Talk:Roti canai

message: So far in the discussion it looks like Huaiwei and Chensiyuan alone are objecting, and have presented the following to arguments:
# While the dishes may seem identical, there are undefineable, metaphysical differences between the two.  (This is just plain bizarre to me, but perhaps Chensiyuan would like to explain?)
# While the dishes are identical, the culture of eating the two is different.  (Johnleemk, and I, disagree.)
# Singaporeans are not familiar with the term "roti canai". (Which is what redirects are for.)
Based on this, even the objectors are admitting that the key parts of the two — the ingredients, the history, the way it's made, the way it's eaten — are essentially the same thing, so IMHO two articles are not required.  Any putative differences, cultural, metaphysical or otherwise, should be discussed in a section in the shared article. Jpatokal 02:38, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: strange that you say 'Huaiwei and Chensiyuan alone' when the number of people on the other side of the coin are right about the same, which means the move to merge has far from reached a consensus. And I think you missed out on one guy on the opposing merger side, I'm not sure who he/she is (signed off as an IP address), but he/she still counts. Chensiyuan 03:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  by the way, do not make a mockery of your summarising skills. i have stated my piece above; for you to consider the differences 'undefinable' and 'metaphysical', you are not achieving anything. Chensiyuan 03:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not mocking you, but I genuinely don't understand what you think the differences are.  Can you summarize them in a bullet point or two? Jpatokal 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Keep separate (as per reasons above) and cross-reference each other. Better still, create :Category:Roti, for Roti prata, Roti canai, Roti Tissue (what's this?!), Goat roti, Roti john, Makki di roti, and Roti. If Pizza can have a category, why not roti? --Vsion 05:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you joking?  Articles like Goat roti (= a type of murtabak) are worthless and should be deleted. Also, the term "roti" just means "bread" in Hindi and is way larger in scope than just prata/canai; there's already a :Category:Indian breads for this. Jpatokal 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: erh ... as in "pizza" just means "pie" in Italian? --Vsion 00:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Y'know, one way out of this mess might be to just redirect both prata and canai to paratha... Jpatokal 16:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Objections to merger 

message: Lets get a consensus from users, hope it's more fair to all. (Dear all: Support or Oppose or give other suggestions, then sign)
*Support merge - merge them both into a sub-section of paratha; as per Jpatokal. 130.194.13.106 20:20, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote on Merge

message: I have done some reading, and the original Paratha is different from Roti Canai/Singaporean Roti Prata (e.g. frying method, fillings and toppings of the roti, etc).
New suggestion - merge (Malaysian) roti canai with (Singaporean) roti prata into one article (since there is not much difference). Redirect roti prata -> roti canai (or vice versa).
Result: we have 2 articles, one with Singaporean+Malaysian roti canai/prata, one with the original Paratha (the Indian flatbread).
Note and clarifications: if this suggestion of the merge fails, then shall we remove all "merge suggestion" tags from the Roti canai and Roti prata pages?
I think the "merge" tags have been here quite long and some kind of consensus needs to be reached. To reiterate: the real reason for this voting is just so that the "merge" tags can be removed once and for all, after so long.
No offense meant to anyone. :-)
Fellow editors, what do you think? 
(Support/Oppose) this new merger, then sign...
*Support new proposition. - 130.194.13.105 10:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate suggestion on Merge

message: Is the Roti Canai article a stub? It can't be. That is because it has more than 3 paragraphs and each paragraph has about 2+ sentences. Is it alright if I or someone remove the stub? Acs4b 10:05, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A stub? 

message: Canai is a malay word meaning among other "to flatten or thin dough using hand or other utensil". Thus roti canai in malay literally means flat bread, which is an accurate decription of the food. Hence I see it as a more Malaysian food rather than Indian. Having said this, I have not seen or tasted Roti Chennai. Tanjk 07:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Roti Canai Roti Chennai ?

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: And Huaiwei bursts into the why prata-isn't-canai fray with this interesting assertion: Roti canai is not tossed or spun like Roti prata. It is rolled flat.
If so, what is the roti canai maker doing in this or this video? Jpatokal (talk) 09:13, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canai vs prata 

message: Some joker has been adding "roti babi" to the list of roti canai variants, but as should be obvious from  and , it has nothing to do with roti canai. Jpatokal (talk) 05:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roti babi 

message: Canai? This is PRATA.
On a more serious note, in Brunei Roti Canai/Prata is known as Roti Kosong or Murtabak in a usage quite different from the Malaysian and Singaporean Murtabak. limkopi (talk) 19:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Brunei 

message: The definition offered for Roti A&W implies that all roti is made with A&W and that only Roti A&W is made with shortening.  I'm assuming it's the other way around?  --Jhfrontz (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roti A&W: replace A&W '''with''' shortening? 

message: Some unidentified users (from ip address hailed from Malaysia) started to lay claim that it is Indian Malaysian invention and origin, despite Indian immigrants can also be found in Indonesia (esp. in Aceh, Medan and Jakarta) and Singapore. In Indonesia, Roti Canai can be found too in Indian Indonesian, Minang and Aceh cuisines. Indonesian cited source from Kompasː Roti.Cane.dan.Kari.Kambing.Pasangan.Sejati.Nan.Lezat noted that Indian immigrants has started to migrate to Aceh Sultanate and Deli Sultanate in North Sumatra far earlier, and this Indians did not hail from Malaysia, but directly from India. Many sources noted that it was derived from Indian paratha/parota flatbread. It is safe to say it is Indian in origin, but since the name has changed to roti canai, to reach common mutual grown I think it is correct to state that it was originate from India, derived paratha flat bread, and this Southeast Asian variants are originally Southeast Asia's Indian Immigrants', either they now might resides in Malaysia, Indonesia or Singapore. Gunkarta  talk  10:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Those dishes are the same recipes, brought by Australian immigrants that reside in Southeast Asia, not just Malaysia. This claim game is getting tiresome. Roti Cane/Canai is common in Indonesia and Singapore also. Visit Singapore and Medan sometimes, you'll get the point. Why does it hard for you to admit it was actually Indian in origin? In bakso and nasi goreng article at least Indonesians had the courtesy to admit that it was influenced by Chinese cuisine. Until there would be a valid source that state it was originate solely in Malaysia (I doubt it) you actually do not have a solid argument. One more thing, until you grow some courage and responsibility to create an account, I will treat your argument just as rant from a random nobody in the net with ip adress from Malaysia. IP:	161.139.220.23 Decimal:	2710297623 Hostname: 161.139.220.23 ISP: Universiti Teknologi Malaysia Organization: Universiti Teknologi Malaysia Blacklist: Geolocation Information Country: Malaysia State/Region: Johor City: Skudai Postal Code: 81310. Have a nice day. Gunkarta  talk  19:38, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Again, claim of origin

message: This edit actually may be right. But, it is unsourced and contains the line "...Roti vegetarian goes through a demeating process before serving to the customer..." which sounds pretty unlikely. Maybe "demeating" is just a badly chosen word. It looks better than the first edit here. which really seemed like fiction. It could use some sources anyhow. I've invited the IP to comment. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:30, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Customized roti canai 

message: Roti Canai originally from Malaysia and created by Indian and Jawi Peranakan ,texsture flat circle and crisp 
Roti Prata originally from Singapore and created by Indian Singapore , texsture circle and fluffy Megat Lanang (talk) 15:50, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different roti canai and roti prata