Talk:Randy Shughart

message: "Randy" is more common. --Jiang 02:00, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto - UtherSRG 03:11, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

text: Because when search engines list pages they use the title of the page as the main link. Being detailed and precise in the title removes all confussion from users of what they should click. For example, if they see a page titled "Randy Shughart" and one named "SFC Randall 'Randy' Shughart (US Army)" which one do you think they would click? Check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision). Btw, before you use Google Fight as a resource, you should do a deep through of the search. If you didn't notice, most of the pages that come up with "Randy Shughart" have the title "SFC Randall Shughart". IMO, the page should be moved to SFC Randall 'Randy' Shughart (US Army), but that's just me. :) --Maio 12:52, Jan 16, 2004 (UTC)
The proper US military naming convention would be SFC Randall "Randy" Shughart, USA.  Or  Sergeant First Class Randall "Randy" Shughart, U.S. Army. Or SFC Randall "Randy" Shughart, U.S. Army. (most commonly used.) Swatjester 07:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Amen to that Douglasnicol 22:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seconded. A Sniper shot seems more poetic justice though IMHO. Mcase07 (talk) 20:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved:

message: "only" "intense", c'mon, these words like these make this a novelization of a movie, not an encyclopaedic entry.  Fix it up. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 07:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: Was it ever recovered or what. Gary Gordon's page says nothing about this either. The army didn't just leave them behind did they? - Tronno ( t | c ) 06:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Incorrect sir. Yes MSG. Shughart's body was recovered after several days. The infamous picture of the US Soldier being dragged shirtless through the street was not either of the CAG Snipers. It was of crew chief Cleveland. Please re-read the annotations in Black Hawk Down (book) Mcase07 (talk) 20:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The family friend mentioned that, although unidentifiable, his body was intact. Dissentor (talk) 11:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

text: I think the argument should be mute. Regardless, who it was, the families should be considered here! And Aidid was captured. They used him to get the bodies back. Just saying. The fact that it was such a long time held up and pinned down,with severely wounded soldiers should be the focus of the attention. Johnkrags (talk) 07:20, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: What happened to his body?

message: The Biography section is not a biography, but rather a rehash, practically verbatim, of the events leading up to Shughart's death as published here. While the information on that site is in the public domain, and should be included here somehow, a proper biography still should be here.
As for the Medal of Honor citation section, it's a mess, repeating almost word-for-word what was cut and pasted above. That's just stupidity or laziness, or both. Alcarillo 17:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already stared cleaning up the article on Shughart's teammante, Gary Gordon. There I edited down to the essentials the actions leading to their deaths. I think the text on Gordon's page could easily be adapted for this one.Alcarillo 15:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not the article people , it's the cover up, it's what you don't see that is the problem. Am now working toward correcting a few miss conceptions. To bring out the true events and how they went down, from insubordination to utter lies! Johnkrags (talk) 07:42, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Article needs attention

message: So in passing I noticed that this page states that he was part of a two man sniper team. I recall Mark Bowden writing that it was a three man team, but one of the Blackhawk's crew chiefs was injured and the third sniper took control of the mini-gun. I'll look for the page right now. Does anyone else recall this?- Yes. Page 178 of the book states the third team member was Sergeant First Class Brad Hallings.Jslowik 02:23, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: it was three men team not three snipers. Hall got part of his lower leg blown off you see, by R.P.G.. Johnkrags (talk) 13:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Brad Hallings took command after the crew chief was wounded and unable to man the M137. Hallings took over and there are rumors (unsubstantiated) that he swore he would lay down cover for the now 2-man sniper team. Unsubstantiated yes, but the bird was forced to return to formation in orbiting the area. Will read up to confirm. Mcase07 (talk) 20:30, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Team size incorrect?

message: I've read that Shugharts fatehr refused to shake the then president's hand. And despite the fact that multiple webisites, support that claim, the revision stating that is always undone. So WTF? Ref  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cannibalorgydotcomdotnet (talk • contribs) 21:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would direct your attention to Wikipedia's policy on reliable sources. If content is not verifiable, then it cannot be included. The second and third references you cited did not include the content you are using them to cite. This is especially important when living persons (two persons in this case) are involved. ~ S0CO(talk|contribs) 21:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Bowden writes, about two thirds of the way down page 419 in Black Hawk Down, that "At the Medal of Honor ceremony for the two Delta soldiers, I read that the father of posthumous honoree Sergeant Randy Shughart insulted the president, telling him he was not fit to be commander in chief". I assume Bowden meant that he read about his incident taking place AT the Medal of Honor ceremony, NOT that he, Bowden, was AT the Medal of Honor ceremony when he, Bowden, read about the incident (ambiguous grammar in that quote from Bowden's book). Bowden footnotes the book pretty well. If you're looking for something to say about Clinton and the operation/soliders/etc. it's pretty easy to find in the book. - Gwopy 21:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: MOH Ceremony

message: Things like this just sickens me! An American soldier dies in combat and that is what happens in combat. Why does he deserves a page? He is not relevant to the course of history in any way. He wasn't relevant before he died and he ain't relevant after he died. I could make a beautiful page for my deceased great grandmother but I don't since she wasn't important in the course of history. I call for this page to be deleted along with any other page concerning soldiers who died but never did anything else than that --Andersbmeister (talk) 22:17, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Would you mind saying why?  You've also said this in the entry on Master Sergeant Gordon. Douglasnicol 16:26, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be a good thing to delete the false parts of this story. The public has so many misconceptions on the battle. Johnkrags (talk) 07:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Don't feed the troll.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 01:45, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sick

message: I'm going to put a little work into tightening up the article. If anyone passes by with good articles, please drop the links here. Otherwise, I'll be referencing Bowden's book and whatever I find on "the google". - Gwopy 21:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: LINKS: http://www.pbs.org/weta/americanvalor/stories/shughart.html; http://www.pbs.org/weta/americanvalor/stories/durant_interview2.html; http://www.pbs.org/cgi-registry/mediaplayer/videoplayer.cgi?playeraddress=videoplayer.cgi;media=%2Famericanvalor%2Fdurant_56.rm%2C%2Famericanvalor%2Fdurant_220.rm;title=Mike%20Durant;playertemplate=%2Fweta%2Famericanvalor%2Fstories%2Fplayer_template.html; http://www.unitedstates.fm/2angelsfromthechopper.htm (THIS SONG IS HORRIBLE); www.cigaraficionado.com/Cigar/CA_Archives/CA_Show_Article/0,2322,317,00.html; http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ABgmAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j_0FAAAAIBAJ&pg=6914,2293922&dq=randy%20+shughart&hl=en; http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KbsiAAAAIBAJ&sjid=U7UFAAAAIBAJ&pg=4143,1115384&dq=randy%20+shughart&hl=en; http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MWAgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pWUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1259,5549172&dq=randy+shughart&hl=en;  http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/nov16/default16.asp - Gwopy 22:55, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

text: If nobody objects, I am going to reorganize this article to more accurately reflect the typical layout of other Medal of Honor winners. The basic structure will be similar to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Dunham#Dunham.27s_Defense, with "Early Life" separated from "Military Service". Within "Military Service", I will likely create subsections for "Special Forces Training" and "Deployments". Separate sections will be created for "The Battle of Mogadishu" and "Insertion to Protect Super 64". The "Medal of Honor" section with full text of the citation will remain with quotations from Mike Durrant added to the end of the section. I've also found some additional material for further reading related to the article. Cross-references to other wikipedia articles (i.e. Operation Anaconda and others) will be added and some of the language will be cleaned up in order for the article to read more as an encyclopedia article. I encourage everyone to help improve the article with information from the links listed above and/or any information that anyone finds on their own. - Gwopy 00:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup and Citiations

message: This page is a waste of precious disk space. Peace.
If it is such a waste of "precious dick space" then how did you come to find it. Jackass.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.113.5 (talk) 05:10, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: First, if "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject" why then all the forum-like discussion is there on the Talk-page?
Second, and my main 'Talk'-point is that "SnG" in the famous Strider SnG folding knife stands for Shughart and Gordon. (Could also be add to the Gary Gordon page.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.93.78.115 (talk) 23:56, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's not common knowledge, as per the naming of the SnG.  Mick and Duane don't say what the names of the knives mean publicly in most cases.  If you could find a reliable source stating so in a print magazine or knife book, by all means it should be included.  To my knowledge, there are no sources stating such.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 19:16, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strider SnG 

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