Talk:Radziwiłł family

message: Tytul "ksiaze" byl im przyznany przez Rzplita (jak w przypadku Czartoryskich), czy tylko nadany przez Cesarstwo?--Emax 19:40, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: See The Princely Houses of Poland.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 16:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Książę

message: I was not able to find such a word in a few English dictionaries that were available to me at the moment. The suggestion is not to use it, as not existent in English language.
The problems about the word are:
#Not existant in English language.
#Szlachta or Šlėkta (lithuanian) is understood in Lithuania more as an offensive word to describe a degenerated person which due to some reason shows arogance as if he was noble. Both words didikas (lith. noble) and šlėkta are sometimes used in the same sentence as if reffering to two different things. Thus lithuanians reading an article a) might get insulted by someone calling a "lithuanian" noble šlėkta b) might get inadequate overall picture of personality, due to incorrect associations.
#Pro-Polish POV. Existing in almost all the articles written or edited by polish users. Extensive application of polish names, definitions, place-names is used, intentionally or incidentally (which I believe less and less as I read the articles and discussions here), to form an opinion in readers mind that an object of an article is (only) Polish related, while it is not true.--UmR 06:12:04, 2005-08-29 (UTC)
: I initially opposed the usage of the term, but I got convinced to some extent. Firstly, the phenomenon of szlachta, that is the Polish gentry as they are sometimes referred to in English sources, is pretty much unique, both in terms of their numbers, culture, beliefs and so on.As such, the word is entering usage in English language as calling them gentry would suggest some similarity to the British gentry, which would be misleading. 
: We have no influence over various connotations of words in different languages. Nor I believe we should use it as a criterion for choosing names of articles. 
: Well, in this very context the Polish perspective is most surely the correct one. While the family traced its roots to Ruthenian boyars of the Grand Duchy, its history in the last several hundred years is primarily associated with Poland rather than Republic of Lithuania. The situation here is pretty much the same as with, say, British royal house. They are of German descent, yet the article on them describes them from the British perspective rather than German. It seems simply the most logical solution. //Halibutt 11:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  i'm absolutely sure, that every time you call "Radziwill The Black" "Polish", he turns around in the grave. You should study more his works and writings - let me put it in a polite way: he did'n like Poland at all.--Lokyz 10:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Szlachta

message: I think the intro of the article (before the first section comes) should be shorter and many too detailed points should find theur way in later parts of the article.
Further, I think that because the article actualy tells as much, even more, what they were than what they are, it should also say it. Somehow this gives an impression that they are powerful in today Poland. Is it true, I mean, are they truly powerful in today Poland? Shilkanni 21:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly this needs a proper WP:LEAD and a copyedit. Please don't hesitate to be bold and improve it; editing articles is much more useful then moving them.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 02:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Structuration 

message: Can anyone confirm that Anthony Radziwill is indeed a descendant of this family? yugobrandon 07:31, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anthony Radziwill 

message: There is an early Radzwill line
that is lost in time ?
And this later line down to today ...
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=maclaren&id=I71108
What about including the painter Franz Radziwill (1895-1983) in the list of descendants?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.212.192.189 (talk) 17:36, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radziwill Descents

message: What is the Radziwill Kennedy connection ?
Jackie Kennedy's sister married a Radziwill ?
Connected to this line ?
This may be late, but the question has gone unanswered and perhaps an answer may clarify some questions other persons may have. Jackie Kennedy's sister, Caroline Lee Bouvier, married Stanisław Albrecht Radziwiłł. They had two children: Anthony and Anna Christina. Jakto (talk) 00:35, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radziwill Kennedy? 

message: Evidence for Radvilas as an alternate EN-language name for this family can be found using this Google book search:  - hence restoring it. Novickas (talk) 12:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By the same token, could you go to Vilnius and note that Wilno is an English name (per this)? Seriously, Radziwiłł is ~10 times as popular as Radvilas... ()... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  13:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: alternate name

message: Could the editor who inserted the sentence "The family has produced many outstanding politicians, military commanders, clergymen, cultural benefactors and entrepreneurs who left a significant mark on Lithuanian, Belarusian, Polish and general European history and culture" check whether it was copied from this source  "The family has produced many outstanding politicians, military commanders, clergymen, cultural benefactors and entrepreneurs who left a significant mark on the Polish and Lithuanian history and culture") or vice versa. The website asserts copyright (Published: 25/02/2001 (c) Peter Paul Bajer). Thanks, Novickas (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't rewriting those sentences be quicker then discussing them here? It took me 10 seconds to correct this copyvio :) Anyway, this sentence was copyvio, (c) from at least to 2000: . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk  18:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you, while you're at it, revise the sentences in Janusz Radziwiłł (1579–1620) that were also taken from this source? 
Source: Janusz expanded the already immense family fortune through his first marriage to Zofia Olelkowicz Slucka, who, at her deathbed in 1612, left him a huge estate, including seven castles and some thirty-two villages. 
Article: Radziwiłł expanded the already immense Radziwiłł family fortune through his first marriage to Zofia Olelkowicz Słucka on 1 October 1600, who, at her deathbed in 1612, left him a large estate, including seven castles and palaces and some thirty-two villages.
Source: Just like his father, Janusz I took part in a military campaign against Swedes in Livonia.
Article: Just like his father, Radziwiłł took part in a military campaign against Sweden in Livonia. Novickas (talk) 18:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible copyvio

message: The big list of family members might benefit from the use of Template:familytree, and being trimmed down to notable members. Jakto (talk) 22:01, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Family tree 

message: Would anyone consider making an audio file on the various languages' pronunciation of the family name? Jakto (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio file 

message: Lizdeika legend should be mentioned as he was named as a founder of their family.
It is believed, that this legendary part of their genealogy was created by the order of Radziwill/Radvilas themselves.
Also, etymology of the name Lizdeika should be explained. --Žemėpatis (talk) 23:10, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lizdeika 

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message: Who is the current or last heads of the Radziwiłł Reichsfürst-Lines? Oasorgard (talk) 10:06, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current heads of Reichsfürst-Lines? 

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