Talk:Cyclone Gonu

message: "In Ras Tanura, the storm is expected to hit with full force, disrupting the oil operations of Saudi Aramco indefinitely. Residents should be advised to go as far inland as possible, or at least stay indoors and away from glass at all times. There has been no word yet as to whether Riyadh is far enough inland."
this isn't accurate, as the storm not going to even come this far west. Aspshortjock 15:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You were right to remove it. All new additions should be properly sourced. – Chacor 15:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ras tanuraa 

message: The articles has Gonu listed as reaching a category 3 cyclone. www.wunderground.com has it listed as reaching category 5. Which is correct?
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/na200702.htmlOrichalcon 17:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to JTWC, it peaked with 1-minute sustained winds of 140 kt, which is Category 5-equivalent, at 1200 UTC on June 4. - SpLoT // 17:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Category 3 is the current status. It has weakened since its peak. —Cuiviénen 17:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: but we haven't put Katrina as a category 2, as it was like that in its final hours!!!??? --TheFEARgod (Ч) 15:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The template is for current information. When the storm is over the final infobox will reflect peak status. – Chacor 15:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category 3 or 5? 

message: This article has a wealth of knowledge, which is a pleasant surprise considering where it is expected to make landfall.  I could see this becoming a GA rather quickly after dissipation.  Thegreatdr 22:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is impact, which is rather short so far. Hurricanehink (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Once it dissipates, GA? 

message: I'm just curious, is this the first time a storm has made it into the Gulf of Oman? Either way, this one is going to be the FARTHEST a storm has made it into the gulf- perhaps that should be included in the article once it's done? 
Great Article so far, by the way, whoever wrote it. Would you like to write the Atlantic articles too? :) -Winter123 05:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Jeff Masters' blog, this is the first cyclone to ever enter the Gulf of Oman. bob rulz 07:04, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Might be record latitude, but definitely isn't record longitude. Storms have struck Somalia before. —Cuiviénen 13:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, check out this basin tracks image. -- RattleMan 14:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I saw the image already, but storms before 1970 aren't well documented from what I can see, that's why I asked. Thanks. If it makes it into that little bend of the gulf, it will be at the northernmost point in the Indian Ocean, hence record latitude (over water). -Winter123 14:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Record latitude/longitude? 

message: There's a damage pic on the Arabic Wiki, though I'm not sure how easily it would be to transfer. If anyone is interested in trying, here's the link. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Damage image 

message: There are hundreds of user submitted videos, pictures and blog entries available at http://sadaboutgonu.blogspot.com . If anyone else agrees that this is useful information for wikipedia readers, kindly add it to the entry. Thank you.
Stogey 04:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Link fails WP:EL/WP:SPAM imo, but if there's consensus to add then I won't object. Personally against, though. – Chacor 04:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "Shouldn't a wikipedia entry have links to pages that actually show what is happening on the ground in addition to just a satellite image?" If it meets policy, yes. Otherwise, no. Why am I personally against? Because it does not meet Wikipedia's links inclusion policy (11. Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority). The article is not "designed to be in line with other hurricane entries" - it's designed to meet Wiki policy, which trumps all. "surely there should be a human aspect" - WP:NPOV. And "This is worse than mainstream media coverage" - Wikipedia is not WikiNews. – Chacor 05:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: You are missing the point. A recognised authority here would refer to governmental departments or related organisations - and this refers to blog links (i.e. blogs written by scientists, or ministers, or experts). All photos on Wikipedia have to meet our Wikipedia:Image policy. And likewise any content would have to meet the various policy. Your link doesn't. If the photos on your link have been released into public domain and out of copyright, please upload them manually as an image onto Wikipedia for usage, rather than linking to it. – Chacor 06:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Likewise, thank you for remaining civil through the discussion. Just an FYI, you can indent your replies with a colon at the start of your messages. – Chacor 06:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Duly noted. Civil discussion is the ONLY way. Stogey 06:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  User submitted videos, pictures and blog entries 

message: There are some pictures which I took with a personal camera. Actually, LOTS of pictures, and I wanna upload them. Would they be acceptable? Currently the article only has satellite photos, and pictures of car-stacks and 5 meter deep mud are more...interesting XD Unflavoured 01:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you really took them, you can upload them either on this Wikipedia or on Wikimedia Commons. I hope you fared well during the storm. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

text: You can go on and upload a few to Commons if you want; anything you have would definitely help. --Coredesat 10:36, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  my own pictures 

message: This passes all the criteria. Blnguyen  (bananabucket) 03:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA passed 

message: I've removed the sentence saying Gonu was the first TC in the region as it is not true. First since 1945 perhaps, but judging by this image its number 4 since 1877.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How certain are you that those points aren't remnant lows? Remnant lows aren't TCs... – Chacor 02:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Patience. Given that neither the lat or long are distinctive by themselves for this region, I will need time to identify them. Bear in mind with old data that is likely that track is terminated when still as a significant cyclone, there is no agency who warned on it until dissipation ;) A weaker statement saying first since 1945 is fine, if we really want it in article.--Nilfanion (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding [[Gulf of Oman]] 

message: As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2007. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 00:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Sweeps Review: Pass

message: Wind speeds and 
I see that conversion templates have been added and removed a few times already. The problem with these templates is that they have no way of taking into account the fact that the figures for maximum sustained winds and maximum estimated gusts are already rounded to the nearest multiple of five. As a result, when they apply the conversion, they treat it as an exact quantity, which a) gives the appearance of more precision than there actually is, and b) removes accuracy in the measurement. For exact measurements, this is not a problem, and the templates can be used; for pre-rounded quantities (generally wind speeds), the conversion makes them stray from the source material. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 04:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: But would this apply to distances???? Peter Horn User talk 15:14, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Depends on the source. Maritime distances are often taken from the same sources as sustained winds (meteorological discussions), and they are often also rounded. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 23:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Easy to get around the rounding. Example ,  and , pick and choose between "|0|", "|sigfig=3|" and "|sigfig=2|" according to the context and need. A number of Wiki users suffer of "Convert template Phobia" because they have not learned to handle them. Peter Horn User talk 23:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Can the template round to the nearest 5? That always has been the limitation with the conversions that keeps being raised at FAC. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 07:22, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: This appears to be an issue omly in the case of windspeed. I sugest that you put up a request at Template talk:Convert (New section) along with a reason why. I could do that. Peter Horn User talk 20:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Can the knots be hidden as otherwise we will have to add every other measurement under the sun such as m/s when we prefer as a wikiproject just to use Km/h and mph in storm articles. Also some people do get how to use convert templates but prefer not to use them as they take up a lot more room than doing it with a simple   and googleJason Rees (talk) 15:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Of course "knots" can, and should be, "hidden' - by not mentioning, or including, them at all. One only mentions them when a quoted source mentions them as the primary speed measurement. Example:  or /. Imperial first or metric first is dictated by the source. In the case of climate of Puerto Rico it had to be imperial first. By the way it appears that users who may prefer   don't bother with google (what is the link??) at all, at all, because I have come across some real conversion lulus, see Template talk:Convert#Some wikipedians don't like conversion templates. Btw km/h, not Km/h, see SI units. Cheers.  Peter Horn User talk 20:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Its just a general Google search such as 127 kts to mph or 127 kts to km/h - Also i meant use the kts but hide it.Jason Rees (talk) 21:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: Btw, template:convert no longer accepts kt as an input for knot (unit), it is now kn. Peter Horn User talk 22:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: See Template talk:Convert#Rounding these windspeed conversion to the rearest 5 mph or 5 km/h Peter Horn User talk 21:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

text: In my wanderings I came across Tropical cyclone#Hurricane or typhoon and template:Tropical cyclone classification which incorporates the conversion from knot to mph and km/h. No trace of nearest 5 mph or 5 km/h here or amywhere in tropical cyclone. Cheers, Peter Horn User talk 22:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Ive always been told that the rounding to five doesn't need to take place in scientific articles like Tropical Cyclone but needs to be used in Storm articles like Gonu.Jason Rees (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The reason for that is that the scale itself is defined precisely; however the instruments used to make the actual measurements have an intrinsic error that is handled by rounding. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 21:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wind speeds and convert 

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