Talk:Li Hongzhang

message: ===Eight?===
Too many names - there are eight! Must we make such a feast about his names? Mandel 22:10, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
:Welcome to China. — LlywelynII 12:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name

message: Too many names - there are eight! Must we make such a feast about his names? Mandel 22:10, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
:Welcome to China. — LlywelynII 12:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Eight?

message: Marquis in Chinese is 侯, not 候。I've changed it to the correct spelling. Telly (talk) 12:02, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Marquis

message: Isn't a name. They're just words. Why aren't we translating them along with "First Degree" and "Marquis"? — LlywelynII 12:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Suyi

message: there is no mention of his role as negotiator here, or of his attempted assasination on 24 march 1895 which resulted in the treaty terms being altered... :-/
--Aep 06:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  treaty of Shimonoseki 

message: it is Li who promoted Yuan Shikai who was a key figure in the political stage in the following two to three decades.
what is needed to add is Li's attitude towards Qing Court and his attitude towards outside world and revolution even though he gained his fame and position through suppressing rebellion; it should be awared that some revolutions in the late stage of Qing is totally different from ones before because they have fundamentally right perception of the constitute of a state.
i have watched "towards the republic", and i think it is a comparably unbiased art work in China.
there are more detail about Li, such as his most often used name is "shaoquan" besides Li Hongzhang.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tunhu (talk • contribs) 
:As you are undoubtedly aware of, Towards the Republic is a work of art and not necessarily a reliable source on Li Hongzhang. If you want to improve the article, you should read a couple of academic works on Li and integrate that into the text.--Niohe 13:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  there should be more about Li. 

message: Is this character Jet Li in the 2007 movie 'The Warlords'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dagvadorj (talk • contribs) 09:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this character Jet Li in the 2007 movie 'The Warlords'? 

message: I memory some rumor ancient that said Li‘s first wife and daughter were killed by Taiping in 1856, then Li very sad and married second wife was Li Maid.Suzhou Massacre POW Incident was took revenge by Li.  Who can evidence this rumor? --User:Hans yulun lai  05:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? — LlywelynII 12:31, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Li‘s wife and daughter  

message: Zeng Guofan(Political teacher),Cheng Xuechi(military teacher),Lai Wenkwok(tough enemy made Li growth), I think Li released Lai Wenkwok at last which very possible. 
--User:Hans yulun lai  05:57, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  3 persons important influence Li 

message: There are many problems in this article in its current state; even basic facts are oddly put or ignored.  Taking Li's relation with Zeng Guofan for example, the article says that following Li's resistance to the Taipings in Anhui, "His service to the imperial cause attracted the attention of Zeng Guofan, the generalissimo in command." But Zeng was a close family friend from much earlier; he tutored Li when Li was preparing for the jinshi examination.  The description of Li's activities during the Taiping rebellion is very unclear, and sometimes questionable. For instance, I can't find any source that says Li was a daotai in Fujian. The paragraph on Li and the Ever-Victorious Army is confused and contradictory, and the story about the execution of the eight Taiping generals is even more of a mess.  In a very unfortunate omission, Li's activities establishing factories, schools, arsenals, and navies over thirty years are completely ignored. Most unbelievable of all, however, is the statement that in 1875 "he introduced a large armed force into the capital and effected a coup d'etat which placed the Guangxu Emperor on the throne under the tutelage of the two dowager empresses."  This event has everything to do with the Empress Dowager Cixi, and nothing to do with Li Hongzhang.  A very mysterious insertion is the paragraph about Ouchtomsky/Ukhtomskii, which is completely undocumented except for a reference to a memoir called "Strategic Victory over the Qing Dynasty." In fact the negotiations over the railway did not involve Ukhtomskii at all, but Sergei Witte, who was one of the main architects of the Trans-Siberian railroad.  A complete rewrite is in order.  It's on my list, but not forlo this week. One possible source for those interested (now quite old but at least documented and accurate as far as the facts are concerned) is the biography by William Hail in Hummel's "Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period."  Rgr09 (talk) 09:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Although further improvement still would be to address the calumny on the guy's name both by the EB (Brits' dislike for his pro-Russian moves) and the Chinese (essentially fall guy/collaborator). — LlywelynII 12:24, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Numerous factual problems 

message: wikisource this biography and link to this article
http://books.google.com/books?id=XXYdAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
Rajmaan (talk) 02:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  biography 

message: According to this page, Li Hongzhang is a brother to Li Hongzao, but on the Li Hongzao page it is claimed that they are not related. Can we get a confirmation on this and make the necessary corrections? Tooironic (talk) 05:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  He is really a brother of [[Li Hongzao]]? 

message: There seems to me to be a serious dearth of citations in the main body of text here. I can't find anything on DuckDuckGo to back up some of the claims made.
Daedalus 96 (talk) 16:08, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO it's best to search Google Books and see if any books confirm things said. Then check the publisher of each book to ensure it is not self-published (as self published books are not admissible as sources in most cases) WhisperToMe (talk) 00:40, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: There is a mixed citation style (see WP:CITEVAR), some using shortened footnotes for books, others not. I intend to move full book citations to the References section & use  for the Notes section. Additionally, some of the citations are incomplete. I will add bibliographic & other parameters. I will probably not do this all at once, but I will return to this as I am able. Peaceray (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modifying citations