Talk:Amanda Lear

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message: I reverted this in-article comment and edits conforming to it:
:The mother of Amanda Lear was not Chinese actually. She was of Russian origin and her Father was Half French, half English.
The article is largely unsourced anyway, but especially given someone with invented personal history, we should make sure of this and cite if possible. For now I've left it French father, Chinese mother. --Dhartung | Talk 08:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a video on YouTube with a series of stills of transsexuals and one of them is captioned "Amanda Lear". There is a picture of a man's face inset in the corner who certainly looks like the same person as the woman in the photo. HOWEVER, that woman doesn't look like Amanda Lear to me but what do I know. The website music story says (in French) that the rumour was invented by Salvador Dali but they don't say where they got that information from. They also say that Amanda Lear has never denied the story because she thinks it adds to her mystique. So did she deny it or not? There seems to be disagreement about that point. Anyway, considering how widespread the rumour seems to be, that is reason enough, it seems to me, to mention it in the article so that people who become confused by it (such as myself) can read in the article that it is just that – AN UNCONFIRMED RUMOUR. Simply refusing to mention it at all is flagrant censorship, in my opinion. You have not denied that the rumour exists, after all. It might certainly be construed as distasteful if it isn't true, and a Ugandan female politician won a lawsuit against a number of British newspapers who reported that Idi Amin had accused her of having sex in an airport toilet, even though the papers didn't say it was true. But Wikipedia's servers are located in the United States where you can certainly say that something is a rumour even if it might be distasteful to some. Mike Hayes (talk) 10:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Angela Bowie states in "Backstage Passes" that Amanda was born in Vietnam and was part French.jeanne (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

text: You still need some way to verify it. Wikipedia can not act on rumours or hearsay; it would lower the quality of articles. 2A02:8388:1641:8380:D082:7ABF:425B:9F04 (talk) 16:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: The differents french government website clearly stated that Amanda Lear was born Amanda Trapp.
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And why this article is listed in transexual categories ? There is no proof, wikipedia should stay factual, on verified basis. There is already things about transsexuals rumors in the article.
Can you please make the effort to write an explanation, thanks. Anonymous.
In europe when an transsexual person had its operation , all the goverments changes that in their birth register.
therefore they will (must) always say e.g. amnda was born as a female even if it is not the truth.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.219.219.71 (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that many transsexual people in the United States have their old records of life in the wrong body permanently sealed to prevent access to the records.  I would suppose that the same is often done in Europe as well.  Andrea Parton (talk) 21:28, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there is no such thing in Europe. By the way, each country in Europe has their own laws as they are independent countries.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.157.59.159 (talk) 12:36, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why the Birth name is "Alain Tapp (?)" ? 

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message: Ian Gibson and Romy Haag knew her when she still was a boy. 
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Lear#Ger.C3.BCcht_um_Transsexualit.C3.A4t  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.188.67.150 (talk) 15:29, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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message: An Amanda Lear is referred to in Ritz Newspaper as a gossip columniost.  is the the same person?  Fiddle Faddle (talk) 13:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0495166/bio
Her birthdate is listed as June 18th, 1939
Plastic surgery or no plastic surgery, she does not look that old and I don't believe she is that old either.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dexshurun (talk • contribs) 01:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I shouldn't really waste my time with this, but if you think she's doesn't look that old, have a look at Joan Rivers, 5 years her senior. She also doesn't look 76. And if Amanda Lear was Dali's lover in the 60s, her age makes totally sense, unless you want her to have been his lover while she was 5 years old? Dollvalley (talk) 21:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

text: GEMA can not be used as a reliable source either because how would they verify the claim of the age being incorrect? 2A02:8388:1641:8380:D082:7ABF:425B:9F04 (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

text: Perhaps you could help readers less familiar with Germany by explaining what GEMA means, and its relevance and utility to discussion of Lear. Spideog (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  You realise, I hope, that you are asking somebody who last edited more than ten years ago about something that they posted more than eleven years ago. Anyway, see GEMA (German organization). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:   How inconsiderate to abandon one's editing responsibilities for an entire decade, leaving sincere people with questions like me hanging in painful suspense. There ought to be a law. But seriously, thank you for the revealing link. Spideog (talk) 10:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthdate on IMDB 

message: I have removed from the Early career (1965–1974) section the following sentence uncited and unattributed since October 2007 - please reinsert with a cite to a reliable source:
:The name Amanda Lear is also generally believed to be an alias, a drag queen name and a conjunction of the English words 'A man' and the last name of her mentor and father figure Salvador 'Dalì', while others believe it to be the French 'L'amant Dalì', the lover of Dalì.
-Wikianon (talk) 09:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: I've just revised a bit the article, removing some unsourced POV where I found it, and also formatted some prose which was ugly or not properly written (quotes as "- ....; it seems the previous editor feared any typographical sign could be offended if he omitted it!!). Ciao e buon lavoro. --Attilios (talk) 18:17, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm surprised to find such a long article, but it is filled with boasted record sales and audience and ratings and anything else. It all reads like a fan site. Dollvalley (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: POV and not encyclopedical prose

message: Strangely we currently seem to have her age at 2009. I'm guessing that's because we have two years in the infobox. What is the usual rule with an infobox when there are two possible years of birth? TheRetroGuy (talk) 22:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: At last we have his Birth Certificate:
http://www.armonics2zero.it/index.php/gossip/essere-o-non-essere/ 
He was born male on 18 June 1939 in Saigon.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.36.52 (talk) 08:09, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the word "gossip" in the URL is a hint? --Muhandes (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  True birth date was discovered! 

message: AL is an ageing model and minor Eurodisco star. Her main claim to fame in the English speaking world is having featured on an iconic Roxy Music album cover, and having had relationships with lots of British early 70s rock musicians. While it's reasonable that she should have an article, the current text seems excessively detailed given her notability, despite being well written and referenced. It has too much of the fan page about it. --Ef80 (talk) 20:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever the ambiguities of Lear's story may be, assessing her biography solely through the lens of the "English speaking world" is just blinkered chauvinism. Most of her career has been mediated through the French and Italian languages. Dismissing her scornfully as an "ageing model" reveals a lot more about you than about her. Spideog (talk) 21:14, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
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message: "Alain Tap, né en 1939 à Saïgon en Cochinchine (Indochine]. Fils d'André Tap, capitaine de l'armée française et d'une mère vietnamienne. Après avoir vécu à Saïgon, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.201.57 (talk) 13:15, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Alain Tap

message: Amanda Lear, née Alain Tapp, le 18 novembre 1939, est une chanteuse transsexuelle française et eurasienne. Fils d'André Tapp, capitaine de l'armée française et d'une mère indochinoise. Après avoir vécu à Saïgon, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.74.37 (talk) 14:50, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Alain Tapp

message: Amanda Lear, née Alain Tap, le 18 juin 1939 à l'hôpital militaire Grall, 14 rue La Grandière, Saîgon, est une chanteuse transsexuelle française. Fils d'André Tap, militaire français, sergent d'Infanterie coloniale à l'époque, et d'un mère française, Valentine Rivera. Ils habitaient 12 rue du Mékong à Saïgon. Après avoir vécu dans cette ville, les parents du petit Alain vivent en Europe durant la Seconde Guerre mondiale puis s'installent en Suisse. Ils divorcent lorsqu'Alain à 5 ans. La mère part s'installer à Carcassonne avec son fils, le père lui reste à Paris. Le père décède en 1965.
La déclaration faite à la GEMA (18 novembre 1939) est déjà une fausse déclaration pour brouiller les pistes en cas d'enquête.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.46.212.64 (talk) 16:36, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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message: Hello, when I write Amanda Tap on FamilySearch only one answer appears here, a marriage registration index from London in England for Oct/Nov/Dec 1965 with a certain Morgan P. Lear... --Danielvis08 (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage Amanda Tap & Morgan P. Lear 

message: Why would someone name themselves after a research, Alain Tapp. Someone needs to change this. I don't understand why that Amanda's name be that name? Like what?
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thread_title: Why would Amanda Lear's name be after a researcher?

message: Everything about how details of her personal life are unclear should be excised per WP:NOTGOSSIP 92.21.223.3 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have specific examples to consider? Keep in mind that sometimes things are uncertain because of conflicting sources (we have articles where birth years are in doubt for that reason), and that doesn't necessarily make it idle gossip. --ZimZalaBim talk 01:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gossip 

message: Hello, this article is about a notable female singer. She became famous in the 1960s. If there has been a gender transition in her life (just assumed here for the sake of conversation), then that must have happened before she became notable. Following the rules, rumours about a gender transition, a previous male identity, male name etc. should be deleted from the article. This concerns mostly, but not only, the section "Gender identity".  Ziko (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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