Talk:Saikano

message: This anime strongly reminds me of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Unknown enemy attacking Japan protected by an ultimate weapon. Lots of nervous breakdown for main characters. An apocalypse in the end with only the main characters surviving. Maybe these similarities should be mentioned in the article... --CannibalSmith 19:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It led me to think something: that's a reccuring theme in pretty much every apocaliptic anime (ranging from the early 80's Ideon to more recent productions)... If others anime with that situation (that the main characters are the last ones on the planet), do have such statements then it deserves that a small comment. If not, maybe just a note for an 'fatalist' ending. PhilR 15:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Evangelion

message: I found this on a website:
Originally on A&E (25 min.) 
Status: Ended
Premiered: July 2, 2002
Last Aired: September 24, 2002
sorry for of topic stuff but IS THIS TRUE??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saikano (talk • contribs) 17:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's true. Saikano first premiered on July 2, 2002 and ended its original run on September 24, 2002. Burnt Flower 20:41, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry!--Lolicon(Down With Child Porn)Saikano 17:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would have been useful to post what website you found it on so we could see if it were notable... Tyciol (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not a soapbox, nor a discussion forum. Please do such things in appropriate places, not discussions for encyclopedic content. --TcDohl 16:28, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cannot believe this! A&E has had anime & now I am learning this? Please tell me you we lying, or talking about another A&E!--Lolicon(Down With Child Porn)Saikano 17:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Airing information is relevant to articles since it can be listed in the broadcast data box. Tyciol (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: On American TV?

message: I have confirmed by the evidence i saw in saikano & japans past that the enemy that japan is fighting is the USA! i dont like that but its true, heres why:
*chise's fire, where she wipes out citys is the Atomic Bomb we droped on 2 of there cities in WWII! 
*the olny english speaking people japan has had ANY conflict with is what, thats right the USA!( that im aware of)
*"i forgot the 3rd one dont wory ill fix it"
Now does that mean the creater hate the USA? No, its just an anime.
All that alone is proof enought to say that, so with all that said and done I can now say saikano's war is japan vs the USA!--Lolicon3043910 18:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you're fucking insane and over-emphasizing the minor details instead of the meat of the story.  There are plenty of differences between the manga, anime, and live-action movie with regards to WHO the opposing forces are.  You've obviously not read the manga nor watched the live-action movie which is why you're commenting that the Opposing Force is an American coalition.  If Saikano had only been limited to just the anime series then I would have considered the implications of the Opposing Force more seriously.  But since the manga and the anime both stressed the fact that none of the main characters knew who the enemy was nor why Japan was being invaded means that it didn't matter who the Opposing Force is.  (Psychoneko 20:18, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well smart ass From the work Ive studyed and puzzled togeather the evidence points to American Forces! The USA is the only english group the great place of Japan had faced in reason history! I am refiring to the ANIME, NOT THE MANGA AND THE LAM!!! I have seen the OVA which also points to the same thing! I am a SUPER fan of saikano and i do research and study the Anime before I start jumping to con...Soon i will put the evidence on the main page! so unless you have proff that my proff is s***y then I would stick to editing the articals instead of bitching because the Anime is fighting America!!! OK?! =^_^=--Lolichan4u 16:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Japan also fought the British Empire, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. All of them speak English. 71.187.14.89 22:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were also fighting Germany. I believe that was German at 00:01:27 on the 1st OVA ZinnKid 19:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should take it to mean that the author hates the USA.  After all, the anime was produced BEFORE Americans went apeshit insane and declared war on terrorism, evil, and bad breath.  The impression I get from watching the anime and OVA is that the world is basically in a state of free-for-all, with everyone pretty much fighting everyone.  Japan is effectively the only nation that can repel the onslaught thanks to Chise. 76.10.139.182 (talk) 21:14, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: WWIII confirmed enemy

message: In the anime saikano: If my definition of the word Holocaust is right (mass death), then saikano has a Holocaust! Right? --Lolichan4u 17:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the entire world dies.  I guess that could be termed a holocaust. 76.10.139.182 (talk) 21:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Holocaust?

message: I wanted to add a little more regarding the location of the series, but was afraid it may be considered Original Research.  I travelled to Otaru several years ago to explore the area that was used for the series.  Using screenshots from the series, I managed to travel up "Hell's Hill", as well as reach the Asahi Observation Hill we we find Shuuji in the beginning.  There is a school that is located up "Hell's Hill", and the road to the Asahi Observation Hill is across the street from it.  This school is Otaru Shougyou (i.e. Otaru Commerical High School).  Assuming the creators were truly faithful to geography and the like, I am fairly confident that this is the HS that Chise and Shuuji would be attending.
Therefore, I would like to add this to the page, but wanted confirmation that I could without other people thinking this could be considered Original Research. --(KaminaAyato 16:39, 12 June 2007 (PDT))
:Well, please go ahead. Myself, I took a guess at Otaru, from the general size, location (between mountains and sea) and shopping distance from Sapporo. The Japanese talk show on DVD disc 2 shows (live) footage from the area (including Hell’s Hill), so it can be well documented/referenced from there.--Paracel63 (talk) 16:02, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm moving this out of the article because it's OR - if anyone can find reliable citations about any of this it can go back in no problems. -Malkinann 06:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Location

message: 
Both the manga and the anime feature a hotly-contested war. Battles are shown through the lives of people on the front, but the diplomatic particulars of the war are not revealed to the audience. A reason is never given as to why the war broke out in the first place, what the war is all about, or what countries the Japan Self-Defense Forces and Chise are fighting against. However, there is speculation about possible foes. For example, in one episode an enemy plane is shot down near the city and the pilot's one or two lines are in near perfect American English. In the manga, Chise speaks to the enemy soldiers, saying that she does not know much English, and later in the series there are certain enemy soldiers that speak French. The OVAs also portray some of the soldiers speaking French. This would suggest that there is an international coalition invading Japan.
However, in the end of both the anime and the manga, Chise remarks that many other parts of the world had experienced "horrendous things", and that "humans have done a lot of damage to this world". This may imply that the invasion was due to the lack of livable land anywhere else other than Japan, which was protected by Chise. This in turn would cause other countries to seek places where people are able to live. On the other hand, Chise could have been referring to her own creation and her part in destroying much of the world.
The only weapons of mass destruction observed in both the anime and manga was Chise herself, who by the middle of the story had the power to destroy entire cities and did so on a fairly regular basis. In more than one battle over a Japanese city, Chise simply vaporized the city and most of the people in it. Coupled with the comments about how the enemy had nowhere to return to and how Chise has been "working" all over the world, it seems unlikely that the invasion by other nations is simply over territory.
:I'm moving this out of the article because it's OR - if anyone can find reliable citations about any of this it can go back in no problems. -Malkinann 06:23, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: War

message: I heard news of a Saikano video game with scenes not shown in the anime! It contains action+adventure! I will have an article on it when it is released!--Saikano II 15:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know anything about a mini Saikano series called Saikano: Another World ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.51.153.204 (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The game

message: I can't get over the way anime fans edit these articles. I can appreciate enthusiasm for a story and wanting to make a detailed article about it, but we do not need complete plot summaries and certainly not descriptions of any characters' death! Look at this: "Akemi gets fatally injured (due to massive internal bleeding) during an earthquake that hits their little town, and with her dying breath, she tells Shuji her real feelings." It's shameful. Read Jyu Oh Sei for an example of how things should be written. There are no ending details, there are no active attempts to ruin the story for others. People come here looking for an encyclopedia article, not a list of spoilers.
I'll fix this article at some point in the future if nobody else is up to it. Can't you guys show some self-restraint and not post this kind of thing in the first place? Over the last couple of years I've rewritten about a dozen anime articles here, it seems like the entire genre has got a glut of people who like ruining stories for others. 76.10.139.182 (talk) 22:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With Saikano this is impossible. Read the first chapter and tell me how you could begin an article without spoiling anything. I was absolutely astonished when I found out SPOILER: that Saikano is not a shoujo manga. END OF SPOILER: The only way is to put a huge warning on the top of the site that people should not read anything about Saikano before reading Saikano, and also not watch anything of the anime before finishing the Manga.92.227.190.215 (talk) 22:52, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, with an article of this nature it's just about impossible to do any sort of decent writeup and not include spoilers. The only way to not get spoiled is to do like I've done for the last several months and not read anything about the story in any source. I agree with the OP in this section, the article is very badly written and is in dire need of sourcing, removal of OR and speculative material, and de-weaseling.  Also, the character images need to be culled to comply with the stricter non-free image use rules.  If/when I get time, I'll help out with the edits. Willbyr (talk | contribs) 00:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's possible to avoid spoilers by giving basic descriptions of characters and introductions to the plot, spoilers are only necessary when relevant for the importance of the anime or comparing it to others and stuff. I don't even like spoilers on the talk page, to be honest, because I haven't even seen it yet. Luckily when you don't know who anyone is, they don't really get memorized. Tyciol (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Completely unnececary and undesireable details

message: You have to understand that for an article regarding a show, the only reference/citation that can be included is...get this...the show itself.
I do not see people spamming, for example, the transformer movie articles with "Where is the reference for Optimus Prime fighting Megatron?" and "Where is the reference that the Allspark was in the movie?". It seems someone hates this series a lot to spam all the "This article isnt good enough!!!" tags on it(but doesnt want to contribute). Seriously, you want references for..."The series features a hotly contested war"? You might as well ask for references for "Frodo is a hobbit in Lord of the Rings". Its obvious!
Seriously, what do you want? Tagging every single paragraph and sentence with a [XX] -> "Saikano TV Series"? If you dont believe that event X or character Y is in the show, perhaps you could watch the show first and prove the information in the article is false first before insisting on citations and references.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.65.245.3 (talk) 21:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complaints regarding lack of references 

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Arsonal (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: in the context "Shuji’s first lover and Tetsu’s wife." under Fuyumi, lover links to the page Fordingbridge  If there's no rational explanation it should be changed.
Enumerate109 (talk) 11:37, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "lover" 

message: I've never seen this interpretation of the anime ending outside this article. Isn't the common interpretation that the "natural disaster" is Chise gone rampant, destroying the earth? She saves "Chise's Town" for last, because that's where Shuji is. 92.40.254.50 (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Anime Ending

message: I sorted the war section, removing all the unsubstantiated opinion.
I also edited the character info, removing the spoilers.  There is no need, for example, to explain how Akemi dies, to give a decent outline of her character.  nagoyablue (talk) 06:04, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaned up.