Talk:Fullmetal Alchemist/Archive 3

message: "As there was a limited amount of manga material available to adapt at the time of production, the storyline of the anime diverges from that of the manga around the middle of the series. The anime's later story and conclusion by BONES is different from that of the manga."
I'm not quite sure on the procedure of how to handle this kind of thing, but I do know that there are very significant plot-related differences between the anime and manga. So much so that I think they can be considered completely separate continuities. I guess it doesn't matter if the article doesn't delve too far into each's plot; otherwise, might it be necessary to split this article into anime and manga versions?
On a completely separate note, this reminds me of what happened between the Hellsing anime and manga. ^_^ Axem Titanium 02:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I definitely think that you should discuss a little bit of how they're different, when they become different, and why. Because when I first found out about FMA is was REALLY confused as to why the anime was finished and the manga was still running and the manga came first! So I went to wikipedia and the article didn't tell me anything either. 68.171.240.254 00:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime and Manga differences

message: Speaking of The Divine Comedy... what about the theme of Science vs. Religion? It's littered throughout the series, and I'm surprised a theology nut hasn't written an essay about it yet on here. I haven't because I'm not a theology nut... KawasakiNinja 16:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shh! Don't give them ideas! Besides, I'm not sure what you would say, especially since alchemy can be interpeted religiously as well. --tjstrf 03:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's part of it. What's religion other than a faith? What's science other than a faith in what we're told? I'm not going to get into it, but there is a lot that can be said. I'd start something, but I'd be liable of completely screwing up the religious side of the arguement. KawasakiNinja 10:33, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to start an argument, but science and theology must be essentially the same - they both deal with the fundamental question of "what is" - hence, true science and true theology will always agree completely. (e.g. creationism v. evolution - the world cannot be created BOTH by million-year evolution AND by 7-day creationism; one or the other must be correct, and true science and true religion (both reflecting reality) will necessarily come to the same conclusion on the issue.)  It would be nice to see it discussed in the article, though.  (I'm afraid I'm not a "regular" watcher of FMA, or I'd write one.) --Tim4christ17 13:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Science primarily asks how, theology asks why, art asks who.  Science and theology are very different.  24.11.29.31 04:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme: Science vs. Religion 

message: Using transmutation circles on his gloves, he can create flames with a snap of his fingers.
Doesn't he create flames because his gloves have a flint in them, so when he snaps his fingers, they rub together. The circle just lets him control it? - discofever 23:26, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the episode where Full Metal and Roy Mustang have their mock battle, they explain how his gloves work.  They are special gloves that allow a SPARK to happen upon snapping his fingers.  He then uses the transmutation circle on his gloves in order to basically make a big fireball out of said spark.  In a later episode, his gloves get wet, but using a match to make a spark he is able to then make a big fireball out of that anyway. The mk 555 09:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh...Oh, how I love to answer this question when it comes up!!! Spark cloth, which is what his gloves are made out of (also called ignition cloth), with an array tattooed into it. The transmutation circle allows him to alter the air around him to create a small fire, or a huge explosion, or a big fireball, by changing the oxygen content in the air. And, mk 555, you are right, the match still allows him to create his fire, because the match touches the cloth, though wet, and activates the array.Aeris of Iniquity 01:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like a visual aid you can find a picture of one of Roy Mustang’s gloves on under his entry on the page State Military characters of Fullmetal Alchemist. TomStar81 02:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't quite like the explanation about the ability, it's kind of misleading. The array on his glove allows him to change the air around, true. The gloves can then be used to cause a spark. Following chemical properties of combustion, the more (or less) oxygen is in the area, the bigger (or smaller) the resultant 'boom'. The fireballs/explosions aren't 'created' by alchemy, but are a 'result' of the alchemy affecting the air. If no one has objections, I'm going to change it. Gwendolyr 01:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Roy Mustang

message: The article states that "Fullmetal Alchemist takes place in an alternate-historical setting in which the use of alchemy is relatively commonplace," but multiple refrences to Christianity as an ancient religion that has not been practiced for centuries appear in the English Anime (Human Transmutation is one of them).  Doesn't this mean that the show takes place in the distant future?  --NoPetrol 08:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems more likely than not that Dante and/or Hoheinheim destroyed Christianity within Amestris. It goes along with the creation of the fascist military state. As far as dates, the presence of a Church above ground in Central (the gateway into the buried city) shows that Christianity must have persisted well past the 15th century. The comments about Christianity may also only apply to Amestris. 69.144.103.34 09:23, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting 

message: I was just wondering when the FullMetal movie will be released in US.  --User:Kniaz
:Dunno. Wasn't very good IMO. --maru  (talk) contribs 00:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release of the movie in US 

message: Hi, this is specifically at User:69.6.129.72 but could apply to other anonymous IPs: could you please explain your rationale for constantly changing release dates to dates that aren't included in the given official site? — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 19:39, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... where did you buy them? (can you show elsewhere on the web that they were released earlier than the official site states?) — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 01:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It looks like Barnes and Noble is selling them. If you must, say that they've been released by certain vendors (and link to them), but not by Viz officially. — Edward Z. Yang(Talk) 21:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release dates 

message: At different times, I've noticed different things on top of the Gate of Alchemy.  For example, when Hohenheim goes through to our world, the camera pans to a shot of a group of hands reaching for something.  When Ed goes through, it looks like a group of people sitting around a table.  Are the objects that appear on top of the Gate significant at all?  Just wondering. - Krin 00:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the people that were "reaching for something" when Hohenheim went through the gate were holding a child up in the air, echoing the way that Dante sent him to the gate in the first place.  I'm not sure about any of the other Gate scenes, though. --Wikivader 14:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gate of Alchemy 

message: This sentence from List of shapeshifters is a bit incoherent; can someone familiar with the series rewrite it accurately and coherently?
:Envy from the anime series Fullmetal Alchemist was a failed transmutation, and became a monster who could change form in any way he desired. He is mostly depicted as turning into other humans that he has met before, and for his acknowledgement that he created the form he is mostly seen in. 
--Jim Henry 16:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Using 'he' as a generic pronoun for unspecified/unknown/without-gendered beings (isn't that a cumbersome way to put it) is a generally accepted practice. --TangentCube 15:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  description of Envy  

message: People keep adding to Gate of Alchemy in the Terminology section, revealing that the other side of the gate is "our world" during World War I.  Since this isn't known until episode 49 (out of 51), I don't think it's appropriate to mention it on this page. I know there's a spoiler warning, but we've purposely kept many of the homunculi off this page to avoid major spoilers, so I think this information should be removed as well.  However, since I've already removed it once only to see it added by someone else, I think we need to discuss it. --Wikivader 14:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is a nessecity to bring this up then it should be, but currently there is no point in giving this spoiler. The wiki page is more of a synopsis of the series than an informational page (imo). Personally I'd like to see more talks on philosophy and theme on various animes and non-anime shows/movies, but even that isn't very wiki-like. In the end I suppose I don't know what exactly I'd like to see on the wiki... KawasakiNinja 05:58, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unnecessary Spoilers? 

message: I can't believe no one has properly mentioned these yet! What about those OVAs of the show that were released in Japan. There is that interactive episode, Alchemists Vs. Homunculi; the chibi parody that takes place after the movie; that one in the future where Ed is 100; and a fourth weird one which is live action has a not-so-much moving Al standing in the middle of city. Should they be mentioned. -- Evilgidgit 11:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Those extra OVAs... 

message: I've noticed that the Manga section is becoming more and more "wordy." With the addition of more and more sentences added onto the opening paragraph of that section, the said section is becoming more of an eyesore than a source of information. Much of the information at the bottom doesn't seem to have a connection to the previous material. Also, media release information from what seems like random countries is making its way on. Perhaps this information should be moved to the blue info box or to a separate page, as it seems awkward to move from discussing the English and Japanese (original language) releases, to next talking about companies and release dates in Singapore and Poland. This information seems awkward and excessive for the main English language page, and I feel like it should either go somewhere else in the article, or be moved to another FMA article. Does anyone else have any thoughts before I try to change anything? (Ctu2485 23:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manga Release Information 

message: hohenheim told elric that people use gas to kill people in the "real world" and it's an obvious reference to world war 2, is it not?
but the year is supposed to be 1921 so that has yet to happen, right?
sorry if you've already covered this or if i've missed something
--anon
:No. World War I. See Poison gas in World War I. --maru   (talk)  contribs 13:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  gas? 

message: I think we need seperate pages for characters such as Edward Elric, anybody else agree?  A series with only 26 episodes, 2 movies, even has its characters with their own pages.  I think I'm going to move Edward Elric to make him his own page.
:Good call. The manga hasn't even finished yet, you could clearly expand the sections far more than they are now. (Wait, why am I even here? I haven't edited anything FMA related for months.) --tjstrf 12:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seperate character pages 

message: To whoever edited the information about the opening prologues, is there documentation somewhere that Al's Seiyuu did the final prologue in the Japanese dub? Because it always sounded like Romi Paku to me! Her voice is pitched a little higher than it is when she usually voices Ed, but it definitely does not sound like Al. I could be wrong of course. Grianne 04:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening prologues

message: I just watched an awesome video on YouTube, click here to see a Tribute to Alphonse Elric. --Yancyfry jr
:Please don't link to copyright violations. -- TangentCube -c 06:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphonse 

message: Is there any particular reason why the title is translated on this page as "Alchemist of Forged Steel"?  Hagane simply means "steel" , and forging just refers to the process of converting high-carbon pig iron to steel/wrought iron, or shaping it with heat.  I changed it earlier, and it's been changed back, so I thought I'd point that out. -- HKMARKS 05:50, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd heard somewhere that Arakawa specifically wanted 'hagane' translated to 'fullmetal', which I would guess was to evoke a different meaning than simply 'steel'; however, I can't think of (or find) a source to corroborate this, so... -- TangentCube -c 06:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That still doesn't really explain it.  Fullmetal comes from full metal jacket bullets and Full Metal Jacket the movie, and it has nothing to do with forging steel.  It just sounds cool... and perhaps she wanted to express that he could control more metals than just steel, or was "fully" made of metal (for the joke of Alphonse being mistaken for the Fullmetal Alchemist).  I guess.  "alchemist of forged steel" has only 5 (14) Google results and every one of them is ripped from this page.  "alchemist of steel" has over 1000. - HKMARKS 06:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Forged" Steel? 

message: What kind of site can make it into a "fan site" listing? I'm all for a small list of sites, but I feel it's way too easy, and unnoticeable, if some Joe walks up and adds his Yahoo! GeoCities site that contains screenshots and three sentences of information. What can go on the list and what cannot? I don't believe any of us wants a list of sites like that. JDCAce 07:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I guess that's for us to decide ourselves.  I don't see any guidelines for it.  Obviously, a Geocities site with two screenshots and a few words isn't good enough.  If it has a decent amount of information beyond what's already written in the article or on other linked fansites, then it's a good site to list.  I guess that's what's important, really -- the site should have something to add. There's no reason to link to a fansite that only consists of the same information that's on another fansite that we already linked to. Wikipedia is for providing information, not advertising Joe's webpage :-) --Wikivader 02:52, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Sites 

message: I gotta type on an onscreen keyboard (terribly hard), so I'll make it short:article vandalised: me suck at editing, me erased parts someone fixy please. Done by some douche by the name of "Ryodin".EAB 01:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. —TangentCube /c /t  02:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

text: And, in the future, if you see something like this, you can revert the changes fairly easily.  Just remember to get a good version. —TangentCube /c /t  02:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm a newb, thanksEAB 22:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism