Talk:Body painting

message: I think that there should be some more info. on how it was first started and who thought of painting on human bodys. And i think that there should be some other things like more history ect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.108.217.128 (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More info

message: Because of the (painted) nudity, for this article I would suggest that the image of Danni Ashe should be linked rather than embedded in accord with this tentative Wikipedia guideline: "it may be preferable not to embed possibly offensive images in articles, but rather use a media:image name link with an appropriate warning. On the other hand, if the page title already tells the reader what to expect (e.g. Erotic art in Pompeii), such a warning may be unnecessary." Objections? --Flex 21:33, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
: Would it perhaps make more sense to add the image to the Danni Ashe page and then only link to that? Michael L. Kaufman 14:23, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
::Well, the image was recently removed from that page for the same reason as above. (See Talk:Danni Ashe.) I made the change on this article. We'll see how things go. --Flex 15:17, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
:::WP:NOT censored for the protection of minors. This image is needed to illustrate the section. See the breasts article--God_of War 06:12, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Link rather than embed?

message: Why are there so many Playboy-type pictures on this page. The cover of these magazines are not so ground-breaking. Can we please have something less commercial? Dandelion1 01:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree the majority of the images are of a "pin up" or "softcore" nature.  I don't think ground-brakingness is key to the validity of the entry, however.  Are there other or better photos available on Wikipedia for this entry?  I'd say keep the Danni Ashe image, as it is less commercial than the Playboy images, if one of the two has to go. Glowimperial 18:09, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Avengerscap 10:09, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOT censored for minors, so nothing against breasts here. But I agree that the article could do with a bit more equality. I have lots of pictures of bodypainted men (almost as much as I do of bodypainted women), so maybe I could upload some. JIP | Talk 14:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: overt commercialism?

message: The current article states that completely covering someone in bodypaint will not cause them to asphyxiate due to obstruction of the pores. It is possible that this is true for modern noncomedogenic paints, but I am relatively certain that circus performers and other paint-clad artists (the Tin man in The Wizard of Oz (film) for example) typically leave a half-dollar sized area unpainted to prevent this. Can anyone (i.e. someone with experience in bodypainting) confirm this one way or another? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.195.118.2 (talk) 21:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Mythbusters tested this myth and proved it false. Dwp49423 00:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find this disturbing. What if it had been true? Would it have counted as killing? JIP | Talk 09:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It wasn't true, so we may never know what it may have counted as... Ilikefood (talk) 22:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asphyxiation by bodypaint 

message: This is not your personal advertisement space. Attempting to funnel visitors to this article into visiting an article about your company that was created as an obvious advertisement violates Wikipedia's NPOV policy. --Khisanth 22:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speaking of Overt Commercialism 

message: User:Dvnc-arts keeps putting links to his own site, and a picture that seems to be incompatible with the Wikipedia image submission policy (it has copyright information on the image itself) into the article. What should be done about this? JIP | Talk 07:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVNC-Arts 

message: I discovered that Wikipedia had an article about whole-body painting, which is exactly similar to the body painting described here, except that the resulting artwork is on an external canvas and not directly on the model's body. This should perhaps be merged into this article. However, I think the terms are too similar and do not accurately reflect the distinction, as both kinds of painting are done on whole bodies, the only difference is what is presented as the final artwork. JIP | Talk 07:15, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whole-body painting 

message: I recently broke my photographing frequency record at a body painting show in Sello: 293 pictures in 12 hours' time, and that's only the pictures I kept. There were three female models, two in their underwear, the other topless. Should I upload pictures, assuming I get the models' permission? JIP | Talk 22:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the pictures are encyclopedic and will contribute to the quality of Wikipedia, go for it! :-) Ilikefood (talk) 22:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: 293 in 12hrs? Pathetic. I can crank twice that out in a day if I have a big enough memory card :p -mattbuck (Talk) 22:21, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, during the last World Bodypainting Festival, I took almost 2000 pictures over four and a half days' time. This year I plan on taking at least as many, because this time I have a Zen Vision W with me, which can store five times as many pictures, so I don't have to worry about conserving storage space. JIP | Talk 19:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *whistles* -mattbuck (Talk) 19:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I would love to alphabetise the "Famous people with facepaint" subsection, but unfortunately it mixes real names, stage names, and names of teams or bands. Is there any way to sort this out? JIP | Talk 20:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous people with facepaint 

message: Hey, if the books are so popular, how come no ones getting the word that they are making a new movie? I's kinda silly. If no one hears about the movie, no one will watch it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.232.83 (talk) 11:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What the heck does this have to do with body painting? JIP | Talk 18:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maximum Ride 

message: I HATE this sentence, but I have no idea how to change it because I don't understand what it means.  Is it an "art" thing or a "non-native English speaker" thing?  
"Body art today evolves to the works more directed towards personal mythologies, as Jana Sterbak, Rebecca Horn, Youri Messen-Jaschin or Javier Perez."
Can someone help? 208.96.196.130 (talk) 15:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a wild guess. "Body art today has evolved into the direction of works more directed towards personal mythologies, such as those of Jana Sterbak, Rebecca Morn, Youri Messen-Jaschin or Javier Perez." I'd bet on the "non-native English speaker" thing. I have often had to rewrite English sentences written by other Finns, who follow the Finnish sentence structure, which is very different from the English one. JIP | Talk 19:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar/structure 

message: Since 1979,  I have been working with metalic makeup to produce the effect of having a silver, copper, or gold human statue come alive in front of my camera.  I've been published world wide and am the most published metalic MUA/photographer in the world.
I find it troubling that none of the work accomplished by pioneers such as Jon Stevens and myself -- unless I missed that -- are even mentioned here. We were the ones who devoted more time to the artistic efforts. Indeed, we created human statues and sculptures.
I devoted much of my time and will continue to devote time to my work until I die.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwar2006 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Body painting as an artform verses the commercialism depicted here 

message: Why do so many female body painting models (not all of them though) go topless while being painted? The idea is to present the most of one's body to be painted, not necessarily all of it. They're already wearing panties while painted, surely a thin top covering just enough of the breasts to be decent wouldn't hurt the effect that much? JIP | Talk 00:55, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women painted topless 

message: A talk show host asked what gender invented Face Painting and make up.I said it was a combined effort of both,and from numerous cultures.The introduction of face painting was used by meso American cultures,in ceremony and war,and that was by the male gender.The European female adopted that concept and furthered it's use,as we know today.Here is another cosmetic example,wigs were worn by English nobility as a token of authority,yet females adopted it later for style conversions. Now on the other hand jewelry was thought up by viking women as well as men,because it was easier to carry their wealth where ever they go,because of their transient lifestyle. Hair clips were worn by Samaria warriors to keep their hair out of their face,women today use the same innovations.Tattoo's were invented by women in Norwegian cultures to identify themselves, The tattoo would name their husband,their favorite flower,etc, today men use that concept as well.So my answer to the talk show host,the answer is not A or B,it is a combined effort of both, and many cultures over long time spans.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.249.184.30 (talk) 14:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosmetics 

message: Someone added this image to this article, and it was quickly reverted. The description of the file doesn't make it clear whether this is a tattoo or body painting, in other words, does the ink go under or over the skin. JIP | Talk 16:56, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Orca tattoo" 

message: I'm sorry, but I am going to remove this image again.  It is a lousy image to use as an illustration of body painting.  The two women are too far away to be seen in the size allocated.  In fact, what it looks like is two women wearing bikini bottoms, a red cape, boots, cat ears, and carrying cardboard signs in front of them.  I have no problem with using images from a PETA protest, I remember seeing some excellent ones of women in cages or even the controversial billboard campaign that they ran a few years ago that would be great examples.  But the image that is currently included doesn't work as an example of body painting.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:14, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If the only problem is the size of the image, then I could (at some point in time) edit the image to cut away parts of it so it focuses more on the women. Then I could upload the new version and replace the old image with that. I was the who took the original picture in the first place, so uploading an edited version shouldn't be a problem. JIP | Talk 20:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I MIGHT be able to support that... assuming that it is clearer that they are in fact wearing body paint. Looked at the image, the art is nice, if you can see it.  As is, it looks like they are wearing boots and a red cape... personally, I like the images from here and I know that there was a huge controversy a few years ago dealing with billboards and what I thought were body painted people.  But I can't find it anywhere.  (I also think there are too many images on this page right now... perhaps a gallery might be helpful?  I don't have time to work on it right now... but I think we need to clean it up some.  Right now, my favorite images are the butterfly girl, soldier, the Hoyas image (because it purely fans), the Demi Moore image (probably the most famous body suit ever), and the Saints fan (again, it shows the extremes that fans will go to, it's not as polished as some, but is still probably done by a pro.)  Any of the others, could IMHO be removed.  The PETA image, in its current condition, is the worst of the images.  (Again, I am not criticizing the art or the cause or even the image itself, but the image for the purpose of illustrating Body Painting.)---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 21:41, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The PETA photo 

message: This recent edit claims that the mention of medieval Dalecarlian body painting was vandalism. Up to this time, I had merely thought it was a historical curiosity. Can anyone either verify or deny it was vandalism? JIP | Talk 20:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Read here.````  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.108.89 (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: In last paragraph of facepainting, in the discussion around glitter tattoos, it is mentioned that these are made with the "original pink glue"...this is an overt plug for a specific brand. What the article SHOULD say instead of "Original Pink Glue" is cosmetic-grade glue. Vpundir 02:17, 1 September 2011 (BST)
:I completely agree, and I wish I had spotted it myself. Looks like it had been there since December 2009, but no one noticed. JIP | Talk 20:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Blatant commercialism

message: There are now more photos in this article than stands to reason. On most high-resolution screens, the articles is visually unappealing and even disturbing due to the ragging caused by numerous pictures that don't fit into their respective sections. Vpundir 02:17, 1 September 2011 (BST)
:I have to say I'm a bit guilty in that myself, having added both images taken by me and images taken by other people. But images of body painted people are nice to look at, so I guess people got carried over. Perhaps the article could do with a bit of critical screening about the images. JIP | Talk 20:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I hafta agree... I just took a look at the page and realized that we have way too many photos... and are missing at least one key type (wrestling).  I'm going to work on cleaning up the photos starting tonight---unless somebody wants to get started sooner.---Balloonman Poppa Balloon 22:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Go right ahead, they definitely need thinning out. I'd recommend keeping, the soldier/cammo one, the Demi Moore one and the warrior face paint ceramic one. The rest are pretty much up to personal preference and how many you think the article can support. --GraemeL (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with those... I'd like to see a few more removed (cut out at least two of the sports images, I just don't know which ones---Hoyas, Saints, or FIFA.)  And add two more images (ideally one from a traditional usage... I'm thinking American Indian, India Indian, or some Pacific Islander of some sort.)---Balloonman Poppa Balloon 23:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many photos - cleanup required

message: Shouldn't there be a section regarding painting within the world of music? Some examples would be Blue Man Group, glam metal bands like Kiss and Black Veil Brides, and some black metal and extreme metal bands. Nothing huge, but a mention would be adequate, would it not?
Thatemooverthere (Talk) 01:17, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painting in music 

message: Is there some kind of edit war going on about which picture is better for the top of the article? Wouldn't it be possible to simply have both? JIP | Talk 06:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is already verging on cluttered, and having more than one image in the lead seems like a bad idea. The current image (:File:Phoenix Rising.jpg) seems needlessly complicated for encyclopedic purposes. The flame background is just as prominent as the bodypainting, and the pose is very dramatic, but not clearly understandable, especially as a thumbnail. The costume wings only makes this worse.  It's also kind of telling that the caption lists the photographer, but not the model or the person who did the painting. This underlines that the image is more about artistic photography than it is about clear explanation.  The main photo should show bodypainting in clearly, without ambiguity or other distracting elements. The previous version was not perfect, but it was much more appropriate for an encyclopedia. So... do we need to do a WP:RFC for this or something? Grayfell (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Phoenix Rising has now again a watermark. I removed that watermark by uploading a version without, but that seems not possible. Would be better in my opinion to use an image without a watermark. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hannolans#de_file_van_Phoenix_Rising_in_die_versie_is_een_illegale_download --Hannolans (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The watermark is too crass and is yet another distraction. The image might be usable at Karl Hammer, but not here. If we really want something with a more artistic focus, how about moving the Starry Night one to the lead? There's much less room for confusion and the thumbnail reads clearly. Grayfell (talk) 01:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems the watermark issue is by now turning into an obsession for some where it becomes bigger and more problem each time it is disccussed. The watermark is a pity but not too crass. Hammer explained elsewhere to Hannolans why it was legally not possible to release an image without the imprint. In anyway I see rather the professional bodypaint art work with a watermark (Rembrandt and other artists signed his name too) than the amateur starry night. So its a choice for content quality of the article. Elfrieb (talk) 08:57, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't get snarky, every one of your edits has been about this topic, so rather than try and figure out who's "obsessed", comment on edits, not editors. This is not about the image's inclusion in Wikimedia Commons, which is irrelevant, this is about its use as the lead image in the article. Aesthetic considerations must take a back seat to relevance and clarity. Per Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Content "The relevant aspect of the image should be clear and central". This image is not a good representation of the topic, because it is has too many other elements.  Grayfell (talk) 09:28, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dear Elfrieb, I know you as a big fan and I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I would even more appreciate it if there is less negative discussion surrounding my work. It's only wikipedia, not a trade magazine or otherwise professional resource. Karl Hammer (talk) 07:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

text: This article has just acquired three images of work by Paul Roustan which seems a little WP:UNDUE and fails to provide the variety required by MOS:PERTINENCE. One is now the lead image, superseding Grayfell's use of Starry Night without any discussion here. I suggest we limit the images to one per artist, and switch the lead back to Starry Night unless consensus is reached for one of the new images to be in the lead. In addition the newly-added paragraph about Roustan is written in the promotional style of a press release and appears to need editing for WP:TONE. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

text: as no comments received. - Polly Tunnel (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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