Talk:The Fray

message: I've created a an archive for this page - done by subject. Pretty standard - except if you want to add a new link, start it out with "Talk:The_Fray/A_..." - the "A_" indicates that it's an archive.danielfolsom © 18:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no "B". LaraLove 01:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh wow, sorry bout that - done.--danielfolsom 02:19, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: I think She Is is being released as a single?? �58.170.188.227 05:57, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless you have a source then what you think doesn't really make a difference...--danielfolsom 02:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Singles

message: Not to start an argument, but Epic and Sony are kind of directly opposed to the indie aesthetic. 
209.6.170.137 02:26, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I removed "Alternative rock and indie rock" from their genre, but someone undid it within a few minutes. Tezkag72 (talk) 15:45, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: How are they indie or alternative?

message: The Fray says in an interview that they are all Christians and they are a faith-based band but don't like playing with Christian bands to a Christian audience because the audience is already Christian, and they don't have a chance to change lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.220.1.24 (talk • contribs) 00:41, 6 August 2007).
:A) the Fray have said they're all Christian - that's true, in fact I'm pretty sure we say that in the article. B) They aren't a christian band - that's also true (as you said). we also say this in the article. C) The audience is Christian - that's not true- I haven't seen that in any report and I sincerely doubt such a statement would have been made. However, the fact that the Fray say they aren't a Christian band means we can't classify them as a Christian band -it's not our right to choose, it's their's.--danielfolsom 19:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you missed his point.  He was saying that the Fray would rather not play to a Christian audience because they won't have the life changing impact like they could possibly have if they played in front of a non Christian audience.  To assume that you could ever have a whole audience that is Christian is extremely naive ha, but that was what he was trying to say i think.  -Brad 128.175.81.47 (talk) 01:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Even if all of the members are Christian, I do not agree that they should be classified as a Christian band.  Regardless of their stated reasons, their intent is to market the music to a mainstream audience, they are accepted by a mainstream audience and primary derive airplay on mainstream, secular radio stations.  The music is neither directed toward Christians nor overtly praise/proselytizing.  As far as faith goes, it is more a theme which does not necessarily aim to convert (example: "You Found Me" is a song about betrayal and hurt from faith).  But your and my interpretation is irrelevent and "original research."  Since this is Wikipedia, if you claim they are a Christian band, that information must come from a verifiable source.  That is sufficient to cast doubt on the label from inclusion in this article.69.229.38.187 (talk) 06:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

text: Ok, I agree with the compromise of a band with Christian influences. I find it odd that they sometimes deny that they are a Christian band and yet other times they say that they are faith based. Issac Slade visited our church in 2006 and he spoke about how his music brings him closer to God and that his music was his ultimate praise for him. I have my own suspicions that they deny it to appease the recording labels in order to appeal to a wider audience, but that's just speculation on my part and nothing more. Eros2250 (talk) 18:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian genre

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:The Fray - Vienna.ogg

message: Why was ut removed when its a very important part of the artical?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.161.30 (talk) 22:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian faith section

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message: The Fray is from Thornton. This has been confirmed, I got in a large debate over this with another Wikipedian, and it was confirmed that they are in fact from Thornton, CO. I have put this in the article, also giving an idea of where Thornton for those unfamiliar to the Denver Metro Area. YelloCello (talk) 02:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thornton 

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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:The Fray]] 

message: This is just a note to say that I might pick this up if it's renominated once the concerns have been met. Feel free to drop a note on my talk page when it's ready and I'll fast-track it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   01:30, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA 

message: I have created a much-needed "band members" section and I listed the former members, but I do not know what instrument that they played. Can anyone provide this information? • GunMetal Angel 04:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's done, but now I have another question. ; This band doesn't have a bassist? • GunMetal Angel 20:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The band has no permanent bassist as of now. They keep hiring temporary bassists for tours - it was mentioned in a previous edition of the article, but someone seems to have edited it. Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 11:58, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: In the band members section I would suspect that these touring bass players deserve to be mentioned, whether famous or not. - GunMetal Angel 20:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Correct. I have added those members' names again. As I said, it was mentioned in a previous edition of the article. No problems now I guess. Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members 

message: The 'Formation and Early years' section says
"Slade's younger brother Caleb on bass to the band. Caleb was the band's first (and only official) bass player but was eventually asked to leave"
but the band members section has
Former members
    * Mike Ayars – bass guitar (2002–2004)
    * Dan Battenhouse - bass guitar (2002)
    * Zach Johnson - drums (2002–2003)
    * Caleb Slade - lead guitar (2002–2003)
If Caleb was the only official bass player, why are Mike Ayars and Dan Battenhouse credited here as bass players, and Caleb as a lead guitarist? Exxolon (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the issue is resolved now. It was a typo I think, whoever mentioned Caleb as a lead guitarist. Steed Asprey - 171 (talk) 07:22, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: http://www.jesusfreakhideout.com/artists/TheFray.asp The message just above the discography might be worth incorporating into the article, particularly to the section that talks about them being a Christian band.--Invisiboy42293 (talk) 20:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  about them being a Christian band.... 

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message: Just because they are all Christian and have played in front of Christian audiences doesn't make them a "Christian Rock" band. None of their released material falls under any sort of Christian genre. SlaniCraft (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not why some reviewers consider them Christian rock. They have released in the Christian marketplace, have had their music consistently reviewed by media that caters to the Christian music industry and we have three RSes that refer to the issue. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre 

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message: As the article is now (August 29, 2021), a disproportionately large chunk of each time period section is dedicated to the corresponding studio album's popular chart performance and its critical reviews. What are your thoughts on moving these chunks into a new, dedicated section? What should the section be called and where should it be placed? Any and all thoughts are welcome. 
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thread_title:  Performance and critical reception?