Talk:Mille-Marie Treschow

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message: This article needs to have an introductory paragraph that explains who the subject is. As it stands now there is nothing that tells the reader why this person is important. The reader has to reach the third paragraph before finding out that she is the heir to a noble title in Norway.
: As of 1821, there has been no titles of nobility in Norway. After 1821, living persons kept their title, while their heirs became Stamhusbesiddere (estate owners) upon their deaths. No noble titles exist today outside the royal family. This situation is analogous to that in France, where no persons have a legal entitlement to noble titles, even if they normally would have inherited a peerage.  --Thorsen 05:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She is not heir to a noble title. First of all, the Treschow family is a mere noble family without title (like most Scandinavian noble families) which was ennobled by letters patent in the 18th century. It's name is derived from "shoe maker" and it does not belong to the higher nobility of Scandinavia, but to the lower. Secondly, in Denmark-Norway all members of a family will have the noble title except for the title of count, which is only held by the head of the family, who naturally is a man. Even if the Treschow had been counts, which they are not, she would by birth have been a komtesse (the title for the daughter of a count) and only until her marriage (to a commoner, currently Mr. Hagen). I've also corrected several other inaccurencies in the article, like the claim that she is styled "Highness" and lots of rubbish about royal people which have nothing with this woman to do. NorwegianRC 14:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, the noble status and titles awarded during the union of Denmark-Norway are not Norwegian but Danish. Even if the noble status and titles are not rezognized by the Kingdom of Norway, they exist by virtue of being awarded by the King of Denmark, and as such, Norwegian nobles may be found in the Danmarks Adels Aarbog. NorwegianRC 14:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
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message: I am somewhat fed up with recurring attempts of some to add "countess" and "highness" to this lady's article. The Treschow never had any title of count; not even a title of baron. They have been UNTITLED nobility.
Perhaps those editors who attempt to add such erroneous things to this article, are confusing her with a current Norwegian family with a real danish title of count: the family of Wedel-Jarlsberg. However, the fact that Mille-Marie Treschow happens to live in same province as the Wedel-Jarlsberg, does not make also her a "countess". Living in same province is not a way to inherit noble titles. Otherwise, every Londoner would be Duke.
I am not going to speculate who is behind those recurring attempts to give this lady any title or honorific her family has never received. Suedois 13:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
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