Talk:Maurice Duplessis

message: Sorry, but I have to call POV on those swipes at Duplessis' "left-wing" opponents and on the interpretation of his financial situation as being symbolic of his devout Christianity.  If you can find reputable sources that indicate that most of Duplessis' opponents are "left-wing" and that suggest that his poverty was because of his charity, then they should be cited with the claims. Geoff NoNick 19:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually an OK article (not great, but all right) once you remove the two blatantly POV passages. What's missing is a political analysis: he was a canny, crafty politician, machiavellian even. And he was an intellectual with populist roots. A fascinating character, even if a little evil. Vincent 06:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There is a bias in emphasis in the introduction. I flagged it with two "citation needed" flags, as a starting point. Guillaume Majeau-Bettez (talk)
Is it just me, or is this passage a little POV?:
"The Duplessis period is known as "the Dark Ages" in Quebec history. His regime was infamous for corruption and incestuous ties with the Roman Catholic Church and big business. Duplessis was the master of vote-fixing. Legend has it that Union Nationale troops would arrive in rural towns armed with whiskey, food and appliances in exchange for votes.
"Days before the election of 1960, the chief organizer for the Union Nationale was arrested for fraud when 4,000 fake voters' slips were found inside a train station locker. UN leader Daniel Johnson denied the charges saying it was a Liberal frame-up. Jean Lesage responded by saying corruption, blackmail and political immorality were trademarks of the Union Nationale from the Maurice Duplessis days"
I don't know how to put that "POV Banner" on the front page of the article, otherwise I would do that as well.
72.84.1.200 (talk) 02:00, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: Quebecers more or less did what Duplessis & the church dictated, or faced repression. I studied Canadian history, and wrote aplenty on Quebec as it was prior to the Quiet Revolution and I know for a fact that Quebecers in the early to mid 20th century had, in majority, no real freedom of thought under the Duplessis regime, and were kept in almost complete illiteracy so that they wouldn't really seek thought or ask questions. Duplessis made them believe what was convenient, and told them they were going to hell (Literally, go burn in a place ruled by the devil after they had died) if they didn't believe him. And then, those people went to church, and the clergy told them that if they didn't believe (and vote for) Duplessis, they would INDEED be denied heaven, and go to hell. And the people believed that, and feared it to the point of doing absolutely anything. So whether or not they actually opposed or supported anything or simply parroted the Duplessist view out of fear is pretty much up to debate. I've deleted that portion of the sentence because I feel that the opposition is questionable.
It was convenient for Duplessis that no Quebecers go to war because it would have resulted in casualties, which would have diminished Quebec's population/workforce. One of Duplessis' policies was "encouraging", via threats of damnation, women to reproduce until they couldn't anymore, so that the province's population would grow. More people meant more believers and more workers. There's been theories about a Duplessis Quebec/Axis connection or sympathy, but it is far-fetched and too "machiavellan", as one person said, even for Duplessis.
It was all about obeying the Ten Commandments of God & the Six Commandments of His Church, and living your life following the 7 Heavenly Virtues while evading the 7 Deadly Sins if you were a Quebecer in Duplessis' time. Law was that way, life was that way. You  would have to explain yourself to your priest if you were obese because it was a sign of Gluttony, and some people were expelled from the church and from their town for it. People look at Islamic countries today with their laws based on the Qu'ran, and do not know that there was a Roman-Catholic state just like that within Canada less than 50 years ago. 
It's a very little known part of history because it happened prior to the explosion of communications, and did not involve the international community. It didn't help matters any at all that nobody really cared and had much bigger fish to fry in Europe. Duplessis came into office "democratically" (Via threats of damnation and strong-arm tactics) and stayed in there "democratically" for 20 years, minus a couple of years during the war when he more or less got himself out of office (by calling an early election and letting the folks vote freely, which they did and resulted in a lost for him.) to let the Quebecers go to war without losing face. Then he got back into his office via the usual methods and remained there until he died. Then the whole regime collapsed.
In my opinion, my point of view I guess, he was more or less the very dangerous hybrid of a dictator and a cult leader, and there's more to him than we know, probably more than we'll ever know. His character would be worth studying, but good luck if you try actually digging in his life and regime. I tried. You see, Quebec today isn't the Quebec of then, it's a modern society, a secular democracy, and the people in charge, sometimes in the late 70's, decided that Duplessis was better off being forgotten altogether. So, his name & regime dissapeared from history courses in Quebec, and quite a few archive documents were "misplaced" as well. The time's newspapers are worthless in research, it's all about praise and preaching in there. Today, you're looking at the odd "Duplessis Orphan" survivor (A frightening concept that I suspect would probably embarass Quebec and the church very much should somebody find out what the whole deal was.) telling his story which is almost too horrible to believe and at 1960's revolutionaries writings, which there aren't many for the simple fact that most Quebecers couldn't write, if you want to get an idea.
Duplessis is one of those things where the line between Documented Fact and Original Research can be very blurry sometimes, because the facts are not unearthed yet.
Sorry for being rather lenghty here, I hope this can help improve the article. 67.68.57.181 07:58, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a general anti-conscription feeling among the French-speaking population in Quebec all along the 20th century. For instance, there were major anti-conscription riots during WWII in Montreal, and the city's elected mayor Camilien Houde was jailed from 1939 to 1944 in a secret detention camp in Petawawa (and later in Fredericton). When Houde was finally freed in late 1944, he was greeted by a crowd of tens of thousands in Montreal, and was promptly reelected. He was Montreal's mayor again from 1944 to 1954. Hugo Dufort (talk) 18:58, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebecers' Opposition To Conscription & Canadian Involvment In World War II, Duplessis Tidbits 

message: Thanks for gaming the system to insert your propaganda term in the article. Would you like to justify its inclusion? Provide examples of things M. Duplessis did that helped families? Or shall we call a spade a spade and describe his actual policies, instead of using Wikipedia prose to promote a POV term used by his supporters that doesn't tell us anything about what he did as premier? Can you name a social policy of M. Duplessis - or even find a reliable source that calls him "pro-family," so we know that it's more than the opinion of a few tendentious editors, as opposed to the RS which describe him as socially conservative? Or are you just reverting me blindly? Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:35, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a joke 

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message: This section of the second paragraph of the article clearly needs to be reworked, if not completely deleted:
   "but is also considered the greatest period of Quebec history[citation needed] by traditionalist conservatives who point out Duplessis government support of positive economic and social development based on strong family values in Catholic tradition, his support of private property rights vis-a-vis growing state and labour union challenges, and his strong opposition not only to Communism, but also to secularism, feminism, environmentalism, leftist separatism and other non-conservative political trends and movements that have changed and fragmented Quebec politics and society over the next 60 years[citation needed],"
This is nothing but shameless insertion of one's political views into the article, with absolutely no backing provided.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.118.124 (talk) 04:38, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editorialising by a clearely politically biased editor 

message: Found this paragraph in the section "[e]conomical and welfare policies" (footnotes and link to French Wikipedia removed):
Could anyone please tell me if this paragraph should be split, and if so, where?--Thylacine24 (talk) 04:14, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've addressed the issue; I will also move the paragraph to the relevant draft, on which I will be working right now. This paragraph, I think, will eventually disappear from the main article. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 12:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found paragraph that may need splitting