Talk:List of death metal bands

message: Is it just me, or has this list become incredibly bloated with nobody bands? -- Dysfunktion 01:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not you, but it seems as though there are a lot of pointless articles in general. Constructive criticism cant hurt.MikeyOHoolihan 02:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are some bands on it that shouldn't really be there. But you removed too many bands that are worth mentioning here. That you don't know them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Besides the idea was to be a list of death metal links. Not a list of important or notable or crucial or whatever. Tho I can't think of a good criteria. Maybe "have a CD out" is a workable one. Spearhead 16:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I just cleaned it up a bit. Hope you like it better now Spearhead 16:52, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I sorted it properly now--Childzy talk contribs 21:00, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nobody bands

message: Yeah. I added slayer because they are definitely a huge influence and they are worth being in this list.
:Hm, I just now took it off before reading this. But this is a list of death metal bands, not bands influential to it. That belongs in the death metal page. -- Dysfunktion 04:26, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Therion's first three albums are classic death metal albums!Spearhead 11:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Slayer

message: Doesn't really matter if they're "nobody bands" does it?
Nope, it doesn't. --86.0.183.95 (talk) 18:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  so what if they're "nobodies" 

message: They're not death metal. The band's page calls them a "straight edge metalcore band", which is accurate. Some metalcore bands may have Swedish "melodeath" influences, and they may open up for bonafide death metal bands, but at the end of the day, metalcore and death metal are two separate genres of music. --Danteferno 18:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please, stop adding Bleeding Through to the list... 

message: Cradle of Filth is Black Metal.
No, wrong they are Hyrbid genre which is EXTREME METAL band.
Yeah, nobody knows what Cradle of Filth really are. Complete fucking mystery. --86.0.183.95 (talk) 18:18, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cradle of Filth 

message: Stop adding Deathcore Bands to this list!  Or even metalcore at that fact!
Suicide Silence is not death Metal.  They are deathcore.
Job for a Cowboy is NOT Death Metal.  They are deathcore.
Through the Eyes of the Dead is NOT Death Metal, they are deathcore/metalcore.
ZAO doesn't even sound close to death metal, they are Generic Christian Metalcore.
Same with other bands like Bleeding Through (metalcore), the Number Twelve Looks like You (mathcore), etc etc.
Just because a Myspace page says "Death Metal" doesnt mean they are... thats why they list "Death Metal/Hardcore/whatever"  Because usually they might be a combination of two, maybe hinting they are Deathcore, etc.  I can ramble on forever but I'm just saying, do some research or know your music better before adding such bands.
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Deathcore IS Death Metal, although Death Metal is not nescesarily deathcore. Deathcore is a fusion of death metal and hardcore punk, so they ARE death metal.
Suicide Silence IS death metal.
Job for a Cowboy IS Death Metal.
Through the Eyes of the Dead IS death metal.
Zao, Bleeding Through and The Number Twelve are not.
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It may be a fusion of Death Metal and Hardcore Punk, but it's not Death Metal. This is a list for Death Metal bands, not Deathcore ones. Therefore JFAC, Suicide Silence, and Through The Eyes do not belong on the list. -- ErikB 04:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathcore bands 

message: search videos from Ackercocke, Im not sure about what they are, but some say is BLACK METAL. And Celtic Frost and Sepultura are thrash...
:Incidentally I think it'd be perfectly possible to find references for Sepultura and Celtic Frost playing death metal at various points in their careers. Zer Tolerance magazine included Morbid Tales in its top 25 death metal albums of all time. I think part of the problem here is that people aren't realising that a band can be both death metal, thrash, black and whatever at the same time, particularly in the 1980s where strict genre lines had yet to drawn up. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ackercocke, Celtic Frost, Sepultura... here? 

message: How is Centinex a deathcore band? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gulivar (talk • contribs) 
:It's not. But the last time you added it, the band didn't have an article yet. Bands without articles are not accepted to the list anymore. Prolog 16:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Centinex 

message: I'm placing this discussion point on a number of different lists of metal bands of differing genres, because it's a general point addressing many of them as a whole. I watch a number of metal band lists, and see an awful lot of reverting back and forth, often due to debate about what genre a band is. Think of this point as a kind of appeal for sanity.
If in doubt about a bands genre, check their wikipedia article. If they don't have one, either make one if you think they should, or take whatever sources (e.g. the bands homepage) you might normally use in such an article. But ultimately the point of this is the wikipedia articles are the first and usually last place of reference. If you feel the classification of a band if wrong, then take that to the article in question, do not start having revert wars on the lists, going back and forth. If you feel that a band is wrongly classified, then go and debate that on their page, where there are likely more people who have something to say on the matter, and where it will need changing anyway if at all. It's confusing if the lists give one genre and the main articles another.
If you have a good case for the genre being changed, then you should be able to do so on the main article of the band, and then you'll have every right to change the list article too. If we just accept that the main articles for bands are the primary point of reference for their genre, then things become a lot simpler. Someone's removed a band from the gothic metal list and you think it's not right? Go check the article. If it clearly says they're gothic metal, even in part, at some point during their career, or have influences of that, then there you go. No one can argue with that, and if they wish to they will have to take it to the main article.
The lists are there to refer people to bands based on genre, they are not the place to debate genre in the first place. There will always be basic vandalism of course, but if people take note of this point I'd hope it might lessen all this silly waring over genre. Thank you. Prophaniti 17:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Classification of metal bands in general

message: Is this article really warranted considering that all these bands are already listed in Category:Death metal musical groups? The category functions as a list of death metal bands - why would we need this article at all? - Quirk 11:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of this article 

message: Seriously, should Melodic Death Metal be included on this list? it's just that that has it's own list? I love the genre personally, but this just doesn't seem like the place. Plus, Children of Bodom aren't even obviously that; they've been called power, symphonic, and melodic black metal. Again, personally I love them, but their genre justisn't clear enough to be on this list even if we do decide to include Melodic death. Kung Foo 18:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree melodeath bands should not be included in this list unless they also play death metal. The two genres are different and should not be mixed. I'm going to remove all the melodeath bands from this list that don't play death metal, however I will add a convinience link to list of melodic death metal bands for people looking for such bands. This should fix the problem of a lot of death metal bands getting added in the other list instead of this one. --Leon Sword 21:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic Death Metal 

message: As can be seen on the "list of black metal bands" article, country of origin and associated flags are a nice addition to these types of lists, if anyone wants to add those in, I think that would be much appreciated.  Perhaps move in the direction of doing the bands you know and looking up the ones you don't so this doesn't become a one-man job.  Just a thought.
:What about the lay-out? I think the layout of List of avant-garde metal musical groups is more appealing. The flag + country is a too much information isn't it? I think only a flag suffices.--Emmaneul 18:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the flags for A, B, C, E, F, G, I, J, K, L and several other bands and I edited the list layout, I hope you people like it (I think it looks better), inspired by the list of avant-garde metal musical groups.Emmaneul 09:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country of Origin 

message: A few of the bands on here are actually grind and grind core bands rather than death metal. Just for example...Assuck, Extreme Noise Terror, Napalm Death, F*** I'm Dead, and probably a few more...candidates for deletion? Fightinginthestreets 19:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grind Bands

message: I found Lamb of God in the list. I don't think they are listed as death metal on their page.
Weltanschaunng 20:47, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lamb of God

message: Hey, i have like over a thousand bands that arnt on this list that are considered death metal and was wondering if people can either help me put them on or tell me only to do the most known, i have done a few of the bands already. They are: A Good day for killing (AGDFK), Abed, Jungle Rot. So if you think there good enough, basically all of the list i have are them sort of bands, [underground but known to the death community or completly not known by the underground community(AGDFK)] type back, i go on this page every day as its on my watch list. METALFREAK04 14:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in general, wikipedia editor want quality, not quantity. Wikipedia is not a medium for band-name dropping, it's an encyclopedia. If you know some notable bands, you're welcome to make quality articles about them. Wikipedia doesn't support the edition of bands just because they exist, there should be some encyclopedic value and the band should comply with the notability guidelines. Creating an article by copy-pasting some MySpace biography is something I wouldn't support (I'm not saying you do, but it happens a lot). I'm not a deletionist, so if you'd add a nice, sourced, and well written article about some (not yet notable) band, I wouldn't protest. Emmaneul (Talk) 18:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death Metal list revamp 

message: get deleted off wikipedia, i made a masterpiece. i swear all things like this the mods are so God dam, picky. and  Gomorrah is gonna get deleted unless the person that put it there makes an article about them. METALFREAK04 17:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does Jungle rot (band) always... 

message: Either i will delete it or the person who put it on should make an DECENT article on it first. METALFREAK04 15:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  With Faith or Flames is a red 

message: First, I've been trying to help with lists of metal bands and I like how this list states if a band played the death metal style early or recent next to the name of the band. Should it not also state (in the same place as (early) or (recent) preferably) if the band plays a mix of styles. For example, Torture Squad and Goatwhore mix death metal with thrash metal and black metal (in that order). So perhaps it should say next to the name the other style. For example- Torture Squad (thrash) -just as it states (early) next to some bands.
:Second, I know about melodeath and the gothenburg scene, but someone created a page for bands of that genre, so should bands of tha style still be listed on this list?  I don't think they should seeing as how they have their own list.  Or they should at least then have a tag next to them, for example- In Flames (melodic) -but that seems ridiculous, so I believe they should be taken off all together unless they clearly played the pure death metal style at some point in their career.  Perhaps I'm just being too detailed on that, though.Navnløs 18:51, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I noticed, but why was that list deleted?  I saw the list before.Navnløs 18:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Extra tags and questions on melodeath

message: They are not death metal.  Their new album is deathcore, not death metal.  Quit adding them.76.177.109.212 (talk) 08:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Job for a Cowboy article there is a source that states they play death metal nowadays. Kameejl (Talk) 09:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Job for a Cowboy 

message: Are we allowing deathcore bands into the list now or what?  Do they have to play more death metal metal than core (punk) to be accepted or is it just all deathcore bands allowed? Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 01:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd personally be inclined towards inclusivity. Otherwise you go down the messy road of 'at what point precisely is it decided they play more death than core?'. You'll never find a reliable source breaking music down like that, so I'd err on the side of letting deathcore bands stand. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 01:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's total crap...but ok. -Core genres are a plague upon real metal.  Old hardcore punk like the Circle Jerks is the only good -core music. Deathcore, thrashcore, metalcore, screamo-post-hardcore, fagcore, shitty-lets-dick-around-making-gay-music-while-touching-each-other-at-night-music-core.  I swear...it's all gay. Metalcore needs to die.  It's worse than glam metal.  All these shitty bands like Devildriver, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Hatebreed and uh...damn, they are all so forgettable...well they';re just as bad as nu metal damnit!.  "Hey guys let's go make some pop-rap band and hey, while we're at it, why don't we try and stick a little "metal" in there just to show them we love incest and have no idea what music really is!  Also let's make our music sound exactly the same as those other hundrerds of bands and play the same crap with absolutely no talent ad nauseum"  ARGH!  I hate people. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 21:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I believe that all deathcore and metalcore influences do not classify a band as death metal. The -core genres originated from punk, and they are not metal, even if they seem to borrow influences from real metal genres. There is a difference between the two musical genres, and as core bands have more roots in the genre of punk, I do not see them fit to be in a list of death metal. Inn Skogen (talk) 16:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately your opinion on the issue is of no interest to anyone on Wikipedia. You bring no sources, just opinion. Feel free to contribute in a worthwhile manner when you've actually got some sources to back up your point of view; my take on the issue has been stated in fairly clear terms above, and you have failed to address anything I had to say. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 19:11, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deathcore-Important 

message: They are misused here. Nationality has no relevance to the criteria of this list. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags)#Do not emphasize nationality without good reason --neonwhite  user page talk 23:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Policy and consensus both agree with you that they should be removed. If I get time, I'll remove them myself.--3family6 (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing flagicons 

message: There's a band named lupara (dont have an article though because theyre not well known) that are classified as death metal -- heavymetalhobo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heavymetalhobo (talk • contribs) 00:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If notable enough request them here. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  03:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  lupara? 

message: Do we not think that we should be consistent as to the use of the UK flag?Sometimes the UK one is used, sometimes individual Welsh, English or Scottish flags. I'd strongly recommend we stick to the UK one for consistency, as to use individual ones would rather fly in the face of the arguments that the use of flags is handy because of regional scenes rather than national pride. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 12:06, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: no point in including non-country flags, we are not expecting the separation of the Union. Anyway the confusion with flags in the article is big enough, we don't need more spice in it. Weltanschaunng 20:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag icon consistency

message: I've cocked up the formatting of the table trying to move the UK into the <30 category and now I can't work out how to correct it. Can someone help me out here? Again, very sorry! Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 18:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oh dear, I am a spoon

message: I have seen alot of red bands on here, but I am not deleting them...I want them on wikipedia, so I need a editcore gang. Any volinteers? or pirates want to help the articles to get going...
Artists in question:
Chaosbreed,
Corpsefucking Art, [creating now]
Wakeup DEAD!,
some of may or may not be death metal/grindcore. So be helpful if we had a user that knew Wakeup DEAD! more than I do. METALFREAK04 (talk) 10:59, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think sticking a list of artists that need articles on this talk page seems a very reasonable thing to do. Having them in the actual article would probably lead to too much cruft. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I too agree of that. We have people asking for genres already . And if we do add that list here (and probly' elsewhere) then it should stay unarchived. −₪ÇɨгcaғucɨҲ₪  kaiden  06:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New bands added 

message: If anyone can be smart enough to make this list up to the standards of List of thrash metal bands that be great. Look there, it's great. Except I don't personnally like the list structure without the flags but the introduction is a nice touch to this kind of page. METALFREAK04 (talk) 17:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the format on this list of folk metal bands instead? --Bardin (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say, I dislike the emphasis of country in these lists. I do not follow exactly what the purpose of (or source of) the table at the bottom is. Removing that and the flags, this is just an unkempt list of bands. I share your sentiments regarding the List of thrash metal bands page; rather, I consider it brilliantly-poor execution of a generally good idea. However, this page needs some substance. I'll toss some general suggestions: For ordering, you may do it by time period and/or geographic region. Mention should be made of the Swedish and Floridian death metal scenes and their times of prevalence along with the bands. You may do this by organizing the time range of organization or activity and then subdividing by region (Americas, Europe, Asia, Oceania). Focus on key bands -- firsts, well-known bands, and staples of a genre. You might note the Floridian technical bands and describe Atheist (band) as an example. Start with Morbid Angel and work your way up in period. It could take some work, but in the end, you'd have a very respectable list. And, as I am doing with the List of progressive metal artists list, it couldn't hurt to source the bands on the list. 71.203.185.108 (talk) 02:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion 

message: They say that their Christmas CD is Death Metal. One song is death metal. The song is called,"Jingle Bells". We could put on here. They say Korn was death metal back in the early history of the band. User:panicpack121 (UTC)
I don't know. Not that I'd go on a stupid 'URGH NU METAL MALLCORE POSERS FUCK FUCK FUCK' rant, but I wouldn't regard Korn to overall be death metal. I wouldn't mind them being on the list, but... well, you all know the types of people who would mind. And start a flame war. --86.0.183.95 (talk) 18:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a demo. There are only a few actual Korn demo's and Christmas song is not one. Besides, their Christmas CD is called All Mixed Up. I have all of their crap including their early cassettes. (Neidermeyers mind was pretty cool) Anyway, the only Christmas titled album is called Christmas Song. It's a 12" red vinyl and it's still Nu-metal. It's a bit guttural for nu-metal, but it bases itself along the lines of L.A.P.D. Oh yeah, it's not Jingle Bells, it's Jingle Balls. It's off of All Mixed Up. It's the last track too. (And IMO, it sucks) Undead Warrior (talk) 09:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a demo? Then why is it a cassette tape with only 4 songs on it?  If anything I'd call it a promo or a promo EP but whatever. If the wierdness can be compared, I would say Dir en grey are pretty close to their style (or experimentation with rock music). Songs like "Zan" from Gauze or "Pink Killer" from Kisou shows drumming that is closer to blast beats. Is that death metal now? No, not even. They overall have a much heavier sound than Korn but have a lot of mellower songs to begin with. 71.190.246.97 (talk) 01:01, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korn 

message: I've finally finished referencing every item of this list (sorry for the gap in editing; I was off at Wacken). There are a number of points I wanted to clarify, and a number of suggestions for future editors (I'd rather get on with editing individual articles than referencing lists!). Firstly regarding what I've done: I looked for reliable sources at Allmusic, MusicMight and at Google Books; there are certainly other reliable sources out there that could be used, but they were the most straightforward when starting from scratch. By "reliable", obviously I mean sources that qualify under WP:RS, rather than those I personally regard as being "reliable"; I have in fact deleted bands from the list that I could not immediately find sources for, despite my personal opinion (Cock and Ball Torture, for instance). There's been some chat about MusicMight, as it has recently (seemingly) become to an extent user-edited... this is slightly misleading, as the vast majority of entries on the site are still contributed by Garry Sharpe-Young, a very experienced journalist in the field of extreme metal, as evinced by the large number of books he has published on the subject, through independent, third-party sources (initially Cherry Red, and now Zonda Books; these books seek to reproduce the content of the MusicMight website and hence I feel it passes WP:RS... it would be preferable to some extent to replace the URL links with refs to the print sources, and if anyone would like to spend the time doing that, please feel free :-)). As for suggestions:
*I suggest that all redlinks continue to be removed on sight, and anything added without a reliable source (i.e. excluding all webzines, Myspaces, band websites and label sites).
*I suggest that at some point the list should be re-formatted, probably to look something like the List of folk metal bands... this will take a lot of work, but will look an awful lot better. It will also involve losing the flagicons, that I appreciate lots of people feel strongly about, but at present they certainly contravene WP:MOSFLAG, that states unambiguously, "When a flag icon is used for the first time in a list or table, it needs to appear adjacent to its respective country (or province, etc.) name, as not all readers are familiar with all flags. Use of flag templates without country names is also an accessibility issue, as it can render information difficult for color blind readers to understand. In addition, flags can be hard to distinguish when reduced to icon size."
*Finally, and somewhat controversially, to avoid WP:NPOV issues, if someone sticks up, say, Slayer or Slipknot with a reliable source (such as a commercially published book about metal), then it should stay... there certainly are bands on here with far less in common with death metal than Slipknot, but I'm going to leave that for someone else to tussle over ;-)
Any other comments very welcome, and hope that was all helpful! Blackmetalbaz (talk) 20:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Referencing of the list of death metal bands

message: This article is 140KB, that's 40 more than the proposed limit per WP:TOOLONG. Considering it takes a very long time to load up this page, I'm suggesting either a split to List of death metal bands: #-M and List of death metal bands: N-Z or that we remove these sources altogether.--F-22 RaptörAces High♠ 16:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that this article still isn't split. I can volunteer to do it. If there should be a division in approxmately half, then what would happen would be a page each for 0-G and H-Z. However, the letters are very lopsided in that case. Should I do it the same way that the List of black metal bands page is categorized and do it 0-K and L-Z? Or is the 0-M and the N-Z suggestion still a good one (I think it is a viable option.)? Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the 0-K and L-Z would work best, as there are only a few bands with numbers.--3family6 (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting Split 

message: The redirect A list of all death metal bands has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  1234qwer1234qwer4 14:56, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
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