Talk:Leptospirosis

message: http://www.leptospirosis.org/medical/infection.php
"There is no human vaccine licenced for use in Europe, Asia or the USA."
I found this page quite hard to digest as the text comes as a large unbroken chunk.  I would suggest adding a table of contents and splitting the page into various chapters (features, diagnosis, treatment) as for example, the meningitis page. --Anon September 07, 2005
I second that. A lot of information is mentioned several times, and it's quite messy. As far as I can make out, is also all correct (I work for the WHO/Royal Dutch Institute Lepto-dept). I'm willing to 'correct' any changes made, if somebody else starts the editing... --Bluuurgh 16:02 Thursday, October 13 2005 (UTC)
:I cleaned up the page somewhat, maybe someone can go through and clean up my clean up? --CDN99 15:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Although there's good information in this article, it would be much more cohesive if the information about leptospirosis in animals were to be removed and placed in a separate article, perhaps entitled Leptospirosis (animals).  It's not entirely clear whether some of the paragraphs in the current version of the article refers to leptospirosis in humans or animals or both.  NighthawkJ (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leptospirosis in animals needs to be a separate article 

message: "Approximately 5-50% of severe leptospirosis cases are fatal; however, such cases only constitute about 10% of all registered incidents."
"Approximately 5 to 50%"?! This is an entire order of magnitude! Do half these people die, or just 1 in 20? If there's any data at all, it should be able to approximate a little better than this. But there's no citation. And, I suspect, no data. As is, it reads like hand-waving plucked-out-of-the-air space filler.
"... however, such cases only constitute about 10% of all registered incidents."
Well, the approximation's more meaningful, but now we have a subsequent clause trying to tame the prior one, and forcing the reader to do all kinds of mental gymnastics to derive meaning.
I would re-write this in a kinder way, but with no data to support it... well, revert me if I'm wrong, but I think it's better gone.
Thanks
The Zig (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A sentence telling us approxiamtely nothing? 

message: I placed a {technical} tag at the beginning of this article.  Even with a significant medical background, I had problems reading it.  For the layperson, it probably seems like total gibberish.  For example, it starts out discussing "serovars" when they could just as easily have been called "variations".  Later on, "aetiotropic" is a nice $3 word that essentially means "antibiotic".  There is a big difference between merely wikifying terminology and actually improving comprehension. Thus, the overall tone comes across as just a lot of WP:jargon: "Articles in Wikipedia should be understandable to the widest possible audience. For most articles, this means understandable to a general audience [emphasis in original]."  23:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content is overly technical for a general audience 

message: Can the reference to seasonal occurrence be updated, as the article specifically mentions "August–September/February–March". Are these Northern or Southern Hemisphere references.
Feebee06 (talk) 10:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season reference needs to be clarified 

message: This article is mostly based on human cases of leptospirosis, so there is no data on symptoms in animals; yet animals get this disease more often than humans IIRC... Arny (talk) 13:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veterinary data missing 

message: Since my change of relocating the life cycle figure to the History section was reverted, I thought that I should explain why I tried to place it there.  The image was originally placed under History  by the author of the paper postulating that leptospirosis was the infectious disease that wiped out most of the Native Americans residing in present-day Massachusetts in the early 1600s.  Most of the risk factors listed in the image are specific to the Native American lifestyle of the era. According to the caption of the image, "The Native American lifestyle exposed them to the leptospiral life cycle."  This hypothesis is described in the History section. For an unknown reason, the image was later moved to the Prevention section .  To me, this location doesn't make sense for a figure listing risk factors specific to Native Americans of the 1600s.  I believe that the image should be moved back to the History section, where the image was located originally.  CatPath (talk) 16:14, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: These are still current causes/risk factors. Thus moved to the section on cause. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Placement of image 

message: The prose is a bit rough and in the lede, there is mention of a 50% mortality rate in severe infections, but nothing to place context of numbers of severe infections vs mild to moderate infections. That is partially in the signs and symptoms section. Should we move the statistics of severity to the lede or move the mortality rate of severe infections down to the signs and symptoms section where it mentions 90% are mild and perhaps add moderate case data as well (with citations, of course)? The article in general has loads of good information, but it is somewhat hodgepodged together, I'll try to smooth that out later.Wzrd1 (talk) 02:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede and statistics 

message: According to CNN, the break down of fresh water supply in the US colony Puerto Rico by the latest hurricane and the post-Hurricane lack of repair are causing an outbreak of Leptospitosis on the island. This should be covered in this artcle. --L.Willms (talk) 08:09, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The outbreak is already covered in the Hurricane Maria article. It doesn't belong here. CatPath (talk) 09:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puerto Rico 2017 

message: While the flurry of recent changes to the article is welcome, I question some of the content in the Pathogenesis section. The section starts off with a lengthy paragraph detailing results from a number of old experiments demonstrating the activities of various Leptospira proteins in vitro. There is little discussion of how these activities lead to tissue damage. Ditto for the second paragraph: how does the antibody response to LPS/leptospira proteins relate to disease?  In my opinion, most of the first two paragraphs should be removed. If the consensus is to retain the two paragraphs, they should at least be updated to reflect more recent research findings.  CatPath (talk) 13:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your opinion. The "pathogenesis" section is trimmed down.Cerevisae (talk) 22:43, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pathogenesis 

message: User:Cerevisae not sure about this as a lead image. My concern is the cross eyes which I imagine is unrelated which sort of confuses things. Have clarified the caption a bit. I guess the question is do we just use one eye? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:05, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think using one eye is better. Cerevisae (talk) 07:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good User:Cerevisae. Centered it. Feel free to use it in the lead if you wish. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:40, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead image

message: Not sure why the references are being removed User:Chhandama? You can comment them out but no justification for removal.
We already say this " It is a zoonotic disease transmitted by mammals." in slightly different works a bit lower.
This does not make sense "As a biphasic disease, with the first phase (acute or septic phase) ends after 3 to 7 days of illness." The fact that it is biphasic has no effect on the length of the first phase.
Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that. I was interrupted while reading and editing that I overlooked that part. I was thinking of simplifying to make a smooth sentence like "As a biphasic disease, it consists of two sequential episodes of fever, with the the first phase (acute or septic phase) ending..." I hope I at least did some other helpful edits . Chhandama (talk) 02:48, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Chhandama a bunch of the changes look good. Just adjusted a few others. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:25, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: The table showing the modified version of Faine's criteria was copied almost verbatim from Table 2 in the cited source. Should we be concerned about copyright even though it's a table? CatPath meow to me 06:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the table for now until this question can be resolved. Better to be safe than sorry. CatPath meow at me 18:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table, modified Faine's criteria 

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