Talk:Handball/Archive 1

message: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia in Danish.
Håndbold er en sportsgren som blev opfundet af den danske gymnastik- og livredningspioner Holger Nielsen. Han indførte spillet på Ordrup Gymnasium i 1898 og udgav den første instruktionsbog i spillet i 1906.
In short: Team Handball was invented by the Danish gymnastics and lifeguard- pioneer Holger Nielsen in 1898. He published a manual in 1906.
: I've correlated this with other sources and wrote something about it in the article, it should be better now. --Joy [shallot] 00:29, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team handball a Danish game 

message: I searched and cannot find any links to handball rules. Is there a seperate wiki entry, or any external links that will take me to team handball rules?
--User:Coffee and TV (20 February 2006)
I found a link listing Handball team rules. The link is given below and seems fairly reliable. I play handball and have found that the rules I have played with have varied slightly from location to location. However the basics have been the same in all occasions.
http://usadth.tripod.com/rules.html
Rintaminator (talk) 05:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rules

message: The article says:
: "The first international games were played under these rules, between Germany and Belgium for men in 1925 and Germany and Austria for women in 1930."
while the German article says:
: "Das erste Handball-Länderspiel fand am 13. September 1925 in Halle an der Saale zwischen Deutschland und Österreich statt." (translation: "The first international handball game took place on 13 September 1925 in Halle an der Saale between Germany and Austria.")
So, was the first international game between Germany and Austria or between Germany and Belgium, was it men or women, and in which year?  (The German article doesn't reveal the gender of the players.)
- Kaare 21:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible history section confusion 

message: acck.  The opening line about handball redirecting here is wrong (it doesn't, you go to the disambiguation page), and the handball (disambiguation) Page goes to the handball page.  I'm cleaning up the disambiguation links that should come here (or wherever), but don't want to mess with this article as I'm unsure on the decision about redirection.  My thoughts would be to remove the opening line of this article, delete the handball page, or have it redirect to handball (disambiguation) so it is a nice neat disambiguation place to be.  I have 300 odd links to correct yet, so it will be some time before this needs to be done.  Any thoughts?LeeG 17:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The opening line became wrong after someone moved it and forgot to adjust it. I moved it back. Please feel free to correct only links that point to a non-team-handball, that should be much less work. --Joy [shallot] 20:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   Thanks, sadly there is quite a mixture of links and it is not obvious which type of handball they all refer to.  Many (but not all) American articles refer to American handball, for example.  I'm quite happy and out of trouble sorting it out for the moment!LeeG 20:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: disambiguation

message: There should be a section or article on bordenball, a variation on handball popular in schools. A smaller court and hockey nets are used.LK 22:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bordenball 

message: I am a student from fairfax and at our school we play a game called team handball. But when we play, weplay more like the way it was described as borden ball.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.188.105.205 (talk) 19:15, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How we play team handball or as it is called, Borden ball. 

message: How many players? Not very popular.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.109.239 (talk) 14:45, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to form a team? 

message: —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.215.100.153 (talk) 17:17, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Goal' or 'NO-goal' 

message: I've added a citation for the inclusion of handball in the 1936 Berlin Olympics by Hitler:
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/handball/story/2008/05/12/f-olympics-handball-history.html
There are numerous others, but this seems to be the most renowned possible source without digging into some library books.
I'm still new to editing Wikipedia pages, so if the citation needs to be cleaned up at all, any help would be appreciated.
Also, would this not now change the banner at the top of the article that says that this article has/uses "no citations or reference?" Since there is at least one source cited now, I changed the banner from "no" citations or sources to "needs sources or references." That seems more appropriate according to the Wikipedia guidelines. --Douglass Moore (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Found: Please Help

message: "If a player kills a referee, an opponent or any other person accidently or deliberately, the referee can expel the player forming a cross over his head with his arms, which will tell the player that he/she will have to leave the game completely and his team will have to play a man down for the remainder of the game. This expulsion is the most severe penalty possible in handball."
I find this weird, if not false. I'm going to remove it unless somebody would like to expand what a "kill" is...-Violask81976 17:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a "kill"? 

message: Hi, I do not know anything about handball and was in fact reading about this sport for the very first time today, but some of the claims written in this article are highly dubious. 
-"The modern game is most popular in Europe, where it is the second most played sport after football (soccer)" I find this hard to believe. This sport is played more than golf, basketball, rugby or tennis? I would like to see this backed up by fact.
-"The only country in Europe where it is not professionally played is the United Kingdom." This is blatantly not true. I live in Ireland and there is no professional set up for this sport here. As I stated I first heard of this sport yesterday. I would also find it hard to believe that countries such as Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Moldova, Georgia have professional hand ball leagues. Maybe I am wrong (and generalising) and would love to be disproved but I find it hard to believe Malta or Cyprus have professional leagues. Therefore not only is this statement incorrect due to the fact that I have shown there it is not professionally played in one other country in Europe (Ireland). I find it highly unlikely this is a proessional sport in others. In fact the wikipedia list of professional sports league (shown below) only lists three professional sports leagues for handball- France, Germany and Spain.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Limericksham (talk • contribs) 10:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the cited statements as they are unsourced and indeed hard to believe. I don't see why we kept them for so long anyway. --Aikurn (talk) 14:12, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious Facts

message: Hi, 
I just reverted an edit thinking that was vandalism, but I realized that the whole section "International bodies" has no one single source. I honestly would like to understand more about this section, so I have added a few request for sources in sentences that I think they needed. It is not my intention to delete any portion in this section, I am simply challenging the content.  Can the experts in the game please add some sources? 
Thanks, 
Miguel.mateo (talk) 02:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some sources and removed the fact tags. Feel free to restore them if you think it's not enough. Also, what would make the section clearer for you? As a handball fan I may take certain information for granted so I'd appreciate your feedback on what needs to be expanded. Aikurn (talk) 10:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Aikurn, you have done a great job, thanks a lot.  I have a lot to read based on your comments, I appreciate that. Best regards, Miguel.mateo (talk) 10:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asking for sources in "International bodies" 

message: There used to be a lot more information in this article which seems to have been deleted without any profound reason, see e.g. this version. Are there any objections against reinstating this content? --86.103.232.99 (talk) 13:29, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections as long as the current "valuable" content is preserved, of course. I've looked at the page's history and it seems that the entire Basics section was lost as a result of vandalism on 2 November 2008 (wrong edit). Aikurn (talk) 15:01, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted content 

message: Clarification is needed. On this article, it says "American handball and Gaelic handball are completely different sports", but on the Gaelic Handball article it says that Gaelic Handball " is a sport similar to (...) American handball (an almost identical game)". 
Please rectify.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.1.75.31 (talk) 07:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Handball vs. Gaelic Handball 

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