Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in New Jersey

message: *__: __ photos, __ drawings, and __data pages , at Historic American Building Survey
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Then edit as makes sense:
*For the NHL summary, fill out the date, URL, NHL program title for the site.  Move to the appropriate place in the NRHP infobox (just before the "added=" row) 
*For the NRHP text/photo PDF links, replace two occurences of __REFNUM__ within URLs by the NRHP reference number from the infobox.  Then hit preview, and the URLs will usually be valid, and you can bring up the PDF files and fill out the rest of the NRHP PDF footnote.  Delete the NRHP PDF footnote (or just the photo part) if in fact there are no NRHP text (and photo) documents available.  Get the author who prepared the Inventory-Nomination, and the preparation date from Section 11 of the PDF text document.  Oh, if it is titled "National Historic Landmark Nomination", then use that term instead of "National Register of Historic Places Inventory-Nomination" in the title of the document.
*For HABS, note the number formatted like NJ0000 that displays in the browser window title and edit "nj0000" within the URL accordingly.  Paste in the HABS title for the site, and enter counts of photos, drawings, and data pages available. 
3. Go through all the talk pages, pasting in the following text and editing out what does not apply.  Paste the whole following text in, but cut out the last line and paste it into the edit summary before saving
:Update: I went through all 55 and added Wikiproject New Jersey and Wikiproject NRHP to each article's Talk page, and added the photo request to some of them.  The photo request statement doesn't make sense in some cases, as i did not strike out lines which did not apply (as I do not know what NRHP photos are available, for example). doncram (talk) 01:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: Photos and/or photo uploads are needed.
*The article includes one picture but more would illustrate the article better.
*HABS or HAER photos may be available for this site. Search  HABS/HAER here
*Some of the NRHP photos in PDF linked in article are labelled as NPS owned and/or are taken by NPS employee, hence probably public domain and can be used.  Separate JPG files for the photos may be accessed from the National Register search screen here
*NRHP photos linked in article are credited to non-NPS persons or entities and appear NOT to be public domain.
*NRHP photos seem not to be available on-line for this site.
*New photos would be helpful.
add to wikiprojects and make photo request
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Then edit out the lines that don't apply for the given article.
It would be possible to execute the 3 above sweeps separately, going through all the articles with each one.  Or one could pass just once through all the articles, implementing all 3 steps in each article.
There, that's all of my secrets, spilled!  Is this understandable?  Is this doable?  Please ask questions if you have any.  I suppose you could just ask me to do the sweeps through the NJ NHLs, but I would really prefer to work on some other projects instead.  Can someone try to do a couple of sites along these lines, at least?  Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos

message: It seems like some articles indexed are not NRHPs.  Cape May, New Jersey, is about the entire town, which may differ from the Cape May Historic District.  There are a couple colleges and a private school or two which may have a historic building, but the whole college is not a NHRP.  I noticed this while going through trying to add WP:NRHP to the talk pages of each article.  There is one private school that is B-class rated, within Wikiproject schools, but there is no NRHP mention in the article, so then it is all messed up with rating.  I put in Stub class for NRHP for that one, but there's a bot which goes around and will probably upgrade it to B-class, as that is the highest rating given by any project.  Some of the problem articles should be dealt with by splitting out a separate NRHP article, making sure that it is linked from the school or whatever article.  I am done for now though. doncram (talk) 01:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some articles indexed are not NRHPs 

message: I just deleted several of the photos that were merely portraits of a famous person, not photos of the NHL site associated with that person, in favor of notes that HABS pics are available and ready to upload for those sites.  I added specific HABS links to each of the corresponding articles.
Further, I want to delete the remaining portrait photos, as they are not pics of the sites.  I used to think otherwise, but now i don't like to have these around as "placeholders" because: 1) they are misleading to readers who would expect larger versions of them to appear in the corresponding articles (yet they are so unrelated to the sites that the article editors do not want them in the articles), and 2) they tend to deter photo-takers and photo-uploaders who might provide what is needed.  Note, specifically, that KudzuVine came by and seems to have been deterred by the portrait photos.  KudzuVine, who has done fine work finding and uploading HABS pics in many NHL list-articles, visited this list-article and added HABS pics for several of the blank photo sites in a flurry, but did not search for and find the HABS pics that were available for several having portrait photos instead.
If there are no objections, i will delete them.... Thanks! doncram (talk) 17:26, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos:  i want to delete the remaining portrait pics 

message: The date field is sorting alphabetically not chronologically. Can anyone fix? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The June 1, 1998 will sort properly with most browsers....  dm (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Correction - 1 June, 1998 should sort properly, I thought we had already reversed this... dm (talk) 22:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text:  Thats because we were editing on top of each other.  I was putting it in the same order as List of National Historic Landmarks in New York and the other NHL lists so that they are all the same.  I'd suggest that's the best way to go forward... dm (talk) 22:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the date format used in the List of NHLs in NY and other NHL lists (04 Jul 1961 etc.) is not correct.  I am responsible for the problem, i guess.  I thot it works, and it does work for me and those wikipedians who have their date preferences set as i do.  But, it needs to be converted pretty much as Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) is doing, so it is date-sortable by everyone.  However, i prefer to use the "dts" date-sortable template, to use less keystrokes in these list-tables.  See List of NHLs in MO which is done with the DTS2 template, each date in format , which generates what Richard is putting in more laboriously.  That way when we edit we don't need to have all the duplication in our faces, and it prevents discrepancies between the hidden and displayed dates, and it keeps the list-article file-size smaller. doncram (talk) 00:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Dates

message: The article on the Iowa-class battleship USS New Jersey, which is moored on the Delaware River in Camden, NJ, says that it is a National Historic Landmark, but it does not appear on this list.  Shouldn't it be on this list?  DThomsen (talk) 00:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, good question, glad you're out there looking.  It seems to me that the USS New Jersey (BB-62) is listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places, but it is not further designated a National Historic Landmark, which is different.  I just tried adding an NRHP infobox to the article, while i was there.  The ship does appear as it should in the list-article National Register of Historic Places listings in Camden County, New Jersey, although that list-article could really use some development, adding descriptions and pics and so on.  Another list-article perhaps of interest is List of NHL ships, reporting no NHL ships in NJ. doncram (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  USS New Jersey (BB62)