Talk:Lord Dunsany

message: What is the intention of that section? Does it have any special importance wrt Lord Dunsany (which shoule be the title of this page) and/or his work? Fram 13:51, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beats me. I've deleted it. (As for the title, Lord Dunsany can legitimately refer to any of the 20 holders of that title, and one could argue that its default meaning is the current holder.) —Tamfang 05:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. As for the title, it is not that important. It's just that normally (AFAIK) articles are listed under the name most probably used (in searches and in links) (so for the writer that would be Lord Dunsany), and when different articles could have the same name (as with Lord Dunsany), a disambiguation page is made for the less obvious / important ones, even if they are the 'current' one. It is hard to find similar cases, but e.g. the current Winston Churchill is listed as Winston Churchill (grandson). Raphael and Michelangelo go straight to the painters, even though there are other ones. Sting is listed under his pseudonym, even though he (obviously) has another name, and Sting has many other meanings. On the other hand, Lord Byron redirects as well... No obvious correct solution here, I'm afraid! Fram 08:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the naming rules used for aristocrats on Wikipedia do not conform to the naming rules for Wikipedia in general. This bothers me, both as an editor and as a (lower-case) republican. But the people who work on the articles about aristocrats are clearly invested in their "correct" usage, so I've never been able to muster the energy to really dispute this. Nareek 12:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The secret of the sea

message: What is this category talking about? I can think of one Dunsany story I'd call horror, and that's a maybe. Septentrionalis 22:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's the one I meant... Septentrionalis 01:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: But on the other hand, that and "Poor Old Bill" do not make a horror writer, unless every writer who ever did one creepy story (which is virtually every writer) is to be so classified. Do we add :Category:Irish mystery writer for "Two Bottles of Relish"? Septentrionalis 17:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Horror writer?

message: Jorge Luis Borges included Dunsany's short story Idle Days on the Yann as the twenty-seventh title in "The Library of Babel".
This is misleading. "The Library of Babel" is, in one case, a short story by Borges, as you see in the link. There is no appearance of Dunsany or his works in that story. On the other hand, "The Library of Babel" is a book series collected and foreworded by Borges and published by "Franco Maria Ricci Editore, Mailand". One of these books is named "Idle Days on the Yann" and contains several short stories and plays by Dunsany. The german translation was published by "Edition Weitbrecht in K. Thienemanns Verlag" in 1983 as the 8th title of the series.
85.176.12.130 18:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Threw me when I read it. Fixed, though I don't know (and doubt) if there's an entry for the published series. --138.16.27.161 19:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Library of Babel

message: At least one source affirms he was an atheist. 1 Any reliable information on this subject? I'll keep researching. 201.38.57.182 22:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that it would be impossible not to draw, or at least come close to arriving at that conclusion, albeit that this position varies with the intensity of it throughout his development as a person and a writer, and bearing in mind that he was also to an extent critical and sceptical of his own atheism: Man is a small thing, and the night is very large and full of wonders (Lord Dunsany, The Laughter of the Gods) User:sjc 10:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And see The Blessing of Pan, the early short stories and his autobiographical writings. No sign of an interest in organized religion, though he was married and buried in the Anglican churches. 82.152.50.225 (talk) 11:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lord Dunsany's religious views 

message: The two links somebody removed as "commercial" were the only links to non-commercial titles. You can use the cost calculator at www.lulu.com if you don't otherwise believe that both of them are being sold for the price of the production cost and no more (this means that you pay the printing of the book, and nobody gets money for it, save the printer, and even the printer probably won't get profit worth mentioning).
Moreover, I don't think it's a bad thing to have links to editions that will stay in print for perpetuity, and are as inexpensive, yet well made, as possible. (The two titles are not "reprints", but new editions, with which I have toiled for the sole purpose of making good and inexpensive hardcover editions of Dunsany's work available: I have received no money from my work at all, and will never receive any, no matter how many copies, if any, will be sold).
88.148.149.48 16:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Books in Print

message: I did a bunch of copy-edits to try to draw some of the scattered facts together into coherent paragraphs. Work to be done:
* The "influences" and "writers influenced by" sections need work, as well; they would be better not as bulleted lists but as narrative paragraphs, explaining and contextualizing the bulleted points. (Possibly, "influences" should be woven into the stuff about his style.)
* There were two allusions to his themes; I put them together, but the article only discussed one of his themes (Irish identity). That should be fleshed out, and other themes need to be discussed as well.
--lquilter 14:02, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Quite limited? Maybe in the early years, when his style was more alternative (though his early poems related to either Kent or Ireland, I seem to recall). But aside from the award-winning The Curse of the Wise Woman, Rory and Bran, The Story of Mona Sheehy, elements in the six Jorkens volumes, and much of The Man Who Ate the Phoenix, there is a lot of Ireland in his later stories, in his three autobiographical volumes, in the introductory material written for the photographic collection Ireland, and above all else, in My Ireland, a veritable paean to the country. Certainly, there is less of Ireland in the poems and drama, and some of the Irishness in some of the stories slips a little into "staginess" but Dunsany wrote more of Ireland than most writers (not so hard, I admit, when he wrote so much), and was both fond and sympathetic.
SeoR 12:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't thinking about the autobhiography, just the stories. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy-edits & more work to do 

message: We may be able to use O'Faolain's description of Dunsany: "odd, original, hospitable, and sensitive" (p. 353); but Dunsany's difficult mood that night is perhaps unnecessary: he objected to the salt because it had a dessicant (he'd brought home-ground rock salt: "If your butler is too lazy to grind your salt for you, he's a washout. Get rid of him at once.") the ashtray (it had an ad on it); and the cream (borax). p.352. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Great idea! Views of Dunsany from other writers (O'Faolain, Yeats, and all the "inspired by" people), especially if also friends (like Gogarty) or collaborators (Colum), and especially from his contemporaries, would add some interesting insight. SeoR 12:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to include it. O'Faolain says that associate membership was abolished; if that's how Dunsany became a full member, we should say something like: "Dunsany was a member of the Irish Academy of Letters, originally divided into associate and full members. While an associate member..." O'Faolain does not give a date, but recalls the occasion as an award for Francis MacManus' historical novel, Traveling Men, which I cannot find. Perhaps Men Withering (1939)? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not part of the debate so will not take action but I can add that Dunsany was incensed at the allocation of Associate status, and Yeats (a once close acquaintance, close enough to uniquely gather and edit a Dunsany collection) explained that it was because Dunsany's writing was not "Irish" enough. The Full Membership came after "The Curse of the Wise Woman", seen as a strong Irish contribution, as far as I can remember. Skir77 00:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: O'Faolain

message: I see this has been "tagged" as Mid-importance for the Ireland project. I was thinking that given the scale of the achievements, and how well known Dunsany was, should be higher but perhaps Mid is right for Ireland, and High in (if such exists) the Fantasy / SF+F / Speculative Fiction Project? It depends too on the spread of ratings for Irish writers and artists as a whole, if there are just 2-3 "Top" and 15-20 High, then I guess Mid is also right. 83.250.202.81 05:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Priority rating 

message: Can we have some more representative and interesting pictures. Dunsany looks well enough in the uniform but I have seen better. 217.118.66.29 (talk) 18:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I can find someone with more photos. The article could also use some, here or in linked articles, of Ledwidge and other associates, dust jackets and other illustrations, especially Simes, and of Dunstall Priory, where much of the later, and some of the earlier, work was written. 83.241.234.155 (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: Especially with the 'Dean Spanley' film now out there's going to be much more interest in his dog stories. I only know 'My Talks with Dean Spanley' well and don't own or know any of his other dog stories but I reckon a "dog stories" section - especially given the rarity of editions - is highly warranted.--Tyranny Sue (talk) 02:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  dog stories 

message: The section which states that Dunsany was one of Robert E. Howard's favorite authors is mistaken. The link directly states that Howard likes Dunsany, but not that Dunsany is a favorite.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.44.235 (talk) 02:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert E. Howard 

message: This article says, "Lord Dunsany played left half back for the 1938 championship winning team for Drumree." Now, to everybody around Drumree "championship winning team" implies that Eddie Plunkett was a member and player for one of his local GAA teams. But given that he's also described as "Anglo-Irish" in this article, I think we should have clarification on what sporting code "championship winning team" refers to. 86.44.68.223 (talk) 11:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: 1938 Championship?

message: It is not a nationality, it is a class, see the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ireland#Anglo_Irish. Sheodred (talk) 11:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-Irish 

message: The article says attendees at his funeral included "Pakenham, Jersey and Fingal", but Pakenham isn't mentioned elsewhere in the article.  Presumably that's the family of the Earl of Longford#Earls of Longford; Second Creation (1785)?  If so, we should link that section, and ideally we'd be a bit more specific (which specific people, presumably at least some of whom will have Wikipdia articles) attended? -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 21:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, the Pakenham's were actually close relatives, and Dunsany wrote and made objects for them.  I will reference and add something. SeoR (talk) 14:31, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Which Pakenham? 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Consensus to move with no substantial objections. Technical move request created.   Combefere ❯❯❯ Talk 11:36, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany →  - per WP:COMMONNAME. Since the recently concluded Talk:Lady Gregory#Requested move 11 March 2021 resulted in the move of Augusta, Lady Gregory -> Lady Gregory, support may also exist for moving this main title header. Although there was a somewhat extended discussion, starting 15 years ago, in March 2006, at Talk:Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany#Untitled, regarding reasons for such a move, with mention of Lady Gregory among supporting examples, only one RM had been actually submitted, at above Talk:Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany#Requested move 3 January 2016, over five years ago, which ended in "no consensus". —Roman Spinner (talk  o  contribs) 22:43, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

text: * Support per policy and common sense. Dlabtot (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

text: He's certainly known among fantasy literature fans as "Lord Dunsany" (that title appears on the cover and spine of many publications of his fantasy works), so I would support the renaming if it's true that he's also known that way for other aspects of his life... AnonMoos (talk) 01:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: However, it may be also noted that anyone typing simply "Lord Dunsany" would be redirected to Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany. This redirect has 347 links, both templated and non-templated, and has existed for 18 years, since March 2003. It is very likely that 99 percent of users who type "Lord Dunsany" are searching for the 18th one, but all 100 percent are arriving at Edward Plunkett, 18th Baron of Dunsany where a hatnote advises, "Lord Dunsany" redirects here. For the peerage, see Baron of Dunsany. Thus, it would seem intuitive, based upon the overwhelming focus on this Lord Dunsany, to bypass the redirect and proceed directly. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:40, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 21 March 2021 

message: Dunsany is almost the epitome of the Anglo-Irish. Born in London to an Ascendency family, mostly brought up in England, but still seeing himself as *both* Irish and British, and always keen on the Irish dimension. And his work is always identified as such in scholarship, including the deep study "Master of the Anglo-Irish Imagination." The fact that Encyclopedia Britannica has been revised to mention him as solely Irish - in a tiny article, far less comprehensive or referenced than this one - speaks only to the weaknesses of that publication, not to any change in reality. For some of their better work, see The Irishness of Anglo-Irish literature, and later parts of that page. What next, try to reclassify Swift (a bridge too far) or Edgeworth as only Irish? 195.91.214.78 (talk) 06:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish vs Anglo-Irish 

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