Talk:Cartoon Wars Part I

message: Does anybody have a better pic for this episode that can be used? The current one is very pixalated, and a shot showing the entire Family Guy family would probably be a better pic for this show anyway. JQF 01:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Nuge | talk 02:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Better pic 

message: Kenny didn't have a significant role in this episode...
Kenny rarely has significant roles anymore.
*Not since Kenny Gets A PSP
Nimrod1234 20:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenny significant role? 

message: Is it just me, or when Cartman said, "How would you like it if there was a show that made fun of Jews all the time," did Kyle say "Um..." and point at the "camera"?  You know, as if to say that South Park is that show.  What do you think? --Evil Eccentric 04:08, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, he was pointing at Cartman.  It was sort of breaking the fourth wall, IMO, because it seems like he was saying "Cartman, you're a major character on a popular cartoon show, and you're constantly ripping on me for being a Jew". - Ugliness Man 00:07, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It does look like he's pointing at Cartman, as Kenny/Cartman are standing opposite Stan and Kyle.  He definitely has his hand by his side before he starts saying 'uh', and moves it upwards during that syllable.  Morwen - Talk 12:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jew Show 

message: I bet the writers are crab people. Crab people seem like a good canidate for the writers of family guy because well... just because.
Might be the Super Adventure Club
Nimrod1234 20:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If we're going for the "WTF" cliche plot twist, they might turn out to be a little-known Muslim sect.  By causing the episode to air, it gives "their people" an excuse to declare holy war on Western culture, and this might also explain why they were able to coerce the executives into allowing the episode to air.  I know the obvious objection to this theory is that it's allegedly against their religion to depict the prophet, but keep in mind that I'm suggesting it's a specific sect, or off-shoot, with their own version of the Muslim law.  Keep in mind that if you read the law supposedly forbidding depiction and take it literally, it only warns against idolatry, and not all Muslims believe that a drawing of him is inherently covered under that law, but it's a specific interpretation (much like some Christian religions don't allow blood transfusions because of a scripture passage that condemns "consumption" of blood).  Just a thought - Ugliness Man 00:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Just had another thought, since this is pure speculation... the crab people running joke is sort of ludicrous, and Matt and Trey have never really shied away from the ludicrous and obtuse when it serves the plot and their sense of humour... staying with that line of thought, it could very well be the actual Family Guy characters... or maybe The Simpsons.  Hell, it might even be cartoon depictions of Matt and Trey themselves.  I don't really have a possible explanation for that last one, but I'm sure they could come up with one. - Ugliness Man 00:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Turned out to be a bunch of fat sea creatures that write the show, for anyone that didn't read the shows synopsis JayKeaton 12:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation on Identity of the Writers 

message: :After watching the show, I get the impression that the show is a parallel of the 'Scientology Scuffle':
-After Kyle tells Cartman that he will join him in attempting to get the epside pulled, he says that he, "Got sound advice from an old friend". I speculate that friend is chef
-Cartman says that he's been "Doing the wrong things for a long time ... [and he] just want[s] to do something right ... just this one time." - Which parallels how Issac Hayes didn't have a problem with them making fun of other religions, but now he wants to do something about it.
Am I just grasping at straws or is this a valid point? - kirkio 04:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scientology/Issac Hayes Scuffle Parallels 

message: it really feels like the chase scene is a specific parody of an old movie, especially with the music and the zoom in of the handle bars and wheels as cartman and kyle take off for LA.  also you see cartman talking about how he has to go out and do whats right etc etc....has anyone figured out what movie or movies they are specifically referencing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.188.225.75 (talk • contribs) 
  It could be a parody of any vehicle chase scene in movies of on television.  When I saw it, it reminded
  me of the freeway chase scene from The Matrix Reloaded, especially the music they played during it and
  the police car tumbling into the median.  When Cartman sent Kyle off the road by dropping the Cheesy
  Poofs and Kyle's Big Wheel exploded after falling off the cliff seems to parody the typical hollywood
  style of having a vehicle explode upon impact whenever one falls from great height, though in reality this rarely happens. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.153.239.164 (talk • contribs) 
::I'm going to update the "Cultural references" section of the page to reflect the possibility that it may be a parody of The Matrix Reloaded. If anybody thinks of any other specific movies that this scene references, add them (don't add, "it looks like a generic action scene". That's not encyclopedic) Jhinman 21:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  what are the parodies in this episode ?

message: Does anyone else think the title is a double entendre? not only is it refering to the violent clash over the cartoons depicting muhammed, but also over the fact south park has essentially declared war on family guy. or was that really obvious?--154.20.161.143 19:44, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Entendre

message: The melodramatic scene with "Dylan" and "Sarah" where Dylan volunteers to have his head unburied has got to be a parody of something. Anyone know what of?
I think it was probably just a pun at how there are always these anonymous people in the crowds in South Park, but it's always the known characters who come forward and talk. The name choices may be random, however there is a song "Sarah Jane" by Bob Dylan - Orichalcon 11:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dylan and Sarah 

message: Here. --Fallout boy 15:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least dogs don't constantly date humans on south park. The same is not true of family guy.
Wikipedia isnt a forum, but since we are treating it like one, IMHO, family guy uses more 'shock' humor, while south park relies on thick parody.
Is it fair to judge South Park solely on the pilot episode? I mean, it isn't construction paper anymore for a long while now. - Redmess (talk) 20:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Seth MacFarlane's response

message: I think its funny that no one seemed to care when south park showed muhhamad in the super best friends episode.
:... you're right. They did show him. And there was no rioting.
:Probably has something to do with it not being on some Muslim's political agenda back then. - Redmess (talk) 20:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Super Best Friends?

message: "Seth MacFarlane actually spoke highly of this episode at his Harvard speech." Are you sure he wasn't just being sarcastic? It didn't seem that earnest to me. --206.53.68.186 21:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: MacFarlane

message: The Plot section could use a good re-write to clean up the English, remove convoluted sentances etc. etc. 207.69.137.7 18:50, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot needs a re-write

message: In my opinion that would be foolish, they may be 1 episode split into 2 parts but they are still two 30 minute episodes and were meant to be seperate.  Besides, due to all the controversy involved in the second episode with regards to censorship it would seem silly to merge the 2 parts as then it would be just one stupidly long episode article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.21.17.86 (talk) 23:48, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion to merge parts 1 and 2

message: I undid the merge by Painbearer because I think the articles should be sepearate. Any editors planning on merging Cartoon Wars Part I and Cartoon Wars Part II should discuss it here. --Pixelface 21:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about telling us WHY you think the articles should be seperate? The two articles are nothing but the plot and trivia/pop culture references. And the "Real-life censorship controversy" and "Critism and Phraise" sections in part 2 apply to BOTH articles. Merging is not a bad thing; it is for notability and readability purposes, which improves wikipedia and the articles themselves.--Swellman 23:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They're two separate episodes. The episodes are notable enough to have their own articles. Every other South Park episode has its own article. I can see how a merge may be good, it is a continuing storyline and one article might present the full story better. I just don't like the idea of editors merging articles then removing content. --Pixelface 08:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: There was no content removed. The same info was presented, just in a more organized manner. They're practically the same article anyway, the only difference being the plot summaries.--Swellman 01:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Re-merge, with extension to Go God Go - Swellman's right. Pixelface, you've basically shot yourself in the foot with the third sentence. Yes, for readibility's sake, merges are best. With my merge with GGG, I just cutpasted the plot from one into the other. Any content removal afterwards would probably have happened sooner or later anyway (see WP:WAF, which suggests ~10 words a minute). There also seems to be precedent with television episodes to merge identical-titled (with the exception of "Part/Episode X" subtitles) episodes/story arcs into one consolidated article, e.g. Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story, "Encounter at Farpoint", "Pilot" and "Exodus" (both Lost). I tend to find this a bit easier not only for the reader, but also for the editor - production information would most likely be found to apply to both episodes, not just the one. For example, my rewrite of Doomsday (Doctor Who) was harder than Invasion of the Bane. With the former, the primary (mainly used) source I used had production information for both Doomsday and its preceder, Army of Ghosts, so I had to pick the things relevant to that episode. With Invasion of the Bane, it was easier, as I didn't have to pick and mix. Will (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

text: *Re-merge. Having two separate articles is less readable, and presents no advantage. The unmerge appears to be WP:POINT, essentially an objection to not having separate articles for every episode. / edg ☺ ☭ 23:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: If you notice when they are all running into the center place you can notice the chicken f***** nude with his arms covering his parts. Should this be listed?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 345tom (talk • contribs) 22:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Old Episodes section? 

message: The link at the very bottom of the page, Seth MacFarlane's (Family Guy Creator) response to "Cartoon Wars", is broken. When you click on it, nothing happens at all. Opening it in a new tab also does not work. Does anyone know if the article has moved or been deleted, and if so, is there anything we can replace it with? PoddingtonGirl (talk) 20:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It linked to another website, not a Wiki article. I'm guessing the website took the page down - I've removed the link; thanks for pointing it out ≈ The Haunted Angel 21:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Link at the Bottom of the Page