Talk:2002 Appalachian School of Law shooting

message: there has been more attention and editing towards this article. Please make sure you cite your sources that you are working with to edit on here.
Also, could we monitor this page...some previous edits I have seen on here are not factually accurate. Chrisfortier 00:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can do. I should say, though, that the edits you removed about the students who disarmed the shooter appeared to be accurate. I've added references to support those facts.--Alabamaboy 14:53, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then lets add in that the info is disputed. To do that, though, we'll need a reliable source for what you're saying. I've also added in several other reliable sources for the info that is currently there. Best, --Alabamaboy 17:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One article: http://www.roanoke.com/columnists/hart/wb/xp-1420. A second article, that state things more accurately, (written by the Dean of the school at the time, who had access to Peter O's academic records) http://law.utoledo.edu/students/lawreview/volumes/v36n1/Davis%20WJ.htm. An example is the common misconception that Peter O failed out...he didn't at the time of the shooting, read the footnote in the article. Another article by a professor there at the time: http://www.law.stetson.edu/lawrev/abstracts/PDF/32-1Davis.pdf. Another eyewitness account: http://www.elkintribune.com/Archives/Archives%202002/feb13/Local%20man.html. A more complete account with more eyewitness testimony: http://www.thefeeddirectory.com/p/Feed-Viewer-Appalachian-School-of-Law-Shootings___218,,,3120.html. I'm working on finding a source that states the timeline properly. What is written in the article is wrong. My main concern is that everything is portrayed accurately and fairly.Chrisfortier 01:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like good sources. We'll need to change the info about him possibly having a mental illness (although the sources appear to be conflicted on that, and the state found him competent for trial--can you give a better source on this), and about him failing out. However, nothing in the sources you give contradicts the other sources about two of the students using guns. That information is clearly laid out by a number of extremely reliable sources. The Elkin Tribune article doesn't mention that issue either way, while the Roanoke Times & World News (Roanoke, VA) timeline supports that use of the guns. Excellent work. I've already added in some of the info. Best, --Alabamaboy 01:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Another source: http://www.bradreagan.com/appalachia.html. One of my main concerns is that the roles of both the armed and unarmed students are placed in the article.  The story as I have understood it (from sources that were there) was that two armed and two unarmed people restrained the shooter. I also have a letter to the editor that was published on February 7, 2006 to the Roanoke Times which contradicts the total article. (I have it stored but cannot find it online.)Chrisfortier 02:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Another couple of sources (about mental health): http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/01/lawsuits_over_a.php and  http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1104154541130 and http://lmtonline.com/news/archive/061204/pagea9.pdf Chrisfortier 04:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I realize that in the midst of the Virginia Tech shootings, 

message: Since there is increased attention on this article given recent tragic events, I think it important to provide consistency - anybody versed in firearms knows there is a difference between a .38 (the first mention in the article) and a .380, as mentioned later. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.107.67.88 (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: .38 was was the news article stated and I've made this correction.--Alabamaboy 20:11, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This source says both.  If it was really a semi-auto (and, if it had a magazine, it probably was) it's very unlikely it's a .38.  .380 is a very common auto pistol cartridge; .38 special is not.  Friday (talk) 20:30, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see the problem. We're using the same source and they list it both ways (at different parts of the story)! How irritating. We'll have to check another source to find out. However, I'm betting its the .380.--Alabamaboy 20:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's one. Friday (talk) 20:57, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alas, the media's understanding of firearms seems to be less than thorough.  Though a .38 and a .380 are two very different cartridges, they are unlikely to know that and report accurately.  Izuko 03:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  So which is it? 

message: In response to Newt Gingrich's account of the story...http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-sou--virginiatech-gin0424apr24,0,3795608.story?coll=dp-headlines-virginia from Ted Besen himself. He was one of the unarmed students who restrained Peter O. I knew something like this would come out. Chrisfortier 01:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link is dead. Probably expired. What was the point? Greswik 13:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of the restrainers speaks out 

message: This event had more to it than what is indicated on the article (who did the restraining, what the gun was).  There was a major mental health element to the story. Here is a source of analysis: http://www.law.stetson.edu/lawrev/abstracts/PDF/32-1Epstein.pdf Chrisfortier 18:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Add it in. --Alabamaboy 00:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mental Health 

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