Talk:Poland Is Not Yet Lost

message: If we prefer the English name over the original, shouldn't this article be at Dąbrowski's Mazurka? After all that's how it is called... Halibutt 19:20, August 20, 2005 (UTC)
:Indeed. Frankly, you shouldn't ask, you should just move it to new location. Current version it's obviously only half-translated. Przepla 15:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not the original title? The translated form doesn't seem to be established in English. -- Naive cynic 09:44, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening comments 

message: The first line in Polish appears to be in the past tense, from the -la ending, and this is supported by the Esperanto version which starts "Ankoraŭ Pollando ne pereis" i.e. "Thus far Poland has not perished". Don't know enough Polish to feel comfortable editing this, but I wanted to at least point it out. --Haruo 10:48, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tense in incipit 

message: The article currently says the song is informally known in English as ""Poland Will Never Lose Her Life"", 
But I have never heard of that before. I have heard of "Poland is not yet lost" and "Poland has not yet perished", however. Any objections to my removing the first phrase and inserting the latter two? Olessi 19:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no consensus to move —Mets501 (talk) 03:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informal English name 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Weak Oppose Support move to Poland Is Not Yet Lost - Really needs to be some kind of evidence either way. The move proposal seems to make more of a case for Poland Is Not Yet Lost as the title as it is, according to the proposal, better known in the English-speaking world. Narson (talk) 13:09, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: National anthems are not usually translated. Look on Wikipedia: Shche ne vmerla Ukrainy, Marcha Real, Deşteaptă-te, române!, Deutschlandlied, Himnusz, Il Canto degli Italiani, Tautiška giesmė, La Marseillaise, Ja, vi elsker dette landet, Der er et yndigt land, Land der Berge, Land am Strome... see the pattern? This should be at Dąbrowski's Mazurka or Mazurek Dąbrowskiego, or perhaps at the Anthem of Poland. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), I guess. — Kpalion(talk) 21:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The anthem's translation leaves a bit to be desired, unless the person was going for some artistic effect. Word choice could be a bit more precise. 66.214.185.231 (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is this translated?

message: In title, which should be original (Mazurek Dąbrowskiego), "zginęłą" is translated as "lost", but in translation section there is "perished". What more in translation of original text there is "died", despite the fact that "zginęła" and "umarła" mean the same. 79.191.28.153 (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Umarła and zginęła both mean "she died", but they have different connotations and are not entirely interchangeable. The former is rather neutral, while the latter suggests a violent and sudden death – a meaning better conveyed in English by "perished" than "died". So in the translation section, where we attempt to render the text as literally as possible, we use "perished" for zginęła and "died" for umarła. In the title of the article, though, we're not using the most literal translation, but the one that is most commonly found in English sources – which happens to be "lost" rather than "perished", although these two are quite close semantically. — Kpalion(talk) 15:26, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is consistency?

message: Anonymous translation edits are perfectly acceptable if they are very basic corrections. For example, scholars never reference widely accepted dates such as the outbreak of WW2, etc. 
Considering the poem is being translated into English for the benefit of people that do not speak Polish it should correctly express the poem in accepted English idioms.  For example the translation 'From the Italian Land to Poland' is a poor and awkward literal translation. While 'ziemi włoskiej' is fine being in the singular in Polish, there's nothing like this in English. It would have to be in the plural: 'From Italian lands to Poland' (furthermore without a definite article). Translating the Polish to 'the Italian land' is the same as literally translating the English plural 'Italian lands' to the obviously wrong 'ziemie włoskiej'. 
This is really basic English you don't need an academic reference for.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.22.218 (talk) 10:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anonymous Translation Edits 

message: Thank you for IPA adding. But I guess you should add to Modern Official version which is sung actually  today.
And some IPAs are wrong, for example "prz- " is /pʂ/, not /pʐ/, and also "ł " is actually /w/. And IPA of "Bonaparte" and "Dąbrowski" are also wrong.
--Propatriamori (talk) 10:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  About IPA 

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