Talk:1986 United States bombing of Libya

message: Why on Earth was this renamed?  This should be removed and changed back to "Operation El Dorado Canyon". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkp1187 (talk • contribs) 
:Although I didn't do the moving - probably because operation names are bad titles for articles related to military actions - since there are two sides involved. To title the article as the name of the operation would show some bias to one side or the other. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history#PC_event_titles_-_.22conflict.22_instead_of_.22War.22 Megapixie 03:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In which case the article should cover the entire history of US-Libyan interactions, including terrorist attacks supported by Libya, air battles over Gulf of Sidra in 1981, etc.  The article does NOT do this and refers specifically to Operation El Dorado Canyon. Jkp1187 15:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Further point -- this means that a series of military operations will now be subject to odd names.  Should Operation Entebbe be renamed: "Israeli rescue of hostages taken by Palestinians aided and abetted by Idi Amin]]?  I am changing this back to El Dorado Canyon.  If nothing else, it is a bit high-handed to change the name of this article without any discussion whatsoever.  Jkp1187 15:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Again, please do not re-name this article again without any discussion.  Jkp1187 23:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Truly an oddly named article...Operation Eldorado Canyon would make more sense as it would be specific to the content of this article. It is hard to believe that Libya has never been bombed on any other occasions, e.g., during World War II for example. Not to mention practice bombings by USAFE aircraft when Wheelus was in use.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.140 (talk) 20:11, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

text: After a discussion on WP:MILTHIST I have reverted back to the original title and added a hat note to the article. There are only two other bombings, one in World War II and a French air raid (which was also in 1986), and those are linked at the top of the article right now. hbdragon88 (talk) 09:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming 

message: Tfine80 asks for chapter and verse on the Queen's view of Operation El Dorado Canyon. The Sunday Times has been cited—admittedly, no date or page number. But none of the other assertions in this "aftermath" section is properly cited either: why, therefore, make an example of this one?Phase1 22:58, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aftermath 

message: Hey, move it back! !!!! --TheFEARgod (Ч) 22:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please address the points I listed earlier prior to any further attempts at moving. Jkp1187 12:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From military history wikiproject:  Operational codenames generally make poor titles, as the codename gives no indication of when or where the battle took place and only represents one side's planning (potentially causing the article to focus on that side's point of view to the detriment of the other). So US- POV name. Wikipedia means WP:NPOV --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: oh, I forgot, Operation Entebbe was the name given by the world press to the incident. The Israelis gave the name Operation Thunderbolt, so it's worldwide POV and not Israeli as El Dorado Canyon is US-POV --TheFEARgod (Ч) 14:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: note that you have been already been reverted by an administrator and your actions are considered vandalism. Watch out for possible penalties. --TheFEARgod (Ч) 01:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Did not realize that you spoke for the administrators.  As pointed out above, initial changes (i.e., vandalism) were carried out by TheFEARgod.  Are you able to address above points? Jkp1187 04:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming 2 

message: Were those cable transcripts ever released? I don't understand why they have been kept secret for over twenty years unless they give away a secret method to obtain them. Richard Cane 08:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cable transcripts 

message: Perhaps an article should be created and added to the templete box concerning the march 1986 incident where the united states 6th fleet engaged and destroyed several libyan gunboats as well as bombed a radar station?
XavierGreen  —Preceding unsigned comment added by XavierGreen (talk • contribs) 03:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naval Action: 

message: The part about the UN declaration about the indicent says that the attempt to do so went on between 1994 and 2006, but ended in 2005. Er? The linked source provided isn't any use. I couldn't find any sources for this besides what's on wikipedia.
Agamemnus (talk) 06:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN General Assembly Discrepancy 

message: The statement that merely "many nations" condemned the attack is misleading. The attack was condemned by the United Nations General Assembly as resolution 41/38 demonstrates, the Non-Aligned Movement, and virtually every country in Asia and Africa. It is necessary to incorporate the viewpoints of these sides in order to accurately reflect the international response to this incident. Nierva (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "many nations condemned the attack" 

message: The boxed summary on the article page says 15 Libyans were killed.  But Colonel Venkus' book quotes sources in the 35-40 range.  Just FWIW.
B Tillman Jan 26 09  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Btillman (talk • contribs) 17:52, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to the usually reliable (and impartial!) BBC, the number of Libyan casualties exceeded 100 (see ).---PJHaseldine (talk) 20:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libyan casualties 

message: Do you think the paragraph about Dr. Merriman should be there at all or not? Doesn't sound that credible to me but well, removing it should take some consultation. Argymeg (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revelation of warning 

message: It is said that Hanna was adopted by Qadhdhafi. I was wondering if there is any proof of this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.170.8 (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Adopted" 

message: How come it says thats its alleged that 40 people died in Libya, when according to the Infobox, 15 civilians died/. Does this mean that 25 of the Libyan deaths were military? 
Reenem
Al lies a cover story for the botched Bombing raid and the poor performance of the HARM Missile, watch 60 Minutes segment Oct. 1989 a YouTube source "In HARM's Way with Mike Wallace. There were a couple of hundred civilians killed and injured from Errant HARM Missiles. Thank you for your ear and your pstienceQui Tam Relator (talk) 06:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Libyan losses

message: EA 6's landed at Sigonella from the states in support of this mission. Was there.....
Gaddafi had sent a message out to the 6th Fleet stating "Stop your aggression or face total destruction" or words to that effect. I still have a copy of that msg somewhere received by the Italian Command at Sigonella.
In regards to the scuds fired at Lampedusa in retaliation they didn't fall short but went over the base and fell in the bay. HC-4 from Sigonella evacuated all coast guard/civilian personnel from the base and brought them to Sigonella.
Was an interesting tour...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.52.227.206 (talk) 14:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overflight Rights Denied? 

message: Do we know which type of missile shot down the F-111? Drutt (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missile 

message: Hello to the editors and thank you for making Wikipedia a worldwide reliable source on the internet, does anyone know if the two Air Force Captains  that were killed got Their Silver Stars yet? Qui Tam Relator (talk) 22:04, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why would Fernando L. Ribas-Dominicci and Paul F. Lorence be up for the Silver Star? Binksternet (talk) 23:17, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

text: If you know so much about them then your first comment was trolling. Binksternet (talk) 03:47, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

text: I am only interested in published, reliable, verifiable sources about the two aviators. I do not wish to discuss unpublished assertions. This talk page is for improvement of the article, and the article cannot use unpublished material. Binksternet (talk) 17:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silver Stars 

message: Well I guess it depends on what side of the your on. "Operation El Dorado Canyon"  is standing on the technical tactical side of the fense, The April 15,1986 Libya Bombing Raid is if your on the civilian side of the fense as memory date affixed to a thought or event. They equally have weight and validity and historical value. Of course I happen to know alittle bit about this subject matter so I have to exclude myself from giving any biased opinions even as true as they may be. My humble opinion is that Operation El Dorado Canyon be separate from Clarks Complaint. If anyone would bother to read Clarks complaint in 1986 I have to say it's one of his best written and formed complaint he ever wrote. There is a real complaint on the Internet you can read in it's entireity from the desk if Ramsey Clark given to me by his law clerk Jackson. Type into google. Thank you for your ear and patienceQui Tam Relator (talk) 02:33, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello everyone  

message: There are many articles on the Internet about the trial regarding those involved in that bombing and the trial in Germany and I don't see any information regarding this issue as contraversal as this subject matter may be non the less it's important history.Qui Tam Relator (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  There should be more talk on the trial of the La Belle Disco Bombing. 

message: There are many articles on the Internet about the trial regarding those involved in that bombing and the trial in Germany and I don't see any information regarding this issue as contraversal as this subject matter may be non the less it's important history.Qui Tam Relator (talk) 17:19, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  There should be more talk on the trial of the La Belle Disco Bombing. 

message: Hard to say if this is 'true' or not.
Gaddafi is a chronic liar addicted to propaganda so it may well be an outright lie.
On the other hand it may be just a figure of speach. e.g. 'my daughter in the revolution' might perhaps apply to any woman or girl who was killed, or indeed to any living Libyan woman. This week (march 2011) Gaddafi called President Obama his  'brother' so, given that Arabic is prone to flowery language, it may just be that English speakers unwisely take what is really a figure of speach as literal fact.
Translating Arabic into English may pose lots of similar problems and thus lead directly to many misunderstandings - some of which our own western governments and media may in turn use as propaganda. Mistranslation of the enemy's words is commonplace in every conflict.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.18.203 (talk) 11:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daughter Killed? 

message: Clearly, after the recent events, the title "bombing of Libya" and similar is untenable. But, as I was going through references to disambiguate, I saw most references still using the phrase. 1986 bombing of Libya sounds like a more appropriate compromise than the operation codename. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Having said that, the Ouadi Doum air raid was also a 1986 bombing of Libyan territory... but perhaps there is no actual ambiguity, because I couldn't find any ambiguous references in that matter. The incoming redirects now mostly paint a proper picture. Sadly there's still no trivial ready-made way to count parts of Special:Whatlinkshere/Operation El Dorado Canyon output, but it's clear both sets of names are commonly used. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:14, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not just call it Operation El Dorado Canyon. That's the official code name of the operation. Compare with articles on Operation Texas Star, Operation Anaconda, Operation Earnest Will, etc. 203.7.140.3 (talk) 01:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The whole naming of things isn't very clear.  Those operations are titled by the code name, but for example, we have Gulf War instead of Operation Desert Storm (although that's because there are probably a dozen names for the various operations), and Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan (August 1998) instead of Operation Infinite Reach.   The latter title, especially, seems incredibly awkward and overly precise. hbdragon88 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  article title 

message: I can't wait to see how we commemorate the 25th Anniversary this year... Palm_Dogg (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  25th Anniversary 

message: The photo accompanying the article states that President Reagan is consulting with bipartisan Congressional leadership regarding the strike, but gives the date of the photo as March 14, 1986.  The strike was in retaliation for the Berlin discotheque bombing of April 5, 1986, and the strike was presumably not considered before that.  Ergo, the date of March 14 is wrong (perhaps it is April 14?), or the meeting was about something else.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick.mcgeer (talk • contribs) 04:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Congressional Consultation Photo 

message: The photo showing the F-111 taking off is labeled as "taking part in the bombing".  This is false.  I was there.  The planes that took off were loaded down with blue bombs, and fuel tanks.  The F-111 in the photo has no bombs on the wings.  It is clearly taking off on a standard training mission.  I request that the wording be changed.~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.27.172.221 (talk) 15:38, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-111 Photo 

message: The changes have been made after verifying the given sources, for most of the changes, some unverified book has been given which has no other source, for the line "The Libyan government was alleged to have ordered the hijacking of Pan...in a generation"'s source is not working and it's misleading since only this page contains such claim. The other line where it's written "The attack was condemned by many countries.." the citation has been already given in the end of the paragraph. So i think my changes should remain.Clarificationgiven (talk) 14:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:PAYWALL regarding the source, it's not required to be free. You're welcome to take the reliability of the book to WP:RSN, it seems reliable enough to me. 2 lines of K303 14:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, since there's no book seems to be including such information, and if there is, then there's only one source and it is this book only, in other subjects and articles the facts are added by the sense "according to the book :..........." so there's no such thing added in whole article either. Clarificationgiven (talk) 14:58, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This unreliable/made up source has been already disputed in the main page of Gaddafi, i don't think any more explanations are needed, anyone will come and add some made up/unreliable sources then you will treat them as facts? I don't think it should be done.Clarificationgiven (talk) 15:10, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:RSN is over there. 2 lines of K303 15:38, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Sure.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarificationgiven (talk • contribs) 15:45, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Last Edit 

message: I am not a frequent contributer to wikipedia but by accident I stumbled over a piece of evidence that might improve the 'Libyan air defenses'-section of the article, which is flagged as 'in need of citations'. I hope that the following paragraphs are no redundant information and that it might help someone to improve the article, otherwise I am sorry.
The numbers seem to match this account of a soviet airforce Marshall, who investigated the incidence for the soviet side (a synopsis of this analysis for the east german Ministry for State Security (in german) as well as an english translation are available from the parallel history project): http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/collections/colltopic.cfm?lng=en&id=16231&navinfo=15709
There are some other interesting aspects like the suspected use of drones as well as Bullpup MCLOS by the US. Furthermore, the HARM is deemed ineffective and finally it is stated that 10 US planes were destroyed. The anaylsis also includes reasons for the malfunctioning of the lybian AA-network.
To sum up, not all information from this source seems to be reliable but -- with the events unfolding during Cold War -- the report adds a further perspective, which -- given that all other sources are 'US-affiliated' -- might improve the article. 
129.70.85.122 (talk) 08:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for 'Libyan air defenses' 

message: The U.S. sent in an SR-71 to do bomb damage assessments after the strike. The crew said that they saw the outbound F-111s over the Med on their inward track --- and noticed the missing F-111 in the formation. They crossed Qaddafi's  "Line of Death" at over 2,000 mph, collected the intelligence they were seeking then headed for home, outrunning 3 missiles on the way out.
That's a story in itself. Rosattin (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing: SR-71 overflight for bomb damage assessment after the strike 

message: There are two issues with the reference to the F-111 being shot down. Firstly "An autopsy conducted in Spain confirmed that he had drowned after his plane was shot down over the Gulf of Sidra" is inherently false. An autopsy can only confirm that someone drowned, not that "his plane was shot down over the Gulf of Sidra". Secondly, "Libya denies that it held Lorence's body". The statement "However, Lorence's brother said that he and his mother saw television footage of a Libyan holding a white helmet with the name "Lorence"" implies that this is false. However Lorence's helmet may have been recovered - that did not mean that his body had been as well.101.98.74.13 (talk) 01:15, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-111 shot down 

message: According to this email: Qaddafi is quite concerned about the security of his family, telling one senior official that he never recovered from the death of one of his children during the U.S. bombing of Tripoli in April 1986, in retaliation for an ESO attack on US military personnel at a nightclub in Berlin.)
Surely there must be other sources on this, unless it was kept hidden? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that this was Hanna Gaddafi.Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 09:24, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Gaddafi never had an adopted daughter. (81.159.7.121 (talk) 19:21, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Child killed 

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message: The French decision to deny overflight rights set off a fairly major wave of anti-French sentiment in the United States in 1986, with various protests etc... See  etc. AnonMoos (talk) 22:32, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
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message: The rerouting away from France has been negated by some sources, I may offer some references to that in the near future.
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message: You weren’t there 68.4.238.77 (talk) 09:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amazing how someone in India who wasn’t there deletes info and seems to be the topic expert and judge 

message: Should be changed to 'Both sides claim victory' as Libya also claimed victory based on the fact that Qaddafi's compound was bombed, yet he survivedAngele201002 (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  US Military victory?  

message: It's completely ridiculous that this article only mentions a song by an obscure punk band, since there were fairly widespread mainstream expressions of anti-French sentiment in the United States in the aftermath of the Libya raid.  It was pretty much the beginning of modern Francophobia in the United States (as opposed to vague fading stereotypes left over from WW2). AnonMoos (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-French sentiment in the United States (again)