Talk:List of first-level administrative divisions by area

message: There has been multiple edits recently adding and removing England from this list, and I have seen some arguments over this.
Some say that England should be here, because it falls into the category of the first administrative divisions of the UK, that being the constituent countries, then the counties/shires, then the districts, then the civil parishes. Also, the fact that Greenland is here, marked as a subdivision of the Danish Realm, alongside with metropolitan Denmark and the Faroe Islands, supports this claim.
But there's people saying it that the constituent countries of the UK aren't exacly "subdivisions", and that they are more like things of their own, since the UK has three distinct legal jusridictions in Scotland, England and Wales, and Northern Ireland, each retaining its own legal system even after joining the UK, and that the real First-Level Administrative Regions of the UK are the counties/shires. In Reddit, I've even seen some people calling them "0th-Level Administrative Regions", although this argument is without support. Daniboy0826 (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I support the inclusion of England. I recently changed the country column to sovereign state, this is primarily because of Greenland. Greenland is an administrative division of the Danish Realm, but the Danish Realm is not a country, it is a sovereign state. Greenland is a country. The same goes for England. England is an administrative division (constituent country) of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is not a country, it is a sovereign state. England is a country. Contrary to popular belief sovereign states and countries are not the same, and countries can be administrative divisions in a larger sovereign state. – Treetoes023 (talk) 18:16, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is atypical semantics. Most people, and sources, are very happy to call the UK a country. As for England, it doesn't really exist as an administrative division, unlike Scotland, Wales, and NI, although it's an unusual case. CMD (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should England be here? 

message: I feel like there should be articles listing first-level administrative divisions by population and GDP (which I think are more interesting than just area). I note that this article has population figures, but it doesn't rank by them. Does it make sense to split out two separate pages for administrative divisions by population and GDP, or to somehow consolidate them? Rxtreme (talk) 12:17, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is alredy a page for that, although I do support putting more informations about the subdivisions here, maybe we'll make a row for GDP in the near future. Daniboy0826 (talk) 16:07, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like there's a page for GDP (though it's oddly restricted, and the title doesn't lend itself to easy discovery) but not for population? I think the latter is also important -- it's what I was originally searching for in vain (well, until I somehow found this page, which isn't about population). Rxtreme (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of first-level administrative divisions by population & GDP 

message: Do we really need the second summary table at the bottom? It ranks countries by the number of subdivisions they have on the page (which lists the top 380), which is a completely arbitrary bar to meet. If the list were longer, eventually Slovenia and its 212 občine would pull out on top, just because it has the most total subdivisions. Why do we need this table at all? I could understand if it included number of subdivisions within a certain size range, but right now it's completely silly. iRDM 05:21, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second summary table feels arbitrary 

message: To help reduce clutter: Instead of stating the unit of area (square kilometer, km) at the top of each table; how about we just state, at the top of the relevant column, "Area (km)", so that we don't hav to keep stating the unit? Solomonfromfinland (talk) 00:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Area