Talk:Order (biology)

message: I'd like to order more information: how many orders of plants are there? how many of animals? I'd like a side order of a link to a list. Thank you. Pliny 20:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: The article says that the term 'order' was introduced by Rivinus instead of genus summum. But, in aphorism 200, Linnaeus's Philosophia Botanica, Linnaeus indicates his term ordo corresponds to sectio of Tournefort and genus subalternum of Ray and Rivinus. Also his classis to ordo of Tournefort and genus summum of Ray and Rivinus. In Latin, genus summum literally means "the highest genus". So it seems reasonable that genus summum corresponds to classis in Linnean system and ordo in Tournefort's system, as these terms are the highest rank in each system. So my question is "Is it certain that Rivinus (not Tournefort) has introduced the term 'order'?" Please note I am quite new to Latin and I have never read treatises of Tournefort, Rivinus, and Ray.--Mzaki 07:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I rely on autopsy here. I red Rivinus myself, and I can confirm that. Actually, I can provide you with a reference to my book published in Russian touсhing upon the issue, though it would be, I am afraid, of little use for anyone who does not read Russian :) The concept of rank was at that time in statu nascendi and authors did not use terms consistently. The Ray's genus summum corresponds roughly to Rivinus's ordo (and Rivinus uses genus summum and ordo interchangeably), and Tournefort's classis. Linnaeus's ordo corresponds to Tournefort's section. Note, plese, that all correspondences are rather rough. One can compare different pre-linnaean classifications using Classes Plantarum by Linnaeus. Alexei Kouprianov 20:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks a lot. I've been interested in your book, however, it would be unfortunately all Greek to me as you supposed :) --Mzaki 20:21, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The term used before Linnaeus

message: "order (ordo) was reserved for a higher rank, for what in the nineteenth century had often been boobinlaw or Labiatae)"
The final words of the above appear to be an editing error. The word "boobinlaw" is unknown to me or the dictionaries and the word Labiatae is apparently that of a [plant Family] and does not parse coherently in the context. 
Iph 18:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomprehensible text

message: I don't understand the last sentence of the intro: "Most of orders ends up with word -iformes, except for mammals and invertebrates."  Could someone clarify?  --Allen (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm editing that to:
' The Latin suffix -(i)formes meaning "having the form of" is used for the scientific name of most orders, except for those of mammals and invertebrates. '
But I don't know if the fact is accurate -- and perhaps it would be better stated in reverse: for the names of most avian and reptilian (and other?) orders, as invertebrate orders certainly are more numerous...
76.202.199.165 (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  what does this mean? 

message: The Parvorder article redirects here, but there is no description of this recent term — not found in dictionaries. It needs a sub-section explaining its coining, etymology, and whether universally accepted or not (in ornithology, other fields).
Other types of orders (infraorder, etc.) then need a brief sub-section each also.
::I got here by exactly the same emthod. What is a pervorder, and how / why is it different than an infraorder or suborder? I've never heard it before, but the intermediate clasificiations are used all over WP.Yobmod (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Explanation of Parvorder 

message: Mirorder redirects here, but this article does not seem to define the term. What does it mean?--Nø (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a new(?) intermediate rank introduced by McKenna & Bell in 1997. I've added a sentence to the article mentioning "Grandorder" and "Mirorder". Peter coxhead (talk) 22:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirorder 

message: I am doing a class project, and need a good grade😝! So I have been looking for the past 1 or 2 hours for how you define what order an animal is, and I was wondering if any of you guys know, Please respond quick!!! SOSOS
:Well, this isn't the place to help students with class projects, but it's a good question. The short answer is that it's a matter of opinion among biologists. I can't find a good version of the longer answer in any current article here; it should probably be at Taxonomy (biology). There's a little bit that's relevant in the quote from Meyr about "the second stage of taxonomic activity" which is "the sorting of species into groups of relatives ('taxa') and their arrangement in a hierarchy of higher categories". Orders are part of the "hierarchy of higher categories", but there's no fixed rule about what constitutes an order, a class, etc. nor which particular ones to use. Generally what happens is that one biologist or a group of biologists makes a proposal and then over time it either gets accepted by other biologists or not. Sometimes several different classifications are common in use at any one time, and you just have to make a choice. So for mammals, you could decide to use Wilson & Reeder (2005) Mammal Species of the World, which is conveniently online here (although it's out of date now). For plants, in Wikipedia we use the APG IV system. So a practical answer is: (1) you decide which classification system you are going to use for the large group to which the organism belongs (e.g. mammals, birds) (2) you look up the genus in that classification system to see what order it is placed in. Peter coxhead (talk) 07:27, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Order in Classification!?!?!?! 

message: The image for all the rankings is in Burmese (I assume), and I checked the other rankings, and their image was changed as well. When I went to copy the English picture back, it was deleted. Can someone change the pictures back. ScienceFan66 (talk) 23:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: this appears to be caused by an error at Wikimedia Commons, which has removed the English version of the multi-lingual set. I've made a fix to  for now, which restores a diagram with English captions. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:25, 6 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Image Text

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