Talk:Philadelphia 76ers

message: I have created the "Current Starting Lineup" section as the old one was poorly made and was unaligned with the rest of the article. CityPride 09:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Starting Lineup 

message: On January 13th, Darthflyer removed the Syracuse Nationals historical content from this article, which was later (January 22nd) copied to a separate article: Syracuse Nationals.  Is everyone happy with this separation?  No other NBA team article has done a similar split in spite of team moves (e.g., Atlanta Hawks, Sacramento Kings, Washington Wizards, Los Angeles Lakers).  Then again, the Syracuse content was fairly lengthy.  Myasuda 12:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Upon further review . . . regarding the Los Angeles Lakers article, there was an article split, albeit not between the Minneapolis and Los Angeles days.  Rather, the entire history was moved to a separate article History of the Los Angeles Lakers.  Perhaps this would be a better route to take here.  Myasuda 12:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Syracuse Nationals is currently Wikiproject Syracuse's "Cleanup/Expansion of the Week." -newkai t-c 17:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Let me also state: Although the Syracuse history is extensive, and thus should be separated out, the stats (eg. the championship) still count towards the 76ers... It's the same franchise! -newkai t-c 17:12, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the separation as I indicated in my second entry above.  But be aware that there is a discussion of this matter at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association where support given to a re-merge the Nats with the 76ers.  You may wish to add your two cents to that discussion.  Myasuda 01:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As this decision here on Wikipedia seems to have been in favor of non-separation, a decision made quite some time ago, I am merging the two relevant articles here as well.  When it came to deleting information, I only made redundancy deletions, not brevity deletions. I may have made the merge and redirect decisions but I'll most likely leave future brevity edits to someone else. If they need to be made that is, I am relatively new here and I don't want to seem like I think I own this page. Reigndog (talk) 17:09, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syracuse Nationals 

message: I removed him from the not to be forgotten list. Only played a hundred games with a few points average (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jayson_williams/?nav=page).CityPride 10:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jayson Williams

message: This article needs sources, I just tagged it. Tayquan 11:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave it a B rating to be generous though, mainly because of the lack of sources. Tayquan 11:22, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

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message: Currently this is a redirect to Template:Philadelphia 76ers roster; this is inappropriate.  The Sixers need a summary box similar in style to these...
...so that they can get equal billing on pages about Philly sports teams in general, such as Curse of Billy Penn.
I post this here in the hope that someone who knows the facts (I'm not that big a Sixers fan) can correct this oversight (and because Template talk:Philadelphia 76ers, where I originally intended to post this comment, was recently deleted).  71.126.98.80 (talk) 14:47, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Philadelphia 76ers]] 

message: The article claims "The 76ers are the NBA's oldest franchise" and that they were founded in 1937.  Neither appears to be true.  The National Basketball League goes back (under that name) to 1937, but the Nationals didn't join until 1946, which means at least two teams (the Pistons and Lakers) can trace their lineage back father.  I presume that the confusion was started by the Pistons' website, which references 1937.  It never claims that the Nationals go back that far, though, probably referring to the NBL.  I'm going to change the two references.  SixFourThree (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, the article refers to 1939.  So where does this date come from?  Not the team site, nor the league's.  A Google search returns the number in a couple places, but those could well have originated here.  There are some old references on other wikis, since corrected (vandalism?).  APBR only lists 1946 on.  So can anybody shed light on this? SixFourThree (talk) 16:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to answer my own question - based on the Sixers' site, and the NBA's, and the Association for Professional Basketball Research, and the Syracuse Nationals article, 1946 is the correct date.  I'm going to correct, which also means removing the "oldest NBA franchise" line SixFourThree (talk) 18:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Founding date? 

message: I'm swapping the logos back - the circle logo is the team's "partial logo" and the red-backed version is the team's primary logo.  SixFourThree (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Swapping them back again - an anonymous user moved the "partial" logo up to the primary spot.  Again, the official primary logo includes the city name and red background - the round version is labeled a "partial logo" by the team.  SixFourThree (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos 

message: Unless I'm in a parallel universe, Allen Iverson does not belong on the list of 76ers players in the Basketball Hall of Fame. InsultComicDog (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Are you kidding me? 

message: Allen Iverson WILL have his number retired ON March of 2014. Remember to add it on the day it happens. 67.8.59.86 (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retired Numbers - Allen Iverson #3 

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message: There is way too much editorializing in this article and a very inconsistent tone.  Please edit this article to make the tone more informational and neutral.  The worst sections are the ones dealing with the team's Finals run in 1982-83 and the Iverson years, but there are problems with neutrality throughout.  Re42scott (talk) 19:16, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article needs a rewrite for tone 

message: Sixers also won division titles in 1966, 1967 and 1968 no? Banners hanging in rafters say so.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:42:704:1F30:298A:60A0:7F3D:E4C3 (talk) 20:06, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Division Titles 

message: The Philadelphia 76ers (also commonly known as the Sixers) are an American professional basketball team based Camden, New Jersey
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 21:16, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not based in Camden. We list the arena's location as their base, despite of where they practice or have their offices. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:59, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  The team is headquartered in Camden as is provided in numerous references. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. 10:12, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not based in Camden. They can have their offices or training facilities wherever they want, but the consensus is that we list arena's location as their base. So stop adding it. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:52, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

text: They are indeed headquartered in Camden as the numerous references prove. You will need to demonstrate with references and/or wikipedia policy otherwise if wish to remove valid material from the article. And explain why removal of the valid material in any way serves to better it. The facts are simple and straightforward, are they not? If not then why not? Claims need to be backed-up as per Wikipedia:Verfiability.Djflem (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: First of all, we don't use formation such as "based in X and headquartered in Y" in the lede. The accepted practice is to use "based in X" and this practice applies to every single team (you can look if you don't believe it). Secondly, the 76ers' website specifically states Philadelphia, PA. Then there's the 76ers' media guide, which also states Philadelphia, PA. And NBA's media guide is another source, which specifically states Philadelphia, PA. Official sources are more reliable than what some journalist thinks. I completely reworked it and changed with more reliable references and restored the accepted lede's format. DO NOT think otherwise and restore your version with 9 sources, which say exactly the same (using so much sources for one statement is too much), as I'll revert it again, because it's clear that you aren't willing to assume good faith and be civil, and instead show hostility if someone disagrees with you. And please read WP:BRD so that next time you wouldn't be doing the same thing like you are now. – Sabbatino (talk) 22:30, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

text: I agree with this. Avoid "based in" (and "headquartered") entirely, and say that they play in Philadelphia. We can then discuss the practice facility and team offices somewhere else in the article. There's no clear distinction between "based in" and "headquartered", so the first sentence in this version is going to confuse most readers. Zagalejo^^^ 00:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: ,  Don't forget that this would apply to all teams' articles, and some of the articles already have a sentence like "The Celtics play their home games at the TD Garden, which they share with the National Hockey League (NHL)'s Boston Bruins." so we would have to rework every lede. – Sabbatino (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. You have both the Washington Redskins and New York Islanders which maintain corporate offices away from their home arena. Doesn't mean that the Islanders are based in Nassau or Loudoun counties. TastyPoutine talk (if you dare) 17:13, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Not necessarily. We can evaluate things on a case by case basis. In this article, we need more precise language, but if no one is complaining about the other articles, we can leave those leads alone. Zagalejo^^^ 23:49, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: See New York Jets and New York Giants for a case-by-case view.Djflem (talk) 08:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

text: They are based at Philadelphia 76ers Training Complex in Camden, not at the arena where they play home games. That is the FACT. Based in Philadelphia is a LIE, which is wording Wikipedia should not publish.Djflem (talk) 05:59, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a building with athletic training and corporate offices. If you wnat to change the wording from "based" then be my guest, but they ARE a Philadelphia team. You're so fixated on the Training Complex that you believe it makes grounds for everything. They aren't the "Camden 76ers" and don't play there. We might as well say they're a professional basketball team that plays their home games in Philadelphia (where their home court/arena is; that is esssentially what based means here...when teams come to play them they don't use the practice courts they have at the training complex in Camden.) Banan14kab (talk) 23:05, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree: say they play their home games there. Djflem (talk) 06:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Have made the edit to fit your suggestion which is acceptable. That should be sufficient.Djflem (talk) 06:18, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

text: How is that article mentioned inaccurate? Djflem (talk) 07:34, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

text: See edit by Sbaio, re: preferred version which has been stable for a long time Check revision history to see that it has been consistent.Djflem (talk) 06:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headquartered in Camden 

message: This opening paragraph (as written below) is more than clear and very accurate. NO reason for repletion of the team's name or location of home arena in first sentences. It's redundant, repetitive and poor writing. To be correct and encyclopaedic it should say Philadelphia metro area since otherwise the explanation is confusing.
The Philadelphia 76ers, colloquially known as the Sixers, are an American professional basketball team who compete in the National Basketball Association (NBA) as a member of the league's Eastern Conference Atlantic Division. They play their home games in Philadelphia at the Wells Fargo Center located in the South Philadelphia Sports Complex. Founded in 1946 and originally known as the Syracuse Nationals, they are one of the oldest franchises in the NBA and one of only eight (out of 23) to survive the league's first decade. The team is owned and managed by Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment (HBSE), with founders Josh Harris and David Blitzer having owned the team since 2011. They train and are headquartered at the Philadelphia 76ers Training Complex in Camden, New Jersey. 
Djflem (talk) 05:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See edit by Sbaio, re: preferred version which has been stable for a long time Check revision history to see that it has been consistent.Djflem (talk) 06:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening paragragh

message: In the logo section, the ball with 76ers script is listed as the primary. However, the primary logo is actually the ball enveloped in a blue roundel with Philadelphia on top and stars on the bottom. This roundel logo should also be used at the top of the page where the other franchise information is displayed, as the other 29 NBA teams feature their correct primary logo on their pages.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.236.217 (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect primary logo 

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message: So, first, it makes much more sense for two 'eras' to be considered one considering that the 76ers' rebuild didn't suddenly end with the introduction of Bryan Colangelo as GM. Beyond that, Brett Brown stayed as head coach and a lot of the actions of Colangelo, such as the Fultz trade, can be seen as results of Hinkie's moves. Also, the section should be named as the Process, because even if it's not 'official', it's become the common media term for this era of 76ers history.
*http://www.nba.com/article/2017/06/23/new-draft-haul-philadelphia-76ers-portion-process-has-come-end 
*http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2716165-complete-the-process-sixers-must-do-what-it-takes-to-draft-markelle-fultz
*https://theringer.com/sam-hinkie-philadelphia-76ers-process-draft-markelle-fultz-bb1b060ee4a5
*http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/06/markelle-fultz-trust-the-process-76ers-slogan-philadelphia-nba-draft
*https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/the-process-pays-off-for-patient-76ers-fans-unfortunately-the-author-is-not-here/|publisher=CBS Insert90 (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a good change. (Refactoring your comment a little because these are meant as external links to prove your point, not refs, and would remain at the bottom of the page, confusing any future discussion.) JesseRafe (talk) 21:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge the Hinkie and Colangelo sections & rename them to the process 

message: Current text:  The 76ers have only been back to the NBA Finals once since then: in 2001, where they were led by Iverson and lost to the Los Angeles Lakers 4 games to 1.
Please edit as follows:
Having won the NBA championship three times in 1955, 1967, and 1983, the 76ers have also appeared in two additional NBA finals: losing to the Portland Trailblazers, who were led by Bill Walton and Maurice Lucas, in 1977; and to the Los Angeles Lakers, in 2001. 134.126.46.146 (talk) 19:02, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , the suggested sentence is clunky and unnecessarily detailed and presented out of chronological order. The current sentence is fine, and, as one of the very first sentences in the whole article, more than sufficient and easy to grasp. Detailed seasons/eras later in the article provide more info about Finals performances. JesseRafe (talk) 19:14, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2018 

message: There is a line that says newspaper writers liked the nickname 76ers because it could be shortened to "Sixers". It literally has more characters in it; it's not much of a shortening. I won't dispute that the abbreviation made for a catchy nickname, but I also have a suspicion that the claim about newspaper writers was generated from thin air, as it logically doesn't check out. 2605:E000:1C0B:4307:C03:2934:4B3B:414F (talk) 08:14, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

message: The CEO of the franchise is currently listed as "Beef House Bullies" which obviously can't be correct. From a cursory search online, the CEO appears to be Scott O'Neil: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/philadelphia-76ers/scott-oneil-sixers-ceo-discusses-how-his-family-breeds-success.
104.13.110.123 (talk) 23:20, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apparent vandalism of CEO section in the infobox 

message: Could someone help me understand the logic here? Why must the lead sentence read that the team are based in the Philadelphia metropolitan area as opposed to just Philadelphia? I'm told this has been discussed before and consensus decided on this, but no discussion was linked and I can't find where it could have taken place. Every other major league team article I can find for a team who actually play in the city for which they are named goes against what has been established for this article, even for teams whose practice facilities or headquarters are not necessarily located in the same city. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 05:41, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk:Philadelphia 76ers#Headquartered in Camden — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djflem (talk • contribs) 06:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not seeing any consensus whatsoever for anything other than just meat-and-potatoes Philadelphia in the linked discussion. I'm tempted to open this up to the community through an RfC, as it seems a rather WP:LOCALCONSENSUS has emerged that contravenes precedent. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 01:24, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead sentence 

message: ::::::This opening paragraph (as written below) is more than clear and very accurate. NO reason for repletion of the team's name or location of home arena in first sentences. It's redundant, repetitive and poor writing. To be correct and encyclopaedic it should say Philadelphia metro area since otherwise the explanation is confusing.
::::::The Philadelphia 76ers, colloquially known as the Sixers, are an American professional basketball team who compete in the National Basketball Association (NBA) as a member of the league's Eastern Conference Atlantic Division. They play their home games in Philadelphia at the Wells Fargo Center located in the South Philadelphia Sports Complex. Founded in 1946 and originally known as the Syracuse Nationals, they are one of the oldest franchises in the NBA and one of only eight (out of 23) to survive the league's first decade. The team is owned and managed by Harris Blitzer Sports & Entertainment (HBSE), with founders Josh Harris and David Blitzer having owned the team since 2011. They train and are headquartered at the Philadelphia 76ers Training Complex in Camden, New Jersey. 
::::::Djflem (talk) 05:52, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: See edit by Sbaio, re: preferred version which has been stable for a long time. Check revision history to see that it has been consistent.Djflem (talk) 06:19, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

text: This. This is what I've been saying exactly. This whole argument that the team is "based" in Camden merely because the team's training facility and offices are there is flawed. It throws off the logic and consistency that all NBA team article pages currently use in their opening sentence. Actually all MLB, NFL, and NHL teams use the same logic as well. So we would have to peruse and change every team article if we are to actually pride ourselves as the encyclopedia Wikipedia is supposed to be. Teams only use the "metropolitan area" designation when their home venue is outside the principal city the team is named for. One good example is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa Bay Lightning and Tampa Bay Rays. Both the Buccs and Lightning list the actual city of Tampa, but the Rays' ballpark is in St. Petersburg and as such it lists the area. We need to settle on the consensus of what does "based in" actually mean or this argument will continue. What is the criteria that is used for "based" when it comes to pro teams? The home venue (which makes sense as that's their home) or a corporate office/training facility (which can just be mentioned in the article...) Banan14kab (talk) 23:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I should remind that North American sports world does not end with NBA, NFL, NHL and MLB. There are many other leagues like MLS, AHL, NBA G League and others. This particular discussion is about a team from the NBA so lets just stay with the NBA for now. Oknazevad has valid points, but there is really no reason to change the whole paragraph when we could maintain the WP:STATUSQUO among all the teams and just remove the "metropolitan area" in the 76ers case. – sbaio 07:22, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: But if we did that then others would complain that they're not really "based in Philadelphia" (see the excessive above discussion). Not that I personally think that's a sufficient concern, but it is what it is. The proposed paragraph is a good compromise that addresses everyone's concerns. Is it not quite the same as other teams' articles? Yeah, but there's a reason to vary. Life isn't always consistent. And the "based in" wording is ambiguous enough that varying from it when it could cause confusion isn't a bad idea. oknazevad (talk) 07:49, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The Wikipedia:STATUSQUO, if you read that section, is to keep the article the way it's been for a long time, with metro area and not about standardization (as is suggested). See the related Wikipedia:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, which explains that because one thing is a certain somewhere in Wikipedia, doesn't mean has to be that way elsewhere. Each case should be dealt with based on the the specifics of the subject. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia which should be accurate and not subject to standardization for the SAKE of standardization. Djflem (talk) 08:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

text: The team is also a business..a big business. The first paragraph includes information about ownership and management, which speaks directly to the topic of being a corporation and organization (which paid $76 million to built its headquarters, but only leases spaces at an arena where they a appear sporadically). YOU made the suggestion to specify where they play their home games, and were accommodated by above paragraph which more than addresses that. The opening paragraph above addresses ALL concerns, not only yours. (If you want to cite examples, as you have, see New York Jets and New York Giants, which handle home games, ownership, and headquarters, and training centers all in the first paragraph). Djflem (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this a response to me or to Sbaio? The indenting is unclear. oknazevad (talk) 22:21, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To Banan14kab. This is where the automated reply to their comment placed it, when I clicked on it. The indenting is unclear, but apparently correct in that it is one tab from their comment (????) Djflem (talk) 05:32, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that common for NFL teams though? I see their infoboxes have parameters for headquarters and what not. Banan14kab (talk) 03:20, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

text: Another weird inconsistency: the infobox for the team's article still has the location as "Philadelphia, Pennsylvania". If it's based in the metro area shouldn't the infobox reflect that as well? Still has Philly itself as the team city...just pointing it out to y'all. Banan14kab (talk) 03:33, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: That parameter is for arena's location. In addition, please read WP:DEADHORSE. – sbaio 04:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: ... Banan14kab (talk) 06:16, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Opening paragragh

message: The franchise has its own (official) cheer song called 'Here Come the Sixers'. Shouldn't this be added in the team spirit/identity section?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.131.123 (talk) 06:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team song 

message: I don't know if this has been attempted before, but would it be appropriate to create an article about "The Process"? Given it is a significant part of the team's history, the events that led to it, the draft picks that resulted, and the impact of the era on the team and the league would be able to be explored in further depth. There are articles that delve into significant eras of teams' history (e.g. Death Lineup, Showtime Lakers, Big Three (Miami Heat). Beanboozler (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be something you'd want to try out in draft? As far as I know, there is one published book on the topic, and of course, it's mentioned a thousand times in many reliable sources from that time period, and as the focus not just incidental. But does it have a lasting impact? Not really. Aside from people mis-using the term, it's not really relevant post 2016 (!) but some who write for RSs like The Ringer or ESPN use it for the Colangelo or even Brand years as well. Whereas those other ones had an arguable lasting impact on the game and still refer to a very specific time and place, not a nebulous strategy. Look also at Run TMC and its impact and lasting legacy and its on-the-court significance. JesseRafe (talk) 16:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Process standalone article 

message: The subsection labeled 'Esorts ventures' should be relabelled to 'Esports Ventured' with or without a dash between e and sports. 173.48.236.248 (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Accepted.-- Dewritech (talk)  19:55, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2022