Talk:Mendoza Line

message: :"The Mendoza line is actually, Hitting below your weight. For instance, Bob Eucker weighed 215 during his career but he dipped below the mendoza line twice in his career, batting .208 fopr a stint in 1971, and again in 1972."
--Anchoress 06:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed the following paragraph from the 'External links' section 

message: The Uecker business is uncited and smells like original research.  69.214.158.244 00:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uecker 

message: This explanation makes no sense:
"The origin of the term is clouded. Peter Gammons believes that the line was originally named after Eric Salinas, a member of the Roberto Clemente All-Stars and scouted by the Cincinnati Reds while only 14."
How does this explain where the name "Mendoza" came about?
Jxyama 00:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Makes no sense 

message: Mendoza Line ? Or Mendoza line ?  The Curious Origins article uses both - both mostly small l. -- Beardo 23:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: The result was no consensus. -- Groupthink 11:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mario Mendoza article & this one should be merged

message: Putting Keith Olbermann into this discussion makes it not funny anymore138.163.0.44 (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 13:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olbermann 

message: I removed the "Heroes" section which appeared without explanation or citations. It's not relevant to include every player, going back to the 19th century, that performed worse than Mendoza did. White 720 (talk) 19:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heroes 

message: The Mendoza line initially meant anyone who was not hitting his weight. If a guy was hitting .188 and weighed 200 he was below the Mendoza line. 
I seem to recall this was because Mendoza gained weight during the off season and his average fell to below his new weight.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.78.56.72 (talk) 21:25, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The real meaning 

message: "The Mendoza line is actually named after Minnie Mendoza, a career minor leaguer, who finally made it with the Minnesota Twins in 1970 At age 36. Mendoza hit .188 in sixteen games with the Twins that year. I remember seeing the term Mendoza Line first mentioned in The Sporting News in either 1970 or 1971. It mentioned that some hitters could not even get their averages above the Mendoza Line. It then stated that the term was named after the Twins light hitting infielder Minnie Mendoza. Mario did not come along until 1974. It burns me every time I hear an announcer Mention Mario instead of Minnie when referring to the Mendoza Line. Long live Minnie!"
http://www.bostonbaseball.com/whitesox/baseball_extras/mendoza.html  twfowler (talk) 20:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minnie Mendoza, no Mario? 

message: I know that traditionally the Mendoza Line refers to batting average, but here's my question...
Are there any known instances of a team finishing a season with a win-loss record below the Mendoza Line?
Blozier2006 (talk) 09:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The 1899 Cleveland Spiders of the National League won 20 and lost 134, for an average of .129  There were probably others as well. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate use of term... 

message: An editor is asserting, repeatedly, that the following paragraph should be included:\
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But it shouldn't. Let us ask ourselves:
*Is "Mason-Dixon line" (in this sense) in general use among sportwriters, the general public, or anyone? No, it's not.
*Has "Mason-Dixon line" (in this sense) been used, even once, by a sportswriter or any columnist or other professional writer, in print, in any publication of any kind, ever? No, it hasn't.
*Does anyone outside of a very small population of very dedicated fans and professional baseball historians remember who Jim Mason and Leo Dixon even are? No, they don't.
*If anyone used "Mason-Dixon line" (in this sense) in print or in conversation, without first explaining what he meant, would anyone understand him? No, they wouldn't.
*Are there any sources at all, reliable or unreliable, notable or unnotable, that reference "Mason-Dixon line" (in this sense)? No there aren't.
So why are we even having this conversation? It's very wrongheaded to keep re-inserting this paragraph, its inclusion would violate several Wikipedia rules and guidelines, and it's not going to be included, so let's stop wasting time and move on. That is my opinion. Counter-arguments are welcome. If I'm wrong about this, show me how and where. Herostratus (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like known that I did not re-insert the paragraph; rather I added a clarification explaining who Mason and Dixon were since otherwise the reference to them was quite mysterious, and I very much object to the edit by  which implies that I'm involved in an edit war. I came here as an editor interested in baseball with no prior involvement in the article. Whether this particular usage is noteworthy is unclear to me; there's definitely discussion in the sports world about the appropriateness of the moniker (that is, the concept of the Mendoza line is valid; whether Mendoza is the best exemplar is up for debate).  Mackensen (talk) 17:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't mention any names, did not say that there was an edit war (just that someone was being insistent), and don't know who any of the players are here. I certainly don't hold any ill will against Mackensen or anyone else, and didn't mean to imply that you did anything wrong. Certainly it was OK and fine to insert links into the material. I'm just saying that the material itself, links or no, is problematic. I didn't read the history closely, but I think I'm properly using WP:BRD here: someone inserted the paragraph, someone else (me) reverted to the version before the paragraph was inserted, and now we get to discuss it. Hey, I could be wrong about this, I'm wrong often enough, so let's show me where I am wrong. I just don't think we want to be going down the path where "One person wrote in a blog comment section that it would be cool if people started calling the state of Minnesota 'MinneSO-WHAT' instead" and so forth is included in articles even if it is true. Herostratus (talk) 18:16, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mason-Dixon line 

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