Talk:Mary's Well

message: I just wanted to thank everyone who has helped in formatting and contributing to this page. This is the first page that I created on Wikipedia and I very much appreciate all of you helping to make it look and be better. Warm regards, Tiamut 13:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: The place is in Israel which is already in the region of Palestine if that's what the cat Palestine meant. No place for another Palestine category in this case. Amoruso 14:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mary's Well was used by Palestinian Arabs. It is located in a Palestinian Arab town in Israel. The external link provided to Palguide is a reliable source that establishes the connection to Palestinian history at the very least. Accordingly, I have added the .Tiamut 21:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Am I the only one who doubts the Rosicrucians are a reliable source for historical information? 65.213.77.129 (talk) 13:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
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message: I removed text sourced on a novel written as an interview with a 1st-century Essene. How much lower can Wiki fall?
Google Books about the author: "Dolores Cannon is a past-life regressionist and hypnotherapist who specializes in the recovery and cataloging of "Lost Knowledge"." I see. Of course.
Here is the removed material. Maybe part of it was based on other sources and can be somehow recycled. Good luck and may the Force be with you!
:An underground spring in Nazareth traditionally served as the city's main water source for several centuries, possibly millennia; however, it was not always referred to as "Mary's well" or "Mary's spring".  In his book, The Bible as History, Werner Keller writes that "Mary's Well" or "Ain Maryam", as the locals called it, had been so named since "time immemorial" and that it provided the only water supply in the area. Arminden (talk) 10:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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message: I have removed from the article a sub-standard and possibly unrelated paragraph. Here it is, for possible recycling.
I have now placed back a shorter sub-section, with the basic info on possibly related installations. Pls mind that water could have been drawn directly from the spring, or the outlet now inside the church (17 m from the actual spring), so not from the well located another 130 m downhill.
The initial material looks like having been added by an interested local party, with no editing (or academic) experience: both this and the main article, Ancient Bath House of Nazareth, look similar - and similarly un-encyclopedic.
Issues:
* Is there any connection between fountain, bathhouse, and Christian tradition? That a bathhouse placed along an ancient road makes use of a good water source makes perfect sense. But that does not connect it in any way to the Marian tradition.
* Carbondating didn't offer any date older than the late-Crusader, or more likely, Mamluk period.
* Other archaeological work looks thoroughly inconclusive at best, and contradicting any pre-Crusader date at worst.
* 1st-century Nazareth was tiny and didn't reach so far (nor did it in the 19th c., for that matter). A "Roman bath used by Jesus" seems highly farfetched.
The material:
"Bathhouse"
In the late 1990s, a local Nazareth couple, Elias and Martina Shama, were trying to discover the source of a water leak in their gift shop, Cactus, just in front of Mary's Well.SHACHAM, Tzvi. 2012. Bathhouse from the Crusader Period in Nazareth in Kreiner, R & W. Letzner (eds.). SPA. SANITAS PER AQUAM. Tagungsband des Internationalen Frontinus-Symposums zur Technik und Kulturgeschichte der antike Thermen. Aachen, 18-22. Marz 2009 : 319-326. BABESCH SUPPL. 21 Digging through the wall, they discovered underground passages that, upon further digging revealed a vast underground complex. A North American research team conducted high-resolution ground penetrating radar (GPR) surveys at a number of locations in and around Mary's Well in 2004–5 to determine appropriate locations for further digging to be conducted beneath the bathhouse. Samples were collected for radio-carbon dating and the initial data from GPR readings seem to confirm the presence of additional subterranean structures.
In 2003, archaeologist Richard Freund stated his belief that the site was clearly of Byzantine origins: "I am sure that what we have here is a bathhouse," he says, "and the consequences of that for archaeology, and for our knowledge of the well, are enormous."
Carbon 14 dating was done on 3 samples of charcoal, each was found to come from a very different time period, indicating the bath house had been used in multiple periods, and at least was used sometime between 1300 and 1400 CE. Arminden (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Ancient bathhouse