Talk:Alexander Zinoviev

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'In the satirical "sociological novels" [Zinoviev shows] paradoxality and the absurdity of the Soviet reality [exactly my words!--Constanz]. 
: Good enough for an American propagandistic brochure, not for a neutral encyclopaedia. Ramir 01:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: “Apology of Soviet system” is, again, a vague description. Instead of relying (re-lying) on secondary sources, we should provide a direct reference to Zinoviev’s “apologies” in the article. Yes, I know that he said that if he knew (back in 1970’s) that the Union was about to collapse, he would not write any of his works on socialistic Russia. But this is not enough to brand him as pro-Communist. Ramir 01:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opposition to Marxist-Leninist philosophy and praxis 

message: *But the [communist] authorities acquire from Marxism a splendid method and abounding phraseology to justify whatever piggery. (no, Zinoviev was not opposed to Marxism and 'piggery' of communist authorities...)
*The scientific approach uncovers, that Communism does not eliminate the inequality between men, the social injustice, exploitation of man by man and other evils of society – communism merely changes their form and gives birth to new evils, which become eternal fellow-travelers of communism.
*None of the Marxist concepts (literally – not a single one!) matches the logical rules of scientific concepts. (no, according to Ramir, Zinoviev never opposed the ideology he would regard as illogical and without any real basis)
*All in all, Engels talked so much rot of every kind, that now all the world’s academies of science should be directed to rectify his mistakes and idiocies. (Ramir: 'Zinoviev has never (..) proclaimed political views that oppose those of Marxism-Leninism' -- one can be called an anti-communist only when one adapts a certain non-communist ideology, i.e declares himself to be a fascist, or a centrist, or a monarchist?) Constanz - Talk 16:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zinoviev on Communism and Marxist-Leninist ideology  

message: I only strive to keep this article neutral, true and precise. We should put in it as many facts and opinions about Zinoviev as there are, but Wikipedia’s NPOV policy dictates that all of those opinions must be referenced. Branding (like calling someone a good guy, a sad guy, a cynic, a bird-hater, a snail-eater, or an anti-Communist) is unacceptable outside quotations and references, since it does not provide clear knowledge, but allows various interpretations, and is often emotionally charged. So, Constanz, let us, instead of arguing, edit the article according to the policies. You, for example, can write that “In 1984, Zinoviev was called an anti-Communist by the German newspaper X”, or “Zinoviev wrote about Marxism[1] that it is (...)”. But please, do not generalise things and do not present opinions from secondary sources as facts in the article, even if they seem totally justified to you. Ramir 01:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ramir’s standpoint 

message: In the section "Youth" we find the statement: He (Zinoviev) recalls that he has been arrested but managed to escape, and later involved in a plot to assassinate Stalin during a school parade. Are these claims credible? They seem exceedingly far-fetched to me. Is there any third-party corroboration for these claims or is Zinoviev the only source for them? Either way, the fact of corroboration or lack thereof needs to be put in the article. Hi There 21:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: “Recalls” is a weasel word, so I had to replace it by «claims to have done so and so». As for the matter itself:
# Zinoviev was quite an unusual man.
# There is no great reason for a reputable man like himself to make up stories.
# Since their group, according to Zinoviev, only involved four kids (and they all disparted when the oldest guy disappeared), it would be virtually impossible to corroborate his claims.
# He discussed the phenomenon of assasination plots in Temptation («Искушение») and elswhere, I think.
# Now that I have improved the neutrality of the statement, there is no need to explicitly state a lack of proof. Okay?
#: Ramir 12:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some Statements in the Section "Youth"

message: Better late than never. I have only just noticed the article in Telegraph that is about 95% based on our one (as it was at the time). So, our creation must’ve been not so wretched after all! And Constanz, note how even a biased journalist of an English rag did not use attitude words like “pessimistic”, “chaotic”, and did not adopt your theory about Zinoviev’s anti-/pro-Communism. Indeed, that journalist is about halfway between sober scientific narration of Wikipedia and bias-laden propaganda like “Zinoviev’s writings were chaotic, and he changed his views from anti-Communist to pro-Communist and anti-globalist”. Again, congratulations to you, gentlemen, and Constanz above all. Ramir 12:37, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
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