Talk:The Bangles

message: I removed the link for "Sweetheart of the Sun" in the discography because it linked to the main "Bangles" article, not an article about the CD.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.69.4.20 (talk) 23:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sweetheart of the Sun discography link removed

message: How do you spell a girl's name Michael Steele or Michele Steele?
A: With letters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.217.215 (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael or Michele

message: The band's official name is Bangles, not The Bangles. The singers stated that in some interviews. Their first name was The Bangs and when they learned of a another band of the same name they dropped the 'The' and added 'les'.
:Do you propose that we move it? --malber 15:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually "The Bangles" appears to be the current official name: see the official site; the most recent album is also credited to "the Bangles" on the cover.  Bangles already redirects here, so all is well. Jgm 16:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The "The" didn't star to appear until their 2003 release, and I'm pretty sure on all their album/singles during the 80s had just "Bangles" on the covers. Now I had this thing for Susanna Hoffs back in the day so I never missed her interviews and TV appearances and I can recall very well her saying that they dropped the "the" and added the "les" when the original The Bangs complained. I agree that we should redirect The Bangles to Bangles, not vice versa.--212.200.204.240 01:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You have an excellent point and "The" is not on the cover material. Since this is a complex move, because the history of the pages needs to be rearranged as well, I'll put it up for a request move which means that we'll take a (quick) vote and see if there is agreement. KittenKlub 07:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of the group

message: "Bangling on?" Is that encyclopedic? --malber 15:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bangling on?

message: How about throwing in a genre of music in there? "Independent all-woman band" hardly classifies as one. Shatha 21:46, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: "A Hazy Shade of Winter" isn't quite a "hit" song by The Bangles... Simon and Garfunkel recorded it back in the 60s. Maybe the article should be edited to reflect that it was a cover. Slavakion 06:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hazy Shade of Winter

message: Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
* Support. KittenKlub 08:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Second QOTD, sorry... Was this right? I only recall seeing bad press about the CD when it came out, and the featured review on the album's article gives it 3/5. Again, are there sources? --maf 17:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As on most pages, the only addition is All Music. So if you have another review you can add it. Basically All Music is one of the few professional sources who keeps older reviews online, because newspapers tend to delete it after two years or so. KittenKlub 17:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did ''Doll Revolution'' really get "rave reviews"? 

message: :Image:Bangles 1980s.jpg is currently tagged as having its author unidentified.  It's obviously a publicity shot and fair use is being claimed on that basis, so who owns the copyright on the image is kind of beside the point, but what can you do...  Anyway, can anyone help track down any identifying information on this, so it isn't deleted by the overzealous among us?  Cheers, Postdlf 23:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The overzealous are probably going to delete it anyhow. I've used another picture from their press/promotional section. Luckily they have identified it as such on their official website (unlike most websites) KittenKlub 23:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good, but the 1980's image is a better illustration of the band, because it shows them during their...well, their "relevant" period.  Maybe someone has a fan mag from the '80s?  Or an autographed picture?  Postdlf 17:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It'll be almost impossible to find anything which has a correct licence. You can't use fan mags, so that means you have to find a fan from the 80s who is willing to both scan and donate it into GFDL. Honestly the current image practice is to restricted especially since non-commercial images are no longer allowed and almost all non-copyrighted images are non-commercial only and for good reason as well. KittenKlub 19:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead image in danger of deletion 

message: I have press releases from the band where the sentances start with 'Bangles are', not 'The Bangles are' and each press release is singed as 'love, Bangles' or something like that. If anyone wants to see it I can mail it to them. Would you now stop claming you know better than the band itself????????? Can there be a better proof than this? Please!! --212.200.212.171 15:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia where there is no such thing as common sense. KittenKlub 15:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is typical Wikipedia BS..their website Official website www.thebangles.com repeatedly refers to them as The Bangles..next an " editor " will change the lead to " the Bangles is.. " bla bla bla and when it is corrected..again there will be another mindless discussion here on grammatical procedure...I is not an editor..if you am go for it. 2600:1702:2340:9470:11F:128F:5F38:5FDF (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  For God's sake it's Bangles not The Bangles 

message: She´s still in the band playing bass and doing chorus for more than a year.I honestly think that she is a member now.
No, she is not an official member of the band.  Her name should be removed from the list.
69.157.176.139 04:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Abby a Bangle? 

message: I removed the following tag just added to the article:
: 
because (A) there was no indication already on this discussion page of why the editor felt this was a useful change; (B) the current section isn't very long; and (C) I see no obvious reason why else a band's discography should be a separate Wikipedia article. But maybe I'm missing something. I invite discussion on the rationale and usefulness of a split. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate discography article 

message: I've collected most of the unsourced trivia from the "Trivia" section and integrated it into the article, in the section currently titled "In personal culture", by writing prose divided into two areas (their outside contributions, tributes to them) and placed in chronological order as a logical flow. I also located a reliable source for each item, although some of the information may need addtional sourcing. (Note that the mere existence of a song or album is not a source. We need a reliable publication, like Internet Music Database or All Music Guide, to be able to verify statements about TV shows and albums. It is not reasonable to expect our fellow Wikipedians to buy a CD or DVD in order to verify information.) Finally, I tried to retain interesting trivial elements — without bogging down the prose — by moving them into footnotes with the citations.
This is just basic high-school English composition. I hope that it provides an example of how a bunch of disconnected trivia can be turned into an arguably useful part of an article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Integrating trivia 

message: The song "Eternal Flame" was not "inspired by Elvis Presley's eternal flames." In the commentary on the Bangles: Return to Bangleonia - and yes it is "the Bangles" now, with "the" in all lower case letters (see the following post) - Susanna Hoffs tells us that her songwriting partner Billy Steinberg simply took note of the phrase "eternal flame" while touring the Presley estate. The flame had gone out and its enclosure was  flooded at the time, prompting a question like, "What's that... in that Lucite box?" To which the tour guide replied, "That's the Eternal Flame". Steinberg repeated the phase "eternal flame" a few times, and simply thought it would be a good title for a song. The lyrics, and the mood or emotion of the song, have nothing whatsoever to do with Presley's eternal flames.
Similarly, Vicki Peterson tells us that she wrote "Stealing Rosemary" as a song title in her notebook as a young teenager. While preparing dinner with her 13-year-old friend, the friend suggested "stealing" some herbs from the neighbors garden, such as "rosemary". The band first performed "Stealing Rosemary" live during their 2000 tour, nearly 30 years after Vicki had written the title and nothing else. The song appears on the Bangles, Doll Revolution (2003).
I'll edit "... inspired by Elvis Presley's eternal flames" to reflect the above statements and cite the source.
I'll leave the reference "Stichting Nederlandse", as it appears intended to be the source for "The single became another worldwide No.1 hit." rather than "... inspired by Elvis Presley's eternal flames." (Which leaves no source for this erroneous claim.)
(If Stichting Nederlandse is the source for the "... inspired by ..." claim, than either the article or the editor is in error. I know nothing about this publication, but citing articles in what are essentially fan magazines is poor sourcing. They're notoriously unreliable.)
Rico402 (talk) 02:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so I've listened to the commentary on Return to Bangleonia again, and found I'd gotten this wrong. Billy Steinberg wasn't with girls when they toured Graceland in the rain. According to Susanna, it was after she told Steinberg about the Graceland tour and flooded plastic box with an extinguished "eternal flame", that he got the idea of using "Eternal Flame" as a song title.
Rico402 (talk) 05:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Eternal Flame" not  "inspired" by Presley's eternal flames" 

message: Since at least the release of Doll Revolution in 2003, the band has gone by the name "the Bangles", with "the" in all lower case letters, and only the "B" in uppercase. The format is followed in the references cited below, except for the "vintage" tee shirt.
The cover art on Doll Revolution reads:
"the Bangles
Doll Revolution"
Similarly, the cover art on the 2007 DVD release of the band's 2000 L.A. House of Blues concert reads:
"Return to Bangleonia
the Bangles"
The band's Web site bears the title "the Bangles", and the new tee shirts, hat and tote bag sold on the sites "official store" also bear the new name.
The "vintage" tee shirt however, simply reads "Bangles".
Rico402 (talk) 01:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the case of "the"... Currently, the band name at the top of the web page is stylized as "the BANGLES", and doesn't determine the case of "the".  The title of all web pages begins with "::: The Bangles :::".  The bags and cap at the website store show "The Bangles".  The copyright message shows "The Bangles" or "the Bangles", depending on the web page (one would expect consistency here).  In the website bio "The Bangles" is used when starting a sentence, otherwise it's "the Bangles".  We should probably follow this last rule. CuriousEricTalk 05:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resolving the "the" debate 

message: The printing on my 12" EP 45rpm says 1982... Maybe that was the print date and it was released in 1983. Somebody, please verify that 1983 really is correct. U.S. Only release is a factual error. My copy was available in Finland: CBS 650961-6. Printed in Holland.
:If it is the 12 inch. it would be 1983. I am looking at the promo copy that was sent out to media and radio stations. "Bangles. © 1983 Faulty Products. Inc". However if it was the non remixed version, and it was a 45, it could be 1982. Although I am not sure about any overseas releases as I do not know what Faulty Products distribution was in foreign markets. Soundvisions1 (talk) 01:24, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a 12". It's not a promo copy, and it's the remix. No mention of "Faulty Products.". AFAIK this was an official Columbia Records release and I ordered it from a listing issued by one of the major Finnish record distributors through my small-town dealer (who hardly would have access to promos).Pnnielsen (talk) 01:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Something is not fitting with that. You said first "The printing on my 12" EP 45rpm says 1982..." but you say "this was an official Columbia Records release" in the reply. The group was not on Columbia in 1982. They were on Faulty until I.R.S picked the E.P up. Could you scan the label and post it? Based on the "650961-6" code you gave it seems to match the EP for the release, not the single. Bangles - I.R.S. Records (Netherlands), Catalog#: ILS 6509616. From what I can see the only "remix" single was the version I have and mentioned. (The Real World (12", Promo)) However, in 1988, IRS/A&M released a CD-3 single (Cat #CC31011) that contained three songs, one of which was, as printed on the CD, "The Real World (remix, previously unreleased)". Aside from these releases I am not aware of any other RW singles of the remix version being released so if you can get that label scan up it would be a help. Thanks Soundvisions1 (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  1983 "The Real World" (remix) 

message: Since there was a developing edit war happening over the guest bassists – one side favoring a short list with little further information, and the other replacing it with a longer, updated set of information including discussion of Abby Travis's mysterious departure – I split the difference and used the latter material to expand the section while keeping the short guest list. I also fixed several problems:
* fact-tagged the Austin Powers recording session because its source was a personal web page, not reliable by Wikipedia standards;
* expanded, formatted, and updated sources for easier editing and research;
* cleaned up the line breaks that thoroughly mangled the article formatting; and
* replaced the vehemently non-neutral conclusions drawn about Travis's departure and the Bangles' ethics (or lack thereof) with text supported by the sources given. (The concert announcement cited as a source was not actually a source for the statements that were made, just the existence of a concert.)
That last issue is important. There's an implication that Travis hadn't realized she'd "left" the band until she read about it, but we currently have no reliable source that actually says this, let alone claims she was "fired". Any such statements need to be backed up by cited, reliable sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, these women are not "guest bassists" and referring to any one of them as such is just foolish sounding. Secondly, Abby Travis may be liked by the fans, but she like the rest are simply tour players and wasting space talking about them, beyond noting their inclusion and departure, is not warranted. Wikipedia is not designed to be a news room, blog or fan page. Travis should have minimal, if any, mention in the main entry. There are too many people here who post without having the slightest idea of Wikipedia protocols are. As with other Wikipedia entries for bands, There is no need for a "list" of "guest bassists" or other fill-in musicians and such lists should be deleted. (209.6.117.47 (talk) 18:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the antagonistic tone, I have to agree with the anon user above. Touring players are never considered part of the band - just as session musicians are only listed in the footnote sections of album liner notes and not in the list of band members. My suggestion is that mention of all touring musicians be removed unless noteworthy to the larger article (such as bried mention of Abby Travis). Ckruschke (talk) 18:58, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guest bassists 

message: The Bangles will be playing at a fundraising party in LA for an animal charity. Maybe a bit more expensive than some of their concerts, but a good cause all the same. http://www.bestfriends.org/lintrollerparty/index.htm Not sure if it's relevant info to their wiki page or not, but possibly in reference to their new upcoming album and "comeback" of sorts?
No, it is not relevant.(209.6.117.47 (talk) 18:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevant? 

message: Updated info about current lineup  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.234.1.160 (talk) 13:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  new lineup 

message: The current early-history section says that Hoffs teamed up with the Peterson sisters and it started with the three of them with Zilinskas added later.
The "History of the Bangles" section on the official website says that Hoffs placed an ad in the LA Recycler that Zilinskas answered and it was through her that Hoffs met the Petersons.
Mark Deming's "artist biography" of Hoffs on the allmusic.com site says that Hoffs answered an ad in the Recycler...while at the same site Stephen Thomas Erlewine's "artist bipgraphy" for the group says it was the Petersons who answered an ad placed by Hoffs (with Zilinskas added later).
Deming mentions the group originally being called the Colours before becoming the Bangs.
That last gibes with a 1987 Rolling Stone article on the band which mentions Vicki Peterson having a friend "Amanda" who she played with in earlier bands,
which in turn gibes with the 2005 article written for the Los Angeles Times by Amanda Hills Podany about her brief reunion with the Bangles whose bassist she had been when they were the Colours  (Podany is now a longtime professor at Cal State Poly) when she said Steele was taking a break from the band...never mentioning Zilinskas.
There's an interview with Hoffs online where she said Podany was briefly with the band between Zilinskas and Steele, and returned briefly before Travis.
At least twice since then there have been 5-member performances where Podany AND Zilinskas performed (December 2016 producing a photo of the five on Vicki Peterson's Facebook page shared by the band's official page AND a Youtube video posted by Podany where Hoffs introduces her for a performance of "He's Got a Secret", as well as the 2018 Arroyo Seco 11-song set).
The "Rock in the OC" site review of the Arroyo Seco concert indicates that Amanda was the one who played with the Petersons first but it's not clear if she played with Hoffs first.
The official site seems to treat the three ever-presents as the only fulltime members of the band though I gather that since Dr. Podany has a full-time job if they perform with a bass guitarist it is likelier to be Zilinskas but it's not clear how often they do any concerts anyway with or without. (They had a concert in the last couple of weeks with Zilinskas).LE (talk) 09:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Found another video in which they discuss their history on stage before playing and get into who answered whose ad...apparently there were multiple ads. A few men have apparently also filled in at bass guitar and one of them, Derrick Anderson, played tambourine with Zilinskas at her old post (she has played in 2014 as well as on the more recent occasions).LE (talk) 16:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: OK,here is an article from Medium from November that really gets into the details of what happened before the Bangs became the Bangles.LE (talk) 03:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineup history