Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games/Archive 2007

message: Just saw a news report today about something called the 'O'Byrne Cup.'  All the time I hear reports about this cup and that cup, and most of the time I've never heard of these competitions before.  I'm recommending we start a page that has a complete list of GAA competitions and a brief summary of what each one is.  I think it'd be a handy reference. --Eamonnca1 18:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prolly a breach of protocol not waiting for replies but I went ahead and created it. --Eamonnca1 18:31, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No breach wiki encourages people to WP:Be bold (Gnevin 14:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Competitions

message: I was wondering, I have a good digital camera and i was wondering if I took pictures of photos in books on Dublin GAA, would that mean I could use those photos on the pages? Frainc 16:35 28 December 2006
:Fairly sure that's a violation of the books publisher/authors copyright. However if you want to go to some Gaelic matches and take pictures for us to use, feel free. :P -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 02:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this morning I came across a similar thing. My mother had a book relating to the GAA teams of the East Tyrone loughshore. The book doesn't say anything about copyrights or authors, and most of the pictures are from the 40s or so with big leather balls and warped looking hurlies. Anyone think I should take some pictures of this? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 13:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per  — for works first published in the Republic of Ireland where all the authors died over 70 calendar years ago, or if the authors are not known, where the works were published over 70 calendar years ago.  the image must of be published in 1937 or before if published in ROI . I cant find anything about the UK  (Gnevin 14:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Same as above for program unless is says no copyright than copyright must be assumed (Gnevin 18:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Update apparently if the person is not playing any more could might be able to claim fair use on the image (Gnevin 15:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:03, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I noticed on the Australia Wikiproject, they assess articles. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/Assessment. Is this something we should consider?--Macca7174 18:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To be honest i feel this is the biggest waste of time ,its so random the assessment in general are without any guidelines and given by one person, The time it would take to assess the 650+ articles in our scope can be better spent (Gnevin 19:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment of articles?? 

message: Would it be possible for someone with more skill than me to alter the article on Dermot Connolly to actually reflect the lad's name. His name is Diarmuid, not Dermot. This is what he was christened by his parents and it is the name they and his teachers use. Lazy journalists have not exactly helped! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.102.101 (talk • contribs) 22:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll happilly do it, if you can provide some reference that that's what most people call him. I'd go ahead and take your word for it, but making a change into Irish going by an anonymous users suggestion would send the many aggressive unionists on this site mad. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 23:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree i'd normally happily move but a quick search hasn't shown the above usage (Gnevin 01:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll take your word for it, I can't see anyone complaining about this. My references to unionists was just that there is sometimes controversy on wikipedia on using Irish words. I was a bit quick shooting my mouth there though, I'll change this name now. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Connolly

message: I've created two templates , please tell me which you like best and any improvement it might need
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::They are very wide - could you not narrow them so they don't take up so much space?--Macca7174 00:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Down to 75% , is that better? (Gnevin 01:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it is better, but they still look like they are wasting a lot of space because of they way they are center justified. THis may be my opinion only?--Macca7174 00:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they look good. I can see where Macca is coming from, but I don't have any suggestions to improve unfortunately. -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 00:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So should we go with A or B my vote would be with B (Gnevin 23:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A --Eamonnca1 03:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: B--Macca7174 08:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ok i went with B see (Gnevin 01:55, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gaelic Games Template

message: I have nominated Peter Canavan for WP:GA status. here is the candidates page.--Macca7174 21:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made major revisions to the Peter Canavan article, could someone check it for typos, or bad markups etc??--Macca7174 14:05, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Peter Canavan]] Good Article Nom

message: Copyed from WP:IWNB 
Added merge proposal template to Up the Deise. Article seems to have been created purely to advertise a .COM of the same name, and likely isn't worthy of article on own - but could be merged to Waterford GAA. Comments at Talk:Waterford GAA before I go ahead and merge. Guliolopez 16:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done(Gnevin 21:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Can someone please add the 2006 all stars to GAA_All_Stars_Awards_Past_Winners_(Hurling) (Gnevin 00:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: done- I went against type a bit, so maybe you should check it out. Also some of the wikilinks are red, so if someone could change them to the proper namespace.--Macca7174 10:16, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK i've tided and add the category to each player (Gnevin 19:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Hurling all stars  

message: Any suggestion on how to improve 
I've included the newly created football one as a comparison 
(Gnevin 00:02, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, uniformity would definately be the order of the day - I think we need to decide on one of those formats. I think it would be highly difficult to recreate the standards of each championship for the last hundred years (1990 hurling is particularly good), especially since sources are extremely difficult to come by the further back you go. 
Maybe it would be a better idea to sum up the championships by decades. For example, "In the 60's, Kikenny won the All-Ireland [#] times, notably in 196[#], when they beat [#] in a pulsating final. Other notable champions in the 60's were [#], who beat [#] in the 1967 final." - obviously the more information we get the more comprehensive the articles will get - and eventually we could use individual year namespaces.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

text: What you all think of this  ? 
(Gnevin 16:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions wanted  

message: I don't know how to create a kit properly. If someone knows how to do it, there are pictures of the Errigal Cairan kit here. Errigal is the team in the ladies match, with white tops and blue shorts.--Macca7174 17:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done see Talk:Errigal Ciarán(Gnevin 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kit template for [[Errigal Ciarán]] 

message: I have updated both of these infoboxs with fields for NFL, NHL and occupation (Gnevin 19:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|Infobox GAA player}} {{tl|Infobox GAA dualplayer}}

message: nominated for deletion see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Harte
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Mellon
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cormac McGinley
(Gnevin 16:09, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, guys, cheers for the help with these AfDs. I had started these articles ages ago, and I was pretty rusty as to wikifying. They were nom'd in the worst possible time for me, since I was so busy for the last week.--Macca7174 13:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: All-Ireland winners nominated for deletion

message: Well ? Seems like i'm on my own again , anyway back to tagging pages with  with AWB(Gnevin 23:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Anyone out their?

message: Could someone write a longer intro to Peter Canavan. It's quite difficult for me to do it, because I wrote it myself, and find it difficult to look at it objectively. Thanks--Macca7174 13:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was considering radically restructuring the Canavan article, because as it is (each significant year of his career given a subtitle of its own), it doesn't read very fluidly, and certainly doesn't look much like a good encyclopedia article. However, having seen Alex Ferguson, I'm not so sure it needs such a radical makeover. Anyone else have any thoughts??--Macca7174 01:13, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gilberto Silva and Denis Lawis are FA and would proberly best to base the canavan article on these rather than ferguson (Gnevin 07:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Peter Canavan]]

message: Hi everybody,
I was wondering, ¿do the irish inter rules football team or the GAA use a flag for their matches? Maybe the four provinces or the Saint Patrick's cross flag. Regards. Ffahm 14:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , yes the GAA use the Flag of Ireland (Gnevin 14:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Gnevin. One last question: ¿the tricolour flag represents all Ireland or only the Republic of Ireland in GAA matches?. Ffahm 15:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the purpose of Inter county GAA matches the tricolour is flowen not matter what ,even if its London v New York. The GAA like the IRFU are and all ireland body and the one Ireland team repersents the whole of the island in interional rules games , hope that helps  (Gnevin 16:20, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for your time. Ffahm 17:11, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag of Irland in IRF 

message: considering the fair use rationale for Peter Canavan's picture, that it's a historically significant picture, because it shows him lifting Sam, could the same rationale be used to justify a similar picture of Brian Dooher? Also, Gnevin, where did you get the picture for Canavan?--Macca7174 18:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say you should be able to claim fair use esp if its on him with sam  once its not a general shot of him playing as a current player wiki expect us to be able to get a free image of him, I got the peter shot from  and you should also read [(Gnevin 19:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok cheers, so, there's a few pictures on BBC websites, here is probably the best one. How do I put it up onto the page??--Macca7174 00:38, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about the major late reply , must of missed it on my watchlist somehow, any way i've added the image (Gnevin 19:01, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually - i went ahead and put the photo up anyway, but it was removed. Maybe you'll have justified better...?--Macca7174 00:46, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm very strange, fair use can well be claimed , i'll keep the picture on my watchlist (Gnevin 07:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of [[Brian Dooher]] 

message: I don't know how many of you are aware of del.icio.us, but basically you can save webpages, with tags giving people a clue as to what is on them. I think this would really help our cause if we all got a del.icio.us account. 
Basically every time we are doing some research, it is inevitable that we will come across pages about other players. We could tag those pages with "WikipediaSource" + [county] + [GAA] + [player' names]. 
For example, I have tagged this page with GAA Wexford Tyrone FergalLogan MattyForde Ireland WikipediaSource RTE. It is an article regarding Matty Forde's appeal against suspension.
Here is the tags I have saved so far under [WikipediaSource]. So far most of them are Tyrone pages, really. But if everyone got on board, it would quickly expand, making life much easier for us all.--Macca7174 11:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should start using del.icio.us bookmarks to help each other with sources 

message: I have started the stub on Pat McEnaney, is there a need for infoboxes does anyone think??--Macca7174 12:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm , i dont know i suppose i could change up the  manager box, how much need would their be for it ? 
Pat is the most notible ref would any of the rest pass WP:NN (Gnevin 09:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox referee?? 

message: Can we discuss this before moving it a possible third time , should it be named 
:Category:All-Ireland winning captains (football)(Gnevin 09:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was me who told user:Leo1977 to change the spelling :Category:All-Ireland-winning captains (football). It was badly mispelled before that, although I had my own doubts about the double hyphenation. I'm pretty sure All-Ireland-winning is grammatically sound, but if it looks peculiar to some maybe the whole category should be rephrased. All-Ireland Final-winning captains... perhaps? or Successful All-Ireland hurling/football final captains?--Macca7174 00:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  A other thought is that should senior be included in the category title ? (Gnevin 07:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any ideas (Gnevin 20:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Including 'senior' implies that we are going to create a category for Minor and U-21 captains. It would be difficult to justify the validity of these I would image.--Macca7174 00:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was more thinking down the lines of not including senior would  allow people to have u21 and minor mixed in such as Bryan Cullen(Gnevin 10:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

text: How about [Sam Maguire-winning captains], or [Captains of Sam/Liam-winning teams] - Maybe we don't even have to differentiate between football and hurling?--Macca7174 13:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:All-Ireland-winning captains (football)]]

message: Please take note ,the above have been changed and height and DOB will needed to be update to show correctly (Gnevin 20:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Update's to {{tl|Infobox GAA player}} and {{tl|Infobox GAA dualplayer}}

message: This is releated to the Peter Canavan article. Which of the above is correct , i think the should be All Star (Gnevin 07:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty certain it's All Star - any incidents of All-Star on my part, was purely out of habit from writing All-Ireland.--Macca7174 00:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok i'll need to update the infoboxes then (Gnevin 11:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: All Star, All-Star or All star

message: I have started adding the scorers to the Ulster table of the 2007 championship page. I think this should be a habit we should get into. This is very informative, and will look good come the end of the year and it would mean we could keep a top scorers list up to date relatively easily (I'm pretty sure I've only ever seen these in match programmes). This site (Gaelic Survival) gives the scorers for all the matches (the paddy papers might do it, but I'm in London, and don't see those), as well as team lineouts. I suggest you check it ax.--Macca7174 20:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: has the GAA announced a date for the qualifiers draw??--Macca7174 10:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: RTÉ's showing it live after the Leitrim vs Galway match on Sunday.  The draw's taking place in Carrick-on-Shannon.  Derry Boi 21:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[All-Ireland Senior Football Championship 2007]]

message: Here and Here have some useful profiles/interviews with certain players that we might find of use.  I'm sure most of us already know of the Hoganstand one, but just in case. Derry Boi 20:04, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some useful profiles 

message: Its seems very difficult getting date of births for GAA players. As we all know programmes usually prove useless as far as DOBs are concerned, but I've noticed the programme for the 1994 game between Derry and Down (regarded by many as the best game ever) has DOBs, so maybe just maybe all of the 1994 programmes have DOBs (if anyone has any knocking about).  I know its a long shot, but anything with regards to date of births is worth mentioning. Derry Boi 20:11, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a few programmes from Tyrone's 2005 run, and they seem to be random as to which ones give DOBs. The semi final does, the final doesn't. interestingly, Ryan McMenamin's DOB is never published, if anyone is feeling speculative...--Macca7174talk 13:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Programmes (again) 

message: The info box on the London GAA page has London as having 'special county' status. Thats not the case. London is a defacto county of the gaa - part of the Province of Britain - in the eyes of the GAA - along with the 6 other 'counties' in Britain.
:The special county is for the likes of New york(Gnevin 23:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britain and County Status 

message: Was just wondering if it'd be a good idea to have some sort of different infobox for managers like Eamonn Coleman, Kevin Heffernan and Joe Kernan who had successful playing careers as well as succesful managerial careers. I suppose something in the mould of a dualplayer infobox would be good, where we could put in details of their playing career as well as managerial behaviour. What does everyone else think? Derry Boi 13:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already have it  (Gnevin 16:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah but I mean an infobox where we can include their playing honours/clubs/county career, etc as well as their managerial career info if you get my drift.Derry Boi 23:46, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If they where players use  ,merging the two is far too confusing over 50 fields (Gnevin 19:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox for managers. 

message: Anyone know of an online resource that gives stats, for lack of a better word, for Gaelic players? I was just looking for more sources to add to the Seán O'Connor article, which has ended up at AFD, although I tend to think it has ended up there as a victim of another article of the same name that was deleted for good reasons. I can find match reports, of course, but I was wondering if anyone had other sources? (The fact that I am from Limerick is entirely coincidental. ) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 22:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've posted on the AFD in question. As for sources ,  Google is all i know (Gnevin 12:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone know of an online resource? 

message: The GAA is over 120 years old, I would imagine that the logo :Image:Gaelic_Athletic_Association.png is of a similar age (which I would imagine puts it under the UK system), does anyone know if/when the copyright expires/expired? The Fashion Icon 19:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The copyright never expires or wont until 80 years after the GAA no longer exist as far as i know (Gnevin 20:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright

message: As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Drum GAC is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 15:00, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expert review: Drum GAC 

message: The article for Dublin hurler Shane O'Rorke has been nominated for deletion. Bláthnaid 22:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does verge on fancruft slightly, especially considering he has not played senior intercounty hurling yet. Maybe if was it a bit more dispassionate it would be less conspicuous for AfD.--Macca7174talk 15:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD for [[Shane O'Rorke]] 

message: I have now created the by-year categories: see :Category:Years in Gaelic Games and sub-categories.  You'll see that the structure includes by-decade categories such as :Category:1990s in Gaelic Games, which can be useful for events which span a few years, as well as providing a useful grouping of categories.
I have also nominated the old by-year categories for deletion: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 18#Years_in_Gaelic_games, where your comments would be welcome.
In the course of recategorising articles to the new categories, I found a large number of unreferenced article, which are now tagged as such. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  By-year categories created 

message: At the recently-closed CFD, it was requested that the closing admin drop a note here to make sure the templates were updated.  I went ahead and make the updates to the obvious templates, but can someone here just give it a look over to make sure I didn't miss anything?  Thanks.  --Kbdank71 16:16, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD for WikiProject Gaelic Games 

message: As per WP:CAPS and in line with other titles such as American football and Highland games, I've renamed Gaelic Games to Gaelic games (only proper nouns would be exempt from the use of the lower case). Most links are already directing to the new name, but much of the text on these project pages, for example, is still linking to the the old name. Maybe someone who is a member would like to have a look? Thanks. Schcambo (talk) 16:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming Gaelic Games to Gaelic games