Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2007-08

message: Is an institute that researches the effectiveness of products prior to being made available to the public. Many companies are now looking to use independant research findings to help promote their new products.
29th June 2008  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Statethis (talk • contribs) 03:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Intercontinental Research Institute

message: I haven't got the time right now to look for +60 articles, but at least there ar this two:
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that I think could use a psichology-book-stub (in the meantime, I used non-fiction-book-stub), and my guess is there could be more.
Maybe I'll check it later, but anyway, keep it in mind.
--Jbaio 13:06, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible stub category 

message: If there's no objection, I'd like to move Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive to Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive2005-2006 or some such title, and leave January 2007 on the current page, to be continued. It's getting longish and a new year seems like a good time for a fresh page. Eh what?! Any thoughts? Her Pegship  (tis herself) 05:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving the archives 

message: Somehow I can't seem to find who closed the football bio proposals, but was the Baltic category actually approved? We don't single out the Balts anywhere else and I haven't heard about any Baltic football leagues or similar. Just curious. Valentinian (talk) / (contribs) 22:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be me, tidying up. It's entirely possible I misunderstood something, so feel free to revise the closing tags or "to be created" listing. Here's the discussion itself. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 04:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Baltic States football biography stubs ? 

message: People who proposed about how the midle Juba province is owned were very wrong, this is because they mentioned the Daroot community belong a number of oercentage of the land. The ogaden community likewise belongs another percent of the land. Now who is Daroot and who is Ogaden?
According to my best of knowledge, what I know is this, Daroot is the same community for Odaden, but they want to get to shares of the land which is not possible. Ocassionally, the land Midle Juba and lower Juba belongs to the community called digil and mirifle and Somali Bantu and Bajuni only. The rest of the communities were brought by Mohamed Siad Barre from Ethiopia and Northern Somalia after a severe drought erupted there. They are only refugees and want to take over the lands of thses innocent people.
What you cana ask of yourself is, "the Italian colonised to which community in Southern Somalia?
By that time, none of the Ogaden, Hawiye and Mareteen community were present in colonization period, where were they?
The mango trees and coconut palms which are grown on the banks of the river Juba were issued by the Italian colonizers and the British colonizers. They gave only to Somali Bantus because they were colonized.
Eventually in Southern Somalia the people whom were colonised and belong the land are Somali Bantus and Digil and mirifle. The proof is that during a colonial period, a leader against the colonization must be there. Who was leader in Southern Somalia to resist the Italian colonization and the British as well. It was Nasiib Buundo of the Shambara Community who died jail in Moqadishu.
Proposed by: Jaate Kasiinje Kunjiila.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.88.156.46 (talk • contribs) 
:Exactly what is the "proposal" here? And what does it have to do with stub sorting? Grutness...wha? 04:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment moved from Jan. proposals page 

message: just appearing as a newbie  there. 
would like to propose some new stubs, 
on Miscellaneous, Materials, i would propose to create a section about "Plastic(s)" ,including production, design and disposal or recycling. this planet is filled by PET, PP, and their likes, and this Wikipedia should develop a consensus on how to reduce their use (plastics) and improve disposal ,
and also another about "Glass" history, production, aso. (recycling glass  is easy, except for the floated one)
finally in Science, i propose a stub about "optics" (did,nt see such, meabyh i need  glasses/lenses myself...) , including the history of such lenses, instruments, microscopes, a.s.o. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.136.197.132 (talk • contribs) 
You may want to post those on the project page, if they arent already there.
71.99.136.195 01:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

message: (This is just a courtesy copy of the note originally posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting, since more sorters may actually be reading over here than over there.)
*The story: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines#Redrafting, stage 1
*The first draft re-draft: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines/Redraft1
*What changed and why: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines/Redraft1#First draft log
Took me about 7-8 hours, but I think it sings.  Did not change a single substantive thing about it either, as far as how it works, what is recommends, what procedures are, etc., etc.  It's just a massive cleanup.  Please see first wikilink ("The story") for proposal on how to proceed, in stages, designed to prevent the process from descending into argument and editwarring.  Goal: Have WSS/NG become a formal Wikipedia Proposal and then Guideline.  At a guess this is stage 1 of 4. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 11:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Yes, this has something to do with being tired of arguing with Alai and Grutness in SfD and WSS/P, whatever the outcome of the argument, and instead wanting to work on something positive and cooperative in WSS, which is why I joined in the first place. :-)  Toodles. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 11:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:WP:WSS/NG]] overhaul proposal (and first re-draft!)

message: At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting/Naming guidelines/Redraft2 I have listed a bunch of unlikely-to-be-controversial improvements for the NG document.  Most of these were already clearly identified in Redraft1 as HTML comments, while a few come from Redraft 1 discussion.  The HTML comments just mentioned are still (as of this writing) present in Redraft2, to indicate likely insertion points.  Depending on when you read this, some of them may have alread been replaced with new text, or removed because controversial.  I would propose that any item on the list that anyone feels is controversial in any way should be struck out and saved for Redraft Phase 3, the dealing with controversial stuff.  Several of them may require a consensus discussion to determine what exactly they should say/advise.  Let's do it! — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 04:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redrafting, stage 2

message: The "Other stubs discussions" section at the bottom of WP:WSS/P is often overlooked and rarely used. Perhaps it would be better to move any discussions there to this talk page, and leave a note on WP:WSS/P to the effect that "Other discussions relating to stubs should go on the talk page"? That way they'll probably get more comments than they would otherwise... - and it would mean the entire WP:WSS/P page was transcluded! Grutness...wha? 23:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving "Other discussions" to talk page? 

message: Twice now this month I've noticed new users request new stub articles here as opposed to new stub types.  Should we consider having a pointer near the top to point people to Wikipedia:Requested articles?  More importantly, is there some text somewhere that might be mistakenly leading people here to request article creation? Caerwine Caer’s whines 08:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested articles confusion 

message: has no icon.  Where can I request that one be added. Reply at my talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 23:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub without icon 

message: Having recently created and populated two stub categories () and  for Ireland that relate to sports where the international team represents the whole island i.e Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, i was wondering
1) Do these categories need to be subcats of both Ireland-sport-bio and NI-sport-bio or just the one. In the case of rugby does it nedd UK-rugby-bio as a parent as well.
2) As it stands only Ireland-sport is a parent category and I have left any NI-sport-bio tags in place but removed Ireland-sport-bio tags is this correct or should I be doing something different.
Waacstats 21:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Irish sport stubs

message: I couldn't find a relevant page to bring this up, but where are stub templates supposed to be?  At the top or the bottom of the page?  --Notmyhandle 01:48, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: To quote WP:STUB: After writing a short article, or finding an unmarked stub, you should insert a stub template. By convention this is placed at the end of the article, after the External links section, any navigation templates, and the category tags, so that the stub category will appear last. It is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it. Grutness...wha? 05:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub Template Placement 

message: I put a proposal under Other stub-related discussions a week ago, and it still has no comments. Has anybody here seen it? -- kenb215 talk 00:49, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I definitely hadn't noticed it... as I wrote a couple of months back (on this very talk page), that section is rarely used and most "other" discussions tend to go here on the talk page. Grutness...wha? 10:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other discussions is live 

message: I just added a new stub for Herbalists: herbalist-stubKSVaughan2 22:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sigh. Any particular reason why you're announcing this on the talk page rather than proposing it on the page itself before creating it? It's got a redlinked category and even if every single article in  was a stub it wouldn't get near threshold. Grutness...wha? 01:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Stub

message: Whenever a new stub type dear to my heart is created, I end up going through by hand and re-sorting them. I keep seeing, though, that some are "bot-populable" (blame Alai for that bone-jarring neologism). What does this mean? Can I reduce some of my repetitive stress? Can I turn in my shovel?? Her Pegship  (tis herself) 18:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bot-populating? 

message: Hey, I have a suggestion for something that would revolutionise stubs, albeit while plugging up bots for a while. What if we had one stub template? No seriously, one stub template. What we then could do is use variables like in the project talk page tags (such as ). So, for instance, we have a drummer, who's a singer, who's a philanthropist, who's a communist, you have something like  and you'd yeild:
This article about a singer, drummer, philanthropist, communist, french fries lover is a stub.  You can help Wikipedia by [ expanding it].
I know this would mean deleting thousands of stubs and making one Mecha-Streisand sized template, but I think it would actually simplify, eventually (after ironing out the kinks) the whole stub process. The reason i say this is because the standard of formatting of the names (i.e. lack-thereof) of stubs would be more approachable.
Anybody else think this is a good idea or am I on my own on this one? Viva le resistance! --lincalinca 12:42, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the archives of this page. This suggestion has been made many times in the past, and it is generally seen as a very bad idea, since it would allow anyone to come up with any slight variant of name they want. Meaning parallel stub categories, for example, for American/United States/US/United States of America biography/people/biographical stubs. It also - as you point out in your example - allows people to very easily create totally frivolous stub types like  - the curent system means that a little bit more effort is required for someone to make such a beast - which usually puts any vandals off the idea. There's also the problem that one of the reasons for cutting big categories down as much as possible is server load - it does bad things if there is any need to alter a template used on more than a couple of thousand articles. The template you're proposing would theoretically be used on several hundred thousand aricles. Any slight tinkering with it could potentially wreck Wikipedia's servers permanently. Grutness...wha? 01:27, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For this reason, I'd suggest having it fully protected at all times and proposals still exist. It'd mean things would work effectively. Another thing is th possibility of having nested templates that contribute towards the main template, each of the nested template could potentially be editable by the general editors. --lincalinca 01:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I only mentioned a couple of the reasons that have been given in the past why this isn't a good idea. as I said, a look through the archives will turn up several long discussions on the subject. Also, nested templates are deliberately avoided on Wikipedia, since they cause far more problems than they are worth (as detailed in such pages as Wikipedia:Avoid using meta-templates and elsewhere). In any case, using nested templates would mean that this would actually create more effort than the current use of non-nested templates. Plus you've got the enormous amount of work involved in changing over from the current system (changing 450,000 stubs across? No thank you!). And there's still the problem that it makes it far easier to create unuseful or parallel stub types. Also, it's very well to say that proposal system should still exist, but as you yourself know from experience, not everyone proposes stubs before making them. There would simply be more of these, meaning more work at WP:WSS/D and WP:SFD - plus it would be far harder to monitor new stub types, since Special:Newpages couldn't be used to find them. Grutness...wha? 02:26, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are plenty of ways to indicate french fry aficionados without reinventing the stub system - categories, lists, WikiProjects - none of which would gum things up as badly as the meta-stub idea above. I think perhaps you are a lone voice. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 04:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  REVOLUTION! 

message: I note an increasing trend that the creators of unproposed stubs, once notified that their creations are at WP:WSS/D or WP:SFD, then come to WP:WSS/P to propose the stub type. Not only is this backwards but - more importantly - it splits whatever discussion is taking place on the stub into two separate areas. Is it worth having a notice at the top of WP:WSS/P requesting that once an stub type is at WP:WSS/D or WP:SFD, it should not come to the proposal page, for this rason? Grutness...wha? 00:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Works for me. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 04:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Countering an increaing trend 

message: Greetings from sunny Cambodia stub Goddesses and Gods! Damn am I glad this page exists. I must confess to being a complete stub virgin - I don't know how to create them and I only barely know how to add and use them. Over at Wikiproject Cambodia We have three stub categories in use - Cambodia, Cambodia-bio and Cambodia-geo - this seems fairly modest and sensible to me. However, these stubs don't seem to link off the main Cambodia stub categry on your project pages properly. However, the geo stubs appear correctly as a sub category of Cambodia stubs - but the Cambodia bio stubs are missing. When I wander over to Category:Asian people stubs I find no category for the Cambodian bio stubs - just the articles all mixed into some kind of Asian melting pot! Could some kind soul who understands these arcane matters make this category work as a sub category of Cambodia stubs? Thanks, Paxse 08:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Paxse - that's what we here call an upmerged stub template. What often happens with stub types is this - when a template is first proposed and created, there are too few stubs for a separate stub category to be worth having, so the template is fed into the next higher level of stub category. Once enough stubs exist which use the template, a separate category is proposed as a "speediable" creation. That seems to be what's happened here - and there are now enough Cambodian bio-stubs for a separate category so I'll propose the new cat. Shouldn't take more than a day or so for the new category to be made. Grutness...wha? 23:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You sirrah, are a Wikipedian and a gentleman - my sincere thanks for sorting this out. Otago eh? and a Ψ to boot - Uncanny, I boast one parent from Kurow and one from Invercargill and I believe we have the same quals (I took a peek at your site - very interesting). I love Look Both Ways - that is a stunning piece of work. Cheers, Paxse 05:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the compliments :) Yup - Dunedin and a psych MSc. Don't often get to Kurow (and certainly not at this time of year! Brrr!) but I go to In'gll every now and again (in fact, I'm off to an engagement party there in about a month's time). Glad you like the paintings! Grutness...wha? 23:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Stub Help

message: I've added a note to the top of the page about "speedy creation" and also about discussions in progress (as mentioned a couple of comments further up this page - I've also added a line suggesting that anything that would have been put under "Other discussions" should be brought here to the talk page instead - I think it's far more likely we'll spot such discussions here. If I've been too bold, feel free to revert - if not, please amend the wording, especially that of "S2" speedying - at the moment it sounds a little weak. (Before/after difference: ). Grutness...wha? 00:01, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speedying, discussions already in progress 

message: I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but is there anything that would prevent stubs being listed in a seperate area on the "front page" of an article/category? I've just come from one of the "owls" pages which has a ridiculous amount of stubs coming off of it. Wouldn't it be more helpful to the person who's looking up information if these contentless place-holders were moved to the bottom of the page, just above or as a part of the reference section? There are over 90 stubs there, and it's really frustrating to click and "back" your way in and out of 90+ pages of nothing.
--Portia Wasabi 17:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're talking about a stub template, they're supposed to be placed at the bottom of the article page. If you mean a category page that lists stub types, like , anyone can edit those, but beware - there might be a project that likes that kind of redundancy. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 18:40, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Can you give us an example of such an article? I think I don't understand the question. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 21:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub Location 

message: In on of my "potential" edits, i went to create :Category:National Football League stubs.  Upon arriving at the page to edit it, i noticed that the category was deleted back in 2005.  After digging, i found the discussion (or at least a portion of it) here.  After reading the discussion, it appears that it is okay to recreate this category. A lot has changed since then. Having never done something like this before, is it acceptable to recreate this?  I will gladly provide reasons for the recreation if asked. Jmfangio| ►Chat  07:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Best thing to do would be to repropose it (i.e., take it off the talk page and onto Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals). The most important thing hasn't really changed, though - there are still only about 350 stubs, which isn't enough to require splitting (less than that, really, since there's considerable undersorting of the bio-stubs and team-stubs). Grutness...wha? 23:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * Happy to do that, but would you mind helping me learn a bit more about this?  You say that there are only about 350 (which sounds like a ton of stubs to me) - but what is it going to be split from?  I'm just not educated on this stuff enough. Jmfangio| ►Chat  07:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: The category where stubs on the NFL currently go is . Mostly, its subcategories are things like biographies and teams, though there is precedent for a split by league as well. 350 stub articles sounds like a lot, but stub categories have slightly different reasons to exist from general "permanent" categories, so size becomes more of an issue. Generally, in stub sorting the "sweet spot" is between about 60 and 600 stubs (more than that and an editor is sqamped with articles - less than that and they have to hunt around through several categories to find articles worth expanding). It's a permanent battle to keep categories to a "viable" size. In a case like this, what is far more likely to be a acceptable suggestion to many here at WP:WSS would be to propose an 'upmerged template' - that is, a separate template for NFL which still feeds into the American football stubs category, rather than having its own category. Upmerged templates can have only a handful of stubs with no real problems, and they're useful in two ways. First, it makes it easier to see how nmany articles there are on the subject of the upmerged template, and secondly if there are a lot, it becomes easier to make a new stub category specifically for them, since it simply means an edit of the template, rather than changing the template on every article. BTW, with your username, I would have thought you'd be more interested in motor racing than NFL :) Grutness...wha? 10:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

text: * Thanks much for your explanation. That helps!  As for my username; you are good! I am more interested in F1, i'm just trying to edit something I'm less inclined to have POV issues with :-) Jmfangio| ►Chat  10:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on recreating a stub related category 

message: Hi all - I'm putting this here to sound everyone out before possibly going to SFD.
I'd like to slightly simplify the hierarchy of geography stubs, particularly for Asia. Currently, every country in Asia has its own geo-stub template, and all but five have their own categories. Those five countries are spread through three categories - ,  and . I'd like to propose combining these three categories, keeping only the Asia one and redirecting the MEast- and SEAsia templates- to it. This will result in one Asia geography stubs category containing all the individual countries and about 220 "loose" articles.
A similar case could be made for Africa, though the task there is a little larger, with 12 countries without categories (of which nine have templates), divided between five regional categories. These five have been problems, since the boundaries they use are not quite standard. Combining these in the same way would result in one category with about 390 articles.
On a similar point, the category   is probably not needed. It simply contains country-level subcategories, each of which could quite simply be redirected to continental parents. (whoops - wrong cat)
Any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 02:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Central and South East Asia categories have definitely outlived their usefulness. We still seem to split the Middle East off separately in many cases, but I wouldn't mind seeing that one go as well to avoid the mess about which countries actually constitute this region. Valentinian T / C 07:35, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed simplification of geo-stub hierarchy (Asia and Africa, plus Central Asia) 

message: Does it bug anyone else that people have taken to listing articles that could justify a stub type on the proposals page? Takes up a lot of room & looks untidy. Is this helpful, or even necessary? Her Pegship  (tis herself) 22:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is not necessary, but I think we actually once asked people to do it. Perhaps we should simply archive these suggestions as soon as they're approved or rejected? Valentinian T / C 21:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We did suggest lists at one time, and it is potentially useful for splitting, though it does make this page messy. Perhaps we could suggest that people could make lists but on a subpage of their user page, rather than here? Grutness...wha? 23:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lists!! 

message: Recently I have come across a number of bios for people from Czechoslovakia tha have been tagged with bio-stub templates for both Czech Republic and Slovakia.  When the article has given a place of birth I have deleted the incorrect tag, however a number of the articles don't give a place of birth and the article does not give any indication as to which nation they should be in (In many cases they are sportsmen who competed well before the split). Is it correct to leave both tags in place, should a generic euro-bio-stub be placed on the article insted or is there another solution that I have not yet considered.Waacstats 12:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a big fan of the templates for deceased nations, but I see your point. I've normally tagged dubious cases relating to Czechoslovakia with both templates hoping that somebody would remove the incorrect one later (I know, clunky solution). Would it be possible to draw up a list and contact the relevant noticeboards? We might be lucky that they had a few sports buffs around. Valentinian T / C 12:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using catscan there appears to be a total of 12 so not as big a problem as I first thought.  breakdown is one Czechoslokia president and 11 sportsmen.Waacstats 19:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Using google might resolve some of those places of birth, too. Don't think there's any need for a Czechoslovahia stub at the moment - 12 is hardly a big problem. Grutness...wha? 01:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Czechoslovakia 

message: I have recently (bravely/foolishly?) created the ,  and  as well as  all of which have been at various times approved on here.  I am letting people know so that hopefully an admin can check them and if it is still deemed necessary to protect them from edit warring.  Note that when I last checked the templates none had any image on them as I felt this was safest for now. Waacstats 15:12, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyprus

message: I think we have (had?) a tool that counted stubs in a category. What was its name? It should be added to the 'how to' template, so people can easily count it using the tool instead of manually.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  23:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How to count stubs?

message: Greetings Stubsorters. There seems to be some inconsistency in the hierarchy beneath :Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality. Consider that:
*:Category:Chinese sportspeople stubs is a subcategory of :Category:Asian sportspeople stubs which is a subcategory of :Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality which is a subcategory of :Category:Sportspeople stubs, but
*:Category:Dutch sportspeople stubs is a direct subcategory of :Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality, as well as being a subcategory of :Category:European sportspeople stubs which is a subcategory of :Category:Sportspeople stubs (note: not :Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality)
I would have expected "Asian" and "European" to be at the same level, and likewise "Chinese" and "Dutch" to be at the same level, but they're not. I'm happy to rearrange the hierarchy myself, but I thought I'd raise it here first, in case this had already been discussed and/or the current arrangement is intentional. DH85868993 06:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: when created the European cat did contain all the individual nations but somebody moved them out.  It is on my mental list of things to do but I haven't got round to doing it yet.  So as far as I'm concerned feel free to put all the European countries in the euro category only.  Waacstats 18:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hierarchy beneath Category:Sportspeople stubs by nationality 

message: These are on the to-do list, and I see that the Geology stubs cat needs sorting, but I'm stumped as to how to form the template. Would this be ? or ? Any other suggestions? Her Pegship  (tis herself) 22:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd make it geomorphology-stub, if you're talking geological processes. If you're talking about specific formations (such as individual faults, outcrops, and the like) I'd go about it a little differently, making it  (), which could then more easily be split by continent/nation if and when necessary. Grutness...wha? 00:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geologic formation stubs 

message: :Category:Crustacean stubs is getting rather large at over 600 articles, and I have decided to create new stub templates for crustaceans and split the category. Here are the previews for the proposed templates:
Template:Crustacean-stub
 This crustacean-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by [ expanding it]. 
<noinclude>
Template:Copepod-stub
 This copepod-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by [ expanding it]. </div
<noinclude>
Template:Amphipod-stub
 This amphipod article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by [ expanding it]. </div
<noinclude>
See User talk:Stemonitis for more information. --Crustaceanguy 21:36, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The place for proposals in the proposal page, not the proposal talk page! I've removed the category links that placed this page in , BTW. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: You read it right the first time (at the top): "On this WP:WSS subpage, you can propose new stub types (please read #Proposing new stubs - procedure beforehand!), as well as the reorganization and subdivision of existing stub types. You can also propose anything else related to stubs in #Other stub-related discussions." Her Pegship  (tis herself) 21:28, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crustacean stubs 

message: Can I ask for some expert help. :Category:South West England building and structure stubs currently has 248 entries, with more to come. Various existing templates (eg Template:Somerset-struct-stub) seem to put the articles in this category - would it be possible to have seperate categories for Somerset, Bristol, Cornwall, Devon structures which may make them more likely to be noticed and improved by the relevant wikiprojects eg Wikipedia:WikiProject Somerset?— Rod talk 10:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Greetings! Once one of the templates reaches "threshold" (60 normally, 30 if there's a WPJ), we give it its own category. If you go to the template and click on "What links here" you can get a good idea of how many link to each. In fact, I'll go check. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 16:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Righto! Bristol and Somerset have indeed reached 60+, so I created the categories. Happy editing. Her Pegship  (tis herself) 16:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for sorting this.— Rod talk 16:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:South West England building and structure stubs 

message: It says on this page that if you create a stub type you should move the discussion to the archive and the archive summary.  But the archive summary for November is currently non-existent and all the archive summaries have a date towards the end or after the end of each month.  Should I create the November Archive Summary and add my one item to it as the instructions imply or follow the leader and move the discussion to the archive but not the archive summary at this point?  So far I've done the latter but really would like this procedure clarified.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 03:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The November section was lurking, commented out until such time as needed. Presto! I have revealed it and it's ready for your use. Sorry for the oversight. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 04:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive and archive summary 

message: I had completly missed the proposal process when creating :Template:CPI-politician-stub and :Template:CPI(M)-politician-stub, sorry for that. I had simply copied the basis for :Template:BJP-politician-stub. The two are now at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. --Soman (talk) 07:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main problem with them is that, while BJP is known fairly widely to mean the Indian political party, CPI means loads of different things (including political parties in at least four different countries!) - also, there are size thresholds for stub categories which these two might well have problems reaching. Grutness...wha? 00:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  CPI/CPI(M) 

message: China-Olympic-medalist-stub has been passed for creation.  Given that the other China- templates relating to sport are being changed at SFD should this also be changed to PRChina-Olympic-medalist-stub or left at china- ?? Waacstats (talk) 13:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Query regarding China 

message: Hi all - just a warning to be prepared for a series of likely proposed and unproposed new Kosovo stub types, and changes to existing Kosovo redirects, with the likelihood of Kosovo proclaiming independence in the next day or so.
My own personal take on this, from a stub-sorting point of view (and I stress this is just one stubber's opinion), is this - the current Kosovo-X-stub redirects can be made into proper templates, with associated categories where numbers permit (or upmerged to Europe equivalents otherwise), once the new country has been formally recognised by several other states. Chances are most EU states will recognise it almost immediately, so that shouldn't be much of a problem. Also, unless the country officially changes its name, the term "Kosova" should NOT be used, even for redirects (this is a highly politically charged term in the region, being the Albanian name for the country). 
Both of these points is close to what we regard as "official stub-sorting practice" (though that's never been debated, so the term "official" is moot), but this is the first time that the situation of a new country becoming independent has emerged since most places received their own stub types, so I'd welcome any thoughts on these points. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Be prepared (oncoming Kosovo changes) 

message: We agreed to split this category by province, so I'm trying to format the templates. Here's what I have so far, with accompanying notes:
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Please let me know whether these are correct, or edit away if they aren't. Cheers, Her Pegship  (tis herself) 20:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shortened the last to TierradelFuego for much the same reasons as why we don't have a . Besides, despite the Argentine claims, only the Tierra del Fuego part of the province is internationally recognized as part of Argentina. Caerwine Caer’s whines 20:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it further by adding the AR - half of the island of TdF is Chilean. The resl look OK to me. Grutness...wha? 23:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Argentina geography stubs 

message: Recently a split of this was passed as create by date of first appointment.  I assume the template for this would be along the lines of  but what do we call the categories.   is my best guess but doesn't 'feel' right (grammer etc not being my best subject).  Any one any ideas or are we happy to go with this. Waacstats (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: {{Cl|College football coach stubs}}

message: :and what part of the stub sorting process is she involved in? Or is there some other reason for mentioning her here? Grutness...wha? 23:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ...oy vey...Her Pegship  (tis herself) 08:59, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jasmine seng 

message: Hi all - I'd like to extend the "speedy creation" criteria to cover another stub type - those which have been decided after discussion at WP:SFD. Normally there's no fuss, it's a simple rename or upscope, but occasionally (as with , which I've just listed), it's a little more complex. Even so, most of the necessary discussion will already have taken place at WP:SFD - so should they be speediable ("S3 - the creation of new templates or categories agreed to as part of consensus at WP:SFD discussions")? Grutness...wha? 00:43, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, discussion has already taken place so I think these should be speedy-able. SeveroTC 00:35, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another possible "Speedy creation" type? 

message: Whilst stub-sorting, I encountered the article Capital Area Rural Transportation System.  I put a Texas-stub tag on it but I thought it could use a subject tag as well.  Oddly, though, there doesn't seem to be a stub category for public transportation in general -- there are metro/subway and rail categories, and a bus category (under "Vehicles"), and road categories, but nothing for public transit in general.
I realize this is the talk page and the Proposals page is "over there" but I doubt I could find 60 stub articles that would need such a tag.  Normally, the procedure would be to use a parent tag, but there's no general "Transportation" tag either (even though we have a /Transport stub type subpage).  Do we need to create either public-transit-stub or transportation-stub?  And if not, where should articles on public transit systems be categorized?
-- Powers T 15:49, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public Transit 

message: We have agreed to split this by Region I just wanted to check the templates before creating them (Geos not being my usual area of expertise) and they have grown massivly since being proposed (>2000).
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nb that Lima is the name of a Region and the name of the only Province that does not belong to a Region.  Also most of the regions have provinces of the same name which also have cities of the same name.  I think I have marked all the ones that require disambig with PE (the code for Peru). Waacstats (talk) 13:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I only spotted the above after creating the templates, when I noticed the link from one of them.  Oh well.  So, I appear to have "under-disambiguated"  San Martin, Junín, La Libertad.  However,  I'd argue is good practice, following the scheme of dropping insubstantiative lower-case words (though this hasn't quite been standardised yet, and a redirect might not be a bad idea).  Lima Province I didn't manage to find a population for, but I'll have another look.  Alai (talk) 13:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Peru geography stubs

message: Hi, I have some pages marked 
Some of those pages have grown so that they really are no longer stubs.  I therefore hoped just to delete the stub and then end up with the right category, perhaps with an {expand} added - but this does obviously not work, eg. -   does not exist.
I prefer to leave the articles as complete as possible without having to rely on others to clean up the mess after me - but when it comes the the thousands of stub and categories I find myself lost (or go dead).  If there were a system where you just deleted "stub" that transition could take place more easily. Power.corrupts (talk) 09:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The stub template shouldn't be placing the permanent category into the article. (And in this case, it's not.) It does appear that a number of the articles using this stub have not been properly categorized but there doesn't appear to be a generic "European academic biographies" category nor should there be. The articles need specific field and nationality category tags such as :Category:Austrian entomologists. - Dravecky (talk) 10:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-stub stage - easy transition wanted 

message: There exists a  stubtype, but I can't see it anywhere in the structure at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/List of stubs .  Doesn't seem to be under "sports" (where  can be found), "leisure" or "miscellaneous" (where I've just spotted , which will do nicely for the articles I'm looking at).  The category :Category:Hiking stubs only has :Category:Hiking and :Category:stub categories as its parents, though it says it's maintained by this project.  Should there be a way to it through the hierarchy? PamD (talk) 22:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, looking at :Category:Hiking stubs I think they could almost all be ! PamD (talk) 22:14, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm...yes, that seems pretty odd. Of the 57 stubs in there, all but six should be marked with . And WP Backpacking's main page has been marked with the inactive template for nearly three months, too. Perhaps they've all just gone outside and may be some time. It's probably worth nominating this stub for deletion at WP:SFD, since it can almost entirely be convered by the trail stub type. Grutness...wha? 00:59, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hiking - lost in the woods?