Talk:Anshe Chung

message: First of all, Anshe did provide an escort service as part of her Second Life business career, so it is entirely relevant. Secondly, there is not reason not to include information about an individual/corporation if it is factual.
Thirdly, this talk section has clearly been edited by a number of people who have not contribued to Wikipedia much before. It is appropriate to use the Plus sign at the top of the page, near the edit this page section, to add comments to a discussion page, not to haphazardly edit with no clear way to follow the discussion.
Xinoph  17:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: so people can respond to something in the middle of the page, like this67.81.50.181 14:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Due to the nature of Second Life, this is both an article on the avatar - the character - and on the business of AnsheChung.com. As part of the biography of the well-known avatar, it certainly should be included: it was how she got her start in the Second Life economy! If a real-life billionaire had made money first as a personal escort, it would be part of the article if it was verifiable. So why should it not be a part of this article? Plus, the money from both that and her content store gave her the capital to begin the real-estate business, so it is directly relevant. I believe the term "escort" would be an appropriate term, and not misleading or insulting: an escort is someone who is paid for their company, whether it is of a sexual nature or not.  There are escorts out there who are merely escorts (not prostitutes in hiding) and besides that, there's no reason to think that either term is an insult - especially if both are legal, double especially if both occur in a virtual world. Xinoph | TALK  17:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues 

message: As the original article author I feel I should chip in..
*  I am not Anshe, nor Linden Lab, nor do I work for either of them.
*  I created the article because Anshe is considered an important indicator of the potential for virtual business and has attracted substantial success as a result.  I would oppose a merge with Second Life because Anshe's importance lies in the fact she demonstrated real money could be made for virtual goods, not in the fact she succeeded in a particular world.
*  Since the page is about the company, not the individual, the comments about having been an escort are not relevant IMHO - she may have been an escort/teacher at one stage, but she wasn't running the company Anshe Chung at that time.
This page is marked as "biographies of living persons" and therefore is NOT about the company. 
66.92.167.230 18:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original author 

message: Due to continuing concern over this page, I have removed most of the unsourced content.  The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubbed 

message: Since there's been edit warring again, I've protected this page for now.  Everyone, please be sure you cite reliable sources for the info you put in here.  Material from your own personal knowledge or experience, even if true, isn't verifiable and can't be used in an encyclopedia.   Also, if there's disagreement, don't just keep reverting.  This talk page is for working out disagreements related to article content.  Friday (talk) 21:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected 

message: It became obvious That Anshe and her Cohorts were simply using this page as an advertisement for Anshe's Business. It is totally Irrevelent how many areas she owns, Other services where she buys and sells other line currency. This was totally irrevelant. There are also many negative facts that have surfaced that are just as relevant as the positive ones.  I recommend that only SYSOPS be allowed to edit this page for the next month or so. This should clear up a lot of things. 
EDIT:
Normally This Wouldnt bother me but AndreasZander is trying to say I added information to make anshe look bad, In fact I did not add anything, BUT TOOK OUT information that was advertizing and obviously put there for no other reason to advertize or spread gossip. AndreasZander is not a registered user in Second life, It should also be known that although I do participate in SL and have been there a long time. I do NOT use the name Bovar Bellow in second life. It should also be stated that like most of Second Lifes participants, I do not participate(post)in the Second Life forums either. AndreasZander is entitled to his opinions but please dont blame me for posting negative things about Anshe. They were here a long time before I showed up. I would still like to recommend that this page remain SYSOP only edit only, or Merged into the SECOND Life Page.
It should also be noted that I only started editing this page a couple of weeks ago, NOT a couple of months ago. 
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AndreasZander 
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Bovarbellow is an individual who, since two months, is trying to get this page deleted or turned into something that makes Anshe look bad. This becomes quite obvious to anyone who takes the time to review his edit history on wikipedia. During all this time he has not added any relevant information whatsoever, but numerous insults and unsourced evaluations of her person. I am not Anshe nor a "cohort", but I respect her. I agree with the locking of the entry and hope that now some SYSOPS will perform real research and add sourced and balanced information to the article. 
By chance I know who posted the article in the first place. He is a direct competitor of Anshe in the Second Life land market. This once more invalidates Bovarbellow's claims and shows us that somebody is here to throw mud. AndreasZander 08:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find as a bystander that the OP's claims of whitewashing seem quite legitimate. There does not appear to be the slightest bit of criticism on this page that are otherwise seen in hundreds of other pages of individuals on this wiki. I as well as the OP would appreciate it if cohorts of Ms. Chung and Company did not censor or whitewash this article. Similarly, I would like to request that Bovarbellow stop posting dox on Ms. Chung. --KentuckyFriedGunman (talk) 04:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why all the Reversions 

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Man!
WTF are ppl doing on second life. Have they no life? Fine, but why are they puttin ACTUAL MONEY in it? How stupid is it! Morans... They only help these parasitesget rich. It sucks. Wikiperiferium shudent advertize for them.
212.149.255.90 21:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Cleanup Co-Ordination Point 

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Man!
WTF are ppl doing on second life. Have they no life? Fine, but why are they puttin ACTUAL MONEY in it? How stupid is it! Morans... They only help these parasitesget rich. It sucks. Wikiperiferium shudent advertize for them.
212.149.255.90 21:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I just rewrote this entire thing by hand. I'm a sufficient enough expert in Second Life and with Anshe in particular that I can be considered a "Subject Matter Expert." :) I'm welcome to suggestions/comments, but considering the vitriol this woman engineers I'd prefer they be discussed before an edit war erupts. Danke! - mixvio 04:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Major page overhall

message: The passage about so called controversy behaviour was deleted because it contained no evidence at all but at lot of accusations and has to be seen as business-damaging attacks of envious person who try to get into the business themselves. The dubiously value of these accusations is obvious as they use indirect language, mention anonymous business-damaging campaingns in a way the negative touch falls on Anshe's reputation instead of the anonymous attackers and mention ridiculous statements she would not speak English well, just to transport another rumor in the same sentence.
I would like to remind of the purpose of Wikipedia and ask the community for help. Please correct the formatting of this text if I have done a mistake in this regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.66.4.148 (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will restore any and all edits that are made arbitrarily. All evidence is fully sourced, confirmed, and about issues that Anshe has been reprimanded for publicly and clearly. There are no attacks here, there are no lies or slander, and I would remind anonymous accounts who have never before edited on Wikipedia except to revert this issue to avoid becoming involved in matters that reflect their in-world interests, such as editors of the SL Herald. If you're not going to be unbiased, you're not welcome to participate. - mixvio 16:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks Zoe, I appreciate the help. I'm going through to find some better sources for the one thing I removed and the few that are left with citation requests. - mixvio 01:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: Somebody please correct the spelling of "Devaluation" on the article. At least let us make it look presentable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.161.74.241 (talk • contribs).
:Where is it misspelled and how?  I'm not finding it... --Onorem 06:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK...try checking the article again.  The section about "Devauluation" was removed 3 hours ago. --Onorem 06:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling issues

message: de:Anshe Chung has been deleted for irrelevancy, so  remove the link. (Don't you have a bot for that?)
:ok removed. -- Bovineone 02:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Language links

message: Though they're probably not all of the sources on the issue, a recent Something Awful Second Life Safari post has a collection of links to sites discussing the issue of Anshe vs. The Internet as far as the pictures of her violating copyright are concerned. Any way this can be used in the article?--JohnCameron 05:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a difference between a celebrity photoshopped to look like she's having sex and a celebrity photoshopped to be posing proudly with a penis the size of a traffic cone. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 17:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's a blog and fails WP:RS. I have reverted Zander's reverts, as it's clear that Night Gyr's version is properly sourced, while the revert restored quite a bit of unsourced content that shouldn't be here. If any user wants to restore the content Night Gyr deleted, that's fine as long as it's accompanied by reliable sources. | Mr. Darcy talk 20:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Which is why they're called erotic services, instead of prostitution. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 03:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That argument makes sence. I think we can agree here. Erotic services or adult entertainment could be stated, prostitution we should avoid unless we find a better source.
Alright, so we've got that settled.  Are there any other issues you have with the prose I wrote? Sexual explicitness is in there from his statements, and I'm pretty sure all the facts are included with references.  Anything I'm leaving out or including that I shouldn't? Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 13:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright dispute: collected sources 

message: When? Where? Was it to OTRS?  --  Zanimum 16:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why it was there, but I have removed it.  See  if you have OTRS access.  Bastiq▼e demandez 20:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Biography articles of living people who have requested removal" 

message: The griefing incident is quickly fading into obscurity and yet it is a notable part of the article.  Given that this is a BLP (or a Biography of a Virtual Personality), this article could be seriously expanded in other parts.  Some suggestions for sources are: 
* Behind the Anshe Chung DMCA compliant at cnet news
* Anshe Chung scores venture capital funding at Reuters Second Life.
Here's hoping someone with a great interest in this topic will come and help make it better.  Bastiq▼e demandez 21:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Griefing and article balance 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BUSINESSWEEK 01MAY06 COVER.gif

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# It is a historically significant photo of a famous individual. A search on Google for "Anshe Chung Businessweek" produces more than 6000 hits and links to several hundred copies of the image used in blog articles. That an avatar made it on the cover of a major news magazine like Business Week, for the first time ever, was newsworthy by itself.]
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thread_title:  Fair use for [[:Image:BUSINESSWEEK 01MAY06 COVER.gif]] 

message: Anybody know why "Seventh generation jet fighter" redirects here??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.237.39 (talk) 04:04, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd redirect 

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