Talk:Guy Goma BBC interview

message: I just posted a transcript of the interview lifted from the Daily Mail site, but I'm not 100% sure it is not copyrighted.  After all, the Daily Mail didn't write the text, though they did sort of type it out.  If this is a possible CopyVio, someone please do their own transcription of the video, which will be remarkably similar to the Daily Mail's but unquestionably OK for Wikipedia.  BeteNoir 19:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright on Transcript? 

message: Possible for anyone to add a date of when the original interview aired? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.35.25 (talk • contribs) 
* Well, I just checked several stories and none of them listed the date of the actual interview. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, and it should be in the article. -- MisterHand 17:17, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No date? 

message: I don't understand, what's the purpose in deleting such an article ?
it's a great and funny...
Keep: It may well be great and funny, but that doesn't make it encyclopedic or notable, and I can understand it being a candidate for deletion. However, I think that a major mistake by a major broadcaster is important to record. There may be an article someone can suggest we should roll it into, but for now I say keep it. Ringbark 20:43, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are replying from a discussion that took place in 2006. This is not relevant currently. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why delete? 

message: The following websites have been removed per Wikipedia is not a web directory as non-notable:
* guygoma.net -- no Alexa ranking
* guygoma.com -- Alexa traffic rank of 3,497,811 -- MisterHand 12:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose deletion of these websites.  Nobody knows what Alexa means anyway, except computer experts.  In any case, these sites just went up a day or two ago, didn't you know?  Badagnani 12:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the external link guidelines WP:EL. Wikipedia is not a web directory, and it is not the place for you to advertise blogs and/or fansites. -- MisterHand 13:21, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Guy Goma.com claims to be official, and then says if you're Guy Goma please get in touch! In no way is it an authorative website and in no way should it adorn an encyclopedia article. We'd do just as well to link to a Google/Google News search and be done with all sites. --kingboyk 13:26, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm taking this off my watchlist as I'm not willing to edit war over something so trivial, and Badagnani seems quite adamant. However, the fact remains that these are cashin sites (a person becomes famous, net entrepreneurs rush to register his name dot com at 5 bucks a throw - happens all the time), and imho they are not authorative or enyclopedic. --kingboyk 10:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's unfortunate that we lost a good editor on this article over this, and I hope we can work things out soon. -- MisterHand 13:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Comment: neither pass Wikipedia:External links. SaltyWater 10:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I don't think the online petition passes either. I've invited the editor who added them back to the article, so hopefully we can work this out to everybody's satisfaction. -- MisterHand 13:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Read the "top story" on the Guy Goma site and tell me that this type of news is not valuable.  Guy Goma appears to be communicating through this site now.  Badagnani 19:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Non-notable websites 

message: Does any one know if he got the job as data support cleanser at the BBC?--Muchosucko 13:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the news. Last I heard he was too busy to take the job, and then the Immigration service have reportedly said he is an illegal immigrant. --kingboyk 13:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's also mentioned in the article now. -- MisterHand 20:31, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did he get the job? 

message: CNN has just reported that Guy Goma  has his own Wikipedia entry --Ancheta Wis 21:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Holy kamoly -- good job, people.  As with many Wikipedia articles, I think our entry is the finest and most comprehensive English-language article anywhere on the Internet about this subject.  Was this on CNN TV or website?Badagnani 21:35, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent! And to think that this article was put up for AFD shortly after creation! -- MisterHand 12:00, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's getting interesting: GuyGoma.com says he's going to report on the World Cup for Zoo magazine.  Not much to go on yet, though.  Badagnani 12:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Goma Wikipedia article mentioned on CNN

message: Don't understand why it's racist to say that a man has a thick, French accent. He had a thick, French accent. If he was from Scotland, he probably would have had a Scottish accent! Davidcohen75 04:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with this assessment.  It was yet another thing that made viewers (as well as the host of the program, and probably the entire crew) curious as to why this supposedly British Internet expert was speaking in this foreign accent.  Badagnani 05:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  French accent not racist 

message: Do we or do we not know his year of birth? The article says born in 1969 right in the opening. Either he should be in the category 1969 births or that little fact should be taken out.--Thomas.macmillan 01:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read it again.  It says born "c. 1969."  This is common when we know someone's age from a media account, but not the exact birthdate.  It obviously should not be taken out because it's as specific as we can get, but it should not be misrepresented as the actual birthdate unless we have that.  Badagnani 02:52, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Year of birth

message: The info I've seen including I believe from Guy Goma himself suggests wasn't in fact quite sure what was going on even after being introduced and indeed thought it may have been a joke. While he was clearly very shocked when introduced, his answer to the first question suggests he still thought it was part of a job interview since it appears he is answering as to whether he is shocked with what is happening to him rather then about the verdict... Yet the article appears to be suggesting he realised what was going on and that he was on live TV Nil Einne 20:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is article correct?

message: I assume he speaks French as one of or his main native languages and I don't know much about French accents or most African accents. But is his accent really most accurately described as a French one? Or would it be more accurately described as a Congonese (is that the right word?) accent? Nil Einne 20:37, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: French accent?

message: This is a discussion, via e-mail, between two Guy Goma contributors:
From David Cohen to David Badagnani:
Hi, there. How are you? Hope you don't mind my getting in touch.
I'm afraid it's getting a little exhausting correcting Mr Goma's entry. But I was there on the day it took place. Kewney was indeed in a different reception area (Stage Door). The point I was trying to make was that the receptionist, when called on the phone from the News24 area, said that Kewney was in the Main Reception area. The producer went there as directed - as your version stands it suggests the producer foolishly went to the "wrong" reception area, when it wasn't his fault at all. When asked which one was Guy Kewney, the receptionist specifically pointed to Guy Goma. She was asked if she was sure. She said she was. With five minutes to go before "Kewney" was due on air (at 1040 - the business news slot), the producer didn't hang around to chat. He asked Goma if he was Guy Kewney. He said yes. The producer and "Kewney" ( i.e. Goma) ran up the two flights of stairs (rather than taking the lift, which was slower); the producer handed "Kewney" over to the floor manager and got on with his job.
I appreciate none of this is verifiable in the press. But not everything you read in the press is true or has all the facts, not least because no-one who wrote the story was there. I know more about this than anyone on Earth (much as I wish I didn't). I knew from the start that "Kewney" ( i.e. Goma) wasn't a cabbie because when he arrived the back of his suit was soaked from the pouring rain, and because he got the tube home. How can I prove it? Well, unless you get Mr Goma to identify me in a line-up, which aint gonna happen, then you can't. So you can either trust me, or, if that's not enough for you or Wikipedia, you'll have to keep an entry which is inaccurate. Either way, I shall leave it there (unless you have any more questions).
Anyway, excuse my being anal. I think you and all the Wikipedia people do a phenomenal job.
Cheers
DC
P.S My scepticism about the film is simply that the report first appearaed in the UK's Sun newspaper (a notorious tabloid) in August (aka "The Silly Season"). I asked a friend in the industry what he knew, but all he could refer me to was a follow-up article in Variety or Hollywood Reporter (I forget which).
Badagnani replies:
Hi David,
 
Thanks for writing, and giving such detail and background.  So you were there yourself!  And there were only a few minutes until air time.  Of course, it makes perfect sense now.  I think you should post this to the "discussion" page and I think it would satisfy me and the other editors who regularly edit "Guy Goma."  To be honest, because the edit summary said "I know this producer" (which we can't be sure of in the first place) the edits seemed as if the producer, months after the fact, didn't want to look bad and asked you to alter some facts that had already been reported differently to make him look better.  But I trust you -- we want to have the most factual and complete article possible and you're working to do that.
 
I just wonder why there's not a standard waiting area for the program Kewney was to appear on (at the Cleveland radio station I've been on, there's only one such designated place), and why the real Kewney wasn't in that area.  That still doesn't make sense.
 
If it was reported only in the Sun the supposed film may very well be bogus.  It could be qualified with "as reported in the Sun, a UK tabloid,..."
 
Thanks again,
 
David Badagnani
David Cohen replies:
Hey, David. Thanks for getting back to me and for being so trusting.
I must confess to being a little inept at getting to grips with Wikipedia, discussions etc. But I shall try to post this up there later on.
In terms of the BBC - for which I no longer work - there are two reception areas (as we now know) at Television Centre. Following the IRA bomb of a few years back, cars are no longer allowed to drop guests off at the "Main Reception" area, which is diagonally opposite White City underground station. Instead, they must go through security a little further down Wood Lane and drive through the "Horseshoe" (the driveway shaped like a horseshoe). Sometimes guests still come in through Main Reception - they may come with their own car or take the tube. It can be pot luck. Had the receptionist in Main Reception said "no" when the producer phoned down to ask if Guy Kewney was there, the producer would have immediately called the other reception area (Stage Door) to see if he was there.
As it happens, Guy Kewney was already waiting at Stage Door and the receptionist there had indeed alerted News24 that Kewney was there - just that no-one had bothered passing on the message to the Business Producer. It was a concert of cock-ups!
Regards
DC
Did someone remove the link to the video (i.e. the primary source for this incident) from the BBC site?  If so, it should be replaced.  However, many Wikipedia editors, I've found, enjoy removing things from articles, but don't take the time to replace the things they've removed; they simply move on to other articles.  Badagnani 07:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guy Goma clarifications and additional info 

message: Minor quibble W/R/T the quote:
After a commercial break, he took Jimmy Carr's place as host for a few seconds, welcoming the audience back to the show. Everyone on the quiz agreed that Goma was a better host than Carr, eventually leading to the audience and contestants heckling Carr and insulting his ability as a presenter, and chanting "We want Guy, we want Guy," much to the apparent displeasure of the presenter himself.
I viewed a clip of the show in question on YouTube @  http://youtube.com/watch?v=DXrGa3NIUZs
It is apparent to me The host was obviously not upset and playing along with the heckling, (which was clearly done in jest). In fact, he even made several quips about Guy Goma later in the broadcast. Perhaps "apparent should be replaced with "feigned" or something of the like. But as it stands, one gets the impression that the host may have actually been upset, which clearly is not the case.  AJC3 70.118.247.5 20:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 2006 Big Fat Quiz of the Year 

message: I noticed some edits around the transcription in this article. This was discussed some time ago, but no consensus was reached. I am still of the opinion that it should be removed entirely, as it's a copyright violation of the BBC, and not encyclopedic. -- MisterHand (Talk to the Hand|Contribs) 13:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that it is a transcription of a unscripted spontaneous conversation, I doubt whether any claim to copyright would be valid. The actual recording, yes, but not the words spoken. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcription revisited 

message: Is this still notable? Nothing has been seen or heard of this matter for years. Uksam88 (talk) 00:06, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Notability is not temporary -- OboePianist (talk) 00:22, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact it's being covered on a show called The Golden Rules of TV right now. –anemoneprojectors– 17:49, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just in case there was still any doubt, the interview is still being shown on TV. It was on Channel 5's Funniest Ever TV Cock Ups a month ago. — 🌼📽️AnemoneProjectors💬 15:09, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability 

message: This article is about BBC's mistake, not Goma. If the event is notable, Goma is not necessarily notable by extension. "Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. We should generally avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met:
*If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event.
*If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual. Biographies in these cases can give undue weight to the event and conflict with neutral point of view. In such cases, it is usually better to merge the information and redirect the person's name to the event article.
*If the event is not significant or the individual's role was either not substantial or not well documented. John Hinckley, Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant and his role was both substantial and well documented." WP:BLP1E
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Goma is covered only in the context of this event, has otherwise remained low-profile and his role was merely being in the right/wrong place at the right/wrong time. This article should be merged with another appropriate article or, at the very least, renamed for the event. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this article should be renamed for the event but I'm struggling to come up with a suitable title. Does anyone else have any suggestions? January (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is perhaps a case to be made for it being a (proportionately sized!) section in Apple Corps v Apple Computer? --kingboyk (talk) 16:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  When is an article about Guy Goma not "an article about Guy Goma"? 

message: This isn't stated in the article (at least not that I noticed), but my impression is the interviewer became aware (perhaps prompted by someone on the editorial team) that she was interviewing the wrong person and probably cut the interview short. At least she appeared to having problems when introducing the next guest. I had a brief search but couldn't find any sources, can anyone else? Nil Einne (talk) 18:33, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The citations in Karen Bowerman's article shed some light on what happened. Bowerman apparently warned her editor just before they went on air that Goma was "very breathless and nervious" . In  the editor describes how they "scrambled to get the next guest lined up" so they did cut the interview short and went to the next guest early although it seems this was due to concerns about the interviewee's performance, the editor's account doesn't indicate they had realised he wasn't Kewney. January (talk) 21:02, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interviewer became aware 

message: Substituted at 16:53, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: What is that? Sounds an odd job title -- is this for real? If so add an explaino maybe? Is it a janitorial job? Does he wash the machines, or bathe the date support personnel? Does he "cleanse" the data somehow -- take out artifacts in the code or databases? Keep the machine room free of dust? Clean up the department's image? What? Herostratus (talk) 23:47, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Herostratus There's an article about this type of work, which I added: data cleansing. PhotographyEdits (talk) 14:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, thank you. --Herostratus (talk) 21:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  data support cleanser