Talk:Proto-Armenian language

message: as long as we don't get a linguistic reference to Hurrian or Sumerian loanwords, we have to regard this as a popular fantasy. Feel free to cite treatments in peer reviewed linguistic literature. dab (𒁳) 17:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are indeed loanwords from Hurrian, this is pretty much accepted, not only from Armenian authors, read the references I have provided at the Urartu talk page. As for Sumerian, this doesn't even worth mentioning, if there are any loanwords from Summerians, it won't only stand for the Armenians, the Babylonians had strong influences in the entire region. Fad (ix) 06:09, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, I suspected as much; it would be nice to have some specific examples of Hurrian loanwords. dab (𒁳) 10:01, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

text: excellent, I'll have to dig for one of your sources; It will be most interesting to see which soundlaws affected the Uratian loans. dab (𒁳) 10:17, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want the papers, feel free to request them to me, I'll email them to you. Personally, I am really not interested to engage in BC history, it is too subjective, vague, contradictory, much in contradiction with my rational way of thinking. Fad (ix) 06:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Hurrian or Sumerian influence

message: Aa, you are welcome to give us an encyclopedic discussion of Armenian phonology at Armenian language. Your text as it was doesn't even remotely qualify as encyclopedic, and typological observations on Armenian phonology are only of limited relevance to a discussion of Proto-Armenian. If you want to help, give us a list of Proto-Armenian sound-laws (we already say they are 'eccentric', which seems to be the point you want to make, but do give us a detailed list, citing Winter or Meillet). dab (𒁳) 23:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "8 or 9 sounds"

message: Dear Sirs/Madams,  I will be thankful, if you give your reply on the following:
1. Please reply, why there is not internal link to the Greek language, if there is an article about it Wikipedia?  --Zara-arush (talk) 23:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some questions 

message: This article talks about Armenian and its earliest stages, but it fails to actually say what it is. A proto-language is usually considered the ancestor of a group of languages, but since Armenian is the only attested member of its group, that definition can't apply. So what is the actual definition of Proto-Armenian? CodeCat (talk) 19:00, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good call; this article should really be called Early Armenian or Preliterary Armenian or similar, as it obviously refers to the period of development before our earliest texts. This stage cannot be reconstructed externally, only on the basis of loanwords borrowed in the same prehistoric, pre-Old-Armenian period. Unfortunately, this is not the only example by far where Proto-X is used in this inexact sense even in the specialised literature (which may form an objection to a title change, if the term Proto-Armenian in this sense is current): Proto-Albanian, Proto-Basque and Proto-Goidelic are often used to refer to a stage roughly contemporary with Classical Latin, while the real, internally reconstructible "proto-stages" might all well be as recent as 1000 years ago. Technically speaking, Proto-Goidelic falls into the Middle Irish period. My inquiry at User talk:Akerbeltz#Time-depth of Basque and Gaelic had this exact background. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just what is Proto-Armenian? 

message: "Instead, a combination of internal and external reconstruction, by reconstructions of Proto-Indo-European and other branches, has allowed linguists to piece together the earlier history of Armenian. The Balkan hypothesis of the origin of the Armenian language is rejected by modern  glottochronological studies conducted by Russell and Atkinson, the Armenian language appears on the territory of  Anatolia and adjacent areas and has existed since 7300 BC. e."
Nowhere in Russell's and Atkinson's paper does it say that the Armenian language appears in the greater Armenia region in 7300 BCE. They are talking about pre-Proto-Indo-European. Armenian is NOT pre-Proto-Indo-European. This is not only misleading but factually incorrect.
Source in question: http://language.psy.auckland.ac.nz/files/gray_and_atkinson2003/grayatkinson2003.pdf Preservedmoose (talk) 02:02, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Absolutely correct. Another addition which illustrates how the IP editor completely (deliberately?) misrepresents the source (Gray & Atkinson 2003): not a single mention is made of the "Balkan hypothesis of the origin of the Armenian language". – Austronesier (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  IP editor has been going through numerous Armenian history-related articles and spamming the same misleading and poorly written content multiple times a day while also ignoring edits/revisions and requests to cease. I am trying to get a temporary protection on the Mushki page. Perhaps we need to try to get one on this page as well?--Preservedmoose (talk) 18:08, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading information 

message: In the chart that showes consonant changes from PIE to Armenian there's a column that says "special developments" without specifying what they exactly are or what it means by "special".
Can someone tell me why are these developments "special" and why or where do they occur? Or at least just fix the article, because that part is a bit confusing. ALBA-CENTAURI (talk) 21:37, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Special developments" 

message: There's a substantial number of references on Wikipedia and wiktionary to Akkadian and Anatolian loans. I haven't been able to find too much to corroborate this in the modern literature and I'm only familiar with Akkadian, not Armenian. Still, it's referencing a self-published source. Some improvement from someone who knows would be welcome. Photonsoup (talk) 06:50, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious list of influences 

message: I don't know about the cited examples given in the previous paragraph, but with regards to ոտն and երեք, these are not examples of an aspirated stop being reduced to w, h or zero. The examples given don't work, 'ոտն' is not pronounced as 'otn' but rather 'votn'. Likewise 'երեք' is not pronounced as 'erek' but rather 'yerek'. This is because both ե(Yech) and ո(Vo) are pronounced differently at the begining of a word, than they are in the middle, this is described in the wikipedia article for each letter. --Crowjake (talk) 10:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That is how those words are pronounced in modern Armenian. It’s not the pronunciation reconstructed for Proto-Armenian, or even Classical Armenian. Kokoshneta (talk) 23:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect pronunciations