Talk:List of characters in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas/Archive 1

message: I didn't notice there was another when I uploaded this one -
But I did, so which one do you think is better? Jim Bonzo O'hara
And now this one -
Which I believe to be worse than the other one.
For crying out loud, why didn't you just add your pics if you had them?? Jim Bonzo O'hara
:On your Dwaine and Jethro image, it has potential, but it's too blurry and too small to make up some of the characters' facial features. If you could save the image in a better quality jpeg file and print-screen the shot in a higher game resolution, it has a chance to replace mine. I do have an almost exact image here, but it looks to be too wide for the article. Even if my image were to be splited into two images for each of the two characters, it may be a little too much as they are simply minor characters. 
:On the Cesar image, given some of the characters were explained so briefly, placing all uploaded screenshots at once into the article would had saturated the page with too many images; believe me, I've tried. For now, I'm opting to place images one by one as more info is written into the article, rather than just a few short sentences on common knowledge. It would help if others would like to provide more additions. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding 21:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: An alternate pic

message: Su Xi Mu isn't mentioned. remember? he is woozie's assistant. he should at least get a mention in the minor characters section. --TBH 11:57, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to put him in. I couldn't write anything about him because I missed most of the cutscenes featuring him and wasn't able to confirm his entry posted in the external link. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding 18:19, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Su Xi Mu 

message: Something I think should be changed is the sections on CJ and Sweet. I'm not sure about this, but they probably weren't "co-founders" of the GSF. Correct me if I'm wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.12.164.23 (talk • contribs) .
:Sweet and CJ have not been proven to be co-founders of the Grove Street Families, as there has not been anything in the game's dialog or other San Andreas media to prove as such. Repeated attempts to reenter such unverifiable information without any explanation or discussions will be taken as vandalism and will be reverted. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 15:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sweet and CJ are not proven GSF co-founders 

message: There is no official source on their birthday. Also, given the nature of the recent edits flip-flopping between dates, I can conclude that the edits are fan-fic, which I will undoubtfully revert. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 01:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...their birthdays are not proven either 

message: CJ and Sweet are co-founders of the Grove Street Families. 2 reasons: 1.) They're brothers, and 2.) How can one brother be the leader of a gang and the other brother be a member of that same gang? It don't make no kind of sense whatsoever. So, there is my evidence. CJ and Sweet are co-founders of the GSF.—Preceding unsigned comment added by King Gemini (talk • contribs) 
:A rather weak argument, and OR even. Regardless of family ties, relatives still agree or disagree, and in this case, there is also the possibility of CJ, Sweet, Brian or Beverly at odds in affairs, including forming and running a gang. I want official confirmation from the game or R* to be convinced that they are co-founders. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a stupid argument. Why does the gang have to be started whilst thy are alive. It could've been started by anyone on the street, or indeed the area before they were even born. So you have provided no evidence. Either this is rectified or I am removing the text which says otherwise in the article Dankru 07:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just asking, is this message directed to me? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 10:13, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The question was directed to King Gemini. Apologies, as it isn't crystal clear, although it is more of a rhetorical question. Dankru 00:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CJ and Sweet are proven co-founders of the GSF 

message: In my opinion, Maccer should be in the major characters list if Kent Paul is there. Maybe even the other way around with Paul in the minor characters list. Both of them have the same significance to the storyline, introducing CJ to Ken Rosenberg. Ctaduran 17:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Paul and Maccer

message: "Jizzy's name may also be a spoof to Bhangra artist Jazzy B."
I think it's silly that a San Andreas pimp (an icon of American culture) could be construed as any kind of reference to an Indian DJ.  There are other parts of this section that read like "Jizzy B is a pimp.  X is another reference to pimp culture contemporary to the time the game was created.  Therefore Jizzy B refers to X."  This seems like wishful speculation. 
I think there is some New Jack City influence in GTA:SA, but Nino Brown was a gangster, not a pimp.  Rick James was a disco singer, so the fact that Rick James is playing in the club when CJ meets Jizzy is perfectly reasonable.  Dave Chappelle portrayed Rick James, spoofing the same era that the GTA team is spoofing.  It doesn't necessarily mean that they're paying homage to Chappelle.  140.247.29.121 11:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jizzy B = Jazzy B? 

message: hey, anyone else think there may be a connected between Ryder (some of whose missions are based around vans) & Ryder, a British vehicle hire company? a sort of in joke parhaps? Shas'o sodit 20:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryder 

message: another thing that should be added, Woozie may have his sight, as he can be clearly seen picking up his playing card and looking at its number underneath. This implies that Woozie can see, but he may be very short sighted. (if SA gets a stories game, i can see this being further explained Shas'o sodit 10:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't mean he can see the card, remember, he had 47.200.112.160.47 02:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wu Zi Mu ("Woozie") 

message: In the "Green Sabre" mission when CJ saw Big Smoke and Ryder with CRASH and the Ballas, I was wondering why CJ was only talking about Smoke, saying "It's Smoke. And he in deep with Tenpenny and some Ballas. He sold us out." Ryder was in on it too.
I wondered that too myself. Also in the mission where Carl and Ceasar take pictures of the Loco Syndicate members Carl seemed a little surprised to see Ryder. I guess Carl was so shocked at seeing Smoke he could have just ignored Ryder(possibly because the two might have had a better and longer friendship). Leegar84 22:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First off, this isn't a forum; don't simply "chat" about the article subject. Unless you're thinking of doing something for the betterment of the article, discuss subjects more relevant to the state of the article. And to answer your question, I wouldn't even pay too much attention to that, for the only reason why CJ reacted in such a way is probably because he didn't expect Smoke to do something so frivilous.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 01:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

text: In terms of the issue, it seems possible, if not plausible, that the authors of the story had intended to keep Ryder's betrayal from the player until "Photo Opportunity" but changed their minds because it would be confusing to players to lose contact with Ryder in between the Los Santos missions and "Photo Opportunity".  In terms of the article, I don't think there's much we could say about the matter because of WP:NOR unless a reliable source discusses it in these terms.  Croctotheface 01:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoke & Ryder's betrayal 

message: When I get a chance (or if someone else wants to do it), I'm going to go through and change phrases such as "Such-and-such is an obvious spoof of..." to more neutral phrasing that merely points out a similarity.  In cases where the similarity is dubious, I'll either delete it or add/leave a citation tag. Croctotheface 06:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  non-neutral phrasing 

message: I don't know how I can report it to the Wiki moderators, but this site has clearly and extensively been vandalized.
:Note: The vandalism all originate from a single anon user. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 09:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I don't think that's true, his first name isn't mentioned neither in the game nor on his "website". LITIS 16:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vandalism. The anon user(s) who made these changes (217.230.90.145 and 217.230.123.189) have a record of adding similar nonsense in Lemming, as well as defacing Saw III and adding soapbox comments in Christian Coalition. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 17:02, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maccer's real name is Claudius? 

message: Judging by his actions in the game, we are not sure that Torino is a government agent, he could have his own agenda, be a cultist.
LITIS 16:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he states it, at an early point in his entrance into the story. There is nothing in the game that could support him being a "cultist" or that he could have his own agenda, outside being a corrupt government agent.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Torino 

message: There are 2 minor characters, who are not yet listed. There are 2 guys wearing blue clothes, who are showing up on various mission szenes. For example: in Woozie´s house in San Fierro, in the mission, when Madd dog tries to kill himself and in the room when Cj is planning the Casino robbery( that is when he says something like:" but please fuck off!"
:I'm pretty sure their names aren't disclosed, so they are rather insignificant.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:29, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  2 minor characters 

message: U can actually get the Mad Dogg Albums, can u???? There are just posters right? I wanna know if he is real or just a character, hes palyed by Ice-T are there any songs from the game w/ Ice-T where he palys Mad Dogg? RealG187 17:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Who told you that?  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §  Contributions ♣ 23:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Madd Dogg 

message: I'm not convinced that he's lacing blunts with PCP and not just cigars.  Admittedly, I'm not an expert on the subject of drugs, but I don't think there are any in game references to him smoking weed.  Is it just implied that if he's doing PCP, it's with marijuana? Croctotheface 05:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In the "drug community," its common to lace marijuana with PCP. Not too many people lace plain cigars with PCP; it would be, in a sense, considered "smarter," if not more common, to smoke it on its own, in its crystalline form.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit me  §  Contributions ♣ 06:26, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryder--does he even smoke marijuana? 

message: It say's here that the Denise who calls the Electron Zone in LCS is Denise Robinson, but she only gets refered to by her first name.  I can find no evidence that it is actually her.  Does anyone know different?  If not, it should be removed. Dbam 18:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's interesting that you brought that up; due to my limited knowledge of LCS, I thought that her full name was given and that her voice was very similar to Robinson's in SA. Someone needs to verify this, because I'm assuming good faith that someone did this with some sort of support.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 19:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Me too.  It should probably be removed in the meantime and restored only if we get a source. Croctotheface 21:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, i've removed it. Dbam 19:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denise Robinson in LCS? 

message: Is Dis Shit true about the birth dates dat someone put on CJ and themNext Fiday 17:15, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth Date's

message: </small>I'm not sure I'm no board with having the OR tag at this article.  It's certainly the case that articles like these will depend a bit more on primary sources than we'd like, but there's a pretty strong precedent for having these kinds of articles despite spotty sourcing.  I'm not sure that the article would be improved by having a note at the end of every other sentence pointing readers to the game's script. Croctotheface 09:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I hate when people do that. If anything, an unreferenced tag should be used.  ♣ Klptyzm  Chat wit' me  §  Contributions ♣ 15:18, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR Tag? 

message: Do we know this for sure?  I don't think it's Todd Crawford.  Croctotheface 16:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of a name for Madd Dogg's manager and I removed references to it earlier. If his name is Todd Crawford, then it should be referenced. A-Dust 21:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Madd Dogg's manager? 

message: I added the spoiler tag earlier on today because I scrolled down the list to see what Tenpenny's first name was and accidentally read when he's killed in the game! >.< Why does this article not require a spoiler tag? Sean 02:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a discussion at WP:SPOILER, and the consensus established was that readers should expect articles or sections on fictional characters to reveal major plot elements and therefore that the tag is redundant. Croctotheface 07:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Tag 

message: I don't know offhand what the game says, but it's certainly possible for a person to be a native of Town X despite originally hailing from Town Y.  It would involve moving. Croctotheface 21:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manchester native 

message: Why did Hernandez have to be killed in the first place when he was a good guy? {GaryUser 19:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is NOT a forum! - .:Alex:. 20:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Officer Jimmy Hernandez 

message: Shouldn't he be under Minor characters or whatever. he only in like what 1 or 2 missions?
:Yes but Salvatore appeared as the boss of two missions and was featured as a main character in the game. Salvatore was also featured as a main character in GTA III, which may come into account here. A-Dust 20:13, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Salvatore leone?

message: Erm, why are the images in this article candidates for speedy deletion? I'd think it falls under fair use.. Th 2005 08:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speedy Deletion

message: I haven't seen anything in the introduction about Hernandez shooting Pendlebury, or Pulaski calling Tenpenny "pal" or T-Bone beating up an accused snitch. Is this part of a special version or something, because I'm apparently missing something. Please help!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.255.40.33 (talk) 05:37, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Introduction" is a film that was included with the soundtrack.  It was designed to preview the storyline, and it actually gives quite a few details away.  It's probably on Youtube, though I don't know for sure. Croctotheface 06:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction questions 

message: Does anyone what does it mean? Also, is it part of a gang name? Professional Gamer 20:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Community Resources Against Street Hoodlums --Croctotheface 20:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Professional Gamer 17:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  C.R.A.S.H. 

message: Even Woozie may be blind, I noticed that he has very good hearings and he can respond to sound whenever he hears gunshots. Professional Gamer 16:27, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Woozie 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:GTASA Ryder.jpg

message: I don't think Tommy Vercetti should be listed here. He makes no appearance at all, and is only mentioned in 'The Introduction'. He doesn't really have influence on the story. Larrylarp (talk) 23:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutely right, I've removed it. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tommy Vercetti? 

message: i hope you guys know that madd doggs managers name is Heffy it was revealed in the mission you kill him  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcanmoocanu (talk • contribs) 03:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the name of Madd Doggs manager is Scipio. No one mentions 'Heffy' in the cutscene "Management Business" nor in any point of the mission. Larrylarp (talk) 12:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heffy