Talk:Death of Azaria Chamberlain

message: Does Azaria Chamberlain really have an existance outside of the disappearance? It would seem that the bio should be merged into the disappearance story, with a redirect. --Randal L. Schwartz 17:20, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. We should turn this into a redirect to Azaria Chamberlain disappearance, adding any material to the main article as needed and remembering that annoying task of updating an links to this page. - DavidWBrooks 17:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with "trivial bio" 

message: I recall reading somewhere that "Azar" means "dice" in Arabic, so "Azaria" probably means something like "lucky" or "fortunate". Where does "Helped by God" come from? Bastie 09:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a citation on Lindy Chamberlian's Official Website giving the title and publication details of the baby name book she relied on for the definition of the name which is the femine form of the biblical name Azariah. I'll try and get that and put it here. Lisapollison 22:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Arabic has nothing to do with it, and I'm not sure why you thought it would.  It's from Hebrew.  The alternate male spelling being Azariah.  You can break it down as "azar" (meaning help or aid: see this) and "ia" or "yah" (see Yah).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.255.219.138 (talk) 17:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  "I'm not sure why you thought it would." Probably because Arabic and Hebrew are closely related languages, just chock full of cognate words.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.104.43.19 (talk) 17:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azaria 

message: Hi!  I've removed this article from Wikipedia:Good articles/Nominations
due to the following:
*Although inline cites are not a strict requirement for GA, an article of this type almost does require them.
*The references section needs cleaned up quite a bit -- every reference shouldn't be italicized.  Check out WP:CITE for help with that.
*It could use a bit more wikifying.
It's a wonderfully written article, however, and would easily pass GA with those concerns addressed.  Thanks! Air.dance 11:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the endorsement, Air.dance. This was the first article I started at Wikipedia and I didn't really know how to cite at the time. While the article has been significantly rewritten and improved by others since my initial contribution, I think I set a bad standard initially. You've reminded me though that this is an article I should really revisit when I get the time. I kinda dread rereading the court decisions to reference properly. Mattisgoo 23:03, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I too think the article would truly benefit with specific inline citations for its claims, such as the quote about Seventh-day Adventism being a "satanic cult," which I removed because it did not have a specific reference and seemed to need it to be there at all. Ansell 09:52, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put that quote in as "dangerous cult" initially. Someone changed it to "satanic" recently for no good reason. The initial quote was not made up -- it's contained in one of the references at the bottom (but I don't remember which one). Another good argument in favour of inline references.Mattisgoo 00:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Failed GA 

message: I'm removing most of this topic from the article, as there are no references to it anywhere except an ABC Mediawatch article that says The media exploited the delusions of a vulnerable young woman to keep this bogus story running for days and then goes on to say that none of the reports linking Erin Horsburgh to the Chamberlain case had any substance. Kevin 11:05, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Erin Horsburgh 

message: How is anyone supposed to verify large edits such as this without inline citations for statements? There is a huge list of citations at the bottom, which actually makes it harder to find specific claims to verify them. Ansell 00:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As the original author of a chunk of this article's uninlined content, I've come back and inline about 10 of the references that still directly related to sections of the content text. There's still more work to do. Mattisgoo (talk) 08:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline citations 

message: The article lists two estimates on the financial compensation:
"It is estimated that their legal fees exceeded five million Australian Dollars."
"Two years after they were exonerated, the Chamberlains were awarded AU$1.3 million in compensation for wrongful imprisonment, a sum that covered approximately one-tenth of their legal expenses."
Because of this, I am going to change it to one-fourth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.139.154 (talk) 05:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compensation 

message: Could someone explain why the infobox at the top of the page, which lists only a name, DOB and DOD, also lists an age!?!  This strikes me as extremely disrespectful...  -Grammaticus Repairo 21:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Calm down, it's gone. Nick Cooper 22:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The age was back again, and I removed it.  It does sound potentially offensive, but it's also inaccurate.  She was aged two months, not zero years.  The calculator apparently isn't set up to deal with ages under one year.  -- AvatarMN (talk) 00:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Azaria Chamberlain infobox 

message: edited so instead of saying one fourth says quarter 89.240.246.54 00:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  quick edit 

message: I'm very tempted to remove the Azaria_Chamberlain_disappearance#The_disappearance_in_popular_media section (perhaps mention the "The dingoes ate my baby!" thing, if a RS mentions it), or at least put it in a separate article/list/whatever we call them.
Comments?
dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd remove it. I'd also consider removing the crime category and See Also crime link. The event wasn't considered to be a crime after new evidence was eventually found. -- Longhair\talk 08:45, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did as you suggested, and removed  for the same reason. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:59, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

text: The popular media section should have been moved to a separate article rather than completely removed.  Many people will first seek information on "The dingo ate my baby" phrase by first seeking for it under the source by which they originally heard it.  -Fuze44  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuze44 (talk • contribs) 23:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section - Remove? 

message: "Engineer Les Harris, who had conducted dingo research for over a decade, said that, contrary to Cameron's findings, a dingo's carnassial teeth can shear through material as tough as motor vehicle seat belts. He also cited an example of a captive female dingo removing a bundle of meat from its wrapping paper and leaving the paper intact."
Both facts are completely irrelevant to the trial. A dingo's capability to tear through such strong material is ireelevant. What was relevant was whether a dingo made the same similiar incision marks to a scissor or a scissoring cutting tool, the mark that was left on the babies clothing. A dingo being able to unwrap a bundle of paper was irrelevant, especially as it didn't "unwrap" the child, it alledgedly cut through it's clothing and tore it apart.
"Evidence to the effect that a dingo was strong enough to carry a kangaroo was also ignored."
So? It is irrelevant, thats why it was ignored. A dingo can carry a baby. It was never argued against. The argument against a dingo was that are not likely to and statistically don't.
It's technically POV pushing to place every single thing that was rejected in the trial up. Especially writing it as if it somehow adds to evidence they ignored of her innocence during the trial. 124.148.227.196 (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously for the first group of investigating lawmen, it was very relevant whether a dingo can carry a 10 pound baby in its mouth.  In the initial discussion of the case, officer John Lincoln filled a pail with ten pounds of sand and demonstrated to others how he couldn't support it in his mouth for even a minute. This was to demonstrate to his fellow officers that a dingo couldn't have carried the child away. It is also relevant to the defense's case whether a dingo's teeth could easily tear through a baby's jumpsuit and would not just consume the clothing as well as the child when eating. In summary, I don't see why you're complaining unless you think Lindy Chamberlain was guilty.TL36 (talk) 07:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just want to say here that the type of material of the jumpsuit (of a type that most Australian babies wear) is not at all easy to tear. It is very stretchy fabric.  And it is most unlikely that any canine creature would consume it, unless it was an extraordinarily stupid dog. Amandajm (talk) 04:02, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless aditions to trial info 

message: "Engineer Les Harris, who had conducted dingo research for over a decade, said that, contrary to Cameron's findings, a dingo's carnassial teeth can shear through material as tough as motor vehicle seat belts. He also cited an example of a captive female dingo removing a bundle of meat from its wrapping paper and leaving the paper intact.[11] His evidence was rejected, however."
Firstly; in this article 'Cameron' as a character hadn't been introduced. WHO IS CAMERON?
Secondly; 'His evidence was rejected, however' is a bit yoda.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.96.46.187 (talk) 00:54, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please re write this section its really bad  

message: I made this change:
on grammatical grounds, but it was reverted on the grounds that "Which is more correct in Australian English". However I disagree that "which is more correct in Australian English".  WP:ENGVAR doesn't cover it. Which vs that does not mention Australian English at all. It does say that "in formal and informal British English that or which are both commonly used". I concede that Australia nominally uses British English (rather than US English) so one might argue that either is allowed and perhaps I shouldn't have changed it. However I assert that which is not "more correct in Australian ..." and - other things being equal - we should follow "the Chicago Manual of Style and other mainstream references" and use that.
Can I have the opinions of other editors please. Mitch Ames (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you - it should be "that." briantw "One man can make a difference." (talk) 22:12, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

text: I also agree with the change to "that".  The "more correct in Australian English" claim is completely spurious.  --  Jack of Oz [your turn] 06:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've restored "that". Mitch Ames (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Australia doesn't use British English. Australia uses Australian English.  That the two varieties are closer to each other than they are to US English is no surprise considering history.  As the section you link to notes, the "rule" was championed by Fowler about a century ago but even he noted that "Some there are who follow this principle now; but it would be idle to pretend that it is the practice either of most or of the best writers."  It's a prescriptionist invention which US style guides have latched onto but didn't catch on outside of North America.  However, American style guides such as the Chicago Manual of Style have no relevance to Australian English, be other things equal or be they otherwise.  Do any of the "other mainstream references" you mention actually originate in Australia?  It's not a question of which is correct, they're both equally acceptable.  Thus I would argue that MOS:RETAIN does apply. JIMp talk·cont 06:01, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done, Jimp! Amandajm (talk) 01:54, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "That" or "which"? 

message: Whether or not one agrees with the verdict, and whether or not the Chamberlains were actually guilty, it is not appropriate to say that the court "ignored" evidence.  That is tantamount to accusing it of bias.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:18, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bias in report on trial 

message: One aspect of the case against Lindsay Chamberlain that is conspicuous in its absence from the article is what the prosecution claimed was her motive for murdering her infant daughter.  Surely a motive was at least suggested in the trial or in the media.  Murder trials never lack in motives -- real, plausible or absurd.  Why no mention of one or more of them here?  If anyone has good sources for claimed motives, please add it to the article. Bricology (talk) 07:13, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  motive? 

message: Can anyone add information about the HUGE DELAY between the discovery of the jacket, the key missing piece of evidence, in 1986 and the finding this month of the cause of death?  
Yes, things take time, but 26 years?!  Wanderer57 (talk) 17:50, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge Delay 

message: Yes we can identify that Seinfeld and The Simpsons made a joke about this incident, but if that is all we can do - so what. It is not encyclopedic. Seinfeld referred to dozens of cultural events every episode for twenty plus episodes for 10 seasons, The Simpsons refers to dozens of cultural events for 20 plus episodes for over 20 seasons. 
The mere fact that this event was the butt of a single joke on each show is mere trivia without some third party analysis showing why the joke was important. If this were NOT the butt of a joke, THAT might be something.-- The Red Pen of Doom 10:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree. The Simpons especially is packed with one-liner even half-liner gags based on cultural references and observations. But this case is seen as so unusual (even though statistically it may not be) that its cultural reach has been immense. I think we need some way of showing how wide that reach has been. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I support this. Amandajm (talk) 03:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media_and_cultural_references / Seinfeld and The Simpsons ie trivia 

message: Death of Azaria Chamberlain#Current status - Apparently the entire car has now been added to the museum collection.  Mitch Ames (talk) 09:14, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Car added to museum collection 

message: I'm fascinated with the case, ever since I saw Lindy Chamberlain being used as an example of false associations on a crime documentary about lying people in crimes. However I can't find any information outside this article on Wikipedia (or on other sites which simply copy-paste this article) about either a playwright named 'Brooke Pierce' or a play by Brooke Pierce on the subject of this miscarriage of justice. 90.203.53.112 (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The play by Brooke Pierce 

message: Substituted at 21:39, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

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message: This article should have a section about "the events of 17 August 1980".  As it now stands, the article jumps from the lead to the coroner's inquest.  There is no info about the night of the baby's disappearance and death.  And that indeed is the very title of this article!   Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:58, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Events of 17 August 1980 

message: I propose to merge Michael Chamberlain and Lindy Chamberlain-Creighton into this page (Death of Azaria Chamberlain) according to WP:1E and WP:BLP1E. Brinerat (talk) 20:30, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: The third paragraph of the introduction section (before "Contents") begins with "In the U M After being released". Why is the "In the U M" part here? It makes no sense at all.58.80.201.106 (talk) 01:16, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks IP. The changes that introduced the error have been undone. JennyOz (talk) 05:38, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nonsense text 

message: Addition to “Media and cultural impact” section:
Theatrical production
Playwright Alana Valentine conceived a production in 2013, featuring criticism and outrage towards Lindy Chamberlain surrounding the events and aftermath of the death of Azaria. https://artsontour.com.au/tours/letters-lindy/ The production continues a decade later; in 2023 amateur theatre company Milton Follies starred Ashley Howes as the Lindy.https://miltonfollies.org/2023/05/07/letters-to-lindy-tickets-on-sale-now/ 2001:8004:C31:EE24:1C5D:A5B5:B315:2760 (talk) 10:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: JML1148 (talk | contribs) 05:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 June 2023