Talk:Malta exiles

message: By no means an expert, but seems a glaring omission to have left out the fact that some of the "exiles" were imprisoned at Malta in conjunction with the Armenian Genocide. Also, there is little detail here regarding said suspects' subsequent release by British Authorities. Would like to know more. Makes me question the objectivity of such a sensitive topic. Anyone out there an authority on the subject -- someone who might be able to respectably contribute?Austincconsidine 05:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They were held as much because of crimes committed against British soldiers as crimes committed against Armenians. Nor were they in a real sense prisoners. They were allowed to move relatively freely about, and on Sept 6th 1921 sixteen of them actually escaped from the island because they were so loosly guarded, others had escaped prior to that. The last of the prisoners were released in exchange for British citizens held captive by Kemalist forces. Much of the problem with this entry is that its content is derived from nationalistic Turkish sources. Dadrian covers these events in reasonable detail in chapter 17 of his "The History of the Armenian Genocide". Meowy 23:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  So the Armenian Dadrian must be a reliable source? I've also read a lot of his unscientific attitude in this matter.Chonanh (talk) 04:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: Main reason of the roundups.
Legend                   	Legend	Legend
Turkish national movement	      	
Outpost                  	      	
Council of Kars          	      	
Ottoman Empire           	      	
The occupation of the people.
in absence
Military
Goverment
Civilian
1  	Name                              	Roundup Date                        	Roundup ID	Function in the Ottoman Empire                                                                  	Aftermath                                                                                              	
2  	Ali İhsan Sabis Pasha             	29 Mart 1919                        	26 67     	eski 6. Ordu komutanı                                                                           	Eylül 1921'de dönmüş (veya firar etmiş), Büyük Taarruz öncesine kadar Kurtuluş Savaşı'nda yer almıştır.	
3  	İbrahim Ahmet                     	29 Mart 1919                        	26 68     	Ali İhsan Pasha'nın emir onbaşısı, tutuklanan komutanından ayrılmamış, gönüllü sürgüne gitmiştir	                                                                                                       	
4  	Mustafa Kemal Pasha               	May 28 1919                         	          	Ordu Komutanı                                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
5  	Abdülgani Bey                     	May 28 1919                         	26 95     	Yarbay                                                                                          	                                                                                                       	
6  	Ahmet Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	27 24     	eski Sivas Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
7  	Ahmet Cevat Bey                   	May 28 1919                         	27 24     	albay, İstanbul mevki kumandanı                                                                 	                                                                                                       	
8  	Ahmet Haydar Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	27 08     	binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
9  	Ahmet Muammer Bey                 	May 28 1919                         	27 19     	eski Konya Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
10 	Ahmet Nesimi Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	27 19     	eski Hariciye Nazırı                                                                            	                                                                                                       	
11 	Ahmet Tevfik Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	26 80     	albay                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
12 	Ali Fethi Okyar                   	May 28 1919                         	26 80     	eski Dahiliye Nazırı, Sofya sefiri                                                              	                                                                                                       	
13 	Atıf Bey                          	May 28 1919                         	27 02     	Ankara mebusu                                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
14 	Celal Pasha                       	May 28 1919                         	26 76     	Albay                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
15 	Cemal Efendi                      	May 28 1919                         	26 94     	Yüzbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
16 	Faik Bey                          	May 28 1919                         	27 37     	eski Merzifon kaymakamı                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
17 	Fazıl Berki Tümtürk               	May 28 1919                         	26 98     	eski Çankırı mebusu                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
18 	Ferit Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	27 03     	Committee of Union and Progress katibi                                                          	                                                                                                       	
19 	Gani Bey                          	May 28 1919                         	27 23     	İttihatçı                                                                                       	                                                                                                       	
20 	Habip Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	26 85     	Bolu mebusu                                                                                     	                                                                                                       	
21 	Hacı Ahmet Pasha                  	May 28 1919                         	27 39     	Enver Pasha'nın babası                                                                          	                                                                                                       	
22 	Doktor Halil Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	26 99     	Yüzbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
23 	Hasan Fehmi Bey                   	May 28 1919                         	26 88     	Sinop mebusu                                                                                    	                                                                                                       	
24 	Ürgüplü Mustafa Hayri Efendi      	May 28 1919                         	27 34     	Seyhülislam                                                                                     	                                                                                                       	
25 	Hazım Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	26 78     	Binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
26 	Hilmi Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	27 89     	Kırklareli Mutasarrıfı                                                                          	                                                                                                       	
27 	Hoca Rıfat Efendi                 	May 28 1919                         	27 06     	Committee of Union and Progress temsilcisi                                                      	                                                                                                       	
28 	Hüseyin Cahit Yalçın              	May 28 1919                         	26 75     	İstanbul mebusu, Journalist                                                                     	                                                                                                       	
29 	Hüseyin Kadri Bey                 	May 28 1919                         	27 05     	Karesi mebusu                                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
30 	İbrahim Bedrettin Bey             	May 28 1919                         	27 01     	Diyarbakır Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
31 	İbrahim Hakkı Bey                 	May 28 1919                         	27 10     	binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
32 	İsmail Canbulat Bey               	May 28 1919                         	26 92     	eski Dahiliye Nazırı                                                                            	                                                                                                       	
33 	Kemal Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	Unknown   	Unknown                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
34 	Macit Bey                         	May 28 1919                         	27 04     	Divan-ı Muhasebat Memuru                                                                        	                                                                                                       	
35 	Mazlum Bey                        	May 28 1919                         	27 07     	Binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
36 	Mehmet Sabit Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	26 86     	eski Sivas Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
37 	Sabri Toprak                      	May 28 1919                         	27 29     	Saruhan Mebusu                                                                                  	Tarım Bakanı (1925-1927)                                                                               	
38 	Mehmet Tevfik Bey                 	May 28 1919                         	26 79     	Yarbay, Kaymakam                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
39 	Memduh Bey                        	May 28 1919                         	27 33     	eski Musul Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
40 	Mithat Sükrü Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	26 93     	Committee of Union and Progress Üyesi                                                           	                                                                                                       	
41 	Mustafa Asım bey                  	May 28 1919                         	27 11     	eski Of Mutasarrıfı                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
42 	Mümtaz Bey                        	May 28 1919                         	26 97     	Emekli Yarbay                                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
43 	Nevzat Bey                        	May 28 1919                         	26 96     	Yüzbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
44 	Ömer Bey                          	May 28 1919                         	26 81     	Binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
45 	Evrenoszade Rahmi Arslan          	May 28 1919                         	26 91     	eski İzmir Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
46 	Rıza Hamit Bey                    	May 28 1919                         	27 40     	Bursa Mebusu                                                                                    	                                                                                                       	
47 	Saip İbrahim Pirzade              	May 28 1919                         	27 35     	Sura-ı Devlet Reisi, Nazır                                                                      	                                                                                                       	
48 	Salah Cimcoz Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	27 28     	İstanbul Mebusu                                                                                 	                                                                                                       	
49 	Sami Bey                          	May 28 1919                         	27 09     	Albay                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
50 	Doktor Süleyman Numan Pasha       	May 28 1919                         	27 32     	Ordu Sıhhiye Müfettişi                                                                          	                                                                                                       	
51 	Süleyman Sudi Bey                 	May 28 1919                         	27 30     	Tokat Mebusu, Lazistan mebusu olarak da görünmektedir.                                          	                                                                                                       	
52 	Serafettin Efendi                 	May 28 1919                         	26 77     	Yüzbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
53 	Sükrü Kaya                        	May 28 1919                         	27 38     	Mülkiye Müfettişi                                                                               	                                                                                                       	
54 	Tahir Cevdet Bey                  	May 28 1919                         	26 90     	eski Ankara Governor                                                                            	                                                                                                       	
55 	Tevfik Hadi Bey                   	May 28 1919                         	26 82     	Siyasi Polis Müdürü                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
56 	Mehmet Ubeydullah Hatipoğlu       	May 28 1919                         	27 31     	İzmir Mebusu                                                                                    	                                                                                                       	
57 	Veli Necdet Bey                   	May 28 1919                         	26 87     	Dahiliye Nazırlığı Müstesharı                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
58 	Yusuf Ziya Bey                    	May 28 1919                         	26 84     	Emekli Binbaşı, Committee of Union and Progress Üyesi                                           	                                                                                                       	
59 	Zekeriya Zihni Bey                	May 28 1919                         	27 18     	eski Edirne Governor                                                                            	                                                                                                       	
60 	Aziz Cihangiroğlu                 	June 2 1919                         	          	Kars Surası üyesi, Adalet Bakanı                                                                	                                                                                                       	
61 	Alibeyzade Mehmet Bey             	June 2 1919                         	27 16     	Kars Surası Üyesi, Kars Sivil Governor                                                          	                                                                                                       	
62 	Hasan Han Cihangiroğlu            	June 2 1919                         	          	Kars Surası üyesi, Savunma Bakanı                                                               	                                                                                                       	
63 	İbrahim Cihangiroğlu              	June 2 1919                         	27 17     	Kars Surası üyesi, Sura Başkanı                                                                 	                                                                                                       	
64 	Mehmetoğlu Muhlis Bey             	June 2 1919                         	27 27     	Kars Surası Üyesi, PTT Genel Müdürü                                                             	                                                                                                       	
65 	Matroi Radjinski                  	June 2 1919                         	27 25     	Kars Surası Rus Üyesi                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
66 	Musa Salah Bey                    	June 2 1919                         	27 20     	Kars Surası Üyesi, Polis Müdürü                                                                 	                                                                                                       	
67 	Pavlo Camızev                     	June 2 1919                         	27 14     	Kars Surası Rum Üyesi                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
68 	Tauchitgin Memlejeff              	June 2 1919                         	27 22     	Kars Surası Üyesi, Emniyet Müdürü                                                               	                                                                                                       	
69 	Stefani Vafiades                  	June 2 1919                         	27 26     	Kars Surası Rum Üyesi, Sosyal Yardım Bakanı                                                     	                                                                                                       	
70 	Yusufoğlu Yusuf Bey               	June 2 1919                         	27 21     	Kars Surası Üyesi, Gıda Bakanı                                                                  	                                                                                                       	
71 	Abbas Halim Pasha                 	September 21 1919                   	27 54     	Prens, Eski Nafia Nazırı, Bursa Governor, Sadrazam Sait Halim Pasha’nın kardeşi.                	Malta'dan sonra İstanbul’a, sonra da Mısır’a gitti                                                     	
72 	Ahmet Ağaoğlu                     	September 21 1919                   	27 64     	Afyonkarahisar mebusu, Darülfünün hocası, yazar                                                 	                                                                                                       	
73 	Ali Münif Bey                     	September 21 1919                   	27 62     	eski Nafia Nazırı                                                                               	                                                                                                       	
74 	Hacı Adil Bey                     	September 21 1919                   	27 57     	mebus                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
75 	Halil Menteşe                     	September 21 1919                   	27 60     	Committee of Union and Progress üyesi                                                           	                                                                                                       	
76 	Hüseyin Tosun Bey                 	September 21 1919                   	27 65     	Milli Telgraf Ajansı sahibi ve müdürü                                                           	                                                                                                       	
77 	Kara Kemal Bey                    	September 21 1919                   	27 61     	eski İaşe Nazırı                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
78 	Mahmut Kamil Pasha                	September 21 1919                   	27 58     	eski 5. Ordu Komutanı                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
79 	Mithat Sükrü Bleda Bey            	September 21 1919                   	27 56     	eski Maarif Nazırı, Burdur Mebusu, Committee of Union and Progress Genel Sekreteri              	                                                                                                       	
80 	Said Halim Pasha                  	September 21 1919                   	27 55     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
81 	Ziya Gökalp                       	September 21 1919                   	27 59     	Ergani-Maden Mebusu, Darülfünün hocası                                                          	                                                                                                       	
82 	Mehmet Arif Bey                   	January 28 1920                     	          	Binbaşı                                                                                         	                                                                                                       	
83 	Nuri Bitlisi                      	January 28 1920                     	          	Çavuş                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
84 	Faik Kaltakkıran                  	March 22 1920                       	27 80     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
85 	Ahmet Sevket Bey                  	March 22 1920                       	27 80     	İstanbul Müstahkem Mevki Komutanı                                                               	                                                                                                       	
86 	Mehmet Cemal Mersinli Pasha       	March 22 1920                       	27 72     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
87 	Çürüksulu Mahmut Pasha            	March 22 1920                       	27 71     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
88 	Hasan Tahsin Uzer                 	March 22 1920                       	27 71     	eski Sam ve Erzurum Governor                                                                    	                                                                                                       	
89 	Hüseyin Rauf Orbay                	March 22 1920                       	27 76     	eski Bahriye Nazırı, Sivas mebusu                                                               	                                                                                                       	
90 	İsmail Cevat Çobanlı Pasha        	March 22 1920                       	27 73     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
91 	Mehmet Esat Işık Pasha            	March 22 1920                       	27 75     	Hekim                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
92 	Mehmet Seref Aykut Bey            	March 22 1920                       	27 79     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
93 	Mustafa Vasıf Karakol (Kara Vasıf)	March 22 1920                       	27 78     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
94 	Köstenceli Numan Usta             	March 22 1920                       	27 81     	Zeytinburnu Fabrikasında Ustabaşı                                                               	                                                                                                       	
95 	Ahmet Emin Yalman                 	27 Mart 1920                        	27 87     	Journalist                                                                                      	                                                                                                       	
96 	Ali Çetinkaya                     	27 Mart 1920                        	27 87     	eski Afyon mebusu                                                                               	                                                                                                       	
97 	Ali Sait Pasha                    	27 Mart 1920                        	27 82     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
98 	Ali Seyyit Bey                    	27 Mart 1920                        	27 94     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
99 	Celal Nuri İleri                  	27 Mart 1920                        	27 85     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
100	Ebüzziyazade Velit Pasha          	27 Mart 1920                        	27 83     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
101	Enis Avni (Aka Gündüz)            	27 Mart 1920                        	27 91     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
102	Hilmi Abdülkadir                  	27 Mart 1920                        	27 89     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
103	İslam Ali                         	27 Mart 1920                        	27 86     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
104	Mehmet Eczacıbaşı                 	27 Mart 1920                        	27 90     	Eczacı, Sakir Eczacıbaşı'nın babası                                                             	                                                                                                       	
105	Mehmet Muammer Bey                	27 Mart 1920                        	27 88     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
106	Rafet Pasha (?)                   	27 Mart 1920                        	27 92     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
107	Süleyman Nazif                    	27 Mart 1920                        	27 84     	eski Musul ve Bağdat Governor                                                                   	                                                                                                       	
108	Acenta Mustafa Kırzade            	20 Mayıs 1920                       	27 86     	Tacir                                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
109	Doktor Abdüsselami Pasha          	20 Mayıs 1920                       	          	Emekli general, eski Yemen komutanı                                                             	                                                                                                       	
110	Mehmet Kamil Bey                  	20 Mayıs 1920                       	          	Musullu Journalist                                                                              	                                                                                                       	
111	Hacı Ahmet Bey                    	31 Mayıs 1920                       	          	Sivas Committee of Union and Progress Delegesi                                                  	                                                                                                       	
112	Mustafa Reshat Bey                	31 Mayıs 1920                       	          	İstanbul Siyasi Polis Müdürü                                                                    	                                                                                                       	
113	Agah Bey                          	June 7 1920                         	27 86     	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
114	Basri Bey                         	June 7 1920                         	          	yarbay, Cevat Pasha'nın damadı                                                                  	                                                                                                       	
115	Mustafa Abdülhalik Renda          	June 7 1920                         	          	eski Bitlis Governor                                                                            	                                                                                                       	
116	Ali Cenani                        	June 13 1920                        	          	eski Halep ve Antep mebusu                                                                      	                                                                                                       	
117	Andavallı Mehmet Ağa              	June 13 1920                        	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
118	Murat Bey                         	June 13 1920                        	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
119	Süleyman Faik Pasha               	June 13 1920                        	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
120	Yakup Sevki Subası                	June 13 1920                        	          	eski 9. Ordu Komutanı                                                                           	                                                                                                       	
121	Ali Nazmi Bey                     	August 6 1920                       	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
122	Hoca İlyas Sami Muş               	August 19 1920                      	          	Muş mebusu                                                                                      	                                                                                                       	
123	Mehmet Atıf Bey                   	August 19 1920                      	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
124	Mehmet Nazım Bey                  	August 19 1920                      	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
125	Süleyman Necmi Bey                	August 19 1920                      	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
126	Sefer Bey                         	12 Eylül 1920                       	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
127	Burhanettin Hakkı Bey             	20 Eylül 1920                       	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
128	Mehmet Nuri Bey                   	20 Eylül 1920                       	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
129	Mehmet Rıfat Bey                  	20 Eylül 1920                       	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
130	Cemal Oğuz Bey                    	5 Ekim 1920                         	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
131	Mehmet Ali Bey                    	5 Ekim 1920                         	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
132	Ahmet Sükrü Bey                   	                                    	27 63     	eski Maarif Nazırı, mebusu                                                                      	                                                                                                       	
133	Cevat Bey                         	                                    	          	İstanbul mevki kumandanı                                                                        	                                                                                                       	
134	Eşref Sencer Kuşçubaşı            	                                    	          	Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa                                                                              	                                                                                                       	
135	İsmail Müştak Mayokan             	                                    	          	Yazar, Milletvekili                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
136	Kazım Bey                         	                                    	          	Albay, Enver Pasha’nın kayınbiraderi                                                            	                                                                                                       	
137	Mürsel Bakü                       	                                    	          	Tümgeneral, Milletvekili                                                                        	İzmir’e giren Süvari Komutanı.                                                                         	
138	Sabit Bey                         	                                    	          	eski Sivas Governor                                                                             	                                                                                                       	
139	Sükrü Bey                         	eski Maarif Nazırı                  	          	                                                                                                	                                                                                                       	
140	Galatalı Sevki Bey                	                                    	          	Miralay, Malta’ya sürgüne gönderilinceye kadar Outpost örgütünün başı                           	                                                                                                       	
141	Yunus Nadi Abalıoğlu              	Journalist, Yeni Gün gazetesi sahibi	          	valign="top" align="right" style="background:Pink" |                                            	                                                                                                       	
For Outpost, isn't it better to use the original Turkish term, Karakol? Such as Karakol Society...It's easily pronouncable internationally?  Cretanforever 18:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Prisoners

message: Should we have Effort to prosecute Ottoman war criminals merged into this article? I think we should because the topic is practically the same, and the info found in both articles are nearly identical. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Header 

message: I'll make an effort to re-create the page. In 2010, the page was mach larger, but had significant parts in Turkish which I now will adapt into English. I have created some articles for members if the Malta Exiles and I anyway though I'd create such an article until I found out a redirect already exists.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 22:03, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reactivate page 

message: I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia, just doing some research on the Malta Deportees/Exiles recently and I was wondering if there might by an issue with the main source used, that of Bilal N. Simsir's. The only reason I mention it is that the essay he writes on the matter seems to be a clear attempt to deny/minimise the existence of the Armenian Genocide, which might make it a poor source to use?
Sorry if I'm completely wrong lol PandaWiki8 (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing Issues