Talk:Final Fantasy VII/Archive 3

message: I am going to start going through the talk page and moving old discussion to the end under an archive section until we are ready to move them into the actual archive area. If there are any objections to this, just yell at me. Tetsuo 15:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk clean-up

message: What the hell? The compilation had its own article, and for good reason. I also saw no talk for merging. I'd like to know why.
~regruBgniK
There was a merge tag actually.
:Personally, I thought the article was better alone. The compilation is continually growing and its cluttering up the FFVII article, and it was easier to just go to the compilation page rather than trudging through the FFVII article to get to the info.--Claude 06:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why was Compilation merged? 

message: My comment was based on having played both versions, nothing more. I don't recall anyone ever saying "Shit" in the PC version, which happens on a fairly regular basis in the PSX version, for example. PurplePlatypus 22:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually read an article in GamePro magazine before the game was released in the US that said the ESRB was considering giving the game an 'M' rating due to the whole Honey Bee Inn thing. If I could find the issue it was in, we could include it in the Title and release information heading. ~ Hibana 23:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I skipped the HBI on my only complete playthrough in the last few years, so I don't actually know how that came out in the two versions. I was only referring to the dialogue. But this does sound like a potentially interesting line of inquiry. (I know some of the dialogue most in need of a better translation was around that part of the game, too.) PurplePlatypus 03:32, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can substantiate this; a number of instances of profanity which remained in the Playstation version's script were rendered as comic symbols in the PC version's script.  I have no idea WHY, but... UOSSReiska 22:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship 

message: An anonymous user seems to have just spent a great amount of their (free) time putting two spaces between all the sentences in the article. I know that this is gramatically correct, but does this even matter on Wikipedia? You could put five spaces and it would still appear as only one space in the actual article. ~ Hibana 18:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spaces 

message: Right, now there's  which I unceremoniously put on all of the character pages. Currently, it links to FFWiki and Square-Enix FF7 site.
Now, it also has fields for fanlistings, but apparently some people went to delete them from some of the character articles. My original idea was to add a link to each character's fanlistings.net-approved™ somewhat prestigious® fanlisting, which was infinitely more fun than watching people add zmillions of links to Random Sites. At least with fanlistings on the articles, we could point to their link lists.
So what's the idea now? I could fix the remaining articles to have links to fan listings and then edit the template to link to them. The remaining issue is, do people agree having links to character fan listings would be a good idea? And does anyone have any good ideas on where else to link to, besides ffwiki and official site? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 16:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: May I ask why you felt is was neccsary to use a template? It seems a bit overkill to me. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  *furious confused head scratching* Ummm... guess you meant something else. It did occur to me that this might be a bit complex way, but if we have a bunch of characters that are described in several places, why not? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 19:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  A template is a good way to deal with a single link that appears slightly differently on many pages. (As with an interwiki link.) A Final Fantasy Wiki template can be used on more than just the characters from one game, it can be used in practically every Final Fantasy releated article here on wikipedia. It is the grouping of several links for just the Final Fantasy VII characters that confused me. As for why not, well I don't have a reason. I've just never seen it before. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 19:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character links template 

message: I was wondering if anyone could post up a Chronological timeline of all the events through out the FF7 game and Advent Children. Maybe starting from the earliest event with Jenova.
Sounds like a good idea, with all the different sources used within this article it is extremely difficult for somebody without prior knowledge of the sources to know the correct order. Plebmonk 17:16, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a nice idea but most of the sources are probably fanmade. ScotchMB 12:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chonological Timeline 

message: For the merger of Compilation of Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VII technical demo, see a discussion here. ~ Hibana 20:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging in articles

message: Why are some words fully capitalized every time. Arent we suppose to put them in italics if we want them to stand out? Tutmosis 18:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you are talking about AVALANCHE, SOLIDER and WEAPON. These aren't capitalized in order to stand out. These are proper nouns, in which the capitaliztion is the correct form to render the name. (They were capitalized this way in FF7's script.) --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 19:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caps Lock 

message: In an attempt to reduce the lead section, I created seperate headers for sales/reception and allusions/influences. Deckiller 21:03, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead section 

message: Does anyone feel like this page is ready for Good Article status? I've gone through and worked on the entire thing today to try get it there. Let me know, please (and feel free to nominate it). Ryu Kaze 17:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I nominated :) I worked on this page a bit in the past too, so I'd like to see it up to GA status. Plus, it leaves us with only a few more to go. — Deckiller 23:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article status? 

message: The intro has four paragraphs.  Wikipedia:Lead section suggests that four is suitable for articles with over 30,000 characters, but this article only has about 20,000 characters.  How about shrinking it down to two or three paragraphs? Shawnc 00:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All set, I added the info in the last two paragraphs to its own section. — Deckiller 00:14, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good, thanks. Shawnc 21:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  intro paragraph length 

message: Just a random issue: Tifa and Cloud character pages had external links that looked like this:
* Final Fantasy Wiki | Tifa Lockhart 
I fixed them up so they're consistent with the other links, like this:
* Final Fantasy Wiki article on Tifa Lockhart 
I have a small issue with the former, sorry for being largely humorless here - those weren't formatted like most other external links. Links certainly don't use cutesy pipes. Pardon me for the opinion, but that sort of stuff only has place in either sites maintained by 12-year-olds, or in more "artful" or "entertaining" sites maintained by grown-ups. And this is supposed to be a boring dry encyclopedia. =)
The further beef I have with these links is that they're in "[[<source> article on <topic>]]" while most of the external links follow the format "[[<topic>]] <in/on/at/under/in front of/behind/between> <source>" format. I think they'd better work in format along the lines of
*Tifa Lockhart at the Final Fantasy Wiki
Righto? Unless someone objects strongly, I think I'll change them later. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:49, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A template might be a good way to deal with this. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 18:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I think so. I was about to do some external link research, maybe I can templatify that while I'm at it. I'll be on to it shortly. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 22:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Character ffwiki links 

message: This is going to cause significant problems in the future.
1.) By adding 120+ references, it proves that "OMG, these other video game featured articles have only 50! FARC time!"
2.) By adding 120+ references, it makes the other video game FAs (from an outside standpoint) look "uncomprehensive", which perhaps dooms all future attempts and perhaps even past attempts.
Not trying to insult anyone; this is a real concern of mine. People will think that "OMG any video game should have 130 references!" — Deckiller 04:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't thought about this before, but I completely agree with your concerns. Obviously some games won't require as many references because their content won't touch the length of skyscraper articles like Final Fantasy VII. I've only given the article in its recent form a cursory read; I'm going to assume (see good faith) that none of the references are "vanity references" (references hastily shoved in expressly for the glorification of the massive "References" section). Therefore, I can't see that we should remove any references. To address Deckiller's concerns, we should probably bring this up in WikiProject Computer and Video Games (to prevent said FARC drives). I don't have any other real solution. On a lighter note, I am impressed with what's happened to the article over the past couple weeks. :) --Tristam 04:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, it's only been a day and a half :-P — Deckiller 04:46, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL. Shows how much I'm able to keep up with all the FF articles. On a less sarcastic note, it also shows how damn fast some of you guys are. I'm STILL trundling along at a snail's pace on my super-duper revision of the Square Co. article. :P --Tristam 04:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to be about as fast as Ryu, but I've been bogged down with massive 10+ hour shifts at work. By the time I get home, I'm just too tired to edit. I'll get the bulk of Final Fantasy IX done tomorrow, though. — Deckiller 04:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Thanks again for taking over. If I stop getting sidetracked then the Square Co. page will eventually look great. --Tristam 04:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, thank you for letting me :) We basically have a formula down now, so video game FAs should continue to be pumped out like McDonalds hamburgers IF this 135 reference issue doesn't get to the FA voters. Heck, the Bush article has about 40 percent of the references! — Deckiller 04:55, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The formula is certainly nice, although I tried to diversify FF9 a little bit. Sometimes it feels like the "character performance in battle is determined by numerical values (called "statistics") for attributes such as speed, health, and so on" gets a little old, but it has to be said. Personally, my favorite video game FA is probably Katamari Damacy, since it is very easy to understand even though I've never played the game. Accessibility to the non-expert is always the most noble of priorities. EDIT: Oh, and Katamari Damacy only has thirteen references. :D --Tristam 05:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Extremely concerned

message: Final Fantasy VII was released on PlayStation and Windows, first in Japan. Is it incorrect to display the North American cover for the PlayStation? Featured article Final Fantasy VI uses the  Japanese famicon cover and featured article Final Fantasy VIII uses two infoboxes. I think it would be best to use either: 
* A second infobox for the Windows version
* The original Japanese PlayStation cover
* The game logo
I realise Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 use the North American PlayStation cover, but they have not featured multi-console releases. --TheEmulatorGuy 04:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I forget where it is (there are too many style articles), but we're supposed to go with the image that would be most familiar to an English audience or best represents the subject. The Japanese cover is used at Final Fantasy VI because it actually says "Final Fantasy VI", whereas the NA cover said "Final Fantasy III". The Windows version's cover actually was on here. I guess somebody must have removed it without me noticing. Hm. Now that it's been brought up, I wonder if it will affect the layout of the gameplay images any if it's added back. It probably should be, though. Ryu Kaze 14:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I removed the Windows cover when I condensed the infoboxes. We really only need one image for identification; the recurring themes are Cloud, industrial machinery, and greys and greens, all of which are present in that cover. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough point. It was a good idea to remove it for that reason, if nothing else, but the fact that it helped the page layout certainly doesn't hurt. Ryu Kaze 19:15, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox image

message: On the character section why does Cait Sith go to its Celtic history and not the character? Anyone on a page about FFVII and finds a link to a character would not be wanting the link to the orgin of the name or word and instead want the character himself. But instead of just changing the link myself I want to make sure this wasn't something I did not know about. So any reason it is like the way it is, anyone opposed to moving it to the character? J-Axe
:That was just a link error. With names like "Cait Sith" and "Sephiroth" you have to put "(Final Fantasy VII)" after the active part of the link. Ryu Kaze 14:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cait Sith?

message: I dunno if anyone else has noticed, but in the screenshot for a battle, Barret's name is spelled "Barrett". Just a heads up. Axem Titanium 22:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Barret/t?