Talk:List of ethnic groups in China

message: I just disambiguated all the ethnic groups (people seem to move the articles but don't fix the redirects).  Question: is the list in order of population?  If so, this should be noted.  Badagnani 07:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It already says that.  But I just added a reference for it.  - Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 12:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: While a list is nice to look at, where should I go to learn about why China defines 56 ethnic groups? There's got to be some kind of history to this. Which group was the most recent to be officially recognized? And other questions. Xaxafrad 08:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Ethnic minorities in China.  Probably the policy was made post-1949 by the PRC government.  But you have a good point about why 56 were selected, and not more (many others do exist but aren't recognized, or are grouped into other "official") ethnic groups).  And what was the Nationalist government's ethnic policy up to 1949? I think all 56 may have been recognized at the same time.  Badagnani 08:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elaborate 

message: According to a 1999 report posted on the Flags of the World website (Home page: ), each of the officially recognized ethnic groups of China has its own flag: .  Hopefully, at some time in the near future when this vexillological information is accessed, it will be possible to set up a display of each of those flags in this article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keraunos (talk • contribs) 2007-02-03 06:04:39
:Unfortunately, a Google search in Chinese doesn't really turn up anything.  These flags might not be widely used.  Badagnani 06:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm doubting the authenticity of the claim.  Something like that should probably have been mentioned right here in WP already.  Even if the PRC is blocking access to WP, we still have plenty of editors who have been or even grew up in the PRC, people who presumably would have personal knowledge of something like this.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 06:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's likely that at least some of the nationalities (or pro-independence groups like those in Xinjiang) have their own flags, some of which must be suppressed by the government.  From the description of this program, it sounds like many of them did have their own flags.  The nationalities (or Han people dressed in nationality costumes) are featured every year on the CCTV New Year Celebration so maybe the flags would show up on that program.  Badagnani 06:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic flags of the officially recognized ethnic groups of China

message: First of all, the Republic of China does not refer to China, it is a clear fact, thats nothing to argue about. Second, Taiwanese aborigines are not an ethnic group in China. China here refers to the People's Republic of China. Which means that it is wrong to put or to write anything about Taiwanese aborigines under this title - "List of Ethnic Groups in Chiha".
I strongly advise you to rename the title to "List of Ethinic Groups in the People's Republic of China" to avoid confusion. And under this title you may have a subheading in which you will discuss the PRC government recognises Taiwanese aborigines as an ethnic group, called Gaoshan. --—Preceding unsigned comment added by Changchih228 (talk • contribs) 
:Firstly, it is disputable whether or not "China" refers to the Republic of China as well.  There are opposing views on this issue.  But this is a dispute that's better addressed at Political status of Taiwan.  Secondly, even if we are to rename the article to "List of ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China", it still needs to mention the Taiwanese aborigines, because the PRC government officially categorises them.  It's pointless to move it.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not here to present only information that is politically correct.  And again, it is disputed whether or not "China" includes the ROC.  A lot of people think that China include Taiwan as well.  Also, just look at the sources provided on this article, and you'll see that the PRC government categorises Taiwanese aborigines into the Gaoshan group.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good discussion.  I propose to add a sentence at the top of the Gaoshan section which clarifies the fact that the PRC claims the Gaoshan, when in fact it does not actually control this territory now, since 1949.  This is not really made clear as the text stands now.  Badagnani 21:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be sufficient to just add something like that in the section for Taiwanese aborigines.  But I fear inserting text like that is just inviting disputes and other editors will come in here to keep adding onto the text, eventually expanding it into a wordy explanation of Taiwan's political situation.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That's what I meant, the "Taiwanese aborigines" section.  The wording could be very short; the article is simply a list so I don't think long is necessary.  Badagnani 22:03, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Well, of course Hainan is an island as well.  Badagnani 22:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That is a very biased POV.  A lot of people consider Taiwan a part of China.  And it's already explained that the ROC and PRC governments categorise the Taiwanese aborigine groups differently.  Now, it's an undisputed fact that the PRC government categorises them as Gaoshan.  It only makes sense to clarify what that really means in this list.  It makes no difference if the article is renamed, the aborigine section should still be there.  Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 22:14, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it necessary for all sections of article to uniformly follow the PRC's policies for classifying ethnic groups? Doesn't it make more sense, in the case of Taiwan, to reference the ROC government's classifications, since it is the de facto government on the island, and thus ostensibly in the best position to gather and evaluate census data regarding ethnic groups in the territory under its control?Wesmontgom (talk) 16:49, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politically Incorrect 

message: This article should really be split in two - one article for the Republic of China and one for the People's Republic of China. The clarification I added to the opening sentence is really just a band-aid and it sort of awkward.  There is no unanimous agreement as to what constitutes China (though it is usually used to refer to the PRC) so we either need to be clear that the article is about the PRC, or split it into two articles, one covering mainland China and the other covering Taiwan. Readin (talk) 18:18, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The latter wouldn't work, as the Taiwan Aborigines are clearly one of the 54 ethnic groups in the PRC list. Badagnani (talk) 18:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two articles instead of one 

message: Your format had the zh showing, which is why I undid it.  It's unsightly.  Secondly, you should also have traditional Chinese characters.  Even though it is not used in the PRC, overseas Chinese and ROC use them and it is good practice to include them where there are differences.  Anyhow, I agree, Gaoshan are recognised as one of the ethnic groups of the PRC, arbitrary enough because there are many groups that make up the Gaoshan ... but the same could be said of the Li, Dai and many of the Mongolian related groups could be merged.  
Nintala (talk) 05:31, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You can add traditional, just don't remove the links. Badagnani (talk) 05:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't say overseas Chinese use them. There is also a huge amount of mainland Chinese outside China. The US is a different story. --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:23, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Traditional and Simplified

message: This link says that in 1999 someone saw a broadcast of an event called “Games of Nationalities in China” and that 54 recognized minorities or nationalities marched each under their own flags.   Could someone who knows Chinese go to Baidu and see if they can find the ethnic flag of each of the recognized nationalities of the People’s Republic of China, and possibly download a link to this information into this article?  TV Broadcast of “Games of Nationalities in China” with display of ethnic flags of the recognized Chinese minorities: Keraunos (talk) 09:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is just a copy from the English Wikipedia article with the same name. There is no Chinese character in the original text. Dreamer in Utopia (talk) 08:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Tibetans are not an 'ethnic group' of China. Tibet never has been and never will be part of China. It is an illegally occupied separate nation. 90.205.92.229 (talk) 06:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Stop spreading your propaganda. Tibet is part of China, every map shows it. Are you American? I could also say the US is illegally occupied nation. You must give back the land to the Native Americans! History is history, you can't change it. --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

text: That is fascinating; I think we really need to get hold of these flag images, no matter how we do it. The original post at Flags of the World was in 1999 and that's too long to wait. Badagnani (talk) 00:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They could be ad hoc rather than standardized or official. Note the third pic shows a flag which is simply red characters on a yellow background; the one character visible is 治 which is probably part of 自治 (autonomous) in the name of one of the autonomous areas of China. (correction: English caption already says Tibet Autonomous Region) --JWB (talk) 04:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Could be. Many American Indian tribes have flags, and some of them number only in the hundreds. Some Chinese ethnic groups are in the millions. So it wouldn't be unusual if some of them had flags. Badagnani (talk) 05:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  The flag in the link above are Tibet Autonomous Region in Chinese character printed on the flag. There aren't really any ethnic flag for all 56 and the ones that mentioned on 1999 with each ethnic marching under their "ethnic flag" are just probably the name of their ethnic group on a flag. Yes it's that simple.--LLTimes (talk) 19:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ethnic flags of Chinese ethnic groups

message: Where can I get other census results 1940-90 years with ethnic population?--Kaiyr (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Other census results

message: Where can I get census results 2010 year of People's Republic of China with ethnic population?--Kaiyr (talk) 02:32, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  census results 2010

message: It coukd be updated for 2010 http://www.stats.gov.cn/tjsj/pcsj/rkpc/6rp/excel/A0201.xls --Kaiyr (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 2010 

message: I would like to have language family as an additional table column, e.g. Sino-Tibetan, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Altaic, etc. The ethnic group definition was based on language. --JWB (talk) 20:26, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language family 

message: "Due to the contested political status and legal status of Taiwan, the PRC classification of Taiwanese aborigines may be controversial."
I don't get this sentence. What does the legal status of Taiwan have to do with the PRC classification of Taiwanese aborigines? Because the PRC doesn't know Taiwan well enough to put these people in groups? But how is this controversial? --2.245.216.226 (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sentence 

message: Ayi people listed, but Nu already in table.. comp.arch (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayi people = Nu? 

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message: The Chinese people include Han Chinese and 55 minorities. To say Chinese means only Han in English was unsourced, illogical and contradicts the dictionary, every other reference work including other Wikipedia articles. Travelmite (talk) 01:57, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Han is not equivalent to "Chinese" in English

message: Can mention of the Torghut people be added to this article? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 08:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article: Torghut

message: To add to this article:  are the Akha people one of the 56 officially recognized ethnic groups in the People's Republic of China?  If not, which ethnic group are they categorized as being part of? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:40, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

message: Shouldn't we mention in this article that, at first after coming to power in 1949, the Chinese government only recognized 41 Chinese ethnic groups (with the number 56 only being reached in 1982)? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 14:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  At first, only 41