Talk:Doctor Who fandom

message: Trock is a viable genre, i own an album by Chameleon Circuit.  DFTBA has 18 artists releasing under its name.   Also the group The Timelords  released a single Doctorin' the Tardis which reached number 1 in the UK charts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darnedfrenchman (talk • contribs) 23:54, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trock

message: Here I quote him, the highly critical science-fictioneer:
Whilst on the lecture platform of the World Science Fiction Convention in 1979...
"Star Wars is adolescent nonsense; Close Encounters is obscurantist drivel; Star Trek can turn your brains to puree of bat guano; and the greatest science fiction series of all time is Doctor Who!  And I'll take you all on, one-by-one or all in a bunch to back it up!"
DrWho42 10:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.. That's whereto I got my quote. (= Anyways, he admits to hating television and alot of its "science-fiction" save for this fine exception in the space-time wash.DrWho42 13:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hasn't be subsequently claimed not to have actually written that introduction? Angmering 17:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harlan Ellison is definately a fan... 

message: Rather than the Save Doctor Who campaign sticker, shouldn't it be more akin to something like a Whovian dressed in fan-attire or an image of a Doctor Who convention? DrWho42 07:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As "fan attire", IMHO, is jeans and t-shirt, I would prefer the latter ;-) A queue of fans waiting to get an autograph would be suitable if anyone has such a photo. —Whouk (talk) 08:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, although I'm image-inept, I've got some pictures from the last Gallifrey convention.  I'll see if there's anything suitable and try to upload it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • 
contribs) 16:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Was there anything suitable? DrWho42 23:31, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

text: OK: the photos are up at :Image:4thDoccostume.jpg, :Image:GallifreyAutographs.jpg and :Image:Gallifrey2006.jpg.  If any of them look good to anyone, feel free to put them on the page.  If not, I won't be hurt.  (The Fourth Doctor costume one could probably be cropped a bit, as well; I left it as-is because of the convention schedule on the wall, but we probably don't need the guy in the background.)  Anyway, there they are. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer the autograph session because it shows off fans as opposed to just one fan or just the guests. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I'll put that one on the page then — it can at least serve as a placeholder until we get something better. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 07:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rather than... 

message: From the episode Rose...
# Clive's wife Caroline (who is not mentioned by name on screen) shows surprise that a "she" would read a website about the Doctor. This is a sly aside, noting the widely-held misconception that there are extremely few female Doctor Who fans. (However, statistics soon revealed that the male/female ratio for Doctor Who's viewing audience is roughly 1:1.)
Could anyone verify that supposed "fact"? DrWho42 17:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if the audience is split 50:50, that's not the same as evidence that fandom is split in the same proportion... —Whouk (talk) 08:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no, the fandom should be about 50/50 as well. So many girl fans out there want to touch #10 inappropriately.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.235.122.147 (talk) 20:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tenth Doctor fangirls did not exist at the time Rose aired, or if they did they had remarkable foresight ;) 121.75.131.153 (talk) 23:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Male/female ratio 

message: In 1989 when Doctor Who was going off the air, Steve Martin went on an Australian variety show called "Hey! Hey! It's Saturday" and sung a song like Adam Sandler's Hannukah song, only with celebrity Whovians instead of celebrity Jews. Two of those names he listed was Prince Charles and Jack Nicholson.
::That kinda sounds like a conspiracy theory if it wasn't about Doctor Who.... DrWho42 03:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Nicholson and Prince Charles 

message: From spscriptorium.com
"Dr. Who has two episodes people could be reminded of. The first has to do with the Daleks (Gelgameks), the second with the planet of spiders (the Queen Spider)."
That's the link I provided yet khasworks stated he couldn't find it, well there it is in black and white, plain as day, clear as crystal.
Proof that not only Matt Parker's and Trey Stone's work was influenced by Doctor Who, proof that they are Whovians BUT khasworks does not want me contributing.
Well Khaosworks I've got news for you, there I can contribute and if you don't like it piss off —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DaffyDuck619 (talk • contribs) 01:12, August 27, 2006  (UTC)
:Daffy, I don't think it's ever been about you.  It's about the edits which you are providing without reliable sources.  You need to be specific when you link to a page: for example, when you gave http://www.spscriptorium.com/ScriptGuideIndex.htm as a citation, that was not helpful because that link goes to the front page of the site.  People can't be expected to search through transcripts of every South Park episode.  And your comment above isn't helpful either, because it doesn't let us know which episode or page you're quoting from.  It's in black and white, but nobody except you knows exactly where it's from.  It's just not good enough.
:Also, if you're providing a link to back up a claim that an individual is a Doctor Who fan, please be sure that it actually says that.  You linked to http://www.physics.mun.ca/%7Esps/serials/tvm.html as supporting the notion that Steven Spielberg wanted to direct the TV movie, or another Doctor Who movie.  The page has moved to here, and although it says that Spielberg was involved in vetoing John Leekley's script, it doesn't say anything about Spielberg wanting to direct.
:Finally, we've been over why IMDb is not a reliable source for trivia of this kind.  IMDb's staff check submissions of credits, but the trivia and biography sections are frequently error-laden, and not acceptable for Wikipedia's purposes.
:Khaosworks is enforcing Wikipedia policies.  He is not editing in opposition to you — if you can provide specific, reliable sources for the information you want to add, it will be retained.  However, if you continue to add the same information with erroneous, unspecified links or no links at all, it will be removed.  Also, please remember Wikipedia's policies about civility (good) and personal attacks (bad).  Come on, it's not that difficult. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contribution

message: Reading what khasworks said about what makes someone a fan of the show, it's not when they say they like it or when they say good things about it or when they say they're a fan of it, it's when they write for or about the series.
So the South Park boys have written about Doctor Who, they wrote about the serial the Planet of the Spiders in the episode Red Hot Catholic Love (check out Red Hot Catholic Love section in spscriptorium.com), with the giant queen spider and all. Plus in one episode, I forgot which one it was, there was a Doctor in the show named "Who". Plus in most episodes that contained a nerd in it, there was a reference to the show. So there for Matt Stone and Trey Parker have written about Doctor Who and khaosworks justifies them as a fan DaffyDuck619
:No, that's not my criteria at all. In any case, you're misinterpreting what I say when I say writing "about the series"; I mean in a non-fictional sense. Moffat, et al. have all gone on record as saying the are fans, and have written articles, etc. about Who as well. You're drawing a conclusion that Ston and Parker are fans because of a similarity in aliens - that's the original research. Cite us something that the reference was intended and was because they are fans of the show, not the show itself. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 07:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Stone and Trey Parker are fans 

message: Can I thank the person (whose name I can't remember at the moment) for the message he sent re the posting of the link to Doctor Who Online but could I ask if he could translate what he said into English (i.e what is the problem with the listing?) Harry Hayfield 22:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't the one who left the message on your user talk page, but I hope I can explain in English — the issue is that Wikipedia has a guideline for external links, and one of the things that it discourages is links to fan sites.  The article was actually already in violation of that guideline by linking to DWIN, Outpost Gallifrey and the like, so I've replaced those with a link to the Web Guide to Doctor Who, as the most comprehensive example of a Doctor Who web directory (see WP:EL#Links to be considered, #2).  Presumably, readers interested in finding Doctor Who fan sites can go to the Web Guide and from there find links to Doctor Who Online or any other fan site.  I hope that makes sense to you. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It does indeed thanks for that Harry Hayfield 03:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who Online: Permissible Link or not? 

message: Podcasts are increasingly becoming used to voice fans opinions on the show, for example Doctor Who: Podshock, Doctor Who: DWO Whocast and Doctor Who: Tin Dog Podcast, I feel as this is a large part of Doctor Who fandom and it should be mentioned on the page. Anybody else?--Wiggstar69 21:50, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Podcasts... 

message: I've deleted the following large section on individual fans with fan films on YouTube:
::Many people now place their homemade Doctor Who videos on the video sharing site, Youtube
::Youtube is full of Doctor Who fan films, some of the most notable film makers are;
::Tony Coburn (timelordfromhell)
::Tony Coburn has been making films since 2004, and was featured in the first episode of Totally Doctor Who alongside Thomas Rees Kaye for their fan films. In 2007, Coburn cancelled his original account (gallifreyrebel) after an argument with 2 fellow users. But soon after that he returned. He is currently in College and is filming his first full series. He has 2 episodes from his Series online, and his 2007 Christmas Special was titled "Christmas Collison".
::Thomas Rees Kaye (crevasse)
::Thomas Rees Kaye has also been making films since 2004, many of them starring himself alongside Tony Coburn and others such as Sebastian Bird. He rarely uploads but has over 200 suscribers and many more viewers. His latest episode got an average rating of 5 stars and 1 honour.
::Sebastian Bird (DaleksFearMe)
::Sebastian Bird has been making films since 2006. Most notable for his Doctor Who Spoofs "Who's Doctor Who" and "Doctor Bond". Bird has his own series going which is scoring high ratings. His Doctor made his debut in "House of Horror".
::B.S.O. Green (Mysteriousinternaut):
::The series began in 2006, spawning from a one off animated Time War film. He has made Two series, and plans to run for many more years. Next year will see the addition of three specials, instead of a series, due to the busy lifestyle of its creator, B.S.O Green. He's had a range of companions, featuring K9 (his most recent companion) and a timelord who's soul has been transported into a machine called Marnal.
::Jamie Carroll (Carroll 13):
::With a very popular first series, Caroll 13 has managed to group together a group of actors (something that many film makers struggle with, due to difficult filming shedules) and has two companions (both male) called Nip and Strider. Work is currently undergoing on a Christmas Special.
::Emma (Dogtor who):
::This youtube member has re-created different scenes from the popular science fiction series "Doctor Who", replacing the actors with animated Dogs. It's a very popular series, with such moments as the 9th-10th Doctor regeneration being re-created to give her thoasands of viewers.
::Tom J.C (NAFALL):
::NAFALL doesn't have a full fan film series, but he creates his own animated trailers/short episodes which have gained over 50,000 viewers. He has written a Series 2 episode for Carroll 13, which is due to be released next year, and has worked with Mysteriousinternaut on the episode 'Apollo 13', coming up with some of the main elements for the story. His Doctor Who animations are the most viewed on his channel.
::Joshua Williams (Cyberman2k6)
::Joshua Williams has been making films since January 2007 with his Doctor Who themed spoof "At Home with the Boss". Various plans for a series fell through due to various computer problems but filming is due to begin in March 2008 on his first full series. Although Williams has made 3 stories, these are as follows: Snowballs which is a 3 minute thing to make use of Snow and has no real plot, Alien Presence which introduces his Doctor properly and Genetic Rift which has since been removed from Youtube.
::Jackson Boyd (TheDoctorJackson)
Jackson Boyd is apart of Boyd Productions, a filming production org. made by him in early 2008. With permanent members David Hedrick (Zman123458) and Brandon Furr (TimeLordBrandon). And other guests.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.159.119 (talk) 02:28, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lists of YouTube contributors also invites listcruft.  Most of the edits to re-add these names over recent weeks have been by IP addresses (non-registered Wikipedia members), who might well be the individuals themselves.  On a side issue, is the Celebrity Fans section already in danger of looking like listcruft? Could it be trimmed to highlight the greater celebrities only? Difficult, but maybe worthwhile. --The Missing Hour (talk) 19:44, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube fans 

message: The link to the Doctor Who Web Guide doesn't work anymore.
--CGW (talk) 17:17, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. --Brian Olsen (talk) 17:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to Doctor Who Web Guide 

message: Chamelion circuit is a viable band and deservse a mention on this page
--Pireninjacolass (talk) 19:21, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They may well be a real band, but unfortunately there don't exist enough reliable, third-party sources for them to be notable enough to warrant including them in this article. In the past, mentions of them have been poorly-sourced or not sourced at all, and have such been removed. Once notability has been established, it may be appropriate to add them. 92.2.69.120 (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello. I had the same thought about CC while reading this article. Obviously some time has passed since this comment was made, so do enough good sources exist today? There is the official website of the band's founder: http://charliemcdonnell.com/music/ and sites such as Last.fm listing their songs and such. Surely this is enough to at least prove their existence? NexusBoy (talk) 20:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Websites created by people in (or close to) the band don't really count, as they are self-published sources – this means that they are not third-party. Last.fm is third-party, but it's not reliable because anyone can edit it or add music to it. The band that I'm in has a Last.fm page, but that doesn't mean that we should be added to Wikipedia. So, in short, I'm afraid that those two sources do not currently prove CC's notability. 92.21.195.122 (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Their albums are on Amazon and iTunes and YouTube, and these are third party and the first two at least are not editable by anyone... NexusBoy (talk) 20:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Being on sale through iTunes and Amazon doesn't necessarily make a band notable - a group can technically pay for themselves to have their music available through those particular channels. There are a lot of unsigned bands with singles for sale on iTunes, but that doesn't mean that they should all get their own Wikipedia articles. As you've said, anyone can upload a video to YouTube, and that doesn't necessarily make the band notable either. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chameleon Circuit 

message: These two are definitely fans. Craig frequently mentions it on the Late Late Show and Chris on his podcast (Nerdist). Recently, Craig had a Doctor Who-themed show that featured a Dalek and Matt Smith as a guest. A video has leaked online of a dance that couldn't play on air because they couldn't get the rights to the DW theme song.
USA Today
Youtube video of the dance
EditingW (talk) 08:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Craig Ferguson/Chris Hardwick 

message: Not one source in the article is a secondary source that covers the topic of the article itself, the Doctor Who fandom. This fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines and may put the article up for speedy deletion if not corrected. IsaacAA (talk) 10:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck wih that. Nick Cooper (talk) 11:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The discussion for article deletion was snowballed, yet no one is actively trying to show the notability of the Doctor Who fandom. IsaacAA (talk) 21:24, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  No secondary sources covering the fandom itself, lacks notability 

message: Is this section necessary?  What the hell is a "notable" fan?  What is the purpose other than a dubious fannish desire for external validation of one's own fannish behaviour (Oooh, Ten watched when a nipper--squeee!). Bloody embarrassing.  Moreover, anything here which is unsourced is likely a WP:BLP violation. It's like "outing" people. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 02:51, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Celebrity fans?

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message: This is likely to be a hotly contested subject but I wondered if there should be a section added for the Facebook group Doctor Who TARDISposting or, in particular, the internet meme  Scongo. My reasoning for this, initially, is that the group has probably become the most notorious fan network for Doctor Who in generations (I dont have any sources to prove this, but hey ho it is the talk page). Scongo is actually set to be featured in the Doctor Who: Worlds Apart Online Trading Card game and there are of course numerous videos circulating of previous incarnations exclaiming "Scongo is the best villain" or something to that effect.
I know this is going to be a contentious subject because certain individuals will reject the sentiment that a shitposting group should deserve any kind of notoriety in the first place, however, I think it's worth noting that Doctor Who only exists because of the persistence of its fanbase, meaning Scongo is as important to the franchise's history as Doctor in Distress, those weird VHS knockoffs Colin Baker was involved in, or various projects by Nicholas Briggs, Mark Gatiss et al. in the 1990s.
Its also worth arguing that, as the game has not yet been released, these two things are yet to be solidified in the franchise's history yet.
:: Ask most fans about Scongo and they will not know what you are talking about and TARDISposting is only notorious with a very small section of DW fandom. I have been a fan of DW, and active in the fandom, and I had no heard of either until I stumbled upon them by chance. I have, however, noticed that members of that group are trying hard to make themselves, and this Scongo "joke", "a thing" and for all I know you could be one of them. "Scongo" is not at all noteworthy and should not be included in the article; the fact it is an unfunny, tired joke with nothing interesting behind it is, of course, irrelevant and just my opinin. _ The Mummy  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.174.147.111 (talk) 18:24, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctor Who TARDISposting and Scongo