Talk:Mothers' movement

message: :Copied from WP:RD/H for processing. --Ghirla-трёп- 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

message: http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=1865
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Agnes Waters did not lead a group of women but gained prominence as a self-appointed ultraconservative spokeswoman.  Waters, who had campaigned for women's suffrage, served as secretary of the National Women's Party, and had registered as a Democrat, oddly metamorphosed into a rapid anti-Roosevelt commentator, openly protesting the immigration of European refugee children, conscription, and Lend-Lease.
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So Agnes Waters was not the leader of anything in the anti-interventionist movement. You have to wonder- why then does she figure so prominently in the book on which this article is based.    —Preceding unsigned comment added by Falange (talk • contribs) 23:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Agnes Waters

message: The article refers to the Mother's Movement as "an alliance of leftwing groups." Being that they were anti-communist, anti-Roosevelt, and pro-Nazi isn't it hard to say there  leftwing? I would change it, but perhaps someone knows something that I don't that would make these groups "leftwing."
ChipMD (talk) 15:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This seems to have been a provocation by 69.86.204.215, keen to assimilate the Mothers' Movement to Code Pink (an assimilation which I imagine members of Code Pink would reject!) "Left-wing" is also a characterization that members of the Mothers' Movement would have rejected. So I'm reverting to the earlier "right-wing". Dsp13 (talk) 21:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left-wing groups? 

message: I've tagged the article as NPOV. Its neither neutral nor is it a history of the political movement of that name. These are the issues that need to be fixed.
1) The introduction "anti-World War II, pro-Nazi, anti-Communist, anti-Roosevelt and anti-Semitic groups" is an overt political characterization which is inaccurate and untrue. Its too sweeping and too political for an introduction. The article needs a neutral description of the movement.
2) "Unlike other non-interventionist groups, this alliance of far right groups did not disperse after the United States entered World War II, and became even more vocal." - Overt political conclusion with no support provided.
3) "harangued senators" - Overtly political characterization. 
4) "When Adolf Hitler declared war on the United States in 1941 during World War II, several groups began to rally against the United States joining the war." - The use of Hitler in the statement is an attempt to infer that the group are nazis. The statement is not accurate in that these same groups opposed American entry into the war before 1941. 
5) "small minority" and "far right women" are both non-neutral political characterizations. 
6) "This anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi group was made up of many organizations in different states" - overtly non-neutral and political.
7) "The members of these groups were very diverse in age, religion, class, and education, but the leaders were mainly white, middle-aged college-educated Christians from the upper middle-class." - The statement is unsupported and contradicts itself. They are diverse but not diverse. 
8) "The leaders most likely learned their organizing experience from women's clubs, political parties or movements led by men." - The suggestion is made here (with source) that women are incapable of organizing or operating a movement unless they have been taught by men. Even with citation, the statement would seem unacceptable.
9) The overview of the Great Sedition Trial of 1944 is wildly inaccurate. It does not even bother to mention the outcome of the trial. It boils down the charges to "Nazism, racism, anti-Semitism and anti-communism" which is not even close to accurate.
10) "The Mother's Movement failed to accomplish its main goal of averting the social change they feared most" Overtly political. Makes a political conclusion about the movement not based on facts. The statement suggests the ideas of a "main goal", "social change" and "fear" without any supporting material. These are overtly political conclusions.
11) "The leaders of the movement mostly dispersed into different paths and most of them lost the distinction they once had during the 1930s and 1940s." It would be more accurate to say that movement ended with the end of the war. The statement about lost the distinction they once had is overtly political. The reference to the 1930s is not carried through in the rest of the article.
70.234.194.115 (talk) 02:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I made some edits which fixed many of the NPOV issues with the article. --darolew (talk) 02:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

text: I would note that 7, if it were supported, would not contradict itself. It's easily possibly for a groups membership to be diverse but for the leadership not to be. Actually this happens quite a lot. Nil Einne (talk) 17:22, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blatent neutrality problems in the article