Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Gaeilge

message: Evertype asked above how we are going to set about this work. I was working systematically (but slowly and intermittently) through :Category:Towns and villages in Ireland by county. Maybe we could do up a table, then individual editors could "check-out" a county, go through it systematically, and when finished mark it off as being completed (with whatever additional notes). This way we could all work at our own pace, but still be systematic.
:Also, is there any way of cross checking categories against each other? If so we could create categories of translated and untranslated place articles and run these against the whole places in Ireland category.
::Anyhow, these are just for place names, are there any other ideas for work? --sony-youthpléigh 18:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we ought to have a big table that can be checked and verified. I have a lot of place-name materials here at thou house... Joyce and the Onomasticon and lots more... but gods there are errors out there. An example is near me in Westport, lovely Bertra. There's a sign pointing to it. Barr Trá which is the worst of folk etymologies. The name of the place is Beartrach which is a sandy oyster bank. -- Evertype·✆ 23:30, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Been to visit Mallach Íde lately? Or the lovely Mála :-) Seriously - I've seen all these, and all have been council-endorsed. *sigh* - Alison ❤ 00:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Systematic? 

message: Alison mentioned having a 19th century book but two official books that might be useful are Gasaitéar na hÉireann (Gazetteer of Ireland) published by the Irish Stationary Office and prepared by The Placenames Board of the OSI dated 1989 . It bilingually gives the names of principal geographic places of population and physical features with the county, national grid reference co-ordinates and pronunciations. Unfortunately no name derivations are given but the 30 page introduction is very interesting. The 1969 Ainmneacha Gaeilge na mBailte Poist (Names of Irish post towns) is also useful listing similar names but produced before the Irish language Commission (1973) from which the SI 133/1975 "Place-names (Irish Forms) (No. 1) (Postal Towns) Order 1975" was produced and the Irish version is online here.
The most recent publications of the Placenames Branch are listed here but their Gazetteer of Ireland / Gasaitéar na hÉireann, slated for 2003 has yet to appear though it states that 6 county books have been produced. I did not see them when I was in Dublin last, thought they did have one massive c €35 book for one county - I was not that dedicated to buy it nor do I remember which one. However look at the Legal Status of Ireland's Placenames for pdf versions of 7 county place names. Download them all and use them as they are the latest such documents being produced under one of Éamon Ó Cuív's agendas.
If you need anything from my other books, just ask. Cheers ww2censor 18:13, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Placename resources

message: I often use  for place names where no English translation is needed. Should we continue to use this template or should we change the relevant articles to , regardless of there being a need to provide an English translation? 
Also, would it be possible to provide a shorthand version of ? eg.  (logainm ghaelach). Having to type Irish place name each time is a bit tedious, but if adding alias templates messes things up, best forget about it. Wiki01916 21:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: - nothing like being BOLD :) - Alison ❤ 22:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Booterstown () - OK, that's great, but I'm worried this will mess up Sony's no_translate=true. Perhaps we could have something like , where t= translation needed; and f = false? BTW, Sony, if you see a better way to implement these shorthand templates, please let us know. Wiki01916 23:01, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I've seen this project mentioned on a few user talk pages I've frequented recently, and I'm interested. I'd like to know the answer to your first question here, though, should we replace  with /? --The.Q(t)(c) 17:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say, yes, replace  with /, that way we can have control place names that need translations etc. --sony-youthpléigh 16:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I figured, I've changed one or two at this stage, and I'll add my name on here, and do a bit when I can. GRMA. --The.Q(t)(c) 16:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  <code><nowiki>{{lang-ga}}</nowiki></code> 

message: I reviewed some of the pages I mentioned above I see the following statement concerning the use of placenames in English that seems to cover the use of English language placenames for places who now have legal Irish names as stated here (my emphasis): 
Where the Minister makes an Order in respect of a Gaeltacht placename, the English version of that placename ceases to have any legal force and effect. While this is without prejudice to any private use and most public use of the English version, the Act provides that the English version may not be used in future in Acts of the Oireachtas or Statutory Instruments, or road and street signs or on Ordnance Survey Maps (with the details of which maps are covered by this provision to be set out in regulations). So we are specifically allowed to use the English version of a town like Dingle. ww2censor 03:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem using the official name An Daingean. -- Evertype·✆ 08:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, under the common name Wiki-rule "Dingle" would probably be OK as even the inhabitants are divided. I have a personal preference for calling a place what most of the natives call it. In many cases, like Connemara, the local usage is either in Irish or as spoken in English sounds like the Irish name; I'd have no difficulty with "Irish only" in such cases. It will be very difficult to have a "one-rule-fits-all" for this issue. (Though I think we need to keep to recognised versions, we don't want articles about "Dunleary")(Sarah777 09:38, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Placename use in English

message: I've just had a look down through the article entitled Place names in Irish and see that a bit of work needs to be done there correcting spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. While the material is on the whole accurate, the author seems to have taken some liberty with some names, particulaly foreign placenames, evidence for which I can't find anywhere. For foreign placenames, I think we should rely on focal.ie and the Atlas Bunscoile, both of which contain names sanctioned by the Terminology Committee of Foras na Gaeilge. I'll try and clean up the article when I get a chance. An Muimhneach Machnamhach 17:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Placenames in Irish' article

message: Hi. Discussion at Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike#Irish language is relevant to this taskforce. jnestorius(talk) 10:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Events 

message: I have added the following text to the Manual of Style:
#If someone did not use the Irish version of his or her name, it is neither appropriate nor encyclopaedic for Wikipedians to "invent" such names. Books about Irish surnames are interesting and useful, but making use of them to devise Irish names for subjects of the Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, as it constitutes original research.
I trust it will solve some of the problems we have had of late. -- Evertype·✆ 11:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you considered a bombing campaign, Domer? That might help? (If it was legitimate, of course...And valid.)--feline1 (talk) 17:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What kind of comment is that to make, suppose it is typical of the mob recruited for this RfC. In case you need to be reminded read WP:CIVIL and stop with the ridiculous comments. BigDunc (talk) 18:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, while it wasn't quite WP:CIVIL to YELL OUT YOUR ENTIRE SENTENCE EITHER... I have to agree, with Dunc and Domer on one thing, and that's the comment about a bombing campaign being over the line,  Feline1. Do not make such a comment again, as you could be blocked for such intemperate comments. SirFozzie (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a little satire, my dears. No controlled explosions necessary. And please don't insult the intelligence of editors here. We've all been very patient, supplying factual reasoning on this RfC... but we all know full well the issue remains, ultimately, asinine sectarianism. --feline1 (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sectarianism is not at all at issue.  Assine maybe.  Certainly obstinate in the face of the fact that the text proposed by Evertype expresses the clear consensus among every regular editor of Irish articles.  Not a single editor has supported Domer48's position.  It's time to move on. Meanwhile, to sling a very smelly red herring into the debate is unwelcome and unproductive.--Red King (talk) 00:52, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Closure 

message: I was recently asked for an opinion on whether the Russian Wikipedia should go with the Anglicized versions of town names in Ireland or the Irish/Gaeilge versions. My response is here but I really think they need more input so I've posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland and I'm dropping messages to a few of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Gaeilge taskforce members in hopes that some of you might be up to helping on this. Slán, Pigman☿ 20:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian WP and Irish towns 

message: Would anyone be horribly offended if we changed the color on the border of the userbox? I would prefer something more green-ish, or any other color, really. - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 19:07, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Userbox 

message: Someone has added some Irish road signs to Comparison of European road signs, and my best guess is that they've run the terms through Google Translate to get the Irish versions.  As a result, they've also ended up including terms that aren't relevant, such as "priority road" (IIRC Ireland, like the UK, doesn't have this concept).  Much appreciated if someone could go and fix them up with the correct terms (ideally from whatever your answer to the Highway Code is).  Thanks, 92.27.136.232 (talk) 12:14, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Road traffic law 

message: Is the Gaeilge taskforce interested in articles about the Irish language, such as Irish phonology and other articles in :Category:Irish language? The defined scope doesn't suggest it is, and :Category:Gaeilge task force articles is empty anyway. But maybe people are interested in expanding the scope. Thoughts? Angr (talk) 11:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles about Irish 

message: *Badb#Representations in legends
I put in the OI of "The Morrígan's Prophecy" from CELT: Cath Maige Tuired: The Second Battle of Mag Tuired. The English translation has been shared around for years, with a variety of people tweaking it. I think it's pretty straightforward, but would appreciate someone with more OI to check it. What had been there previously was a modern English version (translated from a Modern Irish variation) that, while creative and poetic, diverged pretty significantly from the original Irish. Go raibh maith agaibh, - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 20:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a look. I was so free as to change your https link to an internal link since not everyone can or wants to use https. Angr (talk) 20:49, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick response! - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 20:52, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old Irish Translation: Need Eyes on This 

message: Could use some eyes on the language issues in the Ogham article. For instance: diff. See also the talk page of the article, and the history. This has been going on for a while. I don't think mispronunciations of Irish words should even be included, let alone be given priority in the lede. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 01:02, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Anglicized mispronunciations of Irish words being given priority

message: Could use more eyes. Especially from those with Gaeilge and/or OI. GRMA. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 18:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Banshee]] and the talk page