Talk:United States one-dollar bill

message: It would be interesting to learn why the current one dollar bill still features the older design.
Caption under photo on right pane says "First $1 bill issued in 1862 as a Legal Tender Note"  History/Large Size notes reads "1863: The first one-dollar bill was issued as a Legal Tender Note (United States Note) with a portrait of Salmon P. Chase, the Secretary of the Treasury under President Abraham Lincoln.[4][5]"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.168.84.187 (talk) 17:23, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Design

message: True or false: it was legal to put live people on currency back in 1862. (This question came into my mind because it says that Salmon Chase was on the first $1 bills and he was alive in 1862. 66.32.149.224 23:17, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not illegal now, nor has it ever been, to put live people on currency.  It's just a very strong tradition not to Nik42 08:57, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually is illegal (since 1873): “No portrait shall be placed upon any of the bonds, securities, notes, fractional or postal currency of the United States, while the original of such portrait is living.”“Laws of the United States Relating to Loans and the Currency Including the Coinage Acts”. Treasury Department, p. 128.--Godot13 (talk) 15:50, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Live people on currency

message: What's with the paranoid talk about the Masons and the Illuminati? This seems totally out of place and delusional at best. -Branddobbe 08:16, May 11, 2004 (UTC)
* It's a consperacy theory that baiscly goes that the Illuminati and/or the free masons are responisible for the pyrimid on the back of the 1DB. It's not out of place, and it deserves mention.
Consperacy theory? Actually, a new book, The Secret Symbols of the Dollar Bill, by David Ovason, details the extent of Masonic symbolism on the one dollar bill. There is nothing conspiratorial about this. It is fact. 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060530448/qid=1111984112/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-9777372-3472619?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
* Actually, I noticed the US Declaration of Independence year 1776 which is written on the pyramid is also listed in the Illuminati article as the founding year, but I wasn't sure whether to include this. (It should be in the parenthesized 'The following is speculation' section, if anywhere.) --IByte 20:49, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason why I removed it was because I believe copying and pasting large chunk of text is bad. I'm not disputing the accuracy of the text. But let's say someone find a mistake and correct it, but on one copy only. Then the two copies would contradict each other, which causes mass confusion. Now I didn't do a straight revert. I provided a link to the most appropriate place for further information. The one-dollar bill has George Washington on it. But we can't put his whole biography here, right? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

text: So the solution that will make us both happy is to move the text here and provide a link the other direction. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Masons/Illuminati 

message: Is the phrase "recent separation" appropriate for something that happened over 200 years ago?
Bobblewik  (talk) 19:44, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the phrase "recent separation" appropriate for something that happened over 200 years ago? 

message: :It holds an olive branch and arrows in its claws, symbolizing "we want peace, but are ready to fight".
It occurs to me that the order doesn't seem binding. It could just as well mean "we want to fight, but are ready for peace". :-) JRM 02:35, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)
Actually, it does.  In this kind of symbolism, whatever is in the right claw (or right hand if it's a person), is the preferred course.  Olive branch in right claw means "peace first".  Almostfm (talk) 09:47, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Eagle's claws 

message: I'm noticing a lot of back-and-forth peddling and sneaky vandalism on the symbolism of the seal. Ideally I'd like it if we could just leave it out and refer to Great Seal of the United States, but I guess that's not going to happen. So I'd urge everyone to watch the articles and make sure they stay in sync on the matter; the content of Great Seal of the United States should get priority over what this article says, and any change should be suggested there. JRM · Talk 22:47, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Seal 

message: Regarding the spelling of the word ("saeclum" seems to be correct, especially in poetry -- seclum a little less so), I don't see why on Earth the meaning of the phrase should change from "of the worlds" to "of the ages" just because of the U. It appears to me that both spellings are acceptable for the same meaning, which encompasses both "worlds" and "ages." Also, the  dedicated page linked in this article doesn't differentiate meaning on the basis of spelling. I say that remark should be removed. Opinions? Aside 00:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again on "Saeclorum" 

message: I made some significant edits to the article, which may draw some controversy due to the row over my One dollar Federal Reserve Note article. Regardless of what happens to that one, I attempted to improve this article by generalizing the introduction to the article, including information about the first U.S. $1 note, and cleaning up the explanation of the $1 FRN. Hope everyone likes it, let me know either way. Paul 09:56, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The current edition of U.S. one dollar bill (with the history) looks nice.  Only suggestions I'd make right now: 1) if the pictures are thumbnails, I'd suggest increasing the size by about 50 pixels so that a little more of the detail comes through; 2) put in a few blank lines in the history for easier reading.  A question: historically, is there significance in the changeover from engraved notes and offset printed notes (if I recall correctly, it was announced in 1982 or 1983)? B.Wind 03:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some changes to the lede; some cosmetic, some not. The lede claimed that the reverse was the oldest design of U.S. currency while claiming that the $2 had that distinction for its obverse. As far as I can tell, the $1 hasn't been changed since its introduction in 1963, while the $2 FRN was introduced in 1976, if I'm correct, then the lede was factually wrong. It makes little sense to mention the $2 bill at all in the lede about the $1, I think. Prior to 1963, the $1 was only issued as a USN, by definition a 'different' dollar, authorized in a different way. Please feel free to revert or correct my edits if I've blundered. Thanks.173.189.73.1 (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits 

message: === New claim: 13 is the number of times that 13 appears in the one dollar bill ! === 
All things considered, it seems obvious to me that the bill is indeed intended to represent exactly 13 times thirteen.
Look, we have so far already 11 of them by simple counting operations :
On reverse side:
*6 in the Great Seal obverse side (arrows, olives, leaves, stars, shield stripes, letters in "E pluribus unum")
*2 in the Great Seal reverse side (pyramid layers, letters in "Annuit coeptis")
*2 in the two strings of pearl 
On obverse side, one more with the chevron with thirteen stars yields the 11th.
Two are still missing.
Now, still on the obverse side, consider the two small olive branches close below Washington on his both sides, they both have exactly 8 leaves and 5 fruits. By two simple sum operations we get the two missing thirteen.
I don't think this could be a coincidence, because :
* they are identical, and placed near the centre, close to the president
* the 13 olives and leaves in the eagle talon is a clue that we might try to count other of them
* by counting them we get exactly 13 times 13
* obviously you won't find other 13 by simple count or sum operations (BTW such tricks don't work with other olives and leaves in the bill), or even by more complex operations such as counting the number of times a letter appears, etc. As if the bill was carefully designed to prevent further 13.
--Wikipedist~frwiki (talk) 02:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, this is just an observation on the manipulation of numbers. I have removed it.
--Kurt 05:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number 13 

message: All things considered, it seems obvious to me that the bill is indeed intended to represent exactly 13 times thirteen.
Look, we have so far already 11 of them by simple counting operations :
On reverse side:
*6 in the Great Seal obverse side (arrows, olives, leaves, stars, shield stripes, letters in "E pluribus unum")
*2 in the Great Seal reverse side (pyramid layers, letters in "Annuit coeptis")
*2 in the two strings of pearl 
On obverse side, one more with the chevron with thirteen stars yields the 11th.
Two are still missing.
Now, still on the obverse side, consider the two small olive branches close below Washington on his both sides, they both have exactly 8 leaves and 5 fruits. By two simple sum operations we get the two missing thirteen.
I don't think this could be a coincidence, because :
* they are identical, and placed near the centre, close to the president
* the 13 olives and leaves in the eagle talon is a clue that we might try to count other of them
* by counting them we get exactly 13 times 13
* obviously you won't find other 13 by simple count or sum operations (BTW such tricks don't work with other olives and leaves in the bill), or even by more complex operations such as counting the number of times a letter appears, etc. As if the bill was carefully designed to prevent further 13.
--Wikipedist~frwiki (talk) 02:02, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Really, this is just an observation on the manipulation of numbers. I have removed it.
--Kurt 05:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New claim: 13 is the number of times that 13 appears in the one dollar bill ! 

message: The article says there are 13 hats pictured on the note. Where? --Spblat 05:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hats?

message: * The shadow cast by the pyramid from the rising sun represents the undiscovered lands to the west. The sun, which is rising, represents that a new nation has begun.
where's the rising sun? Where's the shadow? Where's the compass thet tells us where on the picture is east and west so we can tell if the sun is rising or setting? --androl (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  rising sun? 

message: * 13 total letters/digits in both 1776 (4) and its Roman Numeral equivalent MDCCLXXVI (9)
that's too much numerology. MDCCLXXVI should have 13 letters to be interesting
* 13 horizontal stripes at the top of the shield
I count 12 (see big image) count the white stripes!!
what about some sentences about other numbers that can be found?
* 14 clouds around the stars
* 12 lines at the top of the shield
* 18 vertical lines on the shield
* 9 tail feathers of the eagle
* 17 long feathers on each wing of the eagle
* 17 letters in "of the United States"
* 12 letters in "the great seal"
* 17 letters in "novo ordo seclorum"
* 12 letters in "Annuit Cœptis"
* 9 letters in "MDCCLXXVI"
* 14 berries on the front of the bill 
yes but if you add all the letters in the words they add up to 13 squared
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.7.169 (talk) 20:28, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  other claims 

message: This is about the physical size of the notes. Please discuss at Talk:Large-sized note. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: can someone please provide a picture of the 2 "Spiders"?
Supposedly the 2 spiders are on the bottom of the front of the bill.  There is a black triangle around them.  
I have to disagree with the owl.  I think it looks like a spider, I don't see how it can be perceived as an owl.
I think that the 2 spiders and the owl are actually one and the same thing - part of the pattern of the bill. When you look immediately above the owl the curves look exactly the same as the curves above the spiders. The only difference is that "the owl" is hidden behind the the leaves and the frame around "1". Moreover, when you look towards the outer ends of the the bill, parts of two other "spiders" appear(the other parts of them are again hidden by the frames of the lower "1"'s).
No owl.  No spider.  This YouTube video shows the proof, with no verbal or written explanation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p320Tt5Pr2s
The spider/owl/whatever is actually just a part of the repeated web design that goes around the bill.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeeJaye6 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hidden symbols. 

message: It needs to be explained why the dollar bill of the United States carries a non-human eye. There is no way in the world that is portrayed to be an human eye. It looks extraterrestrial or alien, why on earth is it on the dollar bill?? It needs to be explained, and there is no way you can say that's a human eye. The whole thing is just weird. Quite frightening that the dollar bill of the richest and most powerful nation in the world carries a picture of an alien, without any explanation to be retrieved anywhere but in conspiracy websites.
  Actually, I believe it's been proved to be a porpoise eye. RubyQ (talk) 05:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reptilian or alien eye 

message: Does anyone know the name for the illustration style used on all of the dollar bills? Does it have a specific name or is it just a type of line drawing? --Maxhawkins 20:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Illustration Style 

message: I removed a bunch of the "informal terms" that are slang for a U.S. dollar in general and not for a one-dollar bill in particular, and thus belong in the article for United States dollar and not here. A good way of testing which article it belongs in is by asking yourself whether "a bunch of [word]" means "a lot of money" or "a lot of one-dollar bills". The only words on that list that pass this test are "one" and "single". -Branddobbe (talk) 01:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Informal terms

message: I see how the other notes ($2-$100) have a large picture of the note. Can we bring the $1 to that format too?  
Wd1040 (talk) 01:21, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The large picture on the other notes is a result of a series of redesigns that began in 2003. Actually, the $2 bill uses the smaller portrait as well. The $1 and $2 bills have not been redesigned because counterfeiting isn't as serious a problem with these small notes as it is with higher-value notes. An important anti-counterfeiting feature is the note's familiarity. When a new design is introduced, it is initially more difficult for people to spot counterfeits because they don't know how the note is supposed to look. For this reason note designs generally aren't changed unless there is a compelling reason. —D. Monack talk 07:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring format in line with other FRNs 

message: Why no mentioning of its extreme low value for a note? 77.99.57.229 (talk) 00:05, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low value 

message: Is the US Treasury department just that confident that it won't matter? Will (Talk - contribs) 18:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much.  No one is going to waste a lot of time counterfeiting singles.  Second, a number of vending machines accept ones and no other bills.  Adding the security measures would make the machines obsolete.  Schoop (talk) 18:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why hasn't the 1 dollar bill ever gotten the modern anti-counterfeiting features that the larger denominations use? 

message: I'm going to create a section in the article devoted exclusively to the conspiracy theories (or facts?) connected to the numerology and Masonic symbolism allegedly used in the U.S. $1 bill. This isn't a measure to put the conspiracy theories/facts in a small corner, but to clean up the article and only include official uses of symbolism in the main sections of the article. (In a nutshell, I'm leaving the main body of the article to facts confirmed by the U.S. Government and the Federal Reserve.) BrenMan 94 (talk) 15:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of it belongs in Great Seal of the United States, where it already is, other than a brief mention and a pointer.  Unless there is stuff specific to the dollar bill.   Most or all of that paragraph should be removed, agreed, and the mention in the first sentence on the reverse of the bill.  Carl Lindberg (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Okay, I'll just do a general cleanup of the article until a separate section is needed. BrenMan 94 (talk) 16:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added section on the U.S. one-dollar bill "conspiracy"? + General article cleanup. 

message: I believe that at least the high-resolution scans of the current $1 bill here may be illegal. One item that points toward that conclusion is the text at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_one_dollar_bill,_reverse.jpg, which says that color reproductions of U.S. currency are legal if "All negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, any any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use" (emphasis mine). It can't exactly be true that the digital files used to produce high-resolution, exact-size (a trait illegal in itself), two-sided (ditto) color prints are destroyed if these files keep sitting around on Wikipedia's servers.
President Lethe (talk) 04:37, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Il)legality of high-resolution productions here? 

message: Why is there no mention of the OWL that is visible when one takes the dollar a few feet away. It is pretty obvious. Take a carefui look.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.229.83.49 (talk) 03:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See #Spider?. Carl Lindberg (talk) 08:00, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Owl face on ONE dollar bil and all other American dollar bills are seen from a distance

message: Scanning/photocopying United States currency is illegal. --138.110.206.101 (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: The phrase "While the triangle was never incorporated claims continue." makes no sense. PurpleChez (talk) 01:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eye of Providence 

message: Is there a style reference that talks about this? I can't find it in the Chicago Manual of Style, but not sure how to look for it. Bombcar (talk) 01:35, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not sure how "official" this is, but I was always taught that "one dollar" is 100 cents, regardless of how it's configured (so four quarters would make one dollar), while the hyphenated version refers to the actual piece of currency--so my one-dollar bill is worth one dollar.Almostfm (talk) 02:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right. "One-dollar" is an adjectival compound describing a note or coin; "one dollar" is a quantity. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! The above explains it concisely. Bombcar (talk) 20:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  one-dollar as opposed to one dollar? 

message: ANNUIT COEPTIS and E PLURIBUS UNUM both have 13 letters symbolizing the Original 13 United States. This ancient practice of counting the number of letters in a word/name/phrase and giving it symbolic meaning is Step 1 of Simple(6,74) English(7,74) Gematria(8,74). - Benjamin Franklin 75.74.157.29 (talk) 15:45, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: --Orange Mike | Talk 13:45, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANNUIT COEPTIS(13 letters) & E PLURIBUS UNUM(13) 

message: The info box lists the bill as having a "Design Date" of January 4, 1964.  However http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/f1963_s.html list the bills as being in the hands of the Fed by November 1963, so they obviously weren't "designed" on that date--and in any event, designing a banknote isn't done in a day.  My first thought was that it was the date they were released to the public, but January 4, 1963 was a Saturday, and banks wouldn't have been opened.  Does anybody know where this date came from, and what the actual release date to the public was?Almostfm (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design Date 

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message: In Turkey if someone has a 1 dollar bill (specially from the F series, but also others)  he can get charged with supporting terror, because it can be seen as a connection to the Gülen movement. Currently there is also jailed a NASA scientist charged for this crime. Does anyone have an idea how to include this in the article? Is there a list of laws against possessing dollars? 
Best,Lean Anael (talk) 13:11, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Turkey possessing a 1 dollar bill can lead to a prosecution 

message: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/episode-54-the-colour-of-money/  
Discusses a dollar redesign project.
Pigkeeper (talk) 20:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  podcast exploring the Design of United States currency 

message: The image of George Washington on the current one-dollar bill is based on a painting by Gilbert Stuart. The painting is oil on canvas. The image on the bill is an engraving. The creator of the engraving is not mentioned, nor the date it was created, or the medium that was used. Indexguy (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Washington Image