Talk:Ottoman Armenian population

message: This is a ridiculously biased article.  It merely calls into question a few sources that give a lower Armenian population than the Armenians claim (while excluding the plethora of foreign counts which all accord wit the Ottoman count), while ignoring that the Ottoman census (and the author always uses quotation marks around the word census) was for internal use only, was not published, and was used to assess TAXATION, which would severely disincentivize the government to undercount.  It also ignores that the head of the statistics bureau was in succession an Armenian, a Jew, and an American. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.254.43 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 5 January 2006
: Thanks for your reply. Can you be more specific? I have tried to present this as much neutral as I could handle. I have presented the Western accounts too, and each accounts. I traced a little history of Ottoman population statistics and have presented its figures, as well as Justin McCarthy. I don't see how I can present a better balanced article. You can help me if you want by presenting those criticisms in the talk page so that we could discuss about them. Regards. Fad (ix) 22:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It also helps that the the above user didn't provide any sources nor sign their comment, or state which censuses he was talking about. Oh dear. --92slim (talk) 01:09, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment 

message: KarenAnn 16:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have wikified the article and am removing the wikify tag 

message: I don't really see how this article is anything other than implicitly biased. I mean, the paragraph:
"In 1844 the Ottoman recorded 2.4 million Armenians within the Ottoman Empire. In 1867 this number remained the same. It is not known whether this lack of change was due to a political decision not to record any Armenian growth for a period of 23 years." 
Could just as well be written:
"In 1844 the Ottoman recorded 2.4 million Armenians within the Ottoman Empire. In 1867 this number remained the same. It is not known whether this lack of change was due to alien abductions."
And would be just as accurate and less biased.
Mcdruid (talk) 10:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: its totally bullshit, armenian peoples 1 million  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.243.223.212 (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  bullshit 

message: I ran across a link to Frédéric Paulin's article here: http://www.imprescriptible.fr/pedagogie/pedagogie/paulin.html
But I am not expert enough to add it to this article. Further, I believe that the entire reference to Paulin should be removed. He seems to have no expertise in this field and his polemic is deeply flawed. All told, the criticisms of McCarthy go overboard: I believe I have even seen Dadrian use his numbers.
On the other hand, Cuinet requires less weight. In another context it has been said of him: “even a superficial glance at Cuinet’s figures should make any serious historian recoil from using them."  http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1986/mar/27/mrs-peterss-palestine-an-exchange/?pagination=false.
I'm not going to bother correcting this either. As near as I can tell, this whole article is shot through with NPOV.
Mcdruid (talk) 10:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frédéric Paulin and Cuinet 

message: I removed a couple of lines about what "most Western specialists believe" as there was no supporting documentation. In addition, the entire section between these quotes seems to be mostly opinion. I'd remove or edit it, but I can't really understand what is being said due to the poor grammar.
Mcdruid (talk) 04:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Empty blather 

message: The following line, appearing in the beginning of the article is inaccurate with not only the official Ottoman statistics themselves but with every other list of Western Sources: 
"Most estimates by Western scholars range from 0.7 to 1.3 million."
Everywhere else I have seen Western estimates, they fall between 1.8 million and 2.2 million, whether they be Austro-Hungarian or German estimates from the time of the onset of WWI or later, demographic calculations by researchers/demographers, the population range is consistent at 2 million +/- 200,000.  The 1914 Ottoman census listed roughly 1,225,000 Armenians and even McCarthy lists a figure of roughly 1.7 million.  About the only honest mistake I can think of is that the population in the statement in question is referring to the 'Six Vilayets', however if that is the case, it needs to be clarified, as it comes across as representing the entire Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. Prussia1231 (talk) 21:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Most Estimates from Western Scholars" figure is untrue 

message: This article was in a poor state. I have removed the random table added by IP:78.166.205.212 and official figures from the 1914 survey (along with the dead link from which it came from). These figures are included in the main article. The "summary totals" table also came from a dead link called "The So-called Armenian Issue", which is not an acceptable source and is probably self-published. --92slim (talk) 00:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content 

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