Talk:Mole people

message: There is use of ""surface dwellers."" (quotation marks are used in text), is this phrase used in Deus Ex? If not (I am fairly sure it is not) the quotation marks should be removed.
I have expanded this stub somewhat but it would be good if someone who has access to relevant literature/has studied this subject could expand it some. 
I seem to remember a romantic drama series filmed in the 80s called Beauty And The Beast (or similar) which featured some sort of subterranean society similar to some of the bolder claims from the urban legends about mole people. Some additional literary references (eg: HG Wells' The Time Machine may also be appropriate.--ChrisJMoor 15:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

message: It's my feeling that the whole "Mole People" thing needs disambuigating.  Some of the links mentioned are clearly related to the urban legend, but others are only related by virtue of being about 'people living underground'.  Particularily the 1956 movie has very little to do with the idea of subterranian New Yorkers. Banality 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, break it up. You can't tell fact from fiction here.--futurebird 12:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambuigation page?

message: Fear of the homeless has caused some writers and filmmakers to create monsters based on the idea of mole people. These films, TV shows and comic books have been criticised for dehumanizing the homeless people who have sought shelter undergorund.futurebird 22:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
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message: A Disambuigation page has been created under Mole Men.76.81.194.199 00:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambuigation page

message: Why isn't Dark Days listed in the body of the article? It's a lot more significant than, say, a reference in an episode of Futurama.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 (talk) 02:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it is an entire documentary based on mole people. The movie contains detailed footage of the underground encampment, as well as many interviews with the people. It also shows the inside of some of the rather elaborate structures. I would think that the movie would go very far in backing up the veracity of the mole people.WackoJacko (talk) 15:29, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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The Las Vegas Channel 8 News sent their Eyewitness News I-Team with Matt O'Brien, the local author who spent nearly five years exploring beneath the city to write the book, Beneath the Neon [external link]. 
...seems like spam to me. People might disagree with me so I left it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllThatJazz2012 (talk • contribs) 11:21, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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==Media portrayals==
Both types of Mole People have appeared in different media appearances:
===In comics===
* The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, as well as their sensei Splinter and
one of their primary villains, The Rat King, live permanently in the New
York sewer system.
* The Marvel Comics character Mole Man is the ruler of a race of mole
men called the Moloids who live in Subterranea.
* The Marvel comic book series X-Men has featured a society of
superhuman mutants, known as [[Morlocks
(comics)|Morlocks]] after the H. G. Wells characters, who live in the
tunnels below New York City.
===In film===
(Chronological)
* The 1956 science fiction film The Mole People (film) features a party
of archaeologists who discover the remnants of a mutant five-millennia-old
Sumerian civilization living beneath a glacier atop a mountain in Mesopatamia.
They use humanoid mole men as their slaves.
* The 1962 French science fiction film La jetée is set in a
post-apocalyptic world, wherein
survivors live below Paris in the galleries of the Palais de Chaillot.
** An underground community of survivors is also seen in Terry Gilliam's
1995 remake entitled 12 Monkeys.
* The 1981 John Carpenter film Escape from New York features
"Crazies" - underground-dwelling cannibals.
* The 1984 horror film C.H.U.D. portrays mole people as mutated
cannibalistic humanoids that come up from the sewers and prey upon the citizens
of New York.
* The 1985 film Subway featured mole people.
* The 1990 film Teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles (film) based on the comic, the Turtles and their Master
Splinter live in New York's sewer system, however they are forced to leave their
home when the Foot Clan discovers their lair, though they later return there to
take on the Foot and The Shredder.
** The 1991 film [[Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the
Ooze]], it is revealed they abandoned their lair as the remaining Foot members
are aware of it, began living with April O'Neil in her new apartment, but later
discover an old abandoned subway station which they turn into their new lair.
The station and subway cars remain their home throughout the reminder of the
film and serves as their lair in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III. It is
also the Turtle's lair in the live-action TV series, [[Ninja Turtles: The Next
Mutation]]. The abandoned subway station, is actually based on real-world
decommissioned New York subway City Hall Station, of the former Interborough
Rapid Transit company. However, the station is not completely abandoned as it
appears in the movie. Trains currently pass through the station daily as they
turn around to head uptown, passengers are allowed to ride through the station,
but the train does not stop and so they cannot disembark.
** The 2007 film TMNT, the Turtles and Splinter live in a new lair,
located in the sewers.
* The "Troglodistes" in the French black comedy film [[Delicatessen
(film)|Delicatessen]] (1991) are a group of vegetarian rebels who live in the
sewers.
* In the 1993 film Demolition Man, Denis Leary's
character Edgar Friendly is the leader of the homeless “Scrap” people who live
in the underground “Wasteland,” or the ruins of old Los Angeles.
* Outside Society, a 1994 short documentary film by Steven Dupler, went
underground in New York to cover the homeless community living in the Amtrak
tunnel as well as the NYC subway system.  It was awarded the [[Nombre D'Or
Prize]] for Best Documentary in 1995 by the International Broadcasting
Conference's Widescreen Film Festival in Montreux, and also received the
United Nations' UNESCO Prize for Best Direction, Human Rights
Programming, at the 1995 International Electronic Cinema Festival in
Amsterdam.
* In the 1996 film Extreme Measures, a community of mole people is
preyed upon for use in medical experiments.
* Marc Singer's 2000 documentary, Dark Days, follows a
group of people living in an abandoned section of the New York City underground
railway system, in the area of the so-called Freedom Tunnel.
* The 2006 film Urchin features a society of mole people
who call their home "Scum City".
* Vic David's 2008 documentary, Voices in the Tunnels (formerly titled
In Search of the Mole People), explores the lives of people who lived in the
New York subway tunnels.
===In literature and publications===
(Alphabetical by author's last name)
* The novel Enclave by Ann Agguire which features a post-apocalyptic version of
society based on the assumption that people in NYC moved underground to escape
biological warfare. 
* The novel La Promesse des ténèbres by
Maxime Chattam features communities of people living underground in New York
City, including the "mole people" who live in the lowest parts. Jennifer Toth's
book is cited by the author.
* In the James Patterson novel Maximum Ride: The Angel Experiment,
the Flock (a group of genetically altered children) take refuge in an abandoned
subway tunnel in New York City, meeting up with a young mole person and
observing other mole people living there as well.
* Mervyn Peake's 1959 novel Titus Alone of the [[Gormenghast
(series)|Gormenghast]] series features a poor, displaced, underground society
who live in an area known as the "Under River".
* Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child's [[science
fiction|sci-fi]]/horror novel Relic and
its sequel Reliquary deal with mole people living in
numerous communities in the subway tunnels, sewers and service tunnels beneath
Manhattan.
* The 2001 novel The Manhattan Hunt Club by John Saul is about a
secretive gentlemen's club in New York that turns hunting of humans into a sport
in the tunnels under New York City.
* Neal Shusterman's  1999 novel Downsiders features an entire city of
people below New York.
* The Mole People: Life In The Tunnels Beneath New York City  (1993) by
Jennifer Toth is discussed above, under Urban folklore.
===In television===
(Alphabetical by show title)
* In the 1964-1973 cartoon Underdog, there was an
episode called "The Molemen" that featured a race of humanoid moles. The Molemen
are an evil society of giant moles who live underground, led by the evil King
Mange (voiced by Allen Swift) and plan to conquer the world by stealing all
the food in the world, thus making everybody weak, sluggish and without energy.
With this advantage, the Molemen and their ants would have no problem conquering
the world. As Sweet Polly was investigating the thefts, she was captured by King
Mange, and Underdog was called to rescue her, but he was succumbed to the
Mole-Hole Gun, the Molemen's secret weapon. Afterwards, he was captured. King
Mange threatened to destroy Sweet Polly if Underdog didn't do what Mange said.
Underdog got Polly free, and had the answer to everyone's energy problems. He
filled every water reservoir in the world with his Super Energy Vitamin Pills,
filling the water with tremendous energy. Soon after, the citizens had enough
energy to escape the Molemen attack and the Army had the strength to fight. King
Mange was eventually defeated and arrested.
* In the Spider-Man episodes "Menace from
the Bottom of the World" and "Spider-Man Battles the Molemen," there was a race
of Molemen who fought Spider-Man twice when they were duped by a criminal named
Mugs Riley (who disguised himself as a Moleman) into abducting buildings from
the surface.
* In the 1976-1984 cartoon Tarzan, Lord of the Jungle, the episode
"Tarzan and the Land Beneath the Earth" had Tarzan ending up in the
underground city of Terrapolis which is inhabited by a race of Mole People who
have been abducting the Mako Trees on the surface in order to power their city's
furnace.
* In ThunderCats, there is a race of mole
people on Third Earth that are humanoid moles.
* The 1987-1989 television series [[Beauty and the Beast (1987 TV
series)|Beauty and the Beast]] featured Vincent, a lion-like man who lived
among a group of homeless people in the tunnels of "The World Below" which is
beneath New York City.
* The animated television series Futurama has a race of [[Mutant
(fictional)|mutants]] living in the sewers of New New York, which are actually
the ruins of the present day New York City.
* In the first-season episode of the television series [[Bones (TV
series)|Bones]], entitled "The Woman in the Tunnel", the
team worked on the dead body of a woman doing a documentary on mole people.
* A community of people living underground in New York City is featured in the
fifth-season episode entitled
"Control" of the television series Law & Order: Special Victims Unit.
** A similar community is also shown in the [[Law & Order: Criminal Intent
(season 4)|fourth-season episode "In The Dark"]] of [[Law & Order: Criminal
Intent]].
* Neil Gaiman's 1996 television series Neverwhere depicts highly
fictionalized dwellers in their world of "London Below", who are literally
invisible to those who dwell aboveground.
* The show Upright Citizens Brigade features a "Moleman" character in
one episode, who leaves his girlfriend with only his clothes to remember him by.
This causes a stranger to ask the woman if she is wearing "Moleman perfume."
* In Johnny Test, there is a race of Mole People that are led by Zizrar.
* A running gag on The Simpsons is Hans Moleman. He suffers multiple
deaths.
* In Ugly Betty, season 1 episode 16, in a conversation between Betty and
Charlie (Henry's ex-girlfriend), she asks "what about the mole people" when
Betty assures her that riding the Subway is one of the safest ways during the
snowy weather.
*In Criminal Minds, season 9 episode 17, the BAU investigates a ring of
homeless people who live in the Las Vegas storm drain tunnels.
===In video games===
* In the game Deus Ex, the protagonist briefly visits an enclave of mole
people living in a hidden tunnel adjoining [[Brooklyn Bridge – City Hall /
Chambers Street (New York City Subway)|Brooklyn Bridge Station]].
* In the game Fallout: New Vegas, post-apocalyptic residents of a
dystopian Las Vegas dwell throughout the metro and sewage tunnels.
* In the game Metro 2033, post-apocalyptic
Russians dwell in the miles of metro underground due to nuclear winter and
mutated beasts that roam freely above-ground and constantly attack the dwellers
underground.
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message: were found in the Beauty And The Beast TV series (starring Linda Hamilton & Ron Perlman). They lived in tunnels below New York City. All started as refugees: from persecution, from abusive backgrounds, etc. 96.82.150.137 (talk) 22:44, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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