Talk:IPod Touch/Archive 1

message: O boy, you guys are crazy! The event isn't even done yet and there is already a 2-page article on the wikipedia! Incredible! :-) Peter S. 17:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  speed 

message: I’ve requested a move to iPod touch as it seems Apple styles the device with a lowercase t, as is consistent with the rest of their product line. Max Naylor 18:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... we should wait until they update the official apple website for that. 96.226.68.113 18:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: There is a Creative MP3 Player called Zen Touch... Coincidence?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.186.241 (talk) 01:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: CONSPIRACY I tell ya!Anyway, this discussion page is only for talking about the article, not the product. --DogGunn 08:09, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Taken From Creative??? 

message: A user removed the criticisms section with the explaination "You've got to be kidding me"
A little more elaboration on this please?  Maybe it is too early to have a criticism section?  I think the thousands of people clamoring about the small storage space *is* noteworthy enough to warrant a criticism section, so please, discuss it with me before I add it back.Drewson99 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The criticism section was an unencyclopedic load of rubbish that violates the manual of style. It was one person's criticism (in other words, original research) written in a stupid tone. Stephen Shaw 16:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, so your objection is with the tone of the section, not the presence of a criticism section in general?64.37.159.196 16:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I object to both the tone and the source of that "criticism". One can't just go onto a page about a product and list ones criticisms  of the product. Stephen Shaw 16:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of criticisms 

message: O boy, you guys are crazy! The event isn't even done yet and there is already a 2-page article on the wikipedia! Incredible! :-) Peter S. 17:45, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  speed 

message: I’ve requested a move to iPod touch as it seems Apple styles the device with a lowercase t, as is consistent with the rest of their product line. Max Naylor 18:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm... we should wait until they update the official apple website for that. 96.226.68.113 18:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: I think, for the sake of consistency with other iPod articles and official styling by Apple, we should stick to the iPod touch capitalisation, please stop reverting my edits, if you want capital T’s, I’ll happily discuss it with you here. Max Naylor 19:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I want capital Ts. -Henry W. Schmitt 00:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: go to apple website, they have lower case t's--Olavid 04:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like big T's and big A's. -Henry W. Schmitt 04:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod Touch vs. iPod touch 

message: "The iPod touch has a disappointingly low amount of storage space" doesn't really sound like NPOV to me. Delete it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lodevermeiren (talk • contribs) 20:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It might be a cheap shot, might need rewording or a separate criticism section but it is true when you consider it "alongside a music library". A lot of people will have a minimum 10-15GB of music on the larger model (esp with high bitrate/lossless formats which is very common) and that only leaves enough for 1 or 2 movies. 79.67.254.214 23:19, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: It's presented as if it's a new breakthrough product, but it's just a cheaper version of the iphone.--80.86.74.135 02:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticisms 

message: So where is the google maps app that the iPhone has? Anyone got a clue why this is missing. --Ray andrew 00:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure it pulled the maps down over Wi-Fi if its available. --Ray andrew 03:36, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no google maps app because that app is reserved for the iPhone. Apple haven't included it to differentiate between the iPod touch and the iPhone. Notice how there isn't a camera or an email app. The iPod touch is really just a stripped down iPhone. Finally, this page is for discussing the article not the product Stephen Shaw 16:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google Maps 

message: I wonder why the Notes function was left out of iPod touch. Delta40[talk] 02:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is, picture are shown on Engadget. On that note, Google Maps is missing too... I hope they eventually include Skype on iPod touch or the iPhone, and maybe a pdf reader and bluetooth so you can transfer files. Then it'll be a even better device. Delta40[talk] 03:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Features Left Out 

message: There was already a page created for this but it was called Wifi iPod. Can we merge the pages 80.229.169.189 08:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplicate Page 

message: is it worth mentioning similar products. for example the N800 internet tablet. --87.127.117.246 08:54, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think so. It's about the touch itself, not the technology shared. NyyDave 17:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  similar products 

message: Can you please stop adding it? Since the article was created you have added the website many times. Currently there is no content on the site, and it is filled with ads. Until there is some content, I recommend that you stop posting it. --DogGunn 00:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "added link to comprehensive review" 

message: So its an iPhone... without the phone? 70.113.85.225 00:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same technology, so I guess it is. --DogGunn 01:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  sooooo 

message: Anyone notice from the video that there are some features the iPhone does not have?  Like double-clicking the home button to bring up the iPod controls when locked? gujamin 18:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: that's not wikipedia worthy information imo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 23:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And it does not have anything to do with the iPod touch. This discussion page is for the iPod touch and not the iPhone. --DogGunn 06:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Features the iPhone DOESN"T Have 

message: These fiddling details are bordering on promotional material.—überRegenbogen 21:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not see one Buy Now link, so I don't believe it is at all promotional, rather factual. --DogGunn 02:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The lengthy section on pricing makes wikipedia read like a sales catalogue. --Oscarthecat 06:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Further, the guidelines at WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory make it quite clear : therefore prices of a product should not be quoted in an article unless the price can be sourced and there is a justified reason for its mention. Examples of justified reasons include notable sales of rare collectors items, prices relating to discussion of a price war, and historical discussion of economic inflation. On the other hand, street prices are trivia that can vary widely from place to place and over time. Therefore, lists of products currently on sale should not quote street prices. In addition, Wikipedia is not a price guide to be used to compare the prices of competing products, or the prices of a single product across different countries or regions. I've now revised the article. --Oscarthecat 06:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricing and Package contents 

message: Why does the picture on th article keep changing and disappearing? can't we just get one picture and keep it?86.129.233.57 16:54, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason the picture keeps on disapearing is because of licensing issues. All of the pictures that have been put up, have been taken by websites, and not by someone who owns the picture. --03:45, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: While we can't use Apple's publicity shots for the article picture we could use a Creative Commons one. Do a search on flickr and people have CC photos they took at the event of the display versions of iPod touch. Would it be ok to upload one of these seeing as they are creative commons or would the original photographer still have to be the one to upload?
Here are good ones that could be used:
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1333413585&size=l
http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1332398406&size=o
NeoRicen 15:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo 

message: I uploaded a photo under Creative Commons
Attribution ShareAlike License version 2.0:
Image:Ipod_touch_on_table.jpg
The source is there and the flickr member took the photo and had some rights reserved. If someone would put in the photo. Ipodtoucher 07:04, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for photo 

message: Has anyone else seen this article on Engadget? I think we should integrate some of this information into the Wiki article. Bolmedias 11:15, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not worthy. The device was dissected and there was no Bluetooth antenna, and there was no chip. However, feel free to write up on iPod touch's without the OSX loaded. --DogGunn 11:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something I found on Engadget 

message: Is the iPod touch relase date on September 13, or 28? 71.106.1.211 04:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 28th, some stores have been selling it since the 13th, but it's not the official date. --DogGunn 05:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But, that is ships by, so it could potentially be earlier than that Watters 05:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's not correct. The actual... official... listed... release date is the 28th September 2007. Shops have had leaks, and for some reason have started to sell them in the US. --DogGunn 05:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: But it hasn't officially been released. Wikipedia is not about sharing opinions, it's about giving factual information. So, we use the official date. --DogGunn 06:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a fact that it has been released before the official date, not an opinion. It is false to say that it hasn't been released because the official release date has not been yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.86.74.135 (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I definately agree that it is an unofficial launce date but still needs to be mentioned because they are clearly being sold. However is it certain that it is only in USA, or are there other places? It should be more specific. 125.168.3.21 14:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ahh, yes, it is just the US. I wasnt sure how to add the flag. thank you Bliks 16:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release date 

message: Does the ipod touch play games? is it worth noting in the article whether it does/doesn't, what games it comes with etc?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.169.66 (talk) 15:33, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: While iTunes has games, the iPod touch doesn't. It does have Wi-fi, a button to Safari which provides web access, a button directly to YouTube, and direct access to the iTunes store where you can browse and buy music and find cover art. -- Fyslee / talk 04:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  but is it worth mentioning in the article?86.144.169.66 14:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If it claimed to have games, it would be worth mentioning. -- Fyslee / talk 17:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Games? 

message: Every other iPod article mentions prices that are not sales-catalogue-esque. Why when I try to add price in the exact same prose style as iPhone was I edited out? Compare:  with 
--HansTAR 14:52, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Price 

message: A broken closing ref tag at the end of the Criticisms section is causing the beginning of the Specifications level 1 heading to be hidden and then it confusingly shows up at the end of the References section. I would fix this myself, but I do not have permission to edit this article. -- Kpr00 09:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you  Fyslee for fixing this. -- Kpr00 00:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Da nada. It was just a matter of checking the edit history and finding the last version that was OK. The next edit was where things went wrong. -- Fyslee / talk 00:34, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug: broken closing ''ref'' tag hiding ''Specifications'' heading -- Fixed 

message: ... out of the Criticisms section. For some reason, Criticisms thinks that the Specs section is part of the same section.
There seems to be an issue / bug with Wikimedia, where moving the sections stuffs up all of the article below.
How do you remove it without stuffing the article up?
--DogGunn 13:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That problem is discussed above and is now solved. -- Fyslee / talk 01:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How do you get the Specifications... 

message: Perhaps we should add a link to the iPod Touch Dev Wiki? http://www.touchdev.net/wiki/Main_Page  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Daceilo (talk • contribs) 03:59, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  iPod Touch Dev Team