Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Shipwrecks

message: I don't normally write shipwreck articles, but I was thinking about starting one for the St. Kitts & Nevis Christena disaster, which happened in 1970. Over 200 people died when the ferry sank. Anyone willing to help me with starting the article? I do have a couple of references we could use. Invertzoo (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  MV ''Christena'', a ferryboat disaster 

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message: I would like some assistance in checking this statement, because the source I have is not particularly reliable:
The Iquique Another possibility is that the boat Burley found was from the H. Fölsch Co, Hamburg's, 899 ton barque Iquique. She the went missing in 1883 after being spoken to at Cape Horn. The Iquique had originally been called the Marlborough. The Iquique had sailed from Newcastle On Tyne in February 1883 under Captain G Eduard Jessen with a load of coal for Iquique, Chile.
In particular I need a source for the renaming from Marlborough to Iquique, when and where it was last spoken to and the name of the ship, plus anything else which might add to the story. The other information I am seeking is when was the life saving station set up in or about Good Success Bay. NealeFamily (talk) 21:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You might want to check out WP:SHIPS/R for a link to Australian newspapers that are online. Might be something there. Do you have access to The Times online archive? Mjroots (talk) 12:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - I have access to both but have not found anything of use in them yet. Another editor has confirmed the name change through a LLoyd's reference. This still leaves me with the Iquique's demise and the Argentinian Good Success Bay life saving station to locate references for. NealeFamily (talk) 08:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

text: All references now found. NealeFamily (talk) 09:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Marlborough (ship)]] 

message: Neglect over some time to properly cite SS Californian has led to intention announced on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships to "slash and burn".  My general reading suggests to me that most the content is citable to the main works on Titanic as well as those dealing with the particular controversy over Californian's role, and I am sure that there are members of this project that have the right material. Davidships (talk) 11:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  SS ''Californian'' 

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message: On May 7th of this year we will observe the 100th anniversary of one of the most consequential events in maritime history. May I suggest a full court press to get this article up to FA status in time for the anniversary? -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:38, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Wanted: [[RMS Lusitania]] 100th Anniversary 

message: The established practice is to use linked flags for all entries, regardless of whether or not that country has previously been linked in that section of the list. I have had recent discussion with , to which  contributed, about this practice (User talk:Colonies Chris/Archive/2014/Dec#Flags in lists of shipwrecks). An offer of a WP:RFC was declined. As we are now discussing the lists in general, it seems a good opportunity to thrash this one out too.
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* WP:FLAGCRUFT is a constant problem in soccer (association football) articles - they do not as a project (WP:Football) seem to have constrained the issue - the suggestion to limit is an excellent idea. satusuro 09:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags

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* Again, another good suggestion - there are regular former country/current country issues that are far from discusssion let alone resolution of issues, this is a good idea satusuro 09:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Countries

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* good suggestion satusuro 09:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Country divisions

message: All place names are linked once per section, with the aim of including the first-level county division following, subject to the exception mentioned above. This is to ensure that the reader is clear as to the location of the wreck. Historic spellings are maintained wherever possible, using piped links if necessary (Batavia, Memel). Pipe links are also used to comply with WP:COMMONNAME (Halifax, New York) unless doing so causes ambiguity, in which case the unpiped link is used.
* good suggestion satusuro 09:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Places

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message: I'd lime to propose a navbox for shipwrecks and incidents. It would work in a similar way to the navboxes for rail accidents and air crashes, such as  .
The intention is that the navbox would contain two sections, for losses and one for other incidents. It would only have blue links and would be on a per year basis except for 1914-19 and 1939-45, which would be on a per month basis. The intention is that the templates would be named in the "(year) ship incidents" or "(month, year) ship incidents" series. Mjroots (talk) 22:55, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Navbox suggestion

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thread_title:  Wreck diving 

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message: As can be seen at Trinity House, it is not a Governmental agency, and its vessels fly the Red Ensign (defaced).  Probably throughout the List of Shipwrecks pages their tenders and lightships are tagged with Blue Ensigns.  As I had it open anyway I have changed the flags on List of shipwrecks in July 1918 but combing the rest of the pages would be a major task. Davidships (talk) 09:49, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of the articles on Trinity House vessels use the Trinity House Ensign (). Question is, when was it introduced? Mjroots (talk) 19:21, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 18th century.  Just a small change in proportions from 3:2 to 2:1 in 1953. . Just a more general point: is it necessary to have flaglets in these shipwreck articles for lightships which are generally only mentioned in relation to location, like a headland or port, rather than because they had any involvement as vessels with the incident itself.  Davidships (talk) 02:40, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is. All other vessels have a flag displayed. No reason not to have a flag for a lightship. Mjroots (talk) 07:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As you wish. Don't forget that "Haisborough Lightship" is not the specific name of a ship, it is the name of the lightship station, with a fixed position like a lighthouse or a buoy.  The actual lightship deployed will vary over time, each one having an individual identity (usually in the form LV 66 or THLV 66). I wonder whether the station  should be in italics? All the other vessels are mentioned because they involved in some way in the incident instanced, but not so these lightships, in almost all cases. Davidships (talk) 03:07, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm aware that the Haisborough Lightship could refer to a number of different vessels through the years. It's a similar situation with lifeboats, such as the Cromer Lifeboat. If a specific vessel has an article, it can be linked and piped to, otherwise a link to the generic station should be provided. Mjroots (talk) 08:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Cromer Lifeboat is a good parallel and it seems that, when referring to the boat rather than the station, it is not italicised in articles if used generically (only the individually named lifeboats are). Davidships (talk) 10:50, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

text: BTW, the TH flag above dates from 1937, a different design was used prior to that date. Mjroots (talk) 08:24, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've asked at COM:GL/I for the addition of the old TH flag. Mjroots (talk) 09:01, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We now have :File:Trinity House Ensign (pre-1937).svg available. Mjroots (talk) 08:35, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trinity House vessels 

message: Are all ships sunk by enemy action tagged as shipwrecks? Should the German battleship Bismarck, sunk by the British in World War II? USS Gallup (SP-694) broke in half in Delaware Bay during a storm during World War I be tagged as a shipwreck?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they are. Any sunken vessel is by definition a shipwreck. Text should make it clear as to how the wreck occurred. In the case of Bismark, it was by enemy action. In the case of accidents during wartime, it should be apparent that the loss was accidental. Mjroots (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shipwrecks? 

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thread_title:  Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject 

message: Came across this story while looking for something else. Horrible sufferings at sea. 107 days on a wreck Might be worth an article but unsure if it is notable enough. Thoughts? NealeFamily (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brig ''Shelehof'' 1871 

message: In January 2018, a ferry in Kiribati capsized and sunk, and 81 people are apparently still missing. I can't seem to find anything about this on Wikipedia, except for an entry at List of shipwrecks in 2018 which I added. Can someone create this article please? The disaster definitely warrants its own article, and not having it shows the Western-centrism of Wikipedia.
I already posted this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disaster management, but I got no replies.
--Xwejnusgozo (talk) 15:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not very helpful - but if you see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shipwrecks_in_2018 - there are more shipwrecks than editors able to fill or start the articles - this is no excuse - but the way things are.  The project has a very low participation rate - you may be lucky, and if someone is able to identify or source some information about the ferry loss - you might be lucky JarrahTree 16:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  - as I understand it, the ferry was only about , which put is outside the remit of WP:SHIPS and the vessel itself is probably not notable enough to sustain an article. This does not mean that an article on the sinking/disaster cannot be created. There was plenty of coverage at the time so GNG will be met. We are all volunteers here, nobody can be forced to write an article. As the old saying goes, if you want something done properly, do it youself. Mjroots (talk) 06:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I would write the article, however at the moment I don't have time to do so. Besides, this is not my main area of interest and I never wrote an article relating to a shipwreck or a disaster, with the exception of a few Malta-related wrecks/disasters. I mentioned it here so that maybe someone with more experience of writing articles in this area would do so. I was initially annoyed when I wrote the post because the lack of such an article does illustrate the bias on Wikipedia - we have an article about a bus accident in Hong Kong which killed 19 people, but not an article about a shipwreck in Kiribati that occurred a few days earlier that left around 80 people missing. I mean, this should have made the In the news section on the Main Page had it been written in time! --Xwejnusgozo (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested article: Kiribati shipwreck 

message: I opened a proposal to trim the passenger lists at Passengers of the RMS Titanic a few weeks ago. We've only received a few responses. so I'm reaching out to related Wikiprojects for more input. Editors are invited to join the discussion here. Thanks –dlthewave ☎ 20:59, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion at [[Passengers of the RMS Titanic]] 

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message: Wouldn't it be great considering the multiple articles related to the sinking? --LLcentury (talk) 18:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creating a task force for RMS Titanic

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message: I have just opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships concerning the above lists which interested project members may wish to comment on Lyndaship (talk) 18:08, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of Shipwrecks 

message: :Related discussion: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template#Is there a list of pages that use non-module version which are approaching WP:PEIS limit (permalink)
 earlier today you sent List of shipwrecks in 1815 over the WP:PEIS limit, causing the template at the bottom of the article to not show properly.
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replies: text: On a related note, I updated Template:Shipwreck list begin/doc to encourage the use of  instead of  in shipwreck lists that appear on long pages, or which appear in templates that are likely to be used on long pages (diff).  Courtesy ping to  as he created that documentation.  davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:19, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-expand include size limits and pages with lots of flag icons 

message: List of US Navy ship accidents can be found here. Should be useful for expanding lists of shipwrecks. Mjroots (talk) 14:08, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: US Navy ship accidents 1945-88

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message: When we think of shipwrecks, we think of examples like the Titanic - larger vessels made of timber or metal - that have sunk, perhaps with major loss of life, &/or injuries - but what is the WP threshold for inclusion in our List(s) of Shipwrecks? 
A non-seagoing vessel (weak dinghy?) that nonetheless purposely sets course way out beyond the coast - does that qualify? Does the dinghy have to sink? Does there have to be one or more fatalities, or will one or more injuries suffice? 
My reason for asking is that various obviously dangerous attempts at crossing say country borders are also being included, when the clearly high risk goes wrong.  I am not belittling any loss of life or injury thus caused. 
Is it worth our project defining the threshold?  Trafford09 (talk) 09:36, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Threshold for a shipwreck 

message: Some time-sensitive help is needed for Endurance (1912 ship) to get it ready for ITN given the discovery of the wreck. Best,  talk 02:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time-sensitive help needed fixing up [[Endurance (1912 ship)]] 

message: I've opened a thread over at at WikiProject Ships about a draft I created some time back and have now recovered. I posted it on there since that WikiProject is more active but I thought I might post it here too since it is related to the WikiProject's subject. RanDom 404 (talk) 14:59, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft on Titanic's construction 

message: Anything on the recent mideast migrant sinking? 41.58.242.97 (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sep 2022  

message: I see a list of those who received medals - some drowned.
Is there a list of all those who died? 
thank you, WikiNowNotLater (talk) 20:49, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  ELLEN SOUTHARD 

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thread_title: WWII shipwrecks

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message: I'm thinking about a list of Welsh Protected Wrecks, which would supplement the lists of Listed Buildings, Listed Gardens and Scheduled Monuments that we currently have. I'm struck by the fact that the details we do have, here, Category:Protected Wrecks of Wales don't appear to match the details Cadw published here, . Does anyone have any idea where, other than Cadw, a definitive list can be found? Alternatively, does anyone know where the additional wrecks in our Category, SS Beemsterdijk, SS Castilian (1919), and HMS H5 have come from? Any help appreciated. I've also posted on the Wales project and on the Category Talkpage. KJP1 (talk) 09:20, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected wrecks in Wales 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Maria (1823 ship)#Requested move 14 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Kiwiz1338 (talk) 13:24, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move at [[Talk:Maria (1823 ship)#Requested move 14 January 2024]] 

message: There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Mozambique boat disaster#Requested move 13 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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