Talk:DirectX/Archive 1

message: DirectX 10 beta is available in build 5238. --SuperWiki 01:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: DirectX 10

message: About "Since version 8.0 DirectDraw is integrated in Direct3D."  While this is what Micorosoft claims, they pretty much nuked DirectDraw.  There is some DirectDraw functionality in Direct3D (DirectX Graphics), but most of the API is totally gone.  I think we should take this text out.  Any objections?  If not, I'll remove it. -Frecklefoot 20:59 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
:How about change the sentance to something like: "since version 8.0 some functionality from directdraw have been integrated into direct 3d". It should be mentioned that directdraw isnt a part of directx in recent versions. -User:Modster 21:09 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)
::How about, "deprecated since version 8.0?" In the DirectDraw article it is mentioned that it is no longer available directly in DirectX. -Frecklefoot
:::DirectDraw is no longer being updated since before version 8.  All existing DirectDraw calls are valid and working in future versions, but you must access alternate documentation to use them, as Microsoft is pushing to move all 2D into a 3D realm so the power of current GPU's can be used to they're fullest.  This is accomplished through D3DXSprite interface.  I'd recommend dropping DirectDraw down to a subnote, and explaining the history.  Gamedev.net info.  --ORBIT 12:10, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: DirectDraw death?

message: "developed by Criterion, which was then bought by Electronic arts"
:I don't think this is correct, can someone prove me wrong? Mintguy
:It is not correct. It was developed in-house at MS. Alex St. John has written on this, and about the 'missing directx' pieces on a number of occasions. Secondly, the company in question is Criterion, RenderWare is their main product.
::That's pretty much what I thought, i'll remove it, and post a note to the user. Mintguy
:::Oops, soory, I didn't check the details. RenderMorphics was the company, and it was bought by MS to develop D3D inhouse. I acted before checking because I was showing a friend how good Wikipedia was. I'm mainly busy on the Swedish Wikipedia otherwise.
No, Microsoft bought RenderMorphics, not RenderWare.  At that time, there were the "British Three", three good 3D libraries being used by some games: RenderWare, RenderMorphics and BRender.  However, most advanced games did their own software rendering, and did not use any general purpose libraries (DOOM, Unreal, Duke Nukem, etc).  The first version of DirectX was based on RenderMorphics, which was somewhat retained-mode.  To make it more immediate-mode, they exposed some of the internal datastructures of RenderMorphics, which resulted in the ill-fated execute buffers.  After this, Chas Boyd (who should be a prominant part of this article!) and his team began completely redesigning and rewriting Direct3D.  He also invovled game developers and engineers from nVidia and ATI in these plans.  So, there is still quite a bit of history here that isn't being told.  DonPMitchell 17:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: RenderWare

message: Anyone want to take a shot at cropping the logo?  We don't need all the extra blackspace at the bottom--its not part of the logo. — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:28, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
:Done. You might have to shift+reload to see the new image (I was seeing an oddly  squashed version for a minute there). --Mrwojo 22:21, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Crop the logo

message: xna is NOT an api replacing dx, its a framework, an overlay over directx and hlsl, its not going to replace dx.  i am deleting that stuff on xna coz its wrong --GregLoutsenko 12:16, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  XNA 

message: Is it just me, or is anyone else confused as to where DirectX got stuck with major version 4 and can't seem to get rif of it. In the table, it list's each Version Number. They all have a major verison of 4 and the minor versions are the actual DirectX versions. But there is no where in this article that explains why this is. I have no idea, do you? If so, help us out a little! Did it launch with Windows NT 4.0, so they slapped that in front or what?
: If I recall correctly, major version 4 meant was for system files in the win9x lineage, whilst major version 5 was for the nt line...  24.17.101.107 05:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More History 

message: OpenGL was the 3D API before ever DirectX was ever a project.
It is currently present in EVERY operating system, while DirectX is only present on some incarnations of Windows.
So I think, OpenGL is, and was, a de facto standard long before DirectX appeared in scene.
—Claunia 14:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Simply being present surely does not make something a de facto standard, it must be dominant in terms of actual usage.  After all, most browsers still support Gopher, but that doesn't make it a de facto standard.  OpenGL is not dominant enough in the games industry to qualify, IMO. 60.234.129.57 19:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DeFactoStandard 

message: In the release history table, the logo cell is overlapping into the next cell, causing the vertical bar (column separator) to get positioned on top of text. I am using IE7B2. If this is not a browser specific issue, please modify the table to take care of this formatting issue. --Soumyasch 07:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Formatting in Release History section 

message: I've removed Category:Integrated development environments from the article, because I'm fairly certain that DirectX is not an 
Integrated Development Environment. (I've never used Visual Studio, so I don't know if it has any special support or plug-ins for programming DirectX apps. If it does, maybe that's what User:J.sweeton@wnri.com was thinking of when he added that category.) —Chris Chittleborough 14:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, DirectX is not a IDE. More of a gaming library (graphics, sounds, etc.). DirectX is available as a SDK (software development kit), so you would need a separate IDE. —Pelladon 18:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not an [[integrated development environment]] 

message: At the very last line of The Future of DirectX, there's a line that states:
DirectX 10 is available exclusively to Vista, which means that computers that aren't running Vista will not be able to run later games which require DirectX 10.
This line is very striking and questionable that just demands for a reference or source. Furthermore, to avoid confusion, I have changed the word "games" to "applications" as games are not the only software that will use the DX10 SDK.
--BirdKr 13:37, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's true; Vista requires DirectX 10, and DirectX 10 requires Vista.  Any app that requires DX10 means it's a Vista-only game.  Essentially, by the way, we're talking about games, and IMO "games" is a better term to use than "apps" in this context.  Tempshill 21:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought 10 was XP also... better check my MS blogs again soon :). RN 21:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Currently a number of apps which are not games use DirectX, including Direct3D and other parts. I see no reason to assume this trend won't continue. While games will likely be the first normal apps to really start to use DX10, this doesn't change the fact that games (and benchmarks) are not the only things using DX. N.B. Benchmarks will probably be the first apps to use DX10 but they aren't really normal apps IMHO (although this does demonstrate the fact that apps other then games use DX10). BTW, I have seen numerous reports suggesting DX10 will be Vista only. Of course, MS could change their mind. Nil Einne 19:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, I'm not particularly sure what you mean Vista requires DX10. Vista will comes with DX10, I assume. However you will get along perfectly well without hardware (especially a 3D card) that supports DX10. Of course, once apps start to require DX10, then you will obviously need hardware if you want to use said apps. But this is likely to take quite a while since it is unlikely anyone would lock themselves out of a large portion of the market so soon. And again, it's only assuming you want to use said apps and won't matter if you don't. Nil Einne 19:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think there should there be a mention of the unofficial port of directx 10 to Xp by the Alky Project. It's still in it's alpha preview according to the offical site http://www.techmixer.com/download-directx-10-for-windows-xp/ i believe this maybe noteworthy75.51.188.162 (talk) 02:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DirectX 10 exclusively available to Windows Vista? 

message: i'm reffering of coarse to the fact that microsoft only pipe loads of resources into it because it means less development on competing platforms, locking many people into windows.... this is considered monopolistic by many but there's not a word of it in the article...
:I don't know what your above statement means (clarify?), but if you can find a source for it, go ahead and add it (and cite your source).  We have to be careful not to include original research.  Also, please sign your posts (~~~ or ~~~~). — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd add that there's already a statement in the article that some people think DirectX is an example of the embrace, extend, extinguish model, so I think you're covered.  Tempshill 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  shouldn't we talk about the controversy surrounding DX? 

message: What the hell is this section?  It is badly written, non-factual and looks like crap.  Can someone enlighten me please?  I am going to go back into the History archives, find the last decent one and replace this section.
Any problems with this, please let me know here or on my talk page.
Stuart Steedman 13:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Section 

message: DirectX from December 13 2004 was last pure 32-bit only distribution - look here , its requirements matches only 32bit OSes. Next bimonthly update from February 9 2005 has 64bit mention in requirements - look here: 
Please download both DirectX, and you see using CAB viewer, that DX from December 13 2004 doesn't include 64-bit related filenames, while next update released two months later contains at least one 64-bit related filename.
DirectX from December 13 2004 requirements:
*Supported Operating Systems: TabletPC; Windows 2000; Windows 2000 Advanced Server; Windows 2000 Professional Edition ; Windows 2000 Server; Windows 2000 Service Pack 2; Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 2000 Service Pack 4; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows Server 2003; Windows XP; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Service Pack 1
DirectX from February 9 2005 requirements:
*Supported Operating Systems: Windows 2000; Windows 2000 Advanced Server; Windows 2000 Professional Edition ; Windows 2000 Server; Windows 2000 Service Pack 2; Windows 2000 Service Pack 3; Windows 2000 Service Pack 4; Windows 98; Windows 98 Second Edition; Windows ME; Windows XP; Windows XP 64-bit; Windows XP Home Edition ; Windows XP Media Center Edition; Windows XP Professional Edition ; Windows XP Service Pack 1; Windows XP Service Pack 2; Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 
Please don't delete this mention in release table - it is informal for 32-bit users which last version of DirectX is still 32-bit only. 64-bit DirectX began to be bigger than 50 MB, while pure 32-bit version of DirectX has only nearly 30 MB.
I readded these links:
*Direct link to last pure 32-bit DirectX 9.0c from December 13 2004
*Direct link to first 64-bit capable DirectX 9.0c from February 9 2005 
because they are important for Windows Me users to point at last DirectX that is still fully usable to them without any 64-bit overhead. Please don't delete them. Wikinger 16:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last pure 32-bit DirectX 

message: The advent of leaked R600 information mentioned a draft 10.1 version of directX.  Has there been any official information on this directX 10.1 that we could describe within wikipedia? --Kaddar 20:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, Microsoft has talked about their future plans for DirectX in a broader sense at WinHEC and other official venues.   -/- Warren 17:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DirectX 10.1 information

message: Both the SDK and the runtime are only available to customers running genuine Microsoft Windows,
the download requires WGA validation
:You actually need WGA validation to download the SDK? That's a bit of a bummer - a few years ago, I always used to download the big Microsoft files on a Linux machine at college, as I didn't have access to a broadband connection at home. Guess Microsoft didn't think about that (or more likely don't care). 217.155.20.163 19:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DirectX only available for MS customers running genuine Microsoft Windows

message: I have deleted the image section of the mentioned table, as it was rather pointless, and was overlaying on the version numbers.
:: I have added a gallery for it. Just for logo remembrance :P. :) --SkyWalker 21:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rel history table

message: Can anyone please explain what the first line "DirectX is an interactive binary preprocessor applied to an interactive multimedia protocol." means? Thanks.
--59.167.96.250 07:47, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea, and I've been using DirectX since it was launched!  I changed it back to a previous version, which is much clearer. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation Please

message: Installing DirectX (any version) under 98lited Windows requires at least temporary presence of PC Health while installing. Otherwise DirectX refuses to install, finishing installation attempt with error message "DirectX did not copy a required file". Before and after installation of DirectX PC Health can be uninstalled.83.19.52.107 13:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Installing DirectX under 98lited Windows 

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replies: text: I added rationale analogous as in DirectX 10.00 logo. 83.5.79.3 11:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Directx9.jpg

message: I read that link, and it seems to be nothing more than some guy thinking out loud, not an actual source of information. It doesn't even qualify as a rumor, just a hope. If nobody replies in a few days, I'll go ahead and wipe the related text.
Link in question:  Prgrmr@wrk 23:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference #4 ("DX10 on vista?") 

message: I just wanted to tell you guys that the link to microsoft.com/directx has stopped working. I don't know what to update it with either... --90.227.222.77 07:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's working now... --ReCover 15:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to directx 

message: I seem to recall that the biggest feature of DirectX 10.1 is Xaudio 2. Can someone confirm that so we can add it? -(Ofunniku 07:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DirectX 10.1 and Xaudio 

message: Hi guys.
I found a new link for DirectX yesterday.
It is probs the best tutorial i have seen.
the site is http://www.directxtutorial.com/
Drnoitall.hello 23:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new link i found 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:DirectX 7 logo.png

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:DirectX 8.0 logo.png

message: The right DX7 logo can be found here: http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/bienkowski/dx10/DX_7_Logo.png
The right DX8 logo can be found here: http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/bienkowski/dx10/DX_8_Logo.png
172.142.82.43 (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong DX7 & 8 Logo

message: http://erpman1.tripod.com/w98meupd.html - this site says:
The DirectX 9.0c December 2006 Redist. download is the very last download to have the latest DirectX components
for Windows 98 & ME.  DirectX Redistributable downloads created from 2007 and beyond will only include DirectX components
for Windows 2000, XP, Server 2003 & Vista OSes. 193.83.11.26 (talk) 07:41, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last DirectX for Windows 98 

message: Is DirectX always backwards compatible? I have problems all the time, especially with 9.0c to 8.1. I don't know whether my PC is stuffing up or something.
Also, if you install, say, DirectX 6 followed by DirectX 9, then will the DX6 components still be available despite being overidden?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.187.247.157 (talk) 08:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating DirectX 

message: What are some of the future goals of DX11? --24.249.108.133 (talk) 02:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct X 11? 

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