Talk:Mongols in China

message: :The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was Do not move.  —Wknight94 (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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message: Hi! Are there any numbers out there how many of the ethnic Mongols in China are fluent in Mongolian, or how many aren't? Yaan 17:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  language proficiency 

message: For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all  infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 16:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
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message: Isn't "ethnic Mongols" redundant, when Mongol is the ethnicity and Mongolian is the nationality? Is there any reason why this article shouldn't be moved to Mongols in China? Splittist (talk) 19:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: None that I can think of, although both titles are somewhat ambiguous. Can't think of anything better, though. Yaan (talk) 12:40, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ethnic Mongols" vs "Mongols" 

message: The Mongols in China: 1400-1450
Mongols were retained by the Ming within its territory.
in Guangxi Mongol archers paricipated in a war against Miao minorities.
A cavalry based army modeled on the Yuan military was implemented by the Hongwu and Yongle Emperors. Hongwu's army and officialdom incorporated Mongols.
The early Ming Emperors from Hongwu to Zhengde continued Yuan practices such as hereditary military institutions, demanding Korean concubines and eunuchs, having Muslim eunuchs, wearing Mongol style clothing and Mongol hats, speaking Mongolian, engaging in archery and horseback riding, patronizing Tibetan Buddhism, with the early Ming Emperors seeking to project themselves as "universal rulers" to various peoples such as Central Asian Muslims, Tibetans, and Mongols, modeled after the Mongol Khagan, however, this history of Ming universalism has been obscured and denied by historians who covered it up and presented the Ming as xenophobes seeking to expunge Mongol influence and presenting while they presented the Qing and Yuan as "universal" rulers in contrast to the Ming.http://www.history.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/documents/readings/robinson_culture_courtiers_ch.8.pdfhttps://www.sav.sk/journals/uploads/040214374_Slobodn%C3%ADk.pdf p 166. 
Zhengde defeated the Mongols under Dayan Khan. Muslim Central Asian girls were favored by Zhengde like how Korean girls were favored by Xuande. In 1517 the Mongols were defeated by Zhengde. Mongol clothing was worn by the military enthusiastic Zhengde emperor. A Uighur concubine was kept by Zhengde like the later Qing emperor Qianlong. Foreign origin Uighur and Mongol women were favored by the Zhengde emperor.
Tatar (Mongol) and Central Asian women were bedded by Zhengde and he wore Mongol clothing and was fluent in Mongol language, and he adopted Persian, Buddhist, and Mongol names and titles He  威武大將軍太師鎮國公  沙吉敖爛  大寶法王 忽必列.http://www.history.ubc.ca/sites/default/files/documents/readings/robinson_culture_courtiers_ch.8.pdf p. 402-403. 
Mongols in the nobility and military of Ming dynasty China
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2718543
CHINESE IN SOUTHERN MONGOLIA DURING THE SIXTEENTH CENTURY
http://www.jstor.org/stable/40726017
A MONGOL SETTLEMENT IN NORTH CHINA AT THE END OF THE 16TH CENTURY
http://www.jstor.org/stable/41926456
THE MONGOLS IN CHINA : 1400-1450
http://www.jstor.org/stable/40725869
Images of Subject Mongols Under the Ming Dynasty
http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/late/summary/v025/25.1robinson.html
The Ming used Mongols in its military to fight in most of its wars, including crushing rebellions by southern ethnic minorities such as the Li in Hainan
Politics, Force and Ethnicity in Ming China: Mongols and the Abortive Coup of 1461
page 83
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2652684?seq=5
Han-Mongol Encounters and Missionary Endeavors: A History of Scheut in Ordos (Hetao) 1874-1911 By Patrick Taveirne
http://books.google.com/books?id=z2japTNPRNAC&pg=PA65
http://books.google.com/books?id=z2japTNPRNAC&pg=PA55
http://www.t-house.on-rev.com/KARUN/BACK_NOTES/Crossley_Making_Mongols.pdf
There is a case in the Taizong Shilu during the Yongle Emperor's reign about Mongol military officers exempted from administrative work because of their illiteracy and still getting paid, so some Chinese pretended to be Mongols to avoid doing work.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=TCIjZ7l6TX8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ
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http://books.google.com/books?id=tVhvh6ibLJcC&pg=PA228&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20general%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=-BIGv9vIoqcC&pg=PA500&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20general%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=GEQvAAAAYAAJ&q=Mongol+general+ming&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=aU5hBMxNgWQC&pg=PA150&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20general%20ming&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Ur0z8EmtvqkC&pg=PA8&dq=Mongol+general+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-lG6ULDjLMjO0QGkpICYCg&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20general%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=a4p9C6J35XYC&pg=PA69&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ka6jNJcX_ygC&pg=PA14&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ybmFuqReAqUC&pg=PA14&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=SE2Gw8rjuXQC&pg=PA129&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=aU5hBMxNgWQC&pg=PA53&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=oZjpcHnxH2QC&pg=PA131&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ
http://books.google.com/books?id=067On0JgItAC&pg=PA789&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=ediEaJSiprkC&pg=PA89&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=tVhvh6ibLJcC&pg=PA66&dq=Mongol+generals+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t1K6UNfYAanB0QGbjYDICg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Mongol%20generals%20ming&f=false
Hami turfan
http://books.google.com/books?id=tVhvh6ibLJcC&pg=PA248&dq=Muslim+guards+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=B1S6UJGGDtK90QHy_YHQCw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Muslim%20guards%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xrGAXH_ne4IC&pg=PA1038#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=FZ4xHb9bCZAC&pg=PA144&dq=Muslim+guard+mongol+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eVS6UI-pMOXU0gHXpIHgAg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Muslim%20guard%20mongol%20ming&f=false
Muslims serving the Ming dynasty
http://books.google.com/books?id=JWpF-dObxW8C&pg=PA1523&dq=Muslim+guard+mongol+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eVS6UI-pMOXU0gHXpIHgAg&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Muslim%20guard%20mongol%20ming&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=xrGAXH_ne4IC&pg=PA1523&dq=Muslim+guard+mongol+ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eVS6UI-pMOXU0gHXpIHgAg&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Muslim%20guard%20mongol%20ming&f=false
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Rajmaan (talk) 17:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mongol Chinese relations during the Ming 

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Rajmaan (talk) 17:44, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Folke Boberg's missionary work among mongols in china 

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Rajmaan (talk) 03:43, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attitudes toward intermarriage among Inner Mongolians 

message: The Liaodong Han Chinese military frontiersmen were prone to mixing and acculturating with (non-Han) tribesmen.
Chinese soldiers served in the Yuan army against the Ming, and the Mongols were joined by many Chinese defectors. The Mongol Mangui served in the Ming military and fought the Manchus, dying in battle against a Manchu raid. Some Chinese who lived among the Mongols of Inner Mongolians, while in their youth, adopted Mongol culture and married a Mongol women but when he became old he would would come back and lived with the Han Chinese again. One Han Chinese military officer who defected to the Mongols was "Monkey Li" (Li Huai) who fought against the Ming.
The Jurchen Manchus accepted and assimilated Han Chinese soldiers who defected. 1613 was the year the name "Manchu" was recorded before 1635 when it was made the official name of the Jurchen ethnicity.
Liaodong Han Chinese transfrontiersmen soldiers acculturated to Manchu culture and used Manchu names. Manchus lived in cities with walls surrounded by villages and adopted Chinese style agriculture before the Qing conquest of the Ming.
The Han Chinese transfrontismen abandoned their Han Chinese names and identities and Nurhaci's secretary Dahai might have been one of them.
Rajmaan (talk) 09:12, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Han who lived among Mongols in the 1930s 

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Rajmaan (talk) 05:47, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qing divide and rule policy between Khoshot and Khalkha Mongols 

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