Talk:Greece–Serbia relations

message: How come everyone can write a comment here and I can't? Why don't you let me write the truth about Srebrenica? Is it forbidden for Bosnians to write their comments here or something? It shouldn't be, since you're mentioning my country in this article, and you're lying about it. Stop deleting my comments!!!
Every time someone writes the truth about Srebrenica or about Bosnia, you delete it. That's because you don't want people to know the truth. You're only showing it from the Serbian perspective.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.146.179.105 (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: This article is real crappy; yet, it may be saved renaming it Serbian-Greek relations.--Aldux 16:11, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: renaming

message: Would it be of any usefulness to mention George Kastriotis (Skanderbeg) in this article?  His father was Greek and his mother was Serbian, even though he is the greatest Albanian hero...Elikarag (talk) 19:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I doubt mentioning him would be useful.  Regardless of his ancestry or his personal ethno-national identity (both of which are contested), Albanians seem to be the only ones who celebrate him as a national hero (irrespective of how strong his alleged Albanian identity was).  I know that cases have been made about him being of Greek, Serb, or Greek-Serbian background but neither Serbs nor Greeks celebrate him.  (Furthermore, although it is certain that he was brought up a Muslim after becoming a hostage to the Turks, his later religious loyalty is unknown -- as far as I know -- with conflicting reports of him being Catholic or Orthodox; it goes without saying that he would not have been considered to be a Greek/Serb either by the standards of his time or today's standards if he was not Orthodox.) Given the high incidence of Serbs and Greeks marrying, there are many notable individuals of both Greek and Serb ancestry, from medieval times up to today, who would be much better candidates. I suggest we rely on such figures. Critias (talk) 23:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: George Kastriotis

message: Serbian-Greek friendship → Serbian-Greek relations — Wikipedia Naming conventions —Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 23:59, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I stated in my edit summary (or tried to, since most of it was cut), "All of the points made at Talk:Serbian-Greek_relations#Serbian-Greek_Friendship_to_Serbian-Greek_Relations were completely ignored by the unilateral change of name to "Serbian-Greek relations"; please see discussion page before drastically altering this article (especially if you are a new editor to this article) as such major changes (which require drastic content alterations) cannot be made on a whim or without mass consensus". Critias (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Rather, delete and rewrite Serbian-Greek relations, including the late-nineteenth century competing claims over Macedonia, the full history of 1913, and at least link to Greek-Yugoslav relations for the division during the Cold War. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

text: An NPOV name should have an NPOV article. This isn't it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Back up your claims or don't make them as without sources it's just a POV pushing.--Avala (talk) 16:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about the friendship between Greece and Serbia, its original title. Do you contend that is all of Greco-Serbian relations? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Rather, delete and rewrite Serbian-Greek relations, including the late-nineteenth century competing claims over Macedonia, the full history of 1913, and at least link to Greek-Yugoslav relations for the division during the Cold War. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 14:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Note that every other article uses "relations":
Heroeswithmetaphors (talk) 00:12, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: An NPOV name should have an NPOV article. This isn't it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:36, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Back up your claims or don't make them as without sources it's just a POV pushing.--Avala (talk) 16:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is about the friendship between Greece and Serbia, its original title. Do you contend that is all of Greco-Serbian relations? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: This article is rather one-sided: it only shows the "friendship" between Serbs and Greek, but it fails to say anything about the wars between the Serbian states (Duklja, etc) and the Byzantine Empire. I'm just mentioning this here, hoping there's someone who knows better mediaeval Balkans history. :-) bogdan (talk) 15:32, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the original title at work still. Yes, it is. I have tagged accordingly; it should serve as an incentive to finish converting the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:12, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Nonsense. At least after 1204, what remained of Byzantium was pretty much "Greek" in the modern sense. Even the Byzantines themselves gradually came to apply the term "Hellenes" to themselves, and were usually referred to as "Greeks" by their neighbours. Byzantium never became a monolithically single-nation state, but "Romans" or rather "Rhomaioi" by this time designates the Byzantine Greeks exclusively. Albanians, Serbs, Bulgarians, Turks, Vlachs etc settled in Byzantine territory are always mentioned as such, not as "Romans". Constantine   ✍  08:57, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Serbian-Byzantine wars 

message: Can User:Bogdangiusca actually explain what the intro is POV advancing? El Greco(talk) 01:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no neutrality issue (especially since this article is about Serb-Greek friendship and not bilateral relations between the Greek and Serbian states) and the aforementioned individual will likely not bother engaging you in intellectual discourse as he has completely ignored my messages (even when I explicitly asked him to see Talk:Serbian-Greek_relations#Serbian-Greek_Friendship_to_Serbian-Greek_Relations) and, instead, proceeded to vandalize the article by deleting entire well-sourced paragraphs.  I believe we can no longer assume good faith on his behalf anymore and should question his motives and agenda. Critias (talk) 17:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Look again at the title:  this article is about "Serbian-Greek relations", that is, about the bilateral relationship. If you want to move it back, see Wikipedia:Requested moves, but unless it's moved back, the article is about the relations and it should be written using a NPOV style. bogdan (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is only like that because you have repeatedly vandalized it to remain that way (while ignoring all discussion on this page), something that more than one editor has pointed out.  Unless someone can refute the reasons I've given for it to remain in its original form (i.e. Serb-Greek friendship), it should be reverted.  In fact, I would say that until those points can be refuted, it should remain in the original format since the name change was made unilaterally without discussion, in violation of Wikipedia guidelines by editors who misinterpreted it as a bilateral relations page due to the fact that they had never edited the page before (and may have never even bothered to read the article, I'm afraid). Critias (talk) 21:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

text: I added a bit about the wars between the Greeks and Serbs. So it can't be an article about a friendship if it talks about the wars. :P bogdan (talk) 17:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV intro? 

message: In the map, on the beginning of the article, which colors the 2 countries, Greece and Serbia, the big islands in Eastern Aegean Sea, such as Lesbos and Rhodes, are not colored as green (Greek territory). 5 Greek Islands are shown as Turkish, and 1 Turkish Island is shown as Greek. Can someone fix this error? Other than that, the map looks ok to me. --85.75.156.234 (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well spotted, I nominated it for deletion. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 08:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The map is fine now, fixed by Cplakidas. Macedonian, a Greek (talk) 10:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Territorial errors on the Greece-Serbia map - Isles of Rhodes and Lesbos, not part of Greece?!

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message: per WP:ONUS if you wish to change these figures you need to provide a reliable source. What other Wikipedia articles say has no bearing. You need to source it appropriately herePipsally (talk) 19:04, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: All you need to do is add sources properly. And not edit war when people ask you to do so.Pipsally (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not likewise, because all I've done is revert your unsourced changes to the existing consensus version. Please go and read WP:ONUS before you edit further, especially in the Balkan articles. And next time you want to make a change that is reverted observe WP:BRD properly.Pipsally (talk) 20:26, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures