Talk:Culturally significant words and phrases from The Simpsons/Archive 2

message: Was the reference to know-nothingism really necessary? I took the liberty of deleting it. If you feel that was a mistake, then feel free to put it back.
Kahran042 18:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Under "Knowitallism"

message: A term coined by Homer in reference to Florida
:Homer: Florida?! But that's America's Wing!
I am 99.99999% sure he said, "Florida?!  But that's America's Wang!" - as in penis, which is funny.  Wing, not so much.  I've changed it, and unless someone links a script copy, I think it should be left that way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.205.47.32 (talk • contribs) 
:That was vandalism, and you just reverted it. Well done. --Closedmouth 10:55, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Under ''America's Wing''

message: Ok, so maybe the list is not all neologisms, but I would like to have a page with more stuff, because I would miss mumbly joe and likewise. Can we have another topic called "phrases/sayings/neologisms/whatever" from the simpsons? maybe not include everything but theres some good stuff there... 
71.243.40.182 04:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This will never likely happen (never say never right?) There is no way to moderate such a list, and it would simply become a 2000 term list that would ultimately be pretty useless for all intents and purposes. You'd have no basis to accept "only the good ones," because what's good to one person isn't good to other people. It's the same reason this list was once a hundred or more terms longer than it currently is. My personal opinion would be to avoid this. There is already wikiquotes for quotes, so sayings is somewhat superfluous. Neologism is taken care of here. If you just want to list fan-favourite phrases, that's more of a content for a fan site than for a general encyclopedia article.  TheHYPO 05:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we coincide? 

message: I don't recall the episode, but given the description it seems to me it could be a
portmanteau of FUD and muckraker. --belg4mit 18.124.2.224 21:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fudrucker 

message: I think this should be added to the list. What Nelson calls Bart's guitar rendition of "Polly Wolly Doodle".
Synystar 14:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polly Wolly Crappy 

message: I'll start the discussion, since the editor who added the merge notice didn't:
*Weak support. It probably won't survive an AFD and it's at least somewhat at home here (although I haven't checked either for a) other fictional products in this list, or b) a list of fictional products from The Simpsons in another article.--Anchoress 01:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <S>[[Marzipan_joyjoys]] merge note on article page</S> 

message: *Oppose Because this particular phrase has taken on a life of its own, it's a general American English neologism, not just a Simpsons neologism. The article is fairly robust and contains a lot of notable information that would be lost in a merge.--Anchoress 06:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <S>[[Cheese eating surrender monkeys]] merge</S> 

message: *Oppose because it isn't a Simpsons neologism. It's a Spanish language colloquialism/exclamation that is used by Bart Simpson.--Anchoress 06:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <S>[[¡Ay, caramba!]] merge</S> 

message: *Support per nom... I promise, I'm not going merge crazy, just trying to cleanup Category:The Simpsons some... ongoing WikiProject The Simpsons work... I realize that the neologisms page is getting a little long, maybe we should break it down some, make it into #-L and M-Z or something... I'll add it to the project page... - Adolphus79 04:06, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <S>[[Overlord meme]] merge</S> 

message: (moved from Talk:A wizard did it) - Adolphus79 03:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: like I said, not going merge crazy, just trying to cleanup the category some... feel free to join us at the WikiProject & help clean it all up... - Adolphus79 04:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <S>[[A wizard did it]] Merge</S> 

message: *Support per nom... - Adolphus79 07:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[SNUH]] merge 

message: Ok... here's the section for anyone that notices their entry is gone and wants to argue for it's inclusion... - Adolphus79 06:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Anti-Deletionistismists... 

message: Can we agree that new diseases (especially parody one-shot ones like 'Mad Fish Disease') aren't neologisms? Just proper names for a non-existant thing? TheHYPO 06:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diseases? 

message: This actually (I think) quialifys as a neologism. They invented a word (even if by smushing partsof frozen yogurt together) for something real that is even used now... My only question is whether the Simpsons invented it - did it exist before that episode? If so - it don't belong here. TheHYPO 07:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frogurt? 

message: wewt... we've gotten it down to half the original size... good job all... I think it's starting to look like a good clean list now... - Adolphus79 21:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cutdown... 

message: The article List of portrayals and references of Bill Gates points to this article when talking about CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet., and CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet redirects here, too.  Now strictly speaking, it isn't a neologism, so I can understand why it was removed from this page, but is there perhaps somewhere else in the Simpsons articles that this should point to?  It might also be good to review the list of articles that point here to see if there are any other subjects that are left hanging due to the recent edits.  Warrens 21:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly to the article on the episode that that comes from? that would be Das Bus. TheHYPO 12:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CompuGlobalHyperMegaNet 

message: From the article:
:There is no word even phonetically similar to "nuisance" in German; however, the German word for "nuisance" is Ärgernis, and a more accurate German rendering of the term would be the compound noun Ärgernisfon, translating exactly into "nuisance telephone."
That's not correct, actually. "Ärgernisfon" is not a valid German compound, it's just a failed attempt to create a one. ;) In all seriousness, to a native speaker (I'm one, BTW), this sounds like an attempt to do a literal translation of "nuisancefon", not like a genuine German word (nonexistant or not). You *could* say "Ärgernistelefon", in theory, but even that still sounds artificial and wooden - you wouldn't use a compound here at all, so I think this sentence (except for the first part) should simply be deleted. Thoughts? -- Schnee (cheeks clone) 22:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for the info... I'll take a look at the entry right now... - Adolphus79 22:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuisancefon 

message: I realized today that there are 3 mising that should have been on this list to begin with...
*Don't Have a Cow, Man
*Eat my shorts
*Smell you later
the first 2 are up there in importance (and real world usage) with D'oh and Ay caramba... the 3rd is almost as common in the Simpsons universe, but maybe not so much in our universe... - Adolphus79 03:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The list has, for the most part, avoided phrases of existing words, but I suppose those could be valid as phrase neologisms since they don't actually have any meaning as phrases outside the simpsons use. I would keep an eye on the precident it sets though. Not sure about Smell You Later. Seems to be a bastardization of See You Later, Except implying that you smell.... It's a here-and-there one. I'll leave it at your discretion. TheHYPO 12:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Smell you later didn't originate in the Simpsons. It's in the Fresh Prince of Bel Air theme song and quite likely apears before then.--Greasysteve13 05:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  a couple neologisms missing? 

message: Neologisms that I have a problem with, but don't want to unilaterally delete: Discuss. TheHYPO 12:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ones that should go?

message: Smarch is not a neologism. Smarch was a typo on a Calendar. Just because Homer then says it does not make it a neologism. He was reading a typo. Just because writers have put it into real-world Simpsons calendars doesn't make it a neologism. It makes it a reference to a joke. For Smarch to be a neologism, it would have to have a meaning or definition. To define it as the thirteenth month of the year isn't accurate, because it was just a misprinted calendar, not an actual existing month in the Simpsons universe. It was a one-use throw-away joke. Thus, not a neologism qualifier. TheHYPO 12:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't that disqualification a bit over-lawyered? Since the term has been used outside of the Simpsons, namely Electronic Gaming Monthly's 13th issue in a year, it seems the term has currency, enough for this article. hateless 02:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if it's overlawyered. Your use in EGM has never been brought up here or in the article, or has any other use of the term outside the show before. At the time, all the entry listed was how it was used in the show, which was not used as a neologism, and was not overly notable. TheHYPO 04:17, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The definition of "neologism used in the Simpsons" as listed on this talk page, doesn't include entering into general use or being included in the OED, or even necessarily being used in more than one Simpsons episode. Also, it's generally agreed that The Simpsons ain't "canon", like a Marvel comic, the fact that a word is not used again or is part a one-off gag does not disqualify it. Last, this reference was part of a Halloween episode, not a regular episode. "Smarch" was NOT a calender typo, it was an intentional creation of a name for a fictional 13th month. Even Homer agreed it wasn't a typo, that's why he complained about the "lousy Smarch weather" rather than pointing out a calender error. QED, it's a neologism in the context of this article. Tubezone 05:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smarch

message: This redirects here, but why isn't it on the page? - Rainwarrior 02:36, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...since "Cant sleep, clown will eat me" was removed from the list of neologisms, perhaps we should restore that page to its pre-merger form (for example, this version). After all, that article did pass an AfD. EWS23 (Leave me a message!) 08:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good suggestion. It is done. - Rainwarrior 15:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't sleep, clown will eat me 

message: I'm adding a disclaimer at the top of this talk page in hopes of deterring some bad additions; I hope that's ok. I think the disclaimer (in some form) should probably appear in the article as a clearer explaination of what the list contains. I also think the article could use an archive of the closed discussions, but I don't know how to archive myself. TheHYPO 06:30, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disclaimer

message: Yvan eht nioj redirects to this article, but is not actually covered here.  Was it removed for being too "gibberish" or "nonsense", which the top of this talk page warns against?  Or is this merely an oversight?  I don't remember the name of the episode it's from, but I'd be willing to write the entry if someone else can provide the episode name.  Isn't it funny that (SPOILER!) it's supposed to be a backward subliminal message, but the way they pronounce it would actually be "Zhŏ-een teh nă-vy" backwards? ----Icarus (Hi!) 19:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've corrected the redirect to the article about the episode "New Kids on the Blecch". --Maitch 20:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yvan eht nioj 

message: People continuously add their own half-assal theories as to what this means. Some people say 'this might mean...' while others say 'which means...' definatively.
The term is NEVER defined on the show. There is no way to know what it is intended to mean. Please stop adding uncited definitions to the show. It could mean having one's ass horizontal sitting, or lying down or sleeping. It could mean eating alot and thus widening the ass. It could mean various things, but the show never says what the term means. Please don't add definitions just based on what it sounds like it might mean, since it's used a technical term and it is not defined. TheHYPO 03:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of 'Assal Horizontology' 

message: Actually, the meaning is well implied; though not word for word, it clearly can mean more than one thing, though in the show what was meant is indicated.
When Doctor Nick prescribed this psudo-treatment, we then saw Homer doing nothing but sitting on his rear and eating.  Bart warned against burning precious calories and all that, after the trip to the Doctor's.
From what we know about the basic components of the word, ass+horizontal, and what we observed in the show, it is perfectly logical to at least suggest the most plausable meanings within context.
::If it's clearly implied, we wouldn't have different people posting different things every week. What's clear to you, or to me is not necessarily fact, and since wiki is an encyclopedia, I simply feel that a theory of what it means is not pertainant. If you want to post the exact quote it comes from, readers can infer for themselves what it means. You are perfectly open to LEAD to a conclusion by showing the facts, but you can't define a word that the show doesn't itself define. Maybe to someone else it's perfectly clear that it means widening of the ass by eating a lot, and has nothing to do with sitting, or to someone else it means lying down and doing nothing. I totally see where your argument is coming from, and on a fan page about the episode, that would be cool, but since wiki is an encyclopedic source, theories would be premature, in my opinion; You could run a poll here if you like to see what other people think about the word and whether it is legitimate enough to add. If there's enough response, we can reconsider the issue. I understand and agree with what you're saying and that it's one possible definition, or even the most plausible definition. The only "proof" though would be a quote from the writer of the line (or the writers of the show that were in on that writing session) TheHYPO 05:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: Assal Horizontology 

message: I'm planning on deleting these two as fake medical condtions aren't neologisms, they are fake medical conditions (just like a fake place name isn't a neologism for a real thing, it's an invented thing). Thoughts on this? TheHYPO 19:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bonus Eruptus, Skin Failure. 

message: It might just be me, but when Homer is trying to impress the Germans who take over the plant, doesn't he say "Smitty... Safe enough" and not "Smitty... safen up?"  if someone agrees change it please, I don't wanna get people mad about vandolism
:To the best of my ears' knowledge, in trying to act like he is doing his job of ensuring safety, he tries to come up wth a suggestion for a fellow worker that will improve safety, but can't think of anything so he comes up with... Safen Up. TheHYPO 22:48, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounded to me, too, like he just said "Safe enough."  Alphapimp 18:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's pretty clearly safen up. And with due respect, two comments doesn't make it a consensus to delete the entry. The snpp.com transcript has Safen Up, and if that were universally seen as wrong, I would think it would have been corrected there long ago. Feel free to check closed captioning, or an official script, but until then, Homer is trying to appear busy in his occupation of making the plant safe. He says "Hey you, stop being... so unsafe!", and then in the same vein, without wanting to repeat himself, but not being able to think of any actual suggestion, he just says "Smitty...  Safen up!" TheHYPO 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, yeah, closed captioning is flawless.  Snpp has been known to make mistakes.  It clearly is not "safen up."  Alphapimp 19:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That is absolutely your opinion, and absolutely your right to think. But don't delete stuff from the article based simply on your opinion that the line is wrong unless you actually have a cited proof of it. I have never seen the line quoted as 'safe enough', nor have I seen an official script of the episode either way. There are 120 hits on yahoo for simpsons smitty "safen up". there is one for simpsons smitty "safe enough", and it's not part of the quote in question. Safen Up is, right now, the accepted quote. If there is a script that shows otherwise, by all means. And yes, closed captioning can be used as reliable if we're talking about the captioning on the show's DVDs, rather than TV. They still make mistakes, but it's more than enough to confirm a conflict like this one way or the other. I'm not saying I definatively believe with all my heart that it is Safen Up, but until someone cites actual evidence to the contrary, That is what I believe the line to be, and what it seems to generally be accepted to be. TheHYPO 20:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In my viewing of the episode, the line is clearly "Safen up!", which fits Homer's personality and the other worker's reaction to the command better than "Safe enough!" which makes no sense to me at all. --Dystopos 20:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, you're right, I don't have proof, but I've listened to it and it still sounds like "safe enough," which does make sense to me because of what Homer said right before that; he thought some of the others could stand to be safer, but that Smitty was safe enough.  Alphapimp 23:57, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safen up 

message: Unless these two are there and I've missed them, shouldn't they be added?  The definition would be pretty simple, I guess, but I would have to look up the episode because I can't remember which one it was.  A Treehouse of Horror, of course, but I forget which.  Alphapimp 18:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not neologisms. They are inventions, and since it isn't implied that 'debigulator' is any machine that shrinks things, but rather THAT specific invention, it was decided to not include it on the list. TheHYPO 19:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You claim they're not neologisms, then use the definition of that word to describe them!  Neologism - a newly coined word or expression.  (I guess you know better than the OED.)  It doesn't matter that the machines don't exist.  By your reasoning, many words that are included in this list shouldn't be, e.g. "beginulate."  Alphapimp 19:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not use the definition of the word to describe them. "Squishy" is a new word to describe something. But it's a product, and we don't include those here. Neologism could be ANY misspoken word on the show if you take a wide definition. The point is that this list is not a list of anything that could be considered a neologism. That would result in a list of thousands of useless entries. I'm describing the accepted criteria for things to be on this list. That means no invented products, characters, locations - basically, the names of thinkings. I think I could be convinced if more people believe that 'debigulator' is not the name of Frink's invention, but simply what he calls anything that makes things small, but from the quotes in the episodes, he is calling his specific invention (the name of it), a Debigulator. For a real life example, "facial tissue" is a description of an item. "Kleenex", is a proper name of a specific product; or "sports car" versus "Corvette". If Frink said "This is my debigulator. I call it the Shrinkifier 2000". then he would be defining debigulator as "a machine that make things smaller", with "Shrinkifier 2000" being a specific proper name of a product, but in this case, it is implied that he's calling his specific invention the Debigulator. If you'd like to put the issue to a poll as to whether debigulator means the specific invention, or generally, anything that shrinks people, by all means. TheHYPO 20:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do believe that debigulator (and rebigulator) should be on the list, but also that there are a few on the list that shouldn't be; to be honest, I don't care enough to take it any farther.  Alphapimp 00:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's what this talk page is for; If there are some you think shouldn't be there, feel free to make a list here - just give a quick reason why you think so. I did one of those a little while ago (if you look above, it's still there). I never went back and killed most of them, but I may do so soon since noone seemed to care. TheHYPO 01:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebigulator & Debigulator 

message: Does "Adolf" not say - Das facken fone ist ein nuisance fone? Most of the script capsules say it.
::I don't have any information regarding this except to say that it sounds like he's using one word. Since it's not even English, I don't see any reason why one couldn't delete it if one thought it was not proper. TheHYPO 00:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nuisancefon 

message: I would argue for deletion of this entry, but it's not clearcut to me. In my eyes, it's just BrotherInLaw(existing phrase) and blubber replacing brother to insult. It doens't have a specific meaning and it's not a "real phrase" in the Simpsons Universe, but an on-the-fly insult. I'd argue for deletion; one could argue that the phrase does mean a 'fat brother in law', but I would say that a one-use insult isn't an invented phrase that is used as a neologism (used as if it is a standard phrase). thoughts? TheHYPO 08:22, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Not a neologism. Wyatt Riot 09:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BlubberInLaw? 

message: If anyone has a legitimate reasoning for the importance tag, I'm willing to entertain discussion. If noone has any opinion on it, I will remove it, as I think the significance is pretty much explicit in the article. TheHYPO 18:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance tag 

message: Zazz is also the Stop & Shop store brand of seltzer water. 65.96.41.169 19:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zazz 

message: In the episode where homer has the barbeque, this is a misprint on his invitation. While this is a misprint and not a new word it has entered the language, I've heard several people say it while reffering to a barbeque. Plus, BBBQ already redirects to the list yet is not included, which seems strange. Harley peters 19:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was once on the list, but it's not a word so it was deleted a while ago TheHYPO 03:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBBQ 

message: I always assumed that was just a stumbled reading for fourteen by Castelaneta - Why would he make up a word? It doesn't seem to make sense in the joke which is that he makes up a statistic to prove that people can come up with statistics that prove anything... making up a fake number doesn't seem to fall within that humour bubble... TheHYPO 05:49, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forfty? 

message: however, it isnt being mentioned in the T-section. What the f*** ? --Mikli 19:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's on RFD now.  --zenohockey 07:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Thrillho]] redirects here... 

message: Skin failure is a real disease. I don't think that it should be listed as a 'fictional malady'. To describe Abe Simpson as being in danger of skin failure is silly, but the disease is not made up. - Richardcavell 04:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skin failure