Talk:Nasreddin

message: I'm moving the page to Nasrudin. The article body uses that name, and there doesn't seem to be any justification for using the Nasreddin variant since the claim from 2004 about Nasreddin being "more popular in Google" is now demonstrably untrue. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: To be fair, it was done with no discussion because the talk page had no activity... but I don't have a horse in this race, so I don't much care. Just as long as the article title and body use the same name, I don't care which spelling it is. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Title 

message: This article makes the ridiculous attempt to establish some kind of "real life" for a totally legendary person. Any claim to his alleged birthplace is just POV, as are any references to his alleged ethnic background, country of birth, etc. Just check the sources given in those paragraphs: they are totally unreliable, not a single scholastic work. Therefore, I have tagged the article. Please do not remove the tags without supporting these claims with REAL scholarly sources and not unreliable websites. Tajik (talk) 20:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual accuracy

message: Nasreddin was from Turkish ethnicity but that is impossible to write that here.
In fact it is impossible in Wikipedia to write to any famous Turkish person that he was of Turkish ancestry.
Wikipedia has changed into a huge anti-Turkish racist encyclopedia with mostly Greeks,Persians,Armenians and many others, editing articles related to Turkish culture and history. Every related article to Turkish subjects is filled with edits made by these hatefull person. Who have no real knowledge about Turkish culture but only want to make negative edits.
Is the question:
Why was he Turkish ? The question should be why should he not be Turkish?
Nasreddin lived in Anatolia which was  populated by Turkish speaking people at that time, his stories are in Turkish, he is famous in Turkey, he is a muslim, he is famous in Turkish culture, his grave is in Anatolia.
He can also be famous in many other cultures this does not mean he was from those cultures, it is obvious that there was cultural exchange.
With no source at all, claiming every famous Turk, to be of a different ethnicity is the standard procedure in Wikipedia.
The power of racism and prejudice.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonTiger23 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nasreddin was Turkish 

message: Can we please get some consensus on the spelling that we're going to be using for his name? It's silly to have the article title and body use different variants.  Given that my last attempt to fix this had the title reverted, this time I'll change the body. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 19:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling

message: According to İlhan Başgöz, his nationality is disputedİlhan Başgöz, Studies in Turkish folklore, in honor of Pertev N. Boratav, Indiana University, 1978, p. 215. ("Quelle est la nationalité de Nasreddin Hodja - est-il turc, avar, tatar, tadjik, persan ou ousbek? Plusieurs peuples d'Orient se disputent sa nationalité, parce qu'ils considerent qu'il leur appartient.")  And we must see :Category:Turkish people. It is said that "This category page lists notable citizens of the Republic of Turkey." 
===Sources===
:With this, and the Uzbek section, in mind, I have rewritten the lead and first section to reflect the multiple claims on his person. Such things often attract more attention than the Nasreddin tales themselves, so watch this space... --Annielogue (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Personally I'm not sure that he was a Turk, because of the case of Rumi. See you. Takabeg (talk) 08:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  See this academic source: Nasreddin was not a historic person but rather a "reflection" of the semi-legendary "Djuha" of Arabic and Persian literature. --Lysozym (talk) 09:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, that source notes that Nasreddin anecdotes were already popular in Turkey when they were combined with stories of Juha, and concludes that the Nasreddin tradition seems to be the result of two different corpora of stories. This is consistent with encyclopedic sources, cited in this article's paragraph about Juha, which indicate Nasreddin lore arose independently and later absorbed the older Juha lore.  I agree that Nasreddin was not a "historic person". There appears to be a stable consensus in reliable sources that if Nasreddin stories were originally inspired by an actual person, nothing definite is known about him. The subject of this article is Folklore, not Biography. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  P.S.– Thanks for linking that article: it has an excellent bibliography. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you can go ahead and we have to mention Juha much more. Because not only in Arabic-speaking countries, Judeo-Spanish and Kurdish editions are also connected with Juha's stories. Takabeg (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkish people ?

message: :With this, and the Uzbek section, in mind, I have rewritten the lead and first section to reflect the multiple claims on his person. Such things often attract more attention than the Nasreddin tales themselves, so watch this space... --Annielogue (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks. Personally I'm not sure that he was a Turk, because of the case of Rumi. See you. Takabeg (talk) 08:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  See this academic source: Nasreddin was not a historic person but rather a "reflection" of the semi-legendary "Djuha" of Arabic and Persian literature. --Lysozym (talk) 09:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Actually, that source notes that Nasreddin anecdotes were already popular in Turkey when they were combined with stories of Juha, and concludes that the Nasreddin tradition seems to be the result of two different corpora of stories. This is consistent with encyclopedic sources, cited in this article's paragraph about Juha, which indicate Nasreddin lore arose independently and later absorbed the older Juha lore.  I agree that Nasreddin was not a "historic person". There appears to be a stable consensus in reliable sources that if Nasreddin stories were originally inspired by an actual person, nothing definite is known about him. The subject of this article is Folklore, not Biography. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  P.S.– Thanks for linking that article: it has an excellent bibliography. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:20, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think you can go ahead and we have to mention Juha much more. Because not only in Arabic-speaking countries, Judeo-Spanish and Kurdish editions are also connected with Juha's stories. Takabeg (talk) 01:21, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: In the phrase "... it is claimed that within the tale there is usually also something to be learned"  the word "claim" seems to imply that there is some debate over whether most Nesreddin tales have a pedagogic nature, imparting some form of knowledge to the reader.  But there is no debate on this topic.  WjtWeston (talk) 01:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not much as POV, even considering WP:CLAIM, however could be a WP:COPYVIO issue. See my tweak. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 05:16, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

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message: I have read several books filled with Nasruddin jokes, and one book filled with discussions between Nasruddin and Timur Lenk when they were both in Samarkand. The style of the jokes seems to be consistent in both the jokes books and the book with discussions between Nasruddin and Timur Lenk, which makes it likely that there was a real person called Nasruddin, Mulla Nasruddin, Nasreddin, and he was in close contact with Timur Lenk in Samarkand. This connection between these two men seems to have been overlooked in both the wp articles about Nasreddin and Timur. Google for this expression  timur lenk nasruddin  and you will find 154,000 results in many languages. Roger491127 (talk) 13:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Link between Nasruddin and Timur Lenk

message: ""In gatherings, family meetings, and parties they tell each other stories about him that are called "latifa" of "afandi". i There are at least two collections of stories related to Nasriddin Afandi.""
It seems to me that there is some error here. Does it mean: "... called 'latifa' or 'afandi' ..."; or "... called 'latifa or afandi' ..."; or what? 
Then here is the little orphan 'i' - is that a relic of some previous amendment perhaps?
Dawright12 (talk) 10:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Uzbek Nasreddin Afandi

message: He's not always the antagonist of Sly Peter, sometimes they cooperate.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.121.162.145 (talk) 10:41, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Bulgarian folktales 

message: I had been under the impression that the opinion of Professor Mikail Bayram about the real-life identity and biography of the legendary Nasreddin is a minority view; and that most scholars consider the original inspiration for the folk character to be unknown or at best very uncertain.  Even if those theories have received somewhat more recognition than I am aware of (i.e. none), it seems to me that this article is, or ought to be, primarily about the folklore of the iconic character, rather than speculations about biography and politics. Therefore, the amount of coverage of the professor's theories in the article, and especially in the lead section, strikes me as undue emphasis on a conjectural historical footnote. ~ Ningauble (talk) 00:17, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue emphasis on biographical speculation 

message: The Arabic text does not read Nasruddin Hoja. It says Nasruddin Jahaa. Maybe somebody should fix it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.249.25.119 (talk) 22:38, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arabic Misspelling 

message: Please add the following. Nasreddin Hodja is the hero in the Swedish nobudgetfilm "Mullan i Grönköping". Here is a link to the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK4oGJ0I4TY
In this movie he lives as a refugee in Sweden when somebody wants to murder him. He heroically outwits the murderer, in a way which is in line with his character.
The movie was filmed in 2014, but "2015" is written in the movie, and it was first broadcast in 2016. Broadcast by multiple public access television stations in Sweden.
No, there is no web page related to the movie or to anyone of those involved. But Swedish newspapers wrote about it, which is uploaded.
213.113.112.240 (talk) 18:02, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hodja in movie 

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message: Why this article is using definite place of birth/place of death for a semi-legendery figure which many different cultures attribute as their own. I have visited Bukhara in Uzbekistan and they also have a memorial to him there, along with various place in Iran.
 It should be stated that his actual existence is disputed along with his supposed birth place; otherwise, Wikipedia is just pandering to Turkish nationalist which can be a dangerous thing. 188.113.245.251 (talk) 07:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seljuk/Turkish origin? 

message: It would be helpful to identify which names are used in which countries.
Also, it would be helpful to explain what his titles mean . . .
As well as the meanings of each story.
Paul R F
Is there a list of contents for each collection of stories. Some stories may be duplicated. 51.6.124.66 (talk) 19:03, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking names to countries, titles, meanings