Talk:Totton and Eling

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Totton - Defined as Original Village of Totton.
Not Calmore, West Totton, Hounsdown, Netley Marsh, Cadnam, Winsor, or any other area now known as Totton.
This definition of Totton has a secondary school called Testwood.
Hounsdown (note the spelling - yes a test)is not considered to be in Totton by true locals.
Concede to Benshade council covers both areas and both schools.
Not intended as vandalism 
86.7.65.222 3 July 2006 (UTC)
-I have referenced the sources for Totton having two secondary schools. (http://www.totton-and-eling.demon.co.uk/S.htm)
-Both Testwood and Houndsdown are areas within 'Totton and Eling' (This being the Totton and Eling Civil Parish - The area covered by the Town Council)
-I agree Houndsdown was built after Testwood, to cater for the overflow and surrounding area catchment (at the time). It was not build solely for the Houndsdown area (which is tiny) as you seem to imply, but for the whole area including Totton.
-I also agree that historically pupils expelled from one, attended the other by default. This happened both ways - Testwood to Houndsdown and Houndsdown to Testwood, but this has no bearing on where they are. In fact it indicates that they are that they for the same catchment area - Totton and area.
-I have referenced articles to show that they are both in Totton.
-I believe your 86.7.65.222 edits were POV and unconstructive (which in wikipedia can be considered vandalism).
-My family has also lived in the area many years, giving me local knowledge, but wariness that I should remain NPOV on articles.
-I attempt not to have bias and have (hopefully) shown my changes to be referenced fact.
Ben 
:I have renamed this section to avoid attacking any particular users. Please, if there is a problem with the article discuss the facts, not editors. Discuss the content, discussing editors is not helpful. Wikipedia:No personal attacks elaborates.--Commander Keane 20:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please add your new comments to the end of the section otherwise we can't work out what going on!
I agree 'Original'/'vanilla' Totton centre would probably not include all the surrounding 'places/areas'. I'm not old enough to know that far back myself. However this article is 'Totton and Eling' and is about 'now' (and now means 2 secondary schools)
Maybe you could put it in a history section in the article - e.g. 'Totton was until 19xx a  smaller village and was separate from the surrounding areas such as Calmore and had one school (Testwood School). Do you know when they were 'separate' places? Were they really separate in 1963 still?
Or as you say a new article, but I would suggest that the article should be on Testwood not Totton (as the school is in Testwood 'area')
Ok darn - you got me to spell it wrong - I was daft enough to copy your spelling knowing I was likely to spell it wrong on my own anyway- I could never spell right it which is why I copied it.
Consideration by Locals is POV - It is now in the town council area - which is fact. I consider it to be 'Totton' because of this in addition to my local knowledge as a ex-local.
Posting a new entry for Totton (or Testwood) sounds OK, but be warned that it will look like 'duplication'. It would probably be good to do the other places that are 'part' of Totton - Hounsdown, Brokenford, Eling, Calmore as well to make it look more in place and link between this article and them.
Ben 21:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Totton Secondary Schools Discussion

message: I am against the proposed merge of articles suggested it would cause a loss of information in many cases and an overloading of the main page.  Notably a similar set of proposals was made by an anonymous user to disrupt the Portsmouth page and those of its schools information is here and also here -- Drappel 22:00, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: This appears to be missing. Any takers? The lede is a summary of the article- the quick way to fix it was a new section Description- not ideal but it unjams the article, and problems caused can be fixed later, after the references problem has been cured. --ClemRutter (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipbuilding in Eling 

message: Should Totton be split for the BUA or is the overlap with the parish too great? Although being an ONS BUA might not qualify it as a legally recognized place per WP:GEOLAND it is still likely a strong indicator of being notable. Totton is on 6 of my missing article lists namely User:Crouch, Swale/A-Z Mini, User:Crouch, Swale/A-Z bold places, User:Crouch, Swale/County level, User:Crouch, Swale/Bot settlements and User:Crouch, Swale/BUAs as well as 1 of its subpages, User:Crouch, Swale/BUAs/Revised. Eling, Hampshire could perhaps also be split? Thoughts? I have created Draft:Totton, Hampshire which could be moved to  if this is agreed though it probably needs more work. Crouch, Swale (talk)  20:03, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: A split seems reasonable - the two were once separate settlements and each is notable in its own right. The problem this leaves behind is the question of what the parish article should contain if most of the existing content is moved to separate Totton and Eling, Hampshire articles, but that's a common issue for "X and Y" parishes. WaggersTALK 13:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

text: To avoid, or at least manage, duplication there would need to be some local consensus on which areas appeared in which articles. Is the Totton Bypass a sensible dividing line? I looked at the Victoria County History (dated 1911) but that didn't help – it listed Totton as one of several places within the "modern parish of Eling". I looked on the town council website and I see it has five wards (central, north, south, east and west) but I can't quickly find a map showing the ward boundaries. New Forest District Council does publish a ward map which appears to put the boundary of their Totton South ward along the railway line. I don't know the area very well but based on looking at maps and histories, splitting the articles looks like splitting hairs. Are the two areas not speaking to each other? That doesn't sound like a good basis for splitting the article. (Update: I've now looked at the BUA map and that draws the line along Eling Creek/Bartley Water. If that's the proposal here, you could end up merging Eling into Marchwood, and you might even end up with Eling Tide Mill in the Totton article. Neither sounds sensible.) --Northernhenge (talk) 13:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

text: Whilst I support a split. The page you've linked isnt the totton BUA but the Totton BUASD. This is the Totton BUA  which again doesn't include Eling. Although my source for what counts as Eling is what Google Maps is listing as Eling, which seems to be one street seperated from Totton by Bartley water. I'm assuming this parish is one where two merged? or did Totton just overtake Eling in importance and got added to the name. Eopsid (talk) 23:30, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  The parish was renamed from "Eling" to "Totton and Eling" in 1974 as with Crompton being renamed Shaw and Crompton being renamed in 1987. I meant BUASD and it appears that Eling church it outside the BUASD but part of the settlement may well be in it. This is similar to Shaw but not for Shotley Gate which is definately separate as Shotley is also a BUA. Crouch, Swale (talk)  11:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Crouch, Swale. Noticed this on the WP:UKGEO. Are you going ahead with the split? Has my support. Eling  would I believe pass the GNG as the original name of the parish, and remember WP:NTEMP. Rupples (talk) 17:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Draft:Totton, Hampshire has been deleted but it could be restored and then moved over the redirect to Totton. Crouch, Swale (talk)  22:15, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totton