Talk:Hartpury College

message: Hi Wikipedia, please could you change the name of this page to reflect the name of the institution? Hartpury University and Hartpury College? The institution is no longer Hartpury College. Thank you --Sophiechamings (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As you will note this was discussed above and will not go further for the moment.Svejk74 (talk) 19:24, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel that it is important to point out, again, that this is COI account interference. A person with the same name as the user account posting here is the head of marketing and communications at Hartpury college. ElAhrairah inspect damage⁄berate 19:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please change page name to reflect business name 

message: Hello editors. We would very much like to work with you to get some basic factual (not marketing) updates made on the Hartpury University / College business page. 
We understand your important role, protecting the integrity that Wikipedia offers and appreciate the need to abide by your codes of practice. Given this, would it be appropriate for us to suggest possible factual additions, for example, about our history and estate details, to the article on this talk page for moderators to discuss and decide whether appropriate? Many thanks for considering it. HUandHC Andrew (talk) 16:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Suggesting this here sounds a good plan to me. Tacyarg (talk) 20:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page updates 

message: Hi there, I appreciate this has been requested before but, given the institution's increased reputation and knowledge publicly of the name change that occurred over four years ago, I hope you will agree that it now would be fair to move/retitle this page to the full business name - Hartpury University and Hartpury College. By way of full disclosure, I am an employee of the organisation. My intention here is simply to ensure it is accurately referenced online, and particularly via high authority pages such as Wikipedia, as a provider of both university and college courses. You will notice I have been slowly making changes to that end over recent weeks. Thanks for your consideration. SDMACO86hartpury (talk) 23:00, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Setting aside the conflict of interest issues and that this user has been editing the article. I wasn't part of the earlier discussion but it looks to me as if reliable sources do indicate that this is a university. See the Office of Students Register entry. If I am reading this correctly, Hartpury has university status despite not having degree awarding powers. On this basis, I would cautiously support a change of name for the article. Though WP:SIGCOV in reliable non-primary sources would clearly be preferable - here for instance is the Guardian in 2021 calling it a college. Tacyarg (talk) 17:28, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll add, though not connected with the renaming, that I'd like to see better references for the National Student Survey results and Whatuni Student Choice Awards. I can't find any national and non-primary coverage of either measure, and am wondering if they are not in fact notable achievements. Tacyarg (talk) 19:25, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Could you please advise any other required steps, or when the move is likely to happen? Thank you again.  SDMACO86hartpury (talk) 14:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am hesitant to make the move without other input as I note that it has been protected because of previous moves against talk page consensus. Do any other editors have views? Tacyarg (talk) 22:42, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not very comfortable with the way the college is approaching this, to be honest. Are there not any better secondary sourced that might override WP:COMMONNAME, as I think the latter still indicates 'Hartpury College'. Svejk74 (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I've raised this over at WikiProject Higher Education: here. Tacyarg (talk) 00:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Interesting question, with valid points on each side, for me "Hartpury University" seems a better title for the reasons Robminchin just gave. Benjamin1995a (talk) 15:23, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the response. I should stress that Hartpury provides both College and University level study, which is reflected by the institution name. Are you suggesting separate pages/entries for College and University, or a combined page move? If the latter, I would suggest that Hartpury University and Hartpury College remains the strongest all-encompassing option for the move, as well as being the business name. Thanks again. 77.99.229.235 (talk) 10:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say I still think this stinks of a PR move by the institution itself. There are plenty of degree-awarding institutions in the UK which are called "college" so there really isn't any need to clarify further. Absolutely nobody calls it "Hartpury University and Hartpury College" just like nobody says "I'm from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". I find it hard to hold my nose when this is clearly part of a business case from Hartpury to expand their offering to fee-paying students. I think the current title is most in line with COMMONNAME and I just don't see any need to change it, other than satisfy the interests of the organisation itself. "Please explain to us what we need to do to get this changed" kinda sums up the fact that they are doing this for their own interests, not Wikipedia's. ElAhrairah inspect damage⁄berate 09:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely. It seems clear that nearly all media sources simply call it "Hartpury College" - in common with the way agricultural colleges were usually titled in the UK. There is certainly little evidence for much use of "university".Svejk74 (talk) 14:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Respectfully, I feel the last two replies from ElAhriairah and Svejk74 are a little aggressive. It has been established that the institution is a university on several occasions, both within this talk section by Wikipedia admins and via multiple sources provided over a long period of time. Likewise, any conflict of interest has been declared from the outset and requests and responses have been respectful of Wikipedia's own processes and protocols throughout. Hartpury has existed as a university in name and with full degree awarding powers in its own right since 2018, which also speaks to the rather outdated point that it is always referred to as Hartpury College colloquially (no longer the case), therefore Wikipedia's page title is incorrect. Many students apply to Hartpury University with no previous knowledge of the College provision, so would have never known or referred to Hartpury as ‘Hartpury College’. As I have said, if it aligns more closely with the Wikipedia protocols to develop two separate pages, rather than move the existing page, then that is the route I will explore. Likewise, to the point of "Please explain to us what we need to do to get this changed", I don't feel it is unreasonable to ask advice of the Wikipedia editorial team when dealing with, admittedly, relatively complicated requests of this type. Thanks again.  SDMACO86hartpury (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move/title update 

message: WP:AT says... Generally, article titles are based on what the subject is called in reliable sources. Sources like this one https://www.soglos.com/news/family/how-hartpury-university-and-hartpury-college-has-become-a-force-for-good-in-gloucestershire-communities/22004/ routinely refer to this subject as Hartpury University and Hartpury College.𝔓420°𝔓Holla 16:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Suggested page move