Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Archive 10

message: Look at this Esperanza logo I made and uploaded:
How do you guys like it? And archive this talk page, it's 124+ kb's.--Gangsta-Easter-Bunny 19:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No offense, but I really don't care for it.  It's a little bit too "Free to Be ... You and Me" for me. ;-) — WCityMike (talk • contribs • where to reply) 19:56, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Archiving done. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, I didn't mean it could replace the old logo, the one we have now is perfectly ok. The one you made could be used as a decoration of userpages. --Tone 20:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the hand-drawn feeling of it. Thanks for sharing with us! Kukini 21:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say to replace the old logo. No offense anyone, but to me the old logo isn't welcoming, even though it is awesome. And I meant for this to be used to welcome newcomers, How would you want to get a "Welcome" thingy-ma-bober on your page that had the old, dullish more of a color logo, or a nice, handmade, bright new logo? I hate the shade of yellow in the current ones. I could go on till Kingdom Come. But I won't. I didn't design this new logo just for fame or the mop. I designed it because I was thinking of community and welcoming newcomers.Without further adu, you can stop reading my comment---Gangsta-Easter-Bunny 12:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe... hand drawn... and they're holding hands... (I'm probably the only person who found that funny).  Don't worry, Gangsta-Easter-Bunny, the disagreement only came when it was thought to replace the new logo.  Both can logos co-exist in lovely harmony, and be very cool. -- Natalya 14:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This new logo looks cute. Too cute. There must be some sort of sinister, brain-washing propaganda hidden within it. --☆TBC☆ 05:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New Esperanza logo & Archivement

message: Just a reminder that Wikipedia:Brion Vibber Day is coming up on June 1.  It passed last year with little fanfare, and I think he deserves a lot more than that.  Please help to make him feel appreciated on that day.  Thanks!  — Catherine\talk 19:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Woohoo! It's CatherineMunro! :D. *Looks adoring* "My hero!". --Celestianpower háblame 20:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Wow, I hope I remember. --Xyrael T 20:34, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: eek!  no heroes here.  Go tell Brion HE'S a hero today, he keeps this place running! — Catherine\talk 11:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Brion Vibber Day

message: Just signed up. I've been a member of Wikipedia for about a year now, but just started majorly contributing a month ago. I've seen this place around everywhere but didn't know what it was! I've been looking for communities within Wikipedia to join, and it seems like this is the perfect place. Hope you'll have me, I look forward to getting to know all of you. :) Dakpowers | Talk 01:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome! I hope you will enjoy it here. Have a look around, perhaps get involved in a few of our programs, and continue to spread hope and WikiLove]] as you edit Wikipedia. Let us know if you have any questions! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 04:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Welcome! Come join us on the IRC channel, if you can. --Xyrael T 08:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

text: We are glad to have you!  Enjoy yourself! -- Natalya 16:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello, everyone! 

message: Is anyone else worried about the fact that the Smile templete (here) is up for deletion? This was supposed to make users feel better and unite the community, but that clearly hasn't totally happend. More worrying is the fact that while it was a Esperanza proposal with support,(here), Esperanza members have been voting both for and against it. I know that everyone doesn't think the same, and that we're not always going to agree. However, seeing as this seems to be dividing the community somewhat, I think we need to reach some sort of a consensus on how to move forward. 
The  Halo (talk) 20:28, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To top it all off, the one who nominated it for deletion, SPUI has gone and created template:frown. Now, I'm not normally one to pick fights, but this template serves absolutely no purpose but to be in bad faith to make a point that he does not like the smile template. I'm trying to stay on a wikibreak to get away from this mess, but I must say that this is completely inapropriate. I have no problem with people's opinions that the smile template simply promotes talk page spamming, as that is a valid argument concerning the problem of the concept. However, the frown template made in bad faith and notes by users calling the smile template "lame" and "stupid" (by an Esperanza member of all people) is simply too much to make me sit by quietly. I'm avoiding the template for deletion page as I am no doubt subconsciously biased for being the one who made the template, but I just felt I should say something. Cowman109Talk 22:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Everyone, Esperanza member or not, is allowed whatever opinion they choose on the Smile Templates.  Template:Frown seems to be in rather poor taste. -- Natalya 23:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that all members of groups have to vote in the same way. Everyone is an indervidual. What I am saying is that something that was originally supposed to help with stress, and premote wiki-love, has gone wrong, and whether the result is Keep or Delete, something will need to be done to adress the issue, and make sure that everyone (more or less) is happy. (Agreed about Templete:Frown btw) The  Halo (talk) 23:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Smile  Problem 

message: There has been some discussion at Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages regarding changes to the way that signatures should be regulated.  In particular, signature length and internal linking are being mooted as having strong limitations put upon them.  As this would impact Esperanza members perhaps more than other groups, I'm placing this notice here.  Contributions to the discussion are of course welcome. - brenneman{L}  08:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signature limitations 

message: :Crossposted to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Alerts#Leaving Wikipedia.
I am slightly thinking about leaving this project due to WikiStress. I probably won't, but don't be VERY suprised if I do.  My problems with this project are:
Not enough or too much contexts about "Controversy", such as private school, I have many problems with private schools from personal experience: Kids bully me because I can't afford the tuition and all clothes so I have to get hand-me-downs, (but the teachers don't do anything about it) my family need all the financial aide we can get, A boy physically attacked me, but he recieved an extremely light punishment, yet when I just said something mean to someone in an arguement, I got in BIG trouble. (this all promotes my real life stress).
Cyde: Cyde proposed a ton of UBXs for deletion (and actually deleted some) that I had on my userpage for deletion, without notifing me. The userbox war may claim me...
Those reasons are worse than you think when you are in my world. I'll probably stay, although please reply to me on my talk page. Thank you. Raichu 16:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stay, I know any type of edit war is tough, but things will be better in the long run. They're planning on making a new namespace for it, and no more will be deleted unless they're sectarian/racist etc. If you must leave it's your decision, but we wish you wouldn't. Regards, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 17:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry 

message: I've been wondering for quite a while about something, something which I should have asked a long while ago, about the Advisory Council, what do the members actually do? I know that they go to the IRC meetings and pretend to make an impact on the rest of us (I joke) but do they do anything else? I ask because I don't have IRC and I don't plan to, so I was wondering if there was a pointing for standing in the next election. Cheers, Highway Rainbow Sneakers 20:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That all depends on if there's a next election at all. Big things may be happening to Esperanza. Watch this space. --Celestianpower háblame 22:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well thanks for being vague. Ugh, I am starting to hate the public resentment I get a wikipedia, I get it at school. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  From me? Sorry for being vague - I can't be anything other since nothing has been discussed, nothing planned, nothing designed, nothing even thought out. However, if the current system is kept, I would rather have people who are on IRC on my council but it isn't a prerequisite. --Celestianpower háblame 22:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for snapping, I'm not feeling great, (see Wikipedia:Esperanza/Alerts) Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:18, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps some attention to wording might help here; you do realize how comments like "if there's a next election at all" sound when coming from someone in your position? ;-) Kirill Lokshin 22:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (coughs) Animal Farm!! Highway Rainbow Sneakers 22:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the informational update, JoanneB.  I'm know you guys are working for the best of Esperanza. :) -- Natalya 13:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advisory Council 

message: Hi. I just saw that 1028 has been blocked indefinitely. I was going to take his name down from the actve members list, but I don't know where to put it. Inactive or Former members? Seeing as he is banned indefiniely, I would think inactive, but I wondered if a more experienced esperanzian knew what to do. Thank you. The  Halo (talk) 19:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I'd say just remove him altogether. My personal opinion is that in those other two categories, people should only be there because they listed their username there themselves. But if his name should go anywhere, it would be in the former members list. In my opinion, this users behaviour has been such that he's not an 'inactive' member, because with this kind of behaviour, one should not be a member at all. --JoanneB 19:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see your point of view, and I agree with it, but for the sake of historical accuracy, I'll go and put 1028 on the former members list. We really need some sort of policy to tackle the 'esperanzians' who behave in an inappropriate manor. Do you know when the wikibreak is over (because the council say all new policy will be put on hold)? I don't have IRC, so I can't look at the discussion. The  Halo (talk) 20:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  1028 

message: Please see my entry in Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Programs/Admin coaching with the same subject as this posting.  Your comments would be appreciated on User:Richardshusr/So you want to be an admin.
--Richard 21:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admin coaching bandwidth is too narrow to support demand 

message: Freakofnurture is the meanest editor I've seen on wikipedia, self-described as a dick, angry and a judeofacist.  I considered contributing to this project a few times but was reminded it is mostly a playground for this type of person.  I just happened upon this Esperanza group when looking for wikipedia community related stuff and when I saw his name on the main page I thought it might mean the group was a joke.--69.60.118.148 14:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry that you got that impression of him. Please remember that several things in communication, like humour, come across differently online, since non-verbal clues are missing (if he's grinning while typing something, you won't see it like you would when he was talking to you). Freakofnurture is a member of the Advisory Council, which means that during the elections, a while ago, he was elected by other Esperanza members. Apparently, they thought that he would benefit Esperanza and Wikipedia in that position. Perhaps they saw something in him that you haven't seen yet? Esperanza members and Advisory Council members are not perfect because they're members. They'll make mistakes. That does not mean Esperanza is a joke though, and I sincerely hope that in the near future you'll see things from Freakofnurture or others that convince you of that fact :) Kind regards, --JoanneB 16:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think he's okay. Highway Rainbow Sneakers 16:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Freakofnurture is one of Wikipedia's most experienced and well-respected editors. If you, 69.60.118.148, have an issue with something Freakofnurture (or any other editor) has or hasn't done, the first place to take your problem is that editor's talk page. Calmly and rationally, without accusation or exaggeration, ask them to clarify the thing you dislike. A good editor will always reply to a calm and rational request for clarification. You'll usually find a Wikipedia rule, guideline or precedent is driving their actions - and if so, your issue is with the rule in question, not the editor enforcing it. You can change any rule on Wikipedia - find the page and propose the change. If a consensus develops to change the rule, it will be changed. Then editors will enforce the new rule instead, as simple as that. If that fails and you genuinely want further action, Esperanza isn't the place to do it, and nobody will listen to you until you log in to your account. Your IP address shows one edit, this one here, suggesting that you're an account holder who's making trouble rather than genuinely commenting... sorry, but people automatically assume bad faith about anonymous editors, especially when they appear with complaints when they have no other edits. Log in and then take advantage of the myriad of ways Wikipedia has for mediating complaints besides bitching about them! :) ➨ ЯЄDVERS 20:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freakofnurture 

message: Please click the above link, read the discussion, and respond there. Thanks. --J.L.W.S. The Special One 04:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeking help - I'm losing my focus as a Wikipedian! 

message: Somebody has been repeatedly adding sometimes-profane nonsense to my watchlist. I need help, but don't know where to look for it. Here are three that I removed just today:
Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM (Talk)
‎Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM 12.0 (Talk)
‎Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM 1254.0 (Talk)
Is this the work of the famed Wikipedia is Communism vandal? Should I change usernames? Help! ЄИЄЯפЇЄ 03:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, someone moved Wikipedia to Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM, which was promptly reverted, but left the redirect as residue in your watchlist. Just delete them from your watchlist. Titoxd(?!?) 03:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I need help!