Talk:ELAS

message: Either in the main article or here, I am not fussy, in fact desperate.   Over the the last few months I have read some forty books about the  resistance, looking for facts to bolster my comfortable faith in the view of ELAS that is usually dished up in English fiction, but have failed completely. I have just read Kiriakos, the biography of a British soldier who found himself with an ELAS troop for about 15 months.  He is not very interested in politics but knows that he is ant-communist, and gets very offended when people criticise the British.  Despite this, he does not breathe a word about any atrocities.
Likewise Pampαloni, the Italian who escaped the massacre of the Italains by the Germans on Cephalonis (sometimes referred to has the 'real Captain Corelli') and after being saved by ELAS went on to fight with them for some months, stressed the kindness he received at the ELAS camp. Men, women and children washed his feet and gave him food and drink.  '"What men! What women! What andartes! What andartissas!  Even today in my eighties, I am moved when I think of the comradeship of these people. ... At mealtimes the food was the same from the general to the last child.  Another thing that impressed me was their discipline.  If it was found that someone had raped a woman - even if he had fighting experience and was brave and competent - he was put to death."  As for the robbery that de Bernieres refers to, Pamploni is equally clear. "The locals gave us food, a lamb or a goat.  ... They gave it to us gladly"'.  (Translated from 'To Mantolino tou Gkestapo' - The Gestapo's Mandolin - http://www.iospress.gr/ios2000/ios20000604a.htm - which is copied from Schmuck-Gustavus, The Defeated of Cephalonia.)
Pampaloni is given a hero's welcome when he visits Cephalonia, while de Bernieres, at one time complained that he felt he couldn't go there as he was so unpopular. 
None of the original British reports of the time, that I have read, make a case for ELAS atrocities.  See for example Baerentzen, British Reports on Greece. 
One 'atrocity' that is milked for all it's worth is the execution of the leader of EKKA, Psarras, by an ELAS leader, after EKKA attacked ELAS and killed a number of its soldiers.  EKKA was disbanded and half of its officers joined ELAS and the others went to join the Germans in Patra.         
Anyone who actually has an open mind on this issue should consider Eden's proposal to the British Cabinet of November 1943, in which he recommends breaking with EAM and ELAS and making propaganda against them.  (Widely available, e.g. Procopis Papastratis, British Policy towards Greece during the Second World War 1941-1944.)  
There is a very convincing (Greek) report from EAM with extensive detail (names, address, date of death, address of cemetary, etc. etc, etc) of a concerted campaign during the December events of 1944 to discredit ELAS by digging up bodies (often of ELAS fighters), mutilating them, and parading them in the streets as victims of ELAS atrocities (http://parekklisi.wordpress.com/2009/02/22/elliniko-katyn/ ). Bougatsa42 (talk) 04:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please can we have some detailed references regarding 'ELAS's numerous and systematic atrocities against non-communist citizens'. 

message: As per this discussion, based on WP:NAME and WP:UE, I suggest renaming the article to either "Greek National People's Liberation Army" or "National People's Liberation Army (Greece)", preferring the latter. The same procedure is suggested for the relevant articles on EAM, EDES and EKKA. If you have contributed to this or the above articles, please state your view. Regards, Cplakidas 18:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As five days have passed without objections or comments, I am proceeding with renaming these articles. Regards, Cplakidas 13:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename article 

message: As currently written, the opening line reads: 
"After Nazi Germany attacked the Soviet Union with the initiation of Operation Barbarossa (June 22, 1941 — with most of Greece having fallen under Axis occupation since April and the Battle of Crete having ended on June 1 — the Greek Communist Party (KKE) was the first communist party to call for national resistance (documented in two letters by Nikolaos Zachariadis and Central Committee decisions) in 1940."
What the hell? If it makes sense to you, fine. If not, and you understand what it is trying to say, please fix it. I can't make heads or tails of it, and am afraid of trying to fix it for that reason.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.8.114 (talk) 17:37, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The letters by Zachariadis need to be sourced. What I am wondering is if Greek communists started resisting the Nazi during the time when the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was still valid. We need some historical sources here to write a meaningful text.  Andreas  (T) 17:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening line of section, Birth of ELAS 

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