Talk:Jazzar Pasha

message: *French Wikipedia article :fr:Djezzar Pacha has some interesting info. AnonMoos 07:41, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional information to add? 

message: It is obvious that the article on Cezzar Ahmet Pasha is about the same man. As I believe "Jezzar Pasha" is the most common name, I will go ahead and merge information from that article into this one, and the create a redir. A problem is that in neither article are there any sources :-(    Regards, Huldra (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Again, that spelling is rather anachronistic, because the spelling conventions or orthography used didn't exist until around 1928... AnonMoos (talk) 21:36, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Cezzar Paşa

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message: Jazzar was not born in the town of Stolac. Safvet Beg Bašagić which is objectively the best native source on this subject (from neighbouring Nevesinje) writes that he was born in Fatnica, (Modern day Bileća, which then was a part of Stolac. He writes that Ahmed hails from the Pervan family. Which would make his birth name Ahmed Pervan. It is surprising to me that this was never mentioned in this Wikipedia since this is usually a mentioned fact in Bosnian texts about him. This is mentioned i his book Znameniti Hrvati - Bošnjaci i Hercegovci u Turskoj carevini (Illustrious Croats - Bosniaks and Herzegovinians in the Ottoman empire) (1931). This is also a known fact among Bosniaks that hail from the Eastern Herzegovinian Muslim belt that stretches from north of Bileća to Nevesinje.
Secondly, i don't see any reason for me to motivate why Ahmed was a Bosniak/Bosnian or whatever, and not a Albanian. The talk topic above me already talks about this. 
My problem lies in the organized destruction of the wikipage, randomly, a bunch of obviously Albanian users show up. Make a edit and then protect their edit from everybody else. Someone that often looks at Balkan related Wikipedia pages will also recognize the names of some of these users.
I'm not the best at Wikipedia. I'm asking others if there is a way to get someone "higher up" involved. Because i believe that anyone with a ounce of objectivity will be honest and recognize what has happened here.  Rijekaneretva (talk) 13:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: What exactly are you alluding to? Be specific please. Alltan (talk) 14:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

text: Relying on a single source and a non-historian Bosniak writer is insufficient to substantiate his ethnicity. In Chad F. Emmett's book 'Beyond the Basilica: Christians and Muslims in Nazareth,' he mentions 'Ahmad pasha, an Albanian soldier known as al-Jazzar'. Additionally, Michael Dumper and Bruce Stanley, in 'Cities in the Middle East and North Africa,' refer to 'an Albanian Mamluk named Ahmad Pasha al-Jazzar', while Faye Day in 'Every Nook and Cranny' states that 'Today's Akko was built by an Albanian, Ahmad, who became Turkish pasha Al-Jazzar'. These are just a few of the sources available, and more can be provided to support this argument. Based.shqiptar.frompirok (talk) 12:10, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jazzars origins and obvious Albanian POV pushing