Talk:John Cotton (minister)

message: The introductory assisted in the foundation of Boston, Massachusetts  is rather misleading, since Cotton arrived there in 1633, three years after the city had been founded. --Janneman 17:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intro 

message: This article was automatically  assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: Can somebody tell me what the anonymous edit on the 30th was all about?  It almost looks like they were trying to delete one of the footnotes, but took out random bits of the first paragraph instead. I did a manual revert from 26 Sept., but if there's a valid reason, please fill us in. --Enwilson (talk) 22:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 30 Sept. 2009 edit

message: This page has Cotton's year of birth as 1585, as in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, but Larzer Ziff's The Career of John Cotton (Princeton University Press, 1962), Everett M Emerson's John Cotton (New York: Twayne Publishers, 1965, revised edition Boston: Twayne Publishers, 1990), The Dictionary of National Biography (1902), the Mather Project (http://matherproject.org/node/51), http://www.encyclopedia.com/people/philosophy-and-religion/protestant-christianity-biographies/john-cotton and others all give his year of birth as 1584. The gravestone implies 1585. Does anyone have a definitive source?
DigbyJames (talk) 22:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: This will likely remain unresolved, so we choose our sources.  When it comes to dates, I use a reliable genealogical source, where the nuances of vital records and dating events is well understood, and for Cotton I used Robert Charles Anderson's 10-volume Great Migration compendium, which is a fairly recent work, and was produced using hundreds, if not thousands, of historical works.  This source gives the birth year as 1585, citing Cotton Mather's Magnalia.  Cotton Mather was a grandson of John Cotton, and a well-known preacher and historian, and may be the closest source we have to the actual event, since the original record of baptism appears to be no longer extant.  However, while using the year 1585, Anderson does acknowledge that "some sources" give the year as 1584, specifically citing Samuel Eliot Morrison's Founding of Harvard College.  I fully trust Anderson on this issue--that 1585 may be a more defensible position.Sarnold17 (talk) 07:50, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Year of birth 

message: It is extremely improbable that the image purporting to show John Cotton is really him and misleading of Wikipedia to pretend that it is. A moment's look at the wig and clothes of the sitter shows that the painting was almost certainly done after 1652. Unless my judgement can be proved wrong, I suggest this is corrected soon. Clifford Mill (talk) 11:01, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading image 

message: The apparent owner of the page has objected to the use of Church of England. 
As a rule of thumb in contemporary discussions, when the Church of England is specifically meant, use Church of England; if it is the wider Anglican Communion (which wasn't really a concept in C17) use Anglican. But the subject here is not contemporary. Until the American War of Independence (and more precisely until the ordination as bishop of Samuel Seabury in 1784), English settlers in the New World who were what would later be called some variant of the Episcopal Church, were members of the Church of England. To quote from the lede of Episcopal Church (United States) “The church was organized after the American Revolution, when it became separate from the Church of England ...”, therefore here Church of England is correct. Nedrutland (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Church of England/Anglican 

message: Here is the sentence:
He had already built a reputation as a scholar and outstanding preacher when he accepted the position of minister at St. Botolph's Church, Boston in Lincolnshire, in 1612.
Dilidor objects, and proposes:
He had already built a reputation as a scholar and outstanding preacher when he accepted the position of minister at St. Botolph's Church, Boston in Lincolnshire in 1612.
This is wrong, and I have replaced the comma. I think the first version is excellent. I will, however, moot two alternatives I am willing to accept, ahead of Dilidor's inevitable total rework on grounds having nothing to do with his refusal to accept MOS:GEOCOMMA:
... minister at St. Botolph's Church, Boston, Lincolnshire, in 1612.
or:
... minister at St. Botolph's Church, Boston (Lincolnshire), in 1612.
Both approaches are to be found further down in this article. Regulov (talk) 07:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: You appear to be more interested in creating conflict than in finding solutions. I have performed my "inevitable total rework on grounds having nothing to do with his refusal to accept MOS:GEOCOMMA" which was such a simple, painless edit. I will also point out your persistent aggressive and accusatory approach here.  —Dilidor (talk) 17:49, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: The solution has already been found, Dilidor. It is in the Manual of Style. Regulov (talk) 20:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boston in Lincolnshire 

message: Was john cotton on the mary ship 2601:845:8100:F300:E071:C5A5:7514:C982 (talk) 21:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question