Talk:Quadrophenia

message: *Where do we mention that they did this?  And sources need to be found, too. TheDavesr 22:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Phish]] covered it in its entirety

message: I believe that Townshend intended the term to mean punk in Wikitionary's 8th definition (a worthless person) but taken as a kind of point of pride.
Yeah, it didn't make sense to me either. I didn't think that punk was a real term until the Sex Pistols or the Ramones. My guess is that the term "punk" is used as a title to be proud of because there were people at that time who lived to shock or shame people. Being called "punk" was probably a compliment to those people.
This is actually incorrect and could do with being changed. The term was associated with garage bands of the late sixties and appear in creem magazine in that context in an article in 1971 i believe. --Neon white 01:23, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have discovered (since I wrote the note) the same information - it was a way to connect the new noise with the old. BUT - this is in reference to an epithet, not a musical style. --Fantailfan 22:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Autosigned is launched by adding ~~~~. Simples!--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 18:35, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  use of term "punk" before it referred to punk rock music 

message: Was part of "Bell Boy" sung by Keith Moon or was Roger just being silly? I'm certain I'd not heard the voice before, except maybe in "Tommy's Holiday Camp," on Tommy. If Moon did sing part of this song, can you tell me which part please? Much appreciated.
According to the Keith Moon biography 'Moon', by British author Tony Fletcher (published by Harper Collins in 1997), it is Keith Moon who sings on Bell Boy, specifically the lines 'I got a good job/and I'm newly born/you should see me dressed up in my uniform/I work in a hotel all gilt and flash/Remember the gaff where the doors we smashed'. 
Moon then continues, as the 'response' in the 'call-and-response' chorus 'I've got to get running now/keep the lip buttoned down/Carry the bloody baggage out/always running at someone's heel/you know how I feel/always running at someone's heel'
Then, changing his vocal delivery, he continues 'some nights I still sleep on the beach/remember when stars seemed in reach/then I wander in early to work/spend the day licking boots for my perks'
Roger takes over here, reprising the first verse 'a beach is a place a man can feel' etc.
Moon takes over with 'people often change/but when I look in your eyes/you could learn a lot from a life like mine/the secret to me isn't flown like a flag/I carry it behind this little badge that says'
Here the call-and-response chorus is reprised, with Moon responding as he did in the first chorus. 
To cross-examine, listen to Keith's frequent between-song comments on the expanded 'Live at Leeds'. Specifically, before the performance of "A Quick One", Townshend explains that Ivor the Engine Driver and the girl fornicate, which prompts Keith to query "Wassat Pete?...that's the trouble with always sitting here in the back..."etc. It's not a huge stretch from that voice to the voice of "Bell Boy". 
I hope you find this helpful.
The 1994 video "30 Years Of Maximum" R&B included a live performance of "Bell Boy" at Charlton Athletic Football Ground in 1974. Just before Keith's first line, he stops drumming, grabs Roger's vocal mike, and starts singing (Roger shares John's mike for the response vocal in the chorus). He hands it back before the reprise of the first verse and continues drumming. He then grabs Roger's mike again for his second vocal section. While Keith is singing, he makes a brief attempt to bang a few drums with one stick as and when he can.
I assume this was done to feature Keith Moon as a character, as other occasions that saw him take a vocal simply involved him having his own mike while behind the drums. (--Ritchie333 19:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bell Boy 

message: It is stated that a remastered CD was released in 1996. However I believe I have a version that pre-dates this. It is a AAD CD from Polydor bearing the catalogue number 831074-2. The front cover is different when compared to the remastered one. On the 1996 remastered CD (531917-2), the front cover has the word "Quadrophenia" on the top, bottom and sides. On the version I have, however, it only has it on the top. I can't actually seem to find the original date of the CD, so I'm not sure if it predates the remastered one. Is there anyone who knows what the date is? --cheese-cube 06:12, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earliest Quadrophenia CD 

message: I feel strongly that noting the tracklisting for multiple-LP albums released before the CD era is important. The length given to each side (20-25 minutes maximum) frequently dictated the length, choice and placement of songs. --Fantailfan 00:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Preserving LP track listing 

message: The article refers to Jimmy's parents finding his 'dope' (presumably cannabis). Are not 'blues' amphetamine pills as seen in the film? I've changed it in the meantime anyway.--ChrisJMoor 00:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jimmy had dope? 

message: Tommy, Who's Next, and Live at Leeds all have notes about remastered/re-released "deluxe editions" of the albums; has there been a re-release of Quadrophenia yet in the same vein?  As far as I know, cat. # MCAD2-11463 is the most recent release.  Anyone?  --Insomniak 00:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remastered/re-released editions? 

message: I would like to add a list of the characters in this rock opera, like in the Tommy article. I know the different characters aren't as central to the plot as are Jim's four personalities, but I have made a rough list.
* James "Jimmy" Michael Cooper
* The Shrink?
* The Preacher
* Mrs. Cooper (Jimmy's Mother)
* Mr. Cooper (Jimmy's Father)
* Steph? (Jimmy’s Girlfriend)
* The Godfather
* Dave? (Jimmy’s Best Friend)
* The Bell Boy/The Ace Face
Does anyone know the names of some of these people, or have a better list? Thanks for any comments. Jimmybob32 09:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding a list of characters 

message: Is it just me, or can anyone else not find any evidence that this song exists? It is not even on the track listing on this article. Zazaban (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a song, it's a theme. - Fractious Jell (talk) 00:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Is It Me?" 

message: What's the source for the "Story" section? --jpgordon::==( o ) 07:44, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The story" 

message: The album title is a play on quadraphonic sound, which was a recent invention at the time. The page "Quadrophenia liner notes," listed under External links, quotes Townshend: "The whole conception of Quadrophenia was geared to quadraphonic, but in a creative sort of way. I mean I wanted themes to sort of emerge from corners. So you start to get the sense of the fourness being literally speaker for speaker."
I think this should be added to the History section (maybe even at the beginning), but am not sure if the external link is sufficient or if a footnote also is required. Richard K. Carson (talk) 19:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quadraphonic 

message: Now, perceived wisdom (certainly from my book sources) is that backing tapes were used for most of Quadrophenias original '73 tour. However, I've managed to hear a bootleg of a FM radio broadcast (sssh, keep it quiet) from December 1973, and tapes are only on "I Am The Sea", "Bell Boy" and "Dr Jimmy" - the rest of the set is played straight with the typical jamming you might expect from a Who gig. So the question is, did that infamous Newcastle Odeon gig trash tapes so they had to be dropped, or did the band just get fed up of them and decided to give it up as a bad job? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:57, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backing tapes 

message: Townshend noted in 2009 that, rather than Jimmy’s personalities representing a Who member, he chose the personalities of each member to illustrate each of Jimmy’s four personalities, or "personality extremes" or mood swings.
The liner notes illustrate this concept as follows (names added):
*A tough guy, a helpless dancer. ("Helpless Dancer" – Roger Daltrey)
*A romantic, is it me for a moment? ("Is It Me?" – John Entwistle)
*A bloody lunatic, I'll even carry your bags. ("Bell Boy" – Keith Moon)
*A beggar, a hypocrite, love reign o'er me. ("Love Reign O'er Me" – Pete Townshend)
In addition to describing a personality/band member, the four descriptions refer to four musical themes that portray Jimmy's personalities in the opera: "Helpless Dancer", "Is It Me?", "Bell Boy", and "Love Reign O'er Me". The four themes (or "leitmotifs" as described by Townshend) are mixed together in both the title track (bridging "The Real Me" and "Cut My Hair"), and the penultimate track, "The Rock" (bridging "Doctor Jimmy" and "Love, Reign O'er Me"). The two pieces were the most musically complex pieces that Townshend ever wrote for The Who, combining all four themes into two six-minute instrumental medleys. The two pieces have neither a definite beginning nor end, as they begin with a fade-in from the previous track, starting with the theme of "Bell Boy" (Moon's theme). This is followed by the themes of "Is It Me?" (Entwistle's theme), "Helpless Dancer" (Daltrey's theme), and "Love, Reign O'er Me" (Townshend's theme). "Quadrophenia" fades into rain sound effects after the "Love Reign O'er Me" theme. "The Rock" however ends with a combination of the four different themes, using the "Bell Boy" theme as the chord sequence, the "Helpless Dancer" theme as the melody, the "Is It Me?" theme as a lead (played on guitar and synthesiser), and the keyboard part to "Love Reign O'er Me" as a countermelody. The whole song abruptly ends on a downbeat layered with the sound of thunder and descends into "Love Reign O'er Me" proper.
The four themes also surface on many other songs throughout the album; the most subtle example being when the "Helpless Dancer" theme appears on "Bell Boy" (the main song) played on synthesiser as a brief interlude. Some themes from other songs also make "surprise" reappearances here and there. These leitmotifs help give the work an impression of a cohesive unity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ritchie333 (talk • contribs) 10:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical structure (moved from article pending sourcing / improvement) 

message: Can somebody give me a reliable source for "The Real Me" being released as a single in 1974? I don't believe I have one. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Real Me" 

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message: As the article currently stands, a release date of 26 October 1973 is included, with the following supporting citation: Unterberger 2011, p. 232. However, I note that the Quadrophenia page on The Who's official website indicates a release date of November 1973. Is anyone able to supply the supporting text from the Unterberger 2011 citation? Otherwise, I'm inclined to change the date to reflect that given by The Who's official site. --Sixsevenfive (talk) 01:25, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  release date