Talk:Enosis

message: There are several problems with this page, not least the claim that the demand of the Greek population of Cyprus to unite with Greece –which was essentially anti-colonial at its very core– was "irredentist". I suggest you look the term up in dictionaries and Wikipedia's own page, because it does not apply to the case of Cyprus and describes something rather different. The population of Cyprus in its overwhelming majority (80-82%) was Greek. Inevitably, the anti-colonial sentiment and associated anti-colonial movement was naturally interlinked with the strong desire of the overwhelming majority of the population of the island who saw a unification with Greece as the natural outcome of self-determination. Greece did not actively "seek to reclaim lost territory" in the case of Cyprus, as it did for example in Smyrna. Greece simply supported the struggle and basic human right of Greek-Cypriots for self-determination. The 1974 coup d'etat was not carried out by the legitimate Greek or Cypriot governments, but by the illegitimate junta regime in Greece at the time, supported by a minority of Greek-Cypriot extremists/terrorists. Therefore, their condemnable actions cannot be considered as the diachronic official policy of Greece (or the legitimate government of Cyprus for that matter), simply because the Greek junta was an unelected, unconstitutional and illegitimate military regime, and because of that its leaders were later thrown in jail. Not only the 1974 coup d'etat was not supported by the majority of Cypriots (Greek and Turkish), but it was condemned and many Greek Cypriots died defending the legitimate government and constitution. The "irredentist" claim in the introduction and elsewhere therefore needs to be removed and the article needs to re-focus on the actual struggle of Cypriots for "enosis" and self-determination prior to the 1960 constitution and establishment of the Republic of Cyprus, rather than linked to a long history of unrelated or only marginally related events. The description of the struggle of Cypriot people for their basic human right for self-determination as "irredentist", is nothing more than a biased, colonialist-apologetic and pro-Turkish narrative that does not in this case accurately describe historical events.
46.251.117.65 (talk) 21:04, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Irredentist"  

message: Coming here from Corfu, where "Enosis" is used as meaning "joining back with the larger Greece", using the word's general meaning "union".  
It is difficult to see a cross-section of usages for this word. When one starts doing so one wonders why Enosis doesn't instead point to Greek football!
::822  site:en.wikipedia.org "Enosis"
::562  Enosis +"football"
::503  Enosis +"club"
::332  Enosis +"paralimni"
::276  Enosis -"football"
::238  "Enosis" -"club" -"football" -"paralimni"
To see non-football and non-Cypriot usages one has to use 
:: 40  "Enosis" -"club" -"football" -"paralimni" -"cyprus" -"cypriot"
Now if you want to just point to the number of occurrences, to justify eclipsing the meaning to only one usage, fine, but then I'd say the article should be about football clubs or political parties.
I am disturbed that this article has become "owned" by one particular political movement, certain of their own overriding importance.
Look at a few articles, seeing how they use 'Enosis':
::Cretan Revolt (1866–1869)
::Macedonian Struggle
::Euclides Kourtidis
::Talk:Icaria
::Theriso revolt
Look at how the word is used in these articles.  Look at how the last article is linked to this article, which has very little to do with the Cretans struggle or the general subject.
One group has decided to throw away the 'meaning' of all previous struggles for Enosis, by any other Greeks, in favor of their own 'importance'.  I see quite too much of people saying "that's old news, who cares about that old history".  That is what is happening here.
That this article regarding a general term with much more meaning and history lacks balance is unfortunate.  That it lacks respect is obvious.  That one group of Greeks doesn't see that is a tragedy.  24.28.17.231 (talk) 21:38, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enosis is...  meaning or political movement, or disrespect? 

message: The church organised a vote amongst Greek Cypriots to demonstrate to the British authorities and the world that they wanted union with Greece. Where are the sources to show that this was illegal ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HelenOfOz (talk • contribs) 08:00, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RE :  the Church proceeded to organize its own illegal referendum 

message: Substituted at 14:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: The movement advocating for the union of Southern Italy with Greece is marginal even among southern Italian separatists, making it a fringe of a fringe movement. It is an idea foreign to most southerners or Greeks, utterly irrelevant in Italian or Greek politics -past and present, unlike irredentism in Cyprus or the Ionian Islands-, and no different from a billion other amateurish fringe online political movements in Europe that rightfully are ignored on wikipedia due to a lack of encyclopedic notability.
Why then does this objectively irrelevant minority movement get such a large section in an article that otherwise deals about issues that have been far more important to Greece in both their popular support and historical impact? 93.34.34.64 (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southern Italy