Talk:William Leonard Pickard

message: Ok, wow, this article needs help. I wrote most of the original article and added all the cites, which link to documents on my Scribd account, and someone has done a LOT of adding to it. Most of what is added is unnecessary material, just facts from the case that are being presented here but are not encyclopedic at all. They should be for someone to read in the court testimony if they so choose. Someone please help me remove? jlcoving (talk) 21:34, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: **UPDATE: I reverted back to one of my last previous edits, I have no problem adding some of the information from the court documents, guys, but please do it along the Wikipedia guidelines. We can't just add every interesting fact of the case; people can follow the cites themselves and read if they would like to. That is what the cites are for. jlcoving (talk) 21:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Need some help!

message: There is some stuff on this page that makes no sense at all, like the quote refuting the previous post.
:: I guess even hack prosecutors can't resist ghost-gloating on WP; I can get behind that. 
:: Or is it an utter unfamiliarity with the subject that compels that anxiety? 
:: Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 21:46, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
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message: That should surely be 'grams', shouldn't it?  I have a hard time imagining the North American LSD market is as big as ten million doses a month... 98.193.112.19 (talk) 05:58, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it's difficult to make sense of but legal cases are often confusing. MAde that way by prosecutors for political reasons. but Please read the material in full if you hope to contribute. Quantity - and the DEA fantasy of quantity - was only one part of what made this case infamous. Hilarleo (talk) 00:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  nah bro these guys where the top dogs in the lsd game.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.216.36.52 (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can't imagine they were really that professional as is crazy to move the stuff every 2 years - that is way too risky. --93.221.245.236 (talk) 23:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the transcripts from every day of Skinner's testimony, transcript of sentencing hearings, and lots of motions and other documents in between and prior to trial. According to testimony, they were producing a kilogram of LSD every 5 weeks. Though the government calculates the value at retail level; the value for the kilo is more around $2.97M, as their largest customers (which is most of their customers, since they aren't exactly selling vials) paid a mere $.29/dose. jlcoving (talk) 01:42, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kilograms? 

message: I agree that this paragraph is inappropriate for an article on a living person, so I've moved it here. The paragraph, suggested for removal:
Within the recreational drug community, Pickard's record is controversial. Alexander Shulgin regarded his former student as having "pulled a Leary"- a reference to Harvard's original 'LSD Guru's quest to democratize the psychedelic drug experience at the expense of life-long notoriety, and some limits to his personal liberty and economic ability. Like Leary in the 1960s and 1970s, Rolling Stone even followed Pickard after the arrest publicity, publishing one article: "The Acid King" .
1. Where is the reference for the Shulgin quote?
2. So what if Rolling Stone wrote an article? That is not controversial.Tova Hella (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: :: The use of WP:Controversy is nuanced. It is not about eliminating all opinion in articles. "Facts" around living persons are frequently changing or in dispute. Thus the subject may be viewed from various POVs to form an overall NPOV. The controversy ban is enforced when material (even verified materials from reliable sources) are manipulated to maliciously slander a living person, especially for some hidden agenda. 
::Rolling_Stone is a reliable source, publishing world-reknowned journalists. The opinions of experts such as Shulgin who are intimately familiar with the laws, processes and advocates of Prohibition, are at least as valid as the opinions of those same Prohibition advocates. While comparing anyone's behavior to that of another person may not always be permitted in a court, it is a standard part of building a NPOV.
::Hilarleo Hey,L.E.O. 22:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy - a response 

message: I've been researching this case thoroughly, reading through thousands of pages of court testimony and other sources. I'll be updating it to the best of my ability in the weeks to come. This article could be much more detailed and if anyone is familiar with the subject I'd appreciate the help in re-working it. I think more attention should be paid to Gordon Todd Skinner and his own legal problems and the fact a New Jersey judge previously determined him to be of "very suspicious character and cannot be trusted."jlcoving (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New work coming 

message: This article sucks and is all plagarized from the small number of sources. I think it should be put for deletion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.62.114.248 (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly disagree. The main sources are .pdf documents that are court testimony from one of the main conspirators. The rest CITES sources when information is used. jlcoving (talk) 21:56, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I also strongly disagree. This is a topic that relates to the history of crime in the United States and regards a novel case with an exotic element (sophisticated clandestine activity) that may be unprecedented. Microswitch (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sucks 

message: Government informant Skinner testified Petaluma Al and the largest wholesale customers of Pickard paid 29.75¢ (or a little under 30¢) per 100 µg dose, which would put the cost at around $2.97 million for a kilogram of LSD.[2]
I've read the entirety of the linked transcript, did keyword searches on it locally and on Scribd, and I cannot find these per-dose figures in the transcript. Where are they coming from?
The closest I can find is towards the end around pg112-114, where Skinner says that there was a kilogram of LSD at the lab and also that Petaluma Al was going to pay $300k for an unspecified reason. If that $300k was for the kilogram, then obviously a kilogram cannot be $3m as claimed! And if you multiply it out (1000 * 1,000,000 / 300,000) you get 3333µg/$, and 1/3 of that is 1111µg, which is a lot bigger than 100µg... --Gwern  (contribs) 21:01 21 January 2013 (GMT)
::it's on page 7 HERE. Raquel Baranow (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that seems right. There's an error, though: Skinner says on pg8 that they didn't sell a kilogram at $2.97m, but $2.975m. I'm going to improve that section with a direct quote and some more specificness about what exactly Skinner was saying. --Gwern  (contribs) 22:05 22 January 2013 (GMT)
I apologize, this Talk page wasn't "watched" so I just noticed this discussion today when I noticed an edit mentioning a "Raquel Baranow." I wrote the majority of this article and downloaded the documents off PACER for sharing on my Scribd account; I also write to Leonard every now and then. I can assure almost everything in this article with specifics to the lab and how they did business was cited directly from the court documents. They are voluminous, so I understand if you don't immediately find them. jlcoving (talk) 04:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  29.75 cents claim not supported by reference? 

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thread_title:  What is correct birth location? 

message: User:Barnrazor your edits violate several policies  - WP:PROMO, WP:V and WP:BLP.   If you  don't understand why please ask. Jytdog (talk) 05:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits tonight 

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I don't know who wrote this, but I don't think they ever worked in a lab. A rotavap costs about a hundred bucks at any university surplus store, and a mantle is literally just a heating element wrapped in fiberglass. They look very sciencey, but they are not that expensive or sophisticated. What is this even cited to? I was expecting this sentence to end with "a HPLC" or "a GC-MS" or something -- not random stuff every lab has five of sitting around in the junk cabinet. jp×g🗯️ 23:02, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
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