Talk:Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children/Archive 1

message: Are you talking about a transcript of the preview videos shown at the Venice and Montreal film festivals? I have a copy as well as an audio recording. Also, I believ that Rufus Shinra should be included in the returning characters list.--IdoAlphaOmega 06:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preview Script? 

message: I changed the release date to that which is on the official trailer on the AC website. It says the date for japan is 1 day after that of america. Not really a dreadfully important detail but i thought it should be corrected just to be accurate. -Tik
Some sites have pre orders for August 14. -- Psi edit
I believe it, your referring to places like suncoast or other movie stores im presuming? if your know the names of some of the companies you could list one or 2 and state that preorders are being taken place, this would be helpful but would have to be removed post-release.
Never mind I was wrong. -- Psi edit
Lol :( well its ok, i bet pre-orders will take place soon so you werent completely wrong, just got your date mixed up ;) -tik
Yeah I know. Best Buy has a preorder. I just misread the date. -- Psi edit
Actually does anyone know exactly where to get a DVD copy of the movie when it comes out? So far Gamestop is releasing the DVD at November which I think is absurd. -- Psi edit
Thank you to whoever changed the wording for the original release date in hte opening paragragh, if anyone read the EGM for this month it had an interview with i think the release date somewhere in the article. i dont have it in front of me but yeah november is the new target area for release date, hey Psi, u may be able to stop at any dvd store who regularly gets new titles like best buy and circuit city. gamestop online maybe but not the store.Tik 15:18, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date change 

message: I've read from some FF websites that Final Fantasy VII; Advent Children will be released in cinema for Japan on 8 and 10 of September 2005 and the mondial's before-première (I don't know the exact term, I'm not english, but you should understand) in Europe on end-2005 at the 62nd Festival of Venise. If you go to the Japanese website of Advent Children and go to the info section's 2nd page, you can see 9.8 and 9.10 which must stand for these two dates, but I can't confirm they're talking about a cinema release date as I don't understand Japanese. – DarkEvil 14:02, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm a native Japanese, but I can write poor English... I translate literally.
:September 8, JAPAN Premier (previewing event)
:September 10, private screening　(opening to the public)
:"JAPAN Premier" is preview event's name.
:Darc 15:14:49, 2005-08-05 (UTC)
*Well, thanks for the help! This should confirm a Japanese Cinema release date. – DarkEvil 15:39, August 5, 2005 (UTC)
– Sadly though, it will most likely not be seen across shores. Even if it is, the likelyhood of it reaching non metropolis areas is very very low. We will just have to get it on DVD.--216.212.238.38 19:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cinema 

message: How do you know this is rufus, do you have proof?
If you have a SE comment or a character states the person in the wheelchair is rufus in the trailer than you can keep the revert with link to source, however if you have no proof its no good and shouldnt be included.-Tik
Well it would mean the world to me to have your permission to edit this article, so I'll play along.
From Wikipedia:Rufus Shinra returns as a character in the upcoming Final Fantasy VII movie sequel, Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children, produced by Square Enix. In previews and trailers, Rufus is seen sitting in the wheelchair shrouded in a blanket. He is said to be at this point suffering from the last stages of the disease called Geostigma. Rufus tries to enlist the help of Cloud Strife, but he also appears to be in league with the three silver-haired men, Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo, who are enemies to Cloud in the movie.
Also, I take it you haven't seen the 25-minute preview of Advent Children, because that shows you who the man in the wheelchair is, along with Rude referring to him as "Mr President."Do I have your permission? — CuaHL 16:55, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rufus revert

message: This article needs some attention pretty badly, IMO. First of all, it's wayyyy too image heavy, and since they're all copyrighted images, I'm getting a little bit nervous that we're going to start attracting attention copyvio attention. To sum up, if we're going to claim fair use, we need to ensure that "the amount of copyrighted material used should be the bare minimum necessary to serve its point on Wikipedia." Thirteen images is pushing it for a single film. The other problem is the story summary. The average length of plot summaries for film-related articles is two or three reasonably brief paragraphs. We've got twelve lengthy paragraphs, which is far too much detail for a general interest encyclopedia. I'd have made the changes myself (and will do so later, if no one else volunteers), but I haven't been among the most actives editors for this article, I wanted to voice my thoughts before committing to anything.... Thoughts and/or comments? – Seancdaug 02:24, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one have no objections, though I haven't worked on the article. Melodia Chaconne 03:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup needed

message: I say no to the merge to be honest.. I think the article has potential — CuaHL 18:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some existing dicussion on the merge here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Final_Fantasy#On_The_Way_To_A_Smile. Personally I fell that as a short story, it isn't notable enough for it's own article. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

text: At this point, though, there are only two paragraphs, and the second one is almost certainly way too detailed for our standards. And length isn't really the critical issue, anyway: an article can be as long or as short as we make it. The question is a) is the article of sufficient length without resorting to material not of interest to non-fans, and b) is the article topic itself noteworthy enough to warrant an entry? I could probably write a twelve paragraph article about my seventh grade English teacher, but she's still not encyclopedia-worthy. – Seancdaug 16:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[On The Way To A Smile]] merge 

message: Why do we need a gallery at all? The problem was too MANY pictures, most of which are not public domain, not that we needed to group them for easy viewing. I suspect we need to get rid of the gallery completely and trim the rest of the pictures down to at most 3 or 4. Nezu Chiza 02:44, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's very likely a copyright violation: we have to be careful how many fair use images we use, and in what capacity we use them. One or two images for illustrative purposes are acceptable, but the large gallery we have now probably isn't. – Seancdaug 03:05, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Personally, I would suggest eliminating the gallery altogether, and only using images which we can effectively work into the flow of the article. I would think three screenshots is probably the most that is appropriate, under the circumstances. As for which images we keep and which we lose, well, be bold. It probably doesn't matter too much, in the scheme of things, which images we have, provided we don't have all of them. – Seancdaug 20:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery??? 

message: Where does the word "Geostigma" come from?  Does it appear anywhere other than in a fan translation? Ken Arromdee 06:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geostigma 

message: 1- I dont see why to use a Japanese word instead of a English one, in other words, Why not call "Japanese Voice Actor" instead of "Seiyu", not everyone here is a Otaku and this title confuses.
2- Its Wikipedia here, not IMDB, so i dont see why to put "rumored" here, because actually there isnt any rumor, Square didnt said nothing about the voice actors, so no point in putting "rumored".
Dates
Since the release dates keep changing (for NA), why don't you list ALL of the possible release dates instead of one, you're going to change it anyhow.-- --4.253.126.86 03:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: These are all excellent points. I've been bold and made the changes. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 19:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors and "Seiyu" 

message: Is it 28 March or 10 January 2006 at this time? Alex 00:37, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One retailer my business orders from now has it listed as 3-28-2006. And since the 10th has come and gone without a DVD release, and no signs of one...well, who knows, maybe Amazon's filler date of 2010 is right :P Nezu Chiza 18:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US release dates 

message: I was thinking about making an article for the Silver haired trios. What should the article be named though.
Remnants of Sephiroth? or Shinentai (thought and physical bodied spirit) of Sephiroth? -- Psi edit 05:11, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why bother with a new article? Personally, I'd either tack them into List of Final Fantasy VII characters (possibly as part of a new subsection, with reference to other AC characters, like Denzel), or into this article. Honestly, I have trouble seeing them as truly notable, given their role in a direct-to-video film that hasn't even been officially released in English-speaking countries yet. And, having seen Advent Children, I really have trouble visualizing how it's even possible to create more than one or two short paragraphs on the trio without delving into really blatant areas of fancruft.... – Seancdaug 05:44, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: The problem is that we're talking about characters whose sole appearance is in a 90 minute film. As a general rule of thumb, most characters who have appeared in one movie do not warrant their own article. If they did, Wikipedia would quickly drown in such entries. If we are saying more than one or two paragraphs about them, we're probably being too detailed. Information about their weapons is unlikely to be of anything more than cursory interest to non-fans, and I can't see that information taking up more than one or two sentences. Their origin might get one paragraph or so. If you really stretch things, you can probably pull three short paragraphs out of the subject before you started getting into irrelevant detail, and there's no justification for creating a separate article for such a short entry. And we've already got an image of the trio. If you want to replace it, go ahead, but we've already got so many images from the film that we're risking a copyvio. All these images are copyrighted, and Wikipedia guidelines state that "copyrighted work used should be as little as possible." – Seancdaug 06:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo 

message: That bit of the article that says sales will be harmed by Bittorrent etc. What? There's no evidence this is true at all.
Also, the section about Square-Enix refusing to release English voice actors because of poor quality is rubbish.
:The BitTorrent part may not belong there, but hey, let's face it, it's the truth. Eeno 23:19, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people bought it just to get proper subtitles or to hear the dub, because I've seen about four different versions, all with important lines being translated in entirely different ways. It'd be nice to see something uniform. And BitTorrent will ALWAYS harms sales. Megan 01:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality, People! 

message: Ok, apparently theres a translation issue.  Geg says its supposed to be Jenova's "neck," and Psi edit says it should be "head."  ????  I don't speak Japanese so I couldn't tell you.  does anyone else know? Spencer 21:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More than likely it is the head of Jenova, which would make more sense than it being the neck, seeing as Sephiroth originally took the head. And, also, I'd imagine it to be odd to sever someone's neck from their body. Eeno 08:38, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: that would have been my best guess. I mean, you can tell by the size of the box/container that it isnt large enough for a head, but I get the picture... I think I have to check The Turks THIS article and change it. Spencer 20:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head/Neck ??? 

message: Maybe I'm being anal retentive, but the summary seems very non-encyclopedic at certain points, leaning towards over-praising (especially phrases such as "awesome battle"). It also lost a lot of grammar accuracy near the end. Any plans for a general overhaul of it, to clean it up and make it a little more objective? Megan 02:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it needs cleaning.  Some parts are sloppy.  I think I was the one who added the "an awesome battle" thing, but I see now that it sounds slangish.  I did't mean for it to sound like "wow totally awesome dude," but more like visually stunning and "awe inspiring." I mean come on, it was pretty bad ass (I know, POV, ^_^). But it should be cut down. Does it really need a step by step retelling of the entire movie? Spencer 02:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The beginning is pretty decent, I just think that some parts of it need to be redone for grammar's sake, and overall just needs to be tightened. The graphics are stunning and the movie in general is fantastic, so it deserves a fantastic article. And no, I don't think the movie needs to practically be transcribed. A general overview of each act, meaning the beginning when there is the exposition and we catch up with characters, the middle where Cloud gets his act together and defeats Bahamut and then the end with the fights with Kadaj and Sephiroth and a final explanation of the ending. Step by step is too clunky and not at all useful. Megan 06:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary 

message: this has to be one of the most frequently downloaded movies of all time, since it hasn't been released in the US, yet a great many people have seen it. --Nerd42 15:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is too bad there isn't a way to find out exactly how many people have downloaded it, as that would certainly be a point of interest ni the article. Megan 19:03, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a thought: If it wasn't so widely available for download, would much of the article even exist? Spencer 20:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure there are enough psycho fans of Final Fantasy in Japan that there would be an English article done eventually by someone with Japanese or English as their second language. Such is the nature of crazy fandoms. Megan 02:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it is almost like Square-Enix *wants* people to pirate this movie, considering how they haven't released it in the US ... but they know they have a huge huge fanbase there. --Nerd42 15:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I sincerely doubt that Square-Enix at all wants people to pirate this movie. Eventually they will release the movie in the United States and the more it is pirated the less people are going to want to buy it. If it is released in the US any time soon, I sincerely hope that it is very well done with good voice acting or I am less likely to buy it (especially since I prefer movies in their original, intended language). The decision to delay US and Europe release is a poor business move. Megan 23:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So they're aren't devious, just stupid? --Nerd42 19:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It really isn't all that devious to suffer a massive loss of money via downloading. If someone in their planning department said this would be a good idea, they need to be promptly fired. If SquareEnix had released the movie in North American and Europe on time and had included some extras, there wouldn't be an issue of massive downloading, but they are STILL messing about. I am pretty sure that fans would have been perfectly happy with subtitles, but the insistance of being as slow as possible with released any news is frustrating, to say the least. There is no way they are going to recover from this massive mistake. Megan 17:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know, all this talk is based on future speculation. I was just thinking the article might talk about the fan translations and the fact that the movie has been pirated, mostly among people who can't speak japanese, so that they can read the english subtitles. --Nerd42 19:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF7AC pirated big-time 

message: It has been included in the article for a long time, but I'm having trouble finding the exact confirmation that Wally Wingert is to voice Rufus Shinra in the English version of AC. Even on his official site (which this article states is the source), it says nothing in his Recent News, Voice Overs, Film, or Resume that he's doing it. Will someone please post the exact location of this information? ~ Hibana 18:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check again, Hibana. The "latest news" section of the site mentions it here. – Seancdaug 19:11, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. ~ Hibana 19:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wally Wingert...really?

message: I know that the official US website updated with three VAs: Steve Burton, Rachael Leigh Cook and Mena Suvari for their respective characters but later removed it.  Should we consider removing the VAs from this article since SE has removed the names if remains removed for long or no? —Mirlen 19:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since our reference is gone, it might be a good idea to remove them. Better yet, add a note to the effect that the names were announced then withdrawn. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 23:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English VAs

message: According to http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3147962
Thats where the new changes come from. —Jon 23:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: English VAs again

message: It seems that the title has been confirmed for a 24th April release on DVD and UMD in the EU.
Sadly, I cannot find any official verification (I initially found out via Teletext). The best I could offer would be
dates from stores such as Amazon, so I have not added this yet. If someone could find some verification, that would be good. —Tranced Shadow 20:10, 17 February 2006 (GMT)
:We should wait for some kind of offical confirmation. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 16:38, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: European release confirmed?

message: The North American release date SHOULD, no, MUST, be the same date that Advent Children is OFFICIALLY released in Europe and Australia, to prevent piracy that could be caused by one region having it before other regions of the world!!! Someone from Squaresoft should give OFFICIAL confirmation of this in a press release today!!! If this gains approval, then reply to this ASAP, with your user name ONLY, DO NOT BOTHER SIGNING THE DATE!!! - This comment written by Danmeister, 7:07 AM Friday, Februrary 24, 2006
:Sorry? What does this have to do with the article? --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synchonised Released date!!!