Talk:Bullet for My Valentine/Archive 1

message: very badly written article eg:
they won
they won
they won
...got the idea?LiAm McShAnE 19:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality

message: They are a very popular band in the rock community and are often seen as screamo. Should Screamo be put in with their genre?
They are rock band.
:couldnt care less all their lyrics r shit LiAm McShAnE 19:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: No. Bullet ain't screamo. They're Killswitch-lite, and to boot they only got signed for two reasons; 1) the success of Funeral for a Friend and 2) the singer looks a tad like Ian Watkins.
I Agree Bullet aren't screamo but they may be catagorised as Trash Metal but to be honest as a Bullet for my Valentine fan I would call them just Trash metal they may not be as heavy as Kilswitch engage or As I Lay Dying but They are still called trash.
Paladin91 19:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Are Bullet screamo then?

message: Okay, I think you have a little bit too much time on your hands if you feel the need to write such unfounded garbage about such a talented band. Sure, they may be arrogant, they may be unoriginal (although I wouldn't say that) but they play passionately and with great skill.
Anyways, in regard to their genre; yeah I think metal pretty much covers it at the moment, but I have a feeling someone might have to change it in a few years when they hone their sound and the scene finds some new bandwagon.
--Morda Statca 01:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chill Dude.... 

message: Bullet is a great Metal band and just because the vocalslist brags about haveing sex with so many woman, doesnt make him arragant. If you were to have sex with alot of woman wouldnt you brag to? yes they may have an additude doent mean there a bad band. I think Bullet is going to be a great band, that many Heavy metal fans will enjoy listening to.
User:Matrix1jg (march 28, 2006)
Bragging about being a whore? No thanks.... 81.71.36.212 14:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I AGree with Morda 

message: I know its a bit of a moot point that a band like B4MV sing about their feelings (as do many 'emo' bands, and funnily enough; 99% of all musicians - yes that even includes Deicide) but that doesn't warrant them to be labled as an emo band. My personal take on bands genre is for me defined my their actual sound, and as far as Bullet goes, their threadwork is waaay too sick for your typical emo band...okay so they may not have Metallica-like hooks and it MAY sound a bit contrived but that in my honest opinion does not mean they are an emo band...etc etc :)
So...please consult this comment when thinking about changing their genre (as it is 2006).
--Morda Statca 18:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heavy metal 

message: I made the gallery thing (?) in the Albums section, I don't know if it's a dumb idea, and that's why I only did it with the albums.
So, yeah, you could always change it back.
Gustavatron. 13:17, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gallery 

message: Aren't they also heavy metal. DavidJJJ 18:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: Now maybe I just haven't heard enough BFMV and I can't speak for what the band themselves are influenced by, but I can't hear much melodic death metal influence in their music. Does anyone have a citation? --Nosmo 17:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: BMFV really is sounding more and more like Screamo now.
With lyrics like, "your tears don't fall, they crash around me" you really can't argue that they are not.
They also have the clean/gutteral vocal combination that is prevalent in Screamo bands.
I think however, they have recently developed into a Screamo band, it might just be them wanting to get some money off of the recent popularity, but you have to admit that the newest album is entirely more Screamo then their previous releases.
Lots of bands undergo changes throughout their careers, I am not saying BMFV is a bad band, I am just saying that the recent release for now makes them a bit Screamo.
Transcended 18:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dude, they're not screamo. Do some research before calling them screamo, like listen to Saetia then to Bullet or whatever other band you think is screamo. Diabolical 01:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh but they are now. 

message: hey I'm a nihilist and a Bullet for my Valentine fan so just wondered are these people really nihilist? look at this lyrics from "The End": -There's no love, everybody's crying
There's no truth, everyone's misguided- // if they are not what they are then? LoE 11:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nihilism?

message: I reverted the genre in the infobox and in various places in the text to heavy metal. I also removed the following quote:
"Matt seem's to constantly wear either Metallica's ...And Justice For All album t-shirt, a Famous Stars & Straps t-shirt or Avenged Sevenfold's 'Love It Or Die' slogan t-shirt."
I'm unsure whether this is relevant to the text and haven't seen any sources for this claim. Jonas Viper 17:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted genre 

message: should that story about them saying in kerrang that they caught their manager wanking, and then he sued them be mentioned? pretty significant when you think about it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.108.131.190 (talk) 19:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  wanking business 

message: I'm proposing the removal of "Emo" from their genre types. I am not saying this because I see Emo as some kind of insult, as many people seem to, but simply because I can't see how Bullet fit into this category of music. As some on here have already said, singing about feelings does not make you an Emo band. If it did, a good 90%+ bands out there would be Emo. Unless someone can come up with some solid reasoning behind this label, it will have to be removed. Prophaniti 03:41, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Genre

message: hey y'all, what the hell is this "thandocore"??!? this kinda stuff doesnt even exist...okay, one band plays this style, but there are loads of bands whose music doesnt really fit into existing genres...those could have an idiot name for their style also...and anyway, how the f*ck are there "tribal beats" and "tribal singing" in Bullet's music????????!!!!!!!!!???!! pleez act
*already done, also please sign posts next time. DannyB!! 20:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  what da hell

message: are they really an influence?  they don't souond that much alike...  the vocals, maybe, but still, the musical style is completely different, and it just looks weird when you see thehir influences are like all metal bands, then bfs suddenly appears....Itachi1452 22:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: bowling for soup?

message: Someone name me one thrash metal song BFMV have done, besides cover songs. Songs from their upcoming album don't count either, as we haven't heard the album yet. James25402 15:31, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thrash metal? Seriously? 

message: One thing I'd like to question: Is there really a need for the "influences" section? I haven't seen that on other band pages, and it just seems too much like a fan-page-esque indulgence. I'd suggest it be removed. If someone wants to include in the main section that Metallica or any other band was an influence (and can cite their source) sure thing, but a separate section/list seems a bit much. Prophaniti 14:16, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's been over a week and no objections, so I'll go ahead with it. Prophaniti 08:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences?

message: They didn't cancel ALL dates, just a few in June and July. Their scheduled tour in Aus in September still went ahead... and I'm sure they played more as well. Welshy1791 03:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cancelled Dates 

message: Is there any reason the "for" in the article name is lower case while "my" has an uppercase "m". Luke255 14:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Bfmv-ep.jpg

message: Just though you should know, the lyrics are "Pull the knife from my back" not "Pull it out from my back"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.211.228 (talk) 08:07, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyrics 

message: No official release date has been released yet, so why is the release date down as February 12th? The source isn't reliable. JDFL 16:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If a different date is announced it will take like 5 seconds to change it. Release dates are changed all the time. M3tal H3ad 03:32, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scream, Aim, Fire Release Date 

message: I think pages for all four of the guys should be made. I think they have enough star status that it is time that they should have a page for people to get to know them individually better. I've got something for Matt agoin but it needs work. Help out if you can and if you disagree discuss it and we'll figure it out.
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatguyinchair3 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  individual pages for band members 

message: How is Bullet for my Valentine remotely punk? The greatest difference between punk & metal music is the skill and level of the music being played. metal is played to high quality (or at least an attempt) containing lead breaks, skillful timing, technical skill whereas punk is supposed to be of an amateur level containing used mostly three-cords. The term punk came about to describe three core one off hits by amateur garage bands in the states. Punk developed into a popular music style played at an amateur level known for its "buzz" guitar blast sound.
Bullet for my Valentine are skillful musicians and play too technically structured songs to fall into the punk bounderies.
From rock / hard rock rose both Heavy Metal & punk rock. From Heavy Metal came sub genres all ending in -Metal (i.e power metal, thrash metal etc etc). When punk rock began to decline, hardcore punk evolved and took punk into a newer revived realm. From Hardcore punk came also sub genres. These all ended in -core (i.e crustcore, grindcore etc).
Much metal took influence from punk music yet remain metal (i.e. thrash metal) the same way punk took influence from metal (i.e. crustcore, grindcore).
Some metal fans tried to make new genres up using the ending -core but not realising that -core was already a punk used ending. Its like making a new genre of punk and calling it 'punk metal'.
To call Bullet for my Valentine as metalcore is wrong. They are an evolution of metal and not punk.
>Even if they are an evolution of metal, calling them "heavy metal" is still wrong. We can all agree they are a metal band, but I don't think heavy is the right type of metal, especially if we were to describe most songs on The Poison.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.72.160.129 (talk) 21:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  -core are genres of hardcore punk & -Metal are genres of Heavy Metal inspired by good things in life

message: Just have to say "I brought you bullets, you brought me love"they have broken up
Because I ask you a "Bullet for my valentine" hahahahahahahahahaha...
Ok that was just a joke but I must say, BFMV sounds similar to MCR, and their name is like the following of "I brought you bullets bla bla bla..." so, may we write a section about the name or a comparison or something?
Disgusting,don't ever compare Bullet to my chem,there are plenty of differences.And they don't sound like em either,since when does MCR have screams and guitar solos,yeah,i didn't think so.4.235.189.149 (talk) 00:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, you'll find that MCR does having screaming and guitar solos :) They're just nothing like BFMV. MCR: Alternative Rock. BFMV: Metalcore.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grungedude22 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I understood the name thing, but comparing those two bands to each other musically is like comparing Suicide Silence to No Doubt. — GunMetal Angel 20:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: MCR

message: Maintains some metalcore values but it has a touch of power metal in my opinion. Should I put that in there?
:Find sources saying they are power metal. Just because you think it retains elements of power metal, does not mean they do. M3tal H3ad 03:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New album

message: Lol there seems to be a war at the moment. There are elements of thrash metal in their music but not enough to be classified as thrash. Especially their new stuff is not really thrashy. Although that is my personal opinion, what does everyone else think? RPI 22:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Stay WP:CIVIL in future, please. And Encyclopaedia Metallum is just an amateur fansite, what it says has no bearing whatsoever on Wikipedia. Funeral 21:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  go look on the 10 Years talk page, and look at how well that reflects on the civil.  my responses were sabotaged continuously.  (also, if you can, could you do that "the unsigned comment was written by soand so thing?  i don't know how).  but it's not just that, bfmv sounds like hawthorne heights decided to play heavier music.  that's all.  Itachi1452 (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, Metallum may not be a "professional" website, and so it's opinions should be taken carefully, but in cases it can be very useful. After all, a lot of "professional" things like certain magazines are made up of people just the same, most with no better qualifications in the subject. Indeed, I'd say the opinion of someone who knows heavy metal very well is worth far more than someone who simply happens to work on a reviewing website or magazine that sometimes ventures into the genre. Prophaniti (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

text:  metalcore is a form of metal. lets call them Neo-thrashcore? did i just invent that?
Simmo Mania (talk) 17:27, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

text: They do have speed, but speed alone doesn't quanitfy thrash metal, or even a true element of it. Thrash is more about the riffing style and song layout. Prophaniti (talk) 10:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thrash Metal

message: Where it states that the band wanted to follow the nu-metal trends, the examples are Korn and Limp Bizkit. Korn should be used as a valid example as they were the ones that are renouned for starting the nu-metal genre, but also, instead of Limp Bizkit being an example, Linkin Park should be used, as they are better pioneers and the highest selling act of the genre. Furthermore, Linkin Park are currently active where as Limp Bizkit arn't.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.252.174 (talk) 14:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Linkin Park didn't even exist in 1997, so how were Jeff Killed John supposed to follow their trends? Funeral 16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: and Hybrid theory was released in like 1999-2000? So they couldnt of set a trend in 1996-97 M3tal H3ad (talk) 05:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  history section/nu-metal 

message: Why is the article capitalized as "Bullet for My Valentine" when Scream Aim Fire clearly shows a capital "F" on "For". Why would they choose a capital for "My" and not for "For" if no cited explanation is available the article should be renamed to reflect the Album. Luke255 (talk) 00:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: I've noticed on Lyricsondemand.com that the lyrics to "Eye Of The Storm" are all but correct. What is up with this. Just b/c people hear the song and think they understand the lyrics are just wrong. You have to have the lyric book that comes with the CD to understand some of it. Personally I've got it and I love it, but if I want to post something about the lyrics and how they go, I've got to type them myself from my lyric book b/c some ppl just can't get them right online...but it's all good, we'll get over it, but to be honest, I love this album...
LilRichard23  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.206.83 (talk) 08:03, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Lyrics To The New Songs 

message: I added a paragraph with some excerpts from Padge's interview at UG but someone deleted it. I think we should at least talk about his new signature guitars??? Here is the link to the interview: HERE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.46.167 (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: His signature guitars have nothing to do with the band. Feel free to add it on his own page. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent Interview

message: The article Matthew Tuck does not assert much notability outisde of this band, alot of the article is unsourced original research and the article contains alot of irrelevant info. Guidelines suggest band members are better contained in the main article. Are there any sources for actions outside of the band? Could it be merged here? --neonwhite  user page talk 23:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the idea. Thanks for reading. Thundermaster (talk · contribs) 13:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately notability guidelines do not allow for articles about non notable persons. --neonwhite  user page talk 21:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text:  Unsourced and non-encyclopedic info. Wikipedia discourages trivia. --neonwhite  user page talk 17:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger Proposal 

message: Just Thought you guys should know, I changed Matthew Tuck To Matt, cause' he goes by Matt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.38.28 (talk) 21:00, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed 

message: Bullet For My Valentine is a singular noun. It follows the same rules as a book title. Even though it refers to a group of people, it is to be treated as a singular noun.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robojedi (talk • contribs) 02:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullet For My Valentine: a singular noun 

message: In british english bands are plural and common practice is to use british english not american english in british related articles such as this. --neonwhite  user page talk 14:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note on style guidelines 

message: Body of the article says they formed on 1998. On the other hand the table says that they are active since 1995. Can somebody with sources fix this? Thank you. 00:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I believe they were previously known by several different names prior to the current one. There is no real ser time when we can say the band was formed. --neonwhite  user page talk 13:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strating Date 

message: How does this article contradict itself ?  Jakisbak (talk) 18:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: Since Matthew Tuck's article was even more detailed than the Michael Paget article and was merged with the Bullet article, I think it'd be beneficial just to delete Michael's article, as it serves absolutely no purpose but state the obvious. The only text entered in the Michael Paget article is "Michael "Padge" Paget is best known as the lead guitarist and backing vocalist of the Welsh metalcore band Bullet For My Valentine." It's redundant and unnecessary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.255.115 (talk) 01:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of "Michael "Padge" Paget" article 

message: I think that the demos should have a page. I know that demos aren't notable enough for wikipedia but couldn't there be a page for early Bullet releases all together? Give their track listings and give a lead pargraph describing how they were released when they were Jeff Killed John and the stylistic differences between the demos and newer Bullet realeases. Tell me what you think of this idea and go to my talk page to tell me if you'll do this. Jonasbrotherareterrible (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Demos 

message: I've Created a wikia about this article and i want you to put it here plz the web page is http://bfmv.wikia.com/wiki/Bullet_for_my_Valentine please add it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokua6 (talk • contribs) 10:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add new link plz!! 

message: erm idk if its ok lol but remember the link!! http://bfmv.wikia.com/wiki/Bullet_for_my_valentine —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rokua6 (talk • contribs) 
: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. —Ms2ger (talk) 12:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link.. 

message: Can everyone please stop edit warring about genres. Your personal opinion of their style or genre of music is irrelevant. What should be stated is the genres noted in reliable sources, giving due weight to the genres, i.e. not including those from a minority viewpoint. Fences and windows (talk) 20:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't really edit warring, just several IPs (representing the same person) removing "melodic metalcore" here and at metalcore because he claims it "doesn't exist". He has been given a final warning for vandalism. Timmeh! 20:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Please see the style and influences section in the article. It has sources for those genres. Timmeh!(review me) 19:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Genres

message: I saw an article of Avenged Sevenfold. The genres are Hard Rock(new) & Metalcore(old). So since Jeff Killed John play Nu Metal music, it should be added to Bullet For My Valentine's genre and write in the bracket as "(old material)" like other bands article do have. --Rimara (talk) 08:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see why not. --Kmaster (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to add new genres, wait a bit for others to comment, and present reliable sources. Fences and windows (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reference has always been there. --Kmaster (talk) 23:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List nu-metal genre as old material 

message: If you'll take a look at the awards section, you'll see a trivia tag. I think it may be more practical just to put the awards into a table, rather than having a list in paragraph form. Would anyone mind making a table for the awards? Timmeh 01:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be in list form.--110.159.75.57 (talk) 07:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awards section 

message: Continued from previous discussion.
"Heavy metal" is refering to ALL their genres, the reader of an encyclopedia does not want to go through all these subgenres whilist observing an article. Heavy metal's general subgenres do include metalcore and thrash metal which are BFMV's genres, as to what in your words the "sources say". — Metalcore is a subgenre of heavy metal, do you get it now? • GunMetal Angel 19:44, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem here is that metalcore is not a subgenre of heavy metal. It's a fusion genre of hardcore punk and extreme metal, according to the Wikipedia article. Therefore, you cannot substitute heavy metal for metalcore or vise-versa. Timmeh 20:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fusions genres are parts of subgenres, it's all categorized within the subgenre classification, otherwise Shadows Fall or Trvium wouldn't have their lead stated as "heavy metal" band, might I add BFMV are no different from these bands in terms of what the sources say (also come to think about it, just like Trivium, Bullet both have their lead singer play guitar and has their bassist and their lead guitarist both doing backing vocals.) • GunMetal Angel 21:24, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, "other stuff exists" is not a valid argument. Metalcore, while being part extreme metal, a subgenre of heavy metal, is also part hardcore punk, which is not a subgenre of heavy metal. Metalcore is not a subgenre of heavy metal. Therefore, you cannot place metalcore under the heavy metal umbrella, no matter how much you want to do so or how convenient it may be. Timmeh 00:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, I find myself agreeing in the same way. If we feel that a catch-all genre is required for the opening sentence; it may be necessary to resort to the classic noncommittal method of calling them "a rock band". ~ mazca talk 10:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not gonna put a large ammount of debate here this time, because I feel others would like to make their statements too, as for my bottom line — metalcore IS a subgenre of heavy metal you could just read the article or just look at the word - metalcore. • GunMetal Angel 20:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your example with the word is good except it ignores the second half of the word, "core", which is derived from hardcore punk. Also, reading the article tells me it is a fusion genre like I said above, not a subgenre of heavy metal. Timmeh 21:44, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I agree with User:Timmeh, if you read the article on metalcore, you'll notice it calls metalcore a fusion of heavy metal and hardcore punk, not a subgenre. If we just use "heavy metal" as the universal genre, how long before someone argues their not a metal band and wants to go to using "rock" as the universal genre? Just something to think about. Emo777 (talk) 07:43, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Referred to by whom may I ask? Timmeh 00:51, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

text: But metalcore isn't a subgenre, otherwise that would make it a subgenre of hardcore punk as well as heavy metal. Fusion genres and subgenres are different. Besides that, Bullet for my Valentine aren't thrash metal, they have trash metal influence no doubt, but I still say it's a pretty long reach before you can call them thrash metal. Emo777 (talk) 09:15, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll walk down yet another ally, BFMV aren't even straightforwardly metalcore, they're generally melodic metalcore (melodic death metal, extreme/alternative metal and hardcore punk) and with that along with thrash metal, it's obvious that their tiny little hardcore punk influence is buried down with all the metal that is made up of the band's general style. - And plus having this conversation go this far is pointless, having the lead as "heavy metal band" is supposed to be the progression of the article — why else do you think Linkin Park, Tool, Machine Head and Shadows Fall all have their lead generic as rock band or heavy metal band? Do you want to know why? It's because these bands are classified under multiple genres, just like BFMV. — GunMetal Angel 23:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no need to keep repeating the "other stuff exists" argument. It's an invalid argument, and it obviously isn't advancing the discussion. Your own opinion about the amount of hardcore punk in BFMV's music doesn't matter either. The fact is, metalcore cannot be legitimately included as a subgenre of heavy metal. Unless you have some evidence, backed by reliable sources, that metalcore is a direct subgenre of heavy metal, the genre with the majority of sources will be put back into the lead per our NPOV and verifiability policies. Timmeh 00:24, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why those pages you mention are labeled as a "universal genre" (i.e. Rock, Heavy Metal) is because no one on the talk page could reach an agreement on what to label them as because they take influence from so many types of music. BFMV is different, everyone on this page (except you, no offense) has agreed on what they should be labeled as. And, it doesn't matter if they have alot of hardcore punk influence or not, they're still metalcore. This is a pointless argument. Emo777 (talk) 07:26, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Yes, metalcore is fine. This debate is getting worthy of being nominated for WP:LAME. Fences&Windows 02:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if no one wants to respond then in reality this is settled, go ahead and put metalcore back in the lead. Emo777 (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  Timmeh is obviously just the stubborn user, I mean he has reverted my edits to such articles like Bleed It Out in which I was restoring the original genre, among other pointless reverts. And as for this he is technically ceasing the article's progression, EVERY other article that involves with music and have got an award for "Featured Article" at some point always have their lead as "rock band" or "heavy metal band" band, and eventually this article's lead will be heavy metal as well, it could be now or it could be next year, I prefer now, and if anyone disagrees, why? Are you just being as stubborn as the next person? Otherwise read every single response I have wrote here and then respond to this comment. • GunMetal Angel 23:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me what you will. I'd prefer to comment on content, rather than contributors with whom I disagree. The main argument for having metalcore in the lead is that, first, it is supported by a majority of sources, and second, having heavy metal in the lead would exclude metalcore because it is not a direct subgenre. In other words, metalcore as a band's genre cannot be assumed by looking at heavy metal, but heavy metal can be assumed as a band's genre by looking at metalcore. None of these points have been refuted, and therefore, with the agreement of the last major participant in this discussion, Mazca, I will reinsert metalcore per consensus and in accordance with our neutrality and verifiability policies. Timmeh  00:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Metalcore is fine. Yes, it does not describe every last iota of their output, but it's both a fairly good description of them as a band, and definitely seems to be the most common term used among reviews and other reliable-sourced coverage. Given that I feel "heavy metal" is strictly inaccurate, and "rock" is just so imprecise that it's worth avoiding wherever possible: metalcore is most certainly the most logical term to use here. ~ mazca talk 08:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

text: What the...? I've given much reason more than you can possibly imagine, rather it being directly or looking at it from more than 5 different views, everything I have gathered up and given examples is all stated, that comment really made no sense. • GunMetal Angel 20:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have restored metalcore to the lead per my interpretation of consensus and per the policies I referenced above. Gunmetal Angel, if you disagree with this change, please do not revert my edit but discuss it here instead. Timmeh  22:07, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Metalcore band vs. heavy metal band debate

message: I don't think this section is at all notable or necessary. Only a list of studio albums by the band is really notable for the band article. Music videos should be saved for the main discography article. See AC/DC and Nirvana (band), both featured articles. If anyone has objections to the removal of the list of music videos, please voice them here. Timmeh 15:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There isn't currently a discography page, is there? I'm fairly neutral on the argument of including music videos, but either way I rather think the discography section is getting long enough to warrant splitting it into a separate article. Any objections to this? ~ mazca talk 19:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A separate discography article would be nice. I probably should not have assumed BFMV already had one. You can go ahead and create it if you want, and then we can remove all the extra stuff in this article. Timmeh 21:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music videos 

message: Are we sure that this is the title for the new album? It's not sourced or anything and Matt Tuck said in an interview on the second day of Mayhem Fest that they didn't have a title for it yet. I need confirmation of this title to believe it. KezianAvenger (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the title. If you see it mentioned in the article, it should be removed immediately. I don't know why, but this seems to happen with almost every upcoming album I encounter. A rumor gets spread around so widely across non-reliable sites that you see dozens of fanboys rushing to add a speculated title based on what another fan said on a message board. Timmeh 19:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here Comes The Storm 

message: Right, I'll obviously do this more in depth later but had a glance first.
* Images are fine and GA-suitable. But I'm wondering why the body photo is not in the infobox. I know it doesn't have all the members but it's way nicer and more professional. I thought it was a copyrighted thing from Guitar Hero or something when I first saw it. Consider swapping the photos.
More to come... Rafablu88 11:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Timmeh  14:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll get to fixing those refs tomorrow. Thanks a bunch for taking some time to look over the article. :) Timmeh  02:12, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  No probs. Also forgot to say that Billboard have sorted out their website and collated EVERY single detail, esp charts, into one single flash beta page for every artist. It might be wise to remove all the ones used here and cite just one page. Rafablu88 08:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  My thoughts... 

message: Hey, I'm new here, but I've been here before, and the picture for the band had most of the members, and the new one only has two. Shouldn't the old one be put back up? User:Fatguy 983  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatguy983 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See the section above this for why this photo was put in the infobox. Timmeh  13:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bad Picture 

message: Listen to 'Scream Aim Fire' and you'll hear 'Over the Top' sounds like 'Breaking the Law' by JP  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moltenrock (talk • contribs) 06:51, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Judas Priest infuence 

message: Reference no. 32 has been vandalised by the inclusion of 'PENIS' in the hyperlink, I'd change it but it's semi-protected
:Fixed. Thanks. ~ mazca talk 09:50, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Is it true that he was taught by that crazy woman on the XFactor, Ariel Burdett (formerly Amy)? --ScythreTalkContribs 17:28, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Tuck 

message: In the lead, it mentioned the band secured five album deal but in the record deal section, it mentioned five year record deal.--Rimara (talk) 10:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The source cited by the second mention seems to suggest it is in fact five albums, I've changed the text. ~ mazca talk 12:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  five albums or five years? 

message: In the awards section, we should list the awards they won instead of just write it in paragraph form.--Rimara (talk) 10:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  list for awards 

message: It's kinda confusing me while reading the article. It stated that You/Play With Me was released in 2002 and Nick Crandle left the band on the eve of entering studio to record it. But in members list, it shows that Nick Crandle was the band member until 2003. If he left before the recording session of You/Play With Me, then it means he left in 2002, not 2003. Also the article is not chronologically clear. In the first paragraph, it wrote about the release of the EP while the next paragraph, it wrote about event prior to the release of the EP.--Rimara (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  confusing 

message: Since Paget now has his own DVD released, doesn't it worth to create his own wiki page? Beside the release of the DVD never mentioned in Bullet's article.--Rimara (talk) 04:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Michael Paget's page 

message: i cant edit the page because of vandels but a new interview with matt says the album will come out late april and will be more like the poison and have no ballads
http://www.rocksound.tv/news/article/bullet-for-my-valentine-talk-new-album  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickyoung667 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for posting the link. I've added the info to the article. Timmeh 01:31, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

text: You can use the  template for radio broadcasts. Timmeh 22:57, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've done that. Hope its ok, only problem is that the link isn't permanent and then it really will be unsourced. Newsteadgirl (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  new info about the new album 

message: The new album "Fever" has been confirmed to be released on April 27. The date needs to be edited on the page and I have not been confirmed yet so I can't edit it myself. Here's a link to the announcement.
Alinton4343 (talk) 20:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it. Timmeh 22:06, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album release date 

message: 'Your Betrayal' was said on your page to come out as a single on March 9th. It came out today (March 2nd).
Here's a link; just in case: http://www.bulletformyvalentine.com/us/music/your-betrayal-digital-45  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ammccoy (talk • contribs) 22:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date For Single Wrong 

message: Hey I just wanted to ask if somebody may add that Bullet For My Valentine are playing on the famous german festival 'Rock am Ring' this year. Here you can see the line-up to confirm it: http://www.rock-am-ring.com/ 93.131.227.33 (talk) 10:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It's already on there. I did it a few months ago. Newsteadgirl (talk) 21:44, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confirmed Festival in Germany 

message: ur missing their first album which isnt The Poison it is Hand of blood. The poison came after it i mean no affence or anything but whoever wrote this page knows nothing about bullet and i cant write about it because i have too much time on my hands as it is now would someone get it right or i might just eat someones face *OM NOM NOM NOM*  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.36.248 (talk) 03:17, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: hand of blood was a promo EP and was their second. their self titled was first. and besides extended plays arnt albums.Jonjonjohny (talk) 13:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing an album 

message: why isn't there a wiki page for Your Betrayal?David1287 (talk) 21:45, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your Betrayal page