Talk:Toronto Blessing

message: , I noticed the primary source tag you placed today and was wondering if you could elaborate on your thoughts. I don't think this is a primary source since it is a TV show that had nothing to do with the Toronto Blessing, but referenced it in the cited episode. Please let me know your thoughts. DoctorG  (talk) 20:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm referring to consensus achieved in the RfC: Wikipedia talk:Verifiability/Archive 63#popular-culture-RfC. In short, for inclusion of "in popular culture" content, you need to be able to cite a reliable source other than the popular culture appearance itself. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Aha! That makes sense. This was part of the article before I started working on it and, I thought it was an interesting inclusion, but wasn't really sure if it supported the content. I think it is easily removed without affecting the overall article. I haven't come across any reliable sources that reference this TV episode. Thanks for making the article better. DoctorG  (talk) 21:06, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources 

message: I think the concerns of Andrew Strom and the Kundalini Spirit issue are well addressed in the “alleged origins from outside the Christian tradition” section. This section also includes the counter argument from Randy Clark to provide an NPOV balance. I don’t think we need multiple paragraphs of content on this issue, but I could be wrong. Callsignpink (talk) 19:18, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addressing Kundalini 

message: The link is to one John Arnot who lived during the latter part of the 19th century. My guess is that this is not the current pastor of TACF. Could someone provide the correct link. Gracias!Jlujan69 00:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  John and Carol Arnot link 

message: I have lived here all my life and have never known the city to be famous for revival of the toronto blessings.  any comments? 86.134.216.101 17:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Bath, England

message: I just stumbled on this article looking for information, and it seems rather biased to me.  Quotes such as the following, for instance, aren't really helpful:
(It's a fact that Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship is not a church but a fellowship run by a family owned benevolent dictator Pastor John Arnott who has his wife Carol on the five man board along with his right hand man Pastor Steve Long to ensure that they have the monopoly and control. Yes it's not a democratic run nonprofit organization or a church owned and run by members. If John Arnott had any integrity he would have a 12 man board just like Billy Graham Evangelistic Organization? And Pastor Steve Long would not tell lies about others  and be a proven coward – The Liar )
Because of that I put up a neutrality tag.
an the x student from Toronto School of Ministry please explain why her personal encounters with this 'church' should be considered in a debate about whether or not TACF is a church or a cult? The purpose of this page was to help determine whether or not John Arnott has a 'church' that is consistent with the tenents of Christianity. So glad to hear that you went on to do a theology degree and mission work. Before doing a theology degree myself I ran playgroups for infants, does this mean that playgroups should be seen as part of the Church. Also with reference to having your confidence built up.... this is cleary a beneficial thing for Christians, however again this in itself does not make the Toronto church correct in its teachings or practices. Also I bet you paid a lot of money to have this confidence building experience. Sadly it is my experience that when people come to realise that the false prophecies, and delusions that such 'churches' cause are taken from them and reality sets text taken from the website? If they were added, please remove them, this is not an exact representation of the quote and therefore is biased in its nature, and quite frankly, not very helpful!  No I did not get this from a website!!!  I am more than capable of writing my own views on matters without cutting and pasting on a website.  I wrote the comment based on my experience at a psychiatric nurse who also has a degree in theology, unlike people who attend TACF and the likes I am able to discern!!. I hope that my comments were left on long enough to help at least one person who may be struggling mentally just now with these false teachings.
*It seems to me that the 'offending' text has gone. Any need for this neutrality tag to remain? Alpheus 18:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Neutrality?

message: I think the NOV issues have been fixed as I have done a good deal of work rearranging, citing, and cleaning up the content. Please make a not (or add some content) if you feel this is still an issue.Callsignpink (talk) 20:39, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Fixed

message: This whole article needs to be rewritten. The phenomenon is discussed under the assumption that it and God are real, and thus reads like an editorial from a Christian newsletter.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.47.81.52 (talk) 13:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What a shambles 

message: I would like to interview someone who has experienced this service. It will not matter if you have experienced the extreme behaviors mentioned in the article. I want your observations to find out what the circumstances of the service were, such as lighting, movement of congregation members, where in the group were any persons who did act out the behaviors positioned?
Researcher44
:I might be able to help. Email me. Hyper3 (talk) 08:49, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interview Wanted 

message: External link seems very biased? Perhaps a neutrality warning should be added? John.meco (talk) 16:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality: External Link 

message: I would agree with the comments that the article needs to be rewritten to eliminate the sloppiness as well as additional references collected to substantiate some the information presented. 
For example the piece about the 'Golden Spoon Prophecy' cites that it has been spreading among charismatic churches, however the reference when visited 1 Actually shows this is called the 'Golden Sword' 2 Doesn't contain any information on the spread of this teaching within charismatic churches in the 1990's up to today.
I would also suggest that a brief summation of the theological basis for the manifestations be included and referenced accordingly.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.16.236.14 (talk) 17:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  rewrite required 

message: I am far from finished with this but i have added content to the characteristics section, created an impact section, and added a chunk of legitimate references. I think we need to remove anything uncited but I'll get to that later. I'll be adding in links to articles of BLP's that were at Toronto or greatly impacted by Toronto but that will come later. I have plugged in some names but pages don't exist for all of them yet. This article is my primary focus for now so come back and check it out every few days and add in any content you think is relevant and citable.Callsignpink (talk) 02:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding content and references  

message: I removed the npov tag as I think that has been resolved. Please comment if you disagree so we can fix it. We still need more references in the history section, I'll work on that this week but it will probably require some rearrangement of material. Callsignpink (talk) 13:59, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations and NPOV

message: I have added quite a bit of content in the past few weeks, bolstered the references, and rearranged some of the flow. I think it is starting to take shape now. Please add some content if you have the time. Callsignpink (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Making Good Progress 

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