Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 14

message: The last tfd, the closing admin must have been on crack when he said lean towards keep. So I'm going to nominate it again. --Ķĩřβȳ♥ŤįɱéØ 09:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 34-8 consensus for deletion, with the deletion going through properly this time. A deletion review has been opened here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_February_13#Template:Messianic_Judaism  DanielC/T+ 18:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Messianic Judaism renominated for deletion [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Messianic_Judaism|here]] 

message: There is currently a dispute over whether the word "Adonai" is singular or plural for the purposes of the Tetragrammaton article. Any and all commentary is welcome. Kari Hazzard (T | C) 22:22, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is ludicrous to suggest that the Tetragrammaton (which we pronounce A––nai) refers to multiple deities. Have you ever heard of pluralis majestatis? JFW | T@lk 18:09, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Talk:Tetragrammaton]] 

message: Inigmatus has opened an AMA request for advocacy against "Jewish editors" who he believes have "have bandwagoned many good, properly sourced Messianic Judaism articles to VfD death", also stating that "Jewish admins enforce the deletions." Normally this wouldn't concern me - if advocacy is what he feels is needed, I believe we all would be quite happy to work with an advocate. What's distressing is that he states in the request that "death threats have been issued to MJ editors." If this is true and it's come from Judaism project members it's a major problem that we need to examine here. I haven't personally seen these threats, but I don't get around as much as many here do. Can anyone help verify this? I've asked inigmatus to comment here regarding these threats. DanielC/T+ 10:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Without evidence to back this up Inigmatus will have some difficulty explaining himself. MJ editors need to stop pushing their nefarious agenda on Wikipedia. They can have their own articles about their own beliefs which we should mercilessly fact-check. They cannot claim that they are a branch of Judaism, because no single mainstream Jewish branch recognises MJ as such. Therefore, to suggest otherwise would be WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and potentially trolling. JFW | T@lk 12:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I've removed the editor from the memberlist. We should have no desire to associate with such people. DanielC/T+ 17:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  MJ AMA Request 

message: Please see the discussion at Talk:Jewish feminism#Does Jewish feminism really exist?. Thanks, IZAK 12:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish feminism 

message: Could someone take a look? I think ancient Egyptians can be safely moved out of Judaism section, but I've never heard of Jews who "painted their... heads, and other parts of their bodies with blue dyes". The same text is repeated in Blue#Religion:Blue in Judaism. ←Humus sapiens ну? 12:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Blue in Judaism]] 

message: Centralized discussion at Talk:Partnership minyan#No halakhic support for egalitarian innovations in Orthodoxy. Thank you, IZAK 10:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No halakhic support for egalitarian innovations in Orthodoxy 

message: Someone ought to fix Alms#Judaism, which presently contains only the sentence:  In the Jewish tradition, charity is secondary to tzedakah, or redistributive justice. --Smack (talk) 05:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charity 

message: I'm being accused of bigotry over suppression an external link to a non-notable article on Talk:Ten Commandments. Could others please comment whether this is a reasonable accusation? JFW | T@lk 22:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bigotry 

message: I have a question about the following story:
"The shochet must be a learned and pious man. A story I once read about a shochet goes something like this: The old shochet had retured and the rabbi had to help choose a new one. When one of the people in the town, a friend of the rabbi's asked about the candidate the rabbi had seen today, asked about the new potential shochet. The rabbi shook his head. "Did he check the knife for sharpness and nicks?" The rabbi nodded. "Did he slaugter with one smooth, clean stroke?" The rabbi nodded again. "Did he say the proper blessing?" The rabbi nodded. "Did he drain the blood and check the lungs?" The rabbi again nodded. "So, what is the problem?" asked his friend. "The old shochet used to cry afterwards" replied the rabbi. That is the ideal shochet, one who not only follows the proper proceedures in slaugtering the animal, but whom is sensitive and not blood thirsty, who knows that the eating of flesh is a consession. (source of the story is unknown, if you know, please e-mail me so I can properly credit the source)." 
I didn't write this, I found it on a random Jewish website. Has anyone else on here ever heard this and know the touching story's source? I would really like to know. Thanks. (Ghostexorcist 01:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do not know a source for that story, but is sounds hasidic.  The view expressed in the story is not universally accepted. Jon513 19:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it the "crying" thing that is not accepted? You are right about it sounding Hasidic. The only reason I say that now is because I ran across another story, after posting this, that dealt with the Baal Shem Tov telling a new shochet that the old one wet his honing stone with tears and not spit. I'm assuming this is a Hasidic tale since it mentions the Baal shem tov. What would be a universally accepted view?(Ghostexorcist 20:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say that the view was not accepted, I said it is not universally accepted.  Some say that indeed eating meat is a concession (for which there are a variety of Aggadahic sources for), others focus on the strict halakha that eating meat is permitted and therefore impossible that one should feel bad about it (ie morality is defined by halakha).  Jon513 20:24, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I appreciate your insight. (Ghostexorcist 20:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about story... 

message: Does anyone know of an English language book that focuses on the history, training (i.e. sharpening of his knife, recognition of disease, recital of prayers, etc.) and day-to-day job of the Shochet for all forms of Judaism? I can only look so much stuff up on the internet. (Ghostexorcist 07:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a book by Rabbi Levinger from Zurich (Shehita in the year 2000 or something like that) which is slightly apologetic but has much relevant information. JFW | T@lk 08:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I found the book online, it's called Schechita in The Light of The Year 2000. (Ghostexorcist 18:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In my search for a book on the Shochet, I ran across one called the Dinim de Sehita y Bedica written for Aaron Mendoza. It was a 48-page spanish language book, with accompanying text and illustrations, that was published in London in 1733. If you would like to see it click here (PDF format only). I’m afraid my Spanish isn’t very good, so if there are any spanish-speaking Jews out there, this might be of some interest to you. (Ghostexorcist 19:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 

message: I submitted V'Imru for proposed deletion on the grounds that the article was basically just a dictionary definition and Wikipedia is not a dictionary. The article creator removed the proposed deletion tag on the grounds that the religious significance of the word "v'imru" is that when one hears it, that is the signal to say "amen". My question is whether that is enough to constitute religious significance. After all, standing up is part of a religious service as well, but we don't have an article titled Please rise. --Metropolitan90 07:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should have one for "and we rise"? :-p  Tomertalk 03:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

text: PROD was removed. It's on AFD now: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/V'Imru. JFW | T@lk 10:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[V'Imru]] 

message: How can I be a part of the WikiProject Judaism?  Jonathan Haack ...  Oemb1905 19:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Click on the link "project page" on top, scroll down to Members, and click edit. Or simply click  here. Welcome! ←Humus sapiens ну? 21:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How? 

message: :Category:Antisemitic canards has been proposed for deletion here. Some input from people familiar with the topic would be appreciated. I personally would like to know if "Antisemitic canards" is the term used in reference works to describe this topic, or if there is another, more common, term. - Jwillbur 01:57, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category for discussion: Antisemitic canards 

message: Someone looking for something to do, that doesn't involve much in the way of controversy, might consider tackling some of the redlinks in the article on Jewish music (the article itself could use some help as well)...  It's a pretty sad day when we've got an article on V'Imru but not on, e.g., Abie Rotenberg and the Miami Boys Choir...  Tomertalk 03:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  eh... [[Jewish music]] is too red...