Talk:G-funk

message: OK, I'd like to recant on a certain point.  Earlier, I mentioned how I didn't think "Black Mafia Life" really fit into the G-Funk template.  I'd like to take that statement back.  I've listened to the album in its entirety (before, I'd only listened to a handful of songs I had on MP3), and I'm starting to appreciate that it is, in fact, very much a G-Funk album in the same vein of "The Chronic"...the whiny synthesizers, wah-wah guitars, Parliament-style bass grooves, etc. are all there.  But here's the problem with that...not only do "The Chronic" and "Black Mafia Life" sound a lot alike stylistically, but it's actually pretty obvious that SOMEBODY is copying someone else.  I came to this conclusion after listening to ATL's song "Pimp Clinic".  Notice anything familiar about it?  It sounds a lot like Dre's "Let Me Ride", and the reason for this is because both songs use two of the same samples - "Mothership Connection" and "Swing Down, Sweet Chariot", both by Parliament.  And they both derive the hook from the latter song, except that Jewel sings it on "Let Me Ride", while Kokane sings it on "Pimp Clinic".  Coincidence?  I doubt it, or do I?
The only question is, who came first?  "The Chronic" was released first (3 months ahead), but which album was made first?  I had a fairly long talk recently with a West World Records/ATL entourage member about this on the group's official web site forums.  He linked me to an article from years ago in which Hutch and company claim that they were working on "Black Mafia Life" tracks at Ruthless and that Dre heard some of their work before he left for Death Row, and that he used their style to make "Deep Cover" and later "The Chronic".  In other words, they're acknowledging Dre's style is indeed "G-Funk", and also claiming that he copied them.  But I don't know if they've shown credible proof that this is true.  It makes so little sense to me because "Deep Cover" came out a full YEAR before "Black Mafia Life".  Which implies to me that the album was near completion around that time, if Dre copied it.  But why did ATL wait a whole year to release "Black Mafia Life", then?  I realize delays happen in the music world, but a year to release a completed album?  That wouldn't happen unless (A.) Ruthless was short on money for release/promotion or (B.) Ruthless considered the album unmarketable.  Neither sounds too plausible, and I've never heard ATL say anything about that.
So to settle this debate, "The Chronic" and "Black Mafia Life" are both G-Funk albums, it's clear ATL came up with the term (since it's never used once on "The Chronic"), and it's also clear, as I said before, that somebody copied somebody else.  I'm just not sure who it is yet.  If ATL can really provide support for their claim that Dre copied their style and used it to put out both a G-Funk single and a complete G-Funk album before they released their first G-Funk album, then I'll believe them.  But I do need to see more proof first.  Until then, I consider this an unresolved debate.
Also, one other point - did Eazy-E really ever claim that he invented G-Funk?  I've never heard about that.  If he did, I would think that Hutch and ATL would be as pissed at him as they are at Dre, since he'd be taking credit for their work (supposedly).  But ATL has nothing but praise for Eazy in interviews.
: Not to confuse things more, but I have a 12" single by barrington levy from 1991... with a "g-funk" remix of the song. No production credit is given, but it certainly does fit in the "g-funk" style....Reggaedelgado 03:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt we'll ever discover who copied who but its really difficult to decide whether to believe ATL as we all know they must have been quite angry with Dre for not only stealing their sound but for leaving Ruthless to go to DR. You know what rappers can be like whilst beefing.--XdiabolicalX 14:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yeah, except that it's pretty much a one-sided beef, since ATL released quite a few diss tracks directed at Dre while Dre (as best I know) has yet to mention them even ONCE in interviews or anywhere else...basically pretending they don't exist.  I mean, let's face it...ATL has obviously been trying to play this debate out to draw attention to themselves (even if one believes they are the legitimate inventors of G-Funk) since they've been forgotten while Dre is legendary. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.61.200.145 (talk) 01:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: ATL claim that they invented g-funk, while Dre seems like he don't gives a fuck, as he didn't respond then, and he don't responds now, that the beef is passed. That MAYBE means that Dre knows that they are lying, or that he wants to have the credit for creation of g-funk for all his life. Dre started working on Deep Cover and The Chronic ONLY when he moved to Death Row, but he did Dopeman and Alwayz Into Somethin' with N.W.A, 2 very hard and g-funk tracks before going to Death Row. And ATL said that Dre copied their work to make The Chronic. We all know The Chronic (with the Re-Lit) is 23 tracks, all of them G-funk. If Dre can't make g-funk and copies it from ATL, how he can make 23 funky tracks before even Black Mafia Life was released?--BubbleBabis (talk) 12:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To settle this debate 

message: I have removed the lists because they violate WP:NPOV, which is a policy of this site.  They violate NPOV by presenting opinions (which albums, performers, etc. are notable) as fact. Tuf-Kat 00:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But WP:N means we have to make a judgment as to what is notable and what isn't. For example, it's assumed that the artists mentioned in Hip hop music meet the notability criteria. I think it would be remiss to have an article on G-funk without telling which artists are part of it. Would you object to me creating List of G-funk artists? Λυδαcιτγ 01:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't make that judgement.  We rely on cited sources to do that.  Eight persons and groups are already mentioned in the article.  If anyone additional is notable, they should be included in the article text, along with (referenced) information establishing that notability.  I have no qualms with a List of G-funk artists. Tuf-Kat 02:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists of notable stuff 

message: "There has been some debate over who should be considered the "father of G-funk." Dr. Dre is generally believed to have developed the sound; the first hints of the whiny syn-leads and Parliament Funkadelic-style bass grooves in Dre's work appeared on N.W.A.'s single "Alwayz Into Something" from their 1991 album Efil4zaggin."
Did Dre produce Dopeman from NWA and the Posse because it sounds pretty G-funky too?--72.198.15.206 (talk) 16:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: dopeman?

message: This article claims Dre's 2001 has roots in G-funk. 2001 sounds nothing like G-Funk. And Dre never "promised" Detox would be G-funk either and I highly doubt it will be. None of Dre's productions have sounded like G-funk for a long time68.164.85.197 (talk) 21:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future of G-Funk 

message: If u listen to 'call it what u want', yes 2pac mentions g-funk
ATL released an EP in 1991 called 'Vocally pimpin', an if u listen to it there are a few tracks with p-funk samples and heavy basslines and synth sounds, eg. 'dose of the mega flex', '4 the funk of it'
On ATL's 'black mafia life', there are references to the years of a couple of the tracks years, eg. 'vsop', the mention the year as '92. On the track 'process of elimination' the mention the year as '91. On the interlude track 'pimpology 101' they mention the year as '92. Even though the album was released in february '93, doesn't mean a majority of the songs weren't recorded before that.
Even though in my opinion ATL did come up with prototype for the sound, i think dr. dre and warren g enhanced it better.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.152.38 (talk) 14:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just a few notes on this subject 

message: The earliest use of G-funk doesn't come from N.W.A's "Alwayz into Something" it comes from "The Ghetto" and "Short But Funky" by Too $hort released both an entire year before Efil4Zaggin came out.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.239.84.19 (talk) 02:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Early use

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message: Are there any G-punk performers besides Hed PE, or are they the only ones currently? If you know of any others and have sources for them and want to add them to the new G-punk section, then please do. Moline1 (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  G-punk performers besides Hed PE 

message: Why wasn't one of the major creators of this sound left out? Nate Dogg has one of the best, if not the best, funkiest, smoothest, all encompassing, gangsta, west coast, representative Califas sound. He is really what its all about. 98.232.205.52 (talk) 06:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nate Dogg 

message: I feel like there needs to be a page for Bay Area’s sound that originated in the 80’s but became popular in the 90’s. There also needs to be explanation on the difference between mobb raps and g-funk since there is an overlap (depending on the songs you listen to, unless mobb rappers also had g-funk songs).
Too Short, E-40, B-Legit, Celly Cel, etc.
I understand that g-funk has other predecessors such as gangsta rap and the P-Funk style but it’s worth noting the page exclusively for mobb music! It does not have to be a long page but at least put it out there so that people are aware of its existence. I know this is a page for g-funk but I don’t see a page for its forgotten ancestor. 107.123.1.9 (talk) 18:16, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  MOBB MUSIC (Bay Area’s Predecessor to G-Funk)