Talk:FIFA World Cup records and statistics

message: Hi.. I've been reading the article and think that:
Olimpic Goal Misses.. The only olimpic Goal from world Cups isn't included... Thanks
::Re-added. It is a historic feat of great relevance, not a simple trivia. Svartner (talk) 03:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  It misses 

message: Hello everyone there is a lot of disagreement in Pelé's assist count most sources say it's between 8 to 10 now certainly no less than eight, for sources that say nine goals, it also obviously counted Jairzinho's fourth goal against Czechoslovakia in the group stage of the tournament 1970, What confirms this is that the sources say that Pelé scored six goals in this tournament. Watch the goal here on YouTube. Pele passed the ball to Jairzinho, who moved the ball more than twenty meters in a time of more than ten seconds, then dodged three players and hit the ball into the goal, according to the method of this goal, it is not considered a assist. According to FIFA, the World Cup Assists Standards state:
* In the event that the scorer has set the goal for himself (dribbling, individual run), no assist is awarded.
Regarding the sources that say ten goals, I did not find the desired goal during the 1958−1970 tournaments, but it seems that these sources considered that any foul or penalty kick caused by Pelé and then scored as an assist, which is the first goal against Czechoslovakia in 1970 (same match)
So it is appropriate to say that Pelé assisted with eight goals, with noting that there are sources mentioning more than eight. --Mishary94 (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: FIFA 's latest, most upto date article awards Pele 6 assists in 1970.  And we know he scored at least 3 others elsewhere. So he has at least 9. .   There are more sources claiming he had 10 than 8, so if you don't want to put 9, then lets revert back to 10 and be done with it Koppite1 (talk) 01:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  there is already a discussion on this above, please keep this in one place. Spike 'em (talk) 07:19, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

text: why eight? There's no assist by Pelé in the 1958 final. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A3YbP9_Ty8 Pelé had 1 assist in 1958 (doubtful, with a rebound, minute 9 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgurTWWI5I). He has 1 assist against Mexico in 1962. And 5 assists in 1970. I mean, if we count those ridiculous rebounds, let's count for instance this Messi shot as an assist to Higuain... minute 1:12 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9_M-XDSW_Y and if we count Jairzinho goal against the Czechs then this touch by Messi to Julian Alvarez has to count too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vkbimizUYs Lllach (talk) 18:33, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  It is not for us to decide what is an assist, that is for FIFA / other reliable sources to do.Spike 'em (talk) 20:19, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no official account of assists by FIFA for those World Cups. "Reliable sources" according to whom? Who decides reliability? The "reliable source" you quote is this one https://www.sportsadda.com/football/features/most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup where it says Pelé has 8 assists (counting the ridiculous "assist" to Jairzinho) and you put 10! But it's OK, if you want to lie and use your mini-power to supress the evidence as seen on tape, I'm sure there must be some psychological reason. Lllach (talk) 21:13, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RS and WP:NOR should be all that you need. Spike 'em (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  Pele assists two goals in the 1958 tournament, a goal against USSR and a goal against Sweden in the final (watch the first goal for Beazil where Pele touched the ball and changed its direction and thus is considered an assist for Pele) and in the 1962 tournament he assist a goal, and in the 1970 tournament he assist five goals (not including the goal of Jirzinho),  Therefore, it is eight assists. --Mishary94 (talk) 01:30, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure why it was felt necessary to start a conversation here as there is already a debate further above on this page. It doesn't matter what you think, what matters is what the most reliable sources state. And, for the umpteenth time, FIFA latest docs credit Pele with 6 assists in 1970. Opta also seem to award Pele 6 in 1970 How Brazil's 1970 World Cup Win Confirmed Football As The World's Favourite Sport (theanalyst.com) Koppite1 (talk) 10:02, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Let's add WP:NPA to the list of policies you need to read about. Spike 'em (talk) 05:35, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelé Assists