Talk:Nox Arcana

message: Wouldn't it be bettter that we put the Joseph Vargo stuff in a seperate article? Most of the things mentioned in his section are not really related to Nox Arcana. --ZombieCow (talk) 09:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing in this article that has any substance at all is the Billboard ranking for that one album, that's it. All their albums are self-released, the articles on those albums are filled with meaningless blather (none of which derives from independent sources), and the article itself relies on association and weasel words. For instance, Piotrowski worked on a documentary about a woman who was the inspiration for Ghost Whisperer--first of all, so what? second, he worked on it? he directed it or he made coffee for the crew? third, where is the source that proves that he did so? Notability by association is the name of the game here. But you hit the nail on the head: Vargo might be able to have some kind of notability, which is entirely independent from the band's. I'm going to go ahead and make a redirect for him, and perhaps we can get to work. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An article on Vargo has been deleted maybe a half a dozen times; that does not bode well--it usually means there's an article full of unverified hearsay. Again, there is more the appearance of notability here than the reality of it. I'll make a redirect for the other star also. Drmies (talk) 14:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Joseph Vargo

message: Well, Drmies. As you requested I have found citations for descriptions of the music and sound effects. Unfortunately, the person who actually wrote that section was an unsigned user, and an editor who started writing it has been inactive since 2007, so I just did this myself. Most of the descriptions are actually on the band site or on the cd itself, but there's a ton of reviews linked right from the band's website that also mention them. Amazon is also filled with very lengthy descriptions of every song, but I thought that a bit much. I tried to choose a review of each album from a different reviewer each time so as not to double up on any single item. Let me know if that works for you. Ebonyskye (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I also found 2 more refs for the video "Ghosts of Ohio" but this was already referenced in the interview section and in the band's website bio, which also links to a list of all of its production credits. Ebonyskye (talk) 20:41, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Good! That's the way to go. The only problem for anyone who wants to verify is that there are no inline citations: for that one, dense paragraph you have what, a dozen references? Do them individually, and if you really want this to look encyclopedically, use citation templates so the notes will look a lot cleaner. I'll show you what I mean. Keep it up! (BTW, I am not averse to helping or even doing work on some article or other--I just hate being falsely accused of bias and such things.) Drmies (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I looked at the first five references you cited in that long note, which really should be split up. Of those first five, the only one that really looks a bit like a reliable source is Flames Rising--the rest are blogs, with user-submitted material, or newsletters and such that don't look very impressive. So I used that Valentinelli review to beef up one fact from that paragraph. I suggest using not Google but Google News: you're more likely to find decent references. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

text: What about Fangoria... that is a big national horror magazine in the US and overseas. Also morbid outlook and sideline are well known online music publications, National Gamers Guild is also popular as is Gaming Report; both report on major publishers and have been used by other bands for refs. I don't think you should discount these at all, especially if you are not familiar with American press (Sideline is actually in the UK or Europe somewhere). Ebonyskye (talk) 21:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, we are debating the description of music... it does not require a major newspaper like Wallstreet Journal, etc. A user submitted review such as an Amazon review or blog on a well known magazine site is a good source for description. We aren't trying to prove Quantum Physics here, just a General Consensus as to the style of music. Generally speaking it's dark, moody, creepy, evokes a feeling of dread.... what's the big problem? And it looks messy to cite every single solitary word or breaking in the middle of sentences, when we are going for a general overall style description. Ebonyskye (talk) 21:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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message: A rep for the band is currentl ebroiled ina bit of controversy over at ISOhunt.com, after attempting (and succeeding) in getting the band's trademarked material removed. 60.240.41.159 (talk) 20:04, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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