Talk:Emmanuel Frémiet

message: Elsewhere on the web, we find the following written by Constance Areson Clark:
:"American Museum president Henry Fairfield Osborn, so often vilified by anti-evolutionists, took a prominent role in the defense of evolution in the press; yet he understood, and to some extent shared, the public distaste for simian ancestors, ape-men and cave men. He realized that much of the public saw them as defective, as caricatures or parodies of humans.  He was also acutely aware of the long visual tradition associating monkeys and apes with unsavory characters and brutality, including ferocious or menacing looking apes and apes kidnapping human women for prurient purposes:  Many people wrote to ask him whether rumors that apes kidnapped women were true.  He received so many queries of this kind that he saw fit to deny them even in scientific papers, mentioning in particular the notorious 1854 sculpture by Emmanuel Fremiet, Gorilla Abducting a Negress.  The museum had been given this sculpture as a gift, he revealed, but would never put it on exhibit, “because in the Museum exhibits we are trying to present only truth and to eliminate all misrepresentations of ape and human resemblance.”  
So the "Stereotypeandsociety" link that claims this statue was on display should probably be removed until it can be verified.Mountshang 13:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My smash-&-grab research suggests that Frémiet exhibited (or tried - it was rejected by the salon jury) his first version in 1859, not 1854 as Clark says, so right off the bat something is amiss.  I'm curious about the "Negress" part too.  looks Anglo in the version (1887) I'm looking at. Carptrash 16:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

text: A little more digging (references upon request) reveals that this early (1859) version is "known today only from photographs" - suggesting that no one has a copy secreted in their basement, certainly not before the 1887 version. Carptrash 16:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Link to "American Museum of Natural History

message: "and to equestrian statues in armour"  from the sentence about what he chiefly devoted his time to.  As far as I can tell his Joan of Arc statue is the only one fitting that description, and while there might have been one or two more, it was not a big thing for him.  Carptrash (talk) 18:46, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  I just moved this here to talk about it 

message: The Philadelphia copy of Frémiet's Joan of Arc is undergoing restoration and regilding, and soon will be returned to Kelly Drive across from the Philadelphia Museum of Art.  I plan to add more information about the restoration, since I just received a good source.--DThomsen8 (talk) 23:14, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restoration of Philadelphia's ''Joan of Arc'' 

message: I believe the correct spelling omits the accent on the first 'e'. The French WP site has a note "La véritable orthographe est 'Fremiet'". The Musée D'Orsay site uses the unaccented version, as do the large majority of other sites on French Google. - Tim riley (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Frémiet or Fremiet? 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Emmanuel Frémiet's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "EB1911":
From Auguste Raffet:  Endnotes:
* Raffet, by F. Lhomme (Paris, 1892).
* Béraldi, Henri (1892). Raffet, peintre national. Paris: Librairie illustrée.
* Dayot, Armand (1891). Raffet et son œuvre...100 compositions lithographiques: peintures à l'huile, aquarelles, sépias et dessins inédits. [Paris] Quantin: Librairies-imprimeries réunies.
* Ladoué, Pierre (1946). Un peintre de l'épopée française: Raffet. Paris: A. Michel.
From Lithography: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:20, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Emmanuel Frémiet]]