Talk:Bat Out of Hell

message: The total claimed sales are 43 million, but the certified sales only sum up to 21.8 million, just over half of that. So, where does the other half come from? There are missing sales figures from Latin America, Asia and most of Europe (all but UK, Germany & Denmark). I don't think they could cover over 20 million of sales. If they would, the album would be in lists like List of best-selling albums in Brazil, List of best-selling albums in France, List of best-selling albums in Italy and List of best-selling albums in Japan, which are among the biggest of those markets. 85.76.71.5 (talk) 06:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Certifications don't necessarily reflect actual sales. Piriczki (talk) 14:32, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So where do those come from? My guess was sales, but apparently not. And I would think that there is no reason for anyone to give lower certifications than the actual sales. Here, in Finland, an album sometimes gets certifications by shippings only, the actual sales may turn out be 1/10 of the certification. 212.50.203.198 (talk) 19:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about other countries, but in the United States the Recording Industry Association of America presents certified record awards based on wholesale sales. The RIAA does not, however, keep a running tally of an album's sales and awards are only presented when the artist or record company applies for the award (with documentation). Bat out of Hell was last certified 17 years ago and considering Steve Popovich's lawsuits over royalties since then I doubt Sony would be interested in disclosing any more sales figures. The certifications in this article only cover six other countries and some of those certifications might not include sales back to 1977 and the US figure doesn't include any sales since 2001. So the certifications don't necessarily capture all of the sales. This is true of many older albums. Piriczki (talk) 21:15, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  worldwide sales? 

message: Steinman's songs for Bat Out of Hell are personal but not autobiographical:    I never thought of them as personal songs in terms of my own life but they were personality songs.
Doesn't the quote directly disprove the claim, says it is personal, then the quote says it is not? Auto98uk (talk) 02:03, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd claim then quote? 

message: How can it be the debut album of Meat Loaf, when he released a album before? It also wasn't the first album Jim Steinman had worked on, since he was involved for example with Yvonne Ellimann's Food for Thought album. 2003:ED:2F0A:E83F:A00A:F0BE:BC54:E59E (talk) 18:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debut Album 

message: 10x platinum = diamond, so it would be like 1.4x diamond Wolf O'Donnel (talk) 00:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no 1.4 diamond. It is diamond, double diamond, triple diamond. In between there is 14× platinum for 14 million. Like it says on RIAA page. Dhoffryn (talk) 00:16, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diamond 

message: Yeah, no, this is a pop album through and through. Sure, it's a rock opera, but so is the Who's Tommy, and the Wiki article for that album doesn't list it as "progressive rock." And sure, the songs are kinda long, but that justification seems like even more of a stretch than the previous one. Besides that, those are the only reasons I can think of for why this album would be labeled "progressive rock." Progressive rock has its own conventions and styles and this album just doesn't align with them; again, it really is pop music. You could probably get away with calling it "progressive" rock, but not "progressive rock." (In fact, I even question the "hard rock" label as well, but that's beside the point.) I understand the source for these labels is AllMusic, but to be honest, I don't think they're in the right here. Pardon the loaded question, but should we change the Wiki article to be a bit more accurate? I figured I should ask first before just going ahead and doing it, because it seemed like it would be kind of a major edit to make. Benny the Bouncer (talk) 07:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Progressive rock"?