Talk:Shoshin

message: Hello - the ref is for "... and Japanese martial arts." and in French -.Shoshin sur Encyclopédie technique, historique, biographique et culturelle des arts martiaux, 2004. Maybe you find it in English too. Best--Maxim Pouska (talk) 11:17, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  ref for ... and Japanese martial arts. 

message: :I'm more of a fan of the ALT1 DYK, but perhaps with a different source? I couldn't find anything about the reliability of Psyche/AEON on WP:RSP but a "how to" article, especially as the source for the definition of Shoshin, kind of rubs me the wrong way. That may just be me though! JungleEntity (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Did you know nomination

message: As it stands, this page has a heavy bias towards Japan, despite the precise term in question originating in China. Before being used in a Buddhist context, the term meant 'original intention' and was then likely used to translate a Sanskrit term, at least as early as Chinese translations of the Yogācārabhūmi-Śāstra. Unfortunately this Japanese bias is very common on wikipedia - partly a result of a general bias towards Japanese Buddhism in English language sources - but if this page is going to be nominated then more work should be done to correct it here. Retinalsummer (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you provide specifics or sources, because as written this complaint of bias is too vague for me to address. Do you have these Chinese sources? Can you at least state what the Chinese term even is? Why not make the improvements yourself? I would be more than happy to expand the article with additional information, but I'd have to know what that information at least is before I could do so. - Aoidh (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The Chinese term is chūxīn 初心. See the entry for 初心 in the Digital Dictionary of Buddhism for the claim about Chinese translations of the Yogācārabhūmi-Śāstra. At the moment, the article lacks sources that provide a scholarly overview of the concept, which is probably where a lot of the problems are coming from (the only works cited in the "History" section are popular articles and translations of Japanese primary sources). Making the improvements myself would require me to look for scholarly sources and then read them, which I don't really have the time for at the moment. My comment above was not a complaint, I was merely pointing out to other editors an issue I saw with the article. Retinalsummer (talk) 16:19, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  I apologize if my use of the word complaint was objectionable, I am used to using the term in a more legal setting where the word complaint has a more formal and neutral meaning where something is objectionable or otherwise not up to standard and requires addressing. I didn't consider any usage that implied a negative meaning and that absolutely was not my intention. Thank you for letting me know what the word is in Chinese; given that Dōgen appears to be the one who introduced or popularized its usage in Japan it absolutely tracks that it's a term borrowed from China. I'll look into that at some point and see what I can find, and if you come across any sources I'd be happy to take a look at them as well. - Aoidh (talk) 20:32, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese bias