Talk:League of East European States

message: The present entry is highly incomplete.  It omits to mention how this concept is a standard component of antisemitic writings in Poland.  After all, what is better to generate hostility towards the Jews then to claim that they want to rule over you.  
From Antisemitism And Its Opponents In Modern Poland by Robert Blobaum page 61
Only at the beginning of the twentieth century and especially in the wake of the 1905 revolution, did the Jew become a powerful personification of a mysterious "enemy from within", conspiring to deprive the Poles of their expected self-rule.  These native aliens who demanded equal civic rights supposedly could not be satisfied with equality; instead they would strive to prevail over Poles in towns and cities, to humiliate them, and finally to turn Poland into a Judeo-Polonia.  It is no wonder that such a myth was subsequently activated during every political crisis or electoral competition.  It certainly reflected a Polish national feeling of being manipulated - as a national entity - by the great powers, secret societies, or other forces beyond people's knowledge and control.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.177.204 (talk) 06:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I think the term Judeopolonia should be split from actual proposal of Boddenheimer and others.However the proposal is not a myth in itself. It was actually proposed by him.
For instance
Germany, Turkey, and Zionism 1897-1918 Author: Isaiah Friedman page 231 also recalls this idea.
--Molobo (talk) 15:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Can be found in Germany, Turkey, and Zionism 1897-1918 Author: Isaiah Friedman. The number of Ukrainians is different by a large degree.
--Molobo (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to numbers of ethnic groups 

message: pg. 234
In the event of a Germany victory a League of East European States should be created, which would run approximately along the edge of the Pale Jewish of settlement.  In this League the Poles would be the strongest nation, but Ukrainians, White Russians, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Letts would maintain a balance.  The Jews together with the Germans would turn the scales.  For the constitution of the new State I set up the principle of the national autonomy of the alien peoples within the Russian Empire.  From the Jewish angle propaganda for should be undertaken among the Polish-Russian Jews.  If the invading German troops could be regarded by the Jews as delivereers from the Russian knout, the propaganda would have a certain prospect of success.  For the German empire the creation of this state would be of the greatest interest since it would be freed thereby from the constant threat of a Russian attack.  So far as the Jews of Russia were concerned I expected a mighty national upsurge, which could also facilitate the establishment of a Jewish State in Palestine.--Pharos (talk) 08:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Bodenheimer's memoirs (English translation) 

message: He's not a professional historian, and he's using bizarre terms like "Judeopolonia", so I question it.  I have seen nothing about Lublin being the capital in any of the other sources, and this sounds frankly like he made it up based on other incidents in Polish history.  I don't think we should be using him as a source for this.--Pharos (talk) 04:38, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Pogonowski an [[WP:RS]] for this topic? 

message: Besides Bodenheimer's memoirs, two primary sources from the time stand out (being cited by good secondary sources):
*August 14, 1914 letter to Diego von Bergen (search Germany, Turkey, and Zionism 1897-1918 for "Bodenheimer to Bergen", pg. 231)
*1916 article in Der Deutsche Krieg (search Never Say Die!: A Thousand Years of Yiddish in Jewish Life and Letters for "Ein neuer Staatenbund und das Ostjudenproblem", pg. 571)
Also, see the relevant section of the Bodenheimer archives.--Pharos (talk) 03:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources 

message: I'd like to suggest a rename to East European Federation, as looking at the proposed form of government, it's clear that it was not meant to be multiple states, but that the "federal" aspect would be non-territorial.  This form is also closer to the original German name and that used on Polish Wikipedia.--Pharos (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename to [[East European Federation]] 

message: Found a new source by : (Google Books, author's website).  It does mention Lublin / Hohenzollern, but I'm still skeptical of this aspect, as I can't find it in anything that is close to the primary texts or attributes it directly.--Pharos (talk) 12:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New source