Talk:Mohammed Deif

message: From Wikipedia page on Terrorism:
In November 2004, a United Nations Secretary General report described terrorism as any act "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by ValuableAppendage (talk • contribs) 20:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  According to UN definition, Deif should be described as a terrorist 

message: Concerning .  Where in the policy does it say it applies only to primary sources? --Atethnekos (Discussion, Contributions) 02:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLPSPS 

message: At one point, Arafat seemed to be actively protecting Deif, while simultaneously telling Israeli government leaders that he knew nothing about the whole thing.  This was a significant episode in the downward spiral of trust between the Israeli government and Arafat... AnonMoos (talk) 13:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Point of friction between Israeli leaders and Arafat

message: Fox News report specifies the date as "early Wednesday" which would therefore be the 20th of the month. Other sources seem to include this attack together with other attacks Tuesday night, but since the report of his death is based on Fox News we should give the date of the 20th. I already made the necessary correction in the page but it was reverted. Tkuvho (talk) 07:18, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fox News on Deif's alleged killing 

message: Hey i recently added his number of childrens as 3 (2 daughters and 1 martyred seven months old son 'Ali') but as per sources Deif's wife had 2 more sons from here previous marriage so how to add that in his infobox I don't know.... Since I'm not that experienced🫠 Faraz Sualeh (talk) 03:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone edit 

message: I understand the long history between Israel and Palestine but what has happened is unacceptable in terms of humanity. The article infers that this attack was acceptable consequence of the conflict. It's quite sad to see intellectuals not be able to call balls and strikes fairly. Same would apply to Israel if and when such things occur. There's baked in bias. 2601:249:8B00:6C84:C48D:12B0:25D7:6347 (talk) 01:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's controversial because there's ample evidence of Israel engaging in similarly inhumane and 'unacceptable' behavior. What is 'acceptable' is a matter of perspective. Jamesiepoo88 (talk) 01:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct, @Jamesiepoo88 -- hence your comment is entirely composed of rancid bile and is completely subjective OR. 65.88.88.56 (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Okie doke!  Jamesiepoo88 (talk) 19:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is this topic controversial? 

message: On Wednesday, 11 October, the Jerusalem Post reported that a Deif family home was bombed earlier that same day by Israeli forces. Deif's brother (or a brother of Deif) and two other relatives were killed. Should be added, no? Other reliable sourcing also, including Reuters. 65.88.88.56 (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: . —M3ATH (Moazfargal · Talk) 21:48, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 11, 2023 bombing killing Deif's brother and two other relatives

message: Real Name: Mohammed Diab al-Masri 
Proffession: Terrorist  Nowhere of things (talk) 10:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the France 24 source. That's added. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 October 2023 

message: He’s not a militant. He’s a terrorist, internationally recognized terrorist. He works for a terrorist organization called Hamas. This information is misleading and just WRONG. Likamek (talk) 14:21, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. NotAGenious (talk) 15:29, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: MOS:TERRORIST discussed this in detail, and the article states that . NotAGenious (talk) 15:30, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 20 October 2023 

message: I just edited the article, adding new information, restructuring the sections and paragraphs and adding a photo.
I removed the Quotes section, as I felt it was not needed here. We don't have quotes on other biography pages. I also removed from the infobox the details about Deif leading the Battle of Gaza (2007) and the 2008 Gaza War, because as per the referenced information I added to the article body, effective authority over the Hamas military wing between July 2006 and November 2012 was exercised not by Deif, but by Ahmed Jabari, due to injuries sustained by Deif in an assassination attempt.
If you disagree with any of those changes, feel free to discuss them in a reply to this topic. Kindly ping me if you do.
Thanks. Moazfargal (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article overhaul 

message: spelling: change "adress" to "address" in the photo caption of Deif which currently reads "Picture of a shadow, used in an audio adress by Deif". Bondonk (talk) 12:42, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: M.Bitton (talk) 17:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 November 2023 

message: Makeandtoss removed Deif's full name from the lead and infobox while keeping it in the first section. I think the full name should be displayed in the lead and infobox. Any thoughts? Moazfargal (talk) 20:42, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There’s no such thing as four parts “full names” in Arabic. Full name is the first name and family name. Adding his father’s and grandfather’s name has no value. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:44, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As a native Arabic speaker, there are full names in Arabic. And biographical pages like Donald Trump and Joe Biden don't only show the first and family names. Moazfargal (talk) 20:51, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Joe Biden and Donald Trump's names have middle names, which are specific to them, and these are not their father's names. What benefit did readers get from knowing his father and grandfather's name in the first sentence? Makeandtoss (talk) 12:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Makeandtoss: I mean, it's not that much less than the benefit to readers of Trump's and Biden's middle names, whether or not these middle names aren't father names. In fact, the articles still mention Trump's father name (haven't checked Biden's), albeit not in the first sentence. Therefore, I can understand omitting the "Diab Ibrahim" part from the first sentence, but I still think it should be shown in the infobox. Moazfargal (talk) 13:14, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have edited the article accordingly. Moazfargal (talk) 14:35, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full name 

message: * Full name is Mohammed Diab Ibrahim al-Masri per "Early life" -- should be added to lede and infobox. 96.246.238.31 (talk) 01:17, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Full name, part II 

message: "It was believed that the seven assassination attempts have lost Deif an eye and limbs, leaving him wheelchair-bound. After the 2006 assassination attempt, Deif spent three months in Egypt for treatment of his skull after shrapnel lodged in it, and he continues to take tranquillizers daily to treat headaches. Hamas has not confirmed or denied these claims and doesn't comment on his health. His survival has earned him the nickname 'the cat with nine lives' among his Israeli adversaries."
Article from the Jerusalem post dated December 20, 2023 (https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-778785) refutes the claim.  "From these videos, it now appears that Deif’s condition is significantly better than Israel had believed following a long series of attacks, some of which wounded him. Deif is able to walk on his own and does not use a wheelchair. He probably has use of both his hands." AninnymouseEditor (talk) 18:13, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assassination attempts section edit request 

message: Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 Bakbik1234 (talk) 18:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: User:‏David O. Johnson could you help with this? I have noticed you edit a lot of pages regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Bakbik1234 (talk) 03:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohammed Deif has several wives 

message: "In October 2023, during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Deif's father house was hit by an Israeli airstrike, killing Deif's brother and two other family members. It was unclear whether or not the airstrike targeted Deif."
I believe that this sentence should be changed to:
"In October 2023, during the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, Deif's father's house was hit by an Israeli airstrike, killing Deif's brother and two other family members. It was unclear whether or not the airstrike targeted Deif."
I do not have Extended-Confirmed edit permissions, so if someone else could make this change for me, that would be helpful. Thanks!
JohnR1Roberts (talk) 01:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typo in body of category: "Assassination Attempts"