Talk:Existence

message: Our objective. Aldoada (talk) 16:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Existence 47.15.43.65 (talk) 03:32, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is existence a solid system of existence? 

message: I was thinking about implementing changes to this article with the hope of moving it in the direction of GA status. In its current form, it has various problems. The lead is too short and states controversial opinions as facts. The body of the article contains maintenance tags and about half of the text is unsourced. The structure is confusing. It's not clear why there are two separate historical sections ("Historical conceptions" and "Modern approaches") rather than one. For some reason, they are separated by another section called "Predicative nature". It's not clear why the subsection "Semantics" is called "Semantics" and why it is a subsection of the section "Predicative nature".
Based on a short initial review of some reliable sources, I think it would make sense to have a separate section on the nature of existence (is it a property of individuals or not?) and another on what types of existence there are (possible vs actual vs necessary; concrete vs abstract; physical vs mental;...). Some of the current contents of the article could be reorganized to fit into these sections but many would have to be rewritten. It might also be helpful to have more information on the contrast between existence and non-existence as well as the contrast between existence and essence. The discussion of the role of existence in logic should probably be expanded. It should also mention free logic, which has a very different way of dealing with existence.
I was thinking about doing more in-depth research and preparing a draft to fix and implement the ideas pointed out here. I thought it might be a good idea to hear what others think on these issues since this is a difficult topic and preparing a draft could take quite a while. Phlsph7 (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Short update: I started a draft at User:Phlsph7/Existence to address the points discussed above. This draft is still in a rather early stage. It's not yet properly copy-edited, lacks a lead, and has maintenance tags. But it shows roughly the direction in which this is going. I put more focus on a thematic approach and rearranged the topics into different sections with history being only one of them. In the process, I had to rewrite many passages and add additional sources. Some topics were replaced by others. For example, it discusses the 3 marks of existence in general instead of just focusing on Anicca and Nagarjuna. It also includes many new ideas. I would be happy to hear some feedback and other editors are also welcome to make their own changes to the draft. It will still be quite a while before it is ready for mainspace. Phlsph7 (talk) 16:00, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and published the draft. I tried to include most of the ideas from the previous version in this one. Some only survived in summarized form and a few without proper sources did not fit in. Please let me know if you think that some essential information was removed in the process so we can figure out a way to include it in the new version. Other feedback on on possible improvements is also welcome. There are still several minor issues. I intend to resolve them in the next few days. Phlsph7 (talk) 07:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to the article 

message: being and existence has a lot of differences
new article of being is needed 41.121.121.137 (talk) 15:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  being 

message: I need help from someone with a better understanding of the article. Should this be reworded to: For instance, to deny that dinosaurs exist means that the property of being a dinosaur has not been instantiated? User1042💬✒️  15:21, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Your paraphrase is correct and more concise. Normally, it would be preferable. However, I feel that, in this case, the more lengthy expression is better since it makes it more explicit in what sense existence is a property of properties. I slightly reformulated the passage to better clarify this point. Phlsph7 (talk) 17:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  For instance, to deny that dinosaurs exist means that the property of being a dinosaur has the property of not being instantiated.