Talk:Klezmer

message: I removed the following sentence. It struck me as a subjective judgement, not a statement of fact:
"Unlike rock, or African-influenced music, klezmer is made for dancing while holding hands, or dancing with a partner."
One might also argue that the idea of dancing "with a partner" is not quite what Ashkenazi dances were about. Hmoulding 15:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit explained 

message: "...especially wedding repertoire, since Jewish weddings would last several days..."
It links to a Jewish wedding article, which does not exist and which I doubt will ever exist. Maybe it should link to wedding, even though at the time wedding does not have anything on Jewish weddings in particular. --Mr. Jenkins 02:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jewish Wedding" Link 

message: I removed Rzeszow Klezmer Band - official website of Polish Klezmer Group from the list of external links because it's spam. The band isn't even widely known in Poland and has little to do with original klezmer tradition.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.156.18.190 (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Should we have articles for individual songs?  Oyfen Pripatchek, Bamir bist du shane...?
Joe407 (talk) 06:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean Oyfn Pripetchek, Bei Mir Bistu Shein, no? Bar-abban (talk) 19:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Songs 

message: I noticed that the entire section on modes is lifted from this article by Josh Horowitz:   some of it was rephrased here or there, but pretty much every statement comes from that article.  That's why I put a copyright tag on the section. I'll try working on it when I have some time..Dan Carkner (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plagiarized sections of article 

message: In the article one can read that "The Roma influence is, perhaps, the strongest and most enduring of the musical styles that influenced traditional klezmer musicians. Klezmer musicians heard and adapted traditional Roma music, which is reflected in the dance forms found throughout surviving klezmer music repertoire (e.g., Horas, Doinas, Sirbas, and Bulgars etc.)". I edited "Roma" to "Romanian" but it seems that somebody does not agree with that and had reversed back to Roma. I wonder what is his/her argument. My point is that a) Romanian folklore (especially from the north-east) is very similar with Klezmer, b) Hora, Doina, Sirba are Romanian genres of music and c) if somebody follows the links to Hora, Doina or Sirba, he will find that these are related to Romanian music; hence this is another source of confusion between Romanians and Roma people. So, dear editor, could you please be so kind to provide some reference supporting the idea that Roma influence on klezmer is stronger than Romanian influence?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.115.16.203 (talk) 22:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that this back-and-forth is still going on 8 years later. Let me be clear to any would-be-editors, it should say Romanian. The musicians playing the music may have been Romani in many cases but what is being discussed there is music from Romania specifically.--Dan Carkner (talk) 02:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion between Romanian music and Roma music 

message: Let me start by saying that I know nothing about this subject. I only know there may currently be an invalid statement in the article. The article states: "Many believe Gershwin was influenced by the Yiddish of his youth, and that the opening of "Rhapsody in Blue" was a nod to klezmer clarinetting."I was looking at an IP editor's edits and noticed this removal of the word "mistakenly" of the aforementioned sentence. The IP editor has made just two edits; the other edit is strange. I decided to look into the history of this article, because maybe "mistakenly" needs to be put back in.The current ref was added here. The IP editor removed the word "mistakenly" before the ref was added. This seems to indicate the IP editor was right about removing the word "mistakenly". However, going further back, before someone added citation needed, a citation was removed that was added here when the text was put into the article. The original citation is also from a book and even though it's not possible to read the book via Google Books, it is possible to look up the citation and it's actually in the book.So now the question is, which book is right? I didn't read the actual citations, but I decided to add this post on the Talk page to let you know that there may currently be an invalid statement in the article. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 19:10, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gershwin 

message: Shouldn't he be mentioned?211.225.33.104 (talk) 23:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pete Sokolow  

message: When reading the book American Klezmer: Its Roots and Offshoots, I found that 'Vulekhl' is described as being similar to a doina rather than a freylekhs. What is the source for the 'Song types' section? I'd like to have a look. Biopsomu (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, now that I look at the book again, it uses that name for both forms (the dance form as "volekhl", but distinguishes it from a freylekhs. Confusing. Biopsomu (talk) 22:22, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vulekhl 

message: Recently added. Looks like some may be useful as references: --Ronz (talk) 16:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved to talk: Bibliography

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: good morning, I have an En translation to ישראל זוהר  
he asked me to put it in wiki, but I have no experience in EN content. is there any one who would like to do it? thank you very much, Refaella (talk) 06:37, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  klezmer Israel Zohar - from Heb to En 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi folks who watch this page, I've been working on improving coverage of klezmer and Yiddish music topics on Wikipedia for the last year (see my sub-page where I have been trying to assess and group the coverage). During this process I've had several klezmer scholars and musicians contact me to mention how much the state of this main article bothers them (incorrect or irrelevant information, self-promotion, etc). I feel it is too much for me to fix on my own--I could go around deleting parts of it that I don't like, but it's a big topic and I don't think it should only reflect my views. But unfortunately not many klezmer scholars are familiar or comfortable with editing wikipedia. So I am going to collect some comments from some of those people and we will edit it in a session in about 3 weeks. Feel free to let me know here if you have any interest in being involved in this review.--Dan Carkner (talk) 03:05, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Will start making edits this weekend based on feedback I received and then will probably consult with how it looks and continue revising. Feel free to give me any feedback here too if you have it.--Dan Carkner (talk) 13:55, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I am planning to improve this article in collaboration with some scholars of klezmer in the coming weeks. 

message: The latter article heavily overlaps with Klezmer. Wait, what I am saying? In fact, there is close to no text about specifically fiddle. Loew Galitz (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly would support such a merger. The Klezmer fiddle article appears to have been changed a lot since I last saw it a year ago - but in a way that made it just a retread of the subject covered by the Klezmer article itself. --Dan Carkner (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Just to add - actually, it hasn't been changed a lot in the past year, I must be mixing it up with something else. But still support the merge. --Dan Carkner (talk) 01:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This has been sitting around for a while, is there some kind of timeframe where these things are usually put in motion? I would do it myself but I wrote most of this Klezmer article so it feels like a conflict of interest. --Dan Carkner (talk) 01:32, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:   I think you can go and merge it if you're willing to - I don't think it'll be a COI, and without somebody actually doing that merge this discussion wouldn't lead to anything. With 5 supports (4 + nom) and no opposes it's pretty safe and non-controversial thing to do. Artem.G (talk) 16:15, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, will look into what can be merged/salvaged from the fiddle article, thanks. --Dan Carkner (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I support such a merge as well. newmila (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from [[Klezmer fiddle]] 

message: So much information on Klezmer music, but no pointers to some media examples, namely LPs or CDs, that one could buy or search for at a library. Very disappointing that the article lacks this.Dogru144 (talk) 08:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Discography, please!

message: This Yiddish artist,composer, producer,and artist have use his Jewish traditions in the new wave of today ,in order that people understand the old traditions. 150.195.37.108 (talk) 08:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not every artist inspired by the genre should be in the Wikipedia article. It would become far too long, not to mention issues of notability. Dan Carkner (talk) 07:33, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  yyyoungcut & klezmer music. 

message: Sorry, I put a merge template on Dreydlekh to be combined into the Style subsection here at Klezmer. The article at Dreydlekh seems to duplicate some of the info here but with lower quality citations. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:41, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Support merge - better to have one good and well-sourced article than several bad ones. Besides, dreydlekh seems to be not notable as a single topic, but only within klezmer. Artem.G (talk) 16:20, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Klbrain (talk) 15:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggesting merge from [[Dreydlekh]] 

message: I cannot provide any sources, however, I note that the etymology of "Klezmer" could also very easily come from the Yiddish words kleyn tsimer (small room). If so, could it be that the word effectively means something like Zimmermusik (salon or chamber music) from Old/High German? Rutthe2 (talk) 15:37, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the concept of it, but isn't the etymology well established in literature already, coming from a Hebrew origin  and not a Germanic one? Including proposed other etymologies in the article without any basis in secondary works would go against Wikipedia's rules about original research. Dan Carkner (talk) 01:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology