Talk:East Coast–West Coast hip hop rivalry

message: was 2pac actually considered a legit gangsta rapper? when he was in the digital underground, he did songs like "humpty hump" and "tie the knot". not very thug like. then suddenly, he's a gun totin' gangsta. what gives?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wellcraft11 (talk • contribs) 15:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  "Gangster rap" is a style and subgenre of rap. Similar subgenre at the time was the Mafioso style of rap on the East Coast at the time. Some elements of "gangster rap" is that it is more confrontational than other styles. As such, there is more name dropping in that style or subgenre. These are all different styles of rapping. With styles, one generally maintains a certain style or approach. During different time periods of a Rapper's career, they may switch styles. For instance, the subgenre or style for Tupac's first album, 2Pacalypse Now, was more of a societal and politically conscious. In his Me Against the World, likewise, he didn't use the gangster rap style, rather it was introspective. And contrary to the idiot who proceeded this comment, someone doesn't get shot in a drive by if they are just a "studio gansta" rather than actually being a gangbanger or gangmember.  Ap4lmtree2 (talk) 00:27, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: pac

message: Isn't the East Coast-West Coast rivalry wider than Death Row and Bad Boy? I think it extends to C-N-N's "L.A., L.A.". Tim Ivorson 11:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, never mind no mention of Westside Connection dissing both Common (and his The Bitch in Yoo response), and A Tribe Called Quest. Willink (talk) 18:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: L.A., L.A.

message: This whole page is very messy. The issue of the rivalry are not well set out, nor is the background. For instance many people in the west coast felt that new york, particularly the critics, never gave their artists the respect they gave east coast act. The 2pac/Biggie issue just broke the camel's back. Furthermore I think this stub could be expanded to look at the wider implications of the feud that exist to this day.
Agreed. This is a decent article, but it does have a slight east coast bias, and the sentence referring to Tupac joining Death Row Records and "openly slandering" Bad Boy is definitely something with a distinct east coast POV LoganRage 13:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs A Clean Up 

message: There seems to be a slight favoring of East Coast (Reffering to Notorious B.I.G as Biggie through the article), I think someone should take a good look at the article soon. I would but i'm pushed for time just now
†he Bread 03:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Edited a few of the blurbs about which rappers were involved.  For instance, it was 2Pac's anti-East Coast and calling out of East Coast rappers in interviews that led to Cool J's verse in the "I Shot Ya" remix, which is one battle 2Pac was supposedly told not to pursue, as LL's battle record was legendary.  I've edited a few others for accuracy, as there can be biases in these types of articles.  ThePacMan 23:57, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: An edit

message: It would be nice if this article would discuss some more of the East-West differences beyond simply the geography of where the artist was from or the label that was located in each place. Could discuss differences prevailing in styles or traditions, affiliations...
24.128.62.196 08:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  East-West differences 

message: Errr, the people who wrote this article do realise that all these gangsta personas that gangsta rappers adopt are just to sell records, don't they? What, you think if Snoop Dogg really went around shooting people that he'd sing about it in his songs? My God, I'm amazed at the gullibility of some people. 
After Tupac was murdered, there was an interview with a friend of Tupac's in the TV guide. I can't remember the exact words, but this is pretty close:
"It was just an act [the gangster image], a media thing..."
She had warned him to be careful and said to him "sooner or later you're going to piss someone off."
Holymolytree2 23:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a Load of Nonsense 

message: He wASNT A opposing artist
he dissed pac and the outlawz on a underground tape
so remove his name from that section please  —Preceding unsigned comment added by The4's (talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Puff Daddy(P.Diddy)

message: The lyric in question was "by this industry, I'm trying not to get fucked like 2Pac in jail."  I don't think he was in fact poking fun at 2Pac.  He was saying he is trying not to get fucked by the industry, just as Pac was trying not to get fucked in jail.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.24.242 (talk) 02:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chino XL 

message: This is not true DMX and Kurupt fued did not start until the late 1990s a few years after the East vs. West. Mcanmoocanu 15:56, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DMX 

message: does Burn Hollywood Burn from public enemy have anything to do with this
no this song had more to do with how blacks are portrayed in movies nothing to do with music. KillerSim187 (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burn Hollywood Burn 

message: looking on youtube there seems to be alot of unreleased tracks involving NAS rapping with Deathrow before the beef.  Also,  Deathrow had an east-coast group the street scholars as well as Sam Sneed before the beef. When the beef happened all of these guys were dropped.  This should be noted. KillerSim187 (talk) 18:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NAS/Deathrow 

message: I took the additional material from the "East Coast-West Coast Feud" page and moved it here, then changed that page to a redirect.  Both pages were pretty sad, and we definitely don't need two with nearly identical content. - PianoDan (talk) 17:23, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merged "Feud" with "Rivalry"

message: The Original Research policy states that "All material added to articles on Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable published source, even if not actually attributed in the text." The point of the policy is to not have articles that discuss a person's own belief of what events occurred, etc. Nearly all of the information in this article can be attributed to sources that exist, including books, newspapers, etc. There is no reason to remove the contents of the entire article. Gary King (talk) 02:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: An example are the books found at Google Books when searching for the song "Fuck Compton" that arguably sparked this feud. Gary King (talk) 02:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is certainly in a much sadder state than it once was. Hell, it even looked better three edits after being created, which was nearly four years ago. There should a section on the background, another on the main events, and another on the aftermath and legacy—all of which existed at some point in the article's history. The "participants" section should be taken out, as any important participants will already be mentioned throughout the "background/main events/aftermath" sections. I am tempted to simply reinstate the deleted content. I don't understand why someone would find previous versions violated the original research policy, while the current one does not (there's only one reference provided!). — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 12:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding removal of most of the article's contents because of [[WP:OR|original research policy]] 

message: it says that the 1991 feud (Tim Dog vs West Coast) led up to the murders of BIG and Pac. That's a huge vandalism. The 1995-96 feud started with Tha Dogg Pound's "New York, New York" after The Source incident, and is completely unrelated to the 1991-92 feud (started with 'Fuck Compton" and ended with "Dre Day"). Can anyone change that and make the article look serious?--BubbleBabis (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, anyone can change that. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 12:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: WHAT????????????????

message: This article definitely needs some cleaning up. My favorite sentence was: "Shakur was flirting with a car full of girls to the left of the BMW so he didn't notice the white Cadillac with four black men inside pulling up on their right." According to the Wiki article on 2pac he was "a vehicle occupied by two women pulled up on their right side. Shakur, who was standing up through the sunroof, exchanged words with the two women, and invited them to go to Club 662." Now that could not be considered flirting. Moreover this information is taken from a website Thugz-Network.com which could not be considered as a reliably source. 
If I would make a movie about his life I would surely portray him as a kind of guy who flirts in a gangsta style and the other car is filled with top models, but I somehow doubt that's what really happened.
 Reply to above question:i wrote the end of the fued article i took the notes from http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/shakur_BIG/3b.html and not your suggested thugz-network website.. 
Oh, and even if it happens to be so it should be paraphrased. "Shakur was flirting with a car full of girls." Was the car so hot or what?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Q Plung (talk • contribs) 15:44, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheesy 

message: This article has virtually no sources. It's been cut down before, but the unsourced material keeps coming back. Is there any chance of fixing this article? It violates several core policies so it can't be left as-is. Is it even a notable topic, if no sources have written about it?   Will Beback  talk   05:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've stubbed the article, since there hasn't been any improvements to the sources despite having been tagged years ago and because it concerns living people. We can add more material back as we find reliable sources for it.   Will Beback  talk   05:00, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well this is a very unsatisfactory solution imo. We should keep in the verifiable timeline at the very least, i.e., when x and y diss tracks were released, when Tupac was shot for the first time, when was he killed, when was Biggie killed, etc.Machine Man (talk) 11:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree it's unsatisfactory, but it's also necessary. Material is only verifiable if there are sources. If you'd like to find those sources then feel free to restore the material.   Will Beback  talk   11:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Extremely unsatisfactory, stubbing an article of this importance and notability, of which multiple films, books, and songs have been made about is an erroneous decision, there's an inherent difficulty in verifying these things because of the content, most of which is in the aforementioned films and songs, neither of which can be used as reliable sources on Wikipedia. The article was well constructed but devoid of sources, I don't agree that stubbing it is the right choice, but I also recognize it may be an impossible thing to source reliably given the criteria for reliable sources on Wikipedia. Revrant (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is such an important topic there surely must have been some articles in Rolling Stone or other magazines or newspapers. I bet the articles on related topics, like Tupac Shakur, have sources that'd apply here. The old version is still in the history, so parts can easily be brought back as sources are found.   Will Beback  talk   02:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many sources available on this topic in magazines and books, not just song lyrics. And it is an incredibly important topic -- perhaps one of the most important in the genre. Someone needs to do the research and create a proper entry. Infamous30 (talk) 19:10, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: I see the article has recently been shortened because it had no sources. I'm not sure that's really so useful. I mean, the article is basically nothing and gives no information whatsoever about the rivalry. The sole fact that information are unsourced doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong. Very sad to see this information, which I also read sometime ago, gone. --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it. Just make sure there are sources.   Will Beback  talk   23:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the shortening of this article 

message: There's no other East Coast-West Coast rivalry that I know of. I propose renaming this article to that title for the sake of brevity. Λυδαcιτγ 09:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename? 

message: No mention of Common?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.60.241 (talk) 13:41, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Common-Ice Cube 

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message: It's like we have 2 sections for the same topic, can we merge them. --Aaron106 (talk) 04:18, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to merge Bad Boy vs. Death Row and 2Pac vs. The Notorious B.I.G. 

message: Suge looks like he's stoned in the photo. 69.115.164.74 (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  suge khight photo 

message: Shouldn't Luke be included because of the Cowards in Compton diss track?? 2601:C8:201:1F00:1C23:FDB5:2CDA:CE1C (talk) 04:46, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncle Luke