Talk:Freddie Mercury/Archive 3

message: Is there really going to be a Mercury movie?  If so, this should definetly be put in the article.Freddie Mercury Movie
::I think these Freddie Mercury biopic rumours are pretty mysterious, this was recently posted on QueenZone: http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/airdrummer/Depp-Freddie.jpg, but its authenticity is still being debated. Another point of interest is that Brian May is pretty well-known for shooting down false rumours as soon as they turn up, but he's been silent on the matter. Perry 20:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freddie Mercury Movie 

message: It does not appear to me that there is enough documentation to say that Freddie Mercury was a "lyric tenor." Although I do not doubt this fact, it is not good enough to simply cite a personal web page. After all, it could just be the webmaster's opinion that Mercury was a lyric tenor. In order to really prove this fact, you need some kind of external citation from a published article. On the other hand, I think that the web page does a good job at documenting vocal range. Because you are not going to find an official article that documents vocal range, I think that this personal web page is sufficient to establish an objective fact like vocal range, but not a more subjective matter like vocal weight.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.44.85 (talk • contribs) 
:You can hear what his voice was like by listening to some Queen records!--feline1 15:17, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: However, as he says, not everyone is educated enough to define what vocal wieght Freddie was. We need a source from some site or book whose author has the education to make such a claim... Billvoltage 20:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyric Tenor

message: I found this great article about Freddie's ancestry: http://www.queenarchives.com/viewtopic.php?t=137 -- Miketm 03:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  That was a great read, however it was full of speculations.136.159.187.178 08:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you mean we can't say he was Persian. Beside himself saying it, there are thousands of articles, books and biographies that say he was Persian. 136.159.133.199 22:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Many people of partial Indian ancestry in the west, particularly in Britain (Merle Oberon, Engelbert Humperdinck) tried to conceal it as it was seen as an indicator of lower class, so it's understandable that he may have wanted to identify as Persian. It has been documented that he was ethnically Parsi. Parsis are related to but not synonymous with Persians (our distingushing attributes are Persian relative to the Indian norm, but Indian relative to the Persian norm!). I am not really one to get into a debate over this but this article seems to make it seem like any person of Persian descent living in India is considered a Parsi, which is simply not the case. VirafPatel 02:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ancestry 

message: The purpose of the intro. is to give a brief introduction. There is no need to put Freddie Mercury's real name there. Basically, the opening paragraph should be a quick explanation (that a non-Queen fan could understand) of why he was famous and why anyone should care about the rest of the article. There is also no need to list every obscure band that he was ever in. The point of an encyclopedia article is to be concise, and I do not see why this belongs in a box that should only contain important things. 67.190.44.85 01:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: No need to put real name in intro

message: Hi, Mike. Thanks for putting up the new photos. I think that we can re-submit the article as a "good article" now. 138.67.44.69 02:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks for the new photos

message: I've just found this:
freddy was gay he always was. And i hate gay people. If you have any problems with thisw call
under "singer and performer". I tried to take it out, but I can't see it on the 'edit this page' tab. Could someone please sort this out? What a fucking retard this person is.
:That's because User:80.43.91.249 removed it while you were looking for it.  Thank you for your attention to the article.  ... discospinster talk 01:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I reinserted this part into the article as their are many (especially Iranian) fans who consider him Persian based on his Parsi roots and on his own statements. There was a big edit war over this, and I want to avoid that and bring back more focus on the other parts of the article. BTW, nice job on these additional pictures. Now, if we could just lengthen the introductory paragraph a bit, and provide some more details in with regards to different aspects of his life and musical legacy, we can certainly bring this to a featured article status like that of Phil Collins. Afghan Historian 15:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree who took it off? 136.159.133.244
Its back on. Hopefully thats done with. Personally, I dont think he should be labelled Iranian, as Parsis are no longer really Iranian. I also think literally calling him Persian (despite whatever he said) just confuses people with regards to his heritage, as most people mean Iranians when they say someone is Persian. I originally wanted him to be labelled as just an Indian Parsi with a quick note in the legacy background that he identified himself as a Persian rather than Parsi or Indian. Also, about these thousands of books and journals that call him "Persian", from what I read, most books called him Parsi Indian. I dont know what some people mean when they say thousands of biographies and books call him Persian. From what I read, they all call him Indian. The VH1 documentary on him also refers to him neither as Persian nor Indian, but simply Parsi. The only sources I can think of are his fan website bios and amateur sketches by others based on information in the original fan club bio. Nevertheless, he did call himself Persian (perhaps more in the regard Parsis generally do, rather than as an actual Iranian) and many Iranian fans like to identify him as such, so I guess this is the best. Afghan Historian 16:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: who took "Persian Rock star" out?

message: Under what basis is that website put in Freddie's infobox? I don't think any website could be regarded as official for someone that died 15 years ago. Andymc 21:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Website?

message: It seems to me that even though Freddy Mercury naturally fell in the Baritone speaking range he was not really a baritone, but a tenor. In the songs where he sings confortably he is always in the tenor range, never in the baritone range, which would absolutely mean he is a tenor, if he wasn't most of Queen's songs, especially the slower ones would have been composed for a baritone voice. Not because he has a baritone speaking voice does it mean he is a baritone, there are many people with deep voices who are in fact tenors and vice-versa. Perhaps she should consider changing that section of the webpage into saying that "...even though his speaking voice naturally fell in the baritone range, his singing voice was that of a tenor..."
Kiske 19:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have enough experiance to say this with knowledge? We had a discussionn ealier (not sure if it is on this page or one of the archives) and we decided that we needed someone who had expertise that could "weigh" his voice. I know I can't tell the difference, so I cannot make any call, educated or not... Billvoltage 01:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Baritone? 

message: Hello. Listen, I was going through some outdated Cat Fancy magazines, and I noticed there was an article dedicated to Freddie Mercury. It talked mostly about his love for his cats and how they impacted his life. There was even explanations about some of his songs that were about his cats, such as Delilah and Mr. Bad Guy. I don't know if it'll be useful, and if it is, I wouldn't know what section to type it under. And I don't know if it's already been added, too. But I have searched through almost everything, and I haven't found it.
So if it's not too much trouble, I'd like to know if I could put up this part. ¡Gracias! Kyo cat 02:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Magazine Article

message: There is a quote, under the header Death, and I was wondering, do we have a source for that? Billvoltage 01:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: it shouldn't be hard to find. I saw his statement a few times... Donny 14:24, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Death Quote

message: OK, guys. The cat stuff is interesting, but if you want to work on editing, do not change the article back unless it also includes the new Mike Myers quote and the removal of the word "legendary" from the "Early Life" section. I personally feel that the current paragraph is more concise and that you should make edits from there. Maybe we should have a vote on it.67.190.44.85 01:37, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cat Page

message: Honestly, 67.190.44.85, what is it going to take to get you to stop editing the article one sentence at a time?  You revert a quote from "Queen: In their own words" which is a very telling statement from Freddie about Freddie.  A simple search would have found a source.  *Sparkhead 02:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Multitudes of Edits

message: I don't see the point of the comment (rudimentary) under what instruments freddie played. HOW an artist plays an instrument is individual to such a degree that it should not be compared directly. John Petrucci of Dream Theater is the opposite kind of player to Blixa Garbeld in Nick Cave and the bad seeds- who would dare say that one is better than the other when Blixa never aspired to be technically proficient? This might be airy fairy for those of you that dont play an instrument but I shure do and resent this word RUDIMENTARY. In my view our Freddie could make magical music with a spoon!  I will delete the word and if any one out there puts it back, please write to me and tell your justification. And please chech out how Roger Taylor describes the musical abilities of Freddie on the making of Bohemian Rhapsody film. PLEASE RESPOND  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Merqury5 (talk • contribs) 
Not much to respond to.  You're completely correct, and you've made the edit.  Done. *Sparkhead 11:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rudimentary 

message: Guys, Freddie Mercury was a baritone who maintained good tone in the tenor range. M. Caballe classified him as such. The baritone range extends from the G 10 notes below middle C to the E above middle C (i.e. from the G2 to the E4). If you look at the range listed on the page, he obviously falls right into the baritone range. In particular, during the "Live At Wembley" concert, it is clear that Mercury is more comfortable in the baritone range. 67.190.44.85 05:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Freddie Mercury *was* a baritone

message: Guys, more work needs to go into the "Barcelona" discussion. I feel like it needs more. I hope to see some helpful contributions here. Sparkhead, you seem to have plenty of time on your hands. Why don't you put some work into fleshing this part out? 67.190.44.85 05:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your editing style is abrasive and disruptive.   Using a sock to attempt to get your point across isn't the best move either. That isn't exactly an invitation for other editors to work with you. *Sparkhead 13:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More Work Needed on "Barcelona" album

message: Boab, I reverted back to the agreed upon version then restored some of your additions.  Your change to the header of the "Death" section, as well as the removal of the overbite and Jackson sections all were unwarranted, as well as your Americanization of some portions of text (including spelling changes).  Please do not make major changes without discussion. Thanks. *Sparkhead 20:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration 

message: I see you're at it again with the multitude of micro edits that result in a major change of the article.  Stop it.  We had a decision on the quotes and on much of the other material which was reverted by other editors that you've put in once again.  Before you add anything to the article, do two things: write it up in user space and ask for views here.  Reviewing WP:OWN might be a good idea as well.  Thanks.  *Sparkhead 17:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Editing 

message: I feel like the three sentences in the intro. paragraph should be merged as they are at the moment. Looking at the Vivian Leigh article, which was recently a featured article, the first paragraph is made up of several sentences, rather than three separate paragraphs with 1 sentence each. Here it is, in case anyone wants to use it as a model for this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Leigh.138.67.44.38 23:27, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Intro paragraph

message: See Order of Quotes, above. I'd like to get a poll on this.  Without socks.  Regarding quote ordering, I've put them in order of those who have worked closest with Mercury, followed by that who are closely associated with his music, followed by others in what I perceive as order of notability on the topic of Freddie Mercury.  That ordering was reverted first to an order that one editor thought "would be more interesting" and then to an alphabetical ordering.  So, what should the order be?  Please chime in below.  Note that due to the constant IP switching of the editor in question I'll ask that only named accounts comment. Thanks. Spark* 20:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: # Spark* 20:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Straw Poll on Quote Order

message: Time magazine has voted Freddie as one of the most infulential Asians. I would like to add this to the list of commendations he has received and also highlight some of the points raised by them. http://www.time.com/time/asia/2006/heroes/at_bulsara.html. — warpspeed 19:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 03:08, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So do I. But this article doesn't have a list of commendations that I can see.  In the Legacy section, I've renamed "Recent Polls" to "Popularity" and added this link.  Just a stub though, so warpspeed, please do add highlights you feel are appropriate. *Spark* 03:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time magazine 

message: Please stop with the ISO Time formatting.  When someone is not logged in as a user, the time formats to what is in the source, and not only is September 5, 1946 more readable, it's not vague. "5-9-46" is (depending on whether you're used to M-D-YY or D-M-YY). When someone is logged in, the time formats to their preferences. 24.186.20.138 00:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just logged out and see what you mean. I had no idea it did that when your not logged in.— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 00:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISO Time Formatting 

message: There is an article titled Adriana Mercury containing many false claims about a person who is purported to be Freddie Mercury's daughter. If the article is still there when you read this, I would appreciate it if anyone would comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adriana Mercury so we can get rid of the false article. --Metropolitan90 23:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Adriana Mercury]] 

message: Well, this song, as far as i know, was never an international hit, so i suggest that someone remove that claim from the introduction. 130.237.89.78 02:47, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a huge hit in Japan. It was like Beatlemania.— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 16:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That isn't stated on the Seven Seas of Rhye page.  Hit = charting and I see no such info for the song in Japan. *Spark* 16:36, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Seas of Rhye an International Hit? 

message: Well, I don't know how much this means, but I found this site (http://zanzibar.net/zanzibar/didyouknow ) which, on the fourth bullet down, spells his name as Farouk, not Farrokh, or something similar...
I was wondering if this should be taken into account... Billvoltage 16:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've re-linked the birth certificate which shows the spelling as Farrokh. *Spark* 17:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I think that birth certificates are a little more legel than tourist sites... :) Billvoltage 03:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farrokh? Faroukh? Farrock? 

message: Could someone add something about where and when Freddie picked up this name? I believe it was the title of one of his songs and that he did not start using Freddie Mercury as his name until after their 2nd or 3rd album. An important step in his career. s-slaytor
:It's in the Queen (album) article, the song is "My Fairy King".  I see no reliable source for that claim.  If you think it fits in here some where, add it or propose it here, does seem more relevant here than in the album article. --*Spark* 18:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  "I see no reliable source for that claim." The source is Brian May... - Candyfloss 19:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the claimed source.  That article is extremely short on references.  I'm not disputing that as truth, just a lack of cites. --*Spark* 20:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Derivation of "Mercury" name

message: This recently added section isn't about legacy at all, it's about trivia for Mercury in Japanese culture.  Degrades the quality of the article per WP:TRIV and does not belong in it. --*Spark* 02:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Legacy 

message: When he developed the nodules is not particularly clear. I thought at first they may have been a complication from AIDS but I guess not since AFAICT he didn't do any concerts after he started showing symptoms of AIDS Nil Einne 14:39, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nodules 

message: Nice big photo at the start of the page - perhaps too big?  Could we have a smaller thumbnail linked to the actual picture please? --¬¬¬¬ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.136.43.9 (talk) 14:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Main Photo 

message: Why not use :Image:Hannover7909.jpg as the primary image? In fact, the current image's fair use rationale doesn't really hold up for this page when Hannover7909 is right there - fair use is acceptable when a Free image isn't available, and Hannover7909 is a Free image, right beneath it! Jumbo Snails 23:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, this picture gives a better perspective of him than the previous picture had. It's also a smaller picture TheGamerDude 01:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention that we now have two rather similar images, and nothing that shows him in his long-haired youth. - Jmabel | Talk 07:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In regards to the image 

message: "The stamp caused controversy because Queen drummer Roger Taylor could be seen in the background."  This sentence is unclear and I feel the section needs reworking.  Did the stamp cause controversy because it commemorated Freddie Mercury and Roger Taylor was in it, or because stamps usually featured Royal family members?  Nicwright 00:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason it caused controversy was because, up until that time, the only living people allowed on a stamp were royalty.  So to be on a stamp you had to be dead or royalty.  Rodger Taylor mentioned this in one of his many interviews. Admiralross2400 14:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stamp 

message: I just happened across this article, but it seems to me that it is an "A" class bio article, rather than a "B".  It seems pretty complete.  To bring it up to FA would require more citations, but it seems better than a "B"?  Best regards, -- Ssilvers 21:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article has to be listed as a "Good Article" first (see #No need to post "B-class article" designation and Wikipedia:Peer review/Freddie Mercury/archive2).— miketm - Queen WikiProject - 00:07, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment

message: Freddie Mercury had always been fairly open about his homosexual tendencies. In a March 12, 1974 interview for New Musical Express, he told the interviewer: "I am as gay as a daffodil, my dear!"
I find this a bit annoying as it is portrayed almost as a coming out by freddie. Anyone who has a fair understanding of the english language, the age of this comment and freddies particular type of humor will understand that this IS NOT a coming out. Gay is not originally a word for homosexuality, it is by my understanding more of a state of mind and manner. It is freddie playing with words. I tried to disarm the impact of this sentence earlier by editing in that is was an ambigous statement. My edit was removed so I won't bother doing it again. But note that I strongly dissagree of taking his statement out of context and using it here for some kind of validation for the claim that freddie was open. Through my studies I find that freddie could be open with people he trusted, but people knowledgable in Queen history knows that they were carefull in making statements to the tabloids and that NME was no friend of Queen. If I could get some support for this we might get this segment a bit more correct. In saying correct I mean not putting words in freddies mouth. We should stick to what was actually said and done with some sound judgement. In freddies name.
:I concur, the meaning of the word gay used to mean happy.  Only until recently has its meaning been taking over to mean homosexuality.  I am pretty sure Mr. Mercury knew both the old and new definitions and was probably having fun with it.  Though this total guessing, he may have been quoting an old movie or book.  In essence, without further explanation of his quote by him, we will never know what he meant. --Lincoln F. Stern 18:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  annoying outing 

message: Did not 'Barcelona' top the Spanish charts...? MatteusH 23:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Living On My Own' his only solo #1 single?