Talk:Thracian religion

message: I cleaned up the article as much as possible. However, the article still needs a lot of work. First and foremost, the content has zero citations even though the article contains references. Elysonius 17:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cant find anything on these "gods".Megistias (talk) 12:14, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Critique

message: This looks like a hoax. This is what I found on Illyrian gods from a reliable source, John Wilkes, “The Illyrians”  (Blackwell, 1995 ed.) pp.245-247:
“Illyrian deities are named on monuments of the Roman era, some in equation with the gods of the classical pantheon. There seems to have been no single dominant Illyrian deity and some were evidently worshipped only in particular regions. Thus several deities occur only in Istria, including Eia, Malesocus, Boria and Iria. Anzotica was the Liburnian Venus and appears in the traditional image of the classical goddess. Other local deities were Latra, Sentona and the nymph Ica, worshipped in eastern Istria at a spring still known by that name today. Among the Japodes altars were dedicated by the tribal leaders at the Privilica spring near Bihac to the local deity Bindus, identified with Neptune, the classical god of springs and seas. North of the Japodes, the altars to Vidasus and Thana dedicated at the hot springs of Topusko reveal the local identities of Silvanus and Diana, a familiar combination on many dedications in the territory of the Delmatae. Sometimes the name of a local deity is recorded only in the Latin form, for example Armatus at Delminum (Duvno) who was evidently a war god of the Delmatae, and the Latin Liber who appears with the attributes of Silvanus and Terminus, the protector of boundaries. The identity of Tadenus, an identity or epithet of Apollo at the Roman spa near the source of the Bosna, at Ilidza, the ancient Aquae S., is not known, and the name may be of Thracian origin. From the same quarter of the Balkans the cult of the Thracian horseman spread into the Illyrian lands during the Roman period, appearing in the familiar image of the galloping rider with the short cloak streaming out behind. The Illyrian town Rhizon (Risinum) on the Gulf of Kotor had its protective deity Medaurus, named on dedications to Aesculapius at the legendary fortress Lambaesis in Africa by the legate, a Roman senator and native of Risinum in the reign of Marcus Aurelius. The god, who is also commemorated at Risinum, is described in the verses of the text as riding on horseback and carrying a lance”. --Folantin (talk) 20:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, this is very helpful. Would you be inclined to turn that into a new stub? Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know. I don't think we can have an article on "Illyrian mythology" when all we know is the names of a few local gods without any myths attached to them. "Illyrian religion" might be more viable since Wilkes has a bit more about snake-worship and sun-worship and some other things. But really, not much is known about this subject. BTW I've just read the original version of this article and it comes over as a complete fraud. --Folantin (talk) 20:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: NB: What we don't want is for the previous version of the article to be restored since it's almost certainly a hoax. Wilkes, writing in the 1990s, would have been aware of Casson (the alleged source), who wrote in the 1920s. So we can assume either: (a) the information is not in Casson; or (b) it is but has since been discredited, in which case it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Personally, I have a hard time believing it's not just been made up, either by the original editor or some pseudo-scholarly source. --Folantin (talk) 22:39, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Better late than never. Deucalionite (talk) 14:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reliable sources

message: Latra is actually Latta in the source can someone change it?Megistias (talk) 19:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the copy of Wilkes I looked inside online at Amazon.co.uk, it's "Latra". Google books confirms this - although you can't look at the page in question (p.245) "Latra" does come up in the search. There's also a reference to a paper on "Latra: Dea Neditarum" in the bibliography. --Folantin (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: it is? Could it be both names are correct? Wilkes, J. J. The Illyrians, 1992,,page 245,"... Other local deities were Latta, Sentona and the nymph Ica, praying in relief sculpture), Knez 1974 (ritual vessel), Baçe 1984 (temple architecture in Illyrian Albania). 26 ..."Megistias (talk) 20:03, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Mmmm they both are probably ,"from Index:
"... 266 Latobici, 81, 256; civitas, 217-18 Latta, Liburnian deity, 245 lead-working, 224 Lederata, 83 339 legions, Roman in Illyrian provinces, 211; recruitment, 255, 260 lekythoi, 106 lembus: ...""Megistias (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Which edition is that from? As I say, I've checked the Google books search facility on the 1992 edition and I've looked inside the 1995 edition at Amazon again. They both come up with "Latra" and I can't see that there are any other English editions of Wilkes' book (though I know there's an Italian translation of it). The existence of that paper on "Latra: Dea Neditarum" would appear to confirm the name is "Latra". --Folantin (talk) 20:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The same as yours.It has latta 3 times and latra once.Megistias (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: I have it on paper too.I ll get a screenshot from the amazon one.Megistias (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Here....Megistias (talk) 20:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a screenshot from inside the actual book? Maybe Amazon Reader has "misread" it. Google confirms that the Italian essay by J.Medini referenced in Wikles is indeed "Latra: Dea Neditarum" . --Folantin (talk) 20:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Lets stick to the Latra you have confirmed and i ll see more into it tomorrow.It might be an error indeed.Put "latta sentona" in amazon and see what you get.Megistias (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is indeed Amazon's "reader". When I enter "Latta" I get the results you get but when I check the actual pages it is indeed "Latra". --Folantin (talk) 20:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Grand.Megistias (talk) 20:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latra is Latta 

message: Bassareus is the Lydian epithete of Dionysus, its not the Thracian version.At the same page Sabazius(as Thracian corn God) is given the name for Dionysus for the Thracians(page 152) and in page 95 Bassareus,Bassarides are mentioned as followers of Dionysus.At page 520 Zalmoxis is also given as a name for Dionysus.
*Dictionary of Ancient Deities by Patricia Turner and the late Charles Russell Coulter, 2001.
*Harry Thurston Peck, Harpers Dictionary of Classical Antiquities (1898)  	
entry bassara: ... reaching to the feet. The Lydian Dionysus is hence styled Bassareus, but there is no genuine Hellenic conception of a...
*A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities (1890)  	
entry bassara-cn: ... whole costume got its name from the fox-skin fastening. Bassareus was a name given to the Lydian Dionysus, but ... Etym. Magn. s. v.) worn by the Lydian Bassareus and made of fox-skin, as that of the 
Megistias (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bassareus  

message: How is it possible that you do not use slavonic/ serbian/ sorbian words in Istra? Only latin? No sense!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.155.139.87 (talk) 13:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: No Slavonic Words?

message: Phillip II did not seek "ritual union" with "princess"(es)- he ritually defiled, by rape, priestesses of virgin goddesses on multiple occasions. These would war crimes today. 
The circle around the throne is a symbolic vagina, and the cutting of it with a knife (penis) by military leaders is symbolic rape. Phillip II was making the subtext the text. 2600:1702:1B41:5350:75B0:7B4A:B38A:FD47 (talk) 14:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euphemisms for Rape