Talk:Attack at Fromelles

message: I split "Books" from "References" because it's rather unclear what it actually contains. Are we talking a general bibliography that supports the article or is it just a list of furthering reading? Please clarify this.
Peter Isotalo 11:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is it so that Fromelles is an important part of Australia's history? Or is it merely another failed mission for the soldiers of Australia- who were led by the greedy British; who at the time were using Australia to their own benefit  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.240.243 (talk) 00:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fromelles- significant or not? 

message: Changed citations to sfn in the main text (not the contemporary dig) to shift the references to the bottom of the page, preparatory to adding material from the OH and AOH. Oh and Australia was not an independent state allied to Britain in 1916. The AIF was an integral part of the British army.Keith-264 (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Did some tidying of references and external links, considering that I'd made some things worse....Keith-264 (talk) 08:33, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, Keith, just to clarify, were you meaning to remove some of the publication details and citation templates from the Further reading section? IMO the new format seems to include a lot less detail, and it may in fact have been more useful for readers the other way. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:08, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:LINKFARM there's no need to them at all, I don't see where this improves an article. Moagim (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

text: I thought that I left enough material but I can revert if you prefer, there were red harvid signs all over them so I thought they were redundant.Keith-264 (talk) 10:46, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: The text of the battle has been revised and expanded and I'd be grateful if someone would have a look for typos etc. Keith-264 (talk) 17:54, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I had a go at the contemporary section but I'm not sure about the citations and there are two paragraphs without them.Keith-264 (talk) 08:49, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a literary source for the exhumations and new cemetery, removed redundant citations and references.Keith-264 (talk) 10:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a map and rearranged the photographs (after a lot of mistakes). Feel free to alter.Keith-264 (talk) 13:26, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion and revision 

message: Made some minor alterations to FleurbaixMan's edits for consistency.Keith-264 (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reent edits 

message: I note the hook on the main page "The worst 24 hours in Australia's entire history"
:5,533 losses were incurred by the 5th Australian Division  
How does this compare with the Fall of Singapore and loss of 8th Division (Australia)?  
:Almost 15,000 Australians became prisoners of war at Singapore  
Hamish59 (talk) 07:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps those didn't take 24 hours?Keith-264 (talk) 08:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: They became POWs on 15 February 1942 when Singapore surrendered, so yes, within 24 hours.  Hamish59 (talk) 08:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In a campaign with several battles before the surrender; any British or German troops who surrendered at Fromelles did so in one day. I can't say I care much for the passage myself but someone did, enough to write it anyway which is why I left it in, same as VC awards on other pages.Keith-264 (talk) 09:21, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst 24 hours 

message: 31 Bn also had significant casualties in this battle which should be noted.
In the history of the 31 Bn, "Crossed Boomerangs" by Bob Burla (ISBN: 1-876439-67-X) on page 66 I quote - "For 8 Brigade it had certainly been a baptism of fire. In one night's sharp fighting and the hours that preceded it, the 1262 casualties in the attacking battalions comprised-
31 Bn   Officers  16   Men   528...................................................
32 Bn   Officers  17   Men   701 "
The Crossed Boomerangs book mentioned could also be listed as a reference
I also mention that the Bugle played in the 2010 ceremony attended by Australia's Governor General and Britain's Prince of Wales was the original bugle of the 31st Bn in France and now resides in the Battalion's Museum in Townsville.
I am a member of the 31st Infantry Battalion Association Inc (Brisbane Branch).
Regards
Mickeljohn14 (talk) 03:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings Mickeljohn14, 
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is this the one? Can you list the page numbers for the information you added above please? RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 09:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

text: No need I found a reference in Bean III and put the Burla book in Further reading. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 09:20, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  31 Bn 8th Brigade also had significant casualties 

message: Tidied quotes and citations but can't add details for The Australian due to a paywall, help appreciated. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 11:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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message: Anyone mind if I move this to Attack at Fromelles as per James A record of the Battles and Engagements.... (1990 [1924]) p. 11? Keith-264 (talk) 09:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fine to me, Keith. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:41, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Does battle not exaggerate somewhat? Just curious. Keith-264 (talk) 11:59, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: G'day, Keith, to clarify, I was saying that your suggestion to change seems fine to me. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Apols I misinterpreted, I don't want to tread on Oz sensibilities, hence my caution. I'll leave things be for a few days to make sure all the page watchers have seen the suggestion. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 07:56, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries. No doubt, it was the imperfect way I phrased my response. ;-) Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 08:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Moved as discussed. Keith-264 (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

text: James added the units participating in events named officially by the The official names of the battles and other engagements fought by the military forces of the British Empire during the Great War, 1914-1919, and the Third Afghan War, 1919 : Report of the Battles Nomenclature Committee as approved by the Army Council (1919-1921). Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:17, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  "The Attack at Fromelles (French pronunciation: ​[fʁɔmɛl], Battle of Fromelles, Battle of Fleurbaix or Schlacht von Fromelles) 19–20 July 1916" seems quite comprehensive to me. I want it left like that. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 17:33, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Your translation of the French and German titles takes no account of usage making it OR. Parochial concerns are catered for by Wiki WPs but this seems to be a personal matter for you, particularly the use of "battle". I will check my sources to see what the RS have to say. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 07:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title question