Talk:Serpent symbolism

message: In India, I believe, and seems like several other Asian countries as well, the snake is considered a symbol of beauty.  Does anyone enough information/sources on this subject to add this aspect to the article?  I know that I've read someplace that comparing a woman to a snake is a even compliment in some places, but if it wasn't in this article, I'm not sure where to find it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lironah (talk • contribs) 23:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Snake as a symbol of beauty

message: This page is a mess. The sections do not make sense. The New Testament is just as much Mythology as the other religions mentioned. The "Other Symbolic Uses" are also so connected with Mythology that is hardly makes sense to separate them. Since all serpent symbolism is mythological having a Mythology section is redundant. 
The serpent occurs in so many mythologies worldwide and it's meaning has quite some overlap in the various cultures. The examples need some kind of structure (geographically and/or chronological) that would clarify that overlap. Now they are now just thrown in together in a jumble. It would be good to start the page with a section containing a general description of what serpents represent, a kind of structuralist distillation (a la Joseph Campbell) of the various mythologies. 
Overall this article could do with a less Judaeo-Christian POV since the Genesis story is a variation of earlier Serpent myths, most notably Sumerian.
--Tchoutoye 14:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup needed

message: Though we all know about Guinea worms, I don't know where to begin to explain how this connection is impossible among early cultures never exposed to tropical Guinea worms. The misapplication of Hermes' cadeuceus to medicine is an interesting story in itself: see the article's Links:
:"The symbols entwining the staff of caduceus are not serpents. they are a type of parasite namely the guinea worm. How these worms and the staff came together is the product of the cure applied by the mesapothemians to these worms.
:In order to remove the worm from the body, it is coiled around a staff.  More information can be found under this link:
:http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/3_2SymbolsSnakesHealing.htm
Although (some) ancient people didn't make much of a distinction between snakes and worms it would be nonsense to state that the symbols on the caduceus are not serpents but guinea worms. --Tchoutoye 14:53, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Guinea worms

message: the "serpent website" link seems unappropriate here
(it refers to a music instrument, not to symbolism) — MFH:Talk 00:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  serpent website unappropriate 

message: I remember being told that the medical symbol of a snake wrapped around a stick actually comes from the piece in the Hebrew bible where a 'snake on a stick' was used to heal people (actually mentioned in the article). Is their any truth in this?
:Likely so. See Numbers 21:8-9:
 "8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived."
:*healing bronze serpent of Moses (John 3:14).
:See also John Bathurst Deane, The Worship of the Serpent, 1833.. 
:Serpents were also used in the Temple of Asclepius in ancient Greece for healing. The Rod of Asclepius (a snake curled around a rod) was so employed.
:Today, the Rod of Asclepius is said to be the basis of the symbol you refer to: "Widely recognised uses include the logos of the World Health Organization, the Star of Life, and the American Medical Association." --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc 17:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  serpent in healing 

message: That one refrence should be checked and the section needs re writing. Contrary to this article's view, the Native Americans didn't share one universal religion or belief system. If re-written, add what specific tribes believed what about serpents.
Xuchilbara 15:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Native American

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message: Italic textIn many western religions, serpents are connected with deceit, and are used to symbolize deceitfulness. An example is the serpent in the Garden of Eden, who tricks the Adam and Eve into partaking of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.''
That section is problematic. It clearly refers to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These are not western religions, if anything they are eastern (originating in the near to middle east). I briefly considered editing the article myself. My first instinct was to replace western by biblical. But that would exclude Islam I believe. Then I considered religions of the book (linking to people of the book), but that might be seen as an Islamic terminology. Actually I just found the correct link and will change the article appropriately. Abrahamic religion. Feel free to alter this if you can think of a better term and link. By the way, this article could use some sourcing, this particular section is as yet unsourced.--85.93.203.204 (talk) 13:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deceitfulness

message: The article states that "In Christianity, a connection between the Serpent and Satan is strongly made" this is not true of all Christian religions but rather is a protestant assumption, in Catholicism [which in my mind at least is clearly Christian and quite possibly the only view that should be considered universally Christian.] there is a clear distinction between the two. the Snake is a Snake, while the two both start with the letter S and you wouldn't trust either to look after your kids that doesn't make them one and the same. 
More Importantly it doesn't make them one and the same in the eyes of Christianity unless all of Christianity subscribes to that conviction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.150.111.162 (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: don't think even the most snake-hating Christian literally thinks that snakes are Satan. The identity of the Eden-serpent with Satan is found in all the Western-branch Christian churches, but not in the Eastern branches, nor in Judaism (for Jews, the serpent in Eden is simply a snake that talks - and the Hebrew for serpent sounds like the Hebrew for bronze, which might explain Moses' brazen serpent on a pole.) PiCo (talk) 01:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian Satan comparison 

message: The section seems to be missing something. It mentions anti-Semitic snake symbolism (i.e., Jews as serpents), yet is illustrated with a Jewish self-application of snake imagery, one similar to the American Gadsden Flag -- there's a whole other meaning here: we're dangerous, and therefore you'd be better off leaving us alone than starting a fight you won't win.  A.J.A. (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Political Propaganda 

message: Just a thought. It could have a lot of potential, considering the debate on whether or not it was indeed a snake or Satan.Mariomassone (talk) 16:24, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See Serpent (Bible).PiCo (talk) 07:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:   Should the serpent of Genesis get its own article?  

message: Really?  That's not a claim I've seen before, and the main section on "Serpents in Judeo-Christian Mythology" says nothing about it.  The cited source ("The American journal of urology and sexology") isn't readable online, and doesn't look as though it would be  a reliable source on the theological/mythological symbolism on serpents.  I'm not even sure if the citation is correct - the reference note says it is the 1984 edition, but the link appears to be to the 1918 edition. Iapetus (talk) 12:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In the Abrahamic religions, the serpent represents sexual desire". 

message: Why is there an illustration of the Coat of Arms of Capua? No serpent or snake appears in it, and the caption doesn't indicate how it's relevant, either. Can't it be eliminated? 74.71.74.187 (talk) 18:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coat of Arms of Capua? 

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message: Seeing as this topic strikes me as fairly important, symbolically speaking, I decided to check up on the weasel words in the intro portion. I can't find any sources that seem trustworthy. I tried checking, but I'd rather get someone to check my work before I go and remove something that may be true. Wispywillow0 (talk) 01:49, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umbilical Cord 

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The result of the move request was: page moved.  Andrewa (talk) 07:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Serpent (symbolism) →  – Since this page isn't for disambiguation, it shouldn't be structured with a parenthetical. For examples of this convention, see Plant symbolism, Human skull symbolism, Black and white hat symbolism in film. ~BappleBusiness[talk] 06:02, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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