Talk:World War II in Yugoslav Macedonia

message: This seems to be a conflation of the Yugoslav Partisans' term "national liberation war" or "people's liberation war", and Macedonia, but the phrase can't be found in many sources as such. If we're going to use a descriptive title, a more common English phrase would be more suitable. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:00, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There seems to have been a history of improper page moves. One of the remnants of that is that the title Occupation of Yugoslav Macedonia during World War II doesn't redirect here, which seems counterproductive. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  The title and the whole aricle are based on biased Macedonian nationalist views. Guerrilla movement in Macedonia was the weakest in Yugoslavia and in practice until 1943 it does not exist. Until then, pro-Bulgarian feelings were very strong. Only after the capitulation of Italy and the defeat at Stalingrad in 1943, Tito sent his personal envoy, the Montenegrin Serb Tempo and he initiated the resistance movement on Yugoslav base. This article itself is based on communist time written nonsenses. Jingiby (talk) 12:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: FYI, I've previously suggested this article be merged into Yugoslav Front in the short term, and ultimately included within proposed Operation Bora articles Bulgarian occupation of Yugoslav territories, and Albanian occupation of Yugoslav territories. I believe  is on the same page. Peacemaker67  (send... over) 22:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I am. The idea of a Macedonian national liberation war is a relic of wartime politics and the pragmatic historiography created for federal Yugoslavia post-1945. I find the notion a little ironic in 2013, after the "national liberation wars" of the 1990s. The Bulgarian occupation article, on which I am periodically working off-wiki, is badly needed. Srnec (talk) 06:48, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Peacemaker67, more in the Bulgarian Wikipedia the topic is developed in the  article Bulgarian administration in Macedonia, Pomoravlje and Western Thrace (1941-1944). Jingiby (talk) 09:43, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Support the move. It's an interim solution rather than a considered consensus-based one, but it'll do for now. Regards, Peacemaker67  (send... over) 05:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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message: This is a badly biased POV article based mostly on FYROM 'sources' dating 2002 or newer.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.6.247.54 (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Totally ridiculous article. 

message: To certain users pumping imagery with Nazi symbolism, I remind that wikipedia is not an image gallery. For what picture remain, please try to diversify the imagery between left-leaning and right-leaning Macedonians to avoid POV/cherry picking territory. --Beat of the tapan (talk) 12:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi,  I am not pumping imagery with Nazi symbolism. I have uploaded 2 images for balance: a left-leaning and a right-leaning. Also keep in mind that a resolution by the European Parliament from September 19, 2019 has equated Communism with Nazism in Europe. It also calls for the erasure all memorials of totalitarianism across Europe, including memorials dedicated to the Red Army and related guerilas. Regards. Jingiby (talk) 15:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As long as there is a fair representations from both "evils".--Beat of the tapan (talk) 02:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A kind reminder that [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|wikipedia is not an image gallery]]  

message: The description of the image of protesters in Sofia, needs to be corrected. The Map that is the main focus of the image clearly says Independent Macedonia and it is not praising unification with Bulgaria but quite opposite, Macedonia stands alone. The poster banner left of it, says the words One Nation, One King, One Kingdom, that can be referred as some unification but that is just point of view of the viewer. Therefore please make the proper changes of the description.--Forbidden History (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea of Independent Macedonia was interchangeable with the idea about the unification with Bulgaria then. Would yo like just to read the article Independent State of Macedonia. Jingiby (talk) 06:07, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division Macedonian region of southern Yugoslavia 

message: Per lot of reliable secondary and primary sources it was just symbolic. General Erich Schmidt-Richberg did not mention any Partisan units that fought the Germans as soon as they entered Yugoslav territory in Macedonia. Schmidt-Richberg who was chief of staff of Army Group E, only mentioned Bulgarian divisions, which had changed camps and were now fighting the Germans. Stalin told Tito at a meeting then that the Bulgarian army was much superior to Partisans, praising the professionalism of its officers. The Russian officers also treated the Yugoslav Partisans as unknowledgeable and as a second-rate army. The British general Walter Oxley confirms for example that Skopje was liberated by Bulgarian forces, while the Macedonian Partisans remained in the surrounding hills, and came down only to celebrate their entrance to the city. Please stop pushing former Yugoslav and current North Macedonian propaganda here. It is just a fringe view. Jingiby (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The role of the Yugoslav partisan army in the liberation of today North Macedonia.