Talk:Supertramp

message: Readers new to Supertramp might not realize that the band featured two different lead vocalists (possibly more? I'm not an expert here), and that each were featured on songs that became either chart hits or staples of classic rock radio. While Supertramp is not the only high-profile rock band to have more than one widely recognized vocalist, it's still much more common for bands to have a single primary voice. (And in Supertramp's case, the bandmembers didn't individually become celebrities with household names, so it would be especially helpful for orienting new listeners.)
I'd propose a short section detailing the history of how the band split up the vocals, and giving representative well-known songs featuring each of the band's main vocalists (I'm assuming this would be just Davies and Hodgson).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.131.196.213 (talk) 22:40, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead Vocals

message: I removed this from the Trivia section. The critic is not notable and the comment is so strong as to be more of diatribe than anything else. It does not seem like trivia:
* Australian rock journalist and critic Toby Creswell named them as "probably the worst rock and roll group" in his 2005 compendium 1001 songs.     --Anon Y. Mouse 23:40, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A writer on British music weekly “Sounds” once referred to them as “Genesis for Canadians”.  I'm not sure who would find this the most insulting… Mr Larrington (talk) 11:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Why is this album not in the lists? I got it, so it's definitely for real. --80.63.213.182 14:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Very Best of Supertramp 

message: The Discography links Crime of the Centuary to a disambiguation page rather than the actual album page. I can't figure out how to fix that 216.208.84.121 17:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: A bit of original research from me, so I haven't put it in the main article - but Supertramp were broken in the UK by Capital Radio. They recorded Crime of the Century in Euston Studios, in the same building where Capital Radio were based. The then fledgling Capital Radio played Dreamer pretty remorselessly before its release, Nicky Horne being the main promoter if I recall correctly. Capital Radio also pushed the boundaries of UK radio at the time by playing Bloody Well Right which was risque at the time - what larks! This affiliation  also helped define a different approach to music on Capital than their only real competitor at the time, BBC Radio 1 Spenny 23:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capital Radio 

message: I am pretty sure that the track "Lady" from the album Crisis?, What Crisis? was a successful single in the UK in 1975, possibly top 10. Doesn't seem to be in the singles list.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.1.48 (talk) 13:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope; it didn't even chart in the UK. You're probably thinking of "Lady" by Kenny Rogers, which made it to #12. For future reference, www.theofficialcharts.com archives everything from the UK Singles Chart, so you can find out if a song charted there and how high in about 25 seconds.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:50, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lady" from Crisis, What Crisis in singles chart 

message: A number of the Supertramp songs (Bloody Well Right, Crime of the Century, School, at least) redirect to this page. It's confusing be be on an album page and click on a link and get sent to the band page. These should be deleted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.209.19 (talk) 02:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects 

message: I think it would make sense to merge the Supertramp_discography article with the Supertramp article under the discography section, rather than having two seperate pages.
Does anyone else agree?
Dean Sharpe (talk) 18:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging of Articles 

message: Under "Beginnings" we read: "The band was called Daddy from August 1969 to January 1970, at which time this was changed to Supertramp, a name taken from W.H. Davies' book, The Autobiography of a Super-Tramp, published in 1908."  But in The_Autobiography_of_a_Super-Tramp we read: "The band Supertramp came up with their name independently, only learning later that a book containing this word was already in print."  Citations anyone?
Jbmweb1 (talk) 05:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well almost. On the band's own website.... it's only reviewer P. Robichaud who credits Davies' 1908 book for origin of the band's name. Hardly definitive. Citations anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I read "As far as anyone can remember, it was Richard Palmer who came up with the name _Supertramp_ from the book _A Autobiography of a Supertramp_ (sic) written by R.H. Davies in 1910..." in Martin Melhuish's "The Supertramp book" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Supertramp-Book-Martin-Melhuish/dp/092015106X Pkoppenb (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Is it a coincidence that W.H. Davies and Rick Davies share their last name? Are they related?75.44.29.211 (talk) 08:45, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  conflicting info on name origin 

message: The copious amount of material on Roger's solo career is misplaced -- it belongs on Roger's page, not on the Supertramp page.  It's good stuff, mind you.  Just misplaced.  99.254.220.44 (talk) 02:49, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know why, but someone seems determined to revert to a rather disorganized previous version of the page.  Seeing as (with the exception of the extraneous Hodgson material) no content has been added or subtracted -- just reorganized and tweaked to flow better -- what's the justification? 99.254.220.44 (talk) 01:23, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

text: 81.129.84.72 (talk) 01:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  General clean-up

message: the band collaborated with David Gilmour on more than one occasion, such as the saxophone on Terminal Frost as well as Gilmour's guitar on Brother Where You Bound (song), so shouldnt he be considered as an associated musician, as well as possibly Roger Hodgson's solo career?--72.71.251.182 (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely an associated act. Never knew about the Terminal Frost collab. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ τ ¢ 18:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Nope, definitely not an associated act. Another editor already removed Gilmour from the list of associated acts, but just to provide the justification here: Template: Infobox musical artist explicitly says that the field should not be used for "One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song". The only collaboration between Supertramp and Gilmour was his guitar soloing on "Brother Where You Bound"; Helliwell alone was involved with Terminal Frost, not Supertramp.--Martin IIIa (talk) 18:59, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Associated acts 

message: A French website says that the band without Hodgson will reunite later this year.  We should wait for an official announcement from Power Steering Management before we put it in the article.  We don't wanna get people's hopes up if it's not true. FotoPhest (talk) 01:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reunion rumour 

message: Why was the information about Dutch millionaire Stanley August Miesegaes edited out of this article?  I would say it's fairly relevant, particularly given the fact that the band reached a significant turning point after he withdrew his financial support for the band.  The band basically had to reshape their sound a bit and thereby became commercially successful!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.39.99 (talk) 04:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing Miesegaes info? 

message: The current version of this article says: "Hodgson and Davies composed the songs while Palmer wrote the lyrics."  Is there any basis for this claim?  The Supertramp album itself says simply "All words and music by Richard Davies, Roger Hodgson, and Richard Palmer", so if in fact Davies and Hodgson wrote all the music and Palmer wrote all the lyrics, that statement needs a reference.  I have found similar claims in Richard Palmer-James, Roger Hodgson, and Supertramp (album), and in all four articles the claim is unreferenced. I also checked the article histories, but none of the editors who added these statements provided any explanation (with the exception of Supertramp (album), where the editor notes that he got the information from the Palmer-James article).  This all gives me the impression that this is just a rumor that has been making the rounds on Wikipedia.  If anyone has genuine reason to believe that Palmer wrote all the lyrics and Davies/Hodgson all the music to Supertramp, please post it here; otherwise, we'll have to delete that claim.--Martin IIIa (talk) 14:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I've found a reference which confirms that Palmer wrote all the lyrics. Anyone have evidence for the other half, i.e. that Davies and Hodgson wrote all the music?--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

text: ...No one?  Okay then, I'll go delete that claim.--Martin IIIa (talk) 17:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Martin Melhuish's "The Supertramp book" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Supertramp-Book-Martin-Melhuish/dp/092015106X, p. 33: "Rick would come up with an interesting chord progression, Roger would put a melody on top of the chords and Richard would put lyrics to the melody. That, with variations, was the general mode of creation these days." But the way you put it seems OK to me, Martin IIIa. Pkoppenb (talk) 21:52, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

text:  As stated here, Palmer's interview is not notable/reliable for the statement that Davies/Hodgson were "unwilling to write the lyrics." QuietestMoments (talk) 17:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Songwriting Credits

message: Supertramp progressive? I do not agree. Peculiar is not the same thing as progressive. 192.139.122.42 (talk) 21:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Progressive Rock

message: We have a problem. Depending on which part of the article you're looking at, either Robert Millar was the original drummer for Supertramp, Keith Baker was the original drummer and Millar came on to replace him, or the band originally had two drummers. My assumption would be that the second is correct, but I don't remember hearing of Baker's involvement with Supertramp before, and I can't seem to turn up any references that mention him being in the band(though I'm still looking). Anybody know which is the real story so that we can fix this contradiction in the article?--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:25, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: found it, in Martin Melhuish's "The Supertramp book" http://www.amazon.co.uk/Supertramp-Book-Martin-Melhuish/dp/092015106X again, p. 31. As drummer Daddy had Nigel Olsson for a short period, then Keith Baker for a longer one and finally Bob Millar. Pkoppenb (talk) 22:02, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Woah, I hadn't heard of that book before. I'll have to check it out; I was just about to post here inquiring if anyone knew where to find reliable information on who wrote what on the albums from Crime of the Century through ...famous last words.... There have been a ton of unsourced claims of "Roger Hodgson wrote this" and "Rick Davies wrote that" on the various Supertramp-related articles, so it would be great to have a reliable source which straightens out the facts on at least a few of these compositions.--Martin IIIa (talk) 18:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, the list on Roger Hodgson's website is inaccurate, and even contradicts statements made by Hodgson himself in interviews. For instance, it lists "Even in the Quietest Moments" as purely a Hodgson composition, yet in interviews held back in the 1970s Hodgson gave detailed accounts of how he and Davies wrote it together.--NukeofEarl (talk) 16:52, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keith Baker and Robert Millar 

message: Variations on the following statement have long appeared in a number of Supertramp-related articles without citation: "Thomson has refused to take part in these reunions, out of principle, due to Rick Davies breaking his original agreement with Roger Hodgson that he wouldn't perform any of Hodgson's songs since his departure from the group." Needless to say, this is a very loaded claim, and it can't be just left on Wikipedia without any substantiation. I had hoped someone would come along with a supporting reference before long, or that I myself would stumble upon something. That hasn't happened, so I think it's time we brought these articles into line with WP rules about living persons, one way or another. I'll give it three days, and if in that time we still don't have a reliable source backing up this claim, I'm deleting it from every article it appears in. So if anyone here has been sitting on a good reference, now would be the time to share it.--Martin IIIa (talk) 18:42, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Change of plans: I just stumbled on this interview with Thomson on Breakfast in Spain. Thomson gives a number of reasons for the end of his involvement with Supertramp, and not one of them has anything to do with the band playing Hodgson's compositions. Furthermore, he claims that he didn't even know that Davies and Hodgson had made such an agreement! While the source is obviously not cite-able due to its being a fan site, it casts more than a bit of doubt on the veracity of the statement. This being the case, I think WP policy dictates that it should be removed immediately. If anyone digs up anything about Thomson from a notable/reliable source, please put it up.--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last call on Dougie Thomson info 

message: I've reverted 71.17.231.65's June additions of Canadian chart placings to the article. While I suspect that most if not all of these placings are correct, 71.17.231.65 provided no source for any of these placings, and unfortunately I don't have access to any means of confirming them. I posted a query about 71.17.231.65's source for the Canadian chart placings on his talk page well over a month ago, but have received no reply, even though 71.17.231.65 has edited on Wikipedia during that time. I can only conclude this means he does not have a reliable source for the information.
If anyone can provide a good source for Supertramp's chart placings in Canada, it would be much appreciated!--NukeofEarl (talk) 14:38, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian chart placings 

message: It does not seem reasonable to me to remove statements that Davies/Hodgson are the band's founders, as every band has founders (?) QuietestMoments (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founders 

message: It has become widely documented that Davies/Hodgson composed their own songs separately, despite sharing writing credits. Their publisher's agreement is legally binding as to owning copyright on their respective songs. Much like Lennon/McCartney it is not unreasonable to state who the actual composers are, especially with numerous cited and reputable sources. Also, Hodgson contributed more to the band than just "playing keyboards," he'd composed and arranged many of the band's most successful songs. QuietestMoments (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songwriting Credits / Shared credits of songs 

message: Again, this is a very paraphrased statement by Melhuish; there was no apparent "personality conflict" between Hodgson/Davies - later in the article it even states there were no personal problems. It is then rational to include a first-hand account from Hodgson pertaining to their relationship, as opposed to a loosely based statement. QuietestMoments (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personality Conflicts 

message: It is baffling how it is not relevant to include the success of their breakout album Crime of the Century and "Dreamer" as their first hit single that essentially made them world-renowned. QuietestMoments (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Success 

message: Considering that 'Breakfast' is their best-selling album, it would be relevant to include background info on the recording sessions and the rigorous attention paid to the outcome of the album. QuietestMoments (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breakfast in America recording sessions 

message: We're is incorrect in English English or from anywhere else.
Supertramp is a singular band.
Should there not be at least a minimal education allowed before editing? Rustygecko (talk) 08:16, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Bands are treated as plural entities in British English, so the word "were" is correct. The word "we're" is a contraction of the two words "we are", which makes no grammatical sense at all. Yes, I'd agree with your "minimal education" suggestion. Good luck with your English English Wikipedia. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was 

message: When you click on the “Crisis? What Crisis?” link, it brings you to the definition of the word “crisis” instead of the the page for the Crisis? What Crisis? album. I don’t know how to fix this. Blad514 (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link to “Crisis? What Crisis?” album 

message: I started an RfC for this issue: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#RfC_for_how_we_refer_to_the_nationalities_of_bands_with_mixed_line-ups ili (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC

message: There is currently a trial going on between the former members of the band over a royalties dispute. Might be good to add that to the current history.
https://www.phillaw.com/news/trial-begins-against-supertramp-co-founder-roger-hodgson 96.74.104.253 (talk) 17:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supertramp Royalties Trial