Talk:Jack Bauer

message: This section needs condensing, and most of the section consists of original research from the viewpoint of a viewer. Looking over it, I'm not sure how it could be included, but if included, it should fit into the "Characterization" section, should be highly summarised. Anyway, here it is. Steve Crossin (contact) 12:46, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from article 

message: I'm thinking something about how Jack is a Christ figure (literarily / figuratively) should be put in the article.  Here's why (probably more parallels exist):
* Incredibility yet constant omniscience
* Invincibility
* Scars on hand from Marwan
* Killed for certain people's mistakes, then brought back to life shortly after
* Middle-aged
* David Palmer (God) is like a father to him
* Will give his life for his country (sins)
* Self-sacrificing
* Goes on journey in desert (Mojave)
* Long period of silence (solitude) / prison
* Brother who betrays him and becomes evil
* People don't know he's alive until they see him (i.e. doubting Thomas)
* Virgin Mary Tattoo in Season 3  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24 biggest fan (talk • contribs) 18:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christ Figure? 

message: is it worth metioning that Jack is seen sometimes as a trump card?? As his name implies he is the Jack Bauer which is very often used as a trump card in many card games. 82.34.139.114 (talk) 17:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally. I'd put this on the main page if I had a decent link to prove they were aware of it when they named him. The "Best Bower" was a special card invented for use in the game of Euchre in which two of the Jacks are named Right and Left Bower; this happened during the 1860s in the USA. "Bower" is a corruption of the German word "Bauer" used in Alsace, from where Euchre or Juker originated as the ordinary word for "Jack." This card evolved into the Joker during the 1870s. The Joker arrived in Europe in the 1880s along with the game of Poker. It was gradually incorporated into French-suited packs with 52 cards. So Jack Bauer is the trump card and, although the place of the joker in the modern deck is not dervied directly from the Tarot, I'm sure the creators of the show had some cosmic symbolism in mind. Silverwood (talk) 09:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of name 

message: The following was deleted from the article:
"Bauer's use of torture during interrogation is often cited as an inspiration for CIA interrogators http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/04/21/BL2008042101378_pf.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/19/humanrights.interrogationtechniques
I can't find a reason for this deletion here or in the edit history. Anyone object to its reinsertion?
Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 04:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Steve, but it was removed again by Tyuia who gave this reason: "(cited sources do not support this dubious claim, and at any rate this falls under controversies and does not belong in the intro". To my reading the cited sources do support the text. Can you explain why you disagree, Tyuia? Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 20:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: *The Guardian article is only the leade. The full article isn't there. It sounds more like a headline grab than a source. The Post article is a blog entry. Froomkin works for the Huffington Post, not the Washington Post. He wrote an op-ed piece and put it on the blog. Froomkin doesn't actually make the claim, he merely states that some lawyers have made the claim. As such, the Post blog entry shouldn't be used and the Guardian article should be used with caution as it may very well just repeat that some lawyers made the claim like the Post did. Also, as written, the entry is misleading. It says it is "often cited". I don't see that being supported and drifts towards POV. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: So leave out the "often". Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 22:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

text: *That doesn't solve the issue about the WA Post. It's a blog entry of an op-ed by someone not on their staff. In other words, a glorified letter to the editor. And there is a WP:V problem for me for the Guardian article at this point. Just using the leade like that as a reference doesn't allow us to see the context of the accusation. The article itself could end u saying something completely different. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of text and links 

message: "The toxin has been said to have no cure; however, it is most likely that Jack will live."
This line is misleading. There is no evidence to verify that Jack will live. Sutherland is saying he'll be back for season 8, but who's to say Day 8 won't take place within the time frame of the pathogens time scale. I'm not saying he will live or die, I'm saying there's no good evidence either way. 82.16.187.137 (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree that sourcing is needed, but your logic is off. 7 ended with Bauer on his death bed. We saw the pathogen kills fast. There wouldn't be time for another day, especially since sources have already confirmed that the season will take place in NYC with a new head of CTU and that it would be set in the future (ie more than a day or two away). Niteshift36 (talk) 22:16, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack will live 

message: I google the Scalia-Bauer incident in "Law and Politics" section and found the following additional info, which I think should be included in the article and also in the article on Justice Scalia:
http://newquebec.blogspot.com/2007/07/justice-scalia-defends-jack-bauer.html
which quotes
What would Jack Bauer do?
Canadian jurist prompts international justice panel to debate TV drama 24's use of torture
The Globe and Mail
COLIN FREEZE
June 16, 2007
......
During a break from the panel, Judge Scalia specifically mentioned the segment in Season 2 when Jack Bauer finally figures out how to break the die-hard terrorist intent on nuking L.A. The real genius, the judge said, is that this is primarily done with mental leverage. "There's a great scene where he told a guy that he was going to have his family killed," Judge Scalia said. "They had it on closed circuit television - and it was all staged. ... They really didn't kill the family.
Ray Eston Smith Jr (talk) 21:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This may possibly be included somewhere, but the source you've provided is from a blog, which isn't reliable enough to be used on Wikipedia. If this material is posted elsewhere, it might be able to be added. Steve Crossin   The clock is ticking.... 22:04, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Understand the facts are as is & referenced, but is there any counter assessment of this phenomenon, questioning how can jurists argue using a contrived pre-determined fiction based on nazi torture techniques in the courts of the real world? Incidentally Lie To Me used the same trope, are they gonna be quoting Lie to Me now? 110.33.247.71 (talk) 02:42, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Law and Politics - Scalia and Torture 

message: Who is/was Stephanie Bauer? How is she related to Jack Bauer?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattdog1985 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stephanie Bauer 

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