Talk:Nadsat

message: Butcher's means 'look' and is rhyming slang because butcher's hook rhymes with 'look'
Apples means 'stairs' and is rhyming slang because apples and pears rhymes with 'stairs'
Loaf means 'head' and is rhyming slang because loaf of bread rhymes with 'head'
Charlie means Chaplin but is not rhyming slang, because Chaplin does not rhyme with Chaplain, it IS the same word. It is a simple play on words.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4C28:4000:721:185:26:182:30 (talk) 10:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Charlie Chaplain is not rhyming slang

message: I feel the article would greatly benefit from having the contents of the "Concordance" moved over into this article, perhaps under a secton "Definitions".  It would improve the utility of the article by allowing people reading the book to translate terms.  As nasdat has a limited vocabulary, the list isn't going to get any larger or become unwieldy.  It seems like the "concordance" page is a bit of a backwater, and the information belongs in the wiki article.  Any thoughts? Theinterior (talk) 02:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Moving definitions list from [[wikt:Concordance:A Clockwork Orange|Wictionary:Concordance]]

message: Is Nadsat really a constructed language? Unless Burgesss invented a whole lot more than there is in the book, I think not -- it's a set of slang words: as the article says "Nadsat is in fact not so much a language as a register". Objections / comments before I go ahead? -- Tarquin 11:22 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)
It's not a language, but it is constructed... See if you can somehow stress this in the definition paragraph. --Gabbe 12:24 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)
Also, is 'Cutter' Nadsat?  Only the tramp in the movie uses it (can yer spare some cutter?), and this is supposed to be Alex and co's language - Daveryan 22:17 17 Jun 2003 (UTC).
Cutter is used a lot in the book as money. The nadsat is much more abundant, making it very hard to read for the first couple chapters. --24.51.94.14 23:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Общепринятый перевод- Надсат.SergeyA. (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Is Nadsat really a [[constructed language]]?

message: There's already another article (Nadsat lexicon) which contains most of what's in the Vocabulary section, minus the word origins. I think it makes sense to move the Vocabulary section to the lexicon article and replace it with a link. Anyone agree?
MFNickster 22:34, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa! What happened to the Nadsat lexicon article?? Was it removed for copyvio? Do they have a copyright on all of Russian now? MFNickster 04:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vocabulary Section 

message: I've removed, "(The above passage should be taken with a grain of salt... because whoever wrote it has no fucking idea what he or she is talking about)," from the end of this section in the article. If the author of the removed portion or anyone sharing his or her views would like to write a reasonable cautionary note in the section—one, hopefully, consisting of any sort of rationale and devoid of objectionable language—by all means do so. DTM 03:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say that the "Functions" portion of the article isn't very encyclopedic; it's clearly opinion.  If this represents a predominant critical view of the function of Nadsat in the novel, then references should be provided.  --Starwed 22:37, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Functions of Nadsat" 

message: Compare "It is a transliteration of the Russian suffix for 'teen'." to "The word 'nadsat' itself is the tail of Russian numerals from 11 to 19 (-надцать), a close parallel to the English 'teen'." These seem to contradict each other -- which one is the truth? -- Zawersh 01:14, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somehow, reading it now, it doesn't contradict itself anymore. Oops. Disregard. :) -- Zawersh 07:48, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origins Contradiction? 

message: See here:  Jess Cully 23:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Burgess claims to have "resurrected" the King James "cadence" of English expression. Indeed, the "rhythm" of Alex narration has a formality to it. Perhaps I would prefer to describe it differently to Burgess, say as a "formal discourse register". But one really has simply to accept an author's description of his own intention, lol. Whatever it is called, it is not merely the vocab but an implicit affectation that characterises Alex' speech to my sensitivities. Sometime, undoubtedly a long time from now, I may seek a source that describes this feature of Alex' use of language. Alastair Haines (talk) 07:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  King James Bible influence 

message: At least one translation of Burgess' book into Russian solved the problem of how to illustrate the Nadsat words - by using transliterated, slang English words in places where Burgess used Russian ones.
Can you quote a reference for this? Because I know of a polish translation that used that same method, and was quite innovative about that, but don't know about a russian one —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.176.105.39 (talk) 12:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian translation 

message: I wouldn't call him an anti-hero. An anti-hero is someone who does heroic things in less heroic ways. Alex isn't particularly heroic. JordanZed 14:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-hero? 

message: A few possibilities:
* Cutter/money: rhyming slang for "bread and butter".
* Pan-handle/penis: maybe a coincidence, but in Polish and Ukrainian a pan is a man (honorific title), so this could be a clever joke for a linguist like Burgess
* Skolliwoll/school: schoolboy form of Russian shkola
 —Michael Z. 2007-07-11 04:59 Z
:Agree cutter may be rhyming slang, but unable to substantiate. Could also have its origins indirectly in "bread and honey" (=money). --88.111.128.18 13:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: I can't quite remember where I got this notion, but I do recall once finding out that the reason Nadsat has strong Russian influence is because they believed that eventually the Soviets would rule over Britain, and therefore felt it would come in handy--meaning they might be treated favorably or at least not get killed.
I'm not sure if this is right or not, but it should at least merit some discussion.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.153.132.151 (talk) 01:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link between Nadsat and foreshadowed Soviet invasion 

message: Since a lot of references have been added by now, I've removed the templates. Sinatra (talk) 08:43, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates removed 

message: Dear all, I have reviewed a translated version of the Russian page, here it is.
'Nadsat , Twelve (born Nadsat) - fictional jargon of British teenagers , described by Anthony Burgess dystopia in "A Clockwork Orange ." Has a predominantly Russian base ( shortly before writing the novel writer visited the Soviet Union ) .
Most words nadsata is recorded with the Latin and sometimes distorted words of Russian language (droog « friend », malchik « boy », korova « cow », litso « person », viddy « see "), but there are also borrowings from other sources (eg London cockney slang ) , as well as words invented by Burgess . As a result, the perception and understanding of nadsata significant difficulty for English-speaking reader , colliding with words unfamiliar language , the meaning of which is nowhere in the book does not directly explained .
Language name - Modified ending Russian numerals from " eleven " to " nineteen ". This is explained by the fact that carriers nadsata in " A Clockwork Orange " were teenagers (nadtsatyje) - « teens » (teenagers, literally " nadtsatiletnie ," or abbreviated - " slime », teens).
Translated V.Boshnyaka nadsata most words with the Russian-speaking origin, just was not translated , though tended by the rules of the Russian language («drugi» - friends , «rvatt kogti» - ripping claws, etc.) . This was done with a view to somehow bring challenges the reader to the difficulties of translation of the original reader . In the Russian translation and transliteration changed words , though understandable, but still require some effort.
Author of another translation, E. Sinel'shchikov replaced words written in Cyrillic Russian English words ( "men " - people , " yew " - teeth , "face " - the person , etc.) , but the disadvantage of this version of the translation is that English words are all too familiar to many Russian readers and are widely used in Russian slang .
Anthony Burgess also invented language spoken by primitive people in the film based on the novel Roni Elder "Fight for the fire."
In the film adaptation of the same name by Stanley Kubrick (see A Clockwork Orange ), the heroes of the film visit milk bar «Korova», where they drink milkshakes with psychedelics . The walls are decorated with inscriptions bar «Moloko», «Moloko plus» , etc. '
Note, I got this from Google translate, so it is a little sloppy, but after it has been fully analysed I think we will be able to translate this into proper English.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by HistoryAddict2000 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Text Translated from the Russian version

message: Many English-speakers who had never heard of a song called "Pretty Polly" would be able to tell you that it is a phrase typically taught to a pet parrot. Captain Pedant (talk) 16:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pretty Polly