Talk:Torchwood/Archive 1

message: Not sure how or if to work this in, but "Torchwood" is also an informal name for several species of plants. Since there's no Wikipedia entry, there's no point having the usual italicised clarification text at the top; I was thinking of adding a paragraph at the end like this:
:"Torchwood" is also an informal name for any of a number of species of trees and shrubs found in the Americas, so called because their high resin content makes them burn very well. The meaning of the phrase in the context of the programme is unknown.
Anyone have thoughts about this? -- Guybrush 05:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, just found that Torchwood is referenced at Burseraceae, the family to which most torchwood species belong. I'll add an italicised note at the top referring to that. -- Guybrush 05:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The wood should be the primary link. I've moved this article accordingly - David Gerard 10:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, no I haven't, that note actually looks ok! I'll leave it for now, but if someone else wants to sort out what should go where then feel free - David Gerard 10:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: On the extra bbc websites, visittorchwood.com, it states that the building (original seen in episode Tooth and CLaw) was/is made of wood from Florida - with translation being Torchwood.Crescent 19:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The plants? 

message: I've added a picture of Jack. I've gone with an older one, as the one at Jack Harkness is very TARDIS-centric; this is more neutral, as we don't precisely know how the character will join the new show format. Radagast 19:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Is this really still a stub? It is long enough not to be especially since all known information on the subject is here and there clearly is a platoon of editors waiting to expand if there is a new development. --Oli 18:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, I've never been part of a platoon before.  I wonder what the collective noun for Wikipedians is?  A collaboration of Wikipedians?  A consensus?  A revision? Actually, I like that one: a revision of Wikipedians. —Josiah Rowe 23:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: An Anorak of Wikipedians? :-) Angmering 00:01, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: An obsessive-compulsion of Wikipedians?—Josiah Rowe 01:13, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You almost had it. A reversion of Wikipedians. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 01:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Get the men fallen in, Wilson! 213.48.182.7 18:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Judging from the definition of a stub, I agree with Oli; it's not particularly short, it's well integrated with other wiki articles, and all the information provided is the vast majority of what's currently known about the topic. Kermix 00:04, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, well it hasn't been a stub since shortly after Oli posted. —Josiah Rowe 02:07, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub? 

message: What gives user "DanielCD" the right to remove people's links here? I have added a number of links many times including to several fan pages (Unit News, Outpost Gallifrey, Kasterborous) and the official Doctor Who website which are all covering Torchwood?  Instead this user removes them and puts up a link only to a tongue-in-cheek Torchwood blog. Why are actual news pages covering the news of Torchwood not allowed but a silly blog is? What gives DanielCD the right to decide whose links go here???
:To quote our official policy here:
Please do not add commercial links — or links to your own private websites — to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or a mere collection of external links. See the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks. 
:That's what gives DanielCD the right to revert your edits.  Also, most of your edits appear to be just removing sections of the article, rather than adding things. That won't do either. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 16:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You are removing the categories, not just the blog link. If that's a problem, give good reasons why, please. Don't just delete tha cats because they belong there. --DanielCD 17:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'll look at it and at the past stuff. --DanielCD 17:07, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The Dr. Who links were removed because they are already listed at that article and are not directly relevant. The blog has remained as it pertains directly to the article. The blog doesn't seem to be a problem to me. People can always just go to the Dr. Who article and find the other links there. --DanielCD 17:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links 

message: Even if Charlotte Church were to appear in Torchwood, it would not be her TV acting debut as she had an acting role in an episode of Heartbeat. --Bonalaw 13:29, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charlotte Church 

message: This looks so cool. Cap'n Harkness is hawt. :) --Mistress Selina Kyle (Α⇔Ω ¦ ⇒✉) 05:10, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  ahhhhhhhhhhhhh 

message: I was a bit nervous about adding the Eve Myles info as the BBC have taken down their news article. However, it was grabbed by Google News and you can read enough of it (and see a photo) to consider that there is a valid source. Once the BBC announce the story properly, it can become a proper reference to the BBC site. —Whouk (talk) 22:35, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey presto! Radagast 02:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eve Myles 

message: I've converted the in-line links to footnotes.  We may also want to move some of the existing references to footnotes — if anyone wants to take that on, feel free. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I integrated some more, and done a big copyedit at the same time. I've left four references as I wasn't sure what in the article was sourced from which. We could do with full references for the various DWM reports mentioned too. —Whouk (talk) 18:46, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links, footnotes and references 

message: While it's accepted practice for the Doctor Who WikiProject to use italics for Doctor Who episode names, is there any reason - apart from it being a spin-off, obviously :-) - to continue you that here? I'm not making a proposal one way or the other (although I'm leaning towards the standard, inverted commas format) but I think it's worth discussing. —Whouk (talk) 18:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I don't suppose it really makes much difference how its done here. Might be best to follow the accepted Wikipedia practice, I suppose. Angmering 18:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As no-one has dissented, I've changed the format of the title "Flotsam and Jetsam" to the 'pedia standard. Feel free to chip in here if you object. —Whouk (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode format 

message: The introduction describes the show as "a 13-part British television science fiction and crime drama." That gives me the impression that it's intended as a one-shot mini-series, with no intention of continuing after the first run of shows. Is this correct? If not, we should probably remove the "13-part" out of the intro. -- MisterHand 20:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My understanding is that the one 13-part series has been commissioned, but that the door is open to more if it's successful.  (I think this is standard for UK series.)  I'll rephrase the opening so that it doesn't suggest that the door is closed to another series. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 21:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I also wouldn't call a 13-part series 'mini'. Especially when it comes to British TV. Radagast 21:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mini-series? 

message: Just a pointer that I've questioned the need for separate episode articles in a message at Talk:Flotsam and Jetsam (Torchwood). —Whouk (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode articles 

message: I've been bold and I created about the Torchwood Institute as a whole following the events of Tooth and Claw, and loosely on Bad Wolf and TCI. Feedback would be appreciated. Will (E@) T 18:22, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bad Wolf|The great famous Torchwood Institute]] 

message: Removed this:
"* Although no crossovers with its parent series are planned, Barrowman reported on his website that the story of Torchwood would be "seeded" in the Christmas special and 2006 season of Doctor Who. "
It has now been established as fact and is covered elsewhere in the entry. I don't think the fact Barrowman mentioned that on his site is still of interest. Damiancorrigan 14:43, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the "seeded in the 2006 season" is now redundant, but I wonder if it might be possible to find a place for the information that Torchwood proper doesn't intend any Doctor Who crossovers.  (Although with two of the cast playing characters they played on Doctor Who, I suppose that "No Doctor Who crossovers" just means "we won't see the Doctor, Rose, Mickey or Jackie".) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 16:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed: 

message: John Barrowman's website suggests that Torchwood is "**Now moved to BBC 1**" under the "FALL 2006 - CAPTAIN JACK IS BACK" heading on the news page. I've not seen any other reference to this, so I'm not entirely comfortable adding it to the Torchwood entry here... unless any other (clearer) sources for this move exist? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.151.216.218 (talk • contribs) 13:55, May 8, 2006  (UTC)
:Yeah, I just removed a reference to BBC1 airing from the article a few days ago.  Although Barrowman's website may well be correct, I think it would be better for us to be cautious.  We might be able to say something like "John Barrowman's website has reported that the programme will be aired on BBC1; this has not yet been confirmed by any other source," though.  Other thoughts? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 19:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BBC3 or BBC1? 

message: A few sites have "Dark Revelations" as the second episode and "Small Worlds" as the third - anyone have a trustworthy source for these titles? —Whouk (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode titles 

message: I have no idea if this is a legit edit or vandalism. I saw nothing of the "Torchwood Archive" in the episode's TARDISODE or anywhere in the episode. Googling it gives no results, it would at least be mentioned somewhere if it was a real reference. So I've reverted it myself and asked for further proof. — Nathan (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (That was my IP) It's ok, I understand why you did it :) It was in-direct quote from a reviewer at the Outpost Gallifrey forum. The poster is a member of the press and regularly recieves preview DVDs of further episodes and posts spoiler-light reviews with little teasers. I merely put what he said into a readable sentence. I'm not sure whether the above is a good enough reason to add it back so I'll let you decide :)Ood talk 22:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm pretty sure somewhere in the episode they say they are part of the Torchwood Archive. 84.64.85.235 11:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, they did.  However, this article is about the Torchwood television series, not about every mention of the word "Torchwood" in Doctor Who, so the catalogue of "Torchwood" references have been moved to Torchwood Institute, as I mentioned in the edit summaries.  See the page history, and the hidden text I added to that section for this very reason. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 05:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Torchwood Archive" 

message: Just an observation - it seems strange that a Prime Minister of the early 21st Century is "not supposed to know about" Torchwood, yet an ordinary 1953 police officer is clearly well aware of the existance of the organisation... quercus robur 07:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what makes for good fanwank! I can pull an explanation out of my... hat: In 1953, Torchwood was not as covert as it is today. Something happened between then and 2006 to make it go deeper underground, so that it's not supposed to exist anymore, although it still does. That may also be why Torchwood didn't do anything about the Third Doctor in the 1970s/80s. After the Christmas Invasion and it having blasted the aliens out of sky, it's fallen back into favour, hence the more overt mentions (like "Torchwood Access Denied" in School Reunion). There. Sorted. :) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How covert is Torchwood??? 

message: I hardly think the 'a torch would do it' reference is actually legitamite. Unless we leave a note pointing that out as it's clearly not a reference to the Torchwood Institute itself. Phil 19:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not so sure now, given the distinct reference in The Satan Pit, and assuming it's still the "One mention per story" method...The_B 01:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, not quite, Rise of the Cybermen had two mentions. :) Phil 23:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Impossible Planet 

message: The individual references should be listed either at Torchwood or at Torchwood Institute but not both.  And if this article is about more than the spinoff series then the two articles should be merged. --Henrygb 09:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Who Episodes 

message: I noticed that the folks over at WikiProject List of Television Episodes have come up with a standard format for episode lists.  Should we implement it?  It would be something like this:
#	Title	Writer	Director	Airdate
Once we have plot info we can put a brief summary in the "shortSummary" field; I've put a placeholder sentence under "Flotsam and Jetsam" to show the format.
The template can also be adjusted to include screenshots, once these are available (and if we decide we want them).
Do we like?  Is there a colour that's better for the line breaks?  Opinions are welcome. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:12, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really like the idea of having a list like this before we have all the episode names. On the colour front, try #999933. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 19:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode list: table? 

message: Wonder if The Doctor will appear in any cameo roles in this series - It's somethhing they're bound to do. James Random 09:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wonder 

message: I've added the reference that Huw Edwards mentions "Torchwood" in the episode, which I believe he does (just after Chloe's line "And they will never feel alone EVER again" and before a cut to Rose and Chloe's mum) but can anyone decipher the sentence leading up to it?  To my ears it sounds like "from the battles to the Torchwood", but it's very, very muffled.  So, this might be like the rather clever "a torch would do it" line (which I firmly believe was deliberate!) or it might be a real reference.  Stephenb (Talk) 20:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was shown as a reference on confidential, whereas the "torch would" reference wasn't. This leads me to believe it is a real reference. And the "battles [of?] Torchwood" may well be the Daleks versus Cybermen of AoG and Dd. Which means that this is potentially how Torchwood get found out. Clockwork Apricot 19:03, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fear Her 

message: The logo in the article's box is the mockup we got way back on first announcement; it's clearly based on the DW logo, so there's no way it's anything close to the final version.
This  was posted on the BBC's site today, to tie into Army of Ghosts; would it work as a replacement? I'll probably upload it to add into Torchwood Institute anyway (later tonight, when I'm on a box that can handle that); is it appropriate for here? Radagast 21:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question is whether the AoG logo, which is the Whoniverse "real world" version of the Torchwood Institute logo, will be the same as that used for the series logo. There's a difference there. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:42, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent point. I'll keep it to Torchwood Institute for now. Radagast 01:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo 

message: Seems a bit touch especially as episode 3 is called 'The Ghost Machine'. Sierra 1 17:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No direct, character crossovers: that is, the Doctor, Rose and/or any future or past companions won't be showing up anywhere during the run. It's certainly set in the same universe, and there's organizational heirarchy between the Canary Wharf and Cardiff locations, I'm sure. But no story will be based around a meeting between the central focus of the respective shows. Radagast 03:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Though it's been stated in various places that Jack is seeking the Doctor for something and how that will be resolved without at least some kind of crossover, even a minor one, is a mystery. And Captain Jack has been mentioned as cropping up again in Doctor Who at some point, which may count as a crossover. Unless it's during the time which was erased from his memory... which may have to be dealt with on Torchwood as well. As if Doctor Who continuity wasn't confusing enough already... Corbo 13:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I get the sense that Jack will rejoin the Doctor at a distinct point from his Torchwood experience - this would imply some kind of separation, perhaps, from them. I guess we need to wait for the finale to see, I'm just speculating... Radagast 21:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No crossovers? 

message: Can anyone explain how even though UNIT and TORCHWOOD managed to coexist for who knows how long, and who knows how many invasions, is it that no one at Torchwood seems to recognize either the Cybermen or the Daleks?--152.163.100.136 20:23, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hartman is the only one who explicitly asks what the Cybermen are. If you want a speculative answer, I'd just say she's an administrator, not a researcher. The last time the Earth saw a Cyberman incursion was in 1988, and she may not have been part of Torchwood then. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A wizard did it. Jefffire 11:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: And in a later scene, she does tell Jackie how the 'upgrade' process works. So she'd likely heard of it, but had to be reminded of which species did it and what they look like. Radagast 21:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cybermen/Daleks? 

message: Surely she's gotta be one of 'our' universe Cybermen since Lumic took out everything save the brain with his. CSkankRabbit 10:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's his mistress, hehe :-P thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:59, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was only Yvonne that described Cyber-conversion as chucking out everything but the brain, and she was the one asking what the Cybermen were earlier on, so she may be wrong.  Additionally, the Cybermen had "converted" Torchwood employees without any outward change apart from their earphones. *fanwanky shrug* Rob T Firefly 10:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberwoman 

message: Does anyone know if Sci-Fi has any plans on airing Torchwood?--DrBat 13:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt we'll find out until after the UK broadcast.  Sci-Fi hasn't even confirmed that they'll be showing the 2006 season of Doctor Who yet. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 22:09, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sci-Fi 

message: I just completed a fairly major edit (with far too many "save page"s, for which I apologize — my internet connection was acting up and I didn't want to lose the work).  The article had acquired a lot of unnecessary dates ("On 14 Julember 2005, Russell T. Davies announced...") and inconsistent citation formatting; I've tried to summarize the important information, with citations but without all the dates cluttering up the text.  Here's the total diff of my changes; let me know if I've cut anything vital.
I think that we've accounted for all 13 episodes now, with all the writers who've been announced:  here's a table, if we want to use it, but I won't put it in until (unless) anyone else thinks it's better than the text describing the filming blocks and the list of episodes.
#	Title	Writer	Director	Airdate	Filming block
The order of the episodes without confirmed numbers is fairly arbitrary, which may be a problem.  Anyway, here it is if we want to use it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major edit, and table with all episodes/authors 

message: I would be grateful for comments about this in the discussion on the Doctor Who Portal Talk Page. Thanks, Rnt20 10:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Status of Torchwood within the Doctor Who portal 

message: There's a splash logo appearing on BBC 1 and 3 starting Monday (Screenshots:   ) - would this be appropriate for the article? It's a sight better thatn the DW-lozenge-inspired one we've had on there forever... Radagast 00:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections? I'm going ahead, then... Radagast 13:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teaser logo 

message: Today I saw the first bus advert that I was actually interested in.
TORCHWOOD
OCTOBER 22ND
'nuff said?--The last sheikah 13:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  October 22nd 

message: I have found an access code for the http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/  BBC official website. If you go to this page and CLICK in the top left hand corner just below the grey bbc.co.uk a white cursor will appear and if you type in the ACCESS CODE as follows it will take you to a small trailer/clip you can watch, the ACCESS CODE is 221006 , i believe also this is TORCHWOOD's 
premiere date! keep your eyes peeled for more infomation- signing off TorchwoodInstitute
:Great, but how on earth do you find things like that?!Oli 21:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torchwood Password 

message: (from the BBC itself)
EPISODE 1: 'Everything Changes' by Russell T Davies 
When Torchwood arrives on the scene of a brutal murder, WPC Gwen Cooper's burning curiosity is challenged. Their attitude, their approach and their technology is at odds with everything she believes in. But investigating the investigators leads her into a dark, paranoid world she never imagined existed. EPISODE 2: 'Day One' by Chris Chibnall" An alien addicted to sex is let loose on Cardiff's nightlife. Torchwood must track down the creature's new host and in doing so, confront a violent new form of love in the 21st century 
EPISODE 2: 'Day One' by Chris Chibnall
An alien addicted to sex is let loose on Cardiff's nightlife. Torchwood must track down the creature's new host and in doing so, confront a violent new form of love in the 21st century 
EPISODE 3: 'Ghost Machine' by Helen Raynor 
Torchwood discovers a machine that allows them to view the ghosts that walk among us. Using it, prompts Owen to investigate an unsolved crime - one that could change all their futures."
EPISODE 4: 'The Trouble With Lisa' by Chris Chibnall " 
There's a dark secret in the basement of the Hub. Even Jack is unaware of it, but Ianto knows. And he'll go to any lengths, sacrifice anything and anyone, to protect what's down there."
EPISODE 5: 'Small Worlds' by Peter J. Hammond
Jasmine is a withdrawn but intelligent child whose new 'friends' exploit her suppressed anger, and while investigating this, Jack encounters elemental enemies from his past that are determined to harm those closest to him."
EPISODE 6: 'Countrycide' by Chris Chibnall 
Upon entering an apparently deserted village in the Brecon Becons, the Torchwood team is separated. Finding his people are the prey in a savage game of cat and mouse Jack faces a team of ruthless hunters far more skilled in surviving outside the confines of the city than he. "
EPISODE 7: 'Greeks Bearing Gifts' by Toby Whithouse. 
Tosh gains the ability to read the minds of those closest to her but as she becomes party to their darkest secrets, she realises not only is this is a powerful curse, but one impossible to break."
EPISODE 8: 'They Keep Killing' by Paul Tomalin & Dan McCulloch
Using alien technology to interrogate the victims of a serial killer, Gwen learns that the common link is dangerously close to home. And the resurrection device has a deadly secret of its own. "
EPISODE 9: 'Invisible Eugene' by Jacquetta May
A hit-and-run victim, Eugene, was a bit of a nobody, and always convinced that aliens were coming to Earth, specifically to retrieve technology in his possession. Now Gwen finds herself drawn into his world and realises Eugene may still be helping her locate the 'aliens' - despite him being dead."
EPISODE 10: 'Combat' by Noel Clarke 
The team discovers a ring who are kidnapping Weevils - wild alien creatures that have come through the Rift and are hiding on Earth -  which leads Owen down a dark path to confront the future of his own existence. "
EPISODE 11: 'Out of Time' by Cath Tregenna
A small passenger plane from the 1950's flies through the rift and lands in Cardiff 2006. Torchwood is drawn into strong personal relationships as they help the three temporal immigrants adapt to contemporary life."
EPISODE 12: 'Captain Jack Harkness' by Cath Tregenna
Transported back to the Blitz, Jack and Tosh find themselves facing a dark secret from Jack's past, one he hoped and believed had been buried for good."
EPISODE 13: 'Apocalypse' by Chris Chibnall
The Rift is violently fracturing further, and Jack realises that Torchwood is destined to be drawn into one vast battle that will leave nothing and no one at Torchwood unchanged..."
:A paraphrased version of these is in List of Torchwood episodes. Radagast 19:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  official episode list 

message: What's this about Captain Jack sucking life out of aliens and people? It says this is revealed at the end of the first episode. Episode one hasn't aired. If it is true what is it doing in the spin-offs section?
*This is unsourced and in the wrong section; I've removed it. Episode 1 has been shown at some public preview screenings in the UK, so some aspects may be true; but spoilers of that nature should go in the episode article, after its main broadcast. Radagast 20:15, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Jack 

message: I've removed the discussion of the Cyberwoman from the "Overview" section, as it's really about only one episode (as far as we know) and it's also mentioned (appropriately) under "Doctor Who story connections".  The debate over whether her Cyber-technology originates from the parallel-earth Cybus Cybermen or the old-school Cybermen from Mondas and Telos is really just fan speculation — fine on Outpost Gallifrey, but not good in a Wikipedia article.  Insofar as it's been discussed in the press, I think that can be moved to the individual episode article Cyberwoman when that's created.  Anyone disagree? —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree; the reference to her race is irrelevant, although I expect it will be a moot point after the episode shows this Sunday... --Mister Six 21:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this was mentioned as their was a rumour going around that the Cyberwoman was going to be Yvonne Hartman, and this was to make clear that the Cyberwoman in the adverts did not resemble Yvonne. --GracieLizzie 21:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyberwoman details 

message: Is her race strictly relevant in this context? Seems extraneous to me. After all, we're not saying "she is seen electrocuting Jack (who is of Caucasian descent)", are we? Dunno. (shrugs) Kelvingreen 16:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree; the reference to her race is irrelevant, although I expect it will be a moot point after the episode shows this Sunday... --Mister Six 21:37, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this was mentioned as their was a rumour going around that the Cyberwoman was going to be Yvonne Hartman, and this was to make clear that the Cyberwoman in the adverts did not resemble Yvonne. --GracieLizzie 21:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "of African descent" 

message: In Day One, notice how protective Jack is of the hand, which he wouldn't be if it were part of a Slitheen. More importantly, notice how a version of the new "Doctor's theme" from the soundtrack to the new Doctor Who series plays on the soundtrack as Jack cradles the hand. It's the only connection to the Doctor Jack has; of course he's going to be protective of it. Kelvingreen 21:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the Radio Times it is and they are usually a fairly good source when it comes to these things. --GracieLizzie 23:33, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, and the musical clue was pretty conclusive too. Kelvingreen 00:43, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yup: Pg 12, 21 - 27 October issue. Laïka 10:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Have added a citation. Kelvingreen 12:20, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Severed Hand 

message: We seem to have a minor conflict about whether or not these titles should be in italics or not. For those who came in late, let me explain why Doctor Who titles are an exception to the MOS (which is a guideline, not policy, in any case). The original Doctor Who series from 1967 to 1989 was in serial format, and therefore the story titles are correctly placed in italics. When the Doctor Who articles were set forward, the convention was to follow this, as well as the convention followed in nearly all licensed literature (Doctor Who Magazine, and other reference works) to place the story titles, even the ones in the new series, in italics. The compromise worked out was that in dealing with articles solely within the Wikiproject, the episode/story titles would remain in italics, but outside, they would not. 
The questions now, I suppose, are this:
:a) Is Torchwood within the Wikiproject?
:b) Should Torchwood episode titles be italicised?
:c) Should Doctor Who story/episode titles within Torchwood articles be italicised?
These questions can be answered separately. I personally lean towards a muddy solution where yes, Torchwood is part of the Wikiproject, but Torchwood episodes are not italicised whereas Doctor Who stories mentioned within the articles are. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds reasonable to me, albeit, as you say, muddy: we would then talk about Terror of the Autons or The Empty Child, but "Everything Changes".  —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 06:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it may look odd if Doctor Who titles are in italic and Torchwood titles are not. Therefore, following the explanation of why Doctor Who titles are italic, I think Torchwood titles should also be italic. I think Torchwood probably is a part of the WikiProject. Anyway sorry for the mini edit war, though  I suppose it's a good thing if it inspires these discussions. I just thought I should add that, if we/you do decide to change the titles to italic, then the song titles that are mentioned should still be in quotation marks. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 08:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, definitely song titles should be in quotes; that's got nothing to do with the titles. Well, if Anemone agrees, then perhaps we should fall back to the default position and consider Torchwood as part of the Whoniverse and italicise the story titles. I'll go ahead with changing that on the episode articles themselves for a start. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 11:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think many members of the Doctor Who project (maybe I should join?!) are automatically using italics anyway so it'd be really difficult to change that, especially with mentions on character pages and everything else. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torchwood episode titles 

message: I have added a section about the multiple Torchwoods, but there are probably some errors. It may also be better in annother place. --Warlorddagaz 11:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple torchwoods 

message: Perhaps someone should add somewhere that the first two episodes on BBC3 set a new record for a digital-only broadcast ratings. ? --Amaccormack 14:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: In the doctor who christmass special the Prime Minister was shown to have direct authority in Torchwood, and persoanlly authorised the attack on the alien ship. Yet Captain Jack Harkness says that Torchwood is outside the government, was he lieing or is this a plot hole?
:Actually, no: in The Christmas Invasion, while Harriet gave the order to fire, it was earlier established that the Prime Minister isn't even supposed to know about Torchwood, so there's no real contradiction. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 10:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outside the government? 

message: So I'm s'posing we're all considering Toshiko Instant Messenger Transcript as a credible source of information? DrWho42 06:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's off an official website, which is plausibly (but debatably) canon. Mind you, following RTD's statements, the whole issue is moot anyway. Laïka 10:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Credible reference? 

message: Should there be a separate nav-box for Torchwood. Really, articles such as List of Torchwood episodes and List of Torchwood monsters and aliens should be in a Nav box, but putting them in the Doctor Who navbox would be too cluttering and irrevelvant for 95% of Doctor Who content. Laïka 10:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I've just found Template:Torchwood, but it's an ugly little navbox. I'll try to improve it. Laïka 10:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nav box 

message: Given that he appears in more than one episode should Rhys Williams get an article, he looks like he is going to be a regular (it is Rhys who is Gwen's boyfriend right? I keep getting confused over names). Also what about Gwen's former police partner (PC Andy?) he appears in both episodes but I am not so sure about him as his appearence in Day One is very brief and I don't know if we'll see him again. --GracieLizzie 13:31, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My personal feeling is "wait and see". If Rhys gets developed as a character, he should get his own article. If he simply appears at the beginning and end to remind us that Gwen has a normal life, there's probably not much to say about him that wouldn't fit in her article. Daibhid C 14:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, for now I've created a redirect page at Rhys Williams (Torchwood) and I am going to add some info about him to the Gwen article. --GracieLizzie 14:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is Rhys' job again? For now I've put transport manager but I don't think that is exactly right. --GracieLizzie 15:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhys article? 

message: I think there should be an article or at least a section about the Declassifieds, since they are the TW pendant of the Doctor Who Confidentials, is there someone who'd like to write one? --Salocin 23:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torchwood Declassified 

message: I've just created this cos we need a place for Suzie and Rhys. I didn't know what to write about Rhys though. Also I didn't know what to call the article so I named it after the Doctor Who article. I hope that's ok :-) — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, now we've got a fork, since Suzie Costello is now under List of Torchwood villains. --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 14:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: D'oh. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Torchwood supporting characters]] 

message: Shouldn't The Christmas Invasion be included as a related Doctor Who episode in the Torchwood Template section?
StaffanBaloo 14:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably.  I'll fix that little oversight now. DonQuixote 19:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christmas Invasion 

message: Freema Agyeman will not reprise her role as Martha Jones in Series 3 of Torchwood because she is working on a UK version of Law and Order for ITV. 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article1467855.ece
Should this be mentioned? Sama4 (talk) 13:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say no, as she never was part of the cast. People kept adding rumors about her being in series 3, but we never had any reliable source for those to begin with. So mentioning that some character which was never announced to be in series 3 will in fact really not be in there is not something we need to include. But good idea to think about it and even better that you did not just add it but sought discussion first! You are welcome to work with us on The Doctor Who WikiProject to improve Doctor Who related articles. Have a nice day! :-) So#Why 13:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's good evidence that will hopefully stop those adding her in to the article. Thanks! Tphi (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok well thanks! =) Sama4 (talk) 11:24, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martha not in Series 3 

message: Should Burn Gorman and Naoko Mori be removed from the cast list now that the radio play has been on? The official BBC website has been updated to only show Jack, Gwen and Ianto on the front page now Tescomarc (talk) 17:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. WP:MOS#FICTION shows how we write about fictional characters. --Rodhullandemu 18:05, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Freema Agyeman shouldn't be in the cast list as "starring" wasn't she only ever "guest starring" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/torchwood/sites/news/guest_news.shtml) in the same way that James Marsters was?  PoisonedPigeon (talk) 13:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast list 

message: Is there a set date for when the series 2 will come out in this little/big island/continent I don't think it says the day in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.4.241 (talk) 12:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AUS DVD dates 

message: I notice we've mentioned there being an official soundtrack for the show, (and created and linked to the full wikipedia article about it).  Would it be worth mentioning as well the prior existence of an UNofficial Torchwood soundtrack?  The unofficial soundtrack, which was created and released by fans to bit torrent, consisted mainly of songs (primarily rock, some old-style big-band music, and stuff) that were playing in the background during various first-season episodes.  Say, a character walks into a bar, and this music is playing in the bar, and because of that the same song is added to the unofficial soundtrack.  (I'd link here to the appropriate page at thepiratebay.org but I don't know if that'd be appropriate.) --Nomad Of Norad (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's unofficial then it's not notable enough unless it's widespread in the media, and since it isn't then it isn't worth noting on Wikipedia at all. Jammy (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: (edit conflict) Not only that, but any unofficial soundtrack clearly violated copyright laws, and we definitely don't encourage that on Wikipedia. TalkIslander 18:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the matter of soundtrack(s) 

message: The articles says it is originated as 1080p HDTV. I would like to see a citation for this because I have reason to believe it is originated as 1080i HDTV (to the best of my knowledge the BBC HD channel is exclusively 1080i/25), though I haven't changed the article because I have no concrete proof. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 04:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is shot in 1080p, but transmitted as 1080i.  — Edokter • Talk •  23:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you cite a reference for that, please? 83.104.249.240 (talk) 18:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No I can't... Simple observation is sufficient to see that it is shot in 25p. HD Broadcast are almost always transmitted in 25i, as it can accomodate both 25p and 25i material. Sending a 25p signal through a 25i broadcast doesn't change anything in the picture; it merely means that a single frame is sent using two interlaced fields.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He's correct, just in case anyone was wondering.  I have yet to see anything stating that the HD content is broadcast in anything other than 1080i.  It's not a resolution change, just a signal change. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broadcast picture format