Talk:Beta Upsilon Chi

message: I'd probably rate this article at 'B-class', as it has most of the major sections of a good article, but does not meet all of the good article criteria.
:GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
#It is stable.
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#It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
#Overall: 
#:a Pass/Fail:  
The main reason that the article fails GA is lack of citations, and/or lack of reliable sources. The entire history section lacks citations (with the exception of the table of founders, which is only attributed to the website). Almost half of all of the inline citations simply refer to either the entry page to the organization's website, or to the about page. It would help verify information if you could be more specific; e.g. provide a direct link to the part of the website that you're referring to. It might also help to look at WP:CITE for help on formatting citations.
There's quite a few tables for the founders and board members and such, which seems to occupy large sections of various sections, and are not accompanied with much actual text description. It might help to remove the tables and write the names of some of these lists in prose form, particularly for the shorter lists of five or fewer names. For the longer names, a separate linked page might be more appropriate; the article text could then refer to some of the more important or notable founders. 
*done--Keylay31 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Response: I have edited the first statement, changing it to the largest Christian social fraternity (as I dont want to try to prove the rate of growth). Replaced the AJC article. As for the list of chapters, for now, I dont see a problem. It provides probably some of the most valuable information in the artlce (IMHO) and does not make a reader go elsewhere for information that will most likely be wanted upon reading an article of this nature. --Keylay31 04:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good! GA passed. Dr. Cash 20:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Killed the Chapter list for ya, and yes, it was getting to me too. Keylay31hablame 09:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: I will be reformatting this page and looking for sources over the next couple of weeks. --Keylay31 23:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reformatting thanks to this review 

message: NONE! Keylay31hablame 07:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Still to be completed 

message: I feel like this information is useful, so I have copied the table to the discussion page. --Keylay31 23:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of Founding Fathers 

message: This may not be necessary for the article:
In 2005, the national Board of Directors approved the creation of a national Beta Upsilon Chi Alumni Association.  Prior to this organization, individual chapters had coordinated alumni activities with loose affiliation with the national fraternity.  This move, designed to increase the services offered by the Fraternity while harnessing the resource of BYX's twenty years of alums, also meant that local chapters now had a pool of experience to call upon for assistance with the program of the fraternity on both the local and national level.
In addition to serving the local chapters, the alumni association was designed to enhance the benefit of BYX membership through the its extensive networking efforts.  Under the auspices of the alumni association, BYX alums throughout the country have been organized into a national database that members and alums may access through the national website.
--Keylay31 04:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alumni Association 

message: Article is a huge improvement, and much better organized. There were a couple of issues with reference formatting (references should have more information on the reference, instead of only a link). I largely fixed this for you, but two issues remain before I can assess this article as a GA.
First, the statement in the beginning, "BYX is the largest and fastest growing Christian social fraternity in the United States." needs to be cited with a reliable source. Internal (circular) references to other wikipedia articles are generally not acceptable as reliable sources, especially ones that don't have any references themselves. I also notice that lots of fraternities like to boast that they are the "largest" or "fastest growing", which is generally meaningless unless it's backed up with some hard evidence. True, looking at the list on the Christian fraternity page, with numbers of chapters of each group, we could probably deduce that BYX probably is the fastest growing, or one of them. But that goes against wikipedia's policy on original research; plus, with no citations on that page, I have no idea most of those numbers are accurate, either.
The other issue is with the AJC article. The link that was provided was to a page that was a '404 not found' (in other words, the article did not exist). This information needs some type of reference. It doesn't have to be the AJC, it can be another news source or a university press release page. If you have the article details in print, you can put those in, too; references don't have to be completely online references (in fact, it would be good if there were more print-based references in many wiki articles).
Other than that, the article looks good! I'm still not so sure you need to reduplicate that chapter listing at the end, though. It's already linked to from several of the references, but it couldn't hurt to have an explicit link to the list of chapters under external links, and remove the listing. But the list isn't too long right now; I guess this would be a bigger issue if/when your group gets to be 300+ chapters in size,... Dr. Cash 17:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Response: I have edited the first statement, changing it to the largest Christian social fraternity (as I dont want to try to prove the rate of growth). Replaced the AJC article. As for the list of chapters, for now, I dont see a problem. It provides probably some of the most valuable information in the artlce (IMHO) and does not make a reader go elsewhere for information that will most likely be wanted upon reading an article of this nature. --Keylay31 04:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good! GA passed. Dr. Cash 20:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Killed the Chapter list for ya, and yes, it was getting to me too. Keylay31hablame 09:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: second review

message: I just uploaded the Beta Upsilon Chi crest.  However, I noted there was a post in 2015 about a new version, simpler, that may have been adopted.  Which is most commonly used?  Jax MN (talk) 14:53, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crest