Talk:Great Highland bagpipe

message: Proposal:  change capitalization of title to "Great highland bagpipe" (as it is not a proper noun).  Badagnani 07:28, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A fair point, but in practice most of the literature does capitalise it.  I know I always do. Calum 12:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

text: As for me, I was disappointed to discover that this article did not concern an operetta set in Scotland.--Wetman (talk) 21:29, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Capitalization of title

message: I'm a bit leery of an unqualified mention of Pakistan's GHB manufacture. I've known a few people who have bought GHB pipes made in Pakistan and have found that not only are they unplayable but cannot be made playable by a qualified pipe maker. I have personally heard pipe maker Jerry Gibson warn neophytes about purchasing pipes from Pakistan since there is no way of ensuring you'll get a playable or even fixable set. Then there's this article from The Piper's :Review where a restorer tries to make a Uilleann set of Pakistani origin playable. See also this post from pipe maker Tim Britton, discussing his experiences trying to make Pakistani pipes playable. The usual conclusion is that they have little value beyond decoration. 
None of this, of course, means that there aren't any legitimate Pakistani pipe makers producing playable pipes, but (1) most Pakistani pipes on sale in various outlets don't name their maker at all, making it hard to know what you're getting (and sometimes the country of origin isn't mentioned at all, particularly on eBay), and (2) completely unplayable pipes appear to be common enough that players without substantial expertise in judging the wheat from the chaff are generally advised to avoid pipes of Pakistani origin altogether, and similarly for flutes. 
In order to avoid discussing this tangential issue in the article, I'd like to suggest removing the parenthetical comment. I don't think the comment could stand without a discussion of quality. --Craig Stuntz 18:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with that - in any case, I don't beleive that the size of the industry in Pakistan is in fact larger than in Scotland.  There are actually a few decent makers over there (GHB making isn't rocket science, after all), but the mjority are just turning out sticks with holes in them.  Calum 17:29, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pakistani pipes 

message: A weakness of paper encyclopedias is that they are merely written. Wikipedia is not on paper, so it doesn't need to have that limitation. For example, when introducing musical instruments, wouldn't it make sense for a reader to be able to hear samples of the instrument played? It was for this reason that I added (back in April) external links to two internet streaming radio sites on the "bagpipe" page (which actually belonged here). Somebody assumed they were spam, but they weren't: I have no affiliation with either site. I read WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided before posting, and none of those criteria seemed to fit my additions. Also considering Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_mirror_or_a_repository_of_links.2C_images.2C_or_media_files, I only included two such links. But of course there were so many other kinds of links already that mine got indiscriminately deleted with the bunch. Before I consider reposting them in this article, I wanted to hear from others why such external links should or should not be included, given my reason for wanting to include them. and_e_r 16:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the GHB page has a link to Bagpipe Web Directory - Exhaustive link directory, and since that page has links to plenty of places to hear bagpipe music on its "Broadcast" page, I've decided that there's no reason for me to add such links here. Someone, not reading this Talk page, might assume the links are spam and remove them anyway. and_e_r 14:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A better solution might be uploading some sound files here.  I don't have a clue what counts as fair use, but if anyone does and is willing to do the editing, I will happily rip a few representative tracks and email them for inclusion on this page or any of the other pages (I can provide GHB/Border/smallpipes/Uilleann/Northumbrian for anyone who is enthusiastic enough ;) Calum 21:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: This paragraph deals almost exclusively with a description of Ceòl Mor. 
It should be replaced by a short description of Ceòl Mor, Ceòl Beag and Ceòl Meadhonach with links to the relevant Wiki pages; and the present text should be merged into  the Ceòl Mor page.
Renaud OLGIATI (talk) 10:08, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Music

message: As a musician and editor, I think this article really needs some work seeing how many people come to this page for info.  I've re-written the intro, added some basic early history, partially to cut off any romantic misinformation about the bagpipes in general being a uniquely Scottish instrument of thousands of years' heritage (as opposed to 600-700 years).  Still, more cleanup would be great.
Among the glaring issues:  lots of pipe band content, almost nothing about Pìobaireachd.  Anyone got at least a little info on that so that new readers understand the GHB has a use outside of marching around in kilts?  Some more history would be great, especially explaining when Pìobaireachd and military uses diverged, when the pipes made their way into the Brit Army, etc. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:30, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really needs work, and it gets 6000 hits a month! 

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message: The Design section includes the following sentence:
"It has a range from one whole tone lower than the tonic to one octave above it (in piper's parlance: "Low G, Low A, B, C, D, E, F, High G, and High A"; the C and F should be called sharp but this is invariably omitted).*"
Does that asterisk refer to something in the article? If so, I can't find it. If not, it suggests to me that the entire sentence, and maybe more, was copied from somewhere else and the copier forgot to remove the asterisk.
John Link (talk) 09:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  To what does the asterisk refer? 

message: A 2008 book review in the Guardian seems highly pertinent. Cassandra
"In a new [2008] book 'Bagpipes - a National Collection of a National Instrument' to be published by the National Museums of Scotland, Hugh Cheape, a leading Gaelic historian and expert piper, argues that the origins of the instrument have been confused by decades of mythology and deliberate invention; even, he hints, by deception."
"Like most tartan regalia and the modern kilt, the great Highland bagpipe and many of its traditions known worldwide were manufactured by the Scots middle classes in the early 1800s in their romantic quest to rediscover their past."
"The written and received history of the great Highland bagpipe reflects in many of its parts the triumph of sentiment over fact ... an orthodoxy has emerged from surprisingly modest origins in the first half of the 19th century and it was elaborated by repetition, speculation and guesswork in the second,"  Cassandrathesceptic (talk) 14:03, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: After all these years you still fail to appreciate or to accept what Wikipedia article talk pages are for. Cheape is authorative, his book is comprehensive and well-researched and the views as expressed in this review are compelling. Typically though you have not related any of this to the actual content of this article or its improvement, the purpose of this page. Does any of the content of this article perpetuate any of the mythology referred to in the review as being covered in the book? As you have cited the review rather than the book itself, it's a fair assumption you haven't read the latter so can't comment. Nonetheless, you just assume that the mythologies perpetuated in the common perception of the subject are also perpetuated here, without even knowing what they are. How bad faith is that? This is not a forum for uninformed and baseless speculation about the reliability of the content of this article, or indeed anything else. If you have some specifics, specify them but if not, stop time wasting. Mutt Lunker (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubtful History?