Talk:Bio Booster Armor Guyver

message: the Japanese rendering of which is kikakugaihin (lit. "not standardized" or "not to specification" but is usually (and erroneously) rendered as "out of control").......................
could do with some elaboration. 
have been in touch with the guyver community for a LONG time and never EVER heard of this term. 
where did this information originate?
:It comes from the manga. Murakami probably explained it to the gang near the mountain, before Guyot showed up. --KJ 03:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, he did, in volume 4, episode 26. Oswald Lisker mentions it too, in volume 1, episode 3. --KJ 04:00, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: The soundtrack for Guyver: Out of Control (which was never realeased in the US) has the title written in English as well, and it is translated as Guyver: Unit Out of Standardized. Onikage725 11:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Kikakugaihin

message: The current content in the plot section isn't really a summary of the plot; it just seems like an explanation of the back-story, at first glance. --KJ 03:49, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Guyver#Plot|Plot]] 

message: Malmot probably isn't a proper noun. It's probably a romanization of the Japanese word for guinea pig/test animal, マルモット and モルモット. (Marumotto and morumotto.) --KJ 07:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malmot 

message: the official names are printed in the original manga for many characters.
YET, they keep being changed to other versions...
if whoever changes them is reading this, can you please stop. 
obtain the oficial sources and then you will see the official names.
:Agreed; however there are a few characters that have conflicting spellings. Rienzi/Li Yan-Tui being the most glaring. Evan1975 05:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes! thats the one that winds me up the most! because I have done a LOT of research into it. it's the fault of the visual datafiles not obtaining a proper translation for it. a proper translation shows that the kana can't possibly be translated as rienzi. it is close...  and I can see how it could be mistaken but thats what it is. a mistake. also another bit of evidence is the transformation call he uses when facing up to gigantic dark. the phrase he shouts is chinese. Drag-5 18:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  official names 

message: Currently, the Notes contain this line it in:
Guyver is commonly known as "awesome as hell robot shit" 
Seeing as it's purely POV, removal of it would be prudent for one capable of doing such. The Chibi Kiriyama
:looks like somebody already did it.Drag-5 17:46, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Note Removal

message: first off, it is a fact that cablarl khans area of command is saudi arabia. other than that we have no confirmed area of command for the other zoalords. add to that the fact that areas of command actually change throughout the manga.  (example being shin moving to japan after purgstals defeat)
where did this information come from? I strongly believe that it is simply speculation. in which case it does not belong here. Drag-5 19:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's all in the Visual Files.  Some stuff has changed since it was published. Evan1975 05:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zoalord country locations??

message: whoever keeps putting this link in, please do not do so. 
it is not useful for anybody looking for information on guyver. 
in time, the site may become a good resource, but as of this time, it is FAR from finished. 
it is a waste of time for anybody that follows that link.  Drag-5 16:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link - the guyver solution

message: These things serve as some kind of telepathic link, but it is unclear to what extent the hosts can communicate with them. 
we do not know for sure wether they can have full blown conversations or simply convey basic emotions or needs such as 'help me'. Drag-5 15:53, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tumorous growths on hosts back

message: The possibility that aptom obtained cablarls DNA is next to zero since kablarl did not alter the DNA of teh zoanoids in that huge body. this was clear when looking at the cross section of teh bits guyver cut off. the zoanoids were still present and it seems cablarls power is to meld their bodies freely buit his DNA would have stayed in hi core body. regardless of this, cablarl was preventing aptom from assimilating him with the control of his zoacrystal. even after taking all of that into account, when looking at aptoms new form.... if we copare this to any of cablarls forms, we see no real comparison of any shapes.  the orb type structures look completelt different, there are no identifiable features from the brain form or the dragonic burst mode. therefore it is highly unlikely that aptom obtained any genetic material from cablarl. it is possible, but there is nothing that suggests this. anything else would be pure assumption. Drag-5 12:53, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This in and of itself is still assumption.  We know Aptom survived by escaping the same way Calbarl did.  Besides the report says that he obtained powers from several different Zoanoids during his time in Calbarl, it is equally as likely that he obtaind calbarl's DNA as he didn't.  As of now we don't have enough information to even suggest either, it is a perfectly 50 50 situation based entirely on the Wikisin of speculation.  As a matter of fact it shouldn't even be mentioned in he actual article.Adroa (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Aptom himself has said he cannot absorb a zoalords DNA because of the zoacrystal, so I personally believe he has not absorbed any of Kablarls DNA. I did rephrase that bit if i remember correctly. I didn't remove it though, because at the time there was no confirmation either way. We now have a datafile and it doesn't mention zoalord abilities and coupled with what he said about teh zoacrystal protecting the user.. I think we can remove that as you suggested.Drag-5 (talk) 12:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New aptom form - september 2007 

message: many of the sites in the external links contain certain amounts of questionable copyright violation. many include scanned images and full pages from the guyver manga.  if one of these sites should be removed then it should not be limited to that one alone. that particular site is the most accurate source of information available due to translation projects direct from the source language.  that site is protecting copyright where it can by way of a passwords system that requires users to own the original manga before accessing the translations. 
therefore it should not be removed unless all sites of a similar nature be removed. that would leave only the top 3 links. Drag-5 20:36, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay then.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:50, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: external links

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:006tetsuro.jpg

message: guyver dj is a relevant use for the term guyver. wether or not there is a wikipedia page for this, it needs to be included so that in future a page will be created. this is in the spirit of wikipedia and expanding the knowledge base. 
there are many things that are mentioned in wikipedia that do not have a page. just because there is no page is NO REASON for factual information to be ommitted. Drag-5 (talk) 01:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is not, there is no reason for such a person to be includded, otherwise I myself should be includded for any artilce for Doktor, as this is a name that I personally go by in my career! the pseudoname of a dj isn't notable enough to be added!  Doktor  Wilhelm  01:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: that is not a matter of opinion or debate. if a person see fit to add your name to a page then it is entirely relevant. it is fact, it exists so it beliongs. wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a palce for personal opinion. guyver teh DJ exhists and by removing it from the article you are denying the existance of him. Drag-5 (talk) 01:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "you are denying the existance of him" yes, I guess I am! Just because someone uses a name, doesn't mean they have anyplace in a encyclopedia! For all anyone knows, you could be self referencing!  Doktor  Wilhelm  01:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: it is not my place to decide, but I am sorry he just isn't notable enough to be on here (specially red wikilinked to a non existant article)!  Doktor  Wilhelm 
 02:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I may settle for something like==Other known uses==DJ Guyver: Guy Mearns, 17 year old (DOB?) DJ from Beverley, West Yorkshire, England.But I don't agree with it being red wikilinked, and lacking in information hat shows that it is a real person (though is it okay to list informartion on a disambiguation page?).  Doktor  Wilhelm  02:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes, I think that usage seems to be appropriate. it is certainly preferential to a blank link. it also contains more information than was previously contained here. Drag-5 (talk) 04:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It has since been moved to a disambiguation page. Drag-5 (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  guyver dj 

message: Guyver 2 dark hero is a SEQUAL to guyver dark hero. it is the second film and was named as such. the film was a US production and the official Us guyver 2 dark hero dvd is named guyver 2 dark hero. that is the official name. 
if this is to be renamed guyver: dark hero, then the oriiginal should be named "guyver" this is not teh case because wikipedia should  be using the official names not the preferred name.  if proof can be obtained of guyver: dark hero being teh official name, it should be included and cited as a reference. Drag-5 (talk) 01:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: quoted from hte imdb article - Release Date: 19 June 2000 (UK) 
this is teh uk release date, which mweans this article is for the british release.
listed further down the article is - Also Known As: Guyver 2: Dark Hero (USA) (video box title)
this is teh us name. the film is an american production therefore the american name is the official name.  Drag-5 (talk) 01:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: the addition of the "2" was added for teh video box title, as clearly stated!  Doktor  Wilhelm  01:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It is not stated anywhere that the official title features the 2. (also of personal note: dyslexia isn't a reason to spell badly, I myself suffer from it, badly! re-reading what you write may be of help!)  Doktor  Wilhelm  01:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: if that is to be used as the reference, than the "dark hero" part of the title is to be removed? As it doesn't appear to feature the sub title?  Doktor  Wilhelm  02:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can agree to that. that would be official. Drag-5 (talk) 02:20, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  a title of "The Guyver 2" would fit in better with the title of the original film, but would it be easy for people looking for the film to find? (as stated IMDB listed it under a different title/s)  Doktor  Wilhelm  02:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I think that would be just fine (though would the title of it's main page need to be moved to The Guyver 2?) also, it'll need a ref from newlinedvd.com, so more idiotic helpfull people (such as myself) can understand the reason for it's name, and maybe a disclaimer/ref for the diffrent names on IMDB, if they can be found? (though I guess The Guyver movie article doesn't have any citations for the Mutronics title?)  Doktor  Wilhelm  02:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, the main article should be renamed. I also agree that a citation for newlines page should be included or at least a link at the base of teh article as the official site. Drag-5 (talk) 04:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guyver 2 dark hero 

message: Has anyone here an interest in creating a Guyver Wikia? I would spend time on this Wikia trying to expand it. But it would be great if more people would be willing to help me. Diabound (talk) 17:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a large section on www.japan-legend.com and wish to expand. wiki links of this kind are not allowed on wikipedia however. so we can't link to it from here.Drag-5 (talk) 18:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw that a Guyver Wiki was created some time ago. So far not much is going on there but I decided to start several articles which I plan to expand over time. I hope that others would help too. The link is Guyver Wiki Diabound (talk) 11:15, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guyver Wikia 

message: Has there been a new release of the manga in the US?  I got the 7 books that were released back in the 90s, and have not seen anything released here after that, though the current page refers to chapters beyond Volume 7 in the US. (Where they had a reference saying it was going on infinite hiatus)  Or have all of these volumes been only released in Japan? FMPhoenixHawk (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: no new release. it continues in japan and is being released (up to volume 10) in english in singapore. Drag-5 (talk) 17:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Manga releases in the US

message: Just a few minor things, I'm looking at the manga right now, and hr control medal actually has two diagonal marks, one on the orb part and the other on the"ring" part that are perpindicular to each other.  also it states about the production process that "with the cell sample, we need only to find a control metal" which means that she is using Guyver II's control metal, as the only three units known on earth are Guyver I, III and formerly II (now female Guyver).   Will there be any problem with me integrating this information?Adroa (talk) 16:49, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: yes because it also states that it is a fake control medal.  but your description of the appearance of the fake CM is accurate. Drag-5 (talk) 17:43, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not referred to as fake, but "artificial" which means "man-made".  I guess however, it would require a bit of speculation to say hers was made out of Risker's. Adroa (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Female Guyver manga

message: The female uyver refers to it as the Guyver's "Hyper Sense", which has gone unnamed up until now.  I believe this information should be included now that it actually has a name.  I also think the list of weapons should be changed to "systems" or abilites" as they aren't all necessarily weapons, for example the gravity controller which constitutes flight, and the hyper sense which is definitely is not a weapon.Adroa (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on al counts. Drag-5 (talk) 12:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another Guyver Ability 

message: There are 5 different types of orbs on the Guyver's head (helmet)
*Hyper Sense organs
*Control Metal
*Sonic orbs
*Head Laser
*unknown orbs
The two unknown orbs I am refrencing are on either side of the Guyver's horn, at the base o the horn.  I remember them being the basis of the guyver's telepathic communication (unlike in the anime where it is the organs on the back) in the manga.  It was the early chapters, and was never mentioned again.Adroa (talk) 21:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe these have ever been referenced as anything. in actuality, I think the only time I ever heard them referred to as part of a telepathic system was when i myself suggested it on a debate a long time ago. and I based that solely on the position on hte guyvers head and comparing to chakra placements. the only time i can think we have ever seen these in any kind of operation is when the exceed mode was activated. although if you can cite anything from hte manga, it would be very helpful because we have wondered about these for a very long time. Drag-5 (talk) 12:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Do you mean the ones visible on :Image:Guyver Viz-Manga Volume1.jpg right at the base of the horn? --Kjoonlee 09:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, the red ones Drag-5 (talk) 13:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, Guyver I, Guyver II, the original Guyver in the relic ship's memory and the original Guyver in Murakami's vision all have those orbs, but Guyver III doesn't have them. Guyver I Gigantic has them as well, but Guyver III Gigantic doesn't have them either. Maybe they're cosmetic. --Kjoonlee 15:33, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: that's a high degree of probability, but it also could be to do with attitude, or something that agito makishima has that the others did not. either case, nothing has been confirmed so we can't make any official statement.Drag-5 (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unknown Guyver orbs 

message: this manga has been published in america by an american company. as such, the english version of the manga uses american english. this article therefore, should use american english spellings. 
I am not american, so I do not know how you spell a lot of things in american english. I request that any american editors please revert any spellings you find to your own spelling rules. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ENGVAR#National_varieties_of_English  Drag-5 (talk) 18:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  american english 

message: since the guyver is initially published in black and white, should we just omit any inclusion of colour in this article?  there have been many different artists impressions of guyver all of which vary in colour. some are dark blue, some are light teal, I have even seen one that is white. I personally think hte current version of this article is fine, since it is not too specific and allows for the variations in colour. but for some reason this part keeps getting edited to show each persons own personal interpretation of the colour. obviously this is not acceptible. that is another reason why i think this should be omitted. since there is no official line on the matter. Drag-5 (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guyver colours 

message: I'd like to point out that there's some confusion between these names. And the due to Japanese nature, it's hard to tell which is which. Please see Chronos, and Cronus articles to clear up the confusion between two names. They're two different deities.
Chronos is just time itself.
Cronus, also called Kronos, is the last son of Ouranos in Greek myth. And also the father of Zeus. Ouranos banished all of his sons to Tartarus. And Cronus, his last son, deposed him with Gaia's aid. Before Ouranos' death, he cursed his son to suffer the same fate. And Cronus was indeed overthrown later by Zeus who wielded thunder.
This conforms with Archanfel's past. The Creator has also been called 'Ouranos' several times in the books: 'Eye of Ouranos', 'The Sacred Box of Ouranos.' The Creator tried to destroy everything due to the failure of their project and then left, just like Ouranos banished his sons. And being devastated, Archanfel vowed to destroy them after the destruction of the meteor. Archanfel founded Cronus to destroy Ouranos, his creator, his father. Cronus then ruled. Agito sprang from Cronus, and he founded Zeus' Thunderbolt, implying its objective: destroying Cronus. Just like how Zeus defeated Cronus as cursed by Ouranos in mythology. The names are used to conform this myth on purpose. So the name of the organization should be either Kronos, or Cronus. Hope the editors see and agree with it before changing to the proper name. This will not be the first time the translation mixed 'C' with 'K' and 'U' with 'O'. Anthonydraco (talk) 17:42, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: 100% agreed. I usually personally prefer to just write Cronos allowing some ambiguity, but the fact it is based on this specific character in greek mythology is obvious enough. I am in favour of using 'Kronos', since the way it is pronounced in japanese is closest to this spelling. Drag-5 (talk) 03:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Great, well, now let's wait for a few more days for more ppl to see it and then I'll proceed with editting. Anthonydraco (talk) 14:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Here we go. Chronos and Cronos are now Kronos. Anthonydraco (talk) 18:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

text: each of us failed to factor in the naming of cronos in the manga datafiles as 'cronos'. since it is written this way in the source material, it should be written that way in this article. I will make an appropriate change of this name in the article. if there are any more suitable justifications for a different spelling, my edit can be undone and we can talk about it more here. Drag-5 (talk) 15:24, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kronos/Cronus/Chronos 

message: for the second time, information was removed as 'unsourced' when the source is the guyver published material itself. guyver has 27 volumes published thus far and has had a VDF book published (visual datafile) among other materials. for latest incident, information was removed regarding the alterations to host. the specific part of the VDF stating this is tranlated here - http://www.theguyver.net/guyverboard/index.php?showtopic=4299&st=20 I would request that any future 'unsourced' content first be submitted to the talk page to first confirm if it has a source in the publication itself. Drag-5 (talk) 02:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: sources

message: since the recent edit of apollon to apollyon, it has become necessary to justify the authors decision to name his character アポルオン instead of アポリオン. it is clear that the name is apollon and by doing some research, we will find that the greek name for apollo is actually apollon. normally this would be straightforward but there seems to be some concern about the kanji for destroyer, that apparently suggests abaddon. some quick research into the origins of apollon and apollyon and their possible links, throw up this link http://philologos.org/bpr/files/a009.htm through which we can see that apollyon was a continuation of apollon through greek/roman culture and into christianity. double this with the authors tendency to base most of his characters and terminology on greek mythology, It is pretty obvious that this name is apollon and should never ever be considered to be changed to apollyon again. even if all suggestion of research were not taken into account, the katakana can clearly NOT be transliterated as apollyon.Drag-5 (talk) 13:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: some additional information was brought to my attention, which prompted me to do some further research. the japanese for apollyon can be 'aporion' or 'aporyuon'. i do not think aporuon can be apollyon but i was thinking it could be apolluon. it seems the author has spelled it differently on purpose but the way the character behaves does fit apollyon more than apollo. would there be concensus to name this character apolluon rather than apollon? Drag-5 (talk) 15:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: apollon