Talk:Paul Kurtz

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:Though Paul Kurtz claims to support skepticism and reason, he seriously believes that the "historical" Jesus has already, or will be found soon. See such theologians as Gerd Luedemann and John Allegro. Kurtz is an easy mark for religious and ancient historical quackery disguised as skepticism, even though Kurtz is ardently antireligious himself.
As is, this appears to be nothing but a POV attack on Kurtz. -- The Anome 18:15, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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message: I removed a couple of books not written by Kurtz from the list, since a list of every tome touching on topics Kurtz has discussed would stretch from here to the next server and back. - DavidWBrooks 18:29, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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:"According to some accounts Kurtz was largely responsible for the secularization of Humanism. Before Kurtz embraced the term "Secular Humanism," which was coined by fundementalist Christians in the 1980s, Humanism was more widely percieved as a religion that did not include the supernatural. Kurtz used the publicity generated by fundementalist preachers to grow the membership of the Council of Secular Humanism, and remove the religious aspects found in the original Humanist movement.
:A former co-president of International Humanist and Ethical Union, Kurtz became disillusioned with its policies and leadership. His dream project is the Center for Inquiry International, which he hopes will become a center of secular study."
The lead in sentance is acceptable but is little more than a set up to cheerlead that POV. As other Wikipedia articles show, use of the term "Secular Humanism" was clearly in use and understood during the 1960s and 1970s. The categorization of "Humanism" as a religion, or religious belief, was highly debated before the 1980s and still is a topic of intense debate. There is no indication in this writing to distinguish what these so-called "religious aspects" might have been nor what constitutes the "original Humanist movement". This also lacked any internal wiki linking as would be appropriate for such terms as "Humanist" and the "Center for Inquiry".
It is also worth noting the contradiction between the assertions of this article and the notably dogmatic & evangelical stance of the Center for Inquiry.
Vassyana 00:34, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is likely to be the stumbling block: "According to some accounts Kurtz was largely responsible for the secularization of Humanism." ... because there's no support in the article for a very sweeping ("largely responsible") statement. If you want it to stay, you need to put in some scaffolding: What accounts? Can you link to any? What exactly did Kurtz do - give speeches? Rewrite manifestos? Harangue on street corners? Didn't anybody else do anything, too - if so, how come we say he's the prime driver? - DavidWBrooks 19:38, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: could this be mentioned somewhere in the article
Planetary Ethics
--voodoom 02:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Planetary Ethics? 

message: I have suggested that the contents of the article Eupraxsophy be merged here. The word is a neologism coined by Kurtz, and is not in commmon currency even among the secular humanists that it is supposed to help categorize. Though I started the article, I believe it ought to be merged with the biographical article for this reason. Rohirok 15:27, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Un-merged the Eupraxsophy since numerous other pages about Humanism and secular humanism refer to the term. While I understand your thinking that since it was/is a neologism coined by Kurtz and is not widely used, that relevant information about the term, what it means, etc. is buried within the Kurtz article and thus not a useful or relevant to the many pages that refer to the term itself. Lestatdelc 22:10, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with Rohirok. The Eupraxsophy article is a stub that only makes sense within this article. —Cesar Tort 06:50, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

text: No merge two separate issues. The other will be expanded. FGT2 08:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Lestatdelc, and it is more widely used than you think among the academic sect in which it is used. Thorne N. Melcher 00:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Having eupraxsophy redirect to a long biography would be very confusing, and the word *is* used in academia. I'm going to remove the merge tags, unless there are strong objections. Gsnixon 22:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No objection from me.  Bubba73 (talk), 23:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Eupraxsophy has been discussed in papers widely. Allthough new, it is a widely used word.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.54.136 (talk) 18:07, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

text:  Like which ones? --Adoniscik(t, c) 00:17, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Please unmerge Eupraxsophy from this biography.  I was reading about Eudaemonia and was really confused about the improper redirection to a person, instead of the idea I was interested in & clicked on.  Ace Frahm (talk) 09:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from Eupraxsophy

message: I added text about Kurtz’s resignations.  I’m not sure how to properly add a source citation.  My source is as follows:  Free Inquiry Magazine: August / September 2010 - Volume 30 Number 5
http://secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=fi&page=kurtz_resigns  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwp13 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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message: I've just tagged the "List of Jewish scientists and philosophers" in the See Also section with a citation needed because I cannot find a source of it on the internet. Information on this subject, much appreciated. 201.137.78.105 (talk) 03:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find Kurtz in that list, although it fragments into so many sub-pages I may have missed it. Since the main article doesn't mention religion and doesn't support the contention, I have removed both of those See Also lists. If any relious background or ancestry is deemed important enoug to mention there, it should be in his article first. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you David. I think it's important in the biographical section to mention ancestry. Hope that in the future another editor finds a reliable source and clarifies this question. Just curious, since I’m not an American and am not familiar with Jewish or purely Anglo-Saxon last names. I only remember that last name, Kurtz, in the Apocalypse Now movie, played by Marlon Brando. Is it a gentile name? --Cesar Tort 18:17, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a name, that's all that I know. It doesn't come with a label. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 22:02, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Labeling someone who has helped me so much with his work would never enter my mind. I just had the impression that Wikipedia articles mention the family background of notable people, whether Christian, Jewish or Muslim. These sort of info always helps. Cheers. --Cesar Tort 23:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Dr Kurtz of Jewish ancestry? 

message: Does anyone else see the hometown "a" in the upper right with the basic information of Kurtz?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.240.27.173 (talk) 01:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the extra "a" in the infobox. It must have been an artifact from all the speed editing over the last few days. Allecher (talk) 15:23, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
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