Talk:John Philip Sousa

message: It looks like the media links went dead. Anyone know what happened? Were they always dead? Mirror Vax 22:02, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Answering my own question: they were erroneously deleted in a mass purge of suspected copyrighted files. Mirror Vax 02:31, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead media links 

message: The date has been "corrected" to 1892. This needs vetting. --Wetman 08:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: King Cotton 1895

message: Was he called "John Philip" by his friends and family, or just "John"?  When he met someone, did he say "Hi, I'm John Philip Sousa", or just "Hi, I'm John Sousa"?  Was there any other composer named John Sousa from whom it is necessary to distinguish?  --  JackofOz (talk) 01:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you.  --  JackofOz (talk) 21:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Why John ''Philip'' Sousa?

message: more often his birthday is given as 6th of November... (like Adolphe Sax ;-)
Can anyone clear this up? Y23 (talk) 11:52, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: born 5th or 6th?

message: Looks like this article's been cleaned up and expanded. And that part about him running away to join the circus is gone. Kudos to all the contributors
--76.86.234.41 (talk) 09:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But he did try to run away and join the circus... SousaFan88 (talk) 02:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Great Job

message: ...reads like it was lifted from someplace. The tone of it is more like a review than an encyclopedia entry. There were a number of changes made on July 8, 2006, or so, that are like that. I'm tempted to scrap it and start over. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article...

message: It is mentioned several times in the article that his parents were refugees, yet the provided source does not mention so even once. any reason for this, or just an assumption? Galf (talk) 15:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only mentioned once (not several times), but you are correct that the source does not corroborate the statement.  I have never read any mention of the immigration status of his paternal grandparents.  I support removing the claim. Dlovrien (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't check the history to see if the edit was made, but I'll remove it now.  It was clearly not in the source, and his grandparents weren't even mentioned. Ufwuct (talk) 20:03, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Refugees

message: I am continually amazed at the attributions to Freemasons. Yes, John Philip Sousa was a Freemason, but it had nothing to do with copper, as the reference implies. Gee, everyone, just how silly can we be!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.10 (talk) 21:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: let's not be silly

message: Where does this come from? His grandparents were refugees. There's no mention of any family wealth from his parents or his wife, but there is one mention of him "being independently wealthy" with no mention of HOW he became independently wealthy. Was it just from his marches? 
There's a huge gap between his grandparents being refugees and Sousa being independently wealthy that is never explained.--Elmyr (talk) 03:29, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was primarily from his marches.  Sousa sold his first marches for only $35 a piece.  After Sousa hired David Blakley as his business manager, Blakely arranged a change of publishers.  His next few marches made him rich. More info here. -- Dlovrien (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If this is true and referencable, why isn't it in the article that he had a manager who was responsible for his financial success?  (See my review for more comments in this vein.) Magic♪piano 20:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Being Independently Wealthy"

message: I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles.  This article is B-class, but I find the biographic and musicological treatment to be somewhat superficial.  My detailed review is on the comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 20:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for this.  Upgrading this article would be a great project for a music grad student! Dlovrien (talk) 19:30, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed.  Especially if s/he has regular access to the right kinds of musicological resources... Magic♪piano 23:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Composer project review

message: Does the "life of the composer plus 75 years" rule mean that all of Sousa's compositions are now in the public domain in the US?  Or, more broadly: are there any copyright restrictions on his compositions anywhere in the world now?  If it were all public domain, it would be nice to mention that. Musanim (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright status of Sousa's compositions

message: El Capitan is the title of both an operetta and a march by Sousa. For the operetta, putting a date on it is troublesome. Who knows the sequence of dates of composition, copyright, first performance, and publication? I have seen dates of 1895 and 1896 for the operetta, with a first performance date in 1897. For the march, I have seen dates of 1894, 1895, and 1896. The 1894 date could be a typo. In its Sousa Album for the Pianoforte, Theodore Presser Co. showed a copyright date of "MDCCCXCIV" [1894]. Should this have been "MDCCCXCVI" [1896]? If the 1894 date is correct, then the march was copyrighted prior to the composition of the operetta.
Prismsplay (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is entirely possible that the march was composed (and copyrighted) before the rest of the operetta; I have not done any research into this matter, nor do I plan to do so. — Robert Greer (talk) 13:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyright date of "El Capitan" march

message: If you'd rather, I've just done a restoration of a poster from the original run, that could replace the sheet music (if desired). Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: El Capitan

message: The article referenced as the source for the story about this march being lost for a hundred years seems like a very poorly researched piece - I personally have at least two recordings of the march both made in the 1970's including one by the US Marine Band.  Including the comment above about Freemasonry, I humbly suggest the removal of this particular paragraph. Mhf1953 (talk) 22:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would support removing nearly all of the Freemason section - it is trivial to an article of this scope. A single sentence mentioning that he was a Freemason would be sufficient. Dlovrien (talk) 19:19, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Transit Of Venus March

message: I was asked which religion Sousa was, and had trouble finding that fact online, so I thought I'd add the information here after I located it in a book.  It seemed most related to the existing section on his involvement with Freemasonry, especially since I thought Freemasons were much more religious than Sousa seemed to be.  I added it as the lead paragraph in that section only because that's how it seemed to fit best with the existing text. (Herzogbr (talk) 02:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Sousa's religion

message: Would like to get a Midi (or have someone play on piano manually and record) the composition Myrrha Gavotte (piano arrangement).  Sheet music available on the web and song is public domain.  Does NOT need to be a perfect recording.  Just want something (for a different article on Myrrha herself, not Sousa).  Help?  TCO (talk) 03:07, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  looking for help getting a sound recorded 

message: I  talking about Sousa's opinion of the National Emblem march because it didn't seem appropriate to me to include in this article. It would be perfectly legitimate in Bagley's article or the one on the march itself, but I really don't think it goes here. I was reverted by the editor who originally added the text, though, so I'm bringing it here for further discussion. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sousa's opinion of National Emblem 

message: Shouldn't "Sousa" be pronounced s-ô-z-a rather than s-oo-s-a (ô as in french 'eau')? It is, after all a Portuguese name, no matter the nationality of the person. 4ndrepd (talk) 21:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znUKyIv4Yrk Bryard (talk) 23:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Portuguese Pronounciation

message: Minnesota March
By John Philip Sousa, Arranged by Frank Bencriscutto, Words by Michael Jalma 
Listen to Minnesota March: [MP3 1,490K]
RAH! RAH! SKI-U-MAH! RAH! RAH! RAH!
March on, march on to victory!
Loyal sons of the varsity.
Fight on, fight on for Minnesota
For the glory of the old maroon and gold.
March on, march on to win the game,
DOWN THE FIELD, fighting every play.
We're with you, team, fighting team,
Hear our song, we cheer along
To help you win a victory!
Sdbarker (talk) 18:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a Gophers fan too, but what's your point about improving this page? Ckruschke (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Minnesota March is also one of Sousa's well known works 

message: How are Sousa's bands characterized? Did he use trumpets or cornets? Were his bands more in the style of British military bands or were they symphonic in nature? Virgil H. Soule (talk) 11:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sousa's Bands 

message: Supposedly Sousa and T. M. Turner were friends.  Should I suspect, if they did meet, it was in Baltimore? Cake (talk) 14:13, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: T. M. Turner

message: In writing The Oolah, it appears that Sousa probably wrote the orchestration; see my text in progress there if you have any interest or think it a fact worth mentioning in this article.  Sousa apparently did other work for Francis Wilson (actor), who is not currently mentioned in the article.--Milowent • hasspoken 14:51, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[The Oolah]] 

message: Substituted at 20:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: I wasn't sure how to mention in an edit that this article implies the JPS Foundation began issuing awards in the 1980s.  But I received the JPS Award in 1978, and I think it was around long before that.  Maybe someone can research this further and make a formal edit.  Thanks.  ````Jason Ford, El Cajon, Calif.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:8903:D100:F42B:6AFC:63AF:CFD3 (talk) 16:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  JPS award 

message: can someone with prose abilties work in the subtle reference to SS John Philip Sousa !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave Rave (talk • contribs) 06:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  the liberty ship 

message: I have been bold and done some re-wording in the lead. To me, it seemed to read rather like "From 1880 until his death, he focused exclusively on conducting and writing music, and after his death he eventually rejoined the Marine Band", so I moved the "From 1880 until his death" bit to later in the paragraph. Also, I could see no reason to say "eventually" when we know the exact year, so I changed it ti 1880, and also added that he performed on the violin in the years in between.
I also took out "who is also known as 'The March King" from the sentence, "He is known as 'The March King' or the 'American March King', to distinguish him from his British counterpart Kenneth J. Alford who is also known as 'The March King, as I consider it redundant.  2001:BB6:4713:4858:8DBE:E82E:BB6:69C8 (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to lead 

message: Why is there no mention of any of the minstrel songs his band played? Also why no mention of his “Indian” music? Maybe make this entry look less like a list of accomplishments and more like an encyclopedia article? 173.81.120.144 (talk) 03:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy