Talk:Christian Shephard

message: Has anyone noticed the Jesus Christ/Christian Shephard link?
Jesus Christ & the empty tomb; Christian Shephard & the empty coffin
--TheRealZajac 09:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jesus Link

message: This is to avoid a possible edit war.  The previous arc say's that he may be a vision, an apparition, a ghost.   There is a very real possibility that Christian Shephard is alive again, that he has somehow been restored to life by the island.  Vincent the dog saw him...Miles...claire.....Locke all saw him in a physical sense.  Again, we don't know the details, but the possibility that he is actually alive again can't be ignored.  Whippletheduck (talk) 06:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of the possibilities in the lead are based on the speculation in the Characteristics section. Each possibility in there has a reference to a reliable resource where someone has made that comment. If you come up with a reference for for that, then add it. Wikipedia doesn't allow original research, so you can't add what you personally theorise. Sanders11 (talk) 12:35, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I understand what you're saying, but that's not what wiki is for. We add content that can be verified using a reference. Although you think this is a valid possibility, it is irrelevant until there is something that can be referenced to saying this. The things that happen during the show are stated as they appear in the episode, and if the reader of this article thinks he may be alive, then they can interpret it like that. As it is not stated explicitly in an episode, and you haven't got a reference from a critical review or something, you shouldn't add it. Also the producers have stated that Christian is dead, which is mentioned in the Characteristics section, and I have a feeling the producers have said that once a character dies, they stay dead, although I may be wrong. Sanders11 (talk) 15:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Well if he is discovered to be alive on the Island in season 5, then it should be added at that point. Sanders11 (talk) 12:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay how about this. I think Christian is a clone. He looks exactly like the original Christian but this one was created on the Island. That would explain why he is present on the Island. Should I add that he might be a clone? No, because that is my own interpretation of what has happened. However should I find a review of "Cabin Fever" where the reviewer states that he or she thinks Christian is a clone, then I can quote that and reference it here, because then it should I am not doing original research. Does that make sense? And all of what you said above can just as easily be explained as an apparition of the smoke monster. Sanders11 (talk) 11:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I never actually thought that he was a clone, it was an example to show that you can't add speculation and original research to an article. Yes the idea that Christian was brought back to life is perfectly plausible, but that is irrelevant, you should only add things like that with a direct reference stating that. And I have no idea what Shii Ann is. Sanders11 (talk) 20:38, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A Vision, an Apparition, a Ghost....or is he alive again?

message: In what episodes is his first name (Christian) used?
-Alex.rosenheim (talk) 15:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  His first name 

message: the page fails to mention that christian tells vincent to go wake up as he has work to do right before the opening scenes of the very first episode  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.181.225 (talk) 03:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  talk with vincent 

message: It isn't implied that the visitor is Christian, it could also have been Locke, as this was who Hurley was talking about before he told Jack he would be getting a visitor.
Anthropomancer (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack's visitor 

message: This article is written as though this is one single character, but with the season five finale in mind there is there not reason enough to separate the two out? The article does not have to definitively state whether or not they are the same, but given they seemingly have entirely different characteristics (beyond sharing the same appearance), the article as it is currently assumes they ARE the same. MultipleTom (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We have no solid, reliable, secondary proof that they are two different people. We have people's assumptions (none that I have seen to be reliable though), but there is no proof that they are two different people.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 18:44, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is that we have no solid, reliable, secondary proof that they are the same singular character. The article should at least be broken down into "his" two distinct incarnations, surely? Now my personal inclination is that Island-Christian is the same character as unLocke and Jacob's friend and the mysterious entity in the cabin, but that's not what I'm asking about here. MultipleTom (talk) 22:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Currently this page seems very similar to Locke, and we know for a fact Locke is not the same. So when there is speculation Christian is not the same, why should that be a special case? As I said, I agree, I think he may be FLocke, unLocke, whatever you want to call the Man in Black, but we have no proof.  --HELLØ    ŦHERE 22:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are Original-Christian and Island-Christian the same character?