Talk:Pat Condell

message: I wrote most of the article under dispute, and have been at pains to make it as neutral as possible. As well as quoting Mr Condell, I've also quoted his critics on the Berkeley Council, and the author Dinesh D'Souza. Everything in the article is backed up with citation, so I don't understand how saying this article has "Laughable neutrality, it almost needs a delete and start again" has any basis in fact at all. What is it based on? If these accusations aren't backed up, I would request that the neutrality dispute banner be taken down bingo99, 23:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reviewed the article and I don't see problems with neutrality, this seems a long list of facts and deeds, no opinions offered. 76.20.226.239 01:59, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. Jprulestheworld (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

text: "article seems ridiculously long for a minor internet figure" Why? All the sections of the article are valid and talk about things that deserve to appear on a Wikipedia, like the history of his career in comedy, and the controversy he sparked with his very widely-viewed videos. And anyway, I've seen much longer articles than this. Jprulestheworld
Currently the 2nd most subscribed to user on YouTube of all time
http://uk.youtube.com/members?t=a&p=1&s=ms&g=0
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*bingo99, 12:30, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality dispute

message: Perhaps it would be wise to note that, while undoubtedly there are many who watched his YouTube videos in support of his views, there are a lot of people who watch it in deploration, and use quotes contained in the video as ammunition in debates. Members of anti-British National Party and anti-National Front organisations would be an example.
The article as is seems to give complete validity to his response to there being 1 million hits on The Trouble with Islam, without actually being a bit more skeptical about those statistics.
Ginger Warrior (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the hits claims. 

message: Today I found that his primary web site http://www.patcondell.net is disabled. I'm not sure why. It could be as a result of threats to the hosting company since similar threats occurred relative to the main web site for the movie Fitna. That's a supposition on my part, but it's a strong suspicion based on what has been occurring lately relative to death threats going around the net to sites & people critical of Islam. I hope we hear more about why the site was suspended. cbean (talk)
Update on April 3, 2008: Mr. Condell states at http://www.myspace.com/patcondell that the site will return in a few days.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.60.64 (talk) 18:00, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  his primary web site is disabled as of April 2, 2008 

message: I made a change to the article regarding a possible copyright violation of one of Pat Condell's videos 'Appeasing Islam'.
This video is available on BNP Internet TV, so far as I can tell, illegally, as Pat Condell has publicly stated on the FAQ page on his website that he does not support the BNP, and yet they are at the moment using one of his videos on BNP Internet TV.  BNP Internet TV is powered by mogolus.com which requires that users import the video into the Mogolus system and also that they have the required copyright permission to broadcast the material and to allow Mogolus to broadcast the material.
I think this is an important addition to the Pat Condell wiki page. If it is important that YouTube has censored his video, it is also important that his fans know who is apparently illegally distributing his videos and that he does not support the BNP.
If you have any comments as to how this information should be presented, please discuss them here, otherwise I'll add the information to the page again.
Thinkbeforeyoustink (talk) 16:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  BNP Copyright theft of Pat Condell video 'Appeasing Islam' 

message: He's got a lot of internet fans, but I can think of many others who do too. Do they all deserve wikipedia pages? 92.11.96.240 (talk) 15:48, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The popularity of his fans give him notoriety? And since when does being published on DVD give notoriety, since it doesn't take much to publish your own DVDs. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 11:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not the fans or DVDs, but secondary sources. See WP:BIO. Rror (talk) 14:18, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this guy really notable enough to deserve his own page? 

message: This article was in :Category:1951 births, but the lead states he was born on 1 November 1949. Assuming that's correct, I've placed it in :Category:1949 births, but can anyone provide a source to prove this is correct? Robofish (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth? 

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thread_title:  GA Review-Failed 

message: Could anyone confirm his date of birth? There seems to be little consensus on this, judging from the pages in other Wikipedias (in chronological order):
# Spanish wiki: Nov 1, 1949
# French wiki: Nov 1, 1949
# Hebrew wiki: Nov 1, 1949
# Russian wiki: Nov 1, 1949
# English wiki: Nov 23, 1949
# Finnish wiki: Nov 23, 1949
# German wiki: Nov 1, 1951
# Dutch wiki: Nov 1, 1951
Considering he is a carbon-based bipedal life-form, I doubt that he has been born thrice. Or shall we simply vote for it?
 18:21, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: My search for reliable sources on his birthdate only found this 2006 timeout interview (already cited in article) by Michael Hay which had "is 56", making his birth year either 1949 or 1950. Tineout may have it wrong of course, but it's likely more reliable than various wikipedias. Condell's page here also has "first performed on stage at the age of thirty-two in a comedy sketch group called Mountbatten’s Plimsoll." If anyone could find sources for the dates this group was active, that might help narrow down the birthdate. 84user (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth (2) 

message: I deleted the wikilink to Eliot Cohen as it looked like the original wikilink did not accurately connect to the Elliot Cohen cited.  That is, it referred to someone not connected with the Berkeley Commission in question.
Since then, I've corresponded with the city official responsible for the minutes of the commission.  That person reported that their Mr Cohen did not use a middle name, and has since left the commission.  Hence, I hope the wikilink will remain deleted.--S. Rich 04:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Editing 

message: So if Condell is born in England, why not describe him as English?  How does he describe himself?  IOW, what is the rational behind the latest change?--S. Rich 04:24, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You must mean this change from English to British. He describes himself as a "biped carbon-based life form", and as far as I can see (and hear) avoids any mention of his nationality or where he was born. Accordingly, and after failing to find any source outside of wikipedia - not even a blog - I have just removed the contradicting and uncited mentions of a birth-place. I then added "Irish Catholic" lifted from the Time Out interview, but I feel that does not really determine either a nationality or a place of birth. If anyone has any more concrete information please add it, with a cite of course. -84user (talk) 20:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

text: And ... I have just added Ireland as his birth place. That will teach me to always check the primary source. -84user (talk) 21:00, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I seriously don't think Pat Condell identifies as Irish. In fact, I don't know what the hell he DOES identify as. He clearly does care a fair bit about Ireland and from his own words, has "Known a lot of Irishmen" (sic, Women too I guess). His "Irish Joke" video clearly came from being Irish-Born and growing up in England (he was probably repeating some of the jokes that were told to him as he was growing up). His nationality is a bit of a blank spot but when it comes to someone like Condell, I think it's safe to say it hardly matters. --Τασουλα (talk) 00:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree that English-born makes no sense, especially in light of his claim to be born in Ireland, but I am now uncertain what is meant by "English writer" in the lede. That claim is cited to  but that does not include the word English, only the phrase "Church of England" (I just noticed in 2010 I added that cite for "born an Irish Catholic" but it has been misplaced to "English" since). Despite looking for reliable sources I've found nothing more than he was born in Ireland and brought up in England. If reliable sources say nothing more than this, then wikipedia should not synthesise (or worse, outright invent) claims. -84user (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember in one of his older videos, he referred to himself as a Briton and often uses the term "we" when referring to the UK. Combine that with his growing up in the UK, I think that qualifies him as British? – Illegitimate Barrister, 09:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  English vs British? 

message: "In April 2010, Condell urged his viewers to vote, as he was, for the UK Independence Party in the 2010 general election.[43][44][45]"
Either the wording is bad or it hints that Pat told his viewers to vote for UKIP, which he clearly didn't--he asked for them to "vote small, think big."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benzodiazepines (talk • contribs) 08:47, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the heads-up, I have reworded that misrepresentation of his words. 84user (talk) 02:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vote Small, Think Big comments 

message: In this edit I reverted the statement that Condell claimed to be a UKIP member because I have listened to the cited Condell video () several times and I have never heard him claim to be a member. If there is a source that does support that claim, please add it with specific quote, and if a video or audio source, the time in that source where the claim can be heard. Wikipedia must be careful not to attribute statements not made by the subject. I have just now re watched the whole video and can re-confirm Pat Condell neither urges voters to vote for, nor claims to be a member of, UKIP. -84user (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Voting for is not member of

message: Why is it in Italics? It should be changed. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me!  23:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed  from the article - it was invoking  which in turn makes the article title italic. 84user (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Article name

message: This article ignores the fact that Pat Condell is known primarily as a famous critic of Islam. Most of his YouTube videos chastise Islam and Western appeasement of Islam. He said "I oppose Islam, for the simple reason that Islam opposes me and everything I believe in." (source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWw7H4m389o) The chapter about UKIP should be replaced with a chapter about Islam.Quinacrine (talk) 17:27, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that his comedy is characterized as critical of religion in general certainly describes it well enough.  But to add "criticism of Islam" in the overall description (or even in specific instances)  leads to BALANCE problems. E.g;, is he more well known as a critic of Islam as opposed to other religions or institutions?  If so, RS is needed to support this info. With this in mind, I have removed some of the specific criticism of Islam material as it has cropped up. As this is a BLP, I think we need to be circumspect and only allow such material based on RS and CONSENSUS. – S. Rich (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's important to note that Pat Condell's agenda has changed. pat started out by making videos, humourously condemning Religion in general, although notably omitting Judaism.  It's only more recently he's become exclusively focussed upon anti-Islam broadcasts. As long as the article reflects this change of focus, which it should, there's no issue about "BALANCE problems".  The user S. Rich who says "The fact that his comedy is characterized as critical of religion in general... " is not describing Pat's more recent work accurately at all. It is not comedy nor critical of religion in general anymore, it is anti_Islam rants. 95.148.226.209 (talk) 03:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Pat Condell is a famous critic of Islam

message: Is it really necessary to have three of this guy's videos in the article? Seems to violate WP:NOTADVERTISING and WP:NOTSOAPBOX to me... 86.168.93.171 (talk) 08:05, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my! A reader might look at those videos!! Can we allow that???--S. Rich (talk) 13:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not exactly advertising when the very reason he is notable is for his youtube videos. --Τασουλα (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Videos 

message: Last month Pat Condell released a second book titled 'Freedom is my Religion,' shouldn't it be listed in the works section?--SwaziSpring (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:BB --S. Rich (talk) 19:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

text: Added. --A pinhead (talk) 10:03, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing works? 

message: He is not in Ireland or UK, he must be in Israel  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.212.5 (talk) 20:29, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  yes that would be the most likely location for him given his current political leanings 95.148.226.209 (talk) 03:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

text: Treating the question at face value, I have not found any reliable sources that indicate either his citizenship or country of residence. If anyone can find anything (not unreliable blogs nor original resaerch) please use it as a citation. Meanwhile I made this edit to remove two claims with no supporting sources. -84user (talk) 20:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is he now?  

message: Why beating around the bush: He 99% critizises Islam and recieved the death threats from islamistic persons. Pat Condell stated himself that he was never threatened by christians in one of his videos. 77.180.203.212 (talk) 14:27, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wording: "short monologues denouncing religion to a number of video sharing websites, consequently receiving numerous death threats" 

message: We have citations to two personal blogs related to/by :PZ Myers: :ScienceBlogs and FreeThoughtBlogs. While Myers is an expert, these blogs are not about topics in which he has expertise, namely biology or wacky claims about creation. As this article is a BLP, we cannot include Myer's blog comments because they are WP:SPS. – S. Rich (talk) 15:18, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur.--A pinhead (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blog material 

message: There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages. 
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion. 
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion|Request for Comments]] 

message: Please remove :Category:YouTube videos per the category documentation - the category is not for categorizing YouTubers. 65.88.88.203 (talk) 19:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2015 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Add Category:Opposition to Islam in the United Kingdom because he clearly oppose Islam in the United Kingdom and the rest of Europe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:DD50:8C00:1921:4DE2:CBAF:1963 (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Category:Opposition to Islam in the United Kingdom  

message: Please update the link in reference #37. The valid link to the article is --> https://nl.express.live/islamofobie-is-een-rare-term-alsof-het-slecht-vinden-van-een-religie-een-ziekte-is-exp-193673/. Wording of the reference stays the same. Thanks! Ariane-newsm (talk) 14:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done NiciVampireHeart 22:33, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2019