Talk:Women in Pakistan

message: The Very first picture representing women of Pakistan is misleading. Womens shown in article belong to the Thar Desert who are undernourished but it is very small Hindu population. Women of Pakistan are beautiful and healthy. Someone should change the picture which truly represents the folk Aleeza512 09:18, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture representing women of Pakistan 

message: I  believe that this article needs some severe fixing. There are lots of untrue things, and it is a blatant attempt at showing Pakistan in the best light possible. Compared with other "Women in ____" this article overly exagurates the good aspects into making the reader believe almost the exact opposite of the truth. 
An unbiased person knowledgable of the true status of women in Pakistan should rewrite this article entirely, scrapping almost everything currently in this article.
===Amusing as always===
Removed my own comments for lack of any sources.--Jareer 11:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Factual accuracy

message: Removed my own comments for lack of any sources.--Jareer 11:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Amusing as always

message: As for the content of the article itself, it seems highly POV.  It focuses on positive aspects almost exclusively, and completely fails to mention the widely reported occurences of honor killings and other human rights abuses directed against women.  (E.g., see ).  Instead, the article only contains vague claims like "Pakistani women continue to struggle for advancement", and "much more remains to be done." Even if every sentence in the article is factually accurate (which I can't personally attest), it's POV by virtue of what it leaves out.
Also, sentences like "The Pakistani women of today enjoy a better status than most Islamic and Middle Eastern women" are subjective, and ought to either be attributed to a specific person or omitted.  ("Pakistani women have always played a part in its society," should also be scrapped, as it's meaninglessly vague.) Of course, criticisms of the treatment of women in Pakistan (once they're added) should likewise be attributed to their source. --Tim314 21:02, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a POV tag to the page.  To reiterate, whether or not the article is factually accurate, it ought to address the positive and negative things that have been said about the lives of women in Pakistan in order to be NPOV. I'd edit it myself, but I don't consider myself sufficiently knowledgeable about the subject. (For what it's worth, the whole reason I looked up this page was in response to a news article about honor killings, hoping to find out how widespread the problem is and whether it happens as much in cities as in rural areas.  But the article acts like these things don't exist.) Tim314 16:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: POV (article content)

message: I've re-written and expanded the article. The diff is here. utcursch | talk 09:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-write and expansion 

message: I don't doubt that the statement is correct, but it's one of those statements that does require a reference for inclusion.  A reference to similar issues in another country unfortunately doesn't work.  While I agree with that bit, "simple" residency in the area is not good enough by Wiki standards.  It's the same case that I cannot got to the wiki for my home region and add in items (especially comments about conservative religious members) without a proper refence.  I doubt it will be hard to find a reference for it, though. --Human.v2.0 (talk) 02:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I found the article  Damn the women in distress, damn our callous lady MNAs (archive) to be of possible interesert to those who maintain this article. __meco (talk) 18:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women in jail 

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message: I upgraded it with peaces on dress code, acid throwing, bride burnig, etc, a map and a photo.Wipsenade (talk) 11:35, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Upgraded

message: New article on Boston.Com says that Paksitan is the third most dangerous country for women. It is contradicting to what tihs article staytes then 71.106.222.108 (talk) 07:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women are relatively safe are you srue then? 

message: "democratically" is spelled wrong in this sentence:
Zia-ul-Haq's military régime
Main article: Zia-ul-Haq's Islamization
General Zia ul-Haq, then Army Chief of Staff, overthrew the denocratically elected Zulfikar Ali Bhutto government in a military coup on 5 July 1977. 
WikiSDG (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Elockid   (Talk) 17:15, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from WikiSDG, 10 September 2011 

message: FYI, I removed  as the thrust of the navbox is sociological where this article appears to be more geographically / anthopologically oriented. ClaretAsh 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Navbox removal 

message: Please correct link for this reference: "Women in Pakistan: Country Briefing Paper. Asian Development Bank. 2000." The correct link is: http://www.adb.org/sites/default/files/pub/2000/women_pakistan.pdf
Aiko1031 (talk) 03:19, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done BryanG (talk) 03:27, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 15 May 2013 

message: Please change "after she became convert to Christianity" to "after she converted to Christianity".
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replies: text: --SMS  Talk 20:56, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 30 May 2013 

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message: I think the article Women's rights in Pakistan should be merged here. Much of what is in that article is repeated here. What would be the opinions of other editors? 2A02:2F01:507F:FFFF:0:0:50C:7540 (talk) 21:07, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The merge was done.5.12.116.29 (talk) 02:16, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging [[Women's rights in Pakistan]]  

message: About ten years ago there were complaints on this talk page that the article provided an overly positive portrayal of the situation. These complaints seem to have been adequately addressed, which is good.
However, large parts of the content now in the article is based on sources that are increasingly dated. As it is generally accepted that the situation of women in Pakistan is on average subject to gradual improvement, this currently seems to cause a WP:POV problem in the opposite direction.
I am thinking in particular of the most-cited source, Mariam S. Pal (2000). Women in Pakistan: Country Briefing Paper (PDF). Asian Development Bank. , a dead link. This dates from seventeen years ago. It is used throughout the article, cited fifteen times in all, including in support of the opening paragraph of the lede which gives a very strong summary of the current situation as a whole and thus influences the reader right from the beginning. By comparison, the second-most cited source is cited seven times in all, is also a dead link, and is without date or ISBN or other information, so may be just as old or even older.
Writing about a broad and contentious social, political and legal topic with a source that is seventeen years old -- and whose research will have been even older -- is problematic. An encyclopedist writing about gender equality in the United Kingdom in the year 2000, for example, would not have been using secondary sources published in the year 1973 to describe the current situation in the country.
Looking briefly over the other references, there are many from within the last few years, but also a large number from 2006 and 2007 -- I assume much good work was done around that time improving the article with then-current sources, but that is ten years ago. The sources from 1997 and 1998 that I spotted are of much less concern, as they support past-tense statements about events under historical regimes.
I think changes in the lede and elsewhere to address this unintentional bias are necessary, and I would like people's thoughts. Of course, improving the article with more recent sources that give a broad consideration of the topic is also necessary. I have just now updated one of the fifteen uses of the Mariam S. Pal source, as it was being used to support strong statements made in the present tense that were also contradicted by more modern sources. MPS1992 (talk) 18:49, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, some of the content looks seriously outdated. Also, much of the article (certainly the lead) seems to belong to an article with a different scope, Women's Rights in Pakistan. There's more to women's lives than being oppressed, even in Pakistan. Eperoton (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dated content - year 2000 source used to describe current situation in year 2016 

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message: I've tagged this section, as it's not clear what the process involves, and the citation provided offers little further explanation. I found another discussion from 2007 here. However, I'm not sure of its reliability as a source, since it's a blog posting. Any thoughts? jxm (talk) 01:31, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marriage to Quran section 

message: I was looking for some small help. I created an article User:Bookku/Me Too movement (Pakistan) in user namespace. Article is almost ready but before taking to main namespace Looking for help in  English language Spell-check, punctuation, grammar check and corrections. Using better alternative words etc.  Thanks in advance. 
Bookku (talk) 14:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request of Help 

message: I could not understand justification of following content deletion properly. For Record Bookku (talk) 06:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content deletion not understood  

message: Hello,
@ Talk:Aurat (disambiguation)#Requested_move_11_May_2020 is taking place about article relating to women of mainly of Asian origin. In Past 2 days only two opinions are received and more opinions will be preferable.  Thanks for your opinion and  participation in discussion.
Bookku (talk) 12:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting opinion on a page move request. 

message: I suppose article deserves a separate descriptive section about Autobiographies of Pakistani Women. Any ways here is a brief info article on dawn .com 
* 13 Urdu autobiographies by women that men need to read right now
Bookku (talk) 13:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autobiographies of Pakistani Women 

message: Starting new article :en:Draft:Urdu feminist literature. Please add relevant information with references.
Bookku (talk) 02:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:en:Draft:Urdu feminist literature]] 

message: Greetings,
Wikipedia has an article Cynthia D. Ritchie, you are requested to update, expand, copy edit the article. Also you can help the same by adding the article to your watch list.
Bookku (talk) 18:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cynthia D. Ritchie]] 

message: I suppose these edits by ip 92.40.183.194 are merely an attempt of whitewashing and soft censoring inconvenient sourced. This is very common practice about South Asian articles.  
Right now I am busy with other tasks so as of now I am leaving at that may be some other user can review those changes.
Bookku (talk) 02:25, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  White washing ?  

message: Greetings,
:Hi, I'm User:Bookku a discussion about  the sourced content is underway @ Talk:Minar-e-Pakistan#En masse public molestation and sexual violence against women. Your inputs are requested and awaited. Thanks and warm regards
: Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 18:18, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requesting inputs 

message: * https://www.geo.tv/latest/376458-no-woman-safe-in-pakistan-35-pakistanis-say-in-survey
* https://www.wionews.com/videos/gravitas-faisalabad-shocker-a-tale-of-two-videos-435276
* https://www.dawn.com/news/1674010/police-searching-for-faith-healer-after-nail-hammered-into-peshawar-womans-head
* https://www.dw.com/en/nail-driven-into-womans-head-to-guarantee-baby-boy-in-pakistan/a-60718574
*https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-60318874
 
 Bookku, 'Encyclopedias = expanding information & knowledge' (talk) 06:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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