Talk:Southern Vectis

message: I have started the route 38 page again. but need some input from Arriva436 & Editor4807.
Gratefully Needed,
--Iveco 59-12 (talk) 16:04, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Route 38 page

message: As you may have noticed, I have just archived the first bit of the talk page, to Talk:Southern Vectis/Archive 1. This is because it was getting quite big and I wish to add further things in a minute. As I have used the "cut and paste" method, the new page won't be on your watchlists, so regular editors may want to add it to their list, as archive pages can be open to vandalism. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 10:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now moved this page to Talk:Southern Vectis/Archive 2008 I am trying to tidy the talk page up again, and I think that having archives by year would be better rather than just bunging it into one bid mess! Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 19:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: I have updated most of the things for the services changes on Sunday. I know I started a bit early, but there's lots to do. Anyway, SV themselvs have updated their site to reflect the new routes.
Some of the things I have done:
*Route templates. I have done all but route 7. Route 7 now runs through Freshwater twice (i.e. → Freshwater Bay, Freshwater, Totland, Alum Bay, Totland, Freshwater, Yarmouth → ), and runs up Pixley Hill. It took me long enough to work out how to change the route 11 template, and I can't even comprehend doing route 7!!
*Route articles. The only ones we have that have big changes are the 7 and 11 (14, 16 and 22 - the others changing don't have articles), and I've not done those yet.
*Bus routes navbox - Done
*Bus stations, I have updated Newport's table, redone Ryde to the new style and updated it, and updated the Yarmouth info and added a table.
*Operators lists. I have now done Southern Vectis' and Wightbus'.
*Updated transport details on the towns and villages affected.
I think that's it, and to help with further updates, I am about to create this subpage detailing everything that may need to be changed at each service change. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 21:10, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This all looks great, its good to see everything so organised to ensure nothing gets missed out! Editor5807speak 22:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just sorted the route 7 template.  Think it's OK, but maybe could be better.  I've tried to keep all the bits of Freshwater next to each other, but it's a little tricky! --Peeky44 What's on your mind? 14:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, it looks great! I had a look at editing it a while ago but it looked far too complicated! Editor5807speak 17:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent thanks! As I said, I managed all the others, but the 7 - no way!! Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 17:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Service changes 

message: I've just proposed some changes to the Commons category, to sort it all out. You may wish to have a look at :Commons:Category talk:Southern Vectis. 
P.S. I've also changed the archive here, see thread above. 2009/10 should follow (probably put those together), and I'll have to move the bit in the 2008 archive which is actually from 2009 into the other one. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 19:55, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commons image category 

message: Right, this could take a while. My trip (detailed on Editor5807's talk page) was succesful, and I got some bonus shots as well! Sadly, it was absoulytly freezing and being outside the whole day wasn't too good. My hands were in pain and my finger numb for a long while! I ended up coming over Southampton way and catching the 10 to Brading (to see the views - last time I did it it was pouring down) and then the 2 to Ryde to commence my plan...
Here is what I achieved.
*Wilts & Dorset 740 (K740 ODL) in Southampton. Sound familliar?! Off topic, but during the day I saw cars with Kxxx ODL and old UVG Dart Nxxx PDL registrations, very random!
*Interior of 300. This is the only new to SV one with the seats behind the driver.
*1151's new IOW College rear advert.
*194's new IOW College rear advert.
*Both together.
*Bus stop flags in Newport BS showing the old numbers.
*192's new IOW College rear advert.
*Shots from the inside of the route 10 I caught, at Robin Hill and the view at the Downs. These double up as interior shots. Major dissapointment though that it was MPD 319, trust me to get a single decker!
*319 leaving the Bull Ring on the 10.
*Updated bus stop at Bull Ring.
*Dart 311 on route 14 on Beaper Shute (out of windscreen of a Scania).
*Iveco Treelopper passing us at Tesco, probably updating bus stops.
*Iveco minibus 045 updating bus stops.
*Dart 309 at Ryde bus station on route 16.
*The old signs at Ryde bus station.
*Dart 309 at Tesco on the 14.
*Dart 311 at Tesco on the 14.
*Dart 311 at Bembridge Crossway on the 14 (can you spot a theme coming on...)
*Dart 311 at Bembridhe Crossway after becoming a 16.
*Bus stops in Bembridge.
*Dart 309 at Bembridge village on the 16 (annoyingly the driver changed the display to a 14 way too early).
*Dart 309 at Bembridge village on the 14 (on the return journey, actually a 14).
*Scania 1102 at Bembridge village on the 10.
*Some excercise running to Bembridge Habour
*Dart 319 at Bembridge Habour on the 10.
*Dart 311 at Bembridge Habour on the 14.
*Dart 311 at St Helens Station Road on the 16.
*Bus stops in St Helens (including the shelter that still says "NUMBER ONE" from before April 2006.
*Dart 309 at St Helens Green on the 16.
*The old style bus stop sign Editor5807 told me about at the Vine Inn.
*Dart 309 at St Helens Green on the 14.
*Dart 319 at St Helens Green on the 10.
*Scania 1102 at St Helens Green on the 10.
*Dart 311 in Caws Avenue somewhere between Seaview Heights and Nettlestone, on the 16. I got off there as someone was waiting to get on, so I could take a phot of my bus.
*Dart 309 in Caws Avenue a bit further down on the 16.
*Bus stops at Seaview, including notes about the 8's temporary (permanent?) diversion.
*Dart 309 at Seaview Seafront on the 16.
*Dart 311 coming up George Street on the 14.
*Citaro 480 with its new route 4 branding.
*Ford Ecort car, adverting the Scrap my car thingy.
*Lucky enough to arrive in Ryde and get shots of men putting all the new signs up.
*456's interior.
*B7TL 190 in Newport, performing the last number 11 to run.
*Scania 1106 in Newport, performing the last number 10 to run.
*Various open tops loading for the Christmas lights tour.
*A quirk of there being too many route 1s at once, gave me a chance to photograph two, side by side, one each showing RH and P&R.
*Route 1's hour and a quater long diversion , with buses in Bellevue Road and Moorgreen Road.
*The work happening at the Somerton park and ride, inc. the temp stops on the main road and a shot of a bus zooming past without stopping.
*I found where SV outstation the coaches at Somerton, so 201 and 593 photographed.
*Buses at Cowes Pontoon.
I think that's it! Sadly the only Citros I saw out on Saturday were 451, 454, 456 and 480. The rest seemed to be deckers, so no shot of 457 for my personal collection! Luckily Editor5807 managed one. However, we will now have some extensive coverage of 309 and 311! I travelled on 311 three times, and took photos of it in 5 (6) different places - all of which had the same driver (bar the last), so just a touch embarrasing! At least he let me on without seeing my ticket on the last trip, my hands were frozen. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 22:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images I have taken 

message: Well, I now know what the changes are. Sadly they're obviously not in the public domain yet so I can't just give out all of the details here. I will say though that the hunch about the X10 and X11 being linked to coaches is correct, as is the guess that the Binstead and Haylands shuttle is being amended. I also know about the changes to the standard services across the network. And they're not good! Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 18:58, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: OK, the timetables have now been put up on Traveline South East. If you go to http://www.travelinesoutheast.org.uk/ , then timetable search ("find a timetable") and enter Southern Vectis as the operator, all the services come up. As they're now in the public domain, I can now say the changes. 
*X10 is a single journey, into Newport in the mornings, and back out at pm, on the old route of service 10. It is limited stop, running fast between Brading and Broadlands House.
*X11 is the same, into Newport am, and back out pm. It runs from Totland/Freshwater, then fast to Newport (not service Calboune or anything). Similar to the old route 11 of course, but obviously not serving Carisbrooke Castle or Sylvan Drive.
*Both are Mon-Fri services for workers, and will be run by coaches that are between school duties.
*The Haylands and Binstead shuttle is being changed. It will be run as a normal green bus service, every 40 mins. It will serve Ryde bus station. It was going to be numbered 12 (despite being registered as 37), but apparently it will now run as a 37. Makes our life simpler in article terms anyway!
and now the bad...
*Some early and late journeys removed from various routes due to poor usage.
*Route 5 has its frequency tweaked later on in the day to improve reliability.
*Route 9 back down to every 15 minutes on Sundays.
*Route 1 back down to every 7-8 minutes on Mon-Sat.
Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 20:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: OK thanks, I've taken a look at the site and is there any reason why the new route 37 isn't labeled as a low floor route? Will this be the new part the Olympians play with the new timetable? Editor5807speak 22:31, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, just remembered, all the Citaros have now gone to Bluestar, leaving just 479/80. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 22:33, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Update II

message: Bustival the second is apparently due to be held on 18 April. It came as a surprise to me as I had no idea that they were doing it again. There is an entrance fee this time though, so they should make a bit of money! The IOW Steam Railway site has a mention... http://www.iwsteamrailway.co.uk/special-events/details/8-bustival-vintage-vehicle-cavalcade.html Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 17:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good to know it's being turned into an annual event! I too assumed it was just being held in 2009 to celebrate their 80th birthday. Let's just hope the weather holds up. Hopefully I will be able to make the event as I couldn't last year. Editor5807speak 14:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just been reading through and I think the fee is only for the steam train. Southern Vectis' blog  also describes it as "a free day out for all the family." Editor5807speak 19:07, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's good. I'll be able to walk past the queue again! Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 14:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bustival II 

message: This is a good section, and very interesting. However, there is one thing I think might need to be adjusted. "In fact Southern Vectis now faces virtually no real competition to its services, as Wightbus, being council run, is restricted to running purely uncompetitive routes." I'm not sure this is the best wording, considering routes 3 and 16 do sort of compete, especially as reading comments on Ventnor Blog after it was announced the 16 was to be withdrawn, many people try and catch the 16 as it has much cheaper fares. Any ideas on what to write instead? Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 16:13, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting, I always assumed that if Wightbus had a competitor on a route it would have to automatically stop running its own, but I don't think this theory has actually been tested. I shall add the word "largely" to my wording, which should do for the time being. Whistler 15:16, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose the reason the Rail Link wasn't withdrawn was because it was always designed as a link to the railway, not for shopping in the town as route 3 never served the railway station in the same way anyway. But all looks good now anyway, shame we'll only have a few more weeks left of the Rail Link anyway... Editor5807speak 19:49, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooops, I thought I'd replied to this, but obviously hadn't! It's much better now you've changed the word. The general rule with council tendered services is that if someone comes and starts a commercial service, the council tendered service is withdrawn, but Wightbus (as usual) is a funny case! Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 18:58, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competition section 

message: I have noticed that some new route articles have been created recently, for routes 25, 37 and 38. These routes are really not at all notable. At a push you might be able to source route 37 with previous detail about route 15, 4's withdrawal, and the taxibus service - but really it's only a local service around a housing estate and holds little interest. Similarly, there is nothing really noteworthy about the 38. The most interesting thing about it is that the evening service was recently withdrawn - hardly noteworthy. The article is only one line about the service. 
Route 25's article is a bit better, but for such a limited service that has only just started, there is not a lot notable about it at all. Certainly no outside content to source it with. I don't want to do this as I realise people have put work into the articles, but I think there really are not notable. I think we jeopardise the more notable routes by having such bad articles for non-notable routes, I fear someone might come along and AfD all of them. I have left saying this for a few weeks now, but there have been no improvements to the articles.
I have therefore taken the following actions:
*Redirected the route 38 article back to List of Southern Vectis bus routes. For the last diff beforehand see here, though there's not much to see.
(Actually, I've just decided to redirect all of them.)
*Route 37: Last diff
*Route 25: Last diff
I hate to do this and revert people's work, but as I have said, none of the routes are notable in my opinion, and risk jeopardising the other articles if left as be. Hopefully others will agree with me, if not, I've only redirected them so it will be easy to get content back. Arriva436talk</b>]]/contribs 09:33, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. While I think it's a shame to lose the information at least this way it's easy to retrieve if it is ever needed again. I think if they were left in their current state in not too long we could have lost a lot more. Editor5807speak 22:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately they were all deleted a while ago, with absolutely no mention to those who created them or contributed to them. They've gone along with articles like Island Breezers and List of Southern Vectis bus routes. It gets a brief mention here, but I haven't been able to find any other discussion on it. None of the information was transferred to other articles. It may be worth talking to those involved in that deletion discussion to find out any more information. Sadly it's situations like this that have resulted in myself and many others becoming far less interested in Wikipedia.. Editor5807speak 01:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there was a lot of valuable content lost here. Have you looked at Wikipedia:UNDELETE? To be honest those pages would have probably gone out of date quickly, considering many of the editors have disappeared, but the pages could certainly be userified with a link from this article. Also it seems Southern Vectis bus fleet has been proposed for deletion now.109.144.169.228 (talk) 03:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Route articles 

message: All the route articles have apparently been deleted, which I find slightly surprising given the historic information and notability criteria mentioned in one or two of them. I can understand (and fully support) removing pointless pages that exist just because the route number does, but can anyone shed light on why the main route articles have gone too? I note that on Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 28#Category:Circular bidirectional bus routes it was even mentioned that Route 7 probably was notable, although on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Southern Vectis route 2 there seemed no discussion of what was in the articles, just a general consensus that non-notable things should be deleted and notable things moved into the main article - which in the case of the 7 definitely did not happen based on Southern Vectis as it stands today... Peeky44 What's on your mind? 14:03, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately they were all deleted a while ago, with absolutely no mention to those who created them or contributed to them. They've gone along with articles like Island Breezers and List of Southern Vectis bus routes. It gets a brief mention here, but I haven't been able to find any other discussion on it. None of the information was transferred to other articles. It may be worth talking to those involved in that deletion discussion to find out any more information. Sadly it's situations like this that have resulted in myself and many others becoming far less interested in Wikipedia.. Editor5807speak 01:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there was a lot of valuable content lost here. Have you looked at Wikipedia:UNDELETE? To be honest those pages would have probably gone out of date quickly, considering many of the editors have disappeared, but the pages could certainly be userified with a link from this article. Also it seems Southern Vectis bus fleet has been proposed for deletion now.109.144.169.228 (talk) 03:28, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wholesale deletion? 

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