Talk:List of Atlantic–Pacific crossover hurricanes

message: My first thing is that this might exist better as a catagory rather than a list but thats just my opinion. If this is to be kept I was suggest that instead of having month that you actually have the dates the storms were active.Seddon69 (talk) 22:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a bit of a helping hand

message: #Add missing ones. There's at least one Atlantic-Pacific crossovers that is not included.
##The two missing ones are Hurricane 4 of 1876 and Hurricane 4 of 1911, counting only ones that originated in the Atlantic. I'm going to add them. Done.
#Is it really necessary to have Pacific-Atlantic crossovers here in a list of Atlantic-Pacific crossover hurricanes? To me, the title implies that all systems here went from the Atlantic to the Pacific. If we insist on having ones that came from the Pacific, all missing ones should be included; see the appropriate section in List of Pacific hurricanes.
#The statement that the info comes from the Atlantic best track is not quite true. Based on reading the appropriate portions and on string searches for "Douglas", "Miriam", "Cosme", "Orlene", and "Olivia", I conclude that those storms are not in the Atlantic best track. This hence shows why the info cannot be only from the Atlantic best track.
#A track map of the crossover systems, once a scope is agreed on, would probably be the best picture.
#It would probably be good to split the pressure and winds tables into one column per basin.
#Something is wrong with the columns in the windspeed table.
Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 22:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice, keep it up. I think Pacific should be included, despite the title (and I think the title makes sense, since most came from the Atlantic). Yea, splitting pressure and winds would be fine. Should we have an impact table, once we have all of the storms? I could help with that. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:46, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the two missing Pacific ones. (Simone-Inga was left to the last prose section, as were two depressions: Tropical Storm 1 in 1965 and Hurricane 4 in 1902. I didn't include them in the tables because Debby, Gert, and Anita [which were named in the Atlantic but depressions in the Pacific]) aren't. And yes, an impact section of some sort (not necessarily a table) would work well. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 23:49, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Debby, Gert, and Anita apparently crossed as tropical cyclones (which seems to be supported by the best track), so they would be more applicable to this list than Alma and Cosme, which did not. Potapych (talk) 15:20, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: To do

message: Should we add Hurricane Ernesto (2012) as a crossover cyclone in the section "Other storms"? As it regenerated into Tropical Storm Hector, I don't see why not. 71.236.137.84 (talk) 03:02, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems logical to me. Marbles1136 (talk) 04:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hurricane Ernesto 

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message: Somewhat late (actually very considering it was over 7 months ago lol), but can someone please update the tracking map to include Otto? --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 21:53, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only add Otto, but re-do it since there are many storms that were left out from this map (Hermine, Anita, etc).   if not asking too much, could you guys make a new one to have only the systems that are cited in the article? ABC paulista (talk) 22:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

text: Bumping since its been a month and nothing has been done. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 16:06, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: The second list is about systems that crossed from one ocean to another but aren't considered crossovers because they never redeveloped, so why Tropical Storm Larry shouldn't be in the list if it meets such criteria? None of the storms in the second list are officially crossovers. ABC paulista (talk) 22:01, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Didn't make it across as a tropical cyclone nor lead to the formation of one, so I agree with its exclusion. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:47, 20 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, the section does let open the inclusion of such cases when "tropical cyclones develop and enter another basin briefly or at a weak intensity, but aren't recognized as an Atlantic-Pacific crossover", which is Larry's case. ABC paulista (talk) 00:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: In the case of Larry, it wasn't a tropical cyclone in the Eastern Pacific. It was a remnant low by that time, which is explicitly stated in the tropical cyclone report. Allowing the inclusion non-developing remnants opens an extremely large door with tropical waves from systems that dissipate in the open Atlantic/Caribbean. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 00:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I slighly disagree. Yes, Larry made it to EPAC as a remnant low, but that's what "entering another basin at a weak intensity" means: Systems that crossed from one ocean to another but never redeveloped as a fully tropical system, staying as remnant lows, post-tropical, open waves/throughs, etc. About the "opening the door", while I do agree that it can be an issue, I can't recall many cases of such, so I don't think it would be a problem. ABC paulista (talk) 00:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second list 

message: Simone maybe formed from Hattie's remments, Inga maybe formed from Simone's remments. Thingofme (talk) 04:17, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Simone was reanalyzed to have not been a tropical cyclone so there is no longer a crossover event related to those three systems. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:43, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Even before the reanalysis, there were many uncertanties regarding the veracity of possible crossover. At least it was never an official one per NHC. ABC paulista (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hattie-Simone-Inga (1961)

message: Hey, the text are great but you forgot tropical storm amanda, in 2020, the storm crossed from pacific to atlantic and became tropical storm Cristobal. Please add that later. 2804:214:884A:8FFD:C839:DA7:9F90:3926 (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: – Amanda 2020 is a case of "formed in one basin, dissipated, and its remnants re-developed in the other" and thus not considered an Atlantic-Pacific crossover by the NHC. That is why it is listed in the "Other storms" section. Drdpw (talk) 15:24, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

text: Amanda's low-level circulation disspated over land and Cristobal formed from its remnants, so they were distinct systems. ABC paulista (talk) 16:30, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tropical storm amanda