Talk:Soap Box Derby

message: The history of this article exhibits suspicious behavior. In particular, the following paragraph seems to have been inserted and removed repeatedly:Quite aside from the various problems with this paragraph (no sources cited for what would obviously be a potentially controversial statement; use of the second-person imperative; various grammatical issues; no attempt to explain the difference between a wheel race and a rotating wheel swap race; no link to any article on the NDR, nor any information about where that race is held), its insertion has been marked as a "minor edit". Please don't mark edits as "minor" when they introduce (or re-introduce) entire paragraphs; the "minor edit" checkbox is intended for stuff like adding or removing a punctuation mark or fixing a misspelled word. I noticed this because I was considering commenting on this talk page regarding the various issues (chiefly in terms of the lack of cited sources) with that paragraph, but when I revisited the article to pick up a copy of the paragraph for quoting, it was gone. Then I looked at the history. Apart from that, if the material in the above paragraph were to be re-added, it ought to be accompanied by a citation or reference, an explanation of the difference between the two types of races and what implications this has for fixing, and better NPOV wording (e.g., with a statement like "NDR is considered the fair race" there should be a qualifier indicating who considers it to be so). -- Jonadab 13:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article history is weird

message: I just reverted the two anonymous, edit-summary-less content-deletions by 68.117.193.232, (who's only two edits are these removals of paragraphs from this article). The content-removal may have been justified, though I don't see how. The only vein of similarity between these specific paragraphs is that they are all critical of, or speak to the decline in popularity of, soap box derbies. I undid the removal as the edit served to push the article away from a NPOV. —Joel D. Reid (talk) 04:32, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biased removal of content? 

message: I suggested to contributors to cite references to these instances, the last having been written in a rather non-encyclopedic style. -- Bill Wrigley, 01:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandals 

message: These are my pictures used on this site. The girl with the white and blue car is my sister Daralyn Fitzgerald. I read the insert and it is correct. There are 2 forms of derby racing All American and NDR. NDR was formed in 1977 because the All American race was not fair. It has been going every since. Its usually the week after Akron and contestants compete in both organizations. The other pics are of the disqualified 1973 magnet car of James Gronen. For more references checkout www.zero-error.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.151.140.233 (talk) 19:18, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Added insert about my pics and explained what had been written

message: There are several links and a photo for the German counterpart but nothing actually in the page. Perhaps the person who added them would like to explain the significance? Ando228 (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  German Soap Box Derbies? 

message: TXDERBY, it is clear that you recognize the AASBD.org "history of the USC" publication that is referenced in the article that you keep deleting. You point out that you name is in the reference but not in the wiki article and you point out the D Delaney is in the article but not in the reference. If you recognizes the AAUSC history reference, then deleting the article content is nothing more than base vandalism. One may not like the way history has gone, but that does not give one the license to vandalize.
You do make one valid point. I have not supplied a reference for Mr Delaney's inclusion in the article. While we both know that it is true that he was involved n the race as a member of Zero error racing from 2008 to 2009 and as a member fo CSSN from 2010 unntil today, and that he is a wheel expert, I have not provided a reference to that fact. Thus, I have removed all mention of him from the article.
Also, feel free to add your own name to the article in reference to 2009. That is the point of Wikipedia. That would be a constructive edit, vs. vandalism caused by deleting entire sections. As the rest of the article is referenced to a source you recognize, please stop deleting it.
I see no taunts in the posted content. The winners, the teams, the records, the times are all referenced to AASBD.org or other external links. For example, the official history sites John Wargo as being the crew chief of the winning team in 2006. You have not provided any data or reference to refute this. You argument seems to be with the external source that we both agree exists and I have referenced. I suggest you contact AASBD.org and have them 'fix' their error and desist with your vandalism. Additionally, if the AASBD.org is not convinced to recognnize a different team leader, you could provide a reference some other source that proves that John Wargo was not the winning team leader or record in 2006.
As for the 'CMU" reference posted to taunt other teams. There is no taunting there. The reference supports the statement that there is overlap in technology between the two events. It also is not clear who would be taunted by this statement. The reference links to photos of vehicles from both events showing the same or similar wheels in use in both events over the past 4+ seasons.
As for the selected car photo, that is the car that won the most recent race (2011) and holds the current track record 26.585. I had also posted the prior photo of the 2010 top 3 finishers that was referenced in a previous edit of the article. I replaced it with this one as it is is more current and all 3 of the cars in the 2010 photo were either not involved in 2011 or had undergone significant revision prior to the race. I believe anyone rational would agree that the fastest car ever to have run the race is central to the topic. Feel free to post other photos, the more the merrier.
The things you have stated as 'facts' are not supported by any references. As the data I have posted here is direct from the official AAASBD.org website, I suggest that your 'facts' are a combination of irrelevant, unsupported, and incorrect. The governing body of the race has clearly recognized multiple record setters within the same year on more than one occasion. This is not my 'spin' on the facts. This is not a misrepresentation of the facts. This is what actually happened and what is documented in their published history.
on your numbered points:
#1 I referenced the org that runs the race, the AASBD.org. They describe the results as I have described the results. You provide no alternative reference. While there were faster times from other starting locations (higher up the hill) for different races, run with different rules at the Akron track in the past, they are not part of the Ultimate speed history. Those cars were not in the AA USC race and the AA USC race was not run from those faster locations. I have made no statements about results or history outside of the scope of the AA USC race and have included as complete a history of the data as can be referenced. It is an inclusive approach that recognizes every winner, several top finishers, and every record setter for the AA USC race. Your discussion of non USC races from different years , conducted under different rules (fastest times does not always win which is not the case with the AAUSC race) and has no bearing on the topic of the AA UCS race. You may wish to contribute to the other sections on this page with this information.
#2 Who's success is being diminished? These are statements of facts (team members, winners, top finishers, record setters, and record setters who also won). It is not clear how being listed as one of those things is diminishing. It is recognition of success.
#3 I do not understand what roosters have to do with this entry. Please provide a reference. As an aside, I will note that you and the rest of the zero error team celebrated your victory and record in 2009 with tweets, buttons, banners, and internet posts. You also made a stink in 2010 with accusations of cheating when you finished 2nd. The winners in 2010 and 2011 avoided buttons, banners, and tweets and had the grace to accept their 3rd place finish in 2009 without accusations of cheating.
#4 I have made no reference to a "CMU method". I have quoted the organization that runs the race being discussed.
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark c estes (talk • contribs) 02:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply to Ultimate Speed Challenge thread

message: The section on the scandal, includes the following: "Colorado was also banned from any future participation in the All-American Soap Box Derby." Does that mean that no one from the state of Colorado may ever, even today, compete in the derby -- just because of one family's two (one proven) cheating?  If so, that makes NCAA, MLB, NBA and NFL sanctions look like prizes. 211.225.33.104 (talk) 00:01, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandal - Colorado 

message: In Johnson City Tennessee in 1968 -1970 Joe M. Taylor winner in Johnson City 
  went to Akron,Ohio. Upon return an after years their are no mention of this race . Why  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.115.135.24 (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIRST BLACK Soap Box DERBY WINNER IN JOHNSON CITY TENNESSEE