Talk:Mike Rann

message: The introduction of this article is far too long.  LibStar (talk) 09:48, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  seriously the introduction is far too long and you don't need a long list of "achievements " . Look at intro of other long serving Australian premiers Bob Carr, Peter Beattie , Anna Bligh , Jeff Kennett, Richard Court , Neville Wran. LibStar (talk) 15:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  eminently suitable? And uncited pov statements such as "Rann was often the most popular Premier in the country, with his approach to government generally moderate and crisis-free." Which unless you can provide citations should be removed under WP:BURDEN and WP:POV. I have given comparable Australian examples which simply choose to ignore. LibStar (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, eminently suitable. For the cites, I already said, you'll find them at Rann Government. You particularly might be surprised, but what you quoted is a direct quote itself! Go to that article if you want the cites. I've already said this here. You're clearly just trying to put articles of your political opposites in to disrepute which I won't tolerate, all your attempts will be futile. Finally, the comparable examples are Don Dunstan and Thomas Playford IV (READ AGAIN - FEATURED ARTICLES!) as those articles are of similar length so provide a guide for similar lead length. The longer the article the longer the lead. You claim i'm ignoring your examples. I'm actually ignoring you. It's very clear you have no idea what you're on about but you don't plan to let that stop you attempting to trash another article. Just give up. Everyone is happy with the article. Timeshift (talk) 16:29, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

text:  an editor does not need to seek permission on a talk page to add citation tag. That's unless some one owns the article. LibStar (talk) 16:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: You know where the reference is, i've told you repeatedly. But you don't care about looking at Rann Government, you only care about adding cite needed tags to throw the article in to disrepute. As it's clear you are only here to cause trouble, I take no issue to removing your attempts to trash the article with cite needed tags when you already know where the cite is. Just give up, particularly when you know you're wrong. When you're wrong you cannot win. Timeshift (talk) 16:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

text:  The statement "Rann was often the most popular Premier in the country, with his approach to government generally moderate and crisis-free" I specifically question is sourced from this https://books.google.com.au/books?id=QqtinbjO0oEC&pg=PA565&dq=mike+rann&sig=ACfU3U1NETsoUm2qUe6bQNrl3_hVT3RyeQ&hl=en 
. It is still a pov statement  and the sources does not appear to fully back the claim. Readers should not have to rely on other articles for sources of unsourced Articles in one article. Aggressive accusations of "you're wrong " just demonstrate deep WP:OWN. LibStar (talk) 16:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I was just taking your word for it (silly me). Sentence "During Rann's first and second terms, Rann was often the most popular Premier in the country, with his approach to government generally moderate and crisis-free" is already cited at Mike Rann! You were attempting to claim that content in the lead also requires citation. If you stopped throwing around irrelevant WP:WIKILAWYERING and spent some time learning how wikipedia works, you might actually learn something useful - like that an article lead does not require any citations at all as long as they are repeated in the article body with a citation there. In a perfect article, as this article is closer to than most, the lead also makes up part of the article body with the lead kept free of citations. Notice how the same applies at Don Dunstan and Thomas Playford IV? Again, they are both featured articles so if any article is correct, they are the ones to look at. Read up on what a featured article goes through before it gets the title. Perhaps you can do some helpful reading now so you can actually be of use as a knowledgeable editor in future? Lastly (thanks to edit conflict) a citation doesn't require the text to be provided to you online for it to be valid, the text can be in a book only available in hard copy. It is still just as valid. How can you have been a wikipedia editor for 9 years and not know this bread and butter stuff? There must be a lot of articles out there you've been incorrectly altering. Seriously, just go away before you embarrass yourself further, if thats possible. Timeshift (talk) 16:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

text:  by the way your comments have a reverse effect only motivate me to stay up late and examine this article further.  Thanks LibStar (talk) 16:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: So now we also have a clear admission that you're just being POINTy. I've provided more than enough evidence here to cease wasting any more time on this talk page. I'll be reverting your changes and making no further comment here until another user or two, or administrator, comes along and sorts you out. So tired of this type of pointless activity on wikipedia. I only leave good faith at the door on rare occasions, and each time I continue to be proven right. Timeshift (talk) 16:56, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

text:  your aggression continues "sort you out" I suggest you remain civil otherwise you'll embarrass yourself further.LibStar (talk) 17:00, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: intro 

message: There is no citation in this article or Rann Government that the state government provided funding  or instigated the upgrade for the airport. But Timeshift will not allow anything to be questioned.  LibStar (talk) 16:46, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  why hasn't the Rann Government expert answered this? I'm surprised the owner of this article has not explained why this claim has no citation. If there is no reply I will remove this claim under WP:BURDEN. LibStar (talk) 09:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've discussed this change, there is no citation for this here and in the Rann Government article. the South Australian government did not fund the redevelopment. insisting of inclusion of this is putting falsehood in article. LibStar (talk) 03:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Adelaide airport 

message: Because all edits must be pretty screened by amother editor. The article implies the Rann Government introduced this festival. It started in 1960 and should be rewritten as the Rann Government increased funding to it. Normally anyone can make this change directly but the article is currently vigorously guarded. LibStar (talk) 17:04, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Adelaide Festival of Arts 

message: The Rann Government did not introduce  Adelaide Festival of Ideas. This was in 99 under Premier Olsen.  But again no one is allowed to question or edit the article right now. LibStar (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  as stated above, my edit was to correct this error in article. LibStar (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: another error in article

message: Again not introduced by the Rann Government. I would have changed the wording myself and put in citation  of involvement of Rann Government but currently only one editor is permitted to edit article. LibStar (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: [[World of Music, Arts and Dance]]

message: The Clem Macintyre quote comes from a now deadlink citation. My own searches now finds only WP mirrors.  An actual citation is needed . If I find one I'm not allowed to include it due to the desires of another editor. LibStar (talk) 17:23, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: A news article only needs to be referenced, the contents do not need to be readily available online to be a valid citation. But i'm pulling up the link without issue, though there is a 30-60 second delay. Refer to my contributions above regarding only one editor - you. But kudos for you feeling compelled enough to actually change from fly-by cn tags, to something that resembles research. Maybe i'm not completely banging my head against a brick wall after all? Timeshift (talk) 17:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  why aren't you responding to my other concerns? It is compulsory to obtain your permission to make edits.  LibStar (talk) 07:06, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: possible link rot

message: Statement is actually not specifically cited here (not permitted) but also neither in Rann Government. I actually found a reference but since I've been told several times rudely to go away and not contribute to this article ... LibStar (talk) 17:36, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: lowered unemployment 

message: Not cited here nor in Rann Government where I was told I could anything not cited here. Rather embarrassing.  LibStar (talk) 17:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  there is no citation here, could Timeshift please provide citation or it should be removed under WP:BURDEN. LibStar (talk) 05:13, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: "increasing Aboriginal employment " claim

message: Adelaide airport remains grounded: 7:30 report ABC 31 Jan 2006 - there were delays which the state government was criticised for, why would it be Rann and not Howard being criticised if it wasn't a state-based project and/or a state responsibility? It was built by a private company however the state government contributed a $12m loan. This googling took me barely one minute, and I found a source indicating state government funding and state government criticism of delays. In anyone elses language, the airport should be part of the list. Now I just did this to make a point, if the biggest one you two could comment was this, well the reference proves you need to put just a little effort in. It's not hard, but i'm not going to play LibStar's games. Try and put some effort in please. Timeshift (talk) 05:35, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I would remind you both that you agreed to disengage and of WP:AGF. I have been involved in this topic for less than 2 hours and so have not had as long as you to become familiar with the sources. That said, the source you provide makes no mention of who provided the funding for the airport. It even calls the glory of the expansion reflected glory. If you are going to provide citations please make sure they contain the claims wikipedia is making. SPACKlick (talk) 05:40, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Then you should not be adding CNs without googling properly for references first. That reference I found in less than a minute. There were other references regarding the state Labor government's (Rann's) $12m funding too, and also joint-funded studies conducted between the govt and the contractor. But you'd know this if you googled. So yes, you haven't been involved in this long, so please cease the CNs and do more googling. You chose to get involved and everything that came along with it, so please, no offence, but don't half-arse it now. You committed yourself so now you should invest the time to find references you feel are needed. I was going to disengage but I couldn't let the no airport ref myth keep going, so now you provided an example which i've found a ref for, surely you can keep doing the same. I am now disengaging for at least a few hours, maybe longer depending on the quality and effort of the progress made. Please try. Timeshift (talk) 05:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:   Provide them or they don't exist. I have googled. I found nothing relevant. I spent significant time googling for a reference for the festival issue, found nothing justifying the claim as written, added the tag. The airport, I've spent less time on but the reference you've provided still doesn't support the claim so it will require more time, I haven't added a tag as I haven't spent time on it. You talk about these refs as if you know they exist. If you can find them, point to them otherwise stop assuming other editors are failing to do the basic work of a wikipedia editor. Engage in the discussion or disengage, stop sniping. SPACKlick (talk) 05:53, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Clearly nobody is googling

message: vigorously opposed the privatisation of water services and electricity assets. Assisted by Liberal government leaks he exploited their internal divisions. LibStar (talk) 07:35, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: another uncited statement

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message: Why does the name "Michelle Chantelois" never appear in the article? 2001:8003:6A23:2C00:483F:6824:35DC:F7D7 (talk) 12:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
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