Talk:Polytonality

message: I removed this senctence:
Rudolph Reti has defiend polytonality as "simultaneous tonalities...that cross, overlap, complement or even oppose each other." (Reti, 1958)
This is because it is now redundant with the opening sentence of the article.
I removed this sentence:
As above, polytonality may originate or be created by the use of other techniques such as the octatonic scale. Bitonality may also be suggested with an added tone a perfect fourth below the root of the chord:
550px|An added tone a perfect fourth below the root of a chord suggests an entire chord with that tone as root
This is because I offered several criticisms of it in the discussion section when I explained why I took it out.  The editor who put the sentence back in did not respond to the criticisms.
Again, the issues are 1) that it is not a commonly held opinion of music theorists that "polytonality may originate or be created by the use of other techniques such as the octatonic scale."  No source has been provided for this, and it is not a commonly held opinion.  2) While it might be true that "bitonality may also be suggested with an added tone a perfect fourth below the root ..." it is just as easy to suggest bitonality with other sub-posed roots.  At the very least the example should be changed to show that the same could be done with thirds, tritones, etc.  Otherwise we are providing misleading information.
I stress that these are not my personal opinions.  Tymoczko 17:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removing redundant and misleading material 

message: *"A logical continuation of polychordal technique is polytonality, the simultaneous presentation, on different strata, of two or more keys or tonalities. It is possible to have a tonality without the functional hierarchy that produces a major or minor key. As in bichordal music, seperations of register are necessary to effect polytonality. Composers also often contrast the texture and rhythm between the tonal levels."
**DeLone et. al. (Eds.) (1975). Aspects of Twentieth-Century Music. Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall. .
:: This definition isn't very good.  "Sparations of register" are not necessary to effect polytonality.  For example, one can get polytonal effects by separations in space (two different kinds of music in two different ears), separations of timbre (cf. "Wessel's illusion"), separations of rhythm, or even volume.
:::Please sign your posts on talk pages per Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages. Thanks! Hyacinth 02:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Definitions

message: Again, the challenge in writing these music articles is that there is a lot of misinformation out there.  You need to be very careful with your sources, and make sure they're up to date -- especially with a subject such as this.  Tymoczko 19:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When there are disagreements between authors Wikipedia articles should describe those differences, not eliminate one viewpoint or the other (WP:NPOV). Please describe how, according to Wikipedia:Reliable sources, the sources previously used in this article are unreliable. Hyacinth 02:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: Failed as no reason given. Hyacinth (talk) 08:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge: [[List of polytonal pieces]]