Talk:Philippines/Archive 7

message: *Population Reference Bureau (2006): 86,300,000
*United Nations (2006 medium variant): 84,476,000
*National Statistics Office (2006 - scroll down to Demography): 86,973,000
*World Gazetteer (2006 - start of year): 85,712,221
*CIA Factbook (2006): 89,468,677 
--Polaron | Talk 22:31, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  For reference: 2006 mid-year population figures from various sources 

message: Hello! I would just like to ask why "Goldilocks" was removed in the section about Filipino culture. There is a real Goldilocks fastfood/bakeshop chain here in the Philippines (just like Jollibee, Greenwich and Chowking), and it's found in most major cities in the Philippines. It also has television commercials and print ads in major TV stations and serial publications. And most children's party here in the Philippines usually have cakes that were ordered from Goldilocks. If an article (even if only a stub) needs to be created for this, I'll be happy to start researching about Goldilocks. --- Tito Pao 21:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was my mistake, going too fast on RC patrol; sorry:  I fixed it.  Cheers, Antandrus  (talk) 23:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: Why are commercial establishments are even ever mentioned here?  This section should be removed and maybe place this in the Philppine Tourism sub page.  This is not an online travel book, this is an online encyclopedia.  This should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Daimengrui (talk • contribs) 11:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Goldilocks revert 

message: Explain the protection? Falconleaf 02:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reason for the semi-protection: An anon was consistently changing figures for the religion section, diverting on what was cited. I think we can remove it now. --Howard the Duck 06:32, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the site administrators can ask Filipino historians to substantiate to this article. It should only be fair.(Jonarvs 09:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think government historians will come here. But you can always be bold. Just be sure to cite them. --Howard the Duck 14:50, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection?  

message: This is a suggestion, which I hope would be considered. Even a college student could pass a more satisfatory thesis on the Philippine's history. (Jonarvs 09:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The History of the Philippines article is a featured article and was even selected to  appear at the Main Page a few weeks ago. --Howard the Duck 14:46, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Call for Filipino Historians and other Professionals in this Field

message: I hijacked this from Hong Kong, feel free to add anything, just be sure to cite it.
 Table of Hong Kong International Rankings
Date	Context                                     	Organization                                     	Ranking	Note
2004	List of countries by Human Development Index	United Nations                                   	84/177 	.763; Highest @ .965, lowest @ .311
2004	List of countries by unemployment rate      	World Factbook                                   	89/159 	11.7; Highest @ 0.00, lowest @ 90.00
2006	Corruption Perceptions Index                	Transparency International                       	121/163	2.5; Highest @ 9.6, lowest @ 1.8
2006	List of countries by public debt            	World Factbook                                   	21/114 	72.3% of GDP Highest @ 195%, lowest @ 1.8%
2006	Index of Economic Freedom                   	Heritage Foundation/The Wall Street Journal: 2006	98/157 	3.23; Highest @ 1.28, lowest @ 5.00
--Howard the Duck 15:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be good to assign a date to that citation. These things fluctuate.  --Ancheta Wis 03:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: International rankings

message: Shouldn't there be a section discussing media of the country? Newspapers, television and radio stations, etc? --Jolomo 16:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They're under the "Communications" section w/c is under in development. --Howard the Duck 07:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media? 

message: About Spanish language in Philippines
   http://www.geocities.com/kaibigankstil/
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.97.241.59 (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This should go at Spanish language in the Philippines, the article is so loooooong already, and other important sections aren't even added. Note that this article is should be a summary only. --Howard the Duck 08:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: The National Sport of the Philippines is not Sipa. It was changed by the Philippine Congress in 2002. House Bill 5284 which was authored by Rep. Juan Zubiri of Bukidnon, Philippines. The Bill declared Arnis as the National Sport of the Philippines. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jpgarciamd (talk • contribs) 04:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need sources. --Howard the Duck 07:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Howard, as for the Bill per se, I have no problem with this since bills and republic acts are public documents, and the next best thing to do is to contact the Senate website and find out if they have linkable online copies of these. However, my problem with making the Zubiri Bill as the basis for arnis as the national sport is that it is still only a bill. A bill is not yet a law, and thus it is not enforeceable until it passes all readings in the Lower House (House of Representatives, also known as the Bastusang Batasang Pambansa) and in the Upper House (the Senate). So, Jpgarciamd, I'm sorry to say this: arnis is not yet the national sport of the Philippines even if you can show us a copy of the Zubiri Bill. The fact that it's still a House Bill since 2002 means that both Houses of Congress are still deliberating whether it should be enacted into law. It's best to wait for both houses of Tongress Congress to finally pass and enact this bill into a law (like, say, Republic Act No. XXXX); then, that is the right time to consider Arnis as the Philippines' national sports. --- Tito Pao 18:58, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly, a bill has to become an act before it is a law. --Howard the Duck 07:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The National Sport of the Philippines. 

message: Since someone tagged the infobox for lack of sources, let's try to pool our resources together. I've found this website from the NCCA. It names the national tree, national flower and national bird but---take note---no specific national hero. 
With regard to national hero/heroes, there is a sub-page that gives an interesting (and, by the way, official) explanation of why no name was mentioned as the National Hero (apparently, there is a legal basis for this). (Take note, however, that this sub-page about national heroes has a 2002 copyright, so we'll need additional and more current information about this topic). --- Tito Pao 19:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: An updated textbook will be enough, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 07:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Symbols of the Philippines (Sources) 

message: My wife and I were extraordinarily interested to hear the report by a Researcher at the University of Oxford (delivered during a torrential tropical storm in Avarua) into his orignal research. This was partly because my wife (born in the Mountains to the west of Bais City) is always asked by the māori electoral candidates in New Zealand elections whether they can rely on her vote and she recognises many similarities between the Māori language and that of her childhood.
I'll be able to provide the citation when I find my old diary and get his 'phone number, but I've added this paragraph:
"Interesting research conducted at Oxford University and in Rarotonga in the Cook Islands during the last 5 years into the maternal (or Mitochondrial) DNA component has revealed that many of the inhabitants of Oriental Negros are related to the Māori of New Zealand."Gaimhreadhan 00:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed this from the article: "Interesting research conducted at Oxford University and in Rarotonga in the Cook Islands during the last 5 years into the maternal (or Mitochondrial) DNA component has revealed that many of the inhabitants of Oriental Negros are related to the Māori of New Zealand." Not backed up yet. Or does it have to be mentioned in the article, IMO, although it fits well in Ethnic groups of the Philippines and Demographios of the Philippines. --Howard the Duck 01:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   Oriental Negrenses related to the [[Māori]] of [[New Zealand]] 

message: Besides the Muslims being possibly undercounted, I feel the Chinese are also undercounted. "2%"? I feel there is a lot more than 2% Chinese. Philippines looks as if it does not have as many Chinese as the other countries in Southeast Asia, but that's because it is being made to look as if it does not have as many Chinese as its neighbors. There so many Chinese in the Philippines and they have had major contributions in the country's history. Everywhere you go in the Philippines, especially Manila, Cebu, Davao, etc., there many establishments run by ethnic Chinese. I would say that the Chinese are somewhere between 3.5-9%. I have seen some sources that state that the Chinese comprise 9%. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.161.92.188 (talk) 02:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 17,500,000 Chinese is the Philippines is a lot already, IMHO. --Howard the Duck 03:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wrong decimal point, 2% is about 1.7 million :) I think the total number of people with Chinese ethnicity in the Philippines might actually be more than that --Edward Sandstig 14:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  They appear to be numerous since they're prominent. Also, we should be following sources, unless one source debunks it. As of now I haven't seen one. --Howard the Duck 14:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, unless any sources can be provided pointing out otherwise, we leave it as is. Was just thinking out loud, though admittedly most of my experience in the Philippines is limited to the larger cities. --Edward Sandstig 20:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undercounted Chinese 

message: I also notice that CIA now left out Buddhism in the religious population profile of the Philippines. another possible undercounting. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.161.92.188 (talk) 02:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA world factbook population issue 

message: I temporary removed the following sentence fragment since it seemed a bit awkward to place it in the intro:
I looked at the languages section, but I'm a little too tired to figure out a proper way of inserting it there. Anyone have any suggestions? --Edward Sandstig 20:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to insert this but "doleful" is POV. Perhaps the Japanese are very sad. --Howard the Duck 23:31, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if the "Languages" section would be a good place to insert it. In most encyclopedias, the "Languages" sections would only enumerate and elaborate about the languages of a country and often include user statistics. To such extent allowed, we can write that English is part of the educational curriculum, and that many (if not all) can understand and can communicate (if not proficient) in English. But to write something about the decline in English usage---or, for that matter, about any Philippine language---might be out of place here. Then again, I may be wrong --- Tito Pao 23:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Declining English proficiency 

message: In my ongoing efforts to try to include every country on the planet included in the scope of a WikiProject, I have proposed a new project on Southeastern Asia at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Southeastern Asia whose scope would include the Philippines. Any interested parties are more than welcome to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start such a project. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:44, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed WikiProject 

message: *This is a photogrpah of a map displayed in the Shipweck Gallery of the West Australlian Maritime Museum , it's a copy of an origial 1595 dutch map of the region,  think maybe it could add something to some of the Philippines articles. Gnangarra 02:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map circa 1595 

message: The picture of boracay's palm trees is in the wornd place...
that should be somewhere... not in the economy! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.97.69 (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The picture 

message: Shouldn't Filipinas be the Filipino word for Philippines? The UP Diksyunaryong Filipino cites that. Pilipinas now seems tagalog anyway. --Fifteencounts 05:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree. But we would need consensus first from Filipino Wikipedians. If you don't know yet, we hang out at WP:Pinoy. Berserkerz Crit 12:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not WP:Pinoy but WP:TAMBAY --seav 15:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Filipinas, I think, may be retained for historical purposes since it was the name that the country was known as before the 20th century. I'm not sure about justifying the use of this name based on the UP Dictionary since I'm not clear how widely used is the dictionary (it only came out a little after the turn of the century/millenium). I agree that whatever name is being used in the government's official communication must remain official (that is, "Pilipinas") and must be retained in the article. --- Tito Pao 21:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Officially, there is now. The revised Filipino alphabet has 28 letters, including the letter "f". It's being taught now from grade school to college. --- Tito Pao 22:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there are still only 26 Tagalog letters, Titopao is mentioning the Filipino language alphabet. I think Filipinas is the Spanish and Filipino translation, while Pilipinas is the Tagalog translation. --Howard the Duck 10:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is also correct. In the current grade school and high school curriculum, "Ñ" and "NG" are considered separate letters. --- Tito Pao 12:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually pilipina4ever mentioned Tagalog, Tagalog and Filipino are supposedly two different languages. The kids learn Filipino, not Tagalog. --Howard the Duck 08:58, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filipinas? 

message: The official languages are English and Filipino. Please do not list Spanish as it is no longer an official language. If you must mention that it used to be put the information where it belongs. In the history section.
:Somebody keeps insisting that Spanish is official in a misguided effort to reinstall the language.--Jondel 04:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As if adding Spanish in the official languages achieves anything hehe. --Howard the Duck 06:36, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Official languages

message: From Philippines#History (version as of 09:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ancestors […] settled in northern Luzon around 2500 BC. […]. Muslim […] traders made contact with the Philippines during the course of the next thousand years […].
There's obviously some mistake here.--GrafZahl 09:12, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to Arab. --Howard the Duck 02:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muslim traders/contradiction 

message: Hey the Philippine template on the bottom of the page is not expansive enough, unlike his one:
so I'm going to temporay use this one:
—23prootie 18:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I just use this one:
 
–—23prootie 18:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you'd ask me, I'd rather have no navigational templates at the bottom since everyone would then add his or her own pet topic making it looooooooong. --Howard the Duck 02:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Template

message: Isn't the English version of "Lupang Hinirang" is "Land of the Morning"? Although I'd agree "Chosen Land" is the English translation of "Lupang Hinirang", I wonder which is more suitable to state in the infobox although to the best of my knowledge, "Land of the Morning" isn't official. --Howard the Duck 09:44, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having been privy to the discussions on the Lupang Hinirang article, here's the real score: Land of the Morning was, in fact, the official translation by a law during the Commonwealth period. Its "official" status was superseded by subsequent legislations, notably a republic act ratified during the Ramos administration (to be precise, in 1998. That act, of course, made the Lupang Hinirang (in its Tagalog translation) the official and legally canonical version (in fact, the entire lyrics are on the text of the law itself), but it didn't specifically outlaw Land of the Morning as the legally "official" English translation. Chosen Land, on the other hand, is original to Wikipedia and is a literal line-by-line translation of the original Spanish lyrics ("tierra de amores"---but come to think of it, "de amores" is not the same as "chosen"..."beloved" is more like it). If you'd ask me, though, I'd still choose Land of the Morning because it's the historic English version that obtained legal status. --- Tito Pao 07:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lupang Hinirang 

message: why does it say that filipinos are descentdances from INDONESIANS!? didn't the austronesian peoples(who native filipinos are) come from Taiwan and southern china?? it seems a big weird to say that we are of 'indonesian' descent when it isn't the corect term! austronesian or malay would better much better... just my opinion.... so i changed it back to what it used to sayAustralian Jezza 07:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That was the old theory, dunno if it was officially debunked... --Howard the Duck 10:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Indonesian descent

message: Hello everyone! You may want to go to Latin cultures an participate in the article and discussion. There are a lot of disputed statements... The Ogre 12:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin cultures