Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics/Archive 2

message: I've noticed, that Wallie just created the category Category:Multiple Olympic gold medalists. While I think, it's a very good idea to have something like that, I have doubts, whether it's current name is appropriate. May be a better choice would be "Two-time Olympic champions", "Three-time Olympic champions", etc.? What do you think, folks? Cmapm 16:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories for multiple Olympic gold medalists

message: Many articles about Country X at the 2006 Winter Paralympics are outdated with regards to medal tallies - for example, Austria at the 2006 Winter Paralympics gives a medal tally of 2 gold, 2 silver and 4 bronze, whereas the main article 2006 Winter Paralympics gives 3, 4 and 7 respectively. Just something for anyone with a spare hour or two. Andjam 04:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2006 Winter Paralympics 

message: I have recently restructured this page in hopes for it to become a featured article. Currently, I'm trying to get pictures onto the page, but in the meantime, some minor work may need to be done to the page before a nomination can go in for FA. I suggest to anyone that wants to help to please look at the talk page and edit history, where you can find more info. Thanks for your help! → J@red  18:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Winter Olympic Games]] needs your help! 

message: Summer Olympic Games has been nominated for removal from featured article status.  Discussion on removal is at Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Summer Olympic Games.  Let's fix it up, shall we? -- Jonel | Speak 00:35, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I was just recently tring to get The Winter Games up to featured status, and I, too, noticed that the Summer page was falling into dismay. I think that with a little time, it can be fixed up. → J@red  19:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summer Olympic Games FARC 

message: This template has recently had it's 5 ring image removed on "fair use" and outside of main namespace grounds. Anyone any idea what we could use instead. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've edited the UBX, using the three gold, silver, bronze images and editing the background colors. Feel free to edit my work, but I think what I did looks pretty good. → J@red  19:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{t1|user WikiProject Olympics}}

message: Hi, Rugby union at the Summer Olympics is on peer review. I recently rewrote it, I thought I would leave this message, as I'm not sure if the tables/linking and use of the word Olympics/presentation etc etc is done correctly. Any suggestions would be great. See (Wikipedia:Peer review#Rugby union at the Summer Olympics) Cvene64 09:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article on peer review - Rugby

message: Over WikiProject Badminton we are curious about how sports WikiProjects interact with this project. Any experiences would be useful.--Commander Keane 09:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. If you want to know how other sports WikiProjects communicate with the Olympics project, then I'm not too sure. I think mostly, unless members of this project are members of other projects, we stay to ourselves unless we need the help from others, in which case, we would just use the talk page. I hope that helps. → J@red  19:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject Badminton 

message: I noticed there's no article for U.S. Olympic Festival or Olympic Festival. I don't know if this was just a U.S. thing or international, nor if these are the "official" titles for these events. If an article exists in some form, could you please tell me? Thanks. --Fang Aili  talk 21:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. Olympic Festival 

message: The text in this section has been debated over the past few weeks. The people there have finally created a working section, and are voting on it now. They plan to create a sub page further detailing potential boycotts of those games, however. On this WikiProject, there is nothing set out to create a subpage for boycotts of the games, and it seems unneeded anyway. It is quite minor, though. Please voice your opinions on the page by voting in the straw poll or writing comments. Thanks. → J@red  19:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that these boycotts are significant enough to require a separate page a la American-led boycott of the 1980 Summer Olympics, but if there is enough verifiable relevant information (and no doubt more such information will appear in the next 2 years) that the boycott section would become too large to be included in the 2008 Summer Olympics page, a separate page would be appropriate. -- Jonel | Speak 19:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:2008_Summer_Olympics#Vote_-_Proposed_text_for_the_boycott_section|Re: ''Boycott'' section]] of [[2008 Summer Olympics]] 

message: So the Olympic Logos (:Image:Olympic rings.svg & :Image:Olympic-rings.png), are Fair Use images.  As such, we're not allowed at Wikipedia to include them on any templates, such as userboxes, stubs, etc. (See Fair Use Policy - #9), and our use of them is generally very restricted.  What I'd like to do is replace these logos with a free image that we can include on templates, etc.  I haven't been able to find any yet, but I think that the most appropriate thing would be an crown of olive leaves.  Does anyone know where I might find such an image?  tiZom(2¢) 21:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair Use Images 

message: Hi there, User:Sgoldblatt, a 200m freestyle swimmer for the US in 2000 and 2004 with gold and silver in the 4x200m free relay has joined us.Blnguyen | rant-line 00:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And he has started his own biography - Scott Goldblatt.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Blnguyen, I don't know if you want to contact him about writing his own biography on the site. It's somewhat taboo. Also, parts of his writing style are uncyclopaedic. I think it's great that he's become a wikipedian. Sue Anne 04:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would like someone else to if they could, because when I first saw his username I welcomed him and asked him to declare if he was Scott Goldblatt, which he did so by creating his userpage and his article. I have put the "notable wikipedian" template on Talk:Scott Goldblatt so that people are aware however. I was in a similar situation when I went to Jade Edmistone's website and forum in order to try and recruit more writers. Her brother, who was the webmaster, User:AussieLakerFan then made some rather POV additions to Jade Edmistone which User:Attilios eventually cleaned up. Blnguyen | rant-line 04:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Scott Goldblatt contains some impressive use of somewhat esoteric templates for a new contributor.  Now, just need to work on the NPOV...  -- Jonel | Speak 04:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Goldblatt, Olympic gold medallist edits WP 

message: Will this article have [detailed] subarticles on each bids, as with 2012 Summer Olympics bids? Juast asking. Circeus 16:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that if someone finds enough information to make separate pages, then, yes, they should eventually be made; probably sometime after the bid is announced. As of now, though, there isn't enough information period, let alone on the page, to make separate articles. → JARED (t)  16:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[2014 Winter Olympics bids]] 

message: This article about an olympic medalist is missing its medalist box. Could someone slap one on there? I don't know how. :( Aelfthrytha 03:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 'Tis done.  The box is fairly simple after you learn how it's done (though certainly looks intimidating at first glance); if you'd like to learn, you can check out Template talk:MedalTop (especially the example) or leave a message on my talk page and I'd be glad to help you with it. -- Jonel | Speak 03:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Khashbaatar Tsagaanbaatar]] 

message: This stub type is getting very large, and I've proposed that it be split.  If anyone has any comments to make in support, opposition, ammendment or addition, please feel free.  Or if you'd like to help split them up...  Alai 23:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree completely.  How far are you thinking about splitting it?  tiZom(2¢) 13:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would think having things like "Olympic Athlete stubs", "Olympic Games stubs", etc. because right there, it would probably split it in two, but I havn't really looked at the page so this is just a blind suggestion. → JARED (t)  18:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|Olympic-stub}} split 

message: I have noticed on many of the Olympic game pages that the order of countries (participants) changes.  In one particular game, Greece is first and then is alphabetical, and then the host is last [1].  In other editions I have seen it purely alphabetical [2], while still other editions have the list as how the countries enter the stadium for the opening ceremonies [3].    The games in Turin, for example, had the countries enter the stadium in alphabetical order but used the Italian language to spell the countries' names (the order for countries on the [2006 Winter Olympics] page does not reflect this, but actually took place).  I don't like this practice, since it depends too much on how other countries spell each other names.  Since this is an English version of wikipedia and in the spirit of consistency, I propose that all pages be purely alphabetical (English) without regard to how the countries entered the stadium. Perakhantu 17:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First, yes, it is according to the IOC that Greece enters first (having to do with the origins of the Olympics), followed by the Nations in Alphabetical order of the host country's latin-based alphaber, followed by the host country. I believe that it is alphabetical because it gives a sense of diversity throughout the world; that scores of diverse nations come together under one idea of Olympic unity. I we tried to make each host country use Spanish Alphabetical order, we would be forcing them to use something that is, well, foreign to them. That said, I'm not sure what you are proposing. Where on WP do you find these lists of nations in the order you say they're in? → JARED (t)  18:47, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah, sorry.  I was editing my own post at the time that you posted yours.  I put up a few links as examples.  I'm not really good at expressing my proposal the first time, so I'll try to clear it up.  I'm not forcing a way of thinking on other people at all.  I just want the pages to look consistent.  If the German version of wikipedia wants to list the countries in THEIR alphabetical order, go ahead.  I was just thinking that since this is an English version of Wikipedia, I propose having all the Olympic pages reflect that.  I agree with you on diversity and bringing nations together, but to the casual reader, they will probably find it odd that the order of nations keep changing around. Perakhantu 19:00, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  For the examples you gave, I agree with you 100% that the list should be in pure English alphabetical order (see here for a more current example). What I thought you were refering to initially were actual lists on Wikipedia showing the parade of nations order (as shown here), where Host alph order would be the only way to go. I think that that would be great if you could fix all of these "Participating NOCs" lists to reflect pure english alph order, using 2006 Winter Olympics as a guide. Thanks. → JARED (t)  19:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Will do! Perakhantu 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Participant order

message: Olympic Flame is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 23:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Olympic Flame]]

message: Did you know that for a bunch of winter olympics (e.g. 1952, 1956), all links to countries points to the 2002 winter olympics instead? Also the map in 1952 is actually the 2002 map. I will fix this particular case, but there may be many more. Please consider checking all olympics articles. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 11:10, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Olympics years (links, etc)

message: Two Olympic-related deletion discussions, if anyone wants to comment.
* Template:2000 Summer Olympics medal count
* Axel Andersson
-- Jonel | Speak 23:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion discussions

message: Art competitions at the Olympic Games is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.  Sandy 19:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Art competitions at the Olympic Games]]

message: *In my wikignoming, I had a question about  and its subcategory .  My first reaction was to move any people out of Competitors and into Atheletes (which looks like it was setup if they didn't fall into one of the other subcats, Rowers, Gymnasts, etc).  So I figured I'd pop in here and see if there was a concensus about the preferred method.  Thx. — MrDolomite | Talk 01:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There should, in the end, be no actual articles in the Competitors category.  Each competitor should be categorized by sport - those who competed in gymnastics should be in the Gymnasts at... category, those who competed in swimming should be in the Swimmers at... category, and so on.  The Athletes at... category is for those who competed in the sport called athletics (see Athletics at the 1912 Summer Olympics) or what Americans call track & field.  The four in the category at the moment would go in :Category:Footballers at the 1912 Summer Olympics (Anderson and the two Nielsens) and :Category:Modern pentathletes at the 1912 Summer Olympics (Patton).   -- Jonel | Speak 03:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat Question 

message: I'm inclined towards the latter, but I just wanted to make sure that this was the general consensus as I've seen the former in a few places. --Bedders 09:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own query, I'm going with modern pentathlon, as the trend seems to be all lower case with other sports --Bedders 13:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Bedders, I definitely agree that it should be modern pentathlon. --Sue Anne 21:55, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Pentathlon vs Modern pentathlon 

message: Should templates be placed in :Category:Olympics templates and not its parents: :Category:Sports navigational boxes and :Category:Sports templates?  Personally I think that the latter two categories can be merged, but can we start with this at least? Dafoeberezin3494 21:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template categorization 

message: The Wilma Rudolph article is lacking and I was thoroughly disapointed with it as it did not do her service.  I do not know much about her and I was hoping someone could focus on it.  Much obliged.--207.230.48.73 01:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilma Rudolph 

message: I think this has been discussed before, but I don't think anything was resolved.  Anyway, I have noticed that there have been event templates added to the bottom of various pages that already list the events.  Example: Swimming at the 2004 Summer Olympics.  You'll notice that the events are already linked inside the medal summary boxes but, at the bottom of the page there is an event template.  Isn't it redundant to have a template that lists the events on a page that already lists the events?  I propose just deleting those particular templates from the main sports page from each edition of the Olympic games.  Other examples are: Swimming at the 1992 Summer Olympics and Athletics at the 1964 Summer Olympics.
:Truthfully, I don't think it matters. It just is there to provide extra navigation, so it really doesn't matter. → JARED (t)  19:27, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  ok, well, I guess I'll start deleting them then.  If someone starts screaming either here or at my own page, then I'll know I'm doing something wrong. heh.  Perakhantu 19:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:BOLD is always the best policy!  Go for it.  Andrwsc 20:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Templates

message: There are discrepancies between the list of Olympic Committees under National Olympic Committee and the list in the :Category:National Olympic committees category.  I suggest that the former is redundant, since all NOCs should be included in the category listing.  Furthermore, both lists are far from complete - many more nations are listed in the categories :Category:Nations at the Summer Olympics and :Category:Nations at the Winter Olympics.  Cleanup is needed.Rodparkes 08:04, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists of Olympic Nations - discrepancies and omissions

message: Hello all. There is currently a discussion about adding the country of competition to the medal tables on biography pages at Template talk:MedalTop#Competitor country, and I would be grateful for further comments on the discussion. Thanks, mattbr30 14:38, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Competitor country information 

message: I have noticed some pages where there has been an attempt to list all the countries that have competeted in certain Olympic sports.  Example: Swimming at the Summer Olympics.  Scrolling down, you'll notice that a table has been started to create such a list.  I do NOT think this a good idea.  This table would be excessively long, and I fail to see how it would add benefit to the page.  I propose that ONLY for sports that inherently team oriented such as Ice hockey at the Winter Olympics or Baseball at the Summer Olympics should such tables exist.  Andrwsc has created certain tables where one can see how each team did over the years and the medals won.  I think this is an excellent table but for teams only. Perakhantu 06:02, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree.  I think a "Participating nations" section on the overall "Sport at the Olympics" page only makes sense for team sports (as I have done for Ice hockey at the Olympic Games).  I think the page for a specific Games could have a participating nations section for most sports.  I would prefer to see the number of competitors for each nation in each table cell, rather than just an "X".  But back to your point, sports like swimming or especially athletics have attracted at least one competitor from almost every country, so those tables will be pushing 200 rows long on the overall "Sport at the Olympics" page!  That's a lot of data for the reader to wade through.  Andrwsc 06:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nations competing in sports 

message: A question: how much information should be on a "Country at the year Olympics" page for it not to be considered a stub anymore?  I see four levels of completion:
# page just shows that the nation participated, showing medal counts, but not much else
# as above, but also shows the list of medalists
# as above, plus the "Results by event" section is partially completed
# the results section is complete
Obviously #4 is not a stub.  I would argue that #2 and #3 should also be removed from stub states (i.e.  or  is removed from the page).  Certainly the page is incomplete, but is it really a stub?  I would prefer to put  in the partially complete "Results by event" section instead.  I propose that we use the stub status for level #1 only.  Comments?  Andrwsc 06:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is an Olympic stub?

message: There doesn't seem to be a lot of activity here lately, but I'll ask a new question anyway.  Does anybody have a good source for the status of Germany at the 1952 Games (both summer & winter)?  On the IOC website, they use "EUA" for 1956-1964 (as expected), and both "FRG" and "GDR" for 1968-1988 (as expected), and then a combined "GER" again for 1992-current (as expected).  However, 1952 is strange.  For the summer Games, the IOC website uses "GER".  On our page at 1952 Summer Olympics, we call it "West Germany" and use "FRG" in the medal count.  The official report for Helsinki just calls the nation Germany (and of course, country codes were not used at that time).  What should we use?  FRG, or GER?
For the 1952 Winter Olympics, it's even wierder.  The IOC site shows two bobsleigh medals for "FRG" and five other medals (Mirl Buchner and Ossi Reichert in alpine skiing, and Ria & Paul Falk in figure skating) for "GER"!!  I cannot tell why that is not a single total of 7 medals. Also, we claim that both FRG and GDR competed independently at those Games.  The official report shows a single Germany (Tyskland), mentions a "German Olympic Committee" (singular), etc.  I'm inclined to think that was just a West German team, but I think we need a reference that shows East Germany competed.  Any help on both these Games would be greatly appreciated.  Andrwsc 19:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Germany in 1952

message: I'm likely to help in Olympic sports, but somehow i'm confuse whether can use other WikiProject template like  to edit the match score in this Olympic sports, and somehow this project, isi't it cover the report of qualification round also? Can someone give me the answer? --Aleenf1 06:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Lottie Dod is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality.  Sandy (Talk) 16:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Lottie Dod]]