Talk:Ann Richards

message: Just a brief note to say that I made some minor (marked them as such) changes to the introduction based on what I saw in the biographical style guide and switched some repetitious wording ("Ann Richards, Ann Richards, Ann Richards, etc.") for what I think is better flow.  Thanks! Douglasmtaylor 00:06, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor changes from first-time editor 

message: The fact that a speech is included on AmericanRhetoric.com doesn't make it one of the best of the twentieth century. American Rhetoric has zillions of speeches archived. It just means that for some reason, it's worth keeping. Richards' nomination speech in 1988 was good, but it wasn't one of the best of the twentieth century. That's just silly.
DoyleSrader 12:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination speech not one of the best 

message: I believe it deserves mention that there were some criticisms of Ann Richards from several sources. I do not believe that stating this constitutes bias. If anyone wishes to rewrite the "Criticism" section they may do so, but I think some mention of her use of the death penalty does belong there.
Piercetp 11:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism does not constitute bias

message: I just heard on the CBS Radio Network around 23:00 EST that Richards has died from cancer of the esophagus.
:Confirmed.  AP story here Billbrock 03:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: Was she a smoker?  Hence the esophageal cancer?  Can't find any information on her smoking history...Joe 06:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: She was an alcoholic, her drinking likely caused / contributed to her final illness. The article should state whether or not she smoked, most alcoholics are smokers and smoking causes are large proportion of esophageal cancer cases. Qzm (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoker? 

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thread_title:  Indent citations 

message: The article should mention Miriam A. Ferguson and explain why Richards is the first woman governor "in her own right." I don't want to change the page without some consensus because a lot of readers will be here due to her death. Lamont A Cranston 14:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Should mention Miriam A. Ferguson

message: Anybody know if she did her own voice when she appeared on King of the Hill? I assume she did, but the King of the Hill article doesn't say, and I don't know where to find this information. Lamont A Cranston 14:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, she did. Her name's in the credits at the end of the episode. Fearfulsymmetry 15:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that possible? She died in 1995, and the episode premiered in 2001. You're telling me she provided a guest voice six years after she died?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.54.83 (talk) 19:56, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She died in 2006. Qzm (talk) 14:09, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Did she act on ''King of the Hill''?

message: Ann Richards was an amazing orator with an ascerbic wit and the ability to quip amazing one-liners that truly cut to the core of the issue at debate... I believe that including a list of her memorable quotes would be a great addition to the page. My suggestions include:
*Regarding the wealthy, then-Vice President George H. W. Bush, "Poor George, he can't help it...He was born with a silver foot in his mouth."
*Regarding her opponent in the 1994 Texas Gubernatorial Race, George W. Bush: "George Bush was born on third base - woke up and thought he hit a triple."
*Regarding her possibility of running for President, and lack of funds to do so: "I don't want to end up living in a trailer parked in my daughter's driveway in Austin."
(Source: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2006/09/14/smith_on_richards/index.html )
Cheez0r 01:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Memorable quotes

message: Ann marched in a Gay Pride Parade in or around 1998, in Austin, Texas. This would seem to me to be a pretty important item of her history and should be included IMO. Cheez0r 01:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 16-September-2006:  I realize there are a lot of major events left out of the article.  Since Ann Richards was popular in Hollywood, there should be many sources of extra details.  Feel free to add much more:  Wikipedia articles can easily run 10 pages or more, since the "WP:NOT paper" decision (Because Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, there is no size restriction based on book sizes).  However, try to cite a news article (can be webpage news) for each event, and try to use long-term sources, such as long-running Hollywood magazines or websites that leave articles online for years.  I could easily expect an article of 10 pages or more, since Ann Richards was the first woman Governor of Texas in 50 years, and she promoted film production in Texas, was emcee of Hall of Fame, supported Austin City Limits & the South by Southwest Festival (SXSW), was a possible target of Karl Rove (in the film Bush's Brain), spoke about Halliburton's U.S. Army no-bid, sole-source contracts, co-authored 2 books, etc., etc. -70.249.35.103 08:28, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Pride parade

message: The article had stated that in 1997, "all lottery net revenue was redirected to the state's Foundation School Fund" (had been General Revenue); however, as of April 2006, some of the lottery proceeds still go to the Texas General Revenue Fund:
: "The State of Texas will have $71.9 billion in General Revenue-Related funds to finance appropriations in the 2006-07 biennium. This revenue will come from three sources: tax collections; non-tax receipts such as fees, lottery proceeds, and interest; and the 2004-05 biennium ending balance."  [webpage with 2005 lottery: Texas "2006-07 Revenue Estimate" (April 2006)]
There is no evidence that the lottery proceeds were ever dedicated totally to education funding, and for that reason, I have reworded the Ann Richards article at the Lottery section. [amended now]  -70.249.35.103 14:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lottery proceeds

message: What do these have to do with Richards? Certainly they are moving pictures, but this is not a memorial page to her. I suggest not adding them again--they have absolutely nothing to do with Richards herself. And at the same time, shouldn't the memorial be in a different section, to be removed later? She's dead, the funeral is over, and we all need to get on with life. Her funeral should not be the first thing a visitor unfamiliar with Ann Richards should see when he visits this page. Again PLEASE DO NOT ADD THE PICTURES AGAIN UNTIL THIS IS DISCUSSED AND REMOVED!!!  [Pahoran513 20:22 17 September 2006]
:Since the death of Ann Richards, this article has been tagged as a current event ("{current}"), so details of her death and memorial service are the most recent, as a current event, and have been placed near the top of the article.  As for the comment, "the funeral is over," that is totally incorrect: the public service will be on September 18 at noon, and the private burial is planned for later.  Beginning four days ago, people placed yellow roses in the Capitol Rotunda, in memory of Ann Richards.  So, those pictures are very much related to the article and part of the current event.  Once the article is no longer a current event, then the memorial-service section could be moved further down inside the article.  I think the text about the memorial explains that the funeral is not over yet. -70.249.35.103 21:47, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I stand corrected. I did not understand that the memorial services were not completely over yet--all I saw was Clinton on TV with crying children and adults. I'm sorry. But I still don't believe that the pictures belong--not only are they not referenced in the memorial section, but don't belong in this article. Maybe if a seperate article about the memorial events were created they could go there, but I found them to be a distraction from the article itself. So could we compromise on this? I won't make a stink about the memorial section still being so prominent (I'm not entirely comfortable with that yet) if you (70.249.35.103) won't add the pictures again. Agreed? Pahoran513 22:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

text: These sorts of things can be added to the article provided they are verifiable and cited to reliable sources. howcheng  {chat} 02:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Flowers? The Capitol?

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thread_title:  YouTube links 

message: Section seems to be written from Amnesty POV -- one I endorse, fwiw, but still recognize as contrary to WP policy.  - PhilipR 03:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  <nowiki>{{POV-check-section}}</nowiki> 

message: I recall my former girl friend telling me that Ann Richards had been endorsed by the residents of Texas' death row and she lost the race with George W Bush in what my girlfriend described as a "fry off" 80.96.217.220 14:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-election race 

message: I wasn't sure how to disambig at the top to two different people (I just wrote an article on a third Ann Richards), so I did it manually. If you can fix, please do. Algabal 09:01, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Disambig

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message: Someone should include her role in the Waco siege--didn't it occur during her term?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.127.52.20 (talk) 01:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Waco?

message: Why do we need to have this non-free image? I remember there was a ruckus a while back when I replaced it with the free alternative :Image:AnnRichards 20050210.jpg because it "didn't accurately portray her as was when she was in office" (not an actual quote, but the gist of the argument). While I still don't buy that argument because free media always trumps non-free media, it's now completely rendered moot because :Image:Ann-Richards-STS-40-JSC-visit-1992.jpg is from her period in office and now WP:NFCC #1 (non-free media cannot be used when there is a free equivalent that serves the same encyclopedic purpose) should be satisfied. What reasoning is there to keep the non-free portrait? howcheng  {chat} 03:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been no argument to the contrary, I have removed the non-free image in favor of the free image. howcheng  {chat} 16:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox image 

message: "Other people attribute her loss to the fact that she vetoed the Concealed Carry Bill that would have allowed licensed citizens to carry guns for self-defense inside public establishments without the owner's permission. Bush would thereafter sign a concealed-gun law, which was pushed by a future Republican lawmaker, state Representative Suzanna Hupp of the Killeen-based district. Another factor may have been President Bill Clinton and the national Democratic party's unpopularity in Texas at the time, as Richards had played a prominent role in the 1992 Democratic National Convention, and the Bush campaign successfully associated her with the national party."
This section seems to be an unreferenced editorial.  Any ref's for it? Reboot (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unref'd statements 

message: The section from George_W._Bush#Governor_of_Texas on the election is stronger than this version. Reboot (talk) 15:34, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note 

message: I've tagged this section with the "off-topic" template since it provides little relevant information to the late Gov. Richard's substantive position on capital punishment and reads like it was written by Amnesty International.
I think it should be removed or it should be much reduced, stripped of the NPOV problems, and folded into the section on her political career.  As this section notes, given the fact--as noted by the editor of the section!--that Texas governors essentially have no power over capital punishment (pardons and commutations of those sentenced to death are the purview of a special 15 member committee), so devoting an entire section to it gives it an appearance of importance out of all proportion to reality of capital punishment in Texas.
PainMan (talk) 16:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Issue over Death Penalty" section 

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thread_title:  born on 

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message: I added a brief blurb about her role as a pioneer in challenging traditional gender roles in speaking. I would like to add more if this seems appropriate. Shnmjns (talk) 18:45, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest revising what you have added. It reads like a rather glowing opinion. I think it needs better textual support and to be tied to more facts. For example, was there polling to support any changes to public opinion? Did other subsequent office holders cite Richards as an inspiration? I think exploring how gender affected Richards' career and how her career paved the way for others are promising things to explore. The approach needs to be refined to keep in mind the purpose of the article. Knope7 (talk) 03:57, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feminist rhetoric and leadership style 

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message: This is an article that, despite it covering a woman who spent 25 years in politics to rise to being the Governor of Texas, contains barely a mention of anything to do with her policies and positions and achievements as the Governor and before. What were her signature achievements? You'd never know from this article.
I am presently fixing bits of NPOV and, frankly, shoddy treatment of a famous woman politician in this article.
The worst part, however? If you read this article you wouldn't actually know what you should expect to find from a biographical encyclopedia article. Doesn't even serve its most basic purpose: "tell folks the important things about this person, concisely."
I mean come on Wikipedians. Do better. This is 2023.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiritu (talk • contribs) 20:36, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article about a career politician contains no mention of her politics 

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