Talk:Franz Stangl

message: Reference #2 (http://www1.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/this_month/resources/treblinka.asp) contains inaccurate information, it states:
Women and children were gassed first, while the men were kept in the deportation square, standing naked and waiting until their turn came to enter the "pipe."
Based on many other available sources of information on Treblinka, the opposite is in fact true. Should this reference be considered for removal due to its inaccuracy?
Yarbywoo (talk) 16:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference Contains Inaccurate Information

message: I referenced John Kekes incorrectly. Any advice on how to do it correctly? Flute2!% (talk) 15:09, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: John Kekes reference

message: Didn't know that his membership in the Nazi Party pre-Anschluss was taken for a fact.  But perhaps I'm only remembering his denials in Sereny's book and forgetting some more definitive statement...
70.179.101.33 03:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any confirmation of Stangl joining the Austrian Nazi Party before the Anschluss. In the Sereny interviews (from 'The German Trauma') he claims that a friend added his name to the lists of Austrian Nazis from 1936 and 1937, in order to help his career (and possibly save his life) after he found a Nazi weapons cache before the Anschluss. I'll try to find a definite confirmation one way or the other. --Squiddy 12:05, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a somewhat complicated and disputed matter. Franz Stangl claimed that he got antedated membership card of the Nazi party after the Anschlusss that made him look as an early member. He claimed to Sereny that he was not a member before the Anschluss. He said that he became a member of the Nazi party out of fear, because he was well aware as a member of the police department that anti-Nazis were dealt with in a brutal manner. However, people tended not to believe Stangl's story and believed instead that he was an early secret member of the then illegal Nazi party. Personally I think Stangl's version could very well be true, because it correspondends with his character i.e. that of a human, but in this case tragically fatal combination of exaggerated fear of superiors, obedience to superiors, industriousness, and ambition. Andries 11:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Nazi Party membership

message: The whole article seems to hinge upon the probably self-serving thoughts of Stangl on Stangl about his life and crimes. Maybe a perspective from his colleagues and victims would be valuable....as in most other biographies...Colin4C 14:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stangl on Stangl 

message: This page happens to quote exactly . Is anybody willing to fix it?
Assez 22:30, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quoting 

message: I am adding an infobox and a photo Meishern (talk) 04:15, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Update Infobox & Photo

message: Hoops, please stop. The version you are reverting to:
*Has unnecessary detail (SS rank) cluttering up the second sentence of the lead, complete with grammatical error (it's "at the rank..." not "in the rank..."). The information is presented later.
*contains redundant information - saying that he was an extermination camp commandant means he was a perpetrator of the Holocaust. Which was mass murder. We don't need the sentence insisting on these as well as what we already have - it looks overly-defensive, and the sentence sounds as if it was written by an 8-year old.
*doesn't even link to the Holocaust.
That's a lot of fucking-up in a 60 character difference. Squiddy | (squirt ink?) 09:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see what the big deal is - the perpetrator stuff is surplus to requirements - Hoops you seem to think it isn't clear that he was a murderer or summat in the lead , but blimey, to say he was  lead Nazi at Sobibor and Treblinka -  that is enough said, kind of thing. Sayerslle (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit war

message: "Around 100,000 Jews are believed to have been killed there while Stangl was the administrator until the furnaces broke down in October, by which time Stangl had left."  Other sources suggest that there were never any furnaces at Sobibor - corpses were initially buried and subsequently exhumed and burnt in the open air.  In any even there is no citation Hardicanute (talk) 12:17, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Furnaces and corpses 

message: Under the Treblinka heading, Stangl was said to be "No sadist".
This is an astonishing and disconcerting claim about a mass murderer who carried a whip and revelled in his "Work".
I removed the phrase. Historygypsy (talk) 01:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem, User:Historygypsy is that this was a direct quote from a book and shouldn't be altered just because you don't like what it says. And as much as I might agree with your sentiment this is definitely a violation of WP:NPOV. SQGibbon (talk) 20:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

text: It is not a matter of me "Not liking what it says", it is a matter of fact. If this is a quote, then it should be should be made quite clear who said it and why, and to what purpose. Wikipedia must avoid giving a misleading impression, even if it is unintendedHistorygypsy (talk) 23:25, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It is most certainly a quote (thus the quotation marks and citation) so I don't see a problem there nor is there any misleading impression present. However, I also think some context would be helpful for any reader (as you suggested: who said this and why). And if there is no compelling context then it also seems to me that we can remove the entire quote especially as it does seem rather shoehorned in at this point. What we cannot do is just remove part of the quote. SQGibbon (talk) 21:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

text: Thank you SQGibbon, I will trust you to remove the entire quote, since it was your idea Historygypsy (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  No sadist? 

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message: Here is a passage from David Cesarani's Final Solution: The Fate of the Jews 1933-1949, I hope it can be used to improve the tagged section.
:The torrent of doomed humanity overwhelmed Eberl and his small complement of Germans and Ukrainians, although there is evidence that the commandant was not up to the job. He failed to warn the Gestapo in Warsaw to slow down the deportations, call for reinforcements, or devise ways to handle the mass of arrivals more efficiently. Eberl's mismanagement came to light when Christian Wirth visited Treblinka in his capacity as the new inspector of the Operation Reinhard camps. He was accompanied by his boss, Odilo Globocnik. Even this pair, hardened to the business of mass atrocity as they were, could see there was a problem. Josef Oberhauser, Wirth's deputy, later recounted that 'In Treblinka everything was in a state of collapse. The camp was overstocked. Outside the camp, a train with deportees was unable to be unloaded as there was simply no more room. Many corpses of Jews were lying inside the camp. These corpses were already bloated.' Wirth relieved Eberl of his authority and arranged for Franz Stangl, commandant of Sobibor, to take over.
From page 507. There's also a passage detailing the state of the camp under Eberl's regime on page 505. The footnote at the end of the long paragraph reads: Arad, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka, 89-92, 119-120; Wiernik, A Year in Treblinka, 18.
If you need anything else from this book, please just ask 51.6.65.195 (talk) 17:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: material to answer the "''further explanation needed''" tag

message: So that’s how it’s pronounced? Someone should tell the Germans.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.191.146.191 (talk) 16:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  SHTAHN-gul