Talk:Netherlandish Proverbs

message: Plenty of them could be translated much much better than they are in the current revision, if I have the time I'll see if I can work on it.
77.165.209.212 (talk) 18:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The translations of the proverbs are *very* rough 

message: Do we happen to know what proverb the eye on the house with the scissors opened under it represent?  It's on the house with the fool playing cards.  That one particularly piques my interests.  -- Somarinoa (talk) 05:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that the scissors (shears) themselves represent the idiom Daar hangt de schaar uit ("there the shears hang out" = you will be cheated there) – referring to an establishment where you are likely to have to "pay through the nose" – and I strongly suspect that the eye is a reference to the similarly themed Door het oog van de schaar trekken  ("pull through the eye [fingerholes] of the shears" = cheat, win or profit dishonestly). Literally the shears refer to the activities of cutpurses (thieves, pickpockets). --Picapica (talk) 18:24, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The eye & the scissors 

message: Near the man carrying the day in buckets is a face in a window. Above the man a pot is falling. It seems like it may hit him. Is this something?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.52.70 (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other proverbs 

message: "To stand in one's own light" is translated as being proud of oneself. Isn't it the opposite? There's a very similar phrase in English which actually means something to the effect of being one's own worst enemy, or obstructing one's own progress. I don't speak Dutch and don't know the gist of the original; can anyone comment? Madgenberyl (talk) 16:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you are right. Just as "to stand in someone's light" is a figurative way of saying "to obstruct someone (in their purpose)", so "to stand in one's own light" is to be an obstruction to oneself. And that is true of the Dutch idiom too: in zijn eigen licht staan (of zijn) ("stand (or be) in one's own light" means zich zelven een hindernis of beletsel zijn, tegen zijn eigen geluk of voordeel zijn ("be an obstacle or impediment to oneself, behave contrarily to one's own happiness or advantage"). See etymologiebank.nl. I have amended the article accordingly. --Picapica (talk) 18:40, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stand in one's own light? 

message: I have been working on a system for  annotating high-resolution images, called ImageDiver, and have used it to create an  album   for The Netherlandish Proverbs. The album mirrors   exactly the table of extracted images on the Wikipedia page.
I request that a link to this page be added to the external links section, reading perhaps:
The Netherlandish Proverbs, Zoomable and Annotated
In my own opinion, the ImageDiver page can aid a reader's understanding of the painting, since it
allows the reader to see at a glance where illustrations of proverbs appear. The same kind of understanding can be gleaned from the table of extracted images on the Wikipedia page, but only with substantial effort. 
As the author of ImageDiver, I have a conflict of interest, but hope that other editors will agree that the link will be helpful to Wikipedia readers, on the merits.
ImageDiver is a personal, not a corporate, project. I am not representing anyone else nor any other entity in this.   ImageDiver albums are hosted at Amazon's S3.
In this note, I have attempted to adhere to Wikipedia:Suggestions_for_COI_compliance.
ChrisGoad (talk) 17:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice addition to the article. Added. Woz2 (talk) 18:27, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed external link 

message: Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that :File:Pieter Brueghel the Elder - The Dutch Proverbs - Google Art Project.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on April 17, 2013. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2013-04-17. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:File:Pieter Brueghel the Elder - The Dutch Proverbs - Google Art Project.jpg]] to appear as POTD 

message: I propose to merge The Blue Cloak into Netherlandish Proverbs. I don't think it's clear what the topic of the Blue Cloak article even is. It seems that The Blue Cloak was a working title for the Netherlandish Proverbs painting, and much of the Blue Cloak article seems to be devoted to describing specific aspects and of the artist's painting, and inspirations for it, throughout its development. I also don't think that merging The Blue Cloak into Netherlandish Proverbs will cause any problems in regards to article size. –Matthew - (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looking back on this, I maintain that I think it's very unclear what the article "The Blue Cloak" is actually about. The article's opening sentence, at the time that I proposed this merger and also at the time I'm typing this reply, refers to it as an "old title" for a painting by Pieter Bruegel the Elder "with a series" of Netherlandish Proverbs. I find the wording of that sentence to be pretty confusing to begin with, but then the Blue Cloak article goes on (as Jane pointed out) to list various interpretations and implementations of cloaks (or "huiks") in metaphors and artwork. So is the article about the painting Netherlandish Proverbs, which is apparently also known by the title The Blue Cloak? Does it refer to a "series" of paintings called Netherlandish Proverbs? Is "the blue cloak" a proverb? Is it a recurring artistic motif? Is it all of the above? If it shouldn't be merged into the Netherlandish Proverbs, then something else definitely needs to be done, because in its current state, the Blue Cloak article is confusing and severely lacking in sources. –Matthew - (talk) 23:21, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

text: Yes Breughel fanatics are also still unclear whether the painting came before or after the popular engravings by the same title by Hogenberg & the Deuticum brothers. Last year there was a big Brueghel exhibition that might establish more clarity. It's funny how popularity sometimes makes it harder, not easier, to source the older stuff. What is also odd in general is the blue color that seems to be all over Breughel's peasants. It's not clear why the color blue was significant. Jane (talk) 18:12, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved some of the material and closed the merge proposal; very happy if other would prefer a different arrangement. Klbrain (talk) 10:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal