Talk:The Crucified

message: It's obvious that considerable work has gone into this (and related) articles, but unfortunately the result is not good. The main problem is one of notability, and I've added a tag suggesting that more third party references are needed to substantiate what is being said.  Having the vocalist's autobiography as the main source is not satisfactory.  Johnfos (talk) 08:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've withdrawn the nom. The book is the only source available. I think the tag could at least be taken off. It is a well written and factual article. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I used that one. HM Magazine is the only other website that talks with Mark Salomon and it is about Stavesacre 99% of the time. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 21:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay. I'll ask Dihydrogen Monoxide. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 22:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Me too. He's a great editor. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 23:05, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Nope, nothing of substance on NME. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 19:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: After taking a look at the article, I'd say it's pretty good, but there's still some pretty sizeable flaws with it, which I hope can be addressed:
*The biggest problem is the lack of sources.  Not only is the article based almost exclusively on a single source (except for two in-line citations), but that one source is written by one of the members of the group.  I can see this has been discussed above, but it remains the Achilles' heel of the article, and is reason enough for the article to fail its GA nomination.  I don't know if this is something that is fixable, or if the article is doomed from the get go, but it's definitely a problem.   That said, even though I'm going to fail the nomination, below are some more suggestions I have.
*Another problem I see with the article is it's scope.  Specifically, the article is primarily a historical/biographical account, albeit with two lists tacked on to the end (members and discography).  Surely, there's much more that could be said about the band?  What about their sound?  Their live performances?  The group dynamic?  Their influence?  Their influenceS?  Any controversies?  Major awards?  etc.  I'm not saying all that needs to be in there, but the article should ideally go into more detail then "X happened.  Then Y happened.  After that, Z happened."
*The lead is very short.  Per WP:Lead, the lead should summarize the article's major points.  In a way, this is linked to the above criticism: the lead is so short simply because there isn't much to the article to summarize.
*"The band broke up in 1994 due to personal indifferences."  Don't you mean "differences"?  I don't think people can have personally indifferences.  Same with "Johnson was fired from the band due to personal indifferences."
*I think it's important to mention in the lead that they are a Christian band.
*"As the band members started to struggle with their Christian faith, the members started to not get along with each other as well as they used to." is a pretty awkward sentence.
*The discography section is formatted more like a discography list, rather than a discography section.  See WP:Album on how to write a section.  (i.e. without the boxes, bullet points instead).
So, those are my suggestions of how to improve the article and how to get it to GA status.  Unfortunately, I fear the first point might be insurmountable, but I hope not.  Please feel free to drop me a line with any questions or concerns you might have regarding my review.  Additionally, if you feel my review to be in error, you can always have the review reassessed at WP:GAR.  Good luck! Drewcifer (talk) 02:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what this has to do with a good article nomination from nearly a decade ago, but I'll respond anyhow. That would be :WP:OR. If you would like to cite a reference to lapses of faith in the band, the article could include it. If you would like to find sources that discuss how those lapses of faith affected the band or its members, that's fair game. To infer that the member have behaved in a way that you (and probably many other Evangelicals and Fundamentalists) would consider a lapse of faith is not enough to conclude that they had a lapse of faith. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article nomination 

message: Hello is this that CRUCIFIED who rapped  THAT MUSIC Ishanbull (talk) 13:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: No. It's clearly not. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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