Talk:Kyiv Pechersk Lavra

message: Reportedly houses the remains of Ilya Muromets.  Does anyone have a reference for this? -- Sy / (talk) 21:11, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I've been there and saw the remains. Who knows if it's really his remains? the look is quite unimpressive - was he a small man? Ilya K 20:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ilya Muromets

message: Since it is a CAVE monastery, the total absence of the caves from the article is misleading.  I realize that a separate article on the caves is planned for the future, but meanwhile, it's a stump. --dunnhaupt 14:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem with cases like this is that its an article that has to have about 50 or so redirects, because of the different variations. Do help to create them, but for me I think Pechersk Lavra are the key terms. --Kuban Cossack 14:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Caves

message: Ladies and Gentlemen, let's expand this article? Project of the month? --Irpen 23:24, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for it! There is a lot we can do... and IMO it should have been done a long time ago. I'll try and start on the Pechersk caves sometime during the week, although I may not have enough time... —dima/s-ko/ 03:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Added a section on museum exposition. -asmadeus 23:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expand

message: Please see a proposed cleanup of the currently bulky navigation box in :Template_talk:Pechersk_Lavra. -asmadeus 23:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Pechersk Lavra Template cleanup

message: I just visited the site and it seems all (only in) Russian. Did I mis a link? — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Official website in English, Russian and Ukrainian?

message: There are quite a while pictures in the article how it looks now. Should we replace one of them with this pic? I would say it replaces the tirth from the bottom one. Mariah-Yulia (talk) 18:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting pic

message: Taivo keeps deleting the Ukrainian transliteration of the name, Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, even though it is the official spelling used by the Ukrainian government and major Ukrainian news agencies. 
http://www.rada.gov.ua/ukraine.htm
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/city/detail/69789/
He has stated that he doesn't even speak Ukrainian, and then goes on to make arguments about the proper Ukrainian transliteration. He has also stated that he automatically deletes Kyiv anytime he sees it and replaces it with Kiev, so he is obviously biased in his approach.
Sanya3 (talk) 08:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't a referendum on whether to use "Kiev" or "Kyiv".  This is a simple issue of correct transliteration.  Since you have now provided a reference that uses an incorrect transliteration of Києво as an "official" spelling, then the reference takes precedence over accuracy.  --Taivo (talk) 14:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

text: This is English Wikipedia, so we use the form used in English.  Sometimes this produces results inconsistent with the native usage.  We call the former nation on the Pyrenees Pamplona, even though that is the Castilian name form and not the native one, Iruña.  We refer to the capitol of Russia as Moscow even though a native transliteration would be Moskvá. etc.  Kiev came to be the name used in English for that place, so that is what we use.  If there comes a time when Kyiv is the predominant form used in English that is when we switch.  And then there is the issue of consistency: if a change is to be made, it should be made first and foremost on the page Kiev.  There the change you have suggested has been proposed almost a dozen separate times, and every time the move has failed to generate a consensus, most recently this July.  This page should call the city what English Wikipedia calls the city on its specific page, and there is no consensus for change. Agricolae (talk) 02:58, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Both Russian and Ukrainian transliteration should be used

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message: Side by side comparison of the two infoboxes	Side by side comparison of the two infoboxes
Geobox Building                             	Infobox building
                                            	
There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 November 8#Template:Geobox/type/building about whether the template used in the infobox of this article should be deleted.
In my opinion the Geobox|Building template has produced a better result than the Infobox building. Toddy1 (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: much of the same here as with Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev. For transparency I'm going to include the same feedback here. 
*I currently don't have the Government or Leader values listed in the new version because I'm not really sure what they represent. Who is leader here? Is (s)he the Archbishop? The Bishop? The Provost, Dean, etc. Leader is vaugue, lets figure out exactly who they are and then put that name under the proper parameter (see 
* Same thing goes for Government. I don't think Government really applied here. That parameter is on Geobox from when it was used for settlements. I don't feel that this has any significance on a church. 
* The "area" measurement doesn't really work here. The area of what? The whole church? The grounds? The floor area?  has . If we can confirm an area measurement that is the floor area, then it should be included, but area in general was never intended for a structure. Area is for a geographical region. (Again this is one of the many issues with  and why it is going away). 
* Landmarks was intentionally removed. This isn't information that belongs in the infobox (another one of the many reasons Geobox is going away). 
* Lastly some of the dates have been removed. The way the dates are laid out in the Geobox is rather confusing anyway. Take a look at . There are a number of supported dates in the infobox. Any other dates belong not in the infobox, but in the article itself. I'm not saying that the information is irrelevant to the article! Just that it doesn't belong in the infobox.
If you could look this over and give your feedback that would be great! Please  me in your response to make sure I see it. Thanks! --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 04:56, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks.  I will consider this (and the infobox on the other article) on Sunday/Monday.  Kiev Pechersk Lavra is a collection of buildings and has a courtyard in the centre - I think that is why the old infobox quoted the area. I assume that you have not been there. Toddy1 (talk) 10:40, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I absolutely have NOT been there, no. lol. But to be honest, that isn't really relevant here. The infobox should reflect the global consensus for information displayed, not just what those who have visited it think should be shown. That being said, as a local (I'm guessing??) you definitely have some insight that will be important here. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 17:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  any update here? Been a week since you reverted the edit. I've tried to address all your concerns but haven't really heard anything back. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 23:43, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am going ahead and implementing the change. Been trying for a week to work with you and no response. If you have additional concerns, feel free to post them here. Obviously more information can be added to the infobox if there is stuff missing.  is deprecated for buildings so there is no reason to keep it here. --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Choice of infobox template 

message: There is an edit conflict concerning this revision., which concerns a wikilink to Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) and mention of Onufriy (Berezovsky).
 Please can you provide citations to reliable sources to back up what you say.  I could not see how the citation provided by Eduardogobi backed up his version - perhaps it was the wrong page. Toddy1 (talk) 06:37, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear  you're indeed correct, the citation did not clarify who is the “Metropolitan of Kiev and All Ukraine” mentioned. Therefore, another citation from the Lavra has been added to the article. Thank you. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 14:20, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit conflict over a wikilink to Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) and mention of Onufriy (Berezovsky)