Talk:South Australian English

message: Recently added was Some sounds are pronounced more sharply then in other Australian places, and this could be a result of the German settlement. What does ‘more sharply’ mean? Which sounds are pronounced more sharply? Can we assume that this is throughout the entire state compared with no-where outside it? — Felix the Cassowary 11:30, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary, I've read reports of Victorians tending more towards the schwa than SAns. I'm deleting that sentence. There is no source for this, and one or two persons anecdotal support is not enough. Grant65 (Talk) 01:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Frances, I have replied to your message on my talk page. Grant65 (Talk) 23:50, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ‘sharply‘? 

message: Could someone please translate the bit about the "back allophone" into something a general audience could understand. --Rkundalini 15:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Allophone blah blah? 

message: I don't want to be drawn too deeply into the "robust" debate apparently surrounding this article. I just wanted to draw contributors' attention to the very peculiar (indeed, unique) way in which residents of Adelaide pronounce the diphthong in "monkey". My IPA is a bit rusty, so I won't try to reproduce the sound now, but I wonder if others have noticed the same phenomenon? Wulfilia 08:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "MonKEY"

message: Most of the people I know in Adelaide use a long A sound in such words as dance and chance.  Grant and plant are  always pronounced with a similar sound. This seems to be the main difference to say a more cultured Melbourne accent. Ozdaren 17:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's the only difference between Adelaide and Melbourne accents, but it's perhaps the most obvious to listeners from neither place. For example, to my (SA) ear, the capital of Victoria is often called "Malbourne" by people who live there. For reader's who aren't sure, the "long A" is "ah"/"ar", not "ay" and also appears in last, fast, car. --Scott Davis Talk 13:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interesting, just had a long conversation with an old Melburnian who resides in Adelaide. He does say Malburn for Melbourne. I wonder if the younger generations speak the same way. He is in his late 60's and very well educated. Ozdaren 10:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had noticed it in people my age and younger more than I had heard it in older people, so it must be all ages. It tends to show up less on television than in person. --Scott Davis Talk 22:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

text: That's where this discussion started. You're right, it's the most obvious distinction for South Australian accents to other Australian English speakers. The dark L is surprisingly distinctive (and unintelligible) when travelling to some places overseas. You seem to know the right terms, so please add it to the article. --Scott Davis Talk 15:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

text: No one said it was unique to South Australians.--cj | talk 06:40, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Long A Sound

message: Adelaideans (females more than males, the weather presenters especially) have a distinct "oy" sound on the end of words that you'd suppose end in an "oh", e.g. "Hello, go, no, show" as "Helloy, goy, noy, shoy" etc.  It doesn't seem to be mentioned in a google search.  Foreign exchange students always ask me about it in english classes - "what is this word 'noy'?" being the most common query and it leads into a discussion on accent.  Weird it isn't mentioned.  Anyone here care to comment?  Is it perhaps also common in VIC? DaSuthNa
: As an Adelaidean I'd describe it more as a lengthened vowel that begins like 'oh' and ends something like a German 'ü' (ue). It's certainly not like 'oi' or 'alloy'. Karldoh 15:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we have a credible source for this, other than personal observation, it would be a useful inclusion in the article. Grant | Talk 02:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about 'No'/'Noy'? 

message: "...the phenomenon known as the "dark-l", such that the "l" is vocalised; for example, "milk" sounds like "miuwk"..."
In at least some parts of Eastern Australia 'milk' is pronounced as 'milluck'. Another example is 'film' ('fiuwm in SA and 'fillum' elsewhere). This seems to me to be a genuine regional characteristic and not just a matter of a few different word pronunciations. If it is caused by education then "fillum" and "milluck" should be commonly heard in SA too.
In the case of "dance", might this be due to a SA perception of cultural superiority, as it was never a penal colony; the long A perhaps being an unconscious means of holding the ex-convict Melburnians (as the closest state capital, interstate rivalry has mostly been targeted there) at arms length by using speech that is closer to some perceived form of Received Pronunciation?  Just my speculation.
Regarding the "back allophone" of words like 'pool', 'school', 'fool', the contrast with other regions is also distinct. As a child I knew that my father, from the Wagga region of NSW, pronounced a lot of words differently. As it happens, he is of Barossa German stock but his accent definitely came from his birth place. If the SA pronunciation of 'pool' is a drawn out 'pull', the NSW version sounds something like "poo-all" but the "poo" does not quite rhyme with "boo". It is almost as if the mouth is initially shaped to say "per".  (Evidence for the old saw about Australians speaking with their mouths half closed to keep the flies out?)
My point is that these differences seem to be general differences in speech between regions. Not enough to make the SA accent distinct from general (or Eastern) Australian in a way that non-Australians would easily perceive, perhaps but it seems more significant than most linguists allow. 
Bluemin (talk) 06:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  milk / 'miuwk' 

message: "Collective name given to" is redundant. I deleted it. You could equally say that "apple" is the collective name given to varieties of fruit. It is wrong and a use/mention error. There's an essay here wp:refers that explains the use/mention distinction. Volunteer1234 (talk) 02:01, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  collective name given to