Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Metalworking/Template list/archive

message: Ok, so I spent a few minutes playing with (aka fucking up :) the drilling and threading articles...  they're now part of :Category:Drilling and threading and include template Template:Metalworking - Drilling and threading, giving them a navigation box at the bottom that looks like:
Shiny!  :)
The bottom list of links needs lots of work, but I can't complete it until actually making the articles/categories they're supposed to link to.
When we're pretty sure the categorization of articles isn't going to change too much, and we've made little introduction pages and/or categories for everything the bottom row should link to, I'll make a bunch of them up for every category...  until then, enjoy Drilling and threading!  Bushytails 20:58, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Shiny indeed, it's looking good. I've done some tweaking, the edit history will show them comments at the articles talk Graibeard 22:47, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Category:Metalworking hand tools
I'll add the template later (in truth I forgot it on the Category: run!). Anyway, stopping now. Graibeard 17:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a tidy solution, I had concerns about the potential problem too. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I've taken that one step further and done the same thing for the template articles, this allows them to be dual purpose and used for the article headings at metalworking, without cluttering the page. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navigation boxes 

message: :Category:Metalworking hand tools
I'll add the template later (in truth I forgot it on the Category: run!). Anyway, stopping now. Graibeard 17:00, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nav box - Metalworking hand tools

message: I added another template, Template:Metalworking - Metalworking hand tools - Mini, for the articles that metalworking is only a small part of, and the big template would be annoying (especially if it has one for metalworking, one for woodworking, etc, etc).
: That's a tidy solution, I had concerns about the potential problem too. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mini navs, generic style

message: I also made the templates include a separate template for the list of main topics, so only one page needs to be editted to update all of them.
: I've taken that one step further and done the same thing for the template articles, this allows them to be dual purpose and used for the article headings at metalworking, without cluttering the page. — Graibeard 02:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Nav box sub lists

message: Article series boxes (or navigational templates) are boxes with links to other related articles. This page suggests that they are a no-no in our case, in fact we fail the no test. Instead, Categories and lists rule. — Graibeard 10:55, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a proposed policy that isn't anything close to being in force.  See Christianity, for example.  Also take a look at some of the community response. --Spangineer (háblame) 03:47, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I think our use is a good one, and certainly follows how they're often used on wikipedia (such as Template:ArtificialLightSources, Template:threeagesystem, hell even Template:Technology, which when done we should add ourselves to), and meets all the items on the "advantages" list.  Bushytails 01:21, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Your timing is excellent as I'll be lying low for a few days. My concerns regarding the templates are gone so, time permitting, it's full speed ahead again.  Graibeard 21:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmm, hold the nav boxes

message: Template:Metalworking - Mini was nominated for deletion. The result of the discussion was delete. The debate has been archived here. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Metalworking - Mini 

message: I have been working on the casting section recently and found that the interlinks were disorganised, for anyone needing information about casting and the technologies involved in casting I believe the proposed template layout as below would make more sense, as you will see there is some information still to be included however this would prompt other contributors to start the pages, I will be posting the required pages on the main project page as well.
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Casting:	
{|
Casting Technologies | 
Sand |
Lost Foam |
Investment (Lost Wax) |
Die |
Shaw Process | 
Centrifugal |
Tilt |
Vacuum |
Billet	
Any comments or objections to altering the main template please let me know
MarkBolton 14:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed New Casting Template

message: I would like to propose that this project's templates be reorganized to include the following:
* :Template:Metalworking be renamed   This is a more accurate name for the template 
* A new master navigational template to replace the eighteen current templates.  This template will be named .  I have already created this template which includes all of the current links plus a few more.  It uses additional commands to uncollapse relevant sections.  
===Advantages===
* vastly simplifies process of tagging related pages, and makes project template page easier to understand
* cohesive information on all project pages
* all links available from all project pages rather than arbitrary groupings as currently
* relevant sections can still be emphasized by uncollapsing using the template parser
* no stacked templates, which must be processed twice during page load and complicate template editing
* many old templates can be deleted
===Disadvantages===
* requires re-tagging many pages (~500 talk pages first to clear up name for new template, then all project pages with links to old templates)
I have already created the new main template, and will be happy to do a lot of the work to help with documentation and re-tagging.  I think that this will be a boon for this project, and welcome feedback to this idea.Bryancpark (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In both cases I have removed the "Jewellery" section, as I think that should get its own Navbox.  What do you think?  I am torn between them because I think that it is helpful to have all the related topics together, but I also appreciate the simplicity of the second format.  Bryancpark (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Is there anyway you can activate more than one "section" in your second example using expressions? If so, I think that would be perfect, IMO. The other one is better now that there are less sections, but still seems bulky to me, although I could be swayed... Wizard191 (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: **The template is now very flexible.  It can now show any number of sections, open or closed, in any order.  Bryancpark (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: ***SWEET! The second one looks awesome. If we can just put together some simple documentation to show how to pass the arguments I think that would give it the green light. As for the name (sorry, I'm sort of moving the convo down here now) I think, just to play it safe, we ought to name it  (note the lower case "n" per WP:MOS). Thanks you for your hard work. Wizard191 (talk) 13:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: ****I will write the documentation page when I create the template (I agree about name).  I think I will also archive the current Template list so that we can show only the active templates and start replacing the others.  I will look at AWB to see what I need to do to help with that.  Bryancpark (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Template Reorganization 

message: * requires re-tagging many pages (~500 talk pages first to clear up name for new template, then all project pages with links to old templates)
I have already created the new main template, and will be happy to do a lot of the work to help with documentation and re-tagging.  I think that this will be a boon for this project, and welcome feedback to this idea.Bryancpark (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Disadvantages

message: For the most part I really like the ideas posted above. A couple of small points:
*To conform with most other Wikiprojects the  template should be renamed to . If we do decide to do this, AWB or a bot can be setup to change all of the talk page templates, therefore eliminating the grunt work.
**Sounds good, I like the bot doing the work. Can we go ahead and get started on this part?  Bryancpark (talk) 01:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In both cases I have removed the "Jewellery" section, as I think that should get its own Navbox.  What do you think?  I am torn between them because I think that it is helpful to have all the related topics together, but I also appreciate the simplicity of the second format.  Bryancpark (talk) 14:54, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *Is there anyway you can activate more than one "section" in your second example using expressions? If so, I think that would be perfect, IMO. The other one is better now that there are less sections, but still seems bulky to me, although I could be swayed... Wizard191 (talk) 16:03, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: **The template is now very flexible.  It can now show any number of sections, open or closed, in any order.  Bryancpark (talk) 21:07, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: ***SWEET! The second one looks awesome. If we can just put together some simple documentation to show how to pass the arguments I think that would give it the green light. As for the name (sorry, I'm sort of moving the convo down here now) I think, just to play it safe, we ought to name it  (note the lower case "n" per WP:MOS). Thanks you for your hard work. Wizard191 (talk) 13:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: ****I will write the documentation page when I create the template (I agree about name).  I think I will also archive the current Template list so that we can show only the active templates and start replacing the others.  I will look at AWB to see what I need to do to help with that.  Bryancpark (talk) 13:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments