Talk:List of Survivor (American TV series) contestants

message: Creation of an average age table is simply showing the statistics that have already been stated on the page in a way that shows a trend of the average age over the seasons.  This content should be allowed on this page.  It is in no way 'trivia' as previously stated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.27.66.87 (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really unnecessary, and there was nothing saying why the age trend is notable and thus falls under the trivia category. Besides, it's a List of contestants, not a list of contestants ages. -- Scorpion0422 00:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take that argument.  List of Survivor contestants average age lets just keep it here.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zopheus (talk • contribs) 00:10, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Average Age

message: Since she quit the game before it started, should she really be considered as a contestant. She never appeared on the show and therefore never played. Want does everyone else think? Survivorfan101 10:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She didn't actaully appear on the show, so she shouldn't be listed here. -- Scorpion0422 01:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Melissa McNulty

message: Occupations are relevent and have had an impact upon the game. (Ex. Carl from Survivor Africa was only targeted because it became known that he was a dentist and the others assumed he had more money then them.) The castaway's hometown should be considered more trivia then their occupation. DanMan22 23:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I agree with DanMan22 on this.  Occupation seems less trivial than hometown to me.  --Maxamegalon2000 15:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Occupations aren't listed on the season pages, so why should this one be any different? -- Scorpion0422 15:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose one could argue that an article about the contestants would naturally contain more detailed information about the contestants than the articles on each season.  Maybe we could discuss somewhere more prominently whether to add occupations to the season pages as well? --Maxamegalon2000 19:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Occupations are trivial. They have nothing to do with the actual game and in many cases, the contestants no longer hold them, so not only is it trivia, it's outdated trivia. The list should be for basic information, if we add occupations, then we should add the number of days they were in the game, the tribes they were in, etc, etc. -- Scorpion0422 19:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is that neither home town or occupation are really necessary.  While it is true that an occupation did make an impact on a few survivors, for the majority of the survivors, it no impact on the game for them. -- Gogo Dodo 23:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Occupations

message: I was reading this: "for the most part, contestants are virtually unknown prior to their Survivor appearance, but occasionally some well known people are cast" and it got me thinking.  Should there be a mention of the fact that five former Miss USA or Miss Teen USA delegates have competed?  One might call it trivial but I think the fact that I can't think of another single group that has representation like this suggests that it might be worth including.  The girls are Janu Tornell (Miss Nevada USA 1989 - Palau), Kim Mullen  (Miss Ohio USA 2002), Misty Giles (Miss Texas Teen USA 1999 - Panama), Danni Boatwright (Miss Kansas Teen USA 1992 & Miss Kansas USA 1996 - winner of Guatemala) and Amanda Kimmel (Miss Montana USA 2005 - China).  PageantUpdater  talk • contribs  10:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only put the sentence in there because the lead needed padding and I added two examples because being part of the NFL and being an astronaut is kind of notable, but this has since expanded to four. I don't think there is a need to list EVERY SINGLE contestant who had slight success before joining the show. -- Scorpion0422 11:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the entire sentence because it was unsourced and sort of POVish, because to a poker fan, Jean-Robert would be far more famous than Gary or Ashley. I really think it's unnecessary to include how many were Miss Tenn USA contestants because there is no reason why that specific group is notable. What about all of the contestants from the armed forces? Either way, the section really isn't the kind you would want in an FL. -- Scorpion0422 20:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the difference that mentioning the high number of Miss USA and Miss Teen USA delegates would be relevant in a discussion about castaways that were notable before appearing on the show, whereas mentioning the number of contestants from the armed forces would not be? It sounds like the point of contention here is whether being a delegate confers notability. Unlike the individuals already listed, no one is proposing that the lead section mention all of the delegates who have been castaways. --Maxamegalon2000 21:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For those concerns, and more, that's why I removed the sections. Without sources, it's all POV as to who was and who wasn't notable before appearing on the show anyway. -- Scorpion0422 21:54, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think deleting all of the sentence in question along with all of the examples would be best in the long run.  It will be difficult to draw the line on what is notable enough for inclusion or not (I personally think that the pagent delegates are notable enough should the sentence stay) and I can see long arguments about where the line is and then eventually the list getting too long. -- Gogo Dodo 23:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Notable" survivors - what about Miss USA delegates 

message: I was wondering if Frosti from Survivor: China should get his own page here on Wikipedia, I mean he is the youngest contestant to ever play the game. I think that is very notable... Thankyoubaby (talk) 02:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Typically, contestants don't get pages unless they have done something else notable outside the show. The exceptions to this are the winners. -- Scorpion0422 02:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a WP:ONEEVENT issue. –BuickCenturyDriver 09:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: @Scorpion Why are winners the exception to that? 74thClarkBarHG (talk) 23:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should Frosti get his own page? 

message: I have been constantly visiting this article and can't help but see how hard it is to read the table. I just thought that it would be better to at least have some spacing per survivor installment so that the table will be easier to read.LordBelly06 (talk) 04:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That would render the sortability by finish, location, etc. kind of useless. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contestants' Table 

message: When I was just doing some stuff with the sorting by certain stats (ages, locations, finishes) I noticed that Alexis, James, Jason, and Ozzy from Micronesia get sorted at the bottom with the final 5 (Erik, Cirie, Natalie, Parvati, Amanda)...but since the former 4 have their placings, why aren't they properly sorted? 24.236.38.22 (talk) 10:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because of a improperly typed sort function. As these guys are 9th through to 6th (single digits) they need a zero in front of their number to sort properly, i.e.  needs to be . I've fixed it. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 10:33, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question 

message: Anyone who regularly edits this article surely would do a good job on this article: Cities Visited by The Amazing Race (U.S.) -Just putting it out there. Rj1020 (talk) 02:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Similar Article

message: This is a minor point, but the colors of the second- and third-time contestants are very similar.  Do we want to make them a little more contrasting - say, make third more yellow, maybe tint it orange?Simplebutpowerful 02:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third appearances? 

message: There have been a sequence of undiscussed edits which have changed this page from one single long table to a collection of smaller tables.  The reason for the single long table is that it is sortable, and hence, allows for sorting across seasons.  If you wish to change the format, please propose it here, rather than edit warring.  Thank you! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 00:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table format 

message: With so many photos of contestants, some of whom were quite forgettable, shouldn't we add a photo of Sandra Diaz-Twine. She is, after all, arguably the best player to have ever played, as she's played twice and won twice. TheTribeHasSpoken (talk) 08:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no picture available to place in the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:44, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention she's not a good player. Lucky, yes. She rode coattails in both her seasons. Lets just forget about her. Kangaross1989 (talk) 22:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

text: We should get a photo up of Boston Rob. He's a major player on Survivor and the only one to play 4 times. Kangaross1989 (talk) 01:53, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of contestants 

message: I'd like to see a list of Survivor contestants by number of days spent in the game (total of all seasons). Probst struck an interest in that when announcing that Parvati and Amanda are over 100 days. This wouldn't work with the current list, though, because players have a different line for each season played. Any idea how to make that?
Em79 (talk) 18:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number of days in the game 

message: Because for the first time in Survivor history we had two contestants quit at the same time, we need a list of contestants who quit the game.  I think there were four contestants in the history of the series who quit before the current series.  There were also contestants who left the game involuntarily due to illness or injury. Can there be a list of contestants who left the game due to illness or injury? Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:43, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think this is a very good idea as they were in the game and this past season shows that they were still involved in the game.  Lots of people might not have liked it (I personally did not), but the fact remains that the rules at the time show that when you quit, you are not completely out of the game.  So I think the existing integrated listing for all of those who either involuntarily or voluntarily left is correct.  Breaking out the list into three groups: did not quit, quit, medically removed will just cause confusion about why some people are not listed in the main list. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: On the grand scheme of things, I think it falls under trivia. This page should just stick to the basics: name, season, age, final placing. -- Scorpion0422 17:25, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need list of contestants who quit the game and a list who left due to illness or injury. 

message: I've closed Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of Survivor contestants/archive1 as a keep, but there is still one issue that needs to be addressed (copy-pasted from FLRC):
*Quick question – What makes HitFix (reference 1) a reliable source? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outstanding issue from FLRC 

message: What do you all think about having the original and subsequent tribes listed? I think it looks better this way. Also, can we have a concensus on how people with nicknames are sorted? eg Jessica 'Sugar' Kiper's two appearances arent together if listed alphabetically.
On one more note, is it possible to list the contestants by state, and not just the hometown's first letter? It would be good to see everyone from California, say.
Cheers everyone — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kangaross1989 (talk • contribs) 
:I think that having the tribes listed in the article is an excess amount of information best left to the season articles.  It makes the table too confusing to read since there is a lot of empty columns and no context about why certain people are assigned to certain tribes.  It also makes the table far too wide.
:As for your question about sorting, I think the sorting should always be by first name, not nicknames.  For the sorting by state, to do that, you would have to break the column into two: city and state.  The table would be be wider and I'm not sure that is such a good idea. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Would listing all the tribe names in a separate section help? –BuickCenturyDriver 09:42, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original Tribes 

message: The "Longest lasting contestants" section has now grown into a huge table and I'm a bit concerned about how large it has grown.  I think that as it stands now, there is far too much information packed into it and it is starting to look like an excessive amount of statistics and redundant informatin.  So I propose the following:
* If the section is to remain labeled as "Longest lasting contestants", cut the list to the top 10 versus what is now effectively "Players who have played multiple times and all of their statistics".
:* If the list is not cut, then the section should be renamed.  I don't have any suggestions for that now as I favor a shortened table.
* Remove the four season columns. The point of the table is to show the number of days in the game in total, then the seasons are not that important.
:* If the season columns are not removed, then all of the information in the parentheses should be removed. It is either redundant to the information already listed (the season number) or the main table (the standing).
* Remove the best finish column. Again, redundant to the main table and veers away from the point of the section as it is currently labeled.
I'd also like to consider removing the section in its entirety. The article is listed as "List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants", not "List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants plus statistics for those who played more than once".  I think the table is moving towards a baseball like statistics thing that is not really appropriate for the article.
Thoughts and opinions? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 08:08, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd support that. As it stands, the list is just trivia better suited to a Survivor fansite. -- Scorpion0422 14:16, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

text: Since the article name is "List of Survivor (U.S. TV series) contestants", than the "Contestants" tables should be changed to. The "Name" column has to be unique (if this is in face a list of contestants, and not something else). קולנואני (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

text: About the "Longest lasting contestants" - the table is missleading. There should be another colums - average days played (which is the total of days played divided to number of seasons played). The four seasons colums - are redundant. קולנואני (talk) 01:23, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with adding another column to the table.  Either the table should be removed entirely (my preferred option) or columns removed.  Adding yet another column makes the table even more like a baseball like statistics thing full of trivia that has no bearing on the game. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longest lasting contestants 

message: Should there really be a cross for the three timers? I mean, isn't there any other sign like *, #, ç, %, +, @, ~, °, § or something like that, to indicate that someone played three times? Does it have to be the same sign that in normal articles indicates that the person is dead? BigPig (talk) 14:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  three-timers 

message: Now that Russell has been the host of his own show, Flipped Off, he is known for something outside of Survivor.  Therefore, it would be justified to give him his own page.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.235.113 (talk) 16:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page for Russell- Flipped Off 

message: Hey guys, I just noticed that Todd Herzog from Survivor China no long has his own page. I am not quite sure why this is, as most of you probably know of his recent appearance on Dr. Phil. He has had his own page for quite some time, and only after his appearance it Dr. Phil was his page deleted. He seems to have much more post-Survivor notoriety than some former contestants who have their own page, thanks.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.71.27 (talk) 22:31, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Todd Own Page 

message: During her time in Cook Islands & Heroes vs. Villains she was Candice Woodcock. In those spaces her name shouldn't be Candice Cody. Elizabeth Hasselback's name is Filarski in The Australian Outback.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.233.4 (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Candice Woodcock vs Candice Cody 

message: I do think that it's definitely worth listing all of the contestants' total days on the show. Why would that not be useful information? 169.231.57.146 (talk) 23:26, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's trivial information. Gloss 03:45, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How so? That's like saying their age is trivial. Isn't this supposed to be the ideal page for listing such information? Especially when the number of days, and constantly shifting records for most days, is an important topic on this show? 169.231.21.11 (talk) 06:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that an important topic on the show? Is there any reliable sources for this information in the first place? Gloss 06:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Are there any sources for their hometowns, or names, or rankings? It comes from looking at the number of days they lasted in each season, and in the case of returning contestants, coming up with the cumulative amount.  It's important because it's part of their time on the show, right alongside their rankings in each season. If anything, it's their ages and hometowns that are trivial because they're not important to the show. 169.231.21.11 (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, their CBS bios which are all linked, those covers the hometowns and names. The placings are sourced because it's common knowledge after the season has aired. And we never know for sure what day tribals are held on, so we don't always know how many days someone lasted. Plus, cumulative amounts are even more trivial. It looked like Boston Rob spent 100+ days in Redemption Island, based on your edit of the page. It's not important information. Gloss 06:57, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Well what about their ages, then? Are those linked as well? And if we don't know the days, then why are they always listed on the contestants' charts in each of the seasons' pages? The days are just as much "common knowledge" as their rankings, to use your own words. If you want, I can change it so that there's both a "by season" column of days as well as a "cumulative" column. But the fact is that it IS important, or at least as important as their rankings. 169.231.21.11 (talk) 07:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinced that it's anything important enough for inclusion. Probably best that we wait for another editor's opinion. Gloss 07:04, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Very well, but as I said, I'm willing to make all the necessary changes to fix it so that there's no confusion with the cumulative totals, as you pointed out. I just think it would be a fine addition that would bulk up the interesting facts a little more. It certainly doesn't hurt. 169.231.21.11 (talk) 07:16, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

text: First off, this shouldn't even be a possibility until there's a version with working sortability; that's what sandboxes are for. Procedure aside, I think number of days is trivial, and the two columns at the end are confusing. -  Katanin (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of Days?

message: Should we add the † for deceased contestants that makes necessary. I found it in every List of (reality show) contestants article pages. ApprenticeFan work 00:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you give some links? I just don't see how it's relevant but maybe there's a good reasoning behind it that I'm not seeing. Gloss</span> 00:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The "list" of contestant articles consisting of two: The Amazing Race and America's Next Top Model with deceased contestants are indicating daggers. ApprenticeFan work 00:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah those are both not very well put together lists, and neither explain what the dagger means in the key. It also strikes me as somewhat concerning because if it's being used to show that someone has passed on, it could be taken to be a religious cross rather than a dagger, and we don't want to give off the wrong impression. But besides that I'm just not sure it's something that belongs in these lists. Gloss</span> 00:46, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deceased players 

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message: This list is getting very long, especially on mobile. If splitting it into separate pages is out of question, why not reorganize the list by separate seasons instead? George Ho (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is un-navigable as is. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:01, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Its loading times are excruciating, especially when editing the page. George Ho (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an easy fix, too; it just needs to be broken down into manageable pieces. Like seasons 1-5, season 6-10, etc. The same with The Amazing Race and Big Brother contestants. They are currently too long to be reasonably navigated or edited. Bgsu98 (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Should we move the season column to before the consteant column? This way, it would remove the color of whichever returning player was eliminated first. Martinc1994 (talk) 08:32, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split or reorganize list? 

message: I think that this list includes too many nicknames. For example, I don't think it's necessary for the list to explicitly state that Greg Buis is short for Gregory Buis, as that has no relevance to his time on the show. Is this a case of it being too difficult to draw a line between nicknames deemed notable (such as Benjamin "Coach" Wade) and more common nicknames? Vinnie927 (talk) 06:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nicknames 

message: As I see, you merged the tables back into one very long table. Why did you do that? I thought there was a consensus to split the tables up, wasn't there? George Ho (talk) 04:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't see it my bad, you can re split the tables up again if you want but I think it would be better if it was merged so that it can be sorted by placements, names etc Techn0driv33 (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text:  What about loading times and editing contrivances? Why do you think sorting all contestants by placements, names, or any other category would justify merging all tables back to one? George Ho (talk) 20:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: ngl I didn't really have any problems with what you mentioned. I don't even think its that much of an issue, theres no need to berate me change it if you want Techn0driv33 (talk) 04:49, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tables re-merged into one again