Talk:As'ad AbuKhalil

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* "Silverstein" :
** <ref>The Angry Arab News Service/وكالة أنباء العربي الغاضب
** “A Statue to Reason”, By Ken Silverstein (Harper's Magazine)
DumZiBoT (talk) 17:33, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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message: 9 out of the 17 references on this page are to AbuKhalil's self-published blog. This situation has to be remedied and improved. Plot Spoiler (talk) 01:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem Templates: Primary Sources, Self-Published Sources 

message: I've reviewed the two posts by AbuKhalil that are in question. While they certainly can be interpreted as being extremely offensive, any such interpretation by a Wikipedia editor would constitute Original Research. In addition, given that this article is a WP:BLP, making interpretations like this is a definite red flag.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Secondary sources would be needed to include the blog posts. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, this is clearly original research synthesized by an editor and no evidence in the form of reliable secondary source coverage has been presented to demonstrate that this information is notable at all. Sean.hoyland - talk 03:50, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the repeated insertion of this material without discussion on the talk page, it may be necessary to place this article under semi-protection.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 04:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are still applying your own interpretation of AbuKhalil's remarks from Primary Sources (in this case, two one-line posts from AbuKhalil's blog) to support your conclusion about AbuKhalil intentions. Yes, your interpretation is certainly plausible, however, Wikipedia:PSTS clearly states that "All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than to the original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." In addition, this article is a WP:BLP, which means that there is also a serious risk of libel. To ensure accuracy (and to avoid lawsuits), interpretations such as these do not belong in Wikipedia unless they are supported by a secondary source.{Hyperionsteel (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All the accounts adding this material are the same person. You dont need to spend the time arguing against them, there isnt an argument to be had here. nableezy - 03:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

text: If you want to discuss it and follow the rules, self-revert your edit. If you don't self-revert or don't want to follow policy, it will be reverted. There needs to be consensus for material to be included in BLPs. This is cherry picked primary sourced material with no evidence of notability. If there is more material that doesn't comply with WP:ABOUTSELF, remove it rather than add more. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What counts as evidence of notability? If one requires an outside source, I'm going to delete a number of things from this article. Then I'm going to go to every article about a person and apply the unreasonable standard and tell them to ask why sean.hoyland wants to protect As'ad Abukhalil from being quoted on his own page.Bazinga139 (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an unreasonable standard. The policy is described at Wikipedia:Due#Due_and_undue_weight. Disrupting a charity is wrong. You should not edit disruptively as you did here, here and here just because I have edited the articles in question. In the first two cases the material comes from the cited sources as you could easily verify for yourself. In the third case you could have easily added sources yourself rather than remove well known uncontroversial facts about a famous artist's work. What I want is for all editors to follow the rules, and if they are unable to follow the rules despite having them explained to them, I want them blocked. For your interest, I know nothing about As'ad AbuKhalil and I have not read his blog a single time other than in connection with editing this article. That should give you a clearer understanding of what I want when I edit Wikipedia. Sean.hoyland - talk 14:07, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's utter BS. If you were so damn concerned about "undue weight", you would have removed the other parts of the article which cited AbuKhalil from his own blog. Instead, you only deleted the embarrassing quotes. You and other anti-Israel editors are protecting AbuKhalil from looking bad because of some nasty things he said. You'll lose eventually.Bazinga139 (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't I say I was concerned. If I were concerned you would already be blocked and this article would already be semi-protected. I'm implementing the content rules according to my understanding of them. I haven't looked at the other parts of the article you are referring to. My concern is disruption by people targeting the article. I have looked at your edits, earlier edits that appeared in my watchlist that also didn't comply with policy and the 2 subsequent edits to add more Wiki-editor sampled primary sourced material. So, your conclusions are invalid. Maybe one day I will look at the rest of the article and change things, or you could do it yourself as I have already told you, but right now I am looking at your edits. I'm not an anti-Israel editor but I do donate time to deal with a variety of disruptive and dishonest ethno-nationalist extremists who make Israel supporters look bad, if that is what you mean by anti-Israel. I see it as protecting a charity from disruption. If the subject of the article said something you regard as embarrassing and there is evidence, in the form of reporting of that information by a reliable secondary source, that someone that matters cares about it i.e. not you, it can be added to the article, as long as there is consensus for inclusion. The only thing that matters to me is that it complies with policy. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You and other editors did not care about the article quoting Asad's own words until his words embarrassed him. (Consider the quote about the ways an Israeli could "redeem" himself in Asad's eyes; this was just a quote from his blog.) Therefore, you cannot argue that you're *only* concerned about complying with policy, because you (and/or other editors) didn't care about the policy until it hurt Asad's reputation. Selective enforcement of policy is bad for wikipedia. You're the one hurting it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazinga139 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly I can argue that I'm *only* concerned about complying with policy because that is exactly what I did. When I say something, I mean it. Whether you believe it or not doesn't matter in the slightest to me. You are free to consider all of the policy violations in the other 4.3+ million articles, many thousands of which are on my and other editors' watchlists, and derive any conspiracy theory you like to explain why we haven't fixed those. It's your life. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:22, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
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