Talk:Al-Uzza

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Do you think works of Robert Morey will really do it for this article? Heck no, so let's avoid that. Refutation is here: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Sources/Allah/moongod.html
As for the 'satanic verses', someone delete that part.
refutation: http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/satanic_verses.htm
this satanic verses doesnt even make any sence!!!!
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The link to the following highly colored Islamist site has been suppressed by a recent visitor: Those Are The High Flying Claims
:It's an Islamic site, or a site by a Muslim, not an Islamist site. Islamist is a word used by some people to describe political movements based on Islam, like Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. 
:Funny, this article has the phrase "moon god" seven times (repeated like a ritual) even though there is no proof that Hubal was a moon god. By the way, al-Lah would mean God with the capital "g,"  Since Hubal was one of the idol in Mecca, wouldn't he be called (illah, "god" with small "g", not al-Lah)? OneGuy 04:45, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason Wetman wants to recount the entire Satanic Verses episode  here. I don't have any idea why. I agree that the whole section is irrelevant and is already covered in the Satanic Verses article OneGuy 06:38, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  older discussions 

message: In response to a request from User:Mustafaa posted at my Userpage: "You state that Uzza, al-Lat, and Manat were believed to be daughters of Hubal. The source for that claim, however, is unclear; the Kitab al-Asnam, which you link to, makes no such claim, and neither does Ibn Ishaq in the Satanic Verses episode. Would you care to provide a suitable source?" (Mustafaa 23:01, 11 Feb 2005)
I have reviewed the entry and find that passages based on well-known Islamic sources have been deleted from the entry since I last looked at it.  
In response to Mustafaa's request, I have disambiguated references to people, added links, attributed statements in the new manner recommended for Wikipedia and added to References. 
I have removed here the following text in the hopes that it can be brought up to standards if it is to be re-edited into the article:
:Uzza according to a recent study (source) of the complicated evidence, is believed to have been introduced into Arabia from Mesopotamia, and to have been the moon goddess of North Arabia. If this is the correct interpretation of her character, she would be the female counterpart of the moon deity of South Arabia, Almaqah, Wadd, 'Amm —or Sin as he was also called to the north, in Sumer, if the difference were only the oppositeness of gender. By further speculation, Mount Sinai— solely based on an etymology as a feminine form of Sin—  would then have been one of the centers of the worship of this northern moon god or goddess (Finnegan 1952).
I am not convinced that Finegan would recognize these statements; a quote might help.
I have removed for Discussion the following assertion: "Some Western scholars like John Burton also question its authenticity" is reference to the notorious delted suras.  Is this in reference to Burton's The Collection Of The Qur'an, 1977? Does this accurately reflect what Burton has said of Uzza?
I expect that User:Mustafaa will have many references to add himself. And a number of supported statements to round out a neutral and balanced entry. Much more apropos ones, too, than my ignorant efforts. An entry for Kitab al-Asnam would be very welcome, since he seems thoroughly familiar with it. --Wetman 01:20, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See J. Burton, "Those Are The High-Flying Cranes", Journal Of Semitic Studies, 1970, Volume 15, No. 2, p. 265. That's where that Islamic apologist site got the title of his page too OneGuy 03:32, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

text: Also, you never answered why you want to recount the Satanic Verses story on this page again, when that is already covered on Satanic Verses page? (see that question above). Only someone who doesn't understand this topic would so confidentially claim that only "liars" don't believe the story (that's what you told me on your page). That tells me that you don't have a clue about this topic. OneGuy 10:08, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A request for references

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The pagan gods of Arabia [53.19-24]
[53.19] (Among the idols) have you considered allat and al'uzza,
[53.20] and, another, the third manat?
[53.21] What, have you males, and He females!
[53.22] That is indeed an unjust division.
[53.23] They are but names, named by you and your fathers. Allah has not sent
down any authority for them. They follow conjecture and their soul's desire, even
though the guidance of their Lord has come to them.
[53.24] Is the human to have whatever he fancies?
See! Those are the Real Verses! This ARticle should be deleted for not complying with NPOV! --Obaidz96 (talk • contribs • &site= count) 01:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

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message: Have added brief reference to Susan Krone's proposal of the fusion of the identities of Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza, and its citation elsewhere.Cpsoper (talk) 00:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krone's proposal 

message: I've seen the name "al-‘Uzzá" written with an acute accent elsewhere too; I was wondering what the reason is for using an acute rather than a macron ("al-‘Uzzā"). This looks odd when we mention "al-Manāt" in the same sentence, but perhaps there's a reason I don't know about (i.e. maybe the acute indicates something other than/in addition to vowel length). Thanks in advance! Q·L·1968 ☿ 17:31, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acute versus macron 

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message: Are the pre Islamic Goddess and the Enochian Uzza, actually the same? (The Enochian Uzza exists in Islam in relation to Harut and Marut as well, but I doubt that they are all the same)--VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question about the subject 

message: This section, especially the one about "the angel", seems not to be about the Arabian goddess. The source referred to (Davidson) talks about the angel Uzza, which is related to a range of angels known from Enochian literature, such as Aza, Azazel, Shemyaza, and some of these angels are also related to Samael (because "rebellious angels are sometimes merged with other ones). But it is unlikely this is related to the Arabian goddess. There further seems to be no source supporting that the deity Uzza., is the same as the fallen angel, or that they influenced each other. If there is some evidence, that Jewish angels influenced the main deities of pre-Islamic Arabian pantheon it should be cited well. Otherwise, I would actually tend to remove theis sections, because the name seems to be the only thing they share. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 14:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on oher religions section