Talk:List of paintings by Hieronymus Bosch

message: Alankjackson (talk) 01:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

message: there is the same list of works on Bosch's main page, this page isn't even necessary, is it?
Not really. The page is fucked up anyway so i think we either need a gallery layout (on this or the main page) or just delete it. Ultre 01:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some background on this article.  A while back there was discussion at Wikipedia talk:Categorization about what to do about images of artwork.  It was suggested that instead of having categories for these images, there could be articles that displayed all these images.  This article was created to explore the possibility of doing it that way.  The problem with using categories is that you can't see the images because they are so small.  Likewise, if this was put into the article about the artist it would take up too much space.  It is possible to go to each article about each painting and see these images.  But that isn't easy. -- Samuel Wantman 21:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  is this page necessary? 

message: dont know how this works but i added this article to the list of articles to delete. i've worked on the main bosch page to include every piece of art bosch has done and created articles for them. i've made sure that there isnt a single image or scrap of information that isnt located in the individual articles on the main Hieronymus Bosch page. this page is completely redundant and ill executed. --AlexOvShaolin 02:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because it was a redlink. That means that there was no AFD discussion made. I would suggest that you research the process more or ask somone more experienced for help because a redlink AFD would likely be removed again if readded. --69.156.204.183 03:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: call for deletion

message: page moved a while ago, easier to maintain a list seperate from the main article. --AlexOvShaolin 02:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page moved

message: This article looks very odd to me. 
* For one thing, why the name "Works of Hieronymus Bosch"? The scope of the article is essentially similar to List of paintings by Leonardo da Vinci, List of paintings by Hans Holbein the Younger, and countless other lists of paintings, almost (I guess) all of which are titled "List of paintings by..", similar to lists of compositions by composers ("List of compositions by.."). 
* Why are the paintings listed alphabetically? Perhaps it does make paintings easier to locate, but navigating the page is too difficult. How is the reader supposed to know which of the paintings are triptychs, for instance? Why is there no indication that Ascent of the Blessed, Terrestrial Paradise, etc. are all part of the same work? Etc.
* Finally, why are some of the works omitted? I don't really have any good published sources, but shouldn't Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat be included, for example? Or the Hermit Saints triptych (only the central panel is listed, I understand, and under the wrong name, too)? Is this because those works are no longer attributed to Bosch, or simply because noone got around to including them? If the former is the case, shouldn't they still be listed since they clearly have some relationship to Bosch's workshop?
If noone objects, I think it would be nice to:
# move the article to List of paintings by Hieronymus Bosch
# attempt to organize it according to format, somewhat similar to how it's done at Commons
# fix formatting issues, provide location/size/medium information for paintings, etc.
I've put together a little test for some of the triptychs, which can be seen here. It's not ideal, because images aren't provided for outer panel paintings, but I can't think of a nice way to incorporate them into the article without cluttering it up completely. I'm also not sure as to how to deal with paintings of questionable attribution (I don't have any books here), or how to organize paintings within sections (alphabetical again? Chronological seems preferable but difficult to establish with Bosch...). Any thoughts? Would anyone be interested in helping me out on this? --Jashiin (talk) 11:29, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There were no objections, so I moved the page and reformatted it, introducing images, technical details, etc. I'm not a Bosch expert, so hopefully someone will be able to add to the article. Also, all of the paintings mentioned in the old version of the list are covered now, except for Paradise and Hell and Christ in Limbo. The former seems like just a copy of the outer wings of The Haywain Triptych, and thus not worthy of an article (and the source listed in that article doesn't describe the work as an independent diptych). The latter seems to be usually described as a work by one of Bosch's follwer; but like I said, I'm no expert, so do re-add it if you have the right sources. --Jashiin (talk) 09:16, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice work, this list is far more coherent and understandable. I added Paradise and Hell to a see also section...Modernist (talk) 12:06, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article title, layout, etc. 

message: I just went to the Metropolitan Museum in New York today, and they have a rather nice Bosch that is missing from this page - http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/european_paintings/the_adoration_of_the_magi_hieronymus_bosch/objectview.aspx?collID=11&OID=110000157
I would add it, but I'm working in a hotel with limited resources. Wish I had snapped a picture of it today.
-- Alankjackson (talk) 01:56, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Alan, I guess you mean the Adoration of the Magi (see Dutch article). There's already a picture of it on Commons (see :File:Circle of Jheronimus Bosch Adoration of the Magi (New York).jpg). You could add it, but it's not generally accepted as an original by Bosch. Usually it's described as "Circle of Bosch". Hope this information is of some use. Regards, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 13:00, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, I added the painting as you suggested. I also added a note to the "Philadelphia Adoration of the Magi" and deleted the Two Male Heads (Bosch) (this work is generally rejected as a work by Bosch) as well as the See also-section (Paradise and Hell are identical to the shutters of the Prado Hay Wagon). Hope my English can pass the test. Regards, Vincent Steenberg (talk) 13:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Completeness 

message: There's also this triptych in Valencia - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tr%C3%ADptico_de_la_Passi%C3%B3n_Museo_de_Bellas_Artes_de_Valecia.jpg  That Commons page says it's attributed to a follower of Bosch, but the Museum where it is hanging presents it as a Bosch. Either way, this page says it lists "paintings by Hieronymus Bosch, as well as paintings attributed to him or his school" so perhaps it should go in.81.202.188.33 (talk) 06:19, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Triptych of the Passion