Talk:Interstate 70 in Colorado

message: How do you nominate articles into a good article review? I think this one might just survive. ^_^ AL2TB ^_^ 23:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on expanding this article and would welcome any help. In my opinion it is not ready for GA review yet, but has made a lot of progress in the last 2 weeks. There's a lot of unsourced material, and the Glenwood Canyon history section is week. If you want to help, my preference would be to find some good material on the construction in Glenwood canyon and help expand that section. I am from this area and am privy to a lot of info about Glenwood canyon but a GA article needs sourced info. I agree, I want this to be a GA. IMO both the Utah and Colorado portions of I-70 deserve FA class articles.Davemeistermoab (talk) 23:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article 

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Nice job on this Dave, it passes all criteria. And is one of the best I've seen, Congrats.<FONT FACE="Anderson Supercar" SIZE="-1" COLOR="red">Mitch32contribs</FONT> 17:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article review 

message: I-70 generally follows the Midland Trail across Colorado; the only difference was between Denver and Wolcott, where it took a more northerly route over Berthoud Pass and along the Colorado River on what was then State Highway 11. This can be seen on  (except for the numbering as SH 11, which is in appendix C2 of ; confusingly, the map uses 11 in a black box for the Midland Trail). --NE2 05:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  History notes 

message: ;Lead:
*1. Though bicycles and other non-motorized vehicles are normally prohibited on Interstate Highways, the USDOT has made an exception for the portions of I-70 through the Rockies where no other through route exists. (Order.  You have the subordinate clause (and its less important information) first.  Also, repetition of "through."  Start with punchline.)
**1a. Bicycles and other non-motorized vehicles, normally prohibited on Interstate Highways, are allowed on those stretches of I-70 in the Rockies where no other through route exists.  (We don't need USDOT here, especially since it is explained only a little later.  Best not to overload the reader this early with extraneous terms.)
*2. The construction of I-70 is listed as one of the engineering marvels of the Interstate Highway system by the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) due to four major feats: the portion through the Dakota Hogback, Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass and Glenwood Canyon. (Prose: vague peacock)
**2a. The U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) lists the construction of I-70 among the outstanding projects undertaken in the Interstate Highway system, and cites four major engineering accomplishments: the section through the Dakota Hogback, Eisenhower Tunnel, Vail Pass and Glenwood Canyon.
*3. With an elevation of , the Eisenhower Tunnel was, at the time of construction, the highest vehicular tunnel in the world. This tunnel is both the longest mountain tunnel and the highest point along the Interstate Highway System. (If it is no longer highest in the world, no need to mention it in the lead.  Also need length info.)
**3a. The Eisenhower Tunnel, with average elevation  and length , is both  the highest point and the the longest tunnelin the Interstate Highway System.  (I got the length info from the tunnel's parent article.)
*4.Government and engineering organizations have stated that the portion through Glenwood Canyon was one of the most challenging and scenic pieces of the system built. 
**(Fluff.  Banish it from the lead.)
*5. Completed on October 14, 1992, this was one of the final pieces of the Interstate Highway System to open to traffic, and is one of the most expensive rural highways per mile built in the United States.  
**(I am assuming that "this" is the section of I-70 through the Glenwood Canyon.  If so, say that explicitly.  A reader unfamiliar with Colorado geography, might think it applies to I-70 in its entirety.  
*6. The construction achievement earned 30 awards for the Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT) including the 1993 Outstanding Civil Engineering Achievement Award from the American Society of Civil Engineers.  (No need to mention anonymous awards.  ASCE is enough.)
**6a. In 1993, the Colorado Department of Transportation (CDOT) received the Outstanding Civil Engineering Achievement Award from the American Society of Civil Engineers for its construction of I-70.
***I've implemented these. Please advise if you have further concerns. Thank you for the review and kind words.Dave (talk) 18:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the review, feedback, and kind words. Please advise if you have additional concerns.Dave (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fowler&fowler's detailed FAC comments

message: Glewood Canyon is so good and why constuction went from 1960 to 1994? People are slowing constuction when it is a canyon and they think this is a forest.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.15.238 (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not so much construction that went from 1960 to 1994, but the entire planning, environmental clearance, design and construction process. Msramming (talk) 18:23, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Glenwood Canyon 

message: Why is there such little coverage in the route description about I-70 east of Aurora? It looks like Aurora is on the Kansas border, by the way the route description is partitioned. --PCB 04:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The short answer is the lack of quality sourced content. When researching this article, almost all sources I could find focused on the part through the Rocky Mountains. I honestly felt like I was scraping the bottom of the barrel just to get what is there now. Dave (talk) 04:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question 

message: I'll just note that whatever topo map was scanned to create ACME Mapper's database does indeed show the recently added claim about I-70 bisecting the runway is correct . I'll try to find out what map this is and add that to the article as a source. Dave (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed for Stapleton airport claim. 

message: I'll be honest, I thought I was making a pretty minor, uncontroversial change. What's the problem with this, and how is it inconsistent? Thanks, Mackensen (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the other book citations list their page numbers in the footnote instead of using . They also only list ISBN and not ISBN and OCLC. Imzadi 1979 →  15:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Stripping out OCLC seems unnecessary, and there are only three book citations which could be easily reconciled (I am willing to do this). I wasn't previously aware that anyone objected to the inclusion of the OCLC link.  is force of habit and obviously not necessary. Mackensen (talk) 15:30, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a Featured Article, so consistency in its footnote formatting is a must. If the template you created supported  and , I probably wouldn't have reverted, but to switch how page numbers are indicated shouldn't be done in edits of that sort. Imzadi 1979 →  15:46, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh I agree completely; I simply didn't pay enough attention to the conventions in use. I've implemented those parameters now. Mackensen (talk) 16:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zimmermann reference 

message: There some confusion regarding the extent of the concurrency of US 36 with I-70 east of the junction with I-270, related to CDOT signing practices. 
CDOT's highway database references roads on the state highway system by a number with a letter suffix, without regard to whether the route is signed with an Interstate, U.S. highway, or state highway shield. 
Since about 1968, CDOT's practice has generally been not to have duplicate numbers for different shield types. For example
* SH 70A is signed as Interstate 70
* SH 6G is signed as US 6 through Clear Creek Canyon and the 6th Ave Freeway
* SH 2A is routed along Colorado Blvd. and signed with a state shield
Further, CDOT's system does not acknowledge concurrencies. Only the one most noticeable route is included in the database. For the example of an Interstate and US highway concurrency, only the Interstate is reflected in CDOT's database. In the case of two concurrent US highways, the one in the database may be the lower numbered route or the route first established. 
Unfortunately, the different segments of SH 36 are an exception to the one shield type rule: 
* SH 36A is signed as US 36 from Rocky Mountain National park to Estes Park
* SH 36B is signed as US 36 through Boulder to I-25 
* SH 36C is signed with a state highway shield from I-70 Exit 292 near Watkins to its terminus at SH 79B in Bennett
* SH 36D is signed with BOTH state highway shields from Bennett to the junction with SH 40D in Byers and then as US&nbps;36 east of there, including the nearby diamond interchange at I-70's Exit 316!
So by the CDOT perspective of the different segments of SH 36 all being the same route, the concurrency with US/SH 36 would end at Exit 292 near Watkins. 
But for someone scanning the exit list, US 36 doesn't show up again until Exit 316 in Byers, which would appear to be the end of the concurrency. 
What advice do others have about resolving this confusion? Thank you! 
Msramming (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The Exit list was compiled from a combination of the OTIS Highway data db you mention, as it existed when about 10 years ago, and an early 2000s CDOT map, and has has numerous individual updates since then. I don't have any additional information above and beyond what you've presented. What I would say is the exit list as it exists now is consistent with how several published maps say, both old and new. (I was just looking at it from mapper.acme.com which has both 1960's era topo maps and modern mapping services available) so it's fair to say that what is there now isn't wrong. It's just a question of is it the best way to present it. This is somewhat similar to what is common in California, where there are several scenarios where a US or Interstate designation ends, but the roadway physically continues with a state route designation of the same number. However, in the case of CA, we know what's the most technically accurate by checking the terminus in the AASHTO logs against the stated terminus in the Caltrans logs. With Colorado it's more difficult as AASHTO lists the official termini, but not of each concurrency segment in the inland states. However, if we uses the "California scenario" as a guideline and compare their similar scenarios, the logical interpretation to say is that the SH36 breakoff near Watkins, CO is most likely considered part of highway 36 by the state, but not by AASHTO. That's what a similar scenario in that state would mean. And in similar situations in CA we have used the official designations, meaning what is in the exit list now is correct. Dave (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  US/SH 36 concurrency east of Denver 

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message: The "Future" section has dated information, old sources, and does not appear to have been updated since 2017.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  02:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: --Rschen7754 18:15, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: My personal opinion is most of that isn't really notable anyways and blast the whole section. But in the interest of not being a control freak owning my FA nominations, I'll search Denver newspapers today and see if that project was completed. Dave (talk) 19:15, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks for bringing that to my attention. Dave (talk) 19:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Awesome, thanks!   for TFA scheduling. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  20:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've added an  template to a highway traffic figure from 2009 to indicate that this is not the current number, but other than that this is satisfactory and will mark it there at WP:URFA/2020.  - Either of y'all are welcome to mark it as satisfactory there as well if you think it meets the FA criteria, so we can get it moved off the list of ones that need review. Hog Farm  Talk 15:14, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:URFA/2020]] 

message: It has been more than twelve years since this was promoted to FA, and while this article has remained stable, it has some issues which need to be addressed. Also, a lot has changed since this article was promoted, and what constitutes meeting the FA criteria is also bound to evolve over time. Therefore, if these issues are not addressed, I think we will need to nominate this article for an FA review. Here are the major points I noticed:
*Traffic count data is from 2009, and needs to be updated. 
*Almost no history of the construction outside of the Eisenhower Tunnel, Glenwood Canyon, and Vail Pass stretches. While these other sections certainly (rightfully) didn't receive as much attention as the former, they still can't be ignored, and there is a chance that readers may be interested in learning when they were built. 
*When did construction on the Johnson bore begin?
*No information about when the Vail Pass stretch was constructed. 
*Information about the predecessor highway through Glenwood Canyon might should be moved to the earlier routes section. The 2021 closures are also mentioned in two separate sections.
* - has this occurred yet? The source (dead) is from 2009.
*Information about the 1984 Mousetrap accident and current reconstruction might should be moved to a new section titled "Later history", "Major projects", etc. Also, very little information about the multi-phase Mousetrap reconstruction project; the last sentence of this paragraph reads a bit awkward.
*Absolutely no mention of the 2019 Lakewood semi-truck crash. While accidents like this should usually not be included unless they were caused by a design of the roadway and/or led to a redesign of the roadway, this accident has received a lot of attention, primarily due to the controversial sentence of the driver. Also, this does not appear to be the only high-profile crash that has ever occurred on I-70 in Colorado. According to multiple sources, the unusual warning messages along the eastern descent of the Rockies were installed after a similar accident in 1989. 
*Lots of dead urls in citations.
These are the main points I noticed. I will concede that the style of writing used in this article is definitely that of an FA. However, these issues should be addressed, or else this article will need to be reviewed. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:53, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the History section needs to be added to cover the accident you mentioned, and perhaps re-organized for better flow now that there are multiple incidents for which I-70 through Colorado has had nationwide affect.  I'll sign up to work on that. However, frankly some of these are nitpics. Regarding the apparent undue weight given to the portion through the rockies. Literally EVERY source I found gave focused on those sections while not spending too much time talking about the great plains sections, for obvious reasons. I struggled to find what little content on the great plains section in the article that is there. I frankly see this as normal, not a problem. By comparison an article discussing the architecture of an older city would naturally focus on the downtown and historical districts, and much less on the post WWII, bland built on an assembly line suburban sprawl neighborhoods. The only such articles that would give much coverage to the suburbs would be newer cities for which there is little to no dense urban core.Dave (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues