Talk:Michael Schumacher/Archive 1

message: According to my company's intranet, on 11 December 2003, Schumacher was beaten by and Italian Air Force Eurofighter. Schumacher, in his F2003-GA, beat the plane on the first 600m sprint, but was defeated on the longer 900m and 1200m sprints. The conditions were wet and the Typhoon had to complete the runs on the ground (on a parallel runway). -- Darac 13:52, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See Yahoo news. BTW, the pilot of the Eurofighter was the former european astronaut Maurizio Cheli. andy 14:00, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Beaten by Eurofighter?

message: Is there a reason why the name of the company sponsoring schumi's hat is not mentioned? It is something like Deutsch Vermogensberatung, I am not sure of spelling though... AlbinoMonkey
:The reason may well be because no-one else could be sure of how to spell it! Having looked it up, I find that it's "Deutsche Vermögensberatung". There's no Wikipedia page about the company as of this moment, but I don't see that that's a reason not to mention the company name, so I've put it in. Loganberry 00:26, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Deutsch Vermogensberatung (german engineering) 

message: In the controversy section, I think there should definitely be mention of the 2002 Austrian Grand Prix (where Rubens Barrichello slowed down to let him win on the last lap - which caused the FIA to make rules against "team orders"), and maybe a little reference to the 2002 United States Grand Prix (where Schumi "repaid" the Austrian win...yeah, right). But due to this statement (which I did not want to remove as it is somewhat true), I was not sure exactly how to put the information in:
: In more recent years, however, his success with Ferrari, moderation of his on-track tactics, and a more relaxed public persona have rehabilitated Schumacher's image for most fans
Suggestions? --AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 01:43, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversy 

message: "Schumacher has been widely regarded as the fastest driver in F1 and the most dominant driver of his era. However, Schumacher's driving tactics have been called into question by some observers who note that, in his early racing years, Schumacher had a tendency to crash into his rivals in championship-deciding races. Some (but by no means all) observers considered his crashes to be deliberate attempts on Michael's behalf to take rivals out of a race, which (if true) would be not only bad sportsmanship but also incredibly dangerous, given the fragile, super-fast open-wheel race cars."
No facts to back the above statement. Its definitely someones point of view. He isnt the only guy who crashed into his teammate. Even Senna did it. Team orders are as old as formula one. David Coulthard and Mika Hakkinen made a pre race deal in the Australian Grand prix 1999 or 1997 wherein whoever got to the first corner first won the race. Sure enough DC slowed and let Hakkinen through. If you see the wikiquote on schumachers page Hill himself calls him a professional. Please back ur statements with facts and not abt the fact that you like schumachers dominance or not (by User:65.24.145.64|talk)
:The way it is expressed is POV for sure, but the facts are there. In '94 Adelaide, Schumacher ran into Hill and subsequently won the championship. In '97 Jerez, he ran into Villeneuve, but ended up retiring himself and being disqualified from the championship for the collision, which he later admitted was a misjudgement. It's got nothing to do with team orders or crashing into teammates... But yes, it has to be reworded. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 29 June 2005 00:24 (UTC)
::The first paragraph is not a proper introduction. He making huge bucks is not something that any reader interested in Schumi wud wanna know at the Introduction stage. Check out the highest payed athelete(Tiger Woods) article. That needs a bit of rework. Agree with albino monkey on the facts,suggest that it be worded neutrally like the one in Sennas article article(he and prost taking on each other as Suzuka). Whether we like him or not he is a complete professional. He gets the job done to clical perfection(as highlighted by the wiki quote by damon hill-his longtime foe). His achievements can be better highlighted. The talk abt trashing his hotel cud be better worded and cud be placed in the controversy. He isnt even half as eccentric like the other F1 drivers. His personal life has been a model for youngsters. There are many intersting facts about his move to the top. His debut at spa where he had just ridden a bike, his fight to the top with a team running on previous success,his conquests in the rain like the one at Spa Franchochamps where he was going to lap everyone in the grid when he ran into the back of David,his consistant out qualifying of his team mate. He came back from his injury in 1999 with both legs filled with steel plates to win at malaysia or rather let Irvine win at malaysia.(Hasnt he repayed Irvines so called "team order" favors). I am not sure I am that equipped in editing this page as u can see I am a big schumacher fan and I dont want this article to go from negative POV on schumacher to glorifying POV from me. I have added my few cents and let the other guys do the editing. This unsigned comment by User:65.162.120.25
:::I'm neither a Schumacher fan or hater, so when I get some time I'll have a look through the article and hopefully make it NPOV. You can edit the page if you want, but if you don't want to, just write a list here of the things you have an issue with, and what information you think should be added to the article. I haven't been watching F1 for Schumacher's whole career, so I don't know a lot of the early stuff. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 1 July 2005 04:08 (UTC)
::::I've edited this to (hopefully) conform to Wikipedia's NPOV policy. Could interested parties please review the section and raise any objections you may have to the new version. Thanks, Mark 17:04, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Not Neutral