Talk:Mike Cox (American politician)

message: I added in some addational facts about this case. The way it was writen originaly made it sound as if he is a fundemental zealot that just wants to toss people in jail for breaking their mariage vows. However, the extra facts I added in wind up making this sound like it has POV in the oposite direction. Couls someone who is better than me at removing POV please see what can be done about this part? --TheHungryTiger 01:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article already contains three four sources (two three news, and the top link when Google searching for "Mike Cox" adultery) supporting the possibility of adultery, and I found more with Google.  Can you find us some sources that dispute this, so that it may be added to the article? —LOL 01:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: If he didn't have an affair that is great and I respect the guy too, but the recent critisism brought up the alleged affair and Democrats claim he should turn himself in.  This is why someone added the alleged incident.  If there was no confession or proof of an affair then it can only be stated as alleged.  Instead of deleting it you should find articles defending him as I did by adding Rusty Hills' comment.  As far as lack of content, you have every right to add factual sourced information.  The content can't be opinionated though.  There are alot of negative attacks on these pages and there are many who will protect them by reverting the bad edits if the info is untrue or unsourced. Jjmillerhistorian 13:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: To 209.124.40.183, please don't simply remove appropriately sourced details just because you don't happen to like the criticism. Through an unfortunate confluence of his personal affairs and choices he made in prosecuting cases, Cox opened himself up to this line of criticism. It has been actively represented in a variety of published sources and is certainly fair to at least mention in his article. Yes we need to be careful that the criticism is appropriately sourced and is not overweighted to give an unfair characterization. But that doesn't mean wholesale removal of the criticism. older ≠ wiser 14:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: The blog can probably go because it’s self-published, and there’s another source beside it.  It’s funny that the two references you removed were the San Francisco Chronicle — a top-1000 site on the Internet and top-30 news site — and WorldNetDaily — a conservative online news site — but did not remove the blog.  Please tell us which sources are liberal attack sites, and explain why.  I do not “personally have something against the Attorney General”, nor am I “using this page for personal politics,” but I do have a problem with people who accuse others of doing so while repeatedly removing sourced information and making legal threats. —LOL 00:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: San Fransisco is a liberal attack city, but on the other hand the Chronicle is a proper source.  I added an older source from when he admitted to the affair since the brief info in the Chronicle is vague.  Remember (209.124.40.183) the critisism is not the article and it has been expanded as you can see. If you can add more verfiable info add it, don't just delete a negative verifiable source. Jjmillerhistorian 08:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: adultry law

message: This article has serious issues, to the point where I would say it should be stubbed down and a rewrite carried out. At first read, instead of a balanced, neutral article that states facts dispssionately, I see a glowingly positive section that reads like PR, followed by a very negative section that reads like an attack. Without commenting on the statements about various negative sources, I will say that much of the positive material preceding it is a direct lift from here which is the State's official site. This is all copyrighted material and needs to be removed. (for example see the text at the head of "FIGHTING FOR MICHIGAN'S CHILDREN" section in the state site, it's word for word identical). Removing all this copyvio puffery would leave only the negative. Thus, I think stubbing this down is the way to go, and I plan to do so shortly unless there is serious objection coupled with a rewrite to correct the issues. ++Lar: t/c 10:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said earlier, this article needs stubbing down. I'm going to commence doing just that shortly. ++Lar: t/c 00:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now done so. I will happily work with other editors to construct a neutral, reliably sourced and factual biography, either by discussing it here, or by building it up on the article page, but reversion of my removal is not advised without considerable discussion and consensus reached first, per the WP:BLP policy. ++Lar: t/c 00:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

text: If this material could be presented factually neutrally, sure. But I fear the article turning into the same thing it was before I stubbed it out. Compare the stubbed out version to how it is now:  once again several hagiographic paragraphs about how wonderful his initiatives are have worked their way into the article. Time to stub it again maybe. ++Lar: t/c 15:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:BLP]] Issues 

message: It would be great if someone with more energy and interest than I have could revise this article for a more concise picture of Cox and his generally conservative politics/actions. He recently filed a brief in support of California's Proposition 8, which is interesting given the hullabaloo about asst. AG Andrew Shirvell. I think that kind of thing, along with his opposition to the health care bill, accomplishments, and so on, could be neatly encapsulated in one section, rather than laid out as separate items.11 Arlington (talk) 05:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: revision needed

message: Some very excited person has written a number of paragraphs, complete with typos, poor grammar and ALL CAPS, essentially insinuating that Cox was impeding justice or covering up the murder of Tamara Greene. I have shortened this. People who want to read more about the unsolved case can go to Greene's or Kwame Kilpatrick's articles.11 Arlington (talk) 05:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The shortened version is much, much better. Including this much detail and speculation is a violation of Wikipedia's Neutral Point of View policy, specifically Undue Weight. We are also violating Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons as this material is poorly sourced from old TV news reports. In addition these paragraphs are written in an extremely opinionated fashion. It is not acceptable to write things like 'he can also be seen smugly giving his "Urban Legend" speech at the end of the news story', 'Mike Cox stammers out an excited denial', etc.   Rhobite (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone over the Manoogian Mansion section to take out some of the worst POV statements. This paragraph was brutally sarcastic in its treatment of Cox. Please talk here before reverting - happy to discuss. Rhobite (talk) 02:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Revised mayor's party section for NPOV

message: I have semi-protected the article, preventing edits by new or anonymous editors, for the next 3 days due to violations of WP:BLP, our Wikipedia policy on biographical articles.  Content discussions on the talk page are welcome, of course.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 20:38, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was:  Moved to Mike Cox (U.S. politician), as well as Michael Cox (politician) to Michael Cox (New Zealand politician) No such user (talk) 14:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Mike Cox → ? –  or  or ? Not more significant or popular than Mike Cox (American football) or other people named Michael Cox. Edit: The name "Mike Cox" must redirect to the "Michael Cox" disambiguation page. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 20:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I added another request accordingly. --George Ho (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

text:  "Mike" and "Michael" are distinctive enough; why extra precision? --George Ho (talk) 07:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  This Mike Cox is also called "Michael" Detroit Free Press (the major Detroit newspaper) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

text:  Were you not aware of Mike Cox (American football)? --George Ho (talk) 10:14, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *I was not aware of Mike Cox football. I made a mistake in my comment. I support adding the "Attorney" to the name article because like you said, there is a football player with the same name. My bad! CookieMonster755 (talk) 01:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: * I struck out a vote for you; is that fine, CookieMonster755? George Ho (talk) 18:53, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes that Is fine, Thanks for the fix, George Ho! ---CookieMonster755 (talk) 20:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Comment: I did not redirect  to Michael Cox, as it should be, because of ~40 mainspace links to Special:Whatlinkshere/Mike Cox. I'll leave that to any good soul which would volunteer to retarget them. I did fix the Michael Cox per MOSDAB. No such user (talk) 14:51, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
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