Talk:Nazism in relation to other concepts/Archive 1

message: What should be applied to this page or others is to be clarified. towards solution I present source educational fair use from 1936 publication .
The chief source for all succeeding histories portraying the Weimar history is ex-Berlin University  history professorArthur Rosenberg's Methuen 1936 A History of the German Republic .The Epilogue  deals with the results of the collapse of the middle class in 1928-30. 
In briefest gist:
308:Dictatorships of Bruning,Papen ,Schleicher and Hitler of highly complicated nature, Bruning carries out wishes of great capitalists and landowners.Unemployed rise vastly. Middle class ruined , lose confidence in conservative Govt.
309:SDP blamed for their support for such govt. 1931 banking system standstill . Cllapse of capitalism. KPD do not receive growth . both SDP and KPD fial to seize opportunity.Capitalists gain time. No marxist advantage. bruning incapable of preserving internal peace tween KPD and NSDAP.Diverts attention by more nationalist forign policy . proclaims customs union with austria. France and italy force austria out of this.Bruning thereby destroys external co-operation.
310:Bruning wished to show external powers Germany's inability for reparations, situation itself performed this liberation   .
:::The majority of German capitalists and land-owners had originally supported the Conservative experiment: not from any personal liking for Bruning, but because they believed that the Conservative methoid would best serve their intersts. As, however , the masses not only of the working class, but also of the middleclasses turbned against Bruning , and as the economic and political situation of Germany grew increasingly worse, more and more of the great capitalists and landowners declared  themselves in favour of his opponents-Hitler and Hugenberg. By the end of 1931 Conservatism as a political movement was dead, and the time was coming when Hindenburg and the Reichswehr would drop Bruning and come to terms with Hugenberg and Hitler.
311:Hindenburg after re-election, no less a supporter of military dictatorship and of the anti-democratic counter-revolution... The Reichstag had no say in any changes ( removal of Bruning ..) for the real political sysyem under which germany had been living since 1930 was a presdential dictatorship. 
312:H'burg appoints Papen 
::who was closely associated with the industrialist and land-owning classes...had always pursued an extreme Conservative policy on Hugenberg's lines... .Schleicher achieves ambition as all of the members of the new cabinet were of the same political opinion as Hugenberg.It was to be expected to..assure itslef of the co-operation of Hitler. Since the Republicans and Socialists were not yet ready to take actionand the Conservatives had shot their political bolt, Hitler and Hugenberg were certain to achieve power. 
312:July 1932 results.the question now was what part this immense Party [NSDAP] would play in the Government of the country ..
313:[NSDAP]
::owes its enormous increas to the  influx of workers,unemployed,despairing peasants,and middle class people.The millions of radical adherents at first forcd the party towards the Left .They wanted a new Germany and a new organisation of German society. The left wing of the Party strove desperately against its simply drifting into the train of the capitalist and feudal reactionaries.Hence Hitler refused to serve under Papen, and demanded the Chancellership for himself.
313:Capitalists and Generals filled with suspicion at NSDAP  radical tendency. NSDAP left attempts coalition with ventre party . Papen at this challenge dissolves Reichstag
::he declared emergency, appointed extraordinary courts for political offences, and threatened to punish acts of political violence with death. the result ws staggering. The civil war that had been afflicting germany for years came to a sudden end, and all was quiet.It was clear that the that the capitalist class in alliance with the Reichswehr, and usung the State machinery , could always dispose of the [NSDAP].The masses of camp-followers who had during the past year joined the National Socialists began to waver as soon as they saw that Huitler was nor invincible . 
314:NDSAP November 1932  vote drops 2 million.The above suspicion opens prospects for the Republicans and Socialists. SPD and KPD Could have achieved success building on Berlin transport Strike.
::if the working class had taken united action against against papen, the Left wing of the[NSDAP] would have been swept along in the movement, the Right wing isolated, and the Fascist danger wholly averted.''
The Trades unions and the SPD refused support to the strike, which was the last proletarian blow against the ruling capitalist dictatorship.Altho papen was victorious , 9/10 of the Reichstag were hostile to his Government.
::The four great massmovements , the SPD,KPD,Centre and the [SDAP] were in opposition. If this situation continued there was some danger rthat the centre and the [NSDAP] would grow more and more radical, and that in the end a gigantic united national bolshevist front would be formd against the ruling system.
===Schleicher===
315:continuing Arthur Rosenberg,1936 History of the German Republic.Papen loses his most potent support-the Army General Reichswehr Minister Schleicher, was the type of political officer who had developed in the atmosphere of semi-obscurity and intrigue that encompassd the Republican military policy.He had for years been in the van of those fighting for the Conservative counter-revolution.... 
Declares sudden opposition to Papen's methods and evolved a programme of social pacification under military leadership....H'urg appoints Schleicher..
::Thus about the turn of the year 1932-3 , there occurred a curious political entr'acte .Schleicher appeard in the role of'Socialist General',and entered into relations with the Christian Trade Unions , the Left [NSDAP], and even with the Social Democrats . Schleicher's aim appeared to be a sort of Labour Government under the direction of the General.It was an utterly fantastic idea as the Reichswehr officers were hardly prepared to follow Schleicher on this path, and the working class felt a very natuaral distrust of their future allies. Meanwhile Schleicher aroused furious hatred in the ranks of the great capitalists and landowners by these plans .
316:
::In revenge Schleicher made sensational disclosure about the Osthilfe scandal, about the squandering of government money for the benefiit of the bankrupt landowners in Eastern Germany. The landowners and capitalists determined to act quickly . The situation was only to be saved if the counter-revolutionaries could once again show a united front, if papen and Hugenberg became reconciled with Hitler. After the serious set-backs that[[NSDAP] had suffered during the past six months, its pretensions had been considerably modified . Hence a compromise was reached. Hindenburg, who disapproved  strongly of Scheicher's campaign against the Prussian landowners, dismissed him. Schleicher played with the idea of a military coup d'etat-of eliminating Hitler,Papen and Hindenburg, and with the support of the Labour organisations assuming the Dictatorship himself . But Schleicher, a seconfd and lesser Wallenstein, could not take the decisive step either. He retired quietly into private life. Schleicher's fall, however, by no means implied the defeat of the Reichswehr as a whole. the Generals merely dissociated themselves from the plans of their venturesome colleague.
===January 1933:Curious epilogue Arthur Rosenberg===
pg: 316 Arthur Rosenberg's 1936  History of The German Republic, fair use/educational
::On January 30, 1933,the new coalition government of the paries of the Right assumed office. ....The balance of power within the the coalition appeared to be wholly on the side of the Nationalists{Hugenberg's DNvP]. The fact that Hitler had at last become Chancellor nevertheless gave the NSDAP mass movement a tremnndous upward impetus.At the Reichstag elections, which took place in March, the NSDAP obtained seventeen million votes.They and the Nationalist together constituted aa majority in the Reichstag.The Government induced the President and the Reichstag to grant them authority to issue decrees having the force of law.The [hitherto Presidential] dictatorship had thereby given itself a new legal form.
::continues The [NSDAP] mass movement soon proved to be beyond the power of the [[majority] Nationalist Ministers to control . Unchecked by the police the S.A indulged in acts of terrorism throughout Germany. Communists,Social democrats ,and the Centre were everywhere ousted from public life. A violent persecution of the Jews began, and by the summer the [[NSDAP] felt itself to be in scuh a strong positionthat it could do away with all the other parties and the Trade Unions. The Nationalist Party was among those suppressed. The [NSDAP] thenceforward ruled alone in Germany . The Reichswehr had remained untouched by all these occurrances. It was still the same State within a State that it had been in the Weimar Republic. Similarly ,the private property of great capitalists and landowners was untouched, while the administrative and judicial machinery was only very slightly tampered with .
Fk:Along with Edgar Ansel Mowrer, the above  Berlin History Professor is viatal for us to reach some understanding of the forces (each with their concepts) at interplay arounfd the [[NSDAP] . It seems evident that this Rosenberg left Germany in haste. Mowrer who published his thorough portrayal of the forces and concepts  in 1933 itself, was ejected by Hitler before even the Enabling Act , and thus is equally unable to explain the denouement which only post [[Nuremburg Trial history conceives. Apart from Avro Manhattan perhaps, who came from a  Roman viewpoint, and seems to have smelled the same  that Mowrer only published much later in 1968. The suggestion that Manhattan is hate literature may or may not be purely a function of the danger his knowledge and publication represents still . 
What is sure is that Margaret Lambert's 1934 book I sourced at The Great Scandal shows the effect of what is absent Centre-accusation in Arthur Rosenburg. As Lambert shows, the Saar acted as adelay-filter upon NSDAP ability to fool the whole world, something I FK find still affecting us all here in Wikipedia . Hence the 'educational use for Wikipedia as a whole. This should inform all editors in future as source. 
The section on Magnates shows the later revelations of banking and corporatist capitalism, same old same old companies from Nuremburg.
The Reichswehr is subject worthy of our attentions as readers and  Wheeler-Bennett in 1953's the Nemesis of Power , avails of his personal presence in pre-war Germany, and at the  post-war Trials . Klemperer and the Widerstand begin the over-lap of scholarly interest from take your pick what year beyond 1930 . Shirer and Toland  I have sourced extensively . Lewy's Catholicism study  is brought to us in detailed fashion by the Megamemex timeline, which I cannot dispute, and no one else has here yet. User:John Kenney confirmed  Tallet ? only post 23 March  re Vatican quid pro quo , but Cornwell and Kershaw seem to contradict this and edge close towards Manhattan.
I still say the Magnates are getting insufficient notice in Wikipedia. I personally regret that delving there enters a string of positively American accusations, just as I regret the situation brought on with the vatican . I think people should read more  source . I think  sam may remeber that I have sourced Rosenberg before, and others more modern re: the text I produced here. (bye Sam, Jmabel) .EffK 14:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
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message: pg: 316 Arthur Rosenberg's 1936  History of The German Republic, fair use/educational
::On January 30, 1933,the new coalition government of the paries of the Right assumed office. ....The balance of power within the the coalition appeared to be wholly on the side of the Nationalists{Hugenberg's DNvP]. The fact that Hitler had at last become Chancellor nevertheless gave the NSDAP mass movement a tremnndous upward impetus.At the Reichstag elections, which took place in March, the NSDAP obtained seventeen million votes.They and the Nationalist together constituted aa majority in the Reichstag.The Government induced the President and the Reichstag to grant them authority to issue decrees having the force of law.The [hitherto Presidential] dictatorship had thereby given itself a new legal form.
::continues The [NSDAP] mass movement soon proved to be beyond the power of the [[majority] Nationalist Ministers to control . Unchecked by the police the S.A indulged in acts of terrorism throughout Germany. Communists,Social democrats ,and the Centre were everywhere ousted from public life. A violent persecution of the Jews began, and by the summer the [[NSDAP] felt itself to be in scuh a strong positionthat it could do away with all the other parties and the Trade Unions. The Nationalist Party was among those suppressed. The [NSDAP] thenceforward ruled alone in Germany . The Reichswehr had remained untouched by all these occurrances. It was still the same State within a State that it had been in the Weimar Republic. Similarly ,the private property of great capitalists and landowners was untouched, while the administrative and judicial machinery was only very slightly tampered with .
Fk:Along with Edgar Ansel Mowrer, the above  Berlin History Professor is viatal for us to reach some understanding of the forces (each with their concepts) at interplay arounfd the [[NSDAP] . It seems evident that this Rosenberg left Germany in haste. Mowrer who published his thorough portrayal of the forces and concepts  in 1933 itself, was ejected by Hitler before even the Enabling Act , and thus is equally unable to explain the denouement which only post [[Nuremburg Trial history conceives. Apart from Avro Manhattan perhaps, who came from a  Roman viewpoint, and seems to have smelled the same  that Mowrer only published much later in 1968. The suggestion that Manhattan is hate literature may or may not be purely a function of the danger his knowledge and publication represents still . 
What is sure is that Margaret Lambert's 1934 book I sourced at The Great Scandal shows the effect of what is absent Centre-accusation in Arthur Rosenburg. As Lambert shows, the Saar acted as adelay-filter upon NSDAP ability to fool the whole world, something I FK find still affecting us all here in Wikipedia . Hence the 'educational use for Wikipedia as a whole. This should inform all editors in future as source. 
The section on Magnates shows the later revelations of banking and corporatist capitalism, same old same old companies from Nuremburg.
The Reichswehr is subject worthy of our attentions as readers and  Wheeler-Bennett in 1953's the Nemesis of Power , avails of his personal presence in pre-war Germany, and at the  post-war Trials . Klemperer and the Widerstand begin the over-lap of scholarly interest from take your pick what year beyond 1930 . Shirer and Toland  I have sourced extensively . Lewy's Catholicism study  is brought to us in detailed fashion by the Megamemex timeline, which I cannot dispute, and no one else has here yet. User:John Kenney confirmed  Tallet ? only post 23 March  re Vatican quid pro quo , but Cornwell and Kershaw seem to contradict this and edge close towards Manhattan.
I still say the Magnates are getting insufficient notice in Wikipedia. I personally regret that delving there enters a string of positively American accusations, just as I regret the situation brought on with the vatican . I think people should read more  source . I think  sam may remeber that I have sourced Rosenberg before, and others more modern re: the text I produced here. (bye Sam, Jmabel) .EffK 14:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: January 1933:Curious epilogue Arthur Rosenberg