Talk:New Found Glory

message: Alright, well I removed their genre Melodic Hardcore because the band is definitely the farthest thing from it. They have soft melodies, and sing extremely high-pitched. If you want to hear Melodic Hardcore try looking up some bands that are mentioned on the Melodic Hardcore wikipedia page, you’ll notice they sound nothing at all like New Found Glory. As much as it seems some of you would like this band to be hardcore and all that, they are not. Please just accept they are nothing more than a Pop-punk band and stop changing their genre. leave it the way it is. Thank you.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.184.10 (talk • contribs).
:Well, they are definitely (melodic) hardcore-influenced, and simply labelling them "pop" instead of "rock" is a little general (and above all, incorrect). Maybe not on their most recent work, but most definitely on anything prior to that. Please look into the power pop article as they are a hell of a lot more melodic hardcore than they are power pop. Also, take in consideration the introduction of the section "List of melodic hardcore bands" in the melodic hardcore article, which very well applies to New Found Glory. Lastly, please only change such things as genre and musical styles if you can provide sources stating that the band is not harcore-influenced, but power pop-influenced (which should be impossible), per WP:V. --HarryCane 12:23, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Genres are all about influences. They're about shared patterns, rhythms, sounds, influences and chord progressions with other acts. If it wasn't, we would need a single genre for each and every band, because two bands will never sound exactly the same. --HarryCane 16:00, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: so basically you're telling me that every band in the world should be put in the same genre because if you go by influence everyone is influenced by a band who was influenced by another band who was influenced by another band so then wouldn't the genre of every band be the same cause if you going by influence you have to include the enfluence of the other bands cause they technically are influencing the band that is influencing the first said band. basically what I'm saying is genres aren't about influence it's about the music your playing it's classiflying and categorizing the current style of music cause if you put your influences genres in your genre then you might have a really long list of genres heading all the back to pretty much classical music. I vote take out Melodic Hardcore cause it doens't belong with New Found Glory they're a Pop Punk/Rock band and nothing more.Scubster 14:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I really don't know how you got all that from what I wrote earlier. Where exactly did I say that every band should be labelled "classical music"? Whatever, if the melodic hardcore label is taken out, it should at least be mentioned that they are hardcore-influenced, because it shows in their music (except for maybe on their latest effort) that their roots lie within the hardcore genre. --HarryCane 19:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You didn't diectly, but what you did say is that genres are influence and everyone is influenced by classical music.Scubster 02:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't say that (that everyone is influenced by classical music). And I certainly don't believe that. --HarryCane 12:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know you didn't say that everyone is influenced by classical music, I said that because you said that genres are about influence but ever type of music dates back to classical. So, technically everyone is influenced by classical music (like it or not they are.) We could date it back even further but I'm too lazy to do that.Scubster 19:12, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Change to Article

message: I have created an article for my friends over you, mainly because this is their breakthrough song, at least onto the commercial scene, feel free to add or takeaway as long as it improves the article01:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles

message: I think the members' seperate articles have been tagged "merge into New Found Glory" long enough (a Grushka article doesn't even exist) and there were mostly no opposing arguments against a move. I still don't think what little information is there on each member warrants an article on its own, so a merge would in my opinion be appropriate. I put a little temp page together at User:HarryCane/New_Found_Glory_members. I'm going to do my best and reference what's there, and I'd love it if we could somehow get a license-free headshot of each member (preferrably cropped from one photograph) to accompany their subsection. Let me know what you think. --HarryCane 10:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No one's got an opinion on this?`--HarryCane 17:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I do. Shouldn't members be listed, not set in their own boxes? Jeez, it's like I'm looking at a band's "Members" page on their website. The wording is nice, but shouldn't paragraphs be, you know, in their own articles, or you know, merged into the article? This is probably the only page I see with that, and it just looks like people are trying too hard for this article to look good rather than be informative. It looks really nice, but Wikipedia isn't for looking nice. IronCrow 04:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I think we have too little info to create individual articles and even a separeted article with everyone. IMO, the info should be be put in the band's article as it was until IllaZilla remove the content on 8 January 2008.--ChancerBR (talk) 01:32, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members section 

message: HarryCane, I found your comment about emo as a genre not existing anymore very interesting.  I agree with you on several fronts, emo has become a very scene oriented medium and the term is being thrown around very haphazerdly these days. However I think it's premature to say that it's died as a musical genre, it might be very different than it was a decade ago, but there's still lots of music being produced, marketed and recieved as emo,  in fact I think it's quite anaologous to what has happened with punk in general. Is the punk that high schoolers gorwing up in the 80's and 90's knew dead? If you judge by the commercial music industry, then yes. Go to any high school and you'll find that punk has become much more of an image, clique or in the music industy, umbrella term for several niche alternative rock genres, than it once was. And yet there are literally dozens of groups still producing music that is being labeled and recieved as punk. The same thing, I believe, can be said for emo. Emo as far as anyone in the mid 90's knew it may be gone, but the same can be said for punk, ska, goth rock or a multitude of other subgenres, heck alternative rock in general doesn't exist as we once knew it and yet the label is still carried on to the new generation. The fact is that many bands are producing music they label as emo, the record labels then market and sell that music as emo and the fans and radio stations recieve it as emo. It might not be emo in the classical sense but that's what people recieve it as and that's what people now percieve emo to be. Yes, it's not the pure emo that the original fans grew up with, and it's become commercialized and cheapened like most everything else and that sucks for the orignal fans, but the bottom line is it has adapted to the times just like any other subgenre. Anyway that's just how I see the current situation.
However that's really not my main intent on posting here, my real concern is the debate on whether or not New Found Glory is emo. I realize that you're a very passionate fan and you're just trying to protect the band's artistic integrity but the thing is we went through this exact same debate with the term "Grunge" over at the Smashing Pumpkins article some time ago. I'm not sure if you're familar with that band so let me briefly explain. I am a huge smashing pumpkins fan, the band first gained mainstream exposur eint he early 90's the same time that the seattle grunge scene was exploding in popularity. The band never considered themselves grunge, and they weren't even from the same region or musical background as most grunge artists, however since their music had some stylistic similarities to several grunge bands, that's what they were initially labelled as. The band of course hated this, but that's how the public percieved them for a time. Eventually the grunge fad began to fade and the band became well enough known off their musical merrits that the label was dropped. So over at the SP page we had a dilemma do we label them as grunge or not? Most of the fans were against it however we couldn't ignore the fact that for a time the label was part of their public identity. We ended up coming to a compromise, rather than sticking grunge under the infobox we instead just mentioned the genre confusion in passing in the body of the article. I believe the same should be done to this article. I realize that a lot of, possibly most, long term emo fans might not consider NFG to be "true emo" but that is term which the larger public associated them, and if you'll excuse me for saying so it does seem a bit presemptious to think that if the band themselves label themself as emo on their official site, we shouldn't at least mention it somewhere in the article. Again I realize that this article must mean a lot to you and you're just trying to keep it as factually accurate as possible but this is a compromise that has worked for a lot of other bands' articles and I believe that it would be well-suited here.
S. Luke 20:03, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The emo question again 

message: I reduced the "members" section down to a a list, as it was absolutely full of extraneous detail on each member. If the person is notable enough outside the band, then there should be a separate article about them with these details. A complete bio of each member within an article about the band is completely unnecessary. Also, the individual promotional pictures of the members do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion under fair use guidelines. IllaZilla (talk) 06:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Members section

message: I also took the "logo" out of the infobox. First of all, logos are not appropriate in infoboxes; if it was notable enough then it should be in a separate image box within the article, with a discussion of its significance. If there's no discussion of the logo, then it too fails fair use criteria. Also, it wasn't a logo but rather just a stylization of the band's name from one of their albums. NFG has no logo; their name appears in different stylizations on every album and no design is used consistently enough to be called a logo. Bad Religion and Pennywise, for example, have logos...NFG does not. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Logo

message: I created Chad Gilbert's article. --Thebluesharpdude (talk) 06:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chad Gilbert's article 

message: A.K.A. the history section. --Pwnage8 (talk) 22:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recentism Central 

message: I've added Emo to the band's list of genres. I realize that this may be seen as a controversial move by some. However the only evidence provided this page to prove that their not emo has been personal opinion, whereas I have included several reliable sources to back up my statement. Since Wikipedia is based on verifiability rather than opinion please discuss here before removing this information. Aurum ore (talk) 22:34, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is backed up by reliable third party sources, it's unfortanute that it happenes to disagree with your personal opinion. Aurum ore (talk) 08:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think any of those sources are reliable. Allmusic always call nu metal and metalcore bands "alternative metal" or "punk metal" and pop punk as "emo", which is wrong, and this has been discussed before. The second source states "the rock/punk/pop (otherwise known as “emo”)" which is not correct. And it's clear that the mention of "emo" on the Rolling Stone article was not to be taken literaly. We should call NFG thrash metal, hardcore punk, synth rock if that source is reliable (which is not, again)--Kmaster (talk) 12:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The sources in question are all used in mutliple wikipedia articles and are generally accepted as relaible sources. Although some people don't like Allmusic for varrying reasons, they're actually specifically recomended on the main page of WP:Music. Sure, the references are the opinions of some journalists and writers but really that's what all sources boil down to and they reflect the opinions of a larger group (although there are clearly many who disagree with them). Aurum ore (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

text: The problem is that since the term Emo now carries negative connotations in some circles,  many bands are claiming they're not part of the genre, even though they clearly fit most current definitions of the term. I'm not saying New Found Glory is one of these, but just because a band says they aren't a particular genre doesn't necessarily make it true (for example Twisted Sister might deny the fact that they're a Hair Band even though many people consider them to be one).  Curiously, New Found Glory actually used to list Emo as one of their genres on their MySpace page (probably around 2005-2006) although that is no longer the case. However, in regards to wikipedia the important thing is that we report multiple viewpoints. There are verifiable sources to support the fact that some people consider them to be Emo, just like there are verifiable sources to support that others consider them to be Pop Punk. As a result both genres are listed. Aurum ore (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Found Glory as Emo 

message: Hardcore should not be listed as a genre in the New Found Glory infobox.  The 4 references used to justify this genre, do not even call NFG hardcore:  
*The first reference states that "elsewhere, the group careens between hardcore punk, synth-rock and emo-tinged ballads" on their album Catalyst .  It does not call the band or the album "hardcore." That is the only mention of hardcore in this reference.
*The second reference doesn't mention the hardcore genre at all.
*The third reference only mentions "hardcore" in a user-reply to a review --it is not even mentioned in the actual review.  Even if you are to assume that this user-comment is credible, it only states that "NFG is, at heart, a pop punk band with a good deal of hardcore influences," not a hardcore band.
*The fourth reference is an online forum.  Firstly, it is not a reliable, third-party source.  And, secondly, it never even states that NFG is a hardcore band.
Because of the aforementioned reasons, I am removing the hardcore genre from the infobox.  Please comment here or on my talk page if you disagree with my rationale.  ŁittleÄlien¹8² (talk\contribs) 18:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your right, they don't support the fact that they are hardcore. This is because I originally used the references to back up their being called emo, which all four references support, but another user vandalised the page to list them as hardcore instead. Aurum ore (talk) 22:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I may remove the fourth "emo" reference, since it is written by an amateur reviewer.  Message me on my talk page if you have a problem with this.  ŁittleÄlien¹8² (talk\contribs) 00:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardcore 

message: "On March 18, 2008, a compilation named Hits was released. Two previously unreleased songs, "Situations" and "Constant Static," are also featured on the album"
"Constant Static" was actually on the Catalyst album.
:Actually, it wasn't. It was a bonus track in Japan and the UK, but it was not on the original release. Also, I know that there is an error in the CDDB that lists "I'd Kill to Fall Asleep" as "Constant Static" when imported into iTunes, so that may have confused you. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 22:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Constant Static" 

message: Melodic Hardcore  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammed212693 (talk • contribs) 00:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  genre 

message: Ian Grushka is the head bassist for New Found Glory.  Often plays with his shirt off.
Appeared on MTV Cribs on numerous occasions.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bweather04 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ian Grushka 

message: The Assocaiated Acts NEED to include Paramore. They have toured with paramore before, which in turn sparked the realationship with Hayley Williams and Chad Gilbert.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Telecasterization (talk • contribs) 02:50, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assocaiated Acts 

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message: Could they simply be added as a pop punk band in the lead, it is what they are most known for. If not pop punk could punk rock be added? Dekai Averett (talk) 03:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: International Superheroes of Hardcore is not a supergroup but a short-lived parody side-project consisting of all the members of New Found Glory and nobody else. I see very slim-- if any-- significant reliable coverage independent from NFG coverage. --Animalparty! (talk) 01:37, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Support this merge.  Joyous! | Talk 04:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

text: Support - should just be merged into NFG's history section for this timeframe. Doesn't appear any if their releases are actually notable either. Sergecross73 msg me 02:11, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

text: *. Joyous! Noise! 04:21, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge of [[International Superheroes of Hardcore]] into [[New Found Glory]]