Talk:PlayStation 3/Archive 12

message: Has anyone given any thought to creating a page specifically for "objective" comparisons of the next generation consoles? At the very least, it may divert vandalism away from the primary PS3 page, and create a single place where comparisons of hardware, software, marketing strategies, supply amounts, etcetera can be discussed? 129.128.233.48 07:26, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparisons Page

message: Over on the Cell Microprocessor page, they state "Despite rumors, all seven SPEs are utilizable by games, according to the makers of Untold Legends who are using all seven SPEs." along with an appropriate citation to an interview. Can anyone double-check this, and should we incorporate it into the page when it gets unlocked? 129.128.233.48 00:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked it and the source written incorrectly. The editor of the source article is making an assumption that all 7 SPE's are available to be used. The developer probably indicated that all of the SPE's would be used for different purposes, but without expicitly stating the number of available SPE's. It is well known that the PS3 reserves 1 SPE for the O/S plus an additional SPE can be consumed at any time as required by the O/S. At a minimum there are 6 SPE's availabe for game, and at times only 5 may be available. Ars Technica Article The evidence for the reserve SPE's is much greater than the single article with a paraphrased comment from a game developer. I can confirm from personal sources that the Ars Technica article is very close to the real O/S requirements. --Thax 00:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Seventh SPU

message: I add that someone at Sony called Wii and XB360 overpriced.  I cited my source and all.  Can I put it back in?--NFAN3 "I try so hard to be a Uber Geek!"~Jason Fox 11:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: please put comments at the end. Some things are non-notable, even if they are cited. the wiki syntax in your signature is messed up. --24.7.86.143 18:46, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Why was the part I added deleted?

message: let's keep this concise. --gatoatigrado 04:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would disagree. Common criticisms which have been raised by several reliable outside sources which we cite should usually be mention as is normal with all articles on wikipedia. Remember that wikipedia is an encyclopedia NOT a place intended to help people decide which console. By providing neutral and accurate info, we may help readers decide but the primary purpose of an encylopedia is not to help readers decide. More specifically, this article is primarily about the PS3, not about differences between the PS3 and the Xbox360. Indeed I would suggest it's a violation of NPOV to not mention common criticisms. How much detail we go in to of course is debatable. Clearly the most basic issue is the criticism of the price (i.e. the price is too high). We should probably also mention other same gen consoles are cheaper but if we do, we need to make some mention that they have different feature sets. However I don't think we need to go into to detail of the different feature sets. This would be best left for another article. (Alternatively, readers can just compare the different articles.) It is not up to ask to try and tell the reader which one is better or whether the PS3 is worth the high price. This would not be NPOV. Instead, it is simply our job to mention that some people have stated they feel the price is too high. Also, I don't know much about the dual HDMI issue but if it was a widely touted feature or the loss of dual HDMI has been widely criticised then it must be mentioned. You seem to have misunderstood perhaps the nature of an encylopedia. It is not our job to decide whether the loss of a feature is important and as I have stated before, this article should be primarily about the PS3 not about comparisons with the Xbox360. Therefore, there no reason for us to exclude mention of something just because Microsoft has greater issues. The only question should be whether the loss of dual HDMI is noteable enough or not (i.e. we shouldn't give undue weight to something which no one cares about)... Nil Einne 07:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said.  As I've stated in previous posts, the price point has been an issue with gamers/developers that has been documented in other media.  This isn't POV, we're not putting "the PS3 is too expensive" in the article, we're documenting a criticism raised by mutiple groups about the system.  CPitt76 16:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I think your vision for it is the same as mine. I agree with all of your points. The last point I made at the top brought out more relevant issues than the historical context. It is obviously not included in the revised criticism section. I did feel that the other opinions had undue weight and were too competitive. Please tell me what you feel should be added back in. . --gatoatigrado 17:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: This is completely opinion, but the loss of dual hdmi is not noticable. The rumble capability is better left for the ps3 controller article. There was certainly a lot of media attention about it (e.g. push polls, articles). However in the end I don't think it will be a major detraction from the game; plenty of people play computer games without rumble packs. In politics I think there's an effect where something is a "major controversy", but when it goes the "other" way (against the public), it becomes apparent people don't care about the issue. I think it's similar here. News sites report things they think will get them traffic, not necessarily important things. --gatoatigrado 17:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I believe the criticism section can stay, as it is well documented. With that kind of thought, we should remove the specifications until it is released, the games until they are released, etc. -- ReyBrujo 01:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with removing however it should be trimmed, Criticism is a rebuttle that has caused a negative effect, in this case the high PS3 price has caused Sony's stock prices to drop and has scared away developers, It is also well cited. I do however believe the section regarding games based off sequals should be removed. since we have yet to see any negative effect -- Dctcool 03:41 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Another criticism of the ps3 is that it uses a motion sensing controller that is criticized because it is said to be a copy of the Nintendo's Wii Remote. 7llusion 13:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I am going to remove the sequels to popular games remark. I will remove the surface level innovation remark until we can find a better source. I think it is a valid point though. Criticism of the price by developers and/or publishers have been very few - you will need a reference. Beware that developers may defend the PlayStation 3 because they want their game to do well in the future, and so they can build sequels when more consoles are released. --gatoatigrado 15:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism 

message: So it's true. The PS3 will have $80 games.
Link: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/734/734950p1.html
Here's what this new article has to say:
QUOTE: "In Japan, the standard price of a PS2 game is 6,800 yen, with only the biggest titles like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy rising to the 8,800 yen mark."
QUOTE: "To most gamers, the most eye-catching part of the feature is a claim about game prices. Citing "multiple information sources," the article states that the price of PS3 games will be concentrated in the 8,800 to 9,800 yen range."
Math Time:
6,800 Yen - $58.00 US (PS2 game price)
8,800 Yen = $75.50 US
9,800 Yen - $85.00 US
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
So $75 for the low end games and $85 for the good stuff.
The Japanese always pay a little more for games than we do. But its only a little. So its reasonable to say that PS3 games will range between $70 and $80 US*.
thebird71.236.225.50 01:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Games in Japan tend to cost $15 to $20 more than in the U.S., not "only a little". Amish Gramish 02:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: According to this article on GameSpot , games are being priced at $60 in the US, although Sony has made no official announcement on pricing yet so nothing definitive can be said. BryanG(talk) 01:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no need to post the exact same comment twice on one page. It's bad form. I have deleted your earlier post to avoid redundancy. The reason we didn't include your US$70-80 figure is that it's original research, asserting something which wasn't directly stated by the source. And as BryanG said, we have another source that relates specifically to US prices, and which contrasts with your research. Dancter 01:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

text: www.sonystyle.com $59.99 endd of discussion. 159.153.138.70 23:56, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GUYS, THE PS3 GAMES WILL COST 7-80 DOLLARS 

message: This section has caused Flaming (internet). To discourage troll (internet) (s), please do not edit or recreate this section. archive. --gatoatigrado 03:06, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3's defense 

message: well, if no one is going to convert them - i don't know how - the us prices should be removed. I think that was the consensus we reached above. --gatoatigrado 05:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to remove them(and the note below) whenever you want. Unneed and just clutters everything up.70.101.200.243 20:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, the price of the 20 GB version was dropped in Japan to what would convert to about $425 in US currency, but it appears that the price drop is only for Japan, and that the 20 GB version will still be US$499 in the US. Dancter 03:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I see -- and apparently USA Today says that the US price isn't affected.  I just remember seeing a blurb on the subject in the morning news about a week ago.  --Stratadrake 12:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think that was the consensus reached above, at all.  Most people seemed to be in favor of keeping the prices, if the VAT could be removed--so what's the problem?  -Mance 14:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  the problem was that BillyWhack and I were both writing comments on the talk page in different sections and getting irritated with each other ... lol. Anyway, no one's fault, although he wasn't quite as generous / well tempered as I was - no bragging intended, just read above. --gatoatigrado 08:04, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  us prices 

message: :"An ICT flag can be set by content producers, which forces non-HDCP video down to a pixel resolution of 960×540 (50% greater than DVD-Video at NTSC resolution, and 25% greater than PAL resolution). SCEA president Kaz Hirai stated that it is "too early to speculate at this point" whether movie producers will activate the ICT feature.[8] According to German publisher Spiegel, a behind-the-scenes agreement was made not to enforce the ICT flag on next-generation optical formats until at least 2010, or possibly even 2012."
Does a paragraph like this really belong in the system configuration section? Initially it had some purpose when the lack of HDMI was problem HD playback but now it just seems out of place.  Should we eliminate it, move to a another article, what? --Kenn Caesius 16:46, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perhaps the Xbox 360 article, but they haven't even come out with the HD-DVD drive yet. --gatoatigrado 16:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only way you could use it is if you say that you would have to buy an HDMI cable at some point, and yes, with the HD-DVD drive for the Xbox 360. Amish Gramish 02:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I read on some highly unreliable sites that the Xbox 360 may be able to support a HDMI output - the "AV" adapter in the back isn't a direct video port or anything. Actually here's an interview. "We do have the capability to deliver the software and, if needed, the hardware". . There hasn't been much talk about it, so maybe best to wait. --gatoatigrado 08:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I just found this quote: "An HDMI cable is packaged with the premium $600 PS3 units, but it will not be included in the basic, $500 PS3 package."   The Xbox 360 being "possible" to use HDMI is far from actually having customers return their current 360's to refit their consoles for the plug (even if the console already produces 1080p).  I had to get a TV a few months ago because I had none and got an HDTV that supports HDMI (has 2 HDMI inputs) and component video.  Believing HDMI isn't too widespread as an excuse for not including HDMI from the design stage is pretty stupid.  Just shows how short-sighted the 360 people are. LighthouseJ 17:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  stop flaming. --24.7.86.143 02:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop flaming or stop telling it how it is?  Considering no flame war erupted nor was my comment inflammatory, I will assume you don't want me to tell it like it is.  If you took the time to objectively compare the 360 with the PS3 and Wii, you'll see how relatively minor the 360 is over it's predecessor.  The 360 isn't an Xbox v 2.0, it's more like Xbox v 1.2.  Try and draw similarities between the next-gen offerings from Nintendo and Sony and you'll find a very short list.  The short-sightedness is thus demonstrated.  Once developers and owners reach the limitations of the 360 much sooner than the PS3 or Wii, even more people will realize.  Login next time and own up to your comments.  LighthouseJ 15:20, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Login next time and own up to your comments" - this was me, not that it matters. Ideas are more important than people or targets for your aggression. "The 360 isn't an Xbox v 2.0, it's more like Xbox v 1.2", "Just shows how short-sighted the 360 people are." - you are being incredibly insulting to people in the industry. Perhaps you're right, even though the Wii might not even have programmable shaders, somehow their hardware is better; it doesn't matter though. Your discussion of the console before was far less aggressive or deriding. And I do think your comment was "inflammatory"; calling the Microsoft developers "stupid" is completely unproductive to this article. Please continue to avoid using personal attacks. If, similar to other "fanboys," you will not remain WP:CIVIL, I will ask someone else to take my place (e.g. admin). I have no intention of arguing with you; I simply want to ask you to redirect your comments so they can be useful for improving this article. Thank you. --gatoatigrado 02:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  How was it inflammatory, this is a discussion area about the SONY Playstation 3, not the Xbox 360.  Perhaps if I went to Xbox 360's discussion page saying what I said for the sole purpose of starting a fight, *that* would be flaming.  Not only that, but I have studied engineering and design and I can back up my opinions with previous experience in what are good and bad design practices, so yes, I think I have a lot to offer the community, moreso than the casual observer.  I would have thought as much as you want to take the high road here that you would have known the difference between flaming and honest opinions.  At the end of the day, we all have opinions and I feel obligated to make mine known, thus I'm not going to censor myself.  In the same token, you will never find me causing a stir just for the sake of causing trouble.  Are you sure you're not just trying to label my words as flaming just because you don't like what I have to say?  If you don't like what I have to say, then just move on.  LighthouseJ 12:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ICT mention: do we really need it? 

message: Link
Don't know if this info's worthy of this article... --Jack Zhang 06:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The playstation 3 controller has its own article. It is certainly short enough, but already contains Immersion's criticism (at least it should, I put it in a while ago). Thanks for discussing first. --gatoatigrado 06:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: "given that Nintendo has managed to offer the package Kaz is talking about" - this is somewhat speculative. The link you gave isn't the best, except for Hirai's quote. The wii controller uses a different sensor i think. --gatoatigrado 06:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kaz Hirai admits that tilt and rumble can be put together 

message: I think an accessories article needs to be created. The memory adapter picture (and more than a short sentence) and remote should be moved. The copyright on those images should be resolved. --gatoatigrado 06:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There already is a stub article on the memory card adaptor. Nothing on the BD Remote, as far as I can tell. I can't see either subject individually being expanded into a full article, so I'd just dump the BD Remote information in the :Memory Card Adaptor article and rename it as :PlayStation 3 accessories, or something along those lines. Dancter 06:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  accessories 

message: "Unlike the previous DualShock however, this new controller has no vibration feature; Sony says this would interfere with the motion sensor."
It is worth noting that some claim Immersion's lawsuit as another reason (or the real reason) the new controller lacks of vibration feature.  A link to the lawsuit and a mention of this might be appropriate.  http://ps3.ign.com/articles/713/713259p1.html is a reasonably reliable reference if someone adds a mention of the lawsuit in.  Google will happily find many more references.
To quote IGN: "That this litigation is the true cause of Sony's decision to withhold a rumble feature from its new controller has been a popular theory among industry insiders."
128.113.107.52 04:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already mentioned in the accessories page. --gatoatigrado 15:43, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I recall reading somewhere recently that someone from Sony (Kaz?) stated that the comment about feasibility was taken too literally, and that they meant that it wouldn't be possible while keeping the price reasonable. If anyone knows a reliable source reporting the actual quote then perhaps it should be included as well. --Kamasutra 18:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Legally, Sony CAN NOT put rumble in. They can pose all the reasons they want, but the truth is that rumble is missing because of the lawsuit. gspawn 21:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's not really true. The earliest versions of Sony's Dual Analog controller featured a single-level rumble technology that was unrelated to the Immersion rumble. It certainly wasn't as advanced, but it still worked. It was removed due to lack of interest and feasability at the time, then Sony went with Immersion's technology a few years later for their Dual Shock. This is why the Dual Analog controller was not mentioned in the lawsuit. If Sony chose to re-insert that form of rumble, or expand the technology, they could. Thus, it cannot be accurately extrapolated that the lawsuit is the cause of the missing rumble, nor is it our job to speculate as such. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:08, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vibration comment 

message: I intervened earlier about the redirecting issue. Now the article seems to have disappeared. Where is it now? Sr13 19:41, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was deleted per consensus, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PlayStation 4. -- ReyBrujo 19:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[PlayStation 4]], a red link?

message: 2 months ago, i heard of the PlayStation G5 at a intervene interview with Sony, and sony declined that if the Playstatin3 quickly goes out of market, due to it's high price, then they might launch a positive. Could someone please tell me what this means? Is this real, because that is what i heard.StreetFighter 14:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: uh, it probably will not. it would be such a bad move towards their developers. --gatoatigrado 05:08, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PlayStation G5 

message: There is some wrong information according to my understanding, and undue weight. Feel free to discuss here. .
Sixaxis has six degrees of motion sensing - three translational and three rotational. The immersion suit is already in the accessories page. As this page becomes more of an overview, it should be concise. --gatoatigrado 05:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  why i removed this 

message: I changed the wording slightly to refer to the production cost, since the wording makes you wonder if that was the retail price or not. On the subject of that ML report, it seems wildly pessimistic to claim $800 for production costs. Are there any more recent estimates than that Feb 2006 link? I understand yields and supply vs demand might push the price, but it seems absurd to think that Blu-Ray costs Sony $350 in quantities of many millions when Microsoft can release an external HD-DVD at retail for under $200. Blu-Ray & HD-DVD use the same blue diodes and other components so the discrepancy makes no sense. --MagicMoose 09:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It makes good sense considering the current prices on stand-alone blu-ray players. According to various news sources sony had trouble producing adequate quantities of blue diodes which would also drive the price up. Tani unit 19:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The point I was making is that HD-DVD uses blue diodes (just like Blu-Ray) and is subject to virtually identical production costs, yet MS are selling their player for under $200 retail. It seems reasonable to believe that it cost $200 or less for MS to make it (and the packaging, casing, cable, PSU). Therefore the unit price for Sony's internal Blu-Ray drive being manufactured in massive quantities is obviously nowhere near $350.  If the report is that wrong, then it probably gets the other figures wrong too, especially the cost of the Cell processor. Just because some standalone players cost close to $1000 means very little at all - early adopters are always fleeced - and the price of players has already dropped by $400 and will undoubtedly be half again six months from now. --MagicMoose 10:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just because MS can produce diodes cheaply does not mean Sony can do the same. They might have different manufacturesrs, different standards and as a result different yelds and different costs. You base your assumptions on the fact that 360 HD addon costs $200, so it would follow suit that Sony's should be the same. Not necessarily so. Just food for thought. Tani unit 23:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merrill Lynch estimate in release data and pricing 

message: I read from www.play-asia.com that they ASSUMED that PS1/2 games will be region-locked in PS3.
Q: Can the PlayStation3™ play PlayStation™ and PlayStation2™ games?
A: Yes, it has been confirmed that the PS3™ can also play back PlayStation™ and PlayStation2™ software titles. However, no information is available on region lockout. We assume that Japanese PlayStation3™ consoles can only play NTSC/J encoded PS™ and PS2™ games 
--147.197.215.16 18:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not quite sure what is the point of making PS3 games region-free while keeping the lockout on PS1 and PS2 titles. Hopefully they will all be region-free, but so far no-one has bothered to ask that question in the interviews. Tani unit 19:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS1 and PS2 region locked in PS3 

message: Where does this £375 figure come from? I've only heard "£350 or less" and even then the euro price is £335. Should it be changed?New*allusion 19:02, 10 October 2006 (GMT)
:I have also not heard anything about it being £375 and feel it should be removed until it is actually confirmed. Wilester 13:03, 19 October 2006 (GMT)
::I on the other hand have "heard" that the PS3 will retail for a minimum of £400, due to the blu-ray technology and its capability to play both movies and games on this media it is considered a "bargain" as the cheapest blu-ray player available retails at £800 and that only plays movies. A pretty pointless discussion until Sony even confirm their next release date will actually result in a release, let alone the launch price. Caseh 11:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  20GB PS3 UK price 

message: "On October 10, 2006, EB Games and GameStop started taking preorders for the system and games. A minimum $100 deposit was required. It is rumored that there will only be approximately 200,000 systems available at launch instead of the previous 400,000."
No source and a google search + slashdot = no indication that this is even possibly true —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.153.138.70 (talk • contribs) .
: How about this  to start with ? - Chronos 13:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That nowhere says anything about '200,000' systems. It says the 400,000 preorders are sellingo out. 159.153.138.70 17:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourceless in the Marketting section: 

message: Elder Scrolls is listed twice as a launch title. --170.28.224.114 12:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed - Chronos 13:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate 

message: I think this article could really benefit from a history or development section.  The manner in in which HDMI for both configurations and exclusion of the rumble feature are mentioned make it seem like it was always that way.--Kenn Caesius 19:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: those were relatively minor changes. they are not the history of the console. they are merely changing expectations for a future product. --gatoatigrado 04:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  history and/or developement section? 

message: Could anyone explain why the US will get not as many PS3's as stated in the article?(EDIT:it isn't in the article,but it's somewhere) --The jazz musician 23:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shortages

message: apparently xfire will be part of the ps3 online platform. . --gatoatigrado 04:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  news 

message: Can someone comment about the PS3 streaming capabilities.  I know the Xbox 360 is able to stream music and video (only wmv currently) from an external computer/ hard drive that is running Windows Media edition.  
The question is whether the PS3 will have the same capabilities and if DivX would be in consideration for the streaming video? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.112.213.147 (talk • contribs) 15:35, 13 October 2006  (UTC)
: If it has Linux, these are all sort of non-issues. It would completely beat anything Microsoft had to offer in terms of non-gameplay experience. okay, maybe that was a bit biased. It actually might be a problem if there is no i386 emulation though, because mplayer uses stolen binary files to play wmv and qt files. --gatoatigrado 13:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  PS3 streaming capabilities? 

message: See how to open he disc drive, and turn on the power for the ps3, there is NO buttons. Instead you just lay your finger on the logo which represents the disc drive opener, or power button to activate it. I'm sure you guys knew this though right? If not I will add this in tomorrow morning. -TheBird
: That's not exactly accurate. The Playstation 3 uses buttons, but they are flush with the system's casing, like most microwave buttons are. They're still buttons. Ex-Nintendo Employee 22:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Based on the IGN report (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/738/738858p1.html), they could be capacitance switches, though IGN's reporting is somewhat vague, describing them as touch-sensitive buttons. Regardless, this isn't exactly important information. People found the blue LED of the PS2 interesting back in the day, but that isn't mentioned in the :PlayStation 2 article. Dancter 23:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

text: it's worth a mention in some detail article I think. it sounds neat. I saw a monitor with that. --gatoatigrado 03:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  You all know that there are NO buttons on the PS3 right? 

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http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/news/2006/2006-10-17.shtml
: wow thanks for all of this! I will make some edits. I already changed things; please look them over. . --gatoatigrado 15:50, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Press Release 

message: per no supporting argument since the last discussion, I am removing the US prices again. --gatoatigrado 03:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: in the latest discussion, it was decided that the us prices could be removed until an accurate version with regional tax removed and rounded to the nearest $5, as on the Wii page could be calculated. --gatoatigrado 03:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  us prices 

message: i need to know~ moe 17:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  what is the release date in [[kuwait]] 

message: It is true that the lower end PlayStation 3 is about equally capable as the Xbox 360 premium. However the statement restated the lack of other features. I didn't like the magazine from what I saw on their official site (filled with images which try to come close to porn), and the wikipedia article doesn't provide any significant reference to make this non-WP:NN. --gatoatigrado 18:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The only difference between a "core" system and "premium" is the addition of a HDD on the premium system. Hardware specifications outside of this will not alter except for ports and cables I guess. Correct me if I am wrong. Caseh 11:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism revert 

message: The article says "Built-in Wi-Fi".
Does this mean it can be used as a wireless router or that it can recieve a wifi connection through a wireless router?
(Plankton5005 20:48, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that just means it has a wireless adapter (like a computer) allowing it to talk to another wireless router.  If it did have routing capabilties, many Sony would've hyped that up more.  However, since Sony is putting a known linux distribution on there, perhaps we'll see hacks to enable to PS3 to be a router anyway.  I'm looking forward to the massive amount of third-party projects that emerge from the community.  LighthouseJ 01:06, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WIFI Clarification 

message: I would like something that makes more sense. Please vote for a design or add one of your own.
proposal 1
# Software
## Games
### Backwards compatibility
### Game development
## Operating system
### Media bar
### PlayStation Portable Connectivity
### PlayStation Network Platform
### Yellow Dog Linux
proposal 2
# Software
## Games
## Interface
## Network
current
# Software
## Games
## Backwards compatibility
## Software development
## PlayStation Portable Connectivity
## Interface and operating system
### Yellow Dog Linux
## PlayStation Network Platform
* I like proposal 1. This is a fairly detailed article, and trimmed down headings don't look as nice. "Operating system" encompasses all driver features and non-game software. --gatoatigrado 21:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The headings for proposal 2 are from the Xbox 360 article, but I don't think they apply here. The Xbox 360 does not have psp connectivity / yellow dog linux, and the xbox live is large enough to be a separate heading. That could happen with this article, but I think it might be undue weight. There is certainly a lot of interest in the online features, but they are also software. There is always the main article for detailed edits. I think there are too many Xbox live articles, one for marketplace, another for pipeline, etc. If others feel similarly about proposal 2, feel free to delete it. Additions are always welcome; this should be fairly easy to edit. --gatoatigrado 02:01, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  please limit the network articles. Perhaps this is acceptable for Xbox live. I am not experienced in the area. I don't think it would be appropriate for the Playstation Network Platform. Xbox Live, Live Anywhere, Xbox Live Vision Camera, Xbox Live Marketplace, Xbox Live Pipeline, and Xbox Live Arcade are all about the same service, and the pages don't link to each other (i fixed that part). --gatoatigrado 02:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  header arrangement 

message: Does anybody know how good the Blu-ray player will be on the Playstation 3?  If a Blu-ray player is selling for $999.99, then how could you sell the PS3 for $500 (or $600 for the 60GB) and also have the gaming features..just doesn't make sense to me at all.
: Sony is selling the console at a loss, hoping that they will recoup their losses from attached sales. For example, if you were in the market for a next-gen DVD players.  You'd consider a standalone HD DVD player, a standalone Blu-ray player, or buy a Playstation 3 (the successor to the venerable PS2, a high-def player and more, all in one).  The blue-ray player and better processor setup ensures PS3 will be around a long time and Sony needs this to take advantage of Economies of scale.  LighthouseJ 00:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blu-ray quality on the Playstation 3 

message: would it look better to put the launch games in the divided other major titles section and use an asterisk? It may avoid multiple listing. --24.7.86.143 16:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  games section 

message: What if we combined the price table and the features table with a single table outlining "what'll be in the retail box" for the two different trims?  The price by region could be immediately after that.  I think that would be more palatable for the casual viewer perhaps making their mind on what they want to get.  LighthouseJ 18:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rework the "Overall" section 

message: According to IGN's coverage of Gamer's Day 2006, "It was stressed that the only major differences between the two are hard drive space and the compact flash memory slot." Has something changed since E3 when the original differences of hard drive space, WiFi, SD, Memory Stick Duo, and Compact Flash slots were announced? Or has IGN got their information wrong? - ZakuSage 01:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification of differences between $500 and $600 units 

message: Does anyone know if the white / silver consoles in the photos are the final colour scheme? The black fronted Blu-Ray-drives look totally out of place. 87.240.133.252 10:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blu-Ray-Drive cover is black on white & silver models? 

message: This one goes for all 3 sides of this case.
As of Gamer's Day 2006, There can no longer be any speculation of rediculously priced software (ala, rumors of $70-80 games or Meriryll Lynch projections of $99.99 Games), bogus release dates, bogus launch title list, false speculation into the online system, or any other part of the PS3's details.
So lets end the Sony bashing, lets end the Sony hyping, and just wait until November 17th. Deal?
Hassan Bellinger 07:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There hasn't been much vandalism. There is no problem being a "fanboy", there is only a problem when you start flaming or lying. For example, even though a user got very emotionalized about us including the fact the PlayStation 3 (at the time) did not include HDMI cables, I think it could have been a worthy addition. Certainly the way he presented it was undue weight. After a bit of warring by playstation "fanboys", they decided to remove the suggestion the PlayStation 3 is not "hd ready". The discussion ended up removing the entire comment. Lighthouse may have found some information to the contrary, so after looking at that, we should consider whether it should be put in again. --gatoatigrado 01:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversy over rumble has caused a ton of spam on the other message boards. Fortunatly it's not as great here. --Jack Zhang 05:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop the vandalism; Cease the fan-boyism 

message: Shouldn't the fact sheet with false info, that might cause a lawsuit from Microsoft and Nintendo. 
Also here's a link if anyone needs one. http://ps3.qj.net/lawsuit-season-2-nintendo-looking-into-suing-sony-too-/pg/49/aid/70395#commentsSuperway25 02:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony's next gen fact sheet 

message: i've heard that street value (ebay and such) for the ps3 for the day after it comes out is going to be $5,000 and up much like the 360 was, i've also heard that the wii will go to $3,000 because of limited supplies in the US, can anyone confirm or shoot this down? Cubanaso 21:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw a $6000 PS3 on ebay but probably because there will be a bigger PS3 shortage because they are only shipping 400,000 units GrimRepr39 01:03, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next day street value 

message: Does anyone know how many units that Amazon.com is expected to have on the release date of November 19, 2006?
Midessa 22:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quantatity available to Amazon.com at shipment? 

message: The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is a confirmed launch title, so please stop deleting it. Amish Gramish 10:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: probably vandalism. --24.7.86.143 03:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Should that be changed to "Oblivion: The Nights of Nine"? That is what it is providing, as it will launch with some similar title on the PC and Xbox 360. --24.7.86.143 03:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The Nights of Nine is just another faction that will be on the PS3's disc, but will be available for download for the PC and Xbox 360, but all else, it's the same game. Amish Gramish 03:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, if the nights of nine is in the elder scrolls 4 article, i guess that's fine. If there is an alternate title that reveals the additional content (sometimes colons are used) it would be informative. --24.7.86.143 06:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  STOP DELETING OBLIVION 

message: I heard that Sony is making custom models of the PS3 only for valued clients (u know, exclusive people)Is this true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.77.37.165 (talk • contribs) .
:There have been talks of it, which would be like how computers are, they can be upgraded, but nothing has been said for a while. Amish Gramish 06:56, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Custom models of the PS3? 

message: you guys got three days to add this in, or that's it. I will. Zabrak 20:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: something tells me this user is "the bird" from before. uh...do it yourself, with a mention about why (the lack of consoles). --24.7.86.143 21:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The way I see it, Sony is doing this just so they can try and toute even more "sold" systems (since Sony already tries to claim their number of shipped systems as sold, like how they claim the PSP has sold 21 million despite the fact that they have shipped 21 million but only sold about 15 million). TJ Spyke 21:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sony sells rain checks to people of Japan 

message: i read on the internet that the ps3 consumes 380 watts.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=356 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) .
:yes, it does. --Dreaded Walrus 01:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: under load. --24.7.86.143 02:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: No that's just the PSU, not necessarily how much the hardware draws even at maximum load. The XBox 360 PSU says 5 amps at a max of 127V meaning it could draw over 600 watts, but the 360 reportedly only uses 160 watts. Therefore you cannot look at the 3 amps at a max of 127V on the PS3 to determine how much power the device consumes even at peak. And besides the voltage range is from 100-127V. So in Japan that equates to 300 (3A*100V) watts max. All you can say is the hardware may draw up to 300 watts but in reality it's bound to be anywhere between 100 & 200W and that's when it is running full tilt. Wait for someone to measure the power draw and cite the reference because that is the only way you will know what the thing consumes. --MagicMoose 13:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  watts 

message: There has been a lot of discussion about the a shortage in the supply of the PS3's on its launching date of 11/17. I saw this posted on the Google Maps Mania Blog - www.ps3seeker.com. It's a Google Maps mash-up of locations where the PS3 will be sold on opening dates, and also marks all of the midnight launch locations. Seems like it would be a useful tool for those trying to get their hands on a PS3.
Eugene a 22:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It might look like a useful link but it hardly provides any information about the PlayStation 3. It also lists quite a few unverified locations. I think there are only 18 best buy stores actually getting one and this site lists many. Waste of time in my opinion. And in any case I don't think it's appropriate for Wikipedia. --gatoatigrado 06:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Launch Date Shortage

message: You can thank me later - http://ps3.ign.com/articles/743/743937p1.html Zabrak 05:14, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: actually, I really don't care. stop aggrandizing everything you say. Why are you vandalizing this article? We already decided not to add box art. If you have a substantial argument, perhaps the decision can be changed. The other stupid image for criticism is entirely inappropriate. --gatoatigrado 07:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First PS3 Game Case Shots. See the physical packaging for PlayStation 3 games up close and personal.