Talk:Diego Rivera

message: This can't be right:
"They married for the first time in 1929, when he was 42 years old and she was 22; but owing to his infidelity and violent temper they divorced in 1928"  Actually, she was 19.  They divorced, but because of his incessant infidelity, but because of his affair with her sister.  They remarried a year later.
Actually, it is right.  Frida was born in 1907, making her 22 in 1929.  Because of her passion for the mexican revolution, she attempted to change her date of birth from 1907 to 1910 to coincide with the revolution. Weili 17:06, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage to Frida Kahlo 

message: Bonus army
How could there not be a threat of Revolution?
umm personally i think its really weird that she got back with him  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.71.204.253 (talk) 18:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alot of men trained to kill had families that needed food 

message: "it is proven  have been highly unlikely"
In case any Rivera or Trotsky experts are reading, I'd like to draw your attention to this ridiculous phrase.  I hope someone can fix it to reflect the amount of information that is available. Frida loves cake and sssniperwolf is a time travler. As they were known as best friends, but was erased in any data about it by the governmnet as to not change anything. But even today the edivance of this is held in the basement of the white house in a restricted room. Frida was killed and replaced by her secret twin sister, that had the same personality as her. Fridas final wish was for her sister to become a great artist, since she no longer could.
--69.140.16.126 05:16, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivera allegedly vs. Trotsky 

message: Diego Rivera is NOT cubism. He is Socialist Realism. Cubism is Picasso.
:Huh? Perhaps you should take a look at some of his paintings posted  here. linas 05:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The section on Cubism would benefit from an inclusion of information from :Ramon Favela's Diego Rivera: The Cubist Years Phoenix Art Museum, 1984. Npsanchez (talk) 23:22, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cubism? 

message: the article says that his first marriage was to Guadalupe Marín yet when you click on the link and read the Guadalupe Marín article it says she was his second wife.  Their were many wifes involoved but of course this was never made public.
Guadalupe being his second wife is consistent with what I've always believed but in either case, there's an inconsistency to be cleared up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.113.83.98 (talk) 00:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  1st marriage? 

message: what happened to them?161.253.40.203 05:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notes? 

message: Frida had a brief affair with Trotsky in the summer of 1937, not long after he came to Mexico, but this was most assuredly not the reason for his break with Rivera. This did not come until the winter of 1938-39, while Frida was absent at an exhibition of her work in New York and then Paris. The breach, according to Hayden Herrera, the author of Frida, was caused by a combination of personal and political differences. Rivera had an expansive personality, one that did not harmonise well with that of the didactic and humourless Trotsky. More and more the two men came into open disagreement, over the nature of the Soviet state, over trade union work, and over Rivera's support for Francisco Mujica's bid for the Mexican presidency. But these disagreements in point of detail came down to one big thing: Riviera was simply not the kind of man who could fit easily within the narrow political and personal discipline demanded by people like Trotsky. He was, as he told the old Bolshevik, 'a bit of an anarchist', which is as good an assessment of his politics-and his personality-as any. In Paris Frida reported the breach in a letter to a friend "Diego has now fought with the Fourth International and told piochitas [Trotsky] to go to hell in a very serious manner." And as far as she was concerned he was completely right. Clio the Muse 02:34, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivera vs. Trotsky 

message: Two sources ( and ) provide different dates for Diego Rivera's death.  Can anyone provide some insight?  — The Storm Surfer 10:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: On 29 September 2007 at 01:32,  Modernist changed without valid reason(s) given the Diego Rivera opening sentence () - damaging it - from: 
: Diego Rivera ([...]) was a world-famous Mexican painter influenced by Cézanne - and also a communist born in Guanajuato City - whose large wall works in fresco co-established the Mexican Mural Renaissance with those by Orozco, Siqueiros, etc. ()
to two sentences still opening the article (which is now protected):
: Diego Rivera ([...] was a world-famous Mexican painter influenced by Cézanne - and also a communist. Born in Guanajuato City - and whose large wall works in fresco co-established the Mexican Mural Renaissance with those by Orozco, and Siqueiros. ()
The errors include: missing parenthesis, incorrect division into two (2) sentences, completely wrong structure of the second sentence, factual error that the Mexican Mural Renaissance was established by works of only 3 mentioned painters (there were more of them). Can such damage to article be considered as vandalism, please? -70.18.5.219 08:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Errors like this are not considered vandalism. Please review what vandalism is on Wikipedia, including what vandalism is not. Unintentional incorrect information, bad grammar, poor spelling, manual of style errors, and other common mistakes are not the same as vandalism. Additionally, editors should assume good faith with regards to edits that are not obvious, intentional, malicious destruction. Instead, just fix the errors, explaining in the edit summary why you're making those specific changes. (i.e. in edit summary box, type "fixing typographical errors, adding closing parentheses, adding info that multiple founders of MMR." etc,) Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 09:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: Ariel, I cannot fix the article, because it has been protected for 9 days - effectively against... myself - as a result of someone's vandalism. B.t.w., how such protection works against vandalism, which acts seem to be singular and unrelated to each other, so one occurrence does not allow to predict the next one?  In other words, if acts of vandalism are random and unpredictable, how the length of duration of protection against random occurrences can be calculated?  Wouldn't be better just to block the vandals instead of disallowing editing for all anons, please? -70.18.5.219 10:14, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overprotected? 

message: While addressing some of the issues above (which I have changed to reflect the proper Manual of Style, other issues caught my eye. This article uses non-reliable sources, such as geocities, and answers.com. Neither of these are reliable, third-party sources, and should be moved into the external links section, with proper sources found to replace them. Answers.com is nothing more than a collection of information obtained elsewhere, and that page actually is a copy of this article, so it is not at all a reliable source. Geocities is not a respected fact-checking news service, but a personal webspace host, and thus, not a reliable source. The same goes for the Fred Buch reference, it too should be moved to the external links section, as it is a personal website. Ariel♥Gold 09:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I put them there reluctantly and always wishing too that those sources were better, but - apparently - it is a lot easier said than done.  The desire to have "reliable, third-party sources" is a guideline, not a policy, and, as such, it is deemed as advisable, and NOT as "should be" (required).-70.18.5.219 05:42, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:RS|Reliable sources]]

message: Sec. I. From 70.18.5.219: Dear Modernist, your three (3) instances of removing references justified as unnecessary and redundant, but without saying why and to whom seemed to violate the WP:VANDALISM#Types of vandalism "Blanking" in the part described there as Sometimes important verifiable references are deleted with no valid reason(s) given in the summary.  On what ground you deprived readers additional sources, please? Those instances were:
:1.  <"18:11, 26 September 2007 Modernist (removing all redundant and unnecessary Olga's gallery references from lead - see external links)">, which was blanking of references without required saying why, and so constituting "no valid reason(s) given" qualified as vandalism under the "Blanking" rule (partially restored:  with the comment <"20:46, 26 September 2007 70.18.5.219 (On what ground you deprive readers additional sources, please?)">).
:2.  <"18:29, 26 September 2007 Modernist (?Later work abroad - removed unnecessary and redundant artchive reference - see external links)">, which was blanking of reference without required saying why, and so constituting "no valid reason(s) given" qualified as vandalism under the "Blanking" rule.
:3.  <"18:32, 26 September 2007 Modernist  (?Career in Mexico - removed redundant unnecessary artchive reference see external links)">, which was blanking of reference without saying why, and so constituting "no valid reason(s) given" qualified as vandalism under the "Blanking" rule.
::Would the sysops be so kind and take appropriate steps (like issuing a warning against Modernist) to protect other editors from repeating undue blankings by Modernist, please? -70.18.5.219 20:18, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From 70.18.5.219: Dear Freshacconci, the base of my argument above has been corrected, so you may want to modify yours too.  My point has been the same that the editors shall NOT blank (delete) others' work (like mine) with "no valid reason(s) given", as it is clearly prohibited by WP:VANDALISM#Types of vandalism "Blanking" especially in regard to references. In general, it seems that Wikipedia protects its expansion by making Blanking (and Deleting at all) difficult through prohibiting it with "no valid reason(s) given", while NOT having such a requirement, when Adding to Wikipedia. So, the issue of violations of that rule seems to be threatening expansion for Wikipedia. -70.18.5.219 09:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sysops, repeated [[Wp:vandalism#Types of vandalism|'''Blanking''']] as vandalism (corrected)? 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Rivera-the-arsenal.jpg

message: He is described in the article as a converso, and categorized at the bottom as a Mexican Jew.  My understanding is that conversos had converted and no longer practiced Judaism.  Is there any evidence he considered himself Jewish?  If so, why is he a converso and not a marrano? ~ 72.222.181.186 (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Diego Rivera Jewish? 

message: Was it John D. Rockefeller who was 94 at the time or his grandson Nelson A. Rockefeller or his father John D. Rockefeller, Jr. that you meant? Please provide a reference for your changes, thank you...Modernist (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Rockefeller Center

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thread_title: File:RiveraMuralNationalPalace.jpg Nominated for Deletion

message: I'd like to request the page for Diego Rivera be edited.  Someone put that Google designed their logo around his 125th birthday, and to me that's going too far - It's for Google's page not Diego's, to showcase Google logo treatments. What's more, the source used for the entry (#22, www.popherald.com is a website that talks about gadgets and google news - not in my view a reliable source for documenting the "historical record."  
Including information about a corporation's logo I feel has nothing to do with Diego as a person or his life as an artist.  Further, a logo is not like a movie or a book reference where you might be able to learn something - although I would argue references to books and films should go at the end of an entry separate from the main body of the article.  The bottom line is a company logo is being "advertised," unwittingly in a wikipedia article - an action that does nothing to educate the reader on the life of Diego Rivera.  
Please change the following:
Cinematic and online portrayals
Diego Rivera was portrayed by Rubén Blades in 1999's Cradle Will Rock, and by Alfred Molina in 2002's Frida. On the occasion of Diego Rivera's 125th Birthday Google designed a specialized logo to honor the legendary painter.[22]
to the following:
Cinematic portrayals
Diego Rivera was portrayed by Rubén Blades in 1999's Cradle Will Rock, and by Alfred Molina in 2002's Frida. 
Bdfmail (talk) 08:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 9 December 2011 

message: I've uploaded 19 works by Diego Rivera (pre-1923 and so PD in US) to :Category:Google Art Project works by Diego Rivera and plan to add them to the gallery in this article, and to augment the gallery with specific information like dates, dimensions, locations. Particularly remarkable is :File:Diego Rivera - El Picador - Google Art Project.jpg (right), which is over 340 megapixels. Please have a look! Dcoetzee 12:59, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There are errors magnifying the El Picador image. I posted the difficulty on the images' Talk page. Thanks, Wordreader (talk) 19:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: When I magnify the Río Juchitán image, it looks like it could be a mosaic instead of a fresco, unlike the other mural photos attached to the article. Is it? Was that a new technique for Rivera? Or did he use a pointillist technique here and not in the other murals depicted? Incomplete captions can be very frustrating! Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 19:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Art Project images 

message: Can you add this Image to the article it looks like it will add value.2602:306:CC1F:BFA0:8DF7:95BB:D05C:2BAC (talk)
::When I magnify the Río Juchitán image, it looks like it could be a mosaic instead of a fresco, unlike the other mural photos attached to the article. Is it? Was that a new technique for Rivera? Or did he use a pointillist technique here and not in the other murals depicted? Incomplete captions can be very frustrating! Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 19:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Rio Juchitan

message: Thanks.
14.200.68.118 (talk) 18:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Please decapitalize "Y" in "Later Years"

message: :Please add a section discussing Rivera's lithographic prints. See John Itman's article about Rivera's printmaking (from the book Mexico and Modern Printmaking). 
Andrewshuta (talk) 23:19, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rivera's Lithographic Prints 

message: The last paragraph in the Career in Mexico section is confusing to me. Perhaps I am missing something? The first sentence (if true and verifiable - no citation as it now stands) is an excellent topic sentence that I wish were expanded upon. Now, for my confusion, the sentence about Trotsky seems to pop out of nowhere, wedged between two sentences about murals:
"His art, in a fashion similar to the steles of the Maya, tells stories. [Stuff about the mural En el Arsenal.] Leon Trotsky lived with Rivera and Kahlo for several months while exiled in Mexico.[16] [More stuff about murals.]"
Did the author mean to imply that Trotsky is included in the murals mentioned? If that's the case, please complete the thought for clarification. If not, and that sentence is as randomly placed as it seems, please move the reference to a more appropriate place. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 18:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Am I missing something? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: someone needs to explain that absurd name.  I am a Spanish speaker and I am accustomed to firstname firstname surname surname.  I have no idea what all those names are or why he has so many names and I am sure anyone looking at this page is going to wonder the same thing as their first question.  Did he pick that name for himself?  Which of those are his surnames and which are his first names?  does he have three surnames? WTF!?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.212.229.235 (talk) 06:50, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: Checking on possible vandalism saying Rivera died of penile cancer, I found that he didn't, but recovered from it twice (in his autobio he says he was 'released as cured' in 1952 & 1955), and died of heart failure. All of these details are missing from the article, but Rivera's cancer is fairly well known, and mentioned by other commenters above. I then noticed that in fact there's nothing in the 'Later Years' section after 1940, despite clearly working on since there are artworks depicted at the foot of the article from that period.
So, has there been a section blanked? Anyone familiar with the article know? Bazzargh (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have paragraphs about Rivera's later life been removed? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: This addition indeed seems to have reliable sources, but out of context is little more than trivia, and perhaps misleading at that:
Rivera claimed to have engaged in cannibalism, particularly enjoying the taste of brains.Sleeping With the EnemyAn experiment in cannibalism
The passage in Kimmelman's book review reads in part "Rivera, who lavishly embellished his own history to augment his significance. He claimed, for instance, that he nearly died at birth and was disposed of in a dung bucket by a midwife before miraculously reviving… [a long list of other presumably tall tales] … You can see where Marnham's title [Dreaming With His Eyes Open] comes from." Why not have instead a developed paragraph on Ribera's managing of his image? Sparafucil (talk) 02:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cannibalism 

message: Under "Later years" there is a photo of Rivera accompanied by Engel and Nagel at Berlin Ostbahnhof station. It is dated 1921: this is a mistype - it should be 1956, as it evident from the Details acoompanying the photograph. (This explains why it is a photo of three old men, whereas in 1921 Rivera was 35 and in the prime of life.)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.200.187.196 (talk) 10:23, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo date wrong 

message: Who were his parents? (And siblings if he had any) 2600:1700:3681:7110:FC4C:2D85:617F:4F3A (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parents and Siblings? 

message: Under this heading in the text below it states that Diego divorced his third wife to marry Frida. Frida was his third wife, this should be edited to say that he divorced his second wife to marry Frida 67.149.91.197 (talk) 17:34, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Later Years - Correction Needed 

message: MOS:SANDWICH issues in the Later years section. Four images in that short span is already a bit much. The 1956 pic should be moved down, maybe to the bottom of the section somewhere to match the chronology presented in the text. The portrait of Diego Rivera pic could be right-aligned to avoid sandwich effect. The house pic could maybe be deleted altogether. Leave choices up to editor; I'm not picky about what's done as long as the sandwiching is fixed. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 08:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Last image could not be found on source mode. ABG  (Talk/Report any mistakes here)  09:46, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! 104.232.119.107 (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[MOS:SANDWICH]]