Talk:Thiruvananthapuram/Archive 1

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Anoop 14:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: I have redone the entire page based on the guidelines provided the Wikiproject on Indian cities.
The one thing still lacking are images. I cannot find many public domain images of trivandrum :(
Anoop 04:53, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major changes 

message: This article looks much better now. I have added a map showing the location of the city within India.
We would need more pics from the city (Museum, Statue, Secretariat) SwiftRakesh 14:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Pictures 

message: Please avoid advertisements for educational institutions in this page. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia.
14:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kindly Note 

message: It is unfortunate to see that some people are misusing the page editing feature to keep their interest arouse. The valueble details about the Vizhinjam port and educational institutions are allegedly removed from the page. These details are true according to the records and worth for the seekers.
Santhoshj 11:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing this page 

message: Reference to Kochi is not needed here. Reference to Thiruvananthapuram is included in the Kochi page because, it is common to locate a place using the distance from the Capital. 
Mr.Alniko, Please dont take this offensive.
-- Rajith Mohan :)  (Talk to me...) 13:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference to Kochi 

message: See Kazhakoottam-correct spelling.Bharatveer 11:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kazhakoottam 

message: Dear Nik,
Thiruvananthapuram is the largest city, capital city and prominent city. Look at all official Indian pages like Airlines, Railways etc. 
Some more on the subject..
If you are trying to say that a park(in Kochi) with constructed area of just 4.5 lakh sqft(0.45 million) is the biggest in Asia and crying that people are not allowing you to put that information,what  should we think of you?
Let me ask one interesting question. If this was true then it should be the park with highest revenue or exports(or at least 1/10th of the major parks in the country). But why its revenue is a mere 65 cores? It is the smallest I have worked in India.
Please try to be realistic. Please look at the mirror before blaming others.
Also be very specific and tell me what is beyond east of bypass(4 km from the center) in Kochi? What is there in the south beyond Marad(8 km from the city center). Towards the North east Kakkanadu(just 10 km from the city center) is like a remote village and is included in the population. Towards the north at least up to Kalamassery I agree that it is urbanized.Also towars the west(narrow width) it is urbanised. You have to consider that all these areas and beyond are included in Kochi UA population, even though they are less populated compared to Trivadrum suburbs. 
Compare the same in Trivandrum, Technopark(this area is not inclued in the city population) is very populated area and is getting extended till Attingal(around 36 kms towards north). Tell me, in the stretch (City-Sreekaryam-Kazhakkutom-Kaniyapuram-Pallippuram) which area is not populated?Only up to Sreekaryam is officially included in the population. Similarly south of Trivandrum(Karmana-Balaramapuram-Neyyattinkara-Parassala) is very crowded till the border(around 40 Kms) and east extends up to Vattiyoorkavu and West up to airport. If the politicians do real justice(in fixing the boundaries), Trivandrum will be many times larger than Kochi(currently it is 4/3 times larger).
-- Sathyalal  Talk to Sathya 08:00, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thiruvananthapuram 

message: The article uses Trivandrum at some places and Thiruvanthapuram at others. One of them (probably Thiruvananthapuram, since that is the title) should be used throughout. Tintin (talk) 07:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Usage 

message: What is the percentage of non-keralan people in Trivandrum?Are the People of kollam and Trivandrum with Tamilian roots a Majority?Recently ,some one from Shoranur said this is how they feel about extreme south kerela.Do Explain.thanks -saurav mukherjea   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.10.5 (talk) 09:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Info 

message: The section 'Science and Technology' in the article can be merged with the section 'Education'. I would like to invite the responses from the editors regarding this.
Thanks, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 12:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously the list doesn't belong to the article. The S&T section should be converted into useful prose and merged to some section, preferably education. — Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:09, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 'Science and Technology' in to 'Education' 

message: Hehe.. come on guys! You know that this is far from being true!! rohith 11:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kowdiar Road ''Typical''?? 

message: The Ponmudi article says it is 61 km away from the city. As such, I dont think the image is apt in describing the geography of Trivandrum. Perhaps the Vizhijam picture (which looks out of place in the economy section) can be used here? -- thunderboltz(Deepu) 05:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, Ponmudi is an important tourist destination to those who visit the city. And also to those who live in it.... But, yeah, I do agree that the presence of the Vizhinjam Port should be emphasized upon. Atleast then will visitors to this website know that the Central Govt. is trying to underplay such a strategically important site because of some peoples' personal intentions. rohith 06:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponmudi 

message: The people of Trivandrum are referred to as Trivandrumites in English. The user Bharatveer disagrees to this. As the article is now going on in WP:FA, it would be better if we stay back from unwanted edit wars. So I request other editors to discuss the matter here, and we can go ahead with the changing once a consensus is reached. 
Agree - I agree to the usage. Personally I belongs to the area, and I am known to this usage. I have heard the usage in many speeches made in English.
-- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 15:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its not a question of anybody agreeing to this usage.Do you have valid references for the same?-Bharatveer 16:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See my point is that thiw word is not still a common usage.Not a single newspaper of repute uses this word yet. Therefore it is wrong to present it as a fact .-Bharatveer 04:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  People of Trivandrum - Trivandrumites (in English) 

message: It appears that the history section of Thiruvananthapuram  as well as the patchy and worthless article History of Thiruvananthapuram suffers from extremely biased selection. There is absolutely no mention of Sir C. P. Ramaswami Aiyer's oppressive rule and many instances of state terror. An eventful period is simply glossed over with a statement "with the end of the British rule in 1947, Travancore chose to join the Indian union", which hides more than it tells. Kundan After Sundown 06:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  False and selective history 

message: There are a few articles onlines which claim that Tvm course is second oldest in India. They claim that it was established in the 1850s, but every one (Official site, , , , etc) of those articles also say that it was founded by Maharaja Sreemoolam Thirunal Rama Varma. He was the King from 1885 to 1924. The King in the 1850s was Uthradam Thirunal Marthanda Varma. It is impossible that it was established in 1850s and by Sreemoolamthirunal. Tintin (talk) 06:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait a minute. The article claims that it is the "oldest" in India. But Royal Calcutta Golf Club has been around since 1829. As mentioned above, even the claim that it is the second oldest is suspect. Tintin (talk) 07:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golf course 

message: I have had a quick look through the article. There are many points that need to be addressed. I feel that if we tackle one section a day, then it could reach FA quality in some time. I would be happy to help out. I could have done this myself, but being from an entirely different part of the country, I cannot help with adding information and references. I can only help with the prose, style and checking the references. If any editors are interested then please leave a message on my talk page.  - Aksi_great (talk) 07:01, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA? 

message: Who introduced violin in Carnatic Music? Certainly not this rajah.   See
:Ravi Varma's global recognition sounds ridiculous. One award from abroad for one painting gives no global recognition. Kundan After Sundown 17:48, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Swati Tirunal, violin, Ravi Varma etc. 

message: Ay kingdom existed in south Kerala, and ruled with Vizhinjam as the capital. King Vikramaditya Varaguna is a notable name in this dynasty.
You can refer to a site named varnam.org, which is a discussion forum of historians and history aspirants. I am providing some urls for you. This will surely help you in knowing more about the Ay Kingdom and history of Kerala. 
Indian History Timeline</br>
History through coins</br>
Vishnu temple of Ay Dynasty</br>
Oldest fort in Kerala</br>
Ay dynasty sometime between 7th to 11th century AD with Vizhinjam as the capital.The Ay dynasty ruled the land between Nagercoil and Thiruvalla</br>
If you are not satisfied with the above site, you can go for the book Kerala State Gazetteer- vol. II, Part .I by Adoor K.K. Ramachandran Nair(First edition: 1986), which is a keral government publication. 
The theory of Shaku Aiyer (which you narrated earlier) may be correct. Because history always go after assumptions and biased thoughts. But here, we should follow the most accepted theory. 
Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 18:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ay Dynasty 

message: The article cites as reference a fraudulent website allegedly of Tourims Ministry of India. The official website of Ministry of Tourism is this.
Tourism Ministry of India
That settles the dispute. Now we only need to see if the editors whot stick to this falsity is going to remove it.Kundan After Sundown 08:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  fraudulent website 

message: * I think that sub articles to Transport should be created, and thus should trim the transport section in the main article. Also, I would like to draw thoughts on the infrastructure details of the city. The infrastructure like power supply, water supply and drainage system got added in the article to satisfy certain comments raised during the FA candidature. I too believe that it is needed in the page, since it reflects the infra details. 
* An user, Taxman, suggested that the details of electricity, water, etc should be moved from the Demographics section to the transport section and the section heading should be renamed as "Transport and Infrastructure".
* Note that the inclusion of more facets of infrastructure of a city other than transport is not supported in WP:INCITIES. Well, I believe that we should update the project guidlines too. 
Any comments on these points?   -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 15:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub articles and improvement 

message: Hello,
Someone is vandalizing this article. I removed the following paragraph from the future prospects section:
Thiruvananthapuram is generally a backward city and there is a political tendency to blame [[[Cochin]] for this.  Subscribers of this idea are found to be a minority, but they still try to promote activities like glorifying Thiruvananthapuram whenever possible and show Kochi in poor light.  Wikipedia pages are  also regularly subjected to such organised manipulations by these groups.
Dr Mullet 15:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your deletion of the vandalised sections. Infact, this is done by by TrueVersion, who is a sock puppet of blocked user User:Alniko-Talk. -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me...) :-) 05:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Free Software Foundation among Research Institutes in Tvpm?  How come? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thejasmanoj (talk • contribs) 12:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free Software Foundation among Research Institutes in Tvpm 

message: Wiki Raja 11:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Dravidian civilizations 

message: The current scenario in Trivandrum / Kovalam / Vizhinjam Real Estate & Property         
Trivandrum Real Estate and Trivandrum Property prices which were speculative in certain areas have softened, due to the lack of purchasing power of the people. In such areas, the land value was inflated, mainly due to the marketing hype and selling techniques of builders who want fresh transactions in new properties.
Properties for sale are fewer in number, as the owners have either opted not to sell / hold on.Construction costs have gone up considerably. When reselling, only land value appreciates, and construction has depreciation based on age.
Price of land is going up in the panchayaths with urban outgrowth, especially, the main roads adjoining the proposed outer ring road of Trivandrum City. Regulations are lax in panchayats and life is of better quality as pollution is less and there is no overcrowding.
Several Central Government Projects are proposed in Trivandrum which are expected to be implemented soon. Vizhinjam port is proposed as a trans shipment terminal, which will be located at a distance of almost 20 km. away from Trivandrum Central. Central Government has plans for setting a world-class shipyard in 1000 acres in Poovar. 
A large scale SEZ is coming up at Nanguneri in Tirunelveli. However, the nearest International airport is at Trivandrum, and Vizhinjam the nearest seaport. This factor could also give a boost to Trivandrum real Estate and Property.
This means the next growth in Trivandrum Real Estate and Trivandrum Property is going to be in areas on the link roads from Trivandrum city to the proposed new NH - Vizhinjam - Ambasamudram - Tirunelveli - Tutricorin which connects Trivandrum to the North South corridor. 
Trivandrum as capital of Travancore had traditionally been connected to Nagercoil and Tirunelveli districts for several centuries. Even today, almost every items required for Trivandrum, be it flowers or rice, comes through the NH 47 from Nagercoil & Tirunelveli. Several residents of Trivandrum have property / estates / farmland in Nagercoil and Tirunelveli. 
The fact that major IT companies have started retrenching their staff / salary cuts is bound to affect the Trivandrum Real Estate and Trivandrum Property prices in Kazhakkoottam / Technocity area as technopark employees will be thinking twice about the future repayment of loans for purchasing plots and properties.
New laws against conservation of paddy field and wetlands and preventing their filling and conversion for other purposes,means that Trivandrum Real Estate and Trivandrum Property market will have fewer 'original land' plots and properties for sale and hence prices may hold steady.
Trivandrum is the best place in Kerala for a relaxed / retired life. Less polluted, excellent medical care facilities are some of the factors. Perhaps, it could be one of the best places in the world to setlle down. Several foreigners who settled down at Kovalam cannot be wrong!!
Moved User:Mathewin's comment above.
--Avinesh Jose   T   07:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved [[User:Mathewin]]'s comment to the talk page 

message: Since BC ("Before Christ") and AD ("Anno Domini", "In the year of the Lord") represent a Christian Point of View, i have replaced it with their secularized versions ie. BCE ("Before Common Era") and CE ("Common Era") in the entire length of this article keeping in tone with Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Before any reverts to this pls discuss in here . Thanks. Arjun (talk) 18:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  BCE-CE Vs BC-AD 

message: I have removed the vehicle codes : KL-16, KL-19, KL-20, KL-21, and KL-22 from the article page. 
These codes are registered under the following RTOs:
*KL-16 : Attingal 
*KL-19 : Parassala
*KL-20 : Neyyattinkara
*KL-21 : Nedumangad
*KL-22 : Kazhakuttam
Although these are in Thiruvananthapuram district, they are not falling under the city limits. 
I have retained KL-15, which is used for KSRTC for the entire state, but is registered in Thiruvananthapuram.
Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 09:15, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  KL-15 is registered in Trivandrum but that does not become a Trivandrum specific service, does it? Please clarify. - MountainWhiskey (talk) 06:16, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The infobox carries the vechicle code registered in the city. -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 06:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Vehicle codes that are not registered within the city 

message: what are the seven hills in trivandrum  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.172.112.130 (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  hills in trivandrum 

message: Dear new users, I appreciate your contributions to the article to make it better. Since there are many active users who are attached to this article, you can always raise your concerns and put your suggestions in the talk page before directly making changes in the article. This will help to scrutinize the concerns and suggestions and to stabilize the article from frequent updates. This will also reduce the chances of edit-wars in the article. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 03:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No one; can be removed. -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 08:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raise your concerns/suggestions here 

message: I notice that the city page does not talk about the urban poor of the city. This class of the populace is as important as the rest, so it must find its place in the article.
The City Development Plan submitted by the Corporation to JNNURM provides ample information in this regard. http://jnnurm.nic.in/nurmudweb/toolkit/Trivanthapuram/5PartCD.pdf. Since this page is regularly and expertly attended by senior editors, I request them to review the said information and enrich the page with the information of this important and indispensable part of the populace, rather than hazarding an edit attempt myself. The document provides images as well, which should make the article more rounded and accurate in its visual representation of the city, to quote the recent advice of a senior wikipedian.
DileepKS69 (talk) 06:16, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: A verified image of chenkal choola colony is available on commons now. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Trivandrum_Chenkal_Choola_Slum.jpg Please add the image to the page, so that it make the article more rounded and accurate in its visual representation of the city, to quote the recent advice of a senior wikipedian.
Thanks. DileepKS(talk) 08:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Urban Poor in the City 

message: This is not to dispute anything on the page, but I find that at least one entry in the World Gazateer page, which is reference No 1 (currently) on the page, to be out of whack. It says Kochi had a population of 564 589 in 1991 and 266 898 in 2001, then estimates 249 107 in 2010. I suggest that the use of such sources doesn't look good on the page.
DileepKS69 (talk) 03:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The world gazateer is a valid source, though not fully reliable. The census figures from the census website is considered more reliable and accurate. In case of any anomalies with gazateer, the census site would be the final reference. Gazateer is used as citation in majority of the wiki pages, as it provides all the info in a single page, where as the census web-site provides in dynamic pages without changing the url address.See the history of List of most populous cities in India here : page history. I have moved Kochi up the list citing the actual census figures. Cheers, -- Rajith Mohan (Talk to me..) 09:23, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is World Gazateer a Reliable source? 

message: Binoy/Rajith, I have a few observations on the transport section.
# NH-47 runs from Salem to Kanyakumari, not the other way around.
# Buses from it go to all major towns and villages in the State. Weasel word.
# It is considerd as one of the best airports in the country is a weasel word, and there is a spelling error in it.
# the flights can be operated on all weather conditions is not the right way to put it. The fact of the matter is, the airport does not get bad weather.
# operating with big jets is weasel word, and looks amateurish. That whole sentence doesn't look good grammatically.
# It is to be built in three phases, and expected to be a key competitor in the ports business (especially for container transshipments), with the international shipping lanes between Europe and the Far East lying very close to the port, and also with major ports like Colombo, Kochi and Tuticorin in close proximity.[71]. Very long unstructured sentence. key competitor with shipping lines?
# To ease the strain, several multi-million dollar construction projects are now underway including the construction of flyovers.. This cites a news from 2004. It should be updated with the current status of those projects. Also, several multi-million dollar almost qualifies as a weasel word. An approximate number that is referenced would look nice.
# 42 km of six-lane and four-lane dual carriage ways needs citation. Details of the project, at least end points, would be nice.
Thanks,DileepKS(talk) 01:22, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport Edits 

message: Does anybody know the year which Galveston and Thiruvananthapuram become sister city? Binoy (talk) 06:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: 1995 Samaleks (talk) 17:39, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year - Galveston - Thiruvananthapuram sister city