Talk:Abbas ibn Firnas

message: After the closing of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Armen Firman it seemed the best move was to merge Firman's article here and make it clear that there is substantial doubt as to whether he was actually a separate individual at all. I've gone ahead and edited the content and merged it here. Beeblebrox (talk) 08:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. I worked out why there is reason to doubt the existence of Armen Firman (a strong argument from silence based on several scholarly works). Gun Powder Ma (talk) 13:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The AF section reads like a conclusion- a personal summation of the editor's estimation.   With minor rewording, it could serve the same end without the semblance of OR.Mavigogun (talk) 21:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any OR, it is merely an attempt to explain an argument from silence in a logical manner to the reader. But go ahead. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merger from [[Armen Firman]] 

message: This article has been edited by a user who is known to have misused sources to unduly promote certain views (see WP:Jagged 85 cleanup). Examination of the sources used by this editor often reveals that the sources have been selectively interpreted or blatantly misrepresented, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent.
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* :Abbas Ibn Firnas: 
Johnuniq (talk) 11:31, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked diffs. I know the article has long been attended to by at least one attentive editor, so any chance of encountering any remaining big Jaggedisms was rather slim. However, I remove one claim inserted by Jagged which corresponds to Cause of concern no. 3 and three further ones lacking any source which I could not substantiate. Please feel free to restore these claims whe you've found sufficient evidence for them to be true. For more background information, please see RFC/U and Cleanup. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 21:23, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misuse of sources 

message: I have tried to remove OR from the section on Amen Firmin.  Would help if I had sight of the sources. I am not sure if we can call him an aviator, any more than we can call Elmer one. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 06:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Strange

message: In the first line, the text says that Ibn Firnas was "Arab-Muslim", offering two sources. I contest both: first, they are not scientific literature but just popular web resources with no known authorship and second, non of them says actually that Ibn Firnas was personally "Arab-Muslim", although of course he was part of the wider Arab-Muslim civilization, which is not contested and should be clear by the "Umayyad" context. Later in the text it is said again that he was of Arab descent, which needs a source, but none is given (I doubt that a generic mention in a popular US Radio show qualifies as source). I've replaced the wording by a cautelous "sometimes be said of Berber descent", with a link to a Moroccan print media, which does not give any details either but at least has a undubious wording of the claim as such. I foresee debates about this point, thanks for explaining your position. Ilyacadiz (talk) 15:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Arab or Berber?

message: I removed it per this discussion: . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: I removed some content from a set of recent edits that repeated most of the article, with a few changes. These cnaged not only introduced a slew of redundant content but also intoduced several dozen referencing errors. I've reverted them, since that seems like the easiest fix. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out and fixed it. It was a mobile edit, therefore that massive error occurred and couldn't notice. Regards.83.137.6.246 (talk) 13:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove redundant content

message: . Putting this here incase anybody wants to talk about it. I'm currently assuming it's WP-wrong to remove Arab, but WP:RS may convince me otherwise. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:27, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an Arab but an Amazigh? 

message: What is the source of this very long name? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abu al-Qasim Abbas ibn Firnas ibn Wirdas al-Takurini 

message: :The criteria #1 states;  and #4, 
:The opening sentence in the lead has a "dubious – discuss" inline tag. A "well-written" article would not likely have this.  -- Otr500 (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues and classification