Talk:Shangri-La

message: Shangrila is in the lyrics to "Cry Little Sister" from the soundtrack to 80's vampire movie "The Lost Boys"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.47.137.179 (talk) 05:40, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Reference

message: Why create a disambig. message and then leave the other uses of the word here?  Quill 03:16, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops.  I didn't actually notice the list of other definitions.  Moved now. -- Chuq 03:32, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, cool now.  This illustrates a problem I have with such things being placed at the END of articles; they're easy to miss.  Examples I've run into: Brigadoon (I placed a message at the TOP of the article) and Wedding.  I'm sure there must be many more.  Perhaps, since you're an Administrator, you can mention this where and whenever Administrators get together to talk about Administrator stuff?  ;)  Quill 12:19, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: 2004 comments

message: Anonymous vandal 198.93.113.49 keeps suppressing the following text:
:There are a number of European legends similar to the legend of Shangri-La. The Odyssey tells of the land of the Lotus-Eaters, and the palace of Alcinous. See also Atlantis, Lyonesse, Brigadoon, and El Dorado.
Is this assertion less than apropos? Is this assertion doubted by anyone? Is this a novel idea? Is this a random joke? --Wetman 20:34, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: MY guess is that he doesn't feel its accurate, or some such. What say you, anon? Sam Spade  20:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Shangri-Las

message: WELL THEN  . . . 
Musion Eyeliner - Mulliner and Mulsanne mispelt/rearranged (s(Z)ion Eye for Muliner, U(r)(l)ine for Mulsane) - Z (China should be wary) and R (can't really say 
but doubtless anything mispelt could be linked to this). Jackson's image and thus SOUL will be used to power vehicles by Bentley BUT possibly intent to 'ghetto-ise - any and all users of the vehicle).
I doubt the family of the Jacksons want Michael's 'great stardom' to be frittered away in vehicles for Zionists? Then again Michael Jackson did cause many deaths by proxy during his time while alive, the drug taking alone would be enough to take out Acheh or Yunnan . . . and would the Judaists be saving the world this time? Possibly if Musion Eyeliner closes down after 'energic parity' is reached AND if Jackson was a subvert Islamist, meaning Bentley would be Islamising by proxy AGAIN - Dubai link? As for Sinatra, check with the family if Sinatra would want a quiet retirement after death or keep being 'used' to entertain. What Sinatra was like in life, may not be the same in death.
Z? Dukezong Ancient Town of Shangri-la . . . for a single Duke with the surname of Zong would have countered this. Fire destroys ancient Town of Shangri-la (Xinhua) 13:23, January 11, 2014. MJ you there? Yep, the warning about the Bently certainly get the poor guy 's spirit rynning to paradise. Problem is the spiritual antipodes were chock full of rubbish that China did not see fit to quell. In either case, this allows China to seriously onsider formation of a Duchy at the very same site. All of MJ's power is there for certain. Imperium awaits. Shangrila's preeminent mandarin MUST consult with MJ's family, then the Council of African Monarchs then a prominent Zong Clan family leader who lived around the area. My work here at least is done. If China fails to follow up, other structures will fall. Economic growth if not qualified by cultural and spiritual growth later on, leaves a society little more than a bacteria that no fires may cleanse. MJ certainly had taste, and let China REBUILD an even better Shangrila as envisioned as well as incorporating rebuilt original aspects that were most well known about Shangrila. The town was so dense anyway, so no harm. How about somethuing mystical this time eh? Think Olivia Newton-John's Xanadu or James Hilton's Shangrila . . . but WITHOUT the Angle influence or lamasery of course heh - lets have a Taoist variant par excellence Mortal Kombat haha  . . .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:E68:4000:15:E4A9:26C5:9E2F:9DE2 (talk) 14:45, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas for Rebuilding Shangrila

message: This work of fiction may draw from local legends, but in Hinton's vision, no native Tibetans are found fit to be part of the long-lived community.  One Chinese makes the grade, but mostly it is stray Europeans.  A thoroughly racist view that was old-fashioned even for its day.
--GwydionM 20:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hinton's Shangri-La is a European outpost 

message: Shangri-la was written by The Electric Light Orchestra. It's on their "A New World Record" album.
Does anyone know how to upload a different pic of Zhongdian? The one featured in the article doesn't seem to accord much with the description of Shangri-La. I don't want to deface the article, I was just wondering if anyone wanted to add another pic of Zhongdian with a wider view of the valley there, to show its relevance to the article and similarity to Shangri-La.
Does this concern anyone else?
-- ManofRenown87, 8-2-2006
:I agree, the top corner of a building doesnt seem to represent the area very well. Also, the picture of the Hunza valley seems to be very edited, and therefor not very accurate. Maybe it can be replaced with a picture from the valley's article. --Thebunsk 04:18, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zhongdian Pic 

message: In the book, Conway is a diplomat, a Consul at the British Consulate in Baskul, in a foreign country. That rules out British India. Sanders, who was at Baskul, says that the plane was hijacked by "an Afghan or Afridi". That implies that the country was Afghanistan. The plane's destination was Peshawar, which is near the border of Afghanistan, in present-day Pakistan. But the plane doesn't land in Peshawar, instead refueling at an airstrip where it is surrounded by bearded and turbaned tribesmen. That seems to imply that the airstrip is not too far from Peshawar in the northern parts of the FATA or NWFP, possibly in Shangla. Then the plane takes off again and comes down in or around the Kuen-Lun Mountains, now known as the Kun-Lun Shan. For much of the length of the Kun-Lun, especially the more eastern parts, the climate is harsh. Another clue is that Shangri-La has very high mountains nearby. The high mountains of the Kun-Lun tend to be in its western section. The highest mountain of the Kun-Lun is Kongur Tagh, near the western end of the range. Kongur Tagh is near Kara-Kul, a name similar to the Karakal mentioned in the book. On this Google map centered on Kara-Kul, you can see the western end of the Kun-Lun range on the right. As you can see from the map, this is close to the tri-border area where Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and China meet. There are green meadows on the Kyrgyzstan side of the border. That's where I think the author most likely places it. This is at a distance of about 200 miles from the NWFP, whereas Tibet is several hundred miles more. This was 1933. Could the plane would go even that far, let alone distant Bhutan, or even more distant Southeastern China? The Kyrgyzstan/China border area is much closer and makes more sense as the location of Shangri-La. Windemerer 15:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hilton mentions the two priests that traveled to LHASA. Writers often like to make up a name from a real name, eg when the two parts of the word Shangri-La are switched over you get LA-SHAngri. So this might be what Hilton did. 06 February 2013  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.219.208 (talk) 22:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location of Shangri-La in the ''Lost Horizon'' book 

message: I'm planning a Nepal trek and noticed that a high pass (5,800 meters) not too far from Everest and just north of the Changri West peak is called, you guessed it, Changri-La. Seems that this would be an interesting addition to the page. If the maintainers agree, then I'd be happy to contribute a short paragraph (one or two sentances would do it) to the page. I have no idea if this is what inspired the Shangri-La name, but is sure seems likely.
--Ronewolf 16:02, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changri-La 

message: I removed the following:
No documentation, including the remaining landscape still shot, reputed to be from an outlook on Highway 150, supports the contention that the Ojai Valley was used as a location in the film.
because there was no documentation to support the contention of no documentation. I replaced it with info from the bonus feature on the "Lost Horizon" dvd. I couldn't find it transcribed anywhere online to post it as a reference, however.
Tuesdae 15:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ojai Valley

message: This tourist website: http://www.virtourist.com/asia/china/shangrila/index.html says that Shangri-la is a real place. The website says, "Zhongdian County was renamed Shangri-La County in 2001 by Chinese authorities after the fictional land of Shangri-La in the novel 'Lost Horizon'. Previously the county was called Zhongdian, among Chinese, and Gyalthang, among Tibetans. The capital of the county is also known as Shangri-La, before 2001 it was named Jiantang Town." I am going to be there in less than a month. Hard to go to a place that does not exist. 209.106.198.2 16:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is a real place 

message: I fear that the Popular culture references section got a little bit out of control. The lists are too long and there are far too many references here which seem to be only of minor importance! --Meile 17:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture references 

message: Under the section titled Locations linked to Shangri-La, someone has made the following bracketed insertion: "Several locations in the Buddhist Himalaya between northern India and Tibet[ where lies a country, independent, and superior in its own called Nepal and several articles fail to mention that] have claimed to be the basis for Hilton's legend, largely to attract tourism."
This isn't the place to complain about contributors ignoring Nepal in other articles.  Could someone fix that sentence?  I'm not sure if it should read something like, "... between northern India, Nepal and Tibet... " because there are several other countries which claim to contain 'Shangri-La', and surely they shouldn't all be listed in the opening sentence.  Or perhaps they should, I don't know.
Velut Luna (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the commentary. For the rest, be bold and change it as you see fit. Kevin (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Locations linked to Shangri-La - Nepal 

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message: I have the distinct impression that the first ever mention of Shangri-La is in an Aldous Huxley poem that he started composing on a visionary trip with opium. It would be more important to get the origin of the imaginary place right before going on discussing mythical placement. The title of the poem should be "Shangri-La" but I could not find a reference in the author/writer page. Perhaps someone can check this out? Deep Atlantic Blue (talk) 22:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Aldous Huxley? 

message: Hi, it's popularly thought that use of Shangri-La is traceable back to James Hilton's Lost Horizon. Yet I've just come across the word in the 1911 edition of Roget's Thesaurus: here. Is that right or has someone augmented the 1911 edition as presented on-line? The word is also in the text files of the same edition available at Project Gutenberg. Esowteric+Talk 08:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, looks like the files were supplemented: "Roget's Thesaurus, 1911, version 1.02 (supplemented: July 1991)". Esowteric+Talk 09:43, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue with first use of ''Shangri-La'' 

message: I just watched a PBS documentary titled Secrets of Shangri-La, but it is is not mentioned anywhere in this article.  This documentary discusses the location of Shangri-La and explores the supposed city.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.204.83.107 (talk) 22:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: The article has minimal sources and clearly claims that this is a fictional/mythical place.
THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THESE PLACES THAT IS FICTIONAL.
Pemako is the most important/secretive beyul in the Buddhist religion. Pemako is a holy place in which the Tsango river runs through, creating the worlds deapest gorge (3-4 times the depth of the grand canyon) where pilgrims are able to achieve spiritual feats that they otherwise might not be able to achieve in this lifetime.
This is a VERY real place both physically and metaphysically (not mythological or fictional). This is one of many similar lands of which Tibetan Buddhists have known about and visited throughout history. 
An extensive article online will not properly educate anyone of the awesome realities and extensive histories behind these sacred places.
I was shocked to read the extent to which this article claimed that these places are not real. Whatever you may call them, be it a lost paradise, beyul, secret land, spiritual retreat, or shangri-la, the are very real and often very dangerous.
for an incredible, 100% factual (and incredibly educational) account of one mans journey both spiritually and physically to this sacred land, please read:
The Heart of the World by Ian Baker
The earth is an incredible place, beyond imagination. Have you never seen a photograph of nature that you never could have imagined and simply awed you? You were shocked and amazed, right? Researching these places, that amazement never ceases. It is worldly, tangible, and for Buddhists it is a place of spiritual catalyst where their innermost being (yangsang) can be achieved.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.234.142 (talk) 13:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The article has minimal sources and clearly claims that this is a fictional/mythical place. 

message: I've found that Shangri-La was also used in the 2009 video game, Call of Duty: Black Ops. Shangri-La is a playable Call of Duty: Black Ops Zombies map bought as a DLC named Annihilation. Please add this at a pleasant fashion. Reference: Call of Duty: Black Ops Annihilation DLC--Healablemarrow4 (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Uses 

message: In , a request for clarification was added. However, as there is no indication (neither in the edit summary, nor in an invisible edit comment, nor on the talk page) what exactly needs clarification, I've removed the tag. Clarification tags placed without discernible reason (it's stayed in place for over two and a half years, so apparently it's not just me who cannot make sense of the tag) are unhelpful.
I would like to point out that the concept of an "unspoiled ancient master race similar to the Nordic race" in the middle of Asia does have a factual background, even if it sounds completely bonkers. The Nuristani people of Afghanistan and other mountain peoples of Inner Asia partly retain the fair hair, eyes and skin of their Eastern European forebears (early Indo-Iranians – the Aryans in the historical sense – and Indo-Europeans – the Aryans in the wider, obsolete sense), but to emphasise, the Nuristani and others are visibly mixed phenotypically, retaining "Nordic" features only in part, which indicates heavy admixture by local populations ever since the Iron Age.
However, the Nazis thought, along with the majority of serious scholars in the 19th century and early 20th century, that the origins of the Indo-Europeans lay in Northern Europe, taking the Corded Ware culture as an archaeological manifestation of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, while the Corded Ware was probably only an early Indo-European offshoot and the older Yamna culture forms a more plausible correlate: a proto-urban proto-civilisation (though still without any traces of writing; not that true writing is known from anywhere in the world before 3200 BC, except perhaps Egypt), technologically relatively advanced for the Early Bronze Age. (The Sintashta and Poltavka cultures are clearly within Eastern Europe and are important for discussions of Indo-Iranian origins, so it is justified to describe the historical Aryans as an originally Eastern European people.) In view of the Seima-Turbino phenomenon and other technological advances associated with the early Indo-Europeans and Indo-Iranians, such as war chariots, and suspected to originate with them, not to mention the various Indo-European-speaking peoples of written history, the "Aryans" (in either sense) no doubt played an impressive role in ancient history, never mind that the "master race" nonsense myopically focuses on their contributions to history, minimises, denies or re-interprets those of other peoples (imagining Jesus as Aryan, etc.), and distorts various findings of science for ideological reasons, when the reality is, of course, that the success and failure of peoples and civilisations is due to historical circumstances, i. e., the exceptional success and sheer ubiquitous influence of the Indo-Europeans was ultimately due to pure luck. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazi expedition to Tibet 

message: The current article's failure to acknowledge any connection to the similar-sounding, similar concept of Shambhala seems an oversight.--21:33, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shambhala 

message: If there are any properly licensed artist's depictions of Shangri-La, it'd be great to include them, whether from the original book, the movie adaption, or in general. Opencooper (talk) 19:55, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

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message: This is a convenience copy that, as a courtesy, please don't delete for the next few days.
Nearly a decade ago, a comment was made (by Meile at 17:00, on 12 November 2007 (UTC)), saying:
::I fear that the Popular culture references section got a little bit out of control. The lists are too long and there are far too many references here which seem to be only of minor importance!
To not lose content that is otherwise only available via HISTORY comparisons, here is a TalkPage pre-edit copy, per a Wiki guideline, of what obviously one or more contributors saw and perhaps still see as valuable. Yunmagz (talk) 20:47, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: COMPRESS - Pre-edit TalkPage copy of Popular culture references

message: My first thought was:
* For those entries that have their own Wiki article, certain detail can be placed there, rather here. 
* For those entries that do not... trim on the grounds that this article is about something, and the tail should not . . .  but then I realized that:
* Some details can be moved to footnotes, so as to reduce the appearance of "In popular culture" taking up considerably more space than the topic of the article itself.
* After trimming, Where possible, consider a 2-column presentation.
The original texts are retained in the above section.   Yunmagz (talk) 02:39, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has been on my watchlist for years, but I haven't trimmed it in forever. I'd suggest some fairly serious culling, including everything that's unreferenced and everything that isn't wikilinked to an article that specifically mentions Shangri-La. RivertorchFIREWATER 03:05, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Trimming technique for In popular culture

message: The article states that academic scholars have debunked the myth of Shangri-La. What is the myth they have debunked? The belief that somewhere, faraway, there is a mystical, harmonious valley, a permanently happy land, isolated from the world? That wouldn’t take much. We do not report elsewhere that scholars have debunked the myth of the Land of Oz. So perhaps something else is meant, but what?  --Lambiam 07:08, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is "the myth of Shangri-La"?