Talk:List of fictional vehicles

message: Like the list of ficitional spaceships this page is pointless unless there is some good reason for having a confuisng mess that is no help to anyone can someone delete it  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.84.252 (talk) 18:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the poit of this page 

message: I see several notable examples wiped out in a mass deletion spree done by an editor, who back in May of last year nominated the article for deletion, that ending in Keep.  That means consensus was to keep the entire article, not have 90% of it wiped out.  I am restoring the mass deletion.  If you believe something doesn't belong there, discuss it here, and someone familiar with that series will comment on it.  Dream Focus 04:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the mass destruction done, I noticed that even The General Lee, which actually has its own article, was deleted, as well as others.  Don't just wipe out something because you've never heard of it.  It was a vehicle in a notable series, and someone who has seen that series can tell you how important it was, or if you look up reviews for it, you can surely find them.  Dream Focus 04:17, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem we're encountering here is one of the scope of this page. It seems that some believe that the page should only cover purely fictional vehicles, that is ones that are of a completely fictional design, such as the Batmobile(s), while others would include ones that are simply custom versions of real vehicles, such as The General Lee (which is little more than a 1969 Dodge Charger with a unique paint job), that are featured in fictional works. In reality, they're very different things, which is a major part of the reason that I believe this list is far too broad in scope to truly be useful. oknazevad (talk) 04:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: They play a significant role in fictional works. I'll change the definition to clarify that at the start of the article. Thanks for your input. I hadn't thought of that.  Dream Focus 04:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets get the facts right, my nomination did not end in a keep, it ended in a no concensus, I only voted this time because I was ntoified about this nomination. As with your reinstatement of entries and your tabloid sensationalistic "mass destruction" heading, what are you trying to include, fictional vehicle in fictional works or vehicle in fictional works, are we going to include the Devil Z from Wangan Midnight when in fact like the General Lee, it is a modified car (modified Datsun Fairlady Z), are we going to include every cars that appeared in films such as the Bullitt Mustang, The Fast and the Furious Supra, the Akina Hachiroku from Initial D or the Pursuit Special from Mad Max. Plus with your revision, tell me what is so significant about these vehicles in Command and Conquer and Halo, do any reliable third party source mention them, do any reliable third party sources list these entries, I'll tell you what, don't bother editing unless you can find a reliable third party sources for these entries. @Focus, I removed the General Lee, why, because that vehicle is not fictional at all, it is more like a car from fiction, I am doing my job at keeping this article from being another bloated dumping ground for some random fictional vehicles. Donnie Park (talk) 00:32, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Doing your job?  Those who hate an article do their job by destroying most of it?   That doesn't really make any sense.  I see no reason not to list any fictional vehicle from a major work of fiction.  And the General Lee wasn't just a car with a paint job, and the doors welded shut so the characters had to enter and exit through the windows.  It was a popular selling toy in those days, I owning one.  We can all discuss what makes something notable enough to be on the list and form consensus.  But I don't think someone who is trying to delete the article entirely, should be going around mass deleting most of it.  Dream Focus 06:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't destroying it, I deleted those that do not have its own article as well as the few that I doubted it qualified for entry. Donnie Park (talk) 09:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mass destruction of information by editor who previously tried to delete the article 

message: What about airships,  Nemo's submarine, Robur the Conqueror, rocket belts (my word, YES...Buck Rogers and company!), starships, flying carpets, broomsticks, chariots drawn by the horses of the sun, a basket carried by swans, King Arthur's barge.... --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  Its a fictional vehicle, and is a significant part of a notable work of fiction, then it should be added.  Harry Potter and other notable works have broomsticks in them, as flying vehicles.   Flying Carpets have their article already.  Dream Focus 18:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Before you considering adding, consider WP:WTAF first otherwise edits will be reverted without warning. Donnie Park (talk) 23:30, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Relax, relax...I'm sure we can find enough fictional vehicles right here within our cozy little wikiverse. --Wtshymanski (talk) 00:21, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text:  Oh, I see...we've redefined this list as a "List of Wikipedia articles about fictional vehicles". That narrows it down considerably, though of course makes it useless as a list; we should rename the article to make it clear.  What's the point of this again? --00:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed it back.  You are just being WP:POINTY.  Dream Focus 02:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text: *I don't understand why are you still bleating about 2/3rd of the article gone, that nomination is over, just get over it, all I am doing is to make it AfD proof. I am making sure editors understand that we only allow articles of vehicles in fiction, not titles and any crap there is...I mean come on, I mean don't you have a standard? Donnie Park (talk) 09:41, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Wells and Verne

message: Are we excluding real vehicles that were used in fiction?  For example the Nimitz was the star of The Final Countdown (film). And the Titanic made a few movies, too. --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a single way count as a fictional vehicle. Donnie Park (talk) 23:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There's no way that should be included. ----DanTD (talk) 23:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't a fictional vehicle, if its 100% real.  Dream Focus 02:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  But the Nimitz in the movie wasn't 100% real, even if was just the name of the captain changed. I haven't hit IMDB yet but I'm sure there's a list of goofs for the movie that show discrepancies between the fictional portrayal of the Nimitiz and the real ship. --Wtshymanski (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Unintentional goofs are different than intentional designs.  You can't say, hey, that ship launched 17 missiles and I know it only has 16 that can fit into a launcher at a time, so it must be a new type of ship!  No, actually, its just an accident.  If they had lasers and force fields or it somehow managed to fly around, then it'd be something different.  Or if it was famous for being someone's command center, and their famous command center just happened to be a modified aircraft carrier, that might be a different story.  Dream Focus 18:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: USS Nimitz and the like

message: Well? Orbiting satellites, space stations, etc. ? --Wtshymanski (talk) 05:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they used primarily as transport vehicles?  I don't think that is its primary function.  The entire world is spinning, thus we're riding on it, that doesn't make it a vehicle.  And if you were in the cowboy days, and they were dragging you behind a horse to punish you, your duster(coat) wouldn't be considered a vehicle even if was something you ended up riding on, pulled by an animal.  Nor does it count if a giant bird flies by and grabs you by the hair, and carries you off.  Dream Focus 05:45, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What about space stations?

message: Not the ones with pinstripes...powered exoskeletons, like Starship Troopers or Forever War or about 11 billion things called "gundam" that I have no great interest in reading. Not a flying car, not an automobile, usually have some flight/cross country capability that would seem to make them vehicles.  I think they need their own heading. --Wtshymanski (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mecha?  Exosquad comes to mind.  Plus Voltron, and many other things.  Dream Focus 23:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text: OK, how about the symbiotes from The Ophiuchi Hotline?  It does let you get around the rings of Saturn comfortably, but might be considered more of a life-style choice than a vehicle.  Opinions? --Wtshymanski (talk) 22:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there an actual vehicle, or do they just send information about their final brain scans somewhere, and then get recreated?  That isn't really them, just a recreation.  So they aren't being transported.  Dream Focus 23:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What?  No, nothing like that. You walk up to a pile of green goo, it swarms up your hand and envelopes you, tapping into your brain, circulatory and excretory systems. After a few hours or day of sensory deprivation a personality develops and you can talk to it.  After some practice, the human/symb can step out into the vacuum and start living in space. Read the book - real SF has stuff that you never seen in the Japanimation. --Wtshymanski (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I read through the Wikipedia article.  Is it a vehicle, or just a protective covering?  Sounds like a new body more than a vehicle, like the Symbiote (comics).  Of course, some might consider the human body a vehicle for the brain/soul.  What happens if you put your brain in a robot body to walk around with?  That counts as a new body, not a vehicle, doesn't it?  Then again, if you are in a mecha, its a vehicle, and if you die and your brain gets fused with that same mecha, does it become a body instead of a vehicle?  When the people writing the dictionaries decided what every word meant, they didn't think too far into the future, so are going to be outdated.   Dream Focus 18:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Power suit

message: * A Lotus Esprit S 1 in the 1977 film The Spy Who Loved Me (James Bond 007) is quite well known, I finding plenty of news about it in the movie, and even outside when they put it on display somewhere. [] It never had any actual name, just a regular car made into something quite fictional, adding in the ability to act as a submarine, torpedoes included.  Dream Focus 21:14, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoops.   Already on a list linked to.  Nevermind.  Dream Focus 21:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  James Bond's car quite notable 

message: Notable element of a notable film, something talked about, and they even made a toy from it.  Most famous inventions of the character, what he is best known for. []  Dream Focus 21:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Buckaroo Banzai's Jet car

message: See Wikipedia:Featured list criteria . There are only 6: Prose, lead, comprehensiveness, structure, style and stability. Featured lists I've looked at have references, even if the entry is also a blue link - seems redundant to me. --Wtshymanski (talk) 19:41, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What makes a featured list

message: I read through this comment page and while it's always refreshing to see Wiki editors not fighting (much) and calling each other names, my biggest problem with this article is it has zero citations or references. If we follow Wiki's rules that: any information without a citation may be removed, then by definition this article won't exist. Some suggestions would be: anyone this invested with coming up with long lists of information would be equally invested in citing where they got this information (and if they're not I suppose that reflects the trivia nature of lists), or we could turn this into a category page (again, there is no actual information on this page outside of links). Or better yet, that actual information I just mentioned, a paragraph after each category justifying its existence to those who don't know much about fantasy worlds and the machines within them might be nice. Duende-Poetry (talk) 14:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not say "any information without a citation may be removed" anywhere that I'm aware of.  Only if its slanderous about a real person, or someone sincerely doubts the information.  Dream Focus 15:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

text: If something is missing then add it.  Does the back story for Herbie say it is magical, and not just mechanical, or supernatural(possessed by someone's spirit)?  Thomas and whatnot are in their own section, which links to the pages that list all of their trains, and then link to their individual articles such as Thomas the Tank Engine.  Most of those things on any of these list(some broken off to side articles linked to in this article) have articles dedicated to them.  Dream Focus 16:44, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

text: The Wiki does not try hard to do anything, since its not a living entity.  A small number of people try to eliminate things they don't like, but the overwhelming majority of people are tolerate of such things.  It meets all requirements for a list article.  That's why it survived three attempts to delete it at AFD already.  It aids in navigation, for anyone curious about finding out information about famous fictional vehicles.  Dream Focus 21:18, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Why Does This Article Exist, Come Again?