Talk:Sans-culottes

message: While sans-culottes was originally a class term, as I understand it, it came to refer more to people holding a particularly radical (left of Jacobin) political position. Does someone have some citations for the evolution of the use of the term? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had never really heard sans-culottes as a reference to political opinion, but instead as only a class term. Although the reasoning behind making it a political term would be understandable since the majority of these sans-culottes/poorer citizens held a radical view making the two uses of the word almost interchangeable in a sense. However, if a higher class citizen held such a radical view I doubt that they would have been called a "sans-culotte", due to the fact that sans-culottes was a class term as well.JSnit 01:44, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Class and politics 

message: add a section 
Cal.2018 (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Montengards Rise to Power 

message: add a section on how they impacted the reign of terror and the culture of the revolution. ie legislators, manipulation, and mass violence
Cal.2018 (talk) 17:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reign of Terror 

message: "Culottes" is also french for "knickers" or "panties":
http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?doit=done&intl=1&tt=urltext&trtext=panties&lp=en_fr&btnTrTxt=Translate ("panties" translated into French)
"sans" means "Without". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.132.47.53 (talk • contribs) 8 September 2006.
: Glad you find it amusing, but it's not relevant to the encyclopedic topic at hand. - Jmabel | Talk 21:35, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is relevant to the origin of the term. I had learned that culottes was the term that referred to the type of pants they wore (culottes being a kind with some extra knee padding), and since these culottes were generally considered to be "rich-man" pants, the poorer citizens rejected them, thus becoming "sans-culottes" or without knee pants which was a term that they adopted for themselves. JSnit 01:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Which is already in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 06:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interesting fact 

message: This article positions Robespierre as an "extreme" radical but this was not the case relative to the opinion of the sans-culottes and Hebert, who viewed Robespierre as too moderate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sirgrotius (talk • contribs) 21 November 2006.
: Quite. I'll take a look. - Jmabel | Talk 03:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robespierre 

message: I removed this editorial comment from the article. Maybe it will be useful here. "They didn't support the Jacobins. They supported radicals and the Jacobins were hated by them. And Mr. Laity is wrong." Notinasnaid 08:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed from article 

message: Two of the three sans-culottes in the bottom picture are, in fact, wearing culottes.  Does that confuse the issue? Susan Davis (talk) 20:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pantlessness: the sans-culottes were not "without pants". This is a mis-translation. Culottes are distinct from trousers, and that was the distinction: see the contemporary images of sans-culottes for evidence. I've corrected this article appropriately. -- The Anome (talk) 16:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Without pants" 

message: Substituted at 05:26, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: This article and others employ a variety of styles for the term sans-culotte. Before I begin trying to standardise them, I thought I should seek some sort of consensus here.
The most common style seems to be lower case, hyphenated, italicised: singular sans-culotte, plural sans-culottes. In French, the word culotte is a feminine singular, so the garment is properly a culotte, not culottes. There are adjectival uses of the term in which the singular use seems appropriate: "sans-culotte army", not "sans-culottes army", for example.
In this article in particular, is it appropriate to italicise every example of the term? At present, most of the examples toward the beginning of the article are italicised, while many toward the end are not. I've obtained a copy of Soboul's The Sans-Culottes, and the choice made in the English translation is not to italicise the phrase at all.
What say you all?
Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Jean, I just checked the French Wikipedia. They have some confusion and inconsistency also; Sans-culottes appears both in roman or italics. I suggest skipping the italics and the hyphens. Especially in titles of articles or books, italics can be used. Taksen (talk) 15:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Chipping in here a bit late: We should be using  everywhere for this French term, so it would be convenient (and consistent with MOS recommendation regarding foreign language text) to italicise it. I've been rendering it in sentence case without any particular thought for consensus (just WP:BOLD, it seems the natural way to do it). The hyphen seems universal, being a way to make it a noun-phrase term rather than just an adjectival phrase. Regarding that and also plurals, we should generally do whatever the English-language sources do – if that's inconsistent with French-language sources or even French grammar, that's an interesting historiographical datum but shouldn't ultimately affect what we do here on English Wikipedia. Hairy Dude (talk) 03:34, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orthography 

message: *I see you added allover the article this template. I had never problems to find a book; not in a library or on internet without knowing where the publisher is located. Your idea comes from the era before internet. This is exaggerated. I deleted the template ten times.
*The word  is used 87 times in this article; 50 times "lang|fr|" is used. The lay out became very uneasy to read. Looking at it I almost get seasick. I hope there is another solution. 
* I see in your contributions you have not been studying the French Revolution lately and I checked several thousands.  It is impossible to explain every event and sentence to someone who did not, so I deleted twice your template "vague". I recommend to buy a book on the French Revolution; it will take you months to understand what happened and then come back or ... skip the topic, byebye.Taksen (talk) 05:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Full Citation needed