Talk:Student television in the United Kingdom

message: Nasta is there because its the organisation that is the leading orgabisation in student TV and it plays an imporant part as such. There is only 1 source i can get my material from and that is the nasta website... im sorry if thats not a good enough source for you but that page has a right to be there and why when you type in nasta should you be redirected to something thats a completely different subject? This makes the nasta wiki page almost inaccessable which doesnt make sense seem as though there is so much information on there that is relivent and you wont find anywhere else in the future as nasta doesnt have a history section... So please dont remove the page again or i will have to report you for valdalism... because thats what it is the removing of suitable descriptive material Xrateddan (talk) 08:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NaSTA 

message: The Independent article reads like a push piece and is quite similar in content to the old Nasta article so it could well be an incestuous source, which British papers are famous for. Sherzo (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliability of Independent source

message: Does anyone know what this flurry of edits is about, it seems reading the "source" its a mixture of infighting and an attempt to hid this for fear of damaging nasta image, though Wiki doesn't censor if this problem isn't notable or 3rd party sourced then it shouldn't be on wiki anyways Sherzo (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nasta Edit war

message: There are very few secondary sources for this student TV article, mainly because no one generally outside the students really bothers with student TV. So really other than sticking to material that can be referenced, there would be no article for student TV. 
Is there vaildity to having an article? Because when FACT is put in this article it gets deleted because of no secondary source, well all the article has hardly no sources on it, so is there a point in having an article? Xrateddan (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: short answer is yes. Just because there are not very many secondary sources doesn't mean it doesn't belong in wikipedia. Infact I'd say that it is important for wp to have articles on subjects generally not covered elsewhere. --cloudo (talk) 20:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, but whenever i put stuff up it gets deleted, i know for a fact that Ore Oduba was NsSTA best male in 2008 now he presents newsround. But if i put that in the article it will be deleted, so what is the wikipedia stance on things that are known as fact by a number of people but there is no eveidence on the internet... My feeling is that the article needs expanding as student TV is expanding but any expansion is held back by people deleting none sourced content. Xrateddan (talk) 21:17, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there really no sources for this stuff? Royal Television Society an article by him in a student paper about loughborough uni a blog mentioning the nasta win. I would imagine that even if there weren't these sources, then either the university of loughbourgh would publish an interview with him about starting out on LUSTV or you could get something similar published somewhere. For example I found a lot of similar citations for the Subcity Radio article.
I don't know the wiki policy on having uncited 'facts' in articles though tbh. --cloudo (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text:  Just looked it up and unless you are saying something that is obviously true like london is the capital of england or that the sky is blue it has to be cited http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability
The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation.[1] The source cited must unambiguously support the information as it is presented in the article.[2] The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question. Editors should cite sources fully, providing as much publication information as possible, including page numbers when citing books.
If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it.
Any material lacking a reliable source may be removed, but how quickly this should happen depends on the material in question and the overall state of the article. Editors might object if you remove material without giving them enough time to provide references, especially in an underdeveloped article. It has always been good practice to make reasonable efforts to find sources oneself that support such material, and cite them.
 
--cloudo (talk) 23:56, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources for this article 

message: This bit of the article makes no sense at all, MTVU is a channel directed at students, not made by students so i dont think ths bit of the article should be there as it has no validity Xrateddan (talk) 17:12, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison to student TV in the United States 

message: Where the hell did all the articles on NaSTA/the individual stations go? This article is completely meaningless. I mean seriously, I was in one of these stations not long ago and this is just... weird. 130.209.6.40 (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why this article?

message: This article has severe problems, It should be entirely rewritten using reliable sources, If this isn't possible then what material is salvageable should be merged to Television in the United Kingdom or the like. Nasta section in particular is self agrandising without any real sources.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.101.44 (talk) 12:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Severe Problems

message: The article should be renamed Student Television in the United Kingdom, to fit the style of other such articles and avoid any problems regarding the inclusion of a Northern Irish university.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.101.44 (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made this change, as I agree Alex Muller 13:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change

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replies: text: Done --Redrose64 (talk) 08:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for this, Redrose64! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 17:03, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rcats needed 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This article needs some further work;
- More focus on what Student TV is how does it differ from any community television or youtube production (thus justifying a distinct article) at present it jumps straight into history
- Basic facts, how many Student TV stations are there? what is the average budget? what sort of output do they produce? do they use ads or are they funded by the universities? are these endorsed by the uni or can anyone set them up from their dorm? maybe a table of the tv stations that have existed, could be created. Name, University, Years active, distribution method, core content, awards.
- Better sourcing, I appreciate this can be hard with more niche subjects but it really needs better sources. 
Anyway I hope those suggestions help improve the article  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:DA42:200:20D9:AD76:69F0:C74B (talk) 09:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incomplete 

message: So further to my suggestion, I found this list in a talk archive that could be used as the basis of a table
Air TV - University of Stirling
Bloomsbury TV - University College London
BuffTV - Bournemouth University
C4TV Canterbury Christ Church University
Cam Crew TV - University of Plymouth
CTN - University College Dublin
CTV - University of Bath
CUTE TV - University of Cambridge
Demon TV De Montfort University
FX:TV - University College Falmouth
GlamTV - University of Glamorgan
Guild Television/GTV University of Birmingham
GUST University of Glasgow
LooSE TV London School of Economics
LS:TV University of Leeds
LSUTV Loughborough University
LUST University of Leicester
MUSTV - University of Manchester
Matt'N'Ian TV
Nerve* TV - University of Bournemouth
Nexus TV University of East Anglia
R:TV - University of Essex
SPARK TV - University of Lincoln
SJCTV - St John's College, Oxford
stoic tv Imperial College London
Susu.tv - University of Southampton
Trent TV - Nottingham Trent University
UDSUTV - University of Derby
YSTV University of York
Winstanley TV - Winstanley College
Warwick Television University of Warwick
XTV - University of Exeter  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:DA42:200:20D9:AD76:69F0:C74B (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential table 

message: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/12/17/25-vloggers-under-25-who-are-owning-the-world-of-youtube_n_6340280.html
I think the article probably also needs to have a rewrite to focus more on students who vlog, youtuber etc as since this article was created this would seem to have overtaken more traditional styles of student television in notability.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:DA42:200:20D9:AD76:69F0:C74B (talk) 10:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vloggers Youtubers etc