Talk:Machine Head (band)

message: I have edited the first sentence of this article to reflect proper grammar.  Although I believe this change goes without saying, it seems more than surprising to me why this grammatical error has gone unnoticed by a fairly large group of editors.  When discussing a band, you are referring to a singular noun, the band, not the band members.  This means one must follow correct grammar principles by providing a grammatically correct verb afterward.
The article has been edited to reflect this principle.  Thank you.  Megazodiac 22:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not "proper grammar". A band is not like a corporation; it is not a corporate body but a group of people under individual contracts. Doubtless this is why The Beatles and most other band articles on the English WP follow that standard and refer in each case to the band as "they". I've done something to eliminate the singular in such references here. Harfarhs (talk) 21:58, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

text: I see my change has been reverted, but it's not tenable to approach grammar that way. Even the writers of articles where some effort has been made to retain the singular can't really believe in what they do, for they revert to the plural when they are not concentrating on their artificial 'principle'—see here ("Metallica has been listed as one of the greatest artists of all time by magazines such as Rolling Stone, which ranked them at no. 61 on its 100 Greatest Artists of All Time list.") and here ("Since its formation, Exodus has released ten studio albums, two live albums, one compilation album, and a re-recording of their first album.") The lede of the Exodus article, in particular, is a welter of unnecessary confusion. Harfarhs (talk) 18:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Are" Vs. "Is" 

message: Does this even exist?  and, if it does, can anyone supply me with it so I can get a screenshot and add it to the videography?   DMighton 17:04, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Video for "Old"

message: Possibly removed for copyright reasons. If you have a suitable picture that satisfies copyright permissions, please feel free to upload it :) Mosh 21:37, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: If Machine Head are to be classed by a certain sub-genre of metal, two things really need to happen: 
1. There has to be a rationale for the classification in the 'Sound Debate' sub-section. They've been considered for about 10 different metal genres at different times, so this can't be stressed enough.
2. If there is to be a rationale, some form of substantiation would most definitely help. Either a recognised critical opinion or perhaps even the band's own thoughts. Encyclopaedia's aren't meant to reflect one person's particular opinion.
Hey, I've added some refinements to this part of the article, feel free to comment. Someone add necessary links if necessary. --Rp81 05:39, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if you even know what thrash metal is. --Pasajero 21:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If Machine Head isn't groove metal, no band is. Of course, the boundaries between musical genres, especially when so closely related to each other, are rarely clear. I think it's not a big deal to categorize them both as as trash and groove. Why are metalheads always so nitpicky when it comes to categories? --Christoph.W 17:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, that makes them pop, but it's very unlikely that a member of the press will say Slipknot is pop, no serious music critic is gonna label them pop. As long as the source is reliable we may use it as source. That is how wikipedia works. We only cite (third party) sources; no original research is allowed. please read WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:RS, etc. Kameejl (Talk) 12:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''''Sound Debate''''' 

message: If nobody objects, I'm going to go all Wiki on the discography and move it to a page of its own (obviously with a link to take the reader there). I'm doing this with the Megadeth and Iron Maiden pages, also. In line with those two, I'll reformat the discography to include thumbnail pictures and so forth. Planning to do this on/around Jan 1st. IainP (talk) 08:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: Hi, Im querying the statement that Machine Heads biggest show to date was 2005's Wacken Open Air festival.
The Wiki entry for Dynamo Open Air states in 1995 Machine Head played to an audience of over 110,000
Przystanek Woodstock in 2012 was the biggest show they've ever played.
550,000 people in attendance according to this site.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FotherMucker99 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Largest Show to Date? 

message: What's the deal with 2 separate people allegedly saying the exact same thing:
"We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance."
—John Campbell, Lamb of God biography (Lamb of God)
We play music that straddles the line between prog and traditional rock. I think we make prog-rock more listenable without cheapening the progressiveness of it. The complexity of our music appeals to people who like technical playing, but the arrangements are not so extreme that they fly over the average listener's head. It's a good balance. ” 
—Dave McClain, Machine Head Diary (Machine head (band))
(accordingly, this question will be posted verbatim in both talk pages)
--srostami 06:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogus Quotations? 

message: from a comment in the history: we can say that mid-career albums are nu metal, so we should put it in Connacht 16:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Metal 

message: Machine Head being thrash metal? Whose grandma wrote that there? I wanted to remove that ridiculous notion immediately, but knowing wikipedia I'd get reverted anyway. Really, Machine Head is NOT thrash metal. Not at all. 81.242.132.127 20:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, the boundaries between trash and groove can't really that clearly defined (IMHO). --Christoph.W 23:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash metal?!? 

message: Some dates need to be added to the section "The Blackening". It says April 18, but what year? 2005, 2006, 2007??? Talk User:Fissionfox 10:45, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Someone (I don't know how) should update the sales of the band especially for The Blackening. Skeeker [Talk] 09:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sales

message: More important than Demmel collapsing onstage because of dehydration, the next day, in Zurich, on December 7th, he learned his father passed away. However, he played the show that night, and then flew back home. He insisted that The Black Crusade tour continued without him, now guitarists from Arch Enemy, Trivium and the bassist from Dragonforce are learning to play Machine Head songs, the band's official site said.
In fact you can see all of this on their website. Noirdez (talk) 18:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good information, but what is the point in adding it to article in that form? Couldn't we shortne it? IronCrow (talk) 17:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed it because it was way too large. Shorten it to one/two sentences and provide sources. M3tal H3ad (talk) 06:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demmel's father's death 

message: Towards the end of The Blackening section, it sure reads like one. For example, it speaks of an "upcoming" show in September 2007, for crying out loud. This needs to be reworded to fit current-day terms. Reminds me a lot of Korn's "Recent Events" section. Dark Executioner (talk) 21:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  News Article? 

message: *Free pix: 
** Sorry, I don't have access to flickr. Would you care to retrieve some images yourself?
***It takes like 5 minutes to sign up. M3tal H3ad (talk) 07:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Passed. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 22:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shibby. —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 22:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: whats this mumbo jumbo about a gang confrontation and flynn/duce fearing for their lives?
it has to be bogus..  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt head16 (talk • contribs) 10:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you even care to look up the sources? —Burningclean [Speak the truth!] 20:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the source? I've never heard of Flynn and Duce ever being threatened by a gang, and I'm interested in reading it. Dark Executioner (talk) 11:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Physical confrontation? Gang? Lol wut? 

message: This is the demo of Burn My Eyes's Block: link. Robert Flynn looks like Castro when he was young :) ...--  LYKANTROP  16:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Look at this! 

message: Looking at the article, I noticed that the Discography, Members and Awards and Nominations sections are indented under the references section. I looked at the source to try to edit this and correct it, but on the edit page everything appeared to be in the correct order. This seems to have happened in one of the last two revisions of the page, sometime today. I am still new and don't want to try to correct this and risk making it worse. Interestingly average (talk) 16:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography/Awards show as a subsection of References 

message: thrash is basically defined by the chugging sound of the rythm made by the guitar. Just as Heavy Metal as a whole evolves into a wider sound. so did thrash metal which is just a sub-genre of heavy metal.
Stop trying to box every thing as different categories genre junkies!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.96.254.123 (talk) 10:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Of Course they are thrash 

message: That can't all be in past tense anymore. Alert to someone who knows more about it. 3pointswish (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second to last paragraph of the blackening section. 

message: I have jsut uploaded about 10 photos to WikiCommons that I took at Sheffield Arena on Friday. So yeah, you can use them were-ever you want because I issued them under CC liscense.  REZTER TALK ø 12:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
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message: On the music videos section, exists a video ("Take My Scars") that don't have a reliable source as reference to prove their year of release and the director's name. So, if you known some kind of source like an interview (magazine, internet), DVD, CD (booklet too), VHS, etc. Help us! Regards, Cannibaloki 06:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, take my scars was released on Roadrunners "Drilling The Vein" vhs. I have that and have just watched it through. Sadly there is no credit for the director, but at the end of the Take My Scars video its does quote "copyright Machine Head 1997". Photo of the screen shot I took is here. I would say that confirms the video for the year 1997.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BobGarage (talk • contribs) 12:58, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: At the end of this video (after show all the music videos), don't have a list of credits similar to a movie? Cannibaloki 14:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I checked that. no full list of credits. On later "drilling the vien" VHS that Roadrunner did they did credit the director. But on this, the first one, they didn't. The only details it gives its the copyright holder and year at the end of each individual video (as per screen shot above). sorry. BobGarage  —Preceding undated comment was added on 15:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cannibaloki 15:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Machine Head discography]] needs help 

message: Nu Metal should should be listed as (mid-career) rather than (early). Machine Head's early material was 'Burn My Eyes' or 'The More Things Change...'. Which were the Groove/Thrash Metal sound they are most known for. Duck610 (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Metal mistake 

message: Can someone add a chart showing the dates of when members were/are in the band?
VenomousConcept (talk) 15:46, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline chart 

message: I don't know for sure but i can sense some elements of death metal or melodic death metal in their blackening album.i have managed to find a source but i thought i better discuss it here first. anyone feels it should be added?  --Knightrider abhi (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic death metal?? 

message: A months ago I noted that Machine Head stuff appeared on The Sopranos in the form of a poster and a t-shirt. The Sopranos was a huge Emmy winning show on HBO, and I thought it was noteworthy so I added it. Looks like it is gone now. Why isn't that info noteworthy here? Neanderthalprimadonna (talk) 20:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Sopranos 

message: Guys groove metal and thrash metal are the two genres that describes MH the best. Musically they they take influences from different genres but their basic and most referenced sound is that of groove/thrash. So before changing the genre in the infobox PLEASE PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCES before editing thank you. Genres like death metal or melo death are not referenced. Please remove such things--Knightrider abhi (talk) 07:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre changes!!!! 

message: The article describes the band as Heavy Metal but the genre section on the side doesn't say Heavy Metal. That doesn't make any sense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brayness (talk • contribs) 14:21, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thrash and groove metal are two heavy metal subgenres. Cristian MH (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Machine Head is Heavy Metal 

message: Machine Head may have gotten their earlier groove metal material much more popular in their later years, but what first got them famous was the nu metal style of The Burning Red and then Supercharger. For a number of years, Burning Red was their best-selling album - it had sold even more than Burn My Eyes. (Of course, after that album was "discovered," it skyrocketed in popularity, and every album after Supercharger returned to groove metal.) I tried adding it in already (see article's edit history) but Teh Trasher kept reverting me and suggested I bring it up here. I suggest adding "1999-2001" after the nu metal tag if it is added (which it should), linking '99 to The Burning Red and '01 to Supercharger.
Groove metal may be what they're known for now, but for a while, and when they first got into the mainstream, they were a nu metal band. Please consider this. DannyMusicEditor (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I don't have a problem with you adding nu metal to the infobox, as long as you can use reliable sources to back them up instead of linking to other articles. Your way of going about things is using general observations and opinion rather than facts, however, and you were asked numerous times to bring it up here first, which is why I think you were being reverted. This is not uncommon, though. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 00:07, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources say that the albums are nu metal, and not the band.-Teh Thrasher 06:38, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whose idea was it to remove nu metal from the infobox? 

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message: I believe that Robb Flynn plays rhythm guitar as he is the singer, and Phil plays the lead primarily. Any opinion on this matter?
--67.87.104.25 (talk) 19:38, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: To say that Flynn is the rhythm guitarist just because he is the lead vocalist is completely opinionative, just as much as it is incorrect. Flynn and Demmel often share solo duties, hence why they are listed simply as "guitar", rather than one being lead guitar and the other being rhythm guitar. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 03:49, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

text: And that, my friend, is the definition of original research. You might want to fix up your signatures as well. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 21:40, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Im sorry but what does original research mean?--Miked1992 (talk) 02:51, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

text: The fact that there's a 60/40 split (or thereabouts) is the reason why it says "guitar" (without using lead/rhythm) – we don't need to overcomplicate things by changing the members section and timeline to say "rhythm and lead" and "lead and rhythm", as it's unnecessary. 4TheWynne(talk)(contribs) 22:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead guitarist vs Rhythm Guitarist 

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