Talk:Schooner

message: Removed Image of Cisne Branco, as she is a full rigged ship, not a schooner  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.229.114 (talk) 20:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed image

message: Is the Étoile really a schooner ? I am asking this because she has a square sail on top of her foremost mast; does this change anything ? Rama 16:16, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The definition of "schooner" is clear when talking about a two masted ship--if the foremast is shorter or equal to the main (aft) mast, and it's primarily fore-and-aft rigged, then it's a schooner; if the shorter mast is to the rear, it's either a ketch or yawl depending on the position of the aft mast relative to the rudder--a ketch sets the mast forward of the rudder, a yawl aft.  A single square rigged topsail is acceptable on a schooner.  Anything that has square sails and fore and aft sails might be considered a hermaphrodite; see for example Hermaphrodite brig.  A ship with a gaff rig on the rearmost mast (called a spanker) is still considered square rigged, and wouldn't qualify as a hermaphrodite.  The 3 masted ship you are talking about would probably be a barquentine.  scot 15:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The ''Étoile'' 

message: Some of the vessels listed as "famous" schooners don't even appear to be notable, let alone famous.  Should we arrive at some sort of criteria for what constitutes a "famous" vessel to avoid this turning into listcruft?  For that matter, is there a page elsewhere with such guidelines? Susan Davis 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm paring the list down to a bare minimum and moving the rest to an off-page List of schooners. Most of these boats don't warrant mention on this page, but apart from List of tall ships (which is for currently active vessels) and :Category:Schooners (which is for boats that have an article already), this information isn't compiled elsewhere. Presumably a list will prove useful.  --Fullobeans (talk) 02:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Schooners 

message: The listing for Red Witch -- and the vessel's own web site -- claims that she's a topsail schooner, but she's not equipped with yards for carrying a square topsail.  Is there some fact about her that's not apparent that makes her a topsail schooner? Susan Davis 21:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would guess that they mean that she carries a gaff topsail. Mangoe 21:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Red Witch'' 

message: How does this rigging compare to the classical "ship" rig? What are its advantages?
The article doesn't go much beyond just listing what 'makes' a schooner. It would be much more useful
if it would actually address how the schooner rig impacts the perfomance of a ship. MCSmarties 12:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Part of the definition of a schooner rig is the fore-and-aft aspect, which differentiates it from older two-masted designs which where primarily square rigged.  The advantages of a schooner over the equivalent square rigged brig or a hermaphrodite brigantine have to do with the pros and cons of the rig.  A square rigged ship offers better downwind performance, and far inferior upwind performance; the large number of small sails on a square rigged vessel don't require the material strength of large fore-and-aft sails, but require more crew to handle.  Now, the question is, since the discussion of performance is in no way unique to the schooner, what's the best way to organize the articles?  Maybe there should be an article comparing and contrasting the rigs, with a link to that from this and other articles where it would be of use--otherwise the same information would need to be replicated in numerous other places, such as, in this case, brig and brigantine.  scot 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

text: As I understand it, a schooner (or any other fore-and-aft rig) is more efficient when the wind is abeam.  Schooners were therefore much in demand for coasting work and offshore fishing.  Square rigs or mixed rigs are more economical for ocean crossings, though this can yield to special circumstances: the start of World War I and commerce raiding in the North Atlantic meant that a single successful Atlantic crossing by a schooner would turn a profit on the construction cost. J S Ayer (talk) 13:56, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advantage of the schooner rig? 

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message: Article should make some mention of these (eg. Wapama (steam schooner)). Drutt (talk) 08:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Steam Schooner

message: "Modern schooners may be Marconi also known as Bermuda, rigged. In Bermuda, such schooners had appeared by the early 19th century, and were known as 'Ballyhoo schooners'. Some Bermudian schooners of this period are historically referred to as Bermuda sloops[citation needed], despite having a schooner rig. Some schooner yachts are Bermuda rigged on the mainmast and gaff rigged on the foremast.[citation needed]"
"Bermuda rig" has been known since the 17th century.  There is no such thing as "schooner-rig".  Schooners can have any sail plan they want in any combination.  What makes a schooner is that they always have two or more masts, with the foremost mast shorter or equal length as the aft mast(s).
I will remove this entire paragraph as there is too many errors in it.
74.61.22.12 (talk) 08:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paragraph is wrong 

message: The gallery of schooners includes the Spirit of Bermuda, which has a foremast, mainmast and mizzen. Is this really a schooner? --Captqrunch (talk) 14:43, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is, as it has more than one mast.74.61.22.12 (talk) 01:17, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spirit of Bermuda a schooner? 

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message: My father left me cartons of his life style, yachting as the Captain of many yachts, for people in America, South of France and UK.  The Cruz del Sur, apparently sailed from the UK, to the Bahamas....... I have a log book.  Along with that I have an undated newspaper cutting of the Hall family, Meg, Patrick and son Ian sailing this schooner from the UK to Bahamas the Hall family apparently had a sailing school in Newton Ferrers Devon.  I am interested in this event, as a historian and caretaker of my father's paperwork.  I would like to know how my father came to be in possession of the log book, and his association with the Hall family.  It might be something that they would like.
My father was also the Master of Errol Flynns Yacht Zaca during the 50's. I have the log book dating from 1946, and many photos and communication between Errol Flynn and my father, lots of lovely photos of the yacht also.
I have many other log books from the ships, etc., that dad worked on over a period of 25 years.  I also have a large collection of WWII photos taken in the Atlantic arena....dad was in the RNVR, I have a load of poems and words of songs, typical sailor songs.
Bonny Cother  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.126.71.197 (talk) 17:08, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cruz del Sur 

message: NA word.
Example: http://www.tallship.ca/rig.htm 
D1gggg (talk) 15:05, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  tern schooner 

message: :I spent some time today looking up images of the oldest illustrations of schooners mentioned in the article. I'm putting these here because it's probably interesting to include the illustrations themselves alongside their mentions. Having no experience in editing Wikipedia articles, I don't consider myself competent to edit the article without an experienced editor's opinion, so I'll leave these here for someone more experienced to decide whether or not to include them.
:The yacht of the mayor of Amsterdam in 1600: https://mitmuseum.mit.edu/collections/object/CC-F-0063
:Near Amsterdam in 1638, schooners on the right: https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/nl/collectie/RP-P-OB-70.098
:At Nieuw Amsterdam/New York in 1627, a schooner on the right: https://blogs.baruch.cuny.edu/art3254lupsa/files/2009/09/New-Amsterdam.jpg
Zowie van Dillen (talk) 13:44, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oldest illustrations of schooners