Talk:Organization XIII/Archive 4

message: I was going to revise his section myself, but, unfortunately, unregistered and newly-registered users aren't allowed to edit this article. So, I ask someone who is skilled in writing to re-craft Axel's section, as it's a travesty in terms of grammar and flow. If no one does it by the time I am not considered "newly-registered," then I'll do it myself. Machinamar 15:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see anything wrong with it. What do you think needs to change? VI Zexion 23:48, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Axel's section needs revision

message: Roxas is IMHO, too important to the game not to have his own page. He should still be on Organization XIII's page, but also get his own, with more detail (perhaps such information as original fan speculation, but XIII's page have less in-depth info; just the basics).TruthTakesTime47
:No. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 07:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have gone over this before. The answer is no. There is simply not enough to say about him to warrant an article. Axem Titanium 17:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One could incorporate Roxas' story into Sora (Kingdom Hearts) if they really wanted to, though. We did the same for Xehanort. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 22:31, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I really should put a "THIS DISCUSSION IS OLD" tag to all of the sections, since a lot of people seem to lack the capability to look at the dates. ' 16:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Should Roxas get his own article?

message: This has been bugging me since forever, why is Roxas' Organization attire pic so bad? Can someone find a better pic with him wielding his weapons? (Leonhart9999 23:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to find this nonexistent render. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 18:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Better pic for Roxas?

message: It's listed as "Aeleus" on the page now (and the mistranslation "Eleus" is mentioned as well)... but, if I remember right, it was always listed as "Elaeus" before.  Which one's right? I know Elaeus sounds/looks a heck of a lot better, but Squeenix does have something of a history of choosing the shittier translation when there's two choices... 63.215.28.145 00:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Elaeus" was a fan Romanization of the katakana that adhered to the whole "anagram with 'X'" rule, but Aeleus works as well and is official.—ウルタプ 01:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where exactly in the official stuff is "Aeleus" used? Even after the Ultimania translations came out, the only name I ever saw anywhere was Elaeus.  I think I remember someone mentioning the European releases had it as "Alaeus," but that doesn't work either (2 A's and 1 E... supposed to be the other way around); so that's another mistranslation.  The only place I've ever seen Aeleus used is Wikipedia, and even here it was a pretty recent change (at least a couple months after Ultimania translations and English-language KH2 were available).  Just seems a little fishy to me; I'd like to see where the name was officially stated, that's all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.215.28.145 (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's in the PAL (Europe) release of Kingdom Hearts II. The Splendiferous Gegiford 01:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As a note, the original names are only from the Secret Ansem Reports, not the various Ultimania translations out there. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 02:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: But the name Elaeus seems to be closer to the japanese name, doesn't it? E-re-u-su, E-lae-u-s? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.211.254.142 (talk) 06:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be true, but the current spelling is taken from the game itself. Can't get any more official than that. Sticking to accuracy is rather important. - Zero1328 Talk? 10:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, under that direction, the name would be Eleus. Or, the original japanese, Elaeus. Only one version calls it Aeleus, while the other are closer to the original proposed spelling. Soooo....128.211.254.142 06:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...um, ever hear of retcon? Note that the names used in the PAL versions DO work as anagrams with an extra "X" while "Bleig", "Dilin" and "Eleus" certainly don't.—ウルタプ 06:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The "original Japanese" is エレウス, not "Elaeus". You're asking us to take your original research over something that's official. ' 13:28, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lexaeus' original name?

message: I've noticed that "Organization XIII" is listed under the list of 'Human-derived fictional species.' Shouldn't that be Nobodies? After all, there are more Nobodies than just the Organization (Namine is proof of that)... and the Organization is a group, not a species, unlike the Nobodies.
68.58.27.163 02:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is also the Nobody article, as there isn't a whole lot to say about the species. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 02:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You're not listening. There isn't a lot to say about them beyond "without heart, emotion, and dark/light alignment". ' 06:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Before declaring yourself more intelligent than me, I suggest you learn the workings of categories. But don't let that stop you from being cutely arrogant. ' 21:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Human-derived fictional species'

message: Why is there that tag in Larxene's page? The "She dies, accept it!"? BassxForte 00:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a vandalism countermeasure placed back when the game was just released. There was alot more vandalism back then. - Zero1328 Talk? 03:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Back then? I think ', Geg, Urutapu and I were all watching it. This is over a year ago, take note. All the hidden tags seemed to lower the amount of vandalism. There's still a bit of incorrect info/vandalism and such, but if you think we don't need it anymore, be bold and get rid of it. - Zero1328 Talk? 11:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because one of the pre-game adverts said that there was an Order member "we had seen before" and that it was "feminine". So people automatically assumed it was Larxene, despite that fact that the Order isn't the manliest bunch )exc. Lexaeus, of course).74.140.118.84 13:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Rgardless of what you think... we need an offical, reliable source that states her name before we can mention it in the article. BassxForte 21:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Larxene

message: Should it be mentioned that orginization members die difrrently in KHII then COM? BassxForte 00:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you mean the animation or whatever, then no, I don't think so. They probably decided to make it a lot fancier going from GBA to PS2, but they're both described by characters as "fading away."—ウルタプ 00:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While we're at it, let's note how they apparently don't have mouths. ' 19:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The sprites don't have mouths, unlike the polygon models, which have mouths. My point is that comparing the graphics of games from two entirely different systems is pointless. ' 21:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not really interested in further conversation with somebody who finds offense in everything. Stop taking everything so seriously. ' 22:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Diffrence in Death

message: I see that some of the members have been given their translated names in Japansese and some are not done. I have done some research and managed to find out some:
*Vexen = To freeze scholar Vexen (needs some sorting out).
*Demyx = Nocturne of Preparation/Investigation/Inspection Demyx Evilgidgit 12:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ones that aren't there are close enough to the English to not bother.—ウルタプ 13:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese names

message: Well, what I really mean is have had a request for it and it's gone through.
So basically, unless everyone can stop fighting and resolve on the matter of one item, sort of thing, then I guess, the protection will stay up. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 05:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What fighting? The kunai thing was just some vandal, and there's no edit warring over the Roxas battle. Are you seeing something I'm not? ' 06:30, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more or less about how everyone is always changing the article to add in useless information, then that is reverted back and it just keeps going back and fourth, I asked for it to be fully protected and stated some stuff there, and that's what's going on now really.  I was just really sick of seeing people changing it all and adding pointless and useless information into the article.  Basically, people don't seem to learn from anything in regards to the changing of the article and what to add and what not to add. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 06:41, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then revert it. Protecting pages is only supposed to be used in extreme situations. This isn't extreme, and I was planning to revise certain aspects of the article. Not only do you stop easily-revertible poor edits, you stop improvement. ' 06:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, well, whenever I check on the page, it seems to be already done.  And I also saw that you wouldn't mind having it Semi-Protected, that would actually seem like a better idea.  Sorry in regards to all this, I was just simply trying to see if I could resolve it with a protection to stop all the vandalisim. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 06:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I have protected this page...

message: The article states that the information is much to long, I'm simply trying to revise it by cuting useless information. Then, shortly after, not only are all my revisions changed, but I am warned. If I'm not supposed to revise this article by means of shortening it, then why is that tag there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qwdcvgyu (talk • contribs) 03:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're removing information and painting an inaccurate view of events, such a putting events out of order and adding some opinionated statements. I agree with your reasoning, but your edits aren't acceptable. ' 03:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Condensing the text is fine. ' 04:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Um, what? 40 kb vs. 42 kb. Are you sure you want to continue this thread of thought? ' 02:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What's going on?

message: The article mentions Saïx's weapon as being a claymore, yet I find little comparison, other than it is sword-shaped. Since the Berserkers' weapons are described as hammers, isn't that more fitting? After all, I can't recall any point in the story where it's mentioned as anything in particular, claymore, hammer, or anything else. It just seems more likely that he would wield the same weapon as his Nobodies. Give this consideration. --...Wikiwøw 20:09, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look in the first section of this talk page. ' 21:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, I already looked at it. It really gave no verification of the weapon as a claymore. In that case, it seems like original research to me. Isn't it best to say it's a hammer, or a "heavy, sword-like weapon", or something more accurate and verifiable than Claymore?.. --...Wikiwøw 23:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note the "Attributes, weapons, and Nobodies are taken from the Ultimania" in this section, and read Saïx's entry. There you go, it wasn't that difficult to find. Nemu 23:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

text: You see the big arrow images? Those indicate links. Click them. ' 01:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Claymore?

message: In the Japanese version, it seems pretty clear that the name was intended to be "Twilight Zone" (トワイライトゾーン towairaito zōn), an obvious referance to The Twilight Zone. Probably romanized it as Thorn to avoid possible legal actions. Since this article includes the alternate Japanese names for just about everything, it might be worth noting. WtW-Suzaku 10:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, I don't remember seeing a dakuten on that so, ingame... I could check myself, but my game save is gone and it would take a fair bit of time for me to get to the point where I can look myself. On the other hand, this sounds dangerously close to speculation... - Zero1328 Talk? 10:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have enough Japanese in the article, and Twilight Thorn isn't important enough to even put in context. ' 12:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Twilight Thorn

message: Do we really need the romanization of the japanese words as well? We already have the english translation - anyone who could understand the romanization should already be able to read the kanji and hiragana, so it just seems to be throwing in as much trivia as possible. Plus, I just don't like romaji, since it's not as well-ordered as regular japanese is.
Meh.
:I won't remove it until someone else agrees with me, since right now it looks like people actually spent time on it, even if it doesn't really belong.128.211.178.133 16:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Romanization

message: There is a bit of a flow problem, in my opinion, on parts of the article. Xemnas, Xigbar, and Xaldin all have their styles of battle listed at the ends of their biographies, as opposed to their actual fates. This just seems weird, at least to me. Does anyone else find something wrong with that flow? -- SFH 23:07, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it... at the very top of their section their identity and origins are presented, then we mention their personality, then we mention their weapons, then we state what they did in-game. BassxForte 03:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed that much of the information about the personalities for the Organization members has been removed and some members have no description of any personality (Xaldin, Marluxia). Could someone at least put in something about their personalities, as it makes the article look incomplete...in my opinion. Evilgidgit 08:10, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Battle styles at the end

message: There are alot of additions to this artical that are clearly vandalism.  Looking over the history, it seems that someone changed many sections in an unproductive and offensive manner.  I recommend that someone correct it as soon as possable. 204.57.77.29 00:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats what people have been doing... correcting vandalism as soon as it appears. BassxForte 07:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what I had seen looked like it had been there for a while, and I would have corrected it myself if I had the time.  Unfortunately I was at work. Therealsquee 19:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I see that Vexen's death description has been removed. I was wondering if it should be mentioned in the article, as his death is different. In CoM he is stabbed from behind and then slashed by Axel, but in the remake, he is struck from behind and then incinerated by flames. Should the changes and cause of death be mentioned? If not, then that's fine with me. Evilgidgit 08:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He is killed by Axel. How is irrelevant. And he wasn't hit by the chakram from behind in Re. ' 20:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vexen's death

message: Wouldn't it be much more appropriate to integrate what these scenes reveal than to keep it in a seperate paragraph?
Basically, if we applied the same method to the original game, it would be very segmented and hard to understand. So wouldn't it work better to merely have a sentence in the introductory paragraph of "Axel's role is to investigate and execute traitors." than to have a three-line long thing "In Final Mix+, Axel is ordered by Xemnas to execute Roxas."
Or even, to integrate the new scene's description into the storyline paragraph where it fits, so that the chronology of the scene is not as obscure?74.140.118.84 13:49, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Final Mix Scenes

message: Several of the games clearly show characters to be saying or doing things that don't make sense til later games, so why would this video count only as concept? I mean, did Nomura ever say it was just concept?
Surely they knew what they were doing when they put Riku and Mickey into cloaks for this video, but people still said that it was just a concept video and that they wouldn't actually be wearing the cloaks in later games. Is this where the "concept" idea came from, or is there an official source?
I mean, I for one realized they were going to be doing a Nobody of Sora once they revealed in Final Mix that the body and soul becomes its own thing when split, since Sora was split. And Final Mix was released fairly early.
So, I guess I'm rambling, but can we have a source for calling it a concept video?
74.140.118.84 15:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Roxas based on a concept character?

message: AT one point in KHII Axel states "I'm not getting turned into a dusk for...", should it be mentioned that someone in the orginization apperantly can control the forms of others, or should it be kept off the page, due to a lack of info? BassxForte 04:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Turned into a Dusk" is an invention of whoever translated that line into English, so I seriously doubt we'll see anyone actually get turned into a Dusk anytime soon.  There's a new scene in FM+, when Axel's being sent to kill Roxas, and what he actually says (when referring to how he'll be executed by Xemnas if he fails) is "[executed] using Dusks," not "turned into a Dusk."  Since Axel dies in a fight against hundreds of Dusks later on in the game, it's probably safe to say that the execution he was talking about was just being swarmed by a whole lot of Dusks at once, not being TURNED INTO one.63.215.28.145 02:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That makes absolutely no sense. Xemnas raises his hand and it glows, clearly to hit Axel with some kind of energy. "I'm not getting turned into a dusk for..." is from the original game. Thus, the context of "Using Dusk, eh..." in the new scene is exceedingly obvious. Those Dusks in Betwixt and Between weren't there to be used to execute Axel; there were attacking Sora before Axel jumped in to save the day. ' 06:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Form

message: Apperently, a nobody called a dragoon was ment to relate to the Final Fantasy class or job of the same name. That is also something to note in my findings.--Megamanfan3 14:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When wikipedia had an entire article about the final fantasy dragoon it did menton this nobody, last I checked though the classes are just a big list. BassxForte 23:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragoon reference

message: I know that the lesser nobodies commanded by the various Organization members are listed, but shouldn't they be given more explanation and detail, like some images and reaction commands? Blahmaster 02:16, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is oversaturated with images, and I'm not sure how Reaction Commands are anything but trivia. ' 09:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lesser Nobodies

message: Do we have any source for these two statements:
"He is the second youngest in the Organization, next to Roxas.
In the aftermath of Axel's death, Xemnas reveals that Axel's demise is the reason why Roxas resurfaced near the end."
They seem new, and I personally can't remember any part in the games that reveals this. If anyone could post a link to the scenes that show this, even just in the Talk page, that would be wonderful. Thanks!KrytenKoro 14:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ' 15:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources?

message: As far as I can see, several things in this paragraph need to be changed:
"Zexion, the "Cloaked Schemer" (『影歩む策士』ゼクシオン, "Kage Ayumu Sakushi" Zekushion?, lit. "'Shadow-walking Schemer' Zexion"), is a manipulator by nature. Appearing in Chain of Memories, his talents lie outside of battle. His original self was Ansem the Wise's youngest lab assistant, Ienzo (イエンツォ, Ientso?), who convinced Ansem the Wise that they should build an underground lab for research. He is voiced by Akira Ishida in Kingdom Hearts Re: Chain of Memories. He is the second youngest in the Organization, next to Roxas."
First off, I'm not sure "Kage Ayumu Sakushi" Zekushion?" is necessary. For one, anyone who can understand the japanese words should be able to read the japanese symbols. It seems redundant to have both the japanese, the romanization of the japanese, and the english all there. As it is, having the japanese at all seems a good bit fancrufty - having the romanization is just asking for trouble.
Second, this line ("his talents lie outside of battle") no longer seems necessary - he fights just as often as Lexaeus did, and it was slightly misleading in the first place - he did fight with Riku and Riku Replica, it just wasn't playable. Now that we fight him a full three times in the series, this should be removed or changed to something like "he prefers to get others to fight for him, but will fight for himself if necessary" or something like that.
Third, "He is the second youngest in the Organization, next to Roxas."" This should be better integrated. As it is, it's after the description of the VA! I think it would best fit with this: "Ansem the Wise's youngest lab assistant," as an addendum to that sentence ("He was Ansem the Wise's youngest lab assistant..., and was the second youngest member of the Organization, next to Roxas.")
I think the last two criticisms only apply to Zexion, but the romanization thing should probably be applied to all of the entries - we shouldn't be trying to shove so many different versions of japanese into an english wikipedia article.
Thanks for your time!KrytenKoro 14:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ...you're serious? Not everyone can read kanji or kana, pal. A layperson won't know 影 can be read kage or ei. Nor will he know καλoς is kalos (Greek). THe point is, what you're suggesting is a person will assume the Japanese is exactly the same as the English. For one example, you'd be allowing people to think Gyakuten Saiban translates to "Ace Attorney".—ウルタプ 15:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's...Not at all what I was talking about. At all. What I was saying is that it would be reasonable for anyone who really cares to know the japanese form of the title (Kage Ayumu Sakushi) to also be able to read the japanese. Or, if you're seriously advocating that they would understand japanese but not know the symbols, then the kanji and kana are not needed. One or the other needs to go - it doesn't make sense for them both to be there.KrytenKoro 15:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Remove the title Kanji if you really want to. I don't care at this point. "He is the second youngest in the Organization, next to Roxas." has been removed. ' 15:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, '. Would people prefer the kanji or the romanization to be removed?KrytenKoro 15:24, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither should be removed. Many people can understand Japanese but can't read kanji (most foreign learners learn the kana and vocabulary first, then the kanji, since kanji are so much harder to learn) but if someone were looking for more information on something and the kanji weren't listed, only the romaji and the translation, they'd be stuck unless the best (original, close-to-the-source) webpages and articles had been translated, and with the multiple meanings for most kanji (even just using synonyms for a word) it could be impossible to find the information they're looking for anyway. That's why the Nihongo template is the way it is on Wiki: Translation, kanji, romaji. Nique talk 16:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're going to remove the Japanese for whatever concern, then remove both. Both or nothing. Feel free to do so. The Katakana and Romanization for the names stay, though. ' 18:15, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Okay, sorry. I was unaware that their was any policy behind using Japanese character names on English Wikipedia. Thanks for informing me!KrytenKoro 12:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zexion?

message: Okay, so Across Two, Bond of Flames, and Way to the Dawn are not the actual weapon.
But Donald's Centurion and Goofy's Freeze Pride (Bride?) are not transformations of Order member weapons. Should we include this in the article at all, as revealed names for the weapons?
And are their any other revealed weapon names? Not weapon types like claymore or book, but actual names, like Oathkeeper and Oblivion.
Oh! I think that the earring shaped like Marluxia's scythe is called the Full Bloom - would that count as an actual name or a transformation - it's the exact same shape, just used differently.
Cause if it is, we have Freeze Pride, Centurion, Full Bloom, and Oathkeeper & Oblivion, which is a good start.
We could have something like:
Weapon: Centurion, an earth-elemental tomahawk
or
Weapon: Full Bloom, a nature-elemental scythe.
Maybe?KrytenKoro 01:01, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Mix Weapons

message: Xemnas' Title really is "Seeker of Darkness".
Wait.
Hmm. I'm trying to find where you guys got "Luna Diviner" and all that, and I can't actually find any sources. Where did you guys get these titles, again?KrytenKoro 01:08, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the game itself. There's a room in the World That Never Was called Proof of Existance. It shows everybody's (except Xemnas) title, weapon, and whether they're alive or not. And no, Xemnas is not the Seeker of Darkness. That's Ansem (the Heartless). Xemnas has no officially endorsed title.—ウルタプ 01:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note, do you know if Zexion's weapon is shown there in Final Mix? or is it still destroyed? or you don't have the game? - Zero1328 Talk? 01:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I certainly don't have Final Mix. >.>;—ウルタプ 01:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: That's right, I remember now. But wasn't Xemnas given the title "Seeker of Darkness" where they were all given there japanese titles? I was quite sure of it. In Ultimania, right?KrytenKoro 01:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Xemnas was never given an official title. Anywhere.—ウルタプ 01:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text:  Notice the Japanese text after "Organization XIII" for Xigbar and Xaldin, and the lack of it for Xemnas. "Seeker of Darkness", or "Pursuer of Darkness" according to Chain of Memories, is just Xehanort's Heartless's stupid title for himself, and makes no sense for Xemnas. ' 21:05, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Xemnas' Title

message: Now, I understand that Xigbar didn't finish the name. However, does it ever actually say that he is talking about Marluxia's new name?
I know it sounds very reasonable in your heads, but this IS still wikipedia, and we are obligated to go with what the source gives us, not our own research.
I think the issue could be resolved (until Nomura finally finishes the Organization, with their own nobodies and names) by saying something like"In Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix, Xigbar starts to name the new member he recruited "Mar-something" "sic", evidently referring to Marluxia. It is unclear whether this is Marluxia's original or Nobody name."
It could definitely be worded better, but that should be accurate enough until something is definitively stated by Square or the games.KrytenKoro 01:43, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not mentioned at all. I completely fail to see the issue. ' 01:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not mentioned in the article. ' 01:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Marluxia's name