Talk:Lincoln (proposed Northwestern state)

message: The article said that there was also a state of Lincoln to be carved out of the territory of Texas in 1869, west and south of the Colorado River.  The problem with this that I'm having is twofold:  (1) I can find no support for this anywhere and (2) as far as I can determine, in 1869, all of Texas was either west or south of the Colorado River (which sliced off part of the narrow strip that is now in northern Colorado and southern Wyoming).  I'm not sure whether or not this should be sent to WP:BJAODN or not.  Tomer TALK  02:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's disputed and unreferenced, no need to subject it to BJAODN. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Except that I just found a reference: . - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ah. Not that Colorado River, but this Colorado River. WP is just chock full of information, wouldn't you say? Restoring the text, having been saved from overzealous deletion. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ 19:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lincoln in Texas

message: One, a National Geographic map I have (I think it's the regional map of the Pacific Northwest from the series of U.S. regional maps they put out 10-15 years ago) suggests that the boundaries of the proposed state of Lincoln in the Inland Empire included a healthy chunk of eastern Oregon, but that doesn't appear here.  Anyone know if NG got it wrong, or if we did?  Two, to the anon who asked about Cascadia, I believe that name has been proposed for a possible state formed out of western Washington and western Oregon (leaving the eastern halves of both states to unite, presumably into Lincoln or something similar).  User:Jwrosenzweig (editing anonymously) 71.112.36.202 06:08, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Two things

message: The Article states that no state had been named for a particular person, then it lists several states named for a particular person. WTF? 66.41.104.197 (talk) 13:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed this claim from the article. Senator Pomeroy argued against "Lincoln Territory" by claiming that states/territories weren't named for distinguished men -- except Washington. He might've been mistaken or he might've meant in the context of naming in the west. Sen. Morton meant the latter when he argued against "Lincoln Territory" in the same debate. (See Congressional Globe, 40th Cong., 2nd Sess., p. 2794.) —Mrwojo (talk) 01:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Or perhaps he meant: although nine of the founding colonies inherited personal names, since independence it has not been our habit to put personal names on entities bigger than a county. —Tamfang (talk) 01:55, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: "Named for any particular person"

message: "Lincoln" was also a proposed name for North Dakota. See An Old-Fashioned Senator: Orville H. Platt of Connecticut, p. 140. —Mrwojo (talk) 23:08, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed name for North Dakota as well 

message: The map of Oregon, Washington, etc. near the beginning of this article is missing Whatcom County, Washington; that area is simply omitted from the map.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 12:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whatcom County 

message: We should not be using  for an imaginary "state". It creates an illusion of reality that is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. The formatting, text, and organization used for infoboxes of real things should not be used to represent things that don't exist. Infoboxes are for summaries of uncontroversial facts. But this box is filled with "facts": imaginary statistics that would, in one person's imagination, apply to this imaginary thing. The presentation needs to make that clear.<P>Similarly, the use of one flag and seal creates an illusion of officialdom, and ignores the facdt that "Lincoln" refers to several proposed states. Why does the seal of only one of these proposals dominate the article? And where is the citation to support even this one flag? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too much in-universe 

message: What is the provenance of the flag at the top of the article? Nothing in the text mentions it, let alone cite where it comes from. It gives the impression of being the official flag of an organized statehood movement; if in fact it's nothing more than one person's idea, then it should not be in the article at all. If it has some kind of organized backing but is not universally used by advocates of statehood, then it should be further down in a section rather than at the top. Fishal (talk) 14:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: There are 2 pages about the state of Lincoln. This article is about the proposed northwestern state beside bordered by Idaho, Montana, Oregon and Washington. However, there's another article about the proposed southern state. So I request this page to be merged with the other one. 4lepheus B4ron (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't make any sense. Although they share a name they are two separate proposals. Flameoguy (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

text: Oppose. They are two completely different things sharing nothing but a name. jhpratt (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge the 2 Articles About the Lincoln State 

message: There's some back-and-forth in the edit history about the use of the US State infobox here. I don't think it's a great idea to use it, because of its parameters that are specific to established states. Lincoln may never come into existence. I see that someone added "proposed state" to the top of the infobox, which helps with confusion, but there's still a lot of dubious information included within the box. For example, the population is listed as though it's a fact, but there are no hard-and-fast borders, so where is that number coming from?
I wonder if a better solution wouldn't be to create something that is specifically tailored for proposed states, with information that actually pertains to that topic, rather than trying to fit a square infobox into a round article? Joyous! Noise! 00:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. State infobox usage here