Talk:Kepi

message: An odd name like 'kepi' demands an explanation. --Smack (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is not referring to the origins of the word "kepi". It derives from the Swiss German word "chaeppi" and it probably found its way to the French Military through the Swiss mercenaries who used to fight for foreign countries such as France during centuries.
  Seems alike to how "Huguenots" stems also from the Swiss German "Eidgenossen"88.104.159.79 (talk) 23:32, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: The entirely French centred origin is probably in error, especially citing that as the main influence of the American version of the hat. Reading "British Military Spectacle: From the Napoleonic wars through the Crimea" (a book about British military uniform of that period) the author Scott Hughes Myerly describes the origin of the hat style as being primarily Prussian, and influential in the change of the Shako style from the Belgic (Bell Shako) to the Kepi style. He also explains that it was from a touring party of Prussian soldier in the United States that the style was adopted. -These are styles of headdress where the diameter of the top is narrower than that of the bottom, unlike the French version which is straight. OzoneO (talk) 07:28, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That is an interesting premise but I think that Scott Hughes Myerly may be confusing the kepi with the wide-topped forage cap with a leather peak, as worn by the US Army from 1839 - most notably as service dress during the 1846-48 Mexican-American War. This peaked cap was definitely of Prussian origin. However in 1850 a general order announced the introduction of a new basic uniform for the entire US Army which closely followed changes made in the French Army five years before - including the casquette or kepi. As worn by the French infantry in the Crimean War of 1853-56, this was identical in all but colour to the US/CSA Civil War headdress. Like its North American counterpart, the French kepi had a narrower crown than base until the early 1880s - only then did it became straight sided. Regards Buistr (talk) 20:12, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The French kepi popularised a form that had appeared first in the Austrian cavalry during the Napoleonic wars. It was essentially a soft crowned version of the shako, (another form that had originated in the army of the Hapsburg empire- a conical cap of Serb origin with the addition of a peak or visor).  Described successively as Holzmutze then Feldmutze,  this form lasted until 1851 when the cavalry adopted the fore-and-aft, folding Lagermutze with  a chin strap. The conical peaked cap remained in use as an 'off-duty' cap for both cavalry and infantry.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JF42 (talk • contribs) 01:03, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  wider origins 

message: did a story called the kepi someone should mention it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.1.1.212 (talk) 19:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  guy de maupassant 

message: I read that the reason the French Police discarded the kepi was that the European Union decided that those from other member countries couldn't be expected to immediately tell who were the police and who were just military personnel wandering about. This would be important if police assistance was needed in a hurry, or if the "European citizen" couldn't understand French very well and was accosted by a policeman -- or would that be a military official? The Germans too had distinctive caps for town police, which I think they similarly had to discard. Your statement about vehicles is silly. The French have driven cars for years. 4.154.253.61 (talk) 03:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your unnamed source is incorrect (and 30 years out of date). The French Police Nationale discarded the kepi in 1982, replacing it with a low peaked cap described as being of American style. The reasons given in media statements at the time were that the rigid kepi was inconvenient for ordinary use and too high to be comfortably worn in police vehicles. The European Union had nothing to do with it.121.73.91.201 (talk) 09:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diktat of the European Union 

message: I can't help but notice that the use of the kepi by the Nazi-era SA is not mentioned at all. 
I think that's perhaps a bit too political.
Wikipedia is suppose to be a neutral realistic reference.  83.85.150.246 (talk) 20:39, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps not excluded for political reasons. Round caps with straight sides and peaks have worn by many organisations in many countries under different names. Strictly speaking a "kepi" is the version worn by the French military and police for about 160 years or close copies of it. The cap worn by the SA and other Nazi bodies was longer and narrower in shape and appears to have been derived from that worn by German mountain units in World War I. Certainly it is unlikely to have been a conscious imitation of the kepi - military symbol of France the old enemy!Buistr (talk) 21:46, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing reference 

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message: I'm afraid there's a basic misunderstanding here. Belgian troops (post-Napoleonic) had two types of headgear: one for parade and campaign, and one "undress". The styles varied widely from one branch to another. The képi was introduced as a third option for officers only. It was a different thing from the bonnet de police, kwartiermuts, or chapski.
As for the Yser cap, some call it a képi and some don't. Issue was only partial, and it was soon ditched in favour of the British style.
Please read the sources again, especially Pawley.Hengistmate (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belgium. 

message: Long before the French somehow thought it cleverlike to kit out both their French foreign legion, their army, their police and their gendamerie paramilitaries in the same headdress, the aforesaid straight kepi was nowt but a railwaymen's headwear in the northern European lands of Britain and Germany. Has can be seen in the 1937 German film "Der Mann, Der Sherlock Holmes War" which is set in the 1880s at the most. "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.159.79 (talk) 04:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  British railwaymen have donned straight kepis long before the French army, police and paramilitaries 

message: Nation of Islam kepis...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_Islam
British railwaymen kepis...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=british+railways+victorian+uniform&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVwuqKjufZAhViJsAKHWRFAEcQ_AUICigB#imgrc=_
Salvation Army kepis...
http://www.heilsarmeemuseum-basel.ch/E/uniform_major.php  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.237.140 (talk) 16:11, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need pics of Nation of Islam kepis, historical British railwaymen kepis and Salvation Army kepis. Less misleading pics overlinking the kepi to the French. 

message: Austrian kepi
http://torontofilmsociety.org/film-notes/blind-husbands-1919/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:490:A600:9C80:1CD4:6149:99F5 (talk) 03:56, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1919 (proto-bergfilm) film: Blind Husbands - earliest cinematic kepi? 

message: Should be byworded. 
Seems an common origin betwixt the kepi hat and fez hat. 2A00:23C7:9C97:5D01:90F8:CCED:EBC4:5298 (talk) 22:29, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. The fez evolved in the Ottoman Empire during the early 19th century as a substitute for the turban historically worn by the general population. The kepi appeared in the French Army somewhat later as a practical version of the heavy shako. Buistr (talk) 21:50, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kepis brimmed Turkish fez hats