Talk:Founding fathers of the European Union

message: Why is he mentioned twice? First among "Founding Father" and later under "Others" - I propose to delete the second entry and keep him in the "Founding Fathers" list
Kylle (talk) 12:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alcide de Gasperi 

message: I never find Churchill in the list of the "seven politicians" in non-english lists. Instead of Churchill is ever mentioned Altiero Spinelli. (Les fondateurs de l'Europe Unie by Bossaut, L'Europa difficile. Storia politica dell'integrazione europea by Olivi, http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/founding-fathers/pdf/altiero_spinelli_en.pdf,  http://www.blogueandoparatodos.com/2011/07/ue-la-union-europea-sus-fundadores.html, and so on...) LAUD (talk) 16:38, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Spinelli

message: Are their any "founding mothers of Europe"? Just a thought, I don't remember reading about the contributions of any female politicians to European Unity other than Margaret Thatcher but of course that was much later on in the picture.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MontyCantsin neoism (talk • contribs) 13:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Although there are no women among the 11 "official" founding fathers, both Simone Veil and Nicole Fontaine made important contributions. I wouldn't necessarily include Thatcher. Lamberhurst (talk) 17:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Women 

message: Do we have any explicit criteria for inclusion in the section Founding fathers of the European Union#Others? 
Giuseppe Mazzini may have been called a founding father of Italy and Victor Hugo may have made a speech where he talked of a united Europe, but don't we need more before including them here?
Surely, a founding father should be present at the conception, if not the birth – in which case, I think, candidates should have lived to see the end of World War II. 
It is not sufficient to say "wouldn't a United Europe be nice?" a century before the birth. 
Don't we need, at least, a quote from someone calling them a founding father of the European Union (or at least of the European Economic Community)? 
There are other articles where inclusion might be more appropriate, e.g. United States of Europe.
--Boson (talk) 10:44, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion criteria for other nominations 

message: Note: This should be translated into further languages, like German (:de:Gründungsväter der Europäischen Union). Cheers, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 12:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations 

message: The article starts with "The founding fathers of the European Union are 11 men officially recognised as major contributors to European unity" without any reference to who gave said recognition,let alone in an official capacity. The entire article reads like very bad WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. The EU has no defined list of Founding Fathers like the USA. The list in the article even contains Winston Churchill who died long before the UK joined the EU, which shows the entire list to be obviously nonsensical. I suggest this article be deleted. ♆ CUSH ♆ 06:53, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It may not be worth deleting this page in its entirety, however I do think as a community we need to come to a consensus on terminology. Alssa1 (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this is just plain wrong. The EU does recognise the concept of founding fathers and this fact has been discussed in academic literature. It has also been criticised. There is no issue with WP:GNG here. —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the substance of this article?