Talk:Romance copula

message: Can someone please help me convert all the conjugation tables at the end of the article to proper table format?  — Chameleon 13:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tables

message: I think this article should give more recognition to the theory that some forms of ser derive from sedere, simply because several scholarly sources make this assertion.  Currently the article starts off with the assertion that the modern Romance copula is derived only from esse and stare.  The only mention of the sedere theory is 
:According to the dictionary of the Real Academia, the verb ser derives from the Latin verb "to sit":
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    * SEDERE → *seder → seer → ser
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:However, although it is possible that SEDERE may have been absorbed and merged into ser, it is clear that the meaning and the majority of the forms of the modern Spanish verb come from ESSE.
I'm pretty sure I recall Jozsef Herman supporting sedere in his Vulgar Latin.  It seems to me that Herman and the Royal Spanish Academy (as a start) make the sedere approach notable enough to deserve slightly more prominent coverage here.  (A linguist friend suggested to me that esser is the majority scholarly view and sedere is the minority view, but lots of Wikipedia articles discuss minority scholarly views in more detail or more prominently.)  I'm not familiar enough with the controversy to have an opinion.  Schoen 19:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Amusingly, now I have the opposite criticism of the article: it asserts the sedere theory without suggesting that there is any alternative. :-)  Schoen 04:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article looks OK now. But aren't some present-tense forms of the copula (especially 2sg. sei etc., 2pl. siete etc., 1pl. siamo etc.), and various others, also descended from forms of sedere in several (not all) of the languages? Perhaps this could be made more explicit in the article. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Italian forms of 'be' have nothing to do with sedere (which exists as a full verb 'sit', has undergone the expected stress-conditioned diphthongization -- siedo but sediamo, etc.). The question unaddressed is whether sedere forms were adopted for 'be' in Spanish for any item other than eroded infinitive (and infinitive-based future and conditional).47.32.20.133 (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esser vs. sedere 

message: At the start of the conjugation section, it's said that only simple tenses will be listed, as all Romance languages have many compound tenses as well. Yet lower in the page many compound tenses appear. I guess the original spirit of this article has been a little forgotten. I've been working on a more compact version of the conjugation tables which might put the article back on track, but would appreciate some feedback. I know there are probably some mistakes below, but let me know what you think of this format. FilipeS 09:04, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thinking better, it doesn't seem to make much sense to proscribe periphrases from an article whose topic is the copula. This not primarily about historical linguistics or etymology... FilipeS 22:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging the conjugation tables 

message: Is this right?
adjective	with estar 	with ser
bueno    	tasty, sexy	good
I thought estar bueno was "to be good" and ser bueno was "to be kind"... FilipeS 15:06, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe ser bueno is both "to be good" and "to be kind", depending of the context. Estar bueno is "to be sexy" or "to be looking good" at least in south america. Can't really say if this atis true in other places too. 200.233.128.89 15:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tasty, sexy?! 

message: In the "Nuance" section for the Spanish language, the article gives "he is got old" as a possible translation for "Está viejo".  However, that makes no sense in English.  You could say "He has got old" or "He is getting old"; I think the latter is what the author intended, as it fits with the other examples.  If no one objects within a few days, I'll change "got" to "getting".  
Seansinc (talk) 08:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is got? 

message: STARE sounded quite distinct from ESSE(RE) and SEDERE, just as it does today. 47.32.20.133 (talk) 18:56, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  *essere, stāre and sedēre sounded similar in Latin