Talk:Ziad Jarrah/Archive 1

message: Many sources state that his date of birth was May 11 1975, not 1974.
: Agreed, 203. I've changed his DOB just now. 220.240.192.97 07:38, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)

message: The article states: "According to the August 8, 2003 analysis of the plane's cockpit recordings by the United States investigators, Jarrah was told by a fellow hijacker to crash the plane into the Pennsylvania farmland because of a passenger uprising in the plane."
Is there a source for this? I'd never heard that before. Quadell 20:52, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: source?

message: My first self-nom. I see "Remember 9/11" stickers all over the place, but very few people know anything about the perpetrators. This is a detailed biography of one of the more interesting of the hijackers. Info culled from the 9/11 report, Congressional testimony, and several conspiracy sites for good measure. I listed this on Peer Review several weeks ago, and no one had any improvements to suggest. What do you think?  – Quadell (talk) (help) 12:21, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)
*Object. Some of the spacing looks funny on Mozilla Firefox (notably at the second image, where there's a giant gap between two paragraphs). No references, either. 219.93.174.110 13:14, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ziad Jarrah]]: Featured Article Candidacy Discussion

message: This paragraph is unsourced: "Reportedly, Ziad Jarrah and Mohammed Atta had several conflicts during this period. Atta was a strict, severe man who would not even listen to music other than prayer chants, whereas Jarrah was lax, westernized, and had frequent contacts with his family and girlfriend. Their disagreements appear to have been resolved by the day of the attack, however"
Where is this from?  Other reports have suggested that Atta was not quite so devout, and at least one reporter (Daniel Hopsicker) claims that he drank, did drugs, had a stripper girlfriend and listened to rap music.  The bartender at Shuckums apparently claims Atta got drunk with the rest of them that night and that the story that he just drank juice is wrong.  Hopsicker's story may not be true but this claim that Atta would not even listen to music seems unlikely given what we know of his activities in florida.  Anyway do we have a source for any of this?  I really haven't researched it other than Hopsicker's book, which I take with a grain of salt (though I have seen footage of the interviews with Amanda Keller, Atta's supposed stripper girlfriend, and she seems perfectly credible to me).  In any case lack of sourcing is a problem for several of the claims in this article. --csloat 5 July 2005 22:38 (UTC)
:Since I have the same qualms about no sources for the statement, four months later, I'm going to remove it. Sherurcij 00:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atta as teetotaler? 

message: I know it's customary on the 9/11 hijacker's articles to use the FBI-released photo as the primary photo for the article, but I'm struggling with whether that should be the case on the notable exception of Jarrah.  He was distinct from all the other hijackers, and it seems that should be reflected on first glance at the page, imho.  But of course, I'm interested in hearing other's opinions on the matter, since I acknowledge it's fairly POV either way.  (A friendly smiling light-skinned Jarrah, or a brooding, angry-looking dark-skinned Jarrah). Sherurcij 22:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: The hijacker that day signed his name as "Zaid Jarrahi", which is very similar but not identical to Ziad Jarrah. His family claims he never spelled his name that way. While it doesn't sound unbelievable (esp considering the lease controversy), I can't find any reference for this.  It says "that day" which implies it was at the airport, but the only hits I can find seem to be Wiki-mirrors.  Help? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 12:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source for this?

message: I read the letter but couldn't find anything about scuba diving instructions. --129.13.186.1 21:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THanks for the note, you made me do a little more research and I found this article which says The package also contained papers about Jarrah's flight training and scuba-diving instruction - so I guess there were other papers in the package than just his note to her.  Thanks! Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The letter indeed does not contain references to scuba diving future meetings in this world. Beyond any doubt  the letter can thus be considered a good-bye letter. He even suggests her to marry one day, by writing Dont be afraid of marrying again  and Consider who you are and who would deserve you. --84.191.165.182 07:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If (either of?) you would like to translate the contents of the letter yourselves, and paste them here, it would of course be very much appreciated.  My German, sadly, does not extend much past Colonel Klink territory.  Thanks! Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The original German letter is available here and an English translation is available here. I've only studied German at school for about seven years, but after a superficial glance I would say the translation looks kosher. —Gabbe 11:19, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fascinating, thanks. It sure looks like a suicide note to me. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 14:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Some have disputed whether the letter was a suicide note, since it referred to future meetings and contained scuba diving instructions." 

message: Thompson, Paul. (2002). Evidence of a second Ziad Jarrah. Retrieved October 11, 2004. --Fluppy 18:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Reference Link