Talk:Oil refinery

message: The history section currently states: "In fact, obtaining a licence to build even a modern refinery with minimal impact on the environment (other than CO2 emmissions) is so difficult and costly that no new refineries have been built in the United States since 1976. As a result, the US is becoming more and more dependent on the imports of finished gasoline, as opposed to incremental crude oil."
However, there's been some pretty mainstream work suggesting that collusion between oil companies rather than restrictive environmental regulations has been the major cause of the lack of recent refinery investment.  In any event, it seems unreasonable to blame environmental laws for the US dependence on imported gasoline without something more to back it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DashingDan@gmail.com (talk • contribs) 13 July 2006 (UTC)
:I would tend to disagree with both above suggestions. I assume we are talking about US refining? There certainly are complications with proper permitting for refineries, not only environmentally, but also due to "not in my backyard" mentalities in many proposed locations. There is NO conclusive evidence to indicate collusion on the part of refineries or oil companies. Stories certainly circulate, but nothing has ever been proven. I believe it to be a matter of profits. Most refineries in the US are only now beginning to run at or near 100% efficiency (most in the 90% range of design). Older and less efficient refiniries have been closed. The industry had excess capacity for years. Current demand can be met and there is talk of building new refiniries to meet the coming increase on the demand side. CBreeze 16:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Found a reference, made a few edits.  I thought even Helen Keller could have made the connection between "no new refineries in the United States" and "higher gas prices at the pump".Lowellt 04:10, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No new refineries - more dependence on foreign oil is not a cause and effect relationship.   There haven't been many new refineries, but old ones are being added to and expanded all the time. Multi-billion dollar capital expenitures are ongoing all the time to expand and upgrade the nation's largest refineries.  A lot of the reticence of oil companies to invest in huge new refineries is uncertainty of the industry's future.  Fuel alternatives and emerging technologies don't ensure that an expensive new refinery will be able to run at capacity for a long period of time (like CBreeze said).  Deatonjr (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of new refineries 

message: This should probably be at Petroleum refinery since oil has more meanings than just petroleum. Also vegetable oils are refined too, so oil refining has more meanings than this article suggests. If the article is at oil refinery it would have to cover both, which is awkward. Any thoughts? - Taxman Talk 13:04, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
:I fully agree with you.  Many of the oil and gas related articles are poorly titled.  --Csnewton 15:46, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. "Petroleum" properly speaking just means the light fractions of the distillation. It is a refinery for Crude Oil. --BozMo talk 09:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: This Good Article nomination is on hold for 7 days for the following reasons: Expand lead, see WP:LEAD, and there are too many short, stubby paragraphs and bullets. Rlevse 15:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Failed due to no response to concerns. Rlevse 23:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA nomination

message: The largest refinery in the world is located in Paraguana, Venezuela. Is called CRP (Complejo refinador paraguaná) and is conformed by two deep conversion refinerys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.11.242.49 (talk • contribs) 16 August 2006 (UTC)
:What is the capacity? CBreeze 17:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The largest Refinery 

message: i rally want to know what is the most accurate theory that explains the origin of petroleum
is it the biogenic one or the abiogenic one
thnx
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lv4ever888h (talk • contribs) 07:13, 5 November 2006
: The biogenic theory has the largest amount of supporting evidence but has weaknesses which alternative theories try to explain.  (SEWilco 17:58, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  i have a question 

message: I'm just wondering if the typical reader knows where Garyville, LA is.  I was going to just change the article to read (Marathon Oil's refinery in) Garyville, LA" instead of "Garyville", but thought I would ask for some feedback first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrrich7 (talk • contribs) 17 November 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, that refinery is in Louisiana and I will change the article to include that. (By the way, please sign messages posted on Discussion pages.) - mbeychok 18:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Garyville?  Does the reader know where it is? 

message: Why do they have all the lights ? Is it safety?? Security??8.8.9.61 21:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Refineries operate 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Obviously, lights are needed at night so that the plant operators can see what they are doing. Also, warning lights atop many of the taller structures are required for low flying aircraft. - mbeychok 22:34, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lights 

message: Interestingly the University of Warsaw credits Ignacy Łukasiewicz with building the first oil refinery also in 1856. The confusion came from the fact that it was called an oil distillery and not a refinery. In addition the refinery burned down soon after and was not rebuilt until several years later. Lukasiewicz was already refining oil from his oil wells two years before and built a commercial oil refinery in 1856. JRWalko 01:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The first refinery?

message: There are three items under the title "Common process units..." that ought to be classed under a different title, say under "Ancillary units" as they are not really processing anything:
* Liquified gas storage units for propane and similar gaseous fuels at pressure sufficient to maintain in liquid form. These are usually spherical vessels or bullets (horizontal vessels with rounded ends. 
* Storage tanks for crude oil and finished products, usually cylindrical, with some sort of vapor emission control and surrounded by an earthen berm to contain spills. 
* Utility units such as cooling towers for circulating cooling water, boiler plants for steam generation, instrument air systems for pneumatically operated control valves and an electrical substation.
I propose to put these under a new title unless somebody strongly objects.LouisBB 23:20, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancillary units

message: This is probably a silly question, but do any refineries operate "factory outlet" gas stations where you could buy gas at a discount because it wouldn't have to be sent out by pipeline? Wnt (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factory outlet gasoline? 

message: Recently, both Libya and Saudi Arabia have stated that the oil market is "over-supplied". In Saudi Arabia's case, I am not aware of any track record of major dishonesty. With the oil price on the Nymex futures market at $140, this seems strange. I am therefore theorising that the extra oil they can supply is too heavy and sour for currently spare refining capacity. Is this a good theory? If so, then how long will it take to create the capability to refine lower-quality crude? New Thought (talk) 07:28, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capacity to refine heavy sour crude? 

message: Hi, I'm financial internal auditor and wish to learn what are the high Risk areas, critical processes and internal controls to be considered from FINANCIAL perspective.
Generally we break down entire process into detailed steps and identify what risks could arise in these processes, thereafter, we devise mitigation plan to plug those loopholes. I'll appreciate if anyone could recommend good books/ websites, study material. Any guidance is welcome. irshadfca@gmail.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.227.59.208 (talk) 10:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Financial Risk Management, Critical processes requiring strict internal controls 

message: please guide me about some good reading material to understand entire petroleum business specially what are stakes of finance professional to understand about upstream through downstream petroleum business irshadfca@gmail.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.227.59.208 (talk) 10:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petroleum Refining for the Finance Person 

message: I undid the removal of this article from the chemical engineering category.--Work permit (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? I think that this is a superfluous category because the categorie "Chemical Processes" already belongs to the category "Chemical engineering". Why adding a main category when a subcategory is already present? And, by the way, "Distillation" belongs to "Chemical Processes" but in this case "Chemical processes" seems a better choice because a refinery does not do only distillation but also cracking, gas treating, and a dozen other processes. Therefore I would also remove this somewhat misleading category. --WilfriedC (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a reasonable explanation, thanks. I'm ok with deleting the entry--Work permit (talk) 02:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  chemical engineering 

message: Just found an interesting mention in another website that the worlds first oil refinery was built in my home town of Bathgate, West Lothian, Scotland in 1848 (see http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/bathgate/bathgate/index.html). Mentions of this can be found in Wiki on the James Young page, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Young_(Scottish_chemist), this says that the works were completed in 1851 although the business started in 1848.
I'm going to do some more research and see if I can get some more hard links before I attempt any editing of a page. I've never done this before. Some assistance would be appreciated.
86.131.158.53 (talk) 02:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first refinery 

message: I removed the following content on Standard Oil added by  in accordance with WP:UNDUE and . A brief summary may be appropriate for this article along with content on other countries and oil companies. However, I think this content is better suited for Standard Oil of Ohio and closely related articles. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (summary style) may provide relevant guidance, also. Walter Siegmund (talk) 01:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe this information could be added to the article History of the petroleum industry in the United States.  H Padleckas (talk) 04:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of content on Standard Oil added by HISTMichelleS253 

message: The History section of the article begins:
:The first oil refinery in the world was built in Bathgate, Scotland, by Scottish chemist James Young in 1951.
James Young did build a refinery (in 1851, not 1951) to produce illuminating oil, but one that used not petroleum, but cannel coal, a variety of oil shale. Since it did not refine petroleum does it belong here?  Plazak (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "first" oil refinery 

message: The Garco Energy refinery was not a new  refinery built in 2008:
*It was rebuilt from a topping plant destroyed in a fire. See the Garco refinery website at Garco Energy: About Us which states: The Garco Energy Refinery was rebuilt in 2008 from the remnants of a natural gas topping plant. 
* The Garco Energy refinery could process 3,000 barrels of crude oil per calender day or about 4,000 barrels per operating day which indicates that it operated only about 75% of the year. At that very small size, it is almost a misnomer to call it an oil refinery.
For those reasons, I have removed the sentence added by 198.183.141.65. mbeychok (talk) 00:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Rationale for removing edit by [[Special:Contributions/198.183.141.65|198.183.141.65]] on Oct 23, 2012

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The edit by JimmyCraig was removed because: 
*Merox units were already listed and covered in the article's main body section entitled "Common process units found in a refinery" as well as linked to the internal Wikipedia article entitled "Merox". 
*Because the edit was misplaced and resulted in removing the entire "See also" section.
mbeychok (talk) 15:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reasons for removing the good faith edit by [[User:JimmyCraig|JimmyCraig]]

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thread_title:  An oil refinery or petroleum refinery is an industrial process plant where petroleum (crude oil) is transformed and refined into useful products such as gasoline (petrol), diesel fuel, asphalt base, fuel oils, heating oil, kerosene, liquefied petroleum gas and petroleum naphtha.[1][2][3] Petrochemicals feedstock like ethylene and propylene can also be produced directly by cracking crude oil without the need of using refined products of crude oil such as naphtha.[4][5] The crude oil feedstock has typically been processed by an oil production plant. There is usually an oil depot at or near an oil refinery for the storage of incoming crude oil feedstock as well as bulk liquid products. In 2020, the total capacity of global refineries for crude oil was about 101.2 million barrels per day.[6]