Talk:A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

message: The place where Abhay Charanarvinda Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada met his spiritual master is Ultadanga, Kolkata. Not Allahabad. Fake information.
And Views on slavery and casteism and racism are picked without knowing the context of the talks or lecture. It is just picked from the words not conversation.
Thank you 009Priyanshusharma (talk) 05:41, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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message: The "Views" section of this section includes extremely cherry-picked statements from the individual the article is about. A more comprehensive article is required to paint an accurate picture of the individual this article is about.
Edit the following in square brackets after considering the followings quotes.
["Hitler and Jews
Swami mentioned Hitler to provide an example of a notorious villain, comparing him to Vedic demons, and using the term "hero" to describe one who has many gifts but squanders them for evil purposes:
Sometimes he becomes a great hero -- just like Hiranyakashipu and Kamsa or, in the modern age, Napoleon or Hitler. The activities of such men are certainly very great, but as soon as their bodies are finished, everything else is finished.[12]
He held Jews to be responsible for Holocaust:
Therefore Hitler killed these Jews. They were financing against Germany. Otherwise he had no enmity with the Jews... And they were supplying. They want interest money -- "Never mind against our country." Therefore Hitler decided, "Kill all the Jews."]
Quotes: 
[So asura, to kill the asuras, however powerful they may be... We have seen. There were so many asuras in this world. There were Lenin, there were Stalin, there were Hitler, there were Hiraṇyakaśipu. So many. But they could not survive. It is not possible. They'll be finished. So asuras, to kill him... Paritrāṇāya sādhūn..., vināśāya...(BG 4.8) To kill the duṣkṛtām, these asuras, Kṛṣṇa does not require to come. He comes only to give protection and pleasure to the devotees. That is his aim."
(Lecture on SB 1.8.20 -- Mayapura, September 30, 1974)
To the atheists who are guided by the animal qualities of passion and ignorance, physically powerful men like... Ravana, Meghnad, Jarasandha, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. are considered as Mahajans. (Srila Prabhupada)
(Hitler is compared to likes of ‘Demons’ of mythological and current times. Ravan, Mussolini.
The whole history of the world, you just study, is a history of sense gratification. Just take, for example, some twenty years ago one Mr. Adolf Hitler came in the scene, and there was great upheaval as war in Europe and America. From 1933 to 1947 or something like that, the whole world was in trouble. But he is gone, finished. And what did he do? Sense gratification, that's all. (Bhagavad-gita Lecture 3.6-10. Los Angeles. 68-12-23)
No, the greater power is Krsna. If you take shelter of Krsna, they cannot do anything. Just like Prahlada Maharaja, he was a five years old boy. He took shelter of Krsna and his father was a great demon, very powerful. He wanted to chastise his boy. He could not. This is the proof. So you take shelter. Krsna says, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja, aham tvam sarva-pape... [Bg. 18.66]. "I give you protection." So people have no faith although He's God. He thinks God is less powerful than Hitler. That is his nonsense. If he takes actually shelter of Krsna, what this rascal, Hitler, can do? But he has no faith in God. He thinks Prabhu Hitler is greater than Lord. Prabhu Hitler. That is the difference between the crows and the swans. The crows think that we have got food in the garbage. And the swans think that we have got food in nice garden, in the clear water. And that is difference even in the birds kingdom."
(Room Conversation with Dr. Christian Hauser, Psychiatrist. Stockholm. 73-09-10)
Just like in your Western countries there was Napoleon, there was Hitler, there was Mussolini, here also, big, big leaders, but what they are? Big, big servants of the senses, that's all. Big, big servants of the senses. Therefore Bhāgavata has said, sva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ (SB 2.3.19). Puruṣaḥ paśuḥ: "These big, big leaders are big, big animals, that's all." Saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. So there are many instructive verses in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Therefore Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam should be your life and soul to remain constantly in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, yes, the unique gift of Śrī Vyāsadeva.
(Lecture SB 07.09.40 MAYAPUR - March 18, 1976)
An example can help us to understand the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Lord. In the recent history of warfare the Supreme Personality of Godhead created a Hitler and, before that, a Napoleon Bonaparte, and they each killed many living entities in war. But in the end Bonaparte and Hitler were also killed. People are still very much interested in writing and reading books about Hitler and Bonaparte and how they killed so many people in war. Year after year many books are published for public reading regarding Hitler's killing thousands of Jews in confinement. But no one is researching who killed Hitler and who created such a gigantic killer of human beings. The devotees of the Lord are not much interested in the study of the flickering history of the world. They are interested only in Him who is the original creator, maintainer and annihilator. That is the purpose of the Krsna consciousness movement.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.11.9 Purport)
..defect of the modern politicians. Here at the present moment, their philosophy is that one must be very cunning diplomat, then he's successful politician. This is their philosophy. The most crooked man, like Cāṇakya. But our philosophy is that the political head should be like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, Lord Rāmacandra. That is difference. Here Churchill or Hitler or similar man, crooked man... Without being crooked one cannot become politician. Lloyd George, the British Prime Minister, he said that "Consistency in politics is the qualification of an ass." Consistency. You must change. ()
Now we have got our great personalities, leaders. They are praised, eulogized, our, these political leaders. "Our Hitler," "Our Gandhi," "Our Churchill," "Our Nixon." But sastra says these leaders, those who are not spiritual leaders, those who cannot give our life, they are worshiped by these classes of animals, animals. These so-called leaders, politicians, they are eulogized very much by whom? By these class of men: dogs, camels, asses and.. (Srila Prabhupada)
Disciple: Nietzsche believed that everyone has a “will to power,” but that the weak seek power vainly. For instance, in his will to power, Hitler sought to subjugate as much of the world as possible, but he was ultimately unsuccessful, and he brought disaster upon himself and Germany. Instead of trying to conquer himself, he attempted to conquer others, and this is the will to power misdirected or misinterpreted.
Srila Prabhupada: Men like Hitler are not able to control the force of anger. A king or national leader has to use anger properly. Narottama Dasa Thakura says that we should control our powers and apply them in the proper cases. We may become angry, but our anger must be controlled.
(Beyond Illusion and Doubt. 12. Nietzsche)
Prabhupada: Well, foolish men cannot accept any logic. Their logic is stick. "If you don't accept, I shall kick on your face. Accept it." That is the... That is wanted.
Karandhara: Like the example when Hitler killed the Jews. They will say, "Well, what should we do, just let Hitler go on killing the Jews because the Jews were sinful? Or should we try and stop Hitler?"
Prabhupada: Well, Hitler was imperfect and everything was imperfect. That you cannot compare Hitler's action with God's action. God is all-perfect. That is first proposition. God is all-perfect.
(Morning Walk. Los Angeles 73-12-16)
Just like in the history of the world there were so many big, big men - Hitler, Napoleon, this Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru. But all their powers, position, in one minute it becomes vanquished. There is no question... They are so proud, they do not believe in God, but when the death comes, they cannot argue anything. The death orders, "Immediately vacate"—finished. You have to vacate. At that time their power, opulence, position—nothing can help. So Kṛṣṇa says, therefore... The atheist class of men who do not believe in God, decry the authority of God, for them... Of course, everyone dies, but for them, mṛtyuḥ sarva-haraś cāham (BG 10.34): Kṛṣṇa comes as death and takes away everything in their possession. But foolish persons, they do not see, still. God says, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This death I am." Still they'll not. And it is a fact. When Kṛṣṇa comes as death, as Hiraṇyakaśipu... He was atheist, did not believe in God, but when God, Nṛsiṁha-deva came, then he was vanquished, everything, within a second. Nirastaḥ. Sa tu te nirastaḥ.
(Lecture SB 07.09.23 Mayapur- March 01, 1976)
Prabhupada: Is that rational, that another living entity like me should be killed for my benefit, for satisfying my tongue?
Syämasundara: Their idea is that the animal is not in the same category as myself because it has no...
Prabhupäda: So that's alright; then might is right? Hitler is right? When Hitler, Hitler kills the Jews, he's right? He thinks that they are not in my category.
Syämasundara: The animal cannot understand philosophy.
Prabhupäda: What does he understand of philosophy? He is mad; he is less than an animal. He does not understand philosophy. He does not know that the animal has also a soul, the animal has also life. Then he should be killed first.
(Dialectical Spirtualism - Hegel)
This nationalism, this nationalism also the same mistake, but they are fighting so much. Great, great, big, big men. In this country, Napoleon fought. In Germany, Hitler fought. And so many others, in our country Gandhi fought. But he is in ignorance. All these big big leaders, they are ignorance, andha, blind. Blind. They do not know that he is not this body and neither this land belongs to him. But they fight. The whole history of the world means this mistaken idea. "I" and "mine." Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, yat taj jñānam. Kṣetra-kṣetrajñayor yat taj-jñānaṁ mataṁ mama. Kṛṣṇa is giving, that one should know what he is and one should know what is his body, then he is in knowledge. The matter cannot understand this. The dogs, cats, cannot understand this. But a human being can understand this. Bhagavad-gītā is meant for the human being, not for the cats and dogs. Therefore, the human society should take care of this knowledge. Then his life will be successful.(Lecture on BG 13.3 -- Paris, August 11, 1973)] All.glories (talk) 09:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Read WP:WALLOFTEXT. Then, try again: write here what you want to change in the article, but short and structured and with reliable sources. --Hob Gadling (talk) 09:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 21:16, 24 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2023 

message: Per consensus above:
* updated "Sources" — diff (do not get alarmed by the sheer size of the addition at 75,600 bytes, as there are 156 academic, 37 media, and 43 ISKCON-related sources); 
* fixed errors in citations —diff;
* replaced part of section "Biography" with "Early life", restructured and renamed second-level section titles under "Biography" — diff;
* added appropriate Maintenance templates to "Sources" and "Early life" sections. Cinosaur (talk) 13:17, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Go ! Thanks for your work on the article so far. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, . I hope you and other editors will be willing to review and, if needed, revise the updated section (and all other upcoming sections) for possible issues. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 14:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Early life 

message: * updated "Midlife (1922–1965)" — diff;
* fixed multiple targets error for Bryant & Ekstrand 2004 and Rochford 2007 references — diff;
* moved Maintenance template from "Early life" to "Midlife"; Cinosaur (talk) 03:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Midlife 

message: * updated "Later years (1965-1977" — diff;
* moved Maintenance template from "Midlife" to "Later years";
* re-added several statements and citations from the previous revision — diff. Cinosaur (talk) 03:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Later years 

message: * added "Philosophy and teachings" — diff;
* moved Maintenance template from "Later years" to "Philosophy and teachings". Cinosaur (talk) 03:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Philosophy and teachings 

message: suggested above to consider merging "Principal writings" and "Critical assessments of Prabhupada's writings", the latter naturally falling under the former as a subsection. On the other hand, since "Critical assessments" is so developed and voluminous — and potentially growing ever larger as more scholarly reviews of his writings emerge — it might be more justified to keep it as a separate major section. Any thoughts? To facilitate the discussion, I added both:      
* added "Principal" writings" and "Critical assessment of Prabhupada's writings" — diff;
* moved Maintenance template from "Philosophy and teachings" to "Principal writings".
Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 04:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: , good point, it may grow. To clarify my original point, I was thinking more in terms of here is one book, then reviews follow, then repeat. I suppose some will cover more than one book, so it might make sense to keep those separate. But putting them together might also help keep the section focused. Jroberson108 (talk) 18:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Principal writings and Critical assessments 

message: * Since the four remaining sections are rather short and straightforward, I have added them together — diff. 
Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 07:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Influence, Recognition, Commemoration, Bibliography 

message: Now that, thanks to many editors' feedback and contributions, the revised and expanded article's final part has been posted, I have also updated the lead in compliance with WP:LEAD. Looking forward to your comments. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 08:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I have updated the lead to try and incorporate more detail about his criticism and also scholarly recognition of his impact, per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Relative emphasis and the discussion above. I also removed a reference to "advocacy of Hitler's crimes", because 1) the source previously cited (a movie review) is not WP:RS enough to support this claim; 2) no academic WP:RSs in general document Prabhupada's pronouncements about Hitler, much less see them as indicative of his "advocacy of Hitler's crimes", and 3) per WP:UNDUE and MOS:LEADREL, such marginal facts do not belong in the lead anyhow. Please revise it as you see fit. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update: Lead 

message: The article states "On November 14, 1977, at the age of 81, after a long illness, Prabhupada passed away in his room at the Krishna Balaram Mandir", do we have any references telling us what this long illness was? I have personally found some sources that say it was from diabetes.
Some of Prabhupada's die-hard followers like Nityananda Das are saying there was a conspiracy theory to assassinate Prabhupada by poisoning ,  whilst others such as Satsvarupa dasa Goswami have dismissed this. None of these sources would pass WP:RS and Nityananda's conspiracy theory is definitely WP:Fringe that is not supported by any medical evidence. There was a statement by a surgeon Andrew J. McIrvine who operated on Prabhupada who stated  "He was in obviously poor health and showed signs of renal failure and was found to be diabetic" . It would be useful to cite McIrvine but I doubt a reliable source documents this information. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for bringing up this issue. Yes, it seems that there are very few, if any, WP:RSs for the cause of Prabhupada's death in scholarly sources. Prompted by your inquiry, however, I've just found this reference for "diabetes and complications following a stroke" as the cause of his death in Eastern Mysteries. Still, being the only source we have, and non-academic at that, it might be prudent to place it in a footnote to "long illness" until a more reliable source is found. I've just done that, but please feel free to change it as you see fit. And, like you, I wish some reliable sources published McIrvine's statement. If memory serves, it was reprinted in a GBC's rebuttal to the poison issue titled "Not That I Am Poisoned", but I don't have a copy to verify. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 20:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Disappointing that no academics or scholars have touched the cause of death. Most sources just say he died of an illness, there are is no specific detail in the academic literature. I have spent a long time looking on archive.org, Google Books, JSTOR, Hathitrust there is absolutely nothing. The best source I have seen to cover the topic is  but again this wouldn't be considered a reliable source so we can't cite it on Wikipedia. The Eastern Mysteries book you added it probably the best source that we have for this right now. Hopefully some other sources come to light but this is doubtful because I have looked in a lot of places. Psychologist Guy (talk) 23:27, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of death

message: As requested by Cinosaur, providing my suggestions here. I am evaluating the same as per WP:GA standards.Redtigerxyz  Talk  13:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestions