Talk:Lincoln MKZ

message: Hello, folks. I'd just like to ask why this article was moved from Lincoln Zephyr in the first place. Regardless of what it's going to become in the future, the fact is, right now the Lincoln MKZ doesn't exist, but the Lincoln Zephyr does. I think it was a premature and imprudent choice to move the article, and so I propose that it is returned to Lincoln Zephyr. Thanks in advance for your input. Airline 00:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: If you would check the power ratings for the duratec 35 V6 engine you will see that it has actually been rated at around 270/275 hp and 250 or so lb ft of torque. I don't know the exact numbers but if you google it you'll be sure to find it, i remember reading this on www.jalopnik.com, as well as autoblog, and edmunds inside line or karl on cars blog (This unsigned comment was left by 68.73.7.219)
:Sorry - but the current "official" numbers released by Ford are 263 hp @ 6250 rpm and 249 lb-ft  @ 4500 rpm, with a 6,700 rpm redline .  Anything beyond that is unfounded, unverifiable, unofficial speculation - regardless of the source - and not worthy of the Wikipedia, which is supposed to be based on verifiable fact.  This is an Encyclopedia - not a speculation ragsheet or personal blog page.  Let's keep to the official numbers, and update them if and when Ford does.  Thank you.  --T-dot 01:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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message: The Lincoln MKZ will use the same AISIN transmission in the Zephyr not the 6F transmission.  If you go to the Ford Media webpage the gear rations for the 2007 MKZ and 2006 Zephyr are the same.  The MKX will be using the 6F transmission and it has a different set of gear ratios.  Also I work for Ford and the sourcing guide shows that the 6F is only being used in the Edge/MKX for 2007.
:You're right. You should have changed it and given your reason. I changed it. - Wizmo 22:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: I think that we should merge this article with Lincoln MKZ, leaving this page as a re-direct so that anyone searching for the Zephyr will be redirected to the MKZ.  The article needs to be expanded, but how can you expand the article when the car was just made for one year, and then technically just renamed.  I say merge the two, making sure it still says Lincoln's car for this platform was called the Zephyr originally and after the first model year changed to the MKZ.  If it is written properly it will look just fine. 67.59.10.54 02:54, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was also a Lincoln Zephyr back in the 1930s so you can't turn that article into a redirect. Regards, Signaturebrendel 03:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if perhaps we should think about setting up the current Lincoln Zephyr article to be "only" about the classic Zephyr from the 30's, with a disambiguation note at the top saying "see Lincoln MKZ for info on the 2006 Zephyr".  Or perhaps have a very short summary paragraph about the 2006 Zephyr at the bottom of the current Zephyr article, along with a small picture and note to "see Lincoln MKZ for full details...".  I think it makes sense in the long run for "most" of the '06 Zephyr info to appear with the '07 MKZ info, for comparisons.  Maybe think about renaming Lincoln Zephyr article as "Lincoln Zephyr (classic car)" - something of that sort, and set up a disambiguation page with separate links to the classic version and the '06 version - for those folks that type in "Lincoln Zephyr" or "Zephyr" in the search box.  And maybe rename the Lincoln MKZ article as "Lincoln MKZ / Zephyr".  If only Lincoln had left the name as Zephyr more than just one model year - but as it stands the '06 Zephyr has much more in common with the '07 MKZ than with the classic Zephyr, and I think we ought to set up the wiki-articles that way.  Just my viewpoint - not going to do anything without a formidable consensus.  --T-dot 18:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I your second ides is best; leaving the Zephyr article largely to the 1930s classic while having a short summary paragraph at the bottom w/ a link to the MXZ article. Best Regards, Signaturebrendel 03:26, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

text: That definitely is a possbility. I do prefer having a short summary paragraph sentence at the bottom, though I am open to the idea of a link on top. Regards, Signaturebrendel 03:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think either idea would work, but definitely don't see a need for each the 06 Zephyr and the 07 MKZ do have their own pages. IFCAR 00:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the Lincoln Zephyr article actually deals with the 1930s Lincoln Zpehyr not exclusively with the '06 Zephyr. The prposal I agreed to above says that we just have a small summary at the bottom of the classic 1930s Lincoln Zephyr article that mention the '06 Zephyr and MKZ. Regards, SignaturebrendelNow under review! 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree completely. Wizmo 23:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The modern Zephyr should be merged with the MkZ. Because it is only one model year, people will eventually begin calling it the MkZ and having that go to Zephyr will be confusing at best.--Analogue Kid 15:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger 

message: Lincoln LS
Lincoln MKZ
Lincoln Town Car
My contention is that these images are not in the normal formatting convention of wikpedia. I tried to look elsewhere, but I can't find any instances where someone has butchered a picture like this for the sake of formatting. The person doing the inserts claims it is better than a candid street shot. Too much POV and artistic endeavour? 
What say you?
CJ DUB 20:19, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: POV? Too much creativity? Well, perhaps by extremely bourgeois standards ;-). But this is WP we don't hold on to some kind of doctrine like insecure turtles, we are pragmatic and open to innovation. The images are prefereable over the usual on-the-street crap. Just because other articles don't have images as fancy doesn't mean these articles can't have them. That said, I plan on using a white background in the future. Signaturebrendel 20:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I already said, that I will chage the backgrounds to white. A White background is preferable to a on-the-parking-lot shot w/ shopping carts in the background. Signaturebrendel 19:04, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia doesn't work by popular vote. The above comments are mainly opposed to the rainbow images which you can revert. White background images will, however, stay and gradually replace more and more of the rather un-professional parking lot shots. Another alternative is too blur the background so other cars and disturbing little objects such as shopping carts are no longer visible. Signaturebrendel 17:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I mentioned this elsewhere, but I'll repeat it since the discussion seems to be here. The goal is to have free images that are equivalent to a factory promotional photograph. This means they will either have a neutral, natural background, like this or a doctored white background like this. I prefer the first style, but since that necessitates an owner willing to have his vehicle photographed those are rare. --Sable232 18:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. Personally I prefer the high quality natural backgrounds (such as this) as well and see doctored white backgrounds as the best alternative when high quality natural shots arn't available. I will not re-insert the rainbow pics (as they weren't well received) but instead I will replace some of parking lot shots w/ simple white backgrounds. Again, it seem that we see eye to eye on this :-) Signaturebrendel 18:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Just merged the Zephyr article with the MKZ, I have saved the Zephyr article on my user page in case anyone has any complaints.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laxplayer630 (talk • contribs) 02:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As far as I can see, this merger is nonexistent. There is not a single reference or note that the Zephyr was previously produced. From what it looks like, this car first came out in 2006/2007, which wouldn't make sense since Gregorie designed the Zephyr, and he died in 2002. Someone needs to fix this article, or undo the merger. 130.127.78.139 21:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged 

message: Why is there no separate article for the Zephyr when it has an extremely long history of being one of the predominate luxury cars in the 1930s? Second, this article follows no standards in having a "slashie" title. See for example, how the Porsche 911 article is laid out. Rizla 17:55, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing on the history of the zephyr 

message: Was there AWD in 2006? the old Zephyr infobox said yes, but other info in the article suggests no. I'm inclined to think no and am going to change that info in the infobox until otherwise shown.
To clarify this note, I wiped 3 infoboxes into one, since the Zephyr and MKZ are essentially the same vehicle, and did not need three very similar infoboxes. Article is much better now. TheHYPO (talk) 03:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  AWD in 2006? 

message: It is most clearly a hatchback. About.com is not an acceptable source, IMHO. Stardude82 (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
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message: It's a Lincoln, after all. But I keep getting reverted when I add "luxury" 137.25.35.93 (talk) 22:42, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: While it is a luxury car, that isn't the vehicle size class - i.e. "mid-size car". --Sable232 (talk) 01:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: But the Lexus ES is considered a midsize luxury car. It's literally the same size and a competitor. 137.25.35.93 (talk) 03:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Tough call.  I agree that the Lexus ES is the best analogy to the Lincoln MKZ.  It's based on a mainstream brand's mid-size car (Fusion vs. Camry), but sold under their luxury brand (Lincoln vs. Lexus).  They're about the same size too.  It really is about the same size as an executive car, but it's not really fair to compare it to European luxury car classes since it's not sold in Europe, is it?  Also, there's the argument that the first generation MKZ/Zephyr wasn't really luxury because it was so close in design to the Fusion/Milan.  But I think that at the very least the 2nd gen MKZ should be called a mid-size luxury sedan. --Vossanova o< 15:54, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the MKZ not considered luxury?