Talk:Kempler video

message: People keep removing my add references notice. The notice was designed to help this article by asking people to add reliable sources for the page. To see how references should be presented see A. E. J. Collins (or any other featured article.) Frankly, until it is properly referenced nobody is going to take this article seriously. A couple of websites and a single book is not good enough for an article that will generate so much controversy! --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 10:26, August 23, 2005 (UTC)
*JiFish: What "references" would you like? A "blessing" from a New York Times editorial or reporter for example? Or a book by Shimon Peres's biographer? Or maybe an official press release from the Israeli Knesset? Frankly, you are not making any sense because this is a known video that was shown on Israel's state-run TV and certainly and factually exists. What to make of it's contents is a whole other question/puzzle, but there is no need to freak out and run from it becuase it records the suspicious murder of a Prime Minister of Israel under murky circumstances. Stay calm and don't get panicky or fidgety. IZAK 10:40, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: he.wikipedia spells it :he:וידאו, not וידאיו. (vide'o, not videyo)  I still cannot find the hebrew article. The hebrew article on Yigal Amir does not mention Kempler either.    Possibly because Hebrew speakers are better informed and immediately delete it?  -- Aleph4 11:07, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

text: IP editors are showing up and trying to promote all sorts of conspiracies, including Wikipedia editor conspiracies, and using the exact same language as one-issue editor User:Kempler video.  Really weird. Jayjg (talk) 17:13, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Please note that except for User:Kempler video there is also a User:Kempler Video with an upper-case V, pushing the same POV. Indeed weird. gidonb 17:22, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Well well, Kemple video comes up with a 'picture of Yigal shooting right handed'. However if you look at it you will see that Yigal Amir does not shoot in that picture. Just another fable out of many. This is how urban legends are being build. gidonb 12:20, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

text: Perhaps Mossad is behind it all; what do you think? Jayjg (talk) 20:38, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Shabak (under Carmi Gillon), not the Mossad, takes a leading role in this theory. Mossad theories are rather favored by the anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists. You're not Shabak, are you Jay?! ;) HKT talk</font> 20:55, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I see; so gidonb and I are in the pay of Shabak, then? Jayjg (talk) 20:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In their pay? By your wiki-medals, I'd say you must control the Shabak from behind the scenes! In any event, I don't know whether you'd consider such an accusation as a personal attack. :/ HKT talk</font> 21:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  References! 

message: Survived Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Kempler video. mikka (t) 20:49, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: VfD

message: The article doesn't discuss the Shamgar Commission's conclusions about the video, nor does it mention Chamish's conclusions (and why they allegedly anger Amir). Additionally, the article should mention that this video and the conspiracy theories surrounding it have been hot topics for years in right-wing and independant Israeli news sources with extensive circulation, such as Makor Rishon (circulation ~190,000) (and that the video conspiracy discussion is certainly not solely, nor even primarily, Chamish's domain). HKT talk</font> 16:26, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the sideburns issue has been discussed years ago, so it's not new. If you want to add that as a bullet, feel free to do so. Nevertheless, your editing must be in-line with Wikipedia's guidelines, specifically the one about no original research. To clarify that policy: Wikipedia may consider information "original research," even if you know that the info to be true and obvious, when that info has not been confirmed by a source widely accepted as authoritative. In short, all information that you have about the video can only be presented as a claim, and can only be included if it has been gained notoriety somewhere. I don't know what the circulation is for Barry's books, but it might be significant enough to meet the standards of notoriety required to present his claims, even if they haven't been addressed elsewhere. You should know that I'm not joining a battle against the two editors you mention. I know from experience that they respect Wikipedia's policies, and they will not revert your changes if you follow the rules. While the rules aren't without their downsides, they are designed to diminish bias in Wikipedia articles. Whether the rules successfully accomplish that goal is a matter of opinion. However, the rules must be followed because if someone doesn't follow the rules, he can expect his edits to be reverted. HKT talk</font> 17:36, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: David, if you don't want this reverted, you should find a poll (or some other source) that indicates that it is true. I recall reading about a poll taken a couple years ago that indicated that (at that time) around a third of the Israeli populace didn't believe the official story about the Rabin murder. I don't recall who took the poll, and I'll leave the research up to you. HKT talk</font> 04:21, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Online polls are unscientific, and in any event not believing the government report doesn't mean one believes the Rutstein version. Jayjg (talk) 17:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Hey Jayjg, sorry I could not spend more time with you. But I am really making news here in Israel. I am attempting to break a censor that no one has succeeding in breaking for almost 10 years.  I sort of figured out what media outlets are willing to break the censor.  It is Rotter.net and a few others so I am supplying them with news. Sandwich signs that state that Shimon Peres gave the order to murder are really good photo shoots.  The photos make the front page. I am sueing Shimon Peres for slander and Shimon is not sueing me.  Really wierd. As well online polls are not so great. They, in fact are terrible.  The official policy of the media is not to bring up any doubt on Rabin murder at all. So no public polling exists on any media source except www.rotter.net.  Jayjg, all people who investigate Kempler video, Rabin murder, etc all come to the same conclusion. It may be the hebrew stuff that is not all translated but feel free to call me anytime.  This may be a blanket statement but sometimes the blanket fits.
Kempler video (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "much of the Israeli public" 

message: Please remember, that when there is a dispute, it is important to engage in discussion at the talkpage.  Don't just battle it out in edit summaries.  Thanks, Elonka 22:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a content dispute, it's a copyright issue. I've raised it at AN/I as well, but unless the editor in question stops, I'll likely be blocking or protecting next. Jayjg (talk) 01:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree with Jay that we shouldn't link to that particular YouTube video unless Kempler somehow confirms that it was he who uploaded it. Anyone could have uploaded it claiming to be Kempler.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 01:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you, but I am sure that Kempler uploaded his YouTube videos.Video777 (talk) 00:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I, Roni Kempler, hereby confirm that the YouTube videos were shot by me and uploaded with my approval. Relpmek (talk) 13:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit warring (The photographer at YouTube)

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