Talk:Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation

message: Should i include the separate section for the UFO sighting that occured from September 18 to September 24, 1964 in Surabaya, East Java? Alvaro Ivan Daniswara 2017 (talk) 13:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would it be relevant?-- Toddy1 (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, what relevancy is this? Eastfarthingan (talk) 17:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: that sighting occured while the Dwikora operation (during the Indonesia-malaysia confrontation) and some tried to shot down the UFO but failed. The event was known as "UFO Dwikora" Alvaro Ivan Daniswara 2017 (talk) 21:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

text: No, as it's not relevant. You may put it in List of reported UFO sightings though. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asking a question 

message: The article uses the following source to back up a statement in the infobox and elsewhere that British armed forces had 140 killed:
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Note that the Gurkhas were part of the British armed forces, and therefore the claimed figure of 44 Gurkhas killed must be included in the figure for British killed.
Page 10 of UK Armed Forces Operational deaths post World War II lists many conflicts, but the following are relevant to this discussion:
*;"Brunei (GSM) 8 Dec 1962 to 23 Dec 1962"
:"British Forces were deployed by air and sea following an attempted coup against the Sultan of Brunei led by the North Kalimantan National Army which enjoyed strong covert support from Indonesia. The coup was successfully suppressed."
*;"Borneo (GSM) 24 Dec 1962 to 11 Aug 1966"
:"The Indonesian–Malaysian confrontation erupted into a violent conflict which stemmed from Indonesia's opposition to the creation of Malaysia. Initial Indonesian attacks into East Malaysia relied heavily on local volunteers who had been trained by the Indonesian Army, however, when the infiltration forces became more organized, the British responded in 1964 by launching their own covert operations into Indonesian Kalimantan, under the code name Operation Claret."
*;"Malay Peninsula (GSM) 17 Aug 1964 to 11 Aug 1966"
:"This campaign was an extension of the conflict in Borneo where British and Malaysian troops were operating against Indonesian insurgents. In 1964, the Indonesian President decided to attack the Malaysian mainland. Parachute landings were made in Johore while other troops managed to land across the Malacca Straits from Indonesian Sumatra. Between November 1964 and March 1965 there were five attempts to establish guerrilla groups in Johore, all of which failed."
The following table is based on page 8 of UK Armed Forces Operational deaths post World War II, the totals are the same as given on page 4.  
The Wikipedia article defines the Confrontation as starting on 20 January 1963 (p10 of the source says 24 Dec 1962), and treats the :Brunei revolt of 8–17 December 1962 as a different conflict.  The Wikipedia article includes the expansion of the conflict to the Malaysian Peninsula as part of the Confrontation.  The fifth (yellow) column is the total for Borneo plus the Malay Peninsula, which is the definition of the Confrontation used by the Wikipedia article.
Year 	Brunei	Borneo	Malay Peninsula	Borneo + Malay Peninsula
1962 	7     	2     	               	2
1963 	      	29    	               	29
1964 	      	43    	11             	54
1965 	      	47    	19             	66
1966 	      	19    	9              	28
Total	7     	140   	39             	179
I think the correct figure to be quoting from the source is 179 (including Gurkhas).-- Toddy1 (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of British killed 

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