Talk:Eric the Victorious

message: I removed the Munsö succession box because in history there never was a House of Munsö. It seems to be mostly a wikipedia-thing. The Swedish term "Munsöätten" does not occur on scholar.google.com. /Pieter Kuiper 16:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Munsö succession box 

message: Aside from the fact that Eric the Victorious never sat for Jenny Nyström (and neither did Odin, I think), the image is still copyrighted. Jenny Nyström died in 1946. /Pieter Kuiper 16:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the copyright status of this image is not uniform worldwide, should a FUR be used for the benefit of those outside the United States? Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jenny Nyström image - not PD 

message: While I'm here, I wonder if the lead (which currently reads "Eric I the Victorious...") should read something more like "Eric I of Sweden, better known as Eric the Victorious..."; or should we follow the example of English monarchs named Edward (viz Edward the Elder, Edward the Martyr, and Edward the Confessor, all preceded Edward I), and simply drop the I from Eric I the Victorious in the lead?  Any thoughts? Wilhelm_meis (talk) 02:39, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Name in the lead

message: The claim that he took the side of the "peasants" may be a bit anachronistically expressed. Does anyone have the Swedish book this is referenced to, and/or is able to put their finger on the passage in Flateyjarbók?  I'm thinking it is in the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason, and wonder whether it actually refers to bönder or what.Yngvadottir (talk) 06:50, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we are to take the Saga of Olaf Tryggvason as a good historical source for the 10th century, which is highly doubtful, then yes, "peasant" is the wrong word. I'll change it to "free farmers". Martin Rundkvist (talk) 11:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It does say "according to Flateyjarbók", which is adequate warning :-)  Thanks, but now I see we have no entry for bönde/bonde/bønde, or have I missed it listed under Old Norse?  Am I right that that's what the passage actually says?  Actually I think a quote would be best, since that's an interesting suggestion, saying something about the power of the Thing, especially if we doubt Styrbjörn's historicity.  I looked at the article on ceorl and someone may want to add bönde/bonde/bønde to it and/or to draw a distinction between the terms.  I'm not well enough grounded in historical sociology to do it.Yngvadottir (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The word bonde just means "farmer" in modern Scandy, so I don't think it would be a good article heading in English WP. (The umlaut marks the plural, as in modern Swedish en bonde, två bönder.) Maybe write a few lines about it in an article on Viking period Norse society? Martin Rundkvist (talk) 18:21, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Peasants?

message: This article was moved arbitrarily and is now inappropriately named in English against WP guidelines to use known English exonyms, and contrary to articles of all other Scandinavian royals on en.WP named Eric. It needs to be moved back. The user who did this move should also be warned about doing this kind of thing with no discussion and based only on personal POV. The name Eirik is virtually unknown in English, compared to Eric, and also poses needless phonetic difficulty in reading this text aloud. SergeWoodzing (talk) 00:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Knut_II_of_Sweden#Move without discussion   Chzz  ►  00:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move without discussion 

message: Everyone knows Olof Skötkonung was the first king of Sweden,
and Eric the Victorious was a semi-fictional/real king of the Svear/Svealand.
Note the diffrence, sweden = Both Götaland + Svealand,  not just svealand.
Saying Eric was the first king of Sweden is inaccurate and  based on saga and not on arcelogical/historical evidence and not suitable for wikipedia, since this is an enclyclopedia, ment to educate based on evidence and reliable sources.
A similar half legendary person is Roland.
I'd recommend a change on his title from King of Swedes (same as Svear but eng-version"Swedes" cause much confusion, since it's the name of the later united kingdom of Sweden's population's name of Götar & Svear) to King of Svears, which is more appropriate, and removal of him from pages were he's refered as "king of Sweden".
Byzantios (talk) 13:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The King of Sweden and his court (today) consider Eric to be the first King of Sweden. That's good enough for me. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the first King 

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message: Under the subsection, "Saga Sources," the last line of Thorvaldr Hjaltason's poem is translated as "Hunding's army," whereas the Wiki article on Styrbjörn the Strong rejects this translation in favor of "army of a myriad," arguing there's no other historical record of a "Hunding." Also, the other contemporaneous record in the Styrbjarnar þáttr Svíakappa mentions Styrbjorn as the leader and not a Hunding, so I think that part should be rewritten at least as an alternative between "an army of a myriad" or "an army of Hunding." Cornelius (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed it. It is a problematic line of the poem and it has been emended as hundmargs.--Berig (talk) 16:43, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Army of Hunding? 

message: Berig has been trying to add a note about the time being "infected"  and that this has led to  events being "dismissed". This is not in accordance to the source he used, which instead claim that "The Battle of Fýrisvellir ... can be classifiedas a relatively infected area". Then it goes non to discuss the critical approch to early Swedish history that originated with the Weibull brothers, clearly saying that it is this kind of source criticism that is the reason that " some historical events has become almost dismissed". These are not linked to the reign of Eric in any particular way, it could well be that these other events are earlier or later.
There are certainly other issues regarding Eric that has been debated, most notably the problem of his spouse according to norse sources, Sigrid Storråda, to some degree perhaps whether he founded Sigtuna, but these do not mean that the age itself is "infested", and to make such a claim, one should bring stronger evidence than misquotations from a master thesis.
Andejons (talk) 07:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not use the word "infested", and I am very surprised that you are unfamiliar with how controversial this era usually is in Swedish history, but maybe you are not taking part in discussion groups on it?--Berig (talk) 23:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Never mind. I can live with present version, as I did before I tried to help SergeWoodzing.--Berig (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Infected era" 

message: No source for any of this entertaining tidbit:
"According to saga sources, Eric also had a beautiful daughter. A Swede named Åke desired her and she wanted him. Eric however forbade his marriage proposal, since he had a client king in Kyivan Rus that he wanted to marry her off to. After that marriage took place Åke got jealous and angry at Eric's Russian client king for taking his love. Åke retaliated by traveling to Russia with a friend and killing Eric's Russian client king, taking Eric's daughter. Åke then allied himself with powerful Swedish jarls to avoid retaliation by Eric. For some years nothing happened and Åke had a son Edmund, father of Ingvar the Far-Travelled, leader of the Rus expedition to the Caspian Sea. Eric and Åke later had a good relationship and became friends once again. Eric would marry a girl name Aud.Before the wedding, Haakon Jarl said that Eric should do something against Åke and that his actions against Eric must be punished. Haakon offered Eric gifts if he took revenge and offered to help him take revenge. Eric then started a plot for revenge. Eric armed his guards and killed Åke when he was leaving the party drunk together with his drunken bodyguards."
I will be removing all of it unless a clearly reliable source is cited very soon. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Material with no source