Talk:TNA Knockouts World Championship

message: Foley said himself that he would decide who the champion would be this week on Impact. KP McZiggy (Allow Me To Introduce Myself...) 01:07, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but Foley never said ODB wasn't the champion. TNA's still lists ODB as champion and she was announced as champion at Hard Justice.--WillC 01:10, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: But Foley never said ODB was champ. I mean i know he's just an on-screen figure, but shouldn't we go by that?Freebird (talk) 06:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The site says ODB is champ. I think it's pretty hard to argue that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.185.250.38 (talk) 18:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

text: This is a confusing situation, however, as a matter of principle, we have no official source that disputes the TNA website, we have to report that ODB is the Champion, and also that the title is held up. It should be noted that Foley holds the physical belt. Then again, we've seen stolen belts before. Sephiroth storm (talk) 04:04, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We have an Impact report, plus tonight's episode which states the title is held up. TNA not updating their website is no excuse.--WillC 04:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Lol, read your above post.. I agree, im just saying... Sephiroth storm (talk) 22:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I change my mind alot. Try not to be surprised, it happens alot.--WillC 01:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Lets wait, and see if this continues; still need a source for the change though.--WillC 20:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ODB Isn't The Champion

message: I have found no source (though of course I may have missed it) that shows it called the TNA womens knockout Championship. Which all I've saw (apologies if I missed it) were sources that listed it as the knockout championship. The first source given says it was known as the knockout championship when won by the first champion though this article contradicts the source. The only mention of women is on the physical title itself which makes no mention of Knockouts. Knockout is a term used by tna as an alternative to the term women. This basically says the women's women's championship. I think mentions of it later becoming renamed should be removed as before the times mentioned it was known as the knockout title as the sources used go to say. Unless anyone can find a source that goes to show the championship is infact redundantly named then I think The word womens should be removed.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 06:16, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I watched Bound for Glory IV today and the ring announcer said TNA Women's Knockout Championship. TNA tend to switch back and forth. Knockout Championship has always been the shorthand. It was actually first known as the Women's World Championship (see Bound for Glory 2007), but in 2008 they renamed it. Plenty of PPV reports to show this, or consulting the event DVDs themselves will also work.--WillC 09:03, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: With respect I haven't found a written source that says that. If there are plenty of pay per view sources to say that then perhaps they should be used as sources to show the name. And with respect I don't think consulting the dvd replaces the need for a written source. I checked bfg 2007 wiki page and didn't find that. And if Knockout champ is short hand for womens knockout champ there should also be a source for that as well. All of the sources I've found here it's the knock out champ and of any of the more current sources I would look up and find they would say The knockout championship. Any current dvd source would likely say the same to you. In the absents of a written source viewable from wikipedia this needs to be changed to reflect the ones availableSerialjoepsycho (talk) 18:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: You pretty much don't need to look far for this dude if you opened your eyes, the belt clearly says the TNA Womens Championship and it's always referred to as the TNA Knockout Championship, so in reference to not confusing readers with the article title when the image says different, the article title is correctly named to include both, if anything the Title of the article should be the TNA Womens Knockout Championship, which is grammatically incorrect. Afro Talkie Talk - Afkatk 20:24, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm not worried about any ones confusion and I previously mention what was written on the title. I don't feel the picture of a belt can be used as a source for calling the championship the tna womens knockout championship as no where on that picture do you see the word knockout. You can imply from this picture with the other sources that this is the titles name but if this is infact the titles name there will be a verifiable written source somewhere to prove this. The physical belt does say tna womens championship but the only sources provided refer to it as the knockout title. TNA refers to it as the TNA Knockout title. There is a wiki article on what a knockout is. TNA refers to female talent as Knockouts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNA_Knockout 
If a verifiable source can not be found that shows that this is the correct name it should be changed to reflect the name provided in all of the sources used for this article.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 22:28, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Did you read my first post? Bound for Glory 2007 it was introduced as the TNA Women's World Championship. Then you can check Bound for Glory IV, where the three way match between Kong, Wilde, and Roxxi was announced as being for the TNA Women's Knockout Championship. There is nothing to discuss or search for. Right there are two verifiable reliable sources to cover the name.--WillC 22:45, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Because I'm honestly bored with this now:ODB defeated Cody Deaner to win the TNA Knockout Women's ChampionshipTNA Knockout Women’s Champion Awesome KongTNA KNOCKOUTS WOMENS CHAMPIONSHIPneed I go on? Afro Talkie Talk - Afkatk 23:47, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I'm talking of the actual events, not a written article.--WillC 23:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Because third party should be used over primary mostly, so I used as many third party as I could while expanding the article. Only a few primary are used, and citing directly to the event rather than an article would be more accurate. Articles on TNAWrestling.com have a tendency to be deleted rather quickly. Instead of using a source that will eventually need to be replaced, using one that will stay around for the unforeseeable future is better if we are dealing with the use of primary sources.--WillC 00:58, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I own both the Bound for Glory 2007 and Bound for Glory IV dvds. I checked the BFG IV DVD yesterday, and before the women's title match, it was announced as being for the "TNA Women's Knockout Championship". I heard Dave Penzer state that exactly. You are welcome to look up the match and check for yourself. I have yet to check the BFG 07 DVD, but I'm sure it will announce the gauntlet as being for the TNA Women's World Championship. Why you ask? Because the back of the DVD box says "KNOCKOUTS GAUNTLET BATTLE ROYAL". Then below it says "To crown the first TNA Women's Champion - featuring Gail Kim, Christy Hemme, Ms. Brooks, Jackie Moore, Roxxi Laveaux, and more!". Give me a bit and I'll check the DVD and see what the ring announcer, announces the match being for.--WillC 04:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will bow out to that sir. Thanks for a nice respectful conversation.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 06:08, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, nice convo, sorry if I sounded like an ass at times. I come off as that here and there.--WillC 09:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Isn't it reffered to as the Knock out championship?

message: Why you say that Rayne is 2 times champion and Love, 4 times champion? the decision was reversed, like the RVD WWE Championship and Jericho WWE championship, are unnoficial regins. --217.125.241.191 (talk) 01:31, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: 4 regin

message: I see this was brought up a couple of years ago. I don't watch much TNA anymore, but when I do, I hear "Knockouts Champion(ship)". Doing a Google site search on ImpactWrestling.com for those words seems to confirm it (try it yourself). Logically, all Knockouts are women, so it's redundant. Any opposition to a move? InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retitle to remove "Women's" 

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