Talk:Ma Zhanshan

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Gen. Ma Chan-shan 
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acting Chairman of the Heiiungkiang 
Provincial Government ; in recognition 
of his great and loyal service to the 
country in resisting the Japanese 
invaders, he was soon confirmed in 
the latter post succeeding Gen. Wan 
Fu-lin ; following the capture of 
Tsitsihar, provincial Capital of Heiiung- 
kiang on Nov. 18, 1981, by the Japanese 
troops, he and his Government moved 
to Hailun in North Heiiungkiang which 
he made his new base of operations 
against the Japanese ; while he was 
thus entrenched in Hailun, he was daily 
overwhelmed with furious offensives 
by the Japanese, but could not be 
dislodged ; failing to subjugate his 
indomitable spirit by force, the Japanese 
resorted to the subtle methods of 
persuasion and bribery; in order to 
learn the secrets of the Japanese 
intrigues and designs, he permitted 
himself to be influenced by the 
Japanese persuasions and gracefully 
joined the rank of the invaders ; he 
participated in the establishment of 
the Japanese puppet "Manchukuo" and 
accepted the post of Minister of War 
in Cabinet, but carefully preserved 
his hold on Heiiungkiang as Chairman 
of the Provincial Government ; after 
obtaining a huge sum of funds from 
the Japanese and a large quantity of 
arms and ammunition, he swiftly but 
ingenuously carried out a coup d'etat 
in Tsitsihar, openly departing from 
the provincial capital on a pretended 
inspection tour ; he went straight to 
Hailun where he effected a speedy 
reorganization of his troops and declared 
his opposition to the Manchukuo and its 
Japanese creators at the very moment 
when the Lytton Inquiry Commission 
entered Manchuria to conduct its 
investigation ; from Hailun, he issued a 
5,000 word telegram broadcasted from a 
Chinese Consulate on the Soviet Border 
exposing and denouncing the Japanese 
intrigues in Manchuria ; then he 
resumed his campaign against the 
Japanese and fought many bloody 
battles ; time and again, he was re- 
ported killed in action by the Japanese 
military, but these reports belied 
themselves by his continuous resistance ; 
when the Japanese Army launched its 
general offensive against Gen. Su Ping- 
Wen's Army in Hailar Region, in 
Sept. 1932, he joined forces with Gen. 
Su and put up a valiant but futile 
resistance against the Japanese 
onslaught and was finally forced to 
retire into Soviet Russia; after 
remaining in Russia for almost half a 
year, he went to Europe and then 
returned to China; he is an expert 
shooter and cavalry tactician; riding 
on a horse galloping he can shoot 
passing birds with a pistol in each 
hand without missing his aim; appoint- 
ed a member of the Military Affairs 
Commission of the National Govern- 
ment, June 22, 1933, which post he 
still holds ; he is now living in Tientsin. 
06:56, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  account of ma zhanshan from book  

message: This article seems to have serious issues:
*The citations for the core of the article are all from contemporary journalistic accounts, which can't be considered particularly reliable (Fenby does more or less say what the article says, though he doesn't attributes all the guerrilla actions listed in the article to Ma or his forces. His cited sources are contemporary Chinese newspapers, however, so the same issue remains.)
*There are reputable books listed at the end, but it seems unlikely that they were used for the article. One of them, Mitter, argues that Ma was a not particularly effective apolitical opportunist whose reputation was built up by contemporary Chinese sources for propaganda purposes, for example. That POV doesn't seem to be reflected anywhere in the article.
*It uses inappropriate language such as "terrorizing the Japanese invaders".
Anyway, I'll add it to the list of articles I hope to get to at some point, but in the meantime I'm going to tag it NPOV. Cckerberos (talk) 01:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV issue 

message: As the reference and Ma Zhanshan's grandson Ma Zhiwei stated, Ma Zhanshan and the family are Manchu descendants. There is a Hui Muslim Ma Zhanshan (born 1964) in Chinese government . Obviously two different people, but I kept both ethnicities listed.--Šolon (talk) 15:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: The ethnicity of Ma Zhanshan

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message: According to this thread at WikiProject China, this statue in Shanghai's New Town Central Park depicting Ma Zhanshan. Should the statue be mentioned and/or the picture added to this article? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not? Perhaps "Legacy" and "In popular culture" sections should be added to the article, since the statue was probably the result of Ma Zhanshan's prominent status in the Communist narrative of the Second Sino-Japanese War, in addition to his recent surge of popularity, helped by TV programs such as Battle of Jiangqiao in 2016. Alex Shih (talk) 04:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statue