Talk:New York School (art)

message: Norris Embry Norris Embry is listed as a Beat poet. He was an abstract expressionist painter. Rev. H. Carlton Earwiggherd (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Embry

message: The New York School which represented the New York abstract expressionists of the 1950s was documented through a series of exhibitions commenced with the 9th Street Art Exhibition in 1951 and followed by consecutive exhibitions at the Stable Gallery, NYC: Second Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1953; Third Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1954; Fourth  Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture, 1955; Fifth  Annual Exhibitions of Painting and Sculpture, 1956 and Sixth  New York Artists’ Annual  Exhibition, 1957.9th Street Art Exhibition,;  Second Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture,; Third Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture,; Fourth Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture,; Fifth Annual Exhibition of Painting and Sculpture,;  6th New York Artists' 6th Annual Exhibition.
1957 represented the end of the New York School and the beginning of Pop Art and the following movements. Changing dates in the article without any reference in my opinion is inappropriate. Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia. It is free for all to participate in but it is not free to alter without reference.  
The “List of New York School artists of the 1950s” was modified with the addition of “and 1960s.” A number of names were added with birthdates of 1945 and 1947. This means that the artists were 13 and 15 years old in 1960. There is no reference as to the justification of their inclusion. Upon deletion they were reverted. The “List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s” should be clarified for the following reason: 
Comment: I think "New York School" is not completely interchangeable with Abstract Expressionism. Certainly there were non-NY abstract expressionists. I'm not sure the term "New York School" was widely applied to anyone who was not an abstract expressionist. I think a list might be better; I also think we need to clarify the criteria for inclusion, because something like this is useless to the reader if criteria are not clear. - Jmabel | Talk 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: School

message: I wonder if you could help me to solve the following problem: One year ago when I started to edit Wikipedia I tried to create a Category: New York School artists. This attempt was deleted. Category: New York School artists. The Category was deleted but the comments requested the list of the New York School artists. 
i.e.: Comment: I think "New York School" is not completely interchangeable with Abstract Expressionism. Certainly there were non-NY abstract expressionists. I'm not sure the term "New York School" was widely applied to anyone who was not an abstract expressionist. I think a list might be better; I also think we need to clarify the criteria for inclusion, because something like this is useless to the reader if criteria are not clear. - Jmabel | Talk 03:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't an article List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s. If you click the link, you can start it. Tyrenius (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion of duplicate names of artists in the article [[New York School (art)|New York School]]

message: List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s is a paragraph in the article New York School which is the present concern. 
In the past I listed the New York School artists of the 1950s. The list changed by the addition of artists from the 1960s who were not New York School artists and the dates of birth showed that some of the newly added artists had to be 3 or 5 years old in the 1950s or 13 and 15 in 1960. When you looked at the biographies of these artists it became clear that they did not belong to the list of New York School artists. (New York School artists are not equivalent to artists from New York City.) Some of the other added artists had nothing to do with this specific group of abstract expressionists. 
I added new references and a paragraph:==New York School abstract expressionists of the 1950s== following with ==Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951-1957==. I reentered the list of artists under the newly referenced title so the readers would find the information through clear criteria. 
The problem at hand is that now there is the modified old list: ==List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s== which has a number of duplicate entries. I would like to delete the duplicate names for the sake of clarity. I believe that the list:List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s is blocked for editing. Would you be kind enough to let me know how to proceed? Thank you. (Salmon1 (talk) 01:47, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't see any block on the article. You should be able to edit it. Could you please try to be more succinct in your posts and not repeat the same information. It becomes quite an ordeal to read it. All you had to say was that the list is in the article. Thanks. Tyrenius (talk) 03:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the help. I am able to edit now. I will try to be more succinct. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 16:21, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of New York School artists of the 1950s and 1960s

message: These long lists would be better as separate pages and are not suitable for embedding in a standard article.  If moved, edit summaries need to state clearly what has been done for GFDL purposes. Tyrenius (talk) 11:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your immediate response. Those who are interested in the subject will find the encyclopedic presentation most useful. The most difficult and unique contribution in the list of the “==Complete List of Artists' Participation in the New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals, 1951-1957==” is that it was derived from the exhibition posters. The list as such only exists in the book New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists, and now it is easily accessible to all. Sincerely, (Salmon1 (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having just stumbled across this article, I agree it is rather chaotic, poorly described and poorly referenced. I've no idea why the list of people in New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals is included - there is no explanation of what it is and why this is important to the subject. The non-notable, unreferenced names are counter to the WP:LISTPEOPLE guidance. I've removed some of the non-notables, added wikilinks to a few others (whose article has been written in the last 4 years). But overall, unless an explanation is added to the article, it should probably be removed. Sionk (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: This artist does not belong to New York School and should be deleted. Any opinion? (Salmon1 (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Never heard of him, and there is nothing much on google about an artist born in 1931 of that name that I found, although there is a youtube video. He appears to be an artist from Puerto Rico, but not a NY School artist...Modernist (talk) 02:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Domingo Izquierdo

message: Jack Roth did not participate in any of the "New York Painting and Sculpture Annuals (1951-1957)." Please see book: New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists, His name is moved to "New York art scene in the late 1950s and 1960s." (Salmon1 (talk) 13:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: moving Jack Roth name

message: Rationale:  I don't see how this disorganized listcruft really explains anything about the New York School...it might work better as spinoff list articles, some it might be able to incorporated at NYS, some belongs in other articles...I haven't really thought how yet, but it doesn't work and seems to clutter the article.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removing material

message: Editors should bear in mind that not every artist who once lived or worked in New York (a very large and diverse group that would including most famous American artists) can reasonably be called a member of the New York School. That's not what New York School means. TheScotch (talk) 03:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: But the term has been applied to many artists and it's not up to us to decide who belongs. Let the sources determine that. freshacconci talk to me 17:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Robert Atkins, in his book "Artspeak" suggests that "New York School" refers to a distinction with the pre-World War 2 School of Paris. He considers "New York School" to include "Abstract Expressionism" and possibly "Color Field" painting and "Minimalism". Bus stop (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''New York School'' is not New York 

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message: Should we be distinguishing in this article between visual artists of the Second Generation New York School? I see this is currently missing. Jooojay (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: First generation vs second generation artists?

message: Mark Rothko
Barnett Newman 
Clifford Still 67.241.180.130 (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing artists