Talk:Nastaliq

message: is this quote too long to include in full? "an Arabic script developed about the 15th century, characterized by a tendency to slope downward from right to left, and used mainly for Persian poetical writings and in Urdu and Malay manuscript" from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nastaliq Irtapil (talk) 08:28, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: quote

message: Does anyone think that a differnt sentence should be used for the line given as examples of Nasta'liq script? The translation is: 'My name is Krishna Gopal, and I like drinking alcohol day or night.' Although quite funny I think a different example would be better. 
(the above wasn't signed)
lol, is that still it? i'll check that, and if still inappropriate i'll change it to the word Nastaliq if i can work out how, but i can only do it in noto nastaliq font. Does anyone knows of a good non-copyright example? Maybe from the gallery? Irtapil (talk) 06:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Content on Nasta'liq example

message: I created a new comparison image with text from Ghalib's poetry. Mustaqbal 22:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparison Image 

message: The previous text was very incomplete. Now, I believe, 
it looks better. If anyone knows anything about the history of 
Nastaliq in Pakistan or Turkey, please add it. 
Long live!
Mtdashti 13:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the history of the script in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. I think we still need some help with Turkey, though. Stallions2010 21:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Have rewritten the whole story

message: This article needs help: ShahmukhiThe script is used for writing Punjabi in Pakistan. It's pretty much Nasta'liq with a different name. I can do the history section, but please, if anyone can help out, do so. Especially the Persian speakers who know much about traditional Nasta'liq. Thanks. Stallions2010 21:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shahmukhi 

message: It isn't true that vowel diacritics are never written in Nasta'liq. In Urdu they are used in materials for children, in dictionaries, and other contexts where it is desired to make precise the pronounciation. The use of vowel markers is independent of the difference in styles of writing. Except for the Qur'an, Arabic in the nasx script usually omits vowel diacritics too.Bill 05:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Diacritics

message: This article says that Nastaliq is the preferred script for Uyghur, but there was no evidence at all for that, even on google. I removed Uyghur from the article. Does anyone have is evidence/citation for why Nastaliq would be used for Uyghur?  Thanks. Mar de Sin Speak up! 17:59, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uyghur 

message: Why does the article say that the Nafees Nastaleeq font isn't used anywhere, and then that "its use is only limited to a few lines?" It's true that its handling of vowel markings is terrible (unfortunately for those of us using it to teach), but for individuals who use minimal vowelization, it's a very good font. --Mohamadkhan 04:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nafees Nastaleeq 

message: Nasta'liq is a calligraphic writing style, used by many more languages than just Urdu.  Rename the Urdu alphabet article if you want, but don't merge it into here.  They're two separate things.  –jonsafari 22:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed... there will be overlap... but the answer would not be to move it into here--if anything, asking for a merge is saying there is nothing special about the Urdu alphabet and that it should be deleted... which, I would disagree with because you have the issue of having different characters than Arabic / Persian which can / should be discussed on that page.  In any case, I am going to remove the merge request. gren グレン 18:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Strongly oppose.  Merging Urdu alphabet with Nasta'liq would be like merging Latin alphabet with Times New Roman.  Nasta`liq is merely a style of writing the basic script, characterized by a diagonal slant, as opposed to the level lines used by naskh.  Naskh can be used for Urdu, and sometimes is, especially in scholarly pulications and reference books. Grover cleveland (talk) 23:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with Urdu alphabet 

message: I'd love it if someone would expand it and note the difference between the two, or if the difference isn't noteworthy enough for its own page to instead move the page to Ta'liq and Nasta`liq Scripts and expound upon the nuances in the article. Peter Deer (talk) 16:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ta'liq redirects here? 

message: Pashto does not use the Nasta`liq script. It uses the traditional Naskh script of Arabic. Therefore, I have removed it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.209.203.254 (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: working on it... but i'm no expert Irtapil (talk) 11:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pashto erroneously listed 

message: I did a little cleaning up of oddly worded sentances and grammar mistakes, as well as replacing wrongly placed numbers for words.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.37.243 (talk) 05:24, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleaning Up 

message: I would like to suggest that a section be added about the recent developmont of Alvi Nastaleeq font, which is being hailed as a revolution in Urdu computing and typogaphy.
--Kpria (talk) 17:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alvi Nastaleeq 

message: I removed the following from the references section:
* Faiz Lahori Nastaliq, India
The Faiz Lahori document is a shameless copy of earlier WinSoft Tasmeem's publicity in breach with copyright: 
# neither is really a reference, but at best an "external link"
# copyright disputes are not intended to be in the article itself
LjL (talk) 21:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed non-reference 

message: There is no N. script, the script is Arabic, the Urdu version of the Persian extention allright, but Arabic script -- the style of writing is N.
Somebody had proposed to merge this article with Urdu alphabet. By giving this article its proper name, that problem will finally be solved. --85.178.123.223 (talk) 15:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty sure you mean the proper description, not name. ― Greater Intosh 13:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  move to Nastaʿlīq STYLE of writing 

message: WHY IS 'Making of Faiz Lahori Nastaliq' article on here? What does this have to do with Nastaleeq, a writing style developed by Persians based on Arabic script. This does not belong here and should be moved to a Urdu wikipage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.208 (talk) 02:05, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?? 

message: I was about to delete the section about faiz lahori nastaiq but i read the warning "Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved".
This section by every means is an advertisement and there is no place for advertisement on wikipedia. It's vandalism. Though faiz lahori nastaliq is a good font for its part. But this section be deleted please, or the language be changed in encyclopedic style.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatal eyes (talk • contribs) 22:23, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faiz Lahore Nastaliq Section Must Be Deleted 

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message: Can anyone tell me what is the exact Nasta'liq font used for all Wikipedia articles and from where it may be obtained? Jemiljan (talk) 12:31, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This question was never answered. I am trying to find out what fonts are being used in en.wikipedia, ur.wikipedia, and fa.wikipedia for Urdu script and Persian script. So far I have not been able to find the answer. I would like to improve the Urdu and Persian entries on en.wiktionary. Thanks for any help. —Stephen (talk) 07:02, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: To use the font in wiki articles you use the tags. e.g. with  and without پاکستان - click edit source on this talk page section to see how that works. But for dictionary entries aimed at people who are not fluent in Urdu I think it might be more useful for more readers to just use the generic Perso-Arabic font. I got the knack of being able to read that in a week or so but I am really struggling to read Nastaliq Urdu. For a dictionary the important thing is what letters are there in what order? And for en.wiktionary.org it's being read by people who've been learning Urdu for a few weeks, or who's native language is Moroccan Arabic, etc. the horizontal fonts with only three forms for each letter are way more readable to non-native speakers. Open to other opinions though, the style is used very widely for Urdu so obviously some people find it easily readable? Irtapil (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

text: By "obtain" the font do you mean you also want to use it locally on your computer or on other websites? Does it need to be the exact same font? or just a comparable one you can use for a similar effect? Urdu Wikipedia looks like Urdu Typesetting (microsoft) or Google's Noto Nastaliq Urdu (the ones mentioned in this article) you can download google's Noto fonts here google.com/get/noto and i think that page also has info on how to use it on websites. To get Urdu typesetting on Windows i think it comes automatically if you add Urdu on your language settings. The font on fa.wikipedia.org definitely LOOKS like Tahoma, the ـهـ is very distinctive, and Tahoma seems to come included with pretty much everything? I'm not 100% sure what they are using, if anyone else knows for certain i'm curious? I think both ur.wikipedia.org and fa.wikipedia.org use Arial or similar for headings, but a lot of different Latin fonts use the same near-identical set of Arabic characters. Irtapil (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

text: p.s. I just had a closer look and the font on ur.wikipedia and on Nastlyq snippits here looks more like Urdu Typetting than Noto, it leave the dot off the bottom of ـہـ  e.g. in تہجی  - whereas it's prominent in the Noto Nastalyq font. It might be getting UT from my machine though? i'm not very knowledgeable on web design stuff. Irtapil (talk) 09:29, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

text: WP doesn't use a specific Nastaliq font. Text inside the  template displays in whatever NQ font you have downloaded on your device. ― Greater Intosh 13:35, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Nastaliq font used for WP articles

message: That article is little more than an essay writing in short form some of the key concepts here. There might be some useful references from the article, but I don't think it should be separate from the 'Nasta'liq script' page unless there is more that could be added to the Persian calligraphy page. Matsuzuma (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: If there's anything of value in 'Persian calligraphy' it should be merged

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message: "Panels" are referred to in the intro and I can surmise that these are the things depicted in the images, i.e. a set of text with a decorative border, but a more explicit explanation is warranted. KellenT 17:21, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you mean the last three? I think the ones you refer to in the intro have already been improved? but the last three in the final gallery are a bit vague. I was about to attempt to type out the text, but i think i'm woefully under-qualified, i've been learning Urdu for two months and i know literally only two words of Persian. Irtapil (talk) 12:13, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  panels 

message: I found a source that says a working Urdu typewriter existed in 1911, but it may have been using a simplified style and not Nastalyq? http://www.cicc.or.jp/english/hyoujyunka/mlit4/7-10Pakistan/Pakistan2.html Irtapil (talk) 00:58, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  typewriter 

message: Is this caption accurate? I transcribed it myself and i'm not fluent in Urdu, i only recognised ایک - I googled it and i found a longer poem it matched a line of a longer poem. Irtapil (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  is this caption accurate? 

message: File:Soltan ali mashhadi 895 1489.jpg|"Soltan-ali Mashhadi - 1489 AD"
File:Mir emad 1012 hijri.jpg| "Mir Emad Hassani, Safavid era"
I moved two images out of the Shekasteh Nastaliq section and put them at the end. I moved the Shekasteh Nastaliq section up because the article flowed better with the computing stuff all at the end. But i think these two don't fit with that section? Irtapil (talk) 10:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shekasteh Nastaliq images? 

message: I propose that Taliq script be merged into Nastaliq. They denote the same script, & I don't believe that there's any information in the former article not present here. Pathawi (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Taliq script and Nastaliq are not the same script. Taliq predates Nastaliq. Nastaliq was inspired by Naskh script and Taliq; thus its name a portmanteau of the two. They should not be merged. However, Taliq script does need expansion.  (talk) 06:31, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah! The info on this page is misleading & I read Taliq script too quickly. I'll withdraw the proposal & make a change here. Pathawi (talk) 14:20, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: I was quite surprised to see no mention of Tasmeen (Tasmeen?), which took a decade or more to develop.
It's computer calligraphy for Arabic script, and can produce beautiful results. IIrc, it's an adjunct to major Adobe typesetting software. 173.48.61.203 (talk) 02:42, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: سەرەتا 185.95.206.100 (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nastaliq typesetting