Talk:Florida panhandle

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I'm removing the map after the edit I made. I asked for the map to be redone, as the easternmost eight counties are definitely not the Panhandle. The eastmost county in the map is where Live Oak is, and I can tell you that's much more northeastern Florida, and that isn't even the northeast Florida BOUNDARY. Likewise, Gilchrist County is much more tied to Gainesville, which is decidedly not the Panhandle. Mike H 09:57, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)
*When I lived up there - the Panhandle - was defined as those counties west of the Chattahoochee/Apalachicola River.  Whoever put Jefferson county in there must be smoking some of that good ole Panhandle weed.--Hokeman 04:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The map

message: so why is it called panhandle then? -- .~. 84.133.110.62 (talk) 21:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Compare it with a map of Oklahoma and with some kitchenware, maroon!
I think this is a good question. It is not immediately obvious why it is called a panhandle. I for one used to think that this phrase referred to the peninsula. (Elephant53 (talk) 13:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  the name 

message: One problem showing up then was that at least some networks announced that polls were closed in Florida (forgetting that the far west was in Central Time Zone, causing polls to open and close 1 hour later there).  It probably looked odd to some people that Florida, in addition to having an Atlantic coast, has part of the state in Central Time Zone.  (The Eastern/Central boundary runs along the Georgia/Alabama border, then cuts thru Florida on its way to Gulf of Mexico.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000 presidential election 

message: A new section on the climate in the Florida Panhandle would be very interesting. Especially a comparison to the rest of Florida.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.97.109.134 (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: If anyone from the fucking panhandle knows what that means :p  the question above was a good one; the name should have a section describing origins etc, for those of us lucky enough not to live there. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 11:54, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Supporters generally cite the MOS:CAPS guideline. In contrast, those opposing cite consistency with similar articles, but generally do not object to moving similar articles to lowercase as well, which would maintain consistency. I therefore put more weight to the supporting arguments. (closed by non-admin page mover)  feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 06:28, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Florida Panhandle →  – Not consistently capped in sources per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 03:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose move: "Florida Panhandle" is capitalized by both the New York Times and Washington Post, as well as by local/regional newspapers such as the Tallahassee Democrat and Pensacola News Journal. It also matches the capitalization of our Oklahoma Panhandle article as well as *all* of the other panhandles at Panhandle (disambiguation). I'm not sure what sources go into the near-50% non-capitalization shown in your graph, but the most reliable secondary sources in 2023 are all clearly capitalizing "Panhandle". PK-WIKI (talk) 00:37, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is only opinion (not substantiated) that the newsorg sources being cited are the most reliable secondary sources in 2023.  The Tallahassee Democrat and Pensacola News Journal are not reasonably independent of the topic as they are headquartered in the region and it is not consistently capped in this or this NYT article. Also, it is not capitalised by the Wall Street Journal here.  Ngrams draw on a much much broader sample set of published works than four newsorg sources. While regions described as "panhandles" at Panhandle (disambiguation) all capitalise "panhandle", an ngram review of these would indicate that six should use lowercase, while two give no ngram result out of the eleven articles - indicating that other articles also need to be reviewed. "Other stuff" arguments are double-edged. We should not be consistently incorrect. However, WP:CONSISTENT and Wikipedia:TITLECON deal with naming patterns and topic-specific conventions on article titles. They do not touch on capitalisation. This is dealt with separately ate WP:AT (see WP:LOWERCASE). Cinderella157 (talk) 04:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it perplexing to say the sources are not independent because they happen to be headquartered in the same region. That's assuming all the writers are from the area which I highly doubt. The New York Times and Washington Post are generally reliable sources. Names for regions are usually interchangeable with capitalization as it comes down to the context. – The Grid (talk)  15:46, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: , per WP:SSF, writers closely associated with a subject are prone to over-capitalisation for emphasis or distinction (see MOS:SIGNIFCAPS - we don't do that). Hence, why I would exclude the two local news sources. I would agree that the WP and NYT are generally reliable. If one reads my response above, one would see that neither is consistent in their capitalisation of Florida panhandle. While these sources are not definative, their inconsistent capitalisation indicates that (per MOS:CAPS) capitalisation is not necessary and therefore we should not be capitalising the terms.  is a curios statement (without substantiation). If Florida panhandle only reasonably refers to the subject region, what other context is there? Proper noun|names are capitalise with near universal consistency regardless of context. Florida panhandle is not (per ngram). This tells us that capitalisation is not necessary and that we should not capitalise the term per MOS:CAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 23:43, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

text: , descriptive names are common names (ie not proper names) and therefore they are not normally capitalised except perhaps for distinction - but we don't do that either per MOS:SIGNIFCAPS. Cinderella157 (talk) 00:08, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You know what I mean by descriptive, the panhandle shape is what gives the area its name. The name seems to be a proper name, that's what that section of Florida is named, and related uppercased names are presented by The Grid in the comment below. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

text: *Exceptions are allowed. Looking at the n-grams for this page and the articles listed below, uppercasing and lowercasing are close but, importantly, uppercasing comes out ahead in all cases. Especially if looked at throughout the decades, all have more uppercasing than lowercasing, which rides reasoning and exception quality into commonsense territory.  Doesn't seem to be any ngrams for Connecticut Panhandle but sources and maps seem to say its a "thing". Randy Kryn (talk) 05:43, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: *, I know that you have participated in enough capitalisation discussions for you to know that MOS:CAPS states:  and that this is a high threshold - much, much more than the slightly ahead for this article indicated by the ngram. Cinderella157 (talk) 10:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are clear exceptions to that guideline, including this one per comments above and below. When all the uses of 'Panhandle' in article titles which can be n-grammed show up with ngrams favoring uppercase (especially looking at past usage) then the exception-improves-the-rule. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 22 December 2023 

message: The phrase "The western panhandle, particularly the Emerald Coast, was one of the earliest areas to shake off its Yellow Dog Democrat roots," is dubious. While Taft won Calhoun in 1908 and parts of Florida panhandle voted for Herbert Hoover in his 1928 victory, these were aberrations. The panhandle voted Democratic from 1932 to 1960. By contrast, the other parts of Florida, were being regularly won by Republicans at the presidential level as early as 1948. Republican members of the Florida legislature elected during the time when Florida was a de facto one party state include Henry C. Hood (1917) of Palm Beach County, Albert R. Welsh (1929) of Pinellas County, R. Everette Burchard (1933) of Hendry County, J. Frank Houghton (1953) of Pinellas County. A review of The People of Lawmaking in Florida 1822-2019 demonstrates this. In 1960, it remained solidly Democratic, while other parts of the state voted for George C. Petersen and in 1964 when other parts of the state voted for Charles R. Holley, it stuck with Burns. This section generally and this sentence specifically are dubious. Mpen320 (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious Politics Section