Talk:Esmond Romilly

message: "His mother was a daughter of Lady Blanche Hozier (1852–1925), daughter of the 10th Earl of Airlie and married at the time to Sir Henry Montague Hozier (1838–1907); however, her biological father may have been Wilfred Scawen Blunt, poet, anti-colonialist, and co-founder of the Crabbet Arabian Stud. [1] Romilly was therefore a nephew of Winston Churchill's wife, Clementine Ogilvy Hozier."
This is very confusing. Neither of his parents is actually named. Who was his father? Who was married to Sir Henry Montague Hozier, his mother or his grandmother? Whose biological father may have been Wilfred Scawen Blunt, his mother or his grandmother? And how is this relevant to Romilly's life? Intelligent Mr Toad (talk) 10:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have tried to clarify.  Pronouns make it difficult.  I don't have Esmond's mother's name, but she was a sister of Clementine.  It is important in that it shows how well-connected Esmond was, and what exactly he was running away from.  To have an anti-colonialist as one's grandfather is a useful background fact about Esmond. BrainyBabe (talk) 00:17, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Parentage

message: I think the description of Romilly's family and background is much better than a few days ago, but a couple of things still need to be resolved.
1. Uncle -- my understanding is that the spouses of my parents' siblings are my uncles and aunts.  "We're going to see Aunt Beth and Uncle Seth" not "Aunt Beth and her husband".  The article at uncle backs me up on this, as does the Oxford English Dictionary.  It is true that the OED offers the alternative "uncle-in-law" but the last citation is 1779.  If there is a need to be particular, then I see no problem with "uncle by marriage" (as opposed to "blood uncle" -- e.g. in cases where genetic proximity matters, blood donors and the like).  Thus, I conclude that the current sentence,
"the frequent though not strictly accurate statement that Romilly was Churchill's nephew",
is itself not accurate.
2.Churchill -- there is an objection to my description of him as a "powerful politician". Would "prominent" be better?  At the time of Romilly's birth, Churchill was very senior in the War Office. He became Secretary of State for the Colonies in 1921, and then Chancellor of the Exchequer in 1924.  Even in his "wilderness years" he maintained a large public following and kept his seat in the House of Commons; his writings earned him a substantial income, and he had the ear of men who mattered.  At the time of Romilly's death, Churchill had been Prime Minister for about two years.  What clearer explanatory phrase could be appended to his name?  BrainyBabe (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Glad this could be settled so quickly and amicably! BrainyBabe (talk) 07:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Churchill as uncle 

message: Added the link to the earls of Southesk. Esmond's grandfather Samuel Romilly had married a Lady Arabella Carnegie. One of Esmond's Carnegie cousin married Princess Maud in 1923, soon after ER's birth. It seems that that relationship, which would have been important in the 1930s, was conveniently obscured by the glare of publicity around the Mitford sisters. By contrast, Churchill was out of power in the 1930s, though often in the news; if he had died in 1938 few of us would know much about him.86.46.221.236 (talk) 07:02, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Royal cousinage

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