Talk:Alberto Fujimori/Archive 1

message: :"Ciudadano Fujimori", by Jojamovich, Perú 1994
I could not find a reference to this book on Amazon.com, suggesting that its availability is not universal. Also, being a Spanish language title, it might better be referenced in a Spanish Wikipedia article about Fujimori. So I moved it here for the sake of further discussion. -- Viajero 12:10, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book reference 

message: : Are you sure that his name is Albert and not Alberto? -- Error 01:19, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Cuzco100, kindly do not keep reinstating an old version of the article. You are destroying additional work made on the text by me and others. If you disagree with the content, please list your grievances here. This is the only way for us to proceed constructively. -- Viajero 13:02, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they separated in 1994 and divorced in 1998. Thanks for pointing out the discrepancy. -- Viajero 12:17, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: Biased against him? I'd say it's biased in his favour. Shorne 20:05, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the article shows his "bad" side.  Why do you state is biased in his favour?  Furthermore, if you think it's biased, then you agree that the "Neutrality is Disputed".--AAAAA 12:43, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuzco100, please discuss your issues here 

message: The Japanese Wikipedia writes Fujimori's name as Alberto Kenya Fujimori Fujimori (アルベルト ケンヤ フジモリ フジモリ) but it appears as Kenyo in the English Wikipedia (as well as in other languages). I did a Google search and it returned 738 results for "Alberto Kenya Fujimori", 476 for "Alberto Kenyo Fujimori" and none for アルベルト ケンヨ (Alberto Kenyo). Which one is correct? Sabbut 20:21, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea about 'Kenyo' spelling, but the pronunciation of his KANJI name is 'Kenya'(and not Kenyo definitely). Maybe Peruvians read it like Kenyo? Hans castorp81 09:31, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Kenya or Kenyo?

message: I must say that most of this article is clearly parcial and doesn´t present an equal point of view aobut Fujimori. I believe that more research is needed before writing something agains a political figure or former statesman. Also, this article is clearly more focus in promoting him as "evil" rather than something more accurate. A rectification is needed. Messhermit 14:15, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree with Messhermit.--AAAAA 16:47, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is highly biased AGAINST Fujimori 

message: Hello,
I would like you to explain a number of the assertions you want to add to this article. 
:In late 2000, while representing Peru in a International Conference in Japan, he submitted his resignation by fax. 
In everything I have read about Fujimori, I have never heard anything about a conference as his reason for going to Japan. Could you please provide a reference? A link to an article in online mainstream news site would be best.
:Fujimori call for early elections, wich were due to be held on April 2001. He also stated that he will not be one of the candidates, since he will transfer the Government to the next President elected.
Are you saying he called for this election from Japan, after he had fled from Peru? This is the first time I have heard of this. A citation please.
Also, you want to remove this text:
:many in hastily and poorly-organized privatizations. Of the estimated $9 billion raised in the process, only a small part ever benefited the Peruvian people; much of the money raised disappeared in Fujimori's patronage machine.
These were the findings of a congressional investigation led by Peruvian congressman Javier Diez Canseco in 2002. Do you deny these findings?
And you want to remove this text:
: it did so at tremendous social cost; it generated massive poverty and pushed Peru's economy into a deep recession from which it has yet to recover.
The last time I looked, the poverty rate of Peru was about 55%, with some 15% living in extreme poverty. These figures are a lot worse than they were in 1990. What is the current unemployment rate in Peru? Is it even possible to measure it? We both know that the recent growth rates have been due to mining activities, a notoriously capital intensive activity, and one of little of any benefit for the vast majority of Peruvians (the profits leave the country).  If Peru is not in a recession, then the word has no meaning. 
And you want to remove this text:
:Despite a constitutional prohibition of a third term of office, Fujimori insisted in declaring his candidacy for the 2000 elections.
Are you insisting that a third term was permissible under the consitituion of Peru?
And you want to remove this text:
:It emerged in 2002, on the basis of forensic investigation and testimony of witnesses, that only one of the 14 rebels actually died in the assault; the others surrendered peacefully but were summarily executed by the commandos on the order of Vladimiro Montesinos.
Forensic investigations determined that the thirteen were executed in cold blood, and this was confirmed by eyewitnesses; this report was published in La Republica on 20 May 2002. Here is an excerpt:
:General William admite que se dispararon tiros de gracia
:Los comandos que el 22 de abril de 1997 rescataron a los 71 rehenes de la casa del embajador japonés en Lima "fueron instruidos para disparar a los subversivos en una parte vital del cuerpo", afirmó el general del EP José William Zapata, quien estuvo al mando de la preparación militar del los miembros del "Comando Chavín de Huántar". William explicó que la técnica que utilizaron los militares que participaron en la acción fue la de disparar a los subversivos hasta asegurarse de que estén "fuera de combate".
:[...]
:El general José William Zapata es uno de los 12 oficiales del Ejército que se encuentran con orden de detención preventiva, según lo determinó la jueza Cecilia Pollack Boluarte, por ser los presuntos responsables de los asesinatos de Nicolás Cruz Sánchez (a) "Tito", Luz Meléndez Cueva y Víctor Peceros Pedraza, terroristas que supuestamente se habían rendido antes de recibir los disparos que les causaron la muerte. 
Although I realize that Fujimori cannot be held responsible for all the actions of Montesinos, in this particular case, as you may recall, Fujimori took explict credit for the outcome, posing for the press amidst the bodies of the dead rebels. DO you remember those photos? Here is one: http://www.aprodeh.org.pe/mrta/web00.htm
And you want to remove this text:
:"The order will be issued worldwide for human rights crimes for which he can be pursued and which do not expire," said Peruvian Justice Minister Fausto Alvarado.
Are you denying that Alvarado issued this arrest warrant?
Thank you for answering these questions first before reverting the text again. -- Viajero 12:17, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  note to Messhermit 

message: I take it somebody doesn't like mr. Fujimori? Lets make that a little less obvious in the article, shall we? (Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 17:31, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: In medieval Japan were called Samurai different as Ronin which them got no king to serve, and the name of this knight is Fujimori.
There are some reasons reflected in this article that lacks of neutrality point of view,
users like viajero are trying to confuse people over the internet.
There are no accurate proves what facts are just accusations without fundaments, which indeed is like among traitors, such as Bruto to Julius Caesar.
*President Alberto Fujimori accepted to let to public knowledge his accounts on foreing banks, proving he is innocent.
*All acussations have submitted a large scale of nonsense journalist attacks from big newspapers to over small pages on internet, and even portals of knowledge like Wikipedia.
*Peruvian congress has useless investigated Fujimori without having a real prove, what they all have as same as media on Peru are entirely accusations without arguments.
*Peruvian prosecutor Ugaz and his 30 member tean have been a useless investigation too, even to the cinism to see what was hinded behind the old house of Fujimori - Higuchi couple.
*It is impossible to have so many delits as press say, facing this fact, without leaving any evidence of the crime, THE perfect robber? i dont think so.
*Even Montesinos could have said any appropiate argument or just any clue against him, just yada yada yada ~
*All the accusations against Fujimori have been done in base or arguments said by criminals and people on jail, obvious pressed by circumstanses. Such as ms. Pinchi Pinchi former Montesinos assistant which obviously does only for attracting mass media attention.
*If all those arguments about the accounts Fujimori has, who know where they are?
6 years have already passed and there is no clue, we know about other so called presidents such as Alejandro Toledo which indeed they are guilty of borrowing money from national treasury to favoring his family.
*Obviously the monarchy of Japan has analysed all this information against him, and knowing there is no arguments that has proves or evidence, let him stay in his heart-motherland
*Peruvian politics such as Weisman even said Mig 29 were scrap, hopefully he admitted his mistake, and even said he wouldn't wish to said that.
*About the gold ingots all is entirely false, based on proves by the BCR (Peruvian National Treasury Bank) , the institution proved there was no evidence that even a singe gold ingot could be left.
*About the welfare retirements found , it is well known by media was already in shrink crisis since 15 years ago. 
*It is impossible to use the word criminal to a president that let Peruvian wealth and stability came after 100 years of reining corruption and insiduous wars internal and external ones.
*President Fujimori has a universitarian title and studied in one of the most prestigious universities in the science field in Peru (UNI - Engieenering and Science National University), and even has been a tv personality during the 80's, a simple man, industrious, does this seems a figure to a criminal to you?.
*Criminals are those who died on Japanese embassy in 1997 trying to let old and extinguished and rotten ideals from comunism back alive, they were terrorist which they kill people without asking, or even doing any judgement.
*Montesinos managed by himself all by his interest, money he earned all these years has been adquired by insiduous operations held alongside drug and gun traffickers, and if you want a criminal there you got, hopefully as i stated he is behind the bars where he belongs.
Well people among on wikipedia, it's time to face the facts, never a single man in peruvian history was investigated so far like Fujimori.
*More then ethnicity is Fujimori has shown to all of us the tradition it is in his veins, the brave and courage from admiral Togo which defeated the Russians in 1905, and integrity of war time Hirohito, and the peace and wisdom of late prime minister Junichiro Koizumi its time to let in your mind, known he is a real knight.HappyApple 21:39, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Knight named Fujimori 

message: I have found on article in the New York Times which provides a useful, non-partisan analysis of the third-term issue:
December 28, 1999
Peru's Chief to Seek 3rd Term, Capping a Long Legal Battle
By CLIFFORD KRAUSS
BUENOS AIRES, Dec. 27 -- President Alberto K. Fujimori of Peru announced his candidacy for an unprecedented third term today, arguing that his country needed him to guarantee an end to terrorism and to complete its economic recovery.
President Fujimori's announcement capped four years of legal and political maneuvering to overcome a constitutional bar against three consecutive presidential terms.
"We do not want to return to the past," he said in an address to the nation. "That is the reason for my candidacy. Another option may have been preferable but there are no alternatives."
The son of Japanese immigrants, President Fujimori, 61, shocked the political establishment by winning election in 1990 and was easily re-elected five years later. During his decade of rule, he has brought the country's traditional hyperinflation under control, greatly reduced the cocaine trade and negotiated a settlement to a border conflict with neighboring Ecuador.
His enduring popularity, however, comes from the retreat of two guerrilla groups that once controlled wide swaths of territory but now can do little more than mount small, isolated attacks. In his speech today, President Fujimori pledged to "extinguish every vestige of terrorism from the country" in his next term.
But President Fujimori's often autocratic methods -- including replacing the Congress and the Supreme Court by decree in 1992 and taking a television station away from a critic of his government -- have attracted widespread criticism among human rights groups. Most recently, critics have accused him of manipulating and even replacing judges and election officials who opposed his re-election bid.
The 1993 Constitution prohibits a third presidential term. But three years later, supporters of President Fujimori who control the Congress pushed through a law that excluded him from the prohibition since his first term began before the document was written. Over the last two years, the Congress dismissed three senior judges who opposed the law and then blocked a popular referendum intended to block his re-election. 
[...]
From: http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/americas/122899peru-fujimori.html
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And also this, in the Miami Herald:
March 1, 2000
Peru's president accused of illegal campaign ploy
[...]
CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE
Presidential candidate Luis Castaneda Lossio, third in the polls, cited the
allegedly forged signatures as an example of how Fujimori and his allies ``trample
the constitution and remain on the margins of the law.''
Most opposition candidates maintain that the president's candidacy is
unconstitutional.
Fujimori was first elected in 1990. During his first term he dissolved Congress and
convoked a Constitutional Congress to write a new constitution, which permitted
reelection. It was approved in a 1993 referendum.
Fujimori won reelection in 1995 with 64 percent of the votes. Fresh off that victory,
his allies in Congress interpreted the new constitution to mean that he had been
elected only once under it and, therefore, could run again in the 2000 election.
[...]
From: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/peru/ploy.htm
-- Viajero 11:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutionality of third term 

message: La Republica,4 January 2000:
:UPP hace enérgico llamado a la unidad de la oposición
:Unión por el Perú, frente a la ilegal candidatura del ingeniero Alberto Fujimori y su convalidación igualmente ilegal en días pasados por el Jurado Nacional de Elecciones, expresa a la opinión pública nacional e internacional lo siguiente:
:1. La maquinaria estatal fujimorista continúa con su pretensión de entronizar en el país un régimen autoritario de larga duración y un sistema económico antinacional al servicio de los intereses transnacionales. El control de las instituciones básicas (poder Judicial, Legislativo, FFAA, Ministerio Público, etc.), el empleo abierto y descarado de recursos del Estado, el control de algunos medios de comunicación, la persecución a la oposición, la impunidad para los corruptos y violadores de los derechos humanos y, ahora último, el uso de lúmpenes para agredir a todos aquellos que no comulgan con la verdad oficial, nos muestran que los peruanos nos enfrentamos, luego del intento criminal del senderismo, a la más grande amenaza por imponer un sistema totalitario en nuestra patria. El triunfo del fujimorismo significaría la consolidación de un gobierno que, tras un fachada aparentemente democrática, ejerce el poder de manera clandestina, empleando para ello métodos policiacos.
:2. Frente a esta amenaza totalitaria, a la que se suma un manejo económico que prometiendo prosperidad a los peruanos los empobrece más, Unión por el Perú, consciente de su responsabilidad, hace un llamado a las fuerzas de la oposición democrática a buscar la más amplia unidad. Sólo unidos podremos derrotar a la dictadura fujimorista e iniciar la construcción de un país democrático, desarrollado y justo, capaz de enfrentar colectivamente los retos de la globalización. Es hora, pues, de deponer intereses de grupo y escuchar el reclamo de millones de peruanos que aspiran a un país unido y a un régimen democrático. La UPP reitera, en este contexto, su voluntad unitaria.
:3. Finalmente, Unión por el Perú reitera su confianza en el pueblo y lo llama a reflexionar sobre las consecuencias para nuestra patria que significa la instalación de un sistema totalitario. Estamos convencidos, como siempre lo hemos estado, que los peruanos sabremos responder a esta amenaza y poner fin a la tiranía en el Perú. 
:Henry Pease García
:Secretario General de Unión por el Perú (UPP) (emphasis mine) 
and
Michel Azcueta respalda marcha del jueves
:«Como ciudadano estoy de acuerdo con la realización de la jornada cívica nacional del 6 de enero porque busca expresar el repudio y rechazo de la población peruana por la ilegal postulación de Alberto Fujimori, quien pretende perpetuarse en el poder», manifestó ayer el vocero de Somos Perú, Michel Azcueta. Aunque sus declaraciones no fueron como un representante de la agrupación política, sino como un ciudadano convencido de la lucha que se deberá emprender contra la dictatura, Azcueta hizo un llamado a los peruanos para que participen de la movilización pacífica, la cual tendrá como objetivos decirle ¡No! al continuismo fujimorista y defender la libertad y la democracia.
:«Hay una mayoría importantísima, millones de peruanos que consideran anticonstitucional la candidatura de Fujimori, por lo que me parece normal y lógico que la gente se manifieste pacíficamente y deje sentado en las calles su desacuerdo», expresó.
:Señaló que el país lleva 10 años de «oscurantismo cultural», sin avances ni progresos, con una Constitución política burlada, vulnerada y pisoteada'.
:«Todos los peruanos tenemos que luchar para que se restituyan en nuestro país la democracia y el Estado de derecho. ¿De qué forma?, valorando a conciencia la independencia del poder, deseando un Congreso constituyente sin injerencia del Ejecutivo y anhelando un Poder Judicial y Tribunal Constitucional autónomos», manifestó. (emphasis mine)
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New York Times, November 21, 2000:
: With Mr. Fujimori signaling to aides on Sunday his intention to resign and remain indefinitely in Japan, there were spontaneous celebrations in the streets ranging from workers and students dunking each other in the colonial fountains of Arequipa to protestors burning tires in other provincial cities while carrying banners demanding that the entire "Fujimori mafia" be imprisoned. The sense of relief that Peru's long roller-coaster of a political crisis may be coming to an end was summed up by the simple banner headline in today's Liberación newspaper: "Finally!" 
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Congressional records, 31 October 2001:
:PACHECO VILLAR (FIM): [...] Eso sí, no tenemos, Presidente, por qué sustraernos ni tener ningún temor de mirar a las cámaras y al país, y decirle sean diplomáticos o no, se trata de servidores y trabajadores que fueron vilmente tratados por la dictatura, por Fujimori, por Montesinos; sin ningún temor, trabajadores de cualquier sector, pero empecemos por lo menos con este sector que ha sido vilipendiado y que está esperando 2 meses a que el Congreso de una vez por todas, se quite el antifaz, mire los ojos de frente y pida a la Cancillería que mejoremos ese servicio por un Perú nuevo, por un Perú que nos permita tener una mejor imagen en el exterior, señor Presidente. (emphasis mine)
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La Republica, 25 de febrero del 2002
:¿Derechos políticos sin derechos económicos?
:por Mirko Lauer
:[...] A medida que el primer impacto del "descubrimiento" de la mafia fujimorista retrocede en el tiempo, van cambiando partes de la percepción pública del fenómeno. La crítica original a esta red de criminales fue haber montado una dictadura para poder dedicarse al robo a gran escala. La idea era que castigarlos resolvería el problema de la corrupción y la dictadura. [...] (emphasis mine)
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Once Again, I confirm that you are poorly informed, Viajero. Stop fueling this discussion by adding those Highly Biased arguments, that clearly don't have any NPOV idea. THey are quotes of people that hate the former President, and also show their efforts to demonize him. I could load this entire page with information supporting the president, but i will not dout becouse it will only mean to gave you some justification to keep writing nonsence on this page. Those sources also show how you support your statements: POV and opinions of this corrupt Toledo Administration and those who support Terrorist under the banner of "Human Rights". Please, stop using this kind of rethoric and pathetic information. The former president is controvertial, but not even a 50% + 1 of Peruvians call it dictator. PERIOD. Messhermit 16:41, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perceptions of AF's regime: Totalitarian? Autocratic? A dictatorship? A mafia?...