Talk:Heinrich Harrer

message: ...... the german page is much clearer written and includes more details (also the headings and timeline suits probably better). Someone sould translate it back.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.186.126.215 (talk) 23:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
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message: Since he was out of Germany during most of the war, he was not involved in any illegal actions is the wording of one sentence. I find this sentence misleading. First: ``illegal action`` probably was not intended to mean illegal in the legalistic sense (reword it). Second: ``since he was out of Germany``?? So what? --Ben  T/C  12:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  misleading sentence 

message: This has to be one of the most poorly organized Discussion pages that I've seen.  The primary page is quite a contrast to the German language page.  You guys clearly aren't climbers.  The US deports the Nazis typically involved in killing when found.  Harrer wasn't in Europe when he was picked up (very minor).  Such vitriol. 143.232.210.46 (talk) 23:25, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Where' Does one put a comment? 

message: By the start of the war, when Harrer was on a climbing exhibition in British India, the Soviets had already exterminated tens of millions and the Nazis had only killed a few thousand. So all   current and former CP members (beginning about 1932) MUST HAVE KNOWN of the mass-killings of the Soviet  regime. They  gave-at the very least- political support to them, and therefore are far more "guilty" then Harrer-who never even got the chance to engage in perfectly lawful killing in combat.
No. I don't want the Commies rounded up, I just want the less sane Nazi-obsessives to start taking their meds.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.10.12.117 (talk) 03:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Round Up the Commies

message: Harrer as a younger man was a fanatic national socialist, illegal street fighter in Austria for Hitlers stormtroopers since 1933 and as an author of world bestsellers he has never reflected over his involvement. One of his friend was Bruno Beger, SS-war criminal and involved of killing 86 people from the Auschwitz concentration camp. Harrer himself has not killed anybody - but he never discussed his involvement with the Nazis. Like many sportsmen - even todays - he never was able to take over responsibility for social and historical questions. The portray down here is more than whitewashing. If you know details out of his SS-record (National Archives, Washington DC) its nearly funny, how Harrer is described down here. One more fact that wikipedia never will be a source of checked information. Its a propaganda platform in cases like Harrer and others.
Please read the huge article in Vanity Fair from 1997. Down here: 
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoVomit (talk • contribs) 07:31, January 7, 2009
Membership of the Party
This article implies that he had to join the NSDAP to join the SS. Absolute nonsense. Equally, membership of the SA does not automatically imply Party membership...yes many were, but it was not a given fact.
~~Taff~~  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.216.220.36 (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  nazi 

message: Isn't it ridiculous that the article has a whole paragraph for the three weeks Harrer needed to get to the border of Tibet but just one sentence for the 20 months it took him to cross Tibet and reach Lhasa?
And it's all wrong anyway. As told in "7 Years", it was 29 April 1944 after lunch when a group of seven, two disguised as British officers and the others as native Indians, walked out of the camp. Rolf Magener and Heins von Have thought that being fluent in English they had a chance to cross India and reach the "Burma front". The others were Harrer, Aufschnaiter, the Salzburger Bruno Treipel and the Berliners Hans Kopp and Sattler. None of these considered Goa at that time; they all headed for the closest border to Tibet. Via Tibet they too hoped to reach the Japanese in Burma.
In "7 Years" there is no mention of Mussoorie and Landour and of fording the Aglar at Thatyur, only that in the first night Harrer had to wade through the Aglar no less than fourty times. Nor is Deolsari mentioned, nor Harsil, nor Bhaironghati. In Nelang on 10 May Sattler is sick and decides to report to the authorities. Having entered Tibet on 17 May the remaining four split into two groups: Harrer and Kopp, Aufschnaiter and Treipel. On 17 June Treipel is so exhausted that he buys himself a horse and rides back to the lowlands. Several months later, when the remaining three are still without visa for Tibet, Kopp gives up too and leaves to Nepal (where he is within few days handed over to the British).  
--Vsop.de (talk) 20:36, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  From Dehradun into Tibet 

message: July 26, 1938 CLIMBERS CONQUER DREAD EIGER PEAK; Four, Given Up for Lost in Fury of Snowstorm, Reach Top 
:Eigerwand--"the wall of the ogr"--has been no conquered. Two Austrians, Harrer and Fritz ist Kasparek, and two Germans, Voerg and Heckmaier, finished scaling the 6,300-foot precipitous rock wall during yesterday's blinding snowstorm that hid them from view and caused Swiss guides to give them up for lost. They reached Eiger glacier station at nightfall. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]  
:http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FA0B15F73B5C1B7A93C4AB178CD85F4C8385F9&scp=1&sq=eiger%201938&st=cse
sensational 
:http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/switzerland_for_the_record/swiss_records/Conqueror_of_Eiger_North_Face_dies.html?cid=992014
a world sensation, acclaimed in international newspapers and on radio
:http://www.jungfrau.ch/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-46/278_read-1332//
"Heckmeir, Vörg, Kasparek and Harrer made the first ascent of the Eiger North Face from 21 to 24 July 1938. It was a glorious moment in the history of mountaineering and a great sensation, since several climbers had previously perished on the Face." 
:The Big Walls: From the North Face of the Eiger to the South Face of Dhaulagirl by Reinhold Messner (Hardcover - Oct. 2001) p. 105
long considered Europe's greatest mountaineering challenge, headlines, fame
:http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/07/entertainment/main1185582.shtml 
one of the finest moments of alpine mountaineering, heroes
:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1482809/Anderl-Heckmair.html
the Eiger triumph 
:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/10/obituaries/10harrer.html?scp=3&sq=eiger%201938&st=cse
--Vsop.de (talk) 22:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, so how can we say all of these things in an NPOV way? "Sensational" is not NPOV, saying he was the first climber to scale a certain mountain is. Doc Quintana (talk) 23:09, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, you put it in quotation marks, that's fine with me if it's a quote. Doc Quintana (talk) 23:29, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  sensational ascent of Eiger North Face 

message: In the Wiki page devoted to Heinrich Harrer it states that in his later years he was a champion golfer.  Are there any sources that document his golfing achievements?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanuman2545 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heinrich Harrer:  Champion Golfer? 

message: There is very little mentioned about Heinrich's family.  It appears that he had been married three times and does have a son named Peter.  Anyone have some more info about his family life and his son Peter?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanuman2545 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Also there is the matter of his parents.  The article says that he "was born to a postal worker."  At the very least there must have been two postal workers involved.  Maybe one was not a postal worker at all. If his father was a mailman and his mother was a hausfrau this should be clearly indicated. OldMonkeyPuzzle (talk) 02:24, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heinrich Harrer's Family 

message: This is one of his last books and includes a much fuller account of his life than Seven Years in Tibet.  His Nazi past had remained little known for years but came out during the controversy over the film of Seven Years in Tibet.  --GwydionM (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beyond Seven Years in Tibet  

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message: My Father was one of the internees in the Camp Dehra Dun in (then British)India.
The camp was not for prisoners of war, but civil men, like business men, employees of international companies, from merchant ships
and the like. My father was working for the shoe company Bata in Bandung,Java. In the 40th still Nederlands Indie (now Indonesia)
Together with other German and Austrian men he was brought by ship to British India and on to the camp Dehra Dun.
The men were treated well by the British and if the internees gave their word (parole) they were free to take tours into the mountains but promise to be back in the evening. My father did so, and most of the men did so. But Heinrich Harrer did not give parole, therefore he and others were locked up.Probable he was planning to go to Tibet and therefore did not want to lie to the British. Harrer and Abfalter were mountaineers partaking in the epedition to the Nanga Parbat, as they were held up ba the war. Nobody asked any one on their political views. The British were not interested whether any one of the 2000 men were members of any party, The British only were interested if they can trust them.
My father was brought home to Europe by ship and many gifts (7 cases full of warm blanckets and clothings) The blanckets were of such high quality that we used then at home for 25 years.
Elisabeth Vondrous  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8388:A84:8E80:8126:1861:C781:F7A0 (talk) 11:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harrer in Dehra Dun