Talk:The Safety Dance

message: Where I grew up, in the northeastern US, the only version played on the radio was the 12" version, (called the "Extended 'Club Mix'") so-much-so I didn't know there was a shorter (and very different) version until it debuted on American Top 40 weeks after it had already gotten heavy airplay. I am looking for references, if anyone knows of any, that discusses or documents how and why radio played the extended remix, as I feel there's a significant bit of radio history here, since this may have been one of the first times a remix became the hit version over the original (a much more common occurrence in the decades since).
--BananaManager (talk) 03:28, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: The 12" "Extended 'Club Mix'" vs the Single/Album/Video edit

message: Ivan Doroschuk specifically stated on VH1 that the moshing was part of the reason for the Safety Dance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi1EY24jNK4
Just posting it here for discussion rather than changing it outright.
Yeah I think the part referring to dancing not being part of the inspiration being erroneous needs to be removed.  The song may be part going on your own, but Ivan definitely says its about dancing.--65.29.105.253 05:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for the Dance 

message: All that trivia and no mention of who wrote the song. I know it was "Doroschuk", but which one? --kingboyk 11:22, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  In the time it took you to type that, you could have just gone to Google and learned that Ivan Doroschuk wrote the song :)  wikipediatrix 12:45, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And still you didn't bother updating the article. Nothing like being helpful, is there? Sigh. --kingboyk 18:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sigh 

message: I found on this website that the song peaked at #22 on the Canadian singles chart, however, I don't know how reliable this source is. I tried looking for the song at http://www.cria.ca but I didn't know how to search for it there. NorthernThunder 12:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian chart 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Men without hats-the safety dance s.jpeg

message: Seriously, no one has identified the dancing girl who says "Français?"  Either spoken or visual? --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 18:42, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And spelt dansez, believe it or not. —Tamfang (talk) 06:37, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Français girl

message: I would just like to question the list of interpretations, and that it's missing the most blatent of all of them. If you listen to the words, it seems a fairly safe bet that they could in fact be talking about taking drugs, and in particular ecstasy. I'm sure I don't need to point out the references - but it's late, I'm bored and have nothing better to do so I will, apologies.... - to doing something only with people who will join you, and "leaving behind" those who don't. To sum it up, the extract of lyrics: "I say, we can go where we want to, A place where they will never find. And we can act like we come from out of this world. Leave the real one far behind".
Unless this is just a very, very unfortunate coincidence, surely this has to be mentioned???!
Movingpictures100@hotmail.com (talk) 23:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another interpretation??! 

message: No secret meaning at all... The author himself is interviewed in this VH1 clip in the exact subject ( his interview is the last 45 seconds or so ):
http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/music_alternative/watch/v16725574hRwbx5sZ
Sorry I've got no Wiki skills...  99.14.108.93 (talk) 04:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry man.. it's just about dancing if you want to.. 

message: I enjoy finding exact locations in satellite photos so here is the bridge the dancers cross as they enter the town:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=west+kington&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=86.595945,109.335938&ie=UTF8&t=k&om=1&ll=51.493518,-2.280275&spn=0.001261,0.003422&z=19
The cluster of buildings behind the bridge in the video is below the bridge in the center of the photo. Above the bridge (in the photo) is a house with a stone wall around its yard; the long-distance shot of the bridge and buildings was taken just above and right of the sharp corner in the wall, which is visible in the foreground of the shot.
Pbyhistorian (talk) 06:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: Kate Lonergan could be the woman in the video, she looks like the woman from the video and is the right age. However it would be either a huge coincidence as she was later Marion in Maid Marion and her Merry Men alongside Mike Edmonds, unless their connection is closer. Theladfromtheeast (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kate Lonergan 

message: I just watched the official video for the song (currently here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcOZ6xFxJqg&feature=related ) and was immediately struck by how much the subject matter, coloring, and Renaissance costumes seemed to intentionally reference the paintings Pieter Breugel the Younger, for instance, 
'The Wedding Dance':
http://i.pbase.com/v3/93/329493/1/47977448.parisaug051826.JPG
and 
'Dance Around the May Pole':
http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/154040/1/The-Dance-Around-The-May-Pole.jpg
If anyone has any info on the making of the video and whether the artistic reference was intentional, it might add depth to the wiki entry.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.2.241.143 (talk) 00:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Those paintings just look like any country dance or May Day celebration in any of a thousand English villages this year. I think a lot of colonists have somehow got it into their head that maypole dancing, mummers, morris dancing and punch and judy somehow only exist in history; this is wrong, they are practised to this day in thousands of English villages. Maypole dances are found throughout Northern Europe; Punch and Judy extends through France and Italy. Most of the activities shown in the video are part of the MODERN British folk revival which began in the 1890s. This is not a renaissance fair or medieval puppet show, this is a modern day folk revival, this are modern day celebrations. The info about the video which clarified this seems to have been removed, I will go through the page diffs and add it back in. Andrew Oakley (talk) 13:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aaarrrgggh. After all that bitching I discover some quotes with the video's director in which he acknowledges the Breugel references:  . My point is: Breugel, and this video, just depict any old May Day celebration in any old English village; it is not historic, it happens every year. It was present-day in the 1980s and a similar celebration happens in thousands of English villages present-day now. Andrew Oakley (talk) 13:39, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  video reference to works of Bruegel? 

message: I wouldn't mind the section about the cover versions if the material was sourced but since there are no external references I tend to agree more with removing them. I guess I'll spend 10 minutes googling for some references. --Devourer09 16:23, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover versions 

message: I've always thought this song was called "Safety Dance" rather than "The Safety Dance". If you go to Men Without Hats' official website, they list it as "Safety Dance" in the history section.
Is it a case of "The Safety Dance" being a name which most people call it (similar to the Tina Turner song "The Best" which many people refer to as "Simply the Best")when it's not actually the name of the song? Or is it actually called "The Safety Dance"?
90.220.45.249 (talk) 23:11, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It varies everywhere you look, but on average 'The Safety Dance' is used more often, and that does seem to be the title on the album. —Half Price 16:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The" Safety Dance 

message: This article cites GMC/Virgin as the label who released it. However, in one of my inlay cards, it states "℗ 1983 Demon Music Group Ltd." Who is right?--85.210.31.179 (talk) 13:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm that's a good question. Firstly, what country are you in, as different labels are sometimes used depending on country? The big issue is that record labels change names; some labels acquire others, and sometimes a record changes between two labels! —Half Price 13:50, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record label 

message: Article has been tagged for needing sourcing since 2010. Please feel free to re-add this material to the article with appropriate references. Doniago (talk) 13:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced Material

message: The current wording midleads readers, stating "he explained that it is not an anti-nuclear protest despite the nuclear imagery at the end of the video. Doroschuk says that he considers Men Without Hats "a punk band with one hit song" and that as such they were "anti-everything"" This gives the (false) impression that the band was either pro-nuclear, or else, at the very least, that they had no views on the matter, which is also not the case. The fuller quote from the same video interview, is as follows:
"we were pretty much anti-everything; it wasn't a question of just being anti-nuclear, it was a question of being anti-establishment"
The word "just" makes it clear, very explicitly that there is no ambiguity: the sentiment was most certainly anti-nuclear, as he makes clear it was not "just" that, but being anti-establishment. In sum,
1. Ironic that a quote which explicitly states they were anti-nucear (just not only anti-nuclear) is misleadingly summarized to readers as "the song is not about anti-nuclear". Far more honest and accurate to state the song's sentiment [as he explains in the interview] is about resistance which includes, but goes beyond anti-nuclear views"
2. The second sanitization is the avoidance of the explicitly stated "anti-establishment" (which also clarifies point #1 at fuller quote)
This misleading or sanitizing aspect might not have been (and per WP policy we shall assume by default it was not) deliberate, however it is the de facto effect of the misleading summary. Harel (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sanitizing of political views 

message: Futurama, Season 4, Episode 6: Fry remembers the 80's stating, "You know, that dance wasn't as safe as THEY said it was."
There is no reason to remove this entry - it is verifiable and TRUE.  This is one of the reasons I don't contribute to Wikipedia because some troll sits on EVERY page.  Wikipedia is a place for EVERYONE to contribute not just you and your ego.  And NO I did not watch this page.  I haven't made an entry to Wikipedia in three years because it is a waste of my time seeing minor contributions rescinded by someone who thinks this page is owned. Wikipedia just felt it HAD to tell me that the entry was deleted by you - get a life!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberfreeworld (talk • contribs) 04:29, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  TROLL 

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message: Thanks to the ongoing retail apocalypse phenomenon and websites such as Commercials I Hate and Am I Right, we should be eliminating songs used in commercials.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by CodyFinke2020 (talk • contribs) 10:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Your explanation does not make sense. How do the so-called "retail apocalypse" and the existence of these websites impact what Wikipedia includes? - SummerPhDv2.0 22:30, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Eliminating songs from commercials

message: Ninja Sex Party, an American musical comedy duo, covered the song on their 2019 album Under The Covers Vol III
Since there is a Popular Culture heading in the article, it should probably be added. After all, the album itself has a Wikipedia page ( Under the Covers, Vol. III ) and all the songs are listed there and linked to all of the song pages, including this one.
Under the Covers, Vol. III Charts for reference:
Chart (2019)                    	Peakposition
Australian Digital Albums (ARIA)	12
Dominakiara (talk) 05:08, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The cover version is not notable, per WP:COVERSONG. - SummerPhDv2.0 06:09, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ninja Sex Party's Version 

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message: To start off, I am a novice editor. Recently, I have received a lesson from an experienced editor, Donlago, on Wikipedia regarding the "in pop culture" section. One of the takeaways from the lesson was that a pop culture reference should have a source, namely a retrospective one (secondary source), and the source should adequately cover the topic. With that said, I am still learning, and would like to know how the Super Bowl passage is "notable". Misterspaceman (talk) 01:29, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, I agree that it should be sourced...given that we're talking about the Super Bowl, it doesn't seem as though a source should be especially hard to come by, either. DonIago (talk) 18:13, 13 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Bowl