!") "I'm no Jewish expert at all, but that looks like a German expression to me!" Art LaPella 18:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably some Yiddish or dialectal variant of "Leck mich am Arsch!". (Lit. "Lick me in ass!", in meaning it's something like "Bite me!" or "Kiss my ass!".) No offense, but your translation would have a very strange word order for a German sentence. I guess the point is that "Kocker" is Yiddish, "Kacker" is german... 惑乱 分からん 03:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alter kacker / alter kocker

message: Derogatory term for any Asian but especially a person of Vietnamese nationality.  I have never really understood what it meant but Google tells me it that it supposedly has to do with the way their heads would 'open up' when shot with a high-powered rifle; originally used by American soldiers during the Vietnam conflict.  It doesn't seem to be as widespread as I had thought.
:Add it, I've heard it used many times, being in the army for 20 years.  It's also used fairly regularly in certain neighborhoods.
::Add it presuming you have a citation, as described at the beginning of this talk page. Art LaPella 00:29, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zipperhead / zip

message: an annoying missconseption for the jewish religion.  Needs citation to be added. Also, while I could understand, for example, 'Heeb,' Hebrew proper is the language of Judaism. Now, no one calls Indians 'Dravidians' based on language family, but still, I would disagree that Hebrew is offensive. It could also be noted that Judaism is defined as an ethnic religon, and, thus, the language attached to it, even if it is used with other small branches (I doubt there are any) of the religon could be argued as an appropriate name. One last comment, there are MANY other examples of linguistic names being attached to ethnic groups based on the name of the language. Ever used the term 'semitic'? That is not a specific language, actually a language family, but it gets the idea across. TaylorSAllen 03:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: hebrew

message: Is "Welsher" actually an ethnic slur against the Welsh, in the sense of "to welsh on a bet"?  The supposed explanation ("offensive because it implies that is characteristic of the Welsh people") is unreferenced. The entry cites Dictionary.com, but no origin for the term is given there.  Is it actually one of those coincidental expressions, like "niggardly", which sounds as though it should be offensive but really isn't? AdorableRuffian 23:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I usually let others argue over what constitutes an adequate citation, but I just added two more citations I found related to this issue. Art LaPella 05:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcher (also spelled "Welsher") - ethnic slur? 

message: This article became *HUGE* (192Kb)  and requires cleanup and posible split. For starters, I removed foreign-language ethnic slurs. If some of them have noticeable English usage, they may be put into a separate article. `'mikka (t) 18:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work. Thanks. Steve Dufour 00:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, thanks for doing that. For the time being, let me move the material from this page to Talk:List of ethnic slurs/removed entries. That can also hold the unsourced entries. -Will Beback 07:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: #I don't object to the existence of this article in principle, but it sucks horribly. It's full of crap entries, and a lot of the writing is just horrid. People are using it as a dumping ground for something they heard of once (or perhaps even thought of themselves) that once made them guffaw. There should really be a higher bar. 
#fyi, most of the racial slurs on this page are the result of stereotyping.  if you don't know the definition/connotation of the word, look it up.138.27.1.2 17:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: #"Jewgaboo" (not proper to) apply such ethnic slurs to actual people. I removed the reference to Lenny Kravitz "as an example" in that entry.Smiloid 03:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No people's names as "examples"

message: ...if the only people who could add a slur were members of the slurred group and had really had it said to them.  Too bad that is not possible.  Just a thought.  Steve Dufour 04:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: It would be nice...

message: It's not that it's about slurs.  Anything is worth learning about, even derogatory terms.  However, can we monitor it so that people don't simply add a newly invented epithet or an arcane term or some endemic word only used in one region.  There is no way to monitor this. It's just ridiculous that I can make up anything I want and put it in here and no one can check that for authenticity.  This article unfortunately shows where Wikipedia fails as an encyclopedia.
Or maybe it doesn't...this article is more about defining word then giving the origin or common uses of the words; therefore it doesn't belong in an encylopedia but in a dictionary. Arthurian Legend 14:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You'll find similar comments throughout this talk page and its archives. It's not true that "no one can check that for authenticity" - the edit page warning says "Please provide citations for all new additions, or they will be reverted", and every once in a while someone feels like enforcing it. Another never-ending debate is whether this should be a list of slurs or just ethnic slurs, so we spin our wheels a lot adding non-ethnic slurs and deleting them again. Art LaPella 20:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will go through and remove some of the worst.Steve Dufour 17:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the words aren't really slurs and quite a few don't even relate to ethnicity. Its become "a list of words someone found interesting." I was editing the entry for farang and it occurred to me that as far as a dictionary definition is concerned, farang just the Thai word for "Caucasian." Of course, sometimes it feels like a slur. Asians are obsessively focused on race. It's farang all the time like you don't have a name, a job title, or any identity other than your race. "Is farang are a slur?" is a common questions newly arrived foreigners ask. I'd have say "no." But since there is a legitimate question, perhaps it deserves a place on the list all the same.Kauffner 10:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I mainly removed the American words since that is my culture.  Foreign words I tended to leave since I didn't have much of an idea about them.  Steve Dufour 01:18, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is really wrong with this article

message: This text is a placeholder for some very long-winded trolling and name-calling that was severely cluttering the talk page. I don't believe anything productive took place in the entire exchange, but I didn't want to go so far as to delete the section.
If you want to see what I took out, it's right here. If we can all agree I'm not depriving us of any opportunity for conversation by redacting it, then this entire section (yes, this text right here) can just be deleted. My Alt Account 08:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trolling and personal attacks elided

message: This 'list' serves no purpose other than to provide ammunition for those already holding racist views.  Also, many of the terms related to Jews and African Americans are clearly fabricated by some racist individual(s) with too much time on their hands.  Panda
:I agree with you on many. Delete as many as you want, however you will be called names if you do.  Steve Dufour 16:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or else nominate the page for deletion. You have my vote. (However I would prefer to see the rules followed and the article remain since it does contain some good information.) Steve Dufour 21:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to slow down on my edits, I can't the only enforcer. Steve Dufour 04:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been away, but I'll join you in enforcement. Per previous discussions, we might finally get around to splitting the article into sourced content and unsourced content, with the latter moved to a holding page out of the article space. There is no reason to have unsourced content in an article. -Will Beback 20:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will keep going then.  I just took out a few in AB&C.  Rather than having an uncited list we could just have a link to one of the sites elsewhere that lets in anything.  Steve Dufour 01:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for hanging-in there. If we have a list that only contains sourced entries it will be easier to maintain. We just need to get there. The "unsourced list" would just be a holding bin for text so we don't have to delete it all outright. But it should be a talk page subsidiary, like a draft. (i.e. Talk:List of ethnic slurs/unsourced). There has long been a general consensus to pare down the list with one vocal exception, user:Primetime, who was later banned as an energetic and  duplicitous plagiarizer. It's time to make the cut. Barring any fresh objections we should proceed promptly with previously announced plans to remove the unsourced entries. -Will Beback 07:03, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This 'list' serves no purpose

message: if anyone wants to stop will beback or anyone else from splitting the article, click on history, then the date of the version u want. the old version will display, so click edit, then save.  this is pretty pathetic. they're deleting both unsourced + foreign slurs, so i guess that means all the slurs. i guess they dont give a shit about the keep results of those debates.Ymg55 09:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't mean all the slurs.  Those in English with some kind of source showing that they are used in the real world are welcome to stay. Steve Dufour 13:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How to revert the splitting

message: Perhaps this should be sorted by the group the word refers to, so it is easier to find a word to use in a specific situation. It is much harder this way.
:You're looking for List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity. -Will Beback 20:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A suggestion

message: Consider reverting this page back to an earlier version that is much more complete.  The edits over the last couple months have totally butchered the list.  For a topic such as this, it is unreasonable to require a citation as a prerequisite for word to be included in the list.  See the following page for the list before it was destroyed: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ethnic_slurs&oldid=55958195
:Maybe the list should be elsewhere on the Internet. Steve Dufour 01:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A Second Suggestion

message: I removed this example from the list.  If someone feels that it should be returned to the list, there should be an appropriate explanation for what the term means, instead of the non neutral comment that was written formerly. 68.191.41.61 07:21, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Das Ubergeigh

message: reverted the article back to a version before our big cleanup. Unfortunately I didn't notice it for a couple of days. Peatbog is possibly a sock of a banned editor who's done this kind of thing before, so it may happen again. -Will Beback · † · 06:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undone revert 

message: I've just trashed the whole old List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity which was 100% unreferenced  (actually moved it to List of ethnic slurs by ethnicity/old) and started importing verifiable content from here. Please spare a minute or two to help me here. `'mikkanarxi 03:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While doing this, I noticed that the List of ethnic slurs used the word "Asian" indiscriminately, even when from the context it is clear that some term is related to, e.g., Chinese (i.e., East Asian). Please review the article and narrow down to East Asian/South Asian/Middle Eastern/Central Asian/Russian (the last is a joke, haha only serious, to show the point). `'mikkanarxi 03:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

text: And by the way isn't it so that "Asian" itself is an ethnic slur. Some Chinese colleagues told me so. `'mikkanarxi 03:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HELP NEEDED 

message: Will Beback and I have agreed to set standards for exactly what slurs belong in this article. If there is a consensus for these standards, I will help enforce them by deleting entries that don't conform to those standards. If there is a consensus for a different set of standards, I will help enforce that too - I'm proposing these standards mainly so we have something definite to consider, not because I really want to debate their details. But if there is no consensus, then I will continue to let the rest of you re-add and re-delete the same entries over and over and over again - I wouldn't get any satisfaction that way.
#The current incarnation of List of ethnic slurs is over 90% ethnic, so let's make that part of the standard. I think slurs like "towelhead" refer to a religious requirement rather than an ethnicity, so they should go. Jews should stay as they are both an ethnic group and a religion. Non-ethnic slurs could be moved to places like List of religious slurs.
#Citations are required. Let's say a wikilink to an article about a slur is a good substitute, if that article has a citation and refers to the ethnic slur sense of the word (unlike banana for instance - or if we disambiguate to banana (person) then there's no citation).
#Foreign slurs should be included (or systematically excluded). I think including them is the more obvious standard - the fact that this is English Wikipedia means to me that the definitions should be in English, not that we shouldn't have an article on Des Moines or on the Arc de Triomphe for instance, linking to another article on the Place de l'Étoile with several French words. English Wikipedia's goal of explaining the universe to those who speak English isn't served by removing any information with a foreign name.
#It's not a standard unless everybody knows, and everybody doesn't know without advertising the rules in detail. The rules above, or their revised version, should either be on the edit page 27 times like the existing edit page warning, or else that warning could refer to a more complete text of the rules elsewhere, such as at the beginning of this talk page as at Talk:Big Bang. I'll be happy to write it if I know what to write that the rest of you would support.
#The new standards would start by deleting all non-conforming entries. In the A's, B's and C's only, non-conforming entries currently include Argie, Banana, Beaner, Bloke, Bong, Brown Sahib, Canto, Chechaco, Chigger, Coconut, Colored, Coloured, and Coonass. Of course many of these are well-known slurs, but if those aren't the rules then we should stop saying they are the rules when deleting, or we won't ever get anything done except re-adding and re-deleting. That argues for using something like #Quarantine above.  Art LaPella 08:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That all sounds good to me. If there's a sourced article about the term we might think of adding the source here too. Otherwise I agree with everything. -Will Beback · † · 18:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New standards

message: Should some special kinds of slurs targetted at groups belonging to the same nation but different geographical/cultural background be included? Some examples: the word "Terrone" (present in the list as such) is in the list and it is used by Italians vs other Italians, discriminating on one's region of origin. Similarly, "Bulgarian" or "Turk" is used in Greece as a pejorative vs other Greeks from the N-NE regions. Should such "internal use" slurs be added to the list or is there some ruling specifically excluding them? EpiVictor 23:01, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The main limit on entries is the availability of reliable sources. For example, what sources could we use for the examples you mentioned? -Will Beback · † · 06:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: See the List of regional nicknames. Yes, reliable sources are necessary. Please also keep in mind that this is English language encyclopedia and slurs in Greek language do not belong here, unless they have significant usage in English language, like, e.g., gringo.  `'mikka 06:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Really? If everyone feels that way, I'll change my policy which says: "Foreign slurs may be included, as long as the definition is in English.". Also see my unanswered #New standards point 3. Art LaPella 07:14, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was saying not "definition in English", but "usage in English language". At the very least, I see we already have article about alional slang (although I am inclined to oppose to them), so if someone really wants to include Tamil terms for inhabitants of Bangalore, their place is in the Tamil slang (like we have this very dubious Sri Lankan Tamil slang (despite "wikipedia is not dictionary")). Otherwise we will see a major explosion of this page. `'mikka 07:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I tend to agree with mikka about this. Documenting slang words in Non-English languages is not a good fit with the goals of the English language Wikipedia, especially when there are such great foreign language Wikipedias and the Wiktionaries. I'd rather see an interwiki link to a Farsi "list of ethnic slurs" than the addition of those words here. However there are words which are some words, like "gringo" or "gajin", which are used as slurs in this language even if they aren't really slurs in their own and those should be included. Perhaps the guideline might say something like "Foreign slurs that have become English language loan words may be included, as long as the definition and sources are in English." -Will Beback · † · 08:37, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever. Give it a few more hours and see if anyone else comments. Art LaPella 20:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: They haven't, so I copied the above language into policy. Art LaPella 06:41, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Internal" ethnic slurs?

message: Food metaphors for race was deleted leaving an enormous trace, especially via redirects  Banana (person),  Egg (person), Oreo Cookie (slang), Oreo (person).  Needs cleanup. `'mikka 08:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Food metaphors for race - post-deletion cleanup needed 

message: I did a little clean up on this section since some racists obviously want to make new slurs. 
*Paki is the only slur found offensive. PAK is an abbreviation's for Pakistan. Its not found offensive.
*Desi's are mostly people from India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Sri Lankans speak Tamil and are commonly not included as Desi's. If you have any questions then please ask instead of changing without knowing. I am from the region and would know about this.
:Paki:-Surely the word "Paki" should only be considered a slur (like any name/nickname) when it is used in a derogatory or negative manner?  By this twisted logic, does this mean if we call someone from Afghanistan an "Afghani" or someone from Uzbekistan an "Uzbeki" we are being racist?  "Stan" as in Pakistan means country or land does it not? So tell me, why is Paki offensive again? And why is it considered racist when not used by a "non south asian"? (So if an Indian calls a Pakistani a Paki its not racist or offensive but if say a white British person does its racist and deeply offensive?!?!?!)  Pathetic!
::Come off it. The correct term for someone from Pakistan, as you well know, is Pakistani. This is a Nationality, not an ethnicity. Where the word becomes an ethnic slur is where it is used in its British English capacity where it is applied to anybody, typically of a darker than average complexion, who looks South Asian. This term is used irrespective of national origin.--JamesTheNumberless 12:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, you don't know anything about Sri Lankans: they are desis. Most of them speak Sinhalese, not Tamil. There are Tamils in India too, and they're very much desi -SlipGun 02:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: South Asian Slurs 

message: I would like to add some easily available citations to slurs from the Quarantine, from earlier and bigger versions of the main list, and to orphaned "op. cit.", "loc. cit." and "Ibid." citations. Easily available means without driving to Seattle and without guessing what someone will consider to be an inadequate citation, as at []. Here are some other online dictionaries that appear in the citations: , , , and . I'm not a career academic or anything, so are these OK? Art LaPella 03:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Adequate citations

message: Are you honestly saying that 'Jew' is offensive? First of all, according to every dictionary I have seen it is listed at least as a synonym for 'Jewish' and the only way to make 'Jewish' plural is to add the 's' to Jew. Someone didn't think that one out. TaylorSAllen 03:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find what you responded to. Did you mean me and my policy? I was talking about slurs for Jews such as "kike", not the word Jew itself. Art LaPella 06:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Article misses a cornucopia of slurs for jew & slur used by jew. Here are some not reflected in the article with use and possible definition given after:
**Hook Nose, Nickel Nose 
**Big Nose, Heebie, Red/Dead Sea pedestrian 
**Christ/Jesus Killer (Mel Gibson)
**DIB (Dumb Israeli Bastard)
**Shylock, Sheister/Shyster (Shakespeare- Merchant of Venice/Othello etc.)
**Jew-bag 
**Jew/Khazar (as used by nonjew against nonjew & nonjew against jew- the term 'Jew' is itself a slur)
**Shagitz/Shiksa (as used by jew against nonjew)
**Yenta (slur against know-it-all jew women) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.197.11.30 (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jew

message: It's not in the list but many Newfoundlanders find it offensive when said by someone who is not a Newfoundlander.  I have a link, but I'm not sure if anyone can access the paper without having a subscription to blackwell-synergy.    Anyway, I think Newfie should be added to the list.  There is already a page on wikipedia about it being a perjorative.Ctitiquer 05:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Newfie

message: (Cold War era U.S.) A term referring to citizens of the Soviet Union.  From the Russian word русский (pr. "rooskee"), meaning Russian (as in the language).
:: If it means anything, it was in "Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home".  Zweifel 03:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Russki

message: (US) an Italian American. Occasionally non-offensive. 
:: So the Goombah article is pretty extensive, including a book entitled A Goomba's Guide to Life, complete with ISBN number.  Whence the controversy?  Zweifel 03:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Goombah]] or Goomba

message: It's cool that there is a quarantine list, but that's not what I care about.  I think this page would be much better if the slurs were grouped by target group (blacks, Jews, etc), rather than alphabetically.  Or, it would be more interesting and readable that way.  Just a thought.  Zweifel 03:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization of Article 

message: For many of these, you just have to click on the link and that will take you somewhere.  E.g. "wetback" -- will lead to Operation Wetback, with a citation from some Texas legal handbook.  Are we that lazy?  And it is ridiculous that "Whitey" has to go onto the quarantine list.  I mean, come on!  Zweifel 03:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laziness 

message: I mean it's not a reliable source, it's like a forum. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.99.80.41 (talk) 18:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban dictionary as a reference 

message: If there are any questionable submissions, I encourage editors here to check here before removing them. It's nice because it's a published source. It's not a huge slang dictionary, but it's not tiny, either. Other good resources are Google Books or Amazon's Book Search, although the very best sources are still offline. The latter two sites are useful for ascertaining usage, which is just as good as a cite in a dictionary, in my opinion.--Eeem eem 22( 23:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, a good suggestion. `'mikka 23:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Online Resource 

message: I mean it's not a reliable source, it's like a forum. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.99.80.41 (talk) 18:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban dictionary as a reference 

message: If there are any questionable submissions, I encourage editors here to check here before removing them. It's nice because it's a published source. It's not a huge slang dictionary, but it's not tiny, either. Other good resources are Google Books or Amazon's Book Search, although the very best sources are still offline. The latter two sites are useful for ascertaining usage, which is just as good as a cite in a dictionary, in my opinion.--Eeem eem 22( 23:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, a good suggestion. `'mikka 23:56, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Online Resource 

message: This term is used in the film Three Kings
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.178.85.134 (talk) 04:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added this term to the article, including a citation. Jerry lavoie 04:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sand Nigger

message: Eh, I don't know where to post this, but the word coon comes from RAcoon. Or at least that's been my experience; in the south, you used to use dogs to hunt racoons, and so when they were used to "hunt" black people in the practice of "coon hunting", it came to meen a black person or a raccoon. Here's a source: http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/natbltn/100-199/nb174.htm.
:Your source describes racoon hunting as a sport, and does not describe this as a slur. Jerry lavoie 05:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Coon

message: 'White' female who likes/loves a 'black' male
:They tend to be referred to as BMW (Black Man's Willy/Woman)
:::This is a social slur with a derogatory ethnic term in its name, but it is itself not an ethnic slur.Jerry lavoie 05:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nigger Digger

message: Look here people no matter what color or where you from. i dont like racism, ethnic slurs or name calling, but the P-C wackos dont have the right to come here and delete the whole page. i dont like hatred and prejudice as much like you do, and we need to focus on our society obsession with race. im 45 years old person and an american white man (note i said person and american first). i dont feel a racial minority 'deserves' extra treatment, nor a white male gets the privilege while nobody can have it. im not for affirmative action, but not for discrimination. i grew up listenin to ethnic/racial jokes and i may laugh at em cuz they are stupid and came from uneducated people. i knew jokes about my own race and religion, my nationality and gender, and i feel this is how i view myself, but no self-hate as i hold no hate onto others. time to send the P-c nonsense to the historic trash bin. its out of style, but after 40 or 50 years of civil rights and social change, have we in the US moved on beyond racism? today most people know better not to treat others who are different in a negative way to dehumanize them, like the page on racial slurs tries to educate on the power of words. and you know, words dont hurt me unlike racial segregation in public places has hurt millions of americans who happen to have dark skin. i detest it and glad to see that practice gone (as the law put an end to the practice once common in my childhood). i treat everyone equal: women in my job (its always rude and improper to talk sex or grab their bodies, before the feminist womens lib thing or the sex harassment laws came about), respect peoples different religions (im a christian taught to love and care for others ahead of myself) and dont feel those who cant hold a job or have money are 'lazy' (is it snobbery to look down on others not $150,000 a year like myself?). i dont shout jokes about blacks, jews and gay men (i hold differing opinions on homosexuality and same sex marriage, but never want to hurt or poke fun on others over their sexual preference, and tats not my business to know whos gay or lesbian, nor anyones' personal life at home). am i tolerant and consider all people as human beings? yes i do and im a republican who feels our society must advance away from stopidity on race, handicap, class and the like. we are the same inside no matter what and every one needs to compete, study, work hard, be responsible, be mature and be profesional at their career. are we all adults here? it seems some of you never learned by now. my 3 children in their teens dont hold hate in their hearts, and had friends (and dates) of different races. i dont really see that. i dont mind havin them around me, my wife & them. whoever thinks racist ideas on other people, i suggest they just don't like people.  - signed: open-minded conservative
::This seems like an essay, not a collaborative article edit discussion... perhaps take itt o your user page? Jerry lavoie 05:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ethnic slurs are nothing compared to real racism

message: I am npoving this terrible article which looks to me like an excuse for racists to come out of the woodwork and have a field day. We dont even have an ethnic slur article to tell us what it is. Its just pure offensiveness, SqueakBox 17:13, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's your POV.  Jerry lavoie 05:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tagging

message: Wiktionary is the right place for these words to be defined, not Wikipedia, although I can see a little value in having this full listing of them here as this article does.  As such, I would recommend that going forward Wiktionary entries be created for each term and than each word listed be linked to its wiktionary entry.  This makes it clear that most terms do not require their own articles here, just quick dictionary definitions.  I also note that a large portion of these words are defined in standard dictionaries such as American Heritage and OED, thus that media is already established formally as an appropriate medium for defining these terms.  --70.51.230.254 15:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Although undoubtedly well-intended, this suggestion would be difficult to implement and harmful.  Not all wikipedia editors are wiktionary editors.  Not all want to be (I am an example of this).  As well, new editors of this article who do not visit the talk page will not likely put their entry in this format, regardless of the overwhelming precedent set by the rest of the article.  I do not think an article should have a central policing authority... a group of users who make an agreement to continously edit the article for a certain style lonng into the future.  This would be counter to the collaborative effort concept, and would likely fail as these users eventually lost interest in this article.  Perhaps a single banner stating that most terms have a wiktionary entry, followed by interested editors making an effort to put wiktionary entries in for newly-added terms would be a way to meet your intentions without creating the problems I have just pointed out. Jerry lavoie 17:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea: full wiktionary integration