Talk:The Turn of the Screw

message: I wonder whether New Criticism should be mentioned so prominently in the opening of this article, and I have already taken the step of removing the line to the effect that "new critics allege the story challenges the reader to determine whether the governess is mad; however, his letters suggest it really is just a ghost story" or whatever; it was better than that but there was nothing cited to support the claim about James's letters, and furthermore 1. the story really is clearly intentionally ambiguous on this issue - it's not like James set out to write a simple ghost story and the New Critics got it all mixed up for everyone forever by over-interpreting - which is what the line might have been taken to mean; and 2. in any case, these issues, which are manifestly contentious, require a more subtle and well-referenced discussion than can be done in the opening paragraph; and therefore I suggest that perhaps New Criticism be mentioned as one of the critical schools that have been concerned with James's story, without, however, making pre-emptive judgments about the validity of its claims; and, as a sidenote, that question, broached elsewhere, of whether queer or pederastic readings of the Turn of the Screw should be made note of, is not so peripheral as the replies to that discussion topic would suggest, but rather than stating something like "Miles may have been touching little boys...etc." it would be far preferable to say perhaps "certain critics have brought up the issue of such and such" with particular citations specified, in which case the additional remarking of these themes would be quite appropriate. (68.198.181.134 (talk) 04:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Criticism in the opening 

message: Was he American?  ... ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.141.196.252 (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: Doesn't "The Others" owe something to TotS, too?  TREKphiler hit me ♠  19:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wednesday Addams

message: I could find no evidence for a movie named "Turn" that "will be released in May 2008", so I removed it. The list of adaptations is probably incomplete anyway.
Added "The Others" though I couldn't find a source that said it was written based on  TTotS though the article on The Others says this is true in part. Donimo (talk) 21:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adapations section 

message: I'm not sure why there's the reference to Deadwood in this article.  Unless a clear connection can be made between the two young characters in the TV series and the novella can be made, I find the allusion to be erroneous.  It could just as easily be an allusion to a number of Charles Dickens stories...  I'm removing it. Kirkesque (talk) 05:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Allusions in popular culture

message: I've read the story; I've taught the story; despite James' elaborate framing technique and the numerous controversies about the novella, I maintain THE GHOSTS ARE REAL.  AND THEY'RE SCARY.  PERIOD.
MacLennan123Maclennan123 (talk) 00:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ghosts in "The Turn of the Screw" 

message: The ghosts are real.  And they're scary. Period.
Maclennan123Maclennan123 (talk) 01:54, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Ghosts in "The Turn of the Screw" 

message: James was born in America, but he eventually settled in England.  In 1915, he became a British citizen because he thought America should have entered WW I sooner than it did.  James died in 1916; America entered the war in 1917.
Maclennan123Maclennan123 (talk) 01:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henry James' Nationality 

message: This section, like every other "Major themes" section appended to an otherwise adequate article, appears to consist largely of subjective interpretation and original research disguised as a synthesis of unspecified sources.  It also is riddled with weasels.  It needs major cleanup, merging with the following section on literary significance, or complete deletion.  If any of it is kept, it needs to be sourced.  I placed the "synthesis" template, but I did not place the multiple "who?" templates. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 00:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Major themes" 

message: I have a lot of knowledge about this book, and I think it’s a fairly straightforward path to bring it up to GA. The coverage of books like this is pretty shocking, so I'd really like to help. Just reaching out to see if there's any active watchers of this page who would be interested in assisting. I should be making my first changes over the next few days — first tackling the section on criticism. It’s what needs the most work. This book has a fascinating history of reception because it is so well-documented and the boundaries are so clear. The plot section looks mostly okay to me, but there are some problems with it which I'll get to. ImaginesTigers (talk) 21:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to GA 

message: Removed the additional reading heading, but preserving the citations themselves here in case they are useful:
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ImaginesTigers (talk) 17:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preserving some sources 

message: I've nominated the article for GA. There's a few things I still want to change, but they won't take very long, and this process can be quite protracted. They wouldn't result in a fail, in any case. I'd like to thank (I think)  for being so rigorous in keeping Adaptations in a good place. I'm glad it didn't devolve into a list, and that everything is so well-sourced. If anyone has anything to say about the article — key omissions, for example — let me know! ImaginesTigers (talk) 17:10, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi there, Oulfis! I'm so sorry it took so long for me to reply—I just didn't catch this until now. I'm not sure if it was there when you posted your comment, but this is in the Early reception section:  Is this the part you thing was vague, or have I since changed it? Again, sorry for the delay, and thanks for the kind words! It really was a labour of love—I really like this story. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 03:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Nomination 

message: I read Turn of the Screw as a dark comedy.  The little boy is our sly Mr. James.  The governess is hypersexualized.  I dont think we need to add pederasrty or any other dark elements about the kid.  She's the bad apple. Because of her Victoria sensibilities gone wild but still kept under wraps.   She would love the attention of the handsome master, for example.  The death of the boy at the end is hilarious to me.  And I think it was to Henry James as well.  It was too extreme to be a serious story on that count.  Moreover it lent ridiculousness.   Thank you. 208.126.44.104 (talk) 18:50, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Comedy