Talk:Military Order of Christ

message: :The number 8 is a mystical one, because it represents the infinite, as it has no beginning or end; eight is also the number of fate, destiny and justice.
According to whom?
#From a handbook on symbolism:
The meaning of the octagram: it is the expression of the "Law of Cause and Effect". Those two are inextricably tied together: "What ye sow, ye shall reap". (compare with Karma / Wheel of life) That makes the number 8 the number of fate, destiny and justice.Transformative qualities are: resurrection, immortality and prosperity. http://www.stichtingtrinity.nl/Trinity/Britxt/B02archeo.htm
#Some say:
"Eight and the octagon represent resurrection and rebirth, because Christ rose from grave 8 days after entry into Jerusalem. Thus they became symbols of baptism, the spiritual rebirth of a person, and many baptistries and baptismal fonts are octagonal."NUMBER SYMBOLISM
in the MIDDLE AGES ©Paul Calter, 1998. All Rights Reserved. Dartmouth College http://www.dartmouth.edu/~matc/math5.geometry/unit8/unit8.html#eight%20and%20baptism
#Others Say that:
http://geocities.com/metaco8nitron/temples.html
#Or:
octagon shape symbolizes the regenerating power of God's word, which is transmitted through the personality of the minister.
http://www.eden-ucc.org/EdenContent.asp?id=125
#the symbolism of the octagon (signifying the "eighth day" of eternity)
http://www.saltlakecathedral.org/7.php
#Hence, the octagon, with its eight sides, is the traditional configuration of baptistries and baptismal fonts. This reflects historic Christendom’s recognition of Holy Baptism as a "washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit." (Titus 3:5) Aside from this most appropriate symbolism, the shape of the octagon lends itself well to the Lutheran architect’s desire to gather the congregation around pulpit, font, and altar as active participants in the divine service. The eight-sided configuration of our sanctuary is also reflected in the pulpit, the baptismal font, and the altar. Within this House of God, through the ministry of Word and Sacrament, we become a part of God’s new creation, rising from the death of sin to newness of life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
http://www.osl.cc/ff/architechture.html
#Eight symbolises the number of perfect expression, the octagon, representing, among other things, the cube. [...] The meaning here [referring to a magic square] is "The eight (balance) is the way to the nine." Nine stands in Arabic for the letter Ta, whose hidden meaning is "secret knowledge". 
Robin 
Phenomena Co-ed 
http://messageboard.cinescape.com/phenomenamagazine/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Area51&Number=5829&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
*the good part of the symbolism of the eight is that the meaning is contextual, the eight symbol meanings can be infinite CristianChirita 13:59, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Symbolism of 8]]

message: The date of 1465 for the death of Prince Henry is simply wrong. He died in 1460. Who are these people who don't even know the facts but still write for the Wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.9.30.236 (talk • contribs) 02:50, March 15, 2007
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thread_title: Prince Henry

message: Under heavy influence from Philip IV of France, Pope Clement V had the order annihilated throughout France and most of Europe on charges of heresy, but King Denis of Portugal, forced by the Pope who found that the Order's assets should for their nature stay in any given Order instead of being taken by the King, re-instituted the Templars of Tomar as the Order of Christ, largely for their aid during the Reconquista and in the reconstruction of Portugal after the wars.
What is this supposed to mean? FilipeS (talk) 22:56, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Unintelligible intro

message: There is no reference to the fact that when Queen Mary secularized the three ancient crusader orders of Christ, of St. Benedict of Avis and of St. James she also dedicated them to the Sacred Heart, which is why from her reign until the end of the Monarchy, the crosses of the respective crusader orders hang from a connecting link in the form of a representation of the Sacred Heart, which also appears on the respective stars of these orders.  This is strange because any one who collects the insignia of royal orders would be quite familiar with these insignias with the Sacred Heart.
There is also no reference to the "Ribbon of the Three Orders" worn by the Portugese Head of State (formerly the King or Queen, now the President) in which all three of the ancient crusader orders' crosses are presented on a single oval medallion hanging (again under the Monarchy suspended from a link in the form of the Sacred Heart) hanging from a ribbon of equal parts of red, green and purple.  A breast star also showing all three crosses on a circular medallion is also worned by the Head of State.  Lord Twining's book on the Crown Jewels of Europe show several of these medallions and stars set completely in precious stones, especially large diamonds, which were worn by the Portugese monarchs in the 19th century.  It also appears that those who belonged to more than one of the ancient crusader orders also bore these crosses on an oval medallion from ribbons which which were respectively bi-colored or tri-colored.  I saw one illustrated in sales catalogue from a medals show that had originally belonged to an heir to the Portugese throne.  Again it also hung from a suspection link of the Sacred Heart.67.52.199.50 (talk) 05:02, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: `Sacred Heart

message: I can't see any difference between the two articles, as opposed to the articles in Portuguese wikipedia. Epsilon Tauri (talk) 18:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge. The current structure of the articles matches that on the Portugese pages, which also has page for the ancient religious order (Ordem de Cristo) and the modern secular order (Ordem Militar de Cristo). Given the difference in scope, it seems reasonable to keep the pages separate. Klbrain (talk) 20:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Ordem Militar de Cristo]] 

message: This page and the pages of the other ancient military orders of Portugal were moved without discussion or consensus by . They are superfluous moves not following academic consensus, WP:Common Name, or any logical reasoning, especially the inclusion of "Jesus" in this articles title when it is universally known as the Order of Christ. Cristiano Tomás (talk) 04:25, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unanimous and superfluous moves