Talk:Cherokee heritage groups

message: Make certain any Cherokee Heritage groups are not listed if they are violating any laws, like peyote distribution or illegal casinos.  Any that are engaged in illegal activities may not be practicing Cherokee Heritage and may not belong here. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 03:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: Is this to be a list?  a category?  Many of the smaller groups don't need articles as WikiPedia isn't a collection of links.  And the larger groups are already linked to in the Cherokee article. Why shouldn't an article like this mention all Cherokee groups, whether they see themselves as a "heritage group" or not?  What exactly is this article to be, and how can we avoid an AFD? Sorry to ask all these questions, but the lead doesn't really tell us anything right now, and I'm not sure where to the article is to go?  Smmurphy(Talk) 03:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you can fix that by editing this article.  This is an article for you to write all you want about Cherokee Heritage Groups and I will help.  I would list them first by state designations where they are organized.  Within the body of an article titled "Kentucky Cherokee Heritage Groups" you can list them and use the name Nation, Tribe, or Band since there is a disclaimer from Mike Miller and a comment "judge these groups for yourself (They run the gammit)" or words to that affect.   Just do not title any articles Tribe, Nation, or Band and these other groups have an umbrella and rightful place.  There's more than just 7 -- as Mike said, there are over 200.  Sooner or later they may be visiting WP to write articles or others.  Write what you want, I might chime in too.  Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 23:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, then I propose to move this page to something like "List of Cherokee groups" and list all notable groups. Smmurphy(Talk) 23:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

text: List of Cherokee Heritage Groups aligns with the Cherokee Nation statement by Mike Miller, and provides the WP:V endorsement (along with 200 verifiable heritage groups based on these statements).  Could not be more wide open.  We just keep the Federal tribes in their articles and the Heritage Groups in their articles.  This same structure will work for all the other tribes as well. Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 05:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the same discussion we are having at Talk:Cherokee.  Please answer my question at Talk:Cherokee#Verification with Reliable Sources. Smmurphy(Talk) 05:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title, content, questions 

message: This article is about non-Federally recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups.  Please do not tag as the article is intended to provide a place on Wikipedia for non-Federally Recognized Cherokee Heritage Groups who meet the criteria for notability to be included.  There is a on-going debate on the main Cherokee article.  Jeffrey Vernon Merkey 23:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rio Grande Cherokees in the Rio Grande Valley of southern Texas facing the Rio Grande (US-Mexican border) have demanded federal recognition as a legally "bona fide" tribe in the 1990's and early 2000's without much success. The Cherokee Nation closely examined in a geneohistorical investigation on the origins of the Rio Grande Cherokees and came to find these applicants aren't exactly in line on what they are talking about. The tribe fought to get 160-300 square acreage of land in the river facing Mexico, as well the tale of their ancestors arrived in the 1830's when the Rio Grande Valley was Mexican land until the 1840's when the U.S. officially annexed the disputed region. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 06:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-Federally Recognized Groups 

message: I realize this was started as a place for Non-recognized groups. I began editing without reading the talk page.  However, I believe since it is named "Cherokee Heritage Groups" it should be about that. Alternatively, the name could be changed to Cherokee Non-recognized Tribes, and another page created for Cherokee Heritage Groups. I appreciate the work already done. However, there is a very clear difference between a real Cherokee Heritage Group and a Non-recognized tribe. In my opinion, it is more important than ever that people know the difference between tribes, bands, tribal groups, heritage groups, Cherokee Nation and Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. These are often and easily blurred, which makes things easier for the imposters. There are clearly defined differences. I began my editing by attempting to explain some of these differences. If my edits to date need to be undone and another page created, I have no problem with it, as I should have read this talk page before I began. I would very much like to continue the work on this page if possible. Odestiny (talk) 02:20, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heritage groups vs Non-recognized tribes 

message: In California, it is thought of the state has over 600,000 persons of Cherokee ancestry, the Cherokee-American Heritage Organization speaks for the state's Cherokee community. The CNO recorded about 20,000 enrolled tribal members in the state and to be "Cherokee" has a more ethnic or cultural meaning than actually belonging to the Cherokee Nation or Eastern band tribes. Cherokee Indians began to settle in California as early as the 1850s, later came the large migration of Cherokees out of Oklahoma during the dust bowl from the early 1920's peaked in 1933-37 to end in the late 1950's. Ther Cherokees were employed in agriculture throughout the San Joaquin Valley in farm towns or in cities like Fresno and Bakersfield, while others went to find industrial employment during World War II in the Los Angeles-Long Beach, San Francisco-Oakland and San Diego areas. + 71.102.53.48 (talk) 07:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cherokee American Heritage Organization, California 

message: I believe this article should focus on legitimate Cherokee Heritage Groups rather than on false tribes. There can be an article on false tribes if needed, but to load this article full of discussion of that topic rather than what the title is about is misleading. As mentioned in the article and is also on the Cherokee Nation official website, "the Cherokee Nation encourages people of Cherokee heritage to take pride in their heritage and become active in heritage groups even if they are not eligible for citizenship. The Cherokee Nation does not question anyone’s claim of heritage or ancestry."
All this information about tribal recognition or non-recognized tribes is irrelevant to Heritage Groups. The article clearly defines the difference between a heritage group and a tribe of any kind. It's my intention to move or remove the material on tribal citizenship and false tribes from this article unless someone has a good reason why not.Odestiny (talk) 03:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Tribes 

message: We should strive especially in contentious articles to stick to the sources.  Large sections of this article smell like privileged personal knowledge.  I would invite others to read through and add the   tag to a few sentences that seems suspect. Wjhonson (talk) 20:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's becoming more and more a biased, unsourced, blog.Odestiny (talk) 21:51, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Original Research

message: The Central Band of Cherokee were one type of heritage group, featured on a History Channel documentary available on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHNRf9H7nD4&NR=1 actually believe the theory on themselves are of ancient Israelite origins, and call themselves the "Lost Tribe of Israel". The Central Band of Cherokee are reputedly controversial in the Native American community for quite some time, due to a high porportion of its members are of mainly European descent calling themselves "Indians" or "Native Americans", but to include a philo-Semitic Christian Zionist ideology of the Cherokees should reunite with the Jewish people of the world and to reconnect with the modern-day state of Israel instead. 71.102.1.101 (talk) 07:47, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Central Band of Cherokee

message: Sorry I don't have time to go through this thoroughly right now, but at first look, this article seems to be inaccurately conflating heritage groups (which can be anything from CNO Satellite Communities to fake tribes trying to get a casino) with cultural and medicine societies that exist within real tribal communities. I'll come back to it, but this could use more eyes on it. - CorbieV☊ 23:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
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