Talk:Zygmunt Wojciechowski

message: "Unsere Edition (...) ist einseitig, wir fügen hinzu: ganz bewußt einseitig. (...) Wir bemühen uns hier nicht um eine sogenannte objektive Geschichtsschreibung. Unsere Aufgabe bestand darin, die polnische Geschichte dieser Länder darzustellen und die polnische gegenwärtige Realität dieser Länder auf diesen historischen Hintergrund zu projizieren."
A- I doubt Wojciechowski wrote in German.
B-why is this quote edited to conceal several parts within it? 
I will request full quote along with source for this statement.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source is Gregor Thum: "Die fremde Stadt" (in German) and Thum obviously translated the original, left out some parts and quoted only the most important. The citation above is what Thum wrote. If you've got access to the original (Ziemie Staropolskie) you might check the complete prologue. You might also ask User:Piotrus for a confirmation, I think I remember he knew Thum's book. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  left out some parts and quoted only the most important Really. So what were these "left parts"? Could tell me to provide from where he took Wojciechowski quote so that we may see the original text before Thum's translation, what these "parts" contain that was so unimportant in Thum's view?--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ziemie Staropolskie, seriously, it's not that hard to find. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:30, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So Thum doesn't even give any page number for the supposed statement he cut in several places? Btw: I think you haven't realised that this a series of volumes--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not using Wojciechowski but Thum as a source and Thum is correctly cited. For your convenience, the exact reference is: Sosnowski, Kiryl; Suchicki, Mieczyslaw; "Dolny Slask", part I page 10 (Prologue by Wojciechowski). HerkusMonte (talk) 16:56, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Remember to avoid OR. Thum is a reliable scholar and his book is a reliable source. If you have a different RS claiming Thum misquoted or mistranslated Wojciechowski you might add that source. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the full quote, with parts that were cut by Thum in sentences. Also remember that translations aren't classified as OR.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 08:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question to Herkus-why is the full quote not provided, and why is it in German 

message: Not enough expansion? Could be restored if somebody where to add a paragraph or two (). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  21:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK fail? 

message: Herkus, you just removed a large chunk of sourced text with a claim that it was "unencyclopedic". The text was fine, though I'm guessing it's the section heading that set you off. But that's no excuse. There was nothing "unencyclopedic" about the text itself, it was sourced, and is obviously very relevant here. This kind of action - the blanket reversal of someone else's expansion of an article for IDONTLIKEIT reasons - does border on the disruptive.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OOPS, sorry, I meant the section headlines, my mistake. HerkusMonte (talk) 05:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, ok. Cool.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: I added the full quote of foreword of Wojciechowski. Remember that translations are not OR.
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And what exactly is relevant in this quote? Seems to be a case of WP:QUOTEFARM. HerkusMonte (talk) 05:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

text: You introduced the tweaked quote without context. Either remove the manipulated and cut sentence  without context or restore the full quote that isn't manipulated.A summary is also preferable--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is based on Gregor Thum's book, which is available online. The requests are fringe because it is easily verifiable. Wojciechowski "stresses the Polish aspects of the area's history", I don't see any "manipulation" or even a divergent context. Thum is a reliable scholar and his choice of the relevant quote is persuasive. If you think a further quote is needed, please explain why. HerkusMonte (talk) 15:48, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I don't see any "completely different meaning", Thum's quote illustrates W's self-conception and how he defined the role of historiography. Nothing more, nothing less. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thum's quote cuts all the context from Wojciechowski's statement and only shows a short sentence(and even there cuts away much of the material) that he is not objective.Nowhere in Thum's quote is there full context of this statment(the need to write about Polish history after centuries of German domination which resulted in distorted abundance of German history but lack of writing about Polish one) For full understanding we need to provide either the full quote or summary.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If you know a reliable scholar or source, criticizing Thum like that, you might add something about it. Currently it's only what you think about Thum. HerkusMonte (talk) 16:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We are not discussing Thum but the quote and way it is presented in the article. You are confusing two different issues.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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message: He was a politician till 1939. Xx236 (talk) 08:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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