Talk:Pre-colonial history of the Democratic Republic of the Congo

message: * Luba, Maravi, Lunda etc
im actually working on translating the german version of the article which i believe includes extensives info on those groups, are you planning on including some info on them on the page?--Gozar 23:51, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: de:Geschichte der Demokratischen Republik Kongo seems to have lots of info that the english version could use. i just left the above as a note in case i worked on it in the future. no immediate plans to though. so feel free to add stuff about those groups. looks like we have similar interests - the DRC articles all need a lot of work. - Xed 00:43, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: im seriously considering an earlier suggestion that the Early Congolese History should be split in two(at least on the main page) with one section one pre-/ancient history and one with a title similar to the one on the Early Congolese page (On the Eve of Colonial Rule doesnt seem academic enough for its own section on the main page). i will likely wait for the input of others before updating. also, i created the geography, politics, and wildlife sections for the main page and havent had much feedback. if anyone could let me know what they think (i feel like i have a tendency to add a lot of unneccessary information) it would be appreciated. thanks. --Gozar 00:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've no strong feelings either way about splitting the early history section. the geog , politics, and wildlife sections are good. wildlife should probably be renamed "flora and fauna" (see South Africa and Australia), shortened, and made broader in scope. the full length version of wildlife could go in a separate articles - 'fauna in the drc' and 'flora in the drc'- Xed 10:43, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone said that you wanted some Congolese input here. I wonder why you all assumed that none of the people already here was Congolese. But if you want one extra, here I am. I like the title "Early Congolese History", much more considerate of the Congolese equal status in the human family (as opposed to being some savages who were lost until the mighty colonizer came to give them a meaning, and a purpose). I am also for plumping up the separate "main articles", and streamlining some of the section on the main page.Themalau 10:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early Congolese history 

message: The title Early Congolese history could be for either of the Congos. Is this article covering both Congos or just the DRC as it seems to be? ---moyogo 21:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a bit vague, but it's mainly DRC. Maybe it should be changed to "Early DRC history", but that would have other problems - like the DRC didn't exist then. - Xed 21:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ambiguity with other Congo 

message: Most of this article is actually about prehistory - i.e. the period that predates written records. TharkunColl 08:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Disagree with this strict definition of 'history'. History in its most common use just means 'how it was before now'. That's what this article is about. Besides, especially in the context of African nations for which 'written history' starts with the sparse notes on trade by West-Europeans, it doesn't make sense at all to call everything before that 'prehistory'. — mark ✎ 17:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: This is not history!

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Since two-thirds of it is "eve of colonial era", and covers events as recent as 1890s, which is hardly early. Rexparry sydney 13:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to deal quite consistently with history before the European conquest, in this case by Leopold. It seems somewhat silly to divide the history of the Congo by the present boundary along the river; why not move to "History of the Congo basin" and expand to include any kingdom now omitted in the present territory of Congo-Brazzaville? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's part of a Democratic Republic of the Congo Series as indicated by the History of DR Congo infobox and would have to be taken out of that if expanded to include Republic of Congo and Cabinda. Rexparry sydney 03:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to have to agree with PMAnderson here. It doesn't seem like a good idea to parse information on prehistory retroactively based on very recently-set national boundaries. Dekimasuよ! 06:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

text: *No, just add it to infoboxes on both countries, if they both exist.... (and Angola if necessary) Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. --Stemonitis 09:47, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I have revised the introduction accordingly, would one of you now add the Congo-Brazzaville and Cabinda coverage. Thanks. Rexparry sydney 12:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: this link reprints much of  a paper from Phylon ("The Old Congo", by John Henrik Clarke;  Phylon , Vol. 23, No. 1. (1st Qtr., 1962), pp. 61-65. JSTOR which should be useful. I am out of my field here, but if I'll be back to do something with this, if noone else does. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose change title to "Precolonial history of the Democratic Republic of the Congo" 

message: I'm just passing through and have no deep knowledge of the historical issues so I'm mostly just doing a copy edit -- expanded one reference which otherwise was a dead link, etc... Anyway, I understand and agree with some of the concerns expressed above but have no solution to propose. Just wanna say "The 5th century saw this societal evolution develop in the area around present day Kamilamba at the Kabambasee, which was followed and replaced by a number of other cultures which were based around the cities of Sanga and Katango." contains four (4) redlinks, which is usually undesirable unless the point is to strongly indicate that there *should* be an article. I am however unable to identify these places with certitude so I'm just noting the issue here. For instance does Katango=Katanga? Don't think I should guess and it's peripheral to the research I am doing as I edit. So. Should be fix, imho.  Elinruby (talk) 01:11, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  question on Upemba section 

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