Talk:Angels & Demons (film)

message: In my opinion, the film deserves better critisicm, so I altered the numbers in the criticism section a little bit.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.232.69.135 (talk) 19:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism

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:Feel free to include this. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 11:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation for use 

message: Someone keeps removing the text that states that Stellan Skarsgård plays Maximilian Kohler, which has been revealed in a recent personal interview that he plays him. lmao ban dat vadaliser  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.170.176 (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support statements with citations please. What interview? Alientraveller (talk) 22:55, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kohler

message: It is the sequel to The Da Vinci Code (2006)
shouldnt it say prequel ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Netsecur (talk • contribs) 
:Read the article. Alientraveller (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Already read it. It's a contradiction. A sequel doesn't take place before the original. I'm changing it --Surten (talk) 23:59, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Already backed out. Sorry.--Surten (talk) 00:01, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

text: What is there left to be agreed on? The film is a sequel and the article notes this. Alientraveller (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sequel

message: Mr Gray and Cardinal Strauss are not in the book. Shouldn´t the article mention this? 88.114.219.58 (talk) 23:27, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article mentions Howard felt more free to change the story and wanted to make it more realistic. Based on how the Camerlengo's character was changed to suit McGregor, the reader can also assume similar reasons were made for other characters (many have already speculated cultural sensitivities is why the assassin is no longer an Arab). Alientraveller (talk) 09:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Your point? That readers can't add two and two? Alientraveller (talk) 21:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Changes

message: Stellan Skarsgard does not play Maximilian Kohler! The vandal is at it again.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.235.170.176 (talk) 15:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why didn't you undo it like I did? The fact of the matter is, Kohler is not in the film and anyone arguing with the official site over who Skaarsgard plays is foolish. Alientraveller (talk) 15:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kohler 

message: In my opinion there should be a section regarding the difference between the film and the book—I may write something later, but not now since I do not have the citations to back it up nor the time as of yet to find them.--KelvinHOWiknerd(talk) 13:32, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I haven't read much on the adaptation process, obviously a lot of changes were done to condense the story, or as noted in the article in Howard's Empire interview, more realistic. Still hoping for an interview where the director admits he cut the stereotypical assassin because, well, it's stereotypical. Alientraveller (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually placed a section for differences from the novel, but it was editted out for I don't know what reason, no notes were placed on the deleted part.--Maverx (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:MOSFILM#Adaptations. Again, don't write up such information without sources and in the wrong place (goes in Development/writing, not plot). Alientraveller (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

text:  As a user of wikipedia, I was hoping to find a section on how the film was different from the book. IMHO, the film and book are the source, people could check the difference there. I support a new section for the writing up the difference between two. To:Maverx, could you write down the edition on which you wrote the differences. --219.77.64.143 (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Those sources exists within wikipedia, please check the novel (Angels and Demons), the book () is easily the best reference to the differences section. --Maverx (talk) 06:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Then read the book's plot summary. Alientraveller (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

text: WP:MOSFILM#ADAPTATIONS. The issue is over. There is nothing worth noting beyond what Howard has stated in that they tried making the plot more realistic. Alientraveller (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference from the book. 

message: This needs a rewrite. It's incorrect (soil as opposed to earth) and rather unclear (man is imperfect so religion is also imperfect?)(Aurumpotestasest (talk) 14:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: Since the artistic puzzles and historic sites are considered important in the story line, the summary should mention them, instead of just referring to "a fountain" and "a church" and "a castle" -- Bernini's fountain, the St. Teresa statue and the Castel Sant'Angelo are world famous.
I know that somebody will do a differences section, so here's some stuff to start with:
(1) Langdon in the book was first brought in by CERN and met Vittoria there.  In the movie they are both recruited by the Vatican and meet in the papal offices.
(2) The adoptive relationship between Vittoria and the Jesuit scientist was not mentioned in the movie, as far as I could tell.  Instead the adoption story is shifted to the pope and camerlengo, replacing the bit about artificial insemination.  
(3) The running joke that Vittoria started off in skimpy clothing and has no time to change has been dropped.
(4) In the book all four candidates are killed.  In the movie the last is rescued by Langdon and becomes the new pope.
(5) In the book Langdon received one of the Illuminati brands as a reward.  In the movie he receives a Renassaince text that he had been seeking for research (a big improvement in my opinion)
(6) In the book Langdon goes up in the helicopter with the camerlengo and is saved by a complicated series of events.  The movie simplified matters by leaving him on the ground.
(7) The book ends with Langdon and Vittoria in bed together.  The movie downplays any sexual attachment between the two.
(8) Although the book was written before DA VINCI CODE, the movie makes a couple of references about the DA VINCI CODE events being in the past.
(9) In order to get to the bomb in time, the camerlengo fakes a vision (book version).  In the movie Langdon figures out the bomb's location ( a flaw, because it implies the camerlengo was EXPECTING Langdon to figure out everything before it went off.)
There are others, but those are the ones I noticed right off.
CharlesTheBold (talk) 20:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Next time, please add to the discussion above rather than create a new topic for your opinion. Alientraveller (talk) 21:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  locations and differences 

message: The article says "The worldwide opening was the largest since Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull's the previous year." This is incorrect, The Dark Knight opened July 18th, almost 2 months after Indiana Jones. Going to fix it...137.244.215.51 (talk) 10:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, complain to Reuters then. Alientraveller (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Box Office 

message: Isn't the camerlengo obliged to be a cardinal? If I'm wrong, correct me, but the Camerlengo in the movie wasn't a cardinal. Which was odd. 205.211.221.52 (talk) 07:39, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is that odd? You obviously know nothing about computers, they're separate, Boson15 (talk) 11:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no idea what that above person means by "You obviously know nothing about computers" but I will offer that the world of Angels and Demons is a fictionalized version of our own. They are able to create large amount of anti-matter so maybe you also don't need to be a Cardinal to be the Camerlengo (my point being there are many difference from reality in movies, try not to fixate on them). As for the real world, yes both tradition and vatican law dictate that the Camerlengo be a Cardinal given the fact that it is a very high office within the Church.Aml830 (talk) 10:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Just as a general information: you need not be a cardinal to be elected pope.  --79.45.212.47 (talk) 09:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

text: WP:NOT WP:FORUM WP:SPAM. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 02:05, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Camerlengo 

message: On Rotton Tomatos, it dosen't have 79%. I was just on there and it had 38% rotton. Someone needs to fix this.--Snowman Guy (talk) 16:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Go on the Rotton Tomatoes page for the movie.--Snowman Guy (talk) 02:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: *Angels & Demons: Vatican VFX on Steroids —Erik (talk • contrib) 16:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Visual effects 

message: *Just a warning to other editors. Some folks think it's hilarious to change all the scores in the critical reception section, but this vandalism often goes unnoticed. If you notice any changes made to this section, check that they're valid. Thanks! (Pdb781 (talk) 20:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Has anyone else noticed that the plot summary seems to slowly make less and less sense. Not from a story standpoint but towards the end of the section, it sounds like it was written by a 5 year old.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.178.184.130 (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot needs a serious rewrite

message: The articles states on May 24: "The film has received mainly positive reviews from critics and fans alike, the reviews were far more positive than for The Da Vinci Code. Rotten Tomatoes reported that 86% of critics gave the film positive reviews based on 214 reviews, with a weighted average score of 8.1 out of 10.[25] Among Rotten Tomatoes' "Top Critics" demographic, which consists of popular and notable critics from the top newspapers, websites, television, and radio programs, the film holds an overall positive-leaning approval rating of 87% based on 12 reviews"
I just went to Rotten Tomatoes and this is not the case. Under the Top Critics section, it shows a 34 %, with 21 considered "rotten" out of 32. Under the "T-Meter" critics, it shows a bit higher with a 37 % with 136 out of 216 reviews as rotten. 
I have not yet seen this movie--in fact, I came to Wikipedia to see what the consensus was, and when I saw such high numbers, I felt I had to check as I was "expecting" negative backlash. The numbers in the Wikipedia are just out and out false. --24.183.198.127 (talk) 18:36, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: As I mention a couple of sections above this one, some users like to vandalise this page by changing the figures. If you notice they are incorrect, just change them back through the "undo" feature on the history page. Pdb781 (talk) 22:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Boson15 (talk) may have been changing the section. I began a similar section earlier on this page, and he replied with a harassing comment.--Snowman Guy (talk) 14:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Reviews Confusion

message: Just looking at the 37% approval off of RT, I don't think I would call that mixed reviews. I've seen plenty of other articles with percentages even in the 40s where it was categorized as having negative reviews. There should be some sort of guideline for this, because there's a huge amount of inconsistency with this sort of thing.Hypershadow647 (talk) 15:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  mixed reviews? 

message: Has there been any valid conclusion about the justification of this section?
I am following the article for about 2 days by now, and more and more additions are made, most of which seem to be quite worthless to me. I just removed an about 5000 byte long addition by a single user of today, who added some 20 items alone - most of which were duplicates of already existing entries anyway
br, Gruen (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  differences from the novel - again 

message: Dan Brown is known for his liberties with factual accuracy. Does anyone know of any list of factual inaccuracies in the film? It would be interesting to hear what physicists say about the creation of anti-matter, for example. And I assume the setting in the shots from the "Vatican archive" are pure fiction. Would they really have hermetically locked off glass cages for the books?
If the article already contained such a list, which was deleted by one of Wikipedia's ardent deletionists with some obscure motivation, does anyone know anywhere outside Wikipedia, where one could get this kind of information. Mlewan (talk) 22:02, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of factual mistakes, anyone? 

message: Look, I'M a Catholic, and I can safely say that, despite these Ron Howard films' run-ins with religion, there is no reason to believe that this film is actually anti-Catholic. I believe that everyone and their mother are right to think that this movie doesn't present the Catholic church in the most flattering manner, but it does not achieve a bona fide attack on the principles of Catholicism. 
I loved it (kinda), and hey, so did the Vatican. --GnarlyLikeWhoa (talk) 22:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Catholic? 

message: Why the hell is Angels and Demons written as a "sequel" to Da Vinci Code. As far as I can remember its a prequel isn't it?59.182.135.166 (talk) 05:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The novel is a prequel but the movie script was written to become a sequel. --Lennier1 (talk) 05:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sequel? 

message: Dan Brown is noted for "artistic license" with the facts. One plot device in the film was a "purga" in which four supposed Illuminati were branded and executed by the Roman Catholic Church, and the Illuminati are now ostensibly seeking revenge through parallel actions against four Catholic cardinals. I haven't seen any info anywhere on this "purga" and I've been assuming that Brown (or screenwriter Akiva Goldsman) invented it. Does anyone have any definite source on this one way or the other? Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: According to these Yahoo! Answers entries http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090206184227AAOopWs http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090517152322AAB54lx it did not happen.--134.130.4.242 (talk) 22:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: "Purga" of four Illuminati: Fictitious or historical?

message: Where is this mysterious country, 'Overseas'? And where can we find its box office performance information?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joy.discovery.invention (talk • contribs) 11:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overseas 

message: The article stated that the track "The God Particle" was named after the antimatter manufactured at CERN. This is quite simply not true; the "God Particle" is the media name for the Higgs Boson, an underpinning of the Standard Model. I've corrected this. RadicalTwo (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Score Track "The God Particle" 

message: I edited the "plot" section to reflect the actual MacGuffin in the film being antimatter, rather than the inaccurate "miniature event horizons/black holes" description that existed previously. 66.143.53.129 (talk) 04:31, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The MacGuffin 

message: As with the Da Vinci Code film, I'm wondering if this film qualifies for :Category:Films which are set within one day. Should this one be added?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.87.182 (talk) 01:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Set in One Day? 

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message: What is the connection? Is it some kind of devious vandalism, or am I missing something? -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I just removed the link since its only relevance to the film is that the billboard was once displayed on the side of its synagogue building. Aithus (talk) 16:57, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish center in the See Also section... 

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