Talk:Frances the Mute

message: "The cover is a direct reference to part of Pink Floyd's Publius Enigma riddle; in one image, a puzzle piece printed with the red-hooded men in cars (from their song "High Hopes") sits on a hill. It is unlikely that this was done intentionally by the band."
This makes no sense to me. How could the cover unintentionally be a direct reference? Optrirominiluikus (talk) 19:46, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The first paragraph 

message: The Something Awful review has been removed, with the editor claiming it's because SA is a humour site, not a music review site. As far as I'm concerned, that's a rubbish argument. The piece is quite clearly a review, and it seems to me that the editor was just offended by the prospect of a negative review. So I'm reinstating it. If the editor wants to provide a cohesive argument as to why the review shouldn't be included, then he can do so here. --Hn 07:22, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not horribly averse to including the link to the Something Awful review, but I'm sure you would agree that SA is not a professional music review site. See: here. --Dalkaen 15:40, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
::Something Awful writes music reviews as negative as possible in order to get over zelous fans to respond with hate mail which they could later use for another comedy update. Their reviews are not real nor professional.
:::Something Awful writes these reviews purely for humour. They aren't serious. That guy may not like the album, but the way he wrote the review was purely intended for humour.
It seems that "Yahoo Music" were inspired by senseless humour as well, when they came to the following contradictory conclusion:
"An incredibly accomplished record, a true testament to the band’s imagination, intellectual curiosity and outrageous musical talent.... Unfortunately, 'Frances The Mute' is also awful."
--lmaxmai (talk) 12:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Something Awful review 

message: Cassandra Gemini is over 30 minutes long, so the tracklist that the anonymous user keeps adding is impossible. Miranda That Ghost Isn't Holy Anymore is composed of multiple movements, yes, but so is Cygnus...Vismund Cygnus. They're not separated into different tracks, and Cassandra Gemini wouldn't have been either, but they had to to avoid the album being classified as an EP. --Dalkaen 22:43, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
:when i played FtM on windows media play it gave me an incorrect track list, where the widow was listed as track 7 or something. i knew it was wrong, but other people might not. could be the cause of the confusion. Nateji77 13:26, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: the track listing that I keep adding is the one listed on the CD that I have, as it appears when the disc is read. I know they split the cd up to avoid being screwed by the record company, but why not have the track list as it literally appears on the cd? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.1.220.130 (talk) 23:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tracklist dispute

message: The following information was littering this page, and had grown into a number of other character articles even though there's plenty of room to include any confirmed character information on this page, rather than making permanent stubs. Moved here to clean up the page (and L'Via L'Viaquez). -Silence 21:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed original research

message: I think the section where it says "Frances the Mute is the first album that Cedric and Omar have made sober." should be changed or taken out unless someone has some proof or a quote. 
everyone knows they do drugs they even claimed that they improvised
most of Acrobatic Tenement with ATD-I because they were so "loaded"
but i've also heard that they (cedric and omar) went clean after julio died im also looking out for the overall quality of wiki
:I've read the same, although I would say 'clean' not 'sober' - at least in the UK you can't use sober to mean free from drugs, which is what they are. Personally, I don't object to unreferenced material if I know it is true. Damiancorrigan 21:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Drug Use 

message: Does anyone have a reference for the idea that they would have been paid for an EP if it had only had 5 tracks? Damiancorrigan 22:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that this approach was also applied to the previous album, live album "Scabdates", which was and still is published by Universal, seems to confirm it. Both are lengthy albums, it thus seems fair that they made sure that they get paid accordingly. --lmaxmai (talk) 12:09, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Being paid for an EP?

message: It was inconsistent, on some pages A Missing Chromosome is included, on some pages it wasn't. It is debatable whether AMC should be included, but I have taken the despotic decision to include it. Damiancorrigan 22:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering it was only distributed to radio stations I have a hard time leaving it in the offical album chronology. Zopwx2 08:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought about that, but Wikipedia is not a buyers' guide. The release exists, with full artwork and everything. The problem is that the AmC has an album box, and it links to Frances and Scabdates - so if you go back from AMC and forward from Frances, you got to different albums. At least now you don't do that. What else would you suggest, removing the album box from the AMC page? Damiancorrigan 10:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll just emphasize the fact that it isn't available to the public in the AMC article to avoid any confusion. Zopwx2 02:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Album Chronology

message: "The title track was released with the double album vinyl as a free bonus 12-inch single, as well as being a b-side on the single release of "The Widow.""
^^As far as I know this is untrue. I own the triple vinyl version and it is just the album by itself. If this is a different version or pressing (I know there was a four LP Box set including the album and the Frances the mute single, maybe that's it) please specify.
:You're right dude, only the 4LP. edited accordingly.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.146.241.90 (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Frances the Mute With Vinyl?

message: This picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Enigmapuzzle.jpg) seems to directly relate to the cover art for this album. It is also by Storm Thorgerson, and it is represented as being part of his work with Pink Floyd. I do not know where the image comes from, but if it is a Pink Floyd-related composition, it surely predates this album. Any thoughts?  --- Stephen Goldmeier  |  Profile  |  Talk  |  (._.)  | 22:25, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: guess storm likes to recycle ideas. Zopwx2 02:43, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cover art 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Enigmapuzzle.jpg

message: The article says james ward was in the process of completing something at the time of his death but fails to specify what exactly. Also there's some references to the album being leaked by way of a vinyl version. If a vinyl version was released, then how would the album be leaked? It would be accessible. This article, and the first section in particular, need much clarification.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.125.15 (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The story is supposedly that ward was completing the story started out in the diary himself, although no one is sure how true this whole repo man story and everything that follows is. The vinyl version was not released either at the time I think. Someone got hold of the vinyl, ripped a digital version and leaked it. Zopwx2 (talk) 01:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  What was James Ward in the process of completing? 

message: Why does the Cassandra and Miranda pages need to be deleted, as far as stated, they aren't stubs or anything, so i vote they stay.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.180.92 (talk) 02:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: not deleted, just merged. There is no need for extra articles espeically if they weren't singles. Not to mention most of the content on those pages is original research or redundant information. Zopwx2 (talk) 19:35, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed deletion of pages 

message: I have never heard of Miles Davis not allowing his musicians to hear one another while recording. This goes against the whole idea of Jazz - spontaneous interaction through listening to one another. This may have been the case later in his career, but I cannot find any sources. The only thing I can find similar at all is that when Davis recorded "Kind of Blue," he refused to allow his sidemen to hear or read through any of the tunes before the session to keep their performances inspired and original. It seems that a source should be cited here, as this is the kind of thing that spreads misinformation and leads to this misinformation being cited as fact. Lopez may indeed have forced his musicians to play to a metronome in a way that invokes the spirit of Davis' restrictions, but I cannot find any source that states that Davis did it that same way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.211.141.191 (talk) 18:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Miles Davis Reference 

message: Frances the Mute's metacritic rating is 75, whereas De-loused in the Comatorium's rating is 82. Given the fact that the "Magnum Opus" part does not cite sources, I propose to change it to "although not as commercially successful as de-loused, it received mostly favorable reviews", or "received considerable critical praise," citing metacritic as a source. --Chilreu (talk) 19:03, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magnum Opus? 

message: The ratings box should not contain more than ten ratings, so I removed these to pare the list down.  I have posted them here so the references aren't lost when a reception section is written.
*Delusions of Adequacy (A-) link
*Drowned in Sound  link
*Paste Magazine  link
*Playlouder  link
*Rock Sound 
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thread_title:  Extra ratings 

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