Talk:Scott Walker (singer)

message: surprised to find no information re his personal life  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.34.145.82 (talk) 15:30, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: Occasionally one finds in press coverage an allusion to a struggle with alcoholism, and in the 30 Century Man documentary Walker mentions that after the 1960s came "a whole lot of drinking". Perhaps these personal struggles could be added to the article, assuming appropriate citations could be found? It would certainly help explain his artistic changes in the early '70s. 188.24.74.173 (talk) 03:36, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcoholism 

message: "their popularity and fan base is said to have exceeded The Beatles in the UK and Europe"
Said by whom? I was there in the 60s, fully aware of the pop scene, and the statement is ridiculous. Compared to John Paul George & Ringo, The Fab Four, The Boys, The Moptops, The Beatles, whatever you want to call them, the Walker Bros were all but irrelevant. They couldn't even write their own tunes so their wasn't even a "Lennon-McCartney" comparison.
76.103.116.3 (talk) 23:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popularity 

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message: Scott Walker IS!!! Jewish  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.112.116 (talk) 12:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Source?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

text: No.  We need a source.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Scott Walker's religion

message: You don't need a source! He just is! It's a known fact, like Bob Dylan is and Leonard Cohen is and Lou Reed and just like the late great WHO drummer Keith Moon! (136.186.254.152 (talk) 00:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  We need a source.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:29, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't need a source! 

message: www.telegraph.co.uk › Culture › Film › Film Reviews‎
Apr 27, 2007 - Instead, there is at times a tacit embrace of Walker as an American who renounced America, the Jewish modernist named Scott Engel who ...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.149.113.202 (talk) 00:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Okay then! 

message: This section is, with one exception, unsourced. I've tagged it for the moment, but I'm intending to be ruthless and remove it if nobody adds some sources in the next couple of weeks ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 22:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Many of these claims can be sourced via the documentary 30 Century Man (Bowie and Jarvis Cocker, especially, come to mind) - I'll need to do a bit of digging regarding how to cite AV Media and re-watch the movie before making a move, though. That being said, some of the influence claims in this are pretty spurious. Kaini (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like you're more knowledgeable than I am on the subject: I'll leave it in your hands ;-)  ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence on other artists 

message: Just casually reading this and have no idea how to use wikipedia but last paragraph of "early history" section doesn't seem to make a lot of sense; don't know how Walker could have met John Maus in 1961 when Maus wasn't born until 1980... also the Surfaris page has no mention of Walker, and why would Walker have a sister with the last name Maus?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.70.83.222 (talk) 19:01, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: See John Maus (nothing to do with this article) and John Walker (musician) - whose birth name was John Maus.   Someone added an incorrect and misleading wikilink to the wrong person's page.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: John Maus

message: User:Holanthony Seeing as Wikipedia guidelines ask that the infobox be kept general (2-4 genres ideally), we should be aiming for a general overview of Walker's career, not adding in every genre tag that's ever been associated with him in print, let's see what labels seem to be most popular:
*Pop music
*avant-garde music
*art rock
*experimental music
*orchestral popNickson, Chris. "The Sons of Scott Walker." CMJ New Music Monthly. Nov 1997. p. 20.
*baroque pop
*blue-eyed soul
*country rock, country pop, or simply country (note—all the sources seem to treat this as a weird, unrepresentative phase in Walker's career, not a defining style) 
To condense all this, I suggest: 
*pop
*avant-garde
Simple and general, encapsulates everything else on this list without getting bogged down in specifics.
Also, if you're going to add in genres, mind paying any attention to the capitalization and citation formatting so that page doesn't look like trash?
GentleCollapse16 (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you really not think that all of Walker's output could be categorized under the incredibly broad labels of "pop music" and "avant-garde music"? Those are purposefully large phrases that don't lump him into any narrow, particular styles while doing justice to his breadth. I mean, the Beatles recorded three or four records of "psychedelic rock" but that's not up on their page, Miles Davis could be lumped in with 20 different styles over his 4 decade career but his page just says jazz—there's no reason to go for stingy specifics and box an artist into all these little made up terms.GentleCollapse16 (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there are too many categories. Even the lead  emphasizes that he's had an "unorthodox path", so it's reasonable to want this to be more specific, but I still think simple is better in this case. As a practical matter, crowded infoboxes don't effectively provide information, they just cause eyes to glaze over. That's especially true for music infoboxes, which tend to become dominated by those who already have strong opinions about what genres belong and which don't. Keeping it simple is a good way to limit this, and all the info can still be presented in the body with appropriate context. Grayfell (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  genres 

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message: I've noticed with many Wikipedia articles that if a musician moves to another country and takes citizenship in that country, this is reflected in the article. (For example, Arnold Schoenberg is described as an "Austrian-American composer.") In this article, Walker is referred to as "American." He's been based in Britain since the 1960s and (as the article states), he took U.K. citizenship in 1970. So shouldn't he be referred to as "Anglo-American" now?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.113.154.209 (talk) 09:38, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is a fair point, and I've edited the lead accordingly - to state that he is American-born, and placed the mention of British nationality in the opening paragraph.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 10:59, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't edit-war about it, but I think the best solution is "American-British X" or something like that. "American-born British X" makes it sound like the American part of his nationality is incidental or trivial, and that the fundamental nature of the artist is British. I'd say the first 22 year of a person's life are quite formative - it's not like he way born on a layover. 2606:A000:8183:F400:58:F44D:45E8:309D (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 08:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  "American-born British" is pretty clear.  "American-British" is unclear (especially, I think, to people in the UK who would not use such terminology).  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:47, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  American? 

message: Why is there no mention of the fact he is Jewish? (165.120.18.233 (talk) 13:37, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are the sources that say that he is?   Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: His real name was Engel, a Jewish name. (86.180.20.239 (talk) 12:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not enough.  He may well have had Jewish heritage, but to describe him as Jewish requires a reliable source and, preferably, some evidence of self-identification.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish 

message: The breathtakingly incorrect date of death needed changing. Not only does this source quote "Friday" (22nd March), but the respected UK newspaper The Guardian, in its obituary, confirms this date, rather than the 25th (see here for that obit, and scroll to the bottom line). Ref (chew)(do) 00:02, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of death