Talk:Naruto: Clash of Ninja/Archive 1

message: Please! Someone changed it! It has almost no ino about each game. Characters, stages, all gone. I cant change it! I dont know how!
STAGES! NOW!
they are doing things one step at a time so calm down and be patient Kyuubi29 14:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a reason. You just failed to notice the discussion. // DecaimientoPoético 02:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change it back

message: if tayuya is playable the other sound four might be playable i dont know about kimmimaro. Kyuubi29 14:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sound Four and Kimmimaro

message: They definitely are not going to be in Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution. The anime is nowhere near this arc (or series, they are from Shippuden).
:That isn't proof. You need to find an actual source saying they won't be in the game. ~SnapperTo 19:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deidara and Sasori wont be in Revolution

message: Nevermind, someone helped me. Thanks to whoever it is! 76.108.235.13 02:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need some help... 

message: I finally added the Gamecube stages, but does anyone here know the Ex stages? 76.108.235.13 04:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the stages section as they are little more than different-looking backdrops. If they were a bit more interesting they might be worth of mentioning, though even then a simple mention under each game stating how they are interesting would be better suited. ~SnapperTo 04:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously? I was working on that thing for hours...Fine 76.108.235.13 04:19, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, you reply really quickly. Anyway, most fighting games don't list stages (and some, I've noticed, don't even list characters). Sorry for the inconvenience. ~SnapperTo 04:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, there's nothing better to do :p That's ok 76.108.235.13 04:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gamecube Stages Added 

message: Now that we've made a step in the right direction (receives hate from all the anons above) by condensing the game articles, we can move forward. I'm torn between whether general reception and gameplay deserve entire sections of their own, noting changes throughout the games, or we can use the present sections and note changes in gameplay, development, and reception for each under their specific title. Perhaps a "general gameplay" section noting aspects present in all (or most at least) games would be appropiate. Discuss. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 06:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the general gameplay section idea. A general reception I'm not so sure about though, because you really can't compare a mediocre game like Clash of Ninja (my opinion) with one like Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4 76.108.235.13 18:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, added general gameplay :) 76.108.235.13 00:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Despite what I said earlier, I made a general reception section anyway. If anyone has anything to add, please do so, because I'm not sure if it is completely accurate 76.108.235.13 01:06, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Not true. I  just checked it and it is 3/5. 76.108.235.13 11:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Than the site and video have different responses, perhasps they are different reviewers. But as of now, it will remain as 3/5. 76.108.235.13 23:39, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things to do... 

message: Can someone please tell me what's so different between Demon Fox Naruto and One-tailed Naruto that they have to be listed separately? It's not very logical to me. // DecaimientoPoético 23:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using my knowledge of GNT4, "Demon Fox Naruto" is merely regular Naruto with somewhat more aggressive attacks, a la his fight with Haku. I take it that this form is a separate character from the regular Naruto in the early games. "One-Tailed Naruto" is a new Naruto that relies on using his chakra-shield-thing for attacks, a la his fight with Sasuke at the end of Part I. This form is a separate character in GNT4. ~SnapperTo 23:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see now. The separation makes a bit more sense to me, now that you have cleared up my confusion. Thanks, and I apologize for any inconvenience I may have caused earlier. // DecaimientoPoético 23:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demon Fox Naruto and One-tailed Naruto 

message: do the question marks mean that you dont know if they are in the game
:That would be correct. Any unknown characters are marked with question marks. // DecaimientoPoético 00:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  im confused 

message: I've noticed in previous talks you say that we already moved in favor of a merger. Now I'm wondering, who exactly is "we"?
If there was more support for a merger, so many people wouldn't be up in arms. It's seems that this "we" you talk of only included those who work on Wikipedia, not the ones who look to it for information.
:It seems that these "many people" have yet to come up with a good reason for giving each game an article. There is next to nothing that was in the individual articles you can't find here. ~SnapperTo 06:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone who took part in the discussion agreed on the mergers. It was not until afterwards that people started coming out of the woodworks to complain about it. It is nobody's fault that these people were unaware of the discussion. And, given their current arguments in favor of giving each game an article, I doubt it would have mattered whether they knew about it or not. ~SnapperTo 06:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: It makes little difference if they had taken part in the discussion if they can't come up with a good reason for giving each game an article. It could be 99 against 1, yet if the only reason those 99 can come up with is "that sux", "this is stupid", and "ur gay", the 1 would win the argument. When they can come up with a good reason we'll take their opinion into consideration. And Wikipedia is not at the mercy of what someone might find helpful, hence the reason why my kindergarten teacher doesn't have her own article. ~SnapperTo 07:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is we? 

message: We need stages, the special moves of the characters, unlockables, and boxarts. Ok?             (the awesome coolness person)
:Stage/unlockable/special attack lists: cruft. Box art: decorative fair use images that would do more harm than good to the article. // DecaimientoPoético 23:47, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: One boxart image would be acceptable, as per List of Bleach Agent of the Shinigami arc episodes. One for each game, however, is excessive and fair use abuse. ~SnapperTo 03:03, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Image added. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: We need...

message: Ultimately, the character table needs to be sourced. Whether it's via sourcing the instruction manual, a game guide, or any reliable source, it eventually needs to be done. If anyone has the above (as I am bereft of any of these games), please add sources. Thank you. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 01:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing needs 

message: Excuse me, but where exactly has Ino Yamanaka, Temari, and Sharingan Kakashi (along with S. Sasuke) been comfirmed? Unless I get a reliable source, I'll take it as speculation as opposed to a fact and remove it. 76.108.241.23 21:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ino, Sharingan Kakashi, and Sharingan Sasuke are playable in Clash of Ninja 2. Temari is playable in Naruto Gekitou Ninja Taisen 3 (Clash of Ninja 3)Kyuubi29 16:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he was refering to Revolution; at least, that's how I interpreted it. At any rate, Sharingan Kakashi was confirmed in a picture some time ago. As for the others, I don't think they were confirmed yet. // DecaimientoPoético 16:37, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing a picture for Sharingan Kakashi, but Temari and Ino will have to be removed. 76.108.241.23 20:35, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  If I may ask.. 

message: if you can transform into demon naruto whats the point of having him as a seperate character4.255.207.208 23:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because he's a separate character in some games but fused into Naruto in others. // DecaimientoPoético 01:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: You should really be more clear on that the first time you post. In the first two games, Demon Fox Naruto can be selected as a separate character; however, in other games, he's been fused into Naruto himself. That's why you see the 1 next to the check mark indicating his fusion with Naruto Uzumaki.
it still doesnt make no sense4.255.204.67 23:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

text: How does it not make sense, may I ask? In the first two games (not three), both Naruto and Demon Fox Naruto were individual characters. Starting from the third, by pressing down-b (back-b in later games) Naruto and a few other characters can transform into alternate forms, in this case Demon Fox Naruto. One-tailed Naruto, however was only in Gekitou Ninja Taisen 4 as a completely different and individual character, so don't get him confused with Demon Fox Naruto. 76.108.241.23 10:16, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

text: He is NOT another character in Revolution. He has been comfirmed to be an in-game transformation. 76.108.241.23 13:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

text: This is the clearest way I can explain this: Demon Fox Naruto is a separate character in Clash of Ninja and Clash of Ninja 2. In every game after that, he's fused into Naruto Uzumaki (meaning you have to hit certain buttons during gameplay to use him). When one character is fused into another, we add 1 next to the check mark confirming them. We have Demon Fox Naruto's Revolution appearance marked with 1 because he has been fused. The reason we have him listed as a separate character is because he's separate from Naruto in the first two games, despite the fact he's not in Revolution. If you still don't get it, I honestly don't know what to say. // DecaimientoPoético 00:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  this makes no sense 

message: i found a conr website that confirms alot of characters
:which is it
:It doesn't help unless you give us the link. // DecaimientoPoético 01:23, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  website  

message: i think that temari and kankuro have been confirmed in the latest edition of nintendo power
:I'm aware of that (it's been stated a few times in edit summaries), but it has to be cited. That means adding Nintendo Power issue #, page #, etc. (or something akin to that). Without the reference, no changes to their playable appearance will be made and kept. // DecaimientoPoético 03:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think 

message: Hinata is also confirmed in a screen shot at 
http://media.wii.ign.com/media/856/856011/img_4745180.html
thats sasuke and kakashi4.255.205.215 23:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hinata 

message: This is for CONFIRMED characters only. DO NOT change whether or not a character is playable in a game without proof. Any edits that do not give sources in their edit summaries or on the talk page will be reverted.
where does it say that all those characters where confirmed
:Which characters are you refering to? It might help if you were a bit more specific. // DecaimientoPoético 16:02, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kisame, along with Itachi, has been cited. // DecaimientoPoético 15:17, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you even bother looking for yourself every once in a while? http://news.softpedia.com/news/Naruto-Clash-of-Ninja-Revolution-The-Fact-Sheet-from-Nintendo-56346.shtml // DecaimientoPoético 23:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

text: That's because we're citing a magazine, not a website. // DecaimientoPoético 17:31, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: We cite the magazine name, volume number, and page number. If you have the magazine, then you can see it for yourself; however, if you don't have the magazine, then you can't. Big deal. There are millions of people who use this site, and I'm sure more than a handful can confirm our reference to be true. // DecaimientoPoético 02:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: That's crazy. Books are sometimes used for references, whether you like it or not. We're not about to start removing every instance of a, let's say, manga reference in the Naruto and Bleach character articles just because you don't have the volumes. // DecaimientoPoético 20:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  confirmation 

message: I Think since this game is a fusion of GNT3,4,EX. This Game Should Have every Character
from the Sound 4 Series and kyubi Naruto and Cursed seal 2 Sasuke Since this Games incorporates a Shippuden Plotline and should Have Awakened Hinata. I mean if they are going to shippuden they might as well take everything and from the other Gamez.
:We'd still need confirmation on the characters before adding them to the list. Also, with only 14 new characters being added to the series, I don't think we're getting every character in the table. // DecaimientoPoético 16:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Characters 

message: New characters were revealed in an IGN update for Clash of Ninja: Revolution, 8-23-07.  The three new characters revealed were Hinata, returning from Clash of Ninja 2, and Shino and Tenten, both newcomers to Clash of Ninja.  I added them to the confirmed character list, complete with references. DaRk StRiDeR 06:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New update on IGN, more characters revealed for Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution 

message: Kyle Hebert has confirmed on his blog that he recorded voice work for Clash of Ninja: Revolution.
http://gohanvox.livejournal.com/100560.html
does this work as a source for checking off Kiba as playable?
I don't know... is there a way to confirm for the skeptics (I'm not one, but there's some people that are pretty fussy about refs) that it's one: actually him posting on the blog, and two: that it is Kiba he voiced, as he has voiced two other character besides Kiba on Naruto?  I have never doubted that Kiba will be in the game, and right now I have no doubt in my mind that it is Kiba he voiced for the game, but I think it's safe just to wait 'til the character line-up comes out soon on IGN.  Again, this is to please the skeptics... if it was my Wikipedia, I'd add it right now. DaRk StRiDeR 09:42, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  proof that Kiba will be in Clash of Ninja Revolution? sort of. 

message: Can someone kindly tell me if there is proof that Jiraiya, Tsunade, and Sarutobi/Third Hokage will in Revolution? Because I was just wondering, after all I want to play with my baby Tsunade when I get it. Jiraiya & Sarutobi are just characters I want to try out. Alpha296 18:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Until you see a check mark and a little number in brackets besides it for each character, I'm sorry to say they're not in. // DecaimientoPoético 01:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is Jiraiya, Tsunade, or Sarutobi/Third Hokage in Revolution 

message: I just want to say how much I despise this new layout. Why can't the games have their own articles? Why just list them in one article? I think it's stupid; people looking at Naruto-related articles could've just clicked on the List of Naruto video games link and pick the CoN game they wanted to look at. But now, they have to look at this crap heap. Can't we revert to the old style? This merged style is a total dung-heap. Everyone in favor of reverting back to the old style say "Aye!" AYE!! Link 486 21:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How many times can we possibly explain this? This is a result of a discussion; so many people either didn't notice or simply didn't care enough to comment, so we merged the articles (I use the term loosely, as they were simply stubs and were doubtful to get any better). For more on all this, see: Talk:List of Naruto video games#Combining the game articles, #Change it back, #I Agree. Change it back., #I agree with the others, CHANGE IT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, #Im the guy from, CHANGE IT BACK!!, #Who is we?, and #Continuation of who is we?. // DecaimientoPoético 23:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Unless you have something better to say besides the fact you don't like it, it stays as it is. Merging the "articles" was the best thing we could have done with them. // DecaimientoPoético 01:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Again, you'll need something more than "I don't like it" to even make us consider moving it back. That, or you could just be bold and do it yourself. Though I warn you, you probably won't succeed. If there's nothing more you wish to say besides what's already been said, I suggest this discussion end. // DecaimientoPoético 02:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CHANGE IT BACK! CHANGE IT BACK!! CHANGE IT BACK!!!