Talk:Kidney

message: The lead to this article has two links to the word renal, which is itself a redirect to this page. That seems unnecessary, and I can't think of why it would need to be linked at all, unless it's meant to be the Wiktionary link for etymology. I'm hesitant to remove it in case there was some specific reason, though. Thoughts? - Procyonidae (talk) 10:18, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two links to renal? 

message: I find it hard to see if either is a subset of the other. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:15, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Kidney article is about human kidneys with some little bias to mammals. The Kidney (vertebrates) is about kidneys of other animals without any bias to human kidneys. Those are separate articles like Pregnancy and Pregnancy (mammals). They cannot be merged together. The kidney article made wrong so it looks like it describes vertebrate kidneys, but it doesn't. It would be better to split Kidney into the Human kidney and Mammalian kidney or to rename the Kidney article into the Human kidney. My current work is an article about mammalian kidneys. D6194c-1cc (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Support the idea of moving Kidney to Human kidney, and keeping Kidney (vertebrates) as it is. Note that mammalian kidney wouldn't cover the scope of the content already in Kidney (vertebrates). The two pages could then be linked with hatnotes. Alternatively, we could just add hatnotes to define the scope without moving the articles. Klbrain (talk) 14:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've already written an article about mammalian kidney, so I'll translate it into English after I finish some Lua modules. D6194c-1cc (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

text: As I said I've translated my article about mammalian kidney into English. So this article can be focused on human kidney now.As for renaming into human kidney, it can't be done in a simple way since this article probably have been translated into other languages and those articles might have URL attribution in their edit history.There are some solutions like copying the article with its full edit history and only then merging Kidney (vertebrates) into this article. But if this discussion will lead to the merge, then let me do it myself in a few steps.Currently this merge is impossible, because no separate Human kidney article exists (currently its a redirect). D6194c-1cc (talk) 17:50, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  One can merge to a redirect (involves removing the redirect code as part of the merge); you're right that a move isn't possible (without a technical request). Klbrain (talk) 08:27, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Support moving Kidney to Human Kidney, and adding any unique content about nonhuman kidneys to Kidney (vertebrates). IAmNitpicking (talk) 01:34, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[Kidney (vertebrates)]] into [[Kidney]] 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 (talk)  07:58, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Kidney →  – Since the last RM, the content has move ever more in the direction of covering humans only, with other articles on both mammals and vertebrates. The 'occasionally helpful' inclusion of human seems relevant here (WP:MEDTITLE); see also the June 2022 merge proposal outcome. Klbrain (talk) 19:58, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Anatomy has been notified of this discussion. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Animal anatomy has been notified of this discussion. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

text: *Neutral. Providing some context. There is a long history of debates on this topic and my personal opinion is that the general WP principles of least astonishment and having enough content to justify a split are relevant. The amount of non human content is generally the problem when discussing a split; because of these and other reasons, the human/non human split/merge does tend to differ article by article. Regarding this topic, I contributed to the earlier discussion and you can see my thoughts above. Contributors to these discussions need to remember that the actual problem of a human centric medical and anatomic space on wikipedia, which is definitely a problem that we face, needs to be solved be editors working in those areas; sadly, long debates about titles (which have previously occurred in many spaces) generally don't result in much if any new content being added :(. In my ideal world we'd have these discussions because there's heaps of well sourced information written about the topics in general that's been added, thereby justifying a split. Tom (LT) (talk) 06:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

text: *:Probably, there is almost nothing to split in the current article. Mammalian kidney covers all about anatomy and function, evolution is covered by the kidney (vertebrates) article. Information about genes is written human-specific by human-specific sources. Diseases and diagnosis are described in human context. Culture section is human-specific, too, as I understand.The only thing that surely must be removed from current article is the kidneys as food. Kidneys in context of culinary has nothing to do with biology, but I can't find reliable sources describing kidneys as food that don't describe specific region of the world. D6194c-1cc (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 3 July 2023