Talk:Prime Minister of Spain

message: The name of the PM should be at the far left instead of the monarch, since we want to read about the main subject first. --Jiang 02:50, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean? The PM names are at the left for me, just next to the related pictures, while the monarch is at the far right. I tried to check whether this is a "unicode bi-di" issue, but clicking "switch page direction" in firefox did nothing. Habbit (talk) 19:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Position of columns

message: Why are the earlier Prime Ministers in the format "Garcia, Juan" and the more recent ones in the format "Juan Garcia"? The earlier format is wrong and should be changed. And why is Zapatero here when he has not yet taken office? He could die tomorrow. The April 2 date is pure speculation. I will fix these errors. Adam 08:13, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, now that you've most certainly looked at the source, you saw that there was a "TO BE DONE" message there to alert editors to change both name and date formats in first entries. I know it was wrong when I added them, but I didn't have the time to change them to the proper format. --Cantus 00:50, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Name/Date formats & Zapatero

message: Contradictory information: the "move template" at the top of this page suggests a move to President of the Government of Spain; WP:RM suggests moving to Prime Minister of Spain. Either would be an improvement on where it is now, but my vote goes to Prime Minister of Spain as where it really should be. –Hajor 19:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move 2005

message: * Support,  –Hajor 19:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose that this article be renamed and moved to [[Prime Minister of Spain]].

message: *Support - As per CIA World Factbook. After all, we use Taoiseach instead of Irish Prime Minister across Wikipedia. Plus the current name —Prime Minister of the Government of Spain— is an absurd hybrid. —Cantus…☎ 21:26, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
*support. Prime Minister and President (as Presidente means in Spain) aren't the same concepts  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trancas3.0 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Propose that this article be renamed and moved to [[President of the Government of Spain]]

message: I think this article should be expanded to include the role and powers of the Spanish PM, both in the current democratic Spain and in past regimes, the method of election and dismissal, etc. This would make it possible to move the (huge) PM list away to some article called List of Prime Ministers of Spain and keep just the last part (since the 1975 Constitution). By the way, I think the list should incorporate the First VP of the Government (i.e. First Deputy PM) below each PM because, whenever the PM leaves Spain or is somehow incapacitated/unreachable, the 1st DPM becomes Acting PM. Thus, María Teresa Fernández de la Vega has been "in power" several times. Habbit (talk) 00:22, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no opposition has been voiced here, and since I've revamped List of Prime Ministers of Spain, I'm wiping the list here and leaving just the PMs since the democratic transition, with a link to the full list. Habbit (talk) 01:47, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move the list away 

message: As has been mentioned time and time again, British English references, which must necessarily prevail over translated terms at the English-language Wikipedia, invariably use the term prime minister (of Spain) when referring to Spain's presidente del gobierno, as per the following random example from the press (The Economist):
http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12581187 "Speaking to the prime minister of Spain" (Nov 6th 2008)
As for official uses, the updated English
Style Guide (Fifth edition: 2005 Revised: March 2009) published by the European Commission
Directorate-General for Translation http://ec.europa.eu/translation/writing/style_guides/english/style_guide_en.pdf
states the following:
19.29 Spain. Full name: Kingdom of Spain. The 17 political/administrative units into which Spain is divided are called Autonomous Communities in English.
Translate Presidente del Gobierno as Prime Minister (of Spain).
I suspect, however, that this might not be considered conclusive enough... --Technopat (talk) 17:42, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: May I also point out that standard Wikipedia practice for several counterpart positions is to use the title normally used in English - thus "Prime Minister of Japan" not "Minister for the general administration of the Cabinet of Japan" or "Prime Minister of Italy" not "President of the Council of Ministers of Italy". Similarly we use "Prime Minister" not "President of the Government" for "Prime Minister of Croatia", "Prime Minister of Russia" and "Prime Minister of Serbia", again because that is the standard way the position is referred to in English. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: So, it's "standarisation" over factual accuracy, now? There is no such thing as a Spanish Prime Minister. It's a misnomer and the only arguments given to support the article having a title which doesn't match reality is the prevalence of a misconception (or purposeful oversimplification) in the British media. Are those the standards a supposedly encyclopaedic work is to adhere to?--84.77.155.153 (talk) 03:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Translation is not a one-to-one process. Frequently one will use the relevant equivalent concept in the destination language rather than the literal translation of the source term because it more readily conveys the meaning. Note that even the English language section of the La Moncloa website uses both interchangeably:   Timrollpickering (talk) 10:55, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

text: I tend to favor President of the Government to Prime Minister myself. The examples given for other nations should... in my opinion... be corrected as well. But I defer to the consensus reached here. ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 00:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

text: "Prime Minister" is a correct english translation, as the role of the President of the Government is the same as the role of a Prime Minister. However, I think in the infobox we should use "President of the Government", as it is the translation of the official tittle. In the articles about the Prime Minister of Italy, the Prime Minister of Croatia", and "Prime Minister of Serbia it works like that.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.61.198.89 (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prime minister vs. president of the government... update 

message: None of the so-called controversies links mention the peerage. Unless a clear link is provided, I would consider this Original Research and remove it accordingly. --Phagopsych (talk) 23:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and removed text.♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 03:30, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aznar's peerage 

message: Hello all. Considering the general on-going consensus since 05 to rename the page President of the Government of Spain, I propose we actually do this! But the redirect page "President of the Government of Spain" needs to be deleted first so that the name opens up. Thoughts? ♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 03:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: President of the Government of Spain, 2011 discussion 

message: Can user:Zape82 please stop putting Prime Minister in the infobox whilst this may be the common title it is not the official one as per Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Russia. Please no not revet again without discussion. --81.106.240.67 (talk) 12:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Several issues here: firsly, as per MOS:INFOBOX, the template , which in this case clearly is "Prime Minister of Spain". Other stuff may exist, but that doesn't mean that it is done correctly for those other articles or that consensus is similar in those situations. Secondly, this article covers not only the current office, but the historical position since its first inception in the 19th century. The office has had different names throughout history, all of them easily identifiable under the "Prime Minister of Spain" label but not as "President of the Government of Spain", a name which has only existed since 1938. Thirdly and finally, the post is overwhelmingly referred to in the article as "Prime Minister", so having the template named as "President of the Government" would only lead to confusion. Impru20talk 21:29, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I notice that this article uses the literal translation "President of the Government" a lot, as if it were the title of the article.  All the discussions above seem to suggest a consensus around the more common English translation of "Prime Minister".  Has something changed since these discussions?  Or should we mostly use the phrase "Prime Minister"?
Yaris678 (talk) 05:21, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of the literal translation 

message: Hi I'm from Spain and the grafic in Recent Presidents of the Government section it's wrong. Calvo-Sotelo and Aznar are from PP (blue), Gonzalez and Zapatero are from PSOE (red). Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.56.186.1 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Calvo-Sotelo was from UCD (green). All others are shown in their party's colours. Impru20 (talk) 14:30, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent Presidents of the Government 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: The article wrongly states that the constitution does not grant the government emergency powers in the light of the Franco dictatorship, but Art 116 constitution allows 3 different levels of a state of emergency. The first level (state of alarm) can be declared for up to 15 days by the government. The higher levels or a longer duration requires approval by the lower house of parliament. https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Spanish_Constitution_of_1978_(unannotated)/Part_V The state of alarm was used for several months during the Covid pandemic, being the basis for most of the restrictions imposed in spring 2020 and Autumn - Spring 2020/2021. 
Not sure how to proceed, there is no source for the current statement, maybe it's partially valid as to the extend of the emergency powers and that they are subject to parliamentary and judicial control, but without a source in that direction it should probably be deleted and replaced by outlining Art 116. Manwe Sulimo1 (talk) 11:38, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emergency Powers