Talk:Melisende, Queen of Jerusalem

message: William clearly acknowledges the adulterous relationship between Melisende and Hugh. The sources that suggest that the revolt of 1134 was caused by Fulk's reorganization of the nobility include: Ibn al-Qalanisi and Orderic Vitalis. 
The article reads:
Thereafter, wrote the historian William of Tyre, Fulk "never tried to initiate anything, even in trivial matters, with her foreknowledge."
Should this be 'without' rather than 'with', perhaps? Andre Engels 13:00 Oct 17, 2002 (UTC)
Adam, we were in at the same time! Sorry but can you copy edit again!! :) 
Also.. is there a wiki-way as to why we reduce the second word in a heading back to lower case? As it introduces a second chapter I would think it would be capitalized. Also.. can you help me link up certin things.. like the Melisende Paslster and other important names and events in the text? 
Thanx much, Drachenfyre... oh and I have more to list for sources!
:I'm not sure, that's just the Wikipedia style...they're not really "chapters" as such, it's not a book. Also, we only have to link to things once, the first time they appear, so if they occur again you can leave them unlinked. Adam Bishop 05:45, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  William of Tyre 

message: I removed the section about Eleanor and Melisende, it's entirely too speculative and doesn't really belong here. I don't think we should include what "may have" happened. Adam Bishop 7 July 2005 19:58 (UTC)
:: Yes Adam I do see your point. It is certin they did meet though, and according to Eleanor biographer Alison Wier Melisende was hostess to the King and Queen of France and Louis is documented in the historical record touring Jerusalem with Melisende. Eleanor was in discrace, according to Wier, and thus she was not mentioned when the couple entered capital. For those that might have liked to see the text in question Here is the text origionally:
:::Despite the military and diplomatic setbacks caused by the Second Crusade, in Jerusalem the meeting between Melisende and Eleanor must have had an impact on both women. Melisende was undisputed queen by right, head of a nation and subject to no man. The palace was well appointed with all the Oriental splendor and comforts that western Europe's draughty castles and poor sanitation lacked. From fine quality Persian carpets and wall tapestries, fine silk sheets and clothing, mosaic floors, to bathing and grooming habits, the Jerusalem of Melisende must have seemed a kind of paradise to western Europeans. Eleanor, sure of herself and with the nerve of her youth and renowned beauty, must have been influenced by this. This meeting between the two queens with their shared experiences may have engendered a kind of 'kindred spirit' friendship between them, though Eleanor was in disgrace for alleged infidelity with her uncle in Antioch. Eleanor may have seen Melisende's successes as inspiration, influencing her dealings with her husbands and sons, even with the governance of Aquitaine once Eleanor returned to Poitou. After 11 months Eleanor and Louis departed for France, ending the Second Crusade.Drachenfyre 01:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eleanor and Melisende 

message: My Latin isn't good enough to do it myself, but would someone be able to translate the following section of the article into English:
 Of Melisende, William of Tyre wrote "reseditque reginam regni potestas penes dominam Melisendem, Deo amabilem reginam, cui jure hereditario competebat."
Without a translation, it is quite hard to know what is being conveyed. Magic1million (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the same William of Tyre quote found in the first subsection:  I have removed the Latin text. W. Tell DCCXLVI (talk to me!/c) 16:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation to English would be Helpful