Talk:Danegeld

message: A danegeld was not just an English tax, it was also used in Francia, and it did not necessaraily have to be a 'tax' in the proper use of the word. Charles the Bald was the first Frankish king to pay a danegeld in 845. This consisted of him handing over 7,000 lb's of silver to the viking leader Ragnar.
Source: The year 845 in the Annals of St Bertin. I'll come back later and rewrite this article unless anyone else has further input?
Just checking a few sources and the first English danegeld actually appears to have been in 865 by the people of Kent.
Source: Jones, Gywn. A History of the Vikings. New York: Oxford University Press, 1968.
"48,000 pounds (17,916 kg) of silver" - something wrong here.  17,916/48,000=0.37325 kg in one pound. Wrong pounds or kilograms?  --Tigga en 04:39, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can well understand the concern that paying tribute was not just an English phenomenon in the so-called Viking Age, but, was it called 'danegeld' in Francia? I don't know, but I very much doubt it. If not, then that has to be made very clear: it should not be called "danegeld" in this article. Nortonius (talk) 10:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Not just an English tax

message: Is the addition of Appeasement in the "See also" section legitimate? I am not a native English speaker, but the article does not have any mention of the word being relevant for Danegeld. --Saddhiyama (talk) 15:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Appeasement 

message: Under the heading Frisia you say: where they assaulted Dorstadt and extorted a tribute from the population
are you sure this should not be Dorestad (NL) instead of Dorstadt (DE). Kadeike (talk) 10:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frisia 

message: Can someone tell me what I've did wrong with note 18 and why the brackets don't do their job? Nik Sage (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a linebreak in text in the brackets between the author and title (presumably from wherever you cut and pasted it). I guess on your screen it must have appeared at the edge of your screen where there was already a natural linebreak, and you didn't notice it. Happens to me all the time as well. --Saddhiyama (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the help, but I still don't get it. What do you meen when you say linebreak, a simple space that breaks the line? Was it between "England:" and "Grant"? Nik Sage (talk) 17:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, basically same function as if you write a sentence then move the cursor to the middle of it and press "enter". If you copy paste that whole sentence, the "enter" linebreak will be copied as well, and the ref-code requires the citations to be on the same line. I hope you understand, it is difficult to explain as I am usually not that technically minded. --Saddhiyama (talk) 19:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnote 18 - formatting, line break - fixed

message: I corrected the few instances of "Danegelds" to Danegeld. The addition of plural -s is foolish and demonstrates no feeling for the old Norse language; a discussion could be started regarding plural of old Norse words, since almost no-one today has knowledge of complex old Norse grammar wherefore the correct usage of plural in different contexts might prove exceedingly difficult to implement.
Be that as it may, "Danegelds" is certainly unpreferable. One might conjugate as in German 'Danegelder', but for now I have corrected as uncountable 'Danegeld', and then number of instances where Danegeld was received.
Forgot to sign in again-again, sorry; ~ Jjjjc  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.72.23.67 (talk) 23:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you you are correct You cant Plural a non-english word in the english way its against the rules of english wikipedia. you have certainly studied your stuff. the plural of the word is certainly Danegelder which would literally translate to Dane money's. Its becasue of your logical Agrument that i edited the Literal meaning back to its real value. i added your citatation as well. i checked the artical to see if this issue was brought up before and some one said it was Danes's Money but its incorect. also the literal cant be Dane debt that makes no sense whats so ever theres no way geld can mean debt litteral (translation wise). thanks for living up to the creed of wikipedia and promoting knowledge helping me and every one else to be smarter in the process 76.244.155.36 (talk) 00:02, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plural of Danegeld 

message: This article would appear to be unfocused according to www.britannica.com (my emphasis):
-- PBS (talk) 13:10, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Focus 

message: Would it be correct to distinguish two processes: the extortion of money through menaces, and the raising of that money through a protection racket? Shtove 14:04, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: How are they different/distinguished ? - Rod57 (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

text: The former is offensive: give me silver, or I kill you. The latter is defensive: give me silver, or I can't protect you from the killer. I'm wondering if the answer to the curious state of the country over such a long period, with its permanent enemy within, is that the ruling elite found the racket a convenient way to maintain and extend power. Perhaps I'm projecting American values! Shtove (talk) 12:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection money - or extortion 

message: Article reports translation into modern English as "Danish tax" or "yield". I'm no expert on Old Norse/English, but I was wondering if this is correct? 
"tax" or "tribute" seems to fit, but translation as "yield" seems wrong - only source seems to be this page. 
"gæld" in modern Danish is "debt" - it is described as "Danegæld" on the Danish page. In fact modern Gældstyrelsen (https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A6ldsstyrelsen) comes after you if you don't pay your taxes or public debt.
Would "Dane debt" be a valid translation? One reliable source describes it as such from Univ. Exeter.
https://projects.exeter.ac.uk/RDavies/arian/viking.html
Jw2036 (talk) 22:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct translation? 

message: How did it (the wider practice) start - before/outside England ? Could do with a chronological overview, in intro or own section, since the national sections make it hard to see if Fresia or elsewhere was the first. Were the payments made to a single Danish authority, or to various tribal groups ? - Rod57 (talk) 11:17, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  How did it start - before/outside England 

message: Can we have/start a list of such payments, including dates, amounts, by-whom, to whom, location ? Did the Vikings always visit to collect the Geld, or was it sometimes delivered to them ? - Rod57 (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we have a list of such payments 

message: The article uses both. Should it be capitalised or not? LastDodo (talk) 09:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Danegeld - means a payment or tribute for the Danes.  "Dane" is synonymous with Scandinavian raiders in the 8th/ 9th century and refers to a country and is therefore a proper noun so should normally be capitilised. There are other precedents, for example if you look at dogs, breeds such as "Afghan Hounds" or "Rottweilers" that are named after places are always capitilised, whereas breeds such as "fox hounds" or "bulldogs" are not.Wilfridselsey (talk) 14:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the reply. I would like to see if anyone disagrees. If not, I suggest the article be adjusted accordingly. LastDodo (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: OK - I have adjusted the article accordingly. Please check to make sure I haven't missed any. There are probably more arguments about English grammar than anything else on English Wikipedia. So maybe we will get some on this?Wilfridselsey (talk) 11:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not an expert but your explanation for capitalizing it seems reasonable, so as long as it is consistent I for one have nothing against it. TylerBurden (talk) 09:18, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Historians don't necessarily have a degree in English grammar, so I am sure that we will occasional get the "D" in miniscule form based on an authorative  source! That does not mean that it is correct. We still get arguments about the indefinite article and the all time favourite must be "its vs it's" (the former being possessive and the latter a contraction). I think that as Dane is a proper noun, it is secure to use the Majuscule form. Wilfridselsey (talk) 15:05, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

text: I checked with the Britannica, OED and Websters. Britannica and OED have Danegeld capitilised, Websters describes Danegeld as a noun "often capitalized". Wilfridselsey (talk) 08:20, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: So it seems references mostly capitalize as well, then I think we can pretty much consider it consensus to use that consistently here. But you're right, I wouldn't be surprised if someone eventually takes issue with it somehow, it's amazing what petty things people waste their time arguing about on this site. Hopefully we can avoid that here! TylerBurden (talk) 10:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  danegeld or Danegeld?