Talk:Mystery Science Theater 3000/Archive 1

message: I (having seen nearly *every* episode from the 10 seasons of MST3k) find that the shows on the Sci-Fi channel were quite a bit better as far as the "riffing" is concerned.  The between-movie skits declined a bit in quality, I'd almost call them gimmicky, but the actual movie portions were done quite a bit better.  Most of my favorite episodes (Overdrawn at the Memory Bank, Future War, Space Mutiny, The Blood Waters of Dr. Z)are from the Sci-Fi channel era.  The only thing that irritates me is every 8-10 season show is of a science-fiction movie.
:While all 10 seasons were good, I think the show lost something during the last two seasons of the show without Trace and Frank around. 
:JesseG July 3, 2005 02:19 (UTC)
The teensploitation movies (like The Sinister Urge and High School Big Shot) are absolute gold; it's a shame that SFC forced them to staticize the format of the show. -- goatasaur 19:06 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)
I don't mean to be picky, but the movies Gotasaur mentioned were on Comedy Central, not Sci Fi. Fireballil 08:14, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that is exactly the point Goatasaur was making:  The teensploitation movies they did on Comedy Central were absolute gold; it's a shame that SFC didn't let them do movies like that (until season 10 when they got to do "Girl In Gold Boots" and "Hamlet", of course.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I really enjoyed the "Danes in Danger!" intrepretation of Hamlet. ☺ (How easy it is in the English language to misread the meaning of some sentences. All the better for the BBI writers.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  General show observations 

message: I took a chance and uploaded this gif-animation. The low quality and briefness makes me wonder if it could be classified as fair use. Fred-Chess 22:13, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animated image captures 

message: From the main page:
:* The Nanites — Self replicating, bio-engineered organisms that work on the ship. They are microscopic creatures that reside in the S.O.L.'s computer systems. The nanites made their first appearance in season 8. In their rare appearances on the show, they usually did no more than make wise cracks at Mike and the bots. However, they had the ability to blow a planet up at will and were responsible for the destruction of Professor Bobo's home planet.
The last part simply isn't true.  The nanites had nothing to do with blowing up the Earth.  Bobo fixed the Holy Bomb for the Holy Bomb guys, with the suggestion of a "pair of locking pliars and spanner" from Mike.  I've fixed this on the main page.  For extra credit, where does the "pair of locking pliars and a spanner" reference come from? oneismany 12:35, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oneismany is correct about Earth's destruction, but since this paragraph is about the Nanites, not the Earth, I've revised the older text to indicate that the Nanite's capability was demonstrated in ep 808 ("The She-Creature") when they destroyed the Observers' planet (at Mike's unwittingly vague request). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:15, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  After reviewing the line about wisecracks, which isn't quite accurate, I revised the paragraph again to include more specifics about their activites, also adding links to the relevant concept of nanotechnology, to their deus ex machina storyline use, and to the unstated but obvious riffing on the flea circus concept (ep 909, "Gorgo"). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:32, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast 

message: Being that Mystery Science Theater is kept alive today almost solely due to tape trading efforts by fans, I'm thinking that perhaps a seperate article about tape trading would be warranted. It could detail the history of episodes being recorded, methods of trading, etc. It is just an idea, wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it. -- Cambot 01:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with your assumption. I think several commercial releases per year of boxed DVD sets, along with (probably modest) sales of memorabilia at BBI's merchandise store, provide a substantial continued buzz about the show. Consider the current Amazon rankings of the MST3K DVDs:
 MST3K DVD Amazon sales rankings (as of 04:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: versus another, very popular, actively syndicated TV series' DVD collections:
 BtVS DVD Amazon sales rankings (as of 04:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I think this suggests that DVD sales are keeping MST3K alive, even without the tape trading. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:28, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: eyes p2p and dvd Sherurcij (talk) (bounties) 04:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

text: That may be true among passive fans (ie. people who like the show enough to buy the DVDs, but are not cult followers, or in MST-terms, "MSTies"). However, MST3K tape trading was a very large part of the propagation of the show's success; so much so, that during its years on Comedy Central, the words "Keep Circulating the Tapes" can be seen at the end of episodes. This is how MSTies kept up (and continue to keep up) with the show. Many (like myself) have all the released DVD materials. However, the majority of the show's run is not available through BBI, Rhino, or any other company, and thus, the subculture of tape traders continues. Obviously, DVD sales are a note-worthy addition in explaining the cult following of the show, but it omits a very large portion of the equation. The practice of taping and subsequent trading goes back to the show's earliest days on KTMA and stuck with it until its duration. I believe that in and of itself warrents at least an additional heading within the current MST3K article (though I do believe it deserves its own).--Cambot 07:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, the biggest obstacle to an article on tape trading (or even discussion of the phenomenon in this article) is a lack of reliable sources that can be used for verification. We fans routinely forget that Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. We can be creative about how we express information, but the raw information itself must be published. Unless we can cite such sources for the history of MST3K tape trading, it shouldn't even be mentioned in Wikipedia. Not everything that is true is acceptable material for this encyclopedia. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:57, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tape Trading Article

message: Wikipedia television show articles are notorious for their lack of references, as we fans are more than happy to expound upon our favorite series without bothering to back our contributions up with published information. I am trying to build up a solid set of references for all MST3K-related articles. I've started by adding "References" sections to Satellite of Love (MST3K) and Tom Servo. Folks can review review them there to see my initial approach, but here is a more comprehesive set of citations, which can be excerpted for individual articles:
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== References ==
=== Print ===
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Amazing Colossal Episode Guide (1996), .
* The Official Mystery Science Theater 3000 Bot Building Booklet (1998), Best Brains, Inc., ISBFE 05557143431.
=== Web ===
* Satellite News: The Official Mystery Science Theater 3000 Web Site
=== Commercial video ===
==== Individual episodes and tapes ====
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Amazing Colossal Man VHS (1996), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #309).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Beginning of the End DVD (2000), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #517).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Brain That Wouldn't Die DVD (1996), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #513).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Crawling Hand DVD (2002), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #106).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Eegah DVD (1997), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #506).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Hellcats DVD (2002), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #209).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - I Accuse My Parents DVD (2002), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #507).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Manos, the Hands of Fate DVD (2001), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #424).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Mitchell DVD (2001), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #512).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - Red Zone Cuba DVD (2002), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #619).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Wild World of Batwoman DVD (2000), Rhino Entertainment,  (episode #515).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie DVD (1996), .
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Scrapbook VHS, Best Brains, Inc.
==== Collections ====
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 1 DVD set (2002), Rhino Entertainment, .
** Disc 1, The Skydivers (episode #609).
** Disc 2, The Creeping Terror (episode #606).
** Disc 3, Bloodlust! (episode #607).
** Disc 4, Catalina Caper (episode #204).
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 2 DVD set (2002), Rhino Entertainment, .
** Disc A, Pod People (episode #303).
** Disc B, Cave Dwellers (episode #301).
** Disc C, Angels Revenge (episode #622).
** Disc D, Shorts, Volume 1.
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 3 DVD set (2003), Rhino Entertainment, .
** Disc A, The Atomic Brain (episode #518).
** Disc B, The Unearthly (episode #320).
** Disc C, The Sidehackers (episode #202).
** Disc D, Shorts, Volume 2.
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 4 DVD set (2003), Rhino Entertainment, .
** Disc 1, Girl in Gold Boots (episode #1002).
** Disc 2, Hamlet (episode #1009).
** Disc 3, Overdrawn at the Memory Bank (episode #822).
** Disc 4, Space Mutiny (episode #820).
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 5 DVD set (2004), Rhino Entertainment, .
** Disc 1, Boggy Creek II (episode #1006).
** Disc 2, Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders (episode #1003).
** Disc 3, Time Chasers (episode #821).
** Disc 4, The Touch of Satan (episode #908).
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 6 DVD set (2004), Rhino Entertainment, UPC 603497037629.
** Disc 1, Attack of the Giant Leeches (episode #406).
** Disc 2, Gunslinger (episode #511).
** Disc 3, Mr. B's Lost Shorts.
** Disc 4, Teenagers from Outer Space (episode #404).
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 7 DVD set (2005), Rhino Entertainment, UPC 603497040421.
** Disc 1, Hercules Unchained (episode #408).
** Disc 2, Hercules Against the Moon Men (episode #410).
** Disc 3, Prince of Space (episode #816).
** Disc 4, The Killer Shrews (episode #407).
** Disc 4, "Assignment: Venezuela" (unaired short).
* The Mystery Science Theater 3000 Collection, Vol. 8 DVD set (2005), Rhino Entertainment, UPC 603497041725.
** Disc 1, Hobgoblins (episode #907).
** Disc 2, The Phantom Planet (episode #902).
** Disc 3, Monster a-Go Go (episode #421).
** Disc 4, The Dead Talk Back	 (episode #603).
* Mystery Science Theater 3000 - The Essentials DVD set (2004), Rhino Entertainment, UPC 603497034420.
** Disc 1, Manos, the Hands of Fate (episode #424).
** Disc 2, Santa Claus Conquers the Martians (episode #321).
** Disc 3, Shorts 3.
=== Telecast episodes ===
* Mystery Science Theater 3000, episode #K06 (Gamera vs. Gaos) 
* Mystery Science Theater 3000, episode #205 (Rocket Attack U.S.A.) 
* Mystery Science Theater 3000, episode #1004 (Future War) 
* Mystery Science Theater 3000, episode #1013 (Diabolik) 

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This list contains every (current) officially-released recording of MST3K material, plus a sample of unreleased-episode citations. (Including all of the remaining telecast eps for easy pasting would make this list even more outrageously long, and there's no information in their citations that isn't readily available from List of MST3K episodes anyway.) Articles would only include the specific publications and recordings that provide sources for the material in the article. Some notes:
* To use this list, edit this section, copy the entire list into a text editor, delete everything (in your copy!) that isn't needed, remove any remaining "nowiki" and "br" tags, and paste it into the appropriate position in the article (after "See also" but before "External links").
* I've divided this list into logical groups for easier review, but I would expect that, since most MST3K articles probably need less than a dozen references, the divisions should be removed before saving the selective References section.
* The HTML comments following a citation aren't necessary, but can direct editors to incorporate explicit citations in the article without cluttering up the reference section. On the other hand, perhaps the connection should be made visible to readers.
* The "STILL MISSING" comment at the end is important in helping editors review what reference work still needs to be done. It should not be visible because it is a meta-statement; i.e., about the article, not the subject.
* I'm not sure what order these should go in. My initial idea was to group them into most-official down to unreleased episodes, with the latter being in episode-number order. Ep-num order doesn't work for the DVD sets, though. Here I've listed them in set-number order for the sets, and alphabetical order for the individual DVDs and VHSes.
* I recommend including Satellite News in "References", not "External links", because the former specifically addresses source information, while the latter can be rather tangential to the subject. Alternatively, a specific link to Satellite News source information (e.g., Episode Guide, Season 3) may be given in "References", while the main page link can be listed in "External links".
* I did not include any of the individual Shorts, Tom's Host Segments, Play MSTie, Poopie, or Last Dance tapes or the Clowns in the Sky CDs available from BBI. (I only included the Shorts discs from the Collections for completeness; I wouldn't expect them to be cited, except possibly "Assignment: Venezuela", which is effectively straight-to-video.) All but the Poopies and Last Dance contain only material already covered in episode recordings. The bloopers and "memory lane" recordings didn't strike me as likely to be a source for encyclopedic information, but I could be wrong.
I invite everyone to discuss the format and use of these references, and to help me propagate them to all MST3K articles. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References for MST3K articles 

message: I remember playing a Playstation videogame involving 4x4 offroad driving on various planets with a mercenary plot and fast action.  Players could buy weapons and go on to more missions--if I remember correctly, the plot was pretty linear.
It was a real treat, however, that every time there was a pre-rendered cinematic, (a briefing from the futuristic government officials who paid you) two silhouettes in cushy chairs would riff on the briefing.  Even if you died, a movie with riffing would play.
What was this game?  I can't remember for the life of me.
:The game in question was Off World Interceptor.Reverend Raven 08:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further reference to MST3k 

message: I think it's a bit inappropriate to include "MST3Kvideos.com" and "Cheepnis" in the links list.  While I have no problem with including the Digital Archive Project, as it is download based and free, these other two openly solicit cash for bootleg tapes.
While I don't disapprove of what these tape providers do (after all, I built my collection the same way), I don't think that wikipedia should provide links to them.  That simply turns wikipedia into a source of free advertising for something of questionable legality.
Not to mention that if we do allow these two to link their sites from here, we have to allow everyone to do so.  That could get out of hand quickly, as there are literally hundreds of people who offer tapes for sale.
Anyone who wants copies of these episodes can find a way to get them from a google search or from the other links on this page anyway...
So I'm going to remove those two links.  Feel free to revert my update if you disagree.
Jwadeg 18:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this removal, on the basis of Wikipedia's prohibition against advertising. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've just posted an explanation of the situation to our anonymous link-adding friend, in the hopes that they will consider the reasons for the removal and join in the discussion. I felt this was important  to do before we attempt to invoke the three-revert rule, which has easily been exceeded at this point. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tape Providers in Links Section 

message: I've just removed a new "Criticism" section because it seems to have been created solely to mention a putative criticism from Michael Rissi, director of Soultaker, which was featured in MST3K episode 1001. The text is based on a quote from IMDb's user comments pages for the film (from July 28, 2001, in a posting from "CamMan-5 from Hollywood"). The problem is that Wikipedia:Reliable sources specifically rules out the use of bulletin boards and similar user-posted materials as sources. This is not surprising, as there is no way to verify who the poster is, so we don't really know if this is indeed Rissi. (I suspect it is, but that's not the point.)
On the other hand, a "Criticism" section is perfectly reasonable. But we should come up with criticisms published by WP-reliable sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All true and reasonable. (I'm the one who added it, hello.) I included it because it interested and concerned me slightly - I love MST3K, but the idea that some of the movies may have been made more inept while being edited down (they had to be edited for time since the show has a consistent running time, and sometimes for content, I know - not everyone may realise this though) does seem a bit underhand. But if there's no legitamite way to include it I guess that's that. Denzilq 22:32, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is a legitimate way — by using reliable sources, by Wikipedia definitions. Personally, I really like CamMan-5's criticism, because it focuses on the reasonable concern of filmmakers that their artistic output not be misrepresented, especially when being mocked, while still acknowledging the humor of the show. It's just not a properly verifiable source. I really think proper sources exist; I just haven't hunted them down myself. One place to start might be TV Guide or other entertainment publications (with online presences, to make searching easier). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I meant a legitamite way for that particular quote, since (as you say) it's a good one, despite the shakiness of the source. Or did you mean that he may have expressed similar sentiments elsewhere? I will have a look at TV Guide etc. Denzilq 22:54, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section 

message: I've recently arranged the external links so their not as cluttered.. Feel free to re-edit or re-sort or include new links to that section. DrWho42 05:19, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone noticed the Prince of Space trailer upon the MySpace fan-group? (which is one of the biggest few..)
Here's a link to what I'm talking about: 1959. DrWho42 03:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links arranged 

message: Aside from the movies obviously featured along the List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, shouldn't there be a segment concerning what happened in the episode itself (i.e. what Joel/Mike and the Bots did in the episode, Invention Exchange, noteworthy other aspects)?
I personally think it would definately improve the state of stubs and increase the MSTie-side of it as well.. DrWho42 00:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not clear on what you're suggesting. There are no details of specific movies in this article, so there should be no details of specific host segments (except as they relate to events in the overall show). If you're talking about changes to List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes, you should post your comments and questions on its talk page. If you're talking about host-segment information to be added to individual film articles, there is a current discussion about individual articles for MST3K versions of films at Talk:List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes#Episode articles, which is probably the best place to mention this. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:42, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episodes/Experiments vs. Movies 

message: I am a little surprised that there appears no explanation in the main article regarding Joel/Mike's (and sometimes Tom or Crow's) exclamations of "We have Movie Sign!" throughout each program: "Movie Sign" is only mentioned in passing in the article.  I am about 99.9% sure that the expression came directly from Frank Herbert's Dune - and in particular David Lynch's film adaptation, where when the presence of a Sand Worm is detected, and (sometimes) the ground shakes, and someone will say: "We have Worm Sign!".  I think this is a semi-important and somewhat amusing tie in between Dune and MST3K - and MST3K began production not too long after Dune was released on Laserdisk, to the delight of sci-fi fans and Dune's cult following.  Just wondering if anyone else "noticed" this and if it should be mentioned in the main article.  --T-dot 16:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but without a reliable source for such a theory, we can't make such a statement here, as it would be original research. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Movie Sign" 

message: I wanted to add a little more detail to the trivia section of the Play Misty for Me entry. Does anyone know exactly when Comedy Central did this, if the episodes aired were indeed viewer requested and any other interesting information? Thanks. Wowbobwow12 01:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Satellite News mentions Play MSTie for Me  I believe it was around from mid to late '94 to at least fall of '95. In March '95, CC stopped taking viewer votes for the episodes but kept calling it Play MSTie for Me. I think it's also worth mentioning the grief that came out of Comedy Central's decision to end the midnight airings . Reverend Raven 09:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many thanks! Wowbobwow12 00:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Play MSTie for Me

message: I didn't see any mention of the "Mystery Science Theater 3000 Hour" I discovered MST3K in college in 1994 when I had free cable in my dorm room. When I got home from college I was bummed because we didn't have cable. But lo and behold one of the local stations was playing the MST3K hour. It consisted of a regular episode cut into two, one hour shows. At the beginning and end of each show Mike was dressed as an old man, doing a "Masterpiece Theater" type introduction and conclusion. Does anyone know any more of the history of this sindication of MST3K? I know they showed it for a year or two on our local affiliate.
: Your wish is my command. There is now a MST Hour section with this information. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The MST3K Hour 

message: I've done some restructuring to the "Background and history" section, which has accreted a good bit of material that doesn't fit under this heading, and was quite wandering in its flow. I split it into two main sections, the second being "Reactions", and divided the first into major events in the series, including the broadcaster eras, the film, and the host-switch.
I removed the "eras" section that had been tacked on later because it was completely unsourced. (If someone can properly source any of the era structures, a paragraph on this subject might serve as an introduction to the "Background and history" section.) I also removed the "some of the films dismembered" section (although I love that phrase, whoever wrote it) because it seemed like an excuse for editors to argue over their favorite episodes (again, without any attempt to source claims of popularity). This also dropped the unsubtantiated claim about trimming the episodes deliberately to make for better riffs, but some of that material might conceivably go into another section if sourced.
I also added a new subsection on The Mystery Science Theater Hour, per the above request. I hope that this work, plus my conversion of all the quickie bare links and partial citations into full source citations, moves the article a bit closer to the Wikipedia encyclopedic ideal. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Background and history" restructuring 

message: I have merged the contents of the soon-to-be-ex-article "Doorway Sequence" with this article, as decided in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Doorway Sequence. Per GFDL requirements, here is the edit history of that article:
* (cur) (last) 07:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from "Doorway Sequence" 

message: I visited this page with a view to understanding the copyright issues involved with this show. Were all the films cleared legally (originally, as the show matured)? Or is the show somehow considered a derived work significaltly different from the original work? Etc., etc...
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Malak2000 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 5 September 2006
: Best Brains secured the rights to use films and shorts for the original broadcasts and a limited number of reruns and syndication. It had to renew these rights whenever they expired, which is one major reason why, as the show went on, some episodes fell off the rerun list at different times. (This was very noticeable in the Sci Fi era once the original run finished, because toward the end, there were only a dozen or so episodes to which BBI still had rights to show the films within the episodes.)
: Basically, there are three elements to MST3K copyright issues:
:* Best Brains has a copyright on each of its episodes.
:* Each film and short has a copyright held by its creators or whomever the copyright was transferred to.
:* Rhino has a copyright on the VHS and DVD prints of the episodes.
: Therefore, if a MSTied film has gone into the public domain, the film itself can be copied legally, but neither the MST3K episode nor the VHS or DVD from Rhino (if one exists) may be, just because of the film's status. If your question is about the original films, this gets complicated rather quickly. Some are probably in the public domain; many are not. I am trying to compile a copyright-status list for each of the films and shorts, but it's going to take a while. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cheers Jeff -- exactly the kinda info I was after -- I was assuming it would be interesting & convolted! Malak2000 12:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright issues 

message: I've removed the new paragraph that mentions MST3K material being available on Google Video, because the assumption that a Google user called "Best Brains Inc." is no less naive than assuming that a Wikipedia user named "Crow T. Robot" would be Trace Beaulieu or Bill Corbett. The fact that this "Best Brains Inc." user has uploaded the entire episode "Space Mutiny", which is currently available on Rhino DVD, is a near-guarantee that this user is acting illegally, as even BBI is unlikely to have the rights to make Rhino's commercial product freely available on the web. Just to be sure, I've emailed Barb Tebben at BBI to confirm this. Meanwhile, we shouldn't be providing links to almost certain copyright violations. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:09, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Google Video mention 

message: What the hell is a "Midwestern Feel"? Unless you can answer that and provide solid examples, it has no buisness in the article. - Plasticbadge 21:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Midwestern feel? 

message: Does anyone know what relationship the Playstation game Offworld Interceptor Extreme has to MST3K?  Each of the cutscenes in the game has an MST3K look and feel.
:It was just an homage. The developers had no contact or input from Best Brains. Reverend Raven 19:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Playstation game? 

message: Should this be merged in and/or renamed?--Rayc 04:35, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, then you should say so on the AfD, since it looks like it might get merged here.--Rayc 23:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  For everyone's convenience, the AfD mentioned is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MSTing. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[MSTing]] 

message: Does anyone want to give credit to "Hellzapoppin'" (yes 1941) for the first instance of wisecracking commentatry of a film within a film?
:Not in this article we don't.JohnnyRush10 02:19, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hellzapoppin 

message: Anyone else think that this section would be more appropriate to move to the List of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes page? Seems like featured lists of TV episodes usually incude this info on their page, and it would be a good opportunity to tidy up and trim the size of the main article a bit. Discuss... MArcane 02:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't argue merging that section into the List would be a good thing to do.  While this article is long, the list of episodes is longer still, and that's not exactly information that corollates to the topic.  I agree with the thought, that the article needs minimizing, this wouldn't exactly be the right way.JohnnyRush10 02:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Video and DVD Release Section

message: In order to shorten the article, there should be a page for minor characters.  They can be named here, but no information, or at least very very reduced.JohnnyRush10 02:22, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Minor Characters

message: Not that long ago, somebody added a line to the article, stating that a character on Sabrina, the Teenage Witch turned into a nerd and suddenly felt the urge to watch every episode of MST3K.  It looks like it was taken down, then put back later.  I don't have any particular connection to that debate, but it is worth noting that Frank Conniff was Executive Story Editor for Sabrina. --A. 18:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabrina

message: In the last episode of the NBC show (5/10), Michael Scott makes what is likely a reference to "Eegah" when he quips "Watch out for snakes" while walking near a lake. There's nothing more to the line that that, so it certainly has to be a reference, but it still may not be conclusive enough to warrant inclusion in the "allusions" section here. Thoughts? Km9000 23:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree...interesting, but not conclusive enough to warrant inclusion in the article.MArcane 23:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Only to us MSTies would this be so readily considered an allusion. Most people would consider this good advice when communing with nature. Even if we had reason to believe that The Office writers were likely to make such an obscure allusion (obscure to most of the world, that is), drawing such inferences is forbidden original research. We need documented evidence from reliable sources. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:07, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if Steve Carell is actually a MSTie, because not only did he say 'Watch out for snakes' in the above mentioned episode, but his character in the movie The 40-Year Old Virgin had a MST poster in his room. Fireballil 07:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Office 

message: Why is there no reference to the various musical numbers during host segments? They seemed to be in almost every Joel episode, and Mike had a few pieces during his Comedy Central years. Tenk you veddy much.  --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 17:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, nothing on the letter readings, either. Just saying. Tenk you veddy much.  --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 17:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical numbers