Talk:Auto racing

message: Illegal street racing is not drag racing.
This sentence seems to be wrong and ill-placed on many levels.
First, street racing in general can take many forms of auto racing (of which drag racing is the most popular). This is like saying "drinking is illegal in some countries" as opposed to "drinking alcohol is illegal in some countries".
Second, drag racing, as defined in the article itself, constitutes covering a straight distance of a given length in the shortest amount of time, the distance traditionally being the quarter mile. No part of the term 'illegal street racing' is in opposition of that definition. I have removed this sentence from the article, please reply here if you disagree.
GodGell 02:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd disagree. "Street racing", by definition, differs from drag racing, which is sanctioned & run on controlled tracks. Trekphiler 03:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Yopu're absolutely right! Auto racing is only a fraction of the whole spectrum of motorsports and even then is IMO an unusual term worldwide. German and Spanish Wikis among other too have auto racing articles, but they also have motorsport articles in general. There should be seperate "motorsport" article with a link to the sub-species. The Rre-direct is just wrong 213.243.182.3 21:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What you call off-road racing is not off-road racing. Off-road is rallycross and autocross. Baja races and the Paris-Dakar Rally are called Cross-Country Rallies, which isn't the same as rallying either. --Pc13 08:27, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: From the article:

message: I note that autosport redirects here. I would say that to British motorsport fans, and probably to European enthusiasts in general, the word Autosport overwhelmingly means the weekly motorsport-related magazine of that title rather than the sport itself, and since there is an article for F1 Racing magazine, I'd say there should be one for the much more widely read Autosport. Possibly it could go Autosport (magazine), with a disambiguation page at autosport, or at least a note about this other usage of the word? There's also a Motor Sport magazine in the UK, but this is less important. Autosport, however, has considerable influence, and surely deserves an article. Loganberry 23:00, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is that when an article for the magazine is created it should be at Autosport with a disambig note to the auto racing article. SamH 10:22, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Autosport magazine 

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message: Some of the facts are a little mixed up as it is now written. A better writer than me will need to fix it. There was an exhibition race on November 2, 1896, from Jackson Park in Chicago to Waukegan and back (about 90 miles) but there were only two cars--the Duryea car and a German-built Benz. The Duryea crashed near Evanston and left only the Benz to finish. The actual race was on November 28 and scheduled for the same length but because of heavy snow was shortened from Jackson Park to Evanston and back (about 50 miles). Six cars started the race, two electric, three gasoline powered Benzs, and the gasoline powered Duryea. Only one of the German cars finished the race, and neither of the electrics. Duryea won the race, an hour and a half or so ahead of the remaining Benz. Of course all of this ignores the Great Steam Car Race of 1878.12.74.168.251 04:43, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The first American automobile race

message: If anyone is interested, there is a dedicated [Motorsport Wiki] currently under development. Any contributions from wikipedians is very much apreciated! MonkeyMumford 20:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motorsport Wiki 

message: Parts of this article have a UK-centric feel, which is somewhat ironic considering the American-English title. Note the following sentences:
*"Single-seater (open-wheel) racing is perhaps the most well-known form of motorsport." (That's not the case in the U.S., where NASCAR is far and away the best-known form of auto racing.) 
*"The best-known variety of single-seater racing is the Formula One World Championship." (Probably true worldwide, but in the U.S., it would be IRL or Champcars. Maybe it should say "Outside of the U.S.")  Mwalcoff 04:41, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This article as a whole sucks, as it is a merry muddled jumbled mess of mish-moshed sections which have little to no cohesion. But, this article is definitely not UK-centric, it is instead reflective of worldwide perspectives on motorsports. The best-known variety of motorsports worldwide is single-seaters, and the best-known variety of single-seater racing worldwide is Formula 1. NASCAR and IRL/Champ Cars, while big in the US, are decidedly small-time on the rest-of-the-world stage. FCYTravis 05:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but I'm inclined to agree touring car is a variant of NASCAR, which dates to 1949, & not the reverse.  Trekphiler 03:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: i don't think many people would agree touring car racing is a variant of NASCAR (i would consider both to be too fundamentally different to be considered a variant of the other), even if it were a desendant, which i am not aware of. I think Mwalcoff's very suggestion is terribly US-centric, there always seems a need to point out any difference where the US position is different to that of the rest of the world, but not from any other country.
i wouldn't be so sure of the 'correctness' of the statement brought into question however; is F1 coverage/following (which, surely represents 90%+ of single-seater racing following, atleast in EU), greater than the combined following of Rally racing + touring car + NASCAR, and the various other lesser two+ seater racing forms.. ~ Bungalowbill  —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 06:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anglo-centric? 

message: Dear Sir/Madam:
I'd like to understand auto racing rules (about which I know nothing at present). You seem to have no article on the subject, and the one about FIA lists no rules.
So please add an article explaining the rules of this sport.
Thank you very much!
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.41.31.53 (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add an article on auto racing rules 

message: There should be two articles for race car driver and race car. The racing driver article should include descriptions of what does one and how they have evolved along the history, and the race car needs all the car types and the history of their evolution. What do you say? -- NaBUru38 19:01, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New pages for driver and car 

message: Under the drag race section the following is included, "Average street cars cover the ¼ mile (400 m) anywhere from 15 to 20 seconds..."  I am not an expert at all but that seems like a real long time.  Just checking.  Rugz 16:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not. That's about typical. And recall, cars that can't run 13s don't even require helmets under NHRA rules.  Trekphiler 03:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  error? 

message: I'm not highly knowlegable about drag racing, but I think this opening statement is misleading.
In drag racing, the objective is to complete a certain distance — traditionally ¼ mile (400 m), though 1/8 mile {200m} has become popular since the 1990s — in the shortest possible time.
As I understand it, the objective of drag racing is to beat the other car to the finish the line.  Depending on reaction time, in a professional class, the winning car could have a longer ET than the losing car.  Or, in the case of sportsman racing, the winning car could take longer to complete the distance.  I think it would be more clear to say this:
In drag racing, the objective is to complete a given straight-line distance, from a standing start, ahead of a vehicle in a parallel lane.  This distance is traditionally ¼ mile (400 m), though 1/8 mile {200m} has become popular since the 1990s.  The vehicles may or may not be given the signal to start at the same time, depending on the class of racing.--Tedd 18:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That doesn't quite do it either - it doesn't take into consideration dial-your-own-time racing. A vehicle crossing the line first may break out (go faster than the dialled-in time), therefore lose, even if the other car is much, much slower. I'd suggest removing most of the info about drag racing as it has its own wiki entry.
Motorracer (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drag Racing Objective 

message: Do we really need a picture like this in the infobox?
I believe the infobox picture should represent what is immediately thought of when the term "Auto racing" is brought to mind and should represent auto racing is an as generalized form as possible -- while this current WRC picture may be neat in many ways, it does not in any way represent the majority of racing!
Rally cars do not represent the majority of racing, and rally cars flipping over and worse, driving on two wheels (!) is very rare indeed. This is not a circus or stunt article! Why is this picture there? Is it some kind of joke? Or did some fanboy of WRC and the Peugeot 206 put it there?
The picture should NOT be Rally of any kind, Rally is one of the few genres of auto racing where the cars do not actually compete simultaneously.
The picture should be of the starting grid of e.g. F1, GP2, Indy Car, Nascar, GT, JGTC or something like that.
Why starting grid? Because in the majority of racing race cars compete simultaneously against each other.
Please remove this picture and put something even remotely appropriate there, it just looks silly.
Posix memalign (talk) 04:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely agree, and moreover, the picture of an accident in progress is a very negative representation of the sport. Would an article on football contain a picture of a footballer lying on the ground after a successful tackle? --Falcadore (talk) 09:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox picture 

message: Surely we should have a separate page which deals with motorsport sanctioning bodies globally as opposed to a potentially ever-expanding list of external links at the bottom of this page. Some of the links don't even need to be there as they already have Wiki entries (e.g. FIA, National Hot Rod Association, etc). I propose we make a separate category/page that deals with these on a global basis and open the submissions from other countries. Then each sanctioning body could eventually have its own Wiki entry, kind of like what happens for List of auto racing tracks.
Motorracer (talk) 00:02, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: There should be an article about motor racing bans, such as that imposed by the Swiss until 2007 and the one proposed by Italy (which made Ferrari withdraw from some competitions).  Anyone fancy making it?  91.110.130.32 (talk) 19:13, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ban 

message: The above sections should have more detail on how the various classes and flagship races came about. It should also be clear on what the differences are. This lack of info has led to a lot of merger moves on the daughter articles Vinay84 (talk) 03:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: History and classifications sections: Woefully inadequate

message: race car redirects here, but little is said about the actual cars, shouldn't it have its own article? 98.206.155.53 (talk) 16:58, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  racecar 

message: A discussion is in progress at WP:MOTOR about possibly renaming this article. Please contribute any views you may have at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#Rename Auto racing?. DH85868993 (talk) 02:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible rename 

message: === First formal race ===
Re: this sentence about the 1895 race:
:the Paris–Bordeaux–Paris race is sometimes considered the first formal automobile race since all competitors started together.
This is confusing, even if they were racing against the clock it would still be a real race. Many races are clock based. The 1894 race really does seem to be the first formal race, as a spectator sport and not a gentleman's bet. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Dubious

message: Re: this sentence about the 1895 race:
:the Paris–Bordeaux–Paris race is sometimes considered the first formal automobile race since all competitors started together.
This is confusing, even if they were racing against the clock it would still be a real race. Many races are clock based. The 1894 race really does seem to be the first formal race, as a spectator sport and not a gentleman's bet. Green Cardamom (talk) 03:47, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  First formal race 

message: Surely there is a more appropriate title for this in the infobox at the top. I can't think of one off the top of my head but "first played" doesn't seem to me to be the correct term for motorsport. Bigdon128 (talk) 20:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it to "first contested". DH85868993 (talk) 14:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the word I was looking for, thank you very much. Bigdon128 (talk) 21:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: First Played?

message: I do not agree with the conclusion that detaining the victory to de Dion vehicle was caused by it's need of a stoker. While it is often heard that it was not easy to handle (gasoline cars at this time weren't, either), it in fact didn't need a stoker. One of the prime achievements of the patented boiler (invented by Bouton and Trépardoux in 1882-1883) was, that it allowed handling by a single person. Anyway, it is somewhat strange that a vehicle needing a forbidden stoker was allowed to start at all; already the pre-selection run (which was, iirc, also won by de Dion) should have proved it's irregularity. Is it possible that it was an act of arbitrary by Giffard? He and the count de Dion had developed a deep antagonism over the Dreyfuss affair, which was settled quite publicly before.--Chief tin cloud (talk) 12:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Paris–Rouen: the world's first motoring contest

message: I've created a wiki page regarding the Race Wars events occurring in Royal City, Washington. The section on drag racing may be a good place to include a link to Race Wars-let me know what you think! --Rachbr95 (talk) 08:55, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drag Racing Section 

message: I don't know too much about this field, but was wondering if some more knowledgeable users can comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Bolian.  I'm getting concerned since the AfD hasn't generated any real discussion and there was just a round of anon ip edits which appear to be bordering on WP:MEAT violations.  Users with knowledge of auto-racing would be welcome for their comments. -O.R.Comms 17:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have advertised the AfD at the Motorsport WikiProject and the Automobiles WikiProject. DH85868993 (talk) 20:07, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please help with AfD 

message: There's a draft outline for this topic at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of auto racing. There's a RM request on the talk page as well about moving the page to draftspace if anyone cares. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft outline 

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message: From the first sentence: "Auto racing ... is a motorsport."
Does this mean auto racing is a sport itself, distinct from motorcycle sport, and if so what is the relation to the sport, motorsport, if that is a sport? It's not clear. Thanks. Rally Wonk (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two sports?