Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive2

message: What do you think about using my timelines in the relevant articles?  Do you think we should include them or put them in a separate page?  kelvSYC 04:45, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the timelines 

message: Yes, I've been guilty of this in the past, but can we refrain from linking to league acronyms and use the full names instead? I cleaned up some prominent AHL links and changed them to AHL (Sorry, I haven't checked how to display inline wiki syntax. Anyone that knows how has my permission to edit those properly). Actually, can we establish a convention of using the full name at the first mention, and then maybe supplying the acronym for additional mentions? This might be especially helpful with Canadian Hockey League vs. Central Hockey League. Just to be thorough: the ECHL is officially just the "ECHL" after the merger with the West Coast Hockey League So the Stockton Thunder will be members of the ECHL, but the Hampton Roads Admirals were members of the East Coast Hockey League, which was abbreviated ECHL. Nothing is ever simple, is it. ccwaters 23:26, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  League abbreviations and links 

message: Every NHL team has a list of players. It is a great help if everyone helped to pitch in and keep this list up to date, uncluding adding rookies here List of every NHL player.
It seems to me the master list was taken from hockeydb.com and I have noticed that those players names were added without accents where applicable, ie. Jan Hrdina. I have created a redirect to that page, without the accents, to the properly accented link.SD6-Agent 00:18, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a topic that I have avoided discussing because it will cause a huge disagreement but I will put my two cents in anyway. This is the English language section of Wikipedia, so therefore we don't need the diacritics. Honestly, I feel that everywhere on the English hockey pages the names should be written without the diacritics except on the main player article itself, but not as the main article name. The main article name should be written without them. So, the "Jan Hrdina" article should be Jan Hrdina, not Jan Hřdina. The article should start like this: Jan Hrdina (Jan Hřdina) was born blah blah blah. Could you imagine if Richard Park's article was called Richard 박? "박" is not an English way of writing and neither is "ř". But this is a very touchy subject so I am not going to argue my beliefs; just make them known. I am not going to "fix" all the diacritics, but on the other hand I am not going to add them either when I make player lists. I will ignore them when I see them, but if I have to type that players name, I won't use them. Masterhatch 01:27, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the solution is to write the original article with the proper diacritics (throughout the entire article) then create a redirect to the page without the diacritics. I believ there is a difference between how Hrdina's name is written with the diacritics and how you wrote Park's name with the native language, which is not the same as adding diacritics.SD6-Agent 03:16, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of NHL players]] 

message: I just created a category for national ice hockey teams, but I noticed something that looked a little funny to me.
National team articles are currently rendered in the following format:
*"(Demonym) national (men's/women's) (ice) hockey team"
Examples: Canadian national men's hockey team, Russian national ice hockey team, Czech national ice hockey team, American national men's hockey team
My quibbles:
*In football (soccer), the standard article name for national teams is:
**"(Country) national football team", with "soccer" used for the USA and Canada
Some examples of the differing format:
*Canada:
**Hockey: Canadian national men's hockey team, Canadian national women's hockey team
**Football: Canada men's national soccer team, Canada women's national soccer team
*USA:
**Hockey: American national men's hockey team, American national women's hockey team
**Football: United States men's national soccer team, United States women's national soccer team
*Czech Republic:
**Hockey: Czech national ice hockey team
**Football: Czech Republic national football team
*Russia:
**Hockey: Russian national ice hockey team
**Football: Russia national football team
I've noticed that cricket uses the hockey format (i.e., English cricket team instead of "England cricket team").
Suggestions:
*Change the names of national team articles to the football-style format (country name instead of demonym; existing names would become redirects).
*Change "American" to "United States" in names of USA national team articles.
*In the Canada and USA team articles, change the order of the descriptors to match that used for the soccer teams (i.e. "men's/women's national" instead of "women's/men's national")
If you've already agreed on your format, I'm not going to push hard for a change. I do want to see if there's any merit to my ideas, however. — Dale Arnett 03:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the football team page names are very akward. And, the reason why some have "men's" and some dont, is based on how big the woman's game is in that country. Same goes for whether hockey or ice hockey is used. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  National team article names 

message: For player statistics, would it not be better to bold the years and stats of when the player played in the NHL? That is how it is listed in the NHL Official Guide & Record Book, as well as other statistical references, and it makes it so much easier to compare a player's NHL seasons statistically, without having stints to the minors and juniors interfering. For example see the article of Steve Eminger. 
Also, how do I have been having a hard time figuring out how to place the stub template under the statistics, because every time I do that on the edit page it always appears above the statistics. If somebody could help me solve that problem that would be great. Croat Canuck 00:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The NHL Media Guide would of course highlight players' NHL careers; it is, after all, a NHL publication.  Wikipedia isn't, and there are many players (and many fans, for that matter) for which non-NHL play time isn't an afterthought.  RGTraynor 01:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Well I can agree with that, but we do provide NHL career totals, as opposed to other league totals, and since we do that in bold, why not do the individual seasons in bold too? Maybe we should provide the totals for every league the player has played in instead of just the National Hockey League. Croat Canuck 02:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Show me an example of where you are having problems with the player stub categories and maybe I can help. I am not too sure I catch your drift, though, as I have never had problems with those. As for bolding, I don't care either way. Totals from other leagues? Well, to do that would be a lot of work because many sites only list the NHL totals and you would have to haul out your calculator for many players. But honestly, I don't feel the other leagues need to be totalled, except of course if the league was a major professional league, such as the World Hockey Association. I would rather see only the major professional leagues totalled. Masterhatch 02:37, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  TSN gives stats totals for all leagues. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:03, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it does, but its player lists aren't complete. Older, especially less notable players, aren't even on their database. tsn has Wayne Gretzky on its database, but not Thomas Gradin, for example. Masterhatch 03:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player Statistics Format 

message: What do I use?  I have been using the txt format available from IHDB and wrapping it in  tags (see the Garry Galley page I've worked on]] this seems very easy to me and allows me to add stats fast.  On other pages though I see HTML tables being used. Are these tables ripped from a source page somewhere or is someone actually going to go in and change the table layout each year!  Seems to me if we want casual people being able to add to Wiki that we might want to stick to the way I've been doing it.  Please let me know your opinion and if you are ripping tables from source code somewhere, what is that source! KsprayDad 13:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Format choice

message: Anybody have any information on the defunct "Quebec Junior Hockey League", specifically information related to the Quebec Citadelles. I got someone over at Quebec Citadelles (article for defunct AHL team), that insists that it was a minor pro league. I'm looking for references otherwise ccwaters 14:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quebec Junior Hockey League 

message: I've been recently been going through current NHLer's who don't have articles yet and creating short tidbit articles on each one. However I have noticed that when a hockey player shares the same name as another wiki-worthy article, that there are different things put in the brackets for the article title. For example I just created the page on Mike Weaver (hockey), but I also found links to it on other articles that were Mike Weaver (hockey player), and in different cases I have also seen (ice hockey) used in the brackets. What I'm asking is, which one is the correct format to use? I've been using the (hockey) one because it is the shortest and probably most used.
Also after I create the players page from above, I also go find other articles that may have the links wrong. I know already to go to the individual team history player lists, the entry draft articles, and the actual team articles. Are there any other pages that are important for me to check for wrong linkage? Croat Canuck 03:20, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: you have to go to the link on the left hand side that says "What links here". click on that and that will give you a list of everything that links to that page. I always check that before I make any new hockey player article. It is most useful. When you are changing links, do you also change links here List of every NHL player? That is supposed to be the master list and all players should be created starting from that list. As for (hockey) or (hockey player) or (ice hockey), well, I agree that we should choose one and use it universally, but I think that is an impossible dream to implement. I myself am guilty of creating different endings for hockey players. There was a discussion before I arrived on the Wiki scene that said we should use (ice hockey), but I think that was meant for hockey articles, not hockey players. I don't know of any hockey player specific agreement on the ending. I think (ice hockey) is probably the best because of other forms of hockey, such as field hockey. Masterhatch 04:22, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking and stuff 

message: Does anybody know what's officially usable as far as images of hockey players go?  I believe hockey cards are all fair use, but I'm not sure.--Scimitar parley 18:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Headshots from team sites are fair use-promo. Scanned hockey cards aren't, I believe.  RasputinAXP  talk * contribs 19:40, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that's a help.--Scimitar parley 20:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images 

message: Just a note to all users doing ice hockey bios. I just completed the alumni pages for all the teams past and present who have produced NHLers in the QMJHL, WHL, and OHL. I have all the QMJHL teams in, and the WHL and OHL do not include teams that only played in their old days (WCJHL and OMJHL respectively). So when doing player bios be sure to include these it gives me a lot less to do. See the Category Format page for specifics. Croat Canuck 20:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major Junior Category Pages 

message: Just to let you know that the ice hockey player stub is up for deletion Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion, so I suggest you voice your opinion as to whether you want it changed or not, seeing as how it directly affects how this Wikiproject goes. Croat Canuck 02:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: As I'm reading this, it isn't that they're just pitching hockey, it's that they're folding it into a more general "ice hockey bio" stub, conforming with those of other spots.  Is this an issue?  RGTraynor 05:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I see that as well. I agree that things need to come into line with other Wiki guidelines, and if the SfD crew thinks it's better off that way, more power to them. I think we're fine with folding it into the Icehockey-stub.  RasputinAXP  T C 16:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ice hockey player stub 

message: So someone created a template, , out of the team infobox tables, thats great except one problem. The problem being that of the alt logo. Their are six teams, (NHL), that either do not have an alt logo, are missing the alt logo, or (as in the case of Philadelphia) have an alt logo that is basically ssimilar to the standard logo. Basically with those teams you have a funny looking off center logo, with a white space next to it where a alt logo should go, it just looks strange, to me. This can be fixed, and i have no problem with fixing it, it would keep the look the same or the best i can, but in teams that don't have an alt logo, it would move the standard logo to the center. I was also thinking that other minor changes could be made so that this could be less an NHL only box to an all league box, being that the boxes for the minor league teams are similar to the ones used on the NHL pages. I figure i just get the idea of the project before going ahead, if no one objects then I'll push forward in the next couple of days or so. This part of the message will be cross posted to the template discussion.
 
I also was thinking of creating a template for the rosters, keeping the same format. I'll tinker around with some ideas, and get back to the project when i have something more concrete. Ideas are welcome though. --Boothy443 |  trácht ar 08:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly greatly like it if the teams' traditional logos received prominence in this box.  The alternate logos -- which, IMHO, aren't too terribly much more significant than team mascots -- shouldn't be as large (or in some cases larger) than the main logos.  RGTraynor 10:17, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

text: My two cents -- I am not enthusiastic about listing current squads for any team. There are too many changes to be made during the season, and a link to the teams web site (which has the current squad on it) would be sufficent. Flibirigit 06:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Also, which alternate logo should be used?  It's still not quite consistent.  For example, Edmonton Oilers shows the third jersey "drill-bit" logo as the alternate, not the "oil-rigger" found on Edmonton's home/away shoulder patches.  Yet, Dallas Stars has the "state map" alt logo, not the "longhorn" third jersey logo.  Also, San Jose Sharks shows the "fin" logo as the alt logo, even though it no longer appears on any of their jerseys (it's still on their pants and at the back of their helmets.) So, seeing as the importance of the alternate logo varies from team to team, I think we should only include it for teams that use it on the front of one of their jerseys (for instance Ottawa, Washington, Atlanta home jersey logos, Edmonton, Calgary, Los Angeles et al. third jersey logos.) Any thoughts? 24.139.30.75 21:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Templates 

message: While i like the idea of having a template for the team info boxes, i strongly disagree with using a template for the current squads. If anyone is going to create a template for the current squads, it must be presented here first so other wikipedians can discuss it. On several other occasions, templates have been attempted to be pushed through for the current squads and everytime they ahve been shot down. Masterhatch 20:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: My two cents -- I am not enthusiastic about listing current squads for any team. There are too many changes to be made during the season, and a link to the teams web site (which has the current squad on it) would be sufficent. Flibirigit 06:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current Squads

message: :Also, which alternate logo should be used?  It's still not quite consistent.  For example, Edmonton Oilers shows the third jersey "drill-bit" logo as the alternate, not the "oil-rigger" found on Edmonton's home/away shoulder patches.  Yet, Dallas Stars has the "state map" alt logo, not the "longhorn" third jersey logo.  Also, San Jose Sharks shows the "fin" logo as the alt logo, even though it no longer appears on any of their jerseys (it's still on their pants and at the back of their helmets.) So, seeing as the importance of the alternate logo varies from team to team, I think we should only include it for teams that use it on the front of one of their jerseys (for instance Ottawa, Washington, Atlanta home jersey logos, Edmonton, Calgary, Los Angeles et al. third jersey logos.) Any thoughts? 24.139.30.75 21:27, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logos 

message: Does anybody know of a website that provides World Junior stats and/or World Championship stats? I have a book that provides this in the player registers, but it only is up until the 1999-2000 season. So if anyone could let me know so I can complete bio articles under the listed format, that would be greatly appreciated.Croat Canuck 17:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, I answered my own question. Croat Canuck 22:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Play Statistics 

message: Take a look at the proposed standard boxscore for All-Star (or other major one-off games) at 41st National Hockey League All-Star Game (that's the one in 1990).  What do you think? kelvSYC 20:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the boxscore table. One thing i dont like about the Allstar game years is that it seems all the years are different. What I mean is that there is no format used to keep all the allstar pages the same. Same goes for all the draft years. Most of the seasons used to be differnt too, but I spent many (far too many) hours making all the season pages the same. I haven't quite finished yet, though. If you will notice that all the seasons from the first season to the beginning of the '90s are all the same format. I haven't finished the '90s yet. The same needs to be done with the draft years and the all star games. Masterhatch 20:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  To be fair, though, only 4 (and Rendez-Vous '87) have been made, although the necessary redirect pages are still absent (plus, I have a lot of articles on Canadian football to make).  I'm starting with the notable ones first.  It's also to be noted that I don't have what the penalties were for in my source, nor do I have a source for anything dating past the 50th all-star game.  It's also taking me longer as I only temporarily have my sources and it has many details on the events in and around the game itself, some of which is worth mentioning.  kelvSYC 21:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I wasn't suggesting that you do all the pages. that is a huge project. I simply noticed that you had an interest in the allstar games and if you want, you can help create a project page for the all star games like there is for the seasons and drafts (Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/NHL all-star game format). All that needs to be done is to create a page to work from so that anyone who wants to create an allstar article can follow a standard. Masterhatch 02:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boxscores 

message: I changed some of the format on the terminology section of the Ice hockey page to be more clear. I also created the wrist shot article. Tomorrow, I'll probably do the snap shot article and see what else is out there. JHMM13 (T | C)   08:07, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shots 

message: So, I just created a stub for Kyle Chipchura because a) I used to play minor hockey with him, b) he was just named captain of the Canadian World Jr Team.  I was hoping you all could help me "wikify" it (I'm still learning), and I wanted to know if there are any other World Jr. related articles I could contribute to.  Thanks.   Kevlar67 00:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Juniors 

message: Someone created a USA hockey roster template and added it to the bottom of the players' articles. I followed suit and created a few other countries. 1) Feel free to tweak the appearances (I'm think a gray background would be better against some of the flags). 2) I'm not sure of the coaches 3) So I add the other countries with only a few notable players? ccwaters 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just noticed some errors in : neither Marcus Näslund, Mattias Norström nor Kim Johnsson are a part of the team, they all had to decline because of injuries. Instead Tomas Holmström, Niclas Hävelid, Ronnie Sundin and Daniel Tjärnqvist have been called in. I have no idea how to correct this, so I hope someone who knows will do it. Thanks. --x-Flare-x 21:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can edit it here or type "template:Swedenicehockey2006" in the search box.-- JamesTeterenko 21:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Fixed. ccwaters 21:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for teaching me something new JamesTeterenko, I'm still pretty much a newbie at Wikipedia, so I try to pick up new things as I go along. And thank you for correcting it ccwaters. --x-Flare-x 13:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Olympic Roster templates

message: Template:Swedenicehockey2006 has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. FYI: I nominated all the others as well, They served us well but thier purpose has passed. ccwaters 16:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:Swedenicehockey2006 

message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores Talk 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd certainly look at National Hockey League as B-class at least; it's got a few lists but that's relatively unavoidable. Also at least B-class are Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, and Stanley Cup.  RasputinAXP  talk contribs 20:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'd consider Wayne Gretzky as A-Class. Keep the suggestions coming! :) Gflores Talk 22:27, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm actually vetting Wayne Gretzky as a Featured Article at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Wayne_Gretzky right now. If you have any suggestions on how to improve it, please let me know. That said, anyone else on the project, if you could lend a hand, that'd be great.  RasputinAXP  talk contribs 14:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project 

message: I've put up the National Hockey League timeline I've been working on at Timeline of the National Hockey League.  Hope everyone is interested.  Please feel free to modify it for aesthetics. 
I also have a WHA timeline ready, and I'd be willing to create a timeline for any other sports league following the pattern I have above.
kelvSYC 21:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timelines (again) 

message: Alright, we are getting our tails jimmy-whipped by vandals and shabby editing on the player bio articles. The Radek Bonk article went a month with unchecked vandalism before it got reverted. There are many poorly written and poorly organized player bio articles that need attention. Most of the player bio articles are on my watchlist, but I can't catch all the things that pass through. So in general, I'm proposing maybe having a better organization of our WikiProject so that our efforts can be more streamlined and efficient. It seems this WikiProject is gaining one or two users per week, but it also seems that very few of them stick around to do much or even stick around on Wikipedia in total. So at the very least I would wish to have our members to be organized into "active", "semi-active" and "non-active" so that members at least know who is still around in discussion. Like chances are, that only 3 or 4 users will respond to this comment. Any thoughts on this?
Another idea is to have 3 or 4 of the more prominent users to be passed as sort of heads of the WikiProject. There is no gain in power for them, but these users would be take more of an active role in guiding along newer users who have questions about hockey articles and such. As well, they would also have the advantage of being known as trusted users for any discussion that may come up. Another pro is that with these 3 or 4 helping out the newer users, this would result in less shabby writing jobs and more standardized editing. These users would have to be experienced in editing hockey articles and be in good standing with other users. If we wanted to get more specific, each of these could be in charge of maintenance of a certain section of WikiProject Ice Hockey and enlisting help for maintenance in that section (example, User #1 is in charge of player bio articles, User #2 is in charge of Major League Team Articles, User #3 is in charge of statistical and season articles etc.)... Again, I would like to hear other users thoughts on this, or any other ideas to improve WikiProject Ice Hockey.  Croat Canuck   04:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that we should group the members according to activity, perhaps, by time last (most recent) edits, or total contributions. It would also be helpful to list users who specialize in a certain area. ie. myself, I concentrate on OHL - Ontario Hockey League related articles. Flibirigit 06:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Mmm, trouble is, without authority, a "head" would have nothing more than moral suasion on his side.  Even in cases where there isn't out and out vandalism, we still have serious issues where users just plain disagree and decline to give in.  How many actual admins are current, active participants?  RGTraynor 23:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I myself am an admin, I know Earl Andrew is an admin, but his main focus isn't hockey articles, other than that I'm not entirely sure. Of course disagreements would be solved by mediation in the future if they aren't solved by themselves. I was thinking more along the lines of the "head" would be more of a "wise man" and knowing that WikiProject members approved of his/her appointment, there is a little more respect for that user because WikiProject Ice Hockey agrees with him/her enough to appoint him/her to that position. I agree with you too, Flibirigit, specialization is great so that users can work together to get things done, and that's what I'm hoping for. You specialize in OHL (Go Rangers!), I specialize in hockey bio articles, and other users specialize in other things, we aren't all the same. That's why I think we should exploit our differences to help improve hockey articles as a whole.  Croat Canuck   03:01, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Now that I'm done pushing Wayne Gretzky to FA status, I'm all for getting the Project moving forward. We could do a lot of good by fixing up lesser articles. Let me know, I'm more than willing to pitch in.  RasputinAXP  talk contribs 19:30, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I for one am semi-active in the hockey articles, and am working a bit on the Ice hockey at the 2006 Winter Olympics page. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, just a little start, not the complete solution, but I haven't got any resistance for re-organizing how the WikiProject members are listed. I'm gonna organize the list of members into active, semi-active, and non-active. Active is self-explanatory, Semi-active is they are not on it often but contribute here and there, and non-active. Non-active are those who have not been on for more than a month, and/or appear to have left Wikipedia in total. Feel free to re-organize yourself if you feel you aren't in the right category. Please continue the discussion (If there is any more discussion to be had).  Croat Canuck   02:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds like a great plan. I for one try to contribute to more than one article, but I'm sort of biased with updating the Sens page too much, hehe. I'm sure you can classify me as Semi-Active as a result.--Maraulth 02:05, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Actual WikiProject 

message: This article is in terrible shape, with a cleanup tag stuck to it, as it is horribly written and formatted. In light of the quality of new FA Wayne Gretzky, perhaps you guys could fix this one up too? Thanks. Harro5 02:17, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article doesn't have a cleanup tag, and hasn't for a couple weeks. I cleaned up the worst elements of it before, and did the best I could to better prop up the article back then. I do agree it isn't perfect, but its much better than it was before.  Croat Canuck   02:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to add on your comment Croat Canuck. I gave it and quick read through(for the nth time) after reading the former post. I think that your clean up work has been very good. It is a decent bio. One cannot find too many faults with it as it stands. It has all the detail that a Hall Of Famer bio deserves(without too much 'soap opera') Take Care! Mr Pyles 03:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I hadn't realised. I've had it on my watchlist since I added the cleanup tag, but must have missed your great cleanup job. Now all that is missing is image captions! Well done. Harro5 03:56, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: That's quite alright and thank you, I thought something may have been a little fishy when you mentioned the cleanup-tag.  Croat Canuck   04:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I've heard it used before; it's related to trifecta (from horse racing). It has nothing to do with five goals despite its linguistic roots. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=quinella "A system of betting in which the bettor, in order to win, must pick the first two finishers of a race, but not necessarily in the correct sequence." I'll take a look, I figured I'd be pushing on Mario Lemieux next.  RasputinAXP  c  13:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Mario Lemieux]] 

message: Why is there so little infomation on this? No history and basically no stats. Should there be info on Swedish_national_men's_ice_hockey_team, Finnish_national_men's_ice_hockey_team, Russian_national_men's_ice_hockey_team and Czech_national_ice_hockey_team about there placements? 83.166.19.29 17:46, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I don't know much about other than the copy at Euro Hockey Tour is blatant plagarism of . You are welcome to expand it. ccwaters 17:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Euro Hockey Tour]] 

message: I am proposing that the article Defenceman (ice hockey) be moved to Defenseman (ice hockey) and all instances of the word "Defenceman" when used for ice hockey be changed to "Defenseman". Reasons are outlined at the talk page at Talk:Defenceman (ice hockey) and the proposal has been posted to Wikipedia:Requested_moves --Jeff 15:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes: he proposed it, it was overwhelming opposed, and he is honoring that. The fire is out. No need to stoke it. No need to call in the reserves. REFERENCE: the comments directly above your comment. ccwaters 20:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, the issue of the page move has been resolved. The issue of the spelling in articles  is not. Jeff stated he'd change the spelling in NHL related articles to defenseman. 132.205.46.157 02:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The entire issue is indeed not closed, he has started a crusade.  -- JamesTeterenko 03:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh...ok. Do what you need to do then. Personally I really don't care: I have to check wich spelling that I'm supposed to use as an American. My only input into this: I'm all about letting the context of the article to decide the spelling. At National Hockey League, I would use the spelling that the NHL uses in official publications. That's without looking. ccwaters 13:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling of "Defenceman" 

message: wikiproject NFL has created a nice template to include on player-bios. I'm going to try and modify it so that it could be used for hockey. Is this a good idea?  I'll go ahead and create it and then let you guys tell me what you think --T-rex 04:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where can I see this template, how it would look, and how it would be applied to hockey?  Afterall most NHL players also played in junior, semi-pro, or in Europe, so they have a different development history than football's high shcool -> college -> pro.  Kevlar67 07:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You could just throw everything into the teams catagory so that development wouldn't be that important. I'm trying to make it more general hockey then just a specific NHL box.  The origional NFL box is here, and the hockey one I am working on is here, although it isn't close to being done yet. --T-rex 18:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The teams listing could get a lot more cluttered especially with journeymen. Add in minor league assignments/recalls frequently early in a player's career and its a mess. The whole idea is redundant assuming there's a career statistics table just below it in the article. ccwaters 18:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I'm going to go ahead and create it anyways, and let you guys decide if it ever gets used. --T-rex 04:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I dunno, looking at T-rex's draft template, it looks pretty good to me.  RGTraynor 20:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Player Template

message: So we've now got all sorts of AHL player and coach categories, but some of those feed into team categories with no team articles. Would anyone want to write stubs for these teams: Buffalo Bisons (AHL), Carolina Monarchs, Cornwall Aces, Erie Blades, New Haven Nighthawks, New Haven Ramblers, and Philadelphia Firebirds?--Mike Selinker 18:08, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you would like me to, I could make up an infobox for the defunct teams, like I did for the OHL & QMJHL. It would be kinda huge though, there's lotsa old teams out there. Flibirigit 22:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it's not like these articles are very long, so it seems like a good idea to me. If it was too big, it could be broken up geographically or by era or whatever.--Mike Selinker 23:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Created  infobox. Flibirigit 02:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good to me. Let's slap it all over these articles. (One note: Do the Cleveland Barons and Hamilton Bulldogs need some sort of disambiguator?)--Mike Selinker 06:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would write a disambiguation page only if there is enough substance to the articles to warrant that. For example, if you can only think of a few sentences for each incarnation of the Hamilton Bulldogs, its easier to put them on the same page. For something like Cleveland Barons I would suggest one page for the WHA/NHL Barons, and another page for the incarnations of the AHL Barons.Flibirigit 07:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Cleveland Barons, Cleveland Barons (1937-1972), and Cleveland Barons (NHL), Hamilton Bulldogs and Hamilton Bulldogs (1996-2002).  Keep them. The teams are separate entities. ccwaters 12:58, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I was unclear. All I meant was, in the infobox should it say "Cleveland Barons (1937-1972)" instead of just "Cleveland Barons"? I'd say yes. But I think the articles should stay exactly as they are.--Mike Selinker 21:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I would make that decision based on the number of players in the category. If there are not many players for one incarnation of a franchise name, combine them with the whole history of the franchise. Specifically for franchises that move or rename often.Flibirigit 11:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm.. that is an interesting thought.  Unfortunately, most of the AHL categories are fairly sparse right now.  So, existing article count might not be the greatest indicator.  This franchise existed for 16 years, so presumably there are quite a few notable players that either have or should have an article.  -- JamesTeterenko 16:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  defunct AHL team articles 

message: Wow, check out the edits at Eric Lindros. Am I over reacting there? ccwaters 11:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nope, I've got your back on that. Man. French-anglophone canadian politics irritates me.  RasputinAXP  c  15:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  I have added to my watchlist and will jump in if required.  -- JamesTeterenko 18:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Similarly.  RGTraynor 17:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Eric Lindros]]

message: Hi, I've just joined Wiki and am doing a few edits here and there in the hockey space (player bios).  The question I have is the use of last name only in the article. Such as "Gilmour did this..."...
I find the use of the last name only more of a fan thing and not very encyclopedic...can someone let me know where this is address and if there is a standard?  Thanks. KsprayDad 13:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, this conforms to the Manual of Style.  See here for further info.  -- JamesTeterenko 17:57, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I'll stop being anal about it! KsprayDad 20:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of Last Names Only

message: Could someone who understands the sport explain the rationale behind Icing (ice hockey)?  The page doesn't mention why it's a penalty, I assume it's like offsides in soccer or something....thanks! -- stillnotelf has a talk page 03:45, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I put in a paragraph about it. I remember reading about one particular game in the early years which really got the momentum going, but I didn't put that in cause I don't remember much about it besides it might have involved the Philadelphia Flyers. --Legalizeit 12:21, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! -- stillnotelf has a talk page 18:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Icing request 

message: Hah, I'm funny. Can we all keep an eye on , who's decided he needs to vandalize Wayne Gretzky and go around slapping his POV on every hockey article he feels like? A lot of us ran into him with the Lindros BS above, and he's clearly not going to change his ways.  RasputinAXP  c  12:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proverbial Icing Request 

message: I know nothing about Ice Hockey, but do all of the teams on Ontario Provincial Junior A Hockey League need their own article? What can be said about them that's encyclopedic and notable enough for wikipedia? The only content in all the ones I've looked at appears to be the team name, the fact they play in the league and their logo. That's nothing that can't be covered in the main article. exolon 22:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia offers an optimistic view for every stub created that someone will be able to expand on its content, and to help direct readers to other pages. In the best spirit of hockey we are dedicated to expanding the contributions of WikiProject Ice Hockey. Flibirigit 23:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that DMighton did a great job of creating a number of stub articles.  I absolutely think they should stay.  If you want to see a similar calibre league where the team articles have more content, check out Alberta Junior Hockey League.  These are also very recent creations.  It usually takes a while to grow an article, so please give it some time.  A stub is a great way to start.  -- JamesTeterenko 23:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Ummm, hi.  I was gonna come on hear and ask for someone to help me build templates for the different CJAHL Leagues, I don't know how to do it, and I'd appreciate it if someone would show me.  Exolon, it was I who created those stubs, and they will be built up... either by me or others.  I feel they are important and I feel that there presence will draw fans of those teams and/or league into expanding the articles.  Some of these teams have amazing histories, some spanning a century (see Durham Huskies).  I plan, time pending, that I will stub teams in a most of the Ontario leagues and CJAHL Leagues.  I am currently pursuing help on some of these more obscure leagues and as well anyone who has a knowledge the Quebec Junior AAA and AA leagues... and or any other classification of Quebec league there is (assuming there is any more) -- I need help.  I'm working as hard as I can on a series of CDN Jr. A, B, C, and Development leagues and any help on history, trophies, or champions would be much appreciated.  For a list of leagues I am actively working on and monitoring... feel free to view my page.  DMighton 06:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we need an article for every team? 

message: I recently wrote a short biography for Hap Emms. Would somebody familiar with hockey related biographies please add categories to this article and make necessary format changes. More contributions to the contest is appreciated. Thanks. Flibirigit 03:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd mention his tenure as GM of the Bruins, considering that Bobby Orr was signed on his watch.  I'd do it myself, but I'm at work and don't have access to the dates.  RGTraynor 15:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hap Emms 

message: Am I alone in thinking that it's annoying and unnecessary to have sporadic updates to players' year-by-year stats as the season progresses?  I'm of the opinion that the stats for a season should not be added until that season is complete, much like has been done with the List of NHL players with 1000 points article. Aottley 21:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What I think is that if sumone wants to update, then let him do it. paat 21:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I certainly find it annoying to have every little team and player page updated every bloody game, and it clogs up my watchlist, but I can't imagine what we could do about it.  There are busybodies who absolutely have to have their team's 2005-2006 statline updated every day, and they're going to do it whether it bothers the rest of us or not.  RGTraynor 21:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea i guess. Every game is too much. paat 22:46, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

text:  I've also found it quite frustrating when people update the season stats, but not the career totals. In fact I usually leave an angry edit summary when reverting it (if its an IP). I've had to revert that List of NHL players with 1000 points article dozens of time because IPs feel the need that it needs to be updated, and it screws up the whole process. There has got to be a way to solve this problem though, because Wikipedia's purpose isn't to provide up-to-date hockey statistics, if you want that go to HockeyDB.  Croat Canuck  00:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not unless selective copy protection blocks can be placed on particular sections, and copy blocking is a distasteful thing at best which should be reserved for persistent vandalism.  RGTraynor 15:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  A million little edits