Talk:Ajvar

message: As this article has been finally written nice and that is originally Serbian dish, can you please mark it as  or so? Also you didn't put Serbia in  . Thank you for correcting it in advance.
I agree with this. Please put Serbian and also Serbian Cyrillic + as Serbia-stub / article or Serbian cuisine. Thank you and smart move to lock it so vandals can't rename and put false facts.79.175.120.216 (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mark it as Serbian article

message: Most likely it originated in Serbia, since a lot of food from Serbia was influneced by Hungarian cuisine whitch then spread to north Serbia and lower. Serbia and Montenegro also have it's own recepes whitch use a lot of spices and ingredients found in ajvar such as paprikash and Punyene Paprika (spelling please, not a native Serbian speaker) As far as I know Serbia as well as Bulgaria and elements of their culture influenced Macedonia a lot during the time of SFRY, so it's plausable that Macedonia borrowed some of it's national cuisine into its own. For example, "sirene" is Bulgarian cheese but now you can also find it in Macedonia. --From Marusha.
: It's "punjene paprike" ;-) Everything you wrote is nice, but wikipedia has one important rule: no original research. That means, if you have sources that support your claim, fine, cite your sources and add that info to the article. But, if you have a new theory, wikipedia is not the place to put it... --Dijxtra 08:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And it's relevant to Ajvar because...? Second, the situation is not as simple as you present it OED says that Hungarian was the mediator language from Slavic papar, but pepper itself is of Middle Indic origins, so the Serbo-Croatian origin of "paprika" is really stretched. And your English leaves a lot to be desired. The "strong linguistic clue that ajvar comes from Serbia" is your original research. Reverting. Duja► 15:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

text: *Peppers were unknown in the entire Eastern Hemisphere until at least 1500. Largoplazo (talk) 14:01, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

text: You've given no more basis for your assertion than anyone else has for theirs, yet here you are accusing others of not having any knowledge. As though your pridefulness outweighs that of everyone else. As for "nonsense", what ingredient in ajvar is found nowhere outside Macedonia? "You will not find ingredients of Ajvar in other countries" is nonsense.  Largoplazo (talk) 12:45, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Origin of ajvar

message: Since when ajvar is made of bell peppers? I am Macedonian and I have never heard of such an ajvar. Maybe there are some remote chances for such thing existing somewhere (most likely an idividual idea rather than any uniform custom), but it is certainly extremely uncommon to the point of not even being worthy of mention in this article, let alone stating at the beginning that bell peppers are its primary ingredient ! --B. Jankuloski 08:35, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I now understand that what in the Balkans is reffered to as "Paprika" is actually one of the several shapes that the vegetable called "bell pepper" in English can assume. Indeed a weird way of classifying things. --B. Jankuloski 09:14, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the English nomenclature for the plant is thoroughly confusing. Duja► 09:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not that confusing. Bell pepper is just another cultivar of the Capsicum annuum species, which also includes cultivars like jalapeño, cayenne, piquín and other chile peppers.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.97.211 (talk) 18:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ajvar made of bell peppers?? 

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message: This article has seen too much edit warring, needs a lot of cleanup and falls under the discretionary sanctions put forth at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Macedonia#Discretionary_sanctions. All edits should be cited inline to an independent, verifiable source. More than one PoV or outlook can be carried, but all PoVs must be cited. Uncited text may be removed by any good faith editor. Any edits I've made to the text have been meant only as cleanup and/or mediation. Many of the edits I made have been undone, which is ok. I'm neutral and not involved as to the editorial content. If there is disagreement as to how sources should be echoed in the text, please talk about it here on the talk page, do not edit war. Users who edit war may be banned from this topic for some time. Gwen Gale (talk) 12:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You're mistaken about the "faking" (did you read what I posted above?). If you edit war, you will either be blocked from editing or banned from editing this page. If another editor edit wars, they will either be blocked from editing or banned from editing this page. If there is a disagreement about sources or the text, it must be discussed here on the talk page. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
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message: Just start from this point, Macedonia produces the most peppers(paprika) for Ajvar, it exports huge quantity of it to the balkan countries, practicaly all families make it throut the country, so I would say it is a more Macedonian thing then any other.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.7.159.250 (talk) 13:21, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That's like saying chocolate mousse isn't French because cacao trees don't grow in France. Largoplazo (talk) 10:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  I think it's more Macedonian then any else 

message: why is this page locked? -Lostguy101 (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the "editors" are degenerate imbeciles who lack the basic evolutionary traits to be classified as Homo Sapiens Sapiens, they are the Balkan version of humans (Untermensch if you will) who have no business discussing cuisine (should go pick the peppers). Having given you the reason for that, I'd like to invite everyone interested in Balkan cuisine (as in the cuisine that predates the nations occupying the peninsula), to go read an edited cookbook. As a possessional Chef, I personally guarantee that the article here is inaccurate, biased, irrelevant and a waste of eye-movement. I'm ashamed by the loads of manure defecated here as person from the Balkans  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.143.254.186 (talk) 14:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  lock 

message: "However, the domestic production of ajvar/caviar was continuously striked since..."?
restarurants?
Don't the editors proof-read? Would have edited it myself, but since the article is locked, maybe an official editor will do the honors?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.180.156.114 (talk) 15:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improve the standard of English used 

message: Please include an external link to http://palachinkablog.com/ajvar/. It is a step-by-step traditional recipe on making Ajvar in Serbia.
Palachinka (talk) 10:23, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: See WP:ELNO #11. —GƒoleyFour— 13:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Palachinka, 8 March 2011 

message: isn't this an opinion?  If it isn't an opinon I think it needs a source explaining why mass produced or foriegn can't cook the peppers correctly.
And it is misleading to say how little is produced unless it is specified that it is the Serbian variety.  At a local grocery store there is a set of shelves filled with ajvar from a variety of places.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.210.95 (talk) 08:20, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Best ajvar" section 

message: I remember checking this page years ago. It used to claim that Ajvar was a Serbian dish without any neutral source given and all of the sources being Serbian. I raised an eyebrow, but didn't bother back then. And now I see that ajvar is listed as a Macedonian dish without any reliable, neutral sources given. And to make things worse, this was listed as a source by some Macedonian troll:
Freud's Own Cookbook
"A parody of Sigmund Freud's writings. This book features his theories about food and cooking, and recipes for his favorite dishes."
I won't even bother checking this out. How is this a reliable source? Let's assume that isn't an usual parody and that the author did a lot of research on ajvar (which is most unlikely, being a parody). This book was written in 70-ies when Macedonia was still a part of Yugoslavia and I can guess that the author probably tasted some ajvar that was produced in today's Macedonia (probably Vitaminka) and then mentioned it in his books. Someone might check it out and see if it even mentions ajvar.
I know that ajvar is considered a national dish in all countries of former Yugoslavia.
This article really, REALLY needs some serious editing from someone more knowledge than myself. Someone might search for ajvar on Google, open this article and be left complete confused.
I know that ajvar is loved in Macedonia (and IMHO Macedonia produces some awesome ajvars), but this is the first time I heard that ajvar is originally a Macedonian dish. I do not say that Serbian or Macedonian ajvar is wrong, but I do not think that anyone knows its true origins.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.1.239.208 (talk) 12:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Last time it became Macedonian after this edit. Ajvar seems to change its nationality quite frequently, at least several times a year (e.g. here and here). There are quite many "editors", mostly anonymous IPs, who don't care about any sources, but consider such foods (not only this one, but many others too) their national pride. --Off-shell (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article must be a joke 

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Remove 'Ajvar-Serbian-cuisine' broken ref. Darren-M talk 01:03, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Protection level has now been reduced, so been able to self-serve on this. Closed. Darren-M talk 02:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protected edit request on 25 July 2020 

message: Can I invite discussion on the lead, which I can see has had intense edit warring. Can I propose we change:
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Best, Darren-M talk 01:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , I concur especially given that the pp expires in 7 days, it would be embarassing to have the leade like that for so long. Mello it down for now, at least. Sam-2727 (talk) 01:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Yeah, the intention here is very much to dodge the issue - if we include a list of countries we're always going to have a dispute over which those countries are - the proposed amend above seems significantly less controversial and less likely to drive disruption. Darren-M talk 02:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

text: I've swapped to my proposed wording above as a tactical solution, but conscious that I have allowed very little time for discussion prior to editing (as keen to remove the vandalised version) - I'm happy to re-visit if other contributors would prefer a more detailed version more akin to what has been replaced. Darren-M talk 02:07, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead 

message: User:Deepfriedokra asked me to take a look at the page and evaluate the protection. My analysis is that full protection is not necessary to stop the disruption. It looks to me as if the nationalistic additions/removals/edit warring are being done by new users and IPs, while a few regular users try to restore the longtime stable version of the article. I think they should be allowed to do so and I am going to reduce the full protection to semi-protection.  -- MelanieN (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks . Happy to work through restoring this to a more stable version per my comments above once the protection is amended. Thanks again for reviewing. Best, Darren-M talk 01:56, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comment about protection 

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Oikos and Market: Explorations in Self-Sufficiency after Socialism
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=ZNGdBAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PA81&dq=ajvar&ots=WkC0Xdiiqs&sig=PnkVa1EYksozdSI6FfyHFYDLnts#v=onepage&q=ajvar&f=true  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:CDA0:1060:4573:D65F:FCFB:8132 (talk) 15:21, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  History of Ajvar book citation