Talk:United States Grand Prix

message: Obviously this race is done on the well known track at Indy. But other than the stretch on the one part, who designed the rest? Would be good information to have on this site.
125.63.87.131 21:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US Grand Prix Track designer

message: The text about the US GP at Watkins Glen says the event was held there 1961 through 1980. On the other hand, the table of US GP events says the event was not held 1976-1980. I am almost certain the event was held through 1980 at Watkins Glen. Someone needs to fix this. I do not know how to do so.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.13.91 (talk) 21:40, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: US F1 GP at Watkins Glen

message: According to the historical results on the official F1.com page, it says, that GP in Watkins Glen in years 1976-1980 were named United States Grand Prix East. And Dallas GP and Detroit GP aren't official names of those Grand Prix's. I made a small table of what they were according to the F1.com site:
Year	USGP        	USGPE       	USGPW     	Other
1975	Watkins Glen	Not held    	Not held  	Not held
1976	Not Held    	Watkins Glen	Long Beach	Not Held
1977	Not Held    	Watkins Glen	Long Beach	Not Held
1978	Not Held    	Watkins Glen	Long Beach	Not Held
1979	Not Held    	Watkins Glen	Long Beach	Not Held
1980	Not Held    	Watkins Glen	Long Beach	Not Held
1981	Not Held    	Not Held    	Long Beach	Las Vegas
1982	Not Held    	Detroit     	Long Beach	Las Vegas
1983	Detroit     	Not Held    	Long Beach	Las Vegas
1984	Dallas      	Detroit     	Not Held  	Not Held
1985	Not Held    	Detroit     	Not Held  	Not Held
1986	Not Held    	Detroit     	Not Held  	Not Held
1987	Detroit     	Not Held    	Not Held  	Not Held
1988	Detroit     	Not Held    	Not Held  	Not Held
1989	Phoenix     	Not Held    	Not Held  	Not Held
I know that looks confusing but that just is how they are in the official site. --Canukki33 (talk) 14:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This topic has previously been discussed by the Formula One WikiProject here and here and the current article names reflect the project consensus. DH85868993 (talk) 15:30, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I didn't know it was already discussed. --Canukki33 (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: US GP, USGP East, Dallas GP and Detroit GP

message: The "Other Grands Prix in the United States" section contains the following statement:
:...CART started their own race at the Meadowlands, and titled it the "United States Grand Prix".
The headline of the the supplied reference refers to the race as the "U. S. Grand Prix", but the body of the reference refers to the race as the "U. S. Grand Prix at the Meadowlands". However, Meadowlands Grand Prix#Race winners indicates that the race was called the "Meadowlands Grand Prix". So what was the race actually called? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 00:53, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Sources are mixed.  Most contemporary newspaper sources used U.S. Grand Prix at the Meadowlands, but Champ Car Stats, Ultimate Racing History, and CART's 1985 media guide all say just Meadowlands Grand Prix.  For 1985, news sources and the media guide use U.S. Grand Prix at the Meadowlands, but CCS and URC have Meadowlands United States Grand Prix. Spyder_Monkey (Talk) 00:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If the 1984 was was title U.S. Grand Prix or United States Grand Prix, it should be included, then linked outwards to the Meadowlands race article. Most National Grands Prix have non-F1 races in their histories. Canada, Australia, Singapore, Japan, South Africa, Malaysia, all the European races, even Brazil. It shouldn't be ignored. Mexico might need similar treatment with the Champ car races. --203.161.138.71 (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. That's why I'm trying to work out what the race was actually called. DH85868993 (talk) 06:02, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  1984 CART race at the Meadowlands 

message: Although there are several racing bodies using the term "Grand Prix", this topic should be only for - and wholly include - all Formula One races in The U.S.A.  
This should include ALL results from the years of East and West F1 races, but not of any other classes of Formulas (Indy, IRL, IMSA,...), even if they are termed "Grand Prix" (which really comes down to a marketing term, rather than a determination of racing class).  
Even if you disagree with F1 being the "pinnacle" of motor racing, the term "Grand Prix" was coined for just that determination, as the pinnacle of racing, even long before F1 was organized.  
I was going to update this page to include all F1 info (including the east/west years), BUT don't have much time - especially if there is not a consensus that would allow the info to remain.  
Anyone may contact me with your input (<email address redacted>). I also don't want to step on toes, or get in an "editing match" over added information.  
It would be great if anyone with more time could help. -TA  
:Thanks for discussing your proposal on the talk page before just going ahead and making the changes. I would oppose restricting this article to F1 events only, on the basis that it would then be inconsistent with the other "<Country> Grand Prix" articles, which cover the entire history of the race, including non-F1 events (see Australian Grand Prix, German Grand Prix as examples). I would also oppose including the US GP West information in this page; the current arrangement of articles is the result of numerous prior discussions, e.g. here and here. The "Other Grands Prix in the United States (1976-1988)" section of the article describes the rather bewildering array of "Grand Prix" races held in the USA during that period, with links to United States Grand Prix West, etc. DH85868993 (talk) 02:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you will find very few would agree with this viewpoint. In fact most would find it factually incorrect. Formula One and Grand prix are not interchangeable terms. Some Grands Prix pre-date the Formula One world championship by over 30 years, The French by about 50 years. These races are called United States Grand Prix or Australian Grand Prix or Italian Grand Prix, not Belgian Formula One Only Grand Prix. Wikipedia should be education in nature, not restrictive. --Falcadore (talk) 07:00, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed changes

message: I don't understand why it is said that from 82 to 88 the US Grand Prix was not held. Check: 1 and 2. Thanks. MarcosPassos (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Winners tables in this article are lists of winners of the event called the "United States Grand Prix". From 1982 to 1988 there was no event called the "United States Grand Prix". As explained in the "Other Grands Prix in the United States (1976–1988)" section, there were other Grand Prix races held in the United States during that period (including the Detroit Grand Prix), but there was no race explicitly called the "United States Grand Prix". DH85868993 (talk) 08:05, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the difference between the United States Grand Prix and a grand prix in the United States. The two are not the same. --Falcadore (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  82-88 not held? 

message: I noticed that the official name of the 1980 United States Grand Prix is the XXIII Toyota United States Grand Prix and the official name of the 1989 United States Grand Prix is the XXVI Iceberg United States Grand Prix. What happened to XXIV and XXV? TheEarth1974 (talk) 18:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: From looking at a few of the "YYYY United States Grand Prix" articles, as far as I can see the "roman numeral names" are all unsourced and possibly original research. And in some cases they contradict they article text, e.g. the lead for 1990 United States Grand Prix says "It was the 32nd United States Grand Prix since the American Grand Prize was first held in 1908, and the 25th under Formula One regulations since the first United States Grand Prix was held at Sebring, Florida in 1959." - so why does the infobox say XXVII (27th)? I'd recommend removing the "roman numeral names" from the US GP race articles from at least 1989 onwards. DH85868993 (talk) 00:14, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

text: P.S. It's possible that the two Caesars Palace Grands Prix held in 1981 and 1982 were being counted as XXIV and XXV. But it's also possible that whoever  entered the "official name" for the 1989 race just mistyped "XXIV" as "XXVI". I still think the best solution is to just remove the "roman numeral names" from at least 1989 onwards, unless we have evidence that these were indeed the "official names". DH85868993 (talk) 01:03, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confused