Talk:Springfield Park Elementary School

message: I've added the faculty and staff information from the school website.  Lmcelhiney 19:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Faculty and Staff information 

message: I'm the one who tagged this page. When I tagged the page, it was on this revision. I still don't think that this page has earned its space in wikipedia. A list of teachers, in my point of view isn't enough. It lacks sources, and the notability isn't demonstrated yet. Nevertheless, a CSD notice isn't needed anymore, I hope that this page will improve in time. Have a nice editing on wikipedia by Snowolf (talk) on  19:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Snowolf-  Agreed!  I might have been better to be "stubbed" than deleted, however, there are many ways to get from point 'A' to point 'B'.  I just came aboard cause the editor seemed to be struggling...  Of course, new articles have the scrutiny, but there are a lot of school articles with less information than this one which are out of the line-of-sight.  Maybe this will give others a vision of what they can do to start.  Thanks for your support.  Larry Lmcelhiney 19:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After all, I consider myself an inclusionist, so I should be more tolerant than the rules ;-) by Snowolf (talk) on  20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing CSD notice 

message: The vandalism of Springfield Park Elementary School is a patent violation of WP:POINT. I don't know what your problem is, as you refuse to provide any justification for your malicious edits. Any notability issues with the article are more than satisfied, and your failure to specify your concerns here regarding the issue demonstrates the malice behind the action. As to the ludicrous claim of a WP:LAUNDRY issue with the article, the article itself states that "A laundry list is a lengthy item by item enumeration". Do you honestly believe that three administrators of a school constitutes a laundry list. Specify your reasons for denying notability or walk away. Alansohn 18:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To every contributor I offer two mutually-exclusive options: engage in discussion, or brand me a vandal.  Nobody gets to do both.  There will be no discussion.  Chris cheese whine 18:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see any attempt at discussion on your part. You have maliciously edited this article in violation of WP:POINT. Your claims of non-notability lack any support or explanation. You have violated WP:3RR by repeatedly reverting legitimate changes without explanation or justification.  You were warned on your talk page and you are being warned here. Alansohn 19:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You fail to see any attempt at discussion because you went ahead and chose option 2.  Chris cheese whine 19:22, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You were repeatedly asked for explanations and you repeatedly refused to provide them. Removal of material without valid explanation or justification is vandalism. Alansohn 13:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: False issues of notability

message: Abbreviations need to be explained at the first mention as they will not be understood by an international readership. For instance what are the K-3 and K-5 teams which took part in the chess tournaments? Dahliarose 09:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Abbreviations 

message: Lists of extracurricular activities (with two items) have been deleted from this article, as has a three-person list of administrators. In the case of administrators we were told that the list violated WP:LAUNDRY. With extracurricular activities, the statement "and again with the lists" was used as an excuse for removal. WP:LAUNDRY. Most importantly, Wikipedia:WikiProject Laundromat is a project, not a policy, and simply cannot be used as a justification to do anything. The project itself states that The goal of Laundromat is specifically to search and destroy laundry lists, and salvage usable content therein and turn it into well-written text. Unfortunately, no effort was made to "salvage usable content", but rather relevant, sourced material was simply removed in arbitrary fashion. Unless anyone has an objection that can be backed up by a genuine Wikipedia policy, these items have been restored and will be reinserted if removed again. Alansohn 13:11, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lists

message: The school's chess team has won two state championships. reliable and verifiable sources have been provided to establish these facts. This establishes notability under WP:SCHOOLS criteria 2: "The school has gained national recognition for its curriculum or program of instruction, or for its success at the national level in extracurricular activities such as art or athletics. For example, the school has been recognized with a notable national award, has won a science competition at the national level, or its athletic teams hold a nationwide record. Or, the school has gained recognition at the regional level in multiple such areas." The article clearly meets the standards of notability set by this project. As such, the notability tag will be removed. If any user has reason to challenge this explicit claim of notability, no reason has been provided at any point in time on this talk page for this article. If notability is still being challenged, an AfD should be created so that we can get community consensus on the subject. Alansohn 13:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: A neutral third opinion is being sought to address the issues regarding the dispute over application of "Importance" tag and inclusion of details on extracurricular activities and school administration, following the process specified by Wikipedia:Third opinion.
*Importance - Notability has been established through documentation of the fact that the school's chess team has won two state championships. reliable and verifiable sources have been provided to establish these facts, which establishes notability under WP:SCHOOLS criteria 2. The "Importance" tag has been removed for this reason. User:Chriscf insists that notability has not been established. Suggestion to create AfD has been refused. Extracurricular activities and school administration details have been added, including appropriate sources. Text was removed as a violation of WP:LAUNDRY, which is a WikiProject, not a policy. When text was reinserted in sentence form, user claimed that material was "unencylopaedic". Alansohn 17:29, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Third opinion: I don't think winning the state elementary school chess championship is very notable. It is also only one area and WP:SCHOOLS suggests that the "school has gained recognition at the regional level in multiple such areas." I suggest that the way forward is to submit the page for WP:AFD. Grouse 21:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that Chris should not re-add , but should submit an AfD instead if he wants to pursue this. I don't understand what justifies not participating in the voluntary parts of the dispute resolution process. Grouse 22:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Third opinion