Talk:List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters

message: Do you think it would be a good idea to also make this "The Legend of Korra's" character page? Its the same universe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.126.92.2 (talk) 12:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Make this a double article? 

message: ::Personally, I am against all the new characters that were added (especially those images), but will not remove them immediately if someone speaks up in defense of the new additions. --haha169 (talk) 22:20, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking at Ozai and would like to downgrade him to major recurring characters, the status that he previously held. I also feel that everyone in the minor recurring characters list should be removed except for Hakoda, (maybe Guru Pathik, if sources are created), Jet, Bumi, Long Feng, Pakku, Piandao?, and Gyatso. The rest of the entires are entirely fluff, imo, and have no citations whatsoever. Also, I would like to see the Organizations section removed, as they are not characters.--haha169 (talk) 22:38, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said this is because of a merge and I don't want the images gone and it's as simple as that. No matter how much you stuff guidelines down my face. This article doesn't have be a perfect article (such as a featured list article) and you shouldn't want information or images gone just becuase of that.  − Jhenderson 777 22:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Stuffing guidelines? I believe it was you who gave me those guidelines as a rationale for keeping those images! The argument: "because I want to" simply doesn't suffice. Any other tries? --haha169 (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, I don't want to argue. I said I don't think they violate it, I didn't make them a excuse that they are OK. There is no image depicting Ozai so he's fine. As for Momo he is on the lead, although the seperate Momo image is probably good for showing his first depiction. − Jhenderson 777 23:30, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Well I am mainly am voting on the images to be kept. As for the characters I stopped caring as much but I don't see with what's wrong with the inclusion. I am not disregarding the guideline, I still see them as essential and that they are not really breaking guideline rules. − Jhenderson 777 23:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, they aren't, but they aren't following guideline suggestions. Pretty much, if there is something better, use it. I haven't found anything better yet, and haven't the time right now. Maybe I'll do that later. For the characters, I see that they are wrong for inclusion because they fail notability guidelines. They have no citations, have no descriptions, yet they are still there. You might not care if this is a quality list, but I do. Of course, if someone could somehow establish the notability of, let's say Li and Lo, by writing well-written prose backed up with quality citations, then go ahead. But that's going to be a difficult task. FLs like Naruto's character list does not include every character in the universe, and I'm sure many are omitted. --haha169 (talk) 23:54, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Please no more debating this with me anymore. I am letting other people decide your consensus. Thank you! − Jhenderson 777 23:53, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The images shouldn't be included. The history of where they came for is not important (I'm not really interested in the fact that they're being preserved here because they were used in articles that shouldn't have existed either); the characters are not extremely important and there's nothing particularly special about their design that makes us need to display non-free images of them. Regardless of where these images were before, they don't meet WP:NFCC here. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Saying that a image doesn't meet non free content criteria is a point of view. But I am removing them anyways. − Jhenderson 777 00:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can easily see the point of the images and that is why I removed them. But be more specific why you want some characters decluded. And by the way moving Ozai to major recurring is fine by me. − Jhenderson 777 00:27, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

text: Ok. I am just going to let others decide who can stay. I just know they've been in screen more than that long and been in more than one episode for that matter, take that from one who watched the entire show. But I still can't deny that they are pretty minor. − Jhenderson 777 15:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Second consensus

message: Decision to merge or not merge the articles Ozai (Avatar: The Last Airbender) and Momo (Avatar: The Last Airbender) starts here. I choose Keep. Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologize for merging the articles before asking for discussion, but it is pretty obvious that these article have little, if any, useful content. Take the Ozai article: the Plot overview section is exactly that, a plot overview mentioning, with detail, everywhere and in what context his character is found. Such detail for a character who is barely seen the entire series is unnecessary. The personality and abilities section are WP:OR, and the video game appearances merely mention the fact that he was in the video game, which hopefully the reader already knows considering a) the video game is based on the series; and b) there is an article for the video game, in which it should be mentioned if it is not already that Ozai appears in it. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 19:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Actually, there is something wrong with plot summary. Wikipedia records content from a real world perspective, not just plot-only descriptions (WP:PLOT). So while a basic plot summary is necessary to establish context in articles about fictional topics, it should not be so extensive so that the entire article is plot summary, as is almost the case here. And I would not say the personality section is well sourced at all. The Ozai article has three sources, all of which are the television series itself, and all of the information referenced is analysis of the show rather than just description, which constitutes WP:OR (see WP:PRIMARY). In fact, I might even argue that some of the information in the personality section is straight out wrong. As for the video game mentions, you say the characters are pretty notable due to the movie, but popularity does not constitute notability. The characters must have "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (from WP:N), and as far as I can see, the only sources at all are either from the series itself (which is not independent of the subject) or citations sourcing who voiced the character (which is not significant coverage). If you would happen to know of any secondary or tertiary sources that show significant coverage of these character outside the context of the show itself, then I would consider keeping the articles. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 00:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue of how much in-universe material to include, and what makes a fictional character notable, is one of the big things that's been under debate for at least a year (probably longer) at the proposed guideline for elements of fictional works. The disagreement, as far as I can tell, is usually something on the lines of: does a character in a fictional work gain notability if he's notable within the work, or only if he's notable within the real world? Personally, I fall in the latter camp, so I would be in favor of merging these articles if no one can produce sources to demonstrate real-world notability. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't personally agree with the Wiki general policy, but I'm not the boss here, and in general, going with what seems to be the case across Wiki, 3rd party stuff generally is required to establish notability.  So primary referencing, that being to the work itself, or associated works, is insufficient to establish notability.  They are good supplements however, just not sufficient in themselves. Derekloffin (talk) 01:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

text: I am not disagreeing with you on this but almost all the other articles of Avatar characters aren't any better. See Azula and Iroh. Why just pick on Momo and Ozai. Because I created those articles? Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:10, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think all the poorly sourced ones should be merged away if we're to stick by general policy.  I believe Appa was another that was poorly sourced for an individual article.  Exceptions tend to cause confusion.Derekloffin (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I suppose I could agree with you on that. Aang seems to be the only good article. And I am not sure any of the other character articles meets WP:Notability but Aang. But that can be debatable. Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

text: We may or may not want to save the images. The images are screenshots of a television series, and are therefore copyrighted. The only way we are legally allowed to use these images in the first place is because copyrighted images used specifically for educational (or encyclopedic in our case) purposes fall under fair use in United States copyright law. However, policy states that we should use as few non-free images as possible to convey whatever context is trying to be established with those images. Furthermore, we can only use images that would significantly increase the user's understanding of the topic. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 23:38, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I know how it works. The images need a fair use rationale on a certain article. And that's the problem if the images are orphaned they have to be deleted. Might as well save a few of them and store them here. Jhenderson777 (talk) 00:44, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is that storing them here is not an option, because we are adding more non-free images to an article that probably has enough, not to mention most of the images do not significantly improve the reader's understanding as is required by policy. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 01:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

text: That article definitely needs to go the way of the dinosaurs! I support a merge with this one. If you notice from the discussion at the bottom of this page, an anon editor keeps on trying to post 30,000 bytes of material from there to here. I have reverted the attempt on the basis that: 1) Combined with what is already on here, that is too much info to be one page; 2) A lot of those characters are so minor that they are even worth a mention. If people want such a long list of every character, they need to add it to the avatar wiki, instead. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:36, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  You seem to be talking about the minor Avatar characters article, right? Not the individual character articles.Jhenderson777 (talk) 22:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. Although, I don't think Momo and Appa are major enough characters to have their own pages. My main concern, however, is the minor characters list. I'll let you guys figure out what major character pages need to stay or go. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 23:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am kind of thinking the Aang article is the only one really necessary to stay if any of the individual articles are to be redirected. But at the same time I don't really have a problem with them having their own articles either. Defining major characters is hard though. Wikipedia states that all the characters  that have their own profile on Nick.com are the major characters. But the end credits of the show always show Momo and Appa as one of the main characters. And I am not sure about Ozai, but he is the main villain which could make him considered to be a major character too. Even if not he's a driving force behind the entire show. Jhenderson777 (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Is there a reason to redirect meng to here? --Cflare (talk) 06:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Given there is no mention of Meng here, no, there is no good reason for the redirect.  I loosely recall a Meng being a character in Avatar, but obviously a minor one.  I'd say remove it from the disambiguation for now.  Derekloffin (talk) 07:47, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, she was a very minor character, appearing only in one episode (The Fortuneteller). I'm surprised someone even remembered her enough to think to make a link on the disambig page. I have since removed the link. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 18:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meng lists here in disambiguation but isn't listed on page. 

message: I purpose that the new article Order of the White Lotus should be merged in List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters#Organizations. Any thoughts? − Jhenderson 777 15:45, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprised it hasn't been merged in already. I fully support the move. — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 02:22, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  − Jhenderson 777 15:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Order of the White Lotus 

message: Why doesn't Ozai have an arcticle? He's the main antagonist.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.64.182.93 (talk) 04:16, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Try searching for it. There is one: Fire Lord Ozai (Avatar: The Last Airbender). But it is probably going to be deleted soon; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fire Lord Ozai (Avatar: The Last Airbender). rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I created a article about him originally but it's hard to find sources for him. And that is key to determining his notability. Jhenderson 777 16:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ozai

message: Sozin, I believe, is notable enough and influences the plot of Avatar enough to be mentioned.  I'm going to add him.  I recently created an article on him, hoping it'd get merged, but it didn't.  If anyone has any objections, don't delete it.  Discuss it here.
M.R. DA BOMB!  (Monster Rancher The Great).  Play Monster Rancher! 20:28, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sozin

message: Just had to undo the 'archiving' process because it tossed it all to the big bit bucket in the sky, aka /dev/null.  Could someone who actually knows how that bot works fix that please? Derekloffin (talk) 18:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL, looks like NuclearWarfare just fixed it. It seems the bot was configured to archive this talk page into the Talk:Avatar: The Last Airbender archives instead of here. XD — Parent5446 ☯ ([ msg] email) 21:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, still broke.  The link looks like it is correct, but it still tossed to to dev/null.  Also, it seems to be activating after 24 hours rather than 10 days like I appears to be set to do.  Derekloffin (talk) 19:58, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving broken 

message: - I found it interesting that Aang's friend/arguable father figure amongst the monks was named Gyatso, given the Buddhism-inspired teachings and appearance of the airbenders - the Dalai Lama is traditionally named Tenzin Gyatso. Atypicaloracle (talk) 06:41, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  A trivia note about a minor recurring character - 

message: Can we rename this to Characters of the The Avatar universe? --71.160.93.144 (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: As there does not appear to be a consensus to list the Legend of Korra characters here I don`t think this is the right time to do that.--174.93.167.177 (talk) 03:18, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: The Korra section has been marked "needs expansion" for some time, so I did it. But I suggest we need either to bring in more pageless Korra characters and rename the page (List of Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra characters), or split it. Thoughts? Solarbird (talk) 09:28, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, upon thinking about it more, I'm kind of more in the "new page" camp now, particularly since a lot of my additions got hacked down - which makes sense in this context, but not in a Korra-era context. So I'm kind of thinking if we don't get anybody else with strong opinions soon, I'll start a List of Legend of Korra characters page and we can go at that. Solarbird (talk) 07:02, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm really busy with exams, so I can't be much of a help, but you have my support if any opponents appear. A good start would be with Team Avatar (humans first, the female part of the team already have their own pages so only the essentials, then the brothers and lastly the pets Naga and Pabu), then I guess a good choice for the next group would be the Air Temple Island gang (Tenzin and his family), and so down the line until you exhaust the characters whose debut is in Season 1 (Lin, Hiroshi Sato etc.). Don't even bother adding one off, meaningless, decorative characters and the likes of those like The Fire Nation Council woman :P. --Killuminator (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Splitting this would be as difficult as splitting List of Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess characters; separate shows, same universe, same characters. --71.177.78.98 (talk) 19:58, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not entirely sure Korra should be in here, but since she is, I expanded it anyway. 

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message: I decided to rearrange this page’s sections to correspond to which character is more important and/or appears more.
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1. The Boulder first shows up and has the same importance as the Big Bad Hippo, Xin Fu, and Master Yu, while he never shows up again until Season 3. He’s also above Long Feng and Joo Dee who while show up in the Ba Sing Se arc hold more importance than him. Xin Fu and Master Yu appear in the same amount of episodes, but Master Yu has no lines in one of them, so Xin Fu is more important. Albeit Long Feng doesn’t appear as much, he is a minor antagonist (or at least he just causes trouble), so he is more important than Joo Dee.
2. Azulon is only featured in Zuko’s flashbacks in Zuko Alone. Izumi only has 3 lines. Ursa only shows up in Zuko Alone in Zuko’s flashbacks (can be changed if this includes importance in the comics). Lu Ten only gets lines in Iroh’s flashback in Bitter Work. Mai and Ty Lee show up only 1-2 episodes after Azula, and are actually shown for the rest of the series. Mai appears more than Ty Lee, hence the order. Zhao is a Season 1 antagonist and shows up in Episode 3-19 (or 20, not sure).
3. The term Sky Bison is used more than Air Bison. 
4. Hakoda appears in more than 2 episodes, Yue is very important to the plot, Kya from ATLA is important to Katara and Sokka’s development, Bato has an entire episode named after him, Arnook is in 2 episodes at least, Kanna is in 2 episodes and mentioned later on, and Hama is in 1 episode. Tonraq and Kya from TLoK appear a decent amount of times and are important characters. Desna and Eska are slightly more important than Hakoda. 
5. Baatar Jr. is almost always around Kuvira, who is a main antagonist in Season 4 of TLoK. Wei, Wing, and Huan are side characters. Baatar is just Suyin’s husband. Suyin is important compared to the rest of them.
6. In my opinion, Ghazan is less important than Ming-Hua, but I haven’t watched TLoK in a while, so I may be wrong.
7. Pipsqueak shows up the least, so he’s at the bottom.
8. Rearranged the other characters and organizations in order of importance. Also changed Cabbage Merchant to Cabbage merchant, since it’s a proper noun, not a name.
9. I removed the individual Ember Island Players because adding each one of them doesn’t help at all.
Moved characters: Bato (he is directly involved with the Water Tribe) Dangronples (talk) 07:24, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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message: Hi. I've started a discussion at Talk:The Legend of Korra#List of Legend of Korra Characters pt 2 about splitting the Korra characters out from this article into its own separate list. Bennv3771 (talk) 10:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting The Legend of Korra characters from this list 

message: According to China's National Standard GB/T 28039-2011 Pinyin Spelling Rules of Chinese People's Names (implemented in 2012), spaces only occur between the surname and the given name. I think we should apply this rule to the article. —Wei4Green | 唯绿远大 (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pinyin for Chinese names 

message: The article doesn't have enough real-world information to stand on its own. Most of it is taken up by in-universe descriptions. It probably is best to have Zuko merged here. 76.119.231.225 (talk) 19:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Zuko]] 

message: Hi. I just reliazed someone added Szeto to This list of the complete franchise. I wonder if we should include the rest of characters from those Novels and even comics from both shows. Regards. Miaow 19:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Kyoshi Novels characters 

message: The article mentions that Ty Lee joined the Kyoshi Warriors at the end of the show, which is “contradictory to her previous statement about not wanting to be part of a matched set.” It is later shown in the canon comics that she encountered some uncertainty whilst being a Kyoshi Warrior because it reminded her of her childhood, but I believe she worked through it in that comic. Unfortunately I can’t find the comic to cite it, and I can’t remember the rest of the details. If anyone has access, I believe this should be added to her section. 
Androvax (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ty Lee’s contradictory statement  

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.  No such user (talk) 12:01, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters →  – This list covers characters from both Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra, not just characters from Avatar: The Last Airbender. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 00:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 July 2021 

message: Did the show ever refer to Ursa as a princess? As far as I remember, she’s called Lady Ursa after marrying Ozai. --DerSpezialist (talk) 18:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Princess Ursa?