Talk:British Shorthair/Archive 1

message: I changed the intellecutually vandalized image back to Happycat because I believe that Happycat represents the species better as a whole.  Also, Happycat is not copywritten or trademarked.  If you can find me the company that uses Happycat as its logo, then I will revert to the other British Shorthair. Goldenclaw 23:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Image isn't free read Wikipedia:Copyrights.Geni 15:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: The search for Happycat does not come here. —ptk✰fgs 03:44, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Changed Image

message: Most of the users that posted in this comments page prefer the image of Happycat over that other cat, and denying information about the meme in the article is just uninformative.  We want Happycat.  Don't let Wikipedia turn into a totalitarian death camp because of a couple of elites' ideas on what should and shouldn't be displayed on a public webpage. Goldenclaw 23:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will block for vandalism any user who uploads an image of Happycat over the existing image, and will delete an unsourced Happycat image on sight. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 23:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was under the impression we were a democratic group of persons, not a facist one. --Snake Liquid 02:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you might want to see WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_an_experiment_in_democracy. In any case copyright law isn't decided by wikipedia but rather the goverments of nation states.Geni 02:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was talking about user conduct and listening to other people instead of outright ignoring what they say and doing what one wants because they think they're some sort of elite. --Snake Liquid 02:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm listening. As and when you or anyone shows that the image is PD, GFDL or the right type of CC it inclusion in some form can be considered. Until then It will be deleted on sight. Uploaders would be wise to consider that blocking policy allows us to block people who upload copyvios.Geni 02:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See? That's more like it. People could learn from your example when it comes to article moderation.--Snake Liquid 02:43, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: If somehow the happycat image passes through copyright, which picture goes into British Shorthair? Clearly, I support the non-Happycat & more-encyclopedic picture, but YTMND (and I've seen this in the past) could easily gather up enough support for users to signup for Wikipedia and vote for the Happycat version, and sorting out the YTMND-biased votes will be very, very difficult. --Targetter 02:44, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt that would happen but the article is currently long enough for both to be included.Geni 02:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it worth putting both pictures in, though? Isn't one picture of a cat for encyclopedic purposes enough? YTMNDers just want their picture in because it's a popular fad of theirs. A common user would probably not be too thrilled with such a picture (although they might get a good laugh), and the picture certainly wouldn't make it into a paper wikipedia, compared to the current one. --Targetter 03:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

text: First of all, the Happycat image is not free. When a free image is available, it should be used in place of the copyrighted image. We've more than established that. Secondly, Just because the fad made its way around SomethingAwful and YTMND does not make it notable enough to be included in a breed description. You Lose! Good Day, Sir! --Targetter 23:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

text: link happy now?Geni 23:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:   "We" refers to the hundreds of YTMND users who saw this page through their webpage, and now some decided to go to this article. You don't actually care about the article itself at all, or any other related article. The opinion doesn't refer to actual people who would search for "British Shorthair" on wikipedia. You just want the first image there for your own strange reasons. You have your own "wiki" for YTMND, if you like you can go make a "British Shorthair" article there and you can put as many "happycat" pictures into it as you like. Not many people would object! Xioyux 00:38, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: We obviously prefer Happycat.

message: Does anyone have one single reliable source that mentions Happycat? Has Happycat ever been covered in the news, or another non-trivial mention in a published work? Until the answer is yes, you can vote all you want, but it won't make a whit of difference, because WP:V is not open to negotiation. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any reliable sources, and I doubt that http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Happycat&defid=1406003 is really a reliable source. --TheM62Manchester 08:07, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You would be correct in that assessment. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 08:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  We now have the usual idiocy, a YTMND actively soliciting YTMNDers to come and vandalise this article.  Any who do, I will block.  Just zis Guy you know? 15:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:RS|Reliable sources]] 

message: It would be nice if experienced Wikipedians would stop responding to trolling and get on with the encyclopedia.  Would it help if I semiprotected this talk page? --Tony Sidaway 17:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair point.  Just zis Guy you know? 17:24, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would be very nice. Xioyux 17:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, please. I'll keep an eye on this article, but I'll get back to the RC Patrol too.--Targetter 17:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've semitprotected, since that seems like a smart move.  I will remove the trolling, if nobody objects? Just zis Guy you know? 17:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Trolling, semiprotection?

message: The British Shorthair is a domesticated cat originally bred in the United Kingdom by the Victorians to resemble bulldogsCan anyone provide some sort of source for this?  It seems a little hard to believe. --NEMT 19:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about this instead: "The British Blue can be regarded as the feline equivalent of the British Bulldog" ? --Targetter (Lock On) 20:30, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's vague. What does "equivalent" mean when comparing breeds across species? Although it seems reasonable, neither of the cat breed books I have confirms the "by the Victorians to resemble bulldogs" claim. —ptk⁂fgs 20:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Another quote from the same page It'll have to be modified for wikipedia use: "... Like a bull dog, a British Blue Shorthair has thick, short legs on a heavily muscled body. With broad shoulders and powerful hips, the British is affectionately referred as the body builder or bull dog of the cat fancy." --Targetter (Lock On) 20:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need to be careful to keep the article focused on the British Shorthair in general; although blue selfs certainly are the most popular, there are examples with many coat patterns and colors recognized by the major breeding associations. Other than that, I think that page mages a persuasive argument for comparison with bulldogs. —ptk⁂fgs 20:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All great but unless its sourced and verifyable, it shouldn't be in there. Actually i think Persians are more like bulldogs with their flat faces, and short legs. But that's all OR unless someone gets a source. pschemp | talk 04:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bulldogs?

message: It's NEDM cat! - MSTCrow 09:57, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out. I have fixed the image. —ptk✰fgs 10:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woot 

message: Would you mind awfully much fucking off and vandalising eBaum for a while?   Thank you so much.  Just zis Guy you know? 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A message for the YTMNDers 

message: I really think Happycat should be mentioned. If you have a problem with it, delete the Internet Memes article. Or the YTMND article. --DJ the Raptor 17:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or delete it from here.  Oh, we have.  Jolly good. Just zis Guy you know? 18:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What the hell do you have against Happycat? Wait. Sratch that. What do you have against YTMND? --DJ the Raptor 22:58, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously, think about it. The site might has a few thousand users. Outside of that, there are very few people who give a crap. It makes sense to put something in the YTMND article (only just), but otherwise it is useless. What is the significance of a joke that made a few thousand people laugh in 2006? This will and should be forgotten in a few months. --liquidGhoul 23:10, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just not important enough to be included on Wikipedia. And to others on this talk page (not saying that anyone does have personal issues with YTMND), but this is not the place for you to vent your frustrations. Please deal with this issue with a neutral view. Pacific Coast Highway {blah • I'm a hot toe picker • WP:NYCS} 17:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

text: And the reliable secondary sources are?.... Just zis Guy you know? 19:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Beats the hell outta me. I just mentioned it for the sake of mentioning it. I don't want it as the picture. You know me better than that... --Targetter (Lock On) 03:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Personally, I'm growing fond of the cat that they have on this article in the French Wikipedia. —ptk✰fgs 05:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some cute ones over at de too. —ptk✰fgs 05:21, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Altogether now:  Aaaaaaah! :-) Just zis Guy you know? 09:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I think we should use the German article's cat. Unobstructed, cute, and more of an everyday cat than that blue one. --Targetter (Lock On) 02:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure. I think the en photo is a better photo, and the cat books I have say that the blue self is pretty much the prototypical British Shorthair. —ptk✰fgs 02:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True... besides which, "Stoic Cat" is starting to catch on. This is a fascinating discussion, by the way. --dragfyre 02:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The blue is the most common colour for British. I have been to a few breeders, and I can't remember ever seeing white, though tabby and ginger are pretty common (still less common than blue). I will dig up a larger photo, and upload it. Don't know why I uploaded one so small, must have been on dial-up. --liquidGhoul 05:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Stoic Cat? Take off every 'link'! For Great Justice. --Targetter (Lock On) 21:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think there should be a major talk about Happycat in this article, but I think it should be mentioned that Happycat is a British Shorthair, other than that, nothing else should be said. The town I live in has less than 4,000 people in it and it's an article on Wikipedia. Since there are so many people loving Happycat, why not just say simply "The infamous Happycat from YTMND is a famous British Shorthair". And that's it.
Bingo. I don't see why not,if it stops YTMNDers from vandalising the article.--The jazz musician 03:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: What? If they resort to vandalism, then we should not give them what they want to stop. They are too immature to persist with this, and they will eventually give up. We can talk, and try an reach concensus, but there has been no good argument to include this. As for the argument about it being valid because a town of 4000 people has an article. That town of 4000 people has had a history which has involved thousands, if not millions, of people. There is a large number of people which would find that article useful. This stupid affair is about a joke which entertained a few thousand people in 2006! Is there one article on a similar joke during 342BCE? --liquidGhoul 07:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Except ... it's not even a British Shorthair. Not all cats with blue coats are British Shorthairs. —ptk✰fgs 15:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Happycat isn't a British Shorthair? What breed is it then? (serious question, I don't have any real opinions on this article re: YTMNDification or not. Although I do agree with The Jazz Musician about what harm can a single sentence do in the Famous British Shorthairs section. IF it is indeed a British Shorthair, of course) --Loccy 11:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He does look remarkedly like one, but we would need references stating his breed, otherwise it is original research. --liquidGhoul 12:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By that token, do we have a reference that categorically states the Whiskas cat is a British shorthair? In any case, do Whiskas have a single specific cat these days? --194.128.66.118 16:07, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  It Should be Mentioned 

message: I just wanted to say I think it's a shame so much energy has been spent on this page yet almost none of it has been put into anything besides adding and reverting the words NEDM and happycat. Happycat aside this is a popular breed. I think this can still be a better article. AFink 00:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Truce anyone?