Talk:Land reform

message: We'll need to make the distinction between land reform and Land rights.
Some information on land rights see the links on the discussion page--nixie 08:16, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Land Reform/Land Rights

message: Plan Zamora in Venezuela seems to focus on land that is owned by the government or currently lying fallow.  This runs counter to the definition of land reform we have in the lead paragraph, where the two examples are both of land that is under use.   More on Plan Zamora from Global Exchange and Narco News (two of the first google hits).
The government is a large land owner too- the definitation in the lead is a bit narrow. It really should say that land reform is the redistribution of public or privately held land for use by small farms and so on --nixie 00:44, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  land reform in venezuela 

message: I believe there is an urban anaolgue to this that could get an article and should be linked to, but I don't know the term and don't know if we have an article. Under French law, and probably under some others, there is apparently a statute intended to prevent real-estate speculators from hoarding empty apartments and allows the government (I think at the city level) to intervene and expropriate the property. If anyone knows anything about it, I'd appreciate it. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:06, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)
Here are some things I could come up with: 
*There is a process called restitution which covers the expropriation of property by the for a price, this article covers some detail . It seems to be realtively common in former communist states . Resitituion isn't covered in the Property law article.
*In the early part of the 20th century the French instituted a system of land development planning whereby the national government coordinated and planned land-use and development in consultation with local government. It grouped land for similar purposes - agriculture, housing, wooded reserves, conservation of existing open spaces. This planning system was modelled on Baron Haussmann's famous restructuring of Paris between 1853 and 1869. It was a system much admired and imitated throughout Europe. The government had the power to acquire land cheaply for public purposes, including housing. There were taxes on unearned improvements in land value .
*In some American states there are laws that make it possible to force the sale of vacant urban property .--nixie 08:11, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Urban analogue

message: or "every man's right" mainly include the rights to
- trespass  on land property of anyone is always allowed, if not causing clear harm to the property owner
- hovewer, not too close to the house, kitchen window of that property owner
- to pick berries, mushrooms, even some trees if it is not "common sense" that the property owner has the property rights to them, uses the rights somewhat regularly.
- however, arranging tourist and "survivor"-style for-profit taxable activities on the land property of others is still something to be fully solved in the courts.
Squatting is too legally free, almost everywhere (except directly under the kitchen window) although the ancient scandinavian legal and linguistic definition of squatting is different.
However, property rights, the right to tax and squat, was a traditional problem already before the medieval times.
:I think you are mistaken. The rights given by Allemannsretten are only valid for "utmark" (typically non-inhabited, not cultivated land), not "innmark" (the opposite). This makes your claim that "it's okay to trespass on private land as long as it's not under the kitchen window" somewhat absurd. Read http://www.dirnat.no/wbch3.exe?p=1513 --Nnp 08:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandinavian squatting laws 

message: ------------------------------------------
- If you find your neighbor's reindeer on your seasonally agreed on property, when your reindeer has the agreed rights of it.
- kill it, but do not eat it, leave it as a sign for your neighbor, that he should watch better after his lost, maybe hungry, reindeer.
- if you are really hungry, please feel free to eat it.
- wait until the youngest reindeer are old enough to figure out if they should be killed or not.
- do not start any major reindeer war, try to negotiate a new solution. unsigned comment
:The above text is nonsense. The reindeer herding is organized into paliskunta collectives, which take care of herding activities in their area on behalf of the owners. Each reindeer is earmarked to show its proper owner and foals are given the earmark of the female which has born them in the herdings that take place twice a year. Rest of the time the reindeer are free in the wild. It is the duty of every reindeer owner to belong in the paliskunta of their place of domicile. Only inhabitants of the reindeer herding area are allowed to own reindeer. The reindeer owners pay for their paliskuntas for the taking care of the reindeer. 
:The question about the right of the Sami to the state owned land in Lapland is an entirely different thing, however. The question is juridically and morally complicated and the above scribbling most likely tries to address some aspect of it. --MPorciusCato 13:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish Saame property and land rights 

message: There seems to be an error in the sentence: "This has ensured an almost life long loyalty from the farmers and the communists have been in power ever since."  The page List_of_political_parties_in_India states that the India Congress Party (145 seats) and the Bharatiya Janata Party (138 seats) both have more seats in parliament than the Indian Communist Party (Marxist) which has only 43 seats.  I hope someone can check into the accuracy of this and correct the statement regarding "the communists have been in power ever since" to accurately reflect present political power in India. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.206.117.184 (talk • contribs) 13 Jan 2006.
: The reference is specific to West Bengal which, to the best of my knowledge, remains Communist. If you think it is unclear that this is specific to West Bengal, feel free to suggest another wording. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Asia: India 

message: Cut from the lead paragraph: "The philosophical princip of any land reform is 'the possession of land to whom who cultivate it'." At the very least: "princip" ==> "principle" and "whom who" ==> "those who", or something like it. But, more importantly, I wonder if that can really be said to be the principle behind all land reforms. Some land reforms have been collectivizations, taking land out of the proprietorship of supposedly inefficient smallholders. -- Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut, but open to discussion 

message: I think it would be a good idea to merge Agrarian Reform into this article. What does everybody else think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Takethemud (talk • contribs) 11 April 2006.
: Agrarian reform is the broader term. Right now it is a stub. I'd rather see it expanded than merged, though I won't scream if there is consensus the other way, just so long as it is understood that this article must then ultimately cover that broader meaning. - Jmabel | Talk 04:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. My concern is that persons looking for information about agrarian reform might not be able to find what they are looking for if they do not also look up land reform. takethemud 16:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Land reform is reasonably prominently linked in the Agrarian reform article. Maybe do something to make it yet more prominent? - Jmabel | Talk 01:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion About Merger 

message: This edit with no citation says, with reference to Ho Chi Minh's land reform "at a cost of tens of thousands of lives". Given the continual fighting in Vietnam in the period, and the difficulty of working out the net effects of any given policy in those circumstances, I would doubt that this can be objectively known either way, tens of thousands being not many against such a background. I am particularly suspicious of a totally uncited claim like this. Does anyone have something citable on this? Otherwise I think it should be removed. - Jmabel | Talk 06:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been 12 days, no response, I am removing. - Jmabel | Talk 06:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The tens of thousands are modest estimates made by the communist government themselves.  http://dangcongsan.vn/details.asp?topic=2&subtopic=5&leader_topic=79&id=BT1060374012 DHN 04:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vague swipe at Ho Chi Minh 

message: Obviously it isn't "reform" to those who are having their property stolen. The entry is an example of "loaded", propagandist phrase- terminology with built-in POV that Wikipedia should avoid. --Mike18xx 07:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Reform is not always about stealing. Kenya managed to pass white-owned farms to black ownership, with white farmers getting compensation. South Africa is addressing this as well. It needs its own article. Wizzy…☎ 07:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If a mugger swipes your wallet with $100 inside, then peels out a twenty for "compensation", is he still a thief?  Of course he is.--Mike18xx 08:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My parents were happy with the price paid for their farm in Kenya.Wizzy…☎ 09:15, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Did they have a choice to refuse?'---Mike18xx 11:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably not - I don't know. They wanted to leave. Wizzy…☎ 11:36, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Reform", according to ''whom''?

message: What has the new link reference for Kenya have to do with Kenya land reform ? It discusses South Africa exclusively. And Kenyatta was dead in 2004.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikiwizzy (talk • contribs) .
:No answer from Mike18xx - I am putting in another link. Wizzy…☎ 08:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kenya reversion

message: PRC land law hasn't lead to landless peasants or large rural land lords.
Roadrunner 19:13, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed PRC information 

message: There are two references sections. They should be merged. I would not do merging because I do not know how I can merge them in beautiful style. (sorry) Please merge them.Penpen0216 16:21, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  two references sections should be merged 

message: Native American nations are technically separate entities out side of the federal government’s jurisdiction and therefore should have their own separate bullet, Native American Nations.  
--J intela 03:21, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Nations 

message: should thier be something in their about land restitution and the break up of collectives after the fall of cummunism --J intela 05:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collectives 

message: This entire article is very lacking in sources, and I have tagged it accordingly. I'll give anyone interested in adding sources at least a week before I come back and start removing unsourced claims. --Explodicle (T/C) 14:45, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sourcing 

message: The Che Guevara quote just got removed for the second time. I think that quoting Che Guevara in this article (or GWB in democracy) might be appropriate, considering that both people were a significant influence on the topic regardless of whether or not they were nice guys or a "genocidal assholes". On the other hand, only quoting Che at the top of a list and no one else might give him undue weight. Does anyone else have an opinion about this? --Explodicle (T/C) 02:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The quote is cited, relevant, and appropriate. Per the IP's question on George Bush - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. As for this quote and article, as head of the Agrarian reform program in Cuba, Guevara would be more than appropriate to quote on the topic.   Redthoreau (talk)RT 06:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Che Guevara quote 

message: In reviewing the first three sections of the article, I think, in addition to adding more citations, it may be useful to add some additional structure to Land reform, land ownership and tenure, and arguments for and against land reform. As they are written now, these sections reflect the more controversial aspects of land reform. While such aspects should not be ignored, adding some nuances to the issue might be useful as well (such as the earlier suggestion on the talk page to i.e. add a section for "Land reform for poverty alleviation and food security." Also, given the incredibly varied nature of land ownership and tenure, I think an introduction to the broader ideas of this issue (i.e. formal vs. informal land rights, customary vs. statutory land laws) may provide useful before listing the specific examples that are offered in this section. Some additional structure to the arguments for and against land reform (as well as some additional content on arguments in favor of reform) would also strengthen this section further. Does anyone have any additional comments/suggestions? I'll plan make a few adjustments over the next few days and will place particular emphasis on adding citations as well.Kcsl (talk) 03:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Arguments sections/articles are lame. Try to keep it objective, like "politics of land reform"; "economics of land reform"; etc. Savidan 04:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits to First Three Sections 

message: Land legislature @ the Government of Ceylon and the transitions to the current Government of Sri Lanka
Wednesday, 03rd January 2012
The administrative provisions for the land use corresponding to the land legislature enacted
The administrative provisions for the enactment of the land legislature would hold the transitions in the ownership of the holdings,the issues and the additions in the number of holdings @ a time and the clearnace of wasteland for the defined land use practices including slots extended to the food networks in the climatic zones.
The administrative provisions are also held for the extent in the forest clearance per calendar year for defined uses and the subsequent reforestation or replanting.
The administrative provisions for the land use are also held under the strategies for town and country planning @ a time. The tasks in the work plans listed under the town and country planning @ a time are also held for the goals and the performance including the feasible options @ reforestation or replanting.
The adoptations in the land legislature for the individual users -
The land legislature for the individual uses pertaining to the uses of the forest resources are held in the specific permits validated per the land legislature and the provisions there in. The land legislature for the use of the slots for the seasonal cropping also would be considered for the provisions extended in the crops and the cropping systems compatible or defined as per the stipulations for the crops in the specific geographical locis or as per the stipulations for the crops in the specific climatic zones.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by K Maheswaran (talk • contribs) 23:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Land legislature @ the Government of Ceylon and the transitions to the current Government of Sri Lanka 

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thread_title:  Japan 

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