Talk:E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)

message: Nobody knows if Zero is E-100 Alpha. IP recorded 0:17 (GMT +1), 28 February 2006
Read the note, unless you have a reliable site/source to prove that information wrong. Lord Falcon 00:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Zero

message: How can you be sure that all minor enemies (such as Boa-Boa or kiki) are given an E-something title. Maybe 'E' stands for Elite and this is why Gamma and Omega are so much better than the rest.
Beacuse I don't think Eggman would just skip to 100 in his robots. They also have numbers in Sonic X and that's all his robots so that proves it.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elite series

message: When foes it call him Gemerl? Isn't it G-Mel? He also shouldn't be E-122, because he's not a Greek letter. And he was created after Omega.Pokemega32 17:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: G-Mel

message: Didn't E-100 Zero used to have an article?  What happened to it? --anon
It wasn't needed. We don't even know if Zero is a e-series robot to begin with. Lord Falcon 03:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: E-100 Zero

message: Shouldn't we include the robots from the advance series are they not e-series or are they badniks.
I'll like to see the robots, give me a link, I'm not familair with the series. Lord Falcon 03:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Robots from the advance series

message: Seems like there's some mixed pronoun usage in here, referring to some of the robots as "he" or "it" almost randomly. It's not a big deal, but perhaps we should universalize them to be genderless. I know Gamma had a masculine voice (as well as a male voice actor), but the fact of the matter is that regardless of what electronic noise comes out, they're still supposed to be non-living robots. And, hey, the little pink bird inside the original E-102 (its only living component) may have even been female. Matt S. 18:11, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Genders?

message: I noticed that all the other E-10000s have capitalized letters (E-10000G, E-10000R, E-10000Y, E-10000B), but the orange E-10000 isn't E-10000O, it's E-10000o. Is this correct? I'm hesitant to change it, because I might be wrong. Can someone clarify which one is correct? RememberMe? 03:49, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ithink it's just like that so you can tell the difference between the 0 and the O.--Ac1983fan (talk • contribs) 21:56, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: E-10000o?

message: Do these seem to be E robots? It's hard to tell,actually. They're too large to be badniks...
P.S. Could sombody make it 7.0? It's not a part of Sonic X robots.
*They do not seem to be E-Series robots, as Mean Bean Machine is not canonical. Furthermore, they would all have to follow a basic design to be considered in the E-Series. Add this with the section's overall lack of neatness, and I think it constitutes being cut out of the article. I've done such myself, but if anyone contests this they may put it back. Evan1109
::Some folks may argue you to the grave about the "canonical" nature of certain Sonic games, as the general viewpoint of the more staunch Sega of America production fans is that anything licensed by Sega is "canon." On top of that, there is no rule saying that they need to follow a basic design to be considered an "E-series" robot, at least taking Sonic X into consideration. However, I strongly agree that removing them was the best course of action, though for a different reason: There's absolutely nothing in official documentation or otherwise that suggests any of them were E-series robots. None of them were named E-anything. Furthermore, if we take into consideration that the E most likely stands for "Eggman," and that he was referred to exclusively as "Dr. Robotnik" in Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine, it seems even less likely.
::This also leads me to believe that we should probably nuke most of the Sonic Heroes section as well, though. From what I can find, there's nothing that says the Egg Pawns or any other robots from that game are E-series, save for the E-2000s. Is there a source I'm overlooking? I know Google isn't exactly failsafe proof, but searching for E-1001 Egg Pawn, I only get one relevant result that isn't Wikipedia or a mirror. As such, I think I'm going to go on a bit of a deletion spree to get rid of some fanon. If anyone finds any official information to the contrary that supports their status as E-series 'bots, they'll be more than welcome to revert it. --Matt S. 04:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: E Series Mean bean machine robots

message: "Yet more believed-to-be but unconfirmed E-models appeared in the game Sonic Heroes"
Does this mean that all of the numbers (E-1001 Egg Pawn, E-1002 Egg Flapper, etc.) are pure speculation? --Matt S. 23:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So I figured. It's been corrected, now, anyway. By the way--Don't forget to sign your comments! It just takes four tildes. --Matt S. 18:15, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sonic Heroes E-1000 robots

message: Though I figure most everyone can tell by the above discussion, I just want to make sure it's known that this article isn't being senselessly destroyed or anything. I'm making some broad, sweeping changes in an effort to wipe out speculation and make this article something that's actually accurate, reliable information, and not fanon. I don't mean to offend anyone by deleting their hard work--I know that some of these enemies may seem likely to be E-series robots, especially since Sonic X made it appear that everything Eggman produces is "e-something", but the fact of the matter (as far as I can tell, anyway) is that there are just no sources that support it.
Again, I apologize for deleting so much writing, but this is just in the interest of having a truly encyclopedic article. If anyone has any disputes, input, commentary, sources that I've overlooked, or anything else, you're more more than welcome to discuss it here. The more we work together, the better we can make this otherwise inconsequential video game article into something worthwhile. --Matt S. 18:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sweeping edits and deletions

message: the e-series seems to have a lot of glitches, since gamma and omega didnt follow their programing, metal sonicalso seems to have a few problems. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anton the Swede (talk • contribs) 15:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  gitches 

message: I vote no, Gamma is a character of it's own, independent of the rest of the E-series. No merge, no reason to kill information.
Eriorguez 22:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who originally suggested the merge? Paul Haymon 02:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I turn my back for three seconds and someone merges the thing... why, who, when? Paul Haymon 11:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Gamma's importance is in the actual story, not outside of the series. All of the info on the page was either plot summary (one game needs two paragraphs at most, not ten), OR/speculation (personality, relationships, ect), or unsourced junk. The page was bloated beyond belief. The section here isn't that well written, but it summarizes what his role was in the game. That's all he needs. Sorry for not addressing your points before, but I assumed most people wanting to keep a page would have wanted to keep all of them, resulting in you going to another discussion. Nemu 18:06, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: All of what you just said is OR. We cannot use that as a basis for an article. I don't feel like typing out every policy this is against at this point, but there are at least four of them. Please just let this rest. Nemu 01:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge. 

message: i noticed that gamma doesn't have his own page anymore. i think someone should put it back up. omega has his own page but there isn't as much info for him as there is for gamma.
:Indeed, why does Omega have his own page while Gamma doesn't?  Surely Gamma is at least as noteworthy as Omega.  I was going to let this rest, but this user brings up a good point. Paul Haymon 02:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm kind of going both ways on this. First of all, Omega made a lot more appearences than Gamma. But now as I read the Omega page, alot of it can also be classified as OR but it has not been changed either. But then again, most of gamma's page was just describing the details of his story (not that I care, that was only to contradict the first user's statement of gamma's page having more info). I really don't know where to go on this. 24.15.53.225 03:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at Omega's article again, he does make more appearances than Gamma.  But it's slightly arbitrary anyhow, as Gamma's role in Sonic Adventure was as integral as anyone's.  Is there a guideline as to how many appearances constitutes "noteworthy"?  If you consider Gamma's old page as being mainly Original Research, then yes, Omega's page is basically such as well.  While it may not be the best move for Gamma's page to be restored, leaving the Omega page intact while Gamma gets a few short paragraphs in the E-Series article isn't right.  By the way, there better not be an article on Big the Cat, or I'm staging an uprising.  I'm only half kidding.  Those brackets better redirect me somewhere. Paul Haymon 05:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, they did.  At least that's the way it should be. Paul Haymon 05:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to propose a merger for Omega. I didn't bother because he seems to be notable, and is still around. He'll eventually be at the same level as Cream, so it seems pointless. Some of the stuff on his page is OR, but it could probably be salvaged. At this point, he is far more important than Gamma. Gamma was a one game character that was killed off. His importance and notability are just being over glorified by fans. Nemu 10:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to argue with you, but as you seem to be addressing me, I am not in favor of merging Omega into the E-Series article.  Nor am I in favor of the current situation of Gamma not being addressed properly.  I propose that Gamma receive, if nothing else, a more detailed description of his character and roles. Paul Haymon 04:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, you've been free to do so for a while. I hate when people complain about mergers, but don't even try to fix up the section. Nemu 10:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I might do just that. Paul Haymon 13:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamma 

message: TTN, why did you rv the 15.55, 10 April article as pointless? It brought up a lot of relevent information that hadn't been included in the article. It wasn't OR, and even if some of it was you could have easily deleted certain points rather than the entire thing. You seem to think only you know what should be included in Wiki. Other people check it through History and see if you find a problem with it.
*It added E-Series. E-01 from SA2 and the green robot from SB ARE E-SERIES. Look at the games yourself. Just because they are in cameos doesn't mean they shouldn't be included. The E-Series article would be incomplete without them.
*When you said we could refine the story, you were lying right? Relevent plot points were added such as why Eggman demoted his E-100s and basicly ALL of Chaos Gamma's storyline. Sure it makes the article long, but it is nessessary. If someone who hadn't played the game looked at this, it wouldn't make sense.
*Why is Other media not important? Because the games were here first? In that case we should delete ALL the TV/Comic articles. They are still liscensed by SEGA and even if they weren't, they are still notable products that deserve a mentioning. This wasn't a neutral compression. It was a games purist trying to pretend other continualities don't exist.
*Abilities actually was important. How else does "Gamma hovered" or "Beta locked on to Gamma" make any sense?
*Conception is impotant. It explains how and why a product is made. You expect to know how Sonic is made. Just because E-Series aren't as recurring doesn't mean it shouldn't be mentioned. Some of it may have been OR but the rest was relevent sourced information. And yes it was taken from the Gamma article but it still can refer to the rest of the E-100s. It isn't in any other article anymore. You deleted them!
This isn't the first time you've recieved a complaint. You have a large history of deleting and merging a lot of other people's hard work and have angered a lot of the public as a result. Think about it. Wiki is a PUBLIC encyclopedia. If a majority of the public doesn't think there is enough information, surely they must have a point.
I know you're just trying to abide by Wiki's standards, but you have your own limitations and opinions as how these standards are carryed out. You only think what is MOST important is important AT ALL, and everything else only deserves a few lines mentioning. That is over simplifying. Sometimes small things are what make major aspects important, and that can't always be explained in your "two paragraphs". Sometimes articles HAVE to be long.
Yes, Wiki can't feature everything on earth, but it still has to have something we don't already know. Otherwise, why else would people go on the site?
Oh, and about the Omega merge. Gamma has actually appeared MORE times than Omega:
*3 PLAYABLE APPEARANCES (2 intergal with story)
*1 CAMEO (and gameplay inspiration in SA2)
*3 ARTWORK CAMEOS
Also note that all his appearances are singular, not co-op or Amigo, etc.
Even at that though, I don't think Omega should be merged, at least not before say, Mina Mongoose and Space Colony ARK. This is ridiculous. Just because somethings applys to a group you think it no longer matters as an individual character. In that case, lets merge, Sonic, Tails and Knuckles' articles into a Team Sonic article. And lets delete personality, story aspects and SEGAs conception of them because they don't apply to the entire group and aren't apparent in every game ever made.(212.139.180.219 11:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The bulk of it seems to be unsourced OR. The rest is either pointless or junk. There may be some things worth readding, but the majority of it is not. Nemu 17:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NO MORE DELETING! 

message: I was expecting to find something talkinga bout Nokia phones here.  Mathiastck 23:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nokia phones 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
"E-Series" → "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)"
As can be seen in the header of the article there are at least 3 other things that can be called "E-Series". So, I propose that this page be moved to "E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)" and use "E-Series" as a disambiguation page.
Feathered serpent 02:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 15:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: You think it should be noted that Gamma could have been experiencing the Flicky that was inside of him feelings, the evidence I have for that is the fact that Gamma didn't accept to Amys plea until after the flicky went to him, plus the fact that in SonicX it looked straight at the bird and kept telling him to go, I think somehow the birds feelings somehow got through into Gamma.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gammas Heart? 

message: There all the exact same size (except E-101 mk II) when fighting them there all the same size, who is it who came up with these hieght differences.Fairfieldfencer (talk) 14:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-series hieght 

message: I am changing it to chi (Χ) Because that is what he is. It even says that in the article. why does it keep getting reverted?74.39.228.1 (talk) 22:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PHI