Talk:Herero and Nama genocide

message: Reading some publications such as: hans hilpisch "wo sind die herero geblieben?" 2019 - 2021 
And rainer tröndle "gewisse ungewissheiten" 2012
, i came a cross some evidence that suggest that it can hardly be called a genocide. Such as: new estimates about the number of herero at the waterberg (12.000-15.000) and the number of herero overall (35000) and the geographical attributes given in the omaheke desert, namely that there is some water, the germans just didnt know about. According to the interpretation the herero escaped to british botswana or returned to their lands, while the germans in an attempt to whitewash their failure declared the desert closed off and threatened all herero that returned with death. As proof of the failure of this plan a blockade of a 250km desertstrip with approx. 1500 soldiers is declared as impossible. Also the timing of the escape and the order (around 2 weeks apart) is seen as evidence for its lack of real life value and as proof of the theatrics. The blue book of the british that lists german attrocities is cited as propaganda to reject the german vlaim to south west africa. 
All un all it seems sound to me. 197.233.137.241 (talk) 11:12, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  New research about the herero escape 

message: As the Nama people are best known as Nama than "Namaqua"; as the Nama people call themselves "Nama"; and as the German declaration addressing the genocide also refers to them as "Nama", never as "Namaqua" (https://www.dngev.de/images/stories/Startseite/joint-declaration_2021-05.pdf), I propose moving this article, from "Herero and Namaqua genocide" to "Herero and Nama genocide". Would anyone have a reason to oppose such a move? Thank you. Dan Palraz (talk) 11:16, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Support: At the time of the genocide, "Namaqua" was quite common in written sources, all of which of course originated from colonial people. Today, all outsiders call the tribe Nama people, and the insiders call themselves Khoikhoin. As khoikhoin is not English but Khoekhoe language, "Nama" might be the logical choice. --Pgallert (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Support Greenman (talk) 07:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Support. Makes sense for it to be "Nama" over "Namaqua". XTheBedrockX (talk) 16:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Support: Per WP:NAMECHANGES, the new title is appropriate. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 21:25, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the feedback. Made the change, since no one seems to oppose it. Dan Palraz (talk) 16:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

text:  Don't know who could also move the Category name, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide to "Herero and Nama genocide", but it probably should be done as well. Dan Palraz (talk) 16:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move proposal: "Herero and Namaqua genocide" to "Herero and Nama genocide" 

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thread_title:  Crimes against humanity category removal