Talk:Jayne Cobb

message: The following edit history is from the original Jayne Cobb article:
* (cur) (last)  15:36, 24 June 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge between Jayne Cobb articles

message: As I'd suggested at Talk:Firefly (television series)#Unnecessary disambiguation for character articles, I've requested that this article, currently titled "Jayne Cobb (Firefly character)", be moved to "Jayne Cobb", because WP policy prefers undisambiguated names when there is (and is likely to be) only one such name. I couldn't do it myself because both articles already had an edit history. The short-name version had been merged with the long-name one, but the former's edit history had not been posted on this talk page. I've remedied that, so I'm hoping the move will proceed swiftly. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: It seems to me that in the origional pilot "Serenity" (not to be confused with the movie of the same name) Jayne was being set up to be an honorable (or at least completly loyal to Mal) character albit a crude and possibly bloodthirsty one.  I'm thinking that the FOX people didn't like that and wanted a more straight-forward mercenary character and had his character changed for their reworked "vision".  This interpretation, if true, would neatly fix the contraversies mentioned about this character being, or not being, loyal to Mal and I think there is sufficient evidence to add a "The Two Jayne Cobbs" subsection to the article.  Does anyone object (or want to do it themselves to save me the hassle)?  I'll probably add this in a week or two if no objections are raised here, and nobody else does it first.
LittleBrother
:I disagree. Aside from the fact that it could be called original research, I don't see a huge difference between the pilot Cobb and the character shown throughout the rest of the series. I don't think you'll find there's a huge controversy about it - I just feel the article in its current form needs to be re-written concerning his loyalty, as it was clearly not complete. - Hayter 15:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "The Two Jayne Cobbs"

message: I think this page is in need of some clean up. The info needs to be organize into sections and not be one long paragraph, which is a little chaotic. For an example of what I think it should be more like, see Malcolm Reynolds.   JQF 00:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks! Will tackle it :-) -plange 01:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: The article currently says Jayne doesn't have many fears.  I don't see that at all.  He is frequently shown as the big tough guy who's actually very afraid, and Malcolm is the fearless one.  For instance:
* He is more overtly afraid of Reavers than anyone else on the ship
* He was very fearful about being on the Jaynestown planet until he discovered that they worship hom
* He is afraid of River and wants to get rid of the Tams as soon as possible
* He is afraid the crew would find out about his treachery on their trip to Ariel
It's easy to confuse his combat skills and macho demeanor for fearlessness, but I think that's a mistake.  If you doubt that these are examples of fear, consider how Mal would behave in each case.  --Doradus 13:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubts about his fearlessness 

message: There is at least one mention of this in the series ("Well, Jayne ain't no girl!") and I've heard some discussion about this in relation to the old "Boy Named Sue" song, but I always figured it was a reference to "Jayne's Defense Weekly", a military periodical. Is this work mentioning here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.212.175.249 (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Except the military publication is spelled Jane's.--68.102.156.139 07:07, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  … and unsourced analysis, including fan comparisons to other popular media, is original research, which is not proper article content. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Indeed.--68.102.156.139 04:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jayne as "girl's name" 

message: Should we add a paragraph on Jayne's romantic life in his 'personality' section? By that I mean his willingness to take Saffron as a wife if Mal truly didn't want her (willing to make a fair trade), and that woman he spent the night with in "Jaynestown"? Mooyah 05:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's enough to actually comment on; outside those two examples, there's nothing (though there's also the whore in "Heart of Gold"). At most, all we can say is "Jayne is straight", which is hardly encyclopedic. EVula // talk // ☯ // 15:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although it might constitute OR, we could say that he doesn't greatly value females not part of the crew, taking them for granted, whether they be whores, Saffron, girl in Jaynestown, etc. Mooyah 17:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Doesn't value" is a pretty wide open and nebulous term; he obviously attaches some value to them. Not as much as the ones on the crew, but that's primarily because those females have a direct impact on his life in general; you could make the argument that hardly anybody on Serenity values non-crew as much as crew members (see Mal pushing the guy off the mule in the movie, for example, or Mal's overall attitude towards the Tams in "Safe" for a different take on the same argument). EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:06, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romantic life