Talk:Elephants' graveyard

message: Shouldn't the title of this article be Elephants' Graveyard?--U.U. 05:46, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
:No. See Wikipedia:Naming_convention#Lowercase_second_and_subsequent_words. --Prisk 05:49, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm looking for sources to tidy this up; so far I've seen "elephant graveyard", "elephant's graveyard", and "elephants' graveyard" each multiple times in scholarly sources. --Zeborah 02:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with the initial recommendation. Elephants' graveyard would be grammatically correct; the article should be moved to that page instead of using a Re-direct. Boneyard90 (talk) 20:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Move the apostrophe

message: Enough with the edit war - can we leave the popular culture stuff in for long enough to talk about whether or not we should keep it?
Personally I think it shouldn't be there in this sort of form because:
* lists like that get long and unmanageable quickly, yet as long as they get, there's no hope of them ever being complete
* it's not encyclopaedic, but rather just a jumble of data
* it's (I think) against policy, being original research (ie Wikipedia editors watching the films themselves), rather than information found in secondary sources (ie Wikipedia editors getting information from researchers who've watched and discussed the films).
By contrast, if we can find a source(s) that discuss "elephant's graveyard in popular culture" then it would be reasonable to synthesise the main points of those sources into this article.  But that would be in paragraph format and it wouldn't try to give a complete list, just enough examples to clarify the summary -- it'd be a format/style along the lines of:
:"The concept of the elephant's graveyard has been prominent in popular culture since 1823, when the eponymous hero of _The Elephant Who Wanted to Go Home_ became so popular in London that schoolchildren had elephant skeletons embroidered on their sailor suits[1].  In the twentieth century, works referencing the concept have been divided between those seeing it as an unattainable goal (cf _Indiana Jones and the Quest for the Elephant's Graveyard_) and those promoting it as the ultimate metaphor of oncoming environmental catastrophe (as in the 1985 film _The Ivory Forest_).[2]"
:(Where [1] is a reference to an article about London schoolchildren fashion in the 1820s, and [2] is a reference to a chapter in a book about Western myths and misconceptions about Africa.  Or whatever.) --Zeborah 07:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular culture 

message: And a year later -- keeping the Tarzan stuff in there, but moving the rest of the stuff to here as they don't seem particularly important either to the concept of the elephant's graveyard or to the places they occur -- true trivia, iow.  The list is as follows: --Zeborah (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: "Other references" list

message: Shouldn't there be a specific cite to the claim in the intro that it is a myth?: Does it really need one?  I could cite it to sources 1 through 5 but it seems a bit of overkill.  I think of the intro as something that summarises the rest of the article - if people want to know more they can see the appropriate section and follow the references from there for what they're specifically interested in.  --Zeborah (talk) 05:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cites 

message: Don't elephants visit the sites where their fellows have died?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 03:14, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure they do. Especially on May 23, which is All Saint's Day in the elephants calendar. They hold flower bouquets with their trunks and dress up neat for the occasion. A eulogy is delivered by the matriarch of the group, and they all trumpet a tune from the Babar Book of Brayers. It's a highly emotional time for pachyderms. 77.58.147.83 (talk) 15:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elephant gravesites 

message: There's a "citation needed" marker about a reference in the X-Files episode. I've just watched the episode, and the reference is there. Surely citing the title of the episode is sufficient. Or what? A time-stamp? -- Evertype·✆ 17:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the location (minutes/seconds) into the episode is needed, for the same reason we require a page number when someone cites a book as a reference.  Alternatively, a reliable third-party source that confirms the reference might be used.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems absurd. However, are there specific Wikipedia guidelines for the presentation of this material? -- Evertype·✆ 17:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations?