Talk:Tarkan (singer)

message: What is his nationality,Turkish or German?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.232.25.224 (talk) 09:49, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Nationality

message: "Many media press find it strange that Tarkan even would consider to participate for the contest. If he is stating that in Turkey shows aren't that modern as in the Europe or the US. Isn't he contradicting himself wanting to join the Eurovision for Turkey."
This material seems to be editorializing. First sentence: who finds his decision strange? Please cite a reference. Second sentence is incomplete and speculates on what the subject may or may not be saying--who can tell? The last sentence is pure conjecture. I suggest that this material be deleted, as it adds nothing but opinion to this article.  Munchkyn (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "In July 1997, the hit single S,imar ik was released." -- What is the comma doing there? It's not present in the Turkish version, nor any diacritic mark around S, so it may be a typo, isn't it?
Adam78 02:46, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diacritic Mark  

message: The English version of "Kiss Kiss" was first recorded by Stella Soleil in 2001 before it got released by Holly Valance (in 2002).  The Valance version is significantly more popular, although both versions sound nearly identical, so I'm not sure if it's really worthy of inclusion.  
--Nulldevice 16:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soleil vs Valance 

message: "He is affectionately known as the Turkish Prince of Pop"... come on, could you make it sound any cornier? It sounds like the parody of some one hit wonder who had one international single... nevermind, just know that it sounds lame.
It doesn't mention being the prince of international pop dumbass, obviously in Turkey - in his own native land - he is the definitive prince of pop - and by guessing from where you're from at least he has had TWO international hits. Can you say the same? Go play elsewhere hater or next time have the guts to leave a signature. 82.145.231.166 03:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually he had three hits in Europe, Simarik, Şıkıdım and Bu Gece and now Bounce (Tarkan song) and Start the Fire (song) are also climbing up German charts. Respect. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 20:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: User [[User:Khoikhoi|Khoikhoi]] supports vandalism

message: There's no need to protect the page just 'coz someone puts in some fully relevant and verifiable info about he's being homosexual. It made him a bit "less popular" (at least among his Turkish fans) so it has to be in the article!
200.77.144.246 2 July 2005 00:40 (UTC)
He is known as bisexual in Turkey.
Can someone please source this "fully relevant and verifiable info". Where is it? I haven't seen it? People think they can just spout as much cr*p as they want. Put down the sources - I want to see them for myself. 82.145.231.217 20:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for page protection

message: In the expansion of Age of Empires 2 tarkan is an anti-building cavalry unique to the huns.Can a page explaining this be created?
Bluepaladin
* Tarkan is a Hun-Turkish name so that is why there is a cavalry unit named after it. With respect, Deliogul 18:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Age of Empires 2?

message: Please explain to me how the person's comment is vandalism. It looks like a legit comment to me. And was the last thing you said sarcasm or sincerity? —Khoikhoi 19:16, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: Those who want to understand the Tarkan phenomenon should read this article http://tarkandeluxe.blogspot.com/2004/07/passion-of-tarkan.html BEFORE editing ANYTHING! The artcile is totally unbiased, based on facts and reports, not hiding anything either. Thanks to Ali Yildirim. Tarkan is not simply a singer in Turkey. He is the singer. And that's a fact. people either dislike him or admire him but ask anyone in Turkey out of 70 million people, there wouldn't be a single one without an opinion. Somehting like an Elvis Presley impact on people. and undoubtedly he is the most successful Turkish performer in Turkey and outside of Turkey as well. and the most important thing is, in my opinion, that he became such a phenomenon without the media's help (who were agaisnt him from the very beginning). Those who haven't yet been to a concert in Turkey cannot know what it is like out there. People from all age groups and both sexes simply go wild when he appaears on stage. Even if he doesn't tour for two years and then gives one single concert it's FULL. One journalist says that this is what makes him a true star. He doesn't have to make scandals to be on the agneda of newspapers (they'll find out something anyway). For years he hadn't given a proper interview or appeared in TV shows and yet whenever he gave a concert it was full success. Rumours say last year's Ankara concert had 40.000 people, and his last album was published in 2003! That's soemthing remarkable. oesn't even have to move his little finger to gather people around. I had the chance to meet him personally and now I can fully understand what Ali is writing about in the artcile above. He has such an aura that only the greatests have, soemthin that turns even heterosexual men (!) into fans of his, I saw that with my own eyes a week ago in Vienna! You have to visit Turkey once and see with your own eys the hysteria he causes anywhere he appears. A lot of Turks say they hate him but every of them has at least one Tarkan cd at home and that's unbelievable! I mean if I hate some performer I wouldn't spend money on their stuff... But a Tarkan cd is soemthing every Turk mhas to have in their collection and they do - legally or illegally but they do! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 21:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recommended reading before editing! 

message: :: For trasnlated articles see http://tarkantr.blogspot.com/ It is also Ali's work - and he is NOT a fan. Unfortunately there aren't many sources in English about Tarkan, and the best are Ali's translations. You cannot be subjective when you translate, it's not like writing something out of your head.... and he is fluent in English, he's been living in england since the age of 3... and for he is a lawyer himself, he is very accurate in naming his sources and generally about coypright stuff. If this is not enough for you, ask some of the Turkish editors here to check some of Ali's translations and give an opinion about them, whether they are good enough. 
Here is a part of an interview he gave in 2001 to Hürriyet, one of the most acknowledged newspapers:(translation:Ali Yildirim):
:::After all those years of silence why did you find it necessary to break your silence and declare "No, I'm not gay!" recently?
:::- Because they are always asking me. And from the first day. If you were asked the same thing everyday, you'd get tired of it too. You'd say "Enough!"
:::Does it bother you? Or do you think "Let them think what they want it doesn't concern me"?
:::- I can do what I want. And I might have done everything. And there are times when I think whose business is it anyway...
:::What would happen if you were gay, would "Your little girl fans protest and leave you"?
:::- What's that got to do with it? They wouldn't disappear! Just the opposite, they'd feel closer to me. But I'm not saying that this is the case. I'm just saying that "This is my life". Or have I given the impression that I am trying to prove the opposite? I might be that way inclined I might not be...
:::Who do you think starts such rumours?
:::- Men! Definitely. Women don't even care about things like that. From the first, it's been look at his earring, his ripped jeans...
:::Why are men doing this to you?
:::- We both know the answer to that question. XXX
:::Is it only because they are jealous of you?
:::- I'm a threat to men!
:::Is it because you can get women that they like?
:::- Nooo. It's because I destroy what they try to show off as manhood!
...
:::They said Ricky Martin is gay...
:::- Yes because in his presentation of music and sensuality too there is sex. This is appealing to people. To both men and women. I am not Ibrahim Tatlises (a Turkish male singer) to approach women in a macho fashion. Years ago I said "I am both feminine and masculine". What I meant was being androgynous. Ricky has this too. But only him? No, Michael Jackson, Prince, even in Elvis Presley too. I don't want people to think I'm comparing myself to them, but I do not just excite one side. I want to excite everybody. Prince, even though everyone believes him to be heterosexual, goes on stage in high heel shoes. This is how he feels comfortable. So he can dance well, sing and play well. When Ricky wears tight pants and shows his belly it happens. When I do it too. The stage is a different world. You become one with God and the music. I have to be as comfortable as I can on stage, don't I? There must be no limits, no taboos. And the purpose is not just to excite one side! Why should I just play for the ladies? I mustn't pass over the men. This is the stage not my bedroom. I sing my songs for everyone. A man might be excited by me, just as well as a woman...
---
And this articleis answer to your media question as well. They don't like him because he shows a different picture of Turkish men. Turkish men like to pretend to be invincible, strong and macho (like Ibrahim Tatlises). And this a picture of a thousand years and now Tarkan brought in another type of male picture: the sensitive, the "femalish", who can dance ina  sexy way (which is not at all accepted in Turkey, men should dance in a manly way and shouldn't sway their hips and do belly dancing which tarkan does ON STAGE -- Love Provocateur -- "Raise Your Arms" section)
When I said he desn't have such a relationship with the media as others I didn't mean he doesn't need promotion or advertisements. Of course he also has ads and tv promotions and the kind of stuff an artist needs to promote their work. What Tarkan doesn't do is he doesn't want to flatter the media and doesn't curry favour with them, as other celebs do in Turkey. The media in Turkey hasn't yet realised that the mud throwing they have been doing ever since this revolutionary-behaving guy appeared on stage in ripped jeans and earrings and started swaying his hips in "a shameful way", so this mud throwing has not broken Tarkan's career, however they intended to bring him down with the rumours he always stood up and became ever more famous than before. 
Why is he famous? There was an article in Turkey last year after his bomb tour, trying to find out his "secret". http://www.ohbee.net/?page=contents.php&id=483
The title is: The Only Star of the Last 10 years
I try to summerize the article and hereby I ask the Turkish fellow editors to check my translation so that random Elizabeth wouldn't think I am intentiously mistranslating things...
The article tries to find out what the reasons are behind the fact that despite his silence Tarkan has been the only real star in Turkey for 10 years now and he continues to do so.
It states that despite the fact that
despite the facts that
1. Dudu was not successful enough (it sold "only" 1 million copies compared to Ölürüm Sana's 4 million - note: most Turkish albums don't even reach a number higher than 100.000 copies....)
2. for 4 years he did not publish a full album
3. he mostly lives in america
4. you can hardly ever see him on TV
5. for years he haven't given a proper interview
but still he has been number 1. since 1994
They say he has "something" the other singers (who might have a better voice or better songs) don't have. This "something" can be called charisma, aura or stardust but it is true that no one in Turkey has this "thing" in him but Tarkan. They say despite all the silence Tarkan proved with the avea concerts that nobody else can do what he can: just in Istanbul more than 30 thousand people were crying and screaming for him, making traffic impossible around the stadium. Tarkan proved that no matter what, he is and will be Turkey's only megastar. No matter the scandals (the "I have to pee" scandal, the naked photos, the army scandal) he never lost his popularity for a single moment. And in the meantime the yound long haired boy wearing a leather jacket grown into a musculine sexy but still modest man.
The article finishes like that: Like it or not, Tarkan is Turkey's most popular singer ever.
--
I hope this answers your questions, Elizabeth --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 09:51, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can't we PLEASE stop this absolutely pointless quarrell? No need to drag this further! I told my opinion and you all told yours. If Elizabeth wants to know more she should search and not ask me to get other info to her. I think i have done enough now. Elizabeth, if you are relaly interested, type Tarkan into google and look for yourself. talk to Turkish people and see for yourself why he is THE superstar in Turkey and no one else. You don't have to believe me, ask Turkish people then. Ask them why Tarkan is the only megastar in Turkey. WHO CASRES WHY he became like that?! He IS the number 1 and that's a FACT. Look up any statistics of album sellings and concert ticket sellings in Turkey. NOT ONE Turkish artist has ever given a concert to 40.000 people on one single night but Tarkan! And that tells everything. OK, that Robbie Williams can do the same. or britney can do the same, but if you look at their countries a 100 more artists can do the same! But in Turkey, tarkan is the only one who can bring 40.000 people together for a single concert. You cannot get so high by manipulating the media. The media cannot fool everyone with their tricks. tarkan makes good music, has an exceptional charisma and he was the first real artist in his category. He causes hysteria wherever he goes in turkey. people copy his dressing style and hairstyle. you want to know why? ask the Turks! I really can't say more! --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 16:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles

message: Tarkan is hot! I want him so bad. I think he's one of the most handsome Turkish music artists that anyone could think of at the moment.
haha ... um, yeah he is really hot. Made me laugh. I had the same reaction! 66.248.96.12 16:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tarkan is hot !!! 

message: "Tarkan in Vienna with Hungarian fans". Austrian fans?
No, HUNGARİAN fans because altough he gave a concert in Vienna, he was with Hungarian fans on the photos, I know cuz I was there. It was a special meet and greet exclusively arranged for the Hungarian fans who travelled all the way to Vienna just to see him. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 15:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  however, unlikely 

message: Is it ok to add external links to fan sites? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bashari (talk • contribs) 23:18, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan sites? 

message: I believe that you are editing the biography of the living music artist Tarkan with good intent, but I have to point out to you a few things. Ask yourself first, what are you trying to achieve with your edits? Your goal should be to make the page better, and not a version of what you think about the celebrity in question. With your actions, are you making a positive contribution?
* Though verifiability is an important factor in editing, you keep mentioning "source" as though it is acceptable to write anything you want as long as you can cite a source to it. That's just not so. Important points to consider to make a good wikipedia page is 
**Content and style, including grammar and headlines: For example, currently you're mixing up the information and making it less easy to read, with disjointed paragraphs. Your first edits were even worse, they were too long and wordy, and instead of reading like a bio article, read like a fan website. What's more it contained something known as "original research" refering to unpublished facts and statements, making it sound like a "novel narrative" rather than a simple bio. The page isn't to make Tarkan look good to bad, just to give basic information about him.
In my opinion the only thing missing from the article that needs necessary inclusion is one thing that no one has done yet, that is Tarkan's effect and influence on Europop and abroad. Something that one editor tried to do by adding the international fame part, which you refuse to even accept simply because you see it as rivalry to your edits that have been filled with uneccessary details, which leads to point number 2:
**Relevance: Just because the page is about Tarkan, this doesn't mean you have to put in every single piece of information you know about him - true or not. An article isn't meant to be exhaustive, just comprehensive enough to find out who Tarkan is. Adding speculation and rumour lowers the tone of the article, and can lead to confusion.
**Objectivity: There has to be a neutral point of view and this is a fundamental Wikipedia principle, representing fairly and without bias all significant views (that have been published by reliable sources). You seem to present Tarkan's life and career as you see it to be, and with facts that interest you : e.g. what other Turkish artists have said about him, internet rumours, homosexuality (one issue that Tarkan himself denies - and as he is still alive we have to respect his wishes).
If a page has been there for a long time, and accepted, it's not a good idea to come along as a new editor and start changing things drastically. Does the Tarkan page really need the drastic changes you are trying to make to it? Don't try and act like the sole authority on a subject. Learn as well as inform. Begin with small edits on other pages, and build up your rep - so everyone can see your work has quality and rep.
It does no good to start an edit war over an artist's page, there are plenty of those here already. 82.145.231.51 22:43, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  To [[User:Abcdefgy]] 

message: how tall is tarkan ?? :D:D:D:D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cludi13 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Tarkan is around 173 cms, as he himself said in an interview. He is certainly shorther than me as i could see when we met, and I'm 175 cms. --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 10:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  how tall is tarkan? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Simarik.jpg

message: The article becme a Featured Article in the Hungarian wikipedia :hu:Tarkan :) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 11:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA in Huwiki 

message: Hello everyone, I'd be grateful if you could help me finding references to more awards... I searched through the web using turkish keywords like Tarkan+ödül or Tarkan+Kral TV+ödül and others, but I couldn't find much. I am pretty sure he had won a LOT of awards in Turkey... I know he won the Kral TV several times, but couldn't find any references, the Kral TV website is simply .... sh*t. Could you help me? Thanks in advance --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 08:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The search term [Tarkan ödülü OR ödülünü OR ödülleri] turns up several awards not mentioned in the article. I've not looked at how reliable these sources are.  --Lambiam 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  awards - help 

message: I suggest incorporating the information in section Setbacks into the relevant sections. I don't see why they need a separate section... The Gotta pee event can be merged with his aacayipsin period, the mp3 leak with come closer etc etc etc. It totally disrupts the reader from the otherwise timeline-like story that we cut negative events out and put them into a separate place. I propose merging - and also, I would divide his career into periods. All the major events can be connected to one of his albums:
* Beginning 
* Sezen Aksu - period (1994 - 1998)
* International breakthrough
* Karma
* Dudu
* Coming closer
* Current events
What do you think? --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 14:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No one? If no one will reply to this, I will do the changes, won't wait months till someone pops in here :)) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 17:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing change 

message: As I copyedit this article, I'll leave some questions and suggestions here.
* Noted for his live stage performances… in the lead. How about an adjective (energetic? emotional?) before "live"?
* There are a lot of extended quotations in the article; I much prefer to see these worked into the text of the article itself, rather than set apart in boxes or in big quotation marks. They make the article feel disjointed and messy.
* Tarkan's debut provoked mingled feelings among the Turks. When I read this sentence, I expect to see both positive and negative comments in the following sentences. This isn't really what we get, however.
* Before his death, Ertegün had been preparing Tarkan for an American career… Please provide the year of Ertegün's death.
* Please note that album titles should be italicized, while song titles belong in "quotation marks".
* Four of the photos appear to be from the same event in Vienna in 2006. This looks repetitive and odd; I'd remove at least two of them. If there no other images which can be used, I'd suggest not having images in these spots.
* In July 1997, the hit song "Şımarık" was released in Turkey from the album Ölürüm Sana (I'd Die For You). This album took a total of three years to complete. It's better to discuss albums chronologically: Describe the creation process, then indicate when it was released. This is easier for the reader to follow.
* I removed the bit about how his perfume line was a New Year's gift. If this is something he said, it should be in quotes with a citation. Otherwise, it's a kind of original research.
* It's my understanding that weblogs are generally not considered reliable sources. You might wish to find other sources instead of tarkandeluxe.blogspot.com.
More to come. That's all I have. I believe the article could be made more comprehensive by analyzing more closely reviews of his albums and critical responses to his work. You might also wish to discuss some of the historical and social background which predated his rise to stardom. Good luck with the article, please let me know if you have questions. – Scartol • Tok 17:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you Scartol, i will try to expand it according to your suggestions. Tarkan deluxe is a weblog yes, but it works like a website, just the host is a blog. The person who writes it is sort of an expert of Tarkan things, - and it's not only his writings that are put to reference, he is doing translations from Turkish newspapers. I decided to include these instead of the respective original newspaper articles as they rae more understandable for the english reader, and they are properly translated. The blog owner is a barrister in England, and he is careful to give credits to his translations, always giving the original source as well. If you browse through the blog you'll see the quality of the works. besides, the artciles he had written on tarkan are fully referenced with respective Turkish sources, and again, it is easier for everyone to read english sources than to figue out Turkish-written newspaper articles. It's difficult to find english sources for tarkan and that's exactly the reason why ali yildirim created tarkandeluxe, to provide reliable, neutral and proper translations / news on the singer. Hope this explains to everyone why we selected his blog as a major source? --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 20:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that helps clarify things. Cheers. – Scartol • Tok 12:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions and suggestions from Scartol 

message: Removed the sentences suggestion that his name is of Hebrew origin and that his family was a Sabbatian... Can you please provide a reference that it is SURELY derived from this Hebrew name? Because I have read a lot of sources on Tarkan and none of them EVER mentions it. It might also be only a coincidence, it is highly unlikely that the Muslim Tevetoglu family, originating from Rize would have a Hebrew name, especially that surnames became obligatory only in 1938, and before that everyone was only identified by their first names and the father's first name (Yusuf, Mustafa's son). To say that his name comes from Hebrew just because it has the same form of writing, is ridiculous. I can give you the example of the word we write with the letters "HAT", which is a form of headgear in English but means "six" in hungarian. Now would we say they are in relation? No way. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teemeah (talk • contribs) 17:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hebrew "Tevet" 

message: * Wikifying style of sub titles - not all capitals.
* It is not Yıldız Oğlusu but Olgusu so it is not Starchild. I checked Ali Yildirim's and it says Olgusu and so does Tulumba see here - so I gave it the translation Mr Yildirim gave it.  
* Notable works means listing only SOME, but all are listed here nearly, so took that out.
* Again the external links are not as to a wiki style. I checked through the history and the old way was more correct. Putting forums are not acceptable, and something which has no proof of it being official yet. Otherwise it is too much like self-promotion. Because of the unique nature of Mr Yildirim's blogs - and I have to admit after checking them they took my breath away - they should stay for further reading.
* One final thing I haven't done, but seems necessary is more musical emphasis on the albums.
Deff6 05:19, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Notable works -- it was just his albums, he has tons of more recordings if you check the discography page out. :) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi 21:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did say nearly :) - the list still isn't selective enough to be notable. I mean I haven't heard his very first album, but from what I've read it is far from notable. Deff6 09:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  It sold 700 000 copies. That's "pretty" notable I guess, considering that most Turkish artists don't sell more than 100-200 thousand copies a year... :) --Timish ¤ Gül Bahçesi 08:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes (pt 2) 

message: IP keeps adding the Farsi name into the intro. I will ask for a range block if this continues. It's simply vandalism. Tarkan is not Persion, or Arab or anything, including his name in arabic transcript is as irrelevant as the cyrillic transcript of his name would be. Or the Chinese, for that matter. 小龙 (Timish) #   xiǎolóng de xìnxiāng  21:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farsi name 

message: The drugs found in his home are alleged. Does it really have a place in this entry? Also do they really need to have the last part in his personal life? I think not.
217.131.194.152 (talk) 08:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: My concern isn't so much as to whether or not it belongs, but whether the source used (a blogspot page) is reliable.  If true, it would be much better if someone fluent in Turkish confirmed the item from the original newspaper entries.  78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 02:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Raid 

message: We have a problem here. Links to translated articles on this site, http://tarkantr.blogspot.com/, are copyright violations: the copyright belongs with the author/publication of the original articles, not the translator. See WP:LINKVIO. This means that all of them have to be removed. Wherever possible I will leave as much of the reference as possible, so the bibliographical information will not be completely lost, but the links have to go. I encourage editors to supply URLs for the original publications, many of which seem to be reliable articles from Hurriyet etc. Drmies (talk) 23:27, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copy right violations 

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