Talk:Mondegreen

message: Additions made without citations are rightfully subject to deletion.  But rather than subjective judgments of what's a minor example, why noyt consider separating out a list and keeping only, say, three top examples per genre.  No one is forced to read such a list who does not wish to do so.μηδείς (talk) 02:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what you mean -- I think I did keep the top examples -- such judgments necessarily being somewhat subjective -- by keeping those that had the best sources (again subjective, but preferring mainstream print to blogs), and yes, arbitrarily limiting the number: the purpose of the list is illustration, not archive/catalogue. Let's reject the approach of "nobody has to read it" -- that's what produces endless trivia lists like the mention of every great dane in every cartoon, movie and Lady Gaga video at Great Dane. Moving away from mere trivia, the Urban Legend article's consensus was finally against a list of all UL's (even those with articles at Wikipedia) -- you might consider creating a list page, as was suggested there. Additionally, this article has long carried a notice warning about injudicious additions. How about you identify those you think are crucial? Do users really need the Rugrats and Simpsons items in order to grasp the concept, its subtleties and variations? Get some third-party consensus on the worthiness of a given item, and we'll keep the article focussed DavidOaks (talk) 11:27, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That something be truly crucial is not a WP policy - just your subjective judgment, no more weighty than than the opinion of the original contributing editor.  Aa I said, feel free to delete all unreferenced examples.  Then we can look at your reasons for deleting referenced ones.μηδείς (talk) 14:09, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Medeis, you're doing mass reverts  -- in fact, did it twice -- encompassing other edits as well; this is really bad form, and it's getting close to edit warring. Please be selective, and moreover be mindful of WP:3RR. You've got wikipolicy precisely backwards -- note that the burden of proof is upon those wishing to include challenged material -- you have been asked twice to take this to the talk page and make a case for those items you feel advance understanding of the subject. It is not my job to supply refs or to explain the necessity of Rugrats references to clarify a literary form.  Finally, observe that in fact the consensus thus far is for keeping the list trim -- have a look at the hidden comments. DO NOT restore these items without making a case for their importance, and ideally securing some additional support. It's how the process works, ok? DavidOaks (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is unfortunate that you have not distinguished in your edit between referenced and non-referenced examples.  As it stands your first edit summary was misleading, and I don't have the time today to do your work for you.  Please simply remove only the unreferenced examples you want removed, and I will not revert you.  Until then, I remind you of 3RR as well.μηδείς (talk) 21:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

text: I deleted the reference to the cover of "Twisted" by Joni Mitchell. I could find no source that confirmed it was a misheard 'mondegreen' rather than a flubbed line by Mitchell. Also the original referenced webpage has been removed. It just doesn't seem to be notable. Tumacama (talk) 00:44, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an earlier idea to have a separate page "List of Mondegreens" is a good one, as it would allow the main page to be pared down. Arrivisto (talk) 12:40, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paring the list 

message: Following the link in the first citation, " "Mondegreens" - Commonly Misheard Song Lyrics" just takes you to the Yahoo! front page, so it seems pretty clear the original page does not exist any more. Perhaps someone can either find an archived copy? Magidin (talk) 22:19, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  First citation link does not seem to exist any more 

message: I will leave it to more experienced Wikipedians than me to add these additional film mondegreens, if they qualify. (1) In "Mermaids", Winona Ryder's character Charlotte, a Jewish girl who wants to become a Catholic nun: "dominos and biscuits" instead of the latin "dominus vobiscum" ("the Lord be with you"). (2) In an Olympia Dukakis film (perhaps "Moonstruck" or "Cemetery Club"?), at an after-funeral reception, a few children are playing under a dining room table, and one says: "and lead us not into Penn Station" instead of "and lead us not into temptation" from the Lord's prayer. Peterpqa (talk) 16:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  More film mondegreens 

message: As I suggest above, I have created a new page, List of Mondegreens.  I think it is appropriate to use the new page to list good examples, while pruning the main article. Arrivisto (talk) 15:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Mondegreens 

message: I don't think the song can be said to have a "standard" version.  In any case, the original words are still often used.  Kostaki mou (talk) 17:22, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sometimes, the modified version of a lyric becomes standard, as is the case with "The Twelve Days of Christmas" 

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message: The last paragraph in the Non-English Language section is about Bikicsunáj, a Hungarian mishearing of the song "Big in Japan". My best guess is that this is a soramimi, not a mondegreen, as it was based on mishearing a lyric in another language. Comments on this? Paulmlieberman (talk) 20:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the English term for this phenomenon is mondegreen, regardless of the language being heard or the language it is misinterpreted in.  Tayste (edits) 21:18, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The leads of both Mondegreen and Soramimi distinguish the two, and it seems a useful distinction to keep. The other examples in the Mondegreen#Non-English language section are all mishearings in the original language. Qwfp (talk) 08:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mondegreen or Soramimi? 

message: As we all know, the song examples section of this article can easily get out of hand. I have rearranged it a bit (putting the "standardized and recorded" variants in a separate subjection) and removed a couple of less important examples. 
I suspect the most controversial removal (among American editors of a certain age, at least) will be Louie Louie, which I maintain is not a good example for this article because there's no single mondegreen attached to it. The lyrics were a mumbled mess and people misinterpreted them in many ways, but not with any single "wrapped up in a douche" kind of error. So I say it should be removed to make way for more clear-cut examples. 
Others may disagree, which is why I removed it as a separate edit, different than the other edits I made to the subsection. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 17:57, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louie Louie 

message: Someone add an example of Seven_Wonders_(song). Explanation in the second paragraph. Slamazzar (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fleetwood Mac 

message: Nederlandse Leeuw, thank you for adding the section on Dutch language. I have to say, though, that your example may not technically be a mondegreen; it may be a soramimi, as the verse you mention seems to be in a language from Cameroon (see Soul Makossa). Paulmlieberman (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dutch language example 

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message: Today, March 5, has seen a short description added to this article, and then changed several times in attempts to improve it (see the article history).
* First it was: "Confusing a prhase(sic) hesard(sic)".
* Next: "Confusing a heard phrase with a similar-sounding one".
* Then: "Confusing an overheard phrase with a similar-sounding one".
* I have put in my two cents with: "A phrase that a listener hears, replacing the actual, similar-sounding spoken or sung phrase."
Some may argue that the mondegreen phrase (e.g. "'scuse me while I kiss this guy") is not actually heard, but others would argue that what is heard is not the raw sound phenomenon, but a string of words, the result of considerable processing by the human brain (see Steven Connor's discussion, referenced in the Psychology section of the article). "If a song is sung wrong in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a mondegreen?" (cf. If a tree falls in a forest)
 
I am of course, as a loyal drinker of the Wikipedia kool-aid, quite ready to entertain any improvements on this text.    Paulmlieberman (talk) 19:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you could ditch the "actual" - that's a pretty long phrase for a short description! - but as the writer of one of the not-quite-right previous examples, it seems fine. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 20:49, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "actual" is important; see my latest mod. BTW, how is the short description actually used in WP? Paulmlieberman (talk) 22:27, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wikipedia's mobile interface uses descriptions to augment searches, and the Wikipedia App also uses them below each article title." from WP:Short description - DavidWBrooks (talk) 23:40, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

text: "Malentendu" is mentioned nowhere on this page, incredibly.
ConradArchguy (talk) 00:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short Description 

message: I just noticed that the bulk of the In Songs section was removed by an anonymous user in Oct. 2019. Given that most readers' experiences with mondegreens is in songs, I think this material is needed. I have restored it, and updated and added to the citations in the section. I think this is a good balance.Paulmlieberman (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples in songs 

message: I have removed this from the "Examples" section:
:;Japanese
:The 2019 song  (Exchange Student) by pop-rock band Monkey Majik and singer Taiiku Okazaki is primarily sung in English, but also features Japanese lyrics, both sung and displayed as subtitles in the music video; these lyrics are very similar phonetically to the English lyrics. In this way, the song is both a traditional love ballad in English and the lament of a discouraged exchange student in Japanese. For example, the lines "You gotta stay / Hey, I need you here babe / I messed up, should've known last time I met ya" become " /  / " (meaning "Exchange student / My room is 20 square meters / I want to drink miso soup very much").
This song was purposefully written with different meanings in different languages, so it is not an example of a mondegreen, which is someone mishearing. --Atkinson (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Japanese eggs sample 

message: The clip available on the BBC site is cut off; the original concludes with an intentional-mondegreen-laden song. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:07, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Ronnies Morris dancers 

message: Stewart Parker's 1975 play, televised in 1979 by ITV to critical acclaim by TV's Clive James and based on a joke by Groucho Marx.  Misheard lyric of “I'm A Dreamer, Aren’t We All”.  Worth a mention? Mr Larrington (talk) 12:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm A Dreamer Montreal =

message: Long ago, I learned that lovely song known popularly as "Danny Boy," was more properly known by the rather rude name "The London Derriere." I couldn't quite accept that. Happily, I later learned that  I'd interpreted the spoken name incorrectly. WHPratt (talk) 19:25, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Londonderry Air 

message: If you look at the top of this Talk page, you'll notice that the pageviews for Mondegreen exploded in early February, 2022, peaking at 34,666 views on Feb. 9. It's still getting more pageviews than usual. Does anybody know why? I tried news.google.com, and google.com with a one month time period, but...no joy. I'm just so curious!!! Paulmlieberman (talk) 19:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I found it!!! The Feb. 6 LA Times crossword had Mondegreens as the theme: https://crosswordcorner.blogspot.com/2022/02/sunday-february-6-2022-peter-koetters.html Paulmlieberman (talk) 19:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why did we get over 55,000 pageviews June 25, 2022? 

message: How about adding a section on ‘When I met you in the summer?’ and other misheard song lyrics that are becoming popular in memes?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40A:8400:10E0:4418:A6E1:6412:BF7D (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Example 

message: Kelly was famous, in his Pogo comics series, for inventing intentional mondegreens on the printed page.  His best-known examples are "Deck us all with Boston Charlie" for "Deck the Halls with boughs of holly," and "Wade on a pond, a swan he rover" for "Way down upon the Swannee River."  I don't know how to fix up the page to include these types of things. 2601:5CC:C900:345:1104:9C8E:B782:B57 (talk) 01:53, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walt Kelly 

message: Here in Australia we have/ had an extremely popular music quiz show....ABC TV's 'Spicks and Specks' had an occasional but recurring segment called 'Mondegreens' where the contestants tried to guess the correct lyrics, given a Mondegreen. 49.182.73.161 (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture? 

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thread_title:  "France is bacon" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: The drummer drops one of his sticks at approximately fifty-four seconds into the song, and does use an "F" expletive. 98.16.9.174 (talk) 00:08, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Louie, louie 

message: Steve Miller's use of an unknown word, eternalizing it as "pompatus" in the lyrics of his popular song "The Joker" left a generation of listeners clueless. Often it got understood as "puppeteers". Compare wp article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pompatus to Miller's info by himself: https://wzlx.iheart.com/featured/kenny-young/content/2019-10-15-steve-miller-reveals-what-the-pompatus-of-love-really-means/ 2003:C0:DF40:A800:1CF8:EDDB:7335:35D (talk) 09:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steve Miller - The Joker 

message: Phish is naming their 2024 festival Mondegreen 65.24.225.7 (talk) 02:55, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phish