Talk:Cryptid

message: There's an ongoing discussion regarding the state of this article and its satellites over at the fringe theories noticeboard: "A Long-Term Wikipedia Problem: Wikipedia as a Cryptozoology's Pokémon Database.
Consensus seems to be to simply merge it with cryptozoology. Currently the article has zero reliable sources—they're entirely pro-cryptozoology primary sources written by cryptozoologists, no matter how the descriptions of the authors dance around this fact. The term cryptid is also restricted to cryptozoology. This article appears to exist solely to further promote cryptozoology on Wikipedia with its self-designation.
We've long had an issue with cryptozoologists revert-warring to have their way on promoting this pseudoscience on Wikipedia and this has to end if our coverage is getting any better. As a result, if you're a cryptozoologist, now is a good time to reconsider your goals here. If you want to assist in building solid and neutral coverage of the pseudoscience, you're welcome. if you want to use these articles as a forum to promote your pet pseudoscience, you need to go elsewhere. :bloodofox: (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article has been around for 9 years. No one can just wily-nily remove it by page blanking without extensive discussion here. That's ridiculous and vandalism to do so. Sure it can be edited and tweaked... but removal, no. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Look who wants to chat after violating WP:3RR. This article has seen far too many cryptozoologists revert-warring for it over the years. It doesn't have a single reliable secondary references (they're all pro-cryptozoology) pieces. But, of course, you know this, and your primary interest here is promotion. Enough is enough. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The proper venue for this discussion is WP:AFD. clpo13(talk) 21:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this still count if we're looking to make a redirect? :bloodofox: (talk) 21:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You've vandalized and blanked the page 3 or 4x already. You simply cannot do that to a 9 year old article that you yourself have contributed to. Could this content all be merged in it's entirety into another article...possibly it could. Possibly it might retain only 80% of it's content and be merged. But that require discussion here to see if others agree that this article must be removed. You can't just revert things 4x and blank the article 3x with no discussion with those who have worked on the article.... that's blatant vandalism. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

text:  Yes, the process may be called "Articles for Deletion", but redirection is a common outcome (see Wikipedia:Deletion process#Common outcomes). Of course, a redirect can be WP:BOLDly made (as it was here), but if the redirect is challenged, then consensus can be found at AFD, per WP:BLANKANDREDIRECT. clpo13(talk) 21:32, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, thanks. I've left a comment on the talk page there to get some feedback. :bloodofox: (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to Cryptozoology 

message: So, while we figure out what is going to happen to this mess, let's take a look at one of the claims made here. One of the regular pro-cryptozoologist editors around this article has attempted to claim that the term is now "main-stream" and used outside of cryptozoologist. Notably, it's totally ignored by folklorists, and, as another user put it on another article:
::"It has entered main-stream usage." and "a dictionary term that is perfectly acceptable"? Oxford, Webster, Collins but Cambridge, Chambers, Longman, Macmillan, Britannica. Well there is a blip on the radar but... Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, you're bold-faced lies really do get tiresome. I'm not even sure what pro-cryptozoologist means. No one said it has entered every source of every book. But the term has entered some, it is certainly used by sources other than cryptobiologists, and that is important and it is sourced. You've reverted it 5x now... are you going to try for 6 with all these open discussions? Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cute. I changed the paragraph, as the next edit shows. And you restored it. How many reverts for you has this 24 hours seen exactly? :bloodofox: (talk) 22:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A couple less than you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

text: By the way, for anyone watching this as it develops, none of the three sources provide a reference for the claim that "The terminology has also entered modern lexicon outside of the pseudosciences." The provided sources are as follows: , , and . From this we're supposed to extrapolate some kind of linguistic development—classic WP:OR and WP:SYNTH and the classic approach used by cryptozoologists and their proponents on these articles. :bloodofox: (talk) 22:52, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I never said the sentence was perfect and if others can tweak it to show that "some" perfectly sound sources do use the term outside the playground of the cryptozoologists, I have no issues with that. To say that it is only used by cryptozoologists is wrong. Ping all those who have worked on this article and see if they also want it to be deleted or merged. Make a merge request. Do something other than page blanking and 6 reverts and get editors talking and discussing here at its talk page. That's what we do at wikipedia. Maybe it'll be a giant snowball to merge and redirect, and I'm fine with that. But to blank the page contents right out of the gate is wrong. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: At this point I'm pretty sure that your goal here is simple obstruction. As is clear, this article and those related to it are under discussion in a variety of forums. You seem well aware that your revert contains problematic material and remain perfectly fine with it. :bloodofox: (talk) 01:07, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool down, stop being so damn hostile, and other editors might be willing to work with you.74.70.146.1 (talk) 02:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  False Claims Regarding ''Cryptid'' Usage 

message: Currently this article redirects to list of cryptids. This follows a merge discussion that occurred in 2016 (see discussion above). However, since then, the cryptozoology article has seen significant development, and now includes a robust section discussing the development of the term cryptid and its application (in short, the term was coined by cryptozoologists as a reflection of the pseudoscience's approach). Everything but the list itself and Eberhart's proposed classification scheme are included at cryptozoology and with more detail and context. List of cryptids also refers readers to cryptozoology for more information. So, should we redirect this page to cryptozoology?
* Yes, as nominator. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the comparison to cat isn't a good one. Unlike cat, this term was coined by cryptozoologists (after cryptozoology), and is only used by cryptozoologists and in cryptozoology-influenced material. It's not used by, say, academic zoologists or folklorists, and it's obscure to the general public. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. I'll open discussion at RfD. I'll link to that discussion thread when it's open. Thank you to those who have taken a look at this so far. :bloodofox: (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: , , ; Thank you for your patience — I've opened the discussion here. :bloodofox: (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to change redirect from [[list of cryptids]] to [[cryptozoology]] 

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replies: text: I would say this is not a copyright violation since it has been synthesized down from the original a great deal. It can certainly be re-written and I can take a stab at it in my own words if needs be. But at least this is a fair debate on the merits of inclusion rather than a backdoor attempt to delete. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: As you're well aware, discussion about this has been ongoing at Talk:List_of_cryptids#Eberhart's_classification. There three users called for it to be removed from list of cryptids, and so in protest you restored this content fork against the article's own talk page consensus, citing a non-existent policy about never deleting material merged form a page. This is simple, classic, and juvenile disruption. :bloodofox: (talk) 00:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: So you come over here to continue your bullying ways instead of being constructive. Nice job. Fyunck(click) (talk) 00:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright problem removed