Talk:Simca Vedette

message: Welcome everybody interested in further expanding this stubby article! There is so much more to say about the lovely Vedette, but I have restrained myself to including the info I can find sources for (though I am afraid I might not have been too consistent on that and add a few words from myself...). Anyway, assistance in finding sources would be appreciated, and if you have some info on the model that you can't find sources for, drop it here!
Some stuff I have found:
*  - A Motorlegend article in French about the second-generation Simca Vedette (referred to as Chambord). Access is granted only to a short summary, but perhaps somebody is a subscriber with this site? There are also links to the Ariane, previous Vedette (referred to as Versailles) and Presidence there. Some of the information I have accessed through Google Translate (long live the "high-speed motorboat"!) seems to contradict the info from the sources I used...
*  A period French commercial for the Chambord (and, apparently Beaulieu). The scary voiceover lady mentions some Rush-matic semiautomatic, while some special effects provide for the car appearing to drive by itself!
*  The same commercial for the Brazilian market for Portuguese speakers :D Moderno automovil! Frenos super potentes!
* The French "Gazoline" magazine of course featured the Vedette numerous times - perhaps somebody is a subscriber?
Regards, Bravada, talk - 01:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

message: ===Vedette 1955===
Here are the characteristics of the Simca Vedette in 1955. Sorry it is in French.
*MOTEUR - 8 cylindres en V. Cylindrée : 2351 cm³. Alésage, course : 66,1 X 85,7 mm.
Puissance fiscale : 13 CV. Puissance réelle : 80 ch à 4400 tr/mn, Compres-
sion : 7,2. Soupapes latérales commandées par un arbre à cames central. Vilebrequin à 
3 paliers. Alimentation par un carburateur double corps Zénith type 32 NDIX ; réservoir
à essence de 60 litres. Refroidissement par eau ; circuit de 17 litres. Equipement électri-
que : 6 volts, 90 ampères.
*TRANSMISSION - Classique aux roues arrières. Embrayage monodisque sec. Boîte 3 vi-
tesses (2e et 3e synchronisées) avec levier de commande sous le volant.
*FREINS - A commande hydraulique, avec tambours AV/AR
*SUSPENSION - AV à roues indépendantes du type Mac Pherson, avec ressorts hélicoï-
daux placés très haut et amortisseurs incorporés ; AR à essieu rigide, avec ressorts à
lames longitudinaux.
*DIRECTION - Gemmer à vis et galet. PNEUS 6.40 X 13
*DIMENSIONS - Empattement : 269 cm. Voies AV / AR : 137/134 cm. Longueur : 452 cm.
Largeur : 175 cm. Hauteur : 148 cm.
*POIDS - A vide en ordre de marche : 1150 kg. VITESSE - 140 km/h.
*PRIX - En novembre 1954 : Trianon 798 000 F ; Versailles 898 000 F ; Régen-
ce 1 045 000 F
The Marly is not sold before the end of the 1955 model year. A transparent opening roof called Vistadome is offered on all sedans.
===Vedette 1956===
In 1956, the Vedette is modified: new licence plate attachment to the bumper on the front, the rear licence plate is articulated and hides the gas tank filling.  The dashboard gets a second partial odometer and a foot/pedal commanded windscreen water jet. The Versaille gets a central arm rest atthe back, and the Régence gets one at the front. The Trianon is simplified, it loses the vertical bumper elements, the chrome decor of the windscreen disappears. The Marly is in oproduction and starts to be sold in January 1956.
Trianon 790 000 F Versailles 889 000 F Régence 1 035 000 F Marly 1 150 000 F. Suplement for Vistadome roof 44 500 F.Hektor 16:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the great info! Am I to understand that it's all from the book you have? I have seen you tried to create a reference for it, I will do that in a moment. I am wondering whether we will be able to have absolutely all the details in the article, we'll see... Is the Vistadome a moonroof or something more complex, like the Ford Crown Victoria Skyliner, which had the whole front part of the roof made of transparent plexiglass? Bravada, talk - 18:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vedette years

message: In 1956, the Vedette is modified: new licence plate attachment to the bumper on the front, the rear licence plate is articulated and hides the gas tank filling.  The dashboard gets a second partial odometer and a foot/pedal commanded windscreen water jet. The Versaille gets a central arm rest atthe back, and the Régence gets one at the front. The Trianon is simplified, it loses the vertical bumper elements, the chrome decor of the windscreen disappears. The Marly is in oproduction and starts to be sold in January 1956.
Trianon 790 000 F Versailles 889 000 F Régence 1 035 000 F Marly 1 150 000 F. Suplement for Vistadome roof 44 500 F.Hektor 16:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all the great info! Am I to understand that it's all from the book you have? I have seen you tried to create a reference for it, I will do that in a moment. I am wondering whether we will be able to have absolutely all the details in the article, we'll see... Is the Vistadome a moonroof or something more complex, like the Ford Crown Victoria Skyliner, which had the whole front part of the roof made of transparent plexiglass? Bravada, talk - 18:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vedette 1956

message: I would like to start a list of issues that it would be good to determine, finding source answering those questions:
* Was the Vedette's body, both in the first and in the second generation, designed and styled by Ford or by Simca? Did Ford have a styling/design studio in France that Simca took over, or did the design come from Dearborn?
**Bellu says entirely Ford design. Designed in Detroit but prepared in Poissy , for what it meansHektor 18:19, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Questions to be answered 

message: Oh wow, we're on the front page - much sooner than I expected! Let's hope this will bring some more editors in! I will try to include the information Hektor added above in a moment, but I still have the all-important question, IS THIS FROM BELLU'S BOOK?. I know this is stupid, but I really wouldn't want to misreference that.
*Yes it is including the three scans. I don't know about the copyright status of these, seems very unclear to me,Hektor 16:06, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another important thing 

message: As you might have seen, I have also created a stub on the Ariane. I have nominated this interesting model (along with the nice photo sourced from the French Wikipédie :D ) for DYK, but I guess the nomination might perish on the grounds that it is a stub. I have basically copied all the info on the Ariane I could find from the online sources used for this article, but if anybody could add to that, I would be most grateful. We basically need just one mor paragraph and I think it won't be a stub anymore :D Merci, Bravada, talk - 19:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Simca Ariane]] - help needed 

message: Today I went on to do some research on the Ford Vedette and finally sorted out the "Simca Vedette as Ford" controversy, as well as learned some other interesting facts - see Ford Vedette for details! The article is still quite undeveloped - e.g. I am almost sure the saloon version (with an extended boot) replaced the fastback in 1952, but I can't find a reference stating that directly. I have two sources that might be very informative, but one is in French and the other in Portuguese - so I invite those of you for whom these are native languages to check them out :D Bravada, talk - 19:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  All the pieces begin to fit... 

message: Dear All,
I would like to cordially invite you to come and discuss all general Simca-related Wikipedia issues on talk:Simca. There is one quite urgent issue to be acquainted with currently there. Regards, Bravada, talk - 05:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Come discuss Simca stuff! 

message: There's a question as to the suspension of the 1949 Ford Vedette.
There is broad agreement that the Vedette became an early car to use MacPherson struts. At least by 1954 (by which time it was Simca building them, not Ford) it used struts. Also in 1950 the Ford Consul was using struts.
The question is, did the 1949 Ford Vedette use struts from the outset, or did it use a different suspension system (unequal length wishbones have been suggested, presumably with lever shocks?  Was the bodyshell then redesigned for struts when it went to Simca?
(Posted at all three of the relevant talk pages, but please reply at Talk:MacPherson strut#Ford Vedette suspension?)
Andy Dingley (talk) 13:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Ford Vedette]] suspension? 

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