Talk:Jolie Gabor

message: There is some disagreement among us with what birth year should be used in the article and what is considered a reliable source. Details are below under Year of Birth. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliability of available sources: Cindy Adams is a gossip columnist and, as such, not a Reliable Source. The Palm Springs Cemetery District, like most cemeteries in the world, is not obligated to look up or verify the deceased's birthdate, which is provided by undertaker or family - so, there is no inherent reliability. The ideal source would be the Hungarian Certificate of Birth or a news item originating from Hungary. Paging (again) Hungarian Wikipedians, szükségünk van a segítségedre!...-The Gnome (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC: What year of birth should be used in the article?

message: Although she was over 100, what was her official cause of death?  Simply old age?  And how is it that she was unaware of her daughter's death two years earlier?  Was she senile, or was this information intentionally kept from her? 98.221.121.72 (talk) 01:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cause of Death?

message: There appears to be an error on this page because it says she died two years after the death of her "eldest daughter" and give the link, but that daughter died the same year, according to her own page info. Perhaps the reference is supposed to be a reference to her youngest daughter Eva. I am no Gabor family specialist, so could someone who is please figure out which date or reference is in error and correct it?
Carinamc (talk) 02:50, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates and daughters 

message: How could she have been unaware of her daughter's death if she attended the funeral?
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-31749_162-10004252-6.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.210.47.219 (talk) 16:06, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  She didn't attend, that was a mistake -- the person holding Zsa Zsa's hand is Magda Gabor not Jolie. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 17:47, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She lived a fairly isolated life, in a house perched on a cliff in a neighborhood so exclusive that most people living over 4 blocks from it don't even know it exists. The blue Rolls parked in front of the house for 30 years had no engine or transmission.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.215.115.31 (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unaware of daughters death? 

message: I rewrote the paragraph under Death, and I'm still not convinced it's done well. The problem is that it read like a book of trivia. For example, as it was written before, it listed Eva's date of death which shouldn't be included in a paragraph that is about Jolie's death. If the user is curious about that, they can visit Eva's wiki page. Also I don't like the mention of her sole grandchild. That should be part of the article when discussing her family. I don't know, I think the whole paragraph needs to go entirely and be rewritten. Her death should only include information about her death, when, where, why etc. I have to agree too with the person who posted Cause of Death. That part where it says she was unaware of her daughter's death leaves no explanation. It should be stricken entirely in my opinion, but instead I tagged it asking for a citation. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 19:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Death paragraph is confusing

message: Jolie Gabor gave her father's surname as Kende and her daughters Magda and Eva Gabor gave their mother's maiden name as Kende, as per California Deaths, 1940-1997. Family Tree Legends Records Collection (Online Database). Pearl Street Software, 2004-05.
:: This just goes to show that "autobiographer" Cindy Adams is completely unreliable. I realized that long ago just by reading her columns in the New York Post. Quis separabit? 01:28, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm giving Tilleman as Gabor's maiden name; please see the notations for this.Kitchawan (talk) 06:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Jolie Gabor, by Jolie Gabor as told to Cindy Adams (Mason Charter, 1975), clearly states that Jolie's maiden name was Tilleman. She says that her father was Josef Tilleman and that her mother was Franceska "Francie" Reinherz. Like the book and its co-author or not, that's what the authorized memoir says, and surely Jolie Gabor would have known her own maiden name.Kitchawan (talk) 06:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Jolie Gabor, by Jolie Gabor as told to Cindy Adams (Mason Charter, 1975), also clearly states that KENDE was the surname of Franceska Reinherz Tilleman's second husband, whom she married after Josef Tilleman's death and whom she abandoned before the honeymoon, fleeing back to Budapest and never seeing him again.Kitchawan (talk) 07:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would feel on safer ground if we would leave her birth name as 'Jansci per her own memoirs. Surely should have known her own name. In the same memoir she states that Jansci is Hungarian for Johnny or Little John, since her father wanted a boy. The use of the name Johanna on her eventual Portuguese passport might well be camouflage, subterfuge or anything else. Until that is determined, I think multiple uses of Jansci, per the subject of this article, outweighs one use of Johanna. And again, while I realize that some contributors do not trust Cindy Adams as a source, it must be assumed with some strength and commitment that the subject of an "as told to" memoir approved the use of her names, first, middle, last, married, and otherwise.Kitchawan (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed (by me anyway); you have convinced me. Quis separabit? 21:14, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Jolie's correct maiden name!!!

message: This extract seems to indicate that Jolie's sisters survived and died in Australia, although the years of birth of Jolie's mother and grandmother are insane and virtually impossible to be accurate. Any other ideas or comments re reliability? Thanks. Quis separabit? 12:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Jolie's sisters

message: With great respect, Rms125a, I can’t see that she was exactly notable for her autobiographical writings.
As it says in the article, Jolie ‘lent her name’ to two books, one of them an as-told-to memoir, co-authored by a family friend (‘Gabor approached Adams to write the book...’), the other a Hungarian cookbook ‘written with’ two other people. So she’s hardly Madame de Sévigné.
I won’t revert at this point. But you may like to consider doing so. Valetude (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that the 'memoirist' category has been duly deleted. I thought it logical to delete the various 'writer' categories too. Valetude (talk) 23:48, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Memoirist? 

message: It' impossible for her to have a relationship with Mustada Kemal Atatürk. He died in 1938 when she was 21 years old. She didn't come to Turkey, neither did Aratürk go to the USA. However she had a relationship with the Turkish actor Muzaffer Tema. 212.253.204.216 (talk) 11:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other relationships 

message: Jolie Gabor; Vilmos Gábor; History of the Jews in Portugal#Portuguese Ambassador in Budapest, 1944; Carlos Sampaio Garrido#Gabor family
Diplomatic telegrams regarding Gabors in Budapest and Switzerland :
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thread_title: Nazi occupation, Budapest, Gabor parents: 8 July 1944