Talk:Morihei Ueshiba

message: I'm currently working - slowly and sporadically - on bring this article up to first Good, and then hopefully Featured status over the coming months. Any assistance would naturally be appreciated. One question I'd like to pose is the issue of reference formatting; given that Ueshiba's biographical information will likely be drawn from a few extensive sources (the introduction to Budo, Training with the Master, Invincible Warrior and Life in Aikido, if my copy ever arrives...), it seems to me to make more sense to rearrange the references as short citations. WP:CITEVAR requires consensus here before doing so, though, so I'd be grateful for other people's thoughts on the matter. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article improvement - citations 

message: I'm partway through Kisshomaru Ueshiba's biography of his father, and I have to say emphatically that I find it far more reliable and plausible than John Stevens's work. In Invincible Warrior (the title speaks volumes), Stevens claims Morihei once dragged a huge bundle of kudzu vines down a road, and accidentally snagged a man in the process, dragging him for miles but Morihei doesn't notice because of his superhuman strength, and he says he played tug of war with draft horses, and was immune to cold, and could "read the character" of any person who previously touched water he bathed in. As  just added, Stevens credulously reported that Morihei twice dodged bullets in a firing squad. This is a sloppy mixup in The Shambhala Guide to Aikido.  In Invincible Warrior, Stevens is less muddled: in Manchuria Morihei was the victim of mock execution torture by the Chinese. At a different time, in a bandit attack, Morihei said he could dodge the bandits' bullets because he saw beams of light proceeding them. Yeas later, Morihei boasted that he could dodge bullets and so a firing squad was set up to test this. Morihei somehow teleported behind the marksmen when they fired (Invincible Warrior pp. 60-61).<P>In contrast, Kisshomaru's description of his father's life events is not so hyperbolic, and he repeatedly shows a dispassionate willingness to point out weaknesses, flaws and mistakes on his father's part. He points out that Morihei's careless attitude about finances placed a serious burden on his wife and children, crediting Hatsu with her resourcefulness in keeping the children fed when Morihei's mind was elsewhere. Kisshomaru's description of his father's teenage battle to defend some fishermen against rich profiteers, and his father's time in the army, are far more believable and balanced. The choices Morihei makes later in life make much more sense in Kisshomaru's humanized version; Steven's version of Morihei is illogical because he presents him as infallible. Morihei's failure to help the fishermen explains his motives and tactics in his later successful efforts to protect the temples in his district, for example. Stevens whitewashes that failure so the tale doesn't hang together.<P>I think the body of this article should cite Kisshomaru's A Life in Aikido as the main source, and citations of Stevens should be removed. A new section, Posthumous myths and legends should catalog the list of supernatural powers, and even godhood, attributed to Morihei. It is in this section where we can cite Stevens, since he is the main proponent of these supernatural claims. This would be an appropriate place to discuss the debunking of these claims by Gaku Homma, Ellis Amdur, and others. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to delete the Devereux addition mainly because it does not fit into the text - it was just tossed in all by itself.Peter Rehse (talk) 06:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fair enough about deletion of what I wrote; am pretty new to Wikipedia, and understand your reasons...  Matthew Devereux   — Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Kisshomaru vs Stevens

message: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Morihei Ueshiba --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFAR 

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message: Hi Wikipeople.
The article states "His association with the extreme right-wing is understandable when one considers that Ōmoto-kyō's view of world peace was of a benevolent dictatorship by the Emperor of Japan, with other nations being subjugated under Japanese rule." However, the page on Omoto-kyo doesn't really make any reference to this at all. The citation for the above quote is a martial arts encyclopedia. Are we sure this is a decent description of the religion? I have no idea at all - I'm here for info, not an expert. 2A01:CB15:3FA:B900:D5DE:77F1:D3DA:1829 (talk) 14:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inconsistency concerning Omoto-kyo??