Talk:Gore-Tex

message: Anon User:80.202.194.186 initiated a page move via Cut-n-paste to 'Gore-tex', which was a good call, if not quite handled right. In fact the registered trade name appears to be fully capitalised as 'GORE-TEX ®' - the full-caps is a bit beyond the pale, but including the hyphen a capitalising each half looks like a common compromise. - Solipsist 23:29, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Previous discussions without headers

message: In a recent rewrite, User:195.75.97.226 removed the paragraph;
:The first commercial Gore-Tex product was a tent called the Light Dimension that was created and sold by the Seattle firm, Early Winters, Ltd., in 1976.
presumably because this wasn't actually the first use of Gore-Tex. It might be better to correctly qualify this statement ('first consumer product' or what have you), or replace it with a description of whatever was the first product. -- Solipsist 7 July 2005 08:57 (UTC)
:This paragraph should not have been removed.
:The first commercial/consumber use of Gore-Tex laminated fabrics WAS a 3-pound tend called the Light Dimension. This product was created by the Seattle firm of Early Winters, Ltd. -- FloweringHearth  02:06, 14 July 2005
:— Preceding unsigned comment added by FloweringHearth (talk • contribs) 01:06, 2005 July 14 (UTC)
I tend to agree, but I don't know the history. The passage was removed by an anon who may have been associated with the company. They also expanded the list of applications well beyond waterproof fabrics. It is possible that technically the first commercial use of Gore-Tex was in one of these other fields, or it might have been this tent, I wouldn't know. However it seems like the tent should still be mentioned, as that is likely to be the first use that most people would be aware of. So lets reinsert it with the qualification 'first commercial consumer product'. -- Solipsist 06:06, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: first use paragraph

message: I'd like to see a listing of similar products that behave the same way as Gore-Tex.
Gary 22:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar products 

message: Somebody has corrected the name of the co-inventor from Wilbert L. to William. I think he was a Wilbert - but this should be checked 38presdales 10:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of Inventor 

message: In a talk at the COmputer History Museum about the Cray 1 (available at http://www.computerhistory.org/events/index.php?id=1157047505 ) it was asserted that Bob Gore invented Gore-Tex to improve the wire insulation for the Cray 1.
 87.74.19.152 10:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cray 1 

message: I've tagged it because there's absolutely no reason for an article about textiles to have three separate references to one television show (Sienfeld).  Please clean up or just delete.  Todd Vierling 00:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section tag added 

message: Wouldn't that make them poor insulators, allowing your body heat to escape?.. wouldn't that make Gore-tex only good for raincoats but poor for winter coats?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.122.63.142 (talk) 20:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breathable? 

message: Boots taste yummy? Is this relevant? (i'd say they're slightly chewy myslf)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.84.132 (talk) 10:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  yumyumyum 

message: Old version of the page was (as tagged) virtually an ad for Goretex. I've added realistic comparisons with alternatives, product development history, instructions on cleaning, company revenue, and safety info on breathability and hypothermia.Umptious (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  General revision 

message: Don't have time myself to check this article but it seems it may be time to re-evaluate if it still merits the advertising tag placed in June 2008. If it's getting better (unaware of previous incarnations of the article, myself) or closer to being more Wiki-compliant, some further work could allow a Wikipedian to remove the tag. - Ageekgal (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems okay now, so I removed it. ENeville (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Ad tagging

message: In response to similar observations as above, I marked the article for a neutrality check. The inclusion of criticisms of the product are not relevant. Naturally, a competitor of Gore will imply that Gore-Tex is an inferior product. The inclusion of the Slate article was an isolated lash-out against a patent holder and is not merited in the section it was posted in. The citation wasn't neutral and didn't add to an understanding of the product. I don't know how best to change the article, but I would appreciate some further discussion along this train of thought so we can clean up the page. Grantismo (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality 

message: GoreArchives is the user name for a small group of archivists involved in collecting and preserving the history of W. L. Gore and Associates. This team collects images, documents, books, brochures and product samples related to Gore’s past and present.  We plan to make edits and corrections to this article in the future, particularly in reference to the origin of the GORE-TEX trade name and its past application to many Gore products.  As archivists, it is our goal to provide the most accurate information about W.L. Gore & Associates, its history, culture, and products.  Revisions to this article by GoreArchives will strive to be balanced and objective.
The GORE-TEX trade name is most commonly associated with Gore’s waterproof breathable laminates, however it was first used for a wide range of Gore products derived from expanded polytetrafluoroethylene (ePTFE).  Robert Gore discovered ePTFE in 1969 ( See W.L. Gore and Associates).  A white, pliable polymer, it can be processed into many forms such as thin films or membranes, tubes, tapes and fibers.    By the 1980s, the company used ePTFE in such diverse products as wire and cable insulation, industrial filters, vascular grafts and laminated fabrics, many sharing the same GORE-TEX trademark.  In 2010, Gore still employs ePTFE in most of its products however the GORE-TEX trademark is primarily directed towards the company’s fabric products and a select number of medical implants like GORE-TEX sutures and GORE-TEX vascular grafts.GoreArchives (talk) 01:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for mentioning this. Please read WP:COI. Anything you want to add should be WP:V. Independent publishing is preferred. See WP:RS. Also see WP:NPOV. You can discuss/propose changes here to make sure your edits are in the interest of the encyclopedia. Thanks. -Shootbamboo (talk) 23:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I encourage you to propose specific changes here. Thank you for declaring your COI, as that is strongly encouraged. =) -Shootbamboo (talk) 23:14, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Thanks for posting that. Let me ask you a question please. The only source you are proposing to add to support the new material is located at W.L. Gore & Associates, Inc.? If so, this book isn't something I think would be verifiable. We don't necessarily mind self-published things but other people need to be able to verify this source. Reliable sources we use here include scientific journals, books (that one could find in libraries), newspapers, etc. How about you re-publish whatever you think is important from that book on your company website and then Wikipedia could borrow from the website as is seen fit. How does this all sound? Thanks again for your post here. Shootbamboo (talk) 03:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

text: !    GoingBatty (talk) 13:56, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Forthcoming Revisions

message: Darn it - I was wrong:
:\frac{\text{9 billion pores}}{\text{square inch}} * \frac{\text{1 square inch}}{\text{6.4516 square centimeters}} \approx \frac{\text{1.4 billion pores}}{\text{square centimeter}}
Sorry for all the confusion.  GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Me too. I should avoid edits involving the maths. The Interior (Talk) 18:15, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pores per square inch  

message: 1.  The recommendations from Gore Archives are basically good ones (correct content and more informative than what we have).  I probably have some RSes that discuss Gore from afar.  This whole article could use some work to get it up to speed.  Kinda concerned that we could not get the April 2011 interaction to some positive effect.
2.  Article coverage.  This is a good topic for an article, but is trying to cover too much and getting itself wrapped up with issues of the brand being different from materials.  Wiki has no article on ePTFE.  We should have a separate one because (a) it is very much a different structure (just the expanded PTFE) than a fabric laminate or even the PU/PTFE combination in Gore-Tex.  (b) it has uses that have nothing to do with textiles (e.g. filtration).  (c) It has been off patent for 15 years and there is significant production (and a market) for ePTFE from 2 other major US producers and from the Chinese. (This is not to sell Gore short, obviously Bob started the whole shebang and they are still a gorilla in the WPB space!)  I propose to make a new additional article on just ePTFE.
3.  Wiki lacks an article on fabric lamination (a huge industry).  I propose to make one.
4.  We do have an article on waterproof fabrics (covering both impermeable PVC raincoats and waterproof breathables laminates).  Not a very good article, by the way.  I propose to leave that as is, in terms of article coverage choices.  If it ever grew, we could think about a split.  But it works as is.
5.  We really ought to have an article on waterproof breathable films (themselves), but I am not going to make that now.  I guess it could be a section in waterproof fabrics.  But we should list PU, PTFE, PU/PTFE 2 layer, Hytrel, eVent.
TCO (Reviews needed) 23:10, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  General article issues 

message: The first paragraph in the history section details John W. Cropper and his machine for stretching PTFE but it's not clear how he's related to the invention of Gore-Tex. I think he needs to be tied into the story...
Gsoper (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Who is John W. Cropper?

message: This article already contained a number of images, but surprisingly, none were of finished clothing items, which is probably the main use of Gore-Tex fabric. So, I added an image of an exhibition of waterproof running shoes, made with Gore-Tex fabric, from various manufacturers (i.e., different shoes brands, including Brooks, Saucony, and Asics) that I attended last night at a local running shoe store. I gave the image the "left" attribute, which I hope is acceptable given the other images that appear to the right of the text. Does this positioning seem okay?
50.177.1.219 (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Position of added image of Gore-Tex shoes

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message: Images of sweat suit's by Gor- TeX 98.170.140.78 (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
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message: Gore-Tex is a common material used in many Nike, Air jordan, and Nike Air Max products, I wonder if it is reasonable to add a section related to these?  Revelations6v8 (talk) 03:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gore-Tex usage with other brands 

message: This sentence has particularly awkward syntax and wording: 
"Gore-Tex products free of 'PFC of environmental concerns' repellent coating lacks the ability to repel oil that 'Gore DWR' provided." 
I think I vaguely get the gist of what it's trying to say, but I suggest a revision by someone more confident in the intended meaning behind it. 66.91.36.8 (talk) 03:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:   Confusing Wording