Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board

message: I fully realize that there are some differences in spoken (and less in written) German from Austria to Germany, but does anyone think that a reference to an Austrian science journal (see Myrrha, ref 66) should list the language as "Austrian" (now changed to read Austrian German, but still pissing me off).  BTW, the archive lists it as German and I highly doubt if we have a bot or whatever checking cite tags, that it will have a field for Austrian.  Am I out to lunch?  Also, since I live in America, should I stop saying that I speak English?  Maybe I should stop saying that we use English units rather than metric (since they use more metric and less English now)?  TCO (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There are tons of Austrian dialects (most closely related to Bavarian), but they're usually not written. No scientific publications I have ever heard of are written in "Austrian". Depending on the author, you will get a few Austrianisms, like "Jänner" instead of January, but that's it; the written language is German in spite of those. BTW I didn't find the ref you meant on Myrrha, but it seems to have been cleaned up. Trigaranus (talk) 00:26, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

text: Books and journals published in Austria are no more written in "Austrian" than books and journals published in the US are written in "American". In fact, less so, since Austrian German and German German are closer to each other than American English and English English. The correct term for the form of standard German written in Austria is "German", unless the variant used really matters, in which case one would call it "Austrian German". Hans Adler 00:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I got enough backup here (and even on the main board of Zherman wiki (!) with everyone saying to list it as German, so I just went to "2R"  ;).  I would not make such a big deal, but es clingt falsch.  Um...and one of the nice things about the citation templates is the ability for a bot to scan for languages or the like (for instance if adding translated variaties...so if we have some strangeness like referring to American or Austrian as languages will mess everything up.)TCO (talk) 01:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know the English word for that, in German the expression ist that Austrian German is a Varietät of German (Interwiki of Varietät (Linguistik) links to Variety (linguistics)); it's like Britsh vs. Aussie vs. American English. There are more examples like Januar/Jänner, f. ex. lodging (noun) is Holzfällerei in DE-de but Holzschlägerei in DE-at. A butcher (BE) is Metzger in DE-de but Fleischhauer in DE-at. But there are also some specific spelling differences, f.e.x story (as in first story of a house) is Geschoss in DE-de but Geschoß (with a long o) in DE-at. See also :de:Österreichisches Deutsch and Austrian German. --Matthiasb (talk) 22:09, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Austrian a language? 

message: You may be interested in my proposal here. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  20:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should diacritics be encouraged or discouraged in article's titles? 

message: I have raised concern about the articles in :Category:Nazi political ranks here --FJS15 (talk) 19:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi ranks 

message: Members might be interested in this redirect for discussion --FJS15 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects and grammar

message: There are newly-created listings of the articles in the ADB in :Category:Missing encyclopedic articles (Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie), which may be of interest to those wishing to create historical biographies here. Charles Matthews (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie]]

message: The Jesko Friedrich article has been nominated for deletion. It appears that several sources may be available, which are in German. Any German-speaking editors care to help to improve the article?
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:Northamerica1000(talk) 02:13, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Jesko Friedrich]] article nominated for deletion 

message: A workshop participant has made this page: :de:Benutzer:Florasoft/Hinchinbrook Insel - but she is the only one here who speaks German :-). Some of the translation is difficult apparently. Review/editing appreciated. Thanks! --Chriswaterguy talk 01:58, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  German page made at Wikimedia Australia workshop - needs review  

message: I tried to do some on the medal winners etc, but apparently I suck at it. I don't know if this is the right place to ask for someone to work on it, but if it's not feel free to delete this.--T. Anthony (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Germany at the 2012 Summer Paralympics]] 

message: Some of you might be interested in the Strasbourg discussion at:  Talk:Louis XIV of France
Sca (talk) 15:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Louis XIV — Strasbourg

message: Would someone who can translate German better than I can kindly translate/transwiki to the English wikipedia: Johann Wolfgang Jaeger and Jeremias Friedrich Reuss.  Both men are significant intellectuals in 1600s/1700s Germany and have an academic genealogical influence on such major academics as Hegel.  Thanks for your help!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.187.219 (talk) 20:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translate and transwiki to the English Language Wikipedia help request: 

message: Does the English translation "No News from the West" adequately capture the different meanings of "Im Westen nichts Neues"?  A related question is: can this English phrase be offered as a literal translation in the lead of the article about All Quiet on the Western Front?
There is a discussion at Talk:All Quiet on the Western Front#Providing the literal translation in the lead.
Input from German-speaking Wikipedians would be most appreciated.
Yaris678 (talk) 15:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Im Westen nichts Neues 

message: I've created an article on today's passenger train collision with a vehicle on a level crossing which killed two people and injured 20. Assistance in expanding the article from German sources is sought. Mjroots (talk) 22:20, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ibbenbüren train collision

message: A disagreement has arisen concerning German names with the Nobiliary particle "von". More specifically this edit in Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen. It is my understanding that, since 1919, the "von" is a part of the surname and hence is anything but superfluous, but this is not generally accepted. Since I did not find any clear consensus one way or the other, this noticeboard seems to be the right place to ask the question: is the "von" superfluous and can be omitted or is it a part of the name which should be included? Are there any guidelines? Kleuske (talk) 08:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Your understanding, insofar as it relates to Germany, is correct. Article 109 of the Constitution of the Weimar Republic said, relevantly, "Adelsbezeichnungen gelten nur als Teil des Namens und dürfen nicht mehr verliehen werden." (Noble designations apply only as part of the (sur)name and may no longer be awarded.).  Also relevant is Article 10 of the Einführungsgesetz zum Bürgerlichen Gesetzbuche (Introductory Act to the Civil Code), which says "Der Name einer Person unterliegt dem Recht des Staates, dem die Person angehört." (The name of a person is subject to the law of the State to which the person belongs.)  So if you are German, and the surname you have inherited was preceded by a "von" immediately prior to 1919, then, unless your surname has since been changed by a procedure recognized by German law, it still includes the "von".  In Austria, the law corresponding to article 109 was and still is different:  § 2  of the Adelsaufhebungsgesetz abolished, amongst other things, "... das Recht zur Führung des Adelszeichens „von“" (the right to the use of the noble designation "von".)  So, eg, in 1919 Friedrich von Hayek became Friedrich Hayek.  I'm not sure of the position in Switzerland, but could probably find out if you wish to know. Bahnfrend (talk) 10:17, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the quick reply. However, the question was not so much about the legal situation, but about the consensus on en.wikipedia, which may be different. Are there any policies, guidelines or even an RfC concerning this subject matter? A general rule or consensus? Kleuske (talk) 10:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the starting point is that in Germany, the "von" is definitely part of the surname.  Then you might want to look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), which includes the following comments: "Some Western cultures use a "double last name" format ... The general rule in such cases is to title the article with the name by which the person is best known." (eg, Ursula von der Leyen); "Some people, particularly historical figures, are known by names in the format "<First name> of <Location>", such as Stephen of Ripon and Anne of Cleves. If, for a given person, this format is more often used than the usual "<First name> <Last name>" format, then it should be used as the article title."  It's less clear how the subject of such an article should be referred to in the body of the article.  For example, Ursula von der Leyen is referred to variously as "Ursula von der Leyen", "Leyen" and "von der Leyen" in the English Wikipedia article, but pretty much exclusively as "von der Leyen" in the German Wikipedia article.  As she is (presently) little known and referred to in the Anglosphere, this suggests that the English Wikipedia article should be edited to adopt the same practice as the German Wikipedia article.  However, the position may be different in cases of people referred to more often in English language sources, eg Manfred von Richthofen.  In cases like that, I'd be looking at English language reliable sources to see how they refer to him. Bahnfrend (talk) 13:11, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok. Personally I strongly favor 'von So-and-so', but that's no ground to change anything. Besides, stictly speaking his surname would be Freiherr von Richthofen, i gather, which is a bit much on all accounts, so i'll mind WP:IDONTLIKEIT and thank you for the quick and thorough response. Kleuske (talk) 17:33, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  German names, is "von" superfluous or not? 

message: Greetings. A DYK nomination has been created in which the hook fact has been cited to a source in German. I was hoping somebody would be willing to check that source, and see whether the fact is supported; shouldn't take more than a few minutes. The nomination is Template:Did you know nominations/The creation of the violin. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be happy to help, but the source is a book published 125 years ago, and there are no copies of it in any library within 10,000 km of where I live ... sorry. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:01, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah well. I was not aware that it would be difficult to get hold of. In that case, it would probably be best for me to AGF and pass the nomination, it's been open too long as is. Thanks anyhow, Vanamonde93 (talk) 09:13, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  (quick) help with DYK 

message: I started an article on Locomore. --Ysangkok (talk) 09:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locomore 

message: Guten Tag! Looking at this page on de.wp, it is pretty vehement that the image might not be suitable for upload to Commons (that bit's in English!) but I'd quite like to know why, if someone could pull out the main points it is making? We've  got a few pages that could use that and similar images, so it would be nice to know from the start where we're going to stand. 
:All help received is greatly appreciated. Cheers!  — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 17:35, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This standard advise in English is precautionary (and in some cases wrong). There are many other similar files already on Commons (see :c:Special:Search/Der Großdeutsche Reichstag 1938). Some of them use :c:Template:PD-old, which is not correct (the author is unknown so we can not claim that the author "died more than 70 years ago"). However there is a suitable license for this case: :c:Template:PD-Germany-§134 (analog to the :de:Template:Bild-PD-§-134 used for the file you mentioned). So it seems to me you can upload this file to Wikimedia Commons. If there are further questions regarding licenses I would recommend asking them at Wikimedia Commons. HTH -- Reise Reise (talk) 10:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Many thanks for the advice mate. Will do; take care.  — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 16:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  de.wp image copyright question 

message: * Through the Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol I found the new article Přísečnice, which I belive should be merged wth, and redirected to the article Preßnitz since it tells about a city, when during its existence, was named Preßnitz and not Přísečnice. I would be greatful for an expert comment on this issue. Dan Koehl (talk) 13:25, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Preßnitz is the article on the river while Přísečnice is the article on the town which after 1945 only was named Přísečnice (and still existed for three decades). --Matthiasb (talk) 14:03, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Přísečnice? 

message: I've launched a request to delete the article "Narodil se Kristus pán" right here. The article already exists at Freu dich, Erd und Sternenzelt, and "Narodil se Kristus pán" should be merged into it. "Narodil se Kristus pán" was initially a redirect created by User:Gerda Arendt that went to "Freu dich, Erd und Sternenzelt." FWIW "Freu dich, Erd und Sternenzelt" is on the Main Page today, in the Did you know... section. Narodil se Kristus pán was expanded from a redirect seemingly with nationalistic intent by User:Heptapolein after the first one was created, with no consensus from anyone else. There is not even any other articles that link to it. It would help to get some input on it's AfD page. -- Gokunks (Speak to me) 00:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request to delete article that already exists under German name 

message: Guten Abend: an editor over-wrote the redirect from EDU to Edu in English Wikipedia, replacing it by a promotional piece about a dubious-sounding educational institution: this has been reverted. I see that they've done the same in de.wiki, and my German isn't up to working out how to revert it there or where to leave a message about it. Perhaps someone here could help - see de:EDU, which for 12 years until 22 August 2018 was a redirect to de:Edu. Grusse, PamD 22:29, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Today, the de.wiki redirs are fine: There, de:EDU is a redir to the disambig de:Edu, and also there exists a new article de:EDU (Hochschule) created by this editor, which is also mentionend in the disambig de:Edu. Hochschule translates to University, thus on your talkpage I see the the user is currently trying to create such an article, I assume with the content of this. I think we can leave it up to the de.wiki people whether de:EDU (Hochschule) is notable – for en.wiki, of course, we ourselfs are responsible... I wrote some notices for Eleonorexoxo on her German talk page. --Cyfal (talk) 20:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[de:EDU]] in need of attention 

message: If anyone could look in at my request here and let me know if you know anything, I'd be very grateful. As it is, I'm not even sure what I'm asking for  :) danke schön! ——SerialNumber54129 15:30, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resource Exchange request 

message: this article has attracted the persistence of a user who seems to think that the official name of Germany as a country under Hitler was ACTUALLY "the Third Reich". It was not. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 23:19, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  problem at [[President of Germany (1919–1945)]] 

message: Hi, re the Hans Modrow article, is this current wording...
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...an accurate summary of Modrow's answer below?
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(source: cicero.de)
If not, what wording would be better?
Thanks and happy editing, Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 07:48, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm...what was probably meant was that it was "effectively a democracy". Now mulling over a good translation/rendering of the underlying thought...Lectonar (talk) 10:46, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "An attempt at socialist development in which democracy was somewhat working, albeit with limitations." This should catch the gist of what he said...what is implied is taht it was indeed a failed attempt, and you can feel his disappointment through his words. Lectonar (talk) 10:51, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree - I don't think it's accurate to say  because the quote is talking about an attempt. -- asilvering (talk) 02:43, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accurate summary of German source? 

message: I have just put up an article on German-American Arkansas businessman and politician Harmon L. Remmel. His middle name is given as "Liveright" in all sources. I suspect this is a literal translation of a German name - what would that be? His father was born "Gottlieb Remmel" but is identified on his gravestone as "Godlove Remmel".Brianyoumans (talk) 23:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: This could be the given name Leberecht or Lebrecht. --Cyfal (talk) 05:07, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: "Liveright" is a terrible translation, but Germans in 19th-century America did that kind of thing to assimilate, and if that is the name he actually used, you should cite it that way. Doric Loon (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! It was mere curiosity, I suppose. Unless I found a source that said his actual middle name was something like "Leberecht", I wouldn't mention it in the article. But, because of the way his father's name was translated, I suspect that that's what they did with "Liveright".Brianyoumans (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: "Liveright"?