Talk:Xianbei

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Wiki Pokemon 02:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Manchuria

message: Please refer to Template talk:History of Manchuria for relevant discussions and consensus. Cydevil38 12:05, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On [[WP:NCGN]] and "Manchuria" 

message: "They first became a significant part of Chinese culture during the Han Dynasty, where they occupied the steppes in Mongolia, Hebei and Liaodong."
Is there any logical connectin between the two parts of this sentence?
What's the purpose of the statement saying the "Xianbei became part of Chinese culture". Very unclear. What do you want to imply with that? Gantuya eng (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Han Dynasty" qualifier is necessary because it needs to be known when it was that they were in what is now Mongolia, Hebei, and Liaodong.  Certainly they don't occupy Mongolia, Hebei, and Liaodong now.  If you think they don't connect well, separate them.  Taking out the information that they first came onto the scene in Chinese history during Han Dynasty takes out the timeframe context and makes the several sentences untethered, time-wise.  --Nlu (talk) 07:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you aren't answering my question at all. And why do you revert when the sicussion isn't over? Gantuya eng (talk) 08:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Please don't use personal attack. Don't be rude!!! I don't understand how pertinent it is. Why are you soooo rude? Please don't insult me calling me a "vandal" instead of enlightening me. You are engaged in an edit war , by the way. Be civil. If you can't discuss an issue peacefully, I'm not gonna waste my time with you. Unwatching the page. Gantuya eng (talk) 08:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Because everyone who tries to establish something on Chinese lands will eventually be assimilated into the strong Chinese culture. Manchu identity is very weak today and they were emperors for 300 years. Xianbei were nomadic and they adopted the Chinese way of setting up dynasties. --94.134.89.145 (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Part of Chinese culture?

message: There has been two anonymous user(s) (first 58.106.230.131, and now 81.214.153.182) who added an online Britannica article's link  to this article.  In my opinion, this Britannica link is not a credible nor factual source for this article because: 1) it suggested that the tuoba clan of Xianbei was "Turkish speaking" (not "Turkic speaking" in which the anonymous users twisted the words around), which of course was not possible given the timeline and circumstance of linguistic history, and the fact that we know "Turkish" does not correlates to "Turkic" (i.e. German does not correlates to Germanic). 2) More importantly, this Britannica article is also contradictory to another online Britannica article  about the Xianbei in which it suggested that they were Mongol people instead. 
Note the two articles from the same Encyclopedia Britannica offers two different views on this ethnic group.  That is why these two sources from online Britannica are too contradictory and inconsistent to be used.--TheLeopard (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Library of Congress is a questionable source on subjects related to the far east in general. I have run into conflicts when people copy/use from that source in particular. Benjwong (talk) 04:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The same could be said for every sources, even the most notable and commonly used academic references, considering the Library of Congress is among the world's most prominent and well-established research centers.--TheLeopard (talk) 01:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the past I have been skeptical on that source when others have used it on China related articles. But I understand what you mean. Benjwong (talk) 02:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Anonymous users' edits

message: An anonymous editor 70.107.79.101 has added back a link to an article that has no relation to the current article. The battle which happened in the Xiongnu era isn't relevant to the Xianbei in any way. I have to remove that link. Sorry. Gantuya eng (talk) 00:56, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think in that particular case, I agree with you, but a blanket statement that "happened in the Xiongnu era isn't relevant to the Xianbei in any way" (assume you are intending for it to be a blanket statement, rather than only to that battle) is inaccurate, because the Xiongnu and the Xianbei coexisted in the same geographic region for hundreds of years.  --Nlu (talk) 05:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More Anonymous users' edit

message: From tibetan historian books found another version of the name "Xianbei".The meaning of the word "Sumbe" might be "sumber" because we use word "sumber uul" ( high mountain).Chinese sources says, after Modu chanyu's attack some Donghu people moved to Southern Mongolian Xianbei mountain and the mountain's name became these Donghu's name.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.235.172.69 (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That reconstruction / theory should belong in an etymology section, definitely not as an alternative name in the lead, since it's not used at all. --Cold Season (talk) 19:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Tibetan name "Sumbe" ,  it might be more close to real name of  Xianbei 

message: The Xianbei claimed to be related to the Chinese through descent by the Yellow Emperor
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHeb7wQu0xIC&pg=PA68&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=XT5pvPZ4vroC&pg=PA55&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20yellow%20emperor&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA17&dq=Tabgatch+claimed+descent+from+the+Yellow+Emperor+the+Yuwen+created+for+themselves+a+genealogy+stretching+back+to+the+Divine+Husbandman&hl=en&sa=X&ei=w2ZEU5juCs3YyAGr14GICg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Tabgatch%20claimed%20descent%20from%20the%20Yellow%20Emperor%20the%20Yuwen%20created%20for%20themselves%20a%20genealogy%20stretching%20back%20to%20the%20Divine%20Husbandman&f=false
page 75
http://books.google.com/books?id=-_HpAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg
http://books.google.com/books?id=-_HpAAAAMAAJ&q=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&dq=Because+his+forces+were+victorious+in+this+battle,+the+Yellow+Emperor's+clan+came+to+be+known+by+the+surname+of+%22Bear%22+(Youxiongshi).+The+Weishu+also+states+that+the+Xianbei+were+descended+from+one+of+the+sons+of+the+Yellow+Emperor,&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vj8QUoW1LKeiyAGehYBY&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
page 279
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDXrAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZDXrAAAAMAAJ&q=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&dq=They+have+a+fanciful+history+complete+with+legends+claiming+the+Yellow+Emperor+as+one+of+their+ancestors.2+Although+much+of+Xianbei+culture+is+similar+to+that+of+the+Xiongnu,+there+are+distinct+differences.'+Xianbei+burials+commonly+contain+a&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2D8QUpGGH4iTyQGOn4GgBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
page 4
http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=xianbei+yellow+emperor&dq=xianbei+yellow+emperor&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kjwQUrOJKsqQyAHVsIEw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=FmBmAAAAMAAJ&q=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&dq=The+Taba+Xianbei,+however,+disliked+the+idea+that+they+were+mixed+blood+of+the+Han+and+Xiongnu.+Instead,+they+traced+their+ancestry+to+the+Chinese+legendary+Yellow+Emperor+(Huangdi+H%5E?,+the+symbol+of+%22earth%22+of+the+Five+Elements)+in+order&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6j8QUt3mIaWbygGL6oCwAg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA
Xianbei claimed to be Hua ren and Zhongguo ren. The Xianbei Northern Wei called their own state as "China" (Zhongguo) and sought to portray themselves as Hua ren or Zhongguoren, and started calling the original inhabitants of China by the name "Han ren" so they could be lay claim to the identity of "Hua ren" so "Hua" would not be a monopoly of the Han people.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf
The Non-Han Emperors equated their state with the concept of China(中國).Zhao 2006, p. 7. Non-Han rulers expanded the definition of "China" to include non-Han peoples in addition to Han people, whenever they ruled China.Zhao 2006, p. 6. Yuan, Jin, and Northern Wei documents indicate the usage of "China" by dynasties to refer to themselves began earlier than previously thought.Zhao 2006, p. 24.
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The Xianbei called yogurt (their own ethnic food) as a food of Zhongguo.
Zhongguo
http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA22&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=klUrVN3dB5CwyASRqoGYBA&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ch04UBWfplQC&pg=PA126&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false
Food
http://books.google.com/books?id=QfkWAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HlYrVMu0N8HGsQS2_oD4CA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=6F2XLmIVAaYC&pg=PA66&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_lUrVKK5F4OpyQS5joKwDg&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=CWE8AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qFUrVO7mF5KsyATxj4CQCw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FgtFxedkgbcC&pg=PA511&dq=wang+su+yoghurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pFcrVMboF-L-sATUkoGABw&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yoghurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=AeiIl2y6vJQC&pg=PT638&dq=wang+su+yogurt&hl=en&sa=X&ei=41UrVMP8IYOTyQTbxIIo&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=wang%20su%20yogurt&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=BAcknxN_S8QC&pg=PA80&dq=yogurt+fish+wei&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ylUrVMKRBMSnyATJjIHQBQ&ved=0CCsQ6wEwATgU#v=onepage&q=yogurt%20fish%20wei&f=false
03:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Xianbei claimed to be descended from the Yellow Emperor

message: G.Sukhbaatar was sinologist of Mongolia and he restored some Xianbei words (G.Sukhbaatar, Mongolian history sourcebooks, Volume I, 1991).
*chjichjen (Chinese pronunciation) — Mongolian: tsetsen (wise)
*bidechjen — Mongolian: bicheech (typist)
*chjeguichjen — Middle Mongolian: juuchin Modern Mongolian: zuuchin (letter carrier)
*fuchjen — Middle Mongolian: buurchin. This word used in Secret History of the Mongols. (cook)
*fuchjuchjeni — Mongolian: örtööchin (relay stationist): Ortoo
*hulochjen — Mongolian: horchin (weapon keeper/carrier)
*kebochjen — Mongolian: haalgachin (doorkeeper)
*pudachjien — Mongolian: bogtagchin (woman who keeps noble's clothes) 
*syanchjen — Mongolian: zamchin (guide, middleman)
*tsihaichjen— Mongolian: gesgeegchin (executioner)
*tsivanchjen — Mongolian: helmerch (translator)
*uaichjen — Mongoian: üizen (title of clerk/noble) 
*yanchjen — Mongolian: yamutan Modern Mongolian: yazguurtan (noble)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cethe (talk • contribs) 04:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Xianbei words 

message: We must keep Mongol and Tibetan names in heading section:  
:e-mongol.com: 156 AD Xianbei (Sumbe) defeat Hunnu state and became most powerful in Central Asia. Mongolian website: 
:Rise and fall of Sumbe State: 
:The first state to emerge after the Huns was of the Sumbe, a Mongolian tribe who probably came from the eastern Gobi. The Sumbe State grew powerful and conquered northern China. 
:Nirun State and Tureg State:
:Later, control of the Toba State passed to yet another Mongolian clan, the Nirun. The fate of the Nirun State was rather different. 
:Uigur State and Kidan State:
:Control passed to the Uigur tribe, and the Uigur State became the most powerful in Central Asia, but did not control all of Mongolia. 
:: :The first domination state after the Hun’s collapse was the Sumbe State, which lasted until the 3rd century BC. The Toba finally took over the Sumbe state inn 250 AD and established its own state with a number of tribal allies. Sczc (talk) 06:39, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The name "Sumbe" needs to be used in reliable and independent English secondary sources to merit usage as an English name in the article, thus there was no credible reason to move the article. You just cited a travel website and a bird watching web site from Mongolia, neither of which has sufficient credibility as source. As a foreign name, this name is highly irrelevant to the topic, there's no rational to include "Sumbe" as a WP:DICTDEF. Meanwhile, the English name directly derives from the Chinese name, since that's where most if not all known primary sources use, which makes it relevant. --Cold Season (talk) 22:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you read what i wrote? I'm not talking about moving the article!!! I say we need to keep Mongol and Tibetan names in lead section!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sczc (talk • contribs) 04:32, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't take much common sense to know that I'm talking about exactly that, and even if you didnt.... Well, I have explicitly reffered to this section (which you originally wrote at the move request above) in my edit summary (which you saw when you reverted), so don't play stupid about it, ok?  Neither did you provide a credible rationale or adressed any points (rather choose to ignore) to keep it, so it's mere an irrelevant WP:DICTDEF. --Cold Season (talk) 05:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: i didn't oppose moving, i oppose deleting alternative names. Sczc (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, duh... again with the evasive response. And why are you ignoring the points again, while providing no rationale? You had ample time to respond, rather than yelling "keep this and that". Which you just did again for the xth time (probally because there is no credible rationale from you). Do so, or there's no reason to keep the DICTDEF and may freely be removed.   --Cold Season (talk) 08:07, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Deleting alternative names is vandalism. Sczc (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As per above, you have just resorted to an empty attacking claim (which you know is utter bull), while completely providing no credible rationale or respond to previous points. Nice job, for making me repeat myself for a second time to your nothing (you won't be given a third time). Don't be surprised to see it deleted.  Cold Season (talk) 10:58, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

text: So once again, you have no real reason and still refusing to respond to the above, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Cold Season (talk) 00:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Mongol and Tibetan names 

message: The language of the Tuoba Wei
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2717850
An Ordeal among the T'o-pa Wei
http://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2307/4527092
http://books.google.com/books?id=ugbWH-5OjegC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Elite Lineages and the T'o-pa Accommodation: A Study of the Edict of 495
http://www.jstor.org/stable/3631874
The Lu Clan of Tai Commandery and Their Contribution to the T'o-pa State of Northern Wei in the Fifth Century
http://www.jstor.org/stable/4528299
Identity
http://books.google.com/books?id=9yTFnuWQKvkC&pg=PA335#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ELrRr0L8UOsC&pg=PA335#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHeb7wQu0xIC&pg=PA65&dq=Tuoba+language+mongolic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VafRUpPBPMqrsATv84CoDA&ved=0CEMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20mongolic&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA272&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sajRUt_FC_a2sAT18IGYDQ&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=4-vdP2aZWhUC&pg=PA453#v=onepage&q&f=false
Xianbei language was known as Guoyu
http://books.google.com/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA277&dq=xianbei+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qjRUpduss2xBOj_gPgL&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20guoyu&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=PASE4LVLzQ0C&pg=PA249&dq=xianbei+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qjRUpduss2xBOj_gPgL&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20guoyu&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ugbWH-5OjegC&pg=PA9&dq=xianbei+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qjRUpduss2xBOj_gPgL&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20guoyu&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ERnrQq0bsPYC&pg=PA25&dq=xianbei+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qjRUpduss2xBOj_gPgL&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=xianbei%20guoyu&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=QRdzmz0hXgcC&pg=PA101&dq=tuoba+guoyu&hl=en&sa=X&ei=36jRUpTbIpSssASbh4HwCw&ved=0CEwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=tuoba%20guoyu&f=false
Aristocracy
http://books.google.com/books?id=cjbPmfuo8XMC&pg=PA310&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p6bRUtuPDofKsQTsr4DADQ&ved=0CGAQ6wEwBw#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=wjOyxUzKWLAC&pg=PA310&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=p6bRUtuPDofKsQTsr4DADQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=qY32-zfTU9AC&pg=PA272&dq=Tuoba+language+turkic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PafRUviPJ-alsQSl5oCQDA&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20turkic&f=false
equitable fields system
http://books.google.com/books?id=XT5pvPZ4vroC&pg=PA132&dq=Tuoba+language+mongolic&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VafRUpPBPMqrsATv84CoDA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Tuoba%20language%20mongolic&f=false
Tang dynasty, mixed northwestern aristocracy vs pure northeastern aristocracy. The northwestern aristocray was mixed Xianbei and Han
Do not use the forum as a source.
http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/topic/1614-on-the-ethnicity-of-the-sui-and-tang-emperors/page-16
http://books.google.com/books?id=F3baSe8QlPUC&pg=PA168&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=clma-5EymBkC&pg=PA22&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iKX39fOyvNoC&pg=PA177&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ePBeFRJnE_gC&pg=PA196&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=VIWC9wCX2c8C&pg=PA196&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=F3baSe8QlPUC&pg=PA168&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=iKX39fOyvNoC&pg=PA177&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CFgQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=x3zaRttYiekC&pg=PA520&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Jrv-6_U5gfwC&pg=PT27&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CDEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FJ4PrgBOVwgC&pg=PA148&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=wKpj1YfXfHEC&pg=PA32&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=rTSmYVRYJJcC&pg=PA32&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CEIQ6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=DbfAmvYC3NgC&pg=PA100&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=isIxgPn_zfMC&pg=PA100&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=5brRUuTVBMjmsASrtYKgDA&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBTgK#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=sV48AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA74&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ou-hq_FlQY4C&pg=PA75&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ou-hq_FlQY4C&pg=PA75&dq=northwestern+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3KXRUvqGLI7ksASy5YL4Cw&ved=0CD4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=northwestern%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
Other
http://books.google.com/books?id=RkF2zktvSmcC&pg=PA41&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qJ7RUvvoOIu0sQSE14D4Cw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=zzEUAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GaXRUrTYAeHLsAS2uYHADw&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=n2WKejUSPRgC&pg=PA158&dq=northeast+aristocracy+tang+mixed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HbvRUsfcILOtsATelYHQDA&ved=0CDsQ6wEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=northeast%20aristocracy%20tang%20mixed&f=false
04:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Moderators please be aware. Wikipedia SOCKPUPPET accounts WHO EDITS EVERYTHING WITH A PRO-TURKIC BIAS VIEW.  He is the same person who had been blocked/banned but comes back to edit Turkic origins on what he wants.
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/5.112.183.249
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.95.8.240
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/212.95.8.187
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.229.190.37
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.171.130.114  
it is the same person who is ALWAYS edits anything with Turkic origins and rejects any other theories that is non-Turkic. He pro-Turkic nationalist and biasly edit everything as having pro Turkic origin and tried to edit Northern wei as Turkic dynasty, Xianbei and it's people as Turkic but reject every other theories and doesn't allow anything that is different to it. He still does this despite his edits being removed many times he uses different ip address to keep editing Turkic origins for everything he wants.
  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.192.16 (talk) 17:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia editor sockpuppet using more many IP different accounts 

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message: Is the name of this people also sometimes spelled Xianbi? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 19:04, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Also [[Xianbi]]?

message: At the end of the Three Kingdoms section, the article states:  In 279, the Xianbei made one last attack on Liang Province but they were defeated by Ma Long. For some reason, Ma Long is an intentional link to a disambiguation page. Wikipedia does not have an article about this Ma Long, and the cited source does not mention Ma Long either; in fact, the entire book does not mention the Xianbei at all. I can't find anything about a warlord called Ma Long online, either. Unless someone can find a source that supports this statement (and identifies Ma Long) it might be best to remove the sentence (or the mention of Ma Long). Lennart97 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I've hidden the entire sentence (i.e. between ). It can be displayed again if and when someone finds a proper source. Lennart97 (talk) 12:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ma Long 

message: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Menggu (talk • contribs) 15:20, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  explain 

message: .Sukhbaatar was sinologist of Mongolia and he restored some Xianbei words (G.Sukhbaatar, Mongolian history sourcebooks, Volume I, 1991).
Some word similar with Turkish word too
chjichjen (Chinese pronunciation) — Mongolian: tsetsen (wise)
bidechjen — Mongolian: bicheech (typist)
chjeguichjen — Middle Mongolian: juuchin Modern Mongolian: zuuchin (letter carrier)
fuchjen — Middle Mongolian: buurchin. This word used in Secret History of the Mongols. (cook) Türk: Burcin
fuchjuchjeni — Mongolian: örtööchin (relay stationist): Ortoo Türk: Orta
hulochjen — Mongolian: horchin (weapon keeper/carrier) Türk Hortcu
kebochjen — Mongolian: haalgachin (doorkeeper) Türk: Halkaci Halkacu
pudachjien — Mongolian: bogtagchin (woman who keeps noble's clothes) Türk: Bagdakci bağlamak örgucu
syanchjen — Mongolian: zamchin (guide, middleman)
tsihaichjen— Mongolian: gesgeegchin (executioner) Türk: Keskenci modern: Kesici
tsivanchjen — Mongolian: helmerch (translator)
uaichjen — Mongoian: üizen (title of clerk/noble) yazan
yanchjen — Mongolian: yamutan Modern Mongolian: yazguurtan Türk: yazıcu yazicı yazdıran (noble) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cethe (talk • contribs) 04:52, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xianbei Words (Modern Türk: Hanbeyi) 

message: In terms of consistency, it's odd that the Xianbei and their state are separate articles while their counterparts, the Xiongnu and their empire, are compiled into a single article. I'd argue that there's vastly more information about the Xiongnu empire than the Xianbei state that would warrant it such treatment, but I find that the content on the Xiongnu article have been adequate at addressing both the people and their empire. Admittedly, someone else could argue this point better than me, but in terms of the Xianbei as a "State", they were only (and very briefly) a unified polity under Tanshihuai, Helian and Kuitou, with very little information regarding the last two's reigns. Besides, most of the information of the Xianbei State article are already mentioned in some way on the Xianbei article, with the exception of the "Culture" section, which can easily be intergrated and seem more approriate here. Zangxuangao (talk) 15:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Support per precedent of Xiongnu Gazingo (talk) 03:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Support seems the sensible option. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:03, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Support per nom. Almost all of the topics discussed at Xianbei state are already covered here. Esiymbro (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal