Talk:Los Zetas

message: I do find this article interesting but it does seem to be a little speculative especially as there are no sources.
- try google news search and the links at the bottom.  if you understand spanish try youtube and mexican news sources. there has been an amazing blackout on the part of u.s. news on drug war violence until lately. -anonymous
* WorldNetDaily is a fringe right-wing newsletter of zero journalistic merit.  Before the 2003 Iraq war began they reported an Iraqi invasion headed toward Israel via Jordan.  Similarly, I don't remember reading a single report about a minuteman getting shot by a sniper, or any other fantastical announcements like Zetas carrying cross border raids in military vehicles full of armed-to-the-teeth narco-mercenaries. If no credible references from mainstream US and Mexican papers can be provided I suggest that this article be deleted or significantly reduced.  March 28, 2005 - Doug
**So you say--71.242.127.31 (talk) 14:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Los Zetas seem to have business dealings with U.S. gangs by providing/smuggling the drugs; I think it does not imply they are active gangs in every named state. If so, I'd like to see and include references to that effect. For the time being, I strongly suggest to exclude 
Category:Gangs in Texas, Category:Gangs in California, Category:Gangs in Florida, Category:Gangs in Chicago, Illinois, Category:Gangs in New York City, Category:Gangs in Detroit, Michigan, Category:Gangs in Louisiana. 
Cheers. BatteryIncluded (talk) 01:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The School of the America's no longer exists...saying that they could have been trained at Benning is very speculative...they would not learn Special Forces Tactics at the Infantry School...for the US that is taught at Ft Bragg, NC...so SF Training goes on at WHINSEC...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.74.36 (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categories 

message: I have assessed this as start class for Military History project but am not entirely convinced this falls into the scope of the project.  This article is about a criminal organization that was started by ex-military personnel, not a military organization itself.  Also their activities are criminal regardless of their tactical and technological sophistication.  --dashiellx (talk) 12:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Military History

message: A couple of notes regarding this article. The training facility for U.S. allies formerly known as the "School of the Americas" is located on Ft. Benning, Georgia. The official name - changed around 1999 or 2000 - is now the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security and Cooperation, or WHInSeC, I believe. Check my nomenclature.
The special operations command at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, might also have training programs for allied troops - no doubt they do. I have no knowledge of this subject.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.138.74.36 (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "School of the Americas" 

message: * Schiller, Dane. "Hot on the cartel trail." Houston Chronicle. January 4, 2011.
* Schiller, Dane. "The most wanted warlords in the hemisphere." Houston Chronicle. September 6, 2010.
**Sidebar of image: "Rafael Caro Quintero was imprisoned in Mexico. He was wanted in the U.S. in the slaying of DEA agent Enrique Camarena."
* Schiller, Dane. "FBI: Texas drug cell trains on own ranch." Houston Chronicle. May 19, 2009.
** Image sidebar: "Suspects identified as belonging to Los Zetas are presented to the media after an arrest in last month in Mexico City."
WhisperToMe (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles

message: Literally they mean the people who kill members from the Zeta Cartel. And have killed numerous Zeta members. 
I believe they are also known as the Caballeros Templares, the Templar Knights.
I think we should add a section or start finding some information about the Anti-Zeta people (Mata Zetas) and debunking their myths. 
I am not signing my name because I rather keep myself anonymous for various reasons.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.76.170 (talk) 03:49, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mata Zetas 

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message: Mexico Fears Rise of Vigilante Justice; Gang's Claim It Killed 35 Violent Traffickers to Help Society Suggests Arrival of Paramilitary Groups in SEPTEMBER 29, 2011 WSJ page A10 in print.  97.87.29.188 (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: More on Talk:Mexican Drug War.  99.181.134.134 (talk) 06:39, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Mata Zetas" resource, Zeta Killers 

message: This is Barrett Brown. The section dealing with OpCartel has several errors, starting with the first sentence, which seems to imply that OpCartel began with me. In fact, it began with a video put out by Anonymous Veracruz which had gotten 250,000 views before I got involved, at which point a number of media outlets had already reported on the kidnapping, the demands, etc. Towards the end, it's claimed that "the whole Anonymous organization" distanced itself from OpCartel. There is absolutely no mechanism by which this could occur, since Anonymous is not an organization in the traditional sense and there is no outlet that "speaks" for it. Between these two major errors are a number of smaller ones, but I'd like to see those addressed first.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.255.103.241 (talk) 00:39, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good. I think there's no better person to take care of this than you, Barrett. Sorry if the info is incorrect or misleading; I take most of the fault, since I was one of the major contributors to that section. I based myself on the sources I had available. Please feel free to take care of the section yourself. Just make sure to cite what you claim to avoid any challenges or removals. Thanks! ComputerJA (talk) 03:18, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  OpCartel 

message: ::Sure, thank you. And thanks to BatteryIncluded and Niteshift36 too. Which title would be appropiate for the section? 'Massacres'? 'Attacks against civilians?' Do you guys have any other suggestions? Thanks. ComputerJA (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How about something like Intimidation and massacres?  - BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:53, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "Intimidation and massacres"? That sounds fair to me too. My name is Mercy11 (talk) 18:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'll take that too. ComputerJA (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Since there are reliable sources for each side of the argument, let's find the balance WP:Balance. Also, remember that Wikipedia describes disputes, but does not engage in them. When editors use contentious labels like "terrorists," there should be enough information to help the readers understand what the controversy is about, which in this case is not available WP:LABEL. We (just like scholars and politicians) will never completely agree on this; however, I feel that defining what the cartels are bests suits in articles like drug cartels, Mexican Drug War, or even in this same article, but in a different section. We can include BOTH sides and say why the Zetas are "terrorist" or why they are simply an "overgrown criminal group" or even an "insurgency." ComputerJA (talk) 18:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Niteshift36, that's why I asked the other users if they had other names for the section. It could also be "Attacks," "killings," "Zeta operatives" or whatever. Check out the al-Qaeda page, and you'll see that they simply put "Attacks" to all the operatives they've carried out (see: Al-Qaeda#attacks and Timeline of al-Qaeda attacks). Anyways, I feel that if we want to decide if the 2011 Tamaulipas massacre was a terrorist attack or not, we should decide it there and individually. When I edited the page, I made sure to include the testimonies of the witnesses, along with what the Zetas said after their arrests and what that the authorities thought about the whole thing. Again, I'm not saying they should not be called terrorists, because you clearly brought RS to the table; I just think the section's name should be changed. What the cartels are deserves a completely different section, because there are counter-arguments as reliable as yours for it. ComputerJA (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Resolution

message: Hey. I wanted to know if it is fine for me to upload the logo of Los Zetas to this article. I uploaded a picture on Horst Overdick's article from the U.S. federal government and it had a logo of Los Zetas. (See:) Here's the logo too: . Is it fine for me to upload it and put it on the infobox? ComputerJA (talk) 03:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think such image is usesul. But it is unknown if it will stay; It depends on the Wikicommons Gestapo. I have had images I created myself or unique original family historical Air Force fotos I have in my possession that I released to the public domain, deleted for trivial reasons or for no reason at all. Give as much info as you can.... y seguira siendo un volado.  Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. Hopefully they do not end up erasing them. Thanks :p ComputerJA (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interesting logo, in use of the "Godfather puppetmaster logo" from the 1972 film , which the hand-and-puppet strings exactly copies. I guess the Mexican drug cartels are a little short of good creative graphic artists. SBHarris 00:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Here's another image  It may be useful. ComputerJA (talk) 05:47, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Los Zetas logo image 

message: The section involving Anonymous is both silly and speculative, and does not deserve the space that it has. I will remove it, and perhaps if it must exist it can with a link to another page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.4.21.127 (talk) 22:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, remove the section. It based on an event that was planned to happen that didn't happened because of another event that wasn't proven to have happened. Doesn't need five paragraphs. --MarsRover (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: MarsRover, feel free to remove it or reduce the section entirely, merging it somewhere else. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 04:59, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous Removal 

message: Until this is confirmed, the information is still a rumor. WP:SPECULATION. Nonetheless, here's an article about the rumored split in the organization. It's pretty interesting. Maybe after it materializes (if it does), this publication can serve the article well.  ComputerJA (talk) 03:39, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Important update by SEMAR: Lazano & Trevinio (Z-40) were never at war: . BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:44, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rumored split in Los Zetas: Lazcano vs. Z-40 

message: no mention of the leader since Morales' arrest? 208.96.87.57 (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noticing. I just added some info on the new leader, Omar Treviño Morales. Thanks, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 03:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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