Talk:Creme Puff (cat)

message: The link links to the Guiness Book of World Records, but to a cat named "Spike" who's purported to be 31. What gives?  --Ramdrake 20:55, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guiness links

message: I think Guinesss got it wrong mistaking Creme Puss with Grandpa.  There's NO other reliable source on Creme Puff and no mention of her in 1999, or even earlier this year any ANY news source.  Perry even said he sent in the wrong date for Granpa, perhaps there's been a mixup??? - Stillwaterising (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What you "think" is irrelevant. The Guinness Records are acceptable references. If you think they have it wrong, you should take it up with them. If Guinness ammend their information, THEN this article should be edited or tagged NOT before.86.177.36.23 (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What he thinks *is not* irrelevant. Stillwaterising has brought up a contraversy that is not just a question here, but in cat forums as well. Guinness Records might be an "acceptable" reference, but that does not mean its content is accurate. In this case, it it not. =//= Johnny Squeaky 05:39, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't even have enough to show there is a controversy never mind argue that the Guinness Book of Records is wrong. A lot more is needed before turning this into the cat equivalent of Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories. Citation needed before going any further with this. Dmcq (talk) 09:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that clearly there *is* a controversy as several editors here as well as a significant number of knowledgeable parties in various forums devoted to cats question the veracity of this story. How about this: I will devote some time this week in tracking down references that fall within the "acceptable to Wikipedia" category. If I'm unable to locate any that are acceptable to all the interested parties here, I'll be happy to "clam up" and back off my view that there should be a "dispute" tag. I that acceptable? =//= Johnny Squeaky 03:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well since you haven't any evidence at the moment I'll take off the disputed tag. You can put it on again when you have something tenable. Dmcq (talk) 23:09, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Creme Puff is fiction

message: I was a participant in the dispute over the  tag several months ago. Here is what I understand was the resolution of that dispute:
*The claim that Creme Puff was the longest lived cat relies solely on publication in Guinness World Records. GWR is generally held to be a reliable source on Wikipedia, but like all reliable sources they are subject to being incorrect or duped by hoaxes. Relevant discussion on the reliability of GWR can be found at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_120#Reliability_of_Guinness_World_Records.
*The above claim is disputed on cat discussion forums. Forums are not considered reliable sources on Wikipedia, and no editor has come forth with reliable sources that contradict the claims made by GWR. 
*Since no editor has produced reliable sources contradicting the reliable sources on the article, the  tag is not appropriate. 
Did I misunderstand anything? —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a thing. --Seduisant (talk) 19:49, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hoax tag December 2012/January 2013 

message: I have added the  tag to the top of the article. I realize that there are multiple references on the article; however, all of them are dependent on the Guinness source to verify the claim that Creme Puff was the longest-lived cat.  —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:33, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The CNN article doesn't reference Guinness.  Isn't CNN a good news source?  It just kind of seems that you're all stressing about this with no real evidence to back up the stress, and it makes for an ugly article.  It sounds as if some people above might have some personal preferences that are coloring how to apply the rules.  130.76.96.145 (talk) 17:26, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: CNN is a reliable source and you are correct that it doesn't reference Guinness. However, it also doesn't mention Creme Puff and therefore doesn't do a thing to further establish the notability of Creme Puff or verify the whole reason why she is notable for her own Wikipedia article. The subject of this article is Creme Puff, and discussion of her owner's other cat should not exceed discussion on Creme Puff. It doesn't matter if the maintenance tags make the article "ugly", because the undue weight given to the other cat already makes the article "ugly". —KuyaBriBriTalk 18:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added another tag 

message: http://messybeast.com/longevity.htm  Many people think that, because most cats expire before their 15th year, no cats will be alive 10 years later.  
Most cats do, to date, expire by their 15th, though quite a few reach 20, and the oldest cat currently is 24, but she is by no means the oldest ever.  And Creme Puff, whose age was verified sufficiently for Guinness to anoint as oldest ever, has a number of comperes, as outlined in the link.  It is true that sometimes there are errors, misidentification, or outright hoax, but they do not negate the fact that quite a number of cats have been documented to have attained ancient status.184.148.67.103 (talk) 18:24, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That "oldest cat" from back then is now 30 years old and still alive by the way. 38 seems a bit high, but I think reaching 30 and more is quite possible for many cats if seen globally. I don't think we can cut to "15 years and then it must be over" - it depends on so many factors, both intrinsic and extrinsic. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:3AD5:47FF:FE18:CC7F (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other very long-lived cats 

message: What's her cause of Death? LucianoTheWindowsFan (talk)
:Probably old age. Watchsmart (talk) 07:13, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: @Watchsmart too much red wine. Coldupnorth (talk) 00:51, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cause of Death 

message: The article states that Granpa Rexs Allen was born in Paris, Texas, but the source cited says that he was born in Paris, France. https://web.archive.org/web/20100226035922/http://www.petpublishing.com/catkit/articles/grandpa.shtml  Additionally, the article originally had the birthplace of Granpa Rexs Allen as Paris, France. The change from Paris, France to Paris, Texas was made without an edit summary to explain why. Is there something I'm missing? TigerQS (talk) 03:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to Paris as the source states that although the whole thing is more than likely a hoax. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Granpa Rexs Allen place of birth