Talk:Manele

message: Manele are criticized for their lyrical content, which often consists of boasts about the singer's supposed sex appeal, intellect, wealth, social status, and superiority over so-called "enemies". Many singers use bad grammar, repetitive and simplistic rhymes suitable for chanting and are sometimes vulgar and/or misogynistic. Manele composers and players also use the term "oriental music" for their creation, and consider their music a sub-genre of traditional, folk Roma music.
Traditional Roma music is usually played on classical instruments by a live band (taraf) of lăutari and has classical lyrics, while manele is usually sung by only one performer using modern instruments (generally synthesizers) as backup. Most manele are recorded in small recording studios, owned by the singer himself or by a group of singers, since major recording labels refuse to contract them. However, there are some exceptions: for example, Stana Izbaşa and Nicu Paleru sing live, often with traditional instruments.
This particular section is incomplete, subjective and focuses on the negative aspect of the genre while not addressing the main section topic. I propose completing this section by beginning with an excerpt that addresses the main subjects as well as explains why manele as a musical genre is so popular, and not the political or negative viewpoints on a few of the subjects it encompasses. This explanation ignores and doesn´t address what can arguably consider the largest part of the genre.
Some of the most common topics for this genre are those of love, heart break, infatuation, which the author completely omitted. One quick look at the songs that often top the popularity charts in Romania for this genre reveal that some of the most popular songs and hits contain one of these topics, not just the one the author of that excerpt addresses. 
While the style can sometimes be criticized for its simplistic lyrics it should be noted that not all manele can simply be categorized as such and often in music simplistic and memorable lyrics are often an advantage. Like any other genre, it depends on the composer. In general, the distinct features of manele which has sparked their popularity is the combination of soulful singing, recognizable-yet memorable-lyrics, especially in the topics of love and hearbreak. When combined with select and impactful musical voicings and rhythmic beats which inspire dancing, they create a very powerful musical expression. Singers typically express themselves with such genuine human emotion and feelings that when combined with the above characteristics, it becomes a powerful tool for transfering emotions and feelings from the singer to the listener at the deepest level, similarly to other known genres such as American Blues. 
Verses take advantage of a mixture of modern Romanian language as well as old Romanian, different dialects as well as slang. Manele often take advantage of the free form wording ability in the Romanian language, which when combined with more rustic expressions, can create the feel of poetry.  
To combat the purely opinionated and incorrect statement that attack the lyrical content of the songs, I present an example of a popular song by Florim Salam and Denisa "Iubire Iartă-mă" translated in English.
"Iubire Iartă-mă."   Love, Forgive me.
Florin Salam:
Mare greșeală am făcut  A big mistake I made
și azi aproape te-am pierdut  and last night I lost you
iar eu pe tine jur că te iubesc  but  I swear that I love you 
și tu ești tot ce îmi doresc  and you are everything I want 
Denisa:
Dacâ pe mine mă doreai     If you wanted me 
cu altcineva numai erai    with someone else you wouldn’t be
și dacă spui că mă iuebști așa  and if you say that you love me
cum ai putut să stai cu ea   how could you stay with her
Chorus
Floring Salam:
Iubire iartă-mă știu că ți-am greșit...  Love,  I know that I made a mistake 
ai pus la inimă știu ca te-am rănit  you took it to heart, I know I wounded you 
e numai vina mea ca-ți plânge inima   it’s only my fault that your heart is crying 
dar promit că mă voi schimba  but I promise that I will change 
Denisa:
astăzi eu te-aș ierta nu vreau să te pierd   today I’d forgive you, I don’t want to lose you 
dar mâine nu-aș putea mie să mi-o iert   but tomorrow I couldn’t forgive it(the act of forgiveness) to me 
poate că într-o zi tu iarăși vei greși   maybe one day you will again make a mistake 
și eu din nou voi suferi.   And I, again, will suffer. 
I do not think an explanation is needed to see why this particular piece and many other likes it cannot simply by summarized by the original characterization of this genre. Not only is the article subjective, but wrong, considering a large number of manele fall into this subject category. 
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexbucam (talk • contribs) 14:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subject matter - Incomplete and generally negative 

message: "Manele haters tend to overlook the widely accepted precept that any type of music is merely a question of taste, and that a certain taste in music does not incur a low IQ, lack of education and other such stigmas generally presumed of manele listeners."
So from this we can deduce that if i make a song about how the jews were massacred at Auschwitz and give it an amusing tone, the simple fact that I will be rejected by civilized society is "a matter of taste" ? The "matter of taste issue" is a simplistic way of avoiding responsibility for your actions and choices. If I say that manele is a so-called musical genre that makes a mockery of culture in general, of moral values, of women, and sends the message that all in life can be described in terms of "money, cars, sluts and enemies", then I think we can agree the rejection of this pseudo-music by the upper class is justified. On the same basis as this article, I can say that between artistic expression and plain stupidity there is a thin red line, and the "manelisti" are way beyond it...on the stupid side. I propose that the above citation from the article be removed, as it stands no real ground and it's presence in that certain section is completely against Wikipedia's NPOV policy.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.180.224.38 (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This is clearly subjective and poorly written

message: "... their clothes usually don't match and are of bad taste and ..."
What exactly is bad taste? Who defines it?
I think the whole article needs revisioning.
translated directly "prost gust" is "bad taste", but "prost gust" means with no sense of style  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.43.217.25 (talk) 14:23, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is highly subjective 

message: In lead: what is sg.? Not an abbreviation I'm familiar with, I'm guessing not English, should be expanded to whatever it means. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: "Singular". bogdan 14:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ah. English uses sing. But no reason not to spell it out. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Like ft. for feet, three characters instead of four. :-) bogdan 22:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird abbreviation 

message: Although the rockers and hip-hopers have nothing to share with manelisti(cocalari), it seems that they always have something against the other two genders. For them a person who listens to somethig else then manele is either a satanic/unwashed persons(rockers) or just stupid(hip-hopers), although the other two genres are more popular and much older then their music they seem to loathe it. Even more, each time they see one of the representatives of the two genres, they imediately get very beligerant(abusive) not only with words but with actions as well —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.125.117.40 (talk • contribs) 13 Dec 2005.
Removed this comment from the article - the anon may be right:
**A comment, I am not the writer of this article, I would like to state that this article is highly subjective and inaccurate. Even though I'm not a fan of the genre, I think manele deserve to be put in a better light than this.
CDC (talk) 22:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut from article 

message: With reference to this edit, now reverted, Ronline left this rather interesting message on my user talk page. 
:The article on manele refers to the music in the entire Southeastern European region, so I think the naşpa insertion is not particularly appropriate, since it's a Romanian word. Naşpa is the short form of naşparliu, which, in its original meaning, means something akin to witty (it's similar to "golănaş", and isn't used as an insult). At least that's how it's used in Transylvania. AFAIK, its new usage in Bucharest is slightly different - naşparliu is sometimes used as a synonym for those who try to be "cool" or "trendy". The "naşpa" character may be characterised by poor taste and manners (prost gust), self-centredness, an inconsiderate nature (nesimţire), and a like of manele, which has a poor reputation. It's used to refer to those, often from low-education backgrounds, who want to appear as trendy and "up there" but do so in poor taste. The term is often - quite unjustly - likened to Roma urban culture sometimes. So, the addition has some grounding, since naşpa is used in some contexts as a negative term. The article should probably explain the situation more clearly, however. Thanks,  Ronline ✉ 00:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Naşpa" 

message: Well, I think almost all the stations broadcast manele:
*Antena 1 - they were probably the first...
*ProTV and AcasăTV - http://stiri.acasa.ro/19193.html
*TarafTV - non-stop manele :-(
*Tele7ABC (bankrupt already?)
*OTV - of course... (OTV is a "troll" station, their purpose is to create scandals :-)
*NaţionalTV - 
*PrimaTV - 
So, I wouldn't say that they generally avoid them...  bogdan 09:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV broadcasting 

message: I've tried to point the fact that mostly male manele singers are referred in the paragraph about their dressing style. I've removed the observation about the weight of jewels (it isn't a rule or something & I'm not sure that anyone went to such a person & asked to measure that! :) I've changed the "always" to "usually" when talking about cars. Then in the Public opinion section I've added info about Romanian TV programs for the New Year's Eve (actually, I witnessed them) and about something that I did not witnessed, but heard reports about it. Finally, I've removed the External Links sections, as they contained only Anti-Manele information. I would agree with such links if there were at least 3 other links pro-manele (or related to the article, as this is entitled Manele & not Anti-Manele). --Vlad 23:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying to bring some NPOV 

message: Im a manele listener. Howewer, i dont despise any other music and i dont go vandalising and POV-ising other music genre pages. I just ask that somebody should make the article and put it into the right shape,  showing and presenting this genre whith good things, and bad things, equally. As it is. Macedon
i understand that, but you cannot deny that most manele fans are of poor taste and manners. i`m not saying that i or any fan of any other kind of genre is indeed well mannerd and such, but at least some of us (by us i refer to rockers since i am a rock fan and i know a lot of people just like me) know when to shut up and admit that we are wrong. the most frustrating thing about manelisti is that they never sit down with someone who doesnt like manele and try to explain why they listen to manele, and why they loath rock and such. also, most (about 75% for all i know) of the  manelisti acctually assault rockers if they are out-numbered. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.105.78.222 (talk • contribs) 
: Dear rock fan, please observe: WP:NPA and WP:CIV! Thank you! --Vlad|-> 22:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Putin de bun simt.. 

message: "…the lyrics contain bad grammar (euphemistically speaking)…": The euphemism escapes me: what the heck does this mean? - Jmabel | Talk 05:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Euphemistically" 

message: Added unsourced tag.  Nothing in this article contains references or sources.--Isotope23 15:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tag  

message: This article fails to properly illustrate the poor quality of this music genre (and I'm sure my fellow Romanians who dislike the manele know what I'm talking about). A thing that caught my eye was the comparison with rap music and I regard it highly inappropriate. Romanian rap tries to awake us from the lethargy induced by the communists, while the manelisti (manele singers) only teach us to show off and be cocky.
 
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Just a comment. I agree with the initial statement, as a heavy metal listener and fellow Romanian, but I don't consider that the comparison with rap or hip-hop music is entirely wrong. The main ideas of some Romanian rap or hip-hop lyrics are, indeed, related to a national "awakening", unlike those of manele lyrics. However, the means of transmitting such ideas often, if not always, involve explicit, coarse language, which is in fact the main attraction for the young ones, along with the concept of "fighting the system". Also, when high ideals aren't dealt with, the main themes of hip-hop or rap music are alchohol or drug consumption, illegal activities(such as theft or organized crime--see B.U.G. Mafia or La Familia) or just pointless swearing, again, points of attraction for unguided teenagers and similarities with manele. Furthermore, if we take the lyrics of certain songs of certain American rappers and translate them into Romanian, the result wouldn't be far from a common manea, and let's not forget the 'blings', limos, Cristal Champagne or other apparel and accessories of said rappers. Rappers and hip-hoppers, the succesful ones at least, promote cockiness and showing off as well, albeit in a different color scheme and sound. 
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Actually I think the comparison with hip-hop is unfair. If you think about the lyrics of the most popular Manele and Hip Hop singers, Romanian rap concentrates a lot on bad things (drugs, poverty, criminality), while Manele promotes a more optimistic outlook on life (having fun, making money) - despite the occasional 'my girl isn't treating me rigt' type of song :)
That's all this music is about dude, having fun. And it's very good at that. It's got a great rythm that just makes you wanna dance, have fun and feel alive. The lyrics are not supposed to have any deeper meaning, the singer isn't trying to define no philosophy or teach you anything. Music isn't supposed to tell you what to live for anyway.
82.76.161.38 18:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too gentle 

message: "The issue is the influence of such music and the ideeas and concepts promoted by the genre on it's audience. Many intellectuals compare it with the new-wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts Romanian youth, but unlike the hip-hoppers and rappers who, aldough sometimes vulgar, speak about the hardships in a transitional Romania and urge the public to take action and warn about the dangers of present society and the corruption of statesmen, the manelists are, in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment. To them, bending or breaking the law to gain money or respect is the norm, and the self-sufficient condition to gain the wealth (and cars and the attention of women) that they sing about. In a Romania with few cultural beacons, this type of approach to the poverty and corruption problem has influenced the minds of many young people without the basic education and principles (and also the musical eduaction) to distinguish between what is good and what is bad."
This whole paragraph is too judgmental and should be changed. "...in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment. To them, bending or breaking the law to gain money or respect is the norm..." - that's clearly personal opinion and therefore does not belong here.
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I edited it to this:
"The issue is the influence of such music and the ideeas and concepts promoted by the genre on it's audience. Many intellectuals compare it with the new-wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts Romanian youth, but they consider that unlike the hip-hoppers and rappers who, although sometimes vulgar, speak about the hardships in a transitional Romania and urge the public to take action and warn about the dangers of present society and the corruption of statesmen, the manelists are, in a way, the product of a corrupt transitional environment."
82.76.161.38 16:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But, y'know, it's interesting: people tend to judge lyrics of different types of performers differently. When Dan Helciug sings "Şuţu", no one thinks that he himself is a pickpocket. But when a manelişt says more or less the same, he is presumed to be talking about his own life, or at least his own real values, in that it is assumed that his admiration for such a character is unalloyed. - Jmabel | Talk 03:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove personal opinions 

message: I have added an article with a decent and civil content regarding the tagline Muie Maneliştilor adopted by the manele contesters.Ex Pluribus Unum 09:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've placed my comment preemptively opposing deletion of this article on its discussion page. (Even though I disagree vehemently with the concept of the article.) +ILike2BeAnonymous 18:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article 

message: hi
the first thing i want to write is that manele is NOT a music style -belive me: i have heared enough of them so i am sure about it.
the second is  that they inspire a lack of culture  to young generations and have realy bad taste in chlotes. they sing only about drink women enemies money 
for example one of the most imoprtant manelis Adrian the wonder child said about the akropolis in athen that is a place where the bosses were living and having cool houses. he didn't understant the cultural importance of that place.
             
also for them "For them a person who listens to somethig else then manele is either a satanic/unwashed person(rockers) or just stupid(hip-hopers),"
and try not to understand that we must kill them or something like this just not to lisen and try to understand that manele is NOT a music style .
:Thank you for sharing that with us, dearie. But sorry, no: manele is definitely a style of music. Just one that, apparently, you don't like. So noted. +ILike2BeAnonymous 00:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly , on the same basis, rolling a tin can on some stairs is a kind of music. Just one you do not like. A fart is also music...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.180.224.38 (talk) 12:37, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Read this&mdash;very important 

message: manele is not a music style. i spoke with people that have a clue about music. even our  teachers tell us manele is not a music style because they can't be sing using musical notes or on the thing C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
:If you have any published sources on this subject let us know, but please understand that citing what your teachers say is not enough. For the moment this article doesn't have any references, and this is not okay.  — AdiJapan ☎ 10:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   a reason 

message: Any reason for dropping Calu Minune? - Jmabel | Talk 20:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calu Minune 

message: "Many intellectuals compare it with the new wave of hip-hop/rap music that impacts European and American youth or reggaeton/reggae in South and Central America."
Which intellectuals? A few examples backed by references would be nice, otherwise I suggest removing the sentence.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Exeprime (talk • contribs).
The intellectual part should really be removed but there is a good point there comparing it to hip-hop/reggaeton etc since the lyrics are very similar to reggaeton and to those of some mainstream hiphop artists like 50cent and G-unit (except for the violence part).—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.104.216.79 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 February 2007
Here is your reference http://news.4romania.com/Romania-din-caraibe_71905.html Arina01 (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trick sentence 

message: Why this word, in the narrative voice of the article? It is certainly pejorative. - Jmabel | Talk 22:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Howlers" 

message: Mainly fixing typos and translations, but I must point out to you that 6 out of 10 references lead to the same newspaper's website, and there may be a chance(or risk) that they may be biased, so some other sources would be a lot better.
Oh, and I'll remove that "Pictures of manele players" link too, that's merely an attempt to spam! LarryLaffer 19:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done some cleanup 

message: I've removed some of the external links(especially one that kept demanding I downloaded and installed some obscure "manele browser"), and I've also added a comment asking people to stop advertising their sites here! Don't think it'll work though! LarryLaffer 15:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aaand, more cleanup 

message: This "things" can't even be regarded as music. It's just full of bad taste, stupid lirics that teach people to disregard common sense, disregard honesty, and apreciate money, money and more money.They teach kids that all that maters is money, and nothing else. Lirics are full of hatred and violence. It's an insult to consider this as "romanian music". It's just awful junk. Call it anything u want, but not romanian. It's a disgrace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Choice777 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This Manele page on Wikipedia is totaly useless, and defaimatory to Romania 

message: Why are "Public Opinion" and "Controversy" two separate sections? - Jmabel | Talk 19:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Public Opinion" and "Controversy" 

message: This expresion comes from the habit of some rich guys to throw (literally) money at the singers. It is a show of wealth and some of them say "Fara numar, fara numar!!", to show that they don't count and don't care how much money are. Don't know how this should be included (if at all) in the article.MihaiC (talk) 10:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fara numar!

message: "People belonging to the latter group are generally prejudiced against those pertaining to the former. Manele haters tend to overlook the widely accepted precept that any type of music is merely a question of taste, and that a certain taste in music does not incur a low IQ, lack of education and other such stigmas generally presumed of manele listeners."
I, personally, find this part very offensive. Especially the first sentence. Just because I'm sick and tired of being blasted wherever I go with loud speakers, that play something I don't even consider to be music, but more like awful noise, doesn't mean I'm a racist, an ignorant or that I like insulting people. I don't care who listens to it (as long as it's not me) or who plays it and it's not so much an issue of taste, as it is of public noise concern, since you can't go into a lot of public places, withouth hearing a stereo that has manele on or can't even walk towards somewhere, without a car stopping at a zebra crossing, that has MAXIMUM volume with manele on. A lot of times, it's not even at a crossing, some jack a** parks his or her car near your flat, turns the volume up to max and then opens all the car doors. What are we supposed to do, wear headphones all the time? Excuse my "prejudiced" comment, but I happen to live that kind of an experience, on a daily basis.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crawling (talk • contribs) 15:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Umm... Objective? 

message: I recently came back to this page for the first time in a while, and the lead paragraph did not even mention Romania as one of the places where this music is prevalent. Unless I'm mistaken, it is more prevalent there than anywhere else (something borne out by most of the rest of the article, I might add). I have re-added that. 
The article is woefully lacking in citations. A significant musical genre deserves much more of an article than this. It's not a matter of whether the music is to each of our individual tastes, this is an encyclopedia, not a work of criticism. - Jmabel | Talk 20:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Romania 

message: This article is written very poorly.
The "Subject matter" section is way too long, with too many quotes. And many of those quotes are irrelevant. Also, the "cocalar" part doesn't make any sense. "Public opinion" and "Criticism" are one and the same thing, since criticism comes from the public, and the links to manele radios have nothing to do with the article. You don't see links to rock stations on the Rock music page.CaptainFugu (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poorly written 

message: While doing some research for a WP topic, I happened to find a very interesting and extensive English language reliable source about the topic of this article, which, unlike most Romanian sources, seems to be NPOV (I just scanned through it, so I can't guarantee 100%): Margaret H. Beissinger, "Muzică Orientală": Identity and Popular Culture in Postcommunist Romania. I don't currently have the time to expand/reference this article, so if anyone is interested in improving this article, please e-mail me (using the Wikipedia "E-mail this user" function. you may want to leave a note on my talk page too, for a speedy reply).Anonimu (talk) 22:23, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Please, please someone take this on! (Also, I just want to say: while still not great, the article is so much better than it was a couple of years ago.) - Jmabel | Talk 02:55, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Someone may want to add refs to Adrian Copilul Minune or it could go up in smoke in the latest WikiDrama (unreferenced BLPs deleted on sight). See the WikiProject page for more. Pcap ping 21:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Not done: No request actually made.   Mauler90  talk 00:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source offer 

message: Apparently Denisa, Sorin Copilul de Aur, and Laura Vass are not worthy of wikipedia articles because they haven't won awards or had number 1 hits or gold records. They all have (sometimes pretty stubby) articles in ro.wiki, though. Wouldn't it at least make sense to link to those, for curious readers? Is editing locked on this article for some reason, like floods of malicious edits from manele-haters?(talk) 02:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  singers listed in this article 

message: Wow, what an astonishing amount of bitterness! Happily, I'm not going to say anything about manea, which I've never heard or even heard of till I chanced on this article. However, I do know what I'm talking about here below: 
In § Etymology and usage, we find that
# manea is a noun:
#: … is a form of Turkish folk song …  The word "manea" is the singular form 
#: The plural version, more commonly used, manele …
# And we learn the corresponding adjective:
#:The adjective form of the word is manelist
So far, so good. But then we hit
The Romanian present participle is manelizat that always has a pejorative connotation, giving a sense of "rough".
Let's stop right there. Nouns don't have participles. The very first words of the article linked to (redirected to Participle) are
:A participle is a form of a verb …
And anyway, Romanian verbs have only one participle, the past. 
Verbix VerbFinder says
;Verb: manelizat
:The submitted verb form could not be analyzed as a verb form.
So, you Romanian-speaking Wikipedians: 
# Can you fix that meaningless sentence? What kind of word, grammatically, is manelizat? 
# Failing that, can you supply enough information for a person who knows grammatical theory to fix it? What does manelizat mean? Can you use it in a sentence and translate the sentence into English?
Thnidu (talk) 01:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  present participle? 

message: Several references linking to Jurnalul Național don't work, could someone fix that? In order, they are, in order:
[1] http://jurnalul.ro/articole/30489/cui-ii-e-frica-de-manele
[2] http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/30482/mesterul-manele
[5] http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/30476/inner_article
[6] http://www.jurnalul.ro/articole/30477/fariseism-si-manelism
That's all the links from Jurnalul Național which I knew were faulty, but I haven't checked through all of the references.
TonyPaws (talk) 19:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty links 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The last clause of the last sentence should be corrected for grammar so that it reads "..., each one being a mixture of local folk Greek, Bulgarian and Serbian influences over a pop tune. 67.170.91.126 (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 20:44, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2018 

message: Could someone add the Popular/pop music template here? 47.36.25.163 (talk) 23:55, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: Which template do you refer to specifically? And by "here" do you mean the talk page or the article? I've marked the request as answered procedurally, but will still perform the request if my question is answered and I feel it's within reason. —Sirdog (talk) 00:37, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I refer to Template:pop music, and I want it in the article. 47.36.25.163 (talk) 14:55, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

text:  —Sirdog (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2021 

message: This part of the sentence has to be removed "coupled with widespread racist feelings against Roma ethnics (Țigani/Gypsies),[5]" because the footnote 5 doesn't exist AND dislike of manale has nothing to do with alledged racism, as most people who hate manele actually love traditional gypsey music! This is misleading and an offence to a whole nation, not to mention utterly false ! Also further comparisions to the US racial culture and history are absolutely misplaced ! At the time when the UK was selling slaves across the World, Romania was in fact under Ottoman control ! We were the slaves and taxpayers to Turks ! It is beyond me that this American narative is being constantly pushed onto Romania and other countries that have a fundamentally different history, and thus very different problems, far more complex and layered than merely "black/white". Arraneo (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's from The Guardian, a mainstream UK newspaper. And you are lynching Negroes is an intellectual cop-out. tgeorgescu (talk)  20:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2022 

message: Has trap music being integrated into manele?  TudorTulok (talk) 12:49, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trap music 

message: I'm not sure how to go about this (I don't generally edit articles) so I hope this is the way to request an edit.
There is an article in the Public Opinion section that is quoted as "society's bed-wetter". However, even though the word "pisoarca" does in some cases mean bed-wetter, I think it is pretty clear that this is not one of those cases. As a word derivated from the word 'piss', "pisoarca" also refers to diluted low-quality alcohol, residue liquids, weak streams of a jet (hose, shower, etc) or weak rain (like a drizzle). In the quote, I think the implication is that the musical content is weak and disgusting. I don't think there are any English equivalents, but the sentiment is similar to words like 'sludge', 'slush', 'mush', 'sewer sludge'. Sternaparadisaea16 (talk) 16:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request: mistranslation