Talk:Reinhold Messner

message: "Charges have been leveled" seems a bit extreme and perhaps non-NPOV. He didn't commit any crime if he did push himself too hard and has suffered brain damage (I don't know either way) as a result. His mountaineering accomplishments cannot be any less great if such "charges" are true. Every climber has the option to push himself to extreme (yes, I'm sure most accomplished climbers have pushed themselves to such limits). Sounds to me like there's some mountaineers out there that might be just a little too jealous of his astounding accomplishments. I believe Anatoli Boukreev summitted Everest at  least once w/o supplemental oxygen but was not a solo ascent. RedWolf 06:46, May 4, 2004 (UTC)
:Comes from politics I'll bet, where people are always "leveling charges". It would be cool to locate a particular source for the claim - an editorial or maybe even just a press release from a campaign opponent, which would certainly put it in perspective. If there's no source, then I'd delete the claim altogether, we may just be repeating an anonymous smear attempt. If we kept brain-damaged people out of politics it would be total anarchy! :-) Stan 12:31, 4 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly related to his book about the Yeti, charges have been leveled against Messner that he has perhaps pushed himself too hard in his career and suffered real brain damage from hypoxia at high altitudes. Others counter that this does not in any way detract from his accomplishments, and Messner himself has always been very much an individualist from the start. If nothing, the story of the Yeti surely gave him some air time in the media with possible effect on the sales of his books, one of which is titled after the story.
It was too vague even before the yeti stuff was added, and "possibly related" is either original research or even less acceptable vagueness than before.  What is it that the sources say? -- that may help work up encyclopedic language.
--Jerzy (t) 03:36, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
Maybe something about his competition with Kukuczka "who would be first to reach all 14 peaks" should be added and the controversies explained?
Szopen 13:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Would be nice. Do you have some reference? Gala.martin 03:39, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier comments

message: Is there any reason to allow "Ben Folds Five" to do promotion on this page?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.58.241.44 (talk) 21:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I would posit that far more people know of Ben Folds/ Ben Folds Five than Mr. Messner.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.172.223.74 (talk) 19:39, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not, but rather beside the point.  Reinhold is a sports star throughout Europe.  Ratagonia (talk) 07:17, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Pop Band 

message: That was indeed Messner's climb of Nanga Parbat in 1978. He started at Base Camp and made the whole ascent on his own. Without using bottled oxygen and without installing high camps or fixed ropes.Hermann Buhl's first ascent of the same mountain in 1953 was organized by an expedition. Buhl's soloing started from an high camp and ended at the same high camp. Buhl's achivement is of course extraordinary but it is not considered a solo climb.
--Rupert Pupkin (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Solo Climb of an 8000er 

message: As most books by Reinhold are published in German [first editions] it might be worthwhile to add a list of'm to this article.  However, that being said, it's quite a list and it'd almost double the size of this article.  I've set up a preliminary list 
HERE and I'd appreciate any input or comments on this.  TIA, Qwrk (talk) 12:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Author of many books in German - Request for comment / advice 

message: Messner is not german;
he is Italian from a german language area,
but that doesn't make him a german.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.13.176.167 (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We do know he's Italian but as he's a native of Southern Tyrol his mothers tongue is German.  I've made a wee edit as the article clearly states; Messner is a native speaker of German and also fluent in Italian  Qwrk (talk) 20:36, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Messner brothers are as much Italian as their names are: Günther & Reinhold!--82.113.98.160 (talk) 02:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Reinhold Messner is indisputably an Italian citizen.  It is not necessary for an Italian citizen to have a name that "sounds Italian" to people with narrow minds.  There are French citizens with names that sound German or Czech, and British citizens with names that sound Indian or Chinese.  Ethnic background and citizenship are two different things, as mature, informed people know very well. Cullen328 (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: He is an Italian citizen, yes. But an ethnic German, as most people in South Tirol have been for 2,000 years or so.68.45.174.58 (talk) 01:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Reinhold Messner (born September 17, 1944) is an Italian-born German mountaineer??? 

message: It would be more correct to say "Alto Adige" instead of "South Tyrol".
In fact Tyrol is an old region that doesn't exist anymore;today it is called Alto Adige.
It is like saying that sarkozy is a politician from Gaul or beckham a sportman from Britannia  : )  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.13.176.106 (talk) 20:04, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "Südtirol" if anything.68.45.174.58 (talk) 01:57, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

text: It's already incorrect to call him italian. 178.24.247.90 (talk) 10:59, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  is an Italian mountaineer and explorer from South Tyrol

message: This article states:
On the morning of 27 June, Reinhold Messner was of the view that the weather would deteriorate rapidly, and set off alone from the last high-altitude camp. Surprisingly his brother climbed after him and caught him up before the summit. 
So the version of events here is that Reinhold set off alone FOLLOWED by Günther. However, the page on Günther has a different version of events:
Günther ascended Nanga Parbat alone up the Rupal face during the middle of the night, which was at the time, the highest known vertical climb in the world. Messner was followed several hours later by his brother Reinhold who was a more experienced climber. Reinhold caught up to Günther later in the morning, and Günther soon began to show sign of altitude sickness and exhaustion by trying to maintain his pace. 
In this version Günther leaves first, followed by Reinhold. So which is correct? (Worbleswick (talk) 01:23, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Günther  

message: The article says differently in different places. Is it Franz Jäger or Frank Jäger? Limbero (talk) 17:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Franz or Frank Jäger 

message: It always bothered me a little that not more is said in this article about Messner's part in the history of the Seven Summits. Well, I added a section tonight. It's just that I'm not very happy with the wording. I'm going to try to rewrite it tomorrow or the next day. In the mean time, I invite anyone who feels they can improve the section to have at it. Thanks. --RacerX11 Talk to meStalk me  03:42, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: 14 8KM summits trumps 7 summits in an decent climber's book. 205.154.192.198 (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Summits 

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message: He's ethnically austrian/german and this should be mentioned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.24.244.212 (talk) 05:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  lol "italian" 

message: This plainly false. Every climber, including Messner, saw that the weather would be fair. This has repeatedly been confirmed by Werner Haim, Max von Kienlin, and Hans Saler in publications in print.--2A02:8388:8180:B000:A1EF:5097:C1EA:EAEB (talk) 11:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Messner was of the view that the weather would deteriorate rapidly" 

message: Is cited from script of Jurassic Park, a fictional film, (the second film in Spielberg’s franchise from the 1990s).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amsu81 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source of Everest quote 

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message: Who was the first one to solo Mount Everest?
Both the Franz Oppurg article and this one about Messner claim they are the first to solo ascent Mount Everest. Either this article or the Oppurg's one must be incorrect. Uwsi (talk) 21:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it, Oppurg didn't start solo from the bottom, but left the south col alone (i.e. the last stretch) to reach the summit solo (and with oxygen that had been carried up for him earlier). Messner started solo from the bottom and with no oxygen (a true solo).  Messner's solo is the notable one in climbing, Oppurg's solo is more of a technicality. Aszx5000 (talk) 22:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Everest solo ascent 

message: No one ever puts in a sentence that says, "His father was 6 years older than his mother." On any wikipedia biography that I know of.
It's only when the woman is older. Fascinating.
Further, it's not even for every case of older woman/younger man. In this case, it's just four years! And it's completely deducible by the reader by simply looking at their birth dates.
I do wonder why this article found that detail so important that it belonged in the top of the article. El Cubedo (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  So interesting that his parents' age difference is made into a sentence