Template talk:Infobox animanga

message: Similarly to Template:Infobox film, is it possible to add fields for budget and gross to the template's film infoboxes? Morgan695 (talk) 04:33, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconding this. Budget and gross parameters would be nice, as some anime films have documented such. lullabying (talk) 04:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

text: I support this per lullabying, would be very useful. — Goszei (talk)  08:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just added support for "Budget" and "Box office" fields. The "type" parameters for which the fields are enabled can be seen in this diff: Special:Diff/1017991620/1033038512. I considered adding budget support for OVA/ONA, but I thought that may be too broad. — Goszei (talk)  18:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

text: Support 08:43, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parameter for budget and gross for anime films 

message: The current parameter order for print works (manga and novels) looks like this:
*Written by
*Illustrated by
*Published by
*English publisher
*Imprint
*Magazine
*English magazine
*Demographic
*Original run
*Volumes
My main problem with this is that it fails to be chronological, which is a more logical ordering that enables smoother reading. Here is my proposal:
*Written by
*Illustrated by
*Published by
*Magazine
*Imprint
*Demographic
*Original run
*Volumes
*English publisher
*English magazine
(1) I moved the English-language publishing info to the bottom, since everything above that is (typically) information on the Japanese run and volumes, and mixing these in breaks that continuity. English versions also typically happen chronologically after the JP run and volumes are done, so placement after "Original run" and "Volumes" seems logical. I also think there is value in placing the fields right next to each other, since they are closely related. (2) I moved "Imprint" below "Magazine", because that makes more sense chronologically for the vast majority of cases; collected editions under an imprint usually start after serialization begins in a magazine. (3) I think that "Demographic" can remain after both Magazine and Imprint (instead of being directly under Magazine) because the imprint usually has the same associated demographic. I am open to moving Demographic under Magazine, however.
To see how the proposed order looks when used in an article, you can preview "Infobox animanga/Print/sandbox" in place of "Infobox animanga/Print" in any manga article. Thoughts on this proposal? — Goszei (talk)  07:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: If this proposal goes through, there is potential for a similar reordering of the Licensee and English network fields for Video works. — Goszei (talk)  08:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Support Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 08:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Print parameter order proposal 

message: I find this parameter questionable for a couple of reasons. The first is that the wording in the infobox implies "television channel that the programme broadcast on in England" and not "English-language television channels that the programme was broadcast on", which seems needlessly specific and is confusing if television channels from outside England are listed (while it is implausible that an anime would only be broadcast in England and not Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, it probably is possible with the different ITV regions). Secondly listing off all the different television channels that broadcast a programme in English seems like it could quickly become unwieldy, if it had to include channels from the US, the UK, Canada, Australia, India, Singapore, South Africa, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Ireland, etc. I don't know what should be done about the latter issue, but at the very least the wording in infoboxes should be changed to clarify that the English language is being referred to rather than the English geographical area. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 15:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: To say "English-language" instead of simply "English" would make the infobox parameter text take up more space and thus be harder to read for no real reason. It should be fairly obvious given the context, and the fact that often many of the networks that anime are broadcast on are of United States or Canadian origin, that the text refers to "network broadcasting programming in English." If the intent was to specify that the network(s) are of British origin, then it would say "British network." If anything, the parameters should perhaps be altered to "Network (EN)" and "Network (JP)" since these take up less space in the infobox and are clearly explicitly referring to the language of the network(s) in question. Joyce-stick (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "English network" parameter  

message: This suggestion comes to my mind when expanding the article Room Camp that I created before. This manga is only published on Comic Fuz, a manga service by Houbunsha available online and through an app. This manga is only published online (no print publication) so I find it difficult to see Comic Fuz be on the "magazine" parameter despite being not a magazine whenever I visit this article. Centcom08 (talk) 09:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. A lot of manga magazines are going digital now so it might be worth looking into. Pixiv also has its own exclusive online publising service. lullabying (talk) 00:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting a parameter for webcomics 

message: I suggest adding a "number of copies sold" parameter for the manga. Shorouq★The★Super★ninja2 (talk) 08:47, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: number of copies sold parameter 

message: Should the "licensee" and "network_en" parameters from  be removed? 
*Proposing this for , and coming here after the successful implementation of Template talk:Infobox television channel#RfC for removal of "Availability" section.
:This template lists the English licensees of anime (television and film). Considering that this is a subcategory of the broader television and films, none of whose templates ( and ) specifically list English "licensees" or "networks", this exception for anime is incongruous and aberrant with the rest of the enwiki. The information contained herein appears mostly unencyclopedic per WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE and from what I have seen serves no useful purpose but to clutter articles.
:Any notable case of release by licensed broadcasters/film distributors can be noted in the article body (if relevant), as is the case for other films and television. I am not including the "publisher_en" counterpart of , as it appears to have precedent at  (though not at ). Gotitbro (talk) 01:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple look at how  is used with the corresponding params at anime articles will make it clear that a single licensor/distributor listing is almost never the case and not how this param is generally used. The primary purpose of this RfC to remove this exact clutter from infoboxes. Gotitbro (talk) 14:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That template was created awhile ago, when the licensor for different regions was by a different company, which is still the case on some older titles, like Death Note or Naruto. However, that has changed in recent years. Nowadays, it is actually more common for series to be like Uncle from Another World or Blue Lock and only have one distributor. Just because the parameter lists all of them now doesn't mean that it can't be changed to just one. Not to mention that if reducing clutter is your biggest motivation, I find more clutter in the producer parameter, especially on articles like Holmes of Kyoto. I'm not advocating removing that parameter, just pointing that out. Link20XX (talk) 14:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am proposing for removing content that has been proven to be clutter [in infoboxes] time and again (cf. the previous RfC in the nom). Information on international licnesees in infoboxes has never been listed for television and is mostly not for theatrical films as well, both considered generally non-encyclopedic, while the same has not been the case for producers. This is better handled in-body where, if relevant, it can be better justified. Gotitbro (talk) 00:20, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is somewhat cross-media, though still related, but note that we removed the "Distributor" field from Infobox video game years and years ago as well, for the same reasons. -- ferret (talk) 00:44, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotitbro,  I do not see why this is relevant; just because it isn't used often doesn't mean it violates policy when it is used. Not to mention I've seen many film articles list the distributor in the infobox.  then WP:FILMDIS would not explicitly allow it; not to mention non-encyclopedic usually applies to whether the content should be mentioned in the article at all, not whether it should be in the infobox. As far as "clutter", in series with only one distributor, how is adding one extra line "clutter"? I understand for series with multiple, but not in my aforementioned examples. As for Ferret, I do note that the video game infobox includes a publisher section, which I see to have a similar use to distributor section in any other article (heck if anything that parameter listing all the different publishers by region is more clutter than this parameter causes). Link20XX (talk) 01:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Most video games, especially now, rarely have multiple publishers, and the field has rather convoluted rules to keep it from being flooded with every little company and regional difference. Maybe something similar is needed here. Distributor for us was the company responsible for literal physical distribution, a rather mundane facet of the product that was rarely, if ever, actually covered by secondary sourcing. -- ferret (talk) 01:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  this is exactly what I have been saying is the case for most modern anime as well.  is exactly what I am proposing be added to this parameter (though the template documentation for the publisher field states  should be included, which is all this parameter is intended to include as-is, though I note that it gives guidelines on what to do if the list gets too long).  now that I can understand why it was removed; for video games, physical distribution (as much as I prefer it to digital distribution) is being phased out and is nowhere near as prevalent as it once was, so I can understand removing that parameter. However, most of these companies (like Crunchyroll/Funimation, Netflix, etc) do streaming as well as physical distribution, the latter of which is the main method for anime consumption, not only internationally but increasingly so in Japan too. Link20XX (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Anime warrants an exception because of how the industry works, as explained throughout this discussion. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 13:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

text: The discussion does not seem to have moved much for some time.  inviting participants from the past similar RfC here for their input. Gotitbro (talk) 22:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC for removal of "licensee" and "network_en" parameters 

message: Can someone enable network_en parameter for OVAs? For example, Strike the Blood OVAs aired on Animax Asia, but this can't be displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smeagol 17 (talk • contribs) 16:04, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering there's an open RFC to remove that parameter, probably should wait for now. -- ferret (talk) 16:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  network_en for OVA 

message: If can you add more:

 179.215.208.123 (talk) 19:43, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 10, 2022 

message: Greetings and felicitations.  Is the inclusion of the infobox expansion (labeled "Further information") option automatic after a certain point, and if so, what is that point?  How does that part work? —DocWatson42 (talk) 13:40, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe there is any formal guidelines to its usage; it is generally done whenever editors decide the infobox has gotten long. Link20XX (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Then I missed something.  What parameter do I include to add it?  (I previously checked the template's documentation, and did not see it.)  (IMHO Blade of the Immortal could use it.) —DocWatson42 (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  You need to add  before the first element you wish to collapse and  at the end. See A Certain Magical Index or Log Horizon for examples of use. Link20XX (talk) 14:38, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you. ^_^ —DocWatson42 (talk) 14:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've bookmarked copies, but it would be helpful if the above information was included in the documentation. —DocWatson42 (talk) 23:03, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion/"Further information" option question