Talk:Sonic the Hedgehog/Archive 1

message: Thanks for the chronology, people!  That really came in handy.  But where does Sonic Pinball Party fit in?
It wouldn't fit in anywhere, there is no storyline that would continue/advance the series, it is just a game, released by SEGA for "the fun of it." Tails0600 03:42, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic Pinball Party Chronology? 

message: Shouldn't it be Sonic the Hedgehog? (note the capital T) I read that "The" was his middle name
:No, Sonics full name offically has never been discosed by SEGA itself. The only time Sonic's been given an actual name is in the Archie comics and that name in it self is not considered cannon. Jennytablina 10:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic's Name 

message: Should there be a page about all the Anime and Movie references in Sonic games.  Sonic's ability to turn into a faster, yellow "Super Sonic" mirrors the Super Saiyan ideas from Dragonball Z.  The Death Egg seems to be directly ripped from Star Wars.  Knuckles' Angel Island's ability to float also seems to be borrowed from Laputa: Castle in the Sky.87th 18:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime/Movie References

message: Should the chronological order of the Sonic Games be displayed somewhere in the article? I read somewhere that the games' stories are not in order of release. Perhaps someone could clear it up. Rim-Fire 21:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There isnt much story to speak of, besides this the newer games are in order, the only place the timeline gets confusing is around the Mega Drive, Game Gear and Master System releases. Though no offical time line has even been given by SEGA Jennytablina 09:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really. Since time was restarted AND altered in SONIC the Hedgehog, Blaze never knew Sonic. Eggman Nega travels to the past to conquer it, which makes sense since it is basically what he does in Sonic Rivals. Blaze goes with him, and sees a world so radically different, she thinks it's a new dimension. Possibly, the Sol Emeralds are the Chaos Emeralds with a new name, but this emerald thing is too much of fanon. The rest... not so much, as it makes perfect sense.195.23.133.154 15:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: True, the chronology section is mostly made up of rumors, opinions and ideas. As for now though, I suppose that Sonic Rush be removed, as it would probably be non-canon.Michael Mad 11:26, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Alright, I can see there is a lot of doubt, I'll contact SEGA and find out from them what is and isn't CANON. Right now, let's leave the article the way it is, just to make future edits more constructive. As soon as I get a response, I'll post it 9on the talk page. Tails0600 23:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological order of Sonic Games 

message: I think there should be a sonic wiki. It would be so cool -User StrongCool from hrwiki.org
:There is. http://info.sonicretro.org/ ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk | Contribs) 11:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wiki 

message: This article can eventually be a good article or feature article after we have expanded it. However, the following needs to be taken into account:
* As an overview of the series, this page should be far more comprehensive. For example, The Legend of Zelda series (WP:GA) and Link (Legend of Zelda) (WP:FA) have much larger summary sections for subarticles.  The character section needs an overhaul.
* We also need more references, but we can't do that without more content.
* It has to be an example of good prose; at the moment it is only average.
* The article should let people know why the series is notable and compelling.
List by DavidHOzAu 08:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things needing attention 

message: Why do we need a page about rings as used in the Sonic games?  There's not much you can say.  Shouldn't that be handled on this page? Ace of Sevens 20:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal

message: Whoever has put the Chaotix as the main characters, they're not! So I'm moving it back to where it belongs; in the other characters section! And whats worse, when I put them back there somebody changed them to be the main characters and I don't know who it was! And as If I wasn't angry enough, somebody rearranged the other character section in no particular order and it took me some time to fix this! Now the reason Chaotix aren't the main characters is that they haven't had enough information and appearence to be main characters! If you were the one who put Chaotix as the main characters or were the on that screwed up the other character section, I'd like your feedback, please! And once again somebody has scrambled my effort again! That's it!!!!!! It's edit war! I'M NOT GONNA TOLERATE THIS ANYMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I have evidence it could have been Starionwolf! In fact, before he/she edited that it was normal so it is YOU, Starionwolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  -- Said 13 20:41, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chaotix isn't main characters!

message: purpose of rings is obvious in games. what about their reason of existance in anime (especially sonic x)? it gives a high-speed power to sonic (funny that only sonic is using them) - somebody, who knows sth about details? how could they be found in world of chris, etc.?
83.24.231.247 21:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  rings once more 

message: As "Main characters" and "other characters" is ambiguous, especially from an out-of-universe perspective it makes more sense to try something different.  Here's some suggestions for renaming the current "character" sections to something more appropriate:
===First section===
Playable characters This would give an overview of all characters who are playable in the 16-bit and 3D games.  This is the first title that came to my mind was, namely, if a character is a player character or non-player character.  The only thing about this is that Metal Sonic wouldn't qualify.
Central characters This would give an overview of all central characters in the 16-bit and 3D games.  Note that playable characters are by definition central characters.  Dr. Eggman and Metal Sonic would therefore be in this list.
===Second section===
Non playable characters
Minor or non-playable characters
Other characters
All of these sections would give an overview of all characters who are non playable characters or who were only playable in spinoffs.  By defintion, if a character is not in the first character section, they are in the second.  Of the three possible headers, I'm not really sure which one I prefer.
Comments? --DavidHOzAu 02:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idea for the character section 

message: Non playable characters
Minor or non-playable characters
Other characters
All of these sections would give an overview of all characters who are non playable characters or who were only playable in spinoffs.  By defintion, if a character is not in the first character section, they are in the second.  Of the three possible headers, I'm not really sure which one I prefer.
Comments? --DavidHOzAu 02:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second section

message: I added a Criticism section
When I read it, I saw the most PAINFUL spelling and grammar I have seen in my life. People know how Shadow returned, one of Eggman's robots rescued him (it's explained in Shadow the Hedgehog). Sonic Team tries to fill in plotholes, so I think they were oversights. As for the games getting easy, by now, people who used to be total n00bs are now experts. It may be easy for experts, but quite difficult for newcomers. I, for one, am thankful it was removed. Shadoman 22:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to metion, it was a an opinion, not a statment supported by facts. UnDeRsCoRe 23:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Does anyone think that we should make a timeline of Sonic events? Just curious. DeathGodDragon EDGE 00:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this?  Yeah, that's what I've been trying to do in the plot section. --DavidHOzAu 04:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A good idea. I'm guessing only the "main" games of the series would be included. The Sonic series has way more spin-offs and such than Zelda. 81.172.223.197 11:41, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  An Idea 

message: I tried to create a Sonic-style powerup which may be used in this article. Here is the result. It's not great, but it's svg, so somebody can improve it. BeŻet pl 14:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Power-up 

message: Some of the characters in the main character section arn't really very main. Like the babylon Rouges. Some of them should be in a minor character section.
Thats the case for the ones people still consider main, because they have lesser roles in the 
new games, like 06.--Neofcon 13:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Main Chracters???

message: im pretty sure Sonic The Hedgehog came after Sonic Rush. One because Blazes says the iblis trigger, a blue hedgehog can it be true? whitch suggest she does remeber Sonic. This is also suggested when Blaze says Blue Hedgehog????? .
That's what I think also, but there would be some plot holes to work out... ChromeWulf ZX 22:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What came first

message: I think this page should be moved back. It is about the Sonic the Hedgehog series of games, not about some particular thing that happens to be called "Sonic the Hedgehog" and is a series. ~ Keiji (iNVERTED) (Talk | Contribs) 11:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that reasoning regarding the difference between the two - the same thing happened to The Matrix series recently, which was also a bit annoying. Presumably there's some manual of style guideline somewhere. --Nick RTalk 13:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sonic the Hedgehog (series)" vs "Sonic the Hedgehog series" 

message: There's already been a Dance Dance Revolution: Mario Mix, so not doing it for Sonic is kind of unfair.  However, I think Sonic would probably die of embarassment if he had to go searching for "Music Keys"...  So, instead, Dr. Eggman could stage a dancing tournament, and pretty much all of the Sonic characters would be participating.  Your character would have to defeat the others in dance-offs until he or she could finally confront Dr. Eggman and, in one last dance-off, defeat the mad scientist... but then someone else (like Black Doom, Mephiles, Chaos, Metal Sonic, or some other villain) could crash the party...  Sounds like a good idea, huh? Luigifan 12:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or press that handy squiggly button ().  I'd also like to add that leaving some sort of siggy is a good habit to get into when leaving messages on talk pages, lest someone tag you with the dreaded . —davidh.oz.au 08:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Definately a good point, didn't even see that there! Guess you DO learn something new everyday! Tails0600 03:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dance Dance Revolution|DDR]]: Sonic Mix 

message: I noticed that the "other gameplay styles" section has been converted into a bulleted list with brief summaries of the plots. I agree with the move to a separate section further down the page, but not with the conversion to a list. There's nothing that wrong with it, but I think the information better as prose, because it's consistent with the overview of the the main 2D/3D platform games. 
If it's kept as a list, something needs to be done about the summaries: judging by the name of the section and the focus of the article, they should really describe the games' gameplay rather than their plots! I've done that for Spinball, adapting the description from the old one in that previous version, but not for any of the others. 
The other alternative is to keep it as a list, but change it to a list of genres, rather than game titles ("Racing games" for Sonic Drift/Sonic R/Sonic Riders; "Pinball games" for Spinball and Pinball Party). If it's not changed to prose, I'd much prefer a list of genres than one of games.
What do you think? --Nick RTalk 02:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very, very good points, and now, looking back on it, the small 1 or 2 paragraphs we had were better than the list, but I also like the list as well. Tell you what. Why don't we recreate the small paragraphs, but, have JUST release dates and names of the games, like this:
            Blah Blah Blah Blah...
            *Sonic R (1996) (Saturn)
            *Sonic 3d blast ---
And so on, see what I mean? Tails0600 20:30, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Other gameplay styles" section 

message: So, are Sega's in-house musicians called Wavemaster or Wave Master. It's in the article both ways.Sparticuz 20:18, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: Why is there no reference to how Sonic was a Cold War propaganda tactic? (I realize that the game came out after the cold war, but it was in production during the cold war...just listen to my logic) Sonic is blue=America, Dr. Robotnik is red=Communist. American is fast, and beats up bad guy who turns cute woodland creatures into robots.... it's quite obvious imho...
: Because that would be Original Research. magiciandude (Talk) (review) 01:45, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, however, there is nothing to suggest that the game is propaganda. This may just be opinion, but I am not calling you a liar, either. Find some evidence, either from Sega, or a magazine, and we'll consider adding it. Tails0600 23:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To add, Sonic was created in Japan and all that. Why would he symbolize America? Gurko 08:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting... but stupid... *snort snort* Cheeky monkey!  --Luigifan 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Only symbolizes America because when Japan sent it over here, We screwed it up. Like I said, you can always contact Sega and find out exactly, and I'll let you do that, because if it is true, YOU should get the credit. Tails0600 23:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cold War

message: I thought that it was in the main seriesSonicrules2 02:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the broadest sense, yes it is in the main series. The only reason that it is in the other gameplay styles section is because the story of this game does not affect any other games in the series. Tails0600 03:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic riders  

message: I think the Other gameplay styles section should be changed into a section devoted to the "Other Games" of the series, not just the ones whose status in the Chronology is unknown and whose gameplay is not a standard platformer. It's the Sonic series article, so all the games should be mentioned somewhere. 208.101.130.232 17:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other gameplay styles vs. Other Games... 

message: I have made a basic page for the upcoming RPG (Untitled Sonic RPG), because I was surprised to see it wasn't done already. I'm unsure what templates it fits into, so I've left it alone for now. I'll now link to it from other articles in order to give it more publicity. Philtrauferson 15:08, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's being released on the Nintendo DS, so I say it should be placed in the handheld games template. 206.66.217.142 20:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought that, but there were some pretty strict rules imposed on what goes on what template, they sort of scared me not to mess with them. I'll ask on the template talk page. Philtrauferson 21:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

text: No, it's for the DS. Gurko 22:08, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic RPG

message: The iOS version of Sonic CD has a Metacritic rank of 93, which is relevant since is the highest rank of any Sonic game in that web. However, every time I write that in the aggregate review scores section (with its reference of course), it gets deleted. --Pablotorre13 (talk) 20:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure why it's been removed in the past. I don't think it was me. I imagine you did this under a different name, or an IP address? I can't see any history of you making this edit before through your past edits. I don't see a problem with including it, unless I'm missing something here... Sergecross73 msg me  21:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Better off being on Sonic CD article instead. If only the console changes,  yet still strikingly similar  version of the original, it might be better just adding metacritic, gamestats, gamerankings on their respected page and showing the initial reception here. Also sometimes the scores arent aggregated scores. They have reviews but not enough.Lucia Black (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Checking the source, it's based off 13 reviews. It's a minor blip on this entire article--I see no problem with it being there unless, again, I'm missing something. I agree it should be at the Sonic CD article too though.  Sergecross73 msg me  03:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm suggesting removing all re-releases of the games, and just keep the original installments. So no, not just a "minor blip". its several. Simplifying the gamereviews.Lucia Black (talk) 04:09, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I hadn't realized that's what you're getting at, since that's not what either of us were talking about.... Sergecross73 msg me  11:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

text: I have no problem with keeping it in. Quite frankly, there are many editors out there who are obsessive about adding/updating GameRankings/Metacritic ect scores anyways, so I imagine it'll be re-added over time regardless of discussion on the talk page. (Which, I'm fine with, as long as the info is correct.) Sergecross73 msg me  11:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: iOS is a re-releases. Ports are re-releases if theres a large gap between releases. So i suggest keeping it simple and having the original console release. Add the same template we have here on other pages that many re releases and agreggated score. We can always leave a note to say that do not update it with re-releases.Lucia Black (talk) 17:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metacritic rank of Sonic CD (iOS) 

message: A couple of times, I have tried to properly change the sales figures of Sonic and the Secret Rings(2.43 million) and Sonic Unleashed (3.96 million). They used to be there for a long time, but now they are changed in a couple of hours. I now realize my mistake: I forgot a source. Then I realized that I didn't know how to put in literary sources, which is where I got the info. I hope that you can put it in. Here is the needed information, which applies for both: it was written by Chris Schilling in the "3D Platformers" section on page 109 of Guinness World Records: Gamer's Edition 2012.Please respond if I need anything else. Thank you. -Mumbai0618.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.161.144.217 (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A scan of the source would help.--SexyKick 17:42, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Techincally, the source you presented, if real and true, would be reliable. However, given just about every interaction I've ever had with you, for instance, the ones User talk:Mumbai0618 , has been about you breaking Wikipedia policy and then being difficult about it, it's hard for me to trust you on this. Can you provide another source? Or any proof that this source says what you claim it does? Sergecross73 msg me  17:59, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I meant a readable scan, and I'm sure Sergecross meant another source that wasn't the book. Serge what do you think of the video? It's near completely unreadable, but I think it sounds legit.--SexyKick 16:24, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you read any of it? I couldn't read a single word beyond the cover of the book... Sergecross73 msg me  23:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

text: If you knew the text was illegible, what was the point? What's the difference between taking your word for it on this talk page, and taking your word for it on a Youtube video? There's equal amounts of "no proof"...  Sergecross73 msg me  23:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales Differences

message: Since Sonic 4 has been released for mobile platforms like iOS and Android, do you think both Episodes should be included under the "Handheld Games" section of the Sonic games template as well as the "Console Games" section? 68.228.177.224 (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic the Hedgehog 4 - Should it be included under Handheld Games in the template? 

message: According to http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=sonic+generations
Sonic Generations sales are 2.12 million in all world and in all plataforms, please update the article with this information
Also Sonic Unleashed has sold 4.38 million copies
source: http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Sonic+Unleashed  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RCRDT21 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, VGChartz isn't a useable source on Wikipedia. Please see WP:VG/S. It's not considered a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me  17:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic Generations Sales Update 

message: This is a discussion about the header image... 
Anybody want to keep the image there Keep or Remove.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.178.177.48 (talk) 16:46, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And that would be fine with me too, my problem is that the IP's proposal image is a huge downgrade by itself, and excessive use of images with them both. I'm not completely committed to the image or anything. I can't remember if it was this article, or a different one, but I think I just threw it up there a while back more as a placeholder, because various editors/IPs kept on adding copyright violation images that kept on getting deleted/removed. Sergecross73 msg me  21:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there are logos out there like what you said LB like the Sonic 06 image.74.178.177.48 (talk) 21:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer to stay away from Sonic 06, since it's pretty much the worst reviewed/received Sonic game out there. Doesn't seem like the best image to sum up the series... Sergecross73 msg me  00:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you have a point,really I hate no Sonic game so I don't care but not all people are me.74.178.177.48 (talk) 17:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  image 

message: I've noticed a user keeps on re-adding games with no sales figures into the sales chart. This strikes me as rather pointless, and even detrimental. I don't think we need to clutter an already pretty good sized chart with games that we don't have any figures for. Any thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me  14:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales Chart - Entries with no sales figures 

message: The current logo is all we need for the series. I say we keep the logo! That picture in the infobox is the original game's title screen! 22dragon22burn (talk) 02:48, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This strikes me as extremely similar to the discussion we just had, 2 sections up, which ended in no consensus to change - why should we remove a picture that contains a picture of the character and the text, and replace it to the image of just text? The current picture better represents the picture. Why use a picture at all if it's just text? It's not like the font is that iconic or anything. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with using a different picture, I just don't think we could replace it with a picture of all text/doesn't contain a picture of Sonic. Sergecross73 msg me  03:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo is all we need

message: How is Sonic Shuffle like Mario Party? and dont say its because its a party game because that be stupid. Speedy X 77 (talk) 16:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would that be stupid? They are both mascot-based party games where you navigate a character through a board-like level while you play mini-games a different intervals with the end goal of collecting more of a given item than other characters. There's one reliable source in the article already, and I'm sure it would be very easy to find more. Why is it you seemingly want to remove all comparisons to Nintendo/Mario from Sonic articles. I mean, it's not like they're even negative comparisons or anything... Sergecross73 msg me  16:20, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

text: It would help if you could give some meaningful ways that they were so different. I've given many reasons how they're the same, and provided sources that back it up, and all you seem to say is basically "No, they're different because they're different". Beyond that, on Wikipedia, reliable sources are going to trump your personal opinions and observations every time. Unless you have a particular reason why the source in the article isn't useable, I don't think you're going to be convincing anybody... Sergecross73 msg me  01:11, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Yes, I have. What about it though? Sergecross73 msg me  19:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  How is Sonic Shuffle like Mario Party? 

message: Question: Why do we have Sonic Colors and every game after that in a separate aggregate scores category? Is the column we have too big? Is it because of the game de-listing? Or something else? Personally I find no point in the fact it is separate, and think we should just add it with the others.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.148.222 (talk) 07:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe there's a reason. I tried merging them together once, but with all the references and formatting going on with it, I couldn't get it to work. In the archives, I believe I asked for assistance, and no one ever did. So, if you or anyone else wants to merge them together, I'd support it. Sergecross73 msg me  14:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Aggregate Scores

message: I've got two links for Sonic 06's sales:
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70441/sonic-the-hedgehog/
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70440/sonic-the-hedgehog/
I'm not sure if they're accurate or not. Are they, and if they are, can we use them?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.148.222 (talk) 22:05, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, VGChartz is not useable on Wikipedia. Its not considered a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me  22:17, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Will This Work?

message: I have to question the inclusion of All-Stars Racing and Transformed in the sales chart. I mean, those fall much more under the banner of the Sega Superstars series, not the Sonic franchise in general. I think it would be more appropriate to have those moved to the Sega Superstars Series page rather than listed here, or just removed outright. Opinions? -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 14:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sonic's name is in the title, and he's in the game, and the games are covered in the article, so it seems natural give list the sales as well. If someone wanted to subsection it off, like it is with the Mario & Sonic game sales, that'd probably be fine too, if that helps your concerns. Sergecross73 msg me  14:41, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sales - All Stars Racing 

message: I've never come across such outrasges against our favorite hedgehog! May I ask to help direct me to some areas, gentlemen? User:06Lover Neo  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.39.178.156 (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, is there a part of the article in particular you have a question about? I'm not seeing much about "outrages" or "hatred" in the article... Sergecross73 msg me  19:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic hatred, wuh? 

message: Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Currently, everything that is known about the new Sonic TV show comes from Sega's brief blog post on 2 October 2013. Sega stated that they aren't even sure of the title of the show. Wikipedia requires diverse coverage from a wide variety of sources. Most, if not all, of the sources out there are simply relaying Sega's blog announcement. I was inclined to nominate for deletion, but after some thought, merging the content here as a section under "Animation" may be more feasible until more information about the show becomes available. v/r, Michaelzeng7 (talk) 00:09, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is currently 2 sentences, and a list of 4 characters. Do you really think it should be kept now? Seems like it should be redirected and then un-redirected once more information is known. (I don't believe there's any information known except for what is there already.) I don't support deletion, as it will surely be notable someday, but right now it just seems WP:TOOSOON. Sergecross73 msg me  01:19, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: fair enough, i suppose it can be merged for now, it will only serve as a redirect anyways, so any new information can be moved back.Lucia Black (talk) 01:57, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I fully support restoring it once more is known. Sergecross73 msg me  02:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah you are right I mean its just a little of information provided , so I wouldn't mind. TheUpdates (talk) 06:16, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merger - [[Sonic Boom (TV series)]] 

message: In a 1995 interview with Edge, Shigeru Miyamoto was asked about his thoughts on the Sonic series (among many other things), to which he replied: "Among Mario's imitations, Sonic is a good one." This may be irrelevant, since Miyamoto isn't much of a gamer and he isn't a critic either, but it might be an amusing anecdote. I can't say I have thought very deeply about whether this is sufficiently notable for Wikipedia, but I thought I'd mention it here.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 01:42, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miyamoto on Sonic 

message: I propose that Green Hill Zone be merged to Sonic the Hedgehog (series)#Common features. As mentioned on its talk page, I believe the article lacks significant coverage in multiple reliable, independent sources (?) but is worth including on this page instead of deleting outright. The most significant sources that cover the level in more than a sentence talk about a papercraft version or an office prank involving the level, which I wouldn't call significant coverage. If analysis of the level itself from reliable sources were to appear, I'd reconsider, but we've had this conversation open for a while now between the talk page and the WT:VG conversation. czar ♔ 01:05, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Moreover, even the mentions that are passing typically gush a little about how significant a level it is. Tezero (talk) 03:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

text: *That's... I don't remember what it's called, but Wikipedia has a policy that discourages using one's preferences in which articles be improved as an argument.  this may be a sensitive issue, but I remember you being accused of it in some way, rightly or wrongly. What's it called? Anyway, the reasonable argument I see here is that the topic isn't needed as it's redundant – though that's still not one I'd agree with, particularly because the users who have voiced approval of merging don't even agree on whether it should be to the series or the first game. Tezero (talk) 01:20, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not following. Where are you seeing people disagreeing on a merge target? Sergecross73 msg me  03:14, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: On Green Hill's talk,  and  say it should be merged to either the series or the first game,  mentions "the existing Sonic articles" (whichever those are) and implies the first game is the best target, and  (who thinks the article meets WP:N but that we should consider merging anyway) just mentions one large article for several topics of which Green Hill is presumably one. Yet this discussion is happening on the series article, which is also the proposed locus per the template at the top of Green Hill's page. Tezero (talk) 03:42, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: which is to say that the supports here are for merging it here, to the series article czar ♔ 03:52, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Oversimplification, but fine, I'll assume they're all for here. I still don't think it really fits here, though; if merged here, it'd be a bunch of miscellaneous information that wouldn't fit in one section (e.g. Reception, legacy [that combined section ought to be split, at least into subsections], common elements), yet seeing Green Hill references everywhere would be similarly weird. The overall main reason I think it's better off as its own article isn't notability, although I also contend it has that; it's that the level is probably more significant in gaming than in the Sonic series. I mean, think of how important Green Hill is to the Sonic canon (not very - it didn't appear in any plot-driven Sonic games except in Adventure 2 and Battle as more of a bonus level) vs. how much it's demonstrably thought of as a classic gaming level. Yet we also definitely couldn't merge it into a generic gaming article, even that of platform games. So I really... do think it works better on its own. (And to be clear, this isn't me glorifying Sonic. I think World 1-1 of Super Mario Bros. is at least as well-known in all common sense; it just doesn't have the coverage this one does.) TL;DR: Even if we assume everyone thinks the article fits here, I don't for a few reasons. Tezero (talk) 22:33, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I didn't realize you were pulling your information from multiple discussions. Anyways, if the consensus is to merge, we can just have a second discussion to measure the consensus on which merge target makes the most sense, so we shouldn't let that put a hamper on things... Sergecross73 msg me  03:02, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why's that? Merging—as an idea, with no locus intended—doesn't make sense. Moreover, as I've elaborated, there being no particularly well-suited target can very well be an argument in favor of keeping, and it is one of mine. Tezero (talk) 05:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This is way off topic now, but AfDs close all the time with "merge" consensus and no consensus on merge target. They still close as merge and go to discussion on the talk page. Also anyone can merge wherever they'd like czar ♔ 05:57, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I'd understand your stance if we are talking about zero merge targets. But we're talking about two targets. That leaves us with a bunch of options on where to move the info in a merge. It certainly would inhibit a merge... Sergecross73 msg me  22:53, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

text: I think it's now safe to say that this is not getting merged. Can the discussion now be closed? XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Green Hill Zone merge proposal 

message: A general cleanup of grammar and misused words should be conducted. For example, under Sonic Boom, the word "preclude" (to prevent) is used where "precede" (to go ahead of) would make more sense. 199.27.195.217 (talk) 13:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar check 

message: I'm a little concerned about the lack of images of characters other than Sonic in this article. Something like the full cast, such as the Generations screenshot I added to the character article, isn't necessary, but the current sampling of images kinda gives the impression that Sonic has been the only significant playable character or, even less accurate (and more distasteful), that all games in the series are defined as such by him being the protagonist. Does anyone have any ideas? I'd honestly be fine with swapping the Green Hill Zone one for something else to represent the Classic era - say, playing as Tails or Knuckles in S3&K, or even a Knuckles' Chaotix screenshot - especially because there are, like, five Wikipedia articles with Green Hill screenshots.
On a related note (and fulfilling these two things could overlap), I don't think the various eras of the series are adequately represented. Do we really need a pic of Sonic being Super Sonic when the only relevant visual information is that he turns yellow (not my idea of an adequate fair-use justification)? Regardless, I think screenshots from (1) a Modern-era game such as 06 or Colors and (2) one of the Advance or Rush entries would be helpful for an understanding of the directions the Sonic formula has gone in. Tezero (talk) 06:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would you chose to remove an image of the main character of the title series, in its most iconic level, with a random Knuckles picture, as the first image of the article? That makes no sense at all. Sergecross73 msg me 03:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the first image of the article; you've made sure of that by insisting on replacing the free-use series logo with another screenshot from Sonic 1. But I removed it because this "iconic level" is used in numerous other pages and gets old after a while - but this isn't the image that's usually used, which is hardly the "minimal use" required by FUR. Moreover, the Sonic & Knuckles one shows things like the shield and checkpoints, which the Green Hill one doesn't. Tezero (talk) 03:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Knuckles image in itself is fine, it's just what you did with it. It doesn't make sense as a replacement for an image that contains the title character, and it doesn't make sense as the first image showing gameplay. I'm not crazy about the Blaze screenshot either. It's hard to see her and what's going on in the image, and she's hardly a primary character in the series... Sergecross73 msg me 10:43, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, in response to your puzzled edit summary, "lead off" just means "first" or "beginning". As in, the first image in the article (outside of the infobox pic, which I excluded because it's not depicting gameplay.) Sergecross73 msg me 12:33, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, okay, thanks for explaining. Anyway, I'd venture that it's especially important for this series' page to contain some kind of visual illustration of other characters, because of all of the endless rants from IGN and junk about how many characters there are and how the focus should be (but isn't) on Sonic 24/7. (Actually, it has been since Colors for the most part, but that's a different story...) Tezero (talk) 18:04, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be more inclined to agree if/when the article actually covered any of that. That's covered some at the characters article, but not really much here at the series article. Sergecross73 msg me 17:33, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other characters exist, too 

message: mega drive because mega drive is the correct name used everywhere except the usa
also it sound better Thetruthhhh (talk) 12:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No. This has been debated to death at its article. If you go to the Sega Genesis talk page, you'll see the reasons why, and we should keep it consistent here with the article title. Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  change genesis to mega drive 

message: I checked our sales, and Sonic is 8th best selling, two slots below the listed 6th place in the first paragraph of this page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.53.72.233 (talk) 05:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right. I've just changed the wording to "one of the" highest-selling, since it's an extremely volatile piece of information. Tezero (talk) 06:03, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sonic's sales 

message: New Sonic game released 2015 on Wii U, PS4 and Xbox One.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3fZudTaiyM  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.20.206.161 (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not a reliable source. Sergecross73 msg me 02:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sega has also clarified that the information is false BTW. Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 08:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't necessarily take that as false - it could be just them not having wanted to talk about it yet. And there has been a recent, possibly reputable (but not for here) information leak on a possible new game called Sonic Runners. Nevertheless, as I was going to say before I got edit-conflicted out last time because I didn't hit "submit" quite when I thought I had, we need reliable sources before reporting on rumors, even if we're not purporting them as true. Tezero (talk) 15:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

text: *Sigh, looks like I've been responding to him elsewhere too. How can you tell though? I trust your judgement...but I can't make the connection personally yet. Am I missing something? Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: *The range, the crystall-balling (just from this IP: Draft:Paper Mario (2015 video game) and this) mostly. Used to be big into Macy's Parade crystal balling but everything's protected now (although you still see stuff like this. Been on my radar for over a year and I have most targets on my Watchlist, so when he edits something it inevitably leads to other cleanup. The amount of crystallballing/hoaxes (because they are asserted as facts) pages I've had to delete by following this vandal around numbers in the hundreds. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 21:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sonic game 2015 

message: The nubmer of Sonic the Hedgehog sales is wrong. http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Sonic+the+hedgehog&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200 
The first Sonic game sold out in 4.34 million copies, not 15.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.100.144.79 (talk) 01:17, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also, same thing with Sonic Heroes and Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games series.
Sonic Heroes: 2.96 milliom copies (not 1.73)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games: 5.08 (not 11.31)
Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games: 4.51 (not 6.53)
Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games: 3.68 (not 2.7 million)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.100.144.79 (talk) 01:24, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

text: VGChartz is not a reliable source. It's unusuable on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 02:38, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: In addition, the general practice with sales totals (assuming reliability) is to use the highest estimate, leaving two of these assertions moot. Tezero (talk) 05:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  About sales 

message: In the "Reception" section, the chart claims that Sonic CD has a 100.00% rating on Gamerankings.com. I know that is not true because Super Mario Galaxy has the highest rating, but I couldn't edit it so... yeah.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.217.212.111 (talk) 01:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You can change it if you want, then; I can't really do it without my browser crashing because phone. (Personally I'd like to see this change, too, since I find CDs level design tremendously poor, its music forgettable, and its visuals quite garish. Galaxy, however, is awesome; I prefer it to the second one.) I wonder how that error came about - maybe added when there were fewer ratings in for a certain port? Tezero (talk) 02:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's because the Sega CD version only picks up one review Sega 16, and we don't even consider that a reliable source. There was an agreement somewhere at WP:VG that games with less than 4-5 reviews should not have GameRanks or MetaCritic scores, because they statistically don't mean much, and are misleading. I'm all for removing. Sergecross73 msg me 05:33, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Sonic CD'''s actual rating 

message: 73.142.128.45 (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No request actually made. Amortias (T)(C) 21:11, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2015