Talk:Digital hardcore

message: I've removed the notability tag, and provided a reference to an interview in which Alec Empire talks about the genre as being a distinct entity from the record company. Also, this article has been through AfD for notability, with the result being keep (see above). Just googling around for this indicates that it is in popular usage, only that it's too underground to easily find encyclopaedia-grade references for. -Kieran 20:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One reference to a non-independent source doesn't look sufficient to establish notability to me: it's on digitalhardcore.com, after all.  It's not a matter of whether or not "digital hardcore" is notable, but whether a reader can verify that it is notable via the independent (of the subject) references given in the article.  This article still fails that requirement, I think, badly.  I think from the WP point of view, "too underground" means "not notable".  On the other hand, "digital hardcore" gets 230,000 google hits: isn't there one independent reference on the genre? Here's an article from The Village Voice: Michel, Sia, Only Death is Quiet, New York: Nov 25, 1997. Vol. 42, Iss. 47; pg. 73, 1 pgs.  It doesn't say much, but it is independent, and it uses the phrase "digital hardcore" without caps twice. I guess that's something.  Doctormatt 21:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability issues

message: If this article should be merged with anything, it's breakcore, which immediately evolved out of digital hardcore ... and still exists, unlike digital hardcore, which is basically a mid- to late-'90 phenomenon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.191.153.112 (talk) 14:49, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, kept separate. First off, digital hardcore still definitely exists (see discography of Rabbit Junk, see DTrash Records, etc). Secondly, although I'd say breakcore is more related to digital hardcore than Industrial hardcore is, it's still a totally distinct genre, sharing more similarities with IDM, and, most importantly, none with punk. Digital hardcore rarely deviates from a riot-driving 4/4 beat, while programming breakcore is usually a more-syncopated-than-thou-art competition. I dunno, the two genres seem totally different to me. michaelb Talk to this user 20:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No! There was a discussion about 'IDM' on the breakcore page, albeit a short one... I mean what is 'IDM'? Is it Boards of Canada's trip-hop/downtempo? Aphex Twin's glitched out jungle or ambient techno? Is it Squarepusher's jazzy jungle or Kettel's acid techno? It's a void term. Furthermore, breakcore isn't about the crazed out beats, it's about the breaks and  the kicks. It can go from reall simple looped breaks with some distortion and hardcore kicks drums to crazed out drumbeats with snare rushes and God knows what else. Hell, Praxis and Bloody Fist are mentioned on this page, which are primary labels in breakcore. People seem to have forgotten that breakcore is/was largely shitnoise (I mean that affectionately, of course) ever since the series of Venetian Snares releases back in 2001. I'd suggest a merger with breakcore, with Digital Hardcore as a breakcore subgenre (along with Raggacore). Yeah, perhaps 'Digital Hardcore' was established as a 'genre' before, but it's now more of a biiiig bleep on the breakcore radar more than anything and the breakcore scene doesn't really consider it a separate entity either. PS. Breakcore can easily have distorted guitars and all that stuff. Drumcorps.. Sangre, Hecate, Bong-Ra to name the big names.... It's not something that characterizes breakcore, meanwhile, the distorted guitars could characterize the subgenre, much like how ragga vocals and rhythms define the raggacore subgenre, but not breakcore as a whole. Subgenres are a box within a box and all.--Seeofseaof (talk) 03:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakcore 

message: Heavy metal (and specifically thrash) is a huge part of digital hardcore and Atari Teenage Riot is it not??? Not the biggest part certainly. More punk and techno influences, but metal still plays a part in this genre I believe. 165.196.83.23 (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, which was why thrash metal was initially included in the "origins" box. Please see the above discussion for a dissenting view. If you agree with me and the sources I've provided, perhaps thrash metal should be reinserted. Aryder779 (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metal?? 

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message: Rabbbit Junk is sonically in the same genre as Fear Factory rather than with EC8OR, ATR or Machinegirl, That's why I deleted those references to Rabbit Junk. Most of the Digital Hardcore "bands" has, at least, Gabber or Breakcore sounds in most, if not all, their songs. Rabbit Junk isn't doing that (and it's great, but not DH)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.40.230.116 (talk) 13:47, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
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