Talk:Karay-a language

message: I believe this is a dialect of Ilonggo. (Need to research)--Jondel 10:05, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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message: A section on the difference with Hiligaynon would be good since they are so similar and almost indiscernible from each other.--Jondel 06:25, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that would be good - but they are not indiscernible from each other. Kinaray-a and Hiligaynon are from different language groups. Kinaray-a is closer to Aklanon than to Hiligaynon. --Chris S. 12:02, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison with Hiligaynon

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text: I am in support of the Kinaray-a Wiki since I am a Karay-a myself. The concerns in the discussion here, however, need to be thoroughly thought of. --emanlerona 13:38, 21 March 2006
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thread_title: Kinaray-a Test Wikipedia

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message: I have to ask this: the iraya-ilawud-ilig explanation for the roots of Kinaray-a and Hiligaynon seems sensible. But has there really been a comprehensive and definitive study done about this? Just recently, I came to a realization that the shift from iraya to Karay-a or Kinaray-a seems to evade a sensibe explanation. Iraya to iniraya would be very natural in terms of construction, but not one speaker of the language calls the language that, although Ilonggo scholars like Mulato, Norada, and Deriada claim that Iniraya/Hiniraya are also used. Is there anyone here who knows that someone (an insider) really uses this term? Also, the glottal stop in the word also seems to escape some explanation. Does anyone know any other Kinaray-a word that has undergone the same transformation? *iraya -> iray-a? If there is none, then I suggest that we begin to doubt the scientificity of this explanation. --emanlerona 13:38, 21 March 2006
:Until this days, hiniraya/kiniray-a is still being studied together with hiligaynon/ilonggo since both dialects shares a lot in vocabulary(about 95%)and is speculated as the subdialect of the latter. As of hiniraya, it is intrigued like hiligaynon for its spelling since it has at least three to four inflected forms the people would commonly use(e.g. karay-a, kinaray-a, kiniray-a, hiniraya). HOwever, having the knowledge of inflections of Visayan language would likely get oneself questioning. with the root word "Iraya"(Ilaya, hiligaynon counterpart) which means 'mountain', plus "hin" or sometimes "In" affix(or sometimes an infix)which when inflected to a word would result one such a modifying word. However, since the Hiniraya shares different stressing from Hiligaynon, the "hin" as an affix would turn into "kin". thus, in books especially dictionaries, "hin" version of HIligaynon is rather being used.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Likum (talk • contribs) 11:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Kinaray-a Etymology

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If there's a standard for Kinaray-a spelling, I believe it needs improvement, as the 26-letter Roman alphabet just won't do.
Anyway, regarding the book mentioned in this article...
One will NEVER hear "BOkid" in Panay - it's "BUkid". It's the same with "kaOna" - it's "Ka-Una"... "POro" should be spelled "PUro" or "PUru"... but if the quote is from the book... well I guess it's just the deficiencies of the Roman alphabet, which is why I propose the use of IPA.
I am not a linguist, but the use of the 26-letter alphabet is simply insufficient - and people unfamiliar with the language will surely get the pronunciation wrong. For example there's a schwa vowel sound that's often spelled with a "u" - which is wrong if you think about it, because there's also a "u" sound in kinaray-a that sounds like a short "oo" - as in BUkid.
Let's at least start with the schwa (Ə, ə) - not that's not an anime emoticon - it's the capital and lower-case schwa (^^). This schwa sound is similar to the Japanese one - "Goju" is pronounced GO JƏ - so it should be GO JƏ RLYƏ not GO YOU RYOO (the Japanese "R" is actually something like "RL" with a "D" somewhere in the "RL" sound; the word commonly spelled as "jujitsu"/"jujutsu", is actually pronounced JəJƏTsə - NOT jooJITsoo. I typed the previous sentence because the words are better-known worldwide for those who aren't familiar with Kinaray-a
Anyway, back to Kinaray-a, particularly the vowels. How about the following?
A
E
I
O
U
Ə'''
All are phonetic and pronounced as they are spelled. Think of them as Spanish vowels (except for the schwa). The "O" sound is uncommon - mostly used only in other Filipino (particularly Tagalog), derived, and foreign words. In the Western visayas, most words spelled with an "o" are usually pronounced as "u" / short "oo", and "e" as "i" / short "ee", which is why when most Visayans say English words like "West", you'll hear "WIST"... similar to the New Zealanders - except that they have a longer vowel - like "WEEST".
Let's try to create a standard for the spelling. I will try to get my relatives and friends to contribute here as well.
Sedotes (talk) 01:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kinaray-a Spelling & Pronunciation 

message: I don't know much about Kinaray-a so I might be wrong, but shouldn't this article be titled simply "Kinaray-a" instead, or "Karay-a/Hiraya language"? As far as I know, the infix -in already indicates that the word it's inserted to pertains to a language, making the current title somewhat redundant.
What do you think? --Pare Mo (talk) 10:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Question. @, @ Why is it that this particular Visayan language is called or titled in WP in the local manner (with the infix in) when all the rest of our Visayan language articles have titles that are "language-neutral"? For example, we don't call Waray language by its local name Winaray. The same goes for Cebuano language (not Sinugbuanon), Boholano language (not Binol-anon), Masbateño language (not Minasbate), Onhan language (not Inonhan), etc. I understand it follows Visayan word structure but do we really (as non-Visayans) have to know or follow all this? Ilocanos call their language Iluko, but we just know it as Ilocano language. --RioHondo (talk) 04:37, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Response. @, it's not necessary to use the endonym to all Philippine languages or specifically those in the Visayan branches. It's just that out of practice, Kinaray-a became the more commonly-used name for the language in both local and foreign academic discourse disregarding whether you're Visayan or not. Notice that the likes of Hiligaynon and Aklanon, with the -non/-on inflection, are endonymic and also the formal and scholarly names of the languages. --Pansitkanton (talk) 05:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the native forms for Hiligaynon and Aklanon languages follow standard language naming convention in that those language names are identical with their ethnonyms as with all other Philippine languages, where Hiligaynon or Aklanon may refer to both the language (Hiligaynon language/Aklanon language) and speakers of the language (Hiligaynon people/Aklanon people), just like Waray (Waray language/Waray people), Cebuano (Cebuano language/Cebuano people), Butuanon (Butuanon language/Butuanon people), Porohanon (Porohanon language/Porohanon people) and even non-Visayan language-people like Kapampangan (Kapampangan language/Kapampangan people) and Tagalog (Tagalog language/Tagalog people). It appears then that Kinaray-a language is a deviation from this language name standard in that the language is called differently from its ethnic group speakers (Karay-a people), a first for Philippine language articles. As per wiki practice (see WP:NCLANG), we use a common (base/root) title for the language and people based on the native term when the names involve different prefixes or are otherwise not transparently related, with redirects placed at their native terms. (E.g, Tswana language and Tswana people with redirects from Setswana, the native language name and Batswana, the native ethnonym.) Even Akeanon and Inakeanon language redirect to Aklanon language so that it follows the standard naming convention for pairs of languages and ethnic groups (at Aklanon). Can you name one Philippine language/ethnic group where you have two different names for their language and themselves?--RioHondo (talk) 06:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: My point of contention does not revolve around the language name and whether it takes the ethnonym. I am fully aware of WP's "general" practice regarding that matter. I am only asking if it is possible to consider the widely-used terminology of the language irrespective of what the ethnic name of its speakers is. This is to maintain uniformity with naming conventions used by established linguistic research institutes. As for another Philippine language, you have Chavacano spoken by the Zamboangueño people. Malayalam is spoken by the Malayali people. Same goes for Kinyarwanda spoken by the Hutu, Tutsi people of Rwanda and Burundi. Burmese is spoken by the Bamar people --Pansitkanton (talk) 07:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Chavacano is a Spanish Creole language spoken by multiple ethnicities. Apart from the Zamboangueño people, it is also spoken by Caviteño / Ternateño people, Sama-Bajau peoples, Subanon people, Yakan people, and other ethnicities in the Zamboanga Peninsula and parts of Sulu Archipelago including Basilan where it has become the lingua franca. (i.e, there is no such thing as Chavacano people nor Filipino Spanish creole people.) I can't comment on other countries languages for now though, will have to study them first. As for Kinaray-a, there is such a thing here called WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, and you have my support for making it the primary redirect to the Karay-a language.--RioHondo (talk) 07:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Kinaray-a language only directs to Karay-a language article and already is a primary redirect. I rest my case. I'm simply splitting hairs and asking for something to be done just because I think it can be done. Karay-a it is, then. --Pansitkanton (talk) 16:16, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Agree, this should have gone through proper RM discussion.--RioHondo (talk) 06:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Apologies for not bringing this topic on the talk page prior to requesting a move.--Pansitkanton (talk) 07:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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