Talk:Anna Vissi

message: Greekboy recently highlighted the need to clean up the 07/08 section, something that has been apparent for months. I do however suggest that we wait until the album(s) has/have been released, so we can purge all the rumours about who might participate etc, remove significant portions about who's said what about it etc., which can be condensed into one paragraph. Hence, while we DEFINITELY need to clean it up, my personal recommendation would be to wait. Queer As Folk (talk) 03:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree we should wait, but there is some simple clean up that can be done in the meantime which is what I meant. (Re-wording, sourcing, neutrality).  I will look at it better tomorrow when I have time, to see what can be done.  As I said in the edit summary, I posted fast and didn't take a good look at the whole section. :p Greekboy (talk) 06:32, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

text: First of all, the syntax still sucks and there are still some rather exaggerative remarks regarding Mrs. Vissi's career. Furthermore, can the claims about "Demones" attracting Broadway agents' attention be verified? Elp gr (talk) 18:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Additional attention and sources are needed throughout. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:42, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of 07/08 section 

message: I improved the grammar, syntax and wording (to make it look more encyclopedic) in the '83-'90 section. Elp gr (talk) 18:16, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karvelas-era section (somewhat improved) 

message: If you look at other musician's articles, even FA, they all show a sample of the artists studio and live albums. The discography page is meant to show details and other albums and works that do not fit in as the artist's most notable works and would otherwise make the page huge. Mariah Carey's article (FA), for ex., includes her compilation albums too, which I find overkill, however it's not really fair that Vissi's discography not be included b/c it is larger than most artists'. I just wrote so that we do not keep reverting our edits circularly. GreekStar12 (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discography 

message: I realize that this was probs the ip user who put this info in, but there needs to be a source for the attendance numbers of the tour. I am thinking about actually creating this article. If Sony BMG had attendance info about Paparizou's tour last year, then they will most likely have something on Vissi. BTW, there were many tours this year other than Vissi, incl. Hatzigiannis, Vandi, Remos, Papakonstantinou, and Rouvas. It is unique that so many top artists tour at the same time, so a good way to actually view the success of her tour is to compare, if this info is available. Also, I think we should discuss what is a "success", and i doubt that 250,000 in 23 (or 26?) cities is actually record breaking. At the time of Vissi's first concert in Athens, her, Hatzigiannis and Rouvas' concerts were simultaneously advertised as they were only one day apart; I remember the comparissons being made by the media, since Vissi and Hatzigiannis had sold out concerts at Theatro Vrahon, which holds 6,000, while Rouvas' concert was sold out with 50,000 at Kallimarmaro, which was actually declared a record-breaker. Assuming that Vissi's concerts were all sold out, she is obviously playing much smaller venues, so it has to be evaluated if it was actually a success overall for her. Paparizou's tour last year 195K in 29 stops, was generally considered a success for her, although only one venue was sold out; I doubt that it would be considered a success for Vissi though.GreekStar12 (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Apagorevmeno Summer Tour

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message: I see that much information is false like this one: "Her album Kravgi still remains the best-selling album of the 2000s, and one of the top five best-selling of all time". 
The best selling album in Grecce the last twenty years, according to IFPI, is the album "Gia" of Despina Vandi. Also, the album of Anna Vissi "Kravgi" is the eighth best selling album but since 1985 until today not one of the best selling album of all time. Finally, Anna Vissi since 1995 received less than 30 platinum. Her platinum is not even 25.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.131.141.164 (talk) 12:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And your proof is? Kravgi was certified 7x platinum. Since it is a double cd, it counts twice for every sale since certifications are based on discs. In 2000, the threshold was 50,000 so times 7 is 350,000 and divded by the two discs is 175,000 copies. Gia, also a double cd, only went 4 times platinum with the same thresholds, making it about 100,000 copies. This information is sourced. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 13:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: No, Gia went 4 times platinum with double, so it sold 200,000 discs, but only 100,000 sets, unlike Vissi's 175,000 sets off 350,000 discs. Gia is 4x plat vs Kravgi which is 7x plat. How can you argue, they are both double discs so it is clear. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: If the information is correct, then I have no problem with it being changed to reflect it, however, you need to show your source. You cannot just say IFPI says this and that, you need to provide a link to a website, book, etc so that it can be verified. In order for something to be sourced properly, readers have to be able to go to the reliable source and see for themselves. If no source is provided, then the information must be removed. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 18:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: As long as the website is reliable (history of fact checking, staff of editors, etc) that will do. The video has to be online through some official means (by the network or someone who owns the rights to the show) otherwise its a copyright violation. You can source the showing of the show by providing the name, the host, the premiere date, your view date, and the network it was shown on. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Sure, but you still need the rest of the information. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 19:35, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

text: The chart show in question is the one hosted by Natalia Germanou, that was used to create the ill-fated "Best selling" page on Wikipedia. It was deemed an un-reliable source, since there are many contradicting sources and the show itself does not get an IFPI endorsement. They use private methods of calculating totals instead. Greekboy (talk) 20:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Assuming that IFPI would sue them if what they were saying was not true, is a big assumption on your part, and that is not allowed on Wikipedia. Like I stated, there have been MANY different sources in the past that all contradict themselves. Second, like I also stated, "Chart show live" uses private means to calculate the numbers. Those representatives on the show ARE NOT directly from IFPI. Though Germanou says they use the IFPI Charts in their calculations, that does not mean they are directly from IFPI. What they do is look at the charts and make their own estimates/numbers. The two representatives on the show, Petros Dragoumanos and Kostas Zikos, are NOT from IFPI. Petros Dragoumanos is the author of a Greek discography sales book/DVD that is released since the 90's, (Which is where they get their statistics from...) and Kostas Zikos has done various things in the music industry for years such as being a radio host and DJ. As you can see, these sales are privately compiled. Greekboy (talk) 11:58, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Just because IFPI did not sue them doesn't mean they are right. First of all, they aren't saying that these are IFPI endorsed numbers. They are only saying that they used IFPI charts to form the calculations. Which is legal, so there would be no reason to sue them. Second, Mr. Dragoumanos is no where on IFPI.gr. From all the biographies and information of him I have found online, I have not seen him being affiliated with IFPI in any way. Here is some information about Mr. Dragoumanos:  . Everything online only mentions him being the publisher of those Discography books/DVDs, and in no way affiliated with IFPI. Here is some information on Mr. Zikos (from the station he works for)  The fact is, that you have are the one that has no proof to your claims. You have no proof either that the chart show numbers are officially endorsed or true either. Greekboy (talk) 14:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To be completely honest, Greekboy doesn't have to prove why you're sources are bad, you need to prove that they are good. The burden of proof lies with the editor wishing to add information. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

text: As Grk1011 stated, it actually lies with you to prove that your source is good. Your claims have been false, and you have provided no reliable source. Your only source is the television show, which I have watched myself, and they do not claim that the numbers are compiled or endorsed by IFPI directly. Regarding Kravgi being 7x platinum, it is sourced in the article. There are also countless articles online that state it went past your claim of 3x platinum. In fact, here is an archive from IFPI itself from January 3, 2002, showing "Kravgi" at 6x platinum at that time. Greekboy (talk) 12:23, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Like I said, it was 6x platinum on that week's chart back then. It obviously sold more and was bumped up to 7x platinum later, which is what Vissi's official site lists too. Regarding viewing old content/versions on websites, you can use this website  for that. All you do is put in the URL where it says, and it provides archives/snapshots of most* sites during certain time periods. Greekboy (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  False information 

message: This page needs major clean-up. I'm putting a tag up. --Teo628957 (talk) 13:17, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: What specifically do you have an issue with and what have you done to address these issues yourself? Grk1011 (talk) 14:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: Totally unnecessary section. The fact that Anna was against the Annan Plan is true but details about the Plan (which are also subjectively formulated) are unnecessary. Engelleip96 (talk) 20:15, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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