Talk:Solid South

message: The addition of the information that the Civil Rights Act had Republican support is valid.  Nevertheless, in 1968 Nixon did pursue a "Southern strategy" aimed at winning votes from Southerners who were hostile to the Act and to civil rights in general, so I've restored that reference and link. JamesMLane 21:43, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Southern strategy

message: Can some of our editors add a References section with the citations for this account and maybe some general bibliographic references on this subject? --Dystopos 22:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources/References

message: Please keep discussion on this page. I see no difference between the subject of this article and Southern strategy. It appears that their respective contributors are simply ignorant of the other's existence. There is a large duplication of content, although both contain information that the other does not. I do not know which title should be kept. I prefer Solid South, but I could be wrong. If they are not merged, I hope that this discussion will at least lay out a clear deliniation between the subjects of the articles such that there is no overlap in content and that it will be abundantly clear in the future where new content should be added. savidan(talk) (e@) 06:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. These are completely different topics, I believe. Southern Strategy explores the Republican Party's attempt to wrest the south from the Democrats; it's an article about a political strategy. Solid South is a history article. There's noting wrong with what you call "duplication of content" because the articles cover similar ground.Griot 16:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the previous editor. They are two separate articles, one dealing with a recent political strategy and the other with a political history that existed from after the Civil War until the 1970s. One could state that the Southern Strategy came ended the Solid South but that doesn't mean they should be one article.--Alabamaboy 17:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Oppose merger.  The Solid South article covers a much longer time period. JamesMLane t c 18:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I oppose merging to one article, but I support reducing redundant content. Solid South should point to Southern Strategy for detailed information on the organized campaign and Southern Strategy should point back to Solid South for the context and aftermath of that project. --Dystopos 20:37, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Do not merge these two articles.  Their topics, "Solid South" and "Southern strategy", are opposites, the first representing Democratic domination in the southern United States 1877-1964 and the second representing Republican domination 1964-present.  The only similarity between the two concepts is that they are both consequences of white racism.  Yes, the end of the Solid south is essentially the same as the start of the Southern strategy.  Possibly Southern strategy could be shortened. Paul 04:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Southern Strategy]] 

message: What about the first Republican president's military invasion and conquering of their land? I think it's safe to say that the Solid South was solid well before Reconstruction.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottJ (talk • contribs) 20:37, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Originated in Reconstruction? 

message: Hey all. Just wanted to let you know that I made a small correction of the statement that said that in 2004, Kerry won all nine Northeastern states, from Maryland to Maine. I think whether Maryland can be considered a Northeastern state can be debated; some would class it as a Northern state, some would class it as a Southern state, and others would class it as a border state. Hence, I have changed the wording to state "from Pennsylvania to Maine" rather than from "Maryland to Maine." Also, if one does the math, Maryland plus all the Northeastern states equals ten states instead of nine. However, my correction has rectified this issue as well. Thanks.Gujuguy (talk) 17:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Maryland is too Southern to be considered Northern...if we are judging based on politics, then ND and SD are southern too huh? More Northern people "remind" me that I don't belong to them than Southern people. 69.251.26.101 (talk) 06:10, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Northeastern U.S.

message: Oklahoma, which Congressional Quarterly considers part of the South, belongs in the table. Inclusion of Missouri is more questionable.  Recommendation: Keep Missouri in, but add Oklahoma.  Rammer (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oklahoma

message: Why is this state not included? Missouri is, but Maryland isn't? In these days of the Solid South, when being a Democrat meant conservatism, Maryland was very much a part of the Solid South, on a local and national level.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.81.232.68 (talk) 03:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Maryland actually wasn't part of the Solid South and most notably didn't have to go through Reconstruction with the Confederate states. Ever since the LBJ days Maryland has remained solidly Democratic with Northeastern voting patterns, while the South has been solidly Republican up until the 2008 election (Sons of the South Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton being exceptions, especially the former). The same applies to Delaware and West Virginia.  I don't know why Oklahoma isn't in the table though. Missouri is debatable, especially since its been considered solidly Midwestern since the 1900's.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.224.16 (talk) 20:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say, voting patterns mean nothing really. It's about lifestyle. MD is country, plain and simple. It has nothing in common with NY, but everything in common with VA. Just saying. 69.251.26.101 (talk) 06:14, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

text: You must remember, Maryland was also apart of the union, yet still allowed slavery. Maryland is a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too kind of state. So they vote democratic? North Dakota votes Republican, does that make it a Southern State? 3x more counties vote Republican in Maryland, they just don't have the population like Baltimore to pull off the victory. I'm tired of this "South/North Maryland" talk. We are a MID-ATLANTIC state and if we choose to be South or North, so be it. That's one thing we have the option to do, unlike any other state. Yall Southerners and Northerners don't want us, but yall gotta deal, period. Chic3z (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maryland 

message: Has it been corrected here in Talk that Clinton carried LA twice? I think the section on what BC carried could be made clearer w/ in the Southern Strategy - End of the Solid South section.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ http://www.uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/index.html  1992, Clinton, WV, KY, TN, Ark, LA & GA. 1996, WV, KY, TN, Ark, LA, FL.
151.204.190.111 (talk) 14:48, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Clinton states & LA 

message: It's astounding that a contemporary article can feature the history of the Solid South and avoid discussing the real reasons, not just resentment by whites of Republicans but the whites' wholesale disfranchisement of blacks after Reconstruction, first through violence, assassination and intimidation at the polls, then by law - through new constitutions and amendments passed from 1890 to 1910 by every southern state in the former Confederacy. This is how the white Democrats excluded the African Americans, who were a majority of the population in some states and in many counties of the Deep South where cotton had been cultivated. It is also the means by which white Southerners exercised outsize power in Congress, as they had seats apportioned by total population, but they had excluded a great proportion of the population from politics. This disfranchisement is well documented, and I will be adding cited material to this article. The disfranchisement was not defeated until after Congressional passage of civil rights legislation in the 1960s. By that time, 6.5 million African Americans had already left the South in the Great Migration to escape its oppressive society.Parkwells (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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thread_title: Solid South based in disfranchisement of blacks

message: The claim that the south moved to the GOP party due to GOP appeals to racism is NOT at all an established fact.  The original entry stated it as such without any citation.  I have added a reference which states supports the view and one which refutes the view.  I  can add several more which refute the view but to avoid giving undue weight I left it at one reference each.  If an editor feels this text shouldn't be in the article please justify why.Getoverpops (talk) 14:13, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: See the ongoing discussion at Southern Strategy that you are perfectly aware of. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I don't see how that makes the edits here invalid?  Please justify not including that information in this article.  Note that my reference (Johnson and Shafer) and it's claim has been in the article for over two years. Getoverpops (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem here is that the edit in question gives undue weight to a marginal point of view. It introduced a false equivalence and contained a weasel word, so was rightly reverted. gobonobo + c 12:17, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: We have a disagreement then.  The view is not marginal and if you feel that way please prove it.  I can provide a number of sources academic sources that disagree.  Which sources do you have that state otherwise?  I would be happy to provide an extensive list of sources that say the Southern Strategy was not a factor in the move to the GOP.  I would suggest you review WP:BALANCE.Getoverpops (talk) 03:37, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  June 16th edits. 

message: It is little more than the Census outline of the "Southern United States" administrative region. That does not warrant half the lead. Dustin (talk) 06:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Second paragraph of lead section 

message: In the "Southern Strategy" today section, it says "Republicans control all 22 of the other legislative bodies in the former Confederacy". 22? That number seems too high. What legislative bodies does this text refer to? Dustin (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The 11 full Confederate states all have bicameral legislatures so it presumably means the Republicans control(led?) both houses in all 11 of them. Timrollpickering 14:14, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legislative bodies of the former Confederacy 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: jim justice was elected as a democrat so his box should be half  blue hlaf red  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.54.202.132 (talk) 10:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  jim justice party affliliation 

message: Is "Southern Bloc" that widely used outside of contemporary sources? It seems like it would have too many modern connotations compared to the much more period-specific "Solid South", in which case the lead sentence should be amended to read "at the time also known as the Southern Bloc" Orchastrattor (talk) 22:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Sentence Bolding