Talk:Mashup (music)

message: I think Super Mash Bros. needs its own page.
-JohnnyLurg  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.188.155.32 (talk) 17:33, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mash Bros 

message: CB,
I don't remember the issue date (sometime in late 1984 or the year 1985) of the Melody Maker.  It's the issue with Bronski Beat on the cover.  That quote has always stuck in my head, even before PWEI existed.  If someone else can please substansiate this, I would appreciate it. Two Halves, who is at the job right now...
:Hi, Two Halves.
:Fair enough if someone can provide a scan, or if Mr Quantick himself feels like weighing in :-), but all the references seem to suggest he was an NME staffer at the time.
:Best wishes, chocolateboy 19:55, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop Will Eat Itself

message: Speaking of Pop Will Eat Itself, would it be better to refer to their work in 1990 rather than Eminem's as being a seminal influence on 'bastard pop'? They do seem to be doing what this article calls mashups, and such work was released in or around 1989 (album: This Is the Day...This Is the Hour...This Is This!). Somehow I can't help but think that there were widely known, influential examples of 'bastard pop' by 1990, if not before them, but this much I'm sure of: the PWEI work came far earlier and seems to fit the description given in the article (pop song constructed from portions of other pop songs). Their 1990 album Cure for Sanity features a track called "Dance of the Mad Bastards".... Opinions?
Mooncaine (talk) 23:05, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: PWEI predates the Eminem work by a decade?

message: I thought Steinski collaborated with Double Dee on those "Lesson" EP's.
  ~phr
:Cheers. Fixed! chocolateboy 11:30, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Double Dee

message: Besides finding the 'bastard pop' entry both educational end enjoyable, I couldn't help but feeling that the central european angle is missing.
I am mainly speaking of German/Dutch DJ, producer, remixer, etc. Ben Liebrand, and remix services such as DMC, Ultimix, Disconet etc. For more info I suggest to follow the link to www.mixfreaks.org.
This community, active since early 1980's uses a different jargon, were mash-ups are called "Minimixes", and Glitch is reffered to as "Extreme Edits".
thanks,
Modium
:Hi, Modium.
:Well, I mentioned JPL, who namechecks the hell out of Monsieur Liebrand... I've discussed this elsewhere, and the fond reminiscing often ends up embracing sampling and "samplism" generally (hiphop, R'n'B, "pop" &c.), which is fascinating (to me), but ain't Bastard Pop. I guess Liebrand was overlooked because his "edits" are usually authorized rather than illegitimate, but I'm keenly looking forward to checking your link, and would love it if you or someone as knowledgeable as you improved the article.
:It would make a refreshing change from the usual stream of vanity spam :-) Be bold!
:chocolateboy 02:09, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  The central european side... 

message: GNU and all, I wouldn't dream of editing without your consent...
So, I will include two issues here for you to include in any way you see fit:
- Jargon:
'Edits' (also known as 'Acetates') usually mean the way used by late 70's - early 80's DJ's to extend breaks in 7" singles. Instead of cutting between two copies of the same 7" (while one copy plays the break the other is spun back to the beginning of the break, to be faded in at the right time), the 7" would have been recorded onto a 1/4" tape recorder several times, the breaks would have been cut out of the tape and pasted one next to the other. Very few deejays played the tapes themselves. Most of them printed several vinyl copies at special stores. Thus the term 'White Label' was born - those records would have nothing on them but the shop's serial number and meybe a few notes scribbled by the editor for himself. People do edit nowadays but the technology today lets them produce a full remix. No one is content with just extending breaks. This scene by the way, gave birth to the break-dancing scene, but that's another story.
'Extreme Edits' (also known as 'Shotgun Edits') came by after the appearance of samplers and wave-based synthesizers. The first samplers were very limited in memory, enough for one phrase, so the deejays and producers used it to rep-rep-rep-rep-rep-repeat 1 or 2-beat samples. Those who couldn't afford the high priced samplers, toiled in cutting tapes into countless small pieces and putting them together into pasted tapes that bearly hold. As time went by, those sound snippets grew smaller, were played out of order, and went through all kinds of sound processing effects -- as far as the technology of that time could allow. And glitch was born.
'Minimixes' is the European name for A vs B mashups, and also up to about 10 minutes mix sets.
- Legitimacy
You got one thing wrong: A lot Ben Liebrand's and other DJ's (latin rascals for example) remixes were approved by the industry. Later they were hired or commissioned by the industry to remix tracks. But at least at first, those versions were bootlegs given or sold from one DJ to another, and it took a long time for them to be cleared, if ever.
The situation was this: The DJ bought the original track, and thus paid for the right to play it. The DJ used to play the track in a certain way: extended breaks, layed over another track, etc. (the industry supported that by releasing DJ versions containing instrumentals and acapellas). The DJ is tired of having to manipulate the track in every set, records the manipulation and creates an acetate for personal use. The audience or other DJ's like version and want to listen to it at home / play it during their sets. The DJ can't sell (or even give away) his version since he doesn't have the copyrights (this starts to sound like GNU-GPL and open code). He can still play it since it is a substitute to the manipulation of the original track.
So, in the time before the Internet and GYBO Ben Liebrand and his Fellow DJ's had an Idea: They would extend the 'Personal use' term from one person to a group by forming a club called Disco Mix Club (DMC for short). They would make money from the club membership fees, giving the versions away (along with a nice club magazine) for free, and forbidding the members to pass them along to non-members. Other similar remix-services were formed in the same manner, like 'Hot Tracks' and 'DiscoNet' offering a steady flow of special versions for a monthly fee. Some of them accepted home-made versions from club members and incorporated those in their following issues.
I know all this by word of mouth. You must have noticed that Names, Dates and examples are almost completly missing. I guess some googling of the terms mentioned above might fill in the blanks, but I fear that writing this lengthy artice came on the expense of something else I should return to... I hope someone will find the time for it...
thanks, Modium
:Hi, Modium. Thanks for your informative post. It certainly looks like there's a lot of material there. Have you thought of putting it into a separate article?
:Oh, and by the way: please do edit mercilessly without my consent. I'd be delighted if you did, and offended if you didn't :-)
:chocolateboy 14:50, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Edits

message: Where would you place MTV Mash, and shouldn't we have some comments concerning that. That Mash-Ups have been part of the mainstream, and such. (Although personally, I think most of the MTV Mashes neither are very original, nor particularly good musical compositions.)
:Worth a mention, methinks. Get an account and have at it! :-)
:chocolateboy 20:28, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: MTV Mash

message: "Cutup" has multiple meanings. Should it really be redirected to this article?
:I agree. A dab page would be better. Go for it!
:chocolateboy 00:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect

message: Why are Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambatta missing from the influences section?  This is straight up racism, and this "mash-up" is just another case of "Elvis Presley."  It's just more "white power" to erase the facts of history.  These two giants of hip hop aren't obscure or unknown.  They took records and played parts of them, in sequence, to create new songs.  They did mash-ups, without computers.  Grandmaster Flash invented contemporary DJing.  He even built his own equipment, taking apart old stereos for parts to build new machines.  Grandmaster Flash was a hardware hacker.
Afrika Bambatta did roughly the same thing, creating the roots of American techno music.  He took American funk and melded it with German kraut-rock giants Kraftwerk.  Fast forward 25 years into the future, and people are praising mash-ups for bridging the gulf between "black" and "white" musics.  Bambatta cut a record with Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols and PiL in the mid 1980s.  He bridged the gap.  The racial/racist divide is created by the record industry for marketing purposes; they segregate, divide, and conquer.  Rappers and DJs were mixing styles between disco, funk, latin music, and rock back in the 1970s.
Moreover, this postmoderm mixing culture is a Black invention.  Everyone does it, but the contemporary form is fundamentally rooted in Black working-class invention of Hip Hop.  High Art forms tended to eschew collages of popular music, or created works to maximize the juxtaposition, and is often hotile to the audience's listening pleasure.  Hip Hop used popular music, melding it with underground funk, with the specific intent to make listenable, danceable music.
That is the ethos of the mash-up.
Also, the Beat or Surrealist cutup isn't related to the mash-up.  Cut-ups, as practiced by Burroughs, was intended to remove the author from the production, to create accidental works of art.  The mash-up aesthetic is intentional.
66.245.212.226
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:Why are Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambatta missing from the influences section?
:There is no influences section.
:I suspect that most people who've contributed to this article are as passionate about Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa as you are, but bastard pop and hip-hop ain't the same thing:
::the fond reminiscing often ends up embracing sampling and "samplism" generally (hiphop, R'n'B, "pop" &c.), which is fascinating (to me), but ain't Bastard Pop. 
:Take a look at the illegal art site for some background info on exactly how, where, when and why hiphop (and r'n'b and "pop") took a different tack to bastard pop when it came to accommodating "the man"'s onerous sample clearance requirements.
:As for "cutup": go for it.
:chocolateboy 20:37, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Grandmaster Flash and Afrika Bambaataa

message: I would add quite a bit of info if I had the time, but I think alot info about mashups is missing without delving into the world of ninjatune. At least 3-4 times a week a new mash up is featurd on the solidsteel radio show. Hexstatic has illicit albums that are nothing but mashups, and Coldcuts mid 80's works arecomposed of other peoples works (though not mashups).
next362 00:05, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Omission of Coldcut/Solid Steel section?

message: " The Grey Album effectively launched a new bastard pop subgenre: the bootleg album"
9th Wonder's God's Stepson, a take on Nas' God's Son, came out before the grey album. granted it wasnt based on mashing up a particular album with an acapella, but i think it is given credit as being the first to put the idea into the hip hop genre. and i believe it was a bootlegg too.--Jaysscholar 07:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  bootleg 

message: Well, *my* first exposure to "break-in" records was Dickie Goodman's "Mr. Jaws", which my Billboard Top 40 book says made it to #4 on the charts in 1975, considerably later than the cited "The Flying Saucer Parts 1 & 2"'s #3 in 1956, so it wasn't exactly a flash in the pan... but I don't really have enough other information to write about it authoritatively. B&G had 2 other top 40 "break-in" hits ("Flying Saucer The 2nd", #18 in 1957 and "Santa And The Satellite (Parts I & II)", #32 in 1957) among many others released, and Goodman solo had one other top 40 "break-in" hit before "Mr. Jaws, "Energy Crisis '74" (#33 in 1974). I seem to recall there was also an "Energy Crisis '78" (possibly not by Goodman), and Dr. Demento played break-in records by a couple of other artists (one was a Chicago DJ, the other was I think an unknown) in the late 1970s. (Looks like more or less the everything Dickie Goodman ever did is now available on CD, though; see Amazon.)
Also... only slightly off-topic... I'm looking for any information about a particular mashup done of George H.W. Bush's speeches. There are at least two of them, but there's a particular one I'm looking for to which I haven't been able to find any references anywhere. Rather than cluttering this page, I'll put a more complete description here.
--Woozle 15:02, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "break-in" records a "flash in the pan?" 

message: :Image:Bootie_1-YearAnniversary.jpg seems to be linked in twice. AnonMoos 19:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image twice

message: Bastard pop → Mashup (music) … Rationale: Mashup (music) redirects to Bastard pop now, even though mashup is the more commonly-used term …  Recury 19:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support, at least 5 people (if you include me and the others at Talk:Mashup) have stumbled on this article and said "Oh, he means mashup. Why isn't it there, I wonder?" That is about 5 too many. Recury 19:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Add any additional comments
Moved Ashibaka tock 01:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
*Support, at least 5 people (if you include me and the others at Talk:Mashup) have stumbled on this article and said "Oh, he means mashup. Why isn't it there, I wonder?" That is about 5 too many. Recury 19:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: :Add any additional comments
Moved Ashibaka tock 01:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: Hi all,
I have delisted this article because its lead is too short, its references are insufficient for its size, its inline citations are non-existent and the move from bastard pop to mashup is incomplete (i.e. the article is unstable). There also appears to be some structural issues with the article. The Subgenres and External links sections could use trimming. And it is unusual for the bulk of an article on a musical genre to be under the heading History. The featured grunge music article may be helpful in developing this article. If you disagree with this delisting you can seek a review or if you feel the article has changed significantly to address these issues you can seek to renominate it.
Cedars 04:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reasons for delisting [as Good Article] 

message: This article is quickly turning into a page of promotional links - the bottom of the article is probably unneeded with all those links. The notable albums section should also be cut down and more strictly watched - I'm not sure of the popularity of most of the albums there and therefore have no idea which ones to remove? Can anyone help? Jack 11:40, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Promotional links 

message: I am adding "Sgt. Petsound's" to the list of notable bootlegs.  This is sure to upset some of you, which is why I am taking the time to explain why this is being done.
:*It is a bootleg.
:*It is notable, in accordance with WP:MUSIC.  Recently, Clayton Counts' article was proposed for deletion.  The overwhelming consensus was to keep the article, as it is well within Wikipedia's guidelines for notability.  
:*Other bootlegs in the list fail WP:MUSIC.
Whether Counts considers himself a member of this scene is irrelevant.  The Wikipedia standards for notability are clear: multiple, independent references from reliable sources.  If we aren't going to adhere objectively to these guidelines, then we may as well rename the subheading "bootlegs that the authors of this page believe to be notable."  Lists such as these need to be NPOV.  There are many bootlegs I enjoy more than the Beachles record, but I could say the same about others in the existing list.  This is not about whose bootlegs I like better.  I'm not proposing that anybody be dropped from the list for lack of notability, but if you ask me it could still use a little cleaning up.  According to WP:MUSIC, Counts' record is clearly more notable than some of the entries here, and that is all that is needed to warrant its inclusion.  Even if the entire world hates the Beachles, it has been determined to be notable, and no one can deny that it is a bootleg.  TrevorPearce 15:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: - TrevorPearce is Clayton Counts, I recognise the writing style and his previous page was removed by Clayton when it was revealed 'TrevorPearce' was him by another person. So this is vanity link spam. I've removed the Beachles, and I suggest it not be re-added, apart from the little press it received (much less than most other albums, and receiving a Cease & Desist is not notability, neither is getting aggro from EMI, myself and many others would be on there if that was the case...ditto EW press. Notability should be on other factors than a few mainstream news articles caused by legal issues, nor Google hits - otherwise the Wiki article WILL be link spam of dubious nature decided not by the mashup artists but the whims of legal departments - Tim, Radio Clash. --78.86.8.218 (talk) 18:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

text: - It was never "revealed" that I am Clayton Counts or anyone other than who I say I am.  I only wish I had the kind of free time Clayton has.  Just because some kid says I'm Clayton Counts and you blog about it doesn't mean anything.  My name is Trevor Raymond Pearce.  I also don't see how you're the judge of what is and isn't notable.  If it's listed in Wikipedia, its notability has been established.  You don't set the standard.  If something gets enough press to draw the ire of EMI, it deserves to be here.  What sour grapes.  TrevorPearce (talk) 02:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clayton Counts / The Beachles 

message: The entry about Black Box isn't quite right, the Ride On Time single was already in the UK charts before the lawyers got involved. The Ride on Time single was pulled from the shelves, the vocal was replaced with a soundalike and it was re-issued as Ride On Time(Remix). Stx 16:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Box

message: This article seems to use "a cappella" or "acappella" to mean "vocal track".  This definition isn't at [a cappella] or even Urban Dictionary, and to some of us old people, "a cappella" is still an adjective ofor adverb meaning unaccompanied by instruments, especially if sung by a group, especially Renaissance sacred music like Palestrina.  If people want to include it because it's the jargon of the mashup business, I think it needs to be defined rather than being used in the lead.  And I suggest an encyclopedia article should stick to widely recognized terms such as "vocal track", "vocal part", and even "singing" until this sense of "a cappella" becomes standard (if it ever does).
If "a cappella" is used, I think the article should be consistent about whether it's one word or two.  Likewise the article now uses both "mash up" and "mashup" for the noun.  I suggest making it consistent, and I strongly prefer "mashup" (or hyphenated).  —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 21:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm confused. A vocal track would be without instrumental accompaniment and thus describing it as "acappella" is standard per your description. Hyacinth (talk) 01:13, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For one thing, "a cappella" isn't a noun in standard usage.  Also, it applies to the whole performance or recording.  We can say that "Biko" by Peter Gabriel starts with an African a cappella chorus, but we can't say that then Gabriel sings a cappella (or unaccompanied) with a rock band accompaniment!  Even though he probably recorded his vocals as a separate track.  So I don't think an encyclopedia can call something recorded solo, but intended only for mixing with other tracks, "a cappella".  —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 20:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "a capella" and compound words 

message: *The best-known mashup in the U.S. is from an unauthorized album called "The Grey Album" which is put together by Brian Burton a.k.a as Danger Mouse. The vocals are from Jay-Z's "The Black Album" and the musical background is from the "White Album" by the Beatles.
Please Wikipedia:Cite your sources. Thanks! Hyacinth (talk) 03:18, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed: notable mashups

message: It seems strange that DJ Shadow and Cut Chemist's collaborations are unlisted here.
Brainfreeze was groundbreaking back in 1999 both for the techniques used and for the crate-digging prowess both DJs showed in their then-obscure selections.
Then, in 2001 they returned to their Brainfreeze project with Product Placement
In 2003, DJ Shadow put out Diminishing Returns, then again in 2005 he came with Funky Skunk.
Finally, in 2007/2008 DJ Shadow & Cut Chemist reunited for their Hard Sell tour.
The point, is that DJ Shadow and Cut Chemist have both been quite influential in this scene and deserve citing.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.231.108 (talk) 14:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never even heard of them. I was heavily involved in the mashup scene for about 2 years. Reading his page, it seems he just uses samples to create beats for music, which isn't exactly what mashups are.DJKingpin (talk) 16:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  DJ Shadow & Cut Chemist 

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thread_title: Image copyright problem with Image:Whipped cream.jpg

message: Huge swathes of uncited material. Arbitrarily connected themes. OR patchwork featuring many instances of synthesis. Reliable secondary sources that support said connections and that underpin the historical survey, as presented in the article, are required. Ideally needs to be stripped back and reconstructed using verifiable sources that deal explicitly with the subject matter. In total, this connectionist excursion is simply not supported by any verifiable sources and therefore fails WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:VER. Semitransgenic (talk) 15:47, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tags 

message: How about an page involving Mash-Up albums, After all... You have list of mashup songs page so what's the harm!!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.137.95 (talk) 07:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mash-Up Albums Page 

message: Obviously, this article should mention DJ Hero's relevance to the genre. It really kind of brings it all out into the light. Everybody knows that's not just "turntablism" - it's all mashups most of the way through the game. The turntablism sounds like it was added as an afterthought. --Nerd42 (talk) 01:07, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[DJ Hero]] 

message: re: citation needed for "bootleg" as a term.  Is http://www.bootiemashup.com/about/ good enough, or is the goal to find the seminal use of "bootleg" for a mashup rather than, say, an unauthorized live album? Given who they are and what they do, it's doubtful they'd object to Wikipedia using them...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bren Flibig (talk • contribs) 23:30, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  re first "citation needed" 

message: It looks like this article has had proper care and attention in the past.  But frankly it is a mess now.  A lot of very specific information of unclear importance, yet mostly uncited.  Evidence of many editors publicising their favourites acts with no regard to the cohesiveness of the article.  It's muddled, full of original research and transparent opinion.   I'm going to attempt to address a lot of this... --Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:36, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article is a mess 

message: Most of the article indicates that Mash-ups are more or less completely DJ made so do the songs from Glee actually count as mash-ups, or is there another name for them? Will Bradshaw (talk) 23:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't think Glee should be here, neither I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue or Quodlibet - as someone involved in mashups/cutup culture (bastard pop/bootlegs as they were called then) since 2002 an following cutups since early 90's the first time I heard of those being anything to do with mashups was this page. I think they are an off-topic diversion, a footnote maybe but definitely NOT a direct influence. Rather than me removing them and surprise-surprise they pop up again *sigh* can someone with WikiAuthority remove them or decide? Certainly it's obvious that people heavily involved with mashups have not written this page - it reads as half link spam and half wrong or confusing... = Tim / Radio Clash  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.8.218 (talk) 19:11, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does Glee count? 

message: I'm kinda shocked that there is no mention of the hip hop mixtape Dj's from the early to mid 90s in New York - Doo Wop and Ron G specifically.  Before the term "mash up" even existed these two hip hop dj's were putting acapellas from contemporary R&B records over Hip Hop instrumentals to give the song more street appeal except they were called blends.
If you read all the entries listed under "Mashup (music)" and read the years these separate incidents took place you will see a big gap in the years from 1987 to 1995.  These hip hop mixtape DJs mentioned are the missing link.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sloppy dirt (talk • contribs) 04:14, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  HIP HOP MIXTAPE DJS 

message: """To the extent that such works are 'transformative' of original content, they may find protection from copyright claims under the "fair use" doctrine of copyright law.[3]"""
I am prety sure not. I'm prety sure copyrigth protects against transformation too (not just copy).
Hmm... I see now the problem. This page, the discussions, are confusing recreation with remixing.
Marius63 (talk) 19:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use--not 

message: I won't bother to re-add them (again for the 3rd time) but question - why is relatively unknown mashup albums on there, whereas albums such as London Booted (London Calling by The Clash mashed for the 25th anniversary), Parkspliced (Blur's Low Life, 10th anniversary) and GYBO's Created A Monster - some of the first mashup albums that came out after or at the same time as the Grey Album are ignored? 
London Booted eventually made a (quietly sanctioned) vinyl release on Prankmonkey which makes it notable amongst most mashup albums that don't get release - even a CD in Japan with all the tracks. Before than was GYBO's I Created a Monster, which was more of a mashup compilation so might not count - but the Blur - Parkspliced was shortly after that in 2004. 
Can I recommend they are added as some of the first - also the influence of GYBO, which GYBO's switching hosts and deleting boards probably affects the Google ranking for these, although you should see Boing Boing and various picking it up, as well as the Discogs entries - and indeed my blog posts on the projects, but to declare my interest I wasn't running either of these, I had one track on either as 'Instamatic', nothing on the first, but surprised as they got a lot of press and a rare physical release that they don't qualify as notable? Why is that? - Tim, Radio Clash.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.8.218 (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  London Booted / early mashup albums 

message: It might be worthwhile to include the difference between a mash-up and a medley, due to or in addition to the fact that the terms are often confused in popular culture.  (For example, Mash-Up (Glee), in both title and content, uses "mash-up" when referring to medleys.) Calbaer (talk) 06:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular confusion with "Medley"

message: Any serious contributors to this article take note: it is overlong, full of all sorts of self-promotion, non-notable artists/albums, irrelevant information (cut-ups) and so on. I propose giving it a good kick in the nuts/ovaries (let's be PC here) and trying to make it encyclopaedic. Cue oohs and aaahs with fairy lights and tinkly tinkly music. Anyone willing to help out, chime in, or otherwise give their informed opinion on say the US mashup scene and its notable proponents, please make yourselves known.
Or, as a duly appointed scurvy-infested pirate Cap'n, I will hack'n'slash my way through it alone ;-) A warning shot across ye bows. CaptainScreebo Parley! 18:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. This whole thing needs to be overhauled. I think the biggest issue is the initial definition of "mashup" which is so open-ended  that contributors have looped in the concept of musical covers, remixes, and sampling with the 2000 era-specific musical movement of "mashups."  The open-ended definition of mashup in this article opens the door for artists who are especially NOT mashup artists, glaringly, the influential hip-hop group N.W.A.  StickerMug (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Four years later and this page is again (or still) a damnable mess. Rob T Firefly (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hear ye, hear ye! Proposal to overhaul this article 

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message: In the current DJ world, a "mashup" mixes two songs together to create something new, while a "bootleg" is still substantially like the original track - usually a pop song, and is usually used to provoke a cheer from the crowd who recognizes the original song (for example, a Michael Jackson song chorus inserted between two house music tracks.) 
The term "bootleg" is used to indicate used without any rights clearance, so you will never see that "bootleg" on any "live CD" that is for sale, and thus will only be used in a performance, where different performance rights are in effect.
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thread_title:  Modern DJ use of "bootleg" is still not on Wikipedia 

message: https://www.discogs.com/master/306877-The-Ventures-The-Ventures-Christmas-Album
Every track on this LP, as far as I can tell, is a mashup of a contemporary rock hit with a Christmas standard. I am not sure if there is a source out there that talks about this, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of those who care because it predates the Nilsson song listed in the article as the first mashup.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:8100:F7E:A9EC:69DF:1037:649A (talk) 20:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ventures Christmas Album 1965