Talk:Shot Heard 'Round the World (baseball)

message: I reverted that IP address' comments due to the unsubstantiated editorial shot against baseball. If someone wants to add in the presumably factual details about the term being used in the 1950 World Cup, they could do that. I'll try to refrain from taking an equally unsubstantiated editorial shot about how boring soccer is. Oops, too late. :) Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 13:42, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent revert 

message: I'm having some trouble understanding what this article says, for example:
* "Brooklyn finished the season on a 26–22 clip". I have looked in a number of dictionaries and encyclopedias at various types of clips; the bulldog clip, paper clip, hair clip and others but I can find no mention of a 26-22 clip. I'm thinking this is possibly some reference to the size of the clip but I'm also having difficulty imagining how the whole Brooklyn Dodgers baseball team can get onto one clip or how that would affect the result of the game. Please explain.
* "a complete-game shutout by rookie hurler Clem Labine." I am familiar with athletics in which a discus thrower is a person who throws the discus and a shot putter is a person who putts the shot, so I imagine a rookie hurler is a person who hurls rookies but I'm having trouble working out what part of a game of baseball would require him to do this. Please explain. Cottonshirtτ 14:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By "clip", the writer implies "pace" or "run" or "streak."  He means that thee team won 26 and lost 22 over a 48-game span. I suppose that "clip" refers to a piece clipped out of a whole season.  U.S. sportswriters use it frequently.  I don't agree with the choise, as 26-22 is hardly clipping.  It's more like plodding. WHPratt (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I now believe that the term comes from Clipper, referring to a fast sailing ship.  As I said, 26-22 is hardly clipping! WHPratt (talk) 12:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

text: "Hurler" is just used as a synonym for "pitcher."  What he hurls is the baseball.  If he's a rookie, he's in his first season of hurling. WHPratt (talk) 14:54, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  explanation required 

message: Section starts: "The 1951 Major League Baseball season was projected to be a contest between the New York Giants, Brooklyn Dodgers, and Philadelphia Phillies."
Uhhh, this would be referring to the National League only, not the Major League Baseball season.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.143.35.139 (talk) 12:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Background 

message: There is a wealth of precedent across Wikimedia for bolding the most notable portion of a block quote, or the most notable quote from a volume.  Examples are as follows:
*The Play (Stanford vs. California)#Joe Starkey's call of The Play
*Herm Edwards#With New York
*Jesus wept
*Music City Miracle#Radio call
*Wikiquote:Julius Caesar (play)#Act I
*Wikiquote:Dante Alighieri
Italics can easily be confused with parenthetical descriptions, which is why bold is usually preferred for highlighting specifically noteworthy phrases. It should therefore be considered de rigueur to bold the four (or one) famous sentences from Russ Hodges' call. Rowsdower45 (talk) 05:03, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I finally found time to research the above assertions, and I could find nothing to support this alleged "wealth of precedent".  Quite the contrary, actually: The Manual of Style specifically says, "Avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text." (See WP:BOLD}. It goes on: "Whereas italics may be used sparingly to emphasize words in sentences, boldface is normally not used for this purpose." (See WP:ITAL}.  So I'm changing it back. Sorry it took so long. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 04:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Bold

message: The article says it was the first game broadcast nationwide.
Reading about the three-game series, they were the first
MLB games broadcast nationwide, so this game would be
the *third* game broadcast nationwide 2601:647:4E01:8F9E:34A7:FA69:A272:BC64 (talk) 00:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The first two games were not televised nationally, according to cited sources, so content is correct as it stands. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 05:10, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

text: There are no sources citing this. Take a look, for instance, at the Wikipedia page for "Major League Baseball Television in the 1950s": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_on_television_in_the_1950s#1951Loadedonloaded (talk) 18:42, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV Firsts 

message: I added a  tag to the phrase 'sign stealing', but it was repeatedly reverted by  who thinks the meaning is clear. As requested, I'm explaining the problem on the talk page. I cannot simply fix the issue myself, as I do not understand the meaning.
There's no explanation whatsoever, not even a link, as to what 'sign stealing' is. To me that phrase means the theft of road signs, which clearly isn't the case here. The surrounding text suggest it's some kind of spying on the opposing team, though what for, how it might be useful, or why it is controversial is left unsaid. There are unexplained references to 'finger signs' and 'unprotected signs' without any explanation. These terms all appear to be jargon only understandable to experts in baseball. There should be some kind of explanation for the general reader; I've therefore restored the tag. Modest Genius talk 13:45, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the "what for, how it might be useful, or why it is controversial" aspects are not left unsaid; but those unfamiliar with baseball do deserve a more detailed explanation, which I have added. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 14:09, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

text: Further clarifications added. Please let me know if it is now adequately explained, and if not, what remains unclear. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 18:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's much clearer, thanks. Modest Genius talk 15:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A pleasure. Thanks for the suggestion. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 20:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  'sign stealing' clarification 

message: Epithet is not a good term. As per the Wikipedia entry on epithet, "In contemporary use, epithet often refers to an abusive, defamatory, or derogatory phrase, such as a racial[2] or animal epithet." Alternate terms might be "labeled" or "nicknamed".  Pollira (talk) 18:05, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Look up the term in a real dictionary.  It's appropriate. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 16:27, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Epithet" 

message: The biggest margin was 13.5 games, 12.5 games was brought here into the article, Jan. 1, 2013!!--Anaxagoras13 (talk) 14:11, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Even after all games of August 11 Brooklyn led by 13 games, after the first game of the doubleheader that day it were 13.5 games. --Anaxagoras13 (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Margin 

message: The way the tape-recording by Goldberg's mother is described doesn't make sense. "…asked his mother to tape-record the last half-inning of the radio broadcast…" assumes his mother would know when the game was going to end before it happened. The game could have ended after the top half of the ninth inning, the bottom half of the ninth inning, or after any half-inning during extra-innings.
In the 2001 article used as a source, Richard Sandomir says Goldberg "told his mother to hit the record button [when the game] reached the bottom of the ninth inning." But the game could have never reached the bottom of the ninth inning if the Giants had won after the top of the ninth. What exactly was it Goldberg, a life-long Giants fan, wanted to hear? Sandomir quotes him as saying: I knew something was going to happen. It was the third game of the playoffs. That kind of game had to be climactic, even if it was a blowout.
In other words, he wanted to hear how the game ended as it happened, whether the Giants won or lost, whether it was a blowout or not, whether "something happened" or whether it didn't. But in that case, he would have told his mother to start recording with the top of the ninth, not the bottom. I know the story's been retold that way thousands of times, but it just doesn't ring true. It's the way somebody who doesn't understand baseball would tell it. 108.20.114.62 (talk) 15:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  start recording when again? 

message: Can you add a line at the top pointing to other pages with the phrase "Shot Heard Round the World"? I had never known this phrase related to baseball and was looking for it's original meaning regarding the battle of Lexington & Concord. Not having a way to get to that from here doesn't make any sense, as the latter meaning would have far more relevance than this meaning.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jedimmel (talk • contribs) 21:41, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: The first nationally televised game was game 1 of this series, not the final game. See Jules Tygiel, "The Shot Heard Round the World," in his book Past Time: Baseball as History. My edit has been reverted, and yet there is no citation here to support this claim. Loadedonloaded (talk) 20:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: In the future, please explain your edits in the edit summary the first time. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 20:32, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Loadedonloaded (talk) 20:38, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was not the first nationally televised game