Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies/Archive 8

message: I just overhauled List of Ellen episodes, but I've never seen an episode in my life, so I'm constructing ep summaries from what I can find on the Internet. If anyone who has seen Ellen could look over my work, and correct or add to it, I would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might try posting to Ellen DeGeneres and Ellen (TV series) as those have active talk pages. Benjiboi 00:48, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, they're not amazingly active, but I did it anyway. Ta. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ellen watchers wanted. 

message: Ok, I've added mention of the press kit, the core topics, the website, the list of recources, deleted the list of core biographies (which I only put there to stimulate interest originally), and added a list fo basic tasks. The basic tasks could do with adding to, if anyone feels up to it. How's it looking? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main page changed 

message: At today's NYC Gay Pride parade I took photos for the following articles:
*Charles Schumer
*Dyke (lesbian)
*Butch and femme
*Transwoman
*Pasties
*Transgender
*Celebrity impersonators (this article is essentially an advertisement)
--David Shankbone 22:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Some great pics in there as ever - thanks David. And some interesting titles - :Image:A Dyke on a Bike by David Shankbone.jpg. ;-) WjBscribe 23:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Scribe.  Wasn't sure how else to title that one - I mean, if ever a photo screamed that there was no OR involved, it is that one.  Yeah...I declined to put a photo caption.  I also was hit on by no less than three transgender/cross-dressers and two BDSMs.  --David Shankbone 23:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest David Shankbone LGBT photos 

message: Someone recently removed the LGBT Project banner and LGBT cats, saying it wasn't referenced.  A quick Google search for +"Meredith Monk" +lesbian gives 779 hits, but the closest I can find to actually categorizing her is .  Can anyone provide anything better? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You might try these - Benjiboi 01:57, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Meredith Monk]] 

message: No-one has submitted a Jumpaclass the entire time I've been away? Shame on you. Submit one, and enjoy the pressure it places on you to perform! Submit, submiiiiiiiit! :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:20, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She's back guys! Be afraid, be very afraid... WjBscribe 23:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess I could've put up Fox and His Friends...I also created a lot of pages about short stories by bisexual author Katherine Mansfield, though the plotlines aren't gay-oriented per se. But overall, a lot of people were probably in exam hell, as I was.Zigzig20s 09:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now is the time to get back in the swing of things, fellow examinee! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:01, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  JUMPACLASS CRISIS 

message: Happy Gay Pride Day, people! :-D Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 09:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Pride Day 

message: You know that little drive we've been having to add every LGB person to our List of LGB people? Well, our list of people who need adding was finally reduced by 20% today, after months of dedicated work from a tiny minority of the editors who post here regularly. Come on people, pitch in! We need those lists finished! Five minutes a day is not a lot of your time, but it would make significant inroads to our goals. I have plans for the finished lists, and it'd be nice to put them in motion before the end of the summer and the upheaval of leaving home... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is somehow too Nineteen Eighty-Fourish for me, so I won't. Sorry. Zigzig20s 18:35, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You think a list is akin to a totalitarian state? Do explain? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course.  We all know the nefarious reasons you are compiling this "list" Dev.  Fess up!  --David Shankbone 19:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First we list all the LGB people... then we can unleash the Sentinels. -FisherQueen (Talk) 19:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahaha, I don't know quite who you are but will you marry me? :D ~ZytheTalk to me! 00:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll be continuing to work on the "W" section.  Single and available... =) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Once, gay marriage is legalised, I'll get to work on gay bigamy. Seriously though, I'll try helping with the to be sorted thingy.~ZytheTalk to me! 11:12, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your help is needed - PLEASE respond 

message: What's the difference between :Category:LGBT theatre and :Category:LGBT plays? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:45, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To me a play is a traditional theater form that can be simply read or acted. Theater is a broader term encompassing seemingly most theatrical presentations and I think includes movies. Benjiboi 09:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two cats ... meow? 

message: FYI, the page m:Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles is currently being considered for deletion at m:WM:RFD#Friends of gays should not be allowed to edit articles. Korg (talk) 23:53, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, dear.  Someone is woefully humor-impaired.  It's called satire.  Aleta 00:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[m:GAY]] listed for deletion 

message: URGENT ACTION REQUIRED: If Kahlo's article is not brought up to standard in 24 hours, it's not going to be featured tomorrow on Wikipedia's main page to celebrate her 100 birthday. They already have another candidate for tomorrow's main article. Is there any Frida Kahlo's fan whose English is top notch, and can bring this article up to standard in just a few hours?
The article is not up to that standard, and tomorrow already has a featured article. --AxG @ ►talk 15:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no way to make an article featured in one day, no matter how good it is.  The review process takes time.  I see that Kahlo will be appearing in the selected anniversaries on tomorrow's page, though. —Celithemis 18:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frida Kahlo's 100 birthday tomorrow July 6th, 2007 

message: Can anyone find a ref for the line in Jack Wetherall that says he's one of four openly gay actors on Queer as Folk? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jack Wetherall 

message: Emiellaiendiay suggested the following articles on the Collaboration page some time ago (intersex and transgender removed):
* Heteronormativity
* Homosexuality in India
* Queer
* Religion and homosexuality
Does anyone object to these becoming the next collaborations, and would liek to suggest something else? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:34, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we (as a group) do better working on the more specific/technical articles (like "heteronormativity" and "homosexuality in India") or on the more general articles (like "queer" and "religion and homosexuality")?  Just a thought... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm interested in working on the Queer and/or Religion and Homosexuality pages. I'll be sure to check back to see what the final determination is.BGMurph 20:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From my observation it would seem little content is actually added during a collaboration, the article is usually rearranged, copyedited, updated, occasionally referenced. Mainly cosmetic work. So if anyone wants to suggest an article that is long but badly written, the Collab is the perfect place for it. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collaboration 

message: This is really funny:  http://sportsreviewmagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1194
When I was contacted I told them I mainly wanted Wikipedia as a resource for free media highlighted.  
--David Shankbone 15:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Congrats, the accolade is well-deserved. And thanks for your many contributions, now and forever ;) TAnthony 16:53, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, thank you...Zigzig20s 16:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm blushing :-) It's kind of my hope people will try to get better photos.  For instance, my photo on Catwalk was replaced by a better one, and my photo of Michael Stipe was replaced in the lead by a much cooler one.  --David Shankbone 17:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've actually thought "What would Shankbone do?" when I'm at celeb events but I still have yet to figure out how my new camera phone works, LOL. TAnthony 17:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blushing is sexy (if I may).Zigzig20s 17:54, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

text: And that's a hawt photo of you :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol.  I had to overcome my timidity.  I did several sessions working with Billy Name and when I told him at times I felt self-conscious he replied, "That's just suppressed vanity.  Get over yourself."  I repeat that in my head every time.  I recently photographed at a party for Tony Award nominees that was given by my friend John Barrett, and it was daunting to go up to some people, such as Oscar Hammerstein's widow, Michael Cunningham and Zoe Heller.  Low lighting made for some less than optimal shots.  But, who the hell am I?  I had to get over myself.  I have a lot of photos of people I don't know who they are, but I know they have articles.  I'll figure them out at some point.  --David Shankbone 18:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: YAY David! Suffice to say I think both Wikipedia and the project would be much, much worse off if you weren't here, David. We all work our little cotton socks off, but how you manage it on top of everything else you do is just incredible. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about me 

message: On the Nigel Slater article, a user has been repeatedly removing the sentence that says he's gay, as well as the LGBT category. At first I was just reverting & warning the user thinking it was straightforward vandalism, now I'm worried it's more of a POV dispute. Eventually he made a comment on the talkpage saying that it's libelous. The source in question is an interview on AfterElton.com which says in the lead, "Openly gay food writer Nigel Slater..." Is this enough to keep it in the article? In his autobiography Slater discussed homosexual feelings / experiences but seems reluctant to discuss his private life as an adult. As a result I haven't found any quotes saying "I'm gay" or anything similar. Are the AfterElton article & autobiography enough?
--Belovedfreak 15:15, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMHO, AfterElton is a reliable source, and an autobiography is definitely one.  That's "enough" to keep it in the article. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:24, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for the quick reply! --Belovedfreak 15:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The page has been protected now, due to "legal problems". :( --Belovedfreak 17:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nigel Slater]] 

message: In this edit the Sheri L. Dew article had its project template removed by a member of this project. I had just added it to the article, as I sometimes do to articles that I come across which to me seem to fall within the scope of WikiProject LGBT studies. Could someone comment on this removal so that I will get a clearer picture of what may not be deemed relevant articles for this project? __meco 08:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, Meco!  I took the LGBT project banner off because a) she's not an LGBT person, b) while her church takes a strong anti-gay stance, and while she made a homophobic speech, the article seems (to me) to place a really strong emphasis on that speech and it's ramifications, which seems a bit WP:UNDUE to me, and c) she's not in any LGBT cats.  I'm open to suggestions from others on this, though. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 10:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It immediately comes to me that if only "LGBT persons" should be covered by this project the whole endeavor becomes very limited. The LGBT community doesn't exist in a vacuum, so that when a LGBT issue becomes a matter of public discourse or controversy, deciding to care for and look after only one side of it makes for entrenchment within the Wikipedia community with WikiProject LGBT studies "representing" the LGBT community instead of the wider aim which is currently professed in the project's stated goals. __meco 10:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found SatyrTN to be a good judge of what fits into the overall scope of the Project, be it actual LGBT individuals or just those involved in the "movement" to some significance. As he notes, I do believe that he would consider the article more relevant to us if there was more sourced information about the impact of Dew and her church on the LGBT community. I agree that the LGBT Project should not have an extremely narrow requirement for inclusion, and yet any person who talks about gays, any TV show that has a lesbian episode or any book that mentions a drag queen shouldn't necessarily be included either. As SatyrTN has said before, the project isn't about "tagging" everything gay, it's about organizing and mobilizing our efforts to improve and expand articles that have some importance or significance to the community. TAnthony 03:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:LGBTProject removed from article 

message: Would someone with some knowledge of comic book characters take a look at the discussion on Talk:Manga Khan and chime in?  Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 10:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic book characters 

message: Lisa Vogel is a founder of the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, but I can't find a source anywhere that says she's a lesbian.  Anyone have one handy? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 17:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lisa Vogel 

message: What is up with this article?  I put a notable tag up on it, but a merge tag with Celebrity impersonator is probably more appropriate.  And the User who created it is canvassing on Talk:Drag queen.  --David Shankbone 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Look alike contest]] 

message: But there's an already existing article on Natalie Clifford Barney. Should a redirect by created?Moni3 18:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a redirect. --Belovedfreak 19:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natalia Clifford Barney on Missing LGBT topics 

message: The following are the individuals who were removed from the Transman article section titled #Notable transmen.  There is a great opportunity here to create articles on these transmen if you can assert their notability.  Please add them to the article as articles are created.  
If you see that an entry is bluelinked in the list below, please check Transman#Notable transmen to make sure the individual is included in the Transman article.  Thank you!  Joie de Vivre T 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Michael Laurence Dillon is Michael Dillon with his forenames backward; I've created the redirect. —Celithemis 21:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transmen who may deserve to have articles created 

message: Add items here only if they are bluelinked AND you have checked to see that they have been added to Transman#Notable transmen.  Thanks!  Joie de Vivre° 15:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bluelinked AND added to [[Transman#Notable transmen]]

message: There is a stub article on the Queer Student Cultural Center at the University of Minnesota, a GLBT student group created nearly 40 years ago (pre-Stonewall) and seemingly the first such group in America.  (And one of the founding officers was the first gay marriage case ever litigated in America Baker v. Nelson.)  
But it keeps getting deleted!  The latest attempt is by somebody named VirtualSteve, who says: 
"A tag has been placed on Queer Student Cultural Center, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia."
I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, and I don't know what to do here.  I have added a bit more detail to the article.  But what do we do to keep this guy from again 'wiping us out of (Wiki) history'?  Any suggestions? T-bonham 07:00, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A good start would be to add references for each claim in the article.Zigzig20s 09:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a ref for the founding of the group from The Washington Post in 1969.  That should satisfy the notability requirements, which is why it was deleted before.  Can you provide the name of the founding officer?  I seem to recall writing an article on him, but can't think of who it was at the moment. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 13:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Jack_Baker_%28activist%29.  T-bonham 02:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not add a reference for each claim if possible?Zigzig20s 06:46, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article keeps getting deleted -- Help!! 

message: Miranda 10:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not bad. Where do you intend to put it up? I was thinking of gay blogs, that might be a start.Zigzig20s 11:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no...:-D See WP:BANNER. Miranda 11:24, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get it. Where does it appear then? On userpages and user talkpages?Zigzig20s 11:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Right...why not ask gay bloggers if they don't mind putting it on their blogs? I think that would be a good way of attracting more members. Don't you think? Zigzig20s 15:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  Only to be used on Wikipedia userspace. Miranda 17:29, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But why? Is this some Wikipedia rule?Zigzig20s 11:46, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On people's blogs does seem like a good idea, if they will do it. Is it technically possible? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh hmm...Can't they just add the picture of the banner? (as in, screenshot, then cutting out the banner, and then they can add it perhaps?) Zigzig20s 18:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it can be embedded fine, see my blog, but the image quality isn't good. Btw, anyone know how I can make it a hyperlink to the project? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I forgot that it was moving, a screenshot wouldn't do...Why is the quality so bad? It would have to look good for bloggers to accept to put it on their blogs I think.Zigzig20s 10:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Sure, I don't mind if the banner is posted on blogs (since I made it).  All I ask is that you attribute the banner to me.  Just, CC-BY-SA it.  And to make the banner have full effect, just make it 480 by 60. Miranda 11:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: HTML markup. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:LGBT"><img src="Qxz-ad48.gif"></a>. Miranda 11:29, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Updated my blog. Looks good, except for that whole falling off the isde of the page thing, btu that's probably my fault. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I just switched permissions on my blogs, so my public one is now the sutiably titled http://wikipedian.blogspot.com/ Banner is now posted there. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to be picky, but you might want to link to my userpage.  Format: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miranda">Miranda</a>. Banner resize: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:LGBT"><img src="Qxz-ad48.gif" height="53" width="445"></a> Miranda 12:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, Dev, what's a link to your public blog? Never mind.  I just need to actually read conversations rather than skimming them. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry? (banner changed again. I'm just crap at html.:) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, as long as they attribute to me and link to my page. Miranda 13:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How would they do that?Zigzig20s 13:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that cannot be done (which may be what your silence implies), then does that mean we need to find someone else who will make another banner and not care about having their name spread across the web? Or, can't you add your name in small letters at the bottom, on the banner itself perhaps?Zigzig20s 09:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Miranda gave the code above, and Dev920 has implemented it on her blog http://wikipedian.blogspot.com/ so go for it! TAnthony 12:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it reads, 'Image created by Miranda ' underneath...Is that a requirement? (might not be too easy for bloggers to type that, if the banner appears in a corner or on a side column or whatever).Zigzig20s 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would be happy to create a banner that does not need attribution and can be linked directly to the portal. I can work on it later today.BGMurph 20:04, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That could be useful perhaps.Zigzig20s 05:49, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT banner 

message: I need some second opinions on La Comay.  It's not clear (to me) from the article, but evidently Antulio Santarrosa Acevedo dresses up in a costume as a puppet or doll that is female.  Does that fit the definition of cross-dressing?  Or transgender?  Is the article within our scope spectrum? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:23, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this cross-dressing doll cross-dressing in the same way Milton Berle or Flip Wilson did? Moni3 18:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so... -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that's the case, then it's done for comedic affect. If it's not done to insult TS/TG folks, and not done to express honest and serious gender issues, I don't think it's in the scope of the LGBT project. There's an HIV+ muppet on South Africa's version of Sesame Street that teaches kids what it's like to be HIV+, so that's serious. I've never seen this show, so I don't really know if it's serious or not.Moni3 19:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: From the article itself it doesn't seem like it's LGBT. Someone who speaks Spanish and willing to see if there is any references to LGBT issues might be able to make that connection but I don't see it. If the actors are gay or the doll is definitely a male doll in (female) drag then possibly as they do seem to be a national figure effecting culture and politics. Benjiboi 20:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, I did a bit of research, and it definitely looks as if he is connected with LGBT issues, but not in the sense you might think. According to this source and several blogs I read, this guy (who wields a puppet, not dresses as one as far as I can tell, although I *could* be wrong) uses the LaComay character to make fun of homosexuals, and he has in fact been sued for hate speech. So there is a LGBT connection, but... Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 21:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, sure, Raystorm.  I'm all ready to say "Okay, kewl." and you pop in with that!  Thanks! :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  *Snicker* I aim to please! Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 11:02, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross dressing doll 

message: I hope this is not an issue, but I created a new article that falls under the purview of this project, Stonewall Library & Archives, so I added the LGBT Wikiproject tag to it. If it is inappropriate, please let me know and I will remove it. Horologium t-c 01:33, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds appropriate to me... Aleta 02:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT Project tag added by project non-member 

message: Greetings. I've done some work on Slut Night and would appreciate some extra eyes to look it over as the article is up for deletion and I have to get some sleep. Benjiboi 13:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks all for your supportive comments, my computer kept stalling and finally I had to give to sleep so I'm glad my narrative seems to work! Benjiboi 01:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Slut Night]] 

message: I note that  is the 1st admin listed at Tranny International's "about us" page. Hence, their creation of the wiki article on Tranny International is a conflict of interest and I've just substed the COI warning,  onto their talk page. I note that someone else already added a non-notable tag to the article. Is that web site any more notable than the dozens (hundreds?) of similar sites out there, or should we support the non-notability and let the article get deleted? --AliceJMarkham 00:15, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI Alexa.com provides website info and as part of the summary shows the the far majority of Tranny Int'l users are from the UK which would explain why they are virtually unknown is the US. . I'm not personally familiar with them but a quick look [www.TrannyInternational.com] seems to show they are indeed credible and non-commercial and have thousands of user profiles so seems to be in that "actually a community" category. I suggest supporting the article. Benjiboi 01:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: *The creation of the wiki article strikes me as spamming wikipedia to advertise their site. I'm still not convinced that this particular site is more notable than the many others out there. Otherwise, U R Not Alone, tranny radio, etc would also be notable enough to justify wiki articles. I'm a little concerned that if this one scrapes over the line as notable, it's going to encourage a flood of other website administrators to create articles about their own sites to promote them on wikipedia. Oh, and I'm not in the USA, I'm in Australia. --AliceJMarkham 07:27, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: * Speedy-deleted, having been tagged NN-web - Alison ☺ 18:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tranny International]] 

message: I have been asked by Reg Domingo for an interview for SX News on the project. We're keen to get an Australian WP:LGBT member involved as well - is there anyone here from Australia that would like to appear? Do we even HAVE members from Australia? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Dev is officially a muppet. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yes, but a hard working muppet all the same. :) --AliceJMarkham 12:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Australian editor needed for interview. 

message: Ok, it's not glamorous. I'm helping out with creating a virtual press kit for Wikimedia, and I thought it would be cool if we did our own one that we can release on Youtube and do other fun things with it. So, if anyone wants to be involved in the planning, or would just like to sit in front of a camera and be a talking head saying scripted lines enthusiastically, do let me know. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Volunteers for glamorous television work wanted... 

message: People might like to give their thoughts on this one  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick mallory (talk • contribs).
:Nomination has been withdrawn by the nominator. I have to say, it's the fastest open and close I've ever seen... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people]] up for deletion 

message: If anyone here reads Italian, could you take a look at Emilio Colombo, specifically the referenced article here?  And see if that's a reliable source?  Thanks!! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:03, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found an even better ref from L'Espresso of La Repubblica, where I think it was originally published. And yep, he's gay. :-) Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 21:50, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italian, anyone? 

message: hey'all, I've done some work on the Jeffree Star article(s) to help establish notability. The majority of material about him is unusable as his fame was created in blogs and continues to build there but I found several good stories that had a wealth of material. The article still needs work but I'm trying to preserve it from endless AfD'ing. Benjiboi 18:00, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jeffree Star]] article(s) 

message: Someone  has added a deletion tag to this article I've created. I don't think it should be deleted - it was shown at various film festivals , , even appears on the BBC website , appeared in Têtu (see reference in the article), and there is even a page on it on what I take to be Romanian Wikipedia . Shouldn't the deletion tag just be removed?Zigzig20s 04:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None of that info is in the article yet... But if it goes in, I'd just remove the prod.  If the IP user wants to take it to AFD, they can't. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that better? Unfortunately the pictures on the Romanian page aren't on Wikicommons, so I can't put them up here...I tried to look at the translation page  in hopes that someone could ask them (in Romanian) to move it to wikicommons, but no such luck. It would be nice to have the pictures, maybe I should just ask them in English?Zigzig20s 04:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better - I've rated the article as a Stub until we can get a bit more information on there, but at least now it's sourced.  I removed the Prod. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Love Sick (film)|Love Sick]] 

message: Should this be added to the project as well?Zigzig20s 08:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't seem LGBT-related to me.  Is it? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I haven't seen it, but the man dresses up as a woman. That might meet the 'T' requirement in LGBT perhaps? (I am much more of a queer-theory person.)Zigzig20s 04:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know - do cross-dressers meet "T"? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 05:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cross-dressers are within the T spectrum as T is for trans and cross-dressing its within that umbrella term. Benjiboi 06:05, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Madame Irma]] 

message: I'm not even sure how I first noticed this guy's article but he seems to have acted in a bunch of films. Then it popped in my watchlist because an anonymous user deleted all the supplemental info (co-stars, studio info) from his films list leaving only the titles seemingly in a quest to gut the article. Now, presumably the same anonymous user is shooting for a speedy delete. When I undid the mass deletion of info I didn't cite a WP policy and the editor redeleted because I didn't - so obviously they are somewhat experienced user. I'm not terribly beholden to thinking the world will be worse without this article but it seems wrong and an abuse of the processes. Could some of y'all more knowledgeble with admin protocols take a look and see if 1. they did make sweeping edits that were out of line and 2. Is this AfD also out of line? thank you. Benjiboi 20:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does fail WP:PORNBIO.  And not that big a loss, IMHO :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 21:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. Could you reply to the idea of anonymously doing all of this? Seems suspect but maybe that's a standard way of getting rid of articles. Benjiboi 22:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anons can do pretty much anything - there are a few technical limitations on them, but changing content isn't one of them.  Officially, we welcome their contributions and encourage them to stick around (and get an account).  It's not all that unusual, but it's not the most common thing either.  - Philippe | Talk 22:34, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No - not the most common.  In fact, AFAIK, one thing an anon can't do is finish out the AfD process &mdash quote: anonymous contributors are currently unable to create new pages (as required by step 2 of "How to list pages for deletion") -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 03:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the whole situation struck me as odd as the user definitely knows a bit of advanced editing but conveniently used a different IP each time so no talk pages dialog would have worked; didn't use the article's talk pages before deleting the majority of the article and then went right into AfD. Just seems an abuse of processes on top of a waste of time. Why go through the effort of gutting an article and then deleting it? For that matter why bother the article in the first place it was a stubby porn bio - who cares? Benjiboi 04:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marco Rossi (porn star) being gutted/deleted anonymously 

message: I've just created this page Oyster. The eponymous character is bisexual. However, I am not adding the LGBT tag because mention of his bisexuality is very scanty - his first description goes along the line of "epicene", and the other mention is when Mercy is told Brian is a favourite of Oyster's (at this point the word 'bisexual' is used). However, that didn't strike me as the backbone of the plotline or anything. Perhaps a queer theory analysis would lead to another conclusion though - feel free to browse through jstor if you have access to it!Zigzig20s 07:26, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Oyster (novel)|Oyster]] 

message: Fudgie Frottage article (not my creation) was pretty messy but I added a lede, etc to assert notability. Could some folks take a look at it and make suggestions for next steps? I'm familiar with Fudgie's work but as it's quite extensive I don't have time to do all the research so I'd rather focus on what's needed to avoid deletion for now. Benjiboi 22:37, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Fudgie Frottage]] deletion review 

message: Not sure if the AfD is worthy of attention but the information doesn't seem to be in the main article. Benjiboi 23:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would that be deleted?Zigzig20s 23:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calling it a trivia collection, has only delete and strong delete votes so far, I figured I was missing some obvious point. AfD page - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walt Whitman in popular culture. Benjiboi 23:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Walt Whitman in popular culture]] article up for AfD 

message: We said two and a half months ago that I would continue as Coordinator until August and we'd elect some Deputy Coordinators to get some people experienced in what I usually do, and reevaluate the situation towards the end of July. Well, we're coming there now, and I think it's time to evaluate. 
I have been acutely and embarrassingly aware of my lack of reliability and irregular work over the past two months - obviously I couldn't help having exams and being dragged off to hell for a month, but all the same I have felt somewhat ashamed that despite having the caretaker role, I haven't been doing all that much caretaking. Kudos to everyone else who took up the slack, especially SatyrTN. I have all of August to get back in the swing of things but from September 4, I have a full time volunteering placement at Bradford University for a year. I ensured that I have broadband Internet access (well, actually, I told the supervisor very firmly that if I did not have Internet access I would not be volunteering with them, no matter how much pain the disabled were in), but my schedule sounds somewhat hectic and irregular, so until I feel I have regular time online, I don't think I should continue as the somewhat distant Coordinator, holding the fancy title but not really deserving it. I therefore offer to step down from the role, knowing that I may not be able to do it or you all justice.
So, the project now has several options:
* Elect a different Coordinator and Deputy Coordinators for August through October.
* Abolish the positions altogether.
* Keep me as Coordinator and hope that it'll all turn ok.
* Something else.
It's really up to you. I'm happy to go with whatever the project wants to do - I've got lots of ideas for WP:LGBT, but I've got lots of ideas for other WikiProjects on Wikipedia and for elsewhere online too. None of it requires me to be a Coordinator at all if you think housekeeping should be left to fate or someone else. 
We have come such an amazingly long way since November, and there's a real community of people here - we've not gained that many FAs, but I think it is obvious to everyone that our article quality has been on an upwards curve. What direction it takes next is your call. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it doesn't upset the system too much why not add a third person who can be introduced to the process and glamour of the work and you can swoop in superhero-like as time allows? Benjiboi 00:51, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's been virtually no response to this, so I shall remain as a distant Coordinator until someone objects. The title is very handy for dealing with the press. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:18, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No objection. WjBscribe 07:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinatorness. 

message: American Family Association is not currently tagged for this project; it might be within scope of this project under the "societal reaction" dimension like Westboro Baptist Church and Jerry Falwell. I leave it to experienced project members to decide. AUTiger » talk 03:06, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AFA in scope? 

message: I recently discovered the wonderful world of irc channels. :-) Does this project have its own irc channel? Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 12:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope. I suggested it, but no-one seemed that interested. Might be worth doing now though. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 12:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it'd be a blast. :-) Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 14:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have mIRC, I use a java application so I don't have to deal with it, so you'd better set it up. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 14:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea how to do that. :-P I'll ask at the Spanish wiki channel. Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 14:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRC 

message: Should the LGBT Project tag be added on the talk page, given that he was 'the first French politician to be fined 3,000€ for his homophobic remarks' last year? I would tend to think so.Zigzig20s 00:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be a good point of info for homophobia article but famous homophobes aren't automatically included in the LGBT category. Benjiboi 02:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, he is mentioned here .Zigzig20s 11:41, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Christian Vanneste]] 

message: I was thinking of suggesting this  as the next monthly collaboration. It would seem very important and urgent imo. Of course this would entail more than one page (so many red links yet), but we'd have a whole month and I suspect that some of us have more time because of the holiday...What do you reckon?Zigzig20s 11:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We can... but I'm not sure that it would be improved much. The collaboration seems to tidy up articles, not really write them. But we can give it a go. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:36, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a good start might be to know where to find the info. It's relatively easy to find info on lgbt rights in the uk, not so easy to do so for most african countries - mostly because they don't get much media coverage. Also, for african countries, it might be sensible to add a section on how colonial rule may have impinged on lgbt rights...Zigzig20s 19:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would probably be a good idea. I dunno about Africa, but certainly India's anti-gay laws only came in when we conquered them and imposed our legal system (mea culpa). Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 19:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  next collaboration - lgbt rights by country? 

message: I was going to post this link on the relevant article pages, but then noticed your project page and thought you might prefer if I announce it here first.  
As part of our coverage of the fortieth anniversary of the decriminalization of homosexuality in the UK, Advances in the History of Psychology (an academic blog run out of the Department of Psychology at York University) has published a set of bibliographies that you may find useful.  The link will take you to a list of high-quality peer-reviewed journal articles that discuss the history of homosexuality from a psychological perspective, including numerous documents detailing how conceptions have changed in psychotherapy and by region.  And, as trained historians, we thought this resource could be useful for your project; our unique contribution to an important online endeavour. JTBurman 12:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooooooh, that can go straight onto our list of resources. Does anyone have access to the journals themselves? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't want to sound unduly picky, but in 1967 homosexuality was not decriminalised in the UK.  What happened was that homosexual behaviour among males in certain circumstances (IIRC, the parties had to be 21 or over, it had to be in private only, not more than two people could be involved, etc., etc.) was decriminalised. --GuillaumeTell 21:46, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and gay men had to draw their curtains tight because some neighbours might go looking to see if they could see anything and could have them arrested if they did. But even if it did subsequently take another 30 years to equalise the ages, it's a fairly psychologically significant date. "Yay, we can have a relationship with a consenting same sex partner now!" sounds better than "Yay, we can have sex with sixteen year olds now!" Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:54, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bibliography of scholarly resources 

message: Check it out. :-P Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 12:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, if there were a gay cabal, we would say that, wouldn't we? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:20, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So ... do we get cute outfits and a members card? And a discount on mimosas? Benjiboi 20:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it wrong to want to design members' cards now? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh my, he's inspired. X-D Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 22:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh my God Dev, that was brilliant! X-D *High fives Dev* Raystorm   (¿Sí?) 23:16, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought you might like that. ;D Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, Dev, that was hilarious!  Aleta 01:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The gay cabal strikes again! 

message: I was hoping to wikify 'law enforcements concerning homosexuality in France and in the United States' on my current Jumpaclass page, Giovanni's Room. Should I just link them to LGBT rights in France/the US, or is there a better page with strictly historical info regarding law enforcement and subsequent decriminalisation?Zigzig20s 01:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that I'm aware of (Write it. :)). Linking both LGBT rights in France and US (I managed to spell every word in that sentence wrong first time round - what is wrong with me?!) is probably the best option. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  law enforcement 

message: The original article that I picked, "Straight pride" has been re-written by admin. It may or may not stay as I nominated it for deletion based on the old article. Should it stay I cannot take credit, good or bad for it's current form. So I decided to take a look at "Gay pride"...guess what? It's a start class article as well with only 3 references! Shame on us! So that will hopefully be a better project for me.--Amadscientist 10:27, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would brilliant if you could improve that - it has more pictures than words at the moment (though the pictures are very pretty). Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I am a bit responsible for the overindulgence of images. Some of them are mine from SF pride parade. But since Gay pride parade has it's own article, I now understand why they may not be appropriate.--Amadscientist 21:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed my Jumpaclass article 

message: Elagabalus has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. DrKiernan 07:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elagabalus 

message: Our peer reviews are starting to get backed up, if people could cast an eye over 'em I'm sure their submitters would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:24, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where are they? or can several be listed here? Benjiboi 23:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They are all currently listed at the top of this page in the tasks template, or alternatively can be viewed here. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer reviews. 

message: Hi, I know how to move an article but can someone point to info about renaming an image file without deleting and reloading? Benjiboi 03:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know nothing about renaming images, but if you did, wouldn't that make the image NOT appear on all the other wikipages where it currently does?--Textorus 03:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would until you fix those article's links. Benjiboi 03:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that's fine if you want to go to the trouble; hope it's not an image that's already on several dozen pages, tho.  --Textorus 03:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way to do it is to upload the image again with the new name, replace the old image in related articles, and then tag the original image with . This marks the original image for speedy deletion, referencing the new duplicate. If you are the uploader of the original image, you can use . TAnthony 03:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming image help 

message: Just alerting everyone to today's mass-nomination at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Sexuality Related User Categories. TAnthony 16:20, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umpteenth sexuality CfD nom 

message: I know that groups like NAMBLA have for the most part been condemned by all major LGBT groups, but I was wondering if their are any major LGBT groups that actively campaign against pedophile groups. The reason I am asking is there is a major POV struggle going on over certain articles relating to articles on child sexuality. Their seem to be two extremes that are constantly at war with each other. The one extreme side seems to constantly compare themselves to how LGBT people were and to a large extent still are oppressed by society. The other side seems to go to far out of its way to attack pedophile organizations, using questionable sources. Although I am practically opposed to everything organizations like NAMBLA (I don't even believe in trying people under 18 as adults because I think they lack the full judgment an adult would have), I think that all article should be NPOV and that organizations like NAMBLA's platform speaks for itself without having to engage in questionable spin tactics.  Thanks,  Jmm6f488 16:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not heard of any. If there were evidence of GLBT children being targeted by pedophiles then that might change but hate crimes and legislation to gain equal rights seem much higher on the agenda. Benjiboi 11:49, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  gay anti-pedophile activists? 

message: I've just tagged this for unencyclopedic tone.  Needs a good bit of clean-up, but I'm not interested enough in the topic, I'm sorry to say, to do it.  I've got a bunch of other, closer-to-home topics on my personal to-do list that I can't seem to get around to as fast as I'd like.  Real life just gets in the way, you know what I mean?  :-)  --Textorus 00:41, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just left a note on the SGpedian's noticeboard for some help. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 06:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, thanks!  --Textorus 22:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[History of homosexuality in Singapore (2000s)]] 

message: I've just downgraded this from GA to Start-class.  (How it ever made GA, I have no idea.)  It's a great topic, but all jumbled up and terribly incomplete.  See my review of it from six months ago here.  The original editor has left Wikipedia for good, and having read her reasons on her userpage, I can well understand her feelings.  (I've become a disciple of the Sublime Truth and Serene Self-Mastery Cabal myself, for similar reasons.)  But I do hope some kind soul who's a good writer and researcher will take this poor orphaned article to heart, and give it a good home.  And work back up to a truly-deserved GA status!  :-)    --Textorus 01:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. - A nagging suspicion led me to do a little peeking in the GA guidelines, and wouldn't you know, I have messed up on the delisting process.  Well, FMTT.  It's dinnertime here, I'm starved, I'll see about correcting it later.  Maybe.  --Textorus 02:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I delisted it (minus the waiting period). We'll just have to see if anyone pitches a fit. BTW, I had to pull out ye olde urban slang dictionary for FMTT. If that's what you meant, well then, just, well, Ha! ZueJay (talk) 03:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup, you got it. ;-)  Though the dictionary def is not right.  Among gay men in the South, at least, I can tell you authoritatively that it is not at all "interchangeable with LOL, ROFLMAO," etc.  Rather, it would be a vulgar equivalent of something like "That's amazing" or "Wow, I can't believe I/you/he/she/they did that."  Or among the teen generation, perhaps the most current equivalent is "WTF."    Hey, thanks for fixing my screw-up with the delisting.  I hope you and other editors will make a really fine article out of that piece.--Textorus 04:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got a handful of articles on my "To Do" list, so I hope others jump in with at least a toe! And that Urban Dictionary's all I got to go on when you youngin's start whipping out these abbreviations - you know how long it took me to figure out "rotflmao" the first time I saw it? Thanks for the clarification, though, good to know its not interchangeable - that dictionary also appears to be user-edited. ZueJay (talk) 13:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we all know the problem with "user-edited" content, don't we?  Ha.  There are some days I don't know why I bother contributing to Wikipedia.  I guess the only real reason is, it's just fun to create something good and see it appear instantly, and available to the whole world.  A great way to pass the time and feel constructive, instead of passively watching TV or something.  But of course, all your good work can be FUBAR by anybody at any minute.  So I just do what I can for my own enjoyment and keep repeating, DGAF, DGAF . . . --Textorus 22:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Lesbian American history]] 

message: The article Straight pride has a huge problem of with references. There is an overuse of the website "Straight Pride Wear" a T-shirt site that sells the "Straight Pride" shirts, also known as "Straight pride.com". It also has a single editor that refuses to allow any changes to the article. the member Cheeser1 has been reverting editing out my contributions and I am beginning to suspect it has to do with my having the LBGT Studies tag on my user page and this person may be apart of the website. This is speculation however it has escalated to the point that I have had to go to Admin with the problem. Cheeser1 has changed nearly everything I have attempted. If this page is apart of this project can something be done to allow it's member the ability to not face harassment in editing! Please help! I am seriously beginning to get upset!--Amadscientist 05:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem seems to have literally gone away. I clicked on the article, looked at it then went to look at its history and it was gone. :) The article was not really notable, but I'd suggest watching it in case it gets re-created. I've added it to my watchlist. --AliceJMarkham 06:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been deleted? (Doesn't it usually take a few days for an article to get deleted at least?)Zigzig20s 06:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a "Speedy Deletion" Tag to it tonight as I was fed up with all the references to the "straight Pride Wear" website and claims that it was an official website. I had removed them or replaced them several times as well as attempting to make several other improvements by discussing the small grass roots movement but they were all deleted or reverted by the single member. The speedy deletion tag was removed several times as well but i kept putting it up as the article was obviously a thinly veiled attempt to promote a single social political website. I was about to give up myself when.....poof it was gone. I guess admin agreed it was an ad. I am always watchful for such articles, but this one was really just guarded to well by a single member to be anything but propaganda and advertising. Seriously got my dander up people. Thanks for the support! I hope to be able to contribute more!--Amadscientist 06:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: How do we score someone getting their jumpaclass article deleted? :-) WjBscribe 07:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good point. I hadn't thought about any points. I was looking to improve the article until I encountered the Guard at the door. If I have to take minus points for it....so be it! Worth it just to be rid of a major Wiki problem as far as I am concerned.--Amadscientist 08:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: *I'd rate at least one positive point for its deletion. No article at all is an improvement on what was there. :) --AliceJMarkham 08:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's back. This is weird...Zigzig20s 10:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: *It seems that the admin who speedy deleted it decided to undelete it and take it to AfD. If you're not familiar with the AfD (Article for Deletion) process, have a read of the info in the AfD box at the top of the article. --AliceJMarkham 10:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Blink....Blink.......OK...that was a little weird.  I offered a friendly suggestion about how to handle these matters and you jump down my throat?  Who is being uncivil here?  The topic you chose for this section of the talk page was: Desperately in need of help! Member is reverting and editing out my contributions to Straight pride article. Please Help!.  The wiki guideline  for seeking help is not about seeking help to advance your position, but about seeking help to improve articles related to the topic.  The dispute the way you describe it also fits the description of an edit war to the T, and I never said you were a bad editor or project member for edit warring. I mean, honestly! Chill the fuck out.  CaveatLectorTalk 05:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was nothing friendly about that sir. First of all you did it again. Putting words in my mouth. I didn't want help in advancing my position, just being able to edit the page. Second I did not jump down your throat, I pointed out that you were incorrect that my coming to this page for help was somehow improper. And last....your final response proves my point. Thank you very much. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?--Amadscientist 05:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Paron me, but fuck, shit, cock, and goddamn. You'll have to learn at some point that Wikipedia is not censored, and it would probably do you well to learn the difference between profanity that is used to directly insult someone and that which is used for emphasis of a point.  If you view all profanity as 'uncivil', well that is your point of view, and as medieval as it is, you're entitled to it.  As to this idea that I am somehow 'putting words into your mouth', I copied and pasted YOUR OWN talk page section title to show that you were clearly attempting to garner 'support' for an editing dispute.  How on god's ever-growing-less-green earth is that putting words into your mouth?  Beyond that, you clearly 'jumped down my throat' when you called me uncivil, in a tone that was at the very least less than civil itself, because I gave you a completely friendly suggestion.  There is NOTHING of malice or anything of that sort in what I wrote to you. I mean, honestly, I even made a cabal joke to lighten what I said even more.  So, as I suggested COOL YOURSELF DOWN, and this time, if you didn't before (and it seems you didn't, because it seems you missed the entire point here) click that link and read the very helpful essay that my 'Chill the fuck out' suggest was TRYING to point you to.  Christ almighty. I AM NOT YOUR BLOODY ENEMY, not in the Straight pride article, and not anywhere else! CaveatLectorTalk 06:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Let me put this in terms you can understand. If that was friendly, I am NOT your friend pal. You are wrong about why I brought this discussion here and are wrong with using such uncivil language. If this is the response I am to expect on this project let me know right now and I will remove myself from it. I do not need stupidity of this nature in my Wikipedia experiance and would walk away from a person like you in real life.--Amadscientist 07:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: LOL! Thank you....I think.....no I'm pretty sure.....I think. LOL!--Amadscientist 21:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that's a good idea - the section needs expanding and it is logical to include well-referenced Straight Pride movement attempts made by College Republicans and others. ZueJay (talk) 20:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Desperately in need of help!''' Member is reverting and editing out my contributions to [[Straight pride]] article. Please Help! 

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*Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts, for problems with uncivil editors
If you have not agreed to a truce before this point, you should do so now. Continuing to escalate the conflict with competing edits is likely to aggravate the dispute. This is also important if you intend to solicit outside opinions because it allows others to consider the issue fairly without the confusion of ongoing edits. If an edit war persists and parties refuse to stop, you may request that the page be protected to allow the process to move forward.
--Amadscientist 04:07, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Blink....Blink.......OK...that was a little weird.  I offered a friendly suggestion about how to handle these matters and you jump down my throat?  Who is being uncivil here?  The topic you chose for this section of the talk page was: Desperately in need of help! Member is reverting and editing out my contributions to Straight pride article. Please Help!.  The wiki guideline  for seeking help is not about seeking help to advance your position, but about seeking help to improve articles related to the topic.  The dispute the way you describe it also fits the description of an edit war to the T, and I never said you were a bad editor or project member for edit warring. I mean, honestly! Chill the fuck out.  CaveatLectorTalk 05:03, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was nothing friendly about that sir. First of all you did it again. Putting words in my mouth. I didn't want help in advancing my position, just being able to edit the page. Second I did not jump down your throat, I pointed out that you were incorrect that my coming to this page for help was somehow improper. And last....your final response proves my point. Thank you very much. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?--Amadscientist 05:47, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Paron me, but fuck, shit, cock, and goddamn. You'll have to learn at some point that Wikipedia is not censored, and it would probably do you well to learn the difference between profanity that is used to directly insult someone and that which is used for emphasis of a point.  If you view all profanity as 'uncivil', well that is your point of view, and as medieval as it is, you're entitled to it.  As to this idea that I am somehow 'putting words into your mouth', I copied and pasted YOUR OWN talk page section title to show that you were clearly attempting to garner 'support' for an editing dispute.  How on god's ever-growing-less-green earth is that putting words into your mouth?  Beyond that, you clearly 'jumped down my throat' when you called me uncivil, in a tone that was at the very least less than civil itself, because I gave you a completely friendly suggestion.  There is NOTHING of malice or anything of that sort in what I wrote to you. I mean, honestly, I even made a cabal joke to lighten what I said even more.  So, as I suggested COOL YOURSELF DOWN, and this time, if you didn't before (and it seems you didn't, because it seems you missed the entire point here) click that link and read the very helpful essay that my 'Chill the fuck out' suggest was TRYING to point you to.  Christ almighty. I AM NOT YOUR BLOODY ENEMY, not in the Straight pride article, and not anywhere else! CaveatLectorTalk 06:56, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Let me put this in terms you can understand. If that was friendly, I am NOT your friend pal. You are wrong about why I brought this discussion here and are wrong with using such uncivil language. If this is the response I am to expect on this project let me know right now and I will remove myself from it. I do not need stupidity of this nature in my Wikipedia experiance and would walk away from a person like you in real life.--Amadscientist 07:39, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: LOL! Thank you....I think.....no I'm pretty sure.....I think. LOL!--Amadscientist 21:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I think that's a good idea - the section needs expanding and it is logical to include well-referenced Straight Pride movement attempts made by College Republicans and others. ZueJay (talk) 20:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discuss with third parties 

message: up for speedy delete Benjiboi 23:29, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd say delete on grounds of non-notability, lack of independent verification, and self-promotion.  Looks like a small student group at U of Cinn, about 20 members.  But where is the delete discussion happening?--Textorus 03:31, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This raises an interesting question though - grassroots movements and local resistance. Those things probably won't matter much when we have equal rights - but we don't - so I think a section on their actions would be good. BTW, do LGBT societies in American universities belong to a (nationwide) umbrella organisation?Zigzig20s 10:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I take it you are not from the U.S.  Nope, this is the "land of the free," anybody anywhere anytime can start any group they want and call it what they want.  College students, in particular, are famous for organizing all kinds of small groups that might or might not last till the end of the next semester.  I'm not aware of any "umbrella organization" for LGBT college groups, though perhaps there is a national organization of some kind that does support some groups.  But even if it were a chapter of a national org, that's not enough to be listed separately on Wikipedia, as I understand the guidelines.  The problem with this article, as I said before, is that there is no independent souce establishing the group's notability, as outlined in the guideline at WP:ORG.--Textorus 04:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand the questioning of GenderBlocs need to be included. GenderBloc is a relatively new organization, however in the time it has been in the works it has become partner to many national organizations, including working directly with governmental candidates on national policy. And, since the group is young, it still does not have a long list of bells and whistles to promote it, but especially in the next year, that will change. It may seem ludicrous to compare the GenderBloc entry to GenderPAC and the HRC entries because those groups are so large and nationally recognized, but I feel they are very similar. Grassroots movements and radical groups may not have the funding or press to be nationally recognized, but that does not mean that they are not well known and prosperous. There is no 'umbrella group' for collge organizations and there are so few ways to gain information on what groups are out there, as well as what ther are doing. I feel that it is partly because of this that no 'umbrella group' has been formed. There is no communication, or even a way to communicate or acknowledge existance, between college groups and between college and national groups. I added GenderBloc here so that people would be able to find a description of it if they were looking for it. If it is not notable enough yet, then I understand that it will be deleted and then perhaps when it is notable enough I can add it again. --Jakku Ari 19:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[GenderBloc]] 

message: His publications include
*Bridge, N.C (1982). Baron of Harwich. Report of an inquiry by the Right Honourable Lord Bridge of Harwich into the appointment as The Queen's Police Officer, and the activities of, Commander Trestrail; to determine whether security was breached or put at risk, and advise whether in consequence any change in security arrangements is necessary or desirable. HC59 (November). London: HMSO.
::And this has what to do with us? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 09:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He might be of interest to us if he were gay, but he's not. No tags, cats, and this in his personal life: "Bridge has been married to Margaret Swinbank, daughter of Leonard Heseltine Swinbank, since 1944; they have three children, two daughters and one son." Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I believe Commander Trestrail would be so tagged; lol I'd better put it on my To Do listAatomic1 10:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done some research and, for the benefit of everyone else, what this user is talking about is that Lord Bridge wrote a report on some guy named Trestrail who was revealed to be picking up rent boys. "Findings of investigation conducted into the security implications of the disclosure by a male prostitute that the former Queen's Police Officer, Commander Trestrail, was homosexual. Trestrail was forced to resign as a result of this revelation. ... However, also argues both that the "double life" Trestrail was forced to lead and which exposed him to the risk of blackmail, and the fact that he resorted to prostitutes, made him an unacceptable Queen's Police Officer." . Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nigel Bridge, Baron Bridge of Harwich]] 

message: It's late and I'm not feeling very civil and mentory-ish. Could someone sort this out and see if the asexual cabal is on the loose? thank you Benjiboi 11:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you Dev! Benjiboi 22:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. The asexual cabal: "we're not coming for your children". :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ROFL Dev--Textorus 23:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding asexual to make GLBTA on [[Gay bashing]] article 

message: REMOVED BY POSTER SINCE IT WAS OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!! Avazina 00:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop posting these videos and your reply to them. While that video may well be downright stupid (personally I laughed at the bit where the guy said he loved gays but then compared them to murderers and the part where they claimed that all gays worship the devil. Btw, does anyone look more stereotypically dykey than that woman?), this is a talkpage for our efforts to improve Wikipedia, not a general chat board. Getting offtopic sometimes is okay, but if you want to make a running commentary on stuff you've seen around the Internet, start a blog. Don't post it here. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:46, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Excuse me for offending you.  I certainly won't do that any more. Avazina 00:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Avazina, I don't think it was terribly offensive just off-topic enough as to be seen as not helping this project improve articles. YouTube has an endless supply of homophobic videos but YouTube is not a great resource for helping WP articles. Benjiboi 00:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not offensive, just not relevant. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 00:25, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  COMING OUT OF HOMOSEXUALITY: Fact or Fiction 

message: I was thinking I could perhaps take a picture of the latest Têtu issue with my webcam. However, is that fair use?Zigzig20s 14:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I believe. It's akin to a screenshot. Make sure you use a fair use rationale though. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 14:47, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will do it as soon as I know - for sure - which licence to choose from. There are lots.Zigzig20s 15:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Magazine cover - and if you could scan rather than photograph it that would be better. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:32, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have a scanner. It will probably look a tad rubbish. But better than nothing, don't you think?Zigzig20s 15:56, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems to be doable - see :Image:A919x300.jpeg.  The license to use is . -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 16:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well basically when I'm there , which licence do I pick?Zigzig20s 16:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The magazine cover one. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 09:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but you're not really answering my question. There is no mention of 'magazine cover' in the list on that page.Zigzig20s 11:02, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: That's because you're trying to upload a fair use image to the Commons which doesn't allow them and unsurprisingly doesn't therefore have fair use licences. Use the upload file button that is to the left of your screen in the box marked "toolbox", and you will find the licence I am talking about. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 11:06, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, actually, it would look really bad. Turns out taking pictures of Camargue red rice with a cam is fine, but that's that. Oh well...Zigzig20s 13:54, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you tried looking on the internet for a picture of a cover? If you downloaded then uploaded that it would still be fair use, you'd  use the same licence. Don't know if there are any out there though... --Belovedfreak 14:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a picture here:  Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:08, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit iffy about the copyright thing.Zigzig20s 12:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Têtu]] picture