Talk:Michael Kimmel

message: This "Reception" section was added in 2010. Anthony Synnott's characterization of Kimmel as "misandric" ("Michael Kimmel, who owns Men's Studies in the States, is particularly misandric...") still remains in the article. The source is an opinion piece of questionable reliability published in Psychology Today. Synnott argues that "misandry is everywhere" and characterizes basically everything, from Alice Walker's The Color Purple, the focus on violence against women after the École Polytechnique massacre, to pro-feminist literature (he calls it "propaganda") as "misandric". He does not always explain why he believes something is "misandric". In Kimmel's case, he offers an explanation: Michael Kimmel, who owns Men's Studies in the States, is particularly misandric, opening his book "Manhood in America" (1996) with a long list of male villains - not a hero, hard working man, good father, Nobel Peace Prize winner, not a useful Newton, Darwin, Freud, Einstein, Gandhi, Mandela, King, Carnegie Medal winner in sight. It's amazing. Then in "Men's Lives" he adds more villains and this suggestion: "Perhaps we should slap a warning label on penises across the land. WARNING: OPERATING THIS INSTRUMENT CAN BE DANGEROUS TO YOUR AND OTHERS' HEALTH" (2004:565. His emphasis). One wonders if he is wearing this label on his own penis. Does he practice what he preaches? Oh well. But such is the "scholarship" on men these days: dehumanizing.
The slapping "a warning label" sentence is quoted out of context. Kimmel and Messner write: "But it's not men on trial here; it's masculinity, or rather the traditional definition of masculinity, a definition that leads to certain behaviors that we now see as problematic and often physically threatening. Under prevailing definitions, men have and are the politically incorrect sex. Perhaps we should slap a warning label..." Clearly, Kimmel and Messner discuss the "traditional definition of masculinity" rather than "men". His other explanation that Kimmel is "misandric" because he doesn't start "Manhood in America" with a hymn of praise for Einstein et al. is absurd. Kimmel mentions 7 successful and famous men including Woody Allen and Michael Jackson. 
Apart from the above mentioned problems, Synnott's description of Kimmel as "misandric" is completely undue. Kimmel may not "own Men's Studies in the States" as Synnott says, but he is considered an expert in the field of gender and men's studies and Synnott's reading of Kimmel represents an extreme minority view. There are also sources claiming that Obama is a socialist but we exclude such sources per WP:UNDUE.
I propose to remove the paragraph in question. But I would love to hear more opinions. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 17:51, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with your argument. But in the discussion I had with Cybermud (above), you will see that I also suggest that for a scholar as prolific as Kimmel, there is bound to be some legitimate and serious criticism of his work. Perhaps that can be included, where appropriate. Mike Restivo (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure it can. But the criticism (if you can call it that) in the article is neither legitimate nor serious and it's not a criticism of Kimmel's work, it's an attack on Kimmel. How is calling someone a "misandrist" because he fails to mention Einstein and other great male scientists in the introductions of his books a criticism worth including in an encyclopedic article? I know you did your best to reword Synnott's accusations, but the fact remains that he calls Kimmel, not Kimmel's work "misandric". The fact also remains that the quality of the source is subpar. I'll remove the accusations per WP:BLP. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 18:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Support removal per WP:BLP. Having criticism in the article is fine, but throwing in personal attacks is both unencyclopedic and in danger of violating WP:BLP, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 09:54, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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message: I've removed an extraneous factoid about Kimmel being Jewish for now. Feel free to add an appropriately sourced explanation of how his ethnicity or religion is pertinent to his life and career, if applicable. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 07:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
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message: I have added a short reference to the accusations of sexual misconduct Kimmel has received over his career. After making this edit, I noticed that one particular user has previously tried to remove any reference to this from the article. Rather than engage in an edit war, it would be better if future edits were discussed here instead. Toofarfromhome (talk) 02:06, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accusations of sexual harassment