Talk:Yahshuah

message: I would like to know who is posting this misinformation on the name of Yahshuah? It is a biased and unlearned position to say that the first people to use the name were Renaissance occultists. Where do we get the names of the prophets that end in ""YAH?  Most people will insist on the Tetragrammaton (which simply means "four letters") wriiten in the Old TEstament of the Bible.  But what is the translation of this name? Is it not a composite of a name(Yah) and a word (ovah -meaning "the Eternal")??
Jesus, on the other hand, is a name first used by occultists, although much earlier than the Renaissance. -- unsigned comment by IP 66.44.125.88 21:49, 29 April 2006
:I am -- as you could have easily seen from the edit history (if you knew what you were doing).  It's a relatively simple ascertainable historical fact that the name of Jesus in Hebrew ( ישוע or יהושע ) does not end with an "h" consonant or letter he ה, and has never ended with an "h" consonant or letter he ה.  The names of prophets that end in Yah are spelled with יה at the end in Hebrew, and NOT with the letter `Ayin ע at the end (as the original form of the name of Jesus was).  This `Ayin consonant letter ע at the end of the original form of the name of Jesus in Hebrew/Aramaic represents a voiced pharyngeal sound -- which is not an "h" consonant, is not transcribed as an "h" consonant by any knowledgeable scholars or linguists, and is rarely if ever confused with a letter ה in writing.
:Furthermore, the name of Jesus in Greek Ιησους does not end with an "h" consonant and has never ended with an "h" consonant -- and similarly with Latin IESVS (or "Jesus" as it's written nowadays, since we have the distinction between upper-case and lower-case letters, and the distinction between "I"/"J" and "U"/"V").  Note that the ancient Greek spelling Iota-eta-sigma-omicron-upsilon-sigma (Ιησους) was actually the closest possible adaptation or borrowing of the ancient Hebrew/Aramaic name Yêshû` (yod-shin-waw-`ayin) into Greek which the rules of the sound-system and morphology of Greek would allow, since the ancient Greek language did not have any voiced pharyngeal `Ayin consonant or palatal sibilant [š] ("sh") sound, and insofar as a [y] consonant sound existed, it was phonologically just a variant of the [i] vowel.  So there were simply no separate Greek letters to write the sounds  `Ayin, "sh", or "y".  And in late Hellenistic Greek, omicron-upsilon was pronounced as a simple long [u] vowel (the [u] in Yêshû` is also long).  And finally, if a noun or name was to be "declined" in Greek (i.e. have distinct forms for at least some of the nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, and vocative morphological cases), then it needed to have appropriate Greek grammatical endings added on at the end -- and "s" was an extremely common ending in the masculine nominative singular.  So Iêsous (spelling Ιησους representing a pronunciation [yêsûs]) is the nearest that ancient Greek could get to Hebrew and/or Aramaic Yêshû` while obeying the rules of ancient Greek grammar.  And Latin IESVS (modern spelling "Jesus", for the reasons explained above) was a quite natural adaptation of Greek ΙΗΣΟΥΣ (with minimal change to the Greek form being borrowed into Latin).  "Occultists" were not involved.  It's all explained at http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/yeshua-yasu-isa.htm 17:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is some guys original research obviously. They don't like being asked to cite refrences as they keep removing the request from the top of the page. --Teacherbrock (talk) 13:40, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Who is the "they" who keep removing the "unreferenced" template from the top of this article, and which edit diffs display this behavior on the part of "they" (whoever "they" may be)? -- AnonMoos (talk) 17:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Matters connected with the Tetragrammaton are discussed on the Tetragrammaton page, but you should be aware that Semitic etymologies almost always proceed by Triliteral roots, and that no Semitic lexical elements begin with vowels (so that "owah" is impossible as a Hebrew lexical element, and furthermore, does not exist as a word meaning "eternal" in the Hebrew language).  Most etymological speculation traces the Tetragrammaton back to a triconsonantal root H-W-Y meaning "to be, exist" (as in Exodus 3:14). AnonMoos 17:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Jesus

message: :Matters connected with the Tetragrammaton are discussed on the Tetragrammaton page, but you should be aware that Semitic etymologies almost always proceed by Triliteral roots, and that no Semitic lexical elements begin with vowels (so that "owah" is impossible as a Hebrew lexical element, and furthermore, does not exist as a word meaning "eternal" in the Hebrew language).  Most etymological speculation traces the Tetragrammaton back to a triconsonantal root H-W-Y meaning "to be, exist" (as in Exodus 3:14). AnonMoos 17:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tetragrammaton

message: AnonMoos (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Another quasi-occultistic graphic with Pentagrammaton

message: See Talk:Yahshua#Merge regarding a proposal to merge the articles Yahshuah and Yahshua. --AuthorityTam (talk) 21:23, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Yahshua-Yahshuah

message: In the article's current form, the name "Pentagrammaton" would probably make more sense... AnonMoos (talk) 14:49, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Maybe rename to Pentagrammaton?