Talk:Harry Magdoff/Archive 1

message: Reverted and placed here pending sourcing that Harry Magdoff ever testified before the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.
:Magdoff became vulnerable during the McCarthy Era.  nobs 23:13, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference to McCarthy

message: If this is true, I'd assume it'd have been in the '60s and '70s amongst the New Left. "Socialist" or "Marxist thought" would probably be more accurate, "leftist" strikes me as a little too broad for someone like Magdoff. Other than that, I just have to ask was he really a prominent figure (outside of this monthlyreview source, which naturally is gonna be complimentary) compared to others on the New Left? J. Parker Stone 05:44, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure - he was one of the Soviet Union's top spies! Ruy Lopez 05:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: har har. J. Parker Stone 06:02, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The New Left did not pass from the scene after the 1970s. The Monthly Review, New Left Review, and Journal of World System Research still publish some influential academic books, particularly in sociology and political economy. If you're going to study history and politics, there's a chance that you might be assigned Duncan Green's Sielent Revolution, David Harvey's New Imperialism, or Michel Beaud's History of Capitalism in one course or another, which were published by Monthly Review. 172 | Talk 06:48, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: goddammit 172 why'd you have to inform me of this, i'm already worried enough about the pinko professors i'm gonna have to listen to. btw, for now i'm gonna be majoring in econ.
getting back to the issue, my point was that the New Left was at its most influential in the '60s and '70s, even if some of their material is still used in academia. also whether he's really a prominent leftist figure today compared to other folks in mags like The Nation, which as far as I can tell is the most popular leftist publication in the U.S. today. J. Parker Stone 06:53, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: Haha. In that case, you might be relatively safe; sociology departments are usually teaming with the most pinkos, while economics departments usually have the least... I see your point now. I'll go ahead and insert "leftist" and "socialist." 172 | Talk 07:34, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: my dad had a communist professor in Econ, but that was at UCSC, so yeah. banana slugs. J. Parker Stone 07:37, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

text: That's a good point to add to its pockets of influence in the U.S. in academia. Of course, there's also the influence in Russia, given that Magdoff has long been one of the Kremlin's top moles in the U.S. 172 | Talk 22:56, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't doubt that Marxist opinion in general is much more popular in certain third world countries, but I was making my comments based on the fact that Magdoff is a U.S. citizen and MR is based in the U.S. J. Parker Stone 04:19, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. But Wikipedia is an international project with readers from around the world. -- Viajero | Talk 09:34, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I have no major objections to how 172 changed the phrase. My only thought about the general article now is that it seems a little laudatory in certain spots since it's based on an article from the MR, but nothing horrendous. I ain't gonna get involved in the whole spy v. McCarthyite mess. J. Parker Stone 09:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: "Forefront of leftist thought"

message: PLEASE NOTE: The REFERENCE MATERIAL asked for was for the other page where there is a clear notice at the top that says: "You are welcome to edit this article, but please do not blank, merge, or move this article, or remove this notice while the discussion is in progress. For more information, read the Guide to Votes for Deletion.' That's where the reverences belong.  Thanks for providing them there. Please stop violating clear Wiki policy by suggesting that I am reverting material improperly.--Cberlet 18:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they are references to text that was moved to another page Conspiracy allegations about Harry Magdoff. The references to that text thus were moved to the other page. The references being discussed now have no connection whatsoever to the text remaining on this page, and the very nature of them as accurate in establishing the claims being made (on the other page, not on this page) are being challenged on that other page.  Complicated, I know, but once there was a call for a vote for deletion, the text on that new page being voted on is covered by the statement noted above, "please do not blank, merge, or move this article, or remove this notice while the discussion is in progress." Based on current voting patterns, the text that can be verified, including the appropriate references, will be back here shortly.--Cberlet 18:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: References