Talk:Tropical Storm Alpha (2005)

message: So, can anyone tell me what this article has that the 2005 season article doesn't/shouldn't? OK, so it was the first time greek letters were used. That's nice. We have a disambig page that explains that, at Tropical Storm Alpha. An article on the notable naming is useful; an article on the storm, which was itself rather unnotable, is not, and should redirect to the season. --Golbez 01:51, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, if nobody has anything more to write about it, the article should be merged back in to 2005 Atlantic hurricane season.  The reason has nothing to do with notability (Alpha wasn't in any way notable, but that's not the point).  The reason is that this article should not exist if that article already has the exact same thing as a summary.  Only if the summary is shorter than the full text should the article exist.  However there's no need for an edit war here.  Since the storm is no longer active, making this decision isn't time-sensitive.  My suggestion is to add  to the article and give people a few weeks to write about it. Jdorje 01:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Simple answer: The death toll. and I wouldn't had gone to all the trouble of creating it if it weren't that high. --Revolución (talk) 19:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, plus it is long enough that the article makes sense and establishes notability. Even though I doubt the name will be retired (26 deaths in Haiti is not exactly worthy of retirement - Gordon killed more than 50x that and wasn't retired after all!) CrazyC83 20:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why does this page exist? 

message: Golbez:  This article is a reasonable addition to wikipedia.  If you are so convinced the article is unnecessay, please go through the AfD process.  Please do not remove the article and replace with a redirect, then label doing so a "minor edit", as you did here.  Thank you:  
::01:52, 28 October 2005 Golbez m (Reverted edits by Titoxd to last version by Golbez) 
—Gaff ταλκ 20:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment:  I think discussing this and perhaps merging into parent article are reasonable.  The above entry was entered because I did not think that simply unilaterally deciding to redirect was appropriate.  —Gaff ταλκ 20:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page clearing 

message: Please stop redirecting this article to the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season article. --Revolución (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirects

message: Why?? Alpha has very little chance of being retired and there could be a Alpha storm next year unless they change the way they name storms.  This should be moved back.  --Holderca1 16:54, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the conversation with the individual that made the change, I changed it back.  --Holderca1 17:29, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, mainly because there have been Alphas in the past. Tropical Storm Alpha should be the disambiguation page. CrazyC83 16:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tropical Storm Alpha (2005) -> Tropical Storm Alpha

message: Good content, but this has too much of a work-in-progress feel so I put it at Start-class.
*Main problem is I think this hasn't been really updated with official information.  Given the irregular sources it's hard to verify death or damage numbers.  Just as an example the first sentence in the Haiti section does not add up because the two parts come from conflicting sources.
*Sources.  Lots of sources are provided, just change them to reference notation.
*Pictures.  I'm sure some impact pictures can be found.
Jdorje 09:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly recommend you withdraw you GA nomination. There are dozens of typos, the impact section is very short (what about the death in the Bahamas?), and there's no mention of the storm being absorbed by Wilma in the storm history (it's stated in the lede), and those are just three things I noticed in one quick glance. Please clean up the article, and look at it thoroughly (and please do not go through it once, clean up a few things, and claim it to be done; please spend some serious time and effort before asking for re-assessment). --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:00, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done with the typos, I changed some wording, I fixed the SH, and I am still looking for more impact, although I did add a little bit. Is it good enough to stay at GAN now? Juliancolton (talk) 13:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there are still typos! The writing is, overall, not so good, and the impact is pretty short for a storm that killed 43. I'm concerned in how you considered deaths indirect or direct. This is clearly not good enough for GA status, and it will take much more work to get it there. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This doesn't make sense; I ran a spell checker in it several times, and it comes up with nothing. As for the impact, I am still looking. However, the only info I have found so far just says the deaths. Well, is it at least B? Juliancolton (talk) 15:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't call it B class, personally. As I said, there are still typos, several unsourced statements, the storm history is awkward, and better impact. There's some more impact from the TCR, but, regarding the deaths, I still very much have a problem calling some deaths direct and others indirect, when the sources don't say if it was either. --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure what the difference between a direct and an indirect deaths is. But, I will continue working. Juliancolton (talk) 16:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, there are still several aspects of the article that are inadequate, and thus I recommend you withdraw the GA, particularly since you are still working on it (thus failing the stability criterion). As I said before, please do not go through it once, clean up a few things, and claim it to be done; please spend some serious time and effort before asking for re-assessment). --♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I rewrote the entire SH, the lede, the impact, and some of the naming. I don't call that cleaning up a few things. ;) Anyway, I will withdraw, but when I am done working on it, I will put it back up. Juliancolton (talk) 16:33, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Todo

message: Is it just me, or does this sentence make no sense at all? A tropical wave, which had started out from Africa about October 15, then reached the Windward Islands on October 19 and organized into a tropical depression about 180 miles southwest of San Juan, Puerto Rico, on October 22. Juliancolton (talk) 00:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Makes sense to me. Unless I am missing something, that is pretty standard for Atlantic storms generated from tropical waves. Plasticup T/C 16:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Huh?