Talk:Al-Ahram

message: Please don't revert here. see WP:NOR If you persist i will report it. All the best--Rm125 (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not from Saudi and you have no idea what it is you are talking about. When the BBC writes the ruling party in Egypt it is not OR to replace that with the National Democratic Party (Egypt), because guess what, that is the ruling party in Egypt. nableezy - 00:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Your edits reminds me of WP:SYN, as opposed to Nableezies. And as you stated yourself, "WP:NOR". Steinberger (talk) 00:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To gentelman from Saudi 

message: Rm125, you clearly do not know what you are talking about here. The BBC writes al-Ahram has "largely ignored or trivialised the opposition". The opposition in Egypt is the opposition to the ruling party, the National Democratic Party (Egypt). When you dont know what you are talking about it is best that you dont edit, and even better if you dont edit war over what you dont know what you are talking about. nableezy - 00:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Report away. You do not understand what original research is, so stop trying to cry that adding a detail is original research. When the BBC says the ruling party of Egypt that can be replaced with National Democratic Party (Egypt). Since you do not know what you are talking about read up so that you will know what you are talking about. nableezy - 01:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: And it will be very easy to get you topic banned in the not so distant future if you keep acting the way you are. Record this one too. nableezy - 01:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You dont understand what it is I am saying. Yes the opposition to the ruling party is made up of several parties, but the ruling party is the National Democratic Party (Egypt). The opposition to the ruling party is the opposition to National Democratic Party (Egypt). nableezy - 05:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

text: What board? nableezy - 18:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent edits 

message: Nableezy you erased the section about the independence of this newspaper.
This newspaper is government controlled and the editor apointed by Mubarak personally
Why you refuse to consider a separate section about indepeddence?This issye is not relevant in the west since there is freedom of speech but in Egupt there is no freedom of speech. Looks like your strategy is to hide this fact. Don't you think this part is important to mention? --Rm125 (talk) 03:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a problem with reading? The section is not gone, the article saysAl-Ahram is owned by the al-Ahram Foundation and is one of the largest circulating newspapers in the world.http://www.mondotimes.com/1/world/eg/306/5036/13021 The Egyptian government owns a controlling share of the stocks of the paper and appoints the editors. As appointees of the state little censorship is exercised over them, though it is widely understood that direct criticism of the government will not be printed.http://www.pressreference.com/Co-Fa/Egypt.html Al-Ahram has largely ignored the opposition parties to the ruling National Democratic Party and has not published much direct criticism of the Mubarak government.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4199054.stmnableezy - 05:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The issue of  independence  of Al Ahram 

message: There is a justification fot this title since there are many references of press restriction in Egypt and in particular Al Ahram. On my talk page I have a large section with lots of deliberationd Go to Rm125 talk page for this information.--Rm125 (talk) 05:15, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sensorship 

message: This edit inserted the following:The editorials in al-Ahram are always supportive of government positions[www.adl.org/main_Arab_World/asam_newspapers_02_05.htm] The editor of Al Ahram is given substantial leeway in his editorial practices, assuming he avoids certain "taboos". Al Ahram installed a filter to block several websites and blogs affiliated with Google like www.blogger.com and its printing house prevented the Islamic opposition paper, Sout al-Ummah, from publishing an article critical of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, according to the Arabic Network for Human Rights Information. Censors interfere with Al Ahram by controlling printing facilities and by the President Mubarak government’s appointment of editors. Ahmed Haridy, editor of the online publication Al Methaq al-Araby, was sentenced to six months in prison for defaming Ibrahim Nafie, editor-in-chief of state-owned Al-Ahram. Nafie, who is appointed to his post by the president Husni Mubarak.Let us take a look at each sentence and each source. The first sentence cites "the editorials in al-Ahram are always supportive of government positions" to an ADL report entitled Arab Media Review. The ADL is not a reliable source to be making this as a statement of fact but we could use them for their opinion. The next sentence uses the same source, and again we can use them for their opinion. The next source is openarab.net, an unreliable source that we dont use at all. The next source is a college paper by a self identified "English major". That is absolutely not a reliable source. The next source is an excellent source, Reporters Without Borders, for reporting on press freedoms. This excellent source happens to contradict the ADL source which can only be used for their opinion. This source contains the line "But more and more editorials, even in the main pro-government daily Al-Ahram, openly criticise the ruling party’s monopoly of power and the regime’s corruption." which contradicts the ADL line "The editorials in al-Ahram are always supportive of government positions". We take the better source here. The last source is fine, but it doesnt have anything to do with al-Ahram. A writer at another paper was imprisoned for defamation of the editor of al-Azhar. That doesnt have much to do with al-Azhar as a newspaper. I am going to remove the inappropriately sourced parts of the edit and rewrite the rest to conform with the sources. nableezy - 05:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The one part of the report from Reporters Without Borders that Rm125 used is from an interview with an Egyptian journalist, that needs to be properly attributed. nableezy - 05:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last edit 

message: Here is what the source says: In the run-up to polling day, opposition newspapers such as al-Ahali, al-Wafd and al-Ghad have been highlighting demonstrations against Mr Mubarak and echoing condemnations of his 24-year hold on power.In contrast, state-linked papers such as al-Ahram, al-Akhbar and al-Jumhuriyah have largely ignored or trivialised the opposition.This means that the papers al-Ahali, al-Wafd and al-Ghad have been focusing on and giving coverage to the demonstrations against Mubarak and are themselves writing critical pieces of Mubarak and his regime. The next sentence means that the 3 "state-linked papers" named are ignoring the opposition, not that they are ignoring the opposition papers. The opposition is made up of many parties, but the phrase "the opposition" means all of those parties who are opposed to the ruling party, which in Egypt is the National Democratic Party. Saying this is not original research, it is explaining things to our readers and giving them further information. nableezy - 07:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We cant just repeat what the sources say verbatim, that would be a copyright violation. And we add information where it is relevant. It is just adding an explanation and an opportunity for a reader to find out more information. As far as the word "trivialised" (first, this article is written in American English so it would be "trivialized") it was removed because it is unnecessary with "ignored". If you really want that word you can put it in, but again we shouldnt be using sources for their sentences. nableezy - 07:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: You are right we can use small pieces, I speaking more of in general terms when you are saying we have to write what the source says exactly. We can use the word and if you want to put it in feel free, I just dont think it is needed. The name of the party is not necessarily important but it is nice to have, it gives the reader more information and an opportunity to click the link and find out more information. nableezy - 07:57, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Rm125, if A=B and B=C then A=C. That is basic math. But to the point. "The opposition" means the opposition parties to the ruling party. You can feel free to ask somebody else. Why do you want to remove it? There is no problem with the sourcing here, there is no original research. nableezy - 18:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Sure, I said above ask whoever you wish whether or not this is OR. You have anybody in mind you would like to ask or should we just get a third opinion through the normal process? nableezy - 19:35, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Rm125, would you mind removing the section below? Just copying and pasting out of sequence comments does not help explain why you or I wrote what we wrote. Ill go over what are the main issues in a bit, but it is a busy day for me today. nableezy - 16:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Democratic Party 

message: :Given the large dialectical variety of the Arabic language, Al-Ahram is widely considered an influential source of writing style in Arabic. 
Can someone explain this sentence to me? What does the "dialectical variety" have to do with Al-Ahram's influence on FuSHa? --Ibn Battuta (talk) 23:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it means to say that Al-Ahram upheld standard written Arabic norms, as opposed to any tendency to be influenced by local vernacular/colloquial speech.  I'm sure you know that the fuṣħa approach means that what is written can be read by educated people across the Arab world, while the other approach means that what is written is understandable to more people in the country where it's published... AnonMoos (talk) 09:53, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  unclear 

message: *The opening paragraph about Al Ahram uses a quote from 1950 to compare this paper to 2 extremely well known and generally respected newspapers. The problem with this is that it implies that this paper is also reputable. Readers just doing a quick check to see if this media outlet is reliable may well stop there and not read the body of the entry.
*The body mentions taboos without saying what they are. The mentioning of censorship, press freedom and taboos is likely to give the impression that the facts in the paper are only limited by what they can't publish. However this paper and its foreign language offshoots is well known for biased reporting. The most persistent example of this is its strong bias against Israel (Mainly the state and rarely the Jewish people) and its persistent attempts to imply Israel is somehow involved in trying to undermine Egypt and the cause of Egypts troubles. An example, the first issue of Al Ahram weekly after the Alexandria Church bombing has a report with an interviewed Copt blaming Israel for being behind the attack. The Wikipedia entry should include a list of those taboos and note the examples of systematic bias.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Babaneal (talk • contribs) 20:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Ahram reputation and self censorship 

message: Al-Ahram has definitely changed its editorial policy since the revolution, but the only English-language source I can recall for that is the BBC's TV coverage from 10 February, of which I am having trouble finding a recording. Help? Lockesdonkey (talk) 05:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-revolution 

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