Talk:Free jazz

message: Didn't I read that the album "Free Jazz" was given its title by someone at Atlantic without Ornette knowing about it, and that Ornette himself didn't even like the name? It's a small point but if others concur then I think it's worth correcting it.  Ornette 15:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ornette & "Free Jazz" 

message: Is anyone else bothered by the nebulous & rather misleading opening sentence: "Free jazz is a movement of jazz music characterized by diminished dependence on formal constraints."  It seems to me neither accurate nor helpful.  Free jazz replaced many of the traditional features of jazz (especially those established by bebop and hard bop) with new ones. (In some cases these "new" features were actually a resurrection of earlier jazz values in a new context--for instance, the collective polyphony of early jazz bands.) ND 14:36, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a very good point!Gingermint (talk) 21:42, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sentence 

message: Hey could someone get audio samples of some standard free jazz music? Zouavman Le Zouave (Talk to me! • O)))) 18:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, it's recent enough as a movement that it's still under copyright. Though there are sites like Church Number Nine that post copyrighted free jazz recordings. --ND 12:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, there are samples of copyrighted material on Wikipedia, and it wouldn't hurt to have a minute or two of Cecil Taylor vs Ornette Coleman vs Sonny Sharrock, or something, just to show the progression. 129.81.180.29 (talk) 20:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Samples 

message: Previously, the instrument list listed only sax, trombone, guitar and drums. i'm no free jazz expert but what free jazz i've heard has definitley had piano (Cecil Taylor, Paul Bley) and double bass. If anyone has any objection to this addition, change it but at least give a reason. Glassbreaker5791 21:47, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instruments 

message: I've also heard free jazz called out jazz, and there's some mention of that here. Can someone make an out jazz redirect to here? 66.71.70.134 (talk) 05:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Out Jazz" 

message: I'm seeking opinions on the roles of these articles at :Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jazz#Free jazz and Avant-garde jazz articles - opinions sought. Views welcome there. AllyD (talk) 19:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a note that the discussion has since been archived, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jazz/Archives/2009_1#Free jazz and Avant-garde jazz articles - opinions sought. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article and [[:Avant-garde jazz]] article - same territory? 

message: I removed the following sentence from the definition section because, in context, it made no sense:
:This eventually led to the concept of “soul” in the 1960s.
At the end of a long discussion of how free jazz developed, this sentence is, at best, a non sequitur, but it is also factually incorrect.  Can anyone offer an explanation for how it got there? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only thing I can think of along these lines is an "Eddieism" that Eddie Harris wrote. His definition was something like, playing with maximum regard to feelings and minimum regard to technique. But this wasn't in regards to free jazz, which he defined as (something like) everyone playing independently but connecting via ESP. -- Gyrofrog  (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My thought was that an editor who expanded the section left in a stray sentence from an earlier version, perhaps?  In context, as I said, I can make no sense of it.  Free jazz and soul jazz are rather different creatures, so I do not think that is what is being referred to. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soul music? 

message: It would be great to see some musical examples and a little more technical stuff about the harmony and, in general, the theory found (or intended) in the music. Something that a musician interested in this subject could find useful. Gingermint (talk) 21:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not possible. I would point you first of all to Ekkehard Jost's eminent study Free Jazz (1974). It takes a whole book merely to describe the different approaches, so there is really nothing to be gained from generalizing about harmony and other theoretical aspects, because they varied so widely from musician to musician. 82.176.209.52 (talk) 22:01, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harmony and Musical Examples 

message: It was brought up on the Reference desk/Entertainment that this article's brief mention of Bill Dixon is inadequate in comparison to his role in the movement.  Although I am not very knowledgeable on the subject, it seems the New York Times might agree:  , .  However, I do not feel confident enough to edit this myself and decided to post this here instead.  —71.20.250.51 (talk) 08:20, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I linked the single mention of Dixon in the current article, which is the least that can be done. As an article, it should probably extend to have more on the movement as well as prominent individuals, hence taking in the Jazz Composers Guild (organised by Dixon ), AACM, Globe Unity Orchestra, etc. AllyD (talk) 17:01, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'History' section is quite large; it should be broken down into subsections (by somebody more familiar with the subject than me).  —71.20.250.51 (talk) 20:03, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bill Dixon]] 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is nothing at all in this article about the work and influence of Chicago's Association for the Advancement of Creative Musicians (AACM), and of other similarly-minded musicians, except for a single mention of Anthony Braxton.  To me, this seems to omit a major thread of free jazz, but I myself am not knowledgeable enough to address this. (AllyD has mentioned this same issue several times, above.) Acwilson9 (talk) 04:54, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  AACM, etc. 

message: Apparently the 1945 record "The Atomic Era" by Bud Freeman and Ray McKinley (Majestic Records #1031) is the earliest free jazz, even earlier than that recorded by Lennie Tristano later in the 1940s. Source 173.88.246.138 (talk) 23:16, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Earlier free jazz than Lennie Tristano