Talk:Program music

message: There seems to be an effort to also define and argue "absolute music" within this article. Particularly in the sections "Definition" and "Baroque and Classical eras" which almost entirely focus on it. I think it is valuable to some extent to acknowledge that abstract emotions that are evoked in all music could be in some way connected to the idea of Program music, however Program music seems be much more literal, and easily defined. It sets itself apart from other music as it intends to recreate a story from another medium. Because of this I don't think it's necessary to so thoroughly attempt to define "absolute music" sans program music. 
One other thing I think doesn't fit in this article, or within the definition of Program music are pieces that are intended to evoke specific emotions. This article lists many pieces as "program music" simply because they have titles that reflect emotions or the seasons or other abstractions. At least the Moonlight Sonata wasn't listed. But the point is, a musical work's title doesn't make is a big fat gay lord. A piece about happiness in the spring time isn't necessarily "Program" if there's no narrative. I can see a loose interpretation of "narrative" but abstract emotions simply don't fit. A narrative must by definition be a construction, each part of the piece would be able to have words put to it. If the entire piece as a whole only conveys "happiness" or "summer rain" that's not a narrative. Promontoriumispromontorium (talk) 22:27, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Ideas to improve

message: IMHO some latin-american-nationalist music, like Revueltas or Villa-Lobos are program music. An example: Revuelta's "Sensemayá" or the Villa-lobo's little train (i don't recall the exact name). But the phrase "works in the European classical music tradition" don't include them clearly and also in the rest of the article is no mention to them. Maybe a explicit mention to this examples could help. What do you think? Regards, --195.76.142.130 08:13, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: latin-american-nationalist music

message: I thought I knew what programme music was until I read this article.  It gives the briefest of definitions and then hundreds of examples, each debated.  Could it be restructured?  Could a single example be given and analysed to explain why it is indeed program music?  Some sources cited might not go astray too... --Stevage 00:26, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Wordy, vague article

message: I removed the Unreferenced tag as the article does site references, even within the first sentence. Hyacinth 10:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Unreferenced

message: I removed the following source as it is uncited:
*http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/ (http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textp/Programmusic.html)
Hyacinth 13:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Source

message: This is a fascinating article that's marred by contradictions and redundancies -- in particular, the end seems to have been written without reference to the beginning. Early on we have, "The term is usually reserved for purely instrumental works (pieces without singers and lyrics), and not used, for example for Opera or Lieder." Near the end we find, "Music that is composed to accompany opera and ballet is, of course, program music, even when presented separately as a concert piece." Can someone help? I don't have enough confidence in this field to do the edit myself, but I want to know! If, as the talk page suggests, the definition of program music is itself somewhat controversial, the article could be restructured to reflect this. Also, discussions of Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony and Dukas's Sorcerer's Apprentice repeat at the end without reference to earlier sections, and the final section "Symphonic Poems" repeats information from the earlier discussion of Liszt.Drollison 04:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somebody with Expertise Please Edit 

message: I just broke some of the article into sections that were based on different program music in the Western canon.  But the previous comments across two years (!) are right -- this article needs complete overhaul.  Sometime when I have time, I'll try to rewrite some of the vaguer parts... -- The Realms of Gold (talk) 02:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New subsections and planned complete overhaul 

message: I think the following line is inappropriate:
"Some might criticize Disney's animators for providing a pictorial interpretation of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D Minor, but nobody can deny an extramusical association for Dukas's The Sorcerer's Apprentice."
It contains no citation, and I doubt anyone would criticize Disney's animators for their interpretation of Bach's Toccata and Fugue. The depiction is abstract, with no story or realistic image conveyed, which is wholly appropriate for such a piece of absolute music. If this is an actual debate, it should be cited. I find nothing wrong with the second clause; the Sorcerer's Apprentice is obviously program music. It should still be cited, though.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.229.1.42 (talk) 01:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disney/Fantasia 

message: I think this extraordinary piece of program music should not be missing in the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.150.167.78 (talk) 09:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gustav Holst - The Planets 

message: I'm thinking the 29 here is a typo "particularly those from the Romantic music period of the 29th century", but I'll leave the fix to someone who knows what it should say. Tlqk56 (talk) 03:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  typo? 

message: I'd like to suggest Ferde Grofe's Grand Canyon Suite and Aaron Copland's Rodeo for consideration as examples.  Grand Canyon Suite is orchestral.  Rodeo was originally written as a ballet (with an obvious "program") but I think it gets more play as an orchestral performance piece without the ballet. AdderUser (talk) 13:36, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grofe - Grand Canyon Suite; Copland - Rodeo 

message: I removed the statement "The strong stylistic constraints of many popular forms, however, constrict the ability of the music itself to portray extramusical ideas, specific or abstract, and the music is arguably non-programmatic." Who is making this argument? It's original research. (Also, from my experience, there's lots of "popular music" (whatever that term means anymore) that conveys extramusical ideas like imagery, etc. Drsmoo (talk) 14:10, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Section on popular music 

message: Yes 2409:4053:E91:1A77:DC2C:BEEA:7076:C546 (talk) 08:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Describe musical program