Talk:Dual degree

message: Rather than continuing to bash each other's brains in over this issue, I propose the following compromise:
*Redirect to academic degree--nothing is gained from having this as a separate article when there is not much actual text here.
*Include a section under academic degree on double degrees, dual degrees, and joint degrees
*Discuss the major common themes of these programs, such as the hundreds of joint JD/MBA programs, JD/MPP programs, and discussion of the MPhil being given to ABD PhD students
*Also discus degrees conferred jointly by multiple institutions, and how this is done to avoid accreditdation problems
*If an example is provided, there is really one good one , which is an MBA jointly conferred by three universities in three countries (NYU, LSE, HEC), which, being rather unique, may be worth mentioning, though I'd still prefer to see no examples, since they add nothing to the discussion
Please discuss here. -James Howard (talk/web) 14:14, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Potential Compromise

message: Hi James,
If you want to see some real linkspam, have a look at some of the pages listed here.
Regards, Ben Aveling 10:36, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  If you want linkspam 

message: Hi Mel,
I was just wondering how you decided to pick your list.
If I type "Double degree" into google, I can see that some of your list are first to appear, but that there are other institutions in each list that aren't in the other list.
Just picking Australian institutions at random
# "double degree" unsw = 700 hits
# "double degree" "sydney university" = 336 hits
# "double degree" "monash university" = 18,100 hits!
# "double degree" "anu"= 753 hits
# "double degree" "deakin university" = 668 hits
# "double degree" "edith cowan university" = 538 hits
# "double degree" "university of tasmania" = 414 hits
# "double degree" "rmit" = 9,450 hits
# "double degree" "charles darwin university" = 131 hits
# "double degree" "university of wollongong" = 671 hits, And a nice definition of a double degree as well: 
# "double degree" "flinders university" = 428 hits
# "double degree" "University of Notre Dame" = 411 hits
The only .au uni I've been able to find that doesn't have a double degree is http://www.theaiu.com/ and that's something of a special case.  :-)
I realise there's a lot of double counting, and false, hits, so the usual ton of salt applies, but still
* "double degree" + pages from Australia = 114,000 hits
Hmm.  What about overseas?
* "double degree" "america" = 80,500 hits.  Less than Australia, which is interesting.
# "double degree" MIT = 31,800 hits Including this guide 
# "double degree" "university of utah" = 251 hits
# "double degree" "university of washington" = 662 hits
# "double degree" "seattle university" = 106 hits
Not as many, but still hits everytime, and not all of them false - forgive me if I don't put all the links, but each time I've confirmed that at least some of the links are talking about double degrees offered at that institution.
What about
# "not offer double degrees" = 1 hit (New York University)  And that's just music, other departments do offer double degrees.  (190 hits)
# "does not offer" "double degree" = 319 hits.   Not a lot, and the first few pages all see to be places that do offer double degrees but not scholarships, or not an online mba, or not a meal plan or work experience.
I've spent more time on this that it's worth.  Any suggestions on how to find universities that don't offer double degrees?
Last find.  A list of the universities that offer double degrees with French "Grandes Ecoles" (members of the Conférence des Grandes Ecoles): http://www.cge.asso.fr/nouveau/cge/doubdipgb.phtml
But maybe we need to distinguish b/n double degree at one institution and double degree at two institutions?
Regards, Ben Aveling 11:38, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  What would be a useful list 

message: I'm not sure exactly what this dispute is about, but perhaps it's a terminology issue.  Here's a link which might help: http://ls-advise.berkeley.edu/faq/double.html  A "double major" occurs when a person works on two degrees in one college, while a "simultaneous degree" occurs when a person works on two degrees at different colleges. Hope that helps. Jayjg (talk) 01:21, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi J, What do you mean by college?  To me, the word is shorthand for residential college but that's clearly not what you mean.  Regards, Ben Aveling 04:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that was Jay's point: that what in the UK is called a double degree may be called a simultaneous degree in North America, and perhaps that's where some of the confusion stems from. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:56, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  But I'm not sure this is a USA vs Rest of the world definitional debate.  Mel is a Brit.  I'm Australian.  I don't know where James is from, so could be America.  But the ill-feeling seems not to be about what a double degree is but about whether or not a sample list of institutions offering double degrees is link spam.  James thinks it is, and no-one else does.  Mel and I disagree about whether the links should be there, but we haven't really had much debate about it, and what there has been has been civil.  Regards, Ben Aveling 02:49, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: James actually merged this article into Academic degree today, and I moved it back because it seems it was done without consensus. However, I don't want to interfere with what the rest of you want to do. I moved it as admin, not as editor, so feel free to merge it again, or not, as you all see fit, with or without the links. I think the problem with the links from James' perspective is that he feels there are so many universities offering double degrees that to single some out amounts to soliciting i.e. spam. If this confusion is being caused by a difference in definition, then solving the latter should solve the former, which is why I'm hoping simultaneous degree might do the trick. SlimVirgin (talk) 03:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps.  I agree with James that the list shouldn't be there, but I don't feel strongly about it.  And I think the page should be merged, once Mel and James have resolved their issue with the list, and not before.  Thanks for the input.  Ben Aveling 04:24, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with this article 

message: How does a double degree differ from a double major program? I think if anything, any difference that may exist is relative to what school's program you consider. If a difference exists, it needs to be expounded upon in the article. Shaggorama 10:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say that it looks perfectly clear to me; a double major is one degree with two subjects, whicle a double degree is two degrees, with either different subjects or the same subject.  How do you suggest that the explanation could be made cleaer? --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 12:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Double major currently redirects to this page. Someone should probably fix that, but to where? Bachelor's degree? Ewlyahoocom 16:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it shouldn't redirect here. Bachelor's degree or Academic degree are possibilities, or at least add a compare/contrast section here. JJL 17:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  double major 

message: While I see that double major has been fixed to redirect to Academic major, 'Joint Degree' still redirects here.  That's equally problematic.
As far as I understand, it goes something like this...
A double major is one degree with two subject area concentrations.
A double degree is two degrees that can be in the same or different subject areas that typically require the student to take less time on each degree than doing each of them separately would. Also, double degrees may allow students to take both degrees at the same institution.
A joint degree is one degree offered jointly by two or more institutions or by a consortium of institutions.
Some feedback or help with resources that define such things concisely would be nice before I go ahead and edit the page.  I have yet to find a nice, accurate description of the different permutations of higher education programming available (the above three statements are a summary culled from pages and pages of more amorphous research).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BubblestheAnarchist (talk • contribs) 21:31, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Terminology issues 

message: (Relocated from top of talk page)
Why include a sample list of institutions? A lot of universities offer double degree programmes, and it would almost be easier to include a definitive list of those that do not (Harvard University, notably) than a sample list of those that do... jglc | t | c 16:24, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Harvard explicitly offers at least one double degree program with New York University.   -James Howard (talk/web) 18:15, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

text: My impression was that this is relatively rare, and a Google search tended to confirm this.  I know of only one or two British Universities that offer them, for example.  They seem to be more popular in the Far East and Autralasia. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 16:51, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Every accredited institution of higher education in the United States that accepts transfer credit, by definition, offers a double degree program.  So, if you'd like, I can expand the list, but it would just become a list of every school in the United States (with a handful of exceptions, such as St. John's College and Antioch). -James Howard (talk/web) 18:15, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample list (previous discussion) 

message: I would like contributors to this page to consider adding the University of Auckland to the sample list. My revision of 23:26, 26 October 2006 stated:
::"University of Auckland, New Zealand. Offers students with an academic record of a sufficiently high standard the option to pursue a conjoint degree. There are 32 conjoint degrees covering combinations of arts, commerce, engineering, education, fine arts, health sciences, music, property, theology, law, and law with honours."
I think that, given the large number of conjoint degrees available, together with the great range, this is a worthy inclusion. Compare this with some of the other items on the list which relate to single programmes. 
I will not revert the edit by JJL myself, but anyone who agrees with me is welcome to do so. --- Nicknz 01:51, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I would suggest that some of the Universities on the lsit that have only a single conjoint programme be removed, and those that offer a more significant number be included. In any event, it is necessary to clarify the criteria for inclusion in accordance with the list guidelines. -- Nicknz 02:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample list 

message: I propose that we collectively resolve a set of criteria to be applied to potential "candidates" for inclusion on the sample list. — Nicknz 20:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do we need a sample list at all? That isn't obvious to me. Virtually every university allows it at the undergrad. level, as do a great many colleges. Even MBA/MD or MBA/JD or MPH/DMD programs are not at all uncommon. What purpose is served by the sample list? I am inclined to remove it entirely. JJL 20:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criteria for inclusion on list 

message: Maybe we could revert and put the sample list back? Mikebar 18:05, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the above comment from the top of the page. I don't see the value of the sample list, and it seems to be growing once again. Everyone thinks their school deserves to be on the list, but it's such a common thing--so many schools have it--that I don't see the value of such examples. I'm taking Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files to heart here. JJL 18:59, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sample list (again/still)

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