Talk:Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña

message: I just want to sincerely congratulate you both. Never have I had editors so quickly and efficiently work to improve an article during a hold. Good work! VanTucky Talk 22:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for review. - Caribbean~H.Q. 22:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hold completed; passed GA nomination

message: I added one sentence and a reference to a recent WSJ article on the pardons.  The anon keeps removing it.  I am not in a mood for the edit war.  Please voice your opinion here if the sentence has a place to be on this page. Mhym (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I support keeping the information. Seems relevant enough. --Agüeybaná 23:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WSJ article 

message: In the History section I corrected some names, and added a little on the people the FALN requested to be released in their communique.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aseidave (talk • contribs) 03:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expanded pardons

message: This is not a good article in my book, but it is relatively better than most here.  I came here wanting to learn and find out WHY did president Bill Clinton pardon certain members of the FALN?  Why?????  I would like to understand the purpose behind the pardon.  
thanks,
James  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesZeller (talk • contribs) 20:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Glaring omission

message: Why is this not in the article? Did any of them take Clinton up on it, or did they refuse, or was the offer withdrawn?Pokey5945 (talk) 22:53, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Consequences of clemency offer

message: Just look at the incidents section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8d:8780:3a73:69e0:2688:2cdb:1209 (talk) 02:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shouldn't this be classified as a terrorist organization? 

message: "Puerto Rico's governor, Pedro Rossello, placed the island's National Guard on alert after the National Armed Liberation Force (FALN) warned it planned violent action in to support the [Vieques] protesters." - "Thousands demonstrate against use of Vieques by Pentagon"; Luis Torres de la Llosa; May 5, 2000  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:285:301:2C20:DD72:F1DC:B3A1:DDE9 (talk) 04:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did the FALN really end operations in 1983? 

message: What sources use the name Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña, and why is this article not at Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (Puerto Rico)? SandyGeorgia (Talk)  18:44, February 26, 2023 (UTC)
: As you may noticed I restored the comment you had first added but which you then subsequently deleted. The reason is the explanation you gave for the delete is not valid. Let me explain what I mean by not valid. First of all, I am 110% convinced you made both your original edit and its subsequent removal edit entirely in good faith. Where I feel you missed the mark is in your edit summary comment of 19:58, 26 February 2023, here, where you stated "found [a source for the name "Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña"], eg https://www.latinamericanstudies.org/puertorico/FALN-1.pdf)".
:The problem, you see, is that the website you entered, https://www.latinamericanstudies.org, is a self-published source and thus a non reliable source with the consequential result that your original talk page edit was correct but its subsequent removal was, let's say, unintentionally non-beneficial.
:IAE, I wanted to let you know 2 things: (1) that because the site is SPS I reverted removed the alleged logo/flag of the FALN organization, for that logo/flag came from that same SPS site and I haven't found any support for that as the logo/flag of the FALN Puertorriqueña in any RS elsewhere, and (2) that the logo/flag in question was, in fact, the only place in the entire article that called the organization "Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña". This, then, brings back to the surface your original concern of why not just Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (Puerto Rico) which, like you in your original inquiry I, too, think is the proper name for this article. 
:That said, if you want, go ahead and move the article to Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional (Puerto Rico) and you will have my full support. Thanks and best regards, Mercy11 (talk) 00:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't want to rock the boat but I just thought the name absolutely strange.  But I won't be the one to make the move ... would want to see more sources.  I haven't looked in to whether there were past discussions, or how this came to be.  Is there a strong WikiProject that might help ?  Is there missing background?  I have a strong hunch that you are right, Mercy11, and the article is misnamed.  SandyGeorgia (Talk)  02:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Noticed that even the Spanish Wikipedia doesn't do this. SandyGeorgia (Talk)  02:30, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You can leave a message at the WikiProject Puerto Rico here if that's what you were looking for (it's the same WikiProject Puerto Rico page used to notify the WP Proj members of the delist nomination. As for sources, please see my recent edits in the history section of the article. I came across this article many, many years ago, and always suspected something fishy with it, and this year decided to delve into it and it was then that I discovered that the two sources used for over 95% of the article were sources to SPS. They article fooled me for many many years, with those 2 sources and in particular the purported lationamericanstudies site. This is how I immediately recognized what you went thru that lead you to the reversal of your Talk Page comment based on that fake latinamericanstudies site, because I had experienced the same thing before. In fact, several other editors must have (tacitly) agreed with me bc, if you look at the article's history, you will see that within 1-2 days of my recent thousands-bytes-of-text-reverts in that article, they (I was never involved) brought up the article for delisting as a GA, a level it had been at for almost a decade. BTW, another article I am going to be looking at very closely is Boricua Popular Army as the 2 articles were apparently created around the same time (~2007) and I suspect many of the same editors were involved in both.  IAE, I have no problem moving this article to its rightful location, if you can't get to it for now, but won't do it for at least a few days so as to give a chance to anyone else watching to chime in. Mercy11 (talk) 03:44, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: How about letting this thread sit for a few days then, and if no one weighs in, I would be willing to move?  Ping me if I forget pls?  (quite busy elsewhere; it was GAR where I saw this). SandyGeorgia (Talk)  03:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name