Talk:John Wark

message: User:The Rambling Man and I are pushing this article to FA status. I'll take down the tag when we've finished doing major revamp work. Please do feel free to help with adding citations, fixing errors, challenging unsourced comments, etc.
A to-do list will appear below in due course. --Dweller (talk) 10:06, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Under construction tag 

message: * Add content, especially off-the-pitch stuff
* Mark all uncited material with  tags
* Images/licenses/captions/positioning
* Replace all of the citation requests with citations, or amend/delete the text
* Insert some more personal qualities type quotes 
* Format all footnotes per WP:FOOTNOTE
* Copyedit whole article
* Gain third party copyedit
--Dweller (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  To-do list 

message: It'd be nice to add at least something about the nature of his role and the character, e.g. non-speaking/speaking, minor character, some explanation of who the character is supposed to be etc. --Dweller (talk) 11:44, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Acutally, if memory serves he had a minor speaking part but his voice was dubbed over with a "posh" Edinburgh accent...  need to find a citation for that, mind you! The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

text: I don't think the mention is intended to confer some kind of fame on Wark, rather just a nod that he was a bit-part in a successful movie with Stallone/Caine etc..  The Rambling Man (talk) 23:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure an entire subsection amounts to "just a nod". In any case, I have recast the sentence lest anyone gain an inflated impression. The Times reference doesn't state there were multiple Ipswich players, but then it doesn't mention Bobby Moore, Michael Caine, or Max von Sydow either. jnestorius(talk) 10:20, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well fair enough. This ref, albeit from a tabloid, mentions Warkie being there with Osman and Beats.  And IMDB includes Sivell and O'Callaghan, but not Beattie.  So it's probably true to say Wark wasn't the only ITFC player but there's nothing reliable there right now.  I'll need to dig up some RS on movies for this!  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Escape to Victory]] 

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--Dweller (talk) 13:56, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful articles from RS 

message: I found a source that suggests Wark joined from Drumchapel Amateurs (which I presume is this team).
The source also provides a brief overview of his career and mentions things like him reverting to centre-half, due to an injury crisis. Hope it's some help. I'd love to help more with this article, but am too busy IRL at the moment.
Best of luck, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 20:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  (Hopefully) useful information 

message: I realise it's a bit late to say this, but for the benefit of the readers of this encyclopedia, I suppose you wouldn't consider revamping the article in userspace, and adding each paragraph/section once it's approaching ready, rather than leaving the whole article in such a completely un-reader-friendly state for days (hopefully only days) on end? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revamp process 

message: What do people think of the link in the following:
"He played enough matches at the end of his first season to earn himself a Football League championship winner's medal."
Cheers, --Dweller (talk) 13:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well firstly I think the link you mean is 1983–84 in English football. I think The Football League 1983–84 is probably a more appropriate link, but then again the two pages are remarkably similar (which brings up a whole different issue!). Rambo's Revenge (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikilinking 

message: To-do:
# Cite each of the honours individually
#:All honours appear in the "stats" reference from his book, here ref [1].  Is that sufficient?  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If we wanted to be super sure, we could get it peer reviewed? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Also, I have yet to finish his last spell at Ipswich - and possibly find some nuggets for the "personal" side of things... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's next? 

message: I think we could add something in personality/playing style about his disciplinary record, if we can find anything... --Dweller (talk) 11:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure of any RS with his disciplinary record.  From memory, it was unusual to see him yellow, if at all red-carded.  But I don't think he was a Lineker.  So I think it's unremarkable...  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discipline 

message: Isn't there some rule somewhere that says you can't wikilink in quotes? My links keep getting removed so shouldn't these? Spiderone 19:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What you are refering to is the "Linking" section in MOSQUOTE. "Unless there is an overriding reason to do so, Wikipedia avoids linking from within quotes, which may clutter the quotation, violate the principle of leaving quotations unchanged, and mislead or confuse the reader." Looking at this article I think there is an overiding reason to link names to Giles, Bremner and Stein because it reduces ambiguity about who these people are. The same could be said of the boot room link. With respect to links in quotes like blood pressure, alcohol, penalty and referee I am indifferent to them being linked. In my opinion none of them clutter the quotation or mislead or confuse the reader. However they are not essential to the article. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links in quotes 

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message: Flagged this article at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Correct_action_when_someone_persistently_adds_back_a_deprecated_source? - David Gerard (talk) 13:57, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As you know, the Scottish Sun is not deprecated to the extent you claim in your edit summaries.  Please desist from making fake claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:02, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't specifically relate to Wark, but this edit is comical. The user removes a reference citing the "deprecated" Scottish Sun, and replaces it with one from the Daily Record. They're basically the same type of newspaper - "red-top" tabloids focused on the greater Glasgow (read: Rangers and Celtic) market. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: The editor in question is using false edit summaries and misrepresenting the comments at WP:DEPS.  And replacing the Sun for the Daily Record is just about the single silliest "replacement" I have ever seen here. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:19, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Then remove the claim entirely - David Gerard (talk) 14:30, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would advocate applying some level of sense here, which appears to be missing here.  For instance, DEPS says "The primary exception to deprecation is that deprecated sources can normally be cited as a primary source when the source itself is the subject of discussion", i.e. deprecated sources can be used.  Not "(should never be used for anything)" per the false edit summary claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:35, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of deprecated sources