Talk:Gunbound/Archive 1

message: This section must describe the game's rules, modes, and all objects in field of play (that includes the mobiles).  Expect to write explanations so that a NON-Gunbound player can look at a screenshot of a game screen and be able to understand what is going on. KyuuA4 19:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Game Play Section

message: Should we really remove them? They're official sites, after all. NickBush24 10:09, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
no reason to remove any official or highly significant links.  this has mostly been covered in the earlier discussion. --nicolas.b 12:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: However the global portal is not up to date anymore. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phil.andy.graves (talk • contribs) 17:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Concerning the list of official international websites

message: *I know that Turtle's SS Does not absorb "Force" effects until after it has split.
*I have also heard that J-Frog's SS does not absorb Lightning.
Whether there are any more effects like this I am unaware. I suggest we place them here and discuss them before we legitimatly add them. Carbunkel 01:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Special Mobile info 

message: I edited the defense reduction done by the Ice's SS from 20 to 5 as recent updates have changed its effects.
Tsukao 21:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding Ice SS/55 

message: It isn't free anymore, is it? --Gary King 04:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Free? 

message: Is this really appropriate for the page? If every subject that has a certain lingo or slang listed it in the article, it would be rediculous. Not to mention that the slang is probably unverifiable by a reputable source. Krabstarr 06:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if we were to limit the slang list to acronyms and terms more or less unique to GunBound (nado, haircut, sg, etc...) and let other articles like Internet Slang take care of the rest?  Perhaps a "Video Game Slang" article could be in order.  Filter bypass stuff should probably be left out entirely;  not only are those generally easy to figure out, but there are way too many to keep track of. --GlennHideaki 19:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's already a separate article on leet speak.  No need to have a specialized one for GB. KyuuA4 19:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, a good deal of the items on the list don't pertain JUST to Gunbound, like gg and gl. And I agree on losing the filter bypass stuff too. That section just needs an overhaul and should be focused on Gunbound-specific terms. Krabstarr 00:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slang Section 

message: Can we get a citation for this please? Krabstarr 02:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of the changes by 162.84.168.183 were bogus.  I have to hand it to him/her for creativity, though. --GlennHideaki 17:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy in Uganda 

message: If you want to make up Random stuff about Gunbound go to the uncyclopedia article I made. Click this doodad--->
*Carbunkel 19:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Random stuff

message: There should be a section explaining what weather patterns are on what maps in what order. I can't do this at the moment; hopefully someone can help me.
Freddie 17:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather Patterns on Maps 

message: I'm thinking about making articles about each bot. Their attacks, story, etc. If anyone has anything to say or their own opinion, please say it out loud either here or at my talk page.
Freddie 03:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't argue with you about this, but it's like making a page for each car in Gran Tourismo. Phil.andy.graves 17:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for each Bot 

message: I did a major overhaul on "List of GunBound mobiles and their attacks" and took out any racial words or inaccuracies.
Please trust my judgement, I am a veteran of the game and take part in guide discussions for the mobiles. 
However, this part of of the wikipedia entry needs a lot more work still...
Mezzaninex 07:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of GunBound mobiles and their attacks 

message: What happened to the earlier discussions?  Are they archived somewhere?  It's nice to see that there is now a TOC of discussions, but discouraging that i don't see the comments from earlier curators.  Specifically those who came before me when i did some work here in 2005.--nicolas.b 10:42, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happened to the earlier discussions? 

message: In a few days the entire GunBound Article will be revamped by me. Feel free to help me/give me a few pointers at my Talk page or feel free to edit the draft. Also, List of GunBound Mobiles and their Attacks needs an article on its own. Discuss at this page. (Note: that new article needs images.)
FreddieAgainst Userbox Deletion? 01:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rebvamp is done. Freddie 14:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Revamp?  There's nothing left in this article. KyuuA4 19:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GunBound Article Revamp 

message: I feel that something should be added about the culture of the game, especially the lower levels, which garner a very significant amount of immaturity (moreso than most online games) due to the avg. age of the player (mid teens). This causes many a player to stop playing because its simply not worth it to move up in the rankings... If there arent any objections, I might type up something myself in the near future. --124.98.228.50 12:04, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Culture? 

message: Because of the abrupt change in...well... everything about gunbound but especially the new online system and the change from "gold" to "ijji gold", theres obviously been some kind of a deal in between Softnyx and Ijji. Because I a) dont know korean and b) really dont want to sift through the graphical mess that is the softnyx site, does anyone know exactly what happened? --Platonic Nirvana 21:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolution -- deal? 

message: I changed a couple of things that were bothering me, a spelling thing (Internation -> International) and reworded the phrase "can do none or some of to the following" under Gameplay to read "May be able to do some of the following". 
In gameplay the control F8 to skip a turn is mentioned, and I'm wondering if that's appropriate. Should controls be mentioned at all in the article? And if so, shouldn't that be its own section? Just looking for some input.
Phateunknown 21:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed that as well, and it seems that my major edits have mostly been undone. The F8 to skip a turn is appropriate, as it is related to gameplay, and in my version, it does have its own section. However, the phrase "can do none or some of the following" is most definetly not appropriate, and does not comply with the NPOV policy. Feel free to edit this article as you wish, but please don't vandalize. Fredil Yupigo 00:04, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyediting 

message: No point having a separate article on this as its exactly the same game but just played on a different group of servers. Recommend merge Bwithh 18:43, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, not very well, but all the info is now here. -- Prod-You 18:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gunbound Revolution merge

message: This article still reads like a video game guide or instruction manual. Needs to be rewritten/edited down to an encyclopedia article. Bwithh 00:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's pretty clear. If we need a rewrite (aka adding more info to it), it will turn into a strategy guide. In fact, it should be time to stubify it again. OhanaUnitedTalk page 17:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Rewrite

message: How exactly does this game meet WP:WEB or WP:SOFTWARE?  I'm not seeing any references that prove notability. Is there a major review somewhere that I missed? --Elonka 21:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tend to agree, sending to AfD. I can't find a thing on Google except for self-published stuff and a couple of strategy guides. Seraphimblade 19:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How odd, I googled it and the first thing that came up was the official Gunbound website. I have often heard, to wit, "non-notable" defined as "Anything the person defining non-notable doesn't care about." Reading the website, I see sufficient evidence of notability for this article. However, and this is a big "however", this article is not suitable in its current form and needs to be trimmed down and wikified. I think that considering the subject matter, this article should be about a quarter of its current size. I'm hoping for someone else to take a shot at this as I tend to be a little heavy-handed in such matters and would chop up this article into about two paragraphs. Trusilver 07:18, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did see that myself. However, the WP:WEB criterion is that the writeups must be "independent of the site itself"-as of course the game's own website is not, nor can I find any coverage of this game which is. What's the evidence of notability on the official website-I didn't read it, does the website itself link to secondary sources? Please do keep in mind, popularity is not a criterion of notability, as seems to be a common misunderstanding here. I'm not sure what -to- write, as there's not a thing I can find from any reliable secondary source. Seraphimblade 07:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Digging around on Google and Gamefaqs I found quite a bit of material on this, the only problem is that there is a big disparity on this subject between the wealth of information and the wealth of "reputable" information. As much as I didn't want to get dragged into the rewrite of this article, I'm going to spend a day or two digging to see if I can find any source information that lives up to Wiki standards. Trusilver 07:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, seraphimblade, I'm going to concede on this one. I have spent two days trying to find reputable independant information on this game, (taking time away from my other projects that I don't have.) and I have come up empty on it. If you decide to nominate this for deletion based on non-notability, you will have my second. Trusilver 18:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability concerns

message: I have to disagree with the merger between the normal Gun Bound article and the seperate Gun Bound Revolution article. If I'm not mistaken, this is English Wikipeida, not US Wikipedia, and other English speaking countries of the world like the United Kingdom don't use Gun Bound Revolution, they use Gun Bound World Champion. Zeotronic 22:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Restore Revolution Article

message: As per consensus in the AfD I cut down the article to its essentials. This means most of the removed material should not be re-added, and all material that is re-added should be sourced using reliable independent sources to back it up. Wikipedia is not a game guide, and the article can potentially be deleted under the WP:NOT policy. ~ trialsanderrors 06:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to try to improve the article this week, but I want to point out that the consensus on the AfD was not to cut down the article to its essentials. Certainly everyone seems to agree that a rewrite is necessary, but this was not "mandated," nor is there a policy that allows deletion under WP:NOT in the absence of a successful AFD. Let us proceed to improve this article without being overzealous about trimming it. There is a great deal of valuable information that can be sourced and included. Andre (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: AfD closure

message: true, the old article versions weren't that great but having a stub like this doesn't help wikipedia at all. You might as well delete it than have that short of an article. Or let's all stubify the video game articles like Final Fantasy or ChronoTrigger. Yea, that would really help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.107.17.71 (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  i think thats overkill 

message: I just removed the following external links from the article:
Polish GunBound:WC community/forum
Obviously just an advertisement. Besides, I highly doubt a message board with about 100 posts is notable.
GunBound resources -- GunBound tip and tricks
Didn't seem notable enough to me. It seemed like a site with some information about PLAYING the game, not about it. Also, 50% of the site is just blatant advertising.
Bunge Holes -- GunBound fansite
The link description says it for me. Fansite. Not only did it lack the information needed to possibly be included, but it doesn't seem like a reputable source of information to me.
Fire! The Gunbound Fanlisting
Nothing more than an email directory of people who play the game. This article is about the game itself - not those that play it.
If any of you disagree, feel free to re-add them. However, I kindly ask that you back up your claim as to why any of these sites should be included in the article.
Ibm2431 08:28, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link Removal 

message: Complete and major overwrite. Implemented Wikipedia MoS and cleaned up non-verifiable facts. Removed notices. Please do not revert completely and add notices again if you think the article is not clean.
--Raghavsethi 08:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Rewrite 

message: thuglastalk|edits 17:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creation 

message: I remembered a critism on this, or maybe another pedia. That one was deleted, and the critism here was taken off. Why?
I remember it too, I'm going to tag i think. thuglastalk|edits 05:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critism? 

message: Who wrote about a new mobile call Raven? Is it a rumour? Or it exists?
OhanaUnited 05:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Raven?! 

message: Some idiots have been found altering facts on this page to total crap or adding things to it as though it were a strategy guide. Reverting to my last update.
Spotted vandals:
- 69.156.62.88
- 69.238.209.186
- 64.178.106.112
- Eddieqi
I suggest someone take action on these users a.s.a.p.
KajiTetsushi 05:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism on the page

message: The article looks sufficient, but we're always catching users toy with it - we might as well take a stronger action than simple reverting. Adding semi-protection tag... KajiTetsushi 14:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the tag, as it's not for use on articles which have not actually been semi-protected by an administrator. Please keep in mind that this is a wiki, and other users are allowed to "toy with" the article so long as their edits are in good faith, no one owns it. Semi-protection is only for use when clear, obvious vandalism is occurring at a high rate on a given article, that doesn't seem to be the case here. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 14:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should also add in what mobile belongs to which group. For a new player who never heard of Gunbound, it's totally possible that they think Bigfoot is an organic mobile (references to the mythlogical creature Bigfoot). If no one objects, I'll add that in. OhanaUnited 02:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay. I second that motion. KajiTetsushi 10:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Article complete. Protection needed.

message: Since the last few reverts, someone has removed information concerning avatars and game currency. It used to be here quite some time back. So, I reverted the article so that the aforementioned information is there for everyone to see. KajiTetsushi 05:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. Someone tried to revert but didn't do the whole thing completely. Sometimes it is vandalized more than once before it is reverted so some info were lost. OhanaUnited 04:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Avatar and game currency info missing

message: I remember someone adding what I might call minor tidbits about the game. An example is Score mode being most commonly played over the GB servers.
Shouldn't that stuff be deleted or be classified as trivia? I'm just trying to keep up with the Keep and Stubtify decision of this community.KajiTetsushi 04:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is "Commonly played game mode or not?" a trivia?

message: May I also recommend that we shift the Avatar details into an article subtopic? From the way I see it, it looks a bit too lengthy. Again, we <B>ARE</B> trying to keep this article as short and as easily readable as possible, aren't we? KajiTetsushi 04:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Avatar specifications too long

message: What's this about something called "Fortress vs. Gunbound"?  GameFAQs has an entry about the game, but I saw no real info about it other than it's by some company called "Nate" and Softnyx.  The message board didn't even have any info...  So what is it?  ~ Joseph Collins (U)(T)(C) 20:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fortress vs. Gunbound? 

message: This article has no assertion of notability, and any such claim would need to be verifiable through reliable sources. Without these the article is wide open for a deletion nomination. DarkSaber2k 09:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the critical reception section since GameFAQs is not, and has never been accepted as a reliable source, due to all the reviews being user-submitted. Please discuss it here before re-adding. DarkSaber2k 08:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability and sources