Talk:Magnolia (film)

message: * Just adding some fabulous things doesn't mean plotting to me. It's storytelling not even storylining.
Have anybody seen Dixon stealing anything? Prejudices about little black boys are not well done.-
Or Jim and Jimmys suicidel mood? Have anybody seen in the film magnolia something like that.
May be they cut it off in the german version.... or Hemmingway stood real at the corner.
For me the film, she phil, frank weeps tells borromay circles and not vicious circles. So what are you doing in US
when you should write (right) down a plot?
Dream a little or telling what is visible?! POV!
1) and 2) haven't I seen either. May be the black outs are on my side.
Paying or praying for Pussis is a hard job and to me frank is a sucessfull trainer. [k]not a god sun, but a real
figure and plausible.
Interpretating and fabulating on a serious page should be reloaded.--Danaide (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hemingway at the corner

message: Does anyone know what those firefighting airplanes are called?  Is there an article about them except forest fire? CyborgTosser 07:15, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Firefighting plane

message: Does anyone know why the film is called Magnolia? ThePeg 17.08. 2006
:I'm pretty sure that the events of the film are supposed to have happened on a street named Magnolia. I don't have a source for this offhand, but something somewhere gave me that impression. Britteruci 23:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: It has been suggested that Magnolia (album) be merged into this article or section
I personally think this is a bad idea. The album is notable in its own right. I think there is a problem conflating the album of songs with the soundtrack, and would suggest deleting the song list from the movie page and referring across to the album page instead.Rachel612 05:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Given this consensus I removed the merge tag from here and over at the album page. The score information should also have its own article, but failing that can be in this article. An appropriate disambiguation in the section should prevent its inadvertent deletion. --Dhartung | Talk 06:33, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to merge movie and album

message: "Many"? Great... But where? -_- Could you please provide any references?
Thanks in advance.
Best regards.
--Ncrfgs 10:05, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "''Many''" essays and other writings have been composed on it. 

message: I think that many of the entries in this section are problematic because they are not connections that are explicitly made in the film. For example, "Jim is the kind of guy who could ostensibly benefit from Frank's material." A more valid connection, in my opinion, is that Jim ends up dating the daughter of a man who was the host of a television program produced by Frank's father. I think that these thematic connections are original research, and including them at the expense of the more tangible connections that can be made doesn't seem appropriate. I edited the connections for Frank. Unless someone feels strongly that the old connections were better, I'll do the rest in a few days. I wouldn't oppose a paragraph stating that in addition to these connections, many of the characters are linked by themes of parental abuse, drug use, etc. Britteruci 23:43, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Connections 

message: "The pilot of the plane, Craig Hansen, had met Darion a few days prior at the casino where he worked as a blackjack dealer." <- Which of the two worked at the casino? Xiner 04:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification needed 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Magnoliacoverart.jpg

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Magnolia poster.jpg

message: I'm not sure if it's even important, but I remember a long scene at the game show that ran a very long time without switching cameras. I always thought it would be a difficult scene to shoot, seeing all of the lines that needed to be delivered, people in place, etc. I think that may be an interesting addition to this article. It might hold some sort of record, I'm not sure. --Cngodles (talk) 04:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Added the long take.  External refs I found, to back this up, were not created until 2013 and 2015, long after User:Cngodles (who appears to have been dormant since Jan 2014) raised this issue.  Thanks, Cngodles, wherever you are. Jmg38 (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Long take|Long sequence]] 

message: Im not sure if this is mentioned but I believe there is a connection between Claudia and Frank.  When Phil is looking for Frank, he calls Claudia which you only see from Phil's perspective.  He asks her for information on the phone, but she refuses.  She eventually yells and hangs up.  Why would Phil call her, and why would she be so upset about talking about Frank?  Perhaps they had a relationship, but there is a connection.  I see both Claudia and Frank as victims of abuse that cause them to be emotionally scarred and unable to connect with people.  A relationship between these two would be, in this universe, a perfect but doomed match.  Perhaps, the last one they have that is relatively normal, but I only speculate here.  
This film is a roller coaster ride of symbolism, interconnections, and emotion.  The beginning of the movie, after the prologue, invites you to sit down and watch a story (the tv), literally.  Not a movie for the casual observer, but definately worth the investment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.162.0.42 (talk) 16:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible additional connections 

message: I'll preface this by noting I haven't seen the film and probably shouldn't be the leading force behind this. In any case, the Plot section is currently about double the recommended length (and that's after I've trimmed it), and IMO so many characters are brought up that it's a bit unwieldy. In an attempt to trim the length down and improve coherence, I'm wondering what others would think about reorganizing the plot by arc instead of chronologically. I'm not even sure currently whether there's so much crossover that this wouldn't be possible, but this would probably need to be handled by an editor more familiar with the movie than I. Thanks for your feedback! Doniago (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I heartily agree with Beadmatrix and commend him or her for reducing it from 1,088 to 982, which is a start. The plot is still nearly 1,000 words long, and filled with wordy, bad writing such as the passive-voice phrase "he is resented by the other kids". We can save words this way: "the other kids resent him". This i also states it in the generally better active voice. I've added a plot tag and hope others will follow his/her lead. --Tenebrae (talk) 08:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot reorganization 

message: What significant parts of this film are in German and/or French?  I cannot recall any, and certainly not to the significant degree that would justify the languages being listed in the infobox and language categories.  Can someone she light on this? ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 18:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  Was a specific moment answering a question.  No different from hundreds of movies where there is a scene at an opera, or where a character curses for a moment in a different language, or a film not being labeled a "sports" movie just because the characters play touch football in a single scene. Jmg38 (talk) 19:56, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  German and French? 

message: The statement: "Anderson produced a music video for "Save Me" that featured Mann in the background of what appeared to be scenes from the film, singing to characters. Unlike in many such music videos, there was no digital manipulation involved;[citation needed]"  indeed needs reference for context.  Would linking "digital manipulation" to <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photo_manipulation> also be appropriate?  Gprobins (talk) 20:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Digital Manipulation --> Photo Manipulation? 

message: Though there is a basis in the article for calling Magnolia an epic film, per WP:FILMLEDE, do we really need to say so in the lede?  I'm not going to delete it again, but I do think a discussion is warranted. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 16:05, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I noted there'd been some edit-warring on the subject. What appeared to me to be the last stable version of the article did use the "epic" descriptor. As in all such concerns of this nature, I'm inclined to say that if all else fails we should default to what sources say. Epic film describes it as a style, not a genre, though I'm not sure whether that really has any weight on whether it should be included in the lead. I don't have much of a horse in this race, and will happily defer to others, but if we're going to have a dispute over one (accurate) word, I'd say we may as well leave it in. DonIago (talk) 18:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epic film? 

message: Something that isn’t mentioned in the article is that Cruise’s character in the movie was a clear parody of himself.  At the time, Cruise was a Scientology activist, meaning that he conducted many seminars like the ones in the film.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.249.169 (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruise’s character a parody of himself 

message: I disagree that the plot summary should be shortened.  The movie is long with many characters and plot lines.  I could just delete the recent box but out of Wiki courtesy I only add this talk comment. Eschoryii (talk) 10:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary length 

message: I understand that we wanna keep the summary on the short side, though I agree with Eschoryii in the above comment; the movie is long, complex, and has a lot of plotlines and characters. I think not at the very least acknowledging the opening montage is a mistake; there's a reason the director and writer chose to open the film with that, and the theme of coincidence is incredibly important to the text. As it stands, I've left a short, one-sentence description of it being the opening and its high-level subject matter. I would like to expand it, but I understand if folks don't want that. But I think acknowledging its existence is more than appropriate. TheMonochroma (talk) 08:12, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Per MOS:PLOT, this needs to be a max of 700 words. It is now 715. Can you help us remove at least 15 words? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:17, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  On WP:FILMPLOT, it states that there can be exceptions: "unless the film's structure is unconventional, such as with non-linear storylines, or unless the plot is too complicated to summarize in this range." I think a three hour film with half a dozen different interconnected plotlines merits this exception. There are shorter, simpler movies with longer plot summaries on Wikipedia. But sure, I can shorten it a bit. But I do think this merits an exception. TheMonochroma (talk) 08:27, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thumbs up emoji! ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening montage