Talk:Visual arts education

message: Shouldn't this article be called 'visual art education'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.133.205 (talk) 14:28, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Arts" or "Art"? 

message: To Art education in the United States. Tyrenius (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed move of article

message: I gave it a shot. Removed the following passage of original research, which was restored with cite tags soon thereafter:
*In many studies it has been found that technology facilitates and promotes learning, from special education classrooms to vocational schools. However, many school districts are lagging behind in this area within the Fine Arts Program, specifically the Visual Arts. Many teachers have proposed the implementation and integration of technology within the visual arts curriculum (K-12), not just through the use of technology equipment such as smart boards, ipads, computers, drawing tablets, digital photography, video and similar media but by teaching courses such as animation, graphic design, game and character design, fashion design illustration, advertising design and illustration, etc. The main goal being to improve student retention, offer new skills to our students, and advance their technological knowledge which in turn might entice them to pursue their college education within the visual arts. Most educators feel the need to continue integrating the art curriculum with core subjects and create innovative classroom solutions to attract, motivate and support the new Common Core Standards being implemented in many states.
The passage includes In many studies it has been found , many school districts are lagging behind, Many teachers have proposed, offer new skills to our students, and advance their technological knowledge and Most educators feel.  Ostensibly it sets up the cited passages that follow, but with or without tags, this is editorial commentary constructed on weasel words, and doesn't belong in an encyclopedic entry. More eyes appreciated. JNW (talk) 00:42, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I did the restore adding the cite tag & template.  Our readers are now alerted that this paragraph has issues.  WP:AGF suggests any ediotor concerned about the lack of citations, go back through https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Art_education&action=history and ask the editors who worked on this paragraph to add citations. If that fails to to make a decent effort to find some yourself (a few hours? - it's a broad area). Lentower (talk) 20:42, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd suggest otherwise--it's so poor an addition that it falls to the restorer of the content--you--to find relevant references. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be replaced without an inline citation to a reliable source, a basic tenet at WP:UNSOURCED, which takes precedence over the assumption of good faith. We do not publish unsourced commentary, or even what we might assume is a synthesis of unsourced references. JNW (talk) 22:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry, but I call total BS. It's terribly, terribly written; I can't make heads or tails of it. Yes, it's unsourced, and it also contains weasel words and seems totally soapboxy. I removed it. I'm not going to spend "a few hours" sourcing some poorly written jibber-jabber, even though I'll assume the good faith of whoever put it in there first. Drmies (talk) 02:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That was sort of the tip of the iceberg. There was much more unsourced commentary throughout the article, mostly advocating for increased art education. Well, yes, but we don't use Wikipedia articles as soapboxes. JNW (talk) 15:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This edit , which has stood for several years, appears to be self-sourced. It was added by an L Taylor, and includes primarily content from their discussion with an educator whose notability is not established. It's not clear that the interview was published anywhere. Any thoughts on whether this be retained? JNW (talk) 15:13, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technology 

message: That the article is poorly written and sourced becomes clear by comparison to this website , a chronological overview of art education assembled by graduate students. It's good, and offers an example of where this article can be directed, though content published by recognized scholars would be better. JNW (talk) 13:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article quality and lack of reliable sources 

message: The article is short, and I feel that they should also put in the other forms of art under the same article, and put it back to just Art Education in order to make the article longer. 99.253.40.224 (talk) 16:00, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slightly Short 

message: I was wondering, as this bit comes out of the blue, if there is really need of that "cultural appropriation within the classroom". It makes this whole article euro/western-centric, like art education works in the west and elsewhere art just happens and is funneled into the west.157.25.89.227 (talk) 06:21, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Cultural appropriation within the classroom" bit. 

message: It does not surprise me that an article on the fine arts are poorly sourced and written. However, it only took one search of of the topic on Google scholar to find this: 
The TOC of this book could be used as an outline for this article, but it would mean dealing with the issue of systematic bias in that the concepts of both the fine art(s) and formal education originated in Europe, and likely only exist currently worldwide as a result of colonization and globalization, with little remaining of other traditions in academic sources.
--WriterArtistDC (talk) 04:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources needed, easily found 

message: The Template:Educational research box should be removed from this article for the reasons discussed here: Template talk:Educational research#Proposal to replace this with the Template:Education. Sda030 (talk) 15:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to replace Template:Educational research with the Template:Education