Talk:Fear of children

message: STRONG KEEP
No Reasons are provided for Deletion. This is a valid article on a irrational fear. I am removing the Deletion Tags
Theowannabe 01:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please never do this again. This is against wikipedia rules; see WP:AFD. `'mikka 03:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: And poorly referenced.  This article needs work.
"As mentioned above, social service, human rights, and social justice organizations have been tackling the fear of children for dozens of years" WTF? Where is the reference? I don't believe any of these types organizations primarily see themselves as tackling "pedophobia" at all.
Where is the description (and refs.) to do with obsessive parenting and overprotection? Of the terror of pedophilia? Pedophobia relates to a fear of all things concerning childhood, including a terror of childhood sexuality.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.131.102.6 (talk) 15:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Poorly written

message: Does anyone see a dichotomy here? If "homo" is used to mean homosexual, (and it's only meant "man" in strictly scientific language) and "pedo" is used to mean pedophile, then why doesn't pedophobia mean the fear of pedophiles or pedophilia, wheras homophobia is the fear of homosexuals and homosexuality?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.33.87 (talk) 02:44, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pedophobia: fear of pedophiles? (as in homophobia: fear of homosexuals)

message: A pedophobia is a fear of feet; hence why pedestrian and pedophobia have the same root. If I recall correctly, peda comes from the greek word paidi, which means child. This is why the term pediatrician cites its roots while this article gives no mention of it. This article should use the term pediaphobia, as it describes a fear of children and not a fear of feet. I propose that this article be renamed to pedaphobia, that the new pedaphobia article states that pedofile has been popularly misstated in place of pedafile and that a pedophobia article be made stating that pedophobia is a fear of feet and not children, despite the widespread misusage of the term's foot that I am told started in the 1970s with the term pedofile being used in place of pedafile. Shining Arcanine 02:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a compelling statement, and I thoroughly understand - and agree with - what you've written. However, it is not within the jurisdiction of Wikipedia to change the vernacular. As the citations in the article detail, the term pedophobia is what is in common usage, supported through an established cannon. I urge you to find sources that support your assertion, and then make adjustments accordingly. However, in the interest of maintaining encyclopedic scrutiny, I will contest any unsupported statements or radical departures from the current content. - Freechild 16:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "correctest" term would probably be paedophobia as paedophilia; however, as the segment ae is often replaced in American English with e, pedophobia should be acceptable in regions where American English spellings are preferred. I have also seen pediophobia (which also means "fear of dolls" ) used and even paediphobia. All that said, however, the most commonly used word seems to be paedophobia/pedophobia and I've still yet to see pediaphobia used. D4g0thur 10:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pedophobia or pedaphobia?

message: Would this article be better titled "Fear of children", similar to Fear of childbirth, for which the Greek word is "Tokophobia"? Would it be better situated than using either pedo- or pedaphoia? - Freechild 22:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pedophobia or "Fear of children?"

message: I'm not sure what this would be called; not a fear of children as much as a feeling of disenfranchisement for adults in favor of a preference for children.  Examples include the seeming ad nauseum amount of non-profit organizations who fund specific child-related causes, children's cancer, children's burns, children with autism.  The idea is that on one's eighteenth birthday, there is a sharp decrease in social concern for your wellbeing.  Other potential examples include cultural aversion to abortion but not to capital punishment, or a much stronger aversion to the murder or abuse of a child than to that of an adult.  Popular culture has made some commentary on this subject, see George Carlin's "Fuck the Children" routine for an example.  I'm asking for more examples of this as an established school of thought, a name for the idea, etc. Malenkylizards 19:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article on Ageism includes the following definition for jeunism: The tendency to prefer young people over older people. However, there is little written on that topic, in spite of Mr. Carlin's rant. That article would be better situated for your argument than this one. For other articles related to this topic, I would suggest you see Youth. - Freechild 21:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Opposing school of thought?

message: I moved this article from its previous location because of an ongoing conversation on its talk page regarding the disagreement scholars have over what the title of the fear is, and paying attention to Wikipedia:Plain English. - Freechild 06:22, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks to User:Rory096 for teaching me about the "move" tab above after I did this. Sorry to have created more work! - Freechild 06:33, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Should the title be "phobia of children"? --Yejianfei (talk) 02:37, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Movement from [[Pedophobia]]

message: I changed the part about "R. Kelly's pedophilia" to "R. Kelly's ephebophilia".  Pedophilia is a sexual attraction towards prepubescent children, ephebophilia is a sexual attraction towards adolescents.  While the general public tends to confuse the two, considering that here at Wikipedia we have an article about ephebophilia and wish to publish accurate and unbiased information, things like that need to be corrected. Aoa8212 (talk) 12:44, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ephebophilia not pedophilia 

message: Fear of children and Pediophobia are about the same thing.  They should be merged. Zodon (talk) 06:35, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say "about the same thing"  do you mean that they address the same topic, or that they are approximately equivalent?  Either way, it seems like pediophobia is more about the dolls (and robots?) than about live children.  The two topics seem related but different, and I personally would not merge them. 75.170.62.150 (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

text: I removed the merger proposal since it is almost two months old and the only feedback is in opposition. • Freechild'sup? 16:23, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge Pediophobia 

message: I also wonder if the name of the article might be better as "Pedophobia"? It used to be called this at one time. Herostratus (talk)
: See  below for another option. Biogeographist (talk) 18:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Move?

message: The current lede is 
"Fear of children, fear of infants or fear of childhood is alternatively called pedophobia (American English), paedophobia or pediaphobia. Other age-focused fears are ephebiphobia and gerontophobia. Recognised outcomes of pedophobia include paternalism, adultism, and by extension, ageism."
I'm thinking that something like this might be better:
"Pedophobia (also paedophobia or pediaphobia) is term used to describe two distinct conditions:
1) A personal medical condition, an unreasonable fear of children.
2) An personal or social perspective encompassing a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward youths (which can include teens and young adults as well as children)."
Then essentially two sections, "Medical" and "Social", or something like that. (The stuff about ephebiphobia and gerontophobia and paternalism, adultism, and ageism can go in the body of the article, doesn't need to be in the lede). (I dunno about "ephebiphobia" being a separate term. It is if people use it. Our first ref tho is "Fear of teenagers is growing in Britain, study warns".... "it appears that an aversion to young people, or "paedophobia" so here a least the person is using "paedophobia" to mean fear/aversion to teens, and if that's how the term is used.... we'll see when we vet the refs. Herostratus (talk) 08:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Lede, sections

message: OK I rewrote the article. I removed the entire section about voluntary childlessness, because that has little to do with the subject -- at least as written, although its sensible that pedophobes would not want to have children... if someone wants to rebuilt the section on that basis from scratch, fine. The section was also tagged as original research.
Other than that I didn't make major removals. I did move stuff around, mostly to facilitate the separation of the psychiatric from the social. I also rewrote stuff. And I added a short paragraph.
It's unfortunate that the same word is used for two entirely different phenomena, and I think the social-phenomenon use is usually sloppy and polemical. It is true that "-phobia" is used for a lot of non-psychiatric phenomena (Anglophobia, etc.) but not when there's a psychiatric condition with the same name.
It'd be unfortunate if "fear of flying" was to describe both 1) personal fear of flying in an airplane, and 2) opposition to air travel in general, for some reason (it over-homogenizes the world or whatever) as a political belief. And I haven't seen this, except for this word "pedophobia". Which is unfortunate. It's doubly unfortunate because a lot of times it's referring to people who are like 16, when "child" most commonly refers to pre-pubescent kids. But, it is what it is.
Altho, a lot of the social phenomenon stuff is a pile of pig lips, to some degree. Some of the refs are pretty fringe, and most of the others are academic papers written by people with a political ax to grind. Whatever. But I mean we have this article, we have the article Adultism, we have the article Adultcentrism, and we have the article Ephebiphobia and so on. A fair amount of this stuff is from people who are kind of polemicists, but oh well... that doesn't make it automatically unacceptable. But we could possible merge these four articles in some useful way. Because they more or less say the same thing in four different places, and probably in four different ways, and it'd be better to have it all together. 
The words "fear of children" and "pedophobia" should possibly be made into disamg pages, and this article split. That's be fine is someone wants to do it. But I'd rather see a larger effort to merge stuff and see where that goes.
BTW I haven't been able to find evidence that pedophobia is in the DSM, but I probably don't really know where to look. Herostratus (talk) 05:24, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major rewrite 

message: Have any reliable sources drawn a connection between fear of children and fear of overreach by parents, mandated reporters, and activists misinterpreting a situation? Damian Yerrick (talk) 17:27, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fear of witch hunts