Template talk:Okina

message: :The template was kept. See Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 January 18. -Splashtalk 23:55, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFD 

message: Why is it that this template uses another template within itself, and why is it that the first template uses the glyph that is incompatible for IE users, instead of the Unicode variant (and is named via the use of an apostrophe)? Ryulong 02:47, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I recently editted Template:'okina so that instead of the symbol, I made it ʻ, which still creates the symbol when used, to the best of my knowledge, as I use Internet Explorer.--Ryulong 02:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The  is the general-use template for most situations, especially for Hawaiian English, and it is equivilent to .  But since the  template uses the HTML  tags, using this template in other templates that use these HTML tags will cause it to break.  So, in such circumstances, it is more appropriate to use  itself, even though it is slightly less IE-has-been-broken-for-years-friendly. - Gilgamesh 02:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So it is more useful to use  which in its own coding uses  which used the unitelligible symbol (to IE users, the broken box) instead of the Unicode hex values?  Because () looks like a skinny box, () looks like a fat box, and  when bolded () looks like this [, but shorter. Ryulong 03:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's because of the  tag.  It references a stylesheet that specifies a list of readily available fonts that display a large variety of Unicode characters.  The browser displays the first font in the list that's installed on the user's system.  And this is how IE is broken—when any font is specified (including Wikipedia's basic display stylesheet such as Monobook.css that, if I'm correct, specifies Verdana by default, which does not support okina), IE displays the contained text in that font and only that font, even if the text contains characters the font doesn't support.  Mozilla-based browsers and Safari go through this font selection process for every single character in the text (and looks for additional installed fonts if none in the font list support a character), which allows elegant implicit mixing of fonts in the same text as needed.  This is broken in IE because this behavior—as with so much other IE behavior—has been left all but unchanged for years.  When IE became the dominant browser, they stopped adding new features for years, because they weren't being forced to.  They have only been forced to gradually add new popular features with the rising popularity of Firefox. - Gilgamesh 06:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay.  Thank you for clearing that up. So, once again, it's all Microsoft's fault. Ryulong 06:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:'okina]]? 

message: I have recently editted  so that the okina is shown through a font that Windows has and can be seen through Internet Explorer. Now users of IE will not see the evil box, and will instead see the 'Okina that WikiProject Hawaii has strived for. Ryūlóng 20:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had no problems before, so I cannot test it, but would this then finally after all these months, years, and all these angry words and heated debates, be the solution? --Tauʻolunga 06:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I use Internet Explorer, and I see the okina fine now. It's no longer a giant box, or a small box. It's what it should be in any internet browser, as long as Lucida Sans Unicode is on someone's computer. Ryūlóng 08:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My latest modifications to {{tl|'okina}} and {{tl|okina}} 

message: Why don't we use  instead of . This way, it would be more standards-friendly and XHTML-conforming. It would still work in IE. --Ysangkok 20:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HTML 

message: It seems like a better practice would be for the wikimedia engine to define and support additional custom SGML named character entities, such as &okina;. This can be converted on the fly during source to html conversion. Is this on the table?--Bxj (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Named character entity 

message: Should the okina added by the template link to the Wikipedia page on the okina? FokkerTISM 05:51, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to the page on the okina