Talk:Conversion therapy

message: In Belgium and Germany conversion therapy includes corrective rape. Who dares to whitewash these most criminal government? The truth is they commit most sexual violence in the world. 2A02:1811:2C09:F100:C10C:80E2:82D0:59C7 (talk) 17:29, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is true that corrective rape is used, as you put in your edit, we would need a reliable source saying so to include it in the article. --Nat Gertler (talk) 23:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

text: A far less accusatory way of asserting that would be appreciated. Acroterion (talk) 23:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrective rape 

message: Can we remove pseudoscience/scientific references? There's not a lot of long-term, scientific articles that conclusively state that HRT or gender reassignment surgery are effective long-term, but we don't call transgender surgeries or treatments "pseudoscience". Clearly a double standard on an encyclopedia that is supposed to remain neutral. Conversion therapy does work for some just like transgender surgeries work for some. Why can't we practice neutrality? 216.49.128.107 (talk) 21:30, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There are in fact quite a lot of medical sources that say HRT is effective, but that has nothing to do with this. We go by reliable sources (more specifically, medically reliable sources). If you can find such sources that say , we can include them. At the moment, we have a lot of high quality sources that say it is pseudo-scientific bunk that doesn't, so that's what we'll stick to. Best regards, Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's one of those cases where the loudest don't necessarily speak for the majority. For example, I thought I was gay when I was younger, but it was actually because of trauma associated from sexual abuse as a child. After some therapy, I found that I was actually trauma bonded and that my homosexual desires were actually a neurotic compulsion akin to epilepsy. I don't see how remaining more neutral on the topic would degrade the article. Calling it simply a practice does a lot more for allowing the user to come to their own conclusions, and encyclopedias should be written with neutrality. 216.49.128.107 (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: A dubious (considering medical consensus on this) personal anecdote about how conversion therapy worked for you is not a reliable source, much less a medically reliable one. WP:NPOV means we stick to the sources, especially when the medical community overwhelmingly agrees on something (per WP:FRINGE). Your Friendly Neighborhood Sociologist ⚧ Ⓐ (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What I'm saying is calling it "pseudoscientific" is moreso to validate your own life decisions versus remaining neutral on the topic. It also promotes your outcome as the only viable one. It's why you gatekeep the article. It's fine, though. I wish you the best in your sex change. I hope it has cured your mental illness. I hope that others who may read this in the future know that change is possible without having to delve into the extremely noxious transgender ideologies. Thankfully, these people tend to reside only in online spaces and not in the real world. 216.49.128.107 (talk) 22:08, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I think it's clear you cannot be WP:CIVIL and this entire discussion can be closed or removed. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

text:  or, you know, that could be entirely unrelated. Sounds similar to "after therapy, I found out I had schizophrenia as a result of a refrigerator mother" which was a popular belief in the 20th century. Zenomonoz (talk) 22:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to know that Wikipedia is now a licensed therapist? 216.49.128.107 (talk) 22:16, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pseudoscience 

message: It is said at one point that their is a consensus that such therapy doesn't work, but only one study of cases in the South is quoted.  How is that proof of a consensus? 207.244.205.106 (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence of that source is . I cannot currently access the full source, but I would presume that the numerous studies in question are cited in the article's body, so an interested editor could retrieve and cite them in support of that consensus. The sources which claim otherwise are predominantly either not scientific, or (as described further in the article) subject to methodological issues. As it stands, reference 2 looks to be a reliable source for this claim. –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 01:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: From "Conversion Therapy in the Southern United States: Prevalence and Experiences of the Survivors" (reference 2 in this article):  –RoxySaunders 🏳️‍⚧️ (💬 • 📝) 06:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is biased and poorly sourced 

message: Conversion therapy is not illegal in Iceland per se. It's only illegal to trick or force someone to go to conversion therapy. You can legally perform conversion therapy in Iceland if your clients give their informed consent. Can someone correct the article? Thanks. 85.220.49.247 (talk) 08:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversion therapy is not illegal in Iceland.