Talk:Dutch people

message: The countryeconomy.com site lists these sources. Perhaps someone would like to chase down the Ireland & Chile figures — I am a bit busy at the moment.
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Peaceray (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources for the countryeconomy.com citation

message: According to Merriam-Webster, a "Dutchman" is a "native or inhabitant of the Netherlands" or "a person of Dutch descent". My ODE (3rd edition 2010) has nearly the same, only restricting the use to men. They also have a similar definition for "Dutchwoman". :nl:Nederlanders (not a RS, of course, but at least we can assume that they know what they are talking about) has "Nederlanders ... zijn de inwoners van Nederland. Zij zijn een Europees volk ..." (Dutch people are the inhabitants of the Netherlands. They are a European people). It then goes on to distinguish between various meanings of the word, i.e. nationality, ethnicity and others.
Vlaemink, if the dictionaries tell us that Dutch people are the "natives or inhabitants", we cannot give a different definition in this article. On the other hand, I don't see why the change I am proposing  as you fear. History, culture, genetics, diaspora and all the other topics covered by the article are normally called "Dutch history, Dutch culture, ..." in RS, so why should we change anything ? Rsk6400 (talk) 06:32, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: In addition to what I said above (08:49, 22 June 2023), the phrase "this obscurity continues in colloquial use" seems to criticize the explanation of the term "Dutch" given by the dictionaries (see above, subsection "Sources") - criticizing the sources (w/o other sources) is even worse than WP:OR. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:19, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colloquial use ? 

message: The map indicates Brazil is in the highest tier for Dutch descendants, but doesn't actually have the number of Dutch people living there Ac2127 (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil? 

message: The Slavs, such as the Russians, are allowed the designation as a "West/East/South Slavic" ethnic group but the Germanic-speaking ethnic groups are forbidden from this? What a load of baloney.
Is this because the Slavs have historically been viewed as an inferior people and, thus, are allowed special privileges as a result of being a minority? Because I notice this trend: 
The higher the social class of an ethnic group/race (i.e. Germanic), the less "privileged" they are, so to speak. 199.7.157.42 (talk) 15:04, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: See #Germanic_ethnic_group_? above. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ethnicity seems to be of relatively minor interest in the Netherlands, even among xenophobic, anti immigration groups. Notably far right leader Geert Wilders is from mixed Dutch-Indonesian descent - a fact neither denied, nor mentioned in the public debate. Dutch census bureau (CBS) has abolished ethnicity as term in 2022 (and before that had a rather technical and complex definition). CBS now only records people that were born outside of the Netherlands, and those born in the Netherlands with 1 or both parents born abroad (which includes people born while their parents were temporarily abroad etc). So even if you want to include ethnicity it will be nigh impossible to find a reliable source for any numbers etc. Arnoutf (talk) 17:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hypocrisy