Talk:Hyphy

message: if anyone wants to expand this, you have my permission to use anything from my website at http://hyphie.blogspot.com for ideas and information on the creation and definition of hyphy music. check the older posts, thats when i really wrote about how hyphy's distinct sound formed out of bay area gangsta rap. if nobody steps up, i'll have a shot at editing this. Justinhoude 04:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand 

message: i think that the artist list should be at the end, since it is a list. I'll move it within a few days unless anyone disagrees.Reggaedelgado 04:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So I actually visited this page, saw the artists at the front, and thought I'd mention that they should be at the end. Then I saw I left the same comment a month ago. I guess I am going way too dumb. I made the edits. I still think that the article needs some help. ANy ideas???Reggaedelgado 09:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  artists 

message: is sactown really in the "Valley?" i always thought the valley was livermore pleasanton area but whatever.
Yes, Sacramento is in the Central Valley. Livermore, Dublin, and Pleasanton are in smaller, seperate valley called the Livermore Valley. It is not part of the Central Valley but is divided from it by the range of low mountains/hills that Altamont Pass cuts through. Pick up a map sometime, genius.
yes genius, maybe you should learn how to sign your comments, anyways. sacramento isnt really part of the bay area and livermore pleasanton dublin are part of tri valley, which is what we real bay area people call the valley. this is how you sign your comment genius 128.54.160.176 23:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey guys, let's try to be civil.  Do sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~)... hyphy definitely extends to Sac. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Yea, Federation went to high school in Sac, and they did the song hyphy Carlos 15:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  sac town

message: Any indication of what needed clean-up? -- Joseph Lorenzo Hall 17:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the article. I just checked the cleanup list and no one ever added Hyphy to the list. If no one comes forward to explain why this article needs to be cleaned up, I 'm going to delete the notification off of the article. -- βig¶ 06:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup? 

message: WHO the hell put alameda?  alameda is so not ghetto. -- User:Darkestknight
:Doesn't have to be ghetto to be hyphy, no? Get rid of it if you want. -- Joebeone (Talk) 19:25, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nump is hella hyphy.  This issue is settled in my book. -- Joebeone (Talk) 22:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: alameda

message: This article sees a lot of anonymous edits with varying quality of contributions.  I'm starting to revert stuff that I'm not sure is correct.  If I revert something of yours and you feel strongly about it, say so here or on my talk page and we'll try to work it in. I don't want to give off the feeling that I own this page, but I'd like to keep it from rotting. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:14, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping Quality of this Article High

message: The Cities/Locations section has been getting slowly larger and then parred down in waves.  I'm going to ask contributors that want to add/subtract from the current list to say why and provide source material. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:54, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i agree, it should just be simple. capital of hyphy is in Oakland, with Richmond and Vallejo making significant contributions as well. it doesnt need to be expanded past that. i had previously put alameda on there because the list was extremely long. i figured if places like Pittsburg (who, as far as I know has no well-known hyphy artist) could be on the list then Alameda ,where a known hyphy artist like NUMP is from could be on the list. i dont see a need for specific places outside of Oakland, Richmond, Vallejo and possibly SF. Skhatri2005 01:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That sounds very reasonable... plus, the last part of that sentence makes it clear that it's a wide movement.  You want to make the change? Then we can keep it stable unless someone comes up with a sourced rational for listing more. best, -- Joebeone (Talk) 02:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I made this change .  To others: if you feel that there needs to be additions, subtractions, show us the data. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:05, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you guys should add Modesto and Hughson as hyphy cities or towns. I live in this area and its suppa hyphy! YADADAMEAN?! Ppygto 20:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cities/Locations

message: Perhaps the 'hyphiest' line of all was neglected - you smell me?
E-40 said this phrase every other sentence when he was on 106 & Park.
It's the equivalent of 'ya hear me?'
:Yeah, it's similar to "ya feel me?" Have you ever heard any other hyphy artist use this phrase?  If so, we might as well add it to the list.  Soon that list might need it's own page like the artists list. -- Joebeone (Talk) 20:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 40's been saying that one for a while, though, since before the whole Hyphy thing. He mentions it on "hope I don't go back to slanging yayo" which is from 1998. I think that the phrase doesn't belong on the page, but it maight fit on a page of just hyphy slang...Reggaedelgado 23:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally. -- Joebeone (Talk) 01:29, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Prenouncing it is basically : "Ya shmell meh?" said as its sound. -j.c. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josh da akboi (talk • contribs) 04:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  You smell me? 

message: "It went from: yadidimean, ta yadidimsayin, ta yadidimtalkinbout? (I know what u talkin bout!)" - Keak Da Sneak
Why'd somebody get rid of yadidisayin?? -- Carlos 23:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question, and not likely to get a response from the editor. Maybe too many words there took away from the very important phrase in their opinion. Just a guess. Although yadadamean is my personal favorite (along with yadada¿tu sabes?). In fact, you and I (assuming no one else on wikipedia besides joebeone cares) should decide on a spelling for it. I like it with A's, you seem to like it with I's. Either way, I don't care too much. But it does refer to the rolling of the Rs (which is very important, I think, and negates the need to spell it as either I's or A's). And another thing... some people on this thing are linguists and know how to REALLY spell things phonetically... that might be the best way to do it. I believe it's called IPA format or something. I'll look into it, and maybe try to figure it out. No promises on speed... although it IS almost summer! YadadadadadaYEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Reggaedelgado 05:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Haha, true true, I think I just spell it with i's because that's how they do on Treal T.V. But either way is fine with me, and the rolling of the r's is the most important part -- Carlos 14:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Carlos, if the quote at the beginning of this section is from Keak speaking in a magazine, etc. we should add it to the page and add back yadidisayin/yadadasayin/yadadisayin. The slang section here is hard to "maintain" as anons come by and throw any old thing in there (and while I'd like to think I'm reasonably familiar with hyphy, I don't know it all and e-40 et al. probably coin a phrase per day). -- Joebeone (Talk) 20:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's "Know What I'm Talkin Bout" from the dvd copium / the cd Counting Other People's Money . . . don't know if there's online lyrics for it tho -- Carlos 16:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Keak spells it "Yararamean" on his official website. Recently, FAB's been saying "Yararabooboo," in songs like "New Oakland" and Grown Man On (remix)." MunkieBear 03:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yadidimean? 

message: I just saw that a new editor has decided to put an "examples of hyphy music" in the section.  Do we think that's necessary?  I could see it going either way but wanted to spark a little discussion before doing anything. -- Joebeone (Talk) 01:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i dont see it as really necessary to do so. we have the main artists here, and massive list of artists on the list page, so if someone really needed an intro to hyphy, they could just google E40 or keak or whatever Skhatri2005 05:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, I would just refer them to the hyphy artist list -- Carlos 16:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  examples 

message: Ive been listening to some old bay area songs, and 'hyphy' is clearly stated in I Got Five On It, which came out in 1995, and arguably in 2 Hard 4 The Fuckin Radio. At least, it  sounds  like they say hyphy, which would necessitate some changes on the article. Anyone have any opinions? I'm not going to change the article, I'm just wondering what people's opinions are here (joebeone, carlos, I'm talkin to you) Skhatri2005 15:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hyphy" 

message: We all know that keak likes to tell folks that "that's his word." He is also clearly seen claiming credit for originating "Hyphy" in MTV My Block the Bay Area. Does anyone else know of an independent source that gives him credt for this? I find it more likely that the true originator is just some G in East Oakland and not any major rapper. Remember this is Wikipedia, let's try to have this verified.
Achoo5000 04:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had talked about this above, so ill just direct you to reading what i put up there. How can he claim he was using it originally in the 3x Crazy song when it was used by mac dre in (i think) 1993 and by the luniz in 1995/96. i dont know how to verify it outside of interviewing every single person alive in the 80s throughout the bay. and that would be original research. Skhatri2005 04:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  of course if it can't be verified then the claim should be removed. Achoo5000 04:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coined by Keak? 

message: Are these two terms really hyphy slang?  I've heard of all the rest in popular Bay Area songs, maybe I need to listen to more.
:I havent heard frenchin out, but 'dummy gone' is in the hyphy juice song by clyde carson of the team Skhatri2005 19:52, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Refresh my memory please, whats frenchin out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Josh da akboi (talk • contribs) 04:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frenchin' Out and Dummy Gone? 

message: I have quite a few things to contribute to this entry, but I would like to discuss before I do (and also because it's my first time here at Wiki, I want to understand how WikiPedia works before I make my first edit. Didn't even know about the four tilde's thing until just two minutes ago). Many hyphy terms have etymological backgrounds, so they don't just appear out of nowhere. And being born, raised and still living in Oakland, and attending Bret Harte Junior High (now Middle School) while Keak Da Sneak was there, I could confidently say I was around to see these slang words form without any written documentation. Besides, it's not like a bunch of ninth grade kids would say, "Hey, let's go write this on the internet!" upon making up new Hyphy words, and adults would just tune out what they hear and put it off as nonsense anyway. There's no point in searching for watered-down news articles, the only way to understand Hyphy is to live it. It's fluid and constantly changing, it's not something you can just do a news report on like it's Oakland's 105th Homicide as of 9/27/06. Here are a few examples of the contributions I have, and I hope they are at least acceptable:
:(Unfortunately, the organization and policies of Wikipedia aren't designed to capture popular culture very well.  They require reliable sourcing which is usually some sort of newspaper, book, etc.  I, for one, wish we could incorporate more of popular culture that may not be documented, but that's just not how Wikipedia works. -- Joebeone (Talk) 16:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it is unfortunate that anything that goes on WikiPedia would require citing. And it leads people who read this WikiPedia entry to believe what news reports think, over what the people who indeed Go Stupid know, but have no access to media outlets. I could tell you the proper way to Thizz and make sure it lasts long, but I would be put off as an unreliable source because I don't work for USA Today. Maybe I should write a book on Hyphy, just like how Berkeley High School wrote an Urban Slang Dictionary that doesn't even have Ghostride the Whip. Then the stuff I wrote below can finally go onto the WikiPedia entry. But how ridiculous, a kid from urban, inner-city Deep East Oakland writing a book. I'm surprised I could spell. ^.^ 71.135.105.95 00:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang origins and additional terms 

message: Should we, like is done with the lists of artists, move most of the slang to a new page?  We could keep some core terms here. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, I dont think that would be a good idea. all the crazy wiki people will keep saying "WIKIPEDIA IS NOT A SLANG DICTIONARY," which is true. anyways, I suggest that we just truncate what is on the page now, and then provide a link to a news article or urbandictionary which has a comprehensive list. Skhatri2005 18:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem with websites like urbandictionary is that there are a lot of misleading entries, either by hip-hop fanatics who cannot discuss in a civilized manner who say "da yellow bus iz 4 retarded kids," or by intolerant elitists who use terms like "black fag language" and "nigger music" in their definitions. Although Wikipedia isn't a slang dictionary, the list of slang is crucial to understanding hyphy, but not as much as actually doing hyphy things yourself. News articles are not as trustworthy either, because they are written by people who do not know where Ghosttown is, and will never step foot in Deep East Oakland. So they just summarize what they hear on the radio and MTV. The best thing to do is to keep the slang on the page, to signify that they are unique to the Bay Area, and add where these terms come from. 71.135.105.95 23:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is interesting.  I do feel intrinsically that we can make a case that Hyphy slang is a big part of Hyphy itself.  A discussion of Hyphy slang is important to this article.  However, if it is merged with Hip-hop slang, that connection and importance would be lost.  I vote we figure out some core terms of Hyphy slang, agree not to merge the slang section of this article (delete the merge suggestion) to a new article and then keep the slang list compact. Thoughts? -- Joebeone (Talk) 21:35, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea I think a shorter list would probably be better. Just a core list. But then again- who decides what is 'core' and what is not? Skhatri2005 21:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

text:  We will have to decide on a case-by-case basis.  If someone can justify something as being core, it's in, right?  We may have to redefine "core" at some point if the list gets too long. -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move Slang to separate page? 

message: Has anybody ever heard of him? The myspace profile has 20k views and I have never heard of him.
Also, I wouldn't consider Trax a hyphy artist, he's a producer.
Nump has had about 1 well-known song (Grapes).
And Hoodstarz is good, except that a page doesn't exist for them (and it's out of alphabetical order), making it look out of place. Any thoughts, comments, insight? :P Graphitesmoothie 03:02, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NUMP has at least 4 well-known songs... Slizzerd, Grapes, Krankin 3030 and Stunna Shadez. -- Joebeone (Talk) 03:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starski/Hyphy artists list 

message: good call on the semiprotection. finally someone did it. Skhatri2005 22:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection 

message: taking up room on the floor, etc. there was an article about this specifically on the tracy press i think it was front page.
the new bay area dancing phanomeno turfn is whats is up in the bay and is just like pop locking with a different...truely it is doin the mike jackson with better flavor yaddiddig
turfing is a dance style originating in the bay area together with the hyphy movement. turfing, as well as the turf drop existed way b4 the song by e40. It is very similar to gigging although i never see mac dre gliding all over the place so i would argue turfing has developed from gigging. Gigging and turfing are heavily influenced by pop lockin. theres hella groups that rep the bay that turf such as supasickwidit, turftoones, turf jerkz, turf knocks. hella people that identify with the hyphy movement turf and turf functions go down all over the bay. many songs have specific references to turfing and there are a number of songs specifically about turfing/gigging. ill go into this deeper later --Eurobeatz021 (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turfing 

message: There is no controversy or drawbacks to this subset of rap, even when the genre itself has one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aussie Evil (talk • contribs) 15:25, 28 November 2006
:I don't see much in the way of POV. -- Joebeone (Talk) 19:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: That's starting to look like an exhaustive list. Graphitesmoothie 19:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang cleanup 

message: I've just requested (and received) semi-protection status for this page.  If you feel that this was rash, please discuss this here.  I thought it was warranted as a lot of anon. editors were making trivial and consistent edits that were counter to policy articluated on this talk page (slang should be discuseed before expanding, the areas section is stable, etc.). -- Joebeone (Talk) 00:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call joebeone Skhatri2005 18:53, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protect 

message: First off, you sound amazingly racist. "Black people will come to you"? stfu man. "yee yee!" is more of an expression. for ex. "Man check that dude out! he ridin da yellow bus!" (the other man responds) "Yee Yee!!"
What your looking for is the bird call. While in a crew or clan of friends, you usually make the sound of a bird, or just a bird call, and your "homies" will come twords you. 
Ive seen people acutally say some sort of name... or motto. For ex. "Panthers!" directly after that, i saw a large group of people crowd around his car. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.13.120.222 (talk) 03:57, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well if you can find sources for this stuff (in reliable, etc. media outlets), we'll add it. -- Joebeone (Talk) 21:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bird Call 

message: Seems to me the description provided of 'hyphy' dancing resembles that you'd find at the raves of the mid 90's (I have no idea if there are any raves at all in CA now). Additionally, I browsed through the music (KDS, etc) and it seems to bear a superficial resemblance to house. If you consider it's substantially slower and obviously has hiphop themes in it, many of the melodies and syncopation are similar to electronic music (more on the house/club side of things than, say, trance). I wonder if it would be relevant to have a link to the raving culture in the article? I moved out of CA in 99, so I'm not exactly connected to the scene there anymore. ... aa:talk 00:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Relevant or no, it doesn't matter because you need to cite sources that are reliable and verifiable in order to make that kind of connection.  This avoids violating the policy on original research. --Rtrev 05:45, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: the closest thing that raves and hyphy have in common is ecstasy, thizz as it is called within hyphy. Skhatri2005 15:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  question re: relevance to electronic music scene in california 

message: Sacramento should definately be added considering they are much more known to be "hyphy" than Richmond! Who the hell is Richmond. Adding Sacramento! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fr3nZi3 (talk --Fr3nZi3 03:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: negative on that ghostrider, while Sacramento has many artists hail from there, it is a general assumption amongst many of the hyphy heads and people who have been following this trend that the farther a city is from the bay water, the less hyphy is it. obviously, if you have to drive an hour and a half to get to  macramento from the town, its pretty far from the movement. and i'm not even going to address the richmond comment, if you don't know about Richmond you dont know about hyphy. Skhatri2005 06:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't mean to harsh your vibe or anything though... Skhatri2005 06:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Sacramento is on 'the bay water', it's a shipping port. 67.49.8.228 (talk) 21:07, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm.... No it's not. It's definitely very inland. - Bagel7T's 08:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The city is located at the confluence of the Sacramento River and the American River, and has a deepwater port connected to the San Francisco Bay by a channel through the Sacramento River Delta. so technically yeh but that doesnt hella matter hyphy isnt defined by the san francisco bay water --Eurobeatz021 (talk) 23:21, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Adding Sacramento

message: Hi, since this is protected, can someone please fix this sentence?  "Hyphy is distinguished by gritty, pounding rhythms, and in this sense can be associated with the Bay Area as crunk music is in the South."
Instead of "in the South" it should say "with the South."  As it is now, it appears to be saying that in the South, crunk music is associated with the Bay Area, and I'm sure that is not what was meant.
I'm not sure that "in this sense" is quite right either.  Is there some other sense in which hyphy canNOT be associated with the Bay Area?   Anyway, in order to say for sure I'd need to know more than I do about the substance.  If I understand what the sentence means, I would rewrite it like this:  "Hyphy is distinguised by gritty, pounding rhythms, and is associated with the Bay Area as crunk music is with the South."
-- The grammar geek at 66.45.137.204 02:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: the word hyphy came from keak da sneaks mom calling him hyphy when he was young because he was so hypher - Bagel7What ya say, what ya say, what ya say, what??? 06:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As is the case with a lot of emerging trends, there's not a lot of reliable and reputable sources for the origin of the word 'hyphy'.  Right now, the best we have is cited in the article.  If you find better, let us know. -- Joebeone (Talk) 21:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To Mahmud: No, it does not just mean "to get loose." To Joebeone: Obviously, no one has clearly documented where the word came from, but we are just using one man's (Keak da Sneak) claim of where he made up the word hyphy from. I think it would be worth it to also mention at least that it could also be from "hyper" and "fly." - Bagel7What ya say, what ya say, what ya say, what??? 08:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of the Word "Hyphy"

message: The SF Chronicle had a Datebook article on hyphy. There was some information there that seems like it might fit in this article. Please take a look at http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/06/12/DDG73QC5JK1.DTL. Also, this article mentioned the Super Hyphy 17 concert in Petaluma -- includes a list of performers.
:Hey, if you think it fits, go ahead and put it in per WP:Bold. - Bagel7T's,C's,A's 05:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chronicle Article on 6/12/07 

message: Should they be listed? They've stated themselves to Music Choice On Demand that they are not hyphy. Young L from The Pack stated "You may see people getting hyphy to our songs but the song itself is not hyphy".
:They've started to call their music "Based".  I don't have any reliable sourcing for that now, other than Team Knoc (a closely related artist) has a song called "Do you like based?" and an album "Based on a true story". So, I think they're trying to be "called" something other than Hyphy. Joebeone (Talk) 00:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Pack 

message: This is one of the worst articles I've ever read on Wikipedia.  It is full of ambiguities, incorrect facts and figure, and worst of all, it doesn't really explain its topic. I'm going to nominate this AFD if someone doesn't fix it.
Hrhadam (talk) 00:56, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, this article has been in significant flux.  If you check, you'll see that it's been written long and then recently shortened dramatically.  It's well sourced, so I'm not sure an AFD is appropriate.  If you have specific recommendations for improving the article (while keeping it's svelt size, which I kind of like), let us know. Joebeone (Talk) 12:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: AFD

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message: my boy tz from the bay keeps claiming to be the OG of the term “hyphy” 2601:646:203:2C0:7453:8FA:140C:29D8 (talk) 04:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin correction 

message: Saweetie's "My Type" is one of the most succesful hyphy crossover songs and should be mentioned here. Pkoivula (talk) 06:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saweetie