Talk:Latin hip hop

message: ok now about reggaeton. its true that there is many talented artist out there trying to make there way through that barrier. but it also radio station's fault for now reconizing good music. i tell you man reggaeton is blowing up. And we have artist like tego calderon, daddy yankee and don omar leading the way. but we also need the radio's help. like for example the radio station in new york 97.9. they claim that they play plenty of reggaeton. its not really true, because when they do play reggaeton during the day its like 3 or 4 songs and its the same songs everyday. only some times on the weekend they play some real reggaeton. but my point is we need some one to step up and help these artist. we have that channel "mun2" they play some reggaeton but they play one of the oldest video or they just play the same one over and over. but right now im just gonna relax and wait for reggaeton to appear on some english radio stations. because i know for a fact reggaeton is gonna be all ova the u.s. in a couple of years. reggaeton will big so bigger than hip-hop right now. so lets just watch the count down.........BITCHES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.166.153 (talk) 14:11, 15 January 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reggaeton 

message: I just reverted these edits because they were a copy & paste from . Dear  63.186.49.177, if you had permission to insert this copyrighted text here, then please state this explicitly. But even if you had, I think the text would have needed reworking and merging with the existing text. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine website with lots of information. I will add a link to it. regards, High on a tree 11:45, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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message: Someone at Hunter college has made some really good contributions to article with respect to Latinos in the early years of hip hop, but isn't quite on point about who is considered a "Latin Rapper" and who isn't. I've removed some comments about Haitians and noticed that this was just added to the article: "Italian, French, Castilian (Spanish), Portuguese and Romanian. Anyone who speaks a dialect of these languages can be considered to be a Latino."  A Latino is someone who comes from a people that speak Spanish, or whose people share a cultural bond with those of Spanish speaking countries.  Italians, French and Romanian people do not consider themselves Latino just because they speak a Romance language.  Italians, French, and Haitian people do not check off "Latino" when filling out educational or government forms, nor do they indicate that they are Latino on U.S. Census forms.  Gerard Depardieu, Al Pacino, Robert Deniro are not considered "Latino" actors.  They will never be recognized at any "Latino" film award ceremony.  Bill Richardson is considered by the press as the only Latino candidate for President, Rudy Giuliani isn't, see where I'm going?
French, Italian and Haitian rappers have never been nominated for a Latin Grammy or a Latin Billboard award, so this isn't just an issue of personal opinion.  Furthermore, you will never read about a Haitian or Italian rapper referring to himself as "Latino", feel free to provide links if you find something to counter this point.  DJ Muggs is Italian, as the producer for Cypress Hill he has never refered to himself as Latino.  If you do a search for "Latino Rapper" or "Latin Rap" on the web and visit the authority sites, none of them mention artists like Wyclef Jean, Tony Yayo, JoJo Pellegrino, etc.  Create an informal poll on one of these sites and ask Latinos if they consider Haitians and Italians to be Latino, or if rappers from france are considered "Latin rappers".  
So between what wikipedia considers "Latino", what the U.S. government considers "Latino", what Film and Music awards consider "Latin Music Artists", and what authority sites consider "Latino Rappers", the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that Haitian, French, Italian and Romanian rap artists are not considered "Latin Rappers".  The music award ceremonies alone should be a concrete example. 68.159.27.242 19:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin Rapper Criteria 

message: Many Hispanics at one time did not consider themselves to be Latino either. Hispanics do not have ownership of the term nor do they run the litmus test of who is and who isn't "Latino". The interchanged use of the term is not only inaccurate; it is also very regional and limited to certain countries within the Western Hemisphere. In actuality Castillian speakers (there is no such language as Spanish) are less Latino than Italians since the Latin language comes from what is today called Italy. 
In a worldwide community we have to be accurate and be progressive. To make references in hindsight limits you from providing accurate information. The Cubans that run the Latin Grammys nor the Mexican groups who adopted the term (and many times don't consider anyone of African decent to be Latino) do not set the criteria, especally when they are mis-using the term in the first place. 
Latinos were the citizens of the Roman Empire for more than 2000 years. You cannot just erase that history because some Castillan speakers in the United States stake a temporary claim to a label. My suggestion to you is to create a section for Hispanic or Spanish rap, but make sure not to include Brazilians because they do not speak "Spanish" either. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 146.95.69.203 (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive thinking 

message: from the american heritage dictionary:
Latin (lăt'n) 
n.
The Indo-European language of the ancient Latins and Romans and the most important cultural language of western Europe until the end of the 17th century.
The Latin language and literature from the end of the third century B.C. to the end of the second century A.D.
A member of a Latin people, especially a native or inhabitant of Latin America.
A Latino or Latina.
A native or resident of ancient Latium.
adj.
Of, relating to, or composed in Latin: a Latin scholar; Latin verse.
Of or relating to ancient Rome, its people, or its culture.
Of or relating to Latium, its people, or its culture.
Of or relating to the languages that developed from Latin, such as Italian, French, Spanish, and Portuguese, or to the peoples that speak them.
Of or relating to the peoples, countries, or cultures of Latin America.
Of or relating to Latinos or their culture.
Of or relating to the Roman Catholic Church.
From Columbia University Press:
Latin America
Latin America, the Spanish-speaking, Portuguese-speaking, and French-speaking countries (except Canada) of North America, South America, Central America, and the West Indies. The 20 republics are Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay, and Venezuela. The term Latin America is also used to include Puerto Rico, the French West Indies, and other islands of the West Indies where a Romance tongue is spoken. Occasionally the term is used to include Belize, Guyana, French Guiana, and Suriname.
Bibliography
See H. M. Bailey and A. P. Nasatir, Latin America: The Development of its Civilization (3d ed. 1973); J. K. Black, Latin America: Its Problems and Its Promise (1984); J. W. Hopkins, ed., Latin America: Perspectives on a Region (1987); B. Keen, A History of Latin America (1988); A. Gilbert, Latin America (1990); E. A. Cardoso and A. Helwege, Latin America's Economy: Diversity, Trends, and Conflicts (1992); J. A. Crow, The Epic of Latin America (1992); E. Williamson, The Penguin History of Latin America (1992).
Latin America (Portuguese/Spanish: América Latina) (French: Amérique Latine) 
is the region of the Americas where Romance languages — those derived from Latin, namely Spanish, Portuguese and French — are officially or primarily spoken. Latin America is distinct from Anglo-America, a region of the Americas where English is spoken.
Latin
The language of ancient Rome. When Rome became an empire, the language spread throughout southern and western Europe.
The modern Romance languages — French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, and a few others — are all derived from Latin.
During the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, Latin was the universal language of learning. Even in modern English, many scholarly, technical, and legal terms, such as per se and habeas corpus, retain their Latin form.
Definition
Latin America:'''
From a strict cultural and linguistic perspective, it would include all countries and territories in the Americas where Romance languages — Spanish, Portuguese, French, and their creoles — are spoken.
Geopolitically, Latin America is divided into 20 independent countries and several dependent territories. Spanish is predominant and an official language in most Latin American countries, with the exception of Brazil, where Portuguese prevails and Haiti, where Haitian Creole is the dominant language.
Etymology
Originally a political term, Amerique Latine was coined by French emperor Napoleon III, who cited Amerique Latine and Indochine as goals for expansion during his reign. While the term helped him stake a claim to those territories, it eventually came to embody those parts of 'the Americas that speak Romance languages initially brought by settlers from Spain, Portugal and France in the 15th and 16th centuries. An alternate etymology points to Michel Chevalier, who mentioned the term in 1836. [2]
Quebec, other French-speaking areas in Canada and the United States like Acadia, Louisiana, Saint-Pierre and Miquelon, and other places north of Mexico are traditionally excluded from the sociopolitical definition of Latin America, despite having significant populations that speak a Latin-derived language, due in part to these territories' not existing as sovereign states or being geographically separated from the rest of Latin America. French Guiana, however, is sometimes included, despite being a dependency of France and not an independent country.
As alluded to above, the term Ibero-America is sometimes used to refer to the nations that were formerly colonies of Spain and Portugal, as these two countries are located on the Iberian peninsula. The Organization of Ibero-American States (OEI) takes this definition a step further, by including Spain and Portugal (often termed the Mother Countries of Latin America) among its member states, in addition to their Spanish and Portuguese-speaking former colonies in America.
Language
Spanish is the predominant language in the majority of the countries. Portuguese is spoken primarily in Brazil, where it is both the official and the national language. French is also spoken in smaller countries, in the Caribbean, and in French Guiana. Dutch is the official language on various Caribbean islands and in Suriname on the continent; however, as Dutch is a Germanic language, these territories are generally not considered part of Latin America.
Several nations, especially in the Caribbean, have their own Creole languages such as Haiti in which their Creole is a mixture of French, and African tongues along with Spanish and Indian influences to a lesser extent. The Creole languages of Latin America derived from European languages and various African tongues. Native American languages are spoken in many Latin American nations, mainly Peru, Guatemala, Bolivia, Paraguay, and to a lesser degree in Mexico, Ecuador and Chile. Note that the lesser degree of indigenous speakers in Mexico is proportional to that country's population. In real numbers, however, Mexico harbors the largest population of indigenous speaker of any country in the Americas, surpassing Amerindian majority countries of Guatemala, Bolivia and the Amerindian plurality country of Peru. The population of speakers of indigenous languages in other countries is tiny or non-existent.
In Peru, Quechua holds official language status, alongside Spanish and any other indigenous language in the areas where they predominate. In Bolivia, Aymara, Quechua and Guaraní hold official status alongside Spanish. Guarani is, along with Spanish, the official language of Paraguay, and is spoken by a majority of the population who are for the most part mestizos bilingual in Spanish. In Ecuador, while holding no official status, Quichua is a recognized language of the indigenous people under the country's constitution, however, it is only spoken by a few groups in the Sierra region of the country. Colombia, while having fewer than 1% of its population as speakers of indigenous languages, recognizes all indigenous languages spoken within its territory as official. Nahuatl is only one of the 62 native languages spoken by indigenous people in Mexico, which are officially recognized by the government as "national languages", along with Spanish.
European languages, other than Spanish and Portuguese, that are spoken include; 'Italian in Brazil', Argentina, Uruguay and to a lesser extent Venezuela; German in southern Brazil, Argentina, and two German-speaking villages, one in southern Chile and another in northern Venezuela; Welsh in southern Argentina.
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Here is a couple of articles where this matter is discussed. 
Political Scientist Specializes 
In Latino Politics, Public Opinion
By Tom Krazit
Growing up in El Paso, Texas, Adrian Pantoja lived the realities of border politics and immigration policies that are now a part of his class work at UConn. The Rio Grande was a place to fish, or cross on a regular basis to visit family and friends in Cuidad Juarez on the Mexican side.
"Diversity in the Northeast lends itself to a greater discussion about what it means to be a Latino," Pantoja says. For example: "Are Haitians Latinos? They share the same island as the Dominican Republic. Some would argue no, they don't speak Spanish, and have a different historical influence. And I would argue that if it's just a matter of language or culture, would we say that Brazilians are not Latinos? These are issues that we wouldn't be speaking about in the West."
http://advance.uconn.edu/2004/040223/04022308.htm
October 16, 2006
Why aren't Haitians Latin?
John Fay at Irish Eagle mentions a letter to the editor of the Miami Herald which pointed out that Portuguese-speaking nations such as Brazilians, for example, weren't "Hispanic". In the course of noting that this was the reason for popular use of the more inclusive term "Latino", it occurred to me that while it would be reasonable to infer that the latter term embraces speakers of all Latin tongues, in practice, it refers exclusively to speakers of Spanish and Portuguese.
The island of Hispaniola contains two countries: Haiti and The Dominican Republic, the former Francophone, the latter Spanish-speaking. So far as I can tell Dominicans are, like their fellow Caribbeans from Cuba, considered to be Latinos, while those from the western half of the island, like other French-speaking Caribbeans, aren't.
Posted by: Frank McGahon | October 16, 2006 at 04:54 PM
I have a book called A History of Latin America by George Pendle (Pelican, 1980s) which claims: "In general usage...'Latin America' means the twenty independent republics which arose in the territories in this area [i.e. the Americas south of the US] that once belonged to the Spanish and Portuguese empires, and the old French colony of Haiti."
Below is a discussion from Yahoo that I just found.
Why arent Haitians considered Latino?
If Brazilians are considered Latino because they speak a Latin derived language, the shouldn't Haitians be considered Latin by those same standards? What is the difference between a black person from the Dominican Republic who speaks Spanish and a black man from Haiti who speaks French? They both speak a Latin derived language and have a Latin based culture. So why is there a difference between them in the US? If we're going to be LOGICAL about this and call people Latino, then we should include ALL of the Latin derived speaking countries as such. 
The term Latin America was coined by Napolean. He wanted his rule to extend to Latin America because it was ruled by Latin Empires: French, Spanish and Portugese. 
Americans get your ethnic labels right!
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1 week ago
Uh...Jethro you should look up the LATIN UNION...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/latin_union...
http://www.unilat.org/sg/index.es.asp...
An official organization leading to unite all Latin peoples who have a united Latin culture.
1 week ago
Mariah Jai are you on crack? The French are a Latin Culture. They speak French and are from the Latin derived culture of the Romans. They are like the Italians and the Spanish. So a Dominican who speaks Spanish is Latino, just like a Haitian who speaks French is Latino too.
What is wrong with many of you who think otherwise when even the French think of themselves as Latin and thier colonies are considered Latin colonies. Does anyone else have any sources, data or articles that can contradict what I put up?
::Unfortunately, nothing that you have stated changes the fact that popular acceptance of what a Latino is, or a Latin rapper is doesn't include Italians, Haitians or the French.  I'm not sure why you found it relevant to refer to the Latin Grammy as being "Cuban-run", but the fact of the matter is that the two most significant Latin music award shows in the U.S. do not recognize Italian, Haitian, French, Romanian performers and producers as "Latin" music artists.  Its also odd that Afro Latinos like Celia Cruz have performed at these shows, but you state that the people behind the events don't accept Blacks as Latinos.  If you believe that they are improperly using the term "Latin" or excluding their fellow "Latinos from Romania" as nominees, you seem to be in the minority as no one has publicly criticized the Latin Grammys or the Latin Billboard Awards.  Again, you can't dismiss Wikipedia's own definition of what a Latino is, what every U.S. dictionary defines a Latino as, what the U.S. government defines a Latino as, and what every Latin music award show uses as their criteria.  If you disagree with the fact that Haitians, Romanians, Frenchmen and Italians are not allowed to check off "Latino" on government documentation, you need to take that up with the U.S. government and not use personal point of view as evidence.  I'm not creating a separate article because their are Latino artists that happen to rap in English rather than Spanish.  You also state that "Spanish" as a language doesn't exist, which again doesn't seem quite relevant to why you are editing the page.  The bottom line: you are basing your changes on a personal opinion that very few people, if anyone, would seem to share.  Any admin would have to base their decision over whether or not a change is acceptable on evidence, so far I've been the one providing this evidence of how "Latino" or "Latin Rapper" is commonly used as.  We can't base the entire article on one person's interpretation of history or what they feel is accurate or inaccurate, show me a variety of sites or books that explain why Romanian and French rappers are Latino Rappers and I will be more than happy to let you edit the article. 68.159.27.242 23:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since you just added a new section, I'll respond to that as well.  Residents of Haiti are not Latino because of Proxy, just like Guyana and Suriname generally aren't considered Latin American countries even though they are in South America.  The majority of what you have posted comes from Yahoo message boards, its overrun with POV statements.  If you wanted to use a forum as evidence, I'll gladly create a poll on a Latin Rap site like Brownpride.com and ask how many Latinos there consider Haitians to be Latino, I already know the results will be.  You can't consider Haitians to be Latino by virtue of proxy, the only reason why Haiti is questionably a Latin American country is because is shares an island with the Dominican Republic (yet is culturally different and does not Spanish speak, just like Guyana).  Aside from the fact that Haitians are not considered to be Latino, the article is about Latin Rap, and artists that are commonly understood to be Latin Rappers.  If you believe that Haitian rappers are Latin Rappers, why can you not demonstrate that they have been referred to as this or even refer to themselves as "Latin Rappers" or "Latino Rappers"?  Pastor Troy, Wyclef, Tony Yayo have never been called Latin Rappers and have never called themselves Latin Rappers.  Can you find any of these artists on a Latin Rap site? Any Romanian artist?  Are the people who listen to Latin Rappers all wrong? 68.159.27.242 23:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have no idea of what my background is, what my involvement in the Hip Hop movement has been or how many articles I've written for Hip Hop magazines.  And I don't need to elaborate on why I'm an expert on Hip Hop and Latin Rap, because its not relevant to this discussion.  You were disproved, now you've regressed to wild assumptions and personal attacks.  It doesn't matter if I'm a Black Puerto Rican from Bed Stuy or a Korean guy living in Seoul, Wikipedia articles are based on the facts that contributors can present, not personal opinion or anecdotes about how Rakim gave you a pound at some bodega back in '89.  So keep making laughable assumptions if it makes you feel better, I've presented the facts and that's what any wikipedia admin will recognize first. 74.230.204.50 02:46, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not bizarre, just not narrow 

message: The general rule of thumb is that if an artist is not notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia, then they shouldn't be included in a list of notable artists. Many of the artists who are being re-added to the list have had articles deleted from Wikipedia due to lack of notability. If you feel the artist is notable, write up a stub—if it's not deleted, then certainly they should be included in the list. Artists without their own Wikipedia article will be removed from the list. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 00:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable artists 

message: Proposed merge of Mexican hip hop into Latin hip hop. The Mexican hip hop article is only a few words long and could easily be merged into Latin hip hop. Luksuh (talk) 04:34, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

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message: Hi all. I just saw that Latin hip hop and Latino hip hop were separate articles, but they seem to cover essentially the same topic. I think a merger would solve this WP:OVERLAP. In my experience, "Latin hip hop" is the predominantly used term (and the more actively edited article), so I'm proposing this article as the destination of the merge. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:03, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't seem to be any opposition to this proposal, so I'm going to go ahead with this merge in the next day or two. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 04:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal (2022)

message: — Assignment last updated by Selenophile05 (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: HipHop Music Culture

message: Hip hop in Uruguay has had an interesting evolution from its beginnings to the present, with a growing number of emerging artists and groups. The influence of the early pioneers of the genre, such as Jazzy Mel, paved the way for the creation of new groups and styles.
As the genre developed in Uruguay, several notable groups emerged, including Sudacas en Guerra, Oeste Pro Funk, Plátano Macho, El Peyote Asesino, and Magia Negra Squad, among others. The Bizarro Records record label was instrumental in the development of the genre in the country, and groups such as Beat Urbano and Arrajatabla Flow Club & The Warriors gained popularity in the market.
In the last decade, hip hop in Uruguay has continued to evolve and become more diverse. Fusing rap and hip hop with new metal, the band Primate has built a following across the country, winning the "Pepsi Bandplugged" Contest in 2012.
Despite the challenges and violence some hip hop artists have faced in Uruguay, hip hop culture remains strong in the country and has inspired many young people to keep going. 2800:A4:3317:BC00:F839:6EB1:46FE:C747 (talk) 11:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  uruguayan hip hop