Talk:Friedrich List

message: List was the only person who thought seriously about the obvious fact that international trade is not necessarily best for each nation considered as a separate entity.  
List's theory of development seems to me to be:
    a) Opening up of a backward economy to the global economy
    b) Protectionism for weak industries, once these have got started
    c) A careful opening up when the new industries mature
This was model for the growth of both the USA and Germany, and a perfect match for all successful moves from agriculture to industrial life.  The Republic of India also fits, Nehru favouring protectionism and some opening-up in recent years.  The East Asian 'Tiger' economies were also very protectionist when they were growing fast, as was Japan.
From a Listian viewpoint, the Soviet block's success with an ultra-protected economy in the 1930s and 1940s was entirely to be expected.  The error was then to be inconsistent and half-hearted in opening up while they were still world class.
From a Listian viewpoint, Mao was correct to close off China in the 1950s and Deng was correct to open up again in the 1980s, but to do so cautiously.  
Of course List was politicaly a liberal and would probably have disapproved of both Mao and Deng.  But the broad theory can be considered separately from the man's other opinions, just as Einstein's Theory of Relativity is accepted as true by people who would not share his belief in Socialism, Zionism and Pacifism (or would agree with some but not all of his political views).
--GwydionM 20:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The industialization programs of both Stalin and Mao were based on forced labor, so they hardly fit the theory of List. Actually, the whole point of his theory is to take politics into account, so considering the economic part of the theory separately from its political part is contrary to the very spirit of List's book. He insisted on writing on political economy.--Sredni vashtar 22:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List's Successful Economic Model 

message: The followers of Lyndon LaRouche seem to be enthusiasts for List.  Whether the feeling would have been returned is more doubtful.  Myself, I discovered List independently and have a low opinion of LaRouche.  Despite which, I have pointed to their sites where these seem usefull.
I'd be interested if anyone has information about the LaRouchian claim that "In September of 1931, the Friedrich List Society held a top-secret seminar in Berlin."  Did such a body actually exist?  I've googled, and every reference I've found has a LaRouchian flavour.
--GwydionM 20:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyndon LaRouche & List 

message: This article seems quite ecstatic about List. There should be a place for the contradictors' opinion, first of all. And why not mentioning List's nationalistic opinions ?
: Whose contradictory opinions?  Also List wasn't a nationalist in the modern sense - he saw a 'cosmopolitical world' as the desirable long-term outcome.  --GwydionM 17:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the article has a tone of praise that is not quite fitting. For instance, it mentions List's predictions about the rise of the US and Russia, but does not mention that, according to List, Holland and Denmark would be condemned to permanent economic backwardness unless they sought political union with Germany. Lots of his predictions were mixed with wishful thinking and pretty much off the mark, in fact. I think this should be somehow mirrored in the article, otherwise the readers get a wrong idea. --Sredni vashtar 22:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to correct the article's faults. WAS 4.250 15:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Point of view ? 

message: List would be more accurately described as a Political Economist. In his time economics meant political economy. 70.29.108.115 (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  economist vs political economist 

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message: I see this mentioned in the opening paragraph but it doesn't mention what his other citizenship was. Germany was not a united country prior to 1871 so I assume he was a citizen/subject of the kingdom of Wurttemburg? I'm pretty sure actually at that point in time dual citizenship didn't exist in the US and that you had to renounce fealty to any king in order to be a citizen. Can someone verify whether he actually somehow retained his citizenship in the kingdom of Wurttemburg?108.51.54.169 (talk) 06:21, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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