Talk:Intertextuality

message: Aren't these concepts closely related? B4thWall could be mentioned here if that is the case. Just thinking. 134.106.199.15  —Preceding comment was added at 17:10, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Intertextuality vs Breaking the fourth wall

message: Contains nothing but a quotation and a link.  Redirect to Kristeva.  RickK 23:53, Aug 8, 2004 (UTC)
* Keep. Important concept that wouldn't be illuminated by a link to Julia Kristeva. I agree that it needs work; I'll start by adding some "see also" links. Wikisux 00:36, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: From [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion|Votes for deletion]]

message: Intertextuality isn't universally agreed to be some particular thing, and it isn't universally agreed what role (if any) it should play in analysis.  I'm mostly familiar with criticism of the term, but it seemed weird to add a "Criticisms" section when there was hardly anything from the "Pro" side in the first place, so I'm holding off on that until hopefully someone with a more favorable view of intertextuality adds some citations/explanations of the "Pro" side.  For future reference, this is a pretty good article expounding the viewpoint that it is an ill-defined and incoherent term:
*William Irwin (2004).  Against intertextuality.  Philosophy and Literature 28(2): 227-242.  (Online abstract.)
--Delirium 21:05, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  needs some more contextualization (ironically enough) 

message: Added a bit of balance in pop culture section along with extra examples.
Frelaras 21:57, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extra examples in pop culture section 

message: A Hypertext as can be found in the internet is NOT the same as a hypertext in the field of transtextuality. will take care of it as soon as i find the time.
The above unsigned comment was posted by 194.95.210.197 at 10:19, 29 November 2006 194.95.210.197
I moved this comment from the "From Wikipedia:Votes for deletion", since it doesn't seem to be from the deletion discussion.
On the substance of the comment: It's true that "hypertext" means something differently (namely, a hypertext is one that refers to another text in a way other than commentary, according to Gennette). However, it's probably also true that some critics have considered internet hypertextuality as intertextual, although I can't think of any references.
Hickoryhillster 01:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hypertext suffers from almost as vague a definition as intertextuality does, so it's not surprising that there'd be disagreement or confusion in that regard... the relationship of two ill-defined terms is bound to be ill-defined. :)  Here's a paper that surveys some of the historical and often conflicting definitions of "hypertext" (it's not solely a survey paper, but it includes a good survey nonetheless). --Delirium 15:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hypertext

message: While the article mentions that there are many different views of what intertextuality is, there is no delineation between those various views beyond this mention.  For a better article I suggest that the different definitions of intertextuality be recognized along with its specific movement or prime user. 64.22.242.241 01:03, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differentiation of Intertextualities 

message: *The entire "Intertextuality in pop culture" section is (or was, more accurately) totally unreferenced and thus is WP:OR that violates WP:V. 
* Even more unforgivable/laughable, the editors of this section have no clue as to the difference between intextuality and allusion. The examples given are uniformly the latter; they do not even belong in this article. Ling.Nut (talk) 08:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  rmv "Intertextuality in pop culture"  section 

message: The term "history of intertextuality" is a rather inflated title. All this section has by way of history is a discussion of intertextuality in the bible, then an unrelated section on plagiarism, using only one example. A "history of intertextuality" has to establish that the devise was first used in the Bible (something the writer tacitly avoids), and then discuss its various uses in different times, since, and possibly before. Otherwise, "Examples" is just enough.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.97.1.128 (talk) 05:43, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples and history of intertextuality 

message: I personally do not have the time, but anyone interested in making this thread a bit more useful should check the following recent scholarly monographs:
Mary Orr's Intertextuality: Debates and Contexts: http://www.worldcat.org/title/intertextuality-debates-and-contexts/oclc/51477027&referer=brief_results
and Marko Juvan's History and Poetics of Intertextuality: http://www.worldcat.org/title/history-and-poetics-of-intertextuality/oclc/261176641&referer=brief_results
155.135.55.233 (talk) 00:56, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some theoretical texts that will help in expanding this page 

message: Researching this topic I stumbled across Georgetown U's "Narrative" wiki, which has a very complete bibliography on Intertextuality. I did not think it correct to swipe the contents altogether and don't have the time right now to work on the page, so I wanted to include it as a placeholder for future contributions: http://narrative.georgetown.edu/wiki/index.php/Intertextuality. Wichitalineman (talk) 15:19, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  An external wiki page with thorough bibliography directly on topic 

message: Hi, everyone! Just a heads up -- I'll be working on this article for the next few weeks. I'm planning on changing some of the language to read more like a Wikipedia article rather than an essay. Let me know if you have other ideas! Kschmick (talk) 01:50, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Class project

message: I reordered most of the content and combined sections that seemed to overlap. Hopefully, the layout feels a bit more logical now. Here's the old layout if anyone is curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intertextuality&oldid=822578179 Kschmick (talk) 01:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Large restructure 

message: Today I happened to look up a quotation from Kristeva's book:  I noticed that a later quotation in the article refers to this same page in Desire in Language, but that the quotation does not actually appear on that page. The quotation is "living hell of hell on earth" and the citation is simply, "Kristeva, 66". Perhaps it's a different Kristeva piece, but Googling around a bit I could not find it. So, did Kristeva actually write "living hell of hell on earth" in Desire in Language? --Jeremy Butler (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did Kristeva write "living hell of hell on earth"? 

message: Earlier today I proposed some substantial additions to the Intertextuality page to give clearer presence to the writing studies approach to this topic which is distinctly different than the literary studies approach which is largely presented here. Mr. Ollie (automated review) pulled the proposed changes and asked for review articles and no self-citation.  This latter is difficult as I am myself editor and or author of the major review pieces on this subject and am also editor of the volume in which some of the seminal articles appeared.  I will propose another revision to try to remedy some of the difficulties, but I need to explain my choices.  i would also like a  of this next version, as some self-citation is inevitable.
I did not contest any existing statements, though I did move a few sentences for coherence. Rather I added a few sentences at the beginning and then added a new section in the bottom half labelled "Writing Studies"  In the top section there were no self-citations, and the references were to classic works of Bakhtin and Volosinov. I will replace these with xrefs to the Wikipedia pages for these authors.  I will make these top section edits as one edit.
As a separate edit I will make a slimmed down version of the Writing Studies section.  I will remove all the mentions on which I was editor, though this would mean removing some key articles.  But I will need to keep one citation as warrant for a key statement in the lead sentence.  As this is a review article,  it would hard to support this point without the article. The alternative would be to leave the claim uncited, which I am willing to do.
While we are discussing this I would like to ask you about a more overarching matter.  As I am sole editor of the Handbook of Research on Writing: History, Society, School, Individual, Text. (Erlbaum/ Routledge, 2008).  As it would be difficult for me to contribute as an area expert without relying on this volume (it covers many topics not covered in more narrowly focused handbooks on writing), I need guidance on how to proceed.
Methodical 22:49, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Writing Studies approach to Intertextuality 

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Regards,  Spintendo  01:34, 18 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Reply 17-AUG-2019