Talk:108 Heroes

message: D3v4st4t0r split off the Suiko chart and moved it to a special Suikoden page, although lots of the links still point to here.  I'm not sure I agree with that; the "original" 108 Stars are certainly relevant for the Suikoden section for comparison, and I don't think we get much added by having a separate page.  I'm not completely against it having its own page, but it should be done with discussion, and with moving a lot more links should it actually occur.  Any thoughts? SnowFire 16:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.  Well, I just think that the original information is interesting, but since Devastator presumably agrees with you, if no one else pipes up within the next few days, I'll go ahead and move it back. SnowFire 19:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suikoden section split-off? 

message: I'm sorry for re-igniting an old, heated debate, but I hope nobody minds if I look for a compromise.
The problem is that some WM character articles are about two people that are so closely related that even after expansions, they would result in nearly identical articles, which IIRC is not acceptable in WP (but I haven't been on for a year and a half, so please bear with me). Therefore, I propose merging together heroes:
*Who were born and died at around the same time
*Who almost always appear together
*Who are nearly always together in battle
*Who ascended Liangshan at the same time
*Were placed adjacent to each other in Chapter 70 (Jin Shengtan)/Chapter 71(original)
*Will not violate WP:SYNTH
Articles that will be merged:
*Xie Zhen and Xie Bao
*Han Tao and Peng Qi
*Shan Tinggui and Wei Dingguo
*Lü Fang and Guo Sheng
*Kong Ming and Kong Liang
*Xiang Chong and Li Gun
*Tong Wei and Tong Meng
*Chen Da and Yang Chun
*Gong Wang and Ding Desun
*Zou Yuan and Zou Run
*Cai Fu and Cai Qing
*Zhang Qing and Sun Erniang
Articles that will not be merged:
*Song Jiang and Song Qing
*Zhu Tong and Lei Heng - different stories
*Xu Ning and Tang Long
*The Mus
*The Ruans
*Zhang Heng and Zhang Shun
*Yang Xiong and Shi Xiu
*Zhu Wu into Chen Da and Yang Chun because of Zhu's special status as vice-strategist (and we don't want to merge all three into Shi Jin)
*Huang Xin into Qin Ming
*the Dengzhou guys apart from the Xies
*Xuan Zan and Hao Siwen - did not become a pair until they both fought under Guan Sheng
*Xiao Rang and Jin Dajian - completely different jobs, Xiao Rang is much more visible
*Ling Zhen into Han Tao and Peng Qi - Han and Peng were sworn brothers, while Ling just happened to hop along with Huyan Zhuo because he's good at cannons
*Wang Ying and Hu Sanniang - different stories
*Bao Xu and Jiao Ting
*Fan Rui into Xiang Chong and Li Gun
*Hou Jian and Xue Yong
*Song Wan and Du Qian
*Li Zhong and Zhou Tong
*Zhu Fu and Zhu Gui - ascended at different times, different posts
Kayau (talk · contribs) 02:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Middle grounds?

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below, with no prejudice against future discussion of a list title.  Dekimasuよ! 04:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: 108 Stars of Destiny →  – "108 Heroes" is the most common name of these people in English-language sources about The Water Margin. "108 Stars of Destiny" seems to be the translation of 108星 in the Japanese video games Gensou Suikoden and saw very limited usage in English-language writings about Water Margin. KomradeRice (talk) 16:53, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 May 2022