Talk:Selim I

message: What is this treasury that Selim filled? I can't find anymore information on it. Jarwulf (talk) 02:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Treasury

message: Hi. Some very notable contemporary Turkish historians (as I recall, Iskender Pala, I'll find out) say that this portrait on this webpage (as of Jan 5th, 2008) does actually belong to Sah Ismail, not Selim. 'Yavuz' means grim, not 'cruel'. I'll be back with some references.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.234.161.203 (talk) 23:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact 'Yavuz' is better translated as stern, not grim or brave.78.191.95.164 (talk) 22:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: As far as I know, as a Turk, Selim I had no sobriquet but "Yavuz" that never means cruel. I don't think that a man trying to protect his faith, his land, and his power against the opponents, the rioters, etc. can be more cruel than, for example, conquistadors like Pizarro "roasting", cutting the natives of the American continents into pieces.
I cannot speculate much on the meaning of "yavuz" during Selim's time, but it is known that it did not have the positive meaning it has today. Do not take my comment wrong, I am an avid fan of Yavuz, but this should not restrain us from stating this. --Fethi --.
Traditionally, English writers translated Yavuz Selim as "Selim the Grim" and while this is not particularly accurate, it's common enough to mention. "Stern" and "steadfast" are also used and I think "stern" is probably the closest. Translations in French and German wikipedia are all over the place too. It's a little like the question of how to translate the cognomen of Ivan IV of Russa: "Grozny Ivan" is traditionally Ivan the Terrible, but I'm told the Russian denotes awe as much as condemnation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.5.179 (talk) 19:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: sobriquet

message: Selim I raided the Citadel of Cairo and carried of the marble dado from the walls of the great Qala'un Mosque to Istanbul. This may be a nice factoid to add to the article; I'm not adding it myself since I don't feel I can judge if it is notable enough. — mark ✎ 17:55, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Qala'un Mosque

message: What is the source for his last campaign being against Rhodes? As far as I know, the destination is not known.Fethi 7 July 2005 21:58 (UTC)
:Yes he died during the preparations of the campaing. Turkish view defends that Selim I was planning to conquer the west but not a specific place is mentioned. With respect, Deliogul 20:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rhodes

message: I remember reading that the current painting is not actually Yavuz, even though it is known to be so in Turkey. Does anyone have first hand info about the issue, and where we can find a real painting if this is not?Fethi 20:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I know the painting is Shah Ismail, the arc rival of Selim I. With respect, Deliogul 21:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Painting

message: I am strongly against such an action. As a Turk, I have never heard or read anything that would suggest in the smallest way that Selim I was related to somebody named Selim Bulut. The usual Turkish reference to him is "Yavuz Sultan Selim". See for yourself: A search on Google for ""selim bulut" (ottoman OR osmanli)" (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22selim+bulut%22+%28ottoman+OR+osmanli%29&btnG=Search) returned six results, five seemingly related to Wikipedia. The other web site belongs to the business of some Selim Bulut, situated on the Osmanli Street in Ankara. On the other hand, searching for ""yavuz sultan selim" (ottoman OR osmanli)" returns 13,500 results. As expected, there seem to be no reference to "bulut" on these pages. Take http://www.theottomans.org/english/family/selim1.asp, http://www.turizm.net/turkey/history/ottoman2.html, http://i-cias.com/e.o/s09-selim1.htm, or http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/people/A0844358.html for example.
By the way, "bulut" means "cloud" in Turkish. You could search for that as well. I did. "Selim the Cloud" retuns zero results (remember that the Ottomans did not have surnames, thus "Bulut" can not be the surname of Sultan Selim). -- Yagiz
Ottomans had family names (surnames) till reign of Murad I who used Osmanli instead of kaya (or mis spelled as kayı) which they preserved from their asena ancestors.But of course Bulut has nothing to do with house of Osman.
:It is Selim Bulut that is to be merged into this article, not the other way around. /The Phoenix 15:33, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge into Selim Bulut? 

message: ...(much more) could be found at the Mehmed-paša Sokolović article. --PaxEquilibrium 22:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info.. 

message: "Yavuz" is a mixture of both negative and positive specifications. The article shows it by using the adjectives brave and grim. Usage of brave is true as Yavuz means the brave person who never gives up but the usage of grim is debatable because it also means ugly-bad looking person. On the other hand, "ferocious" can explain the dark side of the Selim better. As wild and cruel as an animal that hunts. Deliogul 21:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it is absolutely the same with Ivan the Terrible whose monicker, according to some authors, was explicitly modeled on that of Selim. "Yavuz" is traditionally translated in Russian as grozny (i.e., "terrible"). --Ghirla-трёп- 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yavuz 

message: In section Life we read that "Selim's mother was Ayşe Hatun, from Dulkadir". (Turkish Wikipedia also says she is from Dulkadir.) The name Ayşe Hatun is linked. But in the article Ayşe Hatun we read that "she was an ethnic Greek from the a village near Trabzon, originally named Maria." Dulkadir was a Oghuz principality and it was situated in south Turkey. Trabzon is on the other hand a Black Sea port.
There is a contradiction between the two claims.  Which is right ?  Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:12, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Call for an expert 

message: There has been a number of talks about the image. The image added by IP no. 195 240 250 105 is a good portrait. But I am afraid it doesn't belong to Selim. I'll call the contributer. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Newman, Andrew J., Safavid Iran: Rebirth of a Persian Empire, (I.B. Tauris & Co. Ltd., 2006), 152; "...concluded the Safavids were Kurdish in origin.". --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portrait 

message: It has been written in the text that :"...Selim was also a distinguished poet who wrote both Turkish and Persian...In one of his poems, he wrote : A carpet is large enough to accommodate two sufis, but the world is not large enough for two kings.— Yavuz Sultan Selim".
Just want to say the original poem is from Saadi Shirazi , in Gulistan  , chapter I , Story 3 ; as follows :  Ten dervishes may sleep under the same blanket but that one country cannot hold two padshahs --Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:28, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The poem under chapter "Personality" 

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message: Although there's an explanation of what the disease 'sirpence' was, the link simply redirects to the article on anthrax, and so does every definition of the word I've found on the Internet. Many of the hits for 'sirpence' are in fact typos for 'sixpence' (the former British coin). So perhaps the word should be replaced here by 'anthrax', the link changed, and the reference to the leatherworkers' disease removed. I'm a fairly well-read native speaker of English and I'd never heard of 'sirpence'. Perhaps it's 16th-century English, but if so that means it's archaic. I also wondered if it was a Turkish word (it could be, pronounced 'seer-pen-JEH'), but the Turkish words for anthrax are 'şarbon' (borrowed from French 'charbon') or 'antraks'.213.127.210.95 (talk) 13:57, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sirpence 

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thread_title:  Old page history 

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message: It is already stated in the infobox that Üveys Pasha is one of his sons ! Regarding the infant sons, they are referenced in the Turkish version, but the refs are in Turkish, either way English readers can not follow the main source ! UniSail2 (talk) 23:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: A non-English source is better than no source at all (see WP:NOENG). Just copy in the citations from the Turkish Wiki and I'll consider my concerns addressed. Thanks.Alivardi (talk) 00:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Selim I#Family

message: true picture of sultan yavuz selim no crown no earrings or similar
--88.152.246.13 (talk) 10:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is Suleiman, not Selim. Beshogur (talk) 12:30, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  true picture of sultan yavuz selim