Talk:The Crying Game

message: What part of this movie or story is Japanese? There are no Japanese names associated with the movie, nor does Japan come up anywhere in this article. Am I missing something?Patwinkle (talk) 10:18, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: British-Japanese?

message: I just want to throw this out there- A huge FUCK YOU goes out to whoever it was that thought it was a GOOD idea to give away the huge plot twist with NO SPOILER TAGS in the SECOND PARAGRAPH OF THE PAGE. Whoever made that call, please die in a chemical fire. Thank you!
And just to address the people who so desperately want to leave it in there: You can't say "oh people are coming to this article for this reason or that". you DONT KNOW why people are coming to this article, or what level of enjoyment of this film they expect for you to RUIN for them. HAs it ever occurred to you that Wikipedia is full of in-links, and someone (say, me) could arrive at this page without ever having heard of the film? I don't read through The Usual Suspects article and say "Hmm, it was rated as one of the best reveals, even topping The Crying Game. Gee what's that?" Oh that's what it is- Two hours I won't get to spend watching a classic film because you douchebags apparantly are psychic, and know the intentions and expectations of every person visiting this article
Thank you for helping to ruin Wikipedia.66.157.239.10 06:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would add that TG has become accepted as generally the most inclusive term, so by this reason it errs on the side of caution to use it. Revolver 11:40, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: After reading the transgender article, maybe "transwoman" is better...it clearly identifies the gender identity and stays clear of the TS/TG terminology debate (it seems at least one group of people will find inaccuracy whether TS or TG is used). Revolver 11:52, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Being male to female TS myself, I associated myself immediately with Dil. She is one of the most accurate representations of a pre-operative transsexual in any movies, and I would recognize myself immediately in her - I was just like her when I was pre-op. The point is not her physique or dressing code; the point is that she acts, speaks, walks and behaves like a woman. She speaks of her mood changes and her medication; I interprete it is about hormone replacement therapy. I do remember my own wild mood swings and the horrible spells of agony while I was poisoned by my own hormonal production. I changed the text in the article as "transgendered"; she certainly was NOT a transvestite as the article suggested.62.237.141.27 21:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, I discussed this movie with a M2F TS friend of mine who was of the complete opposite opinion, i.e. that Dil was a male gay drag queen. Certainly her manner of speech and behaviour is more typical of gay people than women (I have several trans friends, none of whom use to go on stage in feathers and a boa). The fact that the actor is a gay man himself may certainly have something to do with this, but in the end it's the actor's interpretation we're discussing here, not the intention of the scriptwriter.Geira (talk) 16:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Spoiler

message: Shouldn't the novel be in a disambiguation position if it is, in fact, wholly unrelated to the film? Right now the link of the novel on the John Braine page links to this page, which, if I understand what's going on here correctly, should not be the case. But I don't know enough about either the book or the novel to be certain. Can someone who knows this stuff either fix it or make it clear? CoramVobis 03:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novel 

message: I agree with the change of pronouns to 'she', in accordance with Wikipedia's guideline regarding self-identification. -FisherQueen (Talk) 18:14, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I actually found the sudden use of male pronouns extremely offensive. 95.150.9.128 (talk) 01:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronouns

message: Is it just me, or does this article currently leave out a kind of important part of the film? Like, you know, the twist ending? 70.171.57.254 15:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the twist is described in the plot summary. -FisherQueen (Talk) 15:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ummm...

message: Hmmm, I get the idea, "the big reveal is a dick".  But the phrasing makes it sound like surrealism or radical plastic surgery, or even science fiction, when it's quite apparent that Dil, irrespective of whatever gender self-identification she may have, is biologically male.  In fact, perhaps "biologically male" would be the right term. --Tony Sidaway 03:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My problem with "biologically male" is that it's not as clear as it could be. The "shock" of the movie is that Dil is a transwoman and the "shocking scene" is when she strips naked and you can tell that she has a penis. "Biologically male" seems like unnecessary censoring to me. Kolindigo 03:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, I think on balance this wording is best.  The revelation on the screen is intentionally startling.  --Tony Sidaway 03:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "has a penis"

message: I decided to look at a diff between the last unprotection and the current protection.
It's here.
A bit depressing, really.
The puzzling phrase "and the event passed without incident" remains.  Perhaps it's just me, but doesn't that presuppose that Jaye Davidson turning up in any other gear might have caused a problem?  The supposed "speculation about what Davidson would wear to the Oscars, as his appearing as a man would possibly spoil the film's surprise" seems to be completely unsupported.
And we have:
: A parody of the The Crying Game was used as a twist in Jim Carrey's breakthrough film, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.
Oh dear.
On the plus side of the equation, we now know what Jaye Davidson wore to the Oscars. Nice. --Tony Sidaway 04:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Negative progress?

message: Instead of continuously edit warring, why don't both sides of the spoiler issue come to a compromise. I think the info about the twist should be in the lead. The more I think about it, the more I think the tag is unneccessary because of the film's age and the fact that it has been countlessly spoofed. 
But I could go either way on it. To stop the article from being protected again because of edit warring, why not just keep the info in the lead and place a spoiler tag before the second paragraph? --YellowTapedR 19:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit warring

message: Because it is quite clear (see the talk page history) that Tprayx has logged-out to continue reverting the page (and to avoid WP:3RR, which he/she has now broken), I have semi-protected the page from editing. Tprayx, I could have blocked you for violating the three revert rule, but opted to protect instead. Do not break the 3RR in the future, using either your account or your IP or a combination, or you will be blocked. If the reverting continues on this page, I will be blocking anyone who breaks the 3RR (including Tprayx's backdated reverts if this user starts up again in the next twenty-four hours). Daniel 01:52, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Forgive me, I am new to Wikipedia and did not know the protocol.  But I was reprimanded, then blocked, and now I feel like a criminal with a record.  But all's fair in love and penises i guess.   Tprayx 16:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Protection

message: Transwoman is what Dil was in the movie and best fits the role, rather than to use "male-to-femle transexual", while linking to the article Transwoman is over-kill. More people will click on the link and read more and learn more, as is encouraged for wikipedia. Please don't change it. Thanks. Jeeny 00:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find the use of the word transsexual dishonest.  Every true transsexual has surgery as the goal and would hate their penis too much to have sex with a man while having a penis.  This sounds more like a transgendered gay man pretending that he is a woman, and calling him a transsexual woman defames true-transsexual women who are a part of the mainstream community.  What this guy in constant drag seems to have is the lifestyle/recreation of transgenderism, not the correctable medical condition or transsexualism nor any other therapeutic reason.  True-transsexuals have nothing in common with this man living as a woman but treasuring his penis enough to keep it and let guys mess with it, nor the cross-dressed men in porno mags who get breast implants and take Viagra.72.11.40.181 (talk) 21:52, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Transwoman or male-to-female transexual

message: Is the film an Irish film? I ask because it credits the country of origin is given as Uk/Japan, (which confuses me also). The film is by an Irish filmmaker, and one of the themes is about the troubles in Ireland. --Dumbo1 23:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish film?

message: The Crying Game That Cries Out For Help.--2600:1702:4B28:F760:808B:CA42:FF39:E267 (talk) 00:03, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh Yeah But That's So Cool.