Talk:Leet/Archive 6

message: This article doesn't follow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:NOT 
(not a dictionary). Feedback, thoughts? Businessman332211 16:20, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In breach 

message: I found this image on flickr. I'm not sure if it's good enough, but it has the appropriate license. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 15:18, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ehhhhhhhh, I think that might be from a Bishōjo game, though the translation is apparently to some form of Leet? Kinda weird. Mendaliv 20:51, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: Might want to consider re-wording. Apparently it can cause confusion as some may not understand the intended distinction between the Internet and online gaming. Maybe slip "forums" or "message boards" or something in there. 
Another thing. A page has been created for Endovascular Aneurysm Repair (disambiguation) and a redirect placed on this article, which makes no sense at first glance. Evar is redirected to Leet. I suggest that it be given to the medical article. If anyone searches for the leet version of ever--evar--I think they'll figure it out eventually. --LaraLoveTalk/Contribs 23:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: First sentence

message: This has been bugging me for awhile. How exactly is -& a suffix, or morphology at all? According to the paragraph it's just a typographical substitution, which would force it under the Vocabulary section, where similar multiletter substitutions are covered (such as @=at).
On a wider note, mightn't the Vocabulary section be better placed within the Orthography section (or vice-versa)? Their subject matter is almost entirely the same. Mendaliv 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morphology->"The -& suffix" and Vocabulary 

message: Because there are so many variations of the spelling of "Leet", I think that they should all be listed in History. The spellings are "31337", "1337", "l33t", and they were all in the article back when it was featured anyway. There are many more variations on "Leetspeak", so just that fact alone (that there are many variations thereof) should be mentioned.Cliff smith 23:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Variations of the spelling of "Leet" 

message: Would it be useful to know the pioneer of emerging leet speak terms? I didnt include it in the section on Pie because 
1. I dont know if anybody cares
2. I dont know if anybody would beleive it
3. Its likely that more than 1 person has thought of it without outside influence.
It comes from the most leet clan possible from counter strike bitches :P I PWN JOOOOOOOOOo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.163.133.208 (talk) 21:10, August 29, 2007 (UTC) 
I have modified the claim that leet was developed to avoid text filters, which has a citation (but that citation has no citation), because I think it is improbable.  Certainly, creative misspellings such as 'phone phreak' or 'fone freak' or 'phun' predate BBSes and IRC and can be seen, for example, in early issues of TAP magazine.  As I recall the mid 1980 BBS world, much of the leet speak at the time was used in private (elite) areas of BBSes where software piracy and other illicit things were allowed by the sysop.  So there was no need to avoid filters.  We said things like "K-Rad" and "D00D, U R A R0DENT" simply because it was amusing.  G-philes (general (information) files) of the time often contained ASCII art and ASCII art was used in many people's signature files.  The prevalence of ASCII art, which clearly had no anti-filter purpose, is a strong indication that substituting "|<" for "K" needs no explanation beyond the facts that people like to be clever and subcultures develop their own ways of speaking.
The text used to say:
It was primarily developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking.
Now it reads:
One theory is that it was developed to defeat text filters created by BBS or Internet Relay Chat system operators for message boards to discourage the discussion of forbidden topics, like cracking and hacking. However, creative misspellings and ASCII-art-derived words were also a way to attempt to indicate one was knowledgeable about the culture of computer users.
As a side comment, I was heavily involved in BBSing in the early and mid 1980s using the pseudonym 'The Heretic'. MattBagg 01:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins of Leet Speak

message: origins of the term pl0x?
often used in ragnarok online but where did it come from?
often used in place of please.
HappyDragon 16:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  pl0x 

message: ((editprotected)) We need to add ROFLOLMAO to the LOL and ROFL section!
:Rolling on floor laughing out loud my ass off? Seriously? LaraLoveT/C 17:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROFLOLMAO 

message: Zomg is used a lot. I was just wondering wether it's random, or if someone made a decision to put a Z infront of omg.
BEN
Yeah dude, ZOMG is supposedly where someone goes to hit the left-shitf button to capitalise OMG, but clips the Z key in their hurry. therefore, people use it when they're excited, or when they're mocking someone, 'ZOMGLOLWTF'
-Grim- 03:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zomg? 

message: Umm..... pwned doesnt mean purely owned.... soooo... yeah that's completly wrong.
SMILIES!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 :]
24.147.47.32 05:54, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Owned and Pwned 

message: In the histoury section they have a link in the word hacking.  Obviously this is reference to computer hacking so shouldn't we make the link to hacking instead of where it leads now?  I can't edit the page for some reason so someone else will have  to...  Thanks.  70.240.192.109 18:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hacker/hacking 

message: It's not really an argot anymore, is it?  It's pretty well known and is generally used to evoke a certain culture/attitude, not to be secretive. 24.239.55.35 21:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argot 

message: I'd like to add a section about the relationship between Leet and other jargons. Below are my general impressions, but I'd like to get other editors' input before I go and try to track down sources.
:Leet really took off with online roleplaying, but it has its roots in the 1980s when the hacker and roleplayer subcultures of the 70s merged to form the video gaming subculture. Hacker (as represented in the classic Jargon File), is a direct offshoot of the computer jargon of the 40s-present, whereas roleplayer jargon is an offshoot of Fanspeak (the jargon of science fiction fandom dating from the early 30s-present, as documented in the many, many glossaries and Fancyclopediae going back to the WWII era). Netspeak, and its recent (2000s) offshoot Lolcats are fed by all of these varieties, as well as by other fanspeak-influenced jargons (like Scadian, Furry, and Comix fandom) and popular slang varieties (like “gangsta” and “valley girl”), not to mention foreign languages (mainly Japanese via anime). And, of course all of these varieties cross-pollinate to varying degrees. You could say they’re all sisters. 
Thanks! Aelffin 16:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to other jargons 

message: This is very important piece of 1337 speak, for example this entire wiki page is an epic phail.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yourmom19 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phail 

message: The over exclamation on azerty keyboards replaces the '1' by '8', as in ZOMGWTF!!!888!888!88  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thrawn666 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azerty keyboards 

message: rofl, sum1 put up that fofl is more common than rofl.... i've never even heard of fofl, it sounds stupid when u sound it out too =P so i'd never use it... anyways, that statement should be removed, and i don't mean fofl should be removed, i mean saying it is more common should. anyone think so too?--FranzSS 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FOFL!!! 

message: Why is the "O RLY"? fad included on this page?  As far as I know there is no direct connection between this and "1337".  Perhaps this should be moved.
70.21.154.225 23:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, "O RLY" is just an internet fad / culture and has nothing to do with 1337, the section should not be included in the main article Inoesomestuff 22:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  O RLY? 

message: Leet ... is a written argot used primarily on the Internet, but becoming increasingly common in many online video games"
Um, aren't online video games by definition on the Internet?  Perhaps what's meant is the World Wide Web, rather than the Internet?
Matthew0028 04:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWW vs the Internet 

message: Do names like "4orty 2wo Entertainment" and titles like Th1rte3n and Numb3rs count as leet? If not, is there another term for them? --DocumentN 23:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Substituting letters for numbers in general 

message: The Leet alphabet has way more variations, i suggest creating a new article about them.
T)10 j00 |< /\/ 0 \/\/???? lol
--• Storkian • 16:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  There are WAAAAAAY more variations 

message: I think you can also write a J as a 9
Rainerbe 20:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  J 

message: Who corrupted my lols?!?!?!1111/8/1/one111eleventytwelve1/1/111/0OSHI-masa ♫ 01:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I did it for the lulz! 

message: another way to write the letter 'N' is |\|  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyrfxrssn (talk • contribs) 17:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  letter N 

message: :An episode of Jeopardy! saw a contestant wager $1337 (possibly as a dare) instead of a normal rounded figure number.
"possibly as a dare" should probably be removed as it is highly speculative.  the statement itself isn't sourced which isn't good either.  i'd fix or remove it myself, but seems to be locked at the moment.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.1.44 (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  speculation 

message: I can't believe this is on Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AMFilmsInc (talk • contribs) 00:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  |:| 

message: i think it's kinda important that zomg be included. this came into existence when noobs who were getting shot at crouched (z) and said something. they pressed "talk" before they crouched(z) when they said "omg before crouching, it came out as "zomg". that is all.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Epointt (talk • contribs) 06:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I AGREE DELETE THIS ARTICLE OR WRITE A LITTLE BRIEF SUMMARY ON WHAT IT IS IN INTERNET SLANG. I think we all know that... Do you realize there's no wiki for internet slang ehem i mean languages? This article might as well be a stub. --Storkian aka iSoroush Talk  02:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  zomg 

message: The first section of the LOL section has an ambiguity:
"Among the earliest Internet slang terms is LOL,[15] an indication of appreciation of humor ... It could also mean lots of love, but this is rare, if encountered at all in online culture.[18]" Curious to know which is meant, since it may be a somewhat off-topic comment.
Jaamkie (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fox 11 news has (famously) reported that LOL is an internet acronym for "Lauhging Out Loud".  I have only seen LOL tranlated as "Lots of Love" in a non-serious environment (for example, uncyclopedia "reporting" that one should reply "LOL" if a person's pet just died/contracted illness/is going for an operation etc). Tar7arus (talk) 11:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  LOL ambiguity 

message: I think the picture of a stopwatch and odometer showing 1337 are useless. After all, on ever other "number" page, do we have a picture showing a random object showing the number? We know what 1337 looks like, we don't need a picture of it. littlebum2002 21:55, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there a picture of a stopwatch on this page? 

message: glompage is a highly common one. Also, the -age suffix is comparable to -ing in traditional English; for example, "He was pwnage back there!" can also be written as "He was pwning back there!" Angelica K 20:21, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  On -ages...