Talk:Flag of Europe

message: Should we mention that the star formation is similar to a historical flag of the US?
This one: http://www.crwflags.com/art/hist/us13betsy.gif
Bogdan | Talk 20:31, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: (old comments)

message: :The flag does bear a striking resemblance to that of the International Paneuropean Union, an organization led by Otto von Habsburg, the current head of the legendary Habsburg family--a family which produced at least 19 Holy Roman Emperors.
This looks like a pretty tenuous link to me. You might as well say "The flag is used by the European Parliament, which for twenty years counted among its members Otto von Habsburg, the current head of the legendary Habsburg family--a family which produced at least 19 Holy Roman Emperors." Marnanel 12:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  tenuous link with the HRE 

message: Does somebody remember a flag consisting mainly of a big green E? --Error 01:54, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but you've made me think of the slightly comical jubilea simbolo which is the closest thing I know of to what you describe. — Trilobite (Talk) 04:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: It's the flag of the European movement. -- Joolz 17:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Here are available some additional information about the former flag of the European Movement
http://www.fotw.net/flags/eu%7Dmov.html#for 8 July 2011  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.168.2.153 (talk) 14:21, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Green E

message: I've removed the image of the flag from this and other pages today as a vandalised version has been uploaded. Hopefully this can be restored soon but I don't have the facility to do this at the moment! Wombat 14:55, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalised image 

message: I feel bad about seeing mangled version of the flag. A paragraph of plain text could replace them.124.192.21.43 (talk) 14:54, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: .

message: The picture of 15-star flag proposal of 1953 is not correct. It shows a light blue field.
The picture on the official proposal is dark blue: Emblem adopted by the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe in 1953
I think that the confusion comes from the text of the proposal : "Sur le fond bleu du ciel...", meaning "On the blue background of the sky...". But that does not meaning that the colour was sky blue. There is no ambiguity with the associated picture.
--2A01:E0A:AB7:FA80:B956:3321:8A64:1703 (talk) 12:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Not the right colours on 15-star flag and 8-ring flag

message: Where has this image come from?  Is there a source that this is a serious proposal considered by the European Council and not just someone playing with CorelDraw?  The council have made it clear that there are no plans to change the flag, the 12 stars have no relation to number of states, why would a change be needed now at the 5th enlargement?  In addition the stars used are the wrong type. If this can't be properly sourced to an official European proposed change, I think it should be removed as misleading.  --Brideshead 17:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I haven't been able to find any proposal for this flag, so I'm commenting it out, so the uploader has the opportunity to find a supporting basis for it. -- Arwel (talk) 20:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It was added by Wkobylinski, and when he added it the first time, he attributed it to one Wiktor Kobyliński (presumably himself). He has uploaded eight different images of it. --Zundark 08:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, I see. It's plainly Original Research, then, so away it goes. -- Arwel (talk) 08:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  There are similairities with the Crown of Immortality. Roberth Edberg 15:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 27 member proposal

message: Living between Ireland and Britain 1972-1975 there was definitely a 15 star flag in use in those countries (to also represent the 3 additional countries Ireland, UK, Denmark):
whether unofficially, to placate the countries' populations in terms of recognizing them in the flag everyone assumed had 1 star per country, or not. 
I find no mention of this in the Wiki entry, which surprises me. 
Perhaps if an official Wiki editor can get corroboration of what I said, this can be included in the Wiki itself.
Peter Dougal, Dublin, Ireland
:I don't remember a 15-star flag - anyway, between 1973 and 1981 there were only nine members in the EEC anyway. -- Arwel (talk) 19:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of stars on the EEC - EU flag

message: The flag in the "Number of stars" section is upside down despite the section below warning people about showing it the wrong way. This needs to be addressed. 207.203.80.14 00:22, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flag is upside down, isn't it?

message: The diagram for the flag specification is not quite complete - it doesn't list the colour numbers (eg Pantone ) of the blue and gold. --Ozhiker 14:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag specification not complete 

message: I think this article should be moved to Flag of Europe, since most flag articles begin with "Flag of". A•N•N•A hi! 20:54, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: After the next summitt of Bruxells, Angela Merkel, who is chairing the EU talks, said the new treaty that will replace a draft constitution rejected by French and Dutch voters in 2005, would not include state-like symbols to avoid public fears of a European super state.
So the flag will desappear
--Alessandro.pasi 19:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the flag will desappear 

message: The link stating that Arsène Heitz is the designer of the flag is restricted: "This article is premium content. In order to gain access to it please either Log in, Activate your complimentary web account if you are a print subscriber, or Subscribe now". I suggest an alternate page, like this (the first result in a google search for "Arsène Heitz" in english — maybe other results are more appropriate). I know it's less reliable, but at least it can be read! Waldir 19:15, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  change reference link | [[User:Omegatron#Regular expressions|Regex dash fixer]] 

message: Is anyone able to provide a free version of the proposed barcode flag? Also, of an unofficial civil ensign? Also, anyone have more data on the latter beyond the link I just put up? - J Logan t: 16:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: I'd like to see this get to GA status, aside from the title needing to be sorted, does anyone see problems in this article? - J Logan t: 15:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review

message: Information on the first EU flag flow in space - on the ISS - but where on earth - or space - to put it in the article?
* "This European Union flag was flown on board the ISS during ESA astronaut Andre Kuipers' Delta Soyuz mission, April 2004." (last image)
- J Logan t: 16:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag in space 

message: Kazakhstan is not in Europe  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.9.11.194 (talk) 23:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, part of Kazakhstan is in Europe, although you are correct in that much of it is not… see Kazakhstan. ~XarBioGeek (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:   Kazakhstan 

message: I think we should stick with the long form in the infobox as we can afford a longer and more formal designation there. In the lead of course, the first instance should reflect the name of the article and the words right after make it all clear anyway. It is a bit odd to say "the flag of xyz is the flag of xyz". If you don't agree with me on the infobox then revert.- J Logan t: 09:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If Hitler had a famous dog he called "The Ruler of the Milky Way", and it had its own Wikipedia article, we wouldn't put "Dog of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun" on top of the infobox - we would have written "The Ruler of the Milky Way". I think the point we have perhaps missed in our debate is that the name of the flag is European Flag/Flag of Europe. We don't use this title because because the CoE can claim to be Europe (though it consist of nearly all states) - but because both the EU and the CoE actually call it the European Flag/Flag of Europe. I'm just saying "Flag of Europe" is formal. But I won't die if the infobox doesn't have that name on top. I understand. - SSJ ☎ 09:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Point taken, though flag of the European Union is also use, of course that excludes Council of Europe and I've never seen it written as "flag of the Council of Europe". You have a point though, I'll put it back unless a consensus against it pops up.- J Logan t: 10:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. - SSJ ☎ 11:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of name in article

message: Anyone know anything about the flag of the Central Commission for Navigation on the Rhine? I remember seeing it in Strasbourg  years ago and noting it being similar to the EU flag. Now of course the blue is for water and stars are common, and of course the CCNR is very old so it is not a derivative flag (unless someone knows if this flag was only created post-ww2?) but it could have helped the inspiration? After all, the designer possibly took inspiration from a window in the cathedral of Strasbourg, he probably saw this flag flying too and it was the closest thing to Europe in those old days. FOTW only has info on its design, and I have seen no other data on it. If anyone knows more, it would be welcome.- J Logan t: 17:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an SVG version. The Book of Revelation has been confirmed as the source of inspiration, but yes the similarity between the ccr flag and the European flag is very striking. I didn't know circles of yellow stars on a blue field were so common. - SSJ ☎ 09:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the image SSJ. It could still have had an impact of course, they are oddly common though. Wish I could find some real data on this, it would be nice to have a bit more on the WEU flag too.- J Logan t: 13:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. Yes, we need more info. Perhaps one should search the web in french and Dutch etc., and then use google translate if something is found. - SSJ ☎ 18:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: CCNR

message: European NAvigator has lots of background information and images from the European flag's inception. See here. We should really use this. - SSJ ☎ 15:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried shifting through that a while back for useful info, don't really have the time to do it now. It would need a lot of work to go through and link up all their raw data. I'll might be able to get through it later but no time soon. Anyone else up for the hunt?- J Logan t: 09:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More information

message: Anyone think these are worth mentioning:   . The latter is probably not that notable, the first though is a maybe considering it is the only official naval jack - in fact the only flag other than the main one to be officially approved for anything.- J Logan t: 13:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's an SVG version. Yes I guess mentioning the fishing pennant is a good idea, since it's official. Placing it in the infobox is the obvious choice, but is this flag used in practice? I've never seen it or heard about it before. - SSJ ☎ 14:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... has your boat been inspected whilst fishing in the North Sea? How many people have? I don't suppose it gets on tv much either. Seen the Norwegian version (I'm sure there would be one flown by investigation teams)? I'll include it further down the article for now, if we hear anything beyond FOTW then we might move it up. How's that sound. One thing that might be good though, along the lines of using the ena.lu data you mentioned, is a 15 star flag. If you look through the files they actually made it and displayed it at a press conference. Think it is worth putting an image in the article, or might it be a bit redundant?- J Logan t: 22:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What you've done is perfect for now. I'll upload a couple of fair-use images from ena.lu sooner or later I think. - SSJ ☎ 23:40, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, we could do with the Delors picture back (the one where they raise the flag in the 1980s) though with full fair use on it. We should figure out where we need it first though as we have a habit of uploading fair use for one article then it spreads to 50 and gets deleted. This page, the history page (not the main one, the one covering the 1980s) and the Delors Commission page?- J Logan t: 09:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  worth mentioning? 

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message: Talk about coincidences: this congregation venerates a statue of Mary crowned with twelve stars, and has a council of twelve members. It is situated in Strasbourg, the very seat of the CoE's seat. And the CoE gave Strasbour Cathedral, in 1956, a stained glass window showing the Virgin in the very position she also has on that congregation's banner! Now, what about thinking that someone in the CoE was a member of, or close to, that congregation?--RCS (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Quite possible as, even if the delegates weren't, the council would have drawn a lot of local staff and the flag designer was a Strasbourger. So you have someone wanting to sneak religious symbolism past the Turks and Socialists, local Strasbourger worker at the Council has this image in their mind from being in the Cathedral (for whatever reason) and thinks it makes a good image, proposes it (maybe even just because they think it looks good). It is accepted for whatever reasons the Council has,m be it religious or stylistic.- J.Logan`t: 15:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congrégation mariale des hommes 

message: Until recently, I thought that the blue flag with the twelve "golden" stars was the flag of the EU. Wrong! Recently I visited the state of Andorra, and both at its Spanish and its French border it shows big blue signs with the 12 stars. But then I found out that VAT is not always added to the amount indicated on bills (which is a EU-wide regulation.. And after I came home, I noted that I had to pay an extra fee for my ATM withdrawals, even if they were in Euro's. When I complained, the bank said that Andora is not part of the EU/EFTA "Eurozone", even if euro's are the only means of payment in the country (before the Euro, Andorra used both Franch francs and Spanish pesetas).
Finally, EU people explained to me that the flag is the flag of the Concil of Europe countries (COE). As you all know, that includes almost all European countries, including Russia (but except Belarus - which is not applying human rights)
The article says that the flag represents both the EU and the COE. That is misleading.
Rbakels (talk) 12:23, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't the EU flag. It's the EEC and CoE flag. The Treaty of Lisbon omitted articles about a flag that were in the EU constitution that was turned down. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 00:44, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not the flag of the EU! 

message: The woman in Revelation 12 is never referred to as the "Queen of Heaven".  The only place in the Bible that phrase appears is in the book of Jeremiah, in reference to a pagan goddess.  Could someone correct that?
71.241.83.232 (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The article Queen of Heaven#Biblical Basis might not accept "never".--Rumping (talk) 22:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "Queen of Heaven"?

message: In a continuation of the above section #CCNR, I would like to point out a historical United States flag I just stumbled upon:
US_flag_13_stars_–_Betsy_Ross.svg, and a photo of historical US flags including this one: US_historical_flags-United_States_of_America.jpg.
Admittedly, the stars are white and not yellow/golden, but aside from that minor point, the design recalls the European flag even more than the CCNR flag mentioned above: Almost exactly the same number of stars (an alternative design, :Image:Cowpens Flag.svg, features twelve stars surrounding an additional star in the centre), same arrangement, and a dark blue background. In addition, one of the designs for the first flag of the newly independent Thirteen Colonies (note that there are four designs pictured in Flag of the United States#Historical progression of designs: the 13 stars in a circle design, the 12+1 stars, a half circle, and only one out of four that is similar to the current design and does not include a circle arrangement) is an obvious (and inherently rather much more likely) inspiration for the designer of a flag for the Council of Europe (also keep in mind that at the time, the United States were actually rather similar to Europe then and now in that the population identified with the member states more than with the union; the turning point was the Civil War, only after which a true US identity could develop). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical United States flag 

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message: The flag of Cape Verde, a former Portuguese colony, clearly seems to have been inspired by the European flag, with the similiarity even being mentioned on the flag's article. See the image of the flag on the right for comparison. 
Is it worth noting this in the "Derivative designs" section of the article?? It's certainly more similar to the European flag than the Bosnian flag is (the arrangement of the stars is more similar). And Cape Verde does have European connections as it was a former colony - this could part of the symbolism? 
Thanks. Peter  (talk) 22:33, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Cape Verde - similarity? 

message: Could some user please correct the year of adoption of the flag by the EEC... Is it 1984 or 85? Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 00:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: 13 September 2012 

message: It turns out that this "Marian" (or "Revelations") thing goes back to 1987, when Arsène Heitz, who was in fact one of the designers submitting proposals, began to boast about how he snuck Marian veneration into the European Council.
Now, it seems to be a fact that Heitz made these claims, and that they were discussed in journalism during the late 1980s and the 1990s, but it also seems to have been established (by Gialdino 2005) that Heitz' claims are spurious. 
In fact it seems that his design had 15 stars that were not even in a circle. 
Ok, so this guy became a religious zealot late in life and boasted to priests about this. That would solve the "Heitz" part.
What I find far stranger is the "Lévy" side of this. Apparently, nobody suggested any religious connotation prior to 1987, but after Heitz came up with this, Lévy was asked to give interviews, where (in 1989) he denied that he was aware of any such connection. Then, in 1998 (i.e. ten years later, and probably frustrated because the journalists clearly were never going to shut up about this now), he went further and claimed that Heitz had never even directly designed this, and that it was essentially his own design. 
Then, later in 1998, Die Welt publishes a heart-warming anecdote on how Lévy during the Holocaust vowed to convert to Catholicism if he survived, and later, when charged with designing the flag, was inspired as "one day he walked past a statue of Mary and was struck by the Virgin's crown of stars gleaming in the Sun before the background of the azure sky".
The thing is that this directly contradicts what Lévy himself had stated in interviews spanning the best part of a decade. So this article is a rather vicious attack on Lévy, basically calling him a liar, but it shows no awareness of this. Also, there isn't a trace of the details of this story before, so it seems whoever wrote for Die Welt here made this up out of thin air. Also note that  Die Welt known as a serious newspaper, not a tabloid rag.
Apparently, this has now revived the "Marian" story, this time pushing the idea on Lévy (who did not want this) instead of Heitz (who actively sought credit for it). --dab (𒁳) 14:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Marian interpretation

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message: I have worked on this page before, but mostly limited to the "Marian interpretations" item. 
It has now come to my attention, that most of the content of the page is based on extremely poor references.
Half of them seem to be archive.org copies of random web pages.
As a result, the contents are less than reliable, and I suspect have been allowed to drift according to the whims of passers-by.
I am especially concerned about the "wider usage" topic, i.e. use outside of the EU and the CoE.
Use in "sporting events" was supplied as an example of the ever wider and more general adoption of the flag, but it turns out that use of the flag at the Ryder Cup was a concerted, ideology-driven effort seen as so jarring by participants that the incident now figures in literature on sports and nationalism. Apart from the Ryder Cup, we just have the request by  Romano Prodi that athletes at the 2004 Olympics please use the flag (without any reports as to whether the request was honoured), which is an interesting move in its own right, but clearly part of EU activism in propagating the flag 
rather than de facto "usage in sports".
The remaining part of "wider usage" appears to concern "colour revolutions", i.e. usage by pro-EU protesters in Eastern Europe during c. 2004–2014. It does not make sense to lump this together with "usage in sports", as it is the exact opposite in flavour: increased usage in sports would indicate a decrease in political ideology attached to the flag, while use by pro-EU protesters would indicate the opposite. 
Both trends may well exist in parallel in different spheres, but at this point we have evidence for one but not for the other.
--dab (𒁳) 11:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Now placed under "history", as I think it has become clear that these entries reflect a coherent trend in Eastern European "pro-Europeanism" during the past decade, and they are best arranged chronologically. --dab (𒁳) 14:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: Is it possible that the design has masonic meaning, like the US flag? 12 stars, each representing a zodiac, and the field being blue because this is the color of Aquarius, the age we are either in or are going to enter into? This would fit the masonic "new world order" narrative. 78.71.209.195 (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masonic Symbolism 

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message: The article states that the flag was adopted on 8 December 1955 by the Council of Europe. But according to both the website of the Council of Europe and the adopted resolution, the date was 9 December, not 8 December. --Glentamara (talk) 18:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that back when the article was written, these links did not yet exist. That, or somebody sneakily vandalized the article and no one really noticed; these kinds of things happen. --Edelseider (talk) 18:49, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

text: On the other hand, this valid source does say 8 December 1955. It's from the Council of Europe, too: . --Edelseider (talk) 18:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed the material from CVCE, but I wonder if it is really reliable. It's not an original document, so it might have been edited by CVCE. The original document clearly says "9 December", and also the website of the Council of Europe, which should be reliable. --Glentamara (talk) 20:41, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would say that the CVCE is reliable, at least per self-description: https://www.cvce.eu/en. But you can go ahead and replace "8" by "9", it can't be wrong! --Edelseider (talk) 20:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I don't question that CVCE is a reliable source in general. But they might have made an error by mistake when they edited the text. That's why I think a copy of the original resolution is more reliable. Thanks, I will go ahead and edit the article. --Glentamara (talk) 20:52, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong date? 

message: The "Construction sheet" image on the page (as seen today 14/May/2023) is ambiguous:
Centre to star centre indicated as "2/3".
Diameter of each start indicated as "2/9".
This is correct in that the fly/width and hoist/height are 3 and 2 respectively in that "sheet", but is ambiguous because the text e.g. mentions "1/9" for the diameter of the stars but the image shows "2/9". Phylasnier (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous "Construction sheet" 

message: I checked some other flag articles and they generally don't include a section showing incorrect versions of flags. I was wondering why exactly this article needs such a section? It doesn't seem very fitting, given the type of content Wikipedia articles typically contain anyway, and as long as the article uses the correct version of the flag, I'm not sure why there needs to be a section showcasing incorrect variants. Alex the weeb (talk) 20:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the incorrect versions section necessary/appropriate?