Talk:Smartphone/Archive 1

message: I got to this page by clicking on a link to Smartphone 2002 (Windows Mobile For Smartphones 2002) and i expected something obout that OS and the devices that run that OS, but i got the page talking about all smartphones in general. There is a difference between smartphones and Smartphones... Rospaya 18:57, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From Windows Media Player? There's a difference between a generic Smartphones and Microsoft Windows Powered Smartphone 2002, and that article probably shouldn't link here. MS don't get this page just because they have a capital letter. That said, I notice Smartphone 2002 redirects here when it should probably go to Windows Mobile... Hypnotist uk 19:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Windows Mobile Smartphone / standard 

message: If anyone has access to such statistics it would be nice to include current market penetration figures for smartphones, cf Mobile_phone says US market penetration for cell phones was 66% in 2003.
:I added a pointer to the figures at http://www.canalys.com/pr/2005/r2005071.htm which are for unit shipments.  I'd still really like a market penetration or share of overall mobile market percentage. Mike Linksvayer 19:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smartphone Adoption 

message: Removed the Carrier Bias from the Motorola i930 in order to denote that the Motorola i930 can be used for Southern Linc networks as well. -- Vesther 21:41, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorola i930 can be used for Southern Linc as well 

message: I think the term has more to do with marketing than functionality however data-centric/voice-centric = PDA/Smartphone is a good discriminator for the current terminology.  I believe the article to be very good considering the definition is widely debated even between marketing research firms.  It may be the case that the term Smartphone will replace "wireless" PDA just like PDA replaced Personal Communicator - it makes more sense and is easier to say.--Rob Fraser 22:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS to Definition 

message: Most people couldn't care less about the operating system. The list should be classified on the basis of something else, like manufacturer or chronology or features. Arvindn 20:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy 

message: this article speaks of HTC phones, then of T-Mobile phones, then of Orange phones, then of i-mate phones, then of Vodaphone phones, then of Qtek phones, then of Dopod phones, then of Cingular phones... but those are all one and the same smartphones, just rebranded differently - just try counting how shorter this list would be if it only counted devices that were actually different?? --83.131.143.254 02:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTC duplication 

message: I'm seeing featurephone used to mean non smart phone. Mathiastck 00:31, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  featurephone 

message: I've never heard this term during my years as either a consumer or an industry member.  Reading through the first four pages of search term results reveals no usage of sphone that remotely justifies using it as a synonym for smartphone in the first sentence of the article.  (My favorite was the forum posting that claimed "I need Beyonce Knowle'sphone number.") 
The term is squishy enough already; let's avoid useless neologisms.  That said, I'm happy to look at citations or be shown the error of my ways. Petershank 16:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sphone? 

message: user:220.225.247.20 has made a couple of large deletions (the "Definition" section and the comparison table) without giving an explanation either in the edit summary or here. I am going to revert them, because I can't think of any good reason for them. JonoP 13:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large deletions 

message: Someone has just gone through and changed the market shares of the various operating systems significantly, specifically they changed Symbian OS from 72.8% to 51%, Linux from 16.7% to 23% and Windows Mobile from 5.6% to 17%. As one can see, the new figures differ radically from the old, and no reference has been provided. The original figures were taken from , in which Symbian reports figures provided by Canalys, an organisation separate from Symibian. As I am an employee of Symbian, in order to avoid possible violation of WP:NPOV, I will not change the figures back, but would appreciate it if someone could take a look and see whether the change should be reverted. Cheers JonoP 10:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market Shares 

message: I realize smartphone is difficult to describe, however the current description should be expanded.  The key feature of a smartphone is that one can install additional applications to the device.  This would seem to include all J2ME and BREW devices yet few people would consider these to be smartphones.
That is very questionable and probably incorrect. Smartphone nowadays means high-end phone, usually camera phone, with full fledged email capability priced at the high-end. ALl phones theser days are pretty much programmable via Java or BREW and can download applications somehow. Most Smartphones like Blackberries, although can, never do. Clearly the low-end has pushed the feature set of the Smartphone elsewhere and it is no longer a "computer in a phone". An example of this would be the announced Apple iPhone referred to as a Smartphone. It is "smart" in many ways because of its accelerometer, proximity sensor, ambient light sensor, sophisticated UI. The market seems to have moved. For the better or the worst. HuskyMoon 10:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Smartphone'' Definition 

message: *I like the comparison chart that anonymous added..  Shows the direction that smartphones are taking.  The OS of the iPhone may not be OS X, see slashdot article http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/13/1746234 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DaisyField (talk • contribs) 09:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The argument offered in the blog article that inspired that Slashdot article was complete crap (Apple is not bound by the terms of the APSL, so they can do an ARM port of Darwin code without making it part of the released Darwin), and he later retracted his claim that it couldn't possibly be running OS X.  Guy Harris 06:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: But where does the selection of smartphones come from? Anyway I've changed the title for now. Hypnotist uk 18:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, the list should be maintained as the most significant models.. We can edit/add/delete entries to keep it relevent and up to date.  It's a nice no-fluff way of seeing what smartphones really are and see where they are trending.  DaisyField 18:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like the fact it exists, but I stil have trouble with how we define 'significant'. I'm fresh out of ideas here though, so I'm happy to see how the table evolves. Hypnotist uk 19:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison Chart