Talk:Sales taxes in the United States

message: VAT (value added tax) should not be implemented by the United States. I know the VAT is to help raise tax revenue and  lower over consumption  by Americans. However, U.S. is trying create a tariff that won’t reduce trade deficits. The states should be the ones to levy such actions. I suggest a multi-tiered sales tax structure that would encourage local, state and federal consumption and discourages foreign imports.  Of course, exemptions for food and energy will have to be factored in.  The current sales tax in Arkansas is 6.25 percent for everything. City and County varies. Under the new plan the state tax could be as high 12 percent. However, the highest  percent would be for products made 100 percent overseas. 
State sales tax structure…
* 12%      On imports (100 percent outside the US)
* 8%        On all other imports 60% -99.9% made outside the US.
* 5.5%     Domestic products 
* 4.00%   For domestic goods made in Arkansas. 
You could even take this further to the local level; however, adding three new sales tax brackets is enough.  Overall, Americans will never buy what supports American jobs unless it is beneficial to them at the moment. (like saving money) I am just as guilty of buying cheap plastic crap from China.  And would I bitch if the U.S. government tried to instate a VAT tax. However, I would complain less to this tax structure because it's so geared to U.S. jobs.  But I would in the short term pay more in taxes.  Any suggestions? 
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:Mark.camp (talk) 01:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: VAT, Imports, Trade Deficits

message: The section on Chicago sales taxes that says it is not 10.5% as of July 1st has a reference to #63, which is unrelated to what is being said.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.158.134.122 (talk) 16:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Likely true - Please edit it if you find any errors.  This article is a difficult one to keep up to date - in many cases, we rely on editors from each state to notice changes in the tax code and make the needed changes in the article.   Morphh  (talk) 13:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you see something that's not accurate then make the corrections and cite your source for the correct data. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 21:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have initiated work on overhauling this section.  Broad tax changes take effect on December 2, 2010.  I'll finish things up as quick as I can.Toropop (talk) 13:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Re: "As of December 2, 2010, sales taxes cannot be applied to unprepared food items," I just got off the phone with DOR (12/29/2010) asking about why bananas were taxed at convenience stores and Starbucks.  The representative said that if 75% of their sales are prepared food and/or(?) otherwise taxable, then all of their food is taxable.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbackstrom (talk • contribs) 22:28, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

text: My guess would be that it was written to keep states from imposing a tariff on goods sent from another state. So California,for instance,couldn't protect it's own merchants by taxing imports from Nevada etc.76.95.210.66 (talk) 01:24, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The states don't "get around" that provision.  State taxes have been struck down for it.  See, e.g., Richfield oil Corp. v. State Board of Equalization, 329 US 69 (1946), whick struck down a Calaifornia sales tax on exported oil. Oldtaxguy (talk) 23:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs Updates 

message: The information given for the distribution of the 7.25% in California does not agree with the PDF I added as a source documenting how the structure of the tax is criticized.  But that PDF may be out of date.  I will update this from official BOE sources shortly. -- Beland 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Maybe someone will take interest in the other states; this info is pretty easy to find on the web.  Personally, I was alarmed at how complicated the California sales tax exemption system is, and how many different groups get special treatment. -- Beland 04:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion

message: I would like to contribute to the referencing of this article. References would be helpful not just to enhance credibility, but to make it easier for future editors to maintain the page. I happen to have a list US State tax department names and links, such as: Nevada Department of Taxation, and a few links to sites with info on all states. There seem to be two approaches. (1) Put a list of all fifty departments and links in a references section at the end. (2) Put the link for each department in the appropriate state section, and create a references section only for links to sites with info on all or multiple states. I propose approach (2). Thoughts?--Niku 01:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Approach 2 is much more useful.  EncMstr 05:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Before I spend the entire night changing the fractions (I changed one section before I realized that they're everywhere), I want a second opinion.  I feel that the fractions are ugly, and should be shown as decimals instead.  Here's an excerpt from the Florida section, with the second being without fractions:
This is 1% in most counties, ½% in many, 1½% in very few, and ¼% in one county.
This is 1% in most counties, .5% in many, 1.5% in very few, and .25% in one county.
Comments? koolman2 11:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fractions have the strength of being clearer reading in my computer's default display typeface.  But otherwise I agree, the fractions seem old-fashioned, especially shown with a slant line (instead of horizontal) in whatever typeface they're appearing in.  In .25%, the decimal is so small, at first glance it looks like 25%, so—at a minimum—I request that those be written 0.25% to make the decimal more obvious.   EncMstr 15:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on the 0.25% and such.  I suppose that I'll get started on switching them all over!  koolman2 04:13, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

text: They're all switched now.  There weren't as many I thought there were earlier.  koolman2 04:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fractions are Ugly 

message: Hi there. I've been working on the California section of this page and I believe the bulk of the section needs to be moved into its own article (namely Sales and use tax in California). I saw the discussion above about where to include references and I think that the use of summary style is actually the right way to go. That is, the references should go in the complete article for the state and this page should have only summaries for states with lengthy discussions. The  template can be used to link to the detail articles consistently. Using summary style will allow this article to remain browsable while providing an easily accessible place to find more detailed information about those states that have more information (including legal references, history, etc).
I am bringing this up for discussion because I thought it would be an interesting alternative and because I am waiting for a response from the California State Board of Equalization about a couple of fact checks notices I added. I plan on making the change once I have their response and would appreciate nobody moving the California information until the BOE has had a chance to look at it (I know I should have used the "permanent link" feature). The note I sent to the BOE can be found here. Mike Dillon 01:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary style 

message: hi, I think there should be a difference noted between prepared food (i.e. restaurant), and food that you buy in a grocery store, which is not taxed.--Pueblonative 14:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales tax on food in Colorado 

message: I've removed all references to this or that state not having income tax. It is totally irrelevant to this article. Mike Dillon 15:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Income tax 

message: The 7% Sales Tax has NOT yet taken effect, Currently the Governor and the legislature are working on an exact date that the new tax will take effect. Please do not make any reversions or changes back to 7% until an official announcement and you can provide a link to that announcement. Until then the sales tax in New Jersey is still 6%. Misterrick 03:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales tax in New Jersey 

message: I know some indian reservations don't have to charge a sales tax on things sold on the reservation, should this be mentioned? - 71.34.10.45 01:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Reservations 

message: I'm adding the local sales taxes for Duluth Minnesota, since it is one of the larger cities in MN and has an additional local sales tax.  There is a 1% sales tax on taxable items, and an additional 2.25% on "served food and beverages."  Feel free to complain, adjust or remove if necessary :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.107.60 (talk) 17:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duluth Sales Tax 

message: I've been told that Tourists can reclaim sales tax, but have searched the internet, but get referred to the Income Tax filing.
The wikipedia section doesn't cover this, and was wondering if there is a site or form to fill out?
--71.126.175.16 19:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking from my own experience, many times upon presentation of an Oregon driver's license, merchants will waive the sales tax at the time of purchase. This usually means more paperwork and time before getting out of the store, so it's really only worth it for larger purchases. 192.55.52.2 (talk) 10:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tourists Reclaiming Sales Tax 

message: What's with the incomplete state-by-state table? 99.225.73.152 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

message: This paragraph:
"In addition to the local 1% sales tax added to Duluth sales, Duluth imposes an additional 2.75% tax on all food, beverage and alcohol sales at restaurants for a total of 12.25%, which distinguishes Duluth as having the highest broad-based, cumulative sales tax rate in the United States."
is inaccurate. 
 
Duluth imposes an additional 2.75% tax on all food, beverage and alcohol sales -- 
The tax rate is 2.25%, not 2.75%, which is imposed on those establishments with sales exceeding $100,000.00 in an annual measuring period.  The correct rate was noted previously in the article.
a total of 12.25%, which distinguishes Duluth as having the highest broad-based, cumulative sales tax rate in the United States -- 
The tax rate of 12.25% is the correct rate on liquor sales (1.00%+2.25%=3.25% (city) and 6.50%+2.50%=9.00% (state)) in the City of Duluth, but the tax rate is only 9.75% on food/beverage sales (1.00%+2.25%=3.25 (city) and 6.50% (state)) in the City of Duluth.  This is not the highest cumulative sales tax rate in Minnesota, and therefore it is not the highest cumulative sales tax rate in the United States.  In downtown Minneapolis, the tax rate on liquor can be as high as 12.65% to 15.65% (0.50% Minneapolis sales tax, 3.00% Minneapolis liquor tax, 3.00% Minneapolis entertainment tax (assessed on food and drinks sold in public places during live performances) 6.50% MN sales tax, 2.50% MN liquor tax, 0.15% Hennepin County sales tax).  Based on the accuracy and limitations in the Wikipedia information, it is hard to say what tax rates might exist in places like Chicago, New York, Washington D.C., or Los Angeles, but I find it hard to believe that tax rates in Duluth or Minneapolis would exceed rates in those areas.
Also, the Wikipedia article does not account for all lodging taxes.  Many Minnesota cities impose a lodging tax that is not administered, nor disclosed, by the Minnesota Department of Revenue.  In the case of lodging, Duluth's highest rate is 13.00% (1.00%+2.50%+3.00%=6.50% (city) and 6.50% (state).  Again, this is less than the highest lodging rate of 13.15% charged by the City of Minneapolis.
- Source - City of Duluth Treasurer's Office
Tenthreeleader (talk) 16:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duluth Sales Tax Part Two 

message: Quoth the article:
:"North Carolina has a state-levied sales tax of 4.5%, effective October 1, 2008, with most counties adding an additional 2.5% tax, for a total tax of 7%. Mecklenburg County levies an additional 0.5% tax, which is directed towards funding the light rail system, for a total of 7.25%."
Um, 7+0.5\ne 7.25. Can someone knowledgeable please fix this? Thanks, Btyner (talk) 00:09, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed - Thanks Morphh  (talk) 4:07, 01 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  North Carolina 

message: I added a "citation needed" tag to the Maryland section to explain the statement: "Maryland added sales tax on Internet purchases and other mail items such as magazine subscriptions." There was no reference for this item as of this date.
I am puzzled about the "addition" of a tax on internet purchases. During the 17 years I worked for Maryland as a sales and use tax auditor, there was no exemption from the tax for merchandise purchased by mail order, telephone order, or other electronic means. So it's unclear to me what has changed, or whether there was even a need for a change. Perhaps the description of the change needs rewording, but without a reference I don't know what that should be.
Folklore1 (talk) 15:33, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maryland 

message: I'm confused about sales tax remittance. That is, say I am in Utah, and I sell something to someone in New York, and I'm required to collect sales tax from the New York resident on behalf of the state (and city?) of New York then where do I send the money that I collected? It seems crazy that I might have to send a thousand checks to a thousand cities. It seems even more ridiculous that I would have to fill out paperwork for a thousand cities. How does this really work in practice? KellyCoinGuy (talk) 18:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales Tax Remittance Question 

message: Hi there, I was here at the East Grand Forks Campbell Library [F] I'm confused about 
* Minneapolis - 7.75% I have been to buying and got receiver paper one time.
* Saint Paul - 7.75% I don't know never buy.
* Rochester - 7.05% I don't know never buy.
* Duluth - 7.85% I don't know never buy.
* East Grand Forks - 6.875% I have been to buying many times!
May 18, 2010 I went to Loan and Pawn in Minneapolis. I bought used bike. $49.00 + $3.81 I used calculator. That is 7.77 or 7.78% I living in Grand Forks, North Dakota - 6.75% Nearest East Grand Forks, Minnesota
Ross Degenstein (talk) 96.3.201.230 (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minnesota State Sale Tax 

message: To me as a non-expert reader, these two statements seem to be contradictory: 
"A sales tax is a tax at consumption..."
"They can be thought of as a flat tax on producers..."
It is my understanding that the first statement is correct and the second erroneous.  If sales tax were a tax on producers, then it would be paid by a producer when he sold to another business, and would be paid by a mail order business selling to an out-of-state buyer.  Neither is true.
The article on VAT states that VAT and sales tax are both consumption taxes, again contradictory to the second statement above.
Mark.camp (talk) 02:02, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with you there. This is more a definition of a VAT, a form of sales tax, then the sales taxes used in the United States (a tax at final retail sale).  The entry was added by an anon ip last month.  I'll remove it.  Morphh  (talk) 14:45, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency: Consumption tax vs tax on producer 

message: The Kansas sales tax figures are inconsistent and outdated. The table shows 8.65% as the maximum with local tax, but then mentions an 8.85% tax in Douglas county in the state-by-state breakdown. Neither of these is the highest anymore; Topeka recently added a half-percent sales tax, so the total is now 8.95%, which is not reflected on this page. I don't know where the information is supposed to come from for this page, I'll leave it for someone else to change.
FlyingScientist (talk) 08:53, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kansas Sales Tax 

message: Well, I live in nevada, and Im 99% sure that nevada does NOT charge on groceries /non-prepared food items. the table indicates that it does.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.160.131.17 (talk) 07:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  nevada groceries 

message: From the "Contents section"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.122.1.5 (talk) 21:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massachusetts is missing 

message: I have significantly enhanced the article, adding discussions of key areas, with some citations.  Additional citations would be helpful. I also downgraded the quality rating to C. The old article was little more than a list, and even with this enhancement I think it's only C class.  I also increased the priority. This article gets 5k hits per day, more than almost any other tax article. It needs to be a top priority. Normally I would post a draft, but the near total absence of real meat to the article and number of hits convinced me any expansion would be an improvement. As always, comments and additional enhancements welcome. On this front, I noted, but did not change, that there is linking to place names throughout the pre-enhancement article. Oldtaxguy (talk) 04:44, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't had a chance to look all the changes over, but thanks for the super addition.  I don't quite care for how the lead starts - it seems to go against some of our WP:LEAD guidelines.  Title should be present and highlighted in the first sentence or two.  It should start out with a definition and I don't think it does this clearly.  I'll think on how best to rephrase it. Morphh  (talk) 18:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I'll be enhancing over next week or so. PLEASE comment more when you get a chance, and I'll incorporate. Oldtaxguy (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major enhancement 

message: This article is overly long and too detailed as it is. I have removed several items of trivia relating to taxes in a specific place on a specific item. Also, I don't think we need detailed references to proposals for a VAT that have never been voted upon even at the committee level, so I removed those. Oldtaxguy (talk) 01:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much trivia 

message: Pennsylvania has an arcane method of taxation which taxes some items which are used for human cleanliness while exempting others.  For example, deodorant is non-taxable while anti-perspirant is taxable.
Not all soft drinks are taxable in PA.  Soda pop is taxable, while flavored non-carbonated drinks such as Gatorade are non-taxable. Bill S. (talk) 10:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think most states have similarly arcane rules.  Examples:  NJ taxes bike shorts but not regular shorts; difference is bike shorts have a padded insert.  Candy is taxable, unless it contains flour or requires refrigeration.  NY:  70% juice requirement for fruit drinks to be nontaxable; cold coffee is tax exempt, hot coffee is taxable if sold in a cup.  TX:  salad mixed by the retailer is taxable, but the salad ingredients are not.  Candy bars are taxable, but Bakers Chocolate bars are not.  CA: antacid tablets are taxable, but antacid liquids are not.  The list goes on and on, and is different in each state. Oldtaxguy (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pennsylvania taxes some items while not taxing similar items 

message: I plan to revert the table on "Metro" sales tax.  It adds almost nothing to an article that is far too long and detailed as it was. Comments? Oldtaxguy (talk) 20:23, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't bother me much either way.  I have no problem with it, but I have no attachment to it.  Morphh  (talk) 20:38, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of local table 

message: I have reverted the addition of a items to the policy issues section. The non-imposition of sales tax collection obligations absent nexus is an issue long settled by the US Supreme Court. The court has held (more than once) that the states cannot impose a tax or tax collection obligation on out of state persons unless the person has some connection with the state. This is not policy, it is constitutional law. Oldtaxguy (talk) 23:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Constitution grounds for non-imposition of tax are not policy issues 

message: The graph that was removed was re-added to the article. The material has a clear reference to a reliable source. Also, with images to see the full description and the full references you need to click on the image to get the full description page. For clarity, these references have now been placed in the description caption. Any further suggestions for improvement are appreciated. Guest2625 (talk) 00:10, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of reliably sourced material 

message: The section for West Virginia has a cited statement saying they were the first jurisdiction to impose a sales tax, however, later on in the "History" section, there is a cited statement claiming that distinction falls to Mississippi.  This apparent contradiction needs to be resolved. --Tckma (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradictory info 

message: The reference mentioned no such 10% limit.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.133.94.158 (talk • contribs) 
: There's no legal limit, but if you took at the tables on that site the highest general merchandise tax rate appears to be 13.5% in the parts of Arab in Cullman County (5% Arab tax + 4.5% Cullman tax + 4% Alabama Tax). --Ahecht (TALKPAGE) 14:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alabama sales tax limit removed 

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message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States#Rentals states that only Florida taxes rentals.  That might be true on the state level, but most larger Arizona cities impose what is legally called a "privilege tax", but commonly referred to as a sales tax, on all residential rentals.
See https://www.azdor.gov/Portals/0/Brochure/ResidentialRentalMatrix-2015.pdf
and http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2015/03/04/arizona-cities-fight-residential-rentals-bill-sales-tax/24380233/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.222.215.216 (talk) 18:56, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  residential "privilege" tax in AZ cities 

message: Very useful conjecture from 1990.
Thanks for including it as if it is relevant to anything beyond promoting a socioeconomic agenda.
Wikipedia the great chronicler of epic liberal social fail.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 (talk) 08:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effective sales tax by income 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

message: So interesting yet makes me wonder why those particular states don't have to or choose to adhere to national "law" ; like what kinda deal did they make, with whom and when for this to be Mshartdreams (talk) 06:20, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What national law? There is no national sales tax legislation, it is all up to the individual states (and the smaller jurisdictions within them). --Khajidha (talk) 12:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Curiosity catalyst 

message: "If merchants file and pay their sales and use tax on time, they may subtract 1/2 percent of the tax collected"
I assume -- but do not know -- that this is supposed to be 1/2 percent of the taxable sales. As written, it is 0.5% of the 6.25%.
Example: Taxable sales of $100,000. $6,250 collected. As written, the discount would be 0.5% of the $6,250 = $31.25. If it's what I think it is, it would be 0.5% of the $100,000 = $500.00.
The source given for the section is a listing of Texas tax forms (so the section is based on a primary source). I personally do not feel confident re-writing this myself. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:20, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Texas on time discount. 

message: It's unclear whether by "Sales tax" the tax on tobacco, alcohol (spirits, beer & wine), gas, & phone service is included. In the sections on some states, it is mentioned, while in others it is not; IMHO, taxes in these areas should not be included. For example, although Oregon has no general sales tax, it does have a tax on those 4 items, but there is no mention of them in the article. (Although there is of lodging taxes, which is applied in many municipalities.) -- llywrch (talk) 22:54, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion about Sales Tax 

message: Based on :File:State Sales Taxes.webp, it looks like the highest sales tax anywhere in the country is being charged by a locality in Illinois, but I can't find sources that say which. (As of 2021, rather than 2013 as the factoid in the intro currently has.) -- Beland (talk) 02:06, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Highest in the country 

message: There are blank cells for "Intangibles" in Guam and Puerto Rico. This color isn't explained in the legend, and I'm not sure if it means the values here are unknown, if taxes don't extend to them (in which case, shouldn't they be purple?) or something else. -- Beland (talk) 04:15, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guam and PR