Talk:Isle of Lewis/Archive 2

message: The article was in a bit of a sad state, especially when compared to other places, like Skye. So, I've decided to tart it up a bit. The existing headings have been made more appropriate and sometimes split out into more useful categories. New headings have also been added. Where my knowledge is (imho) good enough, I've tried to tweak things or add. Where I know it to be deficient, I have left basic entries which need to be smartened just a bit (eg nature or myths and legends). I have put language into a section of its own incorporating both the English-Gaelic thing and the Norse place names. I have put Religion in a separate heading also. Please feel free to fiddle with this. All my edits today are in good faith (with legitimate reasons for not logging in, but would rather not go into those). 213.86.213.196 15:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As no objections were raised, I combined both of these ideas and made one table showing the list of villages by location. Please feel free to add, remove, edit, fiddle etc. It clearly shows which villages are lacking articles, so maybe they should be commenced. 213.86.213.196 11:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tidied Up a Bit 

message: This bit needs a monumental clean-up. Why are some bits in bold and some not? Would it be better to list the areas and then have a separate list of villages which shows the area they belong to? If no one objects, I'd be happy to attempt something like that. The current layout looks rather messy. Note, this does not question the factual accuracy (or not) of the content of this part of the article. 213.86.213.196 15:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As no objections were raised, I combined both of these ideas and made one table showing the list of villages by location. Please feel free to add, remove, edit, fiddle etc. It clearly shows which villages are lacking articles, so maybe they should be commenced. 213.86.213.196 11:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parishes and Districts 

message: While looking up nature in Lewis on the net, it looks like there is a LOT of information. While some expansion can be done within this article, perhaps it would be a good idea to set up a separate article regarding Nature in Lewis (or the Outer Hebrides in general)? Any opinions? (While keeping what's currently there, or what can be reasonably edited from that) 213.86.213.196 09:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature 

message: Several sections of this article need expanding.
* Arts
* Education (Andrewrpalmer 13:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Noted expansions - MRM 05:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Added Education and Industry to the list 213.86.213.196 08:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion 

message: I think that roughly the amount we have in the article is appropriate; however, Lewis has a lot more history than that. Should we open up a new article about the history of Lewis? Or perhaps the history of the Outer Hebrides? I think it would have a lot of potential. So as not to duplicate functions here and in any new article, is there anyone out there who would feel able to either significantly expand on what is already in this article, but in a new one, or to add further events? I would be happy to create the page, set it up and link it appropriately if relevant (unless someone beats me to it), but cannot claim enough knowledge to write the article MRM 17:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I've checked through the various languages, and where appropriate, deleted the flag. It was present in French, Esperanto and Catalan. If you are coming here to see the discussion on the flag, as recommended, please note that the flag discussion has now been archived and is pretty much accepted as a fake. It is advisable not to use it in an encyclopaedic article unless some official proof of its existence can be found. MRM 08:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: Little note for anyone reading the discussion on the UK Place infobox... As of today (3 June 07), no consensus has been reached on that discussion page; however, it appears to be heading in the direction of using the Scottish island infobox for the islands and the UK Place one for anywhere else; however, it also states that the places on the islands should use the UK Place one. As such, until (and unless) any consensus is reached, I suggest we leave the Lewis one as it is because Lewis is only part of the island, with Harris being the other part.MRM 18:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Place infobox has a lot of information that isn't particularly relevant, and I think the map is the worst bit, it should be shaded somehow (like the island infobox maps) rather than being the dot on Stornoway.  I'll knock up a Scottish island infobox version and put it here so we can see what it looks like? Andrewrpalmer 09:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

text: 18489 is the 2001 figure for the wards on Lewis, my original one was using the 1991 figures - hence the discrepancy! Andrewrpalmer 15:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm all for the new suggestion for the infobox, but you may want to include a language entry including Gd and En to avoid a recurrence of an old edit war that the current one helped sort out. Also, all the other new edits today, top notch. :) MRM 17:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The UK Place one isn't too bad actually, just the map is a poor representation, I've asked the UK Place folks if/how we can use something that shows the island's area more clearly: Template_talk:Infobox_UK_place#Isle_of_Lewis.2FHarris Andrewrpalmer 11:24, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: * I've done a little tidying in response to the article rating, but there's still plenty to do if anyone wants a go. See the to-do box above and the article rating for more info... MRM 16:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article rating 

message: The nature section is becoming a little large; it can only take so much more expanding (particularly reptile and insect sections) before a new article is needed.MRM 21:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nature 

message: I am putting forward a proposal in the talk page of Lewis that Lewis be moved to "Isle of Lewis" and the disambig page moved to Lewis (or just no article at "Lewis"). This is because of an endless stream of people vandalising the "isle of lewis" article with messages for friends called "Lewis". If you are interested, please comment on the Lewis talk page. This will not be done unilaterally.MRM 11:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Other similar pages do just as well, with just a direct to a disambiguation page... --MacRusgail 14:30, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: I disagree too. Vandalism of this nature isn't all that common on this article, and I don't think we should be letting vandals dictate how we name articles. Lurker (said · done) 16:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Moving Lewis would be a major undertaking. So we need to ensure that the results are worthwhile. Perhaps we can move it somewhere sunnier. That would help tourism. We could put it off the coast of Gibraltar perhaps. -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Legend has it the Vikings tried to tow it to Scandinavia, but I'd vote for nearer Malta. ;-) MRM 20:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relocation Proposal 

message: Just wondering where the information for the bit about Lewis being named after some Norse name for poet came from. I've never come across that before and just Googling around found only one site that this little fact, but i suspect it has just harvested info of the wikipedia article. . So i suspect some circular information here. Does anyone have a real reference for the origin of the name? The Ljóðhús / Poet thing seems suspect to me anyway, Leod is thought as being the Norse name Ljótr, meaning ugly. see Clan MacLeod for reference/citation. I've seen a Gaelic origin for Lewis as well, something meaning swampy ground.. or something. I'll look for a reference.--Celtus 05:04, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Found it. Martin Martin. A Description of the Western Isles of Scotland. (1703). Online version here. Here's the relevant quote: "THE Island of Lewis is so called from Leog, which in the Irish language signifies water, lying on the surface of the ground; which is very proper to this island, because of the great number of fresh-water lakes that abound in it."--Celtus 06:55, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: From BBC News Online. Wind farm isle's wealth of history 2007-12-13. Quote: "The island's name is derived from "Leog" which is Irish Gaelic for water lying on the surface, possibly referring to the large numbers of inland lochs on this relatively low-lying island."--Celtus 07:06, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Link: H. J. B. Birks, Barbara J. Madsen. "Flandrian Vegetational History of Little Loch Roag, Isle of Lewis, Scotland". The Journal of Ecology, Vol. 67, No. 3 (Nov., 1979), pp. 825-842. Quote: "The name Lewis derives from the Gaelic Leogach (pronounced 'Looach'), meaning boggy or marshy."--Celtus 08:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Etymology

message: I'm thinking that maybe "Peats" should not be on a par with "History" or "Culture" but a sub-heading of something else. I would suggest culture, but am not certain. Any views? Also, should we trim it a bit? Most of the info is likely to be in the "Peat" article.MRM 07:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing in the Geography section about the underlying rock mostly being covered by peat, which there probably should be, so maybe in there?  I don't think there is much duplicate information, the present section is all about peat and its uses on Lewis so should be OK. Andrewrpalmer 08:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My suggestion is to take 'Industry' our of Geography, create a new section on 'Economy and Transport' or something similar, and add Peat to that as s sub-section. Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 19:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both of those sound reasonable, although I'd tend towards the Economy and Transport option.MRM 21:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm happy with Economy/Transport too, I hadn't really thought about the whole article's structure Andrewrpalmer 22:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Peats - relocation within article 

message: I've had a go at rewriting some sections and reordering them, new version is in my userspace at User:Andrewrpalmer/Lewis, comments welcome. Not quite finished, still need to add some citations (found a couple of relevant books) and I'm not a fan of all the bulleted lists still there. Andrewrpalmer 16:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems fine to me. I'm responsible for many of those bulleted lists, and I wasn't too happy with them either ;-) But was short of time and seemed to be alone in editing at the time. MRM 17:16, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't been through it in detail, but it looks OK to me too.Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 13:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Up now with the references, copyedit/fix away Andrewrpalmer 11:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for all the hard work, it looks pretty decent so far. MRM 13:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposed move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the move debate was no consensus for a move. – Axman (☏) 12:30, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-order/rewrite 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support, as nom. – Axman (☏) 15:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to disagree that there is another place more notable than the Scottish isle, regardless of where on is on the globe. Reginmund (talk) 02:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey