Talk:Tuatha Dé Danann

message: According to a book read on the air by Dr. Gene Scott, the TV evangalist, the TDD are actually the Tribe of Dan - one of the lost tribes of Isreal.
For anyone to believe that the Tuatha De Danaan are the lost tribes of Dan of Israel are incorrect. Dan is short for the Irish Goddess Danu(Mother Goddess) in other words Mother Earth as in Greece she is called Mother Gaea. You have to stop using imagery sources. We need physical written evidence first. Actually the Tuatha De Dannan were never a mythological race. It was said during the Fifth invasion, that the Tuath De Dannan came on ships that blocked out the sun, either by sky or by sea.
We have NO proof that they take their name from the "Mother Goddess". Like the Tribe of Dan explanation, it is merely a theory. It is worth noting that the Bible refers to the Tribe of Dan as seafarers and they were among the first to disappear. Acorn897 (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If you listen to TV evangalist's you'll go along way : aye right   Culnacréann
 Horse Ireland 19:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Many times.  Tolkien reportedly used some of the TDD myths for some of his material. Gabhala 13:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled] 

message: ATTENTION. Which are the sources of this geanealogic tree? According to Lebar Gabala and Keating's genealogies, Bres was son of Elatha son of Delbaeth son of Dot son of Nét; than Bres was brother of Dagda and Ogma. Please, somebody control here: http://www.bifrost.it/CELTI/Appendici/GenealogiaT.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.75.91.214 (talk • contribs) 
: This article doesn't seem to list any sources at all. Other than that it's very good. Could someone add some sources in ? Otherwise one of those big "This Article does not cite any refences" info boxes is likely to appear.  --WaterWolf 17:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for geanealogic tree?

message: Isn't the Tuatha Dé Danann in fiction a bit whimsical and unnecessary ? The fiction that is listed there has only very tenuous links to the subject. Also, there has been so much Irish fiction written on the subject (The DeDanann Isles series by Michael Scott and The Giltspur series by Cormac MacRaois come instantly to mind), that if it was all listed, the list would be about five times the length of the original article.
Reply: I think based on analogies with other wikipedia entries that it's not out of place to have a list of uses in popular culture, especially when they link to other wikipedia entries. That said, I think the bit about the submarine could be shortened to just the first sentence, as it's entirely unconnected with the history or mythology and links to an extensive entry of its own for those interested.
--Frippo 22:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuatha Dé Danann in fiction. 

message: I've removed the section 'Tuatha De Danann as the Tribe of Dan' - It was less than two lines long; and all it did was claim that British-Israelists believe that "the Tuatha De Danann are indeed the lost Tribe of Dan", and proceeded to link to a poorly-written 'debunking' article at a Bible essay website.
Conjecture surrounding the Lost Tribes of Israel, though generally interesting enough, does not need a mention here. --Knyght27 05:42, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: why not? mention of the tribe of Dan in the context of British Israelism may  well be justified here. I agree it doesn't deserve its own section though. dab (ᛏ) 09:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  As the Tribe of Dan 

message: if we're going to mark long vowels in the title, it should be Túatha Dé Danann (or Tuatha De Danann, but not Tuatha Dé Danann), see tuath. dab (ᛏ) 07:47, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dictionary of the Irish Language (Old and Middle Irish) lists túath (with a fada). The Collins Pocket Irish Dictionary (Modern Irish) gives tuath (without). It seems either is possible, depending on period. --Nicknack009 17:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: move

message: The Popular Culture section was removed as irrelevant.  I'm curious as to how the decision on degree of relevancy was reached?  Surely the section would be very relevant to someone who had read something on the TDD and wanted to find more in a similar vein? Gabhala 13:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that it wasn't a well-formatted discussion of the appearance of the Danann in popular culture, rather just a laundry-list of various appearances of the name. It added nothing to the discussion or understanding of the article subject. And it is not Wikipedia's purpose to let people find similar media which they might enjoy. I suggest Gnooks for that. --Eyrian 22:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the best option is to spin the section out into a daughter article. I'm not a fan of these sections, and they are unecyclopedic, but this usually works leaving the main article unaffected. Ceoil 22:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That article would likely be entirely devoid of relevance or sources, and would probably be swiftly deleted (see WP:IPC). Further, no harm isn't a valid reason. I simply do not see the kind of merit necessary appearing. If somebody wants to write a well-sourced section/article about the portrayals of the Danann in popular media, that's fine. But a laundry-list of appearances without context or analysis (which must be attributed) doesn't do any good. --Eyrian 23:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be the responsibility of the people adding the pop-cult factiods to justify that article's  presence. If any element of any article is devoid of relevance or sources, it needs to go. My suggestion is based around the fact that this project inevitably attracts cruft; fine, spin it out, to grow and later die in a place where only the servers and speedy people need worry about it. Ceoil 23:50, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK. As I said, I was just curious. Gabhala 21:07, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This isn't useful growth. It's the accumulation of silly little references, without any kind of context or analysis. --Eyrian 00:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. The factoids are also unsourced.--Cúchullain t/c 08:11, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: This argument has been running for a very long time now. As I already said in the 'Tuatha Dé Danann in fiction' section above, I think this section is not needed in the article. 90% of the listed pop culture references simply name check the Tuatha Dé Danann and are completely irrelevant. It's the kind of fluff a section like that will attract. There are far more relevant items that could be listed but the list would end up being huge. I'm not opposed to a separate article on this but it shouldn't be included in this article. --WaterWolf 09:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: Would some nice person like to add how Tuatha Dé Danann is pronounced? An IPA guide or a spoken .ogg file would be ideal. Peter1968 (talk) 12:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added an attempt at the IPA that's as right as I can make it for modern Irish. The Old Irish pronunciation is more or less the same, except the th would be pronounced like an English th, not an h. --Nicknack009 (talk) 19:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Can some one please insert Bres as Brigid's husband and Ruadan as their son.
I have no idea how to figure out how to edit that stupid chart, but this correction needs to be made. If you need a source check out Gray, Elizabeth A. ed. & trans. Cath Maige Tuired: The Second Battle of Mag Tuired. Kildare: 1982. pp 42.
Cheers.206.188.67.28 (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuatha Dé Danann family tree 

message: I have restored the fact that the TDD and the Greek Danaans are not related. I don't believe it needs a cite, as it should be blitheringly obvious to anyone that any similarity between a misspelling of an Irish word and an Anglicisation of a Greek word, which doesn't exist between the original Irish and Greek words, must be coincidental. The only references linking them are in popular "ancient mysteries" type books, which have no standards at all. Any reputable scholar writing on either subject would consider the fact there is no link too obvious to have to state. Popular books are full of gibberish about Celtic subjects, and it unreasonable to expect scholarly sources refuting them all. --Nicknack009 (talk) 23:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As you know, our opinions can't be used in articles. The Phoenicians were not part of the Egyptian empire, nor did they share the same religion. As our article on them says, "The religious practices and beliefs of Phoenicia were cognate generally to their neighbours in Canaan" - see Ancient Canaanite religion, plus some Egyptian cults."All over Europe" is a bit of a stretch, but certainly along the Med and Iberia.  I have no idea why anyone would think a stone from a medieval monastery is Phoenican, but your gnostic warrior cites this article which doesn't suggest it's Phoenician. Show me an archaeological source for Phoenicians in Ireland. Doug Weller talk 17:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The Phoenicians were not part of the Egyptian empire, nor did they share the same religion." That's your opinion. MrSativa (talk) 02:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it's the opinion of virtually every academic writing on these subjects.  If you feel strongly about this, have a go at adding this to Phoenicia and Ancient Egypt and see what others say. You are aware of WP:VERIFY and WP:RS yet you continue to ignore them. Doug Weller talk 09:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Agreed - now why is Olympian Pantheon in ==see also== ?? ClemMcGann (talk) 09:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tuatha Dé Danann and Greek Danaans 

message: " Hindu mythology has a goddess called Danu, who may be an Indo-European parallel."
"Who" is a relative pronoun which should refer to the nearest noun.  That would be "Danu" the Hindu goddess.  The Hindus are Indo-Aryans, not Indo-Europeans.  If the Irish Danu is the parallel to the Hindu Danu, then instead of "who may be," use "to which the Irish Danu may be".
71.163.114.49 (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammar problem? 

message: Before anyone goes to see if Rawlinson actually wrote that, he didn't. It is copied from "Genesis of the Grail Kings" by fringe authot Laurence Gardner. Dougweller (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent quote attributed to Rawlinson 

message: This place is identified as Slieve Anierin. Nmclough (talk) 08:19, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mountains of the Conmaiche in Connacht 

message: Can we have the genealogy chart fixed so it is readable?   I am a genealogist and even I can't make sense of this chart.  A row of vertical lines that go no where is of no use to anyone who wants to understand the mythology.
:I've removed it, it's an editor's original research combining seveal sources. Doug Weller talk 12:15, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Genealogy Chart