Talk:Black family/Archive 1

message: I think that we should do a section on the name etymologies of the people on the tree. Noneofyourbusiness 23:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone agree? Noneofyourbusiness 14:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Name Etymology

message: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orion Black. Petros471 18:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: If Dorea Black was Harry's grandmother, this would mean that Sirius was Harry's cousin, and not uncle, as noted in the article. Check in which level would Harry be in the tree. Wanna Know My Name? Later 14:31, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black and Potter 

message: Quick question: how do you define Original Research? Because by your definition, most of the name section seems to be classified as OR. After all, surely it is OR to discuss bacteria similar to a certain name, or to research the meaning of Belvina. Elladora was explained in exactly the same way. Michaelsanders 11:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia has a policy that disallows Original Research, and it is discussed at Wikipedia:No original research or at the shortcut WP:NOR.  The bottom line is - in articles regarding Rowling's fictional Harry Potter universe, we must resist the urge to go beyond what Rowling has clearly stated in her books, or in the movies (with differences between the books and movies described when applicable), or in documented interviews (with reference links), or on her web site.  Information from fan sites, blog pages, logical extensions, or even from common sense is frowned upon.  Wikipedia's policy always favors "Verifiability" over "truth", and from established Reliable Sources.  This is because "truth" is sometimes a matter of perspective, and can vary with the Point of View (see also WP:NPOV.  Basically - if the matter under discussion cannot be easily verified - traced back to the authoritative original source (Rowling in this case), then it is not canonical and does not belong in an encyclopedia like this one.  Also if the matter must be prefaced with weasel words to be "true", example: "Some fans believe that Harry and Ginny (blah blah blah) ...", then that is also disallowed since the Wikipedia is to Avoid Weasel Words.  If the statement cannot stand on its own without conditionals like "some think", "apparently", "obviously", or "it may be the case that"; then it is disallowed.  There are plenty of other weasel word examples at WP:AWW.  Thanks for asking!  --T-dot 12:47, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: PS - and by the way - I totally agree with you that these "Names Origins" of characters in the HP Universe are way out of control.  What we can legitimately say is that, for example, many characters in the Black family have names corresponding to astronomical objects like stars and constellations and galaxies and such, and that Andromeda Black's first name corresponds to the Andromeda galaxy.  But to come up with lists of name "similarities" to other historical persons, or to animals (eg: the Weasley surname comes from the weasel), or to concepts (eg: the Malfoy surname comes from the French, meaning "bad faith"), is dipping deeply into the well of Original Research, and should be avoided as unverifiable - unless of course Rowling states clearly that this is where she got the name.  --T-dot 13:55, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: [(Again, apologies for manner of setting out). Please comment or make appropriate changes. It will, barring problems or lack of agreement, be posted in the main article in approximately 24 hours.
Done Michaelsanders 22:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Replacement Text