Talk:Alan Johnson

message: Just who has Alan been married to?!
Is he now not married to this "Kirsten Imrie"?Jamesedwardsmith 21:56, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In his dreams!!!!!!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.42.185 (talk) 21:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marriage(s)

message: Why? MurphiaMan 07:31, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semi protection

message: I think this section is a bit weak.  Polly Toynbee suggests he might be a future labour leader so that warrants a section?  I would be very suprised if he's ever a labour leader and Toynbee's comments say more about her own viewpoint than Johnson's future prospects. Petepetepetepete (talk) 16:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a fair comment. I've spoken to Polly about his latest fiasco, and she's not impressed, I can tell you! 87.114.156.154 (talk) 20:17, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Speculation about future

message: What's the purpose of the addition about whether he believes in God or not (sourced from a Daily Mail (to Americans that's like sourcing something from the Weekly World News).  Similar statements have been added to many politician's articles (mostly Labour politicians).  The Daily Mail article, like most Mail articles, was written in such a way as to imply that not believing in God was something negative and the prose in the article made clear that those who refused to answer the question or said they weren't sure were misleading the public.  It then sought to make up claims about why the person did / didn't believe in God (because he was brought up in extreme poverty, etc.).  Statements about a belief in God (unless it's an integral part of that person) have no place in articles about British politicians.  It may be suitable for articles on American politicians because the USA is a much more religious country.--Xania talk 00:56, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A person's religious beliefs are relevant to his life, so they should be included where reliably sourced. That is the case no matter what the subject's nationality, profession etc. Jim Michael (talk) 03:05, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  He doesn't believe in God.  So what? 

message: I've removed the "religion" field from the infobox, which read "atheist". It was sourced well, but ultimately boxes are for highlighting facts from the article not introducing them. Johnson may be an atheist, but I don't see any evidence he's prominent or outspoken as one, or that it has become a matter of public debate. Given that, I'm not sure he should be in the atheist category either. Per WP:BLPCAT "Categories regarding religious beliefs and sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief or orientation in question; and the subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their notable activities or public life, according to reliable published sources."--Scott Mac 13:28, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That guideline is for categories, not infobox details. Jim Michael (talk) 01:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I realises that. That's why I'm wondering whether the category should be removed as well.--Scott Mac 01:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

text: Inforboxes are for prominent facts. It appears that Johnston's beliefs are not prominent enough to even merit mention in the article - thus mentioning them in the box lends them undue weight and distorts the article. It gives a false impression of a living person, and that's no good. The fact that other article may make the same mistake is neither here nor there.--Scott Mac 14:24, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion = atheism? 

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