Talk:Goku/Archive 1

message: What's the basis for calling Goku one of the "most recognizeable anime characters"? I think something that POV needs a source, so removing it for now. Also, if his most recogniable form is the orange jumpsuit, why does the picture have a dark outfit? -- nae'blis (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV statement

message: * Wiki-star: I would recommend anyone with absolute knowledge of Goku since Dragon Ball, to format this article like the Vegeta, or Buu articles. I cannot do it yet, but i hope someone else would. Thanks!
Wiki-star 04:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Enhancements

message: This article was nominated for Wikipedia:Good articles status but I've failed for a couple of reasons.
*Explain Forms and transformations, I've seen the show and I understand it but most readers won't
* No refs
* Remove trivia section
* No in popular culture section
* Extreme PoV in the lead
* Stubby sections
Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 20:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add :Template:FailedGA at the top? -- ReyBrujo 20:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Stubby sections?  What does that refer to?  The saga things?  I'm doing my best to cut them down but I didn't write them and it requires a tonne of reading and re-reading to decide whats necessary.  Which is the lead?  Could do with some better discriptions here.  References are the entire series, not much else you can say but that.
There is an article on SUper Saiyans so going in-depth seems pointless, however to use it, the forms and transformations section would need to be re-organised into type rather than order of attainment.Darkwarriorblake 00:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lead section is the section that should inform the casual user what this article is about. And he is referring to His staggering power, He is generally beloved by all the heroes of the series and especially Goku is regarded as the single most powerful character in the Dragonball Universe. Try to avoid peacock terms. But the main problem is that the article lacks reliable sources. You shouldn't say "He is the most powerful", you need to say "Akira Toriyama, in the Dragon Ball manga, volume 15, page 45, and in the animation, chapter 45 titled "Goku", states that Goku is the most powerful character in the Dragon Ball universe". -- ReyBrujo 00:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA nom 

message: I revised the part about Robot Chicken to indicate that Chibi Goku from DBGT is most likely what 'Gohan' was based on (by the hair and clothes), despite being named Gohan in the sketch. But it was a parody, so it's not meant to be an accurate representation of the characters anyway.--GeneralDuke 23:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed it.  The episode indicates it's Gohan.  It doesn't matter if fans think it's someone else.  Any speculation that he's Goten/Chibi Goku is just that and shouldn't be included in the article. As you said, it's parody and isn't always accurate. CPitt76 06:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robot Chicken 

message: This is just referring to the image from the 23rd world martial arts tournament. From March until 23:53 7 June 2006 this image was present and I thought it was a valuable addition. I have not checked on this goku page for some time and noticed that the image has been removed, so I added it once more and it was removed again by a different user at 15:57, 26 June 2006.
Could you please explain why this image is not befitting of such an article? --ZXCVB 21:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragon Ball Image 

message: I was about to remove the following statement in this article: "As a kid again, Son Goku became immature, despite retaining his strength and memories of being an adult" until I remembered Son Goku was kinda immature in DBGT. The line sounds POV to me, but remove it if it is POV. Funnybunny (talk/Counter Vandalism Unit) 22:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't really a point of view. He acted a lot more like he was when he was a child. Maybe it should be changed a little. Nemu 22:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

text: He has some traits that were probably a tribute to Superman or something like that(such as both of them being the near last of their race sent away from their planet before it exploded). That's why he's there. Nemu 22:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's just a coincidence. Toriyama has never confirmed that as far as I know, and Goku is far from being similar to Superman. Goku's character is nothing like Superman's, and they only have two things in common. Are two minor things really enough to give him that catagory? KojiDude (talk) 05:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Eh...That still isn't really enough to earn it a spot in that category. KojiDude (talk) 02:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: I read the good article criteria, and it says articles longer than 15kb that get GA should get FA too, so does that mean if this aticle passes for GA it'll be FA instead?--KojiDude (talk) 17:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No. GA is a review by a single user. FA is a review by many. They are saying that big articles should get a Peer review first, and then apply for Featured article, but getting GA doesn't mean it will automatically get FA status. -- ReyBrujo 16:01, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA? 

message: This article needs a lot, repeat, a lot of work done before it reaches GA status. 
*Well-written: Failed. The prose is borderline passable. Not too many awkward phrases or stops, but it still needs through copyedits. Also, there are not enough interwiki links. Another point is that you start talking about characters without introducing them or explaining who they are (e.g. Frieza, for one). You need to carefully explain every new concept and person in the article, or link to the appropriate page. Also, the article is not divided properly. The Dragon Ball section is a jumble; all we need there is a quick summation of important events, not a scene-by-scene of every episode. The Z and GT articles are divided up well, but check them too for this. Goku's "History" and "Appearance" should be combined, and better explained.  
*Referenced: Failed. You have none. Referencing episodes is a must, and you should also cite interviews and probably the official site. This is the biggest problem, too big to be covered here. 
*Broad coverage: Failed. The "In popular culture" section is unneeded, and Goku's list of abilities should be a different article. Instead, list only his signature or important abilities. "Forms" is alright. 
*Neutral: Failed. Often you emphasize Goku's caring nature and forgiveness toward his enemies. You need to cite the creator's opinion and critics' opinions on this, and not insert your own. This is orginal research. 
*Stable: Passed.
*Images: Failed. Some images do not have fair use rationales, and others need a written source, not just a link there. It would be wise to include a fuller picture of Goku, and one of his alternate costumes in the "Appearance" section. Otherwise, the images do illustrate important points very well. 
Overall, this needs a lot of work, so good luck. -Dark Kubrick 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: When was Goku ever refered to as "Zero"? Is that from when Harmony was doing the dub? Did the Zero name stand for the Z at the end of Dragonball Z? --suit-n-tie 06:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zero. 

message: How is it not referenced? All that information is taken from the anime, manga or daizenshuu.--KojiDude 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referenced? 

message: Could we put that section under its own article and link it from here and vice versa? 74.225.76.172 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Son Goku (Dragon Ball)#Techniques and special abilities|Techniques and special abilities]] 

message: In the uncanonical GT why the hell did Goku swallow the four star ball?--suit-n-tie 04:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because he didn't want the dragon to absorb all seven. The talk is for discussion of the article, not the series. Nemu 16:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choke. 

message: I notice that Goku is categorized in several "superhero" categorize. Does he even classify as a Super hero? Given he does have powers beyond that of a normal person, and uses his powers for good., There arent that many more similarites. For one things, He has not secret identity, does not fight crime or activly seek injustice to fight. For most of the time, he lives a normal life with his family. Not to mention that powers similar to Goku's can be attained by humans in their world. Can Humans in the DC Universe be taught heat vision? I don't think so. I just want to see others opinion on this matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animedude360 (talk • contribs) .
:Yeah. Gohan would fit that category, because of his Great Saiyaman thing, but not Goku. Goku helps people near him if they're in danger, but he doesn't go around looking for crime to fight.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 16:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not all superheroes have secret identities (Fantastic Four, the Jon Stewart Green Lantern, and a huge number of Marvel Heroes since Civil War).  And there are numerous super heroes that have no super powers (Batman, Wildcat, Robin), meaning their status "can be attained by humans in their world".  While Goku fighting crime wasn't a focus of the show, I don't think that has to be the deciding factor for what makes a super hero.  Silver Surfer doesn't stop bank robberies on a daily basis either, but he's still a superhero.  CPitt76 14:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Goku doesn't do superhero things. He just wants to fight. He only saves those that are already there, or something.--Suit-n-tie 02:33, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A superhero is somone who devotes their life to saving lives and seeking out crime to stop. Goku just fights powerful opponents when he sees them, and saves the innocent if he happens to be near when they're in toruble. He basically does two things: 1) Eats 2) Fights for fun. (Hardly sounds like a superhero to me)--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 02:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Goku usually just ends up somewhere that happens to be where the bad guys are coming.--Suit-n-tie 03:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, heroes like Silver Surfer and Spawn don't necessarily fit those descriptions either, and they save innocents if they happen to be near them when they're in trouble, but we still consider them super heroes.  I could make the same argument for Hulk, depending on who's writing him.  CPitt76 02:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You've seen Dragon Ball/Z/GT? He's not a superhero. Stop claiming he is.--Suit-n-tie 03:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a very debate-like argument to jsut claim he isnt without backing it up. CPitt birngs up some good points. In many ways Goku could be considered a Superhero.  I jsut wanted toehrs opinions, not a flame war. (04:07, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes, I've seen Dragon Ball, DBZ and DBGT, Suit.  And I've provided several examples to support my argument, unlike your las post.  Another point, Wikipedia defines superhero as "A fictional character who is noted for feats of courage and nobility, who usually possesses abilities beyond those of normal human beings.".  Sounds like Goku to me.  CPitt76 02:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can't change my thoughts one bit, but, if that's how Wikipedia defines a superhero, I can't argue. Though, in my opinion, he's not. Well, Whatever. I'm done.--Suit-n-tieSuit's Talk 04:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Superhero?

message: Attention Dragon Ball experts; Son Goten, an article that is closely related to this article is being Peer Reviewed. Please help out with the peer review by giving your opinions, statements, and most importantly; voice at the review. The peer review's page can be found here. SGFF 01:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer review alert! 

message: Just recently, the redirect page (Goku) was redirected to Son Goku, which is a collaboration of other characters named Son Goku. I think it would be most suitable if Goku was redirected to Son Goku (Dragon Ball) instead of Son Goku because most of the articles that link to the Goku redirect page is intended for Son Goku (Dragon Ball) only, not several other characters named Son Goku. Just look at what links to Goku - most (if not all) pages that link to Goku is intended for the Dragon Ball Goku only. SGFF(If you're stressed, then count to ten and have a cup of coffee with Esperanza.) 01:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it.--KojiDude (viva la BAM!) 02:05, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Goku]] redirect dispute