Talk:Cabinet of the Philippines

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thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: I notice that the readers might confused in this article and the  Executive departments of the Philippines. the two articles have the same information. to avoid confusion, I request that the article, must merge. to give an accurate information. just like the Cabinet of the United States...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 18:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The articles are not considered the same because the Cabinet article is about the people who lead the departments, while the Executive departments article is about the Departments themselves, not the people. If "Cabinet of the Philippines" is similar to "Cabinet of the United States", then "Executive departments of the Philippines" is similar to "United States federal executive departments" Mk32 (talk) 07:29, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabinet vs. Executive Department 

message: Hi. Can anyone provide a link to the list of all cabinet-level positions? It seems many government agency heads are becoming cabinet members. It is important to distinguish between admin cabinet members and simply admin personnel. I mean, even the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority and Mindanao Development Authority chairs are cabinet members? Thanks--RioHondo (talk) 15:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it really depends on the incumbent president as we can notice on the list of all cabinet members from past administrations here. For example Office of the Chief Presidential Legal Counsel only shows under Noynoy Aquino's term. --Nickrds09 (Talk to me) 09:16, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cabinet-level officials 

message: According to different websites (1), (2), (3) Lambino is a Secretary with Cabinet-level rank. But I am having a hard time determining if it is because of his position as CEZA Administrator or PA for Northern Luzon. -Howhontanozaz (talk) 05:59, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  CEZA Administrator and Chief Executive Officer or Presidential Advisor for Northern Luzon Raul Lambino 

message: Please see the discussion at Talk:Prime Minister of the Philippines#Prime Minister office assertions prior to 1978 appear problematic and comment there as appropriate. Thank you. Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 15:32, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime Minister discussion 

message: Hi! What is the basis for including the following agencies in the list of Cabinet-level offices?
*PSC - The Philippine Sports Commission is headed by a Chairperson who, according to RA6847, is ranked only as an Undersecretary. Also, I do not recall seeing Butch Ramirez in any of the videos of Cabinet meetings posted by RTVM.
*NCCA - The law creating the NCCA never mentioned including its chair in the Cabinet or having the rank of Secretary. Current chair is the President of the CCP which is also not a Cabinet position. Never saw Lizaso attend a Cabinet meeting and in fact, in a Feb. 2020 speech by President Duterte, he differentiated Lizaso from his cabinet, saying "The Executive Secretary Salvador Medialdea and other members of the Cabinet; Officials and members of the National Commission for Culture and Arts led by Chairman Arsenio “Nick” Lizaso; Others --- or the winners of the 12th ang Dangal awards; Distinguished guests; Ladies and gentlemen." (source) 
*KWF - How can this obscure government agency be a member of the Cabinet? The law creating it does not give it a Cabinet-level position. Casanova's appointment also did not state that he would be ranked as a Secretary.
*NDRRMC - According to RA 10121, the Administrator of the Office of Civil Defense should serve as NDRRMC Executive-Director. The law also states that the position is in the rank only of Undersecretary. On Jan. 2020, Exec. Director Jalad even proposed that his office be elevated into a Cabinet-level position. Jalad said, "I am in favor of elevating the current structure to department-level or secretary-level." (source}
*NWRB - Same as above, nothing in the laws creating the office say that it is a Cabinet-level position. A Google search produces no mention of David that relates to him being a member of cabinet.
*NFA - A fairly famous (or infamous) government office, no law mentions it being in the Cabinet. Only mention of NFA attending a Cabinet meeting was on March 2018 and also when Leoncio Evasco was still Cabinet Secretary and concurrent NFA Chairman.
Howhontanozaz (talk) 10:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did try to find a reference on which Cabinet-level offices are part of the Duterte administration (which has already conducted 48 Cabinet meetings) but so far, I only found photo galleries of those meetings like these: 48th, 46th, 45th etc. — Emperork 🐋🐰 19:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, are appointments that have been designated as having "rank of Secretary" considered a part of the Cabinet? For example, Ramon Jacinto's and Leoncio Evasco's recent appointments as Presidential Advisor on Telecoms and Presidential Advisor on Streamlining of Government, respectively, all state that they have the rank of Secretary. Should their offices be included in the list of officials with Cabinet-level rank? I remember Adviser on OFWs Secretary Abdullah Mama-o and Advisor on the Visayas Secretary Michael Dino were once in the list but their names have already been removed in the current page. In this photo of the 48th Cabinet meeting, I believe the one sitting opposite to Science and Technology Sec. dela Pena and next to OPAPP Sec. Galvez is Michael Dino. Howhontanozaz (talk) 06:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on the inclusion of some agencies 

message: Shouldn't we be ditching pipelinks (except for disambiguation) and "Honorable"? If you guys think the article title should be at the birthname or "more formal" name, you can probably move it or file an WP:RM, but this "Hon. My Name Looks Formal Surname" just reeks of bullshit royalty. See for example, 18th Congress of the Philippines where pipelinks and "Honorable" are almost nonexistent. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree we don't need "Hon." before every single name on the list, for concision and removing redundancy if nothing else. CMD (talk) 02:57, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Same with the Cabinet of the United States and Cabinet of the United Kingdom. — Emperork 🐋🐰 14:44, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I love that the previous UK cabinets are listed. Can't we do that? Howard the Duck (talk) 15:34, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

text: We need a definition on who is included. We know department secretaries are included (are we even sure on this?). Who else? Howard the Duck (talk) 14:21, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it's a little confusing but I'm getting it somehow. According to the Official Gazette the president has an option to or not to classify an agency as a department, so does that mean the president can exclude their Executive Secretary from the Cabinet if they want to? —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:24, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The Philippine Consulate in Honolulu has a list here (Yep, you read that right, the Philippine Consulate in Honolulu). —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:27, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That's outdated. It still has Bong Go. I'm willing to bet that Go's old office no longer has Cabinet rank by now. I suppose there are Executive Orders to this effect. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:32, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's this but this is a 2021 government directory by the Department of Budget and Management. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And this one is a list of officials under the Office of the President Proper (what does that even supposed to mean?) as of February 8, 2021. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Positions under the Office of the President is another thing altogether. Those are not cabinet positions. These are agencies like the MTRCB, CHED, and SEC that were previously on other departments but were moved to be directly under the president's office because of reasons. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

text: Weird that it's so hard to find an official list. NEDA secretary seems to have been a cabinet post all the way back to 2016. I think the office of the President Proper are the positions directly under the President, as opposed to executive departments. CMD (talk) 14:44, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sneaky pipelinks, and "Honorable". 

message: Shouldn't these be removed? Not all agencies really have an official Filipino/Tagalog name such as the Philippine Space Agency. I have removed agencies with no publicly known official native names, but time and time again has been reverted back. Probably due to consistency purposes. I proposes removing these altogether, and note any local official names in the respective articles if applicable. Same goes for the supposed acronyms derived from Filipino; NEDA isn't really called "PPKP" in any official communications or by Tagalog-language media outfits.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 14:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Nuke them all. These translations are borderline WP:OR. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: They crept back in and I removed them all again. Commenting for record purposes.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 09:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tagalog names 

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thread_title:  Department of government is secretary 

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