Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War/Archive 7

message: :Since the end of 19th century Palestine has seen a growing immigration of Jews coming from the whole world and gathered in Zionist movement. These militate for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. Movement justifies its claims notably with the Balfour Declaration but majority Palestinian society doesn’t appreciate that massive arrival of immigrants.
:In 1922 League of Nations gives British a mandate over Palestine (current Israel, occupied Palestine and Jordan).
:As of the end of twenties Palestine sees an important immigration of Jews fleeing persecution in Europe. Numerous conflits arise between Jews and Arabs. Among them riots of 1929 that made 133 deaths of the jewish side and 116 on the arab side and the Great Uprising of 1936-39 that will show the deaths of more than 5000 Arabs and 400 Jews and by the adoption of the White Paper that will limit drastically jewish immigration to Palestine.
:In 1945, there are 600,000 Jewish for 1,200,000 Arabs in Palestine while in Europe 250,000 Jews who escaped Holocaust are waiting in the camps.
:In 1947, unable to find a solution to troubles in the country British announce their will to abandon their mandate on Palestine (current Israel and occupied Palestine - Hachemite Kingdom of Jordan being meanwhile created west of Jordan River).
:UNO entrusts special commission UNSCOP the study of the matter and on 29 november 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approves a plan which partitions Palestine into two states : one Jewish and one Arab. Each state would be composed of three major sections, linked by extraterritorial crossroads, plus an Arab enclave at Jaffa. The Greater Jerusalem area would fall under international control. Both Jews and Arabs criticize aspects of the plan. However, the Jewish population and most of their leaders largely welcome the plan, while the Arab leadership rejects it.
:Alithien  17:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  first proposal 

message: - I don't know how to deal simply the fact that Palestine "evoluated" during the British mandate. I don't think they are precise unambiguous and simple way of naming the territories where these events took place.
- Much information is not there but I think main points needed for a background are present and not biaised and all important doors to be open are there for a reader interested to go deeper in the topic.
- I started sooner than Brian suggested but I think these events are important to fix the background.
- I didn't develop Great Uprising and WWII because I think this is not pertinent to do so for a background. Again I underline I understand and agree with Ian's comments that they are important and relevent due to consequences they had on the weakening (destruction ?) of the palestinian political tissue and on the training and development of Zionist forces but I think that this would deserve 2 seperate paragraphs treating these aspects. For the second one all the aspects of the creation of these forces should be treated.
- I don't mention Mufti who deserves a place in the story of that war but not in the background and I think : whether in a separate article or in a paragraph introducing *all* the "great" political protagonists of these events.
Alithien  13:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (1) 

message: - League of Nations gives Mandate to British in April and these latter created Hachemite Kingdom in September. I think that we can remove the information concerning the partition of the Mandate in an article concerning this for clarity.
Alithien  11:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (2) 

message: (...)
:In 1922 League of Nations gives British a mandate over territories known as British Mandate on Palestine.
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:In 1947, unable to find a solution to troubles in the country British announce their will to abandon their mandate on Palestine.
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Alithien 11:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  second proposal 

message: :Since the end of 19th century Palestine saw an immigration of Jews from the diaspora gathered in Zionist movement. They considered their ancestral homeland was the place where Jewish nation could self determinate and protect itself from antisemitism. Arab Palestinians who were in a majority in Palestine nevertheless didn't accept that growing immigration and resisted to it.
:In 1917, Balfour Declaration stated that British Government supported Zionist plans for a Jewish "national home" in Palestine. The same year they took control of it following the capture of Jerusalem by Gen. Allenby and later the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in World War I.
:In April 1922 (to be checked), League of Nations gave British a mandate over Palestine and in september (to be checked) British founded the Hachemite Kingdom of Transjordan on the territories at the East of the Jordan river.
:As of the end of twenties Palestine saw an important immigration of Jews fleeing persecution in Europe. Numerous conflits bursted between Jews and Arabs. Among them riots of 1929 that made 133 deaths of the Jewish side and 116 on the Arab side and the Great Uprising of 1936-39 that showed the deaths of more than 5000 Arabs and 400 Jews.
:This lead to the adoption of the White Paper that abandoned the idea of partitioning the British Mandate of Palestine in favour of an independant Palestine governed by Arabs and Jews and that limited drastically Jewish immigration to Palestine.
:In 1945, there were 600,000 Jews for 1,200,000 Arabs in Palestine while in Europe 250,000 Jews who had escaped Holocaust were waiting in the camps.
:In 1947, unable to find a solution to troubles in the country British announced their will to abandon their mandate on Palestine.
:UN entrusted special commission UNSCOP the study of the matter and on 29 november 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved a plan which partitioned Palestine into two states : one Jewish and one Arab. The Greater Jerusalem area would fall under international control. Both Jews and Arabs criticized aspects of the plan. However, the Jewish population and their leaders largely welcomed the plan while the Arabs rejected it.
Alithien  11:35, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  3rd proposal 

message: ===== NPOV =====
- Is this NPOV ? Alithien 11:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comments on 3rd proposal 

message: - Is this NPOV ? Alithien 11:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: - I am looking for a NPOV statement to add at the end of the 4th paragraph  to summarize in a few words the revelent consequences of the uprising (other than the White Paper) Alithien  11:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  revelant information 

message: Declaration of Israel's Independence 1948
Issued at Tel Aviv on May 14, 1948 (5th of Iyar, 5708)
ERETZ-ISRAEL [(Hebrew) - The Land of Israel] was the birthplace of the Jewish people. Here their spiritual, religious and political identity was shaped. Here they first attained to statehood, created cultural values of national and universal significance and gave to the world the eternal Book of Books.
After being forcibly exiled from their land, the people remained faithful to it throughout their Dispersion and never ceased to pray and hope for their return to it and for the restoration in it of their political freedom.
Impelled by this historic and traditional attachment, Jews strove in every successive generation to re-establish themselves in their ancient homeland. In recent decades they returned in their masses. Pioneers, ma'pilim [(Hebrew) - immigrants coming to Eretz-Israel in defiance of restrictive legislation] and defenders, they made deserts bloom, revived the Hebrew language, built villages and towns, and created a thriving community controlling its own economy and culture, loving peace but knowing how to defend itself, bringing the blessings of progress to all the country's inhabitants, and aspiring towards independent nationhood.
In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.
This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home.
The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people - the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe - was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the comity of nations.
Survivors of the Nazi holocaust in Europe, as well as Jews from other parts of the world, continued to migrate to Eretz-Israel, undaunted by difficulties, restrictions and dangers, and never ceased to assert their right to a life of dignity, freedom and honest toil in their national homeland.
In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.
On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.
This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.
ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.
WE DECLARE that, with effect from the moment of the termination of the Mandate being tonight, the eve of Sabbath, the 6th Iyar, 5708 (15th May, 1948), until the establishment of the elected, regular authorities of the State in accordance with the Constitution which shall be adopted by the Elected Constituent Assembly not later than the 1st October 1948, the People's Council shall act as a Provisional Council of State, and its executive organ, the People's Administration, shall be the Provisional Government of the Jewish State, to be called "Israel".
THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.
WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.
WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighborliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.
WE APPEAL to the Jewish people throughout the Diaspora to rally round the Jews of Eretz-Israel in the tasks of immigration and upbuilding and to stand by them in the great struggle for the realization of the age-old dream - the redemption of Israel.
PLACING OUR TRUST IN THE ALMIGHTY, WE AFFIX OUR SIGNATURES TO THIS PROCLAMATION AT THIS SESSION OF THE PROVISIONAL COUNCIL OF STATE, ON THE SOIL OF THE HOMELAND, IN THE CITY OF TEL-AVIV, ON THIS SABBATH EVE, THE 5TH DAY OF IYAR, 5708 (14TH MAY, 1948).
David Ben-Gurion
Daniel Auster
Mordekhai Bentov
Yitzchak Ben Zvi
Eliyahu Berligne
Fritz Bernstein
Rabbi Wolf Gold
Meir Grabovsky
Yitzchak Gruenbaum
Dr. Abraham Granovsky
Eliyahu Dobkin
Meir Wilner-Kovner
Zerach Wahrhaftig
Herzl Vardi Rachel Cohen
Rabbi Kalman Kahana
Saadia Kobashi
Rabbi Yitzchak Meir Levin
Meir David Loewenstein
Zvi Luria
Golda Myerson
Nachum Nir
Zvi Segal
Rabbi Yehuda Leib Hacohen Fishman
David Zvi Pinkas
Aharon Zisling
Moshe Kolodny
Eliezer Kaplan
Abraham Katznelson
Felix Rosenblueth
David Remez
Berl Repetur
Mordekhai Shattner
Ben Zion Sternberg
Bekhor Shitreet
Moshe Shapira
Moshe Shertok
Takima 18:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Israel's Declaration of independence

message: I found the first phase very poor and not obvious to understand to someone who would read this article as first source of information on the conflit. There are also information that should be put somewhere else as these British soldiers that fought for Hagannah. This is anecdotic.
I think before this paragraph all military forces that will intervene in the conflit should be described. To come back on a former Ian comment I think political motivations or intentions should also be precised.
We could organise this that way :
what they wanted - what they had to do this - what they did.
:Intentions - plans and declarations (for 1st phase).
::: zionists
::: arabs
:::: Mufti
:::: Abdullah
:::: Arab League
:::: Arab countries
::: British
::: Others (eg USA  ?)
:Description of force
::Zionist forces
:::Hagannah
:::Palmach
:::Stern - Lehi
::Arab and palestinian
::: irregulars
::: Arab liberation army
::: Arab Legion
::British
:Events
:: by chronological order. The description of forces and of real intentions will help the reader to understand what events really mean without anybody among us needs to explain and therefore gives a POV.
::intentions could be a source of conflit but I don't think that will really cause problem because this is well known and documented by historians and also if we cut this phase by phase.
:I think arab countries forces and intentions should be discussed when phase 3 is described with eventual short come back that will not harm the understanding of the chronology given they didn't really prepare
Alithien  11:31, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subjects to treat