Talk:Tetraplegia

message: This article should say how this compares with Paraplegia. I don't know enough detail.
:Short, possibly oversimplified, version: paraplegia is from the waist down, quadriplegia is from the neck down. --Paul A 07:58, 19 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The introduction now does a slightly better job of defining quadriplegia as well as comparing it to paraplegia. Hananekosan (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison 

message: I would like to know if the condition of being tetraplegic or quadriplegic can not be fixed in principle, or if it could be fixed in principle but not in practice because medicine is not advanced enough yet? As I understand it, the nerves in the spine are cut and this is the reason why those patients can not move their extremities which are controlled by these nerves; I wonder if (a) through a form of "microsurgery" the severed nerves could be fixed together again? Or (b) if by use of microprocessors and wires, if it would be possible to "bypass" the severed sections of nerve? (I am not an MD so please excuse if my wording sounds a little naive). I do understand that nerves are extremely thin, that it is difficult to figure out which nerve before the "break" belongs to which nerve after it, but its' not like we are living in the dark ages, todays microscopes and surgical instruments are advanced enough that surgery on nerves should be possible I believe. so what is the reason why this condition can not be fixed? I think the article should mention that. also I would like to know because I have been wondering about this for years.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.230.134.160 (talk) 17:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible ways of treatment or if/why treatment is not possible 

message: Paraplegia says: "If the arms are also affected by paralysis, tetraplegia is the proper terminology."
Which also agrees with the article I got in email, which says: with a chest infection, a complication from a spinal cord injury he sustained in September, 2003 that left him a tetraplegic (paralyzed below the ribcage with limited use of his upper body).
~ender 2008-02-28 21:28:PM MST
Quadriplegia is the common american term for the condition.  In europe and medical circle it is known at tetraplegia.  
Quadriplegia from latin root quad meaning four and greek root plegia meaning paralysis.
Tetraplegia from greek roots tetra meaning four and plegia. 
The article should really be renamed. Ghym (talk) 12:26, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tetraplegic? and term definitions 

message: In some rare cases, through intensive rehabilitation, slight movement can be regained, as in the case of actor Christopher Reeve.
:Death does not mean cessation of notability. Viz Napoleon. JFW | T@lk 23:40, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed this line cause Superman is now in heaven. 

message: I've removed Wolfgang Schäuble from the list of quadriplegics, as the article says he was paralysed from the waist, therefore making him a paraplegic Graham 09:56, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wolfgang Schäuble

message: Is there a cure or treatment that you could give someone so that if they were quad that they would be able to move?
:Depends on the cause of the quadriplegia, but generally the answer is "no". JFW | T@lk 22:23, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hey 

message: Isn't he a paraplegic?  Kind of hard to play murderball without your arms, no?
:As the article mentions, being tetraplegic doesn't mean you have no use of your arms, it could be just partial loss. Indeed Mark Zupan must be tetraplegic as it is a requirement for wheelchair rugby, it was evidently one of the reasons for the invention of wheelchair rugby as the article discusses... Nil Einne 14:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The scene where he is getting dressed clearly shows that his hands are affected. Roger (talk) 18:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Zupan 

message: I edited this to say partial or complete paralysis from the neck down. Quadriplegia is a disability where all four limbs are affected, but it does not necessarily imply total paralysis. Mark Zupan, for example, is definitely a quadriplegic, although he retains some arm function.
One decent working definition, at least as it relates to spinal cord injuries, is that paras break their backs while quads break their necks. That is, someone with quadriplegia has sustained an injury to the cervical spine. This can lead to near-total paralysis à la Christopher Reeve if it is a high injury, but those with lesions lower down the cervical spine can retain some function in their arms and hands.  Eron 22:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not always complete 

message: Per Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons I removed the famous persons section since it was completely unsourced. Here is the diff  if people want to check it out and source those entries. Garion96 (talk) 02:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I really have a problem with this. Most of those people listed have articles on Wikipedia which clearly state that they are quadriplegic, and which reference that fact. For several of them, their notability is tied to their disability, and no one would dispute that they are actually disabled. What exactly is the issue with listing them here? - Eron Talk 03:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  If they have sources on the corresponding articles it should be easy to source them here. However the  tag has been on there for ages and no one sourced them. Besides, it's not really necessary to have a list of famous persons on the actual sympton page (IMO). Garion96 (talk) 03:57, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text:  I support Garion96's removal actions here, as do the three "nutshell" points in WP:VERIFY. Let's leave the issue of where to list the people for another time, though. Please restore only sourced names (and Wikipedia is not a source). WP:MEDMOS has some guidelines. Colin°Talk 20:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It is controversial to state that someone is a quadriplegic without sources. That's all. For some people Stephen Hawking is unknown but they are sure that person X is quadriplegic, but don't have a source for it and since Person Y also has no source why is it necessary etc etc.. It's so much better just to source it. If I had better computer access here I would find a source myself since it really should not be so hard to find a source for that. Garion96 (talk) 17:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My question is, why is it controversial? What is it about quadriplegia that makes it a controversial statement, more so than "Stephen Hawking is male" or "Stephen Hawking is white" or or "Stephen Hawking is British"? Please understand that I'm not trying to be difficult here; it's just that there seems to be a point at which a statement about a living person crosses a line and is considered controversial. I'm trying to understand where that point is. - Eron Talk 17:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not that easy to define. But I would think that stating that someone has a sickness or a physical disability is generally considered controversial. There is/was a discussion about it here. Garion96 (talk) 04:32, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous persons 

message: First of all, the anatomy and physiology of the spinal column is needed.  Roughly the neck is called the CERVICAL spine, the spinal verterbae attached to ribs are the THORACIC spine, and the larger vertebrae between the ribcage and the pelvis are the LUMBAR spine.
Second, the extent of injury and the immediate treatment absolutely predict the ultimate outcome in terms of the level of neurological impairment.  That is, almost NO spinal injury involves total obliteration of the spinal cord.  It is useful to think of the passage through all of the vertebral bones--called the foramen.  When one vertebra moves against another (an injury event) the displacement may damage the nerves of the spinal column.  Trauma care involves the immediate re-alignment of the vertebrae.  Greater mis-alignment and for longer periods predicts greater levels of long term, permanent impairment.  Keep in mind that there are vascular structures, as well, passing through the foramen, and misalignmnets will interrupt circulation, thus deteriorating normal neurological conduction of the afferent and efferent nerves of the spinal cord.
Thus, "recovery" from spinal cord injury has far more to do with the first minutes after a trauma event--subsequent treatments by physiatrists (physical medicine and rehabilitation physicians), rehabilitation registered nurses and physical therapists (physiotherapists) involve primarily management of the SCI (spinal cord injury) disability.  Even with full recovery, the initial days or weeks of impairment must be handled with meticulous competence to avoid corollary difficulty with urinary/kidney complications, pressure sore complications, and joint contractures.  The emotional management of the life-changing paralysis (since it is not known if it is a permanent or temporary disability) is important, as well.  Note that many trauma events are co-incident with significant human error and it could be argued that many SCI-ed persons might have played a larger role in preventing the injuries.  Thus, guilt and self-blaming are common responses of a notable percentage of patients.
Nerve impairment of the spinal column has an obvious relationship to all physiological functions below the point of injury, most notably bowel and bladder function (including a sense of "fullness") and sexual function, most easily noted in the unpredictability or absence of erectile function.
So, we have a lot of work to do here.
HomeBuilding207.178.98.45 14:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Absolutely major expansion of quadriplegia and paraplegia is needed 

message: This article only discusses SCI in any depth and completely fails to mention a number of significant causes such as multiple sclerosis, various types of distrophy, ALS, polio, etc. Roger (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes other than SCI 

message: I am by no means an expert in this area but I agree that there is a lot of work to be done on this topic. Just off the top of my head, the initial statement that quadriplegia is a "symptom" is inaccurate. It's not a symptom (something subjectively reported by the patient) at all. Additionally, there are issues with the concept of "complete" and "incomplete." According to the American Spinal Injury Association (ASIA) Classification guidelines, with SCI, the clinical definition of "complete" or "incomplete" has nothing to do with whether the spinal cord was partially or completely severed or is intact. A "complete" SCI means that there is no sensation at the anal spinchter; "incomplete" means there is. Being "complete" or "incomplete" can each occur when the spinal cord is wholly, partially, or not at all severed. But then there is also the difference between partial and complete paralysis, as the article presently touches upon. Somewhere (between this topic, the paraplegia topic, and any topics on the causes of tetraplegia and paraplegia), we should consider differentiating between these different meanings of "complete" and "incomplete." I agree that the article is very much lacking in information on non-SCI causes. Transverse myelitis also comes to mind.
This article (http://sci.rutgers.edu/index.php?page=viewarticle&afile=24_June_2003@SpinalLevels.html
) by Wise Young, Ph.D., M.D. helps to clarify some of the classification issues. It also covers the anatomy that someone already commented is needed in this topic. 
Tetraplegia is the correct, current term, BTW, so we should make that clear as well. Hananekosan (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the intro and the issue of quadraplegia/tetraplegia being described as a symptom has been fixed but these other issues still remain. I also updated the "symptoms" heading to "symptoms, signs and complications" as the section covers all three. Hananekosan (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Complete" versus "Incomplete" classification; "Symptom" and other issues 

message: If it is, add to the template. --CopperKettle 10:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: OMIM 603513 ? 

message: Also needs revision as "lesion" really only applies to injury to the spinal cord. As pointed out previously, non-traumatic causes need much more coverage in this article and this section is the logical place for it. More information on brain injury should be considered as well. Hananekosan (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Causes 

message: Should give a more balanced view of what tetras at various levels can do, such as drive with controls, work, and so forth.
Should cover rehabilitation, why it's so important, what CARF accreditation and being a Model SCI Rehab mean, what is taught (ADL adaptations, transfers, physical therapy...). 
Should stress the importance of physical therapy and exercise in helping to preserve bone and muscle mass, as well as a balanced view of the return of function that sometimes naturally occurs within two years of onset, as well as due to intensive therapy and exercise for higher and lower levels and those with varying degrees of damage. (Some of this information applies regardless of the cause of the paralysis, but some is particular to SCIs only so might be more appropriate for the SCI article.) Hananekosan (talk) 08:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prognosis 

message: Needs a section on current research on treatments, such as stem cell therapy or bionic limbs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.162.143.146 (talk) 03:46, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research 

message: I believe this article would benefit from having dietary recommendations for a person in this condition. Perhaps a caretaker is seeking dietary information for an individual who is lucky enough to be able to consume food via their mouth and/or recommendations for parental nutrition. For example, I would assume a sedentary lifestyle would require a great reduction in carbohydrate intake and an increase in protein. Are there certain supplements that a tetraplegic patient should be utilizing? Thoughts?PaulaY 01:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diet requirements for an individual with tetraplegia  

message: What's up with the "infobox" in the introduction? It doesn't look like it belongs there. Where is the beginning of the text that begins at the bottom of the infobox? "The loss is usually sensory and motor, which means that both sensation and control are lost." is not the first sentence of an introduction. I came here to check what tetraplegia is, and this is no help at all.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emicattt (talk • contribs) 12:34, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please fix formatting and missing information 

message: — Assignment last updated by DLEMERGEBM (talk) 19:04, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: WikiProject Medicine Fall 2022 UCF COM

message: This section contains minutia relating to spinal cord anatomy that inadequately describes a complete SCI in terms the public is familiar with and, to be frank, most physicians will also have poor familiarity with these terms. I will be looking for alternate terminology to use here in an attempt to make this easier to digest. I will also try to add more content that describes a complete SCI. The terms here are far more in depth than necessary and a picture would be massively helpful in understanding the referenced spinal cord anatomy.
--Tdaprano (talk) 18:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note on "Complete spinal-cord lesions" subsection