Talk:Battle of Zornoza

message: From Pancorbo to Amorebieta there are 100 kilometers. In Spanish is known as batalla de Zornoza, and Zornoza (Basque script: Zornotza) is Amorebieta-Echano (Amorebieta-Etxano).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.41.241.112 (talk) 13:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pancorbo or Zornoza? 

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The result of the move request was: Moved.  Vpab15 (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Battle of Pancorbo (1808) → 
I agree with what was said by 83.41.241.112 above under the header of “Pancorbo or Zornoza?” 
Pancorbo cannot be correct. We all know that the battle took place somewhere between Bilbao and Durango. Pancorbo is approximately 70-71 kilometers away from either Bilbao or Durango.
Chandler is the only historian that I have seen that uses the word Pancorbo when describing the battle. The only coordinating reference made to the location by Chandler is the statement that Blake's army was straggling “hesitantly eastward from Reynosa through Bilbao” when he was attacked.
I can cite four other references that refer to the battle as the “Battle of Zornoza” and place the battle closer to Bilbao and/or Durango. Two are already shown as references for the article and I will add two additional references. To wit:
1)	The German language Military-historical War Lexicon (1618-1905) makes no mention of Pancorbo, but refers to the event as simply a place where armed forces met (as opposed to battled). The lexicon calls the location Zornoza and equates it to Durango. It describes the location as a village in Biscay Spain, 16 kilometers east of Bilbao. See page 632.
2)	Digby Smith in The Napoleonic Wars Data Book calls the military action a “clash” and places it at Zornoza (now Amorebieta). Measuring by means of Google Earth, I place Amorebieta approximately 17 kilometers southeast of Bilbao. Digby Smith describes the site as a village in the northern Spanish mountains about 12 kilometers east of the fortified Biscayan port of Bilbao at the junction of Routes 634 and 6315. Digby Smith makes no mention of Pancorbo. See pages 268-269.
3)	Colonel Nick Lipscombe (chairman of Peninsular War 200 (now dissolved), the official organisation established in 2008 to commemorate the bicentenaries of the battles and sieges of the Peninsular War 1808–1814) places the battle at Zornoza in The Peninsular War Atlas. Colonel Lipscombe places the battle on the road between Durango and Bilbao and provides a full page map of the engagement. Colonel Lipscombe makes no mention of Pancorbo. See pages 66-69.
4)	J. Rickard, author of the comprehensive Military History Encyclopedia on the Web describes the action as the Battle of Zornoza. http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/battles_zornoza.html J. Rickard describes the battle as taking place south of Bilbao in the vicinity of the heights of San Martin which borders the Bilbao-Durango road. J. Rickard makes no mention of Pancorbo.
With these references as my sources. I believe that I have shown that Pancorbo is incorrect and that Zornoza (now Amorebieta) is correct. So I plan now to edit and amend the article and the geographic coordinates. I will add two new references (the Lipscombe Atlas, and the Rickard Military History website) along with appropriate citations. Finally, I plan to rename the article (a Wikipedia move) the Battle of Zornoza.
Anyone disagree?
Thanks VFF0347 (talk) 01:09, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planning to rename and move the article