Talk:İskenderun

message: there needs to be a map showing its loaction in its nation. i have no idea where this settlement is
99.51.212.6 (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  this town needs a map 

message: Should I put in the reference to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, where Alexandretta is the starting point of the map leading to the Valley of the Crescent Moon? Firestorm 21:01, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
:I thought we already had one! Speaking just for myself, I'd say be bold and have at it!
:Atlant 22:27, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indiana Jones reference 

message: If I understood correctly, the question is if the city, Iskenderun is the same city depicted in Indiana Jones!  Yes it is!  I am from that city and it was an important passage to the Middle East and Far East, since there were no roads or airplanes to travel at the time.  I have some pictures I took of the train station depicted in the movie but I am not sure how to post it.  In fact, my grandfather worked at that station there when he was a little boy, during French invasion.
Huseyin K.
Cococan 04:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yes! 

message: someone need to ad more info on Syrias control of the Area and the illegal annexation to turkey.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.228.102.63 (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And people should quit claiming Iskandar is a Turkish name. FunkMonk (talk) 08:37, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is incomplete without addressing the Turkish/Syrian dispute over the land. These two countries nearly went to war over this.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 19:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Syria 

message: See that dot above the I? How would this dot look like in a lower case i? Just curious :) 66.108.247.7 (talk) 03:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dot? 

message: 
:Since the article has a photo now, I have disabled the  tag. If there are additional/better images needed, feel free to undo my actions. Avicennasis @ 06:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Disabled reqphoto tag

message: The article says:
In antiquity, the city was known as Alexandretta (in Ancient Greek, Ἀλεξανδρέττα). At its founding, it was named in honour of Alexander the Great, a name which it retained during the Roman period. The city was later renamed al-ʼIskandarūn (Arabic الإسكندرون) during the Islamic Caliphate and then to İskenderun after the Ottoman conquest.
Well, sorry, but no, it was not "later renamed" at all—its original name was never changed, it simply got phonetically deformed into Turkish through Semitic (Arabic and Aramaic): al-ʼIskandarūn[a] is simply a phonetic corruption from the original name Alexandretta (Alexandretta > Aliksandratta > al-ʼIskandar-atta > al-ʼIskandar-ūn[a], the 'foreign' diminutive ending -etta changed into the native diminutive -on[a] in Aramaic). The more famous and similarly-named Alexandria in Egypt suffered a very similar toponymic fate, with its name ending up corrupted into Arabic as al-ʼIskandariya (Alexandria > Aliksandriya > al-ʼIskandar-iya). The Al- at the beginning got (mistakenly) reinterpreted as the Arabic definite article al-, which prompted the confusion that lead to its being dropped (thus Arabicizing the root of the word as ʼIskandar instead of the original Alexandr- > Aliksandr-), finally rendering the name as İskenderun when borrowed into Turkish. That is, İskenderun is simply the Turkified-through-Semitic version of the city's original name Alexandretta; just like Smyrna got corrupted into İzmir, Ancyra into Ankara (Angora in English), Iconium / Ἰκόνιον into Konya, eis ten polin / εἰς τὴν Πόλιν into İstanbul (Stamboul in English), etc. Therefore, I see no reason why this article in the English Wikipedia should be named using the Turkish-through-Semitic phonetic corruption İskenderun instead of its proper name Alexandretta (which, of course, got into English almost directly from Greek, as so many other English terms and toponyms like the aforementioned Smyrna), just like its more well-known Egyptian "sister" city Alexandria is properly named Alexandria in English (instead of its Arabic phonetic corruption al-ʼIskandariya). 213.37.6.101 (talk) 03:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Iskenderun just hit 108 degrees all time record high according to weather.com almanac. B137 (talk) 22:24, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  108 degrees September 2020 

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message: The Demographics section entangles ethnicity (Turkish) with religion (Alawites) while referring to 19th Century observations by Martin Hartmann. The reason for the confusion is that European authors often referred to Sunni Muslims as "Turks" (vs "Christians", "Jews"). This does not mean that they are ethnic Turks as this section insinuates. They might be Turkish, Arab, Kurdish, etc. Clarification and other sources are needed. Muhaweralmani (talk) 10:25, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: That is just an assumption as a result of failure to read the source. In the table of settlements, Martin Hartmann used "M" to mark settled Sunni Arabs, "T" for ethnic Turks, "K" for ethnic Kurds, "B" for Bedouins, and so on. In fact, in his earlier work Das Liwa el-Ladkije und die Nahije Urdu, he used "M" for Muslims in general, and then later in Das liwa Haleb und ein Teil des Liwa Dschebel Bereket (the work cited in this article) noted that some of the "M" settlements he mentioned in the former work were actually Turkish. So, this is an ethnic division and not a religious one. Best, Aintabli (talk) 14:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify 19th C. demographics (ethnicity vs religion) 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 11:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: İskenderun →  – According to Ngram, Iskenderun is a much more common spelling. I was unable to differentiate the spelling on Google Scholar. However, Iskenderun appears to be more common among the foremost publications there:  (Even more common when Turkish sources are discounted.) Iskenderun also uses letters found in the English alphabet: WP:ENGLISH Aintabli (talk) 23:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Relisting comment: More comments to generate a clearer consensus Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Note: WikiProject Arab world, WikiProject Turkey, WikiProject Syria, WikiProject Cities, and WikiProject Geography have been notified of this discussion. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 05:50, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: *Oppose. E.g. Britannica uses diacritics. Many English-language sources ignore diacritics altogether, so for example Ngram has no informative value (but even that shows an increasing trend of writing İskenderun with diacritics). Geographical names in general (incl. Turkish ones) in Wiki use diacritics, and I don't see this name being any different from names like İzmir, Eskişehir, São Paulo, Bogotá and Zürich. For an exception like Istanbul, stronger evidence and analysis is needed. FromCzech (talk) 06:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  Iskenderun is also more common on ProQuest, where the foremost articles do not use diacritics. Many of those articles also use diacritics such as "Č" but at the same time Iskenderun. We're going by COMMONNAME here. If other Wikipedia articles use diacritics, it doesn't concern this article, especially when there are obviously opposite cases, which you have pointed out. The difference on Ngram is so wide for us to consider any slight trends for the future. Iskenderun has been more common throughout history. Aintabli (talk) 14:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

text: *oppose The scholar search clearly has sources that use the diacritic. Also WP:DIACRITICS and WP:USENATIVE are part of wp:english—blindlynx 14:01, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Iskenderun appears to have an established usage in English sources, so USENATIVE does not apply, and DIACRITICS is an indifferent guideline. The mere existence of sources using another form does not really show anything. It is still less common. Aintabli (talk) 14:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: my point is wp:english doesn't apply here because of WP:DIACRITICS and i'm not swayed by the n grams analysis specifically because of: —blindlynx 18:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, let's assume that this is the case. (And note that it says , which aligns with how Iskenderun is fourfold of İskenderun on Ngram.) "Iskenderun" on Ngrams objectively appears more than twice as common as İskenderun. So, even if Iskenderun were to also include instances with diacritics, Iskenderun is still more common. I'm not really seeing any counter-evidence here that shows the diacritics are more common? It was not possible to differentiate the diacritics on ProQuest and GoogleScholar, but Iskenderun is still more common there when skimming through. On a different note, I can't see any specification that WP:ENGLISH should be disregarded when diacritics come into play. It reads that we should take English sources into account (if such sources exist of course) for diacritics as well. Diacritics are demonstrably less common among English sources. (There are some Turkish sources in the GoogleScholar and ProQuest results, which Ngrams likely takes into account.) Aintabli (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: You need to double check what you're linked, scholar usage is evenly split (5 of 10 for each) on the fist page of the search you linked—blindlynx 20:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It's 8 to 2 on the second page, but all of the examples with diacritics on the second page are in Turkish. Also please check ProQuest. Aintabli (talk) 20:35, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh so thing i just realized that most of the hits are for 'İ/Iskenderun bay' that is Gulf of Alexandretta i don't know if those should be taken into account or not...probably doesn't make a difference though—blindlynx 21:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 22 April 2024