Talk:Disease mongering

message: It is evident that Lynn Payer originally coined the concept, and that Moynihan has run off with it. Here Ray reviews Payer's book, and afterwards he makes "journalistic" submissions to the BMJ exploring the concept. The BMJ's editorial policy is clearly to uncritically accept this agenda. JFW | T@lk 15:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Simply editors do whatever they want to do without communicating first. Check the logs. Deletions are made and then perhaps after the deletion we may get a comment in discussion. Neutrality in such an environment is impossible. --scuro 04:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are being unnecessarily difficult. I have given ample reason why I made the deletions that I made. You seem to be intent on putting words into Fred Bauchman's mouth. He does not seem to be a major user of the term "disease mongering". To label the article  is a misrepresentation of the discussion (or the lack of it) that we've been having over here. JFW | T@lk 06:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

text: If you accuse me of POV pushing, could you please state which POV I seem to be pushing? JFW | T@lk 06:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: No attempt at consensus is made before deletions and edits are made->pov pushing

message: Can you tell me if PLoS peer review is much like Breggin's ICSPP peer review, in that is insular and makes no attempt to engage the wider community of academic and scientific voices in the field? If this is the case then it wouldn't be an acceptable citable source.--scuro 03:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not making any guesses on PLoS. Given that it's an online journal without a specific reputation, all options are open. JFW | T@lk 15:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: This is a serious, real disease which has ruined my life and the lives of many others.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.22.24 (talk) 07:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
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message: About this recently removed statement:  I think that needs a citation if we're going to keep it.  If you sell cellulite creams, you could be selling it merely as a cosmetic thing, equal to hair dye, without any disease mongering involved.  Disease mongering requires communicating that something makes you sick, not that it makes you (allegedly) ugly. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:43, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, fair enough for now. I still think cellulite is worth mentioning in this article in future (even though that phrasing turned out to be the wrong way to discuss it), because it is an important example of what is discussed above by User:Formerly 98 (the subjective line between physiologic and pathologic, which inevitably involves sociologic as well as biomedical aspects—that's me summarizing it in one of various ways to put it). It is undeniable that some makers of cellulite creams would like it if some members of the general public (people without medical expertise) believe that they have a "disorder" that requires an over-the-counter "remedy"—something more than just "I prefer brunette to silver hair color" (two equally valid options)—something more like people feeling that others are looking at them with a "cover your shame, please" attitude ("do something about that skin problem—there are topical preparations for that"). People in the fat acceptance movement, fighting anti-fat bias, can speak to this sociologic instance. If you look at quack skin-lightening creams back 50 to 100 years ago, it is analogous—there were plenty of eugenicists who said that being black was a biological inferiority, although that is not quite the same as adding "...and there's a drug you can take to improve it" (people of the one-drop theory didn't believe there was any "cure" for "racial inferiority" in an individual who already had the "affliction"—they wanted to prevent births of future such individuals). Another topic is the assertion that one could/should use psychotherapy to "cure" oneself of being gay. Anyway, enough for today, but all of these are valid potential topics for mention in this article. Quercus solaris (talk) 16:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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