Talk:Run!

message: :Add  # Support  or  # Oppose  on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.
====Survey - in support of the move====
#Support per Quantum Leap and Quantum leap thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 11:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, Wikipedia isn't a television show episode. Wikipedia is wikipedia, and our convention is to not disambiguate when there's no need to disambiguate. WP:TV-NC had a massive discussion about this only a few month ago, and resulted in clear consensus to not disambiguate when the title is unique. I challenge you to find one other well-edited TV series that has episode articles always disambiguated (well-edited as in it's not some obscure series where one person has created the articles and no one else has really cared to edit them.) --`/aksha 13:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  I am incorrect.  I just checked out Veronica Mars, Lost, and The Simpsons, and it appears that my desire for disambiguation was overly zealous.  I don't like that no one else wants to disambiguate like me, but, well, so be it.Transcendentalstate 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: #Support per Quantum Leap and Quantum leap thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 11:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in support of the move

message: #Oppose - the exclamation mark is not sufficient for disambiguation, particularly given that readers may not even be aware that one exists in the episode title. --Ckatzchatspy 08:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, Wikipedia isn't a television show episode. Wikipedia is wikipedia, and our convention is to not disambiguate when there's no need to disambiguate. WP:TV-NC had a massive discussion about this only a few month ago, and resulted in clear consensus to not disambiguate when the title is unique. I challenge you to find one other well-edited TV series that has episode articles always disambiguated (well-edited as in it's not some obscure series where one person has created the articles and no one else has really cared to edit them.) --`/aksha 13:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct.  I am incorrect.  I just checked out Veronica Mars, Lost, and The Simpsons, and it appears that my desire for disambiguation was overly zealous.  I don't like that no one else wants to disambiguate like me, but, well, so be it.Transcendentalstate 14:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey - in opposition to the move

message: Could someone get a better image? Perhaps a screenshot of Parkman after he was thrown out of the window. dposse 13:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got one but it doesn't go as well with the article, while the Hiro one does. (You can't help but chuckle can you :-P) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 13:06, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is quite funny. However, a picture of Parkman unconscious after Jessica threw him out the window would be alot better for this article then a single comedic moment. That event is way more important in this episode then the vulcan sign. dposse 16:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I actually think Hiro's escapades in Vegas are just as important. I think an image of Matt on the shop sign doesn't represent the episode well. I have however uploaded an example so as to allow overs to voice an opinion. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 16:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about one of Sylar and Mohinder?  That was also a fairly important development, and could be a much better image than the one currently used (a long shot with a barely recognizable Parkman) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.165.38.83 (talk) 21:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This episodes main storyline wasn't about Sylar, though. Most of the episode was taken up by Parkman and his fight with Jessica. dposse 23:55, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I like this one, which my friend took: http://i16.tinypic.com/4i5a2hy.jpg 24.83.211.180 00:34, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: There was another, someone else complained about that as well. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The complaint with the other image (Hiro giving the Vulcan salute) wasn't about how legible it was, but how it didn't really capture the essence of the episode. The solution might be to find a Matt image that's easier to see, either for both places or just for the index. --Ckatzchatspy 20:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What kind do you suggest? I will ask my friend to make one. I really do like this one though (and not because my friend took the cap). :o) http://i16.tinypic.com/4i5a2hy.jpg 24.83.211.180 22:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest a picture of Matt, but this time showing Parkman right after he was thrown out of the window. There was a great close up shot of him when he landed on that sign. Or, perhaps the scene where Parkman handcuffs Jessica and is pointing a gun to the back of her head. dposse 01:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  a better image. 

message: I have to disagree. The article is very long but it's not written so badly that it needs to be rewritten again. I think the tag should be removed and replaced with a clean-up tag or something. It seems only one person feels this way? I think it should be trimmed down at the worst. 137.82.96.26 08:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is definetly more than one person who thinks that way. At least one of the WP:HEROES contributors felt that way, I feel that, and I think most of the regular WP:TV people would think so as well. This article is nothing more then a plot description and that is simply not enough. To see what a proper article on a television episode should look like, see Homerpalooza or Cape Feare. Remember, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an episode guide. TheDJ (talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 13:06, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't meant to offend you. I just find it weird that nobody is doing anything to actually fix the article if they think it is so bad. 137.82.96.26 04:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Other good examples of how this article should be written are Pilot (House) and Abyssinia, Henry. Although, try to avoid using "IMDb Trivia" as a source, not reliable. Jay32183 18:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will look at those. Thanks. 137.82.96.26 04:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It was pretty long. I tried to clean it up. 24.83.211.180 06:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason the rewrite tag is there is because this article needs alot of work. If you wanna see how a Heroes plot summary should look like, check out: Unexpected (Heroes), Fallout (Heroes). dposse 15:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see any huge differences to be honest. I don't get it.... 137.82.96.26 21:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Me either. I edited yet again, but the tag will probably remain. Heh. 24.83.211.180 22:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The point i was trying to make wsa that the aricle was too long and too much of a play-by-play of what happened in the episode, which could be a violation of copyright laws. It looks like it has been fixed now, although im gonna make some small edits. dposse 23:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been tagged AGAIN. Egads. 137.82.96.26 05:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact the most 3 recent summaries were tagged. Did someone get a bit tag-happy??? 137.82.96.26 05:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That a[[ears to be a blatant lie, "Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.". thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is dominated by the plot summary, when it is not permitted per WP:NOT#IINFO.  Other editors above have already provided excellent examples of TV episode articles contain a plot/synopsis section of appropriate length.  Thanks. --Madchester 19:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For comparison, Pilot (House) is a featured article, and it's only slightly shorter than this.  If there's fat that can be trimmed, then do it, but this is actually a fairly lean episode summary by WP standards.  At this point, a higher priority should probably be trying to find real world context or other info to flesh out the article.  --Milo H Minderbinder 20:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until the DVD set is released with audio commentary from the cast and crew, it will be difficult to include such cultural references and influences without it being considered original research.  I think that condensing the plot details per WP:NOT#IINFO is a good intermediate step until such additional info is released in said DVD set. --Madchester 20:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Fix" has 820 words and is not tagged. This article has 732 words. Is it okay now? 24.83.211.180 00:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite?