Talk:Paul Bragg/Archive 1

message: This article makes claims which are completely unverified.  Citations are needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.1.218.159 (talk • contribs) 15:09, September 15, 2006
I have found that the majority of the statements on this page come from the official Bragg's website, specifically the biography page on Paul Bragg.  Perhaps the site could be contacted to request verifiable data. --Caen 15:53, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006

message: Sorry, but Ellen White and John Harvey Kellogg along with the Seventh-day Adventist church predated Paul Bragg. Kellogg was certainly known for marketing health foods through the mail as a way for his guests to bring the Sans experience home with them. Seventh-day Adventist's are known for operationg health food stores and restaurants.  -- John Gohde 04:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bragg was NOT the first, in many things 

message: Some believe Paul Chappius Bragg was NOT born in "Virginia" in "1881", although his organisation asserts this to be true, but believe he was born in Batesville, Indiana on Feb. 6, 1895 to Robert Elton Bragg & Caroline "Carrie" (Maiden Name: Chappius)Bragg, & had one older brother, James Elton Bragg (born in Indinapolis, Ind. in 1893) & a younger brother, John H. Bragg, born in Washington, D.C. in 1899. 
And, contrary to his "Apple Cider Vinegar; Miracle Health System" book (pages 13, 14 & 15), he was NOT "raised on a large farm" nor is there any indication his father was ever "a splendid farmer":
"I was raised on a large farm.  On that farm we grew many apples.  Each year my father made Natural ACV and stored it in wooden barrels...My father was a splendid farmer and many times I would watch him add ACV to the feed of ailing animals (cattle, horses, sheep, dogs, cats, etc). and it acted like magic." 
RATHER, the Bragg family moved to D.C.  when Paul would have been around age 3, where they lived in apartment houses and his father worked as a "compositor" (typesetter) for the "GPO" (Government Printing Office) at least through 1920.  You can find the Bragg family in D.C. by searching the on-line Federal Census Records for 1900, 1910 & 1920.  In the 1900 one, Paul's age was given as "5"; in 1910, "15", & place of birth as "Indiana" in both.
Sparky37Sparky37 22:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contrary to belief... 

message: although the current Wiki page on Messr.Bragg claims that the Paul Bragg (born Feb. 6,1895) of Palm Springs, CA on the Soc. Sec. Death Index & Paul Bragg, "the nutritionist" are different people, that is in error.
Per the latter's Florida Death Certificate (yes, he died there at South Shore Hospital in Miami Beach on 12/7/76), his SS # shown at Item 12 on his death certificate is 554-42-5580; & the Palm Springs' Paul Bragg's SS#, if you check, is exactly that same SS  #.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky37 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  By the way.... 

message: I see the most recent poster on the Wiki PB site clearly NEEDS to believe.  But I will admit, dying at "age 96" in an "unfortunate swimming accident" does make for a better Paul Bragg "story".
My personal take on Paul Bragg, after doing his genealogy dating back to his paternal great-grandfather (who, BTW, was NOT the famous Confederate General Braxton Bragg that Paul Bragg claimed in an interview in The Honolulu Star Bulletin & Advertiser of 8/24/1969 with William Helton, Advertiser writer, to wit:
"Bragg was born in Virginia in 1881 and says his great-grandfather was Confederate Gen. Braxton Bragg"---
yet ANOTHER Paul Bragg fabrication)-- is that he was likely very charming & likeable,  but also somewhat of a compulsive liar.
Unfortunately, he didn't foresee the day when one could go into almost any public library, at least in the U.S., & with a few keyboard clicks, bring up ancient documents belying his claims.
I'll go further & say I believe that Paul Bragg's most persistent claim. that of almost dying, but being eventually cured of a serious case of Tuberculosis at age 16 by good food & sunlight & fresh air & exercise (not to mention a claimed two-year stay at Dr. Rollier's Switzerland TB clinic) was another  fabrication of his.  His "numbers" just don't add up here, knowing what I know about him during this same time period.
BTW, I have to wonder, even among "Believers", why has nobody come up with THE ADDRESS of that FIRST HEALTH FOOD STORE IN THE U.S. that Paul Bragg's Group claims, over & over again, he opened??  I find that most suspicious. 
 (sparky37) Sparky37 14:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hmmm... 

message: I keep putting the correct bio info on Paul c. Bragg on his Wiki page & someone keeps removing it.  At least this person is now using Paul Bragg's correct date & place of death, which he obviously didn't know before I told him.  He still apparently doesn't know Paul Bragg's (alleged) 1881 birth date/place, which shows- to-go  how little he does know.
I even emailed The Bragg Group over a week ago (at same email address "Mr. Ward" graciously gave), offering to exchange my official documentation on Paul C, Bragg's background for theirs, & they have NOT responded. Something as basic as a copy of that 1881 Virginia birth certificate should do the trick.  And they didn't even wish me "health & happiness" as they did "Mr. Ward".  I guess they weren't expecting anyone to uncover the truth about Paul Bragg.  Maybe they're mad at me?
Sparky37Sparky37 17:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gee, what's a girl to do? 

message: Malachi, do you really think that Bragg, et al would ever admit that Paul Bragg wasn't age 95 when he died?  They have a lot invested in Paul Bragg's (alleged) longevity. At least lately, they (occasionally)say he died from "complications" from a surfing/swimming accident, whereas before,  the "story" was that he died "IN" a surfing/swimming accident in Hawaii.
As to those "complications", according to  the news story in the "Honolulu Advertiser" at his death in December of 1976, he was pulled unconcious from the water at Fort DeRussey. Honolulu, Hawaii in July of 1976 (4 months prior to his actual death), & a nurse on the scene managed to revive him.  
Exactly WHY he went unconcious in the water on that July day in 1976 is unknown. He could have been "surfing", he could have been "swimming", he could have been doing nothing more than "wading" & been knocked over by a big wave.  He could have first  suffered a heart attack while in the water, that caused his "accident".  All kinds of possibilities,not excluding the possibility that the "near-drowning incident" never happened in the first place. 
 
Then, of course, he subsequently DID die in the hospital in Miami Beach, FL of a heart attack on 12/7/76 while in that city on a speaking engagement.
Over the subsequent 30 years, the stories/rumors merged & escalated, as it tended to do with almost anything concerning Paul Bragg, & the world ended up with a much more "dramatic" story of his rather mundane ultimate demise than was the truth. 
Sparky37Sparky37 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sparky37 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh, come now,  

message: documentation that belies Paul Bragg's alleged age at death are the six ship/airplane passenger manifests for him that were filed with the Dept. of Commerce in the 1930ties-1940ties & are now a matter of public record.
Just to give an idea:
1)  Paul Bragg (age 38), Departure: NY, NY; Arrival: Los Angeles, CA 5/28/1933.  Date of Birth: 2/6/1895; Place of Birth: Batesville, IND. Ship:  "Santa Rosa".
2)  Paul C. Bragg (36),
Departure: Honolulu, HI; Arrival: Wilmington, CA, Jan. 22, 1932; Date of Birth: 2/6/1895; Place of Birth: Batesville, IND. Ship:  "City of Los Angeles".
And there's 4 similiar entries for him, only with other  traveling info., up through 1949.
Now how would we know that "Passenger, Paul C. Bragg" is the same person as "Health Guru, Paul C. Bragg", who claimed to have been born in the State of Virginia in 1881?
Easy.  One other question asked of departing passengers back then was their U.S. address.  "Passenger Paul C. Bragg" sometimes gave 4230 National Ave., Burbank, CA & sometimes 224 W. Front Street, Burbank, CA as his address.  
Cross-referencing those addresses with the Burbank City Directories on file in the City of Burbank Public Library show that between the years 1937 through 1954, 4230 National Ave. was Paul Bragg's Burbank residence, while 224 W. Front Street was the business address of "Bragg Live Foods", which is still the name of the corporate entity now run by his successor(s).
Sparky37Sparky37 20:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  And yet some more... 

message: of doing a genealogy search on anybody from Paul Bragg to your own great great grandparents, I suggest you read Wikipedia's own "Genealogy" page.
One direct quote from that page regarding past U.S. Censuses:
"With the advent of computers, & more recently the internet, expanded indexes, including all family members, are beginning to appear. These are accompanied with hypertext links that take the researcher DIRECTLY TO AN IMAGE OF THE ORIGINAL CENSUS PAGE [cap. emphasis all mine], without having to travel to a regional library and scroll through endless rolls of microfilm."
These census records all currently exist for access by the general public for the decades starting with either 1780 or 1790 (forget which) right up through 1930 for the U.S.
And not only are those U.S. Censuses accessible, but also a few other countries such as Canada, the United Kingdom, etc.  have their past Censuses on-line also. 
So, yes, 100-year old Plus documents ARE available on-line for viewing by "intelligent" people.
(Sparky37)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.189 (talk) 01:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BTW, for an Overview... 

message: shred of evidence disputing my findings?  That's what "intelligent" people do in a debate.   Shouldn't be too hard with your brain power.  Problem is you can't & can do little more than rant & rave.  That's your real problem.  And I'm sorry, but third hand "stories" about "chicken throwing" don't count. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.151 (talk) 23:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about You producing even one... 

message: for posting the clippings. I shall have to go to our local LDS Family History Center (or whatever is its correct name) & read some of those articles in their entirety.
I see that Paul Bragg told a quite different story of him rescuing a person from drowning in his Apple Cider Vinegar Book:
"At 12, I was sent from my rugged farm life to an expensive military academy as a gift from saving a man from drowning.  The food at that institution was where my health was broken."
Then he went on to say this caused his Tuberculosis, which he claimed was "100% cured" by a two year stay at Dr. Rollier's TB clinic in Switzerland.
So, from the clippings, this "rescue" actually happened when he was 18 years old & not 12, & he was later on the "staff" of a military school, not a "student" so why would he need a benefactor's gift, (presumably tuition
, etc.), as an employee?  Not to mention that he never grew up on a "farm" to leave from.
Can't figure out how he worked in that 2-year Switzerland stay at age 16 with all the other things going on his life at the time...but then I don't believe his TB story anyway.
Was somewhat surprised to see that he was already padding his age, at least for public consumption, by 1930 though!
BTW, Paul Bragg claimed in an extensive photo-op interview with Dave Koga, Writer with the Honolulu Star Bulletin, 5/6/1975, "Nonagenarian Has Lots To 'Bragg' About", to have been a veteran of "all the major battles of WWI".  I personally doubt this as on his June 1917 draft registration card, he specifically asked for an exemption from service in that war on the grounds of having a "dependent wife", which was one of four or five exemptions allowed for. 
In the same interview, he also claimed to have been a member of two U.S. Olympic wrestling teams.  I see from the news clippings that he was an amateur wrestler...but I don't see any evidence that he ever reached the pinnacle of the Olympics as he claimed. 
Any news clippings on these from your source?   My news clippings on PB are xerox copies supplied by the Hawaii State Library.
Sparky37
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.187 (talk) 02:08, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thank you Lifechild... 

message: Here are a few more abstract of newspaper articles.  I place an asterisk where I have added information to previously cited articles.
Washington Times	4/8/1910	Paul Bragg, aged 15, accompanies a butler who boarded with Bragg Family on Quincy Place to Baltimore after jewell heist.  Thief had befriended Paul and wanted  someone to run errands and fetch newspapers!
* The Washington Post	6/17/1913	Paul C Bragg, aged 18 saves man from drowning a Colonial Beach. Swam 300 yds and rescued 200 # man.
* The Indianapolis Star	9/18/1913	Has a $1,000 challege for anyone to beat him in wrestling in his ligthtweight weight class. Received Gold medal for bravery Washington Times. Also rescued man from Shenandoah River. Received letter from President Wilson, nominated for Carnegie Award. Taught wrestling to President Roosevelt and taught Roosevelt's sons to box.
The Frederick Post	3/23/1920	Visits brother John H Bragg, who is a patient in a hospital for shell-shocked soldiers
Oakland Tribune	1/26/1933	Paul C. Bragg, Lecturer of Los Angeles leaves from San Francisco on the Panama-Pacific liner Virginia
New York Passenger Lists	2/13/1933	[Not a newspaper clipping but ship manifest, ties in well with above] Ship Virginia arrives from Pacific Coast carrying Paul Bragg b. Batesville, Ind Feb 1895
Oakland Tribune	1/17/1934	A series of lectures in Oakland. Says recently returned from second trip to South Seas where he lived among the Polynesians
Valley News, Van Nuys, CA	3/31/1974	50th High School Reunion announcement for Redondo Union High School. Says Paul C. Bragg was a physical education instructor there, taught in 1924
Oakland Tribune	4/8/1976	Interview with Bragg. On two olympic wrestling teams. At 16 told 4 months to live and had TB.  Five children [Three by Neva, Patricia and ?]
From these articles, Paul Bragg seems to have been a very robust young man 
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lifechild (talk • contribs) 04:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More information, mainly from Newspaper Articles 

message: Dallas Morning News Apr 12, 1929 article mentioned above in which Paul said he was 49 states he won the South Atlantic A.A.U. wrestling championship in 1918 and the Pacific Coast endurance contest for a thirty-mile run in 1926.
Lifechild 15:13, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More athletic accomplishments 

message: chanpionship in 1918 in the U.S.,, his story about participating in" all the major battles of WWI" (also 1918) sounds like more Paul Bragg B.S.  You can't be both over here & "over there" at the same time.
And to confirm this, in one of the Frederick, Maryland newspaper articles circa 1920 announcing his emloyment as their local Y.M.C.A.'s new athletic director, was this paragraph;
"His first work was as gymnasium instructor at the Military and Naval Academy at Lake Geneva,Wisconsin.  Since then he had had charge of physical work in the Y.M.C.A's of Indianapolis, Indiana and at Washington, D.C. and of physical eduction in the public schools of Suffolk County, Long Island, N.Y. and physical work in army camps under the Commission of Training Camp Activities DURING THE WAR."  (My emphasis).
So clearly rather than Paul Bragg's later "brag" of being part of the fiercest WWI battles in Europe, he actually spent that war safely state-side as 
a physical instructor in army camps.
Did this guy ever tell the truth??
Sparky37
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.152 (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If he was winning a wrestling... 

message: And he won the wrestling championship at age 38 and a forty-mile endurance contest at age 46 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lifechild (talk • contribs) 16:49, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remarkable 

message: To be fair, on his June 1917 draft registration card he did serve for 3 years in the National Guard, based in Washington, DC
Lifechild 02:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Military Service 

message: If these allegations are true, they need to be vigorously pursued.  I find the allegations very disturbing, and the comments by Bragg's alleged granddaughter appearing and disappearing from this discussion page is very odd. Can documentation be provided one way or another - maybe put someplace else on the Internet?  If Bragg was only 81 when he died, and not 95, I will have plenty to say about it on my web site, but it would be nice to have better support, although what Sparky37 and Lifechild have put together has impressed me enough to make this post.  Bragg's legacy is more than tainted if the allegations are true, not just about his age, but his tuberculosis and Olympic wrestling stories.  If they are all fabrications, how Hollywood they are.  I will say one thing, however.  The "story" was never that Bragg died in that swimming accident, but that the lung damage sustained in it was what led to his death.  The version I read more than twenty-five years ago stated that he blacked out while at that Miami speaking engagement and was administered drugs by the paramedics, and that is what killed Bragg.  I look forward to somebody putting together something more definitive, but I have to admit that the burden of proof seems to be more on Patricia Bragg right now than anybody else.  
I will say this about what I have seen since Bragg died...
From the very beginning of my interest in Bragg’s work, he seemed very well preserved, perhaps too well preserved.  Pictures of him supposedly in his fifties looked a lot like a man in his thirties, and he always looked at least a decade younger than he was, or allegedly was.  In 1975, not long before he died, I read a People magazine interview with him.  A humorous part of the article was when Bragg was asked at what age sexual activity ended, and Bragg said, “You’ll have to ask somebody else, because I’m only 95.”  His “daughter” has carried on his work, and because she lived near Ventura, my family and friends have met her, so I have encountered Bragg-related literature over the years.  Many years after Bragg died, I saw that People article reproduced by Bragg’s “daughter,” and it had been altered.  Instead of Bragg saying, “I’m only 95,” he said, “I’m ageless.”  That alteration takes on a very different meaning, in light of the recent research and allegations.  Also, I have not been happy with how other parts of his legacy have been handled.  When his “daughter” published editions of Paul’s books after he died, I never saw her acknowledge that Paul was dead, but she implied that he was alive.  In addition, I never saw Bragg use the word “Crusade” to describe his work, but that term dominates his “daughter’s” version of Bragg’s work.
User:wadefrazier 02:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: If these allegations are true

message: "proof" would you want?
BTW, the Los Angeles Times covered the Patricia Bragg v. Dr. Robert Elton Bragg (Paul's son with Neva) divorce hearing twice in their newspaper over 50 years ago:
12/21/1955
and
1/17/1956
If you want to read the articles in their entirety, the L.A. Times has an on-line retrieval service of articles from its archives for a fee.  And the larger So. Cal. public libraries would have back issues on microfilm.
I have no specific information on their content, but the articles would probably confirm a father/daughter-in-law relationship between Paul & Patricia.
sparky37
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.189 (talk) 15:09, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What kind of further... 

message: Document copies are some of that “what more” that I need.  In my work, I provide documentation copies when making certain points.  
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/energy1.htm#half
This is the Internet.  Unfortunately, I have had to deal with people using fraudulent newspaper “proof” to defame somebody close to me:
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/dennis.htm#dishonest
Even when they have been exposed as dishonest defamers, they keep on acting as if they were not exposed.  
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/353778.shtml#251272
Personal integrity is the world’s scarcest commodity.
  
So, call me cautious.  If Bragg indeed lied about his age and other germane aspects of his life, especially vis-à-vis his life’s work, this is going to be a bit of a scandal in the alternative health community.  I really do not feel like digging up document copies and posting them to the Internet, but if nobody else has the gumption to do so, maybe I will have to do it myself.  Digging up that information is good work, but it is not enough to convince somebody seeing the information on the Internet.  Maybe you do not care to convince people, but only want to point them in the direction they can take to prove it for themselves.  However, my experience has told me that less than one-in-a-thousand who will do that.  
User:wadefrazier 02:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: This kind of proof

message: "legwork".
If you're truly interested in authenticating & publishing any of this on your website, I think you should be as able as me to take it from here.  Or just drop it.  Your choice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.186 (talk) 14:53, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think I've done adequate... 

message: User:wadefrazier 02:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes, your legwork is a good start

message: any papers/documents re PB, I'll be happy to furnish what I have.  OTOH, if you want to start fresh, ok too...that's always challenging.
BTW, when I read your understanding of the circumstnces of P. Bragg's death in Miami, were you saying that this pre-death incident happened WHILE he was speaking or at least in attendance at the speaking engagement itself?  This is not clear to me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.152 (talk) 16:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you want copies of... 

message: The Bragg Live Foods website states that Patricia was "...the youngest woman ever to be granted a U.S. Patent."  
I don't know if she was the youngest, but I did find patent 2,811,156 online.  The patent was for a "Douche or Enema Device" and was patented by Patricia Pendleton Bragg of Burbank, CA in 1957.
Lifechild 03:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patricia Bragg's Patent 

message: Please Stand Up?
I see in one of Paul Bragg's last newspaper interviews (Oakland, CA Tribune, 4/8/1976), he claimed he opened America's First Health Food Store in New York City in 1912.
However, three years earlier, in an Associated Press interview with Ron Staton, "Bragg Could Brag About His Fitness" (Honolulu Star-Bulletin Nov. 29, 1972) is the following paragraph:
"Bragg says he opened the first health food store in the nation in Los Angeles 60 years ago."
Since "60 years ago" in 1972 would be, hmmm, let's see, 1912...
And to think he did all this at age 17!
Sparky37
 
 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.54.97.152 (talk) 12:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Will The First Health Food Store In America.... 

message: It's all very interesting stuff, both from Sparky (everyone is saying 'he' but I believe it is a 'she'.) Just disappointing that someone can make claims and hide behind anonymity. Also disappointing that someone can add comments disputing Sparky's position without signing his or her name at all! Wouldn't be a bad idea to publish a book about this, with a real name. Does anyone personally know Patricia Bragg? It would be interesting to have someone confront her with this information. I only know that I contacted the Bragg company and they assert he died at age 95. The other option would be to talk with Jack LaLanne about this. He would probably have a good idea, having known Paul Bragg from many years back. Is someone game? With all this conflicting information, I think someone should be willing to sort the fact from the fiction and find out the real story. Malachi456 07:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHO'S RIGHT HERE? 

message: I have emailed Jack LaLanne to see if he can give us any more information. I haven't heard back yet, and somehow suspect I might not, as he is unlikely to want to contradict Patricia and the Bragg company, or be drawn into this debate. Will keep you posted if I hear anything though. I do also know that Patricia  is at times interviewed by the media etc, and I hope that someone who sees this discussion may be interviewing her in the near future, and is able to 'confront' her with this issue. Malachi456 09:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CONTACTED JACK LALANNE 

message: I looked at the website created by wadefrazier and am quite concerned about the allegation on that site that Patricia is not Bragg's daughter. I believe I read on this site that someone had found documentary evidence that he did have a daughter named Patricia. Do you know, Sparky? Malachi456 06:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patricia not Bragg's daughter? 

message: Not if it isn't true. On her website she repeatedly refers to Paul as her 'father'. I would say it would be too big a backdown now to admit he was not her father, which would be admitting she has been lying, and it would not be hard then to believe that she might have been lying about something else.... As you can see, I have become quite skeptical of Bragg claims over the past few months. Malachi456 06:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  PATRICIA CLEAR THIS UP? 

message: I totally agree.  Furthermore, I do NOT even think that this discussion page is up to the high standards of Wikipedia.  The article is supposed to be about Paul Bragg, rather than the Bragg Internet Business or his daughter by birth or adoption.
The article looks like some kind of a neon sign.  When are you guys going to present a professionally written article so that ALL those stupid notices can be taken down? 
Furthermore, with all the FREE websites that can be created overnight by anyone, when is all this so called proof, of whatever, going to be put out on the web so that the public can examine graphics of these so-called original documents?
-- John Gohde 14:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article or section is not written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. 

message: did a good job of giving an "image" of certain Paul Bragg documents that are "in the public domain" & cited the ones that are "copyrighted" that people can look up for themselves...just like people that "read books" have to do.  
I don't think you'll ever get a website of ALL those "images" in your face.  There's them "pesky" copyright laws.
:Anybody can create a web site with Google Pages anonymously. And, it would be up to the copyright holder to make a complaint.  And, in the mean time the public would be able to make their assessment.  From what I have seen, the graphics have NOT been posted.  Are NOT going to be posted.  Therefore, it is all so much hot air in my opinion.  Furthermore, your Wikipedia posting/writing style is absolutely horrible. Too much caffeine in your diet? -- John Gohde 15:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not.  Put it in the web page on Patricia Bragg. -- John Gohde 15:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  i believe "wadefrazier"... 

message: First, we have several researchers trying to document the facts of Paul Bragg's life, and
carefully citing their sources - just what is requested by this site
Second we have a single individual trying to cover up the past. I know that individual, who 
appears occasionally at the Natural Product Expo in Anaheim, California, to promote her products and say hello to friends. Yes, she is still alive and healthy. If I were her, I would write a biography of her father-in-law, tell the story in a complete and balanced way,
try to answer all of the main unanswered questions (exactly what happened in Hawaii? Was that incident related to his death in Florida a few months later? Did Paul ever legally adopt her as his daughter, after she and his son were divorced (Read the Los Angeles times story!!), etc.
Third, in the middle, we have a machine which has never heard of Paul Bragg or Patricia, which knows NOTHING about Paul Bragg, but which is programmed to look at certain actions on each web page and try to determine what is happening. It is a very BLUNT instrument, but it must drawn various conclusions about this site. Even if there are ten documents that clearly and indisputably show Paul Bragg's date of birth, it considers that date too controversial because someone is trying to cover it up. This is a strange way to write an on-line encyclopedia and to try to arrive at a fair and balanced understanding of a complex and very interesting man.
BillShurts 14:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's going on here?