Talk:Lohengrin (opera)

message: The statement that Lohengrin tarried only to prove Elsa innocent makes no sense.  She was declared innocent two acts ago, and they were married!  The real reason he tarried was that he thought the people deserved an explanation for why he had to leave (violating his marriage vow to Elsa and his feudal oath to the King).
76.122.75.11 (talk) 20:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  only tarried to--? 

message: Should the article mention that the opera is written in German? I know that's obvious to Wagner experts, but this is an encyclopedia for the masses. 76.173.99.102 (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: In German

message: I went through the sea of red linked singers in the Performance history section checking for incoming links. I'd recommend keeping the following:
Gabrielle KraussÉtienne TroyAnna D'AngeriAuguste VianesiGiuseppe KaschmannCaroline Fiérens-PetersCharles DouaillierMaurice-Arnold Renaud
They are all linked from Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics and/or were role-creators in other operas. I think the rest could be usefully de-linked. Voceditenore (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: De-linked the rest. --GuillaumeTell 18:17, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  sea of red links  

message: I'm transferring the following comment by User:Kenw44wiki here to the talk page. It had been placed in the article itself.
"I believe the Keilberth recording features Elenor Steber as Elsa, not Birgit Nilsson"
Voceditenore (talk) 07:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recordings comment 

message: Proposing that Ortrud be merged into this article. Normally we don't have articles on fictional characters that don't have a literature of their own (as, for example, Lohengrin obviously does have). The Ortrud article is exclusively concerned with the opera. Kleinzach 02:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no one has objected to the merger proposal in more than a year, I have completed the merger. Neelix (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The subsequent move of Lohengrin (opera) to Lohengrin (Wagner) was unnecessary and not supported by Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines#Operas: disambiguation. Wide-ranging moves like these ought to be discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The controversial move has been discussed here and here and has now been reverted. Prhartcom (talk) 05:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal/[[Ortrud]] to this article 

message: I have reverted the infobox to the previous template, as there should have been a discussion on this page first. As there have been a number of one-off insertions of infoboxes in Wagnerian operas, I am raising the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner.--Smerus (talk) 10:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: In the printed score on page 267 at the end of the second act Wagner specifies 10 (visible) on-stage trumpets as follows:
3 trumpets in C on the right (auf dem Thurme rechts), 
3 trumpets in C on the left (auf dem Söller links) and 
4 trumpets in C in front of the palace (vor dem Palast).
 
Additionally, in the orchestral interlude of act III scene 3 on page 321 Wagner needs 12 trumpets approaching from different directions (left-right) in the backstage as follows:
2 trumpets in E-flat (Es), 
2 trumpets in F, 
2 trumpets in D, 
2 trumpets in E and 
4 trumpets in C.
 
In both scenes there are 3 trumpets in C in the pit, so a performance of the full score requires 15 trumpet players playing in turn 21 different instruments as follows:
13 trumpets in C, 
2 trumpets in D, 
2 trumpets in E flat, 
2 trumpets in E and 
2 trumpets in F.
 
I would appreciate if one the editors of this page could check the facts and make the appropriate corrections. I am using a 1982 Dover reprint of the 1877 Neue Ausgabe of Breitkopf & Härtel, Leipzig.
regards
Jorma Koskinen  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jormakos (talk • contribs) 15:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: 3 Instrumentation, on-stage

message: May someone tell me why the opera has been removed from this category? While it is true that the entire opera is not a patriotic one, at least the beginning of act III qualifies as patriotic music. -- Orthographicus (talk) 06:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal from Category ''German patriotic songs'' 

message: Substituted at 22:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Whatever the translation of Neuschwanstein (I wouldn't translate it at all, we have a link), I don't believe this place is lead material when the lead contains so little about the work itself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Swan 

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message: I've added the history of the opera's composition. I have moved the existing material into a new section called 'Musical Style' which is in keeping with heading in Millington's Compendium.
--Flourbomb (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Composition 

message: Now that the connoisseurs and specialists have filled the  article with inexpressible levels of detail, could I, speaking as a user of the reference, suggest that it is more user-friendly to move the Synopsis from #7, to #2, right after the Contents box.  Most people seeking information here will want to start with what the Opera IS, a story about two people etc., and later get into its origins and after that the details of how it was composed, its structure, etc.  Thank you.
~dpablo, seattle, wa usa  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:9200:B330:8529:5804:81FB:7D20 (talk) 22:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: What do others think of this fact and reference:
There was however an 1881 French performance given as a Benefit, in the Cercle de la Méditerranée Salon at Nice, organized by Sophie Cruvelli, in which she took the role of Elsa.
ref: Elizabeth Forbes, 'Sophie Cruvelli' (short biography) , Arts.jrank.org Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruvelli