Talk:Andrew Saul

message: Couldn't believe this was previously speedied. Its said that some people are trigger happy, instead of google-happy (improving this stub took all of ten minutes).  MrPrada 00:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous speedied version was not about this person, but about a high school student with the same name.  I am the person who speedied the article about high-school Andrew Saul... would you consider withdrawing your characterization of me as "trigger happy?"  -FisherQueen (Talk) 00:23, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: older entries

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
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Nice work very nice. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 20:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: As I do not want to overburden the FAC page, which is primarily for assessing FA criteria rather than specific article content, I add these comments separately here. 
The first thing that stood out for me was the word-for-word duplication between the section "Thrift savings plan" and its subsection "TSP funds" with the article Thrift Savings Plan. Saul is not mentioned until the 6th paragraph in the TSP section and not at all in the subsection. A biography needs to emphasize the person, not emphasize peripheral items involving the person. For example, I do not need to know, and should not know all the details of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act in the biographies of Paul Sarbanes and Michael Oxley. I won't go so far to say there is a coatrack, but I won't be surprised if someone else says so. 
If Saul himself (not just the organization) had a large role in shaping the current TSP and other Federal Thrift Retirement Investment Board actions, that needs to be clarified, summarized, and stated concisely. The rest needs to be trimmed or placed elsewhere; Thrift Savings Plan and other related articles could benefit from the additional citations. In other words, Saul should be present in the entire article, not only through representations of the board or the organizations he presided over. TLK'in 05:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TSP 

message: This article is in eleven WikiProjects. I have never seen an article included in so many subject areas. A pretty prominent Republican named Abraham Lincoln is only in six. What's more, where an "importance" rating is given, Andrew Saul is listed as "High" importance in most cases. If you look at the relevant category, it quickly becomes apparent that Andrew Saul is simply not as "important" as the other subjects he is rated with.
Until a few moments ago, Andrew Saul was rated as "Top importance" for New York City Public Transportation; I changed it to "Low importance." Click here for a list of the other Top-importance NYCPT articles. Can the nominating FA editor have possibly looked at the contents of these categories before putting Andrew Saul in them?
I bring this up because if the principal contributor is so blatantly mis-classifying the subject in relation to other articles to which it's related, it makes one wonder what other kinds of subtle POV bias might be buried in the article, that only someone familiar with Andrew Saul could know. Marc Shepherd 13:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article quality and importance ratings

message: My vacation ended yesterday so I don't have significant time this evening to delve into what was kept, and what wasn't. I sortof expected a lot of the TSP section to get chopped, which I noted in the FA nom.
I would like to inquire:
*The section on REITs—I believe this section for the most part discussed Saul's actions as opposed to the board in general, or the plan itself. Not quite sure how the part on policy loan restrictions stayed, and this was chopped. Is someone going to rewrite this? If not, I'd just like to hear the logic behind removing it. Probably the only section I was really suprised to see go.
*The section on L-funds—Also probably worth mentioning, since he seems to have had a great deal of personal involvement with them(I spent two nights reading FRTIB minutes and Senate hearings, which were not fun), although I suppose a good deal of it could end up in the TSP Board article.
*The section on the TSP volatility in 2007—This issue is what spurred me to write the article in the first place. It was only three sentences long, sourced, and in some ways relevant to the subject biography, although again I could understand why this would be included in the TSP article. 
*The mention of the lawsuit by Roger Mehle and the mishandled computer project for a new record-keeping system were kept, but the description of the incident was gone. The prose may have been less clear then I had hoped, but I think it needs to be described more thoroughly then what is there now, because this was the largest controversy that Saul has been involved in so far.
*The descriptions of the various funds—There was probably the weakest case of all for keeping this, however the article still goes on to describe the various C-funds, I-funds, L-funds, etc., without really giving the reader any description of what they are. I know its just a click away over at the TSP article, but I felt including them would help the reader. They are not misled by the short overview on the TSP funds.
I'm glad that the COI tag is gone, I'm still a bit confused as to the tenditious editing statement, I have not reverted any edits to this article except when someone (possibly a Saul campaign staffer) created a single-purpose account to chop out anything negative a few weeks ago. I can see how the statement that the TSP is considered immune from the problems of munies would have a difficult time reaching consensus, although I would like to point out that it came from a primary source(Stephen Barr, Washington Post, who is obviously the subject-matter expert) and a U.S. Senator. 
As the FA-discussion continues I don't plan to insert anything until it's been discussed here, although I will try and go back to get those citations back that are now missing at the bottom. I'm glad the article is finally getting attention from some other experienced editors. MrPrada 03:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those weren't easy edits to make. I see now that Tinlinkin has followed up with further edits, mostly cuts. The problem is that the lack of neutrality in the original version seemed pretty blatant. It becomes difficult to distinguish what Saul did from what the agency did with Saul as its nominal spokesman. I do think a lot of that material probably belongs in the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board article, or the Thrift Savings Plan. Even in its cut-down form, the FRTIB section reads more like a diary of what happened at the agency, without really illuminating what Saul did. Marc Shepherd 16:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marc's edits 

message: In its current state, this article mentions Saul's Congressional candidacy in the introductory section.  It then has a long section just about the race, full of glowing tributes to the "credibility" of Hall's candidacy, along with a lot of campaign minutiae.  At the end of the section comes a one-sentence mention that Saul isn't running.
The section has some information about his other political involvements, such as his fundraising for Bush.  Most of it is about the hypothetical campaign, however, and most of it should therefore be deleted (and the section renamed).  I'll attempt an edit along those lines. JamesMLane t c 21:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a crack at it. Marc Shepherd (talk) 23:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You pruned an awful lot of garbage, and I largely agree.  I think, however, that the political stuff unrelated to the campaign should stay in.  Also, the campaign was a major endeavor of his and put him very much in the public eye for six months, so I think at least a little bit more information about it should be preserved.  I've put all that in a "Political involvement" section. JamesMLane t c 00:26, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem...you've improved it considerably. Now, if only someone would do the same with all of the "puff piece" material that precedes it.... Marc Shepherd (talk) 15:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you.  The article is still much too fawning.  Also, just as a stylistic matter, the introductory section is far too long. JamesMLane t c 15:58, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Withdrawal from Congressional race 

message: In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of 
December 4, 
2007, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR. Ruslik 09:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps (delisted)

message: This article has been nominated for Version 0.7 of the offline Wikipedia release but did not meet the standards for importance. It has been put on Wikipedia:Release_Version_Nominations/Held_nominations for further review. Please see that page for details.
This is not too far away, but the topic is not quite important enough to warrant inclusion in our selection, which is limited to the top 1% or so articles on Wikipedia. If the article makes FA status (not out of the question, with a bit of work), that would probably push it far enough to be included. Walkerma (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: Fellow Wikipedians these White House Staff pages are geting out of hand. I think we should include all the Acting people as the predecessor and successor on every page like Andrew Saul, Mike Pompeo, William Barr, Edward H. Levi, Alberto Gonzales, Michael J. Astrue,  Former rep Nan Hayworth does not have the job she is in right now Member of the President's Council on Sports, Fitness, and Nutrition. a lot of gray jobs on the Political appointments by Donald Trump page thats all need to be moved over to the List of Trump administration dismissals and resignations and most of all. All the pictures from the Political appointments by Donald Trump's talk page need to be uploaded to Wikipedia.96.36.68.29 (talk) 05:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some pages are getting out of hand 

message: I would like to address the issue of it taking almost 6 months so far to obtain the stuff that I need to get an ID from Social Security Administration I have tried to follow everything that his online for us to do the state that we live in Arizona requires that you come in person to be able to obtain a social security card replacement. And all the offices are closed to the public but according to website and other places it officers are supposed to be open for emergency services or by appointment for an emergency service which no matter what I have tried I have never been offered an appointment for emergency services at this office I have left this go with the action that it is and it has put my family in great Jeopardy it is costing me an extremely large amount of money in my books oh and large amount of money not all people would think what I am saying or what I am bringing an issue up on is an issue to be heard or seen but I believe that there is more than enough for my issue to be raised and I need immediate action of some sort to be able to obtain my identification from DMV in Arizona and cannot obtain a card from the Social Security Administration me and my family lost everything we had over six months ago in a fire and when I said everything I mean everything IDs wallets phones everything animals we lost every last thing we had on top of that with not having this card to be able to obtain identification for myself and my wife we have also been robbed numerous times from law enforcement as well as other in the community with no way to react or take care of this because I do not have an identification card or an ID of any type because of no social security card to obtain it so I would like to know how it is that the Social Security Administration thinks they should handle this particular situation I would appreciate a reply as soon as possible if not sooner thank you and I hope this reaches the right people for this issue to be addressed it is putting a lot of people in a coma situation in an even worse situation with law enforcement and all not being able to obtain proper paperwork to you and be able to walk around in the General Public so once again I press on saying somebody please do something let me know what is going to be done and let's keep this as public as possible so others can see what is being done and what they can possibly do themselves you can contact me back at my email s t u s h e r i d a n at gmail.com I'll be more than happy to assist whoever I can at all thank you I'll see you later Usaman1966 (talk) 16:56, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Comments on this page should be about the article. My suggestion for those having issues with the government or an entity of the government would be to follow whatever grievance procedure that department has, and if not successful, take that documentation to the office of a Congress-member from your state and try to get it resolved that way. Meanwhile, the concern you have doesn't really belong on a Wikipedia talk page. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  08:09, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time it takes to get suff done with ssa today need loday