Talk:Timeline of Hurricane Katrina/Archive 1

message: Are these items really pertinent to a timeline of Hurricane Katrina?
* 29 August - Morning – President Bush shares birthday photo-op with Senator John McCain 
* 29 August - 11AM — "Bush visits Arizona resort to promote Medicare drug benefit": “This new bill I signed says, if you’re a senior and you like the way things are today, you’re in good shape, don’t change. But, by the way, there’s a lot of different options for you. And we’re here to talk about what that means to our seniors.” 
--timc | Talk 00:33, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If Bush spent that morning kicking FEMA's ass, instead of saying cheese, probably hundreds more people would have been saved. Is the priority of POTUS relevant to the success of the relief effort of Katrina? Yes, I would think so. --Gebuhuka 00:49, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would he need to be "kicking FEMA's ass" prior to Katrina hitting? Considering the track record of FEMA in the recent past(see Hurricanes Charlie, Frances, Ivan, Jeanne, and Dennis), he had no reason to believe that they would have problems.  Although the difference between Katrina and those previous five storms is where they hit.  The other five all hit in Florida.  Maybe we should be scrutinizing the local and state governments of Louisiana here rather than President Bush.  --Holderca1 02:02, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

text: While I strongly agree with the spirit behind that statement, I note that Bush's response and/or lack thereof is notable on its own, and a timeline devoted to him, can also depict the latter, whereas here, we are interested in the former (i.e. as directly relating to Hurricane Katrina). That said, if he issued statements relating to the Hurricane at that time (and I would be truly amazed to learn he said nothing at all on that front throughout September 29), then these items can and should be re-entered and modified with those qualifications in mind. El_C 01:01, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That was my motivation for starting George W. Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina to document the actions/inaction by the commander-in-chief during this national tragedy. As a timeline of happened events, it could maintain neutrality by staying factual, and could complement articles like Political effects of Hurricane Katrina which is filled with POVs and speculations. Given the facts, readers can formed their own judgement on Bush's responses.   Unfortunately George W. Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina is up for vfd and it's my fault because I don't have the time to expand it. --Gebuhuka 01:28, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting me know about it; it makes sense that someone has already initiated such an effort. I voted keep. El_C 01:37, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bush photo-op

message: I think this is a great page. However, as I was reading it, it was jarring to come upon the Astrodome being full without any explanation of why. There is no entry in the timeline for when bus evacuations started after the flooding. Sorry, I don't know the date for that, but it's important that it be there.
=== Evacuate where and when ===
* There was a lag time in getting relief to the people at the various designated shelters ... Superdome, Convention Center, and also where people got to the highway.  The time line should indicate when people started arriving at these places, when relief started arriving there, when buses helicopters etc. started moving people out of them, when they were finally cleared out, and how many people.
* There was a lag time in finding some place to evacuate people to.  The Houston Astrodome was the first shelter made available.  There are now hundreds all over the nation.  As they went into use, the news media not told about all of them, because some people with private transportation were going there directly, and they filling up, before the busses got there.
** Perhaps a chart some place with population figures associated with the disaster area before landfall, and where those evacuees ended up, by state.
AlMac|(talk) 20:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something missing 

message: * There was a lag time in getting relief to the people at the various designated shelters ... Superdome, Convention Center, and also where people got to the highway.  The time line should indicate when people started arriving at these places, when relief started arriving there, when buses helicopters etc. started moving people out of them, when they were finally cleared out, and how many people.
* There was a lag time in finding some place to evacuate people to.  The Houston Astrodome was the first shelter made available.  There are now hundreds all over the nation.  As they went into use, the news media not told about all of them, because some people with private transportation were going there directly, and they filling up, before the busses got there.
** Perhaps a chart some place with population figures associated with the disaster area before landfall, and where those evacuees ended up, by state.
AlMac|(talk) 20:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evacuate where and when 

message: Shouldn't this article make at least passing mention of the near-infamous photo of George Bush playing Mark Wills' guitar the day after Katrina struck the Gulf Coast? I've no idea whether or not said photo actually had any significant effect on public opinion, but it's undeniably one of the more memorable images associated with the whole fiasco, particularly on the internet. And documenting ubiquitous PoV, in as NPoV a fashion as possible, is one of the cardinal functions of any encyclopedia.
Or is this aspect of public opinion tangential to this article? With George W. Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina deleted, I'm not entirely sure where this sort of factoid should go.
Also posted to Political_effects_of_Hurricane_Katrina. There seems to be some overlap between the two articles, and I suspect this question presently falls under their joint purview.
The photo is a fake ... see
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/recreate.asp ... briefly, there are people who deliberately create photos of government officials doing things they never did, then circulate those photos on the Internet to undermine their credibility. AlMac|(talk) 20:49, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mark Wills' guitar 

message: "Saturday, August 27: New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin calls for a voluntary evacuation of the city. Although current Louisiana Emergency Evacuation guidelines allow use of public transportation, no idle school buses are used to transport. The emergency plans rely on citizens to bring their own 3 day supply of food and water to the Superdome and Convention Center." and "Sunday, August 28: 10AM CDT - Mandatory evacuation is ordered for New Orleans City by Mayor Nagin. No public transportation is afforded the mostly poor citizens."
would appear to be contradicted by this dated the 28th, notably:
"As many as 100,000 inner-city residents didn't have the means to leave, and an untold number of tourists were stranded by the closing of the airport. The city arranged buses to take people to 10 last-resort shelters, including the Superdome.
Nagin also dispatched police and firefighters to rouse people out with sirens and bullhorns, and even gave them the authority to commandeer vehicles to aid in the evacuation. 
The 70,000-seat Superdome, the home of football's Saints, opened at daybreak Sunday, giving first priority to frail, elderly people on walkers, some with oxygen tanks. They were told to bring enough food, water and medicine to last up to five days." Auz 11:03, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buses/Superdome/Food/Dates