Talk:2007 National Express coach accidents

message: I think this article could be improved by removing some of the sections: the coaches themselves because it is information about the popularity of the coach and is not relevant to the article, any opinions? TellyaddictTalk 12:54, 
9 January 2007 (UTC)
:I have removed that section. In any case, the statement "The Neoplan Skyliners are the most numerous double-decker type operated in the UK." appears to be nonsense or at least needs a citation. (Perhaps the OP meant "...on long distance routes".) Skyliners don't even have their own Wikipedia article.--Shantavira 09:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "The Neoplan Skyliners are the most numerous double-decker type operated in the UK." - All the news reports were saying it and I know it anyway. So it is not nonsense. You seem to have forgotten one of the most obvious facts of Wikipedia, that is is a work in progrees, which kind of explains the lack of the article for the Neoplan Skyliner (most of which there is loads of info on the Neoplan article, and it has a picture. And of course, it is relevant as if the accident hadn't happened then 3 operators wouldn't have cheked about 62 coaches operating over nearly all of the UK, for Megabus, National Express and Oxford Tube <--- <--- A very popular Oxford - London serives competeing hihly with tranis doesn't have a wikipedia article. It has won many awards. I will revert the article. Arriva436 19:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: discussion

message: Fatal NatEx accidents are rare, in fact this is possibly the worst accident in its history. I suggest it is notable for that reason.--Shantavira 10:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes notable, but not backed up sufficiently by what the article says - correctly formatting the references would be a big help. Escaper7 11:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability

message: The name of this article needs changing.  It is currently listed as 2007 National Express coach accidents - however, these two incidents were categorically not an accident.  The correct legal definition in the UK is a road traffic incident, abbreviated to RTI - and being as both incidents were caused by deliberate actions of the coach driver (the first was travelling at excess speed whilst talking to the passengers over the PA, and the second was driving whilst under the influence of alcohol), and both were jailed for very serious offences - then this article really needs changing to something like 2007 National Express Coach road traffic incidents (capital C for coach, because that is part of their company name).  78.32.143.113 (talk) 12:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really, as anyone in the UK calls a crash an accident, not a "Road Traffic Incident", except people in the emergency services. Accident is the old name, and that's not going to change in the public's eyes. You say they were caused by "deliberate actions of the coach driver". Not really, they might have been deliberately doing what caused the crash, but certainly did not deliberately intend to cause the crash. In the case of the speeding, the driver probably just did it without thinking, rather than making a conscious decision to do it. Also, it's not capital C for coach. The brand name is "National Express". The coach doesn't come into it. It's only used in the Wikipedia article as "National Express Coaches", so that the "National Express" page can be a redirect to National Express Group. Arriva436talk/contribs 16:05, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  wrong name for article