Talk:Jimmy Edgar

message: Hi czar - I noticed a few times you've changed the infobox picture to this live one here: File:Jimmy Edgar at Bang Face Weekender 2010 (4579409589) (2).jpg. Totally cool, I get attached to photos too, but I was hoping to find a better one for actually seeing his features, at least for the infobox. A photographer finally got back to me, with, ironically another picture with sunglasses, but it is more recent at least. I wanted to see if you'd agree with a switch to this one, or if I'm missing a criteria you're aiming for (live versus professional, maybe?). Earflaps (talk) 19:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all attached to any photo in particular. There are just a ton of vanity shots, which are fine for press releases but not for an encyclopedia. With the infobox, the idea is being able to see their face in some detail, not a silhouetted press shot. Live or posed doesn't matter. Other press shots are fine further down in the article as long as they relate to the content, but the infobox is primarily for identifying the subject. This said, I think the current infobox image does the best job of this from the images available. czar ⨹ 22:16, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure - I contacted the same photographer, and just got a version released that's both recent and where you can see his face; I understand you may prefer live photos over press photos, but in this case, I'm going to wp:be bold and go with the one where we can see his features. I wasn't sure if you wanted the other photo placed elsewhere on the page, maybe put in the infobx on the discography page, so I'll leave that up to your judgement. Earflaps (talk) 23:31, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You can see half his face in the new shot. I don't care whether it's a press shot or a shot in his hotel room (wasn't live)—this is an encyclopedia and the image is supposed to be a portrait, not a vanity shot. I don't see how you can possibly argue that his "features" are more visible in this new shot. czar ⨹ 23:45, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

text: ? Well you can see his eyes for one. I can respect stubborn-ness, being stubborn myself, but could you perhaps direct to me to the guideline about infobox photos not being press photos? Earflaps (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  You mean eye, in the singular. Again, it doesn't matter that it's a press shot. I've used tons of free-licensed press shots. What matters is that you can see his face, even if he's wearing sunglasses. Glamor shots that obscure the face are not intended as encyclopedic portraits. Here's a closer crop, if you prefer: :File:Jimmy Edgar at Bang Face Weekender 2010 (crop).jpg czar ⨹ 23:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a bit confused, because the Beyonce page infobox has what could be termed a 'vanity' photo. I'll wait a few days for your response, but then I plan on reverting the photo to the one above (i.e. reverting your recent edit). I dislike edit wars, so if you could let me know if you plan on reverting my revert beforehand (preferably with an argument other than shadowing on the photo), then I can avoid conflict by finding a neutral third party to decide for us, or some other neutral method of consensus building if you prefer. Earflaps (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Question: I can still contact the same photographer, would it perhaps solve a conflict if I see if there are any unshadowed pics from that photo session? Earflaps (talk) 00:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Right, an image with his face unobscured would be fine if you don't like the sunglasses on this one. (By the way, when an edit sticks for a period of time, it is said to have edit consensus to stay, as in the burden is on the new editor to show consensus has changed.) czar ⨹ 00:42, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I checked the edit logs, and since you're the only person batting for that interview photo (and you reverted several other people's attempts to change it), I don't think EditConsensus applies here, just you pushing a strong opinion. I'll get in touch with the photographer. Earflaps (talk) 06:16, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, forget it, I don't have the patience to deal with photoguy+OTRS a third time. A vote sounds simpler. Earflaps (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  pic 

message: OPTION A
OPTION B
OPTION C
(different photo - note most are outdated)
*  Ig general I would go with either an iconic image or a recent photograph that portrayed the artist for an infobox. The other can be used in chronological context within the article. Given the option A or B, I would choose B. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:21, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox options

message: *Comment - Like AFD, number of votes matter, but the goal is consensus building, not a simple tally. Thank you ahead of time for your input. 10:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Votes/comments

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