Talk:Pangender

message: Merge to pansexuality.  While the leading sentence of Pangender talks about the difference between the word 'sex' refering to anatomy versus gender identity, the Pansexuality article is clearly talking about gender identity (not someone with all anatomies :) - so they're talking about the same thing.  —Quarl (talk) 2006-01-10 06:18Z
The second paragraph is self-contradictory:
::Pangender is a term for people who feel that they cannot be labeled as female or male in gender.  ...  The term is meant by the queer community to be one that is inclusive and means "all genders".
The last sentence would imply pangender includes traditional males and females, while the first does not.  So make up your mind and add citations.  —Quarl (talk) 2006-01-10 06:18Z
* i would disagree gender and sexuality are differant issues. --Prof Jolly 12:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: January 2006

message: To me, pangender suggests that someone feels comfortable with many different gender labels, across the spectrum — drag king, manly man, mainstream male, metrosexual, androgynous, butch woman, tomboy, mainstream woman, girlie girl, drag queen — many apply.
Yes, this may fall under the umbrella of genderqueer, but only because genderqueer is a term that encompasses most gender-nonconforming identities.  Pangender is a one type of gender-nonconforming identity, and it specifically implies that one feels at home with non-androgynous identities as well as androgynous ones. --Hirsutism (talk) 14:40, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Pangender is a nonbinary, multi gender. Pangender describes the experience of a lot of or all genders within an individuals culture. Pangender people have a wide range of what they're comfortable with and it entirely depends on the individual. Some use neopronouns, some use any pronouns or others may use he, her, they.  Squishy20 (talk) 10:16, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: With all due respect, I do not agree that Pangender is a non-binary gender. The term non-binary attributes to neither male or female identities. Pangender means the individual cannot be labeled by one gender. They do not feel like more than one person, but they feel agender, female, male, genderqueer, nonbinary, bigender, demigender, etc. It cannot be labeled by another term and therefor can only be referred to as a gender identity. Not a mix. Not a fluid gender. Pangender just is and therefor we should accept that. :) 97.68.78.74 (talk) 17:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

text: I (who is pangender) think of pangender as a term for those who identify with many genders, but at the same time. I think it to be most similar to genderfluid, but instead of changing pronouns by how I feel, it's all the pronouns all the time. I actually thought it was a version of genderfluid at first. How to use pronouns for someone who is pangender is like this: "He is a really cool friend, and I like their taste in books. I really like xym and her cats." Now that just might be me, but I think that is correct. How I would describe it is as many different pronouns as possible in one sentence, to confuse the TERFs. You may disagree, but it makes me happy so I know I am correct. Please don't invalidate us and say it's the same as pansexual, genderqueer, non binary, or genderfluid. Thank you and have a nice day/night :> --Caz 19:05, 4 December 2021 (MST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caez247 (talk • contribs) 02:05, 5 Dec 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Definition 

message: Equivamp, regarding this, I agree some of that needed to be removed or reworded per WP:NOTMANUAL, but I don't see that all of it needed removal unless poorly sourced. The first listing of WP:NOTMANUAL states, "Describing to the reader how people or things use or do something is encyclopedic; instructing the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something is not." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: When I initially was drafting the edit, what remained of the section was "Pronouns are used in place of one's name" (which is true regardless of gender or species and is even true of objects);   "it and he-she are commonly considered offensive"; and information regarding presentation and medical transition which was unrelated to pronouns. I agree that the information doesn't entirely need removed, but I didn't think the section as it was could be salvaged, really. (The Genderqueer article handles discussion of pronouns and transition better.) --Equivamp - talk 14:33, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

text: Some of what you restored is using the imperative mood though. Most egregiously "Use pronouns correctly to show tolerance and respect for someone’s gender identity." Some other parts of it are just dancing around to avoid the imperative; saying what is appropriate or correct to do, which is barely shy of just saying to do it in the imperative, and in any case an unencyclopedic tone. It needs to be phrased so as to say that such-and-such advises/prefers/etc that people do so-and-so, so as to put the imperative force into someone else's voice that the encyclopedia is reporting on, rather than having it in the encyclopedia's own voice. --Pfhorrest (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Pfhorrest, I didn't restore anything; I let the content stay removed. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: True. Sorry, I must've read the edit history too quickly and mistaken the removal for a restoration. --Pfhorrest (talk) 17:48, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:NOTMANUAL]] 

message: The lede of this article states that the whole two genders theory is incorrect which is a controversial statement and by no means an accepted fact. We don't have to have the word alleged, we can have some other non-POV term. Apollo The Logician (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That you even think there is such a thing as a "two genders theory" shows that you misunderstand what that word even means. You probably think it means sex. Gender was defined from the outset (Money 1950) as a social categorization and it is a brute empirical fact that some societies use more than two such categories. There is no controversy except among uneducated people who don't know the difference between sex and gender. --Pfhorrest (talk) 21:12, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Pfhorrest is correct that there is no "two genders theory". The fact that other societies have either non-rigid or non-binary social categories based on sexual dimorphism is well accepted. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Just look up "there are two genders" in a google search.Apollo The Logician (talk) 09:06, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, top result is from some site called "Age of Shitlords", and then an angry video saying to "get the fuck over it". Not making a good case for any encyclopedically notable opinion, just a sea of misinformed idiots on the internet. --Pfhorrest (talk) 23:03, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  You cannot seriously suggest that a meme is on par with a social science theory. This is seriously testing AGF... EvergreenFir (talk) 18:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It has its own page called Genderism Apollo The Logician (talk) 20:00, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That article's talk page is full of accusations of it being a neologism (as you accuse this article of) and also a POV fork of gender binarism. The latter of which is the view that there ought to only be two genders, not the assertion that there are only two genders, so asserting that something is a third or nonbinary gender isn't biased against binarist views, it's just saying that it's the kind of thing those views are against. C.f. saying that homosexuality is a sexual orientation is not biased against heterosexism; heterosexism is just opposed to people being homosexual, it doesn't claim that nobody is homosexual. --Pfhorrest (talk) 22:19, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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message: :Category:Genderqueer has been nominated for renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.
Thought this was relevant to this page and yes I am the nominator. --Devin Kira Murphy (talk) 03:52, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  CfD nomination of [[:Category:Genderqueer]] 

message: I just looked over Pangender. The only citation is a dicdef. I think that could be merged and redirected to Genderfluid or Non-binary gender in general, as well. Though, if there's no better sourcing than a dicdef and the source that was flagged as a copy from WP, we might just want to turn Pangender to a redirect and leave it at that. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 20:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably the right move; however, Corbie, do you have any objection to my moving this entire subsection ('Pangender') to Talk:Pangender as a new section?  That's really the proper place to attract interested parties to comment. (If you do it before I get to it, please use template ; thanks.) Mathglot (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections. I'll take care of it right now. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 23:10, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

text: I have no objection to this particular merge/redirect. Funcrunch (talk) 23:36, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

text: You're replying to a two-year-old discussion; Pangender has already been redirected to Non-binary gender#Definitions and identity. Funcrunch (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect to Genderfluid