Talk:George C. Marshall

message: Is the article it reads:  "Marshall resigned his post of Chief of Staff in 1945, but did not retire, as regulations stipulate that Generals of the Army remain on active duty for life." but I can't find that supported anywhere.  Can someone cite a reference for the "active-duty for life" factoid?  The public law that enacted the 5-star rank talks about people retiring as a 5-star: http://www.nightscribe.com/military/public_law_482.htm so I can't see that they are required to remain active-duty.  The marshall foundation lists him as retiring in 1945: http://www.marshallfoundation.org/about/chronology.html
His bio on the Nobelprize.org says the same, but the Army history site http://www.history.army.mil/faq/marshall.htm says he retired in 1947.
Can anyone clarify better?  Thanks.  --Ylevardi (talk) 13:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It can't be referenced because it's not so. The law making the rank permanent in 1946 stipulated "full pay and benefits for those on the retired list". Prior to that (a period of about 16 months) the rank was temporary but anyone retiring was eligible for 3/4 pay and benefits. The rank was "permanent for life", but the rest is a myth. Marshall and Hap Arnold, both 5-stars, had a five-dollar bet over who would retire first, made in August 1945.--Reedmalloy (talk) 10:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement vs. resignation 

message: I have never in 40 years of reading history seen George C. Marshall referred to as just plain George Marshall until I came across this Wikipedia article looking for the skinny on George Marshall, the movie director. Please change it to George C. Marshall! It's like calling Joe E. Brown "Joe Brown." It's just not done.
Well, now: I've run that one up the flag pole. Anyone care to salute it?Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 03:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, he is refered to as both George C. Marshall and George Marshall. For example . However, I would agree with you 100 percent that he is more commonly refered to as George C. Marshall. This article should reflect that. Wallie (talk) 17:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  His name is George C. Marshall not George Marshall 

message: I am once again adding the location of Uniontown to the article.  Uniontown is and has been for at least 30 years a suburb of Pittsburgh, to find the site today of countless memorials to George Marshall one would need to fly into the Pittsburgh International Airport drive past the burial ground of Gen. Braddock and Ft. Neccessity both results of the Battle for Pittsburgh in the 1750s and arrive very close to Fallingwater, the country home of a Pittsburgh industrialist, since of course Uniontown is in the "Pittsburgh countryside" at least to civic leaders and industrialists from the 1920s and 1930s.  Interesting in hearing other views on this, I am not aware of any others than several Pgh industrialists, Neilsen media market definitions and the U.S. Census Bureau metro definitions.Hholt01 07:13, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniontown

message: 

The preeminent expert on the history of racism and anti-Semitism in the U.S. military, Professor Joseph W. Bendersky of Virginia Commonwealth University, has written The 'Jewish Threat': Anti-Semitic Politics of the U.S. Army; Basic Books, 2002) in which he assess that Marshall called his African-American soldiers "darkey" and was "hostile to integrating the army, warn[ing] that such proposals were pushed by the Communists".(pp.309-310) 
He also gave orders for a national speaking tour of U. S. military personnel made by Major Percy Black;  This speaking tour was intended to spread a benevolent image of nazi Germany and deny any report of atrocities form them (pp.276-278)
Marshall was also a devoted follower of General George Van Horn Moseley who publicly tried to organize a national U.S. branch of the worldwide nazi/fascist movement;  
Marshall continued to give Top Secret data to Moseley until at least 1940 (pp.249-255, 309)
The David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies, 2005 http://www.wymaninstitute.org/letters/2003-11-13-wp.php
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Chupper 01:42, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First, Bendersky is a professor at a 3rd rate institution and hardly the "preeminent" expert on anything.  More to the point, the inclusion of this section violates WP:NPOV#Undue_weight guidelines in regard to minority opinions. --Strothra 15:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronazi Views on the Eve of World War II

message: I think this article should have a link to the USS George C. Marshall article, but I'm not sure where the best place to put it would be.  JNW2 15:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added it to the "See also" section where related Wikilinks generally go.--Strothra 15:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USS George C Marshall

message: A strange sentence, after the description of his death: "Like Eisenhower, he is recognized as a great American soldier despite never actually seeing combat."
He was in France during WWI.  What exactly does "never actually seeing combat" mean?  If you were in a leadership position in the Army in France during WWI, what exactly would be required for you to have "actually seen combat"?  Would you have to be wounded to "actually see combat"?  Or would it be sufficient to serve as an officer in a platoon at the front?  A company?  A regiment?  A division?  Would you have to actually see somebody being bayonetted to "actually see combat"?  Or would it be sufficient to see an artillery barrage?
Carl Gusler 18:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Silver Star was not issued until 1932 as I recall, when Doug McArthur instituted it.  Before that, a small silver star was put on the campaign ribbon, which was later upgraded to the full medal in 1932.  Silver Stars are political--President Lyndon Baines Johnson received a Silver Star in WWII for being a passenger on an airplane, for instance.  Marshall may have got his small silver star in the Phillipines, later had it upgraded, or maybe he got it in WWI.  Does anybody know just exactly what he received his Silver Star for?  50.202.81.2 (talk) 02:02, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Weird Sentence and Combat Record

message: What about my edit earlier today referencing Henry Stimson's regard for and Truman's vigorous defense of Marshall? These statements reflected the POV of those parties and were sourced accurately. Was this a robot that reverted my edit? I would like to include this information somehow.Russell Abbott 05:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: McCarthy's attack

message: george catlet marshall had a big family whith the bensens who owned half of san antionio and a dariy farm he had a big family the marshalls today have a ehe lectrision servie called marsxhall 2008 next owner will be in 2015 name thomas c marshall  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.183.132.19 (talk) 22:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  family 

message: Does anyone know what his religious beliefs were and should they be included in his infobox as religion is sometimes included in biographies? Invmog (talk) 23:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: What Was His Religion and Should it be Included in the Infobox?

message: To qualify, I am an expert on neither Marshall nor McCarthy, and I am a Wikipedia noob.
As a casual reader of this page, I was startled to see the reference to McCarthy's criticism of Marshall.  I am certain that a great many people have said a great many things about Marshall, and I do not see why McCarthy, who is a very risky source of truths regarding the competence or loyalties of any person, gets his particular say on this page.
I question whether it is even NPOV to insert McCarthy's opinion on this page.  Why should a respected figure have to have a section on his page reminding us of some politically motivated attack by a man who has been thoroughly discredited?  The presence of the comment on the page is much more about McCarthy, and McCarthyism, than it is about Marshall.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucemo (talk • contribs) 04:29, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: sure it's NPOV. McCarthy deserves to have his opinions and criticism aired as much as others, perhaps more so given how high profile a guy he was at the time. IMHO it's unfortunate that the article does not incorporate criticism from other people as well. It reads too adulatory to my taste, almost like hagiography. 76.119.30.87 (talk) 05:23, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who cares what McCarthy thinks 

message: The signature appearing under his picture does not appear to be his, but that of an actor named George E Marshall. The link given on the image page certainly suggests this, and it looks more like an E than a C when you look closely at the signature--RedMe (talk) 00:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not his signature 

message: The site seems to be down for good, and since I don't know how to use WayBackMachine or something, I can't access that exact same file or data. But I found an audio of the speech on YouTube (CC-BY license) and an official OECD transscript of the speech given (i.e., not the script he used to hold the speech) here. As I am not certain how exactly standards are within this Wiki project, feel free to make the necessary corrections to the article with these Links (or better ones). Glad to help (if so...! ^__= ); Regards, --Klingon83 (talk) 19:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ERP / Marshall Plan: The link to [http://www.georgecmarshall.org/learn/index.asp?L=17 this site] (ref#28, currently) does not work any more. 

message: sorry if there's something I don't understand about links
Benvhoff (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orson Wells name needs to be linked 

message: Hi, couldn't help noticing that this page has listed "Elizabeth Carter Cole" as Marshall's first wife's name (both in the background side-blurb under "Spouse" as well as in the "Family" section.)  However, if you utilize the picture provided of Marshall's own grave and tombstone, you will find this his wife's correct name as well as her mother's name (both buried together with George) is listed as "ColeS," not "Cole."  Therefore, please remedy this error as I am not registered to do so.  Thanks!114.158.149.78 (talk) 10:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  His first wife's family name was "COLES," not "COLE" 

message: Among these documents was a report critical of Marshall for his delay in sending General Walter
 Short, the Army commander in Hawaii, important information concerning a possible attack on
 December 6 and 7.
and
 The report noted that once General Marshall received information about the impending attack,
 he immediately passed it on.
Don't these two sentences, in the same paragraph, contradict each other? If the first is regarding input and the second refers to a conclusion, it might be clearer if the first were worded "...a report unfairly critical..." or "...a report mistakenly critical..." <B>☺</B> Dick Kimball (talk) 19:00, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Analysis of Pearl Harbor intelligence failure 

message: I have started a discussion at Talk:Omar Bradley#Years of Service suggesting that the "years of service" in the InfoBox for Gen. Bradley (and as its a similar case, Gen. Marshall) reflect the time they were in their rolls as military officers and not effectively retired but still receiving their active duty pay.  Please join the conversation there if you have thoughts on the matter (best to have the comments in one place).  --John (User:Jwy/talk) 02:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years of Service 

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message: I have attempted to nominate this page for B-class military history, however, the article is missing many citations. The first three paragraphs have no citations whatsoever, so I would appreciate some help in adding more citations! Thanks all! User:Billmckern General George Marshall (talk) 14:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations Needed 

message: I've moved this sentence here from the article for discussion.  An anonymous editor (104.247.235.40) added the comment in the article itself (also removed from the article).  Do we have more authors?  Do we have source for the "utter failure" part?
104.247.235.40 says:
Some authors think that World War II could have ended earlier if Marshall had had his way; others think that such an invasion would have meant utter failure.
The article had:
"The link provided is to 1 author, not authors plural. It also doesn't seem to mention anything specific about an early D-Day meeting ending in diaster. Please investigate and revise this sentence."
--John (User:Jwy/talk) 21:31, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  World War II could have ended earlier 

message: I would like to raise a few quesitons about Marshall's DSM citation under the section "World War I":
1. The source ("militarytimes.com") doesn't seem too reliable.
2. Typographical errors: In the section listing Marshall's postings, following "Chief of Staff of the 8th Army" the dates read "20 November 1918 to 15 January 1918" which is obviously impossible.
3. When Marshall was awarded the medal in 1919 there was no World War II yet, therefore making the use of "World War I" in the citation unlikely.
4. Isn't the battle usually written as "Saint-Mihiel" instead of "St. Mihiel"?
I'd be grateful if someone could clarify. Edwardtsai05 (talk) 02:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distinguished Service Medal citation