Talk:Drum rudiment

message: Where the biological meaning of "rudiment"?--Ctac 12:57, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

message: Is there really a point to having the humongous list of hybrid rudiments? I've been a percussionist for over 5 years, and have never even heard of the vast majority of these. Evan Seeds  (talk) 23:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hybrids? 

message: This page needs an overhaul, a total re-creation.  In the next few days, I plan to add several new sections.  
First, the title of the article and redirecting/link repair, so that someone can type in "rudimental drumming," "drum rudiments," "rudiment (drum)," etc. and still arrive at this page.  
Second, MUSICAL EXAMPLES, MUSICAL NOTATION, PLEASE.  SHOW us what they look like in notation so we know how to play them.  This includes both lists of rudiments with musical examples and also transcriptions of famous rudimental drum solos.  I have not had much experience scanning this kind of material and could use some help adding it.  I plan to add at least the PAS and NARD rudiments in notation and the "Three Camps," "Downfall of Paris," and "Connecticut Halftime," but the number of appropriate musical examples to add is endless.
Third, a clearer definition of how rudiments are are used in different kinds of practice and performance and some HISTORY of how there came to be lists of rudiments in the first place.  This is esoteric information which before now has only been published in academic journals and is not available to many people.  The history needs to be filled in, because it's the biggest hole in people's knowledge of the rudiments.  There are a whole lot of people walking around who can play them and have no clue where they came from.
Fourth, a BIBLIOGRAPHY of books, articles, web sites, and recordings where people can go to find this information.  This will include more traditional drum method books and also new videos from people who play rudimental ideas on the drum set.
Ross Kimberlin 20:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TOTAL OVERHAUL 

message: Hello group. Agree with most of the comments above. Made the following changes:
* Took another shot at the initial definition of "rudiment". 
* Broke the list of 40 up into the historic 13-13-14. 
* Created a new "Hybrid Rudiments" page and moved the list of hybrids there.
* Added a "Books" section 
* Added "Notable Contributors" section
* Added links to the PAS rudiments page, and rudimentaldrumming.com
Note that the "Books" and "Notable Contributors" sections are just a beginning; I don't pretent to have a complete list on either subject.
Other information that should be added, IMHO:
* History
* Musical images for each rudiment
* Multimedia - Sound/Video files of each rudiment
Brad Halls 07:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brad Halls changes - March 26, 2006 

message: I got permission from P.A.S. to use the rudimental images from their website and posted all 40 of them here. Next on the list:
* Add some examples that show how rudiments can be combined to make percussion music
* Add sounds (midi)?
* Add a section about the "grid"
* Add a section about "check patterns"
Brad Halls 03:01, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Images 3/30/2006 

message: There's a discussion open about moving a full rewrite of this article, combining all smaller rudiments, into mainspace going on now at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Percussion#Rudiment_rewrite --Evan ¤ Seeds 04:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  complete rewrite 

message: Well, i almost lied to you, and told you "rudimental" isn't a word. The 45+ year-old Second International has it, but just says "rudimentary" in defining it. We've got 
: 25 from en.wikipedia.org for Rudimental -drum -percussion.
but 
: 47 from en.wikipedia.org for Rudimental drum OR percussion.
You've got a flamboyantly technical word here, and you have to explain it before using it. Everyone knows what rudiments are, but that does not appear to inform one about "rudimental", especially in light of the language i just removed to talk from a bio of Lenny Hart:
: ... was a national and world rudimental drummer,
Which seems to say he was world-famous for his beginner-level drumming. I can be an annoying prig about language, but for once there's nothing going on here except that i am truly left clueless, and this is not an encyclopedia (nor even an article) just for musicians. --Jerzy•t 06:58, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Rudimental" 

message: There's obviously a lot of great information here, but the article begins with "A rudiment is one of a set of basic patterns used in rudimental drumming" and never defines "rudimental drumming".  Can somebody define "rudimental drumming", hopefully in a non-circular way?  :-)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.16.40.113 (talk) 23:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Still a problem five years on: what actually is a "rudiment"? — This, that and the other (talk) 05:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article doesn't define the topic 

message: Why does the page say "there have been efforts to standardize bass drum rudiments" ? Most of what I've seen these rudiments used for are for the Snare drum. Should this be changed back to snare drum?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.198.113.130 (talk) 01:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bass drum rudiments? 

message: For example, the Ratamacue cannot be composed of sixteenth note triplets, they are eighth triplets. The drag at the beginning is the fastest part, not the triplet.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umarekawaru (talk • contribs) 23:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some notation graphics wrong 

message: I found this under the See Also section:
it should be noted that egg beaters are commonly written as fivetuplets however, the subdivision of egg beaters is an 8th note followed by a 16th note and is actually 3 sectuplet notes followed by 2 32nd notes.
-Brad Herwy
I don't know where it should go or if it should be thrown out, but it certainly didn't belong there.
131.191.115.197 (talk) 07:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little tidbit in wrong place 

message: There is notation for every listed rudiment except the single stroke roll.  Is there some reason for the omission?
Also, it would be nice to indicate on the chart which were the 13 original rudiments designated by National Association of Rudimental Drummers; and which were the 26 Standard American Drum Rudiments -- probably could be done with asterisks and a couple of footnotes.
I have added some words and references to the first paragraph concerning the definition of "rudimental drumming", which apparently people have been seeking for this article for several years.  Feel free to tweak it as needed; at least there is now something there, where before there was nothing.74.95.43.249 (talk) 00:37, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notation Missing 

message: A roll does not require any accented stroke.  If I play a 7-stroke roll sans accent, have I not played a roll?  "llrrllR" is a roll, but llrrllr" is not?
That's silly, and very disappointing error to find on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.166.208.225 (talk) 01:55, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  The definitions of "rolls" are wrong. 

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