Talk:Flags of New Caledonia

message: You reverted with an edit summary: "Please cite that in the article".  However, as I explained in my edit summary "It's linked in the second sentence".  In fact, the article is cited 6 times in the article, with a explanation of the situation.  WP:INFOBOXREF says refs don't need to be repeated in infoboxs, so I'm not quite sure what else it is you want.  Could you either self-revert or explain what additional locations you want me to add this ref?  TDL (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That was a mistake on my part, sorry. Weegeerunner (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Second official flag

message: The flag of FLNKS, an extreme left-wing party, which is not the Kanak flag at all, is by no means the flag of New Caledonia : its raising is not provided for by any text with legal value. To present it in this way alongside the French flag is therefore a violation of the principle of neutrality. I therefore call for the removal of this flag, the only one that is official in New Caledonia being that of the Republic. It is not acceptable for the flag of party which has committed armed attacks to represent New Caledonia on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Géographe96 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The number of times you've copied and pasted that exact paragraph probably constitutes spamming at this point. You've pasted it on edit summaries at New Caledonia, on the talk page of Talk:New Caledonia, on the edit warring noticeboard (which ultimately resulted in you being blocked for 31 hours), in edit summaries on this article, and now on edit summaries at this talk page. I already replied to you at Talk:New Caledonia, and then you deleted my reply for some reason. Please kindly cease; this is not constructive. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 20:05, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Géographe96 was a sockpuppet and has been blocked indefinitely. I've struck out their comment. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 06:18, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  The only official flag is that of France. 

message: * View proposal
* One article for both flags, but content primarily focusing on the Kanak flag
* The infobox displays the two flags using the image1 and image2 parameters
==== Support ====
==== Oppose ====
*Oppose: The page currently used has led many readers and users to wrongly believe the Kanak flag is solely the New Caledonia flag, as could be seen with its flag being the one appearing for the mini  template, it being used on various templates like the NC elections one, the kanak flag solely used on the recent referendum page, etc. It's not only wrongly portraying the reality on the islands but, worse, it's doing so on a very controversial matter for its communities whose recent history has been marked by unrest and blood. I believe necessary for Wikipedia to portray the flag situation by sticking to what's currently going on, in a neutral way, even if the result halas clearly look bad on a vexillologist point of view. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 23:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal A - Pre-discussion version 

message: *Oppose: The page currently used has led many readers and users to wrongly believe the Kanak flag is solely the New Caledonia flag, as could be seen with its flag being the one appearing for the mini  template, it being used on various templates like the NC elections one, the kanak flag solely used on the recent referendum page, etc. It's not only wrongly portraying the reality on the islands but, worse, it's doing so on a very controversial matter for its communities whose recent history has been marked by unrest and blood. I believe necessary for Wikipedia to portray the flag situation by sticking to what's currently going on, in a neutral way, even if the result halas clearly look bad on a vexillologist point of view. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 23:53, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

message: * View proposal
* Article emphasizes the equality of the French and Kanak flags. While both the French and Kanak flags are in the infobox, the image1 parameter shows the two together.
* Plural title "Flags of New Caledonia"
==== Support ====
*Support: based on reading the proposed versions, it seems that the legal government of New Caledonia passed a measure in favor of flying the flags side by side, and that this practice is now adopted by a majority of the communes in New Caledonia. The fact that this is controversial, and that the flag also used to be associated with a separatist group, seems irrelevant to the question of whether or not the Kanak flag is currently an official flag of new Caledonia (although of course this should be addressed in both the lead and the body of the article). I don't know about the added qualification that the article should emphasize the equality of the flags–the article's content should be driven by coverage in RS and I think it's outside the scope of this RFC to mandate that the flags should be treated equally within the article body. However, in my opinion, existing coverage demonstrates that both flags should be addressed together as the flag of New Caledonia. signed, Rosguill talk 19:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal B - One article, two flags 

message: *Support: based on reading the proposed versions, it seems that the legal government of New Caledonia passed a measure in favor of flying the flags side by side, and that this practice is now adopted by a majority of the communes in New Caledonia. The fact that this is controversial, and that the flag also used to be associated with a separatist group, seems irrelevant to the question of whether or not the Kanak flag is currently an official flag of new Caledonia (although of course this should be addressed in both the lead and the body of the article). I don't know about the added qualification that the article should emphasize the equality of the flags–the article's content should be driven by coverage in RS and I think it's outside the scope of this RFC to mandate that the flags should be treated equally within the article body. However, in my opinion, existing coverage demonstrates that both flags should be addressed together as the flag of New Caledonia. signed, Rosguill talk 19:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: * Support I personally believe this would be the most beneficial proposal because it is aimed at focusing the content on the banner itself. Areat and I are in agreement that it would've been nicer if the Congress of New Caledonia solved the problem by making one flag for the two communities (as they noted at the template talk), but unfortunately we are in a situation where there are two separate flags, and as a result we've seen a lot of controversy surrounding how we can present them in one article. I believe that we can avoid this entirely. Because there is no one New Caledonian flag, but rather one French and one Kanak flag, I believe that one article about each flag will help prevent the excessive amount of edit warring and vandalism we've seen. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 23:21, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support 

message: *Oppose: I do believe this solution would be better than the current "Pre-discussion version". The problem is, none of the pages would be fitting places for the paragraphs about the provincial flags, nor for the propositions for this new neo caledonian flag meant to be made to unite all communities, nor for the various flags used in sports over the years. It would eventually mean we would have to create another third page. Better to go with the option B, in my opinion. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oppose 

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: The discussion above is closed.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.</div>
:: So, when should we apply the changes? Can I right now? Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 06:40, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was no answer after all this time and a vote in favor of two flag, one page, I made the changes. Cordially.--Aréat (talk) 18:43, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments