Talk:Odinic Rite

message: For dab
Communita Odinista are good friends and comrades of the Odinic Rite but are not a part of the OR. Can you tell me where you read on their site that they are part of the OR? 
I agree that the Kindred listing is more informative than that of hearth but to say that the basic unit of the OR is a Kindred is simply not true.
As for proving the existence of OR France, I can only point you to certain pages where ORF is mentioned such as a book by ORF member, an article by another ORF member  and the contact email for the group wyrdiana@wanadoo.fr . The section is headed by Arnbald OR who is a regular guest at the OR Great Moot in London so I have no reason to doubt his existence.
Also, why all the links to Else Christianssen pages? I don't mind but there is so much more that could be linked to. Hengest. Odinic Rite Information Officer.
thank you Hengest; I am currently trying to sort out the involved relationships of all these organizations, and since you seem to be very well informed, your contributions are very welcome. It is true that the CO do not claim to be part of OR: I found "Italy" listed in the article already, and figured it must be them. They also seem to be rather more nationalist and less concerned about political neutrality than even the OR. As for the French group, I found reference to them too, and of course they can exist without having an internet presence. There seems to be no mention of them on French Neopagan sites, however. Do you know when they were formed, and whether they are still operational? Concerning the German ORD, I found that they claimed organizational independence from the OR 'trunk' in 2004, while the OR itself still claims them as a 'branch'. I figured this may be a question of tactical representation with regard to the Germans, both the Neopagan subculture and the public, as opposed to internal fealty; or again it may reflect a genuine split within ORD, I don't know. Regarding hearth, all that is noted there that in OR terminology, it is synonymous to Kindred. If that is incorrect, maybe you should fix it. Regarding the Christensen links -- I don't know. I suppose we should remove them, since they are also on Else Christensen. I would much prefer a clean list of links to the various chapters. dab (ᛏ) 12:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Communita Odinista

message: somebody has inserted a reference to "Asatru" at swastika. afaik, the Odinic Rite are the only group who explicitly claim the "fylfot" as a historical sacred symbol, so I directed the link here, and am inserting a reference to the claim. dab (ᛏ) 16:53, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Fylfot

message: I feel that it would be more fitting for the White Horse Stone incident to be seperate after the History and Structure etc. I will add some more to the history but may also have some more activities to add which will complement the WHS part. I am unsure how to make changes to the Contents box though. Hengest 15:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contents

message: Although interesting, I found the article rather indigestible to read - if it can made easier to read and more flowing, it would be much improved. Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: Odin a god of the norse see right? and thore is his son right? there are frost giants and
 trolls and demon and such right?  My fathers family can from hungary the language spoken the
 is the closest languege to some of the baltic languages in the world.  I am white my parents
 are white.  some of my ancestors didn't come from black africa but are egyptian.  What as of
 any do you know about the corrrelation of odin to cain and the caininits of the bible,  what
 as of any corelation do you know of between thore, hamin at ore (the minataur of greece) and
 Horace the egyptian god.  seeing as how the norse people migrated to the baltic sea and some
 of them over to the mongolian regins of the world from the south do you know of any
 correlation at all? And yes I know norse means north.  and I am part w.a.s.p. for whatever
 its worth  I am related to a family named war that is supposed to be out of the north seas.
  I do realize this question was part of the nazi endevore but my curiosities are for different reasons. 
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.14.129.251 (talk • contribs) 
your question seems to boil down to "is there a relationship between Norse paganism, Ancient Egyptian religion and the Biblical descendants of Cain?" The answer is, apart from universal mythological archetypes, very little. Norse paganism as attested in the 13th century already shows some Christian influence, and it can be argued that some aspects of Odin or Baldr are modelled after Christ. Snorri Sturluson in the 13th century speculated that the Æsir had come from "Asia", that is, Scythia, by what we would call "Thraco-Cimmerian" cultural influence on Iron Age Europe. The Scythians in turn saw some Mediterranean / Near Eastern influence, for example, there are suggestions that the word for "hemp" entered Germanic via Scythian from an ultimately Near Eastern source. Regarding Cain, Beowulf derives Grendel from Cainite ancestry, which, if the work dates to the 8th century, may have some bearing on actual pagan opinion, but Grendel is of course a monster or troll, not a god. I think that is about all that can be said on the subject. dab (𒁳) 15:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  if you know odinism please answer my question. 

message: The_Book_of_Blotar seems to be little more than an adjunct to this article so it is proposed to merge it here.--GeezerBird (talk) 23:30, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. It seems the person who added Book of Blotar, Nine Noble Virtues etc was trying to add as many entries as possible when in reality they are integral parts of the Odinic Rite. Hengest (talk) 18:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

text: Also agree.  There are no independent sources for either of the articles, but might as well include any information on the book in the article on the organization which is essentially the sole source of the information about the book. PubliusFL (talk) 08:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Merge April 2010

message: Somebody seems intent on smearing the Odinic Rite with allegations about alleged political affiliations of former members. The OR web site and the Wiki article clearly state "The OR website has a disclaimer to the effect that they are politically neutral and that members who involve themselves in political activity do so as private individuals not as representatives of the Odinic Rite." so any attempt to link the OR to the far right based on the private views of a few members is ludicrous. The OR is a denomination of a religion. We don't see anything about the political affiliations of the odd two or three members of other faiths. Hengest (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Political Smearing

message: Moved to talk because insufficient WP:RS RJFJR (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There seems to be a number of users who are sympathetic to the organization that scrub any mentions of racism from the article. I believe that this is a mistake, as there are a number of reputable secondary sources describing the OR's racism. Both "Northern Gods for Northern Folk: Racial Identity and Right-wing Ideology among Britain’s Folkish Heathens" by White, E. and "Corpus Linguistics and Ideology: A study of racist discourse in the Odinic Rite website" by Thomas, D. cover the racism pervasive throughout the organization's site and publications. Chapter two of Norse Revival: Transformations of Germanic Neopaganism, by Stefanie von Schnurbein, mentions the OR as being explicitly racialist.
Given multiple peer reviewed sources, it seems like an oversight to not mention the racism of the OR, or at least the accusations thereof. The organization's denials of being racist or their claims of their own identity shouldn't factor in to their description on Wikipedia. To quote the manual of style: "When there is a discrepancy between the term most commonly used by reliable sources for a person or group and the term that person or group uses for themselves, use the term that is most commonly used by recent reliable sources." Given the reliable sources describe the organization as racist and white supremacist, it seems like we should be using those terms. Alexander-Of-The-Monday (talk) 00:47, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Alexander-Of-The-Monday, I restored it in the lede, as clearly some BS is being practised there despite 'racial' being used and BUP membership being mentioned in sections below. The lede isn't there to somehow normalize a fascist organization's rationalizing nonsense. The real motive behind the group's membership is very clearly not some supposed religion, but racism, and if anything should be relegated to sections below it's the former. If it's scrubbed again I'm asking others, elsewhere... 88.104.31.40 (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I’ve removed it because the racism is self-evident from links and article body, adding “racist” is redundant since neo-volkisch is by definition racist. Dronebogus (talk) 08:42, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:12, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:13, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racism 

message: I was bold and did an extensive rewrite of the article, and managed to replace all but one of the affiliated sources with independent ones. It also addresses the concerns brought up in the previous talk page section. Any comments? Skyerise (talk) 16:33, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks a lot better than it did before, thanks for doing the hard work. Hopefully no more propagandists come along to "fix" the article again. Alexander-Of-The-Monday (talk) 10:38, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

text: I am a Alsherjagothi of The Odinic Rite of Midgard and would love to talk to you and update you on the direction of the Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: I want to update the site with facts and also introduce the existence of The Odinic Rite of Midgard which is one an the same with The Odinic Rite. HvíturÚlfurORM (talk) 19:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  TRUTH & UPDATE ON ODINIC RITE