Talk:Boeing T-43

message: Per this discussion, the T/CT-43 has no official name. Although I have not found the discussion as yet, there was one about "Bobcat" being a callsign for the T/CT-43. Except in rare cases, such as the SR-71 Blackbird, WP:AIR does not usually include nicknames or callsigns in article titles, and on occasion even excludes offical names fom the title. Examples are the F-111 Aardvark, F2A Buffalo, and P-40 Warhawk. If the USAF has assigned "Bobcat" as an official name since 2004/05, please provide a source for this. Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 06:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: BillCJ, Sorry I didn't respond sooner (7 months...wow). I can only provide you with the reference material I have seen from circa 1981, my father's copy of the Dash-2 (a.k.a. the flight manual) for the jet which has the name "Bobcat" printed on it. Next time I get to go back there I'll see if I can scan it in. The best I can provide in the meantime is a patch from the ANG showing their usage of the term. Accordingly, I'm moving it back. If this doesn't satisfy your concerns, feel free to move it back and we'll talk some more. — BQZip01 — talk 04:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I understood Bobcat to be just the callsign used not the official nickname, it would be nice to see something official from the USAF about the name. The official USAF factsheet doesnt mention it. And the patch could support the fact it is a Colorado ANG callsign. MilborneOne (talk) 12:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Air Force historians ain't what they used to be. I've never heard Bobcat as a callsign (we always used "GATOR"). Like I said before, I'm easily willing to be wrong on this one, but from my recollection, the manual I saw had "Bobcat" as the official name (just like "Stratofortress" in my B-52 manual). I'll keep digging to provide a better answer. — BQZip01 — talk 18:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

text:  The current AF factsheet refers to it as the "Strike Orca." It's more commonly known as "Gator," though.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.211.203 (talk) 05:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Which af factsheet are you referring to? http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=127 — BQZip01 — talk 20:42, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks like they updated it since 6 months ago.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.183.211.203 (talk) 01:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The CoANG crews call sign was "Bobcat". I scanned and uploaded the patch to the article. The Nov 2010 USAF Magazine article on the T-43 retirement refers to the a/c as T-43 Gator. I'll see what documentation the CoANG retirees have on T-43s. LanceBarber (talk) 05:56, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

text: In discussion with a Buckley-Lowry Historian, the T-43 had no formal USAF nickname, like the F-111 had no formal name until the day it retired. "Bobcat" is the call sign of Buckley T-43 flight.  BQ, please scan (or have your father scan) the document and upload it here for all to see. More investigation will continue. Thank you. LanceBarber (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

text: That doesn't actually preclude the name having been resued for the T-43. However, one source really isn't enough to outweigh the other reliable sources which state there is no official name, and that "Bobcat" is just the aircraft's callsign. BQ's source can be added in a note that states it claims the name is "Bobcat", but it shouldn't be used int he article. I support moving the article to Boeing T-43. - BilCat (talk) 04:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Official name

message: :The result of the discussion was consensus to move the article (non-admin closure) — BQZip01 — talk 02:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a discussion regarding the page move from Boeing T-43 Bobcat →  Please do not modify it.
Boeing T-43 Bobcat →  — Only one source given for "Bobcat" being the official name, and it is not easily verifiable. One source really isn't enough to outweigh the other reliable sources which state there is no official name, and that "Bobcat" is just the aircraft's callsign. - BilCat (talk) 01:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I talked to the retired pilots, ground crew and comm guys yesterday, and confirmed again that "Bobcat" was the callsign that was used regularly at Buckley. "Gator" was NOT used at Buckley. And, none of them knew of any official aircraft name either.LanceBarber (talk) 05:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: One of the CoANG retirees found his manual. Cheers, Lance. LanceBarber (talk) 07:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The old one I saw was slightly different, though was from a few years later (the last version's cover looks nothing like that). In any case, this is pretty clear evidence that it wasn't initially there. EXCELLENT find!!! Buffs (talk) 17:02, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proof we've been waiting for 

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