Talk:Pope Gelasius I

message: I undid the page move because there is a Gelasius II (1118-1119) so "Pope Gelasius I" is the correct title.  JYolkowski // talk 00:15, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: I'm a bit puzzled by this:
: However, his being of African heritage does not prove that he was a black African, as at the time most natives of that continent's Mediterranean shores were not black.
Isn't the population of the north African countries still largely not black?   As far as I know the only significant immigration occurred during the Arab conquest, and then perhaps after the European conquest.  None of them -- Berbers, Arabs, Europeans -- are similar in skin tone to the sub-Saharan population.  --Saforrest 16:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  At that time? 

message: Is there any evidence that the Kabyle as such existed in any knowable-to-us meaningful sense at the time? Is there any possible way to get from "romanus natus natione afer" to "Kabyle"?
I have no access to JStore, and there is no prospect of spending much time in libraries in the near future. 
However:
Wikipedia under this head (Kayble) has history beginning in about the C10
Poking around the internet I get the impression that there is evidence (archeological and historical) for the continuous presence in North Africa of a certain ethno-cultural group from some centuries bc (but this was a quick glance, I couldn't say whether there is evidence to the contrary) part of which people has been for some time now (self-)identified as "Kabyle"
Do we possess any traces of a Kabyle identity existing at the time of Gelasius?
Unless I am much mistaken (which is possible, I am the most average of punters in this field) the ONLY evidence for Gelasius' origins/birthplace/ethnic identity are the two phrases
romanus natus
natione afer
I am no adherent of the "it's too interesting to be true" school: are there any traceable traditions or things of the sort? Otherwise, someone delete this word from the entry.
Berenike 21:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kabyle people, for centuries superficially Islamic, might have been Christians previously. Glora M. Wysner, The Kabyle People (New York) 1945, thought not. The connection with Gelasius is less than tenuous. --Wetman 03:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kabyle? 

message: The pious but historically naive "styles" in the non-informative box (illustration, right) seems to tell the reader to address Gelasius as "Your Holiness" upon arriving in Heaven, as an encounter is unlikely to take place in the sublunary real world. Historically it suggests that "His Holiness" was actually applied to Gelasius. That may be. This kind of thing is more appropriate to a Roman Catholic website. It makes a foolish intrusion at Wikipedia: are we to refer to "His Holiness"? --Wetman 14:32, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Styling" Gelasius

message: It seems that there is some debate concerning whether Gelasius was a black man; isn't this a debate significant enough to at least merit a MENTION in the article? Something neutral and simple, like "there is some debate as to whether Gelasius was black". 
If there is an established, understandable reason why this hasn't been done, please explain.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.217.238 (talk) 07:54, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: There was once a section about it here, but it has been removed. -159.205.211.223 (talk) 23:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning race/skin color

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