Talk:FIBA

message: Since FIBA is pronounced "feeba" then doesn't that make it an an acronym?
129.59.115.1 (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Isnt FIBA an acronym and not an initialism?

message: I´m sorry, but this tounament is totally official because it´s organised by FIBA    so it MUST figure in the article. See the FIBA´s sources, it figures on its calendar events... --Ultracanalla (talk) 22:39, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a championship event. It doesn't belong on the list of other events that are actual championship events, in which the national programs send their best teams. It's just an exhibition. It has no meaning. Just because it's "official" in that it's on FIBA's calendar doesn't mean that it is a championship. It's just an exhibition, a gala, a celebration of basketball. It doesn't belong on this list any more than the Centrobasket champion does. Just putting it in the same table as the World and Olympic champions suggests a connection with them that is totally inappropriate given that one of the best teams in the world (the United States) isn't even allowed to participate. I'm not saying the United States should be allowed to participate: the idea behind that rule is that the USA national program doesn't need further exposure and to hog the spotlight from other national programs at this exhibition designed to increase exposure for the sport. But it does indicate why it doesn't belong on this list of FIBA Championships. MrArticleOne (talk) 01:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

text: An even better example: the Diamond Ball is no different in meaning than the Borislav Stankovic Cup or the "Good Luck Beijing" event, which were also just as arbitrary and just as much an effort to just make more games for teams to play than at the actual international championship events. It is a worldwide version of things like the Marchand Continental Champions Cup in the Americas zone. They aren't championships; just more games for teams to play. MrArticleOne (talk) 01:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There are lots more events in FIBA's calendar (Asian Games, Southeast Asian Games, Centrobasket) but they're not included here. The events included here are the Olympics, world championships and the intercontinental championships. –Howard the Duck 03:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: At what point do we finalize this discussion? MrArticleOne (talk) 04:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Status quo ante bellum? –Howard the Duck 14:38, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant, how long do we give Ultracanella a chance to respond before restoring the status quo ante bellum (that's a fantastic reference, by the way). MrArticleOne (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this was already resolved in another talk page so just think of it as done until Ultracanella responds. –Howard the Duck 03:11, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Then I will revert. MrArticleOne (talk) 04:03, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No sir, this is a FIBA official competition and it must figure at the article. Give me ONE (1) source that says that it´s an exhibition... We MUST include EVERY Fiba´s calendar official competition because we are talking about FIBA here... If -for example- Centrobasket is not included here, it´s a mistake... And all the official FIBA´s competition must figure in this article. It´s a different thing here, because at FIBA´S article we must put ALL the FIBA´s official tournaments. The thoughts or feelings mustn´t be here... Where is said that it´s and exhibition?--Ultracanalla (talk) 07:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an exhibition because it is treated like one. It does not factor into the World Rankings. One of the best teams in the world isn't even allowed to participate. Not all national teams send their best players to it. Look, I understand that you're Argentinian and proud of the fact that Argentina won the Diamond Ball. Argentina has had great success and is, I think, arguably the best national program in the world right now top-to-bottom. But the Diamond Ball is not an effort at determining the best team or anything else. It's just an event. It is not a championship. If it were a meaningful championship event, it would factor into the FIBA World Rankings. Putting it on the table with other meaningful events that do factor into the FIBA World Rankings only suggests that it has far more weight and meaning than it actually does. MrArticleOne (talk) 16:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok, for the ranking page. I agree with you there and I didn´t revert on that article. But HERE, we are talking about FIBA (the organization) and we must mention ALL the official tournaments organized by this institution (FIBA). Only for that reason we must include not only Diamond Ball, Centrobasket, and another official tournaments that FIBA organizes.--Ultracanalla (talk) 19:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Putting it in the same table as real championships that actually matter and count for something is misleading and suggests it is more significant than it actually is. When you put it right next to the Olympics and World Championship, it suggests it is on par with them, when it is not. And unless you're prepared to do a comprehensive effort at researching all of the other sorts of events that exist in the world of basketball (are you signing up to research the Borislav Stankovic Cup?) then I don't think we should put any of these other, subsidiary events until we can put all of them in. The fact that Argentina happened to win the Diamond Ball event is not a legitimate reason to privilege that event with discussion that other events don't get. MrArticleOne (talk) 19:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: The fact that Argentina won the Diamond Ball this year, though, indicates why it is highly misleading to put it on the chart right next to the Olympics and World Championship. The Diamond Ball brings together several teams, including the defending continental champions, with the exception that if the United States is the FIBA Americas Champion, the next-best finisher at the FIBA Americas Tournament is invited. USA is the defending FIBA Americas Champion, but was not invited to the Diamond Ball pursuant to this rule and Argentina went instead. MrArticleOne (talk) 19:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Moreover, the argument that because the Diamond Ball is a FIBA event, the FIBA article needs to make mention of it, doesn't make a great deal of sense. It'd be like saying that the article on the NBA needs to go over who the defending champion is of the NBA Summer League, or the MLB article mentioning the defending champion of the Grapefruit League. Yes, they exist, but they are competitively irrelevant. MrArticleOne (talk) 19:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: There are TONS of tournaments FIBA organizes it'll be too many for them to be included here. FIFA doesn't include all tournaments either so... –Howard the Duck 22:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Sorry, but we are not talking about "relevance" or "irrelevance". It´s a FIBA tournament and it WILL be included. Calll to a administrator to intermediate in this issue. I add the sources but nobody of you put any source that says it´s not relevant. I´m very sorry, i will revert. It´s the FIBA article, not the FIBA´s ranking... Fiba organizes the tournament, it´s official, it must be included in Fiba´s article. It´s very simple.--Ultracanalla (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't "very simple." The Diamond Ball is not a championship event. If you want to put it in the article, go ahead, but you're going to have to come up with a way that is much less misleading than the way you're proposing. One of Wikipedia's policies is NPOV, and part of that is giving to a particular datum a degree of attention and coverage that is appropriate for it given its relevance and importance. Your edit suggests otherwise, but the Diamond Ball is not on a par with the Olympics or World Championships; how could it be? Only one team per continent is invited and the United States team is ineligible by rule. You have ignored the counter-examples I provided; instead of engaging with our logic and argument, you are simply insisting upon the same argument that we have addressed. Almost every professional sports league that I am familiar with has an exhibition season of some sort during the off-season (in Major League Baseball in the United States, there is the Grapefruit League and the Cactus League; the National Basketball Association here runs a Summer League; and so on). These are "official" competitions but they are competitively irrelevant. There is a difference between being "complete" and being accurate, and your proposed edit is highly inaccurate. Moreover, your insistence upon only including the Diamond Ball, without going to the trouble of researching and finding a way to implement the wide variety of other competitions that your max-inclusiveness policy demands, suggests to me that this is driven by (justifiable) national pride in Argentina's victory at the Diamond Ball event, rather than a bona fide interest in making the article "complete" (you do not seem to be terribly concerned on nailing down all the facts about the Good Luck Beijing event, for example). MrArticleOne (talk) 21:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

text: You do realize the FIFA article doesn't include each and every article which FIFA's organizes? 119.95.19.169 (talk) 01:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FIBA Diamond Ball 

message: Since there's no panoceanic club tournament and currently only the Australian NBL/WNBL was included, I've added the New Zealand's NBL to the club tournaments table. If anyone has counterarguments for this inclusion feel free to express them. IJK_Principle (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NBL New Zealand 

message: --I understand wanting to use FIBA's colors for the map, but making Africa light grey is ambiguous. Mapping/data visualization conventions usually use grey to indicate 'no data', exclusion from surveyed area, etc. The way it's presented, it looks like South Sudan is included and the rest of Africa is not. Making Africa a dark grey would still reflect the FIBA colors but follow map conventions. South Sudan and other excluded countries should be a color not used by FIBA.74.73.184.219 (talk) 00:20, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Before the map was colored that way but was changed so that it'll look like the FIFA map's colors. –HTD (ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens.) 03:32, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map and Zone Colors 

message: Is there a reason that the FIBA World Cup (inaugural in 2014 in Spain for men and in Turkey for women) that replaces the FIBA World Championship, held every 4 years since 1950 isn't mentioned, or the original FIBA World Championship?
http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/14/wcm/event-guide/p/overview.html
KenPAdams (talk) 19:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why not include FIBA World Cup? 

message: COPA LATINA DE BALONCESTO DE CLUBES, 1953 (FIBA)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_Latina_de_Baloncesto_(Clubes)
--PeterHistoryContribucion (talk) 07:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  COPA LATINA 1953 (FIBA) 

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