Talk:Azumanga Daioh/Archive 1

message: I've never heard this theory.  While some of Yomi's traits may be associated with Asperger's, she also seems to be missing some symptoms -- there's no sign that she's missing any social cues, for instance.  Unless this can be shown to be a widespread speculation, I think it's best taken out. -- Antaeus Feldspar 11:34, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be BS. There's no mention of Asperger's in Azumanga.  — Gwalla | Talk 21:51, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yomi and Asperger's 

message: Some people seem to think that Chiyo-chan's friends, Miruchi and Yuka, bear a resemblance to the series' teachers, Yukari Tanazaki and Minamo Kurosawa, respectively. I can only assume that they think that this "resemblance" is intentional on Kiyohiko Azuma's part. If they can't find a statement from him proving this resemblance, that bit of info shouldn't be in the article. I've certainly never heard any Azumanga Daioh fans discuss this "resemblance". It's always fine to add more info about the characters, but conjecture like this doesn't count.
You can see Chiyo's friends here: http://rakhal.com/florestica/comics/azumanga03/azumanga-1-031-001.jpg
</br>(taken from http://rakhal.com/florestica/newsletter/ - scroll down)
And here's Yukari and Minamo: http://www.animegalleries.net/albums/Azumanga_Daioh/yukari-nyamo/azu_yukarinyamo0057.jpg
</br>(taken from http://www.animegalleries.net/album/854/page/4)
The only visible "resemblance" is that one has long hair and the other has short hair. Beyond that, there's no simimarities in facial features, clothing, personality, or any dialogue that would hint at anything more than a vague coincidence. Even their hairstyles, the main "resemblance", are quite different. Yukari's is wavier and darker with more bangs, and Minamo's is shorter and much less of a shag cut, with her trademark "sideburns".
That being said, I'm going to edit the comment out and direct them to this page. If they come up with reasonable proof of resemblance beyond their own conjecture, they're welcome to put the comment back in. --Marcg106 16:09, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miruchi and Yuka's "resemblance" to Yukari and Minamo 

message: Is there any interest in creating a list of Azumanga Daioh episodes? This is clearly Wikipedia convention for several shows with large followings. Also, many shorts or episodes could have their own articles, again, as per wikipedia convention of episode of a TV show article- because there are a lot of things that could be explained to an english speaking audience that would be taken as read by a Japanese audience. Unfortunately, I have neither the special expertise in Japanese culture, nor do I really know the precise interpretation of Kaorin seeing a kitty-cat in the locker room in the first episode. I don't even have the gall to hazard a guess. 
So in conclusion, anybody think this should exist, go ahead and say so. Then we can all start, and I'll help for whatever I'm worth in this venture.
Also, can we clean up this talk page? It seems like a lot of these issues are already resolved.
Lotusduck 02:19, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Archived - Squilibob 11:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, 125 episodes would seem more reasonable for an article called "list of azumanga daioh episodes" than 25, but 25 seems an equally reasonable number of episodes to qualify for a list. There are only 22 episodes in the list of Star Trek the animated series episodes. And dare I say that that is more obscure. Here's a question- would the amount of information put up about any given 5 minute segment make that episode a stub? Or would having each dvd release episode with 5 subdividers make that article too long?Lotusduck 17:27, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, I definitely wouldn't say that each individual episode needs its own article either way. If we do a separate article for episodes, I'd put them all in a single other article as a list and set of fairly short synopses. I think even if we did the five-minute episode splits, as long as the synopses weren't describing every single little thing that happens, it wouldn't get too long for a single article. -RannXXV 17:43, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a good point. That could probably work, with just breif explanations of Japanese culture as seen in the show and explanations of events from the Manga. The article would be titled "Azumanga Daioh Episodes"Lotusduck 19:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If each episode was also given its own section heading in the Azumanga Daioh Episodes article, that way we could also put a list of just the titles here in the main article and then Wikify them. -RannXXV 04:47, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The article would be a list of episodes, so instead of "Azumanga Daioh Episodes" shouldn't you be using "List of Azumanga Daioh Episodes" ? - Squilibob 11:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

text: By the way, the proper title should be List of Azumanga Daioh episodes ("episodes" not capitalized). -Fadeblue 20:24, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  A list of Azumanga Daioh episodes 

message: "Azumanga Daioh is a relatively short series, both in manga and anime. In collected format, the manga totals a mere four volumes, and the anime only six (with twenty-six episodes split among them)."
I don't see how Azumanga Daioh anime can be seen as a "relatively short" anime series. Almost all anime I've heard of is made up of either 13 episodes or 26 (with a few rare exceptions of series with 70 or more episodes).  Xyzyxx 14:38, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven't heard of a lot of anime then. While 13-26 episodes is common for some series, especially the majority that Cartoon Network licenses for Adult Swim, many animes run up to 52, or into the hundreds of episodes. Even with the anime that only run for 13-26 episodes, the manga versions are usually much, much longer. (The Big O manga is, to my knowledge, still running. So is Inuyasha, I believe.) In this case, the length is more in reference to the fact that it's not terribly long in either version. -RannXXV 19:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Xyzyxx is correct: less than half of anime series go above 26 episodes. --日本穣 Nihonjoe 22:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Length 

message: The current "Reasons for popularity" section is completely unsourced.  Is it anything besides personal opinion? -- Antaeus Feldspar 23:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The series is quite popular. While one could reference a number of google hits, or point at entire image boards dedicated to single characters from it, and so on, and so on, it seems pointless in the face of the fact that a simple look around shows how popular it is. It's not as if the section in question just says "OMG ITZ TA BESTEST SHOW EVAR!", so calm down. -RannXXV 01:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question I asked was not "is it popular?" but "is the explanation that is being given for why the series is popular based on anything except the original research of the editor who added it?"  Please try to pay more attention to what question is actually being asked than to make sure you get out a condescending response like "so calm down". -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno, I'd have to try pretty hard to be more condescending than you just were. -RannXXV 03:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You must be trying pretty hard, then. -- Antaeus Feldspar 13:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: RannXXV, your comments to this section have been unaccountably rude thus far. Nothing Antaeus said disputed that the series was popular, was not said in a calm and neutral tone, implied that the section said "OMG ITZ TA BESTEST SHOW EVAR!", or was in any way "condescending". Please take a few deep breathes, review Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Civility, then respond anew, this time, if you are able, attempting to actually answer Antaeus' question in some way, shape or form: "The current "Reasons for popularity" section is completely unsourced.  Is it anything besides personal opinion?" In other words, it is taken in any way from any specific sources, or is it just the assessment and analysis of our own editors? If the latter, then Wikipedia's core policies forbid its inclusion, and we should remove it to this Talk page until sources can be provided for any of its claims, even though it's potentially a very interesting and valuable section. -Silence 15:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The article was actually a lot worse than this and has been getting better this year. I know it has a lot of POV language, not just the part about popularity. I believe that the content can be justified and reworded with anyone with the time to do it. Bring to the talk page anything else that seems to be POV langauage or sounds like fan cruft and we can collaborate on changes that need to be made. I'll try and find a cite for popularity now. --Squilibob 05:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "A cite for popularity"?! Did you not read the initial comment either?! Noone has disputed the comic/manga's popularity in any way, not even the slightest bit. What's been disputed is the unsourced section which tries to explain that popularity, "Reasons for popularity", which makes assertions such as "Azumanga Daioh is distinctly different" (meaningless without qualifications, and poorly-written), "There is no overriding goal" (false without qualifications: getting through school and graduation can be considered a goal, and there are various other goals for the individual characters which run through most of the series, such as Sakaki's goal to pet a cat), "nor is there a grand event such as saving the world from some horrible doom" (how does that, in itself, make Azumanga Daioh unusual? the majority of series in existence do not involve a grand event such as saving the world from some horrible doom), "There is no struggling romance to prolong the series or be used awkwardly for the comedy inherent in misunderstandings" (Sakaki and Kaorin don't count?), etc. Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability are absolute requirements: noone here has the slightest doubt that it would be incredibly easy to verify Azumanga Daioh's popularity: but how are you going to provide reliable references to explain the reasons for its popularity? Until you can provide such references, this section is against Wikipedia policy and should be kept in talkspace or userspace until it's fully citable. Unless you think you can find appropriate citations very soon? -Silence 15:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: You misunderstand, I added the cite because of what I said about adding justification to the article. Stating something is popular should be cited anyway, though figures would be a better cite. --Squilibob 05:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That cite can be put somewhere else in the article, then. :-) Information about reception is interesting. Speculation without surveys about WHY it's popular, on the other hand, is original reseach and POV.  --GunnarRene 23:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Reasons for popularity" 

message: Any news/details/sources for the streetfighter patterned Azumanga beat em up by studio Yuki da ru ma? —This unsigned comment was added by 81.99.4.165 (talk • contribs) .
:What exactly is your question? Anyway, I know of a fanmade game called 'Azumanga Fighter Comeback', which is probably what you mean. Its available for download here: [LINK REMOVE - TRIGGERED SPAM FILTER] I assume it's freeware. Fyrius 15:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azumanga Fighter 

message: In episode 7 (larger one), Sakaki meets Chiyo's dog and she has juice, but when they're leaving, neither of them have the juice. This could also be added somewhere the list of episodes, once the page is made. Cao 04:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nah, that's more like an animation mistake or something. I wouldn't want to call it a trivium. Fyrius 13:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this be added to trivia? 

message: Throughout the article, there are many instances of NPOV descriptions, taking away from the entry's quality as a refrence, and making it seem more like a fan's babbling. I will attempt to remove as much as possible, without destroying the content. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The7thone1188 (talk • contribs) .
:First, you need to sign your comments. Second, NPOV means Neutral Point of View, which is what articles are supposed to have. If you mean the sections are tainted by somebody's personal point of view, they are "POV descriptions", though that's still a poor term for them. Third, you don't site any actual problems with the article, or any sections, or the POV they're carrying. Your comment is essentially pointless. Try to be a bit more clear and purposeful in the future. -RannXXV 00:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: It was deleted. A new one needs to be put up (legally, of course).
That's all there is to say here..
-Anonymous 219.95.14.1 14:49, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page needs a new image. 

message: As the article looks sort of lacking without an image, I was bold and uploaded a new image.  It should be fair use: its from the intro sequence and thus falls under the category of a TV screenshot.  Tell me what you think. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 09:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It needs a) a copyright notice b) a fair use rationale for all articles that it's used on. --GunnarRene 11:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done and done. My only thought is that it might be too high resolution: is that a problem for TV show screenshots? — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 13:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It should be scaled down, and the old version deleted,  to a resolution where you can recognize the characters, but not a lot more than that. 400px max, in my judgement. --GunnarRene 17:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: On closer inspection, this DOES look like a trace of some kind. Publicity images are also allowed as fair use images, but then the image must be given the correct license tag.--GunnarRene 17:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked back again and indeed it isn't actually from the episode: its from some sort of vectorized version of it.  I have no idea what the legal status of it is then, but obviously I could simply go back and screenshot the episode: problem solved.  Its not as if we need a copy this high resolution anyways. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 18:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I went and did some digging through my files and I found where this originated from: this flash video of the Azumanga intro.  While we're at it, anyone have any idea where this came from, and how?  The only possibility I've thought of is that one of the original animators exported some of the vectorized footage to a flash file and released it. When I get home I'll replace the image with a true fair-use one. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New image 

message: First, I have to declare I have nothing to do with Azumange Daioh. My home base is Detective Conan. This posting is merely linguistic.
In pages of individual characters (Ayumu Kasuga etc), there is a "name translation" box, which listed differential translation of the names in China and South Korea. I don't mind listing their Chinese and Korean names (In this case, 	Chūnrì Bù / Běipíng and Maeng Sun-jeong / Busandaek etc), but I was a bit miffed to see the Korean name actually translated. In my opinion, unless that translate name has a special meaning (eg Busandaek) so it has to be translated to make things clear, names are not supposed to be translated. They are supposed to be transliterated.
What's more absurd is the editor(s) even tried to translate the name with the surname, which usually has no meaning at all now... Samuel Curtis 02:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Language Absurdity 

message: I think it is important to somehow get across in the article the fact that Azumanga Daioh is (and why):
#In many ways very different from most other anime series.
#Unusually popular both in and outside of Japan for a series of its type.
However, I can't seem to come up with a way to express this in an encyclopedic manner (which is why the Reasons for Popularity section is now hidden).  Anyone have any ideas for how to express this in a manner that could be properly sourced and stay within NPOV bounds? — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 02:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for Popularity 

message: Each of the characters, on their individual article pages, has their name rendered into a Korean-to-English translation. Where does this come from, and how is it relevant? Does anyone (Korean, Anglophone, or otherwise) consciously think of Sakaki-san as being "Excellent Entreaty of Plum"? LordAmeth 23:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In Korean version of Azumanga Daioh THE ANIMATION, all of characters are changed into Korean people and are given new names, such as Yi Tae-hee (I Tae-hui) corresponding to Miss Sakaki. Literally, yi/i （李） means "plum", tae （泰） means "excellent", and hee/hui （希） means "entreaty", indubitably. I don't know what the translator thought at deciding new names. Hanasato the Azumaddict 12:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The point is, I think translating the Korean names into English is absurd. Samuel Curtis 15:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters in Korean 

message: Is there any specific reason why the shows name is written Daioh? It should be daiou or daiô, i've never seen ou been written oh in any other context. AniDB also writes it as Azumanga Daiou. - Tobberoth
:As noted in the Title Origin section, the 'Daioh' part of the name comes from the magazine Dengeki Daioh. This magazine writes the 'Daioh' part of its name in English on the cover (as well as in Japanese), and has always used the 'oh' spelling, possibly to aid pronunciation by people would don't know how to pronounce Japanese. Omnisentry 12:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would actually be "daiō," not "daiô." according to the WP:MOS-JA, except that the official English title is "Azumanga Daioh," and that's how it's most commonly known in English. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I hate "daioh", and I barely tolerate "daiō" (but I do because it's wikipedia policy). I prefer daiou because it makes going from kana to romaji easier, imo, since it translates part by part, da->だ, i->い, o->お, u->う, thus daiou to だいおう, or 大王. But yea, the official English translation that the Japanese creators came up with was Daioh, and it's licensed in the US as Daioh, so Daioh it stays as per wikipedia policy. --Wirbelwind 21:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transliteration of name 

message: Really, is there any need for it. I gotta agree it is pretty niffty and funny but maybe best if removed Singing guns 18:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it is verifiable and its interesting information.  No reason not to have it--its not as if the article is too long. — Dark Shikari talk/contribs 13:47, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hoax

message: Upon closer inspection, much of the "new" information supplied by 68.70.160.167 was directly lifted from the fansite that the mentioned user had removed in his/her last edit. I'm reverting it back to version before his/her edits. Mariana 07:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: November 5 Edits

message: I can't find the final episode so I was just wondering if the gym teacher finally got a boyfriend at the end of the manga/anime. And...i don't even want to know what she said when she was drunk.
:No, she didn't. Minamo's romantic story arc never extended beyond a few mentions. (Not in the anime, anyway.) Fyrius 11:36, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: oh....so in the manga it's different? Gotta find the manga then. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.94.57.226 (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't know how that ended up in the manga, I have only bits and pieces of it that I found on the Web. But overall, like with any show, there definitely are small differences between the anime and the manga. (Like Chiyo and Osaka working for a fast-food place for a while in the manga.) Fyrius 18:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

text: In the Yukari/Nyamo character song "Otona wo Yasunde Dekakeyou" they go as far as to evalutate their chances of finding romance. They don't think that there is much chance of eother of them finding a boyfriend. ...I just checked they actually say: "If one of us has a boyfriend / What do we do? / I don't think there'll be much difference / We'll be near for a long time / And somehow playing togeter" Probably irrelivent then Oops. --Tyrfing (talk) 23:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gym teacher's love life?

message: I am cleaning this article up and the Popular cultural references section is really character based. Since each major character has her(or his) own article, I am moving all of these trivial notes to their own articles. --Squilibob 00:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Important Places section, something I worked very hard on, seems to be gone. Was this a deliberate choice on your part, and if so could you explain your reasoning? Michael Hopcroft 09:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They have been moved to each character's article. They were violating Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles and possibly some others. --Squilibob 10:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular cultural references

message: Since the article has been stable for quite some time now after the past discussions over trivia, I have decided to take this article to a peer review. Suggestions would be appreciated. --Squilibob 03:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review

message: Anyone thinks it's about time to attempt GAC? It seems pretty well written, broad, well sourced and NPOV to me.--SidiLemine 11:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to run it through another Peer Review first. --Squilibob 10:41, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAC? 

message: I found a hitch in the "List of characters" section. Under minor Characters, after Chiyo's grade school friends there is a big gap, I can't seem to fix it, Can someone fix it? I am not too good with HTML yet.
Catgaard 14:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blank space 

message: someone please add this somehow for it's notable cult following.
"MV featuring Osaka from Azumanga Daioh, and the music from DDR (Waka Laka)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZszIAPuQsA —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.208.125.94 (talk • contribs).
:Where is the newspaper or magazine article that desribes this substantial cult following then? Even Wikipe-tan and I are more notable by Wikipedia's standards since we were covered by a Chinese weekly. :-) The video is fun though, but is better enjoyed in full quality at http://www.animemusicvideos.org. If people want Azumanga AMVs they can enter through Anime Music Video search by anime and then sort by star rating and select "Fun" as a category. There are literally thousands of videos to wade through. --GunnarRene 23:08, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a fun AMV, and one of my favorite, but its not notable or verifiable enough to put in this article.  Even if it was, it would fit in an article on AMVs, not here. —Dark•Shikari[T] 18:04, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  waka laka for osaka 

message: Dark Shikari has removed this image from the article stating that it is a fanart image and therefore is not fair use and is a copyvio. Honestly, if you like an image better then just say "I like the old image better" in your edit comment. I'm adding a few svg logos to other anime articles and don't want anyone to set a precedent that they are fanart just because they are vector traced instead of raster. They are still screenshots either way and both a PNG and SVG file are as equally unaltered from the original production. There's no way that a 19Kb file at the infobox's size resolution (300px) is a copyright violation. The current picture should stay as it is a valid replacement (it was never removed from the article) but I hope that other logos on other anime articles aren't going to be removed as a copyvio, that's ridiculous - anyone should be allowed to crop and vector a logo to have small file sizes. --Squilibob 05:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this fanart 

message: As there is one fansite in the links section already, I thought it might be a good idea to add a link to another, less static and perhaps more interesting Azumanga fan community (no offense to the owners of Wonderland). /azu/ is a very active image board about Azumanga Daioh, and to a lesser extent the works of Azuma in general. I think many Azumanga fans would be happy to find out about it. Fyrius 14:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I see from a quick glance through the guidelines, the only objection would be the line about "Links to social networking sites (such as MySpace), discussion forums or USENET." as number 10 in WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided. But since that's more of a general guideline than a direct prohibition (it's "normally to be avoided", but it doesn't seem to be disallowed), I say we migt as well give it a try and see if anyone objects. Fyrius 12:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  /azu/? 

message: I added mention of several fan-made Azumanga games a while back.  It was deleted two days later, for reasons I can't understand.  If you can mention the professionally made games, what makes them different from the fan created ones?  I had "notable" waved at me, but as that page states, that applies to topics, and explicitly not to article content.  In the absence of anything like actual reasoning for not including it, I've put it back; I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to know about these fun little things.  Anyone got any objections? YourMessageHere 21:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fan games are not important enough to warrant mention in an article unless there is something unique or significant about them. --tjstrf talk 00:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why are they not important enough?  By that logic, the mahjong game shouldn't be mentioned either, there's nothing unique or significant about that, unless you judge being sold as a criterion for making it more significant, which seems silly.  Most of the fanware stuff is derivative and far from unique, I'll agree, but The Osaka Simulator is something I've never seen the like of anywhere else (though I'm no expert).  YourMessageHere 07:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fanware games

message: After watching the anime and reading the manga It has come to my attention that many of the girls represent different types of autism and pyschological disorders, the most obvious being Osaka who exhibits many of the traits of a child with Asperger's. I myself was diagnosed with the symptom a few years back and I can strongly identify with her character but I ask, should this be mentioned in the article?
:There was previously a long discussion about Sakaki having Asperger Syndrome which you may wish to read at Talk:Azumanga_Daioh/archive_02#Sakaki_having_Asperger_Syndrome. Unless we can get a proper citation from a reliable source then we should not be mentioning this in the article. It may not be what the author intented and is really just speculation. --Squilibob 10:00, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be acceptable to say things like "some people with Aspergers find they identify with Osaka's character traits", however I feel sure someone will then put a "citation needed" tag on so you would need to think about how to back up such a statement without violating the "no original research" rule! Personally though I think that very many marginalised groups, non-conformists, day-dreamers, otakus, etc., probably identify with Osaka so it would be better to make a more wide-ranging paragraph about Osaka's impact on fans Samatarou 19:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Osaka with asperger's? 

message: Given the wikilink to yonkoma, do we really need to define it? It seems both redundant and off the subject, especially in the lead. —Quasirandom 20:58, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could possibly be shortened. Just mentioning that yonkoma have a vertical layout would be enough. Something like "Azumanga Daioh was drawn as a series of vertical four-panel comic strips called yonkoma." --Squilibob 05:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defining [[yonkoma]] 

message: Since this is the main page, I'll bring this up here. Between the Characters section, List of Azumanga Daioh characters, and the individual character pages, there's three different descriptions of the eight main characters -- a short summary, a longer summary, and a full version. In most cases, the three are out of sync, with different information and wording, as different editors work on them, resulting in redundency and confusion. In short, taking the suite of Azumanga Diaoh pages as a whole, we've got some organizational issues.
I'm willing to tackle this, but I've got two ideas on how to handle it. The first is to handle it the way Bleach (manga)/Characters in Bleach does, by deleting the longer summaries on List of Azumanga Daioh characters where fuller character articles exist, leaving just the wikilink. The second is to delete the shorter summary versions here in the Characters section and replace the "Further information" with a "Main article" cross-reference. Any opinions on which would be better? —Quasirandom 22:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bleach way sounds good. --Squilibob 04:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless someone chimes in otherwise, then, I'll work on that after a prosework pass on the individual character pages. (Tightening up sentences, streamlining paragraph organization, that sort of stuff.) —Quasirandom 00:31, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work on the article. With your edits the GA nomination is looking much better. --Squilibob 05:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yer welcome. Got a couple more to do, though. And, well, see the discussion on Osaka's Talk page -- I'm not at all convinced most of the characters should be separate articles. —Quasirandom 14:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I would be inclined to have a one sentence description of each character on the main page, and put everything else on the "Azumanga characters" page, with the exception of Osaka and Chiyo-chan who deserve their own proper pages complete with discussion of cultural impact etc. If a character page is no more than a synopsis of what that character did in the series I don't think it deserves its own page. My position is that Azumanga Daioh led to three iconic characters being added to anime culture: Osaka, Chiyo-chan, and Chiyo's father (ちよ父 in Japanese, ie. the yellow cat), i.e. these three get referenced and imaged independently of the series in all sorts of contexts, and between them they are responsible for the bulk of Azumanga Daoih's cultural impact. (I'm agnostic on whether its practicable to have a page about the yellow cat though, given that we never even learn its name! However it should certainly feature on the characters page.) Samatarou 19:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's my inclination too, speaking after having done a prosework pass on a couple of the character pages you suggest deleting, with a growing sense that they don't deserve separate articles. I've put working on the others on hold till we get a consensus here on this. Tho' maybe what I ought to do is formally propose merges, with all the templates. —Quasirandom 19:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Handling of character descriptions 

message: I am glad to say that this article which was nominated for good article status has succeeded. This is how the article, as of July 16, 2007, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: The article is well written with correct grammar and spellling and follows the manual of style guidelines.
:2. Factually accurate?: All sections are well sourced with citations to references. More sources are always better and if more can be added, then please do.
:3. Broad in coverage?: Article is through in all areas and addresses each part of the topic properly.
:4. Neutral point of view?: Written in an neutral point of view.
:5. Article stability? No edit wars going on and very little vandalism.
:6. Images?: All images are properly licensed with valid fair use claims.
If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status. 
— --Hdt83  Chat 07:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Successful [[Wikipedia:Good articles|good article]] nomination

message: Why do both of the teachers drive marked and correctly-badged Toyotas? Yukari has a 9th gen Corolla and Nyamo a 1st gen Vitz. Anyone know whether Toyota sponsored this, or whether Azuma Kiyohiko has any link to Toyota? The van on their second summer has an upside-down Mercedes logo, suggesting that it is not supposed to be a 'Benz. Luigi6138 20:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure exactly what Japanese law has to say about this, but in general, I've seen many correctly-branded items in anime and manga (along with some very obvious parody brands). It could simply be that Japanese companies are not so litigious when it comes to the use of their logo as long as it isn't in an inappropriate manner, though I do not have any firsthand knowledge in that regard. --Julian Grybowski 03:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if Toyota was really sponsoring AzuDai, then the V-class Merc that you mentioned would be a Toyota Hiace or similar. --FDaihatsu 10:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Azuma(nga Daioh) + Toyota?

message: Considering how clean and well-written List of Azumanga Daioh media is versus your typical anime and manga series media list, a merger should be a very simple and painless affair. Pretty much everything except the episode list and music section can be copied here under the "Media" section with just a little cleanup; the aforementioned episode list and music section should instead be split out into a seperate List of Azumanga Daioh episodes, and the music section needs converted to prose. Before anyone asks, I've proposed this because media lists are generally discouraged by the Animanga project in favor of more specialized spinout articles such as lists of episodes, chapters, and characters. As I pointed out at the beginning of this message, a merge would be very easy because of how clean this media list is - it's definitely not the norm. Any thoughts? —Dinoguy1000 21:39, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. It's been something that's been on my TBDWIGT list -- near the bottom because, as you say, it's a pretty clean list. If you've got the time, go for it. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, I'll have a look in a few minutes. Hopefully, I won't end up breaking any refs that I later need to track down... *crosses fingers* —Dinoguy1000 18:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Merge/split is done, all that's left now is cleanup. —Dinoguy1000 19:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just so you know, the reason there was a ref on shonen in the infobox is that without it, it keeps getting changed by editors who think it's supposed to be shojo or seinen. As a prophalyctic measure, it helps a lot. —Quasirandom (talk) 19:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Out of curiosity, has just using the invisible comment been tried, and found ineffective? If so, feel free to add the ref back into the infobox. —Dinoguy1000 20:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be honest, I don't remember if a comment was tried or not. We can try that (again) for now and see. —Quasirandom (talk) 21:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's already one there: "do not change without discussion, including presenting evidence that is more authoritative than the publisher's own claim that Dengeki Daioh is aimed at a shōnen audience". There isn't, however, an invisible comment on the genres, but I take it that they haven't been a problem? —Dinoguy1000 21:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, not a problem. That came out of a discussion somwhere else (I think on one of the main project talk pages, but I'm not finding it the archives; one result of the discussion was this thread) about how, because determining something is slice-of-life requires interpretation, it requires a source -- so I put it in the infobox as the only obvious place to put it. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, if it ever becomes a problem, then, feel free to stick the ref back in the infobox. I think this is one situation where an exception can be made. —Dinoguy1000 18:44, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging the media list 

message: According to WP:N dojin works are generally not put for inclusion in wikipedia, unless there is justifiable reason for them, such as the particular game becoming a cult success that can meet WP:V standards. Right now, I can't see either of the dojin games meeting standards for inclusion in the article when almost every anime has dojin games made by dozens of companies.Jinnai (talk) 07:25, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dojin games