Talk:The X-Files/Archive 2

message: *Can anybody confirm that X-Files was the first TV series sold as an entire season on DVD. That would be notable for the article if it was true, but I can't confirm it. ~Lyuokdea, 8:43 PM CST August 23,2005 
:It wasn't, certainly not in the UK at least. The Prisoner was released on DVD in entirety very early. I know because I remember paying an arm and a leg for it. Sjc 01:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But damn, what a fine show. Zepheus 07:40, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DVD? 

message: One pivotal shipper episode was "Triangle" (6x03), in which Mulder and Scully shared their first on-camera kiss - on a ship, in fact - although the episode did not actually take place in reality.
:Most of the episode was apparently a dream Mulder had after being involved in a shipwreck in the Bermuda Triangle. Brandon39 03:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Trollderella 03:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What can this possibly mean? Can someone ellaborate? 

message: The "X-Files" article incorrectly lists the episode count of the series as 202, and every time I change it, someone incorrectly changes it back. Though "The Truth" was assigned two production codes (9x19 and 9x20) due to it's double-length and has subsequently been split up into two parts for reruns, it originally aired as a single episode, with only one title and end credits sequence.  The Season 9 DVD reflects this, it plays as originally aired and it labled as episode #19, and the packaging officially counts 19 episodes on the complete set.  In any event, to say that there were 202 episodes has no merit.  If one strictly adheres to the production numbers, then one must also accept Episode 3x99, which was the interactive "X-Files" video game.  The footage for this game was shot by the "X-Files" crew during the show's third season and was given a production code for internal purposes.  The fact that the game is obviously not an "X-Files" episode completely invalidates the production codes as a strict basis for episode count.
:Though this is my first venture in this discussion, I agree with you. It would be nice to know who you are, btw. Lady Aleena  08:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. I've changed the page to say 201, and added a brief comment to explain. chrismear 01:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This really depends on the person.  Almost every show now breaks up 2 hour long episodes (or hour long for 30 minute shows) into two seperate episodes.  When you buy a DVD of 24 episodes, and two episodes originally aired together and then is made into two episode for subsequent viewing, it's considered 2 seperate episodes.  I think this brings up three different words we should consider.  It's 201 "Shows", 202 Episodes, 203 productions.  But claims about the DVD or such are iffy because DVDs tend not to be produced by people who were even working on the show at time.  However the claim about the Video game doesn't really work as meantioned a production code is different than a episode.  In addition there's 202 episodes in syndication, not 201, which could lead to some confusion.--Kinglink 04:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  # of episodes: 201 vs. 202 (or even 203), reality vs. production # 

message: Did the list of fan terms come from a different source/list, and if so, where? Some of them seem needlessly obscure, or have at least fallen out of use. If no one has an issue, I'll pare them down to more commonly-used terms (seeing as they're an anecdotal part of the page, anyway)
Frey at last 01:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Fan terminology" 

message: I'm a big X-Files fan, but some of the entries in the Trivia section seem too trivial to me. "Scully was named after sportscaster Vin Scully" is interesting, but "The number of Scully's files (stolen by Duane Barry) is 73317" is not (unless, of course, that number is supposed to be significant.) Anyone object to it being trimmed down? Pelago 14:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From article trivia section about the number 42: "The number is also featured in the plot of the ABC drama series Lost."  Is this relevant in any way? 24.81.28.51 21:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some of the Trivia too trivial 

message: In the Article page it is mentioned under trivia that Security Council Resolution 1013 would state that any government capturing an alien would kill it immediately. I've searched for the text of this resolution, but Resolution 1013 from the UN actually deals with Rwanda. Am I correct in assuming the reference to this resolution is not a piece of trivia but actually a piece of fiction?
:Yeah. It's fiction alright. I believe it's from the episode EBE, first season. I'm not quite sure why its trivia. It's also up above in the Mythology section. I recommend deleting it. In fact, I'm going to delete it right now. Zepheus 07:16, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, 1013 is the name of Chris Carter's production company, that is why they used that number. --Charles 04:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Security Council Resolution 1013 

message: Man, this page is such a mess. Looking at the WikiProject page for the correct structure of a TV show page, this one is quite off. I'm thinking that things like the Trivia, Taglines, Fan Terminology and Around the World sections should all be under one section with a number of subsections. Plus, the Character/Cast list needs to be moved up and other things moved around. Oh, what the heck, I'm going to give it a shot. Let me know if I mess this up. Zepheus 07:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It really is a mess - godspeed! Frey 06:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Structure/Order 

message: Could we perhaps include a list of parodies? About every comedy show in the 90's parodied The X-files. I just though it would be a fun little list to make.--Exer 505 15:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that would be encyclopedic, though I'm sure one or two that got major exposure could be mentioned. --InShaneee 00:23, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with InShaneee about that. That kind of thing should be worked into the Legacy section. I also think that a LOT of this trivia needs to be expunged or moved to other parts of the article. Some of it IS useful, but so much is just pointless listing of unimportant facts. I propose a serious cleanup session in order to get this page more in line with Wikipedia standards. In fact, I'd like to spearhead that if anybody is with me. Zepheus 02:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parodies 

message: I have marked this page for cleanup. You can see my reasons why on the Wikipedia:Cleanup Page. I'm hoping that fans of the show (like myself) and anyone interested in improving Wikipedia can help make this page better. If you are interested in a focused cleanup, please contact me on my X-Files cleanup subpage. Zepheus 05:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mentioned, yes, but we do need to show some discretion when choosing what to mention. Otherwise, this could be ten pages long in itself. --InShaneee 21:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Please see the ideas on Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles and it's talk page and move quotes to WikiQuote. - TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I suggest shortening the Taglines section to a discussion of how taglines were used (instead of just a list of every one), a complete removal of the Fan Terminology section, and a little bit of cleanup for the Relationship To section. --InShaneee 21:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These changes sound good. A short explanation of fan terminology and any importance might be good, with two examples (CSM and Shipper, the most relevant in my book). The Relationship section needs to be changed into paragraphs, as opposed to a list. - Zepheus 21:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shipper isn't an X-Files specific term, though. --InShaneee 22:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to that page, The X-Files newsgroup is probably the first instance of the term in North America, making it notable enough for the X-Files page. - Zepheus 22:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, interesting. Works for me, in that case. --InShaneee 23:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps where possible try to find a corresponding "interwiki" link for "other languages". It would have the "foreign name" by itself. TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup. 

message: The cast section is rediciously boring. It would be better to describe some of the characters a bit within the X-Files fictional universe. - TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast

message: The X-Files has influenced a large number of television shows (such as Supernatural, which is mentioned), films, and even musicians (Catatonia) since it first aired. This is barely touched upon in the Legacy section, and it mostly just lists a number of similar shows. There were also a number of shows that spoofed The X-Files, including The Simpsons and MadTV. I think that these should be mentioned here.
:Mentioned, yes, but we do need to show some discretion when choosing what to mention. Otherwise, this could be ten pages long in itself. --InShaneee 21:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Legacy

message: This section needs references and citations. Where did Carter say that Kolchak was the “father of The X-Files?” I know much of this is true, but it needs harder proof.
Kolchak is practically in Chris Carter's press releases. He mentioned that show ALL the time. Just check out the Carter FAQ and interviews used as references on the page.
And btw, the "father of the X-Files" thing is not in reference to the character Kolchak or the show of Kolchak: The Night Stalker (though it COULD be, according to Carter), the words were used to describe Arthur Dales, a character Carter/Spotnitz wrote who is the father of the "X file" cases, WITHIN the X-Files universe (see episode "Travelers"), in that he was the first to investigate them. The part was written specifically for Darren McGavin who played Kolchak to appear in the role. 172.148.185.131 14:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences

message: Trivia
A lot of this information is important and interesting, and needs to be moved to the appropriate category. For example, “When "Requiem" (the season 7 finale) completed shooting, the producers were unsure if they would come back for an eighth season,” could easily be worked into the history section.
And a lot of this information is completely unnecessary and unimportant. For example, “Scully's telephone number is 555-3564 and (202) 555-6431 (at home),” can be moved to that character’s page if it isn’t already there. It’s simply not important to the show.
:Please see the ideas on Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles and it's talk page and move quotes to WikiQuote. - TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Miscellaneous

message: Not sure what to do with these.
:I suggest shortening the Taglines section to a discussion of how taglines were used (instead of just a list of every one), a complete removal of the Fan Terminology section, and a little bit of cleanup for the Relationship To section. --InShaneee 21:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These changes sound good. A short explanation of fan terminology and any importance might be good, with two examples (CSM and Shipper, the most relevant in my book). The Relationship section needs to be changed into paragraphs, as opposed to a list. - Zepheus 21:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shipper isn't an X-Files specific term, though. --InShaneee 22:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to that page, The X-Files newsgroup is probably the first instance of the term in North America, making it notable enough for the X-Files page. - Zepheus 22:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh, interesting. Works for me, in that case. --InShaneee 23:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Taglines/Fan Terminology/Relationship to other Ten Thirteen Productions shows

message: At the very least, this section needs an intro stating how many countries the show has aired in, where it’s most popular, and places where it’s banned (if any). Most of these foreign titles are devastatingly uninteresting and unimportant. Zepheus 23:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps where possible try to find a corresponding "interwiki" link for "other languages". It would have the "foreign name" by itself. TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 11:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The X-Files around the world

message: This list needs to be shortened significantly. So much of this is junk. - Zepheus 16:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: Where did the TOC go? Am I missing something? - Zepheus 02:48, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh...no...that's...odd... --InShaneee 03:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  table of contents? 

message: I made a new page for recurring characters. I moved the whole list to that page. I don't think all of the names on the main page need to be removed, but perhaps half. Any ideas? - Zepheus 00:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  recurring characters. 

message: I removed these trivia because I can not see their importance. If they are important, they should be worked into the main article and not simply plopped into trivia. I suggest if you do reincorporate them that you strike it from this list.
* The number 42 occurs frequently (Mulder lives in Apartment 42, Mulder has seen Plan 9 From Outer Space 42 times, etc.). This is The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything in Douglas Adams' novel The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
* You can identify episodes directed by Kim Manners; he frames the camera so as to show the face, but not the top of the head.
* From season 2 on, the firearm of choice for most characters is the SIG-Sauer P228.
* The season 5 episode "Bad Blood" contains a number of references and homages to classic vampire and horror films, one of the most subtle being the name of the town in which the episode takes place. Known as Chaney, Texas, the name is most likely a reference to famous 1940s monster movie actor Lon Chaney.
* In the season 8 episode "Salvage", Robert Patrick remarks "You only see metal men in movies." In the film Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Robert Patrick played a metal man.
* David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson have reprised their roles as Mulder and Scully on numerous other shows, including The Simpsons	 	
* The number 1121, and especially the time 11:21 PM, appears regularly on The X-Files, particularly in the early seasons. This is a reference by Chris Carter to his wife Dori's birthday, November 21.	 	
*Bruce Campbell was originally considered for the role of Doggett, but was turned down because he guest starred in an earlier episode.
* While the show hinted that Skinner had a quiet crush on Scully, in real life, Mitch Pileggi (Skinner) met his wife Arlene Warren on the set of X-Files, while she was Gillian Anderson's (Scully) stand-in. In later episodes, she gets some screen time... as Skinner's secretary, Arlene, credited as Arlene Pileggi.
- Zepheus 03:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removed trivia. 

message: I quote this from the original clean-up marking page: 
" Contains way too many lists, which comprise roughly 1/3 to 1/2 of the page. A substantial amount of information on the page is fan speculation rather than sourced references. The show was important in the history of television, but the Wikipedia page has become a collection of fan trivia. Much of the information can be integrated into the rest of the page (with some effort)."
Most of the superfluous trivia has been deleted, making the article much more concise. The speculatory sections of the article have either been sourced, or if they are entirely unnecessary, deleted entirely. I, along with others, especially Zepheus, have endeavoured to make this article fufill the cleanup requirements and I personally believe they have been. Okay, the article can constantly be improved and edited, and I shall continue to do so, but the key cleanup requirements, IMO, are fufilled. Can it be removed from the cleanup section?
Thingymajig 16:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that this article looks so much better now. I can't take credit for that much of the work, with all the work Thingymajig, Xfpisher and others did. I think the two areas that still need cleaning are the trivia. I'm going to see if I can move some of the trivia info up into the main article. The work that's been done with the 1013 section looks good, but maybe it could be organized into paragraphs instead of a list? - Zepheus 16:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Can Cleanup Sticky Be Removed?

message: That Cast section looks great. Who did that? Only one comment, I don't think the years on show section needs parentheses around the years, such as (1995-1997). I think simply 1995-1997 would look better (and be more correct). I'll make this change myself if there are no arguments against it. - Zepheus 21:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cast of characters 

message: I would like to semi-officially announce that the X-Files cleanup is complete. A lot of people strived to make this article better, and I would like to thank them for their hard work on this. I would especially like to thank Xfpisher, Thingymajig, InShaneee and Bunbury18. Without them, this article wouldn't have improved from fan-cruft to a quality article.
Let's not let it end here. Everybody keep up the fact-checking, trivia-shortening and grammar-checking. - Zepheus 23:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The cleanup. 

message: I imagine this is one of the main stumbling blocks that will prevent the article from becoming featured. Overall, this article has a lack of citations, especially in the influences section. But I'm having problems finding half decent interviews with Carter and the ilk. Anyone point some good ones out? Thingymajig 11:27, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess the first ones that I can think of are the interviews that he did for the videocasette box sets. Those are only for the first three seasons. I'm not sure if they are available through other means (such as the DVDs). I would guess that they are. I think these are fairly valuable. He's not hyping up the show as much as in a featurette, because the customer's have already bought the tapes. I have these tapes, by the way. - Zepheus 16:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm hoping that can cover the 'influences' section. I'd be willing to bet that those mentions came from either interviews or commentary/behind the scenes. --InShaneee 01:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: Thought I'd bring up a few niggling little concerns I wasn't able to work out on my own with the article since it's now 'crunch time' :) .
#In "History" > "Seasons 1-3" > second paragraph, second sentance, aside from it being unwieldly from an english perspective, I can't for the life of me figure out who that "their" is referring to, since a good half a dozen characters were mentioned in the previous sentence.
#In "Seasons 4-6", I want to rewrite the first sentence (do we really need to explain Mytharc again?), but I'm not quite sure how to do it so that it still flows with the previous section. Additionally: "...Carter refuses to substantiate whether the two characters ever had sexual intercourse"; is that referencing a specific quote, or can it be rewritten to cover the canonnical ambiguity of their relationship overall?
#In the movie section: why should we care what cut the studios got of the film's take? Should we be spending that much of its brief summary discussing budget concerns at all?
#In "Seasons 7-9": That external link should probably be converted to a reference (and I really need to learn how to do that myself :P ).
#In "Trivia": "As has become commonplace with dramatic TV series in recent years..." Can we narrow down that timeframe a little?
#"Fan Terminology": More external links that could probably be refs (I'm pretty sure those are preferred).
#"Relationship to other..." > "The Lone Gunmen": I know it makes a lot of sense to put the info here, but this is the second time it's explained that "Jump the Shark" wraps up the spin-off.
#Refs: Are all those bulleted refs meant to be formatted differently from the others? Any way we can get those formatted and pointing to specific sections (or are they just general references)?
:Here's to hoping, everyone, and keep up the good work. --InShaneee 02:10, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking a crack at some of those, Thingymajig! --InShaneee 17:05, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I changed up the movie section. If someone wants to find a source for me, it would be much obliged. I'm having some internet difficulties. - Zepheus 00:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it was the first movie tie-in to a still running series. Off the top of my head...well, Transformers: The Movie comes to mind. --InShaneee 23:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Hmm... I remember some factoid about the movie being the first something. Now I'm not sure specifically what. I'm deleting the sentence. - Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 22:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone readded the blurb about the studio's box office cut, as well as the assertion that this was one of the lowest grossing tv tie-ins. The second part strongly smacks of original research, and the first part I still say doesn't need to be in this article. Thoughts? --InShaneee 16:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Woo! Good job all, handshakes all around. --InShaneee 17:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice! Way to go, guys. - Zepheus (ツィフィアス) 03:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I want to say congratulations to all of those who helped with the great improvement of this article!  You should be proud of yourselves. ---Charles 03:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The push to GA!(Now Accomplished)

message: Several of the images currently used in the article are tagged incorrectly, or missing sources or fair use rationales. I uploaded a number of them - using the older copyrighting system - but I'm a little out of my league now. I'm fine, of course, with having them deleted, or deleting them myself, but I didn't want to do that without first seeing if anyone could lend a hand. If not, and we we're infringing on copyrights by using those images here, then by all means let's delete them from the page.
Frey 08:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image copyright problems 

message: What's with the kid, "Gibson"? He's obviously psychic and seems to be a recurring character, so I thought I'd find an explanation if I came to Wikipedia. Maybe someone familiar with the show could flesh out the guest cast a bit more...? Cribcage 04:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, good idea. We're still missing a bunch of important mytharc characters. I just created a page for him - Gibson Praise. --Frey 22:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gibson? 

message: I find it hard to believe that this article makes almost no mention of the fandom phenomenon. While it's commonplace for shows to have large online communities these days, complete with shippers of all varieties, The X-Files was surely one of the first (the first?) cross-over hit (Star Trek probably has true first place) to really run with usenet (no mention of ATXF and ATXC?! :o) and develop such a thriving fan community, especially wrt fan fiction. I mean you just don't see things like OBSSE with other shows... compare to Friends or Ally McBeal or... the difference is insane. People were so into it. And Chris Carter & the writers really fed off it. Man, it was only 10-15 years ago! Anyone else here with me? :/ --pfctdayelise (translate?) 12:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think a list of fan acronyms is a good idea (there are dozens if not hundreds, for a start). I mean some discussion of the influence the online fan community had in the show's development and ongoing existence. I believe there was a lot more intense relationship between fans and the show's creators than most shows ever dream of. But I don't have access to the resources I mentioned. My library's catalogue sucks. :P pfctdayelise (translate?) 04:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fandom needs a mention 

message: Where did the hyphen come from?  Imdb.com lists the show as "The X Files" and the screen cap from the title screen as depicted on the Wikipedia page does not show a hyphen.  In my opinion, for what it's worth, the page should be redirected to "The X Files". 66.184.16.58 17:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh. On the other hand, Foxhome.com lists it with the hyphen. I think the title's unusual font/design is the reason it doesn't seem to include the  hyphen, but common usage and parent company usage seem to support it. Obviously we can't put the X in a circle, like the logo. Good eye, though. -- nae'blis 17:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphen? 

message: Note: This article has a small number of in-line citations for an article of its size and subject content. Currently it would not pass criteria 2b.
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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: WOULD ONE CONSIDER X-FILES TO HAVE USED THE SAME INTRODUCTION THEME AND/OR INTRODUCTION SEQUENCE FOR THE LONGEST IN ITS ENTIRE RUN? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.35.126 (talk • contribs) 
*The Simpsons have been using the same theme for almost twice as many seasons. In fact, that title sequence has remained unchanged, whereas The X-Files sequence had to be changed to accomdate actors joining or leavng the show. -- Kicking222 20:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Theme

message: "At the time of its final episode, it was the longest running sci-fi show in American television history" - Not true, how about Doctor Who? At that time it 3 times more episodes. Please reference.
:...Doctor Who is a british show... --InShaneee 01:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh.. right.. Michaelas10 07:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not true 

message: This article does not mention the X-Files Mythology DVD sets, such as this. Perhaps this should go in the DVD section. Should it? 
BartonM 13:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-Files Mythology DVD sets? 

message: Attention all X-Files editors. Please check out the peer review of this article at Wikipedia:Peer_review/The_X-Files. Let's work on the things that are brought up there. I've archived the automated review on my user subpage. Please check it out there and cross things out as you work on them. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 18:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review. 

message: If anyone has the first season of The X-Files on DVD, they can take a screencap and upload it over the leaf vortex image, putting in proper image info of course. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 05:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though I believe it does now have sufficient info. --InShaneee 14:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh. I didn't notice that had happened. Awesome work InShaneee. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 17:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: X-Files Vortex Image

message: "The show, perhaps to add to the mystique, never displayed episode titles on screen. It was one of the first TV series whose fans disseminated information such as this strictly via the Internet."
At the very beginning of the article but its not true. I recorded every episode of the first two seasons and got all the episode titles from TV Guide. A mcmurray 07:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Simply not true

message: What is the big deal of the first line of the article where it says, "The X-Files is/was an ..."?  One person writes "is" and the next person comes along and changes it to "was".  Is there a way we can resolve this revolving problem?  Do the Wikipedia admins have a preference on how to refer to television shows that are no longer in production?  The X-Files is still shown in syndication on various networks, but is not making new episodes.  Therefore, it's kind of like a dead person whom you refer to in a past tense.  I don't think using "was" diminishes the X-Files.  What do other defunct televison series use?  I personally don't mind either "is" or "was".  I just want this constant switching back and forth between tenses to stop. Muldernscully 17:22, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed on the flip-flopping. I have usually seen the tense change from present- to past-tense when production on the series ends. For example, Sons & Daughters (US TV series) uses "was". Happy Days uses "was".  However, Frasier uses "is" once and then immediately switches to past tense; same with Arrested Development.  If it were up to me, though, I'd change to "was" for anything that is no longer being produced; it just seems proper. I can't find a guideline right now, but there's probably one out there.- (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 18:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if there's a guideline, but I believe that the preferred method is to use "is".  The X-Files is a television show in the same way that Ulysses is a novel and Casablanca is a film.  We don't say "Casablanca was a film", simply because it's no longer in cinemas. What's past tense about The X-Files is its original broadcast, not its nature as a TV show.--Nalvage 20:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see your point, but remember that you're talking about a novel and a film, which are only ever "done" once.  Perhaps your explanation makes more sense today than it would, say, 10 or 20 years ago when there weren't DVD releases for every series.  I don't know, but when a TV show goes off the air, I think of it differently, as though it's "over" and needs to be looked back upon.  But I'm sitting here arguing over the philosophy of "Was vs. Is" ... funny.  Anyway, unless there's a policy to quote, we should probably leave it as it is. - (Nuggetboy) (talk) (contribs) 17:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Creative works "are" (not "were") unless they have been lost or destroyed. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was vs. Is 

message: Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. --Kbdank71 16:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CFD notice 

message: I don't mean the supporting characters, but rather the number of extras that appeared in the early seasons (I think up until about 4?) playing different characters. Usually in speaking parts. Ones that spring to mind are the Native American woman who plays the Werewolf guy's sister in one episode, and the black-haired woman who features heavily in the episode with the Quaker-like folks. These actresses played a number of other minor but speaking parts in these early seasons, and I'm sure there were others too I noticed while watching it. Does anyone have any more info? Xzamuel 19:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Nitpicker's Guide for X-Philes by Phil Farrand has a number of these listed. To be honest, I'm not sure that they're worth mentioning. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 01:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recurring actors 

message: Someone continues to remove the following from the page (usually positioned above the second to last paragraph in Seasons 3-5 section)
 
I may be wrong here but I think the removers are not getting it. First of all the image is GNU licensed/"free", as it was taken by another Wikipedian. This means that even if it WASN'T a good image or relevant to the content of the page, it would still be perfectly legal to use it, unlike the vast majority of images whose legality is nebulous (although this is a fact of pop culture articles. even if we used far less images as many have suggested to address this issue and also cut down page size, we would still be in some technical violation just for having any screenshots to identify Mulder and Scully at all).
Anyway, there are no legal issues surrounding the particular Image:Stanley_Park_1999_Rain.jpg, as it is not a screenshot from the show (although they did film in Stanley Park on occasion). The only reason to remove the Vancouver image is if it's not relevant.
I think it is VERY relevant.
Even with all the pretty, tiny, screenshots littering the page, there is no image which clearly identifies the "X-Files look" (there is an image from One Breath, but this is an unusual surreal landscape). This is of course not necessary, but many episodes shot over the first five years from the pilot on, did have that foggy, rainy look. There are even quotes from Chris Carter to the effect that Vancouver was the "main character" in the show. Even in the years since they relocated to LA, Carter made such statements, regretting the move because he was so enamored of the aesthetic value of Vancouver as a background for this particular show. In the absence of any "free" image identifying an X-Files episode that looks "distinctively Vancouver", this photo shows what a typical outdoor daytime X-Files scene from this era might look like. No, I am not from Vancouver. In fact, I have never even been to Canada. But when I first saw this image, it looked to me like The X-Files. That's what I mean.
I also noticed this is currently the main image in the Climate of Vancouver article. That is what that section is explicitly talking about- there was large controversy over Duchovny's supposed hatred of the Vancouver climate, as a reason the show left Canada at that time; in addition, the next section explains how the new climate in LA was utilized in different ways by the producers, creating a new, lighter tone to the show. Everyone knows what southern California looks like. This picture quickly summarizes that Vancouver look for someone who doesn't read the text.
If the image itself is not enough, the image caption clearly states its relevance to The X-Files (and also provides information not specified in the article text, so by deleting the image that is also deleted). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.162.21.82 (talk) 02:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vancouver image issues

message: maybe we should have one of those .ogg sound clips, of mark snow's theme song as it is one of the most recognizeable aspects of the show (though I can't imagine many people reading this article wouldn't already have heard it).
and redirects:
Typing "Frohike" should redirect automatically to Melvin Frohike. "Krycek" should redirect automatically to Alex Krycek. "Langly" (note spelling) should redirect to Richard Langly. There is apparently no one else notable with these names. Also, the first names of the Lone Gunmen were not even invented until several seasons into The X-Files, they usually went by last names only. 172.148.185.131 00:35, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggestions on X-Files article(s) 

message: Science fantasy huh? Umm. OK, I guess? Watched the whole run of the show, never referred to it or heard it referred to as science fantasy.A mcmurray (talk • contribs) 19:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Science fantasy

message: This is very confusing. Is this a new feature of TV show infoboxes? It doesn't work to list Millennium there. As described in the later section, and linked in The X-Files NAV box at the bottom, it is "related", not only are they both created by Carter and produced by Ten Thirteen, meaning there's a lot of overlap of fans, there was even a crossover episode and occasional in-jokes/allusions between the shows, which is mentioned in the appropriate section of this article. But fundamentally they don't appear to occur in the same universe, except for these few crossover episodes, which doesn't merit it being in the infobox at the top. Besides that, someone looking at the infobox would have the idea the relation between the shows is "chronological" like the relation between All in the Family and Archie Bunker's Place, and that's completely untrue. Lone Gunmen on the other hand, doesn't have complete continuity with The X-Files and has a different focus from what I've heard, but is definitely a spinoff of The X-Files.
:No one answered, so I removed Millennium from there. Its connections with The X-Files are covered in the section on Relation to other Ten Thirteen Productions, and it's still linked from the X-Files navbox template, but the connections are too minor to warrant a place at the top of the page. It would be misleading to people who are not familiar with the show, implying it's an X-Files spinoff like The Lone Gunmen (especially as the section is titled "chronology"). 172.144.187.160 04:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Chronology" in infobox

message: На вибрану --Miwanya 13:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Голосування 

message: I believe the correct name of the ship used in the episode "Triangle" is RMS Queen Mary, not HMS.
The RMS is located in Long Beach, CA, and the RMS Queen Mary article references the episode being shot there.
Johncorle 18:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season Six "Triangle" 

message: Okay. This issue has been going on in a slow motion edit war a long time. In the info box at the top, do we identify The X-Files as an American show, or an American AND also (secondarily) Canadian show? And in the intro sentence, do we have to characterize the show as being from a particular country? Obviously if we chose one country, it would have to be the United States, but the issue is more complicated than it seems.
I'm going to lay out the points I see on each side, and hopefully (please please) some other people will come on this page for once and say what they think on this issue. Maybe someone with more Wiki-knowledge can help make this decision from the facts below, even if that person has never watched the show.
For US only in infobox:
*Show was financed by Twentieth Century Fox, an multinational company based in the US, and was made to be shown on the US FOX network. It was designed for US television, reflected in everything from the censorship standards imposed on it, to the format for where to put commercial breaks.
*Show was produced by Ten Thirteen Productions, an American company (based in Los Angeles through all 9 years of the show, even when Chris Carter had several shows for Ten Thirteen filming up in Canada). Carter is American.
*The main stars of the show were American actors.
*The main producers, directors and writers were Americans, or at least American-born and moved to Canada in order to work on American TV that filmed there (The X-Files was not the only one, although it wasn't anywhere near as common at the time as it is now), and the writing staff worked out of LA, having to fly up to Vancouver frequently. Some of the main behind the scenes crew members, like the composer Mark Snow, were also American and worked out of LA all 9 years.
*The show is almost always set in the US. The plot revolves around goings on throughout the country, and the US government.
*The show was filmed in the US for its final four seasons, almost half the run of nine.
*The X-Files movie was filmed in the US (although this isn't directly relevant since the article is about the show).
For US and also Canada in infobox:
*The show was filmed in Canada for more than half the run, 5 out of 9 years. Location filming in the US was never done, except for a few exterior shots without the actors, i.e. the FBI building. Even for episodes set in iconic American locations, local equivalents were found.
*With the exception of the leading stars (Anderson, Duchovny, Mitch Pileggi) and some guest stars flown up from America, most of the actors used in the show during the majority of the run were Canadian. Some of them attained fame playing major secondary characters in the show who were supposed to be American, such as William B Davis who played the Cigarette Smoking Man, Nick Lea who played Alex Krycek, and Chris Owens who played several roles including Spender. These Canadian actors continued their large role in the show when it moved to the US.
*The first five years filmed in Vancouver are when the show peaked in ratings and popularity and also received the bulk of its critical recognition. The show remained popular afterward, although ratings and reviews declined; for example, viewership in the final season were down to even lower than in the first season, and the show was not receiving many awards or positive reviews from critics in its late period either. Whatever one may prefer as a viewer, the show's image and influence was defined far more by its first five years than the latter four. The American producers of the show said as much themselves. Chris Carter did not want to move filming out of Vancouver and said the look of the city was "the main character" in the show.
*Although the production company and writers were based in LA all through, for the first five years the technical crew was based in Canada with the filming. Some of the crew members may have been American born, but most were Canadian. Several of them continued to work on the show after it moved to LA.
*Even though it was developed for American TV, The X-Files came out in an era when TV had a worldwide reach, so it began airing in markets worldwide within a year. It became even more popular internationally than in the US. However in Canada, unlike other countries, it was probably aired in first-run at the same time as in the US. I don't know about that because I'm not Canadian- I just think this is generally how North American TV deals work.
I have yet to see a specific guideline on how to determine the nationality of a product created by/for a multinational company, with multinational crew and cast. I am not Canadian, in fact I have never been there, but I think until such time as there's a specific policy on how to determine nationality for all TV show articles (or someone makes us here aware of it), I will argue for Canada to be included as a secondary nationality - my preference was for a line break and then  (filming, 1993-1998) - and edit as necessary. If the show was largely filmed in Canada, with Canadian actors in most of the secondary roles, and the look of those locations was considered of key importance, and it aired in Canada at the same time as in the US all through its run, I think we could consider viewers were watching both an American AND a Canadian product, at least for the first five years, regardless of where the money came from. 172.165.143.225 08:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I also want to point out this is a bit different from your typical Hollywood movie which shoots in Toronto for the lower price and pretends it's New York. There's no way such a product can be called Canadian. However, setting up for five years in Canada and transmitting 20 hours of Canadian images a year (especially before this was so routinely done) is more like what was done with the Lord of the Rings films, which one could consider to have a "country of origin" in New Zealand, among others, even though the money was not New Zealand's and neither was most of the cast, or the main intended audience. 172.148.117.110 23:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: X-Files: From US, Canada or both?

message: Just a notice, I will be nominating this for Good article review in two weeks if size trimming doesn't begin. Quadzilla99 11:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If work is progressing I'll avoid nominating it. It's currently 146 KB overall, with 89 KB prose. Quadzilla99 10:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential GA/R

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Flukeman.jpg

message: :Image:Donniex2.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Donniex2.jpg

message: For parodies, I think we could include the "VISITORS FROM DOWN THE STREET" episode from CRUSADER (the BABYLON 5 spinoff).  In that episode the human starship crew tries to contact a planet and winds up tangling with a paranoid alien, a red-scaled scientific female alien, and a cigarette-smoking alien who wants to make a deal with them.
The ANDROMEDA episode "PITILESS AS THE SUN" did another sort of reversal by borrowing the X-File concept and casting William B. Davis (the Cigarette Smoking Man actor) in the Mulder role.
CharlesTheBold 00:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MORE POP CULTURE