Talk:Shillelagh

message: I'm not sure about the Gaelic pronunciation.  Any speakers or scholars of the language are encouraged to emend it. --Atemperman 02:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Is there any truth that the Shillelagh was first invented due to the banning of weapons by Catholic Irish during the period of the Penal Laws?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madkaffir (talk • contribs). 
:The sail éille certainly predates the Penal Laws, though it could be said to have gained its popularity during that era.  Cured blackthorn was a popular material for walking sticks and had been for years.  It was that innocuous and ubiquitous nature that made them perfect for discreet training by various factions.  They were originally used largely as stand-ins for swords, though the techniques used with them gradually embraced and emphasized the utility of the cudgel itself.
:This is admittedly a broad generalization; as I said blackthorn sticks and cudgels had been popular in Ireland for centuries and many independent evolutions of the modern sail éille could be claimed.  So no, it was not "invented" during the Penal Laws period, it just became more widespread and well known.  My thoughts, at least.  The Cap'n (talk) 17:43, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penal Laws 

message: For notification, I have tagged this article for speedy deletion for apparent copyright violations. MikeHobday (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Shillelagh Law]]

message: A change was made recently stating that the stick is named for the village. I can't check the OED cite to verify the claim, but it goes against everything I ever read about the derivation of the term. From my understanding it's purely coincidental that the name of the village (Síol Éalaigh, meaning "Descendants of Éalach") and the name of the stick (Sail éille, meaning a stick on a string) were anglicised to similar sounding words. Certainly the village has - in recent years - become associated with the stick. But that is hardly surprising as tourists turned up in the town looking for some connection. However the Irish terms for both do not support the claim that they have the same derivation. An alternative verifiable cite (or an explanation of the OED cite) would seem to be in order for clarity here! Guliolopez (talk) 08:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I copypasted all relevant passages from the OED entry to the ref note and added another, open-source ref. I also removed the tag but iff you can source your claim it should probably be added as an alternative etymology. --Thrissel (talk) 10:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Town and stick link 

message: The quote in the History section mentions "spears and wattles."  I can't find anything on the web that refers to a wattle as a weapon specifically.  What is this?  I think a reference for this would be useful.  99.245.230.104 (talk) 23:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wattles 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved.  Colin M (talk) 20:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 April 2022 

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