Talk:Brain transplant

message: I agree with the objection to the merge. However, both articles are written in such a way that the two procedures could easily be mistaken for each other. I suggest editing both articles to remove this ambiguity and move all references to 'downloaders' to the current article.
--Phils 14:03, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: The page mind transfer covers all of these variants, and that's where "downloading conciousness" currently redirects. Bryan 02:08, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: Whosyourjudas just proposed merging this article with head transplant. I don't think that's entirely appropriate, since a head transplant and a whole-body transplant are rather different things; whole-body transplantation is primarily the realm of fiction and philosophy, whereas head transplants have actually been performed on chimps and proposed as a serious medical procedure for use in the current real world. Some of the philosophical and moral issues are the same, but then they're also similar to some of the issues raised in Mind transfer so cross-linking the articles to refer to the discussion of them shouldn't be a problem. However, I can also see the point that these two procedures could indeed be similar enough to be worth covering in a unified manner, so I'm tossing the issue in here on talk: to see what other people think. Bryan 05:28, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it'd be unreasonable.  Since the head transplant article is so small (not much more than a stub), it would probably be best to redirect the title here and put its text in as a section. BobGreenwade 17:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge proposal with [[head transplant]]

message: There is this one site that claims it has been done, though it look legitimate, there are certain things in it that might give it away that it isn't. Of course our first reaction is that it is indeed a hoax. I'm wondering if we should add in some informaiton about this site and tell that that thought they have no proof that they have actually done it, that they offer brain transplants.
BrainTrans
http://216.247.9.207/bthtml/about.htm
:This is a hoax/gag site.  The main problem currently with WBTs is the nerve-healing issue (which I recently added in to the main article).  Before there can be a successful transplant this issue must be resolved (though from all I've read it really is the last hurdle to the possibility).  Still, a link to this site (probably at this link) with that disclaimer, explaining that it's what such a procedure might look like in the end, probably wouldn't hurt. BobGreenwade 19:04, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the link noting "hoax / humor". If the link is not appropriate as humor, then it may be as hoax warning.--Patrick 12:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  BrainTrans hoax

message: Just out of curiousity, does anyone else think that 'Brain Transplant' would be a better name for this article? The two terms seem to be interchangable (judging from the first sentence), and brain transplant is less likely to confuse the average reader.
:The term "Brain Transplant" already redirects here for those searching under that term.  "Whole-body transplant" is (from what I've gathered) what the procedure is being called medically. BobGreenwade 18:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason is not bizarre or weird. Think of it from the patients perspective: When you wake up from sedation you have a totally new body.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.167.76 (talk) 19:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  And you wouldn't find that bizarre or weird? —Tamfang (talk) 07:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title Change? 

message: "The procedure seems to be a far-off goal. However, it should be noted that human cloning seemed equally impossible a generation ago."
I removed it and it got reverted so I offer discussion.  
That human cloning used to seem impossible is an observation completely peripheral to an article about brain transplants.  It's an observation one arguing a point may make in conversation, but not something an encyclopedia would add matter-of-factly.  I could just as easily counter with the technologies in fiction or of futurists that have not come to fruition by the year 2006.  I submit that the second sentence imposes a POV concerning short-term feasability.--Loodog 17:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  human cloning vs. brain transplant 

message: "In the final level of Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, players are given the choice to either use their brain as a replacement for the damaged vault computer or with General Barnaky's." This is exactly what I was hoping to learn...just what levels of what videogames this subject relates to. I think I should spin off a "how it relates to obscure games" encyclopedia.--Openman 23:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pointless info 

message: First paragraph, about brain transplants: "The necessary technology currently needed exists to fully and safely perform this procedure."
As far as I'm aware this is false, although I'd love to see a source.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.238.142 (talk) 10:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: good call!--FUNKAMATIC   ~talk 00:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed?? 

message: After all it was not that long ago that any sort of transplant was deemed to be impossible
88.110.147.235 (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Has anybody attempted a brain transplant

message: The act of transplanting the brain of a human, weather it be the entire brain of just the essential conscious identity portions will never be undertaken. The reason for this is advances in stem cell technology which will eventually allow repair and regeneration of major organs and eventually skeletal and spinal tissue. And even certain brain tissue.
Although neither is possible at present, the latter is obviously much easier and less risky. One would prefer if given the choice to simply regenerate the body they already posesses to a healthier younger state rather than the very dangerous procdure of transplanting their brain into a cloned (but brainless) version of their younger/healthier body.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.53.8 (talk) 21:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you be sure that you've eliminated all reasons for a brain transplant?  Perhaps the original body is poisoned and needs to be cut away to protect the brain. —Tamfang (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Stem cell therapy + gene therapy is another story, though. —Tamfang (talk) 05:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

text: If the replacement body is a clone with one chromosome changed, the stranger in the mirror should look more like the original than some consumers of plastic surgery. —Tamfang (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Who is "you"? Has it been removed by the same editor each time? —Tamfang (talk) 07:29, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Procedure that will never happen 

message: : Similar in many ways to this is the idea of mind uploading .... However, while 'transplanting' sees the ultimate goal as being a new body optimized for that brain ... and a transfer of the brain to that body, in the almost equally speculative procedure of 'downloading', the brain itself moves nowhere and may even be physically destroyed or discarded; the goal is rather to duplicate the information patterns contained within the brain.
In this paragraph, do uploading and downloading mean the same thing?
Where the brain is copied (destructively or not) to a simulator, I think uploading is the apter word.  To download is to copy a file from a bigger host (or a network) to a smaller (more local) computer.  I wouldn't assume that it's possible to put a human mind in anything simpler than a human brain.  (I suppose mind transfer could be considered "downloading" if the target is physically smaller than the original; would it be downloading to copy files from an old room-filling computer to a rack-mount server?)
The nearest thing to downloading that occurs to me in fiction is the practice of spinning off temporary subsets of a mind, to carry messages, e.g. the "ghosts" in The Bohr Maker by Linda Nagata; something similar appears briefly in (i think) Excession by Iain M. Banks. —Tamfang (talk) 00:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can imagine "downloading" to a host that does not need the pieces of the human brain that manage balance and breathing, for example. —Tamfang (talk) 19:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  downloading 

message: First of all, i’m absolutely ignorant in terms of medical training and such, so I apologize in advance if my question turns out to lack any sense.
Here we go: in the paragraph “existing challenges” the brain is said to be “an immunologically privileged organ”.
The ninth “external link”, though, has a comment stating that “the brain is no longer considered to be an immunologically privileged organ”.
Unfortunately the link redirects to a non-existing page, so I’m not able to read the article and understand what this means. I looked around on the website but could find nothing.
So, here’s my question: is the brain considered “an immunologically privileged organ” or not? In either case, I guess a part of the article needs to be modified, unless I got this all wrong and we’re talking about different things, or aspects, or whatever. (again, I have no medical training, so be patient if the question is silly, and if it’s not, I guess someone expert in the field should correct this article.)
Thanks! Idonthavetimeforthiscarp 13:49, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification 

message: All references to fictional accounts of this type of technology should be removed to another article, they serve no purpose other than to confuse the issue, as if to say this technology is utterly hypothetical and should be treated as fictional. Suffice it to say the technology to perform such a procedure exists, whether or not it's being used presently. Repeated citations of fictional accounts simply muddy the water and add grist to the mill for anyone who wants to engage in denialism on this issue.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.81.236.15 (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of References to Fiction 

message: I noticed in the Immune privilege article that it says that the brain isn't actually immunologically privileged. Which article is saying the truth? - 89.70.239.244 (talk) 20:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Immunologically privileged or not? 

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