Talk:Ivan Moravec

message: I've never edited a page for the wikipedia before but I think this would be a good place to start. Ivan Moravec was not mentioned often in the media, but among classical pianist and classical piano aficionados his name is immediately recognized. 
It is not surprising that his name is not recognized outside of a select few people who are deeply interested in classical piano. He never had a recording contract with a major recording label, so he was largely ignored by the mainstream media. However, if you mention his name to a classical pianist the will recognize his name. He did not do as many concert tours, Likely partly because he spent his life in an eastern block country at a time when travel to the  west was usually heavily restricted. 
He has had some influence as a teacher. I do know personally at least two pianist who took the time and money to travel to Prague to study with him after completing the university degrees in piano performance.
 
Ivan Moravec rates a page in Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians. That biographical Dictionary is recognized as the authoritative encyclopedia type reference volume amongst professional and academic musicians. I can find enough information that can be corroborated to come up with a page which places him accurately amongst classical pianist in the 20th century.
Ivan Moravec at least rates a biographical page as well as a discography and bibliography.
What I have written is a bare sketch, and needs to be filled out withe more detail. It is by no means ready for public viewing.
david
This some further biographical information
Born: Prague, November 9, 1930
Studied Piano with:
   1. Grünfeldová
   2. Štěpánová-Kurzová (1952–3
   3. Michelangel invited him to his masterclasses in Arezzo (1957 and 1958)
début on Prague Radio in 1946
1959 London Debut
1962 First American Recording
1964 debut in New York with George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra
1967 begins to teach at the Prague Academy
He is still actively teaching and touring.
Source for this information is Groves Dictionary of Music and Musician (Online). Groves is a subscription service which I accessed through my local public library.
On biographical entries like this, there will be, by necessity some opinion and value judgment, however it is possible to express the overall judgment of the body of his performances. That is how I think this entry should be approached. That he has a very reverential following does not surprise me in the least.
David Fedoruk
I've done more reading on editing in the Wikipedia fashion, I didn't sign the comments above. I will this one. I'm not offended in the slightest at the page being put up this way... at least something is there for this distinguished pianist!
Question.. is that the original page? I know those are glowing reports, however, I would have hard pressed to actually disagree of these statements. I have listened extensively to his recordings and they are very good. His Chopin and his Debussy are outstanding.  The page is likely weighted to heavily towards his importance as a Czech pianist. The reason I'm interested in this page is that he does play an important part in the world of classical pianists ... He is one of the last still living of his generation. If you asked me for a list of the top 10 classical pianists, I would have to consider putting Moravec on that list. I think the page that Groves Dictionary has devoted to him is overly terse. Wikipedia could do better.
The information on his practice technique is invaluable. More of this kind of information is needed. Information about his technique, and who it has influenced would set him in place as a figure in the world of classical pianists.
As well, students traveled from around the world to study with Moracec. One of the professors of Piano at the University of British Columbia where I studied was his student. He had nothing but praise for him as a teacher and he sent one of his own students to study with him (c. 1975), and that was before the collapse of the Iron Curtain. So both Robert Silverman and his student braved crossing into the Czechoslovakia for piano lessons during those dark years.
The question is how to document this.  
David Fedoruk
88Fingers 01:38, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about a distinguished classical pianist. 

message: Apologies if I've done things in the wrong order - the wiki pages related to resolving disputes suggest talking here first, which I probably should have done. Instead I've edited the Ivan Moravec page first and (after reading wikipedia's policies on neutrality and verifiability) attempted to correct the problems that caused the dispute. 
One reason I may have jumped the gun, so to speak, is that I'm the person who created this page as a stub in the first place, and then left it unchanged for so long. By creating the stub, I hoped to persuade one of several qualified but busy music writers, who know Ivan Moravec's music very well, to complete the page. I thought one of them might respond, and waited too long. When I finally checked in a few nights ago, I was dismayed to find this situation. In my haste to correct the problem, I fear I may have made matters  worse by not talking to Mr. Fedoruk and the challenger (Lbark?). If so, I'm talking now. 
Can we work this out? Not only wikipedia, but Ivan Moravec deserves the best page that can be managed, and I have no illusions that my modest attempt is the last word. So if you don't think my version is an acceptable starting point, maybe the answer is to go back to my original plan and solicit contributions from a world-class music writer. I think good candidates include Donald Manildi, Bernard Jacobson, James Goodfriend, David Hurwitz, and Jonathan Carr.  There are many others, I'm sure. 
Thanks,
User:Denisbradford70.22.245.86 02:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is fine now, even better than before the NPOV stuff was added. I went ahead and removed the NPOV tag, and now I would also suggest that the stub tag be removed as it is really quite an extensive and well-referenced article. Lbark 17:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My edits, and attempt to resolve this dispute 

message: The current text is not written in traditional Wikipedia style though it would be fine for fan site. I suggest following:
* Keep only one photo (the one from 1971). The others bring no additional value here.
* Revise all superlatives unless they are referenced and not merely intended as a flattery. Plastering articles with terms as "widely acclaimed", "rising star" or "legendary" only devalues these words.
* Remove the poetic talking.
* The link to a management company should be the page about him, not the main page.
Instead the article could get much better in providing more facts about Moravec's life, recordings and appearances. Pavel Vozenilek 22:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup requested 

message: I agree with Pavel's criticism about the tone of this article, and have edited the page accordingly. Better now? I will consider adding more content (as suggested) later. First things first. 
Thanks, Pavel.
Denisbradford
Perhaps we could loose Mr. Moravec's glowing praise of Michelangeli. Michelangeli does deserve praise, perahaps even glowing praise but English  was not Mr. Moravec' first language and the quote sounds awkward. It is also badly out of context since this is a biographical page about Mr. Moravec. Michelangelli is most certainly an influencial teacher and performer in his life. It should be left at that. There are other anecdotes about how Michelangeli worked with his students but again, those belong on a page devoted to Michelangeli.
Documented facts are difficult to come by since these years were clouded by the cold war. However, perhaps there is more avilable documentation for someone actually living in Europe currently. The only thing I can do is check here for concert appearances.
Cheers
David
--88Fingers (talk) 07:50, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Cleanup request 

message: I think this article needs more citations, esp. from classical music print sources. a discography would be nice (i started it). i am not a classical music expert at all, but i happened to fall in love with one recording and was able to figure out im not alone in this judgement, per NYT etc, so my additions are not POV. i have flagged this as needing attention from the classical music workgroup. I think a lot of the promotional tone has been trimmed already, thank god. Oh, and an article on the Connoisseur Society would be an excellent support for this article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I could certainly contribute to a disography, having many (most?) of his LPs and CDs.  Is a discography only currently-available recordings, or is it a historical tabulation? Art  ArtShapiro (talk) 03:23, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Discographies here are blind to availability. a chronological listing, starting with the earliest releases, is best. I believe that for a major pianist like Moravec, a complete discography is worth shooting for, unless he is legendary, like Rampal, for an infinite number of releases. Only the first releases of each album are normally enough, though significant releases can be noted, esp CD reissues.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
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