Talk:Samael Aun Weor/Archive 1

message: Samael also known as Saklas is the Valentinian "satan" or anti-god known as the Demiurge. Anyone else see the irony? At any rate the followers of Samael, like the Church of the East & Abroad have multiple websites and put their plethora of links in Wikipedia to advertise.
Their group has not been looked upon favorably by the two original "Apostolic" (and very catholic feeling) neo-gnostic churches known as the Ecclesia Gnostica and Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica Apostolica. These two churches were the first neo-gnostic churches in the US and Canada. These two became stepping stone experiences for many and because of political reasons helped launch more neo-gnostic churches such as the Apostolic Johannite Church, l'Eglise du Plérôme, Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica Hermetica and the Ecclesia Gnostica Mysteriorum. None of these groups speak for the entire neo-gnostic movement and any of them that try to are showing themselves to be acting counter to and ignorantly of the historical gnostic movement.  
There has never been a one "full name" of the Gnostic movement(s). There were Sethians, Valentinians, Ophites, Carpocratians, Thomasines and so on. As can be seen by the new churches above there are new gnostic sects born out of old ones even if their theology is not all that disimilar.  --66.82.9.90 16:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Samael Aun Weor never stated to be related with all Gnostic sects. Nevertheless, he did state that, as a student of Abermentho (Jesus), he was representing the essential Gnostic wisdom, which is the transcendental self-knowledge that liberates one' soul. --Paul Stone 22:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What's in a name?

message: I just want to warn readers not to trust this article because it is flawed. There's so much more about Samael, so many contradictions and different sides that are not explored here. The guardian of this text censured some information I had inserted, and it's obvious that he does not have access to the original Samael texts in Spanish, because all the information was verifiable. But if you only read the few translations out there you don't know the man.
: 72.40.6.255, feel free to present what you please, but if it is not NPOV and not written in a professional tone, it will be removed. I do not believe your additions had both. Paul Stone 21:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A warning to readers. 

message: I have removed non-english "External Links" because there are plently of resources in English. Those who wish to post non-english links, I feel you should do so on the articles that exist within those languages. --Paul Stone 19:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: I am guessing this is Smacksoftruth. You are free to state that he had children, just write it well. If you read your additions, they look choppy and out of place, because they were written in a hurry. You also keep posting an article from a Catholic World News from 1997. The Catholic Church has, since 1950, accussed Samael Aun Weor of many things and in fact jailed him, because he states very clearly that Catholic Church has devated from the message of Jesus. The article is biased, in my opinion.
That "cult watch" groups state this or that about him is also meaningless. I don't doubt that there are many fanatics who state they teach the doctrine of Samael Aun Weor, but it does not mean that they do. It is the same thing with Fourth Way groups, there quite a bit of fanatical groups there, and these same cult watch groups label them in the same way.
Amórtegui (Rabolu) deveated from the doctrine, and if you were a follower of Amórtegui, then you did not study the doctrine at all and you have no idea what you are talking about. I have spoken to many people like yourself, who because they have been physically close to a person, place or thing, they believe to have objective knowledge about it. In reailty if you have not awakened your consciousness in the internal planes of the universe then you know nothing. I don't doubt that you have had a sour experience, but it has nothing to do with Samael Aun Weor or his doctrine. The purity of the teachings in Central and South America is a mixed bag, and it seems to be degenerating very quickly, beginning with Amórtegui. Thankfully, North America has not been totally infested by the fanatical "teachers" of these countries, yet.
Do not assume that what I know comes from the internet, because that wrong. I will continue to remove anything that is biased or seeks to promulgate the idea that Samael Aun Weor began a "dangerous cult."  --Paul Stone 16:45, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello again. I do not think you are a jerk, but you did assume that what I know is from the internet. ("Maybe its time to admit that your knowledge from a couple of web sites sects"). Gnostic followers are indeed followers, but that has nothing to do with Samael Aun Weor or his doctrine, which states very clearly that everyone should only follow their Inner God. If you, at any time where a "follower" that is your own mistake. There is no contradiction with having children and practicing sexual magic, why are you so scandalized by this fact? I have already told you that the reason I deleted your comments was because you wrote them in haste, you have to write things on Wikipedia with a degree of sophistication. Your further edits, such as replacing the entire article with "He created a crazy cult" leaves no choice but to deal with your actions firmly. The article stated that he had children before you made your edit, and it still does. So, what are you yelling about? In sum, the article merely states what he did in his life, and what he taught, no where does it attempt to make "believers" or "followers." The reason one should not waste their sexual energy is clearly taught by Samael Aun Weor, as well Hinduism (Brahmacharya), Buddhism (Kamamudra), Alchemy, etc., which has nothing to do with your ideas. My friend, I wish you good luck too, but remember that any ill thought or deed returns to its maker. --Paul Stone 22:35, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments by Anon 

message: From the article: "This ignorant creator is birthed through the abuse of the sexual energy, the antipode of sexual strength, and in turn creates false psychological worlds that entrap the true nature of each person". This sentence says very important things. I want to "make sure" if I understood it correctly. The word "abuse", through abuse here means through not spilling semen and transmutation? Second, the "antipode of sexual strenght", could the author of this sentence, describe it clearly, in other words?
: Yes, by abuse it means making use of the sexual energy to fornicate through any of the three brains (intellect, emotion, sex). The antipode of sexual strength would be sexual weakness, meaning, not being able to dominate the sexual energy and instead being dominated by the sexual energy through unconscious, instinctual impulses of various infrahuman qualities, just as animals are. Infrahuman impulses create with the sexual energy infrahuman qualities that while suitable for animals, are not suitable for humans. These impulses are the refuse of our necessary evolutive development aquired while we were irrational animals. This is why Jehovah stated "Thou shalt not fornicate," because he is intrested in developing intellectual animals into humans, not back into irrational animals. --Paul Stone 22:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about Samael Demiurge 

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