Talk:2006 Greenwich Village assault case

message: This article is probably one of the worst written I have ever read. It does not conform to the manual of style at all and is based on very POV sources. There are all sorts of "biography of living person" issues as well - something the wikipedia lawyers are really hot on. As for the name of the article - is that what the court case was called? I ask because in the UK for a criminal case such as this it would be "The Crown vs whoever" as the state takes on the role of prosecutor. Is there a US equivalent? 
Unfortunately having trawled the web for information the only sources I can find are mostly very POV or very sensational (something I've seen mentioned above). To be honest in this situation the best thing to do would be to delete the article until such time that the court transcripts are available and then to write a neutral third person account bearing in mind that these women have been convicted by a court of law. Wikipedia should not be used as another forum to protest their innocence - it can only narrate the reported facts in a neutral way.  Sophia 20:34, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was split off from the main Dwayne Buckle article because it was overshadowing the rest of the content. The title is, to my understanding, rather arbitrary, and should probably be changed. But, to what, I do not know. --Eyrian 20:41, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, likely the best way to handle this is to wait until the court transcripts are actually available. Since the statements of both parties are unavailable at this time, and all of the articles appear to represent only the side of the prosecutor or the charged. A neutral account would be heads above what was in the original Dwayne Buckle article, and that is all that I have intended. Danielfong 06:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is another article. This one tries to point out the contradictions between different reports. It clearly has a POV, like all articles I have found, but is at least one other article not from Fierce representing a side other than the prosecutor's. Danielfong 06:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about we afd this and then someone can recreate it when the court transcripts are available? Otherwise we have real WP:BLP problems that cannot be left.  Sophia 18:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm worried that the court transcripts will not become available. Does anyone have any experience with this? Danielfong 22:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We have no unbiased decent sources and editors who are trying to right a wrong on a paged that deals with living people and hence needs to be very careful. This is not a recipe for a good article.  Sophia 05:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not split the article. The Lesbian Seven seems to be what the pro-Johnson crowd seem to be naming this group of defendants. Why not just split it again. I'm still not sure why MSNBC (cited above) or a few of the other news sources couldn't be found that aren't sensationalistic. To be quite honest I'm not even sure why this story got the national attention it did. Anyways if The Lesbian Seven are asserting their innocence and and are media notable (I think they are) -then why not discuss this issue there like they did with the West Memphis Three. Anti Anti Anti 20:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV problems

message: I've temporarily reverted the page blanking and sent the whole thing over to AfD to determine once and for all whether this is a WP:BLP violation that can be deleted, a valid article but not noteworthy enough to warrant an article on Wikipedia, or a rescuable article —  iridescent (talk to me!) 17:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD

message: Does anyone deny that he was assualted and stabbed? The argument as I understand it, is about whether or not it was self-defense. From what I understand, this bit: "Buckle, spitting aggressively, eventually threw a lit cigarette at the woman which prompted a conflict." probably should be prefaced with an allegedly, one party says that's what happened and the other doesn't.
This: "describes Buckle assaulting the women" should probably read: 'allegeds Buckle assualted the women.' Any input?216.98.233.245 (talk) 02:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Allegedly

message: This page is a libel and slander attempt agianst a living crime victim. Page should be removed until all the real evidence from the trial is available. Transcripts and Video Footage could be available through Freedom of Information Act. Any further slander would be subject to litigation. Any quotes, or links from FIERCE, or any other biased source should be scrutinized, obviosly it is a propaganda campaign and the editors at Wiki should know better.
User:Foundationforjustice blanked the article and replaced it with the above text.  User:Foundationforjustice's comment was moved here by Richard (talk) 01:34, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism and libel

message: I found this article from the GayCityNews, which has a few lines connecting the murder of Sakia Gunn to this case. Considering the orphaned tag at the top of the article, I thought it might be worthwhile to work that in (and the similarity of the cases), but I was having some difficulty doing that. -- Irn (talk) 03:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Sakia Gunn]]

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* http://www.gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18531149&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=585504&rfi=6
** In 2006 Greenwich Village assault case on 2011-05-26 02:04:15, 404 Not Found
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--JeffGBot (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead link 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:14, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: Brought to my attention through Ticket#: 2012022810011972:
The sentence in question is: 
: All the women were acquainted with Sakia Gunn, a black lesbian murdered in a hate crime.[citation needed]
The best (and only) remotely reliable source I can find for this on Google or Google News/Archives is CounterPunch:
:"Being young, they knew the odds of fun were better in the Village; being lesbians, they knew fun was not to be had in the streets of Newark, where, four years earlier, 15-year-old Sakia Gunn was knifed to death by men who thought she was cute–until she told them she was gay."
Another source, of unclear reliability is ThePublicIntellectual.org:
:"All of the New Jersey 7 either knew Sakia Gunn personally or knew that she had been murdered in a street harassment incident three years earlier. The media, they say, helped foster an environment that made it easy to mischaracterize the women’s acts of self-defense."
I'm interested in whether/how we can mention the Sakia Gunn case as background without making a strong claim about the attackers knowledge of the event.  Thoughts? Ocaasi t | c 16:17, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing for now: Unsourced Sakia Gunn Connection, for Discussion 

message: source: http://www.wnyc.org/story/killer-lesbians-or-victims/
--Jeremyb (talk) 00:10, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014 documentary movie 

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