Talk:Breakdance

message: The article section on Dance Techniques begins with a systematic explanation of a b-boy set.  There is no rule that you go from toprock to footwork to power to a freeze.  The dance, if it ever was this systematic, is definitely not like this anymore.  For example, most power sets are thrown at the beginning of a set WITHOUT toprock.  I think the article should discuss each separately (unless we have solid evidence to back up this systematic approach), and perhaps then an added discussion of transitions between moves, whether it be toprock dropping down into footwork, or going from different power moves to freezes, etc.  I don't have any sources on this, but any b-boy should know that how you transition between different moves is key, and there is no order that b-boys follow.  If the toprock to footwork to power to freeze approach was a philosophy behind the dance, then there needs to be a credible source to make such a statement.  Otherwise this is spreading false information, and also misleading new students to the dance.  19:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: I think it would be worth adding a bit to the Controversy section about the definition of the dance. It states in the article that West Coast styles can be more abstract and housey (although this is a bit out of date as it's not just the West Coast of the US that does this these days) but there is no addition of the controversy that these styles create for more foundational bboys.
Perhaps something along the lines of:
There is also controversy about the definition of the dance. Break dancers that use the more classical version of the dance occasionally state that more abstract styles are "not bboying" which leads to the great debate about what break dancing actually is. There are two sides to this argument. One that states that break dancing should only include variations and continuations of the dance steps that have previously been defined whereas others see the dance form as a "do what you like" dance, meaning that anything goes even blending break dancing with other dance forms such as contemporary. This issue is especially relevant when considered alongside judging at break dancing events. If the outcome of the battle is not immediately apparent by differences in skill and technique the result decided by the judges tends to almost always be contentious to the audience and participants.
Breakdancing or Breaking was originally termed as breaking away from the conventional norm - prior to this dance form - dancing was done in an upright standing position - The Twist, The Pony, The Mashed Potato - but when Ric Silver[] decided to take the initive of his contemporary dance training onto the disco floor and broke away from the norm to take the dance TO the floor - a new art form was born. Known in Manhattan as "The Dancer" in clubs like Studio 54 and The Monster on Fire Island - Ric was given access to a large space of the floor and decided one night to utilize this space and got down on the floor and started "Breaking" - by Monday afternoon, kids in Mid-Manhattan were out on the street corners with pieces of cardboard copying what they had seen Ric doing at the club that weekend. It caught on and spread like a wildfire.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCsDancer (talk • contribs) 09:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: *Boys-of-street (*http://boys-of-street.7x.cz)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Premysho (talk • contribs) 21:32, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakdance teamy  

message: I think it is a little problematic getting references becasue there are no books for BBoying, and Websites are mostly forums. Does anyone know any reliable sites for information on BBoying that are not forums? And for external links, does it break the rules if we put forums like bboy.org, www.bboyworld.com, www.bboyzone.com for External Links? Thank you all in advance. Pseudoserpent (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good Idea, Ehug14! I watched it before, and I am a BBoy myselve. Could you please add some references in the main section of the acrticle please? Thanks if you can do it, and if not, thanks for the idea! :] Pseudoserpent (talk) 08:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference & External Links 

message: Does anyone know any good pictures that are not freezes (and do not break any copyright laws by using it on WP)? In my opinion, there are too many pictures of freezes. And the 1 handed handstand is more related to circus...should we change it?
BTW: Picture Ideas: Power moves (Mills, Flares, 2000's, etc), Footwork (6 step, Helicopters (Coffee Grinders, 1 Step)), or Toprocking? There is neraly no reaference to Toprocking, wich is one of the most important parts of a set, because it displays the BBoys (or BGirls) style. Thanks in advance. Pseudoserpent (talk) 08:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: I propose that we stop encouraging the use of the term "Breakdance" by merging the two articles (Breakdance and Bboy) together under the title "Bboy". Anybody well versed in Hip Hop culture can attest to the fact that "Breakdance" is a term grossly misused by the media when in fact, the dance is called Bboying or breaking. Since so many people nowadays utilize Wikipedia as an authoritative source of information, this change must be made so that the general populace does not continue to believe the facade of breakdancing. Replace Breakdance with Bboying and replace breakdancer with Bboy; merge the articles together.
poorequest to the BBoying page. I saw this was done in other articles, and it would be really effective for this page. Sadly, I do not have that much experience with WP... I see if I can find out how to do that, and will if enough people agree with it. Thanks, Ehung14! I see what I can do! :] Pseudoserpent (talk) 04:02, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If no one opposes in the next 5 days, I'll get started (and bear in mind if you oppose to explain why. Thank you! ) Pseudoserpent (talk) 06:56, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done! :) Pseudoserpent (talk) 21:38, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hold on here. You didn't "merge" the articles - you replaced the original b-boy article with the material from the original breakdance article and redirected it. I oppose this because this is not a merge - it's not what you said you were doing. If you want to merge, then merge. If you want to change article names by redirecting, that's a different story. Based on your contribution history, you seem intent on replacing the term "breakdance" with "b-boy" across wikipedia. Respectfully, I request that you gain consensus before proceeding with such a widespread change. Remember that wikipedia is based on fact, not truth, and therefore what the media says is important (no matter how we all may feel about that). --SesameballTalk 19:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sesamball, as I have explained in the B-Boy article (the one it redirects too), I am Working on merging. The merge will take a while, but still (since the article is still the same, but under a diffrent name) why shouldn't we forward it. I'm back i around six hours. Got school. :/ Pseudoserpent (talk) 19:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia IS based on fact. The fact of the matter is that the dance is NOT called breakdancing but rather, bboying. The only reason we still know it as "breakdancing" is because that's what people have continually to falsely perpetuate. This is an opportunity to remedy that. Ehung14 (talk) 21:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry that it took so long. Will be done in the next 24 hours! ;) Pseudoserpent (talk) 10:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with "Bboy" 

message: I am removing all mention of "New York City Dancer" Ric Silver, who was recently added to the article as if he were foundational to breakdance. He looks nothing like a b-boy on his website, I for one have never heard of him, and he was only recently added (with no edit summary) by a new user suspiciously called User:NYCsDancer. This acount has only been used to create the Ric Silver article and insert credit for himself into the breakdance and electric slide articles. - Draeco (talk) 23:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it has nothing to do with breakdance/bboying. Thank you for editing. :)  Pseudoserpent (talk) 05:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ric Silver 

message: There is a mention of THE FRESHEST KIDS in an earlier section of the page, but there is no mention of two recent & excellent b-boy documentaries, PLANET B-BOY and INSIDE THE CIRCLE.  PLANET B-BOY had a theatrical release earlier this year, and INSIDE THE CIRCLE had a successful world-wide festival tour; both films are being released on DVD.  Would it be possible for an "established member" to post the following paragraph, or something similar?
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The acclaimed documentary film "The Freshest Kids: A History of the B-Boy" (2002) provides a comprehensive history of b-boying, its evolution and its place within hip-hop culture and beyond.  "Planet B-Boy" (2007) brings contemporary b-boying alive as it follows crews from around the world in their quest for a world championship at Battle of the Year 2005.  The award-winning documentary "Inside the Circle" (2007) goes deep into the personal stories of three talented b-boys (Omar Davila, Josh "Milky" Ayers and Romeo Navarro) and their struggle to keep dance at the center of their lives.
Lwlolm (talk) 22:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've done that for you. :] Pseudoserpent (talk) 05:09, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding documentaries to the "Film and Television Shows" section 

message: I have read that the original Break Dance actually had origins when some NYC cats saw some Capoeistas playing Capoeira, circa 1975 in the Bronx. 
Does anyone have confirmation of this?
If so, why is it not mentioned?  It would mean that the roots of Break Dance actually go back as far as Africa.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.82.162.17 (talk) 03:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Break Dance actually have origins in Capoeira? 

message: Why is this page called breakdance? Traditionally it's breaking, and the wrong use in the media and among people who know little about the culture shouldn't affect the article being named correctly. Can anyone explain?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headbeater (talk • contribs) 03:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See above in the "Merger proposal" section - if you want it to be merged with b-boy, under the title "b-boying", then support the mergeCrateescape101 (talk) 00:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking