Talk:Asra Nomani

message: Why do some people want to hide the fact that she gave birth to an illegitimate child? She certainly is not ashamed of that.
After the merge, the old histroy of this article have been lost. I want to re add some text from there. How do i acces it?
--Striver 09:52, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Who the hell cares? Prudes do . Are we now going to push the POV of prudes. I mean this is really scandalous. --CltFn 05:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be silly. This is 2006. The article doesn't mention a husband and says she was abandoned, so the story is obvious. Regarding your other edits, you're introducing grammatical errors and POV, which is why I reverted. SlimVirgin (talk) 20:35, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Of course "illegitimate" is pejorative. There is no need to use a pejorative term when there are so many value-neutral ways of communicating the same fact. I'm moving "illegitimate" out. Babajobu 06:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Why does it matter? This article is about her public, not private, life. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family

message: I think this photo is great, but apparently bots or admins keep removing it, and it is listed for deletion, it because it has no source. Will the uploader please correct that and satisfy source and copyright information so we can have it in the article permanently. --AladdinSE 00:49, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As soon as I can I will get to that.--CltFn 01:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Daniel Pearl photo 

message: CltFn, please stop removing the image of Nomani that I put in the article. If you really believe that I am a liar and this is not my photograph, that "the source is not verifiable," then by all means file a complaint and ask that it be listed for deletion. You have absolutely no case. No editor uploading a photograph is required to prove the source or copyright, which is impossible in the upload notes anyway. We are only required to state it. You of all people are the last to lecture on the sources of photographs, considering that you continually upload pictures without proper source and copyright information, for which you have been frequently rebuked      by administrators. In fact that very picture I was talking about earlier, Pearl with Nomani, was finally deleted after you failed to provide satisfactory source information. As for your objection to Nomani making a "grimace," she was not, it was just normal speech. I happen to admire and respect this author. This picture is a great deal better than the one you prefer, which is blurry and of inferior quality. What's more, it shows Nomani accepting an award form a gay Muslim advocacy organization, which has a linked article in Wikipedia. --AladdinSE 06:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just get a proper picture of her that cannot be interpreted as a lampoon of her. Yes I have been challenged on my photos and I can likewise challenge other editors' uploads as well--CltFn 13:10, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

text: On the one hand, I do think the picture is quite unflattering, and it would be best if another could be found.  On the other hand, I think CltFn's behaviour regarding the image is WP:POINT at best, and verging on a blockable offence at this point. Jayjg (talk) 16:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claims of unverifiable Image source 

message: "Her right" is less ponderous and perfectly POV. The statement does not suggest either that she is entitled to that right or that she is not, only that it is a right she demands. Babajobu 06:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it's worded does suggest WP is saying she has that right: "Nomani became the first woman in her mosque in West Virginia to insist on the right to pray in the male-only main hall ..." SlimVirgin (talk) 06:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Slim, I agree with those philosophers who say there is no such thing as a moral right. Perhaps that's why when I read "insists on her right" it doesn't occur to me that this asserts that the right exists on any fundamental level, but only that she insists on acquiring that right in the context of the mosque. However, if other readers interpret "insists on her right" as positing the objective existence of that right, then clearly it can be regarded as POV and you can go ahead and change it back. But I have to tell you, when I read "what she sees as her right", I read it as at least weakly implying that the right is a spurious one. Not sure if other readers do. And not sure where that leaves us. Still, if you want to revert, that's fine, I'm a newcomer to this article and am happy to take in the scene a bit before getting imperious about my edits. ;-) Babajobu 06:54, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I see what you're saying. Insisting on "the right" makes it more abstract that insisting on "her right" (implying she has one), which is how I first read it. By all means be imperious, given that you're usually right. ;-) SlimVirgin (talk) 07:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Her right vs. "what she sees as her right"

message: Alladin, the problem with the picture is that makes her look ridiculous: her eyes are bulging, her facial muscles are contorted. Wikipedia doesn't generally run pictures like this when more neutral pictures are available. Babajobu 16:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are determined to find fault with a perfectly normal picture taken in the course of normal speech. Admin SlimVirgin has informed me that it is Wikipedia policy not to use Fair Use images when a free license picture is available. Moreover, the picture is at event that links to her advocacy on behalf of a progressive gay Muslim organization, Al-Fatiha which as a linked article in Wikipedia. --AladdinSE 16:33, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AladdinSE, please don't take this the wrong way, but it really does make her look ridiculous, that's why people are objecting to it.  Is there no more flattering picture you can find? Jayjg (talk) 16:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  AladdinSE, I wrote the stub on the Al-Fatiha Foundation, and I would like very much to have more links to it! But not at the cost of running a picture that looks so silly. This is not a criticism of your camera work: you just happened to catch her at a very awkward moment. Of course, we do prefer to run free license pictures rather than fair use pictures...but we also prefer to run pictures that are typical of a subject's appearance rather than ones that make them look extremely awkward. You say we "are determined to find fault with a perfectly normal picture". What, may I ask, would be our motivation for doing this? The fact is we really do think it makes her look bizarre. Babajobu 17:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, you're right, the claim that your image source was unverifiable was absurd and outrageous, and the labelling of it as such even more so; I can well understand why it upset you. Jayjg (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridiculous picture

message: I am sorry to delete a significant piece of text, which evalustes and compares her efforts. My reasons are detailed in the article history, separate for each sentence, after my previous edit was reverted. I beg the editors to get themselves familiar with the policy about bios of living persons and rules of attribution. Colleague Sky7i, I am not questioning  your edit comment: "Note that these statements simply report the reality of how her message has been received; not my judgments". I am saying that these judgements are not supported by proper references. Not to say that the first sentence of the deleted paragraph is poorly formulated, so that it is in fact wrong, although I understand what it intended to say. Mukadderat 01:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: My deletions of judgemental text

message: I have an idea for organizing the article I wanted to discuss here first.  The paragraph in the beginning of the article about the mainstream's reaction to her versus it's acceptance of people such as Ingrid Mattison is relevant, but I think it should be moved down to the Career section.  As it is, half the article seems to be up in the introduction before her bio even starts and it doesn't look right.  I think this proposal makes sense, please let me know if there are any ideas for or against. MezzoMezzo 16:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructuring proposal

message: I just changed a bunch of inline references into full references.
Inline references should be avoided because they don't provide enough clues to later editors
when they find the link expired.  Full references have the date, the publication, the title, the author, all clues that help track down mirror sites.
Two of the links are currently showing up as 404.  Maybe it is temporary.  If they are still 404 a week from now they should probaby be released.  Geo Swan 16:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: still 404  Geo Swan 09:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  please avoid the use of inline references 

message: By all means we should remove unreliable links.  But it should require more than a bald assertion that a link is bad to remove it.
Cheers!  Geo Swan 09:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, the burden of proof is on the editor who wants to use a particular source to ensure and demonstrate that the source meets the standards of relevant Wikipedia policies. 168.105.120.138 23:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  revert -- see talk 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:AsraNomani.jpg

message: I will likely either mark this article as POV or add content to balance against its exclusively pro-Nomani content. The anti-Islamophobia 'community' nearly universally holds an exceptionally poor opinion of her, and that needs to be reflected in this entry. Places to begin examining that other side of the story are here, here, here, here and here.Haberstr (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  A pro-Nomani opinion piece masquerading as an encyclopedia entry 

message: They deleted criticism just so she can sound better!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.0.97.154 (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism deleted 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I want to bring it to the attention of the group here (and I hope I am posting at the appropriate spot) that at least one user is systematically attempting to remove incoming links to this article from other existing articles in Wikipedia. Please see the following: 
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WikiUser7
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WikiUser8
Thanks KConWiki (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally - These are now under a Sockpuppet investigation: 
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/WikiUser7
KConWiki (talk) 17:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: User(s?) deleting incoming links to this page

message: I understand that this is a contencious topic, but I am a bit confused by the layout of the article, the article is included :category:Former Muslims turned agnostics or atheists yet half the article is dedicated to Nomani's movement to have women accepted in the same mosques as men in North America. If the subject truly is irreligious then why would she be campaining so hard for the right to go to the mosque? Inter&anthro (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone recently added that category for unclear reasons. It's been removed. Eperoton (talk) 00:17, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion?

message: None of the citations linking Nomani to The Federalist indicate that she works for the Federalist. None of the citations mention her name, or even indicate that she was involved in the referenced articles. She is listed a a contributor on the Federalist's web site, but unless there is a credible 3rd party reference about her articles, I think the entire thing should be boiled down to "She is listed as a senior contributor to The Federalist website." with a link to that article. Jbmcb (talk) 17:22, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Federalist Cite