Talk:Dead End Kids

message: This article needs to be split into Dead End Kids and The Bowery Boys. East Side Kids, which they played in the early 40s, already has its own article. It's silly for the Bowery Boys, the name they are best known by, not to have its own article. The names of the characters and the setup (in Louie's sweet shop) are different. If no one else has an interest, I may try to do this myself, but I've never seen any BB films all the way thru, just Dead End and They Made Me a Criminal, both of which are DEK films. --Tysto 02:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the Junior G-Men? That article is currently a stub, giving it as a single flick, but they made more than one, and should count as an incarnation of the DEK. Bobanny 22:37, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Junior G-Men and its sequel will eventually have their articles expanded when time permits.  Feel free to expand on them now if you have the means.  In addition, they are not DEK films, but Little Tough Guys films, and are listed under that article. Donaldd23 23:34, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I just expanded the Junior G-Men article (and had my question answered in the process), and I redirected the sequel there as well. I didn't expand on the film serials, but broadened the scope of the article to make it more about the general pop-culture phenomenon, drawing from the only scholarly source I've seen on the subject. Apparently both serials were pretty bad, (by the standards of both serials and DEK flicks), which is what most of the google results I found said, usually in no more than a sentence or two. I can't imagine anyone being motivated to spin separate articles for them any time soon, but that option's always available. Apparently they were part of Universal's "Little Tough Guys and the Dead End Kids" series. Bobanny 05:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bowery Boys

message: In the second paragraph I found this gem, "and began working on the 1937 United Artists' film, Dead End." WTF,seriously. Dead End was a Samuel Goldwyn production. Goldwyn distributed his films through UA at the time, but I believe beyond that UA had no claim to the film. A.Scott Berg's excellent biography of Goldwyn goes into detail about his long association with UA, perhaps something there would clarify this and be a "reliable source". It seems unlikely that UA was involved in the production as Goldwyn was largely self funding, often using profits from his last production to make his next film, and borrowing money when needed from the Bank of Italy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Artists_films   States thus; distribution only; produced by Samuel Goldwyn Productions.
There is one reference given for this paragraph.
 
"Hayes, David and Brent Walker (1984). The Films of The Bowery Boys. Secaucus, NJ: Citadel Press."
Since there was no link I didn't waste my time trying to find out if the reference for the entire paragraph was relevant to this statement or if these authors were just passing along bogus info, as is so common in books about film.  
Any help with this would be appreciated, and IMHO help move Wikipedia from being an UNRELIABLE source on film to being a reliable one. 
Thanks,      Jonel469 (talk) 03:44, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: History Section.

message: According to their individual Wikipedia biographies, Jordan was born April 1, 1923, and Punsly on July 11 of the same year, making Punsly more than three months younger than Jordan.Maccb (talk) 03:25, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Bobby Jordan was the youngest member of the group." 

message: where is appropriate place to note the homage to dead end kids in Motherless Brooklyn?Scranton (talk) 11:50, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: In a section called 'In popular culture', but there would need to be a source that identifies it as an actual homage, and not just using the words "dead end kids". DonaldD23 talk to me 17:56, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  motherless brooklyn 

message: in the last paragraph: 
 
"The original play has had two revivals. A 1978 adaptation played at the Quigh Theatre in New York, N.Y. and another in 2005 at the Ahmanson Theatre in Los Angeles.[2] In 2022, a musical adaptation of the play was produced as a concept album available for digital download. The adaptation was written by Neil Fishman (music), Harvey Edelman (lyrics), and Peter C. Palame (book) and published by Sammy Smile Music LLC."
firstly: What does "New York, N.Y." mean? If it is New York City, I think just calling it so would be better, as it was done in the beginnig of the article, too and as Los Angeles also ist just called "Los Angeles" in the same sentence.
 
secondly: In the second half (about 2022) someone put in TWO directlinks. It could of course be from lack of knowledge – I myself am not completely sure yet how to make footnote-references from them yet – but feels like marketing. Could s.o. transform them into proper footnotes?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3037:41A:C285:1:1:F59D:6463 (talk) 09:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  issues in Epilogue section