Talk:African-American music

message: This page must be deleted because the writer doesn't understand the difference between culture, race and racial prejudice. The reason the word culture does not relate to race is because there would have to be someone to dictate to their race what their culture is or is not without the opinion of the entire race(eliminating individuality); in other words if someone of a certain race created a genre of music and even though everyone of the same race (of the person that started the genre) hated this genre they would still be associated by this genre racially.
This is a form of racial segregation as well, which is racism and will not be tolerated on the Wikipedia.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark667 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am an experienced Wikipedian. I've been editing since 2007. Actively since 2016. I am also an expert in Black music studies as a professor. The diatribe above from 2010 suggesting the article be deleted is unfounded. First, when a Chinese person makes matzah ball soup, Jewish cuisine, the soup does not become Chinese food. When non-Black people participate in Black music, it doesn't make the music non-Black. It's still African American music. Don't get it twisted. Don't let the identity politics of white conservatism deny the reality of Black and African American music culture.  169.226.138.220 (talk) 23:55, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: This Page Must Be Deleted

message: Anybody who is interested in this article may also be interested in the discussion at Talk:Country music#"Negro spirituals". Tuf-Kat 20:37, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, it seems like you want to let slip the dogs of war on your side.  It is proof that you are Afrocentric, by coming here for POV support in numbers.  I am watching your every move!  ScapegoatVandal 14:04, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is exactly what I had predicted.  You do have the POV button on firm pressure.  ScapegoatVandal 14:32, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk:Country music#Negro spirituals

message: I think this article could use some info about the overwhelming influence of black music on contemporary popular music. Whatever you hear on the radio would NEVER have happened without the blues!
:This article's not exactly in great shape, but that's pretty much what it is about, AFAICT.  It needs expansion on folk music and dance, theater, classical music (needs expansion everywhere really, but those topics are worse off right now). Tuf-Kat 22:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Contemporary popular music

message: "The end of the 20th century and the dawn of the new millenum brought us some of the most mundane and uninspired African American music."
That statement is incredibly opinionated. It should be taken out.
Are there links to these two sources? 
1. Dixon, RMW & Godrich, J (1981), Blues and Gospel Records: 1902–1943, Storyville, London.
2. Hamilton, Marybeth: In Search of the Blues.
Gusagyemang (talk) 01:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  small problem 

message: "African American genres are the most important ethnic vernacular tradition in America as they have developed independent of African traditions from which they arise more so than any other immigrant groups, including Europeans; make up the broadest and longest lasting range of styles in America; and have, historically, been more influential, interculturally, geographically, and economically, than other American vernacular traditions"
I personally agree with a good deal of this sentiment, but I find it lacks any citation, and even if citation were present, is completely subjective in nature.  In addition, stylistically I find it unclear and overly punctuated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.125.204 (talk) 23:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is the basis for this? 

message: Yes to merge Decoratrix 13:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: How come Jimi Hendrix, one of the greatest musicians ever, isn't even named on the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.17.126.112 (talk) 23:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimi Hendrix 

message: Why does Afro-Caribbean music redirect here? There's not really anything in this article about it. Anchoress · Weigh Anchor · Catacomb 07:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Afro-Caribbean music? 

message: The first section on historic traits is really just a list. It seems to me it would be better to start with something that incorporated this information into a small section of prose, perhaps actually mentioning Africa and its part in creating the forms of African American music before the Civil War. If there are no serious objections and no one gets their first I will come back and do this after fair time for comment.--Sabrebd (talk) 08:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Abrupt start?

message: nt.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.127.115.113 (talk) 07:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I totally agree, I came on the talk page to flag up the exact same thing.  Not sure how best to work it into the text of the article though. 84.92.8.221 (talk) 14:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Diana Ross and Marvin Gaye are mentioned in the section on Mid-20th century (1940s-1960s), but I also agree that the references should be expanded - probably best by expanding those paras, but remembering also that there needs to be a proper balance with other labels (Atlantic, Stax, etc.) and their artistes.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Incomplete without a mention of Motown

message: Ran across this article via Google Books while researching The Harmonizing Four and thought I'd highlight it for others.
* "Black Music" (cover story), Black World/Negro Digest, November 1973. 
While I realize it's hardly going to be comprehensive -- if nothing else, it's nearly 40 years old -- it makes an intriguing resource to which to point the user. Lawikitejana (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A published article worth possibly using as a resource 

message: Why isn't Grace Jones even mentioned?
79.191.164.91 (talk) 08:40, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grace Jones? 

message: There is currently a discussion on the use (or none use) of hyphens and dashes covered by an Arbcom moratorium but when this is resolved there needs to be a discussion concerning the use of anything but a space between African and American. There are several cases where a hyphen has been used such as African-American literature and others that are not correct. Otr500 (talk) 14:52, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title name 

message: The introduction is very unclear, and needs to be cleaned up.Vanishingcattle (talk) 05:34, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: The phrase "involuntary servitude" in the introduction seems to be rather euphemistic and complicated. Why isn't the simpler word "slavery" being used?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by  128.40.99.32  (talk • contribs) 16:00, 26 April 2013‎
:Agreed.  Now changed.  WP:EUPHEMISM applies.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:38, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Involuntary Servitude" 

message: At the British Black Music Editathon, we thought that Black Music should redirect to Music of the African diaspora. Leutha (talk) 16:12, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I just fixed it (it should have redirected to Black music), but I wouldn't object to both of those pages redirecting to Music of the African diaspora. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:36, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Black Music Redirect

message: This section is needed? I don't feel qualified to make it myself but I'd discuss Beyonce some more. And Rihanna, KANYE WEST, Esperanza Spalding. Also I don't get the line about 'urban' being race-neutral. Shiningroad (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting. Someone remarked upon how urban is not race-neutral on here in 2010. Anyone there?? Shiningroad (talk) 10:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  2010s music 

message: Any article trying to cover such a vast scope as this one does, should be converted to Summary style.  There are already numerous articles about African-American music that would constitute the subtopics, or child articles.  This article would then contain brief summaries of the individual subtopics, with each section header having a  article template pointing to the fuller treatment in the independent child article.  See WP:SUMMARY.  For an example of an article written in Summary style, see History of music. Mathglot (talk) 23:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Convert to Summary style 

message: The article should have more information and be updated no one from this decade is mentioned even though there is multiple people who should be incorporated into this article. Kylemalik20 (talk) 05:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Info 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:African-American gospel which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 23:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Shouldn't there be a new section that will describe how the African-American music influenced the music scenes outside the USA, including the British musicians that later led the British Invasion into America, as well as the South Korean pop scene which later began conquering across Asia and the Western world? JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 18:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influences worldwide 

message: — Assignment last updated by JTWikiEdu (talk) 00:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Contemporary Black Popular Culture

message: — Assignment last updated by Herbertsburner (talk) 23:14, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209

message: Greetings to my Peoples,
I am in the process of having an Article published about an African American Composer, Dr. Earl Louis Stewart. He is the author of three books on the AA music genre going back to the end of the civil war era (ragtime), up to the era of jazz, a century post the aforementioned beginnings of African American music (and arguably, the foundation of all forms of American music (ragtime)). His book, "African American Music: An Introduction," has been quoted as a source of historical context on this very page, among others. 
There have been articles written about him and interviews going as far back as the early eighties, both domestically and internationally. Though he hasn't had a significant amount of media attention in the past two decades (because of his illness), he is, nonetheless, still composing a monumental body of work, now being recognized internationally within the classical-awards paradigm. This is a significant accomplishment, because his work has been considered to "not be" classical by the gatekeepers of the genre (because there was noticeable blackness within the compositions); however, they can no longer deny his genius. 
I have cited all content used within the article; however more, my article was denied because of  "a lack of notable coverage."
He is well known in Ghana-- I am in the process of searching for articles from when he was there--having had extensive coverage, orchestrating and conducting performances for the Heads of State, among other dignitaries, in the Ghana National Symphony Orchestra. 
Additionally, he is a Professor Emeritus of Black Studies, University of California Santa Barbara, and he has written over two-dozen scholarly articles on the subject of African American music. Dr. Stewart has composed over three-hundred music compositions over the course of his career. He is effortlessly discoverable with just a search of his name. Also, you will find the orchestral performances of his music, in addition to his body of work on his website, among other sites and, you can listen to his performances, including a studio recorded album, available on all streaming platforms and, YouTube for an unobstructed review. 
Next year on Juneteenth, June 2024, there will be an orchestral performance of his composition, Juneteenth, at the UCLA Herbert Albert symphony hall. Dr. Stewart's composition, "Juneteenth," will be a historical event, with notable attendees of the black community and others, considering that this will be the first, if not only, classical jazz composition, representing the entire history of Juneteenth. It will be performed by an orchestra of sixty plus instrumentalist. 
Please visit his website (earllouisstewart.com) to discover his beginnings, and career, to have a full understanding of why it is so important for the black community to demand recognition, for what will be discovered as a treasure for the history of African American music.  
Please understand the significance of composing a quadruple jazz fugue. That feat is only accomplished by some of the greatest composers (quadruple fugue that is), including Johann Sebastian Bach. Furthermore, his style is African-rhythmic counterpoint with European-classical pitch counterpoint. I am trying to tell y'all!
Please help me with the publishing of his article; if you so, find my endeavors to be a significant contribution to the African American genre of music, which is undeniably the center of the plexus for most music throughout the world. If you decide to join me on this journey, excellent and, please reach out to me; and if you are on the fence, then perhaps a quick search of Joseph Bologne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges will give further insight into how the African diaspora's music will and has, be or been, claimed by those external to the diaspora; you know what I am trying to say. 
This is the first Wikipedia article that I have written, my question is, how can I share the draft page (Draft: Earl Louis Stewart) with you? 
Many thanks for your attention regarding this matter.
Peace Daddy4Nola2017 (talk) 18:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under Represented African American Composers 

message: — Assignment last updated by 752Sunvoices! (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music