Talk:Benny Urquidez

message: There is dispute as to whether or not Benny Urquidez is undefeated as he was defeated under Thai rules by I believe two fighters in Thailand.  I will post the videos when I find them
:The following page says he had a draw against Nalongleng and a decision loss against Bayud:  (with images) Shawnc 00:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Heyyy! Great work! I've had this page earmarked for a substantial rewrite for quite a while now, but this is way beyond anything I had planned. Well researched and well written, good job. -- DeLarge 16:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Excellent.  I strongly agree with this edit and the justification. -- Jcandy 19:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: he used to have a school in california.
Jet's Gym
6247 Laurel Canyon Boulevard North Hollywood CA USA
Phone: 818-766-0461  
Also, has siblings who were/are also into martial arts.
:yes, his siblings were also into martial arts in  one for or another as was his wife, brother-in-law and sister-in-law I believe.  it's quite a family affair.  I'll see what I can find on that.  His wife's name is Sarah.  Urquidez has also worked as a stunt coordinator and trainer on some films.  When I met him first, he had just finished training Brian Denehy (sp?) for Diggstown.  I believe his school is still open.  Oddly enough, I once worked with his nephew and recoginzed him as such due to the remarkable family resemblence. Same eyes, same smile! LiPollis 09:16, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing info 

message: This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it.  Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed.  I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy.  In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed or you would like to help spread this message contact us on this page. Thanks, ---J.S (t|c) 04:04, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: One of these fights should have been drawn...at least.
http://members.aol.com/Thaiboxing2000/muay.html what happened
:This link goes nowhere.  Please specify which bouts you are talking about.
:Paul Maslak (talk) 21:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Draw

message: So his real first name is actually Benny- not Benjamin, which is what Benny is often short for? -Toptomcat 02:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name?

message: I made the change of spelling of Benny's martial art style from "Kempo" to "Kenpo".  The reason for the change is because of his instructor, Bill Ryusaki. Bill Ryusaki is an instructor of the Ed Parker school of Kenpo. Kenpo in this spelling separates it from Kempo, which is the traditional Chinese/Japanese/Okinawan martial art. Kenpo in this spelling denotes the modern, American-developed/based martial art.
The words Kempo and Kenpo are interchangeable as they are the same word. But, in the martial arts world, to distinguish between traditional styles form the modern styles, the Kempo spelling is used for the former and the Kenpo spelling for the latter. 
Rayghost (talk) 07:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change from "Kempo" to "Kenpo" 

message: I plan a direct interview with Benny "The Jet" Urquidez for publication within a few weeks.  If anyone has biographical questions that you would like answered for inclusion in his Wikipedia entry, please leave them on my talk page.
Paul Maslak (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming interview with Benny Urquidez 

message: I believe Legkicker01's reversal of my factual corrections violate Wikipedia's rules about original research and neutral POV in a manner that may constitute libel.  I ask for Administrator mediation.
Paul Maslak (talk) 07:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Replied on Paul's talk page. Swarm X 10:23, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Administrator Mediation 

message: Regarding “Controversial Fights” section
Issue #1 – Revised Paragraph 4 – Shinobu Onuki
“Next, on April 29, 1978, Urquidez faced his fourth Japanese opponent Shinobu Onuki in Tokyo; the event was co-promoted by the AJKF and Shin-Kakuktojutsu Federation. Eventually, Urquidez executed a throw that dislocated Onuki's shoulder. Initially, because of the throw, Urquidez was given a TKO loss, however, the promoters acknowledged that Urquidez used the throw without knowing it was illegal under Japanese rules; the bout was then scored as a no-contest.[16] Following this unsatisfactory result, the two faced each other again in Las Vegas on January 2, 1980.”
Objection: The following sentences were deleted from the end of the above paragraph without reasonable justification:
“The fight was aired by NBC, and this time Urquidez knocked out Onuki with a left hook to the body. Later, in October 1981, when the AJKF merged with the WKA, the WKA transmuted the original Onuki no-contest to a TKO victory for Urquidez.”
Reference source: "STAR Authenticated Kickboxing Record: Benny Urquidez" (4 December 1993). “STAR Equalization Findings” section, StarSystemKickboxing.net website. Retrieved on 19 June 2011.
::  Special Comments: Since this referenced source cites my own published work, a neutral mediation judgment is requested. Here are my list of published credits and biography as a recognized knowledgeable source on this subject. The STAR System World Kickboxing Ratings, which I administrated for nine years, are described immediately above on this page in the “Controversial fight decisions, Other record manipulations versus STAR ring records” section.  
Furthermore:
:: A) In 1980, the WKA sanctioning body turned over all of its organizational records to the STAR System and, thereafter until 1989, the STAR kickboxing records became synonymous with the official WKA archival records as identified by the following published quotes:
::: “In 1979, (John) Corcoran became a consulting editor for Inside Kung-Fu under the editorship of Paul Maslak. Paul’s professional background was in computer science and statistics. Combining this expertise with Corcoran’s knowledge of the sport and its practitioners, the two devised the STAR System. This word is an acronym for Standardized Tournaments and Ratings. Howard Hanson, President of the WKA, has dropped his own (ranking) system in favor of this more scientific method.”
::: From:  Managing Editor’s Note (Al Weiss) (July 1981). “The STAR System”, Official Karate magazine, p. 41.
::: “Hanson’s proclamation made the STAR ratings the official ratings of the WKA, and required WKA promoters to use the STAR ratings for purposes of matchmaking, and to determine legitimate title contendership.”
::: From WKA-affiliated publication: Marlow, Chris (November 1981). “The WKA: The First Worldwide Sanctioning Body for Full-Contact Karate”, Karate Monthly magazine, p. 66.
:: B) With regard to the referenced source in my wrap up sentences for the paragraph, the STAR Equalization Findings located at the immediate bottom of any STAR authenticated kickboxing record contain explanations of any noted irregularities and any official sanctioning body rulings for specific fights. Immediately below the Equalization Findings are corroborative media sources for the fight outcomes, especially for fights that occurred before or after the STAR System’s years of operations between 1980-1989. For Urquidez’s authenticated STAR ring record, the published STAR Findings about the final disposition of the first Urquidez-Onuki bout have not changed since in 1981 when WKA President Howard ordered this outcome transmuted in the record books. A copy of Hanson’s order still remains extant in the STAR System files.
:: C) WKA Japan (formerly AJKF - All Japan Kickboxing Federation or, depending on translation, AJKBA - All Japan Kick-Boxing Association), which promoted the first Urquidez-Onuki bout, apparently accepted the WKA’s final disposition. On page 30 of the September 1983 issue of the WKA Japan-affiliated publication, This is Martial Arts magazine (Sports Life Publications, Tokyo), Urquidez’s record has been printed directly from his STAR ring record as of that date for an article about a dream match between Toshio Fujiwara and Benny Urquidez. (I do not speak Japanese, the article was translated for me by a native Japanese friend.) 
:: D) Finally, the editor who dropped my wrap up sentences in this paragraph justified his action by stating that I was mistaken. Yet he only cites sources which predate the final disposition of this bout. The STAR records are the official WKA records for this era. I am not mistaken.
Issue #2 – Revised Paragraph 6 – Prayout Sittiboonlert 
First sentence:  “Meanwhile, on August 2, 1978, Urquidez faced the then fifth-ranked welterweight Thai boxer, Prayout Sittiboonlert, as part of the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization's first independent event.” 
: Objection: According to a report STAR received from WKA Japan in 1981, Urquidez’s kick-knockout victory over Takeshi Naito on 10 April, 1978, was the first independent event under the Shin-Kukutojutsu Organization (aka “Katogi”), a sanction that broke away from the group that would become WKA Japan. Urquidez versus Sittiboonlert was part of the first event under Kenji Kurosaki’s “new rules”.  A Japanese source was cited by this editor and cannot be double-checked for interpretive accuracy.  I recommend dropping the word “first”.
Second sentence: "The rules for the bout included six two-minute rounds, one-minute intervals, and no elbow contact as per requests made by Urquidez. Urquidez lost a heart-stopping decision to the Thai, who controlled the fight with relentless knee attacks and through the masterful use of Thai clinches.[18]"
: Objection: Previously, I changed “no elbow contact as per requests made by Urquidez” to “no elbow contact as per agreement with Urquidez”.  I do not understand why this was put back.  Having been part of the administration of the sport, I know that these early mixed-rules bouts horse-traded which rules would be in effect.  Both managers would give up something to gain something.  I can believe Urquidez’s corner wanted to prohibit elbow strikes to the head.  Most American kickboxers still think elbow strikes to the head produce too many random TKOs from cuts rather than from skill. But giving up the elbow strikes would not have been one-sided. Without knowing the full details, the word “agreement” is more appropriate.
Balance of paragraph: “Shocked, Urquidez vowed to avenge the loss, and a rematch was set on October 30, 1978 at the Budokan (Martial Arts Hall) as part of the five world championships card for the Shin-Kakutojutsu Organization. However, for unknown reasons, Urquidez canceled the fight on the day of the event. According to one report, Urquidez did travel to Japan, but was unable to recover sufficiently from a high fever which he contracted from an allergic reaction to pain medication being used to treat a lingering left knuckle injury.[19] For years, Urquidez has claimed the Sittiboonlert fight was a no-contest, or has claimed the WKA and/or STAR system turned it into a no-contest. However, the fight was neither sanctioned nor promoted by the WKA. The fight was promoted by Kenji Kurosaki's Shin-Kakutojutsu Federation. Therefore, neither the WKA nor the STAR system had jurisdiction.”
: Objection: I previously removed these sentences in their entirety.  This entry is a biography about a living person whose personal income from seminars and student enrollments could be negatively affected by false, misleading or defamatory statements.  Also, I am a living person and this section mentions an organization that I once administrated.  Speaking as a former professional newsstand magazine editor and motion picture producer, in my judgment, this section could be construed as libelous. I submit that the above narrative violates Wikipedia policies regarding:
* Neutral point of view (NPOV) – These sentences demonstrate a clear bias intended to make Benny Urquidez appear suddenly surprised by the "new rules" style of competition and/or fearful of this opponent. Rematches between professional fighters fall apart as often as they occur, usually for monetary reasons. For example, Urquidez’s long-awaited rematch against Howard Jackson never happened.  Similarly, the anticipated dream matches between Urquidez and Toshio Fujiwara as well as the mix-match against Roberto Duran never happened. Such matters are not germane to Mr. Urquidez’s career biography and should not be part of a serious encyclopedia entry.
* No original research (NOR) – The above narrative is fanciful and speculative.  No one but Urquidez knows how he did or did not feel about this event, or whether he did or did not travel to Japan with a fever, etc.  Furthermore, only I or John Corcoran can speak for the STAR System.  This fight was not declared a no-contest by STAR or the WKA; it was declared muay Thai and, therefore, outside the purview of rated kickboxing competition.  Both the STAR System and the WKA regarded bouts that allowed striking-and-holding as, by definition, belonging to the sport of muay Thai.  I know that the WKA screened this fight to make that determination.  The earlier description of “masterful use of Thai clinches” reinforces the WKA’s ruling.   
  
* Verifiability (V) – Japanese-language sources are unavailable and unverifiable. Also, mentions of STAR and WKA rulings are both unreferenced and untrue.
Removed Sentences: “Afterward, Urquidez said he had been deceptively maneuvered into a competitive bout under the unaccustomed “new rules” through deliberate misrepresentations.[19] This sanctioning organization was among several discontinued in 1981 for alleged ties to organized crime. Both the WKA and the STAR world ratings regarded this bout as muay Thai, a separate sport, and did not include it as part of Urquidez's rankings and record count for kickboxing.[14]"
: Objection: I added the above sentences with appropriate reference citations.  Why were they removed?
Paul Maslak (talk) 00:41, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issues for Mediation Resolution 

message: According to the pre-announcement, the April/May 2014 issue of Black Belt magazine is slated to feature an interview (and online video) with Urquidez. — Loadmaster (talk) 19:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Black Belt'' magazine interview 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified  on Benny Urquidez. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090309234705/http://www.blackbeltmag.com/archives/719 to http://www.blackbeltmag.com/archives/719
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120618112614/http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2501 to http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2501
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100324165417/http://www.teamkaratecenters.com:80/2009/benny-urquidez-kickboxing-classes.asp to http://www.teamkaratecenters.com/2009/benny-urquidez-kickboxing-classes.asp
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20100315171614/http://www.bennythejet.com:80/ to http://bennythejet.com/
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110208101513/http://stuntactingacademy.com/ to http://www.stuntactingacademy.com/
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at ).
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 04:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified 3 external links on Benny Urquidez. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110827220741/http://starsystemkickboxing.net/BennyUrquidez.aspx to http://starsystemkickboxing.net/BennyUrquidez.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120802015401/http://www.starsystemkickboxing.net/Pages/default.aspx to http://www.starsystemkickboxing.net/Pages/default.aspx
*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120802015401/http://www.starsystemkickboxing.net/Pages/default.aspx to http://www.starsystemkickboxing.net/Pages/default.aspx
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 14:04, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links modified