Talk:Lists of Jews

message: Is there a similar list about christian, muslim and hindi people? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.224.176.181 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 27 November 2005.
*There is a misunderstanding here, Jewish is not just a religion it is an ethnicity too, and yes there are many lists for other ethnicities such as African Americans etc. Arniep 23:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lists for EVERY major American ethnicity. If there weren't before than there sure are now, I've spent the last few months adding any absent ones. There are also lists and categories for all religions.Vulturell 23:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

text: Jews as an ethnicity are long extinct, all trace their ancestry to Europe, and no relation to ancient kingdom of israel. 2A00:23CC:B589:EF01:5CC0:E2C2:7804:9E62 (talk) 02:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Are the Jews a religious group?

message: It is incompatible with law of many countries to have a list of people.--Nixer 18:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which law? In which countries? And have you noticed the message at the top that previous attempts to delete this have failed? JFW | T@lk 08:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably pointless to say this, but I agree that these lists should be deleted. I find them deeply problematic, ranging from there being no agreed or consistent definition; to identifying people as Jews who may not see themselves as Jews and who no one else may see as a Jew either; and then there's the issue that for some of the names on these lists, the only online sources are Stormfront, Islamist sites and Wikipedia mirrors, which I think should make us question what we're doing. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the many ethnicity-based lists here would be a violation of Wikipedia:No original research, but of course no one here would ever care to bring up any similar concerns on List of Italian Americans or List of Norwegian-Americans. Same old, same old. Vulturell 04:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Vulturell: Jews are different. They are both a religion and an "ethnicity" (compare the Jew and Judaism articles), and they have been the victims of ongoings persecutions for most of their history (or do you deny that?). You do seem to denigrate ("Same old, same old" are your words) and deliberately ignore the fact that, unfortunately, historically Jews have been victims of genocidal Anti-Semitism as in the Holocaust when being identified as a Jew, no matter how remotely, could result in a death sentence (or do you wish to ignore and belittle that as well?) That is why Jew Watch is so obnoxious and dangerous. This matter is of particular concern to any people who are alive and find themslves on lists or categories that they may not want to be on. There are some pretty nasty debates going on about similar and related issues right now on Wikipedia concerning people who do not wish to have articles about them published on Wikipedia, so I wouldn't poo-poo it so quickly if I were you. IZAK 06:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, of course part of my point is we have many religion-based lists too, etc. etc. i.e. List_of_Catholic_American_Actors, etc. etc. So, your point here was, that basically we should delete the List of Jews and keep every other ethnicity and religion based list? Not a valid point. Armenians were slaughtered in the millions about a hundred years ago, no one is complaining about List of Armenians. Oh, and for the lovva, don't follow the cliche and go around reverting every one of my edits (well, every one that had to do with this subject matter, as per usual). Anyway, frankly, I'm not going to get involved in this discussion again. I am in sincere doubt that there is anything we could possibly say to each other that we both don't already know. Counter-productive. Thank you for your vote on the Somerhalder hoax, btw, I can't believe it was on here for three months without anyone noticing. I guess people were too busy debating this endless topic. Vulturell 06:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't Forget Hefner's GF: Barbie Benton (Born Barbara Kline) 

message: We should delete this because this is ovious racism. It is incompatible with law of many countries.--Nixer 18:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Which law? In which countries? And have you noticed the message at the top that previous attempts to delete this have failed? JFW | T@lk 08:42, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's probably pointless to say this, but I agree that these lists should be deleted. I find them deeply problematic, ranging from there being no agreed or consistent definition; to identifying people as Jews who may not see themselves as Jews and who no one else may see as a Jew either; and then there's the issue that for some of the names on these lists, the only online sources are Stormfront, Islamist sites and Wikipedia mirrors, which I think should make us question what we're doing. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Actually, EVERY SINGLE ONE of the many ethnicity-based lists here would be a violation of Wikipedia:No original research, but of course no one here would ever care to bring up any similar concerns on List of Italian Americans or List of Norwegian-Americans. Same old, same old. Vulturell 04:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Vulturell: Jews are different. They are both a religion and an "ethnicity" (compare the Jew and Judaism articles), and they have been the victims of ongoings persecutions for most of their history (or do you deny that?). You do seem to denigrate ("Same old, same old" are your words) and deliberately ignore the fact that, unfortunately, historically Jews have been victims of genocidal Anti-Semitism as in the Holocaust when being identified as a Jew, no matter how remotely, could result in a death sentence (or do you wish to ignore and belittle that as well?) That is why Jew Watch is so obnoxious and dangerous. This matter is of particular concern to any people who are alive and find themslves on lists or categories that they may not want to be on. There are some pretty nasty debates going on about similar and related issues right now on Wikipedia concerning people who do not wish to have articles about them published on Wikipedia, so I wouldn't poo-poo it so quickly if I were you. IZAK 06:01, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, of course part of my point is we have many religion-based lists too, etc. etc. i.e. List_of_Catholic_American_Actors, etc. etc. So, your point here was, that basically we should delete the List of Jews and keep every other ethnicity and religion based list? Not a valid point. Armenians were slaughtered in the millions about a hundred years ago, no one is complaining about List of Armenians. Oh, and for the lovva, don't follow the cliche and go around reverting every one of my edits (well, every one that had to do with this subject matter, as per usual). Anyway, frankly, I'm not going to get involved in this discussion again. I am in sincere doubt that there is anything we could possibly say to each other that we both don't already know. Counter-productive. Thank you for your vote on the Somerhalder hoax, btw, I can't believe it was on here for three months without anyone noticing. I guess people were too busy debating this endless topic. Vulturell 06:37, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete these lists 

message: For anyone seriously working on this page - please check out Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Lists by religion-ethnicity and profession. User:IZAK is rallying to mass-delete these lists, so feel free to vote if you've worked on them and want them kept (or even if you haven't worked on them and want them kept). Vulturell 20:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive noticed these lists don't include (in)famous criminals, perverts, traitors, etc. Bugsy Segal of the Jewish Mafia for example. I haven't looked to see if there are lists of famous terrorists of various races, religions or nationalities. But all these bad guys should be included according to our neutrality & balance & "due weight" rules. Fourtildas 06:45, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trouble

message: I just reverted Sheynhertz-Unbayg's edit by mistake, so I reverted myself, without commenting on whether I think the edits were good or bad, because I've no idea. Sorry for any confusion. SlimVirgin (talk) 10:31, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: My revert

message: Guys, i need help:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muslim politicians
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Muslim athletes
Lets stop this anti-list deletion trend, before all lists are consumed. 
Peace!
--Striver 04:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, an article being "controversial" does not mean that there are grounds for deletion. I suggest you read up on wikipedia policy again. Yid613 18:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Salam/Sholom

message: I noticed that this list was up for deletion almost a year ago. While my personal view point thinks that listing people by religion or birth place is moot point for an encyclopaedia, i feel that a list like this can be a useful "tool" while navigating wikipedia. The problem is, wikipedia is not supposed to be a collection of lists. Wouldn't this list be much better as a category? Same with list of christians, catholics, italian americans etc. I mean, honestly, is this list really necessary when we have categories? Masterhatch 20:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: List of High Priests of Israel is a list of Jews, should it be added?  Jon513 11:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: . -- -- -- 23:36, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  adding a list 

message: This article includes lists of people by nationality. e.g. List of British Jews.--Runcorn 20:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of people by nationality 

message: Why has the list of Jewish Nobel Laureates been deleted?
Phtran72 00:30, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second that - why has that list been deleted? Is it unreasonable for me to want to find out accomplishments of people from my religious/ethnic group?:: Monitorer 10:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

text: It appears that the list of Jewish Nobel Laureates was deleted during a mass deletion of lists of Christian/Muslim/Atheist/Humanist/Hindu Nobel Laureates.  Reasons given were that Nobel prizes are not awarded on the basis of religion, and that there is no obvious connection between a Laureate's work and her religion.  My objections are, firstly, Jews are more an ethnicity than a religious grouping.  And, secondly, it is precisely because of the assumption that there is no connection between being Jewish and winning Nobel prizes that the List of Jewish Nobel Laureates should be kept, since it completely shatters that assumption.  If being Jewish is not a factor in winning Nobel Prizes, then why do Jews make up 20-25% of Nobel Laureates despite being just 0.2% of the world's population?  (I hope I'm remembering those numbers correctly.)  This is a very interesting fact that should be documented, as it is the focus of much debate and scholarship. Phtran72 12:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure what was happening in 2007, but I restored the wikilink to List of Jewish Nobel laureates. Blue Rasberry 00:47, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Nobel Laureates 

message: Hey I think its a great idea to add a section dedicated to Jewish Jewelers. There are many prominent Jewish Jewelers out there; enough to make a whole sction about. Im new to wikipedia but I think someone with more knowledge can create this.Levi Seigel (talk) 02:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish Jewelers 

message: I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews.Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:23, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: *Ken Levine (2K Boston)
*Jason Rubine (Naughty Dog)
*Irving Bromberg (SEGA)
*Michael Kogan (Taito)
*Jordan Weisman
*Jordan Mechner
*Ken Silverman
*Ralph H. Baer
*Doug Lowenstein  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.249.248 (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Video Games Designers/Producers etc.

message: Does anyone else think this article should be moved to "List of Notable Jews". 
Seeing a link to "List of Jews" was a little strange for me (i'm sorry if this has been discussed before, I didn't see any other topics that IMMIEDIETLY looked like they were regarding the name).
30daysinAKK (talk) 02:51, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Req: Move 

message: I know this has been pointed out (many times) before, but why a list of e.g. Hispanic baseball players would be pointless and kind of racist, but these are not? Can't see any difference...
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.148.214.126 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 9 December 2013‎
:I tend to agree.  Beyond that, they're useless lists.  Toddst1 (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Wikipedia has the exact same pages for Lists of Muslims, List of Hindus, and others, and there are even some lists of Hisanics as well. So there's also this one, and nothing is racist about it whatsoever, and, of course, it's only your own opinion which thinks the page is pointless. Keep in mind that any person can be a Jew either by convertion, religion, or just ethnicity. -Shalom11111 (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I see: WP:OSE.  Toddst1 (talk) 00:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think these lists are important because they help us take care of orphaned articles. So, if the subject of the orphaned article is a Jew, just add his name to the appropriate list of Jews; if he's a Muslim, add him to the list of Muslims, and so on. -- -- -- 07:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. I also don't see why they would be considered racist. -- -- -- 08:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Aint these lists kind of racist?