Template talk:Infobox ice hockey biography/NHL Infobox Suggestions Archive

message: I really have objections to the "Pre NHL" field:
"(the TEAM the player played for before playing for any NHL-affiliated club. ie: if a player played in the CHL, IHL, ECHL, AHL, then finally the NHL, the pre-NHL team is the CHL team. pre-NHL also refers to NCAA, and any major European/Russian league)" There are many different avenues on the way up the NHL. Many players would have   been on multiple major junior and minor pro teams (EX: Jason Spezza). Picking just 1 team per player out of convenience is misleading. I would suggest dumping it, realizing that the articles should have career stats for college/major junior/euro/minor pro included. ccwaters 15:49, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorta...kinda...yeah, I guess that's true.  In retrospect, I guess that this parameter has a tragic flaw when dealing with NHL players, as opposed to NFL or NBA players.  And if I change it to allow for multiple teams, who knows what an ambitious wikipedian might make of the infobox.  the strokes 17:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Pre-NHL" field has been removed from the template, and all pages using this infobox the strokes 17:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pre-NHL Field '''(REMOVED)'''

message: My other suggestion would be to rename it to a broader "Template:Infobox ice hockey player"... ccwaters 17:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: page moved to Template:Infobox Ice Hockey Player the strokes 18:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Template:Infobox Ice Hockey Player '''(DONE)'''

message: ...and remove the NHL specific langauge (which would seem to be trivial). There are a lot of euro hockey players articles and some minor pro articles that use this template minus the NHL naming.  Otherwise: Its great, and thanks for your efforts. ccwaters 17:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Solution: a mandatory field for the league the strokes 18:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Create Mandatory "league" Field '''(DONE)'''

message: For goalies, they have a "shoots" attribute as well as the optional "catches" attribute. Is there any way to make it so only one of them is included? (i.e. Right now, Dan Cloutier has both "catches" and "shoots" attributes.) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 23:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ESPN and TSN both list goalies with a preferred shot hand.  Therefore, it will remain a required field for all players the strokes 23:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alrighty then. It just seems a bit redundant, since a) goalies hardly shoot on goal, so listing the shooting hand seems useless, and b) their catching hand and shooting hand is the same about 99% of the time (except for rare cases like Curtis Joseph). -→Buchanan-Hermit™/?! 23:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: lol, now you've got me thinking.  You make a good point, plus nhl.com, tsn.ca, and espn.com only list one or the other. hmmmmmmmm.  let me see what I can whip up. the strokes 00:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've got nothing.  I just made "Shoots" optional the strokes 00:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Catches/shoots '''(BOTH FIELDS MADE OPTIONAL)'''

message: Just a small suggestion: other sports player templates have the player's name above the rest of the template (see: Template:Football_player_infobox, Template:Infobox_golfer, Template:Infobox_NBA_Player, etc.). Might I suggest we do the same with this infobox? It could be done easily with  so we won't have to edit all of the infoboxes that are already in place. It's obviously not necessary, but I think it looks nice. CptUnconscious 19:02, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was leaning against it because of redundancy; the name already appears at least twice on the top of the page (title, first sentance), but if anyone else agrees with CptUnconscious, I will change it the strokes 22:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it is redundant, however, it would be consistent with the numerous other people related infoboxes. But yes, let's hear what others think. CptUnconscious 02:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Using  is risky. What happens if you hit a disambiguated page? Circeus 19:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to add that Template:Infobox gridiron football person has already gone through this and decided against it the strokes 20:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That's a very good point, I didn't think of it. Well my suggestion was based on not having to go back and edit all the player pages that have the infobox already, so I'll withdraw my support of adding the names. CptUnconscious 16:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Player Name

message: Should we be applying this template to retired players as well? If so, I'm guessing we put the last team they played for in the team variable, is this correct? And should we include WHA (and possibly other pro leagues) for their former teams? Lastly, should we keep track of which retired player pages have the infobox on the list below? CptUnconscious 16:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sort of hesitant to use the template for certain retired players; not all, but some.  Wayne Gretzky comes to mind first and foremost, since his article is a featured article.  Would the info box have a detrimental effect on its featured status, possibly making it less appealing?  Very silly thing to worry about, I know.  It's probably just me that feels that way.--Resident Lune 21:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're both bang on.  The Gretzky article is a feature article - an infobox would trivialize many points brought up in the text.  Because of the nature of retired players' stats, I am actually working on a separate template for them.  Give me a day to touch it up.  the strokes 15:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Retired Players

message: Personally, I think it's just as important to include the players number in the infobox as it is to include whether or not the shoot left or right handed.  Since very few teams have a full roster full of infoboxes, does anyone else think it is a good idea to include this?
Thricecube --Thricecube 20:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Players change numbers all the time.  It is not a vital stat.  If a player signed with a new team and someone already shot left, he wouldn't be forced to shoot right; if someone already had his preferred number though, he would have to pick a new one.  the strokes 21:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Player Numbers