Talk:Charlie Chaplin/Archive 1

message: Sir is not a part of his name - why is it bolded? --webkid 19:36, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: His title?

message: If I remember correctly he was a composer as well, this doesn't seem to be mentioned in the article. Can anyone verify this?
*I believe he wrote the music to all his films and the popular song "Smile" --james_anatidae 04:19, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
That's true. The song was also recorded by Nat King Cole. Many people recognize his version of it and don't know that it was actually Chaplin who's responsible for that beautiful song. 03:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composer? 

message: It says on the FBI files that Charlie Chaplin paid child support until the child was 18, not 21.  Which is correct? http://www.fadetoblack.com/foi/charliechaplin/bio2.html
Someone reverted the change, so someone must disagree.
: Actually, either the analysis at the fadetoblack.com website is incorrect or they were working from inaccurate information (which is very possible, considering they were looking at the FBI file).  All the other sources that I've seen say age 21.  Jwadeg 00:49, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child Support? 

message: From the article: "He came out of his exile and collected his award less than a month before the death of J. Edgar Hoover."  Er, so what?  It was also less than a month before The Rolling Stones released Exile On Main Street.  Can anyone tell me why this would matter? -- Plutor 20:15, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  J. Edgar Hoover 

message: This is the first time I saw that Chaplin died after a stroke. From many sources, including the official biography by David Robinson, I know that Chaplin died in his sleep (due to heart failure, i.e. old age) on the early morning of Christmas 1977. 
Could the person who wrote the that part of his private life or anyone else quote the source? Unless some new discovery has been made, I'd prefer sticking to the official biography.
--Teddy 12 Semptember, 2005
: all accounts i have read have stated that chaplin died in his sleep on christmas morning 1977 at the age of 88 at his home in vevey with his family.
===Dislike of Christmas===
In a TV interview, Geraldine Chaplin joked that his father died in Christmas just to spoil it for his family. Chaplin disliked Christmas since he had very poor ones (he was given "an orange") as a child. --Error 18:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of death 

message: In a TV interview, Geraldine Chaplin joked that his father died in Christmas just to spoil it for his family. Chaplin disliked Christmas since he had very poor ones (he was given "an orange") as a child. --Error 18:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dislike of Christmas

message: In the Fatty Arbuckle article is mentioned that he was the first to earn $ 1 million a year ("At the height of his career"). Who was the first? Can somebody answer this question? Thanks, Alexander 84.154.4.109 09:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Impressive response. Thanks. Alexander Z. 22:50, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I noticed the same thing yesterday, and was going to say something. I don't know the answer. —LonelyPilgrim 23:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that it was Fatty, myself, since he was the first that turned into a huge star. I'm not sure, though. 惑乱 分からん 05:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: O.k., thank you. I'll look for some external sources, printed biographies or anyything else. Alexander Z. 15:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  $ 1 million contract? 

message: The article features the following tidbits of information: Chaplin became a naturalised American in 1917. to later state: In 1952, Chaplin left the US for a trip to England; Hoover learned of it and negotiated with the INS to revoke his re-entry permit. These seem to be contradictory. If he was granted citizenship then he wouldn't need a re-entry permit (I guess). Can somebody check up on this? Chelman 12:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naturalisation and Exile 

message: There seems to be some evidence that Charlie Chaplin was a Gypsy - ref: http://www.imninalu.net/famousGypsies.htm
any thoughts? 81.77.78.217 18:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roma Gypsy 

message: Here is more info on Chaplin's Roma ancestry in the form of quotes from his autobiography: http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Charlie_Chaplin.html
:There is often a reticence about Roma ancestry, but not in Chaplin's case (at least not in his autobiography, perhaps publicly there was).  It's puzzling that this isn't referred to in the article. Hakluyt bean 23:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roma ancestry 

message: I notice that the filmography is given by year then in alphabetical order.  Would there be any merit in showing these in the generally accepted chronological order, with break down by studio?
Order is as follows:
Keystone Studios (* denotes not written and directed by Chaplin)
1914
01. Making a Living*
02. Kid Auto Races*
03. Mabel's Strange Predicament*
04. Between Showers*
05. A Film Johnnie*
06. Tango Tangles*
07. His Favourite Pastime*
08. Cruel, Cruel Love*
09. The Star Boarder*
10. Mabel At The Wheel* 
11. Twenty Minutes Of Love 
12. Caught in a Cabaret* 
13. Caught in the Rain
14. A Busy Day
15. The Fatal Mallet*
16. Her Friend The Bandit  (this is the only Charlie Chaplin film that has not survived)
17. The Knockout*
18. Mabel's Busy Day*
19. Mabel's Married Life
20. Laughing Gas
21. The Property Man
22. The Face on the Bar-Room Floor
23. Recreation
24. The Masquerader
25. His New Profession
26. The Rounders
27. The New Janitor
28. Those Love Pangs
29. Dough and Dynamite
30. Gentlemen of Nerve
31. His Musical Career
32. His Trysting Place
33. Tillie's Punctured Romance*
34. Getting Acquainted
35. His Prehistoric Past
Essanay
1915
36. His New Job
37. A Night Out
38. The Champion
39. In The Park
40. A Jitney Elopement
41. The Tramp
42. By The Sea
43. Work
44. A Woman
45. The Bank
46. Shanghaied
47. A Night in the Show
also in 1915, Chaplin had a cameo in His Regeneration, which is not generally considered a Chaplin title.
1916
48. Charlie Chaplin's Burlesque on Carmen
49. Police
1918
50. Triple Trouble (film put together by Essanay from unfinished Chaplin films two years after he had left the company) 
Mutual Film Corporation
1916
51. The Floorwalker 
52. The Fireman
53. The Vagabond 
54. One A.M.
55. The Count
56. The Pawnshop
57. Behind the Screen
58. The Rink
1917
59. Easy Street
60. The Cure
61. The Immigrant
62. The Adventurer
First National
1918
63. A Dog's Life 
64. The Bond
65. Shoulder Arms
1919
66. Sunnyside
67. A Day's Pleasure
??. The Professor (uncompleted Chaplin film) ?1919
1920
68. The Kid
69. The Idle Class
1922
70. Pay Day
1923
71. The Pilgrim
United Artists
1923
72. A Woman of Paris
1925
73. The Gold Rush
1928
74. The Circus
1931
75. City Lights
1936
76. Modern Times
1940
77. The Great Dictator
1947
78. Monsieur Verdoux
1952
79. Limelight
Later Productions
1957
80. A King in New York
1967
81. A Countess from Hong Kong
Plus in 1959, Chaplin edited First National shorts A Dog’s Life, Shoulder Arms and The Pilgrim together to form a single feature length film entitled The Chaplin Revue.
Miscellaneous Contributions:
The Nut (1921) (cameo only)    
   
Souls For Sale (1923) (cameo only)    
   
A Woman of the Sea (1926) (produced only)    
   
Show People (1928) (cameo only)
--Robsinden 13:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed the awkward chronological/alphabetical mix in the order too, and was planning to order them chronologically, with months & days in parentheses within the multi-entry years. I may get around to doing that later today, unless someone else beats me to it. --Rizzleboffin 13:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was researching on the BFI site[] and also the dvd booklets with regard to the chronology and with the Keystone films especially, the release order sometimes does not concur with the production order.  It seems the above production order is widely accepted. -- Robsinden 13:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Should I move my above list over to main page? -- Robsinden 13:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's OK, Robs-- I've got a new filmography in the works, based on your list above, and adding dates and a few details. I should have time to finish it up in a couple hours, and I'll post it then. --Rizzleboffin 20:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  OK, I've posted the updated filmography. The question now becomes, does this list of nearly 100 films belong in the article, or should it have its own article with a link to it here? --Rizzleboffin 21:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filmography Order 

message: I just changed the reference to date of death as Christmas Day back to December 25; there's no relevant reason for pointing out that the day was a holiday in some cultures. (Chaplin's not a Christian church figure.) Additionally, the term could be confusing to some folks from other parts of the world. Add to that the fact that Christmas can be celebrated on January 7, as in the Eastern Orthodox Church. --Grahamtalk/mail/e 06:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 25 

message: This seems to be going back and forth. Can we discuss it here? --Guinnog 11:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Low-intensity edit war

message: I am intrigued by the statement that "There is no evidence of Jewish ancestry for Chaplin himself. Chaplin's half-brother, Sydney, was three-fourths-Jewish."  I am trying to work out how this is possible (yes, the statement is made that way on the web page linked to).  Maybe his mother was not Jewish, nor his father, but Sydney's father was 300% Jewish?  I haven't done anything to edit the (excellent!) page on Charlie, but someone should probably demote his brother to being half Jewish, like me. Felsenst 19:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but if Sydney and Charlie Chaplin's mother was half Jewish and Sydney Chaplin's father was a full Jew, that would logically make Sydney three-quarters Jewish! (and Charlie quarter Jewish). Makes sense? Colin4C 10:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No.  Not if "There is no evidence of Jewish ancestry for Chaplin himself."  Then Charlie's mother would not be in any way Jewish, and Sydney could not be more than half Jewish. Sydney may have said otherwise, which would just  show that he was wise to go into show business rather than mathematics!  Felsenst 23:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was how much Jewish? 

message: Since I feel Chaplin is notable enough to warrant articles on all his movies, I'm interested in doing one on his never-completed film The Freak. All I know of it is basically what I wrote here which was from My Life in Pictures -- he wrote a script for Victoria, started rehearsing, she ran off to get married, and it never got done. Does anyone know anything more about this? Is his script kept in any archive somewhere? 23skidoo 01:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Freak

message: I've started an approach that may apply to Wikipedia's Core Biography articles: creating a branching list page based on in popular culture information.  I started that last year while I raised Joan of Arc to featured article when I created Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc, which has become a featured list.  Recently I also created Cultural depictions of Alexander the Great out of material that had been deleted from the biography article.  Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this as a model for the editors here.  Regards, Durova 15:54, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cultural depictions of Charlie Chaplin]] 

message: What is the actual title of this 1916 film? Wikipedia had a link at Police (film) which goes to a more prevalent 1985 French film, but in the process I discovered a stub at Police!. IMDB doesn't have the apostrophe, and neither did your listing here, but I figured if anyone would know the right answer, it would be these editors... -- nae'blis 20:59, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Police'' film title? 

message: Unless this was originated in some other state than California, the claim looks dubious.  California recognized common law marriages consummated on its own soil only if they began before the year 1900. Durova 02:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common law marriage to [[Paulette Goddard]]? 

message: If you see someone with an IP similar to 71.249.95.231 edit this page, it is most likely vandalism.  Don't edit over it but revert it to the previous edit (go to edit history, click on a previous edit and click "edit this page" to revert it to that edit). Esn 06:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: also consider adding a warning template to the (ip)users talk page (for more info see Wikipedia:Vandalism). Rami R 09:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandal

message: I'm just wondering about the veracity of this statement in the article:
:At the outbreak of World War I, Chaplin was widely criticized in the British press for not joining the Army.
At the outbreak of WW1 (1914) Charlie Chaplin had just started performing in his very first films for Keystone and was not, as far as I am aware, very well known to the British Press or anyone else (apart from maybe a few music-hall aficionados???).Colin4C 21:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is This True? 

message: For the person who keeps debolding the "Sir" please stop. It is Wikipedia convention (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Honorific prefixes) to do so. Also you say, he wasnt born a "Sir", true but Margaret Thatcher wasnt born Baroness Thatcher, but thats bolded. Sir should be bolded, as so many other pages say. --Berks105 09:52, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sir