Talk:List of diseases of the honey bee

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thread_title: Scientific and objective

message: Sacbrood virus (SBV)
Morator aetatulas is the virus that causes sacbrood disease. Affected larvae change from pearly white to gray and finally black. Death occurs when the larvae are upright, just before pupation. Consequently, affected larvae are usually found in capped cells. Head development of diseased larvae is typically retarded.
There has to be a better way to say this.
99.140.206.95 (talk) 13:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sacbrood

message: Is this in fact the correct term?  In isolation, it's a tautology, like "canine dogs" or "feline cats"; every mite, by definition, is acarine.  The pages linked in the "References" section all use the term "tracheal mites".  If this term is actually used (and I should say that I know very little about beekeeping), then it needs to be referenced. Tevildo 21:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are not the first person to wonder how people could fail to recognize the tautology, but common names are like that, and beekeepers use the term "acarine mites" quite often (see  and references cited therein for an example). The reason appears to be that the disease was originally known as "acarine disease". The (il)logical extension to a beekeeper was, if a mite transmits acarine disease, then you call it an "acarine mite", the same way you refer to "malaria mosquitoes" or "lyme ticks" (or "West Nile virus"). The reverse is also true - beekeepers converted scientific names like Nosema or Varroa into the name of the disease (so you will see numerous references to "varroa" in the beekeeping literature), because someone, somewhere, evidently assumed that when a scientist mentioned the "Varroa mite" to them it meant that it was a mite which transmitted "varroa". It has its own brand of logic, and it's doubtful that these memes will ever die, now that they're established. Dyanega 17:04, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, I see, thanks.  Perhaps this would be a useful addition to the article text? Tevildo 21:51, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be, if there was any way to prove that was how the usage was derived. In effect, it constitutes "original research" and would not be appropriate material for the article itself - though here on the talk page, it's fine to offer such an unverifiable explanation. Dyanega 22:52, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acarine mites? 

message: I'm a beekeeper from Sweden, which is known for being a nordic and rather cold country. In short, I think the sentence "Occasional warm days in winter are critical for honey bee survival; dysentery problems increase in likelihood if there are periods of more than two or three weeks with temperatures below 50 degrees Fahrenheit." is plain wrong. My hives frequently withstand more than a month of mostly below-zero centigrade (that's 32 Farenheit) without suffering from more than very mild dysentery. Over ten years of beekeeping I have yet to lose a hive to cold, mould or dysentery - in fact I've never lost a colony at all. Swedish bees normally don't leave the hive at all between say, november and march. Then they all go simultaneously on some sunny day in early spring (frequently leaving our cars looking like they had a really weird paint job...). We do not normally keep our hives indoors or even isolate them during the winter, but we do remove as much honey as we can in the autumn and give them, not corn syrup, but a solution of table sugar (saccharose) in water, or commersially prepared feed which also mostly contains sugar. However it would be nice with some more input on this before I edit the section; for all I know what is considered common knowledge in Sweden might be wrong and I've missed some scientific paper on the matter... Furiku 11:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dysentery 

message: Once upon a time, this page had a fairly long section on varroa treatment options.  After a while, that section was deemed too detailed for this page and it was moved to a section on the varroa mite page.  Sometime later, a paragraph was readded here that only talked about Mite-Away (and did so in almost advertorial tone).  That was clearly inappropriate so I (forgetting that the section had been moved to another page) recreated the laundry list of common treatments.
In hindsight and looking at the context of the varroa mite page, I'm not sure where this content fits best.  The treatments are, as far as I know, only applicable to the suppression of varroa within honey bee colonies.  Is the mite really so restricted that the only treatment would ever be in the context of honeybees?  If not, should the discussion of treatment be moved back here?
Or if we do leave the extended treatment on the varroa page, what level of synopsis is appropriate here so that we don't get a recreation of an unbalanced discussion of a single commercial product?  Rossami (talk) 01:51, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  re: Varroa treatments 

message: Acarapis woodi did not cause Isle of Wight disease. If someone wants to fix it before I get around to it, there are details here http://coloss.org/publications/Neumann-Carreck-2010-JAR.pdf CJTweedy (talk) 04:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This Article makes reference to Bailey's "Honey Bee Pathology", which is in turn is cited in the Sub-Section "Acarine (tracheal) mites", however a Quote is taken from "Honey Bee Pathology" which in turn is at least a paraphrase (at best a quote) from Rennies publication, ideally it would be best to 'quote' from the original Source of the statement/conclusion in the Sub-Section, as opposed to a quote from a quote; I'll try and get hold of the original Source, anyone else that has it could try and amend it in the meantime, thanks. Bibby (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Acarapis woodi and Isle of Wight disease

message: Regarding the treatment of Varroa mites, I find the following sentence:  Common chemical controls include "hard" chemicals ... and "soft" chemicals ... (ellipses mine).  This is an article about bee diseases rather than chemistry, of course, so there's no need to be long-winded about it, but if some brief clarification could be offered in the article about what "hard" and "soft" mean in this context (even if what is offered is a technical synonym that can then be linked to appropriate articles), it'd be a good thing.  Getheren (talk) 01:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My knowledge of Varroa treatment is outdated, but I suspect the "hard" controls include things like fluvalinate, a synthetic pyrethroid miticide found in Apistan strips. "Soft" controls might be something analagous to the Crisco/sugar patties tested against tracheal mites. ISTR that hives treated with unmedicated control patties did better than untreated hives: something about the shortening interfering with the mites' olfaction, making it difficult for them to locate workers young enough to infest. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 17:00, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your knowledge is not that badly outdated.  I would add coumophos as a hard chemical.  Examples of soft chemicals, though, are oxalic acid, thymol, essential oils, etc.  Mechanical controls would include drone brood trapping, powdered sugar dusting, etc.  Crisco, to me, is somewhere between the idea of 'soft chemical' and 'mechanical'.  Rossami (talk) 20:56, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment of Varroa mites. 

message: Trying to find a natural "fix" for this disease. Have found that a whole banana (skin and all) placed inside the top of the hive under the lid helps to clean it up but not overly succesful.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnarold (talk • contribs) 07:54, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of the "banana" treatment and have no idea why that would be successful.  My suspicion is that the improvement you saw was more the result of changing weather.  As the article already says, the usual treatment for chalkbrood is increased ventilation.  Chalkbrood is brought on by excessive moisture, creating a favorable environment for fungi.  Screened bottom boards and/or top entrances will both improve ventilation.  If that doesn't work, you might have to resite your hives.  Rossami (talk) 13:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The times I have seen chalkbrood, the hives were poorly situated, such as being placed in a gully or ravine with a damp microclimate. __ Just plain Bill (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Hello, I am interested in adding more accurate citations and editing information available on chalkbrood to this section. I will be working on it over the next couple of weeks. — Dmaslyuk (talk) 02:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  chalkbrood disease in bees 

message: I just edited the (skimpy) lead "paragraph" to add mention of abnormal hive conditions. Wax moths are not exactly a honeybee disease; they might be more accurately described as commensal to weak colonies. Will it be appropriate to include other abnormalities, such as queenlessness, or laying workers? __ Just plain Bill (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Diseases and other abnormal conditions

message: The section on Nosema is currently in Pests and Parasites. Nosema is a Microsporidian fungus. Why not move it to the Fungal Disease section? Yes, it is a parasite of sorts, but an obligate intracellular one, which isn't terribly alike the others in the section.
Just a thought.
96.18.249.140 (talk) 14:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nosema in pests/parasites? 

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message: The Iflaviridae article lists Sacbrood as one of the types included ...so perhaps Sacbrood should be under the Iflaviridae section in this article. The Dicistroviridae page defines it to be family including genera Aparavirus, Cripavirus and Triatovirus: if the information on these pages is correct, section 4.1 of the current page should be Dicistroviridae Cripavirus (containing Chronic Bee Paralysis Virus), and 4.2 should be Dicistroviridae Aparavirus (containing Acute Bee Paralysis Virus etc). I can't really judge which pages are correct here, but there is an inconsistency. The placement of cripavirus as a genus within dicistroviridae appears to be more common than references to cripaviridae as a family of its own.
Mnjuckes (talk) 16:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Virus Classifications 

message: Under the Varroa Mites section is the sentence It is known that thymol, a compound produced by thyme, naturally occurring in thyme honey, and likely inert in human tissue, is a treatment for the Varroa. Provisioning active colonies with crops of thyme may provide the colony with a non-interventional chemical defense against Varroa. Research suggests thyme honey, given the therapeutic properties of thyme compounds and the properties of honey, may be a compound not dissimilar from aspirin. Anyone got any refs for this? Wocky (talk) 14:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If not, then it may bear deletion. Dyanega (talk) 16:22, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I've looked into what I can without digging really deeply; the first sentence is largely supported, and I've supplied a citation. Not clear about the other two sentences. Dyanega (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thymol treatment for Varroa 

message: In the section on Pesticide losses it would be good to provide some symptoms for 
* initial effects of high doses (prior to death);  and 
* effects of low–intermediate doses.  
Currently the article refers to observation of a large number of dead bees, which doesn't address the above two issues.  
I came across a (wild?) bee earlier this week that was unable to keep its footing on a sloped surface (roadside kerb, my cap, leaves of bush), and kept on slipping off/down.  I didn't observe it to fly (so I guess it couldn't), but to the naked untrained eye I couldn't see anything physically wrong.  
Unable to guess a diagnosis from this article.  Some disease?  Affected by pesticide?  Or perhaps old age???
—DIV (137.111.13.4 (talk) 00:18, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pesticide losses