Talk:Free Papua Movement

message: I'm going to move this from Organisasi Papua Merdeka to Free Papua Movement, in keeping with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Further, that's what it's called in english-language media, based on the number of hits in the past year in LexisNexis:
* "papua freedom movement" - 1 article
* "papuan freedom movement" - no articles
* "organisasi papua merdeka" - no articles
* "papuan independence organization" - no articles
* "free papua movement" - 110 articles
* "free papua organization" - 47 articles (so I'll make a redir for this one)
- Cdc 19:45, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving this page

message: First sentence 
"(...)which is currently under Indonesian control as the provinces of Papua and West Irian Jaya"
should be corrected to 
"(...)which is currently under Indonesian control as the province of Papua (former Irian Jaya)"
:That's not accurate, because former Irian Jaya province comprised of today's Papua province AND West Irian Jaya province. There was a split. --Khoikhoi 19:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: I dont have time to integrate the following information into the article, but it's here for anyone who's interested. Papua fighters promise non-violent future http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1699050.htm 130.195.86.37 05:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks I hadn't read this. I appreciate the heads-up. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 12:20, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OPM Disarm

message: "The Free Papua Movement (OPM) is not the all-pervasive revolutionary organization some believe it to be. ... anti-government dissidents have virtually no liaison with each other, receive no outside assistance or direction, and are generally incapable of mounting an insurrection in the face of the relatively large Indonesian military establishment in West Irian. Grievances and anti-government of Indonesia (GOI) sentiment are quite real, however, and there is little question that a great majority of the non-Stone Age Irianese favor a termination of Indonesian rule. Opposition to the GOI stems from economic deprivation over the years, military repression and capriciousness, and maladministration. Limited efforts of the GOI to rectify these problems to date are generally "too little and too late," and it is uncertain whether the Indonesians will actually try to ameliorate the sources of local discontent in coming years. ... The Free Papua Movement (OPM) is widely believed to be the core of opposition to the Indonesian Government in West Irian. But it is difficult to track down the OPM as an organization, although not because its security is tight or people unwilling to talk. On the contrary, everyone talks about the OPM; it has few, if any, secrets, and many Irianese proudly proclaim they are "members" of the OPM. A foreigner travelling in West Irian has no difficulty in contacting anti-government activists. They stop you on the street and groups of them gather around when you visit a native village; in short, no one is reluctant to discuss the OPM and their reasons for disliking Indonesians. One American missionary explains this by saying that "the Papuans simply are unable to keep a secret." Of course, information known to foreigners is also available to the Indonesian authorities, the Army, and even to the most casual observer. ... Regarding the magnitude of the opposition to Indonesian rule, probably a decided majority of the Irianese people, and possibly 85 to 90 percent, are in sympathy with the Free Papua cause or at least intensely dislike Indonesians."
- U.S. Ambassador Francis Joseph Galbraith (1913-1986) June 1969
I don't mind having quotes, but this is simply too long, and is being used instead of writing an article. See WP:Quotation on proper usage. Mostlyharmless (talk) 07:32, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Quote

message: Some of the information deleted on the article during the last edits borderlines vandalism. I understand the article may have some issues of original research, but that is not solved with more original research.
For example,it is a known fact that some entities question the validity of the referendum regarding the integration of Papua. A source is provided for the United Nations views on some irregularities. As long as the challenge is presented as a claim, there is no POV violation. It is in fact a matter of bad faith to justify with a lack of source when one is fairly familiar with the case. This fact was presented with the expression "...many Papuans and representatives of foreign governments, claim the result was rigged by the Indonesian Government."
Other edits are plain wrong in their justification. We are free to point in the external links section to videos on youtube regarding the topic of this case. This is not a documentary. There was no copyvio. The youtube is able to detect such problems by itself. The object in question is some clips taken from the news for the purpose of public discussion.
Also, the question of raising the morning star flag as the sufficient condition to be persecuted by law is well supported by the sources. It is in fact the description of the act as "agitation" that renders the subject POV.
Other edits are more of a question of the editor's style. Describing the organization for Papua as an indigenous rights organization that is fighting for self-determination is perfectly legit. I reverted the edit, given the overall goals of the editor.
I believe these edits were simple done in ill faith, and we need to discuss this further. Maziotis (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not accusse good faith editors of vandalism or of "ill faith". Do you need a link to the policy on assuming good faith? If you cannot assume good faith, then there's no point in a "discussion". --Merbabu (talk) 23:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Your hard and indiscriminate revert has removed well referenced and cited info. Please restore the removed referenced info as a minimum. --Merbabu (talk) 23:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The edits that you reverted did not "solve original research with more original research"; it solved original research with sourcing. The characterization of OPM as a separatist group, an anti-globalization group, and a terrorist group (I intentionally left the last one out because I know such designations can be controversial) were attributed to sources like the Global Terrorism Database and the Federation of American Scientists. Your preferred characterization of OPM as an "indigenous rights organization", by contrast, is definitely not the phrasing of reliable sources. The YouTube uploader of the BBC clip is simply not the BBC, so it does look to be a copyvio. If you have a problem with a word like "agitation", then you can change it to something like "demonstration". All these issues can and should be discussed separately, as the only glue that holds them together are your unfounded aspersions. Quigley (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Further, hard reverts of Quigley's edits (which were substantial and far more extensive than what you've described above) are not constructive. If you want to change, then tweak Quigley's edits - preferably with discussion. Don't throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater - especially, when you are throwing out referenced content and re-adding unreferenced content. --Merbabu (talk) 00:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 
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message: Does this group want to join with Papua New Guinea (and thus unify the entire island of New Guinea under one flag) or do they seek to become an independent country (in which case New Guinea would be a bi-national island, like Hispaniola)? Difluoroethene (talk) 01:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa, I'm no expert, but I think that quote was several decades ago.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.195.95 (talk) 09:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: I've removed the two banner tags from the article as, to a casual reader like myself, this appears to have regular citations to reliable sources, and I saw no explanation on this page for the tags. Perhaps they're just a bit out of date? In any case, the article seems advanced enough that inline "citation needed" tags would probably do the job for remaining dubious claims. If I'm wrong, though, please feel free to revert me. Cheers Khazar (talk) 07:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR, Citation tags 

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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly, Volume 59
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Title	Pacific Islands Monthly: PIM., Volume 59, Issues 1-10
Publisher	Pacific Publications, 1988
Original from	the University of Virginia
Digitized	Apr 8, 2009
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Rajmaan (talk) 19:05, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  More sources 

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message: I am removing the word "secede" which is a political POV. I am instead using the description of being "decolonisation" movement which is factual. Logically the OPM or Free West Papua movement formed in 1965 could not be a succession movement from the 1969 Indonesian political claim of sovereignty. The movement continues and appears to have always demanded decolonization and self-determination; there does not appear to be credible evidence that the movement views its intent as secession. Please note that I refer to the Indonesian assertion as a "political claim" because the Republic has never made a claim of sovereignty to the Court (ICJ) or inside the United Nations since 1962 when it legally abandoned all claims to the territory by signing a trusteeship agreement and voting in support of General Assembly resolution 1752 to approve said agreement.Daeron (talk) 17:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: "On 21 January 2012, armed men, believed to be members of OPM, shot and killed a civilian who was running a roadside kiosk. He was a trans migrant from West Sumatra."  What is a "trans migrant"?  This possibly implies something that is not meant.  The word "trans" does not appear in the linked article (which is in English, not Indonesian). --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. A participant in this scheme: Transmigration program. Regards  Davidelit (Talk)  23:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "trans migrant" 

message: I've never seen them express a desire for West Papua to stay with Indonesia.
vap (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Papua New Guinea is an opponent to Free Papua? 

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message: I don't think that these countries/others should be listed in the infobox without description of their support (or otherwise) in the main article. And certainly not without a reliable source. --Merbabu (talk) 10:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox "supporters" and "allies"