Talk:Social Credit Party (New Zealand)

message: As far as I can see the New Zealand Democratic Party takes a position in the New Zealand political spectrum similar to progressive liberal parties elsewhere. Therefore I included it in the category Liberal parties. I added a simple explanation in the introduction.
Gangulf 10:13, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: liberal party?

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:NewZealandSocialCreditPartyLogo.png

message: Do the Democrats and Social Credit really need seperate pages? They are after all the same party just with a name change? This is especially true now that the Democrats have gone back to promoting themselves with the slogan "Democrats for Social Credit". Things like a list of MP's and Leaders equally apply to both parties. Mattlore 01:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Proposing a merge now, three years later :) Mattlore (talk) 04:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree: They may be the same party, but each article is long enough on its own. Combining the two articles would make a long and unwieldy article that would then have to be broken down into more manageable pieces. The name change is a reasonable breaking point to keep the articles short. Ground Zero | t 13:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem I have is alot of the material overlaps and is sometimes contradictory. For instance the Democratic Party article says that it was founded in 1953, yet doesn't talk about any pre 1985 history. It does however list pre 1985 office holders and election results. The Social Credit article lists the party as "Dissolved 1985, renamed New Zealand Democratic Party" which I think is wrong, the party never dissolved - merely renamed itself. There was no merger or anything like this, it has been the same party the whole way through and therefore all the information should be in one article. If it gets too long then it should be split into articles like History of the New Zealand Democratic Party or something like that. Mattlore (talk) 20:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The problems of overlapping and contradictory material should be addressed - I am not knowledgeable enough about the subject matter to do this. But these issues have nothing to do with merging the articles and then dividing them up again, which does not seem to me to be worthwhile. The closest analogue I can think of is the Conservative Party of Canada (historical), which changed its name in the early 1940s to the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. This was the same party under a new name, but the two articles exist and are of sufficient length that merging them would not be a good idea. Ground Zero | t 01:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: it might be best to focus this article on the period after Social Credit renamed itslef, and push earliermaterial (e.g. election results, party presidents etc) into the article on the Social Credit party. --IdiotSavant (talk) 11:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, either merge the two pages together or make the two cover clear, distinct, periods. eg SCred->1985, 1985->Dems. Although it would be even better if Social Credit could cover right upto Alliance then this page was only post split but I don't really see how thats justifiable. Mattlore (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Democrats v Social Credit

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message: Formal request has been received to merge the article New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit into Social Credit Party (New Zealand); dated: March 2019. Proposer's Rationale: These are two iterations of the same political party which have separate articles. Social Credit renamed themselves as the Democratic Party in 1985 but in 2018 reverted back to being the Social Credit Party. The period as the Democratic Party would be now best served as a separate section in the article for the Social Credit Party. Pinging proposer . Discuss here. Richard3120 (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I support merger. The party leader, Chris Leitch, attempted to merge the articles at the beginning of this year but I reverted it as a cut and paste move, and suggested he get help from the politics workgroup of Wikiproject New Zealand to do it properly. There's no need to leave a stub at New Zealand Democratic Party for Social Credit; it can become a redirect so long as suitable attribution for ocntributors is made.-gadfium 18:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: * Ping didn't work for some reason. Yes, that explains it, recently I saw Beetham under that ticket at . Support but with a footnote explaining those elections (if nothing is in the article about it). If someone puts some solid work into this article then I may appreciate a split into two, or possibly a 'History' article in addition to the main article. J947 (c), at 21:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal