Talk:James McNeill Whistler

message: Things that should definitely be added to the article:
* Courbet.
* Joanna Hiffernan.
Sam Hocevar 03:03, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: "After the Ruskin trial, everything he mentioned or wrote about his work, and especially everything he told his biographers was done in a way in which he could dissociate himself from the English school of painting. His main purpose was to lose any relations he had with the couple of enemies he had made among the Royal Academicians, and the artists who he had been close to during the 1860's. Despite his attempts to give the notion that he did not belong to any school, he is without a doubt one of the few Victorian painters who is known for revitalizing the 'grand manner' of British painting. [James McNeil Whistler, 23]"
The quotation doesn't seem to bear on any particular source, and it makes unverified and unsupported statements about Whistler's activities after the trial - some that I think definitely incorrect, having read contemporary articles in the New York Times wishing that Whistler would visit the country as he and his work did so infrequently.
Also:
I'd like to link these articles (about Whistler's publication of The Gentle Art of Making Enemies, and another individual attack on a critic) to show more of his biting wit, and further add to the biographical detail which is really quite sparse. 
I'd also like to resolve some of the bizarre page sections. It makes no sense to me why the moderate success of Whistler's Mother is recorded as the first section of his Controversies. 
I'd like to discover some sources about what it was of the White Girl that caused controversy. Cartoons show it as being a notable inclusion in the Salon des Refuses, and I know it was liked by some. I don't know that it received any note-worthy, negative review. And I'll place the painting in its correct place on the page.
Finally, I'd think it best to note the uncertainty of the identification of Jo as the lady in Courbet's  L'Origine du monde.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocarrollcian (talk • contribs) 01:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Should this be cut?

message: I have also cut the following paragraph as unduly subjective. This, and the snippit above, appear to have been taken verbatim from the 1911 Britannica. --Worldofdew 13:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  And this 

message: What does this mean? 
:for Whistler embraced a refined aesthetic while at the same time wielding a formidable public persona
Surely this could be reworded into something clearer. WhiteCat 07:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening section 

message: Recently the file :File:James Abbott McNeill Whistler by Walter Greaves.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 00:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Dcoetzee. A better and more famous portrait of Whistler is by Chase:  JNW (talk) 00:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a problem, up to your editorial discretion. :-) Dcoetzee 06:20, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New file [[:File:James Abbott McNeill Whistler by Walter Greaves.jpg]] 

message: The article, matching the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, gives a date of birth of 10th July 1834.
The New York Times here, http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/20080714.html , says 14th July.
Which is right? ChapterandVerse (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think such a letter is conclusive.  She may have started it on 10 July, was interrupted, and finished it on 11 July.  The birthdate of 11 July is not supported by any reputable sources, is it?  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 09:33, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I looked at the International Dictionary of Art and Artists, Almanac of Famous People, Encyclopedia of World Biography, Dictionary of American Biography, and Merriam Webster's Biographical Dictionary.  They all say July 10th.  I am changing and citing those sources. --LibraryGurl (talk) 19:15, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Now it's been changed to 11 July, with the edit summary quoting various apparently good sources.   Unfortunately, the unregistered editor changed the infobox and the main text, but not the lede.  Either way, this now needs urgent attention.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 23:26, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if he was born near midnight. Reliable sources have given either date since at least 1910 (as in this Met catalogue from 1910). Joseph Pennell knew him well; his biography of Whistler gives July 10 as the birthdate. So does Kate McDiarmid in Whistler's Mother: Her Life, Letters, and Journals, (1936), p. 26, evidently either distrusting or overlooking the evidence of the birthday letters. Victoria Charles (James McNeill Whistler, 2011, p. 9) has July 10. Other reliable sources, including Oxford art Online, have July 11. I see that I've previously supported July 11 myself, citing Encyclopedia Britannica. I don't have Daniel Sutherland's book handy, and haven't seen Sutherland and Georgia Toutziari's Whistler's Mother: Portrait of an Extraordinary Life (2018), but they apparently support the 11th. My impression was that 21st-century sources were favoring July 10 rather decisively, but that seems not to be the case after all. Further comment invited. Ewulp (talk) 00:31, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

text: American National Biography also has July 11. Ewulp (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: Our article currently cites five tertiary sources for the July 10 birthdate; the July 11 birthdate is supported by two tertiary sources and two primary sources. I visited the library to see if secondary sources could be of help here. I particularly wanted to know if any of Whistler's biographers have explained why there has been such confusion about the artist's birthdate. I discovered only one that addressed this (more on that later). Otherwise, every book simply stated one or the other of the dates. Here are the findings.
For July 10, 1834:
*Eddy, Arthur Jerome. 1904. Recollections and Impressions of James A. McNeill Whistler
*Pearson, Hesketh. 1952. The Man Whistler
*Sweet, Frederick A. 1968. James McNeill Whistler: Paintings, Pastels, Watercolours, Drawings, Etchings, Lithographs 
*Walker, John. 1987. James McNeill Whistler
For July 11, 1834:
*Prideaux, Tom. 1970. The World of Whistler, 1834-1903
*McMullen, Roy. 1973. Victorian Outsider: A Biography of J.A.M. Whistler
*Spencer, Robin. 1990. Whistler
*Fleming, G.H. 1991. James Abbott McNeill Whistler: A Life
*Peters, Lisa N. 1996. James McNeill Whistler
*Anderson, Ronald, and Anne Koval. 1994. James McNeill Whistler: Beyond the Myth
*Grieve, A. I. 2000. Whistler's Venice
*Weintraub, Stanley. 2001. Whistler: A Biography
*Sutherland, Daniel E. 2018. Whistler: A Life for Art's Sake
and finally
*Laver, James. 1976. Whistler
This last was the one that addressed the confusion. A footnote after "July 11" reads: "A letter written by Whistler's father to his brother-in-law, General Joseph Gardner Whistler, two days after the birth of the child places this beyond doubt, although, strangely enough, Mrs. Whistler in a diary which she kept at St. Petersburg, records celebrating 'Jamie's' birthday on July 10th, and this date is the one usually given."
It will be noted that the more recent books favor July 11. All of this, plus the evidence of Anna Matilda Whistler's letters in the database of University of Glasgow  makes me think we should relegate July 10 to a footnote. Ewulp (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Birthdate: more sources

message: A very high-resolution work of James Whistler (La Princesse du pays de la porcelaine) from the Google Art Project (left). Feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 10:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another new file 

message: I'm from Russia and not well know English language. Please excuse me. I would like to somebody, who has good knowledge of the English language, add in section "Russia and England" information, that the name of the artist, who gave drawing lessons to James Abbott Whistler was Alexander Koritsky. That is my article in Russian WIKI about this artist: Alexander O. Koritsky Here is the link to the magazine article in English about their friendship: Galina Andreeva "Whistler and Russia" /Magazine "THE TRETYAKOV GALLERY" special issue 2011. I am a descendant of the brother of Alexander Koritsky.--User:Anford (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexander Koritsky 

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message: One English grandmother, was it so rare in the USA at that time?Xx236 (talk) 05:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
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message: Today I visited the Hunterian Museum at the University of Glasgow. Here they have a large gallery with a large number of his works, none of which are mentioned in this article. They also have some of his furniture and painting equipment. The Hunterian claim that this is the preeminent Whistler collection in the world. Perhaps this should be investigated.
````Don Messenger  Oct 10,2016  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.63.208 (talk) 18:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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message: This article describes the skin as a bear skin, but the Good Article on the painting itself from the start calls it a wolf skin and the head a wolf's. I would correct it but would like to gauge the view of others who may have a keener eye for animals and furs than I have as to whether it should be changed from 'bear' to 'wolf'.Cloptonson (talk) 08:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Animal skin in 'Symphony in White No 1' (section Early career)

message: Ran across this:
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 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional source 

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 14:10, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: James Abbott McNeill Whistler →  – WP:COMMONNAME see for example the articles in Britannica, The Met, The National Gallery of Art, and the catalogue raisonee at the University of Glasgow. I am discounting The Tate because their article is a copy of ours and so cannot be used as a source for anything. DuncanHill (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 July 2023