Talk:Derbion

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message: I didn't look at the article history when I did the move, and the page move log didn't show a move back. I was puzzled to see that it had already been moved but went ahead. I see that User:Davey2010 moved it back a few days ago citing WP:COMMONNAME and numerous discussions elsewhere. A Google search shows over 100,000 hits for "Intu Derby" and a search on Google news shows 13 hits for Intu, only 1 for Westfield and that is mentioning the opening of Westfield Derby in 2007. Anyone searching using the Westfield name will end up on the Intu Derby page. I couldn't find "numerous discussions elsewhere" and they really should have been here or linked here (I did check here before I did the move). I'm convinced that common name and common sense support the move, but if someone starts an RM and there's a decision to move it back, fine. Dougweller (talk) 10:48, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: - There was a discussion here, here and here - I'm not going to move war over it but I will say this (and I said this on my TP) - Someone really ought to start an RFC or something to clear the confusion up!. –Davey2010 • (talk) 14:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a general RfC may not work, as it will depend upon the local situation. And will change over time. I always got confused between Westgate and Westfield anyway! However, some of the discussion seems to be about what people call it - which seems anecdotal, rather than what sources call it. And the issue there is what do sources call it (or others- since the rename. Dougweller (talk) 16:55, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right It probably wouldn't to be honest, As an example Lakeside is getting called both "Intu Lakeside" and "Lakeside shopping centre" I'd imagine it's like that for most of the rest but in time I guess the name(s) will gradually be used .. –Davey2010 • (talk) 17:39, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

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message: The centre is named Intu Derby, that's what the sign out the front says, the website etc, so the article name should reflect. The contract of sale would have required a rebranding within a period of time and hence it was done. If the reason for not renaming is that Intu Derby is seen as promoting a corporate brand, then the same problem exists with having the article named Westfield Derby, given that it is Westfield as in Westfield Corporation. So what we have is an oudated corporate brand versus a current corporate brand.
While the argument put above to retain generic names for examples like Trafford Centre is valid where one exists, there isn't one for this centre. The last generic name, Eagle Centre, hasn't been used for nearly a decade and fails WP:COMMONNAME. Bit like saying we should keep Sri Lanka as Ceylon. While I agree items of public infrastructure should retain generic rather than commercial names, e.g. Pride Park Stadium not iPro Stadium, in the case of a shopping centre, it is privately owned and it is the owners prerogative to name as they see fit. Like when Derby City Transport was sold, it was the owner's right to rebrand it, hence the article is named Arriva Derby.
The article was rewritten back in October 2014 to reflect the Intu rebranding and has been accepted since, it just seems the final step of renaming was not followed through.
Pinging editors Peter James, Dougweller Jellyman, Rovastar, Anthony Appleyard, Charles and Davey2010 who have previously expressed an opinion on the matter. Greenrocket8 (talk) 04:28, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Completely agree with everything here, there is no generic non-corporate name for the centre, so the Intu name should be used. Jellyman (talk) 13:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Ah didn't get a the ping and only just spotted this in my watchlist, To be honest there's been confusion since 2014 over the names and there's been about 4 or 5 discussions on it but anyway consensus for the most part has been to keep all centres at the previous name(s), Anyway to be absolutely honest half of me thinks "It shouldn't be moved because it seems promotional & per COMMONNAME etc etc but the other half thinks perhaps this (and maybe the rest?) should be moved over, At the moment I really have no idea, –Davey2010Talk 13:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

text: Commercial names such as this are likely to last unless something changes, sponsored names are likely to change when the sponsorship ends so this isn't like the stadium names (whether the stadium is privately owned or not). I would support a move here, because the title is misleading (although the postal address for at least one part of it is still "Westfield Centre, Derby"), but not for some of the others. Peter James (talk) 17:26, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Unopposed move   (t · c) buidhe 03:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Intu Derby →  – As shown and sourced in the article, the shopping centre has now been renamed, the former name is no longer suitable as Intu no longer own it. Didn't want to move it without discussion as previous moves have been subject to lengthy debate. Jellyman (talk) 07:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

text: Support per nom. Heruexquay (talk) 04:43, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 29 January 2021