Talk:Automatic firearm

message: It seems like "shooter is killed in action" is already covered by "the trigger is released"
Barndoorsentry (talk) 18:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Activation

message: The patent linked on the bottom of the page is, although having the title "Automatic gun", in fact a patent of a cooling system for automatic guns.
Igram oxyd (talk) 21:15, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Patent link

message: Since "automatic firearm" can mean many things depending on context (of "automatic pistol", "automatic shotgun" and "automatic rifle", only one implies full auto), and since the content here is almost entirely redundant with other articles, I'm going to change it to a discussion of meaning and a set of links, so people can chose the appropriate meaning and find the right article.  scot 18:19, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Change of content

message: > on April 21, 2008, Governor Kathleen Sebelius signed a bill allowing the sale and possession of NFA weapons in Kansas. The law took effect on July 1, 2008. <
Because of the US federal government's supreme powers manifest in the 1934 and 1986 laws, any state regulation to lax full-auto rifle ownership is just empty boast. The BATF agents will go and forcibly collect any autofire weapon, regardless of what Ms. Kathleen declares. The WACO incident has conclusively shown that Washington has power to act against non-govt full-auto weapon posession, using military force of battle tanks if necessary. 91.83.3.66 (talk) 19:55, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wrong, it just means that people can go through all the legal rigamarole to own their own through legal means in that state, while before it was completely illegal in that state. Do a little bit of research, NFA firearms are not actually illegal, they are just heavily regulated, although it is illegal to own any produced after 1986, or to import any into the US for civilian use.--LWF (talk) 22:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed the bit about Kansas entirely.  It was an irrelevant non sequitur in the context in which it was used, and was irrelevant to this article anyway.  Indeed, leaving it in invites confusion. Lumbergh (talk) 18:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bullshit claim in the article 

message: This article clearly duplicates information from the Firearm and Firearm action articles without adding any unique information. I recommend merging the content changing this article to a redirect. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: The classification of pistols in this article seems confusing, especially considering we also have an article Semi-automatic pistol.
CBHA (talk) 22:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-automatic Pistols 

message: The use of the singular term "automatic" is misleading and incomplete with regard to firearms.  The correct term is Fully Automatic Action.Digitallymade (talk) 11:25, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: on second thought, this page is the SAME content as the page titled Machine Gun. The two pages should be merged. Digitallymade (talk) 16:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

text: I oppose the move as well. Wikipedia uses common names for articles. See WP:COMMONNAME. Also, the issue that Mike mentions. Felsic2 (talk) 18:15, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  This page should be merged with Machine Gun 

message: A couple of points. First, this article is about the type of weapon, not the term. Second, bold text is normally used only for the article title when it first appears in the text, along with alternate titles which redirect to this article. Third, this isn't the US Wikipedia, so discussions of US-centric issues should be kept to a minimum in the intro. Lastly, the intro should reflect and summarize the article. It shouldn't discuss issues that are never mentioned in the article body. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Felsic2 (talk) 18:27, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: has an issue with the intro. Something about the disconnecter on the trigger. I'm not sure I understand it completely so I'll let him explain it here. Felsic2 (talk) 01:17, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to the intro 

message: In the introduction, automatic weapon is defined as: "An automatic firearm is a firearm that continuously chambers and fires rounds when the trigger mechanism is actuated. The action of an automatic firearm is capable of harvesting the excess energy released from a previous discharge to feed a new ammunition round into the chamber, and then ignite the propellant and discharge the projectile (either bullet, shots or slug) by delivering a hammer/striker impact on the primer." This is actually the definition of a "Fully Automatic" weapon.  Later in the introduction, however, it is stated that "...all semi-automatic, burst-fire and fully automatic firearms are "automatic" in the technical sense...".  However, semi-automatic falls outside the definition given in the first sentence since it does not continuously chamber and fire rounds, nor does it use energy released from the previous discharge to "ignite the propellant and discharge the projectile".  I would suggest the first two sentences of the intro be replaced with:
An automatic firearm is a firearm that is capable of harvesting the excess energy released from a previous discharge to feed a new ammunition round into the chamber and reset the hammer/striker.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Southwestern Giant (talk • contribs) 17:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: As it is written, the lede can be understood that semiautomatics are a type of automatic firearms. I think that the article could be clearer, while still explaining the difference between fully automatic and semiautomatic. Sjö (talk) 20:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

text: In modern usage, "full/fully automatic" is a synonym of "automatic". "Full" is just an emphasis. It seems clear as written. VQuakr (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion in the Introduction "Automatic" vs "Fully automatic" vs "Semi-automatic"