Talk:List of surnames romanized Li

message: :top importance: stated as the most common surname on earth --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 20:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Don't you think it's better to put a person's Chinese name in each name written, like Ang Lee, could it be like this?
** Ang Lee (李安), acclaimed Academy Awards winning film director
A-yao 04:33, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chinese Name

message: I removed this somewhat obscure passage:
::There is also another legend that the surname Li is actually a branch from the Lee surname due to a rebellion. There is evidence of a once great war, located in the outlying Lee villages. Weapons and armour can be found lying scattered across the fertile rice fields. Upon these items is the emblem of 'Lee' and 'Li'. The local villagers say that according to folklore, the Li were inevitably crushed by the superior skills and numbers of the Lee.
It somehow makes the assupmtion that Lee's and Li's are separate identities: these are transliterations and nothing more, so when referring to a war between two different Li's, then please use Chinese characters. As it stands here it's pretty nonsensical. JREL (talk) 13:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lee & Li

message: This article was forked into Li (李).  Please discuss cleanup on that article's talk page. -- Robocoder (t|c) 05:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see there are two other forks of this article.  Therefore, I've converted this article to a dab page. -- Robocoder (t|c) 20:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fork

message: Shouldn't this be a disambiguation page? These are distinct names in Chinese, and the fact that English phonetics isn't robust enough to distinguish between them doesn't have anything to do with that.--Isaac R (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation Page 

message: Several pages were resorted and redirect and renamed, so the discussion of that occurred at what is now called Talk:Li (surname meaning "profit") -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 07:09, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There has been a sudden batch of controversial merges and moves. See Talk:Li (surname meaning "profit"). In ictu oculi (talk) 09:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related article naming discussions 

message: I thought it might help the discussion if people saw what a merged article might actually look like... so I have taken the liberty of drafting one in my user space.
*Please see: User talk:Blueboar/drafts - Li (surname)
Note... It isn't complete.  I did not cut and pages all of the information that could go into it.  I present my draft as a concept to be examined and discussed, and not as a final product.  
I ask people not to edit my draft version... if you all find the concept and rough format acceptable, however, feel free to cut and paste it to another page... as a starter for a more complete article.  Blueboar (talk) 15:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. To me this looks like a good starting point. Some obvious edits will be needed - pronunciations are not always different for example. The merged article isn't overly long and it is informative. We should bear in mind, though, that if the article is extended, it may be appropriate to break out separate articles for one or more of the surnames. That will take us back to the question of how to disambiguate, but I still feel sure that with good faith we can find acceptable, if not perfect, solutions. Itsmejudith (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me.--Wikimedes (talk) 17:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: What would a merged article actually look like?

message: This has already been said, but maybe examples will help explain the difference between a WikiProject Anthroponymy surname article and a WikiProject Disambiguation dab article:
(1) WP Anthroponymy articles by family history:
* Burges, Burgiss, Burgis, Burgise, Borges (surname)
* Li, Yi, Yee, Lee, etc. (surname)
(2) WP Disambiguation pages by random sound:
* Li, Li, Li, Li, Li, Li (6 unrelated surnames in late 20th Century Beijing pronunciation and pinyin system)
* Lee, Lee (2 unrelated family names one Irish, one Chinese)
Just as Burges, Burgiss, Burgis may change in Portuguese-Galician, Castillian, Occitan-Catalan etc, so Chinese surnames change by region, by time, and by competing romanization systems. See Unesco Journal of Information Science, Librarianship and Archives 1979  Page 178 "Thus, the family name Deng must not be confused with another family name, Teng. Wade-Giles system writes Deng as 'Teng', and Teng as 'Teng'. By omitting the aspiration mark (') as very often happened, the two family names were confused ..." etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Random break for convenience

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was: Opposed — JFG talk 23:57, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Li (surname) →  – This article explicitly says that 李 is by far the most common Li surname, so this should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT in to the other page. I can't think of a good  title for the new page so please suggest more. On another note, I think there should still the Han Character in the title of Li (surname 李) pages because of WP:CONSISTENCY Prisencolin (talk) 07:39, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 August 2016 

message: Surely no one can object to having a hatnote at tge top pointing out the most common one.--Prisencolin (talk) 06:10, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Surely the person who reverted you twice with explanation is a human being. _dk (talk) 06:59, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't the whole having "faith in our readers" thing is too much of a concern. It's not insulting anyone's intelligence to have a slightly redundant hatnote at the top indicated (what I think) is the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Besides, even for topics that obviously aren't covered by the  page title, we still have a hat note. Meat Loaf the singer is obviously not a food, but we indicate that at the top anyways.--Prisencolin (talk) 16:07, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The hatnote on Meat Loaf serves a different purpose: it provides a link to meat loaf for people who are searching for the food, since that link is not likely to be included in the lead or body of the article. This isn't the case here, readers only need to read to the second sentence to find a link to 李 if they so desire; though do keep in mind that the majority of our English readers could not know which Li surname they are looking for unless they read this article as an introduction. This is compliant with the consensus reached by the RFCs on this page. _dk (talk) 23:56, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If they don't know which one they are looking for, then we need to tell them with a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. That's like saying we should have Las Vegas as a DAB page because people who aren't familiar with Las Vegas don't know if they want to read about Las Vegas, Nevada or Las Vegas, New Mexico. I'm hoping you all have a better reason why WP:PRIMARYTOPIC doesn't apply to this page.--Prisencolin (talk) 17:56, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: If they don't know which one they are looking for, then they come to the article to learn about which one they are looking for. I don't know why you're so hung up about this. And if you spend the time reading the discussion that led to the current consensus, I'm sure you will have your answer. _dk (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there is a longstanding tradition that WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT or WP:PRIMARYTOPIC point to whatever page a term most commonly referred to, and in this case it is clearly Li (surname 李); I'm not sure why this is being circumvented here in favorite of pointing out that WP:OTHERSTUFF exists. I've read the discussion several times, and I think there is bad logic being argued. Ultimately the current setup is a result of a compromise, so I guess I'll have to just respect for the time being.--Prisencolin (talk) 18:38, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  hatnote 

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