Talk:Okopy, Ternopil Oblast

message: Is this supposed to be an article about the castle or about the location?
In the former case, lots of stuff needs purged. In the latter case the article should be moved to the modern name of this Ukrainian village Okopy, Ternopil Oblast (there is also eponymous village in Lviv Oblast). The rest belongs to the history section and should be covered within the article text.  --Irpen 15:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And why not Okopy Sviatoi Triytsi? After all that's how the place would be called in modern Ukrainian - if only it still existed... As to the scope of this article, I believe it should be left as it is. That is, I'd rather this article covered both the fortress and the town, with some mention of the later village of Okopy. Note that all of that is already in the article. //Halibutt 15:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: We can just discuss this first. A vote is necessary only if we can;t come up with mutually agreeable decision. --Irpen 19:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I tentativly support this proposal, especially as it is the decision recommended by Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). What about 'Okopy Sviatoi Triytsi' as Halibutt proposed?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okopy Svyatoyi Triytsi is not the modern name of the location. Since the modern name exists, this would be the name of the article. "Literally Ramparts..." would be mentioned of course. --Irpen 19:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With the difference that the place no longer exists as a separate entity and the name of Okopy (or Okop) is purely historical. There are several other villages of that name though, including one near Ternopil. //Halibutt 19:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: The place does exists as a separate etnity as a village under the name of Okopy. There is one other village in UA under the same name and that one is in different Oblast. --Irpen 20:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Suppose that article must be about Castle. Village in Ukraine more than 30 thous., but Castle only several groups of ten. Name or present - Ramparts of the Holy Trinity or Okopy of the Holy Trinity--Yakudza 00:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It has been my experience that often castle or other structures on Wiki will begin their life as mentions or sections in article about villages/towns/etc. and only later they will gain their own articles; it is rare to see it happen otherwise. I certainly think this article should be about a village, with a section on history and castle.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 06:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  For once I agree with Piotrus. We should move the article to Okopy, Ternopil Oblast, as Irpen suggests, and see how it goes with the fortress. A parallel might be the article Loch Doon in Galloway, Scotland, which is a lake, a castle, and a modern village (well, a clachan really). Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 00:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Gentlemen, do as you please. I wrote the article, you can argue about the title. I'll go on and write another article so that you had something new to dispute its title. //Halibutt 19:23, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well said :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 19:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Castle or Village

message: The source, please.
Xx236 10:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  totally depopulated, as a result of forced migration of Poles to Siberia.