Talk:Seven Arches Hotel

message: The hotel was built on top of the Mount of Olives Jewish Cemetery, causing extensive destruction to hundreds of graves. See findings of the Israeli Committee to Examine the Desecration of Cemeteries on the Mount of Olives and in Hebron (הועדה לבדיקת חילול בתי-עלמין בהר זיתים וחברון) in the talk page of Jordanian annexation of the West Bank. Kind regards --144.178.29.89 (talk) 01:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is simply not true. It was built on land of an Islamic waqf that is not marked as part of the cemetery in pre-1948 maps. Moreover both parts of the divided road to the hotel from Derekh Yeriho appear on pre-1948 maps. The only new roadway is the small turning loop in front of the hotel. "Investigations" in the service of the state need to be taken with a grain of salt. Zerotalk 09:27, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You will find a map on page 111 and photos on page 58.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.230.186 (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thank you for your response. The hotel was built on an Islamic waqf called El Qa'da. It is not indicated as overlapping the cemetery in any earlier map that I am aware of.  I checked the most detailed British maps from 1924 and 1945. As for the road, the map on page 111 shows a road coming from the south past the points marked 6,7,8,9 and continuing up to the hotel. This road as far as point 8 was present already on 1924 and 1945 maps and continued as a rough track towards the north-east (upper right).  The part from about point 8 to the hotel does not appear on earlier maps and, more importantly, does not appear on an Israeli map of 1968 either. Only a walking track is shown there, mostly following a walking track shown in 1924.  In any case, the "road to the hotel" was never this one, but was the road from the west (same as now).  I can't say much more.  I am not arguing that no damage was done, but we can't say that the hotel was built on the cemetery without better evidence and we can't associate a road with the hotel when the road didn't even reach the hotel. Zerotalk 11:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

text:  Trying to read what's on p12 with my very weak Hebrew, they seem to be referring to paving and widening rather than constructing.  That is more plausible but I'm still dubious that the road reached as far as the hotel, since a map I have made by Israel in 1968 doesn't show that. I also found this: המלון עצמו אינו בנוי על שטח בית הקברות ואנשי הנהלתו טוענים שלא חפצו בעבר אף אינם חפצים עתה בכביש.  I believe that confirms the hotel was not built on the cemetery. Zerotalk 11:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Islamic Waqf 

message: hotel rating is 3 stars when its actually 5 if you look at the reference you will see it also says 5 so there must be a mistake  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.91.224 (talk) 04:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [hotel rating]

message: Is this building a former illegal Jordanian settlement? Chesdovi (talk) 00:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jordanian settlement? 

message: When we discussed and added the Israeli settlements illegality we had found reliable sources representing the international community, and even then we didn't say that they "were illegal" but that the IC view is that they were illegal, in this article we have no source showing the view from the international community, yet chesdovi added that the Jordanian annexation was "illegal" as a fact:  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 00:21, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Why could that be? Why are there only sources calling Israels establishments in the occupied West Bank illegal? Wouldn't be the 'ole UN ganging up against the Jews again, would it? Shame. How things would be different if there were 80 odd Jewish countries on the planet making there views known. Chesdovi (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyway we don't ad "illegal" before everything Israel occupies in other articles, so even if there was such a source here representing the world view, then we would have to change all instances where Israels occupation is mentioned as "illegal". --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 10:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But we do mention it at least once in the article, right? Chesdovi (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:17, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean that we have to state once in this article that it is considered an illegal settlement by the whole IC except Jordan. Chesdovi (talk) 20:35, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What source says that the Seven Arches Hotel is considered an illegal settlement by the whole IC except Jordan? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. You don't understand. It is only illegal for Israelis to build in the West Bank, not invading Arabs. Chesdovi (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Have you found any sources yet, SD? I wish you were as intent on finding sources for Jordans "illegal" occupation as you are for Israel's. It would be so helpful. Chesdovi (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chesdovis edit