Talk:Bird-of-paradise

message: David Attenborough doesn't seem to suffer from an irrepressible urge to hyphenate everything into oblivion so why do you?
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THe bird of paradise is a wonderful and colorful bird! There are 43 species of it! Foundin rainforeset of NEw Guinea!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.140.89 (talk • contribs) 11:57, March 19, 2006
:They sure are ... 38 species recognized. If Parotia Helenae, Parotia Berlepschi & Ptiloris Intercedens become full species, it round up to 41 species.
:With so many place in West New Guinea (Irian Jaya) still unexplored, hopefully more new species BOP will be found.
:The 3 wide-gaped Cnemophilus & Loboparadisaea, most likely out from Paradisaeidae. They placed in their own genus : Cnemophilidae (Satin Birds) in Howard & Moore Complete Checklist of the Birds of the World.
:MacGregor BOP is a Honeyeater. So he's out too.
:In my opinion, Paradisaea raggiana augustaevictoriae (Empress BOP) should became full species also. Someday ... Stavenn 04:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wonderful and colorful bird

message: Perhaps there should be a referring link at the top of the page to the plant Strelitzia, which is commonly nicknamed the bird of paradise?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.83.93 (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found the same problem. Fixed now. —Pengo 06:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Argh.  I just tripped over the same, coming from Heliconia.  I think this ambiguous name is going to need to be fixed by moving Bird of paradise (disambiguation) over Bird of paradise.  --Una Smith (talk) 23:25, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relink to plant 

message: Requested move:  :Bird of paradise (disambiguation) → :Bird of paradise.  Please read and contribute to survey here.  --Una Smith (talk) 23:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
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message: Well, I think the section on hybrids is kinda biased, it's turning towards the fact that no doubt these are hybrids. It is equally likely some of these are/were real species. Frankyboy5 (talk) 20:42, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that, given the amount of attention hybridisation in birds of paradise has received over many years, that it takes place.  It has certainly taken place in captivity.  Moreover, there is circumstantial evidence for it, such as "hybrid" specimens deriving from zones of overlap of the supposed parent species.  However, it possible that a few of the purported hybrids mentioned are good species (and are mentioned as "presumed" hybrids in the text, following general opinion among bop researchers).  Eventually the situation should be sorted out with genetic examination of "hybrid" specimens, and comparison with their supposed parent species.  The list in the article is of named birds that are widely considered to be hybrids, even though, with some, there is still some doubt.  Maybe I should reword the section lede to reflect this better. Maias (talk) 01:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the section is not saying that there are hybrids with no doubt, it just might need to have more emphasis on the fact that there is doubt on if some of them are actually species and not hybrids. --Skinips (talk) 02:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I have done some rewording - please feel free to further tweak and improve. Maias (talk) 06:46, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any evidence that any of them are actual species? I don't have access to the book cited or to Fuller's book, but this discussion suggests that Fuller was guilty of not a little wishful thinking. The HBW treatment of the family discusses hybridism but does not even suggest that any of the hybrids are possibly valid species. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 22:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it very likely that there are no valid species involved and that there has been a degree of wishful thinking in wanting to keep open the possibility.  However, until definitive genetic testing of disputed specimens is done, some people will continue to harbour doubts.  Frith & Beehler (1998, pp.519-520) say "While one or two undiscovered distinct populations of birds of paradise may remain to be discovered and described, we believe it is unlikely that any would turn out to be from among the list we have determined to be hybrids above.  We simply do not believe there are any 'lost' (as distinct from yet-to-be-discovered) birds of paradise.  That being said, we do believe the hybridisation phenomenon is worthy of much additional exploration, especially in the few instances where hybrids form a portion of a population."  Maias (talk) 23:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. The latest article on the phylogeny of the family suggests rampant hybridism is a possible explanation for the similarity of long separated species, so I agree the phenomenon is of considerable note. Apparently this family is more prone to hybridisation than any other. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 23:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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message: When King Mahendra of Nepal was crowned in 1955, it was found that the bird-of-paradise plumes of the Nepali royal crown were in need of replacement. Due to the hunting ban, replacements were eventually procured from a confiscated shipment seized by the United States Customs Service. - I can't find any verification of this that isn't a mirror. Leaving it here until a decent source is found. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 18:55, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Life mag 4 Jun 1956  US sent 97 sets. --Chuunen Baka (talk) 20:14, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome, nice one. It doesn't specify the Customs service as a source, but some of the text can be reincorporated. It's a fairly trivial fact but will be useful later as an example when describing non-European trade and prestige associated with. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 21:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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