Talk:Royal Canadian Mounted Police

message: It is getting a bit tiresome having to amend the translation of Maintiens le droit. I think some of these translations must be coming from users who have no knowledge of French. If that describes you, would you please desist from posting translations, even if you find said translation at a source, as there seem to be plenty of RCMP officers who know no French.
Maintiens le droit does not mean "Maintain the right" (and yes, I know that online translation websites will translate it that way, but they are notorious for not realizing what the context is). This would be Maintiens le bien in French. Le droit only means "the right" in French if the speaker or writer means "the unassailable entitlement", such as the right to a fair trial by one's peers or a citizen's right to vote in elections (which is what the online translation websites assume, not knowing the context). "Defend the law" is a bit of a free translation (ie somewhat inexact), but perhaps a fair one. "Maintain the right", on the other hand, is a load of guff.
Maintiens le droit means "Uphold the law".Kelisi (talk) 02:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Reverted to the previous phrasing.  The translations are not coming from Google, or people who are unfamiliar with French.  They are coming from three Canadian government cites:  the Gov Gen's grant of the badge and motto, and two RCMP webpages.  We have to rely on the what the reliable cites say, not personal opinions.  If you have a reliable cite that contradicts the GovGen's and the RCMP's own websites, please provide it.  Otherwise, I think we have to keep with what the Gov Gen and the RCMP give as the meaning of the motto.  Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:03, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not reliable sites just because they are government sites, and I was stating facts, not opinions. I remind you that the Governor General only recently began learning French; so what might she know about the RCMP's motto? Why don't you contact a few bilingual francophone Wikipedians? You ought to consider them a more reliable source than any website maintained by people who don't speak French (and you are wrong about the translations not coming from people who are unfamiliar with French, I assure you). You obviously don't speak French yourself, but I do. Cette traduction n’est pas juste. Elle a été faite par quelqu’un dont les connaissances du français étaient minimales. Je devrais mentionner aussi que les références à l’autorité sont une faute de logique. On ne peut pas présumer que c’est un fait seulement parce que c’est une autorité qui le déclare.Kelisi (talk) 04:28, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  just as Wikipedia is not a reliable source, neither are individual wikipedians. « Because a wikipedian says so » is WO:ORIGINAL and therefore not allowed. Not is it a logical error to appeal to authority;  Wikipedia is based on the concept of reliable sources, which is intrinsically an appeal to authority, rather than personal knowledge.  I would also disagree with your statement that government websites are not reliable sources.  Nor it is appropriate for you to make personal attacks by questioning other editors’ knowledge sets. Finally, since the purpose of a talk page is to allow all interested editors to participate in the discussion, I would suggest that you should make your comments in the language of the particular variant of Wikipedia in which you are posting.  Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 05:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Maintiens le droit'' 

message: As of 2023, the RCMP has a new guidon, and the photo needs to be updated. https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/guidon 128.189.152.10 (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Guidon