Talk:Borjigin

message: I removed this as blatant anti-Cixi POV but it was good enough to preserve here: Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang "was an excellent politician who did not to interfere in politics, unlike the notorious Empress Dowager Cixi. However, when the conditions required, she rendered her efforts." —  AjaxSmack    23:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A politician who did not to interfere in politics

message: Why there are no links to such articles as Ashina or Descent from Genghis Khan? --Ghirla-трёп- 13:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned 

message: Since Mongols and Mongolians have never used surnames throughout history, this entire section was nonsense, despite the cited "sources". At best, the information given was a grave misunderstanding, at worst it was an elaborate hoax. I have rewritten it based on a source that actually knows what it is talking about. --Latebird 10:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern relevance 

message: I merged Borjigin with Chingisid, Chinggisid. Although, every Borjigin can't be counted as Chingisid, it is Mongolian Royal family, which was derived from Chingis Khaan's ancestors  as you all know.--Enerelt (talk) 08:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if this is the optimal result. Although the two topics are closely related, they don't describe the same thing. You already noticed that there is only a partial overlap. --Latebird (talk) 12:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chingisid 

message: Does anybody knows the meaning of Borjigin?
I am very curious about the Etymology of Borjigin.
: Bordjigin is just last name, clan name. Grammatically, it is genitive of the word Bordj which is the form of verb word Bordkh which means "to grow", "to expand", "to increase". So, Bordj means "grown", "increased", "became large". And, finally, Bordjigin means "one who belongs to grown up clan".2600:1004:B048:3D46:BCE9:1D97:6FC4:BC4A (talk) 21:09, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are lots of theories around the term. I read that the western writers say that the Borjigin means blue spar color. However, there is also thought that it is derived from the Mongolian word, Boro, meaning brown.--Enerelt (talk) 09:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I read it's a kind of wild duck. Yaan (talk) 11:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wild duck. Sorry Yaan, I have never heard it before. But I read that it may be a gerfalcon. But most of early scholars believe this word is Turkic but not Mongolian. They say it means wolf.--Enerelt (talk) 14:46, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Strangely enough, seems like wild duck is a good candidate. From de Rachewiltz' translation of the Secret History, p. 238: "The etymology of the name Borjigin is uncertain. The unreliable interpretation given by Rasid (borjigin = 'man with dark blue eyes') accounts, through a further misunderstanding, also for the imaginary grey (pmo., mo. boro), or cat's eyes of Cinggis Qan, regularly ascribed to the conqueror by modern authors... More likely, borjigin derives from 'wild duck' + the suffic -gin (~ -kin)." —Joseph RoeTk•Cb, 22:29, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The meaning of Borjigin 

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message: , the above article has no relevance to the article subject. Whether or not the claim was falsfied is irrelevant—the section is about the origin of the name. Obviously a story which involves a woman being impregnated by a dog or a shaft of light is made up (which incidentally makes the claim that "Italian historian Igor de Rachewiltz claimed that the Mongol origins of the early ancestors of Genghis Khan were animals" even weirder, ignoring the fact he's not mentioned in the article in the pages cited). The point is that there is no mention of the term "Borjigin" in the Aigle article, and that to draw a link between the two is WP:SYNTH. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if you are joking, but the cited part of the book is about the genealogy of the clan, how is it not related ? LothofOrkney (talk) 23:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Because it says absolutely nothing. A 14th century chronicler claims a mythical figure made something up; a modern historian claims a myth was a myth; another modern historian claims that a myth said something. The article says nothing about Rashid al-Din's explanation of "borčïqïn", but the text implies that it does. I see another editor has warned you for hounding, so let's not escalate this any further. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:34, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that you struggle to understand what the article is about but I agree that paragraph in itself is badly structured. LothofOrkney (talk) 23:51, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
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