Talk:Bangs (hair)

message: Growing out a shaved head will always result in bangs...should we add this?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.219.144 (talk) 20:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...that's great. I have Afro hair, so if I shave my head, it will always grow out with a fringe..!!! 2.121.223.104 (talk) 18:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Bangs and shaved heads

message: Why can a fringe not be over the eyes?! This is one of the most common styles of fringe/bangs...
82.29.77.158 19:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Eyes

message: Why is the article called "bangs" when only Americans call them "bangs"... call it a fringe >_< 222.153.147.13 09:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean Americans and Canadians. And the simple fact of the matter is that Americans and Canadians are more Common than people from the UK, so it makes more sense to call it bangs.--71.36.43.16 18:06, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually its wikipedia.org--2.97.89.48 (talk) 19:14, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Bangs?!?

message: I've removed the image of the model Francesca Dani from the Bangs (hair) page, as it is certainly not fair use of a copyright image. It'd be fine on a page about the model herself, but not about the hairstyle she happens to be sporting. Also, I note from the edit history that this removal had been done before, by User:MattKingston, so I'm not entirely sure why I have to do it again.  Unless people are feeling anarchistic about licensing law - I know I do sometimes.  -- (James McNally)  (talkpage)  02:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Francesca Dani image - not fair use 

message: I'll have to see if I have any pictures I can use. Someone should also put this in a section about style or something, since it seems to be a "growing" fashion trend. 
SwedishConqueror 23:53, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hmmm

message: As per the first entry, why is this listed as bands and not fringe?  Thus, I moved it to what the entire world (minus one country) knows it as.  No disrespect intended by this, I just figured that the majority of viewers would be stumped trying to work out what's going on when looking for this article. Jachin 09:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Be Bold

message: I disagree, fringe and bangs are clearly not the same thing, as far as popular culture in the United States is concerned.  The article here clearly states "except that it does not cover the eyes."  In the US, when referring to bangs, it absolutely can cover the eyes (and is quite acceptable and I hung out with a girl who had this style last night).  In fact, in the broadest sense I'd say bangs in the United States are loosely defined as curled or straight hair which covers some part of the forehead using hair across the full width of the forehead. It can include the eyes.  The most typical definition being "hair with the ends pointed generally downward and when viewing a profile of a person curls outward over the forehead."
It seems to be a case where loosely translated fringe and bangs are the same but within their own culture usage there is a subtle but important difference and I think they should be separate articles.
216.253.200.145 18:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO fringe can cover the eyes. It's called a long fringe. :P --pfctdayelise (talk) 12:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disagree, Bangs are not Fringe

message: How come this page is called "Fringe"? Why shouldn't it be called "Bang"?
67.87.184.150 20:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought fringe was the correct term and bang was more of a slang term.  *shrug* I don't really mind where it is.  Liam Markham 12:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Canadians don't count. They are inferior Yanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.21.42 (talk) 06:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huh? 

message: For Americans seeking information, this article should be changed to "bangs" rather than "fringe." Fringe can be referenced, but should be excluded beyond that. This is wikipedia.com. It is not wikipedia.co.uk.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.200.117 (talk) 04:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Givwn that '.org' is not country specific, and that Wikipedia's policy is that it's global, not US-centric and really, that's all that matters.  If we can agree that this isn't just for American users, then the next point is to ask "How many countries are there that use the word 'Fringe', and how many are there that use 'Bangs'?"  I think that as both terms are used, BOTH should be at the top - I just wonder which one should be first?  Given that a greater amount of countries and cultures use 'Fringe' then that should go first.  However, I'm waiting for someone else to come along who will insist it should be 'Bangs', then another for Fringe', etc., etc... groovygower (talk) 02:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should be bangs 

message: === The problem ===
Some considerations:
* Bangs is obscure to a UK reader. I arrived here to find out what it meant. Because it's used here, I found out.
* Bangs is standard in North America. We don't know who else does or doesn't use it. Other countries tend to use some mixture of US and UK vocabulary, so it seems likely that some countries will use bangs and some will use fringe.
* Given that the population of the US is only something like 250 or 300 million, fewer than half of whom have English as their first language, US speakers are unlikely to be a majority of English speakers. Just a larger minority than British speakers are.
* Readers will search for either term, depending where they're from and why they're searching. Some, like me, will have intentionally searched for the "foreign" one.
* If the two are not synonyms, the differences need clarifying. If that's not possible because of disagreement about whether they're the same, then the disagreeement's existence is a piece of information belonging in the article.
* As the article stands, the grammar is a mess in many places where it tries to use bangs (plural) and fringe (singular) in the same sentence.
* If only one term is used, the article will have geographical bias towards the countries which use that term. So for neutrality, both are needed.
=== Suggested solution ===
Assuming the distinction between the two can be clarified but is not huge:
* Rename the article Bangs, fringe, and redirect both bangs and fringe to it.
* Include a general section containing information that's indisputably applicable to both. Use bangs or fringes early on, then refer to them and they as much as possible. Avoid repeatedly using one term without the other.
* Include a section Fringe versus bangs or similar, mentioning (i) the different UK and US usage, and (ii) the differences of meaning if any.
* In the list of hairstyles, include both the US terms which refer to bangs, and the UK ones which refer to fringe. Where they're equivalent, say so. Where they're not, explain both.
It doesn't make sense to have two sides each protesting "But why doesn't the article use the term that's common in my country?". Both terms are relevant, and the difference of usage is surely one of the pieces of information that belongs in the article.
Musiconeologist (talk) 00:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Both terms are needed 

message: Assuming the distinction between the two can be clarified but is not huge:
* Rename the article Bangs, fringe, and redirect both bangs and fringe to it.
* Include a general section containing information that's indisputably applicable to both. Use bangs or fringes early on, then refer to them and they as much as possible. Avoid repeatedly using one term without the other.
* Include a section Fringe versus bangs or similar, mentioning (i) the different UK and US usage, and (ii) the differences of meaning if any.
* In the list of hairstyles, include both the US terms which refer to bangs, and the UK ones which refer to fringe. Where they're equivalent, say so. Where they're not, explain both.
It doesn't make sense to have two sides each protesting "But why doesn't the article use the term that's common in my country?". Both terms are relevant, and the difference of usage is surely one of the pieces of information that belongs in the article.
Musiconeologist (talk) 00:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested solution 

message: So, has this been decided yet?  I can't see why it can't be both in the title.  Yes I'm a Brit, but I also don't see how 'bangs' is informal... however as 'fringe' is recognised globally IF one or the other had to be chosen, fringe would appear more logical.  At the same time, a Canadian Wikipedian said that (s)he doesn't recognise the term 'fringe' (that said, is 'fringe' in the Canadian and US dictionaries?).  But WHY can't se just use BOTH? groovygower (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: "Fringe" isn't recognized globally. As you point out, Canadians don't recognize it, and obviously we know Americans don't. That's basically a whole continent and a huge chunk of the global English-speaking population there. -Pfhorrest (talk) 20:54, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have we finally settled this yet? 

message: User:Mjharrison just moved this page yet again without consensus (despite his edit summary to the contrary, which also falsely claims "fringe" was the original title of this article when the edit history clearly shows otherwise). He did it using some really ugly hack involving a temp name to get around technical limitations that should have prevented that without administrator help. I tried to revert using the same hack but apparently I'm not doing something right. I really think we need some admin attention here to stop people from moving this page willy-nilly without clear talk page consensus, but I'm unclear what process to use to request that. --Pfhorrest (talk) 04:50, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've contacted admin User:Calidum who reverted Mjharrison last time to intervene again. --Pfhorrest (talk) 04:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I started a thread at WP:ANI. Thanks for the heads up. Calidum Talk To Me 17:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. For those reading back from the future, admin User:Timrollpickering moved the page back to Bangs (hair) and move-protected it. The ANI thread in question is at WP:ANI#Move_warring_by_Mjharrison, also, where sanctions against Mjharrison have been suggested as well.. --Pfhorrest (talk) 21:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved without consensus 

message: Why is this article listed as Bangs? Do peoples foreheads explode? As far as I'm aware fringe is well understood across the world while Bangs is only known in North America. Even if it was originally created as Bangs, surely being understood is more important? 86.173.116.118 (talk) 14:11, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, I know... It saddens me too but apparently the most common term across the entire planet was judged 'foreign' <sigh>. My main concern is what the the hell do our NA cousins call actual bangs, as opposed to a person's fringe? I almost daren't google it... Blitterbug 18:26, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah this article really confused me and I didnt know where to find the article for Fringe. It seems really ridiculous to me that its called Bangs, its definitely not known outside of America and Canada at all and I would have presumed that the more normal name would have been used as opposed to one thats relatively obscure regardless of if it seems as though its BrE vs AmE. This should be more of a matter of common sense than Wikipdia policy. EEEEEE1 (talk) 12:58, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Jesus, people. To North Americans "fringe" is just as weird and confusing as "bangs" is to you. There's a linguistic difference, it's going to seem weird and confusing to someone no matter what, and that's why the WP policy is to stick with whichever was first, because you could fight back and forth about it forever and nobody would ever win. So give it a rest. --Pfhorrest (talk) 19:14, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't consider 'Fringe' weird and confusing in the same way that 'Bangs' are. The fringe is the fringe of your hair, what the hell are bangs supposed to be? 100% confusing to everyone who isnt American. And remember this is a Wiki, its not about winning or losing things as you seem to think. EEEEEE1 (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: You are presumably from somewhere that uses "fringe" instead of "bangs", so of course "fringe" would not sound weird or confusing to you. But it's "100% confusing" to everyone used to the other way around. And I'm not the one arguing for a change one way or another, so I'm not the one about "winning"; I'm the one saying hey, stop fighting, there's no right answer here so leave it be. --Pfhorrest (talk) 18:07, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: No ones fighting except you apparently as you seem so intent on saying that we are; I am just simply pointing out that exploding foreheads arent exactly a common occurance and that one term is more common and comprehensible than the other.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EEEEEE1 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bangs?? 

message: Bangs "hair cut straight across the forehead," is evidently attested in 1878 (in the singular), in American English, and in a similar usage was attested from 1870 of horses (bang-tail), perhaps from notion of abruptness (as in bang off "immediately, without delay," though this expression is attested only from 1886). Fringe is much older, deriving in the 14th century from French frenge 'thread, hem, fringe' < Latin fimbria, thread, fringe'. -- Evertype·✆ 21:33, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The next time the Bangs vs Fringe argument comes up 

message: The squabble over "Bangs" vs "Fringe" may be the dumbest edit-war I've ever seen, outside of the endless debate over how many i's are in Aluminum.98.211.26.94 (talk) 09:46, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Give me a break! 

message: I found this page trying to figure out what bangs are. It took one sentence to get the answer. The long winded waste of resources that this entry represents is ludicrous. Merge it and then the ridiculous war over fringe/bangs bangs/fringe can be put to rest.
124.170.8.114 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has this minor and unimportant subject got it's own page? 

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