Talk:Outcome-based education

message: I just want to point out some simple typographical errors in the first paragraph which I took the liberty to correct for the benefit of the readers. Originally, it reads, "Instead, it requires the students to demonstrate what they have learned the required skills and content." I changed it to, "Instead, it requires the students to demonstrate the skills and course content that they are required to learn." Please feel free to re-edit if this is an error.  Imperator Romanii (talk) 17:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Typographical Errors 

message: I have taken the time this evening to go thru and make a massive clean up of this article. While i've done a fair bit, sections of it are still over the place and it seems to skip from topic to topic. I've also kicked the entire Australia section in the pants as this was just poorly worded and contained significant weasel words. I'd appreciate any further help to make sense of this article. thewinchester 16:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Significant Restructure 

message: Why isn't the failure of OBE in South Africa discussed? The minister said that SA will change from OBE to a traditional curriculum.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.18.183.53 (talk) 00:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes.  Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). WhatamIdoing (talk) 10:02, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: South Africa

message: The following entries recommending cleanup of this article have been moved from Wikipedia:Cleanup/August:
*Outcome-based education has draft/editorial notes lying around in the middle of what is posted finished text and hasn't been touched by anyone since 12.23.2003. ffirehorse
**Not to mention some serious POV problems - opponents are described as "conservative advocates of liberty." Not to be confused with liberal opponents of liberty. --Szyslak
- dcljr 12:59, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup request

message: I removed the link to animal farm since Mr. Orwell's novel doesn't actually have anything to do with OBE.Hegar 08:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal Farm? 

message: Can the article reflect on other examples outside WA where OBE has been implemented (and their satisifactory or unsatisfactory outcomes?).  This article sounds a bit parochial focussing on one state in Australia.
*It's a very big, controversial, current issue in Western Australia, and quite a lot of the article is in the OBE in the USA section so I think there is a good balance, however I would like to see some more information about how it has/hasn't worked other places. If I come across any useful information on this topic I will add it. --Einsidler 16:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Western Australian-centric 

message: I don't think "information rich" accurately conveys the fact that many outcomes-based reporting and assessment documents are written in the most terrible jargon, and therefore are unintelligible to many.This not only includes parents, but teachers and, most disturbingly, the students who have to undertake assessment tasks that are judged according to such frameworks. I feel something needs to be said about this.
*I agree that this particular section needs to get the message across about how complecated the reporting system is, perhaps an example image of an assesment marking sheet would suffice as there aren't any images here yet. I might do that tomorrow if I can be bothered finding and scaning in one of the marking sheets. --Einsidler 16:38, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information-rich reports 

message: The page on Traditional education seems very pro-OBE to me.  I've structured it a bit, but if someone wants to NPOV it, that'd be useful. I doubt I'm a full enough bottle on the thing to do it properly.  
TimNelson 13:22, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with the info comment above.  If you have time to write this, please fix the page in question.  -- TimNelson (talk) 08:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need OBE criticism help on the Traditional Education page 

message: Given the requirements of the several states and of No Child Left Behind, I would expect the list "School districts with education reform based on OBE", if completed, would be unmanagable large, so I removed it. -- Beland 05:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed list 

message: ...is clearly not represented, eg Europe is mentioned once and even then generalized as a single nation. -G3, 14:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find a source that suggests OBE is relevant to any country in Europe, Asia, or Africa?  We could list several random countries as examples of non-OBE educational systems, but a statement like "Countries like India, Russia, and Poland didn't get on this bandwagon" hardly seems relevant or necessary.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worldwide view 

message: This article is quite long, and also has country-specific information scattered through it in a slightly confusing manner. The article would be more readable if the article was organised in terms of 
1. What is OBE?
2. Debate over OBE  (a)Perceived benefits (b)Perceived problems/costs
3. Regions implementing OBE  (a)USA (b)Australia etc.
4. Groups (v. brief list)
5. Links etc.
Each of the "regions" should be short with a link to a seperate article for all USA/Australia/whatever specific info. Groups from different countries can be in each article.
Given that many advocates of both sides of the OBE argument are involved in the writing of content (it seems obvious to me taking a quick look at the article, then maybe its worth trying sift out all the opinion/value based content from the less-disputed parts and put it in a pros/cons sections.
Does this seem like a reasonable plan? Of course easier said than done, long article, contraversial topic :P
--134.115.68.21 13:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but I did it anyway.  There were a few other sections, so I'm leaving them for now.  -- TimNelson (talk) 08:58, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need Rewrite? Country specific vs. OBE as a whole 

message: : "The curriculum will be revamped according to principles of progressive education, sometimes in opposition to, or instead might be based on traditional education with a system of incentives and punishments."
To what does "sometimes in opposition to" refer?  revamping, principles, traditional education?  (SEWilco 17:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  according, opposition, or instead 

message: Why are there two separate points in the article that list criticisms without any clear difference between the reason for the sections?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.183.20 (talk) 05:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  flaw in article structure 

message: I've grouped the material in the Criticism section around a few headings (the table of contents at the top of the article will give the overview).  Now all it needs is for someone to rewrite the individual sections so they make sense.  
-- TimNelson (talk) 08:25, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your work today.  Rearranging all of the sections was the step I was dreading, so it's nice to discover that someone else has done it already.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite? 

message: OBE or, more accurate, a similar concept seems actually to have had a first peak in the 1970s, named Competence-based education, starting in teacher education mostly on behavioristical basis, disseminating in American institutions of higher education with different theoretical orientations (along with behavioristical approaches: holistic, functionalistic). This "movement", as labeled by the editor of a research compendium, Gerald Grant, would not have been spread outside of teacher education "without active promotion from FIPSE" (Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education)  (Gamson, Z. (1979). Understanding the Difficulties of Implementing a Competence-based Curriculum. In G. Grant (Ed.), On Competence. A Critical Analysis of Competence-Based Reforms in Higher Education (S. 224–258). Proquest Info & Learning). Only recently I found this source, and makes me aware of the history of these similar concepts, which are dealing with things like outcome, beeing able to do, usefullness... pointing out just one aspect of OBE, the standardization of outcomes an its measurement seems to be rather in a behavioristical tradition then other approaches like holistic or functionalistic...the history and the comparison of these concepts has to be written, yet...
By the way, I would appreciate any references or sources about programs of comptence-based teacher education in the 1960s!
Tombbb (talk) 15:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of OBE and related concepts 

message: Per the above post, is this essentially a rename of "Competence based education" (CBE)/"Competence based education and training" (CBET)? If so, it was very influential in the UK in the 1980s. It was the founding idea behind National Vocational Qualifications, and there is a substantial academic literature on it. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:54, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship to [[Competence based education]] 

message: Apparently there's a change in Polish legislation governing universities (and younger levels?) from "standards-based" to "efekty kształcenia", which is intended to mean OBE (AFAIK), though because of (i think) ambiguity in Polish (and some other languages) between teaching and learning, it can be literally interpreted as "effects of teaching", even though the intended meaning is "effects of learning". 
There's a claim that this is supposed to be part of the Sorbonne/Bologna process, so if someone wants to do a bit of web-searching, it should be possible to find a standard "Sorbonne/Bologna" definition somewhere in English.
Here's an example of OBE discussion by a Polish academic:
http://forumakademickie.pl/fa/2009/06/interesuja-nas-efekty-ksztalcenia/
The main concrete point i see is that the author says that the proportion of Polish young people studying has increased dramatically, and this makes expecting all students to learn to the same advanced level is unrealistic/unfair in a democracy. i don't really see why that requires OBE. 
Anyway, i'm just putting these hints here for anyone interested in developing the article further. It really has a fundamental flaw right now: if different social actors in different countries have different POVs on what OBE is, and if it means different things in terms of specific legislation and perceptions of what it is, then all of these need to be in the first section of the body as a list of properly WP:RS'd POVs. If that were done, then the other parts of the article could follow according to the various definitions. Otherwise, this article will remain as confusing as the apparently poorly-defined concept of OBE itself is...
Boud (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU/Poland experiment 

message: Rethinking Education > New #EU Outcome Requirements 
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-12-1233_en.htm
The youth unemployment rate is close to 23% across the European Union – yet at the same time there are more than 2 million vacancies that cannot be filled. Europe needs a radical rethink on how education and training systems can deliver the skills needed by the labour market.
Check the list of specified outcome requirements! This is the real McCoy!
84.140.248.241 (talk) 15:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent EU Commission Article was Added 

message: I'm working on this for a class, here are my proposed edits:
	
One section I would like to work on extensively is the section comparing OBE to traditional education. I would like to give the section a neutral point of view by removing some of the bias in the current article favoring OBE and including information that includes comparison to systems of traditional education in the global south. I would also like to extend this section or divide it into subsections (if there are enough resources) that talk about this program at different academic levels, some of my research has shown OBE has been tested in tertiary education, but the article currently only focuses on its implementation at the secondary education level. If there are resources available I would also like a section on primary education.
	A second section I would like to focus my efforts on is the OBE programs section, many of the sections need to be expanded or added. The South Africa section is one sentence that states that South Africa tried OBE, but gives no further details. Also there is not section on Asia, where I know there is some research available. If South or Central America has any resources I would like to add sections for that as well. The Europe section also needs expanding, as it only briefly mentions the EU’s attempt to shift to programs like OBE.
	Other smaller things that I would like to work on for the entire article would include adding citations throughout the article, cleaning up some of the existing links, and adding new useful ones. As well as doing my best to ensure that the article maintains a NPOV throughout. A final goal would be to clear out unnecessary information that would belong in other articles or is simply more information than necessary on the topic.
Kjatczak (talk) 14:55, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good, just be bold and fix it! IBE (talk) 07:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Revisions 

message: In my sand box User:Kjatczak/sandbox I have started working on the OBE Programs section, adding details, and citations to the existing sections. Kjatczak (talk) 01:01, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Updates

message: This article does not make clear what is new about Outcome Based Education. 
Every field of human endeavor requires a focus on outcomes - otherwise it would just be a waste of time. Similarly, any non-ridiculous idea of education acknowledges that a student has to be tested against pre-determined criteria to determine if they have acquired the necessary skills and/or knowledge. This has been going on for millennia - only the subject matter and method of examination change, the central idea is the same. AFAICT it's only lazy teachers and parents of underachieving students who dispute this; everyone else is pleased to have their efforts recognized and rewarded.
Apart from the use of standardized tests, what differentiates an OBE-based education policy from any other kind?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.171.213.61 (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Yes, but what is it?

message: User:kjatczak worked on revisions on this article. User better summarized, added citations, and revised so it more closely meets quality standards. That said, we encourage continued editing of the article to improve it.  Cheers!  Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: User notes, above, that the "what is OBE" section needs work.  Will put flag on it.  Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 00:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed multiple issues template 

message: isues = issues 2605:E000:9149:A600:60D0:33C0:BE27:3A89 (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 12:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2018 

message: May I proposed adding this statement to OBE in the USA:
In the United States, Outcome-Based Education (OBE) has gained popularity in many states. It has a spontaneous appeal that can attract many people. The process requires setting outcomes students are expected to attain. Mentors can teach and repeat lessons in multiple ways provided students meet them. The OBE approach ensures students an education with 42 states engaged in OBE.

Thank you!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by LOBOSKYJOJO (talk • contribs) 03:06, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Edit 

message: In the following paragraph of the "India" section of the article, 
There are products like inpods which are available in India for implementing a culture of outcomes based education for Engineering, Pharmacy, Management programs.
the highlighted word; inpods, is a comercial product that sells software to colleges. Mentioning such  a product in the official wikipedia page for SEO and search ranking purposes is in bad taste. I move a request to remove it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sakhmv (talk • contribs) 12:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  India: Mentioning a private commercial product in the description! 

message: Add line towards the end of the introduction:
Organizations such as the IN4OBE headed by Dr. William Spady support educational institutions globally to align with the paradigm, philosophy and principles of authentic OBE. 
Cite or refer: https://in4obe.org/about-us/ 109.82.128.81 (talk) 05:08, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: No need to mention this company or person ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 11 July 2021