Talk:Fatima (disambiguation)

message: ====Support Move :Fatima (disambiguation) → :Fatima ====
* Yes jnestorius(talk) 16:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The town is Fátima in Portugese, but not usually in English; we have Our Lady of Fatima, not Our Lady of Fátima. jnestorius(talk) 07:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: * Yes jnestorius(talk) 16:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support Move [[:Fatima (disambiguation)]] → [[:Fatima]] 

message: * No jnestorius(talk) 16:19, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The town is Fátima in Portugese, but not usually in English; we have Our Lady of Fatima, not Our Lady of Fátima. jnestorius(talk) 07:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support Move [[:Fatima Zahra]] → [[:Fatima]] 

message: Trying for a more centralized discussion to resolve the ambiguity of having pages titled  and , both of which names can refer to , the daughter of Muhammad, as romanized versions of the same name in Arabic (فَاطِمَة). A proposal at  to disambiguate the title of  found no consensus, with several users saying that  should redirect to  as the primary topic. Meanwhile a proposal at  to do just that and rename  as  was rejected. Please indicate which of the options below, if any, would clear up the confusion of names:
* Make  the primary topic and rename  as ;
* Keep the disambiguation page at  and make the title of  less ambiguous (for example as );
* Do nothing; leave the existing titles in place.
—Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:56, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree with you. --Mhhossein talk 08:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment: ''Fatima'' or ''Fatimah'' 

message: *Oppose. This was already rejected in the RM above, #Requested move 22 November 2017. Let's not relitigate it. TJRC (talk) 05:06, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Make {{xt|Fatimah}} the primary topic

message: * I support this option. Admittedly, Islamic history is not my strong suit, and it might be the case that she may rarely be referred to in this way, but such a change would make it much less anbiguous what the topic of the article by that name is. John Carter (talk) 23:28, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguate {{xt|Fatimah}}

message: * Support It is acceptable, albeit confusing to have the current situation. For whatever reason sadly your two proposals failed to resolve this problem, and I think that the current to nothing would be best for the time being. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 23:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Do nothing

message: *Note: this user is attempting to re-start the same move request, merely few days after it failed at Talk:Fatimah#Requested move 23 November 2017. I think it is too soon to make the same request again. Khestwol (talk) 13:40, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I Agree with you. --Mhhossein talk 08:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Other suggestions

message: According to the disambiguation guideline, we shouldn't include links that have the page title as part of a longer proper name if there is "no significant risk of confusion". It seems unlikely that , being a title of the Virgin Mary (and the various churches and other institutions with this title) would ever be referred to simply as Fatima; I would suggest moving at least the named institutions to a separate  page, similarly to how the various institutions named after Thomas Jefferson are listed at  and not . Other proper-name titles such as  and  should also be moved or removed, for the same reasons. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 14:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Indeed closer adherence to WP:PTM might remove several other entries too, eg Fatima Khel Kalan, Sanctuary of Fátima, most of the schools and hospitals, The Fatima Mansions ... Batternut (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

text: I agree.  would be more appropriate for See also. Eperoton (talk) 02:29, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agree. Clean Copytalk 15:44, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

text:  Agree Seanbonner (talk) 05:32, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

text: Proposed changes made. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Our Lady of Fátima 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Fatimah which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 18:02, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress