Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Iceland/Style advice

message: I have zero involvement/knowledge/interest in this topic, but Hoary turned up on my talk so here I am... It looks to me like there is some revert warring going on. It looks to me like Huaiwei and Pmanderson are involved, at least, maybe more. Knock it off. If I have to come back here I'll dig into who did what and block accordingly. Don't make me stop this car and turn around come back here, consider this a word to the wise, you all are experienced editors that know better than to revert war over templates, guidelines and the like. Some other admin may well have just blocked so consider yourself lucky. ++Lar: t/c 05:22, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was actually just a passing observer to begin with, and to actually revert war on a matter like this certainly isnt exactly worth my effort or time, so I don't think I am going to pursue this much further. Thanks for the warning and advice anyway...--Huaiwei 07:05, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, Hoary is one of our most experienced and trusted editors. I take an interest where I see his work apparently being subjected to reversions without reasoned argument. I have this watchlisted. Tony (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sheesh, Tony, if this is true then the competition must be feebler than I'd imagined. Still, I do have nice legs. (Or so the missus tells me. But then perhaps she's just trying to avoid commenting on my face.) -- Hoary 01:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert warring 

message: I was wondering about film and soundtrack titles as well as other similar titles, some of them have been written with the first letter in each word uppercase like Allt Sem Ég Á (more). While others have been written only with the first letter in the first word uppercase like Ágætis byrjun. I feel the second version is better and would like the first one to be changed into Allt sem ég á as well as a small paragraph in the MOS (Iceland). --Steinninn 13:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Allt Sem Ég Á looks awful. Haukur 20:36, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All lowercase in titles 

message: I'm wondering if we can maybe tie this guideline in with discussion of other peoples who don't have a family name system. I understand that e.g. Javanese, Burmese, Tamil, Cambodian, Ethiopian, Somali and Eritrean people don't usually use family names and that some of them have a patronymic system similar to the Icelandic one. I can't seem to find any Wikipedia guideline on any of these but I see that e.g. our articles on Eritreans sort and refer to them by first names. Is anyone here knowledgeable about this? Haukur 23:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other peoples without family names 

message: We now read:
The Manual of Style says:
:The choice between anglicized and native spellings should follow English usage (e.g., Besanc,on, Edvard Benes( and Go"ttingen, but Nuremburg, role, and Florence). Article titles follow our naming conventions.
Our naming conventions provide:
:Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form. The choice between anglicized and native spellings should follow English usage.
When there is an English name for an Icelandic subject which sees more usage in English texts than the native Icelandic name, it should be used on Wikipedia [...].
This seems unnecessarily laborious to me. The bits that are quoted aren't particularly well written, and their quotation seems to oblige the authors of this page to make sure that they haven't become outdated. I therefore recommend simplifying to:
In accordance with the Manual of Style and naming conventions, when there is an English name for an Icelandic subject which sees more use in English texts than the native Icelandic name, it should be used for Wikipedia [...].
Would this be OK? -- Hoary (talk) 16:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody objected, so I went ahead. -- Hoary (talk) 14:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is unduly complicated, and invites confusion. It is simpler to say that the English word for rimur happens to be rimur (as the Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics will confirm) but the English name of  Vestfirðir is the Westfjords. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested simplification

message: The title says "Manual of Style", and it has the style bar on the right side, but this page is not in any category.  I see there was some unpleasantness a few months ago.  Does anyone have any objection to adding the "Wikipedia style guideline" cat to this page? - Dan Dank55 (talk)(mistakes) 02:13, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there any objection to adding the "Wikipedia style guideline" category to the page? 

message: There is currently an ongoing discussion about the future of this and others MoS naming style. Please consider the issues raised in the discussion and vote if you wish GnevinAWB (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: MoS naming style

message: There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)#RfC: Use of characters from the Icelandic alphabet that may be of interest to followers of this page. While that RfC is open, further discussion should occur there. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC at Naming conventions (use English) 

message: I know this has been suggested a few times ages ago and a consensus had never been reached, but I would still like to propose that we stop using Ð and Þ in articles. 
I'm not particularly worried about the other accented characters, but it seems detrimental to use these specific letters. The Ð and Þ are not intelligible to a general reader, and the reader will not know how to search for these articles. The Wikipedia naming conventions suggest transliterating that which is not obvious in order to communicate an idea accurately and unambiguously. The accented letters can be obvious, but Ð and Þ are most definitely not.
We do not expect a reader to be able to correctly parse Росси́я as Russia/Rossiya. I feel it would be beneficial for the presentation of Iceland and Icelanders on this English-language Wiki if our naming conventions had the goal of making articles more accessible. 
I do of course understand wanting to aim for "correctness", but I feel that accessibility and intelligibility are more important.
– Þjarkur (talk) 00:21, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we really expect a reader to know how to parse Ð and Þ?