Template talk:New England Patriots roster

message: Before editing, please note that the roster is in alphabetical order by last name. it is not grouped by position.--Alhutch 05:58, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody put a second link to Doug Flutie on this one, I guess not realizing it was in alphabetical order, because they put the second one up next to Tom Brady.--Alhutch 07:34, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Alphabetical order

message: http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/09/08/brady-out-for-season-placed-on-injured-reserve/
Also A video on www.patriots.com has stated that Tom was placed on team IR.  Don't change his status back to Active because it simply isn't true
Talking to you Pats1, You clueless Prick who feels like he must beat everybody to the punch, because you feel like you are the biggest pats fan, LIKE EVER, which you clearly are not. More Clueless and Arrogant than anything.--98.196.194.103 (talk) 23:39, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, both of you should stop the edit-warring.  The Patriots own website says "Brady on I.R."  Plus, every news outlet is reporting the same thing.  This would not be the first (nor last) time that a change is made to the roster based on what is being reported (I have seen specific instances of Adam Shefter reports driving roster changes before anything became "official").  Whether or not the official paper work is filed yet, Brady is "on" the IR  Bjewiki (Talk) 00:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement says "will be placed on the IR." Does that mean tomorrow? Probably. Could that mean in a few days? Possibly. But as of right now there are 53 players on the roster, Brady is one of them, and Faulk isn't. It's that simple. Based on WP:V and WP:CRYSTAL there should be no argument. As such, I'm not going to waste any more of my time dealing with this. Nor should you. There's no reason to jump the gun, all that's required is some patience and I'm sure by this time tomorrow night everything will be done and the roster template would have been accurate both today and tomorrow. That's my only concern. Pats1 T/C 00:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Every sports site has the same report.  Brady's season is over, he's on the IR or being placed on the IR, etc.  You (Pats1) and Chris gave up on "Verifyability" a long time ago with the rosters.  You constantly speculate on the positions of players and status of players because you both "know better than the team website" and/or "news articles".  Again, every sports resource on the intertubes right now is reporting the same thing.  It's perfectly acceptable (under your own standards) to list Brady as on the I.R. Bjewiki (Talk) 00:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: And we've fucked up more than a few times and paid the price. Tons of reports had Sepulveda placed on IR sometime in July or early August, yet we slowly realized that the move never actually happened and we reversed it just in time for Sepulveda to actually on go IR at the 75-man cutdown. Or just back last week, when we both bit on the "agreed to terms" thing w/ Bouman and Harrington and eventually both ended up being wrong (until one was right). The thing is, these types of things can royally screw the good accuracy that we do have going on these templates and it also saves us a lot of time down the road when some numbers don't work out or something only to find that we screwed up on some move before. I'm not saying that Brady isn't going on IR - we all know that he will, but the simple fact of the matter is that he hasn't yet. We'll most likely see the move happen tomorrow, as the media has reported, but the reports that Brady has already gone on the IR are a blatant misrepresentation of the sole release the Pats have provided. But quite frankly Bjewiki, we both have better things to do than argue over this. Seriously, please just find something else to do until tomorrow, because I have other things to do as well. This is a pointless argument and I'm already sick of wasting time on it. Pats1 T/C 00:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Addtionally, (i'm not going to report you), but it would look like you're in violation of the 3RR.  You should be setting an example as an admin. Bjewiki (Talk) 00:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful. <lighthearted sarcasm>Your additional revert was an excellent way to settle the situation down too. </sarcasm>. Pats1 T/C 00:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tom Brady 

message: Bruschi should be taken of the roster list? it is already announced in both NFL.com and NEPatriots.com but I still don't know if he have filled the proper documents to make the retirement official (like Jake Plummer). --Octa62 (talk) 21:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: When they place him on Reserve/Retired he'll be removed until then he stays.--Giants27 (c|s) 21:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tedy Bruschi retirement 

message: I was told that I can't put the specific type of safety (FS or SS) on this roster template. Why? Every other team does. RevanFan (talk) 13:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the Patriots use players at the positions interchangeably. Meriweather, Sanders, McGowan, and Chung have all played both positions in games. Pats1 T/C 21:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Question about safeties

message: Why aren't we listing the Reserve/Military players in the reserve list any more? RevanFan (talk) 21:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they're not in the NFLPA database anymore, so we can't really verify that they're still on the team that way. It may be years before they are reinstated. Pats1 T/C 22:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They're still listed on the official team site roster. RevanFan (talk) 22:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't make them valid. That's just someone in media relations giving their best guess. Pats1 T/C 23:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Another question

message: On the roster for the team, under "Tight Ends," Aaron Hernandez has been left out. He is definitely still a member of the team, he was present at the teams training camp today, wearing shorts with the number 81 on them. Here is the official NFL article with proof (Third paragraph): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821151a1/article/ochocinco-receives-warm-reception-right-at-home-as-no-85?module=HP11_headline_stack
70.54.35.228 (talk) 00:21, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Look to the right side of the template. He is on the Active/PUP list. The # that he wears on his shorts isn't exactly official. Pats1 T/C 00:22, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Marking as answered as information is all in the template now. Jnorton7558 (talk) 04:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 70.54.35.228, 30 July 2011 

message: Is there a reason for Reserve/Retired players to not be included in the reserve list section?--75.226.91.237 (talk) 03:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: A Reserve/Retired player is a player who has officially filed their retirement papers, meaning most likely they will never play football again. Why include a player who will never play football again? RevanFan (talk) 04:32, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reserve/Retired count against the 90 man roster, and a good number do go back to playing. --Conor Fallon (talk) 01:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reserve/Retired 

message: The Patriots do not officially have free safeties and strong safeties. That being said, why do people keep switching pretty much every safety on the roster from FS to SS or vice-versa so often? I propose that all of the safeties just get "S". If, for some reason, nobody wants to do this, then the "coverage" safeties should be FS and the others should be SS. Wilson and Williams would obviously be more of the coverage type, considering that they played some corner in college, but both are currently listed as SS on the template.
Additionally, I have never seen Malcolm Williams play safety ever. I'm fairly sure he only played corner in college. I'd like to see some proof of him being a safety.
I'm going to make the FS/SS changes I just suggested and if you disagree, post here and explain why. I'm still advocating changing them all to just "S" but that's probably too extreme for me to do without a discussion.
Thank you, 71.192.28.80 (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: On every NFL template, whether or not they actually designate between positions, we always place either SS or FS down, based on the online depth chart, and what we see them play most often. If a player starts at, or plays most of his snaps at SS, he will be listed as SS, even though he is officially both. I say we only list them as "S" if they play both equally, or close enough to equally. RevanFan (talk) 22:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safeties 

message: We'll see soon enough, but I have seen conflicting reports on whether Davis was released with an injury settlement or waived/injured. I've seen more reports of injury settlement, but he's listed as waived/injured here. It's probably not worth trying to figure out because if he was waived then he'll revert to IR in just a few hours. VeniUbique (talk) 17:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Britt Davis 

message: KYLE HIX IS NOT UNDER CONTRACT.  SHUN WHITE IS.  PLEASE FIX THIS ASAP  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.51.136 (talk) 16:03, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Hix was waived/injured and, by rule, reverts to injured reserve. White indeed is under contract, but we don't include players on reserve/military (or reserve/left squad, reserve/did not report (past the current season), reserve/suspended, or reserve/retired), because their timetable for return is indefinite. Pats1 T/C 16:28, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hix/White 

message: Hix is not under contract while Shun White is.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotsfan2821 (talk • contribs) 18:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ...would it be possible to read the response to what you posted a few hours ago, right above this? Pats1 T/C 18:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shun White/Kyle Hix 

message: Due to a couple edit flip-flops, I realize there's a question about the meaning of "unsigned" on the template. Does it refer to unsigned free agents or unsigned draft picks? DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure it means unsigned draft picks, since there is a different parameter in the template for the number of free agents. Calathan (talk) 06:08, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Meaning of "unsigned"

message: change Jeremy Hill's # to 33 cuz thats his new profile pic on insta like the #33 jersey number in his pats uni so KipperD (talk) 02:37, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Done. His past numbers aren't necessarily his future numbers, and the Patriots roster lists him with no number (and they will until training camp). Tarl N. (discuss) 03:48, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, see Patriot's roster for what numbers have been assigned to players. Unless you have a reliable source that says a number has been assigned (contrary to their published roster), please don't even try. We go through this every year where some people have a drive to publish fictitious numbers for players, and it gets tiresome. Tarl N. (discuss) 03:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Just adding to this. I was part of this discussion a couple years ago as the one trying to add the numbers. While Hill's number is likely correct, we don't update the roster here unless a reliable source, either the team website or a reporter, announces it. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 20:04, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2018 

message: I know we don't make edits based on unpublished sources, but I thought it might be an idea to keep an update on unconfirmed numbers in the talk, both to help us get an idea of what the final numbers might be and to be able to test the reliability of those sources when the official roster comes out. Right now we have unofficial numbers from two players' Twitter profile pics: Jeremy Hill's (33) and Jordan Matthews' (80). DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 11:53, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If a player says "the patriots have told me this is going to be my number", we can take that as reliable. In the case of Hill, his profile has a number 33 on it, as best I know, he hasn't actually said that the patriots agreed. One thing that seems to be going on is attempts to influence number selection by pre-emptive claim. We don't want Wikipedia to be part of that. Tarl N. (discuss) 15:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Right; I'm agreeing that we shouldn't make the change until it's official. Speaking of which, Matthews wearing 80 is indeed official; beat writer Zack Cox confirmed it. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 17:25, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: here? I don't see it. Tarl N. (discuss) 22:00, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: On his Twitter. But a few of the beat guys have written about it now. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 23:52, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah. Interestingly, he doesn't say the Patriots have agreed to give him number 80. Just that Amendola (who isn't on the team any more) agreed to it. Hopefully the coaching staff doesn't have a different opinion than he does. Tarl N. (discuss) 01:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

text: Here's another unofficial number: Braxton Berrios, 10. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we want to use that in Wikipedia? That's getting towards WP:CRYSTALBALL. He doesn't say he has number 10, just that he's going to ask for it. Tarl N. (discuss) 21:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, I'm listing it here as unofficial right now, and not suggesting adding it to the roster until it becomes official. That's why I put it in the Talk page instead of on the roster. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 14:34, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unpublished sources 

message: Just spotted this article from November. Is King to remain listed as SS or should he be moved to linebacker? DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 18:37, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep him at safety. Freefalling660 (talk) 00:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The team website now lists him as a linebacker. I'm going to move him on the template. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Brandon King position

message: So the Patriots website now on their roster page has updated everyone's number. The rookies are listed with the apositional numbers they wore during spring practices. Should we add those numbers to the template? DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 12:09, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  2018 rookie "oddball" numbers 

message: Yes, there have been a lot of conflicting reports over Matthews' roster status. Fortunately, ESPN Patriots writer Mike Reiss cleared it up this morning, writing:
"Because he was injured, the Patriots first placed Matthews on injured reserve and then reached an injury settlement with the receiver that allows him to play again later this season, if healthy."
Thus, Matthews was on IR briefly, but is now off the roster entirely. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Jordan Matthews 

message: I noticed that all the uniform numbers are suddenly bold. Why the change? (And it's thrown off the spacing - players with double-digit numbers are now indented further than single-digit players, even with the spacing in the number field.) DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Elijah. That was a sudden moment of weirdness. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 22:22, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emboldening bold boldness? 

message: The Patriots are doing the weird rookie numbers thing again during spring practices. Should they be added to the template? (They're not on the roster page, but other numbers for new Patriots revealed in pictures and videos on the team site have been added here.) DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 19:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird rookie numbers again 

message: and it's the same on all NFL team templates, but not other sports team templates. Is this an approved change? DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the purpose of using the Courier font for numbers here is so each character is the same width for consistency. If we changed the number font to the same font as the names they would appear jumbled. NBA roster templates use one column for all players, which is easy since there's only 17 players on a roster during the season. MLB roster templates have the same format as NFL roster templates. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:51, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, User:DNOMN8R3.14 won't have received your ping. They are processed at the time the ~~~~ is converted into a signature, so changing the name after the fact has no effect. My reference to him in this paragraph should notify him, however. Tarl N. (discuss) 19:57, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting! Thanks for the help. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

text: I'm not referring to the Courier font - the font as I'm seeing it right now is not Courier, but a font styled more like a jersey that is unevenly spaced. DNOMN8R3.14 (talk) 23:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The number font is different 

message: Cam Newton QB Lyioi (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 08:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2020