Talk:Rein Lang

message: ISTR that Lang was one of the authors of the Constitution of 1992.  Such would certainly be a high point in the life of any politician or lawyer, and if it can be sourced, merits notion in the article. Digwuren 20:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional Assembly membership? 

message: Here's a quote copied from Adolf (drama):
Prevent Genocide International: 
Digwuren 01:01, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quote 

message: Despite my numerous requests to provide any source but article of Lang himslef calling "Adolf" anti-fascist, he just reverts my edits with false accusations of vandalism. Digwuren, would you be a man and try to present your hollow lies and false accusations to arbitrage comission at last instead of peppering my talk page with warning and repeating resorting to name-calling? RJ CG 16:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quotation of a review by Prevent Genocide International is provided above.  And there are more in Adolf (drama). Digwuren 16:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Quotation of review does not contain word "anti-fascist". And statement "there are more in Adolf (drama)" is plain lie, as there are none in any English-language articles linked to page which contain word "anti-fascist". This is WP:OR on your side. I was right to assume that Korps!Estonia will intervene to cover it's member from 3RR punishment. I was also to assume that Digwuren obviously understand how false his hollow accusations of vandalism are, as he chose to call in Korps instead of standing behind his accusations. RJ CG 16:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please stop this... It is getting ridiculous. A mockery of something is always against the thing it mocks. An intelligent person does not need everything spelled out to him. --Alexia Death 16:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The words "Separation of Church and State" appear nowhere in the United States Constitution.  Guess how many constitutional scholars consider this a sufficient basis of not considering it a solidly established constitutional principle? Digwuren 16:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You forget that US Constitution has a number of amendments, including the one that addresses the issue.A power of American Constitution is that it is not cast in stone. `'Míkka 18:27, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being thick.  But I repeat myself. Digwuren 19:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Digwuren's bad faith warning

message: is not a good source.  When the minister's term will run out, this will likely have a biography of a new person.  A temporary solution would be adding a remark of download date, but in long term, a more stable source will be necessary. Digwuren 15:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I sourced this to the fact that Rein Lang is a current minister of justice. And that should change anyways when he is not anymore. The second reference was accident. Suva 15:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Temporary sources

message: Mikkalai has repeatedly, as RJ CG before him, attempted to remove the sourced classification of spin as spin, in violation of WP:SPADE.  Furthermore, he has misclassified and rephrased the Prince Harry incident, in an attempt to create a false analogy, and claimed that this originated in the Russian media.  This is incorrect; the original similarity (*without* this distortion) appears in the first (very laconic) article of Eesti Ekspress.
:Then insert the correct phrasing and reference about prince. I saw it in Russian media, hence I quoted what I saw. I invented nothing. `'Míkka 17:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Adding "interesting", so it reads "interesting distortion", isn't WP:NPOV, as it's your opinion that it's interesting. I don't find it interesting. I find it a distortion. --Deskana (talk) 17:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Also "a critically acclaimed" sounds wrong. There used to be award winning, witch is a sensible and true statement.--Alexia Death 18:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive put these changes in. hope this meets with your approval.--Alexia Death 18:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can compromise to 'award-winning'. Digwuren 18:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: After some research I inserted a more specific term instead of "spin": wikipedia has the article artificial controversy. I hope this make you happy. `'Míkka 17:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Certainly not!  These concepts do not replace each other.  While spin was the process, a manufactured controversy was the outcome.  Replacing concise 'spin' with something artificially long such as 'partook in generation' is not constructive, and I suspect, is only designed to avoid linking to the Wikipedia article on 'spin'. Digwuren 18:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange manipulations by [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 

message: Please stop this "artificial birthday" nonsense. Reword the heading, or, better still, quote reputable sources who find this controversy artificial. Because a different point of view is entirely possible. And I am NOT a member or even supporter of Rahvaliit. I support NPOV. AdaHeidelberg 09:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Birthday is not artificial. The controversy is, after all if was entirely a result of misrepresentation of facts. Digwurren has provided you with the explanation of the term. --Alexia Death 10:06, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Artificial controversy"

message: I find it confusing that Russian position is presented through Estonian eyes. Accordingly, I split the Russian accusations (based on the report of an Estonian newspaper from Estonian response, therefore letting each side to speak for themselves. Also, comment about Nazi banner being an element of the play is necessary. Overwise it becomes completely unclear where all "Nazi flag" accusations are coming from. RJ CG 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting Russian accusations from Estonian response 

message: In it's present form article completely misses calls for Lang resignation made by Parliament fraction, although it mentions statement by informal group Nochnoy Dozor, which mostly include individals who are denied Estonian citizenship. This is as POV-ish as it comes. Unless some Estonian contributor will explain why one have to be here and another doesn't (I mean, except your zealous efforts to present this as attack by wile  T...lad), in the next 24 hours, I'll restore reference to calls for Lang's resignation. RJ CG 13:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calls for resignation. 

message: RJ CG has dozens of times attempted to claim that Adolf (drama) features a "pre-suicide monologue by Adolf Hitler".  I find it fascinating that he's so many times parroted Russian propaganda sources instead of trying, say, to switch to claiming that it features "Adolf Hitler" -- which is just as accurate (that is to say, just as misleading).  Something to meditate on ... Digwuren 13:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:RJ CG|RJ CG]]'s lack of creativity 

message: My edits , ,  are part of one revert in a hopeless attempt to understand what is enraging other editors. RJ CG 20:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Message to admins. 

message: Please explain how badmouthing of Russian coverage as "spin" is relevant and official document of European parliament is not. It is for sure inconvenient for pushers of "vile Russia hounding honest and blameless Estonian" story, but I was under the impression that WP is supposed to be NPOV. MEP request is pretty Encyclopedic material, much more so than opinionated articles from Estonian media so often used as sources here. RJ CG 14:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can find plenty of parties and whoever who found it inappropriate for Rein Lang to watch the drama. Even Estonian skinheads ironically complained that it's evil to watch anti-fascist drama. The drama has won several awards and is highly respected anti-fascist piece. It is notable that some people got into the spin of media portraying it fascist, but I don't think any list of people who got in the spin and people who actually have seen the play is necessary. As I said. The incident is throughly analyzed in this article and it doesn't need more balancing or unbalancing. Владимир И. Сува Чего? 14:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think we should wait, if something comes from this. That particular Greek communist has a history of making Nazi accusations, see  a list of his questions. As far as I can tell, by far most are baseless and have gone without any further notice. -- Sander Säde 15:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irrelevant or inconvenient? 

message: According to Digwuren, "artificiality of this particular controversy is well-established by sources". I can't agree with this. In fact, I can see at least two different controversies here: 1) whether or not Lang expressed pro-Nazi sentiments by the choosing to celebrate his birthday in this manner and 2) whether or not it was responsible behaviour for a minister to enable an opportunity for Russian media to mention Estonia and Nazis in one sentence, right after the notorious bronze soldier incident. Apparently all references to this other side of the controversy (like Rahvaliit's calls for Lang's resignation) have been deleted from the article. I find this simply not right. This is an encyclopaedia, not information war. I find that the heading of the section should be just controversy and in the article there should be references to sources who find i artificial or not. -- 88.196.103.139 12:40, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Artificial controversy?

message: It was actually passed, although 800SE (http://web.riigikogu.ee/ems/plsql/motions.show?assembly=10&id=800&t=E) failed same text was re-introduced as 913SE (http://web.riigikogu.ee/ems/plsql/motions.show?assembly=10&id=913&t=E) and passed without much discussion. http://www.epl.ee/?artikkel=307863 spells out some real problems. As I participated in the process I'd be happy if somebody more neutral could correct the sub-section that appears to miss the point ... Peeter Marvet  —Preceding comment was added at 22:47, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Delfi bill