Talk:Siobhan

message: --Ynagar (talk) 10:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

message: What is the pronunciation of Siobhan?--Gregalton 23:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that it is pronounced Shivon or Shivawn, but I'm not at all certain. Would be useful to have on the article page.--Gregalton 21:25, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe the first vowel sound is a schwa () rather than , but I welcome correction from experts. --Muchness 20:58, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Longman Pronunciation Dictionary by J.C. Wells lists both the ə and ɪ pronunciations as correct. Ausir (talk) 19:47, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Stress is regularly shifted to the second (or even third) syllable in Munster Irish if it is long, as in this case, and the first is short. Also, both pre- and intervocalic broad "bh/mh" (flanked by non-front vowels) may be pronounced "v", particularly in Munster. So the most widespread pronunciation is basically that of Munster Irish.
Munster: /ʃə'vɑːn/
Connacht: /'ʃowɑːn/
Ulster: /'ʃuːwan/  Murchadh (talk) 03:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually, your edits are an example of one of the problems of Wikipedia. People 'knowing the truth' but not citing any sources for the 'truth'. Do you realise you are the "random user who thinks they know better - or who have an agenda" you mentioned? It is easy to find reliable sources that give the derivation form the Anglo-Norman name. That's why the article should give that etymology. Please do not remove these sources, or add unsourced information. If you've got sources that give the derivation you think is the 'truth', use them; but do not remove the other information. The more information the better, but unsourced stuff needs to be removed.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  And Lies need to be removed. Its an Irish name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.98.90 (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article makes that clear. It's an Irish form of an Anglo-Norman name.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to point out that the name which is usually found translated as "Fair/White Phantom/Fairy" or something similar is really Modern Irish Fionnabhair < Old Irish Findabair < Proto-Celtic *windā seibarī or something like that. Seamus seems to have confused both in his mind. Lesson: never trust your memory too much, check the sources. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:57, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Ah, I see now that Seamus actually gave a pseudoetymology for Siobhán, namely siodhe bhan (really (bean-)shídhe bhán), and even claimed that Seán was really sean, namely "(the) old (one)", without accounting for the fada (seems he doesn't care much for such inconvenient details). Nice spinning of the facts, obviously out of Celtophilia and nationalistic fervour. (BA in Celtic Studies? More like Spin-PhD, hehe. A man on a mission indeed, trying to deflect criticism by accusing the opposite side of having an anti-Gaelic agenda.) I'm curious what his Gaelic derivation of Séamus is. ;-) --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:32, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

text: I think it's a great name, but the 'white fairy' stuff is bogus.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 08:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Um, shouldn't the move have been halted as no consensus?  I'm counting 5 in favour, 6 opposed, not counting the IP address and editor who has only ever made one mainspace edit.  Even counting both of those, it's still only 7:6 in favour of a move. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: RMs are not closed based on vote counting, but on consensus and policy based rationale.  Please see a more detailed explanation at: .  --Mike Cline (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly - there is no consensus in the above discussion. You - at least in part - based your decision on an Irish name on a catalogue maintained by an American university.  That seems... perhaps not entirely impartial.  "Generally preferred" does not mean "must be universally applied", and when titling articles about names, there are plenty of examples where the original non-English language spelling is maintained - because it's a) the correct, original name (upon which derived spellings are based and yes, may have become more popular than the orginal); and b) it imparts knowledge.  I can feel that horrible phrase "check your privilege" approaching, and would point out that making everything generic American English would be appear to be at odds with "the inclusionist desire to change Wikipedia only when no knowledge would be lost as a result." ;-) Thanks for your time. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  even if your assertion that we should defer exclusively to Irish usage rather than WP:WORLDWIDE usage was correct (I don't believe it is, since a whole load of non-Irish people use this name), even within Ireland use of the fada is very much split. A very simple Google search across Irish websites seems to show about a 50/50 split between those with and those without. For example, Siobhan Mullaly of University College, Cork, and Siobhan Phillips, mentioned in Irish Independent newspaper, to name a couple. Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 11:36, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Which, again, proves nothing, except that sometimes some people are lazy and/or imprecise and/or inconsistent.  The Amazon and Barnes & Noble pages for Siobhán Creaton's book, "Ryanair: How a Small Irish Airline Conquered Europe", for example, list "Siobhan Creaton" as the author, sans fada, but the accompanying image of the book in question clearly shows the author is "Siobhán Creaton", with fada. The example you use, of Siobhán Phillips, rather proves the point - both the Irish Times (a much more respected newspaper than the tabloidy Independent) and the Irish Examiner spell Ms. Phillips' name correctly. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:26, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

text: P.S. - click on the plus sign next to Siobhán Mullally's Biography heading and you'll see that she does indeed spell her name with a fada, too.  It appears to have been omitted from the page heading in error.  Possibly a HTML thing.  I know I omit fadas when setting up email accounts, too. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:30, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improper move? 

message: Irrespective of success or not in reverting the minority move above, the lead should be reverted to give the correct full spelling of the name first. Not sure who changed it to put the English before the Irish, that's unique on en.wp. "also spelled Siobhán", seriously? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:20, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is English Wikipedia, so it's logical to list the English most common version first. Also, as noted, there are a very large number of different spellings, all of which are mentioned further down.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:TIES, it should be Siobhán as the fada is used in Irish English and not only in Irish.   —  AjaxSmack  02:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has no ties. The name is used across the English speaking world. And even in Ireland it is more commonly used by English speakers without the fada than with.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 17:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Restore Lead