Talk:Adolf Hitler/Archive 35

message: It is commonly said that AH was a paper-hanger.  I think the Wik article should let readers know if this is true or not. 08:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  paper-hanger 

message: I've heard a rumour that Adolf Hitler copied the style of his moustache from Charles Chaplin, whom he admired as a director and actor. Is this true? JIP | Talk 16:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The mustache was popular among British officers in WWI. It was never popular among Germans. Perhaps it is another case of Hitler admiring the British. Drogo Underburrow 15:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I doubt Hitler ever admired the British. The main reason for him having the moustache was to follow the advise of one of this advisors who told him that all great leaders had a distinctive facial feature. This information is from the film: Hitler: The Rise of Evil. --Siva1979Talk to me 17:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Chaplin was also British. Siva's doubts aside, I think a likely explanation is that both Chaplin and Hitler chose a look that was fashionable in British society at the time.
It was never about fashion. In fact at the time Hitler was a soldier in WWI the popular style was a large curved "imperial that dominated the face, and there are old pictures of hitler with this mustache. When gas was used as a weapon, any facial hair could allow gas to creep under the mask, therefore all soldiers shaved their facial hair, though many kept a small strip of hair under their nose which did not interfere with the function of a gas mask. The reason he kept it in that style was that it proved his heroism in the first world war. What we make fun of today was a symbol of heroism and military service. The idea that Chaplin had anything to do with it is just stupid. Angrynight 04:59, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moustache 

message: An unbiased page about A. H. is Hitler Historical Museum. Competent people, please add this link to External Links. Among other details, there is a statement, with sketch, that he designed Volkswagen Beetle car.
::Not only is it not unbiased, its promotes a neo-nazi and revisionist perspective, which has been throughly discredited. Its not part of any legitimate debate. Giovanni33 06:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hitler Historical Museum 

message: The latest rv, with an edit summary that requests that I respond here.  ML writes:  09:14, 24 April 2006 Musical Linguist (Rv. Giovanni, since you insist on implying he was a PRACTISING Cath in some way, perhaps you could explain on talk what OTHER way he practised. Speeches are not part of requirements for practising.) 
First of all I note that ML's revert also removed the external link that presents the evidence of Hitler being a Christian, although her edit summary and reverts don't mention that fact. Str1977 is guilty of doing the same thing. 
To answer your question, no, I don't have to explain what ways he was a practicing Cathlolic, as I'm not an authority on what constitutes acceptable practices that allows one to define in any definitive manner who is practicing and who is not. The standards are simply not clear and its a matter of POV or original research as far as I can tell to make the case at this point. 
The edit you are removing does not make any original research question, it simply states the known fact as we know them: that he was at least not in this way a practicing Catholic (stopped attending mass. The word "at least" implies, if anything, that there many be more ways in which he was not "practicing."  You believe that this (or for other reasons) makes him (Hitler) not a practing Catolic in an absolute sense, infact you believe he was not a Catholic or even a Christian---but this is not established, it a POV. I simply leave the question open, only reporting the facts as we know them. We know the Hitler was a Catholic and remained one in good standing officially. The Church authorities did not contest that but affirmed it. He was raised such and professed his beliefs his whole life. We know he stopped attending Mass, and so at least in this way he was not a practicing Catholic. That is all I say. Maybe he was not practing in any other way, or maybe he was--this is not a defintively known without enganing in original research, unless you can provide a definitive reference about what constitues "practice" among Catholics, and to show that if one stops practing in some ways that this means they are not a practicing Catholic, period (that they can not still practice in other ways).  Many Catholics I know who don't even attend Church but still consider themselves practicing Catholics by virtue of their private prayers. Hitler certainly continued to pray, as that is documented in public. So, for you to stay he did not practice in anyway (as your seem to content) needs to be supported or else it original research. Also, stop removing the external link. That is censorship of the POV you don't agree with as has been explained by other editors. If you don't agree just place a good link that makes the case for the other side, instead of removing the evidence that supports the argument you don't like. Giovanni33 09:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Catholic POV pushing by ML and Str

message: Alois Hitler starting using that name in around 1876, not 1898 or whatever year it has in the article. Can one of the serious editors changed that.
:Any references to this? And please sign off your after each comment you make. --Siva1979Talk to me 18:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ERR 

message: At the end of the introductory paragraph is a sentence stating "The Third Reich he has created has lasted twelve years". Shouldn't this be had? Using "has" makes it sound like it was written by a Neo-Nazi who expects the Reich to reappear. I would change this small but significant thing myself, but I don't want to get in trouble for editing this particular page without asking Rusty2005 00:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Be bold in editing pages, fixing poor grammar is always welcome. -- Drogo Underburrow 00:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph 1 grammar 

message: EffK has transferred to the Adolf Hitler talk page in French WP: he was driven there by a pro-Vatican "concentration".--shtove 23:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  EffK