Talk:Pescennius Niger

message: "History is written by the victors" is a cautionary proverb, not an instructive one. Surely we do not have to call all the losers in Caesarian self-elections Usurpers. Anarchangel (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If he was a black man in the sense from Africa then he would say Gaetulian Equestrian not Italian Equestrian just like how there are Gallic Equestrians and so on.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cauca50 (talk • contribs) 01:30, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usurper? 

message: Again an editor has chosen to interpret Dio's report of a dream: "And this evidently was the meaning of the priest's dream. 2 It seems that while Severus was in Pannonia the priest of Jupiter in a dream saw a black man force his way into the emperor's camp and come to his death by violence; and by interpreting the name of Niger people recognized that he was the black man in question."https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/75*.html This neither affirms nor denies anything whatever about Pescennius Niger's skin color. It is a dream interpretation using a play upon words, and reinterpreting it as saying that it describes Pescennius Niger's skin colour is to indulge in original, and far-fetched, research. If you can show a consensus of reliable sources to support whatever argument you want to make, great, it can go in to our article. But until then, it really can't. At this edit I have again removed it. Richard Keatinge (talk) 16:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: At this edit I have made appropriate use of Cassius Dio as a primary source. Richard Keatinge (talk) 10:24, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Dio, the priest of Jupiter's dream, and blackness again

message: Pescennius was called Niger because in Antioch, Jews were being called Niger. There are historical records that document other Israelites being called Niger as well. 
Reference King James Version, 
Book of Acts 13:1 - “Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, G3526 and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.”
Strong’s Definitions
Νίγερ Níger, neeg'-er; of Latin origin; black; Niger, a Christian:—Niger.
KJV Translation Count — Total: 1x
The KJV translates Strong's G3526 in the following manner: Niger (1x).
During this time, many Israelites were also citizens of Rome. The Apostle Paul is documented in scripture, being a Roman citizen. 
Reference King James Version - 
Book of Acts 22:25-27
25 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned?
26 When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman.
27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea. 
The Apostle Paul also makes it clear that he is an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin. 
Reference King James Version- Book of Philippians 3:5  
“Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;”
King James Version - Romans 11:1
“I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.”
Common English Bible - Acts 21:39 
39 Paul replied, “I’m a Jew from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of an important city. Please, let me speak to the people.”
Conclusion: Pescennius Niger was a Jew because only Israelites were being called Niger in Antioch. History proves other Israelites were also being called Niger in Antioch and it’s clear that Niger means Black. Pescennius was an Israelite, a Jew, and yes they are black men, but he may have been a lover of Rome instead of the faith. 
 
Glory to The Highest. 2601:4C0:8001:8750:E8CA:1CAC:7CA6:4128 (talk) 10:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pescennius Niger was a Jew 

message: The name Pescennius sounds like something to do with fish, if not fish, does anyone know the meaning? 
A dark compexion and maybe learned to swim at a very young age and so named Black Fish?! I assume that last sentance is not true though.
Middle More Rider (talk) 19:16, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name