Talk:Hua (state)

message: Alles ist wahr.Sehr richtig.Tuerken schreiben dass die Warhunnen "tuerken" waren.Es ist luege.
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:The Huaguo in northern Henan was destroyed by Qin Shi Huang, and the Hua tribe sought refuge in Shanxi. They came under the Xiongnu and later the Rouran. While some Hua still exist in Shanxi, between 410-470CE a Hua-Guni (滑-混夷 aka Varkuni/Varkoni or Avar-Huns ) pact was established and the Hua tribe rose to such a position of power that the Rouran placed them in charge of the huíhé 回紇 area when they conquered them in 460CE. Soon the Hua split into western (Hvar) and eastern (Hua) branches when they came to be ruled by a Yuezhi family called Yanda 厌哒 (traditional characters 厭達). According to the Liang  "Chih-kung-t'u" the eastern Hua later re-emerged under the leadership of the Yanda; in 541CE when they started to assert control of the huíhé 回紇 area independently from the Rouran. At the same time because of their royal family they came to be known as Yanda by outsiders, but internally they still called themselves Hua. Meanwhile the western Hvar branch migrated into Hualazimu (花剌子模 aka Kua-Li-kia) and still exist to this day in Dagestan and on the northern slopes of the Caucasus. From this location they launched the European Avar empire, and enjoyed their last flourish of prowess under Kuber before settling in Transylvania to join the Magyar federation as the Havar. Several central European family names derive from the name of this tribe.
If true this would explain some of the questions I have asked on the Talk:Uar page.Kaz 15:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hua word in Chinese is Hua "side, country, Pashtun/Pahtun country" (huayend "sleepery", huadzedel "to ask to be let off")word in Afghan language.Well-known, that in the most different languages of a word with value " the side, the party " can have the single-root variants in the form of "to slide, wander, pass, extend". For example in a Hebrew: 'eber "side of river", la'avor "To pass, be forwarded", 'avar "has passed".Thus we see full concurrence with oldiranian word varah/var " a side, the party " and modern iranian avardan "to bring",avare "wandering, the tramp". In Iran there is also a river Auhar and the city  Auhar.In Language of Caucasian Avars (<Auhar<Huar) hwa-deze is "to wander"/"-d" is a parameter of the speeded up action, and "-ze" the verbal termination/ and "hua-ze" to draw, spend a line, to draw " (the same value is available in Chinese. Old designation of the Caucasian Avars were "Auhar" (see W.Minorsky) is iranized form of Hua/hwar.On L.N.Gumilev Hua people (Hephthalites) is a part of chineze-tibetan (now it is possible with confidence and to tell more precisely that Sino-caucasian) caucasoid Di people.No doubt descendants of people "Di" are modern pashtuns (AparDi, Afridi) and the Caucasian Avars. The first having lost the language send on Afghani (Pashtun), the second on one of Nakh-Dagesthanian (Caucasian).
See also Omeljan Pritsak: "On the northern Caucasus, which was the border zone between the Sassanids (and latter the Islamic Caliphate) and the Khazar Kaganate at the time of its flower, we find the same Proto-Mongol structures that we find on the northeastern Chinese border. The main role there was played by the "true Avars" (*Ahwar /Wuhuan), the *Sebirs (Hsien-pi), the K'u-mo and the *Qay+lan/Qay+dag (Hsi)". ssvit.iatp.org.ua/sum/sum96~1.htm. This Hua/Hwa/Hoa people really was under strong influence of Protomongols. The chinese classic Liang chih-kung-t'u describes Hepthalites (Afu/Hua/Avar) as of the same origin as the Hua Country (Huaguo). Meanwhile the western Hvar branch migrated into Hualazimu (花剌子模 aka Kua-Li-kia) and still exist to this day in Daghestan (Northern Caucasus). From this location they launched the European Avar empire, and enjoyed their last flourish of prowess under Kuber before settling in Transylvania to join the Magyar federation as the Havar. Several central European family names derive from the name of this tribe.And besides, the Byzantian sources directly speak that Avars lived on coast of the river--81.24.80.50 (talk) 09:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hua/Huar were a branch of Sino-Caucasian Caucasoid "Di" People