Talk:Yggdrasil

message: "The excellent level of preservation made it possible to deduce that he had been a prisoner of war sacrificed as a thank-offering after a victory. " No, this dramatic scenario is not warranted. I have substituted "The excellent level of preservation made it possible to deduce that he had been ritually hanged and respectfully consigned to the bog, not more than a hundred yards from where a ritually hanged woman had been found some decades previously." . --Wetman 20:32, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Dramatic scenario

message: kan eg få fakta?
:Sure. Which facts do you want? - Haukur Þorgeirsson 14:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fakta

message: Could someone please make the pronounciation easier to understand? I don't know how to interpret dictionary-style pronounciation keys. Something spelled out, such as
Guten Tag = GOOT-en Tahk
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.7.243.100 (talk • contribs) 
Yeah, could someone use English dictionary pronunciation?  It doesn't do me any good to know how the Norwegians prounounce it.
ihg-dräh-sëll?
I could read that.  I mean, for reals, ya'll, that's a weird looking word.  TotalTommyTerror 15:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: English dictionaries show that the most common pronunciation in English begins with an /i/ as in "it", as now indicated in the article, not with the sound at the beginning of the German word "über", which is the sound used at the beginning of Yggdrasil in Scandinavian languages. Most English speakers cannot produce that sound, and not even those that can necessarily use it for Yggdrasil, which is why some dictionaries don't even mention that pronunciation. It would be incorrect to indicate that pronunciation only or first in the English Wikipedia. --Espoo (talk) 18:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Take'em to school.Brakoholic (talk) 20:22, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: Ygg is one of Odins names; "drasil" or drasill could mean, "dragging towards ill" -- the place Odin did some bade things. It should (also) be read as a geographical description.
The name is mention in Voluspá and Grimnismál:
::[Vol: 18] Ash I know standing named (Ydddrasil) Oathill a lofty tree, laved with limpid water: Thence come the dews into the dales that fall. Stands always he green above Urd’s well.
::[28] Alone she sat without when (Ygg) Oath there came, that esir-fellow, and in her eye he gazed: ...
::[47] Trembles Oathill's ash yet standing, that aged tree, and jotuns leave.
::[Grim: 29] Turtle and Wormt and Pottery's two these he wades Thor each day, when he to council goes at Oathill's ash; for the Asbridge is all on fire, the holy waters boil. Glad and Gild, Joybringer and Seahorse, Silverintop and Sinew, Hostage and Nitemple, Goldtop and Easyfat; on these steeds the esir each day ride, when they to council go, at Oathill's ash. Three roots stand on three ways under Oathill's ash; Hel lives under one, the second frostkin, under the third mankind. Rattray is the squirrel named, run on Oathill's ash; words from above from eagle carry, and beneath to Nidblow bring. Harts four, bite of green twigs, arch-necked, gnaw. Comatose and Dozein, Downbank and Dronebliss. More serpents lie under Oathill's ash, than ignorant ape know; Goodin and Moan, they are Gravewitness sons, Grayback and Digcanalout, Oven and Sofny always i think the branches ever lacerate. Oathill's ash hardship suffers greater than men know; a hart bites it above, and in its side it rots, Nidblow beneath tears it.
Ninum 11:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: Yggdrasil spelt as Yggdrasill as 'Old Norse' is wrong. The -ll is a newer form, currently used in modern Icelandic, of the older -lur masculine ending. Yggdrasill is correct spelling as of current Icelandic, but not in old Norse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.149.24.225 (talk) 19:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You have been misinformed. The -ll form is indeed correct Old Norse (and, incidentally, correct Modern Icelandic as well). It developed out of an older (unattested) -lr form. Haukur (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lingual error 

message: The Runestone image shown on this page displaying "Yggdrasil" is errnoneous; the Ockelbo Runestone is one of the Sigurd Runestones. It displays the tree into which the sword Gram was thrust by Odin at the beginning of the Sigurd story described in the Elder Edda and Volsungasaga. This image is misleading and should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.242.118.130 (talk) 05:52, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runestone image 

message: In the first sentence, it is stated that "the extra -/ is a nominative case marker."
That's great, but what extra -/ ?   Eleven even (talk) 10:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The nominative of the word is Yggdrasill, the accusative is Yggdrasil; hence the "extra l" can be viewed as a nominative case marker. Haukur (talk) 11:20, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence 

message: The Dutch Wikipedia entry for this page has a section, unfortunately not listing any references, that claims that the tree wasn't an ash but a taxus. Anyone familiar with these views? Although as said not giving any references, it explains this claim in detail, with what looks at a first glance convincing evidence. Jalwikip (talk) 12:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ash or taxus 

message: Hello guys, recently I removed the category :category:Fictional trees from the article. This seems to be a category for trees in fiction. What we're dealing with here is a tree from mythology. A while back, I made a special category for the many trees in Germanic mythology and those otherwise attested as venerated by the Germanic peoples at :category:Trees in Germanic paganism. This is basically a specialized subcategory of a few other categories, including :category:Trees in mythology and :category:Sacred trees, which I think are far more appropriate. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:56, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: While i find the attempt to uphold a division between fiction and myth to be a fairly futile exercise I have instead included the supercategory of the category "fictional trees" namely "individual trees" - it doesn't bother me a lot since my goal was to make yggdrasil appear in the category of individual trees because it bothered me that Yggdrasil (digimon) was in that category while the original yggdrasil was not. ·Maunus·ƛ· 17:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: What do you think of a section on the main page for "sightings"?
Recently, while playing LittleBigPlanet, there was a section called Yggdrasil... I had always pronounced it incorrectly until my wife said it (Pronouncing it like "ick-dra-sill"), which triggered where I had heard that word before, but my brain just hadn't made the connection.
Not only referenced in LittleBigPlanet, but I also remembered it mentioned in "Ah! My Goddess" The Movie.
Just a thought.... Gbaughma (talk) 20:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We usually handle such references in a "modern influence" section at the end of the article. Examples include Valkyrie#Modern_influence, Valhalla#Modern_influence, Sleipnir#Modern_influence, Iðunn#Modern_influence, and Fenrir#Modern_influence. Of course, with that said, works of art entirely themed around a specific subject are one thing whereas small pop culture references are another. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New section thoughts? 

message: The Old Norse DID NOT contain the letter ö. The ö was the result of a merge of short ǫ and short ø (also written œ) and belongs only to the Icelandic branch. One should therefore maintain the difference between ǫ and ø, and not write ö when writing Old Norse. I therefore suggest to write Níðhǫggr and vǫlva instead of Níðhöggr and völva 88.91.12.177 (talk) 17:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The editors on Wikipedia are well aware of this distinction. However, since the ogonek o (ǫ) does not display correctly for many people on the internet, it is common to replace ǫ with ö, and we have made this a rule for Norse names on Wikipedia. –Holt (T•C) 20:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Letters 

message: Here's the current start:
:Yggdrasil (; from Old Norse Yggdrasill, pronounced ) is...
I can live with this. Note that Askr Yggdrasils is correct - the second word is in the genitive, please don't remove the final s. I agree that "priestess" is not a good gloss for völva, "seeress" would be marginally better if we feel that we absolutely need a one word gloss. Haukur (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't feel it needs an English gloss. It's an Old Norse concept so it's better to use the Old Norse term. A link to the article on völvur should be enough. BodvarBjarki (talk) 00:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest version 

message: I wanted to point out that under the "Modern Influence", that the Etrian Odyssey Games are not mentioned, but the Dragon Quest games are.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.10.70 (talk) 01:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etrian Odyssey 

message: Yggdrasil is the name of a space-going massive treeship in the Hyperion Cantos by author Dan Simmons.  The treeship plays a pivotal role throughout the series, particularly in the first and last novels.  It seems worth mentioning this in the final section of the page.
The Yggdrasil is also referenced in The Almighty Johnsons episode "Man-Flu", Season 2 Episode 8.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.178.28 (talk) 05:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyperion Cantos 

message: All other Wikipedias as well as all the literature I'm aware of consider Y. to be an ash, yet suddenly here it became Taxus baccata with two recent unsourced edits. Just why? --77.236.203.210 (talk) 03:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for catching this and pointing it out. It apparently went uncaught. :bloodofox: (talk) 17:27, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong Species 

message: In this section it is noted that "Continuing as late as the 19th century, warden trees were venerated ...". Using past tense is (probably unintentional, but still) misleading. It is a little premature to declare this phenomenon a thing of the past. AFAIK this custom continues to this very day, see eg Wikipedia (specific mention of one Warden Tree from 2008). Regarding Sacred trees, these are also still going strong, see eg Tree_worship#Sacred_trees,  specifically the quote "Sacred trees remain common in India", the Bodhi tree, and the Glastonbury_Thorn. I suggest a slight rewrite of the section, so that the present existence of these customs is recognized, not denied. There's no need to make them appear more common than they are but they obviously still do exist, and so the article should reflect that. clsc 01:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Warden trees, Irminsul, and sacred trees

message: Le passage dans lequel Odinn raconte comment il s'est pendu à Yggdrasill se trouve bien dans Havamàl mais ce n'est pas à la strophe 137.. En accord avec L'Edda Poétique de Régis Boyer (professeur de langues, littératures et civilisation scandinave à Paris-Sorbonne), c'est en effet la strophe 138 qui relate ce mythe.
RomanSTEI (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Please communicate in English, as this is the English Wikipedia, not the French Wikipedia. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 16:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 April 2015 

message: Hi - the section "modern influence" should be split into sub sections "depictions" and "derivative works" .. a depiction of the tree as supposed Norse myth (eg bronze doors, paintings) is different from a modern work using the myth (and name) as an influence in a new creative work (eg Comics, D&D)
Also passing single page references in novels are probably not relevant.
 5.198.10.236 (talk)
The red is mentioned in Jane Shaw's book about the Panacea society in Bedford relating to the large ash tree in the society hq garden where meetings were held.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.53.49 (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Modern depictions

message: I'd like to propose an addition to the Modern influence section next to the Anime series "Rin". In the Japanese light novel Overlord "Yggdrasil" is the name of the video game the protagonist is trapped in. Bfrederix (talk) 22:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: <S> Not done:
 it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. qwerty6811 :-) (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

text: This information has been included in the article with a reliable source. Thanks for your contributions. Masum Reza📞 17:02, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add mention of the use of Yggdrasil in the Japanese novel "Overlord" in the "Modern influence" section 

message: I'd like to propose an addition to the Modern influence section next to the Japanese novel "Overlord". "Yggdrasil" is the name of the Discord bot. Kosburrat (talk) 18:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an independent reliable source that mentions it? Schazjmd (talk) 18:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

text: What Schazjmd said, is this mentioned in any reliable references per WP:VERIFY? Personally, I don't think a Discord bot sounds very notable for the Wikipedia article. TylerBurden (talk) 20:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add mention of the use of the name "Yggdrasil" in the Discord bot of the same name in the "Modern Influence" section 

message: Yes, any number of things in any number of computer games and fantasy stories have been called Yggdrasil. I don't feel confident in judging which mentions are notable enough to keep but this is cluttering the article a bit, as often happens with mythology articles. Maybe we should break off the popular culture section into a separate article? - Haukurth 21:09, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone considering expanding this now? Is there enough for a "Yggdrasil in pop culture" page? For me the first thing that comes to mind is the world tree in Sword Art Online season 2. Zetagaming (talk) 03:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

text: Okay. I see that he has now moved the content to the disambiguation page, and that does indeed make some sense. The first time I looked at it, the content had just been deleted, and not moved anywhere else. That's why I reverted the change. -- Karl Meier 07:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I realise anime/manga/comic/rpg/whatever freeks did not randomly pick the letters making up "Yggdrasil", I do feel Norse Mytholgy entries are fused with stuff that aren't related to the mythology aspect. The fact that lots of RPGs, and animes (most notably Oh My Goddess!) following the serries side by side makes disambigs difficult. I organised the disambig page to the best of my abilities visiting every individual page and etc. -- Cat chi? 09:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll be working on more "defusing". I noticed the level of fusing while editing Skuld. -- Cat chi? 09:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I also think Wagner is not Norse Mythology. I am not an expert but he came after the original stories and have had modified them somewhat making himself uneque (or else we wouldnt know about him). -- Cat chi? 09:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is still going to be a Modern Influence section, which there is, then at the very least that section should link to the disambig page, and this discussion page could stand to link to it as well. I'm here reading about Yggdrasil and I'm interested in its uses in pop culture. I shouldn't have to do a separate search to get that information, it should appear or be linked on the page.Brakoholic (talk) 20:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Now I've gone and actually looked at the disambig page, which is linked at the very top, and that list isn't very long at all. I'm reminded of some of the "references in popular culture" sections on other pages...as long as the info is organized and cleanly presented, no reason it should have been moved.Brakoholic (talk) 20:27, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

text: The "Odin in popular culture" article  has since been merged back to the Odin article, including video game mentions. If a mere appearance in the background of a contemporary movie is deemed relevant to the article, a story where Yggdrasil is a central component being featured in a best-selling video game must also be. 2001:14BA:A302:4C30:0:0:0:1 (talk) 21:39, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Provided WP:RS exist that support their significance, sure. The problem with these sections is that everyone wants to add the appearance of X to their favorite video game/manga/anime/movie/whatever no matter how insignificant, I have seen large sections such as these entirely unsourced before and removed them, and will continue to do so because these articles are meant to be about the subject themselves and not trivia about how much media they appear in. And if people take it so seriously that they start slinging personal attacks around over video game trivia, that only convinces me more this content isn't useful. Fandom exists for a reason. TylerBurden (talk) 21:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture section

message: All instances except one of the name "Yggdrasill" in the Old Norse sources do not name the tree itself "Yggdrasill" but call it "The Ash of Yggdrasill"; presumably Yggdrasill is different entity from the Ash that is named after it. The name Yggdrasill probably refers to the Odin epithet Yggr, and "drasill" can mean "horse", so it's "The Ash of the horse of Odin". EliasHalldor (talk) 12:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yggdrasill or Askur Yggdrasils? 

message: The redirect Yggdrasil (Dungeons & Dragons) has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.  ltbdl (talk) 10:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Yggdrasil (Dungeons & Dragons)]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]]