Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Archive 1

message: The following discussion predates the adoption of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups Template; at this point, what articles to consider in designing the template is a closed issue, although probably all of these would merit conversion according to the template. -- Jmabel 02:09, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Existing articles that should be considered

message: *We will probably want to expand the article on Ethnicity to take up more of the issues of the difficulties of this concept and to explain the way we approach the concept in these templated articles.
*This is more complex than Ethnicity. There are at least 5 or 6 existing articles that should be reviewed for consistency. These potentially include Ethnic group - Ethnic cleansing - Ethnic nationalism - Language - Language families and languages - Linguistics. This is still ignoring issues like sovereignty, nation, etc. Lou I 19:26, 4 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancillary articles, not fitting the template, that need to be written in support of this work

message: I've started a draft template at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ethnic_Groups_Template, so 
Discussion of template moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_Groups_Template. -- Jmabel 07:41, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Topics that will need to be covered in the template

message: This project was started in response to the following exchange on Wikipedia:Village pump:
:Working on topics related to Eastern Europe, I have found it inconvenient that, for ethnicities/nationalities that have a nation-state associated with them, we always have an article about the nation-state and never, it seems, about the ethnicity. This is not a problem a single person can even begin to address -- I can tell that just by looking at some of the conflicts that have arisen about related issues such as German vs. Polish place names -- so I thought I would raise it here.
:For example, the article Ethnic German (one of the few articles about an ethnic group) is just a disambiguation page. When referring in the List of political parties in Romania to Forul Democrat al Germanilor din România, the political party of ethnic Germans in Romania, a link to Ethnic German is what is I would presume is called for. However, someone recently (and probably appropriately) changed that to link to Germany instead. Why? Presumably because Germany has a real article and Ethnic German does not.
:Nonetheless, I would argue that these two concepts are separate enough to merit separate articles (and the same for ethnic Hungarians, Romanians, Poles, you name it). We would never conflate Jews and Israel. We would never conflate Celts and, say, Eire.
:I admit that I have something of an axe to grind here: I am not a fan of ethnic nationalism. I feel that Wikipedia's current organization of this material constitutes an implicit endorsement of an ethnic nationalist point of view.
:I am not sure if this page is the best forum for this discussion, but it seems to be at least the place to open it. If someone wants to suggest a better forum, I'm totally open to moving this.
:-- Jmabel 02:07, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point.  WormRunner 02:42, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe you want to start a project so you can first collect ethnicities and then write article on them? Kokiri 11:05, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A fine idea. I'll start Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups Jmabel 22:41, 2 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin

message: I've attempted the first of what I hope will be several samples at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic Groups/Pequot. I can see that we will still have to refine the template, but I think the results are interesting (compare to Pequot). Among other things, it really points up a lot that could be covered in such an article and isn't in this one. Have a look, edit at will, and let's hope to supersede the existing article with this, soon. Meanwhile, if someone else wants to try to do an example or two, that would be great. -- Jmabel 01:13, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samples