Talk:The Raggle Taggle Gypsy

message: I have only just spotted that there is a duplication - my article "Black Jack Davey" is much the same as this article on "Raggle Taggle Gypsy". Ooops! Somebody should amalgamate them.
It would definitely have helped if the author of this article had made a link to Child Ballad 200, then I would have noticied this article.
Ogg 07:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a little dubious about this approach; it seems likely to lead to confusing duplication and forking, and uncertainty about what information belongs where.  I further doubt that the ballad needs 3+ articles.  There's not that much encyclopedic information in any one article at the moment.  Lyrics, for instance, should go to WikiSource.  Jkelly 18:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Duplication

message: I am perplexed by these references: TradIre01, MMacArthur01, LOlder01 (and others) within the article. What are these supposed to represent? As far as I can make out they are not record labels, and not serial numbers of records, so what are they? Ogg 11:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Perplexion

message: Exactly what country does the song originate from?
The article says it has been recorded by artists from loads of different countries, but doesn't seem to say where it first came from. Can we get some clarifacation of that point? --Hibernian 20:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country of Origin? 

message: I now discover that the abbreviations come from this webpage: www.csufresno.edu/folklore/BalladIndexDisc.html
The list must have been copied from that website and pasted in here. To remove the confusion  of unexplained abbreviations I have re-written the list to give the album titles in full, correcting some errors as I went. The list is really over-kill as many of the artists were recorded in the field, without any biographical information gathered on them, and without recording any other songs by those artists. The profusion of "red links" has been removed, as most can never be fleshed out. Two more sections: - "The Broadsides" and "References" are still very obscure, as they refer to abbreviations and authors whose books are not specified. I feel very included to delete these sections altogether are put a link to a website instead, but I don't know the website where they were copied from. Is number 44 in the "References" section a joke? If it is, will we ever find out? Ogg 19:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A joke? 

message: Nobody has responded to my question above, so I have removed the mysterious references. Ogg 14:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mysterious references 

message: This merge was originally proposed by User:Ogg at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Roots music#Black Jack Davy/ Raggy Taggle Gypsies, and seconded by User:TimNelson (that's me).  It's also been proposed that the article use the boilerplate at Template:Traditional Song boilerplate (just put  into the article and save it, and the next time you edit it, you will be able to put everything in the appropriate sections.  
-- TimNelson 08:08, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The remark that "melody counts for almost nothng in the history of folk song" counts for almost nothing in the history of folk song scholarship.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.190.130.77 (talk) 05:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I don't understand the "And yet..." in the History section.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.162.107.11 (talk) 16:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obscure writing 

message: A merge has been proposed but nobody has acted on it. I've made minor repairs to that article. It now says the song is 'similar to' all the songs here, implying that they're the same but 'The Whistling Gypsy' isn't. Can somebody who knows the recordings discussed in the Whistling Gypsy article decide whether or not it's in any useful sense the same song? On the face of it, it seems obvious, but Roud lists only one version with the title 'Whistling Gypsy' and it's not obviously related. I have only the vaguest memory of hearing the Clancy Brothers version, and that may well be a false memory, so I'm doing nothing.DavidCrosbie (talk) 12:58, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an original song written by Leo Maguire. Still very popular in Ireland. Based perhaps on the story related in the other Gypsy ballads, but the theme is also to be found in song from other European countries, for example Germany.Hohenloh  +   16:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I saw the claim that it was written by Maguire. If you're sure of your facts, why not add the information here? I don't think it's necessary to delete reference to it. Some people seem to think it's the same song. DavidCrosbie (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Whistling Gypsy 

message: In the Origins section there is a mention of "dated earlier than 160" for which available references give me no further clue. Surely the date of 160 AD is impossible in this context. What should it be? Snezzy (talk) 13:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earlier than 160? 

message: "Definitely in the top five Child balls ..." under Popularity looks wrong. Surely it should be ""Definitely in the top five Child ballads ...". Can somebody with access to the book check?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Onkelringelhuth (talk • contribs) 15:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misquote from 'The New Penguin Book of Folk Songs'? 

message: Taj Mahal sings a very unique version of this song that should be added to the list. I have no idea how as I have just signed up. This is the Album: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanapepe_Dream
Also, there is a pattern in naming that should be taken into account with the proposed merge. Gypsy Laddie is the first version, Whistling Gypsy Rover is British, Raggle Taggle Gypsy is more modern Irish, Black Jack David or Davey is more American. Tammy Rosner (talk) 07:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A "merge" was carried out in 2008. Please read the articles referred to above for provenance of the songs in question.Hohenloh  +   15:53, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Songs 

message: Judith Ann Knoblock detailed in " 'The Gypsy Laddie' (Child 200): An Unrecognized Child of Medieval Romance" that this song actually began as a folk parody of King Orfeo—a folk ballad which is only preserved in a very fragmentary form.
Knoblock also suggests that it is possible that the actual King Orfeo ballad survived at all long enough to be recorded only because of the somewhat more isolated nature of the Shetland Islands. Knoblock suggests that, on the mainland, " 'King Orfeo' was undoubtedly laughed away".
Ought we to include this information? Tharthan (talk) 04:06, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Began as a folk parody of King Orfeo (Child 19) 

message: I have removed a number of artists who do not appear to be notable. If there are sufficient secondary sources, their recording of the song could be re-added, although the entire section is currently unsourced. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular recordings 

message: I'm missing The Inchtabokatables and their "Three gypsies" version from their "White Sheep" album: https://lyricstranslate.com/de/inchtabokatables-three-gipsies-lyrics.html 176.5.138.34 (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inchtabokatables