Talk:Australian Psychological Society

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192.232.130.71 (talk) 01:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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message: The following conversation was copied from User talk:Nik50382 and User talk:Manticore.
Dear Manticore - instead of continuing to express your views on the APS Wikipage perhaps you should consider setting up your own organisation's page Nik50382 (talk) 23:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a means of promoting the APS, nor the ACPA; with whom I have no affiliation, I might add. The information you are continually removing is not my personal opinion, has been appropriate sourced, and you will be blocked if you continue to remove it. — Manticore 12:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Manticore - I don't believe that it is vandalism to be including the factual and verifiable positions of this organisation on its own page. Your are welcome to start a new page on psychology training if you wish but you are appear to be trying misrepresent the APS views in your 'controversy' section and using biased newspaper references some of which were bordering on slander. It is also difficult for me to understand if you are not a member of this new organisation why are promoting it as alternative in the material you keep posting? Why not take a positive step and begin something new on psychology training standards where your views could be discussed on a more appropriate page. Nik50382 Nik50382 (talk) 09:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Dear Manticore - I haved removed the controversy section because it is not factual and supported with newspaper references that as previously stated border on slanderous and should not disseminated vai secondary websites. You are trying to use the APS entry to promote another organsation and that is vandalism. The statements that I have placed on the site are the factual positions of the APS. You can edit these statements if you believe they are inaccurate -although I would find it hard to understand how you can do that considering these are public documents. Regards Nik50382Nik50382 (talk) 23:26, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

text: The debate over education and standards could also be covered briefly on the Psychologist#Australia page. I worked on this a while ago but it needs to be updated. ----Action potential  discuss contribs 14:24, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits

message: This was originally written on my talk page. It is in regards to the most set of edits by Superstitous123. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 14:09, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent edits by Superstitous123 

message: You have undone all of my contributions yet only responded to one in your posting about levels of concern. While I agree Wikipedia is not about promoting organisations equally it should not be used to misrepresent them either. It's good to see that you would like us to be honest Manticore.Is it really being honest to infer that most people who have undertaken four years of training and two years of supervised practice have no practical training? Is it honest to continue to infer that the APS has lobbied for lowering standards without any evidence other than the opinion of disgruntled ex members in a newspaper article? Is it honest to infer that it is the role of APS to set the standards for the registration of psychologists in Australia when it is the National Registration Board. Lastly if you have no affiliation with the newly established Association for clinical psychologists why do continue to reinstate its website link - now come on be honest!Superstitous123 (talk) 08:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: First, I can promise you that I'm not associated with the APS; hell, I'm not even Australian. The text you're adding, particularly in this edit, is problematic. For one, you removed a whole lot of references and instead replaced them with [4], [5], and so on. They don't go anywhere, so it's not clear what they refer to. You need to read WP:POV and understand that the text you're adding has a skewed point of view. Text like "These same people contend that the APS is effectively lowering national standards by arguing that a 4 year degree plus two years of supervision is adequate to qualify for the title "psychologist". However the APS has stated that is incorrect as these standards are set by the Psychological Registration Bards not the APS which has been advocating for improved standards" is unacceptable: without a huge amount of reliable sources. Further, "These same people" is a little too crude and harsh-sounding for Wiki. And who's to say what "these people contend" without a source? That's juts your own take on things. And on top of all that, that sentence violates the synthesis rule: even if you did have a source for what those people contend, and another source to show what the APS says, combining them together to draw your own new conclusion isn't allowed. Read the policies I've quoted above, take a look at your edits, and then see if the text you're trying to add really can be added. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 14:25, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Important response 

message: I was reading your response to Supertitious123 and it doesn't explain why you continue to not allow any edits to this contentious piece of work.  The reference to the line "A growing number of Clinical Psychologists have reportedly resigned from, or are planning to resign from, the APS in protest" does not provide any evidence that this is the case. This line has been removed. This line is then follwed by the advertisement that "A new non-profit organization called the Australian Clinical Psychology Association (ACPA) is being formed with the mission "to represent, support, and promote those with accredited post-graduate qualifications in clinical psychology, and advance the standards of the profession, in the best interests of the public and the profession" with a link to its website. This is promoting another organisation and has been removed. In the 3rd paragrpah the sentence "These claims have been strongly refuted by the APS" has been added and is reported in the existing reference. I agree with Supertitious that the title would be more accurate to be titled education and training which reflects the content and is less emotive. In the 2nd paragraph it says that "Many APS members have completed only four years of University education" this incorrect as APS members must complete four years of university education plus two years of supervised training to be eligible for associate membership not full membership. The way it is currently written it implies that APS accepts members with only fours years of university training. Nik50382 (talk) 00:32, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: These changes by Nik50382 appear sensible. But I think we should mention the new national registration board for psychologists (Psychology Board of Australia; PBA) which comes into effect very soon. Also the recent increase in medicare rebates for members of the clinical college has been driving the recent disputes over minimum training standards. Alternate education routes including a new 5+1 program is also currently being developed by the APS and unnamed universities.  It is unclear how long grandfathering of 4+2 members will remain in place. Another point is that the clinical college is just one of many colleges in the APS. The current section titled Education and Training is focused entirely on clinical. We should add more information about colleges of forensic, sports, etc. ----Action potential  discuss contribs 03:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest edits 

message: I agree - I have added information on nine colleges, national registration board and new 5 + 1 pathway as identifiedNik50382 (talk) 06:35, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  more detail 

message: For those of you not paying attention to the SPI, it was confirmed that Superstitious123 is Nik50382. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 14:33, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for checking that. I was assuming good faith. Even if we suspect sockpuppets in the future, we should just insist on high quality sources and that everyone adheres to NPOV policies. What changes do you want to suggest now? ----Action potential  discuss contribs 16:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly I think I need a full hour or two to devote to looking at the changes made by Nik50382 and figure out what should and should not be in. I'm not well versed enough on the topic (well, at all) to just be able to read the text and determine whether or not it's correct. But you're right, it's all about the sourcing. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 16:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
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