Talk:List of piano manufacturers

message: I cleaned this list up and created a sortable table. It can be informative to sort manufacturers by region or by age. (Until data is normalized, sorting won't work perfectly, but this is a good start.)
#Should individual artisans appear in this list along side corporations? Alternatively, should there be separate lists for piano corporations and the piano artisans that worked for those corporations?
#I did not create links to New York because of ambiguity. In some cases it should link to cities inside of New York state but in other cases it should link to the city New York, NY.
#I added the 'Acquired By' field in the table because so many of these companies/brands have merged.
#Data should be cited if possible.
#There are several other aggregations of piano makers/manufacturers on Wikipedia. 
::I discovered that this List of piano makers gets 10 times more traffic than either of these two pages:
:::Category:Piano manufacturing companies
:::Category:Piano_makers
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::I also discovered that the german version of this page, Liste von Klavierbauern, has substantially different content. It leans more towards listing individual artisans at the time of this writing.
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::I'm not sure what the next steps should be?
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::*Should the german Liste von Klavierbauern be synchronized with the english List of piano makers? I would say yes depending on the answer to point #1 above.
::*Should data from :Category:Piano manufacturing companies and :Category:Piano_makers that does not appear in List of piano makers be added to the List of piano makers? See point #1 above. 
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::*Finally, there is this very extensive List of piano brand names. Would it make sense to merge that list into a field of List of piano makers as a cross reference?
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::*Even more categories
:::es:Categoría:Fabricantes de pianos
:::eo:Kategorio:Pianokonstruistoj
:::it:Categoria:Costruttori di pianoforti
:::sv:Kategori:Pianotillverkare
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::Does anyone have any input on Wikipedia policies and guidelines for synchronizing Lists and Categories?
--Chris Murphy (talk) 04:55, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  To Do 

message: I propose this style guide for updating the table. I've cited these points when possible but your suggestions are welcome. For convenience and reinforcement, I added these tips in an invisible comment just above the table in the wikitext.
* New entries should be added in alphabetical order to the table.  Alphabetize by last name in cases where there are two names —e.g. August Förster is listed in the F section.Help:Sorting#Initial_sort_order_of_rows Do not introduce comma delimited naming conventions like Förster, AugustWikipedia:Naming_conventions_(people)#Standard_format_and_variations
* Use the full name of the company instead of abbreviations. —e.g. Steinway & Sons instead of just Steinway. 
* Add a period onto Co. (abbreviation for names ending in 'Company').  
* Date ranges should be specified with an en dash (not a hyphen) and no spaces: like this 1900–2000 not like this 1900 - 2000.
* Research and cite your dates. For approximate dates, to ensure proper presentation and sort order in the table, use the  template with the sortable flag like this Template:Circa#ParametersHelp:Table#Sorting
* If a company is still in business, don't simply write '1900–present' instead write —e.g. 1900– (Be sure to replace  with whatever the current year is). This mark up will, in coming years, alert editors to verify that the company is still in business and thus prevent this data from getting stale. If you find an entry where the  year is older than the current calendar year, it may be time to check if the company is still in business.WP:DATEDWP:ASOFWikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Open-ended_year_rangesWikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_124#.221996.E2.80.93present.22_vs._.22since_1996.22  (See the comment by User:Wwoods here Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(dates_and_numbers)/Archive_128#Deprecating_.22.E2.80.93present.22)
* Only put dates in the 'Years active' field. —e.g. don't write text such as 'died 1892' or 'unknown–1900' or '?–1900'.
* Avoid the use of centuries and decades dates such as 1800s or 1840s.WP:CENTURYWP:DECADE
* Locations should be linked to their wikipedia article. Major USA cities don't need a state or country, but lesser known cities should. —e.g. Lenoir City, TN, US (The link contains the article name, followed by the display name, followed by the two character state abbreviation in caps., followed by US)
--Chris Murphy (talk) 05:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good to me. However, I'm wondering about the company names, for instance, should Currier Piano Co. be listed as such or just as "Currier"? Chevsapher (talk) 23:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Let's use the full name of the company to disambiguate similar company names (e.g. Cable Company, Hobart M. Cable, and Cable and Sons). This will also give readers an accurate and unambiguous name with which to do further research. I'm updating the style guide above to reflect this suggestion. Chris Murphy (talk) 02:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Style Guide 

message: Schulzendorff pianos are not on the list.
Heinrich Schulzendorff, Berlin. Produced pianos between 1922 and 1926. 
I have such a piano.
1.121.105.126 (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schulzendorff pianos  

message: It seems to me that the name "List of piano manufacturers" would be a better name rather than "List of piano makers" -- thoughts?--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed rename? 

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