Talk:Li He

message: 天上謠Traditional   	Tiānshàng YáoPinyinThe Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Mongolian Language Site Allusions to Classical Chinese Poetry in Pink Floyd (Li He / Li Ho).	"In Heaven"English translation
:天河夜轉漂回星，
:銀浦流雲學水聲。
:玉宮桂樹花未落，
:仙妾采香垂佩纓。
:秦妃捲簾北窗曉，
:窗前植桐青鳳小。
:王子吹笙鵝管長，
:呼龍耕煙種瑤草。
:粉霞紅綬藕絲裙，
:青洲步拾蘭苕春。
:東指羲和能走馬，
:海塵新生石山下。	
:tiān hé yè zhuǎn piào huí xīng,
:yín pǔ liú yún xué shuǐ shēng.
:yù gōng guì shù huā wèi luò,
:xiān qiè cǎi xiāng chuí pèi yīng.
:qín fēi juǎn lián běi chuāng xiǎo,
:chuāng qián zhí tóng qīng fèng xiǎo.
:wáng zǐ chuī shēng é guǎn cháng,
:hū lóng gēng yān zhòng yáo cǎo.
:fěn xiá hóng shòu ǒu sī qún,
:qīng zhōu bù shí lán tiáo chūn.
:dōng zhǐ xī hé néng zǒu mǎ,
:hǎi chén xīn shēng shí shān xià.	
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秋來Traditional  	Qiū LáiPinyin	"Autumn Arrives"English translation
:桐風驚心壯士苦，
:衰燈絡緯啼寒素。
:誰看青簡一編書，
:不遣花蟲粉空蠹。
:思牽今夜腸應直，
:雨冷香魂吊書客。
:秋墳鬼唱鮑家詩，
:恨血千年土中碧。	
:tóng fēng jīng xīn zhuàng shì kǔ,
:shuāi dēng luò wěi tí hán sù.
:shuí kàn qīng jiǎn yī biān shū,
:bù qiǎn huā chóng fěn kōng dù.
:sī qiān jīn yè cháng yīng zhí,
:yǔ lěng xiāng hún diào shū kè.
:qiū fén guǐ chàng bào jiā shī,
:hèn xuè qiān nián tǔ zhōng bì.	
:The young lad, startled to his core by the paulownia wind, is in pain;
:his lamp failing him, he can hear the crickets chirping their cold, lonely song.
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神弦曲Traditional   	Shén Xián QūPinyin	"Tune for Unearthly Strings"English translation
:西山日沒東山昏，
:旋風吹馬馬踏雲。
:畫弦素管聲淺繁，
:花裙綷縩步秋塵。
:桂葉刷風桂墜子，
:青狸哭血寒狐死。
:古壁彩虯金帖尾，
:雨工騎入秋潭水。
:百年老鴞成木魅，
:笑聲碧火巢中起。	
:xī shān rì méi dōng shān hūn,
:xuán fēng chuī mǎ mǎ tà yún.
:huà xián sù guǎn shēng qiǎn fán,
:huā qún sī cài bù qiū chén.
:guì yè shuā fēng guì zhuì zǐ,
:qīng lí kū xuè hán hú sǐ.
:gǔ bì cǎi qiú jīn tiē wěi,
:yǔ gōng qí rù qiū tán shuǐ.
:bǎi nián lǎo xiāo chéng mù mèi,
:xiào shēng bì huǒ cháo zhōng qǐ.	
:Behind the western mountain the sun sets, and the eastern mountain grows dark;
:as the whirlwind blows the horses on, the horses charge and trample the clouds.
:The beautiful lute and unadorned flute make music light and welcoming;
:in autumn the priestess's pretty garment rustles, stirs up clouds of sand.
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These should probably be completed here (preferably via collaboration with someone with more knowledge of Classical Chinese than me) before being re-added to the article.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: I don't consider it "dismissive", and it most certainly is "sourced" (Ctrl+F the "Poetry" section for "when a line of poetry came to him he would jot it down"). If "scribble" is a problem for some editors, then we can just use the same word in the lead. "writing" is extremely bland and non-descriptive, and definitely inferior to BOTH "scribbling" and "jotting". 
On a related note, is "scribble" dismissive because it sounds kinda like "drivel"? I am really curious why you thought that. I personally would prefer to use slightly different but essentially synonymous wording, so if you don't have a reason for thinking the previous wording was dismissive, I'd rather change it back.
Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:23, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm puzzled by the above comment. Wikipedia is supposed to be factual - the fact that we know is that Li wrote down his poetic ideas. "Write" describes this factually. Another word might be more colourful, but at the same time more fanciful. "Scribble" is not a synonym of "write". The definition of "scribble" is "To write or draw carelessly and in a hurry". Do we have any evidence that Li wrote carelessly and in a hurry? Without evidence it's clearly derogatory. "Jot" is rather a colloquial word; its definition is similar but not so strongly negative as "scribble" - Wiktionary merely says "To write quickly". Do we have evidence he wrote quickly?Quelcrime (talk) 14:21, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not going to get into a debate over whether Wikipedia is allowed record "facts" about a relatively obscure literary figure from 9th-century China. I used high-quality secondary and tertiary, mostly-scholarly, sources to write this article; we don't take a source that says he jotted or scribbled down notes while he was out and then constructed the poem that evening and neuter them to say he "wrote" lines of poetry. By saying "scribble" and "write" are not synonyms, you are admitting you altered the article to say something not supported by the source. Furthermore, the lead of the article is intended to summarize the body -- you should not edit the lead without also examining the body, but your edit summary claiming that there was "no source" indicates that that is exactly what you did. Have you read the source cited for the text? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 16:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "scribbling it down and completing the poems when he arrived home"