Talk:Mogadishu

message: The History section of the article needs a clean up and improvement. It does not discuss the Ajuran sultanate, World War 2, etc.  Would anyone like to help me? AcidSnow (talk) 18:01, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ajuran Sultanate didn't directly rule the city. The Muzaffar Dynasty of the Sultanate of Mogadishu did, and the Ajuran Sultans exacted tribute from the Muzaffars. Middayexpress (talk) 18:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I think we should divide the History section in to a couple of categories: Earliest History (We should try to see if we can find any skeletons from the region going farther back than the Khoisan), Foundation (Dissuce Somali arrival and we should see if we can find more info on Sarapion such as a foundation century), Persian occupation, Middle Ages (Republic then the Sultanate), Early Modern (Geledi annexation of the city and Italian rule), and finally Modern. I will get work on Sarapion. AcidSnow (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: All of that's already pretty much noted. However, the early Persian presence was more of a settlement than an occupation. Middayexpress (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

text: The Persians most certainly had control of Mogadishu.  AcidSnow (talk) 00:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Persians did have an early presence. That's why the Persian New Year (Nowruz) is observed in parts of the south, and a few old structures built in a Persian style can be found in the same area. The Arba'a Rukun Mosque's mihrab also contains an inscription dated 667 (1268/9 CE), which commemorates the masjid's late founder, one Khusra ibn Mubarak al-Shirazi (Khusrau ibn Muhammed). There are still older trade ties described in ancient Chinese documents, but these don't pertain to Mogadishu specifically. Middayexpress (talk) 14:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There is absolutely no evidence of a Persian army or dynasty holding sway over Mogadishu, in most of the time-periods of Mogadishu's golden ages, the Persians were ruled by Arabs, Turkic groups and Mongols themselves. Persian Traders, architects and scholars, sure but that's where their presence ends. Somalis had the same seafaring presence in other continents, the difference is nobody is overestimating their influence in those regions for clear cultural reasons rooted in colonial writing and race hierarchies.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.8.135.120 (talk) 15:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there's indeed no evidence of any Persian army, dynasty, sultanate, etc. actually holding sway over Mogadishu. What I meant by an early Persian presence was individual traders and Islamic scholars/proselytizers. This is why the structures that the settlers left behind mainly consist of mosques and religious tombs. The actual polity that ruled Benadir during the period was of course the Sultanate of Mogadishu's Muzaffar Dynasty, and prior to that, it was the Sultanate's founding Fakr ad-Din Dynasty. Middayexpress (talk) 16:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ajuran

message: The temperatures are monthly weather averages and minima/maxima. They are not daily minima/maxima . Middayexpress (talk) 18:00, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As the article and that source show, 23-24C are average night minima for each month, as I said - not monthly 24h averages. Most of the text of the climate section is nonsense. There is no alternating between a chill and heatwaves - it is always hot. There is less than 3 celcius difference between the averages for each month. As with all locations near the equator, there is no spring-summer-autumn-winter sequence. The articles on Singapore, Lagos, Recife etc. don't mention spring because, like, Mogadishu, they don't have such seasons. Jim Michael (talk) 23:21, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I see what you're saying. The climate is fairly hot year round. Average temperatures per month vary by 3 °C (5.4 °F), which corresponds with a hyperoceanic and subtype truly hyperoceanic continentality type . I've made this clearer. Middayexpress (talk) 14:20, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Mogadishu has gotten much colder than 60's. My bad, Midday, I meant something else. AcidSnow (talk) 03:50, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If Mogadishu's current weather is 16°C/62°F how is the lowest temprate recorded 20°C/68°? AcidSnow (talk) 12:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know exactly why Mogadishu's weather is messed up? I am unable to explain why. AcidSnow (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: The lead does not accurately depict the history of Mogadishu. It makes it seem like an Arab colony. It does not even mention the Sultanates and how it was a republic before that. The same can be said about the history section which disscuse relavent stuff as well. I will make improvements in the coming days. AcidSnow (talk) 03:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noted the Sultanates in the lede. The kingdom history is fine, as it already notes the Sultanate of Mogadishu, Ajuran Sultanate and Geledi Sultanate. Middayexpress (talk) 15:56, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I will update it by tomorrow. AcidSnow (talk) 20:49, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries; I just fixed it. Middayexpress (talk) 17:48, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Lol see my take page to see what I mean. A large portion of the cities history is not mentioned. AcidSnow (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You appear to be referring there to early Kharijite disciples, which isn't the same thing as the Sultanate of Mogadishu. Middayexpress (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even know what that is....... AcidSnow (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's what the 694 date refers to. Middayexpress (talk) 19:40, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sultanates 

message: Where is the land area figure coming from in the infobox for the administrative area of the city?  The page for the Banaadir region says that there is no local government for the city, so it's effectively coextensive with the regional government.  The Italian wiki page for the region gives it an area of 370 square kilometers.  The weird thing is that the Italian wiki page for the city gives the area as 637 square kilometers.  So, what's the land area of the local government that covers Mogadishu/Banaadir?  1,657 sq km, 637 sq km, or 370 sq km? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:32, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Banaadir is indeed coextensive with the city; the Mayor is thus also the Governor of the Banaadir administration. The urban area is per Demographia. As the city infrastruture is rapidly growing, the urban area is as well. As of 2015, the urban area occupies 35 square miles or 91 km2 . Middayexpress (talk) 17:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, so that's the spatial measurement of the urban area.  But, the primary number in infoboxes for cities are administrative measurements.  How large does the local government boundaries measure? --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Template:Infobox settlement has separate parameters for the urban area and metropolitan area. Middayexpress (talk) 21:45, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I'm asking very simply if you or anyone else that reads this page know what the administrative boundaries of the region/city are?  This is the primary number on city pages.  While urban and metropolitan ares can be measured differently depending on which country you're in, an administrative area measurement goes where "area_total_km2 = " is in the template. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Understood. Demographia just notes the urban area. Middayexpress (talk) 17:32, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrative Boundaries 

message: Article Picture has a Facebook page watermark, not very encyclopedia-like  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.50.132.79 (talk) 04:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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message: Please discuss a request to merge  into  at Talk:Italian Mogadishu if you care.  —  AjaxSmack  01:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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message: Why is one of the four sentences of the first paragraph about how it's the closest foreign city to Seychelles? It seems like an overwhelmingly minor piece of trivia. To be the fourth sentence in the opening is very strange. 69.113.166.178 (talk) 18:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seychelles 

message: Expanded the antiquity section of Mogadishu.
Mogadishu was founded in the second century by proto-Somalis. I've provided multiple references for it and removed the false historical revisionism of Mogadishu being founded in medieval times.
: you are making troubles with your disruptive nationalistic edits that will only lead to losing your privilege to edit. you have made many wrong edits, I have explained to you in my talk page and I can give you an example which –sorry– shows that you are pushing for nationalistic POV. You changed Arab architecture to Somali architecture, when the source says clearly Arab architecture. --SharabSalam (talk) 05:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: You have literally removed sourced information from the section for what reason? It's hard to argue with someone who is pushing for nationalistic POVs in Wikipedia.--SharabSalam (talk) 05:45, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Founders of Mogadishu

message: Can we add more information from the colonial era. How many towns existed, how the tribes of the people who lived there and so on Jamal el layl (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The colonial era 

message: Abshir55 You have obviously not properly checked the sources as you claimed. It's obvious you're purposely vandalizing articles in order to suit your agenda due to your tribal affiliations. I'm simply an editor on Wikipedia that keeps tabs on history. Now to stay on topic, I will show you what the sources actually say and you have no way around to remove them.
The social structure of southern Somali tribes" page 177 says: 
https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/1317929/
Already at this period the Sultanate of Zanzibar claimed sovereignty over the Benadir ports, but the control exercised was merely nominal. As far as Mogadishu was concerned, it was Yusuf who had the more immediately superior power. The city was then in the hands of the Abgal, and in a state of decay and near-ruin. Two years before, Yusuf'
had been called in to mediate in a dispute over the succession to the position of Sheikh; the city was divided into two hostile quarters, which had become in effect rival towns. He had arrived with an army of about 8,000 men, and gave his decision in favour of the chief of the Shingani quarter. This latter's rival, unwilling to accept the decision, but unable to resist Yusuf's superior force, escaped from the city, leaving his section of it to be ruled by a kinsman.
Somalia: A Chronology of Historical Documents 1827-2000 - Page 5 says:
In 1843 an annual taxation was re - imposed and Sultan Yusuf Mahamed a Somali from Geledi ( Digil subclan ) was named governor of Mogadishu . Ayaltimo 20:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The first section of the History section says
I mean, this can't be true, at least not the "very early". "Very early" would have been thousands of years ago -- many, actually. There are no traditions and old records that go back that far. How about either 
or
I'm not familiar with this article and not up to working thru the sources. Just pointing this out. Herostratus (talk) 00:02, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  First sentence of History section