Talk:Nemi ships

message: "The size of these ships was not rivaled until after the Renaissance...", what about the Chinese Treasure ships? --124.82.11.49 11:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That may be correct. I will change the article to- "...not rivaled until the 15 century".- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 11:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: SInce the Archaeology article says the site was destroyed during the German retreat, that's enough to say.  Whether it was a deliberate act of the German army (as stated in Time) or from the American artillery (as alleged in a German editorial referenced in the Archaeology article) is not really important.  (Although I note that at the very least, it was a deliberate act of the German army to set up an artillery battery near the museum.  However, that is my opinion, not something that can used here.)  This is an article about an archaeological site, not an article about German war crimes or German nationalism or Italian pride.  This is not the place for that dispute. Thatcher131 21:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with "possibly on purpose" is that someone could also say "possibly accidental" and both statements have equal support from sources; this is a case where we should avoid weasel words.  Your source is a notation in a museum catalog, which I do not consider definitive in the same way that a scholarly article is.  Apparently there is a German report that blames US artillery and a Time magazine report that blames the Germans--they cancel each other out as far as I am concerned.  The Archaeology article looks to be balanced and neutral, and if the author could have said for sure what happened I'm sure she would have.  At some point we may find a scholarly article that more precisely states what happened but until then I think it is best to leave it undefined.  What this article really needs is a more thorough description of the ships, the artifacts that were found, the technology (suction pump), and so forth.  We don't even have the dimensions, for heavens sake, just "huge".  As far as the archeological importance of the find is concerned, the exact circumstances of the fire are totally uninteresting. Thatcher131 16:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine, perhaps more clear articles or sources will one day emerge.Rex 16:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rest assured that if I was comfortable saying as a fact that the ships were deliberately destroyed by the retreating German army, I would.  What we could do here is describe the ambiguity being fair to both sides, but I think that would give disproportionate weight to the destruction, rather than focusing on the significance of the ships themselves. Thatcher131 17:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's amazing what some people will edit war about 

message: The article, and others that talk about the ships, keep saying how big they are. Ok, so how big are they? How is it that this isn't mentioned? Maury (talk) 03:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soooo, how big? 

message: The official paper of the italian inquiring commission (february 1946)
http://www.museoscienza.org/voci-della-scienza/documento.asp?doc=122#document_open  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.43.198.56 (talk) 19:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here it is 

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message: The Americans said the Germans burned them in retreat and the Germans said the Americans bombed them, but there is a third party not mentioned in your description that may have been responsible. There had apparently been a lot of refugees who were bombed out squatting in the museum cooking their food with open fires. The German officer in charge had evicted them shortly before the bombs arrived. It is theorised that one or  some of them returned and torched the museum.We will never know the truth but this should be included in the "list of suspects". It is documented in Margaret Stenhouse's incredible book "The Goddess of the lake-origins of a myth and the roman ships of Nemi" A chapter of the book, "the fires of war" is dedicated to the events surrounding the destruction of the boats. ISBN978-1-5136-0524-1 This book is a must read for Nemi boat enthusiasts!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.180.16.136 (talk) 03:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who burned the Nemi ships? 

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