Talk:McGuffey Readers

message: I just wanted to add in the dicussion that it surprises me that the fact that the readers were horribly racist is mentioned nowhere in the article. --169.229.81.51 23:28, 9 February 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Racist

message: For a detailed exploration of this issue, see Chapter 1 of Henry Ford and the Jews, written by Neil Baldwin.
Adam Holland 18:14, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mcguffey's readers promoted anti-semitism 

message: This article as a whole strikes me as being rather glaringly biased, as evidenced by such choices of words as "McGuffey's Readers are regularly maligned in today's age of political correctness, hypersensitivity, and imagined grievences." --Redeagle688 04:01, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ya think?  See the comment right above yours for a good example proving this.  96.239.132.63 (talk) 00:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV problems

message: The page looks fine to me, if anything, it never really substantiates any argument that the McGuffey Readers were racist.  It should show more evidence if  the claim is made. --74.135.4.150 16:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page looks fine to me 

message: The finished works represented far more than a group of textbooks; they helped frame the country's morals and tastes, and shaped the American character. - This sounds like a sweeping generalization.  It would be nice to see an authoritative work cited to support this assertion. --W. B. Wilson (talk) 15:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the paragraph in question as a citation for its claims have not been forthcoming in three months. W. B. Wilson (talk) 15:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation request 

message: The page linked as the copyright violation seems to be a transcription of this document published by the US Federal Government's National Parks Service. In light of this general disclaimer, it seems likely that it is in the public domain, though we should probably attribute if possible to avoid further copyright worries. John Nevard (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the first revision stored notes that it is taken from a public domain NPS source, the link to which has now vanished (as an HTML page, anyway). John Nevard (talk) 18:52, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The material has been restored and credit given as required by governing license. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  COPYVIO 

message: Remarkable Preservation – Prof Wilson
The Maniac - Anonymous
Scene at the Sandwich Islands - Stewart
Contrasted Soliloquies – Jane Taylor
On Letter Writing - Blackwood
Ginevra – Rogers poetry
The Whale ship – Prov. Lit. Journal
The Winged Worshipers - Sprague
Death at the Mirror – Diary of a Physican
Death of Absalom – Bible, 2 Samuel 18
Absalom – Willis poetry
The intemperate Husband - Sigourney
God’s First Temples – Bryant poetry
On Elocution and Reading – N.A. Review
Necessity of Education - Beecher
The Scriptures and the Savior - Rousseau
Washington’s Birthday – Webster
Nature and Revelation – Bible, Psalm 19
Niagara Falls - Howison
Niagara Falls – U.S. Review
Character of Wilberforce – Anonymous
Pleasure in Affliction – Akenside poetry
Make Way for Liberty – Montgomery poetry
Speech of Logan Chief of the Mingoes - Jefferson
The Alhambra by Moonlight - Irving
Portrait of a Patriarch - Addison
The End of All Perfection – Mrs. Sigourney
Rest for the Weary – Montgomery poetry
Character of Mr. Brougham -  Anonymous
Elevated Character of Woman – Carter
The Passions – Collins poetry
Modes of Writing - Montgomery
Joyous Devotion – Bible Psalm 148 
A Night Scene in Turkey – Byron
Criminality of Dueling - Nott
Character of Napoleon Bonaparte - Phillips
The Field of Waterloo – Lady Morgan
The Splendor of War - Chalmers
The Best of Classics - Grimke
The New Song – Bible Revelation 5
The Deluge – Bible Genesis 6
A Hebrew Tale – Mrs. Sigourney poetry
External Appearance of England – A.H. Everett
Vision of A Spirit – Bible Job 4 
Character of the Puritan Fathers of New England - Greenwood
Decisive Integrity - Wirt
On the Being of a God – Young
The Steam Boat on Trial -  Abbott
Paine’s Age of Reason – Erskine
Divine Providence – Bible Job 5 
The Righteous Never Forsaken – New York Spectator
Religion the only Basis of Society - Channing
Benevolence of the Supreme Being - Chalmers
Love of Applause - Hawes
Scripture Lesson – Bible Job 38
 
Ludicrous Account of English Taxes -  Brougham
Christ and the Blind Man – Bible John 9 
The Ocean – Anonymous poetry
The Horrors of War – Robert Hall
The Bible - Grimke
Tit for Tat Miss Edgeworth
Political Corruption - McDufie
The Blind Preacher - Wirt 
Apostrophe to Light – Milton poetry
Procrastination – Young
America – Phillips
Thirsting After Righteousness – Bible Psalm 42 
View from Mount Etna – London Encyc
Sublime Virtues Inconsistent with Infidelity - Robert Hall
The Alps – W. Gaylord Clark poetry
Parallel between Pope and Dryden - Johnson
Happy Consequences of American Independence – Maxcy
Satan and Death at the Gate of Hell - Milton
Evils of Dismemberment - Webster
No Excellence without Labor - Wirt
Thoughts in a Place of Public Worship – Hannah More
A Plea for Common Schools – Saml. Lewis.
Midnight Musings – Young
Omnipresence of God – Bible Psalm 139
Henry Martyn and Lord Byron – Miss Beecher
Byron – Pollok
Chesterfield and Paul -  Miss Beecher
Henry First after the death of His Son – Hemans poetry
Effects of Gambling – Timothy Flint
The Miser – Pollok poetry
True Wisdom – Bible Job 28 
The Wife – W. Irving
Duty of the American Orator - Grimke
The Patriotism of Western Literature – Dr. Drake
Rome – Byron poetry
Rebellion in Massachusetts State Prison - Buckingham
Prince Arthur – Shakespeare poetry
The Child’s Inquiry – Doane poetry
Christian Hymn of Triumph; from “The Martyr of Antioch” – Milman
Charles de Moor’s Remorse - Schiller
Value of Mathematics – E.D. Mansfield
Washing Day – Mrs. Hermans poetry
Capturing the Wild Horse – W. Irving
The Gods of the Heathen – Bible Psalm 115 
The Fall of Babylon – Jebb’s Sacred Lit poetry
Antony’s Oration over Caesar’s Dead Body - Shakespeare
Egyptian Mummies, Tombs, and Manners – Belzoni
Address to teh Mummy in Belzoni’s Exhibition, London – New Monthly Mag. poetry
On the Value of Studies – Lord Bacon
Natural Ties Among the Western States – Dr. Drake
The Venomous Worm – John Russell
The Better Land – Mrs. Hemans - poetry
Benefits of Literature – Lord Lyttleton
Thalaba among the Ruins of Babylon – Southey poetry
William Tell – Knowles poetry
The Vision of Mirza – Addison
The Dirge – Croly poetry
Ladies’ Headdresses – Spectator
Apostrophe to the Ocean - Byron
Reflections in Westminster Abbey - Addison
The Journey of a Day: A picture of Human Life – Dr. Johnson
Morning – Anonymous poetry
Woe to Ariel – Bible Isaiah 29 poetry 
The Proverbs of Solomon – Bible Proverb 10 poetry
 
Comfort Ye My People – Bible Isaiah 40 poetry 
The Celestial City – Bible, Revelation 19 
America – Nationl Hymn – Mason’s Sacred Harp
:Collapsing this long list as there is no request, start of a conversation, etc.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:03, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: McGuffey’s Fourth Reader – Mott’s Edition

message: It would be nice to have versions of the McGuffey readers written with other religions in mind. Why should Christianity (and Protestantism) be the only one? —  Rickyrab. Yada yada yada 18:54, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Idea

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Considering that the religious content is apparently a strong factor in its decline in popularity, could we get more detail on where/what it was in the discussions of reader content and changes between editions.
Also, it would probably be a good idea to check if the Readers were superseded by other phonics-based works or by works using the three-cueing/MSV/"whole language" methods promoted by Ken Goodman and Marie Clay in the 1960's, as changes in dominant learning theories may have been more important than text selection (as the different editions were changing their text selections, but would have more difficulty changing underlying teaching methods).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.39.61 (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The desire for... less overtly religious content" 

message: As an FYI, I am not understanding the section with a biography of William Holmes McGuffey because:
* His biography is covered in his article
* There's only one sentence with a citation, so the rest is most likely original research
Also, Alexander Hamilton McGuffey routes to this section, but there is no mention of who he is or what his role is in the McGuffey Readers.
That said, I am going to:
* Remove the McGuffey section (see Wikipedia:Content forking)
* See how much of this info is in the biography and perhaps expand that article
* Start an article for Alexander Hamilton McGuffey from a redirect
* Add a sentence or so about the roles of the father and son brothers in the creation of the reader
Any comments - ideas about this?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:00, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: edit–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: –CaroleHenson (talk) 06:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  McGuffey biography