Talk:Ram Dass

message: He would probably say it doesn't matter, but different titles were added to his name. In 1981 when I heard him he was styled "Swami" but later, "Baba". The dates, origins and significance of these appelations would be interesting.--Hugh7 (talk) 08:24, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Title?

message: Raghvindra Das (Raghu Markus) of the Love Serve Remember Foundation ?
cf  http://www.learnoutloud.com/Podcast-Directory/Self-Development/Emotional-Development/Ram-Dass-Here-And-Now-Podcast/46316
G. Robert Shiplett 12:06, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  also AKA 

message: While there is no problem mentioning that Ram Dass is a vegetarian, the current entry does not provide any context as to why that is significant, as many people are vegetarians and not particularly noteworthy.  I would ask the author to elaborate in a manner suitable for an encyclopedia. For example, it is not even mentioned that most followers of the Hindu religion are vegetarian. Tachyon (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure Ram Dass would style himself a Hindu.  He is a follower of a guru, meditating and formerly practicing some form of yoga, but primarily as a writer and lecturer his vocation was to generate interest in eastern philosophical perspectives.  After many months of training and renunciation of material desires and possessions, his teacher sent him back into society to spread the word, so to speak.  I have read several of his books, and seen one lecture, and he doesn't advocate worship, as such.  He was raised in a non-practicing Jewish household.  Hinduism is kind of a nebulous concept, anyway, comprising the worship of many gods in any one household, with many "ethnic Hindus" practicing more cultural customs than actual religious rites.  Alpert went to India the first time with colleague Tim Leary in a group, all of whom used and advocated the use of halucinogenic substances, particularly LSD, to raise the consciousness.  Alpert's guru-to-be demanded to see the "medicine", which they had not yet told him about, enough for the entire group, and immediately ingested it all himself.  Leary and Alpert observed him for many hours, discerning no change in his manner or his cognition.  This was the swami's way of demonstrating his control over his mind and body.  When the group returned to the West, Alpert remained behind.  He shared this story in his first post-guru book, 'Be Here Now'.  ragity (talk) 05:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ram Dass is a vegetarian. 

message: I see from IMDb that there were other people in the film as well. ( Martin |  talk • contribs  03:42, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film - Sunseed (1973) 

message: The whle page is uncritical and reads like hagiography - but the worst thing is the barely concealed advert at the end calling for financial support for Ram Dass. This may be a fine thing and great cause but surely this does not belong here. 2A01:CB18:8296:BB00:226:BBFF:FE18:843A (talk) 11:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Also exactly correct.  If this hasn't been deleted, I shall delete it myself.  ragity (talk) 05:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Advert in text 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Why is "Hanuman Foundation" done as a link when it just redirects back to here?
It's link 'status' should be removed. 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 03:57, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanuman 

message: The article, based on this source, is saying  This source says  Bus stop (talk) 17:59, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  contradicted 

message: The religionandspirituality.com source about the alleged Bar Mitzvah is not WP:RS. It says:
:Others, though, dismiss their rites of passage, leave their religions of birth, but go on to pursue other forms of religion and spirituality. "Ram Dass (originally Richard Alpert) was so unaffected by his Bar Mitzvah, so disappointed by its essential hollowness, that during college, he seriously explored Quakerism, pioneered psychedelics with Tim Leary at Harvard and is now considered one of the great-granddaddies of modern spirituality in the U.S." 
Notice that he is quoting someone, not Ram Dass, who is neither identified or cited. All we know here is that Ram Dass never said this, someone (maybe) said this about him. Unless you can find the source of this quotation, it's just hearsay and not WP:RS.
On the other hand, Ram Dass himself wrote "My Jewish trip was primarily political Judaism, I mean I was never Bar Mitzvahed, confirmed, and so on." Given an unsourced, unattributed quote vs Ram Dass' own statement, we assume his statement is true unless better sources (such as the rabbi or someone who attended the alleged bar mitzvah), we go with Ram Dass' own statement. Skyerise (talk) 14:30, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bar Mitzvah: per subject, he didn't have one 

message: I noticed an academic article is cited stating the Ram Dass is "a guru of modern yoga."  I can't access the article so can't confirm, but I've read a lot of Ram Dass's work and he's always made a point of saying that he is NOT a guru.  Can anyone confirm what the article actually says?  HappyWanderer15 (talk) 21:49, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a book. We use secondary sources, not what the subject said. It's a legitimate reference and if you disagree, the book can be found at libraries. It's up to you to show that the source doesn't verify the claim. I'm pretty sure the book does and has been used as a source for the linked Wikipedia article as well. Skyerise (talk) 22:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guru? 

message: in this section:
=== Return to America[edit source] ===
In 1971, Richard Alpert traveled back to the United States to share his knowledge. He left the LSD bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills: his psychedelic phase ended there and his spiritual phase was initiated. Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books.
id like to make two edits but id greatly appreciate comment from others before doing so.
# I was under impression that the LSD bottle that Alpert had was LSD in liquid form, and so im confused why this section says he gave the bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills. Would it be appropriate to change this to "53 remaining doses"? i cant find the book that this is referenced from, so im unsure if this was taken from the source or written this way through an editors interpretation.
# im confused by the inclusion of the last sentence: "Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books." Since this section is specifcaaly about Ram Dass' "Return to America", what are your thoughts on removing or moving this sentence to another section?
any comments appreciated. thank you! Uhhhum (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched up that reference and it appears to have been self-published, so I removed the section. Skyerise (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for your help on this @Skyerise! Uhhhum (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. I was away for a while and some bad edits got made to the article. I thought I'd cleaned them all up, but apparently missed some. Thank you for catching that. Skyerise (talk) 20:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, and welcome back! It's a great article and I've enjoyed reading through it. Thanks for your work on it! Uhhhum (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  seeking other editors comment on an edit 

message: In 1971, Richard Alpert traveled back to the United States to share his knowledge. He left the LSD bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills: his psychedelic phase ended there and his spiritual phase was initiated. Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books.
id like to make two edits but id greatly appreciate comment from others before doing so.
# I was under impression that the LSD bottle that Alpert had was LSD in liquid form, and so im confused why this section says he gave the bottle to Bhagavan Das with 53 more pills. Would it be appropriate to change this to "53 remaining doses"? i cant find the book that this is referenced from, so im unsure if this was taken from the source or written this way through an editors interpretation.
# im confused by the inclusion of the last sentence: "Ram Dass also corresponded with Indian spiritual teacher Meher Baba and mentioned Baba in several of his books." Since this section is specifcaaly about Ram Dass' "Return to America", what are your thoughts on removing or moving this sentence to another section?
any comments appreciated. thank you! Uhhhum (talk) 20:41, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched up that reference and it appears to have been self-published, so I removed the section. Skyerise (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you for your help on this @Skyerise! Uhhhum (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome. I was away for a while and some bad edits got made to the article. I thought I'd cleaned them all up, but apparently missed some. Thank you for catching that. Skyerise (talk) 20:43, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem, and welcome back! It's a great article and I've enjoyed reading through it. Thanks for your work on it! Uhhhum (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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