Talk:List of conventional hydroelectric power stations

message: I would also add location (i.e. province, municipality and so on) to the table. --Mac (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the 'List of Power Stations' by Continent as the geographic location as used in the list of Africa. This way it allows better reference to rivers that are international eg Nile / Danube / Mekong etc. Likewise many Power Stations supply countries across international borders, as in Europe particularly, but also Paraguay / Brazil / Argentine etc; so my preference would be to have a listing "Thinking Globally" -- Shunterdownunder (talk) 04:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Location 

message: Whoever uploaded the initial list used a period '.' instead of a comma ',' as a thousands separator. This sorts a large dam like Three Gorges with gigawatt output (1.x GW, 1,xxx MW) as less than smaller dams with ratings of 100+ MW. Unfortunately, I'm still new at this, I don't know how to correct the listings. Karanne (talk) 23:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Edited the source listing so it sorts correctly. Karanne (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sortation by power (MW) 

message: Hello. I suggest we merge the List of largest hydroelectric power stations article with this one. I mean, we can simply find the larger ones by clicking the sort button can we? If thats a bad idea (probably due to the immense size of the target article), option two would be to list all hydroelectric power stations that are above 1000MW (not 2000) and remove similar additions from the other article. What do you think?  Regards. Rehman(+) 12:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose: Depends on how long do you want this list to be? Do you want it to be exhaustive? Just in Quebec, we have over 50 major hydro stations (over 100 MW). And as it stands now, the current trget needs a lot of work, as is it large and not very useful. Bouchecl (talk) 00:53, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, you have a point. Just for comments sake, lets wait and see what other editors think...  Regards. Rehman(+) 11:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Support: Current list in simply too long, even sorting work on strong computer only. 1000 MW seems like good border. Other can be moved to geographically based lists (by continent or country). --78.108.106.253 (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems a good idea to only list the ones larger than a certain margin (ie. 1000MW). This would also be within WP:Notability too, aside being an extra long list. But again, lets see what other users think. Regards. Rehman(+) 16:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: I have changed the article from this to this. Changes were:
* Moved stations smaller than 1000MW to regional lists
* Added some images
* Added column for coords (pending to complete)
* Sort table in alphabetical order
* Added GeoGroupTemplate
Please do let me know of any shortcomings on this change. Regards. Rehman(+) 05:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We have lost data, for the sake of what, beauty and speed? Burger81 (talk) 22:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Burger81. We havent really lost much, as most of the removed were added to regional lists. The ones which were totally gone are the ones without any references. Please do add them back (here or regional-lists, whichever relevant) if you have the references. Besides, the page was 67KB long, which was well over the recommended size; the page needed to be cut smaller. Kind regards. Rehman(+) 00:12, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: We may use  without deleting, if there is no reference.Burger81 (talk) 14:07, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, a lot of entries were removed from the list that weren't sourced. Many are big hydro power plants in Brazil and Canada that do exist. It's a lot of data and it makes a page large, but it is good data for people doing research. It would make one of the best free resources for this data on the web. If one can't be cited, it should tagged  otherwise we lose it and it may never make it back on the list. This will take time...--NortyNort (talk) 15:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, i should've added the citation template instead. Please do give me some time, till the current ongoing works are completed (such as the pumped-storage list). Will add back as much as i can from history. My apologies for this. Kind regards to both. Rehman(+) 08:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reconstruction 

message: I think the distinction is hogwash - as a matter of fact I know it is, I"m from a BC Hydro family and was raised around all kinds of dams and powerplants.  Pretending that "run of the river" is somehow different, when some of those projects now being built in BC are largely than some so-called "conventional" projects is a spurious distinction; and in cases like Daisy Lake-Cheakamus, the Alouette-Stave-Ruskin, Wahleach, Whatshan and other projects, they are very distinct from so-called "conventional" dams, which much more resemble run of the river except in scale; all those are diversion projects, bridging watersheds or reversing their direction (as in the case of Whatshan).  This to me is another case of rearranging deck chairs without actually doing anything useful, and winding up with a result that is overly specific and not really accurate, nor is it the most common usage - and the most common usage does not have "conventional" before hydroelectric development/station, it just doesn't.  It's a jejune distinction created by the marketing people for run-of-the-river promotions and should be reversed.  I"m not around enough and with enough web access to take part in an AfD, but this is another case of where my valuable time is taken up by somebody doing something that's not just plain wrong, and contrary to guidelines, but ultimately spammy, or covertly spammy...."conventional" should be removed from the list's title.Skookum1 (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: For reference, you may go through the original move proposal. Also keep in mind, the current title is now linked to by numerous articles across the Wiki. But of course, if you really want to move this page, you may start another proposal. Kind regards. Rehman(+) 00:25, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the original move proposal, by looking in the history, and the logic there is as flawed as your defence of it here.  The title makes a spammish distinction that really isn't a distinction; hydroelectricity is hydroelectricity, unless you're using heavy water to try and initiate a tritium-helium reaction (i.e. cold fusion).  And it doesn't really matter all if "numerous article across the wiki" are linked to this title; that's easily solvable by a bot; and if those articles have been adjusted in favour of the bias this title evinces, then they've been spammed/p.r.-ified too and should be changed.  This title change is one of those "moving deck chairs" bits of uselessness and time-wastingness that makes Wikipedia frustrating and largely irrelevant to people wanting to do useful edits and valuable contributions, because it creates fictional and illusory distinctions that serve no useful purpose; the "most common usage" of hydroelectricity does not need specialization based on irrational arguments pushing p.r. agendas - being confronted with a "fiat" decision like the previous move proposal and told "here, you can change it if you want to initiate further process" obscures the fact that the original process was flawed, and expecting those pointing out that flaw to start another process, which will also probably be dispensed with by the same half-logic and gullibility that this one was, serves little purpose....if you don't see that that proposal is flawed, and you take part in the next one, there's little point in trying to explain to you why you're wrong because you'll clearly defend the wrong position next time around, too....Skookum1 (talk) 06:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You sound like you are angry or something. ;) Trust me, I have absolutely no problem in moving the page, so much as long as you can start a new formal proposal (new section, correct templates, bla bla). At this point, I do not, in any way, oppose to your future-proposal; I haven't seen a clear (summarized) proposal so far, thats all. No offence buddy. Rehman(+) 08:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

text: I don't think it is accurate when some people call run-of-the-river "damless" or "without" reservoir because that isn't true. And yes often company's will use that as enticement. However, they technically do have a different design and generating method and I still support a separate list. Run-of-the-river hydroelectricity explains that the larger designs are indeed still harmful to the environment. A reader can figure that out in the article and if an editor disagrees with one specific "run-of-the-river" project, inclusion can be argued with reliable sources. I think the MW threshold should be dropped further though to add more facilities to the list. One of the points to r-o-r is to have smaller reservoirs, so they inherently are going to produce less.--NortyNort  (Holla) 08:33, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: NortyNort: exactly.  The distinction is purely a POV/p.r. one.  Rehman: what exactly is conventional then?  Diversion projects like the ones I mentioned - another that comes to mind is the Nechako Diversion and the associated Kemano Powerhouse, which burrows under a mountain range and involves no dams; Bridge River has only one conventional dam/powerhouse arrangement, its uppermost tier at Lajoie Dam/Powerhouse; the next like Nechako/Kemano burrows likewise through a mountain range, delivering the waters of the Bridge River to Seton Lake and two powerhouses there, and at the final tier the third resevoir was originally a natural lake raised by what is little more than a concrete weir and then the water is carried by canal, bridging smaller rivers twice, before burrowing through a small hill to deliver the water to the final powerhouse.  The Cheakamus Project likewise involves a dam that has no generating facility, but is storage only for a tunnel which pierces yet another mountain range to deliver water from Daisy Lake, in the Cheakamus River watershed to the Cheakamus' parent stream, the Squamish, many many miles upstream from their confluence at Cheekeye.  Wahleach also involves a completely diverted-through-the-mountain system; Alouette-Stave-Ruskin there's an upper storage/diversion dam, a tunnel through to another watershed, at the second tier the old falls is just a storage dam while another watercourse was established on the other side of hillock, which is now an island, and the tailrace becomes the feed reservoir for a storage dam which built penstocks through adjacent bedrock.  Buntzen Lake similarly diverts Buntzen Lake into Indian Arm.  This is such a pattern with BC Hydro that even WAC Bennett Dam is not directly connected to Gordon M Shrum Generating Station, they blasted a hole in bedrock through the canyon abutment, rather than build the powerhouse on the dam.  So what I'm getting at is who and what decided there is such a things as "conventional"?  I know the answer - it was the marketing departments of the run-of-the-river guys.....so it's p.r., it's spam, it's POV.Skookum1 (talk) 18:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Run of the river vs conventional 

message: The inclusion of national flags here is only decorative and has no real purpose; they should be removed. I don't have time... Skookum1 (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps it is for decorative purposes ;) Please see WP:MOSICON. I oppose removal of such flags in these types of lists. Rehman(+) 00:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: on that page "    * 2.1.1.1 Do not emphasize nationality without good reason".  I don't see a good reason here; maybe the engineering company logo is more suitable, actually, if anything's going to on here; but this isn't the Olympics, and not a suitable place for national flag-waving.  I find it hard on the eyes, myself, and makes me not want to read the table as they dominate its appearance; what should dominate the table is elevations, volume of reservoir, height of dam, generating capacity etc.  The flags are a side-issue, repetitive, and garish (as national flags tend to me, nationalism itself being garish in nature).Skookum1 (talk) 01:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flagrcruft 

message: There was a problem with list peer reviews and this article's PR request needs to be completed (see above). Thanks and sorry for the mixup, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 15:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
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message: Just looking at this list it appears that Mica Dam and Revelstoke are missing.  Each is probably at least 2000MW capacity.  Is someone vetting these lists for accuracy? 2001:56A:6FE6:4958:BCB5:ADC9:358E:1D95 (talk) 21:24, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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message: Xiangjiaba Dam is 7750 MW
The power station’s installed capacity is 7.75 million kilowatts (eight 800-megawatt giant turbines and three large-scale turbines of 450,000 kilowatts), and the average annual power generation is 30.747 billion kilowatt-hours.
https://www.reduper.com/industry/energy/power-station/hydro/xiangjiaba-dam/ 2001:B011:C040:2444:989B:6271:875:3A3C (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xiangjiaba Dam is 7750 MW