Talk:"Weird Al" Yankovic (album)

message: Mr Frump sounds nothing like Alice's Restaurant. It sounds more like carnival music. 67.188.172.165 21:29, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mr Frump

message: The infobox now requires a pre-defined type code.  I've put "studio" down for the moment as it's the most general.  However, we could use "cover" or "tribute" if they're more appropriate descriptions of the album's type.  What do you think? Alex valavanis 12:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Album type

message: I noticed a little Vandalism on this page. I fixed it though.--Gen. Quon 15:41, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: the song he did called straight out of lynnwood is even funnier to me as lynwood is a special school near to where i used to live!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.10.118.184 (talk • contribs) 10:52, 23 September 2007
:Straight Outta Lynwood is not a song.  It's an album. 174.0.46.168 (talk) 05:16, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: {{user|82.10.118.184}}

message: That song is basically a style parody of the song Madness by the band Madness on their One Step Beyond album.It's musically similar all the way,including the simulated handclaps heard at the end of both songs.The only difference is that Weird Al's song is a bit slower in tempo than Madness.If you even know the song Madness,you probably know what I am talking about.Just a thought.Any comments or criticisms?Frschoonover 02:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Check's In The Mail

message: As the previous iteration of this article had zero sourcing for verifiability, I've stricken everything for which I could not find a source.  I've sourced the rest, as well as all of the new information which I've now included in the article.  For anybody interested in finding sources for the stricken information, that version is here.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I tweaked some stuff a litte bit, mostly by adding some of the songs and the old infobox and adding more references, but other than that, I didn't mess with it much. It looks good!--Gen. Quon (talk) 02:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dig moving the personnel section, I probably would have based on the input at the peer review.However, there's 0 sourcing for "The Ballad of Chuck and Diane" or the original intention for "Yoda"; the source for the former only cites that he performed for The Simpsons, but not that there was ever another song intended for this album.  I want to give you a chance to source them should you have any, but otherwise I'l remove them again.Why did you pipe the links from Rock 'n Roll Records to Scotti Bros. Records?  I should imagine the former warrants an article, I'm just not inclined to create it; and per WP:REDLINKS, there's no reason to bypass that red link.Lastly, I really don't like the table-formatting for a track listing.  Nor does WikiProject Albums, their stylature guidelines for track listings (here) says that numbered lists should be used.  Not only does it take a lot more space for the same information, but only 6% of Wikipedia's Featured albums have tabled track listings, the other 94% of them all use numbered track listings.  Per precedent and guidelines, I would really like to know what necessitates we use tablature for this particular article.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 02:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  I just noticed that you also excised the charting information from the Critical Reception section and tabled it w/o any rationale.Why did you remove the reference from "Ricky"'s charting, and not provide one for "I Love Rocky Road"?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 03:00, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added some more references, and created an article for "Rock 'N Roll Records", so I hope that fixes those problems. The main reason I think we need a table-format for the tracklisting is so that we can list the parodies and descriptions in an orderly fashion. I know what you're saying, but I think it would be best. For, Yoda, give me a bit to get the reference, because I know I've read somewhere, just can't find it! I added one  "The Ballad of Chuck and Diane", so hopefully that'll fix that. And the singles, I just moved them and added a reference becuase, I was basing the format off of "Blood Sugar Sex Magik" by Red Hot Chili Peppers, which is a FA. If you disagree, I understand, feel free to change it, but I think it needs a table. I'm glad we're/you are getting somewhere on this article. Peace. 12/12/08 I just wanted to comment that I found the citation for the "Yoda" factoid.--Gen. Quon (talk) 21:53, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dig the RnR article, thanks for the initiative!There's no way we can use a fan site (http://www.allthingsyank.com/) to cite the article ("Chuck & Diane", speficically); that, in no way, meets the requirements as a reliable source.  However, I had missed the bit about "Yoda" in the Permanent Record liner notes.  I re-wrote it a bit to clarify that our source doesn't explicitly state that it would have been on this album, only that it was written at the same time and delayed.  I also consolidated the source, since I'd already referenced those liner notes several times before.You're absolutely right w/regards to the charting.  I've tweaked it per WP:CHARTS, and I put it back under the Reception section since, I feel, how the album (and its singles) charts is reflective of how the album has been received by the public/everybody.  I got rid of the extra subdivisions for the charting as well because (a) such short sections were dissuaded in the peer review and (b) I think they're self-explanatory enough.Lastly, the tabled track listing is still really chafing me!  I'd like to work together on a way to keep the information prosed (as opposed to tabled), but still easy to read.  Was it the two columns?  Was it poor delineation of the non-prose in the list?  I want to maintain continuity with WP:ALBUMS' guidelines, as well as precedent for Featured Articles for our best bet of acceptance w/our work.  Besides, it's awfully gregarious and expansive—taking up far more empty area and page spacing than necessary.  What do you think?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 08:24, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  I've moved the discussion re: tablature below (#tables v. numbered lists), but re: anything else I said here, please reply in this section still.  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:37, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the fansite link, but its the best I can find. I'll look for something more suitable.--Gen. Quon (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  reconstitution 

message: Based on our discussions here, I've reconstituted the track listing as a numbered list.  Whaddawe think?  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 05:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me! --Fru1tbat (talk) 14:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'll agree. It looks good.--Gen. Quon (talk) 18:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  done it to it 

message: Thrice  has included the blurb "Towards the end of the song, it is revealed that the person in the song actually went on the bus to meet The Who." into the description of "Another One Rides the Bus".  There is no such revelation; the narrator is simply comparing the crowded bus conditions to a The Who concert:The window doesn't open, and the fan is broke,
And my face is turnin' blue.
I haven't been in a crowd like this
Since I went to see The WhoUnless my many years of experience in listening to and reading the English language have suddenly failed me, a The Who concert is just a basis for comparison and not the narrator's unrevealed destination (see lyrics).  —  pd_THOR | =/\= | 02:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: @pd_THOR - you are correct, more specifically, not just any Who concert, but the 1979 Who concert concert in which eleven people were killed. FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 15:49, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Who? 

message: Derringer did play guitar on this album.  Unfortunately I don't have the liner notes any more so I don't know which songs. JoeD80 (talk) 03:40, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derringer Guitar 

message: Among the singles mentioned as being from the album are "My Bologna" and "Another One Rides the Bus". Both of these singles were released years before this album, so do they belong there? With "My Bologna", it was even a different version of the song released as a single. Any thoughts? -Joltman (talk) 19:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a good question. I'd say that including "Another One Rides the Bus" makes sense, because while it was released before the album even materialized, it has been understood as a post facto single for some time now. "My Bologna" is trickier, as you note that it's a different version.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 20:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I went ahead and removed MB from the singles listing, since the version on this album is completely different from the one on the Capitol release. I left ARtB, though.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 20:10, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles released before the album, listed as being from the album? 

message: "Gotta Boogie" is, in fact, Al's original composition, but it's also a style parody of the whole disco genre. Disco was very popular (at its peak, even) in the latter half of the 70s and early 80s, and Yankovic recorded the original version of "Gotta Boogie", for his Placebo EP, in 1980.
I mean... it's obvious: the general theme of going out and partying, the song's musical structure, and even some of the sound effects used (including the "shooting star" sound effect, very often used at the time) are displaying it most prominently. That's why I think it sould be mentioned in the track listing. 212.67.149.248 (talk) 18:40, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find a third-party, reliable source that says it's a disco style parody, then we can include it. Otherwise, it's just original research, alas.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 21:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gotta Boogie" (most likely) a parody 

message: Could someone add a tour Setlist please? MemeLordes (talk) 16:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: and : I wanted to discuss this edit. What do you think would be needed for us to restore that info? I can't imagine many other sources have those tour dates archived, and given the notability of the artist and the album, I think a short section mentioning tour dates might be warranted, if done correctly. Maybe with a collapsible table or something?--Gen. Quon (Talk) 14:25, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It could work if there are secondary sources from non-primary sources (the Weird Al past tour dates on his website, being an example of a primary source) to support that. If independent secondary sources can be found - then it could work to restore that section. A collapsible table is a good option if no notability from secondary sources can be found. I would also suggest reading into WP:NTOUR. HorrorLover555 (talk) 18:27, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a policy issue with primary source use here? Note that WP:NTOUR says "Tours that cannot be sufficiently referenced in secondary sources should be covered in a section on the artist's page rather than creating a dedicated article." That seems to mean that a tour table could be supported here.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 19:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means, if a tour table can be supported, it can be restored. To update, I did find through Google Books a seource of a show, so I think we are in luck. HorrorLover555 (talk) 21:06, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tour Setlist