Talk:Æon Flux (film)

message: "Reception to some aspects of the film appears to vary depending on how well (if at all) the critic is familiar with the TV series. A number of critics, for example, cast scorn on the character of Sithandra who is shown to be a woman who has replaced her feet with a second set of hands, even though this character actually appeared in the original TV series."
I don't know what point the author of this paragraph was trying to make. Is it being suggested that if the critic was familiar with the TV series, then this character would not be the object of scorn? Is there any reason to believe that? Can someone clean this up?
213.168.230.149 23:52, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who wrote it. I think it's fine as it stands. The fact is people familiar with the character of Sithandra from the TV show were familiar with her -- the fact she had hands for feet. Critics unfamiliar with the show said it was something stupid the scriptwriter came up with in a case of "weird for the sake of weird". Just look at Rotten Tomatoes or any number of Sci-Fi BBSes and you'll see this. I am reverting the deletion for now as I would like to see other people's comments by way of consensus on this. 23skidoo 01:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just want to mention that I am not against the content of the paragraph, just that its wording is not easy to follow. With a sentence of the form "A even though B" it is suggested that A is surprising, or unlikely given B. Yet critics disliking the character and the character being in the tv series do not seem to be related in this way. Keithmahoney 21:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't notice this paragraph until now, I have to say I agree with Keithmahoney - the way it's written implies that if a critic was familiar with the TV show, he'd like it, and if not, than he would be against it. Not to mention I only remember reading a single review that mentioned the hands/feet/racism thing. Considering that at Rotten Tomatoes, it has a dismal 10% approval rating (only 8 positive out of 78 total reviews!) and that there were at least a few reviewers who mentioned being fans of the original series but hating the movie - I'd venture to say there's little to no relation of fandom/positive reception. Fans and non-fans of AF (the series) overall didn't like the movie, I would guess, though it's hard to prove officially outside of a general statement. The whole paragraph should be deleted. --SevereTireDamage 21:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This paragraph makes no sense

message: I'm just back from seeing the film and I thought it was much better than I expected. There were some fundimental changes, yes, but at the same time it still felt like Æon Flux. I've seen one negative review criticizing the character with hands for feet -- obviously the reviewer is unaware that character appears in the TV series. So who wants to start off the comparison section? I think there were a number of clear references to the TV series, from the opening shot to the closing shot of the film. 23skidoo 01:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the best way to approach it. Once you get past the physical differences between Theron and the original character (I still say Tricia Helfer would have been a better choice), it really isn't that far removed from the series. Yes, there are a few major changes (I won't spoil them here) ... but at the same time check out the ending of the episode "Chronophasia". I went into the movie yesterday expecting a train wreck and IMO it was far from it. I was quite surprised (pleasantly so) at how Goodchild was handled. Of course the movie will bomb because of advance word of mouth and the fact no one knows what Aeon Flux is (as evidenced by some of the statements made by reviewers that evidenced they'd never seen the show), but I for one think it could have been much worse. 23skidoo 19:36, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is one way to explain it (Aeon's deaths and returns), and another comes from the character's name itself.  On the page dedicated to the animated series, I pointed out the naming pun convention common in anime - and the cartoon version has been called "American anime."  An (A)eon is a very long period of time, Flux means change, and therefore Aeon Flux means "Eternal Change". --Bear Eagleson 14:46, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also had the impression that in the movie world, Æon was only cloned twice.  Once from Katherine to Æon Flux, then a second time (400 years later) as Æon Flux.  The Keeper's line, and Oren's order to destroy Æon Flux's DNA, is what lead me to this impression.  --Bear Eagleson 15:21, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparing to the TV series

message: Are you considering this the low point because a woman having hands for feet is ridiculous looking or pointlessly "cutting edge", or because it is a BLACK woman with hands for feet?  Somehow I don't think this would be such an issue with a white woman or man.  Seems overly reactionary to me, and worse yet, unnecessarily PC.  -Anon.  18:27, 5/12/05
* Not to mention that it's actually a reference to the TV series. I've deleted the statement as POV. 68.104.201.53 06:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the TV version of Sithandra was so augmented and exotic looking that one cannot really say  with 100% certainty that the character was caucasian. I agree that sometimes characters seem to undergo a "race change" just to be PC, but I don't really think it matters that much with Sithandra since she was relatively minor and it gave the filmmakers a chance to get a second Oscar-nominated actress to appear in the film (actually it might be a third as I think Frances McDormond also was nominated once). 23skidoo 14:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've seen critics harping about Sithandra's feet in a few places, so I've put in a paragraph under criticism -- adding the fact that the character is from the TV series. 23skidoo 14:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a shame no-one involved in the movie payed close attention to the pronunciation of the original character's name: SKuh-Fan-druh.  Emphasis on the K-sound.  First time I read "Sithandra," I thought, "who?"  Guessing on spelling her, and I feel Scafandra is an intimidating name (good for a double agent), whereas the soft syllables of the movie character made me think "what the hell?" --Bear Eagleson 05:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took Sithandra to be a character inspired by Scaphandra. Aside from the feet, the characters have different names and appearances. And Sithandra doesn't have that weird grappling-dart-launcher implanted in her tongue. :) --Xastic 00:26, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I need to check the DVD again, but I believe that the character is referred to by the name Sithandra in the TV series credits (maybe Poirer misspoke the name when she recorded the dialogue). Too bad the tongue didn't make it into the movie. 23skidoo 04:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Too bad the series didn't make it into the movie. ;) -Xastic 12:48, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to review the credits on the 1st disk of the DVD set, and unfortunately, I somehow didn't see a reference to either "Scafandra" or "Sithandra".  On the Deviant Devices of AEon Flux segment on the special features, Poirer once again pronounces it as "SKuh-Fan-druh" when talking about all the augmentations. --Bear Eagleson 15:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Low Point?

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One problem I had before I even saw the movie, was that in the previews - and indeed in the movie - the Breen council chamber looked a lot like the Jedi Temple, albiet with more colorful - comfortable - chairs.
Compounding this is the (unnamed) Breen council member who looks - and acts - a lot like Mace Windu. --Bear Eagleson 14:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree.  I found no apparent similarities within the film.  However, and this may just be me, whenever they showed the telepathic scenes, bathed in white light, I instantly flashbacked to one of the Planet of the Apes movies.  Am I weird? --Viriditas 14:45, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  It reminded me more of the council chamber in The Prisoner, myself. I too saw no similarlity with Star Wars; the Jedi Council was hardly an original concept, either. It didn't have a POTA vibe for me. 23skidoo 14:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen all the POTA films?  I'm referring to the interaction between the mutants and others, either apes, humans or both.  For some reason, whenever Æon Flux interacted with the Handler, I thought of that scene with the mutants.  I believe in both instances, the background set was white, and both had a balcony, IIRC.  --Viriditas 14:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, check this out!  . Looks like I was right!  The subway stage did have a balcony.  I wonder if they were paying homage to POTA (Beneath the Planet of the Apes)? --Viriditas 15:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not convinced. The set shown for Beneath was built for My Fair Lady so its architecture isn't exactly unique. I've seen Beneath and I still don't get the connection. 23skidoo 15:25, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, well.  It was fun to think about.  If I remember correctly, I thought of it because the Handler was at the top of the balcony communicating telepathically (or however you want to describe it--neuronetically?) with Æon Flux in the same manner as the mutants at the top of the balcony in BTPOTA who tortured Brent. --Viriditas 15:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

text: It looks like the set for Beneath the Planet of the Apes was built for Hello, Dolly! (film), and the resemblance between the scene in Beneath and this film is uncanny. —Viriditas | Talk 09:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breen Jedi Council 

message: Fans of the film will point out the exquisite taste and truly impressive real-world buildings and settings used in the film, and the delicious minimalist nature of the artificial environment.
This is a very well written article, but I got to this sentence under the "Criticism" section, and I must say this sounds extremely biased. Are all these colourful descriptives praising the look of the film necessary? Sure it reads well, but it almost sounds like a flat-out promotion for the movie. Who's with me?
: That's way too POV. I'll delete it. 23skidoo 18:52, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Flag 

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message: "Despite the conflicting statements made by Chung in later interviews, this is not necessarily an outright lie, it merely indicates that Chung had rightly envisioned that the film would be a disappointment."
       - This is original research or plain idiocy. I can't decide which. Madskile (talk) 06:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fanboyism 

message: When Æon is sent on a mission to kill the government's leader, Trevor Goodchild (Marton Csokas), she discovers that she is unwittingly playing a part in a secret coup.
One cannot discover that one is "unwittingly" participating in a coup when one has been assigned the task of killing the head of the government; that would be like discovering you've "unwittingly" committed armed robbery after holding up a bank using a gun.
However... I haven't seen the movie, so I can't make the assumption that the above passage is just a clumsy sentence.  It's entirely possible that the film actually portrays her as being that obtuse, in which case the passage is perfectly fine; otherwise, it could use some copyediting.  JFMorse (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

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