Talk:Pale Fire

message: Is Pale Fire an example of Ergodic literature?  If so, it should be mentioned in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Electrosaurus (talk • contribs) 03:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ergodic

message: I added the number of lines in "Pale Fire", the information that Shade was murdered and the poem was unfinished, and the connection between Kinbote and Karl.
I don't understand "The circumstances surrounding his possession of the manuscript are mysterious."  The circumstances seem pretty straightforward to me.  Unless somebody explains it, I'd like to delete that sentence sometime fairly soon.
Also, unless I've caused trouble with this edit, I'd like to amplify the paragraph on interpretations, since there are many beside the Shadean, Kinbotean, and "ghostean".  I promise to be brief and keep a neutral point of view.
JerryFriedman 17:07, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: I used to think that Boyd's theory was far-fetched and bogus, but I've been growing more sympathetic to it as I've read more of Nabokov's minor works.  The ghost business does seem like the sort of thing Nabokov would do.  In particular, anyone criticizing Boyd needs to first read Nabokov's short story The Vane Sisters.  That said, Shadeanism still seems like the most beautiful interpretation. --Shibboleth 07:01, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: This line: "like the tiger in Watterson's Calvin and Hobbes" makes no sense. It's gone. Feel free to put it back in if you can explain how it relates to Pale Fire.  --Polynova 00:18, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)
:I believe the idea was that most of the time Hobbes (the tiger) was a character who occasionally seemed to accomplish things in the "real" world, but in a few panels, drawn from the point of view of people other than Calvin, Hobbes was an inanimate stuffed animal.  Just as undecidable as whether Kinbote is Shade's creation or the other way around (except that neither of those possibilities interests me, and I doubt that Nabokov intended either).  However, all this has inspired me to find an external link for the goblet.  And maybe somebody needs to put it into Wikipedia!  —JerryFriedman 04:20, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calvin & Hobbes 

message: I'm not going to leave them the way they are forever (which is not to discourage anyone else from working on them).  —JerryFriedman 23:14, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Wonder for what reason Yashin was included, and damn that music.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by DBWikis (talk • contribs) 04:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's got to be the "stupendous Dynamo goalkeeper" whose mannerisms Niagarin could imitate.  See, although not that frequently, the note to line 681.  —JerryFriedman 04:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lev Yashin in Allusions section? 

message: Just wanted to say good work to those behind the interpretation section. It's clear and informative, but still made me laugh out loud when i read it - the reasoning of Pale Fire analysts is as twisted as the story itself.
-- Tom Anderson 05/01/2008 15:19 +0000  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.80.10 (talk) 15:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good 

message: The daughter's name is Hazel and Lolita's last name is Haze. Surely that's an allusion, but I don't know if it's worthy of inclusion; inserting it seems to disrupt the flow.—OlYeller (talk) 15:53, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Though one can do even better—Lolita could be "Haze, L."—I'm inclined to agree that it's not worth including.  I don't remember seeing it in anything I've read.  Of course, if some reliable says it's important, that's different.  —JerryFriedman  (Talk) 21:38, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Hurricane Lolita is also mentioned in the book, and Professor Pnin is also mentioned. Perhaps this could be included in a section that discusses Pale Fire's references to other works by Nabokov?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.35.195 (talk) 20:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Haze and Hazel