Talk:WWE Championship/Archive 1

message: I've been checking the title history for the WWE title and noticed you guys never posted "The Nature Boy" as a championship holder, even when he is a legend for most title reigns, and followed closely by triple H, I know the methods for winning his titles are not the best liked by the fans but hey, as Tazz used to say: "If you're not cheating, you're not trying" please update the list also due to John Cena's last tittle defense has been in past weeks against Kenny, regards to all of us fans of a great sport.
Fierce Lonewolf May 2006
The reason for this is that Ric Flair only won the WWF/E title twice. The reason he is a 16 time champ is beacuse he won the NWA championship several times.
Rhys Thomas, August 2006.
Guys it explains it all here  TonyO13 20:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ric Flair

message: I personally know that Andre the Giant was indeed 7 feet 4 inches tall. I met him 25 years ago in Madison Square Garden in NYC. I stand 6 feet 4 inches tall, and I do not see a 6 inch difference between us; just twice as much. [User: Barry Burns]
:Dave Meltzer has said on numerous occasions that Andre was 6'10" (). The WWF used a lot of techniques to exaggerate his height, though. McPhail 17:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: Andre the Giant was actually the tallest wrestler ever as measured at 7'2 and around 450lbs to 530lbs. Big Show is standing at a peak of 7'1 and 478lbs.
::Paul "Big Show" Wight is taller than Andre - while Andre was billed at various heights during his career (anywhere from 7'2" to 7'5"), he was actually only 6'10". - Chadbryant 21:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I seem to recall a guy known as El Egante that was mentioned as being 7'6"+. I can't seem to find any decent references to him though.  I've just discovered he's also known as Giant Gonzalez:  & didn't last too long... Surely, El Egante's the tallest? --Barthax 18:40, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Gonzales is probably the tallest person ever to have worked for WWE. There was also a member of the Oddities who was taller than either Big Show or Andre. However, Big Show is the tallest wrestler to have held the WWE Championship, Andre's height was generally exaggerated, and he was filmed in such a manner as to emphasis his height. McPhail 19:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TALLEST WRESTLER IN THE HISTORY OF WWE & WWF 

message: Andre the Giant had a desiese in which he grew for his entire life, so yes as the beginning of his carear he was signifacantally shorter than at the end, this is why the Big Show is known as the tallest athelete ever because that is his hight without and desiese.
:Look at Andre's and TBSs page for answers.{Halbared 21:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NO, big show HAD the same DISEASE as Andre!!! --T00C00L 13:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TBS did have surgery tho that fixed his pituary gland problem at an early age, and so his body did stop growing.(Halbared 14:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Andre The Giant 

message: Hi to all concerned,	 
I am a user from the GameFAQS Pro Wrestling Board. Robbienewt was a user on this board from 2004-2005. He was often the target of many jokes and was forced to leave the board due to him being almost universally hated - most of the board, myself included, found him to be a hugely irrtating jumped up little chav. It's no surprise to me that the bitter little ponce has decided to come and vandalise Wikipedia.	 
	 	 
:Oh, please, tell us why. --Vyran 05:31, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  robbienewt HAHA 

message: I added in that the WWE championship is also known as the WWE championship of the World, because WWE often refer to it as one it's two "World's" championships on it's website and on television. Vince McMahon just recently on "Wwe Monday night Raw" stated "I'm not gonna have two World Heavyweight champions beat the....." when referring to Angle's challenge to Edge to unify both World's championship right there and then. I put it as "WWE championship of the World" as to not cause confusion with the SmackDown! Brands World Heavyweight championship.
Thanks.
*note - RAWS Belt is referred to as the 'WWE Heavyweight Championship' and Smackdowns as the 'World Heavyweight Championship'. this is logical as the WWE HW title started on smackdown, and the World belt on RAW; and fits in with the policy of RAWs belts being prefixed with 'World' and smackdowns with 'WWE'
Now that it's switched, why are the Tag Titles not switched, at least by name?? I know no one is going to have an answer for this, but doesn't it just make sense, since the Raw Tag belts are the older of the two with the lineage of the original WWE Tag Titles?? When the Dudley’s unified the WWE and WCW Tag Titles, they basically abandoned the WCW Tag Titles. Logically, shouldn’t the Smackdown Tag Titles take the “World” name and carry the linage of WCW’s Tag Titles. That’s how the US and Cruiserweight Titles are.--Prince Patrick 00:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World's title 

message: Has this belt become the official WWE Championship belt now that someone other than John Cena has held it? Web kai2000  1 February 2006 
:I'd say no. The use of it during Edge's short run as champ is most likely because his run as champ was a last-minute decision, and the company didn't feel the need to switch back to the standard belt, only to have Cena regain the title a few weeks later and change the belt again. 
:If Cena drops the belt at WrestleMania 22, that will probably be the last you see of the "bling belt". - Chadbryant 20:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Cena's customised belt 

message: Was the 1992 Royal Rumble really a transitive match considering the title was vacant?  Also didnt the Iron Man match at WrestleMania XII last longer than 62 minutes?
:I couldn't think of a succinct term meaning "match in which the title changed hands". According to Solie's title histories, the '92 Rumble lasted longer than any of the iron man matches in which the belt was won. McPhail 19:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transitive match? 

message: I think that Cena's version of the title should be picture at the top of the page until he loses it. My reasoning is that it is the current version being used, and thus the one that would be associated with the phrase "WWE Championship" among the general public presently. Additionally, the "bling-bling" version has been in use since Cena debuted it in April 2005, so its been legitimately around for awhile now. 
If he drops the strap to Triple H at Wrestlemania 22, I see the "Undisputed style" version coming back, so if and when that happens, it can go back to the top. 
Also, we should try to locate a picture of the two "WWF Attitude" versions of this belt, as they are noticably absent from the page. The first was introduced the night after Austin's Wrestlemania XIV win (blue strap, classic WWF logo) and lasted until July 1998 when he introduced the smoking skull belt. The second was in use from November 1998 until April 2002 (black strap, Attitude WWF/E Logo) with breaks in use for Austin's pre-heel turn reigns.Mattbwn
Are their any pics of the belt prior to the 1988 version?Basbalfrk 22:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking, and have found bad quality pictures. The one that is the most easy of the pre 1988 WWF Belt is the one with Hogan posing in a steel cage for a promo of WrestleMania 2. SFrank85 02:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belt at Top of Page and other pictures 

message: This might be a minor point, but the image of the Smoking Skull belt currently being used in this article is inaccurate to how the belt actually appeared; the belt shown is actually a replica with the WWF logo replaced with the WWE logo (and the "Attitude" logo removed from the sides).  If somebody could find a high-quality picture of the actual WWF Attitude belt, that would be great (though in lieu of that, the current picture will probably suffice). Jeff Silvers 02:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Attittude era belt is a replica with the new logo on it too. WWE seams to be doing that to all of the replica belts. I've even seen pictures of the Winged Eagle belt with the WWE Legend logo on it. (The one that is the old WWF logo without the 'F' part on it.) I've been looking and it's hard to find pictures with the original WWF logo on it. Even back then when it was the current logo, it was hard to find those pictures. I'm not sure if anybody can find it. SilentRage 23:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The judgement against WWE gained by the World Wildlife Fund precludes WWE using the Attitude-era "scratch" logo in any fashion for merchandise or promotion. Hence, any pics of belt replicas are going to substitute the later logo (the "scratch" logo sans "F"). The "Word Life" logo from a few years ago is now being used in some cases to replace the "classic" WWF logo. - Chadbryant 05:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More accurate Smoking Skull belt? 

message: I remember seeing pictures of Hulk Hogan with a round belt that looked like it was green. I believe there is a picture of him kissing it on his WWE HoF page. Can I suggest that somebody add a picture of that belt and any previous belt designs to the Belt Design section of this article? SilentRage 23:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pre-1986 Belt design. 

message: Anyone know when the two names were used? I don't recall the World Heavyweight bit used in the late 90s.
* The WWE Championship, as currently defended on RAW; Is officially recognised as the WWE Heavyweight Championship. From 1963 until the 1997 Wrestlemania, the belt was referred to as the 'WWF World Heavyweight Championship', after which it became the 'World Wrestling Federation Championship'until may 4th 2002, when it was renamed the 'WWE Championship'
:*Actually, from 1971 to 1983 the title was only referred to as the WW(W)F Heavyweight Championship as they were members of the NWA during that time and recognized the NWA World title as their World Title.  The title had to following names at the following times:
::*World Wide Wrestling Federation World Heavyweight Title (April 1963-1971) 
::*World Wide Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Title (1971-March 1979) 
::*World Wrestling Federation Heavyweight Title (March 1979-1983) 
::*World Wrestling Federation World Heavyweight Title (1983-December 2001) 
::*World Wrestling Federation "Undisputed" World Heavyweight Title (December 2001-May 2002)
::*World Wrestling Entertainment "Undisputed" World Heavyweight Title (May 2002-August 2002)
::*World Wrestling Entertainment Title (August 2002-Present)  
:::Theophilus75 15:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWF World Heavyweight / WWF Championship 

message: Why does it say he is on this page, and multiple other pages? They say he won it at ONS2, but that hasn't even happened yet!
Cause people see some supposed "spoiler" on a dirt sheet site and want to accept it as how it will actually turn out.  Basbalfrk 22:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RVD is NOT the current WWE champion... 

message: rvd isnt yet officialy the WWE champion, its still indispute and you cant ignore the fact that it hasnt been officialy given to RVD yet. if this is a live encyolpedia i think these facts should be put in, WWE doesnt show RVD or Cena the champion.
:If RVD wasn't the champion, then why wouldn't Vince McMahon have said something on RAW about it? wwe.com also lists RVD as the current WWE Champion: http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship/ TJ Spyke 22:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  current champion 

message: I added this article to "Category:Extreme Championship Wrestling championships" due to the title's current exclusivity (is that a word?) to the ECW brand.  If (and when) the title is returned to RAW, this category should not be reverted, as de facto Wikipedia policy places titles in categories according to not only their current host promotion, but also former ones (see WWE United States Championship, which is in the categories for WWE, WCW, NWA, and Jim Crockett titles). Jeff Silvers 03:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Extreme Championship Wrestling championships 

message: WWE continues to use the customized belt, as when Edge won the belt it fit into his character of the Rated R Superstar, when Cena won the strap back it obviously didn't change, however when RVD won the title, he said he'd keep it because "it spins". When Edge won the title back again it fits into his character, so I'd say until a more "traditional" wrestler such as Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Randy Orton, Ric Flair etc. win the title it will remain the custom "bling-bling" championship.
Jackez Wednesday 12 Huly 2006
(By the way feel free the edit the comment, I'm still getting used to this)
:Actually, I'm guessing the reason Edge and Van Dam both kept the spinner belt was because management knew they would both probably be dropping the title back to Cena again soon.  Or it could just be that WWE intends on keeping the spinner belt.  While that doesn't seem too plausible, keep in mind that this belt has been used for over a year now—much longer than any recent champion-specific "novelty" belt. Jeff Silvers 13:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is WWE still using John Cena´s customized WWE Championship belt? 

message: Is currently listed as John Cena at c. 2 minutes but that hardly can be counted because he was Champion going into the Elimination Chamber match. The List of WWE Championship reigns by length page lists Yokozuna as the second shortest at 2 min, 37 secs. One of these should be changed and I'd lean towards the statistics on this page. What do you guys think? Mattlore 03:38, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THe addition was wrong; Cena did not win the title in the Chamber. The match itself was very short, but still considerably longer than Backlund / Diesel. McPhail 09:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ta, just wanted to post here before changing it myself. Mattlore 09:19, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Second shortest reign

message: Okay, so last night on RAW, Edge revealed his new belt. But the only thing that changed was the "spinner" part of the belt, and it changed to an Edge-specific detail. So why is it considered a whole new title belt? Shouldn't it be only noted with Billy Graham and Ultimate Warrior's redisigned title belts, as it's just a redisign of the spinner belt? Just curious. --72.74.19.240 23:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a new belt because it was chucked in the water and edge revieled a new one, he didnt pull off the spinner and stick on a new one. I know in reality it probabally is the same belt but it cant be proved. SKRIBUL 20:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quick question...is the photo of Edge's belt a photoshopped image? It's just that apart from the spinner detail, it is the exact same pic. Can we have no pic until we get an ACTUAL photo of the belt? --Andyroo316 20:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it's not Photoshopped but an ACTUAL authentic quality image probably won't be available until replicas are made available on WWEshop.com and that could take weeks. I say stick with this for now since it's of similar quality to the rest of the modern belt images on the article. Oh and No it's not the exact same image apart from the rest of the Gold Plates, by the way. The Plates and Strap are slightly lighter in tone. -- 3:16 20:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

text:  I knew someone was going to make that point, and I agree. However, I still don't feel comfortable recognizing it as a whole new championship belt when everything but the spinning logo is the same. Plus, I'm fairly certain that unlike Cena's spinner, other champions aren't going to use Edge's belt if they win the title, since Edge's is really specific to him and him alone. Whatever, though. It's your guys' call. --72.74.19.240 23:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, because HHH would have really used Cena's Spinner belt? No way he woulda - it's too 'Cena' and HHH has heavy rock music as his entrance, so it wouldn't suit him at all. We can't be sure lots of champs would have used Cena's spinner title, because the only other person to use it was Edge...for a whole three weeks *sarcastic smiley* --Andyroo316 23:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You forget, RVD had it too. As for HHH (and probably others), you're correct. The point I was trying to make is that other wrestlers would be much more likely to use Cena's spinner than Edge's, since Edge's is specific to him and him alone, while Cena's had just the WWE Logo instead. --71.162.82.170 17:43, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess...but Stone Cold's smoking skull belt was REALLY specific to him as well. Edge's is only the same as Austin's, so if Austin's counts, so should Edge's. --Andyroo316 19:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edge's Belt 

message: Is there not a picture of the custom Rock Brahma Bull belt anywhere? Even though it wasn't on TV it would be a nifty little link to put on the page, wouldn't it? Bdve 03:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Jakks Pacific released a toy replica of it. I'd check on eBay. -- bulletproof 3:16 04:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. I found one.  Go check it out. -- bulletproof 3:16 04:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brahma Bull

message: According to WWE.com, they're the same title. The Undisputed Championship is part of the WWE Championship lineage, so what's the purpose of having two seperate articles for the same championship? http://www.wwe.com/inside/titlehistory/wwechampionship/ Odin's Beard 02:18, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm guessing it's just to separate them - the Undisputed Title was a massive deal at the time as it unified the two most famous/prestigious ever North American World championships. It's kinda like having separate articles for each Wrestlemania as well as the main page - just to separate it up, so (1) there isn't a massive long page and (2) because they are each important on their own. --Andyroo316 19:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.(Halbared 01:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but then why not put all of the Wrestlemania's into the same article? This isn't a "it's the same championship" issue, it's simply to cut down each article's size so a reader doesn't have to trawl through so much. And actually, it wasn't a brief footnote anyway. If we were to include it in this page, we'd also have to stick it into the WCW World Heavyweight Championship page, which is pointless because then each time we change it on this page, we'd have to change it on the WCW belt page too - it's much easier just to have a link on both pages to the WWE Undisputed Championship page. It is actually a major point in wrestling championship history and should be noted. Plus the size of articles issue. --Andyroo316 00:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  If the title's lineage is directly (and officially) linked to the WWE Championship, then it should be contained within that article regardless of whether we consider it important or not.  Comparing it to the WCW World Heavyweight Championship is comparing apples to oranges:  the WCW title existed in a seperate promotion and had a lengthier and much more detailed history than the WWE Undisputed Championship, which didn't even last nine months.  It was perceived as notable at the time, but didn't pan out that way in the long-run.  And, taken into current context, I think it's best suited as a sub-section for the WWE Championship entry.  Deputy Marshall 23:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The Undisputed title is unique because a lot of title histories recognise the champion as carrying two belts at once, so not only was Hogan the last WWE champion but his Undisputed reign also counts as a WCW title reign, this page can help clarify that. Not only that but the list of champions is short and this page will help anyone who wants to know what happened once Jericho unified the titles, and how the World title was created, it will have to be duplicated on both the WWE championship and World championship pages, whereas as a seperate page it is more clear what happened. Darrenhusted 15:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Rock and Chris Jericho were both recognised as WCW champions prior to the merging of the titles and from what I understand Booker T's fifth reign was under WWF's ownership. It should be noted that the Undisputed title represented both belts and before they removed it WWEtitlehistories.com added a WCW reign to all who held the Undisputed title and I think they even listed Undertaker and Brock Lesnar as being one time WCW champions in their 2004 preview magazine. However I think the article is important and should be kept as a seperate article. Darrenhusted 16:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Not really. The WCW Championship has its own lineage history in the title history section on WWE.com. According to it, Chris Jericho was the last WCW Champion, winning it the night it was unified with the WWF Championship in order to make the "Undisputed" Championship. They're considered to be two seperate championships. Maybe the plan was for the WCW Championship's lineage to be unified with the WWE's at one time, but that's not the case any longer.Odin's Beard 22:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why are the WWE and WWE Undisputed Championships seperate?

message: I added Macho Man Randy Savage's name to the list of WWF/E Champions who have held the title for more than a year. He won it for the first time at WrestleMania IV on March 27, 1988 and lost it to Hulk Hogan on April 2, 1989. I also removed the (twice) statement from Bruno Sammartino's name. Didn't really seem relavant and since he's the only wrestler in WWE history to have two world title reigns to last more than a year, it should have it's own mention.Odin's Beard 00:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It say's calendar tho, and Savage's wasn't a calendar year.(Halbared 08:31, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you clarify?  I don't see how March 27th, 1988 to April 2nd, 1989 (371 days) isn't considered a calendar year.  Deputy Marshall 21:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time I heard, 12 months equaled a year. From March 27, 1988 to March 27, 1989 is approximately 1 year. I really don't want to turn this into some sort of debate where we start splitting hairs. Odin's Beard 23:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  Deputy Marshall 01:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: ok this is just an idea, so Smackdown holds the old WCW title with minor change in design, ECW has the ECW championship belt. SO the Belt on Raw should be the old Adittude edition belt, to reflect the old rivaly that they had in the past?
:Good thinking there. But I think the WWE looks at the Monday Night Wars way too much. --Raderick 11:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Raw, ECW and Smackdown belts

message: OK this page lists Randy Orton as the youngest person to hold the title, but Orton was never WWE Champion. Rather he was the WWE World Heavyweight Champion which is a seperate title currently defended on Smackdown!, NOT the belt Cena now has on RAW. Listing him as the youngest WWE Champion is thus not accurate and should be removed. 74.139.205.189 05:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Either way, he never held this specific belt, and this page is for the belt designated the WWE Championship. Make a page called WWE World Champion and then you can call him the youngest. -- Scorpion 01:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Randy Orton Youngest Champion?

message: I read that McMahon is rovoking the history books so that RVD is never considered the WWE Champion. get ready for some editing.
*Where? And who are you? This comment just seems a bit random. And learn to spell, revoking. Darrenhusted 18:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  RVD no longer champ