Wikipedia talk:Twinkle/Archive 7

message: Is there a prevision for making TW work on non-english wikis?? I am specially interested in using it in the pt wikiChico 14:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other languages 

message: Any idea why I can't tag Subdreamer for speedy deletion using twinkle ?  I can tag other pages still.  When I try to tag Subdreamer, it just opens the only contributor's talk page in the same tab as the one the article was open in, but doesn't put a  speedy tag in the article.  Jackaranga 18:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind it worked when I had more than 1 tab open already, twinkle was just insisting on opening the user page in the first tab for some reason.  Jackaranga 18:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can't tag a page for speedy deletion 

message: I'm trying to figure a way to edit the code so that specific tags don't show up in edit mode of user talk pages. I want to edit 'User:OverlordQ/twinkleprotect.js' and 'User:AzaToth/twinklespeedy.js' so that the tags won't appear in edit mode of talk pages or articles so that I'll have more room for my other tags. Does anyone know what code I should change to make this happen? I would customize it as my own .js file if I figured out how to make those changes. Thanks. Wikidudeman (talk) 22:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Someone help me... 

message: I've been using Twinkle all day today and it's been working fine up until about an hour ago. Now, every userpage I leave a vandalism warning on is added to my watchlist. I have the boolean for watchWarnings set at false yet it still adds them to my watchlist. Anyway of fixing this? Reply to my talk page would be appreciated. Ryan(talk/contribs) 23:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does that to mine as well. Always has. I also have it set at false. Wikidudeman (talk) 23:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But it's been working fine for me, for ages. I'm the kind of person who likes to keep their watchlist as clear as possible so I can devote it to particular articles so something this trivial is actually driving me insane. (My monobook.js) Ryan(talk/contribs) 23:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Are you sure you changed nothing? Perhaps try reverting to the last edit in july in your Monobook file, clear all of your cookies etc and then restart your computer and see if that works. Wikidudeman (talk) 23:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: No I'm afraid it's no use. No change. This is so weird! Ryan(talk/contribs) 00:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I forget to tell you to cross your fingers while doing it. Wikidudeman (talk) 01:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I've discovered the source of the problem. If the option Add pages I create to my watchlist in your preferences is ticked then all users you warn are automatically added to your watchlist. I weird bug but if that's un-ticked, it will work correctly again.Ryan(talk/contribs) 11:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible problem? 

message: It's enormously helpful to turn talk pages with large numbers of unorganized warnings, such as this, into something more structured, like this.  At least I assume it is helpful when determining what sort of warning or block is warranted, so I frequently spend the time and energy to do the formating.  I, in any case, find it useful.
However, warnings added by Twinkle that include the "'If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit..." addendum make it much more tedious to reformat the warnings into numbered list, because the addendum is implemented with a linebreak and the ":" indentation operator.  That breaks the numbering implemented by "#".
May I suggest that the script be changed to surround the addendum with  and , preceeded by a space instead of a linebreak?  The results look identical (on my browsers), and the resulting unbroken warning can easily be later incorporated into a numbered list by adding a leading "#".  (In the referenced example, I used "" instead of the styled paragraph – easier to do by hand – so the formatting is not what you'd see with the styled  suggested here.) --Kbh3rdtalk 21:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "If this is a shared IP address ..." 

message: I've copied the old versions of the scripts to my userspace.  For those that want Twinkle as it was before, without all the extra stuff that Wikidudeman has, in your monobook.js, replace:
importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
with
//importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
importScript('User:Timotab/twinklefix.js');
Once AzaToth has fixed things, my version will go away. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 02:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just tested Timotab's and it works like a charm. Thanks! Ariel♥Gold 03:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternate Solution

message: Not reccommended to use this code anymore as it does not include latest updates from AzaToth.
Q T C 21:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your version seems to fix my issues for Safari. Everything is working normal, or better then with the old version. My only issue is with reloading the original page after Twinkle is done doing its actions. I'll investigate this, it might be an issue with Safari, because i know there is a bug with overloading a current page with a new document. I'll try to figure that one out. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Wow! Fixed my issues with Firefox, too. Like a charm. Thanks! --Moonriddengirl 12:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, I'm still having problems with the automatic tagging functions (CSD, XFD, etc.). The ones that are required to do more than one thing at once (i.e., notify the user for CSD, post the discussion pages for XFD) freezes up on a seemingly random step. See Serious Sam III's history. It posted the AFD template, but failed to do anything else. It works fine for simple procedures like WP:CSD#R1. --Closedmouth 14:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No matter what I do, I can no longer get it to work. I no longer have the Rollback and Vandalism buttons on the History page, though it is available on the diff. I use Firefox; Twinkle was working fine last night, but was broken this morning. I have tried all of the fixes above, purged the cache, reinstalled Twinkle, tried OverlordQ's version, but nothing has worked.  RolandR 16:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  For those who want the new version with fixes. 

message: Not sure where to put this but when trying to roll back i get stuck on:
Grabbing data of earlier revisions:  revision 150452087 that was made 1 revisions ago by 70.68.210.67
Reverting page: loading data...
with no result, just gets stuck there. I using XP & firefox --Nate1481( t/c) 13:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have the same problem, trying to revert but get stuck with the same error message as above (except for the IP and revision number). Regardless, appreciate all the hard work on this Ryan(talk/contribs) 15:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same problem here. Wikidudeman (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Now I get "Grabbing data of earlier revisions:  revision 156187366 that was made 1 revisions ago by C.Fred
Reverting page: loading data..."
And it gets stuck at that stage doesn't revert the page Ryan(talk/contribs) 16:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: For me it seems to work, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=next&oldid=156298144 
Please try to purge your cache again. →AzaToth 16:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I can [rollback] | and | [rollback (VANDAL)] but I can't [rollback (AGF)], the page just hangs Ryan(talk/contribs) 17:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was using the ('User:OverlordQ/twinkle.js') script but since I returned to the original ('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js') script, everything seems to be working. Was I using the wrong code? Ryan(talk/contribs) 18:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets say there was some bugs in my code that I've fixed, hopefully it's enough. →AzaToth 18:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Well I'm quite happy with your code so if it's OK, I'd prefer to continue using it unless you can convince me otherwise :D Ryan(talk/contribs) 18:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, me not compile. →AzaToth 18:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text:  I'd reccommend to use AzaToth's as well, mine was just a temporary stop gap till a proper fix could be made. Q T C 21:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback problem 

message: Is it possible to make the page reload after a warning is placed on a user page? As it was before? Wikidudeman (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it is. →AzaToth 21:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you make it that way? It was a lot easier like that and saved a lot of time. Wikidudeman (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed :) Ryan(talk/contribs) 21:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already done before your last comment :) →AzaToth 21:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: How is that done exactly? Wikidudeman (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I saw that, so I added a new variable wpActionCompletedTimeOut in it's place. →AzaToth 21:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: How do we change this because userpages still don't auto-reload Ryan(talk/contribs) 21:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They do for me. Wikidudeman (talk) 21:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Its a default five second delay. →AzaToth21:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I see that now. Thanks, I appreciate all the work you've put into this! :) Ryan(talk/contribs) 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So if Someone runs on 56k, The 5 second delay might reload the page before everything is done? If I use Cable should I change it to 3 seconds? Wikidudeman (talk) 21:57, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, it's a five second delay after it's all finish. →AzaToth 22:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Oh, Can you change that to a 2 second delay? Or a 1 second delay to make it quicker? Wikidudeman (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Read above: "Between, the reload timer is specified by "Wikipedia.actionCompleted.timeOut = wpActionCompletedTimeOut || 5000;", so it can be changed per user if wanted. →AzaToth 21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reload after user warning 

message: There seems to be a slight omission in the anonblock template listed under BLOCKS under the WARN tab. There is a place in the box for the length of the block but there is no place for the reason for the block. Since the template calls for that parameter, it comes out showing the code and no reason. I hope that's as clear as mud. Otherwise a very useful script. Thanks for your work! --JodyB yak, yak, yak 23:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops...I see now the reason is to be added in the large box. I thought that was different for an additional reason. --JodyB yak, yak, yak 00:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slight bug in block template 

message: Is there a way to toggle the rollback buttons?  They are distracting on the contributions list.  I really like the "restore this version" button on a diff, but I would love to get rid of the rollback buttons on the contributions list. --B 04:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I went ahead and took care of the problem by making my own copy of twinklefluff and removing it there ... but it would be nice to be able to turn it off without it being a hack.  Admins don't need the extra rollback buttons. --B 04:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of the contrib-page rollbacks, they're not working for me presently (FF 2.0.0.6, Win XP Pro SP2).  I tried to rollback vandalism from an IP contribs page, and it went to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/&twinklerevert=vand". --Darkwind (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Same thing here, had to go into the diff to rollback the vandalism.  I am using FireFox too, is anyone having the same problem on IE? - NeutralHomer T:C 05:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed this today as well, (Same setup as Darkwind) at first I thought it was only for edits that had been reverted already by someone else, but I can confirm it happens when they are still the most recent edit. Ariel♥Gold 05:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rollback button 

message: None of the speedy tags seem to work for me; I get a message saying "the page seems to have already been deleted" even when the page hasn't. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 17:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's strange, I just tried speedy tagging only here, and it seems to work.  The relevant code is:
var xmlDoc = self.responseXML;
var exists = xmlDoc.evaluate( '//pages/page[@title="' + wgPageName + '" and not(@missing)]', xmlDoc, null, XPathResult.BOOLEAN_TYPE, null ).booleanValue;
if( ! exists ) {
    self.statelem.error( "It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted" );
    return;
}
 →AzaToth 18:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ditto, I am sorry to say --Slp1 20:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: What page did you try on, and what type of CSD did you use? →AzaToth 21:06, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Just tried speedying User:OverlordQ/Sandbox and it worked fine for me. Q T C 21:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: CSD works fine for me. I especially like the Reload on CSD. Though I wish there was a reload on user warning... Wikidudeman (talk) 21:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed on the reload on user warning Ryan(talk/contribs) 21:28, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I just tried all of them, and none work. I refreshed my cache several times, and it still doesn't. i said 01:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  In your monobook.css is: importScript('User:Timotab/twinklefix.js');, try switching back to the official code. Q T C 10:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I found out why speedy tags weren't working for me. Apparently it won't let me put a speedy tag on a page that already has an AfD tag on it. I used to be able to do this, though. This bug should be fixed. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps•Review?) 20:15, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  It true that it checks for xfd tags, but it should display a confirmation dialog if such happen:
var xfd = /(\{\{(?:[rsaitcm]fd|md1)[^{}]*?\}\})/i.exec( text );
if( xfd && !confirm( "The deletion related template " + xfd[0] + " is already present on the page, do you still want to apply CSD template?" ) ) {
    return;
}
 →AzaToth 20:24, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bug 

message: I came onto Wikipedia yesterday to notice the usual facilities of Twinkle were not working. I could no longer rollback etc. Twinkle was still in my monobook etc., but it was no longer working. I just re-added the installation text to the bottom of my monobook and it seems to be working again. Could anyone explain why this happened? Thanks. → jacĸrм (  talk |   sign ) 18:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why? 

message: ===line 739 of twinklespeedy.js===
On CSD I get a INVALID_EXPRESSION_ERR: DOM XPath Exception 51 on line 739 of twinklespeedy.js (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
*:  had forgot to test the user part, had made similar fixes for the sysop part before, should work now. →AzaToth 11:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: . GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 20:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I get the same problem as Wikidudeman. RolandR 23:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick buglist of new version. bugs only 

message: On CSD I get a INVALID_EXPRESSION_ERR: DOM XPath Exception 51 on line 739 of twinklespeedy.js (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
*:  had forgot to test the user part, had made similar fixes for the sysop part before, should work now. →AzaToth 11:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: line 739 of twinklespeedy.js

message: * On rollback AGF "Undefined value" in morebits.js line 805 (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
** AFAIK this line should be result = value; since value is a simple string. Q T C 23:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: morebits.js line 805

message: * In user contribs pages "TypeError: Undefined value" twinklefluff line 161, no rollback links rendered (Safari 3.0.3 --TheDJ (talk • contribs))
** Line should be something like: current.appendChild since I dont think you can access an XPathResult though array access like that. Q T C 23:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: twinklefluff line 161

message: When requesting a page be protected, I get stuck on "Requesting protection of page: data loaded...".  Wikidudeman (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: . GrooveDog (talk) (Review) 20:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I get the same problem as Wikidudeman. RolandR 23:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Twinkle protect 

message: *arr has no properties in User:AzaToth/morebits.js line 621. MER-C 06:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Firefox 2.0.0.3 by the way. MER-C 07:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: What action do you do? →AzaToth 10:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nothing. Borks on page load. MER-C 09:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What browser are you using? →AzaToth 10:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't worry, I found the problem. It's working now. MER-C 10:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  More general borkage 

message: When trying to tag a page for speedy deletion, I am getting "Checking if page exists: It seems that the page doesn't exists, perhaps it has already been deleted".  Just started today. - Rjd0060 02:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help!, please. 

message: Any way to include that series of templates in the "warning" system? They'd be great for Doctor Who-related talkpages!--Rambutan (talk) 18:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They should already be there - I can see them in the drop down. → AA (talk) — 18:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{tl|uw-chat1}} and so on 

message: The current edit comment on rollback looks a bit like: Reverted to revision 154306541 by
I suggest this would be better as rv to 12:34, 5 Sep, by
This comment is much more useful to someone looking through the history lists to see what reverts are applied. I propose leaving out the year, because keeping edit comments brief is more important than correctly handling reverts of more than 12 months. If you really want to check for what will surely never happen, it might be possible to actually check the year. Just a thought —Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont) 06:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty good idea, I think the revision number is a relic from the past, when it was the only think I had to go with. →AzaToth 16:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest having both.  The revision ID is nice to have as a completely unambiguous link to what was reverted to.  But yeah, the timestamp is generally enough. --Pekaje 16:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I very much like having the TW added comment as short as possible, leaving space for a brief addition of my own. Long comments in a history are really annoying when they wrap around the end of the page. But it would be nice if you could somehow give an internal link from the date to the actual revision. That would be the best of all worlds. Unfortunately, I don't think you can get internal links to revisions. So I still prefer the shortest version possible, as suggested above. —Duae Quartunciae (talk · cont) 23:10, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for the edit comment on rollback 

message: Sometimes SineBot can get in the way of rollbacks, even though it has a built-in delay window (1.5-2 mins) to allow for quick reverts to vandalism.  Since it will always only edit the revision directly before its own, it's safe to assume that the preceding revision (if it's the same person for which the reverts are occurring) is synonymous with the bot's revision, so the revert doesn't have to stop at the bot (thus potentially leaving more vandalism elsewhere).  While you're in there, it might just be an idea to simplify this into a config directive so that bot user names aren't hardcoded and that the script is future-proof. Anyway, it's totally a fluff kind of thing, but *shrug* it might be something to think about :P.  *shrug*  Cheers =)  --slakr\ talk / 18:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Think I understanded around 60% of what you said, could you rephrase the 40% rest? →AzaToth 19:01, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the idea is that if the history goes something like good edit, vandal edit, vandal edit, bot signing vandal edit, vandal edit, top of history, then Twinkle should revert through the bot signing (given that the user config says it should do that) all the way back to the last good edit (assuming all vandalism is from the same user).  However, for these rare occasions I'll just revert with the restore version button instead.  I think it's too much work and potential for error for the benefit it might provide. --Pekaje 19:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature idea 

message: When there is a conflict in rolling back a page, I get this kind of message:
"Warning: Latest revision 157233875 doesn't equals our revision 157233782
Error: Latest revision is made by (User), so it might already been reverted, stopping reverting.
Action: completed"
Shouldn't "equals" be "equal?" That's all. Thanks! —Signed by KoЯnfan71 My Talk Sign Here! 21:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Grammar Problem 

message: I was just using Twinkle to revert vandalism (something I do every night) and now it's not working. I checked to make sure my monobook.js file still had the script in it (which it does) so what happened? I need it to make my life of vandalism fighting easier. Maverick Leonhart (Talk | Contribs) 02:03, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did the whole ctrl-Shift-R thing and it's working again. Why did I have to do that, though? I thought you only had to do that after you install it (I've been using it for a few weeks now). Maverick Leonhart (Talk | Contribs) 02:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Something probably went kaflooey in your browser. Caches can get corrupted, store incomplete downloads, or other craziness that messes up the Web. I wouldn't worry about it. Tuvok[T@lk/Improve me] 03:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

text: i am apparently have the same problem as hersfold above. <control> <shift> <r> does'na work. any ideas where i should look next? --emerson7 | Talk 04:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: no longer working for me as well. (including the ctrl-shift-r in firefox). -- Quaeler 08:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, glad I'm not going crazy - I'll file this in the new bugs section up top. Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suddenly Not Working 

message: I favor the old way of tagging for CSD. I prefer adding warnings on the user's talk personally, and I also don't like the warn it doesn automatically. Is there a way to get just this functionality back without reverting entirely to the old version? As a side note, how can I change the reload time? I tried adding the code in the section above, but it didn't do anything. Any help for the technically uninclined? i said 05:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Easy db? MER-C 09:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, Just replace your version with this:
 importScript('User:Wikidudeman/speedy.js');
That is a copy of the old version. Wikidudeman (talk) 13:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The entire old version, or just speedying? i said 22:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whichever you want. Wikidudeman (talk) 23:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me clarify then. Do I replace the import Azatoth with that one? i said 01:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Now my new question, how do I decrease the reload time? I tried including the aforementioned text, but it didn't do anything. i said 04:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going back 

message: Can we please have back the old Twinkle, which worked? Since the update, there has been nothing but woe, and the script is no longer usable. RolandR 12:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that doesn't work. RolandR 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And nor does that. All it will let me do is roll back any vandalism committed by me!. RolandR 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Hmm, revert stopped working very recently here as well.  Firefox 2.0.0.1, binary release, Gentoo Linux.  I'll have to run an upgrade to check if that could be the cause. --Pekaje 13:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope.  CSD tagging not working either.  IFD worked perfectly a few days ago, though (after the major update). --Pekaje 13:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, actually it does work ... sometimes.  It's a bit too sporadic to be useful, though. --Pekaje 17:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  do you get any JS errors when it doesn't work? →AzaToth 17:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing in the error console.  It just doesn't perform whatever action I was doing at the time, or only partially.  With one CSD tagging it notified the author, but didn't actually tag the article. --Pekaje 18:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Argh, dont tell me that it's the session error again :( →AzaToth 19:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Was the "session error" what caused previous incarnations of Twinkle to sometimes miss edits?  If so, the symptoms seem remarkably similar (like when it used to skip one or more steps in the AFD nominations). --Pekaje 22:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, it can happen for people with less reliable/lower quality connection. →AzaToth 09:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd be surprised if connection reliability was the problem, as the problems occur both on my good cable line and on my rock-stable DSL line.  I also have no problems with other tools that use editing sessions (such as the external editor script).  How can I help debug this problem? --Pekaje 10:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would need the response of a failed edit, i.e. the data the server sends back after an edit, you can see this if you are using FireBug. →AzaToth 12:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: ←I've tried FireBug before, but I can't seem to get any kind of useful log from it.  Maybe I'm just using it wrong, but I haven't been able to find any good instructions. --Pekaje 12:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The new Twinkle is working better for me. Much improved CSD and PROD tagging. Firefox 2.0.0.6, Windoze XP Pro here.--Fabrictramp 22:31, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bring back the old Twinkle! 

message: My apologies if this is covered elsewhere; I've had a scan of the talk page and don't see this particular question: on which pages should the "rollback" and "vandalism" links appear? From some of the discussion, I get the impression they should appear on one's watchlist page, the recent changes page, and on the history page for any article. As things stand for me, they only appear on the comparison pages for a particular change to an article, and on my own contributions list. Most odd. Oh, and I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.6. Many thanks, Liquidfinale 08:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: The "Since" function doesn't seem to properly provide the diff between the last edit and the previous user. Only shows most recent diff. Running on Firefox 2.0.0.6 on Mac OX 10.4.10 --ZimZalaBim talk 23:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Am I the only one experiencing this problem? --ZimZalaBim talk 21:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I implemented the since function to be the diff from the latest edit to the edit made by the previous user than the last user, though I could have made an error in implementation. →AzaToth 21:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, that's how its supposed to work, and how it used to work, but not any more, at least for me. Merely displays the most recent diff, not compared to the previous diffferent user. --ZimZalaBim talk 00:58, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since function 

message: I'm using the current version of IE. I have a question. I installed all the Twinkle scripts see here. But for some reason whenever I go to click a link to use the script, I get the little yellow triangle with the "!" in the bottom left corner of my internet, where you'd normally see "Done" when a page finishes or something and the script doesn't load. Do I need to run Javascript while on Wikipedia? Please contact me on my talk page and help me out Tyler Warren 08:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You get this because IE had an error while loading Twinkle. If you read the Twinkle pages, you will see that Internet Explorer is not supported. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 09:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Switch to Firefox! It's a better browser, and most of the scripts on Wikipedia are designed for Firefox. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 20:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seconded.  Make the switch to Firefox.  Once you do, you'll be wondering why you hadn't done it long ago.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:32, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: When dealing with this edit using twinkle, the revert was made faulty. "%2" was saved to the article instead of the content. As I only know about that revert made in this way, possibly the bug is not in the twinkle code. Anyone else noticed something like that? --Oxymoron83 23:45, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faulty revert 

message: I'm using Seamonkey (Gecko/20070802 SeaMonkey/1.1.4). When using the CSD functionality, it removes all backlinks, but will not delete the page. It gets to the point of "data loaded" and then ... nothing. The TW "popup" remains, but never deletes the page. I encounter the same problem in Firefox (Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6). Vassyana 00:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CSD deletion not working 

message: Is it possible to use Twinkle on other projects? (I'm thinking specifically of en.wb, but it shouldn't really matter which one.)  – Mike.lifeguard | talk 20:57, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No?  – Mike.lifeguard | talk 17:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reverting and diff should possible work out of the box (unless they are still buggy of course), the others might need tweaking to match procedures on other wikis. →AzaToth 19:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using TW on other projects 

message: Please please please! I would really like TW to work on IE. Is it impossible to code it/ get it to work on IE? Thanks. Phgao 17:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note I do use Firefox, but I prefer IE. Yes I do know FF is better in some areas, but I still prefer IE. Phgao 17:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe that Twinkle makes extensive use of some Javascript functionality that IE does not support. I might be possible to support regardless, the point is more I think, that AzaToth (main developer) does not intend to support or debug it. So if someone else does all the work and manages to get it working on IE with a couple of patches, then I guess that would be welcome. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. Unfortunately I have no clue with code, so hopefully someone can do that. Phgao 06:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the moment, I think it's pretty impossible to make it work under IE, as I need to force XML interpretation of the HTML sent from the server. When API edit is running, it theoretically becomes possible to make it work under IE, but that's nothing I can check, as I'm not using Windows. So you would need someone that is using Windows, is decent in JS, and knows my brain to be able to patch the code to work under IE. So to summarize: 1) It is not usable under IE at the moment. 2) to make it work under IE you need someone with lots of time, energy, willpower and IE experience to make it work. 3) I'm not the person defined in (2). →AzaToth 12:15, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Why oh why does Microsoft have do do things differently? I hear they are appealing some case where they got fined 500mil Euros by the EU for violating some practice. But that's another story. I have another question, can you check if when you are reverting vandalism, and press your back button to go back onto the Recent Changes list, does it refresh itself, or do you refresh it? Other user's notes would be appreciated too. I find TW is too slow on FF for me and manualy doing it on IE is faster. Phgao 15:48, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IE 

message: Generally, I watch changes on Vandal Fighter and then use TW to revert.  I'm running Firefox 2.0.0.6 on XP.  I don't know if any of that is relevant, but hey, that's why I'm not a programmer.  Anyway, maybe it's just me, but it seems like with the new version of TW, I'm crossing paths with other vandal watchers a lot more often.  Maybe there's just a lot of us around right now, but I used to get edit conflicts when I tried to revert something someone else had already reverted, now I don't get that any more, so often we wind up warning someone twice for something they only did once.  Lots of overlap.  Into The Fray T/C 00:55, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: TW-bug-13 is probably related --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I tried a couple by hand earlier today, and I'm still not getting edit conflicts when I "undo" the normal way.  Ah well.  Slow down, be more watchful, I says.  Into The Fray T/C 18:05, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: When twinkle first came, it was so fast, that an edit conflict was practically impossible, but perhaps other tools have gained in their speed as well, or that there has been problem with the servers lately. →AzaToth 18:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone else notice . . . 

message: Twinkle in CSD is not posting on the user page anymore, it just tags, and doesnt warn the user who submitted the article. Phgao 13:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok it works most of the time now, only on some pages it just won't work. But all in all, great tool. Phgao 06:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem 

message: I'm very intrested in using TWINKLE, but I only have IE (I can't get Firefox as I'm on a network). I notice that you can add individual modules to your monobook.js - do any of these work on their own? --OZOO (What?) 17:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: None will work. →AzaToth 17:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, see the top discussion. I think other broswers may work, um Opera? Phgao 06:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do any features work on IE? 

message: When tagging a page that meets CSD (confirmed for CSD G10 only) it opens the creator's talk page.  The automatic template that it leaves on the users page includes "To do this, add  on the top of the article ".  Maybe this should be changed to reflect that the hangon template should be placed under the CSD template.  That is what the CSD template instructs anyways. - Rjd0060 01:42, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with Template 

message: Per WP:CSD#I9, can this be added to the CSD tab interface, please? --After Midnight 0001 17:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I9 

message: The instructions at WP:UAA have recently been updated to ask that reports include which of the 5 key reasons to report a username is being invoked. It would probably make life more straightforward for people if the Twinkle reports were updated to include this. The main thing is to include one of the words promotional, disruptive, offensive, confusing or misleading (I think those are the five - check WP:U to make sure). SamBC(talk) 16:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:UAA]] reporting 

message: # Can you add a prod link to userpages? This is allowed per WP:PROD.
# For db-repost, is it possible you could add an option to link to the previous discussion, in case it wasn't on the same page (the tag is usually ).
# For the UAA tool, one must specify the offense by clicking on one of the many boxes. However, when someone is flying through vandal patrol (it gets pretty bad sometimes), this can be onerous, because it's hard to find; perhaps it will allow a report if someone specifies a note in the message box. 
# Bug 1: the WP:RPP tool improperly reports that a page is found, when it isn't always. Example:I tried to report University of Florida to this version of the page, but it didn't work, because University of Florida Taser incident  was already on the page - it thought there was a conflict.
# Bug 2: Twinkle gives requests for unprotection into the Current requests for protection section, not the Current requests for unprotection section. The Evil Spartan 23:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I had Bug 1 too today - War conflicted out because Mexican-American war was already listed at WP:RFPP. BencherliteTalk 19:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feature requests and two bugs 

message: I understand this probably isn't the correct place to post this and I apologise but what exactly does the 'anything for deletion' option do and how does it differ from speedy deletion? Thanks RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 10:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can think of few places better to ask.  Anything for deletion is a single interface to nominating something at AFD, IFD, MFD, PUI, TFD, CFD, and possibly others.  Very useful, when it works (people occasionally report missed edits).  The difference from speedy is of course that it's a nomination for discussion on the deletion. --Pekaje 10:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahhh that makes perfect sense, thank you very much :) RyanLupin (talk/contribs) 10:42, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anything for deletion 

message: The instructions at WP:RFPP say, at step 3, "Please do not add arbitrary requests for a protection expiry time to your request. If there is a specific reason that a page should be protected for a certain amount of time, such as protecting a usertalk page until the user is unblocked, please make this clear."  TW forces the choice of a protection expiry time - can a "blank" be added to avoid annoying those nice people at RFPP with my haphazard choice of expiry times?  Thanks.  BencherliteTalk 19:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the already available "indefinite" is what you're searching for. If you choose this, no protection expiry will be submitted. --Oxymoron83 07:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Really?  I would have thought that it would ask for indefinite (i.e. permanent) protection, which is certainly a protection option used on some pages.  BencherliteTalk 08:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've thought the same before trying it out, maybe "indefinite" is a little bit misleadingly (compared to the "indefinite" regarding blocks). For example this request has been made using the "indefinite" option.--Oxymoron83 08:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, thanks - I'll try that next time.  Could the developer make this clearer, please? BencherliteTalk 08:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoo, it clear to be now need! it into me later look. →AzaToth 21:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anticipation in you to thanks give I.  BencherliteTalk 21:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time limits for protection 

message: Would it be possible to add a welcome option in the "warn" tab?  I'd like to be able to welcome new users with TWINKLE, and not just warn them.  I remember back when I used VandalProof that they had a welcome script in there, so I wouldn't think it would be that hard to implement.  SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle/to do, AzaToth has said he's not going to include any non-"uw" templates. --Darkwind (talk) 03:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Welcome tag? 

message: I'm using Safari 2.0.4 for the Mac.  I note that popups don't work so well, but do perfectly in Firefox for Macintosh.  I couldn't find anything about this issue, but if there's something I can do to make it work and point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.  OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 22:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know this doesn't address your question directly, and I don't want to get into browser wars, but have you tried Camino?  It's the firefox rendering engine, but the interface is in line with the Mac's style. — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 03:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually have tried Camino, which I don't mind.  But I sync my bookmarks between several Macs through .mac, and unfortunately the other browsers don't work.  I actually am trying Safari 3.0 right now.  It works better than Firefox in utilizing Twinkle, but still not perfect (have to refresh the page after make a revert to finish off). OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 00:51, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twinkle with Safari 

message: Do you have a complete list of all the speedy tags, so I can put them in the config?   — Timotab Timothy (not Tim dagnabbit!) 03:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CSD#Deletion templates --Closedmouth 04:35, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete list of speedy tags for config