Talk:Line of succession to the former Ottoman throne

message: Yes, but how much needs keeping? Johnbod (talk) 00:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the same as a deletion, as femals had no place in the succession at all. --85.226.43.165 (talk) 18:10, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Sultans:Imperial Princesses]]?

message: I'd like to add two remarks:
#It is claimed that fratricide had begun by Mehmet II. What about interregnum which was half a century before Mehmet II ? Even before interegnum, Bayazid I killed one of his brothers and caused the execution of his other brother by means of conspiration.
#Prince Bayazit was not Süleyman's only victim. What about Prince Mustafa ? 
Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bayazit I and Şehzade Mustafa 

message: I am concerned that this article, which has no citations for any of its mentions of living people, violates the policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living people.  I have started a section about it at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Line of succession to the Ottoman throne. Chick Bowen 21:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have overhauled the article.  Hopefully, it's okay now.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:04, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article was reverted today to the problematic version without discussion, and I changed it back.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Despite the BLP discussion, IPs keep reverting.  Please discuss here instead.Anythingyouwant (talk) 04:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Because no reliable source is cited.  You would need a footnote describing a reputable newspaper or book, or something like that.  Please see WP:BLP for details.  Thanks.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

text: It's not a joke.  It's just the way Wikipedia works.  Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources. See WP:RS.  That helps not just to ensure that the information is accurate, but also helps to ensure that only the most significant information gets into Wikipedia.  I could start a website that says all kinds of things, but that doesn't mean it should go into Wikipedia, even if it is all true.Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

text: There is no Ottoman throne anymore, so this article is necessarily a historical description of the line of succession, except where other info about the subject is well-sourced and inserted by consensus.  There is now yet another discussion at BLPN at WP:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Ottoman_descendants.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violation of [[WP:BLP]] 

message: <List of names Redacted>
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilek2 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The list has been removed from the article (and redacted from this talk page) as a violation of WP:BLP policy concerning unsourced names. The issue has been discussed numerous times, including Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive110#Line of succession to the Ottoman throne, Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive111#Line of succession to the Ottoman throne, and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive113#Ottoman descendants. It can not be re-added without proper reference to reliable sources.  — CactusWriter (talk) 06:14, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ottoman Prince's 

message: A legitimate question, are the prince in exile were also circumcised?
The members of the Ottoman dynasty are not practicing Muslims today.
:I think they are Circumcised
Selim78 (talk) 16:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are today's Ottoman prince Circumcised? 

message: There has been a closely related article deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Heir_to_the_Ottoman_dynasty.Anythingyouwant (talk) 20:58, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD discussion

message: Recently sections have been added which contain no verifiable sources and are not true. For example, the section on Eligibility is incorrect.  Unfortunately I don't have any sources except my own knowledge but as there are no references in this section, does it matter? How do I remove sections containing information that I know to be in error? MissyMaddie (talk) 00:01, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please refrain from personal attacks, Dilek2. At no time did I add any unsourced material to this article.Edward321 (talk) 23:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who is vandalizing this page? 

message: No any Offspring of an Ottoman Princess is a Heir of the Ottoman Throne.
There is today 27 Shehzades, and any other Person who are claimed to be an Ottoman Prince is false and a liar.
But there is also Descendants of Cem Sultan today, there are Christian-Catholics for Century's, and no longer Heir's of the former Ottoman Throne.
Also there is the Amuca Kabilese = It mean's Uncle's Clan (Amuca/Amca = means Uncle of the Paternal Branch...So Osman Gazi are the Paternal Uncle of this Clan.
The Amucas are the descendants of Osman Gazi's older two Brother's: Gündüz Alp Gazi and Saru Batu Savci Bey. This Clan was settled in Thrace, who is today in three Country's---Bulgaria,Turkey and Greece. 
Mostly of the Amucas settled today in the Turkish Part of Thracem since the Balkan War's ... 
My Grandfather was a Amuca.
I have my Family Tree, a lot of male relative's made a Y-DNA Test, and show's as J2
This interessting now, because mostly Turks in Turkey are not of Central Asia... J2 are same Haplo as the Brahmanis (Higher Upper Class of India), than migrated to Tadjkistan and what we know today Kirgizstan... 
So the Ottoman Sehzades have the same J2 Y-DNA.
Below are Y-DNA haplogroups Cinnioğlu's team found among Anatolian Turks: 
E1b1b1 = 10.7% (common in the Mediterranean region)
G = 10.9% (common in the Caucasus, also found in the Middle East)
I = 5.3% (common in Central Europe, the Western Caucasus, and the Balkans)
J1 = 9% (common in Arabia and Daghestan)
J2 = 24% (common in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe and also found in Central and South Asia)
K = 4.5% (common in Asia and the Caucasus)
L = 4.2% (common in India and Khorasan)
N = 3.8% (common in Eastern Europe and North Asia, including Siberia [e.g. Turkic-speaking Yakuts], the Altai Mountains region, and the Ural Mountains region - the article however did not consider N to come to Turkey's Turks from North Asia)
Q = 1.9% (common in North Asia including Northern Altaic peoples)
R1a = 6.9% (common in Central Asia, the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, and among Indo-Aryans)
R1b = 14.7% (common in Western Europe)
T = 2.5% (common in the Mediterranean, South Asia, and Northeastern Africa) 
Dilek2 (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Ottoman Family and Relative's

message: Is he a' legitime Ottoman Prince
Şehzade Mehmed Selim Orhan Efendi (1943) (II. Abdülhamit)???
Mehmed Selim Orhan is the son of Şehzade Mehmed Orhan Efendi, who was a descendant of II. Abdülhamit, but he is not listed as a Heir...Isn't it?
First marriage:
Şehzade Mehmed Orhan married in January 1933, the Egyptian Nafiye Yeghen, the marriage ended in divorce.
From this marriage he have a daughter:
Fatma Necla Sultan (b. 1933), reconized by the House of Osman.
Second marriage:
Şehzade Mehmed Orhan married, in 1943 the French Irma Margaret Fournier, the marriage ended in divorce.
From this marriage he got a son:
Mehmet Selim Orhan (b. 1943), reconized?
What it's happend?
Dilek2 (talk) 21:15, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prince? 

message: Yakub Alemsah is not sourced as a prince...he isnt a prince...
i look this sources there in turkish and they is abosutly not of talking this person
Dilek2 (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes Yakub Alemşah Osmanoğlu Efendi Hazretleri (b. 1973) is not in any of the sources that are given for him. - dwc lr (talk) 17:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Yakub Alemsah

message: (Shehzade) Mahmud Shevket (1903, Istanbul - 1973, France) was expelled and deprived of the title of Prince and the style of His Highness from the Imperial House of Osman by His Imperial Majesty, the last Caliph Abdülmecid II. in 1931. He d.at in France 1931, having had issue:
*(a) HIH Princess Hamide Nermin Nezahat Sultana [1923 - 1998] by his first Marriage with a Grandaughter of Abdülhamid II.
Second Marriage, Children and descendant's not recognized by the Imperial House and his Tail Male line  not Heir's of the Ottoman Throne:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.126.99 (talk) 23:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excluded from the Imperial House in 1931 

message: This person Sehzade Mehmed Selim Orhan (1943) is not on the official list of the Ottoman princes.
Although his father Shehzade Mehmed Orhan Efendi was married to his mother, the French Lady Irma Marguerite Fournier.
They divorced four years later, he had never contact with his son, which he himself said in an interview with the Turkish historian Murat Bardakci in 1992.
Why now Selim Mehmed Orhan is no a heir apparent?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.46.116.147 (talk) 01:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shehzade Mehmed Selim Orhan (1943) 

message: The statement that "Ertuğrul Osman said "Democracy works well in Turkey" is not an indication of support or otherwise of a Ottoman restoration. It is contrary to an Ottoman sultan with absolute power, but sultans and democracy can be compatible. After all, the empire did have elections and was broadly democratic, particularly after 1908.Royalcourtier (talk) 20:40, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Support for restoration