Talk:Big Brother (British TV series) series 6/Archive 1

message: I think this article should be merged with Big Brother (UK TV series) until after the seriesends, SqueakBox 23:52, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)
:Please object there, as I have one support, and if noone else minds I will do it tomorrow, SqueakBox 02:03, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
:*I have commented there why I think it should stay separate (i.e., I mind! ;-P ) --Vamp:Willow 12:06, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: *It should definately stay separate. It looks much cleaner on the main page and will get ginormous one might imagine. Celestianpower 21:57, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

text: *It should stay seperate. As above. Also, if we are out-voted you will still have to wait two years (as of 2005) until it can fully be merged becuase Channel 4 has deals with local councils etc to keep it running 'til 2008.Read here, at question #2 Thanks 14:30, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: Just bringing it to the attention of those who have an interest in this article: the article Orlaith McAllister has been listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, with people opinions currently split between deleting the article, and merging it into the main Big Brother article. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Orlaith McAllister for the discussion.
Given that there have been some ugly scenes regarding issues like this before (see Talk:The Apprentice 2..), I thought I'd come and float the idea of merging of the contestant articles into this one. The great majority of them are only a single paragraph, and it seems to me that they'd fit quite nicely as subsections of this page, that this would put all information of interest to people interested in Big Brother 6 into one place, and that the article would not be unreasonably long even after doing this.
What does anyone else think? —Stormie 11:09, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
:I often wonder if it's appropriate to have articles about individual contestants in an encyclopedia such as this. Some of them won't ever have any other claim to fame than appearing on the show. Others, like Craig Phillips and Jade Goody, have become celebrities in their own right, and so it could be argued such entries are worthy. We had this situation before with several articles such as those about Michelle Bass and Stuart Wilson from BB5, and they were eventually slotted into the article about Big Brother 5. -TonyW 14:45, July 12, 2005 (UTC)
:I think that the winner of a series should have their own entry, as well as any notable contestants (such as Jade Goody from BB UK Series 3). For this series, I think that it should be the winner, plus Derek if he does not win - as he has more of a 'public' history. All other contestants should just be merged into this page. If any of them become 'famous' in their own right after the series has ended, a new article for them can always be created. Phantomsteve 20:09, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Orlaith McAllister]] VFD / merging of articles 

message: I'm a little uncertain over the word "born..." - this suggests a change of name rather than a nickname. I can't think of any better words though.   9cds 01:16, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Science 

message: Where is some information explaining about the secret garden in Wikipedia? --Commander Keane 13:05, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
:There isn't as far as I can see. I'll make a seperate page anyway. FireFox 13:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: New page has been created, and can be found here. FireFox 13:57, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Secret garden 

message: This article needs to seriously be monitored for the time being.  I found a pice on the article - I quote...
"Anthony is also really really really fit!!"
This doesn't sound very professional does it?  Silly teenage girls are vandalising this article.
:What do you expect? Annoying, I know, but get used to it. There's enough people, I think with the article on their watchlists for vandalism to be spotted and quickly reverted. The JPS 16:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abuse to the article 

message: There's a minor edit war going on... perhaps it's one for the talk page rather than spending all day reverting each other's edits? My inclination is that Orlaith isn't plaecd anywhere because she quit the competition. The JPS 16:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not going to revert anymore cos I can't be bothered. The proof is here. States clearly that she finished 7th.  I also think that there is no point putting everyone's positions in the table in the first place, as none of the other series' articles do. FireFox 16:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for providing a source - they are a refreshingly good addition to a dispute!! One of you is right to leave it alone - which ever one of you it may be. It's not really that important. The 'day left' column fulfills the same purpose, tho' Kinga does complicate things. The JPS 18:34, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Placings

message: The article says "Craig was evicted on Day 76 in a surprise mid-week eviction, whilst the housemates were having dinner." - the timing may have been surprising, but the actual act of a mid-week eviction wasn't a surprise... the housemates had discussed it as something they expected to happen, as they knew that they wouldn't all be there on the last day. Phantomsteve 17:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Craig's Eviction 

message: Big Brother UK                       	Big Brother UK
Series 6 (2005)(with day of exit)    	Series 6 (2005)(with day of exit)
Anthony Hutton                       	Day 78 (Winner)
Eugene Sully                         	Day 78 (Runner-up)
Makosi Musambasi                     	Day 78 (3rd)
Kinga Karolczak                      	Day 78 (4th)
Craig Coates                         	Day 76 (5th)
Derek Laud                           	Day 71 (6th)
Orlaith McAllister                   	Day 65 (Walked)
Kemal Shahin                         	Day 64 (7th)
Kieron "Science" Harvey              	Day 57 (8th)
Vanessa Layton-McIntosh              	Day 50 (9th)
Maxwell Ward                         	Day 43 (10th)
Saskia Howard-Clarke                 	Day 36 (11th)
Kinga Karolczak(re-entered on Day 66)	Day 32 (4th)
Roberto Conte                        	Day 29 (12th)
Sam Heuston                          	Day 22 (13th)
Lesley Sanderson                     	Day 15 (14th)
Mary O'Leary                         	Day 8 (15th)
Are all the rankings really necassary? It's never been done for Big Brother 5, 4, 3, 2 or 1. It looks neater without the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th. We should keep 'Winner' for Anthony, 'Runner-Up' for Eugene, 'Walked' for Orlaith and 're-entered on Day 66' for Kinga. Squidward2602 10:33, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, and at least losing them would solve the Orlaith dilemma! The order in the table says it anyway, the the placings does make the table look a bit cluttered. The JPS 11:46, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done the deed and erased 3rd-15th, leaving only 'Walked' and 're-entered on Day 66'. If, however, it is agreed by a majority the rankings should return, then change it back. Squidward2602 14:41, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are the rankings necassary? 

message: Maybe an individual article should be made for Anthony, as has been done for the previous five winners here, here, here, here and here. Just a suggestion but I think it would be a good idea to take it up. FireFox 15:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Once he's done something that transcends this article then he can have his own page. The Nadia article is a bit iffy, but the transsexuality stuff gives it a bit oomph (technical term!). When there's more to be said about Hutton, and we can expand it beyond one sentence ("he won Big Brother 6") without having to resort to using the series itself for the bulk of the article... Even Cameron has presented a couple of programmes. The JPS 17:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthony 

message: Perhaps we should remove the link: "Up to date odds with Paddy Power", because now the series has fininshed, it just links to a near-to-blank page as there are no odds to show anymore. FireFox 12:40, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely! The JPS 13:04, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Extermination of the linkspam complete! --Celestianpower hablamé 16:28, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: I noticed a change made by 139.184.30.18 which changed Eugene's First class honours to third class honours. This user has been blocked for vandalism several times, although I am unsure whether it is in this case or not. Can someone take a look? --FireFox 13:47, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to have been changed again, however it was already on third class and now it says first class. Do we actually know which it is? Tescomarc 21:28, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am trying to find out the information. If no one knows for sure, I suggest that it could be changed to 'honours degree' without specifying the class  luke 22:10, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I contacted Sussex University and their press office tell me that Eugene got a third class degree and NOT a first class degree. They also made a point of saying that he was a great student and made a valuable contribution to the student radio station luke 12:12, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eugene Sully 

message: Which is it? I remember wikipedia always had Karokzak, until it was just changed to Karolczak - I searched the internet and found websites varied in the spelling. I recall the BBC spelt it with the 'lc' but other sources, eg. The Sun used just a 'k' - I think Karolczak, but does anyone have any evidence? Squidward2602 14:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would side more with Karolczak, but I've even seen her name spelt Karolozak. I must admit it would be helpful if the C4 website gave their full names. I remember Kinga spelling her name out once but unfortunately I can't remember anything else :o( --FireFox 14:43, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Right, here is proof from the Channel 4 BB website. Paragraph 3 says: Joining Russell are TV presenter Sarah Cawood, ultimate Big Brother obsessive John Connell, and Secret Garden nymphet Kinga Karolczak. As this is the official website, I would call that proof. :o) FireFox 15:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well she is half-Polish, and even though I don't know the language, I do know that cz is a digraph in the language, and I've always seen it spelled Karolczak. Geoking66 21:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karolczak vs. Karokzak 

message: Didn't Channel 4 say that on their last series that they would never do BB ever again, beacause racial abuse] was seen and heard in front of millions. Even some residents called the police! But obviously they never stuck to what they said. Anyone confirm? 14:23, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Racial Abuse

message: I think it could be useful to put this: Template:TotallyDisputed either just under the heading for housemates or at the top of the page, because a lot of it is either roumers, biased or both. It's only an idea. What does everyone else think?  FireFox 19:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - that's better than cleanup. I'll do it now. —Celestianpower háblame 20:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagging 

message: During his time in the House, Derek often attacked other housemates as having low intelligence. When she entered the House he asked Orlaith if she was intelligent: She replied that she had been to university and Derek responded that this wasn't necessarily a sign of intelligence. He often dissed housemates in the Diary Room as well.
There were many examples of Derek's own lack of general knowledge and poor judgement during his time in the House, both in the quizzes he set and elsewhere. One example was his asking a question about a film (a figment of his imagination) supposedly starring John Wayne and called 'Hey Ho'. This fiction was compounded by his then asking Craig to spell 'Hey Ho' for an extra mark!
A reasonably high percentage of Derek's answers were incorrect, I estimate around 20%. Nevertheless his quizzes were appreciated by the housemates. His answers were nearly always accepted as being correct.
In Britain, a person's way of speaking still can have great impact as to how they are perceived, and it seems Derek has made use of this.
I hope the above lends weight to my addition, and that it should be restored
edit @ 17.45 UCT by shojo - sorry I forgot to sign
luke 17:45, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derek - why I think it is very relevant to mention his BB6 House quizzes. 

message: Is there any truth to The Sun's article on Makosi's driving offence? It also says that she was taken in for questioning, and the subject of deportation was brought up ... anyone know of any truth in the article, or can it be added to Makosi's section on the BB6 page?
:EDIT: Sorry, it wasn't The Sun, it was BBC Teletext. Squidward2602 11:45, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is confirmed here luke 14:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makosi's Driving Offence? 

message: Does anyone have any information on whether Makosi is being deported? She was told she had 10 days to appeal, and that was 19 days ago! Has anything been revealed or is it all being kept secret? Squidward2602 17:10, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makosi's Deportation? 

message: this comment is funny:
"Davina McCall had been hinting at it being a "popularity contest", "...
What, didn't the housemates already know that before these hints? Asa01 22:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: funny comment

message: Hi, I was trying to add Sam's wikipedia page to every sam text on the Big Brother UK series 6 similar to Derek's link but a message came back saying I was spamming or something, could anyone who can edit the page link Sam text to this page please... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Heuston
Thank you.
:Hello, A consensus was reached on individual contestants having their own wikipedia page. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Orlaith McAllister for the vote, and item 3 above for the discussion. So you must give a good reason for granting Sam her own page.
:I don't see why your two Sam fansites should not be included in a separate 'Fansite' section at the end of the main article, although it seems from the above that there is opposition to this.
:Comments?--luke 03:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cant add Sam's Wikipedia page? 

message: I've seen fansites already listed on wikipedia for Nadia Almada, Brian Dowling and Kate Lawler. Any comments on whether they should be limited to winners?
The Sam ones I mentioned earlier are:-
*Sam Heuston's Hunks!
*SAM CITY - An unofficial Sam Heuston fansite and forum
--luke 16:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fansites]] 

message: Should Kinga's stay in the Secret Garden be counted in the table of housemates? BB made it clear to the Secret Garden trio that they were "not housemates yet". I'd say she only became a BB6 Housemate on Day 66, so the reference to her earlier stay shouldn't be on the chart. Jess Cully 18:49, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would certainly make it more sane... -- 9cds(talk) 18:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinga in the ranking table 

message: Should everyone's full name appear on the Big Brother endgame infobox? I think so, like all other articles. Geoking66 05:41, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother#Surnames or not?, but only barely...  --JD[don't talk|email] 21:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Names 

message: I've asked this before, and I'm asking it again, as I'm hoping this time there'll be more of a response.  Should the way last names are used in the UK articles stay the same, or should they be as they are used on the Big Brother Australia articles?  (examples at BB06, BB05, BB04)?  --JD don't talk email me 00:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO they should be left in. If an article says "George" then there are thousands of George's in the world. If surnames are included then it narrows that down to a few hundred... godgoddingham333 00:14, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm interesting idea. The Australian ones look quite neat, and the surnames never seem to be mentioned in the show. Certainly on the List of Big Brother housemates (UK series 7) would be good. --Alex9891 00:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  :) Glad I'm good for something.  That damn infobox () causes problems with that, as sections are automatically linked to.  The only way that could be solved with that above infobox, without removing automatic linking or changing the template to , is to remove the surnames from the main BB7 page.  --JD don't talk email me 00:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you removed that, I reckon there would be uproar from some other major BB7UK contributors... godgoddingham333 00:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, your signature's died on you.  I could bring this up on the BB7 or BB7 Housemates article, and see what responses the topic gets there.  --JD don't talk email me 00:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea... (Also testing signature...) godgoddingham333 00:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Test it in a personal sandbox (User:godgoddingham333/Sandbox), it's less embarrassing!  --JD don't talk email me 00:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol! --Alex9891 00:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surnames in the article 

message: There's ten of them. Unfortunately, I think they need to go as per Talk:List of Big Brother housemates (UK series 7)#Removed images. Tra (Talk) 01:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Eleven...  I say get rid of the screenshots, leave the eye.  JDtalk 01:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot about the eye... Yep, the housemate images need to go and then their image pages can be tagged with  Tra (Talk) 02:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I don't believe there is a settled policy on this question of removal...eg see: Too many images..., limiting screenshots, particularly the current discussion on this proposal for images in lists which touches on the issue and my proposal on images of living people. As far as I can see, no decision on removal of multiple images was reached, eg "..you use as little images as needed to aid the article in whatever way that the fair use rational claimed. As such, this is not a set number."--luke 04:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use images 

message: :"all contestants have unsuccessfully managed to sustain a long term showbiz career"
What is this supposed to mean? -- Smjg 23:04, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means that none of the contestants were famous for a long time after the show. It is a bit POV, however, so I've trimmed down the introductory paragraph. Tra (Talk) 23:17, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I took that bit about what they are doing, as isn't it right, these people are a bunch of losers, I mean a bunch of failures, none of them have gone anywhere beyong BB since they ahve left these contestants deserve to end up stacking shelves at Tesco, well theres nothing else they deserve apart from sweeping floors at the streets of London —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.82.139.5 (talk) 18:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "unsuccessfully managed"? 

message: After the series is over, should this page be kept? If so, then surely we need similar pages for Big Brother UK Series 1-5? What do you think? Phantomsteve 20:23, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I should say this page should definitely be kept. As for the others, if you wish to create them then go for it (obviously)!!! I however cannot remember that for back. --Celestianpower talk 21:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created Big Brother 5 nominations table, feel free to edit, tidy, or do anything you need to do to it. Squidward2602 13:57, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, now I've created Big Brother 4 nominations table. Squidward2602 15:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I get what you mean. The only problem with this is that Week 11 is actually being used for the mid-week eviction on Wednesday. If we were to follow the same pattern as BB5 and BB4, a new final column would have to be created. (This cannot be named Week 12 because there isn't one. Possibly week 11, second half. These are only ideas but I think that putting final positions in Week 11 as it is, would not work very well. FireFox 17:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It worked OK for the Big Brother 5 nominations table, in which Stuart was evicted half way through the final week. Just do the 'evicted' boxes the same as Derek's and then write Winner, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the housemates respective boxes. Squidward2602 12:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nominations table

message: I made a few changes to the table.
* changed the fonts etc
* brought in a colour scheme
* used colspans for evicted contestants
* turned the notes into footnotes
If it causes any problems, revert it, or ask me on my talk page. You have to admit it looks much nicer now, and definately should be kept ;) — CuaHL 01:28, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table tidy 

message: Is it really necassary to have the positions in the name boxes? Saying who came 16th, 15th, 14th, etc. isn't really how you know the housemates, the only positions that are ever counted are 1st - 4th. Perhaps the final four positions could be written in the housemate's Week 11 boxes - see Big Brother 5 nominations table or Big Brother 4 nominations table to get the idea of what I'm suggesting.
:I get what you mean. The only problem with this is that Week 11 is actually being used for the mid-week eviction on Wednesday. If we were to follow the same pattern as BB5 and BB4, a new final column would have to be created. (This cannot be named Week 12 because there isn't one. Possibly week 11, second half. These are only ideas but I think that putting final positions in Week 11 as it is, would not work very well. FireFox 17:36, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It worked OK for the Big Brother 5 nominations table, in which Stuart was evicted half way through the final week. Just do the 'evicted' boxes the same as Derek's and then write Winner, 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the housemates respective boxes. Squidward2602 12:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final Positions