Talk:Sean B. Carroll

message: Just letting anyone following this article know that I'm about to work a bit on the page. I'll expand it some and do a full rewrite of it on my sandbox. I will take my time on this. If anyone has any sources or suggestions, please let me know. VdSV9•♫ 19:34, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just done a major update on the page, added a bunch of sources, rewrote major parts, removed some dead links and the such. I noticed someone recently added info about Carroll graduating "phi beta kappa", I didn't use this because (a) I don't think it should be here, and (b) the reference was a Tumblr page. I mean, Tumblr, rlly? Any fixes or suggestions are welcome. VdSV9•♫ 18:53, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expand/Clean up/rewrite 

message: His name is Sean B. Carroll but what name is B is is not given. It would be better if someone improve it. --81.213.215.83 (talk) 04:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for your interest. We're certainly not required to know that sort of thing if people haven't chosen to make it readily available. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is his full name? What does B. correspond to? 

message: Below you will see where proposals from your request have been quoted with reviewer decisions and feedback inserted underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please read the enclosed notes within the proposal review section below for information on each request. 
Furthermore, the table that is proposed to be placed needs to have the approporaite Wikilinks added. Each film which is listed needs to be independently notable, and each award whcih is listed under the Note column needs to have the exact award wikilinked. Regards,  Spintendo  22:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 13-SEP-2023

message: Thanks very much for your review. I’ve provided clarification and addressed the issues you raised.
:1. The full Wikilink of the photo has not been provided.
:The full Wikilink of the photo is provided here:
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:This would be added to the infobox as follows: 
:image = Dr. Sean B. Carroll 2022.jpg
:2. The provided references were not accessible:
:I see the article may ask for an email to access the content if you’ve accessed the site (at no charge) more than their monthly limit on free articles. I’ve included the relevant text for reference below. (The Nautilus link works and has no paywall, but I’ve added an excerpt before anyway.)
:Realscreen 
 Carroll does not come at science documentary strictly as a producer (...) But since establishing Tangled Bank Studios in 2012, and executive producing such acclaimed films as the Emmy winning The Serengeti Rules and Oliver Sacks: His Own Life (...)
:Nautilus
 All That Breathes, produced by HHMI Tangled Bank Studios, a nonprofit arm of the science philanthropy Howard Hughes Medical Institute, represents an evolution in science documentary filmmaking. To attract bigger, younger, and more diverse audiences, producers and directors have moved from science explainers, once the bane of high school science classes, to narrative features filled with human drama. That evolution mirrors Tangled Bank’s own.
 “I’ve really learned how important it is to go for the emotional heart of a story,” says Tangled Bank executive producer Sean B. Carroll, an American evolutionary developmental biologist, author, and the head of HHMI Tangled Bank Studios. “When we find that, we’ve got a qualitatively different film. Great storytellers can elevate a story to something that is both art and science.”
:3. The Wikilink provided for the Emmy awards is the link to the overall awards themselves. Please provide the Wikilink for the Emmy award specified in the proposed text.
:I have revised the sentence to include the Wikilink for the category of Emmy won by the film. Please note that editors have not added a table for winners of the award to the Wikipedia page, though anyone could easily do so. There’s an entire page dedicated to the News and Documentary Emmy awards for the following year. Here it is:
::Carroll was an executive producer of The Farthest, a film about the Voyager program, which won the Emmy in 2018 for outstanding science and technology documentary. 
:4. Please provide the Wikilink for the film Race for the Vaccine.
:The film Race for the Vaccine doesn't yet have a Wikipedia page, but it's a noteworthy film in his career that was commissioned by the BBC and CNN, and aired on both networks. As you know, not every fact on a Wikipedia page must itself be notable. WP:NOTEWORTHY Here, there is reliable source,  and, using GAs from other executive producers as an example, I see that some reliably sourced films without Wikipedia pages are included on the pages as statements and in the filmography tables. Please see: Stephen Hillenburg, Dan Gilroy, and  Roberto Orci. This page about Sean Carroll is also a Good Article, so should lean toward being especially thorough. Here is the proposed text again:
:As the head of studio, Carroll led 2020 production of Race for the Vaccine; a film about the COVID-19 vaccine commissioned by CNN and the BBC
:5. The proposed text states "won the best documentary award at Cannes". Please provide the Wikilink for this award.
;Here is the revised sentence with the requested Wikilink to best documentary award which names the film:
::Carroll was an executive producer of the 2022 Oscar-nominated documentary All That Breathes; which won the best documentary award at  the Cannes Film Festival and  the Sundance Film Festival.
:6. It's not clear what is meant by "head of".
:Carroll’s official title at HHMI is “Head of Studio” as verified in this  and  
studio website I initially didn’t include the full title because the word studio would then be repeated twice, but I see your point and I have re-drafted it as follows:
:Sean B. Carroll (born September 17, 1960) is an American evolutionary developmental biologist, author, educator and the head of studio at HHMI Tangled Bank Studios.
:I suggest adding a second source, , to the body of the article to further verify his role:
::As the head of studio at HHMI Tangled Bank Studios, …. 
:7.The proposed text states "he was the executive producer" when in fact he was one of the executive producers. Text added to the article needs to be as accurate as possible.
:Good catch. Here is the revised sentence:
::Carroll was one of the executive producers of the 2022 Oscar-nominated documentary All That Breathes; which won the best documentary award at  the Cannes Film Festival and  the Sundance Film Festival.
:8. For Request #9, the expanded Filmography table. I’ve revised it below to eliminate a couple of films with only weak or primary sources. I also added a Wikilink to pages where the films are  included on lists of award winners.
:But I do include a couple noteworthy films without Wikilinks because, as noted in my comments above, not every reliably sourced fact on a page needs to be notable. WP:NOTEWORTHY. It is  standard practice to include films without Wikipedia pages into GA filmographies like these:  Stephen Hillenburg, Roberto Orci, Dan Gilroy. This article is also a GA and efforts should be made for it to be equally thorough. I know there is a policy that says certain types of list pages may consist only of notable items, but this table is not a list page. Here is the revised table:
Filmography
Executive producer
Year	Title                       	Note                                                                                                    	
2017	The Farthest                	Emmy award, Outstanding science and technology documentary                                              	
2018	The Serengeti Rules         	Emmy award, Best nature documentary                                                                     	
2019	Oliver Sacks: His Own Life  	                                                                                                        	
2020	Nature’s Fear Factor        	Emmy award-nominated, Best nature Documentary                                                           	
2021	Race for the Vaccine        	                                                                                                        	
2021	My Garden of a Thousand Bees	Emmy award, Best nature documentary;  Wildscreen Golden Panda award                                     	
2022	All That Breathes           	Academy award-nominated, Best Documentary, Cannes Film Festival, Best Documentary Sundance Film Festival	
Many thanks for your time spent on the review. W12SW77 (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Clarifications 6-OCT-2023

message: *With regards to the issue of  I'm afraid that this description is not very informative, as I stated earlier, there is no Wikipedia page for the description of someone who "runs a company" (which is not an official description). That is more of a euphemism for other, more established labels like president, CEO, etc. 
*With regards to your lead section proposed additions, they contains citations, which are not usually placed in the lead section. Items placed in the lead section should be found elsewhere in the article with their references. My suggestion for adding this text would be to give a description of where in the article the text and reference(s) exist that would verify the information that you'd like to place into the lead. An example: 
 LEAD SECTION REFERENCING 
Text from the proposedLead section                                    	Text as it already appearsWithin the article
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*The table above shows the text you'd like to add to the lead section placed next to the passage of text in the already-existing article, along with the verifying reference. That way, it's clear that the text added to the lead section without citation tags is already handled elsewhere in the article, and thus, can be easily implemented by myself or another reviewing editor.
*With regards to the text I supposedly removed, the link you've provided was not instructive. Please use  instead, and advise. Thank you!
Regards,  Spintendo  02:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 31-OCT-2023

message: : I appreciate your continued feedback on edits to this page.
1.Here is the table you requested.
 LEAD SECTION REFERENCING 
Text from the proposedLead section                                                                                                               	Text as it already appearsWithin the article
Awards-winning films he has produced include Emmy-winning The Farthest and The Serengeti Rules, as well as the Oscar-nominated All That Breathes.	A.  For  the film The Farthest, you can find the reference in the Career section, third paragraph, Here is the sentence: Carroll was an executive producer of The Farthest, a film about the Voyager program, which won the Emmy in 2018 for outstanding science and technology documentary. 
B.  For the film All that Breathes, you can find the reference in the Career section, third paragraph. Here is the sentence: Carroll was an executive producer of the 2022 Oscar-nominated documentary All That Breathes, which won the best documentary award at  the Cannes Film Festival.
C. For the film The Serengeti Rules , the film is in the second row of the Filmography  table at the bottom of the page: 2018 The Serengeti Rules  Emmy award, Best nature documentary
2. Here is the diff where you removed content from the article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_B._Carroll&diff=prev&oldid=1179234469
Again, this content was in the article the day it became a Good Article. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sean_B._Carroll&diff=prev&oldid=1059003925. These are major awards in his field.   I would request you add this back into the Awards section as the first three sentences in the Awards section. 
Many thanks for your time spent on the review. W12SW77 (talk) 17:33, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 1 DEC 2023

message: #  The claim concerning the award winning films was added to the lead section. Thank you for providing that information.
#  The claim concerning the non-notable awards was not added. By their very nature, awards can be subjective, in that they represent a very specific point of view: that of the individual or organization which determines who wins the award and why. To counter this, a good practice is to limit the listing of awards to only those which are independently notable in Wikipedia. What the reviewer is asking for here is not due to WP:N (which is not a content requirement). The request for notability in this case is to ensure WP:NPOV. The adding of several points of view to an article in the form of listings of awards can skew the article's balance. Thus, this reviewer's own practice is to limit the listing of awards to those which are independently notable in Wikipedia. There is also WP:NOTDIRECTORY, which states the following under No.6:  Where it says "but not limited to", I take this to include the listing of awards as well, even to awards received by an individual in the scope of their work. That section goes on to state what to do when an attempt is made to include that information in the article, and while this particular wording speaks to pricing, I think it applies well to awards: 
*I understand that there are other editors who take a more liberal view on awards being mentioned, but I believe all editors have some breaking point where they may feel reluctant to add additional awards that an individual has received. My breaking point is very conservative. To add this information about the Shaw Scientist award, please provide the Wikilink. You are free to seek additional editors views in order to add the information, and I will accept consensus if this is to add the information. Thank you!
Regards,  Spintendo  00:30, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 1-DEC-2023