Talk:Culture of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

message: Isn't the material here much more about the practice of LDS/Mormonism rather than the culture?  --from the culture article:  
A common way of understanding culture sees it as consisting of four elements that are "passed on from generation to generation by learning alone":
# values
# norms
# institutions
# artifacts. 
(Hoult, T. F, ed. 1969. Dictionary of Modern Sociology, p. 93.)''
Many Mormons have a hard time distinguishing (or don't think about) cultural habits and practices from practices that are more doctrinally based. From an anthopological point of view, Mormon culture is distinctive but it might be hard to reference and our viewpoint might emerge as subjective at best.  After all, one can be a cultural Mormon and not a practicing one and vice versa.  That said, it would be quite a fun and challenging article to produce! 
Unique areas of LDS/Mormon culture might include --  Mormon humor?  Church based and church oriented entertainment?  Family reunions?  Church dances and socials?  Seminary and institute activities?  "Mating" habits?  What about the emerging cultural aspects of the international church?  WBardwin 07:27, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great--I thought about it myself when I copy and pasted the present article from the main LDS church page. Let's put this on the WP:LDS page and see if other editors will help; I know I'm willing. And this would be a blast to write--I laugh at myself and others when we apply "Mormon lingo" and other unique quirks "into our daily lives." I definitely will help--but the challenge will be to find references. But such is the life of a Wikiaddict/editor. I look forward to the challenge. --Pahoran513 00:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: references for our idiosyncratic cultural practices will be tough -- so many things are simply understood or invisible to practitioners.  However, the newly published Oct. 2006 Ensign, designed for reference by new members, could provide a beginning for Mormon norms in a church setting.  Some of the things they address are doctrine based, others are simply cultural practices or social norms.  It would be intersting to make those distinctions.  WBardwin 17:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, if this was just copy and pasted from the LDS church website, then isn't the copyright in question? Mrmcgibby 14:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture vs Practice

message: I think Common Latter-day Saint perceptions should be merged with this article for sure... we really need to cut down on all the LDS articles we have floating around. gdavies 20:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that Perceptions may as well be part of this article.  I think it would be good to rename it including the term apocrypha since it is a list of quasi- doctrine.—Red Baron 23:10, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

text: How other people see LDS/Mormons = Perceptions.  How LDS/Mormons see themselves = Culture.  As for Quasi-doctrine, that is something else all together.  A friend of mine used to say that the Sunday School class on Rumor, Speculation and False Doctrine met in the foyer.  I'm all for consolidating related topics, but what, exactly, do you think these three things have in common?  If anything, than that should be the title of the article.  WBardwin 05:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the perceptions talk page.  In it you will see that Perceptions really isn't a good title for it, and that it has nothing to do with how LDS are perceived by others.  It is more aptly given the ascription of Mormon Apocrypha, or something like that.  Further, I think that the apocryphal stories and doctrines of the members is part of the culture.  My only problem, as I thought about it overnight, is that it is probably OR--the perceptions page, and maybe this one too.—Red Baron 14:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I'll look over Perceptions -- but what you describe might be "Mormon Folklore" --  "body of expressive culture, including tales, music, dance, legends, oral history, proverbs, jokes, popular beliefs, customs, and so forth within a particular population comprising the traditions (including oral traditions) of that culture, subculture, or group"  (i.e. Three Nephite stories).  Something like that would certainly be a good section for this culture page.  WBardwin 00:30, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I take it all back — The merge happened and the other title comes directly to this page. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with Common LDS perceptions article

message: #Support It seems to me that the current perceptions page is little more than a list of apocryphal folklore, and could easily be added to this article.  There doesn't seem to be that much content in that article, so merging them would mean one less article for us to monitor. wrp103 (Bill Pringle) 16:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: Since the 'Support' comments are five years olde, going back to 2007, I guess the merge didn't happen. Coming late to the discussion, I vote to not merge since this seems the better title and this article has good content and good potential. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, I take it all back — The merge happened and the other title comes directly to this page. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:43, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: Found a brief article addressing pioneer folklore, including Mormon Trail experiences, Western colonization, relations with Native Americans, and Three Nephite stories.  Has anyone any ideas on how we want to structure this article?  An outline would be really helpful before going forward.  WBardwin 08:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of stakes I know (UT & CA) are having a 'Pioneer Trek' for teenagers. It is a major planned event for them. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Mormon pioneer history and folklore

message: User:68.110.115.183 recently made good faith edits to the article, which I have reverted.  As this is a "cultural" rather than a doctrinal article, I found these serious edits more appropriate to doctrinally based articles.  I also noted that "correcting" the church's name created issues with existing internal links in the article, common to the entire Latter Day Saint Movement and associated sects.  I left a note to the anon editor, asking them to contact the Project page and/or continue editing.  If anyone would rather revert me, or save sections of the edit, feel free.  WBardwin (talk) 02:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Revert of Good Faith edit

message: In reading this article, I can see that Mormon culture is a very big topic.  The existing article can use improvements and citations, but I think other cultural elements can still be introduced, such as:
* literature (magazines, young-adult fiction, inspirational/doctrinal readings, etc)
* sacred places (holy land, Missouri sites, temples, sacred grove, religious travel/tours)
* film (church-made films, Saturday's Warrior, recent cinema/"Molly-wood")
* holidays (24th of July, Joseph Smith's martyrdom, restoration of the Aaronic priesthood)
* fashion (modesty, extreme hairstyles, piercings, tattoos, beards, white shirts)
* institutional culture (callings, deference to leaders, correlated manuals)
Is any of this going too far?  Do some of these only apply within the Mormon corridor?  If so, does Utah shape the culture of the rest of the church?  ——Rich jj (talk) 16:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Good points. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Two and a half years later, my 'Wiki-surfing' brings me back here; still a very interesting article, especially the 'See also' section. -- 
Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional topics 

message: Under the section, 'Genealogy', the picture-image seems to have disappeared. The link is broken. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been taken care of for now, but the next time someone comes along & tries to "fix" the misspelling in :File:LDS geneology library slc utah.jpg to instead say :File:LDS genealogy library slc utah.jpg this issue will happen again. The file name needs to be changed at Wikimedia Commons if we are to eliminate the risk of occurrence in the future. -- 208.81.184.4 (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures in the Article 

message: Hi, I would like to help improve this page. One of the things I'd like to do is remove material that is duplicated on Beliefs and practices of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and focus more on aspects of Mormon culture that User:Charles Edwin Shipp mentions above. I'm also curious where other users would draw the distinction between church practices and culture. The Jewish Culture page includes the achievements by prominent Jewish people; would that be good on this page? Does anyone have strong opinions? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we remove LDS practices from this page? 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Culture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "BushDialogue":
From Black people and Mormonism: 
From Black Mormons: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:51, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Culture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints]] 

message: I have heard rumors of some missionaries in very cold climate missions (Russia, the way north, etc.) being allowed to wear facial hair on the grounds of it being exceptionally cold.  Can anyone confirm or provide sources?  There is a note in all of the handbooks that the mission president may make exceptions, changes, etc. if the need would arise (noted several times in the current handbook and in the introduction to the previous handbook). Kupferert (talk) 18:19, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Missionaries were actually required to have facial hair pre-1903 in the British and European mission (Source: This LDS Living article). A cursory search didn't bring up mentions of modern bearded LDS missionaries though. Did you hear the rumor online? Maybe we can track it down to its source. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually heard it from some missionaries while on my mission, so with that point stated it will be practically impossible to tract it down.  If I remember/heard it correctly, one (or more) stated they heard it from "someone" who was on one of the "way north" missions, or it was a rumor they had heard   Kupferert (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Facial Hair and Missionaries 

message: The title of this article, along with a provision at MOS:LDS, violates MOS:THEINST, a site-wide guideline which trumps WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. Please participate in the discussion at . Thanks. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title capitalization