Talk:Franglais

message: Nous doivons put this together with regard to : ever closer union  and
I do think it constuctive that the article has been divided into French and English sections.
But: Reflecting the will of the citizens and States of Europe to build a common future. Innit?  We must do more William Avery 01:01, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: It's the Prioress whose French is commented upon by Chaucer. "Frenssh she spak ful faire and fetisly,/ After the scole of Stratford atte Bowe/ For the frenssh of Parys was to hire unknowe"
SilhouetteSaloon 01:58, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Wife of Bath? 

message: Alright, well in french, you says vous since its more proper than tu - where vouvoyer and tutoyer comes in, but in the examples, vous was used instead of tu. I believe that in sum franglais, verbs aren`t really accorded and positions and when certain words should be used (as vous and tu), aren`t used as when u just speak french. (im seeing this from a french point of vue). Maybe it should be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.66.181 (talk) 22:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: vous/tu

message: What about the old joke of puting "le" before every noun?
Le pant, le envy. 
Found often in Pepe LePew cartoons.
I also saw an Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy cartoon featuring "Chez La Sweat", where everything had "la" in front of it, different from the usual "le". Eddy even pronounced "sauna" as "sawná", even spelled SAWNA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.172.165 (talk) 00:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is really the same thing. What you are describing is not a real mixture of French and English, but rather a way to make English sound French by those who don't know any French at all. That is why it is commonly found in American humour. --70.81.253.182 (talk) 04:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Le (noun)

message: I think it is necessary to make a dichotomy between occupational/casual-use Franglais and humorous/satirical Franglais.
Thus, I created the "faux-franglais" section, which I think more accurately describes sources like "La Petite Lesson en Franglais" and "Let's Parler Franglais!".
In my experience, students of either language consciously choose to ignore grammatic conventions and derive a sort of juvenile humor from mashing the languages up in interesting and highly-impractical ways.  I think it's a significant enough phenomenon to merit mention on the main article, though if someone thinks it should be moved to its own post, that's fine too.--Behemoth101 23:34, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there is a difference. Dan Carkner 16:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added "faux franglais" section 

message: J'accuse réception — I accuse the secretary.
"réception" is not "secretary" but "reception" as in "receiving".
"un accusé de réception" is a "return receipt".
"accuser réception" is "to send a return receipt".
24.37.160.221 18:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation error 

message: I would challenge the notion that the use of the term "chien chaud" is the result of immersion programs.  Chien chaud was used in largely French areas of Montreal for as long as I can remember.  I can't remember ever seeing or hearing a French speaker use the term "hot dog" instead of chien chaud... steamé maybe, but not hot dog.  Maybe the writer is confusing it with hamburger/hambourgeois nonsense in the '70s?  --Michael Daly (talk) 07:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree. "Chien chaud" is used by native French speakers along side "hot dog" in the region where I live (Gatineau, Québec). I think this may be an example of the difference between Canadian French and French French. --70.81.253.182 (talk) 04:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hot dog not chien chaud? 

message: I don't think this is a useful way to sturcture the article: franglais flourishes in bilingual societies. I will be bold and won't be at all offended if anyone comes up with some IMPROVEMENTS -- but the status quo is not good enough. BrainyBabe (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  French sense/English sense divide 

message: This is a joke, my French mates??! In English, "blue" means the same as melancholic and usually in bad psychic shape. Germans will laugh about that, because blue translates to German "blau" which - in colloquial German - actually means "drunk" or "boozed". ;) -andy 92.227.17.160 (talk) 02:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Flying Blue"? 

message: This is given as the correct use, but I'm more used to seeing des pieds jusqu'à la tête ... which should it be? Dlabtot (talk) 20:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what it is referring to, yes. Clearly it needs a rewrite, but I don't think I'm qualified. Dlabtot (talk) 01:09, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "de bas en haut" 

message: I'm French but I think that the statement claiming that K doesn't exist in French language is not accurate at all. While I totally agree concerning W, all the French words containing W being loanwords from English (even if some of them are not considered Franglais anymore, such as wagon), I think it's not exactly the case with K, even if it's still a very rare letter in unadulterated French. I'm almost sure words such as kaki, képi, kaléidoscope or kilomètre, just to name a few, are not English loanwords, they are, I guess, as legitimate in French as their similar counterparts in English. But now, take kermesse or kyrielle, for instance, these words don't even exist in English since their respective English translation are fair and stream, which are very different, meaning that some very rare native French words can contain this letter without being derived from foreign languages. By the way (even if I know it's not directly related), from what I know, the fact that there is a K in Dunkerque doesn't make this town any less French, does it?
--Floeticsoulchild (talk) 17:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: My Larousse 2003 says that kaki is derived from hindi, képi from  Alémanique, kaléidoscope from Greek (but it is a word that first appeared in English), kermesse is from Dutch, kyrielle from Greek.... Dlabtot (talk) 17:53, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

text: "This is clearly a borrowed word since native French words (like most modern Romance languages) do not use the letter K (or W)." I agree that statement is clearly not accurate: the double 'o' in 'look' make this word borrowed, not the 'k' (I'm french and I don't think there is any native french word containing a double 'o').--BiAiB (talk) 10:25, 31 September 2009 (GMT+1)
Anyway, French didn't come out of nowhere, it had to borrow words from Latin, Greek...so "native French words" doesn't make sense to me. What does it mean? (Tanynep (talk) 20:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "French sense" section 

message: I do not think the following sentence from the article is a very good definition: "Frenglish means a mangled combination of English and French, produced either by poor knowledge of one or the other language or for humorous effect."
I live in a bilingual area where Franglas is often spoken as the standard means of communication, not due to poor knowledge of English or French, or for humorous effect. The population is roughly 50% English, 50% French, so franglais is often the norm. --70.81.253.182 (talk) 04:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: The article says that "circular" (for US-English "flyer") in Quebec English is derived from the French "circulaire", but this usage of "circular" is (was?) used in British English for much the same thing.  I say "was?" because this use seems less common today than in the 1970s. 91.212.116.2 (talk) 15:53, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Circular 

message: It seems that there are a lot of references to Quebec French throughout the paragraphs on Franglais, despite a separate Quebec section claiming that Quebec French is not the same as Franglais. As Franglais is a phenomenon of mainland France, are all the parantheses about what goes on in Quebec really needed? They just serve to detract from the main article - keep Quebec facts in the Quebec paragraph! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.113.167.76 (talk) 15:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebec references 

message: This page is awful. The "sources" verify nearly nothing that is said in the page. It appears to be pretty much all original research and POV. I am inexpert in this topic and am so not in a position to re-write or make any substantial changes. I'd very much like to see it torn down and started from scratch to be honest.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Privateiron (talk • contribs) 21:58, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia really needs to start limiting the amount of words on these inane articles.  A simple definition is sufficient.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.133 (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it’s terrible. I’ve never heard the word Franglais used to describe the use of French words in English; only the other way around. Full of waffle and guff, repetitive and very badly organised. --☸ Moilleadóir ☎ 04:20, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terrible, terrible page 

message: The article seems to make the claim that frenglish is synonymous of franglais.  It also seems to keep completely silent the fact that it goes both way, and that there is also English-speaking minorities that does exactly the same, but with French words.
A few examples of Frenglish would be welcome, and perhaps a separate article could be written for that (it would be true as well for the french version of the article).  Perhaps this article is a little too much centered around France, as others have remarqued.  Anyway, for me Franglais and Frenglish are two differents things
Franglais: French mixed with many English words and constructs.
Frenglish: English mixed with many French words and constructs.
As an example, a native English speaker in province of Québec could say: "I am going to the dep" which is a shorthand from "dépanneur", the word used in province of Québec for Convenience store.
70.83.125.101 (talk) 21:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frenglish 

message: That word is official metropolitan, it's not a Franglais term. Not every word from a foreign language is perceived as slang. Languages evolve and there are loads of words of foreign origin in English not perceived as foreign. It's Quebec which is more conservative. This should be changed. --2.245.225.9 (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  le week-end 

message: Came across this article mentioning something called yaourter. I know this is not the same as Franglais, but since it probably does not deserve a new article, should there be some mention of it here? Nyth63 17:59, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Just came across the article [Pseudo-anglicism] which may be a better description of what yaourter means.  May still merit a mention in the see also section or given as an example of what Franglais is not. Nyth63 18:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yaourter 

message: For literary examples, I seem to remember Mother Haze spoke in franglais often, to Humbert's disgust. Perhaps that could be added into the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.30.220.227 (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lolita 

message: Paris 2024 bid English language only slogan 
English/French Eurovision song sparks French row]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.69.225.209 (talk) 01:09, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: February 2017

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message: As User:Privateiron said in 2012 in this section, "This page is awful."  That was back when the page was only 20kb of awfulness; now it's grown to 33kb, and it's even more awful. With not too much exception, this article consists of a massive amount of original research and unsourced assertions.
To some extent, this is understandable, because everybody feels like an expert in their native language (and sometimes, in others as well).  However, Wikipedia's core principle of verifiability is clear on this point:  and that   It should be noted that adding an inline citation consisting of a dictionary definition of one or both words in a French-English melange may verify each of their meanings, but does not verify their status as Franglais unless the source says so.  And it has to be in one source making the assertion: combining refs from two sources where one substantiates a portion of text as English, and the other source substantiates it as French, and neither says anything about Franglais is impermissible WP:SYNTH and does not verify the assertion.
There are two basic approaches to the situation: remove unsourced content, or roll back to an early version and rebuild.
The more conservative approach is to start removing content that is unsourced.  This may mean large chunks of text, including perhaps entire sections that are unsourced, which might result in chopping it all the way down to a stub.  
An alternative to cutting back, would be reverting to an earlier version and rebuilding. Sometimes, when so much cruft has been added to an article over the years that it's turned into an unwieldy monster, it may be far less painful to revert way back to an early version and build the article back up, almost from scratch, rather than try to scrape away at the endless barnacles that have adhered to the carcass over the years. I'm certainly open to this alternative as well, and seek feedback on it.  I suspect this may actually be the easier of the two paths to a decent article, but it's more radical surgery, and I'd want consensus on that plan before embarking on it. (The option of doing a major rollback as a way of improving an article does have support in Wikipedia policy; when I find the policy page that discusses it, I'll link it here.) 
Just to start off the discussion somewhere, I'd propose a rollback to revision 9533002 of  by . Your thoughts?  Mathglot (talk) 10:43, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Still a mess in 2024, and getting worse. Now we have an editor edit-warring to keep unsourced examples in the article, in section . This section should be sourced or removed. Mathglot (talk) 23:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research