Talk:Pranava Veda

message: The description "A fascinating treatise on the creation of the universe and the ancient science of Pranava Veda or the cosmic life force. Written by a master in the Agamas." applies to the book by Dr. S. P. Sabharathnam listed on this page , and not some historical veda. So currently the Pranava Veda article is factually incorrect, since the second sentence from a 1965 gazetteer clearly does not refer to this book. Also note that Dr. S. P. Sabharathnam's book fails wikipedia's notability guideline for books. Abecedare 05:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does a mention from a gazetteer not testify that people follow a veda called Pranav Veda?BalanceRestored 07:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you have to say about ???? What is that referring to ???BalanceRestored 07:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Correction: Pranava vada does have sources, as pointed by dab, so perhaps an article can be created on that text. Abecedare 08:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  is this book referring Vada or Veda? it says "Pranava Veda, a Sanscrit work used in the East", you guys are trying to Ignore it.. BalanceRestored 09:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you all trying to force something purposely? When is it Veda, why mention it Vada? It is Pranav Veda written by Mayan (Maya) 10,000 years ago. This sages name is there in the Yajur Veda. This is the first Veda. There are 1000's books in Southern India that has clear citations for the same. Kindly do not play with ethics. Any why the end of Kaliyuga has come. You all know what will happen.. I don't have to write anything more. GOD is there, I believe in him 100%. Things will be there for you all too see.BalanceRestored 13:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  :D is that a divine curse or prophecy? Or a veiled threat? --Ragib 21:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: There are 4 lakh Indians who follow this veda in India. Kindly do not play with their emotions. This is a request.BalanceRestored 13:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the citation at . You say that too is not talking about Pranava Veda when it is Pranava Veda clearly written. Why are you all not taking that as it is?BalanceRestored 13:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Do you have a citation for the text being a misspelling? On what basis is it written that the text is a misspelling. Again you just ignore something else. Drāno (also spelled Draino) you have also ignored the same. You have replaced ā with a (both are different characters) in the text. You all are just trying what I do not know. What if by chance all this is the truth? What if actually tomorrow it is proven that the Pranava Veda is the 1st Veda. In sanskit Ved is pronounced "Vaid". The author has written "Vaida" which is nothing else but "Veda" which is the english way of writting Vāda "Vaida", "Vaida" or "Vaidam".BalanceRestored 06:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: "Mysore State Gazetteer:", 
*Printed by the Director of Print., Stationery and Publications at the Govt. Press 
*1965
*Page 220
you searched google books and came up with a snippet view of that publication. That's hardly a reference, and gives no context. Clearly far too obscure to warrant its own article. dab (𒁳) 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Kindly provide citations for the Panchals following the alleged "fifth Veda" kindly do not cite you own thoughts. BalanceRestored 07:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cited the details found by "Mysore State Gazetteer:"

message: Are there any citations for Pranava-Veda being the misspelling of Pranava-Vāda. This is misguiding the visitors. BalanceRestored 08:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a website that misspells it . I quote, "This system seems to have been recovered, in part at least, in a somewhat mysterious way, by Bhagavan Das, and we refer the student to his great work, the Pranava Veda." Abecedare 08:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Bhagwan Das's previous two books were titled "The Science of the emotions" and "The science of peace", so I guess he just wanted to continue the theme. He also notes in the "The nature of the present translation" (page 95 of preface) that he is concerned more with the spirit of the words than the letter, and has allowed himself freedom in use of the English language. Abecedare 10:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations for a misspelling for Pranava-Vāda

message: The above was written, kindly provide citations for the same.BalanceRestored 05:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Abecedare You made the following change and wrote, check the talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pranava_Veda&diff=144120765&oldid=144120510 I did not find citation which says Pranava Veda is "allegedly" a Veda. BalanceRestored 05:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: does any one have citations for Pranava Veda is "allegedly" a Veda?

message: "Indian government officials discovered the Pranava Veda, along with other documents, in a 10, 000 year old library approximately 30 years ago and entrusted the ancient texts to Dr Sthapati knowing that he is the only living person on the planet with complete knowledge of the subject and the ability to understand and interpret the technical language in which they are written. He is currently working on translations in common Tamil and English." Could be a rumor. 
Src : 
BalanceRestored 07:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something Interesting.

message: http://www.aumscience.com/board/vastucert.html
Check the topic "From Mayans Aintiram, a condensation of Pranava Veda" BalanceRestored 07:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: More resources confirming the Veda

message: pranava. Om, the sacred primordial sound principle.
pranava-naada (-naadha). Om sound.
pranava-swarupa (-svaruupa). Embodiment of Om.
source:http://www.sathyasai.org/refs/vahiniglossary/pentries.htm
One among the 1000 names of Lord Shiva.
BalanceRestored 10:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pranava

message: Considered to be the son of the Vasuprabhasa and his wife, Yogasiddha, according to 
one tradition, Visvakarma had five faces, ten hands and from each of the face he begot a 
son. Like their father, each of the sons was extraordinarily talented and versatile in all 
fields and because of their stature, they were also awarded the title of Maharishi (great 
sage or saint) (Sharma, 1989). Each of the five sons gave rise to a major artistic lineage, 
and theoretically any artist can trace his mythical descent to one of them. The five sons 
of Visvakarma are claimed to have been the first blacksmith, the first carpenter, the first 
founder, the first mason, the first goldsmith, variously and the succeeding generation of 
the craftsmen are supposed to be their progeny. Roberts (1909, p.11) quotes a passage 
from the Vedas: 
Manu was a blacksmith and author of the Rig Veda. Maya was a carpenter 
and author of Yajur Veda. Twashtak was a brass caster and author of 
Sama Veda. Shilpi was a mason-architect and author of the Atharvana 
Veda. And Vishvagna was a goldsmith and author of the Pranava Veda. 
http://www.amcreativityassoc.org/ACA%20Press/Global%20Correspondents/Global_1999.pdf 
Interesting to read it. Can someone find out who Roberts... and how and which passages he is quoting this from?
Got it, it is written by Roberts, A.E. (Roberts Alfred Edwards) (1909). Visvakarma and his descendants. Calcutta : All-India Vish-vakarma Brahman Mahasabha. 
* Identifier	vishwakarshamuay026126mbp
* Media Type	texts
* Call Number	26126
* Image Count	147
* Title	VISHWAKARSHAMU AYANA SANTATIYUNU
* Creator	ALFRED EDWARD ROBERT
* Publisher	DHAVALESHWARA SOMALINGACHARYULU
* Contributor	CCL
* Date	1927
* Contributor	SRI KRISHNA DEVARAYA ANDHRA BASHANILAYAMU
* Language	tel
* Contributor	PAR INFORMATICS HYDERABAD
* Public Date	2006-12-06 12:44:56
http://www.archive.org/details/vishwakarshamuay026126mbp
BalanceRestored 11:36, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Something really surprising

message: Pranava Vedam is also the title of a book by S. P. Sabharathnam  (no bibliographic details available, apparently self-published). This is the source of BalanceRestored's "A fascinating treatise on the creation of the universe".
There is another book in Telugu which has "Pranava Veda" in its title, Śrīcētanā kalpamu (praṇava vēda samājamu) anu śaśvāśruva, svacaśrī cētanā kalpaṭhānvīkāmrada praṇava vēda tatva jñāna samājam praṇavavēdānalambula katyantōpayōgambuga vidhīṣṇānyāsamu by Sandhyana Mahēṣṇa, Kākināḍa : Bhaṭla Rāmabrahmānandasadmayābhīṣṇa (1912) (thank you worldcatlibraries.org)
There is also a "Pranava Upanishad",  contained in the Paippalada (AV) Gopatha Brahmana.
dab (𒁳) 08:23, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Books