Talk:Growth of the Old Swiss Confederacy

message: A note on the literature references: Schwabe & Co is a truly massive and comprehensive work in three volumes; the one-volume edition of 2004, whose ISBN is given, has 1005 pages. Different historians cover different periods. Highly recommended. Im Hof is much more concise (about 150 pages) and written by a single author; it is a useful source for a first overview, although the prose is sometimes a bit awkward and it is a bit dated, despite having been revised several times since the first edition in 1974. Lupo 21:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Where did it come from: from the two references discussed above (Schwabe & Co and Im Hof), from :de:Geschichte_der_Schweiz and other related articles on de:, such as :de:Wilhelm Tell, and from my general knowledge of the topic. Better references: the Schwabe & Co is the major work on the history of Switzerland. I have added the two good English online references I have found. What else did you have in mind? (Note that finding good references is hard—many sites treat the legends of William Tell and the Rütlischwur as facts.) I do not know about English books on the medieval history of Switzerland, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. But I can't add such references, because I don't know these books and thus cannot judge whether they are any good. Lupo 07:47, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now added one English book. It does seem to be kind of a standard work, but is from 1986 and thus a bit dated. I do not know that book and can therefore not comment on its usefulness/accuray/unpartialness. Lupo 11:10, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
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message: The current title of this article (Old Swiss Confederacy) suggest it is about a former state, but the structure is essentialy history (or rather two specific sections on territorial (which seems to include political among others) and social developments (economy, summary of politics)). At best, the title is confusing, suggesting it is a comprehensive overview of a former country (for good FA examples of this, see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or Indo-Greek Kingdom, with country-like formatting). Alternative is to rename this series to History of Switzerland (date-date) or (name), as is our naming convention (FAs: History of Poland (1945–1989), History of post-Soviet Russia, History of the Netherlands, History of Russia, History of Scotland) and section headings are adjusted to reflect chronology, and non-history parts can be moved to former country article (consider also an example of History of Poland (1945–1989) vs. People's Republic of Poland, or History of Poland (1569-1795) vs. Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). One way or another, this needs to decide what it is and adapt, as currently it is a confusing hybrid of history and former state article types. If no changes are made, I am afraid it should be deFAced, as it is substandard comapred to our newer FAs (mentioned above).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 21:18, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As my critique have not beed addressed, I have to nominate it for FARC. Hopefully the resulting attention will succeed in improving this article.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what you are talking about. it is about a historical federation which you may or may not classify as a single 'state'. The article is perfectly suited to the unique nature of its subject, regardless of your a-priori considerations of how "articles about former states" should or should not be organized. I do think you make a valid observation and that the OSC may indeed be a "confusing hybrid of a historical process and a political entity", through no fault of this article. dab (ᛏ) 15:55, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite, move or de-FA

message: Why on earth is this still one? It's B grade at best. It only has 4 footnotes and 2 foreign language references. I see there were even concerns way back in 2006 when standards were no doubt alot more lax. ʄ!•¿talk? 06:41, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed about the timeline display issue -- I was just popping into the talk page to mention that, well, it's entirely unreadable to me, using Firefox. Text overprinting two or three times per row. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed timeline issue...hopefullyTobyc75 (talk) 22:43, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
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