Talk:The Crystal Maze

message: Hi, I've "been bold" and launched into splitting this article into two. I believe in so doing I have mostly addressed the "overly detailed" concern about the main article. I hope everyone is happy. It strikes me by the way, the main article has too little information about the games themselves!!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmch83 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split out design/production detail 

message: A few years ago, I tried adding an episode list (contestants names, crystals won, dome performance, etc) but was told that such information was not entirely necessary (in part due to its' sheer size). However, other lesser known/popular shows (e.g. Total Wipeout) have a full episode list on their article as opposed to TCM's cult status ("greatest UK game show of all time" in 2006 on ukgameshows.com). Is it worth adding an episode list now? Either in 'new article' or collapsable form'? I'm not talking anal detail but enough to sum up an episode. Any thoughts? Thanks :) db1987db (talk) 09:28, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Episode list 

message: Please DO NOT add any information which has not been offically confirmed (i.e. by ITV). Any unsourced/uncited additions will be removed. A revival has been rumoured for years now and this rumour should be taken with a pinch of salt until something more solid is announced. Thank you :) db1987db (talk) 13:44, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible 2010 revival 

message: "Arcade game" doesn't really describe
the Crystal Maze pub game (shown on this page: http://www.chatsworth-tv.co.uk/news.htm).  I'm not sure there is a more appropriate Wikipedia page which does describe these sorts of games
(similar to the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" pub game if you have seen that).  Richard W.M. Jones 15:25, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Link down at the moment, but found in Internet Archive.  That page doesn't make it clear that there are two different Crystal Maze gambling machine games.  One was on a standalone machine with a trackerball; the other is a purely touch-screen game found on itbox and the like. -- Smjg 12:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pub games machine 

message: There was a Crystal Maze game on Blackpool pleasure beach in summer 1992 - where you actually went round the zones, played games, and collected (virtual) crystals. But I can't remember enough about it to put it into the article. Any info would be well received! NickF 22:33, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, it was at Blackpool's Sand Castle (the indoor water park), located where the Grosvenor casino is now. It had various computer controlled games. The final crystal dome was a small version of the real one, with the inside covered in buttons which you had to press when they were lit. I can't remember much more than that though. Petersen 16:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is a Crystal Maze attraction like the one you described near Oakwood Theme Park in Wales. The official site is http://www.cc2000.info/, and there are some pictures at http://www.themeparkreview.com/uk2006/oakwood/oakwood4.htm. Although I have never seen the show, I got to try out this attraction this past summer. The attraction consisted of going through different zones and collecting crystals through team puzzles. The final dome was as described as above - pressing the buttons that lit up. WillMcC 20:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was another attraction exactly as described next to the Magnet Leisure Centre in Maidenhead, Berkshire. TheIslander 19:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blackpool pleasure beach game 

message: On entry you registered your "team" and were given a card to carry around with you.  When you were ready you put your card into the machine and the "host" which was a computerised face that wasn't like the host of the show greeted you, introduced himself and explained the game.  He then told you where you were to go first and you would follow the signs into the zones.  In each game, to collect the crystal(s) you had to press a button which would light to signify you had completed a challenge. Each crystal gave extra time in the dome.
There were three possible game modes: "Beginner" mode would give you 1 possible crystal per game, "intermediate" 3 crystals, and "expert" 6 crystals. You would lose the same corresponding number of crystals if you lost a challenge. There wasn't such a concept as a "lock in" where you could leave team members in exchange for crystals if you lost a challenge.
MEDIEVAL:
Suit of armour game:  One of your team would build a suit of armour on a computer by selecting the pieces shown in a picture.
FUTUREZONE:
Timebomb:  A mathematical game where the object was to answer questions (the answers were numbers) and advance towards a realistic looking timebomb which actually showed a countdown.  To deactivate the bomb you had to remember the numbers that were the answers to each question.  Once inputted, the "crystal" button would light up which you had to press to get the crystal.
Lander:  A simulator where you had to land a lunar lander on a moon/asteroid successfully
Pole game:  You entered a room with flourescent poles hanging from the ceiling.  The crystal button would light up and the object was the navigate between the poles to reach the crystal, without touching the poles.
AZTEC WORLD:  I can recall 3 games but i remember there being 4
Snake pit:  You entered a room with a small "pit" in front of you, the screen for the game shows that it is a snake's nest.  the object is to swing across the pit a certain amount of times to activate the crystal.  You had to press a button at either side of the pit to register you crossing.
Cave game: One of your team climbs into a small hole like a cave where they had to put their hand through holes and guess what they could feel.  Another member of the team would be outside and would select each item on a computer screen.
Aztec puzzle game:  One member of the team would climb up a ladder and another would be at the bottom.  On 2 separate computer screens they had to swap pieces and build a puzzle each. *edit - I believe that this game was a simulation of the real Crystal maze "blowpipe" game where the person would have to be guided as to which pipes contained the most sand.
INDUSTRIAL ZONE:
Tarantula's Lair.  One of the team climbs into the "lair" and has to climb netting a ropes over a mock giant tarantula and find the crystal button.
Magnetic game: Drop steel balls into a hole in the middle of a glass dome.
Caterpillar game: At the top of the zone was a game very similar to "snake" where you had to guide a caterpillar to eat the correctly coloured mushrooms before the time ran out
CRYSTAL DOME:
Once you had been in the game for a certain amount of time (the quicker you complete games the more games you get to play), you are told to report to the crystal dome.  Based on the number of crystal you win, just like the show you get a certain amount of time.  In the dome there are red and green buttons.  the green buttons were the crystals, the red were skulls.  You lost points every time you pressed a skull.  There were no prizes as it was all about getting a high score and having your team name proudly displayed on the leaderboards.
There was at least one competition where teams won trophies and prizes (such as a replica crystal). The competition was split into adult and under 16 teams.
"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.143.143.162 (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Sandcastle Blackpool: Crystal Maze 

message: The revised reference to dick and dom is long enough, many thanks to User:Shaft121 for adding it but please dont revert again. Have a look at the other references and the rest of the page in general and you'll see what I mean. It isnt important to describe in minute detail what D&D actually did, a very brief description and why it is significant is more than adequate. I suggest you add more detail on the talk page if you wish. You could also use edit summaries if you want to be taken more seriously. I would also refer you to the editing mantra, "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it". There is a big difference between editing and reverting. Deiz 11:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references 

message: Even though I haven't seen the show myself, I have seen a similar show where the games take place at a certain location, and also a game show: Legends of the Hidden Temple from Nickelodeon. I am starting to see some similarities between these two, but does anyone who have seen either or both? --Seishirou Sakurazuka 22:43, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Any resemblance to LOTHT?

message: I watched, to some extent, probably every series that was broadcast on Channel 4, and definitely every series since the Ocean zone was introduced (by which time I was following it closely).  There, it was always called Ocean - there was never a zone called Aquatic.  If ever it was, then the series being broadcast on Challenge TV must be one that never made it to Channel 4.
Also, in several places it talks of a "Future" zone.  It was always called Futuristic when I watched it. -- Smjg 23:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There was never an Oceanic zone when I watched it either. -- Smjg 12:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was Industrial until series 5 then it was changed to Ocean and was never ever renamed again. Although if the series wasn't canceled the Futuristic zone would have changed its name. Unisouth 09:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clear this up, the Futuristic zone was always called Futuristic, and the Industrial zone changed to Ocean at the beginning of series four.  This was also Richard O'Brien's last series. Goldbringer 19:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The purported alternative name "Future" has come back again.  I see now a mention that it was renamed "Future" for a one-off special.  Even so, labelling it "Futuristic/Future Zone" in the breakdown of zones is only going to confuse people, and so I'm removing it.  I think it suffices to mention the renaming for a one-off special where it's mentioned. — Smjg (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ocean/Aquatic 

message: According to the article, the first five of these were in England and the sixth in Japan. It then mentions one in Wales. Is this a seventh, or is it (incorrectly) included among the five "in England"? You're playing with fire if you're suggesting Wales is in England! -Multivitamin 08:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't agree with it, change it!  Thats what Wikipedia is about.  Goldbringer 21:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, I don't know whether the one in Wales is an additional one or one of the original six, so I can't change it accurately. I was hoping someone else would know. -Multivitamin 12:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

text: "Most of the Cyberdrome Crystal Mazes have since closed, as children are no longer familiar with the show."
Is this Cyberdrome's excuse or the guess of whoever wrote it here?  And did they really lose that much business since the people (whether born in the 50s or the 80s) who followed the show have aged?  I'm especially surprised if young adults who remember the show and wanted to experience it had become that few and far between. -- Smjg 13:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry Mulitivitamin, I misunderstood your original point!  Just thought it was another nationalist rant... Goldbringer 23:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Crystal Maze cyberdomes

message: I took this like out as it doesnt really seem important enough to be considered a cultural reference and was added by someone at the college and seems like self-promotion.
'On May 11, 2007, the show will provide the theme for Pembroke College's annual summer ball. Attended by Richard O'Brien himself, the college will be divided into each of the Crystal Maze's four zones and themed accordingly.' 
--Neon white 20:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with you there. 134.36.126.47 01:49, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edited Cultural references 

message: Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that the mystery games are a class of their own, generally of some puzzle which involves finding clues to get the crystal - they may have had physical, skill or mental parts to them but it doesn't seem like 'mystery' means it is a random selection of the other three. "Games were classed as 'physical', 'mental', 'skill' or 'mystery' (the latter being one of the other three)." If this is the case then this needs changing.
Fizzyfifi 20:29, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think it's just worded badly. As i understand it, the mystery games were games that didnt fit into the other three catagories and possibly combined elements of the other three. More often than not they do seem to be puzzles similar to some mental games. --Neon white 18:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think they were a bit of both, some mystery games were exclusive to the category, and others were taken from the other categories. -- Smjg 21:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mystery dames

message: Unsourced trivia removed from article:
===Trivia===
One memorable episode from series one when a woman fell in the thick black muddy water with an aplomb which had the crystal inside, that episode was first shown on March 22, 1990. Then another memorable episode from series two when before and after the credit start to roll a message said "In Loving Memory of Jacques Antoine" that was seen on June 6, 1991 but Jacques Antoine is not really dead.
The show was shot as a drama, with the actual games taking place on the first day. The contestants were then invited back to redo the games on the following day (without the presence of the presenter) to do pick-up shots and close-ups of the games. Thus explaining why there were shots of the interior of the Crystal Dome from the inside during the finale of each show.
The gold and silver tokens often had to be recut for each episode as the contestants would often take some home for souvenirs.
In the latter series, when the production moved to the Aces High Studios site, the surrounding aircraft hangars were still in use and production sometimes had to be stopped as planes were quite audiable going overhead. Although this was sometimes incorporated into the show if, say, the contestants were in the Aztec Zone; O'Brien on one occasion looked skyward and announced it was "Mumsy's drinks delivery coming in".
Host O'Brien was quite musical on his rounds, often producing a harmonica to play while the teams were embroiled in the games. On a few occasions there was a piano in the Medeval Zone where he'd bang out a tune for the audience.
There was a 'hand-over' scene between O'Brien and Tudor-Pole in the 1993 Christmas Special. The episode pre-titles featured O'Brien writing a note to the new keeper of the maze before getting on a motorbike with Mumsy to ride out of the Medeval Zone. A hand came into shot (Tudor-Pole's) and picked up the note just as the titles ran.
Deiz talk 10:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: One memorable episode from series one when a woman fell in the thick black muddy water with an aplomb which had the crystal inside, that episode was first shown on March 22, 1990. Then another memorable episode from series two when before and after the credit start to roll a message said "In Loving Memory of Jacques Antoine" that was seen on June 6, 1991 but Jacques Antoine is not really dead.
The show was shot as a drama, with the actual games taking place on the first day. The contestants were then invited back to redo the games on the following day (without the presence of the presenter) to do pick-up shots and close-ups of the games. Thus explaining why there were shots of the interior of the Crystal Dome from the inside during the finale of each show.
The gold and silver tokens often had to be recut for each episode as the contestants would often take some home for souvenirs.
In the latter series, when the production moved to the Aces High Studios site, the surrounding aircraft hangars were still in use and production sometimes had to be stopped as planes were quite audiable going overhead. Although this was sometimes incorporated into the show if, say, the contestants were in the Aztec Zone; O'Brien on one occasion looked skyward and announced it was "Mumsy's drinks delivery coming in".
Host O'Brien was quite musical on his rounds, often producing a harmonica to play while the teams were embroiled in the games. On a few occasions there was a piano in the Medeval Zone where he'd bang out a tune for the audience.
There was a 'hand-over' scene between O'Brien and Tudor-Pole in the 1993 Christmas Special. The episode pre-titles featured O'Brien writing a note to the new keeper of the maze before getting on a motorbike with Mumsy to ride out of the Medeval Zone. A hand came into shot (Tudor-Pole's) and picked up the note just as the titles ran.
Deiz talk 10:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: Summary: "rm how-to guide about cyberdrome".  Firstly, that wasn't a how-to guide.  It was a list of differences between Cyberdrome and the show, IMO a perfectly valid set of information.  Secondly, even if somebody thinks it's too much detail, removing it altogether is not the answer.  We certainly should at least touch on the differences rather than leaving people to think it's more or less a replica. -- Smjg 13:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If Cyberdrome is notable, by all means verify that with reliable sources. Right now you're treading some very tangential, trivial, unverified ground. Given that there were a grand total of 6 cyberdromes, 5 of which are now apparently closed, I think you're really pushing the definition of "encyclopedic" to the limits. In any case, unverfied information can be removed on sight and absent of sources a lot of this article could quite legitimately be removed. Don't get me wrong, I wrote a lot of this article, albeit a while ago, but have a far greater appreciation of how important sourcing on WP is these days. I'll give any interested parties a few days to source the article before having a look at the trivia and spin-off info again. Deiz talk 14:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  First things first, what notability criteria can we use to assess Cyberdrome?  I don't think how many there are/were is a criterion, at least in itself - for example, there is only one Alton Towers as far as I know.  Moreover, why did somebody bother writing "Five of the first six locations" if no more were subsequently opened? -- Smjg 15:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal by [[User:Deiz|Deiz]] 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Crystalmazebike.jpg

message: On the main page, it says Series 6 was transmitted from 18/05/1995 - 31/08/1995 but that doesn't make 13 weeks. Does anyone know what the transmission dates were and if there were any number of weeks break in between episodes, the reasons why?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.2.107 (talk) 12:36, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Series 6 transmission dates 

message: Is it worth compiling a list of the different games that contestants face? --Cpl Syx (talk) 16:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are four zones, with about six rooms each and six different series, plus games were changed mid-series, totalling around 277 games. I got this from one of the links on the main article, so maybe you could use that, bit it would be a very long list! Mpvide65 (talk) 12:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of games 

message: The painful description of the zones map ("a black background with zones formed from unfilled coloured lines...") makes baby rabbits cry. A screenshot would easily qualify as fair use here. Hint, hint. — Hex (❝?!❞) 05:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added maps for both series 1-3 and 4-6. The original descriptions were written by me before I registered as a user and I don't think they're that bad! Mpvide65 (talk) 19:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map 

message: Should a "Controversy" section be added to the article? I think so, because clearly, in a few episodes contestants audibly swear (e.g. in episode 2 of series 1, contestant Marcia Scott clearly said "shit" in frustration while trying to figure out where the first "S" in the word "Spaniards" went during the "Montezuma's Blocks" game, somewhere about nearly a minute into that game) without any censoring being applied, something that Challenge has not rectified. Besides, in such instances of swearing, Richard had to remind the contestant who swore that the show is for the family. Visokor (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That's hardly controversial.  I thought you were going to mention cheating or some such.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bad language is considerably controversial if such bad words are said on a family show. Visokor (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  At best it's trivia which doesn't merit an entry either.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think it's mandatory to have such a section applied. And if u don't like it, contact Challenge.Visokor (talk) 16:27, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Eh?  Why should I contact Challenge over your desire to introduce a section into Wikipedia?  I still disagree.  If you can reliably source articles which state swearing on The Crystal Maze is controversial, then you may have your mandatory segment and I will back down.  Until then, there's no valid grounds for the addition.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:12, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: How's this for proof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E3XUgAtegA Listen close and listen hard during the "Montezuma's Blocks" game and you'll see. Visokor (talk) 16:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Youtube is not a reliable source, and anyway we're not discussing the existence of swearing, but whether it counts as being controversial or not.  Neither you nor I are reliable sources, so until you find such a source on the web stating that such behaviour is controversial it has no place on Wikipedia.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:35, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: If this little argument isn't controversy, I don't know what is!  (User:Frankymole) 19:15, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should a "Controversy" section to the article be added? 

message: Why must each one of these files be included? Werieth (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: images that have been struck through have a consensus that they are not required for the article
* :File:Crystal Maze Series 1.jpg
* :File:Crystal Maze Series 3.jpg
** From a random sample of entries for significant TV programmes, there appears to be a convention to use one image of the show's most recent graphic identity. Therefore I'm content for one of the two images to be lost, but only one, and at the moment it's the wrong one - the "Series 3" identity is obviously the more recent and used for the final four series out of the total of six. Cmch83 (talk) 21:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Files that where used 

message: I'm rather surprised to see this article has been marked up as "too long". While I've obviously put a lot of energy into growing this article in recent months, I've also been very careful to try to keep it tight, and I've deleted my own edits a number of times when on reflection they weren't tight enough. I've even separated out design and production detail sections into a separate article. Basically, I don't believe the article now is too long at all. It was a game show with an interesting conception, very complicated rules, a huge array of games to try to cover, a hugely ambitious and elaborate set, innovative hosting, lots of side stories, which generated an array of statistics, which was hugely successful and critically acclaimed and ran for six years, and spawned merchandise, replicas and assorted cultural references. Of course the Wikipedia article about it is going to be on the long side. But it's considerably shorter than the article about Coronation Street, I notice. Also - there is no website or book out there providing wide coverage of this show... this Wikipedia entry really is the definitive source of information about the show, with a lot of information that has been very painstakingly and very intelligently pieced together from a lot of different sources and edited down and organised well.
As I'm still working on the article, I'm quite keen not to have my future work deleted. Could the editor(s) with the concerns about length please help me (and us all) out by highlighting where you think the article could be pared down? Thanks a lot. Cmch83 (talk) 00:41, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the real concern I had was "too detailed" rather than too long per se.  Does an encyclopaedic article on this subject really need such trivia as what the contestants wore in each series, who 'Mumsey' was dating, or that O'Brien was going to play "excitement music"?  Some of that may well be original research, too.  Most of the detail can already be found from the single site that the article *extensively* references in any case.  Perhaps I should have tagged the article as / or ? I think I'll remove the "too long" tag and replace it with those... Stephenb (Talk) 06:55, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: A few months later, I think I've basically done all I can do on this article now. I've cleaned it up quite carefully, removed a few of the more esoteric details and tightened up the length of the writing in places. I've also added good references from The Guardian and The Independent, and taken out one of the less "reliable" sources previously used. Anyone who puts back any tags regarding the sourcing of this article should really take account of the relative paucity of the source material. Although the subject matter is clearly notable, the Internet footprint for this early 1990s (i.e. pre-Internet) TV show is really limited... Theoretical best-case Wikipedia policy guidance really needs to be interpreted realistically when it comes to this particular article. Cmch83 (talk) 12:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article too long?!?

message: The in-depth description of what looks like every game on the show is far too detailed for an encyclopedic overview of the show itself. In addition, the referencing for the aforementioned is nothing short of a mess. Despite every single game type having a seperate reference they all go to exactly the same website (just with a different "challenge" page), and the site itself is a non-notable fansite, which can't be used as a reliable source. References are designed to back up a point, not to list every challenge; case in point:
Many mental games required some kind of logical pattern to be correctly constructed, most commonly from either tiles, pieces, cubes or sliding disks provided.[122][123][124][125][126][127][128][129][130][131][132][133][134][135][136][137][138]
As such, I'll go through the games section and trim it down to provide an overview of the types of challenge for the four types. SynergyBlades (talk) 17:07, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Kudos for that. This entire segment is far too indepth for anyone but the ardent fans of the show, and WP isn't a fansite. Thumbs up for this work :) Justin.Parallax (talk) 17:14, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done the above, and also done a reorganisation for clarity and readability, and merged the overly-detailed sections into the top section, "Format". SynergyBlades (talk) 20:16, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many references and overly-detailed 

message: The Guardian is reporting that David Tennant is not hosting the revival, contrary to this article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.11.108.74 (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Crystal for old Time Lords 

message: It's supposed to give a short overview in one or two paragraphs, but this repeats information found in the main body of the article and is 5 paragraphs long. It need trimming right back.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.29.194 (talk) 07:51, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm actually thinking of giving the page a massive overhaul.Emrabt (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is my suggested idea, reordered the layout, removed repeated content and tidied a few things up.  input welcome. Emrabt (talk) 15:22, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  as a first draft I like it but the formatting is a wrong in places, the first half of the page is much better, IMO it flows better.  You've done a lot of work on the page recently, you might want to take a look at this suggested layout.Jasonandyawegunorts (talk) 06:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

text: Much Better than the current layout Dogmenofthemoon (talk) 13:28, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: The lede is far too long

message: This BBC article is really fascinating and contains a lot of info on the design that goes into the zones and how they were built so I thought it would be useful for someone to expand the article! Good luck!
*http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40354288 Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 09:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  Good find! I've sourced some bits on the page using this. 16:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Useful resource 

message: should we mention the Jailer from the celeb special this Friday gone? Visokor (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: It would be undue weight to mention a character that's only appeared in one task in one episode. I think as it is characters like Mumsey are mentioned in too much detail in the article. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 21:50, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  jailer 

message: I think we need to start by explaining the issues we have with each others version of this section, My Main problem with this is in the first half which reads, in one long run on sentence which jumps from explaining the dome itself to explaining the Table the:
"This is designed to be a 16-foot-high (4.9 m) giant replica of one of the show's time crystals, and situated within the centre of the Maze, with a special table designed to hold the crystals that the team had acquired that the host stood close to, with each crystal's space having a light under it that switched off in the style of a count down to indicate when an increment of five seconds had passed."
I think we need to come to a compromise which breaks this down a little, while keeping all the information intact. I'm not liking the "in the style of a count down" because it's not in the style of, it actually is a countdown timer, we have described the "timers" the zones use, so calling this a timer fits with the rest of the article. Also Rather than special table, i tihnk we can come up with something elsea bit more discriptive, If the 'control panel' idea isn't liked perhaps.... Hexagonal table, or Hexagonal podium?79.75.0.42 (talk) 07:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Crystal Dome Section. 

message: Hello!  Where do we put the likes of Ralph the Butler whose character is mentioned by Richard but not seen? --195.89.49.9 (talk) 15:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Nowhere. They are parts of the back-story of the supporting character, Mumsey. There is nothing notable about discussing them outside of the sub-section of Host that details them, albeit in a simple amount of detail. GUtt01 (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

text: They are mentioned in the mumsey section, there is no need to expand beyond this. they were characters Richard made up over 20 years ago and are not needed in the current article. 79.75.0.42 (talk) 16:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other off-screen characters 

message: should Heather Grimes be mentioned regarding the revived series? she actually stated she'd competed in the original series once... Visokor (talk) 20:55, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Heather Grimes 

message: Both the original and revival series was 1 hour including ads. The original series had between 14 and 16 games per episode, while the revival series has 10 games per episode. Does this mean that there are extra ads in the revival series? Mobile mundo (talk) 17:25, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the games are just longer. Could also be more stuff inbetween the games. 86.9.181.76 (talk) 11:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, there is more time spent in advertising breaks, this was confirmed in internet articles/journalism by the production company when explaining the revised format. Frankymole (talk) 13:40, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible extra ads in revival series 

message: Just watching the crystal maze and browsing the article on it at the same time, I noticed this can't be correct:
"The number of games that can be played is reduced to 10 - two in the first and last zone, and three in the other two zones."
The last episode of the series has three games played in the first industrial zone: clocks, split guttering and crystal guide along the pipe. I don't know what the general formula is though.
:It is always 10 games but you are right that it isn't always 2, 3, 3, 2. It is always 2 games in 2 zones and 3 games in the other 2 zones but the order varies. --Prh47bridge (talk) 21:31, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Show format in revival series 

message: I suspect that at least some of this section refers to the original run, not to the revived version. For example, I would be very surprised if the budget for an episode is the same in 2017 as it was in 1990 but this section states that each episode has a £125,000 budget. An update is needed, either to introduce the facts for the new run or to make it clearer. --Prh47bridge (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Filming 

message: There are three episodes recorded for the revived (Richard Ayoade-presented) series 1, which have not been shown on British television yet (as of October 2018).  They were not shown as part of the 2017 run or in 2018, but have been mentioned on the Crytal Maze TV official Facebook page.  Is it possible to show this somehow in the "number of episodes" table?  Perhaps there needs to be a footnote, but I am not sure of the best way to present this information. Frankymole (talk) 13:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unshown / Missing episodes 

message: Despite the change I made being reverted, I' sure the correct spelling of Zack's surname is "Laurence". Even the end credits on the show spell it this way.
Screenshot: http://imgbox.com/S8THzixX
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGlMjh5g4sc&t=2931
Crystal Maze official channel (©Banijay Group 2018):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Fj33A7O3kzdeXp0jVgi-g/about
Crystal Maze credits for Zack Laurence:
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1289596/
https://licensingapp.unippm.se/#!/composers/Composers%20Q-Z/zack-laurence.aspx
Mike20021969 (talk) 07:43, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crystal Maze Theme 

message: So this article makes the claim that it was created after the producers had seen Fort Boyard (game show), and decided to make a British version. However the dates don't appear to line up. Crystal Maze first aired Feb 1990. Fort Boyard first aired July 1990. They can't have seen Fort Boyard first and come up with The Crystal Maze, the dates don't work. Can anyone explain what is going on here? I also noticed that on both articles the date and origins are not sourced, so I couldn't even check those. Canterbury Tail talk 20:44, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fort Boyard 

message: Nickelodeon has wrapped up filming the U.S. version and it has been reported that Adam Conover will be the Maze Master. Will a new page be created for this once a confirmation date for episodes have been released?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.196.1.74 (talk) 07:21, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  U.S. version