Talk:List of surviving Boeing B-17 Flying Fortresses

message: December 2007 announcement from NASM that B-17D "The Swoose" is going to be swapped with the USAFM B-17G "Sho Sho Sho Baby" sometime in 2008.  The B-17F "Memphis Belle is going to take the place of Baby and the B-17D is going to the restoration shop at USAFM  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.212.28.50 (talk) 15:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: USAF Museum

message: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Surviving aircraft...LanceBarber (talk) 04:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer review link

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message: the Liberty bell should be removed from the list as it is no longer a surviving plane, it crashed this morning in Illinois.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.208.163 (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That has already been done. Liberty Belle is not the same plane as Miss Liberty Belle which is still on the list. —Diiscool (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I see there is still a photo which must have been what you were referring to. I will remove it now. —Diiscool (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liberty Belle 

message: An anon editor added a new section called "Accidents and incidents" and I reverted it. I feel like such a section is unwarranted for a list of surviving B-17 Flying Fortress airframes. According to the article, 12,731 aircraft were produced. So should we list all but the few dozen survivors in such a section in this article? No. The addition of the new section falls under WP:NOTNEWS. The plane that crashed today was removed from the list. Period.If someone wants to start Accidents and incidents involving the B-17 Flying Fortress, then go ahead. —Diiscool (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have begun same.  Mark Sublette (talk) 00:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Accidents and incidents" 

message: Evergreen international isn't flyable. She's on display, but per the docents she has a wing spar crack (there are airworthiness directives requiring inspection for this issue every year on B-17's.) and is unlikely to ever fly again.--Chico129 (talk) 16:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evergreen's B-17 

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message: Crashed at Bradley International, Hartford CT, this morning.  Fatalities involved (quantity not yet reported); airport closed due to fire.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.165.198 (talk) 17:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collings Foundation B-17 

message: There's at least one airworthy B-17 not on this list.  The Movie Memphis Belle lives at and operates from the National Warplane Museum in Geneseo, NY USA.  She's the "actress" who played the lead role in the movie Memphis Belle starring Matthew Modine.  (Sorry I can't recall the year right now.)  I know this from personal experience as well as reviewing the Wikipedia page for the National Warplane Museum.  DaddyWarlock (talk) 06:17, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That B-17 is on the list.  The aircraft is S/N 44-83546, a B-17G that has been restored as a B-17F. - ZLEA T\C 14:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra surviving aircraft 

message: To avoid any confusion, the list of airworthy B-17s after the November 2022 crash is as follows:
* 44-8543 Madras Maiden
* 44-8846 Pink Lady (on display in airworthy condition)
* 44-83514 Sentimental Journey
* 44-83546 Memphis Belle
* 44-83563 Fuddy Duddy
* 44-85718 Thunderbird
* 44-85740 Aluminum Overcast
* 44-85784 Sally B/Memphis Belle
* 44-85829 Yankee Lady
- ZLEA T\C 01:11, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number as of November 2022 

message: Please change the number of airworthy B-17's from "9" to "8" 2001:569:7BD2:4A00:56E:7622:3DDA:2BA7 (talk) 05:57, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See the previous discussion. BilCat (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2022 

message: We could simplify "Geographic location" to "Location" and "Institutional location" to "Owner". Is there a reason not to? PRRfan (talk) 15:30, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Institutional location" is wordy but I wouldn't change it to "Owner".  The museum (for static displays) or commonly known operator (for airworthy planes) can be a different entity than the actual owner.  Texas Raiders comes to mind, as it was operated by the Commemorative Air Force, but a separate legal entity (American Airpower Heritage Flying Museum) holds title to their planes. I've also seen museum websites include a note "on display courtesy of X". Dmoore5556 (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, gotcha. Maybe "Location" and "Institution"? Or even "Location", "Institution", and a new column for "Owner"? Or I could try to mock up a table that has "Location" as a two-column-wide label over sortable "City" and "Institution" columns. PRRfan (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think "Location" and "Institution" would work fine. Dmoore5556 (talk) 03:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks; I've made the change. Thanks for your fine work on this page. PRRfan (talk) 03:50, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
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