Talk:Kataeb Party

message: I removed the current image. It says 'Yes to kataeb' in arabic and I found it highly irrelevant to the article and destroys its NPOVness.--equitor 06:27, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: I thought the former president's faction was the anti-Syrian faction but this makes it sound like it's the other way around. The Secretary of Funk 02:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think someone was either having fun or trying to promote a fringe point of view.  I have fixed this.  Jkelly 22:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-Syrian and Anti-Syrian factions 

message: In the discussion at the page top, it is stated that phalangists & IDF tried to blame each other for the S&S massacre, it is worldwide known that both sides had something to do with it, the issue being is what was the role of each party, not whether they were guilty or not. as for (innocent until proven guilty), well, when you have the motive, the bodies, the weapon, & the bragging of the phalangists leaders about it, you don't really need their confession to convince yourself of their guilt. I think their role in the massacre should be clearly noted on their page since this was their most prominant legacy.
The Phalange party still has the blood of thousands of Palestinians on their hands, this information should be added to the page.
* Now I was a big hater of the Phalange party I thought they were nothing but a bunch of pro-colonialist wannabe french fascist clowns.Now its true alot of them like to brag about sabra and chatilla and that really reflects what kind of people let alone "Christians" they are most however are fed up of their cause been linked to it when the palestinians get off scott free in the text books for a war they started. Some may live in a backward mentality and like taking crumbs from the west. You could say Its their attitude that helped destroyed lebanon.BUT The phalangist only started killing palestinians AFTER the PLO started killing Lebanese,
yes Phalange has many innocent people's blood on thier hand but Arafat and the PLO have EVEN MORE lebanese blood on their hand.
Now that being said I dont justify or commend what the Phalangist done that was wrong however the palestinians during the civil war arent innocent of war crimes either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miss-simworld (talk • contribs) 16:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sabra massacre

message: What is their ideology?
Do they have one or do they just act on ethnic criteria?
--Error 01:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideology

message: Pierre Gemayel was born on 6 November 1905, in the village of Bikfaya, Lebanon, where his family had played a prominent role since 1540. His father and uncle were forced to flee to Egypt after being sentenced to death in 1914 for opposing Ottoman rule, returning to Lebanon only at the end of World War I.
Gemayel, a Maronite Catholic, was educated at Jesuit schools. He went on to study pharmacology at the French Faculty of Medicine in Beirut, where he later opened a pharmacy. He also took an interest in sport, and attended the 1936 Olympic games in Berlin, where he observed the organization of Germany's Nazi Party. He admired the formidable and efficient organization and, on his return to Lebanon later that year, he founded the Kataeb El Loubnani Party in the west called the Phalange after Franco's fascists in Spain and organized it with a similar structure.
Charles Helou, who later served as Lebanon's President from 1964 to 1970, worked with Pierre Gemayel in the early organization of the party. By the time of his presidency, however, Helou was no longer a party member, and Gemayel unsuccessfully opposed him in the presidential election of 1964
Falange
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This article is about the Spanish political party. For the Lebanese Phalange, see the Kataeb Party. 
The Falange (or Phalange) is the name assigned to several political movements and parties dating from the 1930s, most particularly the original movement in Spain. The word Falange means phalanx formation in Spanish. This bellic symbol was chosen due to the militaristic nature of the party.
In Spain, the Falange was a political organization founded by José Antonio Primo de Rivera in 1933, during the Second Spanish Republic. Primo de Rivera was a Madrid lawyer, son of General Miguel Primo de Rivera, who governed Spain as a mild dictatorial Prime Minister, with the acquiescence of King Alfonso XIII, in the 1920s (from September 1923 to January 1930). General Primo de Rivera believed in state planning and government intervention in the economy. His son and the Phalangists he led expressed regret for the demise of the elder Primo de Rivera's regime, and proposed to revive his policies and strengthen the Spanish nation through a program of national-syndicalist social organization, who would include and provide equality to every social status, poor and rich.
During the Spanish Civil War the doctrine of the Falange was used by General Franco, who virtually took possession of its ideology, while José Antonio Primo de Rivera was sentenced to death by the Spanish Republican Government. During the war, and after its founder's death, the Falange was combined by decree (Unification Decree) with the Carlist party, under the sole command of Generalísimo Franco, forming the core of the sole official political organization in Spain, the Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las Juntas de Ofensiva Nacional-Sindicalista, or "Spanish Traditionalist Phalanx of the Assemblies of National-Syndicalist Offensive" (FET y de las JONS). This organization, also known as the National Movement (Movimiento Nacional) after 1945, continued until Franco's death in 1975. Since 1975, Phallangists have diversified into several different political movements which have continued into the 21st Century.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.41.59.19 (talk) 01:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PHALANGE/FASCIST!!! 

message: This party is the Lebanese version of the Spanish Phalangist party. So of course this party is facist, and should be tagged as such, especially if the SSNP article is so. FunkMonk (talk) 00:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I admit I was wrong. I will revert my own edits. As for the 3RR, I suggest you be "not nice" and report me. I think the outcome will disappoint you. --Lanternix (talk) 02:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "fascist origins" such as uniforms and salutes do not make a fascist party. Until the "fascist" aspect of the Phalanx / Kataeb economic and social policies can be explained, the fascist tag is misleading. This is a party representing an ethnic/religious group (the maronites) who have been subjected to repeated Islamic genocide, bombed by Israelis, caught between Arab wars and Ottoman occupation. Of course the party has a history of being militant, but fascism is a specific set of policies which the Kataeb lack.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.246.211.177 (talk) 10:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Fascists

message: Several key historical information is missing here and should be added if possible:
* original stance of the party towards democracy
* relationship to francoism
* nature of the ideology shift from falangism to democratic conservatism:
:* why did it occur?
:* when did it occur?
:*how did it occur? Teh hackz0r (talk) 11:25, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing information 

message: Most of this entry comes directly from Kataeb's website, which cannot be considered a neutral source.  It needs to be revised using academic sources.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.106.58.197 (talk) 02:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really quite striking 24.177.221.197 (talk) 21:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

text: Substantial parts of this article read like a PR piece by a flak hired by the party. Franklin Dmitryev (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Neutrality 

message: What should the article title be according to WP:CommonName?  Is the party commonly called the Kataeb or the Phalange?  I know it by Phalange.  Remember it is Bill Clinton and not William.  It is the Big Dig and not the Central Tunnel and Artery Project.  What should it be here?
Regardless the first words, or among the first words, should be the article title.  It is telling that "Kataeb Party" does not appear at all in the introduction.  Maybe that is all the demonstration we need that the article title should be "Phalange" or "Lebanese Phalange Party". --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 03:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should the article title be? 

message: Christian-democratic and secular?? Isn´t that a contradiction in terms?? --Oddeivind (talk) 18:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christian-democratic and secular?? 

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