Talk:Paxillus involutus

message: Eddietoran 07:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled 

message: - gotta run. book mark for later. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  bookmark 

message: For readability, please place any comments or questions pertaining to the hold below rather than within the body of the review. Thank you!
* Thanks for your diligent and patient work Calisber, I really appreciate it. This is definitely now GA. VanTucky 22:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: Wow, there's a lot of research about this mushroom. This article is definitely worth a mention. Sasata (talk) 07:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent research 

message: Here http://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/22673#page/171/mode/1up
is a book where it is cited as edible.
add it if you know how.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.80.84.109 (talk) 00:19, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add external link 

message: Okay, I did a preliminary web of Science search a few months ago and got taken aback by the huge number of esoteric/technical articles, but I think we can sift through them ok. Cut and paste time? Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a plan! Agree there's lots of literature, but most of it is low-relevance for here. I'll try and add a little every day and we'll get there eventually. Sasata (talk) 04:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't get fulltext of these but it is about the isolation of two compounds that are/might be dyes..? Maybe a tad esoteric..? Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:46, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Interesting but possibly a little specialised - it is showing it is beneficial to genetically modified trees. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:38, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Wow, they fed P. involutus extract to sea monkeys?! We must find a way to use this, it sounds..erm...just out there... Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Sasata (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:57, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just had a look at this one - bloody hell it is dry....not sure whether it is too specialised...nothing applicable to lay reader (?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Sasata (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: got first in now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *Review articles about this topic here, here, and here; all mention P. involutus. Sasata (talk) 22:24, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Ack, I'm getting an "access restricted" at those three pages. Will cut and paste dois..computer's a bit slow, but review #2 only mentions in the ref. Will check others later today. I think this is the last topic to cover and then we're good to go maybe. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:40, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

text: got other paper of that one and added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:30, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I think we're close enough for an FAC. I think the article does a good job of surveying the literature and presenting it in digest form; if anyone wants extra material added we can examine on a case-by-case basis. Let's read through the Toxicity section again and see if we can tweak it a bit to address JM's concern about it being technical. Sasata (talk) 16:08, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAC the goal? hell yeah... 

message: Anything need to be done before FAC? I am having trouble locating the original articles which discuss its presence in Chile, but have a biologist's web page in the interim. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll have another look soon; I'd like to trawl through Google Books, and my own library again to see if I've missed anything interesting. Could use a couple more pics, there's options at Mushroom Observer. Sasata (talk) 21:59, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the pine one I added last was an unexpected find - I was googling species name + Chile. I have never seen such a high proportion of really esoteric articles as I have done for this fungus. I gave up after looking through the first 250 articles on Web of Science as there were so many superspecialised ones...so finding some books which coalesce a few sources and review them might be highly prudent. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: rejigged lead Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

text: damn. got that from the library ages ago. Should be easy ref to replace...Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: * - I can see pages 136, 137 and 140 on google books preview. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

text: * Added, now needs image placement tweaking (or even better, a longer lead!) to avoid sandwiching. Sasata (talk) 06:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ready to roll then?

message: Dang, none of the images jump out and say "use me" - I sort of like :File:Čechratka podvinutá 1.jpg proably the most followed by :File:Paxillus involutus EtgHollande 041031 063.jpg. This one :File:Paxillus involutus 112874.jpg doesn't 'grab me' and I am not sure why...looked through flickr a bit. Not sure where else...Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I just check all the MO offerings, but there's nothing really special... have a look here for one that's pretty good. If not that, then maybe replace with :File:Čechratka podvinutá 1.jpg (i.e., the way it was before I messed around with it.) Sasata (talk) 01:50, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm, I do like the :File:Čechratka podvinutá 1.jpg but something about it makes it look like it's growing on a piece of wood or something. I like the other one you found too. I'll put the Czech one back in for the time being, and I do think uploading that other one is good too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: taxobox image

message: *I'm REALLY not crazy with having a whole paragraph essentially describing the placement of the genus and family in a species article. In particular everything after René Maires assessment almost certainly can go without any loss to this article (though the paragraph should probably be copied over to Paxillus if it has not been already).
:*I tend to agree; Cas? Sasata (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Awwwww, ok. Yeah, happy to do that.Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *Good point, I will add these details ASAP. Sasata (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Added. Sasata (talk) 20:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I'll probably come around to copyedit it a little. Do you think it would be problematic to characterize them as the most similar species to it? Circéus (talk) 21:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *They are obviously the most similar as taxonomists considered them all the same - and some forms are still undescribed. I was musing on this when thinknig about the taxobox image of a rollrim on the lawn - I started thinking, "that's not the real one if I read it correctly", but then no-one has split them as yet.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *Unknown  - these are all populations - there are many bacterial fauna, most of which AFAICT undescribed. This area of study appears to still be in its infancy and many of the observations are just that with these studies lacking in making statements about causation. I have tried to stick to that here but was worried the section came over a bit patchy. One of the Review Articles states the field is a new and developing one and was tempted to put in a line stating that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *I've moved it to lower in the paragraph; doesn't belong in taxonomy section as it's not a formal description, just a brief mention in a popular field guide. I wouldn't be fussed if someone else decides it belongs in Description. Sasata (talk) 17:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Yeah, I'll pay that. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:21, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

text: *Removed the dash, and added a bit on what happens upon infection. It's a mould that's specific to some boletes (i.e. Boletales), but I've left out that detail (readers can go to its page for info). Sasata (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I've characterized it as attacking Boletales members in general (though the article on the mould could use some clarification whether or not Boletus members are the most common target). Circéus (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  a few small comments 

message: I've removed the following comment from the references section of the article to here:
:"Remark. Paxillus involutus evidently can cause a hypersensitivity reaction of the immune complex type. Yet as pharmacologist, I would not call this "autoimmune", since an antigen (foreign; exogenous) is necessary to evoke both antibody formation and the acute reaction. In autoimmune diseases, the body's own molecules behave as antigens. If you agree, you may decide the alter the text. LB"
Hamamelis (talk) 09:58, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your comment. The sources call the Paxillus hypersensitivity reaction an "autoimmune hemolytic anemia" (which our article on the subject considers synonymous with "immunohemolytic anemia" and "immune complex hemolytic anemia"). In this case, the mushroom toxins result in the formation of an autoantibody (though the specific pathophysiological mechanisms are not well known), and thus it meets the definition of "autoimmune hemolytic anemia". Our article on autoimmune disease says "Autoimmune diseases arise from an overactive immune response of the body against substances and tissues normally present in the body". I don't see any contradiction in our usage of the term, which is, at any rate, supported by the literature. Sasata (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: From user at ip 193.6.63.109

message: How about replacing one of the current images with this? It's a "Quality image" on Commons. Sasata (talk) 05:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, but which one? The one in Distribution and habitat? Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:16, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, I made the swap. Sasata (talk) 16:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image switch 

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message: The mushroom, called Svinushka, is a very popular dish in Russia, salted or pickled, since it goes well with vodka. Served even by restaurants. Only the originally unhealthy people develop poisoning, while the healthy people consume it their whole lives and nothing happens. Just boil the shroom a bit to diffuse the main toxin. It is even used as a test for health, and say the family of your bride my test you to be a healthy husband by making you to eat a lot of these to ensure the health of the offspring. So please don't discard this wonderful mushroom that easily!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.115.96.153 (talk) 07:58, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poisonous? Really?