Talk:Incarnation (Christianity)

message: I agree that this article is unfinished. However there is an excellent article on Christology, which really covers the same material. Perhaps Incarnation could comment on the usage of the term and then refer to Christology for the substance. We're having enough trouble with the doctrinal pages, without trying to maintain two different pages that cover essentially the same topic.
Hedrick 17:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge?

message: I propose that a section be added which puts forth the controversies involved in the logical coherency (or lack thereof) of the incarnation.  Some points worth mentioning:
1. If as conventional Christianity asserts that Jesus (Yah'shua) has a dual nature, then God the Father is sharing his earthly wife Mary with Joseph-- in essence polyandry which is never allowed in the rest of scripture.
2. If as conventional Christianity asserts that the Holy Spirit is masculine, then as above, there is  polyandry once again for Mary.
3. Even if the the alleged dual nature issue of Jesus (Yahshua) is set aside and Joseph allegedly never has conjugal relations with Mary (as the Roman Catholic Church claims), then in Luke, it is clear that both God the Father and the Holy Spirit were involved in the incarnation of Jesus, and according to convenitonal Christianity, there are 2 male members of the Trinity sharing Mary-- polyandry seems to rear its ugly head again.
4. If the Holy Spirit is viewed to be masculine as is the Father, then you have a Jesus with two daddies-- the same sex marriage advocates are already exploiting this notion-- they already have a T-shirt with the slogan.
5. If the Holy Spirit is viewed to be feminine, as do some Messianic groups and Branch Davadians, then there is no polyandry between the Holy Spirit and God the Father
6. Conventional Christianity will object and say if however there is still an assumption of quasi-sexual union of the Godhead with the mortal Mary and that is combined with position #5, then there is polyamory which is never allowed in the whole of scripture (a possible exception could be the Millenial Kingdom???).
7. Conventional Christianity will also object and say that a feminine Holy Spirit implicates bisexuality for Mary, and implicates lesbianism for one of the members of the trinity.
8.There is apparently an assumption within some areas of Christianity that the incarnation was quasi-sexual (a combining of a human egg with a divine seed/sperm).  Yet Mary never viewed herself as a "wife" of God, but rather as a "maid-servant."
9. As seen in Luke chapter 1, if the Holy Spirit (Ruach HaQodesh) is understood as feminine, conceiving Jesus (Yah'shua) in a human or human-like form by Her (the Ruach's) cosmic echad union with the Father (Yahweh), while Mary (Miriam) is viewed as only as a surrogate mother (or literally "conduit" as in at least one Aramaic translation of Luke 1:46) then there are no conflicts. Lil'dummy 13:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logical Coherency 

message: Jesus created the universe (...dear Son:  In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:to forgive sins - something only Yahweh can do...For by him were all things created ).
There are many sites that explain this.  Here is one link.  Considering that the "God" article is promoting pantheism and equating Vishnu with Yahweh, etc., then it is reasonable for Yahweh to be mentioned at least once in the article.--71.108.27.36 (talk) 16:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jesus=Yahweh 

message: "carnis=flesh" is mistake. Latin word for flesh is caro.
:Well, it's the genitive, but yes. Fixed In ictu oculi (talk) 14:42, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mistake 

message: One of the philosophical reasons I think Christians and their Churches have historically been opposed to Secularism is because of the religious dogma of the Incarnation. Christianity is the only religion with this particular dogma and it is often called the religion of the Incarnation. On the contrary, Jews, Muslims and Hindu/Buddhists do not have such a dogma, and therefore it is much easier to them to adhere to religious Monism, the belief in an Unknowable One, which is epistemologically very close to Secularism.  For Christians to believe that Jesus is the One is, for many religions and philosophies, tantamount to denying the entire system of pluralism and secularism. There has been an ongoing dialogue on this issue since the 1970s, it needs to be featured more prominently and with relevant sources. ADM (talk) 14:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Secularism and Incarnation

message: The part about nontrinitarianism should probably be trimmed down because it is only the view of an insignificant sect, as opposed to the doctrine of the whole Church. ADM (talk) 23:43, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nontrinitarianism

message: It is unclear how this article's scope is different from that of Christology. --dab (𒁳) 16:46, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. The incipit could be pruned to state that it is only that part of Christology relating to the Word becoming flesh  and denomination-specific content reallocated further down .In ictu oculi (talk) 14:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the incarnation is just one piece of Christology, and the lede should probably reflect that. There are many other elements in Christology. Do you want to change the lede? Is so please do, else I will try to get to it in a few days. History2007 (talk) 14:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: article scope

message: Could someone please add this article to "Languages". Don't know how to do it with Wikidata. Danish Wikipedia: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inkarnation#Kristendom Bornsommer (talk) 13:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Interwiki-link

message: There is no Incarnation word in the holy Bible but appearnances or birth of Christ so the title of article is wrong --Fastez (talk) 11:14, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Appearances not Avatars

message: I propose "Hymns and prayers" section to be removed. They are wikisource material. -- İskenderBalas💬 12:20, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hymns and prayers 

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