Talk:Popular initiative

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to do so, but in my personal opinion it'd make the most sense to leave the (dominant) political science as Initiative and mention the other uses on Initiative (disambiguation). Sarge Baldy 16:12, Jun 23, 2004 (UTC)
In retrospect having read the guidelines on disambiguation I think there is not yet any nead to make this a disambiguation page. Barnaby dawson 12:12, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: I think iniative would be better as a disambiguation page, starting with the personal trait. The current page reads as being rather American; in European Union political science "right of initiative" is the broader question of who has the ability to start a legislative process and (since it is the EU) has little to do with individual citizens.--Henrygb 10:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of Initiative

message: It would be better called popular initiative. And would include EU institutions´ popular initiative. Regards. --Nukeless 00:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular initiative 

message: Why not put the information about the situation for the national initiative in the USA before the states' paragraph(s)? VVHeavyVv (talk) 03:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Initiative in the United States Order of Paragraphs 

message: Should chapters E-government petitions in Europe and Australia and E-government petitions in the United States in article Online petition be merged in this article?--Custoo (talk) 18:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  E-government petitions 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This map is for Popular referendum. We need the correct initiative map. I'll check into it. This map is correctly on the Popular referendum article.--Wyn.junior (talk) 19:58, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Initiative map 

message: I am removing the map from the page. I wrote a comment on the map's talk page [here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Carte_des_r%C3%A9f%C3%A9rendums_d%27origine_populaire_2019.png] These are my reasons:
The source listed on the map (https://www.direct-democracy-navigator.org/) does not list citizen's initiatives, it seems to just list every law or constitution article which allows any type of referendum. For example, Ireland does not have a citizen's initiative, but to change the constitution there has to be a referendum. There are two articles in the constitution which mention this, so the page lists '2 national instances', neither of which are a citizen's initiative.
The map lists countries as having referendums which the source does not, eg Belarus.
The source itself also lists itself as incomplete.
And the information given on the Initiative page contradicts that on the map. Again for example, Belarus is not listed on this page, but it is mentioned on the map.
The secondary source listed on the map is, to paraphrase, the relevant Wikipedia pages, which I think is an insufficient source, there should be a listed source for each country on the Initiative page. This shouldn't be hard, the relevant constitution article or law would be more than enough. - 37.169.159.5 (talk) 22:13, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map has a faulty source and disagrees with the info on the page 

message: These terms are never explained in this context. Does legislative mean an initiative can propose a law, or does it mean it means be reviewed by the legislative body of the government? Can someone explain these on the page please. Or replace them with a more useful terminology like direct or indirect.
Also, the title should be changed to Citizen's Initiative since that's what the article is about. Initiative is just the process of beginning a piece of legislation, it could be done by anyone, parliament, president, king, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.172.165.5 (talk) 04:04, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does 'legislative, abrogative, constitutional' mean? 

message: I propose to merge Right of initiative (legislative) into Initiative. I think that the Right of initiative article is a subset of the Initiative content, as the Initiative covers both: Referenda and legislative initiative. This can be confirmed by both: the introduction, and the examples in an individual countries, for example Finland or Romania. The Right of initiative (legislative) is of a reasonable size that the merging into Initiative will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. SkywalkerPL (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Pinging some of the top contributors to the both articles. SkywalkerPL (talk) 08:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's incorrect. Initiative already covers both: referenda and legislative process. SkywalkerPL (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: See the above complaint about the map. I think that the table has similar problems. The title of the map says it's only about referenda, but the content (which I haven't checked) seems to include both grassroots-initiated referenda and general citizens' legislative initiatives. Anyone starting work on this should make a reasonable choice of what the definition of the table is and clarify that, before adding sources. Boud (talk) 00:47, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: What's the difference between the two? --Aréat (talk) 04:35, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The table needs sourcing and clarifying