Talk:Barbara Jane Harrison

message: #Better photo of gravestone (full wording)
#Photo of memorial plaque at Heathrow
#Photo of Harrison's GC (British Airways Museum, Heathrow)
#Photo of memorial window in Bradford City Hall
Anyone able to assist with these? Mjroots (talk) 13:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Photos needed

message: The Career section says "She refused to leave the plane to save herself and her body was found near that of a disabled pensioner, seated in one of the last rows."  This can be read that the pensioner's body was found in a seated position; or that Harrison's and the pensioner's bodies were found seated.  If the source for the wording in the Career section is the GC citation iteslf, "She was finally overcome while trying to save an elderly cripple who was seated in one of the last rows and whose body was found close to that of the stewardess", it seems to me that there are many possible interpretations of the situation:
*1 - The GC citation could refer to the fact that the disabled person had been seated in one of the last rows during the flight, rather than was found in a seated position. He/She might have been helped to her feet during the evacuation and then slumped to the floor
*2 - Harrison's body was found somewhere unspecified (?on the floor perhaps) near the seated passenger
*3 - Both Harrison and the passenger's bodies were found in a seated position.   
*4 - From the GC citation, we know the passenger's body was found 'close to one of the stewardesses' - Harrison is NOT specified, and surely would have been named if it were her - and that Harrison was overcome while trying to help the passenger, so presumably was in the vicinity though we don't know this, we can only deduce it from the rather vague wording of the GC citation.
It sems to me there has been too much extrapolation from the GC citation sentence to the sentence in the article, especially given the ambiguity over several factors in the GC citation. 86.147.162.198 (talk) 07:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Generally true, however I would take issue with your point 4. It actually says that the passenger's body was "found close to that of the stewardess", not one of the stewardesses. Harrison was the only crew member killed, so it quite clearly refers to her. As to not being named, this is the way London Gazette citations were written. It was quite normal to refer to "the stewardess" or "the constable" or whatever after the first mention of their name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:49, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguous sentence needs re-wording 

message: I just moved it back to "Barbara Jane Harrison", because all the sources use "Barbara Jane Harrison" or "Barbara Harrison". Only the gravestone uses "Jane", and there appears to be a quote mark before it, indicating that the "Barbara" was elided.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: George Cross Heroes by Lord Ashcroft states that she was always known as Jane Harrison, never as Barbara. This and her gravestone suggests to me that she was known as Jane, which is therefore what we should call her. Formal sources tend to be a little impersonal. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:04, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Parentheses are always used around disambiguators on Wikipedia. Yes, we know they are not used in real life, but this is simply a disambiguator to distinguish between her and other Jane Harrisons. -- Necrothesp (talk) 21:12, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

text: Ok thanks for explaining that. Simon Woodhead (talk) 11:21, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Removed an online reference pertaining to the fact that Harris is the youngest female recipient.  The link was no longer good (went to a commercial site), and the site replacing that in the original reference (http://www.marionhebblethwaite.co.uk/gcindex.htm) no longer contains the info to support the fact (i.e., age of recipients).  By looking up other female recipients (there aren't many) I was easily able to confirm that Harris is (so far) the youngest female recipient by one year.
I searched but could not find an alternate reliable online source for the crunched data.  I don't think the lack of reference does much damage--not as much as being misdirected to GC Finance. Richigi (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference removal explained 

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