Talk:Korea/Archive 2

message: We should discuss about it in that article. Objectman 09:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, Objectman. (Wikimachine 05:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why do we argue here? There is an other article about Annexation of Korea-Japan. We should not argue here about Annexation of Korea-Japan. 

message: trying to put an end to the long dynasty silliness:
*longest-lived dynasty in East Asian history  
*perhaps the longest-lived actively ruling dynasty in East Asia 
*one of the longest periods of domination by a single dynasty in world history 
*one of the world's longest continuously ruling royal families  
Appleby 00:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  longest dynasty 

message: I find the images for this article severely lacking. Can anyone get another image of Korea to avoid repeating the same one from the Korean Peninsula article? Also, the other images appear really old, especially the one with the hanbok.
:I've noticed someone putting up some great new images. The one of the Buddhist scroll is really nice. But can we please get something to replace the hanbok one. In my opinion, it looks ugly. I've seen much prettier hanbok in Korea.--Sir Edgar 00:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for getting those images. But how can you tell which are safe to use? Also, do you think you could find one to replace the map? This is the same one used for the Korean Peninsula article. It doesn't need to be another map. For example, the China article uses a beautiful picture of the Great Wall at sunrise as a symbolic image for the country. Perhaps Gyeongbokgung or an image from Gyeongju? Also, we should include modern images in this article, too, like one of downtown Seoul.--Sir Edgar 00:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Great! The Yeoido pictures would be most excellent. Maybe you could also take some pictures of Korean traditions like taekwondo and perhaps even performances of gayageum and the fan dance, if possible. We also need better pictures of the hanbok.--Sir Edgar 23:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Does anyone know how to remove this?
‹ The template below has been proposed for deletion. See templates for deletion to help reach a consensus on what to do. ›
--Sir Edgar 23:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's attached to the Special Characters template.  You'd either have to remove the template, or remove the deletion template from the special character template.  --Hong Qi Gong 01:01, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed for deletion? 

message: User:Visviva has worked hard to create a brand new Portal:Korea. Please take a look & contribute if you can. I think the new Template:Korea topics has the potential to be a more useful reference tool than categories or lists, if editors continue to expand and update it. It's also a good reminder for help & requests on ye olde notice board. Hopefully, this will help revive some activity all around. Appleby 21:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: cool idea Thetruthbelow(talk) 04:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new [[Portal:Korea]] 

message: Hello, I read your writing on the sports section of this article. As a sports history enthusiast who has taken classes with two different professors whom are sports historians, one issue pertaining to Korea and sports history is the unfortunate event where the popular and well known boxing figure, Roy Jones Jr. , lost his medal at the Olympics in South Korea during the Olympics. I hear this all the time in sports classes when the topic of modern amateur olympic pugilism and professional boxing within the US. I just was surprised to not see this in your article when it is so well known amongst sports historians. I am referring to when Roy Jones Jr was cheated out of his medal in the Olympics in South Korea, and then later South Korean judges admitted to being bribed in favor of a South Korean pugilist. Not only is it still spoken of in sports history classes, it is also spoken of in the sports of boxing where I am a participant and in both records made by Roy Jones Jr. (Round One, and Body Head Bangers). I can list sources for this if you need, if not, hopefully you can explain to me why this isnt listed in this article? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.117.147 (talk • contribs) 
:Both the article Roy Jones Jr. and the article 1988 Summer Olympics mention the boxing controversy in some detail, and the page for the 1988 summer Olumpics is linked to in the sports section of the article, so I really don't see what benefit would be gained by including a mention of this particular subject.  After all, I haven't seen any other Olympic judging scandals mentioned in the 'sports' sections of other country articles.  --Zonath 01:24, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, it certainly is significant, but not necessarily so much so as to be included in the page for 'Korea', seeing as if we were to include every sports scandal (or even just the Olympic judging scandals) on region pages like this one, it would inflate the size of the articles quite a lot.  As for similar incidents...  Just about every Olympic games generates some sort of controversy, especially in sports that are won or lost on the decisions of a judge rather than some more objective criteria (such as figure skating, gymnastics, boxing, etc...)  Even if you're just looking for ones in which South Korea was involved, you could look up Paul Hamm, Apolo Anton Ohno, or even the 2002 FIFA World Cup.  International sporting events breed controversy and accusations of unfair play, and it makes little sense to single out any particular event for inclusion on a page that doesn't even really represent the country that actually participated in the controversial event, much less the country page itself.  --Zonath 05:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, first of all, the purpose of this article isn't really to 'attract attention' or sensationalize things, but rather to inform people.  Yes, most Olympic sports involve judges and referees in one sense or another, but in many sports, the impact of the judges are much less obvious than in ones where the decisions of the judges determine the winner and the loser.  So, a sport like the marathon typically has far less controversy associated with it than something like boxing or figure skating.  As for my last statement...  The sports section of this page isn't really meant to be representative of South Korean sports, as those are more thoroughly discussed in the South Korea and the Sports in South Korea pages, where the main emphasis of the sports section on this page seems to be more upon the cooperative measures between the countries of North Korea and South Korea.  If we're really going to mention Roy Jones, Jr. in a country article, then we should do so in the South Korea article, seeing as it seems more pertinent to place it there.  This is not a page on a country (or at least, not a page on a country that exists anymore, or which existed at the time of the 1988 summer olympics), and it would probably be a miscategorization to put a scandal involving just South Korea here.  Additionally, I would question whether or not mention of a single incident like this would really deserve mention on a country page (which is really meant more as an overview) rather than on a more specialized page.  After all, several historical facts of much greater importance than a mere boxing match have been either glossed over or even omitted for considerations of space, if for nothing else.  Personally, I think it would be more appropriate to limit any explicit mention of this particular controversy to the page Sports in South Korea, seeing as that is the more specialized article (and could use a bit more 'meat' as it were, anyhow.)  --Zonath 22:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cultural importance 

message: LOL i strongly disagree with sir edgar because why should the north be mentioned before south? WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO PRAISE THE COMMUNISTS? Im sorry but i maybe korean and i want Korea to be unified again, but worship the communist?!?? NEVER! the seperation of Korea is mostly Joseph Stalin's fault. He was occupying the northern part of Korea and turned it into a communist country. This is why i dont like Chinese, japanese or Russians because THEY INTERFERE TOO MUCH IN KOREA! I mean look in the 1800's when Germany and France wanted to convert Korea into christianity and trade and stuff the Koreans wouldnt allow it. BECAUSE IT WAS A INTEREFERENCE WITH A COUNTRY'S AFFAIRS AN INTERVENTION!! Then the U.S. naval force came and tried to show a display of power to let Korea to open up its ports and trade. But when the Koreans fired cannons at the U.S. naval ships the U.S> naval ships blew up a fortress and the Koreans gave them a note "We do not want to deal with you or the rest of the world! We are content as we are" So guys if you don't know anything about Korea or stuff please just lay off your keyboard and get your mouse cursour somewhere else!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by KoreanHistorist (talk • contribs) .
:As a Japanese American, I am not offended by you hating Japanese or any other ethnic group. In facts I see more honesty in your remark than many other writers of Wikipedia. Kudos. Also I am in agreement with you over Sir Edgar, good job ! Please continue to contribute to Wikipedia otherwise you will not be a significant person to respect and understand. I am not biased and agree that Japan does interfere too much in Korea's business as well as other coutries. I reiterate, I support you regardless of my national affiliations because what you are saying is honest and contains truth. Both Japan and the US have ambitions in Korea and you find both nations trying so hard to play or brainwash the Koreans into hating their opposition. As a fellow asian, I would hope and pray that the actions of imperialism on the part of Japan which resulted in the allowance of influences which seperated, partitioned, or balkanized Korea are someday reversed. Japan has equal fault and understandably more in some eyes because of their imperial ambitions for the condition of Korea now. An apology by the Japanese I feel is an insult to Koreans for what Japan has allowed. Centuries might be the accurate period necessary for Koreans to forgive and one day enjoy a fruitful relationship.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.32.117.147 (talk • contribs) .
::First of all, you two need to sign your comments. Second, initially I put North first, then South. But I have since been editing to put South first, then North. Third, please focus on improving the article and not opinionated rants that make no difference in the process of improving the article. Thank you.--Sir Edgar 23:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT THE HECK LAY OFF KOREA GUYS!! LOL 

message: How come there is no mention of U.S. sanctions against North Korea? It only states that the NK is isolationist, even under times of famine. As with the case of Cuba (which has a trade embargo), the U.S. is disallowing trade with itself and allies. Anarkial 14:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not post the above comment. In fact, there are numerous comments that have been attributed to me that were not posted by me. I always sign my comments.--Sir Edgar 02:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Are you saying that the sanctions are not actually in place? Anarkial 23:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Sanctions 

message: I edited the page so that the intro says that South Korea is a former dictatorship, but somebody reverted it. I don't want to start a revert war, but the info I added is correct. 69.218.224.114 22:58, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stories like that are pretty common for dictators (and other leaders as well).  You can find very similar anecdotes about Stalin or Kim Il Sung. --Reuben 01:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reuben makes a good point. --AnarkialTalk 22:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The intro ... 

message: B/c the section is too long, I made a new section so that we don't have to scroll every time.
Objectman, what do you mean by history of lies. You seriously don't know anything about Japanese occupation. I'll refute every one of your examples of Japanese kindness (ha).
*Please explain what you mean by barbarous Korean punishment stopped. 
:As far as I remember, Koreans were pretty civilized people.
:If you are talking about the torture system, remember the Japanese torture of plunging one's head into the water constantly, electrifying, and plain torturing with molten iron.
:If you think the three mentioned above didn't happen, I shouldn't even discuss this with you, you should research more yourself. No wonder you thought Korean history was full of lies.
*Most Koreans were against modernization, and being modernized is all based on perspective because there are good sides and bad sides to modernization. The bad side might be that Koreans would have less material possession & less luxurious life, but the good side would be the avoidance of destruction of natural habitats, etc. Furthermore, Japanese attempted to westernize Koreans in order to destroy Koreans' culture. This would wipe out the Korean people and assimilate them into the Japanese, westernized empire, and there would be no more revolt & Koreans would be little obedient people. One example of westernization was Japanese request to the Korean emperor (actually king) to enforce cutting of one's hair (it was Korean custom -Japanese as well- to not cut one's hair).
*Like I said, school was segregated, and Koreans weren't taught the same subjects as Japanese. Furthermore, did you know that Japanese teachers had swords? Pretty humane beings. (this policy was later gone, as far as I remember).
*Please describe in detail what you mean by Japan reclaim new farmland. You can reclaim previously lost lands that are wasted through overuse, but you can't reclaim new land.
*On the subject of farmland, I think I mentioned already perhaps in another discussion page that Japanese gov made a new rule to force all land holders to register their land to the gov. Many Koreans in the countryside who didn't get this news lost their land because they didn't register their land. And then these were redistributed among the Japanese. Also, Korean farmers suffered from overtaxation and YES forced low price offers of Korean rice (pretty smart move there by Japanese historians, to make use of this to say that Japanese rice couldn't sell!), and they were forced to move to the cities and seek jobs. And that's exactly what it was. If Japanese didn't reap the Koreans of their farmland, when farming was the main occupation, Koreans would never have been forced to seek jobs in the cities.
(Wikimachine 01:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For example, there was a town SUSPECTED of helping the Independence Army, and the Japanese army recruited all Koreans in the village into a church. And then, they locked the church & began to shoot away. A wounded Korean woman implored the soldiers to spare her baby, and the Japanese soldier stabbed the baby and shot the woman. Got it? Source: pg. 129-131 Noon-eu-ro Bo-nen Han-gook Yauk-sa #13 Minjok Soonangi I by Jang Pyung Soon. (C) 1998 Joong-ang Gyo-yoook Yaun-goo-won., Ltd. Printed in Korea.
Pretty humane there? The Holocaust or the Korean War does not justify Japanese cruelty. That is a fatuous, idiosyncratic, and fallacious logic -same thing as any sin being justified by that of another.
(Wikimachine 01:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Mr/s. 220.150.117.118, you seem very sure of yourself. You portray yourself as knowing everything, and if not supposed "national secrets" (as said by you) then at least secret to the general public. How do you know this? Why hasn't the news leaked already? --Anarkial 23:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who are you addressing? Me? News? Please clarify. (Wikimachine 23:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: No, I'm addressing the one with the signed IP from the first topic. Hiis/her comments were signed with an IP, ie.220.150.117.118. --Anarkial 04:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha there were thousands of Japanese crimes to Koreans during Korea's annexation. We could go on forever. First of all, some Japanese users need to change their attitude toward Korea. Good friend100 01:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anarkial cool down. All of which our unknown friend has said is true, except that he missed one fact, which was that the Japanese burned the building before shooting, so the people could not escape. It happens to be true that nobody except Koreans and probably Japan only knows about this famous incident. I'll bet that you don't learn about Korean history, at least touch it, in school. But there are a lot of massacres that have occured in the past, in Europe and Vietnam. Things like that happen when a stronger country colonizes a weaker one and war breaks out. Don't act like the person who has written the above is wrong. Oyo321 18:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Annexation of Korea by Japan 2 

message: The intro to the article currently says "By the late 19th century, the country became the object of colonial designs by the imperial aggressors of Asia and Europe." Isn't the term "aggressor" a bit pov? It gives a moral opinion of the actions of those nations in Korea, which I think is not up to wikipedia. Aecis Appleknocker Flophouse 09:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think "aggressor" is POV. In fact, I think aggressor is more accurate. Also, the imperial aggresors should be named "China, Japan, and Russia" rather than "Asia and Europe". "Asia and Europe" sound too broad. Good friend100 15:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree Oyo321 23:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pov in intro? 

message: Could someone explain the steps to reference something? I really need the help. Thanks. Good friend100 22:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: GF:  I think its < ref > "quote" < / ref > and at the end of the article make a = = reference = = section and add          < references / >.  If you hit edit at Asuka period there is a good example you can look at and its more complex.  (ignore the spaces) Tortfeasor 23:22, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how do i reference a book and internet source? 

message: What the heck is wrong with the Korea article???????
I just put in a reference and it just cut off the entire Korean article by half.
?????
Could someone make the Korea article back to its original form? thank you Good friend100 22:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what the **** 

message: A 218.218.135.36 has deleted information about comfort women claiming they were POV.
Yes, they are quite a bit POV, but to that user, the point is, NPOV policy on Wikipedia isn't going to hide Japanese war crimes. You could write "Thousands of Korean women were forced to work for the Japanese" but that is not going to hide your stained history of WWII.
"NPOV NPOV NPOV" That is what I hear all the time, just as an excuse to delete information regarding Korea, Baekje, or Japanese war crimes on Korean articles. 
This isn't funny anymore and its going to become nasty at this rate. Good friend100 19:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. Unit 731 really did use humans as experiments but I think they mainly experimented on captured Chinese. Good friend100 19:38, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, fine with me. There is indeed quite a long article on the History of Korea. 
Just a suggestion but maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to use the history article as the "backbone" of the contributions, which can then be re-distributed and merged into the more specific articles. I agree with the "overview" character of this article, which should be kept concise.
The culture section seems very... lightweight.. no subsection on literature.. which is surprising.
Shogo Kawada 13:00, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  218.218.135.36