Talk:Shalka Doctor

message: Is it really the Eighth Doctor or simply vague as the Doctor in The Infinity Doctors? DrWho42 01:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's based on what the producers' intent was at the time. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preceding Doctor 

message: In the article is a statement that "Grant is to date only the second actor (after Sylvester McCoy) to portray two different incarnations of the Doctor on screen."  I've looked at the article for the Seventh Doctor and the article for Sylvester McCoy but cannot see in either of these a statement about McCoy playing two incarnations of the Doctor.  Where does this statement come from? --Snowflake Sans Crainte 12:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: McCoy played the Sixth Doctor (in a blonde wig and seen only from the back) for about five seconds in Time and the Rani before regenerating into the Seventh Doctor. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 12:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's quite a disappointing answer really. I thought it would be something a bit 'bigger' than dressing up because they didn't have the original actor. :( --Snowflake Sans Crainte 15:50, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hang on, if the article is taking this nonsense of including incarnations in comedy sketches seriously, then surely Jim Broadbent also achieved this, and before Grant did? Angmering 16:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose one could make the argument that Broadbent wasn't playing a particular Doctor (as opposed to REG, who was playing the Ninth [animated] and Tenth [conceited] Doctor). But of course you're right. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 16:57, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...or Terry Walsh, actually, come to that... Angmering 18:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actors Playing Two Incarnations of the Doctor 

message: Currently the article says:
:However, just before the webcast was released the 2005 series was announced, in which Christopher Eccleston would play a Ninth Doctor (as labelled by official sources, but not explicitly by the series itself) who was clearly different. In addition, the Doctor (as played by David Tennant) states in "School Reunion" (2006) that he has regenerated a "half dozen times" since he last met Sarah Jane Smith this is wrong, as Sarah Jane Smith met the 5th Doctor in "The 5 Doctors" (1983), So that would mean that he had only regenerated 5 times since they last met. So this means that there is an extra doctor somwhere between Peter Davison and David Tennant. Could this be the Shalka Doctor?
First of all it's poorly written.  An easy enough fix on its own, but at the core of things is this notion that you can't take the 10th Doctor literally in "School Reunion", and that this, affords the opportunity for the Shalka Doctor to sneak in there.  In all the discussion about REG 9, I've never, ever heard this particular theory advanced.  Why are we making this more complicated than it is?  He was announced as official, then the BBC decided to make a TV series after all, so they dubbed Eccleston "the Ninth Doctor".  It's really no biggie.   
Trying to find a narrative "place" for this Doctor is surely original research.  And there are any number of other, equally good explanations for the Tennant line. 
*It's easy enough to believe from Tennant's delivery of the line that he's just approximating.  
*Another theory is that SJS is never clearly shown to understand quite who the guy in the cricket gear is in "The Five Doctors".  She's not in shot at any time numbers are mentioned.  The nearest thing you can say is that she might have overheard the Second Doctor tell the Fifth that the latter is the "latest model".  But there's nothing specifically preventing her from believing that Davison is the 12th Doctor (or the 100th, since she doesn't know about regeneration limitations).   
*The one I've always heard is that the events of "The Five Dotors" was erased from all the companion's minds, save Turlough and Tegan.  There's nothing in the script to precisely confirm this, but the effects used to show the "temporal fission" at the end are precisely the same as those used at the beginning of the episode.  Therefore it might be assumed that everyone is returned to a point slightly before they started, leaving only the Fifth Doctor's TARDIS crew in possession of the facts about "The Five Doctors".   This might be said to be backed up by the failure of any other published story in any media (AFAIK) to give us a Sarah Jane who remembered the events of the Five Doctors.  The Brig's failure to mention the events of "Five" in "Battlefield" is possibly evidence of this theory as well 
*Taking into account all media, the theory of the last novel of the Eighth Doctor Adventures range, The Gallifrey Chronicles, is that the Doctor has "three ninth incarnations" (probably in reference to Eccleston, Grant and Atkinson).  This makes sense given the novel's basic mandate was to bring closure to the parallel worlds concept that had crept into Eighth Doctor stories.  
Point is, there are a lot of theories floating around out there.  The simplest explanation for the narrative continuity out there is no explanation at all.  REG was official when he recorded and unofficial virtually by the time he was broadcast.  Maybe the page could link to various theories, but advancing this one as "the" answer is a bit beyond the pail. CzechOut  ☎ | ✍ 07:16, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Article revised to take note of all this. CzechOut  ☎ | ✍ 09:18, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uh, what? 

message: If we view it this way it makes sense since War is the real 9th. Maybe him taking a break before finishing the time war. 174.92.132.116 (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Shalka = War Doc

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