Talk:System of a Down/archive2

message: SYSTEM OF A DOWN (SOAD) are indeed Emo, and should be classified as 
such, it is absolutely outragious that their wikipedia entry has been locked,
expecially when explicit proof has been given that they are indeed classified as Emo;
Namely:
a) They have recently stated they classify themselves as Emo, in their most recent interview and as stated on their website;
b) They clearly sound very similiar to Emo bands of this current time;
c) Their fans are often Emo in culture and socially: (see Emo on wikipedia);
d) They have been labeled as Emo on wikipedia for many months, and this has been reverted to their genre as Emo for several ongoing months by many wikipedia updaters;
e) Their lyrics are extremely emotional, and the way they dress is indeed considered to be "Emo" (See wikipedia entry on Emo); —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.12.233.21 (talk) 12:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SYSTEM OF A DOWN ARE EMO - WHY... 

message: I dont think SOAD would be classified as EMO (purely emo music is usually punkish) but I would have no problem with them being classified as Emotional Metal, or Emo Rock, just my opinion... -GoldenJake2007
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thread_title:  SOAD? EMO? mabye EMO ROCK, but not normal emo music 

message: Is Kill Rock & Roll a actually a single?
no it is on Hypnotize album
I'm not sure. It's on sirius, but i havent heard it on anything but that(and the CD)Also, it doesn't have a music video, that's how i usually judge
The official site did not put up the song, as they did with their previous singles. Plus, if they're going on hiatus, it's doubtful that they would make it a single. The answer is no, Kill Rock & Roll is not a single. Could someone delete it from the list and change the information for it to say that it is not a single? 4.227.251.181 05:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kill Rock & Roll 

message: Someone keeps adding Patterns to System of a Down's list of B-sides. When it is clearly a song by Tony Iommi, that simply has Serj singing. Perhaps it should be mentioned on Serj Tankian but I definitely don't think it should be noted on the main SoaD article. lynch 01:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  B-sides 

message: Quote from "Genre Dispute":
 "The lyrics deal mostly with political and social issues or just pure randomness, rather than personal issues."
Someone please change that. The lyrics are very much a question of interpretation. They're not "pure randomness", just very abstract. Actually most of what's written in that section is too subjective in my opinion.
they are just randomness, i quote " pull the tate worm out of your ass ," "goasts are no diffrent than you," if thats not random wat is man!?!?!?!?
:Err, it's "Pull the tapeworm out of your ass". And that's a metaphor for drug addiction - the addiction is like a tapeworm, eating you from inside. To pull it out is to get rid of the addiction. The second line you quoted is "Ghosts are no different than you", from the song Question!. The song is about whether or not there's an afterlife, and that's why it's talking about ghosts. It's not "just randomness". 
:Vicinity of Obscenity, now, that's a different matter ;) But most of their songs are not "just randomness".
:(and yes, even Vicinity of Obscenity has a meaning, sort of)
:212.213.90.13 16:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: "War?" is listed as a single from "Demo Tape #3 (A.K.A 'The Bug Zapper')", Prison Song and Violent Pornography are listed as singles but have no page for them - it looks a lot like vanadalism to me, but I don't know my SOAD enough to edit it. Please do if it is. /Hugoflug 16:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism in the singles page? 

message: I wrote a complete overhaul of the history section. The article was in disarray with grammatical errors, sentences that didn't even make sense, constant (and i mean constant) reiteration of the same fact, events out of time order and the inclusion of non-encyclopedic and unsupported material. In other words the article was in shambles and looked like complete bollocks. Who wrote "was appraised by fans"? Check the definition of the words you are using next time you edit. Thanks. --Ultrasound 03:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete Overhaul 

message: Current genres: Heavy Metal / Alternative Metal / Hard rock
In the past few days, there's been quite a few edits to the genre heading of this article. Right now, what genres do you think we should have listed? - CorbinSimpson 18:35, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternative metal. Heavy metal is too vague (and somewhat inaccurate) and hard rock doesn't describe them quite as well either. That's usually what I see them called by reviewers and such as well, if not nu-metal, and nu-metal is a subgenre of alternative metal anyway, if I'm not mistaken. --DalkaenT/C 19:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre Editing 

message: Is it possible to make all of their songs available for editing, because I'm a fan and would like to work on articles for them. Just wondering so if you can help me out, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WeirdInformar (talk • contribs)  05:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see Notability and Music Guidelines/Songs for Wikipedia's official policy about songs. See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs. Mushroom 15:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Their songs...

message: Somebody NEEDS to put lonely day on the singles list. I don't know why but its driving me crazy! Lonely day is now a single so it should be included in the singles list. Thanks.
:Done. Blastdude 05:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lonely Day

message: "Righteous" is misspelled in the article in the section quoting the line from "Chop Suey!"
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thread_title:  Spelling error in article 

message: I can't find any Industrial influences in SOADs music, anyone got any examples of this? /Hugoflug 21:05, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think there are any - Bagel7
I think there are... the song Old School Hollywood obviously has industrial music influence.(SOAD36 00:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's one song...Theunknown42 01:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industrial Influences? 

message: In the South Park article about the episode "Chef Aid" it says they recorded a song on the album for Chef Aid called Will They Die For You? this should be mentioned in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.130.178 (talk • contribs) 
:Interesting. I'll go check. My version of the album says that that track was "Will They Die 4 U" by Mase. If the Chef Aid article is wrong, I will ask on their talk page. Either way, the song is definitely NOT by System of a Down. - CorbinSimpson 21:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I have the song, and SOAD is definitely in the song. Listen to the end of the song, where Serj sings "Why must we kill, why must we kill, our own kind." Also, Amazon.com's entry for the Chef Aid album lists SOAD as contributing to the song.  - Avengerx 21:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: XD, the tags on my copy are messed up. Gracenote confirms SOAD is there. My mistake. - - CorbinSimpson 22:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Park Album 

message: they have recieved a grammy for best hard rock performance and this should probaly be put into history section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.119.116.72 (talk • contribs) 
You should've totally removed it (hyperirony.. cough :)) --84.249.252.211 15:37, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  grammy 

message: There is a lyric from Deer Dance that says we can't afford to be neutral on a moving train. Would this be a reference to Howard Zinn's autobiography, which is titled You Can't Afford to be Neutral on a Moving Train? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Copysan (talk • contribs) 
:Oops forgot to sign, sorry Copysan 02:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, if that was unintentional then that would be a huge coincedence.--Gophergun 18:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Deer Dance'' and Howard Zinn 

message: hasn't steal this album gone double platnium yet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CAYA (talk • contribs) 
could someone please answer
I don't know if Steal This Album has gone double platinum yet. I didn't even know that it went platinum. It is a really good album though and it would deserve it.-Leandreamo
Absolutely STEAL THIS ALBUM is very good and sometimes underated-CAYA
That's completely true, CAYA. I'm alway's hearing people say how Steal This Album is just a compilation of scrapped songs or whatever. If they would just read the interviews
they would know that that's all bullshit.-Leandreamo
Its double platinum now. And yeah People dont get what they should out of it.Mr.Merrel 21:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SOMEONE ANSWER! 

message: Is the meaning of the name known?  In particular, what does "down" refer to?  Surely not down (football) or a kind of hill.  Something to do with depression (being down)? with poverty (down and out)?  This should be in the article.... --Macrakis 18:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The name

message: what happened to the picture of system in the little infobox? could someone put up one up?
El sand bag57 01:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture? 

message: That quote from Guitar World is heinous. Nobody in their right mind would ever call System of a Down prog-rock. I don't think it should be used as an argument for or against anything.
:I've seen it come up before. --DalkaenT/C 22:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Watch out, Captain anonymous! I pegged these guys as prog back in 1998. I should know! I also don't like the way the 'argument' about nu-metal and heavy metal is written - "voiding" many fans' arguments? Give me a break. dreddnott 14:23, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: While you and I may feel that way, most people are accustomed to dumping bands into broad categories so they don't have to think. If you put something in like that, try to make it NPOV... dreddnott 22:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre? 

message: Are there any credible sources to prove that they are actually going on a hiatus? Jman14141414 21:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A Hiatus? 

message: When SOAD won a Grammy for BYOB, they won it under 'Hard Rock'. Was this because this was how the Grammy judges thought of them or because there was no Alt Metal (not sure if this is correct) category? jimarib - 8:00, 7 May 2006
:It wasn't the first time a band won a grammy in the "wrong" category. Who really understands them? :/ Jango12 - 2:02, 8 May 2006
:Hard rock is a broad category.  The Grammys don't have awards for super-specific styles.  So yes, there's no alternative metal category.  WesleyDodds 07:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammy 

message: Isn't the speculation of System of a Down releasing a new album next year made redundant by their announcement of going on hiatus? Matt d84 00:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched at Google about their new album coming out next year. So far, their page at IMDB.com and a newsletter from Sputnikmusic says that the System of a Down is already writing their new album. 65.222.216.15 01:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Both of these articles predate the announcement of their hiatus (Matt d84 21:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it was a rumor. I've been recently hearing that the band is now on hiatus, but they never said anything about a new album. I hope they won't be on hiatus for too long. But, I think that the new album would be intrested and hope it'll sound as good as all their albums. Mike Garcia 20:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Album 

message: The articles all over the place, I've put it up for cleanup Lipzydude 20:45, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clean Up 

message: Someone vandalized the page, and redirected System of a Dick article to "System of a Fucking Greaser". I don't know how to reverse it, so can anyone do that? - James 16:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A sock puppet of persistent vandal Johnny the Vandal is probably the one who redirected this article to "System of a Fucking Greaser". He sometimes calls me and other users a "fucking greaser" for harassment. He sometimes redirects articles to names with nothing but bad words or something, if you see him do that, just click on the "move" button, that's the way to reverse it. Mike Garcia 16:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: System of a fucking greaser?!?!

message: Hard rock? I don't really think so. Metal? What metal? There are many metals.
Who the hell removed the good definition of "alternative metal"?! --194.251.240.114 01:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Why is this listed as a B-Side? What was it a B-Side to? It's an album track from Anarchists of Good Taste. It's also technically NOT a System of a Down song, as the only member of SOAD on it is Serj (and he only gets a small mention in the liner notes for "Guest Vocals on Mushroom Cult"). Foolish Child 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact is that some kids are misled by a file circling the web called System of a Down - Mushroom Cult.mp3, and when looking for random SOAD material they end up downloading this song. Nonetheless, it sounds nothing like System (apart from Serj's vocal), so people should think twice before putting something like this on wikipedia. Also, I have seen various pages that list SOAD's discography and show this song on a special Collaborations section, in this case it is a collaboration of Serj with DFD.
And by the way, on my album it reads "Additional Vocals on Mushroom Cult". VdSV9•♫ 20:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, sue me. But IMO, it sounds a lot more like Dog Fashion Disco, as it would seem out of place on a SOAD record, but doesn't on Anarchists of Good Taste. And should the "B-Sides" section be retitled? Because I'm willing to bet most of those aren't B-Sides (the only one I know for sure is a B-Side is Johnny, which was on the Chop Suey! single). Foolish Child 08:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mushroom Cult

message: Yes, yes, I know, WP:STRAW and all that. Polls are evil, but I'm going to use them as a method of gaining a bit of consensus. In short, put your name down for each genre you think the article should have in the infobox. If polls were binding, the winning genre would, in theory, be the one mentioned in the article header, "System of a Down is a [genre here] band..." However, that's beyond the scope of this poll. Basically, this is just for narrowing down genres and seeing if this band is classifiable. Since this is only a poll, I am staying out of this and not voting, as to not spoil the process. Please sign your comments with ~~~~ so that we can track discussion better. Oh, and stay civil. - Corbin Be excellent 03:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear alot of hardcore in their sound too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HappyBoy (talk • contribs) 23:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strawpoll: Genres 

message: IMO they're lastest stuff is very much similar to this (Blastdude 20:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Hard rock]] 

message: *The best possible description for them, though its not very good. --Chicken Twinky 21:25, 6 November 2006
*Demonic Duck - but mention that it's a subject of heated debate, and that SOAD in fact uses a fusion of many different genres.
*--DalkaenT/C 00:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Alternative metal]]  

message: * I consider their music to have significant elements of thrash metal. As a proof, I'd like to mention such songs as Deer Dance, Prison Song, Science, Chic'n'Stu, Highway Song, Thetawaves, B.Y.O.B., Cigaro, Sad Statue, Attack, and Dreaming for being the most obvious examples. On the other hand, their music incorporates much experimenting and elements of other genres, so I'd never apply solely "thrash metal" term to SOAD.
* Sounds closest, a generic 'hardcore' label might be more accurate.  --Overand 04:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hear alot of hardcore in their sound too. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HappyBoy (talk • contribs) 23:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Thrash metal]] 

message: * The influences are clear.. 
Quote from a Rolling Stone interview:
"Writing long progressive rock in a three-minute-song format -- that's the trick," Serj raves.
The quote can be found here
NightHunteR 12:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Progressive rock]] 

message: *Yes, though maybe Art rock would be better. --Chicken Twinky 21:22, 6 November 2006
*i'm good with this.  they call themselves that on their purevolume page.Itachi1452 02:57, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Experimental music]] 

message: * Various - Just put Various for the genre, like in the case of Mr. Bungle. SoaD don't easily fit into any of the genres mentioned here. Foolish Child 09:12, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclassifiable/Other 

message: What's the correct capitalisation of SOAD? Is it System of a Down, System of A Down or System Of A Down? SOAD's own website seems to imply (where it's not written in ALL CAPS) that it's System Of A Down, whilst several SOAD albums I have ripped state it as System of A Down in their metadata.
Meh, it doesn't really make a huge ammount of difference... only that whatever one it is should be the article name, with the other possible capitalisations redirecting to it. Maybe I'm just being a bit pedantic here... Demonic Duck 13:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "SoaD" is also the way it's capitalized on Billboard listings and at Gracenote. - Corbin Be excellent 21:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Standard naming conventions would have it as System of a Down. Foolish Child 09:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Fair 'nuff, that's cleared that up then. Demonic Duck 22:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation of Title 

message: It seems there are more than one of these... The Zelda Song... also, a song called "speak english or die" which is actually by S.O.D, and the song "Mushroom Cult" which is actually by Dog Fashion Disco plus some vocals from Serj, I have seen attributed to S.O.A.D. And I think there are more, although I can't remember them on the spot. Should these be mentioned in the main article to clear up possible confusion, or not? Demonic Duck 22:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Songs Incorrectly Attributed to S.O.A.D

message: The section "Terrorist Dispute" is poorly written and unnecessary. Is there any reason why it shouldn't be deleted? ShauntA 04:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because, (as far as I can see,) it doesn't exist. Demonic Duck 21:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I was pretty angry about how biased it was. I am glad that they deleted it.Casual Karma 21:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Terrorist Issue

message: I added the "References" section and the  template.  Unless I am mistaken, there are very, very few verifiable, cited references in this article.  --ElKevbo 21:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You were right to do so, Its one of my projects to get this article referenced.--Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 19:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced 

message: I recommend that, in accordance with WP:EL, most of the fan sites listed in this article be deleted.  Wikipedia is not a collection of links.  I think a brief discussion might be helpful to establish which one or two fan sites are most noteable and should remain.  --ElKevbo 21:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many fan sites 

message: I know that this is where they got their name, but it is said that it is written on the back of their debut album. I have this album, and I may just be stupid, but I can't find it anywhere. Can anyone tell me if this is true, or where it is? Casual Karma 01:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Victims of a Down? 

message: Are the seperate pages for the demo tapes, which have 3-4 songs each, really necessary? (Matt d84 21:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demo Tapes 

message: Why don't we just call it Armenian metal?  That would save us a lot of heated debate, and it would be accurate.Defy You 00:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian Metal? 

message: To associate this band with black metal (only for the guitarist's "appreciation" for Satyricon (band)) is highly misleading. Many bands of various rock genres have blastbeats and aggressive riffs. Unless there's more explanation/elaboration, such association is clearly POV. --Danteferno 04:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Reminiscent of," "elements of" --Macarion 04:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: POV. --Danteferno 04:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I have changed "black metal" to "extreme metal", since tremolo riffs/double bass beats are very broad and DO NOT define black metal. --Danteferno 02:54, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there even such a thing as extreme metal? --Pookythegreat 05:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a link to the term explaining what it is. --Danteferno 11:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing to do with black metal 

message: :A while ago, I added the part with the improv'd Lonely Day lyrics, and cited my source, or referenced it, or whatever. I came back to show a friend, and my ctied source was removed, and someone added uncited things about SOAD management company, among other things. This needs to be checked out, in my opnion. This is the portion I am referencing, that I believe to be vandalism: 
"However, according to Lauren Valencia of Velvet Hammer (System's management company) not only was that statement never made but the band is closer than ever! On July 8th, while playing Lonely Day, Daron improvised the lyrics to, "Such a lonely day, with the band/I love these guys right here."  Tankian quickly followed that by stating "everybody should mind their own business!" All seems to be kosher in the System of a down camp." While it is possible that these statements are true, they are unreferenced, and oughtta be looked into.
Although, last night (7/15/06) During System's performance at OZZfest (which I attended) when daron improv'd the lyrics, he said: "Such a lonely day, with the band/I love these motherfuckers right here." So. Who knows?Casual Karma 22:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism of the Hiatus section

message: I just merged the singles chart from System of a Down discography here to help complete any possible merge of that article to this one's Discography section. The chart is an exact copy of that page's chart, except that I added the singles that were listed on this page already to the chart, regardless of charting position. In other words, no data has been lost in the transition. -- H·G (words/works) 19:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *Understood; however, in reality the changes I made today were very small and were not along the lines of a real merge--in effect, I turned the existing data on this page into a chart and added a few more sentences. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I would suggest that your edit was a much larger change in the effect of moving data that had been on this page for several months now. Thus, I'll go ahead and revert this page to what it was before either of us made a change and post a formal template requesting discussion of such a merge. -- H·G (words/works) 22:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I made that edit as it does not belong on this article, thats why a seperate article is in exsistance. I dont want a fight either, i cant be bothered. I will still disapprove of the merge but im not the sort of person that gets worked up so sorry if i was a little "heated before". Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 22:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles / Discography merge 

message: Could the songs on the lonely day EP be considered B-sides?
EPs don't have b-sides, singles do (Matt d84 02:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: B-Sides?

message: I'm aware of the fact that Serj occasionally plays guitar live. Are there any studio tracks in which he contributed guitar? (Matt d84 02:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Serj the Guitarist

message: Their music has nothing common with nu metal. No turntables, no sampling, no rapping. Finally, SOAD uses much more complex riffs and rhythmical patterns than most nu metal bands do. Their lyrics cover various aspects of everyday life, politics, history, etc., unlike nu metal bands' lyrics.
Also, "alternative metal" is a very loose categorization, but, on the other hand, the only one directly applying. SOAD are alt metal just because their music doesn't fit directly into any other genre, being a complicated mix and fusion of different genres. IMO they don't exactly fit into any of the alt metal subgenres listed in the corresponding article. SOAD aren't funk metal, as well as they aren't industrial, punk or nu metal. So, as said above, they are alt metal just because no other categorization can be directly applied.
I suggest renaming this part of the article to "Genre Dispute", taking into consideration Malakian's words on SOAD being called "whatever is popular". Also, IMO it'd be nice to expand it a bit, mentioning SOAD's unique style which doesn't fall directly under any categorization (well yes, they're alt metal, but what subgenre, eh?). Also, I'd propose to mention significant thrash and progressive influences in their music. Many of their songs incorporate "thrashy" passages, and on the other hand, they pay much attention to usage of unusual and complicated rhythmical patterns and guitar play, as well as sophisticated vocals (shouting, talking instead of singing, whispering, growling, peeping etc., not to mention sudden alternations), which tells us of their "progressiveness".
IMHO.
But I still suggest the headline to be changed to "Genre dispute".
* Oh. Well, I though nu metal dispute was an accurate title, seeing as how most of the dispute involves people disproving the nu metal label, rather than giving them a proper classification. While you may think that they have "nothing in common with nu metal," a lot of people who aren't fans of their music, or even unbiased music critics, label them as nu metal (Sound of the Beast: The Complete Headbanging History of Heavy Metal, Metal: A Headbanger's Journey, etc.) While I also disagree with the nu metal label, I can understand how people could classify them as such, due to their emergence during the nu metal boom and their appearance at Ozzfest. It's interesting that with all of the varied and sometimes ridiculous metal subgenres (Crustcore? Florida/New York/Swedish Death Metal? Stoner Metal?) that there isn't really one that adequately fits for SOAD. (Matt d84 01:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why "Nu Metal dispute"? 

message: Its pretty clear they're on the left but what precisely are they? Democratic Socialists? Anarchists? Communists? Or are they just anti-capitalists who haven't nailed themselves to a particular ideology?--CTerry 00:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What ideology do they actually subscribe to? 

message: For nearly a century, the Western World has wholeheartedly accepted that there has been an attempt by the Ottoman Turks to systematically destroy the Armenian people, comparable to what the Nazis committed upon the Jews during World War II. Many Armenians who have settled in America, Europe and Australia (along with other parts of the world, known as "The Armenian Diaspora") have clung to the tragic events of so long ago as a form of ethnic identity, and have considered it their duty to perpetuate this myth, with little regard for facts... at the same time breeding hatred among their young. As descendants of the merchant class from the Ottoman Empire, Armenians have been successful in acquiring the wealth and power to make their voices heard... and they have made good use of the "Christian" connection to gain the sympathies of Westerners who share their religion and prejudices.
Turks characteristically shun propaganda, and have chosen not to dwell on the tragedies of the past, forging ahead to build upon brotherhood — not hate. This is why the horrifying massacres committed upon the Turks, Kurds and other Ottoman Muslims by Armenians have seldom been heard. When such reports are heard, Westerners can be callously dismissive... Turkish lives are apparently as meaningless to them as Indian lives were to most early Americans.
I have the feeling those 2 paragraphs are blatantly "anti-armenian genocide". The whole passage is in contradiction with the protected article on the Armenian_Genocide. To me, the arguments used lack neutrality. I suggest these 2 paragraphs be removed. 
Fabricebaro 09:31, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non NPOV in "Armenian Genocide issue" section? 

message: ?? NJlo 17:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF Happened to this page (and other soad stuff)??? 

message: I dont know if anyone noticed, but a song, which i dont know the name of, was left out. Its a song from a Dee Snider movie called Strangeland. They were on the soundtrack. Anyone know what im talking about?Definishun 17:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strangeland 

message: I know Serj and John were born there (according to there Wikipedia pages), but Shavo was born in Armenia and Daron in Hollywood (his father was from Iraq.)  Any proof that Shavo and Daron are of Lebanese descent?--Xerxes855 19:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any.--MGrizzle 01:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese descent? 

message: Friik! blue and others like that where did they come from?
:What?--MGrizzle 01:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Friik?

message: System of a Down  have made a cover version of the theme tune to The Legend of Zelda video games. Did they not? Is this relevant? Dfrg.msc  1 . 2 . 3 09:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Covers 

message: now the page says theyre the greatest metal band ever,and even insults korn now.someone please fix this.
If you're able to say something on the talk page, you're able to change that. also, sign your name here please. NJlo 17:53, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  more vandalism 

message: Could we please stop this slow motion edit war between numerous participants about whether SoaD were active from "1995 - present (currently on hiatus)" or from "1995 - 2006 (currently on hiatus)"? There's no point in changing it back and forth without any comment all the time, we should rather get some consensus on this. --Conti|✉ 16:17, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but the thing is, SOAD aren't together. If they were "present", John, Daron, Serj, and Shavo would be working together, and/or wriing songs, etc. And plus, when someone is trying to find out when SOAD went on hiatus, it doesn't help that it doesn't say in the infobox. Just my opinion. ScreamAtMe 02:19, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed it to '– present' numerous times. The band may not be active at the moment, but they have not disbanded yet. Queen have technincally not been active since 1997 (Queen + Paul Rodgers currently is), yet it still reads '1970 – present', because they have not broken up. - Zone46 03:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SOAD is NOT making any new maerial, they are on hiatus! People forget that this is an encylopedia, not a freaking fan site!!! We are supposted to have all the information in a conveinent spot; no one is going to search all the way through the article, it takes too much time. Not everyone who vists Wikipedia isn't a member! They are people looking for information!!! If we don't and won't put up the information, why even bother?! WereWolf 23:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A hiatus is just a hiatus. Their guitarist Daron Malakian said that the band is not officially broken up at all. In any way, when bands like Tool and Nine Inch Nails were no longer around for five years between an album, they would have happened to be the same as System of a Down, going on hiatus without disbanding. So, I guess we'll just leave it as "1995 - present (currently on hiatus)" for now until there's any news whether they are officially disbanded or not. Alex 23:40, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i don't care, we have to have all the information, please, this isn't a fan site, it just isn't. WereWolf 03:18, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slow motion edit war (regarding 1995–2006/1995–present)

message: There are from what i think 2 songs on the first album that sound very similair to thier other songs. "Darts" is similar to "A.D.D." instrumentally and theres some other one i can't remember.--LukaszFalencki 17:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same songs 

message: I don't really have any problems with the current list, but have you ever heard "Dear Dance"? The first verse and chorus seem to scream the relationship to a genocide, if not the Armenian Genocide. Does anyone else think this belongs with other songs dealing with the Armenian Genocide?
RockMaster 03:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armenian Genocide List Incorrect? 

message: Hey I'm from Germany, thats why I don't dare to edit the article, but I noticed a mistake: The band never told that Steal This Album is a B-Side album and they said, that they don't want the fans to think that. All members say that Steal this album is to finish the toxicity project. Steal This Album is as important as all the oters. I don't know how to say it in English. It has the same status ... you know.
Okay, maybe you can edit it for me (in a better way)--89.14.180.201 10:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steal this Album - b-sides??? 

message: I made this article about the recent documentary that System features prominently in. I wasn't sure how to fit it into the article here, but I believe it deserves mention. -- Augustgrahl 06:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it should be in. --Trusader 02:08, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Screamers documentary

message: You know, the quote about their hiatus... i'd fix it myself but, i'd probably wreck it more... just thought i'd tell everyone... --220.253.48.244 10:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone please fix the massive quote that goes along the page 

message: Put up a new pic, the old one was probably deleted in the recent 'incorect' copyright tag raid. --Mudel 20:59, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks better but you cannot really make out each individual member. I think a bigger picture would be better. --Trusader 02:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good luck finding one that those wikifreaks will acknowlage as true promophoto. Will try though... or I'll make one ;) --Mudel 20:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New pic

message: Removed a header section (that was right above History) that simply said:
"DID YOU KNOW SYSTEM OF A DOWN ARE ARABS?".
Pointless, stupid, and irresponsible.
ChaoticVengeance 01:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: What does "still you feed us lies from the tableclot" mean?--Kingforaday1620 23:39, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A metaphor, like feeding the scraps to the dogs. Unworthy of the truth, to put it another way. --Dayn 12:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[B.Y.O.B. (song)|B.Y.O.B.]]

message: Is it just me, or does the method of which Serj sings at live shows change after Toxicity? He no longers screams as much, but rather yells. Less rapsy I guess. Now, his singing is more talking than actually singing. Maybe its just another change that the band did with the new album.
I suggest you make the comparison
Science Live 2001 Toxicity Era
Science Live 2005 Mezmerize/Hypnotize Era
Eh, probably just me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.25.46.18 (talk) 01:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I forget where I read it, I'll try to find a link, but it was him explaining how before he used anger to express his emotions, and now in the later albums he did that through the lyrics more so then before. NBAwire:syxx 03:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serj's Voice 

message: Coming out of Wikipedia's servers' ears. --84.249.253.201 16:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could someone archive this page already? 

message: Someone had deleted the whole article and replaced it with some childish insults. Just reset it. Hope thats ok guys.
Sean —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.41.7.91 (talk) 02:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: WHOEVER THE HELL LABELED SYSTEM AS EMO BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!  they can be classified as many different genres, but certainly not emo!  Ella 08:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "whoever" is just a vandal.  Revert it.  —Wknight94 (talk) 12:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hahaha, that made me laugh out loud. Good thing someone fixed it tho, took like 5 seconds. 212.213.90.13 20:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GENRE!!!! PLEASE PUT YOUR OPINION HERE ON THEIR GENRE! 

message: my mate gave me som soad songs, 2 of them were caled snowblind and metro. i now hav all 5 soad albums but cant find them. iv looked everywer for them but stil cant find anthing about them. can som1 help me. is it just my mates given me some dogy tracks or is it somting elce —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.98.3.62 (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  snowblind and metro 

message: i lov soad, there my fave band, il pay loads to see them on stage but i cant find out if ther goin 2 be  in england any time soon. cna som1 tell me if they are and wen. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.98.3.62 (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  next tour in england 

message: if steal this albu is B-sides ther bloody good ones. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.98.3.62 (talk) 20:45, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  soads best tracks 

message: who keeps on putting emo/emotional rock and roll. if ur gonna put emo, put emo. even though i strongly disagree, put an actual genre. name 1 emotional rock and roll. rock and roll is like elvis so im guessing emotional rock and roll is elvis cutting his wrists. go edit some fall out boy you wikipedia whore.
:I agree - Emo is a genre. It's a genre with emotional lyrics and punk roots. Emotional rock and roll, however, is just that. Rock and roll. Rock is emotional. There's no need to add it, because SOAD isn't all about emotion in their songs. Therefore I don't see Emo as a genre that fits SOAD.
:212.213.90.13 05:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  who the fuck puts emo