Talk:Thomas Murphy (Irish republican)

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message: He's been arrested in the Republic by the CAB. The Lunchbox of Dooom 08:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Might I just say that Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. Has this person been found guilty of anything? However, our sister project Wikinews does exactly that, and is intended to be a primary source.--Domer48 18:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your link is misleading. It connects to the "no original thought" policy on wikipedia. Murphy's charge and arrest are reported in quotable news reports, so they are not original research. Also, the section you removed (which I, too found too detailed) did not state he is guilty of anything. If Murphy is a public figure, surely the basic fact that he was arrested and charged is important enough to be included in this article? athinaios 14:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: athinaios, I agree with you, and have returned the Arrest section to the article.  I have, however, shortened it to a more manageable size.  As is the nature of these things, if/when anything else happens on the story, and over the passage of time, it will be expanded or shortened as required. --The.Q(t)(c) 15:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: In line with the majority consensus in this discussion, I removed the reference to the subject's alleged Irish name of "Tomás Ó Murchú", provided by User:Derry Boi, as no evidence has been provided that a) the subject uses this name or b) that he has been referred to as such. There are many forms of Murphy in Irish (including Ó Murchú, Ó Murchadha and Mac Murchaidh). Names are names and there can be one version of an individual's name. Unless we know whether Slab uses an Irish name and what form this takes, this encyclopaedia should make no reference to it as it may help spread misleading, indeed false, information.--Damac 16:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: An undiscussed move was made earlier this year, to an article that's been at this location for over 10 years. This move was reverted. The move was made again, bizarrely claiming a stable version. The stable version is the location where it was for over 10 years, I have restored it. Anyone wishing to move the article should follow WP:RM#CM. Mo ainm~Talk 22:36, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, apart from your blindingly obvious political bias for reverting the move, the fact is Thomas "Slab" Murphy is now a convicted criminal (not only the title of which you reverted but also the text in the body, you slipped up there!) and - for example - Google search results show more results for his criminal conviction on tax evasion offences than any other reference made to him, including the innocuous "republican" description. He is known for being a criminal now, above all else, so the title aptly reflects that. You claim the title's move was made without discussion, yet four months after it was made you make your own move without discussing it. The titles' move was made in the dates following his conviction - an event - your move was made on a random date. IrishSpook (talk) 00:22, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Murphy's a convicted criminal. If the shoe fits... Miles Creagh (talk) 19:46, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: Neither reference supports the claim that the torture chamber was found during a search of Thomas Murphy's farm. The first reference uses the phrases "major search operation", "not far from Murphy's home" and crucially "But three hours before the search was launched, undercover surveillance officers watching the various houses due to be targeted noticed small fires suddenly appear in several gardens". Similarly the second reference uses the phrases "They were part of a 300-strong force, including police and customs on both sides of the Border, who carried out searches across 11 counties", "Also discovered in the search was a large, purpose-built torture chamber, close to Murphy's home". Neither supports the claim the chamber was found on Thomas Murphy's farm, only close to it. The search area was not limited to Thomas Murphy's farm, so it cannot be assumed it was during a specific search of the farm that the chamber was uncovered.
I am sure I am not the only one confused by an editor claiming on one hand that "while it has been alleged, it has never been proven in a public court of law", while simultaneously adding a header reading "Libel case and killing of witness", since to the best of my knowledge Thomas Murphy has never been accused of direct involvement in the killing of [a] witness as the wording intrinsically suggests. Never arrested, charged or "proven in a public court of law".
Please discuss disputed changes rather than attempting to force them through by edit warring.DanceHallCrasher (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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