Talk:Wynton Marsalis

message: WyntonMarsalis.net seems like a reasonable official webpage, but so does the similarly claiming WyntonMarsalis.com. Any idea what's going on? Evan Seeds  (talk) 04:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Website? 

message: Since the 1980s, Marsalis is often credited as a major force in repopularizing jazz. He also ruined it with his childlike conception of music as a whole.
"Ruined it"???  "childlike"???  The whole sentence stinks of POV.
I was just surfing through, am not a jazz expert, and have to say: The whole article seems very POV.  I mean, his biography, musical accomplishments, and then a section called "Controversy" in which we only get random attacks on the man by a handful of critics!  Unsubstantiated attacks, with no detail, are not "controversy."  How about explaining what the controversy is about, and how about a description of Marsalis' own views on the subject, not just as filtered through summary of the attack critics? 68.187.225.13
Probably something to be said about politics and the "Democracy and Jazz" statement thing, considering WM's oft stated views about the lack of democracy for African Americans (valid or not).  Relating it to "no America, no  jazz" as a statement was odd and it was apropo to nothing at any rate.
Marsalis is a controversial figure and I think the criticism section is warranted.  But Lester Bowie was definitely never in the Modern Jazz Quartet.  Whoever wrote that should clear it up.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.2.155 (talk) 18:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: I've checked a number of sites and they don't seem to agree on release dates for the albums. If anyone can confirm some dates and add missing albums, I'd be glad to format it. JoeTrumpet 04:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I once read an interview where Wynton said he ignored classical music until someone told him "blacks can't play classical music."  Does anyone know where I could find that interview?
Mingusboodle (talk) 17:30, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Classical 

message: Some overly zealous editor has been creating blue links to persons, when this should not be done for album titles.  Album titles should only have wiki links if there is already a wikipedia article for the album title in question. Prior to my corrections, "Mozart" would lead to an article on the musical figure, not to the particular album in question. Dogru144 (talk) 19:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Protocol in discography

message: I like Wynton Marsalis and have no gripe against him. The "criticisms" seem like sour grapes. Despite the edits, the article still has the flavor of fluff by a PR firm. Also, there should be some note that he comes from a family of accomplished jazz musicians. His father and five brothers are well known artists. They are relevant to his story.Tldoran (talk) 02:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed much of the fluff. The criticisms are payments in kind. You wanna talk mess, then you get mess.  As for "sour grapes" that depends on whether you agree with them or not, but to say so is a baseless supposition or suspicion, unless cited by RS's. In any case, the critics are notable, many and cited. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 04:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  PR fluff, and family connections 

message: There is an abundant amount of POV pushing in the criticisms section.  While it is well referenced there are entire statements that don't come from sources, such as the opening of the section:
Marsalis has been criticized by some jazz musicians and writers as a minor and limited trumpeter who pontificates on jazz, as he did in his 1988 opinion piece in the New York Times "What Jazz Is - and Isn't".
When both of those sources are checked, nothing along those lines can be found, particularly the loaded words like "minor", "limited" and "pontificated".  All in all I feel the section is valid as Marsalis is certainly a controversial figure in jazz with his adherence to traditional jazz.  The section just seems to smack of editorial and probably suffers from a WP:WEIGHT problem as well.  I may have a hand at editing it some but figured I would let those who may have already worked on this some to chime in.
--WGFinley (talk) 04:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As much as I agree with the first paragraph, line - OK I wrote it - we do have an obligation to keep editorial POV out of it, and the particulars that are cited are damning enough of Marsalis to stand on their own. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 05:25, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms POV 

message: the criticisms before the awards and recognitions; i've never seen another wiki article structured that way. the 'controversies' and 'legal troubles' and the etc etc are always after the plaudits. 24.20.121.172 (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Fittingly his mouth eclipses his talent. The Artist AKA Mr Anonymous (talk) 03:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  why 

message: It seems almost unnecessary to have an entire section devoted to criticism, especially regarding Marsalis' musicianship. Critical reception/opinion is usually reserved for discography and the wikipages of individual works. No other artists or musicians have a section like this regardless of whether they are good or not.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.30.243 (talk) 21:42, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: See above. Rothorpe (talk) 22:16, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critcisms (Why?) 

message: I took Wynton's brother Mboya off the intro as he's not a notable musician like the rest. If the consensus is to list all brothers, there is also another brother not previously included, Ellis III, who is not a notable musician.  Musicandnintendo (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Why no mention of his wives and kids? Intentional or just no one has yet done it? Homeboy (talk) 18:14, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable Family

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message: How is this unique or any kind of achievement? Every major artist has likely performed on every continent except Antartica. There is no reason for this to be here. Oats11 (talk) 04:12, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Marsalis has performed and spoken on every continent except Antarctica?"