Talk:BM-21 Grad

message: I am concerned that the article title "9K51 Grad" does not appear at all in the lengthy article itself. - cohesion★talk 04:46, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are concerned that the article might be about the wrong weapon or that the designation BM-21 or 9K51 is incorrect, it is not.  As far as I know, BM-21 is the launching vehicle (BM probably stands for "Boyevaya mashina" - "Combat vehicle"), while 9K51 is the whole system including both BM-21 and a fire control system called "Vivariy". The article needs work, though. Bukvoed 10:27, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: There is a proposal here to move this article to a new name.--Pattont/c 20:02, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed move 

message: there is a pic that i put and people keep changing it, it is a much more recent pic, compared to the old one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Midgetman433 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at picture description, it's says "BM-21 on display in Moscow", your new picture was taken in MSPO Poland 2007, and it is WR-40, maybe you should also change description of the photo?--Samez (talk) 20:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The reason why people kept changing it is because that BM-21 is an original Russian variant BM-21, the image of the newer Polish variant is still on the page though, but as I have earlier mentioned, it isn't an original Russian variant. Nohomers48 (talk) 07:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: picture keeps getting changed, and people keep going into an edit war

message: On libyafeb17.com and possibly other sources there are reports of the pro-Gaddhafi Libyan army shooting artillery fire on rebel posts / cities in the form of "grad rockets". Please check whether Libya should be added to the list of operators. 84.188.226.228 (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libya 

message: This article is a start, but an article is needed on the rocket-versions that fit these tubes and their specific differences. There must be Russian drawings available. A big table with dimensions, weights (entire, propellant, payload), construction methods, claimed specs (range, accuracy)?69.72.27.246 (talk) 08:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  rockets? 

message: In the period of the Libyan revolution of 17th of February, Gaddafi's brigades have fired thousands of Grad rockets for four months, starting in march ending in July towards Misurata, killing hundreds of civilians.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.65.90 (talk • contribs) 19:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaddafi used Grad rockets to destroy Misurata 

message: Various rocket types such as the BM-21 Grad system may be used in an anti-ship role in restricted waters such as the Straits of Hormuz.
Their purpose may not necessarily be to sink ships, but rather to degrade their combat capability so that other weapons such as anti-ship missiles and Fast Attack Boats could then be more effective.
By damaging or destroying radars and other electronic sensors on major warships they can be rendered combat ineffective, since the sensors and the associated computer systems which process the information are at the heart of their combat capability.  
There is also the question of sustainability.  Aegis cruisers only carry around 100 missiles, and have to return to port to reload.  One BM-21 Grad rocket launcher can fire 40 rockets in one salvo.  And then do it again in a few minutes.
With sub-munitions in the rocket warheads, the ability to damage or destroy electronic components on naval vessels would be enhanced.  The Fajir-5 rocket launcher is said to be equipped with a naval search radar, so the Iranians may be giving some thought to this use for rocket launchers.
Another thought: helicopter operations could be degraded in an environment where numerous sub-munitions are blanketing the area.Azeh (talk) 01:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-ship Weapon 

message: I'm looking for information about counter-defenses in countries like the USA who might come up against the Grad some day (directly or through allies). Would it be Blackhawks which can fly Nap of the Earth to avoid SAMs and take out Grad batteries? There is the Iron Dome, but considering the number of Grad rockets fired at once it would be impractical in particular for moving troops. -- GreenC 17:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defending against Grad 

message: It is mentioned in the German article about East Germany´s Army NVA that the BM-21 was also used by that Army: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landstreitkr%C3%A4fte_der_NVA#Raketensysteme I suppose it was put out of service after Reunification, as most of the materiel of Soviet origin. Thus, Germany should be mentioned in the map as former user. Does anybody know how many systems were used there? Ernestito (talk) 13:42, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: According to RM-70 GDR had 265 of them out of which 36 were sold to Finland in 1991 & the rest apparently went to Greece, at least according to that article. Ape89 (talk) 16:26, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  East Germany 

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message: There should be a picture of its rocket (unfired / unused) to display the shape, size etc. Venkat TL (talk) 18:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture of its rocket 

message: It appears as if there was some vague attempt to order this section alphabetically, but it may have been chronological. Before I'm WP:BOLD, I thought I'd ask around about a consensus. --Eliyahu S Talk 10:57, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of Variants section 

message: One listed operator is "Kieran Grant". This must be a mistake right? I can't imagine there's a country called Kieran Grant and all other non-state users are listed under their respective nation. So is this just some guy who happens to own a Grad system or has someone just added themself to be funny? 2001:1BA8:170E:BA00:4556:795D:C848:549C (talk) 23:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who's Kieran Grant?