Talk:Fennoman movement

message: Is there anything to suggest that these three were Fennomans? They all had a strong streak of Finnish patrionism, but that's not the same thing as being a Fennoman. Unless some evidence can be presented showing that they were Fennomans in the sense of the word used in this article, I'll remove them. JdeJ 10:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lönnrot was definitely a Fennoman since he compiled Kalevala which was important in the struggle for Finnish language. Sibelius was interested in Karelianism which can be seen for example in Karelia Suite, he also went to Finnish speaking school. Topelius supported making Finnish an official language which makes him a Fennoman without a doubt (BTW his family's original name was the Finnish name Toppila). So at least these three are going back --Jaakko Sivonen 20:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that Lönnrot edited a work important to the struggle etc does not  substantiate the statement that he was "definitely a Fennoman".  The fact that Topelius supported some ideas of the Fennoman political movement is not the same thing as belonging to that movement.  For example, if I translated a communist manifesto into Portugese that would not mean that I am a communist.  This is the line of reasoning used in "witch hunts" such as those of the McCarthy era in the US.  Again, I might support fiscal monetary policy, but that would not mean that I am a member of the Conservative Party. LookingGlass (talk) 06:32, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Runeberg, Topelius and Sibelius 

message: Wow, what a storm in a teacup!  And something of a red herring in my opinion.   Mania is used in Fennomania in the same way as mania might be (though unadvisedly!) in English - a craze.  Why it was chosen is imo just another illustration of the continuing confusion in Finland of the meaning and use of English words.  Words have many nuances.  That's it.  There is no certainty such as being furiously debated here.  The interesting bit is "Fenno-" as the Finnish for Finland is: Suomi, and for a Finn: suomalainen.  The word "Fenn/o/i" etc simply doesn't exist in Finnish.  At best it is a loan word from the Romans who regarded the place as a swamp.  The term was derogatory.  So, how on earth did a Finnish nationalist party, promoting the use and establishment and supremacy of the Finnish language as a national language come to use an English title for itself?!?  Ironic or what?? LookingGlass (talk) 14:07, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The last line of the Fennoman motto (Swedish) uses the word ""finnar" (pl. finne) so it would seem that the word Finn aat least is derived not from the Roman/Latin but from the Swedish - "finne".  The motto also uses the word "vara".  Both these words in Swedish have negative meanings as well:  finne can also mean a pimple,  vara can also mean to suppurate but it is also used in mathematics (apparently).  Curiouser and curiouser.  The oldest use of the word Finn (not Fenn) comes from the "Latin" transliteration of Swedish runes on gravestones (13c?).  So does anyone know how/when/where Finn- was "changed" to Fenn- and/or how/why it was adopted/originated by the party?  LookingGlass (talk) 07:20, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Red herring

message: I noticed the flag and that the talk page both has no section for any discussion arising from the flag AND that comments made here haven't provided the references their editors have found. If you have some sources/references please help improve the article's quality by providing them. LookingGlass (talk) 14:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: now redirects to Fennoman movement. That is not adequate because the target article says nothing about fennophiles except in the short lead, which notes that fennoman succeeded fennophile. --P64 (talk) 19:09, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fennophile