Talk:Final Fantasy XIII/Archive 3

message: It's in the character section. is that true to be his name? I'm pretty sure it's what some fans only call him as I've seen from a FF13 fansite. WizzieBlue 07:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The blonde "Mr. 33cm"?? 

message: The introduction to this article seems too long and stretched out. Perhaps some of the intro should be moved into seperate sections. What do you think? --EvilReborn [会話] 09 April 2007
:Most of the content is repeated later in the Development section so I'll move it into there. UnfriendlyFire 22:02, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  introduction 

message: http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html so...what do we put for the platforms section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.34.163.171 (talk) 05:03, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That website doesn't cite it's sources, however there was an interview this week with Motomu Toriyama which states that the compilation of Final Fantasy XIII, Fabula Nova Crystallis is not exclusive to PlayStation 3. He doesn't state anywhere that the actual game FFXIII will be appearing on other consoles. Assassingod 08:22, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  final fantasy confirmed NOT to be an exclusive 

message: I have quite a few friends have have given me reliable information in the past, and they are now saying Final Fantasy 13 is in development for the Xbox 360 and PC. The situation is nearly identical to the contractual obligations faced by EA with Fight Night Round 3, Epic with Unreal Tournament 2007 (which is now called Unreal Tournament 3), Ubisoft with Assassins Creed, and so many other game companies and the games they were making, like Mercs 2, and Devil May Cry 4. All of those games were in development for the Xbox 360, just like the rumors were saying, but the game companies were contractually obligated to remain silent. This is the exact same situation Square Enix is facing with Final Fantasy 13. Remember, Square Enix actually has more games in development for the Xbox 360 than the Playstation 3, so we know they are fully supporting the Xbox 360. We know Final Fantasy XI is already on the Xbox 360 and PC. The same reliable sources of information are making it clear the we will receive official announcements about Final Fantasy 13 for the Xbox 360 and PC very soon. Until then, it is definitely worth making a note of it that reliable sources of information talked about this beforehand, once again. Mike mgoblue 00:10, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And WHO exactly are you? Waltzing in here telling that you have "friends" with reliable information. Are you some kind of video game business analyst cum speculator? You're just an anonymous, like everyone here in wikipedia, but you're talking as if you own the gaming industry. Please don't give us rubbish like this, unless you can really back it up with a developer interview article or secret company documents scanned into the web or something. Because YOU, yes You, mr Mike Mgoblue are not in the position to tell us things until you prove it. wikipedia is all about reliable and verifiable source. My doubting you is proof your speculation is moot and invalid. Verify your words, because I can't take it anymore! I want FFXIII to be in Xbox too, but so far it's all rumors! 218.208.115.25 02:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, the information cannot be verified, therefore, will not go into the article. To the second user: Being polite'll get you much farther. --PureRED - Kyle Floyd 02:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been hearing the same rumours and unfortunately there won't be any proper announcements until the FF birthday bash. Confirmation will come, just have patience. Until then I guess we can't add it. It won’t change anything in the longer term. Movellon 12:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable industry sources are saying Final Fantasy 13 is in development for the Xbox 360 & PC 

message: The magazines have made it clear that Final Fantasy is no longer exclusive to the Playstation 3. That is the bottom line, and it has been confirmed by Square Enix. Which systems will be receiving FF 13 were not yet announced, but it goes without saying that the PC will received FF 13, just like it received other versions of Final Fantasy, and the Xbox 360 will likely receive it as well, since a PC port is so inexpensive. Motomu Toriyama has made this clear not only in magazines that websites reported on (http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html?PHPSESSID=b74f8a842e7af06576dbccea5054cf35) but he has also discussed this on several videogame radio shows. When asked about which other systems Final Fantasy 13 might be released for, he said something to the effect of, "I cannot comment on that at this time." In other words, he is contractually obligated to remain silent. That is the exact same thing Capcom said about Devil May Cry 4, Epic said about Unreal Tournament 2007 (now called Unreal Tournament 3), Ubisofot said about Assassins Creed, and Sega said about VF 5. Let's be honest, there are 150 MILLION PC users, and there are over eight million more Xbox 360 owners than PS3 owners, and the market of Xbox 360 owners is growing greater for the Xbox 360 each day, because the Xbox 360 is outselling the PS3. It would be dumb for Square Enix to avoid released FF 13 for the PC and Xbox 360. When you consider that it is made clear on websites and magazines (http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html?PHPSESSID=b74f8a842e7af06576dbccea5054cf35) and on radio shows, then you need to just ackowledge the facts so people aren't deceived. Mike mgoblue 16:07, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Square Enix has not stated Final Fantasy XIII (the game, not the series) is for any other console. The end. --Teggles 07:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FF 13 is no longer exclusive to the Playstation 3

message: ::NOTICE TO ANYONE WHO WANTS TO POST ABOUT FFXIII'S EXCLUSIVITY
Before you come on and clutter up the page with rumors and things that you consider reliable, let me first point out a couple of things.
#I don't care who your friend is, I don't care what "Reliable industry sources" connections you have, I don't even care if you work for Square Enix.  Unless WE can WP:VERIFY your source with a citation or a link, then it doesn't mean shit.  It is nothing more than a rumor.  "Verifiability, not truth" is one of Wikipedia's mottos.
#I don't care what scenarios in the past are similar.  "The situation is nearly identical to the contractual obligations faced by EA with..." Blah blah blah.  I don't care.  Who says it's similar?  Have you personally read both contracts?  How do you know they are "nearly identical"?  Can we even WP:VERIFY that you are telling the truth?  It isn't the same contract, and the results may not be the same.
#I don't care if you are a journalist or not.  If you really are a journalist, then you should understand why we need a WP:Reliable source.  We cannot just "take your word for it", we cannot just trust you.  We need a WP:RS before we can do anything.
#An anouncement that FFXIII is not exclusive DOES NOT mean that it will be released for Xbox 360 or PC, I don't care how logical the move would be nor do I care how much "common sense" it makes.  The WP:RS that I hope you provide to back your claims must explicitly say that it will be released for Xbox 360 or PC.  If it doesn't explicitly say that, even if it says that Xbox 360 and PC are being considered, then for Wikipedia's purposes it isn't true, because there is no way for us to know whether it is true or not.
#Likewise, an announcement that says that Fabula Nova Crystallis will not be exclusive DOES NOT, in any way, mean that FFXIII will not be exclusive.  It is but one game of the FNC series.  Just because the series isn't exclusive, doesn't mean the individual games can't be exclusive.
#I don't care how big the fansite is, it's still a fansite.  PSM3, PS3 Center, GameSpot, whatever, they are fansites.  And what do fansites do?  They spread gossip and rumors and news.  The problem is, we can't tell which piece from them is news and which piece is rumor.  Fansites, no matter how notable, are not a WP:Reliable source.  And if this bothers you, consider that if they mention an "official announcement" from SE, then it should be possible to find such an announcement from other, reliable sources.  So give us that other, reliable source, not the fansite.
What it all comes down to, really, is that Wikipedia's policy on WP:ATTRIBUTION is very clear that we cannot any include information without having a WP:Reliable source that we can WP:Verify.  "Verifiability, not truth."  --—ΔαίδαλοςΣΣ 16:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, yes and yes. Seconded, closed, and sealed until definitive news or reports from reputable sources come up. Until then, the article states already what needs to be said. That the Fabula Nova Series is not exclusive but the main FF XIII game is still, until reported otherwise, exclusive. Berserkerz Crit 15:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gamespot is generally a reliable source, but not as much as IGN or print magazines when it comes to upcoming games. — Deckiller 07:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have to put GameSpot and IGN on an equal. IGN is run by Fox Interactive Media and GameSpot is run by CNET. These are both large for-profit companies that hold fact-checking as a high priority. --Teggles 07:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy XIII is not PS3 Exclusive!!!  No really, my friend who knows a guy says it isn't, I swear!