Talk:Troy Smith

message: Certainly Smith's NCAA suspension is a pertinent fact about his NCAA career.  It is not "vandalism".  Reverting edits along that line is an abuse of the vandalism tag.
:Smith's suspension was not dished out by the NCAA, but by Ohio State University.Rkevins82 04:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The vandalism I removed was not what you keep adding, it was something else entirely -- although it too was coincidentally removed in the revert. I would, however, have edited it out anyway on these grounds: A) it wasn't cited properly per Wikipedia's manual of style, and B) even if it had been, it doesn't serve any real purpose in the article. The article itself is not a comprehensive biography about Troy Smith and NO article on Wikipedia is intended to defame anyone. As far as your allegations of "criminality" are concerned, Troy's bad decisions were not prosecuted as criminal (they did not even draw not sanctions from the NCAA). He missed two games. It hardly warrants a mention, let alone a whole subsection. Before you start accusing people of abusing Wikpedia policy, perhaps you should re-read the Wikipedia policies on neutral points of view and controversial subject matter in articles. Ryecatcher773 05:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that the criminal conduct information I've written is acceptable.Rkevins82 05:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NCAA violations 

message: While it may be true that the scouts have rated him as too small to be a top pick, and while he very likely will fall past the first round in the 2007 draft, the aim of this article is to provide a biographical overview and perhaps a statistical report on Troy Smith, not to post opinions of the Mel Kipers of the world. Leave that stuff for ESPN, fan blogs, and online bulletin board communities. Ryecatcher773 01:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until it appears in a media guide, it shouldn't be considered an 'official' measurement. Right now, Ohio State has him listed as it appears on the article. When he is an NFL'er, then we can change it to whomever he plays for lists him as being. Ryecatcher773 04:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What is wrong with citing to the media account, which has been shared widely?  It is verifiable. Rkevins82 16:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Waiting for his combine measurements may be prudent.  However, media guides are hardly accurate measurements and it is well known that media guides will often exaggerate a players height and weight.  His height is worth mentioning because it is universally considered in his value in the upcoming draft. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thorvath (talk • contribs) 05:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Media guides are where the info is drawn for height and weight measurements. Accuracy is relevant only to a source. It's not as though they weigh each athlete every day and post it somewhere. Ryecatcher773 05:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, athletes are not measured everyday.  But players entering the NFL draft are meticulously measured and weighed at senior all-star games, pre-draft workouts, and the combine.  The players are measured because college media guides often exaggerate a players size and pro teams want to get an accurate measurement.  As stated previously, Troy Smith's height is a very determinative factor in where he is chosen in the NFL draft.  He has been measured at 6'0" once already at the Senior Bowl.  He will be measured again at the combine in Indianapolis.  To continue to ignore these measurements and leave 6'1" injures the overall credibility of the entire article.
I can appreciate what you are saying, however, besides that there are plenty of ball players who may or may not be listed accurately in their respective college media guide, there is still no guarantee that the NFL team which drafts those athletes will print the info accurately either. In fact, just a few weeks ago on a Chicago sports-radio show, former Bear "Mongo" Steve McMichael remarked on how much fudging on heights and weights in media guides has been a common practice (they were talking about Brian Urlacher's entry from a couple years back as an example). For whatever reason, it happens. The only real reason anyone is making noise about the case with Troy Smith is because everyone keeps talking about how his stature will affect his ability in the NFL. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Derek Anderson is listed at 6'6 in the Browns media guide, and he threw the heck out of the ball at Oregon State, but that hasn't (so far) made him as successful a passer in the NFL as he was in college. Whatever the case, until Smith's contract becomes the property of a pro team, his height ought to remain what the OSU media guide says it is. And, incidentally, I disagree with you wholeheartedly on your last sentence: the fact that the source is cited is exactly why the article's credibility does NOT suffer. Wikipeidia is not a source of authority -- it relies on sources... and like I pointed out, Sports Illustrated, ESPN, and Yahoo! Sports (to name a few) all list Troy Smith's size as it appears in the media guide.  Ryecatcher773 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not know why you guys are making a big deal of this.  But I looked up Troy Smith's height on ESPN and it is 6'0 not 6'1.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11150&draftyear=2007&action=login&appRedirect=http%3A%2F%2Finsider.espn.go.com%2Fnfldraft%2Fdraft%2Ftracker%2Fplayer%3Fid%3D11150%26draftyear%3D2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.149.100.21 (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

text: That's actually from the Draft Tracker (combine) subsection of the ESPN site. Here is the ESPN listing from the College Football section: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=133648
Ryecatcher773 19:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Listen, I dont know why you remain so obstinant as to Troy Smith's height.  I dont know if you have a crush on him or what.  You know and I know, and everyone else knows that he is 6'0".  It is just a matter of changing it now or later.  So you can continue this charade and continue to make yourself look silly, or you can change his height to reflect his accurate measurements.  I am not trying to offend you, I am just trying to understand where you are coming from.  I am from Cleveland and want to see Troy Smith do well.  I just want to make sure that his article is as accurate as possible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thorvath (talk • contribs) 03:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Speculation 

message: This section:
"However in the final game of his college career, his stats were terrible to say the least for a Heisman winner. He threw for only 35 yards and rushed for -29 in a 41-14 loss to the Florida Gators. After this game, Troy was ridiculed for being overrated, and that he couldn't stand a chance against better quarterbacks like Brady Quinn in the NFL."
This has zero relevance to him winning the Heisman Trophy.  I recall there was an article about the "Heisman Jinx," which could possibly be mentioned, as other Heisman winners have had bad bowl games after winning the award; but the above statement makes no mention of that.  Furthermore, where are the citations for these claims?  As most Heisman winners played poorly in their bowl games, the statement "his stats were terrible for a Heisman winner" holds no water.  I've heard a lot about that game, but I've NEVER heard any mention of terrible stats regarding Heisman winners, it's always the "Heisman Jinx."  So, I'm curious, where are the sources?  If none are found, I will omit the aforementioned quotation in question.  GregTheVirus 01:00, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heisman Trophy 

message: Pro Career section contains the following, "That's going to be a fun challenge for Troy, because now he's been around enough," Billick said. "The focus and attention that he brings to [preparing] is heightened."[15]
However the source article states, "A fun challenge for Troy," Billick said. "He has to be ready. This could be real. The focus and attention he has to bring to it is heightened." http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/11/13/ravens.mcnair.ap/index.html
The article takes what is needed to be done and presents it as if it is currently being done.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.173.219.204 (talk) 01:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inaccurate and misleading quotation 

message: I was wondering if anyone could update Troy's pro stats?Burner0718 (talk) 04:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro stats 

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thread_title:  Heisman Trophy succession box 

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message: With , Editor Discospinster .  Of those, the 'obviously' broken citation was this one because it is showing two  (it was this one that caught my attention because this article was listed in  and ).
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