Talk:List of nuclear holocaust fiction

message: This page was created when I spotted a large list of nuclear-themed fiction being created in Jericho (TV series), in lieu of a relevant/on topic See Also section.  Lower section is a similar, but far longer list, found on The Day After.  Intend to merge into a cohesive list in the next 24 hours. MrZaiustalk 04:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MrZaiustalk 05:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Harvested list from Nuclear Holocaust, adding several new categories MrZaiustalk 19:22, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation notes

message: As noted elsewhere. Comicbooks also feature nuclear weapons. There are post apolcalyptic depictions (that allude me now) but also depictions of nuclear weapons (The Hulk for example). The Dark Knight Returns features the effect of a single nuclear explosion effectively crippling the USA. AlanD 20:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then list 'em. 198.247.174.254 00:29, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will when I've gaged opinion on here. Opinions? AlanD 00:33, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's fiction that takes place after large scale nuclear war, then it fits the bill.  No need to ask permission, though.  Article's brand new.  Take the initiative and help create something worth keeping.  If you did so at this time, you'd be one of only four users to have ever edited the article.  See .  To determine whether any given article warrants listing here, see Nuclear Holocaust.  The term refers to nuclear war that destroys or nearly destroys human civilization.  MrZaiustalk 18:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

text: This list is for fiction that involves a nuclear holocaust, which means a full or near-full nuclear exchange.  Red Dawn doesn't qualify; the Soviets use a limited strike to take out our retaliatory capability, and then invade. Xihr (talk) 22:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: other fiction

message: The nuclear holocaust article has just been moved to the uncapitalized title, per a listing at WP:RM and accompanying discussion.  It seems appropriate to suggest that this article be moved likewise; I'm not just completing the move because I see it's come up here before, so it might be best to ask first.  Opinions? -GTBacchus(talk) 08:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it came up here initially, and was echoed with a move of this page shortly afterwards. MrZaiustalk 20:01, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caps, revisited 

message: I don't really see how alphabetical is "more intuitive". Alphabetical order is only relevant if one already knows the name of a film or program. Chronological order gives a better view of how the topic has been treated in popular culture over time. Pjbflynn 23:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I was going to commment on this myself when I found the above.  Nihil novi 19:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronological vs. Alphabetical? 

message: Not all entries fit the title and the first paragraph, as they do not picture a nuclear holocaust/massive nuclear attack. Like:
* Sum of all Fears
* Fail-Safe
* Broken Arrow
* Amerika
So: Remove the incorrect entries or adjust the first paragraph?
--MushroomCloud 18:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Fail-Safe and Amerika do depict rather large scale nuclear attacks, although the last depicts a United States in which the damage was mostly limited to atmospheric bursts and EMP.  I'd argue that both of those works should probably stay in the list.  The other two, however, likely should be removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrzaius (talk • contribs) 19:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fail-Safe features only two nukes, one of which was deployed by accident. Amerika sports four, all of which were only used for EMP. Neither of them lead to a “holocaust” (although, admittedly, it would have been a possibility in Fail-Safe). In Fail-Safe, only two cities were destroyed (reminds me of something), and in Amerika, the USA were occupied, but under control. --MushroomCloud 21:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On that same track, I'd argue that 24 has no place on the list either. There's no breakdown of social order, no end of public services like police, firefighters, et cetera, a return to community-centric organization by dint of all other government failing that's the hallmark of the genre. One nuke does not a holocaust make. - Random stranger.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.77.238.41 (talk) 13:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title vs. entries 

message: I would keep "List of nuclear holocaust fiction" as a separate article because:
* the subject is prominent enough to merit separate treatment, and constitutes a long list;
* the article is already linked to related articles for reader convenience;
* "List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction" is an unwieldy and ambiguous title (I would have called it "List of apocalypse fiction").
I would, however, propose inserting a hyphen, for clarity, between "nuclear" and "holocaust" in this article's title, because "nuclear-holocaust" comprises a single adjective that modifies the noun "fiction."
:Nihil novi 19:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After a year, consensus of those who have responded appears to be to keep the articles separate. I'm removing the merge banner from this article. The two renaming suggestions above should be handled separately.  Ipoellet (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with "[[List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction]]"?

message: seems no non-English fiction is included on this page, so perhaps the title should be modified.
9ulk—Preceding undated comment added by 9ulk (talk • contribs) 22:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or editors familiar with notable non-English nuclear holocaust fiction could start adding it to the article.  There actually is at least one non-English entry in the article now, Malevil by Robert Merle. PubliusFL 18:22, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Nuclear Holocaust Fiction '''in English'''?

message: Someone has compiled a list of nuke songs from the 1980s here:  http://www.inthe80s.com/nuclearwar/index.shtml 
I have not had a chance to go through it and verify its accuracy (or verify that those songs weren't already on the list) but thought I'd post it here for the general good.  Jkp1187 (talk) 18:04, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music list 

message: I would add Patrick Tilley's 'Amtrak Wars' to the list The Amtrak Wars, not only are they set in post nuclear war apocalyptic Earth but they feature a really interesting advanced bunker based civilization.
A book film that surely should be here is HG Wells 'The Time Machine' The Time Machine, in the 1960 film version the Morlock civilization is definitely post nuclear.
Another is L Ron Hubbard's 'Battlefield Earth' again set hundreds of years after a fairly one sided nuclear war - between humans and Psychlos. - The book should never be compared with the movie, widely regarded as one of the worst ever made.
Finally would be Samuel R Delany's 'The Fall of The Towers' one of the truly great 'forgotten' science fiction masterpieces. The civilization seems to be set on an earth thousands of years after a nuclear holocaust.
Hope that helps Lucien86 (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In the book Battlefield Earth the human race was wiped out by a Psychlo chemical weapon probe - not a nuclear exchange.  I cannot remember of the remaining humans employed nuclear weapons on the Psycho occupation force, but I do not think so.  Later the Psycho main planet was destroyed by human nuclear weapons transported there with a shipment of gold.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.59.92 (talk) 16:57, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Others to add  

message: There are a number of entires that seem to be iffy at best.
*The Day the Earth Caught Fire although iuts caused initaly by nuclear tests its not that that casues the damage but runaway global warming caused by moving closer to the sun, also nukes may actauly stop it(the film leaves that unsure). As such it is not about Nuclear war nor nuclear holocaust.
*Fail-Safe deals with the destruction of two cities, so the applocalypse is rather limited.
*By Dawn's Early Light deals with attmepts to stop a nuclear holocaust, Again I would argue that the world (and civilisation) survives as such its not appolcalyptic.
*Deterrence Again seems to deal with a non applocalypse in which only three bombs are droped, and two do not work.
*Special Bulletin is about one bombthat dtroys a city.
*By Dawn's Early Light is about the averting of a nuclear holocaust (but at least is about one)
*Jericho Destruction is limited to the US,so its not an appoalype (indead the rest of the worlds appears send aid indicaing jhat no one else is that afected) Also the catastrphy is limited to what 13 cities, so even tyhe USA is not destroyed.
Why are these on a list that should be about the end of civilisation, not the destruction of a coule of cities?Slatersteven (talk) 16:07, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to be a serious problem with the list. There are a bunch of works on here that consider the possibility of a nuclear holocaust without one actually happening. The page intro reads "a world during or after a massive nuclear war, nuclear holocaust, or crash of civilization due to a nuclear electromagnetic pulse." This means that something like Jericho could still fit (American, Korean, and Iraqi civilizations crashe due to widespread use of nuclear weapons), but something like WarGames (in which the war never happens) or Last Resort (only two weapons are used, they're limited to Pakistan and the story isn't told from a Pakistani perspective) wouldn't fit. The big test is aftermath/consequences. The effect of the bombs doesn't have to be world wide, but it does have to be "massive" enough that the aftermath is one of the primary subjects of the media. Will attempt a cleanup, but could use some help from others who are familiar with the genre.Pwoodfor (talk) 22:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: its notclear war

message: The Films section has a sortable table but the other sectons do not.  I think it would be very helpful to create table for those too, so it can be sorted by the reader based on date vs name, etc.  Anyone up to the task?  I'm not as well versed in that.  I can make the attempt but would rather have someone with experience do it.--MartinezMD (talk) 14:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table needed 

message: Should A Letter from the Clearys be on the list of short stories?
122.49.141.104 (talk) 08:29, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short story suggestion 

message: "Barefoot Gen, Japanese manga about life after the Hiroshima bombing"
Since the Manga ist - at least in parts, especially in the first half of the series - autobiographical, and not about a holocaust, why is it in alist of "nuclear holocaust fiction"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.24.177.245 (talk) 14:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barefoot Gen 

message: What about the song Hello Planet by the Vocaloid Miku Hatsune, written by sasakure.uk? It may not be popular, but you can buy it on itunes. Its all about a robot living in a future after man has been wiped out by nucleur bombs trying to figure out what happened.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.133.32.11 (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Provide evidance of notability please.Slatersteven (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

text: What it measn is that you have to demonstrate notability, not just exsistance Wikipedia:Notability.Slatersteven (talk) 12:58, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: He provided the link on notability in his response to you.  It is covered in that article.MartinezMD (talk) 02:46, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Sorry but apart from youtube (which is not RS) the only source you have provided just proves it exists, it does not contain any information. You need third party RS discussing this and saying its about nuclear war (although it may be the lyrics are acceptable, if the translation is accurate) as I cannot find any referance to nuclear war in the lyrics. I suggest the RSN notice board for this one.Slatersteven (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

text: I'll have to check if TVtropes is RS. As its a wiki I doubt it. WP:RSNSlatersteven (talk) 14:28, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Its a notice board for the discusion of sources and if they are reliabel or not.Slatersteven (talk) 14:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have a foriegn language source post the linik here(or at the RSN board) and ask if someone else can translate it and confirm if it backs up the edit you wish to make.Slatersteven (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need someone here to translate.  If you find your source using Google it can do a basic translation.  Usually it is clear enough to understand the general points if not better.MartinezMD (talk) 22:56, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello Planet 

message: Does anyone else feel like a page on Nuclear Holocaust Fiction should include how they are not to be taken as likely? Criticism is due.
For example it is commonly believed that a nuclear war would result in a Nuclear Winter whereas that is highly speculative, as discussed in the article.
More concretely, it is commonly believed( due in no small part, to the public viewing 'Nuclear Fiction') that a Nuclear War would result in massive amounts of deformed grotesque mutant babies being born, however over 50 years of study into the effects of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have found the exact opposite.-
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The RERF clearly state- No statistically significant increase in major birth defects or other untoward pregnancy outcomes was seen among children of survivors. Monitoring of nearly all pregnancies in Hiroshima and Nagasaki began in 1948 and continued for six years. During that period, 76,626 newborn infants were examined by ABCC physicians. http://www.rerf.or.jp/radefx/genetics_e/birthdef.html
Lastly, it is common in Nuclear fiction to mock Civil Defense, again due to no small part in the public watching and believing Nuclear Fiction. However a 2010 paper by Melissa Smith -Architects of Armageddon: the Home Office Scientific Advisers'- states clearly- detailed research programmes lay behind the much-mocked government﻿ civil defence pamphlets of the 1950s and 1960s
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=7805718
So bearing all that in mind, shouldn't there be a section critiquing Nuclear Fiction? especially since it is usually the source of much of people's false beliefs on what Nuclear War would be like. Nuclear War would be horrific no doubt, but much of the Nuclear Fiction out there is utter nonsense.
At the very least, there should be a Nuclear Fiction page, like there is for accurate Sci-Fi Hard Science Fiction that includes works that are characterized by an emphasis on scientific & technical detail and accuracy.
What do you all think?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boundarylayer (talk • contribs) 00:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this articel is about fiction, not nuclerar war.Slatersteven (talk) 13:57, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Well its in the articel on science fiction.Slatersteven (talk) 11:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

text: I do understand, I just don't see that there is a distinction drawn outside of this thread. We will create a new Genre of Hard nuclear war fiction, that is nt wiki's job. Moreover this is a cover all, list, in the saem way that the List of science fiction novels does not differentiate between 'soft' and 'hard' SF.Slatersteven (talk) 13:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questioning the accuracy of scenarios presented in various Nuclear Fiction works 

message: The Atomic Cafe is not a piece of fiction, but rather a documentary about 1950s "Cold War Culture". I propose that we remove it from the list.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iannerd97 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As it's not fiction I woudl agree.Slatersteven (talk) 18:10, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Atomic Cafe 

message: There is NOTHING in the 1982 Blade Runner film to suggest it takes place after a nuclear war. It's possible Dick's novel might be so set, but the movie takes many liberties with the novel. The description with it seems to be a possible violation of WP:NOR. I suggest its removal. 70.72.211.35 (talk) 20:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure I agree with you - in the book there was mention of "World War Terminus" whatever that means.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.166.59.92 (talk) 01:18, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Blade Runner doesn't belong on this list

message: Nowhere in the film or novel The Road is the nature of the cataclysm revealed.  In fact in both the film and novel cities are somewhat intact.  There is no mention of radioactivity.  Additionally, there is numerous mention of increased seismic activity, suggesting a non nuclear event - but that is speculation on my part.  McCarthy himself never finalized the nature of the event in his mind.  When asked if it was a nuclear war or a comet, he replies something along the lines of, "Yes."  (Can't find the link to that interview.)  "A long shear of light followed by a series of low concussions" or some such.  That is all the detail we get.  In the story of Man asks Eli (the old man) to "tell him where the world went" suggesting that the Man didn't know what happened either.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.85.139.107 (talk) 16:28, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct. I believe the author intentionally left the cause vague. I can't find any reliable source that give the cause.MartinezMD (talk) 23:41, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the nature of the event was never disclosed and 'The Road' therefore doesn't belong on this list. However, as you said: "there is numerous mention of increased seismic activity, suggesting a non nuclear event" - well, in a global thermonuclear war, earthquakes and other seismic activity could (theoretically) increase due to the shock and energy of many megaton-class weapons detonating near fault lines (many nuclear targets are along fault lines; Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Rome, Reykjavik, Istanbul, Gibraltar, Islamabad, Tokyo, Jerusalem, Karachi, New Delhi - just to name a few). So that doesn't really point away from nuclear warfare as the potential cause of the event, rather it serves to make it even more ambiguous. There's always, too, the potential that the writer could have just combined a bunch of different cataclysmic events with no real cause just to make us ask "What the hell happened?" Jade Phoenix Pence (talk) 21:07, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The Road

message: Any works here in which there is any question, doubt or ambiguity about whether being nuclear in nature, should be considered for either;
* List of apocalyptic films,
* List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction or
* List of dystopian films.
(there's no need to fret...) -  theWOLFchild 18:36, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar articles/lists... 

message: I must wonder what the nature is of whatever form of mental handicap must be suffered by whomever added 'Chernobyl Diaries' to this list.
'Chernobyl Diaries' is about a group of tourists visiting the Ukrainian town of Pripyat which was abandoned after the 1986 Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant disaster; they get stranded there and unfortunate things happen to them.
It has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear warfare, the apocalypse, the end of the world, global cataclysm, World War 3, massive loss of life, or nuclear weapons in general. Just because the movie may have had a small metal sign in it depicting the radiation symbol does not warrant its presence on this list. Please, if your IQ could be the sum of a tennis score, do not edit Wikipedia. Thank you. Jade Phoenix Pence (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed 'Chernobyl Diaries' 

message: I decided to add Splatoon onto this list, as its events are caused by a nuclear strike on antarctica during world war five.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Runningcrabburps (talk • contribs) 21:48, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  splatoon 

message: George Miller himself stated so. Spartan198 (talk) 13:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mad Max 2/The Road Warrior not post-nuclear 

message: Please put The Fourth Protocol (film) into the list. Thanks. 80.62.116.140 (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fourth Protocol (film)