Talk:Hüsker Dü/Archive 1

message: So, this article hasn't been significantly changed in 2-1/2 years. The original lacked factual information in favor of a musical analysis; in rewriting it, I tried to balance a band biography with an explanation of the group's importance. --ESP 22:46, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC)

message: The sound clip "Broken Heart, Broken Home" contains a sound, I'm pretty sure it's unintentional. It sounds like the person who recorded the clip got an MSN messenger message while recording.
listen here: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=HuskerDuBrokenHeartBrokenHome.ogg&wiki=en
:There may well be a "found" sound on the song, but it's not likely to be accidental--or, if it was an accident, it's one they decided to keep because they liked it.  Our Band Could Be Your Life mentions a band--Sonic Youth?--that found that they had recorded a song on tape that had previously had a fiddle band recorded on it, and you could hear the backward fiddle in the background.  They thought it sounded cool so they released it like that.
:You probably know there was no MSN Messenger when Zen Arcade was recorded, right? I assume it's an analogy and not a hypothesis. Nareek 00:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The song I was thinking of was "Creep in the Cellar" by Butthole Surfers. Nareek 00:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not talking about Husker Du, the band, we're talking about whoever recorded the clip of "Broken Heart, Broken Home." Precisely because MSN Messenger did not exist in 1985, it's easy to tell that the sound in question is not from the original recording. 24.124.16.165 02:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accidental sound 

message: I didn't understand this revert, since the edits seem kind of clean. I'm thus reverting the revert. If there's a problem with the edits, please post the reason for reverting here. --ESP 03:16, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revert? 

message: Hi, I'd just like to say I really like this biography...especially the "Overview" that describes the band's sound. I'm not sure if the users' comments complaining about this page below are still true, but I found it an informative read. --Stuart mcmillen 11:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: I like it

message: :Re-added a ref to Mould and Hart's relationship. Circa '85, it was an uncontroversial statement around the Twin Cities. It was only later that it became a 'likely fabricated' rumor. Mould and Hart's tedentious relationship had a lot to do with their artistic split. Auto movil 17:14, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they were drag but definitly gays : i really don't understand why it is not mentionned at all in the whole article  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.65.154.53 (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drag Queens? 

message: What a mess!  This article is an example of the worst of Wikipedia: The screed about the umlauts (which used to be the FIRST paragraph of the article) is pointless, rambling, badly written, and conveys no information about the band, its music, or its influence.  It might be interesting as part of heavy metal umlaut, but it really doesn't belong here.  The fact that 20% of this article is devoted to this worthless paragraph is an embarrassment.  It ought to be deleted.
In addition, I can't believe that the unverifiable (and likely completely fabricated) passage about drag queens was ever part of the article.  Whether or not they were gay has nothing to do with the music or the band.  Husker Du was not a "gay band", and Mould is still reticent to discuss it.  This isn't Frankie Goes to Hollywood.  Sexual orientation belongs on biography pages, not band pages.
:Perhaps you don't know that this is WIKIpedia, not BITCHYpedia. If you have some problems with the article, fix them instead of complaining. Jeez.
:I'm taking that stupid "cleanup" template out of the page. Every page on Wikipedia can use some work, and there's no reason to single this one out. If you feel it really needs some attention, add it to your personal TODO list. --ESP 02:37, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tried to get the paragraph to stop arguing with itself and only offer non-assumed information. Brodo 03:25, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm glad the mess about the name was cleaned up, but I had to add that "Hüsker Dü" doesn't mean anything in Danish or Norwegian, "Husker Du" does. Were I a personal acquitance of other Wikipedians, I'd launch into a rant about Anglosaxons not caring a toss about accent marks or umlauts, but I'm not, so I'll skip that.  — JIP | Talk 17:02, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just awful 

message: It boggles my mind that I have read 100 issues of MRR and not once have I read the word Husker Du.  If you know this big mag then you know that there is something amiss.  I guess one could say that there is a big lack of Husker coverage in this flagship zine.  It is very odd, at any rate.  For a Husker reference see an article I had a strong hand in:Disciples of Annihilation.  They work with Jello.  .--McDogm 05:54, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: MRR?

message: Is it really necessary to list every single band that's ever mentioned Husker Du as an influence? Why not just say something like "Husker Du is regarded as a major influence on modern alt-rock" and name maybe a handful of better-known bands? Bcarlson33 15:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree on this point. To me, music articles on Wikipedia overprioritize "influence," often to the neglect of saying just what it was the artist did in the first place to have exerted such an influence. The paragraph here is an example. Ccoll 07:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences 

message: ld
I took out the section as it didn't add any info that wasn't in the lead. Nareek 00:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personnel 

message: Husker Du... someone was correct in stating they are both punk and alternative. I must say there is a total lack of real information about this powerfull trio here. 
My suggestion to all of you who have commented in this discussion is listen to the music. You will notice Grant's vocals v/s Bob's. This is a band of uncanny versatility. Husker Du is both alternative and punk and should be recognised in both catagories as true pioneers of originality. They are without a doubt the most underated band of the punk era.
So... let,s get the facts straight then tell the story the way it should be told. Let's show some well deserved respect to Grant Hart and Bob Mould.(this entry was unsigned) 
:This belongs in a different section of the talk page, but whatever. I'd question how they're the most underrated band of the punk era- reviewers were falling over themselves to blubber on about how great the Huskers were, and they were one of SST's best-selling bands. Also, while I'm sure your intention was to cheer on a band you like, isn't using phrases like "listen to the music" and "get the facts straight" is a little condescending? I've "listened to the music" for going on 25 years, I think I have a good sense of what they sound like. So do lots of others here. Nobody's failing to "show respect to Grant Hart and Bob Mould." Bcarlson33 12:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: When I created the infobox I merely used the image already on the page as a placeholder.  However, this image is too large and distorts the box.  Can someone add a smaller picture of the band for the infobox and move the promo photos farther down in the article? WesleyDodds 00:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The infobox picture might be a little big. But it's more that there are 2 pictures, which seems unnecessary. They don't look much different in the second one.Ccoll 05:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's basically what I'm saying.  The picture is too huge for an infobox.  WesleyDodds 13:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox picture 

message: I removed the following line from the article:
:Mould also responded to fan Julian Nasti's suggestion that "...the band get back together for a gig in Hunters Hill Bowling Club Carpark" as "...insane and not the words of a man who values his life." Therefore it is reasonable to conjecture that Mould has no intention of reforming Husker Du any time this side of hell freezing over.
It looked like a prank or vandalism to me. There was no source for the quote, the fan's name is unnotable (it's probably the name of whoever did the edit), and the line was folded in front of an external link to a Bob Mould blog entry about the Mould/Hart performance at the Karl Mueller benefit. In any case, not AGF, and very uncool. If there's any truth to this instance/quote, provide proof before posting any old bullshit. --Cjmarsicano 04:20, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced factoid and quote. 

message: How do you pronounce their band name? I've heard it pronounced in a Joan Rivers clip with the band on YouTube as Hoo-s-ker Doo.
: The U's in Hüsker Dü is prounounced like the U's in you. --80.202.211.5 15:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronounciation 

message: I noticed there was sort of a disclaimer on the Flip Your Wig article about the sound of the records vs. the compact discs (which have yet to be remastered, if they ever will be . . .). I added this same disclaimer to all of their SST releases (since to me their two Warner albums have very good sound quality in comparison). The change I made on the Zen Arcade version was reverted, so I thought maybe we could all decide of what significance this issue is, records vs. non-remastered cds. I own most of their catalog on both cd and record, and I can tell a marked difference in quality in favor of records, especially on their early albums up to Zen Arcade; they sound much better on record. --piper108 23:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the original note on Flip Your Wig. I could see a case for it not being encyclopedic, but it's debatable. The issue is about the Hüsker Dü archive's accessiblity to the average music listener. And the SST CDs really are markedly weaker than the LPs (I wouldn't, by the way, say that about Everything Falls Apart--that was a Rhino release with bonus tracks, archival information, and, I thought, a decent remastering). I would hate to think new generations of potential fans are judging those albums by the available CDs. If the SST story is discussed anywhere in Wikipedia, maybe it should be linked to these album pages. Ccoll 05:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound on cd vs. record 

message: lmfao at vh1. statues was the only post-punk song husker du ever recorded and it was making fun of it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.16.193.253 (talk) 04:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  post-punk 

message: Removed because of being irrelevant?--h i s   s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 07:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it didn't fit in the article. 80.202.211.236 16:41, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: References to homosexuality are removed from most Wikipedia articles over time, because most people don't want to see them.  See the Little Richard article, for example.  It's a form of gradual censorship.  65.190.89.154 (talk) 01:45, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  It no longer says anything about the band's gayness in the article 

message: Could anyone upload the Hüsker Dü-logo here? 80.202.211.236 14:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: Why is there no references to their homosexual relationship??  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.192.172 (talk) 21:46, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Hart and Mould have denied this, so i don't see why it should say anything about their "homosexual relationship". 80.203.123.166  —Preceding comment was added at 20:10, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homosexuals 

message: How do you pronounce Hüsker Dü? I think there should be something in the article about this.  23:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's "Hoosker Doo". WesleyDodds (talk) 05:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Moved from mainspace by CloudNine (talk) 23:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: :Moved from mainspace by CloudNine (talk) 23:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In popular culture

message: Shouldn't the term "power pop" be used in the article, in relation to this group? Badagnani (talk) 03:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Power pop]]