Talk:Totskoye nuclear exercise

message: Even the first two references are extremely dubious: first one is an Ukrainian tabloid site, and second states in it's Russian header that "45000 soviet soldiers killed" as a result of the test, which is just plainly wrong. 94.31.183.22 (talk) 15:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have to agree with the IP here. I'm going to tag the page as such. NickCT (talk) 15:47, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok... I've added an additional tag... Frankly, if this isn't taken care of in the near future, I'd simply blanket delete everything referenced to that Ukrainian article. NickCT (talk) 15:54, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I've solved this issue and cleaned the page from factually incorrect information taken from dubious websites and added text based on the memoirs of those who actually participated in this exercise. Tabloids and yellow press are obviously not the right kind of sources for an article. 84.51.114.91 (talk) 13:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious sources 

message: This article seems to be quite POV, as in "the Totskoye experiment was an inhumane and meaningless bestiality performed by the soviets" - while in fact it was (unfortunately) quite normal in those years. I've rephrased the text in order to make it less biased: i've added some sources, and corrected some errors.  For example, the sentence "thousands are believed to have died as a result both from the initial blast and in the years following". Nobody was directly involved in the nuclear explosion: the villages in the range of several kilometers were evacuated before the experiment (and they were actually burned out by the blast). Also the description of the military operations is quite inaccurate, and it doesn't say that the radioactive zone was marked before moving the soldiers (that were going to simulate an hostile territory takeover after a nuclear attack). The experiment was quite similar to the ones performed by USA, UK and other countries in the same years, when radiation effects on human beings were not entirely clear and both soldiers and civil population were used as guinea pigs.  Please note that I'm not justifiying it, but at the time the perception on the effects of these tests was different (and incomplete) --156.148.18.50 09:29, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: c'mon, dear Cold War warrior - go, look at this http://www.geocities.com/emruf6/adam.jpg 70.49.119.49 07:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: lol @ "Cold War Warrior".  Wow, you showed me.  Sure can't argue with a vague picture of an unknown event from an anonymous user. Nope...can't argue with irrefutable proof like that!  Abalu (talk) 09:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections (and possibly POV fix) 

message: Or other name.
And add this to Category:Military scandals. --84.234.60.154 (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about the event 

message: "The residents of selected villages (Bogdanovka and Fedorovka) that were situated around 6 km (3.7 mi) near the epicenter..."
If the coordinates, 52.642333,52.809167, of the test are correct, then it is impossible that this information is correct as both of these villages are far to the south of the town of Totskoye, and as the page states, the range is to the north of Totskoye. The two villages are about 7 miles apart so if the epicenter were between them, this would be plausible, but it would also leave a very small range for this blast to occur, somewhere near 52.276204,52.77689. It also puts the blast dangerously close to the village of Nevezhkino, unless the Google Maps is incorrect.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.230.74.130 (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something that doesn't make sense: 

message: No long-term effects are noted here, has any work been done about the impact of the radiaion on those within the blast? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:18, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Longer term effects 

message: This page reads like a Russian press release.  Every problem was foreseen and handled, everyone was treated fairly, all the troops were perfectly cared for, no civilian impact, etc.  Does anyone seriously believe that?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.169.30 (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh, indeed. In reality, that was absolutely terrifying. There is a video with a story by an eyewitness  (Russian), and I can see an article in a local newspaper by another witness, a former soldier . According to en eyewitness, "Наш взвод был в 4,2 км от эпицентра взрыва. Кто-то был ближе, кто-то — дальше, другим было поручено находиться в танке или автомобиле. Нам была дана команда: лежать ничком и не поднимать головы. Зловещую тишину нарушил страшный взрыв, от которого затряслась земля. Было психологически тяжело, накрыла волна такого одиночества и беспомощности, страха и ужаса. У меня сползла каска с головы, и я вытащил руки, чтобы ее натянуть. Этих секунд хватило, чтобы получить лучевое облучение кистей рук. Когда в небо на высоту 6 км поднялся ядерный гриб, мы приподнялись и смотрели на это невиданное чудо. Расплата за любопытство — ожог сетчатки глаз, кожи, повреждение слуха от мощной ударной волны. Природа тоже отреагировала незамедлительно: через полчаса после взрыва началась сильная песчаная буря, ветер был такой силы, что песок, превратившийся в стекло, царапал кожу, как наждак. ... После взрыва мы еще две недели были на полигоне, а потом нас отправили в свою часть. Поначалу ничего не болело, но потом стали клоками выпадать волосы, часто текла кровь из носа, болел желудок, покраснела кожа, мои руки стали отекать. Даже небольшой предмет было трудно держать." Google translate from 2nd source:
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thread_title:  NPOV 

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