Talk:Orkut/Archive 1

message: i am living in saudi arabia and orkut is banned here...so i cant access it ..wats wrong with it...ashik(acquisty@yahoo.com)
Around second week of October 2006, Orkut  public so anyone can join it without any invitation!
I have confirmed this by making an account without using Google Account login and Invitation! As a change I had zero friend initially and no new friend-request to confirm which otherwise a new account creator used to get from person inviting him\her to join orkut!
--Rahul Bansal 14:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak to your possible success at joining without an invitation, but I just this minute attempted to create an orkut account, and failed because I lacked an invitation. The site is, at least, not completely invitation-free. tepid 21:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Weird. And today I can. Google is so strange sometimes. Whatever. tepid 21:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Orkut doesn't require invitation anymore. But I had problems creating a new account last time I tried (last December). I would be unable to sign up if I input a non-gmail email. But the reason of the error was not specified by the website, so many users might not be able to figure this out!!  Infinito 18:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Why was it not needed? I've put back a lot. It's good you used this page, but please also give reasons for actions that might offend others - like me. Guaka 02:01, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of that is just something someone has made up, also it's POV and thus against policy. Dori | Talk 03:45, May 17, 2004 (UTC)
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The article claims that "The dominant faction seems, as with Friendster, to be ordinary young people in Los Angeles, New York, and similar environs." But Orkut's internal statistics show otherwise. As of now, this is the percentage of members according to their countries:
Brazil       	99.65%
United States	23.49%
Iran         	5.96%
India        	2.63%
Estonia      	2.83%
Japan        	2.41%
Pakistan     	2.28%
Canada       	2.11%
...          	...
I believe Brazil, Iran, and India are not that similar to Los Angeles or New York. Roozbeh 02:11, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orkut Went Public 

message: I took my time to tweak a couple of things in the article, and I'll talk a little about some of them here. First, I removed the link that (probably) pointed to some demographics data at orkut.com. I did so because I can't get to that page without logging in. I don't have an orkut account, and I'm sure most of the people that end up on this article don't have one either. That's why I believe that kind of thing should be removed.
I also changed all occurrences for the word "Orkut" in the article to "orkut" (except when it refers to the creator of the program). I found it better to change that because it looks like the right name is just "orkut", without a capital letter in the beginning. That can be seen all over orkut.com, so I'm guessing that's the right way. Think of it as the way they chose to name id software. It's just the same deal, but I might be wrong, since I came to this conclusion by myself. If so, it would be nice to hear other opinions here. I might add a disclaimer just like the one at id's article when I feel more positive about this.
I also did other minor changes. Nothing very important, just things to improve the overall look of the article. I guess this is all. By the way, I forgot to log in before editing that. That guy is me.  – Kaonashi 06:19, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I added that naming convention disclaimer. Looks like there's a template for that kind of thing, so that's what I used. I'm not completely sure if it's really "orkut", but if anyone knows better, this  can be discussed here. – Kaonashi 03:02, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: I re-capitalized some occurances of "orkut" that began sentences, since that seemed like the proper thing to do for a normally-lowercase word. Power piglet 03:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Still doesn't work for me, no matter how much I refresh. – Kaonashi 14:43, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small changes - report 

message: There is conspiracy theory that Orkut is a CIA front.  One site discusses the CIA's potential of searching the Orkut database in secret.  Not sure if this is established enough or within the scope to put in the entry.  New here, not even sure if this is the right way to discuss it. --Paraphelion 22:16, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know, why would CIA do research in Orkut? It's full of Brazilians, Indians and Estonians, nothing important to track there.. They could have more luck investigating on Myspace.. :)  --Infintito 18:51, 12 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: I didn't think this content would be put back on the article after a clear consensus had been reached back in May 2005. At that time, Mateusc's gesture of conforming to the version of the article that was considered as more acceptable by the majority by reverting his edit seemed both rational and nice to me. It was an impressive gesture. I don't understand why the part that was disputed at length on this very talk page was put back yesterday by Mateusc (who didn't leave an edit summary). I still think that section contains racism, bias, POV, redundancy, and shouldn't feature in any Wikipedia article. Labeling those behaviors as "Common Brazilian acts" is highly discriminatory. We should not forget that I'm not the only one who thinks so. Here are three quotes taken from this talk page about the "Common Brazilians [sic] Acts" section, to refresh our memories.
*"'Common Brazilians Acts The common acts of the brazilians in orkut'
This is making it look like all the brazilians using orkut are there only for disruptive purposes." (Hiba)
*"I would like to submit the notion that this article is prejudiced and/or racist and should be unfit for Wikipedia. What would a section on 'Common Acts of the Jew' sound like to you, no matter what the subject?" (Anonymous)
*"What I don't like in the way this article was written is the fact that it tends to speak as if every average Brazilian did the 'Common Brazilian Acts'. Perhaps I don't like it because as a Brazilian, it touched my proudness. But I do not think so. I think I don't like it because the article talked about a minority (in fact I'm not sure it is a minority... anyway, can anyone prove that it is not a minority? I mean a high percentage) as if it was the whole. In my opinion, it sounded more like a complain than an article. And yes, I would like to complain too, but wikipedia should not be the place. The 'Brazilian invasion' section of the article should be enough." (Akira)
The "Common Brazilian acts section" shouldn't have been brought back. It should be removed (again). -- Audrey 20:57, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Common Brazilian acts" section (again) 

message: I'm posting the links, proving the user:Mackeriv, Wikipedia Administrator, Brazilian, committing acts that proves the pressure of their point of view.
* Mackeriv make changes, deleting information, ask about consensus that not exist. (Only Audrey deleting information accordance
* Mackeriv block Mateusc for 24h
* Mackeriv act reported
* CesarB unblock Mateusc in 20 minutes - Innapropriate block of Mackeriv.
* Request for comment about Mackeriv act
:: User:Mackeriv is Brazilian. He look for intimidate Mateusc (Me, Brazilian too) about my editions, because He simply disagree and consider orkut Brazilian Invasion details shamefull for your country. User:Audrey simply disagree too and only thing him made here is delete and hide informations with reversions.
I ask for consider this. The only things that are being made here, are pressure so that a text is deleted that Mackeriv does not agree, and already demonstrated that it is capable to use the administrator force to take advantage on the POV. --Mateusc 01:53, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mackeriv try press your POV 

message: Please note: This section was blanked, restored from RC patrol, and balnked again, editors more in tune with this article may want to review it for changes. Xaosflux 18:44, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controvery Section of [[Orkut]] 

message: I don't invite anyone a long time ago because all of my friends have orkut or don't want to have. Even my mother has orkut.
But i have three or four real life friends which still don't have. Trying to convince they to accept one of the dozens of invites i send...~
This may be a tip of the brazilian internet phenomenon. Lots of my friends are in Fotolog.net too, some of them with more than one account.
Victorwss 04:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Off-topic personal comment 

message: How do people locate orkut friends and acquaintances the first time?... dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu 21:31, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How to locate orkut friends and acquaintances 

message: A brazilian girl with 1 billion scraps  Herself and their lovely friend using Javascript methods, flooding the system only for vanity and "curtição" Sorry, but this a fact. I never saw north-americans, iranians or europeans making this on Orkut. And now brazilians here are talking about "is not brazilians..." Brazilians, YES are the main reason why Orkut died (except in Brazil, off course...) -- 201.8.108.22
* Yes. This is sad and I find it extra sad that orkut maintains to cater towards Brazilians even though all this. But. Get your english straight and CHILL. Then reform your argument. // Gargaj 20:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Who must arrange other arguments here is YOU that need PROVE not only brazilians are Trolling orkut system. --201.8.108.22 20:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm from Brazil and I really don't care about nationality. I'm an anarchist. I think that the "Brazilian invasion" is ok, but could be modified to avoid people discussing about if it's moral or not... About the javascript attacks and the like made by brazilians imho I see that it's everywhere on the Internet. The fact is, brazilian youngs uses Internet a lot (including me). We spend more time than others, so this is why the majjority of Internet attacks and the like are connected to Brazil. But, please, don't blame brazilians for that. If USA youngs used Internet on computers more than us, it probably would be different... Henriquevicente 18:59, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Trolling Phenomena 

message: Well, I don't understand why is the article marked for cleanup. My opinion is that it is unnecessary, but I don't think that it would be nice to just remove the template (at least for now). Any comments? algumacoisaqq 15:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup marking 

message: "Brazilian Invasion"?? That's extremely offensive. Plus, it's all a POV rant: I believe it should be removed. --Brazucs 19:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The title is offensive, yes, but a sudden, drastic increase in Brazilian users is noteworthy enough to stay. If you think something in particular is POV, point it out or rephrase it yourself. -- Ashmodai 03:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know who did it, but it looks much better now. algumacoisaqq 02:03, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian Invasion 

message: :Several hate communities focused on racism, Nazism, white supremacy and pedophilia have been deleted due to guideline violation.
I didn't know pedophiliacs can have hate groups. It's not a mainstream topic, but I don't think pedophilia can be classified as a hate ideology akin to racism.
Also the notion of "racism, Nazism [and] white supremacy" sounds awkward. A better expression would be "Neo-Nazism, White Supremacism and other racism" or something like that as Neo-Nazism and White Supremacism are both heavily based on racial hatred, although especially Neo-Nazism is about more than that (especially German Neo-Nazism is a lot about national and cultural superiority, whereas non-German Neo-Nazism is usually just an offspring of White Supremacism, especially in the US).
I guess the easiest way to fix this mess would be to rename the section and rewrite it from scratch. This seems to be more about borderline ideologies and topics than hate groups in particular. Pedophilia by itself is not a crime in most countries, although acting it out is, and racist ideologies seem to be covered by the freedom of speech in the US, thus (legally) "borderline". -- Ashmodai 02:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hate Groups 

message: I seriously think this page has been vandalized. Whoover heard of Jan 45 and 1224 as the starting date of Orkut? 202.161.131.71 10:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This article seems to be NPOV, clean, well documented, and generally well written. What do you think of removing the cleanup tag? TK 10:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear cleanup tag? 

message: Anyone willing to lift out some of the stories from http://www.anthonyhempell.com/papers/orkut/ ? // Gargaj 14:59, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Case studies" 

message: Moved from main article:
(change by Brazilian)
  	+ 	PS: The boy name is Victor Santos, but the girl Katilce Miranda have more scraps (you original profile have ben deleted with record).
  	+ 	Katilce profile (Fake?) : http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=43641368189763842
  	+ 	Victor profile (original) : http://www.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=14349656706307257447
Y'all ought to sort out who the instant celebrity really is...· rodii · 23:53, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instant celebrity 

message: List of social networking websites is currently an AfD candidate.  You are invited to partake in this discussion. Czj 19:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of social networking websites on AfD 

message: It looks like there has been a great deal of discussion around the removal of a cleanup tag here, so I didn't want to put one back on... but here is my comment on one section (obviously it is "relatively well-written" since I am getting a little picky here):
Hate groups
There has recently been controversy revolving around (surrounding? involving?) the use of orkut by various hate groups. Virulent (virulent has a connotation of nastiness spreading quickly which is correct in this context, but it is not explained until the end of the paragraph -- and even then not strongly conveyed) racists allegedly have a solid following there. Because of the invitation-only structure, closed groups of like-minded people are able to thrive (again, if thrive means survive well, it is obvious, but I think the connotation is of reproducing quickly, which again is not explained until the end of the paragraph). Several hate communities (which) focused on racism, Nazism, and white supremacy have been deleted due to guideline violation (violations). However the number of these communities and profiles has not stopped growing because they can be very easily created and it is hard for orkut to check them.  (With all the hints (virulent, thrive) that the racism is actually spreading rapidly, I would think this sentence would use a stronger phrase than "not stopped growing".)
In 2005, various cases of racism were denounced (wrong word -- reported?) to police and reported (maybe they were denounced in the media?) in the Brazilian media. In 2006, a judicial measure was opened ("judicial measure was opened" may be a Brazilian specific court process but it sounds wrong to me) by the Brazil federal justice denouncing (again, wrong use of this word) a 20-year-old student accused with racism against blacks and spreading defamatory content on orkut. Brazilian Federal Justice intimated (wrong word -- compelled?) Google on (in) March 2006 to explain the crimes (missing word --  that?) occurred in orkut.
--DeweyQ 18:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lingering writing problems 

message: Just to make a note: orkut is now, and presumably will remain for the foreseeable future, an invitation only site. Don't delete or change this information, unless you have a verifiable source to prove otherwise. And even if you do have a source, actually check. Go to orkut and try to create a new account without an invitation. tepid 16:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invitation Only 

message: This page could use some cleanup in several categories:
* English grammar
* Citing of sources for claims - Wikipedia:Citing sources
* Eliminating weasel words - Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words
Thanks -- Writtenonsand 14:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: Until recently, orkut was invitation only, but it now permits users to create accounts without an invitation.
When did they change? Before Brasil took over the orkut (I think this expression is enoughly NPOV, since I'm brazilian and think this one looks kinda "Pinky and the Brain" :D ), some people were selling/buying invitaions for nice fees! o_o 200.230.213.152 02:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  invitation 

message: I'm not sure, since it doesn't apper in my orkut, but a friend of mine from orkut in India claims there are Google Ads in the indian orkut... At least in his community... About the community itself, womething that would sell pretty damn good... ()
Also, another thing that sould be stated in the article, I guess, is about the integration with Google talk... 200.230.213.152 02:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads/Google Talk... Integration with Google