Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals

message: I've created a new template,, for citing ASM Mammalian Diversity Database. It uses the same module as , which will work identically, but I've updated the code  to fix options that were broken when they changed the website. I thought thus was a good to to create a dedicated template with a documentation page.
For linking to species there are two approaches,:
: 1.) using {para|id}}, optionally with either  or both  and . This links to the explorer page and opens very slowly This links to a new fast taxon page.
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:2.) using the  and  parameters, which links to the treeview page and opens the species infobox.
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: There is a quirk in that their permalink has a url like https://www.mammaldiversity.org/explore.html#genus=Leopardus&species=garleppi&id=1005995 where the genus and species parts don't do anything and only the third id part is needed.  links to this page if all three of the id, genus and species parameters are included as that should be a permalink. The genus+species variant without the id (option 2) is quicker with a better output, but would break if they changed the genus assignment. —  Jts1882 | talk  17:06, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  There are now links of the form https://www.mammaldiversity.org/taxon/$1 (where $1=ID) which open the species info page rapidly. The template has been updated. —  Jts1882 | talk  15:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New citation template for ASM Mammalian Diversity Database 

message: There is a new paper describing new Hylomys species of soft-furred hedgehogs (gymnures) making the news today. Arlo Hinckley, Miguel Camacho-Sanchez, Marcus A H Chua, Manuel Ruedi, Darrin Lunde, Jesús E Maldonado, Hasmahzaiti Omar, Jennifer A Leonard, Melissa T R Hawkins, An integrative taxonomic revision of lesser gymnures (Eulipotyphla: Hylomys) reveals five new species and emerging patterns of local endemism in Tropical East Asia, Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society, 2023;, zlad177, https://doi.org/10.1093/zoolinnean/zlad177 The paper describes two new species from museum species and elevates three subspecies of   Hylomys suillus to species status. The study includes an analysis of mitochondial and nuclear DNA and used morphological and biographical considerations as part of their decision. In part, it confirms earlier studies so is likely to be accepted. It also discusses the conservation and green status, so there may be IUCN assessments in the pipeline. While we should wait on acceptance elsewhere before creating new articles, a mention of the proposal in existing articles is probably warrranted.
The introduction also has a good overview of family Galericinae and discusses other recent changes, like recognition of Otohylomys for the former  Hylomys megalotis. This has been accepted by the MDD (Apr 2023), but hasn't been implemented on Wikipedia. —  Jts1882 | talk  09:05, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I saw the primary author of the paper () started the work on the Hylomys article. I cleaned it up, created some stubs, moved short-tailed gymnure to Javan short-tailed gymnure and left a disambiguation in its place, and updated a bunch of templates and listicles. Whew! That was fun. XD I only tagged some of the listicles as needing an update. I may get back to them later, but I wouldn't be upset if someone else fixed them. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:   I see you have already created the articles, but I thought it worth noting here than the ASM-MDD now recognise the extra five species of Hylomys. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. They are all made. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:52, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  New soft-furred hedgehog (gymnures) species 

message: This wikipedia article List of gray wolf populations by country needs a bit of actualization. However, we do not necessarily need to remove something to add more updated information. We could showcase the progress (or decreases) made by wolf populations with estimates of populations by time.
In "Blanco JC and Sundseth K (2023). The situation of the wolf (Canis lupus) in the European Union – An In-depth Analysis. A report of the N2K Group for DG Environment, European Commission." ()
It is said (page 8) under the sub-section : Updated information on wolf numbers in the European Union
"In 2023, wolves have been detected across all EU Member States except Ireland, Cyprus and Malta, and there are breeding packs in 23 countries. In this analysis, about 20,300 wolves have been estimated in 2023 across the EU, a figure slightly higher than the 19,400 wolves estimated by Boitani et al. (2022) and significantly higher than the 11,193 wolves estimated in 2012. Overall, the number of wolves in the EU is increasing."
There are multiples pertinents tables and figures in this documents (such as table 2.2.1, figure 2.3.1, table 2.4.1 (NOTABLY), table 2.4.2 (Notably), and others)
I'm particularly busy with time. But I felt important to share this updated source that covers most European countries, so that one or many members could help out updating this article, in a cooperative manner. Thank you.Gimly24 (talk) 02:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wolf Populations from Blanco and Sundseth (2023). The situation of the wolf (Canis lupus) in the European Union.  

message: There's a conflict on Wikipedia regarding how many subspecies of grizzly bear there are. The intro text on the grizzly bear page (which mentions other North American brown bear subspecies besides U. a. horribilis) directly contradicts the page's taxobox (which treats all non-ABC Islands NA bears as being U. a. horribilis and lists the rest as "former subspecies now synonymized"). The pages for California grizzly bear, Mexican grizzly bear and Ungava brown bear treat them as extinct populations of U. a. horribilis, while the pages for other North American brown bears, as well as subspecies of brown bear, treat all these populations as distinct subspecies.
The approach should certainly be consistent across pages, but what approach should be taken? Miller et al. 2006 suggested that previous subspecies definitions of non-ABC Islands bears didn't line up with mtDNA, but made no specific synonymizations. I'm not aware of other recent works that explicitly support lumping of North American bear subspecies (but please link them if you know of any). Mychajliw et al. 2024 provisionally considered at least the California grizzly bear as a distinct subspecies, following ITIS and Wilson and Reeder 2005, but in the SOM acknowledged Miller et al. 2006 and highlighted that further work on grizzly bear taxonomy is needed. Personally, I think that the subspecies should be treated as separate here unless there's explicit support for lumping in the literature. What do you all think? Shuvuuia (talk) 01:24, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The Handbook of Mammals of the World still recognized 14 extant subspecies, and the text seems to imply that two extinct subspecies (californicus and crowtheri) are also still valid. Ucucha (talk) 15:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

text: I've went ahead and made edits. If no taxonomic authority supports NA grizzly bear synonymy, and since Miller et al. 2006 does not perform an explicit taxonomic revision, I would argue it is misleading to present the synonymy as a done deal. Better to explain that things are uncertain at the moment (e.g. de Jong et al. 2023 recovered Kodiak and Alaskan Peninsula bears as within a Eurasian clade and separate from other North American bears entirely) and further work is needed. Shuvuuia (talk) 20:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grizzly bear subspecies 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Riversleigh rainforest koala#Requested move 24 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 00:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Riversleigh rainforest koala#Requested move 24 February 2024]]