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message: While questions from the above discussion bear consideration and resolution, I believe this article meets the six criteria for WPBiography B class. Carter (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: B class review

message: ====SarahSV====
I'm leaving here what was discussed on the review page. It needs to be summarized in the article carefully and in context, and not just in one or two sentences. A search should be made for other sources.
1. Mieczysław B. Biskupski, War and Diplomacy in East and West: A Biography of Józef Retinger, Taylor & Francis, 2017, p. 157:
2. Joshua D. Zimmerman, The Polish Underground and the Jews, 1939–1945, Cambridge University Press, 2015, pp. 111–112:
3. Michael Fleming, Auschwitz, the Allies and Censorship of the Holocaust, Cambridge University Press, 2014, p. 87: 
4. Joanna Michlic, Poland's Threatening Other: The Image of the Jew from 1880 to the Present, University of Nebraska Press, 2006, pp. 148–149:
SarahSV (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the excellent scholarship, Sarah. El_C 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , many thanks. I appreciate the feedback. SarahSV (talk) 23:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: How, pray tell, would you like to summarize it will maintaining WP:UNDUE? Go ahead, make an actual suggestion. And of course I would like to you answer the question asked 10 times or so, which is how do you explain that no biography of Kot considers this minor incident relevant enough to discuss? If they don't, why should we? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what "minor incident" is being referred to here. I'm seeing multiple mentions by reputable scholars in reputable publications, which may be enough in addressing due weight concerns. If existing biographies say nothing about antisemitic tendencies by the subject, that may simply be because of their failure to remain detached (for example, these consisting or containing elements of a hagiography). I'm not saying this is necessarily so, I'm not familiar with the material enough to be certain, one way or the other. But as for summarizing the sources above, that ought to be achieved through the normal means of editorial collaboration — again, there's no shortage of scholarly talent in order to accomplish this. El_C 04:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you like to help draft a sentence that uses such sources? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a question of adding one sentence. Kot was a politician during the Holocaust who became involved in several interesting and contentious issues. So far we've found five historians who've discussed this. The issues have to be described carefully and in context. We need a sub-section about the Holocaust/WWII. The books will have to be tracked down so that we're not relying on Google Preview; Fleming, in particular, discusses Kot in several places. SarahSV (talk) 01:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are proposing would be WP:UNDUE in its extreme. You want to add a section on what not a single scholar writing up a biography of Kot's life has considered even worthy of discussing in a single sentence. Few passing remarks in off topic sources (not about Kot) about a minor incident are not likely to warrant even a sentence, through I am still open to reviewing whatever people propose. You have cited sources, now please use them to draft relevant content. I don't feel like I am able to do anything with them that wouldn't violate UNDUE, FRINGE and SYNTH, but you are welcome to try. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the minor incident? You argue that this material is UNDUE, FRINGE and SYN, because the sources you checked don't refer to it. That raises two questions: (1) Why is it not in the sources you checked? And (2) why did you check only those sources? SarahSV (talk) 03:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have checked and clearly cited every single in-depth biography of Kot that is online. I'll stress that I have found and cited every single in-depth English source about him. If you think I missed anything, you tell me what did I miss? Which leads to a simple answer to your question (1): it is not in them because it is a minor, trivial incident that is considered, by every single scholar who decided to write in-depth treatment of Kot's life, not relevant to it. Coincidentally, would you like to answer how many of those in-depth biographies of Kot (English and online) have you read?  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the minor incident you keep mentioning?  You can't argue that it's trivial because it's not in your sources, but then also argue that it's not in your sources because it's trivial. SarahSV (talk) 04:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Suuure. The difference is that "my sources" include in-depth analysis of his life, and "your sources" are off topic and mention him in passing. You seriously don't see a difference in the subject matter between a biography of a person and a book about Polish-Jewish relations that mentions the subject in passing in a very niche context? Said context being the overview of his life. Which is what this article is about. This is not an article about Polish-Jewish relations in World War II. You are welcome to add that incident there. Or, let me define it differently: "a trivial incident in the context of a biography of a person is an incident that is not mentioned in a single biography about the subject". I asked you many times: which biography of Kot mentions this incident? Can you cite a single one? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Gross 2006, p. 200 footnote: being in the Army gave you access to food and healthcare and some freedom from the Soviet state. This "was systematically denied to the Jews, to their great chagrin". For the exchange with Stalin, Gross cites Kot, Listy z Rosji Do Gen. Sikorskiego, 1955, p. 204.
12. Jan T. Gross, "A Tangled Web", in Deák et al., The Politics of Retribution in Europe: World War II and Its Aftermath, Princeton University Press, 2006, p. 119, n. 18:
SarahSV (talk) 05:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I've shortened the above because it was too much re: copyright and also unreadable. But if you don't think it's suitable for this article, why are you posting it here? SarahSV (talk) 23:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I re-aded some of the context which is needed. As I understand the final shape of the article is still being discussed.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I'm leaving here what was discussed on the review page. It needs to be summarized in the article carefully and in context, and not just in one or two sentences. A search should be made for other sources.
1. Mieczysław B. Biskupski, War and Diplomacy in East and West: A Biography of Józef Retinger, Taylor & Francis, 2017, p. 157:
2. Joshua D. Zimmerman, The Polish Underground and the Jews, 1939–1945, Cambridge University Press, 2015, pp. 111–112:
3. Michael Fleming, Auschwitz, the Allies and Censorship of the Holocaust, Cambridge University Press, 2014, p. 87: 
4. Joanna Michlic, Poland's Threatening Other: The Image of the Jew from 1880 to the Present, University of Nebraska Press, 2006, pp. 148–149:
SarahSV (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the excellent scholarship, Sarah. El_C 22:50, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , many thanks. I appreciate the feedback. SarahSV (talk) 23:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: How, pray tell, would you like to summarize it will maintaining WP:UNDUE? Go ahead, make an actual suggestion. And of course I would like to you answer the question asked 10 times or so, which is how do you explain that no biography of Kot considers this minor incident relevant enough to discuss? If they don't, why should we? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:53, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what "minor incident" is being referred to here. I'm seeing multiple mentions by reputable scholars in reputable publications, which may be enough in addressing due weight concerns. If existing biographies say nothing about antisemitic tendencies by the subject, that may simply be because of their failure to remain detached (for example, these consisting or containing elements of a hagiography). I'm not saying this is necessarily so, I'm not familiar with the material enough to be certain, one way or the other. But as for summarizing the sources above, that ought to be achieved through the normal means of editorial collaboration — again, there's no shortage of scholarly talent in order to accomplish this. El_C 04:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you like to help draft a sentence that uses such sources? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a question of adding one sentence. Kot was a politician during the Holocaust who became involved in several interesting and contentious issues. So far we've found five historians who've discussed this. The issues have to be described carefully and in context. We need a sub-section about the Holocaust/WWII. The books will have to be tracked down so that we're not relying on Google Preview; Fleming, in particular, discusses Kot in several places. SarahSV (talk) 01:23, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are proposing would be WP:UNDUE in its extreme. You want to add a section on what not a single scholar writing up a biography of Kot's life has considered even worthy of discussing in a single sentence. Few passing remarks in off topic sources (not about Kot) about a minor incident are not likely to warrant even a sentence, through I am still open to reviewing whatever people propose. You have cited sources, now please use them to draft relevant content. I don't feel like I am able to do anything with them that wouldn't violate UNDUE, FRINGE and SYNTH, but you are welcome to try. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the minor incident? You argue that this material is UNDUE, FRINGE and SYN, because the sources you checked don't refer to it. That raises two questions: (1) Why is it not in the sources you checked? And (2) why did you check only those sources? SarahSV (talk) 03:41, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have checked and clearly cited every single in-depth biography of Kot that is online. I'll stress that I have found and cited every single in-depth English source about him. If you think I missed anything, you tell me what did I miss? Which leads to a simple answer to your question (1): it is not in them because it is a minor, trivial incident that is considered, by every single scholar who decided to write in-depth treatment of Kot's life, not relevant to it. Coincidentally, would you like to answer how many of those in-depth biographies of Kot (English and online) have you read?  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:00, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the minor incident you keep mentioning?  You can't argue that it's trivial because it's not in your sources, but then also argue that it's not in your sources because it's trivial. SarahSV (talk) 04:07, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Suuure. The difference is that "my sources" include in-depth analysis of his life, and "your sources" are off topic and mention him in passing. You seriously don't see a difference in the subject matter between a biography of a person and a book about Polish-Jewish relations that mentions the subject in passing in a very niche context? Said context being the overview of his life. Which is what this article is about. This is not an article about Polish-Jewish relations in World War II. You are welcome to add that incident there. Or, let me define it differently: "a trivial incident in the context of a biography of a person is an incident that is not mentioned in a single biography about the subject". I asked you many times: which biography of Kot mentions this incident? Can you cite a single one? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Gross 2006, p. 200 footnote: being in the Army gave you access to food and healthcare and some freedom from the Soviet state. This "was systematically denied to the Jews, to their great chagrin". For the exchange with Stalin, Gross cites Kot, Listy z Rosji Do Gen. Sikorskiego, 1955, p. 204.
12. Jan T. Gross, "A Tangled Web", in Deák et al., The Politics of Retribution in Europe: World War II and Its Aftermath, Princeton University Press, 2006, p. 119, n. 18:
SarahSV (talk) 05:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: SarahSV

message: I add:
1. Antony Polonsky, "What made the massacre at Jedwabne possible?", The Polish Review, 2001, pp. 415–416:
--Pestilence Unchained (talk) 01:47, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Pestilence Unchained

message: 1. David Engel, Facing a Holocaust: The Polish Government-in-exile and the Jews, 1943-1945, The University of North Carolina Press, 1993:
Engel later describes how these proposals were adopted (in short: some rejected some accepted) by Government in exile, but it doesn't directly mention Kot and I believe it is suitable for place about Polish-Jewish relations during WW2, rather than here.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 14:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've shortened the above because it was too much re: copyright and also unreadable. But if you don't think it's suitable for this article, why are you posting it here? SarahSV (talk) 23:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

text: I re-aded some of the context which is needed. As I understand the final shape of the article is still being discussed.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: MyMoloboaccount

message: ===Page numbers===
We need page numbers for the sources. The current page ranges are too large: e.g. 95–212, 93–112, 95–118, 37–58. SarahSV (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As I believe we discussed elsewhere, while I agree using smaller page ranges is better, I believe page ranges like this are commonly acceptable for academic journals; in my experience, this is certainly accepted at GA level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:51, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We need page numbers to verify the material. You've left them out for books too. SarahSV (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, which books don't cite page numbers? This certainly needs to be fixed. Anyway, if you need any of the documents used, send me an email and I'd be happy to fwd any relevant pdfs to you. I think most Polish text are OCRed so they can be machine translated too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Brock et al. (2006) is a book chapter. Fitowa 2001 is a book. It's missing author(s), chapter title and page number(s). But I'm requesting page numbers for the journal articles too. See WP:CITEHOW. SarahSV (talk) 02:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fitowa is cited just for the linked blurb (quoted book summary), so I am not sure how to format the ref further. I do think you are right re Brock, and I'll add this to my to-do list. I am still not convinced that our policies cited require specific pages for the journals, and so I don't think  for journals is justified here. Again, I see no problem with being specific, but I think page numbers for journals are above and beyond our referencing requirements, and so adding those templates to the article is Wikipedia:Tag bombing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

text: 
First, that citation is missing the names of the three editors and the page number; 407–428 is too large a range. I've fixed the citation and introduced page numbers using .
However, that source didn't say he attended elementary school in Rzeszów. It said he attended high school in Rzeszów, so I changed that, but given that he went to university, he probably attended gymnasium. The blurb in Polish from his USHMM archive page says that he attended gymnasium in Rzeszów and elementary school in Czarna and Sędziszów. I don't know whether that's a good source. It's an unsigned blurb that accompanied the digital images of his papers, which are held in "Zakład Historii Ruchu Ludowego" in Warsaw. But it's more specific about his education than the other one, so it should be used until a better one is found. SarahSV (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

text: 
SarahSV (talk) 22:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a different author, I certainly agree we should add info on the chapter title and author. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you for looking into this. I think that we can trust the ZHRL entry for this (:pl:Zakład Historii Ruchu Ludowego - seems like a minor Polish research institute, that even publishes a minor academic journal :pl:Roczniki Dziejów Ruchu Ludowego), particularly given that it is hardly a red flag claim. PS. The only issue is that it may be next to impossible to figure out which Czarna is the correct one, there are at lest three in the same modern region of Poland... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Re:  It's better to place the source after the text it supports. Brock et al. (2006) doesn't say where he went to elementary school. It's the blurb on the USHMM site that does. If you don't want to do that, the references should at least be ordered in the way they support the text: in this case, USHMM first. SarahSV (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I think Brock still supports the Rzeszow high school, so is a secondary source for a part of that subsentence. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other sourcing issues 

message: We need page numbers for the sources. The current page ranges are too large: e.g. 95–212, 93–112, 95–118, 37–58. SarahSV (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As I believe we discussed elsewhere, while I agree using smaller page ranges is better, I believe page ranges like this are commonly acceptable for academic journals; in my experience, this is certainly accepted at GA level. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:51, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We need page numbers to verify the material. You've left them out for books too. SarahSV (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, which books don't cite page numbers? This certainly needs to be fixed. Anyway, if you need any of the documents used, send me an email and I'd be happy to fwd any relevant pdfs to you. I think most Polish text are OCRed so they can be machine translated too. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Brock et al. (2006) is a book chapter. Fitowa 2001 is a book. It's missing author(s), chapter title and page number(s). But I'm requesting page numbers for the journal articles too. See WP:CITEHOW. SarahSV (talk) 02:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Fitowa is cited just for the linked blurb (quoted book summary), so I am not sure how to format the ref further. I do think you are right re Brock, and I'll add this to my to-do list. I am still not convinced that our policies cited require specific pages for the journals, and so I don't think  for journals is justified here. Again, I see no problem with being specific, but I think page numbers for journals are above and beyond our referencing requirements, and so adding those templates to the article is Wikipedia:Tag bombing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Page numbers

message: Before I edited it, the article said: "He attended elementary school in Rzeszów", and didn't say anything else about his schooling. This was sourced to:
:
First, that citation is missing the names of the three editors and the page number; 407–428 is too large a range. I've fixed the citation and introduced page numbers using .
However, that source didn't say he attended elementary school in Rzeszów. It said he attended high school in Rzeszów, so I changed that, but given that he went to university, he probably attended gymnasium. The blurb in Polish from his USHMM archive page says that he attended gymnasium in Rzeszów and elementary school in Czarna and Sędziszów. I don't know whether that's a good source. It's an unsigned blurb that accompanied the digital images of his papers, which are held in "Zakład Historii Ruchu Ludowego" in Warsaw. But it's more specific about his education than the other one, so it should be used until a better one is found. SarahSV (talk) 20:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: 
SarahSV (talk) 22:03, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a different author, I certainly agree we should add info on the chapter title and author. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

text: Thank you for looking into this. I think that we can trust the ZHRL entry for this (:pl:Zakład Historii Ruchu Ludowego - seems like a minor Polish research institute, that even publishes a minor academic journal :pl:Roczniki Dziejów Ruchu Ludowego), particularly given that it is hardly a red flag claim. PS. The only issue is that it may be next to impossible to figure out which Czarna is the correct one, there are at lest three in the same modern region of Poland... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Re:  It's better to place the source after the text it supports. Brock et al. (2006) doesn't say where he went to elementary school. It's the blurb on the USHMM site that does. If you don't want to do that, the references should at least be ordered in the way they support the text: in this case, USHMM first. SarahSV (talk) 02:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but I think Brock still supports the Rzeszow high school, so is a secondary source for a part of that subsentence. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:48, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: School

message: :In the article's "Historian" secton, the first sentence in the final paragraph,
:"Wacław W. Soroka writes that, while those who knew Kot considered him a great scholar, commenting on his scholarship is difficult due to his politics."
:reads like a nonsequitur – especially since the article already states that Kot did not allow his political views to influence his scholarly writings.
:Unless the sentence can be usefully revised, I would prefer to see it dropped.
:Thanks.
:Nihil novi (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am ok with this being removed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Thanks. Nihil novi (talk) 01:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsequitur? 

message: --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, might be good to add to external links. Can you find a landing page that is above the pdf? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Here
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kot's reports online 

message: W roku 1933 został pozbawiony katedry z powodu zorganizowania w roku 1930 protestu profesorów Uniwersytetu jagiellońskiego przeciwko aresztowaniu przywódców tzw. Centrolew
In 1933 he was stripped of his position at the university due to organizing protest of professors of Jagiellon University against arrests of leaders of so called Centrolew
Also his Polish biography mentions that he was attacked by Endecja movement as philosemite 
Stanisław Kot, 1885-1975: biografia polityczna, Volumes 1885-1975, Tadeusz Paweł Rutkowski, page 96.
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 01:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The first fact is in the article. The second is interesting. Do you have access to the book by Rutkowski?  --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

text: Your source is a biographical brief from an archive inventory list? François Robere (talk) 11:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couple of interesting facts missing from his life-defending centre-left movement Centrolew and attacks by Endecja accusing him of Philo-Semitism 

message: "Pan ambasador mija się z prawdą!" Odpowiedzi na "Memoriał" Stanisława Kota do Gen : Andersa z lutego 1943 r. Rutkowski, Tadeusz Paweł Zeszyty Historyczne / Instytut Literacki. Z. 151 (2005), pages 95-135
Among others statesKot nie posiadał uprzedzeń w stosunku do Żydów i faktycznie zatrudniał wiele osób narodowości żydowskiej w aparacie opieki Ambasady i jej delegaturach.
Kot held no prejudices towards Jews and actually employed numerous persons of Jewish ethnicity in care apparatus of the Embassay and its outposts.
przez odmawianie obywatelstwa polskiego mniejszościom narodowym. Wielokrotnie uświadamiałem czynnikom wojskowym niebezpieczeństwo , jakie  grozi interesom polskim, jeśli Wojsko z powodu swojego rozgoryczenia o zachowanie mniejszości pod okupacją, czy też pod wpływem odruchów nacjonalistycznych pójdziena lep machiawelskiej polityki Sowietów(...)Zachowanie czynników wojskowych wywołał9 wzburzenie i protesty wśród polskich obywateli z mniejszości nie tylko u Zydów, co było natychmiast przez agentów NKWD wykorzystane przeciwko Polsce jako wyraz nie tylko antysemityzmu polskiego--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 02:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: These are given in sidenotes, and the latter is WP:PRIMARY (by Kot himself), correct? François Robere (talk) 11:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good online source about Kot 

message: The Katyn Massacre and Polish-Soviet Relations, 1941-43  George Sanford  Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 41, No. 1 (Jan., 2006), pp. 95-111
 The London government accepted the official Soviet figures of over 9000 army officers and 181,200 soldiers detained in the USSR. It rejected the claim by the Soviet ambassador in London Ivan Maisky that only 20,000 Polish PoWs were held on Soviet territory by the summer of 1941. Stanislaw Kot, the newly-appointed Polish ambassador to Moscow, was instructed to work for the rapid release of all Poles held in Soviet prisons and camps as well as to protect all Polish civilians throughout the USSR by establishing a network of consulates."7
Kot only received a confused and embarrassed reaction to the question: 'What happened to 7500 officers?', which he raised directly with deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Vyshinsky for the first time on 7 October 1941.24 Vyshinsky was better prepared the second time on 14 October, when he cited the figures of 387,932 Polish citizens confined in the USSR, 71,481 in prisons (sentenced or under investigation), 291,137 deported (in four great waves during 1939-40) or held in special settlements, and 25,314 detained as PoWs.By 1 October 345,511 had been released leaving only 42,421 still detained.25 Kot bluntly refused to accept the accuracy of these figures as most of the 9400 officers held in the USSR had not been accounted for. The Polish record states that 'the discussion became loaded with irritation'.26 
After these preliminary skirmishes Kot met Stalin for the first time in the Kremlin on 14 November(...) The charade played out by him and Prime Minister Viachyslav Molotov when Kot asked for the release of all Polish soldiers according to the Supreme Soviet amnesty and pointed out that not a single officer had returned from Starobelsk is well known. Pressed directly by Kot on the obvious existence of detailed lists of the missing officers from the three camps - the Poles had learnt by now that each officer had been interrogated individually - Stalin phoned, or pretended to hone, the NKVD to ask them whether all the Poles had been released!
The Establishment of Communist Rule in Poland, 1943-1948  Krystyna Kersten writes on page 44 that as condition for negotiations about creation of new Polish government Stalin categorically demanded removal of General Kazimierz Sosnkowski and ministers Marian Kukiel and Stanislaw Kot--
I believe his role in Katyn Massacre revelations need to be emphasised more, the article currently lacks several important aspects of his life, this being one of them.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kot, Stalin and Katyn Massacre