Talk:Halifax, Nova Scotia/Archive 1

message: We now have a incoherent collection of Halifax/HRM-related articles. The History of Halifax page is very well-written (though lacking a reference to its role in the Titanic disaster), but the page Halifax, Nova Scotia (former city) is a mess. I can repair the grammar and typos but I’ve neither the time nor energy to re-structure it. The page appears to have been badly mauled by the frequently-blocked contributor Matthvm/Patycat.
I thought that we (the local Wikipedians) had a reasonable solution to the “name that city” problem — the HRM page would deal with the greater metropolitan area and link to various sub-articles (Halifax Harbour and so on.) Pages for Halifax, Nova Scotia (former city), Dartmouth, Bedford and the rest should be small and strictly focused on local information. Contributors should ask themselves, “Is this item of significance to the metropolitan area? (e.g., The Halifax explosion) Or is this item only important within a local context? (e.g., Peter Kelly was the last mayor of Bedford)
If in doubt, bring the matter up on the Talk Page before taking a chainsaw to an already reasonably well-written page.--OldCommentator 13:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's also high time that someone archived the older material on this page. I'd do it myself if I knew how.--OldCommentator 13:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: One great big mess

message: Beer paragraph -- NPOV? 18.24.0.120 16:36, 24 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV?

message: Do you think it appropriate to have this page at Halifax Regional Municipality, Nova Scotia? This strikes me as a bit much. After all, we don't have Montreal, Quebec at Ville de Montréal, Quebec. Furthermore, nearly all the links pointing to this page go through the redirect to Halifax, Nova Scotia. I think this article would be better served by being at Halifax, Nova Scotia. - Montréalais 05:37, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree. The HRM, NS addition just makes the article cumbersome. We should stick with the names of the cities, Halifax, Dartmouth, Bedford, for the bulk of the articles.  HRM is fine for a small explanatory article mentioning the merger. Peregrine981 17:13, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Halifax, Nova Scotia article has HRM flag, HRM crest, HRM image.  It has slowly been re-writen to include an overview of Halifax, Dartmouth, Bedford, County.  I think this article is redundent.  We should fold the minimal information on this page into the Halifax page and then create a redirect.  If anything, there needs to be a 'City of Halifax (former)' page or something to put Halifax specific history on, and links to it, like there are links to Bedford and dartmouth.WayeMason 13:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Name

message: Hello there, I hope the more people are pleased than disappointed with the work so far.  A solid foundation for a Halifax, Nova Scotia page is now in that article, it includes most if not everything from the history section of this article.  This article now contains the content of the HRM page merged with  the HRM/Halifax content from the 'old' halifax page.  Issues that remain:
*removing the history.  Painful as this may be for some, Dartmouth, Bedford, county and Halifax pages have history and community on them.  I would propose that HRM page should have history from amalgamation onward.  So right now that is debate that lead to, and then amalgamation, and Juan, I guess. 
*I think that the remaining sections, education, culture, etc should stay on HRM page.  There is no Dartmouth media.  There is one Halifax Regional school board.  We are a community of communities, but most of the major institutions serve most of the population.
*On the other hand, most of what makes Greater Halifax great means absolutely nothing to someone from Ship Harbour.  So the isolation from core services of the eastern edge of the region should be noted.  It takes, for example, 3 hours to drive from Dalhousie University to Moser river.  Nobody out there enjoys access to most HRM services.
Final note, it happened that while I was putting the merged files up on line, a user from Halifax, West Yorkshire moved that page to the Halifax page.  In the end we went back and forth and ended up with the disambugation page there.  I think thats wrong but I do not know what to do about it.  WayeMason 23:03, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Most people looking for information on Halifax would just look up "Halifax". So I would have to agree with WayeMason in that all information regarding the metro area as a whole should be in the Halifax article; with the HRM article being about the municipal government. Kirjtc2 22:58, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

text: I took the liberty of moving Kirjtc2's post down under this header as we were posting tonight at the same time...  I have changed my stance somewhat from earlier feelings about the issue...  I think HRM is the focus now, for things since 1996.   WayeMason 23:05, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I like it Waye - long overdue IMHO.  Totally hear you on the Eastern Shore business - one Saturday I decided to drive from Hubbards to Ecum Secum and then to Trafalgar and then Mount Uniacke - took 9 hours!!!  I had considered making changes along these lines to how Halifax/HRM were being referenced last year but go stung when adding information about Halifax vs. HRM on the "Halifax" entry.  Ironically to most of the "old Halifax" crowd (who don't like to admit it), the population growth in the areas of the former Municipality of the County of Halifax has been greater since the formation of HRM than in the former city, although some vertical residential development is changing things.  The HRM article as it stands (edits aside), and the suggestions about community histories, are appropriate.  Cheers,Plasma east 00:16, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Great Merger 

message: I removed The Trews from the notable persons section, they are from Antigonish, not halifax--BoyoJonesJr 16:36, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Haligonians

message: Halifax is at one end of the longest-running saltwater ferry in North America. Dartmouth is the other.  Trekphiler 00:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: I had always thought Chebucto meant 'biggest harbour'. But I heard a speech by an old Mikmaq chief recently about the native experience in Nova Scotia, and he said Chebucto means 'sacred fire'. Anybody know which is true? The Singing Badger 19:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not, but there is this great resource at http://www.mikmaqonline.org/ that I have used.  Unfortunately it defines Jipugtug as "Halifax." and nothing else.  I searched for lexemes of "sacred" "fire" and "holy" and did not come up with anything related to sacred fire.  However, searching for "big" turns up "Elsipugtug" which it says means Big Cove.  Now, correlation does not imply causation but it seems there is a good chance that "pugtug" is the miqmaw lexeme for "big water" or something similar.  Now, I dunno, thats a wild ass guess, really.  The other important thing is the dictionary is maintained by a band in QUEBEC in the Gaspe, so who knows, maybe there is a Bronx, Brooklyn and Boston accent in Mic Mac...  its something I would sure like to know!  It could also be that there is a similar but not identical word in miqmaq that DOES mean "sacred fire"  hope this gives you a start, anyway!  WayeMason 20:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't speak Miqmaq, but have a native speaker, an aboriginal, and will ask him later tonight, and edit if needed Sod Aries 19:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Anybody speak Miqmaq?

message: I believe that Robb (Ricky) is from Moncton, and not Halifax. Robb Wells mctnguy 23:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Robb Wells

message: Any opinions on possibly just changing the name to Halifax, Nova Scotia and starting the article off with:
:Halifax, Nova Scotia, formally the Halifax Regional Municipality, is a Canadian city in (etc). It is a regional municipality made up of the Halifax Peninsula, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Mainland Halifax, and a number of other communities (see below) that amalgamated in 1996.
Of course the real thing would be much better than that paragraph though. We could have a section with the seperate components of the municipality (Dartmouth, etc), and have a brief description of each along with a link to a main article. Just thought the name change might clear up some confusion. Any idea/opinions? Ouuplas 02:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Halifax and Halifax Regional Municipality are two completely different things . Halifax is alegal place name . Halifax Regional Municipality is an Municipality and the two should seperate - Halifax Regional Municipality is NOT a city but a Municipality that is larger than Prince Edward Island and has 200 communities with in it not leave out that its and urban and rural place Leave it alone it will just cause too much confusion--Vic 04:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't get what you're getting at here by saying "leave it alone". As it stands now, Halifax, Nova Scotia is a redirect to the HRM article. Personally, I stand by my earlier conviction that the main article should be titled Halifax, Nova Scotia and should describe the whole metro area with an emphasis on the former city (see Montreal or Boston for an example of what I mean), while Halifax Regional Municipality should be a smaller article on local government. Kirjtc2 15:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change? 

message: A regional municipality (or region) is a type of Canadian municipal government which works much like a county; the method of government depends on how it is defined. Sometimes it is legislated or more efficient to provide certain services, such as water, emergency services, and waste management, over an area that includes more than one local municipality. For this reason, regions may be involved in providing services to residents and businesses.
Regional municipalities are sometimes referred to as "upper tier" municipalities
--Pat 20:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A regional municipality

message: I agree with others that the title is cumbersome and unwieldy.  It should be at Halifax, Nova Scotia.  There may be technical arguments to justify the current title, but I'm sure these have parallels for many other territorial and provincial capitals around the world. --Saforrest 16:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title must be changed 

message: HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNCIPALITY  was established in April 1 ,1996 not the settlement of Halifax (former city) in1749,--Vic 18:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Estabishment

message: The Kingfisher is not the symbol of HALIFAX REGIONAL MUNCIPALITY  its th symbol of the former city of Halifax--Vic 18:07, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You two sound suspiciously like the same person... Ouuplas 23:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: KingFisher

message: Any thoughts? Would something like that be possible/allowed? I'm sure all the little technicalities could be ironed out in one way or another. Ouuplas 20:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: NO Its LEGAL NAME IS Halifax Regional  Municipality  NOT Halifax .aNY OTHER NAME IS wrong Is Hamalton called peel ? Get a grip man  . It should called its LEGAL name the way the government of Nova Scotia calls it --Vic 22:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Any other thoughts? Ouuplas 02:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I have no opinion on this question, but how on earth is Hamilton vs. Peel a valid comparison? Hamilton and Peel aren't even adjacent to each other, let alone one being part of the other. Bearcat 16:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name change - could someone start a formal vote? 

message: It is Named Halifax Regional Municipality, Nova Scotia any one with a grade 5 education can tell you that--Vic 22:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: It is Named Halifax Regional Municipality, Nova Scotia