Talk:Hurricane Felix

message: A similar question was raised during Hurricane Dean. Is it possible to maintain a past-tense approach to this article other than in the leading sentence saying "Hurricane Felix is..."? For example, we could say "as of 5pm, the active warnings were...", rather than "as of 5pm, the active warnings are...". There are many other cases where present-tense may creep in to the article, but as we are basing this article on already available information, we can only really report what has already happened, not what is happening. This is a minor detail, but it would re-enforce the warning notice at the top of the article that the information in this article is not current. Sancho 22:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Better worry about that AFTER the entire lifetime of the storm - in which by default, it all becomes past tense.  Since this is a current storm, and information will change constantly for the next few days, past/present tense should be moot. KyuuA4 02:53, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, a Wikipedia article is not an advisory, it is a document that presents facts which have already happened. Thus the past tense is always necessary. -- Ghostreveries 11:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, this is a current event. As we went through on Dean, not everything on Wikipedia should be in the past tense. The information is current and still applicable until the next advisory. The current information should be present tense. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about something like leading the "current information" paragraph with "As of X pm XDT, Hurricane Felix was.... , the pressure was... etc." That doesn't seem so bad to me. It also seems to flow better than "as of x pm, Hurricane Felix is...". Sancho 15:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sancho.  Just about everything we cover has happened in the past, the example of an NHC advisory is a good one. — jdorje (talk) 18:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense 

message: Just like what was done with Dean, I moved Hurricane Felix to being a redirect to this page (and the dab was moved to Tropical Storm Felix). It seemed to work well, and the high intensity suggests that many will be looking straight for Felix. (If it fizzles, it can be relocated back) CrazyC83 00:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't put the dab to the wrong location... please?--Nilfanion (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirects 

message: Is Hurricane Felix a Category 4 or a Category 5? The Weather Channel states its a Cat 4.
:Its a 5. ---CWY2190TC 00:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat 4 or 5? 

message: There's a comment that it's Sept 3 UTC, which is accurate.  But from the discussion on Hurricane Dean I understood the policy on hurricanes was to give the local time of the notable event, in which case it would be late Sept 2. Bhudson 01:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure about Dean, but nearly every other tropical cyclone article lists notable events in UTC time. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dean has the notable events written in UTC and local time (AST,EDT,CDT.) i personally think we should restrict local time to the storm boxes and then eveything else in UTC and restrict it to One Time Zone   Jason Rees 01:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We always include local times when something happened. --Golbez 03:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cat 5 on Sept 3 

message: Should we add the definition of Graupel, as most of the public doesnt know what it is (Snow thats rimmed by the wind)....... Anung Mwka 03:17, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A wikilink should be sufficient. Or put (snow pellets) in brackets right after the term also. Sancho 03:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What's a snow pallet? I think a wikilink would be better... Nil Einne 04:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Added wikilink (Hypnosadist) 04:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There already was a wikilink earlier in that paragraph (I take it you are referring to the wikilink added to the last sentence of the paragraph), so I removed the latter one. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:   Graupel 

message: Got a prelim storm track up at Felix 2007 track.png. Q T C 12:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added it to the Storm History section. Thanks for updating it too. Plasticup T/C 02:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Felix was a cat 5 at landfall, correct? Perhaps you can modify the image to reflect this? Even though that might add a dot in the line, I feel it would convey some important points: Felix restrengthed to a cat 5. That is rare. Felix made landfall as a cat 5, that is also rare. One might get the impression from the graphic that Felix was briefly a Cat 5 in the Caribbean sea, and then gradually weakened to cat 4 and lower when making landfall. 129.125.61.211 10:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, the track goes by 6 hour points. There are storms like this that have important intermediate points, and as a result there is a plan to possibly change the track map generator to add landfall and other intermediate points, but it is not the case as of now. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, not entirely correct.  The software itself doesn't care about the dates/times. It just reads a list of points and makes the appropriate dots/lines. Operationally, I've done plenty of tracks that have all available advisories on them, such as Flossie's. --Ajm81 23:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storm Track 

message: Shouldn't this article now be tracking this in either Central Standard Time instead of AST? It's been over land for the last several hours over Nic. and they are in Central Standard Time. What I'm not sure of is if they observe daylight savings or not. Jon 20:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be eastern daylight since thats what the NHC advisories say. ---CWY2190TC 20:52, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Time Zone

message: http://uk.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUKN0129218720070906
Should be 38.(Not that it won't be rising later) 66.75.25.210 01:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 39 due to the death in Honduras from a different source. CrazyC83 02:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change to Death Toll 

message: Could you please change this table to fit in Felix. It could be very useful.
Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	Deaths and damage from Hurricane Dean              	
Country                                            	Totaldeaths                                        	State/region                                       	Statetotal                                         	County/Municip.                                    	Countytotal                                        	Directdeaths                                       	Damage(USD)                                        	Source
Dominica                                           	2                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	2                                                  	Unknown                                            	
Dominican Republic                                 	6                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	6                                                  	Unknown                                            	
Haiti                                              	11                                                 	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	11                                                 	Unknown                                            	hdnews.net
Jamaica                                            	3                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	3                                                  	~$2 billion                                        	
France                                             	2                                                  	Martinique                                         	2                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	0                                                  	~$270 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Hidalgo                                            	6                                                  	Zacualtipán                                        	2                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Hidalgo                                            	6                                                  	Cuautepec                                          	2                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Hidalgo                                            	6                                                  	San Agustín Tlaxiaca                               	1                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Hidalgo                                            	6                                                  	Pachuca                                            	1                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Jalisco                                            	2                                                  	Puerto Vallarta                                    	2                                                  	2                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Michoacán                                          	1                                                  	Paracho                                            	1                                                  	1                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Puebla                                             	6                                                  	Tepetzintla                                        	4                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Puebla                                             	6                                                  	Pahuatlán                                          	1                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Puebla                                             	6                                                  	Unknown                                            	1                                                  	6                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Mexico                                             	14                                                 	Veracruz                                           	1                                                  	Xalapa                                             	1                                                  	0                                                  	~$800 million                                      	
Nicaragua                                          	1                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	1                                                  	Unknown                                            	
Saint Lucia                                        	1                                                  	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	1                                                  	Unknown                                            	
United States                                      	1                                                  	Florida                                            	1                                                  	Sarasota                                           	1                                                  	1                                                  	None                                               	
Totals:                                            	42                                                 	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	                                                   	39                                                 	~$3.8 billion                                      	
Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.	Because of differing sources, totals may not match.
--TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please no. Most of the deaths will be in a small area - the table is large and bulky, and is unnecessary for this article. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point and few details have been released. I have thought about it, but there would be a lot of "unknown" numbers in there. If more details come out, then it might be workable. CrazyC83 15:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We could make that table work in this Article but we will have to wait untill the TCR comes out so we have more infomation on the Deaths and Damages for Felix Jason Rees 02:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I, for one, don't like that table. What is wrong with a simple impact table, like the following (with the correct values put in once finalized) Hurricanehink (talk) 02:23, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not even sure why that big table is even necessary. Having state totals would suffice, IMO, and even that is still probably too detailed. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: We should wait for now until we get some finalized numbers. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike Dean (or any US hurricane), this has a lot of vague numbers and few details. There are still hundreds missing (many of them - but not all - probably dead). Damage estimates are difficult to find as well as much of the damage in Central America is probably not insured, making a 2-to-1 ratio not correct. CrazyC83 14:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact table 

message: The two tags should be removed from the article. The system has fully dissipated as indiciated by both radar and satellite data from Mexico. The TPC has also issued its final advisory.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlysilentbob (talk • contribs) 18:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Tags 

message: Please get an updated track. I doubt it stopped on the Nicaragua/Honduras border. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 20:56, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Or to be more precise, we don't have any data with which we can update the track. We could eyeball it, but that's WP:OR, so we don't do it. So, we usually wait until we have a reliable source, which usually is the Tropical Cyclone Report (TCR) by the National Hurricane Center. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 02:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it looks like the last point is missing. The last point on the track is at TS strength when the last advisory was for a TD. --Ajm81 02:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track 

message: "_ref-6" is a 404...  http://www.miamiherald.com/news/americas/story/224930.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jelle (talk • contribs) 20:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  404 - broken reference 

message: It's got the prep, impact, and aftermath. What else? Juliancolton (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also got red wikilinks, which a GA article shouldn't have.  Either the articles need to be created, or the wikilinks removed.  Thegreatdr (talk) 17:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: While there may be excesive red links in this one, there a FAs that have at least a few red links. Otherwise, the last thing we need is a bunch of stubs, so I think we remove them. Juliancolton (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Still start?

message: Would they be appropriate for fixing up this article? Although it was quite a short-lived storm, I think we'd get interesting things in a storm history. Effects may be more difficult since major impacts were focused on one region...although I'd wait for the TCR to do such. CrazyC83 (talk) 14:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we have to wait for the TCR or preliminary report (same thing, I just don't know which one they ues now). But I think it could be a good idea. The meteorological history could be very interesting. Effects, and I agree with you, CrazyC83, could be hard. Juliancolton (talk) (Happy New Year!) 14:43, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub-articles? 

message: Very in-depth article, and detailed.
#Aren't hurricanes always destructive?
#Why are the times in UTC?
#"Made landfall" - no idea what that means
So far (that's just the lead so far). More later. Howdoyouturnthison (talk) 22:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments (for GA review) 

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thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: If I recall correctly, Hurricane Iota made landfall as a high-end Category 4. Wouldn't this make Felix still the southernmost Category 5 landfall? JoeMT615 (talk) 22:02, 22 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Southernmost hurricane landfall 

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replies: text: Not done: Infoboxes are not intended to convey more complex information like this; such is best left for the body. —Compassionate727 (T·C) 14:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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