Talk:Tottenham Hotspur F.C./Archive 1

message: Can anyone update their cross investments/ownerships in other football clubs.  I have seen that they sold the majority of their stake in Slavia Prague thus avoiding falling foul of UEFA rules but have not seen any published confirmation. --Vivbaker 09:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ENIC

message: 2 things:
1- The kit is inaccurate, but I don't know how to do that part. The home shirt's base color is white, while the away's is blue. They both look the same in the art.
2- Are we able to add a third shirt design? Spurs are not the only team in the world with three shirts in rotation (Man U- Black is one). What about goalkeeper shirts? 
68.249.73.174 20:00, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have managed to get the home shirt right - but i'm having trouble with the away. I could get the away kit to just be all blue, but for the mean time i'll try and see if i can get it correct!--Cavs 19:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colours

message: I suggest removing this section.  There's no evidence for most of them, and no real reason for an encyclopaedia to list them. Someone's just added Phil Cornwell, which, apart from being a red link (I know who he presumably is - the comedian from Dead Ringers etc. - but that's just my guess!) doesn't give any evidence whatsoever.  It also means people add spurious names (like Roy Keane twice!) or their own names etc.  Any thoughts on this? Stephenb (Talk) 12:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered about him yesterday but if you google his name you get this, which does state he's a Spurs fan. I must admit that the list is a little long and some of the other teams do have a similar list. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 14:33, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, so he is!  Perhaps the list ought to specify that such a link ought to be included with each entry.  That said, I still think its essentially non-encyclopaedic information - it's not about the club, more about the person listed - perhaps a category of "Tottenham Hotspur F.C Fans" (and similar for the other clubs) would be better? Hmmm, actually, I like that idea - where's the best place to suggest it more generally? Stephenb (Talk) 17:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not create List of notable Tottenham Hotspur F.C. fans rather than a new category? CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 01:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's another idea, though it might get a merge tag suggesting merging back to the original article! :-) Anyway, when I have some spare time again, I might just try that - this list doesn't do add anything useful where it is - it says virtually nothing about the club. Stephenb (Talk) 09:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, or maybe not - see this deletion discussion.  Maybe they should just be removed - the list is really non-encyclopaedic, pretty unverifiable (odd web pages/discussion boards etc. can't really count) and if the information isn't notable enough for a mention on the individuals page (category or not) then it isn't notable enough here.  Perhaps we ought to vote on the sections removal? Stephenb (Talk) 09:43, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Famous/infamous fans

message: As of the revision 2006-01-19 19:16:46, the version of the club badge used on this page was the one uploaded by me. It is black like the badge was released to press on Thursday (look at the club website or any newspaper now using the new badge). My version was originally taken from the official site, with transparency added, and saved into PNG format. The white background and all of the white in the text and the ball was made transparent, while the white in the cockerel was left white. I made this decision based the preview of the Aston Villa match programme (a limited edition to celebrate the new badge), but it is still not clear whether the area between the ball 'patches' should be transparent or white. If it is shown that, to be correct, the ball should be white and black and not transparent and black, then the file should be changed accordingly. I will revert to the more correct version on the Tottenham page.
I also propose changing Image:Tottenham_Hotspur_crest.png to the new badge, and moving the old crest to a different name. THe advantage of this is that all the pages that use the old crest will now use the new badge. The multiple versions of the badge that have been uploaded should also be deleted down to one version.
:The club badge is Navy not Blackreleased to press
::The navy version should definitely be used - with the thin white border, and white behind the cockerel and ball (not transparent).
The constant fuss over the badge has gone on long enough. I propose:
1. Upload a navy version of the current badge, with transparency in the background, white in the cockerel and ball, under file name Tottenham_Hotspur_Badge.png or Tottenham_Hotspur_FC.png
2. Move the previous crest to Tottenham_Hotspur_Crest_1983-2006
3. Move the previous full shield to Tottenham_Hotspur_Shield
4. Remove and redirect redundant instances of the badge/crest/shield.
Any thoughts? (Please sign your comments)
Great Briton 21:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The navy version of the crest has been deleted as having no copyright status associated with it.  Hence, I have restored the black version as it was several revisions ago.  I guess that will have to do until someone uploads a navy one without copyright problems. Stephenb (Talk) 11:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the one I just added to the main page should do. - Pal 13:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks like everything's proper regarding the license, and it's better than the jpg I put up there that lacked transparency, so I've gone ahead and changed to the new version. - Pal 21:34, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New club badge 

message: Want thing that is missing from the article is Spurs' fans nickname, "yids". In particular, do you guys consider it offensive or not? That's something I always wondered- people I ask are split over this issue.
Borisblue 07:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the 1960s series Til Death Us Do Part character Alf Garnett first refered to Hotspur as Jews. Racist fans of West Ham, Chelsea and Arsenal copied this and called the Hotspur fans and players "Yiddos". The non-racist majority of the Spurs' fans didn't percieve this as pejorative and started to identify with the "nickname". (Similar things happend in Amsterdam, where Ajax fans use the flag of Israel as their symbol.) In 1994 Suprs fans sang chim chim churoo, Jürgen was a German, but now he is a Jew, refering to Jürgen Klinsmann who played for the Spurs.  --Maulesel 21:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yids

message: Man United have won at least 3 European Trophies and they have also won the European Super Cup. Am I the only one here who can see a bit of baised text. I also noticed how the Premiership table vanished soon after Spurs' loss to West Ham resulting in Arsenal taking the last Champions League qualification spot.
:Man United have won the Champion's League twice and the Cup Winners Cup once for a total of 3 major European trophies. I think that many people don't consider the Super Cup as a 'major' European trophy, since it's basically a European equivalent of the Charity Shield, which nobody claims is equivalent to winning the Premiership! Anyway, if you're including 'minor' European trophies then Spurs have won the Anglo-Italian Cup once :-) As for the league table vanishing, I suspect that this is due to fact that the season ended soon after Spurs' loss to West Ham and hence the details were added to the the Premiership Record section rather than appearing in the Current Season section. Anyway, why would fans want to 'remove' mention of their best ever Premiership season? Tdrawler 19:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: European Trophy Haul

message: The reason for having a short introduction is firstly to prevent wasted space to the right of Contents, which makes the article page size unnecessarilly long and secondly to better structure the article.
The 'Essential facts' heading has survived many edits and therefore has concensus. If 62.164.251.198 objects he should register and argue his case here. BlueValour 00:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article structure 

message: Is there any reason that Spurs Forum is included as an external link when there are a few other notable fan forums out there (in fact, ones that were removed a few months ago)?  Shouldn't we either keep them all or remove them entirely?  --HelloHelloHi 04:12, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Linkage 

message: I've noticed there are no values, the fee's of the players in the transfers section, can someone add that please. Thanks. Govvy 15:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Squad Transfers section 

message: MC was a key player in Spurs' success last season (Spurs' highest ever EPL finish). Do you think he's work a mention in the "past players of note" section? --192.43.227.18 22:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay the new format looks horrible, can someone clean it up, make it... nicer looking. Govvy 10:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have changed the format, added start to finish dates, added flag icons for players. Just needs a little finishing up. Govvy 11:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable Players

message: I changed the "references to Jews" section to a more general "support" section, it was definitely undue weight before. I've toned it down, but it still badly needs citations. Oldelpaso 20:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Support section

message: Shall we do a sub-article for the Hall of Fame? Govvy 12:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spurs Hall of Fame. 

message: I just added a short profile for Len Duquemin he is one of the former players of note. He is from Guernsey so we need a flag for him on the noted section. If anyone would like to add anything to his profile page that is helpful please do. There could be more added to it and stats box. Govvy 12:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Created "Len Duquemin" profile. 

message: As these tables change with every game Spurs play, could people put a date by them so that readers know when they are relevent to. 
Thanks --Athosfolk 11:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally don't like them and would like them to go! Govvy 11:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Martin Jol's stats table and manager's table 

message: It's just been noted by Qwghlm on the Project Talk page that this article is missing 3 key elements to bring up the standard of the article. We need a joint effort to add in the three sections explaining the crest and colours of Spurs as well as adding a section about the stadium. These three elements should take priority. Govvy 14:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also suggest, following on from those comments (which I completely agree with) that the history section should be split to a new article, with only a brief summary. See what's been done for the Arsenal page. Bear in mind WP:RECENT when updating the history section. I'll try and help when I can, but I have very little time to edit wikipedia these days I'm afraid. Tdrawler 16:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added a small section on the club crests. I could only find a mention of pre-1955 crests though so this part could do with expanding if possible. KingGorack 21:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good job, I referenced all those url's in there, fixed the images size and alignment, had a look in Firefox and IE, looks good in both. Cheers. Govvy 00:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have now also added a small section on the club's kit. again its not too detailed but a start for others to build on from. KingGorack 21:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

text:  I had a look at the kit section you done, pretty good stuff, cheers. Govvy 11:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium, Crest and Colours. 

message: Should we move those honours into Tottenham Hotspur F.C. Reserves & Academy ? Govvy 12:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA Youth Cup honours 

message: I added a new section for the stadium, you peeps might want to check it over. :) Govvy 13:16, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't most of this belong in White Hart Lane? howcheng  {chat} 16:44, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doh, hmm, I'll remove it then, I think we need to make that White Hart Lane, stadium link stand out clearer. Also adding a template for all the spurs links at the bottom might help make things clearer. Govvy 17:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stadium 

message: I think we might mention the charity partnership with SOS Children's Villages UK which has just been announced: http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/charity-news/tottenham-sos-partnership-270307.htm 
I am a bit conflicted (as I work for the charity) from adding it to the page myself. SOS is also the official FIFA charity and partners celticFC but this is the only UK club partnership. --BozMo talk 08:10, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity partnership 

message: A bit to much padding and waffle here don't you think ??!! PaddyBriggs 08:33, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably - unfortunately, your edit got caught up in some removal of vandalism I did - I've tried to repair, but feel free to re-edit the bits I've missed! Stephenb (Talk) 08:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 2006-2007 Season

message: http://www.footballshirtculture.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=292&Itemid=26 This is the third kit, its awsome!!!!
:Got one on order, bit it isn't the third kit. It's the 125th celebration kit, and will be worn at the home game which falls closest to Sep 30th 2007 the 125th annaversary of the clubs formation. Spurs have returned to the all yellow for the alternate kit which should be added to the pic's at the top. I'll add something about the 125 shirt in the kit section. Djarra 16:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 07/08 3rd kit

message: That's getting pretty big, I thought it would be a good idea to move it into it's own article then have it setup like List of Manchester United F.C. players. What would the rest of you think of that idea? Govvy 15:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Very good idea. There are a lot of important former Spurs players out there and they do warrent such a page. Perhaps a good starting point would be Walter Tull? Djarra 16:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was thinking the same thing, I think it would be a good idea. I think we should also move the official hall of fame that's currently below to the same page. Mattgibbins 17:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is getting ridiculously large, particularly as these players are supposed to be notable. In my opinion there are several players that could be removed, with some of the more recent ones that stick out to me being Samways, Thorstvedt, Barmby, Armstrong and Leonhardsen. Thurls 12:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former players of note discussion. 

message: Someone included Frank Lampard as No 8 of Spurs :(
Could anyone tell me who's real no 8?
Forza Getafe 10:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Lampard

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