Talk:Big Brother 8 (American season)/Archive 5

message: I just want to make sure of this one.  I know that Eric kissed Jessica late Saturday night or early Sunday morning, however that kiss was prior to the assignment.  This task says completed.  I want to make sure that he kissed her again, and this is not just some confusion.  Does anybody know for sure? - Rjd0060 14:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same thing. Also, are the non-nomination/vote tasks retroactive. I.e, does he really have to kiss her again or does he get credit since he already did it? I suggest we switch back to Pending until we have verification. Jj04 15:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also is it verified that Jessica is even the intended target, or is this an assumption based on the fact that they've already kissed? Jj04 15:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  I am not sure if we know that Jessica is even the target either.  I have changed back to "Pending" and removed Jessica's name just in case.  - Rjd0060 16:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks.  I changed it last night after the show. - Rjd0060 23:55, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AP Task #22 

message: I was going to write about adding information to the HG articles about their stay in the jury house, when I realised they hadn't show any yet! Why has this not happened? I watched S6 and S7 and they had that stuff. It would be nice if information was available so it could be added to Houseguest profiles for this season. Example being that last season it was probably worth noting the howie/george incident from last year. Anyone have an answer? - Spyke1077 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They may show something today since Jen is supposed to be there. Unless they do something surprising like a double eviction which they need to do because their main site has the show going for ten weeks on their voting history. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't remember them having that much about the jury house.  I could be wrong.  I do remember that they showed jury members reaction when a new member would show up.  So like Alucard is saying, they will probably have Dustins reaction to Jens arrival on tonights show, and maybe some more info that could be used in the article. - Rjd0060 14:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Brother Jury 

message: The house made a stupid decision in tonight's show! I hope Zach doesn't Head of Household! Daniele deserves it more. i even think America's Player should go home. I hate him more than I did earlier today! User:ScottAHudson  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.213.90.227 (talk) 01:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Scott not to be rude but talk pages are not a place to discuss the show itself but how to improve this article. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amber 

message: Is there anyway to cite an episode of the show? I am just wandering. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check out the video entry at  Citation Templates (WP:CITET) - fmmarianicolon | Talk 17:26, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citing 

message: Why is there a week 11 when it has been mentioned no where, and the cbs only goes up to week 10? Anung Mwka 21:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Leave it be for now. And besides when giving an explanation about why House Calls won't have future evictiees/jury members this year on the show (read "House Calls Interviews" below) Gretchen said (from a statement from Big Brother) it is a twelve week competition. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Week 11 

message: Has it ever been stated what exactly will happen should he make it to the final 2? If they're doing as they've done in past seasons and showing the jury members current episodes of the show, would that influence their decision too much if they knew that Eric is already raking in cash from his tasks? If anybody knows this stuff, I think it would do well in the article. Ric | opiaterein 22:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't believe that they have said what will happen.  However, I think we can assume that the jury members are not seeing the complete episodes.  I assume that they only see ceremonies and competitions.  I highly doubt that BB will show them all of the conversations that are shown in episodes, and doubt they will show any DR sessions (including AP assignments) to the jury members.  So to answer your question, since BB has not said anything, I don't think we should add any speculation to the article. - Rjd0060 00:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the whole speculation thing but I found some stuff out that I think that should go in the article. On the cbs web site, it says that AP ends September 12. This is listed on the Americas Player section in the TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Here is what it exactly says, Voting Periods: America's Player on Big Brother begins on Sunday, July 8, 2007 at 5:00 PM Pacific Time (PT) and ends at 11:59:59 AM PT on Wednesday September 12, 2007 (the "America's Player Period"). Voting Periods: There will be twenty-nine (29) voting periods (each a "Voting Period and collectively the "Voting Periods") that occur within the America's Player Period. Basically this means that we have no control in what Eric does after Thursday. I wanted to put this in the article but I wasnt sure how I should phrase it or exactly where it should go. Heres the link to the page http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother8/americas_player/rules.htmlRosario lopez 02:00, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: GOOD WORK on finding this. - Rjd0060 02:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

text: *The article says that if he is a juror, we will decide who he has to vote to win.  Is this even accurate?  That is important to find out.  If it IS true, maybe something like this? "Erics final Americas Player assignment will be announced on the September 11 episode, unless he is a member of the jury, in which case viewers will decide on who should receive his vote to win the game." ... On second thought, maybe that doesn't sound too good but it is something to work off of. - Rjd0060 02:20, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is what I think will happen: The final voting day (according to the AP terms) is Sept. 11, which is the Thursday before the finale. I believe at this time there will be 3 people remaining in the game, if Eric has been evicted at this point, the viewers will vote for who he should vote to win. If the highest vote getter is evicted before the finale night, I think that they will do just as they have been all season and just go to the next highest vote getter. If Eric is still in the house at this time, the final task will probably (and most likely) be who he should evict. Thats just what I think will happen - it isn't from a source or anything. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 03:52, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: On "America's Player"

message: Gretchen has stated on Friday's show on CBS.com that beginning with Amber no evicted HouseGuest who is a jury member beyond this point will be interviewed until after the finale. I am going to attempt to type the statement below that Gretchen read from Big Brother:
We have made jury members of Big Brother available to the press the past few seasons always with the proviso that their questions not inform the ejected HouseGuest of influences outside his or her personal experience in the House. This season several cast members have made either offensive statements or exhibited controversial behavior, we respect journalist interests and rights to pose questions about these statements but believe at the same time doing so could provide information that influences the final vote and potential outcome of this twelve week competition. For that reason the remaining jurors will not be made available to the media for the duration of the program. They will be made available to the press after the Big Brother finale on September 18th.
Here is the the link for the video on CBS.com. It took me a while to get this word for word although I may have missed a word or two lol. I can recite the first part of Friday's House Calls now. I think this should be included somewhere in both the House Calls section on the main article plus the Incidents section in the main Big Brother article. How would we source this though? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind, I figured out how to cite the episode, I think. Plus I found another source about the decision. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 11:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  House Calls Interviews 

message: We should number Eric's completed tasks so we can see at a glance how many he has completed. Right now he's one away from his next $10,000. The numbers matter. Yes, there's a total elsewhere. The chart itself should indicate that. Wryspy 02:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw this version of the table, but didn't like how it looked.  I see the numbers by each word and it just looks bad.  There is a running total on top, and I believe that is sufficient.  - Rjd0060 02:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the table is fine the way it is. Adding another column just takes away space from an already over-crowded chart. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 15:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wryspy didn't want to add another column.  See This old revision, and notice that the numbers are right next to the word "Completed" for each task.  Zackinthebox: I personally don't like this proposed way, but wanted to make sure you know what exactly the proposal is. - Rjd0060 16:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, I guess I misunderstood. Thanks Rdj! But anyway, I still think that we should leave the table as is. I don't really like the numbers at the end, as they can be easily confused with the actual  task number - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 17:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tally on Eric's tasks

message: Uhh, someone's edited the table so it says that everyone's been systematically voted off until Daniele has won and Dick has been the runner up... which although it's possible, definitely hasn't happened yet. I would edit the table back myself, but I'm not sure how to do it, and I don't know if this is on purpose or not?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.153.75 (talk) 05:02, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. Wryspy 06:34, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table Vandalism? 

message: I wanted to let everyone know that I made two different notes for America's Player for the Voting Table. Note 2 is if the person America voted for leaves and Note 3 is if the person America votes for doesn't leave. I did this so new visitors to Wikipedia wouldn't be confused after my cousin was asking me if America wanted out Nick in Week 3. Poor thing. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting Table Notes 

message: I've edited the America's Player table twice already to reflect that, no, Eric didn't get Jessica nominated in week two as per his task, but someone keeps changing it back. I understand there'd been controversy about the other "is so and so nominated" tasks, but seeing as Jessica wasn't even nominated for the first time until eight weeks later, can someone explain to me why this task keeps being changed back to "completed"? Quack-Wabbit 14:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. Checking the CBS site says that the task was completed, in spite of the fact that a) by all appearances, it wasn't, and b) this pretty much directly contradicts the information Julie Chen told Eric on the most recent live eviction show. Ruling? Quack-Wabbit 14:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Eric's nomination task week two, as provided from CBS.com was "Of the remaining HouseGuests, who should Eric try to get nominated?" (emphasis added). Eric did try to get her nominated, and therefore is a complete task, see BB's website. In the following weeks, the producers changed the task's wording to "Which HouseGuest do you want Eric to get nominated?". This change in wording requires Eric to get someone nominated, not just try to. Jj04 13:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, during the eviction ceremony last week (Thu, Aug 27), when Eric went into the Diary Room to "cast" his vote to Evict (being Amber because America told him to do so), Julie announced to him and us that he had completed 17 of 22 tasks, obviously that isn't including the "get Amber evicted" (Task #23) task because it had not yet happened when Julie had said it. So 17 completed tasks, up to, but not including, Task 23 would indicate that Eric completed Task #3, by trying to get Jessica nominated. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 14:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  America's Player Revisions 

message: Is it possible we could get the semi protection back on this page until after the season is over? The vandalism is back... Constant reverting gets tiring... —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 18:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I requested protection again for the article. We'll see what happens this time - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 18:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-Protection Approved.  Zackinthebox: Hope you don't mind I added to your original request on the RFP page, and requested that it be semi-protected for 1 month (which it was) since the show will be over by then and won't be nearly as many edits.  - Rjd0060 02:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind at all LOL - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 02:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you know how some people are! - Rjd0060 02:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly, I do LOL - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 02:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-Protection 

message: If we put "Evicted to Sequester" for the Jury Members in the Voting History instead of "Evicted" that would make the table look ugly when we get to Week 10/11 when an evicted Jury Member has one box to put "Evicted" in if this makes any sense. The Jury Members are noted in the Infobox plus I added a message above the table about Jury Members voting for the winner in the Finale. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it for now. I used the color from the info box and put Jury member, so then it can be changed to who voted for whom when they vote. What do you think? - Jeeny Talk 05:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This whole Jury Members thing is getting on my nerves. That could work for now. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:21, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean. EVERYthing is getting on my nerves lately. Sheesh. :) - Jeeny Talk 05:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jury Members in Voting History 

message: I have rewritten the entire Big Brother (US) article. Mainly I formatted it similar to Big Brother (UK) in the way it is set up. I added a controversy section since WP:BIGBRO said it needed one, removed all the lovely trivia, decreased page size from 65 KB to 34 KB, added Big Brother: After Dark, and increased sources from 3 to 34. I have a complete list of changes on the talk page of the main article. I just wanted to get everyone's opinion on the new re-write and since this is the most popular place to be I thought I would post this here as well. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 13:00, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your Suggestions 

message: I think we already discussed this, but I'm not sure what was decided.  As far as the Veto symbol, I think that:
*If the Veto IS used, it should stay by the person who it is used on until the Thursday show.
*If it is NOT used, it should be deleted after the ceremony.
Was this discussed, and if so, what was decided? - Rjd0060 14:23, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't sure if it was discussed I forgot but I have it fixed to reflect the website since the CBS website has the Veto indicator for Dani and Nominations for Jameka and Jessica and HoH for Zach. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 16:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK.  I think that we should just stick with CBS.com and leave the veto symbol until Thursday's show (when they remove it also). - Rjd0060 16:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me, from my experience they do remove the Veto indicator if it is used though. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 18:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct. - Rjd0060 19:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veto 

message: Guys the PoV page is nominated for Deletion and currently there are four votes for Delete and one to Keep (me) and I am posting here since this is currently the most active BB US page around. So please voice your opinion on this matter.  ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 16:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Power of Veto (Big Brother)|Power of Veto]] Page 

message: Someone added "Jury Member" to each houseguest's name in the voting history. I reverted this because that space is for the final vote for the winner of BB8. 99.243.247.227 01:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We were going to leave it as jury member until the final vote.  Then it will be changed. - Rjd0060 01:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea we are putting "Jury Member" in the vacant box until the finale because some other users expand the "Eviction" all the way across the table. Also when the season is over we are changing the Jury Members in the Infobox to evicted because of the same users putting "Jury" in the Veto spot. If you look through the archives this has already been discussed. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jury members in voting history 

message: I have added Notes 8, 9, and 10 to the table. Note 8 is about the evictions on Tuesday (Day 74) and Thursday (Day 76). Note 9 is for the last HoH and eviction. Note 10 is that the Jury votes for the winner except that America controls who Eric votes for. If anyone can check them to see if they are worded right please do so. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting History Notes 

message: I just want to make sure that we are 110% sure that Eric's jury vote will be an AP task.  Julie wasn't very clear on the show tonight.  I believe she said "You have one more task.  You have to come back on September 18".  Now unless I missed it, she didn't associate coming back with Americas Player.  So, are we POSITIVE about this?  If not, we need to remove all comments in the article that mention this, until we know for sure. - Rjd0060 01:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea. You know how BB changes things as they go along. lol. It better mean we, the public, get to vote. - Jeeny Talk 01:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The way it stands now and based on earlier episodes it is currently America who has Eric's Jury vote. Unless we hear different. This should be confirmed once we have the final two so for now we just leave it as America has his Jury vote until the final two are decided. That is when they should let America vote for who they want Eric to vote for. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thats what I really thought (that we would control his vote) but then I heard that so I'm just trying to do the whole "not a crystal ball thing".  I'm fine with leaving it for now. - Rjd0060 01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reason I said leave it is if you back to when it AP was introduced early in the season it is stated that if he makes it to the Jury America controls his Jury vote. I really need to delete some programs from my DVR. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 03:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just checked out CBS.com AP page and it says America's Player is not done yet! He has one more task to accomplish. On finale night Eric will need to cast your vote for the winner, America. More details to come. So we do control his vote to win. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 13:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Alucard..I just wanted to make sure it was a sure thing.- Rjd0060 14:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem this is the only task that I am looking forward to voting in. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 15:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not so IMPORTANT: AP Task? 

message: Here is a list of the upcoming episodes and what will happen during each episode as described by Julie:
*Sunday (Sept. 9) - Head of Household/Nominations
*Tuesday (Sept. 11) - Live Power of Veto Ceremony/Eviction
*Thursday (Sept. 13) - Final HoH/Last Eviction.
And with the Voting History the Thursday show with the eviction is considered part of Week 10 so for this season Week 10 will have "colspan=2". For now the way the schedule looks and the way it has been done in the past please leave it alone until after two HouseGuests are going in Week 10. On Thursday nights we don't start a new week until after the eviction. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And the finale will be Tuesday Sept. 20 and there is a Sunday show until CBS states otherwise.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify: the 20th is a Thursday and the finale is on Tuesday the 18th. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 22:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Confirming that the finale is Tuesday, September 18, 2007.- Rjd0060 22:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry thinking of Survivor also. Can't wait for the new season. Sorry for mixing up the dates my bad.♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 22:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Schedule for BB/Voting Table 

message: What time are veto competitions usually held? I mean time of day by the way!!!! ScottAHudson 17:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not the place to ask this but the veto comp. is usually held on a Saturday during the afternoon if I am not mistaken. Sometimes this varies. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 18:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Veto Competitions 

message: Didn't Dick win a plasma TV in a veto competition. I'm not sure what day it was but it was during the Christmas one, where Jen had to wear a united.Rosario lopez 22:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  See Big Brother 8 (US) highlights, and it is under Week 2 competitions (3rd bullet point). - Rjd0060 22:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok I added his win to the prize section.Rosario lopez 01:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prizes 

message: It shows Jessica being evicted in week 9, and Eric in week 10, but they were both evicted the same day (69), which is the same week.  Is there a way to fix this ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.82.79.140 (talk) 18:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The coral/pink "Evicted" boxes show when a person wasn't in the house.  For example, Eric's status became "evicted" at the start of Week 10, while Jessica's evicted status begins halfway in the Week 9 column, only because she left before Eric.  Week 9 is spread out over two columns to account for two people leaving that week, even though they left only a few minutes apart.  --Mtjaws 19:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:   OK, I get it now, both are "pinked" out for week 10, thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.82.79.140 (talk) 21:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eviction question 

message: The caption for the image of the group of HGs is:
"The first 11 HouseGuests to enter...".  But that isn't accurate, is it?  Since the other 3 (Dick, Jessica, and Dustin) were already inside, in the HoH room.  What should this be changed to? - Rjd0060 21:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I moved around those pics when they were first posted, but something was always unsettling to me about the way they were captioned.  My memory is a little fuzzy, but did CBS ever label Dick, Jess, and Dustin as "nemeses"?  If they did, ok, I guess there's reason to caption the image that way, but since there are two halves to each set of "nemeses", it just seems odd to me.  I just wish we could find a picture of all 14, because it's not like the 3 "nemeses" remained an isolated group for more than about 11 seconds of the show.  They were fully integrated into the rest of the cast, almost right away. Tommy 03:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the "11" arrive on day one, whilst the other three arrived a couple of days later? On the first show where Julie revealed that Dick, Dustin and Jessica were upstairs, the others had already spent a few days together as they enter before the show begins airing. Seaserpent85Talk 08:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, they had been in the house before the first episode, but Julie said that before the 11 HGs entered, the 3 "nemeses" had already entered and had been sequestered to the HoH room. - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 10:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But I don't really think that the 3 were up there for days all alone.  What screws things up is that the HGs were in the house for about a week before the first show.  I wish we knew how many days they were in there prior to the first Live show.  But we still should change the caption (for the 11 pic) to something that doesn't mention how long anybody has been there.  Maybe something like "The HouseGuests excluding the three nemesis" and maybe the word nemesis can be a link down to their picture? - Rjd0060 14:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm fairly certain it was only a matter of an hour or two, based on what I remember of the houseguests' conversations that "first" night.  I specifically remember them saying things like "We were just starting to get to know each other", etc.Either way, it clearly wasn't days that Evel, Jess, and Dustin were living in the HoH room with no food or water.  If you watch the very beginning of Episode 1, the voiceover says "Tonight, 14 men and women will enter this house..." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y37MVtnFaR0)   Beyond that, if you watch the episode, the "11" compete in HoH, and then you see them sitting back in the living room.  Several of them are still wearing the same clothes from before HoH (Nick), and Kail had wet hair, because she took a shower after getting covered in flour (or whatever that was) in the HoH comp.  Dick/Jess/Dustin are all still wearing the same clothes they were introduced in, when they come down from HoH to meet everyone else.  Tommy 15:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What I am saying is, when we watched the HGs enter the house, I don't know if that part was live.  But that doesn't really matter though.  We are veering off the topic of this discussion, and that is what should the caption be for the 11 photo. I am going to change it now to "The first 11 HouseGuests introduced on the show" - Rjd0060 19:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I think the phrase "The first 11 HouseGuests introduced on the show" would be more fitting. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 15:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The first 11 HouseGuests introduced on the show" or "The HouseGuests excluding the three nemesis".  Either one is fine with me, but it is agreed that it needs to be changed. - Rjd0060 15:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, but I gotta ask again...why are we branding Dick/Jess/Dustin with the term "nemesis"?  I can't find that used by the producers in the episodes...but Julie Chen says "a rival, enemy, or someone with whom they have unfinished business."  I just think it's a weird word to be using to describe the reality of the situation. Tommy 15:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as using the word "nemesis", I see no problem using that because if you see one of the definitions for nemesis, it "is a formidable ... rival or opponent", and I think that is an accurate description. - Rjd0060 19:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I still don't like it.  I feel like the way we use it in the article almost makes it seem like it's an official title to separate those three from the rest of the HG's.Tommy 21:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know why you think it sounds like an official title.  It does separate them from the rest, but they kind of should be as they were separate from the rest.  That was a big deal since they couldn't compete in the HoH comp.  If it were to be changed, what would you recommend changing it to? - Rjd0060 22:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Houseguest Image 

message: someone should take off the part in Daniele's bio that says that she technically broke the rules because she was twenty since this is the second time that they allow someone under the age limit (Michelle was 19 in season 4)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.154.24.26 (talk) 12:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Xylogirl107 is correct.  I believe this information should stay.  It IS referenced, and confirmed by CBS.com. It is a very interesting piece of information that I believe fits the article. - Rjd0060 14:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: She didn't necessarily break the rules, and perhaps it can be reworded slightly to reflect this - I believe that Daniele was allowed to apply due to the nemesis twist - can we find some information somewhere from CBS explaining any of this? - supremegoddessofall 23:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She did technically break the rules.  I agree that CBS and/or BB Producers allowed her to break the rule because of the twist, but she did not meet an official eligibility requirement.  It is stated as an official Eligibility Requirement for Big Brother that "... 6. You must be at least 21 years of age at the time of application. ...".  If you havent seen the website for yourself, you can look here  Its official - CBS.com.- Rjd0060 23:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, I mean did she intentionally falsify her application or submit an application on her own knowing that she was underage?  Or did she get asked to apply due to her father being scripted in order to meet the nemesis plotline?  Believe me, I'm not a Daniele fan, but saying that she "broke the rules" implies that she was deliberately deceptive.  Maybe she was, maybe she wasn't - that's why we need a source specific to *Daniele's* application rather than just the show rules themselves. - supremegoddessofall 01:46, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see what you are saying now.  I misunderstood before.  I am sure that they (BB) wanted her for the plot.  I don't know what it could be changed to, but I definitely think that it should stay on there, in some form.  Do you have any suggestions on what to change it to? - Rjd0060 01:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see your edit.  I think that looks good for now. - Rjd0060 01:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daniele's age 

message: When does voting end for the campaign task for Eric end? Is it like the past: 12AM Pacific Time? ScottAHudson 20:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 8PM Pacific / 11PM Eastern on Saturday, September 15  - Rjd0060 20:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric's Jury Task 

message: When is it?--Sugarcubez 03:54, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Tuesday, September 18 at 9:00 PM EST - zachinthebox (User • Talk) 13:26, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FINALE! 

message: I have reverted the edit by ScottAHudson.  His edit reflected that Zach was evicted in week 11, with the rationale that the CBS website shows his eviction in week 11.  While this is true, our Voting History table does not match CBS at all (as far as evictions).  Example:Our history table shows Carol's eviction in week 1, while CBS shows Carol's eviction in week 2.  Every eviction is off by one week.  So leave it like it is.  Check the website yourself.  See the table here. - Rjd0060 02:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he is actually looking at the actual CBS voting history table which actually matches the one we have here until Week 10. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 16:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I still don't know why CBS is contradicting itself.   - Rjd0060 22:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the confusion is that the show didn't air until a week after they entered the house. I guess because of the twist. It's all messed up. The day numbers, etc. sigh. I think we should just stay with what we have, unless someone comes up with a better alternative. - Jeeny Talk 23:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  Keep as it is. - Rjd0060 23:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voting History Table 

message: I am assuming that we will be removing the spoiler tags throughout the page after the finale.  Is this correct? - Rjd0060 23:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wait until after the show has aired on the West Cost. Because 9 times out of 10 it will be live for the East Coast but delayed for the West Coast. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 23:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes after the finale, West Coast time. To be fair, even though the right coast ...is well... the right one. :p - Jeeny Talk 23:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Tags 

message: Big Brother After Dark takes place from 9 P.M. to Midnight PT in the Big Brother House in L.A., but it's televised with a three hour tape delay on the west coast. It's more accurate to say that it's on from Midnight to 3 A.M. ET & PT.69.181.156.67 11:35, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it to "... is carrying a spin-off of the series called Big Brother: After Dark, which airs nightly from 9 p.m.—12 a.m. (EST / PST). The show is live for the viewers on the East coast, however viewers on the West are viewing a taped version. ..."  I don't know if this is worded perfectly, but it's good enough until somebody with a better idea comes along. - Rjd0060 13:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't air 9pm-12am on the East (or West either, since it is tape delayed).  It actually airs 12am-3am.  I'll make the change now.  --Mtjaws 16:41, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, Thats right.  duh! - Rjd0060 16:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I noticed that you didn't change it yet, so I went ahead and did. - Rjd0060 16:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I was in the process of it, and trying to figure out (via edit conflict) the best place for the "actual/local House hours" being shown.  Putting it right after the "PST" (which should be EDT/PDT now that I think about it) makes it look like we can't do the math because 12a-3a Pacific isn't the same as 9p-12a BB House time, which I felt was being suggested before I moved it.  It could probably be improved further so I'm open to other's suggestions/attempts.  --Mtjaws 17:08, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good now.  Thanks for your help with it. - Rjd0060 17:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Weird.  I had no idea that SHOTOO even had a Pacific Feed.  DirecTV only carries the Eastern feed, so it actually does air live 9p-12a PDT at my house! :)  Maybe it would be best to say that it airs 12a-3a Eastern and leave it at that. --Robb0995 06:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ''Big Brother After Dark''

message: Since it is now the end should we put a color beside Eric's name and at the bottom put "America's Player" with the amount of money he won? I think that now since it is the end it is ok to give him a seperate color in the Infobox since he did win money aside from the finalists. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:22, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. - Jeeny Talk 02:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well since you said yes I decided to be bold and do it. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:27, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Good Thinkin'! - Rjd0060 02:29, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well there isn't that many chances that the US can use the optional colors. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll be like Jeeny and just say.......Yes. - Rjd0060 02:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol. Second yes. - Jeeny Talk 02:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you are going to put a different in his box, please put evicted in the description of the color in the legend. ScottAHudson Talk  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.88.4 (talk) 11:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it back.  ScottAHudson, don't just delete stuff.  Propose a change. - Rjd0060 14:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: ScottAHudson, Eric was evicted because he has an exit date, America's Player is noteworthy for the infobox now. Eric did win $40,000 and was America's Player which is an important twist to the game and should be noted. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 18:14, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  America's Player in Endgame Infobox 

message: This is not a big deal right now but eventually we need to create a page for Dick. Only because all of the other winners have there own page so it would make sense to create one for him. Rosario lopez 06:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Winning Big Brother, alone, is not notable enough for its own page.  Until Dick does something that is actually notable outside the house, the current redirect is sufficient.  This has been discussed (discussion may still be going on) on the AfD page for "Dick Donato" (prior to the redirect). - Rjd0060 13:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the discussion is still going on.  See it here. - Rjd0060 14:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dicks own page 

message: In looking at the overall order of the article, I think it could be improved by moving some sections higher in the page.  First of all, the "House Calls" section is a somewhat off-topic way of leading off because it's a very minor element of the show.  It belongs towards the end, and the "Chronology" and "HouseGuests" sections should start the main article following the intro.  And the "Voting History" table deserves to be up closer to the people, with the "Ratings" section dropped below "America's Player".  I rearranged the entire page in my Sandbox and the table of contents is copied here.
    * 1 Chronology
    * 2 HouseGuests
          o 2.1 Amber
          o 2.2 Carol
          (etc.)
    * 3 Big Brother House
    * 4 Prizes
    * 5 Voting history
    * 6 Interactive options
          o 6.1 America's Player
                + 6.1.1 AP Task Overview
                      # 6.1.1.1 Thursday's Task
                      # 6.1.1.2 Tuesday's Task
                      # 6.1.1.3 Sunday's Task
                      # 6.1.1.4 Results
          o 6.2 Big Brother interactive
    * 7 Ratings
    * 8 House Calls: The Big Brother Talk Show
    * 9 See also
    * 10 References
    * 11 External links
I feel this will greatly improve the flow of the article and have the more important items higher on the page.  It may not be perfect, but I do see lots of improvements in it.  Thanks.  --Mtjaws 18:29, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the idea however I would make one change and that is to move the Voting History table to below the Interactive Options section,  because AP is referred to numerous times in the Voting History table and if people are going through the page top to bottom, I think it would make more sense to have it that way. - Rjd0060 19:23, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With things quiet now, I made the reordering changes, including Rjd0060's suggestion to put Voting History below America's Player.  That makes sense to me too.  Thanks.  --Mtjaws 15:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just want to say good work!  - Rjd0060 22:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reordering the sections 

message: The article states:
"Dick was a finalist in the selection process for Seasons 5 and 6.[citation needed] Dick and Daniele have started to mend their relationship, and Daniele has told him she loves him. Dick has said he will do anything for Daniele. An example of this when they were both nominated on Day 42. After Dick won the Power of Veto, he used it to save Daniele rather than himself. That was the first time in the history of Big Brother that a HouseGuest nominated for eviction used the Veto to remove the other person from the nomination block."
That is not true.  Marcellas Reynolds removed Amy Crews from the block in Season 3 as stated below in another Wiki article:
"Marcellas was involved in one of the most shocking moments, in what is still considered one of the stupidest moves in the show's history. When Marcellas and Amy were nominated by Head of Household Jason, Marcellas won the Power of Veto contest. Seeming to believe that he had a agreement with HouseGuest Danielle, Marcellas chose not to use the veto on himself. However, Danielle did in fact vote to evict Marcellas, making it a 1-1 tie that was broken by HoH Jason who also voted to evict Marcellas, telling him he "should have used the veto". Until Season 8, this was the only time that a nominated HouseGuest won the Veto and did not use it on themselves. Marcellas still felt betrayed at Danielle four years later when they both appeared on Big Brother: All Stars and he found it difficult to talk to or be around her."Rodandjoyce 05:25, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read it more carefully. Right, Marcellas failed to use it on himself, however he didn't use it to help the other person on the block. Dick used his to help the other person who'd been on the block. Wryspy 05:41, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: To explain it more specifically, Marcellas chose not to use the PoV at all (not on himself, or the other nominee).  Dick did use the PoV (on Daniele). - Rjd0060 14:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said. Wryspy 21:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank You. ;-)   - Rjd0060 21:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Not a big deal. - Rjd0060 02:14, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error.  This is NOT the first time in BB history that a nominee has removed the other nominee from the block. 

message: Shouldn't this article be more than start class on the quality scale by now? ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 02:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should be GA status by now.  But since it isn't, yes it should be something other than Start. - Rjd0060 02:36, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know what I am talking about.  I was thinking about Big Brother (US) that was nominated for GA.  I dont know what this one should be rated as.  - Rjd0060 02:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of the other ones are at class B, so I changed this one to B as well. - Rjd0060 02:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Start Class?? 

message: This isn't that a big a deal, but I like to report anything I did, since this is probably one of the most active discussion pages on Wikipedia. I cleaned up some stuff in the Dick and Daniele bios, some stuff that was written after the finale. Mostly spelling/grammar/capitalization stuff, different and better wording. It was written kind of sloppy, so I just "re-toolded" it a bit to make it sound better. - Spyke1077 02:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some minor clean ups 

message: I am just noticing that Dick has his own page now Dick Donato, and the page is linked from his bio on this BB page.  First of all, I am thinking about nominating that page for deletion.  Why does he need his own page?  We arent going to make a page for every HouseGuest?  Since there is a link on this article, that is why I am mentioning it here. - Rjd0060 01:20, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I say for now leave it, just in case he is the winner. People love to create an article for the winner. See Brian Belo as my example. It at least is more detailed than the example than I provided. But just in case he is the winner wait until after the finale. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 01:30, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Too late. Already nominated AFD.  If you really think it should be kept, vote to keep it.  - Rjd0060 01:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

text: What would Dick be known for other than BB8? If it's something significant, then he should have his own page. Otherwise, I agree with not needing one. Snowfire51 05:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dick 

message: Should we change the exempt color to      since the HoH color is now      ? I think we should to follow guidelines. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 05:16, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Exempt Color 

message: I've removed the ages from all of the HG bios.  There is already present a date of birth, and that should be sufficient.  Otherwise, we need to change the wording to something like "At the time of airing...." because people are apparently going to change their age every year, which is unnecessary and misleading. - Rjd0060 (talk) 14:47, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed ages 

message: Can someone please do the ratings calculations for the rest of the season? I would do them myself, but I don't know the conversions for the Neilsen ratings. Thanks. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 00:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have done the ones that are available.  The ratings for the final 2 episodes will be available by Nielsen on Wednesday, so we cannot finish until then. - Rjd0060 02:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody else is going to have to either tell me where to find them or do them ---> The final week ratings.  I cannot find them on Nielsen. - Rjd0060 02:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That is because Nielsen sells the ratings. Plastikspork (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings 

message: See Talk: Big Brother 10 (U.S.) and Talk: Big Brother 11 (U.S.). Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ratings table