Talk:The Incredibles/Archive 1

message: Hopefully this isn't out of place. I noticed that aside from the obvious comic allusions made by the names Beta Force and Thrilling Three, could the Phantasmics be a nod to the Fantasmic light and waterwork show at Disneyland/Walt Disney World? It's just that I can't recall anyone bringing it up before, though it was more than a bit obvious to me. 74.12.126.57 02:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Superteam References

message: I'm probably not the 1st person to notice this, but the name Nomanisan Island (Syndrome's lair)says "no man is an island" when you insert some spaces. Though this could be a coincidence, is this a quote from some famous piece of literature as a secret reference? or does it have something to do with Buddy's life? Invisible pyromanic leprechaun 15:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nomanisan Island

message: As a suggestion, why don't we combine both? (It'll probably make it more neater)...:)
--Joel 04:48, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The Voice Cast/Main Characters

message: Much of this section is entirely POV. 
I've noticed that some want to remove the Elastigirl section, which may or may not be POV. I vote to have this, or rather these section(s) removed as well.
--Joelkirk 02:29, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and edited that, so the Watchmen references come before the Powers ones --Ryano 14:59, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comic Book References and Movie Tributes (Disputed)

message: This page will cause Safari to crash on my systems. Further accounts are probably needed to confirm this to be systemic. --Xanadu 22:03, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if it has anything to do with the images and "edit" links vying for space in the subsections under Mature Themes in "The Incredibles".  Even on my windows/firefox configuration, it loads fine, but the edit links get messed up and put near the bottom.  --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 21:11, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
Removal of several images seems to have resolved Safari crashing. --Xanadu 21:19, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: The image that causes the problem is the one of Mirage. It crashes Internet Explorer and Safari to my knowledge, I haven't tried others. I've removed the link thus isolating that image. I've also added a warning on the image page about it. Unfortunately I can't get to a place where I can download the image to try and fix the corruption in an image editor. If anyone can do that it would help - while you're at it, 182K is waaay too big - it should be possible to get this down to 30K-ish without sacrificing too much detail.Graham 00:43, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Safari 

message: While it appears that Elastigirl is a very popular character...do we really need all these pictures of her? --Xanadu 21:35, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's okay. I think the amount we have currently is enough to get through the popularity of the character. --Joelkirk 11:01, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elastigirl 

message: There's no reference in the article to Syndrome's lair.  Come on, that's got to be the best lair ever!  Also, there's no mention (last time I checked) to Syndrome's previous alias.  What was it? "Incrediboy" or something?  Regards, Redux 18:00, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I don't know. It was your typical run-of-the-mill spurned-fanboy-turns-evil-multimillionaire-with-island kind of lair. :) :) :) As for Syndrome's previous alias, it was indeed "Incrediboy" ... or at least he tried to make it so. I'll see if I can work that much in somewhere. --Joe Sewell 04:54, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

text: Syndrome's "Incrediboy" alias was used all over the article, Redux! Still, I added a small note about it in the Characters section, in Buddy Pine's paragraph. --Joe Sewell 05:07, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syndrome's lair and alias 

message: I don't see how zero point energy can be considered a reference to Half Life 2.  Zero point energy is a quantum physics topic that's been around for about 20 years.
Besides, how could The Incredibles reference a game that hadn't been released yet?  Granted, Half Life 2 was released about a week and a half after the Incredibles, but zero point energy shouldn't be considered a reference.  That's like saying The Saint references Chain Reaction because they are both about cold fusion.
I move for deletion, but want some other opinions.--Phobetor 02:09, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: To me, it's a tough call.  While it isn't necessarily a true reference (unless somebody at Pixar beta tested Half Life 2), there's more of a connection there (in terms of delivery systems) than to the high-math Wikipedia page. --Joe Sewell 17:25, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Game References 

message: The article mentioned the Return of Jedi forest chase scene and volcano based distroy the world plots that are reused in this movie.  Have anyone noticed that the save-the-L-Train scene is from Spiderman 2?  The missile shooting the jet plane sequence is from X-men 2. Kowloonese 01:19, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)
:I put the Spiderman 2 similarities in the article. I noticed that it was missing! Scorpionman 02:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  similarities to other films 

message: The entire section "Appeal of Elastigirl" is blatantly POV. "There is a question—obviously by male viewers—on whether or not it is right to say the characters of Mirage and Elastigirl are sexy eye-candy." This assumes that women won't find them attractive and that men will. I personally don't find either of these characters sexy; Mirage is too one-dimensional, and Elastigirl reminds me too much of my mom. And I completely disagree with the assertion that Elastigirl's "apparent assets add a certain physical sex appeal" or that "Helen represents the ideal companion." The last sentence in that section, "We may not see an upsurge of human/CGI character relations, but..." is completely speculative and nonfactual. And why is there an "Additional Images of Elastigirl" section but no additional images of the other characters? I want to remove the whole "Appeal of Elastigirl" section, but I figured I'd post about it here first to find out whether anyone else agrees with me. - Brian Kendig 14:47, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that section was pointless even though I do have a sick cartoon crush on Mirage... Another vote for removal of the section. It just doesn't look professional. --Anonymous Cow 23:34, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree =)  But I understand the appeal of Elastigirl, and I say keep the section.  — Jesse's Girl | Please talk! 19:18, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree...even though I started it. I also believe we should delete the comic book tributes since those aren't really factual just assumptions...Joel Lindley 04:56, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Appeal of Elastigirl"? 

message: The idea that "Metroville" is a combination of Metropolis and Smallville is creative, but weak. I'm confident it's a generic name for a fictional city (like "The City" in the Tick's world or "Townsville" in the Powerpuff Girls cartoons). There are also references to Municiberg (on police scanner & el train) in the film. Both boil down to "City Town", i.e. Generic City.
Link to the Spirit is also tenuous. Mr. I had to change into something for dinner, and a suit is the obvious choice. The resemblance to the Spirit is there, but is almost certainly coincidental. --Pickman 18:53, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Doubts RE: Comic book references

message: Could someone please merge and redirect Jack-Jack Attack to this article. Thanks--nixie 09:30, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has already done just that. --Joe Sewell 17:01, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I note that somebody has added the voice cast for the Hindi version.  Presumably this film has been dubbed into tens of different languages - is it really appropriate to start adding the voice casts of each version here? --Ryano 09:47, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree; if such a page to cover the voice actors of dubbed versions of the film were started, it should include all languages and be separate from the main film's entry. --Che Fox 15:01, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice cast 

message: Is the Rise of the Underminer going to be a sequel to the movie or is it just going to be a video game? Scorpionman 01:17, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have clarified the nature of Rise of the Underminer in the article text. — Jeff Q (talk) 15:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Rise of the Underminer'' 

message: Should a better picture for Mr Incredible (and possible Jack-Jack) be found? Mr Incredible's is of bad quality compared by Elastigirl, Dash, Violet, etc. Squidward2602 13:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finding better Mr Incred pic? 

message: Man, this article needs some work. Clearly some overimaginative fans have gotten their mitts on it.
-Character section is pretty much okay, although Violet's "Vi" nickname should be deleted, as it's not her superhero name. It's just there for no reason. She doesn't have a superhero nickname.
-The "jack of all trades" reference in Jack-Jack should be deleted, as it's been stated many times by Brad Bird, in interviews, the DVD, the artbook, that Jack-Jack was just named after his son. 
-The references to Rick Dicker looking and sounding like past presidents should be deleted. Just asinine speculation.
-Redundant info on the "Elastigirl/Mrs. Incredible" info in the Merchandising section.
-The tributes section: hoo boy. Where to begin. I'd say more than half of it should go. Obviously Brad Bird was influenced by a lot of things, mostly old superhero comics and Bond films. But we can't start listing every little thing that might be related. It's just asinine fancruft speculation. I'll try to cut it down as much as I can.
-The Themes section seems alright, although the authors might be reading too much into the film. It might need to be softened a little. As far as violence/death goes, it's still pretty sanitized.
-I fail to see the point of the huge paragraph pointing out the Objectivism in the film when it's preceded by a quote from Bird completely denying it. If someone wants to shorten it to some "controversy over philosophical stance" thing, that might work.
-As I said a bit up the page, the "Appeal of Elastigirl" thing has to go. Now. It's just worthless fancruft. This is an encyclopedia, not a shrine website.
-A few bits in the trivia could be cut, like the comparison between Hyperion and Gamma Jack (needs proof) and the odd comment about "Incredibles 2".
So, I can do most of this myself, but any help or suggestions would be nice. --Marcg106 01:50, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Along with the 'Elastigirl's Appeal'...I think the 'Comic Book Tributes' and 'Themes' should be deleted. If a lot of readers are going to be snippy about what is put in the article, I recommend just putting the basic information about the film, and anything else that can be backed up by solid facts.--Joel 12:12, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

text: I just edited a bunch of things that have been bothering me for a while (with a large overlap with the list above), but if you are looking for suggestions, I say "Be Bold!" We'll clean up behind you if needed. :) Turnstep 14:00, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Okay, maybe every little influence didn't need to be listed, but did you have to delete everything? Maybe just take out the minor references and keep some of the major ones. Scorpionman 02:15, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  So much cleanup needed... 

message: http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808405432/photo/stills has promotional images for this movie that might be appropriate for use here under fair use licensing tagged as .  I see that a few are already here.  Two were here, but were removed by a Bot because the  tag was not used on the images.   Am I thinking correctly that we can include these images here as fair use strictly for this particular article? - Bevo 22:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotional photos 

message: The best I can find for information on a sequel is pure speculation dating from the first half of last year, at the latest. A Google search and a trip to IMDb showed up no signs that a sequel is in production. So, I'm editing the "Sequels" section to take this in to account. --David3565 01:00, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Sequels 

message: This is an article about the movie. I don't think that half or better of each blurb for the main characters should be taken up by information from a comic, which isn't considered canon anyway. —Wrathchild (talk) 15:06, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not too fond of the extra content from the Disney on Ice presentation, either. --Joe Sewell 17:41, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm treating the movie, the comic, and the play as one single continuity, so that's why it's in there. 67.175.136.57 21:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? We don't do the same to Snow White or Cinderella or even Toy Story. Why do it here? Disney certainly doesn't consider any of it canon. (As if the "On Ice" show would ever be anything more than a way to torture parents of little girls out of their hard-earned money.) At most the comic should get a mention in its own section. The "On Ice" stuff doesn't even deserve a mention. —Wrathchild (talk) 00:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comic content 

message: I've now created a new article for Frozone. Now can anyone help with the title for the article by changing it from Frozone (The Incredibles) to just Frozone? Kanjilearner 23:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you just change the redirect article instead of creating a new one? —Wrathchild (talk) 00:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind. I took care of it. —Wrathchild (talk) 01:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Article for Frozone 

message: There has been a merge tag on Operation Kronos for a long time.  I disagree with the merger proposal as this article is pretty long already, and it doesn't really fit in.  Any other comments? Kcordina 12:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur with the suggestion to merge. The Kronos article is very short, and being integral to the plot of the movie, it should definitely be merged. Alan 18:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge I concur with Alan. --Joe Sewell 20:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Neutral.  They are theoretically seperate topics but unless there is more information to add to Operation Kronos it should just be merged into the plot section of the article here. Eluchil404 15:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge As said above. --WillMak050389 15:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Merge fits all criteria, Op. Kronos is not a good article standing alone. --WillMak050389 14:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: I understand that some of the Seven Deadly Sins were comitted in this movie by the villains of the movie. Obviously, The Underminer has committed gluttony in addition to wrath (the Deadly Sin that most of the supervillains in pop culture commit). What were the Sins that Bomb Voyage and Syndrome commited?
:Bomb Voyage obviously is guilty of avarice, and Syndrome is guilty of rage, envy, and multiple murders. Alan 18:22, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''The Incredibles'' and the Seven Deadly Sins 

message: I would like to dispute the statements about the death toll compared to other Disneys.  Mulan had a massive body count.  There's the village, the Chinese army, and then much of the Hun army. Oh, and in the cape scene you don't necessarily have to infer that each of the supers is killed (the DVD extras lists them as missing doesn't it?).  But who cares — I don't think the bullet adds value and suggest that it be deleted entirely.  - JethroElfman 03:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, only Splashdown is marked as Missing in Action. 71.201.5.187 12:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death toll 

message: When I was at work in early 2004 there was a guy that loved Pixar. He was excited about a movie coming out called "The Supers" I could not find a reference but I am .positive. that this was the original title of the movie. Does anyone remember this or am I just nuts? C5mjohn 03:11, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Figures, right after I post this I finally find it. According to IMDB it was originally going to be called "The Fantastics". I knew it was different but my mind couldn't remember it correctly.C5mjohn 03:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Title 

message: I think it should be made into a new article.  They're not exactly the movie, and it should explain the plot of the games, who are all the characters (playable and un-playable), and so on. --71.105.15.11 16:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Video games

message: I don't have the GNU permit that I need to put a headshot of Helen on the characters section or on her dedicated article. Could someone take care of this, please? Kanjilearner55 01:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry for double-posting, but I really want someone who has a GNU permit to put up the linked headshot of Helen as a thumbnail. Kanjilearner55 15:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To whoever "wikified" those pics, thanks! Kanjilearner55 23:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elastigirl/Mrs. Incredible pic