Talk:Revan/Archive 3

message: Almost every sentence in this section is speculation. Can it be agreed that it is unencyclopedic and can be removed? Or does any of the theories have merit with a reference to a reputable source? Yincrash 08:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, some theories are pretty far from the character, specially raven. However, I say we should keep the revanchism reference, cause it is the most related to Revan's determination to fight the mandalorians. This term also appeared in Flashpoint Interlude: Homecoming of the Knight of the Old Republic comic series. - Neodammerung 00:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Name Section

message: I just noticed that the cited source for Revan's canon gender has no information regarding that...actually, it seems to only establish that in a future book Mon Calamari will be in the Outer Rim.  That's hardly a good citation of sources.  Please find the correct source for the statement, especially given the edit wars going on over even allowing a small section on the alternative female Revan to even exist on the page (which boggles my mind considering that no one has a problem with noting the non-canon Dark Side alternative.) 71.110.132.145 15:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The hostility towards the female Revan section is confusing to me, too. I have no problem with it being mentioned as an alternative, as long as it isn't being touted as his canonical gender. I'll see what I can do about pulling up another source for a male Revan. EVula 16:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Correct sources

message: I realize Atton initially introduces Revan as female in KotOR II, but what he's saying is just what he thinks. As he says when you tell him Revan is a male, he wants to think that Revan's female, because as we can tell from Atton's character (especially if you play as a female Exile), he's always looking for female attention. Therefore, we can safely conclude that Atton has no idea what sex Revan is, and that he simply opened with Revan as female due to wishful thinking. --Nufy8 18:12, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, so long as you don't bring your personal canon into Wikipedia. Nufy8 02:18, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: How about bringing the major possibilities, the reality of the game into Wikipedia?  There may be people out there interested in having an account of the differences in the game if it is played as a female.  Since there is a section on the non-canonical Dark Side male Revan ending, it seems proper that there should be a mention of some the non-canonical female Revan.  I'm adding a short section on a female Revan for them (and yeah, the part with Juhani is in the game, it's just very hard to trigger). 71.110.169.254 09:16, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I added that section.  Where did it go?  If I knew more about Wikipedia, I'd bring it back.  This is really getting ridiculous.  Why in the world is the DS version in if y'all are gonna delete the female possibility? edit: Nevermind, figured out how.  Now leave the possibility of a female Revan IN, reality superedes Lucas. 71.110.147.146 00:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revan as a female is not canon 

message: Okay, I didn't read all the posts here, so don't blast me if this opinion has already been answered, but I do believe that Revan was a female not only is Revan said to be a female from Atton in KotOR II, but, Revan is also said to be a female from Kreia in KotOR II also, if my memory recalls correctly, since I have both KotOR and the second game I have been trying to peice it together for a long time, so correct me if I am wrong on my opinion. User:Bestskinz187 7:15 PM, 25 Aug. 2005 (Central Time)
:Read the heading above entitled "Revan as a female is not canon." To add to it, Revan's sex in KotOR II is player choice as determined by dialog. Nufy8 00:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Exile's gender doesn't have to be the opposite of Revan's in the game. And as for everything else... well... I'm not sure if there was a point in all of that. Nufy8 18:06, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revan Female? 

message: What happened to the nice close up pic of Revan from the Sith Tomb in KOTOR 2? I thought it was a much better image than the current pic of Revan that looks like he has a piece of cardboard for a cloak/cape?  :) --(Unsigned comment by )
:I don't recall a picture like that on this article, but it might have been replaced. Nufy8 15:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they weren't. Some, like you said, had noticeable reseblances, but the character I played in KOTOR 1 didn't have anyone near him in KOTOR 2. -Xol 01:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revan Image. 

message: This is getting fucking redicilous. THERE IS NO CANON IN STAR WARS: KNIGHTS OF THE OLD REPUBLIC! THERE ARE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT ARE CANON. THE MOVIES, AND WHATEVER GEORGE LUCAS SAYS. LUCASARTS DOES !!NOT!! COUNT! IT IS NOT THE CREATOR OF STAR WARS, AND DOES NOT HOLD THE COPYWRIGHT TO THE IDEA! GEORGE LUCAS DOES! SO STOP SAYING THAT THERE IS A CANON WAY TO PLAY, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T! IT'S N00BS LIKE YOU THAT MAKE THIS WORLD SEEM LIKE A HAVEN OF LIES AND DECIET AND MISINFORMATION. JUST STOP!
:First, lose the caps lock. Second, read Star Wars canon. Statements like that, when a reliable source (which is clearly indicated in the article) says the opposite, are more than a little misguided. Nufy8 03:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even read all of the article? C-canon (novels, comics, games, etc.) are considered canon and make up the Expanded Universe. Nufy8 23:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I forebore the first time, but now I'm blocking you for personal attacks among other things. --maru  (talk) contribs 00:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

text: KOTOR is canon in the typical non-movie, it doesn't contradict anything higher than it sense. -Xol 05:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: All of you should remember WP:CIVIL. --Deskana (request backup) 14:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That may be true, in your point of view, although others are much less inclined to contemplate your point if it is taken in agression. As for your original statement about canon... Anyone may choose to play the game in whatever way they wish, sticking as closely or far away from canon as they like, though it will not change the canon itself. The option is a gameplay element  implemented for variety, replay value, and to reach a broader audience. While playing through the various options is wonderful, certain things must be defined in order to continue in the advancement of the story, and to lay the foundation for future games. Revan is perhaps the most prominent figure of the Old Republic, and to leave him/her ambiguous would be limiting for future games and productions. Speedman336 10:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: To the OP: Kid, your spelling is almost as bad as your knowledge of Star Wars. Darth Maddolis 00:14, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: There is no canon in KOTOR! Get over it!

message: Removing the image because of a new armor set is ridiculous. This article is based on Star Wars canon and not a guide to playing the video game. The video game and everything in it is not accepted into the star wars databank. Most of what you see in the game is because it is a game. Jedi didn’t run around in the same clothes everyday. Revan didn’t go swoop bike racing for fun. dark side Side Revan did use Dark Side powers. You get the idea. Game mechanics is not canon. Redd Dragon 05:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  KotOR0087.jpg Image 

message: I recommend removing the part about Tekky's fic. As good as it is, it's not canon, and has no real relevance. It's fanon, really. 70.30.158.135 02:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a neat bit of information to keep... if its notable, which it isn't. Its gone now. EVula 03:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  JediTeknoman 

message: I was going through the article and noticed one line that seemed a little biased, it was in the Star Forge section of the article:
"Revan most likely would have defeated Bastila and the remnants of her Jedi strike team if he was given the chance."
It was three Jedi against one with Revan backed into a corner, the outcome would be hard to call if anything.  I haven't given the entire article a look over, but I think there should be a check to make sure there aren't more of these comments, if this is considered biased. Razer of Chaos 21:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The entire biography needs a lot of work in my opinion, but I will remove that one line in particular. There is no way to tell this from the flashes that we see in dreams. If anything the way that Revan is hemmed off by Bastila and the Jedi indicates that he is losing. --IntrigueBlue 09:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A little biased 

message: Is this category really necessary?  He wasn't exactly a psychopath as much as a Sith Lord.  He really wasn't crazy.  What does everybody else think? Darthgriz98 22:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I removed the crazyness. Anyway, there is no evidence about Revan having a mental illness - Neodammerung 03:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's possible he was a sociopath. Sith Lord's tend to show signs of sociopathy, psychopathy, and narcissism, and someone who killed most of his soldiers for disloyalty, murdered likely quadrillions of people, had Jedi tortured and broken into monstrous slaves, and was deeply corrupted by the dark side would definately qualify for the first two. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lord Patrick (talk • contribs) 09:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional psychopath? 

message: Apparently, everyone's favorite "used to be a Jedi, then became a Sith, then became a Jedi/Sith again" character is getting an action figure. The gender?
Male.
I'll add the information to the article (complete with citation) when I get home, but I just thought I'd toss this out there as yet another nail in the "Revan is really a woman" coffin. This nail goes right next to the fact that, you know, the canon says he's male (tiny detail). EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been home and back several times, but never gotten around to doing this. Next week I should have more time. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it official? Because there is a fan-made Darth Revan figure out there on sale. Very well done, I might add.--The Scourge 18:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Nevermind. I saw the figure from an official source, heh. I'll give you the pleasure of putting it up, though.--The Scourge 18:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More "Revan is a man, baby!" evidence 

message: Some of you people are really gettin on my nerves. If there is a new Kotor, which I doubt, what more is there to tell? Thats right, there wont be. We're supposed to keep guessing about where Revan goes, or if he dies, or if he is still alive. Darthan the destroyer 22:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LucasArts has stated that they will not abandon the KotOR franchise. However clouded the future may be, we have their word. Speedman336 10:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: The greatness of the original and it's sequel is your opinion. I think the sequel was every bit as good as the first, if not more. I see this franchise as only getting better with time. But that is my opinion... Jedi Academy had some improvements over Outcast, but it also had flaws as well. Same with KotOR. Let us hope that the next developer will draw on the strengths of their predecessors to produce an outstanding game. Speedman336 22:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A New Kotor Game