Talk:Moshe Feiglin

message: *There seems to be some issue with whether or not Feiglin should be classified as a "right-wing" politician, with one poster suggesting that this term was a "stereotype." I feel that the fact that right-wing can sometimes be used as a stereotype does not detract from its potential to be used as an accurate descriptor, as well. If you look at the Israeli political spectrum, Manhigut is clearly on the right, and Feiglin represents the wing of the religious right (as opposed to Netenyahu's secular right) in the Likud. I am reverting the edit for the time being; anyone with thoughts on this please feel free to contribute to the discussion. ShalomShlomo 15:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Right-Wing

message: *I (not the same person as above) would be delighted if someone would add information about what Feiglin does for a living.  I haven't been able to find out.
:I don't really have time to translate, but the hebrew wikipedia mentions that he had a start-up company, of which he transfered ownership to a friend when he went into politics (I presume this friend gives him a stipend, or that his wife works for both their living)Daniel tzvi 06:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When I've heard him speak he has mentioned on occasion that he set up a business cleaning the windows of high-rise buildings, which he sold to a friend / employee.  Beyond that, I've heard that Manhigut covers his travel and business-related expenses, in comments about the budget, but have no verifiable sources for either piece of information.  (I share the fact here and not on the page so that curious people can know.)  Whether he also receives honoraria for his appearances, and/or compensation for his articles, is an open question.  -- 192.115.133.116 (talk) 20:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Profession?

message: While it is accurate to say (as Wikipedia's entry on Karnei Shomron does) that it is an Israeli local council, it is not accurate to describe it (as the entry on Feiglin does) as "Karnei Shomron, Israel". The fact is that Karnei Shomron is in the occupied West Bank and that its status awaits the outcome of final status negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority. Until then, it would be best to say that Feiglin lives in the "Israeli West Bank settlement of Karnei Shomron". 203.5.59.1 09:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If its status awaits the outcome, etc., then it is can be termed disputed.  Labels such as "occupied" (and, strictly speaking, "settlement") are POV.  We can give the location an address simply by specifying it geographically. Hertz1888 06:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify, or rather to say that it is only as clear as the writer makes it. There is no doubt that Karnei Shomron is in Israel and always will be, though it is not within the widely recognized 1949 borders of the 'State of Israel'. Karnei Shomron is also in Palestine like the country of Jordan remains. Depends on how you look at things. --Shuki 18:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karnei Shomron, Israel 

message: There's mention in the article of Yossi Sarid's claim that Feiglin "praised Hitler".  Feiglin sued the last journalist who made this false claim, and only lost because of freedom of the press issues.
In a recent TV interview, Feiglin explained where the false claim came from.  It's in Hebrew, but I can link to the video if you like.  Back when he was running Zo Artzenu, a reporter (Ada Oshpiz) told him that demonstrating against the Oslo accords was "undemocratic", because they were okayed by a democratically elected government.  Feiglin pointed out to him that being democratically elected didn't make all decisions of a government "democratic".  He gave Hitler as an example.  Hitler was elected democratically, and in the beginning, he gave the people what he promised.  The trains ran on time, he gave them a sense of national pride.
Basically, he was using Hitler to show that a government being elected democratically doesn't make it automatically legitimate.  But the reporter took what he said out of context, reversed it, and claimed that it was "praise" of Hitler.
Someone took out the term "alleged" because there's a source.  But the source is not reliable.  It's an article written by a political opponent of Feiglin's, and is Sarid's opinion.  As such, alleged is the very most you can say about the claim.  Frankly, I don't think the statement should be in this article at all, but I'd rather discuss it before yanking it. -LisaLiel (talk) 22:35, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is already qualified as Sarid's claim. Maybe we could reword it to make it more clear. -- Nudve (talk) 06:21, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yossi Sarid and Hitler 

message: 01:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feiglin on Revocation of Israeli Arabs' Citizenship 

message: Whoever put in the first six footnotes, which are un-sourced, but appear to be quotes from the Manhigut platform, is really doing Feiglin a disservice.
It would be better to just give the source and then a snippet quote.  As it is, it reads like a campaign web page.  Blather like "Feiglin advocates predicating Israeli policy on three principles: Liberty, Jewish Identity and restoring Meaning into Israeli life" is meaningless.  What Israeli Jewish politician does NOT support liberty, Jewish identity and restoring meaning?  That in no way distinguishes Feiglin, who in fact avoids empty rhetoric and has built his movement on blunt and precise statements of policy.  What's important (and unique)  is HOW Feiglin proposes to so those things.
However, since Manhigut has completely changed its website as of a few days ago, all of the cites to it are now dead links.
Those of you out there who want this page to be a campaign poster for Manhigut would better serve his cause by providing the appropriate cites to the new Manhigut website.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiflyboyman (talk • contribs) 03:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a campaign website 

message: I echo the comment made above; the prose reads like a campaign website, not a Wikipedia article. As such, I've tagged it as not complying with NPOV. Sceptre (talk) 20:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I fully agree both with you and the user above. This whole article is based almost entirely on material from the subject's support website. That is not how to write articles on Wikipedia. I'm removing this material as per WP:NPOV.Jeppiz (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV issues 

message: A couple of editors have taken it upon themselves to add the category Israeli criminals to this article.  This is blatant POV pushing.  A person who is convicted for non-violent civil disobedience is not a "criminal".  And that arrest and conviction are already mentioned with undue weight in the article.
Nelson Mandela's article does not include the category South American criminals, despite the violent nature of his crimes.  Mahatma Gandhi's article, ditto.  If we were to go through Wikipedia and mark every article about a person who was once convicted of anything as a criminal, it would be ridiculous.  But, of course, that's not going to happen, because this is a specific action taken towards a specific politician for specific reasons.
If that goes on one more time, I'm taking this to the dispute resolution noticeboard.  I'll ramp up measures from there if need be.  - Lisa (talk - contribs) 01:12, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Israeli criminal" 

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message: Couple of issues with this.  First, isn't that party now defunct, and the subject back in regular-authoritarian-variety-Zionist party Likud?  Secondly, even if "libertarian" was that party's self-descriptor, a quick look at his assorted far-right views makes it clear it's at best WP:UNDUE for the lead sentence, and more accurately, wildly inaccurate, misleading and self-serving.  "Even more authoritarian, only with capitalism and cannabis" seems closer to the mark.  So this seems to need a rework on both counts.  109.255.211.6 (talk) 00:35, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "the leader of libertarian Zionist party Zehut"