Talk:Euronymous

message: Of the allegations of homo/bisexuality levelled at Aarseth by, among others, Varg Vikernes? I mean, Vikernes had no reason to like Aarseth, but unless it's demonstratably been proven false, putting it up might be of interest... Just saying his death was surrounded by rumours, is that enough? --Edward Wakelin 6 July 2005 22:05 (UTC)
:Well, the Norwegian news media sensationalized Aarseth's murder because he was a member of the "heathen" and "occult" black metal community. Probably-bogus theories of 'inner circle' power struggles were common in stories about the murder. The homosexuality allegations are likely of the same stock, ie bogus claims meant to further demonize a controversial figure. While it hasn't been demonstrably proven false, there is also no proof for it. Vikernes obviously hated Aarseth with a passion (he did murder the guy :o), and Vikernes is a known believer in aryan supremecism, a worldview that often despises homosexuality as well, so I wouldn't put it past him to make things up to justify his murder to his peers in the black metal/national socialist community. I think a mention of the crazy allegations would serve this article better than sections outlining specific ones. The allegations themselves are not that important, IMO. --Styrbjorn 7 July 2005 05:45 (UTC)
::The article does mention Aarseth's penchant for sodomy, but I'm not sure what that specifies.  I think we can infer that, since acts of sodomy (up to and including homosexual intercourse) are decried by Christianity, Aarseth's desire to go against everything Christianity stands for is a good argument for his own homosexuality or bisexuality.  But that's just speculating on my part. Spartacusprime 16:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is speculation and that's what makes it a truly terrible argument on Wikipedia. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Varg most likely said this because he hated Euronymous.  RIP Euronymous (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that if true, "Aarseth's penchant for sodomy" would be a good argument for his heterosexuality, since sodomy "refers to anal sex or other non-penile/vaginal copulation-like acts, especially between male persons or between a person and an animal", but this is only speculation. Nite-Sirk (talk) 18:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should there be mentions 

message: It should be noted that Euronymous wanted the picture of Dead's suicide to be the cover of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.  It was Necrobutcher who objected to this.  The final cover picture (which I believe is a church in England) was chosen by Hellhammer after Euronymous had already died. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 168:03, September 15, 2006 (UTC)
:Do you have a source on this? First I've heard about it, and the church is in Norway as far as I know. XdiabolicalX 16:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wish I had a link to it.  It was an interview with Metalion (puclisher of Slayer magazine) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.73.199.69 (talk) 22:33, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suicide pictures 

message: The link to the second interview page seems to be a blind link. I would be grateful is this could be fixed.
phisk 12:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interview

message: While our beloved Aarseth had communistic political ideas, he also was one of the best  black metal musicians, and also true to what he actually began. He did more for black  metal than anyone in history. Just ask anyone who actually knew him. I find it disturbing tthat anyone should downgrade him to something he was not... he WAS the originator of modern BLACK FUCKING METAL. No doubt, no question. True. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.152.233.202 (talk) 04:34, April 10, 2007 (UTC)
:That's a bit incredulous don't you think? Euronymous happily promoted political extremism etc. That doesn't negate his role in the development of black metal, as a matter of fact, it's rather important, especially as people are ideologically generalising black metal musicians with this anti-establishment crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 13:04, May 20, 2007
:I have read in some interviews that he liked all the communists because they were tyrants, etc.Wayavas1337 19:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct. Although he didn't (directly) promote his politics in his music, there was hardly any contradiction between the two, given his adoration for brutality etc.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark Prime (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello for Black Metal

message: Does this really count as involving Satanism or the Occult? More an arguement over money than anything else. Arthulian (talk) 02:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catagory: Crimes involving Satanism or the occult 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Euronymous MayheM.JPG

message: As much as I think people like Euroboy are good for little else than to laugh at in black metal, the 'though' in: 'Aarseth discovered the corpse and took pictures later used for a bootleg cover, though against Aarseth's wishes.' quite clearly insinuates an opinion that it's 'bad' to use such things as a cover, I opt for the word in question be simply removed.
Secondly: 'Vikernes actually smiled at the moment his verdict was read, an image that was widely reprinted in the news media.' gives away the impression that Vargiboy was 'proud' or 'happy' with the outcome, while his 'smile' was clearly more of an insecure 'God, I can't believe they actually did it.' smile, more akin to when your child does some-thing extremely inappropriate and/or stupid but understandable for the youngster's age to which you say 'Aww.. you little cheeky brat..', the 'actually' there just as much insinuates an opinion.213.84.222.243 (talk) 09:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As for the former point, if I remember correctly Euronymous intended the image to be used for De Mysteriss Dom Sathanas, hence his opposition to the use of the image on the 'Dawn of the Black Hearts' bootleg cover.  90.196.92.177 (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

text: As for the latter point, Vikernes himself has stated before that the smile was in pride.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.74.116.49 (talk) 16:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  'though' / 'smiled' 

message: I strongly don't believe that Euronymous was associated with Legos, Horn and the checker patrol, just wondering if someone can remove this.--FailureAtDeath (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently he was involved with such bands (L.E.G.O etc.( in his younger days. It's been noted elsewhere, and I wouldn't be surprised either (as even in his black metal days he liked electronica etc.). Restoring. Dark Prime (talk) 12:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism? 

message: This sentence "He admittedly held a disdain for individualism[8]; a mindset which later on would be a motivating factor for the hostility of many black metal musicians towards Right-Hand Path religions." seems at least counterintuitive to me since RHP traditions also reject individualism, and Satanism is essentially mystical egotism. I'm gonna remove if nobody's got objections.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.172.205.113 (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I meant is that individualism motivated the hostilities of many black metal musicians later on towards these religions. For Euronymous, such was not the case. Retaining sentence. Dark Prime (talk) 20:04, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Individualism - RHP 

message: Can someone please add an IPA transcription of the Norwegian pronunciation of "Øystein Aarseth"? I speak fluent Swedish (though not natively) and even I can't figure out how this is supposed to be pronounced...the situation is probably even more hopeless for those not familiar with the Scandinavian languages. 128.146.172.51 (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: The way the lies are quoted in this section has to be changed. I normally do know how articles are supposed to deal with such issues, my reaction may also be due the fact that any uncritical repetition of what Vikernes says (especially when it’s about Euronymous) still angers me. Racial and homophobic comments about Euronymous can be found in Lords of Chaos, there being no proof Euronymous was gay (nor for the opposite, doesn’t matter to me anyway). To see how contradictory his lies are, see Euronymous, Glass fragments 2009, Glass fragments part 2,  Fantoft, Lindisfarne and Black Metal or Until the liar takes us (including parts of the Until the Light Takes Us DVDs bonus interview). I know this is a weblog, but it’s sourced, and most sources Chagrynn used can even be found on the internet. And it’s really worth reading. --217/83 00:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lies by Vikernes and my last edit 

message: You can listen to the interview here (part 1) and here (part 2). The uploader says that the interview was probably in February or March 1993 but doesn't giv the name of the radio show. Unfortunatly, as it's a YouTube video, the link can't be included with the reference. If enyone can find a transcript with the name and date of the show, please post a link here. Thanks. ~Asarlaí 10:11, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I actually know the recording, but my point was that the reference in the article isn’t sufficient. Does anyone here have a YouTube account and could ask the person who uploaded it which radio show this was taken from? --217/83 10:22, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: In the video comments, a couple of people hav written that it's from a metal radio show calld Rockbox, hosted by Leif Edling of Candlemass. However, the show seemingly stopt broadcasting in 1989. Do you think we should remove it until a more reliable source is found? ~Asarlaí 11:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure; a source should be traceable, so if you come up with precise information, it may stay. You can mask the information with  tags until then. His views on Satanism and Black Metal can be sourced with other interviews anyway, like the one by Esa Lahdenpera; but the idea that Christianity should become more extreme when churches are burnt is something I rather associate with the early Vikernes, so this is an excellent passage and it would be great if that could be more precisely sourced. --217/83 11:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The 1993 radio interview 

message: I guess the Norwegian Air Shuttle case about the rear wing paintings deserves to be included. Matti Nuortio, Oulu, Finland (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Norwegian Air Shuttle Case of 2012 

message: This article relied heavily on burzum.org, which is the personal blog of Varg Vikernes. Since it is a self published source it is not an appropriate Wikipedia source. Also, we should be very careful about using such an obviously biased source. Varg Vikernes has every reason to lie or make excuses for his role. Plus, he is alive while Euronymous is not, so Euronymous cannot defend himself. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Self-published sources 

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message: Alright, fine, have it your way. I won't bother trying again. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 00:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
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message: Right! הראש (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Also dead?