Talk:Starbucks/Archive 1

message: I've gone through and reworked the organization of this article a good bit, combining sections and moving things around so they flow in a more logical sequence. I also whittled down the "Inside Starbucks" section a good bit (it included lots of insider detail that just got to be too much, IMHO). I added a few new details where I could as well. Jerry Kindall 06:05, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reorganization and edit

message: There are various contradictions in this article, as well as places where there are incorrect statistics.  I could rpove halft this article wrong.  This article gives the number of locations in 5 places with five numbers.  All five are about 45,000 too low.  This article could seriosly mislead people.  It's things like this that make some people not trust the info on wikipedia.  Tobyk777 21:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is totaly inacurate

message: There is no mention of the actual menu of Starbucks in this article.  I think this is a vital part of the article.  Tobyk777 21:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: No Menu

message: I don't think it needs to be specifically mentioned which telecom companies offer WI-FI in Starbucks. Anyone else agree?
--Sveden 02:25, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  No advertising in wikipedia 

message: Seeing as it is mentioned that some Target Greatland have Starbucks, shouldn't it be mentioned that some of the Starbucks locations are in Targets? Possible as part of the rapid expansion section?
Starbucks enters contracts with various large corporations to license Starbucks locations inside theirs stores; that's why you sometimes see Starbucks in Barnes & Noble, Kroger, hotels, hospitals, airports, and more. Not saying their shouldn't be a mention about licensed stores, but it's not just Target. BMetts 18:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starbucks in Greatland Targets 

message: I don't think we should keep this external link; it is poorly done, and is hardly "a part of a relevant and NPOV link collection". ✏ Sverdrup 00:44, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No indeed, it's just a chatroom.  Still, we don't cover the notable anti-starbucks movement well (I added a bit, but there's probably lots more), and there has to be a decent, well-argued site criticizing the company somewhere. -- John Fader 01:12, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Having an NPOV link collection doesn't mean that all our links have to be NPOV, simply that both sides should be represented. That said, if ihatestarbucks.com isn't notable or relevant, it should be removed. --205.206.139.41 18:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: IHateStarbucks.com

message: www.revbilly.com is the site of a New York City based activist group, headed by actor and activist Bill Talen, that has an on-going anti-Starbucks campaign and carries a lot of information regarding that movement and that point of view.  I am personally part of that group (a member of the choir) so feel a bit compromise about putting the site on wikipedia myself.  However it is a good site to represent one aspect of what Starbucks means.  What do others think?
:To whoever wrote the above: there's now an article on Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping, with a link to the group's website. The article mentions Starbucks as one of their primary targets, and indeed, Rev. Billy is probably one of the highest-profile anti-Starbucks activists around these days. (There's not much detail in that article now, I need to find more references, but basically his group goes into Starbucks shops, among other places, and preaches an anti-corporate message to whoever's there until the police remove them; there's been at least one restraining order against them.) So maybe the Starbucks article should at least mention them. In fact, I think the subject of criticisms of the company is currently presented in a scattered and confusing way here; there's quite a bit about labor disputes, and then a misleading section called "Globalization" that lumps together complaints about all sorts of subjects, not just globalization. One of the leading criticisms of Starbucks' business practices is that they deliberately drive out local businesses by opening more stores in one area than are really profitable (e.g. three stores at one intersection in New York), and that's not mentioned here at all - though I want to make sure it's documented before I add it. ←Hob 04:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website to represent distaste of Starbucks 

message: DreamGuy removed a link to a site which aims to provide searches for coffee shops that aren't Starbucks.  I think he was right to do so, as the site in question clearly isn't a relevant link for Starbucks.  Moreover, it seems its inclusion here was part of a Googlewhack attempt to bind its name with that of Starbucks (boingboing post).  We should have an exlink or two for the anti-starbucks movement, but neither this nor ihatestarbucks is really informative. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 17:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The D&#283;1ocàt0r link

message: I was in the Lithuanian National Museum this last summer, in Vilnius, and was flabbergasted to see the Starbucks logo on clay tiles, right next to the Lithuanian Vytis and the Polish eagle.  These were from the 15th/16th century, part of a large room furnace/heater that was dug up during renovations of the building next door. Anyone here aware of any on-line photos or sources for this bit of heraldry? I'm not sure of the connection, it may be a herald from Ruthenia or possibly Bavaria or Sweden ?? No, it was definitely not the Coat of Arms of Warsaw, which is a single-tailed mermaid. This was the original bare-chested, twin-tailed starbucks mermaid. linas 06:47, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Heraldry

message: I recently discovered that Hear Music, according to their website, started as a mail-order company before it partnered with Starbucks. While it's a Starbucks brand now, does this mean it could be made into a separate (more complete) article? --Hersch 22:05, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hear Music 

message: I added the guy who has been going around the world trying to take pictures of every Starbucks.  http://www.starbuckseverywhere.net/  Pretty interesting, I think.  Plus it's a great resource for anyone who wants to see what Starbucks around the world look like.--Tyugar 02:41, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Starbucks Everywhere

message: I remember last year they used Eye of the Tiger about some guy named Glen. Now they're using a song about a guy named Hank. Could someone please tell me the name of the song they use on my Talk page? Thanks, Redwolf24 06:43, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advertising 

message: Maybe we should add, with some restrictions, some examples of the more popular drinks (the difference between Latte and Cappuccino, for example). 
Also, a little more about how Starbucks work: the different working stations, the different "levels" of baristas (barista, shift, assistant manager, manager...).
I could add up more information, being a shift myself. how hard is it? and, if I do, can someone go over what I add? maybe someone with experience?
===Retail?===
Additionally, what about adding somethign about the retail aspect of Starbucks?  From rebranded espresso machines to tumblers to "bearistas" this is a sizable chunk of the brand.
===Whole-bean coffee===
Also, we could have more information about the different beans offered (AMJ, Breakfast, Italian Roast, etc.)
I do think something like this would be helpful and relevent, but the problem is Starbucks has so many rare and seasonal offerings that it is hard to keep up with what we do and don't have. There is a page on the Starbucks web site (Our Coffees that has information about most of the coffees. BMetts 18:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I'd like to see here an explanation of "starbucks esperanto" (double halfcaf venti whatnot).  Stuff about latte, cappuccino etc should be in the corresponding articles (or in some general coffee shop article).  I'm not sure we need any more info about the "levels" etc.  The reail and whole-bean stuff sounds interesting. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 17:18, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that something like this may be helpful, but I also feel like it is something that may be better off in its own article. I remember one time seeing an exhaustive website featuring information about all of Starbucks' drinks and how to order them, but I can't remember where it went. I am a barista myself, so I wouldn't mind helping on such an endeavor. BMetts 18:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  More info? 

message: Also, we could have more information about the different beans offered (AMJ, Breakfast, Italian Roast, etc.)
I do think something like this would be helpful and relevent, but the problem is Starbucks has so many rare and seasonal offerings that it is hard to keep up with what we do and don't have. There is a page on the Starbucks web site (Our Coffees that has information about most of the coffees. BMetts 18:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I'd like to see here an explanation of "starbucks esperanto" (double halfcaf venti whatnot).  Stuff about latte, cappuccino etc should be in the corresponding articles (or in some general coffee shop article).  I'm not sure we need any more info about the "levels" etc.  The reail and whole-bean stuff sounds interesting. -- Finlay McWalter |  Talk 17:18, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that something like this may be helpful, but I also feel like it is something that may be better off in its own article. I remember one time seeing an exhaustive website featuring information about all of Starbucks' drinks and how to order them, but I can't remember where it went. I am a barista myself, so I wouldn't mind helping on such an endeavor. BMetts 18:47, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Whole-bean coffee

message: This statement is pretty bold and should be backed up by some statistics:
Starbucks pays its producers some of the highest rates per pound in the world.
Is there anyone out there who can validate this?  If not, then I suggest it be removed.
Also, this statement is misleading because it implies that paying high rates to the producers will trickle down to the farmers who actually grow the beans.  Is this true?  I think it should be clarified.
--Andrew Eisenberg 19:21, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation requested 

message: I heard somewhere (I don't remember where) that Starbucks was going to start putting up drive-throughs? Anyone know about this, and if it's true, add it to the article?
Starbucks has had drive-through stores for several years (I work in one). Just another tactic to make it easier for customers to get their fix, not something I really see as that noteworthy. BMetts 18:36, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drive through 

message: Since there is a section about The Way I See It promotion, perhaps it would be acceptable to make a minor mention of cup #43 (Armstead Maupin's quote about being gay), and the outrage it drew from ultra-conversative groups? BMetts 18:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I started that section, fine by me. :) However, you changed the whole section to be all about the controversy... it might have been better to have just added it, like you said above. -- NatsukiGirl\talk 07:39, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Way I See It 

message: Starbucks in Israel
Starbucks' failure in Israel (as well as its popularity in the Arab world) given the company's owner, Howard Shultz's record of support for pro-Israeli organizations led to Starbucks being the subject of anti-settlement protests in London when thirty demonstrators dressed as badgers held a sit in at the company's Oxford Street store.
It seems to be implying two opposite ideas or perhaps it is just sarcasm?
:I wonder. I probably should just have chopped it out altogether when I created the controversies section, but I was hoping someone would expand and correct it. (Likewise, the labor issues section is too long and contains minor incidents). The fact that Starbucks pulled out of Israel should probably be mentioned, though, simply because it was about the only market where they weren't initially succesful. So I'll take it out now. ProhibitOnions 10:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The way the article read a few days ago bared little resemblence to what I wrote when I initially created the section. I had been without internet for the last several months and I returned to find the entire section re-written with (in my opinion) blatent POV, despite it being rooted in fact (I have no idea, I hadn't heard of any demonstrations).  I think the information should be included, due to the unique situation and that another American coffee chain (The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf) has experienced success in the country and is currently in a period of growth. --Hersch 13:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is this paragraph meant to convey? 

message: "Socializing"?  Unless people come in already knowing one another, I never observe people at Starbucks socializing.  Rather, most are in their own worlds studying or using their laptop.  There has, in fact, been a television commercial parodizing this lack of convival atmosphere in large chain coffee shops like Starbucks.
:I concur in your criticism; the statement is ridiculously false.  Whomever put that in has obviously never visited a Starbucks in the U.S.--Coolcaesar 01:24, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I edited the main page to remove the statement about socializing.  It still says that Starbucks is popular among students and Yuppies. --Maande10 06:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll leave the statement alone, but will note here that Starbucks locations may vary at least regionally.  We have a patio outside of the first standalone location in Arkansas, which gets fairly regular groups of friends from spring through late fall catching up with each other in conversations over coffee, tea, lemonade, and whatever else one can find there.  Also, though it hasn't come to our local locations yet, Starbucks has been known to publicize business networking events at some locations via its website and in-store publicity. Granted, that's not a lot of "socializing", but it's something. — ArkansasTraveler 18:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "with a reputation in the US as a center for socializing" 

message: Is there any sense in having separate articles for slightly different Starbucks variants in different countries? Rather than lots of new stubs, I'd suggest this article should cover the notoriously global operation in all countries. --Whouk (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That certainly makes sense. Palmiro | Talk 15:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree. Cmprince 23:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Could not agree more strongly. — ArkansasTraveler 18:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I strongly agree as well. BMetts 18:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree strongly also. Figaro 22:15, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I couldn't agree more. Duff 12:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I also agree. Iolakana|(talk) 18:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starbucks Australia 

message: One editor has expressed the belief that the location currently operating at Pike Place Market is not the original Starbucks location, despite widespread belief to the contrary; please see the discussion at Talk:Seattle%2C_Washington#First_Starbucks_location:_contradictory.  Postdlf 23:40, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about the original location