Talk:Andy Kim (singer)

message: He had a hit in 1967 or 1968 called "How'd We Ever Get This Way". If he were truly born in '52, he would have been 15 or 16. Not buying 1952 for a second.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.33.97 (talk) 22:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have my suspicions that the 1952 birth date has been massaged into his bio over the years for vanity purposes. The job appears to have been so thorough over the decades that it has now almost made it difficult to track down current material which bears his actual birth year of 1946. I looked at a number of newspaper stories regarding him from the late 60's and early to mid 70's, and each time his age comes up it seems to correlate with a birth year of 1946. Here's one example of what I'm talking about . His purported age in this article from 1974 is 27, in other words, his birth year is 1946. I suspect that it was during the period in the early 80's when he reinvented his image and adopted the name "Baron Longfellow", that the six years first began to be shaved off in his press releases; knocking him back in terms of his age, from his mid 30's to a much more pop star friendly "late 20's". I have a fair degree of confidence that eventually someone with much more interest in his career and this article than I do, will come along and string enough of these older entertainment news source references together to support a mention of this discrepancy.  cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 06:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's one more possible indicator of the 1946 date, as opposed to 1952. In 1974, Kim gave an interview in which he was quoted as saying that his father had been 65 years of age when he had been born and that his father's current age (in 1974) was 92. If you tally it up, this actually produces a 1947 birth date for Kim, but barring a one year dating slip up by either the articles' writer or Kim himself, it's close enough to make it interesting, although obviously not definitive. If you take the chronology derived from the All Music Guide associated with Derek R Bullamore's link above literally and you accept the 1952 birth year, Mr. Kim was on his own cutting singles in New York City in 1963 at age 11. Although possible, I'd suggest kind of unlikely. It's considerably more believable if he was in fact born in 1946 or thereabouts, making him around 17 at the time. There's definitely something not quite right with the 1952 claim.  cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 00:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Just added references to support the 1946 birth date. UPI and MTV seem to meet WP:RS, as opposed to record shop sites and WP itself (WP:CIRCULAR). Ideally, local and older references such as the The Gazette (Montreal) should be sought for supporting info. Dl2000 (talk) 01:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Please feel free to email Andy Kim with any questions: andy@andykimmusic.com He will be happy to answer. On a side note: Andy Kim is getting a bit annoyed with the irresponsible changes to his information on Wikipedia, especially due to some coming close to libelous. If entries can not be controlled then Wikipedia will be asked to remove the Andy Kim page and any other pages connected to the name Andy Kim." (Betbytes (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

text: When "Andre A. Youakim", a.k.a. "Andry Youakim", a.k.a. "Andre Kim", a.k.a. "Andry Kim" (the record contains all four names) married Sandra Drummond a.k.a. Sandra Crosby in Los Angeles on August 14, 1977, he gave his age as 30 years. That would support a date of birth in the period August 1946–August 1947. Source: Ancestry.com. California Marriage Index, 1960-1985 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2007. — Walloon (talk) 10:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it depends on what you mean by "published" in this context. I don't have any problem with material being included in this article that's derived from a source that meets Wikipedia's criteria for reliability. However I think if "published", in this context, means added material is being sourced to a self published blog or website, an issue may arise. I'm somewhat sceptical about the claim that Kim allegedly was "lying about his age when he first began recording, in order to appear older."  For me, the greatest difficulty in accepting a 1952 birth date for Andy is information like this  (bottom of the page). If we accept his own biographical claims that he left Montreal for New York on his own, where he made his first recordings, and we're looking at those recordings as having been made in 1963; we're stuck with the notion that Mr. Kim was eleven years old at the time. I find it a little hard to believe that any amount of "lying" would convince an adult in the music business that an eleven year old boy was actually 17. A birth date sometime around 1946 makes a whole lot more sense in this context in my opinion. 74.14.25.111 (talk) 06:43, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth 

message: I'm curious, if you consider this the same "Andy Kim" being discussed in the article; why didn't he specifically add that name to the list of variants? It does seem a little odd to me that someone would systematically go to the trouble of listing those names on a form and then leave out the most common variant of their name. Why go the trouble of getting the surname spelling correct? I suppose we can attribute it to someone trying to obfuscate the record in some way, but we have no evidence of that. Apart from the trivial newspaper reference I found linking Kim with someone named "Sandra Crosby", in my opinion we are drawing an inference here in a BLP that could possibly be incorrect. In policy, we're asked to edit biographies of living persons in a "conservative" fashion, because of that, I'd like to see a solid secondary reference that links "our" Andy Kim to the reference you're providing.  cheers Deconstructhis (talk) 22:18, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage data 

message: Due to the rise in notability of Andy Kim (politician), it may be necassary to rename this article to "Andy Kim (musician)" and either rename the politician's page to "Andy Kim", or leave be and create a disambiguation page. From looking at the article traffic statistics, the politician gets more pageviews; this page (the musician) has also received a significant bump in traffic since the election, most likely users who are looking for the politician. Sk5893 (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential article name change

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Moved   (t · c) buidhe 04:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Andy Kim →  – No clear primary topic per 2019 and 2020 pageviews, where only a slim margin separates him and the politician. Disambiguate. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 January 2021 

message: Is the song Andy Kim by the Arrogant Worms worth mentioning here? 2001:9E8:6B5A:2100:E925:CD13:8B10:D806 (talk) 11:09, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Song by the Arrogant Worms