Talk:Coat of arms of France

message: There is a discrepancy between the French and English versions of this page- the coat of arms for the second and first empires seem to have been switched in the table- specifically the all-golden one. Is this Napoleon I's coat, or Napoleon III's?
TVTMaster (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Discrepancy

message: This coat of arms cannot be considered as an official symbol of french Republic!... 
 
(I am a frenchman, teatcher of History near Paris...)
>>> I AM A FRENCHMAN TOO, TEATCHER TOO... I TOTALLY AGREE... THIS PAGE IS A SHAME !!!... THIS UNOFFICIAL "SYMBOL" CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS THE SYMBOL OF FRANCE !!!... THE ONLY OFFICIAL SYMBOL OF FRANCE IS HIS FLAG... (CONSTITUTION DE 1958) COULD BE STRANGE FOR OUR FRIENDS IN UK... BUT FRANCE CANNOT HAVE COAT OF ARMS AS SYMBOL, BECAUSE WE ARE A REPUBLIC !!!...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.101.42 (talk) 02:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Drôle de conception de la République ! Je te signale que Cuba est une république, de doctrine socialiste, qui plus est, et qu'elle a conservé son symbole purement héraldique. D'autres symboles plus ou moins armoriés constituent l'identité de l'immense majorité des États du monde, conjointement avec le drapeau national. Et ceci aussi bien pour les républiques que pour les monarchies. Ne serais-tu pas légèrement incompétent dans tes fonctions de professeur d'histoire ? J'espère que tu ne te permets pas d'incorporer des insanités républicanistes intégristes à tes élèves ou étudiants. Pour finir, je te signale que c'est Jacques Chirac qui a fait réintroduire le faisceau de licteur dans la communication de la présidence de la République, toujours utilisé aujourd'hui par Nicolas Sarkozy, et que son caractère non officiel peut être comparé au blason des États-Unis qui ne répond à aucune disposition de la Constitution américaine.--Cyril-83 (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm French too. My conception of the Republic is that for such things as an official national emblem, there should be a vote, at least of the National Assembly/Senate, but maybe even a referendum. No such thing happened, so the emblem discussed by this wikipedia article is rightly so called unofficial, because it is. If the president can change it on a whim, it can't be seriously considered as representing the country or the Republic (the president himself being called president of the French Republic and not of France, by the way). Aesma (talk) 16:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This article has been renamed from "Coat od arms of the French Republic" to "coat of arms of France". 
This is fine by me, but it is important to understand that the two do not mean the same thing. With the present denomination, the proper "coat of arms of France" would be three golden Fleurs de lys on a blue field with the Order of the Holy Ghost, etc. , plus the history of the evolution of the coat of arms.
The "coat of arms of the French Republic" is not a "proper" coat of arms, and it does not replace the coat of arms of the kingdom of France. I think that the matter should be addressed, and frankly, I think that have two separate articles could be an option. Rama 08:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  France vs French Republic 

message: Wasn't there also one with a rooster? --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 17:25, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  rooster? 

message: How does this emblem not respect heraldic rules (as the article claims)?  Funnyhat (talk) 04:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet the first line of its description states: "The emblem consists of: A wide shield". I've tagged it as unsourced for now. Laurent (talk) 13:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heraldic rules 

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message: There is a difference in spelling (France ancien vs France ancienne) used on this page and on similar pages. E.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis
More of a problem for the other pages, since I believe it is France ancien even if you would expect the feminine for France, it is the masculine (for écu, probably, or perhaps blazon?)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.68.171 (talk) 03:41, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  France Ancient, France Ancien, France Ancienne 

message: Sometimes one sees a depiction of a rooster, but that is not shown.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:04, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  rooster? (2) 

message: The article alternates, for no good reason that I can see, between the spellings "France Modern" (which seems unlikely, since ordinary French words - as opposed to a few proper names - don't end in -rn) and "France Moderne" (which is correct French). I don't know for certain which is right - "France Modern" may be acceptable in heraldic English, alongside "France Ancient" - but the spelling should surely be consistent throughout the article. The same inconsistency occurs in the article on "Fleur-de-lis".213.127.210.95 (talk) 14:15, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: According to this Wikipedia article it may seem modern/ancient is the correct lingo. Iselilja (talk) 07:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  France Modern/Moderne 

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: National emblem of France →  – This is the actual subject of the article, i.e. the heraldic device and previous French coats of arms. It mirrors the title of other countries' coats of arms. There is no reason that this will be confused with Diplomatic emblem of France Sigsjak (talk) 11:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Makes sense.  I have moved from weak to full support. I would also like that term "unofficial" struck out from the text, if it was indeed officialized later. It is just misleading. Walrasiad (talk) 22:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 19 June 2023