Talk:History of Islam in the United States

message: Here is a list of possible source materials for the early history portion of this entry.  Please add to it:
* Austin, Allen. 1984.  African Muslims in Antebellum America: A Sourcebook.  New York: Taylor & Francis.
* Austin, Allen. 1997.  African Muslims in Antebellum America: Transatlantic Stories and Spiritual Struggles. New York: Routledge.
Amazon link
* Diouf, Sylviane A. 1998. Servants of Allah: African Muslims Enslaved in the Americas. New York: New York University Press.
* Lovejoy, Paul.  1994.  "The Central Sudan and the Atlantic Slave Trade." In Paths toward the Past, edited by Robert Harms. Atlanta: African Studies Association Press.
PelleSmith 16:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I've read a significant part of the book by Diouf. Unfortunately, it mixes history of Muslim slaves in the Carribean with those in what evnetually became the United States. Thus, I haven't added content from it, due to fear of irrelevency.Vice regent 18:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Source Materials 

message: If this is true "In 1587, a shipload of Muslim Moriscos landed and settled in the coastal towns of South Carolina, Eastern Tennessee and along the western belt of North Carolina mountains." then where were the mosques or evidence of Islamic practice. These people were free and not impeded in following their faith. Yet they left no evidence anywhere of Mosque or the practice of Islam. They settled in the mountains , they could have built mosques with little contact from the outside world.--CltFn 05:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again with the strange arguments based upon some supposed "logic."  Why should there be evidence of mosques?  In fact why should we even assume they kept their practices up?  Why should we believe that they kept their beliefs even past one generation?  Stop trying to throw red herrings into sourced claims with naive logic.  Find other sourced claims.PelleSmith 11:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they Muslims?Even the trader that first came from Arab to Indonesia which has been lost for months still faithful
12:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

text: And its  not a matter of strange arguments as PelleSmith would say but simply a matter of common sense and a reality check. Without these one might be prone to believe that the moon is made of green cheese just because someone has found a source for the claim. Why should there be evidence of mosques? Because it would support the claim that is being made and the lack of mosques or even traces of Islamic practice raises serious doubts as to the historicity of such claims. --CltFn 12:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason to believe that mosques were built or that they have withstood the test of time.  Again why would anyone assume that?  That's ridiculous.  I don't know if the claim you are attacking is true or not but my point is that you can't just apply some "logic" that doesn't have any contextual precedent to whatever historical period you want.  Also please stop mocking other editors.PelleSmith 15:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the mosques were destroyed or razed. It may be that no archaeologist has ever bothered looking for them. There are so many possibilities.Vice regent 15:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  More likely they never existed because no Muslim ever landed in the coast of the US in 1587.--CltFn 12:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Where were the mosques or evidence?? 

message: I am merging this article back into Islam in the United States per the consensus on that talk page at the beginning of the month. Please do not unmerge it again without discussion or major expansion. Yahel Guhan 04:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there was concensus. Please nominate this article for deletion if you think it shouldn't exist. But I think that this is a notable and expandable topic.Vice regent 21:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I merged the article due to the excessive consensus on Talk:Islam in the United States. Almost everyone supported a merge. I'd rather have this title redirect here rather than waste everyones time going through the afd process. If the section gets big at Islam in the United States, then we can create a sub article. As long as the article is as short as it is right now, the topics need to be merged. Yahel Guhan 21:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most votes for a merger were given before 20 July. But since then the article has grown.Vice regent 16:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: not enough. If you want, re-open the discussion there, but for now, stick to the consensus. Yahel Guhan 02:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging