Talk:Big Brother: After Dark/Archive 1

message: I think it would be a good idea for anyone that updates the daily happenings to list any nudity, hook ups, etc. that happens in each episode since, let's be honest, that is what 95% of us are watching and hoping to see. On that note, Showtime should do a weekly recap of things like that each week like they do for Big Brother Australia. -Mrowlinson 22:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then go for it! I am in the 5% that does not watch it for those reasons. I like the bickering, and over-the-top shenanigans, though. - Jeeny Talk 23:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't have time to do that, but I would guess the person writing up those summaries may. It was just a suggestion from what I was seeing reading various BB message boards. -Mrowlinson 04:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a good suggestion. I can relate about the time issue. Hopefully someone will take interest in building on the article. :) - Jeeny Talk 04:31, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive edited the page for the past 4 days. There are hookup descriptions in there, but in a house this large, only the most important alliances are necessary right now to comment about. Smaller, less significant alliances are not necessary, especially if the show does not focus on them. And, there is no nudity to report so far. Nothing has been shown on BB After Dark , so I cant report. 75.43.222.191 07:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I have been watching some of it too. People aren't yet tired of going way out of their way so they don't get caught naked, which is expected. Give 'em a few weeks. I think once things get going in a few weeks or so, things will really start to pick up with drama, hook-ups, etc. Should be interesting to watch. -Mrowlinson 06:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I watch it after I get off work at 9, so I miss an hour or so, but the message boards give me an idea about what went on so that I can write this update. I try to present the different events, but this is an encyclopedia, and should be formatted different then a casual message board. That is how I see it. 75.43.204.188 07:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

text:  Didn't Eric get naked numerous times? Or was that not on Showtime? Melanie 20:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Never on Showtime. - Rjd0060 20:59, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add Nudity, Hook ups, etc 

message: Why is Mike highlighted as nominated. The veto ceremony hasnt happened for this week yet. It is still jen and kail on the block at this time.
Where is the table that shows who has been evicted....HOH.....POV.....nominated?  I personally liked that being on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.56.194.30 (talk • contribs) 
: I removed it because it's duplicating content you could find on the article for the season. This article is about the Showtime Too show, not the minutia and recaps, like it has become. --William Graham talk 02:12, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nominations 

message: I find that the episode summaries are becoming increasingly biased. A good example of this is the statement "yet another slow and boring night". Also, the statement made about the houseguest not coming into the kitchen during the altercation between Amber, Jameka, and Dick, becuase they didn't want to get involved, is pure speculation. No one knows why they didn't make an appearance, we only see that they were absent. The article is starting to sound more like it belongs in the tabloids and not in a encyclopedic article. Dancehallqueen123 20:25, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the fact that they (they meaning Eric and Jessica) spoke the following day about how they avoided Dick that evening, because they didnt want to deal with him.  Sounds to me like that is not wanting to get involved.  As far as slow and boring nights, I dont believe that to be a biased statement at all, however I do agree that they should be removed as that statement does not constitute as a "highlight" of the episode.  Just my opinions.Rjd0060 23:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV needed in summaries 

message: Hello everybody.  If you will notice, or if you already have, Big Brother 8 (US) has been semi-protected due to unregistered users making changes to the page, which end up having to be reverted.  
Now, I believe we are having the same problem, if not a worse one, with this page.   Do you guys think we should get a semi-protect on this one also?  The one for the BB8 page expires on September 2.  I wish it wouldn't expire until closer to the finale, but nothing I can do about that, unless once the protect expires, we still have problems.  - Rjd0060 17:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protection for this page? 

message: Friday, Saturday, and Sunday need episode recaps... I didn't catch these episodes or I would add the info myself. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 20:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have every single episode on TiVo and am slowly working my way through the episodes and editing as I go.  But I'm only on 8/13 right now, so please be patient.  If no one has edited the missing episodes by the time I get to them rest assured that they will be full of content once I get to them.supremegoddessofall 01:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, Supremegoddessofall! We'll be patient. We appreciate it.Snowfire51 02:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes.  Thank you VERY MUCH.  I don't know what happened.  There used to be a bunch of people, and now nobody updates it.  It might be due to the semi-protection status of the page.  I wish those anonymous users who updated this would get accounts.  Thanks again.  - Rjd0060 03:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Info needed 

message: Please see current discussion at Talk:Big_Brother_8_%28US%29#Spoiler_tags concerning spoiler tags on this article. Axem Titanium 02:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: I'm still winding my way through doing the more detailed updates for the August episodes, and will eventually get to the September episodes as well.  However, I will be out of town from 9/1 to 9/8, so we could really use some more updaters for the newer episodes.  I will be TiVoing them all, but it's unlikely I'll be able to do summaries for the newer episodes until the middle of September.  Anyone else have the time to help out?supremegoddessofall 03:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional contributors needed for episode recaps 

message: Supremegoddessofall I will try to contribute more to updating I have been real busy lately and haven't been able to watch the show. Hopefully next week I can. Mgunter93 05:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any help is appreciated!  Even just short blurbs help - I will flesh everything out as I go through the episodes, but I probably won't finish all of them until a couple weeks after the season ends. - supremegoddessofall 06:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Supremegoddessofall 

message: External link (remember http:// prefix)
I think that it would be better for the article if the episode summaries were just removed. And this article was deleted and Big Brother: After Dark was added to the main Big Brother (US) page. Or just do like the main article for the UK series does and put the companion shows in a separate article. The episode summaries here are not proving anything in my opinion. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 07:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as you can see higher up on this page, people (including myself) think the summaries should stay.  That's pretty clear.  So with that in mind, I don't think it would be good to add this page to the main article, since then it would be WAY to long with all of these episode summaries in it.  - Rjd0060 14:54, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Disagreed.  Keep the summaries and keep it a separate article. - supremegoddessofall 22:38, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove Episode Summaries 

message: Since the finale isn't until 9/18, does that mean we'll have a show for 9/16 and 9/17?  If so, we need to add that into the page. - supremegoddessofall 03:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same thing but I dont know and there has been no word from anybody about it.  Shouldnt add anything until we actually hear something though.  - Rjd0060 15:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  End date? 

message: I think Daniele's power of veto wins is incorrect. For week 9-- didnt Zach win it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.123.105.3 (talk) 18:55, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both Daniele and Zach won the power of veto week 9; it was a double eviction week. 138.119.97.62 19:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestions 

message: Please don't put your own opinions while editing the article!Melanie 18:20, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opinions 

message: My TiVo decided to freak out, so I don't have Friday night's episode (9/14).  So I need someone else to fill in that date. All the other blank ones I'll take care of as I get to those episodes. -  supremegoddessofall 13:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to be missing a date 

message: I changed all the tenses of the main part of the article to past tense, until there is an official press release stating that there will be a renewal of the spinoff series. Please do not change the tenses back to present until this is met. —TRAiNER4 (talk • contrib) 04:33, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  changed tenses 

message: Hi,
Despite the extensive work in the article, I have unfortunately removed the plot summary sections. 
The primary reason for this is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and more specifically, per WP:NOT#PLOT:
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"... merely being true does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. In addition to other sections of this policy, current consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not simply:
:* Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on published works [including TV shows] ... should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot. A brief plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.
The plot summaries were an scene-by-scene replay of the episode. A typical one  – of many – read as follows:
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Wednesday, August 1: Jessica is playing with the small chess board and creating combinations of pieces that can “date” each other. She then creates a party scene with them; Dustin joins in with this as well. Dick and Zach talk about sports. Amber and Jameka are in the HoH bedroom talking about Jen and the game. Amber believes that she has power over Jen and can convince Jen to do what she (Amber) wants her to do. Amber gets told to “treat her microphone with respect” by Big Brother (she tied the cord in a bowtie); Amber apologizes and Jameka says she will find Big Brother a girlfriend. Dustin, Jessica, and Eric join in the conversation and they talk extensively about both Zach and Kail. Zach for some unknown reason, puts on a “wifebeater” shirt that only has a front side – the back has been ripped off. He puts on a “real” shirt and Dick throws a bunch of flour at him, which gets all over the clothes he had laid out on the bed. Zach says he’s coming to get Dick, who is waiting outside the little bedroom with more flour. Zach barricades the doors in the little bedroom by moving the beds. Dick then throws pita bread at Zach from the camera hole into the little bedroom. Zach tells Dick that he’s cleaning up the mess and finally lets Dick into the room. The people in the HoH bedroom send Eric to investigate what Dick and Zach are up to. Zach leaves the room and Dick puts a bunch of food in Zach’s bed, including macaroni cheese powder, pitas, and M&Ms. Dick actually breaks a slat in Zach’s bed by trying to jump across the bed. Dick is trying to escape the room before Zach can see what all is in the bed, but Zach is blocking the door; unfortunately this means Zach can’t reach the bed without letting Dick escape. Zach finally lets Dick and discovers the mess in his bed. Dick does eventually clean up the mess. Jameka and Kail come in to explore. Zach returns with some eggs in hand. Dick says “no eggs, they’ll make a mess.” Most everyone ends up back in the kitchen, where Jen is cooking food she can’t eat, since she’s on slop. We don’t see much of Nick or Daniele in this episode until late, when they are cuddling in bed together. Zach gets a bunch of baggies from the storeroom and appears to be plotting something, as he goes through various drawers in the kitchen and storeroom. Zach tears apart the ripped wife-beater from earlier and begins to put together something strange in the kitchen (presumably a “weapon” for use against Dick), which involves a jar, some tape, a rubberband, a little towel, olive oil, and a bunch of spices. He finishes whatever he is doing and puts a lid on it. He goes hunting for Dick and finds him, telling him he has something for him, but the shows end at this point.
There were many dozen entries of this kind. That is not what Wikipedia is for. The aim of an article is to provide a summarized reference of the subject - in this case a discussion of BBAD or similar. Not to re-enact it. We do not replay TV episodes here of everything that has ever been on TV, no matter how popular. We characterize them.
Article before edit:  DIFF .
RFC also sought, to obtain extra eyeballs and independent views on this edit.
FT2 (Talk | email) 21:16, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot summary removal 

message: *That seems like a reasonable application of the policy you cite. Good work. Stevage 06:21, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments