Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 18

message: Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/A-class review could use some more reviewers. Anyone willing to do so is more than welcome. John Carter 16:00, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  A-Class review 

message: Edward Teller is currently being subjected to a Featured Article Review. If you want to contribute to this discussion, please do. Regards, Daimanta 20:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edward Teller FAR 

message: Anne Frank has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.  --lincalinca 04:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anne Frank FAR 

message: When changing articles on minor figures to redirects, what should be done with the workgroup box and the categories on the article talk page? I just now changed  Thomas Rindom and Philip Rindom to redirect to the article on their mother, Countess Desirée of Rosenborg and do not know if I should remove the categories and box altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 17:11, 30 October 2007
:Under the circumstances, I think the talk pages of the redirects could have the banners removed from them. As long as an article contains content on a living person, the BLP template should remain in place. Right now, the mother is still living, so there's no real problem. Upon her demise, whenever that happens, if the content on her sons remains in place in her article, then just keep the BLP tag in place. Otherwise, I can't see any requirement for keeping either the banners or talk pages on the current redirects. John Carter 13:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: changing to redirects

message: These departments are very disorganised. I propose merging A-class review and Peer review into one department. There's no need for two pages. See here and here for other project organisations.
I also suggest doing away with Vandalism entirely. There's no need for it because of the number of RC patrollers we have. Maybe it could be turned into a task force in conjunction with WP:CVU--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 15:00, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Department re-organisation 

message: Hi there. The Preity Zinta article has recently achieved A-class status. Due to the wealth of support I have decided to now nominate for an FA class article which I believe and judging by the comments of others is pretty much up to. In my view it is better than some existing FA actor articles. I would therefore be very grateful if you could give it a final review in your own time and leave your comments and views at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Preity Zinta. Thankyou, your comments are always valuable.  ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦      "Talk"?  10:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Preity Zinta FA

message: 600px|center
What is Tag & Assess MMVII? It's part of a Wiki-wide call for volunteers. A month or so back, we ran a script to list all the articles in categories related to military history. This gave us about 165,000 articles. Some of these are already tagged and assessed as military history; some are military history but not yet tagged and assessed; some are not military history articles at all. This huge project — working thorough 165,000 articles — is called Tag & Assess 2007. To make it manageable, the list has been broken down into 330 ranges each of 500 articles. This is where youcan help.
Just... adopt-a-range from the available worklists then keep track of your tally on participants' list. The tagging is easy, just follow the simple instructions. Afterwards, as our way of thanking you, you'll be presented with service awards and barnstars based on the number of articles you process. Remember... the ranges are broken down into sub-sections of ten articles, so you work through them at twenty or thirty articles a day if you wish. To make Tag & Assess 2007 a success, we need your help. Please sign up now. Thanks. --ROGER DAVIES TALK 09:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Help please

message: The is a new bot User:Erwin85Bot that will count article sin a category and output the total into a table. The WikiProjects Australia and Aviation have used it to create Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics and Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Maintenance. To give you an example of how your project can use this bot, I've created Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Maintenance/Backlog. This page will be updated by the bot at 12:00 UTC. If you wish to use this bot, or have any questions on its operation, you can contact the owner, or myself. - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 01:30, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maintenance backlog help 

message: Karl Dönitz has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Peter Andersen 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Karl Dönitz FAR

message: A minor style dispute has arisen over the correct style to use in a biography of a deceased person, in mentioning his widow and children, over the correct tense to use.
*X is survived by his wife Z and children A and B
OR
*X was survived by his wife Z and children A and B
The latter style is the default tense when talking of a deceased person, however it can be argued that, as the wife and children are still alive, they continue to survive the subject, and that the present tense is appropriate, and that it is also the style routinely used in off-wiki obits.
Thoughts?
Mayalld 12:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style when refering to a (still living) widow and children. 

message: Is now at Featured Article Review, so please take a look, and help the article keep its featured status! Judgesurreal777 21:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Elizabeth I of England]]

message: Hi, over at the football wikiproject we have been discussing new notability and deletion guidelines regarding football biographies. The original discussion can be seen here. The current suggestion can be found at here. Any comments from this project would be welcome. Any other suggestions on where to post this would be welcome as well. Thanks. Woodym555 00:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Football player notability guidelines 

message: Ludwig Wittgenstein has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. One Night In Hackney303 16:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ludwig Wittgenstein FA review

message: Anne Frank has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --RelHistBuff 16:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anne Frank FAR 

message: Thomas Mann is in need of additional cites. -- 201.53.4.206 19:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Thomas Mann]] needs additional cites 

message: Peter I of Russia needs cleanup and additional cites. -- 201.53.4.206 21:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peter I of Russia]] needs cleanup and cites 

message: For the benefit of anyone here who doesn't have WP:BLP's talk page watchlisted, I have proposed an amendment to the policy here regarding the use of appropriate images in biographical articles. In short, I'm proposing a BLP policy to protect against the use of Creative Commons and public domain images that may serve to demean or disparage the subject, particularly images that are so obviously of an unattractive nature (wherein common sense comes into play, not POV). Comments in support or opposing are welcome. 23skidoo 21:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggestion to expand WP:BLP to include images

message: Hey, a newcomer keeps removing the infobox from the Banksy bio. I would appreciate some help from this project in explaining why infoboxes are a necessity in biographical articles. Thanks, VanTucky Talk 01:14, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I guess the best answer is they aren't a necessity, but rather a content guideline. I wish someone more experienced than me were here, but so far as I know here goes. The purpose of the infobox is to basically supply the basic information from the lead in a more concise manner. The big question regarding a lot of these articles is that they can be rather long, and the basic information one might be seeking won't necessarily be presented as quickly and obviously in the article. This article might not have the required content to need an infobox, but it is definitely useful, and basically if unofficially required, to have in the event an article ever hopes for a GA or FA rating. John Carter 01:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Common sense also applies. The infobox in this case is embarrassing. "Training: The street"? The infobox tells you next to nothing and looks horrible. My advice - bring the infobox back when it has been redesigned so it looks nice and can actually communicate its information in a reasonable manner. Carcharoth 01:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

text: VanTucky, there is no consensus on the use of infoboxes with biographies. Many of the best biography writers on wikipedia despise them, because they attempt to simplify the complexities of any individual into a couple of fields.  There is usually nothing that can be said in an infobox that can't be summarized in the lead of the article. John Carter, it is not accurate to say that they are "required" or "preferred" in good articles or featured articles. –Outriggr § 01:54, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Small problem 

message: I have proposed an amendment to the Subsequent uses of names section of Manual of Style (biographies) to the effect that when an article deals with two or more people of the same surname—for example, married couples and family members—it is acceptable to refer to them by their first or given name. A great many articles already use this approach so updating the guideline is merely reflecting widespread current practice and providing a clear standard to follow for future articles. The proposed text and discussion is here.
--ROGER DAVIES talk 07:57, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposal to amend [[WP:MOSBIO]]

message: I see that  is, if anything, bigger than ever, without even any attempt to systematically populate it.  Anyone have any thoughts of working on these?  Would this make more sense if split out by work-group, or would that just be shoving things around to equally little result?  Alai (talk) 20:45, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  periodic {{cl|uncategorised people}} poke 

message: I have proposed splitting :Category:Year of birth missing and :Category:Year of death missing, two categories within the scope of this WikiProject. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Splitting Category:Year of birth missing and Category:Year of death missing?. AecisBrievenbus 00:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Village Pump proposal: splitting Category:Year of birth missing and Category:Year of death missing 

message: Carl G. Fisher has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Epbr123 (talk) 14:06, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Carl G. Fisher]] FAR