Talk:Walhalla (memorial)

message: I think some quotes of Ludwig I. should be mentioned in the article, f. e. this one: "Möchte Walhalla förderlich sein der Erstarkung und der Vermehrung deutschen Sinnes! Möchten alle Deutschen, welchen Stammes sie auch seien, immer fühlen, dass sie gemeinsames Vaterland haben. Und jeder trage bei, soviel er vermag, zu dessen Verherrlichung!" This shows Ludwig's patriotic way of thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.145.168.41 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 3 June 2007
: I've taken a picture of that "Worte König Ludwig I." quote on a piece of marble outside the Walhalla. Translation by Helen Stellner and David Hiley in the Official guide (2002, p. 9): "May Walhalla prove conducive to the strengthening of the German mind! May all Germans, of all descent, always feel that they have a common Fatherland, a Fatherland to be proud of, and may all Germans contribute as much as he or she can to its glorification!" -- Matthead  Discuß   23:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quotes 

message: how come Brahms hasn't been commemorated with a bust, only with a plaque?
there are plenty of his portraits lying around in archives to carve a bust from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.142.96.14 (talk • contribs) 17:33, 15 June 2006
: Yes, I had noticed that too, and had changed the text without further inquiry, guessing they had no money or time. Turns out it was simply an error, Brahms was introduced in 2000 with a bust, of course. --Matthead 21:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Brahms mystery 

message: What about post-Norman conquest English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor Hesselius (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 December 2006 (edit)
: Cœur de Lion and similar persons spoke hardly German(ic) anymore.-- Matthead  Discuß   23:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  English 

message: The article is silent on whether any additions made during the 12 years of Nazi rule were removed after 1945. I can't imagine Hitler or his cronies being left out of such a prestigious gallery. --Iacobus 23:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions during Third Reich 

message: Walhalla temple →  – The Walhalla is simply not a temple, it's a memorial. Teppese (talk) 23:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: . No objections after 7 days. Station1 (talk) 06:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Mentioned at #64 as well as at #127. German article has Schelling at #64. Corrected accordingly. --BjKa (talk) 12:38, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Well it seems I can't correct this, because the list is chronologic... Maybe M.T. really was at #64 at some time. Since the list obviously does not reflect the current state of placements, the duplicate at #127 might be removed from it. Anyways I've added Schelling at the place for an 1860 addition. --BjKa (talk) 12:57, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maria Theresia 

message: Someone added "German" to Copernicus's listing here, so might as well start a talk page before any kind of edit war.
The matter of Copernicus's nationality is clearly a sticky wicket, but also one already discussed at length in the relevant Talk page(s). A matter particular to Walhalla, however, is that this place's authorities at the time clearly thought Copernicus was German—otherwise, why put him there?
This leads easily into my second point. If everyone in the Walhalla memorial is (or perhaps presumed to be) German, why is the format for most of the entries in the list "German/Dutch/Swiss (occupation)"? Isn't this a bit repetitive in this case?
With this, I propose rewording every entry so the individual's achievement is emphasized: for example, number 37, Johannes von Reuchlin, would go from "German philosopher and humanist" to "advocate for the study of Hebrew and Greek"; and number 52, Nicolaus Copernicus, would get "creator of the first non-speculative heliocentric model". In the few cases where this is inappropriate, they should just follow the example of number 40 (Albrecht Dürer) and avoid mentioning nationality because, to reiterate, Walhalla's original concept has already assumed this for us. Yo.dazo (talk) 14:06, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  On Copernicus's nationality in particular, and the List of people section in general