Talk:L'homme armé

message: References are a mess, but I wanted to get roughed out with references before I forget where I found it all!
Linuxlad 23:05, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I looked it up yesterday--it's in the l'homme armé article, pretty much as you say (I have the complete 1980 Grove but not the newer one). Antandrus 16:12, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Hi Linuxlad, Antandrus, and whoever else-- Please let me know if the tune needs fixing in some way; it's easy for me to do with the software... Opus33 06:48, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks perfect to me!  Now it will be running through my head all day ... :-)  Antandrus 16:15, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Tune

message: It would seem more consistent with WP practice to refer to all works which had had a public airing... Views?? Linuxlad 23:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Linuxlad, so long as we leave out ephemeral pop culture uses ("my favorite videogame plays this song when there's orcs"), I agree.  Opus33 01:14, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was armed because of orcs?  Oh, never mind, different question. :)  Agree with Opus.  If the composers are notable--as these appear to be--I think their inclusion is valid.  Cheers,  Antandrus  (talk) 01:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable v non-notable modern examples

message: Don Michael Randel has the tune slightly differently in his New Harvard Dictionary of Music (1986), and so does Christine Ammer in the Harper's Dictionary of Music (1972). Using these resources as a guide, I would change the "ar" in "Que chascun se viegne armer" from a G to an E.
:Thanks, Anonymous.  I did a bit more checking.
*The New Grove has G.
*The Naples manuscript, mentioned in the dicussion above, has G. You can view it at http://www.jstor.org/view/00030139/ap030112/03a00020/1?frame=noframe&userID=958e8da3@ucla.edu/01cce4405b00501cd98a3&dpi=3&config=jstor if you have JSTOR.
:I don't know why Randel and Ammer have E.  And, very curiously, when I listen to the song in my head, I hear E.  I must have encountered this somewhere...
:I would welcome further information on this puzzle.  
:Cheers, Opus33 16:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The recording of the two L'homme armé masses by Josquin, by the Tallis Scholars, has the song done monophonically as the first track.  While I'm at work and can't listen to it now, I'm almost certain they sing "E" there.  (They also sing it in the major key variant -- i.e. B natural, not flat, throughout.)  So I believe both versions may be in use.  Maybe we could revise the file to show both G and E with the E in parens?  Thanks, Antandrus  (talk) 17:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this would be a good idea, though I hope first to figure out where these guys are getting their E from.  Cheers, Opus33 04:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What are the right notes?

message: I'd misinterpreted the disambiguation page Missa L'homme armé as a place to discuss the masses in more detail, and had added a list of recordings there.  I think it would be better to include it in one place rather than by composer.  Any thoughts or suggestions on including this as a new page (e.g. for more detail on Missae L'homme Armé) or including it on this page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbrh1 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  More detail on the Masses 

message: The text currently reads:
'One of the earliest datable uses of the melody itself was in the combinative chanson Il sera pour vous conbatu/L'homme armé ascribed to Robert Morton, which now is believed to probably date from around 1463, due to historical references in the text. Another possibly earlier version of the tune is an anonymous three-voice setting from the Mellon Chansonnier, which also cannot be precisely dated.'
This doesn't seem right. The Mellon Chansonnier can be accessed at: http://imslp.org/wiki/The_Mellon_Chansonnier_(Anonymous) What's in there (on pages 88 and 90 of the PDF file) is actually 'Il sera pour vous conbatu/L'homme armé', the chanson ascribed to Morton (but transmitted anonymously here). Is there another anonymous three-voice setting, the source of which is mistakenly asserted to be the Mellon Chansonnier in the article? Or is it that the chanson in the Mellon Chansonnier was mistakenly assumed to be a work different from Morton's, there in reality being only one early three-voice chanson, namely Morton's? What's the source for the assertion that there are two early chansons incorporating the tune, instead of just one? 130.54.130.245 (talk) 08:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the origin/early uses of the tune 

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