Talk:Finnish–Novgorodian wars

message: Dispute whether the Yam were the same as the Yem requires a reference (will get it as I remember where I got that info). The dispute itself is not difficult to come in terms with as it stems from the following facts:
* Year 1042 sounds way too early for a Finnish-Novgorodian conflict
* Primary Chronicle's list of tributary people does not mention Karelians at all. This makes Yam as Finns sound strange, since Karelians lived closer to Novgorod than Finns
* Prince Vladimir Yaroslavich was leading a fleet against the Byzantine Empire in 1043. In this context, it would sound awfully strange that a man of this kind of ambitions was personally fighting on the other side of the continent only a year before, wasting his time against a meaningless opponent.
Based on this, it has been speculated that the Yam were an altogether different people somewhere in the southern plains of Russia. And a reference would be nice. --Drieakko 15:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yam and Yem 

message: The words Yam and Yem are referring to finnish tribe. Karelians use the degenerating word "Jämi" for them. (This is because members of this tribe have tendency to be quiet and look unhappy where as karelians are talkative to annoying extend.) Russians cant hear the last "i", they dont have letter for "ä" sound and russian "Y" is same as finnish "J". The tribe they are referring to is called "hämäläiset" form "häme" in modern finnish. (Tavastians form Tavast in swedish).
Another thing in the cronicles are the "finns" or "fenni" if you want to use the original latin form. This refers to the tribe that swedish have been in contact for a long time. But the own name for them is "suomi" witch comes from baltic (estonian) language and means "someone that comes from that land covered with water". So hence the name of the place where they live is "Varsinais suomi" eg "real/proper finland" and so tribe is "suomi" eg "finn".
Karelian isnt original name either. But when you know the original tribe lives in plase called "Karjaa" or "Karjala" witch means "place for cattle"...
So there we got 3 tribes that made attacks to novgorod. Yems, Karelians and Finns... Or "Jäämit", "Karjalalaiset" ja "Suomalaiset".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.155.177.30 (talk) 00:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little more about Yam and Yem from different source 

message: I am pleased to inform you that this article has passed it's GA candidancy. I think that the article meets the GA criteria. However, there are a few things that could use improvement like the lead section needs expansion and there are some un cited paragrahphs that need to be cited. So congratulations and I hope this article can improve more. Kyriakos 02:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for spending time with the article! --Drieakko 04:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GAC passed

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the majority of the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. In reviewing the article, I have found there are some issues that may need to be addressed. I have made minor corrections and have included several points below that need to be addressed for the article to remain a GA. Please address them within seven days and the article will maintain its GA status. If progress is being made and issues are addressed, the article will remain listed as a Good article. Otherwise, it may be delisted. If improved after it has been delisted, it may be nominated at WP:GAN. Here are the points that need to be addressed:
#The lead needs to be expanded more to better summarize the article, see WP:LEAD for assistance.
#Single sentences shouldn't stand alone, so statements like "Conflicts certainly got started in the early 12th century, however information on them remaining very scarce." either needs to be expanded on or incorporated into another paragraph.
#"It is disputed[Who?] whether "Yam" was an earlier form of "Yem" or altogether different people." The tag needs to be addressed, it appears it has been there near the same time as the GA nomination.
#"or probably the market place in Koroinen a few kilometers along the Aura River inland" Address the citation needed tag.
#:Image:Nevsky.jpg needs a fair use rationale.
#"However, a later chronicle entry from the mid-1220s said that Russian princes had not been able to dwell in Finland." Add a source for this statement.
If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 21:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: On Hold

message: I have delisted the article as a GA at this time since the above issues were not addressed. If they are fixed at some point, please renominate the article again at WP:GAN, it should have little problems passing. If you disagree with this review you can seek an alternate assessment at Good article reassessment. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page. I have modified the page history to reflect this review. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA delisted

message: :Image:Nevsky.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is  other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page.  Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Nevsky.jpg

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 11 external links on Finnish–Novgorodian wars. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070608003759/http://www.narc.fi:80/Arkistolaitos/sahkoiset/ to http://www.narc.fi/Arkistolaitos/sahkoiset/
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=16
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=74
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=76
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=72
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=73
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=74
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=75
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=76
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=77
*Corrected formatting/usage for http://193.184.161.234/DF/detail.php?id=78
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified