Talk:Promise Keepers

message: Section removed which appears to be an acknowledged copyright infringement. jimfbleak
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Wow!  This is a really good advertisement for Promise Keepers.  (Mental note: need to expand on and NPOV this article.  Please stand by.)  --MTR (严加华) 05:40, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Where's the stuff about the Promise Keepers-event where a hotel saw a 600% increase in porn rentals during their conference? I'm trying to find out whether it's true or not, so if anybody can help me out I'd be thankful. Mastgrr 22:30, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hotel room rentals

message: I had the pleasure of attending several Promise Keepers events in the 1990s.  My first was 1994 Indianapolis, where the dome sold out 62,500 seats, the largest at that time.  It was the most amazing event of my life to that point.  The singing was incredible, especially the hymn "Holy, Holy, Holy", and the speakers were right on target for issues that the average man was dealing with in his daily life.  Also amazing was how all of us were fed box lunches in surounding parking lots in just 90 minutes; each lunch was half a chicken...that's over 30,000 chickens eaten in an hour and a half!  
The greatest event in the 1990s had to be Stand in the Gap, the prayer meeting on the Washington Mall.  I was there sitting on the north slope of the Washington Monument watching one of 11 jumbotrons.  During the time there was singing and praying for our families and nation.  Imagine if you will the sight of hundreds of thousands of men on their knees or laying prostrate on the lawn, many with tears of repentance in their eyes.  It is a time I can never forget.  
All in all, I attended six stadium events and the Washington Mall event and have been changed because of my involvement during that critical time in my life.  I now have an eight year old son whom I hope to take to a Promise Keepers event in the next few years, with the goal that he will grow up to be a man who will keep his promises.
Larry Quicksall--216.176.81.47 02:05, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Witnessing History 

message: Thanks to whoever created this page! -- Promisekeeper2005 23:30, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Good page.

message: "After more months of prayer, 72 men came together at Boulder Valley Christian Church in Boulder to organize"
This paragraph holds no information. please rephrase. When did 72 men come together at Boulder Valley? 
Instead of "After more months of prayer ...", I'd wish for "On [date] ..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by  87.78.113.17 (talk) 21:12, July 17, 2006
Given that Promise Keepers is a men's movement, are there really people who criticise it's exclusion of women? Really? DJ Clayworth 17:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible. There are people who criticise the Boy Scouts for excluding girls. I suppose the best counter is to demand boys be allowed to join the Girl Scouts.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.67.93.133 (talk) 06:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Weasel Words

message: This article seems to have had most of the substantial criticisms discarded, despite that fact that the Books and Other reference sections cite numerous critical books and aricles. I have tagged this entry for POV. It is basically one-sided.--Cberlet 03:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: POV

message: What I find interesting is what actually upsets woman regarding PK.  It would appear that it is only the areas around PK encouraging woman to submit.  Now whilst I am actually yet to hear a PK speaker say that, and regardless if they do as my wife is a free thinking individual who is encouraged by me to be her own woman, I find it disappointing to see that the woman who are so against PK cannot see past this one issue and look at the good the orginisation is doing around the world.  It's a little like me seeing the word lesbian on the National Organization for Women website and go away thinking that all the readers are big fat ugly shemales who can't get a man so go for second best, not that I do think that.  Come on, us Christians are forever told to get an open mind, how about taking a little of your own medicine.
203.89.184.91 07:00, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, why can't they get over it? All they're being asked to do is give up their personal freedom and be treated as less than a human being by a man who thinks God justifies his actions! Come on, ladies! GET OVER IT! --70.178.212.159 (talk) 13:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Oh, also, the lesbian thing was also ignorant and rude of you. It would be like someone saying "I saw the word 'Christian' on the Promise Keepers website and all I left with was the impression that they were misogynistic assholes who use their beliefs for their own personal benefit and never for the good of the community. The kinds of people who will fight wars and sign off on the murder of women and children if it's in the name of their God or patriotism. Not that I believe that, or anything." You see what I'm getting at here? --70.178.212.159 (talk) 13:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the point was that feminists seem to do exactly what you say here, assume that as an organization aimed largely at Christian men it's got to be full of misogynistic, power-crazed bigots who are trying to return women to their "proper place" inferior to men.  This would indeed be similar to the assumption he suggested.  He wasn't saying that that's how he saw them, just that that's the negative stereotypes associated with them.  On a separate point, I'd like to see if there are any responses to criticisms and accusations, as I'm sure they've talked about public opinion.  I'm not part of PK, but as I've understood it's largely about trying to become worthy as men.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.169.2 (talk) 18:09, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: No problems here

message: It seems to me the core of the group is it's rallies. I am pretty sure, it is neither a lobbying group or another political organization. Therefore there should be more information on what happens at the rallies. I went to one, and there was a variety speakers, who spoke on several themes, how to be a good husband, how to be a good father, and how to be a good son. There was also worship and a concert by a band composed of father and sons. really the purpose is to make men better, not improve men's place in society. Their exclusion of women could be seen as similar to the exclusion of CEOs as a convention for plumbers. Rds865 (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think people are objecting to the exclusion of women in club membership. I think they are talking about how the organization wants women to be submissive to their husbands and views that sort of relationship as ideal.--70.178.212.159 (talk) 13:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: rallies

message: This entry seems fine to me and in alignment with my search on Promise Keepers (which I am not). I have heard of PKs, but could not answer when my wife asked what it was. As an encyclopedia, this entry does a nice job. Are there arguments on scandals and doctrine, sure but that is not what PK seems to be about. Those types of arguments belong in articles not reference materials IMO. Similarly, descriptive text of Christianity should not seek to debate denominational doctrine.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.203.223.219 (talk) 01:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the big deal? 

message: There should maybe be information on inclusion of Roman Catholics within Promise Keepers, since this has apparently been controversial among Protestant fundamentalists.  It has also been addressed within the USCCB, which urges caution on the matter. . ADM (talk) 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ecumenism

message: There should be a list of notable or famous Promise Keepers (celebrities, etc) in this article.
:Sure, go ahead and add one, but you have to use reliable sources where the individuals identify as Promise Keepers, and they should already have articles to show that they are notable by our criteria. Dougweller (talk) 11:09, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous Promise Keepers