Talk:El Señor Presidente

message: Can someone please check the source and make sure there was no space between the time and the pm?
:Yes, at 10:25pm on the 25th of December in 1917, an earthquake destroyed my city.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is supposed to be a space, so I will go ahead and fix that now. Thanks for catching that!--Mfreud (talk) 17:29, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check source 

message: Could an editor with access to the Barrueto's "A Latin American Indian Re-Reads the Canon" source check the article's quote "this narrative's goal is to prove that Latin American societies, though they are aware of the blueprint of Modenirty,..." for the spelling of Modenirty, since it appears it might be a misspelling of Modernity? If the quote is correct and Modernity is what is meant, perhaps a (sic) should be added. Otherwise, never mind. Thanks. -- Michael Devore (talk) 19:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, that'll have been me with the thumbs for fingers.  Fixed.  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 19:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modenirty/Modernity 

message: One of the Walker citations is still to the excerpted version: 'The Zany, who "looked like a corpse when he was asleep" and had eyes that "saw nothing, felt nothing" is critical to establishing the tone of the novel and triggering the novel's action.[23]' Can we fix this?  Many thanks.  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 19:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Walker reference

message: Could someone correct "around these Latin American lands or the pages the tell their history"? Great work of course, that's why people like me look for the tiniest things to fix. :) –Outriggr § 01:37, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooops, that was me.  Not the most elegant of translations, I'm afraid.  Other Spanish-speakers (ping SandyGeorgia?) might have better ideas than I.  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 01:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  quote/trans. 

message: I have spent most of my evening trying to find the source for two images of Manuel Estrada Cabrera. The first is the photograph which I believe was once used in this article. The second is a painting of him in later years.
It seems to me that the photograph was deleted prematurely. It is extremely likely that this is in the public domain. Cabrera is not old in this photograph, so it was almost certainly taken before 1909. It is also highly likely that it was published (otherwise, it would not be widely available now). This means it is in the public domain in the US (1909 and 1923 are the crucial dates in US copyright law), which is what matters for the Florida-based servers of Wikipedia.
The painting may or may not be public domain, but this should be easy to determine, once one knows who the painter was. Copyright in the US expires 70 years after the death of the author, so who was the painter, and when did he/she die? Geometry guy 22:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The appearance of Cabrera in the photo is very similar to this one held by the Library of Congress dated 1909. (which itself is probably in the public domain - the book it comes from was published in Boston in 1909). Yomanganitalk 23:12, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fantastic that the date is 1909, which is the key date for works published outside the US (for publications within the US, 1923 is the key date). Geometry guy 23:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't think we'll be using that image, but it is evidence that the photograph I linked (where Cabrera looks younger) is pre-1909. Geometry guy 23:35, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you did want to use that image, the book was published in Boston, so I think what we would need to know is if the image was published outside the US beforehand (since the 1923 date would apply to the book) Yomanganitalk 23:38, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a higher resolution version of the image available? Geometry guy 23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody could request one from the Library of Congress or there is this. Yomanganitalk 23:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, but we might also be able to argue that the photographer must have died before 1948. Geometry guy 23:47, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I found another picture here:  Acer (talk) 00:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image of [[Manuel Estrada Cabrera]] 

message: I've read that the 1963 first British edition was called "The President" and the 1964 first American edition was called "El Señor Presidente", but I'm not sure about the later editions.  It would be good to have this information filled in.  Thanks.--Pharos (talk) 02:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, this is a good question, but I'm not entirely sure of the answer.  Nor am I entirely sure how many translated editions there have been.  The current US edition is entitled The President, for what it's worth.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 06:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Hmm, dunno.  All I know is that the copy of the book that I have (bought sometime in the 1980s) is Macmillan / Atheneum.  Help me through the link you're providing there...  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 12:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Item F433.--Pharos (talk) 12:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gotcha.  Well spotted.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the history of Atheneum is pretty complicated.  It's currently an imprint of Simon & Schuster for children's titles (see Simon & Schuster#Footnotes.)--Pharos (talk) 13:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

text: And meanwhile, the Worldcat links were taking me to error pages.  (Not that I think they're really necessary, either.)  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 12:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They just had photos of the covers, which is how I was sure of the titles they were published under.  I guess I linked to them wrong.--Pharos (talk) 12:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just had a butcher's over there.  I'm still not sure that the citations are needed.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 12:50, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Titles of English-language editions 

message: Why were these language templates added throughout the article?  I can't find the edit/editor that did them.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:51, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They were added here. accessibility issues, though I have no idea what they are Acer (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  hmmm.  Thanks, Acer.  Well, unless someone can explain by what guideline we need this clutter, we should revert.  I'd like to know the reasoning, since as far as I can tell, they're not adding anything for our readers but they are cluttering the text in edit mode, and I'd like to know if there's any valid reason I should enforce the use of this template at FAC.  Unless someone presents that, I suggest reverting.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I left a note the user's talk page pointing here, so they can clarify the issue. Acer (talk) 13:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks, Acer.  As far as I can tell, they're not adding anything except italics, and we can do that with italics; templates slow down the load time and muck up the text in edit mode.  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some time ago, I asked somebody why they were adding the  template to an article, and was told they aid editors who use screen readers. Template:Lang#Rationale says the same, as well as a few other reasons. - auburnpilot talk 15:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Hi, there! I am the editor who added those language templates. The purpose of the  template is not to add italics, but to add a "hidden" HTML lang attribute to specify that those sentences/words are not in English. This is mainly semantic information (sometimes the browser needs that info to choose the adequate font, but not in this case), required by some applications e.g. screen readers as correctly said by auburn. Please, revert again those changes, this is important for accessibility reasons. Cheers —surueña 15:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  As far as I know, they haven't been reverted.   Do you have a Wiki guideline that requires us to use them?  Are you aware that Wiki software has a template limit, and adding these to a highly referenced article could cause the limit to be exceeded?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:31, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: But mostly the words you've added to this template are not in Spanish, either: they're proper names.  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:32, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think they're in the references, too, which is real clutter.  I'm not sure if it's too late for the "undo" button on that edit?  SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language templates 

message: Thanks to everyone who has helped to protect this page from vandalism! We really appreciate it. Happy Cinco de Mayo! :) --Mfreud (talk) 04:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Mfreud!  How did you enjoy your day on the main page, eh?!  --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 05:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Incredible that this all happened in a few months! :D EyeSerenetalk 09:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thanks 

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