Talk:Zao (American band)

message: The site says he is still in it, and if he is injured, I doubt this means he is permanently out, so for now, I added him back to members.24.61.84.44 03:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russ being in the band 

message: the greek word ζάω means "I live" in biblical Greek, it does not mean "alive" which would be ζωντανός in contemporary greek. if they meant it to mean "alive" then they mistranslated the word... i edited the page to reflect the actual meaning of the word.
: ...but they did have a song called "Alive is Dead" hinting that they were going to be breaking up.Whitey138 (talk) 01:58, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed the meaning of Greek word Zao 

message: I had long heard that they were from Parkersburg, West Virginia.  Today, Slipper changed the location to Greensburgh, Pennsylvania.  Is there any source for this? --Idont Havaname (Talk) 00:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked their Myspace page, which says that the band currently live in or near Pennsylvania.  But the band's earlier bios said they were from Parkersburg.  I'll reword the introduction accordingly. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 19:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am from Parkersburg and saw their first show. They were from the Parkersburg, WV/Marietta, OH area, but by the time "Liberate" came out, I think Jesse Smith was the only member left from the area. Dlmccaslin 05:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where are they from? 

message: Though impressive, the side projects list in this article is not necessary knowledge about the band.  Suggestions? —Joshfist 03:28, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moved the section to its own page: Zao (band)/List of Zao related side projects. —Joshfist 21:23, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Question about Gods/GODS: Were/Are Jesse Smith and Rob Horner both involved in this?  I thought Jesse was the only Zao member who was part of that project. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 03:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side projects 

message: There are currently many loose sentences in the section that should be included in an article rewrite.  The section needs to be cleaned up and wikified rather than reshuffled throughout the article. —Joshfist 14:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Several editors wish to emphasize that Russ Cogdell is on hiatus or returning; however, the FAQ list on Zao's MySpace has this to say about the subject:
Noting that he may or may not come back in the article is not necessary, as the same could theoretically be stated for any previous member of the band. —Joshfist 03:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Russ is back in the band now.  Scott also said in the most recent interview on their MySpace blog that the core of the band over about the last decade has been him, Russ, and Dan, and that Zao won't be adding any more permanent members. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 19:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About Russ Cogdell's return. 

message: If they have more than one music video (I assume they do), then the music videos should get their own section in the discography rather than putting them in Other releases.  They don't need any additional notes, except if they are especially noteworthy - e.g. did well on a TV network. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 01:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Listing music videos 

message: I agree that this needs better sourcing, and I can't provide exactly that.   But I do recall an issue of FlamexResistant (a Montreal-based 'zine) where they talked about their home churches in West Virginia excluding them because of their tattoos, so if you can locate that perhaps that's a suboptimal substitute. - Cheers, PhilipR 03:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Detrimental and demonic" citation 

message: Zao's style has never been punk.  I would suggest using Zao (metal band) if you want to identify them by genre.  Although, a better way to name the page without igniting a genre controversy is to call this page Zao (US band), and similarly go back to Zao and re-label Zao (zeuhl) as Zao (French band).  The French band doesn't have an article here anyway. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 13:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. I got my inspiration for the label "punk" from the Dutch wikipedia. Moreover, the article says the bands falls in the christian metalcore genre, and that article says it's a from of hardcore punk; that was the reason a tagged it with punk; but well, I don't know anything about the genre, so any better article title is fine ;-) --LimoWreck 17:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zao (punk band)?! 

message: I'm expanding the History section right now.  I have Legendary and recall that there were 3 demo tracks at the end of it.  Were those done with Corey Darst on vocals or Dan Weyandt?  Also, who did the vocals on their This Is Solid State songs?  This Is Solid State Vol. 3] had a Zao song called "The Icarus Complex", which was also a demo track on Legendary (the other two demo tracks on Legendary were "One Last Time" and "All Dressed Up (With No Place to Go").  I don't think any of these songs were recorded with Joshua Ashworth. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 20:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Corey Darst the vocalist in any of Zao's demo songs? 

message: According to the most recent interview on their MySpace page, all of their current members identify themselves as Christians.  Jeff Gretz, who's no longer in the band and was replaced by Josh Walters from the Juliana Theory, was open about not being a Christian, but Scott said that the rest of the members (including Josh) are.  However, the band is not. 
I just saw this and wanted to make a note of it here for anyone who wants to work it into the article; I don't have time to do that tonight. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 05:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've updated it just now. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 20:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on the Christian/not debate 

message: An anon recently changed their first genre from hardcore to death metal.  I'm going to revert that.  As far as I know, Zao has never been a death metal band.  Their early work (Splinter) tended more toward hardcore, and Daniel Weyandt uses the kind of vocals that are used in black metal. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 15:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Although I'm a fan of Zao,  I think it is less than accurate to claim that Zao "pioneered" the boundaries of Christian music/metal.  As a long time collector of Christian metal, I would point to Resurrection Band, Messiah Prophet, Stryper, Blackhouse, Deliverance, Vengeance Rising, and Mortification as pioneering.  Each one brought a significant subgenre into the Christian marketplace.
But Zao, great band that they are, was treading a well beaten path by the time they were selling CDs at Christian bookstores.  I have a vinyl record of hardcore Christian band The Lead from the middle 1980s (!).  You can argue that Zao is metalcore, or some hybrid, and not really hardcore and I don't disagree.  But "pioneers" is simply inaccurate.
--/\/\aetryx
--Maetryx 03:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pioneers? 

message: So it looks like there is a bit of disagreement about the vocal style of Shawn Jonas vs. Daniel Weyandt. Comparing Shawn's vocal screaming to death grunting I don't think is true. Shawn uses a screaming style that uses the top of the throat, yet it able to produce a medium pitched sound. Weyandt uses a gutteral style of screaming, akin to how one would scream in death metal, but he does it at a much higher pitch. This is fairly clear to me as I can scream via both methods. You can see a similar thing with the band Candiria. In their 2nd album, 'Surrealistic Madness' the song Elevate in Madness is sung with a very low gutteral screaming style. However, in their 4th album, 'Process of Self-Development' the same song Elevate in Madness is sung with a much higher pitch, but the style of screaming that the vocalist uses is the same. It's just a different pitch. What do you guys think? Anyone know of of a verifiable source for this information? --Terevos 21:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocal style 

message: What's the original research tag for? Dan, the CowMan 16:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: to Zao (band) as there is no article for the French band. Support? Oppose? Inhumer (talk) 04:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: I deleted "1994 - Conflict Demo," since this was incorrect. The "Conflict" demo is the "Sustained Demo." "Conflict" is the first track on this demo, along with "Deep," "Rest," and "Sickness". It was also released in 1995, not 1994. 
98.215.166.117 (talk) 16:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated Info on Demos 

message: I removed a lot of the article and an editor requested that I restore it so I did, but I tagged it. It has to be sourced soon because it violates :WP:V at the very least and :WP:BLP as well. There's on section that has not had any sources sine late 2012 (more than two years). I don't expect any references to be added, but if it does, that's great. Don't forget to read :WP:RS and avoid primary sources (social media posts by the band, etc.) but try to use secondary sources by reputable editors.
As for :Wikipedia:Fancruft, that's an essay, not even a guideline, but it describes some of the intricacies discussed in the article. It might be the best content to remove whether or not it can be reliably sourced. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not clear to my why additional material was added to a section that has no references and is tagged as such but no references were added. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:07, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of sources and a lot of fan cruft 

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message: In the "Religion" subheading, twice the article states that currently, only bassist Martin Lunn identifies as a Christian. It says this in the first paragraph there, then re-states it in the second as if it is introducing a new point. The two should be consolidated, since they are essentially both making the same point about Zao no longer being a "Christian band."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dartist (talk • contribs) 18:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to fix that. Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundancy 

message: Grand National Hustler was a project with Dan Weyandt on drums and vocals, artist Gabe Felice on guitar and Ben Zehner on bass.  Used to be listed but not there anymore.  A youtube video of their album went up recently.  They were a stoner rock band similar to Fu Manchu back in 2001.  Cobra Soul was a short lived group formed after Ben left the group, recordings have been found of this recently and should be up soon. 2601:547:B05:B31:14F3:C847:EA1A:9D7D (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side project no longer online