Talk:Arabs in Turkey

message: The Mardin province has an Arab population of 40-55%, the Urfa province has an Arab population of 60% (+). This article is a castastrophe, but what else can you expect from Wikipedia. I could make a great article about the Arabs of Anatolia, with sources and sensefull graphics, but its not worth making this for Wikipedia. --Najdiarabian (talk) 10:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments 

message: Some factual errors: Hatay currently has a Turkish-majority population, the figure % 4 is highly doubtful, most Arabs in Turkey are Sunnis. For example the wife of Prime Minister Erdoğan is a Sunni Arab from Siirt. Both Sunni and Alawi Arabs live in Hatay. The schism between these populations are obvious. Sunni Arabs have a significantly high rate of illiteracy and other indicators of social impoverishment. Arab population in Gaziantep is negligible and Arabs form the majority in these districts in Siirt, Şanlıurfa, and Mardin: Siirt, Aydınlar; Akçakale, Harran; Mardin, Savur, Yeşilli. All three of these provinces have overall Kurdish majorities. There are also groups of Sunni Arabs in Adana and Mersin. For example, some Sunni Arabs in Çukurova are descendants of refugees from present-day Libya who left for Anatolia following the Italo-Turkish War in 1912. Behemoth 08:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, we shouldn't rely on the LOC exclusively. Their data are flawed; but if we're citing them, we have to cite them accurately. The way out of the situation is to find other sources that do correct the LOC story and corroborate what you're saying above... Q·L·1968 ☿ 15:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with some of that. Most Arabs in Turkey are Sunnis, but they are now in some sense Turkish too. Some of them don't speak Arabic anymore. Many of them live in Adana and Mersin. It is important to notice that many Arabs in Hatay are Sunnies and they have voted to be part of Turkey. Yet, that does not make them Turks. --Truthpedia 20:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Behemoth; prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is Laz which means Muslim Pontic Greek. 14:03, 04 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was talking about his wife. Khoikhoi 03:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't think Laz are Pontic Greeks, but anyway he might be Pontic Greek, but as far as I know, he is of Georgian descent. deniz 05:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Laz people#Terminology, The general Turkish public use the name "Laz" for all inhabitants of Black Sea provinces to the east of Samsun. Khoikhoi 06:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: This project is not used in Wikipedia. Please learn why it is not used. Kavas (talk) 07:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Joshua 

message: Your sources are faaaar from being serious. Ali Tayyar Önder is estimating the Kurds at 7%, which we all know is not true. Milleyet estimates Turks in Turkey at 81% and Kurds at 9%, again this is -as usual- simply underestimating non-Turkic components. What you call National Security Council source is just a blog copying one of your other sources. Given the intense Turkification campaigns for decades, it just natural to deny the presence of a significant number of Arabs living and present there before the arrival of Turkic tribes from Central Asia in the 11th century. Since there is no official census or even estimation for minorities in Turkey, it will be very hard to believe your numbers. By the way, all the numbers cited in your references are outdated (some from the early 1980's). عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:22, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In the source of Milliyet the population of Kurdish people in Turkey is 13,4% and this figure is definetly realistic and reliable. It is normal that in Turkey right now is a "Turkification", also in the past things like that happen, like the German Ostsiedlung or the French Huguenots which migrated to Germany and became German. The right term here is how many Arabs consider themselves as Arabic or Turkish. People integrate themselves to the majority of population and are becoming a part of them. We are not talking here about the past but right now nobody even in the European or US researches is giving the number of Arabic people in Turkey higer than 1 million. You can search and find an other source which is giving the number as 8 million. But this source should be trustful and from the officials. Here is an other source from the Milli Güvenlik Kurumu from an other newspaper . Also the sources aren't outdated and from the 1980's. This source is from 2008 and from the Library of Congress, also this is the most reliable source and correspond with the official Turkish sources. Show me a source by me which is from 1980's. Also your thesis with population growth is the biggest nonesense, because this growth is calculated through all Turkey  and the growth of Arabic population in the Republic of Turkey is maybe -1%? I am gonna contact someone who is in a higer position than us to slove this problem, someone neutral. Sero1988 16:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sero, since you are not willing to give up the extremely low numbers you are projecting, I suggest that we put a range of 1-8 Million, with the sources for each. I hope this would solve the different estimations problem. عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 17:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen I dont want to discuss about this figure anymore, make what ever you want. I am Turkish of Laz heritage and I have friends from Adana or from the rest of Turkey. I only met one Arab from Turkey and she was from Hatay but she considers herself as Turkish and not  Arabic anymore, she couldnt even speak Arabic. With your figure Turkey is not gonna be Arabic or the population. You put a figure which is not true and which isnt connected to the truth. Save a little bit money and travel to Adana or even Hatay and make your own conclusion about the Arabic population there. I am from the province Sinop and in your site the figure of Arabs is there 6500, I travel every year to that place, the local people know which village is Georgian or Circassian. On the matter of fact you put this figure for nationalistic reasons. But your act is empty. So good bye and be a little bit more realistic!!!  Sero1988 17:11, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

text: Sero, obviously this number includes those who don't speak Arabic, but are of Arab origin. You can still be Arab but not speak Arabic. BTW, I did travel to Adana, Iskenderun, and Antakya (among others) and met with people speaking Arabic there. Cheers. عمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm afraid your alleged personal experiences are not relevant here. --Mttll (talk) 20:25, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serious sources? 

message: Where's the source for this? Cavann (talk) 19:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source needed for provinces with significant populations 

message: Cavann, your Konda source is one source I can't read and can't trust. I have added the number from the US Congress study in the infobox. I have added some historical background and I'll keep working on that, hoping to reach agreement on this. If you don't like Joshua project, I'll get other sources for you, no worries. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 02:46, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, your Konda source says 0.75% Arabs and 0.35% Alewis, adding up to 1.1%, not 0.7% as you were claiming. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 03:23, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's Alevi. Some people identified with religion, rather than ethnicity. So adding that up to Arabs is WP:OR. It's also interesting that you said you cannot read the source, yet you can see the percentage for Arabs. Do not falsify the source. Cavann (talk) 23:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the one falsifying, the number for Arabs is %0.75 (not 0.7% as you claim) + 0.35% for Alawis. If you round off, then 0.75 rounds up to 0.8 not to 0.7. This is Grade 5 math. Alawis are Arabs, and they speak Arabic, the only difference is that they are Sunnis. I didn't know that I also have to educate you about this. As for reading  the source, it says page 15, and with an invention called Google Translate you can figure out that Arabs translates to Araplari in Turkish. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 16:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I already told you Alevi is not the same thing with Alawi. There are 10 to 15 million are Alevis in Turkey. Clearly, they are not necessarily Arab. .7% is the adjusted rate (in the column "KONDA Tarafından Düzenlenmiş Veriye Göre"), which we are using, since we are using inferential statistics here. .75% is the results of raw data.Cavann (talk) 18:24, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

text: Yes, Alevis are different from Alawis, and Konda is clearly referring to Alawis with the slim percentage of 0.35%. Otherwise, the percentage could have been 15-20%. I still believe the percentage for Konda should be 0.75%+0.35%=1.1%. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I already told you some people identified with religion, rather than ethnicity. .9 are "Muslim Turks." Clearly that is not the % of Muslims in Turkey. Stop trying to push your OR into the article. Cavann (talk) 17:21, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

text: In this case, this whole Konda study is crap. If the numbers don't mean anything, why refer to them???!!! Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 01:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
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