Talk:National Council of Churches/Archive 1

message: This part at best poorly worded and possibly wrong: "It was later determined that the Antiochian Church left because of disagreements with its sister communions over issues of human sexuality." I don't think you can call the other members to the NCC "sister" communions if they are not Orthodox. I would avoid the brother/sister analogy between member churches. It it very confusing. The sentence sounds like it means there is a disagreement between Antioch and other Orthodox churches.
Here is the exact statement: “Unfortunately, the NCC USA started to adopt an agenda and positioning that appeared to depart from the primary purpose of spreading and witnessing the gospel of Jesus Christ,” Father George Kevorkian, Assistant to Metropolitan Philip Saliba - the denomination's senior cleric – told the Christian Post in early August. “It seems to have taken a turn toward political positioning.” from http://www.christianpost.com/article/20050930/3876_NCC_Speaks_Out_About_Withdrawal_of_Orthodox_Church.htm and this should probably be used instead.
24.205.66.2 12:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for finding this. Article corrected. Lewis Collard 16:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: You could document statements, rather than merely calling them "outrageous right-wing attacks". I could call your approach of deleting a whole load of criticism (which is NOT limited to "right-wingers", theological conservatives, whatever, but you removed that too) could just as easily be called "left-wing whitewashing", and I'd be even more correct in doing so. I've repaired a bunch of your edits, as explained below (or will be shortly). Also, sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) so I don't have to. With love, Lewis Collard 03:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: And in addition, use edit summaries. I usually treat removal of huge chunks of text as vandalism. Lewis Collard 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Antiochian church

message: I've changed the text in a bunch of places following changes from [User:65.219.253.17|65.219.253.17]]:
* the section named "Public Witness" has been un-renamed to "political activities". This is an objective summary of what such activities are. "Public Witness" is a value judgment that is not appropriate.
* A short summary of criticism of the RSV and NRSV has been restored, though in a different form. Let's not pretend that the RSV and NRSV are less controversial than they actually are.
* Inexplicitly, the text "Some evangelicals, fundamentalists" was changed to eliminate the former group. This has been restored to the previous version. (Nice try at a cheap shot at the NCC's critics.) 
The above was too long to include in an edit summary. Other changes have been given one. Lewis Collard 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Explanation for recent changes

message: The NCC hsa become such a political body (esp with the hiring of a former Congressman as its President -- Republican or Democrat would do this) that it is impossible for the article to not go into politics, but I'm going to try and remove some of the liberal/conservative tags where they seem gratuitous. Also, the article really lacks some specificity such as just referring to the Antioch church and not specifying it as Orthodox, and not mentioning why the NCC makes decisions based on unanimity (a recent invention pushed by the Orthodox because of they percevied as a lack of voice).
However, I have a feeling that [User:65.219.253.17] is going to come and readd much of it. His IP information from Whois lists it from a block at a place called The Interchurch Center, which appears to be related to the NCC (and some other NCC member organizations). I think (but am not 100% sure) than 235.17 is related to the NCC in some way or at least close to them (such as involved in work with the NCC).
24.205.66.2 07:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much politicization

message: Should be some mention of the rather obvious fact that some of the largest and/or fastest growing Protestant denominations refuse to join... AnonMoos 06:43, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-members

message: It is stated in this book that it is : 
* founded in 1908 by Walter Rauschenbusch, a baptist (socialist) and Henry Ward (communist, as federal council of church
* identified by congress as "communist organization aimed at the establishment of a state churh"
* office and naval inteligence reported they gave "aid and confort to the communist movement and party"
* in 1942 their platform called for a world governement
* financially supported by Andrew Carnegie and John D Rockfeller Jr
It requires no more to say that it is part of the new-age movement.
Menant (talk) 16:19, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  David Rivera - Final Warning  

message: In this entry, there is distinct confusion when concerning included denominations. Although there is a section precisely labeled "Member Denominations," in no way does the article truly definer to the reader in what ways the "Member Denominations" differ from non-members. The inclusion of the link table "United States Christian Bodies" muddles the matter two-fold: not only is the table situated in-between two sections (giving the reader no definite context by which to pertain the information to); but one of the article sections it resides in just so happens to be "Member Denominations." This error can lead readers to interpret the table as signifying that ALL religious denominations in America belong to the NCC.
This is true. It happened to me. I stared at the article for five minutes while my mind writhed, trying to decipher the broken code.
There seems to be a healthy amount of editing for this page, so I am sure that an enthusiast would do a much better job of fixing this than I.
Patron Vectras (talk) 09:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion of Included Denominations