Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 13

message: For the last few days, I've been having problems with an anonymous editor who keeps putting Anime South onto the List of anime conventions. Unfortunately for Anime South, it currently doesn't meet the criteria or the exceptions clause that were established several months ago. The anon first stated that Anime South should be included because they predict that it will have 2,000+ attendees next year. When I shot that down as crystal balling, the anon then tried to state that Anime South was the largest con in the state. That was quickly shot down when I pointed out Metrocon in Tampa, Fl which is far larger. The anon is now trying to state that because there are not other cons within a 300 mile radius, then it should be listed anyways, even though no such exception was was made in the listing criteria.
I highly suspect that the anonymous editor is an Anime South staffer. And though there is a chance that consensus on the listing criteria may change as a result, I really feel that more people need to weigh in on the situation before it deteriorates further. --TheFarix (Talk) 20:34, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The stubborn Anime South editor is back at it again. I'm no longer amused by his attempts to twist the wording of the page's criteria by changing ands into ors. --TheFarix (Talk) 01:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: They are a two year moderately sized convention in the western panhandle of Florida. And I do believe you hit the core of the issue. I think the only reason for this mess is because they want to use the list as a form of advertisement. By being on the list, more people are likely to learn about their convention. Unfortunately, they don't understand that is not what Wikipedia, nor the list, should be about. And to that how the Anime South editor is trying to find some sort of loophole in List of anime conventions' criteria so that Anime South can be listed. First by using a prediction that AS will have 2k+ attendees next year, then saying AS was the largest con in the Florida, then implying that the western panhandle is not part of the same state as the rest of Florida because it's in a different timezone, then attempting to change the criteria by saying that a convention only needs to meet one point instead of all three. --TheFarix (Talk) 04:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Now s/he is removing the unreferenced tag from the Anime South article and adding a speculative sentence of when Anime South 2007 will be, even though I haven't seen a official statement about the date on the Anime South website. It also seems, he is in retaliation mode by adding an unreferenced tag to the Tsubasacon article, an article which I've contributed heavily until a few months ago. But I would really like other peoples comments on the matter. --TheFarix (Talk) 22:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Update: Out of options at finding loopholes in the criteria, s/he makes this argument that the list's criteria is irrelevant because of the list's title. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheFarix (talk • contribs) 02:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comments: [[List of anime conventions]] 

message: Hi everyone, I really don't mean to spam, but I figured it's not everyday that an anime attempts the FAC, so you might want to know that the discussion about Serial Experiments Lain is happening here. Happy holydays to all!--SidiLemine 16:41, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have created a navigational box and a few pages so that the WikiProject can keep a track of all the candidates for Featured articles, Good articles, peer reviews, etc. I'm sick of missing out on contributing because I didn't know that they had started. The only times I have been able to contribute is when someone posts a note on this talk page like this one and the Big O one directly below it. Perhaps having these pages will keep us more organized in reviewing articles. --Squilibob 02:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Serial Experiments Lain has passed FAC, and is now a Featured Article.  Congratulations!  --PresN 20:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: YAY! That's another one. IMHO, having 4-5 FAs in the project would be a great help to have it rolling. i.e., it would make easier to say: "take example on ______ , it has what it takes." My next target is NGE, in case anyone wants to know.--SidiLemine 09:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lain FAC again! 

message: I've been editing The Big O for the past several weeks, and I'm interested in seeing feedback from the members of WikiProject Anime and manga. Also, the article is still assesed as "Start-class." Can anything be done about that? I'm not saying its A or FA yet, but it'd be nice to have an idea where it stands now.--Nohansen 21:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've nominated The Big O for GA-status. I'd like to know what you guys think.--Nohansen 14:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article seems up to snuff now, possibly even FAC material. Please take a minute to voice an opinion here so we can close the nom.--SidiLemine 09:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feedback for The Big O 

message: Does anyone think that it would be a good idea to add a section in each article that explains variations between the anime and manga versions of a particular series? or an explanation of where the manga picks up where the anime left off? I have often found myself finishing an anime and then wanting to read the manga to get the longer story. It might not be necessary to add a whole new section in some cases, but think that the idea should be seriously considered in the editing of anime or manga series articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.152.239.12 (talk) 02:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with this idea is that the sections will be a huge magnet for original research. So it's best to leave it out of any article guidelines. --TheFarix (Talk) 00:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime vs. Manga - Variations 

message: I just posted this on the Infobox talk, but I thought I would post it here too since it also applies to the WikiProject notice.
The Show/Hide ability that was being used with NavFrame was breaking other tables such as the Navbox on the bottom of One Piece. The collapsibility is hard coded in the common javascript file so that any NavFrame would show by default no matter what unless there was more than 2 on the page in which case it would hide no matter what. We wanted our network_other and publisher_other fields to hide no matter what and so we nested two Navframes for each. We also used display:none as a backup. From what I have read any other NavFrames on a page would inherit the style of the first NavFrame. This would break any navbox that would use the NavFrame as they would automatically hide even if the editors wanted them to show by default. I have changed it so that the infobox uses the table style of collapsing. --Squilibob 10:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't the entire point of the One Piece infobox that it be hidden by default? If not then there really is no advantage to making it collapsible from a readership perspective. Good work with the template though. --tjstrf talk 21:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not according to the talk page. Users were asking why it wasn't displaying properly. --Squilibob 00:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In article space, if something at the very tail end of a page is not hidden by default then it may as well not be collapsible. Hiding is used for tables of contents, extra long lists, and other stuff that interferes with the page layout or readability when present in full. There is no point to making it hidden if it's at the very end of the page because it won't screw up anything else. But then, I've always hated the One Piece navbox because it's so unnecessarily huge. --tjstrf talk 00:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collapsing with Show/Hide changes 

message: I just went through and tagged almost all of the anime convention articles as , , and/or . This is a shame because many of these articles are good articles. So I encourage everyone to find and include as many appropriate sources as they can. --TheFarix (Talk) 16:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanx for bringing this up, I'll start working on it now :) --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:24, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anime convention artilces needing sources 

message: I created the Template:Contains Japanese text to mirror that of Template:Contains Chinese text, since obviously the latter is too misleading to use in our articles (even though kanji technically is Chinese text). Should we go ahead and start sticking it in (pretty much) every anime/manga article? It's usually put under the "External links" btw.--SeizureDog 22:09, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good :) if other users like it I'll help you put it in articles --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 23:56, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll be adding this to articles too. --Squilibob 00:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Yet another infobox to add to articles. Could we not incorporate this, and the portal link, into the present animanga infobox? --TheFarix (Talk) 00:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be easy to incorporate into the footer of the infobox, but as SeizureDog said, it usually is placed in the external links section. A separate template could be a good idea though. --Squilibob 00:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Since there weren't really any objections except for TheFarix, im gonna go ahead and start adding this to the articles :) --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 21:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, good point. -- Ned Scott 04:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Contains Japanese text 

message: Just what has happened to the project banner lately? It use to be fairly simple and clean, but now it is a cluttered beast that just doesn't look good. Do we really need the portal link in the banner and do the other links have to be on there, especially when they wrap under normal circumstances? And why does the todo list show up while the page is loading, I don't ever remember it doing that before.
It may be time to just trim the banner down to it essential parts, (intro text, image, and assessment grades) and then discuss what else should be included. --Farix (Talk) 20:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problems with the suggested removal of the To Do list and extra links. I think those things were there before article assessment came along, (but not the portal link). Read the Collapsing with Show/Hide changes section above to see why the to do list is the way it is. --Squilibob 05:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One, the "display:none" will not be inherited by other blocks with the same class. That is just flat out misinformation. Two, I don't think problem you gave with NavFrame will be of much concern on talk pages, where NavFrames are used to hide things instead of display them. And frankly I think the appear-then-disappearing content boxes are far more annoying. --Farix (Talk) 17:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No point in changing it back if it's about to be removed altogether. As long as no one objects we can go ahead and simplify it. --Squilibob 23:36, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject banner 

message: Late last month, we were discussing creating a few task forces, also known as working groups, to handle vast sections of the articles within the WikiProject's scope.
First I like to propose that the many of the decedent WikiProjects should be consolidated under WP:Anime. Those include the Anime and Manga Collaboration of the Week, WikiProject Sailor Moon, and  WikiProject Gundam. The laster two will be turned into Working Groups of WP:Anime. I believe the remaining decedent WikiProjects have scopes that are outside that of WP:Anime, so they should remain as they are.
Along with these two working groups, create the following working groups based on general areas:
*Voice actors (English and Japanese)
*Manga publishers/Mangaka 
*Anime clubs/conventions
*Anime studios
Thoughts? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheFarix (talk • contribs) 18:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would kind of like a visual novels task force as well (or anime games, whatever). I could very likely end up being the only active person, but perhaps help could be gained in articles in which visual novels get adapted (such as Kanon).--SeizureDog 00:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we need some sort of "maintenance" taskforce. A group that will moniter categories, search for new articles, update the requested articles pages, etc. --Kunzite 04:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea of a maintenance task force. We can't always get people to edit the articles or groups of article we want, but we can make it easier to do so. -- Ned Scott 04:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think maybe we should consolidate a lot of the categories we have. Specifically, the genres. It gets a little redundant to list all of the genres for the anime, then all of the genres for the manga. Perhaps still keep the categories, but also make "Genre anime and manga" categories to put most articles in. That way, if the series is only manga or only anime, it can still have use the old categories.--SeizureDog 21:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That might not be a bad idea. However, can we really justify keeping the individual genre anime/manga categories if we create "Genre anime and manga" categories? Also, I remember running across one title were the anime and manga were genres. --Farix (Talk) 23:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it depends. Does the 'and' refer to the fact that the category includes manga only sereis and anime only series of a specific genre? or does it refer only to series that have both manga and anime adaptations? It's hard to word this so it makes sense. Here's an example though: should Believers include a category that says "Romance anime and manga" when it doesn't have an anime? or is that too misleading?--SeizureDog 05:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is particularly misleading, but it could lead to misunderstanding. But at the same time, if you create "Romance anime and manga" under the guise of "consolidating" categories, then you can't justify why the old unconsolidated categories should be kept. After all, my understanding of consolidation is combining categories to reduce the total number you have to maintain, not to create more. --Farix (Talk) 15:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I've seen something interesting done by WP:Comics that we may want to duplicate. Essentially, they incorporated some of the more common cleanup tags that affect their articles into their project banner. (Yes, I know I complained about the cluttered up banner before.) The banner then automatically sorted the article's talk page into one of project's cleanup categories. --Farix (Talk) 23:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Working Groups 

message: I have started the draft for the Conventions Work Group. I settled for just "Conventions" instead of "Anime Conventions" so that we can also cover conventions like MangaNEXT and Comiket which aren't strictly anime conventions. Heck, we may even have a few cosplay conventions that we don't know about either. ;) --Farix (Talk) 23:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Conventions Work Group

message: Hi. Just reminding related projects that Wikipe-tan's birthday is comming up. Celebrations in the temple: Wikipedia_talk:Wikipe-tan/Temple#Happy birthday --GunnarRene 20:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering what all the cakes were about. --Squilibob 05:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought I would include the new image here because it is excellent. --Squilibob 13:39, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay! What's in the box? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by $yD! (talk • contribs) 15:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: School swimsuits! :P Kyaa the Catlord 15:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They'll have to be ordered specially at her size then ;). Maybe bloomers? There's no pool until summer.--SidiLemine 16:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: SHARK! Unbelievable! Aaiaiiaiai! --GunnarRene 14:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipe-tan's birthday 

message: Quick question: Typically, what is used as an article title for a Japanese exclusive anime with a Japanese title in Kanji? Combination 12:26, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) it should be to translate to English. It's also good practice to create a redirect from the Romaji version of the title. The only exceptions are when the subject is better known by its Romaji name then it's translated English name. (e.x. Ai Yori Aoshi) However, articles should never be titled using Kanji. --Farix (Talk) 12:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Japan-exclusive anime don't have English names. Unless they're like NARUTO where the title is Romanized already, the only title that they bear is the Japanese one. Use the Romaji form with a redirect from the translation. As an example of what I mean, look at Ibara no Ō. The English translation is King of Thorns, but since it was never released in English, King of Thorns is not its name. It is a redirect, however. --tjstrf talk 04:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

text: If it's not been translated into English a professional licensor, just use a romanization of the title. (WP:MOS-JA gives Wikipedia's standart method of romanization.) DO NOT title an article with an English-language title that has never been used by a licensor.  We don't want to see things like Kiba sent over to Fang (anime) or Yakitate!! Japan sent to Fresh baked!! National Bread of Japan because that's a translation of the Japanese title.  If the anime has a licensed English-language translation, it's a bit more tricky, but most of the time, we use the English title.  If the anime has a high likelyhood of getting picked up under a certain English  title, but has not yet been picked up by an English language licensor, then use the romanization and the article can be easily redirected when the title is picked up. If you post the name of the series, someone can do the research and/or romanization for you.   --Kunzite 04:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When in doubt just check out what the fansubbers are using. Although not official or anything, considering an almost equal argument could be made for translation or Romaji, it's a bit of a coin toss between the two. As long as there's a redirect there shouldn't be a major issue. -- Ned Scott 05:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming conventions 

message: There are a huge number of Gundam related AfDs up right now (15 at present count). I've included most that I can find on the deletion sorting page however more are bound to show up as a couple of editors have declared a personal campaign to delete these articles.
The problem is that no one has had a chance to evaluate and cleanup the articles in question. Instead, they rather delete site unseen. --Farix (Talk) 14:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not touching these anymore. I did my best for RX-78. Now I have a shadow who followed my contribs and reopened a can of worms I had hoped closed forever on a page outside of his interests. I think I'm done with Wikipedia, this is bullshit. Kyaa the Catlord 14:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Having witnessed the fight at the last AfD, I would tend to say that if no one has yet bothered to make the changes decided back then (lots of merging, a few deletions and some real-world refs adding, if I recall well), maybe the bad guys are right, and these articles aren't that important.--SidiLemine 15:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The guy has now escalated the "war" on WP:GUNDAM onto ANI. Kyaa the Catlord 19:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had to laugh a little when he called it an assumption of bad faith when I pointing out his and the other editors declaration of targeting Gundam articles. --Farix (Talk) 22:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. I think the best course of action to take with this is to ignore him, hope he gets bored and goes away. Its gotten awfully silly and crazy melodramatic. Some of the "claims" being made are just groundless. Seriously, do they even read the policies they tell others to read as a 'warning' (cough threat)? *note this is in no way an attack on anyone, living, dead or animated. It is an observation of behaviour and is spoken in a neutral tone.* Kyaa the Catlord 23:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

text: On some level I disagree with the quality vs. quantity thing. I'd rather have some information on everything I search for than good information at random. But basically that's just relating to things such as films, TV shows, video games, etc. It's annoying to not be able to consistantly find certain things. However, characters and such probably do need to be cut down. Though I'll mention that I voted to keep RX-78 Gundam.--SeizureDog 01:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure the quantity vs quality is about information; more about the articles. Personally, with the same infos, I'd rather have one big article summarizing a whole subject (like the characters of a series) than a dozen stubs. That being said, I'm with SeizureDog when it comes to have all the info I want. To sum it up, I guess I'm a mergist inclusionist :). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by $yD! (talk • contribs) 13:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'm a transwikiist.  If you want to go into the minutia of a fictional show without sourcing, do data-dumps of technical information, and generally not follow wikipedia content guidelines, I think that it's best that the info not be included in Wikipedia.   A specialized wiki and a google search should satisfy your informational requirements.  --Kunzite 05:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Gundam AfDs 

message: I've seen many anime in the seinen section. How can anime be seinen? I know the term is used by manga publishers but I wasn't aware of anime producers using it. ^^; 212.88.94.130 12:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If the anime is based off a seinen manga, it is therefore seinen anime. :P Kyaa the Catlord 12:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same way it can be Shonen. It's the genre. --tjstrf talk 16:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seinen - question

message: I'm looking at the article on Blade of the Immortal. This manga is set in the middle 1780s, in the Edo period. At one point, the article gave the names of the characters in Japanese order, with family name first, consistent with the licensed translation from Dark Horse. The English translation has used the Japanese name order for many years (with some lapses early on). At some later date, the names in the article were all changed to Western order, which I have seen in no other reference on this manga. It looks odd, IMO, and has potential to cause confusion. From what I read in the WP:MOS-JA, the names of historical persons born prior to 1868 should be given in Japanese order, with the family name first. Shouldn't this also apply to anime/manga set prior to 1868? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Madame Manga (talk • contribs) 21:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that yeah, if the setting is explicitly mentioned as pre-Meiji, the names should be Family-Given order, especially if the English translations uses it as well. Rurouni Kenshin applies this standard as well. There was some brouhaha over this issue in regards to Naruto since it's setting has a mix of both pre- and post-Meiji elements as well, but that was settled with some consensus on common usage. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 21:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Since I'm also getting agreement over on the Blade of the Immortal discussion page, I'm going to implement this soon, and put in a note on the page about pre-1868 as an exception to the general Japanese name guideline, similar to the one on the Rurouni Kenshin page. I'd like to add a note on historical settings to the style guidelines as well, but I have no desire to (re)open other people's cans of worms. So if that's likely to cause or raise from the dead any variety of brouhaha, someone please warn me first. --Madame Manga 08:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order of names in anime/manga with historical settings 

message: The project page was disorganized. I have taken a page out of WP:Japan's book and put some things into columns. The drawback is that the page only looks good on resolutions over 800x600, though I think the page needed better links and navigation and this change may neaten things. Does anyone ever look at it? --Squilibob 02:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like it. When I scan a page for a section, I only look at the right-hand side. Now it's too easy for me to entirely miss things on the left side.--SeizureDog 06:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fair enough. Would you rather have all the columns removed or just some? --Squilibob 12:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "Scope" should be returned to the original style (the not part is too far off to the side), and "Participants" and "Awards" as well (I don't like columning of entire sections). Use of columns in "Recognised articles" (images draw attention) and "Articles that require attention" (lots of bold draws attention) is fine though.--SeizureDog 12:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For scope I was thinking of merging the two parts. For example it would say something like manga is part of the project however manhwa isn't. Along those lines, so that the similar topics are together. I don't mind separating the Participants and Awards but I feel that regulars to this WikiProject always skim over those sections anyway. Maybe split and put them further down the project page? --Squilibob 14:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Seems alright as is to me :). Maybe we should have more subpages thought, and a nice box on top telling where to find what, with only the more general informations on the main. I am only sad we lost the nice little box that used to inform us of how many articles we had in each category; it was very encouraging to compare it with other projects. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by $yD! (talk • contribs) 15:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project page organization 

message: People may be interested in the discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gundam#Quality_over_quantity.3F Cheers, Moreschi  Deletion! 14:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like some help with this, if there are any guntaku out there who'd like to assist, I'm not a big Gundam fan so I'd love and appreciate more input. (Heck, I didn't even remember what the Messala was its AfD!) Kyaa the Catlord 00:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quality over quantity? 

message: Unfortunately, we don't have a page to keep track of articles within the scope of the WikiProject that are in [WP:DRV]] (perhaps incorporating it into the delsort page). But I've put up ZGMF-X42S Destiny Gundam up for deletion review so that the page can be unsalted and turned into a redirect. --Farix (Talk) 00:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that all deletion-based discussions should go on that deletion sorting page. --Squilibob 05:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion Review 

message: Umm..hi guys 
I don't think it was there earlier, but on the project page, I just added Wikipedia:WikiProject Dragon Ball to the Related WikiProjects section. This project just had a revival, with some new members taking its helm, and are hoping to fix up Dragon Ball articles =)
But yeah. I just added it there so everyone can know about it. Hope I didn't cause a problem because of it. VelocityEX 05:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Related WikiProjects:WikiProject Dragon Ball 

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Assess updated with an explanation. See if you agree. Also added RahXephon to be assessed. --GunnarRene 19:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updated A Class 

message: I was thinking that we should stop putting sticking article titles in  when the Japanese titles are provided in the infobox. It somewhat breaks the flow of the prose to slap foreign text in as soon as the reader starts. I think removing really helps in tidying up the leads, since the Japanese title is something only a select few are going to be able to even read and is still easily viewed in the infobox. I'm going to start removing it from articles that I've worked on, and if everyone else is fine with it will move on to the rest of articles.--SeizureDog 02:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Drastic example: before and after. Before the article almost didn't even start until the second line.--SeizureDog 03:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Infoboxes aren't supposed to stand alone, actually. It's annoying when you have long titles, but anything in the infobox should be repeated somewhere on the article. --tjstrf talk 03:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I totally object to this being applied to all anime and manga articles and I will likely revert any that I find removed. This needs to be in the lead. The infobox is supposed to be a quick and dirty way to access the data.  If these articles are ever re-produced in a form which omits the infobox or the infobox template is ever deleted, the information will be lost.  Personally, for titles and names like "SAMURAI GIRL リアルバウトハイスクール" it doesn't matter as much.  (The English anime product does have "Samurai Girl" at the head of the title.  I don't understand why it's in the article name, but not in the first sentence of the lead.) --Kunzite 05:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do we bother with babying derivative works? I still don't get the point of those crappy mirror sites; they're always of inferior quality to the main (Wikipedia hosted) article anyways. I've yet to see being "free" do us any good. But whatever, </rant>. --SeizureDog 10:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess that's kin ofa moral question.--SidiLemine 11:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Would I? Perhaps. Would the average reader? No. What about turning them into footnotes instead? If the Japanese title is over a certain length. Is that a suitable middle ground?--SeizureDog 05:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if this is enough of an issue to seek middle ground. -- Ned Scott 07:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title redundacy 

message: A small but significant milestone since it took me (and probably a few others) several months of work creating new articles for all the redlinks that were there. Thanks to everyone who has helped get this article this far. (^_^). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[High School! Kimengumi]] finally free of redlinks! 

message: I just moved the outline for the work group from my sandbox to project space. The work group can now be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Conventions. Anyone who is interested in improving articles on the anime and manga conventions are free to join. --Farix (Talk) 01:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convention Work Group 

message: I ported this article about the French manga publisher over from the French wiki article, but I'm not really familiar with them, and I don't know French. Anyone here know French and want to tackle translating the rest of the article? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Took a stab at translating it. My French is rustier than I thought, and I'm pressed for time.--Monocrat 19:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! The list of titles needs some translated into English, too. There are some that I'm not sure what they are because there's no Japanese on the French articles (or the French articles don't exist). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Tonkam]] 

message: List of RahXephon media is a Featured List Candidate. Disucssion here: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of RahXephon media. --GunnarRene 22:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of RahXephon media is a Featured List Candidate

message: As per SidiLemine's suggestion, I'm putting this article through peer review with the intention of going to WP:FLC.--Nohansen 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of The Big O media]] 

message: The article above is currently being considered for deletion. Please feel free to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buyo (Inuyasha). Thank you. Badbilltucker 18:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, this is why the project maintains a delsort page, which is linked at the top of this talk page, in order to keep them from cluttering up the talk page. --Farix (Talk) 19:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Buyo (Inuyasha)]] being considered for deletion 

message: I just ran across Clarice King Hitt, and noticed this category. What a mess. Related to it is this template which was created improperly and contains incorrect information. Anyone want to sort this out? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a mess. I wonder if the template could be speedied. But go ahead and take it to WP:SFD. You can probably take the category along with it as well since it is being used as a stub category. --Farix (Talk) 03:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How odd. A category turned into an article. That's a new one for me.--SeizureDog 04:18, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not the first time I've seen this. :Category:Kaitō anime use to be the same way. --Farix (Talk) 11:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It strikes me as non-notable. But if you want to keep the information, you could create a lead article for the category and move the text from the category into that. JRSpriggs 12:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I just moved everything in the cat to a correctly titled :Category:Filipino voice actors, and then deleted the empty incorrectly named cat. I also marked it as part of this project as everyone in the category is an anime VA. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's excluded from this project's scope, though: "Companies and staff of those companies that produce the above and companies that produce licensed English translations of the above but not anime voice actors that speak in neither Japanese nor English" --Kunzite 03:34, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oi! What's up with this category? 

message: I have initiated an RFC on the matter of List of anime conventions' criteria at Talk:List of anime conventions#Request for Comment: List of anime conventions' criteria. This is over a dispute about whether the list should continue to maintain the following criteria, or if the criteria should be altered or eliminated. The convention must focus on anime, manga and Japanese culture, must run for at least two days, have at least two thousand attendees, and have held at least two prior conventions and actively planning a third. Exceptions to the attendance criteria will be made when the convention is the largest or only anime convention located within a state, province, or country. And finally, the convention must have an article in the Wikipedia. Secondary disputes include whether the criteria should be mentioned in the list's lead and if Anime South should be included on the list even though it does not meet the list's criteria. --Farix (Talk) 23:09, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment: List of anime conventions' criteria 

message: The "criticism" section of Berry Shirayuki's article looks awfully biased and unencyclopedic. The author she says she goes around to random Tokyo Mew Mew fansites and forums and just sticks their opinions about Berry in that section. Not only does that violate WP:NPOV it also violates WP:NOR. I've talked to the author about this and she refuses to believe it and keeps removing my NPOV check tag... can someone help me here? --Candy-Panda 03:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh believe me, that's definitely original research. Fansites and fan forums are not reliable sources. It should go per WP:NOR. NeoChaosX  (talk, walk) 03:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Berry Shirayuki's "criticism" 

message: *While doing an overhaul for List of Zatch Bell! episodes, a thought occurred to me.  Wouldn't fan-translated titles of anime episodes not yet dubbed into English constitute original research?  IMO, it would be a good idea to replace these titles with romaji of the Japanese title.  Thoughts? JuJube 05:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there any way you could have the unofficial English translations of the titles while making it clear that they are unofficial and so may change when the official translation is done? JRSpriggs 07:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm curious as to why there's no standard; List of Naruto episodes only has English-translated titles of the Japanese episode when the dub title has yet to come out; whereas Yu-Gi-Oh! media and release information has English-translated titles for all the Japanes episodes, but no romaji.  I honestly prefer having just the romaji since it's not debatable (whereas translating it into English will raise the "this guy says this word means that, another guy says it means something else" problem), but that's me.  There should probably be a standard. JuJube 07:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: When making episode lists for titles without English versions, I've often ignored fan-translated titles.  I translate them myself directly from the primary source.  I don't consider translations to be WP:OR as we have an multiple wikiprojects (i.e. WP:PNT) devoted to translation. My current project was to translate the Japanese Wikipedia version of Kiba (anime) to de-cruftify and try to bring Kiba Characters closer to WP:WAF compliance. There are mountains of weird verbage from a now-banned editor that need to be cleaned up. (i.e. "Jesara is a somewhat minor character within the anime due to only being shown within small intervals"). Now, this is closer to OR, because the Japanese wikipedia uses a very narrow interpretation of the GFDL and has a greater restrictions on article sourcing. I'll have to reference the entries with episode citations.  --Kunzite 08:35, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I just did some translations myself based on Kunzite's post, but I'm not sure I'm entirely satisfied. JuJube 10:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh! DannyL has a new name.   I'm rarely satisfied with translations.  Sometimes my translation and the dub were the same, others we took different routes.  i.e. I used "Little Messiah" where they used "Little Saviour" ... I used "Unbreakable Curse" and they used "Unsolved Spell".  eh.  Sometimes episode titles can be a bit tougher especially when they use puns.  Nerima Daikon Brothers is the perfect example.  They've just been translated into English by ADV and I have to add a new column yet.  --Kunzite 00:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about episode titles 

message: I listed Characters of The Big O for peer review. Please, check the article and point out what it needs.--Nohansen 15:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters of The Big O