Talk:Stargate SG-1/Archive 1

message: It's worth to say, that they haven't used no deity currently being worshiped, so far, only the extinct religions have been exploited. I feel it as a safe way of political correctness - only living people (i.e. worshipers) can object (i.e. make problems). -- Bohusz, 2003-12-06
I guess that depends whether you consider Satan to be a worshipped deity. Sokar was a key villain for a time, remember. User:Xanzzibar
The hindu and chinese deities shown as Goa'uld are also still worshipped. Ausir
Also there is some cult that actually still follows the old nordic religion...
In any event, it seems there are few enough alien races that all of them could be mentioned. Gadmeer, Reetou, Foothold Aliens, Spirits, Entity, Energy Life forms of M4C-862, though I think only those aliens seen in more than one episode should be listed. So I suppose only the Reetou. And then refer to the lack of info on the Furling under the great races. Even though we all know they are like like Furbies and Zerglings crossed into one smart alien. Tatarize
Moved some of the stuff around, switched some of the information to other pages. Using the same disabig tag as Jaffa (Stargate-SG-1) I'll leave the main page alone for a while. Though the great human tech stuff from x-101 to BC-103 should perhaps be shifted into the Human Tech section.
My goal is to make the show pages at least half as good as Star Trek.Tatarize
Question: Why take off the period from "Dr."?
I don't know who asked this but the answer is that it's because the abbreviation ends with the same letter of the word that the abbreviation is for.
I strongly recommend the book Eats, Shoots & Leaves by Lynne Truss to every contributor to the wikipedia project.
Kenguest 03:18, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
::Yes, it really brings home the point that while there may be good reasons for some of the rules of punctuation and grammar, what is REALLY important is that we must do all we can to annoy pedants like Lynn Truss and her ilk. (Hey look, I used the word "ilk" incorrectly! With a bit of luck this will cause a few pedants to have heart attacks and die. This is a good thing.) --Bonalaw 09:00, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

message: This article has some wierd duplication of information problems.  I think something went wonky and copied the article on top of itself or something... -- EmperorBMA|話す 22:19, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odd duplication 

message: FACTUAL ERROR: The article says that jaffa incubate gould larva for 100 years, when in fact the incubation period for an individial gould in larval form is 7-8 years.
So, I'm going through, fixing typos, sprucing up grammar, and generally improving readability, and I have questions.  Quite a lot of them, actually.
From the first paragraph:
*"The show has undeniable popularity, in part because—unlike other sci-fi franchises such as Star Trek or Babylon 5 — it is set in the present day."
Is this really necessary, or even necessarily true?  The sentence is awkward, I don't know how to fix it, and it sounds an awfully lot like someone's opinion. Can anyone vouch for this as a motivation of a sizable portion of the fan base?
Moving to the summary:
*"The Stargate's very existence and all of its activities are operated as SCI-classified ("Sensitive Compartmented Information"), utilizing a covert top secret cover."
Obviously the fact that the whole thing is classified is significant, but does the official term matter?  Do they even mention it in the series? (Again, an awkward sentence. It'd be easiest to just take out the SCI bit, but of course I don't want to remove relevant information.)  And, is there some military significance to "covert top secret cover," because to me it just sounds redundant.
*Can anyone think of a reason why the second paragraph shouldn't be written "Led by Brigadier General Jack O'Neill..." with susquent changes?  I know it's hard to think of the Stargate Command without Hammond in charge, but the change is well-established at this point.  Since there's a spoiler warning, I can't think of any reason why the article shouldn't be completely up-to-date.
*The first line of the Summary section was originally this: "See Stargate for a more general summary of the universe this series is set within."  I'm keeping it here because I haven't figured out how it make it sound right, yet.
And... actually, that's as far as I got before getting distracted by another article.
The folks who've worked on this article have done great work, by the way.
-Salli 20:31, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In the US Government 'Top Secret' is a specific term covering information that would cause exceptionally grave damage to national security. See classified information for more detail. Also 'covert' is generally used for an operation that only those directly involved with have access to, usually something that very few at even highest levels know about. Not sure really if it would be better or worse if changed. KorbenDirewolf 21:27, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: That first questionable line can simply be like "Unlike several other popular sci-fi shows, such as Star Trek or Babylon 5, Stargate SG-1 is set in present day". That sounds less like opinion and doesn't say that it's the reason for popularity.
I also support saying that it's led by BGen O'Neill, but only if a mention of Hammond comes up at once - this is not a fansite, so we need not only the current, but also the former status. Solver 18:22, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

text: Higginson played Weir in the first episode of season eight, so, yes, she did play the same character on both SG-1 and Atlantis, even though she wasn't the only actress to play Weir. This fits the description, although I do agree it is confusing. Personally, I wouldn't mind if the trivia section was cut back a bit. Most of it is which actors have/have not been in how many season and which of the two series, which isn't terribly interesting. slab 03:22, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misc. questions for general edit 

message: I think that might be noteworthy to list all their guest stars.  Especially, when some of them come from other Scifi channel shows. -- AllyUnion (talk) 06:45, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And other well known Science Fiction shows.  You know, the only surprise that MacGyver fans would die to see is to have Dana Elcar show up on Stargate SG-1.  Even better, I wish they would cast Michael Des Barres as some minor Goa'uld. -- AllyUnion (talk) 07:00, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guest Stars 

message: Hi I was wondering if someone could please move the page "Time Dialation Device" to "Time Dilation Device" The link to the page is under Asgard technology. I created the page only to later realize that Dialation is really spelt Dilation. I tried moving the page but for some reason it wouldn't let me move it. (note that the link name to the page will have to be changed as well). Help in this matter would be much apreciated. 
--Lightamplification 02:19, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Help Editing" 

message: I was thinking about starting a WikiProject for Stargate, to better coordinate the writting efforts, organize and create standards (the templates for example). What do you think? -- Andromeda 20:42, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject

message: :It isn't necessary to make links to the same names over and over. I don't subscribe to the once-per-page standard, but once per section is ample.
:I summarized the crossover characters thusly:
::"Many other SG-1 characters have also appeared on the spin-off series Stargate Atlantis, and vice versa. They are portrayed by the same actors, with the exception of Dr. Elizabeth Weir, for which Torri Higginson replaced Jessica Steen for SG-1's Season 8, and Atlantis."
: The recasting, being the exception, is interesting, but the fact that [long list of characters] appear on both shows isn't.
:—wwoods 17:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As another piece of trivia to pair with the "Characters who haven't died", would it be too much of a spoiler to list Daniel as the "character who has died or been assumed dead most often"? I can think of about 5 deaths, near-deaths and assumed deaths off the top of my head and I'm pretty sure there are more. 203.26.177.2 13:15, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Might not be true, though. How many times did O'Neill die while in Baal's custody? There were probably more than the ones we saw on-screen, I think this would be worth at least a qualifying footnote. Bryan 16:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stargate trivia 

message: When Jack say that sometinhg is 1 "Click" north of present location. what does he mean by "Click?"
:Klick is short for "kilometer". Also for "kilometers per hour", depending on context. Bryan 03:42, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Distance Terminology 

message: why is there a whole SECTION detailing the occurrences of antarctica? mind if i delete it? -- Alfakim --  talk  00:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: i still think that whatever happens to it it should be taken from this page? agreement?-- Alfakim --  talk  14:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Might be worth splitting the entire "trivia" section off considering how large the article has become as a whole. I'm not sure how well a Stargate SG-1 trivia article would survive AfD, but we could try it and see. Worst comes to worst we just put the material back in here and come up with some other idea. Bryan 20:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Took a different tack, moved a whole bunch of casting-related material over to List of Stargate SG-1 cast instead. That de-bulks the trivia section nicely, IMO. Bryan 06:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  antarctica??? 

message: FYI: If you say that as a Danish vowel, it sounds like "Star-goat". 
Is it? The show's logos include the Sun-over-pyramid glyph: "STARGTE", but does that count as a spelling?
:I'd say not, I'm removing that. Bryan 08:22, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Alfakim restored it again with the comment "no, it IS an alternate spelling - it IS spelled like that in many places (not just in the title sequence)". Color me still skeptical. Alfakim (or anyone else for that matter), could you give some examples of these other places where it's spelled like that? Bryan 06:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB has it on SG-1's page as an 'Also Known As' spelling: Stargåte SG-1 (USA) (alternative spelling) (They also have Atlantis as Stargåte: Atlåntis (USA) (alternative spelling)) I've never seen this usage elsewhere, though. slab 07:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have seen it used interchangably on SciFi Channel's webpage and upcoming highlight e-mails, it seems to be half-and-half by their usage. Chris 08:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I guess that's enough to mollify my skepticism. Still seems really weird using a "lowercase sun-over-pyramid", but I'm not the boss of the world yet... Bryan 09:14, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: lol. yes, i was thinking of IMDb, some 'official' pages like SciFi and also a lot of fanpages.--Alfakim-- talk 10:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "alternately spelled Stargåte" 

message: do we really need to repeat all this information here? doesnt the  template suffice? and isnt most of the information double-repeated also in the plot synopsis?
plan: condense "Show Summary", "Plot Summary" and "Stargate SG-1 Fic Univ" into one section called "Plot". this would shorten the page, make it less clumsy, make it easier to understand, and can have some quick links for further information.
agree? disagree? i'll wait for some feedback before acting. -- Alfakim --  talk  10:08, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At first glance that seems like that'll either remove too much useful information or it'll produce one really monster huge section on an overly general subject area. I disagree. I'll take another look at the matter when I get home later today, though, I don't have much time right now. Bryan 17:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure I'll be able to condense it all into something no bigger than the current "show summary" section. but obviously i'm not going to do the work unless there's agreement. obviously i'd miss out a lot of details, but like i said, the details are in the seperate articles, i disagree with having so much detail on this main blanket page. -- Alfakim --  talk  23:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I'm not fundamentally opposed to it, I split some information out into a sub-article myself a few days back. If you take a crack at it I promise to take a very careful look at the results before considering whether to revert any of it. My own current "project" as far as article-trimming is concerned is that silly theme song listing - it's actually something that DeLuise improvised on the fly in one of the director's commentaries on the DVD, I've been meaning to go look it up so I can present justification for removing it. :) Bryan 02:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol, why remove it? That's about the most interesting piece of trivia there! -- Alfakim --  talk  11:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because interesting though it may be, it's just the mad ramblings of the director during a portion of an episode where there was nothing else to talk about. This isn't something remotely official or noteworthy, even by my rather promiscuous standards. :) Bryan 03:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the sg-1 fictional universe" 

message: An anonymous editor has twice now changed the year listed for Vala Mal Doran in the "cast" section from 2005 to 2006. Doran's first appearance was in Prometheus Unbound, which was in 2005, so I keep changing it back. I suppose she didn't become a "regular" character until the next season afterward, but since there's nothing specificying that this is what the date means I don't see any reason to change it. Bryan 03:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cast section only lists regulars and as she was none in those season 8 and 9 episodes, it is correct to list her als "2006-"  SoWhy Talk 12:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dating cast members

message: Some of those links seem a little excessive - http://stargate.feartheblue.com/ ? Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Weird as it may seem to you, the more obsessive fans (and I'm not one) find sites like that one valuable; they use the images to create elaborate screensavers, slideshows, etc.  Chacun a son gout.  There's much more obsessive stuff linked in other pop culture articles. Monicasdude 19:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  WP:NOT a link repository. If the content of the site doesn't help the encyclopedia article explain things better (like the news sites, for instance, do) then it's not appropriate for the encyclopedia, regardless of how much various users want it. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:49, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, but even conceding that one as inappropriate, the others in the batch were clearly pertinent. When you run across vandalism, you don't ordinarily check everything out just in case the vandal took out something inappropriate as well. You bring back the baby even if there's still bathwater on it. Monicasdude 20:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Many of them were silly, to simple fan sites, or sites with "wallpapers" which you can easily find using Google or Yahoo. Ardenn 19:34, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: i'd like to do the following:
#Contract "Show Summary" and "Plot Summary" into just one "Plot Summary" section, abbreviating and leaving out the more specific details where necessary (this isn't meant to be more than a general page).
#Contract "The SG-1 fictional universe" into 3 sections: "Alien races", "Planets" and "Technology", so as to conform with the  template, and also to make the section more accessible.
#Put the above three sections under the "Plot Summary" rather than under the clunky heading "The SG-1 fictional universe".
I think these moves will improve the article in many ways. It's a tad long and a tad too detailed, and a newcomer would get quickly in over their head. This will also organise things better. May I go forward? -- Alfakim --  talk  03:04, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, why not. This article is getting rather long and contains lots of information. IMO, this article should be primarly used as a cover page, from where you can go to subarticles (that already exist in great numbers). So that's why I would not recommend it as a feature one, I'd prefer Stargate (device). --Tone 23:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Everyone else okay with this? -- Alfakim --  talk  10:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  can i make a major change? 

message: Should we add Fox to the US Broadcasters as the over the air syndicator?   I know this is not true for some markets, but the bulk of the syndicators are Fox O&O's if I am not mistaken.  EnsRedShirt 08:41, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcasters 

message: Regarding this phrase referring to the Tok'ra:
::"The Tok'ra are genetically identical to Goa'ulds, but they willingly share their bodies with their hosts"
Shouldn't that read to the effect of "Tok'ra hosts willingly share their bodies with their symbiote" ??  Kythri 04:16, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, although now that you mention it the sentence is wrong since Goa'uld have a genetic memory. I propose "The Tok'ra are the same species as the Goa'uld but Tok'ra hosts willingly share their bodies with their symbiote" Note also that plural of Goa'uld is Goa'uld (that is the standard yes?) JoshuaZ 04:23, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  well, in a way, the Tok'ra do willingly share the HOSTS body with the host, meaning that they let the host take over at time, as opposed to the goa'uld, who never let the host take over, even tho it is the host's body. and the plural thing, im not sure. in the quote above it should be Goa'ulds, like it is. or it could be "the Goa'uld" i dont know, maybe we should discuss that in another topic and have other peoples imput. -Xornok 05:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Discussion, and input from others is always good...  Kythri 08:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tok'ra

message: Where did you get this 205 episodes? Seasons 1 includes 21 episodes, seasons 2-7 22 episodes and season 8 and 9 20 episodes. That makes 193 episodes. You are probably right and I'm wrong but I just like to know. --85.157.116.93 11:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: that include episodes from season 10. the thing says "the show has # confirmed or aired episodes". and, technically, season 1 has 22 (101a and 101b), making it 194 plus the 11 confirmed so far for season 10. since sci-fi airs the seasons in halfs, it is not confirmed if their will be a second half, but there probably will be. -Xornok 14:12, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Amount of episodes

message: heres a bit of trivia someone could add- in several episodes the character jack makes references to his name change, such as "thats Oneill (bad spelling) with 2 Ls, theres another one" sorry for not being more helpfull
That's ok. That trivia item is already mentioned on the Jack O'neill page. Thanks for the suggestions. JoshuaZ 15:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia thing 

message: When season 10 will be aired? --86.126.36.159 11:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: sci fi announced that season 10 will start on July 14, i believe. -Xornok 12:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  thank you! --86.126.36.159 14:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 10