Talk:Miami Open (tennis)

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move. —Mets501 (talk) 16:09, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move? (Jan 2007)

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====Survey - Support votes====
#--Nitsansh 23:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, most people that I know refer to tournaments by their location, but that doesn't seem to be the norm here. The problem that I see with these 5 (and not other Masters tournaments) is that they are men and women tournaments, and the term Masters should be used only for the men's tournament. BTW, It's ridiculous to call the Cincinnati events one tournament, as they are a month apart in the calendar.--Nitsansh 02:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is your only objection, then perhaps you should instead suggest naming the articles, for example, the "Cincinnati ATP and WTA Tennis Tournaments."  But don't put the sponsor's name in the title.  I still would prefer to leave things as they are.  Tennis expert 04:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like Miami ATP Masters and WTA tournament would be more occurate IMO, but if you look for consistency, then all tournaments should be renamed _____ ATP or _____ WTA.--Nitsansh 02:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #--Nitsansh 23:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Support votes

message: #Strongly oppose. I am not sure why the move requestor believes that it is "common practice" on Wikipedia to name sports events after their sponsor.  For example, the Wikipedia article for the Australian Open does not have "Kia," the tournament's major sponsor, in the name of the article.  The moves would be a radical departure for tennis articles and are completely unnecessary.  Tennis expert 04:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, most people that I know refer to tournaments by their location, but that doesn't seem to be the norm here. The problem that I see with these 5 (and not other Masters tournaments) is that they are men and women tournaments, and the term Masters should be used only for the men's tournament. BTW, It's ridiculous to call the Cincinnati events one tournament, as they are a month apart in the calendar.--Nitsansh 02:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that is your only objection, then perhaps you should instead suggest naming the articles, for example, the "Cincinnati ATP and WTA Tennis Tournaments."  But don't put the sponsor's name in the title.  I still would prefer to leave things as they are.  Tennis expert 04:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something like Miami ATP Masters and WTA tournament would be more occurate IMO, but if you look for consistency, then all tournaments should be renamed _____ ATP or _____ WTA.--Nitsansh 02:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - Oppose votes

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message: I have been arguing with a user calling himself Tennis expert about the location and name of the Miami Masters. Here's my side on this issue:
The Sony Ericsson Open is just the sponsored name. The tournament's name is the Miami Masters. A few years back the Miami Masters was called the Nasdaq 100 Open. Sony Ericsson is just the current sponsor and has a contract that runs thru 2010 or 2011, not sure when exactly. And although the tounrmanet takes place at Crandon Park in Key Biscayne the WTA and ATP consider this a tournament that takes place in Miami and that's how they state it in all of their official media information (location wise).
 
Here's the proof for the skeptics out there: 
WTA Tornament Schedule: 
I don't really care what this guy thinks, I just want the location of the tournament corrected thruout wikipedia. Whenever the Miami Masters is listed it should include the location of Miami and not Key Biscayne.--190.10.76.226 (talk) 17:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name and location of the Sony Ericsson Open / Miami Masters 

message: Shouldn't this be the other way around, where 'Miami Masters' redirects to Sony Ericsson? Seems a bit weird to use 'Masters' when talking about the entirety of the event which includes a WTA tournament, which is a Tier One, not a 'Masters'. Seems a bit off, even though I understand the thinking. Alonsornunez (talk) 12:56, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect? 

message: The tournament name may be the Miami Masters (regardless of current sponsor), and I understand why the governing body and media may refer to the location as Miami, but it's not in Miami, it's in Key Biscayne. This situation is not unique to this tournament. The Buffalo Bills are named for the city of Buffalo, New York, but they play in the suburb of Orchard Park, New York. Neither the New York Giants nor the New York Jets even play in New York City or even the State of New York, both playing across the Hudson River in East Rutherford, New Jersey. While I understand the convenience of calling "Miami" the home of the tournament, in Wikipedia we should be using the actual location of Key Biscayne, Florida. Alansohn (talk) 18:16, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Key Biscayne vs. Miami 

message: Having quickly purused the extensive discussion of this article, I am hesitant to mention the resulting quality issues contained in the introduction.  The article title is "Miami Masters", but neither this name nor a reference to Miami are mentioned.  The introduction then concludes with a statement that it is "sometimes known as the Miami Masters".  The current version of the article is quite poor.  I know nothing about tennis, nothing about common usage, but consistency within this article is necessary.  Also, the table at the bottom refers to the Sony Ericsson Open.  I glanced at the Orange Bowl article and it seems to deal with the naming in a reasonable manner. 173.75.31.10 (talk) 00:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality Issues 

message: The issue with calling this page the "Miami Masters" is that the event is not the "Miami Masters". The tour would love for the tournament to be named this, but the truth of the matter is that if there were no title sponsor the event would not be the "Miami Masters". You may be asking how I know this. I have personally talked to the tournament director about the matter and he explained to me everything I have explained to you. If you don't believe me, feel free to contact the event staff. 128.180.160.137 (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Per most press sources it IS the Miami Masters. We don't use sponsored names because they change all the time. You're looking at a tournament that has been called "Winter Wimbledon", the "International Player's Championship", the "Lipton Championships", the "Ericsson Open", the "NASDAQ-100 Open", the "Sony-Ericsson Open" and the "Sony Open". Every few years the wind blows differently and it's why we try to stick to a common non-sponsored title, since the article must encompass all this name changes. We checked the sources and Miami Masters won. However, if you go to the individual yearly article on the tournament, such as the 2013 Sony Open Tennis, you'll see that the sponsored name is maintained for each year. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the issue with using sponsor-titles, but "Miami Masters" is an incorrect name. Like I said before, my source is the tournament director. It is a fairly common mistake to make and occurs so often that it is impossible to prevent. Even most press sources make this mistake. I can not remember the specifics, but there are specific rules or requirements for the event to officially be the "Miami Masters". Currently, the tournament has chosen to not take the steps to be the "Miami Masters". As far as I can tell, this is a point that was overlooked when the vote occurred. I just feel that this is a fairly important factor in determining what to generically call the event. For example, you would not call a Koala a Koala bear just because many incorrectly people do so. Again, if you believe that I am just making things up, you can just contact the event staff and ask for yourself. 128.180.160.137 (talk) 19:14, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the same thing has happened with the term Grand Slam. That's only for winning all four majors in a single season. Yet people and the press get it wrong and call one of the majors a grand slam. Because it's used that way, and we can source it that way, many of our articles are named that way. Miami Masters is a very common term for the tournament. If you can heavily source another non-sponsored name for the event, we will certainly look at it. But the event, when looking at all it's history, is certainly not the Sony Open. That is only the 2013 event and for 28 years it was something different. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, after the tournament ends I'll talk to the tournament director again and see if there is a preferred generic name. It may be "International Player's Championship" as that is what their caller ID comes through as, but I am fairly certain it is not. 128.180.160.137 (talk) 19:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

text: The problem has been that Miami Open was already taken at wikipedia by a prior short-lived defunct tournament. Since that has been moved there is no reason not to move this to Miami Open (tennis). I will do so. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name/Title issue again. 

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