Talk:Edelweiss Pirates

message: Did they have some ideology or just was having fun together?
Music?
Drinking?
Were they engaged in what we would call crime? (Certainly they ware criminal for Nazi standards, I mean thievery, vandalism).
Were they living at their parents' or were they street children?
Here are some links that might be useful:
http://www.shoahproject.org/widerstand/kids/shkids4.htm
: this one seems the most valuable one; it contains the reports made by the Edelweiss Pirates about their activities, which included saving Jews, forced laborers, deserters from the nazi German army, and some other people who were persecuted by the nazi regime. they (Edelweisspiraten) also spread the news about the successes of the Allies in the WWII, to show their fellow Germans the nonsense of further fighting.
http://www.museenkoeln.de/ausstellungen/nsd_0404_edelweiss/
: the site of the Museum is a real treasury of information on everything surrounding Edelweiss Pirates and the youth culture in the times of WWII in Germany (including the lyrics to the Edelweisspiraten songs)
http://www.palladiofilm.de/palladio/englisch/proj-01-02-e.htm
:this one refers to the film, but it also contains valuable info
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/16/16030/1.html
: this one is a press article
http://www.aussichten-online.de/edelweisspiraten.html
: this one is a press article, too
http://www.kino-zeit.de/filme/artikel/3519_edelweispiraten.html
: this is an article about the movie and the real history behind it
http://www.countryjoe.com/wwwboard/messages/955.html
: this is just the song that was quoted on the wikipedia
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2005w06/msg00286.htm
: references to the book titled 'Inside nazi German' and includes the full version (??) of the Navajo song.
At first they started as a protest against the HJ, but later they also started to sabotage NS installations (very small actions of course). Some groups also attacked HJ leaders, as far as I know a dozen HJ leaders were killed by the Pirates.
(infos taken from the german article)
:# The movie is very far from the real events.
:# The German article doesn't mention any killed HJ-leaders. The number of 12 was given by the Gestapo in 1945, is exaggerated by far (to justify the harsh measures) and includes policemen and so on. Scholars discuss between 3 and 5 murders done by former Edelweißpirates.
:# Only two of the above links are mentioned in the German article.
: What's your game? --jergen 16:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Activities

message: Should the group be named Edelweiss Pirates or Edelweißpiraten in the article itself? Since it was mostly in German, I've converted the few English instances for now, but I vote to switch the Pirates to all English. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:08, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: I've redone the translation of the Navajos song to improve its literal accuracy while preserving (and, I hope, improving) conformity to the original's meter and rhyme scheme.  I'm having some trouble, however, with the second and fourth lines, whose literal translations are "we still lie in chains" and "we are about to break the chains [grammatically 'we will break the chains in the immediate future']":  It's hard to find a rhyming match between the second and fourth lines that preserves literal accuracy, so I've kept the second line literally accurate and gotten the fourth fairly close, supplying a fully literal translation (and moving the rhyme- and meter-preserving translation to gold to complete the black-red-gold, anti-Nazi-black-white-red color scheme).  Improvements are welcome. Antediluvian67 (talk) 16:16, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improved translation of "Navajos" song, but fourth line still needs work 

message: So they stole food coupons (valuable, undoubtedly) attacked and beat up refugees (displaced persons) and assaulted women going out with allied soldiers?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.38.141.202 (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds like just a normal (criminal) youth gang.