Talk:United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia

message: Travb: I've noticed your newest edits, and while they are nice and interesting enough...there are at least a couple of formal issues that can be raised immediately after reading the newest section that you are working on. 
Do the Order, the networks and links mentioned specifically lead to the "creation of the AUC"? That is debatable. What is definitely clear, IMHO, is the historical relevance of that information as part of the development of paramilitarism as a whole, and the relationship between the military and paramilitary (or paramilitary-like) organizations. But directly linking that to the creation of the AUC per se, on the other hand, is more subjective (something which would be more evident if the article eventually included more details on the AUC's history as an specific entity).
 
So much so, that not even HRW's original report (which can be read online, btw), nor the text by Doug Stokes (which you are quoting/rephrasing), specifically states or argues that the U.S. was involved in the "creation of the AUC" due to those events. That, say, U.S. actions contributed to paramilitarism and military-paramilitary relations, which that information makes completely clear, isn't equal to saying that they contributed to the creation of the AUC. 
That being the case, the phrasing and location of the new information doesn't seem quite right, from a strictly Wikipedia-like point of view. At least not in the way it's currently included in the article
Taking this into account, I would argue that the section, in its current form, and most of its information would be better suited for the article "Paramilitarism in Colombia", which has a scope that goes beyond the AUC. That information is definitely important, and I thank you for digging it up (so to speak), but the direct implication that those specific actions led to the AUC, does look out of place here, and may be technically subject to the dreaded accusation of being "original research". Juancarlos2004 02:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will move it right now.  Good call.  It can't be original research cause none of it is original LOL. Travb 02:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: On the New Section

message: Can anyone elaborate on the politics on the United. Self-Defense Forces?  Although they are described as "right-wing," what are the main tenants the group holds?--Whistlesgowhoo 01:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be just united as anti-FARC, which is probably why AUC has so many internal conflicts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.67 (talk) 03:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics? 

message: what was or is their political vision? (maybe some sort of Colombian version of Democratic realism???? can it be changed from the "colombian conflict infobox" (temporarily?) to former groups since they no longer are operating as AUC???--F3rn4nd0  14:52, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question.  A lot of these guys obviously want to go into (legitimate) politics, so I suppose that they'll have to form some sort of platform.  in 1998, Carlos Castano, who is now dead, made something that resembled a platform of sorts, see http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/pot-paramil.htm  Keep in mind, however, that Carlos Castano is a first-class bullshitter.  --Descendall 09:32, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: What about including a history or origins section? I believe they go as far back as the MAS (Muerte a Secuestradores) criminal organization. --Forich (talk) 03:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: History?

message: Might be worth noting that a main character (Jose Yero) in Miami Vice (2006) is identified as AUC.
user: fx6893 22 Dec 2006
Pop Culture/Movies
Might be worth mentioning that a main character named Jose Yero in the movie Miami Vice (2006) is identified as an AUC member. Fx6893 23:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi, this page was recently moved from United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia to Self-Defense Units of Colombia arguing that this was the correct translation of Autodenfensas Unidas de Colombia.  I disagree.  "Unidas" means "united", not "units".  I will revert the move in a few hours if no one minds.  Colombiano21 (talk) 21:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now reverted the move.  If you still feel the page is under the wrong name, please comment about it on here before moving it.  Thank you, Colombiano21 (talk) 00:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
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message: How does Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia translate to United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia? Wouldn't Self-Defense Units of Colombia be a better translation? --Degen Earthfast (talk) 22:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: On one hand, 'Unidas' means 'federado' or 'asociado', so it translates as 'United'. That's why I don't support your suggestion of 'Units' in their name.  On the other hand, why is there a 'Forces' in the name, since there is no 'Fuerzas' in the original denomination? --Forich (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't United Self-Defenders of Columbia be a better and more correct name?--108.36.244.16 (talk) 03:47, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Moved to United Self-Defenders of Colombia as a better translation from the Spanisg to English--Degen Earthfast (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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