Talk:Marc Hauser

message: Expert on Morality Is on Leave After Research Inquiry 
Inquiry on Harvard Lab Threatens Ripple Effect 
I mention these news articles about Marc Hauser, with links, on this talk page solely to alert other editors to the need to check for  reliable sources for this article. If an article is withdrawn from a published journal, it is no longer a reliable source. I visited talk pages of articles that cite Hauser after doing a Google search restricted to Wikipedia. You can find news articles about the current investigation of Hauser by doing a Google news search. That's all. I make no conclusions about Hauser, but thought that editors who work on articles who cite his writings might want to be aware of this.  Reliable sources are always important on Wikipedia. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 14:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article withdrawn, author under investigation. 

message: First off, I came here to learn about the case. I know nothing about it other than what I've read here, and one content-free mention elsewhere. I am not taking sides. I don't know what happened. I do, however, want wikipedia articles to stick to reasonable standards of quality. I removed the following sentence: "This run-in stands at odds, however, with the fact that Hauser trained a large number of students in the field of animal cognition and moral psychology, many of whom have gone on to careers as professors at major universities (see Educational achievements above). " It is inapproprate for a wikipedia article: unsourced, original research. It also doesn't make any sense: whether his students got good jobs says nothing at all about accusations made by some of his students. A student challenging a professor is a seriously risky thing to do. It also says nothing at all about whether or not he engaged in scientific misconduct.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fitzhugh (talk • contribs) 18:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed sentence from Additional Allegations section

message: Can somebody add some detail to this guy's early life - the Wiki article starts with his getting his undergraduate degree at Bucknell.  Also, what religion was this guy brought up under?  Thanks in advance to anybody who knows.86.151.43.76 (talk) 09:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it common in the en.wiki to mention a person's religion when it has no obvious relevance for his/her biography? 62.152.162.199 (talk) 13:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Common? Yes. Guideline/policy compliant? Not so sure. I know that WP:BLPCAT makes note that categories should not be added unless the person has both self identified and it has some significance. This is not followed at all it seems. In a "well written" bio, it seems that family "backgrounds" usually cover religion as well as ethnicity. Is there some problem with that? I would say that in 90% of bios, the person's religion has zero significance to their notability, ect, however, to answer your question again, probably 90% of bios do seem to cover this aspect of a person's life, especially "fully" written bios, ie, famous persons/presidents, ect. --Threeafterthree (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, if you would take the time to read the Wiki entry, at the bottom it has a link "Morality without religion".  Duh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.151.43.76 (talk) 15:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, what is your point? --Threeafterthree (talk) 14:58, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

text: His religion and ethnicity are both irrelevant to the cause for his notability.  Any connection to a religion or ethnicity can only serve to provide a guilt-by-association with his notoriety.  What would the reader learn or take-away if told that Hauser is a Moslem, a Jew, a Baptist, or an atheist? ChronHigherEdReader (talk) 13:39, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Early life

message: It seems that this is material/size of is undue weight in relation to the rest of the bio. I am not trying to discount it or defend it, ect, but wonder if it could be "scaled back". These type of things always seem to take on a life/size/importance of their own :) Anyways, --Threeafterthree (talk) 15:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The usual bloat happened. We wrote about some things in summary style, people disagreed with the summary, and only a painstakingly detailed narrative would satisfy both sides. As far as I'm concerned, it's far from clear that Hauser's lasting notability in the scientific community at large, and hence to history, won't be because of his fraud. Eminent scientists are a couple dozen a generation, but chaired professors at world-class institutions who are caught fabricating data are extremely rare, usually no more than one or two a decade. Such are the dynamics of being caught in a scandal - it's extremely unkind to the perpetrator, but we didn't make these rules, and it's a certainty that the vast majority of the press coverage and commentary on Hauser deal with the scandal. RayTalk 15:23, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Misconduct material again

message: I think the picture in this article should be removed. I suppose its purpose is to identify Hauser, but you can hardly see him in it. It is not a substitute for a proper image of Hauser, and its presence in the article probably makes it less likely that one will be added.
In addition, I think parts of the sections discussing Hauser's alleged scientific misconduct are inappropriate and should be removed, specifically: "This disagreement between Altmann and the reporter over what Altmann said seems curious but one should note that the reporter, Nicolas Wade, is not a disinterested party. His books, such as The Faith Instinct, heavily cite Hauser's work and thus Wade presumably has a stake in Hauser being innocent." That doesn't seem to have a source, and it's inappropriate writing for an encyclopedia for all kinds of reasons, most of which I trust should be obvious. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 22:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article issues 

message: The Boston Globe published a news article today "Former Harvard professor Marc Hauser fabricated, manipulated data, US says" detailing the federal report Findings of Research Misconduct about Marc Hauser. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 10:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh my. MastCell Talk 18:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Sources Published 

message: The article as it stands contains very little about the man but a great deal about his misconduct.   What's even worse is that the misconduct issues are neither contextualized nor specified - except for the Tamirn tapes, which are described in the misconduct section and then again in detail in a dedicated subsection of a second section that contains almost exactly the same information as the first!  Many of the references are no longer available and/or are merely news stories.  Either the man is worth a biographic article on wikipedia or he is not.  If he is then the article should contained a BALANCED biography, made up in the usual manner, personal life, academic career, published papers and awards, books etc, controversy, and so on.  If this is not that article then it should be renamed as simply The Hauser Scandal or added to another page called "Academic scandals".  LookingGlass (talk) 08:49, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-title/merge with Hauser Misconduct article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I have reverted the good faith removal, by Bilby, of a citation to Retraction Watch. Previous discussions at WP:BLPN, WP:RSN, and elsewhere have established that Retraction Watch is a reliable source, and not a SPS. In an effort to reach consensus here, please provide comment(s) about my reversion. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 01:14, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Retraction Watch was founded in 2010 as a Wordpress blog, and at that stage it was very much an SPS. They had a lot of success and tried different attempts at funding, (initially donations, which created problems with conflicts of interest, and then a store). In 2013 they picked up a publisher, FutureOfCapitalism.com, and in late 2013 they started asking for donations again with the money going into a blind trust maintained by FutureoOfCapitalism.  In 2014 they founded The Center For Scientific Integrity and gained a large grant, and through this they were able to hire an editor. Thus prior to 2013 they were a self-published blog, and after 2013/2014 this changed. Currently we use Retraction Watch twice. Once is as a source for the existence of a book - however, it is not a good source, as it came out before the book was released (we would be much better to use one that confirms that the book was released, rather than that it was intended to be published). That one was from 2013. The second is to provide a source that an article was retracted. That was from 2010, when Retraction Watch was a self published blog. However, we also have a second source in the Boston Globe, which was unquestionably reliable. Given that we shouldn't be using an SPS in a BLP, and that Retraction Watch was an SPS in 2010, it seems best to me just to use the very good Boston Globe article as a source. - Bilby (talk) 00:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that WP:BLPSPS doesn't permit the use of self published sources, Retraction Watch in 2010 was self published (even though it is not now), and that we have a good existing source, I'm inclined to remove the use of Retraction Watch as a source for the claim that Hauser's paper in Cognittion was retracted, and  use the Boston Globe article upon which the Retraction Watch piece was based. I'm also inclined to add the Psychiatric Times article, as they quote the editor of Cognition in regard to whether there were issues with Hauser's role there. That way we cover the same core material as Retraction Watch provided while still remaining compliant with BLP. - Bilby (talk) 14:02, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems fair to me. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 12:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Consensus 

message: Hello, respected Editors. I have a conflict of interest with Marc Hauser hence this edit request.
* In Introduction Part 
It presently says: 
Marc D. Hauser (born October 25, 1959) is an American evolutionary biologist and a researcher in primate behavior,  animal cognition and human behavior found guilty of fabricated and falsified data.
Need to change to:
Marc D. Hauser (born October 25, 1959) is an American evolutionary biologist and a researcher in primate behavior,  animal cognition and human behavior and neuroscience, and an educator who teaches undergraduate and graduate students, as well K-12 children with disabilities. 
Also add this part: Hauser was a professor at Harvard University from 1992- 2011. In 2012, Hauser started consulting with schools that focus on children with disabilities, including those with emotional disabilities due to trauma.  In 2013, Hauser started the company Risk-Eraser, providing consulting and software solutions to schools that specialize in helping  students with disabilities. 
Reason for the change: The present works and engagement of Hauser aren't found anywhere in the article. His misconduct has been discussed in details later in the article. 
References supporting change: 
https://www.risk-eraser.com
https://www.risk-eraser.com/ourteam
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/9/27/mark-hauser-publishes-book/
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/back-from-the-blacklist-37519
* Add a new section Publications 
add the following:
Hauser's publications since leaving Harvard University and creating the company Risk-Eraser, LLC.
Hauser, M.D. (2013). Cognition: phylogeny, adaptation, and by-products. In: Princeton Guide to Evolution (ed. J. Losos). Princeton, Princeton University Press.
Berwick, R.C Hauser, MD & Tattersall, I (2013).  Neanderthal language? Just-so stories take center stage. Frontiers in Language Sciences 4:1-2.
Watumull, J, Hauser, MD & Berwick, RC (2014). Comparative evolutionary approaches to language: on theory and methods. Biolinguistics 8: 120-129.
Watumull, J., Hauser, MD, Roberts, IG & Hornstein, N (2014).  On recursion.  Frontiers in Language Sciences 4: 1-7.
Watumull, J, & Hauser, MD (2014). Conceptual and empirical problems with game theoretic approaches to language evolution. Frontiers in Psychology 5: 1-4.
Hauser, MD, Yang, C., Berwick, RC, Tattersall, I., Ryan, M., Watumull, J, Chomsky, N & Lewontin, RC (2014). The mystery of language evolution. Frontiers in Language Sciences 5(401): 1-12.
Hauser, MD (2016). Challenges to the what, when, and why?  Review of Berwick and Chomsky's “Why only us.”  Biolinguistics 10: 1-5.
Arutyunova, K.R., Alexandrov, Y.I. and Hauser, M.D. (2016).  Sociocultural influences on moral judgments: East-West, Male-Female, and Young-Old.  Frontiers in Psychology, 7: 1-15.
Hauser, M.D. (2017).  The essential and inter-related components of an evidence-based IEP:  a user’s guide. Teaching Exceptional Children, JULY/AUGUST, 420-428.
Hauser, M.D & Watumull, J. (2017).  The universal generative faculty:  the source of our expressive power in language, mathematics, morality, music and technology. Journal of Neurolinguistics: Special Issue on Evolution 43: 78-94.
Hauser, M.D., Berwick, R.C., Watumull, J. and Chomsky, N. (2016). Dogs process associations, not lexical or prosodic information.  Science, September 13, 2016, online. 
Hauser, M.D. (2017).  Of mice and men, nature and nurture, and a few red herrings. Commentary on "The evolution of general intelligence." Behavioral and Brain Sciences 40.
Hauser, M.D. (2018). The mind of a goal achiever: Using mental contrasting and implementation intentions to achieve better outcomes in general and special education.  Mind, Brain and Education 12(3): 102-109.
Hauser, M.D. (2019).  Patience!  Assessing and strengthening self-control.  Frontiers in Psychology 4(25): 1-8.
Froesel, M., Goudard, Q., Hauser, M., Gacoin, M. and Ben Hamed, S. (2020). Automated video-based heart rate tracking for the anesthetized and behaving monkey.  Nature 10(17940): 1-11.
Hauser, M.D. (2021). How early life adversity transforms the learning brain. Mind, Brain & Education. 15(1): 35-47.
Mathilda Froesel, Maëva Gacoin, Simon Clavagnier, Marc Hauser, Quentin Goudard, Suliann Ben Hamed; Neural bases of audio-visual integration of socially meaningful information in macaques.
Also, in the external link section, please add URL of Risk-Eraser, LLC 
ThatsMeInTheCrowd (talk) 04:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done:  This is probably a case of potential whitewashing and PR. Denied. Quetstar (talk) 05:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request 

message: Hello, respected Editors. I have a conflict of interest with Marc Hauser hence this edit request.
* In Introduction Part 
It presently says: 
Marc D. Hauser (born October 25, 1959) is an American evolutionary biologist and a researcher in primate behavior,  animal cognition and human behavior found guilty of fabricated and falsified data.
Need to change to:
Marc D. Hauser (born October 25, 1959) is an American evolutionary biologist and a researcher in primate behavior,  animal cognition and human behavior and neuroscience, and an educator who teaches undergraduate and graduate students, as well K-12 children with disabilities. 
Also add this part: Hauser was a professor at Harvard University from 1992- 2011. In 2012, Hauser started consulting with schools that focus on children with disabilities, including those with emotional disabilities due to trauma.  In 2013, Hauser started the company Risk-Eraser, providing consulting and software solutions to schools that specialize in helping  students with disabilities. 
Reason for the change: The present works and engagement of Hauser aren't found anywhere in the article. His misconduct has been discussed in details later in the article. 
References supporting change: 
https://www.risk-eraser.com
https://www.risk-eraser.com/ourteam
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2013/9/27/mark-hauser-publishes-book/
https://www.the-scientist.com/the-nutshell/back-from-the-blacklist-37519
* Add a new section Publications 
add the following:
Hauser's publications since leaving Harvard University and creating the company Risk-Eraser, LLC.
Hauser, M.D. (2013). Cognition: phylogeny, adaptation, and by-products. In: Princeton Guide to Evolution (ed. J. Losos). Princeton, Princeton University Press.
Berwick, R.C Hauser, MD & Tattersall, I (2013).  Neanderthal language? Just-so stories take center stage. Frontiers in Language Sciences 4:1-2.
Watumull, J, Hauser, MD & Berwick, RC (2014). Comparative evolutionary approaches to language: on theory and methods. Biolinguistics 8: 120-129.
Watumull, J., Hauser, MD, Roberts, IG & Hornstein, N (2014).  On recursion.  Frontiers in Language Sciences 4: 1-7.
Watumull, J, & Hauser, MD (2014). Conceptual and empirical problems with game theoretic approaches to language evolution. Frontiers in Psychology 5: 1-4.
Hauser, MD, Yang, C., Berwick, RC, Tattersall, I., Ryan, M., Watumull, J, Chomsky, N & Lewontin, RC (2014). The mystery of language evolution. Frontiers in Language Sciences 5(401): 1-12.
Hauser, MD (2016). Challenges to the what, when, and why?  Review of Berwick and Chomsky's “Why only us.”  Biolinguistics 10: 1-5.
Arutyunova, K.R., Alexandrov, Y.I. and Hauser, M.D. (2016).  Sociocultural influences on moral judgments: East-West, Male-Female, and Young-Old.  Frontiers in Psychology, 7: 1-15.
Hauser, M.D. (2017).  The essential and inter-related components of an evidence-based IEP:  a user’s guide. Teaching Exceptional Children, JULY/AUGUST, 420-428.
Hauser, M.D & Watumull, J. (2017).  The universal generative faculty:  the source of our expressive power in language, mathematics, morality, music and technology. Journal of Neurolinguistics: Special Issue on Evolution 43: 78-94.
Hauser, M.D., Berwick, R.C., Watumull, J. and Chomsky, N. (2016). Dogs process associations, not lexical or prosodic information.  Science, September 13, 2016, online. 
Hauser, M.D. (2017).  Of mice and men, nature and nurture, and a few red herrings. Commentary on "The evolution of general intelligence." Behavioral and Brain Sciences 40.
Hauser, M.D. (2018). The mind of a goal achiever: Using mental contrasting and implementation intentions to achieve better outcomes in general and special education.  Mind, Brain and Education 12(3): 102-109.
Hauser, M.D. (2019).  Patience!  Assessing and strengthening self-control.  Frontiers in Psychology 4(25): 1-8.
Froesel, M., Goudard, Q., Hauser, M., Gacoin, M. and Ben Hamed, S. (2020). Automated video-based heart rate tracking for the anesthetized and behaving monkey.  Nature 10(17940): 1-11.
Hauser, M.D. (2021). How early life adversity transforms the learning brain. Mind, Brain & Education. 15(1): 35-47.
Mathilda Froesel, Maëva Gacoin, Simon Clavagnier, Marc Hauser, Quentin Goudard, Suliann Ben Hamed; Neural bases of audio-visual integration of socially meaningful information in macaques.
Also, in the external link section, please add URL of Risk-Eraser, LLC 
ThatsMeInTheCrowd (talk) 10:11, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , Partially Done. One of the most important facts about Hauser is that he was found guilty of scientific misconduct. So, removing the summary of that fact from the lede doesn't make sense. Also, the wording of your proposed edit seemed to lack an encyclopedic tone about the current affairs of Hauser. The facts have been added with an encyclopedic tone. Hope this helps. Chirota (talk) 15:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request Second Consideration 

message: I have removed most all of the good faith, new content added by Chiro725 in response to COI editor ThatsMeInTheCrowd. The reasons for reversion are that the new content violates the Wikipedia policies WP:NPOV (specifically WP:WEIGHT) and WP:NOT (specifically WP:PROMO, WP:HOST, and WP:NOTCV), and the guideline WP:NOTABILITY (specifically WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPIP; see also WP:PUFF). That Hauser and/or their agent wish to whitewash this page is understandable, but the fact remains that that Hauser is notable because of the scientific misconduct they committed, misconduct that received extensive coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Because none of Hauser's subsequent activities have been covered to any significant extent by reliable, independent, secondary sources, those activities are not notable and are thus inappropriate for this article. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , as an explanation to my edit request response - I did find that the article didn't talk about the subject since 2012 though the Harvard Crimson reference and some other references mention about some facts about the subject. But anyways, as the edit request response has been reverted once, I would prefer to avoid editing this article further. However, I must say wp:sigcov, and wp:notability deal with determining the notability of a subject and are no way any relevant guidelines for inserting or updating an article. Chirota (talk) 19:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:    I stand corrected on that point, and should have focused solely upon the policies of WP:NPOV and WP:NOT. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits