Talk:History of slavery in New Jersey

message: I'm glad someone has started this article.  It is really needed. When I looked at the article on NJ history, I thought material on slavery and African Americans was lacking, as well as a general sense of immigration and population movement. It would be useful to provide context for the number of slaves in 1790 - what proportion of the population was enslaved?  Where were they concentrated? It's my understanding (don't have a source right now) that most of the slaves were in south Jersey, in the chief agricultural areas. That would make sense. --Parkwells (talk) 15:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Numbers and percentage of slaves in 1790

message: In terms of sources, the 1881 county history would likely not be considered as reliable as later works by peer-reviewed historians.--Parkwells (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 1881 history

message: There is a clear contradiction in this article; the date of abolition. It is widely accepted that New Jersey did not legally abolish slavery until 1866, with ratification of the 13th Amendment. While slave numbers had dwindled extensively (down, at last count in 1850, to a mere 226) they still, in fact and in a legal sense, existed in New Jersey until ratification. 24.88.79.249 (talk) 06:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clear Contradiction 

message: This reference shows "birth certificate" records for 15 children of slaves born in Burlington County after enactment of the 1804 law dictating freedom of such children following servitude until the age of 21 (females) or 25 (males). The Wiki article might benefit from inclusion of one of these "birth certificates" as an example.
http://www.nj.gov/state/archives/cbucl001.html
70.193.196.71 (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birth Certificates of Children of Slaves in Burlington County 

message: Unfortunately, one of the external links no longer exists as a website.  Therefore, I am going to remove it.74.102.216.186 (talk) 19:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External link 

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message: A cursory check of sources reveal the claim of Wikipedia:Copyright violations to be false. The wholesale blanking of vast amounts of material is Wikipedia:Vandalism, which has been reverted. See below examples:
:The Dutch West India Company introduced slavery in 1625 with the importation of eleven black slaves to New Amsterdam, capital of the nascent province of New Netherland. They worked as farmers, fur traders, and builders. 
:The Underground Railroad had several routes crossing the state, four of which ended in Jersey City, where fugitive slaves could cross the Hudson River.
:in part because many slaves were used as laborers in its ports and cities. After the Revolutionary War, many northern states rapidly passed laws to abolish slavery, but New Jersey did not abolish it until 1804, and then in a process of gradual emancipation similar to that of New York. But, in New Jersey, some slaves were held as late as 1865. (In New York, they were all freed by 1827.) The law made African Americans free at birth, but it required children (born to slave mothers), to serve lengthy apprenticeships as a type of indentured servant until early adulthood for the masters of their slave mothers. New Jersey was the last of the Northern states to abolish slavery completely. The last 16 slaves in New Jersey were freed in 1865 by the Thirteenth Amendment."Interview: James Oliver Horton: Exhibit Reveals History of Slavery in New York City", PBS Newshour, 25 January 2007, accessed 11 February 2012
https://www.google.nl/search?q=James+Oliver+Horton%3A+Exhibit+Reveals+History+of+Slavery+in+New+York+City%22%2C&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=Wql6WsiIN-WA8Qe6w5HwDg
:In 1875, "Jack" Jackson, who was described as the last slave in New Jersey, died at the age of 87 on the Smith family farm at Secaucus. In 1820, Abel Smith had manumitted his slaves, but Jackson refused freedom and remained on the family estate until his death. By the will of the late Abel Smith, Jackson was interred in the family burial ground.
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:In 2008, the New Jersey Legislature acknowledged the state's role in the history of slavery in the United States.
Djflem (talk) 07:52, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:   Can you address the specific claim about above and specifc claims you may have and address the issue by making the necessary corrections that would satisfy what are in your opinion the violations? Thank you. Djflem (talk) 08:56, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Likely to do with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section, where ref's are not always necessary if info later cited in body.Djflem (talk) 22:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: wholesale blanking of vast ref'd material is vandalism

message: The first two sentences in the lede were edited 13 July 2012.  They are word-for word the same as footnoted text marked copyright 1997-2013 American Civil War Institute  captured by the Wayback Macnhine 3 March 2013. These two captures are not dispositive.  ACWI may have copied from the WP article. Alternatively, the WP editor may have lifted this text from ACWI. The following four paragraphs are substantially the same; the sixth is similar in construction.  There were only two references in the first six paragraphs.
A review of the prior year's edits to the lede shows that the structure did not change, but individual paragraphs were modified. I draw the conclusion that ACWI copied from Wikipedia without attribution on or soon after 13 July 2012. Rhadow (talk) 00:44, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a reasonable analysis, although it doesn't provide 100% proof since we don't have wayback pages from every date. However, I just gave up on this after two different users remove a copyvio notice in violation of policy and when one of them accused me of vandalism when all I was trying to do was bring what appeared to be a likely copyvio to attention of an admin.--Rusf10 (talk) 02:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: A fresh look at the article

message: This bibliography was compiled by a student group currently reviewing this article as part of a history course assignment.--JBhistorian (talk) 23:58, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed bibliography for improving the article

message: Malberg, Edward I. Slavery As an Institution: New Jersey and the South. 1966.  
Call Number: E445.N54M53.  Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey Special Collections and University Archives, Rutgers University, New Brunswick, NJ.  https://catalog-libraries-rutgers-edu.proxy.libraries.rutgers.edu/vufind/Record/925201  
Raven, Catalogue, 12; Frusciano and Justice, “History and Politics,” 24
Gigantino, Ragged Road to Abolition, 130.
Gigantino, James J. "TRADING IN JERSEY SOULS:". Pennsylvania History: A Journal of Mid-Atlantic Studies. 77 (3): 282. doi:10.5325/pennhistory.77.3.0281.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joewesty (talk • contribs) 21:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Secondary Sources

message: This is a primary source:  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBhistorian (talk • contribs) 20:44, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Primary Sources

message: The article states that "The slave trade was a royal monopoly and had become a lucrative enterprise." I tried to check this. It is rather vague about dates. I presume the Royal African Company was meant, which by a charter of 1660 had been granted a monopoly over English trade along the west coast of Africa (later including slaves). However, in 1689, the Company acknowledged that it had lost its monopoly with the end of royal power in the Glorious Revolution. The Trade with Africa Act 1697 (9 Will. 3 c. 26) opened the African trade to all English merchants who paid a ten per cent levy to the Company on all goods exported from Africa. Nevertheless the company became insolvent in 1708, surviving until 1750 in a state of much reduced activity. The Company continued purchasing and transporting slaves until 1731, when it abandoned slaving in favour of ivory and gold dust. (Slave trading was doubtless lucrative for some, but it doesn't sound as though it was lucrative for the Company.) So it seems there was no monopoly during the c18. To call it a 'royal' monopoly before that could be misleading - was it not simply created by Royal Charter, even though it had royal interests? So, in short, is the sentence as it stands so vague as to be misleading? Starple (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The slave trade was a royal monopoly and had become a lucrative enterprise - vague.