Talk:National Lawyers Guild

message: See also list of Talk:National Lawyers Guild/Archive 1#possible sources above in archives.
See WP:PRIMARY for the distinction between primary, secondary and tertiary sources:
# Victor Rabinowitz and Tim Ledwith (editors) A History of the National Lawyers Guild: 1937-1987. New York: National Lawyers Guild, 1987
#: This source, currently used in the lead paragraph, is a primary source (i.e. it is published by the subject of this article, NLG, and authored by insiders of that organisation). Primary sources can be used in the article, but with moderation. Defining an organisation by its own terms (what the lead paragraph currently looks like) does however give the impression that Wikipedia is being used here as a channel for the publicity of that organisation.
# Martha F. Davis. "National Lawyers Guild", pp. 487–488 in Poverty in The United States: An Encyclopedia of History, Politics, and Policy edited by Alice O'Connor. ABC-CLIO, 2004. 
#:Type of source: tertiary. Gives a short overview of the history of the organisation. Its slant ("Poverty in The United States") does however indicate that it only covers part of what we need for a neutral Wikipedia article.
#Ann Fagan Ginger and Eugene M. Tobin (editors); Ramsey Clark (foreword). The National Lawyers Guild: From Roosevelt Through Reagan. Philadelphia: Temple University Press, 1988. 
#:Type of source: secondary. I suppose one can assume that Ann Fagan Ginger is sympathetic towards the NLG causes, but it appears entirely possible to write an anti-NLG discourse almost exclusively based on this source (example). So probably the book itself takes no stance. Can we have more content in the Wikipedia article based on this book? Currently it is only used for a direct quote from the 1950 HUAC report (so used as a reference for primary-source material while this book could probably be used advantageously as a secondary source for general content in the article). Like source #1 it has however the disadvantage to not cover the history of the organisation beyond the late 1980s.
#:Question: what is the author's last name: Ginger ("Ginger, Ann Fagan") or Fagan Ginger ("Fagan Ginger, Ann")?
# John S. Wood (chair of the House Un-American Activities Committee). Report on the National Lawyers Guild: Legal Bulwark of the Communist Party (Report No. 3123 of the 81st Congress, 2nd Session, of the House of Representatives). Washington, DC: Committee on Un-American Activities of the U. S. House of Representatives, 1950.
#:Primary source documenting the McCarthy era.
#:Question: is it OK to list this source under "Wood" (the HUAC's chair who submitted this report to the House of Representatives) in the "Sources" section?
#William Glaberson. "F.B.I. Admits Bid to Disrupt Lawyers Guild" in The New York Times, October 13, 1989
#:Secondary source (picked from the #possible sources list above), allowing to bridge a little bit of the information gap for the half century between the McCarthy era an the 2010s, which is still insufficiently covered in the article thus far.
#Jesse Rigsby. "NLG: The Legal Fifth Column" in FrontPageMag, April 25, 2003
#:Despite a solid overview of historical facts, and its references (all to source #3 as mentioned above), this source is outspoken partisan (calling the history of the NLG "sordid" etc). The least that can be said is that its op-ed quality makes it a primary source, or, on the other hand, I'm not too sure we should be using this source: doesn't seem like Jesse Rigsby's opinions, published in the on-line journal of a polarising organisation, carry enough weight for inclusion in Wikipedia. The bare facts on NLG, which here are enveloped in an opinionated discourse, can surely be found elsewhere, i.e. in sources that concentrate on historical facts rather than on their own opinions.
#Martin Dies (chairman of Special Committee on Un-American Activities). "145. National Lawyers Guild", pp. 1267–1279 in Appendix — Part IX: Communist Front Organizations, with Special Reference to the National Citizens Political Action Committee (Fourth Section and Fifth Section: Pages 1049–1648) of Investigation of Un-American Propaganda Activities in the United States: Special Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Seventy-eighth Congress, Second Session, on . Washington, DC: United States Government Printing Office, 1944
#:Same type of source as #4. Currently used 6 times: some of these references could possibly be supplemented and/or replaced by references to secondary sources?
#:Also, similar question: OK to list this under Dies (chairman of the Special Committee that is known as Dies Committee)?
--Francis Schonken (talk) 06:10, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Would anyone like to join me in creating a new outline for NLG and then filling in details?  
It seems this entry has enough interest – and has also suffered from many rather needless fights over content...
Do people have examples of other entries on similarly mixed-reputation organizations to recommend?
I'm interested in filling out the history and membership of NLG prior to 1950 as factually as possible.  
Clearly, if only thanks to HUAC reports on the NLG and related groups up to 1959, there is plenty of "negative" information to collate and state clearly (and clearly attributed).  There is also an online history of NLG, published by the NLG, which I have started to mine (see new paragraph on December 1936).  There is Ann Fagan Ginger's biography of Carol Weiss King.  There must be many biographies about the many, diverse members of NLG over the years upon which to build both this entry and those related biographical entries.  If we get membership at points clear, we can find people interested in those members...
Today is August 6, 2017:  please reply by August 31, 2017.  Let's get a little intelligent, coordinated crowd-sourcing going! --Aboudaqn (talk) 16:58, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Open invitation to re-outline and re-complete NLG entry?

message: Information related to the 2020 protests regarding the murder of George Floyd, police brutality in general, Donald Trump and very specifically Portland Oregon involving NLG should be added to this article.Juneau Mike (talk) 21:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have examples of sources that discuss this? --JBL (talk) 22:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 protests