Talk:Antisemitism/Archive 19

message: Circumsision makes Jews look evil only to people who are already anti-semites.  The anti-Semitic rant in item 20, above, is a perfect example. Slrubenstein   |  Talk  13:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course its verifiable.  Just buy the book.  Sirkumsize 21:55, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: LOL! You first. Jayjg (talk) 01:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources (discussion)

message: Guys:  Here is my proposal for a paragraph on the link or proposed link between circumcision and antisemitism.  It is entirely based on the research above and so belongs in the article.  Please do not thwart this effort out of malice but comment on it.  You owe me this for the hard work I've gone to, to include such a paragraph.
:Research into the causes of antisemitism has shown that the single most disturbing tangible aspect of Judaism is their circumcision ritual.  Many individuals with antisemitic view have held view strongly against circumcision in specific.  Throughout history circumcision has been banned in a number of instances.  Many legends that defame the Jews such as the blood libel make specific reference to the practice.  In recent years there as been increased activism against circumcision due to ethical concerns about the practice.  Some researchers who publish work that counter-indicates circumcision have actually been cited in reports against antisemitism.  There is no way to know how much anticircumcision activism is actually rooted in antisemitism.
::Sirkumsize 18:26, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh good.  Then I don't have anything to worry about.  I will insert the paragraph now.  Sirkumsize 7 July 2005 03:14 (UTC)
*It's original research, as Jayjg said. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 7 July 2005 04:25 (UTC)
**No, Jayjg simply pointed out that if I were to post original research in the article that it would be against wp policy.  He made no reference to the above paragraph.  Since the above paragraph isn't OR I just assumed that the statement was rhetical.  Sirkumsize 7 July 2005 19:24 (UTC)
***I'll be kind and assume no disingenuity there. Please read the original research guidelines, and maybe you'll understand better. You're synthesizing conclusions from various sources and coming up with a conclusion. That's what you don't get to do. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 8 July 2005 01:42 (UTC)
****Jpgordon, thank you for not assuming any disingenuity.  Unfortunately I cannot do the same for your erroneous claims that the above paragraph is OR.  If you were sincere in this, you would rewrite it to illustrate to silly how it would look in the format you suggest.  Otherwise it would almost be as if to say that you are not co-operating here.  Wouldn't that be strange.  Sirkumsize 06:35, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Circ-antisemitism para

message: Please avoid personal attacks and making inappropirate points with section titles, Sirkumsize. I am of course refering to this edit. 70.28.160.144 03:17, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Mistakes happen

message: Can someone explain why MacDonald's theory doesn't belong here?  Spencer195–spencer195 3 July 2005 21:09 (UTC)
:This article does not discuss theoretical "causes" of antisemitism; that is left to the external links.  Tomer TALK July 3, 2005 21:49 (UTC)
TShilo12,
What do you mean? If you read the anti-semitism page, there are a bunch of "theories" there that anti-semitism is based on the "alleged" massive socio-economic power Jews hold. Well, that socio-economic power Jews hold is NOT "alleged" it's a documented fact. So that alone should be changed.
And it's also interesting that we read about how bad the Jews suffered under pogroms or the Pale of Settlement, but never once is there an honest reflection by Jews that their own behavior, manner of dress or ways of working as a unified Tribe and repeated refusals to assimilate have anything to do with it.
That's like a 10 year old who is constantly getting disicplined by his teacher going, "I don't know why everyone's always pickin' on me" but he insists on wearing his own clothes to class, not associating or assimilating, refusing to sit, etc. And somehow he is the 'victim' and the native group is supposed to feel sorry for the newcomer that refuses to assimilate with the group but has the audacity to demand the group assimilate and accomodate him!
--Titus70AD 00:31, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kevin MacDonald's evolutionary theory of anti-Semitism