Talk:The Lady Is a Tramp

message: I'm sorry, I'm still confused, and the ½ sentence explanation didn't help much.  I need a more explicit explanation.  To many people, the word 'tramp' means prostitute.  That seems like a really odd thing to call a lady.  I know back in the day the word also (?) meant something like 'hobo.'  The song still doesn't make sense to me like this.  Can someone please clarify this?  Maybe it's because I like to eat dinner at 8pm, unlike older generations which it seems favor 5pm.  I don't know.  Nessie (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The comments here say the character in the song isn't calling herself a tramp; rather, others call her that because they are either jealous or disapproving of her disregard for the conventions of high society. --Lph (talk) 16:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Back in the day? In the UK, "tramp" has always first and foremost meant something like hobo or vagrant, and still does. The other meaning is known, but less used. I just mention this to reinforce that, even if the meaning in the US has shifted with time, it's entirely possible that when the song was written, the meaning was much clearer. – Kieran T (talk) 16:15, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of "Tramp" 

message: There's this section in the article:
This song is a sophisticated and witty spoof of New York high society and its strict etiquette (the first line of the verse is significant: "I get too hungry for dinner at eight..."). It has become a classic song in the pop standards/vocal genre.
"Sophisticated and witty"? Isn't that subjective? And it being a "classic" is unsourced too. Photon man62 (talk) 13:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not Neutral 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :The Lady Is a Tramp's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "jap":
From The Fame Monster: 
From You and I (Lady Gaga song): 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:The Lady Is a Tramp]] 

message: If all changes about the Bennett/Gaga version being a single are being reverted, then why does the content in fact state that it is? In the very first sentence of the section - even a date is given? Surely that is inconsistent. 333cale (talk) 05:02, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed the line. There is no reliable source calling this a single. Even Gaga, who goes out of her way talking about her single releases, has never talked about it as a "release". Neither has Tony or their labels. Pure WP:CRYSTAL going on here. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also Lescharts and Hung Medien confirm that the release was indeed promotional and not a single. Case closed. — Legolas (talk2me) 10:46, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Single or not? 

message: I removed a number of random examples of people who covered this song -- it's only notable if they did something special with the song to distinguish from the 1000s of other variations. Changing the lyrics to fit the performance is not at all unique (performers do that all the time). It might be more interesting to list the number of covers listed at the iTunes store, a popular song database, or how many times it has appear in film. 
For the same reason, I think the entire section about Bennett/Gaga's version should be moved: that has more to do with Bennett, Gaga, and Bennett's duet series; it has little to do with the song. (Most of the current text is about Gaga's fame, her theatricality, and so on.) I think it's interesting material, but it doesn't belong here, especially as it occupies over twice the real estate of the rest of the article. 75.37.16.239 (talk) 00:11, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely correct... you'd think the Bennett/Gaga version was the "original" from the amount of weight given to it.  It shouldn't be the bulk of the article on the song. Drosboro (talk) 01:06, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  By definition, a "standard" is sung by all sorts of people 

message: I have nothing against Tonny Bennet and Lady Gaga, but I feel the part about them in this article is much too long. This song had been recorded by many, many musicians, why give them so much space? Udi Raz (talk) 12:34, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Judging from the article, you'd think that Lady Gaga wrote the song, instead of covering it ~70 years later. Perhaps that whole section should be given it's own article, or trimmed down and put into the Lady Gaga page, and replaced here with a list of people who have previously performed the track.--86.20.224.241 (talk) 10:39, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

text: Agreed that the Bennett/Gaga section is too long. Is 11 years enough time to trim it? I'll try and hope it sticks. Sandylouise (talk) 04:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Heartbreakingly, there's probably been more written about the Bennett/Gaga version than the 15-20 recorded versions by Frank and Ella. The weight given does seem excessive, but tis cited, so heigh-ho :( Gareth E Kegg (talk) 12:09, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Great. Anyone can edit this page, you know... ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 21:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

text: I removed all the extra Bennett/Gaga text but IndianBio reverted my change. By doing so, according to my understanding, IndianBio risks breaking various rules about guarding changes and starting edit wars and so on. There is no good argument for keeping all that material in. The Bennett/Gaga version just needs to be mentioned like the other versions. Of course there could be a separate article entirely about their estimable version of the song! This article could link to it! Dratman (talk) 06:38, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:SONGCOVER. Just because the actual version does not expand and create a concrete article, does not mean we will remove sourced content from the Bennett/Gaga version. And dno't give me lecture on rules and guidelines when per WP:BRD you should have discussed all the changes and then proceeded. —IB [ Poke ] 04:35, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bennet and Gaga