Talk:Stone Mountain

message: I noticed this comment added to the article, so I moved it here.  --Eoghanacht 2005 June 29 12:51 (UTC)
:As a witness to the crash of the single engine airplane.  I find it very hard to believe that the pilot had engine trouble.  When the airplane flew across my neighborhood (that directly borders the rear side of the park) it was so low that we could not see it because of the trees.  The airplane was moving fast, and the engine was strong and loud up to the moment of impact.  The impact with the mountain was extremely loud and followed by a large fire that could be easily seen.  Additionally, the private airport that was next to Stone Mountain Park had been closed for 3 years and had a line of telephone poles was installed down the runway by the new owners.
::This could be an interesting anecdote, but would have to be supported by published, secondary sources to be an acceptable part of the encyclopedia.  The park, itself might be interested in your conclusions, based on your memories.  I, personally, find them interesting, but they are more appropriate for a blog, unless there is at least one notable source.  As is, would be classified as WP:OR, original research.  rags (talk) 21:14, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Plane crash

message: Does anyone know when the laser show started?  The reason is that "a laser show has been projected on the carving nightly for 20 years." will soon become obsolete, so it would be better to list the year it started.
I searched on Google and couldn't find it.  I've emailed to try to find out. (I think it started in the med or late 1970s.) Bubba73 04:38, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
: I got email back and they said that the first full season of the laser show was in 1983, so I'll put that date in the article.  I think there might have been some sort of laser show earlier than that.  I didn't go but I remember a friend telling me about it. Bubba73 16:10, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
I know from personal experience that the current laser light show began in the spring of 1987 because I lived about 3 miles from the park at the time and went that first season. It was considered a great novelty of modern times. Thus the statement that "it has been projected on the carving nightly for 20 years" is an accurate one. I still live very close and go to the park once every 3 weeks. I will do a double check on the years and other research at the parks excellent museum. SMARTKiddy 01:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I know from personal experience that I took dates to the laser show during high school, and I graduated in 1984. Neither of our personal experiences count for evidence here, but the 25th Anniversary reference below does. Shawn D. (talk) 19:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: laser show started when?

message: Under "history", how about adding:
* when it was bought by the state
* when it was opend as a park
* when the skylift was built
* when the carving was started and finished
* when the laser show started
Things like that.  Now the history contains only 3 items.  Bubba73 03:06, July 21, 2005 (UTC)
:Most of what you listed is already in the article, just not in the history section. The organization is kind of a mess, though.--Bcrowell 03:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: more history

message: I moved the following material from the top of the talk page down to here.--Bcrowell 17:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ironic because the place is basically a holy site of the Ku Klux Klan.--Bcrowell 03:34, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the place is basically a fantastic piece of geology, and has been so for millenia. Difficult to see that fact through all the Ku Klux Klan related info in this article though. Surely most of that belongs in a different article. -- Chris j wood 16:25, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier discussion about focus of article

message: The first bit of the section 'History of the memorial and the Ku Klux Klan' confuses me. Until you read it in detail, and especially with the lead Ku Klux Klan activities at Stone Mountain are deep-rooted, it sounds like it is saying that the KKK played a major part in instigating the carving. But if you then look at the dates, you find that the original conception of the project predates the revival of the Klan by some 6 years, perhaps suggesting it was more a case of them being attracted to the mountain by the carving, rather than the other way around.
On the basis that wikipedia history sections are generally written in chronological order, shouldn't the second paragraph come before the first?. -- Chris j wood 19:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've resorted the first two paragraphs. -- Chris j wood 10:53, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good edits.--Bcrowell 15:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Question on carving history

message: The history contains the following statement:
:The Klan held a major meeting at Stone Mountain in 1975, and at Venable's invitation, the Klan held annual Labor Day meetings on Venable's property, where 60-foot crosses were burned.
It isn't clear if the Venable's property referred to here is Stone Mountain or not. If it isn't, then the second part of the above sentence is not relevant to the article. If it is, then this must have been prior to 1958 (when the State acquired the mountain) and it is misleading to lump it together with a reference to something happening more than 17 years later in 1975; the statement should be moved up the chronology.
Anybody know which it is?. -- Chris j wood 19:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I read it, the first clause refers to something at Stone Mountain itself, and the rest discusses a continuing series of Klan meetings next door to the park or something. I could be wrong, though. You might want to figure out who initially wrote it, and ask that person for clarification. I googled, but didn't figure out a sufficiently finetuned google search to figure out any more than this.--Bcrowell 21:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Another question on carving history.

message: Chris deleted the words "KKK propaganda" describing Birth of a Nation, with the following explanation:
:History of the memorial and the Ku Klux Klan - 'KKK Propaganda' is arguably POV, not asserted by our own article on the film, and causality challenged (predates KKK revival)
If you feel it's POVish, I don't have any problem with changing it to something else, but the film is mainly about the Klan (see the poster), and the article needs to explain that, because otherwise the reader can't understand the logic. I've changed the adjectival phrase to "Klan-glorifying." No, there is no causality problem. There was a first Klan, which was pretty much defunct by 1915. The film was glorifying the original Klan, and the film was a major factor leading to the creation of the second Klan in that year. I honestly don't think there's any dispute that the film is pro-Klan propaganda. I think the real debate would be that some people, e.g., Woodrow Wilson and D.W. Griffith, saw the first Klan, depicted in the film, as a good thing, a positive response to the excesses of Republican Reconstruction. Griffith did claim that people had misinterpreted the film (that's why he made Intolerance), but he never claimed that it wasn't glorifying the Klan.-Bcrowell 15:19, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with those words, although I have changed the wording from 'film Klan-glorifying' to 'Klan-glorifying film', which I hope you agree reads better. -- Chris j wood 16:13, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, thanks for the proofreading! I'm glad we could work that out. It's a pleasure working with you.--Bcrowell 16:27, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth of a Nation

message: Is there anyone working on the article who is currently living in Atlanta, and could provide some photos to illustrate the natural history? I'm sure the park is beautiful this time of year. I added a photo of some Georgia oak leaves, but it's not exactly the most exciting image :-) It might be interesting to have a photo of the wooded landscape at the bottom, and maybe of the rock pools at the top as well.--Bcrowell 15:34, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: natural history photos?

message: An anon recently edited the article's claim that Stone Mountain was the third-largest monolith in the world --- Haystack Rock's article lists it as the third tallest. "Tallest" clearly defines the criterion for measurement, while "largest" could refer to height, girth, mass, or volume. I've added some weasel language. Does anyone have a source for the "third-largest" claim that clearly defines what "large" means?--Bcrowell 01:20, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim is patently false.  El Capitan in Yosemite is solid granite and rises 3,000 feet from the valley floor!  The article itself says that Stone Mountain only rises some 800 feet above the surrounding terrain.  I'm deleting the silliness about it being the largest granite monolith.  By height AND girth El Capitan is far larger. Tmangray 05:26, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: monolith envy

message: "The Klan held a major meeting at Stone Mountain in 1975, and at Venable's invitation, the Klan held annual Labor Day meetings on Venable's property, where 60-foot crosses were burned. In reaction to this history, Martin Luther King, Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech includes the line "let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.""
How could MLK Jr. have given a speech about an event in 1975 considering he'd been dead since 1968?
I think you are confused, the speech was not referring to the 1975 event, the speech was referring to the November 1915 meeting which allegedly occurred at the base of the mountain.
Re-read the article it should become apparent to you.
Overhere2000 03:31, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical inaccuracy

message: I used to work at the Laser Show and still have friends who do.  Is anyone actively maintaining this article that would like more info?  It looks like someone wants pictures.  I'll try to see if I can get a picture of the yellow (confederate) daisy.
Akubhai 21:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Local info

message: Perhaps this is worth mentioning since the article contains information on airplane accidents. The FAA Atlanta Sectional Chart has a note that states: "Magnetic disturbance of as much as 10° exists at 4000 [feet] elevation in the vicinty of Stone Mountain." --Boone 05:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Aviation and Navigation

message: This article says that the carillion has 732(!) bells, while the carillon article says that the carillion holding the record for most bells has only 77.  I don't know how many bells the Stone Mountain carillion actually has, but I doubt that it's 732! -- Jack 22:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Numerous official and semi-official websites give the figure "732-bell carillon". Try Googling "Stone Mountain carillon" for samples. (It still may be wrong in fact!)--Wetman 22:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This site indicates is not a real carillion: http://www.hinsonrisher.com/Stone%20Mountain%20Carillon/default.aspx --Akubhai 15:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Belated thanks. I just updated the article with a better description (732 bell-tone rods, electronically amplified through 60 speakers) and a newspaper ref. —173.68.139.31 (talk) 07:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflicting information

message: The article also currently states in the beginning  "Stone Mountain is also a quartz monzonite rock when described in geologic terms and is therefore not technically granite. "   Yet throughout the article it frequently mentions it's composition being granite.   This is quite confusing to the visitor like myself trying to read about the geology of Stone Mountain.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.182.6 (talk) 17:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Granite?

message: Shouldn't there be a little bit more info on the laser show?? Samphex 18:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: laser show info

message: Stone Mountain is currently closed to rock climbing.  Is there a history of any rock climbing on Stone Mountain prior to its closure?--64.178.27.65 00:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rock climbing history

message: The list of ext links was drastically cut back.  Done on purpose?  n2xjk 13:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: The Memorial Association confirms many of the points about the carving and history: http://www.stonemountainpark.org/Stone%20Mountain%20History.htm
Not sure if that is a valid reference, if so, someone can add it since I don't know all the syntax for that. Akubhai 02:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: Why is Stone Mountain tagged as an "Amuesment Park (in Georgia)"?  I wouldn't consider it an amusement park at all.  If it is to be tagged as such then it needs a tag as "Amusement Park in the United States" as well. But I believe the amusement park tag should just be removed.  Others?  --Mjrmtg 13:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amusment Park?

message: The elevation is stated with the suffix "amsl" (above mean sea level).  Is this necessary?  I thought that was the default when speaking about elevation of geologic structures.James A. Stewart 00:44, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: amsl?

message: This was in the Description section.
Beginning at the top of the mountain is a small wooded trail. It starts of to the side of the main trail and leads down to the road and railroad tracks. The only acknowledgement of the trail is a hard to find carving on the edge of the mountain.
Can anyone explain what bearing this information has?Amazingracer 21:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Small Wooded Trail

message: This article has a significant amount of unsourced discussion about the role of the KKK and the carving on the mountain. It seemed plausible to me at first but now I am beginning to suspect it is urban legend. I propose to remove the material from the article altogether unless someone can properly source the information. --JodyB yak, yak, yak 18:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: the only "urban legend" is a comment like yours. You are spreading misinformation. It should be EASILY sourceable. For example, 
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?id=h-2145
Do you realize WHY this is called a "Confederate memorial"? Who do you think paid for it?Ryoung122 10:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I wouldn't remove it all together. I would instead shorten it down to just a few(1-2) sentences. Amazingracer 03:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So can you offer any factual support? That's the problem - it is unsourced. If its true it can sure be there I just haven't found anything that's reliable. JodyB yak, yak, yak 04:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately no. I guess you could take it all out. My thoughts, is that even it was true, it's a little long as it is. I'll see if I can dig up something, though it may be doubtful. This article is the first time ever I have seen KKK reference to the mountain. Amazingracer 20:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I stand corrected a simple google search revealed a few articles. like this one , we may have to rewrite that section around the factual information. Amazingracer 20:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: KKK and the carving

message: Text says it is recessed 42 feet into the mountain, then the deepest point of the carving is at Lee's elbow, which is 12 feet to the mountain's surface. What does this mean? That it's actually 54 feet deep? Very ambiguous.
:This confused me too. Can anyone clarify? cmadler (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Note on "Carving" section

message: I added it to the "natural landmarks" on the page Landmark page. -Walkingwith08 (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Landmark

message: Why is granite in quotes over and over. It really is granite isn't it? If not then maybe that should be explained. Granite is not in quotes on the page describing what granite it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peatmanb (talk • contribs) 21:36, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: "granite" vs granite

message: Based on calculations carried out using Google Earth and other research I question the claimed size of the carving, which is said to be 190' x 90'. No source is provided. Whilst no indication is given as to what those measurements represent, one can assume that the width represents the distance from Davis' horse's nose to the RH tip of Jackson's cape. 
The cape has two "RH tips". The upper one is clearly defined, the lower one fades into the rock. I am using the lower one to be generous.
The height is far less well defined since there is no clear-cut boundary at the bottom edge, where it simply fades into the rock.
 
I emailed Stonemountainpark.com and put my doubts. They claimed categorically that their measurements and Wikipedia's were correct. 
The first discrepancy is this (Georgia Government?) web page, which claims the size is 180' x 69' (a completely different ratio also).
The second discrepancy is this web page from the American Studies section of the University of Virginia. It claims in paragraph 11 that the size of the overall cut-out area is 305' x 190'. Photos of the carving show that the carving is around 45% of the width of the overall cut-out which would make the carving 138' wide.
Based on measurements from Google Earth I believe the carving is closer to 167' x 77' and that the overall cut-out is around 374' wide and around 1.7 acres.    
Pmolsen (talk) 02:29, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Additional information: http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2011/08/just_how_big_is_the_stone_mountain.html --seav (talk) 14:28, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Size of Carving 

message: Is this a suitable graphic? I believe that it is, while Ryan Vesey believes that it is not. I would ask others to offer their opinions, so that we can get a better idea of the community view on this. Gulbenk (talk) 08:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panoramic View 

message: After reviewing this article, I believe that it may be time to consider restoring the separate articles that once existed regarding Stone Mountain. Currently, Stone Mountain Park is a redirect here, where at one time it was a separate article, although based on this diff, it looks like it was merged unilaterally into this article. I can't find a discussion thread where consensus was established to merge the two.
This current version is loaded with pictures detailing the attractions associated with Stone Mountain Park, and it kind of overwhelms the rest of the article, which details the history of the mountain itself. In my opinion, this article should be just about the physical mountain, its place in history, its geology, ecology, etc. Of course, a link should be provided to the attraction article, where readers would learn about the history of the various attractions that have been added to the mountain over the years. Discussion and opinions are welcome.  --McDoobAU93 18:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting idea. However, an article about the park would have to contain nearly the same details presented in the current article, since the mountain is at the very heart of the attraction. Rather than a separate geologically-based article solely on Stone Mountain, why not consider an article about Stone Mountain, Panola Mountain, Arabia Mountain and other similar (related) features in Georgia. Something with the (somewhat unappealing) title of "Georgia Monadnocks"? Gulbenk (talk) 19:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, yes. I think you have touched on the main sticking point. I doubt your idea would encounter much success if the proposal were viewed as advancing the concept of Six-Flags-Over-Stone-Mountain. Gulbenk (talk) 21:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Which it wouldn't, because it isn't. In fact, I'd love to find the AJC articles from the late 1990s describing SMMA's disdain for amusement attractions and Herschend's work to convince them that they would do them properly. Such a proposal would have similarities to the amusement park articles, yes, but like the facility itself, it would be an entity unto itself. It would show no bias towards the facility's components that have been there for decades or just the last few years.  --McDoobAU93 23:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There doesn't appear to be any significant material that could be split off to form a new article. By all means, create a new article when you have appropiate material, but there is no need for a split tag on this article at this time. Op47 (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposal 

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message: So, when did initial construction on the project start?
That is not mentioned anywhere.
Just curious. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 02:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: "Carving begins June 23, 1923". Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 02:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start of construction 

message: Did Lee and Davis ever physically meet? Were they ever in the same room together? I have done some research to this effect in the past, and I haven't been able to find any evidence that they ever did but I also haven't been able to find any authoritative statements to the effect that they did not. This bas-relief is described as the last meeting between Lee and Jackson, and Davis also happens to be in the depiction. It's possible that his inclusion is historically misleading and nonsensical on the face of it, but I would need something more solid on this.
173.118.54.119 (talk) 13:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History question 

message: A user keeps re-adding an (unsourced) image whose caption claims that …
 Black Lives Matter, Anonymous, and 3%er's march in solidarity against the KKK at Stone Mountain, GA.
The image is dated 10 July 2015, when Black Lives Matter did not yet exist. Another editor changed the caption to something that seems to make more sense, but that alone doesn’t authenticate the image. I am once again removing image and caption. Please carefully consider the veracity of the image before reverting. —ThorstenNY (talk) 14:19, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing misleading, mislabeled, unsourced image 

message: ... was seen from the outset "as a memorial to the Confederacy."[5]... The outset of what?  As the history section explains there were people at Stone Mountain long before any war or Confederacy.  I'm not sure how to rephrase it, but as it is this phrase ignores use by Native Americans and early European settlers and makes it seem like the Memorial debate started when the mountain was first seen by human eyes.  Which is misleading and IMHO offensive. This rock is much older and has many more peoples pass than that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1C60:45E0:B531:4DBA:1E06:66F7 (talk) 07:01, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording out of context turns offensive  

message: Here is an article from The Atlanta Journal-Constitution about Black bridgebuilder honored at Stone Mountain Park (subscription required).  Rjluna2 (talk) 15:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  AJC - Black bridgebuilder honored at Stone Mountain Park 

message: :The single sentence fourth paragraph of the "Involvement of the Ku Klux Klan" section,  needs to be relocated. Especially since the next paragraph begins with "Fundraising for the monument resumed in 1923".  --  Otr500 (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: chronological order