Talk:Chernobyl exclusion zone

message: It would be a big overhaul, but this article is filled with subtle historical inaccuracies, plus a lot of redundancies and discrepancies with the other Chernobyl articles. Anyone want to help me take on a massive edit? Mfrphoto (talk) 19:40, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The guy was right: redirects are needed indeed. I found out that Chernobyl accident has neither links here nor mentions of (!?). Chornobyl zone is also OK. Ukrained 19:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shame on us, AlexPU :). I followed your typo like a fool and created erroneous redirect! Ukrained 19:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And let's capitalize some redirect names. Ukrained 19:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Okay why is this even an external link if it's being called a hoax? Talk about being hypocritical, we're giving free advertising to someone who rigged the whole thing apparently just to get some attention. If it is to stay then it has to be discussed because it actually managed to get peoples attention back onto what happened.
Either it should be discussed or deleted, not just left as a festering link to a hoax.
83.100.152.98 00:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "A motorcycle trip inside the zone (later confirmed as a hoax)" 

message: From the 'Status' section: Numerous short-term tours and research expeditions into the zone are organized for Ukrainian and foreign citizens (mostly scientists, politicians, and the occasional computer game development team for RPG development).
That last one sounds dubious. Pendragon39 16:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It sounds like a bit of a joke. Maybe it happened once and one of the people in question added it here. Personally I don't think there's any point in saying "Ukrainian and foreign citizens" either (there aren't many places closed specifically to foreigners in Ukraine any more) and there's not a heck of a lot of point in listing the other professions either. I don't even think it's true to say "mostly..."; anyone (e.g. tourists) can, I'm told, book a tour from Kiev for between $100 and $200, and if you just drive to the zone, as I have, it's possible to avoid the checkpoints on the main roads by "getting lost" on tracks in the forest. – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 16:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, you've been there - please modify the sentence to make it more accurate :) Pendragon39 17:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah! I was just being chicken and hiding out on the talk page because for some odd reason these Chernobyl-related articles seem to get ever-so controversial! But you're right, I should make a change, hang on... ;) – Kieran T (talk | contribs) 17:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks good :) Pendragon39 00:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RPG's? 

message: "Stalker is a 1979 film directed by Andrei Tarkovsky, based on a 1972 novel by Boris and Arkady Strugatsky entitled Roadside Picnic. Both describe a mysterious and forbidden "zone", depopulated of human life by an unexplained disaster, and Tarkovsky's film in particular has come to symbolize the exclusion zone in the minds of many commentators."
The film Stalker, as well as the novel, are more based off of the Mayak incident, and the film was actually made seven years before the Chernobyl incident.--127.0.0.1 01:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relevance of Stalker film to Chernobyl incident? 

message: I heared that there is a large radiation-protected facility under the radar building still functioning. It includes food, clean air and energy reserves. It it true?--212.1.251.138 22:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The bunker 

message: The history section is too sentimental for Wikipedia. Can someone change? (SirGrotius 19:22, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Now it's been a few years since I took a course in geography, but 30Km is a pretty range. does anyone know where Chernobyl is in Ukraine? Maybe it would be helpful to the more map-minded if they knew where it was. Sixer Fixer (talk) 01:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map? 

message: I've commented out the coordinates (for now).  Can someone explain why we have coordinates for this article? (especially displayed in the title).  Are the coordinates in the centre of the zone?  Please don't bite me if I haven't understood. --smadge1 (talk) 10:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates? 

message: Added to the Cultural precedents and references section, someone forgot that Call of Duty 4 has a level set in Prypiat. Dragonshardz (talk) 18:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  CoD4: MW 

message: Despite police control, intruders often infiltrate the perimeter and remove polluted materials, from electronics to toilet seats, especially in Pripyat
Even if there is really such a big market these days for pre-1986 Soviet-manufactured electronic goods would it be common to actually find such items in working order having been stored unused in less than ideal conditions for over two decades ? 86.112.254.163 (talk) 11:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: They are looking for precious metals I think, such as gold, silver, platinum, rather than for working electronics.--Dojarca (talk) 11:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Looting 

message: Ladies and gentlemen, the "Cultural precedents and references" has become a spamdrive for a growing number of people. I suggest to clean it up from everything except Strugatsky novel and Tarkovsky film (which still need citations), and I`m going to be bold and do it myself in a week. Ukrained (talk) 20:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The spamsection

message: I see a number of minor factual errors in this article. (I spent the past year working in the Chernobyl zone). However, I am new to editing Wikipedia entries so please look and see if I followed conventions correctly. Thanks. Mfrphoto (talk) 21:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: The phrase "Chornobyl's'ka zona оr Четверта зона, Chetverta zona) is the 30 km/19 mi exclusion zone around the site" is misleading. Dimensions (radius) of the most contaminated closed zone exceed(ed) 30 km by far in almost every direction. The name "The 30 Kilometer Zone" in Russian was just a lie, characteristic to Soviet authorities. 193.40.133.134 (talk) 12:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Zone dimensions

message: Has anyone started the move to the Zone of alienation? If not, I can C.C.Peterson (talk) 15:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Chernobyl Stalking

message: Currently, this article gives a map of the Zone of Alienation.
Can someone explain the characteristics of the different zones? Thanks, --Abdull (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useless map? 

message: This article has a lot of uncited statements. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Referencing 

message: The article name seems long and formal (currently "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant Exclusion Zone"). In English, it is often just called the "Chernobyl exclusion zone". Perhaps I'm wrong, and we need to say "Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant" in full, and "Exclusion Zone" needs to be capitalized as a proper noun. I'd like to see what others thought about simplifying the article name. Green Cardamom (talk) 19:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody messed up the article naming, which is, officially and clearly, the "Zone of alienation" in Ukrainian. We need it back. 93.75.164.119 (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't use "official" names always. We use the name that is most common and best understood in the English language world. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:41, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

text: If you mean the Google by "English-language world") than they are almost equal in usage:
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* 93.75.164.119 (talk) 12:20, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No, don't mean by Google, at least not those searches or results. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article re-name 

message: "it initially existed as an area of 30 kilometer radius ... it now covers a much larger area ... The Exclusion Zone covers an area of approximately 2,600 km2"  
That doesn't seem to make sense. The area of a circle with radius 30 km exceeds 2600 sq km. Should this be rephrased or corrected?
 
Martin Rattigan (talk) 14:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area 

message: Not sure how to file an actual report for it, and I don't have time to figure it out (last minute research paper night). Link #8 ("Zoning of radioactively contaminated territory of Ukraine according to actual regulations") goes to an error page. Either a replacement link is needed or it must be removed. Mazt (talk) 01:04, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link 

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message: In 1986, Wormwood poisoned the Earth that also made one-third of the Earths fresh waters bitter.
But, that was over 30 years ago.
Radioactive Iodine-131 has a half-life of eight days so is almost gone in six months and zilch before a year is up.
Radioactive Caesium-137 ( a.k.a. Cesium-137 ) has a half-life of 30 years so should be half of the original poisoning by today.
Fresh water flowing into the oceans should have reduced bitter water to almost nothing.
If the exclusions zones are based on radioactivity, then they should have shrunk.
Did the zones shrink or were the limits lowered?
Confiscated/Closed Zone was:
Greater than 40 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137
should now be:
Greater than 20 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137?
Permanent Control Zone was:
15 to 40 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137
should now be:
7.5 to 20 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137?
Periodic Control Zone was:
5 to 15 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137
should now be:
2.5 to 7.5 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137?
Unnamed Zone was:
1 to 15 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137
should now be:
0.5 to 7.5 curies per square kilometer of Caesium-137?
We have the same issue coming up in another 30 years.
Other weird questions:
Are the remaining people living in the exclusion being supplied with Prussian Blue to flush Caesium-137 quickly or doesn't the government care?
Did the government supply non-radioactive Iodine before the Iodine-131 was gone in six months to a year?
Why wasn't Strontium-90 ( also a thirty year half-life ) mentioned and are people told to not drink the milk for a few hundred years?
Somitcw (talk) 16:10, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: "Wormwood"? You mean, that doesn't-exist killer star/asteroid/wachamacallit? Please keep that stuff off here.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.111.8.107 (talk) 20:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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message: We have recently sought to have an article placed in the namespace about a company which conducts guided tours of the Chernobyl site and it has been suggested by the reviewer that it be merged with this article instead. The company is CHERNOBYLwel.come and the draft article is Draft:CHERNOBYLwel.come. Your opinions would be welcome. Gibmul (talk) 15:13, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added the section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Exclusion_Zone#Chernobyl_tourism as recommended by the reviewer User:AngusWOOF Your comments are welcome.Gibmul (talk) 14:00, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to add Chernobyl Tourism section

message: Do we have any good sources about the forest fires in the exclusion zone right now? Here's a video from the ISRN = Institut de radioprotection et de sûreté nucléaire showing how the smoke from the fire has swept across a fair bit of Europe. Boud (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  April 2020 forest fire 

message: The article uses "Chernobyl" and "Chornobyl" in different places. While both are valid, although I'd suggest perhaps "Chernobyl" is more widely known and used, shouldn't one be picked to be consistent throughout the content?
I can see some cited sources use Chornobyl in the cite URL or title, which should possibly be left alone.
Jamesmacwhite (talk)  — Preceding undated comment added 20:52, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wondered about this. A check with Google confirms that "Chernobyl" is overwhelmingly the preferred spelling, at least for English speakers. I agree it should be left as "Chornobyl" if spelled that way in outside sources, but if there's no objection to me changing the other instances, I'll do so. Tisnec (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

text: It should be "Chernobyl" as that is the name of the article because it is without question the common name. It is inconsistent because there are always driveby editors who ignore policy and try to change this. Mellk (talk) 23:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chernobyl or Chornobyl 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move; while the number of editors supporting and opposing the move was roughly equal consensus is not based on counting votes but on strength of argument. When considered in this light, those supporting the move had the strongest argument, based on the evidence they presented in the form of ngrams. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 13:15, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Chernobyl Exclusion Zone →  – Per WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS, apply sentence case unless capped in a substantial majority of sources. This is not. See ngram Cinderella157 (talk) 00:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

text: If you believe it was closed incorrectly then WP:MRV exists. There's a fairly solid argument of No Consensus, and per WP:TITLECHANGES, reverting to its default capitalized title. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a subject matter expert regarding this article, but an inexperienced Wikipedia editor. I don't know how to initiate these kinds of deliberations and would likely break something by just reverting. Is there anyone who can assist with procedure?Sredmash (talk) 12:39, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  The instructions are in the green box at WP:IMR. They are not super complex, as it just involves copying and filling in a template. Step 1 was already done, as you clearly informed the closer of your wish for them to revert the close as a WP:BADNAC #2 and they disagreed.  ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:59, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 2 August 2023