Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Evolutionary biology/Archive 1

message: What about speciation? Where would that fit in these boxes? Wilke 05:05, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: How about like the current version at Template:Evolution. --Lexor|Talk 10:12, 8 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article

message: We need to sort out a categorisation hierachy to implement the new changes instead of the blue boxes. Any ideas? Dunc_Harris|☺ 19:19, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you point me to some documentation that describes what exactly has changed? I noticed that the site has had a major overhaul, but I am not sure what exactly we are supposed to be doing now. Wilke 20:56, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Categorisation 

message: The Darwin template is currently listed as a Template for deletion (see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Darwin). Personally, I am undecided about this template. Perhaps there should be two separate ones—a Darwin geneology template and a separate Darwin template without the genealogy. Still, it bugs me that there wasn't any notification of the proposed deletion on the Charles Darwin talk page or Evolutionary biology WikiProject. I think that there should be some policy that when a template is listed for deletion that the talk page for the article(s) most affected by the deletion should receive a notification. BlankVerse 08:49, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Template for Deletion?

message: I encourage you all to help with maintaining the biology Wikiportal connected with this project! Ausir 23:03, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Biology portal

message: Cool! Can I simply become a participant by adding myself to the list? I would like to add the article on Transitional fossils... Fedor 11:57, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  How can I join in? 

message: Hello, Please notice this project.  I hope that the List of publications in biology will be adopted by the evulotionary biology project.  Thanks, APH 06:36, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Science pearls|WikiProject Science pearls]] 

message: just wanted to say hi to you guys/gals. i am marcos antezana, a professional empirical and theoretical evolutionary biologist/geneticist who furthermore really cares about the verbal structure of evolutionary and biological discourse. (i already gave a severe polishing to the muller's ratchet and to the beginning of the natural selection entries). english is my fifth language though, so beware. i would like to help this project in bringing the best of evolutionary thinking and knowledge to the world for free and in the clearest english possible. i have also asked several colleagues to join this effort and to improve articles in their fields of expertise. but please do not be intimidated and keep working on improving things and let's all keep an eye on each other (but with an open mind) since nobody is perfect. -- best to you all -- marcos  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcosantezana (talk • contribs) 05:00, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi and would like to help

message: Is there a WikiProject treating the views of religious people about evolution? If not, would anybody mind if I started one? Uncle Ed 18:47, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion and evolution

message: Frog has been nominated to be improved by WP:IDRIVE. Help us improve it and support Frog with your vote on WP:IDRIVE. --Fenice 07:53, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvement Drive

message: Chronospecies is a current candidate on Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week. If you would like to see this article improved vote for it here. --Fenice 17:48, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week]]

message: This week, we have human genome as the SCOTW. Please also nominate further articles and vote (!), as the current ones are due to expire almost immediately. - Samsara contrib talk 13:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Science collaboration of the week]]

message: there is a lot of math that can be done with evolutionary biology, from calculating hardy-weinburg equilibrium, to genetic drift, to natural selection. I know something of how all these effect variation and heterozygosity... would it be appropriate to add those equations to the articles? I think an understanding of the mathematics allows a better practical understanding of evolutionary biology.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.170.163.141 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think so. I am working on an explanation of the Landes Model for Sexual Selection. Its all in the presentation I think. --Mike Spenard 18:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mathematics?

message: Please help to keep the Biology portal's Open tasks list up to date. This is one of our main communication methods to help get newcomers more involved in editing articles. It contains a list of articles that need improving, articles that need creating, articles that need cleanup, etc. And of course, if you have the time, please help and work on some of the tasks on that list! --Cyde Weys 05:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Cheers, Shanel 20:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Articles for the Wikipedia 1.0 project

message: Please see the Talk:Genetic drift#Merging merge request discussion for genetic drift and mutation rate. I would really like this to be clarified. — Donama 06:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the difference between genetic drift and mutation rate?

message: Can anyone with genetic expertise have a look at the Talk:Mongols#Sources needed discussion? I'm in a dispute there with another editor who claims to be a biology buff. Now I need help to figure out whether my doubts are justified or not. Thanks! (PS: I already posted this in the Biology Portal, but it seems to fit even better here.) --Latebird 12:16, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genghis Khan's genes 

message: Does anyone have time to help with these? - Samsara (talk • contribs) 16:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merges on [[dominance relationship]] 

message: On a new pages patrol I found Evolutionary progress and Largest-Scale Trends in Evolution both created by User:Pdturney. I do not know where they should redirrect to (or if they should be kept). I am sure that this wikproject can find a good homes for them. Jon513 21:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New articles 

message: would sympathtic editors consider a positive vote here?  Slrubenstein | Talk 15:34, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Archived discussion: Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive/Removed/Archive2#Embryology (20 votes, stays until 4 October). — Athaenara  ✉  01:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Embryology 

message: Hi all, I have been doing a lot of work around Human evolution lately, esp with a new page Human evolution fossils. I am not sure if this is the right place, but I think our human evolution articles would really benefit from a wikiproject. I tried to check and see if there was one already and this is the closest I could find. We have a Template:Human_Evolution but there doesn't seem to be any central organization. In starting a wikiproject I wasn't sure if it should be a daughter project of this one or a completely new one. What do you think? Nowimnthing 14:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: human evolution

message: There are the following articles: rapid modes of evolution, saltationism, mutationism, macromutation, hopeful monster, at least.
I think that they're somewhat messed, and a overall reorganization would be good. I think in something like the "contingent article" being "rapid modes of evolution", in which should or could be added a somewhat "exit" branch section, dealing with rapid change due to natural selection, but with more related branchings, via "see also" or "main article", on the rest of the subjects, or almost all of them.
The rest would present past and modern views on more sudden, non gradualistic modes of change, and all of them, I think, are considerably saltations, even though the currently accepted forms of saltation might be not called so. The distinction would be made, such as, Goldschmidt and others, thought that a reptile could lay an egg with a bird, or whatever they really thought; and these days, the accepted level is much less drastic, such as a snake borning with more ribs or with a lower jaw divided in 2, which could have happened in a saltation, rather than gradually evolving a jaw that were in every generation more thin, more closer to be "broken", and whatever else, with examples, and things related to homeobox genes perhaps. (Maybe including even older ideas of heterogenesis? I.e., ideas of plants bearing insects (as believed by Redi), or even sheeps? (common belief, don't remember of any specific proponent)
Other part, perhaps could clarify the pairs of dichotomies: saltationism vs gradualism - but not phyletic gradualism, whose "nemesis" is punctuated equilibrium, that can be gradual; and between these two there is the punctuated [phyletic] gradualism - and finally, selectionism versus mutationism, which despite of having commonalities with saltationsim, the latter does not "deny" the role of selection entirely, even though can minimize it to a reasonably extent (I think, and I guess I've read something by Gould, on Goldschmidt's ideas in this sense).
Summarizing:
*Intro
*Gradual rapid evolution (by NS, and whatever else)
*Saltation
:*Early concepts (heterogenesis, De Vries' mutationism and perhaps T.H. Huxley's "salationism" and similar ideas)
:*Mid 20th century concepts (Goldschmidt and whoever else)
:*Present concepts ("weak saltationism" of homeobox changes and this sort of stuff)
*A nice name for a section dealing with the clarification of the pairs of dichotomies
:*saltationism vs gradualism
:*mutationism vs selectionism
:*puctuated equilibrium, punctuated gradualism and phylitic gradualism
... that's all, I think... but perhaps, the clarification of the dichotomies would deserve its own article or (preferably, I think) a more proper context, since it is not specifically about rapid modes of evolution... in any case, I think that something more or less in these lines would be very desirable. I think that these subjects are somewhat messy and fuzzy as they are now, with blurred distinctions between gradualism and phyletic gradualism, and what opposes to what and exactly to which extent. --Extremophile 01:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could a portal to these perhaps fit under Macroevolution? In any case, Extremophile, your expertise, would be useful there. -Safay 17:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reorganization in saltation-related (and some a bit unrelated) subjects 

message: Homo floresiensis is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 21:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Homo floresiensis 

message: As a big fan of biology, I don't see how this statement is accurate, or even helpful, except in "fighting the heretics", so to speak. There are plenty of things that we can observe in biology without evolution. This statement seems more inflammatory than anything else, and despite the interesting link, doesn't seem appropriate for this article, because it is logically incorrect. I propose that the link be moved to the references section of the page, and the title of the article not be used as a non-quoted remark in the main section of the article.--216.227.83.45 20:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From the structure of DNA, to the process of protein synthesis, to the complexity of multicellular life, everything about biology is illuminated and better understood by evolution. It's the source of light in Plato's cave. Of course it is poetic and metaphorical to an extent, but it is largely accurate. --Cody.Pope 06:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution? 

message: Where might this page be categorized in the Topics footer?
Also, I know this is a contentious subject, but perhaps the category of "selection" does not fit under the "population genetics" heading. This shoehorns all of selection within the context of The Modern Synthesis. But then, perhaps for an encyclopedia that is appropriate.
-Safay 02:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Unit of selection]] 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 23:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
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message: There is currently a barnstar proposal at :Wikipedia:Barnstar and award proposals/New Proposals#Wildlife Barnstar for a barnstar which would be available for use for this project. Please feel free to visit the page and make any comments you see fit. Badbilltucker 15:38, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wildlife Barnstar 

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thread_title:  Stablepedia 

message: Would your WikiProject like to endorse Wikipedia:Scientific citation guidelines? If so, please let those editors at that guideline know. --ScienceApologist 19:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hey guys, I've never been part of a project here on wikipedia, do I just add my name on the project page to join or what? (also, answer on my talk page in case I forget to check here for a couple of days, thanks!) --Cody.Pope 05:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, add your name. More importantly, visit this page often, to make sure you aren't missing any interesting discussions ....err I mean, visit this page often and strike up interesting conversations. Recruit other interesting editors. Put some life into this thing. linas 05:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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message: Gzkn 07:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Cladistics]] 

message: Feel welcome to comment: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Charles Darwin. Samsara (talk • contribs) 17:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charles Darwin FAC 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
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