Talk:Ken Rosewall

message: Question about 1956 The article says Rosewall and Hoad failed to win the French Open doubles (alone of the slams)in 1956. In fact Hoad lost in the final playing with Cooper. My memory from that period is that Rosewall didn't play in the French of that year, but I could be wrong and the article does not make that clear. Could it be clarified?  Did he play or not?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleanboot (talk • contribs) 14:49, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about 1956 

message: Is there a direct source for the claim that Rosewall decided not to play at Roland Garros after 1969?  I have found articles in the New York Times in '71 and '73 stating that he skipped the tournament to rest for Wimbledon, and I'm happy to include those are sources, if there is nothing better.  Perhaps his record in the claycourt season before Roland Garros in these years can be mentioned as evidence (for example, he did not play the 1971 Italian Open, the only WCT player not to do so).  I've started a thread at the Tennis Warehouse boards on this topic.  Krosero (talk) 15:46, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Direct source? 

message: Hi,
Good work on the expansion here. Can I just point you in the direction of WP:TENSCR, a summary of the relatively recent discussions at WP:TENNIS regarding the use of tennis scores within articles. Although I'd describe the consensus arrived at as "loose" (only a handful of editors were participating, myself included), the guideline to include scores in prose "only where necessary" was in place before those discussions. This article seems to have a lot of scores in the prose itself, which appear to be predominantly the scores in finals matches that are also included in the wikitables etc.
Would you consider removing the less important scores from the prose, perhaps only leaving the more crucial/interesting ones?
Best wishes,
—User:MDCollins (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:TENSCR]] 

message: Regarding the 1956 title listed: is there a source for this particular cup? A quick google search reveals no details about this event's existence, with the exception of another wikipedia article, of Rod Laver career statistics, attributing him the 1961 title. Curiously, both mentions of this cup have dates that overlap with other events. In Rosewall's case, he apparently took out both the "Colonel Kuntz Cup" and Newport Casino Invitational simultaneously, both starting and finishing on the 23rd and 29th respectively, albeit on different continents. 
Given the naming, and lack of reference, I'm prone to think this event is entirely fictional, however, it has been listed on this page since early 2008, and his apparent French opponent (Marcel Bernard) would be plausibly still in the game (1956 being his final year of play). So, I'm leaving it up to an actual tennis buff to prove me wrong. As on the Laver page, it states that he overlapped this competition with another, starting and eventually winning both the Centennial Cup and the Colonel Kuntz Cup from the 25th of July 1961, with both conveniently located in Deaville, France. Possible source of this (potential) vandalism?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.11.146.204 (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Colonel Kuntz Cup source??

message: While I have little doubt that most of the info in this bio is accurate, it is woefully lacking in sources. I'm not sure any info in his "year by year" sections has any citations at all! This really needs to be fixed for such a great player. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Very few sources 

message: Where are all his important doubles results? Save his infobox, there is hardly anything on his doubles results on his article and his career statistics article on his doubles results. Given the fact that he achieved two career grand slams in doubles, it should be notable enough to be included? And how about his mixed doubles results. Tvx1 05:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Mixed doubles of older players are always tough to find since the ATP/ITF don't mention them. I dug his up though and entered them in the infobox. he actually played very few. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubles performance 

message: Tennis Hall of fame website lists Rosewall as 4-time Davis Cup champion.
This article lists only three titles.
Who's right?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.188.163.63 (talk) 23:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: He contributed to the 1973 Davis Cup win by playing a doubles match in the semifinal so that year has been added to the infobox.--Wolbo (talk) 10:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Davis Cup 

message: According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament_of_Champions_(tennis) he won it in '68 - but it was different than in the decade before. Still change his result record to W? 2A02:2788:1004:4D:595B:D524:7E62:867E (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it in the infobox. The table should have no mention since it was not a pro-slam. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOC 

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message: What is the policy on numerical scores?  I have been told that no numerical scores are allowed. There are many numerical scores in this article, should they be removed? Signed. 64.229.32.48 (talk) 01:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no wikipedia "policy" on scores. The usual guideline for scores is do not have them in prose unless they are an amazing record of some sort. Since the match or matches should have a proper source, or at least a tournament source if not a match source, then readers can get that detail from the source. So the best thing to do would be to make sure the paragraph is sourced properly and then remove the scores. You'd say he won in four sets rather than a set of scores. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:22, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scores 

message: Rosewall's TOC win in 1968 has been replaced in the infobox by the 1958 TOC final showing (actually runner-up in a RR).
In the Segura article we have included his TOC win in the Timeline section.
In those late fifties years, the TOC was usually the foremost tournament of the year, although not a retro Pro Slam.
Should we include TOC in the timeline for the players who won them? 
It seems logical for Segura, who regarded his TOC win as his greatest tournament win.Tennisedu (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: First you brought up infobox and then timeline. What exactly are we talking about? The infobox would contain the TOC up to the Open Era. For the timeline it depends on whether or not they have a career statistics article. Standard practice for all tennis players is once they have a career statistics article their main page gets limited to Grand Slam tournament/Pro Slam tournament timeline only. The career stats article timeline takes care of the rest. If they don't have a career stats article then the player's timeline would be more inclusive. Segura does not have a career statistics article and Rosewall does. It should absolutely be in Rosewall's career statistics article. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:42, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so that is the distinction. We will try going with that.Tennisedu (talk) 00:05, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It would actually be great if Segura would have a career stats article, like Rosewall, with a list of all wins and losses. Far too few of our players from the past have them. Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:15, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosewall and TOC 

message: The term 'biased' in this discussion is not needed and potentially misleading as to cause.  The actual total in favour of Laver for the Open Era is clear but the all time record is not due to the way it is worded. Antipodenz (talk) 08:04, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Removed entire sentence. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:23, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rosewall vs Laver rivalry 

message: We have included Rosewall's doubles results in the header for this article. I have been told that doubles results do not belong there.  What is our policy on this?Tennisedu (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubles results 

message: It's hard to interpret prize money from about 70-odd years ago. Is there a list of his cash finishes? If so, we can inflation-adjust these prizes to modern-day outputs to give at least a ballpark estimate of the winnings in modern terms. Electricmaster (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inflation-adjusted prize money?