Talk:Oradea

message: What does Carl Ditters von Dittersdorf have to do with Oradea? There's no mention of Oradea on his page.
: from Encyclopedia Britannica: "In 1765 he became director of the orchestra of the bishop of Grosswardein."
: Grosswardein is the German name of Oradea Bogdan | Talk 20:06, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notables 

message: Those Hungarian nicknames are unknown among the new-settler Romanians only ... every primal-oradean/váradi have had heard about them ... --fz22 20:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: These names are historical nicknames and are not widely known in the city at the moment. Even if people from Oradea/Nagyvárad (I use the dual name here because Hungarian is the second official language of the city) recognise these names, this recognition is only historical, and they are not used currently to describe the city. I don't have a problem with promoting the Hungarian cultural heritage of Oradea, since there is a lot of that, and a lot of it is quite beautiful, but Oradea is currently majoritarily populated by Romanians, and thus it is odd to call it "Hungarian Compostela" or any of those other names, particularly since these names are, as the article states, historical literary nicknames used during Hungarian rule. I've moved them to the History section.  Ronline ✉ 11:16, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames of Oradea

message: what does this mean officially? --fz22 10:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It means that the Hungarian language can be used in public administration and in the justice system, that bilingual signs are provided, that the City Hall's publications can also be requested in Hungarian (it publishes its newsletter in both Romanian and Hungarian). Also, public education is provided in Hungarian alongside Romanian (i.e. one can choose to go to a Hungarian-language publicly-funded school, or a Romanian language one; some schools have Romanian and Hungarian sections). In short, Hungarian is co-official to Romanian in the Municipality of Oradea, because the Hungarian minority exceeds 20% of the population.  Ronline ✉ 04:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ronline i think u mistake this "officialy bilingual" for the law that "grants access to ethnic minorities unable to understand romanian to information in relation with the administration" (meaning, a hungarian that doesnt understand romanian living in the city of oradea should be able to identify buildings of administration, public utilities, and request translator in justice". That law doesnt make hungarian official language. the convention about cities in Romania having a name in the hungarian and german language on wikipedia i think takes in consideration the recent history of those cities under authority of Austria-Hungary employing an austrian or hungarian name for that city, that being only a name legacy convention, not based on a suposed "german and hungarian official languages in a city of ROmania" Criztu 15:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Take a look on this: http://www.cjbn.ro/legislatie/lege%20%20nr215%20pe%202001.doc. --fz22 15:47, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: perfect link thnx :
"ART. 90 (2) În unităţile administrativ-teritoriale în care cetăţenii aparţinând unei minorităţi naţionale au o pondere de peste 20% din numărul locuitorilor, în raporturile lor cu autorităţile administraţiei publice locale şi cu aparatul propriu de specialitate aceştia se pot adresa, oral sau în scris, şi în limba lor maternă şi vor primi răspunsul atât în limba română, cât şi în limba maternă.(in administrative-teritorial units where citizens belonging to an national minority form over 20% of the population, in their raports(relations) with public local administration authorities and their specialised apparatuses, are enabled to express, solicitate oraly or in writing in their maternal language also, and are enabled to a respons in both romanian and their language.)  
(4) Autorităţile administraţiei publice locale vor asigura inscripţionarea denumirii localităţilor şi a instituţiilor publice de sub autoritatea lor, precum şi afişarea anunţurilor de interes public şi în limba maternă a cetăţenilor aparţinând minorităţii respective, în condiţiile prevăzute la alin. (2). (local public administration authorities will provide inscriptions for the names of localities and public institutions under their authority, and display public interests announcements in the native language of the citizens of the respective ethnic minority in conditions stated at point (2))
(5) Actele oficiale se întocmesc în mod obligatoriu în limba română (official documents are made in romanian language , mandatory requirement) Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: no paragraph about no city having no name in a language other than romanian language in legal documents. It regards inscriptions on the town entry panels, public buildings and utilities, in the language of the local ethnic minorities next to the romanian names. In official documents regarding that city, its name is written in romanian only. I intend on removing the hungarian name from the Oradea infobox unless evidence of Britannica using such infobox is provided lol. The hungarian name of city Oradea in the lead paragraph i consider a convention regarding name legacy utility (oradea being under austrian hungarian administration in recent history). that is perfectly understandable Criztu 16:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: To be fair, English is the de facto "official" language of the U.S., not de jure. The United States does not have an official language. Olessi 20:37, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated in The Constitution of Romania, Art. 13., "In Romania, the official language is Romanian.". Thus, we can not say that Hungarian is an official language, even if its usage in public administration is granted by the law mentioned in Critzu's comment. The public administration respects the law, but does nothing more; Hungarian is used only where it is strictly necessary as defined by the law. The administration does not tolerate any further usage of the language and, in some cases, it does not even respect the law, as some hospitals, schools and other public institutions do not have their names written in Hungarian. Even the City Council's resolution about bilingual street name plates is not respected. --Everyonesequal (talk) 09:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: The municipality of Oradea is officially bilingual, with the Romanian and Hungarian languages being recognised officially.

message: Where is a chapter about Oradea's history?--Untifler 14:44, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Good question :) I'll revise it later. --fz22 07:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Nagyvárad (Oradea) - Merge in?

message: Oradea is not officialy bilingual, show a law stating such immensity Criztu 09:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Bihor County. While the law does not explicitly use the term "official language" regarding Hungarian, the Municipality is obliged to offer all services in Hungarian alongside Romanian, including education, correspondence, justice system, signage, etc. This amounts to Hungarian being an officially-recognised language of the Municipality of Oradea.  Ronline ✉ 09:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: can u point me to an article of a law stating "Hungarian language is used in official documents of Romania, the name Nagyvarad for Oradea is used in international maps and international documents "? Criztu 11:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Criztu, this isn't about usage in international maps and documents. The Romanian national government will only officially use "Oradea" when referring to the city since Romanian is the only official language at national level. However, we're talking about the Municipality of Oradea here, as a territorial-administrative unit which officially-recognises the Hungarian language and is obliged to provide services in it. "According to the romanian constitution the only official language in romania is romanian": this refers to the national level only. At local level, other languages can also be used, if a certain ethnic group makes up over 20% of the population. Hungarian is in this situation in Oradea, and thus the infobox should reflect the officially-bilingual nature of the city. This usage is not only present in Oradea; see other cities' infoboxes where minorities make up more than 20% of the population: Budeşti, Salonta, Miercurea-Ciuc.  Ronline ✉ 01:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's not official. There are cities in Europe that have officially 2 names . see Bozen-Bolzano, Aoste-Aosta, Donostia-San Sebastián, Abanto y Ciérvana-Abanto Zierbena just to show some examples.  This is not the case for any city, town or village in Romania. Btw all the cities i mentioned have the two names stated in the english version of their site. While the site of Oradea doesn't even have a hungarian version, while oradea is the only nane used in the romanian, english and french versions. So i'll leave only the official (ie romanian) name in the infoboxes of cities of romania. It's not like i want to hide any alternative name, since they're all present in the first sentence of the articles Anonimu 11:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I agree that the minority rights law is somewhat ambiguous in that it doesn't formally recognise official languages and the name is not hyphenated in the same way Basque cities are. But I still believe that since these cities are bilingual in their public administration, this should be reflected in the infobox. I have raised this issue at Wikipedia:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board.  Ronline ✉ 11:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: i am not sure of the exact meaning of public administration. as i understand the law, official documents at local level are written only in Romanian, with the possibility of providing a translation of those documents for personal use to a citizen that belongs to the ethnic minority that forms 20% of the population of that locality. Criztu 16:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oradea is not officialy bilingual, show a law stating such immensity 

message: The data you give are absolutely out of place in this article. It shows the ethnic composition of more than 30 independent settlements, among them Bihar, Mezőtelegd, Biharpüspöki, Kőröstarján etc - but not Nagyvárad. There was no artificial distinction between town and surroundings because these are not suburbs but a lot of distinct villages. There was a clearly defined municipal area which is not the same as the járás. These data about a bunch of far-away villages in the article about Várad is definitely misleading. Zello 10:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Those settlements were not "independent". They were subordinated to Nagyvárad, and they were part of its metropolitan area. In the Kingdom of Hungary cities were artificially separated from its surroundings by this administrative divisions. Just tell me if those settlements were "independent", why they were administered from Nagyvárad? The artificial populations of the cities in the Kingdom of Hungary separated from its surroundings are very well explained in the book named The Habsburg Monarchy 1809-1918 written by A.J.P. Taylor in 1948. The goal of such artificial separation was to create impresion that cities are mainly Hungarian, no matter of completelly different ethnic structure of the surroundings. I wonder would you also delete data about ethnic composition of the sorroundings if Hungarians were majority there instead of Romanians? PANONIAN (talk) 15:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And by the way, your argument that those villages were far-away also does not stand because anybody who check the map could see that they are pretty close to the city: http://www.talmamedia.com/map/hhcounty/images/megyek1/31bihk.gif In another words, the administration of the city proper did not contain a single settlement but a city itself, i.e. its entire surroundings was in the Kozponti Jaras. For comparison, you may see a map of one municipality in modern Serbia where city is not artificially separated from its surroundings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Novi_Sad.png PANONIAN (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is nonsense. Sure even today Oradea is artificaly separated ... you can see a road sign saying slow down to 60km/h ;)))) Simple banter--fz22 20:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Surroundings

message: I've replaced the general cleanup tag with a Refimprove tag because it didn't specify what needed to be cleaned up, and the references were the biggest issue that I noticed as I looked through it; is this agreeable for everyone?  Zujua (talk) 00:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup tag 

message: There appears to be some controversy surrounding the use of 'Nagyvárad' at the top of the table on the right hand side. While the significance of Hungarians in the history of the city is undeniable, I think it is inappropriate to have the Hungarian name displayed as a subtitle in this area. The term is conveniently placed inside the brackets on the very first line, therefore the visibility argument is out of the question.
Speculation: I believe the reason for adding the term as a title, right under the English name for the city comes from the use of Nagyvárad on road signs throughout Oradea, and while people can argue about the appropriateness of this to no end, I don't think it has any relevance as far as Wikipedia guidelines are concerned.
198.39.100.21 (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, thanks for letting me know about the convention, I wasn't aware of it. You don't have to worry about me anymore. 198.39.100.21 (talk) 14:58, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  About the use of 'Nagyvárad' 

message: The German, Hungarian, and, until 1925, Romanian names all mean 'great' Oradea. Is there a 'little' Oradea (várad)? If so, where (googling didn't find it)?122.57.87.11 (talk) 07:11, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Little' Várad? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: A young Romanian woman tried to ignite the Hungarian national flag above the entrance of the regional headquarter of the Democratic Alliance of Hungarians in Romania (RMDSZ) in the Black Eagle Palace. Fortunately, she was not successful because a young man intervened. Video below. It was not the first time, but the police are sluggish The RMDSZ district press bureau of Bihar county said that the Hungarian national flag was once again a victim of barbarous hands from Saturday to Sunday at the headquarters of Bihar county’s RMDSZ organisation in Nagyvárad, Fekete Sas Palota (Black Eagle Palace). This time, they did not break or cut off the Hungarian flag, but somebody tried to light it – reported maszol.ro. The man who intervened filmed with his phone what had happened and put it on youtube. The hater was not caught or punished, but clearly if this would have been a Hungarian attempting to burn a Romanian flag, then this would have been in the state sponsored biased mass media in the usual hysterically anti Hungarian atmosphere that is the norm in modern day Romania. 
Read more at: https://dailynewshungary.com/outrageous-a-girl-tried-to-burn-the-hungarian-flag-in-nagyvarad-oradea-romania-video/ Video can be seen at https://www.facebook.com/watch/?t=22&v=323942148237798  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.45.205.205 (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burning of Hungarian flag in Nagyvárad (Oradea) by Romanian Hungarian hater 

message: The climate data  for this page is exactly the same as the climate data for Bucharest on english Wikipedia.
I didn't correct the data as I could only find the averege highs/lows and precipitation data for Oradea, so if someone knows how to find the other data ( like the extremes, snowy days etc.) please correct it.--Thepinkfluffy1211 (talk) 14:01, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird climate data 

message: Oradea names are described in Names of European cities in different languages (M–P) according to Wikipedia rules.
86.124.157.175 (talk) 07:38, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Which rules? Super Ψ Dro 13:41, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

text: Because it's a capital. Capitals usually don't have names in other languages. Imagine Bucharest having a German, Yiddish or Bulgarian name. Also, Budapest is 96.2% Hungarian, and the next biggest ethnic group (Germans) is only 2%. Oradea is 73.1% Romanian and 24.9% Hungarian, so not a good example. Super Ψ Dro 06:49, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Names of European cities in different languages (M–P)= other names of Oradea 

message: Hello, user 46.193.171.201.
Please stop edit warring, that's not how Wikipedia works; changes should be discussed on talk pages. As I told you, the articles Transylvania and Historical regions of Romania clearly state that Crisana is sometimes considered part of Transylvania, and so is the Banat. You also wrongly claimed that Oradea was historically not part of Transylvania, yet historical facts contradict you again; see map in the infobox of Principality of Transylvania (1570–1711). User Biruitorul had nothing against the Transylvania reference, having even modified it on the Timisoara article to improve it.
I've contacted an admin, he said the Oradea and Timisoara pages will get protected if you don't stop edit warring. Thanks for understanding and have a good Sunday. Best wishes, Lupishor (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit warring