Talk:2006 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament

message: I think we should, this list by the time theres 65 teams will take up way too much space —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Levineps (talk • contribs) 16:39, 8 March 2006  (UTC)
:I cleaned up the section by removing the unnecessary description of every conference championship game. Most of the information was of "sports-journalism" quality - containing a great deal of unsourced speculation, sympathetic point of view, and other things that aren't really encyclopedic - not to mention that they had only a minor tangential relationship to the subject of the article. This should help with the length, but a table might be cleaner once we have the actual seedings this Sunday. (ESkog)(Talk) 05:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualifying Team-Separate Section 

message: With March Madness heading into full swing, I'm looking to get entries on Wikipedia for every prior NCAA Tournament, 1939-2004. I've done some basic scripting work to make this happen. A sample page for the 1991 tournament is at User:Dantheox/NCAA. There's nothing special about 1991 -- creation of these pages is completely automated, so once a standard format is settled on, creating all 66 (?) tournament pages won't take very long. That being said, I'd love to get some feedback on the page. Suggestions have included doing a better job of linking to universities (not states or titles, like "Duke") and a better handling of the third-place games that were played until 1981. --Dantheox 10:01, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately, those templates aren't flexible enough to handle any NCAA tournament, since the championships have used various numbers of rounds and byes over the years. I'll look at the formatting behind your templates though, and see if I can cannibalize it. --Dantheox 18:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I realize that. On my to-do list, I eventually would like to have a template for every single NCAA playoff format, every NFL playoffs format, every NHL and NBA format, etc. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, the formatting is roughly based off of Template:Quarter-2-groups and Template:Semi-2-groups that was used during the Ice hockey at the 2006 Winter Olympics. But I had been tinkering with it in my own sandbox for the past few weeks. I do not really care how elaborate these templates are. The only requirement should be that they should be placed in some sort of actual HTML/wiki table, instead of a psudo-one in which the cells are only seperated by tabs. That is why the bot screwed up the original format because everything was all seperated by only tabs. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical Brackets 

message: I've created these tables to list the seeding for the regionals. Please leave feedback! — Linnwood 22:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For some reason the text is fillng between the tables. Anyone know how to fix this? — Linnwood 23:42, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  See Talk:/32TeamBracket
JedG 23:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I will only look at it if somebody will definitely put it in a few articles. Otherwise, it will be a waste of time and might be nominated for deletion. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The brackets are fine as is, since 32 teams are unlikely to fit on your average user's screen. The NCAA breaks the brackets down into 16-team chunks for us, so why not take advantage of this? --Dantheox 01:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Another problem: if we went to the 6-round bracket and removed the "final four" section, then the final four would be spread over several screens. Most newspapers and sports websites put one half of the draw on the left, and the other on the right. This way, the final four teams meet in the middle. If we could do that on this page, then it would be ideal, but horizontal space considerations preclude that. The brackets are already wide enough to fill some screens -- doubling the width would necessitate horizontal scrolling, which seems to be frowned upon on Wikipedia. --Dantheox 03:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning horizontal space considerations, off the top of my head, Wikipedia:Image use policy#Displayed image size specifically says, "Larger images should generally be a maximum of 550 pixels wide, so that they can comfortably be displayed on 800x600 monitors." There is a couple of other guidelines about how content should fit comfortably on 800x600 monitors, but I cannot remember them right now. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't thinks there's any use for a 32-team bracket in modern NCAA Tournament articles, since the tournament is 64/65 teams broken into 16-team regions. The way the article is now is fine. In a perfect world we'd to it like the newspapers do, but since we can't, breaking it up into regions, then the Final Four, (like many websites do) is fine. Kevin M Marshall 14:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've archived the attempted bracket off the main talk page, since it was making the page overly long, and a consensus seems to have been reached that this isn't something we need to do. --Dantheox 18:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purposed Format for Listing Teams in Regionals 

message: I tried to make a (general) 32 team bracket but am unable to get it to work properly. I'm pretty close to having it finished. I used the 16 team bracket and expanded it. If you would like to use it in the article you'll need to fix the errors (sorry).
:: See Talk:/32TeamBracket
JedG 23:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I will only look at it if somebody will definitely put it in a few articles. Otherwise, it will be a waste of time and might be nominated for deletion. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:19, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: The brackets are fine as is, since 32 teams are unlikely to fit on your average user's screen. The NCAA breaks the brackets down into 16-team chunks for us, so why not take advantage of this? --Dantheox 01:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Another problem: if we went to the 6-round bracket and removed the "final four" section, then the final four would be spread over several screens. Most newspapers and sports websites put one half of the draw on the left, and the other on the right. This way, the final four teams meet in the middle. If we could do that on this page, then it would be ideal, but horizontal space considerations preclude that. The brackets are already wide enough to fill some screens -- doubling the width would necessitate horizontal scrolling, which seems to be frowned upon on Wikipedia. --Dantheox 03:12, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning horizontal space considerations, off the top of my head, Wikipedia:Image use policy#Displayed image size specifically says, "Larger images should generally be a maximum of 550 pixels wide, so that they can comfortably be displayed on 800x600 monitors." There is a couple of other guidelines about how content should fit comfortably on 800x600 monitors, but I cannot remember them right now. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't thinks there's any use for a 32-team bracket in modern NCAA Tournament articles, since the tournament is 64/65 teams broken into 16-team regions. The way the article is now is fine. In a perfect world we'd to it like the newspapers do, but since we can't, breaking it up into regions, then the Final Four, (like many websites do) is fine. Kevin M Marshall 14:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've archived the attempted bracket off the main talk page, since it was making the page overly long, and a consensus seems to have been reached that this isn't something we need to do. --Dantheox 18:09, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 32 team bracket

message: Can we "wiki" the brackets, so they will reveal box scores, recaps, pics, etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Levineps (talk • contribs) 20:41, 12 March 2006.
*Do you plan to write box scores, recaps, pics, etc. for all 64 games of the tournament? That might be a little excessive for some Wikipedians. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:42, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please sign your comments with ~~~~ — Linnwood 06:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that individual games merit a write-up of one or two sentences (maybe more later in the tournament) included on this page, but creating a page for every single game and putting up full box scores, recaps, etc., would be overkill. Kevin M Marshall 15:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at the article on last year's tournament, write-ups did not occur until the regional finals. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:42, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that; but I don't see any reason why the early rounds should be mere listings of scores without any information about how the games themselves played out. Again, I don't think we need huge summaries of every game, but let me know if you think the one-sentence summaries I added for some of yesterday's games are appropriate or not. Kevin M Marshall 16:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Wiki" the brackets 

message: Is there really a need to italicize teams that may "benefit" from the use of the pod system? That appears to be rather subjective and unnecessary. Perhaps that could be better put in another place, such as "Bracket Analysis" or something like that? 159.142.184.229 22:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Effects of the Pod System

message: Hey, can someone explain to me why a phrase like "a game for the ages" isn't neutral? I used that to describe the UCLA-Gonzaga game (I figured it's a game for the ages whether you're a Bruins fan or a Zags fan. . .or neither). I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the edit, but I'd like to know why someone might consider that not-so-neutral. Neilymon 15:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutral Point of View

message: I think the title should be "2006 NCAA men's Division I basketball tournament"; I realize every other tourny article like this one is capitalized like this one, but I don't think it's correct. Also, there should be no wikilink in the bolded use of the article title. All the dates should be wikified, but some are but have the information cutoff in a non-appropriate manner (March 23 / 25 isn't appropriate). I also think this article is heavily overlinked, and things I would expect to be linked aren't (like NCAA, and Division I). The intro should be expanded a little bit and make sure to write the article like someone who isn't familiar with basketball can read it. See previous years for ideas. The tables under "Qualifying Teams" seem semi-redundant and perhaps all the information could be included elsewhere in text form. Many of the early game summaries are very brief. Even some of the later ones contain 2 or 3 sentences and I would expect them to be a little longer. I also would expect MANY more references. There is 1, for a 54kb article! I would also expect more information about coaches and links to school basketball team/season pages. I do think this isn't far from a GA, as many of my complaints (sans references) are easy to fix. You could ask for some help from the Wikipedia:WikiProject College Basketball folks. --MECU≈talk 21:34, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a GA review? If so I assume it is meant to have placed the nomination on hold until the points raised are fixed. I'll edit the entry at WP:GAC to that effect. 4u1e 12:02, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article Nomination Review 

message: I was wondering if you guys (whoever mainatins this page) have it clear of images for a reason? If it's due to a lack, I went through my shots and have 4 that aren't too bad. I have the dome decked out, the court empty and very few fans, the guys warming up (Florida and Mason), and one with them playing and the place packed. Let me know if there is interest in all/any of them. §hepTalk 06:34, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you have images you can release under a free license, that would be great! Most articles like this are image-free because it is so rare that someone has free images - not because we don't want any. (ESkog)(Talk) 00:15, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. I'll upload some later. §hepTalk 01:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Here you go: :File:Final 4 Semis 1.jpg, :File:Final 4 Semis 2.jpg, :File:Final 4 Semis 3.jpg, :File:Final 4 Nationals 1.jpg, :File:Final 4 2006.jpg, and :File:Final 4 2006 RCA Dome.jpg. Those were the best out of the bunch; sorry for the quality, I didn't have Wikipedia in mind when taking these (wasn't even a member). I think I have 2004 Final Four pics as well, I'll go hunt for them. If any of them need cleanup let me know what you'd like done. §hepTalk 00:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pics