Talk:Income trust

message: I'm not sure its appropriate for this material to be posted on Wikipedia so I won't insert it into the article until I get a ruling.
The two clips are on YouTube and show Prime Minister Steven Harper promising not to tax income trusts. On October 31 Harper's broke that promise and this lead to Trust Investor capital losses of approximately $25-30 Billion Canadian Dollars. 
I think the YouTube material is relevant and newsworthy but I want other points of view before I insert it into the main article.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9mibZYpVPY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xtiykp-WDG4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SD9rfeZxLE
Regards  DSatYVR 17:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: From the article: "income flowed out to investors will be subject to a new 34% tax" Shouldn't the number be "31.5%" from table 2 in the link? Shawnc 21:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: I would like to direct attention to Yves Fortin's Testimony of Feb 1 2007 to explain why the tax exempt and tax leakage assumptions in the DoF Backgrounder make no sense. DSatYVR 17:27, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fortin Testimony at February 1, 2007 Income Trust Hearings

message: However, many detractors of income trusts argue that income trusts are Ponzi schemes because a substantial portion of the 'distribution' from an income trust consists of Return of Capital, in other words, a return of one's original investment, rather than actual business operating earnings.  Detractors further argue that distributions for certain trusts, particularly in the oil and gas sector, are actually partially financed by the issuance of new equity, and not by actual cash flows generated by business assets.
Income trusts use ROC to varying degrees. Some do not distribute any income as ROC so this statement casts a fairly wide net. Kind of like saying Enron is bad so all stocks are bad. Can the original author work on this please? Thanks DSatYVR 00:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Under Investor Risks - Although income trusts are not in themselves Ponzi schemes, when the market treats the return of capital as income they become one. Can the author please expand on this statement because my understanding is quite different from yours. Referring to Return of Capital on Wiki, I see several plausible examples how and why ROC is applied, none of which are illegal or a 'ponzi scheme'. To imply Income Trusts are doing something illegal by using ROC as part of the distributions should be backed up by a cited reference. DSatYVR 23:39, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Although income trusts are not in themselves Ponzi schemes, when the market treats the return of capital as income they become one. This statement, to my knowledge has no basis in fact. If the original author can cite which Income Trusts have attracted the attention of regulatory authorities for accounting irregularities please feel free to reinsert. I direct your attention to AOG.UN trading on the TSX. From the website Tax advantaged structure - distributions are expected to be 100% return of capital for first 7 years. If you need examples of other Income Trusts that have high ROC let me know. DSatYVR 15:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ponzi Scheme? 

message: This page is cited as a reference. Given that it is entitled "To Jim 'It's not my fault' Flaherty", and the content, I for one don't see how this can be considered a credible reference. It's pure propaganda. While the arguments can and should be made, they are not made in this reference, at least not credibly. I propose to delete this bit until a better reference can be found.--Gregalton 01:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The math is fairly straight forward on this, and because the Harper government hasn't released anything but blacked out, heavily censured documents which prove nothing like this I haven't been able to find anything else out there. Seems like the government doesn't really have a case against Income Trust taxation. DSatYVR 15:58, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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message: The statement at the end of the article ("Since this time, BCE has announced that they will go private and pay no corporate taxes.") completely misconstrues the meaning of 'going private'. 
In the case of BCE, the corporation is going private in the sense that no shares will be traded on public stock exchanges. This is a change of the nature of ownership - not of the tax structure of the company itself. If privately held companies were tax exempt, there would be no publicly traded ones.
It is not clear whether the author of the section is purposely obfuscating - or simply does not know what he's writing about.Jbacu1985 17:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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message: When distributions include return of capital the investor is really receiving his own capital back through the distributions. Not sure about this sentence either. The Investor is receiving excess cash from operations. In the case of REITs the Return of Capital is equal to the CCA. For oil and gas Royalty Trusts, ROC is equal to the depletion of reserves. DSatYVR 15:53, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
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message: *Canadian Association of Income Trust Investors
*CAITI-ONLINE-MEDIA Compilation of past print and video ads from CAITI
*CAITI-ONLINE Current commentary on Canadian Income Trust issues.
It does a heart good to realize that CAITI, a legit and registered Canadian Investor advocacy group is singled out for special treatment and deleted whenever possible. Why the fear? Or more to the point what is the legitimate reason for the deletions? DSatYVR (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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