Talk:Sith/Archive 1

message: "After redeeming Malak's apprentice, Bastila Shan..."  In the game, there is also the opportunity to kill Bastila.  That needs to be adressed. --Phoenix Hacker 04:16, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
:This is true, but that option is not part of the true canonical light side ending.
:Referring to Bastila as Malak's apprentice seems to be misguiding. I think it should be mentioned that she was a companion to (and friend of) Revan, and was bonded to Revan through the Force. -Xol 22:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bastila 

message: To my knowledge, a Dark Jedi is _any_ Jedi who has turned to the dark side of the Force.  But a Sith is only one who has specifically learned from the current Dark Lord of the Sith, hence being part of the Sith Order.  Shouldn't 'Dark Jedi' and 'Sith' be seperate articles to represent this? —qrc 22:26, May 24, 2005 (UTC)
:There is a separate article: Dark Jedi, but that article claims that Dark Jedi cannot be affiliated with the Sith. I'll put up another section on it's talk page, because as far as I know the force-using Sith are Dark Jedi. -Xol 23:35, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sith are a subset of Dark Jedi; the article is still correct since the Sith have different philosophies from Dark Jedi, which is largely what differentiates them (the lore and abilities being bonuses). --maru  (talk) Contribs 02:20, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, although it could be disputed that, as per KOTOR, Force-capable Sith can be referred to as Dark Jedi. I do understand that, especially in the New Republic times, Dark Jedi separate themselves from the Sith. It's a minor point, and I admit I'm not so well versed in ABY history. Thanks, -Xol 02:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sith vs. Dark Jedi 

message: I've added a paragraph about Dark Jedi. Perhaps it could be incorporated into a seperate article...
:You mean like, say, Dark Jedi? :) --maru 22:18, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark Jedi 

message: when and where did George Lucas describe Qui-Gon Jinn as Grey Jedi??i doubt this information. Darth Kevinmhk 2 July 2005 03:43 (UTC)
:I cant give you a source but i am led to believe that he is called this because he follows the "Living Force" as opposed to the "Unifying Force" which most jedi follow. The former uses one's feelings (like anger or joy) to interact with others (either aggresivly or peacefully) and the latter relies on calm and meditation to connect you to the power of the Force. 70.105.68.30 23:26, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grey Jedi 

message: im impressed how this has sucha long space, yet mayor important historic stuff have less space than this (and all in all, this sith thing is just a commercial thing), it lacks the importance for the space it has. making it a little bit shorter wouldnt hurt. -Anon.
:Well, consider, Anonymous, that these articles are written by people as a charity/hobby, so it makes sense that things that people enjoy would receive more attention. The historical articles are less interesting, so they get neglected. But take heart! One day someone who likes that stuff will come along and expand them.  Heck, when all the interesting stuff is done, we'll have no choice.
:And why should we make it shorter?  This article being long does no harm to the other articles- Wikipedia is not paper, after all. --Maru  (talk) Contribs 06:02, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: These articles are written by people who pay no attention to Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Jibal 21:55, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long!! 

message: I notice how the section dedicated to the Great Sith War was left blank are there any plans to add information to that section anytime in the near future?
:Eurggh... >.<  Let me put it this way anon- the fact that so much content was lost even with all the editors watching it and reverting it just shows you how intense the vandalism is. I'm semi-protecting it.  It's a lot easier to deal with the registered user vandalism than with the multiple and concatenated anonymous users' vandalism (no offense). Incidentally, I've done a long term full revert, so all the missing content should be back. --maru  (talk) Contribs 20:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Great Sith War 

message: Shouldn't Revan's Empire be divided into his enemies + allies. I did this previously but it has been changed back. As an explanation: Revan's allies (his side) are those whom he joined with when returning to the Dark Side after his mind wipe. Using the heading "Revan's Sith Empire" sounds like they were all his allies, when he actually killed most of them. If no one disagrees, I'll split it up again in a few days. -Xol 23:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point is well taken, although since Revan did not truly return to the dark side after the Jedi Council wiped his mind, splitting up this section accordingly seems like it might be a source of confusion. The current title, "Darth Revan's Sith Empire," does seem to suggest that he ruled it for its entire duration, however, which he clearly did not. I shall change it to something more apropos. Jon Hart 01:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, it looks great now (and I understand it better). This is a much better solution. -Xol 03:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

text: How's that? Jon Hart 02:55, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone else added a note at the top of the Lesser Sith section - an * denotes returned to light side. Take for example Dustil Onasi: he returned to the light side in the canon light-side gameplay. Same with Bastila Shan (of course, she could die too, but the * system there is now does a nice job of keeping those people in the list without making them seem quite so evil. -Xol 15:04, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that was me. I take it that's what you had in mind? Jon Hart 22:42, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revan's Empire... now ''The Second Sith Empire'' 

message: :"Following the Yuuzhan Vong War, however, Jedi Master Kyle Katarn encountered a Force-strong Yuuzhan Vong female in the mysterious Cloak of the Sith region of the galaxy, where it was rumored that post-Palpatine Sith still lived. Powerful though she was, Kyle sensed an even darker hand behind her training. Ominously, this Yuuzhan Vong had apparently had a Master."
Can that be proven?  I have yet to find a source for that information.  --Jedi6 02:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahem. The Dark Forces Saga, Part 2: Unsung Heroes of the Light. --maru  (talk) Contribs 22:44, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that canon?  I thought that was just a made up scenario for the role playing game? --Jedi6 05:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember your canon rules- the stats and specific D&D elements are not canon, but the backstory information is very much canon, which is a good thing else the history of lots of characters would be pretty pathetic, and the entire EU even more inconsistent than it already is. --maru  (talk) Contribs 07:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lumiya 

message: :"In the new Star Wars game, the main villain is known as Corniche, an alien sith of hideous appearance with tiny wrinkled hands but an aggressive streak that belys his puny, weak and child-like stature. In the game, he succumbs to some sort of infection that corrupts his hands and face, causing one character to remark, "Looks like he's been dipped in some sorta acid". Following The Wars of The Library, his passwords that allowed him to access the computerised information were changed and he was expelled from the Library. His parting shriek of "Just because I've got crusty sores all over my body..." must surely be some of the most famous in Star Wars history, even more so than Oliys denial that he had excreted urea based substances during the Mathematical Challenge in the Hall of The Queen."
Can anyone verify this? It doesn't even say what game. Jedi6-(need help?) 21:19, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I couldn't believe that if it were in a real game, just for the urea comment. --maru  (talk) contribs 04:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corniche?? 

message: --Three-Tail 06:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the title of the game says, they are Sith Lords. Jon Hart 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sith Deaths 

message: --user:Lord Thyronous 10:50 18, may 2006 I believe that the true chosen one is luke. he destroyed the sith. only with the help of darth vader.
:You're wrong. Jon Hart 15:34, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Jedi Prophecy

message: Why the hell does it say Visas Marr as one of the "Lords of Malechore"?
I'm changing it.
*Its not Malechore, its Malachor. Jasca Ducato 20:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Lords of Malachor" 

message: I don't think the original research addition to this section of the article is relevant. What does the Buddha (not buda) have to do with the sith?  User:NpaK13 1:00, 11 November 2006
:Nothing, just like the Celtic stuff that's there- the first paragraph of that section is the only one that isn't OR (although it could use references).  --DarthBinky 07:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is anything that George borrowed from then it's:
Seid or seiðr is an Old Norse language term for a type of sorcery or witchcraft which was practiced by the pre-Christian Norse.
Sometimes anglicized as "seidhr", "seidh", "seidr", "seithr" or "seith", the term is also used to refer to modern Neopagan reconstructions or emulations of the practice. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.60.12.119 (talk) 06:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reference to Irish Fae, Sidhe is bunk. The word is in no way similar in pronunciation. In Irish Gaelic an s as the start of a word followed by a vowl takes on a an sh sound. Furthermore the dhe as the end of the word has an ee sound. Therefor the pronunciation of sidhe is SHEE not SITH. If you were to pronounce Sith with gaelic pronunciation it would sound like SHEH See: http://www.standingstones.com/gaelpron.html That being said I am removing the line. --Sorrowsfemme  18:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Etymology of the word Sith" 

message: The Sith Code couldn't have appeared first in the KOTOR games, because I remember it being in the third edition of the A Guide To The Star Wars Universe, which came out a short while after The Phantom Menace. Anyone know where it originated? (DrZarkov 23:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It originated in KOTOR. Jon Hart 16:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of Sith Code?

message: This article discusses how the jedi parallel the samurai, so the sith must have its roots in some sort of anti-samurai. Ronin, or masterless samurai, may represent this anti-samurai. They were expected to kill themselves, had great personal freedom, and were looked down upon or envied by samurai. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.162.241.244 (talk) 03:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article includes a bunch of fanboys' opinions and speculations about sith, jedi, and parallels.  Those, like your own, have no place in Wikipedia. -- Jibal 22:14, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  anti-samurai 

message: that's interesting, but why isn't Darth Sidious included in that list? also, it's really hard to say whether they were the most wise, unless you can find a quote from canon which supports that. Whateley23 21:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Galaxy-Ruling Sith