Talk:MapleStory/Archive 4

message: Eugh. There are a lot of reasons this article fails miserably:
*No sense of organization in the article. The main part of the article jumps directly into the South Korean version, without any explanation of what servers or worlds are (I'm guessing they're the same thing, but it's not very obvious: It looks like cMS and kMS have more content than the others).
*Images: Images need fair use rationale. You have entirely too many of them (22 world icons?!? 38 total?!?) to be considered "fair use".
*Gameplay: Absolutely no discussion of how the game actually, you know, plays. As in, how is battle conducted? What basic actions do players have access to? How is the game field split up?
*Cruft: There is entirely too much discussion to, for example, how character advancement works. The facts that you get 25 points at creation, with minimums of 4 and maximums of 13, have no relevance to anyone who simply wants to learn about the game, rather than play it; A rule of thumb at WP:CVG is, if it only helps players, it's generally unsuitable. Most sections are entirely too long as a result of filling them with strategy-guide-esque info (Wikipedia is not a strategy guide).
*Blatantly false statements: Emotes are not unique to Maple Story. It's barely unique to Nexon games (old Nexus TK player here). 
*Other failed GA criteria: You have absolutely no references. Do some honest-to-goddess research, and find some Reliable sources that talk about the game.
Hope that helps a bit. This article still has a long way to go for GA, though. You might solicit the Computer and Videogames Project if you need more comments or suggestions. Nifboy 02:15, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i'm sorry this article disgusted you, but we do appreciate the pointers.  The "blatantly false statements" section about emotions was put in just to get people to start editing that section so I guess it was a bad time to add that.  -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also say that this article needs a lot of improvement; there is a lot of information that is useless to people who have never played the game (as Nifboy said, this isn't a strategy guide).  At first glance it looks quite detailed and worthy of being a good article, but looking closer it appears to be full of useless 'stuffing' =P Kalani [talk] 06:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, I noticed that as I was reading though it yesterday morning.  I haven't actually read this article properly in almost a year, just been looking at diffs :P.  Anyone who has suggestions for this article please put it under the #Areas that Need Improvement section so we can keep it organized. -- Prod-You 06:18, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry this article disgusted you, but we do appreciate the pointers.  The "blatantly false statements" section about emotions was put in just to get people to start editing that section so I guess it was a bad time to add that.  -- Prod-You 05:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW, what would be considered stuff that a non-player would not need to know? Just curious. The Captain Returns 02:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: by the way... i have some screenshots peeps can use(aka me as dead, attacking, etc. etc) for this article...
uh... but i dont kno how to upload thems...so yeah.... a little help BluPenguin 01:47, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To upload images to Wikipedia, use the Special:Upload page. Keep in mind that you must mention the copyright status of any images you upload and ensure that you cite the proper sources while uploading images. Kalani [talk] 02:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  screenies! 

message: Is there anything more that could be done to this section? It seems somewhat lacking, compared to the other sections.The Captain Returns 01:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some detail. If there's anymore anyone might want to add, do so. Next, I'm going to cut down on sections 8 & 9. The Captain Returns 03:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Servers and Registration 

message: I've added a new section on Guilds in MS with only basic info, Please help by adding/editting. There is a ref there to MSGlobal site with more guild info, alas the site only work with IE...(dont blame me, blame Wizet :-P) --TheYmode 23:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As a note, to avoid the IE-only thing, just disable javascript. -- Prod-You 02:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It seems appropriate for the article. BTW, I just got back from vacation. :p The Captain Returns 23:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Guilds

message: As you know different version got different content, the new patch for GlobalMS just added Omega Sector and we can expect lots of edits about this. How about adding a Version content table like this draft I made to the main article or one of the other related articles or even a new one? what do you think? --TheYmode 09:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have mixed opinions about this. It provides a simple way of allowing readers to know what content is released in what versions. However, I am concerned about where this would be placed. I am also concerned that this is a bit too much to add to the article; a simple sentence or two in each feature's section about the release status in certain versions would be fine, in my opinion. If it is added to the page, I suggest adding it as a Template. In any case, I will update it in case it is accepted. Kalani [talk] 04:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems a bit more fit for the strategy guide. Whether the commonfolk here accept it or not, you should really post it there.
I've added the templates to the Versions and registration section. Anyone that know please add info about JapanMS, ChinaMS, TaiwanMS and ThailandMS to the template. Heres the Index --TheYmode 15:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version content table 

message: I propose the removal of the other uses, it is very unlikly that anyone looking for Maple or Maple, Wisconsin or any of the other uses of Maple (disambiguation) will spell MapleStory out of all thigs. --TheYmode 15:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of ''other uses'' 

message: now that ranking is back up, go to overall ranking
You can manually type in the rank you want to see. It goes up to about 2.2 million, but after that all the users have the exact same rank (the ranks don't rebuild fast enough to avoid this), so there are probably more like 3 or 3.2 million total, especially since most MMO players quit before gaining too many levels ("this is dumb" "too repetitive" or "i'm so lost, what am i supposed to do?!") and level 8 - the repeated rank cutoff - does take several hours to reach.
Anyway, 1 million is way too conservative, especially because you can get a definite list up to way more than 2 million, and most users have just one character —Preceding unsigned comment added by Froth (talk • contribs) 20:55, 16 June 2006
:Actually most users have at least one or two mule characters. Anyway these numbers come from the developers themself . If anything these numbers are overestimate as some users have more then one account. --TheYmode 19:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mules are only used by higher level characters, which comprise a surprisingly small percentage of the maplestory population. --Froth 16:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  mapleglobal users 

message: Alright. The Korea Portal template has been added and removed many times. Let's discuss this issue - should we remove it or leave it as-is?
*Remove - This is not an articl about the Korean company Wizet, its about an internasional game. --TheYmode 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Korea Portal 

message: In MapleStory World, there is a supposed place called Coke Town. Can we get a citation for this please? Freddie Message? 01:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn’t find anything in the KoreaMS site (maybe because i can read Korean :-P ) but I did found this: http://dtrmp4.com/ms/?p=31 http://henesys.com/?p=31 --TheYmode 01:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, the first one is of Perion. Freddie Message? 16:21, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be how you're able to enter Coke Town, although I would not know. Slof 01:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coke Town 

message: "Thus, the use of third party programs is forbidden, and users who take advantage of them are usually banned from the game and need to pay 2x of his lvl."
Do you actually have to pay some cash as a fine for being caught hacking MapleStory?
--205.237.151.108 21:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When was this added? Removed this nonsense, thanks for the notice. --TheYmode 22:34, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

text: LOL! omg this is so funny, they stop at nothing to get more revenue. When I read it, it sounded so ridiculous that I was sure it was just nonsense. Well you pay only if you want your account back, but as they remove all inventory items and mesos from the account I find it hard to believe that any hacker will pay them. I personally think hackers should be banned, period, no 2nd chances. --TheYmode 16:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Game Issues - Citation Needed! 

message: :Is it really necessary to make so many tabs for the smallest of updates?
:When put through Babelfish, the name of the new continent is returned as "Leaf ley", possibly leading to the current translation of the area. However, when each individual character is translated for sound, the result is more akin to LiPuLe. Verily, the Japanese translate it similarly as "リプレ". This would indicate more of a unique name for the continent: perhaps "Ripley"?
:Why is there a seperate tab for French MapleStory? The current EuroMS setup seems to indicate that only the English text will be available at first, with French and other languages to be added in the future. Perhaps this is all speculation at this point. Still, the obscurity of the available knowledge as well as the current Beta progress of EuroMS seems to suggest that neither of these MapleStories should receive a tab.
By viewing the updates for European MS, I was able to see that it has 5 langauages that are switchable. Perhaps it is mostly translated already, but it's a user option. For example, if you selected French it'll be french when you play. Might cause lots of confusion in game, but I am assuming this is how it's going to be.68.75.38.185 07:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Version Content 

message: While Aqua Road and Whale Island are additions in this patch, it may be wise to cover additional details into this patch.  Like I'm playing a game, and a message comes up saying "You have played MapleStory for 1 hour(s)".   Since when is time tracking needed?? --205.237.151.108 05:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is done, then the patch additions from versions other than MapleGlobal should be added as well. Remember, this article isn't solely about MapleGlobal; it's about MapleStory in general. Kalani [talk] 18:41, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  MapleStory version 0.26 details 

message: Maple Story's Aqua Road allows a player to experience "fly hack", It is mainly based on sea life. the monsters are all sea based monsters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.237.249.3 (talk • contribs) 21:40 31 July 2006  (UTC)
:This is true, but what about Aqua Road do you wish for us to discuss? Kalani [talk] 23:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aqua Road 

message: MapleGlobal, at the moment, is having troubles processing verification emails for users of Hotmail and Yahoo accounts.  Suggested subsection title (10.2): Email problems.  According to mapleglobal.com, new registrants are being asked NOT to use either a Hotmail, Windows Live Mail or Yahoo email address, and use their ISP's email or GMail.  Meanwhile, people who had once signed up using a Hotmail or Yahoo email address are the ones suffering especially following a password change.  However, recently I notified Hotmail in my case and they've said "the messages are on the server ... they just haven't been delivered yet."  Let's see how this will turn out ...
--205.237.151.108 18:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add This to "Criticism"! (Section 10) 

message: I want to join maple story and play crusader. Is there anyone here who can teach me?
thanks,
--Aeryka 23:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help