Talk:Kingdom of the Iberians

message: Can anyone point me towards evidence of Tao and Klarjeti as separate entities - ie not an area known as "Tao-Klarjeti"? All the evidence I can find on and off line indicates that there only ever was an entity with a hyphenated name. And if that is the case both Tao and Klarjeti can redirect here.--Silver149 12:59, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Im sorry but you are mistaken. To claim that Ashot, Sumbat and Gurgen were Armenians are just simple POVs. There are many sources which claim otherwise. Noxchi Borz 17:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You seem to be a sock puppet yourself. Armenian chauvinistic attacks on Wiki articles have demonstrated direct violation of NPOV. I do maintain NOPV. Georgian kings also had names like David, Solomon and it did not mean they were Jews. Ashot, Gurgen, Sumbat were Georgian nobles and there are vast among of sources both historic and scholarly which conform that (please refer to reliable primary and secondary sources). Claiming that they were Armenian is POV. I would advice Armenian users to maintain NOPV and use ultra-nationalistic rhetoric somewhere else. Please present sources for any changes you make to an article. Noxchi Borz 00:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: Plus, there's no contemporary literature in English listed in the Sources-section.--Omnipaedista (talk) 02:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inline citations are missing

message: I think the article should be more neutral.Aram-van--Aram-van (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, "Should be more neutral" is not an explanation. You should list all statements you deem not neutral. Please refer to WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Second, I'm being patient enough to explain you that Tayk and Tao-Klarjeti are not the same. Third, I'm afraid I don't quite understand why you mean by "territories cede to Tayk in 992 or 994 were long ago included in Vaspurakan Kingdom". --KoberTalk 11:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

message: Valeri Silogava, Kakha Shengelia. History of Georgia, Caucasus University Publishing House, 2007, p. 62-63. Principality of Tao-Klarjeti & Kingdom of Kartli. There's no this version  Kingdom of the Kartvels . This is a falsification 62.122.135.161 (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Principality of Tao-Klarjeti & Kingdom of Kartli 

message: It's not properly mentioned that Tao-Klarjeti had a mixed population: Armenians and Georgians. And that it didn't include Kars or Erzurum. 62.122.135.161 (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article does not say that the principality include Kars and Erzurum, but it did include parts of what are now the provinces of Kars and Erzurum. The article does not mention ethnic composition at all, either Georgian or Armenian. --KoberTalk 19:10, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Kober invalidity removed the article's npov tag. I have restored it. There is clearly an ongoing dispute about the neutrality and correctness of the entire article's content (just look at almost all the talk page comments, covering over a decade). Tao-Klarjeti was a border region with a mixed Georgian and Armenian population. How that should be appropriately conveyed in the article's content should be a matter for discussion but at the moment the region's Armenian population and Armenian history is not mentioned at all in this article except in passing in the brief context of 20th-century history. That all of the article's content currently has no inline citations just adds to suspicions of pov content. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Be more specific. References to decades-long comments are not relevant and don't justify tag abuse. The article does not discuss the region's ethnicity at all which may be a pitfall but not the reason for POV tagging. --KoberTalk 18:58, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of any inline citations and the lack of any mention of the region's Armenian population and history is sufficient for pov tagging. The article is full of references to "Georgia" and "Georgians" so I do not understand how you can say the article does not discuss the region's ethnicity at all. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:53, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality

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