Talk:Guarani language

message: I have a problem with the statement made in the first paragraph of the page. How is Guarani the only indigenous language with an overwhelming majority of speakers being non-native? This is ridiculous because the majority of speakers are people of mixed european/amerindian ancestry, which means they are of indigenous ancestry and hence indigenous people nonetheless. They couldn't have come from anywhere else but paraguay and are therefore indigenous. Its not like a large group of mestizo people from another country immigrated into paraguay and these are the speakers! The guarani people were always there and accommodated some european immigrants into their population - suddenly they are not indigenous? This is very strange to me - as a mestizo person myself, we consider ourselves indigenous although not all will say "amerindian" - indigenous nonetheless. Please change this. 
October 15, 2009  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.192.176 (talk) 04:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement you object to has to be understood in context. The context is the fact that most other indigenous languages of the Americas are struggling to stay alive, many of them are nearing extinction, the speakers often tend to be elderly members of remote and isolated native communities, while the younger generations often reject their ancestral languages in favor of Spanish, Portuguese, or English, depending on what country they live in. Paraguay is a unique case, in the sense that an indigenous language (Paraguayan Guaraní) is more widespread than the language brought by the European settlers (in this case, Spanish), and it is not restricted to isolated native (i.e. Amerindian) communities, on the contrary it is also widespread among Paraguayan people who have no Guaraní ancestry. If I were a Paraguayan Guaraní speaker, I would be proud that my language was so popular!  Pasquale (talk) 15:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

text: Point taken. What you're saying makes a lot of sense. I have toned down the statement you objected to. Let me know if this is satisfactory.  Pasquale (talk) 18:12, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

text: It's a common issue of the discourse on indigenous cultures that their legitimacy as part of indigenous cultures is effectively dependent on acting like living museums of a lifestyle which has, in some cases, been dead for centuries, or whose actual culture during the colonization and right before wouldn't necessarily have seemed too authentic to outsiders whose expectations of indigenous cultures are built on misconceptions. The fact that these outsiders, as conquerors, have most of the power in determining and shaping who is accepted as a part of these cultures  doesn't exactly help. 74.56.208.54 (talk) 00:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Guarani speakers are not indigenous? Since when?

message: Yesterday I made a comment on the Guaraní language article, concerning the statement that it is an official language in Misiones Province as well as Corrientes Province. Reading the articles on these provinces led me to believe that this was not the case for Misiones. Another user said that the same articles on Spanish Wikipedia seemed to corroborate this belief, so I deleted the mention of Misiones. I deleted the same mention in this article; but as I was doing so, I noticed there was a reference for it. This makes me think that maybe the information about Misiones was true after all. I wasn't thinking at the moment, so I didn't notice what the reference was before deleting it. I'm guessing it was from the same place that the Corrientes reference was from; but that reference is a Spanish website. Could someone who can read Spanish please check that website for information confirming whether or not Guaraní is an official language in Misiones? Thank you. NoriMori (talk) 23:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi NoriMori, I did look at the linked news story in question and it's an article from El Diario Digital of Posadas, Misiones, Argentina of Friday, October 29, 2004. The article's title is: "MISIONES: PARLAMENTO JUVENIL INSTAURA AL IDIOMA GUARANÍ COMO LENGUA OFICIAL" ("Misiones: Youth Parliament Establishes the Guaraní Language as an Official Language"). The following is a translation of the first paragraph, which basically says it all: "In its first session, the Youth Parliament which operates in the Misiones Legislature passed a law establishing the Guaraní language as an official language of the province. It also passed a polemic bill which prohibits violent games in cyber-cafés. Furthermore, it asks for the installation of ATMs in places that lack this service and for the extension of visiting hours at rural outreach clinics. These regulations passed by the teens are not binding, however some legislator might support them as initiatives." In conclusion, I would say, you did fine to delete the reference to Misiones.  Pasquale (talk) 17:43, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, Pasquale. To be honest, I wanted to address my request to you alone, but I didn't think that would be in good taste. Thank you for responding so quickly. NoriMori (talk) 01:12, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistaken about Misiones?

message: Hello!
Please to put the letter G with tilde in Unicode!
--Jaques O. Carvalho ☜ 01:35, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think Unicode is accepting any more letters like that. But if you want, you can apply to the Unicode Consortium. We don't handle such things. — kwami (talk) 21:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: G with tilde

message: Which pronunciation is correct, [aʋãɲẽˈʔẽ] or [ʔãʋ̃ãɲẽˈʔẽ]? Stephen MUFC (talk) 21:57, 25 June 2012 (
:According to our article, it would be the latter. — kwami (talk) 21:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: But both are included in the article. Stephen MUFC (talk) 22:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: In the infobox, the ISO 639-3 code and glottocode does not describe the same language : 
* grn is the macrolanguage code, there is no corresponding glottocode for this code
* para1311 is the Paraguayan Guaraní code, that correspond to the gug ISO 639-3 code
The number of speakers given (4.9 million (1995), 2.5 million monolinguals (2002 census)) correspond to nothing, the reference for these figures is http://www.ethnologue.com/language/grn, but it says "Population total all languages: 4,939,180." with no date. http://www.ethnologue.com/language/gug says "4,650,000 in Paraguay (1995), decreasing. Population total all countries: 4,850,000. 2,500,000 monolinguals (2002 census)."
Regards, Şÿℵדαχ₮ɘɼɾ๏ʁ 06:02, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISO 639-3 and Glottocode and number of speakers problems 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Would it be possible to add the general time that the language became a written language?
I feel it would be useful info to include, if possible.pearl playa (talk) 16:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  more info to add 

message: The history section seems to have a slant to it. For example, this sentence makes it sound as if the Jesuits were overcomplicating things--"This process often led the Jesuits to employ complicated, highly synthetic terms to convey Western concepts"--yet the article goes on to say that Guarani is a polysynthetic language. It's rather eurocentric to say that "highly synthetic" words are "complicated" to speakers of a polysynthetic language. 24.211.250.124 (talk) 22:28, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Please put G with tilde character URGENTLY in Unicode! It is of great importance for obvious reasons! --Jaques O. Carvalho ☜ 13:46, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: We can't add that character to Unicode. We're just Wikipedia editors. You would have to get in touch with the Unicode Consortium and convince them that this character is needed. For now, you have to combine the g and the combining diacritical tilde. Snowman304|talk 00:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please put [[G with tilde]] character URGENTLY in Unicode! 

message: I'm having trouble finding this reference. Does anyone have a clue?
This conveys a predicative possessive reading.Caralho, Jao de (1993) Peixes de Ámérica do Sul, Universidade de Rio de Janeiro Snowman304|talk 00:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Trying hard to assume good faith, Caralho could be a mispelling of a real, less offensive sounding name, but "Peixes de Ámérica do Sul" (with its bad accent on A) doesn't sound like the title of a work that discusses predicative possession. I think it's a silly joke. –Austronesier (talk) 21:52, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

text: PS: Yup, it's vandalism by some caralho-head that has been unnoticed for 11 years. I will restore the original reference. –Austronesier (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How did this stick for over 10 years? Another reason to always check Wikipedia for potential nonsense. — Sagotreespirit (talk) 09:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Sagotreespirit and @Austronesier, thanks so much! Incredible that it stayed for 11 years. I found a copy of the paper, so I'm going to update the now-corrected citation. Snowman304|talk 21:40, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caralho, Jao de (1993) Peixes de Ámérica do Sul, Universidade de Rio de Janeiro 

message: Can someone add  on the External links section? I'm not used to that template. Cheers, RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:07, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-do 

message: , according to Estigarribia,
1) "To these figures one should add the between half a million to a million Paraguayan expatriates in Argentina, and thus arrive at a figure of 6 to 7 million speakers of this particular variety."
2) "The use of Guarani to refer exclusively to the latter variety here [Paraguayan Guarani]..."
3) "Importantly, Guarani is the only indigenous official language of MERCOSUR, an economic and political agreement among Argentina, Bolivia (in the process of admission as of December 2019), Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay and Venezuela (suspended as of December 2019)."
RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about the Paraguayan version of Guaraní, and nothing else.  Other versions have their own articles.  Guaraní is not an official language in Argentina except in the province of Corrientes, and not at all in Uruguay for example.  Whether official status means anything even in Corrientes -- can one fill in a government form, do a trámite in Guaraní -- is not shown by the cited sources.Ttocserp 20:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Does this template need to be used? Quite sure the most used symbol is the apostrophe (). I'm gonna be WP:BOLD and change it, but feel free to revert if there are any objections. RodRabelo7 (talk) 19:58, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually . RodRabelo7 (talk) 20:03, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|hamza}}