Talk:List of Chelsea F.C. records and statistics

message: Do please explain why Chelsea winning meaningless pre-season friendlies like the umbro international tournament belongs here, but Chelsea players winning actual meaningful awards does not ? And stop using the 'unsourced' excuse. It's disingenuous because we both know you'd still delete it anyway. Do you require a source to know that Frank Lampard was FWA Footballer of the Year in 2005? Do you think I'm making it up?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.244.95 (talk) 00:05, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And why would we need to list every single personal award won by Chelsea player at this page? And you said other articles have this - which ones? Definitely not FL-status articles like Arsenal, Lpool or United. Well, United article have this, but only a few major awards (Ballon d’Or, Golden Shoe, FIFA World Player of the Year etc.), and not every single minor thing. Snowflake91 (talk) 00:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Yes, POTY is notable, but not tons of other minor awards you added, including completely irrelevant player/manager of the month awards, African Footballer of the Year, playmaker of the season, young player of the year, PFA Team of the Year, PFA Fans player of the year etc. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'm fine with removing pre-season trophies, but then get rid of all of them - why did you not delete the Stamford Bridge Trophy, Glasgow Charity Cup and Middlesex Charity Cup? Those are meaningless trophies, and were obviously contested by the reserves, and they are also the only entries in the list that are unsourced because I literally could not find any source for these matches outside of unreliable thechels wikia. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:37, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: There is nothing wrong with runner-up results, the section is actually called "Honours and achievements", not just "honours". Some of the clubs even have runner-up years in their main articles, like Manchester City F.C.#Honours, so its fine if the runner-up years are listed in this article. And no statistics page ever recorded player caps/goals, not even the Chelsea website, for "Middlesex Charity Cup", so it was obviously not taken as a competitive match and was almost certainly contested by the reserves, so either get rid of all those minor trophies and list only those that are listed on official trophy cabinet, or we should keep all of them, it would be discriminate for us to decide which pre-season and minor trophies are "notable and worthy", and which are not. Snowflake91 (talk) 17:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Then we delete all pre-season trophies and runners-up years. I suggest that we do it like at Liverpool article with the table format, to make it different than the list already present at Chelsea F.C.#Honours, and the official website is also using the table format. Snowflake91 (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it okay now? I didnt include any pre-1946 honours, as those "London Victory Cup", "National War Fund Cup", "London Combination" etc. are really minor, non-competitive trophies, and are also not included on official website. Snowflake91 (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

text: Added, but only a few of the most important, top-class awards that a player / keeper can get. Snowflake91 (talk) 00:14, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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