Talk:Comparison of vector graphics editors

message: Sketchup doesn't belong in this list. It's a 3D program, not a vector graphics one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.5.232.14 (talk) 21:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Google

message: In the general table, the names Corel and Adobe have a link while OpenOffice and Inkscape Team doesn't have a link. There is however a good community website for both of those projects. When checking the source code from the general table for updating some information. I see that there is no link where the names adobe and Corel are, how does this works? Thelennonorth (talk) 14:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, those are wikilinks. When you click Adobe or Corel in the table, you'll open their pages on Wikipedia that discuss both companies. Wikilinks are created by putting double square brackets ( and ) around a term that has a page on Wikipedia. For more info check Wikipedia:Tutorial (Wikipedia links) and Help:Link. — A. Rad (talk) 07:32, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about table links 

message: == Impartiality ==
Oh boy. In its current state, the article is pretty much a joke. No real comparison between apps is being made. I added some links and put it into a sensible stub category. I'm afraid I don't know anything about the various editors, so I can't put even a stub-worthy amount of information into this. --Moritz 9 July 2005 13:31 (UTC)
:*What this article really needs, to be worthy of its current title is a table actually comparing the features of the programs depending on certain criteria. An example of this is in the Comparison of operating systems and Comparison of text editors articles, but comparing just CorelDraw and Illustrator wouldn't be very informative to say it's comparing all vector graphics editors - So Freehand should be added as well. --Wackymacs 07:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That prose at the beginning of the article was added by one user, and I guess no one else noticed. I was going to fix it up but it slipped my mind and never got done. So feel free to go on and heaviy modify and change the text, as it is not the result of several editors going over it but rather just one persons opinion. Qutezuce 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think marking open source software with a green "yes" and closed source with a red "no" also violates NPOV.  Doing it this way makes it look like a feature, as most of the other things that have that are.  I am going to remove the color for now.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Open source is a feature, because it facilitates modifications that would otherwise be impossible. Cburke91 (talk) 06:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I ended up just deleting the whole column and making notes on the free ones.  The column was redundant anyway, considering the license column.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Oppose. For all major types of software, we have a "what is" article, a list article, and a comparison article. They are different for a reason. Vector graphics editors should not be an exception. Trapolator 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article aim and impartiality 

message: Oh boy. In its current state, the article is pretty much a joke. No real comparison between apps is being made. I added some links and put it into a sensible stub category. I'm afraid I don't know anything about the various editors, so I can't put even a stub-worthy amount of information into this. --Moritz 9 July 2005 13:31 (UTC)
:*What this article really needs, to be worthy of its current title is a table actually comparing the features of the programs depending on certain criteria. An example of this is in the Comparison of operating systems and Comparison of text editors articles, but comparing just CorelDraw and Illustrator wouldn't be very informative to say it's comparing all vector graphics editors - So Freehand should be added as well. --Wackymacs 07:39, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: That prose at the beginning of the article was added by one user, and I guess no one else noticed. I was going to fix it up but it slipped my mind and never got done. So feel free to go on and heaviy modify and change the text, as it is not the result of several editors going over it but rather just one persons opinion. Qutezuce 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think marking open source software with a green "yes" and closed source with a red "no" also violates NPOV.  Doing it this way makes it look like a feature, as most of the other things that have that are.  I am going to remove the color for now.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Open source is a feature, because it facilitates modifications that would otherwise be impossible. Cburke91 (talk) 06:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I ended up just deleting the whole column and making notes on the free ones.  The column was redundant anyway, considering the license column.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impartiality 

message: It seems like there is a significant bias in the tone adopted toward the various programs discussed here.  Illustrator is the industry standard for a reason, and after the learning curve it is a more powerful program than the open-source options.  It seems to me like the Inkscape hype should be toned down, and the Illustrator section fleshed out, if this article intends to be an honest comparison.  Each Inkscape feature mentioned as notable has been included in Illustrator for several years.  It seems misleading to gush about Inkscape's use of SVG, and criticize for only adopting SVG "recently", given that Adobe has been involved in the definition of SVG longer than Inkscape has existed as a product.  I appreciate that open source software is beneficial to the society, but this article should attempt neutrality. --jacobolus (t) 14:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That prose at the beginning of the article was added by one user, and I guess no one else noticed. I was going to fix it up but it slipped my mind and never got done. So feel free to go on and heaviy modify and change the text, as it is not the result of several editors going over it but rather just one persons opinion. Qutezuce 05:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I think marking open source software with a green "yes" and closed source with a red "no" also violates NPOV.  Doing it this way makes it look like a feature, as most of the other things that have that are.  I am going to remove the color for now.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:15, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

text: I disagree. Open source is a feature, because it facilitates modifications that would otherwise be impossible. Cburke91 (talk) 06:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I ended up just deleting the whole column and making notes on the free ones.  The column was redundant anyway, considering the license column.  Asmeurer (talk  ♬ contribs) 03:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong free program bias? 

message: === Rewrite ===
I rewrote the intro, removing the redundant "what is vector" and "what is SVG" information that is plentiful elsewhere. This article must primarily consist of tables with a brief intro. I'm also going to remove the paragraphs on individual edutors, moving that information if necessary to those editor's articles. Trapolator 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Aim 

message: I rewrote the intro, removing the redundant "what is vector" and "what is SVG" information that is plentiful elsewhere. This article must primarily consist of tables with a brief intro. I'm also going to remove the paragraphs on individual edutors, moving that information if necessary to those editor's articles. Trapolator 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I tried to fix what I thought were the most blatant problems, and added a couple more apps to flesh out the description.  I didn't put them in the chart, though someone probably should.  There is still much to do to fix this article up.  There is currently no mention of PS/PDF, which are still the dominant outputs from vector graphics editors.  SVG is nice, which is why both open source developers and Adobe support the standard, but PDF is still far more common.--jacobolus (t) 14:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: I've requested a move to vector graphics editors, as that is the proper encyclopedic name for an article on vector graphics editors.  —donhalcon╤ 17:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose. For all major types of software, we have a "what is" article, a list article, and a comparison article. They are different for a reason. Vector graphics editors should not be an exception. Trapolator 02:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: How to determine the maximum objects count? I'm sure most have this unlimited, i.e. the actual limit depends on the computer memory. How can we compare this parameter objectively??
: Control points are the points used to control the objects, e.g. the points that form a line or path. Maybe there is a better term for this I don't know. I don't have much knowledge on vector editors, I just made a simple table that others can make more complete. It was difficult to make up the points that the editors could be compared on, because mostly all the modern editors can do all the basic stuff. Maybe a table with advanced features can show the differences better. One thing that should be added at least is file formats. --WS 00:06, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "control point limit"? 

message: Including linux, Bsd and "unix" is a bit misleading given the similarities between those OS.
BeOS could be included.
:* I think this is a bad move because this is how it is on the comparison of text editors page. Adding BeOS would be a waste of time because these editors were never made for BeOS anyway, and the original BeOS is 10 years old now. — Wackymacs 06:40, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: * I think that conflating GNU/Linux and Unix-derived environments into "Unix" was such a bad move that it should be fixed. GNU/Linux and Unix-derived systems are different - they have completely different code bases, are maintained by different people, and have almost nothing in common except at the user-interface level. I seriously doubt whether all the editors which the article says run on "Unix" have actually been built and run on both GNU/Linux and (say) Solaris.  Barbacana (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  OS comparison 

message: What is the extension that enables importing EPS to Inkscape? --Hautala 18:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For that matter, is there really something that enables importing PDF to Inkscape? The wiki on the topic has said no for over a year. I'm changing the Inkscape/PDF import cell to No unless there's a cite.--Goldfndr 17:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The devel versions can now import PDFs, don't know about EPS. --212.149.190.135 10:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Version 0.46 (released in March) supports PDF import.  I wasn't sure if the wiki should be cited.  Looks like PS support is still via external scripts, so "Partial" seems appropriate there. Proxima (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importing EPS/PDF to Inkscape? 

message: :SmartDraw is a vector graphics production environment, competing with the Visio, is missing.   --dond (talk) 17:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  SmartDraw - missing 

message: :MS Visio is a vector graphics production environment, is missing.   --dond (talk) 17:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visio - missing 

message: On this external webpage there are loads of comparisons of vector graphics editors., including a list of free and commercial ones. It would be great if someone would spend their time adding them to the Wikipedia tables in this article. — Wackymacs 06:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course it should be! Xfig is the great-grand-daddy of vector graphics editors, and the current version is very featureful.
=== Microsoft Expression ===
Microsoft has released a beta of their upcoming Microsoft Expression Graphic Designer.  This product substantially expands on the feature set of Illustrator and will likely become a significant contender.
=== Sodipodi & OpenDraw? ===
Sodipodi & OpenDraw are mentioned in the Vector Graphics article.  Is there a reason they aren't included here? (Sodipodi at all, and OpenDraw in the tables)? Irrevenant 03:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Sodipodi has nothing that Inkscape does not have, it's like a small and obsolete subset of Inkscape. Besides there's no active development on Sodipodi for a long time. Use Inkscape instead. Trapolator 01:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more vector graphics editors 

message: Sodipodi & OpenDraw are mentioned in the Vector Graphics article.  Is there a reason they aren't included here? (Sodipodi at all, and OpenDraw in the tables)? Irrevenant 03:19, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sodipodi has nothing that Inkscape does not have, it's like a small and obsolete subset of Inkscape. Besides there's no active development on Sodipodi for a long time. Use Inkscape instead. Trapolator 01:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sodipodi & OpenDraw? 

message: I like Canvas as a vector editor. Supports Mac and PC, been around a long long time. 24.225.51.32 (talk) 22:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ACD Canvas 

message: I came looking for a comparison with Karbon14, an application associated with the KOffice suite. Could this be included?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.253.200.196 (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karbon14 

message: Needs to be included in the list.  Creates standalone drawings but also can be embedded in Google presentation/slide, Google docs. Similar capabilities to the basic drawing editors in Powerpoint, Libre/OO presentations 193.35.250.236 (talk) 10:42, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Drive/Docs Drawing 

message: Exclusive to Mac OS X and similar to Visio, should be included in comparison.  SVG capabilities of each editor/package should be included as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dancolestock (talk • contribs) 16:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  OmniGraffle 

message: I am surprised that no one has mentioned Arts & Letters, a vector graphics that has been around since the early '90's.  I started using it when it first came out and still use it today.  Version 7 is the latest official release, with version 8 in the works (I'm still a beta tester for the company).  During the nineties, I was a computer support tech for a large international company, and was charged with deciding what vector graphics program the company would use.  The contenders were CorelDraw, Adobe Illustrator, and Arts & Letters.  Illustrator was a joke at the time, and I thought CorelDraw had a much steeper learning curve.  So Arts & Letters became our "standard", although some non-conformers continued to use CorelDraw since that was what they had started with.
Over the years, I have used CorelDraw, Illustrator, Arts & Letters, and several other freeware vector programs.  It is my opinion that Arts & Letters still has the shortest learning curve, and I especially like the ease of creating curves with it versus any of the other programs.  Although a lot of the work I do now as a graphics artist requires me to use Illustrator, I actually do much of the work in Arts & Letters and then import it into Illustrator to present the final product.  Arts & Letters may not have all the bells and whistles of the "industry leaders", and it certainly has it's own glitches, but I highly recommend it for anyone wanting to get started with vector graphics.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.54.137.32 (talk) 14:06, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arts & Letters 

message: This page is really stale - it needs some serious attention to updating the tables of features.  A new generation of tools like Gravit Designer has changed the landscape.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 52.119.118.14 (talk) 02:47, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gravit Designer 

message: It's actually impossible to make them like-to-like, too.  For example, the CorelDraw Graphics Suite listed here at $399 includes Photopaint too, while Adobe Illustrator listed here at $499 does not include Photoshop.  But the more strictly equivalent Adobe product (Creative Suite Standard, $899) then includes the layout program InDesign, which Corel don't currently compete with...
I'm not sure there's a good solution to this, except maybe to note which prices are standalone and which are not. Haeleth 12:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Another oddity with price comparisons: I expected that clicking on the little triangle next to the word "cost" would sort by cost. In particular, I expected the "no cost" editors to be sorted either at one end of the table or the other. Instead, I see that the "no cost" editors are sorted (unexpectedly) towards the middle of the table. How do I fix this? --DavidCary (talk) 22:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price comparisons not like-to-like 

message: I've added a lot about problems I've experienced as a serious user (mostly of Illustrator), which I consider to be more important than 'features'.
Ideally I would create files in simple applications and then edit them in more complex ones if the need arose, but the problems I've outlined frustrate this.
Some may feel that what I added should be on the talk page only, but I think it is important to present it to a wide audience. A comparison of what is compatible with what (and what the bugs are) seems difficult, and I'd like to see additions in that respect. It may be that I am missing something, in which case I'm probably not the only one, so I also welcome solutions!  --Lindosland 15:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I removed that section. It's not encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not the place to lament about the quality of software or seek help with it. It's not a place for original research, questions, or hypotheses. If you have a reference about the low level of interoperability in vector software (such as a study or a quotation by someone notable), please add a brief mention of it, but to Vector graphics editor, not here. If you have specific and verifiable data on the support of variouus formats in vector editors, add it to the tables in this article. Trapolator 23:14, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  That doesn't seem very sensible; the subject is "Comparison of Vector Graphics editors" - surely that includes bad points as well as good? Irrevenant 02:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sotfware Problems 

message: Hi, it seems to me the maximum zoom levels in the article are way too messed up.
Some people put in 25600x (which means 2560000%) when they mean 256 times. I checked this with Inkscape and corrected it (to 256x). I don't think the other programs' zoom levels are correct either (2500, 450000, 25600, 12800), but since I don't have those programs, I can't make an objective statement. So can anyone who owns the other software correct this?
I think it will help a lot if we'd decide to state in the maximum zoom factor to make it clear it's not the maximum zoom percentage. As it is now, "maximum zoom" could mean anything...
Greets, A. Rad 09:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please correct/standardise the maximum zoom levels! 

message: I'd like to see a section on multi-lingual support added - particularly support for complex scripts - as this is a feature very significant to users of those scripts. I only have access to CorelDraw, Freehand, Illustrator (non-ME version), Inkscape,   and OOorg Draw. Would anyone with access to other vector graphics programs be interested in checking out the multi-lingual support in those applications?
Chris Fynn 12:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multilingual Support ?  

message: What about Freeverse's "Lineform"?
http://www.freeverse.com/games/game/?id=6020  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.92.179 (talk) 03:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lineform 

message: "Adobe Illustrator has a steeper learning curve"
What does that mean, is it steeper as more difficult to climb, or steeper as gaining altitude more quickly. I looked up Learning_curve to get some help, but basically only got the answere that Yes, it can mean different things. I surgest changing it to faster/slower learning curve which ever is approriate. Otherwise thank you for a helpfull article /Magnus Andersson  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.253.237.178 (talk) 13:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The term "steeper learning curve" can mean opposite things 

message: Shouldn't Adobe's Fireworks be in this article?
:i wonder 79.173.234.122 (talk) 01:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fireworks 

message: Let me start off by saying that I am NOT a designer or a programmer. I am an ordinary user who has bothered to learn a little of the technical stuff behind what I do, but that is all. I upload images from the US Army Institute of Heraldry that are in JPEG format, and I added Adobe Photoshop Elements to my system to meet your original requirement of uploading only in PNG format.
I chose Adobe Photoshop Elements because it is cheap in price, simple to use, and lets me optimize images for web storage and quality (It supports both 8-Bit and 24-Bit PNG) before the program makes the conversion. Now, it seems that you also want me to add another program to convert from PNG to SVG, since Elements doesn't do that conversion.
The problem is that I looked at your list of programs, and none of them seem to be able to import JPEG directly for conversion - they all seem to be designed for designers, and that is not me.
If you want me to upload in SVG, then I need a program that will let me import from JPEG and its companion formats, and then will let me preview and adjust the settings, and then perform the conversion on one step.
Otherwise, I will continue to upload in PNG. SSG Cornelius Seon (Retired) (talk) 08:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no need to perform conversion from JPEG to SVG in the first place. Such a conversion will increase file size without any gains. Just leave the images in JPEG. Furthermore, JPEG images are not appropriate candidates for conversion to SVG, as they lack the required fidelity for conversion to vector format. In future, the best place for such comments is on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), rather than on an article talk page. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  CONVERSION ISSUES 

message: Microsoft has acquired Visio Corporation (formerly Shapeware), but I was wondering if it's technically correct to state that the creator of Microsoft Visio is Shapeware, rather than Microsoft? Axfangli (talk) 12:53, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visio creator 

message: Why isn't Paint.net here? Dogru144 (talk) 22:26, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Paint.net

message: Where is paint.net?????
124.43.107.45 (talk) 11:39, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paint .net 

message: I just find this webpage that may be of interest for further improving the article. Wo.luren (talk) 15:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A possible reference for editing this article 

message: I don't seem to see any order to the way the programs are listed, it should most likely be in alphabetic order as right now it just jumps all over the place with no discernible logic. Aausterm (talk) 20:48, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: Where is Figma? -- Rino ap Codkelden (talk) 11:55, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is Figma? 

message: The entry in the table is very old! Can someone update this please? 2003:F1:1730:7693:DC23:1A23:83FD:8958 (talk) 00:41, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Affinity Designer is already on Version 2.2.1 

message: Use of Adobe Flash has been discouraged due to security flaws and Adobe discontinued support.
Adobe XD (Figma competitor) was declared end of life by Adobe when they were trying to acquire Figma. 52.119.115.152 (talk) 15:48, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Obsolete Products