Talk:Mehmet Ali Ağca

message: Is it safe to assume this man was in the end no more than a patsy, "a middle man" to do bidding for those who wielded the true power, whether that was KGB in the east or possibly CIA in the west, or maybe some unholy mix of both?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.246.138 (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No. In fact this is a case which quite well lends itself to the Lone Nut Theory.  It beggars belief that the CIA would try to assassinate such a useful ally, and it is preposterous to to suggest they would collaborate with the KGB!!!--Jack Upland (talk) 23:02, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Patsy

message: The following sentence does not make sense: "Ağca had been sentenced to life in prison for the murder, which amounts to 36 years under Turkish law. He had served less than six months in Turkish prison before he escaped."
Did he escape or was he released?
He escaped with possible help from Turkish Gladio.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.249.222 (talk) 01:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This BBC link also points to an article that points the finger to the Soviets. This article also considers Agca's claim to have been hired by Bulgarians to be somewhat truthful, and saying that Agca's rantings into court about being Jesus could be simply Agca acting as a fool under orders. --Bash 04:03, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: There's a new Repubblica article about the assassination English translation.  Maybe someone can merge some of the details to the Agca article. 63.202.80.51 07:20, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Seem like there will be a follow up.  142.51.21.41 20:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

text: Please give details.  This is a collaborative project, not created by any particular "folks".--Jack Upland (talk) 09:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Wikilinks to other langages should not be deleted. If it is possible to make such links, it is because it is an official Wikipolicy to do so. It is lot better to have a foreign Wiki entry than a "red" entry, which, when - and if - created, may forget to see the original langage Wiki entry. It is also a form of encouragement to translate these already existent Wiki entries in English. External links in foreign languages are also acceptable: a lot of us are multi-lingual, and loads of people here are not natives English-speaking persons. Beside, loads of sources haven't been translated in English. Should we disallow an ANSA cable concerning mafia or the Pope's assassination just because it is... in Italian? English is an international language, for the better & the worse...  Tazmaniacs 16:29, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  English & other langages 

message: The article claims in the interview he was said to be writing a book to be released later in 2005. Any news on what happened to this book? Or was the whole interview denied? Nil Einne 17:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: Is the training in Syria substantiated? Or is it on the same level as his claimed connection to PFLP??--Jack Upland 22:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Guess not...--Jack Upland (talk) 07:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syria 

message: There should be some indication of the motive for this alleged conspiracy. While Agca's involvement in rightwing circles does undermine the Bulgarian theory, it doesn't support an obvious alternative.--Jack Upland 23:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to former prime minister Bulent Ecevit, he learnt of its existence in 1973, while the US State Dept has recognized the existence of Gladio. Tazmaniacs 15:56, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: And no one has actually answered my original point!--Jack Upland 05:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CIA/Nato/Gladio 

message: What religion is/was Agca at the time of the shooting?
I'm amazed that's not mentioned in the entire text of the article.
I wish I could say this with authority (documentation; sources), but, despite my failure, I still think I remember hearing that Agca at one time said that he believed he himself was Jesus Christ, which might make him an autotheist, although it still does not clarify whether he was doing so from a Christian, Muslim, or other perspective, as many religious traditions hold Christ in high regard. Shanoman 21:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right about Agca's claim.  I think this is evidence for insanity (or feigned insanity), not religious belief as such.  He also made references to the Fatima Prophecies which indicates that he was thinking in terms of Christianity (Catholic), but this doesn't necessarily mean he saw himself as Christian, as it is part of an obsession with the Pope.--Jack Upland 20:01, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religious affiliation 

message: Please update this section. Agca asked to be released from jail to meet with Benedict XVI in Turkey. When Benedic XVI was in Turkey, Agca changed his mid and does not wanted to meet the pope any more. Further more, he described Benedic XVI as “poor guy”. His laywer reported he said that Benedict XVI his a nazi that “encourages the people to be opposed the ones to the others". (free translation) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.37.62.58 (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if this section should even be included, except that Agca's claims of inside knowledge are somewhat significant.--Jack Upland 05:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Pope Benedict XVI 

message: There's a distinct possibility that Agca is insane. He continues to make bizarre statements. Do we need to keep documenting them here???  Additionally, isn't this a simple explanation for the assassination attempt against the Pope?  Much of the article attempts to construct a rational analysis of his rantings. Is this really necessary?--Jack Upland 05:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: More evidence of insanity as he proclaims himself to be Christ on release.--Jack Upland (talk) 22:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Insanity 

message: Before engaging in such edits, you might try to ask what others users think about it. I will take now the trouble to see your complaints & take them into account, as is the normal way to proceed here. Tazmaniacs 23:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pacepa is not a reliable source concerning the Mitrokhin Commission. This thing happened in Italy, and there has been some little problems with this commission, starting with Mario Scaramella and current investigations. I've replaced the other stuff. For further arguing, I think we're better off on the Italian Mitrokhin Commission article where Pacepa's comments might be "interesting" to cite. Tazmaniacs 23:59, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Massive deletion 

message: *Motivations and the “Bulgarian Connection”
Most evidence to date points to the Soviets involvement in the assassination attempt. Andropov ordered the hit because he was convinced of an Anglo-German conspiracy that elected JP2 in order to break Soviet hegemony on the largely catholic East Block. Although some still cling to the theory that the CIA did it as a “false flag” attack, the vast majority of reliable sources disagree with this. WP:WEIGHT would suggest that while there are still a few notable individuals who agree with the  false flag version, they are so far in the minority of opinion that the false flag version gives their POV way too much ink. I would also add that most of this crew, Herman, Parenti, Goodman, have all been pretty quiet on this subject since the revelations of the past 5 years. I would also add that Agca’s contradictory statements on Bulgaria’s involvement are no longer relevant, considering the revelations from East Block intelligence archives.  
*Removal of “A Vatican connection?”
The section consists of nothing more than allegations Agca made while in custody, comments he later recanted. I don’t see the need for an entire section on this. I have trimmed it down to one sentence in the main body of the article. 
*The Mitrokhin Commission's claims
The removal of much of the information in this section should be self explanatory. First, all the information exists “verbatim” in the parent article. Secondly, much of the information is well poisoning (things like Scaramella arrest, possibly politically motivated as well). Information about what the commissions has said about Prodi, Imam Rapito, Jean-Louis Bruguière charges related to the Ruwandan Genocide, have absolutely nothing to do with the subject of the article, and constitute a forking of the article. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 18:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Find some better information about what happenned with the Italian Mitrokhin Commission and stop claiming you know the truth on a mystery that no one has ever resolved and that probably never will. Don't remove what you dislike for personal reasons, and try to engage in honest negotiations, it will be easier for everybody. Thank you very much for your help. Tazmaniacs 21:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The odus is on you to present "better information" if you want the material kept in the article. Torturous Devastating Cudgel 21:44, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I think various theories should be presented if they're well documented.  You don't deal with the possibility that Agca is simply insane. The fact that he made many strange claims is significant, particularly as the Bulgarian theorists often cite him as a reliable witness.--Jack Upland 20:05, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I find it illuminating as a new comer to this page the entire wiki peddles this CIA fantasy, but no mention of the Soviet connection at all until the end when it is remarked as an orphan as part of a work of fiction by Tom Clancy. Is the CIA conspiracy theory so weak that it can not withstand a challenge by the massive amount of information explaining USSR involvement? Woodeye18 (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent adits

message: It says: 
Ali Agca had made several trips to Sofia, Bulgaria, and stayed in a hotel favored by the Bulgarian (DS) 
Pls. explain. Thanks. --Ben  T/C  10:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the Bulgarian secret police.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What/who is/are DS? 

message: I've moved a lot of text into 1981 Pope John Paul II assassination attempt. What the current article needs is a good summary. Intangible2.0 21:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main article on assassination 

message: There are several Turkish articles from 2006 here, which you might want to cite: 
* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/baskenttehukuk/message/703 --Adoniscik(t, c) 09:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More sources 

message: I have found that he was mentioned in "The Third Revelation"  By Ralph McInerny.  I want ahead and added this to the article.CaraElaine512 (talk) 11:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest book mentions 

message: He never converted to Catholicism, so why does Wikipedia continue to list him in "Converts from Islam to Christianity - Catholicism"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.201.167.158 (talk) 08:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: The article says he claims he is Jewish, so why is he listened under "Turkish former Muslims", "Converts to Christianity from Islam", and "Converts to Roman Catholicism from Islam"? What religion is he?70.187.179.139 (talk) 06:42, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, he has made many weird claims about religion. I don't think Wikipedia should endorse any of them.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discrepancy 

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message: This statement by 76.247.46.79
does not include a source. Does anybody know if an already made reference contains this information? Ελλίντερεστ (talk) 10:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced statement about medical condition 

message: It seems that the Iran connection is given too much weight considering how often he has changed his story. I don't know for sure if he was Sunni or Shia but it seems more likely that he is Sunni (like the Grey Wolves) while Iran theocracy is Shia. This makes the Iran claim sound rather dubious. Óli Gneisti (talk) 09:18, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight on Iran 

message: Emanuela Orlandi may have been one of this guy’s victims, as per his organization.  When the case is reviewed will the Pope recall his pardon? And why or how was the terrorist cell in V city?35.140.129.253 (talk) 20:39, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review of missing girl 

message: the article mentions four bullets. The German version three and references the news outlet "Der Spiegel". Perhaps someone could clarify that. Tanks! 2001:A62:1AE2:C601:9901:9773:B6E6:C036 (talk) 18:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nummer of bullets