Talk:CM Punk/Archive 1

message: What about his time in Maniac Wreslting Federation? Someone add this please
:Most of his stuff isn't covered because it isn't notable, if you look at his championships there are many listed that aren't even referenced because his only real notable federations are IWA:MS, RoH, TNA and ECW. Arguably his time in Full Impact Pro could be added but beyond that nothings really more notable. --- Lid 18:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What about MWF

message: No mention of his time in the Lunatic Wrestling Federation before he turned pro?
:Feel free to add info on his backyard wrestling days if you have it. 
:↪Lakes (Talk) 19:43, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was in the Chicago area around the time LWF was big in the Chicago scene.  I never attended a show but would listen to their hypeline occasionally.  There is a good chance that they may have been a legit fed for a while since they ran shows out of a park district.  Here is some more info from 411mania
"Billy Whack chimes in on some C.M. Punk lore…My name is Billy Whack, and I used to own and promote the Lunatic Wrestling Federation in Chicago. (1993-2004)
....
And I'll never forget the day we came up with "Punk" also...
It was a rainy day at All American Comics, where I worked...And I had invited a 14 year old Phil Brooks (a regular at the shop) to hang out with us over the weekend and maybe referee one of our backyard matches. (The LWF was "backyard" from 93-97, and legit thereafter) He asked to "wrestle", and I suggested he be a heel version of the 123 Kid. (93, remember?) We would simply call him--"The Punk." and we did, till about 1996."   ()
Maybe there are some other people from the area who know better.  I'm sure when Punk was in it it was backyard for most of the time...
--RedBirdI55 18:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Backyard

message: :Add any additional comments
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:The nominated move was approved 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ↪Lakes (Talk) 11:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

text: *I was following Wikipedia:Requested moves - five days+ of discussion and 85% agreement. --- Lid 20:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of what RM says about when a move can take place, that doesn't necessarily mean that a move is the wise decision in the middle of a policy debate on a related page that, depending on how it is resolved, could cause your move to be reverted.  I would think it wiser to resolve the policy debate first, then work on moving pages. Tuckdogg 21:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Is Punk a face or a heel? I don't get it. --Ed-kipedia 02:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's whichever you want him to be. --- Lid 08:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Face or Heel? 

message: Recently I have come to realise that Punk's move, currently listed as the Devil Lock may in fact be a reference to The Misfits song and hairstyle, Devilock. Punk has always had an affinity for the Misfits however Devil Lock would make more sense grammatically. Any opinions? --- Lid 12:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devil Lock or Devilock? 

message: The signature moves list is way too long. It looks to me like a fan of his just made a giant list of all the moves hes ever done. Signature moves, by definition, are special moves that are done frequently by workers in almost every match. It looks like someone just added every move CM Punk has ever done to that list. Can we cut it down? He doesn't need 1,000 holds like Dean Malenko. 65.30.40.87 13:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of it came from Punk's website with a few exceptions from OWW and observation, but i'll see what I can remove --- Lid 14:13, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Signature Moves List

message: I just wanted to point out that I found a photo on Wikipedia of CM Punk that isn't being used:   SilentRAGE! 03:04, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone changed the TNA profile image to that once but it was changed back because despite what it claims that's an image of Punk in RoH, not WWE. Punk has never had blonde hair in WWE. Due to that the TNA one was put back in as it's a better profile image and higher quality, and as the image illustrates nothing of importance it's left out of the article. --- Lid 03:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Then doesn't it need to be deleted if it's not in use? I was pointing it out, just incase somebody needed to use it or not.  SilentRAGE! 09:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unused Photo 

message: This article is comprehensive, well-illustrated well-sourced and fairly readable. While I wish it weren't so heavily reliant on the one wrestling site, it at least cites it frequently. I consider it a Good Article. Good job, editors.
It could be a featured article, if more diverse sources were found, there was more info on his personal life and history outside of wrestling, some sections were moved around and some rough spots in the prose cleaned up. Keep at it. Daniel Case 03:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Passed GA

message: I've noticed that most, if not all, of the Wiki articles on current WWE wrestlers have a current WWE picture (whether it be a publicity still from their website, or a picture from their house shows) in their infobox. Should the Punk picture be changed to a current WWE still? PunkCabana 21:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, gotcha. I read a little disclaimer thing while going in to make a few edits saying not to replace the image anyway. PunkCabana 00:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Picture?

message: What's with all the references? Every other sentence has one. Not every match result needs a link. Comprehensive is cool, but this is going overboard. It makes editing hard. I think most of them should be removed. Maestro25 23:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It really doesn't make editing hard, but whatever. If you want to take the references down, feel free to do so. I personally feel it would cheapen a good article, so I won't take any down. Calaschysm 00:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that there are too many references.  We're talking about a fairly new wrestler who has a cult following of a few hundred fans.  It does make it really hard to edit, and it isn't necessary to have 80 references (most of which are websites anyway) for someone like this. 69.209.113.141 22:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that there are too many references.67.86.149.41 07:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, if they were w-b-w results then yeah, they were bad. Disregard my last statement. -- THL 01:21, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many references 

message: What happened to the page? It looks so...empty.--989 RVD 21:37, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vandalized; I fixed it. -- THLCCD 21:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHAT HAPPENED 

message: I'm reporting this that 202.89.150.42 has vandalized CM Punk's profile as Drunk. Someone please warn him? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CM_Punk&action=history --Dekabreak101 21:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalized as "Drunk" 

message: Just a wild stab in the dark here, but shouldn't the uranage be put under the finishers section since CM uses it as a precursor to his Anaconda Vice? --  Jลмєs Mลxx™  Msg me  22:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He hasn't used it to finish a match. Cheers, -- THL 02:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

text: To quote myself from a slightly higher topic about his moves:
"Moves are in alphabetical order. Named signature moves are placed above unnamed signature moves. It's unnamed and starts with 'u.' That's why it's at the bottom of the list." He's also used the anaconda vice without setting it up with a uranage, so it's not necessarily used to set it up every time. Calaschysm 20:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A question... 

message: Do these sections really matters? Other wrestlers pages only give a short reference to indy feds worked for. Plus, the week by week here is unnecessarily extensive. If it's all the same, I'd like to remove most of it and shorten it down to a paragraph or two. --Maestro25 07:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That'd probably work. More extensive detail could be gone into on a Wikia, where detail is allowed. --Calaschysm 08:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ROH and OVW 

message: He used KENTA's Go 2 Sleep on ECW to beat Johnny Nitro. Should that be mentioned? 24.34.81.232 18:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We call the move what the wrestler calls it. That's why on John Cena's page, we don't have the FU listed as a Fireman's Carry Slam (which is what it is). Call the move whatever Punk calls it. TJ Spyke 06:14, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His new finisher 

message: Punk did not defeat Johnny Nitro to earn a spot in a specific match, he defeat Nitro to earn a spot in a specific match at a specific event. If you don’t like it, I suggest to go to Edge’s page a remove the part about him earning a spot in the Money in the Bank match at WrestleMania 23 (a future match). You might also want to go to The Undertaker’s page a remove the part where it says that by winning the Royal Rumble he earned a title shot at Wrestlemania 23 (also a future match).PepsiPlunge 03:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have. I hope others can watch for it too because I don't want to have to watch every single one of their articles for the next month. TJ Spyke 06:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm also watching TJ, but hopefully we're not the only two, it's starting to become a real pain. Sometimes I've even given out vandal warnings to repeat offenders for blatantly ignoring the warnings. Bmg916 Speak to Me 19:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Money in the Bank qualifying match

message: did we agree to move the page or was it vandalism? The Royal Blue 00:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a single user its an agreed upon system of the wrestling wikiproject that applies to all wrestling articles. –– Lid(Talk) 23:31, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:     CM Punk or Phil Brooks? 

message: Okay two things here.
1. The Crooked Moonsault is listed as a "Split-legged Moonsault", and I haven't seen him do a split-legged moonsault ever. I've seen him do a regular top rope moonsault, but not a split-legged one. Could someone direct me to a match where he does a split-legged moonsault?
2. at the bottom of his move set it mentions the KENTA-esc combo that eh does before the Uranage, but doesn't mention that the Uranage is just the setup for the Anaconda Vice, and that the Uranage is (as far as I know) never been used without the the Anaconda Vice following it. so shouldn't the Anaconda Vice be mentioned? --Ben Tokyo 11:09 April 9, 2007 (UTC)
:He did the split-legged moonsault in IWA-MS during Punk v Guerrero for the IWA-MS title, however I can not recall him performing one in ROH off the top of my head. As with the arm twist ropewalk legdrop this was much more common in his IWA days.
:He has performed the anaconda vice without the KENTA combo outside of the WWE in OVW, IWA-MS and ROH. –– Lid(Talk) 15:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moveset 

message: I think the reason given for his appearance at that event is incorrect. The snowstorm (obviously) didn't happen until that day, yet ROH had been hyping for a couple weeks before that show that "something big" was going to happen, and would offer the fans a refund if they wanted to leave after the third match. Obviously, this can't have been because Homicide, Jay Lethal, Alex Shelley, Chris Daniels, Samoa Joe, and AJ Styles (whichever of them were originally scheduled for the show) left early for the TNA PPV that was happening the next day.
The need for "something big" was because of the final walkout of Low Ki. A rematch, that never happened, of the first main event in ROH history (Low Ki/Daniels/Danielson) had just been announced for the 100th Show, and I believe other matches involving Ki had also been announced. The snowstorm and subsequent early departures for the TNA PPV just make that show look even more thrown-together when watching it now. Nosleep1234 16:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unscripted II 

message: Just wondering what happened to the fact that he won a fatal four-way match to win the number 1 contender spot on the June 26th episode of  ECW on SciFi?  That could have contributed to this so called "feud" with Nitro (Morrison). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Starsfan32 (talk • contribs) 
*It was a 2/3 falls match with Elijah Burke, and it's already mentioned in the article. --MarcK 08:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent History 

message: Should a note be added to it such as "Pre-WWE" or "Debut-2005?" Otherwise, a casual fan could read the article and expect to see the Plunge regularly. I've seen other articles list dates next to finishers that are no longer used. Gavyn Sykes 23:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pepsi Plunge

message: "CM Punk is a follower of Straight Edge, a culture which he follows in real life". CM Punk is either Straight Edge or he isn't. Much like Joey Styles calling Kevin Thorn a "follower of the Vampire lifestyle, saying that he is a "a follower of Straight Edge" sounds alot like weasel wording and only cheapens his life decisions by calling him a "follower". Joey Styles sounds like he's parroting Vince McMahon who always seems critical of lifestyles he doesn't understand (like when he criticized Nick Bollea on "Hogan Knows Best" for having a frathawk) and wikipedia should not reflect Vince McMahon's limited understanding of or passive aggressive animosity towards anything "subculture" related.
*How is that a weasel word? It's just a figure of speech. The only difference between being "a follower of straight edge" and simply "straight edge" is purely semantic. --MarcK 01:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Follower

message: Can someone please add that CM Punk won the 15 Minutes of Fame watch regaining a natch at SummerSlam for the ECW World Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BIGCANDICEFAN (talk • contribs) 
We don't do week by week things, it MIGHT be note worthy if he wins at SS Swanton Bomber 00:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  15 Mins. Of Fame 

message: The intro is not supposed to be a whole biographt. shorten it. PayneXKiller 19:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: Does anyone no what the music on the SKY Sports Vignette is? As we don't have as many ad breaks as americans there is usually a wrestler related short video instead. I'd love to know what its called a. because i like it but b. because i think it should be put in the article. Thanks User:George bennett90.205.60.50 15:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it isn't a reason to insert something into a article. Davnel03 19:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music on sky sports ad 

message: In WikiProjects Professional Wrestling, and Chicago, CM Punk is a high-importance article. CM Punk is [in wrestling] an indie-lengend, and one of the only main-event wrestlers to represent Chicago. Punk is also a 1-time and current ECW Champion and has held multiple championships in ROH. For these reasons, I have changed his importance to high, because low is unacceptable. Lex94 Talk  Contributions Guest Book 11:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Professional wrestlers in Chicago" would make it high for Chicago however on the balance he isn't on the level of true "high" level peiople from Chicago such as Barack Obama etc. Even in wrestling being "high" are someone with probaby legendary careers that are below Top importance to the sport as a whole (for example Rikidozan and Hulk Hogan would be top while high would be people like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit). Punk hasn't had the career length or achievements to justify a high ranking, however his ECW reign and ROH reign puts him above the average wrestler and thus a mid is applicable. –– Lid(Talk) 11:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that CM Punk is more important than that. Punk is like the new John Cena. Multiple wrestling companies fought to get him on their roster, because he connects naturally with the audience, and connects naturally with the mat. He seems like the MESSIAH of professional wrestling. Lex94 Talk  Contributions Guest Book 23:50, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Like the new John Cena" is a personal opinion and considering Cena is a three-time WWE champion and one of the longest reigning champions ever among multiple other reasons it's only basing his importance based off his potential rather than just how important he actually is. There have been many next big things that have come and gone that are not of high importance (see: Lesnar, Brock). –– Lid(Talk) 23:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true; point made. Just going to have to wait and see if Punk is actually the next big thing.Lex94 Talk  Contributions Guest Book 00:41, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Importance 

message: The next week on Raw, Cm Punk claimed that he was not sorry for his actions, that The Rock had interrupted him & the show should end with him in the spotlight each night thus turning into a tweener.  Later that night John Cena faced The Big Show to determine who would face Punk for his title at Summerslam. Punk attacked Cena & Big show thus resulting in a double disqualification & and he announced that there is no winner. But the new GM of Raw AJ Lee said Cm Punk ail face both Show & Cena at Summerslam.
69.70.160.2 (talk) 05:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Mdann52 (talk) 08:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I'll close this request pending a source and specification. FloBo A boat that can float! 09:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 2 August 2012 

message: The source is false.  Punk did not train Pelle Primeau, Mitch Franklin/Grizzly Redwood, Bobby Dempsey or Derick Dempsey.  They all joined the ROH school after Austin Aries took over as trainer.  72.197.18.6 (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrestlers trained 

message: Punk has a skull of some sort or something on his chest. He also now has a skull tattoo with what appears as wings around it with a word an top. Im not sure exactly what it says but these 2 are missing from the tattoo section so if someone could add them. BlackDragon 00:27, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  tattoos 

message: "please change "On October 31, CM Punk strong-armed his way into a match with Del Rio at Survivor Series," to "On November 20, CM Punk strong-armed his way into a match with Del Rio at Survivor Series," because that is the correct date of the Survivor Series 2011".
Theno1katzman (talk) 18:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  - On October 31 Punk forced a title match out of Del Rio to be held at Survivor Series. Both events are repped by their respective sources. Papacha (talk) 01:37, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 19 October 2012 

message: I can't see it in the article but he confirmed it here https://twitter.com/CMPunk/status/185198024455241728 MaybeMaybeMaybe (talk) 20:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pescetarian 

message: Under "In wrestling", we should put the effectiveness of moves based on where in a pinfall it would get them.  For instance, very effective moves could be the roundhouse, Koji clutch, diving elbow drop, etc. It would also be useful to see how often he uses certain moves. Rope hung arm trap can openers are used almost never, while corner step up high knee followed by running bulldogs are seen almost always. It would be awesome to see this in other wrestler's pages, too. Please consider and respond. Thanks for reading.209.213.145.236 (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That would just equate to opinion, though, so it's not really possible. أنا أحبك (talk) 17:39, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Effectiveness of Moves 

message: For Punk's "WWE Champion (2011-present)" section, should it be re-edited to "WWE Champion and Heel Turn (2011-present)" with Punk being a villain presently? Jedi Striker (talk) 05:31, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We do not use wrestling jargon such as heel or face turns in headings. Considering he was only heel two two years ago anyways. STATic message me! 05:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Also that section starts in mid-2011, so for a year of that Punk has been a face. Shall we have the header "WWE Champion and babyface and heel turn (2011-present)"? Probably best not. Tony2Times (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. But I've seen wrestling jargon used in Chris Jericho's headings. Jedi Striker (talk) 18:08, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heel turn?