Talk:Salomon Morel

message: People that lived in Upper Silesia to survive occupation had to signature that they are Germans (people who didn't do that were sent to Auschwitz), after  war people of Upper Silesia were oppressed on the other hand by the polish communist. SO LEARN MORE ABOUT HISTORY OF UPPER SILESIA AND DON'T WRITE LIES THAT ONLY GERMANS WERE IN THAT CAMP, most of German's escaped to Germany during or soon after war.
: "had to signature" - No, the (East-)Upper Silesians had NOT to SIGNATURE (as in the occupied "origianal/historical" Poland).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2A02:F00:74C5:DA0B:8A84:9264 (talk) 18:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germans or Silesian's 

message: What does this person have to do with the current anti-fascist ideology of anti-Germans that is not to be confused with anti-German sentiment? Andries 20:37, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-german 

message: Should he be in the :Category:War criminals or not? He is accused of being a war criminal by Poland; Isreal apparently doesn't agree, and he himself obviously doesn't want to face trial (and probably never will).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:58, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'd say if he's never been convicted, he doesn't belong.  Even Adolf Hitler doesn't make the list. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 18:04, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if someone is convicted in absentia? Perhaps we should have a separate category for such individuals.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if they were convicted in absentia, I'd probably still be inclined to count that as a conviction.  But again, that's just my opinion Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 18:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Febr.-Nov. 1945 ! --172.177.188.17 23:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: Some sources like this mention he was imprisoned in Auschwitz. Others deny this or don't mention this at all. How should we address it? From the available sources I think the most 'serious' is the IPN bio, and it doesn't say a word about Auschwitz.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems clear that he wasn't in Auschwitz. If he were he wouldn't be able to join partisans and go to USSR. I mean how likely it is that he would be able to leave Auschwitz if he were imprisoned there?--SylwiaS | talk 09:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. There is also the version that 'his family was in Auschwitz'.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auschwitz? 

message: This book is POV, this shouldn't be in a reference.
:Please cite your sources for such accusation. Nothing in John Sack article indicates he has been discredited, and being controversial is not a valid objection.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 22:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This was discussed above. An academic institution like IPN is much more trustworthy then a newspaper.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Sack, An Eye for an Eye: The Story of Jews Who Sought Revenge for the Holocaust, 

message: Ok, I see again that again were deleted facts about people who were in Zgoda Camp. Most of prisoners were not Nazi collaborators, in the fact nobody then was really interested in truth. In Silesia (whole region) everyone had to signed Volkslista, or go to Auschwitz. Even Polish government-in-exile ordered to signed Volkslista to prevent of killing people. After war Germans who were war criminals escaped abroad. Prisoners in Zgoda Camp came from raids on local population. I have written it once with sources a long time ago (my english was better also), and it was deleted. Why? Why
: "had to sign" - No, had to accept.
deleted facts by 99.49.82.242
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=274019850
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=273943554
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Most lies in this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Salomon_Morel&diff=prev&oldid=273813949
6000 of political prisoners? In whole Poland there wasn't soo much politicans. Once again most prisoners were local population oF Silesia, there were no trials.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.239.192.193 (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problems with  neutral point of view 

message: This is clearly POV, and is not the correct translation of the Urząd Bezpieczeństwa, which is actually the "Ministry of Public Security of Poland. I'm deleting the reference to "Communist Security" because no such thing exists, and it meant to be a simple political buzzword. P1nkfl0yd (talk) 11:28, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Communist Security" 

message: :I noticed than in article Zgoda labour camp  there is a section regarding this issue: 
::"Some families took children with them to the camp, but such cases were marginal, and concerned a few mothers who did not want to leave their children alone.Salomon Morel i obóz w Świętochłowicach-Zgodzie The Institute of National Remembrance, web site accessed 2010-07-28 Statistics and witness statements speak of about 2 mothers with children below 1,5 years of age and perhaps 2 or 3 children 6 or 7 years old. This was a violation of a directive by Security Department that forbade admitting prisoners along with children below 13 years old, who were ordered to be handed over to state care instead."
: So note the difference between "Sometimes children were sent to the camp along with parents" and "Some families took children with them to the camp," so  this  claims contraindicate each other.Based on my limited knowledge of Polish,(I have Slavic and Hungarian ancestry)  I guess that children were not sent to the camp but (children were usually taken from parents by Communist police) and exceptionally allowed into the camp with their parents. If this is not the case the Zgoda labour camp article has to be adjusted accordingly.--Tritomex (talk) 19:25, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zgoda labour camp and children 

message: It is said:
In 1994, soon after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, Morel was investigated by Poland's Institute of National Remembrance for war crimes 
Problem is, the Institute of National Remembrance only started working in 2000.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.27.53 (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It was pre-IPN, Komisja Badania... (many names).Xx236 (talk) 13:23, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  IPN Invastigation 1994 

message: Morel was the commander of the Jaworzno camp, see Jaworzno concentration camp. Not mentioned here.Xx236 (talk) 13:22, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creative biography 

message: Morel was mentioned in the book.Xx236 (talk) 13:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[An Eye for an Eye: The Untold Story of Jewish Revenge Against Germans in 1945]] 

message: :The text has been removed from IPN pages. Unknown author. Published in 2002.
:Morel was a warden in Lublin, not any chief. http://polska1918-89.pl/pdf/23-lata,-6-miesiecy-i-22-dni-salomona-morela,5751.pdf
Xx236 (talk) 09:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The IPN text 

message: 10:01, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't he also briefly in the the NKVD? Or is that incorrect? I removed multiple instances of "communist" prior to government, as it seems superfluous - we don't describe the form of government prior to each use of "government" or "authorities" in most articles on Wikipedia. Icewhiz (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morel was a commander of Polish communist camps only 

message: :The survivor Dorota Boriczek described Morel as "a barbaric and cruel man" who often personally tortured and killed prisoners.
The Independent article calls her Boriczek but in The Savage Peace, the on-screen text calls her Boroczek.
What is her real surname and what is a typo? --Error (talk) 01:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither Boriczek nor Boroczek but: Boreczek. :-)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2A02:F00:74C5:DA0B:8A84:9264 (talk) 18:27, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dorota Bor*czek 

message: The original WIKIPEDIA text says: Morel's mother, father and one brother were killed by the Blue Police during Christmas of 1942.[10][better source needed] 
Here is another source for this info:
JOHN SACK in his book 'An eye for an eye' on page 67 writes about Salomon Morel:
He was twenty when the Germans invaded, but his curse during the war was the Polish collaborators. Poles, not Germans, picked up his father, mother, and one brother in Christmas week, 1942, as Shlomo watched from the top of a haystack, hay in his mouth lest the Poles hear him cry.
"Where are your other sons?" said the Poles, but Shlomo's mother wouldn't say, and the Poles, not the Germans, punished her by shooting the father, then brother, then her. Zalek Bloom (talk) 20:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 4 December 2023