Talk:Tara Lipinski

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replies: text:  I don't think deleting material is right without a discussion. All I did was put up a request for NPOV dispute. No one said anything or responded on how this should be handled. Then again, maybe no one cares... I didn't see any controversies, just way too much on personal issues instead of skating info. If you want to put it in, go ahead, but it would have been easier just to add those press reports as External links. And who said anything about whitewashing??? Don't start accusing someone until they've done something first. --Pelladon 08:15, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Oh GREAT, a vandal on the talk page. Now I've seen everything. --Pelladon 07:49, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Lipinski's retirement from competitive skating was controversial for two main reasons:  first, because she was so young and had such a short career at the elite level, and second, because so many of her statements (and/or those of her agent) about her motivations for turning pro were more or less immediately contradicted by her own actions.  And then later on she changed her whole story and said she turned pro because of her hip injury, which she had never previously mentioned as being a factor at all.  Personally, I don't know what to think the true story might be, or why she felt it necessary to make excuses for her decision at all.  And, FWIW, I don't really blame Lipinski herself for any of this, and actually feel quite sorry for her.  She was just a kid at the time, and I think she and her parents were getting a lot of bad advice from her agent, Mike Burg, who was more concerned about making a quick buck off Lipinski's Olympic medal rather than what was in the best interests of his client's long-term career.  Dr.frog 13:55, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I'm pointing out the paragraph because it doesn't add anything new that wasn't shown from other paragraphs. Reading the statements in the Professional career heading, you only get bits of info that it's impossible to make sense of any of this. More like sound bites. Doesn't help in understanding at all what happened. Not having direct references makes this even more tedious. I don't know anything about Lipinski, and reading all this doesn't help. The only certain thing was the hip injury, which gave out in the end. Maybe that's the real focus in all of this. Because of this, I can't figure out how to improve this section. --Pelladon 15:05, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: The "they've ruined my daughter" incident was first reported in a May 2, 1998 article by Mike Spence in the Colorado Springs Gazette.  If you don't want to pay to get the article out of the Gazette archives, you can see some quotes in this old Usenet article.  
Response: That's one article.  I thought you said it was "widely publicized"?  I can't find anything else about it in newspaper archives or on the net.  Were you there?  If not, please remove it.
* If you look through the Google Usenet articles, you'll find hundreds of posts discussing this incident.  It was also covered by Christine Brennan in USA Today and probably other press reports as well.  Dr.frog 06:46, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The Lexis-Nexis news database turned up these additional references.
* On Mike Burg and Tara tarnishing her medal:  "Lipinski eyeing repeat at Worlds", The Houston Chronicle, Feb 23, 1998.  Quote:  "Lipinski had indicated she was not committed to defending the world title she won last year in Lausanne, Switzerland. Her agent, Mike Burg, suggested the timing was bad, because a loss could tarnish what Lipinski had accomplished in Japan."
* On the White House jacket presentation issue:  Also mentioned in an AP article "Lipinski's mom cries snub at White House", April 29, 1998; a followup article by Mike Spence in the Colorado Springs Gazette on May 9, 1998; "Thin Ice at the White House", by Amy Shipley in the Washington Post on April 30, 1998; "Olympic champions pass torch to youth", by Gary Mihoces in USA Today on April 30, 1998; and by several other papers that picked up either the AP story or the original Gazette story by the KRT wire. 
* On the USFSA contract issue:  "After Kwan's Victory, Only Sure Thing is Change", by Jere Longman in the New York Times, Aug 2, 1998.  Quote:  "Lipinski is committed to an exclusive prime-time deal with CBS this season for two professional competitions.  Both she and Kwan are under contract to compete in a pro-am in Daytona, Fla., in October."  Lipinski refusing to compete in that event and her subsequent contract termination with the USFSA was reported by Mike Spence in the Colorado Springs Gazette on Oct 10, 1998, and by John Powers in the Boston Globe, Oct 18, 1998.  Dr.frog 15:53, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: More References

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--Pelladon 04:21, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pelladon, maybe you are not the same person who has been repeatedly deleting this material and adding edit summary notes that they've "proved" these things never happened?  Whether or not that is the intent, the deletions *do* have the effect of only presenting the revisionist history and not the full story.  Dr.frog 13:24, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dr Frog, what evidence do you have that I've deleted anything??? False accusations are not a way of gaining trust or credibility. Is this part of your rebuttal or methodology? I don't have the words to describe a person who resorts to such tactics or falsehoods. Okay, slander might be one. --Pelladon 14:27, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  Pelladon, please calm down and stop assuming that everything I say in this thread is directed at you personally.  Take a look at the history page -- the latest deletions I was taking issue with were made anonymously.  Maybe that is you, maybe it isn't -- I don't know.  Maybe the person who claims he/she has "proven" this stuff never happened would like to identify him/herself?  Dr.frog 15:06, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  And that gives you the right to point fingers? Guilty until proven innocent? You use weasel-words like maybe to link me or anyone else to your statements. Either make a claim and back it up or don't say it. I don't care about those deletions, that's not my problem. Take it up the admins or something. And stop reminding me of your shortcomings in your thinking or logic. --Pelladon 17:04, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If the deletions are not your problem, why do you keep responding to my comments about them as if they were personal attacks on you?  Even when I tried to point out that my comments were not directed at you, you responded to that as a personal attack, as well.  My concern is only about improving the article to make it more accurate and complete, not whether you are "guilty" of some crime that seems to exist only in your own imagination.  Can we please try to channel this discussion into something more productive?  For example, if you think the article as it currently is written omits critical facts and references that are necessary to present a more balanced view, can you try to fill them in, or at least be more specific in indicating what you think is missing so that others can help track down the necessary details?  Dr.frog 01:39, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  Your the one who made the comment "Maybe that is you, maybe it isn't -- I don't know." I'm just responding. Oh, and care to explain why you deleted facts from the Nancy Kerrigan page. The facts that showed her comments made during the award ceremonies? And you talk about omitting critical facts!!! --Pelladon 02:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have no clue what deletions you are talking about on the Nancy Kerrigan page, but if you have particular problems with the content there, please bring them up on its own talk page, not here.  In the meantime, let me ask you again:  do you have specific suggestions about what additional facts or references need to be included on the Tara Lipinski page to make the presentation more neutral?  Dr.frog 20:54, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

text:  Okay, I think made a mistake about the changes on Nancy Kerrigan. I apologize for that. But you need to understand you have been linking me with deletes and changes, which I have not done ever. I don't want to see my name attached to the words maybe to something that I supposedly did. Fair? Thank You, and now I'll put comments on Lipinski to the NPOV section on top. --Pelladon 21:50, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: About References

message: I'm trying to add references and eliminate some of the bias from this article. I also added the small section "Early life". --Fang Aili  talk 16:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gods, I think one of the reasons this article is so biased is because it is so annoying to get information from Lipinski's official website (). It continually flashes pictures at you, and you can't even copy and paste the text elsewhere. I can't read the text without being constantly distracted by overly-flowery pictures on the left. Gah. Does anyone know how to get around this? I've tried "view source" but it's a frames page so that doesn't work. --Fang Aili  talk 17:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV and references, take 23 

message: I think NPOV of this article should be looked at in context of skating in general.  Kristi Yamiguchi turned pro after not long after her Gold Medal in 1992. Yamaguchi was never critcized for her decision to turn pro. The Kerrigan-Harding circus put skating in the spotlight as it never was before. Oksana Baiul was only sixteen when she won in 1994. Oksana was not chided for her decision to turn pro. If you look at the articles on these three skaters you will find that they do not have the scrutiny and questioning of the events of their lives that the Lipinski article contains. 
The Author of the Lipinski article fails to mention a very important fact when talking about her 1998 Nagano victory. He states, "both Lipinski and Kwan skated excellent programs, with Lipinski winning a narrow victory. Some believe that Lipinski was aided by the fact that she skated near the end of the last group, while Kwan skated first." Lipinski skated a technically superior program to Kwan. He mentions her Triple Loop, Triple Loop above in the article but glosses over her skating a technically superior program at Nagano compared to Kwan.
In general I believe the article is unbalanced and gives too much attention to the negative. Compare the treatment of Tara's professional career to the troubles of Oksana Baiul's professional troubles on this site. If you look at all the articles of female gold medal winners you will see that this articles spends an inordinate amount of time sniping at Tara Lipinski. 
Here is an article that gives a different view of things.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports_headlines/19990220shontz5.asp
Michael95 07:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tara in Context 

message: I hope someone can find something we can use. I have tried contacting her and a photographer who's shot her, but no luck so far.
Nleobold 16:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Desperately Need a Good Picture of Tara 

message: Hello -- Today I saw a link to a documentary that was just removed (reason given: "blatant spam") and I added it because I've seen that documentary which contains good footage of Tara Lipinski and didn't think it was spam.  I guess some other poster could change the link to the actual footage so that it's not mistaken for "advertising," but being relatively new here, the quick judgment just struck me as odd.  I wonder if it would be considered spam if the poster had used a direct video link itself?  Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arch23 (talk • contribs) 18:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no direct link to the video. The link given is to an online store to purchase the video from A&E. I don't see how that link could be anything but an advertisement to buy that video. Kolindigo 19:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, thank you Kolindigo and Arch23 for bringing this up.  I'll make a link directly to one that's available online.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.222.227 (talk) 06:43, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of link per reason: spam 

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message: The referencing in this article is simply not very good.  There isn't very many footnotes.  Whole sections of the article lack citations.  The paragraph under professional career that discusses "heavy criticism" of Lipinski is particularly problematic because it is unsourced.  Much of the information in that section needs to be sourced.User:calbear22 (talk) 19:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

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message: Just an FYI. I talked to a person with a Flickr account and he released a photo into the public domain. A much more modern photo of Lipinski doing what she does now in the broadcast booth. Thank you by the way. This was put into the infobox and the Olympic period photo from 18 years ago was moved into that time period. With her and Johnny Weir going to be plastered all over our tv's during the summer Olympics, I thought it would be nice to polish up this article. It really needs some inline sourcing help. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:48, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Hey everyone, I'd like to work on this article, to remove the additional citations template, give it more of a NPOV (which I agree with the talk from years ago stating that it suffers from that), and get it to at least GA-status.  I'd also like to change the format of the references from the current list-defined format to the in-line format.  The in-line format is easier to manage, IMO, but I'm willing to use whatever format consensus agrees upon.  Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what you mean with the format. Right now there is a reference section below which is required. You can't just link to an outside website with links in prose. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:33, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to this: WP:CITEVAR, which states that it doesn't matter if you use in-line citations or list-defined citations, as long as you're consistent and that the consensus is followed.  Currently, I'm assuming that that the current list-defined format is consensus, so I'm asking if we can change it to the in-line format, which is what I personally prefer.  However, I'm willing to follow the current format if folks want to stay with it.  Hopefully, my explanation isn't too confusing. ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: So you would rather do it in a form like the Actuary article? I guess to each his own and maybe others like it, but I really dislike that style. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:04, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Noooo, I hate that style, too.  That's the first article I've ever seen that formats the refs that way.  My preference is another one of the articles I've worked on, Compulsory figures.  I should've given you an example in the first place. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 06:18, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Try Irish phonology, it's just as bad. Your example refs at Compulsory figures is just fine from my end. On a skating note, I do miss seeing those school figures. Yeah, the judging was horrific and because there was little tv, cheating was rampant, but it gave the skater a certain balance and glide that is often missing today in a jump-fest. I always felt it should be a requirement in US skating that each member should show at least minimal proficiency in the art before advancing to to the US Championships. And certainly the word "figure" should be taken out of Figure Skating. But hat's just me rambling on. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:12, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no clear evidence, but I suspect that it's best for more academic topics, although I've worked on academic topics and been mentored in WP by academics, so I dunno.  The U.S. was one of the last hold-outs of figures, and included figures in tests, but eventually even they removed figures.  My feeling is that it was a good development.  Skaters hated them, and one of the reason they stayed for so long after jumps and other elements were developed was financial and elitist.  The real reason richer nations (like the U.S.) were opposed to removing figures was they didn't want to give up rink and coaching time, which put poorer nations at a disadvantage.  (Although that ended up being a moot point, since it takes just as much training to develop jumping ability.)  I also think that skaters need to have the same skills in jumping, footwork, and spins (precision, discipline, body control) as they had to have in figures, although that's from a non-skater's perspective.  Does that mean that we need to change the name of the sport?  No, because it recognizes the historical importance of compulsory figures.  It was fun working on the article, though; I learned a lot and am proud that it's the first figure skating FA because it's appropriate from a historical perspective.  I'm a little weary of focusing on technical aspects of figure skating, so I'm looking forward to working on Tara's article 'cause she's so much fun.  I'll wait a little while, though, to see if anyone else chimes in. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
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message: Is she still NBC's female figure skating reporter?  Google seems to think so.  I was trying to figure out whose voices I am hearing on the YouTube videos for the European 2022 figure skating championships.  Is it Weir & Lipinski?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skysong263 (talk • contribs) 04:16, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still broadcasting?