Talk:Al-Azhar University

message: What the hell have sections Views, On freedom of speech, On Shia Islam, Assassination of Farag Foda to do with the functioning of the university proper. I want to know its organization, its academic profile, etc. What is its standing among the universities worldwide? 
In section Modern history it says: “Before that date [1961], the Encyclopaedia of Islam classifies the Al-Azhar variously as madrasa, center of higher learning and, since the 19th century, religious university, but not as a university in the full sense, referring to the modern transition process as "from madrasa to university".[5][15]”. But, earlier, in section History: Beginnings under the Fatimids the article states: “Fatimid Caliphs [10-the century] always encouraged scholars and jurists to have their study-circles and gatherings in this mosque and thus it was turned into a university which has the claim to be considered as the oldest University still functioning.[9]” 
These fragments conflict with each other (it cannot be the oldest university if it became one only after 1961) and this should be rectified. The reference '[9]', Fatimid Dynasty in Egypt (http://www.imamreza.net) is a religious tractate (“Our objective is to present the ideals and sublime teachings of Islam with particular emphasis on the holy life and works of Hazrat Imam Abul Hasan Ali ibn Musa ar-Reza (A.S.),the eighth holy Shi'ite Emam.”), lacking any scholarly credentials whatsoever - it cannot serve as a serious, secular  account of the history of Al-Azhar.
This article is more about religious life in Egypt then about Al-Azhar as a place of modern scholarship.--Gerard1453 (talk) 20:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Certain sections should be scrapped 

message: University of Al Quaraouiyine was supposedly founded in 859. Same well-grounded controversies as here, of course -- In what sense is or is not a madras a university? -- but the founding appears to predate Al-Azhar by more than a century. --47.32.20.133 (talk) 18:30, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Claim of oldest university needs solid sourcing 

message: It is my understanding that Al-Azhar University published in 1978 an opinion on Freemasonry. Some quotes from the opinion:
 "Members are free to practice their religion, but only members who are atheists are promoted to its higher degrees, based on how much they’re willing to serve its dangerous principles and plans."
 "It is a Jewish organization in its roots. Its secret higher international administrative board is made up of Jews, and it promotes Zionist (pro-Israel) activities."
 "It has branches under different names as a camouflage, so people cannot trace its activities, especially if the name of Freemasonry has opposition. These hidden branches are known as Lions, Rotary, and others. They have wicked principles that completely contradict the rules of Islam."
 "There is a clear relationship between Freemasonry, Judaism, and international Zionism. It has controlled the activities of high Arab officials in the Palestinian conflict."
This being remarkably similar to what is said in the Protocols of the the Elders of Zion, and Taxil Hoax, and being notable due to the number of Freemasons around the world (~5-7 million) I think it should be included in the article.
While this will not do for a citation, this link would shed more light on wuat I'm saying: http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2016/01/islam-and-freemasonry.html?m=1
(Chris Hodapp is a major, and credible, Masonic author)Pepe Oats (talk) 18:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Freemasonry and anti-semitism 

message: The article currently states 
This is currently cited to Nonie Darwish, who is probably not a reliable source. This is also contradicted by this source, page 114, that says  Also this source is cited for the claim "after being accused of blasphemy by a committee of clerics (ulama) at Al-Azhar University." The source doesn't seem to mention Al-Azhar at all, so I'm removing it. Most of the discussion on who Farag Foda was belongs at his own article, not here. The only thing relevant here is the fatwa given by Al-Azhar.VR talk 23:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mohammed al-Ghazali 

message: The section Al-Azhar_University#Notable_people_associated_with_the_university should contain faculty only. We shouldn't be listing every notable individual to have ever studied at  Al-Azhar. If necessary a list of notable students can be forked out into another article.VR talk 13:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Faculty only 

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message: Is prophet (s:) the whole nations of the world's nabi 69.157.101.208 (talk) 04:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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