Talk:University of the State of New York

message: A contributor recently vandalized the first paragraph of the article.  I've corrected this.  
- Ellis (5/25/12)
A contributor seems to be committed to making the USNY's former external degree program (now operated as Excelsior College, which is appropriately covered in a separate article), the main theme of the USNY article. 
I have reverted these changes twice, and will do so again, for the following reasons:
* I cannot see any reason to replace the infobox footnote "*This is the motto of the State of New York, which appears on the University Seal" with information about the former external degree program.
* The language that was inserted in the infobox read more like an advertising blurb than an encyclopedia article: USNY is also a degree-granting body in its own right. It conferred degrees for quarter of a century, and today, well over 50,000 people hold bachelor and associate diplomas directly issued in the name of The University of the State of New York. 
:I substituted "However, from 1971 through 1998, USNY did directly confer degrees via its Regents external degree program," and I did it in a manner that did not overwrite the footnote about the motto.
*Adding three paragraphs about the history of the external degree program to the article summary section  implies that the external degree program is the main mission of USNY. (AFAICT, it is not.) The same material is already in the Excelsior College article. 
*Seeing the other contributor's concern about increasing the topic's visibility I did create a new subsection specifically for the former Regents College program. (Most of the content of that subsection was already in the USNY article; I merely relabeled it.) 
--orlady 03:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Regents College / [[Excelsior College]] / External degree program

message: I am totally baffled by the edit summary for this edit. What was "erroneous and redundant" about the narrative that I added? Where is the "contrasting viewpoint" left intact? (I see nothing in the article left intact.)--orlady 05:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Erroneous and redundant?

message: I am a 1995 graduate of the University of the State of New York, (B.S. Honors). My degree diploma states USNY, and not Excelsior or Regents College. For many years ALL major encyclopedias expressly mentioned the paragraph stating that USNY was also degree- granting university in, and of itself.  In fact, some of these encyclopedic articles called it" one of the oldest state universities in the U.S." Since 1784, USNY was New York State's premier "accrediting" umbrella institution, accrediting all other schools, colleges, and universities.  However, it also granted its own degrees from 1981, until 1998.  Thus, it played a "dual role" within New York's educational history, as well as that of the U.S. Thereby, placing  USNY in an unique historical footnote of the "world's first prestigious external degree- granting institutions, together with the   University of London, and the British Open University.  Therefore, it is fitting that an article that discusses USNY as an institution of "higher learning" in all it encompassing meaning, also state the period of the university's degree-granting past, as it actually still holds that authority granted to it by the New York State Legislature in 1784. Temple Barrister 21:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USNY as a degree-granting institution

message: The article was fully protected at my request about 48 hours ago (on 6 April 2007 (UTC)) so that the differences of opinion about its contents could be discussed on this talk page, instead of in a revert war. --orlady 13:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: FYI: Page protection

message: Hi, orlady, thanks for bringing to my attention the current editing issues in regards to the USNY article.  I have kindly responded to you on my Talk page, but I'll add a few other tidbits which hopefully help all concerned:
Quite possibly, the other contributor (whom you had the editing concerns with) had an understandable misunderstanding of the overarching USNY mission due to the term "University" forming part of the structure's name.  It is indeed correct that USNY, as I authored in the article a while back and which you confirm, is the umbrella-organization structure in New York State for most educational institutions and much of the personnel in any way connected to formal educational functions in the State.  While USNY can, in exceptional instances, still directly confer academic credentials, this is indeed not its overarching purpose today or ever in the past.
Regents College, later the independent Excelsior College, does indeed form a very notable part of USNY's history.  However, in seeming alignment with you, a "good" USNY article should mostly talk about USNY's constituent members (schools, colleges, libraries, museums, etc.), its history dating from its oversight function for King's College (later Columbia University) with "modest" weight given to Regents/Excelsior College, and its relationship to the New York State Education Department and the USNY Board of Regents.  (Btw, my indication of the "subordinate relationship" of NYSED to USNY, I feel, is "functionally" correct, although USNY/NYSED officials seem to not "officially" see the relationship this way; I'll see what I can do to modify this a bit to balance officialdom with a layperson's understandability of this relationship :) ).
Also, as indicated on my Talk page, I'll see what I can do to add an excellent chart which delineates who all the USNY members are, in a "precise-yet-elegant layperson's-understanding way."  From my research related to USNY/NYSED, it seems that this membership listing is nebulously defined by many, if not most, New Yorkers; hence, I feel that such a chart would really help here :)
Thanks again, orlady, for your efforts here, and thanks to anyone else who has tried to improve this article in a substantive way.  —Catdude 09:21, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USNY structure/purpose

message: I think this edit war seems over - we ought to unprotect this article or at least loosen it to semi-protection. 204.52.215.107 05:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Unprotect

message: I deleted the sentence "Yet, any specific degree programs offered by any particular higher-education institution in New York State must be registered (i.e., accredited), on behalf of the Regents, by NYSED before the particular institution may offer such program or programs." because I could not find statutory authority in N.Y.S. Education Law (CLS ed.) requiring that a specific degree program be accredited by or registered with the State before it may be offered. In general, accreditation is performed by regional bodies and some other bodies, and I recall that the state does do some accrediting; but I believe accrediting is of the institution or the overall educational program of that institution, rather than of a particular degree program. One or two statutes referring to particular institutions grant degree-granting authority. It is possible, however, that the State does not grant a license to practice a profession based on study in N.Y.S. unless the degree program has been registered; and it is possible that registration is required by a State regulation (probably published in N.Y.C.R.R.) without that being the same thing as accreditation (in which case, "i.e." is in error). Thank you.
If the sentence is to be restored, please consider two minor edits: singularize "any specific degree programs" to ". . . program" and cut the second "particular" as redundant. Thank you.
Nick Levinson (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Degree: accreditation 

message: ::I flagged the article for using only a single source and even then it's not incorporated into the article itself, but I don't know the code for that particular flag. Either way, it's time to add some more references to the article.
-Alan 24.184.184.130 (talk) 14:28, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I had to flag it 

message: Several articles about motion pictures on Wikipedia seem to indicate that at one point all motion pictures lawfully exhibited in the state of New York had to be licensed by the Board of Regents.  Can someone add some good reliable sources for this to what would presumably be a new subsection of the "History" section of this article?  2600:1004:B118:340:7174:545F:BD7C:5114 (talk) 00:49, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former film censorship role