Talk:Mineko Iwasaki

message: John Smith's, why did you revert my recent changes?  I don't believe there were any significant changes to the informational content, my revisions were primarily an attempt to clarify the article and improve the writing style.  I think my version is also slightly more NPOV.  If you found my changes objectionable, I'd like to know why. CKarnstein 21:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I felt that you removed a few things that were important. But the style is better, so I'll have a look at it later to see if there are a few things I can change a little bit. John Smith's 10:41, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverts

message: Given that she refered to herself as a geiko (and was from Kyoto), I think we should use that. If she had come from a part of Japan that didn't use that term, then fine. John Smith's 10:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geiko or geisha?

message: First, she sues the author for breach of contract (didn't want others to know she had spoken about Geisha life). Now, she writes an autobiography?? Alright, maybe the Japanese already know she had already spilled the beans, but why would she do it AGAIN and write a more "truthful" account of Geisha life? She's just breaking the code of silence even more. Why did she sue the other author to begin with than?
I've read a interview with her, and she claims that they are not prostitutes (geishas); yet, I have heard (I'm not sure if it's true) that she had sold her virginity for a very high price. I don't know about her, but that sounds like prostitution to me -- money for sex.
I guess from a cultural anthropologist's point of view, being a geisha isn't equivalent to being a prostitute. But I don't think I buy that. It still sounds like prostitution. 24.23.51.27 08:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you are wrong, so here is your correction.  One of the reasons for the lawsuit was that, thanks to Memoris of a Geisha, many people now falsely believe that Iwasaki sold her virginity to the highest bidder.  As is stated in the Wikipedia article, she is quite emphatic that this never happened to her and that there was no tradition in Gion of auctioning off the virginity of young geisha.  This and other misconceptions about the geisha world are why Iwasaki decided to break her silence and wrote her own memoir.  It's unfortunate that even after that some people still give more weight to fiction. CKarnstein 04:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Criticisms (correct me if I'm wrong) 

message: Did anyone actually read this book?  There's no article here on wikipedia on the book yet...
'Geisha of Gion' is the UK title of the US book, 'Geisha, A Life'. The content isn't different.134.69.230.129 22:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Geisha of Gion

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Geisha of Gion.jpg

message: I was looking for some information on the author/book and came across this article. I updated and sourced some information (the Phoenix link is still there, I just moved it from external and used it as a source). However I cannot find any citation of her case with Golden being settled, in or out of court. Anyone have some better luck? Travellingcari (talk) 01:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the last paragraph of this article. John Smith's (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: thanks for that! I'll source it in the article now Travellingcari (talk) 19:38, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Citations go after punctuation - not before. Please change them around. John Smith's (talk) 21:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  You guys are making my head spin! ;) I just got told off in another discussion that they're meant to go before and that Wikipedia has no policy per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources -- FWIW, MLA, which I'm most accustomed to uses pre-punctuation http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/557/02/ .  I don't really see that this article has evolved using one form, save for the one you changed, as it wasn't cited at all before. Any reason to change? If there's a good one, I'll do it but I see this getting re-changed again and turning into a mess. Make sense? I'm off on the train for a bit, will touch base back later, I'm not disappearing Travellingcari (talk) 21:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was told they go after - that was by someone who oversees the Featured Article nominations, etc. If you look at a FA article like Japan you will see the result. Seriously, the people who told you they go the other way around either don't know what they're talking about or were having a joke. John Smith's (talk) 22:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry wasn't watching this when I thought I was. Those who advised otherwise cited the same link I did above, where it's pretty much left in the air that it can go either way. I will move the citations here because a) it seems to be important to you and b) there are far more interesting things to debate ;). Happy Friday. Travellingcari (talk) 16:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2008

message: The removal of this long-standing section on Iwasaki should not have been made without discussion and consensus-achieving. Important text and sources were removed by the editor and we need it here. Please start a conversation here first rather than just cut material without even an edit summary - that is essentially vandalism. In the meantime I have reverted. John Smith's (talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I was trying to work that out as well. I was going to rv all three changes but in the middle one the IP appeared to add something. Was trying to do a linexline and didn't get anywhere. I'm inclined to listen to the quacking and call it vandalism. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 22:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanking by IP 98.216.153.130 

message: AGameOf You, was that a joke edit or serious? Because I cannot understand for the life of you why you made it. It was fine as it was, but you made a grammatical mess for... I do not know what reason. I have reverted it accordingly. If you want to change the meaning can you please explain what you want to say here first? That way I might be able to help you write something simpler. John Smith's (talk) 19:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auctioning virginity 

message: This is the correct url from the web archive: <ecode>http://web.archive.org/web/20061116074453/http://timesonline.typepad.com/times_tokyo_weblog/2006/03/the_queen_and_t_1.html</ecode>. My phones browser couldn't handle it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Family Guy Guy (talk • contribs) 16:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrected link for 1st ref in reflist 

message: Guys I'm no specialist on her biography or anything but if she quit at age 29 and her mentor's death that precipitated her retirement was in 1980, then she was either not born in 49 or older when she retired (ノ＞▽＜。)ノ
Source: Basic Arithmetic  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sugar128 (talk • contribs) 10:15, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates not adding up 

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message: So why was the book cover removed? I don't understand what "nonfree book cover in author BLP lede" means. It's fair use, shows the cover of the book written by her - is there anything wrong with that? John Smith's (talk)
:Yes. See Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2017/May#Nonfree book cover on author page. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo).  Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 18:26, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Err, that's a link to a discussion between two editors. Do you have a link and reference to actual Wikipedia policy/guidelines? John Smith's (talk) 19:05, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: They're provided in Seraphimblade's sound comments in that discussion, which you should review carefully rather than dismissing out of hand. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo).  Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 00:33, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I did read the links. But it wasn't clear. It was only reading the NFcontent page a second time and reading one of the references that I saw the comment "The same rationale does not usually apply when the work is described in other articles, such as articles about the author or musician". John Smith's (talk) 19:25, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of book cover 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi all
I noticed that not only were there two separate external links sections, but that the first contained only download links for Mineko Iwasaki's books. Clearly this is copyright infringement. I have removed the links.
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thread_title:  External links modified