Talk:Cigar/Archive 1

message: defining the colors of cigars. I always felt like a kid in a candy store with every conversation and experience with these peoplfails on names, but the list includes: Richard Dineola, a 40-year veteran from Consolidated and proud owner of the Dimeola line of fine cigars, and representatives from Indian Tabac, CAO, AVO, Perdomo, Fuente and Acid.
; Color Designations : Candela, Natural, EMS, Maduro, Oscuro and single letter code identification.
; Candela : Double Claro, Jade, Light Green, AMS - C
; Natural : Shade Grown, Claro, Light Brown - N
; EMS : Colorado, Medium Brown, English Market Selection - E
; Maduro : Colorado Maduro, Dark Brown, SMS - M
; Oscuro : Double Maduro, Very Dark Brown, Black - O
Seeing this, one will notice that Double Claro is lighter than Claro, while Double Maduro is darker than Maduro. Other color definitions have been used, such as Colorado Red for EMS, and Red Maduro for Maduro, but in all the tobacco shops, catalogs, warehouses and conversations that I know of, these seem to be the most common. Davjohn 09:27, 3 Jan 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Colors

message: Source for cigar factory reader (from http://www.epinions.com/content_1661640836):
"An interesting aspect of the rolling process are the "Readers." The Readers are persons employed by the factories to read to the rollers and entertain them while they work. A process started in the days before radio and television. They still carry it on in some factories.A good reader is almost as valuable as a good roller, and keeps the workers informed with newspaper articles, and entertained with novels. Jose Marti a major figure in Cuba's fight for independence from Spain in the nineteenth century was a cigar factory reader at one point in his life."
Eric Herboso  07:57, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Cigar readers and the Montecristo brand

message: Hi, I just removed the NPOV warning, as I can't find anywhere anything that would be considered biased. If there is, feel free to post it here and put the warning back on, but it seemed rather unnecessary to me. -Haon 16:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Why did someone removed a bunch of links from the external links section ? Almost all the blogs have been removed?! Why is that ?! Some cigar blogs are very well done... I don't see the point. Can s.o. explain ? g999b
:we don't need 20 links. Wikipedia is not a collection of external links. Zanaq 11:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Link Section

message: How old do you have to be to buy a cigar in America???
:I would think the legal age to buy tobacco products in your state is the legal age to buy a cigar. So basically the legal age to buy cigarettes. Philip Gronowski Contribs 05:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The legal age to buy tobacco in America is 18.--HughJorgan 22:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Except in Suffolk County, NY --- they changed it to 19 in May of 2005. - Jimmy 02:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It varies state to state. Alabama requires (or required when I was a teen) that you be 19. Lamont A Cranston 23:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age??? 

message: How about this one, although the shapes described in the article sometimes contradict how I always thought them.
Anyway, if it's any good it's yours. --Hellahulla 10:48, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shape diagram 

message: Different manufacturers use different processing methods, tobacco types, and additives. These can be used to determine the origin of the cigars, using forensic chemistry methods. I have an unsourced claim that propylene glycol is used as a moisturizer in virtually all cigars except those made in Cuba, therefore lack of its presence in the cigar may serve as an indication it is a Cuban one. Is it true? Any source? Any details about this?
--Shaddack 22:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Propylene glycol is often used in humidor water to help control humidity. So it may be present in any cigar that has been in a humidor that uses this type of system. However as to whether the chemical enters the cigars from just being in the water is something I do not know. --62.173.194.7 11:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additives? 

message: The 'method' of smoking a cigar would be an interesting addition to the introduction of the article.
:Yes, including how to select, cut, light, and smoke it. Cla68 21:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smoking Cigar 

message: Smokers should have an alternative to the bipolarity of "all or nothing"-- either purchasing and consuming tobacco in expensive giant overdoses of several grams each or cold turkey quitting.
So, how about including a reminder that with an appropriate utensil one may reduce the serving size of "a smoke" from an entire cigar each time you light up, down to 25 mg.:
l.  Start with a quarter-inch socket wrench.
 
2.  Push a screen (Mesh 40) about 3/16" of the way into the hex end.
3.  Push a quarter-inch (outer diameter) flexible plastic tube into the other (square, or driver") end.  This should be long enough to give the smoke time to cool down before it reaches you.
4.  Wrap duct tape around the seam.
5.  Wire on a big safety pin for occasional clearing of screen windows.
6.  Have on hand prickly pipe cleaners, q-tips, and a small bottle of rubbing alcohol for clean-outs (infrequent).
7.  Have one or more small cases in which to carry cigar(s) around so you can choose which flavor of toke you at any particular time.
With a razor knife cut off a tiny bit of the cigar (25 mg.) and stuff it in the screened end of your utensil.  While sucking slow to achieve low burning temperature, light sparingly.  You will find you can suck continuously up to four seconds before filling your mouth, and then "puff" the acquired material quickly out the nose to resume the slow sucking process for several seconds longer. 
If you aren't afraid what others think, this can save you a ton of money (the hell with their profit margin) and it eliminates the side stream smoke "liberals" are supposedly enraged about.
If there is any danger cops will inspect your car and object to such a utensil, have your congressman send you a letter certifying it is for safe hygienic tobacco use.
all>—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tokerdesigner (talk • contribs) 00:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Harm Reduction 

message: How necessary is a humidor?  Will my cigars keep just fine for, say, six months, without a humidor?  How about a year?  Anyone? 22:28, 10 June 2006 Daveyjoe
:An encyclopedia is not a helpdesk, and all comments should be focused on improving the article, therefore this comment will not address your questions directly, and neither should the article: an encyclopedia is not a how-to manual.  The preservation of cigars is briefly mentioned under Cigar#Manufacture. I wonder if there could not be a more expansive section on preservation of cigars, which is not under manufacture. You may sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) — Zanaq (?) 05:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Preservation

message: Cutting a Cigar
Can anyone provide information on how to cut a cigar?  Do you cut as close to the head as possible or some other length?
Cutting a cigar can be done with either a guillotine bullet (punch) cutter.  Much less common is a "V" or Wedge cutter.
With a guillotine, you should cut it as close as possible to the head.  All you want to do is shave off a bit of the cap to allow free flow of the smoke.  The cap also helps hold the outer wrapper leaf in place, so you don't want to cut off too much, or the wrapper may start to unravel.
The above applies only to parejos, or straight-sided cigars.  For figurados, it's a case-by-case thing, cut enough to get a smooth, easy draw.  If your cheeks pucker in when you draw, you need to cut more off.
The cutting of a cigar, as well as the smoking "ritual" and preservation (in essence this section and the two preceeding) vary a bit by personal preference, but there are some basic guidelines.  If that would be appropriate for this article I could get a brief outline written up -MalkavianX 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cutting a Cigar

message: (diff:) "In fact the construction of Non Cuban Cigars generally are more consisted largley due to huge American and Spanish tobacco companies, but the taste profile for the cigar aficionado most always ends up being Cuban." This may be worthy of inclusion in the article, but could we source and perhaps clean it up? If you happen to be the person who posted that contribution, you have my thanks, and I truly mean no offense, it just doesn't seem quite ready for inclusion in the article yet. Luna Santin 06:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I removed this bit 

message: There is no section naming major cigar brand names. How ridiculous!
*A separate article exists for those brands: Cigar brands. What is lacking, though, is a separate article for many of the non-Cuban brands. If anyone with a decent knowledge of a certain brand and the general structure of such an article is willing to write an objective entry, it would be much appreciated. I'll look into it myself, as soon as I find good sources for reliable information. --Nekotaku 09:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brand Names?? 

message: I am considering removing the following:
:One of the leading experts on Cigar smoking in the UK, J. Freegard, recently opened the "Cigar Bar", the first of it's kind in London. However, some question his knowledge on the subject, since his declaration that "the cigar is more sacred than anything".
One, I don't think it is particularly interesting (in fact much of the popular culture section should probably be reworked or removed). Two, the "However..." sentence seems like a needless slur. Lamont A Cranston 16:33, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Popular culture

message: "Cigars from Cuba are derived from tobacco components found throughout the country of Cuba... This may be why the Cuban cigar is considered to be the best..." -- What?  That's nothing special to Cuba.  It was my understanding that Cuba yielded excellent cigars due to their soil and their climate.  I'm pretty sure other countries mix and match components.  Other countries even use Cuban seeds to grow their tobacco, hoping to get it as close to Cuba as possible.  It doesn't work as well as you'd think.  There's no reference to the "components" statement, and I don't believe it to be true; especially since it goes on to say "this may be why Cubans are considered the best" -- sounds vague with nothing to prove it.  Cubans are considered the best, but it's not common knowledge that's it's due to their "components" being taken from different areas, so there should be some kind of reference there.
*This does indeed seem like a badly constructed claim. I think the idea is that it is understood the quality of the cigars comes from the quality of the components. But then that would have to be explained. Your statements about the climate and soil are a good start. It can also be noted that there is the issue of construction quality. Although Cuba has some of the most appreciated tobacco in the world, their large output means that the consistency of quality in the cigar manufacturing itself varies. --Nekotaku 10:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cuban Cigars