Talk:Reise, Reise

message: - a note on the commentary for Ohne Dich, note that the song says "lohnen nicht...ohne dich" - I have always interpreted that as "They mean nothing, without you" instead of the current explanation
:I disagree.  The lines "Mit dir bin Ich auch allein" and "Mit dir stehen die Sekunden" allude to the idea that the singer can be near the subject but still 'disconnected' (dead, cold shoulder, whatever).  So the singer's saying that being "Mir dir" doesn't help him.  It's also worth noting that the first chorus doesn't say 'Ohne Dich' in the last line. 86.148.12.11 09:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ohne dich 

message: Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language. 
Jeremy Williams, 
--Sadistic monkey 08:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have not added that information because I am not sure whether the album title does indeed refer to the meaning that I have described, or perhaps a pun on it, or perhaps something unrelated. Also, it is not impossible that it title refers to the imperative form of "reisen" (to travel), at least it would be grammatically correct (though it makes little sense). I guess one would have to know the lyrics to decide this question. Kosebamse 20:05, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right, I also though it could be Reise (du), reise (du), being then 'travel, travel'. Anyway both are related to be generically translatable as let's go, let's go! wich would make sense for either the old Seemannslied-expression and the imperative. As my German is not as native as I'd wish it to be, you could make a little essay about the name and its translation explaining every option, if you have some time. -KeyStorm 20:28, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: Lyrics are copyrighted, and quoting them in their entirety goes beyond fair use. At the utmost we could quote a short excerpt. Or just include the link given above as an extlink in the article. Lupo 17:18, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, translation changed. Feel free to correct anything if wrong. Thanks for the advice :-) 
I still wonder why lyrics are beyond fair use if they are widely extended in the internet without artists complaining about it and seem to me as they should get the same consideration as covers, which is also copyrighted art. WikiProject: Albums even encourages to add real excerpts of some songs, which would also be hold by fair use. Well, I don't see why lyrics shouldn't be fair use, too.-KeyStorm 17:27, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

text: "Arise, Arise" seems to make more sense.
Though written as a noun, "Reise" is obviously used as a verb in the song. The phrase "Reise, Reise" is used by seamen as a wake-up call and finds its roots in the Middle High German verb "risen", which meant "to rise" (to which it is obviously related as well). This verb has since died out in New High German, though the noun was retained and came to mean "journey" or "voyage". The verb "reisen" was rederived from the noun "Reise", but now means "to journey" or "to travel". It seems the old meaning has been preserved in this phrase in the seaman's language. (Jeremy Williams. "Reise, Reise". Herzeleid.com. May 29, 2005. http://herzeleid.com/en/lyrics/reise_reise/reise_reise)
And besides, which sounds better?  Arise, arise, seaman arise or journey, journey, seaman journey
--Der Sporkmeister 04:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

text: Dutch has the verbs "rijzen" (to arise from a seat; the cry "rijzen, rijzen, rijzen" to wake up the crew of a ship (ISBN 90001968228); the rising sun (of Japan); the growing in size of dough) and "reizen" (travel, journey).  Erik Warmelink (talk) 21:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I suggest you do that, specifically etymological dictionaries, and you will find out it is you who is making things up. Your claim that "Reise" has a single meaning in German is nonsense, as it ignores the lower German and Frisian dialects. If you had any idea of the German language beyond bare speaking skills, you would know that the modern "High" German is largely based on middle and upper German dialects, which is why lower German is drastically different in many aspects - and in many cases much closer to English, such as in the personal pronoun "he" for high German "er", "water" instead of "Wasser" and many others. And now take a look at a map and tell us where in Germany you find a sea and what dialects were probably spoken at sea... It is no coincidence that the pirates under Störtebeker called themselves "Likedeeler", which is much closer to English "like"/"alike" and "dealer" than modern German "Gleich-Teiler", referring to the fact that everyone would get a like share of the prizes. The "evidence" you ask for is found in hundreds of years of history. But since that won't be enough for you, I'll give you the formerly official authority on German language, the Duden dictionary: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Reise which cites under the origin BOTH the middle high german "reise": Departure, journey, but also the middle high german "rīsen" - to rise, arise --95.90.117.69 (talk) 15:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong translation 

message: Does Till Lindemann play the harmonica on "Los" (track 5)? Saemikneu (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  harmonica? 

message: One of the singles of this album was up for deletion as falling below the inclusion criteria for recordings per WP:MUSIC (which it probably did, not having reached No. 1).  It was commented that there was an article on each of several other tracks on the album, including some which had never been released as singles.  I have merged all this into this article and left redirects to save the pain of endless AfD debates.  Nobody bears any malice against Rammstein, and there is no doubt that the band and its albums pass the notability test.  I did the same a while back on another album.  This is a general encyclopaedia, not a fanzine, so excessive detail about minor tracks on major albums is generally considered unnecessary unless it has some particular relevance.  I hope the merge has preserved the information content. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 16:18, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: isn't it the "morning star" a subliminal reference to lucifer? "14:12 How have you fallen from heaven, Lucifer, the morning star? You have been cut down to earth, You who cast lots on nations."
well i think it is. no no i'm not some insane god lover or whatsoever trying to attack the german devil, i just thought it would be intersting to notice that.
:It could be, but it doesn't matter in the context of Wikipedia. Interpretations of songs are always subjective, and as such do not belong in Wikipedia entries, unless of course it is a band member or other prominent figure commenting on what it means to them. ~MDD4696 22:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  morgenstern 

message: Why is there no section for the first track?  It's a famous song in its own right, isn't it?  My German's not good enough to write a section for it, though.  Also, the songs without sections in the "Track Listing" section are just redirects back to this page, or worse, in the case of "Morgenstern," links to a disambiguation page!  I'm going to unlink those which do not have sections; if somebody wants to write a section for them, they can put a link to that section in.  Foxmulder 18:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reise, Reise (song) 

message: This article suffers from an unencyclopedic, junior-high tone. Also, it doesn't really make clear whether or not the album really makes JA Flight 123 a central theme, or just haphazardly samples the CVR. --70.108.80.26 10:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleanup 

message: It's translated as "Do not open flightrecorder", however, the best translation would be "Flightrecorder, Do not open". Not really a big difference. It's more of a word order and punctuation error. 83.163.27.139 (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation of "Flugrekorder, Nicht öffnen" 

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