Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Archive 1

message: After reading Philthecow's comments on Category talk:Paintings I was about to invite her to this project, but seeing that she's here already, I'd like to say that I'd be very interested in collaborating on the kind of template you're suggesting. I've come across the same problem as you and the shape my articles on the subject eventually depends more often than not on what kind of book I'm using. A manual of style as comprehensive as the one on Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums would be ideal for making those individual painting/sculpture pages more consistent. Count me in! – Ham 11:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is any help, there is the :Template:Painting, which perhaps is intended to improve consistency on displying paintings. However, I guess it is more the body text that is the real issue. -- Solipsist 12:44, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Template for articles about individual artworks

message: A related topic, Graphics is currently nominated on Wikipedia:This week's improvement drive. Vote for this article or comment on the nomination!--Fenice 19:45, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement drive

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on the visual arts? Featured articles are good as well. Please post your suggestions here. Cheers!--Shanel 19:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project

message: Hello. I'm part of Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics working toward a release version of Wikipedia (on paper or CD). 
If you're interested in helping, these are some related articles we plan to include: 
*Art
*Drawing
*Sculpture
*Painting
If you think any of these are ready, please let us know. You can see our proposed initial quality standards or learn more about the overall project.
Thanks.  Maurreen 04:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Version 1.0 core topics

message: The article on Edward S. Curtis was illustrated until a few days ago with a number of his photographs and other images that have now been stripped from the article and will soon be deleted from Wikipedia altogether, all because the user who uploaded them was cavalier about copyright and giving sources.  The original article is at .  I have restored one image that I am confident was published before 1923, and is thus Public Domain.  I believe many of the images removed were published before 1923, but I have no source to verify this.  Can anyone help on this?  It would be a shame to lose all of these images.  TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 14:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward S. Curtis 

message: If possible, could someone have a look at this article on a modern sculptor? I've expressed concern about the tone of the entry on the talk page, but so far have only had annoyed anons who want the tag removed respond. Thanks in advance. Harro5 03:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jim Gary]] 

message: WikiProject Arts 
Announcing the creation of WikiProject Arts, an effort to create a collaboration between all arts projects and artistically-minded Wikipedians in order to improve arts coverage. If you think you can help, please join us!
HAM  18:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An invitation to all members of this project

message: Hello, I'm not part of this WikiProject, but people here might be interested in my new article on the Bode Museum in Berlin. Angr (talk • contribs) 15:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome Angr! Good work with the Bodemuseum; I'm glad the Museum Island museums are finally branching out onto their own pages. I'm afraid this project isn't showing much signs of life at the moment, but perhaps you might be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts? HAM  17:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No thanks. I translated the article because I'm trying to improve coverage of Berlin, not because I'm especially interested in art! Angr (talk • contribs) 20:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: I've started some articles on contemporary UK art critics: David Lee, Adrian Searle, Louisa Buck, Waldemar Januszczak, Matthew Collings. Critics needing an article include: Richard Cork Julian Stallabrass and Tim Marlow. Existing articles include Brian Sewell, Jonathan Jones, Andrew Graham-Dixon, John Russell Taylor and Edward Lucie-Smith. I think the categories need to be clarified. At the moment we have British art critics and then English Art Critics with just one name. I think there needs to be a separate category for Contemporary British art critics, and another for Historical British art critics, and delete English art critics altogether. I'm not very knowledgeable about the intricacies of categories, so am requesting feedback and assistance on this. Tyrenius 18:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with doing away with :Category:English art critics, but I would discourage further division into historical and contemporary critics – it's not being done at :Category:British artists or at :Category:British art historians. I see you've written a fair deal about Louisa Buck – do you know much about The Art Newspaper, which, shamefully, is just a substub at the moment? Cheers, HAM  17:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

text: If you have the time and inclination, feel free to do so! Modern Painters is linked to on 6 pages, which I suppose makes it heavily linked to by art journal standards, although a few of those are referring to Ruskin's book of the same name. I've typed up a few paragraphs on Richard Cork, mainly cribbed from press releases etc., but couldn't find his date of birth. HAM 
At the moment, I don't, but they could be put on a "to do" list. I added a paragraph to Cork. I presume this is all the same "Richard Cork" and there aren't two people by the same name? He seems awfully busy! Tyrenius 16:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary UK art critics

message: Greetings from the Arts Project (and in my case the Opera Project).
Some of you may be aware of the discussions going on about Art/Arts/Fine Arts/Applied Arts/Visual Arts at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 4 and on the Arts Project Talk Page.
We are also discussing categorization on Portal talk:Arts/Categories with regard to the scheme on Portal:Arts/Categories. Perhaps a representative from this project would like to join us?  
Kleinzach 17:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey - I'd be interested in helping out where I can. Looking at the 3 categories above, I'm not sure they're full enough to perpetuate. :Category:Western art is woefully incomplete, for example. I think if these broad topics need some coverage, there would/should be an article of the same topic.(& I'll leave this comment over in visual arts) Clubmarx | Talk 21:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Category discussions relating to the Visual Arts

message: I'd like to draw your attention to the above which is directly relevant to the project. Tyrenius 02:14, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Found objects]]

message: Wiki has beaten the morning papers to the shortlist. There are now stubs on all 4 nominees, as below. However, with the considerable interest in the prize, they would benefit from expansion. Please help with this if you can. 
*Tomma Abts
*Phil Collins
*Mark Titchner
*Rebecca Warren
Tyrenius 22:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006 Turner Prize

message: This is a point of discussion on Articles_for_deletion/List_of_video_artists. Tyrenius 17:54, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists v categories

message: Can anyone check what I wrote on Salvatore Fiume (spelling, grammar, vocabulary, ...) please? Thank you! --Daĉjoпочта 11:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Salvatore Fiume]] 

message: Several "clay" artists, technologists and craftsmen here at Wikipedia have been working at improving the scope and quality of clay related articles.  A project for the topic has been proposed and looks like it could possibly be a "daughter" project to visual arts (as well as geology, archaeology, technology, etc......(Sigh) ).  If editors here would like to comment on the idea, please see the Pottery discussion page.  Thank you.  WBardwin 03:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ceramics/Pottery Daughter Project 

message: What to you do with this term, a standard in contemporary art? --R.P.D. 00:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorizing mixed media 

message: I think this AfD Articles_for_deletion/Connor_Barrett highlights some important issues, and is well worth studying to see what conclusions can be drawn and what future action might be taken in similar cases. It would be helpful to make use of this WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Visual_arts and to make sure it's on your watchlist. Tyrenius 05:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Connor Barrett]]

message: I originally posted this to WikiProject Arts, but I haven't received a response; I thought this narrower subproject might have more input.
I have a specific question about the naming of articles for famous sculptures, but I imagine that this issue applies to all art forms.  What is the specific policy for the naming of articles for pieces of art with foreign names?  I see a fair amount of inconsistency here, as I find many articles with english titles (and the foreign name given in parentheses), and a fair amount with articles with native language titles (and the english title given in parentheses).  For example:
* Native name: Garçon à la pipe, L’Absinthe, Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi, Les Demoiselles d'Avignon
* English name: Apollo and Daphne (Bernini), Triton Fountain, Ecstasy of St Theresa, Impression, Sunrise, Luncheon of the Boating Party
Is there a pre-existing policy for artwork that we can follow?  Can we agree on some consistent naming standard for artwork? --DDG 21:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Usual naming conventions in museums and art history books are all over the map. If an art historian names a work after the fact, it is translated into whatever language the image is printed or shown in. Works that are specifically named or marked by the artist are listed with that name in that language. There is no consistency on if the title is translated in parentheses accompanying the original language as in the example of Les Demoiselles d'Avignon, but this specific work is not mentioned often as its English translation. What I'm saying is the naming convention seems to go with what the artist intended, if known. If not known, it is just translated. No solution offered here, just some info. --Mrs Scarborough 19:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions? 

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It is my hope to have the existing directory replaced by the updated and corrected version of the directory above by November 1. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 22:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry if you tried to update it before, and the corrections were gone. I have now moved the new draft in the old directory pages, so the links should work better. My apologies for any confusion this may have caused you. B2T2 13:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project Directory 

message: I have recently created an article for the Campbell's Soup Cans series by Andy Warhol and am now working on the Haystacks by Claude Monet.  I have recently noticed the Sunflowers (series of paintings) article.  I am untrained in art having never painted, drawn or sketched and having never taken any visual arts classes.  I do attend 3-5 exhibits a year, but have a lot to learn.  I am trying to determine if it would be uncouth to group different painting series in one category named Painting Series regardless of what era/movement they are from.  Can I get some opinions here. TonyTheTiger 19:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 

message: Hello. Just wanted to announce that User:Lonebiker has courageously decided to revamp the article on contemporary art, which is currently in a state of disarray. If you would like to help out with this rather large undertaking, discussion is already underway at our talk pages (User_Talk:Lonebiker and User_Talk:Gzkn). As I am not an art expert at all, I'm hoping some of you may provide better insight as to whether or not postmodern art should be merged with contemporary art, as discussed in our talk pages. Cheers, Gzkn 02:39, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contemporary Art 

message: I would like to ask members of this project for help at the article Pop art. The sections about Origin of the term "pop art" and Pop art in Britain were edited by an editor whos main indent seems to be to establish John McHale as the main artist of pop art. This included an attempt to change the attribution of Just What Is It that Makes Today's Homes So Different, So Appealing? from Richard Hamilton to McHale based on original resarch by McHale's son, which as far as I can see was not published by reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. I and other editors have removed some of this edits per BLP concerns. But the article would need the attention of an editor knowledgable in its subject. The same applys to the article about John McHale (artist). I hope this is the right place for my request. Thank you. --VirtualDelight 21:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the main article page, I would add an appropriate expand tag WP:RFE. I am not sure what is most appropriate, but there are options to specify issues around neutrality or accuracy. Clubmarx 07:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop art 

message: Kitsch is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 22:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Kitsch]]

message: Please take a look at this so we can get an informed debate. Thanks. Tyrenius 01:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transition Gallery]]

message: Beginning cross-post.
:See Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team#Stablepedia. If you wish to comment, please comment there. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 23:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stablepedia