Talk:Survivorman

message: What is the name of the Survivorman theme?
:The theme was composed by Les Stroud himself and can be downloaded at  http://www.lesstroudonline.com/downloads.html -Ccscott 01:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not anymore, that link is dead -BobTheMad 02:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivorman theme 

message: I noticed, in the episode where Stroud is in the Canadian Arctic, he seems to disturb something while trying to light the fire, glances over his shoulder and says, as if to someone else, "oh, sorry," and what sounds like another voice can be heard briefly before the cut to a different camera angle.  In addition, there are extreme long shots of (presumably) him crossing large expanses of wilderness that seem impossibly difficult for him to capture himself.  While I believe he's truly alone out there most of the time, it seems as if there's a crew just a few miles away filming these long shots and checking up on him from time to time.  Does anyone know for certain if that's true or not? ChadScott 07:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I watched that episode and heard no voice.  He talks to his cameras a lot.  So do people with video cameras in real survival situations.  I remember seeing a show about a guy who was stranded on Hawaiian lava flows (I Shouldn't Be Alive, perhaps?).  When he decided to destroy his video camera to start a fire, he said it was like killing a friend.  It was his source of solace, being out there alone. -- Rei 01:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: You have made an accusation, but have no proof that he does not do what he says he does.  Yes, he really does setup those long shots himself.  He has several times during different episodes said that he had to walk back to fetch the camera.  As for camera movement, it was probably the wind moving it. -- Gogo Dodo 18:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I'd like to delete stuff like this that borders on vandalism, dude can't be bothered to make an account but get's to slander Les. The idea that if you can't see it it doesn't exist is way of thinking die even before ancient greek philosophers where talking about 4 "elements," (and wind was one of them.) it died with the creation of religion.  It could have even been a wild animal that was curious about the scent and nudged with it's nose or licked it. The Rockies have foxes, bobcats, and other curious critters. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 05:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not always alone? 

message: There was an episode where he was in the Rocky Mountains, and he had a camera set up at least half a mile away.  The camera moved, and then you see Les walking down the mountain side a good half mile away.  Did he really set it up and walk all the way back up for the shot, or is he not alone?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.240.223 (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have made an accusation, but have no proof that he does not do what he says he does.  Yes, he really does setup those long shots himself.  He has several times during different episodes said that he had to walk back to fetch the camera.  As for camera movement, it was probably the wind moving it. -- Gogo Dodo 18:21, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I'd like to delete stuff like this that borders on vandalism, dude can't be bothered to make an account but get's to slander Les. The idea that if you can't see it it doesn't exist is way of thinking die even before ancient greek philosophers where talking about 4 "elements," (and wind was one of them.) it died with the creation of religion.  It could have even been a wild animal that was curious about the scent and nudged with it's nose or licked it. The Rockies have foxes, bobcats, and other curious critters. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 05:58, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Wind blown camera confuses some viewers.

message: I have undone the deletion of the external link to the fan forum Arctic Cove. I believe this discussion forum has an argument for a certain amount of authority. The administrator of the forum, Trooper Max, has claimed to know Les Stroud (Survivorman) personally and has many times posted first hand correspondence directly related to the television series. Also, the FAQ on the forum, comprised of member questions to Les Stroud, is a direct source of official Survivorman FAQ and has received official replies from the subject of this article. On these grounds I feel that the Arctic Cove forums, while technically unofficial, are in many ways authoritative and deserve a link on the Survivorman wiki article.
-- Anon User 19:02, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it. It may have links to people within the series, but forums are prohibited in point #10 at WP:EL. The forum also seems really, really slow. There are only three sections out of eleven that have more than 20 messages and most haven't been updated in quite a while. It doesn't even produce any sort of information at Alexa. This indicates that it isn't even all that popular among the fans. I really see no reason to keep the forum given the guidelines and the information I've found out about it. If there's something I'm not seeing or missing, please let me know. --132 13:28, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argument for Keeping Fan Forum Link 

message: This section should probably be removed. It violates the policy that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. I brought it up here before doing so since it would be such a major change and I wanted to get other opinions on it first and see if there are any ideas on how to revamp the section instead of just removing it all together. --132 14:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with it's removal for the reason you stated. -- Gogo Dodo 18:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since it's been a few days and this is the only reply I've gotten, I'll just assume others agree with me or just don't care. I will remove the section for now. If there are any arguments to keep the information or possibly revamp the section, please leave a message here, state your position, and gain consensus before re-adding it. Thank you. --132 00:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Survivor tips. / The tips are the show. 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:SurvivormanLogo.JPG

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Survivorman dvd cover.jpg

message: The top of the Survivorman article talks about Les by saying, 
"But due to this he takes no risks and is incredibly boring. Also Bear Grylls (star of man vs. wild) has much more knowledge and skill when it comes to surviving. "
Anyone who has seen both shows knows neither point is true. In fact, all the following info below this first section supports the notion that Les might save your life, while Bear will probably get you killed. I'm new to Wiki, how do you edit this top portion of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewbork (talk • contribs) 
:It was removed as vandalism. -- Gogo Dodo 04:21, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides, it would seem fairer to describe guy as "somebody who can starve for seven days in any environment", or "somebody who can demonstrate basic wilderness survival in the Amazon if you're lost at a riverbank with a knife, match, tinder, whistle, spear, blowgun, canoe, and a spare house (except for starving as usual, severe foot fungus, diarrhea from drinking unboiled water, until running away from a jaguar and giving up...) 204.186.60.29 00:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: http://www.daughtersoftiresias.org/bearwiki/Evidence  Rtbh99 06:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is the Talk page for Survivorman, not Man vs. Wild. -- Gogo Dodo 07:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i know its just i cant let the survivorman fanboy inside me stand down sometimes Rtbh99 05:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless you have proof that things were staged in Survivorman, your comment was not particularly helpful.  As for the cabin, if you listen carefully, you will know that the Canadian government setup those cabins for lost travelers.  Yes, it was lucky that the hand sanitizer was there, but if you are implying that the cabin was a setup, then you are wrong.  Either way, see the comment above: this Talk page is not for comparisons between Survivorman and Man vs. Wild. -- Gogo Dodo 07:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: *I saw that episode last week, there is nothing worse than low integrity competitor editors with too much time on there hands. I would recomment a no tolerance attitude to fans of the other show making stupid comments or comparisons here. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 06:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Reading the linked article (http://www.outdoors-411.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=6576&sid=d357dfd92c742193ebf687da0b1a8377) where it discusses Les being fined for illegal filming, it seems that his crew is much closer to him than he leads the audience to believe, and perhaps he really is not stranded if they are sitting in a camp so close to him? GCD1 14:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Les hasn't said anything that I can remember that led me to believe that the team was very far away. It is only logical that they would be within a safe distance, just in case something were to go wrong. He probably has a radio with him in case of such an occurrence, as he did in that once episode, wahchomacallit. But I don't know. Either way, there is no evidence of anyone staging anything. 4.231.133.198 00:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article intro 

message: The source is unreliable.  It fails WP:RS.  Maybe archive.com has a copy of the old page? In any case, if the content is impossible to verify (WP:V) with reliable source (WP:RS) then it aught to be removed... right? ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 06:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When I originally updated the reference from the original to the forum link I did an exhaustive search including of the Internet Archive, the National Park Service and several other caches with no luck - it seems some content on the NPS wesite becomes unavailable after a weeks or so and no archive source caught it. As per WP:CITE, such dead links still meet WP:RS but I choose to change the link to the next best available link which still had the text which happened to be a forum post. However, in addition to this I should have marked the link dead as per Wikipedia:Dead external links to avoid any confusion but another editor has kindly done this for me. Ccscott 08:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that this information is completely unverifiable.  I'm going to see if its published somewhere else. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 15:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I was able to find the original.  Who's the man now dawg? :) ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 16:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good job! Ccscott 16:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  forum source 

message: I added some info for the show Stranded, but from my research even Stroud himself refers to Stranded as a pilot of Survivorman.  I see no reason not to merge the article.  Thoughts, opinions? FantajiFan (talk) 01:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that rationale, I would have no problem with merging.  Considering how short the article is (and probably would be for the foreseeable future), it might fare better as a section in Survivorman.   21:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I would only say move it if it can be verified that this was the pilot for Survivorman.  A link to Stroud saying as much would be fine.  -- JTHolla! 01:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: if anything stranded should be merged with the Les Stroud page NOT the Survivorman page. while i have been waiting to see Stranded it is NOT a part of the survivorman series, much like the other things that Les Stroud has done like "snowshoes and solitude" or his music. I dont think it should be part of the surivorman page. the "how to survive natural disasters" show for discovery that was hosted by Les and refers to the survivorman series could be considered a spin off.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.153.38.210 (talk) 17:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that it should be merged. From http://www.lesstroudonline.com/shoponline/ "Stranded with Les Stroud - DVD: Features Les Stroud surviving in the summer and winter. See where Survivorman began." Granted, he doesn't call it a "pilot."Agentlame (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Stranded? 

message: Through the article both names, Les and Stroud, are used in an interchangeable. I think it would be better for consistency to either use Les or Stroud on all the article and replace all occurrences of the other name.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AV-2 (talk • contribs) 06:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Does anyone know if there's going to be a Season 3? --Tocino 06:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in the beginning of the table.  Feel free to add in an episode summary. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The summaries can certainly be longer than they are now.  I would say that you should keep it under a paragraph. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

text: I agree that it's noteworthy, but it is already mentioned at the end of the first paragraph. Could be made more emphatic, I suppose, or the footnote moved to the word "last".. Blokhead (talk) 05:11, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Three 

message: The first half of the article names Bear Grylls as the host, then the second half names Les Stroud?
I thought Bear was the host of Man vs. Wild.
Can someone fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.41.202 (talk • contribs) 
:The vandalism has been reverted. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Survivorman Bear Grylls or Les Stroud? 

message: There has been several times when Les uses items on camera that he never mentions he had at the start or shows how he obtained it.  One example is when he was in the Austrailian Outback and he randomly pulls out and uses a hatchet to get grubs out of trees.  He did not have it with him from the beginning or obtain it from the information shown on the episode.  Was there a scene removed that showed how he got that hatchet or explains why he had it?  Or was part of that episode staged and they made a mistake covering it up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.37.254.110 (talk) 18:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes he has things along with him, though doesn't always go through an inventory each episode.  Survivorman isn't staged unlike Man vs. Wild. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So you mean Les is just tossed out of a moving vehicle, without knowing where he is or how long he will be out there, and with no chance of being rescued?  No, Survivorman is also staged, but less of it is.  --moeburn (talk) 05:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

text: It seems to me, after watching several episodes, that he seems to have everything he needs with him.  So much that it almost doesn't even seem like surviving.  It claims he has no water, no food, and no camera crew.  The only part that seems correct is no camera crew.  Les has some food and water with him at the start of nearly every episode.  There are even some episodes where all of the food he consumes for the entire length was what he had with him.  It seems false for him to make that statement.  Anyone can survive for a week if they have a backpack with a reasonable amount of food.--71.210.179.250 (talk) 23:36, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Off the top of my head, I can't think of a single episode where he has had a backpack full of food.  If he has food with him, it's usually a very minor amount.  -- MeHolla! 12:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objects of Unknown Origin 

message: Apparently Les quit in 2008, but I just saw a commercial on the Science channel touting new episodes.  This information should probably be integrated into the article, but I don't have time right now.  71.63.105.172 (talk) 06:18, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Science Channel's "new" episodes are the 2008 season shown on The Discovery Channel.  It is just "new" to The Science Channel.  If you look at the episode guide on the Science Channel, those episodes were already shown on Discovery. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:49, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Episodes in 2009 

message: I'd like some fact checking from other wikipedia users. According to a change on the Les Stroud article, Les very clearly stated in January of 2009 that he is not stopping production after season 3. I have removed the statement about retirement and included the cite, but I would appreciate if anyone else can find a statement to this end. To be safe, below is the original edit-code for the previous cite, in case we need to quickly retract my edit. I hope we don't, and it reads pretty clearly that Les is planning a Season 4 and perhaps beyond.
Liastnir (talk) 02:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I returned the original statement on Stoud's ending of the show as it is clearly meets all Wikipedia guidelines for verifiability. But there is no reason both statements can't co-exist until a more definitive statement on the ending of the show is published or Season 4 is officially announce so I am open to change this to reflect future revelations. CooperDB (talk) 09:35, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, good thinking. Thanks CooperDB.
Liastnir (talk) 18:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I took the statement out as the blog isn't a reliable source.  If Les had put it in his blog, that would be different, but another person's blog isn't reliable. See WP:SPS. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement Rebuked Jan 2009 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons.
===I SUGGEST IMMEDIATELY DELETING FUTURE COMMENTS=== 
...comparing this show to others without an improvement-to-article suggestion.
It is a waste of time to have debates with fans of other survival shows here.
Any criticism of the article subject or article that is not meant to improve the article 
should immediately be deleted as vandalism or trolling, etc. 
::"This is a talk page for discussion of the article about Survivorman. It is not for discussion about the program itself, unless that discussion involves improving the article. In particular, it is not for discussion about whether or not Survivorman is a "good" or "bad" program; or finding out what "this and that" are; or what will happen after "something". Please see " Wikipedia is not a soapbox" and "Wikiquette for information about the proper use of talk pages." - taken from TV tag at top.
*Support - GabrielVelasquez (talk) 09:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is plenty current stuff here. And I wasn't refering to current comments anyway, future ones. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, my mistake as I assumed you wanted to remove the old comments. Then I don't think you need consensus for this action. Just remove any irrelevant comments as they appear citing WP:TPO.--CooperDB (talk) 13:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ''SURVEY'' 

message: ...comparing this show to others without an improvement-to-article suggestion.
It is a waste of time to have debates with fans of other survival shows here.
Any criticism of the article subject or article that is not meant to improve the article 
should immediately be deleted as vandalism or trolling, etc. 
::"This is a talk page for discussion of the article about Survivorman. It is not for discussion about the program itself, unless that discussion involves improving the article. In particular, it is not for discussion about whether or not Survivorman is a "good" or "bad" program; or finding out what "this and that" are; or what will happen after "something". Please see " Wikipedia is not a soapbox" and "Wikiquette for information about the proper use of talk pages." - taken from TV tag at top.
*Support - GabrielVelasquez (talk) 09:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, there is plenty current stuff here. And I wasn't refering to current comments anyway, future ones. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 10:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah yes, my mistake as I assumed you wanted to remove the old comments. Then I don't think you need consensus for this action. Just remove any irrelevant comments as they appear citing WP:TPO.--CooperDB (talk) 13:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: I SUGGEST IMMEDIATELY DELETING FUTURE COMMENTS

message: This link: # ^ Lee-Anne Goodman (2008-04-04). "Canada's 'Survivorman' humbled to hear Manitoba man used his tips to survive". Prince George Citizen. http://www.princegeorgecitizen.com/20080404125729/wire/entertainment/canada-s-survivorman-humbled-to-hear-manitoba-man-used-his-tips-to-survive.html. Retrieved 2008-05-10.
The link is now dead. I followed it, got the home page of the site, and searched for "Survivorman" to see if I could find it, but it is dead. Not sure how best to re-format as a non-link citation (it's a valid news article, just not on the site anymore), or if there might be other articles about this somewhere that are still available. I don't really have time to look, ATM, so I figured I'd post it here in the hopes that someone else has a chance to look at it. Jedikaiti (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Reference Link 

message: Are there any citations on viewers who are sick of watching survivor shows on a channel that is supposed to be for science? I actually like the show, but have no idea why it fills hours and hours of a channel that is supposed to be set aside for science shows. 
Survival is a science, but only in the sense that making a sandwich or mowing the lawn is also somehow, remotely, a science. I wonder if it's even good for the show itself to have it in the wrong slot. Could there be animosity building up out there to the show, due to this mis-casting? 2602:306:BDA0:97A0:466D:57FF:FE90:AC45 (talk) 20:19, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Which channel? Anyway, doubtful, and unless it's a specific backlash against Survivorman, it would belong in that channel's article, not this one. Or were you just venting? :) --Fru1tbat (talk) 11:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Anything is a science

message: The show titles themselves are different, as are the goals/synopsis of the episodes for 'Survivorman Bigfoot'
Would anyone be opposed to separating the series'? 'Stranded' wasn't Survivorman according to the talk page and in my opinion, hunting bigfoot is not a part of traditional Survivorman either.
He's not alone, he's not filming himself surviving, he's not teaching survival methods and he's even appended 'Bigfoot' to the show's title sequence.
At the very least, don't include it as a standard season of Survivorman. The last two episodes of Season 5 were pilots for an alternate show concept, imo. (Mash) - 162.72.154.242 (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we have an official source for which episodes are in which season? If so, we should probably follow it. If not, I would not be opposed to separating the Bigfoot episodes from the normal ones in the article, but not splitting the article. Bigfoot is clearly at least a branch of the main program. A subsection should separate it enough, but I'm not sure it needs its own article. --Fru1tbat (talk) 17:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: This (a subsection denoting it's difference) is an entirely acceptable degree of separation for me, personally. (Mash) 162.72.154.242 (talk) 05:39, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed split of 'Survivorman' and 'Survivorman Bigfoot' 

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message: There are many references to “taping” and “videotaping” throughout this article. I realise that phrases based around antiquated technology are common, but not only are these ones particularly idiosyncratic, they are also inconsistent. This inconsistency is not only between these two terms but with the more commonly used “filming”, which is also present in the article.
The use of these words seems to be an eccentricity of a particular author.
For the sake of both accuracy and consistency, I propose that all references to “taping” and “videotaping” be changed to “recording” (technologically agnostic), or the much more commonly used “filming”. SlCKB0Y (talk) 13:09, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many references to “taping” and “videotaping” 

message: This article states that Stroud ended Survivorman after season 3 due to its physical demands. Stroud has denied this and has specially stated that the article that was sourced misquoted him. On Stroud's youtube channel at 1hr 28min 25secs on the video "Survivorman Les Stroud's Directors Commentary for Papua New Guinea Expedition!" he addresses this. Makamatin (talk) 05:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for the hiatus after season 3