Talk:Electron orbital

message: I realize that the whole Periodic Table argument may carry on indefinitely. I wonder if anyone can confirm whether there is any point in continuing the work I started below (or if it is even relevant):
  
    Period
    Group**
             
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
  
  
    1    IA      1A
    
    18      VIIIA      8A
  
  
    1
    1    H
    1.008
    2    IIA
      2A
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    13    IIIA
      3A
    14    IVA
      4A
    15    VA
      5A
    16    VIA
      6A
    17    VIIA
      7A
    2    He    4.003
  
  
    2
    3    Li    6.941
    4    Be     9.012
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    5    B    10.81
    6    C    12.01
    7    N    14.01
    8    O    16.00
    9    N    19.00
    10    Ne    20.18
  
  
    3
    11    Na     22.99
    12    Mg     24.31
    3    IIIB      3B
    4    IVB      4B
    5    VB      5B
    6    VIB      6B
    7    VIIB      7B
    8
    9
    10
    11
    IB      1B
    12
    IIB      2B
    13    Al    26.98
    14    Si    28.09
    15    P    30.97
    16    S    32.07
    17    Cl    35.45
    18    Ar    39.95
  
  
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    VIII -------
      -------
      8 -------
  
  
    4
    19
    K
    2-8-8-1
    20
    Ca
    2-8-8-2
    21
    Sc
    2-8-9-2
    22
    Ti
    2-8-10-2
    23
    V
    2-8-11-2
    24
    Cr
    2-8-13-1
    25
    Mn
    2-8-13-2
    26
    Fe
    2-8-14-2
    27
    Co
    2-8-15-2
    28
    Ni
    2-8-16-2
    29
    Cu
    2-8-18-1
    30
    Zn
    2-8-18-2
    31
    Ga
    2-8-18-3
    32
    Ge
    2-8-18-4
    33
    As
    2-8-18-5
    34
    Se
    2-8-18-6
    35
    Br
    2-8-18-7
    36
    Kr
    2-8-18-8
  
  
    5
    37
    Rb
    85.47
    38
    Sr
    87.62
    39
    Y
    88.91
    40
    Zr
    91.22
    41
    Nb
    92.91
    42
    Mo
    95.94
    43
    Tc
    (98)
    44
    Ru
    101.1
    45
    Rh
    102.9
    46
    Pd
    106.4
    47
    Ag
    107.9
    48
    Cd
    112.4
    49
    In
    114.8
    50
    Sn
    118.7
    51
    Sb
    121.8
    52
    Te
    127.6
    53
    I
    126.9
    54
    Xe
    131.3
  
  
    6
    55
    Cs
    132.9
    56
    Ba
    137.3
    57
    La*
    138.9
    72
    Hf
    178.5
    73
    Ta
    180.9
    74
    W
    183.9
    75
    Re
    186.2
    76
    Os
    190.2
    77
    Ir
    190.2
    78
    Pt
    195.1
    79
    Au
    197.0
    80
    Hg
    200.5
    81
    Tl
    204.4
    82
    Pb
    207.2
    83
    Bi
    209.0
    84
    Po
    (210)
    85
    At
    (210)
    86
    Rn
    (222)
  
  
    7
    87
    Fr
    (223)
    88
    Ra
    (226)
    89
    Ac~
    (227)
    104
    Rf
    (257)
    105
    Db
    (260)
    106
    Sg
    (263)
    107
    Bh
    (262)
    108
    Hs
    (265)
    109
    Mt
    (266)
    110
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    ()
    111
    ---
    ()
    112
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    ()
    
    114
    ---
    ()
    
    116
    ---
    ()
    
    118
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    ()
  
  
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
      
    
    
    
    
    
  
  
    Lanthanide
    Series*
    58
    Ce
    140.1
    59
    Pr
    140.9
    60
    Nd
    144.2
    61
    Pm
    (147)
    62
    Sm
    150.4
    63
    Eu
    152.0
    64
    Gd
    157.3
    65
    Tb
    158.9
    66
    Dy
    162.5
    67
    Ho
    164.9
    68
    Er
    167.3
    69
    Tm 168.9
    70
    Yb
    173.0
    71
    Lu
    175.0
    
    
  
  
    Actinide
    Series~
    90
    Th
    232.0
    91    Pa
    (231)
    92    U
    (238)
    93    Np
    (237)
    94    Pu
    (242)
    95    Am
    (243)
    96    Cm
    (247)
    97    Bk
    (247)
    98    Cf
    (249)
    99    Es
    (254)
    100    Fm
    (253)
    101    Md
    (256)
    102    No    (254)
    103    Lr    (257)
    
    
  
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Well.... we already have several periodic tables elsewhere on Wikipedia. This article should be about Electron orbitals. -- Tarquin 19:32 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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Yes, I know. I should have made it more clear that I was proposing a format... I realize that the Periodic Table will contain slightly different information. -- sugarfish 19:44 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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I certainly believe that tabular data belongs in the article, to show by element which orbitals are occupied. My own shoice would be to avoid repeating the standard periodic table and go with a simpler layout, with entries like 2-8-2.
That said. we certinly need some kind of article and expansion of atomic shells.
Keep up the good work, Lou I 19:51 17 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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I've included enough information to explain the main points regarding the topic. The table needs some coloring I think, according to the periods that the elements belong to. Let me know -- sugarfish 08:31 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)
: I like the vertical table with the orbital numbers. very nice! -- Tarquin 09:18 18 Jul 2003 (UTC)
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What's all this about K-Q?  No class I've ever taken has used that nomenclature.  It's simpler to index orbitals by principal quantum number n, so that "K" is 1, "L" is 2, "Q" is 7, etc.
Furthermore, it would be more enlightening to further separate the electron distributions by quantum number l, thus: 1s, 2s, 2p, 3s, 3p, 4s, 3d, etc.
Another question.  This article seems woefully bare.  I can't bring myself to believe that not a single one of the many Wikipedists with any chemistry education at all has noticed this article's pitiful condition.  Unless someone explains to me exactly what is the matter here, and where the real article on electron orbitals lives, I'll have to redo this whole thing myself from the ground up. --Smack 21:50, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

message: I've related the electron orbitals page properly to quantum mechanics and revised the page to make it focus on the generality of orbitals and link to wavefunction. Can someone move the periodic table Talk to somewhere more appropriate - such as Periodic Table? It doesn't belong under electron orbitals, which, from how it appears in atomic and molecular orbitals, is giving a basic background to orbitals.
Next stage is to revise atomic and molecular orbitals...--Ian 15:26, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  revision 

message: I have some idea of the distinction between the full form of a wavefunction (Ψ) and the form that it takes after the time-dependent term is divided out (ψ), but I don't really have the knowledge to sort it out and make the article consistent and accurate.  Could someone take care of this? --Smack (talk) 05:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete vs. time-independent wavefunctions