Talk:Hermano da Silva Ramos

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message: As it stands the article describes da Silva Ramos as the oldest living former Formula 1 driver. It appears to me this is incorrect; Paul Goldsmith (USA) (born 2 October 1925) is just over two months older; according to his article he competed 3 times between 1958 and 1960, with 1 podium finish, at the Indianapolis 500 when that race was part of the F1 World Championship. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 10:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Although the 1958-1960 Indianapolis races were part of the World Drivers' Championship (which was mostly comprised of Formula One races and today is known as the Formula One World Championship), they weren't actually Formula One races. So da Silva Ramos is technically the oldest living former Formula 1 driver. Goldsmith is the oldest living driver who drove in "the championship which was mostly comprised of Formula One races and is today known as the Formula One World Championship". (The "Formula One World Championship career" heading in Goldsmith's infobox is slightly misleading - at the time he competed, it was called the "World Drivers' Championship"; although all the races except the Indianapolis 500 were Formula One races). DH85868993 (talk) 10:43, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  I fully understand and accept what you're saying. I would note though that Goldmsith appears in List of Formula One drivers (along with about 20 other 'Indy-only' drivers), and List of Formula One constructors includes 'Indy-only' entrants as well. Both use 'raced at least once' as stated criteria for inclusion. A consistent approach would be to acknowledge Goldmsith as the oldest. In any case, describing da Silva Ramos as the oldest without at least a caveat about Goldsmith is also a little misleading. 217.155.59.206 (talk) 16:25, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed the wording to identify da Silva Ramos as the oldest living driver to have competed in a Formula One Grand Prix and added a note about Goldsmith being the oldest living driver to have competed in the (Formula One) World Championship. And a reference which supports both statements. Feel free to tweak the wording. DH85868993 (talk) 08:18, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks very much. I'm absolutely happy with the wording - I just added Goldsmith's birthdate.217.155.59.206 (talk) 09:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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