Template talk:Village pump page header

message: ===Newsect2 template===
I've put it back to the version not using the new section template because of it was still going over the 5 template limit on some pages (it uses that template in the header of each page too).  May as well have all of them as the non-template version rather than half and half. violet/riga (t) 23:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old discussions 

message: I've put it back to the version not using the new section template because of it was still going over the 5 template limit on some pages (it uses that template in the header of each page too).  May as well have all of them as the non-template version rather than half and half. violet/riga (t) 23:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Newsect2 template

message: Village pump –	Village pump –
                    	
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Assistance (post)
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Miscellaneous (post)	
Main page
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-- SoothingR(pour) 22:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What about this new image, which has no background?

message: If you clicked on one of the archive links
on the  page you're redirected
to this page with the documentation & discussion
of the template. I've created a mainly pointless
 for this purpose. Omniplex  20:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that works now, I didn't know that :x results in :x, or that anybody uses this template on other projects. Because I don't "see" inline PNGs (unless I click on them) or CSS colours I can only hope that Locke Cole got this right. As far as I'm concerned the right column needs no colours, and I certainly won't start any  ;-) Omniplex  09:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  See Help:Variable for a list of MediaWiki variables. =) As for it's use on other projects/languages, it happens from time to time and little pre-emptive measures like this can make life easier on those copying/pasting it. =) (Of course it's doubtful they call their archive an "Archive", but it's one less thing to change). Agreed on the colors. —Locke Cole • t • c 10:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: Some issues: Apparently you tried to replace aling="center" and similar constructs by style="text-align: center". That's pointless, for modern browsers there's no difference, for old browsers it breaks the alignment. Very critical for left+right, old browsers take this as hint to start floating left+right. Just leave it as it is, and try your CSS magic on top of it: Modern browsers will ignore the legacy markup if there's better (real or wannabe) CSS. Old browsers never see the CSS.
I tried to repair it, but there were at least four critical (wrt backwards compatibility) changes. Please try it in smaller steps if possible. The  worked, but IMO it's kind of ugly. For anything you did only with CSS I can't judge it, just reinsert it if it was fine from your POV. Maybe say which problem you're trying to solve. Extremely long section titles in the ToC by chance? -- Omniplex 09:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Explanations for Gennaro 

message: align=right|   
which created:
 Ikip (talk) 21:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Added Tnavbar

message: The template links to Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Persistent proposals but since it's not been edited since early 2009 shouldn't the link be removed ? Cenarium (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to persisten proposals 

message: Yesterday changed the look of the VP's page headers template. As it was sandboxed & testpaged, the notes were there. So now I'll just copy & quote my notes from there, to save them fomr the tespage. (of course, talk should be here next time). -DePiep (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed look of the brown header 

message: * Talk central here Template talk:Village pump page header/sandbox please.
* Some links may lead to non-sandbox places, please be ware.
* Used principles:
:- See Help:Color for the colorschemes of the main page etc., there's a pattern
:- Colored tables start with a dark colored titlebar (header)
:- Sub-titles get the medium-dark color
:- Bordercolor of a block is the background color of the one-step-darker block
:- Similar text go together
* What is changed?
:- Title is now in top row: Village pump policy
:- Repositioned the link "(New) post" near similar links
:- Top row (header) has the darkest color
:- Sub-heading rows (navigation) have the medium-light color
:- border-color rule as read above (1 step darker)
:- The 4th row, where the title was (sic), is deleted.
* Wat is unchanged:
:- All options & links unchanged
:- All params / variables unchanged (no change needed at the calling VP-pages)
:- Texts unchanged (moved only)
:- Background colors: the same color number
-DePiep (talk) 17:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: I've recently noticed that the FAQ section is missing from WP:VPT. I've traced it to . , why do you believe that it is an "idle row"? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As beliefs go: by mistake. Restored. -DePiep (talk) 10:05, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  --Redrose64 (talk) 10:08, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing FAQ at VPT 

message: What is the removal of the nav links: First discussion, End of page and New post? "keyboards have a button called "End"" isn't a good solution for tablets. --  Gadget850 talk 22:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you handle a talkpage then? -DePiep (talk) 02:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't edit from mobile, but I do read. --  Gadget850 talk 13:55, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nav links 

message: Why does this template show text in different languages? GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:41, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This looks odd but is deliberate; you are seeing the output of the  template. This is placeholder text which is replaced by real text when the template is used at each of the village pump pages such as Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). -- John of Reading (talk) 06:29, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Languages 

message: I have just updated the sandbox and added links to the main VP page and also to the (All) page. Thoughts? — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 16:56, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Set the sandbox back to show the "up" and "all" menu. — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 14:44, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add links "up" and (All) 

message: Method is described here:
*Help:Table#Side by side tables.
Narrow your browser window to see the 2 search forms go from one line to two. On narrower screens they start off on 2 lines. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:38, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 search forms on one line. Will wrap to 2 lines on narrower screens 

message: I realize that this is just a personal irritation, but would anybody object to changing the background colors for this template so that they match the standard colors in Help:Using colours?  I don't really care which ones, just so long as it's not "unique".
In case it's helpful, here are the colors being used:
Compare those to something like this from the standard options:
If we wanted to do something really radical and lighten the whole scheme, we could switch to these (same colors, shifted one column):
or switch to blue (our predominant color):
What do you think? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a demo for suggested combinations: Template:Village pump page header/testcases#Demo 2023-08. It uses new parameters added to the sandbox. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for making that, @Andrybak.  I added a "blue but lighten" option.  In the beige-ish category, I think the existing (custom) cream and the standard cream colors are nearly indistinguishable, and therefore we could switch to the standard color without anyone noticing or caring.  For overall effect, I think I slightly prefer the lighter two options, but I'm not sure that the borders on them are dark enough (especially around the tabs).  What do you think? WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:45, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The variant "from the standard options" looks a bit like , but  actually uses  as background (defined in Module:Message box/tmbox.css). And #f8eaba isn't in the table Help:Using colours. —⁠andrybak (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk page templates use "coffee roll", selected in a discussion almost 20 years ago (=when MonoBook was the new skin).  I'd also be happy to change that (aiming for slightly lighter color/higher contrast, because it feels dark when there's a lot of banners at the top of a talk page, and higher contrast improves accessibility).  However, that would affect a h-u-g-e number of pages, and I think it would need a lot more planning.  They tell us Wikipedia:Don't worry about performance, but when a change affects more than two million pages, we really wouldn't want the usual "Aaaagggghhhh, they changed it!  Change it back right now!" response.  If we get a backlash on this one, it's sort of unfortunate, but it only affects 23 pages.  The effect on the servers would be basically unnoticeable. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:39, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I think changing to the row of colors starting with #FFFBE6 is reasonable, since they are nearly identical to the old colors and would be uncontroversial. Any other color changes besides that should probably be done in a follow up. Low hanging fruit first, imo. –Novem Linguae (talk) 03:51, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Moxy, I remember you knowing something about W3C contrast ratios.  Do you have any concerns about this? WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: looks good Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Colors Moxy- 12:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I support the triple #FFFBE6 #F2ECCE #BFBAA3 "from the standard options" as well. These colors look more consistent between each other than the current live colors. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:41, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Since nobody here seems to object, I've made this change.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:34, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Someone noticed!  We had a noticeable impact on the world!  Well, okay, on one person.  But still.  ;-) WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:04, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Standard color scheme 

message: This doubles the height of the header at high browser zooms. Is everyone ok with this? I'm a little against it, but not enough to revert unilaterally. Thanks. –Novem Linguae (talk) 08:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it again for now. The table is an accessibility problem, the page became impossible on mobile again and the search fields didn't clear the image. If people really want it back, I'll see if I can add it in a better way tonight or on Sunday. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent image addition