Talk:Tamil Muslim

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Tamil Muslim]] 

message: I have removed the entire "Eminent personalities" section, as it directly violates WP:BLP and WP:NLIST. In order to include a living person on any list, we must have verification in the form of a reliable source that 1) the person is important enough to be discussed in prose in the article and 2) the person is a member of this group (i.e., here, that the person is a Tamil Muslim. For cases in which ethnicity and/or religion are involved, the restrictions are even stronger, in that we must have a verifiable source that the person self-identifies as a member of that group. Usually that means that lists of this type should be restricted only to people who have their own Wikipedia articles (to meet requirement #1), and whose articles have a reliable source that verifies the self-identification. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eminent personalities 

message: Much of this article is unsourced. I have removed some of it (stuff like the list of places is unencyclopedic even if sourced), and tagged much of the rest of it. Should sources not be provided in a reasonable amount of time, it should all be removed. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:28, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like you to look into Sri Lankan Moors article which has been poorly written almost entirely on somebody's personal bias.If anybody does a bit of time-spent research and remove what is bluff, perhaps it would lead to less confusions in articles like this which is though completely unrelated to ethnicity, but Users tend to hijack/impose it here, citing that poorly written and referenced article.--CuCl2 05:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced sections 

message: In my opinion this article is all about Tamil people who accept Islam as their religion starting from 635AD.As Islam preaches brotherhood between all Muslims,intermarriages between Tamil Muslims and other Muslims from North India and Middle East are somewhat common and all those immigrants were later assimilated into the larger Tamil Muslims of Tamilakam in which for some time includes the Sri Lankan Moors as they were the result of assimilation of Dravidian and Arab people.In fact Sri Lankan Moors adopted some Tamil customs such as wearing kurai,tying Thali,helding alatti ceremony,kudi system and etc.All these bear evidences of the close intercourses that occur between the Tamil Muslims of Tamilakam and Sri Lankan Moors  as well as between local Tamil women.Other than that i would like to stress that the migration of Moors to Sri Lanka is not only directly from middle east but also from Tamil Nadu and Kerala in which the local muslim population also migrated to Sri Lanka and fuses with the Moor community.This can be seen in physical appearance of Moors who looks more like Tamils than Arab.Despite all this in Sri lanka, the Moors are listed as separate entity who descend from the arabs for various reasons and it seems that there is a separate Sri Lankan Moor article in wikipedia for that.I think this wiki article which is about Tamil Muslims should only contain the infos regarding the Muslims of Tamilakam and their decendants around the world.Sri Lankan Moors who were classified as Arabian by GOSL statistics do not fit here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tan Meifen (talk • contribs) 
:Your opinion isn't the deciding factor here. If you look at the very first sentence of this article, it is about "Muslims of Tamil descent". What you're talking about is relevant info, but you can't redefine the article to be something that it isn't. More relevantly, if reliable sources use the term "Tamil Muslim" to mean "Muslims of Tamil descent", then that is what our article should be about. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:55, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you want to stress here,are you mentioning that there are no Tamil Muslims of Tamil descent or you just plainly pointing that Muslims of Tamilakam were result of admixture of several trading races?It is not clear. For example let take some country in Southeast Asia such as Indonesia or Malaysia. Those countries also since classical time attracts various kind of trader since ancient times. This lead to significant of the native people to mingle with, first Hindu people from South India forming Mongolo-Dravida stock, Chinese then with the Muslims(Arabian,Tamils,Gujarati). The Muslims with Arab and any other ancestry were later assimilated into the larger Islamic Malay race which they constitute now. There are Malays with mixed pakistani or Arabic descend but this do not conclude that Malays descends form those people,it is just their common religion lead to intercourse between those people and later assimilation in the larger islamic Malay race and this is the very same case with Tamil Muslim. Physical appeareance of the majority Tamil Muslims also resemble their Hindu or Christian counterpart while they are also Tamil Muslim who appears to be comparable with North Indian which explains the earlier assimilation process into the Tamil community. All these materials that i posted is not my own imagination as i got those views from some readings--Tan Meifen (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, all I'm trying to say is that this article is about people who are of Tamil descent who are also Muslim. That is the topic of this article. You cannot unilaterally change that. I'm not saying anything about descent, or physical characteristics. I'm saying that you are attempting to restrict the topic of this article down to something that it was never intended to be. Qwyrxian (talk) 14:33, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sri Lankan Moors 

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message: Despite what the anon claimed with this edit, my recent removals were by no means entirely because sources did not support the claims. The anon has given a rationale that does not cover the issues and has incorrectly claimed I was vandalising. - Sitush (talk) 06:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As other IPs pointed out, the sources in the article are well cited. Visit Connemara Public Library to get hard copy. You removed 42% of the bytes claiming they are "poor content". That's a sign of a jealous vandal (not positive contribution). Live and let live.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.17.184 (talk) 06:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Jealous of what? And please read WP:NOTVANDAL. You have yet again reinstated the poor content and clearly do not understand our policies and guidelines. We cannot write anything we wish on Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 09:37, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

text: Your edits don't seem in good faith. You deliberately introduce nonsensical claims like Arwi is a separate language. You removed references & tagged them asking for citations.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.65.80.205 (talk) 17:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything is nonsensical then fix it but do not reinstate 12k of poor content just to fix one statement. - Sitush (talk) 03:19, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Stop removing cited content. Poor quality is your POV.182.65.168.64 (talk) 18:16, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Turning your argument on its head, good quality is your POV. The difference is, I've been here a long time and have gained a certain amount of respect for recognising what is or is not "good". You, seemingly, have not.As I said above, I'm quite happy to discuss how to improve this article but I feel it would be better done on a section-by-section basis rather than by a mass reinstatement of often very poor content. This edit war is not one you are going to win because you are breaching numerous policies and guidelines, including such minor things as WP:INDICSCRIPT and much more major things such as WP:V, WP:RS and WP:CONSENSUS. You may have noticed that it is not just me who has been reverting your attempts to reinstate the poor material. - Sitush (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  You have not actually read any of the books cited in the article. Poor quality is your POV. 122.178.59.165 (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  How do you know I haven't? You are displaying all the signs of being an arrogant warrior, not a collaborative contributor. The article will end up being protected in some form or another and then you will have lost your chance. Better to co-operate now than throw the baby out with the bathwater. - Sitush (talk) 15:39, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reinstatement of poor content 

message: User Sitush arrived on this article 19 weeks ago and began slashing & burning whole paragraphs (11 times so far) along with citations blindly under the pretext of lack of refernces. He also added outlandish POV & outright lies (like Arwi is a language,...) He also dumbed down the grammar quality of the page (replacing words like miscegenation with "mix of races").
He is not Muslim. He is not even Tamil. He has no causa proxima to this community.
Who is going to leash this Quick Gun Murugan ?122.178.59.165 (talk) 09:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Having no "causa proxima" is actually a good qualification for contributing. Far better than having one often is. Aside from misrepresenting what I've done, you're reinstating all the old problems. I've already explained in the preceding section how we could work towards improving this article but you are clearly not interested. I am going to seek article protection. - Sitush (talk) 09:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
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message: "nabi", glossed as "messenger of god", is listed as a loan from Malay. This is the Arabic word for "prophet". I cant say for sure that it didn't enter Tamil via Malay, but given the extensive direct contact between Arab traders and Tamil Nadu, it seems more likely that it is a direct loan from Arabic.Bill (talk) 04:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Nabi is a Malay loan word like other phrases like lungi, peribapu, chicha,.... It's however possible that the root is Arabic. Unlike Urdu speakers, Tamil Muslims did not have direct contact with the Arab World until last quarter of 20th century. Hence, the confusion.122.178.59.165 (talk) 15:35, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

text: I have removed the entire Vocabulary section because it was unsourced anyway. - Sitush (talk) 13:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocabulary