Talk:Lazare Ponticelli

message: If we say 'of Italian descent', that would include ANYONE who has Italian ancestors...→ R Young {yakłtalk} 11:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Including "Roberto Young" I might add. Extremely sexy 19:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I was just joking, man: please, chill, and stop calling names (from now on I have to agree with all the others accusing you of this). Extremely sexy 14:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No: he was definitely French in fact. Extremely sexy (talk) 16:00, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, lets just make this clear before this becomes another Ruby Muhummad. His parents were born in italy. he was born in Italy. He moved to France, where he died. Now end these idle arguements and actually look at the page (which I mostly wrote, in fact.) Editorofthewiki 23:19, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Italian descent

message: :GA review (see here for criteria)
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I have already made any changes that took me less time to make than it would have to explain. Here are some comments:
#The caption for the image needs to put it in more context, mainly when it was taken or something else to establish approximately how old he was when the picture was taken. 
#I'm a bit confused with the "Awards" section in the infobox - Médaille Interalliée (World War I Victory Medal (United States)) supposed to be one award? In any case, the link should be piped so that it reads World War I Victory Medal, but I didn't do this myself because I feel like there's a reason that this wasn't done that I'm missing. 
#Direct quotes must be directly cited, even if the reference appears again at the end of the sentence or paragraph. In the first paragraph of "Later life", Ponticelli is quoted as saying "in the name of all those who died, men and women", which requires a direct citation. 
#I wonder if the Benoît Hopquin quote is necessary. For one thing, Hopquin does not appear to be a notable figure (and, if he is, this should be explained before the quote). For another, it seems like a needless unbalancing of the POV of the article. Overall, I don't see how this quote is relevant in an encyclopedic context. It's a nice tribute, but that's not what an encyclopedic entry is for. I don't understand why this quote was picked - it seems very arbitrary and unnecessary to me.  Replaced by Sarkozy quote
#The "Biography" under "External links" needs to be described better (ie. Biography at such and such a site or something along those lines) 
#The lead needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Specifically, it must not introduce facts that are not present in the body of the article. The following information is not present in the body of the article: "At the time of his death, Ponticelli was both the oldest living man born in Italy and the oldest man living in France. In his later years, he was very critical of war in general and kept his war awards in a shoe box", aside from the mention that he was "very critical of war in general" (although, to be a pedant, I'd argue that the article only shows that he was "critical" as opposed to being "very critical", but that's just me) 
As a side comment, and not one that I'm going to hold against passing this as a Good Article, the article would probably benefit from more foreign-language sources. Obviously if you can't speak the language, then there's nothing that can be done but, if you're looking for ways to further improve the article, that might be something to think about. Anyhow, to allow for these concerns to be addressed, I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Cheers, CP 01:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. The ? for NPOV was because of the earlier quote that I felt unbalanced the POV, but the new one is relevant and good. One last tiny thing, the following sentence from the lead needs to be incorporated and cited somewhere in the body of the article per WP:LEAD and WP:V: "At the time of his death, Ponticelli was both the oldest living man born in Italy and the oldest man living in France." After that, I should be ready to pass it. Cheers, CP 19:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I will now be passing the article as a Good Article. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 00:00, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: Slight issue: In the prose, his date of birth is said to be the 7th or the 24th, but above the picture it says 14th or 24th. SiameseTurtle (talk) 00:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. ~the editorofthewiki (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 00:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ponticelli's date of birth, according to the civil registry, was 7 December 1897, although this is likely to be a mistake. It was probably recorded as 27 December 1897 in the registry and the "2" was eroded. Ponticelli's mother remembered giving birth on 24 December and that a snowstorm delayed any exit from the house for three days. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 19:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate 

message: They don't work for me. -- Kendrick7talk 19:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting; they work fine for me. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 19:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They work fine for me too, might be a problem with your browser. LonelyMarble (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [a] and [b] reference links don't work? 

message: The last paragraph of the Later Life section discusses events of 2009-03-17 in the past tense. Which is correct? The past tense or the 2009-03-17 date? 204.210.242.157 (talk) 16:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it talks about 2008, so past-tense is right. SiameseTurtle (talk) 17:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup. You're right. I completely missed that all this happened a year ago. Thanks. 204.210.242.157 (talk) 20:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Past tense for future event (for 2009-03-17) 

message: I decided to come back and have a quick look at this article, however I stopped reading after the second "sentence": Born in Italy, he travelled at the age of eight (8) on his own in 1906. Without a reference, it's hard to know to what this refers (let alone be able to fix it). I am surprised to see this in a FA. Is this just article rot, or has the FA process collapsed? (The problem was introduced with this edit.) P.S. appending the "(8)" is horrible.  HWV258.  21:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence? 

message: The whole article needs a sift through. For example: "Born in Italy, he travelled at the age of eight (8) on his own in 1906." is just weird.
"Ponticelli was the oldest living man of Italian birth and the oldest man living in France"—after what year?
There's chain linking (Sarkozy and French President?) and repeat linking (how many times WW1?).
MOS issues: for example, a quotation is rendered entirely in italics. Tony (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  copy-edit tag 

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