Talk:List of Earth starships in Stargate

message: I'm wondering, did the phoenix have an asgard core like the odyssey? on the last man i saw a room that looked alot like the core room in the odyssey (except the asgard terminal was moved to the bridge). what do you think.
Ss9999 (talk) 01:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Something has to be controlling the asgard tech, so I guess there is some kind of asgard core. Maybe not as complicated as the one the Asgard made themselves as the only bit of Asgard tech we've seen them use is the weapons, but something must be controlling those weapons. --Tango (talk) 16:42, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Well we know all ships had Asgard tech on them before the computer core was added.  I'm guessing it's not required.  I feel the computer core was given to them as a way to better understand the Asgard knowledge they were given and a way to interface with that knowledge.  I'm guessing it's not required.  To be honest it make no sense for them to build a new computer core on any other ship...in fact I'd build one on earth and keep it under lock and key. Terryrayc (talk) 17:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenix and Asgard Core 

message: Incase anyone notices, I moved the archives to match the new page name so nobody thinks they are lost.
Vala M (talk) 20:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved archives 

message: I may be wrong but i specificalily remember that an x-303 has 8 fighters but the x-304s have 16. I am just confused by a portion of the article that states all ships carry 8 fighters. I just want to make sure I'm not wrong before doing anything.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by KIHP (talk • contribs) 20:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where was it stated that they all carry 16 fighters?  So far, the episodes don't agree with that statement, so far as I can tell.  If you can provide a source, though, that'd be great and we'll figure out the best place to include it. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 02:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Okay, misunderstanding :) The article already mentions that the 304s can carry 16, but have yet only been seen to carry eight. As mentioned above, if any evidence can be found that the 304s normally carry 16 and not the eight we've come to see, then we can revise, but I'd suggest that right now, we leave the wording as-is. I'm not comfortable with the lack of citations regarding these numbers as it is... — Huntster (t • @ • c) 00:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: it is mentioned in the serries that the Oddessy and the Daedalus carry 16 F-302s, so the artcile should be changed :-)
(STARGATE SG-1 PWNS ALL SCIFI SHOWS GO STARGATE!)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.48.42 (talk) 00:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  8 fighters? 

message: Whilst I do not have the skills to, would it be possible for someone to recreate the uniform patches for the page, for example the Apollo uniform badge seen here if someone with the skills could recreate this on the computer images of the ships logo could be used in the article...if that makes sense, i feel it would look pretty good and help define each ship.(86.163.52.43 (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just use the screenshots? It's still copyrighted, whether you take it directly or recreate it yourself. --Tango (talk) 14:30, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was just an idea.(86.163.52.43 (talk) 09:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image idea 

message: I added the following
The Daedalus class ships employ an Asgard intergalactic hyperdrive which based on the fact that the distance between the Milky Way and the Pegasus Galaxy is 3 million light years gives the Daedalus a top speed greater then 5952 light years per hour.  With a ZPM onbard that speed increases to over 31250 light years per hour.
I based this off the ep regarding the gate bridge where it was stated that the distance between the two galaxys was 3 million light years.  Seeing how it takes the Daedalus 3 weeks (21 days) to reach there we know they have to be traveling atlease 5952lph to cover just the distance between, we could probably guess that they are going a lot faster, probably something in the 6500lph range but we cannot report it with fact, only that they haev to be traveling greater then 5952.  I base the zpm speed of the same information but using the stated 4 days travel time which makes the top speed greater then 31250lph Terryrayc (talk) 20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this for now; you can state that the Daedalus can make a 3 million light-year trip in 3 weeks, but extrapolating any speed out of that would be original research. -- Yzx (talk) 23:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as you state "average speed", you're fine. Assuming the speed is constant would be speculation, but everything else is stated in a reliable (primary) source. Simple mathematical calculations based on referenced figures doesn't count as original research. --Tango (talk) 00:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I'd have to agree with Tango here.  This isn't OR, they give us the distance and time, that's all that's required for speed.  Because I stated 'at least' it should be fine.  It is based on reference data, not guesses. Terryrayc (talk) 13:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: The same would apply to the section you removed from the Prometheus, again they give us distance and time which is all you need for speed.  I'd probably remove the part that says that makes them faster then any one else because that would be OR.  However using numbers they provide removes the OR issue. Terryrayc (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: No offense, but this sounds like what only a harcore fan would be interested in. Calculations based on fictional indications is not a good idea, because the writers likely just made up the numbers to begin with. If this doesn't discourage you from contributing to wikipedia's Stargate coverage, please try to find production and reception information about Earth starships from reliable sources, such as from production sketches, audio commentaries, or companion guides. – sgeureka t•c 13:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daedalus Top Speed 

message: This was added 
an experimental power supply on board the vessel put the crew in jeopardy. This power source shifted the Daedalus through various alternate realities
However If I remember it was not an experimental power supply but an experimental engine that shifted them.  While it is true the engine has an experimental power supply all that did was supply power not do the shifting. Terryrayc (talk) 15:09, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I corrected the write up to state engine not power supply. Terryrayc (talk) 18:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Engine 

message: Incase anyone notices, I moved the archives to match the new page name so nobody thinks they are lost. Terryrayc (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved archives 

message: I'm a bit concerned about the following paragraph-
A) At superficial reading it implies the Prometheus is Daedalus class
B) It implies the ships were all in service concurrently (I know this has been fleshed out in full earlier in the article) 
For you consideration...
Status quo
Five Daedalus-class battlecruisers have thus far appeared in Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. The color of the lighting and the map behind the commander's chair is different for each ship. The Prometheus is white,[18] the Daedalus is green,[31] the Odyssey is orange,[27] the Korolev is purple[36] and the Apollo is blue.[32] The Phoenix has no map, as it is replaced by an Asgard console.[37] The alternate reality Daedalus from "The Daedalus Variations" also has an orange map instead of green, which Writer and Supervising Producer Alan McCullough stated was done intentionally to differentiate it from the Daedalus of this universe.[38]
Proposed
Earth-built ships are distinguishable by their distinctive interior lighting; notably the lighting of the bridge and the back-lighting for tactical map behind the commander's chair. The Prometheus and Korolev were white and purple respectively. The Odyssey is orange, the Korolev is purple[36] and the Apollo is blue.[32] While the Daedalus is green,[31] its counterpart from "The Daedalus Variations" is also distinctive, with an orange map(a deliberate ploy according to Writer and Supervising Producer Alan MCullough ) [38]. The Phoenix (currently only featuring in the alternative timeline "Last Man Standing") has no map and is replaced by an Asgard console.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Proberton (talk • contribs) 01:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please fix/change everything that doesn't work for you, as you see fit. – sgeureka t•c 08:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A bit of ambiguity... 

message: May be its worth locking it until the final Episode of Season 5 has aired in the US? ( Unless that's already happened)
Paul Roberton (talk) 12:05, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not enough (good faith) disruption to justify a page protection at this point. If the information keeps getting added, better try for a hidden  first and revert if necessary. – sgeureka t•c 12:35, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

text: If you have a source that can be verified without engaging in illegal activities, then and only then will it be allowed on wikipedia. It's just a few days left until the ep "officially" premieres anyway. – sgeureka t•c 13:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "spoiler edit/revision" 

message: I've marked this article with the In-universe template, for obvious reasons.  As it's written now, the article's style and tone are much more appropriate for e.g. stargate.wikia.com than for Wikipedia.  John Darrow (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  True. We'll work on that. Longchenpa (talk) 18:08, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  In-universe template 

message: Is it just me, or do Tau'ri ships have a pretty crummy combat record? Prometheus and Odessey especially. I think the only naed human starship to have not lost a fight is the General Hammond (aka Phoenix - Enemy at the Gates) and that is only because it nev er actually entered the battle!
I cant actually think of an example of Prometheus winning a battle on its own (Sesaon 7 Lost City doesnt count, it had help)
----Griffin 2-6  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Griffin 2-6 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earth Ships Combat Record

message: In a photo the name plaque of the ship that was formerly the Phoenix is shown. Its the George Hammond, but in the Atlantis finale its said as the General Hammond. Which should be included. The link to the photo is http://www.gateworld.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=231451&fullsize=1 Kosridge (talk) 14:13, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A GateWorld article calls it the George Hammond and states that it is not called the General Hammond, contrary to dialogue. See (spoiler warning): http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/07/comic-con-booth-shows-off-destiny-new-stargate-universe-footage/2/ Based on this I'll modify the article. Black Sabre (talk) 08:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Hammond or George Hammond? 

message: Does anyone have any idea how large one of these ships is?
In Ark of Truth it is almost as wide as the Supergate, which Samantha Carter estimated to be 400m across (Season 9: Beachhead). based on that number, i would estimate it to be approx 350m wide and therefore about 600-700m long.
Does anyone have any more exact measurements/ideas?
Griffin 2-6 (talk) 18:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: On Stargate Wiki (which uses "Stargate Atlantis: The DVD Collection 70" as a source) it's listed as being: Length=225, Width=95m, Height/Depth=75m... although that seems much too small. Here's the 304 link on SG wiki. It also uses "Stargate SG-1: The DVD Collection 62", which gives slightly different measurements. So, that doesn't seem too useful...—Anubis 10545 (talk) 23:36, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  How big is a BC-304?

message: Presumably, when the Asgard gave all their most advanced tech to the Odyssey, that also included there intergalactic holographic communications (Red Sky) and their absurdly fast intergalactic hyperdrives (about an hour between Ida and Milky Way, if that, Small Victories).
If so, how come we have not seen any of these fantastic things yet?
Griffin 2-6 (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It may also be that to truely perform at those kind of Hyperdrive speeds, it would require a radically different vessel. I remember Thor's science vessel appearing alongside the Prometheus, and appeared to be many times larger, at least five times bigger. This could be some sort of unexplained hyperdrive field dynamics, or something as simple as needing the extra space for power generation and the better drive. Remember, we have been shown that the 304s can go many times faster with a ZPM fitted, suggesting it is the power requirements rather than the drives themselves that may be holding the 304s back from further speeds. It could also be as simple as a BIOS upgrade, as per the Aurora's hyperdrive modifications from Interstellar to Intergalactic mainly being changes in formulas used by the computer. My particular theory that it is the Asgard had power generation on the level of ZPMs, just not in the same compact form, and that most of thier ships was actually the machinery necessary to run them; as opposed to flight decks, hundreds of crew members, and cargo decks ect on the BC-304 ships; and that they simply don't have that kind of an infrastructure on the current Earth ships to work at that level, and designing a new class of ship would require a very thorough understanding of the Asgard database AND a great deal of experimentation, essentially it could take decades even if it were classified as a top priority to design a bigger, faster vessel at the peak of the knowledge they now have at their fingertips to learn. 86.133.58.214 (talk) 18:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Asgard Technology

message: Can someone explain to me why the CHAIR FORCE has starships instead of the Navy? Sure most SG Teams are Air Force, but come on!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.122.95.211 (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering that the Stargate program is run by the Air Force, I'd expect starships also attached to the program to also be run by the Air Force. Where is it stated that the Navy must run anything considered a "ship"? For that matter, both the Air Force and the Army both operate naval vessels, and of course the Navy operates aircraft from their carriers. There is plenty of overlap between the various services. — Huntster (t @ c) 02:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, spaceships fly, not sail :) -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Air Force Naval Vessels?

message: Named after Sergei Korolev (mastermind behind the Soviet space rockets) and Sun Tzu (Chinese military theorist).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 10:46, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Korolev' & 'Sun Tzu' 

message: Since everything is fiction, only things officially affiliated with the show could be used as sources. There's no other sources that are true to cannon.I think its disingenuous to put this banner on this (and MANY similar pages) which implies that it's unreliable when there is genuinely no other material to work from. Its not like the facts here are in doubt or have multiple interpretations, just that the tv show telling us isn't good enough for a wiki article about the tv show. Sure, put something about it being fictional... But don't devalue people's work in this style of article because there have been no scholarly texts on the subject of SG1 space ships.
08:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we remove the 'needs reliable sources' banner ?