Talk:Cue sports

message: Anything on Billiards' game complexity? Is it infinite since there are infinite many positions and thus possibilities? 70.111.251.203 14:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting question.  A game-theoretic treatment of any billiards-type game would necessarily have to abstract away from exact positions, since they "only" affect the difficulty of the various shots, which is in any event subjective to a degree.  Obviously you can't ignore it completely, otherwise it's simply "win for first player", so you'd need to model the players, as well as the physical game state.  Alai 21:10, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think Einstein has a quote about it. --68.239.240.144 04:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Game complexity]] 

message: I don't know that the comment on whether billiards (or cue sports if you insist,) makes sense in the introduction.  The introduction should mention common games such as 8-ball, 9-ball, snooker, and three cushion billards (and other widespread variations.  It should probably attempt to clarify the usage of the term billiards which is confusing to most people.  It should differentiate carom and pocket billiard games as they are important broad categories.  It should mention the popularity of league play, with mention of some important sanctioning bodies WPA, BCA etc.
In the past, I did a lot of work on this article and would like to see it improved
166.34.148.192 22:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: I also saw some Poker pool balls using Google Image Search. Honestly! There were blue balls marked J (for Jack), red balls marked Q (for Queen), purple balls marked K (for King), and yellow balls marked A (for Ace).--Mathexpressions 04:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I will be working on an article about that at some point. The idea is hardly new, and dates back to at least the time of ivory billiard balls, though the exact rulesets are unlikely to have been consistent over time. I know the Aramith ball set you mean.  There is another more recent set that are very colorful, almost ridiculous looking, with actual kings and queens and stuff (faces, I mean) on them.  I have also seen a clay ball set from ca. 1920 that was somewhat similar to the set you are talking about, but I believe with more balls.  And there is a card game that combines poker and pool, using normal pool balls.  If you are interested in unusual games like this, see also Baseball pocket billiards. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 05:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: PS: Mathexpressions, the game you are specifically writing about is covered in the BCA rule book, so a well-sourced article will be easy to create. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont]  ‹(-¿-)› 05:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poker pool 

message: This article needs some references to some sort of standards for cue sports, such as pool.  There seems to be lots of variety in table sizes and pocket widths available, ball size or weight, surface characteristics, cue characteristics or other factors designed to assure uniformity in the game.   Perhaps this is deliberate - if so it should at least have some sort of minimum standards, e.g. a "level playing field" (pardon the pun).  This should be especially important to tournament players.  There are case examples with tournament bodies deliberately increasing table size and reducing pocket size in order to make the game more challenging for top players.   --71.245.164.83 (talk) 02:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of standards references 

message: The term pocket billiards is used inconsistently in the article. Does it mean:
*"Pool or pocket billiards, generally played on a table with six pockets ..." where pocket billiards links to pool (cue sports)
or is it a generic name for all billiard [type] games played on a table with pockets as in its is used in the section Cue sports#Major games (carom and pocket). Because if the latter then the former is confusing and is further confused by the hatnote:
(Where "Pocket billiards" links to Pool (cue sports)).
In a similar way the section Cue sports#List of cue sports says that "English billiards (another hybrid)" of  "Carom billiards games", but in the previous talk section we have established that it is not a hybrid (as it is at least as old as all modern billiard games and modern pocket-less Carom games), and if "Snooker (see below; popularly regarded as its own sport, not a pool variant)" is its own sport so is English billiards.
If it can not be decided what "Pocket billiards" means in American English and Commonwealth English then we should avoid using the term, or define what we mean by it before it is used in the article. Also I do not think that sources over 30 years old, should be used to define a term like "Pocket billiards" as language changes and usage of such phrases does as well. Eg if the American professional organisations  have been pressing for it to mean pool type games, and snooker professional organisations tend not to use the term, then it is probably better to define it that American way and stick with that American usage in an article such as this.
If "Pocket billiards" turns out not to have one meaning, and a definition can not be agreed upon then perhaps we should alter the section Cue sports#List of cue sports so that the list is either by table type sections, or by section based on the governing bodies of the various sports. 
-- PBS (talk) 22:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, there's some serious loose speak that needs to be clarified. I'm going to take a stab soon if someone else doesn't but everything I do I expect to tie to reliable sources, so it's not a mater of just writing what I know.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:23, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Pool (cue sports)#Organisation has a list of organisations that oversee the various types of cue sports. -- PBS (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That won't help, since a large number cue sports have no governing bodies. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 05:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

text: Agreed: This article sucks quite badly. It is so much harder to write parent articles than those on specifics so I've concentrated elsewhere. It's also difficult to write the parent article when the many things it's going to speak of and link to, possibly with , are so poorly developed, which was the case at least when I first came across this article years ago. The draft I barely started and pretty much abandoned is at User:Fuhghettaboutit/List of pocket billiards games. Do whatever you wish with or to it, including a merge of any content out of it or into it, and moving it wherever you deem fit. I'm just throwing this out there but I am still not convinced, lo these many years later, that this doesn't belong at the historical name Billiards, with an in-text treatment of the splintering of the name, and its division into pocket billiards and carom billiards as games specialized as a top division point, followed by further description of specialization.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:18, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, der great thing about wiki is it can't be truly broken - if one approach doesn't work, we can just rescramble it all and adjust it to a better fit. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 13:46, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pocket billards 

message: Thanks to a quirk of editing history, we have a detailed description of pool games in the general article Cue sports#Games played on a pool table and a far less detailed description in Pool (cue sports)#Game types. So I am going to swap the two section. -- PBS (talk) 16:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swap some of text with this article and [[Pool (cue sports)]] 

message: In the cue balls picture text reads: Not shown: half-scale children's miniature pool—approximately 28.5 mm (1 1⁄8 in).
But, I have a "MINI POOL TABLE", as the box reads, a 20.5 × 11.5 cm (about 8 × 4.5 in) table with 9.5 mm (3/8 in) balls. Though, the table and balls are probably not the same material than "normal" sets. 85.217.36.130 (talk) 05:03, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miniature (?) pool ball 

message: I expect I will have to live with it – as the expression does seem to be in fairly wide use, especially on the Web – but I continue to find the term "cue sports" a very strange one (and one I would never have thought of looking for before stumbling across this page). It's not the word cue but the use of the term sports. For me, billiards, pool, snooker, and all the rest are games, not "sports". My view of the matter is doubtless influenced by the fact that I am someone who loves playing games but hates sport... --Picapica (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cue sports" 

message: I removed this portion:
" The first known mention of a form of the word "billiards" appears in Edmund Spenser's Mother Hubberd's Tale in 1591, where he speaks of "all thriftles games that may be found ... with dice, with cards, with ." "
Because, the statement made is not true, likewise, the meaning of the sentence is not clear. 
As an example, billiard tables were being licensed in Holland (and in other countries) as early as the 1470s. Surely a form of the word "billiard" appeared in writing, and was used verbally prior to 1591. As a matter of fact, the wiki article itself currently contradicts the 1591 claim by mentioning the Duke of Norfolk and Queen Mary.
To be accurate, the sentence should have specified: the first known "mention in writing" (which it's not) Or the first known mention in a "book". (are you sure?) Or the first known mention "verbally".(highly unlikely)
Taken one step further, why would "bille" NOT be a form of the word: billiards?
DB Bond (talk) 18:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The Oxford English Dictionary under Billiards n: gives  the OED is usually considered authoritative on first usage.  Do you have another source as authoritative as the OED that puts it earlier? -- PBS (talk) 23:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

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message: There is a draft for an outline of cue sports at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of cue sports if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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message: The history section said "In 1588, the Duke of Norfolk, owned a 'billyard bord coered with a greene cloth... three billyard sticks and 11 balls of yvery'." There was no Duke of Norfolk in 1588, so I deleted the info, which is obviously mistaken. Leefeni de Karik (talk) 01:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duke of Norfolk 

message: The billiard ball image labeled 57 mm as 2 1/4 inches when 2 1/4 inches is 57.15 mm.
2 inches is 50.8 mm whereas 51 mm is 2 1/127 inches which's 0.393700787401574803183734729827847331762% (or just over 0.39%) above 2 inches.
Pool balls have a diameter tolerance no greater than +/- 0.005 inches which is 0.22222222222+% of its diameter yet the rules also state so.
I knew correction had to be done on the image description, as one thing must equal and match another and such balls are measured in specific sizes and by rule of the games.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.58.216.93 (talk) 12:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image description correction on number of inches on the American pool ball and blackball.