Talk:Influences on the Spanish language

message: The sections on modern and recent borrowings are stubs, and marked as such. I started the article mostly to give a background about the formative influences and the early borrowings from Native American languages, but the article would be awfully lacking if it didn't include the myriad borrowings from French, and later from English, especially the recent ones.
The idea is NOT having a list of borrowings, repeat, NOT A LIST, but an overview with some examples, focused on general influences (for example, "English has loaned many words pertaining to the field of computers"). Opinions of the RAE should be tucked in there (somewhere), as well as Spanglish (focused on the Span- part, not the -glish part).
--Pablo D. Flores 12:39, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Expansion request

message: I found a couple of words and checked them with the RAE, please extend the list.
*French:
:casete (cassette), boîte, Burdel (fr:bordel, ca:bordell)
*Italian:
:Bocha (boccia)
*English:
:Fútbol (football), voleibol (voleyball), básquet (basketball), escáner
===Influences from Native American languages===
I am not 100% sure, but I believe that the repetition of syllables for adding degrees of magnitude is derived from Nahuatl grammar. Example; in Nahuatl, "Choca" means to cry, Chochoca means to cry profusely.  "Chiquito" in spanish means "Smal", but "Chiquitito" means very small, while "Chiquititito" means even smaller still.  Can someone confirm this and include? Pozole 15:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I have no idea what chochoca means, but I can tell you that chiquitito has nothing to do with Nahuatl, and that the concatenation of augmentatives and diminutives are just that. Mariano(t/c) 15:40, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern influence 

message: I am not 100% sure, but I believe that the repetition of syllables for adding degrees of magnitude is derived from Nahuatl grammar. Example; in Nahuatl, "Choca" means to cry, Chochoca means to cry profusely.  "Chiquito" in spanish means "Smal", but "Chiquitito" means very small, while "Chiquititito" means even smaller still.  Can someone confirm this and include? Pozole 15:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Man, I have no idea what chochoca means, but I can tell you that chiquitito has nothing to do with Nahuatl, and that the concatenation of augmentatives and diminutives are just that. Mariano(t/c) 15:40, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Influences from Native American languages

message: *Please point it out if I missed it while perusing the sources provided, but what is the source for saying there are 5,000 Spanish words of Arabic origin?  Every source I've read has never been this high, and the List of Spanish words of Arabic origin is certainly much lower.  Many of the words listed at the about.com source are not even ultimatly from Arabic (paraiso comes to mind).--Hraefen 16:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 5,000 Arabic words?

message: Spanish has 10% words from greek, and greek is not even mentioned here. It is needed to talk about the greek influence.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.144.130.21 (talk) 05:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is missing thw greek influence 

message: This statement is blatantly untrue as well as poorly sourced... (wiktionary most commonly dubbed words on movies?) 
Its a waste of my time for me to disprove this as a native spanish speaker. But, to avoid further argument, here is a list of ONLY very frequently used words in Spanish of Arabic origin which I would expect a second-language speaker with a reasonable command of the languahe to know and hear regularly:
aceite, aceituna, acelga, acicalar, achacar, ademán, adoquín, aduana, afán, ahorrar, ajedrez, alacrán, alardear, albahaca, albañil, albaricoque, albóndiga, albornoz, alboroto, alcachofa, alcaide, alcalde, alcantarilla, alcaparra, alcatraz, alcoba, alcohol, aldea, alféizar, alfil, alfombra, algodón, alhaja, alicate, almacén, almanaque, almizcle, almohada, almuerzo, alpargata, alquilar/alquiler, alquitrán, alubia, argolla, arrabal, arrecife, arroz, asesino, ataúd, atún, auge, avería, azabache, azafata, azafrán, azar, azote, azotea, azucar, azul, azulejo, babucha, balde, badén, barrio, bata, bazar, bellota, berenjena, bujía, café, calabaza, caravana, carcajada, carmesí, cazurro, cenit, cerbatana, cero, chaleco,chisme, dado, daga, droga, enchufar, escaquearse, espinaca, fanfarrón, fideo, fulano, gandul, gañan, garra, gazpacho, hasta, hazaña, he, holgazán, jaqueca, jarabe, jazmín, jinete, jirafa, joroba, laca, lima, limón, loco, macabro, mamarracho, marfil, marrano, máscara, matarife, matraca, mazapán, mazmorra, mazorca, mengano, mequetrefe, mezquino, naipe, naranja, nenúfar, noria, nuca, ojalá, olé, papagayo, rehén, rincón, sandía , taza, toronja, zanahoria, zarandear, zumo.        
Of course, there are many other words which are used frequently, just a selection, well over 100!. 
G  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.150.179.160 (talk) 00:57, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deleted section which says that less than 100 word of arabic origin are frequently used today 

message: Mention of Umbrian influence in the intro section??? No mention of basque lexical influence (izquierda for example?), no mention of Greek or explanation of Latin basis of language, illogical listing order (should be either based on importance or chronological...
Lots of work needed here by someone who knows about the topic....  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.122.231.112 (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs revamp 

message: I think, the word Pistole in German came from Slavic languages. See for example in article Deutsche Sprache (Einflüsse anderer Sprachen auf die deutsche Sprache): Auch aus den slawischen Sprachen (beispielsweise Grenze, Gurke, Pistole).... Perhaps, we should specify a primary origin? Alexander Hoffmann (talk) 02:35, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pistola from German Pistole. 

message: On another topic that a mention in the above discussion brought to my mind, couldn't this page be usefully merged with History of Spanish? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: More discussion is at Talk:History of Spanish#Merger proposal. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger? 

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thread_title:  Copyright problem removed 

message: The above Spanish words are definitely from the German, with only a slight change of Romaniztaion.  They mean "Brother (o)", and "Sister (a)"  They need to be included in the section of Germanic influences.
Changarose46ers (talk) 18:34, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A statement like this needs to be supported by reference to an authoritative source, and I doubt you will find a source more authoritative than the Dictionary of the Spanish Royal Academy or the etymological dictionaries of Joan Corominas, all of which derive "hermano" from the Latin source "[frater] germanus". "Germanus", although it is cognate with the English word "German", is originally a Latin word, not a German word. Kotabatubara (talk) 18:58, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Hermano/a" 

message: Just to say that according to "Nueva Enciclopedia Autodidáctica Quillet, 15th Edition, Editorial Cumbre S.A., Mexico, 1979, Volume I, Page 14", 60% of Spanish vocabulary come from Latin, 10% from Greek, 10% from Gothic, 10% from Oriental and Arabic and 10% from other languages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.57.124.107 (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: 10% from Gothic seems like an awful lot. Is it really that much? Also, the vocabulary may be like that but not all words are used as much, so the real percentage of words used by people is much different. I think Latin may account for well over 90% of all words used, because it includes very frequently used words. CodeCat (talk) 20:51, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the 10% from Gothic is enough to dismiss the source altogether. Jotamar (talk) 16:39, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Influence of Gothic