Talk:2004 United States presidential debates

message: The debate tonight (9/30/04) keeps being referred to as the "first" Presidential debate of 2004. There was a Presidential debate prior to this though (9/06/04). However, both President Bush and Senator Kerry declined the invitation. Mr. Badnarik running under the Libertarian Party ticket and Mr. Cobb running under the Green Party ticket both attended. A direct link to a Real Player verion of the C-SPAN event can be found here: rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04090604_third.rm.
Putting the facts aside for a minute I'm going to go into non-NPOV mode and say that the September 6th Presidential debate was much more informative than the one on Sept. 30th. The latter seemed more like an infomercial. Dustin Asby 09:06, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not the first 2004 debate. 

message: Is there a more objective and less controversial source for polling results to use in the main article? Gallup has been discredited as biased at worst, and controversial at best. Stbalbach 22:46, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source for this claim? You might post it at the Gallup wiki page, to which this article links, and readers can come to their own conclusions. Bds yahoo 20:22, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallup poll 

message: I noticed the second listed third-party debate said the Libertarian, Green, and Constitution Parties were present.  I have the c-span video and I don't see Peroutka, so I removed that party from the list.  I also added information about the October 6th debate.  Is the first listed debate appropriate for the page?  Candidates hadn't been nominated at that point.
--Thorne 03:36, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Party Debates

message: Can somebody (perhaps Glenn Willen, since he made the edit) explain how bringing a pen was a violation of the rules?  Both sides were seen writing down notes, so I don't get this.  Unless there was some rule that candidates could not use their own pens, only those provided, in which case that should be stated in the article, for clarity. Bds yahoo 19:58, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, added citation to Memorandum of Understanding for pen rule. Also removed some stuff I added earlier which I now feel is extraneous and potentially POV; it is up to the reader to decide whether Kerry's removal of a pen from his jacket, in technical violation of the MOU, is "cheating" or not. (Obviously not in spirit, but I now think it would be extraneous to say that.) Glenn Willen (Talk)  23:37, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pen is Mightier...

message: wasn't there a controversey over kerry's statements about mary cheney? all the republicans were going crazy about kerry "outing" her, then the democrats were going on about how the republicans were "ashamed" of her, if i remember rite. Xunflash 16:09, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: MC was already out, they were just complaining about her being mentioned. Schizombie 05:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mary Cheney

message: I've removed the pointless reference to the Democratic Underground poster from the controversy section. It seems very unlikely to me that most people would consider that random forum posts from indeterminate users constitute encyclopedic material. --208.41.98.142 18:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless DU Reference Under "Controversy" 

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message: The statement "Cheney was viewed as the winner due to his forceful command on the language." is not supported by any footnotes or data. I found this information that contradicts that statement. Clearly there was no agreed upon "winner" by a majority of the polling sample.
RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE: CAMPAIGN 2000; Polls show no clear winner of VP debate; The Boston Herald October 7, 2004 Thursday
The ABC poll of registered voters found Cheney beat Edwards 43 percent to 35 percent, with 19 percent calling it a tie.
But one skewing factor to the ABC poll appeared to be its sample. -The network found viewership was made up of 38 percent Republicans and 31 percent Democrats, with the rest independents.
The ABC poll showed, though, that no votes changed after the debate - with Bush/Cheney beating Kerry/Edwards 51 percent to 48 percent before the debate and 50 percent to 49 percent afterward.
The CBS poll gave the nod to Edwards, 48 percent to 28 percent, with a much larger group, 31 percent, calling it a tie.
The network also found a greater number of voters said their opinions changed for the better for Edwards than Cheney - 49 percent said they like Edwards more now and 32 percent like Cheney more.
Nightkey (talk) 04:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Winner" of the vice-presidential debate 

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message: There were four countries that participated in the invasion.  The United States, United Kingdom, Australia and Poland.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ofhistoricalnote (talk • contribs) 10:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: You Forgot Poland

message: United States presidential debates MOU, 2004 was merged into here, per an earlier request, there being seemingly no reason against.  Wasted Time R (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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