Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Novels/Harry Potter task force/Archive 5

message: Hi, while doing some poking around relevant to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry Potter music, I noticed that your template had no mention of the soundtracks. I thought it would be a nice addition, so I went ahead, (WP:BOLD,) and did so. Feedback would be appreciated. --RoninBKETC 11:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtracks column on Tempate:Harrypotter 

message: Why is there so much fan art in the articles?  Surely no one accepts fan art as canon?  To keep the quality of these articles up, I think all fan art should be removed from articles as it is not canon or officially sanctioned.  There is already enough fan speculation in the text, it shouldn't continue to the images as well.  John Reaves 06:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably because it is non-copyright, and articles need illustrations. I think images from the films are much to be preferred on grounds of good content, and I doubt warner brothers will have any complaint as it is all advertising for them. But there are are still limits on what is  includeable without consent and we try to stick to this. Sandpiper 15:23, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan Art 

message: This article isn't very useful, and is drastically incompletely. In addition, the longest list of the three sections concerns itself with filming locations for the movies, something which the article title, books, doesn't seem to suggest. Either we greatly expand the article, or merge in the appropriate info to an existing article and delete this one. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 23:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and think it should be merged with relevant information.  John Reaves 00:58, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of places in the Harry Potter books]] 

message: People here may be interested in a proposed I have made for Draco-related pages.  I have suggested that Draco (currently about the ancient Athenian lawgiver) should be moved to Draco (lawgiver) and that Draco (disambiguation) should be moved to Draco.  Given that Draco Malfoy is one of the Dracos in the disambiguation page and that Draco Malfoy is one of the top terms in a Google search on "Draco", I though that people here may be interested. Dr. Submillimeter 15:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we would have no problem with the move of Draco. Go right ahead if there's other consensus. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 17:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Draco move has been approved and completed. —Doug Bell talk 11:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complex Draco move 

message: Is character's patronus form important enough to incorporate into the HP character template?  I think it would be a good way to mention it, as it is difficult to incorporate into the article.  John Reaves 05:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't know enough character patroni/patronuses. Those we do know can be put into the article easily enough - if necessary, with a phrase like, "Such and such attended the D.A. etc, etc, learned lots of spells, and produced a [insert animal here] patronus in the final lesson." Or similar. It isn't necessary to add a Patronus to the info box. Michaelsanders 12:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: eventually. That does seem like a good idea. Valley2city 08:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Patronus 

message: I think there are several or more articles that can be merged into others - as it is, something like Harry Potter characters birthday list is covered in all the article spaces, and just taking up space? Can't Flesh-Eating Slug Repellent be merged into another article, along with Felix Felicis? Can Miranda Goshawk be merged into Minor Harry Potter characters? Probably revealing my deletionist tendencies here :P. Thanks, RHB 22:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dates in Harry Potter can't show Dobby or Flitwick. Also, the birthday list is easier - especially now - for immediate reference. The astrology is gone. Michaelsanders 23:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A few things

message: I've been creating links to the name-specific sections within the minor characters page, and I wanted to get an opinion on whether or not each section should start "In the Harry Potter series...", or something similar, since the link takes you directly to the section without indicating that that you're looking at a list of HP characters list.  John Reaves 03:46, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It should be clear in the context of the link that it is related to Harry Potter. If it's not clear, make it so! :-) The sections themselves don't need an "In J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter series…" or whatever to begin with, though the lead should. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 06:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There not links, just redirects; though I doubt any minor character names would be mentioned outside of an HP context.  John Reaves 09:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I understand what you're saying, but it is also important that the articles make sense. Anyone reading through the article from the top doesn't want to be constantly reminded that these are HP characters. That sort of repetition becomes annoying. But I do think every article should start plainly labelled that it is an HP/Rowling page in the introductory sentence. Sandpiper 18:54, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Okay, I had started removing the intros already, I'll just finish it up now. John Reaves 18:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor characters 

message: I am creating an article, Students in Harry Potter's Year, to properly organise the information from the 'Harry Potter and Me' student list (which is currently very hard to find due to being spread out all over the various articles, or not at all mentioned). Does anyone want to help? Michaelsanders 18:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Both the student article and the Birthday list have been put up for deletion. Would anyone who wants them retained please help to prevent this from happening. Michaelsanders 18:53, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, those who wish to delete these articles lack working knowledge of Harry Potter, this Project, and display an obvious contempt for the Harry Potter articles. Furthermore, they are making sweeping statements (e.g. "Only the most devoted fans care...") without any sort of hard evidence, and the least possible claim to representing that viewpoint. Michaelsanders 22:18, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Students in Harry's year

message: See WP:GA/R - the concern seems to be an in-universe approach and lack of inline citations. Please assume good faith and work to improve Lord Voldemort. - Malkinann 22:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lord Voldemort's up for GA Review

message: 1. So far as I am aware, in British English, an abbreviation is not dotted if the last letter is retained. So, approx. (approximate) is dotted. Mrs (Mistress), or Sr (Senior), are not. I have already changed the articles of Barty Crouch Sr and Jr to reflect this (although am now wondering if the titles should not be their full names); unless anyone has any real objections, could editors please strive to remove inappropriate stops in other articles.
2. HBP spells the verb of apparate as apparition. If this is the only such spelling, please could it be established in all relevant articles - there seems to be confusion at present. If it is spelled as apparation at any point, please cite it, so we can decide what to do.
Any other questionable spellings, please note them here so we can all know what to do about them. Michaelsanders 15:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the American editions: "apparition" is most commonly used though in my first edition GOF I think there's an error, as "apparation" appears once. It's apparition all throughout HBP, when it's most prominent. I can't speak about Mrs and Sr as we take those far differently on this side of the pond, but obviously we will stick with those without a period/stop at the end. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 19:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

text: It's hidden in her official website follow the instructions here http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/sources/jkr.com/jkr-com-tips.html#jottings1.  HP Lexicon lists it as "Bathsheba", put the picture on her website looks more like "Bathsheda".  John Reaves 01:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, the name can't be taken into canon because there are other things on those idle jottings which have been proven wrong by canon (Trelawney, e.g.). --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is definitely not Bathsheba: the final consonant is definitely a d.  However, the fourth letter could be either h or u - it could be either, based on other examples in that manuscript. As for its reliability, I already know that: the general rule seems to be that such jottings are tentatively accepted until something more authoratative comes along, but that it is made clear that the writings aren't reliable. I myself merely wanted to establish some consistency in relevant articles (which seems rather difficult). Michaelsanders 14:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Spellings

message: What's the format for inline citation?  Has it been done in any HP articles yet?  I recently nominated Ginny Weasley for GA status and it failed.  One of the reasons was the lack a specific references.  I didn't know if the book and page number was generally included in the text or put at the bottom of the page in a footnotes section with a superscript or somthing linking it.  John Reaves 18:28, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been thinking about this, as it's one of the reasons why Lord Voldemort is about to be deslisted as a GA. It's difficult, since there are two editions in widespread use. We should consider using Harvard citations, but I think we need to wait a few days until our difficulties at AfD and other excess articles are sorted out. --Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 18:38, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: websites frequently give up and just quote chapter numbers, rather than pages. There is still a difficulty with this, since some of the UK books don't have a contents page listing chapters. Sandpiper 20:35, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inline citation 

message: Herbert Chorley (the muggle who quacked) inexplicably has his own, tiny article. Where should this information really be? Michaelsanders 20:13, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Herbert Chorley

message: Why is Mr Crouch's article named Barty Crouch Sr? He is most commonly referred to as Mr Crouch. His full name is Bartemius. And I am not at all sure that Barty is more commonly used.Michaelsanders 20:47, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it helps maintain continuity throughout the articles since his son is Barty Jr.  John Reaves 23:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Crouches