Talk:Coverb

message: The content covering Converbs was moved away from here. Discussion at Talk:Converb#Wrong Phenomenon. --Latebird (talk) 13:26, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I will get around to fixing this up at some stage, but I'm considerably busier now than I was when I requested the split. jangari - ngili-ma 00:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverb vs. Converb 

message: :Topic moved here from Talk:Converb after split. --Latebird (talk) 15:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverb 

message: :Topic moved here from Talk:Converb after split. --Latebird (talk) 15:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not that proficient with coverbs, but according to the Hauptseminar on complex predication in which I took part, your examples should qualify as coverbial. But so should auxiliary items in much less grammaticalized constructions, say, "Ich komme helfen", "Ich gehe schwimmen". I don't know whether this is more widespread in German, but familiar languages such as Turkish, Japanese, Manchu and Mongolian use auxiliaries not only for spatiality, but for modality (probability), aktionsart (begin, end, completion, duration), Konativ etc., usually connecting a main verb marked with a semantically weak converbial suffix with the auxiliary that would then take the finite marking. I presented items of one of these languages in the course and they were recognized as coverbs. As far as I understand it, "coverb" is only one fine, new label for one phenomenon that is quite common across languages, and I'm not sure if there is much insight to be gained by grouping several similar-looking phenomenons under it. G Purevdorj (talk) 22:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coverbs in Swiss German??? 

message: :Note: the following treatment is based upon one single source and is not in accordance with contemporary linguistics of Hungarian. The particle concerned is usually named verbal prefix, rather than coverb, since it has nothing to do with verbs, but it is related to adverbs. See more under Hungarian verbs.
Coverbs in Hungarian provide these roles:  
* additional information about how a verb is executed
* showing the completeness of an action
* a role that is similar to changing the grammatical aspect of a verb
* changing the meaning of a verb to something more idiomatic
=== Execution information ===
Coverbs can provide small information that would be performed by such English words as "up", "down", "away", "out".
For example,
*megyek - I go .... elmegyek - I go away
*lép - s/he steps .... belép - S/he enters (literally: steps in)
They are often used with a noun case that is similar to the coverb:
*belép a boltba - S/he enters the shop (literally: steps in(to))
*felugrik az asztalra - S/he jumps up onto the table
*átmegyek Dánielhez - I go over to Daniel's
===Completion of an action===
Some coverbs, notably ki-, el- and meg-, can express that an action has been finished.
*Olvasta a könyvet  = S/he read the book
*Elolvasta a könyvet = S/he has finished the book (literally: read away)
===Aspect===
The coverb meg- can change the meaning of a verb in a way that's very similar to changing the aspect of an English verb.  It changes verbs in a way that's similar to turning "I am eating an apple" into "I am eating up an apple" or turning "I'll be eating an apple" into "I'll eat (up) an apple".
===Idiomatic meaning===
A coverb can change the meaning of a verb into something more idiomatic, even something quite unexpected:
*ad  - give
*elad  - sell
(Note: "Elad" is not, as the literal meaning might imply, "give away".)
===Splitting of coverbs===
A coverb can split from the verb and change its position in the sentence to express emphasis.  Generally, the word being emphasised will precede the conjugated verb and be at the start of the sentence/phrase, and if the verb is not the focus then the coverb must detach and move to a position that reflects that it is not the most important part.
*Felugrik az asztalra - S/he jumps up onto the table (neutral)
*Az asztalra ugrik fel - S/he jumps up onto the table (it is the table onto which he jumps)
Note how the part before the verb (the table) is in focus, and to the coverb has been demoted to behind the verb. 
*Felugrik az asztalra - S/he jumps up onto the table
A coverb will split from the infinitive verb when a conjugated verb modifies it:
*mondani - to say
*elmondani - to tell
*el akarok mondani neked valamit - I want to tell you something
This link was given in External links, but it's an incorrect classification of this phenomenon:
*HungarianReference.com section on Hungarian coverbs
Adam78 (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Coverb" in Hungarian (the part about about another, unrelated phenomenon moved here) 

message: A coverb can split from the verb and change its position in the sentence to express emphasis.  Generally, the word being emphasised will precede the conjugated verb and be at the start of the sentence/phrase, and if the verb is not the focus then the coverb must detach and move to a position that reflects that it is not the most important part.
*Felugrik az asztalra - S/he jumps up onto the table (neutral)
*Az asztalra ugrik fel - S/he jumps up onto the table (it is the table onto which he jumps)
Note how the part before the verb (the table) is in focus, and to the coverb has been demoted to behind the verb. 
*Felugrik az asztalra - S/he jumps up onto the table
A coverb will split from the infinitive verb when a conjugated verb modifies it:
*mondani - to say
*elmondani - to tell
*el akarok mondani neked valamit - I want to tell you something
This link was given in External links, but it's an incorrect classification of this phenomenon:
*HungarianReference.com section on Hungarian coverbs
Adam78 (talk) 21:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting of coverbs

message: Why do you always use traditional Chinese characters? This is not standardly used anymore in PRC. Yes, Chinese is also used in Taiwan, but why would you then use a sentence such as "I go from Shanghai to Beijing by aircraft."? Moreover you used 从 in the text and 從 in the example. Very confusing.--77.1.188.120 (talk) 04:04, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Traditional Chinese 

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