Talk:Shelby Young

message: Wow. I just heard her sing on cesdtalent and I think she should have her own album! Seriously. She's so much better than some of those hack singer (e.g. - Paris Hilton). So, hope to see more from her soon, 'cause she definately is just as talented a singer as she is an actor. And she's a great actor.
I'm a HUGE fan, Shelby! Hope you don't mind this page on here xD
Marie 04:47, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SUCH A GOOD VOICE 

message: This article was started by multiple new users (sock puppets?) to up the praises of a very little known actress whose only claim to fame was starring in a 5 minute television pilot.
Check all the edits made by the article starter. This page is being used for nothing more then a search engine spider trap for keywords just as many of you might remember the hoax user Christine Ridder did on wikipedia.
This article was obviously made by either Shelby or her parents. Read the starting pages here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shelby_Young&diff=106094843&oldid=103306584
"Shelby Young began acting at age 5 and hasn't stopped since. Shelby was born in South Florida, but has lived in New York City and currently resides in Los Angeles. Shelby's career has taken her to many great locations, but some of her favorites are The Carribean and Iceland.
    
- Shelby likes the typical teenage stuff such as: shopping at the mall, going to the beach, hanging with her friends, movies, talking on the phone, Intant Messaging and boys. She loves all kinds of animals especially strays that she finds or that find her. Shelby has a cat and a two dogs that live at her Dads. "
User 76.173.39.161 and Lykwhoah very obviously the same persons.
Above the user MARIE is actually Lykwhoah usinbg very creative wikipedia scripting to make it appear that others agree with her. I'm would be my next big mac a checksum would agree.
LexiLynn 17:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Marie, please see your talk page. RadioKirk (u|t|c) 19:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DELETION 

message: The only roles I ever posted on here were roles IMDB listed for Shelby, at the time. If IMDB changed, I apologise, but I'm not posting to "get Shelby these roles", as you've said LexiLynn. Just posting what, at the time, was verifiable. 
Marie 04:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can confirm that those roles were listed on IMDb. Of course, as the film comes out it may turn out she was not credited, or IMDb hasn't locked its credits yet, but nobody is trying to put bogus credits here LexiLynn. --Snakeman 05:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resume 

message: Hi! Just curious as to some source info. This page has her listed as Ellie Aarons in TBTT, but IMDB lists that role as being played by Emma Fenton. Do you have source info listing that Shelby appeared in the film?
Ispy1981 16:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She provided voice work for the film (mainly looping for Emma Fenton), however, I do not know if she ended up in the final credits of the film. A google search will show her listed on several sources as having done voice work, but whether it is appropriate for the article remains to be seen. --Snakeman 11:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't mean to be a conflict of interest stickler, but if a role is disputed, and someone claiming to be the subject adds it to the article, it still needs a source. If someone has that "reputable site" that has her listed, it would be helpful to add that to the article. Thanks. Leebo86 20:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, I'm not doubting User:Shelbyyoung's claim to being the real Shelby Young. I just want to say that there is no source for the role in the article and it needs one. Leebo86 20:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text: A sockpuppet account is an extra account created by an existing user for malicious purposes, such as vote stacking or vandalism. It was an unnecessary accusation, going against our guideline of assuming good faith. Anyway, the picture should clear up any confusion about your identity... Leebot|c 12:06, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: If you're done making baseless accusations and posting without logging in, then I assume we can get on to adding a source for the role? You should read WP:AGF before accusing people of the malicious activities you regularly accuse users of. Leebo T/C 22:40, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: There are two things to consider: Firstly, did she perform the role? Can it be confirmed? Secondly, if she did... is an uncredited vocal role notable enough for inclusion in the article? I'm leaning toward solving this problem by saying that if she didn't make the credits, it's not really notable enough for the article. Leebo T/C 03:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. (Even a trivia note of she performing the vocal role could be accepted, but there's none.) - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 03:47, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, pardon, but, I don't understand why this is still an issue. Has anyone not thought to ASK her agency? I read somewhere where someone verified her ID through an email to the agency. Can't the same be done for the role? I would be amenable to a trivia note, if that's what it boils down to.
Ispy1981 04:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bridge To Terabithia 

message: "I certainly doubt it is the word of a Greek one minute, American the next frequent abuser, who may, if my suspicions are correct, be a jealous stage parent and a noted internet con artist."
is racist comment the normal for you ISpy? 69.132.198.252 22:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 69.132.198.252, do you plan on contributing anything constructive to the encyclopedia? A content dispute can be settled without baseless accusations every post. Leebo T/C 00:00, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can anyone else discern racism in the quote material?  I can't. --Mel Etitis  (Talk) 14:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither can I. Racism is not "any and every comment mentioning a race". It's discrimination based on race, and there hasn't been any comment like that in this whole discussion. Leebo T/C 14:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Clarification: What I meant when I wrote that is that I feel the user is "faking Greek". He seems to speak English well enough to harrass Shelby in one post (see above) then reverts back to "broken English". He has claimed that Babelfish helped him to write the harrassing comment(s), but I seriously doubt Babelfish is THAT good, having used it myself. The point is moot now, anyway, as I believe the  user has moved on to another anon account and is continuing to try and remove the credit. Ispy1981 15:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: By the way, even if they're the same person, there's not even any reason to assume that they're trying to appear under a different IP address. They're both simply coming from Road Runner accounts. It's my understanding that Road Runner assigns dynamic IP addresses, no? Bladestorm 01:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rqacist? 

message: The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Jreferee 18:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Biography/Assessment#Class_parameter|Biography assessment rating]] comment 

message: Just tried to fix the bit about LazyTown (sentence structure and non-capitalization), but it seems still rather odd to me. As it stands, it says she originated the role of Stephanie (LazyTown) in the pilot of LazyTown. Seems redundant. 
Ispy1981 19:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redundancy

message: Since it has been agreed that IMDB is not a very good source, here's an idea. Strip down the filmography (as it's an almost carbon copy of IMDB) and replace it with things we can verify, through sources such as shelbyyoung.com (which is woefully barren with regard to credits, but what are you gonna do?) Then, since everyone (with one exception) has agreed Shelby had something to do with the film, put it in the body of the article as a trivia note, a curiosity, if you will. I agree that every little credit shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. Hell, if we did that, John Carradine's page would go on for days. :)
What I don't agree with, however, is our contentious editor, who is now CineWorld, brinking the system, running to an editor with no previous experience in the matter and spamming three different editors a total of 25 times over the course of 2 hours. In response to his argument about Dark Horizons, 1) there is no "About Us" or anything I can see that would signal to me "fansite". 2) Dark Horizons seems to be, forgive me, a poor man's IMDB. The content is very much the same (movie listings, cast list, synopsis, showtimes, reviews). So, if Dark Horizons is out, IMDB would, by logic, be as well.
Also, it may be surprising to note, he's done this before. Take a look at  User:65.184.20.38, basically used to deface the article of and harrass Hailey Anne Nelson. Now, take a look at this diff, which I'm sure we can all agree comes from the user CineWorld.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shelby_Young&diff=prev&oldid=112994198
Pay attention to the note about "HAN's" agent. HAN= nickname for Hailey Anne Nelson. Using the system Wikipedia uses, 65.184.20.38 comes from San Francisco. However, if one checks the FTP, near the bottom of the page, you'd see res.carolina.rr.com on both of them. You'll also see 65.184.20.38 speaks perfect English. We're being played here by someone with an obvious personal vendetta against these young actresses, someone who, if one googles the 65.184.20.38 IP, has a very interesting and checkered past (if that statement goes against WP:PRIV, let me know) I don't know about you guys but, my patience, for one, is being exhausted. I would like to sit down with some level-headed, experienced editors and resolve this.
Ispy1981 15:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is indeed a spammer with a personal vendetta, vandalising both articles. --Snakeman 13:31, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not anymore. The IP was blocked for six months on April 17.--Ispy1981 15:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure where you got the impression that I was yelling at anyone, let alone Ispy. BTW, I'm not sure if it's a coincidence or not, but I Spy is the name of a children's book series that was a lot of fun when I was growing up. That's what I think when I see Ispy, not spies. Leebo T/C 03:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it does have to do with spying, sort of. I'm not a spy (oh, how I wish I were), but it comes from the Bill Cosby/Robert Culp series, I Spy. Quite frankly, I don't see what my being a spy has to do with this article. 
"I live in south cazrolina."
No, you don't live in "south cazrolina" or South Carolina. Using the tools provided by Wikipedia, I can see your IP comes from Concord, NORTH Carolina. Or, did you forget where you live?
Ispy1981 05:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Modest Proposal

message: I have semiprotected this article until further notice because of an ongoing IP harassment situation. My apologies to any good-faith unregistered or new users who wish to edit the page. Proposed edits may be posted here for consideration. Newyorkbrad 15:15, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semiprotected