Talk:Rosa Luxemburg

message: A friend of mine proposed changes to the former Luxemburgism article earlier this year with the idea in mind that no one practices the tendency. While this is acknowledged to be partially correct, further scholarly review has produced copious evidence for its historical existence in German monographs, articles, etc. (One is directly related to the notion of Luxemburgism in the context of the DDR, where it was used to smear political opponents (much like Trotskyism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotskyism): "Rosa Luxemburgs Kritik an Lenin blieb zu ihren Lebzeiten unbekannt. Sie wurde erst 1922 von Paul Levi unter dem Titel Zur russischen Revolution veröffentlicht. Anlass dazu war für ihn zum einen der Beschluss der KPD zur „Offensivstrategie“ 1920, den die von Sinowjew geführte Kommunistische Internationale (Komintern) unterstützte, zum anderen der Versuch, die KPD im Kontext des Märzaufstands 1921 zur Abkehr von ihrer Orientierung, durch einen Putsch zur Macht gelangen zu können, zu bewegen und ihre Positionierung gegen die SPD-Linke in Frage zu stellen. Daraufhin schloss die KPD Levi aus. Seine Veröffentlichung trug dazu bei, dass Josef Stalin, die KPdSU, die Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands (KPD)[10] und später die Sozialistische Einheitspartei Deutschlands (SED) [11] Rosa Luxemburgs Positionen später insgesamt als Luxemburgismus abwehrten und verfemten. Von Gegnern des Stalinismus wurden ihre kritischen Passagen dagegen später oft als Inbegriff des Demokratischen Sozialismus zitiert."
The current merged section is called "Thought" on the page for Rosa Luxemburg. The original "Luxemburgism" page that existed needs some key edits, which I am prepared to engage in/with. See also: Von Stefan Steinberg, "Vorgeführt und lächerlich gemacht" Wie die PDS auf die Errichtung einer Statue von Rosa Luxemburg reagiert, [www.wsws.org, 26. Januar 1999, (Online, pdf http://www.wsws.org/de/1999/jan1999/rosa-j26.shtml)
Hoarmurath (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to unmerge luxemburg and luxemburgism 

message: Why is the article in this category? Luxemburg herself was not a communist book (though I notice that she wrote several), and this is not a topic category. Geolodus (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Communist books]] 

message: She despised Prussian men and resented what she saw as the grip of urban capitalism on social democracy.
Needs clarity. Red Society 01 (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  On hating Prussian men 

message: A number of sources (The Local , Deutsche Welle  The New European  and the Gietinger book) refer to it as a murder. I have replaced execution with murder unless it refers to Pabst's orders. Best, Caius G. (talk) 23:19, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: More sources: Encyclopedia Britannica  The Times of Israel  and The Conversation (website) . The demonstration has also been described as honouring the "murdered" Luxemburg and Liebknecht  (in German). Best, Caius G. (talk) 17:03, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Execution ? ? - Capital punishment, also known as the death penalty, is the state-sanctioned killing of a person as punishment for a crime. The sentence ordering that someone is punished with the death penalty is called a death sentence, and the act of carrying out such a sentence is known as an execution. - Rosa Luxemburg was murdered, not executed. --213.172.123.242 (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Execution vs murder 

message: There's usually a section detailing how a historical figure died, particularly in cases like Rosa where they were assasinated, executed or otherwise killed. BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 09:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is there no "Execution" section? 

message: Wasn't murder, you are twisting words, pathetic. 220.76.183.4 (talk) 08:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources say that it was murder. 15 (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If she was killed without trial, in a country that had functioning law courts and even proper military courts, then it was murder (assassination or unlawful execution are just varieties of murder.) Pascalulu88 (talk) 01:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  She was executed for attempted overthrow of a lawful government 

message: The section on the attempted German Revolution has a quote of a speech Luxemburg gave:
: Today we can seriously set about destroying capitalism once and for all. Nay, more; not merely are we today in a position to perform this task, nor merely is its performance a duty toward the proletariat, but our solution offers the only means of saving human society from destruction.
This quote has a reference before it attributed to "Nettl, J. P. Rosa Luxemburg. Vol. 1. p. 131. Waters, Mary-Alice Waters (ed.). Rosa Luxemburg Speaks. p. 7.", but I can't find the text in either book. --Ashawley (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I was able to trace it to Our Program and the Political Situation (December 1918) as posted at https://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1918/12/31.htm.  However, I cited the more recent translation in The Rosa Luxemburg Reader (2004) from Monthly Review Press and edited by Hudis and Anderson. -- Ashawley (talk) 06:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't find quote 

message: From section, October Revolution Criticism:The abolition of the rule of capital, the realization of a socialist social order – this, and nothing less, is the historical theme of the present revolution. It is a formidable undertaking, and one that will not be accomplished in the blink of an eye just by the issuing of a few decrees from above. Only through the conscious action of the working masses in city and country can it be brought to life, only through the people's highest intellectual maturity and inexhaustible idealism can it be brought safely through all storms and find its way to port.In her later work The Russian Tragedy, Luxemburg blamed many of the perceived failures of the Bolsheviks on the lack of a socialist uprising in Germany:The Bolsheviks have certainly made a number of mistakes in their policies and are perhaps still making them – but where is the revolution in which no mistakes have been made! The notion of a revolutionary policy without mistakes, and moreover, in a totally unprecedented situation, is so absurd that it is worthy only of a German schoolmaster. If the so-called leaders of German socialism lose their so-called heads in such an unusual situation as a vote in the Reichstag, and if their hearts sink into their boots and they forget all the socialism they ever learned in situation in which the simple abc of socialism clearly pointed the way – could one expect a party caught up in a truly thorny situation, in which it would show the world new wonders, not to make mistakes?From section, Quotations:
* Luxemburg's perhaps best-known quotation "" (sometimes translated as "Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters") is an excerpt from the following passage:
Freedom only for the supporters of the government, only for the members of a party – however numerous they may be – is no freedom at all. Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently. Not because of the fanaticism of "justice", but rather because all that is instructive, wholesome, and purifying in political freedom depends on this essential characteristic, and its effects cease to work when "freedom" becomes a privilege.
* "The capitalist state of society is doubtless a historic necessity, but so also is the revolt of the working class against it – the revolt of its gravediggers." (April 1915)
* "Without general elections, without unrestricted freedom of press and assembly, without a free struggle of opinion, life dies out in every public institution, becomes a mere semblance of life, in which only the bureaucracy remains as the active element."
* "For us there is no minimal and no maximal program; socialism is one and the same thing: this is the minimum we have to realize today."
* "Today, we face the choice exactly as Friedrich Engels foresaw it a generation ago: either the triumph of imperialism and the collapse of all civilization as in ancient Rome, depopulation, desolation, degeneration – a great cemetery. Or the victory of socialism, that means the conscious active struggle of the international proletariat against imperialism and its method of war."
* "Most of those bourgeois women who act like lionesses in the struggle against 'male prerogatives' would trot like docile lambs in the camp of conservative and clerical reaction if they had suffrage." (Luxemburg's famous observation and critique of liberal feminism)
* "Imperialism is the political expression of the accumulation of capital in its competitive struggle for what remains still open of the non-capitalist environment."
BAaronA (talk) 05:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted excessive quotes for reference 

message: I was updating the lede to include a sentence about her education, but now I'm kinda confused. The source I'm reading which led me to this article () states:
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The article also both mentions a "Doctor of Law" and a doctorate of political economy. What does "Doctor of Law" mean in this context and is it correct? :3 F4U (they/it) 16:27, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, F4U, thank you for your contributions. I think it might be due to the differences between what "Doctor of Law" means in different countries? I just read in the Doctor of Law article lede that "The application of the term varies from country to country and includes degrees such as the Doctor of Juridical Science (J.S.D. or S.J.D), Juris Doctor (J.D.), Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.), and Legum Doctor (LL.D.)". Since she studied philosophy as well, perhaps this is what they are referring to? I'm not certain though, to make sure we'd have to check what "Doctor of Law" meant at the University of Zurich in 1897 and if it included political economy. --Pitsarotta (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doctorate of Law?