Talk:Pan-Islamism

message: Disjointed article giving wrong information about Pan-Islamism. I wonder who wrote it .Some one in Wikipedia ought to wake up and clear this crap please.
Writer does not seem to have the faintest idea about Pan Islamism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.218.219 (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

message: Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia are 15% shia and 85% sunni. However, Afghanistan and Pakistan are accurately portrayed with a brownish green tint, and Saudi 
is a dark bold green. Can somone edit the map and make Saudi the same color as Afghanistan and Pakistan? and also, make Iran ever so slightly more greenish(it is 15% sunni).
Thanks!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.115.69.39 (talk) 20:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Innacurate map.

message: A must see Caliphate claim, true or false?
http://thetruereligion.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/global-caliphate-revived-a-message-from-the-21st-century-caliphate/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.54.67.128 (talk) 13:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Fact or Fiction? The West Claim of inevitability of Revived 21st Century Caliphate, claims

message: Muhammad (PBUH) made all Muslims brothers of each other and hence this movement has not started in 20th century. Every Muslim believe that we are all for one and one for all. We all (Muslim) believe that creation of different Islamic states is wrong (islamically) and there should be one Caliph.  I will change this article. --- Faisal 19:57, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremely misguided and Wrong article 

message: Thanks to the latest edits by Aaliyah Stevens and SlimVirgin we now have an empty references section. Notice the random capitalization of "Pan-Islamism" in the second sentence, the pov claim that Jamal al-Din al-Afghan's social policies were "highly progressive," the pov claim that pre-1970 Islamism was "doomed to failure," the incredibly pov referral to the Iranian Revolutionaries as "Mujahideen," and it pretty much goes down from there. There's also the use of "5" instead of 'five' and "&" instead of 'and'. KazakhPol 01:24, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thats a pretty incivil statement. In the future I would ask that you not use the '&' sign and spell out numbers. I do not see the issues I raised above adequately addressed, and I do not see sources for any of this, so I am re-adding the TotallyDisputed template with the unsourced template. KazakhPol 18:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I dispute the accuracy and pov of your entire definition of Pan-Islamism. According to dictionary.com, Pan-Islamism is "the idea or advocacy of a political union of all Muslim nations." I see nothing saying caliphate there. I would like to see everything that is not a well-known historical fact sourced. KazakhPol 20:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

text: You rectified about 10% of the article's problems. The article needs to be sourced. The claim that Hizb ut-Tahrir is a strong force is debatable. I would not dispute that it is a significant force in Uzbekistan but it has no presence in Turkmenistan, and an insignificant presence in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan. KazakhPol 19:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Totally Disputed

message: Please list what facts you dispute. If the only thing is the linking of pan-Islamism & the caliphate; my reference uses them in parallel all the time, and in fact says that pan-Islamism was started by the "young ottomans" group to defend and expand the ottoman caliphate. My reference does not contradict what I say, it affirms it. Unless you have read something I have not, please provide quotes that say that Pan-Islamism is NOT linked to the Caliphate.Aaliyah Stevens 11:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your reference repeatedly separates Pan-Islamism and the Caliphate as "Pan-Islamism and Caliphate." This does not support your position, this indicates that they are separate concepts. Dictionary.com makes no mention of the caliphate in its definition of Pan-Islamism. KazakhPol 18:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: If you actually provided a reference showing this then there would be no problem. KazakhPol 22:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition of Pan-Islamism & Caliphate

message: "But in 1979 the ... Muslim mujahideen successfully forced the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan."
My friends, the Soviets did not leave Afghanistan until 1989. 
Have a nice day :-) --Leroy65X 19:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pretty Bad article

message: I can't really expect much from this website but I thought you'd ought to know. Your probably looking for Islamic "Islam" or "Muslim".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.145.173 (talk) 05:11, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Christianist, Judist ... words of wisdom, try it on other religions to see if it sounds right. wiki = fail.
-G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.81.124 (talk) 05:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Islamist" isn't a word... You might as well have titled it "Muslimism" 

message: A Pan-Islamist does not necessarily calls for the unity of all Muslims under one Caliph. Another thing, you can not date back the starting history of Pan-Islamism to the start of Islam itself; Islam is a religion and Pan-Islamism a political movement that started with Sayyid Jamal al-Din al-Afghani in the mid-nineteenth century. The author is confused between the ideology of Hizb ut-Tahrir, which calls for restoring the Islamic Caliphate, and the ideology of Pan-Islamism, which calls for the unity of all Muslims that helps them to confront internal threats. Unity in Pan-Islamism does not mean a unity under one single ruler, but actually it means a coalition contains of the Muslim leaders around the globe. (orignally posted by abdumuqa above. moved here by boogalouie)
:Please post comments at the bottom of the page. That's where editors look for new posts.
:To reply to your comment: Doesn't the article agree with you (i.e. some of your complaint)? 
:It says " ... a political movement advocating the unity of Muslims under one Islamic state often a Caliphate." and "The model of pan-Islamism aims to follow what can be described as the early years of Islam ..."  (italics added)
:If as you say "the ideology of Hizb ut-Tahrir, ... calls for restoring the Islamic Caliphate, and the ideology of Pan-Islamism, ... calls for the unity of all Muslims that helps them to confront internal threats," 
:Then isn't HT calling for a kind of Pan-Islamism? One that other Pan-Islamists may or may  not want, but still Pan-Islamism?  Surely HT would not disagree that the "unity of all Muslims ... helps them to confront internal threats ..." 
:"Unity in Pan-Islamism does not mean a unity under one single ruler." Says who? Might some  PanIslamists want a coalition and some want a single ruler and some want something else? 
--BoogaLouie (talk) 15:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Complaint

message: Good heavens, this article is a mess.  And the people writing it are merely adding their own definitions, impressions and opinions.  Some of them do not even pretend to be objective.  This article could benefit greatly from an expert on Islamic politics. 24.27.25.87 (talk) 00:18, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a mess 

message: Looks to me like the only people bothered about editing this page are dribbling Muslim fanatics. Can somebody with half a brain please fix this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.11.147.159 (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold and do it yourself.VR talk 14:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh great... 

message: This file seems to contain nothing but original research. I'm removing it from the article.VR talk 14:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: File:The possible Khilafat.png

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message: I've removed "As a form of internationalism and anti-nationalism" from the lead, as it does not seem to be supported by reliable sources. RS instead state that  it's not necessarily opposed to nationalism. You could say that it's a form of nationalism where all Muslims are part of the nation (t · c) buidhe 17:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pan-Islamism and nationalism