Talk:Talossa

message: Population figures have been going back and forth here.  I've provided sources for the latest figures.  If someone wants to change it, please provide a better source than what's there now. PubliusFL 04:13, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Claimed number of members

message: A notability template has been on Talossan language for a while, and nobody has been able to come up with anything to improve the sourcing of that article.  Since the language appears to be an aspect of the notability of Talossa itself, why not merge the language article into this one (with a redirect)?  If any reliable sources dealing more specifically with the language come to light in the future, the history of the language article will be preserved for resurrection at that time. PubliusFL 19:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger of [[Talossan language]]

message: I have deleted this material:
:In late 2003-early 2004, some citizens of the Kingdom began to see Madison as intolerably eccentric and autocratic in the wake of certain actions on Madison's part including an attempt to have a citizen thrown out on false charges of domestic violence. Led by Chris Gruber (now called Kane Gruber), they responded by creating the secessionist Republic of Talossa on 1 June 2004. As of the 17 December 2007 census, the breakaway group claims 20 members.  Although the Republic is not officially recognized by the Kingdom of Talossa, an agreement of friendship and cooperation has been signed between the two parties.
:Madison continued to lead the Kingdom until 2005, when he abdicated and renounced his citizenship, in favour of his wife's grandchild Louis, who became King on 16 August. Dr. Gregory Rajala held the post of Regent until Louis' abdication on 29 November 2006. An "interregnum" was in effect until 14 March 2007, when John W. Woolley was elected King of Talossa.  As of 2009 the Kingdom claims 120 members.
This page made me suspect that the above claims may not be accurate and may not represent a neutral point of view.  In any case, since they are unverifiable and have negative implications about living persons (specifically, Robert Ben Madison), they have no place in the article.
Disclaimer: I have never been affiliated with any of the various "Talossa" things. I am somewhat acquainted with it because son was an active member in the late 1990s, helped write the Talossan language books, and even attended one of the yearly reunions in Milwaukee. But he is now a graduate student at Berkeley and AFAIK is not an active Talossan anymore. All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 16:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, your son is definitely a member of R. Ben Madison's group, see http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=145725202631 . I think it's easy to prove that Mr. Madison voluntarily left the whole thing to Woolley et consortes in 2005. I watched it happen and cannot believe that all records of the event have been erased. I'm affiliated with the Republic, by the way, so I'm not going to participate in this editing conflict. Jophan (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted questionable material 

message: I trimmed most of the infobox since most of the items are pure fantasy, or unverifiable except by testimonials of members. Moerover, some of them may reflect a biased point of view (see above).In fact I beleive it is quite inappropriate to have infoboxes in micronation articles. Micronations are real social phenomena, and as such they definitely deserve Wikipedia articles, even more than Santa Claus; but the content of such articles must be limited to verifiable facts — which, for most of them, is little more than their existence. Talossa stands out as being somewhat more substantial than the rest, but even so things like "territorial claims" and "currency" cannot be posted here as facts.  Micronations are games of make-believe; Wikipedia has the duty to report on their existence, but must not be sucked into playing their games (or worse, allowing itself to become their playground).All the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 16:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimmed infobox 

message: Someone had added this paragraph at the bottom of the article:
:Talossa is also a name given to a small village in southern Lebanon. The name of the village has been kept for generations and it is believed to have existed for around a thousand years. The village is populated by some 5000 people where te majority live on remittances transferred by their sons living in America and Europe as a result of an expelling campaing carried out by vicious Israeli occupation that lasted 22 years (1978-2000). The village is beautifully situated on a hilltop surrounded by distant mountains that stretch from the Nabatieh area to the medeterenian shores of Nakoura.
Google apparently cannot find any reference to this village, but perhaps the spelling is wrong, or just the name is not official.  Can someone confirm its existence?  Thanks, and all the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 18:41, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lebanese village 

message: Someone with knowledge on this subject needs to clarify some information located in the article. At the beginning it mentions this sentence:
"The Kingdom was founded in 1979 by 14-year-old Robert Ben Madison"
Later in the article, this sentence is mentioned:
"Talossa was founded as a kingdom on December 26, 1979[6] by Robert Ben Madison, a 13 year-old resident of Milwaukee"
Joshua (Contribs. | Talk) (Logs | RC | NP | Useful)) 18:55, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding placement of the <nowiki>{{misleading}}</nowiki> Template