Talk:Lion/Archive 2

message: Lions are "the second largest feline species, after the tiger", 
THE LION:
The Lion rangers from 330 to 500 lb.  An average fully grown male can be estimated to be in the low 400's.  
"Their diet consists of little children."
?
If they have been known to attack and kill (human?) children for food, fine, but the wording of this sentence is just strange because it sounds like their diet is mostly children.
No they don't kill children for food. In majority cases of a lion actually killing a human for food the lion had a severe injury which made it extremely difficult to catch anything. Lions are not man-eaters but will kill people to get rid of competition or self defense which is called intraguild predation. Meaning predators kill other predators to get rid of competition for example a lion will also kill a leopard or cheetah but not for food.Mcelite (talk) 17:45, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Second largest big cat?''' 

message: Here: http://onlinedictionary.datasegment.com/word/felis+leo, the lion is identified as Felis Leo. That coincides with my 9th grade biology class (1984).
On this page, the lion is identified as Pantera Leo. What's going on?
--Mrfelis 03:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Felis or Pantera? 

message: I disagree on 1: You forgot the indochinese, a forgotten tiger subspecies, which grows to bengal-like size. It's never been a focus of tiger study due to its rarity and political difficulties in its region. In fact, I have watched documentary which dismisses the distinction between 2 subspecies. So what it means: Siberian > Bengal ~ Indochinese > lion > sumatra. The indochinese is also particularly aggressive.
By the way, is there any proof that lion can kill adult buffalo alone? I would like to know —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.220.146.21 (talk) 10:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a lot of evidence, which say, that tigers can kill adult gaurs by their own. If someone says, he wants to see a video to believe that, I would say, that kill-videos of tigers are very rare. Actually one could also argue, that a tiger can not kill a muntjac. I have never seen a video where a tiger kills a muntjak...--Altaileopard 13:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lion and tiger size -cape buffalo 

message: This is from the site of a game reserve in South Africa (part of the Sabi Sands which borders Kruger National Park): 
"March ended on a high note when Solly’s guests saw a lone male lion take down a buffalo bull on his own. Buffalo are normally difficult for a whole pride of lions to bring down, so it is quite remarkable for the guests to have witnessed what they did."
http://www.djuma.co.za/drumbeat0407.php
This confirms that such predation is rare but within the lion's capabilities and occurs on occasion. Ronnymexico 13:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evidence of a single lion killing an adult male cape buffalo 

message: Now, most of the population lives in eastern and southern Africa, and their numbers are rapidly decreasing, estimated as between 16,000 and 30,000 living in the wild, down from an estimated 100,000 in the early 1990s. In addition, the remaining populations are often geographically isolated from each other, which can lead to inbreeding, and consequently, a lack of genetic diversity.
Why is this happening?  What has been going on over the past 15 years to cause the population to plummet?  We need an explanation. Funnyhat 20:48, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population decrease . . . why? 

message: I suggest someone in the know to take a close look to this diff [] made by . It looks like an unconditional revert to some earlier version, typical for long-term vandal WP:LTA/Roitr who seems to have a particular obsession with this article, among many others. --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 14:30, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone? [] --Dmitry (talk •contibs ) 05:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roitr 

message: Most male lions have been exposed to a feline form of HIV, but show no symptoms, this is curently being researched as a possible cure for human AIDS.
I have removed this sentence from the article as it makes a number of assertions and is completely unsupported by references. I suggest it not be readded until reliable sources can be found to confirm this. WjBscribe 00:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: see FIV--HoneymaneHeghlu meH QaQ jajvam 02:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Feline aids

message: Can someone provide a reliable source for the contention that lion populations were alive and well in Southern and Western Europe in historical times? While I have read about lions having survived in the Balkans up to the 5th century B.C., the possibility of Julius Caesar standing face to face with a Gallic lion is completely new to me. I have placed similar fact tags in the European Lion article. Iblardi 19:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed most of the unsourced statements. For the time being, an Asiatic population surviving in the Caucasus well into Medieval times doesn't seem so far-fetched, so I left that one. Iblardi 21:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extinction dates of European lions 

message: hi, lion.
Li-on what?--Nadezda-Tatiania 14:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kathy 

message: I am very sorry to say that the Lion is now an Endangered Species.  I updated the page as well.
-zootycoonfreak
Care to provide any references? It's still listed as vulnerable in the IUCN Red List, so I reverted your change until you can provide any supporting evidence. MCoca 09:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Classification

message: Can we start getting some track images for animals? 74.129.182.66 07:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paw Print 

message: Is there any countrywise data on lion population?Anwar 12:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Population

message: Somebody has edited the subspecies list, and there have been some changes. I am missing the abyssinian lion. What happened to it? Is it just missing from the new list or has it lost it subspecies status? The subspecies list should be updated with comments for the changes. 84.189.90.54 11:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: After my literature, this subspecies is not accepted....  the lions from Ethiopia belong to Panthera leo massaicus.--Altaileopard 09:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, thank you! 84.189.109.137 20:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Subspecies: Panthera leo roosevelti - Abyssinian lion 

message: Dear all - up till now I've worked on fairly specific lifeforms where the names were capitalized as per MOS - eg Red-tailed Black Cockatoo, Common Raven..but lion is a different kettle of fish as it is clearly a common word which is both specific and general:
I'll outline 3 options and can people please vote below -I've trawled through a few weighty discussions lately and I think my eyes will fall out if I have another - I figured we'd better get this straight before we went any further:
===Option 1:lion small letters, but subspecies such as Asiatic Lion/Cave Lion capitalised===
(place vote here)
#Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (I don´t see any reason, why a subspecies should be small and a species capitalised. What happens if someone finds, that cave lions are a distinct species? So I say everything small or everything large!--Altaileopard 13:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I would prefer everything small, but i don´t care to much about that and I think, we will come to a consensus earlier, if I choose this option.--Altaileopard 13:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: PS  I found another site for Mammalian Species.  Here is their  Main Page.  Click on PDF and go to #20 (Snow Leopar), #152 (Tiger), #200 Mountain Lion, and #352 Jaguar. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS And I found the Mammalian Species lion article as well.  Here it is:  Haas, Sarah K., Virginia Hayssen, and Paul R. Krausma  2005.  Panthera leo, Mammalian Species, No. 762, pp. 1–11, 3 figs. (Published 15 July 2005 by the American Society of Mammalogists).  As you can see "lion" is not capitalized. (Initially, when they are dealing with taxonomy, they use Panthera leo, but after page 3, "lion" is used.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well put.  Your counsel for patience is well taken too.  I have moved the discussion of the larger issue to the section below (where I am also collecting secondary and tertiary sources) so that the interim consensus for the lion page can be reached expeditiously.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Shuffles feet and looks at ground)...gosh. what do we do now....cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consensus on capitalization 

message: (place vote here)
#Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:00, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 1:lion small letters, but subspecies such as Asiatic Lion/Cave Lion capitalised

message: (place vote here)
#UtherSRG (talk) 11:26, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (I don´t see any reason, why a subspecies should be small and a species capitalised. What happens if someone finds, that cave lions are a distinct species? So I say everything small or everything large!--Altaileopard 13:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually I would prefer everything small, but i don´t care to much about that and I think, we will come to a consensus earlier, if I choose this option.--Altaileopard 13:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 2:all variants capitalised

message: # First choice Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 16:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Option 3:lion always in small letters, whether subspecies or not

message: OK - succinct discussion below here please.
PS: See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mammals#Capitalization
See WP:BIRD for the logic. While the Lion is unquestionable, there are many many mammal species whose names follow those of birds': <adjective-clause> <noun>. This format makes distinguishing a species from a more general grouping. A good example is also on the WP:BIRD page. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:31, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS  I found another site for Mammalian Species.  Here is their  Main Page.  Click on PDF and go to #20 (Snow Leopar), #152 (Tiger), #200 Mountain Lion, and #352 Jaguar. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 13:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS And I found the Mammalian Species lion article as well.  Here it is:  Haas, Sarah K., Virginia Hayssen, and Paul R. Krausma  2005.  Panthera leo, Mammalian Species, No. 762, pp. 1–11, 3 figs. (Published 15 July 2005 by the American Society of Mammalogists).  As you can see "lion" is not capitalized. (Initially, when they are dealing with taxonomy, they use Panthera leo, but after page 3, "lion" is used.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well put.  Your counsel for patience is well taken too.  I have moved the discussion of the larger issue to the section below (where I am also collecting secondary and tertiary sources) so that the interim consensus for the lion page can be reached expeditiously.  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 01:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Shuffles feet and looks at ground)...gosh. what do we do now....cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:40, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: I think this is a pretty good article. Anyone against a GAC right now?--SidiLemine 13:23, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for noticing. A couple of us are in the process of shaping it up for a tilt at FAC - I'll make a to-do list below.. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAC 

message: Right - let's drop notes here. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: **Some expansion at the Baiting and taming section would be quite nice too. I'll look into it. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: To-do list as of 5th Aug 07

message: Would this be a good idea before putting it in to the FA candidates? Might get some good feedback from some outside editors. Thoughts? -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 23:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not bad - I'd worry it'd just sit there. The person I nag alot about these is Circeus; Clayoquot offered to copyedit but I still had some issues with the comprehensiveness of the content. OK, place it there and if no-one offers after  7-10 days I'll get a usual suspect. :) cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:20, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Done - I have made the peer review. Let's hope we get some useful feedback. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 02:13, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peer Review? 

message: Why was the allery removed?
Profberger 15:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same. Someone said it was "superfluous" I think, but I can't see why... -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 21:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I meant to leave a note  -general galleries are not promoted as good for style of articles and we're working this up for FA nomination. What people are encouraging is to upload images to Wikipedia Commons from where all language Wikipedias can access them and the Lion page there functions as a more comprehensive image gallery. Then, on the lion page we try to work pictures beside the text they are relevant to. I was trying to figure out where and how we could use the images. Again, sorry for the removal and the images deifinitely are appreciated. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: gallery

message: Hi everyone. Do folks think any sections are ready for copyedit? I'm ready to get started but can only do a little bit at a time, so if there is a chunk I can get working on that would be great. Kla’quot (talk | contribs) 04:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think everything down to the subspecies subsection is more or less doen contentwise. Still chasing some stuff for subspecies, and possibly conservation status. Attacks on humans could do with some text-massaging too. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedit

message: I got this Schaller book, which is a great read. I'm thinking we need a small section on communication which can go under group organization, though I am mindful the article is getting quite large. Still, fascinating stuff. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: I would like to add the following links to the article:
* Short videos from Botswana: Lions roaring, Playing in the sand, Dragging a deer carcass
THe linked pages have no ads, no content besides the videos, and are simple pages. 
I would add a "Media" section to the article but Wikipedia's video media inclusion is too much in its infancy for me (it seems to require a link to a player on the personal page of some guy on another wiki site) - once this matures I would contribute my media to the commons and include that way - but for now an EL to a video hosted on another site seems to be the best way to go (by the way, my site is not fly-by-night, it's been up far longer than wikipedia has.)  If I don't hear anything in 72 hours I will assume approval and re-add the link.
Isewell 14:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See 'Links normally to be avoided' on WP:EL: "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." Personal sites are almost always deprecated here because of reliability concerns and because we don't want EL sections swamped. We need to see that these videos clearly add to the article and that they cannot be readily replaced by a reliable source. In the case of this animal, I doubt the videos pass on the second count. Marskell 14:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A reliable source? How is gmaxwell's wikipedia page (where the player for theora files resides) a "reliable source" and any better than a web site that has been up longer than wikipedia itself? I understand the spirit of WP:EL but it seems to me that since wikipedia has no viable alternative for video, that the policy should take this into account and be more accepting of links to externally hosted videos. In addition, the recommended maximum for media files on the commons is 5M. This is insufficient for any decent quality, decent length videos, and given the worldwide proliferation of broadband, this is insufficient.  Isewell 20:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External link to lion videos

message: There is no image of a female lion, which has no facial hairs. See image in Lion King, which has both male and female lions. Lara_bran 11:40, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Presently, there are images of female lions in the article, including one just added to the taxobox.  Please see discussion below for ideas of about images to include/exclude. --Cody.Pope 09:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  female lion pic 

message: Righto - do we have a strong opinion on the taxobox images?
First - one image or two - state preferences under here:
:Two Images I was the one to originally insert the female lion picture in the taxobox.  Per  the taxobox usage guidelines, I feel that the sexual dimorphism of the species and article length justify the inclusion of a second image here instead of later in the article.  Field guides and standard encyclopedias often include two (or three) "type species" images where there are large differences between males, females, and sometimes juveniles (most often the juvenile distinction is in bird field guides, so it may not be relevant here and I'm not advocating a juvenile lion image).  Anyway, so I say two images for those reasons. --Cody.Pope 09:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Keep Current The present  image of the male lion is a featured picture and much better than  the alternate that was there.   The female image is my own, so I am biased, but presently it is a  FPC with a good chance of being promoted, in that event, keeping both FP is best.  ---Cody.Pope 09:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

text: The second version of my lion pic was promoted to a FP.  It's been changed in the taxobox. --Cody.Pope 09:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yippee, we've reached a consensus... cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote on taxobox image

message: We seem to be getting quite a bit of it on this article after the release of the SP. Might it be an idea to re-apply it? Thanks -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ugh, are you an admin AD?  I say put a temp block on the 58ip right now.  Also, I support returning it to SP. --Cody.Pope 10:51, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I am a sysop. If the 58ip keeps it up I will put on a temp block, but he hasn't been warned in due process yet. I'll wait to see what others think before I SP, though. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have gone ahead and semi-protected. The IP vandalism persists and is kind of going out of control. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 06:52, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Beat me to it. thanx dude. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No worries :) -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 07:22, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  IP vandalism 

message: "Cave paintings of european cave lions show excusively animals with no or just hinted manes, what is evidence to suggest, that these prehistoric lions where more or less maneless[19]."
It makes it sound like there might have been some sad little cave-restricted lions back in the day.  Quite the mental image.  Someone please reword this or delete it altogether.  The grammar and spelling could use a little help (okay a lot) also.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.30.194.51 (talk) 01:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, wasn't added by me. This is a big article and I was thinking what to do with this myself...I had left it in case anyone expanded on it as we've got a bit of a run-on on this article at the moment.cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, but I wrote this. I am not a native speaker and have sometimes problems with grammar. Greetings.--Altaileopard 15:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's great. I can't talk as I can't speak any other language :(   But seriously, does anyone have any refs on lions in zoos at all? cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The WAZA Web site contains useful summaries of their studbooks that I believe should be considered reliable.  (The studbooks themselves are quite difficult to track down, or at least they were for pygmy hippos... I was unsuccessful.)  Here's their summary of the lion studbook: Virtual Zoo - Panthera leo.  Maybe that will be of some use. --JayHenry 18:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (as Popeye says..)...well blow me down. Well spotted! (big sigh of relief)...this section is the last major block before a run at FAC so I'll muse on't.cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The rare cave lions... 

message: The largest verifiied lion in the wild isn't 225 kg. It's 272 kg. The 272kg specimen represent the highest verified weight for a wild lion in recent years. The source is the article "Panthera leo" from the American Society of Mammalogists. 272 kg lion  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.188.29 (talk) 06:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The largest lion

message: I want to repeat again that 225 kg is not the largest recently  verified weight (not even second largest). Bruce Patterson in his book "The Lions of Tsavo" (2004) lists three lions from Aberdares that were 180 kg, 200 kg, and 230 kg. Here is the scan from his book.  
The Aberdares sample included in the book contained 
four adult males for linear dimensions but only three of these 
were weighed. The Abderdares Mts are close to Mt Kenya, where Bongo Woodley was a warden where he shot that lion that I mentioned above as the largest verified 272 kg lion 24.166.188.29 00:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - we got it in. cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some other new weights 

message: Why are all the pictures blanking out, one by one? ---Sluzzelin talk 11:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most probable cause is some issue at meta which will probably be corrected really soon. 70.51.117.130 14:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, yep I saw this now. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's happening to the pictures? 

message: This should be explained or wikilinked in the text, I think. Firsfron of Ronchester 16:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey yeah...well spotted. (I didn't put that bit in) cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Zoon

message: I think it is not good to have the taxonomy at the beginning of the article. Actually my personal interrest belongs to taxonomy and pleistocene mammals, but I think the average user is not happy with a list of some debatable subspecies at the beginning of the text. Better would be physical characteristics.--Altaileopard 17:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are now a significant number of other FAs with this layout/order of sections. I pondered over this and during the development of the article the section moved up and down a bit. In the end I figured that although it was unfortunate this section was so hefty here, I wasn't keen on juggling contents for each biology article I work on. It is now in more or less the same order as other cat FAs. I also noted a description of a lead somewhere as something someone could read if they didn't want to read the article (which they can here, and the TOC comes next so they can flip over it). cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 19:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are the other cat FAs? I'd like to put my two cents in on the FAC, but want to compare it to other FAs (and other encyclopedias, too). Firsfron of Ronchester 21:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bobcat, Cougar and Jaguar (unless I missed one). Circeus 23:04, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Circeus. I'll take a look later today. Firsfron of Ronchester 23:38, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

text: okay.--Altaileopard 22:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy at the beginning? 

message: I'm looking at the subsection I've added under "Captivity" and thinking it should really be merged with "Population and conservation status", any thoughts? Circeus 23:12, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (Dammit - pages loading really slowly here) - yes I agree - good spot which may reduce some duplication. My access will be patchy today and looks like my connection is slow. I am more than happy for you to do it but if you can't I'll do it sometime in the next day or two. (hopefully my connection will speed up soon). cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: I am still looking at article length on this one, its just that it is so dense and succinct already... :( cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conservation merge 

message: Would like more info, showing the references, on historic lion spread in Europe.  Also, like to know why the lions died out in Americas?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TCO (talk • contribs) 19:28, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for input  -the article is pretty big as is and would have loved to add more. Am considering a fork article. Or it will be written about on American lion subarticle cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:46, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  historic lion range 

message: I don't feel comfortable just adding things willy-nilly to big articles like this - but could the Chinese lion dance be mentioned? It's the only cultural depiction worth mentioning that isn't in this article. Otherwise this is a great article - I enjoyed reading and editing it. Graham87 00:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmmm I see it's already in cultural depictions of lions but I think the lion dance should be mentioned in the main article if possible because it's very well-known. I should be working now, not adding random things to talk pages :-) ... Graham87 00:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Gosh, good pick-up. I'd completely forgotten about that. Umm...I don't mind if you wanna try and stick it in but try to get a ref and format and I will try and streamline...cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:14, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a paragraph on lions in China - it's more about the depictions of lions in Chinese art than the lion dance, but IMHO it covers things reasonably well. Graham87 14:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of the lion dance? 

message: Someone please correct the awful line "...Reaching up to over 272 ". If it can be "over" then it isn't only "up to". If it is only "up to" then it cannot be "over". Is 272 a limit, or isn't it?
Thank you. Now I can relax.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.169 (talk) 20:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, well spotted (now how did that get there...)..and fixed cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reaching up to over 272... 

message: Spoke too soon. If a thing can be between two amounts, *and* it can be "more" than the greater of those two ammounts, then the upper limit becomes an arbitrary and meaningless limit. Why not just, "can reach over 1,000 pounds"? That would indicate that we are sure that they can reach over 1,000 pounds but that we are not sure by how much.
I would dearly love to correct this but the page is locked and I can't be bothered to register. Please, some kind person change the passage to actually mean something. Remember, lions are usually big but when they are not, they can be half that size. That's a fact.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.187.233.169 (talk) 20:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  and can be between 800 and 1,000 pounds or more 

message: The sketch of two lions at this page is attributed to 'Alfred Durer.'  His real name, in German, was ALBRECHT DURER (w/ umlaut U).  ALBRECHT, NOT ALFRED.  Also, someone might want to add that the cognate of 'pura' (in the section mentioning 'SINGAPORE' = "lion city") is noneother than the Greek -polis, in words like metropolis, metropolitan, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, megalopolis, etc. One could just add:  cognate with Grk. polis.  
---20/10/2007  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.85.197 (talk) 02:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done both those things - thanks for catching the mistake and for the suggestion. I copied the Greek characters from the metropolis article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Graham87 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Found a mistake but can't correct

message: The  article states the lion's maximal speed 80 km/hr, ostensibly on the basis of Schaller's findings (p233). What Schaller actually writes is: "Howell(1944) listed it as 80 km/hr, a figure which is too high; Guggisberg (1961) mentioned 48 to 59 km/hr and this estimate agrres with mine."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Soz101 (talk • contribs) 07:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: maximal speed given is erroneous, I have corrected it

message: The lion article says that lions are the second-biggest cats after tigers. This is excluding ligers. Is there a reason for this? I have changed it before but people keep reverting it as vandalism. -- 24.3.21.56 11:29, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose it should say the lion is the second biggest species of cat - but this would be wordier and all because of a few odd hybrids in captivity somewhere. essentially the liger is not a species nor is it natural.cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ligers are the biggest cats 

message: The article needs a world distribution map showing the approx distribution range for lions both for the present as well as the past. Can someone make and add one. The article seems incomplete without it. AshLin (talk) 08:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose, but as they occurred everywhere except Australia and Antarctica at some point may be tricky to have on same map as current distribution, then having two maps seems like overkill really...cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request

message: The Royal Scotch standard under "Cultural depictions" should be changed to the SVG :Image:Royal arms of Scotland.svg. 68.39.174.238 (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Umm, when I get a sec...cheers,  Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: . east.718 at 23:30, January 15, 2008
can somebody tell me ,how long is loin's jump,how long can he jump?--Vule91 (talk) 13:41, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
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