Talk:William Longsword

message: How do we disambiguate William Longsword, Earl of Salisbury?  RickK 04:26, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This is now the Duke of Normandy's page.  William Longsword is a disambig page.  Srnec 01:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambiguation

message: Regarding Richard's title: He was not, of course, the "duke" of Normandy, but the title I've seen associated with him in various sources is "patrician." And I wonder what the source is for calling him a "jarl"; is that just an assumption because of his Scandinavian roots? --Michael K. Smith 00:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Title

message: He was born overseas in one of the many Viking territories before his father Rollo settled in northern France.
I don't think so. Hrolf was in Normandy in the late 880s, and even if he made trips backhome, he appears to have been in Normandy to stay shortly after 900. I can't cite a source off the top of my head for this, but I thought it was generally accepted that William wad born illegitimately c.910 in the vicinity of Rouen. And was his mother not known as Poppa "of Bayeux"? --Michael K. Smith 00:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Birth

message: This link no longer appears to be good.
*Planctus for William
Fixed, moved back to article. Bearpatch (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link 

message: A question came up regarding citing the article by Katherine Keats-Rohan [Poppa of Bayeux, TAG 72, No. 4, pp. 187 – 204] which I originally used it to present her solution, which showed both traditional views of Poppa’s parentage were actually compatible. Agricolae left a comment to the effect that it created too much detail and was a ‘pet theory’ and moved the citation. Regardless, this caused me to reread the article . In doing so I determined  that, while her solution is quoted by other authors, it is in fact an original theory—a unique analysis of previously published sources—and as such would seem to violate the WP:NOR policy. In any case to avoid this potential problem I simplified the sentences and removed this particular citation. I also added better quality published sources. Bearpatch (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not my understanding of the NOR policy - she conducted original research and presented her findings, we were very briefly summarizing those findings (that she presented possible reconstructions).  Christian Settipani also carried out an analysis and came up with an alternative scenario.  Citing one and not the other made no sense. Os to being OR, it is no different than citing Douglas' English Historical Review article on Rollo - he also did original research and published his findings.  As to the way it now reads, we really should give the dates of the sources - that the Annals of Jumieges are from more than a century after Dudo's writings, and more than two centuries after what is being described.  Further, the Annals of Jumieges are derivitive - it was the Annals of Rouen that first presented this supposed parentage of Poppa, which first reported this (otherwise unknown to history) count Guy of Senlis. It would be better to give the true earliest origin of this information. The history of the question, including both Settipani and Keats-Rohan hypotheses, are discussed on the Baldwin page (and as an FASG, he qualifies as an expert, and it is (at least nominally) peer reviewed, so it qualifies as a WP:RS). Agricolae (talk) 21:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Keats-Rohan Poppa of Bayeux reference

message: I suggest that the "I" is superfluous.  This can only disambiguate him from William the Conqueror and William Adelin, which do not have a number. PatGallacher (talk) 13:31, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: There are several variations for the name of William's sister, including Gerletta mentioned in Gerloc's cited source. Maybe anyway it and articles in other languages entitled Gerloc should accord with the French article Adèle de Normandie (morte en 962) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad%C3%A8le_de_Normandie_(morte_en_962) with (Rollo's daughter) replacing the year since that's not certain. Mcljlm (talk) 00:17, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gerloc