Talk:Vestibular exam

message: The FUVEST model is probably the dominant format for most "vestibulares", but the article should mention alternative models as well. UNICAMP's Vestibular for example has no multiple-choice questions and, even in the second part, candidates are tested in all 7 core subjects (Math, Chemistry, Physics, Biology, History, Geography, and Portuguese), irrespective of their intended majors. 161.24.19.82 12:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vestibular Models

message: I removed this line from fourth paragraph:
"Minors are usually not allowed in the Brazilian University system, unless the student manages to enroll in a second university."
I removed it for two reasons: first, the second part doesn't make sense. Second, I'm a minor and I'm in college (UFRJ).
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"Minor" is opposed to "Major" in USA's universities/colleges. Generally speaking, "major" is the core area of study whereas "minor" is a complementary area, not studied in depth. Such distinction has nothing to do with age.
In spite of some very recent proposals, Brazilian universities do not allow students to take a minor besides their major. If a given student manages to enroll in a second university, (s)he will get two majors, not a major and a minor.Phulvius 17:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minors not allowed 

message: To say "Brazil's most renowned vestibular exam" is FUVEST is bias and shouldn't be used in a general article like this. The word "most" is just too strong to be used without any justification or references. Therefore I deleted the "most" word.
Berpasan 07:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Biased - Probably created by someone from USP 

message: Generally speaking, European and US universities do not recognize a pass in the Brazilian vestibular as a sufficient qualification for enrollment in their undergraduate bachelor's degree courses. 
As far as European universities are concerned, that actually makes sense considering that a secondary school education for college-bound students in countries like England, France or Germany  normally goes far beyond what is usually taught at the Brazilian "ensino médio". For example, typical secondary school math in a British A-level course or in the International Baccalaureate Diploma program includes differential and integral calculus (for single variable, real-valued functions), vectors and analytic geometry in 3-D, sequences and series of real numbers, and probably elementary differential equations and an introduction to linear algebra. In Brazil by contrast, those topics would be studied (by engineering, math or physics/chemistry majors) only in the first or second semesters of the freshman year in college. 
In the case of the US though, the comparison is not that straightforward. On one hand, a regular American High School education tends to be actually of a lower standard than the syllabus tested in the Brazilian Vestibular. However, the brightest Ivy-bound  students in private schools or affluent public schools  in the US are likely  to take several Advanced Placement classes  in addition to the regular minimum High School curriculum. The AP program in turn tends to cover material at a level that is comparable to that required by European school certificates, including for example single-variable calculus and physics with calculus. 
In any case, lack of familiarity with international school qualifications prompts admission officials in US  universities to require standardized American tests from all applicants, including the SAT reasoning test (comparable perhaps to the Brazilian ENEM at best), and SAT subject tests (comparable perhaps to the Brazilian Vestibular, but maybe not as difficult). AP exams (comparable perhaps  to British A-levels, the German Abitur or the French BAC) are not strictly required, but are a plus for applicants in the most competitive colleges (top Ivies like Harvard/Yale/Princeton, MIT, Caltech, etc.) 200.177.49.248 02:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: How does the Vestibular compare to other international school qualifications ? 

message: This article needs a major update to reflect the introduction of the ENEM as a national entrance exam in the federal universities. 161.24.19.112 (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for Update