Talk:MV Goya

message: [http://www.wracktauchen-ostsee.de/Goya.htm Expedition GOYA on 12 until 22 A
pril 2003 with the MS Fritz Reuter and a MDR-Team]
::Done - if somewhat blindly -- Solipsist 22:06, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How do you reference an image in an interwiki? There is a historical photograph at , although without attribution. -- Solipsist 22:16, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to download to your machine and upload to here, sorry. That's why people want to have a special "wikicommons" that is accessible to all languages. Stan 01:54, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weblinks 

message: You wrote "Italics are OK, but ship names are usually preceded by the definite article". Often, yes, but not usually. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#"The" before the ship's name for discussion.
The frequency of "the" depends on the ship. For example, on Google I get about 2:1 for "Bismarck" : "the Bismarck" and about 14:1 for "Hood" : "the Hood" (when searching with suitable extra terms to rule out false positives). But on the other hand the ratio is about 2.5:1 for "the Titanic" : "Titanic" and 12:1 for "the Mary Rose" : "Mary Rose". It seems that the more famous a ship is, the more likely it is to acquire the definite article.
In the particular case of Goya, I get about 2:1 for "Goya" : "the Goya" so I'm not sure your change was justified. Gdr 02:22, 2004 Dec 30 (UTC)
:There's a WikiProject for Ships? I shouldn't be surprised. In any case the discussion there on the use of the definite article looks good, but inconclusive. If it wasn't for the Hood (which personally I would still call The Hood), I would suspect that this is an UK - US language issue, although not one I would have known about. To me the most accurate comment in the disucssion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#"The" before the ship's name is User:Stan's information on the 3 categories for use of the definite article, with ships, planes [and trains] in the "typically use 'the'" category. There is also an element of dropping the definite article when you are anthropomorphizing the ship - this is perhaps particularly the case when you are talking about the movement of ships in a naval engagements, 'Hood opened fire at 12:03...', but not when you are talking about people in relation to a ship, 'Passengers on the Titanic were unaware...' (actually most of the RMS Titanic article reads badly to me, now that someone has gone through and removed the definite articles). 
:Ordinarily I wouldn't care too much, but in this case it needs to be 'The Goya'. I'm not sure what internet searches you have been trying, but the German articles I used as the source here, use 'Die Goya'. More particularly the opening phrase
::Goya was a German refugee ship...
:would be wrong - Goya, was a Spanish painter. -- Solipsist 07:22, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Goya' or 'The Goya' 

message: From what I can see, the recent update to the numbers on the passenger list and the number of people saved, comes from the German version of this article. However, it introduces a mild discrepancy with the earlier sentence
:with the loss of at least 7,000 people drowned
presumably that figure should be dropped to 6,000, or perhaps 5,900. -- Solipsist 12:42, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: slight dicrepancy

message: What are the longitude/latitude coordinates for the wreck site? --Ragemanchoo (talk) 12:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Wreck site?

message: "Within moments, the ship broke in two and while fire consumed the upper portions of the Goya, it sank in less than four minutes, drowning thousands in their sleep,[1]"
Dubious. Unlikely they were asleep after two catastrophic torpedo hits. Reword?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.217.214.194 (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drowned in their sleep?