Talk:Michael J. Fox/Archive 1

message: There seems to be links to this page from sources that clearly refer to Michael Fox (born 1921) not Michael J. Fox (born 1961). See link below:
http://boldandbeautiful.com/bb/main/castofactors/fox_michael/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.248.177.133 (talk) 05:50, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial text

message: For Michael J. Fox? Canadian? American? Both? Sources? Anyone?
I would like to leave a thought for Michael J. Fox.  I have started using Stem Cell Inhancment and have seen an inprovement in my eyesite and the healing of my back problems that have pleged me for 28 years.  This is avalable on line at stemtech healt sciences.com.  If all else is failing this may help Michael.  I really enjoy his movies and don't like to see Michael go through this if Stem Cell inhancemnet will help.
Thanks Warren
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Hi there'''
Here is one source NNDB and  Michael's profile
--alfiboy 05:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citizenship

message: 75.22.32.134 05:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TV has harsher deadlines that a political ad. Fox, and his handlers, could have done as you said and waited for him to have less symptoms easier for these spots much easier than they could pick and choose when to film a tv episode. Kyaa the Catlord 05:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just  one question for Michael, Did he live in a home that had been treated for termites,in the from 1972 through1987,because dieldrin and aldrin were used? 

message: Wasn't he also a vocal supporter of John Kerry's bid for the presidency in '04?  And does anyone else find it ironic that the man who brought us "Alex P. Keaton" is a Democrat?  -Grammaticus Repairo 00:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ironic?  No, since Alex P. Keaton is a fictional character, and Michael J. Fox is an actor.  Unless, of course, you also find it ironic that the man who portrayed little white laboratory mouse is also an advocate of stem cell research. 68.13.244.167 03:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OMG! Alex P. Keaton ISN'T a real person?!? Say it aint' so! I also wasn't aware that Stuart Little was a lab mouse, nor that there is a major controversy about stem cell research in rodents.  Thanks for clearing that all up for me!  -Grammaticus Repairo 22:19, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you apparently know very little about what is involved in human stem cell research or even the definition of "laboratory mouse".  And an actor portraying a character that deviates from said actor's personality traits is hardly unusual.  Would you also consider it ironic if Kevin Bacon publicly condemned child abuse?  Oh lord, what a stupid arguement.  I can't believe I'm actually participating in it.  Good day, friend. 192.234.13.40 20:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I never claimed substantial knowledge concerning stem cell research, but I will note that the text of wiki article 'Stem Cell Controversy' does not contain the word 'mouse'.  I also am not an expert on the clinical definitions of rodents used for medical experiments, but, if I recall correctly, Stuart was born into a human family living in New York City.  So unless the terms 'mouse' and 'laboratory mouse' are interchangeable, I hardly think your criticism is valid.  And, certainly, actors being actors is not just cause to use the descriptive term 'irony'.  However, I hardly think that Kevin Bacon is particularly prominently known for his role in 'Sleepers' (nor was the movie a major part of pop culture in the mid 90's).  On the other hand, 'Family Ties' (particularly the character of Alex P. Keaton) WAS an extremely popular show and is arguably a significant piece of pop culture.  In fact, the wiki article itself proclaims that "Alex is most famous for being an extremely conservative Republican" and that "Ronald Reagan once stated that Family Ties was his favorite television show."  And, yes, this is a stupid argument.  I'm sorry that so many of you seem to have a problem allowing for the posibility that someone else might have a different sense of irony than you yourself do.  Interesting that nobody has supplied any additional information about his involvement in the Kerry campaign, yet a perceived misuse of the word 'irony' is cause to 'contribute'.  -Grammaticus Repairo 00:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, from the looks of it you were the one that brought up the subject of irony.  If you wanted to start a legitimate high-brow intellectual "let's all read The Atlantic Monthly"discussion about Michael J. Fox's support for John Kerry, then you should have said so.  But since you didn't and opted to start a stupid arguement instead, we'll just poke fun at your strange logic.  Like this.  I personally find it ironic (and downright offensive) that Michael J. Fox played the time-traveling Marty McFly when, in fact, Michael J. Fox has never actually participated in time-travel.  He also tried to convince us that he was a slam-dunking werewolf (Teenwolf) and served in Vietnam (Casualties of War, though I suppose we've come to expect this type of behavior from Sean Penn).  What a hypocrite, that Michael J. Fox.  Next thing you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to tell us he didn't actually mow down 20 policemen with a machine gun prior to becoming the governor of California and that, in fact, his father was a police officer.  Or was that your buddy Ronnie Reagan?  Hell, I can't keep up.  Oh, by the way, according to Wikipedia (the foremost authority on everything), "House Mouse", "Laboratory Mouse", and "Fancy Mouse" are all the common names for the species Mus musculus, and that human stem cell research utilizes murine cell cloning techniques.  Ha!  This is so much fun!  Peace.  --buck 02:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your logic is absoultely unassailable.  War.  -Grammaticus Repairo 02:12, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think you all are taking this way out of proportion! I'm sure Grammaticus Repairo knew all along that Alex P Keaton is a fictional character - and he was not trying to argue that Michael J Fox should be exactly like Alex P Keaton. He was just making a simple statement that it's ironic that Michael J Fox has views contrary from his Alex P Keaton character, and I see nothing harmful about that statement. For your information, I completely agree with Michael J Fox's views on stem cell research - but it was learning more about his Alex P Keaton that I learned to not be so critical of conservatives. Plus Michael J Fox himself mentioned that we should not resort to name-calling or inflammatory language when it comes to discussing politics. So it was through the influence of Michael J Fox that #1) I have another reason to lean politically liberal (besides the war), and #2) I have learned to become more tolerant and accepting of those who lean conservative, even if I don't necessarily agree with him. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.129.139.187 (talk) 03:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kerry Supporter? 

message: I don't edit pages that I don't follow, so I'm dropping a note here. Fox did not "open" the Ali Center in Louisville. Ali did. I live here. Fox was here for the opening, I'm sure he donated money, but Ali and his wife opened the center, raised the money, they are nominally in charge of the center. The center also has nothing to do with Parkinson, it is a "peace center" whatever that means (They're still figuring it out, it's doing horribly). The director is Michael Fox, but not the J.
Also, I find it odd that Spin City isn't noted in his career section. Rjstultz 02:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Problems 

message: :Many conservatives, such as Ramesh Ponnuru, contended that the media reaction to Limbaugh's comments were disingenuous because they avoided a discussion of Limbaugh's specific comments about embyronic stem cell research but still cited Limbaugh's comments as "foolish" [8]
I don't think this statement should be here for a couple of reasons. (1) the source cited is mediamatters, which probably shouldn't be used (due to it's partisan nature) unless every other method of obtaining highly relevant audio/video has been tried (and failed).  And even then only with caution, however I'm unaware of wiki's policy on this.  (2) the source cited does not support the overall contention about "many conservatives", instead it supports only the quote from Ramesh Ponnuru.  I plan to take out later unless supported with a citation.R. Baley 19:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ultimately removed by user Eleemosynary, along with rest of paragraph.  In the interest of building consensus, I agree that the paragragh was too meta to be relevant.R. Baley 21:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More unsourced/poorly sourced statements

message: I find it a bit intersting that Michael J. Fox clearly states that his motions in the advertisement are *not* Parkinson's symptoms, but symptoms of the medication (see interview with Terry Gross in which he claims medicative diskinesia) but the referenced expert on Parkinson's (Elaine Richman, a Baltimore neuroscientist) claims that, "[a]nyone who knows the disease well would regard his movement as classic severe Parkinson's disease. Any other interpretation is misinformed.."
So who's misinformed? Richman or Fox?
15:38 EDT 27 October 2006
I believe her comment was trying to address (albeit a bit clumsily) whether Fox was 'faking' or 'acting'.  I don't think she was distiguishing between med induced symptoms and the actual Pd symptoms.  As I understand it, the meds produce this kind of movement.  And she probably recognized that Fox (as well as others with severe forms of the disease) would probably be on this type of medication as a matter of course (as much as possible, or can be tolerated by the patient, wrt the diminishing returns on the long term efficacy of the drug).  Hope this helps.R. Baley 19:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflicting accounts?

message: Since things have died down a little, I would like to start tightening up section 1.3 some.  But I want to do it in a way that builds consensus and doesn't result in a lot of back and forth partisan activity.  If you would like to help leave a note here as I can't constantly monitor this article by myself, and I refuse to be a lone "hall monitor"
::Some things to do (in progress): 
:(1) clean up reference section. I'm done with this part, if anyone wants to look it over, please do R. Baley 09:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (2)I think that the statement from Fox's Lucky Man concerning his medication at the senate hearing should move down to # 1.3.2 Fox on Parkinson's disease.  Please leave 'agree' or 'diasagree' plus 4 tildas here. Done, no comments left after 1 day. R. Baley 21:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In response to the Missouri ad, actors Jim Caviezel and Patricia Heaton, and athletes Kurt Warner, Jeff Suppan, and Mike Sweeney all participated in a counter-ad stating that Amendment 2 in Missouri, which related to government funding of embryonic stem cell research would be costly without producing results, legalize cloning, and that it would be harmful to women. However, the amendment passed and McCaskill was elected.
Four reasons: (1) I don't think it was "in response", this ad was already in progress.  Fox's ad accelerated the production of it. (2)Fox's ad didn't say anything about ammendment #2, he endorsed one candidate and opposed her opponent. (3) TMI -this article is about Fox, the other commercial is barely related (4) breaks up article flow.
what does everybody think? R. Baley 22:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Contrary to many reports Limbaugh has not apologized.[1]
reasons: (1) breaks up article flow, (2)his actual quote is in the article, readers can judge for themselves how genuine the apology is (more of the quote could be included, but brevity is better), (3)a lot of msm outlets didn't report it this way, whatever the interpretation is.
I do think it would be OK, however, to include the mediamatters link/citation (with the other two links -CBS and The New Zealand Herald) following the quote in the prev. paragraph. R. Baley 22:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing Stem cell advocacy section

message: Is this appropriate, given that he became an American citizen later? --Steven Fisher 19:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  American child actors? 

message: Some biographies feature these miniatures of flags along with the name of the person's nation of birth. The dilemma is, if the flag changes (as with Fox), what flag do you put there? The larger question is, what is the purpose of the flag? If it's to quickly identify the country (apparently for those who can't read the word "Canada" nearby), then it should be the current Canadian flag, because that's the one most of public will know. Putting an old flag there forces someone to click on it just to see what it's supposed to be. In short, it's confusing, not enlightening, unless someone has a hidden agenda of trying to educate the public about every country's flag history. For comparison, what about an American celebrity born before 1960. Would you then insist on a 48-star flag instead of the current 50-star flag? Wahkeenah 12:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really a problem, and thanks for leaving a note.  Sometimes the flag icon can cause problems, but as I stated before, one flag, the current flag, of Canada is fine (with me at least).  Sometimes other flags have been added (province flag, older Canadian flag (in use at time of birth)) resulting in "flag bloat".  At least one time a flag has been added on this page, resulting in the (I'm assuming here) inadvertent removal of actual information.  This problem is not restricted to just this page either as this archived discussion indicates. R. Baley 21:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: I have failed the article Michael J. Fox (nomination]) on the grounds of 1. a) - I believe the article reads too clumsily. If you believe my decision is wrong, please contact me at my talk page with your reasons...and please be strict with me - we all must learn!
Regards, and my apologies to the users who have put their time and efforts into the article...it's almost there.
Anthonycfc [T • C] 21:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:GA|Good Article]] nomination 

message: There does seem to be a little controversy over his height. MJF himself claims to be 5 ft 5 in tall, but other sources say that he's 5' 4" tall. Some say he might even be a little shorter.
75.129.139.187 08:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael J Fox's Height 

message: Hi Michael fans,  this article contains the statment 'He decided to adopt a new middle initial and settled on "J" in reference to character actor Michael J. Pollard. Sometimes he jokes that the J stands for "Jenius" or "Jenuine".'  However, at Rocky and Bullwinkle#References in Popular Culture, it says he added the "J" as a tribute to Jay Ward, much like Matt Groening et al did for Homer J. Simpson.  These statements can't both be right and neither is sourced. Spebudmak 04:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflict over Middle Initial 

message: Good catch by anon 74.128.122.17, just to make sure this doesn't get put back in, I'll leave a reference (New york Times via Lexis Nexis) here. . .
::CORRECTION-DATE: November 23, 2005
CORRECTION:
Because of an editing error, the Sports of The Times column on Monday about the dedication of the Muhammad Ali Center in Louisville, Ky., referred incorrectly in some copies to Michael J. Fox, the president of the center. He is a veteran museum director, not the actor. (italics mine)R. Baley 01:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael J Fox and the Muhammad Ali Center 

message: Can no wikipedian find a reference to the work he did on Spin City, beyond the tv credit? It really should be in this article. Clerks. 18:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've set up a category for it, hopefully others will agree. . .I will place some info here until I (or someone)can work it in. . .found via lexis-nexis (pasted 335 of 892 words):
from: The Sunday Oregonian (Portland, Oregon), September 15, 1996 Sunday 
byline:JAY BOBBIN, Tribune Media Services
"The Canadian-born actor reteams with his ``Family Ties mentor, writer-producer Gary David Goldberg, in the ABC sitcom ``Spin City.. . .
"`I didn't put myself in play,' Fox said about his decision to return to weekly TV work, ``or say, `OK, I'm out there. Everybody send me stuff.' I was approached by a particular producer and just started to have conversations with him, then I went away to New Zealand for seven months (to make the movie `The Frighteners') . . . and while I was there, the idea of a regular job started to sound really good.'
Fox ultimately decided against doing the show for which he initially was approached, but others soon detected his renewed interest in series employment.
One of them was Jeffrey Katzenberg, a partner -- along with Steven Spielberg -- in the DreamWorks SKG production firm. Katzenberg pitched Fox on the idea of working with Goldberg again, and the actor said, ``I had such a great relationship with Gary, I didn't want to screw it up. I didn't know whether or not we'd be able to work together again, because I'm 35 years old now and I won't wash his car anymore.''
Ultimately, that didn't matter, because Fox was pleased with what he received by fax three days after his first meeting on the project with Goldberg and Bill Lawrence, the series co-creator and co-producer.
``I'd read the first page and hand it to my wife (actress Tracy Pollan), and she'd read it while I read the second page, and it was this syncopated laughter," Fox said. "We finished reading the first act and both kind of simultaneously said, `This is it.' ''
Having played a presidential adviser opposite Michael Douglas in last year's movie The American President, Fox admited he had concerns about doing another politically themed role so soon: ``What they explained to me in the meeting, and what I've seen in the writing since then, was sufficient evidence to me that this is a completely different guy.
R. Baley 01:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spin City

message: I removed this text:
"Michael J. Fox will unfortunately lose his battle to Parkinson's on January 14, 2009. Good riddance to Marty McFly."
It makes you wonder what kind of person would put something like that in an article.
BTW - I was having a login problem so that edit under 69.204.214.27 was me.
--Allan 17:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for catching what would generally be called an act of vandalism.  Sometimes people (especially new users) like to experiment and end up making inappropriate changes to articles; sometimes, the edits are more intentional and/or malicious than others.  Please read WP:VANDAL and learn how to place warnings on the talk pages of the users who are at fault.--Vbd (talk) 17:51, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed text