Talk:Shingles/Archive 1

message: Added public domain text from http://www.ninds.nih.gov/health_and_medical/disorders/shingles_doc.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.253.39.89 (talk) 05:03, 5 August 2002 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial text

message: However, prior to the vaccine, it has long been known that adults received natural immune boosting from contact with children infected with varicella. This helped to suppress the reactivation of herpes zoster.  Sounds like anti-vaccine drivel to me, but I'll give it a week or so. -- KelleyCook 20:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a study out of Boston, Mass.  Gentgeen 20:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yeah I had just found it referenced in the Yih study and was about to strikeout my comment KelleyCook 20:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation needed

message: Whoever wrote that this ailment is known as St Anthony's fire in Italy and Malta... are you sure of that? in France, the term is known to have been used to designate ergotism, which was particularly virulent in the high and late middle ages ... and I doubt that usage would have varied that much.--Svartalf 20:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The italian version of Wikipedia (see Ergot) states that the term fuoco di Sant'Antonio, as well as fuoco sacro (sacred fire) and fuoco degli ardenti (fire of the burning men), was applied indistinctly to both shingles and ergotism during the Middle Ages (some early symptoms are similar, so the confusion is understandable). Ergotism being much less common nowadays, the term continues to be applied to shingles almost exclusively. About ergotism being uncommon in Italy, there are documented outbreaks in Milan in 1128 and 1132 (the last one in 1795), as well as Turin (1798) and other cities in continental Italy (which by the way can hardly be defined "mediterranean"). Rye was (and still is) a very common crop, at least in northern Italy. -- EmirCalabuch 14:52, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Anthony's Fire 

message: Is it possible to get shingles (if you're a bigger person) underneath your belly?
perry
It's possible to get shingles on any part of the body however some locations are much more common.--Gbleem 12:27, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  shingles 

message: The main text says things tend to clear up in 3-5 weeks, but the Stages section says 4-5 days.  I wonder if that refers to the person in the photograph specifically -- if so it should be clarified. Cbogartdenver 13:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  stages 

message: is herpes zoster an STD? crabs and scabies and HPV can be transmitted skin to skin, which makes me think that this may also be an STD, if so i think it should be added to Template STD/STI Qrc2006 09:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an STD. There are lots of diseases that can be transmitted by skin to skin contact or during sex that are not considered STD's. --Gbleem 12:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, if you contract the viracella zoster virus from someone with shingles, you develop chicken pox, not shingles. Gentgeen 04:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: std

message: "Prior to implementation of the universal varicella vaccination program in the U.S., incidence of shingles increased with advancing age." This is confusing to me because later the article says that shingles will increase because of lack of exposure to unvaccinated children. If I assume incidence is measured including all people then maybe there is a clearer way to say this? --Gbleem 03:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  vaccination effect 

message: Does Herpes Zoster have anything to do with Herpes Simplex? Are they caused by 2 completely different viruses?
Why are the names similar?Pvkc 20:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a link to the introduction that should make that easier to find. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Meggar (talk • contribs) 07:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case you did not get the answer you wanted, there are approximately 8 herpes viruses that infect human beings.  Herpes zoster, when in chicken pox form, is called varicella zoster, is related to Herpes simplex.  However, zoster is not an STD, it's only contagious when the skin is erupted, and has a different etiology.  You should read the Herpesviridae for more information.  Orangemarlin 23:27, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Herpes Zoster vs Herpes Simplex 

message: I am thinking chickenpox should be mentioned in the first paragraph due to the interconnection between the two.  MDSNYDER 17:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Orangemarlin 23:24, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chickenpox

message: Digestive Enzymes, are available on script and in some over the counter preparations. Before the availability of antivirals, oral pancreatic enzyme therapy in shingles was used in some countries and later subjected to clinical and scientific research. A large scale multi-centre clinical study, using an oral preperation of such enzymes, has shown promising results.  The results of another clinical study support the concept that oral enzyme therapy is beneficial in diseases characterized in part by TGF-beta overproduction that included shingles patients.  TGF-B has also been found higher in instances of VZV   Jagra 01:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (The material in the rest of this section was added by 65.11.249.253 in the same edit  as above. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: COMPLEMENTARY THERAPIES

message: It's time for you to read red flags.  But in case you fail to read it, I'll list them here:
	
* Surprising or apparently important claims that are not widely known--none of the claims that are made are known by any medical practitioner, have not been well studied under the scientific method, or are published widely.
* Claims not supported or claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view in the relevant academic community. Be particularly careful when proponents say there is a conspiracy to silence them--many of the claims that have been written are contradicted by the sources utilized, but in many cases are contradicted by the prevailing standard of care in medicine.
Exceptional claims should be supported by multiple reliable sources, especially regarding scientific or medical topics.  There are no reliable sources that have been utilized in the edits, except for ones that specifically state the opposite or have no statement about the claims.  WP:Fringe theories are not acceptable in this article, not just by me, but a number of editors who have reviewed it, including one administrator who's attention was brought to this article.  I do not make threats, nor do I ever take anything to any type of community action, but your edit warring is pushing all of us.  It's time to stop, and gain consensus, if you can.  But read your articles first, because you have not proven any claim that you make.  Orangemarlin 01:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cease your edit warring

message: Here are my suggestions:
* References are needed:
**"Shingles incidence is high in the elderly (over 60)"
**"It affects some 1 million people per year in the United States"
***I could not find this statement.  Orangemarlin 16:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Review 

message: I'm kind of puzzled by this sentence: "Shingles cannot be passed from one person to another." It then goes on to say how you can catch shingles from another person. Am I missing something? Truncat 19:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: let me read it more carefully, but Shingles itself cannot be passed from one person to another.  However, if you have never had Chicken Pox, you will get chicken pox from a person who has shingles.  Does that make sense?  Orangemarlin 19:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I reread the section, and it's clear.  Shingles cannot be passed from one person to another.  So if you have had chicken pox, you can be next to someone with shingles and never catch it.  If you have resistance (either through having chicken pox or getting the varicella vaccine), you will not get the disease.  If you have no resistance, then you will get chicken pox, not shingles.  Really, I hope that makes sense. Orangemarlin 19:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be better to discuss infection/contagion/transmission in terms of the infecting organims rather than the manifest condition?  At presentt hat bit is awkwardly phrased. Midgley 17:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contagiousness 

message: This needs a complete rewrite: "The use of complementary therapies in post herpetic neuralgia (PHN) has been called for by some medical professionals, in the management of aged patients.[citation needed] Although unproven in randomized clinical trials, it may assist in improving patient outcomes and reducing healthcare costs.[18] Cyanocobalamin Vitamin B 12, is naturally found in meats and dairy foods and is also obtained from vitamin supplements or fortified foods. Vitamin B12 deficiency may reduce white blood cell count, so it may be used as a complement to standard antiviral therapy.[19]" •Jim62sch• 21:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gibberish

message: Recent review in the British Medical Journal  JFW | T@lk 09:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good article.  I need to get the PubMed code for it.  Orangemarlin 03:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  BMJ 

message: I found the similarities between pictures of herpes zoster on the hands and Dyshidrotic eczema on the hands unnervingly alike. I spent many days sweating it out that I had shingles. Could someone peraps find a place to add in addition to the fact that Herpes Zoster is quite unusual on the hands it looks alot like Dyshidrotic eczema (it really does!)Perhaps this seems superfluous, I think it is alike enough to warrent note (?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.3.151.34 (talk) 23:29, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  on the hands and feet