Talk:Johnny Cash family

message: You might notice by the history of this page that I've made it a goal to chop this up and move sections to the relevant pages like Johnny Cash discography or individual albums' pages.  I'll eventually move what's left to Johnny Cash family or Carter Cash family or something and expand it to discuss individual members of the immediate and extended family and provide links to their respective pages.  I'll probably just zap the external links section if that's ok with everybody.  Alcuin 13:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Johnny Cash lists]] seems like a bad idea for a page 

message: Ok, I've gone ahead and moved any remaining worthy information from Johnny Cash lists to the appropriate articles and moved what was left here.  The article doesn't look like much yet, but I do intend to expand it, and convert it into text, not just a chart and lists.  I fully welcome the help of anyone interested.  Alcuin 14:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs to be expanded 

message: I will lay out a case for eliminating this article.
Point 1: This article (Johnny Cash family) is marked with a suggestion that it be merged into "Johnny Cash." The invitation to discuss that suggestion links to the Johnny Cash discussion page, rather than to this discussion page. A bit of discussion has been recorded there but seems to have died off. On the other hand, this discussion page has no mention of the merge suggestion. I am hereby restarting and fleshing out that suggestion.
Point 2: This discussion page seems to be entirely moot. The remaining entries (both by user Alcuin made over a year ago) are about "Johnny Cash lists," "Johnny Cash discography," and (the non-existing) "Carter Cash family." I believe the suggestions are either accomplished long ago, or overtaken by other changes, or no longer relevant. Net: this discussion page is a fossil. 
Point 3: A comprehensive article covering the entire Carter-Cash dynasty, its history, its significance to popular music, its influences, etc. might well be worthwhile. The present article isn't that. Instead it's a miscellany of remnants, picked over and left behind by the editors of various (superior) related articles. 
Point 4: All the information in this article either does already exist elsewhere or could be better placed elsewhere. The opening paragraph comprises a few statements about Johnny Cash. The section called "Heritage and early years" is mainly about Johhny Cash and could be merged into that article. Same with the section called "First marriage." The secion called "June Carter" is a mix of stuff about the Carter family, Mother Maybelle, June, etc. The section called "Grandchildren" belongs to Johnny's article. And finally, the family tree is as much about the Carter family as it is about Johnny Cash's. 
Ok, there it is. Other thoughts?  Hult041956 17:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps a year ago someone decided that the Johnny Cash page was too long, and several sections of that page were moved from there to a new page, Johnny Cash lists, which was a hodgepodge of information that was deemed too arcane or specific for the main article.  I later chopped up the Johnny Cash lists page, moving sections to the relevant album pages or elsewhere.  What remained was a couple paragraphs about his childhood cut from the main page, and information about his relationship with his relatives.  I therefore changed the title from Johnny Cash lists to Johnny Cash family.  Since then, this page hasn't really grown very organically, as it seems it sees little traffic.  I'm open to ideas on what to do with it.  Neither the status quo, nor a merger into the main page seem ideal to me.  In any case, I'm happy with anything you'd like to do with it.  Be bold.  Alcuin 19:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On second thought, I do support merging it into the Johnny Cash page.  Alcuin 19:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Dear Alcuin, I'm glad to see you responded to my suggstion; I was hoping you would. Thanks for the history. It makes sense now. I will "be bold" and see whether I can't make something better out of this. For now though, I'm going to mull it over a bit. I may put another post on this talk page with a set of proposed moves. (Cause it's time I quit for the day.) Hult041956 00:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge into Johnny Cash & elsewhere 

message: Based on the above discussion (and dare I say consensus?), I now propose to carry out the following moves of this article's remaining content into various other articles.  (There are eight items listed, each with a proposed resolution.) Speak up if you disagree. Hult041956 02:25, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You don't need anyone's approval make an edit.  Nevertheless you've got my full support.  Be bold and make it happen already.  Alcuin 03:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, it's done!  I moved anything worth saving into Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, and Carter Family, pretty nearly according to the plan presented above.  Now, what should become of this page? Many pages linked here, but usually because the  navigation template did so.  I removed the link in that template, to reduce the number of links-to-here. Can this page simply be deleted?  Must an admin do that?  Hult041956 22:51, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merge-to, each paragraph

message: After reaching consensus through discussion (above) on this talk page, I merged all remaining content of "Johnny Cash family" into Johnny Cash, June Carter Cash, and Carter Family. I also changed the Johnny Cash navigation template so that it has no link to "Johnny Cash family". The link in that template was the source of most links to the article. Here and there were a few other links to it, which I also removed. After this, Alcuin converted the (now empty) article to a redirect page. This is how it should remain.  Finis.  Hult041956 16:50, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disposition