Template talk:Old AfD

message: Thanks to all the people who drafted this template.  I do have a few request/suggestions.
# The word "survived" is appropriate for some but too strong for many of the VfD discussions as they are actually closed.  
## First, some of the nominations are not made in good faith.  (See for example Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jesus.)  To say "survived" implies that the survival of the article was ever in question.  
## Second, some nominations end in some variation of "merge and redirect".  To say that the article "survived" when all the content was merged away is a real stretch but that decision must still be mentioned on the original article's Talk page.
## Third, a VfD decision can end in "no concensus".  A "no concensus" decision defaults to "keep" but can only have very limited precedent if the article is ever renominated.  The word "survived" implies a stronger precedent than is appropriate.  
#: I would prefer the simple words ""  
# I know that all the templates in this series use the colored box format.  I think this one should follow a different standard - one with a ==header== but no box.  For one thing, a VfD nomination that results in "keep" should be no big thing.  Highlighting it in peach (or any other color) creates a stronger impression than it often deserves.  For another, the colored templates are generally used to highlight things about the article that every current reader should know.  The fact that an older version of the article survived a VfD vote is rarely relevant.  It should be part of the article's record but is not obligatory for every current reader to know.
# Could/should we add four tildes to the end of the template so it automatically fills in the signature of the person tagging the article?
#::This unfortunately doesn't work.  You can add tildes to the template within <nowiki> tags so they don't get expanded by the person adding the template, but they'll then remain bare tildes when the template is added to the talk page.  If just  is used, they'll remain that way; if it's subst'ed, then they'll stay that way when the closer adds the template, and change into the signature of the next person to edit the page. —Korath (Talk) 15:54, May 2, 2005 (UTC)
#: Rossami (talk) 15:32, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: General comments

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violet/riga (t) 16:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Seeing as oldvfdfull isn't in mass use just yet perhaps you could just add the date (which I think is a good idea) to that? violet/riga (t) 10:35, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Date now takes month and day, with 2005 as part of the template, since that will only need to be altered once a year... Mindspillage (spill yours?) 19:28, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to require the year too - when we change it to 2006 next year it will change all this years ones as well. violet/riga (t) 20:03, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Full companion

message: Template:Oldvfd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Template:Oldvfd. Thank you. —Phil | Talk 19:03, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:Oldvfd 

message: Can this be modified so we can direct it to the AFD discussion after a page move?  Right now if the page is moved the discussion link will be killed unless you know to make a redirect at the page it now it points to.--BirgitteSB 17:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this would be very helpful. At the moment, there are pages that have this template but where the link to the AfD discussion does not work as the page has been moved - see, for example, User talk:Alansohn/Cruftcruft, which was moved from Wikipedia:Cruftcruft after the MfD. Does anyone know how to fix this? Terraxos 16:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You can fix it my subst:ing the template and then after saving edit the link by hand to point to the correct location.  But we should have a simpler solution with parameters.--BirgitteSB 17:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Use . –Pomte 16:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modification