Talk:Alexander Khalifman

message: Khalifman is a former world chess champion. This should be the very first information, not "Khalifman is of Jewish descent" (??!). In what way is that relevant? I very much hope that should someone I know achieve a status that makes him important enough for Wikipedia the first sentence will not be "X is of Christian descent" !! One might even consider deleting that sentence.
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92.228.63.190 (talk) 10:15, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Khalifman's world champion status is mentioned in the opening section. His Jewish lineage is an appropriate thing to mention in the "Early Life" section. (Also, I believe you may be conflating "religion" and "ethnicity". "Jewish" can sometimes mean the one but not the other.) 2601:646:C000:1230:7523:7993:C2E0:52D (talk) 03:37, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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message: As a former World Chess Champion a top importance would seem appropriate. ChessCreator (talk) 20:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a sound argument, but I perceive a hugh gap between the importance of Alekhine, Kasparov or Fischer on one side, and Khalifman on the other side. So if you do not mind, I would set it down to High. SyG (talk) 21:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a matter of opinion. Most chess fans do not regard Khalifman, Ponomariov, or Kasimdzhanov (not "Kazimzhinov") as true world champions, because they won their titles in knockout events (aka "lotteries"), which clearly did not produce world-class champions. Your argument seems to be based on the concept that "if it was the 'law' at the time, then it must be regarded as legitimate," but this argument is disproven by any number of historical examples of bad laws (for instance: the attempt to defend Nazis who committed terrible atrocities by saying they were "just following orders" has been rejected, despite the fact that the German laws at the time allowed such atrocities). You also seem to be forgetting that, concurrent with the FIDE knockout champions, there continued to be a parallel lineage of world champions (Kasparov and Kramnik), carrying on the classical line founded in the 19th century by Wilhelm Steinitz. Your final suggestion--that Anand and Topalov are legitimate champions because of their super-GM status--is contradicted by your own earlier argument, that the strength of champions isn't what makes them champions. 2601:646:C000:1230:7523:7993:C2E0:52D (talk) 04:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
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