Talk:X-Men: The Last Stand/Archive 1

message: Hey, I got to watch a preview screening of the movie in Sydney as a benefit for the Bone Marrow Donors institute (Hugh Jackman's mother's charity) - For verification of this screening see www.bmdi.org.au. I can give a scene by scene breakdown of the film as a spoiler, but what are the copyright implications for doing so? 
::Unfortunately, no one can verify if you did see the movie until it actually comes out. So, we can't actually put a scene by scene breakdown in the article till after the movie has been released officially, because then there will be enough people to verify the claims. But, once the movie has been released, you may change the "PLOT" section, by adding a bit more detail. It doesn't need to be a play by play of the entire movie, but you can certainly add information that clarifies what is going on. Bignole 03:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not doubting that you saw a private screening of the movie, just that information needs to be able to be verified when it is placed in an article on wikipedia, and it is rather hard to verify the authenticity of what you saw when it was limited access. That is why I said it would be better to make the change when the movie is finally released this Friday, because then there would be plenty of oppurtunity to verify said information. Bignole 03:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: spoilers

message: where do the spoilers end? it does not sayJohnRussell 16:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: spoilers?

message: Since the name of the movie has yet to be announced, and IMDB is listing the movie as X-Men 3 should Wikipedia follow that, or keep the name X3?
=== X-Men 3 ===
#Seeing as IMDB is listing it as X-Men 3, I think we should as well. Havok 20:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name vote 

message: #Seeing as IMDB is listing it as X-Men 3, I think we should as well. Havok 20:16, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-Men 3 

message: Ashley Hartman has often been added as playing Emma Frost. Unfortunately, that role has not been confirmed by the studio and has only been fan speculation. Until it is publicly released that Hartman is playing that role, Wikipedia should not list her as playing the White Queen. All that has been reported is that she has been at the movie's set. Olessi 17:18, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed it at Ashley Hartman. Olessi 18:14, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Hartman as the White Queen is still conjecture. Olessi 04:23, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Is there a source for that? Olessi 18:52, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashley Hartman as the White Queen 

message: In the cast list, it says that Rogue's name is Marie D'Ancanto. Where is this from?--Dylankidwell 21:59, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is listed at Rogue_(comics)#Rogue's name. Since "Marie D'Ancanto" is never directly stated in the film (only inferred), it arguably could be removed from the list. Olessi 22:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

text: This name was given in the first X-Men film.  If I remember correctly, it's when Wolverine and her are driving in the truck up in Canada.
*Rogue say "Marie" not Marie D'Ancanto in that movie.--Dylankidwell 07:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rogue's Name

message: Ok, sorry to start another discussion but what X-Men are "supposably" in the movie? Also as I look up X-Men characters i see that lots of them are "expected" to be in this film. Should we start a list of expected X-Men in the movie as well?--Dylankidwell 04:03, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK, all of the characters currently listed in the Cast section are confirmed. Ken Leung and Ashley Hartman are listed because they have roles in the film, although their actual characters are as yet unknown. I think it would be better to keep fan conjecture (for instance assuming that Vincent Murdocco is playing Omega Red) to a minimum. Olessi 04:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Being "confirmed" at IMDB is not definite, as IMDB is updated by average contributors. Olessi 17:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dazzler and other X-Men in the movie or not?

message: Cox - its arclight not stacy x..... I was the first to know this I was the first to announce this and now I want you to stop saying its stacy-x. stacy x =mauraders callisto=morlocks magneto= bring them togetherCox - its arclight not stacy x..... I was the first to know this I was the first to announce this and now I want you to stop saying its stacy-x. stacy x =mauraders callisto=morlocks magneto= bring them together
Omahyra Mota hasn't been officialy cast as Stacy X. Therefore should she really be in this article at all?
:I'm not aware of any "official" announcements from Fox, but these links (, , contains nudity), as well as her appearance in the trailer indicate she is in the film. Olessi 05:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Although Mota is in the movie, her playing Stacy X is now being questioned. This thread at SuperHeroHype suggests that Mota is playing Arclight. As her character is thus unconfirmed, I have moved her to the other unknown roles. Olessi 19:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Arclight was a member of the Marauders. Olessi 17:50, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Is it confirmed that Mota is playing Arclight?  If it is just speculation, it should be removed from the article. --DDG 19:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Omahyra Mota

message: on IMDB, it says that Mercedes is playing M. Look here --Dylankidwell 09:29, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: IMDB is edited by average contributors, just like Wikipedia. It is not edited by movie industry executives. IMDB says that Vince Murdocco is playing Omega Red as well, which is untrue. Olessi 17:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: SuperHeroHype (SHH) recently had this thread about Mei Melancon playing Psylocke. Normally I wouldn't trust such info, but Hollywood Reporter also mentioned it. Ashley Hartman is NOT playing the White Queen. The name of Ken Leung's character has NOT been revealed yet (suggestions have been Sunfire, Silver Samurai, Kid Omega, Scrambler, Avalanche, among others). Bill Duke's character has NOT been officially revealed yet, although fans have suggested it is Bolivar Trask based on this. It is entirely possible that this information could/will change in the future, but at this point in time the roles are unknown. I posted a message for the anonymous user who added the roles asking for sources. Olessi 00:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mercedes Scelba-Shorte as M

message: Magneto has a new cronie named Spectre who has a ghost like mutation and is similar to Ebon in Static Shock.
He can teleport,turn into gas and has mild psychic powers and is immune to physical atacks.
Polaris is also 1 of the brotherhood and Sunfire is a new X man.
Magneto has built the savage land and is preparing for attack ,
*Huh? You lost me? Where did you get this info?--Dylankidwell 19:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spectre 

message: Director is saying that gambit will not appear as he is similar to cyclops in power and similar to logan in personality...```
*Okay...?--Dylankidwell 07:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see how Gambit is similar to Logan in personality.  Logan takes things seriously but is more laid back than Gambit.  But as for being similar to Cyclops in powers, well...no.  Cyclops needs special glasses and a pair of visors to curb his uncontrollable blasts from his eyes.  Gambit can much more easily control his powers.  Cyclops shoots destructive blasts from his eyes as versus to Gambit who throws explosive playing cards, can turn everything he touches and charges up into a walking bomb, and if I'm not mistaken has a large metal staff that he uses for melee fighting and deflecting bullets.  Plus Cyclops is more about ground-based offense that doesn't require huge amounts of movement while Gambit is a lot of about the utilization of agility and aerial acrobatics.  Sure, both characters deal in destructive powers, but Cyclops is more in the ways of blasting through something or cutting it in half, depending on what it is, while Gambit will just blow it the hell up.  There's a big difference, so I don't think that the director has good excuse there. Vgamer101 16:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gambit 

message: As an ANTM Superfan, I know for sure that Mercedes is NOT in the movie. She told fans on her online blog. -Lil_Flip246
*Do you have the address to this blog?--Dylankidwell 19:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mercedes 

message: I prefer to be kept anonymous but i work on the set of x men 3. I am not supposed to tell anyone but i will.
Bill Duke is acting as either Maggot/ Jesse Aronson/Detonator although Jesse is most likely . Ashley and ken are Polaris and Sunfire.
Another African American will play the part of Spectre who is a villain with a ghost like mutation and can teleport,become intangible and is immune to physical attacks.
He is copied from Ebon in Static Shock.
It is not for certain if he is to appear.
The theme is a copy of ultimate x men. Remember the scene in x men 2 where mystique looks on the computer for magnetos file and next to it, if you pause and see carefully,you can see Wanda,Quicksilver,Kane,Wolfsbane,Polaris and Magma's names.
Wanda will be played by elisabeth rohm and quicksilver i'm not sure.
Magneto has built the savage land,complete with dinosaurs as defense and has his own mutant army,he wants to take over the sentinel projec. so that he has his own private army and demand that mutants be allowed their own country in antarctica.
He needs Jesse Aronson to control the sentinels.
:I anonymously don't believe you.
Is that really true? Unless you give us proof from the trailers. Then we'll believe you. -Lil_Flip246. And I don't remember Dinosaurs.
I rememeber in the trailer a foresty backgroud and is the savage land?--Dylankidwell 23:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I doubt it I really think that is fake, That's not going to happen.--Hotwiki 12:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anon 

message: *Ricky Hoggard will play avalanche
*Humans are working for a cure for the mutant gene but magneto,is enraged and wants War so that mutants can live in their own nation:savage land.
He believes that the cure is to purge those without a mutant gene so his kind can thrive.
*Omega red is Magneto's right-hand man.Multiple is his main firepower.
*Vanisher,Polaris,Exodus,Callisto,Amphibius,Skids and Mesmero are in the brotherhood
*3 characters die during the battle
*Yes,the savage land will be shown 
*Magneto has a HUGE army
*He has the morlocks
*He wants the plans for the Sentinel Prototypes 
*Bill Dukes is acting as Jesse Aronson,1 of magneto's cronies,another spy working for the government.
*Maggott ,Sauron and Exodus(stephen Dorff) have fight sequences but minor roles in the film.
*BAya sumikao andkate nauta will also be acting.
*Gambit will appear in the fourth movie.
Setworker 14:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the tip about Ricky Hoggard. Luckily, SHH knows all about how unreliable his information is. Olessi 16:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

text: SHH, as I mentioned above, is SuperHeroHype, one of the external links in the article. A poster there named Ricky Hoggard (RickyH) claimed to be playing the character of Avalanche and that he had received a copy of the script. He posted various information about the movie (roles, cameos, story) that ultimately turned out to be mere lies. As such, any information deriving from Ricky Hoggard is not reliable. Olessi 17:47, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that the guy worked on the set, the list seems fake--Hotwiki 06:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost certainly he is a fake. NYC press screening on Monday, May 22, refutes virtually all of his claims. And anyone on the set would have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement; that someone broke that, via a traceable IP address, is highly doubtful. -- Tenebrae 15:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I work on the set 

message: If you see a photo of the brotherhood,on the right,you can see a tall mutant,this is Riccky Hoggard-Avalanche.
Omega Red is Magneto's general.
Multiple is also in the brotherhood (Previous unsigned comment by Batzarro)
I say again, Okay...?--Dylankidwell 09:57, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avalanche 

message: On the Apocalypse article, it says based on a hidden trailer, apocalypse will be in X-Men 3. Is there a hidden trailer?--Dylankidwell 22:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was added by an anonymous user who did not provide a source; I will remove the reference. Supposedly a new trailer for the movie will be shown during the Super Bowl. Olessi 23:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Apocalypse

message: are you sure nightcrawler isn't in this movie.  because if he isnt that stinks!
:Alan Cumming had other projects to work on during the filming of X-Men 3, and disliked the elaborate make-up process involved with becoming Nightcrawler. Olessi 20:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Signing a two-film contract just means they have to do two films for that company. It doesn't mean the two films have to be related to one another. JQF 01:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nightcrawler 

message: Based on rumours,the trailer and Whats out,this is for sure:
*Magneto has amassed a HUGE brotherhood
*He frees Juggernaught from his facility(this is in the trailer).
*Magneto has enlisted the morlocks(he has callisto).
*He wants to purge humans from he gene pool(We are the cure)
*According to yahoo movies Omega REd and Multiple are in the brotherhood.
*Angel is being treated somewhere and he escpes (In the trailer).
*MAgneto s base is the savage land.(There is so much jungle but filming location is Canada)
*JEan's phoenix powers are unleashed(2ndary mutation)
*Emma Frost is coming
*Brett Ratner is dating Serena Williams so she will make a cameo
*President and Senator Kelly(As mystique) will reappear.
*Bill Duke acts as the President's secretary /Defence minister or something like that.He has to combat the mutant menace in a diplomatic way.(I m not sure of this).
*There is a Black mutant in the brotherhood.He could be Jesse aronson/Detonator/Spectre(rumour?) but Maggott is most likely.
*In the trailer it looks like 3 brotherhood members(pyro and 2 others) do a huge jump in a warzone.
*Magneto and the X men MAY have a friendly meeting(This is in a production photo of Magneto walking with storm,logan and the Prof.)
*There is a huge guy in the brotherhood who looks deadly(maybe Exodus)
*There is a Sabretooth like guy on the far left(possibly Wildchild).
*Baya Sumikao and Kate Nauta went for auditions.
*Gambit may appear in the fourth movie.-Brett Ratner said he is considering.Hes a hard guy,
Hes got powers similar to Cyclops and Wolverine's personality.He and Rogue make a better couple anyway 
*http://www.efavata.com/CBM/Xmen3.htm-Site with many rumours 
Batzarro 08:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course there's a big group of brotherbood but half of that is unconfirmed and maybe 75% of that list are false. The actors who played Senator Kelly and the President on X2 is not coming back. I don't think spectre, Wildchild, Exodus will be in the movie even it's the 10th X-Men movie. Emma/Morlocks are still unconfirmed--Hotwiki 09:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I presume the woman is Moira MacTaggart and the girl is Kitty Pryde. Olessi 22:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What s for sure 

message: At this site  from inverted stripes, it shows what could be a Sentinel. So is it ok to asume Sentinel's are in X-Men 3?--Dil 22:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is no longer there. As the movie is still months away from being released, I would not assume anything. Whenever anything new is added, I always check SHH to see how the rest of the fan community interprets information. Olessi 22:56, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Until FOX, Ratner, or cast members start talking about Sentinels, I think it better to avoid fan conjecture and only include publicly released information. Olessi 05:35, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Regardless of which characters people think are in the movie, they should not be listed as part of the cast until there is a way to verify the information. Do you have a source that Ashley Hartman is playing Emma Frost, when some reports say Hartman is not even appearing at all? Olessi 06:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Yahoo has Vince Murdocco listed as Omega Red. Vince Murdocco was signed to play one of the miscellaneous mutants involved with Magneto. Because Murdocco's costume had an Omega symbol on it (like many of the other mutants with Magneto), he told his agent he was an Omega Mutant. Fans heard about this and automatically assumed it was Omega Red, when, in fact, his character in the film was cut and he is merely doing stunt work. So, Yahoo is not reliable. Jones (Connor Widdows) is one of the young students of Xavier's and probably should be added to the cast list. The only time I have heard of Spectre is on this Talk Page and no sources were provided for the information. Take from that what you will. Olessi 07:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Regarding Jones, the character probably will be in a few scenes as he was in X2, but there is no proof he is definitely in the film. As such, he really shouldn't be added yet. Yahoo seems based on IMDB's cast list, which is quite inaccurate (Emma Frost, Omega Red, M, "Kathryn" Pryde, "Bolvier" Trask). I will find the relevant SHH thread regarding Trask. Olessi 07:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Here is the Trask thread at SHH. Doug Lennox, the actor who played the bartender in the first movie, was on set for X-Men 3. The cast list on his website lists Bill Duke as Trask. FYI, IMDB is based on fan submissions (not press releases), and everything there should not be taken at face value. Olessi 08:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It's just that the other sites are wrong and haven't been corrected yet. Just because they have outdated information does not mean that WP should present outdated information as well. I would rather WP freely state that it does not know who her character is instead of presenting a character which is false. Olessi 00:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sentinels

message: If you are so sure of Teask coming,y wont sentinels come?
Wikipedia should delete trasks name.
there is no proof
220.247.253.229 05:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am fine with removing Trask until (if) we hear more from Fox or Marvel. Olessi 06:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just those un-registered users who keep putting back Trask on the list, it's annoying.--Hotwiki 08:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well don't do it again.--Hotwiki 13:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: But there's no confirmation also--Hotwiki 02:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: huh?--Hotwiki 10:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sentinels 

message: Psylocke, Storm, etc...http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=3786 Lil Flip246 21:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for the heads up, I wish Psylocke's hair was full violet--Hotwiki 07:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new pics!!!! 

message: There is a rumour on wikipedia that Anthony Ray Parker is playing Bishop
Batzarro 18:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bishop 

message: Although the official novelization (and some official website mirrors) have "The Last Stand" moniker attached to it, the film should remain at X-Men 3 for the moment.  The Last Stand will likely be a sub-title comme X-Men United for the previous film, which was officially titled X2.  Let's try not to jump the gun, expecially when most of the references listed (SuperHeroHype, XMenFilms, IMDB.com, etc.) are still referring to the film as X-Men 3 or X3. 
Even the source provided at  only states that FOX is mulling over the title, but they haven't finalized its usage and whether its part of the film's official name or if it's just a promotional tag.
--Madchester 02:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it should remain X-Men 3--Hotwiki 11:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone turn it back to X-Men 3, because I think "X-Men: The Last Stand " is just a sub-title and X-Men 3 is really the main title of the movie.--Hotwiki 14:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You think it is? Wait until the film is released, then you'll know if it is. In the meantime, no pointless moves please. - LeonWhite 06:15, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie title and page move

message: Brett Ratner looks more like Trask than Bill Duke.
Does anyone agree with me?
Pojojo 17:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is not named Bolivar Trask in the official screen credits, and isn't called "Bolivar" in dialog. He's an Administration official, and not a private scientist involved with Sentinels (which are only glimpsed at in a Danger Room simulator in any event). --Tenebrae 18:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trask 

message: i really want white queen to be cast in the movie, she's such a great character and i think that Britney Spears or Scarlett Johansonn would be perfect for the role
:That idea is upsettingly stupid, and completely irrelevant.
Britney Spears would not be a good choice for her. Ashley Hartman is a much better White Queen. She has the "look" to be Emma.--Dil 00:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ok, this is not a forum--Hotwiki 13:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  White Queen In The Film 

message: OMG! THAT BLOWED MY MIND! So, it seems that Ken Leung, is play an Spyke like charater?--Dil 02:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is not a forum--hottie 14:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NEW TRAILER!

message: Do we really need all those links? The Official site has the teaser trailer as well as the official trailer available, with HD Trailers soon to follow. Bignole 16:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, no--hottie 15:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that an agreement that the majority should be removed. There are links inside the page, there are a list is links on the external links section. The official movie site should suffice. Bignole 17:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, the official site have the two trailers, no need to put links just to watch the trailer--hottie 15:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trailer Links 

message: I understand why they might bring White Queen into the story line, she would be a potential defense agianst Jean Grey, but why Quill, thay would mean, they would be introducing characters from 
Academy X. I dont even see why he would fit into the story plot. Plus he is going to be fighting in the war...he's one of Xaviers Students, just like Archie and Leech! What do you think?
:This is not a discussion forum about the film. Please use the external links listed at the end of the article to discuss the storyline and characters of the film. Olessi 18:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quill...and White Queen? 

message: There is a remaking of the X-Jet! And a picture as been released!. www.ign.com check it yourself
:>x<ino 18:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  X-Jet 

message: I think the short film clip released on the YouTube site should be mentioned under the "Trailers..." section.  Unfortunately, it seems to have pretty weak dialogue and action.  Maybe it's a deleted scene.
209.66.200.45 21:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: YouTube Clip

message: Ok, I think we need to set a cut-off limit for the reviews, so that we don't get 20 examples and links to reviews for the film. Just a suggestion. Bignole 11:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. -- Tenebrae 18:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that we have more negative reviews for this movie posted, but if you go to movies.com you will see that there are quite a bit of positive reviews, and overall it scored high. I think we need to be a little more objective in this critic response section. Bignole 01:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dunno — they seem lukewarm to positive to me; the 2.5-out-of-4 stars USA Today gave it means better than average, for instance. It'll all balance out, if it hasn't already.  BTW, I seconded your note on User talk:Dr. R.K.Z's page. His "nyah nyah" behavior is uncalled for among civilized editors. -- Tenebrae 01:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: What I'm saying is that the section seems to be spun in a more negative way, to me. There are more positive reviews out there, and it seems the section isn't representing those fairly. Bignole 04:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Easily rectified. Most of the U.S. reviews should be out today. Just surf through the big papers -- Chicago Sun-Times (Ebert), LA Times, Wash Post, NY Newsday/Times/Daily News (avoid the Post -- it's owned by the same company that owns 20th Cent., Fox), etc. -- Tenebrae 18:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: Prof. X, an American in the comics, has an New England patrician accent in the film -- not British. See New York Newsday article at , which specifically notes X's American accent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tenebrae (talk • contribs)  Oops. Sorry. I always sign; just was rushing out. -- Tenebrae 18:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great... but it still doesn't matter to the article. If you want to mention the differing accents elsewhere in the article, fine, but there's no reason to randomly mention it in the section about the actors who have joined the franchise in this film. I'm reverting your edit. EVula 18:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, and I've done the same thing about signing posts. Don't sweat it. :) EVula 18:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a prob — you made a good point and I left your edit as you had it. Cheers! -- Tenebrae 01:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but in this film Patrick Stewart has exactly the same accent he usually has - cultured English with a hint of American from too much time filming Star Trek. He certainly doesn't sound American. -- Necrothesp 00:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Accent

message: All right, in X3, the Phoenix is not a powerful cosmic force, but rather a secret personality hidden in Jean's mind. Leader Vladimir — Preceding undated comment added 03:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phoenix 

message: What scene does she appear in beside the two mentioned in the plot? Could I ask User:DropDeadGorgias to verify before making the change. "Several" appears to be inexact and misleading. Thanks. --Tenebrae 15:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Moira MacTaggert

message: How exactly is there a conflict? Here's the bit as it originally was.
* Filmmakers considered utilizing the Beast character since the first X-Men movie, but reportedly due to budget constraints he ultimately was not used.  However, in X2 someone identified as Hank McCoy does appear on a television screen in a cameo role.  Unfortunately, this creates a continuity problem, as it is extablished in X3 that Beast studied with Prof. Xavier and was a former member of the X-Men.
I can't think of any reason why their would be a conflict. Any ideas? JQF 03:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beast continuity problem 

message: Does anyone else think Cyclops is really dead considering they never showed his death scene. Empty2005 03:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They probably left it open in case of a sequel, but for now I'd just assume he's dead. JQF 05:28, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyclops? 

message: I was under the impression that, in the last pre-credits scene, where Magneto points at the chess piece, the piece does move forward slightly. I could be wrong, but I swear I saw it move. If someone knows it didn't move they can change the summary. Everyone I asked when I left the theatre said "Yes, idiot, the piece moved at the end."
:Nope.  You saw that chess piece move!  No wussy mutant anti-gen shots are going to strip Magneto of his powers.  I mean, come on.  He's supposed to be, if I'm not mistaken, a class 5 mutant (or whatever the movie said) and he completely lifted that suspension bridge right off of its' supports for gods' sake!  I don't think that a mutant strong enough to do that can be sustained by the simple anti-gens.  The more powerful mutants would probably be more immune to them. Vgamer101 17:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IIRC, Magneto is not a Class 5 Mutant (whatever that is - I can't remember it from the comics), As they explicitly state in the film that Phoenix is the only Class 5 in the world, and as we know (from that church meeting with all the mutants) that Magneto is above a class 3, he must be Class 4. Assuming the classes are integer based. Help plz 17:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did they say Phoenix was the only Class 5 in the world?  I thought they just said she was a Class 5, and more powerful than Magneto... which wouldn't necessarily mean Magneto's a Class 4, he could be a Class 5.1 and Phoenix is a Class 5.4.... Dr Archeville 23:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, it moved. My thoughts: the cure wasn't quite as "permanent" as the scientists thought. If there is a fourth film, it'll probably deal with several mutants powering back up; Rogue, for one, will all of a sudden start draining again, and we'll see Mystique follow someone other than Magneto (considering the fact that he left her for dead); maybe she'll become a mole for the X-Men (since Xavier is most definitely coming back). EVula 17:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mutant cure is an antigen, not a serum. It's referred to as an "antibody", which means that all it does is target the DNA/protein signatures in the body's cells. I find it very difficult to believe that every single cell can be stripped of the X-gene. My guess is that the antigen isn't going to work at all, and that every mutant is going to repower. BTW, I don't recall there ever being a mutant classification in the comics, so my thinking is they created it for this movie in order to find an alternate explanation for Phoenix's existence (I guess they thought an alien entity would be a bit on the eerie side). The system is much like a hurricane classification (Category 5 being the strongest and rarest). 71.245.168.120 19:51, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks for the correction on the classification of Magneto.  That part kind of escaped me.  My bad!  I thought that they said Class 4, but I wasn't entirely sure.  As for the mutant cure thing, I know that's it's a anti-gen and .  I was just using the word "immunity" in regards to the level of strength of their mutant genes possibly having an effect on how strongly the anti-gens immediately affect them.  I mean, did you see how quickly and strongly Mystique reacted to the anti-gen, of which she was only shot with one? This is as versus to Magnetos' reaction to it which was not as strong (the chess piece scene) and he was nailed with four of those suckers!  I may be wrong about this because because of what bodily reactions of theirs the movies shown.  Mystique could have very well gained back here powers by the end of the movie, but it just didn't show it.  You know, a sort of an off the camera event happening.  But I agree here that this isn't to say that they lost their powers permanently.  That's a given.  Keyword in the movie, was that it "suppresses", or hides, the mutant gene and doesn't eradicate it completely so the re-powering thing is entirely possible. Vgamer101 22:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Especially if more powerful Mutants possess more of the "Mutant antibody" than weaker Mutants (the same way more powerful Jedi possess more Midichlorians than weaker Jedi).  Untouched "Mutant antibody" may well replicate in time and restore the Mutant to full power... or not, and thus Magneto's left as a Class 1 paperclip-pusher. Dr Archeville 23:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So you're saying that it's a bit of a gamble whether or not the mutants regain their powers?  I guess that makes sense. Vgamer101 00:24, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dr Archeville: IIRC she said something like "I just detected a Class 5, Its the only one I've felt" or something, I will watch the film again on Tuesday (Cheap days) and will report back, I am currently arguing against the the trivia section in the Magneto article, as I don't believe he is class 5. I will report back on my findings, and will record that quote and pass it on as proof. I am prepared to be wrong, but IIRC, even if Phoenix is not the only Class 5 that does not imply that Magneto is, although, given his power (In the comics) he most likely is! Help plz 14:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magneto's depowering 

message: "Gambit may appear in the fourth movie [...]"  Well shit, this goes without saying now doesn't it?  Not only have many X-fans complained about the lack of film appearance of the character Gambit, but a fourth movie would help tie all the loose ends of the third.  I mean you have the deaths of both Professor X and Cyclops at the hands of Jean-Grey/Phoenix, the death of Jean-Grey/Phoenix herself at the hands of Wolverine who loved her, Mystique losing her powers, Magneto somehow retaining his, as well as the introduction or re-introduction of characters dead, missing, or just not appearing in the past three.  There are way too many questions that need to be answered for it to end at a third film.  As for what the fourth movie could be about.  Well, look at what they have now - The first film dealt with the plotline of Magneto trying to capture Rogue to put in his mutation machine so he could turn the world's leaders, who were at a UN meeting, into mutants themselves in order to make the world more like mutant-kind and be sensitive towards mutant needs.  Acceptance through means of force.  The second film had Professor X captured by Stryker and manipulated by his son into locating other mutants through Cerebro so Stryker could launch a full-blown genocidal assault on all mutants to finish them off, which caused the X-Men and the Mutant Brotherhood to team up.  The third film dealt with the mutants trying to stop the mutant anti-gen from being used to change them to a standard of what normal people think they should.  So let's look at this, we got a mutation machine, anti-mutant genocide by military style force, and an attempt to de-power all the mutants so they don't pose any kind of threat.  They touched upon a lot of different things.  But they haven't yet come upon anti-mutant efforts with the use of the giant Sentinel robots nor have they done the inevitable movie adaptation of all the world's mutants fighting against Apocalypse.  There is no doubt in my mind that both of those would make into the next films. Vgamer101 18:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Possibility for a fourth film?

message: Fox films has officially announced that X Men Film will have the 4th series
http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/49/4449/summary.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eduemoni (talk • contribs) 
An unreliable source. Go to X-Men film series for a proper lowdown. Alientraveller 20:52, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can someone introduce the forthcooming next episode section in this article? 

message: I've tried changing it once already but my changes seem to have been deleted since yesterday. 
Basically the character listed as Anole on the page is in the main credits as Lizard Man, played by stuntman Lloyd Adams.
Also on http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0376994/fullcredits the following cameos are listed:
*David Colin Smith ...  Omega Mutie  -  listed here as Wraith
*Julian Richings ... Mutant Theatre Organiser - looks similar to pre-Horseman Caliban
*Zoltan Buday ...  Mutant Cure - the Rhino-like mutant from the deleted scene.
*Mark Helfrich ...  Ash Man - the charcoal skined mutant from the camp scene and the animatic
*Bryce Hodgson ...  Artie - Worth a mention due to his role in X2
*Connor Widdows ... Jones - The TV blinking kid from X2
*Luke Pohl ... Flea - returning cameo from X2
*Ryan King ...  X-Student - listed here as Hellion
*Olivia Williams ...  Dr. Moira MacTaggart 
*Alexandra Zhang ...  Student - the student who writes telepathically in class, maybe based on Sketch
It just seems to me that if the listing for Quill is kept as Kid Omega based on the credits then these entries should be the same or omitted. ---Garhdo
:Re: Bishop, Gambit, etc. as cameo characters: Unless we can provide an actor's name (either credited or through some cite, like a magazine or newspaper article) or a screengrab, there's no confirmation that someone whom you think might be Bishop, say, really is Bishop. Basically, that means just adhering to Wikipedia's prime rule: "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable". --Tenebrae 06:15, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cameo cast 

message: How much "primacy" does a DVD commentary have?  Because the creators, including the director, also aknowledge the credits are incorrect on the commentary.  FYI.Rglong 16:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Direct quotes from primary sources are extremely important. How much knowledge or input they had must be considered. In any event, given that the transcript is not online, I would insert the verbatim quote from the person, possibly in a footnote, citing the disc and the time-stamp, which is easily viewable on any DVD player's readout. This would allow other editors to view the exact words, and assess the speaker for knowledge and credibility. Really, this is what any journalist or author or would do, and certainly print encyclopedias and textbooks adhere to the same level of vetting, so we should as well. --Tenebrae 16:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL Yeah I'm sure all the wikipedia articles about comic book movies are held to that standard.  Ha ha!  Not that you're wrong, I just think it's funny, seeing as how the corporate media doesn't come close to meeting those standards with really important issues, let alone movie trivia.  But since I'm an art grad and pretty much sit around painting all day, I'll pop in the DVD in the background and try to listen for it.  I'm fairly certain the director, Bret Ratner, is the one who says it.  Doesn't get more primary than that, or at least I hope the director's importance would outweigh whatever obscure person is in charge of writing up the credits.Rglong 00:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: P.S.

message: DVD Scene 5, The Rally: 
Magneto goes to the community action meeting and charges up the crowd.  Immediately afterward he and Pyro are confronted by Callisto and Quill.  Exactly when Callisto says "If you're so proud of being a mutant, where's your mark", Brett Ratner on the commentary track says:
RATNER: "This is Ken Leung who's been in a bunch of my movies who, you know, he said 'Brett I got nothing to do.'  I said 'don't worry we'll create a character for you,' and Mark came up with the idea of this character - is it Spike?"
PENN or HINBERG (hard to tell their voices apart): "Yeah that's my favorite line" (referring to what's happening on screen, not to Ratner).
PoH (the other writer answering Ratner): "No it's Quill".
R: "Quill, I'm sorry, it's Quill.  And Mark came up with this idea to have quills coming out of his face like a porcupine."
My Playstation doesn't have an exact time marker, and neither does the program I use to play DVDs on my computer.  But anyone who owns the DVD should be able to go straight to scene 5 and find this in two and a half seconds.
And for the love of christ on a cracker, if the movie's own director and his two head writers don't trump the random technician or whoever that's in charge of entering the little names into the credits scroll, then there is no reason or justice in the universe.Rglong 01:37, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The quoted text doesn't support the assertions that there were errors made. An alternate interpretation could be 'they refer to him as Spike, thought of him as Spike, but named and credited as Quill due to conflicts in licensing, as Spike was introduced for the cartoon and not a pre-existing character. As such, he might be licensed through the production company for the cartoon, and not directly through Marvel.' Further, that they use Kid Omega may also be some indication of further lawsuits/legal bars to the use of Quill. ThuranX 01:47, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he doesn't seriously suggest it was ever "Spike", he misspeaks when he says Spike and is quickly corrected by his HEAD WRITERS.  Then he quickly apologizes, and it's obvious he remembers exactly what it is the second they correct him.  Why don't you listen to the commentary first and then make a judgment.  And it's obviously an error because Zak Penn said it was an error, I don't care that he said it on a forum, he said it and he's the co-writer of the freaking movie!  If people are this willing to obsess over the letter of the law in an article about a sci-fi movie, and be willfully blind to very obvious and readily available evidence, then imagine what other problems wikipedia has with articles that are actually about important issues!!Rglong 02:00, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, y'know, no WP:OR on interpretations of his statements, and so on. Stop promoting 'your version' as the 'right version'. ThuranX 02:06, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

text: First off, cool down. This is a character name, in a movie, on an internet website. Getting pissed does no one any good. This is just Wikipedia. Take it seriously, but not so seriously you blow a gasket doing so. It's really simple. You simply do not have a citation for the above. In fact, what you are doing above fits quite well with WP:SYNTH. read up on it, and see how closely it matches. Calling for citation in the face of OR or SYNTH is what we do when we take this project seriously. I keep asking you to find one. Surely if it's that well known, you can find one of those three, Penn, Hinberg, or Ratner, saying this where we can make a citation. ThuranX 02:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm, well I would love to cool down, but something about being called a liar and a vandal when I'm trying to improve the accuracy of the article really yanks my chain.Rglong 02:38, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DVD Commentary: director Brett Ratner, writers Zak Penn and Simon Hinberg

message: I'm pretty sure the "Juggernaut bitch" scene was added after the creators saw the meme online.  Should it be mentioned here? .Absolution. 20:26, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not without citation. ThuranX 01:27, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Brett Ratner mentioned it on the DVD commentary, if that helps.  Paul730 09:31, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can give us a citation for that, it would help, but even so I'm not sure it's a particularly notable matter. It's what, one line in the film? It doesn't have the level of formality that happened with Transformers, so I'm not sure it's particularly worth it. but I'm open to counter-arguments. ThuranX 21:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's all that notable either, I wouldn't include it.  But I'm sure it's mentioned on the commentary, if anyone does think it's relevant.  Paul730 00:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mentioning of the meme? 

message: "Senior actors Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen had their faces completely "de-aged" by complex keyframing, in which no CGI elements were used."
I think I've asked this before but nobody had the answer: what does it mean that "no CGI elements were used"?  They were deaged using CGI, weren't they?Rglong 02:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, no answer, I'm taking that out because I don't think it makes sense.  They use CGI to pull of the effect.Rglong 01:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I believe they meant is no 3D computer modeling was used. Computers were used to "paint" the actors faces, cell by cell, to make them look younger (kinda like the technique used to stylize 300). Whether this is classified as CGI or not is up for debate. Padillah (talk) 14:30, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What the heck does this sentence mean? 

message: Can we get rid of this cast list please?  It seems to attract unsourced speculation of fans assuming that, because that mutant can teleport, he must be Vanisher, etc.  Also, what encyclopedic purpose does it serve?  We're not IMDb, we don't need to have a list of credits.  Any real casting information (like Alan Cumming leaving because of costume issues) can be included without the list, especially a list of extras who bear some similarity to a character from the comics.  Paul730 00:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree to a point. Listing central characters like Hugh Jackman and Famke Janson is not a bad idea and does add to the article. But to list people that are not in the movie because they were in a cut scene that is on the DVD is over the top. We are not trying to replace IMDB which has much more comprehensive cast listings than we have any right to. Padillah (talk) 14:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast list

message: It says that Callisto is the leader of them. Now, are Callisto, Psylocke, Quill / Kid Omega, and Arclight the only ones? But it says it's an "underground network that stretches across the nation." What does that mean? C Teng [talk] 17:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is all non-notable and irrelevant to the article. In point of fact it's irrelevant to the movie as well, which reinforces the fact that it's irrelevant to the article. Padillah (talk) 14:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well... I posted it a year ago. —C Teng(talk) 23:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omegas 

message: According to the X-Men: The Last Stand website, Callisto's group is called the "Omega Muties" (see References section). Where did "Omegas" come from, here? —C Teng(talk) 23:16, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omegas/Muties 

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Resources to use. Wildroot (talk) 08:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for use 

message: The section about the sequel needs to be rewritten, but Hotwiki keeps reverting me. I tried his talk page and he ignored my message. Enigmamsg 19:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I only reverted you once, the thing is when you rewrote the section, you didn't mention that X-Men: Days of Future Past was also a sequel to X-Men: The Last Stand.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 00:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, you reverted me twice.   Restoring the old version without clarifying the meaning. Enigmamsg 04:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequel 

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So the movie X-Men Last Stand was released on Japan September 09, 2006 according to IMDB Yazan Alhajyousef (talk) 09:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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