Talk:List of presidents of Brazil

message: Does "renounced" mean "resigned"? Art LaPella 23:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: There are several problems with this list as it stands:
- First, this is a list of Presidents, but the list includes, without any special qualification or observation, the names of people who never held that office, and those people are listed with name, picture and dates of service, as if they were Presidents (e.g. members of the Military Juntas of 1930 and 1969; Ranieri Mazilli's first period of service -- in which he was only Acting President until the inauguration of Goulart, etc). One who reads the list has the impression that Isaias de Noronha, for example, was president, and that is not correct, as he was only a member of a Junta.
- Second, Deodoro da Fonseca and Getúlio Vargas served as Heads of the Provisional Government before being elected President in 1891 and 1934, respectively. Deodoro was Head of Provisional Government from November 15th, 1889 until February 1891, and Vargas was Head of Provisional Government from 1930 to 1934. The period served in that capacity should not be confused with the Presidency. One who reads the list has the impression that Deodoro became President in 1889 and that Vargas became president in 1930, which is innacurate. So the list should be changed to reflect two distinct terms of service.
- Regarding Vargas, perhaps the list should also be amended to separate his term before and after his coup d'état of November 10, 1937, when he became a dictator until being deposed in 1945.
- The list says that Tancredo Neves died on the eve of his inauguration; that is plain wrong. He was to be inaugurated on March 15, 1985, when his term would begin. On the eve of inauguration day, he fell ill and was hospitalized, which prevented him from attending his inauguration, but he did not die until April 21, 1985. So, for weeks, there was hope that he would recover and take office.
Vice-President Sarney took the oath of office as Vice-President on March 15, and immediately assumed the powers of the presidency as Acting President. Sarney only assumed the title of President after Tancredo Neves' death on April 21, and a separate joint session of Congress recorded that fact. So it is wrong to say that Neves died on the eve of his inauguration. 
- Also regarding Tancredo Neves, although he died on April 21, 1985, weeks into the term of office to which he was elected, he never took the presidential oath before Congress, as required by Brazil's Constitution, as he was hospitalized on the eve of the inauguration. So, he actually died a President elect, and not a President of Brazil, as his investiture before Congress, required by the Constitution, never took place. For that reason, in honour to his memory, Congress passed, and on the first anniversary of Neves' death President Sarney signed the Law 7.465 of 1986, declaring that Neves should be counted, for all legal intents and purposes, among the Presidents of Brazil. Therefore, he wasn't actually President, but is counted among them by special provision of law, and that fact should also be registered in the list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonio Basto (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I today implemented several changes to the list so as to address the problems mentioned above.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.122.228.125 (talk) 21:34, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Several Problems with the List

message: Adding Dilma Rouseff as the successor of Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, his election victory has just been officially announced in Brazil.
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- Eduardo Sellan III (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but I removed that. She was elected indeed, but she was never a president of Brazil... not yet.” TeLeS (PT @ L C G) 18:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not so, Júlio Prestes and Tancredo Neves also never took possession and are on the list. It is possible that Dilma be unable to assume the Presidency of Brazil, but if this happens it will be recorded in the list even without her taking office. - Eduardo Sellan III (talk) 15:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  - That's right... it's "possible". As you said, she didn't assume the presidency. She is not and never was the president of Brazil and would not be correct to list her on list of "presidents" if she is not. We have to wait until she takes office. By the way, the others were not presidents either.” TeLeS (PT @ L C G) 19:50, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Dilma 

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message: IMHO, Vice President Michel Temer should not be included in the list, as he's not President of Brazil. He's still Vice President & has only assumed the presidential powers & duties as Acting President. GoodDay (talk) 16:41, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, not his turn, yet. Frenditor (talk) 21:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, Portuguese wiki now lists Temer, marked as interim. LookLook36 (talk) 12:04, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So it's wrong then. He "assumed" as much as when the president travels to the exterior. BTW, don't know why there's two articles, but Presidents of Brazil needs a watchful eye too. Frenditor (talk) 12:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Vice President Michel Temer, be included in the list? 

message: Substituted at 21:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Temer's photo needs replacement, as the present photo has the Vice-Presidential Standard in the background.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.91.66.201 (talk) 20:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He has not taken an official photo yet. Zelani (talk) 21:07, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Temer's photo needs replacement due to Vice-Presidential flag in the background

message: I'll add the other periods tomorrow or later this week, probably one timeline per period, but if you guys want me to, I can make one with all of them, all I'd need is to find a new color scheme for some parties with the same colors, probably like they did with the UK one where older parties are darker  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SanQae (talk • contribs) 05:22, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: I noticed that the summary above the list of the Presidents of the second republic (post Vargas' ousting in 1945) fails to mention Kubitschek. It merely says Vargas, following his suicide in 1954, was "followed by a series of short term Presidents." The summary then proceeds to the events leading up to the 1964 coup. Kubitschek was an enormously significant figure in 20th century Brazil, developing the industrial sector enormously, and building Brasilia, the current capital. Would somebody with access to the appropriate sources and expertise be able to write a paragraph? Cheers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.214.62.218 (talk) 01:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary of the Second Republic 

message: Two military presidents who were elected by direct popular vote (Marshal of the Army Hermes da Fonseca and General of the Army Eurico Gaspar Dutra) are recorded as military presidents in the list. If this is the case, should President-elect Jair Bolsonaro also be recorded as a military president, given that he holds a lifelong military patent as a retired Army captain? The same applies to his vice-president elect, General Mourão, who is also a retired military officer. Their situation differs from other military Presidents who were not elected by the people (Deodoro and Floriano, in the First Republic, and the Presidents of the Military Dictatorship), but the situation of the President-elect and of the Vice-President elect is exactly the same as that of Hermes da Fonseca and Eurico Gaspar Dutra. Even the major newpapers reported on the fact that Bolsonaro was the third military officer to be freely and democratically elected President by the people. Thus,should we include the note mentioning him as a military president, or should we exclude the notes currently present at the entries for Presidents Hermes da Fonseca and Eurico Dutra?
:: I removed "military" observation from the entries of Marshal Hermes da Fonseca and General Eurico Dutra, as they were freely elected by the people just like Captain Jair Bolsonaro. All three were retired military officers when elected, but keep the military patent for life as a right, and yet should not be confused with other military presidents who ascended to office by means other than popular vote. Antonio Basto (talk) 23:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Presidents with military patents 

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message: Why do they always remove the photograph of Bolsonaro in this article if it is and is also consistent with its context? It is irrelevant and invalid if this image is not aesthetically pleasing with that of the other presidents, it is invalid and irrelevant because it is purely personal opinion.  Unfortunately, none of the anonymous editors of this article are going to argue with arguments on this article's discussion page which image of Bolsonaro is correct to place, instead they will continue constantly and arbitrarily changing the photo of Bolsonaro that I mention. Oli (talk) 03:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photograph of Bolsonaro with the presidential band