Talk:Feces

message: I was about to correct the spelling as a misspelling when I saw that this is a known issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences 
The argument seems to be that because feces is spelt that way in US English that is OK. 
The etymology is from Latin faeces "sediment, dregs", which, to me, means that feces is a mis-spelling fallen into common US usage.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Timp21337 (talk • contribs) 12:49, December 9, 2014‎
:It seems that many English readers find the alternate spellings to be jarring.  So, Wikipedia has found compromises and built policies to avoid edit warring over spelling - see WP:ENGVAR.--Mojo Hand (talk) 14:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be a misspelling, if we were using Latin. We aren't. We use one national variety of English in each article, as explained in WP:ENGVAR. As the subject does not have strong ties to any one country (everybody poops), we go with the variety first established in the article. In this case, that's American English. - SummerPhD (talk) 15:23, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  And to add to what SummerPhD already explained, the idea of a "misspelling fallen into common US usage" is not correct. It is not a mistake that American English chooses "e" instead of "ae" or "oe" in many words of Latin origin that are now "naturalized citizens" of English. It's an intentional choice. Read more at articles on, for example, phonemic orthography, spelling reform, æ, and œ. Although English orthography does not have regular spelling to the extent that Spanish or German have it, English-language spelling reform has effected a few changes over the centuries, such as this one, although they are not all adopted in every region. To sum up, the "it hurts" in the heading of this section reflects discomfort born of misapprehension. Once the misapprehension is cleared up, the pain subsides. Quercus solaris (talk) 13:31, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why US spelling, it hurts 

message: Hi DawnDusk, I quite like your idea of using these two photos for the lead (I have made the background white though, I think that looks better). However, we have had quite a debate about using an image of a "real, fresh human feces" on the page of human feces (see talk page). In the end, I found a compromise that seemed to stick: no photo in the lead, and rather a photo of dried human feces later on. When they are dried, they are less repulsive. Personally, I don't have a problem with showing raw human feces (but I work in the sanitation field), but we don't want to shock others too much. So if there are objections to your collage of two photos, I would say we either move them from the lead further down or we replace the human feces photo with one that shows dried human feces. Thoughts anyone? EvM-Susana (talk) 08:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! I checked out that talk page; the debate rages on from 2005 and is still fresh now in 2015. That's half my life. Jesus! Anyway, it seems you're right; the consensus is that WP:NOTCENSORED, but there is shock value to wet human feces. I'm all for either one - though I'm curious to know what you think - will people get upset about it as it is now? Does its juxtaposition and comparison to the elephant feces lessen the blow? What should we base the decision on? You definitely have far more experience than I - I will defer to you, my friend. DawnDusk (talk) 09:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, I am also undecided. The thing is, I deal with sanitation in my day job so such photos do not shock me at all. But not sure about the average Wikipedia reader... Perhaps we wait and see if some more reactions come in? I can also ask Doc_James who always has good advice on such matters. If we decide that the human feces need to be more in a dried state, I have plenty of photo options (like the one I inserted in the page for human feces. In any case, how can we make the two images in this collage the same size? It doesn't look so good that the image of the human feces is bigger than the image of the animal feces. EvM-Susana (talk) 09:18, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Unfortunately, I don't think we can get them the same size because their image proportions are different ratios. Instead, I made them the same height - how does that look to you? Anyway - I hear what you're saying. Something tells me the 10-year old war will come back and blow up on the two of us making innocent additions, lol. However, it sounds like you have the best plan we possibly can in this landmine. Tell me as you need my help at all, my friend. DawnDusk (talk) 09:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

text: I don't think that's a good one for the lead of this article for two reasons: this article is also about animal feces whereas the Bristol stool chart only focussed on human feces. Secondly, it is already used on the page for human feces (where it could be put in the lead if people prefer that). I actually quite like the two images side by side (elephant and human), I think it looks quite good now. EvM-Susana (talk) 10:06, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  New photos of feces for the lead 

message: Feces
Lovethelord801 (talk) 20:43, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: True, not a good one, as it's mixed with straw. I will delete it, do you have a better one to replace it (on Wikimedia Commons)?EvM-Susana (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2015 

message: 2601:243:A03:46E6:B89C:1542:61AA:69DA (talk) 01:31, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
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thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2015 

message: Unbelievable.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.198.23.232 (talk) 21:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it's a toilet bowl, actually.--Mojo Hand (talk) 01:58, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  On a dinner plate. Really! 

message: With respect, yes, we do address major spelling distinctions in the , usually in the . If the rather twee faeces is becoming deservedly less common in British English, the phrasing should change from ~ (US) or ~ (UK) to something along the lines of fetus ~, also spelled ~,. — LlywelynII 21:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi there, as far as I know faeces is British English (and not diminishing!) and feces is American English. I just don't like your use of abbreviations here (US and UK) as people from e.g. developing countries may not be as familiar with these abbreviations as you are. Shouldn't it be U.S. anyhow? I just think it doesn't hurt to spell it out: American English and British English, rather than just US, UK. EvM-Susana (talk) 21:43, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WP:LEAD]]

message: I have done a bit of a clean up and restructuring here. I moved some content to the page on human feces as it fitted better there if this is meant to be an overview page about feces of humans and animals. Am considering moving some more content across that is currently here under "society and culture" but that's specific for human feces like the part about caste in India. Do people agree? EvM-Susana (talk) 10:15, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Restructuring, moved content to page on human feces

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I am planning on making a series of edits. A series, as if anyone does not agree with one, they can just revert the edit. I have listed the changes I have made below. If you would like to reword any of these, go ahead.
:1. A Japanese sewage treatment facility mines the sewers for metals. This idea was also tested by the US Geological Survey (USGS) which found the sewerage generated by 1 million people contained 13 million dollars worth of precious metals. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gold-sewage-odd-idUSTRE50T56120090130, https://www.rt.com/usa/243377-mining-sewage-precious-metals-studies/.
:2. 200 species of ants farm fungi for food, fertilising it with their dung. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/qi/8049221/QI-Quite-Interesting-facts-about-bugs.html
:3. Llama dung has been added to water treatment lagoons in Bolivia to remove dangerous metals. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/1793381.stm
:4. Kitchen refuse can be reduced by more than 90% in mass by using bacteria extracted from the faeces of giant pandas. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1389172301803261
:5. Penguins when pooing to avoid messing up their feathers and nests, point their bottoms out of the nests and shoot it up to 40 centimetres away. This is used by scientists to track them from space. http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141210-surprising-use-of-penguin-poo, http://qi.com/infocloud/penguins
:6. In WW2, German soldiers ate horse poo to treat dysentery. http://mentalfloss.com/article/23998/7-creative-uses-poop
:7. Physicians used to taste patient faeces to better judge state and condition. https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qsv_Y0DOVUsC&redir_esc=y
:8. In Malaysia, tea is made from the droppings of stick insects fed on guava leaves. http://qi.com/infocloud/dung
:9. Washington DC has unveiled a faeces powered power plant which will save 13 million dollars a year. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/poop-flush-power/2015/10/07/d0c9c6de-6c3a-11e5-9bfe-e59f5e244f92_story.html
:10. Adding baby faeces to sausages makes the sausage taste the same, but makes it lower in fat and salt. http://qi.com/infocloud/sausages
:11. A dung-fired power station ahs been operating at Holsworthy in Devon since 2002. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2135431.stm
:12. If harnessed as an energy source, the biogas from faeces could be worth as much as 9.5 billion dollars. http://news.discovery.com/human/will-the-future-be-powered-by-feces-151103.htm
:13. Ambergris is still used for perfume manufacturing. http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/magazine/ambergris-treasure-of-the-deep-01122012.html
:: I don't agree with most of your edits here. This seems to be a list of "trivia", some of which is from doubtful sources. Some of them don't belong to this article anyhow but rather to the article on sewage or sewage treatment, for example. EvMsmile (talk) 05:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am sorry, but to me this looked like an arbitrary collection of "facts" about feces. The kind of thing you can find all over the internet with usually dubious sources - but not relevant for a Wikipedia article on feces. I have moved those sentences that dealt with feces as an energy source to the right section, although even those sentences should be double checked and perhaps deleted. Just referencing a newspaper article is hardly a reliable source. EvMsmile (talk) 12:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hello All, - a series of edits 

message: The following opinion is presented as a fact and requires a citation:
"In all human cultures, feces elicit varying degrees of disgust, a basic human emotion."
Dstrodtman (talk) 05:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Done clpo13(talk) 18:57, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2016 

message: Many animals can also be trained by using cotton pad squares that they can do their business on. 
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replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 12:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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message: Will you please change the word "reestablish" to "re-establish"? Thanks
Deathclaw409 (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: -- Dane2007 talk  00:12, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2016 

message: I've just moved quite a bit of text from here to the article on human feces, particular in the section on uses. There was a mixture of uses of animal and human feces, and I felt it was neater to keep that information in two different articles. So the article is now initially an overview article for feces in general, but when it comes to uses it focuses on animal feces uses; for human feces uses the reader is referred to the other article. I hope others agree that it is better like this. EMsmile (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Streamlined this article with [[human feces]]

message: Thanks, User:Cruithne9 for your recent edits to the lead where you clarified aspects of the content of feces. Are there any references that could be cited to substantiate what you wrote? Also, this strikes me as quite interesting so I think we should also explain that more in the article itself not just in the lead (the lead just being a summary of the article). Could you help with that? EMsmile (talk) 09:45, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thank you for the compliment. I have not added anything to the article itself yet (pressed for time!). But any decent physiology textbook would allow any editor to make the relevant contribution.  Cruithne9 (talk) 14:29, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Add references for information on content of feces?

message: I disagree with this content which was added to the lead recently by User:Morosulo. I have already removed it once but it was reinstated:
The process requires pressures that may reach 100 mm Hg in humans  cite book|last1=Langley|first1= L.I.|last2=Cheraskin|first2= E.|title= The Physiology of Man|year=1958|publisher= McGraw Hill, N.Y.}} and 450 mm Hg in penguins as measured by Meyer-Rochow and Gal. The forces required to expel the feces are generated through muscular contractions and a build-up of gases inside the gut, prompting the sphincter to relieve the pressure on it and to release the feces. 
Firstly, it does not belong to the lead. If anything it could go somewhere in the main article. The lead is meant to be a summary of the most important points. Secondly, it is not understandable. A lay person will not know what 100 mg Hg is! It might fit better on the page of excretion. Secondly, why these wiki-links?: by Meyer-Rochow and Gal. Makes no sense. Thirdly the references are not well done - there is no way for someone to check them (using a reference from 1958 - surely something more recent is available. EMsmile (talk) 16:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the content in question could be moved to the article on defecation where it fits much better. EMsmile (talk) 00:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've now added a new short section on physiology and added it there. I still don't like the "100 mg Hg" for laypersons - how could this be done better? At least with a wiki link? EMsmile (talk) 11:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with EMsmile that this phrase needs to be restated: "requires pressures that may reach 100 mm Hg in humans and 450 mm Hg in penguins."  Interesting, but too scientific for the general reader. Could this be rephrased to "penguins are able to exert 4.5 x more pressure than humans."  Also interesting that this enables penguins to excrete outside of their nests without leaving their nests. But are we leaving the topic of feces and getting into anatomy?PlanetCare (talk) 16:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Disagree with new content added to lead

message: The link for the Tulane article 'Cars Could Run on Recycled Newspaper, Tulane Scientists Say' should be updated to 'https://news.tulane.edu/pr/cars-could-run-recycled-newspaper-tulane-scientists-say' for easy access. The current link (http://tulane.edu/news/releases/pr_082511.cfm) does not work and you have to search the Tulane website for the one I provide above. Thanks. Pwinzer (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: - ~Thank you for reporting this. All the best, Taketa (talk) 12:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
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message: Under the 'Feelings of Disgust' subtitle, the word 'flishing' in the sentence, 'Disgust toward feces appears to be strongest in modern Western cultures where flishing toilets make olfactory contact with it minimal.' should be changed to flushing as I believe it was a typo. FWESC (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DannyS712 (talk) 23:46, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2018 

message: There is a Pile of Poo emoji represented in Unicode as U+1F4A9 💩 PILE OF POO, called unchi or unhci-kun in Japan.[30][31]
TYPO: "unhci-kun" should be unchi-kun  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.242.134.198 (talk) 02:59, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: Aaron Justin Giebel (talk) 02:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  We should move it to Stool. 

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message: I am just wondering if we really need this hatnote or if it could be done differently. I think it gives too much emphasis to a little-known American band: ""Fecal matter" redirects here. For the American punk rock band, see Fecal Matter (band)." What do you all think? EMsmile (talk) 02:53, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Remove hatnote?

message: The word "feces" is a plurale tantum, meaning that it has no singular form. Pluralia tantum are still plural and must be treated as such. So, one would say "Feces are" and not "Feces is". Perhaps the confusion has to do with singular collective nouns (e.g. the family is large) or mass nouns (e.g. the water is cold), both of which are singular (with some exceptions, of course). The Google Ngram Viewer is a good tool for this. – Vonkworm (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification on the word "Feces" as a plural noun 

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message: How can something that every normally functioning human being produces at least every couple of days be of "low importance"?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.137.178.203 (talk) 09:00, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Poop is very important, even though we don't like to see it often.  Cassie Schebel, almost a savant. <3 (talk) 16:13, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Low importance? 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think "pp small=yes" is supposed to be in the source of the article and might need to be removed Cool-person27 (talk) 16:18, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: .  Hello .  That coding is for the template that creates the small lock icon near the top of the page.  The lock icon is a standard practice on Wikipedia, and it helps notify editors that the page is under semi-protection.--Mojo Hand (talk) 16:41, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
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message: I’m not sure if the record has been broken but I do know that once a guy who collects antique dinosaur feces once broke the world record of the biggest dinosaurs fece Wikilover126 (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The worlds biggest dinosaur poo 

message: Change line "Birds (individual) droppings" to "Birds (individual) Droppings Arsijan (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. There is already a discussion at Talk:Bird droppings regarding its status, and such a link would have to depend on that consensus. Jalen Folf (talk) 04:25, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: I am sujaan and i am 22 years old and I would like to be and editor because i am good in English 2001:8F8:1B6D:12A:DC77:6E52:CEE3:E34D (talk) 14:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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message: In the final paragraph of the “Uses of animal feces” heading, the paragraph pertaining to the Middle Eastern usage under the subheading “other uses,” is unfounded and not cited. The paragraph holds no truth and is likely vandalism. Foedit (talk) 06:21, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The claim was added here without providing any source, I've reverted it. Deltaspace42 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
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message: Feces is a plural noun. The opening definition should use “were” instead of “was” and “have” instead of “has”.
"Feces are the solid or semi-solid remains of food that were not digested in the small intestine, and have been broken down by bacteria in the large intestine." 138.88.69.220 (talk) 15:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: . You're parsing it wrong. "Feces are the...remains of (FOOD that...has been broken down by bacteria)". --jpgordon𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇 16:47, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024 

message: The word poop is not linked to the Wikipedia page on poop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poop). I can not complete my Wikipedia speed run from "anything" to "poop" because of that. Please help change that urgently. 
Thank you :) Bytebanterer (talk) 17:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: DAB pages are almost never directly linked per WP:INTDAB. Liu1126 (talk) 22:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
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