Talk:Visarion Puiu

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message: This man is very clearly not a war criminal. He preached his faith in a region that belonged to Romania and was STOLEN by the Soviet Union. He just preached his faith there and re-opened churches. That is clearly not an illegal thing and especially not a war crime. Stop calling him a war criminal, he is clearly a victim of communism. 2003:E6:5F25:20A8:988B:4E3D:4283:2AD7 (talk) 14:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This appears to be your opinion. --ZimZalaBim talk 15:08, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

text: The article notes (with a reference):  "a People's Tribunal, the Romanian counterpart of the Nuremberg military tribunals, sentenced him to death in absentia for war crimes on 21 February 1946". --ZimZalaBim talk 15:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

text: Do you have a suggestion on how to best incorporate these sources? --ZimZalaBim talk 18:00, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Immediate action: leave - "war criminal" in the lead. Many Nazis and Nazi collaborators were tried in Eastern-bloc countries and even in the Soviet Union, that doesn't make them less criminal. Puiu is a convicted war criminal and modern historiography confirms the verdict; furthermore, to my knowledge, no judicial rehabilitation was ever attempted. Short term action: the information available in Relationship between the Romanian Orthodox Church and the Iron Guard can practically be copy-pasted here with the references. Long term action: this article is on my to-do list. Unfortunately, I simply do not have the time to do a the job anytime in the foreseeable future. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. --ZimZalaBim talk 18:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

text: A lot of what I'm seeing here is your viewpoint on the matter, and seems you are quite passionate about your position. That said, we need to go by verifiable information that reliable sources say about a topic. --ZimZalaBim talk 22:10, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

text: The so called rehabilitation was a decision of the Holy Synod of the Romanian Orthodox Church. I already included the information in the article on Relationship between the Romanian Orthodox Church and the Iron Guard so I was very much aware of it. It simply nullifies the Synod's decision to defrock Puiu, it is by no mean a court ruling providing judicial rehabilitation. As for the priests and bishops who praise Puiu (but also Crainic, Staniloae and others) this is well documented in academic literature. Ion Popa has two chapters in his book "The Romanian Orthodox Church and the Holocaust" dedicated to whitewashing and rewriting history. Information on this is also included in the article on the Relationship between the Romanian Orthodox Church and the Iron Guard. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 17:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

text: On this talk page I provided references from four 4 academics, all Holocaust scholars with an international reputation. I can easily bring up 3 more if needed. It's the kind of independent reliable source wikipedia accepts. Tons of bishops and priests don't matter, nor do youtube videos. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 17:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: "Independent" all from Jews & communists and Freemasons, wow so independent and non-biased. They definitely do not hate Orthodox people… 030.jtm (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh oh. I sense trouble ahead. EEng 19:17, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "War criminal" 

message: Following the vivid exchange above I've decided to take the time and rewrite the article completely using academic sources. While Visarion Puiu's biography may seem like a minor topic it is particularly problematic because of his role in the Holocaust. Under the circumstances I intend to use WP:CHOPSY in a rather strict manner and I will begin by removing information based on the blatantly unreliable "activenews.ro" - a far right website, but also information based on bittv.info which is certainly not a reliable sources on such matters. I will then add the properly sourced information already present in the Relationship between the Romanian Orthodox Church and the Iron Guard Plinul cel tanar (talk) 14:38, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Major article overhaul

message: User:Plinul cel tanar I've noticed your request for review at WP:BIO. This is C-class easily, possibly B-class or even GA. I suggest you nominate it for a WP:GAN review which should take less than the year+ you spend waiting for someone to notice your request at the clearly backlogged BIO review requests section. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I have marked it as B-class in the meantime. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review