Talk:Redwood National and State Parks

message: Anybody have a source? This, linked from UNESCO Biosphere website seems to raise questions as to whether RNSP is actually in the biosphere. Niteowlneils 02:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking this over...the U.S. Government website states that the park is a biosphere reserve...bottom of their page:, but I believe that the biosphere reserve is for the northern California coast ranges...and area that includes the park.--MONGO 02:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The map has two dots that both go to the coast ranges...the lower one appears more to be related to Redwoods...maybe their website is area specific rather than site specific...--MONGO 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been poking around more, and it seems like there must be at a minimum, overlap. Sure wish I could find a map showing the actual boundaries of the Biosphere--all I can find are ones with a dot at the middle/research station/hq/whatever. EG At least one of the Lat/Long combinations here lands pretty close to the parks (the seconds are guessed, so I wouldn't expect a perfect hit). Niteowlneils 03:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I trust the federal website. I think the biospheres are more like "zones", I don't know why both of those dots go to Coast Ranges...the one definitely looks like it intends to go to Redwoods...they have Corum, Montana seperately linked as a Biosphere reserve, so I find it no surprise that they would feel the tallest trees on Earth and the rare surrounding ecosystem would also be worthy. Thanks for asking as I want all the information in this article to be accurate.--MONGO 03:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: On the page for the Coast ranges, it states that the webpage hasn't been updated since 4/23/2002, and I saw another  that states that the page was last updated in 1992! I think they need a new webmaster.--MONGO 03:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: International Biosphere designation

message: George Lucas "filmed" the Endor scenes for Return of the Jedi...
"Filming" the scenes implies that he was the director of the movie.  He was not - Richard Marquand was.  Lucas was the cowriter and executive producer of RotJ.  If he did some uncredited second unit shooting then I guess the statement would be true, although there was obviously more than just second unit stuff filmed for the Endor scenes and that statement leaves out Marquand and the regular crew.  Perhaps it needs to be changed to something along the lines of "Scenes from Return of the Jedi were filmed..." without giving a specific individual's name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by LwsP729 (talk • contribs) 
:Will take care of it.--MONGO 13:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Filmed" = director? 

message: I have nominated this FA to become TFA on MainPage on U.S. Arbor Day next Friday, April 25th.  Please see User talk:Raul654#TFA ideas for April 21st, 25th & 29th. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 01:04, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioned on your page about the option of "Sequoia" instead, the genus name of the coast redwood, since it's not USA specific.ThreeWikiteers (talk) 06:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you clean up Wikipedia:Today's featured article/May 17, 2008, please?  If whoever wants to does not have administrative rights, leave me a note on my talk page.  –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFA?  How about Arbor Day next week? 

message: Two points to make:
a) How come there are two pictures of the trees in the fog (sections 'flora' and 'fire management')? They both basically show the same thing and basically have the same caption except....
b) the second has the worst caption I've ever read: "Fog is persistent during the summer, as seen here, and the majority of fires are during the fall." A good picture of a controlled burn would add to the 'fire management' section and would fix the double-fog-picture-problem.
Any thoughts? I was surprised to find problems like this (especially the terrible caption) on a featured article...
P.S. also I think it'd be cool to have a picture like this http://www.image-archeology.com/Chandelier_Tree_Giant_Redwood_PC_002.jpg to show the relative size of the trees.
M.nelson (talk) 02:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture complaints 

message: Hello, in the current revision (as of this writing), the first sentence says:
:The Redwood National and State Parks (RNSP) are located in the United States, along the  Pacific Ocean coast of northern California.
Isn't this redundant? California doesn't border any other bodies of water. Why not "Pacific coast" (which would still be a bit redundant but would help people who are unfamiliar with the state) or "coast" (which is less redundant but also potentially more confusing)? Other ideas would be welcome. --Kyoko 15:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just get rid of it. Brutannica (talk) 00:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pacific Ocean]] coast? 

message: No mention of Avenue of the Giants, in the middle of the Redwoods of Humboldt County. Plus, please refrain from tree-hugging, which this article drips of tree resin. Happy highways, everyone, thanks for putting it up on the front page. Off to gold panning American River, kudos :) Kidshare (talk) 22:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Avenue of the Giants is located over 60 miles to the south of the southern boundary of this park in Southern Humboldt, while the park exists in Northern Humboldt County. There is an interesting comparison to be made in that the Newton B. Drury Parkway in Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park is easily as magnificent as the fabled Avenue of the Giants, if shorter by some 14 miles.
Norcalal 05:31, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avenue of the Giants 

message: Working on updating this article...will add citation templates in a couple of days and check/add refs as I go.--MONGO 00:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can help with checking links but not right now.  I'm having problems typing since spilling some coffee on my computer but should have it fixed soon.  Then I can help out. --Aude (talk) 00:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure...that would be appreciated...I will have more time to spend on this in a couple of days.--MONGO 00:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating 

message: To get perspective of the historic compact between the National and State Park Systems, one may want to remain able to see them as 4 distinct entities, which over time are being managed more and more in partnership. For many, many years the parks were united in that their property lines touched, but the underdevelopment of the National Park areas at first left them as large punctuation to the much more mature CA State Parks. My thesis work on this historic compact was of great interest to me as a person who lived in the area. There was barely any signage until the 1980's and that was slow. As many may realize, there is little development outside the State Parks to this day. As a result it seems to be odd how many people want to consider the history of these initially very different entities as though they were always together. I am very interested in seeing that the early history reflect the parks as separate as they were until approximately 20-30 years ago. Also, I am delighted to work with others on this article. As I said there were several errors in the article even after it was a Featured Article (the first time) that I had to address.
Norcalal 05:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Guys...too much detail about a few conservationists is without merit..this article is about the park, not about those that founded or fought to create it. As mentioned above, expansion regarding Burnham and others is not necessary. I was asked to update this article by adding proper citiations and a few to those issues that don't have citiations and to correct a few other changes. We don't need a sandbox to do thses minor things that will help retain it as a featured article. As the primary author behind bringing this article to FA level, all I ask is that people have some patience and let me do the standardization updates as were requested from I do on my usertalk page . My time is limited, so I can only work on this in short spurts. Furthermore, if we can't reference things, then we cannot add them. I will delete any monologue material I see, such as the unnecessary mention about the early conservationists that goes beyond what is needed to follow summary style.--MONGO 07:37, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am inclined to agree. I also think we could better spend our time updating some of the issues that are in arrears. Park business related to management and budget needs updating. Surely these matters can take precedence of another editor's zealous desire to place one conservationist prominently within the article. However, if that person would want to begin writing a main subarticle, I can see no reason to not include it there. But again, this is about the RNSP and primarily the National Park side of it, which comes primarily after the 1960s. Norcalal 09:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have the citations revamped and other issues done in a couple of days. More can be added, but I still am of the belief that the trees and the park itself are the priorities, though the struggle to create the park against a strong logging lobby is something that probably deserves more information, maybe even for someone interested in it, a subarticle.--MONGO 15:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perspective on the compact between the park systems 

message: This dab links here, but I found no mention in the article. It is conceivable that a single has this name, perhaps even gazetted, or mentioned like this one, but I also see how it may have been removed by accident. I left the link up. cygnis insignis 10:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Big Tree is located just of the Drury Parkway in Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park, which is part of RNSP. Norcalal 00:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Big Tree]] 

message: At present, the "In Films" states that Redwood National Park was where Star Wars Return of the Jedi was filmed. I've read that elsewhere, and likewise Jedediah Smith redwoods. Knowing how touchy the parks service is about the groves, I thought that may be inaccurate. A reliable source said the movie was not filmed in those parks. I located more information, and my notes are are at: Redwood Information Page: Scroll for Star Wars notes
A north CA coast paper called the Triplicate ran a story some time ago with correct facts. From the Triplicate, and my source (who works in the redwood forests), is where I acquired the info. It was not state or national park land where the movie was made. Its possible a commercial was filmed in the parks, but not the movie.
Hopefully we can find and agree upon a reference source that substantiates the Triplicate artical. Mdvaden (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Films: potential fact error 

message: "Redwood National and State Parks" is a VERY specific name for only REDWOOD NATIONAL PARK and the three state parks (Prarie Creek, Del Norte Coast, and Jedediah Smith) that are located adjacent to (actually touching) Redwood National Park. Any CATEGORY that goes beyond these 4 parks will be in error and confuse readers. No other parks are included in the historic management compact that exists in between only the three listed state parks and Redwood National Park. Disagree? See Redwood National and State Parks Visitor Guide: National or State Park? section AND  or Call Redwood National Park Headquarters in Crescent City, CA... Norcalal (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  RNSP is only a designation for 3 State of CA Parks and one National Park 

message: In the Recreation section it is stated that the park is 340 mi north of San Fransisco. 340 Mi north of San Fransisco is in Oregon; the park is supposed to be in California. I measured it and the real distance is about 240 mi. The person who stated the length of 340 Mi has also not left a citation for their claim.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agaly (talk • contribs) 05:18, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography error! 

message: The following coordinate fixes are needed for Hyperion (Tallest Tree)
Change 124 E to be 124 W —72.11.140.229 (talk) 09:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: , good catch, thanks. — TransporterMan (TALK) 18:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinate error 

message: The park has a significant problem with poachers, who vandalize and destroy trees to steal burls for decorative wood carvings. The park had to close one park road for night time access due to this issue: http://www.nps.gov/redw/parknews/newton-drury-parkway-will-be-closed-at-night-due-to-increased-wood-poaching.htm - is that an issue for the article? --h-stt !? 17:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw this in the news too...but I loathe news sources for articles such as this. It is worth including though. This article needs a major update now anyway.--MONGO 19:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You can use the release by the park as source, if you don't want to base the edit on some local news website. Or you send an e-mail to Jeff at the park and ask him for any more reliable publication, maybe from law enforcement. He's very approachable and provided me with the picture --> within a few hours. --h-stt !? 10:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  burl poaching 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This one's in decent shape, but needs a little bit of tune-up.  There's smatterings of uncited text throughout, and the detailed information is from 2008, and needs a check to make sure it's still in date.  For instance, the camping rights details quite possibly could have changed since 2008, etc.  This shouldn't be too hard to fix, if someone has the time (I don't really).  Also gonna place a note and WP:CALIFORNIA.  This one's an important article; hopefully it doesn't fall by the wayside. Hog Farm  Bacon 17:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been very much sidetracked but intend to start cleaning up this article in the near term.--MONGO (talk) 06:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Plans are to update this article in 2022.--MONGO (talk) 11:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Update commenced but submit to FAR so everyone there can pick it over like vultures and fail it no matter how much effort is put into it.--MONGO (talk) 02:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  URFA/2020 

message: The issues noted above have not been addressed, and several marginal sources have been introduced since the last notice.  This article needs a featured article review to be restored to current standards.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  21:02, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been very much sidetracked but intend to start cleaning up this article in the near term.--MONGO (talk) 06:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

text: Plans are to update this article in 2022.--MONGO (talk) 11:57, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Update commenced but submit to FAR so everyone there can pick it over like vultures and fail it no matter how much effort is put into it.--MONGO (talk) 02:15, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article review needed 

message: The state of California calls its parks ...Redwoods.. plural. That applies to the three plus Humboldt. The NPS calls its park singular ...Redwood.... California calls its parks ...Park.... and the NPS calls the whole shebang ...Parks.... Hope this helps. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singular and plural 

message: If anyone has time or interest, yesterday Associated Press has a story about "assisted migration" for climate change; they mention a non-profit PropagationNation. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A sentence, maybe two, can be added to the climate change paragraph. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate change 

message: I added one paragraph to European American history. Does anyone think the jump from 1543 to 1775 is too abrupt? According to Bearss, the people who came between those dates seem to have maybe looked at the coast as they sailed by. Corrections welcome. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't bother me! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:05, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the fixes. Do you think this IMSA might more accurately be said to be near the parks?  Little River (Mendocino County) seems to be outside, not in. This also affects the 1775 claim of the first European visitors at Tsurai. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:32, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "near" is better in a conservative sense. I'm not sure if it's more accurate. Tsurai is definitely just 'near', and that's probably worth saying on first mention. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:46, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I finally found a PDF map that I can search sort of. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:56, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

text: That salmon bit was a great addition. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Quick question. What are you talking about here? Edit summary is . The linked version is searchable and supports the use of fire to enhance acorn harvest on several pages. Search for "acorns" and read the snippets. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure what happened! Maybe I was searching for "tanoak", which Lewis breaks apart? No idea. Added a page range with fire use content. If you know of other, better parts to cite, feel free to tweak. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:06, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Tweak made. The Halpern et al. paper is excellent, thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

text: I'm 51% sure that Jenner covers that miner/logger bit, but I won't be able to confirm until later. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 20:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Jenner pp 80–81 surveys mechanization. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess the problem then is  which implies that mechanized clearcutting had been occurring for decades before 1920. Hog Farm  Talk 21:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I see, the lead. Back later. First draft text (from Jenner) that might fit in front of what FFF added today:  (at least this will explain the chronology). -SusanLesch (talk) 22:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the problem solved? -SusanLesch (talk) 15:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think this is better. Hog Farm  Talk 17:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  History jump 

message: , I put numbers 1,2,3,5 in my sandbox. I wonder if you would have time to work on the last batch of FAR comments 4,6,7. Thanks. Back soon. -SusanLesch (talk) 13:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , thank you kindly. Here's hoping you will have at the new lead. I'm away for Super Tuesday. -SusanLesch (talk) 12:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great, ! Mind if I update the FARC folks? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I still have to do number 5. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , please see if you can do your magic on the new section for Coast redwoods. Packing up election today. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hope it went well. New section looks good to me. I did some copy-editing, re-arranging, light trimming. The biggest change was probably dropping the "easily found on the internet" Hyperion bit. Hope that's okay with you. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely! Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , can you have a look at the sentence near the end of Coast redwoods? 96/45 percent. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , I suppose it could be a bit clearer. Is that what you're thinking? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Like this maybe? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, that's fine. I have looked at it too long! I wondered about 45 percent yesterday, and found an excellent source saying they mean in the world. Now I can't find a source to say 96 percent in the world (vs in California). Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:00, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confident it's referring to global totals, which are confined to California and a tiny sliver of Oregon anyway. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Good, thank you again. Now I am back to Climate in my sandbox. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:25, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: We got some climate help from . Table is updated to 2020 (the most recent normals data). -SusanLesch (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

text: Go for it. I have no more to do on this one. Proud of our work here. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:14, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too. Very grateful you showed up! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: FFF, you are the best editor I ever worked with. (And that's coming from an unstoppable WikiProject Minnesota 10 years ago.) KUTGW. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's so kind! It has been a pleasure working with you too! Jealous of your strong WikiProject experience. They're a vanishing breed. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division of labor 

message: *Redwood Amphitheater, Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, Redwood National Park, California
*Prairie Creek Amphitheater, Prairie Creek Redwood State Park, California
*Redwood Forest Theater, Armstrong Redwoods State Natural Reserve, California
*Redwood Amphitheater, Armstrong Woods State Park, Guerneville, California
*Redwood Amphitheater, Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park, Redwood National Park, California
*Sinsheimer-Stanley Festival Glen, Amphitheater, UC Santa Cruz
*Quarry Amphitheater, UC Santa Cruz
*Redwood Grove Amphitheatre, or, Stephen J. Mather Redwood Grove and Amphitheatre, or, Townsend Amphitheater, at University of California Botanical Garden
*The Kreitzburg Amphitheater, or the Redwood Amphitheater, or, Mount Tamalpais Amphitheater, where the Mountain Play is usually held. 
* Redwood Amphitheater, Great America, Santa Clara, California
*Amphitheater of the Redwoods, Pema Osel Ling Retreat Center, Watsonville, California
*Redwood Amphitheater, River Valley Church, Grants Pass, OR
*Redwood Amphitheater, 1440 Multiversity, Scotts Valley
*Redwood Amphitheater, Marin Art and Garden Center, Ross, California
*Amphitheater, Old Mill Park, Mill Valley, California
*Loma Prieta Redwood Amphitheatre,  23845 Summit Road, Los Gatos, California
*Coventry Grove, 300-seat redwood grove amphitheater, 500 Coventry Road, Kensington, California
*Fire Circle, Alliance Redwoods, 6250 Bohemian Highway, Occidental, California
*Redwood Amphitheatre, Amphitheater, Ben Lomond Redwoods, 11737 Alba Rd, Ben Lomond, California
*Amphitheater, Redwood Glen Christian Camp and Conference Center, Loma Mar, San Mateo County, California
*Redwood Amphitheater, Koinonia Conference Grounds, Corralitos, California
*Redwood Amphitheater, Sequoia Retreat Center, Soquel, Santa Cruz County, California
*Amphitheater, Henry Miller Memorial Library, Big Sur, California
*Amphitheater, Kennolyn Stone Creek Village, Soquel, Santa Cruz Mountains, California
*related: National Park Amphitheaters
2601:646:201:57F0:3F2F:7DDB:7B94:977A (talk) 06:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redwood Amphitheaters