Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe by population

message: I don't really care how strict you are with who gets to be in this list or if you focus on population or area etc., but be sure to fix it! I would also want to exclude dependent territories and add them to to their respective countries. Some "problematic countries": Denmark, Iceland, Russia, Turkey, Cyprus, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. I don't think it's wise letting 1. claims to Antarctica and 2. insignificant overseas areas be enough to exclude anyone from this list. Be reasonable, but across-the-board, with this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.167.162.181 (talk) 17:32, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of Countries 

message: All the transcontinental countries except Turkey, somehow, in the list. Wheather it makes you happy or not, Turkey is considered as a transcontinental country partly in Europe such as Russia, also included in the all statistics of Europe in wikipedia articles, not mentioning Europe sections of major worldwide media companiea ranging from BBC to CNN.
We have to put Turkey to list and so i am doing now.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogussahin (talk • contribs) 11:14, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Say No To RACISM! 

message: I think Turkey is in europe
Those of you who think that people of Yakut (Russia) should be included in Europe, but not Turks from Istanbul, Canakkale, Edirne, Tekirdag, Kirklareli... Read the title.
By the way; Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan should be included in the list. And Cyprus should be removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khagannn (talk • contribs) 23:03, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Constantinople is a European city, you are correct. However, the majority of Turkey's landmass lies in Asia. Turkey's population is descended from Central Asia and Turkey is ethnically and socially very distant from Europe. The above-mentioned treaties are political in nature and a symbolic gesture towards Turkey to open her markets for European goods. Really, why do you Turks think you have anything in common with Europe? It's very flattering, but somewhat pathetic at the same time. Perhaps you should seek closer ties with your Middle Eastern brethren? Koalorka (talk) 05:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Russia is historically tied to continental Europe, ethnically, culturally, linguistically. Russians are indigenous to what is continental Europe. The Asian Russia is a result of recent territorial expansion. That is also why Russia is not considered an Asian country outside of the strict geographic sense. Turkey however, apart from an insignificant holding on the European continent (less than 3%) of it's entire landmass and does not originally belong to Turkey has absolutely nothing in common with Europe. Your pushing  a very narrow POV interpretation. Koalorka (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also removed the images and maps. They serve no purpose. Are we to believe Turkey is all of a sudden European because of a shiny skyscraper? I've been to Turkey on several occasions and I'm familiar with the crushing poverty and general backwardness. Koalorka (talk) 05:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Throw yourself out of your window 

message: * Turkey is a founding member of the Council of Europe since 1949, a founding member of the OECD since 1961, a founding member of the OSCE since 1973 and an associate member of the Western European Union since 1992. Turkey signed a Customs Union agreement with the EU in 1995 and was officially recognised as a candidate for full membership on December 12th, 1999. And Istanbul, Turkey's most populous city, and its cultural and financial center is in Europe. Istanbul was chosen a European Capital of Culture for 2010. In this list I couldn't see Turkey and I added it. But User:Koalorka thinks that Turkey is Asian! How can it be? If Cyprus is a European country, Turkey must be European too! Because Cyprus is completely in Asia and it's sociopolitical Europe.  Izmir lee (talk) 04:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Constantinople is a European city, you are correct. However, the majority of Turkey's landmass lies in Asia. Turkey's population is descended from Central Asia and Turkey is ethnically and socially very distant from Europe. The above-mentioned treaties are political in nature and a symbolic gesture towards Turkey to open her markets for European goods. Really, why do you Turks think you have anything in common with Europe? It's very flattering, but somewhat pathetic at the same time. Perhaps you should seek closer ties with your Middle Eastern brethren? Koalorka (talk) 05:02, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Russia is historically tied to continental Europe, ethnically, culturally, linguistically. Russians are indigenous to what is continental Europe. The Asian Russia is a result of recent territorial expansion. That is also why Russia is not considered an Asian country outside of the strict geographic sense. Turkey however, apart from an insignificant holding on the European continent (less than 3%) of it's entire landmass and does not originally belong to Turkey has absolutely nothing in common with Europe. Your pushing  a very narrow POV interpretation. Koalorka (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I also removed the images and maps. They serve no purpose. Are we to believe Turkey is all of a sudden European because of a shiny skyscraper? I've been to Turkey on several occasions and I'm familiar with the crushing poverty and general backwardness. Koalorka (talk) 05:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkey is a European country

message: How can Turkey be excluded while the countries that have absolutely no territory in Europe like Armenia and Cyprus are included?
European Turkey is larger than many countries in Europe and has over 10 million people thus has larger population than most countries in Europe.
Istanbul is one of the most significant cities in European history. How can you even compare it to Spanish holdings in Africa?!
Turkey is a founding member of Council of Europe as well as many other organizations in Europe.
There is no contest here really. Turkey is to be included in this list. Period.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brsh (talk • contribs) 05:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Says who? The Council of Europe is an international organization with a loose worldwide membership that includes Iceland, the Caucasus nations and observers such as Canada, the USA and Israel. And Turkey was not a founding member of the COE, it was Belgium, Denmark, France, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the United Kingdom that established the organization. Constantinople played a major part in European history until its sacking by the Ottomans in the 15th century, it declined in importance since then. There really is no case for Turkey in this context, East Thrace is a minute territorial outpost of Turkey who's landmass, population are focused in Anatolia, which is on the Asian continent. Koalorka (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Armenia and Cyprus are included symbolically as they share a common history and culture with Europe, Turkey does not. In fact, I would not argue if both were removed from the list as well. Koalorka (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Turkey is a nation that is partially in Europe and therefore should be included in all facts regarding Europe, don't forget the majority of Russian landmass is also in Asia so in terms of size it should never be included in Europe by some people's arguments. I'm putting it in its rightful place as a European nation. Oh and  you can't say many Europeans hate Turks therefore Turkey is not in Europe? So was Germany not in Europe during and immediately after WWII when it was loathed? I think not, that's a ridiculous argument. Mspence835 (talk) 19:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey 

message: shouldn't the french population be given as the metropolitan population rather than the population including oversees areas, since this is about europe. :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abc26324 (talk • contribs) 11:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Population 

message: What are those numbers based on in that list? What year? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's very much a mish-mash at the moment. I plan on working on this list next month, in order to ensure consistency. --WFC-- 16:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conditions 

message: What is up with the dependencies? Why not co-dependencies are included such as one that are part of the Swiss Confederation and the numerous Russian republics? Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 16:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak for the Aland Islands, but the crown dependencies are not part of the United Kingdom, but are part of Europe. I'm a relative novice, but my understanding is that the other entities you refer to are part of Switzerland and the Russian Federation respectively. --WFC-- 16:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dependencies 

message: I personally think this list is here to provide information about the size of the countries, not to declare a country European or non-European or its political state. Therefore, as for some it may be interesting to compare also such states or political entities whose status is not clear, I would argue for the inclusion of many "European" "countries" (such as Kosovo, Georgia, Abkhazia etc.) - again, not as a claim that these countries are European or that these countries are countries, but simply to provide information about them. That said, and acknowledging the geographic and historical affinity to Europe of some countries, namely Turkey and the Caucasian republics, which might serve as arguments for their inclusion in Europe - and so, even if that's still a matter of debate, I do see them as belonging in this list - I am yet to understand how Kazakhstan can, even remotely, be considered a part of Europe. 188.169.229.30 (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion in the list 

message: How come Azerbaijan and Georgia are in Europe and Armenia isn't, when they all are part of Transcaucasus or South Caucasus. Armenia has a history of 5000 years, and has more in common with Europe than Azerbaijan.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aram-van (talk • contribs) 12:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Armenia

message: There is a merge proposal tag at the top of this list that has been there for a long time. I personally think the data here can be put into the sortable table at List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe. The small amount of extra information can be included in Demographics of Europe, which incidentally also already has a sortable #Population by country table. What do others think? Rennell435 (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree DLinth (talk) 16:09, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge or not?

message: According to the source given in the article, Germany is not losing people. Thanks to migration they are gaining people. I think, that the spanish version is correct. Sorry for my not so good English, but it is not my mother tongue 213.47.238.25 (talk) 22:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany is not losing people 

message: LOL --
Portugal's official population today is 10,479,630 not 10.7 million. Why changing to something is wrong?Good Hope Phanta (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Portugal not on the list? 

message: I've carefully read the introduction and list of countries in the article List of European countries by population and then compared it with the list of countries in List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe, I believe Transnistria deserve to be included in the list, under the same criteria as Kosovo, with a note under the table stating "Disputed territory, claimed by Moldova." Energy110 (talk) 03:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: SUPPORT110.5.117.243 (talk) 10:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transnistria