Talk:Béla IV of Hungary

message: Why are Bela IV and succeeding Hungarian kings called the kings of Serbia in the table beneath? In fact they were kings of Croatia, not Serbia.--Muarrih (talk) 17:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Because of the title. --SavoRastko (talk) 22:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  King of Serbia? 

message: This part has been deleted, but should be put somewhere (probably into an article about the woman in question):
:Her daughter, Margaret (Margit) (1242–1270) mostly lived on Margaret Island, which was later named after her. She was canonized in 1943.
Adam78 18:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: As the official language of the Kingdom of Hungary was Latin until 1867 , using Hungarian names for cities etc. before this date is anachronistic. Since the Latin name that was used at the time can scarcely be found, we should list all the places with their modern names.Wladthemlat (talk) 16:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Only some nobles and clergy could speak Latin - the common language of the people was of course Magyar. HammerFilmFan (talk) 07:06, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't forget, that medieval Hungary was multiethnical state, and that there were many other languages spoken.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukáč Peter (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hungarian names for places before 1867 

message: Szabina, wife of Mózes (Majos/Majs/Mojs/Moys), Palatine of Hungary (? – 1280)[3][4][5]
and the References
3 # ^ Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899. Page 321
4 # ^ Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899. Page 531
5 # ^ Mór Wertner, Az Árpádok Családi Története, Pleitz Fer. Pál könyvnyomdája, 1892. Page 606
have a lot of problem!
I have locking about this information. It is NOT TRUE!!! 
The book: Gyula Pauler, A Magyar Nemzet Története: Az Árpádházi Királyok Alatt, Vol. 2., Athenaeum, 1899.
http://www.archive.org/details/amagyarnemzettr00paulgoog
On the Page 321 - is not Sabina or Szabina
On Page 531 is a person with the name: Moyz as he wer a saracen person.
BUT!!!: On the Page 686 is the information:
--IV Bela hasn't got a dauther with the name Sabina.
-- the citat  of this page:
Page 686 / 801
^**' .....
" A Vita s Kingae said also (Mon. Pol. IV. 684.) IV Bela has only six  — means adult girl — dauchter.
About Erzsebet  W. III. 205.
Our writers are thinkin that  IV. Bela had yet a dauter named "Sabina",
They are thinkinig that this woman was the wife of the  II. Majs Palatine .
IV. László's document (CD. V/3. 78.) tsoror nostra carissima> must not means ount.
In the origin decument  (DL. 1092.)is not the name " Sabina ";
This name has someone wiseacre person  arbitrarily push in it when he . descripted it.
II. Majs wife's name  was Erzsébet (Nyelvemléktár VII. 6ö.);
Majs daughter , was 44 year old when she in year  1276 about the holiness of Szent Margit confissed, that means she was born in year 1232 (u. o. 5ö.).
If we presuppose that Masjs daughter were from an other wife, then she cannot to be dauter of  IV Bela, becose the IV Bela was in year 1932 same 26 year old.
Wertner M. has also good thinking, that he wife of II. Majs can not to be the daughter of IV Bela. He writes in her book  (The family History of Arpads) Az  Árpádok családi története 606. s kk. 11., about Sabina, but in this time he can not  to know, that the name  Sabina is a poor  fudge. ...."
5 ^ Mór Wertner, Az Árpádok Családi Története, Pleitz Fer. Pál könyvnyomdája, 1892. Page 606
 
I found this book not online.
But, I found the book:  Mór Werthner, IV Béla története (The history of IV Bela)  Published 1893 Csanád-Egyházmegyei Könyvsajtó in Temesvár.
http://openlibrary.org/works/OL15481016W/Negyedik_B%C3%A9la_kir%C3%A1ly_t%C3%B6rt%C3%A9nete
In this book isn't the name Sabina!!!
IV Bela's timelife:
1206         Nov. was born IV Bela (page 8)
1206          was born Mária Laskaris of Nikäai (was the daughter of Greak Emperor of nikäa and Armenian princess )
1214          was killed the mother of IV Bela - Gisella     (page 9)
1218          engagement between IV Bela and Maria Laskaris   (page 13)
1220 or1221   merried IV Bela and Maria Laskaris
1224          was born daughter Kinga,
????          was born daughter Margit (older),   -
????          was born daughter Katalin,
????          was born daughter Anna,
1235          was IV Bela the Hungarian king.
????          was born daughter Erzsébet,
????          was born daughter Konstancia,
1239          was born son V. István,             (page 39)
1239          married Kinga with V. Boleslav (Polski)
1241-1242     was the Mongol invasion
1241          The King family must also to  escape. Thay was in    Spalato, Vorossa, Klissa,  Trau ...
1242          In the town Klis died daughter Katalin.
1242          In the town Klis died also daughter Margit (the older) who was engagemented with Szent Omeri Vilmos (Page 110)
1242          Thay are burial in Spalato.
1242          The mother Maria Lasaris was expectant  with Margit (the younger), in Klis.  Margit (the younger)  was leter a nun.
1243          merried Anna with   Rosztiszláv the princ of Kiev and of  Holics
1243          was born son Béla,
1244          was born daughter Jolan.
1247          merried Erzsébet  with  Henrik prinz of Bavaria
1251          merried Konstancia  with  Leo the dauphin of Holics
1269          had died son Bela
1270          had died IV Bela the King
1270          had died the wife of IV Bela - Mária Laskaris
1271          had died daughter Margit (the younger), the nun.
1271          had died daughter Erzsébet (the wife of Henrik prinz of Bavaria.)
1272          had died son V. István
In this book isn't the name Sabina!!!
There is the name Moys in it:
1217           Moys (leter the Palatine)  was together with King II. András in the rusade      (Page 13)
1226           Moys (leter the Palatine)   (camerarius) of Bela princess , main steward of Somogy and Varasd  (Page 151) 
1251           Moys was (agazo; agasonum regalium magister), who is one of  ancestors of  Family  (Page 207)
1254           Moys was (agazo; agasonum regalium magister), who is main steward of Győr  (Page 207)
1260          Moys is the (camerarius) of Bela princess , who is one ancestor of  Family Dárói ( died in year 1280).
He is main steward of Somogy and   Varasd (Page 206).
1269 /partly/ is the Palatin Moys the son of Moys past Palatines. Thy are two ancestors of  Family Dárói   (Page 199)
1270            is the Palatin Moys  the main steward of Sopron   (Page 199)
Wein Sarolta (talk) 08:42, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sabina and Moys  

message: I would like to dispute the claim that he was a "clearly Hungarian person" as Hobartimus is claiming in the edit summaries, a brief look at the family tree shows, that he was son of Gertrude of Merania and grandson of Agnes_of_Antioch, therefore this claim is mistaken. Not to mention that no nation in the modern (and German) sense of the word existed in the 13th century. Wladthemlat (talk) 15:05, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He was a direct descendent of Árpád, I don't know how could anyone get more Hungarian than that and being the legitimate King of Hungary, and 'second founder of Hungary' also I would think help him a little. Of course in the context being Hungarian it's not really a blood related thing (where you have to have certain % of ancestors, that's another system...) but more of a common sense circumstance as well. But I guess that phrasing depends somewhat on good faith (meaning reasonable people wouldn't start questioning clearly Slovak, or Hungarian persons, would make  them fit the definition of "clearly". So if you want to dispute it, you can of course, in that case, or if he was a clearly Slovak person the order would change to Slovakname (Hungarianname) at the first occurance and Slovakname the following times a name appears. Hobartimus (talk) 17:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Clearly hungarian person

message: Bela could only lead a "small army" at Mohi??  NOPE.  The combined Cuman-Hungarian force was quite large and was almost wiped out to the last man. Also, the Mongols left the area because Batu and Subedai had to attend the kuraltai that was called in Mongolia following the death of the Great Khan Ogedai; to think that they were militarily defeated is complete nonsense.  The Mongols devastated Hungary and that part of the Balkans that they entered.  They were about to take Vienna when the word arrived that they had to return to Mongolia. I'll correct these problems in the article later in the week via Reliable Sources. HammerFilmFan (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  facts related to the battles with the Mongols are erroneous 

message: I remember someone asking for a translation of the inscription:
:Behold something dear: Three surround the altar of the Virgin:
:A king, a duke and a queen. Let threefold joys be with them.
:While it was granted, while your sway, King Béla, was strong,
:Fraud hid away, peace was firm, integrity reigned.
The meter of the Latin text is hexametric, with internal rhymes. Feel free to polish up my translation and insert it in the article if appropriate. Dumbox (talk) 08:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  His legacy