Talk:Extremaduran language

message: In the Dialects section of the article there is a sentence that reads, The central and southern ones are spoken in the rest of Extremadura, and are all of them at least since the 18th century Castilian dialects.  This was clearly written by someone who isn't a native of English.  I can't tell what the second part of the sentence is trying to convey.  maybe... "...and all of them have been (spoken) since (something about) the 18 century Castillian dialects."  Anyone care to give a shot?? cullen (talk) 22:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried to improve the sentence. --Jotamar (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical Use

message: I am from Sierra de Gata (North zone of Caceres) and it is a language recognised by the UNESCO.
In these terms, english is a germanic dialect....
CiD
I live here and i can tell you that this isnt a language it is a dialect of spanish. It has equal systems of  pronouns ,nouns and verbs and the offical lanuage is spanish.
Extemaduran is meridonal dialect of spanish .
If you don't mind I'm gonna changed
Should this page not be moved to Extremaduran dialect? Does anybody assert Extremaduran to be a language in its own right, as opposed to a dialect of the Astur-Leonese language? And is there any linguistic or social support for such an assertion, if it exists? QuartierLatin1968  16:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I don't understand your point of view. You only moved the name back because you think I did a non-WP:NPOV action; and you defend your editions saying that your view is the neutral view. Can you explain, please, the sources which you based on your changes? Otherwise, your position is also a non-NPOV.--PayoMalayo 17:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After reading the web Ethnologue, I can just say that the information this page shows about Extremaduran is really poor: this page doesn't distinguish high, middle or low extremaduran; this is very important because high extremaduran is said to be a astur-leones dialect, and middle and low extremadura a castillian dialect; they didn't know good statistics about the speakers;  regrettably, speakers are going down. I admit that borders between a dialect and a language are sometimes narrow, but aren't based on number of speakers! For example, have you read Dialect#"Dialect" or "language"? Extremaduran keeps all the points to be dialect. Usually the term "dialect" is seen as a lower category (than language), so maybe that is the reason of all those discussions in other articles you told. But, what has really surprised me are some ideas you listed: if you think that people or a web page is going to know something better than me simply because they are further than me from the "thing", or if Wikipedia is going to be built now based only on a christian web page, what kind of encyclopedia do you want? Should one think that, because my editions doesn't compliant a poor (for Extremaduran) web page, I have a non-NPOV??? Oh my goddddd!! The only and lonely here are SOURCES! so, you're totally right in that point, we need sources! so, is your source the poor (for Extremaduran dialect) christian web page? Ok, I'll search something about it, because that's the only reason for a good article or a reasonable change, not the other reason you listed.--PayoMalayo 03:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: dialect?

message: I am from Extremadura and I have been living there since I was born, but Spanish is my mother tongue and I do not speak Extremaduran at all. When I travel to an extremaduran-speaking area (mostly in North-East Extremadura), I can hear many people speaking extremaduran and it is extremely difficult for me to understand what they say just because I do not speak the language so that I ask them to speak spanish when talking to me for me to understand them. I just understand some isolated words because Spanish and Extremaduran languages are very similar and they are mutually understandable in some way, as any other romance languages can be mutually understandable.
It is definitely a language and it is not a dialect of the Spanish language, in fact, the Extremaduran language is more similar to the Astur-Leonese language than to the Spanish language. If Extremaduran was a dialect, it would be a dialect of the Astur-Leonese language.
That is why I think the title must not be changed because this ('Extremaduran language') is the right one.
Regards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.3.252.88 (talk) 23:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't know if it was a lenguage or if was not. But what is clear is that it was. Probably you filologist could find pecualiarities in the speaking of an old man in a little hamlet in Extremadura. But a preliminary spanish teacher woul find even more of them. What is culture and what is lack of it, who knows. What I can said is if you go to any single place of Extremadura, speaking in the fashion of what spanish wikipedia calls "extremaduran" they will probably think that you come from Mars.--Pablomfa (talk) 13:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are the people talking in this video from Mars?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seh1Dz2uLnE
Let's write their words as they come out of their mouth:
"-Habla... Habla en serraillanu, pol favol.
-¿Ehn?
-Pol favol
-¿Se... Serraillanu puru duru?
-Puru y duru.
...
-Vamus a jadel una dutaera.
-Esu lo sabráh tú lo que eh...
-Una dutaera que silbi... Estu machacamuh el platijirri ehti, bien machacáu, y luegu ponemuh unus bujerus con un ajinu. Y dihpuéh tiramus y aflojamuh.
...
-Idilmi unah palabrah en serraillanu, que naidi habla serraillanu aquí.
-Tú ehtáh viviendu muchu tiempu ahí ajuera ¿no? Ajuera.
-Sí, me falta la entonación, me faltan muchah cosah, lo intentu...
-Pero ¿Te sobra algu, te sobra?
-No me sobra na.
...
-...hablal, y diju "¡Ay, qué calol jadi!". Y se quearun los señoritus idiendu "¿Cómu ha dichu?¿Jaci?¿Jadi?¿Jadi?" Mejol no andin uhtedih, uhtéh, que no son capáh d'idillu comu yo.
-Correhtu.
...
-¿Y qué quierih sabel, que ehti chalecu de cuándu eh?
-¿De cuándu eh esi chalecu?
-Eh de jadi muchu ha.
-Muchu ha, peru muchu muchu, ¿no?
-Pertene... Era de mi... De loh mih bisagüeluh.
-Pueh na, que lo dihfrutih.
-Eran ganaeruh, ¿Sabih?
-Ajá.
-Loh... Loh botonih son charruh.
-Botonih charruh, ahí lo podéih comprobal.
-Iban a Salamanca a por elluh loh grandih propietariuh que tenían, y lo invertían en ehtah cosah.
-Mu bien.
...
-¿Qué jadih así vehtíu?
-Porque hoy eh el día apropiáu pa ellu.
-Me paici mu bien, ala, jarreandu.
-Tú erih el nietu del tíu Matéu ¿no?
-Sí, yo soy el nietu del tíu Matéu Cahtellanu.
-Matéu Cahtellanu, efehtivamenti.
-Que en pah dehcansi.
-Hiju de Inehtu.
-Esahtu. Inehtu yo mihmu.
-Inehtu tú mihmu."
This is Extremaduran as it is described in the Spanish Wikipedia, as it's spoken by some people in Serradilla, Garrovillas or Villamiel. Do you think this is Martian language? Do you think saying "jadel" instead of "hacer" and "idil" instead of "decir" is Martian language? Do you think it's Spanish?
We are not the only ones who call it Extremaduran. So does UNESCO, and so do many of its speakers. And now it has its own Wikipedia:
http://ext.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1hina_prencipal
--Ringurrangu (talk) 12:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Provide sources then, per WP:Verifiability. --LjL (talk) 13:09, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: It is a language

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Extremaduran (línguistics) → Extremaduran — or to "Extremaduran language", I'm relatively neutral as to which (on one hand, most language articles are called "X language", on the other, there isn't an article about the Extremaduran people and its creation is unlikely), but certainly the current title is not acceptable, and neither would be the version without accented "í". LjL (talk) 11:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The most appropriate title for this article is Extremaduran (linguistics), because the actual title can refer to a person from Extremadura, or can be confused. --Der Künstler (talk) 15:40, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: I can confirm this article and the whole idea of an "Extremaduran" language is just a joke to ridiculize all the people from the autonomous community of Extremadura. The person who created this was part of an small portion of haters in Spain who are always blaming national problems on certain communities like Extremadura, Andalucia etc and they do all they can to ridiculize them.
I live here and have no constancy whatsoever that such language exists, nor official ones in Spain that recognices them either.
There are other attemps on the net to extend this in form of translations of software, that you're going to tell me how those supposed speakers are going to download since those isolated towns between mountains in Extremadura have no way to connect to the internet and only an anecdotal percent of them owns a computer (Yes I've been in that zone).
People from those towns like Descargamaria DO certainly speak in a different way than the rest of the community, but that's all about it: they have a broad accent. Even the older ones (80+) that are just a couple of hundreds and who have always lived isolated never get to speak like 50% of described in the article. It has been exaggerated to an anormous extent and like I say it's in no way recognized as a language by anybody, not even the ones who speak (a bit) like this.
These haters tend to imitate that accent when refering to people from Extremadura just to ridiculize them, I never imagined one of them would even invent this whole accent thing and try to post it to Wikipedia.org
Hope it gets deleted soon.
Regards.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.155.92.249 (talk) 07:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  An smear campaign - Hope this doesn't get deleted by the dynamip IP outrager is commenting here 

message: Hi, I've found this article by sheer chance, as far as I know and from my experience, the people of Extremadura talk a Spanish dialect that is called Castúo (usually speaked by people that only needs to be understood in their region, I do not speak Castuo but have a very strong accent so I understand it clearly people that speak it because is the same that I speak but with a stronger accent, but, finally is Spanish language.In fact the grammatical rules are exactly the same only differs on pronunciation. Maybe, it can be an archaic version of Spanish (it has a lot of similarities with the Spanish of the Quijote that is from the XVII century. For instance: de use of "de que", called currently "dequeismo", instead of "cuando" but that appears also in the Quijote as it) in fact, the writting in Castuo is exactly the same than in Spanish but modified to simulate the pronunciation.And talking about the castuo dialect there is already a more technical article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast%C3%BAo, so this article seems to be duplicated, and with a lot of imprecissions). For more references about castuo you can find works in  in Castúo of Mr. Luis Chamizo (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Chamizo_Trigueros) that is the most important writer (simulating the pronunciantion with the Spanish writting rules) in this dialect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.198.19 (talk) 10:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The article claims that about 200,000 people speak Extremaduran.  That's one-fifth of the population of Extremadura, and probably most of them are bilingual, so there is no conflict between your assertion that "the people of Extremadura talk a Spanish dialect" and the article's assertion that a distinct Extremaduran exists.  Of course the difference between language and dialect is fuzzy anyway. —Tamfang (talk) 05:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

text: The article clearly states that Extremaduran is spoken only in a part of Extremadura, and that it is different from the Extremaduran dialects of Spanish (that are sometimes called Castúo). Jotamar (talk) 15:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: NOT RELIABLE ARTICLE

message: I've removed the "Disputed" tag, which had been there for a few years.  There's no active discussion here on the talk page, and the discussion above seems resolved.  If someone wants to restore it then go ahead, but then please also re-open a discussion here with what specifically is being disputed.  Thanks! -Helvetica (talk) 05:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed "Disputed" tag