Talk:Seven rays

message: Blavatsky did NOT write about the seven rays - in the sense it is used in this article. I feel that reference should be removed, or explained more. 
kh7 14:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Blavatsky

message: Wouldn't this look so much clearer if it were in two tables, like the one here? That's the Alice A. Bailey table and then there'd be another for the Church Universal.
Also, does Alice Bailey define the master of the fourth ray as Serapis or Serapis Bey, because they are different, and in the current description it has Serapis yet links to Serapis Bey. Might be worth clarifying or sourcing. - Zeibura (Talk) 16:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list of rays 

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The report at the noticeboard was not posted by me.  I'm placing this comment here as a courtesy for the editors working on this article.  --Jack-A-Roe (talk) 06:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: All one can do with any religion, let alone those apart from the mainstream, is to faithfully report their beliefs taken from the literature of the believers of their religious belief system. In doing so, we are not assesing truth claims (such as the Mormons believing that God is a physical being on another planet), one simply reports on the beliefs held, with as much accuracy as possible - with reliable sources and references. 
There is no need at all to assess the truth claims of the 20th century new religions. If people were to delve into assessing the truth claims of religion, then an entry on Christianity may as well begin with assessing whether God exists. The best approach would seem to be an accurate rendition of any movement's beliefs, nature, history and activities (regardless of what a Wikipedia editor's own views are). Questioning the validity of religious beliefs isn't the role of an encyclopedia entry. Arion (talk) 13:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minority religious beliefs should not be treated as "fringe theories" 

message: The Seven Rays are more than only a Theosophy concept, they are in lots of religions.
So I changed around the page a lot tonight and it has lots of new references.
The short parts still need to be made longer and the Theosophy parts need to be organized and cleaned up but I think this is a good start.
I made a section for early western mystery traditions because I have some info to put there but I didn't have time to get to that.  --Linda (talk) 10:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that addresses my concerns about notability.  Fireplace (talk) 16:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Are there reliable sources saying that the "seven rays" referred to in early religions, catholicism, hinduism, and theosophy all refer to more-or-less the same concept, or at least are all related to one another?  I'm worried that there might be some original synthesis going on here.  Fireplace (talk) 02:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I saw your note earlier I did some research and found some sources. But now it's too late to write it up tonight.  I'll add them in the next few days when I'm not so sleepy.     --Linda (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those are added now. Good night! --Linda (talk) 10:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  new approach 

message: This section:
In the Gnosticism of the Mediterranean and middle eastern regions, from the 6th century BCE in Chaldea (a Hellenistic designation for a part of Babylonia), through the Mysteries of Mithras in Rome, to the 2nd or 3rd century CE, the Seven Rays are found in a variety of syncretistic elements of symbolism. The Chaldean Oracles have survived as fragmentary texts from the 2nd century AD, and may have been compilations from several sources, combining neo-Platonic elements with others that were Persian or Babylonian in origin. Later neo-Platonists, such as Proclus and Iamblichus, rated them highly.
Needs a different source.  Thedyinggod.com is a self-published source and (the page being used) is a deadlink (it may be viewed here).  I'd look for something (and will), but I'm chatting up a cute redhead right now (I'm sure there's some "Redheads > Wikipedia" guideline somewhere).  If noone else gets to it, I'll get to it at some point.  Ian.thomson (talk) 01:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it appears that attempting to gather a different source for this would be original research.  In fact, looking at the original source, it's kinda shoe-horned here, since it really isn't about "seven rays," but there's the occasional mention of "seven" being important in the Chaldean oracles and the above religions.  The self-published source does not mention much in the way of seven rays.  Reworking it. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New source needed 

message: The Theosophy section already suffers from a complete lack of third-party sourcing. The following material lacks any sourcing whatsoever. t can be returned to the article if (i) it is sourced & (ii) it does not too-much dilute the (currently non-existent) third-party material. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsource Theosophy material 

message: The seven rays are listed below:
Alice A. Bailey and the Church Universal and Triumphant assign different colors and in some cases different Masters to each of the seven rays. In Letters on Occult Meditation, Alice Bailey indicates that there is no simple correspondence between the rays and these colors. The colors, Masters, and Retreats indicated here are those indicated by both Alice Bailey and the Church Universal and Triumphant.
According to Alice A. Bailey and C.W. Leadbeater, the Masters live in immortal bodies at a residence on the physical plane at the indicated location (although a given Master may physically travel extensively incognito to various locations, become invisible, teleport to various locations, and walk through walls, as well as influence humans telepathically and travel on the inner planes, as required by the demands of his spiritual work).
According to the Church Universal and Triumphant, and other Ascended Master Activities, each Master is believed to serve at a Retreat on the physical or etheric plane at the geographical location shown after their name.
The "Gifts of the Holy Spirit" of the Church Universal and Triumphant for each ray are shown. For both Alice A. Bailey and the Church Universal and Triumphant, each ray has a jewel which is believed to focus the energy of that ray, which is indicated.
In a section below, the characteristic magic for each ray as listed by C.W. Leadbeater.
====Alice A. Bailey====
       	Ray                     	Colour	Cosmic Master	Residence                                              	Planet Rulers	Chakra/Gland                       	Jewel
1st ray	Will - Power            	Blue  	Morya        	Darjeeling, India                                      	Pluto/Vulcan 	Vishuddha (5th) Throat/Thryoid     	Diamond
2nd ray	Love-Wisdom             	Indigo	Koot Hoomi   	Shigatse, Tibet                                        	Sun/Jupiter  	Sahasrara (7th) Crown/Pineal       	Sapphire
3rd ray	Active Intelligence     	Green 	Venetian     	"Chateau de Liberte, S. France & Temple of the Sun, NY"	Earth/Saturn 	Anahata (4th) Heart/Thymus         	Emerald
4th ray	Harmony through conflict	Yellow	Serapis      	Luxor, Egypt                                           	Moon/Mercury 	Muladhara (1st)Base/Adrenals       	Jasper
5th ray	Concrete Science        	Orange	Hilarion     	Island of Crete, Greece                                	Venus        	Ajna (6th)Brow/Pituitary           	Topaz
6th ray	Love-Devotion           	Red   	Master Jesus 	Mount Lebanon, Lebanon                                 	Mars/Neptune 	Manipura (3rd)Solar Plexus/Pancreas	Ruby
7th ray	Ceremonial Order        	Violet	St. Germain  	Transylvania, Romania                                  	Uranus       	Swadisthana (2nd)Sacral/Gonads     	Amethyst
====Ascended Master Teachings====
       	Ray           	Colour	Ascended Master  	Retreat                  	Quality	Chakra                 	Day      	Gift of the Holy Spirit                    	Jewel
1st ray	Will of God   	Blue
White	El Morya         	Darjeeling, India        	Power
Good will
Faith	Throat (5th)           	Tuesday  	Faith in God's will
Word of Wisdom         	Diamond
Sapphire
Star Sapphire
Lapis Lazuli
2nd ray	Wisdom of God 	Yellow	Lanto            	Grand Teton, Wyoming, USA	Wisdom
Understanding	Crown (7th)            	Sunday   	Word of Wisdom
Word of Knowledge           	Yellow Diamond
Yellow Sapphire
Topaz
3rd ray	Love of God   	Pink
Rose	Paul the Venetian	Château de Liberté, S. France
Temple of the Sun, New York	Love
Creativity
Beauty	Heart (4th)            	Monday   	Discerning of spirits                      	Ruby
Diamond
Garnet
Rose quartz
Pink Beryl
4th ray	Purity of God 	White
Crystal	Serapis Bey      	Luxor, Egypt             	Purity
Discipline
Joy	Base of the Spine (1st)	Friday   	Working of miracles                        	Diamond
Pearl
Zircon
Quartz crystal
5th ray	Science of God	Green
Gold	Hilarion         	Crete, Greece            	Truth
Science
Vision	Third Eye (6th)        	Wednesday	Healing                                    	Emerald
Diamond
Jade
Quartz crystal
6th ray	Peace of God  	Purple
Metallic Gold
Ruby	Lady Nada        	Arabian Peninsula        	Peace
Service
Brotherhood	Solar Plexus (3rd)     	Thursday 	Diverse kinds of tongues and interpretation	Ruby
Topaz
Alexandrite
Diamond with pearl
7th ray	Freedom of God	Violet
Purple
Pink
Aqua / Teal	Saint Germain    	Transylvania, Romania
Table Mountain, Wyoming, USA	Freedom
Alchemy
Justice	Seat of the Soul (2nd) 	Saturday 	Prophecy
Working of Miracles               	Amethyst
Diamond
Aquamarine
====C.W. Leadbeater====
C.W. Leadbeater gave a list showing the characteristic type of magic for each ray. This list indicates what he regarded as the most compatible type of magic to be performed by persons on each ray (although anyone of any ray can do any of these various types of magic).Leadbetter, C.W. The Masters and the Path Adyar, Madras, India: 1925--The Theosophical Publishing House. Chart on P. 229 lists Characteristic Magic of each Ray.
* 1. FIRST RAY: Magic of Will of magician
* 2. SECOND RAY: Magic of Raja Yoga (Development of Mind)
* 3. THIRD RAY: Magic of Astrology (Natural Magnetic Forces).
* 4. FOURTH RAY: Magic of Hatha Yoga (physical development).
* 5. FIFTH RAY: Magic of Alchemy (Manipulation of Material Substances).
* 6. SIXTH RAY: Magic of Bhakti Yoga (Selfless Service and Altruistic Love [ agape ]).
* 7. SEVENTH RAY: Ceremonial magic (Invocation of Elementals, and Devas).
[End of removed material. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Qualities of the seven rays

message: C.W. Leadbeater gave a list showing the characteristic type of magic for each ray. This list indicates what he regarded as the most compatible type of magic to be performed by persons on each ray (although anyone of any ray can do any of these various types of magic).Leadbetter, C.W. The Masters and the Path Adyar, Madras, India: 1925--The Theosophical Publishing House. Chart on P. 229 lists Characteristic Magic of each Ray.
* 1. FIRST RAY: Magic of Will of magician
* 2. SECOND RAY: Magic of Raja Yoga (Development of Mind)
* 3. THIRD RAY: Magic of Astrology (Natural Magnetic Forces).
* 4. FOURTH RAY: Magic of Hatha Yoga (physical development).
* 5. FIFTH RAY: Magic of Alchemy (Manipulation of Material Substances).
* 6. SIXTH RAY: Magic of Bhakti Yoga (Selfless Service and Altruistic Love [ agape ]).
* 7. SEVENTH RAY: Ceremonial magic (Invocation of Elementals, and Devas).
[End of removed material. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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