Talk:Alkaline Trio

message: I reckon the Self Titled album and Remains should be in a separate section, 'Compilations' (given they are compilations and not 'proper' albums), and the current Compilations section should be renamed 'Appearances on compilations'. Chipstick 16:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I stumbled upon this song on the net by chance. I don't know the band, but what are the credits for this song on the album? The melody in the piano introduction is a blatant rip-off of Rachmaninoff's First Suite for 2 pianos, op. 5 (second movement).
--JFS 21:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to Waste 

message: Does anyone think it's important to add a new section about Matt Skiba's side project Patent Pending
Not really, but a small link somewhere in the article would do the trick. - WaveTheFinger
"Patent Pending" is the name of Matt Skiba's side project's first album. The name of the project itself is "Heavens" -Ch33zm0ng3r 06:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Side projects

message: While technically accurate, saying Matt practices Satanism isn't ENTIRELY true, as he said in an interview he simply was a member just to freak people out/piss them off.
Give me your thoughts, and possibly revise the first paragraph.
I am changing it to "reportedly practice", feel free to change that. I've read the interviews where Matt claims to tell people he's a Satanist just to piss people off, too. IMFromKathlene 02:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanism? 

message: Before these guys were known nationally, they were known in Chicago as the band from Elgin. Maybe they should be described as being from Elgin (where there was a big punk scene) rather than Chicago.
:Are you talking about Elgin, IL? END
*Yes this is a relatively true statement, though they were definitely involved in the Chicago punk scene. The band is more than punk rock, they are pop punk and goth, alternative as well, maybe some others, emo fits but doesn't help much. Xsxex 17:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Elgin Punk

message: There's a very rare 7" containing a cover of the Cars song "Bye Bye Love" which isn't mentioned in the article. I can't find suffient information at the moment, but I think it should be mentioned. Aviddd 17:04, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split with Blue Meanies 

message: I've removed the recently added 'emo' reference in the opening line.  By saying punk rock and emo band it implies they are two seperate genres, where as they are plainly not.  Emo-punk is a sub-genre of punk.  Please do not re-add it to the opening paragraph again.  
However, it may be interesting to include a short section on the difficulty involved in classifying Alk3. We could include some references.  What do people think? Welshy 14:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of 'emo' reference and possible new section? 

message: I'm always curious as to where a band gets its name.  Anyone know where AL3 got thier name, or does Skiba just have an unhealthy obsession with batteries? --DJ Citizen D 13:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins of the Name

message: Yeah is there a source for this? Jacknife737 15:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Satanist? 

message: Should this go under studio albums or compilations? Zeropunk16 05:45, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remains B-Sides album 

message: Can someone familiar with the band please confirm this edit and this edit?  A user made these changes in amongst some junk changes, but I can't tell if these changes are legit or not. Chovain 03:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that looks about right, except for a small grammar and editting error. --Richardstone15 08:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism check 

message: I became interested in Alkaline Trio from a friend.  He gave his mp3 collection.  In this collection was an album labeled as Alkaline Trio - Halloween [EP].  I couldn't find anything of this anywhere except this one place that lists lyrics for two of the three songs supposedly on this album.  The three songs on the album that I have are 1. Halloween  2. Children in heat  3. Wait for the blackout (BBC session)  If anyone has more knowledge on this I'd appreciate some input or research, I can't find much more than the metro DVD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AudioStatic82 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halloween EP? 

message: The band was listed as punk rock. If you are familiar with the punk rock genre, it is clear that Alkaline Trio is not punk rock, and any influence the punk movement had on the band is minimal. The closest classification that I could determine was Post Punk, a genre that emulates punk's general formula but is marked by slower tempos and softer spoken vocals. CDDB also lists Alkaline Trio as post punk. 
Solutus 06:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See the comment further back, posted 6 February 2007 by Ch33zm0ng3r.  I agree with the prediction: "Alkaline Trio has a Rock and Punk type sound, to split hairs past this point will only cause people to argue."  There have been so many edits of the genre that we may need a dispute resolution to have a discussion here to try to reach consensus; see discussion below. --Paul Erik 21:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre Change 

message: You definitely have to play hometown. Instead, they join the tour on the 31st in Milwaukee. Unless they are going to play a special show in Chicago instead of doing Warped on that date, they should play. --Senita Fetibegovic 21:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia talk pages are not discussion forums, thank you. Darthgriz98 03:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the Trio not playing the Chicago Warped Tour date this year on July 28th? 

message: I think it should be mentioned (possibly in the first paragraph) that a lot of Alk3 songs mention vampires, since this is defiantly a predominant them e in their music. 24.172.145.199 20:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes, ect. 

message: sorry guys im not that much in the know on this band. Found that "stub" via a vandalism bot talk page. apparently the entire thing is fake (although it also shows up in list of alkaline trio albums page as well). and it had been blanked (instead of deleted) by an unregistered user which the bot undid. the unregistered user claimed 'vandalism due to it be fiction' on the bots talk page (which is not a valid defense per se but....
i was going to request speedy deletion due to not finding ANY info on the "album" anywhere on the web (had just 3 total hits, one the wiki piece, one not helpful and one a disscussion thread about the wiki entry). this is the  discussion thread http://www.alkalinetrio.org/alkboard/index.php?PHPSESSID=88bd5c2bd6dd06d16f860460068ddb21&topic=2774.0
that thread seems to make it fairly clear the creation and promotion of the "kings deed..." wiki entry is bogus and vadalism. [possibly a bootleg or just 100% fake]. Hopefully someone here will pick up the torch and make corretions i ASSUME are needed with a better understanding of the history of those disputed songs and a certainty that nonexistant piece of work is really vaporware. thanks for your time/help Childhoodtrauma 01:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kings Deeds and Evil Seeds]] 

message: Should Heather Gabel get her own page instead of being a sub-section for Alkaline Trio? Her work as an artist in her own right would seem to more than justify it. --Rmwhittaker101 (talk) 05:53, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heather Gabel 

message: As stated above, the band is from Elgin, Illinois, not McHenry, Illinois...I might sound picky since McHenry is so close, but a bit more accuracy is never a bad thing. 4.245.83.67 (talk) 12:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elgin, Not McHenry 

message: Well, I think that at least this musics are NOT punk. Time To Waste is Alternative Rock-directioned, with a riff that remains to Alternative Metal. Burn it's Alternative Rock. All On Black it's a kind of Horror Punk, or Gothic Rock. And Help Me it's Pop Punk. I don't see "Punk Rock" in a lot of other musics from them, and i'm saying that musics because are singles and the "genre" can be changed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 23:40, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all your own opinion, and thus original research. Information in Wikipedia articles is to be based on "reliable, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy", not on editors' opinions. Please stop changing genres to suit your own point of view and without citing any sources to back up your changes. --IllaZilla (talk) 23:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, but based on what you to say that these songs are purely "punk rock"? And why do you edit what I had left in the articles of songs like "All On Black" and "Stupid Kid" is about Matt being the lead singer and Dan being the background vocalist? This is not opinion, just listen to music that you can see. And I wanted to leave that to not let people who do not know the band or the music confused (as I at first wanted to know some music that Dan sang, and all that I would appear that the two sang. And lastly, why edit what I put on Dan being the lead singer in tracks X of an album and Matt being the lead singer on tracks Y? This appears in the page of the album Good Mourning, why not the others? Grateful.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 02:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't. The album notes don't do track-by-track credits, so neither should we. "Just listen for yourself" is original research: you need to cite a source that gives these credits. The infoboxes say "punk rock" because that is the genre that both the band themselves and secondary sources most often associate them with. Regardless of what the genres are, when you decide to change them but don't back up the change by citing a source or even stating a reason in your edit summary, then it's clear you are changing them to suit your own point of view which is not acceptable. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "The infoboxes say "punk rock" because that is the genre that both the band themselves and secondary sources most often associate them with.". Okay, I did not say that the band itself is not "punk rock", only these songs. But just because the "band said" doesn't mean we really have to take into account. Linkin Park, for example, says that was never Metal but their first two CDs are purely Nu Metal. And what sources indicate that these songs are just "Punk Rock"? Thanked, and sorry if I seemed coarse and at some point.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergiohsilva (talk • contribs) 22:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't just say "the band said", multiple secondary sources give the band's primary genre as punk rock. As it stands these articles are far from complete: they need reliably-sourced sections that discuss the songs' composition, style, and critical reception, including what genres the sources describe them as. But the point is that you're changing the genres based solely on your own analysis and point of view. If you'd like to start expanding the articles with reliably sourced content, be my guest; The infoboxes can then be updated to reflect the genres described by the sources. But unexplained, unsourced, POV-based changes are grounds for an immediate revert, regardless of whether the existing genres are sourced. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:12, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time To Waste, Burn, All On Black and Help Me genres 

message: Hi
See the article is locked, can somebody change the slapstick link to the band please, it goes to the comedy atm
Also, why has the slapstick family tree page gone, it was a good page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.27.31.176 (talk) 20:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It was deleted by WP:PROD. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:18, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slapstick 

message: How is AvA in associated acts? Does it have to do with Matt Skiba's side band The Hell with Atom Willard?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.205.23.62 (talk) 20:30, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, they shouldn't be. Atom filled in with the Trio on tour after Mike Felumlee left (you can see Atom in the video for "Private Eye", which is made up of live footage) but was never a "member" of the band, and this predated AvA by several years. The Hell should be listed, as it's a Skiba side project, but AvA shouldn't because that's a 2-degrees-of-separation relationship. I'll remove AvA. --IllaZilla (talk) 08:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angels & Airwaves? 

message: Damnesia is listed as a studio album. I see it as more of a compilation album since it only includes two new tracks (one of the two being written back in the 90's). The music on the album (aside from the two aforementioned tracks) isn't new-just re-recorded in a different manner, thus technically making it a compilation if anything.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.73.116 (talk) 05:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong. Damnesia consists entirely of new recordings of the songs, arranged in semi-acoustic renditions. They are all-new recordings made specifically for Damnesia. The fact that most of them are old songs makes no difference. It does not have to be new material to qualify as a studio album. It is certainly not a compilation album: A compilation album is compiled from previously-existing recordings (which may or may not have been previously released), it does not consists of all new recordings made specifically for that release. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damnesia-Compilation or Studio album? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Why are you restoring incorrect information to the article? The singer is from McHenry, the band is from Chicago. Your edit removed a Rolling Stone reference from the article that confirms this. Just search it on Google. Dartslilly (talk) 06:12, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent reverts 

message: There were several parts in this article which implied that Matt Skiba was a "former band member" and that his tenure with the band ended in 2015. That was the year he joined Blink-182. However, he did not leave Alkaline Trio. In fact, Alkaline Trio recorded an album in 2018 with Skiba, which would not make sense if he had stopped being involved in 2015. Let's please not push the idea that he is no longer a member of Alkaline Trio as of the day he joined Blink. Not only is he still a member, he's still the only original member and the main songwriter. NightmareSnake (talk) 15:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's not put Matt Skiba as a "former band member" until he actually leaves the band, please. 

message: He is from Offspring, Social Distortion, and Against Me!. I believe he will bring good things for the band. 2600:1004:B215:5FBE:4138:8025:DC88:6C89 (talk) 03:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atom