Talk:Horchata

message: Check out the description of Venezuelan chicha. It's not clear to me from that paragraph if it's alcoholic or not, but it sure looks like it isn't. Furthermore it looks almost identical to the Mexican horchata! Can anyone who knows more about this subject comment on this? It might be worth mentioning in the article. --Iustinus 23:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the page to include Chicha as a "see also" again. The Venezuelan variety does seem similar enough to Horchata to fit well as a "see also" -- it doesn't have to be the exact same drink, and so I'm not sure why it was removed unless the person who removed it didn't see the part about the Venezuelan version, or something. (If there's another reason we should know about, I hope that editor will explain it in here.) ManekiNeko | Talk 06:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, it seems Vizcarra didn't read my comment here before reverting it. See User talk:Vizcarra#Horchata and User talk:Iustinus#Horchata, mmm. --Iustinus 18:00, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

text:  The Venezuelan Chicha is not alcoholic,  however there is a Chicha in The Andes region that of Venezuela that is alcoholic and is called Chicha Andina. 
The ingredients to make Chicha are basically the same used for the Mexican  Horchata. The principal difference is that the Chicha is cooked and Horchata is not. The consistency and flavor are very different. It could never be confused with Horchata. ----  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guillochape (talk • contribs) 04:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Venezuelan Chicha 

message: Despite the protestations of the Valencians, Valencian is not a language, it is a dialect. To say Horchata is Orxata in Valencian is like saying "Cerveza, or "beer" in American English" - a nonsense expression when 'beer' is the same in all variants of English.80.103.138.48 13:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I find that some British beer drinkers only use "beer" for a subset of the beverages that Americans apply the term to; I'm not sure Miller Lite would qualify, for instance.--Joel 19:45, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I must disagree with the statement, that Valencian is only a mere dialect.  As an American born and raised in Spain (now living in Germany for the past 15 years) I can assure the readers that if you visit the city of Valencia today, you will find trafic signs, newspapers, TV channels, literature in Valencian, which is a derivative of Catalan.  The language is generally and officially recognised as a Spanish language, next to Catalan, Basque, Galician and Castillian. I am personally very greatful that the Valencian people are not as separatist as some of the other regions in Spain. I certainly respect the heritage and existance of all of Spains regional languages.  Nevertheless, I must say that I feel that the spelling "Horchata" is the better choice, because this spelling is also being currently used within in Spain and most significantly within the region of Valencia.  I just purchased 12 bottles of Horchata from a Valencian brand in Spain (which I brought back with me to Germany) and the bottles are labeled Horchata. When it comes to frequency and geographical coverage of usage, I do not think that there is a single Valencian who would argue against the fact that Horchata predominate over Orxata.  --Janper 22:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Where were you when I was arguing about this with Mr. Martorell? ;) --Iustinus 22:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I could have helped out with my late contributions, but I just bumped into this article because I wanted to find out what "chufas" (tigernuts)are in English, while sipping at my exotic glass of horchata on ice (practically unavailable in Germany).  I must admit that I have never herd of tigernuts before.  It is too bad that the American continent is deprived of this traditional Valencian version, but I am also open to tasting the Mexican and Central American versions.  I really enjoyed your discussion with Mr. Martorell and I greatly respect both of your views and arguments.  In a way this discussion is really a symptom of globalisation. On the one side is not only the old world, but a very provincial deep rooted position and on the other the reality that the product and the term have become global entities. --Janper 23:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: An interesting perspective. As for chufas, I almost never hear "tigernut" outside of the sentence "in English they are called tigernuts" ;) "Chufa" seems to be much more common in actual use (though I have once or twice heard "grass sedge"). Of course chufa seems to be just as foreign to Spanish speakers from this part of the world: they look at me like I'm crazy if I tell them it's a Spanish word. I've never gotten to try a true Horchata de Chufas, nor indeed any kind besides the Mexican variety. But I would really really like to! --Iustinus 23:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Valencian or Catalan?

message: The article currently reads:
:In Central American and Mexican cuisine, horchata is a rice based beverage. While the drink is usually white and "milky" it can be made dairy-free through the use of rice and/or blanched almonds, though some recipes call for milk.
Wait, it's a rice-based beverage that cane be made dairy free through the use of rice and/or blanched almonds?? Was that second sentence originally in another section, because it doesn't seem to fit here. --Iustinus 16:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rice or not? 

message: The section of the article that reads "Kern's Nectars, best known for its fruit nectars, has introduced several flavors of horchata in 2006 to cater to the growing Latino market. " strikes me as promotional in nature and not particularly encyclopedic. There have been other brands of horchata that are new in the last few years, and I don't see what is particularly notable about this one. Any other thoughts about this? ManekiNeko | Talk 07:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kern's? 

message: Is horchata made from the seeds of the calabash tree, or the calabash vine?  Both are also referred to a "morro" in Wikipedia, but, since they're botanically quite different, I imagine the term only applies to one of these plants.  Does anyone have an authoritative source?--Joel 19:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tree or vine? 

message: hi there, the legend about James I of Aragon, besides be a nonsense its absolutely false, cause its known that the word horchata comes from the italian word "orzata" and this one from the latin/mozarabic word "hordeata" ("barley"). take a look to the spanish wikipedia "horchata" page, or the prestigious and reliable RAE dictionary: 
http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltConsulta?TIPO_BUS=3&LEMA=horchata
i think the discussion about false Catalan nationalist legends and origins, and the obligation of how everybody (OMG!, even english speakers!) should saying the term just as Catalan nationalists say since some years ago and not as they are used and said from always have no sense in this case.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.152.128.75 (talk) 10:37, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  legend about origin of the word that appears in the article is not even a legend. 

message: I checked this site on my phone, and the last vandalism ("Also camel scrotums." corrected 2012-02-01) still existed.  When I loaded the main site, gone, when I loaded the mobile site on my laptop, also gone?  How'd this happen?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krausentube (talk • contribs) 10:02, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: vandalism on mobile site

message: Please forgive me if I am not doing this in the standard form, I am not an experienced wikipedia editor which is why I am posting this on the talk page rather than making an edit to the main page.
The current link to to word Frappe is to the Starbucks trademarked term Frappuccino which is quite clearly not intended by the context which use the term Frappe in "Some smoothie shops and cafés in the U.S. have been experimenting with horchata frappes."  There are other senses of the word Frappe which could be used by some smoothie shops and cafes whereas the linked to sense could not be used by any other than Starbucks who owns the Frappuccino trademark.  If there is no good link to a generic sense I recommend that the word be unlinked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.173.240 (talk) 22:39, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Chris Troutman (talk) 22:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frappe link is inappropriate 

message: I propose that Kunnu aya be merged into Horchata. Kunnu aya seems to be simply an alternative, equally valid name for horchata de chufa, and so the Kunnu aya article should simply become a redirect to Horchata#Horchata_de_chufa_or_kunnu_aya. Zazpot (talk) 17:31, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger proposal 

message: "Hibiscus tea" is self-explanatory; "Jamaica" meaning "hibiscus tea" is not. Some readers won't know what hibiscus is, but they are certainly vastly outnumbered by those who would wonder what on earth 🌍 Jamaica  is doing in the jug on the left, never mind how it got in there.
So I've changed the caption to say "hibiscus tea", which is the name of the article. --Thnidu (talk) 16:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jamaica" 

message: After formatting the recipe  above, which was posted anonymously, I wondered about its origin. A Google search for the first clause in the directions,
 "pour the rice and water into the bowl of a blender" (with quotes to search for the string as a whole, not just the words in it) turned up at least seven sites that offer it, some with modifications but clearly from the same basic text. One of those sites is at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, https://whatscooking.fns.usda.gov/recipes/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap/horchata.
That page cites the source as 
:North Dakota Food and Culture: A Taste of World Cuisine.
:North Dakota State University Extension Service.
So I don't think we need to worry about copyvio.
--Thnidu (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  source of recipe