Talk:Maithil Brahmin

message: An article 'Maithili Brahmins' existed in Wiki which had a wrong title (Maithili Brahmins should be replaced with Maithil Brahmins) and contained materials from a website without a copyright permission. Hence I created the present article and redirected the old article to it, and rewrote the passage which had similarities a web site, and added much matter thereafter with sources.  - Vinay Jha 02:46, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the article under "Maithil Brāhamana" and not "Maithil Brahmins" then? Sasquatch  t|c 19:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If correct pronunciation is learnt, it will not harm you. A  will either laugh or frown at you if you call him a Brahmin. An Englishman is called a Firangi by illiterate Indians and Angrej by literate ones. Warren Hastings called Hindus as Ghentoos. You can choose what you like. Brahmin is more widespread among non-Indians, esp. English speakers. If you insist on renaming this article, I will not quarrel, but I prefer Sanskrit spellings for terms related to Hinduism.  is accurate, but very difficult for most of non-Indians due to retroflex , hence I used a simpler form Brāhamana. - Vinay Jha 00:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Creation of this article

message: May i know the contact no. or email id of Mr. Vinay Jha here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.64.158 (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks Mr Vinay Jha

message: Is there any relation between Vishwakarmas and Maithil Brahmins? Jangids, Dhimans or Vishwakarmas have their own personal websites. They claim themselve as Maithil brahmins or its branch. But on the other hand no description about those in this article. What is the confusion??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.64.193 (talk) 15:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no published reference available to me which mentions Jangids, Dhimans or Vishwakarmas being connected with Maithil Brahmins. If others have any reference, they can add such citations into the article. Only migrants of Aligarh have published their history, which has been cited here. Chhattisgarh and Madhya Pradesh has a large population of Maithil Brahmins living there from millenia, but we do not possess their details. A large component of Bengali brahmins is Maithil in origin, but details are dispersed and difficult to collect. Unsourced statements cannot be added. - Vinay Jha  VJha (talk) 12:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vishwakarmas vs Maithil Brahmins 

message: you were totally wrong hence deleted.Please go through vedas and other history about vishwakarmas to comment on the same.
@you were totally....
Well, i may be wrong by your point of view but this is the talk section. You can only delete after the discussion and conclusion. If you know the history then please come here to write something about the 'Vishwakarmas'.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.243.177.212 (talk) 09:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: How much I am Correct

message: This article uses A History of Brahmin Clans as its source and says that Hindi work is based on the earlier Maithil Brāhamano ki Pañji Vyavasthā, which is now out of print. Aside from the problems identified at WP:NOENG, I am concerned regarding the reliability of these sources. I note that the former appears to have been published by a caste association, which is not usually a great idea.Are there no independent, English-language studies of the community? - Sitush (talk) 08:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Maithila Dynasty
Nimi I (5950 BC) – Nimi was the second son of Iksvaku. Nimi had a broad forehead, Lotus like eyes, broad shoulders and long arms. He was magnificent, Glorious, brave and powerful.
Founding of vaijayanti - He left Ayodhya with fifty to sixty followers and founed a new colony called Vaijayanti. This was in Mujaffarpur on the river Gandak in Bihar.In the south of Vaijayanti was the ashram of maharshi Gautama.
On the one hand Nimi looked after his people well and on the other hand he used to follow rules and regulations with strictness as his father Vaivaswata Manu had done. He dealt with criminals and the militants  with a heavy hands. There was no place for cheat in his kingdom. That was why his kingdom prospered day by day.
Nimi decides to perform a yagya -  After sometime he thought of performing the yagya. First of all, he sent invitations to all his brothers and reqested them for help. All the brothers happily agreed to join the yagya and also sent food and money to make the yagya successful. Nimi himself had collected a lot of food and money. First of all he went to the ashrama of maharsi Gautama and requested him to become the main priest of yagya, and Gautama happily accepted. Then he went to the ashrama of other Rishis and Munis. They all accepted his invitation. He went to the Brahmins residing in his cities and invited them to the yagya. Then he invited the Parshadas, the expert in Vedas.
	
But he made one mistake, and that cost him his life. He invited the family priest of Ayodhya last of all. He thought he should invite those first with whom he had no direct relations. He took the family priest of Ayodhya as his own.  He had always been with Iksvaku in good and bad times. Secondly ‘he thought that he must have got the information through his brother’ king Vikuksi, as he had first asked him for help and support. Therefore, he went to Ayodhya in the end and met the family priest.
	
The family priest was performing  yagya. He had become old and everybody honored him. he was angry with Nimi because he had invited other rishis and munis without prior consultations with him. He had come to hom in the end only. The family priest told him there was no need of his blessing. He also asked why should he take his permission first? He might be thinking that the family priest was dependent on his family and ho would definitely comply with his request. The family priest then refused to attend the yagya saying that he had to go to meet Indra in Amrawati in Tibet. Nimi ws speechless when he heard his refusal. It was the clear that the feelings of the family priest had been hurt.
	
Nimi confessed that since he had been busy in making preparations for the yagya he could not approach him earlier. He had not formally because he believed that it was with the family priest’s consultation  and blessings only that the brother Vikuksi had sent the food and money. At this the family priest said that he (Nimi) had requested for help and support from the King Vikuksi. So there was no question of his coming personally without an invitation.
	
The custom of yagya ws that first of all one’s own brothers and relatives invited.  He did not invited even his own priest. If he wanted him to be present in his yagya, he might postpone the yagya. After his return from Amrawati he might have his yagya. Nimi then said that till then the food might have gone rotten. At this the family priest said that he could do nothing in the matter. He could have his yagya after appointing someone else as the priest of the yagya. Then Nimi said that all the rishis and munis were coming only because they were sure of his presence. If he did not attend the yagya others might also return without participating in the yagya. His yagya would not be complete.
	
It looked as if Nimi was going to weep saying that it was not his fault, The family priest got up from his seat hoping that Nimi might also leave the place. Nimi also got up, but he said that that was not proper on his part. The family priest said that he did not care whether it was proper or improper. Now Nimi lost his temper. He said the family priest was intentionally putting impediments in his yagya and that was not proper for him.
Death of Nimi – The Family priest also lost his temper. He said that Nimi was not fit to perform the yagya. He asked him whether he had come there to insult him. he had fought several bettles. He would burn him alive. Saying that the family priest pushed Nimi into the holy fire of the yagya. While falling Nimi caught the hand of the family priest. Both fell into the fire and were burnt alive.
Maithila & Vaidehi Janaka – The priest of vaijayanti returned home distressed and stricken with grief. There was mourning all over the state. Nimi had no issue, but the queen was pregnant. She gave birth to a son who was named Mithi. He fulfilled the dreams of his father. After his name the kingdom of Vaijayanti was called Maithila. Before his birth his father (Janaka) had died (Vaideha). Hence, he was called Vaidehi Janaka. Now the kings of Maithila were conferred on the title of Janaka and they were also called Vaidehi. They looked after the people like their own children. Nimi had a desire that he should be known in the world for his good deeds. All the rishis with one voice made him sit in the eyelids of the people. One new word was added to the Sanskrit language. The time between dropping and lifting of the eyelids was called nimish.
	
The dynasty of Maithila from Manu onward is as follows: (1)Manu, (2)Iksvaku, (3)Nimi, (4)Mithi, (5)Janaka, (6)udavasu, (7)Nandi Vardhan, (8)Suketu, (9)Devrata.
	
These are only the names of prominent kings. At least sixteen names of other unknown kings are missing from this list.
Devrata I – He was a great warrior and archer. Rudras handed over the Shiva’s bow to him, which remained in his dynasty for about 1500 years till Shri Rama broke it to win the hand of Sita in her swayamvara.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.225.197.118 (talk) 10:05, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, I think you are referring to this book. Who is J P Mittal? An academic? The info that you provide looks useful but without page numbers etc it is going to take a bit of digging around. - Sitush (talk) 09:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maithila Dynasty 

message: I have just reverted the recent adjustments to the lead section that were sourced to Encyclopedia Britannica. If one wanted to wikilawyer, it could be argued that there should be no need for citations in lead sections because those sections are intended to be summaries of articles and thus the content should be cited within the body. However, I have more specific concern and I raised it here. I have serious doubts concerning the reliability of the source in instances such as this and, indeed, in this specific instance. What we really need are reliable secondary sources, not some potentially half-cocked stub in another online encyclopedia. Please can we try to aim for this. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 23:43, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Encyclopedia Britannica'' online 

message: The article Jha (surname) contained some unsourced text about Maithil Brahmins which did not appear to be directly related to the Jha article. I'm pasting the text below, and with sources I'm sure that some of it could be integrated in this article. --bonadea contributions talk 18:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text moved from [[Jha (surname)]] 

message: Please see the discussion at Talk:List_of_Maithil_Brahmin#Merge with Maithil Brahmin. - Sitush (talk) 16:52, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

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message: I have no idea if the Khandewal dynasty is the same as the Raj Darbhanga. I know our article on the Raj Darbhanga says that they are synonymous but I can't spot the source for that and the Paul Brass source I have just removed from this article doesn't mention them under that name. We do not need a multitude of examples anyway, and I am well aware that there has been a lot of pov-pushing by supporters of the Raj Darbhanga over the years. Furthermore, my recent removes (in a harsh way) both poor phrasing and poor citing (the latter because putting the cite where we did makes it look like Brass supported both the Khandewal claim and that of the Oinwars). - Sitush (talk) 10:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Khandewal dynasty 

message: Choudhary Surname of Darbhanga Onkar Choudhary (talk) 06:32, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
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message: What is the victory chant of Mithila? 
Mithila ka jay udghosh kya hai? 2409:40E5:9F:F634:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 17:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the victory chant of Mithila?