Talk:List of multiple Olympic gold medalists

message: This list is wrong. For exmaple Leon Štukelj is not included, and he won 3 gold medals, 2 silver and 1 bronze. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Stukelj. Marcos G. Tusar (talk) 18:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But he is included. He is listed with the amount of medals you mention and has been so since very early versions of this list. Actually, he's the only athlete from Yugoslavia listed. I believe that list (medals through career) is very close to complete now. There might be one or two still missing, and if you spot one just add him/her, or let us know on this talk page. Shanes (talk) 19:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leon Štukelj? 

message: :This is an attempted answer the implied question. (I did not create this section) Ohno only has two golds so wouldn't fit. He would need one more gold to fit this list. Also if he wins one more medal, of any kind, he should fit in at List of multiple Olympic medalists.--T. Anthony (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apolo Ohno? 

message: If Michael Phelps were from Portugal or another small country he would have many fewer medals, because so many of his medals are from relays where he needed his comrades, and it is much easier to win relays if your country is big and has many other top athletes in the same sport. The same is true for Larissa Latynina and most of the others in this list. I think this obvious advantage for people from the big countries at least must be mentioned. Olympicdreams (talk) 21:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whilst this is true (and ideally the table would include both individual and team medals separate as well), it's also the case that Phelps has more individual Golds (10) than anyone else had total golds.Hackerjack (talk) 12:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge advantage for athletes from big countries 

message: The section "Huge advantage for athletes from big countries" needs revision - compare the small country of Norway which dominated some of the winter sports. I should have written: If Michael Phelps were from Portugal or another country that does not play a dominant role in swimming, he would have many fewer gold medals, because so many of his medals are from relays where he needed his comrades, and it is much easier to win relays if your country has many other top athletes in the same sport. The same is true for Larissa Latynina and most of the others in this list. I think this obvious advantage of people from dominant countries must be mentioned, because it biases the multiple medalist rankings. Probably there should not be any rankings at all due to incomparability of the athletes. I suggest to remove the rankings and order the athletes in an unbiased way, say, alphabetically. Olympicdreams (talk) 20:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the moment I just added: The ranking is biased towards nations with many top athletes in certain sports, since the  athletes with the highest gold medal counts profit from relays and other team competitions typically won by dominant nations. Olympicdreams (talk) 21:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Basement12 just undid this twice and wrote in the history: "Undid revision 236115779 by Olympicdreams (talk)It is unreferenced and extremely POV." But the table itself is the reference, isn't it? It is obvious from the table and its links to gold medal lists for individual athletes that the  athletes with the highest gold medal counts profited from relays and other team competitions typically won by dominant nations.  So the ranking itself expresses a POV, a bias towards athletes from dominant nations. I think this is a serious flaw; maybe the entire table must be deleted. But try to argue against this if you can! Olympicdreams (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: See WP:V. Basement12 (T.C) 22:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: This table should not be deleted, it is simply a list of facts. The purpose of the article is to list athletes have won multiple gold medals, it is not the aim of the article to explain why. Basement12 (T.C) 22:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: But it is not only a list, it is a ranking. The ranking imposes an order that goes beyond the mere listing of facts. I say: keep the list, remove the ranking. If you keep the ranking you insert a bias, making the ranking questionable, as athletes from dominant nations are favored. Olympicdreams (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The ranking is also the way it is. You wouldn't suggest removing the ranking from a football league table just because a team had the advantage of more money, better players, etc. Basement12 (T.C) 23:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's different: football teams don't get additional chances to win separate events, such as relays with 4 different teams. Olympicdreams (talk) 23:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Basement12, you undid it again, without giving a more convincing justification. As I said, the ranking imposes an order that goes beyond the mere listing of facts. If you keep the list, remove the ranking. If you keep the ranking you insert a bias or POV without source, making the whole thing questionable, as athletes from dominant nations are favored. Olympicdreams (talk) 10:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The ranking should definitely stay. So what if athletes from dominant nations are more likely to be at the top. The point is, they are still at the top because they achieved the result. It is completely neutral and a simple list and in a logical order of who has won the most medals. The ranking is absolutely factual and I'm not sure why you have a problem with it unless you have a personal motive. Lympathy  Talk 10:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Rankings questionable as athletes from dominant countries are favored 

message: Instead of a minimum 3 Gold medals to make this list - why not set the minimum to something like... 5 or 6. KyuuA4 (talk) 02:53, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? The more the better, I think, as long as we're within Wikipedia's guideline for article size. Which we are even with 3 golds. Everyone with 2 Golds would be too much, though. Shanes (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are 59 Olympic athletes with 5 gold medals or more. I agree that the minimum shouldn't be 3.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.239.96.162 (talk) 00:43, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Truncating the List 

message: Did anyone on this list other than Ray Ewry win any medals in 1906?  I suggest something like this:
: Medals won in the 1906 Intercalated Games are not included (this only/notably affects Ray Ewry, who won two gold medals at the Intercalated Games).
—Dah31 (talk) 06:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It affects more athletes than him. At the moment I don't remember who, but there are several athletes who now aren't listed that would have made this list and some who would have been higher if the 1906-games were included. I don't think we should start mentioning names in the article regarding this, it borders on POV who of them are notable enough to mention and who aren't. The Intercalated games aren't recognized by the IOC as olympic games, so, in my opinion, we should just stick to that and not count medals won in 1906 here. Shanes (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes but Ewry is the only one who is remotely close to the top of the list, and would be 2nd on the list if they were included. Since some sources include the 1906 games (e.g. my old 1970s Guiness World Record book), I think it's fair - and more importantly, informative to people who had read that Ewry had won 10 - to add a comment. Adpete (talk) 06:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intercalated Games 

message: should there also be a section that states the following.
the most Gold Medals won
the most Silver Medals won
the most Brooze Medals won
the most medals won altogerther
that would awnser the questions most ask after they look at a list like this  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.237.54.62 (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: By clicking the little icon in each column, you can have the table sorted as you like it and for instance see who won the most medals. But there are some athletes who won lots of medals, but not 3 gold and therefore aren't listed here. For instance Shirley Babashoff with 2 golds aren't listed here, but she won 6 silver which ties Alexander Dityatin for winning the most silver medals. So maybe we could mention these, and the same with bronze. Need to be researched first, though. I don't know the complete records here. Does anyone? Shanes (talk) 12:14, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative rankings 

message: I see someone has added 2000 to Phelps' years; he competed in Sydney but won no medals.  OTOH Paul Bert Elvstrøm is listed only for the years he got medals; he competed as late as 1988. This needs to be standardised one way or the other and then explained clearly above the table.  I would imagine that most people are listed only for the years they won medals, since it's  more tedious to check other years. jnestorius(talk) 08:32, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, when this list was first made a couple of years back, I only checked when they had won the medals, not if they had also entered earlier or later olympics. And this is how the list still is, I believe, with the recent exception Phelps. I'll undo that edit, and add a note. If someone wants to change this and include all Olympics in the year-column, we should probably discuss it here first. Shanes (talk) 09:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Years 

message: about a decade ago I remember reading something about a sailor who have won 10-11 goldmedals in the Olympics. Does anyone else know anything about this.--Ezzex (talk) 12:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't heard or read anything about that, but the early sailing records from IOC are blury and often lacking (as are the records of the early shooting events), and there could be sailors who won 3 or more golds still missing from this list. But I very much doubt anyone won as many as 10. Maybe it was 10 medals? That could be. Shanes (talk) 13:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a sailor with 10 or 11 gold in Olympic ? 

message: I hope people don't mind that I added a timeline section.  I thought it would be helpful to the reader.  Remember (talk) 13:27, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mind. But did you research this yourself, and if so, could there be people not on the main list who had records in total number of medals? Hmm, Carl Osburn should push out Hubert Van Innis from the total medlas list, shouldn't he? Shanes (talk) 13:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't research it myself so there could be some errors or mistakes.  I just utilized the current listings in the chart and went from there.  Additionally, I assumed that people won medals at the last olympics they participated in, but that may not be the case.  Remember (talk) 13:46, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you didn't resarch the list yourself, where did you find it, then? It's rather typical that they overlooked Carl Osburn, he isn't the most well known olympian. (But at one point he was actually listed by the IOC as having 13 medals, 2 more in 1924 when he was on two American shooting teams, but didn't actually shoot). Anyway, by 1920 Osburn had 10 medals, that's one more than Van Innis with 9, so I don't think van Innis should be there. Shanes (talk) 13:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is correct.  I assumed that Osborn won two or more in 1924 and so was behind Van Innis up to that point, but if I am wrong, please change. Remember (talk) 14:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He just won one medal in 1924, so by 1920 he had 10 medals, by 1924 he had 11. Ok, I've removed Van Innis. Shanes (talk) 14:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest we revise both timeline tables (as I have started to do) to state how many medals were won at each olympics.  That way the tables will be more accurate. Remember (talk) 14:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: Great section, only I think that silver, bronze and total medals should be removed from this section as it's not relevant and can cause a bit of confusion to the reader. Lympathy  Talk 15:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point. They are irrelevant for that list. Removing them will make the list clearer. Shanes (talk) 15:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline of Gold Medal Winners 

message: Sorry, I am not a regular user but I did notice a glaring omission in that Canadian Cindy Klassen is absent from this list.  She won 6 medals, including 5 in Turin).
Thanks!  McKell  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.212.129.2 (talk) 16:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but only one gold. There are many other athletes with 6 or more medals who also aren't listed here, since this list is/was supposed to focus on the gold medals (hence the name). But if someone have the energy and patience to go through the IOC-records and compile a list of people who have won, say, 6 or more medals, then that could be an interesting list. But I suggest a new article for that, this article is already getting very large. Shanes (talk) 16:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I am working on a page for listing olympians by total medals won here - User:Remember/SandboxList. Remember (talk) 17:11, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cindy Klassen missing from list 

message: Isn't Richard Meade GBR gold three day event team 1968 & 1972 and individual three day event 1972 missing?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.67.146.3 (talk) 09:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Meade 

message: Is the current title of the page the correct one?  Wouldn't it be better to rename it List of Olympians with most gold medals? Other suggestions? I just feel like the current title is awkward. Remember (talk) 16:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The page seems to be shifting away from just gold medals. A rename should be considered. But I cannot think of anything more appropriate at this stage. Lympathy  Talk 16:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I am removing the timeline of record for multiple medal winners and so that we can create a page that just lists the record according to most total medals won.  The page can be worked on here - User:Remember/SandboxList. Remember (talk) 17:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename page 

message: Too lazy to make an account to fix it, but make note that I'm pretty sure Michael Phelps does NOT have 22 gold medals.  Did someone time travel?  ;)  Re-edit please.  =D  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.8.204.130 (talk) 05:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Check Before Posting 

message: It would be good to have an equivalent list for the Paralympics. French swimmer Béatrice Hess, for example, has won a whopping total of twenty gold medals at the Paralympics (and three silver). I have no idea whether this makes her the most successful competitor ever at the Paralympics & Olympics, because I'm not sure where to find the information. I'll look around when I have time, and hopefully we can begin working on a list of multiple Paralympic gold medalists. Aridd (talk) 18:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: For the record, I can't find anything on the IPC website. Aridd (talk) 22:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

text: I've started a draft version here. Feel free to help me complete it, little by little. Aridd (talk) 22:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think this list will be "ready for prime time" at any point? I think I tried to turn a few of the red-links blue on it. I could maybe look to see if more names need added.--T. Anthony (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your help. The problem is going to be twofold: the sheer number of multiple medallists, and ensuring, somehow, that we don't forget anyone. Given the workload involved, I can't commit myself to getting it done within the near future, unfortunately. Aridd (talk) 13:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paralympics 

message: what about saitiev and other russian wrestlers?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigaufe (talk • contribs) 06:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  russian wrestlers 

message: Could someone please amend his entry so that "(athlete)" does not appear but it still links to the correct page? I don't know how to do that in table like this. (It previously just had his name but linked to a disambiguation page.) Salopian (talk) 07:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like it's already been done Lympathy  Talk 12:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Johnson

message: As this is a list of multiple Gold medal winners the rankings should be based entirely on the number of gold medals won, i.e. anybody with 3 gold medals should have the same ranking, regardless of the number of silver and bronze medals they have won. Otherwise this is effectively still partially listing by total medals won for which there is a seperate article. Basement12 (T.C) 15:08, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the ranking is at worst harmless.  It's fairly obvious how the current ranking works, so it's not sneaky or misleading.  If someone wants to use the alternative ranking you suggest they can just glance up the table from whatever person to the top-listed person with the same number of golds and use their ranking instead.  jnestorius(talk) 20:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rankings 

message: Where? JukoFF (talk) 20:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The list is incomplete. Please add him and any others you know of who should be on the list. Basement12 (T.C) 20:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ОК. JukoFF (talk) 20:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Vladimir Artemov]]

message: Ole Einar Bjørndalen won 4 gold medals in Salt Lake city Olympic in 2002. --Ezzex (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So add him to the list. Algebraist 22:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I have said previously "The list is incomplete". Please do add him and any others you know of who should be on the list, we have no single source to create this list from its simply being added to as we go. Basement12 (T.C) 22:56, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing winner on "List of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games" 

message: Of the seven Indian players to win three Olympic gold medals for hockey (field), only Udham Singh and Leslie Claudius also won a silver medal.  JukoFF (talk) 17:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 7

message: He won 3 gold medals. Table error. JukoFF (talk) 23:01, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Vilhelm Carlberg]]

message: Won two gold, one silver, one bronze medal in winter Olympics (speedskating - 1984-1988-1992) and one silver in summer Olympics (cycling - 1988)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.163.41.240 (talk) 11:30, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The list only includes people with three or more gold. Shanes (talk) 09:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Christa Luding-Rothenburger missing 

message: This article has gotten too big. I suggest splitting it in two. One for List of multiple Olympic gold medals over career, and one for the rest. That first list was the only one here to begin with, those others just got added during the 2008 summer olympics. But these lists will only keep growing, and we might as well make the split now. Any objections or opinions? Shanes (talk) 10:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Haven't heard any objections on this. I've tagged the section now, and will proceed to make the List of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games an article (list) of its own in a few days if nobody objects. This article is now over 150KB, and I really think we should split it.  Shanes (talk) 20:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I strongly agree with splitting. I suggest combining the career lists List of multiple Olympic gold medals over career, Most gold medals in individual events and Timeline of most gold medals in the present article, and moving the single-games lists List of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games and Timeline of most gold medals won at a single Olympic Games into a new article (plus a new list Most gold medals in individual events at a single Olympic Games). The remaining section, Most gold medals in one event, could either be given a separate article (as would be most appropriate) or added to either of the first two articles. The most consistent division would be to have one article about single games, one about single events, and one about full career - the combination of single games and single events. Each article would include a list on individual performance and a timeline. --Gap9551 15:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I created the new section I mentioned above, named 'List of most individual gold medals won at a single Olympic Games'. Gap9551 (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

text: I added a Split template, hoping to get some more opinions. The article size exceeds the 100 kB suggestion (WP:SIZE) by a large margin. Gap9551 (talk) 21:18, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just go ahead and split it, Gap. I meant to do it myself long ago, but I just never got around to doing it. We've waited long enough, and this being between games is a good time to get it done. --Shanes (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting the article 

message: Leisel Marie Jones OAM (born 30 August 1985 in Katherine, Northern Territory, Australia)
Olympic medal record 
Women's swimming 
Competitor for  Australia 
Silver 2000 Sydney 100 m breaststroke 
Silver 2000 Sydney 4 x 100 m medley relay 
Bronze 2004 Athens 100 m breaststroke 
Silver 2004 Athens 200 m breaststroke 
Gold 2004 Athens 4 x 100 medley relay 
Gold 2008 Beijing 100 m breaststroke 
Silver 2008 Beijing 200 m breaststroke 
Gold 2008 Beijing 4 x 100 m medley relay  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.128.0.163 (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Leisel Jones missing G3S4B1 

message: only include games when they won medals
Michael Phelps has the years 2000-2008, but he didn't win medals in 2000? Or did he? I thought he didn't. 85.217.46.164 (talk) 15:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct, I changed it.Gap9551 16:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrong years? 

message: Because the original article size had reached 166 kB, exceeding the limit of 100 kB (suggested by WP:SIZE), and after discussion, this article has been split. The present article remains, covering career total gold medals, plus a timeline and an individual gold medal section. The newly created List of multiple Olympic gold medalists at a single Games is similar but covers single Olympic Games only. The remainder, which didn't fit in either of these two articles, has been moved to List of multiple Olympic gold medalists in one event. A similar splitting has been performed on List of multiple Olympic medalists. Gap9551 (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Well done! --Shanes (talk) 20:04, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: As there has been some concerns about the stronger nations' athletes better possibilities to team medals, how about a "List of multiple individual Olympic gold medalists", excluding the team events? There could be seen how many medals each person won alone. 82.141.74.224 (talk) 11:40, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That list already exists! Near the bottom of the page: List of multiple Olympic gold medalists#List of most career gold medals in individual events Gap9551 (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good start. However, the basic list has over 400 entries and the "individual" list only 19. The same criteria could be applied to that list (at least 3 gold medals). 82.141.66.136 (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, feel free to add names. I'll try to work on it too. Gap9551 (talk) 10:41, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article has been split into 3 articles on June 13, 2011 

message: Why are there no British athletes mentioned on this list?  Have I missed something?  We have a number of atheletes who have won 5 or more gold medals.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.107.235 (talk) 21:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look closer. There are 13 athletes from Great Britain on the list. Two of them have 5 gold (Redgrave and Hoy). --Shanes (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Athletes??... 

message: The people with the same number of gold medals do not seem to be in any order.  I looked at those with nine medals, and they are not alphabetical by name or country, nor are they by year.  I think they should be ordered in one of these ways. 202.179.27.211 (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: If they have the same number of gold medals, they are ranked by number of silver, and then bronze medals. --Shanes (talk) 10:54, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

text: When I added some names to the individual gold medals list I put them in chronological order if they had same amount of medals. Make91 (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  sub-ordering 

message: We need to writ a rank of most career medals in team events. RafaVinhal (talk) 03:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I think a more meaningful list would be of the leading medallist(s) in each sport. Because it's much easier to win multiple sports in some sports than others. Adpete (talk) 03:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of most career medals in team events  

message: It looks to me like the "Games" category lists all the athletes' genders, while the "Gender" category lists the number of total medals. I don't know how to make that switch without majorly messing up the page, so I'm just bringing it to everyone's attention and maybe a more skilled editor can then address it. :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justagirl1275 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Did someone fix it? I don't see anything wrong currently. Gap9551 (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender and Games sections swapped? 

message: The top table is not sortable, for some reason I cannot discern.Ordinary Person (talk) 09:06, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsortable 

message: Hate to rain on her parade, but shouldn't her ranking be lower, in the table for most individual golds in a single Olympics? Yes, she won 4 golds (and 1 bronze) this year, but 1 of those golds was the team gymnastics all-around. If you're going solely by individual events, then her entry should say 3 golds and 1 bronze for a total of 4 individual medals this year. Otherwise, if you're going to count team golds, Michael Phelps would have another entry for this year because he won 2 individual golds, 3 team golds, and 1 individual silver, for a total of 5 golds and 6 medals.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.215.35 (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simone Biles 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: missing. --Акутагава (talk) 15:05, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oreste Puliti and Allison Schmitt 

message: Al Oerter US Discus Thrower won 4 Olympic Gold Medals not included in your List ??
ChinChin  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.148.187 (talk) 10:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Look again. He is correctly listed with 4 golds in both tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Al Oerter 

message: Missing Natalie Coughlin who has a total of 11 medals at the summer Olympics???
3 gold, 4 silver and 4 bronze — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.248.2.40 (talk) 
:The list requires at least 4 gold or at least 3 individual gold. Natalie Coughlin has 3 gold but only 2 individual so she doesn't qualify. She is listed in List of multiple Olympic medalists. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:45, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Natalie Coughlin