Talk:Turkish delight

message: I think they make this in India also. I've been to Indian stores and seem to also make and eat this, or something extremely similar. Dont know the name, But I have seen it in the Indian stores. In Indian/ south Asian cultures they seem to have a lot of deserts and small squares and stuff stuff like this. could this have traveled to India from the Mougals out of Persia and Afghanistan?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.167.113 (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean mithai? watermelon66 (talk) 00:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: India

message: The page Turkish_Delight_(Lokum) looks like it should link here. At the moment it just includes some of the info on this page, formatted badly.
: Done. TheMightyQuill 17:42, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Exellent - (I seemed to have forgotten my username hehe :) ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.173.128.90 (talk) 23:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Turkish_Delight_(Lokum)]]

message: Themightyquill removed the words "rahat lokum, or rahat al-hulkum" from the enumeration of forms in the opening of the article, saying "Etymological forms don't need to be in the first sentence. For simplicity and clairity, let's leave them out until later." He is right that this probably helps with simplicity and clarity, but isn't Turkish Delight sometimes actually sold under those names? --Iustinus 17:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a Turkish 'turkish delight' lover, I haven't seen any of them being sold under the names "rahat lokum, or rahat al-hulkum"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.214.237.196 (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Etymological forms" 

message: What's the point of this as it stands? A bald list of flavours with no indication as to how common they are, what brands they're in, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.153.109.183 (talk) 22:29, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flavours section 

message: In the sentence below assert that the lokum's origin is Persia. 
:Reay Tannahill suggests that the Persian confection ahbisa (jelly) was the ancestor of Turkish rahat lokum, the long name for the sweet.
I wonder that is there a delight in Iran like lokum? Can somebody inform me? 
Ruzgar 21:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, sugarcane originated in India and New Guinea, from which it spread throughout the Old World long before it ever reached the Americas. As the article itself suggests, however, before granulated sugar was widely used honey from bees and molasses (which can be made from sugarbeets) the were common sweeteners. Also, there are plenty of substitutes for corn starch, white flour being a readily accessible one that is also mentioned in the article. --166.66.116.254 (talk) 00:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persian origin 

message: I think that it is safe to delete this section. Someone already deleted most of it to no objection. The only item that remains is one that begins with a highly doubtful statement "Turkish Delight is probably best known among English speakers as the addictive confection to which Edmund Pevensie succumbs in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis." Oh, so that is how people know about Turkish Delight? Yeah right! Maybe if you are 12. 
I am only trying to discuss this out of deference to whoever put in a comment to discuss the section before deleting it. Does anyone feel that the previously deleted items should be brought back and the statement that I find dubious should be re-worked, or should we 86 the whole section? Leondegrance
:The first sentence could probably be removed. However, the cited reference to its sales subsantially increasing after the release of the film should remain. --Eyrian 17:39, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected the grammar in the note about the Madonna song but, honestly, there is noting notable about it (or the Powerpuff Girls reference).  At least the others are indicative of the association between the sweet and Turkish culture. BarryNorton (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In Popular Culture

message: Any source for that?  I don't see how Napoleon could have enjoyed something that was not introduced to Europe until after his death.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.132.242.1 (talk) 14:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Napoleon and Churchill 

message: ???????  who wrote this?  Where did you get this information?  And since when did states have official "state candy"?  it's not like a bird, flower, or tree.  here is the only thing i can find:
http://www.allbusiness.com/wholesale-trade/merchant-wholesalers-nondurable/762064-1.html Skiendog (talk) 21:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  State candy of washington 

message: The article writes about unconnected sweets which have nothing to do with what the sweet is today.
Original authentic Turkish Delight was a sweet created by Haci Bekir for the Ottoman Sultan, there is no deep conspiracy of millenia's of Turkish Delight history. It is a sweet a few centuries old, invented by Haci Bekir in Istanbul for the Ottoman Sultan. The sweet became sucesfull and popular across the Empire.
As for it being "Persian" origin, is the entire universe of Persian origin...
Torke  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.0.143 (talk) 01:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This claim is not supported by a reliable source. If you have a reliable source to support this - do add it. A newspaper article or a company web page is not a reliable source. The suggestion of Persian origin is made by a historian in a scientific study, which is a reliable source.80.244.22.49 (talk) 15:01, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacı_Bekir 46.114.173.159 (talk) 01:23, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a reliable source. We can't have people putting claims in Wikipedia just because somebody else previously put those claims in Wikipedia. Largoplazo (talk) 12:26, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish Delight was INVENTED by Haci Bekir 

message: Shouldn't this article should be renamed either lokum or loukoum? Turkish Delight is a brand name. Davedim (talk) 08:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be renamed 

message: From the article: "It is often flavored with rosewater and lemon, the former giving it a characteristic pale pink color."
I've never seen pink rosewater, and I suspect any pink color is the result of food coloring, but I'll let someone more knowledgeable on the topic do the update.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.195.110 (talk) 21:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is rosewater ever pink? 

message: Akanes is a variation of Turkish Delight made in Serres with a distinct butter taste. Accessed 9 Apr 2009 .
Rose water - if steamed for however long it takes - will take on the colour of the petals used. Red roses will create a pink water without the addition of any natural or artificial colour being added.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.19.120.230 (talk) 15:07, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed to its own page from unrelated disambig 

message: I can't find any occurrence in the references to copra used as a packing agent. Is it possible that 'desiccated coconut' - a common culinary ingredient - is meant, rather than 'copra', which, in my experience is used either as an animal food or as an industrial feedstock? In either case, we should have a reference to a reliable source. Kay Dekker (talk) 17:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copra? 

message: Hi! In Greece this delight is named as Λουκούμι( Loucoumi), in Turkey as Loukoum. I think that both names of the same delight have not Greek or Turkish origin. In fact i think the name is Roman, through the famous Roman Lucullus,who was famous for his rich dinners that he had.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucullus
So that the adjective lucullan characterized by extravagance and profusion"a lavish buffet" "a lucullan feast".
http://dictionary.sensagent.com/lucullan/en-el/
So, i think the Greeks took the word from the Romans and after the occupation of Byzantine Empire from the Ottomans passed to the Turks.
The phrase i think is well known to the English speaking world or to countries that their language is based in Latin.Here in Greece we also use that phrase λουκούλειο γεύμα( loukouleio geuma ) and i believe in Turkey also would have the same or similar phrase.
Finally , loukoum or λουκούμι mean rich and flavour taste of this delight from the memmory of the Roman Lucullus and his rich meals. (unsigned contrib by anon).
:Nice story, but you don't give any reliable sources for it.  Anyway, the Arabic source seems pretty well-documented. (The Babiniotis dictionary agrees with the Turkish etymology.) --macrakis (talk) 01:55, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology.. 

message: I'm kind of surprised to see the 'serving temperature' for this labeled as "cold". Wouldn't it just be room temperature? "Cold" implies that it's chilled...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.231.6 (talk) 17:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Serving Temperature?

message: At the Grand Bazaar, vendors tell me that the yellow/green/red variety covered in powdered sugar is the original style produced in the Ottoman times, and that the other variety with a clear colour, usually with pistachio or hazel nuts, and often rolled in shredded coconut is a modern invention of the Republic era. If this is true, it deserves prominence in the article, but I can't cite Grand Bazaar vendors as references in Wikipedia. Anybody know about that? --Atkinson (talk) 15:59, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman lokum vs. modern lokum 

message: Really?
That's a bit presumptuous a statement, isn't it? Particularly for an encyclopaedic article?
Couldn't it just be that they're trying to market a product to their tourists as a local variety / specialty? (otherwise, why brand it in English at all).
Cyprus does exactly that (as mentioned in the previous paragraph), and in fact they've gained PGI from the EU for it, as the island's local variety is distinguishable enough to set it apart from the traditional Turkish ones.
I mean, if you're gonna write a statement like that, might as well spice it up and say "because they raped their women and children" or something.
Seriously, no need to incite political hatred here. Move along. I'm deleting the latter part of the statement from the article. If someone has particular evidence why that statement was historically valid, and good reasons why it is of relevance to the article itself, then feel free to discuss it here. Tpapastylianou (talk) 10:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I make note that if you're in Greece and you innocently call something Turkish (e.g. "Turkish Coffee" you will be swiftly corrected.  But I agree with Tpapastylianou that issue probably doesn't belong in this article.  Kcrossle (talk) 16:19, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In Greece and its islands it is often branded "Greek Delight", possibly because of the historic hostility between Greece and Turkey." 

message: Hello all, I noticed there wasn't a lot of information concerning the ingredients (other than the lead, which isn't cited) and the process of making Turkish delight. For the article I would suggest including a section dedicated to the production/manufacturing process of Turkish delight and the recipe for it as well. This way, the article will be much more complete. Also in the 'In Popular Culture' section, I suggest including quotation marks on 'addictive confection' to show that this is what the book, 'The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe' implied, because it somewhat sounds like a biased statement without the quotation marks. Thank you. --Sapphire8765 (talk) 13:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some suggestions to improve article 

message: Is Persia still used enough to be listed as the name instead of Iran? Unbeatable101 (talk) 16:01, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persia or Iran? 

message: As of the time of writing, the introductory paragraphs do not mention gelatine, though it is listed in the sidebar as a main ingredient with 2 sources (these sources are not in a language this editor can read, for posterity).
Is gelatin a main ingredient or not, is it an ingredient in variant recipes, and does gelatin in this context mean as we would commonly understand it a collagen derived from animal products? 80.162.26.181 (talk) 19:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question. I also do not read Arabic, and while I normally avoid machine translation, in this case it seems acceptable for double-checking the cited source. Of the two, only the translation of one mentioned gelatin. So it seems like it is only sometimes used. I have added an English-language recipe, which also does not mention gelatin, and moved gelatin to the 'Ingredients generally used' field along with fruit and nuts, per the article. Grayfell (talk) 21:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gelatin?