Talk:Capocollo

message: Most Commercially available capicola(more often called capicollo in this form) although in most of major cites it is often called capi ham, or spicy ham, is actually Capicola cotta, which actuallly cooked and is also sometimes a force meat and not acutally a cured whole muscle product at all.    
You should be able to see the muscle fiber in the capicola, with lines of fat running throught it, the same goes for ham , it should not look homogenous(all one texture) ham can easily be made without sending the animal through a blender first   
This is exactly what I mean! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
--BillyTFried 06:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capicola as spiced ham 

message: It may be notable that a lot of folks with Italian ancestry pronounce it like gabbaGOOL.  I'm not sure it's notable that Tony Soprano pronounces it the same as the rest of us. I'm going to yank it for now.--Jzerocsk 13:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, seeing that BilFlis added it, I'm going to leave it for his comments.  I thought it was added by an anonymous editor :-) --Jzerocsk 13:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The trivia section should stay, especially considering the popularity of the Sopranos.  I bet there were lots of midwesterners scratching their heads when they watched the show...  The article helps people understand the context of the slang "gabbaGOOL".  Also, my mother's side is from the Bronx, and we always said "gabbaGOHL".72.78.6.187 21:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: It is understood that the same item can have different names in different languages.  Anglophones say "Munich," German speakers say "München."  There are language-specific Wikipedias for this purpose.  I recognize that in Italian, capocollo or a variant of that is the way it is written, and the spelling/title is adjusted accordingly in the Italian-Language Article.
:For the English-language wikipedia, the common English spelling should be used (not the Italian one).  If "capicola" is not the most common spelling in English, then by all means the most common English spelling should be used, however the Italian spelling is not necessarily the most common English spelling. This is also why there is a list of alternate spellings.  :--Jzerocsk 17:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello friends.  I would just like to make mention of some facts.  This word is dialect or Neapolitan language and not Italian.  When most Italians came to America 50-100 years ago, they did not speak standard Italian, Italy was still a young country (only founded in 1860).  Most Italians spoke their local language before Italian was imposed.  Therefore, this Neapolitan word has Latin, not Italian, origins.  In Latin it's "caput collum" and in Neapolitan it became "capecuollo."  Your spelling is wrong, you're spelling it according to the slang/American accent.  Using Italian "capocollo" is also wrong, as I mentioned before.  If you want proof that even Italians acknowledge that this is a "Neapolitan" meal, look at the Italian article: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucina_campana#Antica_cucina_campana and you will see the Neapolitan spelling "capecuollo".  Therefore it is no use to have the wrong spelling.  How many of these restaraunteurs in New Jersey are fluent in Neapolitan or Italian?  I'm sorry if this is how they "think" it's spelled, it's not the case.  The correct spelling is "capecuollo" and it can be pronounced "kapakwol" or "gabagula".  But accent/pronunciation and spelling are two different things.  Therefore, I suggest we redirect the article to the appropriate spelling.  Cheers, distanti saluti. --Italia1raga (talk) 12:47, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Exactly. The "correct" spelling of the capital of Italy is http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma but I doubt that's going to force anyone to change the spelling of the title of this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome BillyTFried (talk) 15:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: I noticed that this article is a word-for-word copy-and-paste of the article at reference.com: http://www.reference.com/search?r=13&q=Capicola -- 162.136.192.1 13:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh-heh, that's because reference.com copied it from here (look at the top of that page). -- BillFlis 13:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Entire article copied from reference.com 

message: Can I take it out? Does it really contribute anything to this article? I for one think that even the Big Mac is an interesting, unique, and tasty food item, and would also not really wanna see the FDA description of it as probably..... Two highly fatty beef patties, with multiple fat soaked buns and high calorie "special" sauce. I mean, come on, we could also have a scientific break down of all the nutrient and chemical reaction that occurred during curing, but who wants to read that??? I read this article and get hungry, and then hit that line, and become unhungry. :) Just my 2 cents. BillyTFried (talk) 02:29, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamped article and FDA description 

message: Capicola may be a gourmet item in some countries but in New Jersey it is lunch meat. Nitpyck (talk) 05:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I am also from NJ and have seen it treated as both. BillyTFried (talk) 02:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Jersey 

message: AT the top the article says it's a Calabrian salume, at the bottom it lists four designated "traditional" regions -- indeed, one being Basilicata just north of Calabria, but the rest far far north (in more traditional pig-territory, mostly)...  I would just remove the Calabria-reference as unsourced (Italian version says "from all over italy", but it doesn't say much in general).  
But I'm eating coppa from Modena as we speak, so I may be settentrionalically biased if such a word exists.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.246.115 (talk) 11:13, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Calabrian salume 

message: The first sentence ends, "made from pork shoulder or neck, and dry-cured whole."
Unless some other dialect of English uses "whole" as a noun in this case, I have to ask: dry-cured whole what? --Joe Sewell (talk) 16:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Whole" what? 

message: I propose this article be moved to capocollo because:
# I just bought a meat in New York, and it's labeled "capocollo".
# The first word bolded in this article was already "capocollo".
# The article doesn't include the spelling "capicola", not even once.
# Seems like we already want to use the spelling "capocollo"
--Makkachin (talk) 19:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to Capocollo 

message: I feel compelled to make a series of comments to clarify a few things. I think I'm qualified to make a few points.
1. The mainstream names for the meat described in this article are "coppa" and "capocollo". You can take a look at the article in the Italian Wikipedia. This is not an issue of what side of the world you are or what language you speak as advanced by Jzerocsk and BillyTFried. This is an issue of what the actual pronunciation is and since there is no English word for "coppa" and "capocollo", the same word is used and the same pronunciation should be used.
2. The first sentence says "Capocollo [kapoˈkɔllo], also known as [gaba'goul] (in certain parts of the United States, notably among Italian-Americans in New Jersey, as made famous by the HBO Television series "The Sopranos"; cappicola, coppa in Canada, capicollo or capicolla)".
It's not clear if "cappicola, coppa in Canada, capicollo or capicolla)" belongs to Sopranos or Canada because of the terrible punctuation. Also, "cappicola" is wrong.
3. I don't think the HBO Television series "The Sopranos" should be the frame of reference for the pronunciation of coppa/capocollo. The Sopranos are by far the bible of the Italian language.
4. "Gabagool" is nothing more than a horrendous warping of the word "capocollo" by the NY/NJ immigrants and their descendants who pride themselves to be Italian and probably know little or nothing about Italy, its languages, its cultures ... let's not even mention the food. This is clearly the result of perception of what is Italian, the medias and what people learned from ancestors that were mostly illiterate and did not even speak Italian. Let's keep in mind Italy was not even a country until 1861 and people did not speak the Italian language until television until the 1950s, particularly in rural communities. Gabagool does not exist as a word and, quite honestly, it sounds really horrible.
5. Words like "gnocchi", "lasagne" and "Parmigiano Reggiano" have been sufficiently butchered by English language speakers so I don't think the same thing needs to be done to coppa/capocollo which should be simply be pronounced kop-pa/kapocol-lo. It cannot be simpler than that. Italia1raga on this page makes a series of valid comments that reflect this tendency of accepting anything that is on TV or is from Naples as the bible.
6. BillyTFried on this page posted images that show what happens when you let people and businesses use and print names of products that should be standardized all over the world like the world "tiramisù" which is erroneously spelled "tiramisu" because, obviously, non-English languages in the U.S.A. are constantly dismantled (it's too much work to spell things properly - accents do not exist in English). The product on the left clearly says "capocolla" which is totally wrong. This is not surprising when you see all kinds of shocking names and ingredients listed in menus of restaurants that label themselves as Italian. A few months ago I found over 25 errors in a menu for an Italian-wanna be restaurant in town.
7. Makkachin makes a good point. However, this pages, currently entitled "capicola", should really be called "coppa" or "capocollo" which would reflect the two mainstream names for the meat.
ICE77 (talk) 04:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some well deserved comments 

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message: *  I undid your recent edit because Wikipedia can't ignore common use because we consider it incorrect. We're here to report reality, not to shape it. If you can find reliable sources giving their view that the term "gabagool" is erroneous, we can mention that people hold that view. Happy to discuss this further.—Neil P. Quinn (talk) 17:19, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gabagool