Talk:Alberto Fujimori

message: Messhermit is banned from editing this article.  However, I believe that he is editing the article as 65.2.103.216.  The following are my reasons to believe this:
*65.2.103.216's edit summaries use the phrase "rv. Political bias detected"  Messhermit uses extremely similar language in his edit summaries about Peru.   
*At one point, Messhermit acted in total defiance of the ban and edited the article.   This creates the impression that he forgot to log out and edit as 65.2.103.216.
*65.2.103.216 and Messhermit have rushed to defend one another on this talk page, and are in apparent 100% agreement with each other.
*65.2.103.216 is an obvious Single purpose account  whose purpose seems to be adding Messhermit's suggestions to Peru-related articles.
If 65.2.103.216 and Messhermit are not the same editor, than I deeply apologize to both of them.  I feel somewhat embarrassed to be the one to make such a serious accusation, but it seems to me that a wikipedian banned from editing this article may be doing so.  --Descendall 01:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you took your time to dig up such amazing theory only proves that because you disagree with me, you attempt to throw mud to my Wikipedian record. Let's ban every single PC in the US and Peru because Messhermit might be behind those computers, right? Messhermit 01:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It won't be that difficult.  User:147.70.124.59's IP address is owned by Miami-Dade College.  Perhaps it wasn't such a great idea to put the fact that you attend Miami-Dade College on your use page.  --Descendall 01:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ahead, I wonder if I'm the only peruvian that attend the Miami-Dade College and lives in Miami-Dade County and believes that Fujimori was not a "dictator". Messhermit 02:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I wonder if you're the only Peruvian who attends Miami-Dade College and has a good reason to hide their name while editing this article and is a wikipedian and a Fujimorista.  I'm betting that you are.  I guess we'll find out shortly.  --Descendall 02:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I should ad and uses the term "POV dectected" and starts all revisions with "rv." including the period.  By the way, how's that Bell South internet service working out for you?  --Descendall 02:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, why don't you critizise Bdean's unilateral view of Fujimori? or maybe because you support his actions? Messhermit 01:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has become nothing more than a “which hunt” against my person imposed by two leftist wikipedians that hold a grudge against my person. I will refuse to answer anything due to the fact that this is nothing more than a political persecution and an attempt to subdue my freedom of speech here in Wikipedia. Messhermit 01:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sockpuppetry

message: Having a looked at the article, and reading some of the dispute on this page I have concerns. I'm particularly concerned about this edit from Bdean  which seems to reintroduce a number of unsourced claims, and a couple of sourced claims that overtly stress highly contentious opinions. Almost none of the present wording dealing with these claims and issues would be acceptable to me were they to be applied on the pages I regularly edit and monitor. I suggest that if editors want to keep any of this material, and judging by the action on this talk page it seems they do, then the priority should be to find multiple serious sources. And fast. Because the weasel word police routinely scour for such material, and can be ruthless in dispensing justice. That is my two cents.--Zleitzen 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Zleitzen, I for one am duly alarmed about the weasel words police. I also echo your suggestion to the extent individual users should just edit to improve portions of the article they have issues with, rather than entirely revert the complicated contributions of individual users or make personal accusations against them. Simply put cite tags on unsourced claims or add other referenced content to accurately and appropriately contextualize referenced if negative information. While the burden of proof for establishing claims is always on the contributor Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence, we can all help Wikipedia run more smoothly by adding more referenced content rather than critiquing and criticizing individual users. Best regards to all,--Amerique 04:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I could assist by removing all unsourced claims and weasel words according to WP:BLP guidelines, which state that such claims should be removed immediately. Simply keeping "citation needed" tags is not good enough. And as noted above, the burden of proof for establishing claims is on the contributor Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence. A period of grace has been generously bestowed by a number of editors on this material it seems, but this period can and will run out very shortly. We can also help wikipedia by abiding by policy, and stressing these core policies on the talk page, can we not?--Zleitzen 13:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree that unsupported material shouldn't be tagged indefinately, so removing these sentences would be appropriate... Addhoc 13:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerns

message: mramirez500 Elections in Peru added to the article.
===Civil War and Alberto Fujimori===
In response AAAAA recent edit of the Alberto Fujimori as well as the posting on my talk page: (There wasn't a civil war. I'm from Peru and the only thing that happened was the suppression of two terrorists movements by the government which were devastating the country. The repressions could have beens strong, but battles against terrorists were necessary to disarm them and capture them. Maybe the title of the section should be "Terrorism and Fujimori". 201.240.239.229 02:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Presidential elections in Peru, April 2006

message: In response AAAAA recent edit of the Alberto Fujimori as well as the posting on my talk page: (There wasn't a civil war. I'm from Peru and the only thing that happened was the suppression of two terrorists movements by the government which were devastating the country. The repressions could have beens strong, but battles against terrorists were necessary to disarm them and capture them. Maybe the title of the section should be "Terrorism and Fujimori". 201.240.239.229 02:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil War and Alberto Fujimori

message: Once again, we have IPs from Miami, Florida editing this page, such as User:65.8.62.65.  Every single one of the Miami-based IPs that had previously edited this page was identified by checkuser as a sockpuppet of Messhermit.  This is getting exausting.  --Descendall 22:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind stop chasing ghost and solve the disputes in War of the Pacific and Tacna Region? That would help a lot to improve those articles. You are not Blocked anymore, so there is no excuse now. Messhermit 20:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Messhermit

message: Hi guys, i am new to wikipedia, and certainly i have no intention to began a edit war as you call it on this site?. But i think this article it is a little bit unbalanced, as i can see one user has been complaining about it. How about if this template  is used on this article?. I think if the reader sees this message at the bottom of the article and he or she thinks this article is not balanced may discuss its opinions here by clicking on the link to the discussion page, cheers :)--201.240.182.180 23:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit confused. The only person who was complaining about imbalance was Messhermit, who was clearly attempting to insert his own bias, to the point where there was a ruling banning him from editing the article, which he continues to try to change through the use of sockpuppets. That is not the sort of situation where we usually use the  tag. I'd propose removing the tag unless someone can give a cogent explanation of how the article is imbalanced: that is, either something significant that it leaves out, or something that is here that is given disproportionate weight. - Jmabel | Talk 03:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the tag. As there have been no serious objections on the talk page.--Jersey Devil 08:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposing the use of unbalanced tag for this article 

message: A minor observation: it says he married Susana Higuchi in '74, but their daughter Keiko Fujimori was born in '73. I doubt both these dates are right. SamEV 16:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: Does anyone know what his nationality is? If it's Peruvian then how could he have been protected from extradition by Japan when he was living there? (Japan does not allow dual citizenship) Is there anyone who can shed some light here?  60.40.51.186 04:30, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Japan might not allow dual citizenship, but they may still considered him as Japanesse (regardless Peruvian laws on him), so he could have been protected anyway...--190.42.191.129 04:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is part of the controversy. The Japanese position seems somehow contradictory. One would assume that by recognizing Fujimori as Japanese Japan is denying his Peruvian citizenship, but it is very obvious that Fujimori is Peruvian. He lived all his life in Peru and was the President there. More importantly, Fujimori had been previously recognized as the Peruvian President by Japan, and he entered Japan with a Peruvian passport. If he was not Peruvian then he would have committed a crime in Peru since one of the requirements to be President in Peru is to be a Peruvian citizen by birth. Besides, Fujimori publicly announced his intentions to run in the Peruvian elections in 2006 while living in Japan as a Japanese. I very much doubt that the Japanese government would have assumed the same position for any other regular mortal. 206.186.114.231 18:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He clearly has dual citizenship, SqueakBox 18:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Japanese position is not clear. Japan does not allow dual citizenship. Calin99 17:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I find amazing is that he could have had Japanese citizenship while being President of Peru, clearly a conflict of interest there and a serious one. We should find sources for this stuff before adding tot he article, SqueakBox 17:05, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The actual reasons for the readily accepted exception are not known and, considering the circumstances, are rather suspicious. Calin99 13:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of us who have lived in Peru, whether we supported Fujimori or not, have always assumed that he really was born in Japan and his birth certificate altered later to state he was born in Peru. This is why Japan so readily accepted him as Japanese as Japan does not, as far as I know, make exceptions to their laws. Records being altered in Peru was common place before the advent of computers and the internet when record keeping was done with pen and ink, by hand or on typewriters, and stored in file cabinets. I'm sure it was commonplace everywhere. This was the 1930s remember. My own dad altered his university records in the 1970s and has never been found out (hence my not signing in with an actual ID). At any rate, I believe the tell-all is that Fujimori's mom was recorded upon immigration as bringing two children into Peru and it is commom knowledge that Fujimori is the 2nd of 4 kids. Sure immigration records make mistakes in spelling people's names but not usually in how many people came in with a family, particularly children. I would say the immigration record count is far more reliable than an easily altered ink written document.76.22.241.84 (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Another conspiracy believer. Even his political enemies already gave up with all this nonsense of him being born in Japan, hense the reason why no further evidence has being provided. Regarding the "Most of us", I think you can only speak for yourself and his more hardcore enemies. Messhermit (talk) 04:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from making personal attacks. You have been blocked repeatedly for this type of action before.Notmyrealname (talk) 07:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fujimori's nationality

message: I realize that you're mostly Peruvians trying to write in English as well as you can, but try to keep the grammar as correct as possible.
I also recommend changing "en bloc" to "en masse" but that may be more of a style issue.
One thing is for sure this paragraph must be changed:
Fujimori's privatization program also remains shrouded in controversy. A congressional investigation in 2002, led by opposition congressman Javier Diez Canseco, stated that of the USD $9 billion raised through the privatisations of hundreds of state-owned enterprises, only a small fraction of this income ever benefitted the Peruvian people.
You can't spell it privatization and privatisations in the same space.  Standardize your English - either go American or go British but not both.
190.43.195.158 23:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: In the section "third term", there is a paragraph that reads:
"In the runoff, Fujimori won with just over 51% of the vote. While votes for Toledo declined from 40.24% of the valid votes cast in the first round to 25.67% of the valid votes in the second round, invalid votes jumped from 2.25% of the total votes cast in the first round to 29.93% of total votes in the second round."
So, let's review. In the runoff, 51% of the votes went to Fujimori, 25.67% of the votes went to Toledo, and 29.93% of the votes were invalid.
That 106.6% of the votes cast, so that can't be right. Anyone have a better source for this?
Teekno 14:11, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 51 and 29.93 figures are as percentages of valid votes, that is, excluding invalid votes. Thus, there were 29.93% invalid votes and 70.07% valid votes. Of this 70.07%, 51% were for Fujimori and 25.67% for Toledo. --Victor12 15:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000 Election results and basic mathematics 

message: In this section there is nothing about his arrest and trial. I know there is a full article about this, but the text should be a summary of all three, not just one. ☆ CieloEstrellado 01:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes I fully agree with that, I had to take a look on the detailed article to understand that he had been arrested in Chile and later extradited. This should be mentioned clearly in the article--Kimdime (talk) 04:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've attempted to clean it up with some salient points from the linked article. haydn_likes_carpet (talk) 05:51, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Resignation, arrest, trial section

message: I have removed the citation to Fujimori's speech in the introduction for two reasons:
1. The information is incorrect since that refers to what Fujimori said during a different trial (Human rights abuses)
2. That kind of details have no place in an introduction section anyway. And one could argue that we should include the prosecuting attorney speech as well.
Calin99 (talk) 21:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, but now the opening paragraph now says that Fujimori was sentenced to six years of jail twice. --71.178.68.94 (talk) 00:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does it? I don't think so. But you could explain where you think it says that or maybe fix it yourself. Calin99 (talk) 14:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trial details in introduction

message: The paragraph beginning "The current Peruvian Minister of Justice" is incomprehensible. I can't clean it up because I can't understand it. Would someone familiar with the matter please rewrite it, preferable with decent citations? - Jmabel | Talk 02:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomprehensible 

message: Well, I don't think anyone is especially surprised, but he was convicted of the charges and we know that an appeal will be launched and Keiko has promised to pardon him, if elected.  Lots of editing will be required to bring us up to date, but I've started the process. 201.230.127.183 (talk) 18:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fujimori's conviction 

message: So I noticed that despite the FACT that Abimael Guzman was sentenced to prison, he doesn't have the criminal box. Same thing with other dictators such as Saddam Hussein or [[Luis García Meza Tejada] do not have this box. Why is that this box is here? Messhermit (talk) 16:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fujimori is a convicted criminal. You may request the addition of the box to the other ones if you wish Calin99 (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criminal Box? 

message: If I recall correctly, a documentary made by one of Peru's TV stations explained that Fujimori hadn't actually been born in Peru, but rather he was born in Japan. However, since he was so young (still a baby), his parents managed to pass him off as if he had been born in Peru. Did anyone else see the documentary or has any sources relating to this?--$%MarshalN20%$ (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Born in Peru? 

message: So what's the deal?  The article says he's been sentenced to prison, but doesn't say if he's actually entered prison or not.  Is he wearing stripes these days or not?  (Personally I hope not.  He was a great leader with some flaws.  On the whole, Peru is 1000% better off for his presidency than it would have been without it.  Not that that justifies what bad things he did.)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.17.232.180 (talk) 15:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He should've been executed for his crimes against humanity and the people of Peru. He was a murderous sub-human piece of garbage who had no place among civilized men. I hope he rots in hell. Peru is 1000% better off now that he is rotting prison, which is too good for him. You are an evil person who despises truth and justice, as he was.162.192.88.176 (talk) 08:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is he now? 

message: This article is a fucking disgrace. The lustful enthusiasm for Fujimori's murderous economic fascism is palpable. I guess it's what's to be expected on a site administered for a dedicated follower of Ayn Rand. DublinDilettante (talk) 14:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow. This is... mildly extreme. I think that some consideration of the dangers and harms of capitalism, as well as the possibility of a economic system with a focus on equality, liberty, and justice rather than simply on profit would be useful for you. Just a suggestion though. Boone888 (talk) 03:48, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yet more neoliberal propaganda on Wikipedia 

message: I added the See also entry * Government involvement with the federal judiciary of Peru under Alberto Fujimori, but this could be part of the article text.  Please help.--DThomsen8 (talk) 11:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also  

message: It says here that Fujimori holds dual citizenship with Japan but from all I have read the Japanese government does not allow this and one nationally must be chosen on he 18th birthday, it being considered a crime to be in posession of dual passports in Japan. As no citation was given I would like to see clarification or reference.... --APDEF (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dual Citizenship? 

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replies: text: Replaced the removed image with :File:Al_Fujimori.jpg. aismallard (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
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message: I updated the page to reflect the news but it still needs a citation and more updates as news develops. 
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thread_title:  Peruvian courts have ordered his release from prison, Dec 5th 2023