Talk:Ivo Pogorelić

message: That is a really, really, really BAD photo of him.  It makes him look like a sick, tired, old man.  I'd much prefer no photo at all than ... that ... thing.  --  JackofOz (talk) 13:37, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections?  Good.  It's gone.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 09:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Hopefully, someone can find a better one - perferably taken before 1995.  Too bad Wikipedia guidelines for photos are restrictive - otherwise we could just use a CD cover.THD3 (talk) 14:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

text:  Seems the BAD photo, the one that makes him look like a 70-year old wrestler, was reinserted in 2011.  I've removed it again.  Please do not just reinsert it again without discussing here.  --  Jack of Oz [Talk] 23:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Photo

message: I'm seeking input in how to list Pogorelić's nationality.  He was born in what was then Yugoslavia (but what is now Serbia) to a Croatian father and Serbian mother.  Per WP:Intro ethnicity is not included in the intro, but can be noted later in the article.  Does anyone know Pogo's current citizenship/residence status?  I heard he was living in London.  For the time being, I will list him as a Yugoslavian pianist, as that was how it was listed at the time he was born.THD3 (talk) 13:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like I found my own answer.  Pogorelić became a Croatian citizen following the breakup of Yugoslavia.  Based on citizenship status, I am listing him as Croatian.THD3 (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Serbian/Croatian/Yugoslav?

message: I'm new here, but I have to say I very much regret the loss of the repertoire list. I thought it was the most useful part of the article. Tillander 02:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know of any other pianist's articles that have repertoire lists - part of the problem is it has to be referenced.  However, several have separate discography pages.  It should not be too difficult to create a discography for Pogorelich as he has not made many recordings.THD3 (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Repertoire List

message: I have some doubts on some of the information presented here. For instance, when did he study at and graduate from Moscow Conservatory? Has the "International Piano Solo Competition" had a sequel since the opening in Pasadena? Who knows which young musicians performed at the Ivo Pogorelich Piano Festival in Germany, and where are they now? Pogorelich's name is not listed on the Unesco-website as Goodwill Ambassador. Was the Carnegie Hall concert his debut as a concert pianist? If not, when was his debut? And what about his activities in support of illnesses such as cancer and multiple sclerosis; what do they consist of? And is he still active in this field? Anyone who can supply verifiable information, or can eliminate some non-facts in this article, please do! --Hansung02 (talk) 22:18, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facts? 

message: «In 1976 he began studying intensively with the Georgian pianist and teacher Aliza Kezeradze, who passed on to him the tradition of the Liszt–Siloti school. They were married from 1980 until her death in 1996.»
Well, that escalated quickly. Does anyone have some background on this? It looks ridiculous as is. Oktoberstorm (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Totally agree, I noticed a lot of recitals in 1996 (Chopin Scherzi) and his Granados from 1998 - simply superb. By the way later there were a lot of withdrawn concerts and in March 2004 German newspapers reported that he cancelled all concerts for  health reasons for ongoing and the upcoming season.PaulasBunt (talk) 12:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage 

message: The article (under Personal Life) reports his practicing "biodynamic" exercises used by Russian ballet dancers since the 1920's, with a link leading nowhere useful. Difficult to find independent confirmation of this. Might it actually be the biomechanics practiced in Russian theater (Meyerhold)? 
Duffiwuffi (talk) 04:51, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Biodynamic exercises? 

message: This article  by Peter Donohoe documented how much negative criticism Pogorelić received throughout his career and focused on how his rise to stardom was thanks to "pop-style publicity based on his eccentricities" but also recognized his "superb qualities"
:A senior editor said that the source is not noteworthy to be included; I disagree and think it should be used, at least with cautious wording
What do you guys think?Jmouritz127 (talk) 11:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It is Lebrecht's blog and he exercises sole discretion as to what's published and he has no credible history of editorial policy that would justify his selection as to what or whose views to promote. Indeed, quite the opposite and recall his attack on Grigory Sokolov. And disparaging BLP content from a random pianist who may be competing with Pogorelich for engagements is not a valid source. See WP:BLP. SPECIFICO talk 13:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, sure. The following BLP pages also use "Slipped Disc" in its sources: Itzhak Perlman, Elizabeth de la Porte, Friedemann Layer; should they be removed as well?Jmouritz127 (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Irrelevant. Out of context, I have no idea why or how they use it. Feel free to remove them if they are disparaging and used to cherrypick a negative essay by a random commentator. SPECIFICO talk 15:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

text:  As explained in the section below, I don't understand how you interpreted my phrasing as disparaging. Donohoe RECOGNIZED Pogorelich's "superb qualities" and NOTED a series of "humiliating attacks" from critics throughout Pogolevich's career and that his rise to stardom was thanks to the "pop-style marketing". In other words, Donohoe said that Pogorelich was the victim of his marketing based on eccentricities, as this marketing irked critics, resulting in series of somewhat unfair discrediting from musical experts throughout his career. It actually would bring in something positive to balance out the negative criticism.Jmouritz127 (talk) 18:38, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Donohoe, Lebrecht BLP

message: Sources, especially the more in-depth discussions in them, seem to favor mentioning Argerich's unique stature in the 1980 competition as a former Chopin Competition winner (who by that time had established a major international career.) See, e.g  and 
 I see that you reverted my addition of this context to the mention of Argerich's resignation from the competition jury. I think this adds context to the general reader who may not be aware of Argerich's stature within the community related to this competition and the significance of her resignation.  I suggest that this be restored to the text. SPECIFICO talk 17:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read the sources? It's quite clear that the impact of her resignation and the cause celebre had to do with her unique standing both in her career and her association with the Chopin Competition as one of its most illustrious winners. Sources note that the others who either resigned or opposed Pogorelic's approach did not have the same impact -- even though they too were distinguished pianists with international careers and reputations. SPECIFICO talk 23:48, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Argerich's resignation was particularly notable not because she won the competition herself 15 years prior, but because of her artistic standing. The latter should be highlighted, not the former. intforce (talk) 16:00, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I agree. I initially put "esteemed" in front of her name, but an editor quickly reverted it, so I tried the alternative that's mentioned in the sociology source. Any wording you add to convey her stature would be appreciated. SPECIFICO talk 16:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay sure you can put "esteemed" or "renowned". I still think it is unnecessary, as Kentner and List are also widely respected but whatever.Jmouritz127 (talk) 00:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention Argerich as 1965 Chopin winner?