Talk:Religion in Greece

message: It might be of relevance to note that the last Greek census to record religious affilliation in Greece happened in 1952 [] [], and it may well be where the "98% greek orthodox" figure comes from. In any case, the Greek state stopped recording religious affiliation thereafter (some might suspect exactly because the affiliation to the established orthodox state church was at its highest, but that cannot be proven). In any case, and inspite of the fact there have been 11 censuses since, not one has recorded religious affiliation ever again, so there are no "official" data, just a unanimous "98%" number from 70 years ago that gets bandied around.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.158.7 (talk) 09:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious data not collated in censuses 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Religion in Greece's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "religion2":
From Greece: 
From Religion in Russia: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:55, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe its the one about Greece which I will add now. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 14:13, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Religion in Greece]] 

message: In one paragraph, it is mentioned that 81% of Greeks believe in a God, yet in a later paragraph it states that 95-98% of Greeks are Greek Orthodox. Something doesn't click here --174.93.163.156 (talk) 15:12, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: People are baptized into a religion at a young age. Whether when the grow up they are still religious or not is separate though related to their membership in the church. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancies in the numbers 

message: In this case pic with mosque is irrelevant Mosques are not active in Greece.--Dactarianou (talk) 13:26, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  irrelevant pic 

message: I propose that the information on the case of "Pastitsios" is completely pertinent to the issue of religion (and religious freedom, or lack thereof) in Greece and that relevant information is added to the article . 46.12.123.57 (talk) 05:41, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elder Pastitsios 

message: There is an unreferenced mention of "most Greek atheists not joining the atheist union because they don't want to self identify as atheists". Whence does this come from? As far as I know it is an unsupported belief of the editor (one, moreover, that tends to denigrate those that don't care to join this "atheist union"). Atheists may have all sorts of reasons to dislike the atheist union in question (ie because of the perceived preponderance of libertarians in there). So far as there is no relevant citation and/or research, it's simply an unfounded assumption.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.144.18 (talk) 10:17, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tagged the relevant sentence for a citation. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atheist Union 

message: I wonder what makes a pie chart that doesn't even count a separate percentage for the Orthodox majority more reliable for this article. I also wonder what makes pewforum.org more reliable compared to the data from CIA factbook [] and the official census, which by the way were removed from the pie chart some months ago without consensus.Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: True. I am not sure why this was done, but the previous and more detailed info should be restored. Personally I find it is strange that the detailed statistics are replaced with a more ambiguous pie chart which doesn't even show the Orthodox percentage. --SILENTRESIDENT 06:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the previous pie chart should be restored. Pew research results are based on a tiny sample group and should not be used for pie charts, and only merit a mention in the body of an article if it is deemed to be DUE by page consensus. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:16, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Pew Forum is a rather weak source, but the Factbook appears to be even worse. They do not tell us the source of their data or the year of their estimate. Official census data is generally the best choice. JimRenge (talk) 22:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't we include newest pew forum june 2015-july 2016 data released on 10 may 2017? here is the link (sample around 1800, multi country report), very detailed informations http://www.pewforum.org/2017/05/10/religious-belief-and-national-belonging-in-central-and-eastern-europe/  Download the full report--User:FrankCesco26 (talk) 21:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Please notice that these new Pew Research Center data are based on very small samples, and (just like their 2012 data, by the way) completely contradict the findings of the censuses of some of the Slavic countries (Belarus, Bulgaria, etc.). These surveys are not qualitative enough to match and replace the data from censuses (note that a census is the survey of the entire population of a country).--Wddan (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There hasn't been an accurate census of religion in Greece (there isn't the government source for the 1991 one), so the article need to use the most recent and reliable data that is the Newest 2017 report of Pew Research Center. Note that for religion in Italy the sample was ONLY 1120. The sample for Greece by Pew Research 2017 (data got in 2015) is 1,465. So it can be used.--FrankCesco26 (talk) 12:45, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ... And, as has been discussed with you on other parallel articles, compromising reliably sourced data with WP:SYNTH / WP:NOR is misleading for the reader. We are not under any form of obligation to stay on top of the most recent polls (et al) just because editors want to update information. Stats from years ago are still used in all manner of articles about countries/nation-states until such a time as reliably sourced data of an ilk usurps the old data... and there is consensus amongst editors that the new source is on par with the old source. Could we please stop this shmozzle and restore the old pie chart, then relegate the Pew data to an appropriate section (and such a reference should be kept appropriately brief). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:36, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Pie chart data

message: Hello, I recently found something that I'd like to discuss about. The information in the given article is partially false / outdated; in general, this article doesn't seem to be matching its Greek equivalenthttps://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%98%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1_%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD_%CE%95%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1, which as a matter of fact; is correct. I, myself attempted to fix the issue based on the Greek article that I mentioned above, however, all of my corrections eventually got undid as "they were based on Original Research and unreliable sources".. I find the digression of these two articles unreasonable and confusing. I'm looking forward to discussing and resolving this whole absurdity.Aeluroides (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not allowed to use articles from en Wikipedia or its Greek version as sources (WP:CIRCULAR). The edit history of the Greek article shows that there is edit warring about the statistical data, the article has been protected today by admins. Your changes of statistical data on en wikipedia were reverted because they were unsourced or not supported by the source given.  JimRenge (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reason behind the edit war on gr Wikipedia was the digression between the article and the Pie-chart, not any sort of uncertainty or unreliability in the article itself. The paragraph which refers to statistical data hasn't changed a bit in the course of months; only the Pie-chart got edited recently to suit the statistical data in the article. Indeed; the gr article has been protected today, but not for the reasons you mentioned. It got protected so it can be safe from further vandalization by Greek Orthodoxs who simply dislike the facts.Aeluroides (talk) 17:27, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Your arguments are null and void on English language Wikipedia. We use reliable sources, not personal points of view for content. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: My arguments are not null.. If you're really using reliable sources then explain to me why there's a digression between same articles of different languages.Aeluroides (talk) 09:01, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information And Statistical Data 

message: Not all metaphysical beliefs are religions or religious because they don't necessarily include the supernatural = magical teleological violations of logic with degrees of anthropocentric bias from a fully personhooded God to an impersonal divine field but still ethicoæsthetically anthropobiased. 2A02:2149:8B7A:4B00:7D66:432D:67CF:B412 (talk) 17:25, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion isn't the highest order hypernym of all [[metaphysical worldview (highest order hypernym of metaphysical beliefs)|metaphysical worldview]]s