Talk:Lorelei

message: The sign labelling the rock is in bad taste. Is that sufficent grounds to remove the photo of it? (Say yes!) Wegesrand (talk) 11:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of "Loreley" Sign

message: The article is really well written! However, the last verse is just a "little" bit incorrect, and i changed it.  
"Ich glaube, die Wellen verschlingen 
Am Ende Schiffer und Kahn"
The "ich glaube" clause means "i believe" or "i suppose". This changes the meaning of the song, because the element of NOT knowing is a literary device that was employed purposefully. I'm open, as always, to opposing views! O'Donnell 19:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Verse

message: The majority of the trivia section is found on the Lorelei (disambiguation) page, and is therefore redundant. The rest of the info should be on the disambiguation page, since trivia sections are discouraged. Unless someone can come up with a better solution, I'll move the pertinent trivia info to the disambig page in a week. Joliefille 05:47, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks , wherever you are these days. Sadly it looks like the trivia remained and became a magnet. I will see if anything is worth salvaging. - Hunan201p (talk) 03:10, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: There's some use of first person in here, which shouldn't be there. The trivia section needs trimmed quite a bit, mainly, nearly all of it should go. After that, I'd think it's a pretty good article. 65.189.170.90 10:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs some work 

message: Lonnie Donegan, the King of Skiffle, did a song called Lorelei.  It had to do with having kissed various girls around the world, "but I never knew what kissing was 'til I kissed Lorelei."  The punch line is "Kissing is her specialty, her one and only dish,/'Cause Lorelei's a mermaid, half a woman, half a fish."  I can't find anything online about this song.
Jwoiton 17:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Speaking of songs, should the Dschinghis Khan song Lorelei be mentioned? It is directly about the matter of this article. Xavius, the Satyr Lord (talk) 11:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lonnie Donegan should be included, with a link to his Wikipedia page 

message: The first 4 lines of the song for Lorelei are referenced in a techno track played by Geoffroy aka Mugwump (http://www.myspace.com/geoffroymugwump) at Kompakt Night in Belgium in May 2009.
Here's the mix that contains the track: http://www.samurai.fm/player/index.php?id=4625 . The lyrics start at 41:43 .
If someone could identify the track, I think this would be a good and reliable reference to add to this article. 24.143.72.201 (talk) 18:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Techno track inspired by Lied der Lorelei 

message: I added a link to an English verse-translation of Heine's text, since it seemed apposite, and there wasn't one already. Szfski (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: Right, hello, I am going to go through this section and seriously edit it down, I am already wikifying it to conform to italics and suchlike, but all the non-notable stuff is going to go, if you have a claim that your reference is notable, then speak up. CaptainScreebo Parley! 00:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see section note before adding extra cultural references, this is beyond a joke, only significant works of art featuring or referencing the Lorelei in a major way will be included, please see Wikipedia: Trivia and Wikipedia: Handling trivia. I am also going to clean the External Links section. CaptainScreebo Parley! 12:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: A picture of the Heine Memorial was added semi-recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lorelei&diff=prev&oldid=494440464. While the article does refer to this statue, I don't feel a picture is warranted here, since the article is about the place, not Heine's poem, much less the mythical figure alluded to there. Thoughts anyone? Otherwise i will remove it. cheers, Doceddi (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The place cannot be separated from the mythical figure and the folk tale (is there a separate article for that? I don't find one on the disambiguation page). And it is rather surprising that in the far-away Bronx a German peculiarity is remembered. ♆ CUSH ♆ 18:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: There's little in the article about the geology or the place, which would seem to have little significance without Loreley herself.  The memorial to the lyrical poet Heine, which features Loreley, acquired a special significance beyond its artistic merits: in Düsseldorf, where the memorial for Heine was enthusiastically planned, the concept became bogged down in anti-Semitic, nationalist, and religious criticism by the time the fountain was finished.  Through the intervention of German American activists, led by Carl Schurz, the memorial was to be transplanted to a very prominent location (the plaza at 59th Street and Fifth Avenue) in Manhattan.  There the memorial statue became embroiled in yet another foolish controversy, then found its way to a prominent position in The Bronx, at 161st Street and Grand Concourse.  This means a lot in New York.  There is only one pre-1945 German memorial to Heine, in Frankfurt. See:   "Sturm und Drang Over a Memorial to Heinrich Heine" The New York Times (27 May 2007).  See also: Lehman College, Public Art in The BronxFconaway (talk) 20:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

text:  .. would seem to have little significance without Loreley herself -- oo, you'd not say that if you'd ever been there :) it's a very striking geological / landscape formation. I don't dispute the significance of the memorial -- in fact, i added the link to the article. i'm just questioning the justification for a picture here. cheers, Doceddi (talk) 13:08, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, the physical point and its geology deserve more extensive treatment in the article.  If the image of Loreley doesn't belong here, neither would the discussion of the folklore and the literary imprint of Loreley.  They are of a piece.  And they belong somewhere: perhaps a separate article, but only if the legend would have existed independently. Is there evidence on this question? Fconaway (talk) 08:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture of fountain 

message: This was flagged for follow-up by  WikiProject Middle Ages, yet the article has a focus on Nineteenth century literary history:  it has practically nothing to do with the Middle Ages.  I have removed.Fconaway (talk) 21:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Middle Ages

message: In the Philippine novel Noli Me Tangere, the Lorelei is mentioned in the seventh chapter.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.161.122 (talk) 12:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Noli Me Tangere 

message: thumb|Loreley
*In 1903 in almost all German terms letter "y" was changed for letter "i", but in some German names, letter "y" was kept, such as Speyer, Loreley, Spay, (Rheinberg-)Orsoy, …
*Loreley is the spelling preferred by Duden, the standard orthographic dictionary of German language, 24th edition, 2006. I never have seen it with an "i" in German texts. Even the large painted sign on the base of the rock uses that spelling. The photographer, who transferred the photo from en.wikipedia under the wrong spelled name, was an American.--Ulamm (talk) 23:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Whatever it is, it's how the rock is denoted in English and the English-speaking world, generally. For good or ill or rightly or wrongly. Herostratus (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling