Talk:Baba

message: Please try to limit enties to this disambiguation page to articles in Wikipedia. 
For various definitions of "baba" in other languages, please put them in Wictionary which is designed for this. Wiktionary can be found here.
The idea of disambiguation pages is to send people to the proper article. It is not intended as a mirror site for Wictionary which gives meanings for words in various languages. Note that there is a link on this disambiguation page to Wiktionary so people seeking such definitions will know just where to go. 
The one exception to this Wikipedia link rule on this page is British Artist Blacksmiths Association. I'm hoping someone will write an article about it. If not, then it ought to go too. Chris 21:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Other editors (including myself) tried to make this page organized and more concise.  At the risk of being uncivil, I believe you reverted it to a sprawling mess, overwriting many rounds of useful edits.  I don't want to get into an edit war, but there are way too many useless entries on this list.  It's due in large part to your reversion that there are currently so many "dictionary" (particularly foreign language) entries.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 18:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please reformat. For help in Wikistyle for disambiguation pages see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages).  See some examples such as School (disambiguation) and Defense. Chris 17:36, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also see this page for understanding disambiguation pages: Wikipedia:Disambiguation. AguireTS 21:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Limiting entries

message: r.e. "For various definitions of "baba" in other languages, please put them in Wictionary which is designed for this. Wiktionary can be found here."
Since when does wikipedia not allow for the description of these terms, especially when the first line of the article is:
"Baba is a word of Indo-European origin and means father in several languages."
At the very least it should be added that "Baba, a term that means grandmother" much in the same way that Nana or Poppa is described under their respective semi-disambiguation pages used for this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Halogenated (talk • contribs) 03:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right; it should be consistent. I've removed both dictionary definitions per WP:NOT. Thanks for pointing it out. — Brian (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency with similar pages 

message: I have added a slightly unconventional header to the page explaining that this is a disambiguation page and pointing to the word at Wiktionary. This seems necessary since there are continual efforts to add non-English definitions for "Baba" to the page. Rather than continually repeating the same explanation I have placed it at the top. Hopefully this will help. Cott12 12:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Header linking to Wiktionary 

message: From 'What Not to Include" at Wikipedia:Disambiguation:
====Lists====
Lists of articles of which the disambiguated term forms only a part of the article title don't belong here. Disambiguation pages are not search indices. Do not add links that merely contain part of the page title (where there is no significant risk of confusion).
====Dictionary definitions====
A disambiguation page is not a list of dictionary definitions. A short description of the common general meaning of a word can be appropriate for helping the reader determine context. Otherwise, there are templates for linking the reader to Wiktionary, the wiki dictionary.
Cott12 12:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What a disambiguation page is not

message: A disambiguation page is not a list of dictionary definitions. A short description of the common general meaning of a word can be appropriate for helping the reader determine context. Otherwise, there are templates for linking the reader to Wiktionary, the wiki dictionary.
Cott12 12:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dictionary definitions

message: Why are all the non-European people named Baba listed under folklore? David Plum (talk) 16:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Beats me. I didn't even notice 'til you brought it up. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks much better. Thank you. David Plum (talk) 18:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: What's the deal here? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:31, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you actually read mos:dab#introductory line? Ofcourse you have ... then why are you editing in defiance of it? It is not necessary to repeat all variations of capitalization, punctuation or spelling: "AU may refer to" is preferable to "AU, au, Au or A-U may refer to"; and "Saiyuki may refer to" is preferable to "Saiyuki, Saiyūki, Saiyûki, or Saiyuuki may refer to". This is very clear but you seem not to want to know. Abtract (talk) 19:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've clearly given my reason here, but it seems you need to see a couple of samples. Take a look at Saiyuki and Arc. That should convince you. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That you have edited Saiyuki to your preference despite the clear guidance on MOSDAB means little. Arc and ARC, based on current discussions at MOSDAB, are allowable exceptions to the general rule for clarity. older ≠ wiser 20:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sess, I know English is not your first language and I applaud your attempts to become proficient but really you must know what "initialism" and "abbreviation" means after watching the dabate elsewhere ... and I know you understand that minor spelling/diacritic variants are discouraged by mos:dab#Introductory line because you fought aginst the current guideline so please don't pretend ignorance. Abtract (talk) 20:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You definitely need a dictionary Abtract. This was not constructive, and you know it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you seen this edit by User:Bkonrad? Abtract (talk) 20:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So what? Another person agreed with you. Only reason why I see you guys have a point is because there are three terms being disambiguated while the MoS suggests that only two should be mentioned in the introductory line. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:41, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I give up, you are absolutely beyond saving. I offered you the hand of friendship which you so stupidly rejected and now you show your complete ignorance of the English language and mos:dab in your normal uptight, confused way ... OK mate get on with it, it will all end in tears but that's your problem. Abtract (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not my fault that you're being dense. I guess Collectonian was right, those "farewells" were simply a ruse. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:52, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro line 

message: In case anyone might be wondering why this page is protected, the dispute is over User:Sesshomaru's repeated edits to include Baba (mystic) as a redirect to Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar. As I tried to explain to him on my talk page and at Talk:Baba (mystic), this is an ambiguous reference because there are many persons known as Baba that were also mystics. older ≠ wiser 03:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point, I'm pretty sure we can make Baba (mystic) an exception. The individual seems to be the only person who is directly known as just 'Baba'. The other mystics that Bkonrad has disclosed to me appear to just have 'Baba' as part of their full name, but not as a pseudonym. For instance, take a look at Sabrina (actress). Of course, there are plenty of other actresses with the same name, but only one apparently just uses the name 'Sabrina'. I'd say that's a fine precedent to support the redirect, that, and the guidelines of course. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you assume that is the only other person known as just "Baba"? Is that based on some sort of evidence? As I have tried to explain to you, apparently without fruit, is that baba is a common honorific term. Many of these people are referred to as simply Baba, and a few of the articles even explicitly indicate as much if you would have bothered to investigate. All of them could reasonably be called simply Baba and all are mystics. Baba is not actually part of the given or family name for most of these. The comparison with Sabrina is mistaken. A more apt comparison would be creating a redirect for Father (priest) and pointing it to a single person. older ≠ wiser 03:51, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have glanced at the articles you showed me, but none of them made a point of the name. Sure, it's an honorific, but this one is the guy's titular name. If there is a famous priest recognized by the name 'Father', then I see no compelling reason to avoid creating a purpose for that. BTW, if you want another similar precedent, see where the links Naruto (fictional character) and Naruto (character) take you. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:10, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Does "titular name" even mean anything? In Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar, all it says about Baba is that Sarkar was affectionately referred to as Baba by his disciples. (Without any citation I might note, although I've no doubt it is true since the term is a common honorific among Hindu holy men.) Baba isn't even any sort of formal name or title for him. The point I'm making about Father, which you seem to be missing (perhaps being deliberately obtuse) is that many priests are commonly or affectionately known simply as "Father". To create a redirect such as Father (priest) would be uselessly ambiguous. It is the same with Baba (mystic). Many of these Persian and Hindu mystics are commonly and affectionately referred to as Baba. To single out one is misleading. older ≠ wiser 04:19, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know why you keep accusing me of being stubborn or ignorant or whatnot. I keep attempting to get through to you, but it's like I'm always wasting my breath. Oh well. I have notified my mentor about this. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:49, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Abecedare, I'd rather you wait until we got an agreement going. Now you made the link Baba (mystic) at this section redundant since it redirects back here. Can you undo this change, just for now? Or at least set up a Baba (name) and have the link target there? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I see your point about circular linking. However since Baba is rarely the given name for the holymen, it may be better to start a page Baba (honorific). If that sounds ok to all, I can create one with appropriate references.   Abecedare (talk) 06:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  By all means ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 06:39, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Great! Give me a few minutes. Abecedare (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Superb ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: An excellent resolution Abecedare. And one that could have been reached without all the drama if Sessh would have bothered to try and understand rather then blindly revert to his defective versions. older ≠ wiser 12:38, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Silence Bkonrad! I'm trying to turn this thing around and forget what you did. Do not instigate this matter further. I'm not afraid of initiating another thread at WP:AIN. In other words, drop it. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:16, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are hardly one fit to issue commands of any sort. How about if you apologize first for being so hasty as to revert to your version without waiting for an explanation and then continuing to do so even after it was made very clear to you why your edits were mistaken. older ≠ wiser 18:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection and [[Baba (mystic)]] 

message: The users Bkonrad and Matthew Peter Davis are removing a true brand.
Proof?
https://www.unilever.hu/brands/our-brands/baba.html
Maybe if you can translate it.
Maybe you admin can block those users create a page about Baba (hygiene products).
(Sorry to threaten those users but that Baba, hygiene project company is ACTUALLY real.) PeterBaba1289 (talk) 12:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: References and external links should never be placed on disambiguation pages. Disambiguation pages are only meant to facilitate navigation to existing Wikipedia articles that provide coverage of the topic. older ≠ wiser 12:43, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Disambiguation pages are meant to help readers find articles that cover the topic. They aren't ment to list all the meanings of the word. Sjö (talk) 11:40, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  SPECIAL ALERT 

message: According to Wiktionary, one definition of Baba is "grandmother: many Slavic languages (such as Bulgarian, Russian, Czech and Polish), Romanian, Yiddish, Japanese." Any chance of getting it mentioned here? Mprogers (talk) 01:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baba as grandmother?