Talk:55th Wing

message: This sounds a lot like something taken from a book or other source. -Trump
Insert from Strategic Air Command wings temporarily:
Buckshot06 03:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: In the Compenents section, there is a pretty good lengthy list of units both past and present. However, only the flying squadrons that were ever assigned to the wing are listed. None of the supporting units that reported directly to the wing are on this list. For instance, when I was stationed as part of the 55th SRW during the early 80s, there were 3 maintenance squadrons that were assigned directly to the wing headquarters; 55th Avionics Maintenance Sq (AMS), 55th Field Maintenance Sq (FMS), and the 55th Organizational Maintenance Sq (OMS). The problem here is, in order to list these on Wikipedia, we must have a "source" to reference in a citation. I've scoured the internet checking fact-sheets and 55th Wing historical sites, and it's as if these maintenance units never existed. Yet, we see from this article that maintenance is (and always has been) at least a major role of the wing. How can we correctly account for these essential units in this article? Is this article still on anyone's Watchlist? TadgStirkland401 (talk) 06:56, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to spend the time  will let you search for abstracts of histories mentioning support units for wings.  If you intend to include maintenance squadrons (1952-1991), don't forget that when the tri-deputy system was implemented in the 1970s, other support units were assigned directly to the wing (not to mention the bouncing back and forth of supply squadrons between the Air Base/Combat Support Group and the Wing). --Lineagegeek (talk) 23:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  , I checked the link you attached above and didn't find anything useful. To be honest, I am having troubke finding any mention of the units I talked about (55th AMS/FMS/OMS) anywhere on the web at all. It's like they never existed, which I find incredibly strange. I suppose at this point, it may be a lost cause... The only potential help might be to contact the Wing Historian's office. But any information he/she provides would be hard to properly cite in the article. TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 03:09, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi TadgStirkland401, no. It would be PD-USGOV, so no copyright problems; just go through the WT:OTRS ticket process. Buckshot06 (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi again. I think I mighta misstated the problem. I’m not worried about copyright per se. i was worried about how I could reliably cite an email response from the wing. I wrote to the Public Affairs office and they responded today that they forwarded my request to the wing historian. If that person sends me a full list of the units in question via email, how would I properly cite that? My understanding of citing material is that the source should be publicly available, as a book, magazine, newspaper, website, etc.. I think citing an email will be difficult. Thoughts? TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 02:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That is specifically what WT:OTRS can be used for. Stick a query in over there, and the e-mail, with your identifying information removed, can be uploaded to Wiki. Haven't used it myself. Can't remember whether it's Wikipedia or Commons, but the OTRS ticket process is how we get around that kind of problem. Buckshot06 (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is not correct. The no original research policy requires all information to come from published, reliable sources. For this reason, we cannot cite emails if they have not been published by a reliable source. OTRS is primarily for responding to questions/concerns about Wikipedia raised by readers who don't know how to edit. Additionally, if you have received permission to upload an image or other file to the Wikimedia Commons under a free copyright license, we also use OTRS to document that permission on file description pages. However, we cannot cite OTRS tickets for actual article content, unfortunately. Mz7 (talk) 00:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , thanks for the quick response. I also got the email response from you. I'll contact the Wing Historian and let him know I can't use his information. He stated because of the way the info is stored, it would take him a while to compile it, so better to know now than later. TadgStirkland401 (TadgTalk) 01:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Units Previously Assigned