Talk:1970 Dominicana de Aviación DC-9 crash

message: Please move this to a page that does not have question marks in the title.  RickK 08:47, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Unlike most air crash articles on Wikipedia, this one is completely unsourced. The article makes references to an investigation, but does not mention the flight number (which would obviously be in any investigative report). I have tagged this for sourcing and verification. --MCB 07:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? Flight number? 

message: 99% of other aircraft accident reports i've read on Wikipedia are extremely detailed and interesting to read. This one seems a little short on information about the contaminated fuel, what it was contaminated with, how it came to be used on the plane etc. It seems more interested in which celebrities were on the plane.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.61.131.150 (talk) 07:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seems brief ? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: So I translated the article from the Russian version and made a public draft out of it. Please help me. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dominicana_DC-9_air_disaster I will not submit the draft for review until it's satisfactory. I'm a member of the AATF just to let you know. Thank you in advance.Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:59, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  New version of the article (translated from Russian and it's still a community draft) 

message: We need more information on the flight number that must be reliable.  I have also found the ONLY image of the aircraft involved, except it's from a blog, which isn't very reliable source, but nevertheless here's the link, as it may have more information(unless you have already seen it previously): http://imullix.blogspot.com/2017/01/la-baja-accidentalidad-de-dominicana-de.html Still though, we need sources that are reliable! Tigerdude9 (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  More reliable information 

message: The reason is that Mayday Air Disasters have CLEARLY mentioned it in their twitter page here: https://twitter.com/aircrashmayday/status/831850589642485760?lang=en . It is also standard proceedure to name an airline accident by their flight number. Now, please leave the page to Dominicana Flight 603.
:If you bothered to read this page, this has been discussed before. It was discussed here too. There is no reliable source for the flight number and Mayday is not considered a reliable source. This page is being moved back and I am requesting move protection....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Per a request at my talk page, I've move protected the article. Any move should be via WP:RM. I would note that it accident is not covered by the Aviation Safety Network, so I am unable to confirm a flight number via that source. Maybe contemporary newspapers have the answer? There are free access newspapers listed at WP:SHIPS/R if an editor wants to do some digging. If a flight number can be verified, then the article should be moved to the flight number title. Mjroots (talk) 10:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  I have renamed the page to Dominicana Flight 603. 

message: This section is not about the page move but in the first sentence, it says that the also known as Dominicana DC-9 Santo Domingo air disaster but it doesn't refer it to a citation. Thus, I'd like a citation for it as I'm not entirely sure if it was also really known as that.  Username006 (talk) 18:17, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Googling the exact phrase "Dominicana DC-9 Santo Domingo air disaster" in English returned zero hits.  Likewise zero hits for a search omitting DC-9 from the phrase: "Dominicana Santo Domingo air disaster".  I suppose there might be a Spanish phrase that would match, but I don't know. Itsfullofstars (talk) 19:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I just now looked at the article itself (I should have done that first, right?) and noticed that the exact phrase in the article is "Dominicana de Aviación Santo Domingo DC-9 air disaster" so my google searches immediately above aren't relevant, are they?  Nevermind!  Itsfullofstars (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Please don't try to be sarcastic as I'm really not sure if this was really also called so. It can also be called as the Dominicana Carribean air disaster as well. I'm not sure if most people really called it so. This is the main reason why.  Username006 (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I was having a laugh at *myself*, I assure you, for being lazy and not doing the right google searches.  I apologize for any misreading of the tone of my post above.  I tend to be self-deprecating by nature, but how could you know that?  Answer: you couldn't.  In any case, my flippant response wasn't directed at you, but I can see how it could have misconstrued. By the way, I'm leaning towards renaming the article, which is why I've spent a lot of time trying to find the flight number.  I thought the timetable was 'good enough' evidence but others disagree, and that's fine.  I understand the concerns about it.  On a happier note, I did manage to find a flight number for another crash, and put it into that article with a cited primary source from the time of that crash.  I've requested a page move, as well.  Itsfullofstars (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&redir_esc=y&id=zkspAQAAIAAJ&dq=Dominicana+De+Aviacion+Flight+603&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=DO603
Can this be a possible source? Username006 (talk) 10:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Drop the stick now! That's a 1967 source which we can't even read. I saw the message you put up on your User page saying you don't plan on dropping this. Based on that and this I should report you....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am still trying to find sources and just because I found another one means that you will report me? Huh?  Username006 (talk) 10:23, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, you should download that image and see it for yourself Username006 (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It states that it is DO603 from Santo Domingo to San Juan. Also, don't try to unnecessarily push people to drop the stick. We are here to have a discussion and not an argument  Username006 (talk) 10:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: What download? How does a 1967 source say anything about a 1970 plane crash?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Time table? Username006 (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a timetable for your information Username006 (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Again, what download?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:43, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Download the image!!!!! Username006 (talk) 10:44, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you don't believe me Username006 (talk) 10:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  What do you think? Username006 (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: How does a 1967 source say anything about something that happened in 1970?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:25, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I just said that it is a timetable from 1967 Username006 (talk) 11:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For the third time, how does something written in 1967 prove something in 1970? FYI I am in the process of completing an ANI complaint....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:56, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: ANI filed here....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 12:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Because last time when the timetable was given, you said that it is from a later date and it should be from a date before and also not too old. That's why I gave you this one. This is not a report about the crash from 1970 but rather a timetable. Please try to understand. I would like others to see this as well. This is from a book. Username006 (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

text: My opinion, no a timetable from 1967 does not prove what the flight number of this flight was in 1970. Flight numbers change all the time. Anyway we should be referring to this incident by whatever common reliable references refer to it. Canterbury Tail talk 12:35, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dominicana Flight 603 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. Rough consensus to move to 1970 Dominicana de Aviación DC-9 crash (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 06:18, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Dominicana DC-9 air disaster →  – The current title is somewhat vague and not very consistent with other aviation accident articles (e.g. 1972 Adana Turkish Airlines DC-9 crash or 1969 Aswan Ilyushin Il-18 crash). On first glance, the current title may seem like a commonly used name, however, a quick search and the references given in the article say otherwise. Since no common name is used to describe this accident, we should follow the essay WP:AATF which states how an article should be named for accidents without a flight number which gives support to the proposed title. GalacticOrbits (talk) 09:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

text: Do we need the country in the article title? 1970 Dominicana de Aviación DC-9 crash would seem to be a better title, which I would support. Before anyone raises the flight number issue again, consensus was that the flight number was unverifiable. Until such time that it is verifiable, it is not open for discussion. Mjroots (talk) 11:11, 25 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also support 1970 Dominicana DC-9 crash.  While the airline's article is at Dominicana de Aviación (as disambiguation is needed, see WP:NATURAL), its WP:COMMONNAME is "Dominicana." 162 etc. (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the responses and apologize for the late reply. I was a bit carried away with the other titles mentioned above since both used the longer title with the placename but since this is not mentioned in the guidelines, yes, we can go ahead and remove the "Santo Domingo" from the proposed title. Uncertain about the removal of "de Aviación" from the title as it seems that the accident naming convention does keep it as seen in other disasters, even if it does follow(See Cubana de Aviación Flight 455, Intercontinental de Aviación Flight 256 or Mexicana de Aviación Flight 940). Feel free to leave your response below! GalacticOrbits (talk) 15:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll note that these airlines are commonly known as "Cubana", "Inter", and "Mexicana", respectively. 162 etc. (talk) 20:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 December 2023