Talk:Eyam

message: Questioned images moved here for discussion - WBardwin 02:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
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message: This can't be true. The Romans would have left before the founding of a village by Anglo-Saxons they definitely wouldn't have returned to mine!! Possibly there was  a Roman mine and small settlement in the area prior to the founding of Eyam by the later Germanic incomers? --  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.108.153.194 (talk) 22:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Founded by Saxons and mined by Romans???

message: Just about to remove this in reference to the Plague section:
"The cloth was opened by the tailor's assistant, George."
Pursey 10:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Still fear that this is unverifiable, but I'm not going to remove it again, lest Start an edit war. Pursey 10:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

text: It is not unverifiable. In a video produced for the University of Derby as an introduction to the module: Public Health: International Perspectives which is part of the BSc Nursing Studies programme, it is very clearly stated that George Viccars, who lodged with the tailor (Alexander Hadfield), and was his assistant who unpacked the cloth. See: Historical perspective of public health practice - The story of Eyam at about 1 min:25 sec. George Viccar's death is portrayed in one of the stained glass windows of the church at Eyam. See also here and here. ServeDotty (talk) 15:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: But is that story verifiable? It seems to me to be a local legend, most likley an embellished retelling of the truth. EmilySarah99 (talk) 03:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Unverifiable Information 

message: I have noticed that the introductory section states "chose to isolate itself when the plague was found in the village in August 1665" but this seems inconsistent with the statement in the Plague History section that "They introduced a number of precautions to slow the spread of the illness from May 1665".  Upon re-reading this I would think (not knowing the facts myself) that it was perhaps the decision to isolate that was taken in August, with the discovery having taken place some months earlier?  It might be worth re-phrasing to clarify the article on this point, perhaps adding the date of discovery if it is known.
Richard
23 Dec 2008
81.174.171.147 (talk) 14:35, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarity/accuracy of dates? 

message: I have a photograph of this cross taken by me in 2006 while visiting Eyam and there is a small sign beside the cross which clearly states that it is from the 8th Century A.D. NolaGal (talk) 16:07, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The section Anglo-Saxon cross suggests that the cross used to be "at the side of a cart track near Eyam" and a couple of sentences later "on a moor outside the village". The two aren't necessarily incompatible, but it could do with rewording by someone who knows the true situation (or clarifying, if sources differ). Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: see http://megalithix.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/eyam-cross/ -- 78.52.191.221 (talk) 21:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celtic Cross Photograph 

message: S.o. changed the pron. from "eem" to "aym". Anyone know which? — kwami (talk) 02:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  pronunciation 

message: http://digital.library.villanova.edu/Cuala%20Press%20Broadside%20Collection/Broadside-00030.xml -- 92.226.210.82 (talk) 23:47, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
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message: An excellent background to growing up in Eyam in late 19th and early 20th century is given by Doris Coates in her book "Tunes on a Penny Whistle - a Derbyshire childhood". Published by Sutton Publishing Ltd. 1993.
Tony Cardy
9.12.14
103.241.57.172 (talk) 21:15, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for mentioning this. Statements made in articles need to be substantiated with a reference, however, and I cannot find one online that mentions that the book gives an account of growing up in Eyam. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 09:20, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

text: Here you are: "This book is a personal history of a childhood in the village of Eyam – known as the Plague Village – in the Peak District of Derbyshire... " Tunes on a Penny Whistle: A Derbyshire Childhood Kindle Edition and, if you are worried about itclick on "Look Inside" and you will see references (including a sketch of a cottage) to Eyam. All you really need to do is a Google Search for the book title. ServeDotty (talk) 18:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eyam recollections 

message: In the 3rd paragraph of the Plague outbreak section it says: The plague ran its course over 14 months and one account states that it killed at least 260 villagers, with only 83 surviving out of a population of 350. This figure has been challenged on a number of occasions with alternative figures of 430 survivors from a population of around 800 being given. The church in Eyam has a record of 273 individuals who were victims of the plague.
However, this does not seem to be consistent with the Great Plague of London page, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Plague_of_London.
In the last paragraph of the Height of the epidemic section, it says: the outbreak affected other areas of the country as well. Perhaps the most famous example was the village of Eyam in Derbyshire. The plague allegedly arrived with a merchant carrying a parcel of cloth sent from London, although this is a disputed point. The villagers imposed a quarantine on themselves to stop the further spread of the disease. This prevented the disease from moving into surrounding areas but the cost to the village was the death of around 80% of its inhabitants over a period of fourteen months.
Anyone know what we should do about this?
I've put this on the Great Plague of London talk page as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adlihtam (talk • contribs) 17:22, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: https://www.eyam-museum.org.uk/assets/files/eyam-population-1664-1667.pdf EmilySarah99 (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency/accuracy of death/mortality rates 

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message: A shift of emphasis regarding the village's notability has been suggested by Awien. Awien believes that Eyam is best known for the action of the villagers in isolating themselves from local communities so that the plague did not spread. However, it has been promoting itself as "the plague village" for all the decades since I first became aware of it, putting the emphasis on the fact that this was a rare outbreak locally, having been carried  by chance from London, the Great Plague's centre. Awien says the phrase "plague village" does not appear on the village's website, which has changed since I last looked at it. However, a Google search for the Eyam site came up with "Eyam historic  plague village" in its result, which suggests that this was formerly how it presented itself. It is also so described on such sites as Trip Advisor, where the village museum is noted as focusing on the plague itself; and on the Peak District and Derbyshire and the Peak District Information sites. The phrase also occurs in a BBC feature detailing the effect of the plague on the villagers; and is considered in a piece of academic research detailing the interaction between the place's identity as "plague village" and the tourist industry. Naturally the self-sacrifice of the villagers is an important part of the story, but it is not, as Awien wishes to make it, the principal point of interest. Sweetpool50 (talk) 12:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Eyam would not be famous if it hadn't been for the action of the villagers in quarantining themselves, as the very first sentence in its own website makes clear: "An outbreak of the plague was contained when the villagers decided to isolate themselves from the surrounding communities." Awien (talk) 13:41, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I endorse your proposed rewrite, but you would do well to modify your hectoring tone. Awien (talk) 14:40, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Awien about hectoring tone.--Geysirhead (talk) 09:41, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plague village 

message: Plague survivorship might have been caused by gene delta32: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfRJEm96Lgo. 67.209.130.179 (talk) 05:46, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting but inappropriate for the following reasons: the way this is worded, it's only speculation so far; the source is a subscription only channel, which is inadmissable per WP:SOURCE; this article is about Eyam, not the plague, so the speculation is WP:OFFTOPIC. Sweetpool50 (talk) 06:42, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plague 

message: Hello sweetpool50. I understand your point "if all facts are true, how can they be questioned?"
The OED says a fact is "a thing that is known or proved to be true." Also, is there such a thing as a false fact? (Let's leave former American presidents out of the discussion.) Plus, wasn't there a film called TRUE LIES?
One can tie oneself in a logical knot over two words!  That is always a signal to me that the sentence needs to be reworded rather than a single word. What do you think of:
"Although THE  legend has been kept alive by a growing number of literary works since the early 19th century, IT HAS BEEN QUESTIONED RECENTLY."
We must then ask whether there is a reference for it being questioned.  The article has enough discussion of that, but it is at the end. At the moment the supposed events are called history rather than legend, and the exception is immediately followed by Places of Interest. 
I have reached the point of wondering if anyone really cares, so I will let your revert stand unless you want to stir things up further. Humphrey Tribble (talk) 17:10, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for returning to this matter, . I found the wording of the summary a bit abrupt, and there was a careless space left in the edit, so I reverted. I appreciated your point, however, although I was too lazy to think about a more precise wording at the time. Since a lead's purpose is to sum up what is said in the article, I don't see the need to provide a reference in anticipation of what is said in the final section. Hopefully, it will encourage readers to distrust the tourist hype at the centre of the article. If we substitute 'story' for the word 'legend' which troubles you, then perhaps we can agree on concluding with although the story has been kept alive by a growing number of literary works since the early 19th century, its truth has been questioned recently to express what both of us want to say. Sweetpool50 (talk) 19:19, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts and history, or just legend