Talk:Zouave

message: The article on Zouave.  I believe that some American Legion posts have worn the uniform for parades.  In the Danny Kaye film "The Court Jester," a credit appeared for them for a scene involving drilling knights.71.106.207.23 20:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article mentions the Jackson Zouaves American Legion Drill Team in "The Court Jester."  Was that a real team that appeared in the movie, and are Zouaves the reason why American Legion drill units wear Fez hats?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.132.169.226 (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
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message: Stop deleting this addition: "In the film The 40 Year Old Virgin the main character Andy says, while painting a toy soldier of a Zouave with the help of a magnifying glass, "And now I am going to make your silver pants blue." See the relevant article on Wikiquote." It has as much relevance as any mention of Zouaves in pop culture, and is more "pop culture" than a reference to a Buster Keaton flick from the 20s. Watch the film, he really is painting a Zouave. 99.240.139.189 (talk) 19:22, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not the person who previously deleted it, but I am doing so today. I'd refer you to Talk:Mount Rushmore/Archive 1#Appearances section for thoughts on popular culture sections. Point 1: the article on 40YOV doesn't mention zouaves; the Zig-Zag article does, and the Playhouse article probably should. Point 2: I'm skeptical that this scene in the 40YOV contributed to the notability of zoaves; Zig-Zag might be the only exposure some people have to zouave imagery, and I'm not sure about Playhouse. Point 3: Although 40YOV is probably as notable as the other examples, zouaves appear to play an exceedingly minor role in it, as compared to their use in the Zig-Zag logo and in Playhouse. So, I'd argue that the brief mention in 40YOV does not have as much relevance as the other items listed. Also, the Buster Keaton film may not be current, but it is pop culture. Finally, a quick Google search turns up 482 hits for zouave buster keaton playhouse but only 211 for zouave "40 Year Old Virgin"; if they were of equal significance I'd expect to see many more hits for the more recent movie. (FYI, I haven't seen either movie myself, I'm just basing this on the comments I see online.) cmadler (talk) 19:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  (1) Ok - the 40YOV Wikiquote page does mention the Zouave bit (the main article is fairly bare bones); (2) 211 hits about 40YOV and Zouave suggests that yes, the film did contribute to the notability of Zouaves. You just proved my point. Give the film another 80 years and maybe the number of online references will double. There are references to the film and the Zouave from Hobbyist/toy soldier websites and from less specialist sites. I would say that this is hands-down the most pop culture reference to a Zouave aside from Zig Zags. I am going to re-add. The real question is why someone would feel the need to delete such an innocuous and palably and demonstrably true reference. Delete the whole pop culture section if there is no relevance, or leave all proven references in pop culture in. It is, forgive me, a little silly to try and get mathematical about how many online references constitutes relevant pop culture. 99.240.139.189 (talk) 20:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular Culture

message: After the 40YOV imbroglio I thought I should contribute something that would be more widely considered of relevance to the article - I have added additional information about the Papal Zouaves. Unfortunately, information about the Papal and US Civil War Zouaves now seems to dwarf the information on the French Zouaves. Do people think it may be worthwhile to start a separate page for the Papal Zouaves? This could go into detail about how they were recruited, how foreign volunteers (especially from across the Atlantic) made their way to Rome, how they were trained, how the unit was set up administratively etc.?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.240.139.189 (talk) 03:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that the volume of information provided in this article is OK. The one thing that seems to be missing is the connection between the various zouave groups. If it began with the French zouaves, how did others (ACW, Papal, Polish, etc.) learn about them, and why did they imitate them? Was it just the style of dress that was imitated, or were there particular fighting techniques, elements of organization, etc. that were also part of a zouave unit? The article needs to clarify those connections a little more. cmadler (talk) 12:26, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, I would have to do research to provide a more formal answer but I assume the uniform made an impression on people (as perhaps did accounts of their bravery) and spread, in much the same way that French uniforms influenced international uniforms during the Napoleonic period, e.g. in Santa Anna's Mexico, or as the shako (of Hungarian origin) and kepi (of French origin) spread from country to country in the 19th century. Examples of specialised "units" that spread from country to country are hussars (Hungary) and lancers.99.240.139.189 (talk) 17:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The French Zouaves were bound to have attracted attention sooner or later but two developments did bring them them to international notice during the 1850s. These were their involvement in the Crimean War, where they particularly distinguished themselves at the storming of the Malakoff Fort (1855) and the establishment of the Zouaves of the Imperial Guard the same year, drawn from the three line regiments then in existence. While seeing its share of active service in the Crimea, Italy and the Franco-Prussian War, the Imperial Guard regiment was normally stationed in Paris where its exotic appearance and frequent involvement in parades and ceremonies served to raise public awareness of the Zouaves.Buistr (talk) 08:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it JUST the style of dress that was distinctive and copied, or where there other elements, such as rank titles, fighting or drill techniques, weaponry, etc. that were also distinctive? cmadler (talk) 12:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  My guess is that it was only the uniform that was copied (and modified), as most countries have distinctive drill. As to equipment, I seem to recall seeing photos/images of ACW Zouaves with a longer and distinctive bayonet, but wouldn't want to go on record with that.99.240.139.189 (talk) 02:39, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The article mentions "A British volunteer noted that at least three "blacks" (doubtless Africans) and one person from China served in the Zouaves.[4]"  From my experiences with British friends, Indians and South Seas islanders would be considered "blacks" along with Africans.  This accords quite well with the previous tally of one Indian, one African, and one South Seas islander.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.96.131 (talk) 05:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Papal Zouaves

message: The link to Sykes doesn't lead anywhere useful.
: Fixed. Hal Jespersen 15:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sykes link

message: The article stated, Several Zouave Regiments were organized from American soldiers who adopted the name and the North African inspired uniforms during the American Civil War. Several implies four or five; the number of Zouave regiments was considerably higher than several. I edited accordingly.
The article also stated, The Zouave uniform was quite elaborate, to the extent of being unwieldy. For some regiments, yes, but for others, no. The 23rd (Birney), 72nd, and 95th (Gosline) Pennsylvania regiments -- all Zouaves -- had relatively simple uniforms which were rather close to the standard issue. So I edited accordingly.
The article further stated, a tight fitting short jacket without buttons. This is not correct. Some Zouave regiments had jackets without buttons but others clearly did, having what are often called "ball buttons." The three Pennsylvania Zouave regiments I referenced above all wore jackets with ball buttons. I therefore edited accordingly. David Hoag 21:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American Zouaves

message: I was just wondering... Should a link to my user page be on there? --Zouavman Le Zouave 10:47, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should go see a shrink about your ego-issues, more like...82.176.216.87 11:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should I be on there? 

message: ...Charles or Carlos VII (pretender in c.1868-1909). Alfonso Carlos was Carlos VII's younger brother (he didn't became the Carlist pretender to the Spanish throne until 1931). See Carlism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.8.98.118 (talk) 13:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Carlist pretender  in the 3rd  Carlist War (1872-1876) was... 

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