Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Archive 21

message: Prodded. One Night In Hackney303 16:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Prodded these as well - Brian Myers, Shawn Murphy (wrestler), Muhammad the Butcher, Mister Zero, Anthony Michaels, Dan McGuire, Danny DeManto, Truth Martini. One Night In Hackney303 18:10, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the prod on the BCW page because it's been prodded before - if if needs to go then it needs to be an AfD according to Wikipedia guidelines. And for the record it's not because I disagree with you, heck I think all of these outside Anthony Michaels aren't even borderline notable and could easily be deleted. MPJ-DK 03:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't check the BCW history oops. Michaels is borderline notable in my opinion, but I really struggled to find any information on him, other than a couple of match results. Bearing that in mind I'm in no immediate rush to AfD him, but I will at some point unless there's improvement sourcing wise. One Night In Hackney303 04:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I didn't unprod him yet, once I find a source to establish notability in some way I will (and fully source the page) but I got a few days to dig it out anyways before the prod deadline runs out. MPJ-DK 04:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TJ did, but as I say there's no immediate rush for that one, he's not a minor indy guy I'd instantly AfD if the prod was removed. One Night In Hackney303 04:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Anthony Michaels is only somewhat notable because he was Snot Dudley in ECW, and was one of the major Dudleys in the early years. TJ Spyke 04:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: British Championship Wrestling

message: I am not sure how to edit in this source for Chris Benoit (as when I click edit for the sources section a template comes out), but I would appreciate if somebody could help me out with that.
Also, here is a source stating that Benoit idolized the Dynamite Kid: 
Also, I think the Chris Benoit should be moved to "Mid-Importance", as it is insulting to such a famous worker, to be "Low-Importance". Kris Classic 02:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the source it. As for importance, check out WP:BOLD. TJ Spyke 02:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Chris Benoit source

message: I think we as a project need to figure out how to handle wrestling DVDs on Wikipedia - have one approach and stick to it because right now there is no clear policy, it's a case by case thing, leading to AfDs and discussions and on and on. I think we should have one unified way of handling DVDs and not clutter up Wikipedia with stuff that's suitable for a subsection but not an entire page.
My proposal
*Show DVDs (PPVs etc) - No articles on Wiki
*Profile DVDs (like Andre The Giant, etc) - Redirect the DVD title to the subject page and add a "DVD" sub section to the page with the name, date & quick outline.
*Documentaries (Rise & Fall of ECW, Monday Night Wars, AWA etc.) Should be incorporated into the article for the subject it covers and listed in a "DVD" section 
Pros? Cons?? Voice your opinion please MPJ-DK 11:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel we should just do cite dvd, but there is not cite dvd like cite video... :/ So if we can get a new  to use it maybe a list, or at the end of wrestler bio's. ect. something like that anyway. Govvy 12:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to handle DVDs 

message: I suggest many of us should put him on our watchlists, I asked an admin to take his article off the fully protected list. I'm regretting that now as many websites are reporting he's out for eight months with a torn bicep. Just thought I'd pass it along for anyone attempting to add stuff into the article.Neldav 20:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I change your link, his article has been at "The Undertaker" for many months now and some people still use the wrong link. It's about time the article was unprotected. It was fully protected for almost a month becuase of User:Verdict and coat of many sockpuppets. TJ Spyke 20:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Undertaker]] 

message: I found this the other day, and put the unsourced tag on it. Today I did a google search on his real name and wrestling name: I found no decent sources. Should I prod it? He worked for NWA Wildside, a notable indy group...but that's about all he has done worth noting. RobJ1981 20:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Crazy Train (wrestler)]]

message: List of ECW pay-per-view events shows that all the ECW PPV articles still use the ECW initials. I'm pretty sure that some of them don't need the initials for ambig. reasons. Were these just overlooked when the ruiling over other wrestling PPV articles was made, or did I miss another ruiling for these articles? Mshake3 20:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ECW PPVs 

message: Just in case some are unaware, this page is an FLC and it would be nice if some WP:PW could leave some comments here. So far, it has no supports or opposes and I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Either way, some comments from some other project members would be nice. -- Scorpion0422 23:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of members of the WWE Hall of Fame]]

message: Nuko The Russian (total hoax as far as I can see), Joey Nelson, Kim Neilson, Derrick Neikirk, Charlie Cook, Nate Hatred and Prince Nana.
Kevin Northcutt has been tagged for expansion as well, needs some work doing on it. Thanks. One Night In Hackney303 02:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for deletion

message: Hi, just thought I'd pass along this comment made on Undertaker's talkpage:
*While citations are good, and I think most information should be cited, it is unneccessary to cite every single match win or loss. Citations should be limited to information such as quotes, images, or information that could be challenged. Wins and losses won't be challenged because they are "common knowledge"....millions of people saw them on TV. Maybe if a match is from a house show or some other non-televised event or information from their personal lives, then it should be cited. The guide for citing sources, Wikipedia:Citing sources#When to cite sources, clearly states that information that is likely to be challenged should be sourced. For example, who's going to challenge that The Undertaker won the Championship at WrestleMania 23, when they either saw it  then or heard about it the next day on RAW? Thoughts? Nikki311 18:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that certain users go above and beyond the guidelines you list in their "pointy" crusade against pro wrestling articles, just look at the riduculous level of "Citation needed" tags on Scott Norton and I've even cleaned some of them up already. MPJ-DK 17:46, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, who was it that said the  tag wasn't enough and insisted on reverting to the version with all the "citation neededs" instead? That would be you wouldn't it? One Night In Hackney303 02:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't be sorry, I reverted to the version that exposes how far you'll go in your little campaign against pro wrestling and just how thin the straws you clutch at to take shots at the articles. I reverted to the version that showed that you went above and beyond both the written word and the spirit of Wikipedia:Citing sources#When to cite sources instead of just the generic tag that erroniously indicated that the general article was unsourced. It's always better to be specific don't you think? ;) MPJ-DK 07:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congratulations, I've been tolerant of your trolling up to now but no more. For your information I've saved plenty of wrestling articles from being massacred by one of Wikipedia's most notorious vandals and sockpuppeteers JB196, still it's not your fault you're ignorant of the facts. But thanks to you, I'll be happy to give wrestling articles more time now making sure anything that needs a citation is appropriately tagged. Or you could apologise for being completely incorrect, and we'll say no more about it? One Night In Hackney303 17:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having worked with ONiH from the start dealing with JB (Back even before he was banned for the first time, (that's what, 150 SockPuppets ago?), he's done a good job with regards to wrestling articles here. MPJ-DK, I'd hope you'd work WITH ONiH, and not against. The projects got enough to do already without members working actively against each other. SirFozzie 18:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I call them like I see them, I see a man who "Citation needed" tagged Fire & Ice's Finishing move, is that incorrect? I'm not apologizing for saying that such an act is going above and beyond the written word and the spirit of the policy. But don't worry this won't turn into two memebers of wp:pw fighting with each other, I'm sick of being a "content defender", I came here to make positive contributions so I'm just going to do my own thing and not give a crap about groups and projects and what not. Laters MPJ-DK 04:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[The Undertaker]]

message: Since I wasn't able to locate a peer section of this project I decided to post this here, the page seems to be in good shape and free of POV, not to mention the fact that it's more than well referenced (even all of the titles listed have refs), it seems to be at GA level or near it, do you think it should be up for GAC as it is or is there something else needed? any suggestions? -凶 00:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Length isn't taken under consideration when reviewing GAs, I have managed to get nominations about 1/5 the size of this one passed without any problem. I will try my luck and nominate it, Peace. -凶 15:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Carly Colón]], Good Article?

message: Nominated for deletion here. Please look at the nomination carefully, and consider what content needs to be saved from the article. One Night In Hackney303 02:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1990s wrestling boom

message: I think this should be nominated for deletion. There is no real proof of notability. Kris 17:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article needs fixing not deletion; before the days of TNA and ROH Reckless Youth, along with Christopher Daniels, were the kings of the independents. –– Lid(Talk) 17:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately for me Youth is also known for the fact he doesn't talk much, which extends to interviews, so direct quotes from him is near impossible to find however searching for Reckless Youth and "king of the independents" tends to bring up other wrestlers supporting it. Homicide interview referring to the duo of Daniels and Youth as the kings of the indies, King Kong Bundy interview in which Bundy pretty much states Youth being rated lower than Hogan is an abomination, Jeremy Lopez commentary referencing Youth as the king of the independents, press release making another reference to status as king of the indies. Not to mention being the co-founder of CHIKARA. There are many not notable indy wrestlers with articles on wikipedia that have too much information adding up to nothing, this is a case of the opposite of an actually notable indy wrestler whose information availability is limited. –– Lid(Talk) 18:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because people think he is the King of the Indies, and think he is a good wrestler, doesn't mean notability. I can say that a local wrestler is King of the Indies, does that make him notable? Just because there are a lot of other wiki profiles about workers who are less notable, doesn't mean he is notable enough. The biggest promotion he has worked for was ROH and a few small NWA Territories. I say not notable. Lets put it up for deletion, and see what everybody else has to say? Kris 19:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be overlooking the fact I began my reply with BEFORE ROH and TNA. His notable time was the past, comparing him to the notability of current indie wrestlers is invalid. Part of his story is that he was one of the only wrestlers who built a name for themselves as an indy wrestler, alongside Daniels, without the aid of WCW, WWF or ECW. The founding of CHIKARA notwithstanding. –– Lid(Talk) 19:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I would say the fact he has won championship titles, backed up by cited sources, in these and other promotions make him notable. The fact that he was ranked in the PWI Years doesn't hurt either. MadMax 20:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of people have won titles on the indys, that doesn't make them notable though. Kris 23:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Then essentially a wrestlers accomplishments in the professional wrestling industry are irrelevent to their notability ? MadMax 00:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It plays a part, but having a lot of minor title wins alone doesn't make a person notable. Kris 01:12, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: La Parka is a notable worker who has had nation wide exposor on wrestling television shows. This guy has worked on a lot of small time indy promotions. Would this be notable for a wrestling wiki? Certainly. Would it be notable for this main wiki? No. Someone nominate it for deletion, so we can hear other's opinions. Kris 04:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If we wanted to be tightwads, we could say anybody who wrestled for WWE/WCW/ECW is notable (the same way that anybody who competes in the NFL/NBA/NHL/other top level organizations are considered automatically "notabe"). I acutally have heard of Reckless Youth and I rarely pay attention to indy wrestling, bu I have no opinion on him. TJ Spyke 03:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I never said it was your problem, nor was I even refering to Reckless Youth in general. I was commenting on the fact that the majority of wrestling articles are not supported not what would normally be considered independent, non trival, reliable sources. MadMax 05:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Chikara (professional wrestling)|Reckless Youth]]

message: Does this subject warrant an entry on wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BlockbusterTA (talk • contribs) 19:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heath Miller was incorrectly kept due to block voting by wrestling fans, and I'll get that deleted later. Also an unsourced (and unsourceable) claim of notability is no claim of notability. Shall I write an article on me claiming I've won a Nobel prize, Grammy, Emmy, Oscar and been interviewed by every single important talk-show host, and laugh as you say I'm notable? One Night In Hackney303 01:29, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It's a correct and proper one. Wrestling fans do not follow guidelines and policies when !voting on AfDs, you only have to look at your attempts to defend every crappy stub (speaking of which, more AfDs coming real soon rest assured) you've created to see you're oblivious to Wikipedia guidelines and policies, despite me giving you a link to them in each and every AfD. If you think the Rivers and Raphael claims can be sourced, feel free to source them now. But you won't, because you can't, and it wouldn't matter even if you could. Look at the article. He started wrestling in 1995, he allegedly appeared on TV in 1992 and 1993. Spot the problem? Spot the further problem, he fails WP:BIO. Stop making up your own guidelines and use the ones at WP:BIO, because if you don't you're going to create more articles that I'll be nominating for deletion. One Night In Hackney303 06:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Don't say "wrestling fans", I have voted to delete a lot of wrestling related article on stuff I thought didn't need articles. I suppose Alaimo could have appeared before he started wrestling, but I don't think a couple of appearences on a talk show is that notable (or these sluts who appear on Maury and have 15+ men tested to see who the father is would have articles). TJ Spyke 06:24, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I didn't create the article, nor did I contribute additional information. Personally, I've only vaguly heard of Lucifer and being an extra in a low buget film probably isn't notable. However, appearing three times on Sally Jesse Raphael is notable and can be confirmed or disproved. All I'm saying is, given the author is a new editor, you might want to give him more then a few hours to prove him claims before nominating it for deletion. MadMax 02:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: *The issue has been resolved as per discussion on user's talk page. MadMax 18:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Billy Alaimo]]

message: *It might be worth mentioning, there's been an edit war going on between User:Suplex66 and User:Funksterjig prior to its nomination for deletion. MadMax 01:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war

message: There seems to be four articles - Brian Myers, Matt Cardona, The Major Brothers and The Majors Brothers. Would suggest merging them? One Night In Hackney303 23:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: All should be in one for now at least. I don't think Brian or Matt have done any singles (if they have, very little). So redirecting all articles to one article is a good idea in this case. I'm not sure if the official team name is Major or Majors Brothers though. RobJ1981 23:54, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "Major Brothers" according to WWE: . I have combined the two tag team articles into Major Brothers. TJ Spyke 00:00, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Majors Brothers

message: I hate to bring this here, but this user (User:TheTruth2) keeps removing the word "the" from PPV articles at the Kemper Arena (so the say event X took place on date Y from Kemper Arena) saying this is right because the name of the arena is "Kemper Arena" and not "The Kemper Arena". I tried explaining why this is not how we do it, and how what he is doing is grammatically incorrect. I also told him to bring it up here if he really objected. He seemed to stop for a few days, but is starting it again. TJ Spyke 05:13, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User:TheTruth2

message: This seems up your street. --Fredrick day 23:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  someone want to chat to this dude? 

message: I am curious, what is the official way to write OWW in on articles?
Is it:
*(Name) at OWW
*(Name) at Obsessed with Wrestling
*(Name) at onlineworldofwrestling.com
*Profile at OWW
*Profile at Obsessed with Wrestling
*Profile at onlineworldofwrestling.com
*Etc.
Which is the right way? Kris 23:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is any one correct way, but I think (Name) at Obesses with Wrestling sounds best. TJ Spyke 23:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shall we make it official, and put it on the to-do list, to correct all links to that? Kris 23:53, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, put on the to do list. Maybe we could get a bot to help change the links? TJ Spyke 00:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Obsessed with Wrestling

message: It looks like onlineworldofwrestling.com changed their name to OnlineWorldofWrestling.com, so we will have to change all OWW links in profiles, as well as changing all references. This should be fun. Kris 23:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This will be annoying considering how many articles use them. I will fix them when I see them, but I don't really feel like searching out for them (since their old domain name still goes to their website). TJ Spyke 00:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, not all of the links still go to the old website. Most of the links are dead. Such as a reference in CM Punk's profile to OWW, that happens to be a link to an image, is dead. Kris 00:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A robot has done it, though I don't know if it was just the trial run or not (bots sometimes do a trial run before doing a big job like this, the operator said their were 513 links to OWW). TJ Spyke 05:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: HUGE NEWS Concerning OWW

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCW-Zero_Heavyweight_Championship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCW-Zero_Tag_Team_Championship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCW-Zero_Mexico_Championship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCW-Zero_Ultra-X_Championship —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Spot Monkey Hall (talk • contribs) 01:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vanity (i think) articles

message: WWF Kuwaiti Cup, Emil Sitoci, IwW Zero-Gravity, IwW Gym War 18, Shane Shamrock Memorial Cup, ECCW Pacific Cup Tournament, ECCW Pacific Cup (Tag), NWA Shockwave, Westside Xtreme wrestling, NWA: Extreme Canadian Championship Wrestling and ECCW Hardcore Title Tournament (Nov. 1999). One Night In Hackney303 01:58, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles prodded or AfDed

message: Chris Benoit's article is very good, long, and sourced. Anybody think it should be a GA? Kris 03:55, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, sourced?  Are you kidding? 95% are from the same website, which in turn is not considered an WP:RS. Maybe if you found some real articles from real books and magazines and sourced them, and dumped all the website refs (results generally don't need references unless there is dispute), I'd put it up. When/if you go to college, you need to realize that this is not how people source things, they don't use the same website and copy it over 70 times. Biggspowd 06:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Biggs, OWW is a reliable source. Also, website references are just as valid as any book reference. TJ Spyke 22:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If you are going to go after GA status I would recommend greatly expanding the lead in, adding at least an overview of the article and probably expanding it to two or three paragraphs. (See: Konnan, CM Punk Why John Cena failed). On that note the lead to The Undertaker needs great expansion as well before someone de-lists it. –– Lid(Talk) 08:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Should we nominate Chris Benoit for a good article?

message: Reckless Youth has been nominated for deletion. Share your opinions about it here. Kris 04:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reckless Youth Nominated for Deletion

message: Hey guys, i (User:Paulley) just popped back for a quick visit.. mainly to edit the King Of Europe tournament page (as the event has now past). Anyway i still got alot of work to do on that page and i was hoping one of you could help me get the tournament brackets working properly.. seem it doesnt want to work right for me atm. Anyway hope you guys are doing well and if u could sort out the brackets for me it would be alot of help. Thanxs --- Paulley 11:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There you go. ↪Lakes (Talk) 11:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  little help 

message: Hi there! I have been doing a lot of work on the Steve Rizzono article and am wondering if it has any chance of getting up to "featured" or "good" article status. Feedback is appreciated. Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shavenhead2 (talk • contribs) 12:10, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article contents are fine, but I prodded the for possible deletion because this person does not appear to be notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. ↪Lakes (Talk) 12:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Article has been put up for AFD, feel free to give your thoughts. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shavenhead2 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1uestion

message: Shane Hagadorn is starting to get important in Ring of Honor, does anybody else think he now deserves an article? Kris 17:27, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Shane Hagadorn

message: J.C. Bailey, Kid Omega, Ryan O'Reilly (wrestler), Scott Orlinger, Rob Page (wrestler), Dean Peters, Matt Prince, Tony Puccio, Dan Quirk, Crazy Train (wrestler), NWA Shockwave Cruiser X Championship, NWA Shockwave Tag Team Championship, NWA Shockwave Women's Championship, NWA Shockwave Internet Championship, NWA Shockwave Heavyweight Championship, Natural Heavyweight Championship, Ballpark Brawl, MCW Tag Team Championship, MCW Rage Television Championship, MCW Light Heavyweight Championship, MCW Heavyweight Championship, MCW Cruiserweight Championship, XCW Pro Wrestling, Hillbilly Matt Darlin. One Night In Hackney303 04:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Prods and AfDs

message: I was updating the Julius Smokes page (it was quite outdated), and I noticed someone removed OWW links citing a bunch of policy that they were spam.
:There was a short time when they were on the spam blacklist because of JB196, however this has since been lifted. –– Lid(Talk) 10:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are obsessedwithwrestling links spam? 

message: I have added Judgement Day, btw not sure on all of the PPVs, but I thought it would be a good idea to add them all to help keep track on the calender. Govvy 14:48, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calender 

message: Was he Maxx Muscle or not? I removed a prod from the article, due to the mistaken identity (which was the reason for the prod). In either case, Jeff Warner was known by other names that were notable. The article is need of decent sources though.RobJ1981 20:31, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, Jeff Warner was not the same guy as Maxx Muscle. Warner is notable though, he was the nWo Sting for example. TJ Spyke 21:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there currently a Maxx Muscle article? I would imagine he would be notable enough, as he was a bodyguard for Dallas Page for a while, and wrestler for a bit too. Well I found the NWO Sting article: Jeff Farmer (wrestler). If it's accurate, he is not the same person as Warner. RobJ1981 23:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I got Warner and Farmer mixed up. Warner isn't Maxx Muscle though. There is an article for Maxx Muscle, at Maxx Muscle. TJ Spyke 22:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Jeff Warner]]

message: Burntsauce has blanked Bob Backlund and Alkivar has locked it up for a month, I've nominated it for a COTW in an attempt to get it up to scratch. Darrenhusted 20:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is what is annoying. Alkivar is also not following the BLP policy since BLP says to remove contentious material. Burntsauce is removing almost all material from an article instead of just contentious material. When Burnt was asked to discuss the issues here, he refuses and he also refused to actually try and help articles instead of wrecking them. TJ Spyke 21:36, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: And on top of that he keeps adding a "Welcome, you've violated BLP" notice to talkpages of those who revert his reverts. And if you post on Burntsauce's talkpage he simply erases it, then when I erased his sarky welcome message he had the cojones to challenge me for blanking a talk message. He is all that is bad with Wikipedians. Darrenhusted 21:53, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look here. You know who I'm thinking. -- Oakster  Talk   22:33, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already covered: 04:46, 7 May 2007 David Gerard (Talk | contribs) blocked "Funksterjig (contribs)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (one-shot account created on open proxy). –– Lid(Talk) 00:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe we should contact an admin about him? Kris 22:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rouge admins stick together. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 23:05, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

text: He has something against wrestling articles. He obviously doesn't want to make articles better. I wonder why he doesn't go round sourcing the 1,000+ wrestling articles instead of us.... Neldav 16:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Because he is incapable of sourcing, but it takes no effort to blank and complain about a lack of sources. What's worse is on his userpage he has some random quotes from Jimbo and uses them to back up any argument, his reply to any question being "take it up with Jimmy Wales". Darrenhusted 17:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to Burntsauce's little admin friend, Bob Backlund's article is  fully protected till June. And 5 minutes before he fully protected it, Burntsauce did this.... Neldav 19:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now he has caused Stacy Carter to be locked as a stub too. He is obviously targeting wrestling articles since he never blanks the thousands and thousands of other bio articles with poor sourcing. It doesn't help that BS refuses to actually have a conversation with anyone. At least it is comforting to know that he will never be admin (although another admin appears to be his lackey and supporting him). TJ Spyke 23:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Just so you know, that has been blanked, as well. Nikki311 01:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bob Backlund 

message: Just warning that there are several rumours going around that Edge could cash in his MITB briefcase at the SmackDown TV tapings tonight. If he does, the page will very likely have to be protected. Neldav 16:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Adam Copeland]] 

message: I was thinking that since the page notes more than just the ladder matches, it also has defenses, cash-in matches, and a holders list, maybe the name should be changed. I was thinking maybe just plain ol' Money in the Bank or maybe "Money in the Bank contract". Thoughts? -- Scorpion0422 23:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Money in the Bank ladder match]]

message: I was thinking it would be cool to have nationality flagicon's next to all the wrestler names on the wwe roster article. Like we have in the football project on the team roster section, checkout Tottenham Hotspur for example and have a look at the roster. Something like that, so what do the rest of you think of this idea? Govvy 09:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone and done that for just the wrestler parts, personally, I think it looks good. Neldav 18:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it would look good, I rather like that. Guess we can keep it now it's done! heh. :) Govvy 21:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Hold on a second, The Boogeyman is not from The Bottomless Pit? Well, that's my illusions shattered, thanks a lot Neldav. Darrenhusted 22:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WWE Roster]] Idea. 

message: Burntsauce strikes again, and each time he strips further and further back. Does this editor ever do anything other than "revert edit by X identified as vandalism, please read our policies and guidleines" and never post on a talk page unless forced to? Help would be helpful, anyone. Darrenhusted 22:09, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added some sources to the article, so he can't revert it now or it will be guranteed vandalism. The worst part is that he never informs us when he blanks articles. TJ Spyke 22:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Dennis Condrey]] 

message: Last night I was working on the John Cena article and trying to address the reasons it was denied GA status. As I was doing it I started thinking about the sources, should we consider WWE.com as a primary source and, whenever possible, use other sources? It's certainly written by people very close to the situation being written about, no matter which random intern they have actually write up reports. «»bd(talk stalk) 23:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWE.com as a source 

message: I have made a suggestion that in return for Burntsauce providing PW or a PW Editor a list of wrestling articles being stubbed (so the PW folks can devote limited resources to the articles), that the folks of WP:PW not reinsert removed information until it is properly sourced. I do agree that the policy as written differs from the way it's being put into effect, but, as Dusty would say, "It is, what it is." I'm doing my best to get the policy to reflect the way it's being enforced. That may be the best we can do right now. SirFozzie 04:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How about having the policy enforced the way it's been formulated instead of changing it because of a very overzealous pointy, very small minority? MPJ-DK 16:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at AN. I don't see it as a minority, sadly. SirFozzie 18:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me restate that then - the way it's being applied to a minority of articles, the pro wrestling ones - There are thousands of non-wrestling articles that are not subject to the same strict rule - no matter how many people support it it's only noticably applied to pro wrestling articles. I'd be happy to mass blank articles on say Tom Hanks whenever someone isn't sourced - but I'd probably end up blocked indefinitly MPJ-DK 07:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Wouldn't these actions violate wp:point? or at least qualify him as a disruptive editor?«»bd(talk stalk) 18:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think you guys should let it go. Obviously this guy is close minded and he shouldn't be blanking pages without some warning, but it has been made obvious that a lot of administrators agree with him, so nothing is going to be done. Just keep a watchful eye out and source whatever he blanks in the future. -- Scorpion0422 18:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A request, re:Burntsauce

message: Just letting you know that all of the main body has gone. You can guess who did it..... Neldav 17:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, unfortunately, yes. Neldav 17:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I undid the blanking because Burntsauce's post on the talk page stated this "Unreferenced material is to be removed from biographies of living persons" which shows he didn't even read the article as Adrian Adonis has been dead for nineteen years. –– Lid(Talk) 18:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Maybe Burnt should read the rules he lives by a little bit more carefully. I think this is evidence enough to contact an admin about, him just blanking articles with out knowing the proper rules. Kris 18:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: If you see any WWE pages that aren't sourced feel free to add them to my WWE reference list, and I will try and reference it. Neldav 19:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Adrian Adonis]]

message: Recreating an article for Maryland Championship Wrestling is on the to-do list. There is a pretty good article located here. Should the user be contacted and the information transferred into an actual article? Nikki311 18:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard of MCW, but it doesn't seem that notable. Decent sourcing will be needed, if it's going to be recreated. RobJ1981 19:29, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Maryland Championship Wrestling

message: I really hate the tabled boxes, they look horrible and make the alignment of the page look terrible! Can we get rid of them please? Govvy 10:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean by "tabled boxes", do you mean the flag icons? If so then most sprts pages on here have them, by random how about the NHL Columbus Blue Jackets, the NBA Washington Wizards, or the MLB San Diego Padres? If it is indeed the flag icons to which you have heretofore referred. Darrenhusted 13:30, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't talking about the flagicons, just the horrible tables, boxes! Govvy 14:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The index box at the side? I'm not sure I'm looking at the same page as you. Darrenhusted 14:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Govvy was refering to this, which I totally agree with him on. It was a step too far. -- Oakster  Talk   17:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wwe roster again 

message: This article was nominated a long time ago by the looks of things. Unfortunately, a user has gone and outright failed the article, based on a number of things:
Unfortunately it's a fail for now.
Improvements necessary for GA:
* Article needs a re-org. Article is way too strongly weighted towards the "History" section - in fact, the whole thing is History. I would suggest creating new top-level headings on major topics of relevance to the WCW and reworking much of the existing material into those. A good deal of the history sub-section could also go into a sub-article. (See National Hockey League, a GA, for an example of a well-organized article in a similar genre). This will be a major task.
* Writing is generally very good, but there is a nasty run-on sentence with comma misuse in the lead (first paragraph).
* Per WP:LAYOUT please put "details", "main", "see also" templates after section headings but before the text.
* A good number of paragraphs do not have any citations. Some have NPOV problems; for example "Another thing Bischoff may have failed to consider..." - an opinion like this is fine only if it comes from a reliable source. The "Decline" section is also full of opinions and analyses that do not appear to be sourced.
* "Image:Original-nWo.jpg" and "Image:Fingerpoke of Doom.jpg" need detailed fair-use rationales added to their description pages.
Improvements not necessary for GA:
* Some of the pictures are pretty low-quality. If you can find better pictures that would improve the article.
* Please move all ref tag cites after punctuation.
- Merzbow 08:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[World Championship Wrestling]] - GA Failed

message: User:JKrantoski has been effecting controversial page moves for a while now, normally moving articles to the current ring name of the wrestler. He's been warned on several occasions, but no action has been taken. McPhail 14:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User:JKrantoski

message: This user keeps uploading images which are against copyright policy, think we might need to take action against him/her. I have warned before, it kind of has a sockpuppet feel to it also! I don't think him/her is taking any notice of what is on the talk page! Govvy 18:33, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User talk:TannerD|TannerD]]