Talk:Archenemy

message: Is it me, or is the majority of names on this list a collection of comic book, cartoon and video game references? Aside from Moriarty, there are reletively no literary references. .... - Nick15 00:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Literary references 

message: Does this term come from the idea of archery?  Arch enemies against eachother?
:-/
seems most plausible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.154.24 (talk) 03:17, 11 October 2006
:I don't think so; "arch-" seems to be a general prefix meaning "most important", as in archdeacon, archduke and, for Discworld fans, Archchancellor. It might be Greek. Daibhid C 15:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Etymology 

message: Tim McKeon doesn't exist. Who keeps putting that name there? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.86.18.41 (talk) 20:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tim McKeon 

message: I believe that DC Comics' Ultraman is another archenemy of Superman, as in a dark mirror. Kanjilearner 13:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archenemies of Superman 

message: Naruto isnt a cartoon ..its orgin came from the manga which is a comic book (in western terms) just like Dragon Ball Z ...76.28.224.23 08:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naruto section... 

message: When does the list of archenemies get put back on?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by RedOrange&Blue (talk • contribs) 19:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of archenemies 

message: Maybe we should do all the archenemies in seperate ways but one in the same
Comic book and Literature archenemies,
tv show archenemies,
movie archenemies,
cartoon archenemies,
and video game archenemies.
Do that so that so it doesn't get too crowed abit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.101.238 (talk) 08:24, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  archenemy list 

message: Where it is currently mentioned that qualifiers for a character being an archenemy include the scale on which they operate, how often they act as a threat compared to others, or their posing the greatest physical threat. However, it would seem that many characters are regarded as being archenemies due to having a more personal effect upon the hero, such as being responsible for a tragedy in the heroes life. I am not proposing that this article be greatly expanded on, only that this reason be added to the current list. 66.24.238.22 (talk) 01:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  personal significance 

message: If there are no reliable references to prove that two characters are archenemies then I think they should be removed what does everyone else think? Dwanyewest (talk) 03:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Citations equals Removals 

message: Shouldn't the Daleks be listed as the Doctor's archenemy instead of The Master?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.65.16 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's absurd. ONE MAN CAN NOT BE THE ARCHENEMY OF AN ENTIRE SPECIES. 67.169.219.226 (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Master 

message: I believe that Venom (comics) is the archenemy of Spiderman, and should be added.--Doctor Foci Whom 01:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spiderman 

message: I know that an organization can be a strong foe, but should the title of archenemy go to an individual rather than a group. I'm referring to the Combine from HL and the Covenant from Halo. Anyone else see that?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.225.82.194 (talk) 05:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organizations as Archenemies? 

message: Who keeps deleting my example in the Halo universe of The Arbiter and Tartarus? That's a perfectely good example.
96.253.162.215 (talk) 02:54, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tartarus and the Arbiter 

message: I think the example list should be restored, why was it deleted anyway?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.142.85.194 (talk) 05:26, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew this would happen one day, which is why I added the / Etymology / section. At least I can add this page back to my watch-list and still be able to notice other watch-listed pages now. --Joshua Issac (talk) 19:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WHY? 

message: Archenemies exist outside of Spiderman, Batman, Superman, whateverman sagas. Shouldn't remove some of them and add a couple of classic references? E.g. Holmes vs. Professor Moriarty. ~~Nicholas A. Chambers 01:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fewer super-hero references

message: A list of fictional archenemies was recently closed as delete. In order to preserve the more useful items, I re-added them to this parent article. I placed a comment/notice of this in the article for future editors. User 70.111.13.52 added further unsourced entries. I reverted the edit, expanded the comment and provided summary. The user the reverted me two more times, re-adding the entries and removing the expanded comment and bot corrections. Finally, User:Supuh reverted me once more. I am now on 3RR and am taking this to the Talk page. I am assuming good faith against the unexplained reverts over new entries and other changes.
The consensus has been established and these items have been deleted. I restored the entries in good faith so that the list may be expanded with sourced verifiable additions. This seemed like the best course of action instead of letting the list disappear. However, even current entries barely pass verifiability. So I am strongly opposing more unsourced entries, which for all purposes here is WP:OR. So I contest this material (as true as it may be) for its validity and ask for burden of evidence on the additions. This list has already been deleted and items should not be restored without further discussion. If the user wished to contest the deletion, this should be done in Deletion review. —  Hellknowz  ▎talk  19:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed a RfC as more editors keep adding unsourced entries and this will soon become unmanagable. Unfortunately, I suspect the original editor may not respond to me here. The decision was clear — delete. But I am in breach of 3 reverts to keep restoring the page. —  Hellknowz  ▎talk  13:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reverted to your version of the article, and restored some sourced entries from the previous version before the article was split. Also, if there are entries in the list which were not there in the pre-split versions (253619285 and ones found here) then we are required to provide attribution per the GFDL and CC-BY-SA. Therefore, if there are such entries and we have consensus to merge them into this article, we should request the undeletion of the list (as a protected redirect to prevent editing, if necessary) so that the page history is visible. --Joshua Issac (talk) 21:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the discussion was closed as delete and not merge. I forgot about the attribution, so I may double-check if there are any entries needing attribution. —  Hellknowz  ▎talk  22:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with keeping this list to only sourced entries. If someone decides to edit war over this they can visit this discussion page to work it out. Shooterwalker (talk) 04:45, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  3RR on contested entry additions 

message: In addition, I have a proposal for a cleaner, less muddled, more organized format for the list, if indeed it is now staying on this article. Alright, here is my proposal:
Name of originating media: SIDE A ARCHENEMIES (Typically good guys) - SIDE B ARCHENEMIES (Typically bad guys).
EXAMPLE: BASIC
Superman Comics: Superman - Lex Luthor
EXAMPLE: MULTIPLE ON ONE SIDE
Doctor Who: The Doctor - The Master/Davros
EXAMPLE: MULTIPLE ON BOTH SIDES
Halo Series: Master Chief/Cortana - 343 Guilty Spark/Gravemind
EXAMPLE: SUB-ARCH
Spiderman Comics: Spiderman - The Green Goblin/Doctor Octopus
:Venom Comics: Venom - Carnage
EXAMPLE: MORE THAN TWO SIDES
Lost: Person A - Person B - Person C (see below)
(Here)I do not watch Lost, but I remember seeing that it's listing here had some kind of "three-way" archenemies.
Does this satisfy all? 67.169.219.226 (talk) 21:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I prefer to have it in sentences. PersonA is archenemy of PersonB in WorkA. MonsterA, MonsterB, and MonsterC are archenemies of HeroA in FilmA. Prose reads better than tables or syntaxed bullet-points. Special cases, such as Lost, should definitely be explained in prose. Indentation should be avoided unless there are many sub-items. Also, note that boldface is reserved for special cases only and italics should be used instead for emphasis. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:28, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New Format Proposal

message: Okay, we need to get this straight: One or Two individuals CANNOT be the archenemies of an entire Organization or Species. Of this I feel very strongly. You can have individuals be the arches of eachother (i.e. Master Chief & Cortana - Guilty Spark & Gravemind), and you can have whole species and organizations be the arches of eachother (i.e. Covenant - UNSC), but you cannot cross these wires (i.e. Master Chief - Covenant). Agreed? 67.169.219.226 (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that Wikipedia is concerned with verifiability and not truth. This means a reliable source will have to say who is arch-enemy of who. If the source(s) says Covenant are arch-enemies of Master Chief, then so must the article. Unfortunately, neither your nor my personal preference determines inclusion criteria. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:21, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that Wikipedia is concerned with verifiability and not truth  LOLWUT 71.125.151.139 (talk) 00:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Verifiability – "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true." —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 05:57, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Individuals - Organizations/Species

message: Should Vegeta be added to the Archenemy page or not? 173.79.43.139 (talk) 22:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Watching a little bit of Dragon Ball shows myself. I am just wondering who he would be a archenemy of or who would be a archenemy of him. He was a rival of Goku for a while but Freiza would be revealed more a archenemy of him a later on. His inclusion would only do though if he is reliably sourced. And if so he belongs in the anime and manga section. ;) − Jhenderson 777 21:12, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vegeta? 

message: Just came onto this article to have a look around and looked at the comic book archenemies. There seemed to be one glaring omission; Batman and Joker? I can understand not mentioning some characters like Flash and Reverse Flash/Captain Cold/Gorilla Grodd (since he seems to get a new archenemy every decade), but Batman and Joker is perhaps the most well known example of an archenemy in the public consciousness, perhaps only rivaled by Lex and Superman. It's not like it's going to be hard to source it, so I'm just curious as to why it's not in the list? Comics (talk) 01:15, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It is in the main examples: "Caused, or at least connected to, traumatic events and tragedies in the hero's life (e.g. the Joker and Batman,[11][12]..". This is probably the more common addition. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 07:24, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But then there's a doubling up of Lex Luthor, Dr Claw, Lord Voldemort and a few others who are also listed in the main examples. Comics (talk) 14:42, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They got to be removed then (unless we decide to duplicate items). I never checked it thoroughly after merge. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:21, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wait, wait, backpedal a second. 

message: Andy to Chucky?--Austin Robinson 12:39, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Child's Play

message: Why were Hordak and Skeletor in a different list then Megatron all 3 were toy-figures that wanted to sell so they came up with the cartoon shows  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.169.251.74 (talk) 07:35, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toys vs Television

message: *Dr. Drakken is the archenemy of Kim Possible in the Kim Possible series
*Monkey Fist is the archenemy of Ron Stoppable in the Kim Possible series
Feel these should be added but cannot find appropriate references. However, if you follow the links to the biographies, wikipedia already has the characters listed as arch-enemies there. KP-TheSpectre (talk) 22:38, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV section 

message: I think there should only be one archenemy for each hero or character as you can't have many no.1 enemies but many enemies. Like Mephisto is definitely the archenemy of Ghost Rider, Green Goblin for Spider-man, Magneto for the X-men, and Elmer Fudd for Bugs Bunny. The other archenemies for those characters are their top enemies, not their no.1 enemies.
Karankyle (talk) 04:33, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: We rely on reliable sources to establish who is whose enemy; sometimes the sources name several archenemies and we are not really allowed to select those we want -- that would be original research. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:11, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Only One Archenemy

message: I felt that havign the empty "In theater" category immediately before the vaguely named "In Play" category was messy. So I removed the "In Theater" part all together, and renamed "In Play" to "In Theater Perfromance." But I'm not entirely sure that was the best way to phrase it. It sounds awkward, just not as awkward as it was. 74.132.252.16 (talk) 20:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  minor clean up 

message: Being a fan I do agree with you're assessment. As you can see here the key word is actually nemesis in most books. So there is that.  Jhenderson 777 14:41, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gollum nemesis of Samwise 

message: Most entries in the list are passing mentions and clearly written by someone who does not understand the difference between an enemy and an archenemy. Even the folklore section, which probably has the most potential has for its only sources a passing mention in a collection of essays about an island, a passing mention in the adcopy for a theatrical production, and a passing mention in the adcopy for a TV series.  Edward321 (talk) 01:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we have poor sources and that is one of the reasons why we are doing the discussions. I even admit to just citing random stuff on this article but I learned the error of that and am hoping we can change all that due to discussion. I don't really think folklore characters actually have archenemies. Definitely when sources were hard to find about it. But please let's mostly bring the discussion to the above sections where we are trying to fix these problems. Jhenderson 777 02:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor sourcing 

message: In the initial paragraph, the word "archenemesis" is referred to as being the same as archenemy. I am not sure, but maybe the E I bolded in this word is a typo. I think archnemesis (as spelled in later paragraphs) was misspelled as this word. 2603:6081:4100:A5:CDE8:CCC4:E539:CF99 (talk) 03:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that was a typo, good catch. —  HELLKNOWZ ∣ TALK 14:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Archenemesis" spelled wrong?