Talk:Tomás Garrido Canabal

message: Adding this page in the :Category:Religious persecution is superflous, it is already in the :Category:Anti-Catholicism which is in itself a subcat of religious persecution, so therefore it already is in religious persecution. Adding this page to both anti-Catholicism and religious persecution is like adding it to both :category:Mexican state governors and :category:Mexican politicians. Mixcoatl 02:21, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Clearly anticlericalist and fascist but was this guy also an Atheist or have people confused Antitheist with Atheist ?. The problem I have is that he is quoted as saying that he was a "personal enemy of God". How can an atheist say that given that god is an improbability so to be an enemy of 'x' you would have to presume 'x' existed in the first place (or at least had the mental delusion that 'x' existed). That makes no sense.
Do we have reliable sources that say that this person was an atheist i.e. has no belief in or does not believe that god or gods exists rather than antitheist which is against god or against the belief in god/gods and in the case of specific god or gods can be a view of either theists or atheists. These are so very much different philosophical positions but to some easily confused. Ttiotsw 16:27, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Antitheist or Atheist ? 

message: According to Alan Knight, "Popular Culture and the Revolutionary State in Mexico, 1910-1940." The Hispanic American Historical Review 74.3 (August 1994): 395, note 6, it's not Garrido Canabal who had this business card, but Arnulfo Perez H.  He cites Carlos Martinez Assad, El laboratorio de la revolucion (Mexico: Siglo XXI, 1979), pp. 85, 198.  As such, I've removed the claim about Garrido from this article.  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 23:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal enemy of God? 

message: The lead now suggests, following Ridgeway's article, that Garrido was governor between 1920 and 1935.  But this contradicts the following sentence later: "During the Mexican Revolution he was drawn into politics. Garrido Canabal was elected governor of Tabasco in 1921, served a three year term and was elected a second time in 1931, making use of the constitutional amendment that allowed re-election for non-successive terms."  So which is it?  Meanwhile, we're not much helped by Governor of Tabasco, which seems to suggest many simultaneous governorships or something.  --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 10:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He was governor from 1920 to 1924 and again from 1931 to 1934, the time inbetween he also was the strongman of Tabasqueño politics, but not the governor. His rule was briefly interrupted a few times, and he also served as interim-governor briefly several times, but that doesn't seem relevant enough to me to mention in the introduction. Mixcoatl 03:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  dates? 

message: Was he this ? or is just the existing Atheist politician the better category ? Usually thinkers and activists are fighting the system but as a politician and governor he was the system i.e. it would be others who would fight against him. Ttiotsw 07:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are politicians who just happen to be atheist, but Garrido was an activist in advancing atheism.  Activist doesn't mean one is fighting the system, though sometimes they do. It means they are active in advancing their cause. Mamalujo (talk) 21:40, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Category:Atheist_thinkers_and_activists relevant ? 

message: Case against him:
1. He almost never consults the talk page before making major edits...this is in contrast to me and others, who have made sections here about the Fascist-Socialist debate with no real response from Mamalugo, only his continual edit warring. 
2. Most of his beliefs are merely based around his own biases. He is a studying catholic and a classical liberal and thus wants to paint an anti-catholic as a fascist and paint fascism and socialism as the same ideology. The latter point is particularly dismissed by most scholars who clearly see Fascism as Right-Wing and Socialism (Marxisnm, Left Libertarianism, Anarchism, Libertarian Socialism etc.) as Left-Wing.
3. He claims that people merely indicate that Garrido considered himself a Bolshevik (Marxist). This makes no real sense, either he did or he didn't. We have very notable sources that prove that he considered himself a Marxist, not least the Oxford history of Mexico. Garrido named one of his sons Lenin, had his Camisas Rojas sing The International, the Left-Wing anthem, and, regardless of Mamlujo's political spinning, no Fascist would do this because (even if Mamalujo's claim that Fascism and Socialism are the same) both ideologies are antagonistic towards eachother, just as Marxist-Leninists and Trotskyists (two Communist groups) are. 
4. He keeps trying to add both Tomas Garrido Canabal and his Camisas Rojas under the category Fascism and keeps trying to add the Fascism infobox onto both pages. This is not at encyclopedic as he is not officially fascist and thus shouldn't be put under that category. Mamalujo has been asked to provided evidence that Garrido was inspired by Italian Fascism and he has offered no such evidence. On the other hand, people have give a lot of sources concerning Garrido's socialist policies in Mexico and even his home life, in which we found that one of his sons was named Lenin, further indicating that he considered himself a Marxist. 
In short, he has no place editing this wiki and I hope that the moderators deal with his spam editing swiftly. The Mummy (talk) 11:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mamalujo's weasling and personal editorship.