Talk:West Ukrainian People's Republic

message: Transcarpathia was never part of The West Ukrainian National Republic. It was claimed by it, but never administred by it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.227.140.93 (talk) 16:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transcarpathia 

message: The Ukrainian nationalism that developed before the first world war in Austria, while in conflict with the Poles, was generally neither xenophobic nor antisemitic
This based on interview  Bandera - romantyczny terrorysta "Bandera - Romantic Terrorist, interview with Jaroslaw Hrycak. Gazeta Wyborcza, May 10, 2008.
No such sentence in the review-as a Polish speaker I can't find one. In fact there is quite opposite sentence-that they weren't "very" xenophobic, but that they were anti-Polish. The Ukrainian interviewed defends it as "understandable" but since it is a personal interview I don't think we can take this as fact in a wiki(at least without attribution). Anyway-there is nothing in the source claiming they weren't xenophobic. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ukrainian translation of the article said "wasn't too..." or "not very." "Перед Першою світовою війною український націоналізм під австрійським пануванням не був ані надто ксенофобським, ані агресивним. Він був антипольським, що було зрозумілим, проте не антисемітським." "Before the first world war Ukrainian nationalism under Austrian rule was neither very xenophobic nor aggressive. It was anti-Polish, which was understandable, but not antisemtic." The statement "generally neither xenophobic nor antisemtic" accurately described "not very xenophobic" and "not antisemitic." I do not want to plagiarize the newspaper article by copying it word-for-word. BTW, the person interviewed is not just "a Ukrainian interviewed" but a history professor at the European University in Budapest, and the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv whose book earned the book f the year prize in Ukraine in 2006.  Funny how you object when editors' nationality is mentioned but are so quick to seemingly just label a guy "the Ukrainian interviewed."Faustian (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

text: BTW, for someone caught blatently misrepresenting a source:  you would seem to be the last person to nitpick the phrase above. It doesn't seem you have learned much from all of your blocks and bans.Faustian (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the sentence to fit what actually is said and attributed the claims. "Not very xenopohic" is not "in general not xenophobic".That was clearly not what the person said in the personal interview.
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 18:13, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source doesn't support claim attributed 

message: "Narodna" translates as People's, not "National." "Natsionalna" would have been "National."Faustian (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  The correct translation is "People's" not "National".  --Taivo (talk) 02:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Change

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message: It gives a wealth of information about treatment of Polish population in the republic, something that is missing here.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  It would be helpful to translate Polish version of the article 

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message: These additions:  involve info taken from Polish wiki, based on sources that are not in English and are unavailable online nor easily obtainable outside Poland.  Could someone verify them? Authors seem to be legitimate, but it would be good to make sure the statements reflect the source.  Will wait before removing.  Source is Wojna polsko-ukraińska 1918-1919: działania bojowe, aspekty polityczne, kalendarium Grzegorz Łukomski, Czesław Partacz, Bogusław Polak Wydawnictwo Wyższej Szkoły Inżynierskiej w Koszalinie ; Warszawa, 1994 page 95.Faustian (talk) 23:28, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Any verification of this stuff in English?  If none, after a period of time it ought to be removed.  If verified, info about internment belongs here but statements about soldier crimes belong in the article about the Polish-Ukrainian war or Ukrainian Galician Army, as the activities of soldiers, unless described as such, are not government policy.Faustian (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

text: Ludwik Mroczka is a reliable source, as a professor of history that headed the history department at Pedagogical University of Kraków(which is the "teacher collage"), he is cited by Snyder, Prusin, Piotrowski and Christophe Mick(that you use btw) in their works.The book is available online(although I am surprised you asked about this, most books are as always-available at library).As you are perfectly aware non-English sources are allowed. If you have doubts about some information-ask for translation, and I will gladly provide one.
Also Mroczka doesn't dispute that Ukrainian national movement was very strong and well organized-he confirms this. However he states that there was little motivation among Ukrainian soldiers and local population, especially in Lviv.He uses Ukrainian nationalist writings among other sources to describe this.Other sources like Lukomski and Partacz also mention that the morale of Ukrainian troops wasn't very high-they had very disciplined officers but the average soldier wasn't interested in the conflict.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 21:48, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

text: Thank you for verifying reliability of this source.  Info should stay on wikipedia.  However, actions of soldiers should be moved to section in Polish-Ukrainian war and/or Ukrainian Galician Army unless they are described as government policy.  Internment, censorship belong in this article, as those are obviously government policies.Faustian (talk) 00:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

text: Any verification for Czesław Partacz – Wojna polsko-ukraińska o Lwów i Galicję Wschodnią 1918-1919  Przemyskie Zapiski Historyczne – Studia i materiały poświęcone historii Polski Południowo-Wschodniej. 2006-09 R. XVI-XVII ?  His Polish wiki states he is a member of the  Defense Committee of the Good Name of Poland and Poles.  Is he a nationalist historian, like the pro-UPA historian in Ukraine Volodymyr Viatrovych?Faustian (talk) 00:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Information from non English language sources that is unavailable online

message: I moved information specifically about soldiers'actions to the article about the Polish-Ukrainian War.  Information involving direct government policy was retained here.  However, it would be necessary to verify some sources (see above); I will not remove for several days or weeks pending verification.Faustian (talk) 03:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Information about soldier atrocities

message: Source: Christoph Mick. (2015). Lemberg, Lwow, Lviv, 1914–1947: Violence and Ethnicity in a Contested City. West Lafayette, Indiana: Purdue University Press, pg. 180.
This edit: .  Statement originally read "According to Christopher Mick the Ukrainian government in general treated the Polish population under its control no worse than the Polish government treated the Ukrainians under its control".  This was added added was "at the same time writing that Ukrainian authorities didn't treat Polish population "gently" and speaking in Polish was unwelcomed Christoph Mick. (2015). Lemberg, Lwow, Lviv, 1914–1947: Violence and Ethnicity in a Contested City. West Lafayette, Indiana: Purdue University Press, pg. 180 ."  Mick wrote"Mirorring Polish reaction to the use of Ukrainian in Lviv, speaking Polish in Ukrainian-held territories was unwelcome and considered suspicious."  The edit, which purposefully left out the part about mirroring Polish actions, was misleading by suggesting a contradiction between the original info and the statement it followed.Faustian (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Misuse of Christoph Mick

message: Most reliable sources in the field use the abbreviation ZUNR over WUNR or WUPR for the last 46 years, a clear majority for the last 33. The commonly-used abbreviation should appear in the lead, and not be relegated to a footnote. The simplest solution is to put the foreign names in the lead.  —Michael Z. 15:51, 2 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviation