Talk:Dominican Republic/RacialSelfIdentification debate

message: Remember 
:Chill out!
Lets avoid 
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Lets also note that the section was brought back by an administrator. 
Due to complaints, I made the sections different.    UnclePaco (talk) 03:52, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

message: The reference states that 90% of dominicans are black and mulattoes. The current statement on the page states only partial information based on the supplied reference.
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0094-582X(199805)25%3A3%3C126%3ATTOBSI%3E2.0.CO%3B2-W
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimmyjones1122 (talk • contribs) 
:I've since redone the sourcing on that and included both the CIA factbook statistics and the CUNY study. Hopefully this is an acceptable compromise.--Rosicrucian 19:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited the demographics section 

message: This a first, im Dominican born and I can't find anywhere in my documents where it says my race. What someone put was skin color, that where we use color like trigeno and so. This Anti-Dominican know so much that something i can't find where ceduala or passport  says race. This article everyday turning more and more to pure garbage.  Haitian made article talking about DR, I know there anti-Dominican propagana going only cause Haiti mess up there country and now what turn DR to a desert..like Haiti is (Al Gore documentary for those that wanna know where I got my info from) AvFnx 00:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: with a nation that has a large mixed population, sometimes race may be ambiguous.  The Dominican population does have a history of racial issues especially in the light of Antihaitianismo.  The United Nations which supports human rights has had some issues with the lack of human rights that are given to some Haitians by the government of Dominican Republic.  I don't understand why you seem to have such issues with Haiti.  You don't see Puerto Rican's treating Dominican's or even talking about Dominincan's half as bad as you talk about Haitians.   You are on the same island with a porous border.  You are the same people, separated by government, and sometimes language.  The island was ruled 100% for a time by Spain, 100% for a time by France, 100% for a time by the Taino's, 100% of the time by Haiti.  It's like some of the issues you might see within African American culture.  The whole debate about color complex.   It was government propaganda.  It was a method of keeping the poor happy because you were considered to be at least better than the "haitians."  You are proud that you are "lighter or whiter" than the Haitians? Slavery was  You think 95% of haitians are african looking.  Guess again, http://www.haitixchange.com/article_0023.asp!  Haitian's are as light as they come and as dark as they come.  Same thing as in the Dominican Republic.  Jean-Claude Duvalier is as light as your current president fernandez.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4253674.stm . Raoul Cédras another leader in Haiti 
would also be considered to be near white in Dominican culture http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/940000/images/_942489_raoul_cedras300elvisap.jpg .   Haitian revolutionary and general André Rigaud was mulatto .  The mulatto's were the one's who liberated Haiti   look up Alexandre Pétion.   General Jean-Pierre Boyer the Haitian President who unified or invaded the colony of Santo Domingo was mulatto as well.   . So it wasn't the "blacks haitians" who invaded Dominican Republic it was the mulatto haitians!  Haiti is as mixed as the Dominican Republic.  The difference is that Haiti recognizes it's culture.  The Dominican Republic is well documented to be in denial of it.  Ideology is what kept many down and continues to keep many people down.  64.131.205.111 08:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: First of this article not turning to Puerto Rico article, there not documentary that trying destroy Dominican Republic economy from PR. I don't deny my African roots. I'm more proud of my African roots then Spain roots. How can't you be proud of African roots when African control the world culture. Merengue base African music (controls Dominican Culture) , Hip Pop was started by African decedents. I think your book smart but you buying in to much in to this propaganda. Listen to Rap Local (Mi Cultura) and you see Dominicans are proud there African roots. I got nothing against Haitian people but I'm not going have going let this Dominican defamation go on uncheck. Wouldn't you have a problem someone burning the flag of you country, especially when you Catholic and the flag has the bible, and the cross...and then saying i want your citizenship as they doing do that. Well for one thing Haiti not as mixed as DR, but I do agree with there the White elites like DR (that don't really care about the country), there mulatto, and pure African decedents. Haiti and DR do share lot things in common, but if they would stay one country DR would have been in the same state that Haiti is in. I don't know where Haiti recognizes there culture when they praise there French culture more, and claim that better then Spanish of DR, while been in DR...you book smart, i see things for my own eyes. Back to the real argument DR doesn't  classified it people by race so there goes you argument, and Dominican don't deny there African roots, if it did then Merengue wouldn't exist. Dominicans Don't hate Haitians Dominicans have been rule by Haitian president or voted for one; from past President to Pena Gomez I don't see where the HATE ideology at yes you can bring 100 article but the fact of the matter go to DR and really see what goes on,  go to Dominican Colleges and you see there lots of Haitian in DR, rich one too... if it was like you said they would go else where. AvFnx 10:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Keep doing the good work in fighting this antidominicanismo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.181.129 (talk • contribs) 
Puerto Ricans could never talk bad about Dominicans because they used to migrate our island in large quantities in the late 1800's and early 1900's...Infact the only reason we leave to puerto rico is to use it as a bridge to get to the United States..Only like 25% of the ones that reach Puerto Rico actually stay there!69.118.48.94 21:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Racial identity issues 

message: That trying playing as news...seem to one sided to be considered a good source AvFnx 22:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why don't you read it in Spanish, anything that are translated then to loss it meaning. What make a good source is a source that comes from plave that can be trusted, other wise it only people thoughts. If you can use any "source" i the internet then how good of a source is that. The internet is full   of people thoughts and nothing wrong with that, but when people take that as facts that whole different issue AvFnx 08:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This not a good source  

message: Dominican Americans--like many other Hispanics--often shun the rigid racial model prevalent in U.S. society and instead view themselves as racially mixed, neither white nor black, nor other single race  . Since 1980, the Census Bureau has asked U.S. residents to classify their race separately from their Hispanic origin, if any. In 1990, 29.2% of Dominican Americans responded that they were white, while 30% considered themselves black. A plurality chose the "other" category--39.8% of the total.Rodriguez, Carla E. Changing Race: Latinos, the Census, and the History of Ethnicity in the United States, New York University Press 2000, p. 9 The prevalence of the "other race" category probably reflects the large number of people with mixed African, European  and Amerindian ancestry, usually grouped under the folk term indio in the Dominican Republic (73% of the  bitches Dominicans are mixed European, African, and Taino Amerinidan descent). In the United States, they often define their racial identity in ethnic terms--that is, based on their national origin--or in pan-ethnic terms, such as Hispanics or Latinos (the self-titles used by a small percentage of Dominican Americans whom lived or their parents lived in the US before 1960, as the majority of Dominicans with a solely national self-title "(Nuyo) Dominican Yorks" and kiss ass "Puerto-Dominicans" arrived later). Thus, Dominican Americans contest the country's traditionally narrow view on race by expanding the number of possible racial categories or pressing for the public recognition of racially mixed persons ( Dominican Americans are both mulatto and mestizo). At any rate, the current system of racial classification in the United States does not capture well the multiracial Hispanic experience in general, as recent research suggests.US Census Bureau 1996
from Dominican American 
seem to be a better one then the one in Dominican Republic page. It only a thought AvFnx 06:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The trouble is, you did a full copy and paste of this section, and it is written with a direct focus on Dominican Americans, not Dominicans in general. It will need to be edited before it can be put in. You didn't even edit out the references to the United States or the words "Dominican American." I've reverted it as it doesn't really belong in the Dominican Republic artmatticle in that current wording.--RosicrucianTalk 01:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree w/ you, I actually haven't had the time to edit it. But for the record the American meaning people born in USA is something not many people in Latin American agree with...they say the American as well AvFnx 01:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-identification