Talk:Icelandic name

message: I think there needs to be more research regarding the hotel stuff in Italy, as it sounds quite unlikely.  Women in Spain keep their last names and Portuguese people derive their last names from their mothers.  Are hotel owners in Italy turning Spanish and Portuguese people away as well?
:It may sound unlikely, but it is true. Perhaps no written sources can be found to support it, however, and if that is the case, then this information should be deleted. But I know for a fact that this is true, since my own father once had this sort of trouble in a hotel in London. Of course, this was a long time ago and I think the world has changed a lot since the 60's. --D. Webb 01:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hotels

message: The article is right that at large there are no family names in Iceland, however some people (such as me) have one "Arnfjörð" is a family name in my family.
So i have a "first name - family name - fathers name.
It's rare, but there are exceptions to this "rule".
Also, alot of people, especially in later times have middle names which are not family names such as "Ingi Freyr Jónsson". 
Also it could be mentioned that foo barson is akin to foo bin bar as used in some muslim countries. --  Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   21:41, 2004 Sep 8 (UTC)
:" "Arnfjörð" is a family name in my family."
:But is 'Arnfjörð' truly a family-name akin to my 'Holden', or a family name like how most of the guys on my mother's side of my family are called 'Allan', 'Thomas', or 'James'? Kelly holden (talk) 03:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I've never heard of –fjörð in a given name. —Tamfang (talk) 20:50, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Why specially mention the parallel with Arabic bin X rather than, say, Slavic Xvič or Persian Xzadeh or Norman fitz X? —Tamfang (talk) 18:13, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family names 

message: I have renamed this article Icelandic name, to conform with other articles in the series.  David Cannon 14:02, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: : Culturally it is a definition of from whom he was begotten, even if that definition is seemingly vague.
What does this mean? --Dpr
:Begotten means "born to".  The word describes the relationship between parent and child.  A child is begotten from its parent. --Sindri 12:42, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wording

message: Can anyone tell me further about the Icelandic family name? If I understand well, the son of parent will get a kind of suffix "-son" and the daughter of parents will get a kind of suffix "-dóttir".
However, Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen does not follow the "rule". (I am not sure if it is a rule. Or, should I call this a habit?) Can anyone tell me from whom he gets his last name "Guðjohnsen"?
Then, I have noticed that there is a person whose name is Júlíus Hafstein in the Department of Overseas Business and Tourism. My question is the same as the previous.
My last question is how I can put Icelanders' names in my address book. Is it allowed to put the name of someone by the last name first, e.g. "Guðjohnsen, Eiður Smári"?
Thanks for everyone help. Yves Revi 11:15, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Guðjohnsen is a surname derived from a Icelandic/Danish patronymic name.  That is it was at some time one of his ancestors patronymic   name but later became inherited. Icelanders, weather or not they have a surname of patronymic name are usually addressed by their first name and traditionally sorted alphabetically by the first name.  Júlíus Hafstein is probably very rarely addressed as Hafstein in Iceland, and calling me Traustason is frankly slightly silly. --Sindri 13:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometime around World War I a group of modernists in Iceland attempted to reform the naming system and chose family names.  Einar Hjorleifsson Kvaran was one.  This trend did not become a trend, but vestiges of this movement can still be found in several Icelandic families that have retained the names adopted at that time or acquired otherwise.  I forget if this blip is covered in the main article. It is possible that your Julius Hafstein is a descendent of Hannes Hafstein, though I thought that he had only daughters, at least who themselves had children. Carptrash 20:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can inherit surnames from both sides of the family, i.g. if a woman named Anna Hafstein and a man named Jón Friðjónsson had a child called Sigmar the parents, and later Sigmar himself, could choose whether to call him Sigmar Jónsson or Sigmar Hafstein. Furthermore, if he ended up as Sigmar Jónsson, and later had a child called Anna, she could be both Anna Sigmarsdóttir or Anna Hafstein, as you can inherit family names from your grandparents, even though your parents shunned it. I think you can inherit family names from both your great-grandparents and great-great-grandparents as well, but not further than that. I'm not exactly sure how long up it goes, as I can't be bothered checking, but I've lived in the believe I couldn't nick my great-great-great-grandfather's surname as that was a generation too high.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.19.210 (talk) 18:15, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family Name 

message: In some cases, an individual's last name is derived from his/her parent's middle name instead of first name. For example, if Jón is the son of Hjálmar Arnar Vilhjálmsson he may either be named Jón Hjálmarsson (Jón son of Hjálmar) or Jón Arnarsson (Jón son of Arnar). The reason for this may be that the parent prefers to be called by his/her middle name instead of first, which is fairly common, or that the parent's middle name seems to fit the child's first name better.
Since there is apparently not a single strict rule for forming last names, is it obligatory that all sons or all daughters have to have the same name?  For example, if, to use the example given in that paragraph, Hjálmar Arnar Vilhjálmsson has two sons, could he give one the last name Hjálmarsson and the other Arnarsson? Nik42 08:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. --Sindri 12:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To elaborate, there is no obligation to chose the same form for the children, I know of an Icelandic family where the patronym and matronym are interchanged, the eldest having a patronym, the next one matronym, then a patronym again and finally a matronym. Icelanders can also apply to have their name changed, such as Heiðar Helguson who changed from his patronym to his matronym. --Stalfur 15:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Middle names in surnames 

message: What happens when an Icelander gets a sex change? For example, if a male named Jonsson has a sex change, does he/she automatically become Jonsdottir?
:Interesting question. I would say the answer is yes, or at least this person would be obliged to apply for a name change because his/her former name becomes illegal after the sex change. Icelandic law is quite clear about this, men shall bear approved male names and have their patro-/matronyms end with -son while women shall bear approved female names and have their patro-/matronyms end with -dóttir. --Bjarki 17:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  There was a ruling earlier this year (2013) which mandates that females can bear male names and vice versa unless it can be proven that by doing so would be infringing somebody else's rights or duties. The ruling was not appealed to the Supreme Court of Iceland, though, so it's not a clear precedent. -Svavar Kjarrval (talk) 15:25, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  You're presumably referring to the Blær Bjarkardóttir case.  I think it would be somewhat of an overstatement to say that the court allowed women to use men's names in general (or vice versa); this was more of a situation where a given name was held to be acceptable for a woman even though it was a grammatically masculine noun.  And Blær is still a dóttir, not a son; her court case didn't involve this aspect of Icelandic naming conventions at all.   — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:49, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand there are some women in Iceland who use surnames ending in -son — for example, Telma Tómasson, a TV news presenter (anchor), who is and always has been female AFAIK.  — Richwales (no relation to Jimbo) 16:55, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  A surname with the opposite gender always indicates foreign-style surname adoption in my experience, and it appears Telma uses her father's patronym as her last name. Presumably she was born abroad.  — Genkobar(talk) 6:54, 21 Sep 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sex change convention? 

message: In our (American) family, we decided to give the daughters in our family the mother's last name and the sons in our family the father's last name.  We have one daughter and two sons.  The idea was provide a model that - if followed - could allow a mother's name to be passed down as well as a father's.  Yes, the fairness all depends on having some of each.  It works for us, though.
--146.115.74.193 22:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions 

message: What would Jón Stefánsson's wife's surname be? If her name is Brynja, and her father is Tómas, she's Brynja Tómasdóttir before her marriage. And then? Her surname doesn't change, right? I mean, she doesn't get her husband's surname because she's not the daughter of Stefán. If there's a family with mother, father, a daughter and a son, all of them have different surnames?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.102.238.23 (talk • contribs) 10 July 2008
:Yes (although I wouldn't call them surnames). --Zundark (talk) 16:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, takk fyrir =)    85.102.43.148 (talk) 11:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: the focus of this article is on the last name, which yes is the unique part, but it should at least state conventions for first and middle names. as well as styles and forms of address.67.176.160.47 (talk) 06:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  first and middle name 

message: It seems clear from reading translations of Icelandic sagas that there was once an extensive use of nicknames to overcome the problem of many people having the same name.  Is it right to suppose that this has been largely discontinued in favour of the modern practice, mentioned in the article, of adding the profession?  --MWLittleGuy (talk) 15:28, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicknames are never official (although the nicknames of the guys in the sagas are written, although there never was anything official back then). However, nicknames for official names are not uncommon (in the way a Michael could be nicknamed Mike). Some of the historically most popular names have more than one nickname, for example someone called Jón could be be nicknamed Nonni, Jonni, Jónsi, Jóndi, Jónki or Jóni (and possibly something else). Nowadays we just cope with having the same name as someone else, as it's highly unlikely it would cause confusion on a day-to-day basis. With middle names being very popular the distinction has become easier, as a Jón Freyr and a Jón Geir are obviously two different persons. There isn't really a "modern practice" of adding the profession, except maybe as an afterword in the phone book. Depending on the person, someone could be talked about with a nickname derived from profession, looks, or something like that, but that's completely unofficial and varies case-by-case. 85.220.62.74  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.220.62.74 (talk) 07:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: All the family name examples are ok on this page but some such as Baltasar Kormákur Samper use patronymics on their linked pages. This might be confusing to some. Some even use both in either order. The Template:Icelandic name doesn't currently handle that. I've just been 'fixing' the Icelandic template but it could be fixed to handle that case (see: Birgitta Haukdal for how I fixed her without a template. What do you think? comp.arch (talk) 17:24, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family name examples 

message: At the time of the Settlement, I gather that the old dithematic name system was still productive: personal names commonly consisted of two nouns (or adjective+noun), one of which was shared with a parent.  If the name Foobar is not on the approved list but Fooketil and Asbar both are (As and ketil being common elements in those positions, the first examples I thought of), is Foobar automatically allowed or does it need an application? —Tamfang (talk) 18:26, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  prothemes and deuterothemes 

message: Apologies if this isn't the best place for this discussion, or if it already exists elsewhere. Wikipedia articles about persons with Icelandic names are quite inconsistent about the  parameter and .
Article                                	NAME =                  	DEFAULTSORT:
Ársæll Kjartansson                     	Ársæll Kjartansson      	Kjartansson, Arsaell
Magnús Kjartansson                     	Kjartansson, Magnús     	Kjartansson, Magnus
Ragnar Kjartansson (sculptor)          	Kjartansson, Ragnar     	(N/A)
Ragnar Kjartansson (performance artist)	Ragnar Kjartansson      	Ragnar Kjartansson
Sigurjón Kjartansson                   	Kjartansson, Sigurjon   	Sigurjon Kjartansson
Heiðar Helguson                        	Helguson, Heiðar        	Helguson, Heidar
Guðrún Eva Mínervudóttir               	Gudrun Eva Minervudottir	Gudrun Eva Minervudottir
Eilífr Goðrúnarson                     	Eilífr Goðrúnarson      	Eilifr Godrunarson
Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir                 	Johanna Sigurdardottir  	Sigurdardottir, Johanna
Tinna Gunnlaugsdóttir                  	Gunnlaugsdóttir, Tinna  	Gunnlaugsdottir, Tinna
Sometimes the  parameter is first name first and sometimes it is first name last; sometimes it is with Icelandic letters and accents and sometimes it is converted to English letters without accents. Sometimes  is first name first and sometimes it is first name last. 
Is there a stated Wikipedia standard for these parameters for Icelandic names? If so, where is it? If not, should there be a standard, what should it be, and where should it be? —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia needs cleanup of Icelandic name articles' Persondata NAME and DEFAULTSORT 

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message: How does 'ver' fit into this naming scheme, as in Magnús Ver Magnússon?Halbared (talk) 08:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume that Ver is his middle name. --WiseWoman (talk) 20:11, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: When talking about Icelandic names, the term ‘middle name’ refers to a special category of names that specifically excludes most given names. Considering that “Ver” is a regular (albeit rare) given name, we would say that Magnús Ver Magnússon has two given names and a surname, but no middle name. Dustin de Brie (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ver