Talk:2002 Atlantic hurricane season

message: I am trying to get an image for each storm, like 2005. I have started uploading ones that aren't on Wikipedia yet, and they are listed below. If you find a better image, feel free to replace it.
*Tropical Storm Arthur
*Tropical Storm Bertha
*Tropical Storm Cristobal
*Tropical Storm Dolly- Another image is found here, you decide which is better (I vote 2, but found that afterwards)
*Tropical Storm Edouard
*Tropical Storm Fay
*Hurricane Gustav
*Tropical Storm Hanna
*Tropical Storm Josephine- Can you find a better image? 
*Hurricane Kyle
Does anyone have any good images of Bertha or Hanna? Hurricanehink 01:09, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget that, every storm is done. Hurricanehink 14:03, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgot Josephine. Got that too. Hurricanehink 02:32, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks good. Nice job! -- RattleMan 01:47, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Hurricanehink 03:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image for each storm 

message: What about TDs? There was 7 and 14. Don't they deserve a mention? Icelandic Hurricane #12 21:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: TDs

message: Is there a need for that? It adds a lot of more white space, and doesn't add much. People aren't that lazy that they can't read one paragraph for information. If the information in the infobox doesn't exist, then it should be put into the paragraph. Hurricanehink 22:38, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you talking about the "infobox small" tables? — jdorje (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea. IMO, they serve little purpose, considering most of it isn't even seen. What is seen creates excess white space. Hurricanehink 02:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, good points.  However it is useful to have the information in an easily available table format.  But the one-table-per-storm method is bad for an article that has more than one storm in it.  Better would be to have one table for the article showing information about each storm, as 1997 Pacific hurricane season and numerous older AHS articles have. — jdorje (talk) 02:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fancy storm pics 

message: The current satellte pic of TD 14 was taken in July, not in October when the system exsisted. The current picture is a picture of... A SMALL CLOUD! Haha! I'll fix it. Previous, incorrect picture of just a cloud in the carribean, compared to the real pic of the actual depression. Looks more like a depression now doesn't it? →Cyclone1→ 14:23, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice going...It is good that someone caught that. 209.62.224.245 01:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: They actually had an image for this one at NASA Earth Observatory. Good kitty 03:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TD 14 goof 

message: (removed and put into article)
OK, would something like this be useful for the season? Hurricanehink (talk) 00:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not? Also can you figure it out to make one for typhoons and super typhoons?Mitchazenia V5.0 01:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No idea. For WPAC, you have so many other things to contend with; different classes and JMA vs. JTWC mainly. I'm not a good computer person, so I probably shouldn't. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt the JMA tracked in 1962.Mitchazenia V5.0 01:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? I was talking about WPAC in general. What does this have to do with 1962? Hurricanehink (talk) 01:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It's yooooooooge Good kitty 03:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season impact 

message: I just noticed that, although Isidore has the lowest minimum central pressure for the season, at 934 millibars, the hurricane season infobox has Lili as the season's strongest storm, at 938 millibars, with no mention of Isidore.  Although I am aware that Lili's maximum sustained winds were significantly higher than Isidore's, making Lili a Category 4 at its strongest and Isidore only a Category 3, I have also noticed that minimum central pressure is usually the deciding factor when it comes to comparing the strength of different storms in Wikipedia articles.  I vote for including both hurricanes in the infobox.  What do you guys think is the best thing to do? Ev-Man 23:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point, and I changed it. Strength indicates pressure, and is not synonymous with winds. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Isidore vs. Lili

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These were mentioned in their season write up. I wonder why Miami hasn't looked into these any more? They had sufficient tropical characteristics.Shearwater912 (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Many years ago, I looked in depth at the July 2002 cyclone, and not long after talked to Jack Beven at NHC about it. During it's genesis it was overtaken by a mid summer cool front offshore the Mid Atlantic states, and therefore could not meet the definition of either a tropical or subtropical cyclone. We were in agreement that the cyclone should be considered a relatively rare "frontal hybrid" cyclone. You can see its evolution beginning with the SAT JUL 6, 0900 UTC surface map at http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/archives/web_pages/sfc/sfc-zoom.html) AJC3fromS2K (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible TS-July 7 and September 5 

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Here are reports that were provided for the WMO. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  18:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: While I believe this storm is somewhat notable, the season section is lacking and this article is quite short. I believe the season section would benefit from having this content merged into it since that article is an FA and must be COMPREHENSIVE in its coverage rather than simply covering the main aspects. Noah, AATalk 12:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: Arthur had minimal impacts, failing notability guidelines. Flux55 (talk) 20:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Tropical Storm Arthur (2002)]] into [[2002 Atlantic hurricane season]] 

message: While the storm did indirectly kill three people, I believe this is another case where the story can be told in the season article. The season section is lacking in coverage and merging this would help to make it comprehensive. Noah, AATalk 12:53, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Weak support - Cristobal clearly had impacts, indirectly killing three. However, outside that, it could easily be merged into the season article.  Flux55 (talk) 20:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Due to the info by @WeatherWriter, I strongly oppose a merge. However, I think it should be delisted from GA status Flux55 (talk) 01:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is kept, there would need to be a valid reason for a delist, following the notice period and GAR process for time allotment for improvement. We can't just delist an article on a whim. If people did that, they would definitely get an ass chewing at the main GA talkpage for sure. Concerns were already raised by a GA regular specifically about not doing that before anything had started. Noah, AATalk 01:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing how this article is structured, I've changed my mind. However, I still think it should be improved significantly Flux55 (talk) 01:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

text: Unless it's significant expansion, the only other option would be to send this article to FAR for not being comprehensive. Noah, AATalk 23:52, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I would be ok with that. Based on what I just found, it probably shouldn't be FA or GA status. But, I still do not agree with a merge, since there is lasting coverage and impacts not yet mentioned in the article. Actually, that last part is a very easy removal from FAR and GA since GA requires that no further info needs to be added. And, that is not the case here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 01:12, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is kept, then this article will have to be sent to FAR for sure. Noah, AATalk 01:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If we add the extratropical cyclone's impacts, should that be spun off into a separate article, like how 2023's Ophelia was absorbed by a low-pressure area, which later caused flooding in New York. Flux55 (talk) 01:49, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: If Cristobal was the LPA, no. Edit: Appears to be another system entirely. It depends on how bad the impacts are as to whether a new article is required. I’d recommend minimizing the mention in articles related to Cristobal since it’s only tangentially related and not directly causing the impact. Noah, AATalk 01:59, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

text: *I'm not sure what WP:POINT or WP:STICK have to do with it, seeing as the previous discussion ended with no consensus. Also, 2002 AHS is a featured article and featured topic, and there was disagreement with what User:WeatherWriter said above about Cristobal's remnants contributing to distant effects in Europe, and whether that constitutes enough new information to keep the Cristobal article, or if it's too irrelevant to even include in the section in the season article (which, again, contains all of the content in the Cristobal article). You brought up Ian, but that article doesn't mention anything a continent away. Also, it is helpful to use a Wikipedia user name when engaging in discussions. It appears you have made quite a few edits, and your input is valuable, so why not consider making a user name? That way, if you're taking part of various discussions, it is clear they all belong to the same user, as opposed to potentially using various IP addresses. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Tropical Storm Cristobal (2002)]] into [[2002 Atlantic hurricane season]] 

message: I'd like to bring back up the discussion of merging Cristobal. There isn't any content in the Cristobal that isn't in the section of the season article. The impacts, such as there were, are all mentioned in the section.  mentions distant impacts from Cristobal in Europe, but that wasn't from Cristobal itself, which was only a tropical cyclone for four days, so it's not a matter of missing the impacts. Therefore, I'm proposing merging the article again, which, again, doesn't have any content now that isn't in the season section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:53, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'm not sure what WP:POINT or WP:STICK have to do with it, seeing as the previous discussion ended with no consensus. Also, 2002 AHS is a featured article and featured topic, and there was disagreement with what User:WeatherWriter said above about Cristobal's remnants contributing to distant effects in Europe, and whether that constitutes enough new information to keep the Cristobal article, or if it's too irrelevant to even include in the section in the season article (which, again, contains all of the content in the Cristobal article). You brought up Ian, but that article doesn't mention anything a continent away. Also, it is helpful to use a Wikipedia user name when engaging in discussions. It appears you have made quite a few edits, and your input is valuable, so why not consider making a user name? That way, if you're taking part of various discussions, it is clear they all belong to the same user, as opposed to potentially using various IP addresses. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk)  02:14, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Further discussion