Talk:Forbes list of billionaires (2005)/Archive 1

message: As I understand it, copyright does not cover ideas, but the way that they are expressed. I believe that all that is needed is to reword the Forbes list, if it is desired to display here who Forbes claims the richest people are. With something as simple as a list, is there any need even to reword it?Tim Ivorson 12:12, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suspicion of copyright infringement 

message: *List of billionaires from  - contrary to an often-heard opinion, lists and compilations can be copyrighted, especially if it's a list like that that has to be compiled from so many sources (no milliardaire will publish his net worth). I fear that Forbes may sue the Wikipedia if it reprints this list without permission; what's worse, by placing it under GNU license, Wikipedia also offers a license to resell the list. I think in the worst case, this can lead to a lawsuit that ends in the complete liquidation of the Wikipedia. --Dingo 07:38, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyvio discussion moved from [[WP:CP]] 

message: Number 59 Stefan Quandt (Germany - $6.5 billion) replaced with Douglas B. Jordan? - Jerryseinfeld 14:26, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: In lack of response I put Mr. Quandt back. - Jerryseinfeld 00:33, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Douglas B. Jordan? 

message: About . I'm not explaining this one more time, NO titles, understand? - Jerryseinfeld 02:18, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Sir, Gerald Grosvenor is the Duke of Westminster. It is not merely a title, but part of his name. Wikipedia policy is to ignore a peerage ONLY in cases where the peerage was gained on retirement (Harold Macmillan, Margaret Thatcher) or ignored throughout one's life (Bertrand Russell). I'm afraid that you are in the wrong on this matter. Mackensen (talk) 03:02, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't care if he got 100 names, I'm not going to write all of them. It sounds like the kind of nonsense that made us leave europe in the first place. - Jerryseinfeld 04:12, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Be that as it may, that's your POV and when it conflicts with established fact and policy the latter must and does take precedence. His name is Gerald Cavendish, 6th Duke of Wellington. Further removal of his full name may constitute vandalism. Mackensen (talk) 04:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well my full name is Jerry The Great, so you better start addressing me properly or I'll send my vassals at you. - Jerryseinfeld 10:23, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles 

message: According to the information in the linked article, she appears to be French. Why is she listed as an American here? MK2 07:06, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Liliane Bettencourt's nationality

message: There's a lot of people at the bottom of the list waiting to be sorted.  Question - when breaking a tie is necessaery (which it often is near the bottom of the list) how should we do so?  Pakaran 12:56, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: People waiting to be sorted

message: So when is John Walton going to be taken off the list, since he died in a plane crash a few days ago?
:I see he's off the list now but, where did the money go? shouldn't some family members increase in networth or someone new be added to the list?. That money didn't just dissappear. --62.251.90.73 2 July 2005 11:17 (UTC)
:I don't know about this, he died in June.  So he was a billionaire from January to June in 2005--is there an exact point in the year at which we consider this list "snapshotted"?  It  may be appropriate to keep him on.NTK 17:17, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Walton 

message: Images screw up the list. This is list, not gallery. 
I moved them out of the list, but I suggest removing them at all. mikka (t) 16:30, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Who is this guy? I never heard of him.  he can't be the 3rd richest man.  This is obviously vandalism.  His profile is only one sentence long and it claimes he is 15. Someone fix this!
:This user (User:196.25.253.14) has been involved in VERY subversive vandalism, please see his contributions.  He also created Lunnis Corporation, which is nonexistent and is consequently listed on :Category:Wikipedia articles needing factual verification.  I've removed "Bruce Lunnis" from the list.  This guy isn't very smart - there is a great probability that this is the actual user's name.  FranksValli 07:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bruce Lunnis 

message: On 3 News on 18 November it was stated that Graeme Hart is worth billions. Why isn't he in the list?
210.86.91.34 05:48, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graeme Hart 

message: Go check the ACTUAL Forbes list of billionaires.  Nowhere is Vivian Wu listed.  I spent hours combing through the Internet to find out how this actress accumulated her billions.  The finding was that she wasn't a billionaire.  **CORRECTION** Vivian Wu Yen is a billionaire in Taiwan and she is in autos.  This Vivian Wu Yen is not the Vivian Wu, the Asian actress.
:That's right.  Vivian is an incredibly common English name in Taiwan (it is common for Chinese kids to be given a Western first name when they learn English, which they often use in English conversation rather than their Chinese name), and Wu is a very common surname.  There must be tens of thousands of women named Vivian Wu in the world, especially now that one is a famous actress.  NTK 17:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vivian Wu is not a billionaire 

message: Since the discussion posted above from WP:CP is not really clear, I'm politely requesting an examination of the copyright status of this list and, by extension, all other lists based on Forbes' list of richest people in the world. The reason behind this request is to see if this type of lists can ever become featured content, as in for example List of Mexican billionaires. Thank you. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 14:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright examination 

message: Should he be listed since he is a head of state? Others (mostly in the middle east) aren't listed. The explaination that heads of state are not included because their wealth is tied to their position should be clarified. Why not include the other heads of state? Dfuss 23:34, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is because Italy is a democracy.  And in democracies (whether it's true or not), heads of state get paid a salary from the state, and do not OWN the state, (like in a monarchy). --209.128.81.201 22:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silvio Berlusconi? 

message: When the Dad died in 1999 his article says he was worth 4 billion in 1999, how could they just 8 years later the family be worth 30 billion? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.110.221.182 (talk) 04:48, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mars family