Talk:Arthur Scargill

message: How come there's no mention of Scargill's visits with and/or rhetorical support for Ghaddafi and various leaders of communist governments?  He was pretty much the George Galloway of his day... AnonMoos 20:43, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How come? Well if you can find evidence of this, do so and put it in the article. Wonder if you have got the point of wikipedia? -- 11:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Like it or not, his alleged Libyan and/or Soviet connections were very well-known and controversial in the 1980's, and it's faintly ridiculous that there's nothing about them in the Wikipedia article.  However, I should have said that he mainly gratefully accepted support from the Ghaddafi and/or so-called "Soviet workers" (apparently with rather little concern about ethical considerations or probable political consequences)... AnonMoos (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Foreign policy initiatives

message: It is not Ok to write sentences in the article along the lines of "many people think he was a criminal"!
He was accused of specific things which were tested in court or in NUm enquiries. The accusations and the results of these enquiries is NPOV. Johncmullen1960 04:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libel etc 

message: I'm looking for information about Scargill's positions on the Bullock Report and Workers' Control more broadly. I gather that Scargill opposed workers' control, but I don't have any information as to what his objections were based on. Any sources on this would be appreciated. -Father Inire 14:46, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have specific information on Scargill's position, but the debate usually revolves around: <eM>'there is no point in getting involved in so-called 'workers control' when the enterprise is still owned by the capitalists'</em>. So it's often a discussion around workers control versus workers ownership. If you don't own it, why get involved in running an enterprise that, by definition (if you take that point of view) exploits you. Scargill was originally in the Communist Party and would have taken a broadly Marxist view on matters like this. A Google search for "Scargill workers control" threw up some potential sources. - Dave Smith 18:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scargill on Industrial Democracy? 

message: The only family member mentioned in the article is his father. Can anyone add other family members or anything about his personal relationships etc? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 14:52, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Family and personal life

message: Mr Scargill was criticised for not holding a National Ballot for the strike. An explanation for this was made by miners involved in the Strike. One said; 'The problem Arthur faced was that many miners thought their jobs were safe and were unlikely to vote in favour of a strike. Arthur could see that the Conservatives only plans for the mining industry was to close it down. If he held a Ballot and lost it would have amounted to the Mining Union voting it's self out of existence'. For Mr Scargill to have held a Ballot it would have been a betrayal of everything he ever stood for and everyone he ever cared about in the Mining Industry and in Politics.Johnwrd (talk) 20:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cared deeply I would say. He was eventually told by the NUM that they were not there as his personal bank account (....and never was). During the 80s, strikers would die if he wanted them to do as such, and only recently would the NUM tell him to come back down on earth. They failed, and they needed a verdict from the Supreme court to confirm they had no obligations towards Arthur Scargill. He could call for the deaths of many miners, but he can't even get a flat in London free of charge. --Stat-ist-ikk (talk) 21:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Ballot. 

message: Arthur Scargills actions probably changed little. The British univerities, compared to the German, offered few places for studying mining engineering. Equally Fewer and fewer young men were willing to go down the pit, although open cast mining might survive.
It is a matter of record that during the discussion about the possible closure of a Kent coal mine, all the underground mine staff present wanted the mine to close. As one of them summed up the situation "I don't want any son of mine to have to go  down that pit". 
With the increasing use of oil and gas firing for power stations and fewer recruits etc deep mining was a dying industry. It is possible that the members of the Decomcratic mine workers union had already realised this and that a head on confrontation with the Thatcher government would only speed up the run down, which is what happened.
Add to these circumstances the total lack of public sympathy for the miners and the Thatcher government were always likely to win against the miners. During the miners strike was the now almost forgotten ambulance drivers strike. The Ambulance drivers did have the public sympathy, the Thatcher govenment realised this and rapidly settled this pay dispute.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 (talk) 09:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's total rubbish to say that there was no public sympathy for the miners during the strike. There was massive support, as witnessed by mass demonstrations and large amounts of money being collected in solidarity. The country was sharply divided between those supporting the miners and those supporting the government. It was the nearest thing to a civil war in the UK since the General Strike.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 07:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Judging by opinion polls, though, the majority of the public did not support the miners. As the strike went on, more and more people were alienated from supporting the miners due to their brutal methods.--Britannicus (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is purely your opinion. "Brutal methods" ? Five miners were killed in the strike, no policemen were. Which side was brutal?  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 13:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, what about the two miners jailed for murder after they killed a car driver by dropping a concrete block onto him off a bridge? Ben Finn (talk) 15:44, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever load of money Germany puts in on the coal industry, they are not as much efficient. Britain gears out say 8 or 9 percent of its proven coal reserves. Germany gears out half a percent. Dying industry indeed. --82.134.28.194 (talk) 12:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

text: This talkpage is for suggested improvements to the article, not for general discussions of its subject.FrFintonStack (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''A  dying industry'' 

message: As Honorary President, Scargill received generous benefits. These include £33,000 p.a. for the rental and running costs of a flat in London and various other benefits said to total £5000 p.a.
He is currently threatening legal action against the NUM for the withdrawal of some of these benefits.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.56.53 (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 

message: From the lede "he became one of its leading cadres"... Can an individual be a cadre? Tigerboy1966  11:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cadre? 

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message: The details about Scargil being a recluse are now out of date. He is currently involved with the Socialist Labour Party of Britain. 86.41.22.126 (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leader of the Socialist Labour Party