Talk:Mayanism

message: Strong oppose of proposed merge; completely different subjects with similar sounding names. -- Infrogmation 19:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: This is mis/disinformation, what BS.
Only a fool couldn't see how bias this article is, it's as if they are saying the Mayans weren't who they really were - something western science hasn't matured enough to understand or consider. They simply label what they cannot care to study and understand as pseudoscience. What a pity, but our mainstream scientific understanding is just beginning to come out of illusion.
(Zenxlow (talk) 14:28, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, far from it. The article does a very reasonable job of identifying the modern syncretic origins of this belief system that tries to dress up in more ancient costume. Whatever your apparent ideological opposition to "western science", the contents here are referenced and valid. If you disagree with the underlying principles of mainstream scientific understanding, then suggest you look elsewhere as the wikipedia is probably not the place for you. --cjllw ʘ TALK 00:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Strongly agree with cjllw on this. This is an important article. One odd problem in the In Literature section: "José Argüelles... wrote a book, The Mayan Letters (1953), based on his correspondence from Mexico with poet Robert Creeley." Actually, the Mayan Letters was written by Charles Olson -- mp3 snippet here: http://amazon.com/Mayan-Letters/dp/B000V9AVKE/ Plus, as Argüelles was born in 1939, he would have had to have written this book when he was 14. Clocke (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You may be misreading that passage, there's a fullstop between the sentence ending with Arguelles, and the next one about the Mayan Letters book. This 2nd sentence reads "Charles Olson of Black Mountain College had a fascination with Mayan hieroglyphs and wrote a book, The Mayan Letters.." so I guess the attribution is correct. Cheers, --cjllw ʘ TALK 01:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: The website Mayanism.com has appropriated the content of this entry in its About Mayanism section.  Isn't that a violation of Wikipedia policy?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoopes (talk • contribs) 23:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, wikipedia content is free for anyone else to use how they see fit. The policy works the pother way round - we can only use content that is not under copyright.·Maunus·ƛ· 23:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intellectual Property Issue 

message: As far as I can tell, this word has no currency among scholars of any stripe; the word "Pan-Mayanism" is often used, but that's a political movement to unite Mayans under a single government, not a New Age concept. Most sources that employ the word "Mayanism" source it to this article. Serendipodous 08:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a book chapter currently "in press" titled "Mayanism Comes of (New) Age" in a collection of essays titled 2012: Decoding the Counterculture Apocalypse, edited by Joseph Gelfer (Equinox Publishing, 2011).[]. Hoopes (talk) 18:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

text: How many and what kind of citations are necessary to demonstrate that this term now has currency by both scholars and journalists? A Google search on the term makes it clear that it is now in widespread use. Hoopes (talk) 16:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

text: This is DEEPLY problematic. Indeed, user Hoopes seems to be the author of the same chapter he is citing as a source. How is this not self-evidently worthy of condemnation? 2806:2F0:93A0:B063:85FB:495B:C673:C027 (talk) 22:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Neologism

message: The section about entheogens says "...the water lily (Nymphaea), cohoba (Anadenanthera spp.)..." According to the wikilinked articles Nymphea is an old world plant and cohaba is in South America. If this is correct then neither of these was used by Mesoamericans. If nobody can come up with a reliable source for this these should be removed. This paragraph also contains no citations. It should be easy to rind reliable sources for these if this is correct. Senor Cuete (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The genus Nymphaea is found in Mesoamerica and specifically in the Maya area, where it is also depicted in Maya art. Anadenanthera is not limited to South America but was also used in Central America and the Antilles. In fact, cohoba is of Taino origin. I will provide some references. Hoopes (talk) 16:57, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entheogens? 

message: I'm unclear on why Semir Osmanagic's own publication cannot be used to identify him as a participant in Mayanism. Hoopes (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at his book and then read this article. It's clear that what he's doing is Mayanism. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck! Hoopes (talk) 01:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Before making any deletions, please discuss whether or not they are appropriate here on the talk page. Osmanagic has been a significant contributor to Mayanism, which is the subject of this article, and it is not acceptable to delete reference to him simply because one does not like his work. Hoopes (talk) 22:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Without an independent source, it is an WP:OR violation to say it is Mayanism, and an NPOV violation to give it any mention. --Ronz (talk) 21:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Bosnian pyramids

message: There's a reference to Rudolf Steiner in the article. I looked in the referenced book. No reference to Steiner in regard to Mayans in Washington's book. Steiner's one series of lectures about the "Mexican Mysteries" are entirely about the Aztecs. There may very well be no reference to the Maya civilization in the entire corpus of Steiner's work. If this were a page about modern "Aztecism" it would be fitting to refer to Steiner.
Is the article a place for us to throw in the name of any New Age woo-woo author we happen to not like?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Traversetravis (talk • contribs) 01:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find the reference to Steiner, what is it? Doug Weller talk 13:07, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: What Steiner reference?

message: In the process of improving this article through the addition of citations, it would be helpful to have some specific requests and suggestions. Is it necessary to provide a citation for every statement? There is utility in that, but it will require some time. Suggestions on priorities would be appreciated. Hoopes (talk) 16:47, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

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