Talk:Christian liturgy

message: Someone really needs to edit this entry. I may do so if I can find the time. It simply displays incredible Roman Catholic bias. It is like writing a history of Judaism from the perspective of Orthodox Jews only. Has the writer ever entertained one single thought that the church in which he was raised (or converted to) is other than the True Church? It's just not acceptable as a general reference. Readers be forewarned.
:I'm not Roman Catholic, and I don't see it - it looks to me like a fair sampling of RC, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican, and few others that have strongly liturgical traditions.  And you refer to "the writer" when it has more than one.  But why don't you try contributing instead of just grousing?    Carlo 18:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Someone really need to edit this entry." Sadly, in the WikiUniverse, the only "Someone" there is, is you.  --Sean Lotz 05:41, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I suppose the only bias I noted was in the list of names used by Anglicans for Communion toward the more Anglo-Catholic & ritualist side of the Church of England, hence my adding the two names found in the Book of Common Prayer & a link to the Churchmanship article to explain that the names are variable within the CofE. By the way, while describing the edit I accidentally hit send before I could finish my description; sorry about that. Nusrich 06 (talk) 13:18, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias 

message: Whatever one might think of the Catholic Encyclopedia external link, it is limited by having been published in 1908, and so has no concept of developments in the last century, including Vatican II and the major changes within the Roman Catholic Church. Hence, I would like to submit an external link Liturgy website. This is a contemporary liturgical website which includes Celebrating Eucharist, as far as I know the only online "ceremonial guide" - a contemporary explanation and guide with theory and practice for the Eucharist and other liturgies in Anglican, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, and other denominations. --Alcuinz 05:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been no disagreement with my comment above after more than a week, I am placing the site as an external link. --Alcuinz 05:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Submit external website 

message: Is this taken primarily from the Catholic Encyclopedia?  The whole tone is decidedly POV/Roman. --Midnite Critic 12:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Dogmatic Value" section 

message: There is a strong POV on this article, toward the Roman Catholic direction (references to priest, canon law, etc, taken as normative and assumed; the patterns of worship used in many Protestant churches summarily dismissed).  Pastordavid 10:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then, as the person said, correct it.  Carlo 01:07, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree about the POV comments and would suggest that the history section (Labeled History of the Roman Catholic Mass (Liturgy)) be made into History of the Liturgy. This history is MY history as well and I am not RC.  Again (as I have commented multiple times), why do we focus on our differences before we focus on our commonalities?  I would suggest STARTING with the history, as well.  I like chronological order.  Reverend Mommy 13:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, yeah.  Dearest Midnite Critic, I volunteer to help edit.  I excel at adding my two cents worth.  =o)  Reverend Mommy 13:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: I suggest we use a structure like this (No more than a sentence or two for each -- each actually could use their own article, IMHO, but I'm a Liturgy Geek):
*History of the Liturgy
**From Jewish to Christian Rite
***The Chaborah Meal
***The Passover Meal
**The Institution Narrative
***1 Corinthians 11
***Synoptics
***John
**Justin the Martyr stuff
**Irenaeus stuff
**Anaphora of Hippolytus
***The Patristic Approach to the Eucharistic Sacrifice
**Ambrose and Augustine
**Anaphora of Addai and Mari
**Liturgy of St. James
***Mozarabic and Gallican Rite
***The compromises leading to the Western Rite 
**The Berengarian Controversy and Medieval Eucharistic Theologies
**Aquinas
**Reformation
**Modern Developments
Then look at the structure and commonalities:
Service of the Word
*The Invocation or "Call to worship"
**Introit, Psalms, Hymns, spiritual songs. 
*Salutation
*Collect
*Confession
**Absolution
*Kyrie & Gloria
*Liturgical Readings (call and response)
*Alleluia Verse and other responses
*Scripture readings, culminating in a reading from one of the Gospels.
*Offering
(The offering is sometimes called the Lesser Oblation and constitutes a "Bridge" between the Service of the Word and the Service of the Table
Service of the Table
*The Creed
*The Prayers
*The Lord's Prayer
*The Anaphora
**sursum corda
**Sanctus
**oblation
**anemnesis
**Verba
**Epiclesis
*Commemoration of the Saints and prayers for the faithful departed.
*Intercessory prayers for the church and its leadership, and often, for earthly rulers.
*Incense
This is messy, but I did it all from memory.  Let me know what you think.  Reverend Mommy 14:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions in Reworking Article

message: This feels like a start class article due to a surplus of list content and a shortage of prose content.  It is definitely a good beginning, but readers would be better served with more prose.  GRBerry 18:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comments

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I propose that Church service be merged into Christian liturgy. I think that the content in the Church service article can easily be explained in the context of Christian liturgy, and the Christian liturgy article is of a reasonable size that the merging of Church service will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned. Shmurak (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Support - The Chruch service article is poorly cited - Epinoia (talk) 16:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

text: Do not see the point of two separate articles. --145.15.244.24 (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: Are these in any way affected? Maybe this should be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.228.189 (talk) 03:17, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Votive Holders/Candles/Lamps 

message: There is a list of rites within this article that is slowly becoming instead a list of liturgies. If we listed all the liturgies possible in the Roman Rite it would be a very long and exhaustive list (Solemn Mass, Low Mass, Votive Mass, Nuptial Mass, Rite of Baptism...) I think that we should stick to a high-level list of Rites only and not get into the weeds of individual liturgies within those Rites. There are plenty of Rites and those are the defining characteristics of different Churches. Elizium23 (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of liturgies, or list of rites? 

message: A number of redirects point to this article because of the list it contains, but many of them (eg. Christian liturgical rites) could equally point to Ritual family instead. While the list could be moved to that article, it would make more sense to split it and allow Christian liturgy and Ritual family to focus on the prose text which should constitute the bulk of the articles. Separating the list would also help to make it clearer as to what the best target for particular redirects is. – Scyrme (talk) 18:09, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split the list off into its own article