Talk:François Mitterrand

message: As far as I'm aware there were four such 'grande projects' but the Channel Tunnel was not one.  I think the fourth is the Opéra Bastille.  I'm new to Wiki so thought I should get a consensus before changing it!
--Taffioso 13:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Great projects

message: On the downside, his Minister of Culture Jacques Toubon proposed a law that was supposed to protect the French language (March 1994). The law, later known as "Toubon Law" would impose hefty fines on businesses using English words or language in their advertising or slogans.
:Factually false. David.Monniaux 10:19, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Taking a lesson from Quebec's Bill 101? The mother country learns from the child...  Trekphiler 16:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Toubon law

message: Could editors please confirm for me that Mitterrand is spelt with two 'r's? Is there any legitmate derivation? I ask because of  and . Are these legitimate alternative spellings, or mistakes? Help would be greatly appreciated as I'm writing a non-wikipedia article. The JPS 01:41, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I confirm that there is two "r".. It is however a common mistake even in France. Some people remembers that there are two "r" because there were two "reigns" (1981-1988 and than 1988-1995)!
02:21, 19 Feb2006 (UTC)
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His wife, Danielle Mitterrrrrand, is a left-wing militant. is  POV to me. Not changing it since i am not familiar with her history. pamri 13:16, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: I think it's a fairly accurate assessment about Danielle Mitterrand. David.Monniaux 11:15, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well she did say once that no election was needed in Cuba because Castro was so popular that he would win anyway.--equitor 22:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm replacing the word "militant," because it's clearly crept in from the French, where "militant" as a noun means someone who is a member in a political or labor organization.Jabberwockyoligarchy 04:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: How many Rs?

message: Removed:
In December 1942, Mitterrand wrote in the official Vichy journal France, revue de l'État nouveau:
:"If France doesn't want to die in the mud, the last French people worthy of this name must declare a merciless war against all who, here or abroad, are preparing to open floodgates against it: Jews, Freemasons, Communists... always the same, and all of them Gaulists."
:"Si la France ne veut pas mourir dans cette boue là, il faut que les derniers français dignes de ce nom déclarent une guerre sans merci à tous ceux qui, à l'intérieur comme à l'extérieur, se préparent à lui ouvrir les écluses : juifs, maçons, communistes...toujours les mêmes et tous gaullistes".
No time to translate, but here is the source:
Jean Pierre-Bloch, chef de la section non militaire du Bureau central de renseignement et d'action (BCRA, services secrets de la France libre) de 1942 à 1943 puis commissaire adjoint à l'Intérieur, grand-croix de la Légion d'honneur, compagnon de la Libération, explique dans De Gaulle ou le temps des méprises (éd. La Table ronde, 1969, pp. 216/218) : « C'était sur notre ordre que François Mitterrand était resté dans les services de prisonniers de Vichy. Lorsqu'il avait été proposé pour la francisque, nous avions été parfaitement tenus au courant ; nous lui avions conseillé d'accepter cette “distinction” pour ne pas se dévoiler. La calomnie sert toujours ; vingt-cinq ans plus tard, on ressortira les mêmes arguments au cours de la campagne présidentielle [qu'à Londres et Alger en 1943 et 1944]. Les services gaullistes ont de la suite dans les idées. [...] Mitterrand fut même proposé pour être compagnon de la Libération, mais les titres de Résistance n'ont quelquefois rien à voir avec cette décoration. Ni résistants ni combattants, on trouve sur le Livre d'or des Compagnons de la Libération les noms de héros qui n'ont jamais quitté leur bureau de Londres. On l'a donné à quelques hommes de gauche, mais ils se comptent sur les doigts. Même Gaston Defferre, qui fut chef de réseau, n'est pas Compagnon de la Libération, et combien d'autres, tout comme François Mitterrand, l'auraient mérité cent fois et pourtant ne l'ont jamais eu. »'
Testimony of the director of the Free France secret service (1942-43) that Mitterrand was spying for them at the Vichy government, stayed there only because of an express order, and accepted the Francisque as a part of his cover. Jules LT 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  prominent POV quote removed 

message: I'd be careful of including his membership in the Resistance as fact. Seems today, everybody who wasn't executed as a Vichy sympathizer is claiming to have been in the Resistance.  Trekphiler 16:52, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: it seems sometimes that after 1945 every frenchman was in resistance ;)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.216.89.205 (talk) 08:18, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  a bit like every American sheds a few patriotic tears when reminiscing about WWII and the hero that their daddy or uncle was as he liberated Europe ; when in fact the number of Americans having truly a direct relative that landed in Normandy is around 0.5%.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.178.123 (talk) 05:57, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resistance? 

message: How can any discussion of Mitterrand not include any mention of domestic politics beyond the end of the Dealth Penalty and the 1983 economic troubles - e.g. no mention of any of Mitterrand's Prime Ministers (Mauroy, Fabius, Chirac, Rocard, Cresson, Bérégovoy, Balladur)? For that matter, why has the French entry (just replace the en.wikipedia with a fr.wikipedia) not been translated where applicable? Skington 23:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Domestic politics 

message: Just like the French press. 131.107.0.86 19:43, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Vox populi, vox dei -- http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/story/0,,1676950,00.html --Constanz - Talk 16:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is a whitewash

message: The Wikipedia article on François Mitterrand, who served as president of France from 1981 to 1995, does not take a neutral stance on the man and his career. The language, organization and fact choices of the article make clear the author’s negative opinion of Mitterrand. Even though the sources of information for the article are weak, the author attempts to convey the disreputable nature of his career by citing various scandals and controversies. Because the author is biased, it is difficult to obtain an accurate picture of Mitterrand from reading this article.
By the end of the third paragraph, with the comment about Mitterrand denying having received the Francisque, the author is already trying to establish Mitterrand’s sketchy past. He or she is trying to persuade the reader that Mitterrand was a less than honorable man who will be remembered more for scandals than for what he accomplished during his presidency. The author mentions Charles de Gaulle’s supposed dislike of Mitterrand, his covering up of illegal acts during the repression of the independence movement, and a possible attempt to stage his own assassination. Other scandals include false health reports, adultery, and an anti-terror cell he set up that may have “obtained wiretaps on journalists, politicians and other personalities who may have been an impediment for Mitterrand’s personal affairs.” Scandals are mentioned throughout the article and the author ends with a section devoted to them, so the reader is left with little recollection of Mitterrand’s accomplishments but a strong memory of the controversy that surrounded the president’s career. 
Though the author uses phrases like “he was said to,” one senses that the author is assuming that the alleged stories are fact, and that he has drawn conclusions about Mitterrand based on those stories. Also, the author mentions Mitterrand in relation to other leaders and sometimes it appears that Mitterrand does not measure up. The author seems to favor Charles de Gaulle, noting that Mitterrand was “one of the few to object to the nomination of Charles de Gaulle as head of the government and de Gaulle’s plan for a French Fifth Republic.” The author also uses a phrase usually applied to de Gaulle’s decline to Mitterrand’s decline (“crossing of the desert”). When discussing Mitterrand’s annual laying of a wreath on Philippe Pétain’s grave, the author makes sure to remark that “the annual tributes…marked a departure from those of his predecessors.”
The article is convincing in its portrayal of Mitterrand as a controversial figure whose career was characterized by some major accomplishments but also a great deal of scandal. The article also convinces the reader that much about Mitterrand is not known for sure; there is a fair amount of speculation surrounding all of it. It appears that the author tries to downplay Mitterrand’s accomplishments and convince the reader that his legacy is not a good one. This is not convincing however, because Mitterrand served longer as president than any other man; he must have been more popular than the author makes him out to be.
The sources for this article appear inadequate. Unlike some Wikipedia articles, this article does not have a bibliography or list of references so it is unclear where the author is getting his information. He says that one piece of information comes from author Jean Montaldo but does not list the book. There are three numbered links within the article: two links to articles from the French newspaper Le Monde, and one link to an article on netscape.qc.ca. While these are acceptable sources, they cannot compare to primary sources or articles from historical journals. The lack of adequate sources makes some of the author’s claims questionable.
The quality of writing of the article is not outstanding. There is a typo in the second paragraph: “an mid-level functionary.” At times it is a bit choppy and the paragraphs do not always flow into each other perfectly. The author also devotes an entire section to the famous last meal, and only briefly mentions Mitterrand’s personal life at the end of the presidency section. The article ends with a paragraph that states Mitterrand personally authorized what New Zealand called their first terror attack, which is an interesting choice for a conclusion that leaves the reader associating Mitterrand with terror and bombing. The inclusion of the discovery of the Human Immunodeficiency Virus is puzzling and seems unnecessary, as do the two paragraphs about Bérégovoy and Pelat. It appears that some pieces of information were included simply to paint a more negative portrait of Mitterrand. 
I would have liked to know more about Mitterrand’s “great projects,” because the projects that are listed seem to be very significant structures in France. Some additional information about his personal life would also be interesting. I also wish the author had discussed Miterrand’s popularity ratings and the general public opinion of Mitterrand, in order to give the reader an idea of why he held the post for so long. 
This article does not give the reader an adequate, well-rounded picture of Francois Mitterrand. Although it does provide some interesting facts and speculations on possible scandal that keep the readers’ interest, the author fails to completely describe Mitterrand’s career, accomplishments, and legacy.
128.239.212.172 13:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General review of article 

message: As a quick search proves it, he was definetely an agnostic and not a Roman Catholic anymore. Here one of these sites :[:http://www.denistouret.net/constit/Mitterrand_Franc.html]85.242.237.97 (talk) 18:03, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Agnostic 

message: François Mitterrand had worked at Vichy but he was not a nazi collaborator. There is a very big difference ! During some months, He thank Marechal Petain should save French honor and finaly he decide to work for french resistance.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.119.172.116 (talk) 07:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Withdraw of Nazi collaborator 

message: Now I'm not one for conspiracy theories, and I admit it is by some far stretch of the imagination that someone COULD PERHAPS MAYBE shoot themselves in the head 2 times, having 2 bullet wounds to the head makes the label "suicide" questionable at best right? Should we change the section to the neutral "Death of François de Grossouvre" 75.83.67.181 (talk) 04:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suicide(?) of François de Grossouvre

message: If Mitterand continued placing flowers on Pétains tomb all his life, does not that mean that he remained a fascist till his death? --Oddeivind (talk) 13:40, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  All the presidents before him (De Gaulle, Pompidou, Giscard) put flowers on Pétain's tomb as well. By doing so, they were paying tribute to the winner of Verdun (first world war), just like Mitterrand. Chirac was the first to break the taboo.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.2.242.166 (talk) 15:51, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Mitterand remain a fascist all his life?

message: I removed the genocide "quote" attributed to Mitterand for two reasons. 1) It was not quoted but attributed. The way it was presented in the article made it appear much more reliable than its sources could verify. One could rewrite the sentence to indicate that this is not a direct quote of some public statement. 2) Even still, given the extremely shocking nature of the quote, I maintain that it doesn't belong in a wikipedia article unless it can be verified. One could locate a public speech or comment where he says this (or something similar). Or, one could locate evidence to corroberate the claim that Mitterand said this (or something similar) in private.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.21.171.253 (talk) 00:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rwanda Quote 

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message: In 1982, Mitterrand's government nationalised a number of major banking institutions, including the Banque Rothschild. As far as I am aware this is not mentioned in the article at all under the economic policy section. There is an article about it on the French Wikipedia. Is it worth translating? Claíomh Solais (talk) 15:50, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mitterrand vs. the banks 

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message: In competently-written English, one states a person's full name, and then subsequently refers to them by their surname or a pronoun. In this article, though, "François Mitterand" appears more than a hundred times in the text. It appears more than once in some sentences. Why is the article written in this way? Ponymouse (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extreme shortcomings