Talk:Roma (Romani subgroup)

message: "In Hungary, 44% of Roma children are in special schools, while 74% of men and 83% of women are unemployed."
Do we have so much special schools ? References ?
And I think we should merge this with Roma society and culture or move the appropiate parts of that article to here Frigo 11:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request

message: LOL!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.174.47.243 (talk) 02:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Please post a list of prominent Roma

message: *During the Yugoslav wars, Roma were often victim to discrimination and violent attacks from all sides, although relations were friendliest with the Serbs.  
*[Inclusion of] surgeon Aleksandar Chirkov 
*The history of the Roma in Russia is different from that of Roma in other European countries, where Felipe, 'The Gyp' is accounted king of the Gypsies, in so far as they were treated relatively well .
*With the rise of Russian nationalism and xenophobia in today's Russia,  Gypsies continue to suffer from discrimination in Russia, despite the profound influence Roma culture has had on Russian culture  through their music and dance.
Please do not return this information to the article without a citation.--BirgitteSB 16:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  contested statements removed 

message: Municipality Šuto Orizari is the only Roma municipality in the world and the only municipality where Roma is official language.
:What do you think of Budeşti?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.95.220 (talk) 07:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Only municipality with official Romany language" 

message: There is a discussion about, and even a proposed name change for, this article at Talk:Roma people.  --Born2cycle (talk) 22:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently this was the only article entitled Roma in some country, so there should be no consistency issue with this new name.  --Born2cycle (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: This name change was affected without proper consensus. The editor who did it is also actively involved in the discussions at Talk:Roma people, and should respect the fact that (as they themselves pointed out above) there is still an ongoing discussion there which should, for simplicity's sake be dealt with first, before creating a chain reaction of half discussed page moves. Please revert until such time as a consensus is reached at Talk:Roma people. Please also note that the present name was previously the subject of an AfD discussion, and was deleted then. This cannot therefore be considered a wholly uncontroversial renaming, and nor does it have a consensus behind it. —Zalktis (talk) 09:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone is free to revert my bold move, and even I would do it, given a substantive objection.  Pointing out that there was no proper consensus, even for an article which had been deleted in the past (which I knew nothing about, and was probably more about the content of that article than its name), is hardly a substantive objection to a bold move.  --Born2cycle (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion, proposed name change 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was moved to Roma (Romani subgroup) Aervanath (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I didn't mean to sound huffy.  I'm just saying that from my perspective, however limited it is by lack of knowledge and intelligence, FWIW, this is the only reasonable solution that I can see.  But I'm sure I might be missing something... --Born2cycle (talk) 20:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: *That makes sense to me.  Anyone else okay with, or opposed to, this idea?   --Born2cycle (talk) 01:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: *Olahus, per PBS' point below, are you okay with naming the new article, Roma (Romani subgroup) rather than Roma (Romani people subgroup)?  --Born2cycle (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. I support this proposal. --Olahus (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
why the hell wasn't this discussed on this talkpage? Anyone can move articles, you don't need WP:RM for that, but it would have been nice to try and create a consensus at the actual article talkpage. --dab (𒁳) 18:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I had already made this move boldly, but it has been reverted.  So here is the formal proposal.
* :Roma in Central and Eastern Europe → :Roma (Romani subgroup)
Rationale: See why the move to :Roma (people) should be opposed above.  This is the only reasonable alternative name I've seen.  It implies that the scope of the article be expanded to include Roma that originated in Europe but now live elsewhere.  --Born2cycle (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I didn't mean to sound huffy.  I'm just saying that from my perspective, however limited it is by lack of knowledge and intelligence, FWIW, this is the only reasonable solution that I can see.  But I'm sure I might be missing something... --Born2cycle (talk) 20:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: *That makes sense to me.  Anyone else okay with, or opposed to, this idea?   --Born2cycle (talk) 01:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: *Olahus, per PBS' point below, are you okay with naming the new article, Roma (Romani subgroup) rather than Roma (Romani people subgroup)?  --Born2cycle (talk) 01:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. I support this proposal. --Olahus (talk) 12:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
why the hell wasn't this discussed on this talkpage? Anyone can move articles, you don't need WP:RM for that, but it would have been nice to try and create a consensus at the actual article talkpage. --dab (𒁳) 18:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative proposal 

message: Isn`t Roma official with double R ? Rroma ? iadrian (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That depends on what you consider to be 'official'. The spelling in English is generally Roma, but there is some 'contestation'. RashersTierney (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name "Roma" 

message: Why is there no mention of the Holocaust in this article, particularly the decimation of all Roma people in Poland? This exclusion is somewhat offensive. 96.246.69.132 (talk) 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Roma in Poland section 

message: Lets please ramp up the information on the crime that these Roma specialise in, and crime rates in their nests. Begging would be a good start, I have encountered several hundred of these in my life, and on one occasion they weren't begging (well, pickpocketing while pretending to beg). They were instead attempting to just steal my money, minus the beg ruse. I say screw political correctness, these people are a problem all over Europe and nobody wants anything to do with them except bleeding heart hippies that haven't at all succeeded in making these the Roma behave. So let's be a little honest about them and cut all this "culture" bull. 66.87.4.76 (talk) 23:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime 

message: I miss one important information in the article - the Romani people have underwent relativelly recent movement from Slovakia to Czech Republic. This movement dates back to the post 1945 period and coincides with the expulsion of German speaking minority from so called Sudetenland after the World War II. The empty Sudetenland has been re-populated by people from Slovakia/eastern Europe (see also Expulsions and resettlement after World War II in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland). As a result, the population of Roma people increased rapidly. From estimated 10000 Roma people inhabiting Czech lands before WWII, i.e. less than 0.01% of Czech population, only ca 300 "ethnical" Czech Romani have survived the holocaust, the rest being annihilated (http://romove.radio.cz/en/article/18913), but the population now reaches 200000 or more (i.e., 2-3% population) due to recent immigration from Slovakia. These recent immigrants, living in CZ in their 2th-4th generation have big troubles with incorporating into the majority society (a situation that partly resembles Turks in Germany).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.176.141.38 (talk) 16:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czech lands and post 1945 Roma immigration from Slovakia  

message: Having this very brief article end with the specifics of the Holocaust seems like a bad place to end and while the Roma holocaust is significant I think that it can be shortened a bit and put in a different place in the article.  Perhaps I failed to notice but I didn't see any mention of religion or religious demographics among Roma and from what I understand many are Muslim.  When I have time to reread the article I will add it (with references) unless someone beats me to it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.126.132 (talk) 07:13, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: According to Hungarian media reports, some paragraphs in the book Post-Communist Europe and Its National/Ethnic Problems (library record) are copied verbatim from Wikipedia (this article and Roma in Hungary), or possibly parts of the Wikipedia article are copied from the book. (The book is getting some media attention right now in Hungary because it is written by a somewhat prominent politican and allegedly contains racist statements.) Could someone check the extent of the copying, and whether the history proves that the content was originally created in Wikipedia? The relevant section of the book can be downloaded here. 
Thanks, --Tgr (talk) 06:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This was a very modest article in 2009, the year the book was published. Does anything in this version overlap? I see no reference to Hungary except, In 2004, Lívia Járóka and Viktória Mohácsi of Hungary became the two current Roma Members of the European Parliament (MEP). Hardly grounds for accusations of plagiarism, if repeated. RashersTierney (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible plagiarism 

message: In none of the sources given, there is any differentiation between "Roma" and "Romani". I haven't found any source that would say Roma is a "subgroup" of Romani; all of the sources I have seen use it as a synonym.
The two sources given don't make Roma a separate subgroup of Romani. Based on what I read, Roma and Romani is equal. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong with some source and if possible, exact citation.
See also Talk:Romani people#Subgroups
--- Ɍưɳŋınɢ 18:00, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody seems to be reading these discussions. I will propose merging later. - Ɍưɳŋınɢ 03:05, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roma vs. Romani