Talk:Dolphin drive hunting

message: The "Method" section does not contain a description
of the hunt methods or sources, and should be reworked 
or removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by LaloLoud (talk • contribs) 23:14, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody decided to remove all the content in that section and replace it with a single sentence. Reverted it.BabyNuke (talk) 08:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Method section 

message: Many are also sceptical about the intelligence of dolphins, saying that they can just be taught tricks like dogs. -- This statement is clearly wrong, based on other information about Dolphins in Wikipedia, the scientific articles quoted in Dolphin Intelligence and from other sources. The fishermen may still repeat it, but it should not be included in an encyclopedic article not even as quotation *unless appropriate comment is provided*. User:Hhanke
::Added a note BabyNuke 21:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism section quote 

message: I'd appreciate it if someone could confirm that the animals in the second photo are indeed Northern Bottlenose whales. I'm not 100% sure myself. The filename says pilot whale, but I believe that is incorrect as they have a more blunt "nose". BabyNuke 22:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whale species 

message: It's a nice article. However, there is one copyediting that should be done, before I say that this is a good article. This is actually related with criterion 1 of WP:WIAGA about well-written article.
In the references section, there are very long quotes written there. It's very hard to understand the article when a reader has to jump back and forth with footnotes to read the quotes. Furthermore, the text in the references section is small, making it even harder to read. By practice, when you want to take information from a source, there are 2 ways:
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So I am going to put this article On Hold for GA. You can fix this matter in the meantime. I think 7 days of on hold period is more than enough. I think it is just moving footnotes back to the main article. — Indon (reply) — 15:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and one more thing. There is one image with copyright but no fair use rationale and one image with obsolete tag. Please fix license tags for these images also. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 15:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll see what the best solution will be and will probably fix it this weekend. BabyNuke 19:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: I have seen improvements based on my review in the previous thread. Hence, GA is passed. I enjoy reading this article. It's compact, well-referenced, good sources, compelling prose and stays focus on the topic. Congratulations to the editors of this article for your hard work. Cheers. — Indon (reply) — 08:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! BabyNuke 10:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: The sentence ending, "the hunting is done by a select group of privileged fishermen, membership being decided by a sort of masonic ritual." is rather unsubstantiated. Whet sort of masonic ritual? Why is it sort or a ritual. Tell us more or tell us less; this is an encyclopedia. Williamborg (Bill) 04:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then less, I have no further information on the matter. BabyNuke 09:37, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Freemasonry  ritual

message: There is nothing against posting a link to a more critical article or website providing that it adds to the article, however, the petition website does not add anything to the article but encouraging readers to speak out against it. Further, the statement that 20.000 dolphins are killed in drive hunts anually is absolutely incorrect. About 16.000 small whales are killed by Japan anually in various ways, the vast majority of them (some 14.000) being porpoises killed in harpoon hunts. The half a page worth of text there is reads like a piece of propaganda. Don't get me wrong, I oppose the practice myself, but I'll let the article speak for itself instead of linking to questionable petitions that in the end will bias the article. Putting that link there is like saying "now that you've read the article, you may want to sign this petition". BabyNuke 15:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I support a link (and per WP guidelines) if it provides reasonable educational value the opposition is using against whaling and is objective (which is possible). But if there is any indication of "sign this petition now" or check out this next link about a global anti-hunting organization, then the article should not appear. The best link would be a scholar studying dolphins and simply their observations on whaling. I whole heartily agree that placing certain links at the end of a long article is akin to endorsing them which is what happened to many Iraq-related articles. 64.122.208.184 15:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for deleting the petition 

message: According the the source referend, the slitting of the throat is no longer allowed. If the editor that removed this portion (71.163.28.131) has any source that would suggest that the method has not changed, please provide this before removing this section. BabyNuke 15:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change of method 

message: "Well known are also the images from Iki Island taken in 1979 of a Japanese fisherman stabbing dolphins with a spear in shallow waters.[27]"
I believe this passage is either unneccesary or should be provided as a "related article" link because the incident in Iki had nothing to do with drive hunting. Tsumugi 03:37, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote the reference: "They began herding dolphins into a small bay, sealing it off with a net, and then killing them with spears." To me, that sounds like a drive hunt. BabyNuke 20:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unneccesary passage 

message: Weekly Sincho 29 November issue reported the Fishermen's version of the 2007 October incident.
When the fishermen tried to release smaller dolphins for a conseravtional purpose, the campaigners came into the sea again. The fishermen tried to get the campainers back to the beach because the fishermen feard dolphins getting agitated and out of control. Because the fishermen and the campaigners didn't speake each other's language, the fishermen used their fishing sticks to push the surf boards.
http://www.shinchosha.co.jp/shukanshincho/tachiyomi/20071129_1.html (japanese language)
Tarafuku10 (talk) 12:28, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find it a bit of a "saving our ass" story, but - I have reworded the article a little. Removed that she and the others were there to "free the dolphins" as that wasn't said. BabyNuke (talk) 19:06, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: October 2007 incident

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dolsling.jpg

message: Is there a Japanese term for dolphin meat, or perhaps an English one?  Seems relevant to the article, if someone happens to be in Japan and come across it.  69.220.2.188 (talk) 06:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a Japanese equivalent of a term "beef" for cow meat, or "australus" for kangaroo meat? No we don't have those special terms for food meat. Beef is just "cow meat" and dolphin meat is "dolphin meat" in Japanese.  Tarafuku10 (talk) 22:37, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if I were in Japan looking for dolphin meat from someone who didn't speak English, what would I say?  155.138.3.21 (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese term for dolphin meat? 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Culture and Society" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would also be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 21:09, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I'll see if there's any dead links. BabyNuke (talk) 11:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All references checked and updated where needed. BabyNuke (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I'll try hard to improve the nuetrality and quality of this article. Tarafuku10 (talk) 22:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: "The dolphins are usually not caught and killed immediately, but instead left to calm down over night."
OR
"(This is in fact unusual; in general the dolphins are sorted, some for captivity, and the rest slaughtered immediately.)"
Not both. Evanh2008, Super Genius  Who am I?  You can talk to me... 20:14, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone please source ONE of these 

message: Not wanting to get into an edit war so I'll put this on the talk page, but I personally think the photo of the dish including whale meat is a good contribution to this article. Puts what happens to the animals after they've been killed into perspective.BabyNuke (talk) 09:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I respectfully disagree, as the image has little to do with the subject of the article. We don't have pictures of medium-well steaks at slaughterhouse, or of salted, koshered meat at shechita. It logically follows that these animals will be eaten after they are killed, but that is why we have the article whale meat. Evanh2008 (talk) (contribs) 20:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. The article's subject is the type of hunting. The cuisine aspect is covered in several articles. We even have Faroese cuisine which correctly includes this very same image.TMCk (talk) 22:16, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whale meat 

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