Talk:Public choice

message: Public choice theory is certainly not the same thing same as rational choice theory. At most it can be said to be the application of rational choice theory to a certain area but even that is doubtful.
It is also not the same thing as social choice theory. Social choice theory studies purerly formal properties of voting systems while public choice studies the entire political process. 
217.210.6.116 13:34, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Errors

message: The criticism section makes overly broad statements outside of direct quotations. Statements such as "a silly attempt to extend absurd theories of economics" are clearly biased when presented without qualification or attribution.
This section also suggests the disciplines such as sociology have unanimously dismissed public choice without internal dispute or discussion.
Direct quotations or examples from critics should re-enforce the general statements given.
--Trevor 19:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Dispute - Criticism 

message: So many minor characters associated with fringe movements like anarcho capitalism fill the page that it's not up to any real academic standard whatsoever.  Caplyn?  Friedman?  I'd argue these are not real scholars at all.  But even if you would argue they were, by any objective measure (citations etc.) they are not major characters in annals of public choice theory, and they certainly don't deserve mention, never mind such extensive space, in an encyclopedia article about the theory.  This needs to be reworked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.34.247.77 (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: I Agree That This Page Needs to Be Re-worked

message: ahhh typical of economists that they cannot understand the REAL LIFE associations of economics in this world. Chenin Blanc HAS been closely related to public choice and I would LOVE to see someone dispute this. Ah... Can we at least see this article redone, and THEN discuss the Chenin addition?
Are you saying people, for the large part, don't behave rationally in real life? What a ridiculous assertion that has no grounding in fact. Who his Chenin Blanc? I can't find out anything about him nor have I heard of him which leads me to question his notability and think that he might just be nonsense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sabaton10 (talk • contribs) 08:50, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chenin Blanc NOT nonsense 

message: Announcement:  The above is the discussion tab for a new article Social Choice and Individual Values.  Input is welcome through the article, the Talk page, or to me.  The plan is to gather comment, corrections, or suggestions for probably at least a couple of weeks, make final changes, then go from there.  Links to related articles (including the present one) would come after revision.  Thanks for your help. 
Thomasmeeks 16:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thx, Jay.  Just got back.  BW, Thomasmeeks 17:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Talk:Social Choice and Individual Values]]

message: As the PC article was started as a POV fork according to to its second edit summary, it absolutely needs to be folded back into a single article. However I don't have the technical know-how to execute such a content edit accurately. -- nae'blis (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I merged the articles as per above.  However, my knowledge on the topic is limited so I could not clean up the article well. Morphh 20:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Choice/Public choice theory 

message: That's what attempted, dropping virtually nothing but clarifying, documenting, rearranging.   The intent was to reconcile without taking sides.  A neutral POV can be maintained without losing the excitment of the subject.  Thomasmeeks 17:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A minimalist clean-up 

message: "...which hearkens back to the earlier name and interdisciplinary origin of economics but should not to be conflated with the..."
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replies: text: Second sentence now clear as mud, right?  Thomasmeeks 22:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hope the Edit helps.  BW, Thomasmeeks 16:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What? 

message: 5th paragraph after 1st sentence deleted:
:It was in part a reaction to government policies recommended by economists during the fifty or so years that preceded it. Policy-oriented microeconomists had used Pigovian welfare economics as a basis for improving market behavior, and post-war macroeconomists used Keynesian models to give policy advice to the government and central bank. These policy economists implicitly assumed that the government was both a benevolent and, to some degree, an omnipotent despot. The founders of the Public Choice Society focused on the assumption of benevolence. Recognizing the complexity of political decision-making in a democracy, they sought to explain how decisions are actually made by governments. They hoped that an improved understanding of democratic decision-making would show why sound economic advice was often not followed and why, when it was followed, it often had effects that were contrary to those predicted by economic models. In addition to studying how laws and policies in a democracy are actually made and implemented, the early theorists also examined procedural rules and constitutions.
Reasons: 
1. It repeats material covered elsewhere above and below it, and  section holds together well without it.  Those are enough.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomasmeeks (talk (Oops.)  Thx for noting.  Forgot to sign,  --Thomasmeeks 03:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The result was an eclectic group that, in general, conformed to the single definition that public choice is the study of collective decision-making on the basis of the assumption that actors are self-interested.
Readers would find the sentence unnecessary in light of sentences immediately preceding it (which strongly suggest eclecticism) and the lead (which characterizes public choice theory along just the lines suggested by the deleted subject). 
Including the sentence may strike readers as ingroup-ish or as unnecessary at best.  If more needs to be said pro, con, or other to form a consensus for further action, please indicate below.  Thanks.  --Thomasmeeks 20:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section 1 Edit

message: The following last sentence of this section was deleted:
:The result was an eclectic group that, in general, conformed to the single definition that public choice is the study of collective decision-making on the basis of the assumption that actors are self-interested.
Readers would find the sentence unnecessary in light of sentences immediately preceding it (which strongly suggest eclecticism) and the lead (which characterizes public choice theory along just the lines suggested by the deleted subject). 
Including the sentence may strike readers as ingroup-ish or as unnecessary at best.  If more needs to be said pro, con, or other to form a consensus for further action, please indicate below.  Thanks.  --Thomasmeeks 20:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section 1: last sentence deleted

message: This page could do with some images of Buchanan et al.17:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos of James M. Buchanan requested

message: Who is "Lopez" referred to as an Austrian type Public Choicer... I've never heard of him/her and without a link in wikipedia for their personal entry, it seems dubious whether this person is noteworthy enough for inclusion, if they exist at all. Perhaps this name should be excluded? 213.37.192.62 (talk) 21:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Austrian type Public Choicer

message: I figure that there are likely many applications of public choice theory in the social sciences, such as in sociology, politics and philosophy ; this ought to be discussed. 69.157.229.153 (talk) 22:22, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Applications in other fields

message: Would editors familiar with public choice theory please weigh on whether concentrated benefits and diffuse costs is notable enough a concept to warrant its own entry.  It is currently being proposed for deletion...Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs.  Thanks.  --Xerographica (talk) 23:12, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concentrated benefits and diffuse costs - Proposed for Deletion 

message: I read the intro and I have no idea.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.86.141 (talk) 09:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is public choice theory? 

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