Talk:Western concert flute

message: It is impossible to play a flute while dressed as a colonial american because that makes your flute a fife. I think the video should be removed or put on the "fife" article
--XXxJediKnightxXx (talk) 05:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur with the above, it's clearly a fife. Andrewpetergoss (talk) 05:17, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flute or Fife?

message: I don't consider Robert Dick a jazz flutist; rather, a modernist (post-modernist?) classical flautist who uses extended techniques. Speaking of which, there used to be a list of classical flutists, probably in the "flute" article. What happened to it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.202.113.114 (talk • contribs) .
: Are you maybe thinking of the list at Flautist? --Craig Stuntz 12:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: List of flautists

message: However well-intentioned, the material contained within this section pushes the boundaries of NPOV and original research. Many players have a strong view on how the instrument should be played, but there is no consensus. Any advice for students on vibrato, etc. is misplaced -  see WP:NOT. If it belongs anywhere, it's somewhere like wikibooks. Parts are brutally oversimplified, for example, even among musicians where there is a broad consensus of what constitutes a good tone, there are as many "correct" embouchures as there are types of lips: . 
Other parts are liable to confuse a reader: "All things being equal, a breathy sound is preferable to a pinched sound, but an efficient approach to air stream direction is best."
And parts are simply "off the wall" like the section on outdoor marching!
In all, I think that this section needs to have a chainsaw taken to it. –– Pathlessdesert 17:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Playing a Western Concert Flute

message: It seams like the first two paragraphs under the heading "description" actually belong under the heading "Playing a Western Concert Flute". I thought that this should be agreed upon, before any decisions were made. J Hill 13:12, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving text 

message: This article failed the GA noms due to lack of inline citations. Tarret 21:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed GA

message: Alto flute redirects here, but there is no information of note on them in this article. Adam Cuerden talk 21:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Alto flute]]

message: This article contains only three citations.. Consider adding more; article quality looks very good! Firsfron of Ronchester 02:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The new references added to this article appear to be the same web-site. Although many references were added, they all come from the same source material. I would have liked to have seen different sources used. While the overall quality of the article is good, at this time, I do not believe the citations used satisfy the criteria laid out at WP:GA. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about?  There are like 12 citations and also books listed... Another thing, only facts that need citations need citations... (if you get what I mean). Cbrown1023 05:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As I said, the new references added to this article appear to be the same web-site, listed 10 times. Although many references were added, they all come from the same source material. I wouldn't call the same source cited over and over a good example of citation. You are free to find another opinion, but I personally could not in good faith pass this article, as I do not feel that three in-line citations (because that's what it is: three web-sites) is "enough" for an article of this length. Firsfron of Ronchester 06:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article candidacy

message: The page move from "Western concert flute" to "Flute (Western concert)" was very bad and I don't see that it was discussed here first. The new title is horribly cumbersome. Badagnani 03:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it's been awkward-seeming to me too, so I moved it back. Stan 03:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move 

message: As the IMSLP is temporarily down, I am adding the missing info here. When it goes back up, it should be put back into the article:
*Access to IMSLP 12 collections of 1000 free downloadable flute/recorder solos, with historical notes
♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 18:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IMSLP link 

message: As a flute player, I always thought the flute could not play under the grave C. The article says it can go down to grave B. Am I wrong, and in case I am, I would be interested in learning the key combination.
Ppchailley (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Some flutes have a B extension. Not sure how new the development is (I'd like to know more myself!), but it's new enough and unstandard enough that one is only likely to find it in 'contemporary' works, and stuff like jazz performances where there's no written standard. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 15:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Yes, some flutes do have a B extension. Some music pieces that include the flute have some low B notes. I don't know anymore reasons why the flute can have a B extension.chessmate92 (talk) 16:32, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Playing range down to B or C?

message: A fatal flaw in this article is the misuse of 
"Western concert flute".  There is much confusion about this term.
In the history of European flutes, concert flute is the
term used to describe the standard size flute, the flute
in C, the (or a) flute at concert pitch (i.e., not transposing).
So a proper use of the term is, for example, in
"I have a piccolo, an alto flute and a concert flute".
The article inaccurately uses "concert flute" to mean the
"modern flute", which is more properly called the Boehm flute,
or Boehm system flute.  It is the members of the Boehm
flute family that are listed about half way down the
article, not the "concert flute family".
The term concert flute was and is still (accurately)
used to mean a standard size flute of any system, not 
just the Boehm system. 
Rickwik (talk) 02:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are right, and you are wrong. The title of this article has been contentious for some time now, and I agree that "concert flute" can refer to what the Italians term the flauto grande. But you are wrong that this article is about the Boehm flute only. I suggest you read the article first, before making such a claim.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 05:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion about "concert" flute 

message: I removed a lot of material - POV, how-to, off-topic stuff that can be found in links to other articles, and some unsourced stuff that read more like a middle-school book report than an encyclopedia article.  This article could use a lot more trimming. I have no desire to offend other editors' sensibilities - just being bold in starting that process. - Special-T (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed a lot 

message: The article mentions in many places, directly and indirectly, the move from making flutes of wood to making them of metal, with a remark that this is an "innovation".
I know absolutely nothing at all about western wind instruments, or any (non-percussion) instrument made of metal.  Would it be appropriate to say in the article why this change occurred, and/or what benefits it had?  It's not at all obvious to me that metal is a better material than wood for a Western concert flute, or even after I'm told this fact, to come up with the reason it might be better.
The article does briefly mention flutes made out of modern composite materials, which almost suggests to me that durability could be a concern, yet every western flute player I've seen has a hard case, and most of the non-western flute players I've known with wooden flutes have "soft" cases, and if durability was the deciding factor for the material used to make flutes, I would have expected the opposite from their cases.  :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.11.50 (talk) 06:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wood v metal? 

message: The article seems to contain a contradiction about the pros and cons of offset G versus in-line G. Are there any definitive references out there as to the relative manufacturing costs? I can see why in-line G might use less material (one less rod) but it looks a lot more complex to me. You have to put the functionality of the short rod into the main rod somehow. Thoughts? (Some random Google search results: Discussion http://www.8notes.com/f/25_166891.asp This one seems quite good http://www.miyazawa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=33&Itemid=61 and it has nice clear drawings comparing the two) Woz2 (talk) 12:49, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Offset G versus In-line G 

message: I have noticed at music school concerts one or two small children playing what appears to be a C flute, but with the curved head of the alto.  Am I mistaken, or is it possible to either marry an alto head to a C body, or else to purchase curved heads for a normal flute?  If indeed a C flute can be played with a curved head, then perhaps the main article should mention it. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 13:17, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Head Joint 

message: Hello, sorry I am very bad by using the pc and wikipedia, but I have something interesting about its history. If you want, you can add it.
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The transverse flute was played in Italy and Europe ever since the Etruscan and Roman times. You can find a representation of transverse flute in the cinerarium of Volumni, IInd century BCE; on the coin of Cesarea Paneas of 169 AD; in the Faun statue kept in the Museum of Rome; in the Roman fresco of Magdalensberg, in Tyrol. Other Roman representations of transverse flute of the 1st century AD can be found in the Domus Aurea in Rome.
Source: "Il flauto traverso storia, tecnica, acustica" by Gianni Lazzari, Emilio Galante, EDT, I manuali EDT/SIdM (Publishing House), page 5.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.20.86.101 (talk) 19:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This material might find a home in the more general article Flute. Since the present article focuses primarily on European flutes from the Baroque period to the present time, it is probably sufficient to mention generally that there were flutes in Europe before the 17th century, and let it go at that. Besides, as the broader article notes, by the time the Etruscans came along, the flute already had a very long history in Europe.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 21:34, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Before Middle-Ages 

message: The 2 adjacent sections on Boehm seem contradictory. The first says the Boehm system was not popular until about 40 years after its invention. The next section says it was immediately popular. Wlexxx (talk) 18:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps in geological terms, forty years is scarcely worth mentioning? I have marked the contradiction in the text. Well spotted, and thank you for bringing this up!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boehm - popular at first or not? 

message: Was there not a general industry-wide change in the scale (Deveaux, Cooper) in the 70s or 80s?  I don't know enough to add info to the article, but I'm sure someone else does (and has refs).  Seems like a pretty important thing to include. Special-T (talk) 17:47, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scale change in the 80s? 

message: I am suprised that this version of Subcontrabass flute contains so many promotional stuff. I highly suspect someone added Jelle Hogenhuis to five flute articles for promotional reasons. All minor flute type (flute articles excluding piccolo, alto and bass flute) article does not contain enough reference. Another example: "New solo and chamber music is being composed almost every day for contrabass flute", I highly doubt is that really true. If we can't fix that many, I suggest we request for deletion for those articles. 
Sorry for the bad grammar. QiuLiming1 (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No, the articles won't be deleted on the basis of promotional material or poorly sourced information, especially considering that the instruments are highly notable. Why not help improve those pages? Why? I Ask (talk) 20:44, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Why? I Ask Ok, but is subcontrabass flute really highly notable? QiuLiming1 (talk) 05:05, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a quick Google Books or Scholar search reveals many mentions. Why? I Ask (talk) 17:02, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Sorry I don't know the history of flutes so well, I could only stubify those pages but not improving, that's why I ask for help on the talk page. QiuLiming1 (talk) 05:07, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Many flute articles are poorly sourced and promotional