Talk:Trisomy X

message: This article lacks a flow when reading. Many sentences are too short and could be combined. For example, two sentences in the second line of the article could be combined to read "Those affected by Triple X Syndrome are often taller than average, but there are typically no other physical abnormalities." There are a few missing commas throughout the article. A sentence under "Psychological" should read "On average, those affected have IQs that are 20 points lower than normal."
Ddesalvo2016 (talk) 14:02, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedit

message: Of the last 250 edits to this page at least 170 were vandalism and its correction. People are obviously not finding the topic they are looking for. Have protected. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:52, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: First paragraph, third sentence: Change "Usually there is no other physical differences" to "Usually there are no other physical differences" Shbert (talk) 14:10, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thankyou for pointing that out! regards, DRAGON BOOSTER  ★ 14:58, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2017 

message: In what way does the bit under the paragraph " Epidemiology" mentioning that; " On average, five to ten girls with triple X syndrome are born in the United States each day." 
contribute to clarification of the epidemiological aspect, unless that rate is somehow disproportional to the average ? ( which, in case, isn't mentioned ) I suggest either to delete that sentence or add numbers covering more globally. Flight714 (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  US of A irrelevant data 

message: 49.14.132.172 (talk) 14:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Dolotta (talk) 14:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2018 

message: Once the renaming debate is over, I plan to make some major edits to this page and the other pages regarding polysomy X syndromes for quality purposes. This article isn't bad, per se, but I'd argue it's a lot closer to the Start than B classification, and most sections can be massively expanded or revamped. I'd WP:BEBOLD and dive into it after the move, but I just want to make sure there isn't anyone who's particularly married to any short/undersourced sections or has their own plans to improve this and related articles. Also, given its status as a semi-protected article that previously saw extensive vandalism due to the name's connotations, I figured I'd leave a statement on the talk page so nobody gets surprised when the edit history reveals substantial changes. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major article edits 

message: 37.106.86.121 (talk) 12:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 13:00, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2018 

message: 2405:204:A40C:3232:0:0:886:30A5 (talk) 13:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2018 

message: Please add a remark on autism like features in triple X syndrome, also in adults: DOI: https://doi.org/10.1192/bjo.2021.8[Opens in a new window] to the references on psychological problems. DrTripleXsyndrome (talk) 16:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 March 2021 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 09:58, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Triple X syndrome →  – Three years ago now, this (as bundled with the pentasomy X move) closed as no consensus. I think it's time to revisit the topic again, considering recent work on these articles, the longstanding name consistency for the other disorders, and the nuances of WP:COMMONNAME.
The matter of "what's the single most common name for this disorder?" (which is a slightly different thing to the COMMONNAME policy, which explicitly discusses both ambiguity and contexts where a less common name is appropriate) is ambiguous, but points overall to trisomy X. NORD, Orphanet, and AXYS use "trisomy X". Mayo, Medline, and Cleveland use "triple X syndrome". Unique uses both. My consistent impression is that patient organizations have a strong preference away from 'triple X syndrome', and this is reflected in much of the literature, which for sex chromosome aneuploidies is intertwined enough with those organizations that it's difficult to draw a fine line. The publications of the researchers most preeminent in this field trend towards trisomy X, see e.g. Tartaglia (random papers drawn from that sample: 1, 2). Trisomy X is the term used by the eXtraordinarY Kids Program, one of the major evaluation and treatment programs for sex chromosome aneuploidies. Overall, although "triple X syndrome" has nontrivial use, the preference in recent years and amongst those who work directly in this field is away from it and towards "trisomy X".
In addition, there's the consistency argument. Tetrasomy X and pentasomy X have been at the polysomy titles for four and three years respectively without issue, and standardizing the set by having all three in the same place can only be a positive. There's also an argument for conciseness here (two words over three).
Overall, I think our article policies point strongly in the direction that "trisomy X" is the preferable name. It's the preference amongst patient and support organizations, at worst equal to the current title on the grand scale, and consistent with our other usage. It's also, well, a much less awkward phrasing, which doesn't hurt. Vaticidalprophet 06:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 10 April 2021 

message: This article gets somewhat more attention than the unwatched ones I've been sandbox rewriting, so I'm leaving a talk page note for transparency, so people who pay attention to the article can see what I'm doing before it goes into mainspace, and to allow people to raise any concerns they have as I go along. I'm currently rewriting this article at User:Vaticidalprophet/Trisomy X, as I previously did with tetrasomy X (now a GA undergoing pre-FAC peer review) and pentasomy X (now finishing up GAN). I'd estimate at the time of this message I'm about one-eighth through one-tenth of the way through. I prefer to work in sandboxes because my style for radical rewrites is too messy (leaving stuff half-finished for extended periods, linking stuff to refer to later, etc) to be mainspace-friendly. Feel free to take a look. Vaticidalprophet 23:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the mainspace version now. Vaticidalprophet 15:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandbox rewrite 

message: We propose that we write , because this is a formal context, and we consider it pejorative to be calling a mature adult a "girl" here. Elizium23 (talk) 17:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I also thought the phrasing of the caption was a little off Dracophyllum 06:22, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't necessarily mind that compromise, though I think it a little clunky. It's better than 'females'. Vaticidalprophet 05:38, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox photo caption 

message: Pinging  and . Every possible rendition of "female", "girl", and "women" in different parts of the lead has been litigated quite extensively since the period the article's been brought to FAC, and I suspect it needs fuller discussion than the current pattern of undiscussed changes. The prior discussion on the infobox caption led to the conclusion "girls and women" was an acceptable wording, although no one's changed it to that yet. The alt text is still "females", which I think is pretty clunky and should be standardized to the caption. IMO, "female" is the correct phrasing for the first sentence of the lead, even though it's inappropriate for the caption/alt text (IMO, "female" > "females"). This is a medical article, and it's standard practice for disorders that affect one sex to refer to patients as "male" or "female" (rather than "men" or "women") in at least the very opening when the condition is a congenital one that affects patients over the entire lifespan, and so the adult implications of "man/woman" are inappropriate. See e.g. Turner syndrome, Tetrasomy X, Pentasomy X. I think at any rate these disputes at least need to be resolved, though. Vaticidalprophet 16:52, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for the ping. I'm a layperson, but I find "a female" to be insulting and objectifying, whereas "a female patient", where "female" is an adjective rather than a noun, to be perfectly normal. The age issue can be circumvented by writing "girls or women", as is occasionally done elsewhere in the article. I'm ready to convinced otherwise though if this is standard for medical articles; do we have a MOS on this?  Sandstein  17:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MEDMOS covers medical matters broadly. It doesn't mention this specific matter, which is more de facto practice than de jure MOS-holy-writ (inasmuch as the MOS is... etc, etc), but it does disavow the "female patient" wording you propose -- "patients/cases" language is cautioned against where possible. I find the consistency between similar articles persuasive; in addition to the use in Turner's/tetra/penta X, the equivalent wording of "where a male has" is seen in Klinefelter syndrome, XYY syndrome, and related disorders. I do think it's a wording that shouldn't be overused, because it's certainly a clinical one, but medical articles can handle a degree of clinical wording. Vaticidalprophet 17:30, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Female/girl/woman" wording 

message: Ref 17 () is used to support "some women with trisomy X  [...] have acquired advanced degrees or worked in cognitive fields". Unless I'm missing something, I don't see where the last part of this sentence is supported by the source. The only mention of occupational history in women with trisomy X is . Is this information in some other source? Spicy (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, weird. The previous source (#19, Kliegman and St. Geme textbook chapter) gets at a similar idea with  but that doesn't quite support what's in the article. I rejiggered the wording to something supported by the textbook chapter. If I find where the "advanced degrees" bit came from, I'll add it back. Ajpolino (talk) 23:41, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Query