Talk:Families in the Oireachtas

message: Does anyone have any evidence as to whether Kieran Crotty is the son (or other relative) of Patrick Crotty?  Their dates of birth, and the fact that Patrick succeeded Kieran at the 1969 general election suggests that this Fine Gael seat in Carlow-Kilkenny may have been kept with the family … but it would be nice to have some evidence.
The two men were both Mayors of Kilkenny, but the list of mayors on the Kilkenny Borough Council website offers no comment about any family relationship.
I have searched the Dáil proceedings for the whole of Kieran Crotty's tenure as TD for any reference to "father" in his speeches, but without success. --BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) 12:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were father and son, see here . I have added them in. Snappy56 (talk) 11:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Patrick+Kieran Crotty

message: Several people called Belton have been TDs and Senators over the years, mostly for Dublin North or Dublin North East (see Beltons in the Oireachtas members database. Does anyone have any verifiable information on any family relationships between them?  --BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs) 15:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Great information, thanks, I've used it to update the list --Rye1967 01:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Beltons

message: Are Patick Clohessy, Farmer, Limerick East, FF, 1957-69, born 1908 and Peadar Clohessy, b1934, Farmer, Limerck East, FF/PD, 1981-97 related? - Rye1967 22:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uncle/Nephew.  Answered by Zachler 25 Sept 2010.  Aah, the wonder of Wikipedia --Rye1967 (talk) 20:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No references have been provided. Snappy (talk) 17:02, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clohessy 

message: Are Ray MacSharry, FF, Sligo and Marc MacSharry FF Senator, 2002- related?--Rye1967 09:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, Father and son. See . I have added them in. Snappy56 21:31, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MacSharry 

message: ElectionsIreland mentions Osmond, Anthony, John, and William.  I haven't been able to identify the realationships.   Burke's Peerage should help, but it doesn't really.  Any thoughts?? JXM 16:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that Esmonde Baronets helps.  Have updated the links to reflect their names: I have used he titles as a std form of disambiguation (there are, for example, lots of John Esmondes). --BrownHairedGirl (talk)  • (contribs) 13:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just added 4 on top of the Esmondes, including Henry Grattan. Probably we should move them all to the G section.PatrickGuinness (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PS It's quite something to find a lineage that runs from the Irish parliament of the 1700s through Westminster down to the Oireachtas.PatrickGuinness (talk) 22:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Finally got around to moving this to the G section. And yes, PatrickGuinness, it is indeed an impressive lineage - much like yr own! :-) (There must be a family link to the old Esmonde Motors Ford dealership, but I haven't found it yet.) jxm (talk) 23:50, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Good man. "Sir Osmond Esmonde", lol.PatrickGuinness (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esmonde 

message: The intro to the article mentions family members succeeding each other in the same seat.   But we've extended the list well beyond that narrow definition.  I think I'll rework the opening sentences to reflect the wider definition.  JXM 16:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, and while you're at it, is the definiton of relatives accurate now that we have cousins, in-laws, newphews etc--Rye1967 23:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Same seat? 

message: Per the links guidelines, I'd like to suggest that we unlink all the FF and FG links, and replace them with a note at the top identifying the abbreviations used.  The two parties could then be linked from that note.  Any objections?  If nobody minds, I'll make the change in the next few days, or whenever I can get to it.  Mike Christie (talk) 13:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FF and FG 

message: There are now two entries for the Brady family, one under 'B' and one under 'K' each with differing data.  Convention has been to keep all relatives together in one place, even when there is more than one surname, see Lemass/Haughey.  I propose we move the 'Brady' family to the Kitt section since the scion, Philip Brady, is not notable enough to have had his own page created by now.--Rye1967 08:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added in Philip & Gerard Brady. If you want to group them with the Kitts together, go ahead. Snappy56 11:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brady/Kitt family 

message: I've added Bob Aylward, father of Liam Aylward and Bobby Aylward. Info from Liam Aylward's website . There is an Edward Aylward who served as a Sinn Fein TD for Carlow-Kilkenny (same constituency as Liam and Bobby) from 1921-22 (2nd Dáil). Anyone know if he is a relation of theirs? Snappy56 12:05, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aylwards

message: Added his brothers-in-law.Red Hurley 09:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: James Ryan

message: The following is indeed important, and correct:
:"In accordance with Wikipedia's rules, only verifiable family relationships have been included."
... but stating directly in the article text is contrary to avoid self-references.  (And could be seen as protesting too much, really:  it's not as if most of this is has references.)  Alai (talk) 13:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's reasonable to suppose that articles are written by knowledgeable people; most are short bios; and to double-check we have this government maintained page: http://oireachtas.ie/members-hist/     which is probably OK.Red Hurley (talk) 20:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important point, yes, but self-referential 

message: Thought we should have the Connolly family included; no comments about nepotism please. Like the Pearse and Collins families, this suggests a pensionary system for the offspring of the 1916 rebels which lasted for decades.Red Hurley (talk) 17:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  JC's children 

message: Anyone have any sources on whether there was any relationship between two FF TDs for Longford-Westmeath
* Thomas Carter (TD various points until 1951)
* Frank Carter (politician) (TD 1951–1957, 1961–1977)
The only reference I have found so far is http://www.irishidentity.com/extras/people/stories/doris.htm ... which doesn't look to me like  a reliable source. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carters in Longford-Westmeath 

message: Dail family trees show clans who rule Ireland, Sunday Independent. Fianna Fail political dynasties, Sunday Independent. --candle•wicke 15:47, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New sources 

message: They are related but can anyone tell us when the spelling changed? Perhaps a typo repeated.Red Hurley (talk) 13:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: ...that is, according to the end of Joseph Biggar.Red Hurley (talk) 13:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The B*ggers are not related...Red Hurley (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Biggar/Bigger

message: Henry Eustace Guinness, 8th Senate, no article yet, was the MD of Guinness Mahon in the 1940s.86.42.215.68 (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: The 5th Guinness

message: There is conflicting evidence in the Irish Times archive and in various other online sources about the relationship between Patrick Hillery and Brian Hillery.  The official biography of Patrick Hillery says that his only brother (Des) was born in 1921, suspiciously early to be the father of Brian, whose Wikipedia entry says he was born in 1937, although Brian is frequently described as Patrick's nephew (e.g. ).  In any case, Brian's father was Thomas (Irish Times, 18 Apr 1970) and Patrick had an uncle Thomas (9 in 1901 census, 20 in 1911 census ).  If these are the same Thomas Hillery, then Patrick and Brian should be noted here and in their individual articles as first cousins.
Pwaldron (talk) 13:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I am now certain that Brian Hillery was Paddy Hillery's first cousin, and have amended the page accordingly.  I have also added Michael McNamara, current TD, who should have been added when he married Paddy Hillery's granddaughter back in 2015. Pwaldron (talk) 22:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Hillery

message: Should the rules for inclusion be altered to allow for the tiny number of families which have included both a member of the Oireachtas and a member of the House of Commons who either sat for a non-Irish constituency or sat after 1922?  Henry McDevitt TD and his grandson Mark Reckless MP may even be the only such example.  Does anyone know of other such cases?
Pwaldron (talk) 11:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so, as we mention pre-Independence MPs, like Pierce Mahony, Pierce O'Mahony and Dermot O'Mahony, so we could mention post indpendence MPs. Snappy (talk) 16:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: McDevitt/Reckless

message: Substituted at 14:56, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Lisa Chambers is identified here as Frank Chambers' niece. However, Frank Chambers' own page explicitly states that Frank Chambers' daughter, Lisa, is not the Lisa Chambers who is currently (2023) a Fianna Fáil Senator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Chambers
Which is correct? Amunnelly (talk) 10:34, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frank and Lisa Chambers