Talk:Jumping position

message: NO. Hunt seat riding does not mean "jumping position." Eventers, show jumpers, foxhunters, etc all use the jumping position. Additionally, there are certain trends in hunt seat riding (such as the use of the crest release almost exculsively) that would make this inappropriate to be merged. The only thing that connects the two is that hunt seat riders ride in 2-point around the course, which is similar to jumping position (but not exactly the same).
To put this into the hunt seat article (which is a uniquely American form of riding), would be like saying the jumping position is not used by the rest of the world.
Eventer 20:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

message: I think I take a different philosophical approach here.  Essentially, all seats must be a "balanced seat," depending on the job at hand, from the jockey's seat, which is a properly balanced seat for a racehorse, to, oh say a jousting knight with his "feet on the dashboard," which though weird-looking is a properly balanced seat for ramming a lance into someone else.  To me, the "forward seat" as invented by Caprilli is the properly balanced seat for modern jumping, just as the deeper seat and longer stirrup of a Dressage seat that has been around since Guerinere (sp?) is proper for achieving maximum precision and control.  We probably are just debating semantics here, nothing more, IMHO... I kind of think this article should go back to being named "forward seat", as I know that term is used in the UK as well as the USA, but it's also not that big of a deal to me. I have to think about all of this a bit.  Maybe Culnacreann should weigh in on this, being from Ireland and all... Montanabw 22:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Balanced seat 

message: No.  They are different because they do two different things and are extremely different.
I would never ride for an hour in Jumping Position, but often do in Two-Point.
In layman's terms, the Two-Point is when your NOT sitting in the saddle, but sort-of slightly up and out and leaning forward slightly, and there are two points of leg contact, which does two things:  it gets your weight off the horses back, and it puts you center of gravity slightly forward relative to the horses which helps keep the horse going forward.  This allows the horse to move forward without hinderance ON THE FLAT.
The  Jumping Position, on the other hand,  is similar to the two-point, but it is exaggerated and very different.  The rider slides their bum back to the rear of the saddle and he reaches out over or beside the horses neck (as my instructor says "GRAB HER EARS!!!!!". . . my girlfriend is looking at me funny...).  in order to give the horse his head so that he can stretch out over the jump. The riders center of gravity is equal to the horses, but it is also lower relative to Two-point.  The jumping position is, of course, used over jumps, and is rarely used on flat with the exception of training.
Visually, the two point looks like the rider is standing in their stirrups, whereas the jumping position looks as if the rider is collapsed onto and almost lying or wrapping around the horse.  --Ronjamin 18:30, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two-Point VS. Jumping Position 

message: I've never heard the term "forward seat" used before I saw the link in two-point; I've also always heard two-point and jumping position used synonymously. Ronjamin, your description of two-point vs. jumping position sounds awkward and dirt-eating at best. ;) (This is not meant as an attack, more of a comment on the difficulty in explaining such things in text.) To me, they are essentially the same thing. Riders should always be giving with their hands based on the movement of the horse--the only difference between your position over the jump vs on the flat is the *horse's movement* and the way you allow your body to give, closing the angles. Granted, I'm no grand-prix rider, but I've been doing this a long time and I've personally never heard of two different positions. You can imagine my confusion to see two different articles, and a third without *any* information for "forward seat"! I thought maybe it was an American/midwestern thing, but I've read plenty of books written overseas and still haven't come across "forward seat." Hmm. Jett rink 16:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of this may in fact be regional.  Where I live, we never use the term "jumping position," it's always "two point" for the seat you take over fences.  When I was teaching, any number of adult students who grew up on the east coast considered "two point" to be the "half seat."  However, the most classically correct term is actually "Forward seat," when referencing the style of riding over fences developed by Caprilli at the turn of the century.  However, the term seems to have gone out of vogue sometime in the 60s or 70s, and, based on Eventer's comments, "Hunt seat" isn't really a replacement term, either.  My favorite references to forward seat, though, are in the old Thelwell cartoons -- illustrating a small child on a fat, fuzzy and very recalcitrant pony crawling up its neck as an illustration of the "forward" seat! (grin).  I probably just need to go back to my George Morris book and see how the terminology shakes out there.  No one is going to argue with George Morris! (Or, at least, no one with any sense of self-preservation who has ever seen him in action!) (grin) My new motto:  Sourcing solves all edit wars. Montanabw 18:43, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: jumping position=two point, forward seat??

message: FYI all, per this discussion, I made a sandbox off from my user page to maybe create a whole new article on riding techniques in general.  It's here:  User:Montanabw/Sandbox.  Dive in and help, or discuss, or whatever.  Montanabw(talk) 19:08, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article sandbox 

message: Most of the times preforming has been used on Wikipedia it is a typo of performing, and I suspect "when in fact he or she is slipping the reins or preforming a correct automatic release." also needs fixing. But as I know little more about horseriding than the average sack of potatoes, can someone who understands the subject make the call and fix this or confirm its already correct? Ta muchly WereSpielChequers 18:08, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I know, the only thing preformed is concrete blocks!  LOL!  Go ahead and fix it, it's a typi!  Montanabw(talk) 02:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh god here we go again. Don't be so rude! Take a look at your own grammar and spelling you idiot! 2A02:C7E:39D8:1B00:C4E6:B5FF:FE75:B0CF (talk) 10:11, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  preform - perform