Talk:Frontier Airlines

message: The current focus cities listed on this article seem a little out of date, as some of these now have barely any flights, while Frontier has rapidly expanded at other airports. Based on the sources listed below, here is a new list I think needs to replace the current one:
Atlanta
Cleveland
Chicago
Cincinnati
Las Vegas
Orlando
Philadelphia
Trenton
Please respond with any suggestions or concers. Yes, I removed Miami, as I cannot find any recent source pointing to it being a focus city, has dropped out of top 10 markets, has barely any destinations according to Frontier's route map, and current "source" leads to nowhere.
https://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-and-book/route-map/
http://www.lanereport.com/59185/2016/01/cvg-experienced-6-6-passenger-growth-in-2015/
http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/frontier-airlines-rapid-network-changes-continue-a-return-to-philadelphia-now-with-a-ulcc-mindset-204809
Stinger20 (talk) 02:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updating Focus Cities 

message: In the spirit of WP:BRD requested by BilCat, let's discuss.
Is the Airline Quality Rating -- a faculty research project of two major universities which does a great deal to help consumers make informed decisions about air travel -- "spam-like," as claimed by MilborneOne?  Novel compound (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: As you have been adding it to multiple articles (which is were the spam-like comment comes from) it may be best for to raise why you think AQR should be added at the Airline Project, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added this to the articles for both high-ranked and low-ranked airlines, because those are the places where the information will help consumers the most. Do you really think it would be more fair if I singled out a single low-ranked airline, and added it only to that article? Novel compound (talk) 20:06, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines#Airline Quality Rating (AQR) for discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 21:11, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airline Quality Rating 

message: Any opinions on including all the IATA codes in this section? This is how it currently reads:
Also by September 1999, the airline was serving destinations from coast to coast in the U.S., having expanded its route network to include Atlanta (ATL); Baltimore (BWI); Bloomington/Normal, IL (BMI); Boston (BOS); Chicago (MDW, Midway Airport); Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW); Phoenix (PHX); Los Angeles (LAX); Minneapolis/St. Paul (MSP); New York City (LGA, LaGuardia Airport); Orlando (MCO); Portland, OR (PDX); Salt Lake City (SLC); San Diego (SAN); San Francisco (SFO); and Seattle (SEA), all served from its Denver hub.
In my opinion, the codes make this already clumsy sentence that much harder to read. I don't think they're necessary except for the cases where cities have multiple airports, but even then it could be rewritten with normal English prose. As further support, the rest of the article doesn't do this and is perfectly content to just name cities or airports. I'll go ahead and do this at some point later if no one has any thoughts. 174.127.228.32 (talk) 17:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: This could also be an opportunity to decide whether it's necessary to include this exhaustive list in the first place. I can see arguments either way; removing it wholesale right now seems a little too bold to me. Also, I just copyedited this section, so that'd be a little self-foot-shooting. 174.127.228.32 (talk) 17:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to include airport codes just need a link to the airport articles, although I am not sure what the list of airports adds as it is not clear from just a list of airports how significant the expansion of routes was. Some of us foreigners cant always relate places to where they actually are as far as a route network is concerned. MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Airport codes (specifically in 1990s history section) 

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message: Wikipedia should be precise. Frontier and Spirit are not merging. Frontier is acquiring Sprit. Spirit shareholders are proposed to get Frontier Airlines stock and $2.13 per share. A true merger is if there's a new company called Frontier Sprit Company but this is not happening. Frontier is buying Spirit.
Wikipedia should report the truth, not imprecise almost truths. Wikipedia has a tendency to unwitting be stooges of the corporate world, calling things "merger" or saying Continental was an airline when, in reality, Continental took over United. Continental management took over United. Continental's livery took over United. Just the United name was kept. Charliestalnaker (talk) 06:25, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I mean if you want to get really technical Frontier Group Holdings, Inc. (the holding company of Frontier Airlines) will form a new subsidiary called Top Gun Acquisition Corp. which will merge with and into Spirit, with Spirit surviving the merger and continuing as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Frontier. So it could be considered both a merger (the legal term Frontier used in SEC filings) and an acquisition. All mergers and acquisitions are complex transactions, and really the "gritty details" are unimportant to the average reader. I would argue that this is a so-called "merger of equals" because people that hold Frontier stock in February 2022 will own 51.5% of the combined airline and Spirit equity holders will own approximately 48.5% of the combined airline. That's a merger... not like when Continental purchased the mostly bankrupt United. In fact, Frontier is the one that's actually not in great financial shape at the moment. Furthermore, on the website the companies set up, they call it a "combination", not an acquisition. Anyways, for those reasons, I think it's more proper to call this a merger. --RickyCourtney (talk) 04:16, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Frontier is acquiring Spirit, plain and simple. It is accepting corporate propaganda to call it a merger. It's also less precise. Frontier is the surviving company and airline. As far as United, Wikipedia drinks the corporate Kool Aid by making it look like United is the surviving carrier if you read the United and Continental articles. We in Wikipedia should do better and write more precisely and accurately. Charliestalnaker (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing has happened yet. They (Spirit) are still in talks with both JetBlue and Frontier. The precise nature of the deal will not be known until an agreement is actually signed. Wikipedia is not the place for speculation, or academic discussions of what constitutes a merger vs an acquisition. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 11:48, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger corrections 

message: Where are we getting the data that Frontier will put 240 seats on the A321neo? (Same with the Spirit Airlines page, it says they are putting 235 seats on them.) I have not seen any sources on the matter, and until the first airplane actually gets delivered, there is no other way to know. Mirza Ahmed (talk) 11:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  A321neo seating 

message: Denver isnt listed as the airlines main hub or a focus city in the infobox, which is concerning because it should be. I believe it would go down as their one and only hub, but I'm not doing it right now because I'm on mobile, and I dont have a source in front of me. Cherrell410 (talk) 08:16, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denver as Hub