Talk:Gutzon Borglum

message: Gutzon Borglum's father had two wives, not more. The fact is, he was a bigamist not a polygamist. Wetman 17:27, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. However, the practice (if he was indeed LDS) would have been called Plural Marriage or Polygamy from his viewpoint. That is why the change was made. I'll change to plural marriage with an explanation. Thanks. Visorstuff 23:16, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

text: That's fine now. Wetman 10:48, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Fathers bigamy

message: How Long did it take him? (Anon.)
:He was still hard at work at mt Rushmore when he died. his son quickly wrapped up the project, pretty much complete as it was. --Wetman 21:50, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Rushmore timeline

message: I uploaded :Image:Gutzonborglum.jpg from the Library of Congress to replace the first image of the article, which has an obselete PD tag. Problem is, I forgot to remove the frame of the image (and I don't have Paint Shop Pro or other Graphics software). Can somebody quickly remove the frame and re-upload it? Thanks, AndyZ 00:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Image

message: "(anscestor of elizabeth jean troyer who currently resides in boise idaho. her father was his favorite nephew) "
:If it is to stay in the article  - - -- well we need to discuss it. Carptrash 14:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just moved this to discussion 

message: One S.O.B has written the following:
(John) Gutzon de la Mothe Borglum (March 25, 1867 – March 6, 1941) was the American sculptor famous for creating the monumental presidents' heads at Mount Rushmore, South Dakota, as well as dozens of other impressive public works of art. POOP ON HIM
I somehow couldn't find it in the "edit this page". Can someone look into it?
:You were looking at an older, already fixed version of the article. Or perhaps it was getting fixed as you saw it.  Borglum gets a fair amount of these sorts of edits, which is the price we pay for allowing Jr. high school kids to edit.  Who was it that said said that " eternal vigilance is the price of freedom"? Anyway, this is why many/most dedicated wikipedians do vandalism patrol. Carptrash 14:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poop on him? 

message: and we can talk about it here (I added the bold).
: and the Stone Mountain carving in Stone Mountain, Georgia, which is the largest Confederate monument
The Stone Mountain fiasco is discussed in the article, but since none of Gorglum's work there remains, the sentence (opinion) does not really belong in the introduction. Carptrash 06:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just cut this sentence out 

message: What is Harvard Technical College? I've never heard of it. I can't find search results outside of this article.
Schear (talk) 17:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harvard Technical College 

message: What is the source for the statement that the entire Louisiana Purchase was sacred Native American territory?  There were a lot of tribes in the Mississippi/Missouri River drainage, and the sentence implies that all of them thought that the whole area was sacred.  
And, more specifically, what is the source for the statement the Borglum's reason for including Jefferson was that the Indians thought that the area of the Louisiana Purchase was sacred?  Broadcaster101 (talk) 06:15, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what is intended here is a two part thing.  One, Jefferson was added to the group because he added the Louisiana Purchase to the United States  (I have a source for that ) and secondly, that the Black Hills were sacred land to some native peoples.  This whole section can probably be improved. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mount Rushmore 

message: Here it is:
:== Controversy ==
:: "Controversy surrounding the alleged racist roots of the building of Mt. Rushmore is well documented. Many claim it was not an innocent gesture to commemorate George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln, rather, a warning, if not blatant threat, to any race besides white, that whites ruled the United States of America and not Blacks, Mexicans, or especially Indians. 
::Many claim that Gutzon Borglum, the creator, was not accepting of other races and that his contribution to the dominant ideology of the era not only exalts the contribution of whites to the making of America civilization, but tries to exclude blacks from the myth of America’s new creation. Borglum’s view of America was that of a white nation in conflict with other racial and ethnic groups, some of whom came before the Europeans, such as Hispanics and Native Americans, and others, such as Africans and Asians, who were used as laborers to build the countries material infrastructure. 
::While at Stone Mountain, it is said that Borglum became a senior advisor to the newly reborn Ku Klux Klan. Whether this accorded with a racist world view, or if it was simply one way to bond with some of his patrons on the Stone Mountain project, is unclear. Borglum's motivations for dealing with the KKK may be hazy, but the association has long been a matter of public record. " 
I don't believe that statements such as ",,,,is well documented" can be allowed to stand without the documentation being revealed.  the same is true for the statement "Many claim that ... " without at least some suggestion as to who the "many" might be. Ditto for " long been a matter of public record."  Please tells us where in the record.  It should not be too hard.  An article on Borglum without a Controversy  section is like an egg with out salt, or as my grandmother once said, "a kiss without a beard."  However it needs to be done right and I believe that what we have here ain't right.  Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just moved an entire section here to talk about 

message: It took 1 million years for this to form naturally.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.220.110.66 (talk) 13:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction of Rushmore  

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message: Since this is a hot issue, I think we need to have solid proof for membership in KKK before asserting it. The secondary source which claims it must be examined to see if it cites at least 2 reliable primary sources.  Thus I have deleted the definitive claim in the article.  Such a claim requires at least 2 reliable secondary sources, both of which document primary sources. The article records the denial by Borglum, which requires strong evidence to brush it off. A mere opinion that "it was for public consumption" is insufficient. (PeacePeace (talk) 04:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: A 2023 book states:  (bold mine) Schazjmd (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whether or not Borglum was a member of the KKK is disputed. Smithsonian says no proof of officially joining. 

message: The section Public Life concludes by saying, 'The museum at Mount Rushmore displays a letter to Borglum from D.C. Stephenson, the infamous Klan Grand Dragon who later was convicted of the rape and murder of Madge Oberholtzer. The 8x10 foot portrait contains the inscription "To my good friend Gutzon Borglum, with the greatest respect."' Grammatically, the letter and the portrait appear to be the same artifact. Will someone who knows the facts please unscramble this? J S Ayer (talk) 03:53, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship with D. C. Stephenson 

message: Other than a one liner about the Bull Moose Party and KKK speculation, there's nothing about his politics.
I'd like to know whether or not he 'belonged' to any other political party after the Bull Moose collapsed in 1920. 2600:8800:204:C400:7088:1EE1:13F1:F556 (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Politics ? ? ?