Talk:Sun Yat-sen

message: Perhaps add in under "Monuments" reference to the Shanghai former home of Dr Sun Yat Sen and his wife Soong Ching Ling?  A quick reference is: http://www.travelchinaguide.com/attraction/shanghai/residence-sun-yat-sen.htm
Denise203.219.65.50 (talk) 05:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shanghai Former Home of Dr Sun Yat Sen 

message: not currently mentioned in the article nor is his shelling of Sun's home while Sun and his family were still inside. I know the article is already quite long but seems like it merits inclusion. Some people just have interesting lives. — LlywelynII 10:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
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message: The title Dr. is mis-attributed. He did not hold a Doctor degree nor a physician licence. 113.208.112.25 (talk) 11:57, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but he was a graduate of Hong Kong University (well, what became HKU) medical, and according to the British custom of the time, he, like others, was called "Dr."ch (talk) 15:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: His school did not become HKU medical but was absorbed into HKU medical (as a tiny fraction). The school was not entitled to award any degrees. He was not able to get the physician licence in HK, therefore he is not entitled to be called Dr. in any meaningful way. 113.208.112.25 (talk) 04:31, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of the college's legitimacy, what degree dit it award to him? If he earned an MD, it could be debated either way. If he earned a Bachelor's degree, he wasn't a "Doctor" by any academic definition; only a common mistake exclusive to the English language. (119.18.2.185 (talk) 06:00, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
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message: This section is a bit bare bones and it might be worth while to expand it a little further. Maybe including how he raised money for his revolutionary party or how those parties helped him is his release. 
ChristianDelano (talk) 02:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanding the Further exile section?  

message: Hey guys, what romanization system did Sun Yat-sen use to arrive at the spelling 'Yat-sen'? Seems like an obvious and simple question that should be well-known or easily checked, but I can't find the answer. Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:50, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very good question. I took a quick look at the infobox, and it seems most similar to the Yale Romanization of his name in Cantonese. So, my assumption would be that "Sun Yat-sen" is some kind of romanization of his name in Cantonese. Which exact system though, I'm not entirely certain... I'm curious as well. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 19:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sun "Yat-sen": What romanization system? 

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message: Marie-Claire BERGÈRE, Sun Yat-sen. Translated by Janet Lloyd. Stanford, CA: Stanford University Press 1998. Distributed outside North America by Cambridge University Press. 480 pp., with bibliography and index. ISBN: 08047-3170-5  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Talk2dream (talk • contribs) 08:45, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  need to FIX LINK ref 85: Bergère & Lloyd: 273 

message: Couldn't find the date for the city's name change, so wrote "probably shortly after his death in 1925".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenn.mar.oz (talk • contribs) 16:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhongshan (Chung Shan) city name change date 

message: At the end of this section, it states that Sun Yat-sen took refuge in his brother's home in "Kamaole, Kula". As a native of Maui, I can tell you that Kamaole is not in Kula, but in Kihei. The incorrect information looks like it comes from the "Maui No Ka Oi Magazine" link, which also states the incorrect information. The correct location of his brother's ranch is in Keokea, which is in Kula. You can find reference to this fact in this article in The Maui News: Gathering celebrates the Maui ties of a Chinese revolutionary | News, Sports, Jobs - Maui News Thirashima (talk) 21:14, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect info in "The first Guangzhou uprising" section. 

message: Sun Yat-sen's common Chinese name is 孫中山. However, "Sun Yat-sen", his English name, is not the romanization of 孫中山, but the romanization of 孫逸仙. Should 孫中山 be changed to 孫逸仙? Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: "孫中山" is the current Chinese translation in the lead section and infobox. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 20:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

text: I am the one who last tweaked the lede I think, so I'm biased, but I think it's the best presentation, and consistent with providing common names more than worrying about snowballs or technicalities. Remsense留 20:45, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: 孫中山 is not the Chinese equivalent to "Sun Yat-sen" so it wouldn't make sense to put those two together. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 20:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you mean, but I think I would disagree. A purpose of the lead sentence is to provide the common names of the subject (Here is his common name in English, and now here is his common name in Chinese), though I see how there is an implication that one directly derives from the other, since that is usually the case. Would it be acceptable to specifically state the discrepancy in the footnote already attached to the name statement? Remsense留 21:01, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Other Wikipedias, Spanish Wikipedia for instance, make a distinction between Sun Yat-sen (孫逸仙) and Sun Zhongshan (孫中山). I wonder if English Wikipedia could do the same. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 21:09, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If you haven't, take a look at WP:COMMONNAME? Maybe that would help guide this discussion. It doesn't directly mention the names in other languages, but it's perfectly analogous, imo. Remsense留 21:15, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I took a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese). There doesn’t seem to be anything useful to guide this discussion. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 18:52, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, MOS:ZH is useful but arguably not quite fully-formed yet. On this point, I don't think policy would precisely help us, because it is very much an edge case, though an important one. Would you be alright with my proposal above, with the distinction made clear in the footnote? Remsense留 19:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m alright with your proposal. I think it would help clear things up. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 13:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Fancy Refrigerator, I've done so. Remsense留 19:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  孫中山 or 孫逸仙