Talk:Liverpool City Region

message: Like Greater Liverpool, I'm a little bit concerned that this article is based not on a reliable source, but personal perspective. Can anybody out there do a quick attribution of sources please? Otherwise, I'm tempted to prod this article for deletion on grounds of WP:CITE. --Jza84 |  Talk   01:49, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Liverpool City Region redirects to Greater Merseyside, as far as I know this 'region' of Merseyside & Halton is called the City Region not Greater Merseyside, there are sources for this. It would be better to rename this page as Liverpool City Region and alter some of the text on this page. The Manchester City Region page is an example and it is much more direct. I would personally have the city region as the lead page for this article with perhaps a sub section on Greater Merseyside(the official term/Origins) and Greater Liverpool (the unofficial term) which does have some merits. But that is my personal opinionDmcm2008 (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: I also favour the renaming of this as Liverpool City Region - compatibility with Manchester City Region is relevant here I think.  Some of the information clearly requires better sourcing, but not deletion.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

text: OK, I've just done a speedy cleanup and title-rename per both your points. I hope it's satisfactory. Feel free to ammend as appropriate. :) --Jza84 |  Talk   10:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concern 

message: I'm resinstating the Greater Merseyside text. Greater Merseyside is defined by the LSC and also acknowledge by Halton Council. The Liverpool CIty region is far less well defined and the article lacks references.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Reinstating

message: The Greater Merseyside article seems to duplicate alot of information in this article and seems to be about the exact same subject. Eopsid (talk) 12:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: They are used by different groups to represent different areas. Liverpool CIty reagion does not include WIrral as for as the ONS is concerned.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 22:11, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be confusing the Liverpool CIty reagion with the Liverpool Urban Area the city region does include Wirral as the map on this article clearly indicates. Eopsid (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger Proposal

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message: This is laid out in this official document:
http://www.4nw.org.uk/downloads/documents/oct_08/nwra_1224233363_Final_adopted_RSS_300908_Liver.pdf
The North West of England Plan Regional Spatial Strategy to 2021.
The area covered is the same as Merseyside as laid out in the Redcliffe–Maud Report, which includes:  The city of Liverpool, Knowsley, St Helens, Sefton, Wirral, West Lancashire, Halton, Ellesmere Port and Neston, Chester and a part of Vale Royal. As an aside, the 1970 Tory government slashed the area of Merseyside to the small area we have today. The Liverpool City Region is now a defacto Merseyside showing that the Redcliffe–Maud Report got it right.
In the current article the first link does not work. I inserted the official document link and someone reverted it back to the link that does not work because a population figure was not mentioned. Really?  Also the map in the article is now out of date and should be removed.  The map of the Liverpool City Region is in the official document I linked to.
ONS Official Labour Market Statistics available at Nomisweb.co.uk gives the Liverpool City Region a 2.3 million population. This is backed up by Lord Hesseltines document, Liverpool City Region - Building on its Strengths:  An independent report.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/32080/11-1338-rebalancing-britain-liverpool-city-region.pdf
I am changing the article to reflect new current documents. 188.222.101.49 (talk) 13:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that the term "Liverpool City Region" has various alternative definitions, and you are attempting to impose one single definition on the whole article without adequate explanation.  The RSS - which, incidentally, was revoked in 2010 and so is not a current or official document - has a highly fudged wording.  "For the purposes of articulating RSS policy" it "is defined as the City of Liverpool and local authority districts of Halton, Knowsley, Sefton, St Helens, Wirral" - but at the same time "extends as far as Chester, Ellesmere Port and Neston, Vale Royal and West Lancashire."   The Heseltine report does indeed give a figure of 2.3 million for "an urban region centred on Liverpool that spreads from Wrexham and Flintshire to Chester, Warrington, West Lancashire and across to Southport."  But, the proposed Merseyside combined authority, for example - which much of the article discusses - covers a much smaller area, the authorities of Liverpool, Halton, Knowsley, Sefton, St Helens and Wirral.  So, I've reworded the introduction to clarify that various definitions exist, and show different populations.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
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message: Just to cover the current articles (generally) for Liverpool / Merseyside that would need to be considered if we do merge LCRCA & LCR, as there's a mess going on at the moment where some things are "part of", or "in" depending on if the subject is viewed as an Authority, or a Geographic Region.
*Liverpool - Borough & City
*Liverpool City Council - Borough & City Authority
*Merseyside - Ceremonial county
*Liverpool City Region Combined Authority - officially Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, Sefton and Wirral Combined Authority
*Mayor of the Liverpool City Region - officially Mayor of Halton, Knowsley, Liverpool, St Helens, Sefton and Wirral Combined Authority
*Liverpool City Region - a branding used by the LCRCA, LEP and a few other entities wholly or partly part of the LCRCA
*Liverpool Built-up Area (Greater Liverpool redirects here) - ONS category that doesn't work anymore as analogous to the LCR / Merseyside etc. BUA used to be made of BUASD (Sub Divisions), but these have been omitted in the most recent ONS, leaving only BUA. There's no authoritative Metro (last calculated by ESPON based on 2001 census) or Urban area (last calculated by ONS in 2011) and the BUA is little more than the original BUASD of Liverpool+Huyton&Roby at 506,565. Complexity of this is covered at least partly in main Liverpool article
*Merseytravel part of the LCRCA
Categories of interest:
*Category:Combined authorities - most combined authorities are just part of the CA, Leeds and Liverpool have been created as their own City Region subcategory, inside which exists the Combined Authority category. This seems back to front. LCRCA should be the subcat. I don't want to generalise about Leeds City Region here, as its relationship predates the CA, and has traditionally different areas included / excluded - but would still suggest there is some confusion.
*Category:Combined authorities and combined county authorities - part of such confusion is the creation of another cat seemingly covering very similar ground.
*Category:Liverpool City Region - because of the misprioritising of categories this leads to a strange thing where both Borough and Council articles are both part of the LCR, rather than (if this was done correctly per how this page appears to be set up) the LCRCA would have the council articles and the LCR, and the LCR would have the Borough articles. Also Merseytravel for instance should definitely be LCRCA > LCR. Basically, category is a mess.
*Category:Merseyside - nice clean category for comparison
Template of interest:
*Template:Combined_authorities_and_combined_county_authorities - correctly points at the CA's in each case
Dissolved:
*Merseyside County Council - distinct council entity
*Merseyside Passenger Transport Authority which became
*Merseyside Integrated Transport Authority now Merseytravel Committee part of LCRCA
*Merseyside Development Corporation precursor to Liverpool City Region Local enterprise partnership
*Merseytram - never took off
I may try tidying up some of the Categories and such because I can see some issues with Prescot and others causing issues at the moment. Koncorde (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's worth noting that for each Combined Authority in this list: Combined_authorities_and_combined_county_authorities#Current_combined_authorities_and_combined_county_authorities there is an article about the respective Combined Authority Area, e.g. East Midlands Combined County Authority & East Midlands, West of England Combined Authority & West of England - I think the West of England one is a good example, because like the LCR it only really exists in relation to its Combined Authority. Orange sticker (talk) 08:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect some of the City Region articles were created before the LCRCA were created, and so never merged (or never existed in the case of things like "West of England"). Koncorde (talk) 20:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Brief Summary of Liverpool "area" articles