Talk:Hurricane Dennis/Archive 1

message: For the love of Jimbo, please be sure to upload over the old one instead of creating a new image. We don't need to leave old forecasts littered in the image namespace like some people did last year. -- Cyrius|✎ 7 July 2005 22:37 (UTC)
:That's why I gave it a generic name, and mentioned that people should look to the upload log for the version info. I took that from :Image:Ivan 2004 Track.gif which had about 30 different uploads under that same name, so this system works.
:And I'm going to steal that phrase now. *waves his hand in a J formation* --Golbez July 7, 2005 22:43 (UTC)
::I'm being preemptively pissed off at the people who don't follow your lead. -- Cyrius|✎ 7 July 2005 22:44 (UTC)
::On the image uploads, not the J thing. -- Cyrius|✎ 8 July 2005 01:57 (UTC)
www.wunderground.com has a updated Track image. --Wimtennis2005 8 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)
:Which we can't use. -- Cyrius|✎ 8 July 2005 19:10 (UTC)
:: What is the rule there?  Is it that the NOAA images are considered free use?  I've been kinda wondering (espcially since I've been one of the ones guilty of snatching up the picture for in here).  Donovan Ravenhull 9 July 2005 02:15 (UTC)
:NOAA imagery, as works of United States federal government employees while carrying out their official duties, is public domain. Good ethics to say where you got the pictures from, but there's no copyright attached. -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 02:40 (UTC)
::That's why I love the gov: free images for Wikipedia. ;) --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 03:48 (UTC)
Can a non-admin write over an existing image? Because NOAA has released a new track image (5PM EDT) and the one we have is now outdated (11AM EDT). -- Titoxd 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Track image 

message: Note that there are a lot of variables included, since we don't know what the death toll, damage figures (although I am guessing in the billions), maximum winds, date of death (when it dissipates or is no longer causing damage) or the exact territories affected (that list is based on the current track but can be changed).
CrazyC83 8 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)
:Given that we can't fill in any of the real boxes yet, let's not be in a hurry. -- Cyrius|✎ 8 July 2005 01:34 (UTC)
::That's why I think we should leave it right there, and fill them in right there. Only when we get a full list of preliminary numbers (and the storm passes) should we put it on the page itself. CrazyC83 8 July 2005 02:09 (UTC)
I've seen better pictures than that. OSEI has a good one  the one on the NRLMY site is not bad. 
E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)
:The death date should be listed as one of the following: If the storm is in the open water, the date it becomes extratropical. If the storm is on land, the date of death should be either the date it leaves land while extratropical, or the date that the storm (including its remnant low) is no longer causing any real damage as a system (which means when it dissipates, is absorbed by a front or extratropical low or moves out of populated areas). CrazyC83 19:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: For any admins out there, :Image:Dennis 2005 Track.gif needs to be updated regularly by you.  Since it is on the mainpage, it has been protected. Thanks. --tomf688(talk) July 8, 2005 21:35 (UTC)
* I've uploaded to a new file :Image:Hurricane Denis Path.gif due to the protection and put that one on the page.  The issue with the protection needs to be addressed though. Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 21:56 (UTC)
** Please don't do this, it just creates more stuff to clean up. -- Cyrius|✎ 8 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)
*** If they unlock the original, I'll go back to updating that one... until then... Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 22:18 (UTC)
**** Well, now the new image is protected too.... Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 22:20 (UTC)
***** It is still quite protected. An admin (me), cleaned things up. We're an encyclopedia, being a little slow isn't a failure. And how the hell am I supposed to respond to you if you won't stop commenting? -- Cyrius|✎ 8 July 2005 22:21 (UTC)
****** I appologize.  At the time, I was trying to get things updated before my wife picked me up to face the supermarket madness at D minus 2.  Being well in the strike path (Mobile, AL), I have been keenly interested in keeping things up to date in any way that I was able too.  Hope I didn't offend.  As it is, since you do have admin powers, could you blow away the other image I uploaded? Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 23:47 (UTC)
******* You caught some spillover annoyance at that monstrosity of a template on Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season in addition to the minor annoyance of having to clean things up. Wait, Mobile? What the hell are you doing around here!? Get yourself out of there! -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 01:54 (UTC)
******** (we got enough stars for this?)  I'm in a good solid brick house on high ground.  We got propane and canned goods.  And we know the best thing in our situation is to hunker down and ride it out.  Besides, I work for the Phone company, so the best I can do is kick the family out of the house (like I did last year during Ivan cuz my <2yo step grandkids were here then).  I've lived through Ivan, Fredrick, and countless minor hurricanes and storms (don't get me started on Danny in '97), and while there is a risk, it is managable. Donovan Ravenhull 9 July 2005 02:10 (UTC)
********* Brick? You mean brick veneer over sticks? Given the risk of Dennis being Camille-caliber, I'd head for the hills. But that's me. -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 02:39 (UTC)
Still three days until landfall, so no rush.  I'd recommend bravely running away if Dennis is looking like it is now or stronger in two days. --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 03:46 (UTC)
:Speaking of things that are protected that need updating: the ITN article needs some minor tweaking (Dennis is no longer "approaching Cuba"). --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 03:54 (UTC)
::Done, I think. -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)
:::Tubular. ;) --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 04:05 (UTC)
::::And, for future reference, it would probably be best to upload the track images to the Wikimedia Commons instead of to Wikipedia so they can be used with more ease between wikis (mostly between Wikipedia and Wikinews). --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 05:49 (UTC)
:::::I would think Wikinews would want one that is static to the story issue time. -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 05:50 (UTC)
To quote the Mobile NWS office:
:"Every hurricane is different and just because you have made it through other storms with very little damage...don't assume that Dennis will be the same. Don't be a statistic...obey all evacuation orders."
It would probably have a little more impact if it didn't have the ellipses that seem so pervasive in NWS writing. -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 05:55 (UTC)
::And the fact that NWS keyboards are forever stuck on caps lock. --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 05:56 (UTC)
:::I'm interning at a NWS office this summer and I can tell you that when typing up official products/documents to publish, everything reverts to all-caps once the document is "sent" no matter what... I guess that's just protocol. (And darn it, I've even picked up their ellipsis habit too... next thing you know my comments in here will LOOK LIKE THIS). The Great Zo 9 July 2005 06:11 (UTC)
::::Well we can't hold it against the NWS; they are meteorologists afterall, not linguists. --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 06:25 (UTC)
:::::I imagine that they have to use CAPS because there might be some old systems that don't support lowercase characters (I can't think of any, though) and they would be killed by public scrutiny if they didn't send out a forecast to a station because of that... (and dang, I got the ellipsis habit too!!!) -- Titoxd 9 July 2005 07:01 (UTC)
::::::Hooray for legacy systems! -- Cyrius|✎ 9 July 2005 07:06 (UTC)
Dennis track image needs to be unprotected, since it is no longer on the frontpage.  Thanks. --tomf688(talk) 23:18, July 9, 2005 (UTC)
:Unprotected. Got a headache, somebody else deal with updating. -- Cyrius|✎ 02:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dennis path image needs updating 

message: Sorry, Cyrius.  First time dabbling in imagery; I'll be more careful next time -- though I can see that a page could well get image heavy; certainly there's some good middle ground?--Baylink 9 July 2005 17:53 (UTC)
:The image you removed is one of the sexiest hurricane images I've ever seen.  It'll probably be the permanent header once the storm has gone.  --tomf688(talk) July 9, 2005 18:32 (UTC)
:It isn't just that you've added an image, it's that you orphaned one to do it. I'm trying to cut down on the litter of unused images tropical systems generated last year. -- Cyrius|✎ 02:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image retention 

message: And I'm not gonna even pretend I have the skills to do the rewrite.  But it is time to transform this to a 'what did happen' article. Donovan Ravenhull 11:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Event to Archive Time 

message: The damage and casualty figures cited in the article don't match with the ones shown in the infobox. It says 3-5 billion dollars at the bottom of the article and 5-9 billion dollars in the infobox. The numbers for casualties aren't consistent throughout either. bob rulz 22:34, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
:That is because the $3-5B is insured damage, the $5-9B is the total damage. About half of the damage was in Cuba and Haiti. CrazyC83 03:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damage and casualty figures 

message: I've begun to change the references to the Footnote3 format, in preparation for a FAC. I'll have to go soon, so someone may want to continue where I left off. The Wikipedia:Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations page will be very helpful to whomever keep doing it. Titoxd(?!? - did you read this?) 00:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've finished all of the references off and updated a couple as well as tweaked some wording. I think this article is ready for a FAC nomination. - Cuivienen 00:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing references 

message: I'm thinking that this article is ready for a peer review. Does anyone have any major changes to make/objections before it is put up for one? I'll give this a week before opening up a peer review. - Cuivienen 17:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We had already done a sort-of-peer review at Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season, so I went ahead and nominated it for a Featured Article status. Titoxd(?!? - did you read this?) 02:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review 

message: I don't know what browser you;re using Titoxd, but on my computer (Internet Explorer), relocating the Storm Track image creates a HUGE area of white space at the top of the Storm History section. I think this problem is much larger than two images being close to each other. - Cuivienen 23:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. I'm using FireFox, but I'll check with IE. Either way, I'm going to test it with both now. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  And now I've figured out a way for it to display correctly. Most of the problems were due to the Wikinews box. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image Locations 

message: I've found the following source , that gives details about the casualties in each part of Florida up to the county, but I can't make too much with it... anyone want to help? (I've already added some information from the Red Cross about Haiti). Titoxd(?!? - help us) 06:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm working on it now, along with several other recent storms before it was experimented with Katrina and became standard with Rita. CrazyC83 19:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help with source 

message: That box is usually placed at the bottom of the page. I've heard it was causing some problem on some browsers. Perhaps that's a solution? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikinews box 

message: Comparing the text to the TCR I found a lot of errors in the storm history.  Both landfalls at Cuba listed the wrong wind speed.  The hurricane didn't reach 150mph winds until after its first cuba landfall.  And peak intensity wasn't reached until the hurricane was in the Gulf of Mexico. Though it is likely it broke Audrey's record earlier, it is the 930 mbar pressure from July 10 that is the important one ("the strongest July hurricane").  Audrey's lowest recorded pressure was 946 mbar but records are incomplete (see s:Atlantic hurricane best track), so claiming an exact time for when the hurricane broke this record seems unnecessary; however, going by the best-track Dennis reached 938 mbar by 1200 UTC on July 8. — jdorje (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Additionally, there is no information on flooding or rainfall, which is rather crucial.  I added a short paragraph on U.S. flooding, and uploaded 4 images from NOAA, but I haven't found room for any of the images yet (maybe a separate gallery would be appropriate; see :commons:Category:Hurricane Dennis).  Also, some information on Cuba flooding would be nice: the NHC report says maximum rainfall in Cuba was 27" within 24 hours, which is...extreme. — jdorje (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fixes 

message: Helpful in checking for vandalism: this link shows the difference between the current version and the pre-TFA version.  This link shows the difference between  the current version and a more recent non-vandalized version. — jdorje (talk) 03:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh heh, I know you're paying close attention (most vandalism so far has been caught within seconds).  As for fact-checking, I did a last read-through a few hours before the article appeared on the main page, and made these revisions, so that's what would need to be fact-checked. — jdorje (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This guy needs help! I have seen a lot of vandalism in my time here, but that is crazy. (careful, it may crash your computer!) -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 04:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Blocked immediately by Curps. See the vandal's block log. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 04:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I saw that. I was just pointing out the insanity of it. -- §HurricaneERIC§Damagesarchive 06:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

text: OK, it got vandalised whilst I was reverting there... Didn't catch the second bit. Thanks NSLE. - JVG 15:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to rollback, but got caught by your edit, so I realised that there was still some vandalism. NSLE (T+C) 15:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I got it back to your edit of 15:05 UTC - JVG 15:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism