Talk:De Bruijn sequence

message: to create a de-bruijn sequance, "find an Eularian cycle on a de-bruijn graph" is wrong, because Eularian cycle has to use every "edge" once, but to create a de-bruijn sequance need to use every "node" once on a de-bruijn graph.
the article is correct and you are wrong, 'to create a de-bruijn sequance need to use every "node" once on a de-bruijn graph' is incorrect.
:I think that the article, which now says "by taking an Hamiltonian cycle of a complete graph of order k^n", is wrong. A Hamiltonian cycle over the complete graph is just an ordering of the k^n sequences, but since only some orderings give a de Bruijn sequence, this is meaningless. It should rather say "by taking a Hamiltonian cycle of an n-dimensional de Bruijn graph over k symbols. Am I wrong? --fudo 14:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was wondering the same thing.  Since no-one else seems to have objected here over the past 2+ months, I'll be bold and commit it.  —JLD 20:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Everything you said is correct, except for that "not". In fact, by following an Eulerian cycle over an n-dimensional de Bruijn graph, you obtain a de Bruijn sequence of order n+1. Since it's easy to prove (by the definition) that the n+1-dimensional de Bruijn graph is just the line graph of the n-dimensional one, an Eulerian cycle over the first corresponds exactly to a Hamiltonian cycle over the second one. Try it by yourself. I'll modify slightly the article, leaving your example (which is perfect) as is. --fudo 13:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

text: They are reverses of each other if you mod out by cyclic shifts. Michael Hardy 20:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

message: Why is "de Bruijn sequence" not written as "De Bruijn sequence", with capital D? At least in Dutch, the first character of a name has to be a capital, even if it is something like "de" or "van" (so meneer (mister) De Bruijn, but Nicolaas Govert de Bruijn) and I never learned that that's different in English. And after all, De Bruijn was a Dutchman.DaanAlberga 13:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why is the initial d in lower case at []? Michael Hardy 23:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The initial d only is in lower case when it is _not_ the first letter of his name. In "a de Bruijn sequence", the d _is_ the initial letter of his name. In your reference, the Dutch page about De Bruijn, one can see that as well. When it says "Nicolaas de Bruijn" or something like that, the d is in lower case, and when it just says "De Bruijn", the d is a capital. DaanAlberga 09:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Regardless of use in Dutch, reliable sources capitalize as "de Bruijn sequences". One source is the classic "Shift Register Sequences", Golumb, 1967 p131: "Henceforth, maximum-length shift register sequences are referred to as de Bruijn sequences." Searching Google Books yields dozens of other sources. So I'm going to be bold and change the capitalization on the Wikipedia page to match standard mathematical usage. KenShirriff (talk) 06:09, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree; I can confirm that this capitalization is what Knuth uses too: Volume 4A: many such “de Bruijn cycles” exist (p. 142), A de Bruijn cycle..., Such cycles are commonly called m-ary de Bruijn cycles etc. (p. 302), Our first construction of de Bruijn cycles etc. (pp. 304–308), many places in the book. He also uses "de Bruijn" for the name itself, in Volume 3: In the latter paper, de Bruijn proved that (p. 670), See also de Bruijn’s theorem (p. 671). Shreevatsa (talk) 17:14, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitals

message: For a flat (not wraped application of possitional detection. Arrange for the sequence of zeros to be at one end and ones at the other. i.e. for the sequence from the article 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 change the point where it would but does not wrap so the sequence reads. 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Now you can extend the sequence with e.g. (1 1 1 1 1...) 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 (0 0 0 0 0...) Now if the senser detects it is in an all zero or all one regon it knows it is off the map and in which direction. Note: not worked things out for a 2d map but, if in corners it has a 50% chance of getting one axis incorrect, the corect axis will get it out of the corner where it will head back to the map. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.45.69 (talk) 16:50, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Possitional encoding improvements

message: GKA pointed out my info on its use with fMRI was a bit too complicated for the page, but I thought I'd put the info here, in case someone wanted to expand on it in future.
In an fMRI experiment, activity at certain frequencies is most easy to detect. By selecting the correct order of stimuli, the researcher can ensure the activity changes of interest vary at the most detectable frequency. A subset of the possible De Bruijn cycles will have this feature. In general the de Bruijn cycle allows the experimenter to maximise the statistical power of the experiment, without compromising on counterbalancing. The method also allows the signal caused by carry-over effects to be maximised, if required.
Thanks,
Lionfish0 (talk) 10:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I should also say that I'm happy with the changes GKA made, very nicely summarised :) Lionfish0 (talk) 10:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Use in fMRI

message: I read "Taking A = {0, 1}, there are two distinct B(2, 3): 00010111 and 11101000, one being the reverse or negation of the other."
Maybe I do not understand De Bruijn sequence's definition, but 000, 001, 010, 011, 100, 101, 110 and 111 should all be substrings of 00010111 and 11101000, right? But I cannot find 100 in the 1st one, and I cannot find 001 in the 2nd one. Where is the mistake ? --Gloumouth1 12:29, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I think I understood. The sequence is cyclical. --Gloumouth1 12:32, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misunderstanding 

message: I added an example of how a De Bruijn sequence can be used to get the index of the least significant set bit of a 32-bit unsigned integer which I obtained from  this page. I added it to the Uses section. I am unsure whether this is acceptable. I know from studying chess engines that De Bruijn sequences are used in this way with bitboards to quickly obtain the position of material. Does anybody feel this example is too particularized; does it detract from the more general discussion of De Bruijn sequences? 
RawPotato (talk) 23:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bit Manipulation Example 

message: The link to the mercurial repository which is the source of the code is currently unreachable, and it's probably been unreachable since at least 2012 (according to Google Groups discussions). How can we fix that reference? Do you know an alternate link to the original content?
I have slightly modified the code removing an unneccessary import, adding compatibility with newer Python versions and making it a bit faster and more readable.
I don't known whether it would have been better to ask about this before doing that edit, but when I saw that code I found it could be improved.
Bakuriu (talk) 15:33, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know what the official WP policy is on this, but would a code example in C or pseudo-code not be easier to understand for everyone? Python-specific constructs like "sequence.extend(a[1:p + 1])" aren't really intuitive to readers with a background in other langauges. (Or at least use less Pythonesque Python?) 62.205.85.95 (talk) 06:09, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wrote a C version based on the Python code.  It takes two parameters, an alphabet (length k) and an n value, and writes the sequence directly to stdout as it goes.  For example, ./de_bruijn "abcd" 2 outputs aabacadbbcbdccdd.  I'm not too familiar with Python ranges, but my translation seems to work the same.  It's still not really obvious how it works though... CountingPine (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Code implementation 

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message: The term "subsequence" is incorrectly used throughout the article (including in the picture and in the Python code). "Subsequence" does not mean "substring", which is the correct term here. (Unlike a susbstring, a subsequence need not be a contiguous block of symbols.) — r.e.s. (talk)  04:55, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: And because of this none of the subsequent examples mean anything. 24.20.7.55 (talk) 15:33, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  B(2, 4) notation is never explained