Talk:Adolf Hitler/Archive 11

message: I know this makes some vegetarians gnash their teeth, but it's true. It wasn't because of Geli, either, but likely more because of his fear of cancer and other stuff (he and his sister Paula watched their mother Klara die a particularly painful death from breast cancer when he was 18... they both took care of and spent much time with her during this period, although he became a vegetarian much later).
Sources confirming his vegetarianism abound, here's a helpful summary of them . 
Bormann even built a greenhouse at Berchtesgaden to ensure a steady supply of fresh veggies to AH, I've seen pictures of Bormann's kids inside, tending it or whatever. Last I heard/read (last year I think), the foundation of the greenhouse was still visible.
Along with being a genocidal sociopath and charismatic German nationalist, AH was also an avid non-smoker. Wyss 00:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hitler was a typical vegetarian, in that he made a big fuss about it, but in reality wasn't a (literal) vegetarian at all. Exceptions were his rule, by all accounts I have read. Sam Spade 02:18, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, I don't think the literature supports either of those assertions. Wyss 02:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, w all due respect, I can go on citing examples of people claiming he was vegetarian, or critical of meat consumption, as well as examples of him eating various meats intentionally or unintentionally, for the forseable future. Its a fun subject, and one which has found its way into copious works. Their is no lack of citation, I meerely gave you the first link, here are another 80,000. Sam Spade 16:34, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I can cite sources claiming he retired to Antarctica, too  :) Wyss 16:51, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Yeah, ain't the Internet great. Let's find out if he was Homosexual, as well. yep, 230,000 hits. Queer as a three mark bill. Seriously, I don't see anything wrong with mentioning (say, in a footnote) that his vegetarianism has been questioned if there's a good reference we can cite for the claim. Shanes 16:53, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: We're mentioning it in the "The road to power" section as well. But, yeah, if we were to mention and then question every strange fact written about him, the article wouldn't be very encyclopedic. I actually think the article is very good now. How are the prospects of it ever becoming featured? Shanes 17:37, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

text: No, the geocities link is replete with reliable citations and sources, which is why I chose it. As for the pitfalls of citing raw quantitative Google stats, the phrase Hitler saved the world gets over half a million hits , and Hitler was Jesus gets almost a million . Wyss 16:02, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Adolf didn't drink alchohol either, but I'm sure we all knew that--Xiphon 11:06, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some evidence he now and then drank champagne (the post war interrogations of Linz and Gunsche in the USSR) and very small, infrequent quantities of beer and/or wine. Wyss 05:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: AH was a vegetarian

message: I'm pretty sure that most of Hitler's early speeches were delivered in the beerhalls, not on street corners, as the article says under Early Nazi Party--Xiphon 20:10, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That's mostly true and truth be told, I've never been comfortable with that "street corner" characterization... although he did do a few speeches on what amounted to street corners during the early 1920s. Wyss 20:42, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

text: He did distribute pamphlets on street corners (and later a newspaper I think, does anyone know?), which might have led to the initial confusion.--Xiphon 09:57, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've seen a couple pictures of him in freezing outdoor weather while ranting away to basically anyone who would listen. This would have been sometime 1920 to 1923 I think. Wyss 10:11, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speech Platform 

message: If the Japanese treaty so unequivocally called for it, why is there dispute at all about this declaration?
Some say (S. Haffner) it was because Hitler was already certain Germany would be defeated and wanted it to perish.
Others say Hitler considered it only a ratification of an already existing, though undeclared, state of war with the US.
Why these discussion if the situation is so clear?
Str1977 08:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok! Btw, I didn't write that line (I don't think I've ever even tweaked it) but do agree with it. Wyss 08:55, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: declaration of war

message: I give up, I fully admit it not important or worth worrying over, but for the record many dispute the extent of his vegetarianism, and the idea that Hitler molested his niece (forcing her to pee on his face from the account I read), while conceivably notable, is low quality hearsay worthy only of a conspiracy theory or trivia section of the article. Sam Spade 16:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the record: AH was not dating Eva Braun during Geli's lifetime. The background to her súicide is that he went on campaign or other political stuff and left her alone in the Munich appartment, placing an SA man to guard the door. So she shot herself. It was only after Geli's death that AH came to Eva Braun as a replacement. And with her it was the same all over again. EB tried to kill herself twice though unsucessfully (though this failure might very well be planned) to force AH to stay closer to her. She succeeded in this and ended up on the "Berghof". Str1977 19:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put it back where it was originally, less the speculation and reference to unsupported rumours. I agree btw, whenever I hear some of this stuff I shake my head in disgust, by all accounts she was bright and independent-minded. This was a tragic suicide. Wyss 19:02, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, Wyss, I agree. I don't like this sart of thing included as well. I wouldn't want my medical record covered on the net either. But I think the Geli suicide story (and I was referring exclusively to this) deserves balanced and sympathetic coverage. Str1977 19:05, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: PS, re the "Geili" that was my typo in an edit summary and I duly shuddered when I saw it flash by, then Sam Spade innocently picked it up and used it on the talk page, it's never been mis-spelled in the article so far as I know. Wyss 19:15, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Yes, I thought it was only a typo. Her surname I think is "Raubal", but at least that bears no connotation. From your last comment I take it you are from the German speaking part of Switzerland - if the flag on your page suggests that you are Swiss. Str1977 19:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

text: Another careless typo (argh), but happily it was always spelled Geli Raubal in the article, no fix needed there :) Wyss 21:54, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geli Raubal and vegetarianism 

message: I think we should mention were Hitler stayed and lived. I know the following
*He had a house in Munchen
*He has a house at the Obersalzberg near (not in) Berchtesgarden that was expanded and the nazi clique built house there too.
*I guess he lived in the Reichskanzlei after he 1933 
*Wolf's Lair near Rastenburg
*Hitler moved on 25 August 1942 from the Wolf's lair to Vinnitsa and stayed there the rest of the year. (source Alan Clark's Barbarossa page 218
*And of course, he lived in the Fuhrerbunker, near the Reichskanzlei. 
Andries 21:06, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Living places: House in Muchen, Obersalzberg, Wolf's Lair, Vinnitsa 

message: In 1938, some disgruntled German guy (name?) attempted to assasinate Hitler at a beer  house where he was giving a speech.  However, Hitler left early, and the bomb that was planted exploded killing several NAzis, but not Hitler.  He was killed in Dachau in 1945.  I was wondering if anyone knew his name.  it's an interesting historical tidbit.  i learned about him at dachau and at the topography of terror in berlin. XXXX
Have a look at Georg Elser. And please sign your posts using four tildes. Str1977 17:18, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempted Assassination of Hitler 

message: Dear Wyss, thanks for your corrections on my edit. However, I have decided to leave out the names of the two individuals from here (but they are still at Gustav von Kahr. I also have worded the sentence in another way. If the wording is still akward, don't hesitate to correct it.
What the sentence tries to say is: had the coup been a success, a government would have been formed comprised of Ludendorff, Hitler, Lossow and Seisser. This is shown on proclamations posted in Munich at the time of the coup. You can see such a poster here: 
Str1977 12:12, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Lossow and Seisser

message: This page probably has enough pictures as it is, but if you need more pictures, the German version of this page has some interesting ones already uploaded.  Check it out. FranksValli 01:19, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More pictures 

message: Yes, while 2000 years ago it had a more limited meaning, documented usage has since changed, see  and . However, the anon editor who altered this to devastated seems to be part of a significant minority, in the latter cite there's a note implying (but not stating outright) 44% of that dictionary's usage panel preferred the anon's take on the word. Wyss 16:26, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Decimate

message: Could John Kenney, or whoever else is supporting the vegetarian claim, provide a reputable source for the claim that H was a vegetarian, as opposed to someone who tried to reduce his meat intake? I can see only links to Google searches above, but we need a proper reference for this in the article; without one, please stop reverting. SlimVirgin (talk) 06:48, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Read Vegetarianism of Adolf Hitler. Wyss 07:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have. Even the biographers who say he was a vegetarian (the ones who are quoted) say he ate meat from time to time, which means he wasn't a vegetarian. SlimVirgin (talk) 08:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference request