Talk:Anti-Flag

message: Is there a reason that someone placed Anti-Flag under the category of American Marxist? Is there documented proof somewhere that the band represents marxist views? 108.2.124.115 (talk) 00:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  American Maxist 

message: :::Perhaps the largest criticism of Anti-Flag is that while they claim to have far left-wing ideals, perhaps akin to socialism, they are happy to sell their merchandise and records at a price. It's a tad hypocritical, when they've aimed songs at money greedy corperations previously, yet they have no qualms with making money themselves.
Anti-Flag is the only major-label band I know that sells its albums and T-shirts for $10 at their concerts.  This contrasts strongly with the prices at most concerts, where sleazy merchandisers charge more, knowing that fans will be so excited about the concert that they'll pay inflated prices. Sylvar 17:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that practice sleazy though? You're exploting a hole in people's reasoning? More power to you. Rational consumers will wait until later to buy something. It's the same as any convenience store or supermarket with magazines and such near the cash register, they're exploiting impulse buyers. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 22:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merchandising and socialism 

message: This article needs to be changed to a non biased pov. It seems the author has just put his opinions down in place of an actual article.
*care to elaborate?  Fightindaman 06:43, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Anti-Flag's announcment of their deal with RCA includes the statement that "shit talkers will talk shit."  Obviously they'd been getting flak for the decision (since rumors had been circulating around the net for some time).  You are correct in saying that "many" is hard to back up, but "some" is not. Fightindaman 01:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  biased 

message: I removed this because I don't really feel that it's worth our time to post every piece of activism that the band's involved with in the article.  The person who added this, by looking at their contribs, clearly has an agenda, and since this hasn't been a particular major thing for the band I don't really see any reason to include it.  Also, external links should pertain directly to the subject of the article. Fightindaman 20:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: World Can't Wait

message: *In what world are the politics of this band "left wing".  They are at the most extreme liberal centrist with attempts at shocking lyrics.Tombride 06:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say left-wing. They are fairly reformist though. Maybe use progressive/left-wing as a compromise. And I agree with the idea that they are out for shock value, but I don't think they can be seen as liberal, at least not their old stuff. Old anti-flag was pretty good, now it's just lame. The Ungovernable Force 02:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with the sentiment that they are just trying to sell an image, and if you can source that criticism you could (and I would fully support you on this) make the criticism in the article. But it should say that they at least try to seem left-wing/progressive/socialist/whatever we agree on. The Ungovernable Force 22:56, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright.  For lack of a better source from me that's going to be how it stays then.Tombride 23:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Progressive" and "far-left" are two totally different things.  Progressive is universally applied to liberals (left-of-center), not people on the radical end of the spectrum.  It's like someone trying to say we "prescribe to conservative, fascistic political ideology" in order to make their ideas seem less crazy.  GreatGatsby 19:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Left Wing

message: in my oponion you are wrong gatsby. SEE POST ABOVE "LEFT WING". i think that AF is trying stop the "left wing" "rightwing" way of thinking. the seem to support more radical ideas but acctuly their retoric sounds a liltle like communism. 
 Razor romance
:Communism == radical left-wing. You lose. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 22:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  why a wing? 

message: Should it be noted that there is alot of criticism within the punk scene that Anti-Flag doesn't know what they ar talking about, and that most of there lyrics are just meant to be shocking, or just ramble on about how the government is run by "facists"?
*Maybe, but their ramblings are downloaded and played on radio a lot more that my ramblings. 118.208.143.202 (talk) 18:14, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is a band supposed to back things up? I've never heard 'footnote one!' at the end of a line, and then have them expound that point at the end of the song....sure, I suppose you could cite resources in your CD art, but consider the ratio of the number of people that buy the CD, versus how many people hear the songs? The lyrics are ultimately all that matter. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 22:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Citations in their CD booklets. Just because you've never seen a CD of theirs doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anyway, a bunch of "haters" doesn't warrant a mention in a Wikipedia article. And please be mature, Wikipedia is not a place to argue opinions99.54.188.176 (talk) 00:37, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  criticism 

message: Someone should put together a Albums section.  There's quiet a few.
:Hey. It's the wikipedia. If you care about it, you do it :) 74.78.98.109 (talk) 22:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albums 

message: I don't really own for blood and empire, so I can't say whether or not they sold out with it. But I do know that The Terror State is a shining example of what a deftly political punk album should be. It cites problems in the world, gives evidence to support these problems, presents the message in an angry yet intelligient manner, manages to have catchy lyrics without being wishy washy, and gives us a little direction as to what to do about the world. It is one of the best punk albums I've picked up in a while and has some of the best lyrics I've ever seen, from any genre of music.
Whoever says anti-flag watered down their lyrics by going from "kill the rich" to "power to the peaceful" is a moron. Either you haven't actually heard the song or you are just a war mongering rebel without a clue. What's wrong with a little pacifism? Must all punks be violent rebels? Can't we have some punks that believe in a little peace and unity?
I also see little problem with switching to a major label or making money off the cds. A poor person can do little to change the world, especially if he is starving. Look at Black Flag for crisakes. They were highly DIY and they practically starved to death their entire careers! On the other hand, signing to a major label allows you to broadcast your views to a wider audience. You can call it hypocritical that they denounce capitalism and then take part in the system, or you can call it ironic that they are seeking the collapse of the system that has latched on to them. To destroy your enemy, get close to him right? As for making money off their junk, even highly DIY bands like Against All Authority and Black Flag charge circa 10 bucks per cd. It's impossible to cover cost of manufacture and feed yourself if you charge less than that! It's not like they live in mansions or drive corvettes or anything! It is especially hard to hand out cds for free or charge small amounts of money if you are trying to circulate your material among a wide audience like Anti-Flag is.
Also, let's be fair. Anti-Flag is anti-corporate, but corporations are a lot larger than a group of musicians making money of their music. Anti-Flag's money is money earned for a job well done, not money stolen, like the giant corporations tend to do, which is what anti-flag speaks out against. Learn the difference between earning and stealing. It's crucial.
208.191.84.241 20:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I don't think they're sellouts either, really. If Justin's words were true, that's the kind of contract I'd like to see all artists getting. 74.78.98.109 (talk) 22:56, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sellouts? 

message: Someone changed Anti-Flag's genre from 'political punk rock' to 'political rock'. This seems more than a little pointless since Anti-Flag's genre isn't even under debate. Maybe labelling a disputed band like AFI that way, but Anti-Flag? I think everyone can pretty much agree that anti-flag is a punk rock band. I reverted it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.191.86.76 (talk) 16:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Pop punk" and not "Punk Rock". That's my opinion. --154.20.58.130 (talk) 13:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I find it hard to call them pop punk. But then again, I have heard Bad Religion called pop punk. I truly don't see them as melodic hardcore. That would make them Melodic hardcore punk? Because they have varied in the years but still keep the punk attitude and mentality and show the roots in some songs. I think a lot about being punk is an attitude. They fit in. I have heard them called Avant Garde, and I see how those who do have come to that conclusion.--Blckhawk1234 (talk) 16:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone changed the genre... I'm nonplussed 

message: HI guys, I recently saw this article needed a huge revamp. So i decided so set up some sound sample, a new lead, and a references section. If you guys could join in that would be great. Also, the references seem to be unfunctioning. Does someone who knows how to make these refs work step up? It would be immense help. Thanx --Ṣ₡ЯՄՊՏɧѱᎦ ☎/ ∑ 23:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  revamp

message: Can nobody find any information on him? The other members each have a page, but his redirects back to the band's. Cheers, Crassic! 14:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. He definitely needs a page, or else he might cry himself to sleep at night. I don't know enough about Anti-Flag to make a page on him, but someone must...
EDIT:I can't seem to find much info on him with Google. I see why no one's made a page. Hmmmm....
CrayZsaaron 01:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pat Thetic. 

message: I changed streetpunk to political punk because they signed onto a major label so they arent street
:I don't see how that's a reason to remove that label. See also Chumbawumba=anarcho=signed to a major. --Cheeser1 18:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of political punk as a subgenre- punk tends to be political in nature. I am tempted to change it back.Kurasuke 22:47, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What you've heard of isn't really how we write things on Wikipedia. I've heard of it, it's a label generally applied to such bands (e.g. Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, etc). See also  for an example of use in journalism. --Cheeser1 22:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Political punk isn't a genre. Streetpunk is, but Anti-Flag are by no means it. In fact, even "Punk Rock" and "Hardcore Punk" are stretches... I think "Pop Punk" is the only term which accurately describes them. --154.20.58.130 (talk) 13:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To me pop-punk is more blink-182/sum 41/green day/new found glory/simple plan like. I don't think Anti-Flag quite falls into the category that those bands fall into because there stuff seems to have more aggressive vocals, drum beats, and lyrics, though I do have to agree that some of their newer stuff has been more like pop-punk. According to All music guide they fall into the Punk Revival, Hardcore, and O!l styles. Its important to note here that we are discussing subgenres. I think maybe the infobox should be changed to reflect that. As far as other sources I have seen anti-flag listed as everything from Rock & Alternative by AOL  to Rock/Pop by some site which was selling the "A new kind of army" CD (looking for the link, just had it up a minute ago.) --Nn123645 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

message: We should add one, the article looks like a talk page. Zazaban 03:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No introduction. 

message: THREE of the four guys are vegetarians. The article says all four are and I keep editing it but someone changes it back. Look at the citation, christ. I'm going to change it again and if anyone puts it back I kindly ask you to edit it for me.
Daniel willems (talk) 15:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  vegetarians 

message: Is there really a new album coming from Anti-Flag?
There is something about blog reports from Justin Sane suggesting that they will leave RCA and make another album, but I have not seen any proof of that so far.Mattimis (talk) 02:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  New album 

message: Was Lucy Fester a bassgitarist or a gitarist for the band? The article doesn't really explain that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lubberink (talk • contribs) 15:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: can we talk about justin gentrifying hipster lawrenceville?  man, i hate working class people, too.  they get in the way of making money.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.162.177.244 (talk) 17:09, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, if you can get a WP:RS to write about it! Would be very interested in reading more on this topic. Abeg92contribs 17:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  house flipping 

message: Punk rock , hardcore punk  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.214.78 (talk) 02:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  REAL anti flag genres 

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message: Rest In Peace to Anti-Flag 2600:1004:B026:8CDB:5DC8:9E9E:CAA6:AA76 (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Concerning to »Dropkick Murphys support«: there was no show in Praque in July 2023, the show with DM was planned on August 21th 2023. bandsintown.com JKowar (talk) 12:40, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  All good things must come to an end 

message: Page falsely claims Chris #2 deleted his social media. He didn't, Justin Sane deleted all his social media. 2600:1008:B1AA:58E8:D88B:7705:49DD:3518 (talk) 12:00, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: To my knowledge, Chris #2 deleted his Instagram page; that's what the PunkNews article (which is cited for that information) currently reflects as well. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any secondary sources reporting that Justin Sane deleted all his social media (even though I know you're right, and that's 100% true). But I don't want to insinuate anything unintentionally accusatory or malicious about Chris #2, so I'll just remove that part. Thanks for bringing that up :) Afddiary (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chris #2 Social Media