Talk:Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate

message: At the WikiProject I don't think that we hammered out what rivalry's were rated on the importance scale, but I rated this one a low because it is not that well known outside of Georgia. Bornagain4 17:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Care to back that up? That is just about the most subjective statement I have just about ever heard. What evidence have you that it is not that well known outside of Georgia? MagnoliaSouth (talk) 06:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: In Defense

message: Do we want to keep the table to just the three primary sports, or expand it to include Tennis, Volleyball, etc? —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coaching Matchups 

message: The following things still need to be referenced:
# The UGA Chapel Bell being stolen 
# Students saying "To Hell With Georgia Tech" at the end of UGA's fight song, "Glory, Glory." 
# Another source about the first football game,  especially one that confirms the team names 
# Something that confirms the following quote from the AJC;  the actual article would be best:
That's the big stuff. If we can get those knocked out, I'd say that it's more or less between B and GA-class. It could still use improvement, of course, but it's looking great. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am somewhat certain the Wildcats reference to Georgia's team is not correct - I have seen that nickname mentioned as one for the basketball team for a short time in the 1920s, but I can't remember where I read it to be honest.--Roswell native 18:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps we could remove their team name from the article until we're sure one way or the other. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I added this quote - it came from the Stegeman book in the existing refs. i have added as an inline citation. It would be nice to get it directly from the AJC article though, but I don't have easy access to a library that would have a copy.--Roswell native 18:24, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The book citation is good enough for our purposes, I think. It'd be an impressive find to get a copy of the AJC article, though. Thanks for adding those :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 18:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remaining needed citations  

message: It is a pleasure to Pass this article for Good Article status, it is very well written and very comprehensive. I checked the citations which are factually accurate and verifiable. Considering it is an article about a school rivalry it is very good at maintaining a neutral point of view. I do however have a few suggestions, in the opening paragraph there is a sentence about the two schools being "the most prestigious public universities in the southeastern united states" which is not cited and should be done in order to keep with a NPOV. The first paragraph of the  Traditions section seems very informational and neutral BUT it does not have a reference, I would suggest someone find a citation ASAP. The "other sports" section lacks some citation but it is still referenced so it is ok. Although I am passing this article I expect someone to fix some of my suggestions to make this article even better.--Joebengo 19:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the approval. That one sentence actually says "two of the most prestigious public universities in the..." which is simply stating that they are prestigious, not that they are the most prestigious. Also, prestige is hard to verify. The sentence might just be reworded at some point. I see that the other sports has a new citation, too. :) —Disavian (talk/contribs) 04:09, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: "The school newspapers of the two institutions often mock their rival institution. The Red and Black, Georgia's newspaper, usually has several jokes and articles mocking Georgia Tech the week before the football game. The Technique, Georgia Tech's newspaper, prints a special edition mocking The Red and Black, and commonly refers to its rival as "The University (sic) of Georgia." The special edition features several articles of parody and humor based on fictitious happenings at the University of Georgia, and is known as "To Hell With Georgia," after the school's popular cheer. On years where the schools play their match at UGA's Sanford Stadium, Technique staff distribute the issue across UGA's campus."
Is "The Technique" still distrbuted at the UGA campus?
:Yes, the past few years Techniques have appeared in the newspaper areas on UGA's campus.  Usually, this'll occur during the week leading up to the GT-UGA games @ Sanford. --Excaliburhorn 04:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I second this as being true... especially since I'm on the Nique's staff. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 06:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newspapers 

message: Here's a comprehensive list of incidents I've made.  I'm sure there are more but I need to find sources for this stuff.  I'll buff up the article moreso with this content.
*1885 - Tech founded as Georgia School of Technology, UGA's Mechanical Engineering School
*1891 - Tech chooses old gold, navy blue, and white as official school colors after UGA removes gold from its school colors, Tech students attend UGA-Auburn football game and cheer for Auburn in gold and white
*1893 - First Tech-UGA features Tech winning and UGA students pelting Tech players and coaches with stones during and after the game
*1907 - UGA contests baseball result in first game of Tech series, UGA refuses to finish series and sports relationship cut between both schools until 1909
*1908 - Ramblin' Wreck from Georgia Tech published featuring the lyric "To Hell With Georgia"
*1908 - UGA incites SIAA investigation into Tech recruiting practices
*1917 - Football series discontinued because of too much on and off the field violence
*1919 - UGA students make anti-Tech floats in WWI victory parade, athletic competition suspended again
*1929 - Up with the White and Gold published featuring lyrics "Down with the Red and Black" Tech students chase cow onto Grant Field instigating a riot, which could not be stopped by Atlanta police, cow had following phrase on it, "This ain't no bull.  We gonna beat UGA."
*1943 & 1944 - UGA blown out in football by Tech, games descredited by modern UGA athletic department
*1946 - UGA fans ask coal union bosses to strike in Athens preventing Tech's team from traveling to Athens for football game, Bobby Dodd hires DC-3 to fly team to Athens
*1946 - UGA and Tech issue first ever official peace treaty to cease campus vandalism 
*1964 - Tech leaves the SEC in protest
*1978 - UGA votes against Tech's attempted re-entry to SEC
*1980 - Tech ties Notre Dame, in essence giving UGA its only National Title in football
*1983 - John Dewberry transfers from UGA to Tech and becomes starting QB.  Ends up with 2-1 record against UGA and the only upset victories over UGA in all of Tech football history.
*1992 - Georgia Tech marching band sneaks astroturf GT into Sanford Stadium and places it at centerfield during halftime performance, removed by UGA cheerleaders soon after
*1993 - UGA questions fairness of playing annual basketball game in Omni (4 miles from Tech campus)
*1994 - Ryan Stewart and Eric Zeier start brawl in South End Zone to end the season for Tech and UGA
*2000 - UGA band members stab giant inflatable Buzz
--Excaliburhorn 18:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Remaining Stories

message: Why isn't there a results chart (of the football games played) like other rivalry articles on wikipedia? Cardsplayer4life (talk) 04:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Results chart? 

message: The use of :File:Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate.jpg on this article is inappropriate. Please see Wikipedia:NFC#Images_2, particularly points 7 and 8. This image would be appropriate for an article about the book. The image might be appropriate for this article if the cover were particularly famous and tightly relevant to the article other than just being a book about the rivalry. There's a claim in the reversion that re-instituted this photo  that the image is discussed in the article. I haven't read every word in the article, but have searched for "publish"(ed), "cromartie" and "book" and found no references to the book in the article text, only in the caption of the image. 
The image is being used here decoratively and inappropriately. I was asked in the edit summary of the reversion to bring it here to the talk page. So, here I am. This is a very clear cut case of inappropriate use. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:17, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely not appropriate as both an improper use of a book cover on a page not about the book, and the fact that here's a case where the image adds nothing to the understanding of the article and that it can be replaced by text, or if absolutely needed, two freely made images of the teams logos which fail the threshold of originality text (they'd still be trademarked, but can't be copyrighted). --MASEM (t) 13:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Concur with Hammersoft and Masem above. Completely uncontroversial. If the article really passed as GA with this image used in it, that says much about the GA process. CIreland (talk) 14:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: A great example of inappropriate use of a non-free image.  It's a near-exact match to example #4 of inappropriate use on WP:NFC. --Carnildo (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Just to concur with above. The cover of the book is not of any importance. J Milburn (talk) 17:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of [[:File:Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate.jpg]] on this article 

message: The article claims the university of Georgia is "generally recognized as the University for students that did not get accepted to Tech." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.82.61 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 14 January 2010
:I removed it. In the future, be bold and fix any problems you see, especially if they're as simple as that. —Disavian (talk/contribs) 19:44, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Bulky, doesn't add much.  I like the current styling a lot better.Excaliburhorn (talk) 16:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible bias

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message: Unless I'm missing something, "The two teams have played 186 times with Georgia Tech holding 101 wins over Georgia's 86 wins." doesn't add up. Auto98uk (talk) 23:12, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Basketball Section

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thread_title:  Plagiarism? 

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message: Why was it moved to and from Thanksgiving Davy? 2600:1700:4AB0:6360:24BB:FDFB:B535:A885 (talk) 00:36, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date