Talk:Bleeding Through

message: I agree that metalcore is appropriate, but I also believe they are a hardcore punk band. Before anybody says these two genres are mutually exclusive, they're not necessarily. Metalcore has hardcore punk in it, as does hardcore. The difference, however, is that Bleeding Through are a LOT more hardcore than they are metal. As the "metalcore" band they are, they are (for example) 70% hardcore and 30% metal. Some of their songs are hardcore with very little influence from heavy metal, which would be more hardcore than metalcore, whereas other songs of theirs fall more under the metalcore category. So, if nobody wishes to dispute this, I will also add them as a hardcore punk band. James25402 14:00, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't really understand why you guys are arguing over this. Bleeding Through is like one of the most obvious examples of metalcore. They're definitely metalcore, just check the definition of the genre and then listen to any of their songs, or something. They have solos, for God's sake, they have melodic singing, and sure they also have breakdowns. But what kind of HC punk band has solos and melodic vocals, c'mon guys... Gocsa 23:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And those 70-30% things are not really true, it is more like fifty-fifty, especially with their newer stuff, e.g. the latest album has even more metal in it. And it doesn't matter if a band occassionally has different songs than its main genre. They had almost pure HC songs but their main stuff, and the singles they release, so their mainstream image is absolutely metalcore. Thanks for reading. Gocsa 23:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know, I know, James25402 said it, and there is another argument above about the whole genre thing, someone saying they're simply "hardcore" and that it is an existing genre. But of course, no, hardcore is just short for hardcore punk, and also for the hardcore techno (and maybe for other hardcore stuff, like hardcore rap etc. or hardcore porn...) but let's stay within heavy metal. The argument can be closed because they're a 100% metalcore, at least for the moment. Maybe it'll change with the next album who knows:D Gocsa 00:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardcore? 

message: See Good Article Criteria for further details.
:GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:a (fair representation):  b (all significant views): 
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#:a (tagged and captioned):  b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA):  c (non-free images have fair use rationales): 
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#:a Pass/Fail: 
As of July 10, 2007, Bleeding Through does not meet all Good Article Criterion, failing in various places. To begin this assessment, the article needs, at least, one reference for each paragraph. In MANY situations, there aren't references for even three paragraphs in a row. The article is poorly written and littered with numerous neutrality and WP:OR issues. Some examples:
*"...they embarked upon US nationwide touring in fall pitched in with AFI and Hot Water Music." The sentence makes absolutely no sense, and also needs a reference. 
*"These dates would propel the band into the American conscience albeit for all the wrong reasons." Horribly worded, and needs a reference. 
*"Traveling from Utah to a show in Colorado the group's vehicle hit black ice on the highway, spinning out of control." Not a complete sentence. 
*"A mobile TV unit, there to report on another crash, caught the entire incident on film as their equipment trailer rolled and exploded, showering their instruments and gear across the road. Fortunately the band escaped with only minor injuries (Johnson had a minor cut on his head), but due to this accident they had to drop off the "Pure Hatred" tour with Chimaira, Soilwork and As I Lay Dying.[13] The KSL-TV footage of the accident taking place can be viewed in Real Media format here. The dramatic televised footage was broadcast everywhere from CNN Headline News, Good Morning America, NBC News and even The Weather Channel." Needs many, many, many references. Furthermore, NO in-line embedded links are permitted. 
*"The following year kicked off with the band's "Mutilation Tour", which culminated in a triumphant soldout performance near their Orange County home that was captured on a live DVD, and from there saw them land a coveted spot on Ozzfest 2004, sharing the second stage alongside headline act Slipknot and fellow supports Unearth, Lamb of God, Every Time I Die, Hatebreed, Lacuna Coil and Atreyu." POV, needs references, and a run-on sentence. Soldout should be sold-out per WP:MOS.  
Overall, the article is in fairly bad shape. A peer review is a good place to start. The above examples and outlines were taken from two paragraphs (in the same section, one after the other). Had I combed the article completely for any problems, the list would be far bigger. It needs a great deal of work before nominating it for another GAC.  If you feel that this review has been conducted in error, feel free to take it to a GA review. NSR77 TC 22:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:GAC|GA]] Review - Failed

message: Unfortunately, I must fail this article once again. While it is now OK with references, some NPOV problems still plague the article, showing great bias in favor of the band's actions. Also, the lead does not accurately summarize the article, as outline by WP:LEAD. NSR77 TC 00:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the lead needs work, but what are the NPOV problems? Why is it biased when I added both negative and positive reviews of albums, and I wrote that the latest album received lukewarm reviews etc. I deleted the opinions about any of their concerts, tours, or actions. Please give me some help. Gocsa 15:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Review - Failed (2)

message: This article has been put on hold due to a lack of coverage. This article could also use the following sections:
* Criticisms 
* Music Production and development
* Performance on Charts
Thanks and have a nice day and feel free to contact me when these concerns are addressed. If you feel that this GA review is in error feel free to take it to WP:GA/R. Tarret 02:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA On Hold

message: This article has passed the GA noms. For WP:FAC I would suggest adding a criticisms section, any more important information about the articles subject, and an A-class peer review by this articles relevant wikiproject. Tarret 16:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Passed

message: Look, I understand that there are sources, but no, this is not a Melodic Death Metal.
They are, however, Melodic Metalcore. Can we find any sources for that? 69.251.198.48 (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melodic Death Metal? WTF?! 

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