Talk:Melbourne

message: Melb is now the latest city in Australia.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-65261720.amp
This fact - needs to be reflect in both the Sydney , Melbourne, and Australia wiki pages.
I updated the Sydney and Melbourne page, with references and someone changed it back (factually incorrect) and locked the page.
what are your thoughts on this? Aussie1978 (talk) 22:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see thediscussion above. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 23:28, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

text: It depends on how you define "biggest city by population" as in some metrics Sydney is still larger than Melbs 131.172.226.169 (talk) 14:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But when we apply the same rules the government employs to judge both Sydney and Melbourne. Melbourne is a larger city. <IP removed> 22:11, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No it isn't. See this link. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 22:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melbourne is the largest city in Australia 

message: Hello all
I have updated the official ABS population estimates for Melbourne in the infobox. The ABS release is here. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures for 2023 

message: A regular event with this article (and others that mention its population) is editors updating it with a claim that Melbourne is the most populous city in Australia. This is unsurprising, because bits of media from all over the world are making the claim. The most recent change used a quite reputable source. It's also obviously highly debatable, based on the obvious issue of which figure is the one we use. These frequent changes aren't going to stop, unless we take a new approach.
I suggest a new perspective. What's unusual about Australia is not that one of it's two biggest cities has slightly more people than the other, but that its two biggest cities are almost the same size, and will be for at least the next twenty years. Why not make that the population comment in articles that mention anything like this, rather than emphasising that one is bigger. That emphasis is wrong. This proposal will deliver stability for the next several years. HiLo48 (talk) 00:47, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: All the articles on Australian cities use the official ABS data which is updated annually. This has been thoroughly discussed multiple times. Your assertion that Melbourne and Sydney will be "almost the same size for the next twenty years" is unsourced and not true. ABS projections indicate thgat Melbourne will overtake Sydney sometime in the next 5 to 10 years. When it does the relevant articles will state that Melbourne is the most populous city. Until it does Sydney remains the most populous city. This is a fact and wikipedia records facts. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 11:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an unhelpful response. Melbourne overtaking Sydney is not a negation of my prediction at all. We are experiencing a lot of what I know you see as unacceptable changes at present, and will presumably keep doing so. My proposal was aimed at reducing the number of those events. Suggesting that we keep doing what we have always done because we have always done it that way is not helpful. I was not proposing stating anything that isn't factual. You should not have implied that I had. HiLo48 (talk) 12:18, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I am suggesting that we continue to use the official ABS data, as we do for every other city in Australia. If people replace it with unofficial data it will be reverted and they can go to the talk page and seek consensus for the use of unofficial population data. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 13:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not suggest ignoring the ABS data and replacing it with unofficial data. I suggested an entirely different approach to talking about the populations of our two biggest cities.  HiLo48 (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

text: I have reinstated the source for the ABS official data which someone recently removed. I have deleted the ridiculous comparison with Oceania which someone recently added. Australia s is by far the most populous country in Oceania so the second largest city in Australia is most likely to be the second largest city in Oceania. The statement is unhelpful. Aemilius Adolphin (talk) 12:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Граймс - Just like Aemilius, you seem to have completely misunderstood my proposal, and have ended up discussing something I didn't say. Please have another, careful read of my initial post here. HiLo48 (talk) 10:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's time for a new approach regarding Australia's most populous city.