Talk:Barrington Hall (Berkeley, California)/Archive 2

message: The current section seems to be a lot of hearsay.  LSD punch and hundreds of bands may well be the truth, but is it verifiable?  I have toned down the section trying not  to maintain its spirit: 
Before legal arbitration with the neighbors in 1984, Barrington was the launching pad (petri dish) of Bay Area Punk.  The song "Frizzle Fry" by the band Primus as well as the theme of their album, Tales From the Punchbowl, were inspired by a party, called a "Wine Dinner," held at Barrington. The pop group Camper Van Beethoven played at one such "Wine Dinner" in 1988-89, under the name Vampire Can Mating Oven. Black Flag, Flipper, X,  NOFX, The Dead Kennedys, among others, also played at Barrington in the 1980s.  In 2002, it was eulogised in the song "Barrington Hall" by Les Claypool that includes the lyrics:
::"Just when I had thought I'd seen it ah ah all, 
::I stumbled 'round the corner into Barrington Hall. 
::Does anyone here remember Barrington Hall?  
::They care not for wrong or right, 
::they electrocute the night, 
::the people that live in Barrington Hall . . ."
Legal arbitration restricted Barrington to three parties a semester with "amplified music," and so bands could only perform at Wine Dinners after that.
In the 70s, the Lemmings were the Barrington house band.  A large mural of one of their album covers—depicting cars driving off a cliff—adorned the lounge on the ground floor. Musicians in Barrington house band Idiot Flesh went on to perform with Charming Hostess, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and Faun Fables.
i aim to replace the older version with this new version.  Please improve this version and provide citations for LSD punch if you wish to put that factoid back in. David D. (Talk) 22:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the references are in the references section: seven hospitalized after acid punch party, etc.  also, the Green Book, which is the primary ref for the article.  There is a "style" issue re the refs, because the Green Book would have to be cited 40 times (more elegant and useful to leave it as a general ref, I think.)  I'm still not sure if I think inline cites would be better--many articles just list refs. Most of these refs are not available online, anyhow.-Cindery 22:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should still be referenced as notes (see Rosalind Franklin). They don't have to be available online but if the Green Book is not readily available it is probably a problem. Regardless, why is it notable?  Was this the first acid party in Berkeley? David D. (Talk) 23:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'd really love to see some citations on this article. Without citations it makes verifying anything exceptional difficult and allows random OR to go by unnoticed for long periods of time. <ref> tags are really easy to use, create tiny footnote marks and are the de-facto standard required of the very best articles on wikipedia. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 23:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: OK I just saw the online version of the green book.  Why can't this article track down their primary sources for information? They appear to have quite a few. David D. (Talk) 23:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The acid punch party made the newspapers, was a big scandal because it happened while Barrington was "on probation," and is especially notable because Les Claypool named an album called "Frizzle Fry" after it.  Some of the refs in Green Book are cited in the Wiki biblio. Primary refs can't be used, except as noted in library collections.-Cindery 23:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: And for anyone who has an interest in neglected co-op articles, here is a link to the USCA article. At the bottom, you will find links to the articles about all of the co-ops. Not one of them is as well-developed or attended as Barrington Hall. They could all use the attention of those truly concerned with the quality of the co-op articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Students%27_Cooperative_Association
-Cindery 01:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: USCA

message: I will add all of these refs later:
*"The Co-op That Chaos Killed:
Cal's Barrington Hall -- home of nude 'wine dinners' -- closes" Byline: Sam Whiting, Chronicle Staff Writer,The San Francisco Chronicle March 5, 1990, Monday, Final Edition
Section: News; B8
(This article includes specific mention of two graffitos: "The graffiti overhead says, 'Welcome to the I can be more radical than you house,' and, 'An Oasis of Madness in a World Gone Sane'")  And the opening sentence of the piece is: "Berkeley's last student bastion for radical behavior, is expected to close today -- burying a civilization Margaret Mead might have chosen for her final expedition into cultural anthropology," which should perhaps be incorporated...
*"Berkeley Mayor Wants Talks: Friday's student riot at Barrington Hall" The San Francisco Chronicle
April 10, 1990, Tuesday, Final Edition
Section: News; Pg. E11; Bay Area Report
*Berkeley Cops Roust Dozens at Big Party, The San Francisco Chronicle
November 22, 1989, Wednesday, Final Edition,
Section: Daily Datebook; E12; Steve Rubenstein
*"Police Evict Barrington Holdouts." The San Francisco Chronicle 
September 13, 1990, Thursday, Final Edition
Section: News; Pg. B6
-Cindery 06:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SF Chronicle

message: Some or all of this quote should be incorporated as well, from a section of the article named "UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES":
"Barrington has nurtured a spirit unavailable elsewhere on campus, from nude dinner parties to ritual television destruction to a museum of original wall art. But it had a bleak underside. It was known for noise and destruction and for offering a crash pad to the nonstudent left and teenage runaways.
Barrington has a larger-than-life reputation, says Lincoln Madison, president of the co-op association, Berkeley's second-largest landowner. All across the continent, people know it as a drug den and anarchist household.
The hall was founded in 1933. The complaints started piling up in the early 1960s; more than 100 complaints have been filed. One example from 1983: Resident complains not fit for habitability. Live boa constrictor, fire, dried blood on her door, food and burning matches thrown at dinner, person wandering through halls brandishing a whip and striking the walls with it.
But there were certain rules. Graffiti was limited to stairwells, and mural-tampering was punishable by a $ 75 fine and possible eviction."
-Cindery 06:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Co-op that chaos killed"