Talk:Milestones (book)

message: Even a section on criticism has to be polite and not use a sarcastic tone. Sentences like "It's not clear whether he includes among these lucky Africans the slaves who worked in the salt mines of early Islam..." betray the obvious bias of the editor and should not be acceptable. Also, the whole section is written from the editors perspective and not from a critic's perspective, another reason why this section needs to be edited for POV. Aslamt 05:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Surely there should be a better way to write about this book than quoting verbatim from it. Instead of this format, can one simply discuss the main themes in the book and the book's impact?
:Definitely.  Anyone interested should also look to improving the article on Sayyid Qutb. --Vector4F 17:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surely there's a better way 

message: Warning: A lot of vertabim quotes are used but I want to let the book speak for itself.
Any comments?
--Leroy65X 21:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems good.  I would definitely have more summary of the main thrust of the book and its historical impact first (that's already on the page, mostly), but the other details are nice. SnowFire 13:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New, More Complete, Entry for Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq Ma'alim fi-l-Tariq 

message: --Leroy65X 15:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Some revision made 5.7.06

message: I have revised the "Christians and Jews as Polytheists" section to make it clearer and hope we will not have to continue this revert war. --Leroy65X 21:13, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing need to be added here. Qutub's view (Christians and Jews as Polytheists) is a traditional, so I don't see a point of criticizing Sayyed only. --Islamic 04:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tell us more. Is Qutb's reasoning -- that ahl al-kitab are mushrik because they give 'priests and rabbis "the authority to make laws" and "it is clear that obedience to laws and judgments is a sort of worship"` -- is that traditional too? Isn't it traditional that ahl al-kitab are in a different class than mushrik? That they can pay jizya and do not have to convert to Islam? --Leroy65X 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Christians and Jews as Polytheists" section revised

message: I disagree with some of your edits but thank you for finding mistakes and wikipedia-ing it better. -Leroy65X 14:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks SnowFire

message: It's not clear whether he includes among these Africans the slaves who worked in the salt mines of early Islam[24] and whose short life expectancy was a result of the conditions under which they explored for the resource of sodium chloride.
This is clearly either POV or from a biased source, it should be removed.149.125.234.115 21:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ah yes, the old canard of "Arab slave-drivers" .... 

message: This section was clearly POV and fallacious at that -- asking Qutb, amongst other things, to "answer" for the actions of slaveholders 1000 years ago.149.125.234.115 17:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on "American racism" removed .... 

message: The term "shirk" (hence the designation mushirk) does not necessarily entail "polytheism" (i.e., the worship of many gods.)  Shirk means idolatry and a mushirk is one who practices idolatry, i.e., an idolater.  An idolater is one who venerates material things, even if only a single thing is venerated.  This is a meaningful distinction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.157.104.108 (talk) 04:01, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Learn to read Arabic 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Qutb.jpg

message: I think it would be good to have a list of countries this book is banned in. For starters, at least one edition is banned in UK (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16171251) 92.20.10.252 (talk) 07:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restrictions 

message: I've done my best to clean this article up (diffs ), but there are problems here which are outside of my expertise, both in terms of content and regarding how to write a Wikipedia article. I am no scholar, nor do I have any knowledge of this work or its author, so I can't really clean up the content itself. I suspect there are significant issues with the content, though, which really needs to be overlooked by someone erudite in this material (preferably someone without a POV and who could write it encyclopedically). There are significant WP:MOS issues, however, including the citing of page numbers within the article (which should be cited via , and how there is bullet list usage which may be better as a paragraph. I'd do this myself, but I simply don't know how, or I am not knowledgeable enough to make these edits.
For the time being, I've placed some template headers on this article in the hopes that someone could come in here and clean this up. I did what I could, but this is out of my level at this time. Sorry. –Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 06:40, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Have done the  and gotten rid of some quotes. --BoogaLouie (talk) 01:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

text: When of God's law is established on earth, it will lead to blessings falling on all mankind.  Sharia is "the only guarantee" against "any kind of discord" in life. and will "automatically" bring "peace and cooperation" among individuals. Knowledge of the "secrets of nature, its hidden forces and the treasures concealed in the expanses of the universe,"  will be revealed "in an easy manner." The "harmony between human life and the universe" of sharia law will approach the perfection of heaven itself.  --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs serious reworking 

message: Have trimmed quotations but kept a number of them where the issue addressed is controversial, and readers otherwise might we saying something like, "Really? I wonder what he actually said."  
Example: 
:When of God's law is established on earth, it will lead to blessings falling on all mankind.  Sharia is "the only guarantee" against "any kind of discord" in life. and will "automatically" bring "peace and cooperation" among individuals. Knowledge of the "secrets of nature, its hidden forces and the treasures concealed in the expanses of the universe,"  will be revealed "in an easy manner." The "harmony between human life and the universe" of sharia law will approach the perfection of heaven itself.  --BoogaLouie (talk) 16:05, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: quotations

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