Talk:Dravidian peoples

message: Shouldn't in this article the fact be mentioned, that according to Srimad Bhagavatam 8.24.13 the Manu Vaivasvata, son of the sungod Surya, brother of Yama and founder of the vedic ("aryan") society in India after the great flood, is called "the king of Dravida"? That this contradicts the "Arian Invasion Theory" must not be mentioned explicidly.--87.178.207.98 (talk) 22:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mythology? 

message: In Ukranian and Russian
  ancient is DREVNI. 
 Because Eastern-Iranics Jas,Ossetians,alans,Sarmatians,Scythians lived in  Ukraine
 modern East Slavic has 40% of it's words ethymologically related to the Indo-Iranian languages including Sanskrit .
 Dravidians  in Sanskrit means the Ancient ones .Edelward (talk) 10:30, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Which has nothing to do with the actual etymology of drāviḍa - how could it? A Sanskrit word cannot have been derived from Ukrainian or Russian. If you want to talk about the etymology of DREVNI you are on the wrong page. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ETHYMOLOGY 

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Reference named "Sengupta2006":
From Haplogroup H (Y-DNA): 
From Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia: 
From Y-DNA haplogroups in South Asian populations: 
From Haplogroup G (Y-DNA) by country: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Dravidian peoples]] 

message: I understand that Tamils may be the most 'proud' people who are dravidian, but that doesn't mean you should flood the people infobox with tamil people. For  example, Thiruvallar is put first in the infobox (and although he may be great), he was the father of Tamil literature etc. However, Adi Shankaracarya was an Indian saint known all over India known for his principles of Advaita which changed Hinduism to what it is today. That is one example. Subramaniya Bharti was a tamil poet, (significant in Tamil Nadu), but not very known and important outside of it. Keep in mind that Tamils are not the only Dravidian peoples, and if anything, are possibly the furthest in genetics to the actual 'Dravidian' people from the middle east who brought the language over. There must be diversity represented by this infobox as that is the purpose of it. It actually looks extremely unorganized and ridiculous as of now, especially how it was said earlier that Dravidian history begins with tamil history. It is mentioned that the Katar is a 'Tamil' Dagger, while it is not said that Kalaripayattu is a martial art of Kerala.Kanchipuramsilk83 (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree, there is way too much of the Tamil POV in this article. ManofManyTrophies (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  As of July 2017, I noticed certain occasions where the words 'Dravidian' and 'Tamil' were used interchangebly. I believe this is not correct and have replaced it with the word 'Dravidian'. Please take a moment to go through recent changes to make sure this is appropriate. Gireeshgprasad (talk) 23:26, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tamils 

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Reference named "Kumar":
From Historical definitions of races in India: Kumar, Jayant. Indian Census 2001. September 4, 2006.
From Genetics and archaeogenetics of South Asia: 
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Dravidian peoples]] 

message: I verified the sources stated in wiki for Dramira which mentioned Pandian. But 3 sources quoted in wiki never mentioned Pandiya as Dramira. So I am going to remove those contents related to Pandian of Dramira. The links for 3 sources given below.
# Strabo Volume 15, Chapter 1, Section 4 
# Strabo Volume 15, Chapter 1, Section 
# The cyclopædia of India and of Eastern and Southern Asia By Edward Balfour  --Tenkasi Subramanian (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pandian never mentioned as Dramira in stated sources 

message: This article does not talk anything about the existence of Scytho-Dravidians of Maharashtra. I am adding a passing note with credible evidence. Kindly check the below URLs. My only request - discuss on this page before making abrupt changes.
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=LnoREHdzxt8C&pg=PA31&dq=scytho+dravidian+maratha&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAGoVChMIl5nD0YD6yAIVxsamCh0SDgSd#v=onepage&q=scytho%20dravidian%20maratha&f=false
https://books.google.co.in/books?id=8WNEcgMr11kC&pg=PA71&dq=scytho+dravidian+maratha&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAmoVChMIl5nD0YD6yAIVxsamCh0SDgSd#v=onepage&q=scytho%20dravidian%20maratha&f=false
Amit20081980 User talk:Amit20081980 09:40, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scytho-Dravidian people of Maharashtra 

message: But you also removed again sourced content: "higher castes," "lower castes." Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:44, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I did mention why, see highlighted "Regrading this"  - "caste should not be emphasized knowing how sensitive this would be, it will only create conflicts." especially, considering current political scenario, do show some sensitivity. 117.192.210.36 (talk) 16:40, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't see anything "insensitive" in the content you deleted. We don't cover up facts in the name of some imagined social good. It is not our job to do so. - Kautilya3 (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ofcrose not, there is nothing to cover up but it can still be explained better without having to use highercaste/lowercaste terminology as it will cause conflicts, i'm sure you know that. "Northern Indians are more related to West Eurasians, while southern Indians are less related to West Eurasians." is accurate and not demeaning. 117.192.210.36 (talk) 17:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, you are refusing to see the point. The higher castes throughout India have more ANI genes than lower castes. I think you are whitewashing and distorting the sources. - Kautilya3 (talk) 19:46, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not, it's not inaccurate according to source either. Northern Indians as whole have higher levels of ANI admixture than South Indians simply because of it's geography and various (not just one) ANI related migrations. 117.192.210.36 (talk) 20:26, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Relation with caste

message: At the talkpage, the table of contents is contained within the to do list, and collapsed. At the main page, the TOC is also collpased. Which template is being used here, and where? And how can we get back to the standard display, both for the talkpage and for the main article? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:46, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I have fixed the issue with the Table of Contents on the talkpage being part of the to do list, by forcing it lower on the page. Generally table of contents are made automatically by the system. The collapsed TOC issue I think may be something on your end as they are both showing fine on mine, perhaps a setting or you may have collapsed them prior and it has remembered the setting. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 20:54, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  thanks! A "remembered setting" does indeed seem to have caused my second problem. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:43, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hided contents 

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message: I would like to point out that currently Dravidians are also found in Australia. Modern migration has been taking place over the last eight decades. Some countries already mentioned are Malaysia, Singapore, UK, USA and Canada.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.246.180.191 (talk) 18:42, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Dravidian Migration 

message: This article is full of orphaned Harvard-style references like Lockard 2007. I strongly suspect they originated as the result of sloppy copy-paste moves of chunks of text from other articles. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references 

message: The article's grammar and capitalization needs polishing. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Chickensarebleepssorryuncle (talk) 03:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammar 

message: Why does the map show a Dravidian group called Malto, but the Malto people are nowhere mentioned in this article? Please fix. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 07:01, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: To fix

message: Please change the opening sentence to reflect the chosen title of the article, e.g.  96.8.24.95 (talk) 02:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: , and thank you very much! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 21:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021 

message: I refer to the following content from the lead:
The Dravidian peoples are of a mixed genetic origin and formed initially due to the mixture of indigenous South Asian Hunter Gatherers and Neolithic West Asian farmers from Iran, with allSrinath Perur, The origins of Indians. What our genes are telling us., Fountain Ink 
Quote: "Sometime between 1,900 to 4,200 years ago, profound, pervasive convulsive mixture occurred, affecting every Indo-European and Dravidian group in India without exception."/almost all Dravidian groups later additionally acquiring admixture from Steppe Yamnaya pastoralists. From these interactions and migrations arose eventually the so-called "Hindus synthesis", after 500 BCE.'''
There are multiple problems with these references. Together they appear to form a synthesis of unsupported original research. 
* The first reference, [1], is a FountainInk.in blog post by a man named Srinath Perur. I can't find info that he is a reputable genetic expert, but a blogger and novelist. Thus, this source is not a formally peer-reviewed source, or maybe not even an expert opinion. Furthermore, it does not appear to contain the word 'Yamnaya'. 
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* The next reference, [2] is a bioRxiv preprint, Narasimhan, et al. (2018). My understanding is that, per WP:SCIRS, only peer reviewed sources should be used regarding the origins of ethnic groups. The paper does not contain the word 'Yamnaya'. 
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* Reference [3] is a peer reviewed Nature paper whose lead author is David Reich, a renowned geneticist. However, it does not appear to contain the word 'Yamnaya'.
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* Reference [4] is a Twitter post from Vagheesh Narasimhan. In addition to not being an admissable source, it does not contain the word 'Yamnaya'.
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* Reference [5] mentions no such events and predates all of the 4 previous sources by several years.
The notion that the Yamnaya, a Bronze Age people who lived in Ukraine from 3300-2600 BCE, relocated to South Asia and donated genetic material to the ancestors of Dravidians, is a very specific idea, which should be supported with high quality secondary sources, which actually contain the word 'Yamnaya', per WP:SCIRS. Since none of these are secondary sources, and only Reich, et al. can be considered a valid primary source, I removed this content. Thanks for reading, and happy editing! Hunan201p (talk) 13:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not Yamnaya-people, but Yamnaya-related people. This is such common knowledge that I wonder what you try to reach with this nitpicking. Same for Narasimhan (2018), which can be replaced with Narasimhan (2019). Try to improve by editing, not by removing the obvious. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's still pretty inaccurate in my opinion. According to the theory, Yamnaya people were ancestors of all Indo-European languages, predating even the Indo-Aryan speakers. There is certainly a timeframe problem involved here.ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 20:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Yamnaya (and/or closely related groups) were ancestral to all Indo-European cultures, it seems the Indo-Aryans (and the Dravidians with whom they intermixed) would have Yamnaya (or Yamnaya-related) ancestry, would they not?. Skllagyook (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

text: What do you mean with "even"? 3,000 BCE does indeed predate 2000-1500 BCE. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant to say, that only a branch of the Yamnaya population, which later developed into Indo-Iranian and yet later to Indo-Aryan people had this influence on India. A generalized statement on Yamnaya is not helping to highlight this significant nuance.ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 22:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dravidian genetics lead -- violation of WP:SYNTH, WP:VER, WP:RS  

message: "Dravidians are also present in Singapore or the United Arab Emirates through recent migration" ... and many other places too. This sentence is pointless. 216.8.188.31 (talk) 14:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: there is a line linking a "tamil brahmin madisar" to the clothing of "dravidian women". there are no links to a tamil brahmin, who follow indo aryan culture, to that of the native dravidian people. adopting a sari does not make them "dravidian". genetic studies also disagree. Temporary 1010 (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a place for "ethnic cleansing"; people are generally identified as those speaking a particular language or following a particular culture for generations and identify themselves as belonging to that group; this can even override any genetic analysis. It's just whatever the sources say. Rasnaboy (talk) 04:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Copied and pasted messages don't work buddy, you need to stop pushing your offensive and dominant ideologies on others' who want nothing to do with you. Temporary 1010 (talk) 23:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  brahmins are not dravidians 

message: Are all Central Dravidian (Kolami–Parji), North Dravidian (Brahui-Kurukh), Gondi-Kui  languages speakers considered as sheduled tribes in India? Kaiyr (talk) 08:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sheduled tribes in India 

message: Like Vijayanagaras. Venuvg04 (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add other South Indian kingdoms architecture to dravidian architecture.