Talk:Jimmy Eat World

message: They are emo (I guess) but I also would label them as post-grunge. Their newer material kinda reflects it. Plus I found a source. :DRaikiriChidori (talk) 22:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are definitely NOT emo. Come on. Emo music reflects death and the band wear makeup and cut themselves. I can't believe so many otherwise good wikipedia editors believe that all pop punk and alt rock bands are emo. This is completely false and too many people think it is true. Just listen to the band's newer music. It sounds completely different from emo and even from what most people think of emo as today. Calling this band emo is insulting them to the highest degree. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ (talk) 01:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: What, are you kidding? Before you criticize an entire, well-respected genre like that, at least know what you're talking about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.101.163 (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah who am I kidding? They aren't emo. I just said they were (I guess) as to not start an argument. Yeah, they're not emo, people. There is another genre in which emotional lyrics apply: post-grunge. If you don't believe me, read this article. It will convince you otherwise. RaikiriChidori (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Just to be clear....

message: I don't know what you are talking about, but I added the name of the latest album.--Origami dragon 23:18, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Future albums

message: WTF?
There was nothing wrong with my edit of the Good To Go EP.
Why call it rubbish... thats just mean. -- 195.194.178.252
:You copied the text off another article (via your browser) then just pasted it all as text.  Seriously, you even copied and pasted the "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" from the top of the page, as well as the "Edit" Wiki editing links, and left it in there.  
:See for yourself, your edit: 
:Now, compare to how it looks now: Good to Go EP
:I understand if you're new to Wiki, but please learn the proper code techniques before starting an article.  Pick a couple of long articles, click "edit this page", and do nothing but look at how the pages are written and how things are oriented.  Your last edit of this page included several Wiki goofs.
:Also: articles (a, an, the) and prepositions (of, on, to) are not capitalized in titles.  (There are exceptions if the preposition is used adverbially, as in "Stay On" or "Hold On".)  I know that people do it where they capitalize every word, but that's not the accepted standard. -- ChrisB 20:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edit. 

message: Why is this album not mentioned on the first part of the article?
I just double checked, and it is mentioned, but not linked. I'll try to rewrite the paragraph.
.-Zingazin 17:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Eat World (1994) 

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message: I disagree with their debut album being called an emulation of punk-rock influences. Is it being claimed that the album sounds more like The Sex Pistols and Ramones than late 80s/early 90s college rock like Husker Du's last album? 
"most major-label bands were ostracized from the underground as "sell-outs"" is a dubious claim. Most major label bands were ignored by the underground because the kind of music they played was irrelevant to it, however bands that had underground cred to begin with have never typically lost it for signing to a major. 
I disagree with the claim that Bleed American is a more emo-influenced song than A Praise Chorus. I assume this distinction is based on vocals? The vocal performance on Bleed American has no specific relevence to historical emo vocals styles, although it could be claimed to be "emotional". The chiming guitars and dynamics on A Praise Chorus however do have particular relevence to 90s emo playing styles.
"Jimmy Eat World continued to be referred to as an "emo" band, meaning that the term "emo" began to describe something completely different and more mainstream than what existed in the 90s". Yeah, just like Sunny Day Real Estate being called emo in the 90s meant that the term began to describe something completely different and more mainstream than what existed in the 80s. I think the term "completely" is an exaggeration and should be removed or elaborated on.  149.135.107.165 18:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The contentious statements that you're concerned about are not currently sourced in the article; if no sources can be found to back these statements, they can and should be removed. Several do seem like plausible statements that a reviewer might have made, though, so it's possible that sources will be found. Of course, if there are sources that are in disagreement with these statements, those can be invoked to provide a balanced view, as well. Antelan talk 18:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  my two cents 

message: I think the article could use a list of their official music videos. A lot of other band articles or discography articles have these and it is a helpful reference. That's what I was looking for but couldn't find one. Just a suggestion. --IllaZilla 18:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music videos?

message: Hello, I believe the justification you gave for the removal of pop-punk as a genre for Jimmy Eat World is insufficient. I’m not debating whether or not the band is considered emo, in fact, if you check some of the article’s history, you will see that I have frequently fought for its inclusion. That said, I believe (and the source provided agrees) that Jimmy Eat World do have strong elements of pop-punk in their music. Several other band articles in wikipedia have various genres listed for the band (ie The Offspring, Green Day) Jacknife737 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever you said about "emo" is irrelevant.  Jimmy Eat World is not popularly recognized as a pop-punk band.  Even if they were, you've got to find a better source than a negative (and poorly-written) review: WP:RS.  Regardless, whatever pop-punk style they have fits comfortably under the umbrella of "alternative rock". -- ChrisB (talk) 02:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Jimmy Eat World are popularly recognized as pop punk. I agree the source previously included was poorly-written and unreliable, but it doesn't matter if it's negative or not. We are supposed to be aiming for neutrality here. I added 2 reliable sources so it shouldn't be removed again. ╦ﺇ₥₥€Ԋ(talk/contribs) 03:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, I would argue that Jimmy Eat World are in fact widely recognized as a pop-punk band. Secondly, Chart (magazine) is a prominent Canadian based publication, and I hardly think a single spelling error suddenly invalidates its content. Furthermore, there is nothing under WP:RS that should prevent the reference from being included within the article, Chart is a third party, published and relatively reliable source. Just because you do not like what the source says, does not mean that it is somehow invalid. Jacknife737 (talk) 07:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's one thing if it were a Chart article about the band.  But it's one guy's paragraph review of the album.  That's not a reliable source.  Plus, given Tim's sources, it's completely unnecessary. -- ChrisB (talk) 18:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm fine with how it is, but ChrisB, I’d appreciate that next time you decide to move a comment of mine, you’d let me know afterwards. Take care, and happy editing. Jacknife737 (talk) 18:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm with the guy at the top. Maybe they have a post-grunge sensability. 71.203.146.98 (talk) 15:48, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy Eat World Genre 

message: Seriously, this is among the worst rewrites I've ever seen on Wikipedia.
1) Many of the sources fail WP:RS.  Songfacts is not a reliable source, and neither is CD Universe (among others).  Furthermore, most of these cites are completely unnecessary.  We don't need to cite that Static Prevails was released in 1996, as the information is not controversial and cannot be challenged for veracity.
2) The rewrite contains incredibly poor grammar, with countless run-on sentences.  Honestly, it reads like somebody's grade eight English assignment.  
3) The rewrite contains several POV statements, such as "with British new-comers Hard-Fi replacing unfortunately Simple Plan", "the band performed at one of the largest gigs the United Kingdom has ever seen" (unlike every other band that has filled Milton Keynes), etc.
4) The rewite also contains several statements that are COMPLETELY FALSE.  Clarity was not a "big hit" - it wasn't even successful.  Capitol didn't promote it, and dropped them a few months after its release.  And Jimmy Eat World never had a deal with Drive-Thru Records - they released the self-titled EP on Fueled by Ramen.
Worst of all, the rewrite was completely unnecessary.  Everything in the article as it currently stands is factually accurate (and is siginificantly more detailed than the rewrite).  The problem is that it's mostly unsourced.  The correct course of action is to add cites for the existing material, not replace it with a wholly inferior new version. -- ChrisB (talk) 02:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The rewrite is COMPLETELY unacceptable

message: Can someone please tell me why people consider Jimmy Eat World "Emo"!?
Usually people are ignorant and classify a band's genre as "Emo"  simply  if they wear black and/or have hair in their face,  but they don't. Which means they must actually be listening to their music.
But I still don't understand.  Their music is pretty upbeat.  If music doesn't have emotion in it,  then it must be sang by robots or machines.
Even the heavy metal bands that hate "Emo" have emotion in their music-- anger.
:NewYorkStyledCheesecakes (talk) 16:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Asking the editors and journalists of the New York Times, Village Voice or Rolling Stone would be the only way to know that. --neon white talk 17:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

text: No crap, of course they're not emo in most of our eyes. Just the people that matter, the journos, "experts", all label them emo, so there's not much we can do. kiac (talk) 03:27, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  They were, in fact, always known as an emo band in the mid nineties. Both the band and emo may have moved in different directions but they are still considered a major emo band. --neon white talk 12:59, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't believe how much of a fight is being put up against Jimmy Eat World being called Emo.  Clarity is considered, according to the article, a landmark album to modern emo.  Regardless of whether they are anymore, or how emo has evolved, they were at the forefront of emo for years, before it became a derogatory term.  And if emo hadn't evolved, Futures would still be widely considered an emo album.  And an awesome one at that. 136.181.195.10 (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't understand!!

message: I've noticed that a huge number of bands (pop punk, indie, punk, etc) have claimed that they've been influenced by Jimmy Eat World.  I think this should be added.  Saying that they influence a lot of today's younger bands is a big compliment and probably interesting information to readers.
Jmh010 (talk) 02:53, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  claimed influences from other bands 

message: This article used to be lengthy and jam packed with information, now it is just absolute basic stuff you can find on their website and in their fan base.  This isn't some small band that does gigs in their neighborhood!  These guys have a platinum album and a gold album out, that's an accomplishment!  The first section has one short sentence, that's it!  Put some detail into this, make people want to be interested by this page and this band!--Samushi101 (talk) 22:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a lot better with the new change!--Samushi101 (talk) 06:30, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thankyou. I was just going to say when i read this last week, you should be bold and make some changes yourself, i know it's dissapointing when an article loses it's touch because of vandalism, etc. But the only way it gets fixed is if someone puts in, sitting on the sidelines criticising doesn't work. Well it did here cause it spurred me to write the lead ;) Actually i've just seen that the lead was partly deleted, i might look into incorporating that back into the article. Sweet. kiac (talk) 08:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Boring Article

message: The articles on Jimmy Eat World's band members have been deleted and redirect to this page, why is that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.61.168 (talk) 05:06, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Read wikipedia's policy on the Notability of things related to music and bands, it reads: "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article.". kiac (talk) 08:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirection

message: A new genre?
All Music Guide: Emo-Pop
Or a way to separate the new emo bands from the old?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.61.168 (talk) 03:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Emo-Pop

message: how come the discography doesn't have a section for jimmy eat world's many splits.they're even referred to in the split record article about they're releases.all the other indie/emo bands had a section for them so why not jimmy eat world?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirvanarox55 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page only shows general discography information - Studio albums, because they are the main releases. A more specific look at JEW's releases can be viewed here: Jimmy Eat World discography. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 13:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splits 

message: I mean that's what their old stuff really is, not as much Emo.  Like really, why isn't Post-emo on this website?  It'd cover bands like Cap'n Jazz and stuff too.
Why EMO?
:Emo because multiple, many multiple reliable sources, have said this. It is not up to us to go "No, no, my favourite band is not emo, it's gonna wreck my cred and rep bros!" Wikipedia requires us to use what they say, so that's what we will do. We're not making up crappy genres just to tend to someones need for more freaking categorisation and diversity. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 14:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Was that a reply to the post-emo thing? Because post-emo is a real genre that consists of the more indie sounding emo rockers of the nineties like Cap'n Jazz and Texas is the Reason.  I'm somewhat suggesting that a page be made for it, although its not that widespread of a genre. However there are other less-known genres on Wikipedia.  And calling them emo is not wrecking real anyone's cred, its just not really their genre.  I can't really make a stub on post-emo though, i don't know enough about it, so i guess this somewhat a plea, someone make a post-emo page please.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.117.29.189 (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Post-emo? 

message: Jim adkins custom tele model aught to be in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.168.245.217 (talk) 04:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ja-90 telecaster 

message: Pop rock seems unneeded, as power pop is a subgenre of pop rock. And most of their pop rock songs do fall into power pop.
Also, Jimmy Eat World should have final say on "emo", and they say they aren't: http://rockdirt.com/jimmy-eat-world-cant-shake-emo-tag/11875/. They don't consider themselves an emo band, so we should respect that and not include it the genres. I'm removing "emo" from the infobox on all Jimmy Eat World pages. Rocker10000 (talk) 01:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm reverting your mass genre changes. Numerous reliable sources classify Jimmy Eat World as a leading emo act. Statements by the band that they don't care for that label are irrelevant: the fact remains that numerous critics and music journalists place them in that category. The very source you cite is titled "Jimmy Eat World Can't Shake Emo Tag". Please do not make mass changes to genres based on your own point of view. --IllaZilla (talk) 23:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say it's relevant. The most reliable source is the band itself. They say they aren't emo, and don't want to be lumped in with it. It's not just based on my point of view. It's based on theirs, and the one that should be considered the music. It's not like their claiming to be a polka fusion band or something like that. They are just claiming that they aren't emo. That's not necessarily something that is obviously not true. Plus, if you look, emo was originally a subgenre of hardcore punk. I think we can all agree that Jimmy Eat World is not a hardcore act. And your argument about the genres, they might consider themselves a rock group but they never said anything against alternative rock, pop-punk, power pop, or whatever else people are calling them. They just don't consider themselves an "emo" band. They never said "we never considered ourselves an alternative rock band", so a reliable source can remain reliable, but Jimmy Eat World is the most reliable source you can get.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocker10000 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, it does not matter if the band dislikes being called emo. That is completely irrelevant. The most reliable sources are reliable secondary sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Numerous such sources (music journalists, critics, historians, etc.) have described Jimmy Eat World as emo and have commented on their importance to the genre. Andy Greenwald, for example, followed the band on tour for his book Nothing Feels Good: Punk Rock, Teenagers, and Emo and devoted an entire chapter to them. Genres are generally applied by secondary sources such as critics and music journalists, not by the artists themselves, and you cannot refute the fact that numerous such sources have over the years categorized Jimmy Eat World as emo. If you read the emo article, you will learn that although it originated from hardcore punk in the 1980s, its style and definition have shifted and evolved over time. Most emo artists today (and even in the '90s) were not hardcore bands, but that does not refute the fact that they are/were considered emo by critics, journalists, and historians. You (and the band) are entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:22, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Rock/Emo Label 

message: The article mentions that there are seven studio albums (where the article Jimmy Eat World discography claims that there are six). I am not sure, if we should count the self titled or not, allmusic.com does not list it officially. Cekay1 (talk) 21:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems like the other article is incorrect as, prior to the release of Damage in June 2013, seven albums have been released by the band. I will look at the albums article.--Soulparadox (talk) 12:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! --Cekay1 (talk) 22:07, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six or Seven Studio Albums? 

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message: I herd he's jewish. i read in rolling stone mag. adn on the itnernet
illl find the site after my heart surgery
I'm pretty sure he's not Jewish, he writes and does a few covers of christmas songs, such as 12.23.95, and Last Christmas.--Samushi101 (talk) 15:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
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