Talk:Shinn Asuka

message: I think Shinn is tragic hero I mean I know he didn't die but his ending was somewhat tragic, besides you think I guy like him who lost his entire family and be emotionally scarred buy war would have a better ending than another tragedy.
I agree with you I think Shinn is tragic hero because possese a naive and trusting personality as well as his anger which are his qualitys of tragic hero such as his belief in the Chairman and Rey and their manpulation of forcing him to through away his gentle nature and his habit of acting on his emotions and anger rather than his personally judgement, so know doubt from begging to end he possed those types of qualitys, I do hope however if there is another Gundam SEED series we well see a better fate for Shinn than that of a Tragic Hero.
:Please sign your posts 206.248.248.221, Tylerwade123.  Also, please read the definition of Tragic Hero , Shinn does not meet it.  While Shinn's beginning is a tragedy, how can his ending possible considered a tragic ending?  Shinn gets the girl and all the people he thought he'd killed while being manipulated survive and the man that decieved him is destroyed and his homeland is not destroyed. The qualities you list - naive, trusting, angry, acting on emotion - are not specific to tragic heroes.  Oedipus is neither niave nor trusting, he is not manipulated by others - he ends up blind and insane, with his wife dead by her own hand.  Take a look at the other classic example of tragic heros and you will see Shinn's ending is not tragic and he does not meet the definition. Edward321 (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tragic Hero 

message: It is stated: Shinn's shift from hero to anti-hero over the course of the series was purportedly influenced by the fact that his seiyuu, Kenichi Suzumura, somehow offended scriptwriter Chiaki Morosawa early in production, causing her to intentionally make his character less likeable. 
Is that statement correct? I never found source stated these. Draconins 09:01, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Statement about Shinn's shift 

message: I've realized that a good deal of characters from Gundam Seed are listed under "fictional psychopaths". Would that many characters actually be apperopriate for that category? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.162.73 (talk • contribs) 
:Well, it really depends on the character. If you feel the need, go to the pages, read the content and remove—if necessary—accordingly per the actual defintion of the word. I'm not sure, but I think Shinn is arguably a psychopath. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The categories are another massively POV attempt by people who dislike the character to skew this article. Shinn never "turned evil", as the director himself has explicitly stated, and he can't be considered a "psychopath" or "mass murderer" by any remotely rational standard. If Shinn qualifies as those things, then so does every soldier who ever lived. 71.203.209.0 05:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I honestly wouldn't know, but I'll make some changes per these concerns. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. Already removed. Hmm. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 05:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fictional psychopaths category 

message: *The name Shinn Asuka is a reference to the Asuka period in Japan's history, just as Kira Yamato was a reference to the Yamato period which immediately preceded it.
*The names of the anti-ship swords of Shinn's two mobile suits may reflect Shinn's status in the series. The Sword Impulse's weapon, deemed "Excalibur" (King Arthur's sword), reflected him as a hero. The Destiny's weapon, deemed "Arondight" (Sir Lancelot's sword), showed him falling into an anti-hero classification, as Lancelot in Arthurian lore was once a hero that became an enemy.
Does anyone have any sources to show that these similarities aren't original research, and are indeed intended by the creators? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or servant or pencil lead or temple or candle wick or sleep or...  Edward321 (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Shinn is no more of an anti-hero than Amuro Ray or Kamille Bidan Edward321 (talk) 15:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Unless you can find a sourced citation from someone involved in cration of the series, that is just unsourced opnion and has no place on Wikipedia.  Please read the guidelines on reliable sources. Edward321 (talk) 05:16, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced 

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