Talk:Fascism/Archive 6

message: I think this should settle the question re TDC. Mussolini himself makes it quite clear that fascism is anti-socialist accordingly any state adhering to a socialist ideology cannot be fascist:
pg 12: "Fascism repudiates any universal embrace... (pg 13) Such a conception of life makes Fascism the complete opposite of that doctrine, the base of so-called scientific and Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history; according to which the history of human civilization can be explained siimply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production." 
"And above all Fascism denies that the class war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society. These two fundamental concepts of Socialism being thus refuted, nothing is left of it but the sentimental aspiration - as old as (pg 14) humanity itself - towards a social convention in which the sorrows and sufferings of the humblest shall be alleviated. But here again Fascism repudiates the conception of "economic" happiness, to be realized by Socialism and, as it were, at a given moment in economic evolution to assure to everyone the maximum of well-being. Fascism denies the materialist conception of happiness as a possibility..." 
(source: The Political and Social Doctrine of Fascism by Benito Mussolin, translation by Jane Soames published by the Hogarth Press, London, 1933)130.15.162.71 19:55, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

message: In the Doctrine of Fascism, Mussolini says the source of Fascism is Sorel, Peguy, and Lagardell. Later on in Doctrine of Fascism, Mussolini quotes from Renan who he said had "prefascist intuitions". Both Sorel and Peguy were influenced by Henri Bergson. Henri Bergson demolished scientism and mechanical evolution and materialism of the Marxist ideology. Henri Bergson promoted an *elan vital* as an evolutionary process. Both of these element of Bergeson appear in Fascism.
Sorel was interested with and influenced by Roman ideas and wanted to restore the greatness of Rome and its culture. He "collabrated with Benedetto Croce and Antonio Labriola in propagating Marx's idea's in Italy. Italy was Sorel's second home. In this period of his life, Sorel, was an anarchosyndicalist. Before WWI, dissatisfied with anarchosyndacalism he associated himself with extreme right wing groups, monarchists, ultra-nationalists and Catholic revivalists. But after WWI, he "put his energies into defending Lenin". It was he who propagated a "Theory of Violence" as necessary. WHEELER 18:15, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all my dear man.  I am just pointing out facts.  The realization hit me.WHEELER 19:18, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: WHEELER, if you're going to begin attacking the Jews, you will lose what goodwill you have built with a few editors here.  Please don't.  Even if you are anti-Semitic, please keep it quiet here or I know trouble will ensue. Jwrosenzweig 19:20, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: WHEELER, I think that, to be fair to you, I need to emphasize that the above is Sam's opinion.  In fact, editors who express racist ideas here repeatedly can be blocked as violating community standards.  He is right that anti-Semites can edit here.  What they can't do is bash the Jews openly.  I think Sam would agree with me that I am describing the reality of the situation, even if he feels that your personal opinions should not matter. Jwrosenzweig 20:13, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: "The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from the Colonna family who were Jewish in origin. He has also a descent from the Khazars (see below) who adopted Judaism as their religion. The Queen, her husband and her children have another Jewish descent from an historical figure named Makhir. Makhir was a Jewish Prince of the Davidic Royal House sent by Caliph Harun-al-Rashid as ambassador to the Emperor Charlemagne at the end of the 9th century. Makhir remained in Europe where he founded a family, one of whose descendants marries into the medieval English Royal Family." Source:Monarchist League of Canada  Formeruser-83
And of course, there's King David.
Thanks for the information Andy.  I appreciate it greatly.WHEELER 21:31, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

text: Andy wants to throw around that because Mussolini was anti-marxist makes him rightist.  Sorel attack Marxism from within using Vico and Bergson demolishes the materialism and scientificism of Marxism.  That is where this comes from.WHEELER 21:16, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: The Philosophical Basis of Fascism

message: read this page. Sam Spade 23:15, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)
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