Talk:Tahitian language

message: The Tahitian language is featured in the famous Mutiny on the Bounty, where the I-charactre is supposed to compose a dictionary of the language. What must we beleive of this story? Was this dictionary actually written, and was the author's name really Roger Biam (or something like that, I don't clearly remember)? If so, I think it would be worth while, even desirable, to name that in the article. Caesarion 18:53, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that the writers (Nordhoff & Hall) took the original crew list from the Bounty, wiped out one person and replaced him with the fictional Roger Byam. The dictionary must be equally fictional.--Tauʻolunga 00:31, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Mutiny on the Bounty''

message: Can someone render "Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien" and "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Tahitian? Thanks! Chris 14:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien]]

message: I have looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_by_language . It would appear that there are no templates like ,  for Tahitian. :( Chris 06:53, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: User ty

message: What's the indigenous name of the languaeg? I'm asking because we call it Reo Tahiti eg. Lonely Planet's South Pacific Phrasebook () refers to it as Reo Mā'ohi... Any clues? FreshBreeze 09:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the language 

message: I'm not a big fan of comparisons of English pronunciations (especially vowels) to a language's inventory, but French is especially problematic.  So I took it out.  We should cite sources on the phonetic information.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 00:36, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: French comparison

message: The Tuamotuans do not speak Tahitian; they speak Tuamotuan. Try telling the Tuamotuans at www.reko.pf that the language that they are using is Tahitian. However, they do speak Tahitian as a second language, which is considerably different from Tuamotuan. Thus I have edited the main article to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maori rahi (talk • contribs) 04:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tuamotuan IS NOT Tahitian

message: I have been recently expanding the article with translations from the tahitien language article at fr:wikipedia.teinesaVaii (talk) 13:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Expanding from french wikipedia

message: A Tahitian and English dictionary, with introductory remarks on the Polynesian language, and a short grammar of the Tahitian dialect: with an appendix containing a list of foreign words used in the Tahitian Bible, in commerce, etc., with the sources from whence they have been derived (1851)
https://archive.org/details/tahitianenglishd00davirich
Du dialecte de Tahiti, de celui des îles Marquises, et, en général, de la langue polynésienne, ouvrage qui a remporté, en 1852 (1853)
https://archive.org/details/dudialectedetah00gausgoog
Îles de la Société Tahiti. Considérations géologiques, météorologiques et botaniques sur l'île. État moral actuel des Tahitiens ... Grammaire et petit dictionnaire tahitien (1860)
https://archive.org/details/lesdelasocittah00cuzegoog
Marquesan legends (1930)
https://archive.org/details/marquesanlegends00hand
Rajmaan (talk) 15:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Materials and sources on Tahitian 

message: The infobox states there were 46 759 speakers according to the 2012 census. The reference noted of Ethnologue (17th ed., 2013) however doesn't confirm this newer number, but states there were 63,000 in French Polynesia (2007 census). Population in all countries then: 68,260. I don't doubt the newer number, just outline that the reference given is no proof for it. Any sensible reference for the 2012 information would be welcome. --ThomasPusch (talk) 18:27, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Kwamikagami two minutes later just removed the unsourced number of 2012, putting the sourced number of 2007 into the infobox. That's ok with me. --ThomasPusch (talk) 18:35, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of speakers 

message: I chose the tahitian language to review because i want to learn a little bit about the different polynesian cultures. There are a lot of similarities between the tahitian and hawaiian languages, with having almost the same amount of letters in the alphabet, pronouncing the vowels the same. Some of the differences include an addition of “f”, and t, instead of k, and r instead of l. this article is very good as there is a lot of information with the letters, and how they should be pronounced. Also there is examples of sentences with translations, whether it’d be singular or plural to show how the language is spoken. And there is a good use of citing sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism.
Kainoasc (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Compared to Hawaiian

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: In digital docs, written words should use letters for sounds, not punctuation marks, per the coding concepts of Unicode. But, since it's not clear if Tahitian will use a 6-shaped ('okina) or 9-shaped apostrophe, and people are used to a straight apostrophe, I changed everything to a straight apostrophe, which when Unicodified means the saltillo. (Otherwise it's a punctuation mark rather than a letter.) I even used a capital saltillo in a few places, though that might be going overboard. Sub with l.c. if that works better. — kwami (talk) 02:46, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a rather odd choice. The Fare Vāna'a (Académie tahitienne) uses either ' U+0027 or ’ U+2019. There’s no reason to assume this should be the bicameral saltillo. This article should either use the ambiguous ' U+0027 like the Fare Vāna'a uses on their online dictionary or use ’ U+2019 like it does in some PDFs or on Graphie et graphies de la langue tahitienne §7. Other conventions, like Lemaître, use ‘ U+2018 (or ʻ U+02BB) but the Fare Vāna'a does not. Even then, there are no conventions that use uppercase straight apostrophe, so ' U+0027 should be used as is if that is the one used. --Moyogo/ (talk) 08:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Neither of those would be appropriate for us, because they're punctuation marks, not letters. The first would be Unicodified as the saltillo  and the second as the combining apostrophe . There aren't any caps any longer in the article. — kwami (talk) 08:25, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is your interpretation. Please cite a reference that indicates saltillo should be used in this or similar situation. --Moyogo/ (talk) 08:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

text:  The saltillo characters are encoded for the languages that use strictly (meaning "non ambiuously") straight apostrophe (in particular a bicameral one). The initial proposal to encode a stricly straight apostrophe was rejected, see https://www.unicode.org/alloc/nonapprovals.html, and only the proposal for bicameral strictly straight apostrophe was accepted and added those characters, see L2/06-259R: “The intent is to have a character for glottal stop (other than the glottal stop phonetic symbol) that is unambiguous and will not be confused with apostrophe or quotation marks. [...] The distinction with LATIN SMALL LETTER SALTILLO is that the user communities that developed this character (independently!) have explicitly intended this to be tapered, straight, vertical, and in many cases long, precisely to distinguish it from apostrophes, quotation marks, accents and stress bars.” Tahitian, for Fare Vāna'a and the territorial authority, clearly does not stricly use the straight apostrophe as the curly 9-shape is also in use. --Moyogo/ (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

text:  The Ministry of Education also uses the straight and 9-shaped apostrophes, see https://www.ebooks.education.pf --Moyogo/ (talk) 10:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicodified 

message: Wondering why in Tahitian, saltillo “may be” used, rather than straight letter apostrophe, I’ve edited the Typography section accordingly to provide a full choice.
Consider that Moꞌorea with saltillo becomes MOꞋOREA in uppercase, compared to MOˈOREA with .
The phrase “…it has become natural for writers to use the straight apostrophe for glottal stops, though to avoid the complications caused by substituting punctuation marks for letters in digital documents, the saltillo (ꞌ) may be used” looks okay to me except for the choice of the replacement. Shouldn’t this stay the same size in uppercase?
Thanks for clarification. — Hnvnc (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's relatively uncommon for languages to capitalize a glottal stop, whatever character is used. No evidence there's any casing in Tahitian. All-cap text might be different, but that would be a stylistic choice. — kwami (talk) 08:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Tahitian really use (casing) saltillo rather than a straight letter apostrophe?