Talk:Abdullah ad-Daghistani

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ABDULLAH DAGHESTANI WAS AVAR
Abdullah Daghestani was Avar (Caucasian Avar) from Daghestan as Imam Shamil.
--Auhar (talk) 13:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

message: This page is in need of work, and I intend to improve it. It appears there is some debate by editors of this page over Abdullah's credentials as a Sufi shaykh. This is a major issue as it is basically questioning if he was fraudulent. The Naqshbandi-Haqqani sufis view him as a legitimate shaykh. This is firmly established throughout their internal literature and the secondary sources that have examined the tariqa, see sources and additional reading in Nazim al-Haqqani. I intend to bring those sources into this article shortly: the "pro" side will then be sourced. Apparently, someone else disputes this. I find no source for this claim other than a link at present to a an Arabic language hand-written letter. At the very least this would be original research, which is problematic as a source for such a serious claim. For now I have changed the text to represent pro and con. If I don't see another source in the next few days or compelling arg to the contrary I will remove the mention of doubt in his ijaza. Bapehu (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, based on WP:NOR and the severity of the claim WP:EXCEPTIONAL, i.e. exceptional claims require exceptional sources, I'm removing for now the mention of there being any question about his ijaza. If someone wants to bring a source, we can reinstate it. Bapehu (talk) 18:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've now located the source of the former reference for this claim. I have created a new section on controversy and cited an English language website as a source. Bapehu (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy over ''ijaza'' 

message: The sources for this subject are exclusively the Naqshbandi-Haqqani tariqah's publications and the Academic works on that group and their shaykh, Mehmet Nazim Adil (Shaykh Nazim al-Haqqani). In those works, Abdullah Fa'iz ad-Daghestani is referred to only as "shaykh Abdullah" following the initial mention of his name, i.e., never Abdullah alone. As per the exception to WP:Honorific, he should be referred throughout the article as "Shaykh Nazim" like "Mother Theresa" or "Father Coughlin". I've done so with the exception of passages that are specifically referring to his training as a sufi shaykh, i.e. prior to his being known as Shaykh Abdullah. Bapehu (talk) 18:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to naming convention in the article 

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