Talk:Zimbabwe

message: There is no such thing. A state exists, or it doesn't exist. This one did. It is irrelevant whether (for example) a corrupt talking shop such as the UN happened to dislike it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.228.197 (talk) 22:35, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not correct; when a group of people proclaim a new state to exist in a geographic area, the recognition of their attempt by other states, and by the people in the geographic area, are key to whether it will come into existence and remain in existence. The American Colonies declared independence, then fought a war and won, then the confederate "states" declared their independence and fought a war and lost. Israel declared a state and fought a series of wars. Eritrea proclaimed a state... I could go on. Your claim that those states existed or did not exist at each point in time is not a reflection of reality, there are grey areas and there are birthing pains. Long after the fact you can look back and say "well it happened on this day", but you might be celebrating as statehood what other people call a beer hall putsch. 68.173.49.156 (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's right. A state is not a state until at least one other country recognises it and sends ambassadors. Valetude (talk) 10:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Unrecognised state" 

message: The Zimbabwean Bond Coins are now in circulation, therefore, this should be listed in the currency information - (202.89.141.109 (talk) 02:26, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zimbabwean Bond Coins. 

message: Under the demographics section on the Zimbabwe article, it says 
"According to the United Nations World Health Organisation, the life expectancy for men was 37 years and the life expectancy for women was 34 years of age, the lowest in the world in 2006."
I am not disputing that this was true in 2006, but now it is 2015 and many new life expectancy estimates have been made, but the 2006 figure still remains. On the List of countries by life expectancy article, there are 4 different life expectancy estimates from the years 2009-2012; the figures on this page are updated but life expectancy figure on the main page on Zimbabwe remains the same. All of the four estimates have a higher life expectancy and some are a considerable increase from 2006; is this not enough to at least update the life expectancy figure?
In 2012 the WHO's life expectancy estimate for Zimbabweans from birth was 56 years for males and 60 years for females.
In 2012 the World Bank had a life expectancy estimate of 58 years (it didn't specify whether it was male or female so it can be assumed to be an average for males and females). 
I don't know who will, but someone does need to update the life expectancy figure on the Zimbabwe page as it is outdated. 
Thanks 
Jesus is King of Kings (talk) 14:42, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia. Go for it. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 14:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Life Expectancy Figure for Zimbabwe is outdated 

message: Isn't it strange that Canaan Banana (the first president of Zimbabwe, 1980-1987) is not mentioned anywhere in this article? Does anyone know what's up with this? Michellecornelison (talk) 03:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted - and now fixed. Thanks. Selector99 (talk) 06:39, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! I don't know much on this subject...I just noticed it while reading, so I wasn't totally confident about writing that in. -Michellecornelison (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Canaan Banana? 

message: I have tagged the infobox claim that 5% of the population of Zimbabwe is white as it is not consistent with information elsewhere on Wikipedia, see especially Whites in Zimbabwe. Viewfinder (talk) 10:54, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This is wrong. That was the proportion in the 1960s and '70s but not now. Now off the top of my head it's much less than 1%. —  Cliftonian (talk)  11:02, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected, sources internal and CIA Factbook. Viewfinder (talk) 11:47, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  White population 

message: According to news reports, elements of the Zimbabwean army have put Robert Mugabe under house arrest. It's unclear at this point whether Mugabe will be forced to resign as president. Keeping in mind WP:NOTNEWS, at what point should something be said about this in the article? Strawberry4Ever (talk) 14:22, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless someone can supply a citation showing that Mugabe has been removed, I think it's premature to change the infobox to say that the position of President is "vacant". I don't want to edit war this, but I'm looking for a consensus. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 21:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree it's too soon for the infobox.  Sources such as The Guardian suggest it will happen by the end of the week, but nothing suggests Mugabe has actually resigned yet. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:40, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I think those changes are premature and aren't properly sourced. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 22:30, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The debate at Robert Mugabe is largely academic; I plan to ignore it as I assume he will resign de jure before any consensus could be found as to whether he is already out of power de facto.  The page List of Presidents of Zimbabwe is just wrong; I will likely remove the claims that Emmerson Mnangagwa is President unless a citation is added in the next half hour or so. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

text: I found a source which indicates Emmerson Mnangagwa is now the interim President of Zimbabwehttps://www.democracynow.org/2017/11/15/headlines/zimbabwe_emmerson_mnangagwa_named_interim_leader_as_mugabe_deposed
The Hash Smoking Stoner (talk) 23:11, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

text: A Reuters story says that Mugabe is refusing to resign. I think that for now we should just say that Mugabe is under house arrest. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  November 2017 coup 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: It is clear that nobody disputes Mugabe's role as President of Zimbabwe. This is especially clear now as generals of the army stood by his side when he made the speech yesterday about refusing to resign, as well as Zanu-PF's decision to open constitutional proceedings of impeachment. Cipika (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, especially since there is a footnote explaining the situation. I'll edit the infobox accordingly. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove '(disputed)' mentions 

message: I must be missing something, but in the history section the 1964-1979/80 ends with a vote to revert back to colonial status and the next section begins with a President in 1980.
How did independence come about? The vote for return to colonial status seems to come after some positive steps toward independence & thus makes no sense.Ileanadu (talk) 18:34, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the article on The history of Zimbabwe and am still in the dark. The Colonial era section ends with a declaration of independence "as of 1970" by Southen Rhodesia -with no British and no international recognition - and the next section begins with Independence day on April 18, 1980. Ileanadu (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The white minority government of Southern Rhodesia, a British colony, declared independence in 1965 and renamed the country Rhodesia, which adopted a new constitution making it a republic in 1970 (until then Elizabeth II was still its queen, at least in theory). However, no other country recognized Rhodesian independence. An internal settlement in 1979 resulted in Rhodesia being renamed Zimbabwe Rhodesia, with a mixed government including both black and white ministers, but this was also not recognized internationally. Under the Lancaster House agreement Britain granted independence to the new nation of Zimbabwe in 1980, provided that it first acknowledge British authority under its original name of Southern Rhodesia. I'll look at the section and see whether it needs to be clarified. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made some changes to the article which I hope will make this clearer. Strawberry4Ever (talk) 20:57, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The original state  of Rhodesia under UDI was illegal under international law, therefore it was necessary to return it to British rule temporarily in order for the country to be awarded lawful independence as Zimbabwe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.148.8.216 (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  1980 Independence how? 

message: The probably-about-to-be-president's article could do with more eyes on it.
In particular, people keep adding to his infobox that he is "President (designate)", with no source.  The WP:3RR means I can't keep removing this (which is why it's there right now), but I see it's been consistently removed from here, so I wonder if some of the same editors could keep an eye on that article too?  TSP (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Emmerson Mnangagwa]] 

message: According to this article, it says that the presidency is vacant, however many of the other articles relating to the topic of the Zimbabwean presidency mark Phelekezela Mphoko as the current President (albeit in an acting capacity)http://www.herald.co.zw/experts-clear-the-air-on-succession/. Therefore should the role of President not say Phelekezela Mphoko ? GippoHippo (talk) 12:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidency Vacant? 

message: ErwinTheMaestro (talk) 10:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. –Ammarpad (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2017 

message: Why Quora link is at top and redirecting to slate? Please edit if required. Manupriy Ahluwalia (talk) 07:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unspecified link 

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thread_title:  Nomination of [[:Portal:Zimbabwe]] for deletion 

message: In any articles relating to Zimbabwe, removal of colour associated wording needs to be removed in line with United Nations convention on Human Rights. People are not colours, they are human beings. Identity is by ethnicity rather than a range of colours. Green beings come from Mars but yellow, white, brown, black are not identifiers of the human species. There is one human race and in that enlightened perspective, use of ethnic European identifies heritage but white does not. There are many African Frenchmen as there are many Caribbean British people. Oddly, there are "black and white" texts on racial segregation and perpetuating the continued epidermal discrimination is not what is enshrined in international law on human rights nor should it appear in encyclopaedic articles as a form of historical bias.
As for my personal statement of ethnicity, I am human. I don't care what melanin content is in your skin as that does not feature in textual conversation, ever. #EndApartheid Ashattock (talk) 23:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial Discrimination 

message: Under ethnic groups, it says
: 99.38% Black African
: 60.39% are Shona; Ndebele are largest minority with 39.10%
Are the two latter the portion of the total population, or just of the black? If it's the latter, it would imply that either Shona or Ndebele isn't a subset of Black African.__Gamren (talk) 17:36, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Percentages 

message: The RTGS dollar is no longer in use, according to Wikipedia itself.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.140.145.216 (talk) 16:40, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is my currency edit in the infobox fine? 

message: what is the bond dollar?--142.163.195.80 (talk) 02:47, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  economics 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zimbabwe&diff=prev&oldid=1008102469
I recently attempted to shorten the lead section of this article as I find that it is too excessively detailed and suffers from significant unbalanced WP:Recentism, particularly the details of the coup which replaced Robert Mugabe with Emmerson Mnangagwa. I find that details such as "On 21 November 2017, Mugabe tendered his resignation prior to impeachment proceedings being completed", "Nelson Chamisa who was leading the main opposition party MDC Alliance contested the election results and filed a petition to the Constitution Court of Zimbabwe" and "The court confirmed Mnangagwa's victory, making him the newly elected president after Mugabe" are not significant enough to be in the lead section under MOS:LEAD.
It should just say that Mugabe resigned following a coup d'etat in 2017 and that Mnangagwa has since served as Zimbabwe's president.DeathTrain (talk) 16:37, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Even with those changes, the lead is still too focused on History. Please do merge the text with the History section, as suggested by Frankaustx, rather than deleting it though. CMD (talk) 01:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zimbabwe&type=revision&diff=1008578022&oldid=1008470442DeathTrain (talk) 01:06, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: The statement that "The country has been in economic decline since the 1990s" is not true. From the "Economy" section:
"After the formation of the Unity Government and the adoption of several currencies instead of the Zimbabwe dollar in 2009, the Zimbabwean economy rebounded. GDP grew by 8–9% a year between 2009 and 2012. In November 2010, the IMF described the Zimbabwean economy as "completing its second year of buoyant economic growth". By 2014, Zimbabwe had recovered to levels seen in the 1990s but between 2012 and 2016 growth faltered."
:Reaching levels similar to the 1990s and then faltering again seems an overall decline. That said, is there a better wording that could suffice rather than cutting what is already paltry economic coverage in the lead? CMD (talk) 13:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think fact that there have been at least periods of significant growth makes that statement untrue, but I've updated to a more accurate statement like you suggested. पदाति (talk) 07:11, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economic Decline 

message: Someone has done some racist editing on this page, needs immediate attention 121.200.5.191 (talk) 04:08, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism in the intro 

message: What is Zimbabwe? It’s clearly Rhodesia 174.197.69.9 (talk) 10:50, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Clearly" out of date there. No?--Vsmith (talk) 11:36, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name? 

message: The following is not a good source for this information  nor is the mini overview  about the documentary  appropriate for this summary article about a country. WP:Summary.
 Moxy- 00:24, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The info is basically there.added "claiming voter fraud" ... mentioning this documentary it's creator it's awards and it's banning  is not relevant to the country's history over all. WP:ONUS Moxy- 01:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Setting aside that you didn't use basically in the right way, there was no information until that edit. If you are going to argue in this fashion you would be able to extrapolate from there and find other articles. You can't. Wikipedia doesn't "mention" a work, book, film, etc. and not say the name of the creator. The award is in the reference and just as you would say the Wizard of Oz is from 1939 you also mention its two Oscars. Extraordinary2 (talk) 02:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Your best bet to promote the film would be to make President (2021 film). Moxy- 02:20, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I want to hear what other people have to say. Again, you miss the point. This is about the facts and things happening. I don't promote films. I believe you are totally wrong.Extraordinary2 (talk) 03:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: another page.and another .Sure lets ask the other reverter  Moxy- 04:23, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: These appear to be edits aimed at promoting the film in question, hence being reverted. Number 57 08:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Documentary award addition  

message: This sentence is a bit misleading and gives Mugabe more credit than he deserves in my opinion. What do others think? El dude brother2 (talk) 18:29, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It was prosperous during the Rhodesian era. I believe it should say that instead. 88.109.64.12 (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ‘Great prosperity during the early Mugabe reign’ line 

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message: Zimbabwe as of now has two capitals because the parliament is being seated in Mount Hampden at New Zimbabwe Parliament Building while the judiciary and executive is in Harare both at Sam.Nujoma Street, so I think we should update the information surrounding the Capitals Mindthem (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim needs sourcing. The Mount Hampden article is very poor, with an uncited claim of being the capital, with the only source stating "Zim Cyber City is being built in Mount Hampden on the outskirts of the capital, Harare". The New Zimbabwe Parliament Building article still describes Harare as the capital, and sources there also seem to describe Harare as the capital. Greenman (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay noted let me work on referencing. Thanks  Mindthem (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital City  

message: Please add the IPA for the pronunciation of Zimbabwe in the Shona language. Thank you. 1.126.111.140 (talk) 15:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea. I've added it. ~~~ Coldspur (talk) 06:07, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shona Pronunciation