Talk:UEFA Champions League 2006-07/Archive 1

message: The ranking at the end of the season 05/06 determines the number of teams in 06/07 domestic championships qualifying for the 07/08 European season. The points Romanian teams made this season only apply to the season after the next. For the 06/07 European season, following ranking applies:
Two places in the CL group stage, two in the third round of the qualification, two in the UEFA-Cup (plus the cup winner):
1 	Spain
2 	England
3 	Italy
2 (CL group stage), 1 (CL qualification), 2 (UEFA Cup first round):
4 	France
5 	Germany
6 	Portugal
1 (CL group stage), 1 (CL qualification), 3 (UEFA Cup first round):
7 	Netherlands
8 	Greece
1 (CL group stage), 1 (CL qualification), 1 (UEFA Cup first round):
9 	Belgium
10 	Scotland
2 (CL qualification), 1 (UEFA Cup):
11 	Turkey
12 	Czech Republic
13 	Russia
14 	Austria
15 	Ukraine
1 (CL qualification), 2 (UEFA Cup):
16 	Israel
17 	Serbia-Montenegro
18 	Poland 
19 	Switzerland
20 	Norway 
21 	Bulgaria
22 	Croatia
1 (CL qualification), 1 (UEFA Cup):
23 	Denmark
24 	Hungary
25 	Romania
26 	Sweden
27 	Slovakia
28 	Slovenia
29 	Cyprus
30 	Bosnia-Herzegovina
31 	Latvia
32 	Finland
33 	Moldova
34 	Georgia
35 	Lithuania
36 	Iceland
37 	Macedonia
38 	Ireland
39 	Belarus 	
40 	Liechtenstein 	
41 	Armenia 	
42 	Malta 	
43 	Albania 	
44 	Estonia 	
45 	Northern Ireland 	
46 	Wales
47 	Luxembourg
48 	Azerbaijan
49 	Faroe Islands
50 	Kazakhstan
51 	San Marino 	
52 	Andorra
--> http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html
According to this breakdown, the 05/06 Romanian champion is not qualified for the CL group stage. I've made some changes there.(134.226.1.136 12:19, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Country coefficients for the next season 

message: According to kassiesa.com/friends/ricardo/ecl0506/cl0607.htm Hearts will start in the 2nd qualifying round. kalaha 13:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hearts 

message: Also according to , if the Champions League titleholders come from a team that already qualifies for group stages, the #10 nation (Scotland)'s champion gets the final group play spot.
Thus, if Barcelona wins the Champions League, Celtic will get that last spot, as Barcelong has already qualified for the group stages (as Spanish champion).
If Arsenal wins the Champions League, Celtic will start in the 3rd qualification round because Arsenal will take the titleholder spot (they otherwise would qualify for the third qualification round.)
Wjmorris3 17:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Celtic and the group stages 

message: To whoever added in Shakhtar Donetsk as Ukraine champions, according to uefa.com if yesterday's match between Shakhtar and Kiev ended in a draw (it did, 2-2), they will have a one match playoff this weekend to determine the champions. JoelCFC25 12:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukrainian championship 

message: Due to the huge scandal that hammered Serie A (and the four teams involved in UCL, especially "my" Juventus -_-), I'd wait before adding Italian teams. I'm Italian and proud to be that, and I feel sorry for "the world's best championship" to collapse under money and greed. --Frank87 18:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandal! 

message: Why are the seeding tables provisional? The club's coefficents is "ready", and on, at least two, websites, can you the seedings. kalaha 12:55, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't know what the groups are yet. Kingjeff 17:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I talk about the qual.rounds. kalaha 18:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, these sites are by no means official, and they make some assumptions (like "seeded team always wins") to build their tables that are called crystal-balling here. However, I was a little hasty to remove the seedings because the seeding didn't depend on match results at all. Conscious 18:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, no...  When the draw for 3rd qual.round are made, only the first 2nd qual.round leg has been played. If it is the team with a minor coefficiens who go futher, you can say that they takes the better team's coefficiens. Therefore the principe with best team wins is correct, just not in the group stage (for one or another reason). kalaha 19:05, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seeding tables 

message: Let's delete the empty tables for GS. They clutter the page strongly (only TOC is 3 screens long!) and add absolutely no information. Conscious 15:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and removed them.  To the person that added them - your edits were not for naught. We can just add them back from the history when the time comes to fill them. - Pal 01:59, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: There is no need to have empty tables for two months. They add nothing to the article. If anything there should be a sentence stating that the group stage consists of eight groups of four, lettered A-H. - Pal 03:37, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not just comment them out for the time being? -- Arwel (talk) 14:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That would work, too. Though it appears Kingjeff insists on having the empty tables displayed. - Pal 15:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: FWIW, I prefer tables format of UEFA Champions League 2005-06. Conscious 17:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

text: With an attitude like that, you'll find a lot of other people watching your edits. -- Robster2001 02:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Please note that you've already broken WP:3RR. Don't edit war, nobody seems to agree with you. And read WP:V and WP:DR to learn the difference between vandalism and editorial dispute. Conscious 14:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yes you did. But you can't stop people from that. Conscious 17:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: You really need to read the various WikiPedia documents you've been referred to.  Your actions indicate that you don't understand how WikiPedia works. -- Robster2001 12:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I will comment on anything I want.  Including the fact that you still don't get WikiPedia, despite all the time you appear to have spent here. -- Robster2001 12:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  72 headers 

message: Flags of Serbian participants have been changed back and forth (SCG<->SER) several times. The motivation of both sides is obvious: Serbian sides qualified through Serbia and Motenegro league, but they (will) represent Serbia. Further complication is that UEFA site displays them as SCG, but Serbia and Montenegro does not exist as a single state. I'm inviting everyone to discuss it.
My personal opinion is that we should display the flag of the country being represented (for example, points collected by Serbian teams will count towards Serbia's UEFA coefficient). There is also a precedent: on the page UEFA Champions League 1992-93, Russian flag is displayed for CSKA Moscow (they qualified as 1991 Soviet champions). Conscious 15:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree, based on the precedent set by FIFA itself in the current World Cup. The team in question continued to represent Serbia and Montenegro (SCG) even after Montenegro declared independence. Additionally, even though they were still referred to as SCG, any points they received (towards rankings, seedings, etc.) would only count for the team that represents Serbia in the future. - Pal 17:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But FIFA gives teams for 2005/06 season, and we're discussing 2006/07. Conscious 17:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, but UEFA still refers to them as representing SCG (see CL). The teams in the UEFA Cup and the Intertoto Cup are also listed as such. Maybe UEFA is simply listing them as SCG because the federations haven't officially split yet (it happens tomorrow), but until UEFA starts printing SER instead of SCG I suggest we refrain from making the switch. - Pal 19:34, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose they're rather waiting until they've decided on a country code, and they're likely waiting with that until ISO finally proclaims the new codes for Serbia and Montenegro. —Nightstallion (?) 13:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbia and Montenegro 

message: I see we have an interesting situation where FIFA has suspended the Greek federation from all international competition because of alleged government interference in the running of the sport. I don't know what the deadline will be for sorting out the mess if Greek teams are to participate in the CL and UEFA Cup, but Greece's first qualification match for Euro 2008 is in only about 6 weeks' time, so somebody had better pull their finger out! -- Arwel (talk) 15:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Greece

message: Will Maccabi Haifa be allowed to host in Israel?
I've seen in Israeli websites that UEFA considers if the Israeli teams should play the games in Israel due the "war" Israel-Lebanon (well, it's not a real war, but in the European communication it looks like a war) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.178.166.150 (talk • contribs) 
We'll have to wait and see. Right now, if we put anything in the article, it would be crystal balling. I would use UEFA's official website for any news about this. Kingjeff 17:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maccabi Haifa