Talk:Stay-behind

message: I don't see the point of mergeing this article into Gladio. It's better to erase Gladio stuff in it and just keep the referenslink to it. Stay-Behind as definition has nothing todo with Gladio.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roberth edberg (talk • contribs) .
I agree : Gladio is too big and controversal and should be kept separate.
Regular military units were also intended for stay behind operations ( eg the SAS ) and this should be mentioned. Also does saty behind refer to your territory only? I would argue it implies to any unit left behind during a retreat. David J.James —The preceding unsigned comment was added by David.j.james (talk • contribs).
:No...but only to your question that it only refers to a country's a territory. "Stay behind" can refer to any military unit whose military duty entails performing this task if ever necessary. For example, the US military has a significant presence in Europe. If, during the Cold War, the Soviets invaded and forced a NATO retreat, chances were practically guaranteed special forces unit would be left behind to assist or manage the other stay-behinds (among the US Army Special Forces' missions is, after all, contacting and working with resistance groups in foreign countries). Shadowrun 07:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge? 

message: There is nothing in this article that cannot be discussed in the "Operation Gladio" article. Intangible 10:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Operation Gladio is just one of many stay-behind operations in history.  Why should this article be merged into it?  It'd be like merging narcotics into morphine - just plain silly. I strongly oppose the proposed merge. — ceejayoz talk 04:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose per Ceejayoz. Tazmaniacs 14:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose Forgive the reference, but it's like merging the entire subject of "sexually-transmitted diseases" under the entry AIDS. Shadowrun 07:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  merge 

message: This article is lacking proper sources, and includes the same exceptional claims that are also scattered around in other Wikipedia articles. Ganser is a conspiracy nut, who also founded Scholars for 9/11 Truth. Intangible2.0 18:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please don't mix up stuff Intangible, and don't jump up saying "Ganser founded Scholars for whatever" when a short time ago you claimed "Ganser is a member of Scholars whatever" and that anyhow, all of the Ganser stuff in this article is not related to 9/11. We are not talking about 9/11 here, and we're quite tired about it! — or are you in fact trying to attract attention to 9/11 conspiracy theories? Don't tell me, nothing like arguing about how heavy the towers were! Tazmaniacs 00:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Then see the quote I provided from Philip Davies re Ganser on Talk:Operation Gladio. But when Ganser starts writing book chapters for Olive Branch Press, redacted by David Ray Griffin, then whom am I to second guess Ganser's work. Intangible2.0 02:33, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is guilt from association. Ganser's work on Gladio is to be judged on piece, and if you did read the book, you can see from where the references come. If you ever find a more comprehensive book on Gladio, I'll be glad to hear about it! Tazmaniacs 14:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tag 

message: The first deployed United States Army Special Forces group was assigned to Germany, was intended both to have stay-behind operations, as well as having sub-units fall back with retreating NATO forces and then penetrate.  They also had a capability to run missions into the Warsaw Pact countries.
While they certainly worked with CIA, they were a regular military formation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcberkowitz (talk • contribs) 04:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  10th Special Forces Group (Bad Tölz, Germany) Mission 

message: Perhaps some mention of the famous stay-behind cave in Gibraltar?  Perhaps the ultimate stay-behind operation.    --jmb (talk) 01:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Gibraltar

message: Whilst you are ostensibly correct (stay-behind and Operation Gladio are not the same thing), the term seems to have been originally created by Americans after WW2 to describe (largely) secretive organizations with the express purpose of counter-Communist insurgency in the event of either Soviet occupation OR the rise to power of a local Communist political group (seen by many American politicians as the same thing). To talk about one without the other would be to willfully ignore the partisan nature of these stay-behind groups in the first place. They were not there to counter the far-right or neo-fascists (indeed many of them were formed from fascist organizations; Prince Valerio Borghese's 10th flotilla being a prime example), thus Gladio can be seen as the ultimate expression of stay-behind ideology, and should therefore form an intrinsic element of the wider definition. Moseley101 (talk) 04:07, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The line is blurred 

message: In fact, Soviet Union was perhaps the first country that decided to set up a military structure of this type against nazi invaders.--Deguef (talk) 13:37, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Why is not mentioned Soviet Union in WWII?

message: The Turkish references are confusing. Here Ergenekon is mentioned. In Operation Gladio an organisation called Ozel Harp Dairesi is mentioned. In Ergenekon it says: "Mütercimler and others, however, draw a distinction between the Ergenekon of today and the original one, which they equate with the Counter-Guerrilla; Operation Gladio's Turkish branch. Today's Ergenekon is said to be a "splinter" off the old one." Martin Packard gives no name for the Turkish "Stay-Behind" network but says it "came under the SWD - Special War Department" (p. 364).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nychtopouli (talk • contribs) 13:03, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey 

message: Absalom in danemark  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.159.60.44 (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  danemark 

message: The DDR "GDR" (German Democratic Republic) had a stay behind organisation from 1969 until 1989 that was trained for sabotage, bomb attacks or liberation of prisoners in case of "times of crisis" or a NATO attack. It was supported by the GDR with money, weapons and explosives. 200 people received paramilitary training by the East German Army.
The Group was founded by the GDR's head of state.
Existence of the group was first published in 1989 and was supported by old files that were found in German archives in 2004.
There is a bunch of sources in the German Wikipedia about this stay-behind organisation.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruppe_Ralf_Forster
It would be very interesting to find out if more member states of the Warsaw pact had stay behind organisations. Maybe even the soviet union. Stay behinds already seem to have existed in the soviet union during the second world war.
188.108.49.139 (talk) 11:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gruppe Ralf Forster" of GDR (Communist East Germany until 1989) 

message: These stay behind organisations were purely military. They were not to be activated "if a communist party came to power in a democratic election", nor were they political or extreme right wing. Far too much nonsense has been written about these military units. As a minimum the unsubstantiated claim that they were to be activated if a communist party came to power in a democratic election should be deleted.Royalcourtier (talk) 05:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wartime role only 

message: Following the discussion about "stay-behind" and "Gladio" and the argument (with which I agree) that stay-behind was a war-fighting role and tactic employed by military units and (at potentially a later stage after the attack i.e. under occupation) clandestine networks, I suggest creating a list of such units - possibly by command (in the case of NATO). Thoughts? Para medic TaSi (talk) 15:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of military stay-behind (trained) units