Talk:Generation "П"

message: Much of the article appears to be original research.  Trying to verify these claims would be extremely laborious, so I'm inclined to completely remove this material.  This seems preferable to leaving huge amounts of questionable material on the page.  Anyone who thought there was some value in would be free to reintroduce it along with suitable references. - Crosbiesmith 12:43, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Original research

message: I removed the statement ' The "П" in the title stands for "Пепси", the rendering in Russian of "Pepsi" '.  In the interview 'I never was a hero', Pelevin seems to contradict this. - Crosbiesmith 20:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be mistaken but I'm pretty sure I've seen Russian Pepsi ads that use the term "generation" (I forget the exact slogan). Also, Pepsi has several paragraphs on the Soviet/Russian connection and links here. Stuffisthings (talk) 16:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: P for Pepsi

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as stub, and the rating on other projects was brought up to Stub class. BetacommandBot 13:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: I'm currently reading this in Russian and the main character's name is "Vavilen", not "Babylen". Should we go with a shoddy English translation or the original Russian. Bear in mind that his name stands for "Vasily Aksenov, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin" (V.A.V.I.L.). Surely the Russian original is our primary interest? Malick78 (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well in Russian "Babylon" is usually written "Вавилон" (Vavilon), no? I've reread the published English translation several times now (it's one of my favorite novels) as well as some of the online translations, and based on my limited knowledge of Russian it seems that the official translator has done a decent job of handling the many verbal puns on English and Russian words, as well as Pelevin's many neologisms. And on Wikipedia it seems better to go with the officially-published English translation -- however "shoddy" some people may feel it to be -- than other less notable "amateur" translations or original research. And we won't even get into "moutharsing," Fukem-Al, Phukkup... =) Stuffisthings (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Babylen?!

message: What is the policy on using the novel itself as a reference? (In the English translation anyway) Pelevin states quite clearly on page 2 that "Babylen"'s name comes from "the title of Yevtushenko's famous poem 'Baby Yar' and Lenin." In the next paragraph the narrator says Tatarsky lied to his friends that the name had to do with the ancient city of Babylon (which anyway is a very common motif in modern Russian culture, to the point where I think almost any Russian reader would instantly associate his name with the city). Would this mention in the novel suffice as a citation for the "Mesopotamian Mythology" section? Also, the stuff in "Media Biasing and Homo Sovieticus" is a straightforward paraphrase of statements in different chapters of the novel, and doesn't read to me as OR at all (as opposed to the drugs section, which does). Again, not clear on the policy for this on Wikipedia literary articles. Must we find a critic somewhere who points out things that are stated plainly in the text?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuffisthings (talk • contribs) 16:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  References