Talk:Cheerleading/Archive 1

message: Cheerleading also catches links from Cheerleader, so if anyone's editing this page, they can include information about the actual people who cheerlead.
I slightly edited the reincorporation, because the word "merely" undermines the importance of the aesthetics of the human body. Otherwise I second the revision. Mikkalai 17:38, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

message: At the high school level, cheerleading is broken up into 3 sub categories, with cheer, song, and pep flags. Could we please mention this?
These three categories are not nationwide at the high school level, let alone worldwide.  I don't really think that this merits inclusion.MsDivagin 19:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: Have 3 sub-categories 

message: I would go so far as to say the ABSENCE of information about the cheerleading stereotype is an example of POV, as the stereotype is out there and a very important (if undesirable) part of popular opinion about cheerleading.  I added in a small paragraph about the uniforms which I don't feel violates NPOV, although I really think there should be a stereotype / pop-culture reference paragraph in there as well. Seyon 06:15, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniforms

message: I'm surprised there's no mention of movies like Bring It On which was all about cheerleading. —Phil | Talk 10:20, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Movies 

message: I cleared up the definition of cheerleading at the top of the page. The first sentence was: "Cheerleading is the organized use of song, dance and/or gymnastics to encourage crowds to cheer on sports teams at games and matches." That is true for cheerleading teams who do cheer on sports teams, otherwise known as "sideline cheerleaders," but that definition does fit the definition of all cheerleading teams, such as all-star cheerleading teams. Although the definition goes on to explain that cheerleading is also undertaken as a competitive sport, it can be interpreted as "all cheerleading teams cheer for sports teams, but some of them compete as well." I also erased the part mentioning cheerleading as recreational activity. I'm almost positive there is no such thing as a "recreational cheerleading team." They're either a team that cheers for sports, or a team that is competitive, in that case, they are considered all-star. Additionally, it mentioned that competitive cheerleading is most popular in the United States and Canada. Actually, the majority of cheerleaders in places such as the UK and Australia are competitive. Spuddy 17 22:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  cleared up definition 

message: This is what I need to know: What's the difference between cheerleading squads and pom squads? Aren't they the same thing? Oh, and I noticed there isn't a colorguard article on Wikipedia. Could someone who knows more about than I do possibly write up one? Fanficgurl 5:27, 1 Feb 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the difference between... 

message: I noticed there is a huge section dedicated to the how tos of partner stunts. There are so many different stunts that cheerleaders perform that listing every single one, and how to perform them, would use an enormous amount of space. I think it would be a lot easier for the reader to swallow if maybe some basic stunts were included, not every stunt a parter group performs, and the how tos. Spuddy 17 06:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  overkill? 

message: Who in the world wrote this garbage about how she died? I am a friend of her mother's and know for a fact that her cause of death was due to a blunt trauma that ruptured her spleen and therefore died of internal bleeding. I don't think there is a better reference than her autopsy report. I am disgusted by this. You can not change the truth to fit your idea of cheerleading safety.
:Great.  Please update the article itself and make sure you remember to cite the information properly.  --Yamla 00:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, but how is this really relevant?  What is your fixation with six-packs, Kane50? --Yamla 14:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ashley Burns' death 

message: Hi, I did some updating to the article, and will explain it here: Although I appreciated the detail of the how-to section for stunts, I thought it was unnecessary because (1) as stated before, it could get very long; (2)it might influence some child to go out and try them with her friends--wikipedia is not really an instruction manual, and in this case it would be dangerous if someone where to try them out based on the article; (3)there are lots of variations between teams as to how to perform certain stunts. So instead of listing all possible variations, I thought it might be better to have a list of the common stunts, and a brief (I tried!) description of the end result. I included a potential link to an article about stunting methods (I don't know if it is necessary though...) incase people wanted to still keep it. I saved the old stunting info to a word doc, in case anyone wants it...just let me know. Also, that info was in reference to partner stunts, and if we were going for the "end-result" description idea, there would be a lot of redundancy to describe again what all the partner stunts look like. I will add a bullet point about what partner stunts are though. 
I added a few things here and there, I don't think there should be a problem with those edits. 
And I added a section about famous cheerleaders. I found the List of cheerleaders afterwards, and I don't want this to just be a repetition of that list at all, but I thought it might be good to have a SHORT list of internationally famous people. Presidents, A-list actors, and others of such fame. Obvisouly there are probably thousands of actors and singers who were cheerleaders, and it would be ridiculous to include them all. But this can be perhaps, the very best. I think it would be important to include for a few reasons, the most important (probably) to dispel rumours that cheerleaders are ALL brainless/sluts etc. Another reason being that many articles (universities, etc) have lists of notable alumni...this is sort of similar. But if anyone has a problem with including it (or anything else I did here) please bring it to my attention here, and we can all figure it out. :) 
2 more things: I don't know how to do pictures, so I can't do this, but the quality of these pictures are...not so good. The front one is a half of a stunt..? An the other stunt ones should be clear as to what they are doing exactly. So if someone could get some good quality photos, that would be great. Secondly, I am wondering if the results of the worlds competition should not have its own page? The FIFA World Cup has its own page seperate from soccer, etc, so I think it would be better to have its own page with all those tables. Ideas? Thanks for reading, let me know of any problems. DerGlizerndeDiamant 00:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 24 Revision 

message: I didn't want the author to be angry if I made changes without discussing it, so I am bringing it up here. I believe that cheerleading uniforms tend to be the school or team's colours, bright or otherwise (many schools have navy blue or maroon, dark green, even black). True, the school/team colours may have been chosen to be bright in order to be more noticeable, but they could also have to do with the school's history, location, etc. I therefore think the idea that cheerleading uniforms are made to attract attention is inaccurate. Should a change be made? I also think that the fetish statement is out of place (someone mentioned it earlier in this talk page). A weird person could have a fetish with just about anything, and that does not mean it should be mentioned on every article on something about which a perverse person could have a fetish. I am not trying to rid the article of anything negative--I think it could be valid to say something about the fact that cheerleading is sometimes perceived as having sexual connotations, but I think this would belong in the history section and not a general truth about cheerleading. Thoughts? DerGlizerndeDiamant 06:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "sometimes considered to have sexual connotations"? Hell, the whole point of cheerleading is to let men look at pretty women...  —Nightstallion (?) 21:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uniform Section

message: Of course there will be differences in what different squads/different parts of the country/world call different stunts, but I have never heard of an extension being called a "double base". Let's discuss it, or take a vote. This is an extremely common stunt, really the most basic, so it should be easy to come to a consensus based on majority for its name. (We are talking about the 4 person basic stunt with hands at clavical level, not a full extension. Hmm, that even makes it more in favour of being called an extension, it the extended version of it is called a full extension). So, I vote:
Extension DerGlizerndeDiamant 18:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stunting Revisions Vote

message: I posted a while ago about the article becoming too long with the description of individual stunts and whatnot. No one responded so I went ahead and deleted all the stunting and tumbling descriptions. This is not a cheerleading elements how-to. There are dozens of different stunts, tumbling passes, jumps, and motions that cheerleaders do. If each element gets its own description and how to this article will be miles long. Please leave the sections to basic descriptions.Spuddy 17 00:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: article too long

message: I agree that a description of every part (transitions included) of every partner (1 base, 1 flyer) stunt could be a bad idea for the reasons listed above, but partner stunting is certainly a significant part of cheerleading, especially for college and some all-star teams. While there are probably technically hundreds of different stunts, most of them are differentiated merely by the transitions involved, and the end goal of many of them is usually the same. I think in the interest of completeness that it would be a good idea either to create a new article or to devote a section in this article to general descriptions of categories of stunts. I realize that some squads call the same stunt by different names, but that is a hurdle that is easy enough to overcome and is certainly not a reason to eliminate stunt descriptions altogether.--Thizzlethethird 04:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stunting

message: I noticed that someone removed the list of various jumps from this article.  I agree that it weighed this article down and is better removed.  However, I have moved the information to a new list-type article, List of cheerleading jumps, so that it won't be lost from view. ~ ONUnicorn (Talk / Contribs) 13:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of jumps

message: I looked up this page because I've always been perplexed about the idea of cheerleading.  As a non-American I'm completely unfamiliar with the cheerleading culture, except what I've gleaned from movies.  I find it astonishing that there exists a sport (or activity) which puts women on the sidelines while the boys play.  Even more so that this is allowed and encouraged at schools.
If this is the case, then there is surely some criticism of it - can anyone supply details on that?  If it's not the case, then could there be some details as to the legitimacy of cheerleading as an activity.
I'm not the right person to do this, as I have no understanding of the activity.  Kitty Davis 10:28, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion: Explain culture and include criticism 

message: The formal definition of a sport is an “athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.” Cheerleading is an extreme physical activity, which requires an immense amount of conditioning. Stunting is a major component of a successful cheerleading team. In order for a stunt to be preformed successfully and safely each stunt group must be completely in sync. Flyers must be flexible and in complete control of their movements. Bases must posses the strength and skill in order to keep their flyer safe. To insure that the entire team performs perfectly many hours of training is mandatory. On an average week each team member must stay after-school for practice for approximately two and a half hours. Teams are often required to practice when school is not even in session. Cheerleading practices include stretching, conditioning, stunting, and routine choreography. All practices will hopefully lead to a successful competition. The cheerleading competitions are made up of many teams of the same level striving to achieve first place to bring the trophy home to their school. The average routine of a competition lasts only two and a half minutes however many hours of prep time are required before any team will ever step into an arena. Not only do Cheerleaders practice and work just as hard and long as other sports teams of our district, they are also required to maintain the same academic standards set forth by the district for all other sports team members and thereby deserve the same consideration and respect.
:WP:RS, WP:NOR.  --Yamla 22:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheerleading is a sport 

message: Celebrity Cheer is listed as being from Maryland, which is incorrect. Celebrity has two gyms - one in Salem, NH and one in Montville, CT. The team that placed second in International Junior was from the Salem gym. Please correct this! Thanks. ImsoFIERCE 22:43, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celebrity Cheer 

message: Listed among the famous cheerleaders is George W. Bush, presumably because of a quote in this section based on this source: 
:At 15, he left home to start on the traditional family educational track at an elite prep school in the East, Phillips Andover. George Sr. had been a baseball star wearing the Andover "A." Bush also played baseball, but mostly made his mark as a cheerleader for the teams. (emphasis added)
What I'm trying to figure out is whether that term is actually relevant, or whether the CNN writer's use of the word "cheerleader" is too coloquial to earn any mention here. Thoughts? \sim Lenoxus " * " 04:05, 30 April 2003
Accourding to [] Bush was a head cheerleader (in the cheer on another team sense, lead the crowd, member of the cheerleading squad/captian) for Phillips Academy in Andover, MA. MsDivagin 20:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GW Bush misinterpretation? 

message: No information on Japanese cheerleading teams?  It is quite different from US style cheerleading, and well worth a mention.  Squads are usually half male, and taiko drums and large flags are often involved.
As an expert in American style cheerleading, I know that this style is very popular in Japan and have even watched Japanese routines on www.youtube.com but I can not comment in it from a knowedgable point of view.  I suggest edits for this by a Japanese editor more knowledgable about it than me.MsDivagin 20:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cheerleading in Japan?