Talk:Fonts on Macintosh

message: There's a list of OpenType features supported by Mac OS X that is scheduled for deletion  here. Does anybody care about importing
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message: I added that there were "approximately 12" fonts on the original MacOS (version 1-9), the beginning of the "Fonts of the original Macintosh" section.  Can someone verify this. (Someone who has a MacOS computer museum and actually has a MacOS 1 disk - I'd have to download the original OS, and figure out how to start it up on the old Macintosh Plus, which seems like too much work to just verify the number) Jimw338 (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
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message: I've never written a wikipedia page, so I don't want to attempt to edit the actual article, but I thought I'd respond to the "may not represent a worldwide view of the subject" criticism offered on the section on the original mac fonts by providing what I believe to be a comprehensive list of fonts offered on non-US systems. Since this appears to be about the original bitmaps, I'm only including info through system 6.0.7. Maybe whoever maintains this might want to update that section. Note that I'm hardly an expert in this area. Just a font geek with a very complete set of old disk images (and arguably too much time on my hands).
1. Western European Versions.
The character set used on the original Mac could accommodate most Western European languages, so most international versions targeting Western Europe included the same fonts as the US version. However, there were a few versions of the system which included fonts with slightly different character sets. Note that these fonts had the same names and ID numbers as the US versions so they could not be installed alongside the "standard" fonts. These were:
a. Turkish (first supported with System 4.1)
b. Croatian (first supported with System 4.1)
c. Icelandic (first supported with System 5.1) n.b. the same fonts were also used for Faroese. The initial release of the Icelandic system also included a unique font 'Boston' which I suspect was not actually intended to be included as it does not appear to be an apple font. While it supports Icelandic, it has a different encoding than the Apple Fonts, and while it conforms to the 'city' motif, the geography is a bit suspicious. I think this was a freeware font which might have been installed by an employee.
d. Portuguese (first supported with System 6.0.3). Note that the 'standard' versions had all the necessary characters for Portuguese, but for some reason the Portuguese versions included much more complete character sets than the standard versions. The standard versions had incomplete sets of uppercase accented characters for all fonts, and lacked accented characters altogether for a few (e.g. London). The Portuguese versions had complete sets of uppercase accented characters for all fonts. Other systems continued to use the smaller character set even after the Portuguese release.
2. Central European Versions.
Czech, Hungarian, and Polish versions of the system were first introduced with System 6.0.7. These used the same fonts as the US versions but with different character sets. Unlike the fonts in the previous section, these fonts has different ID numbers and had the suffix CE appended to their names so they could be installed alongside the 'standard' versions. These systems included both standard and central european versions of most fonts (e.g. Chicago and Chicago CE).
3. Non-Latin Systems
Most (though not all) of the non-latin systems available for the early mac continued with the city theme. For some reason, some of these systems still used English font names. Some systems included PostScript Type-3 printer fonts alongside the bitmaps. In the list below, fonts with English font names are indicated with an asterisk* and those which included printer fonts are indicated with a dagger†.
A. Japanese. The initial version of KanjiTalk appeared with System version 3.1. It included two fonts, Kyoto* (京都) and Sapporo* (札幌). Later versions added Osaka* (大阪) (added in 4.1), Chu Gothic (中ゴシック体) and Sai Mincho (細明朝体) (System 6.0.2) and Tohaba Gothic (等幅ゴシック) and Tohaba Mincho (等幅明朝) (System 6.0.7). An additional font, Kobe* (神戸) was included with Japanese versions of AppleLink.
B. Korean. The initial version of HangulTalk appeared with system 4.1. It included Gotic* (고딕체) and Munjo* (명조체). I'm not sure why Apple adopted these weird spellings over the more standard Gothic and Myungjo. System 6.0.7 introduced Seoul (서울).
C. Hebrew. Also introduced with system 4.1. The included fonts were Eilat (אילת), Hermon (חרמון), Ramat Aviv† (רמת אביב), Ramat Sharon† (רמת השרון), Ramatgan† (רמת גן), and Sinai† (סיני). System 6.0.3 added Degania (דגניה), Tiberias (טבריה), and Yael (יעל).
D. Arabic. Again, introduced with system 4.1. Included fonts were al Qahirah (القاهرة) [n.b. this would normally be translated as 'Cairo' but I'm going with a more direct transliteration to avoid confusion with the picture font], Baghdad† (بغداد), Geezah† (جيزة), and Nadeem† (نديم). Kufi† (كوفي) was added in system 6.0.3.
E. Simplified Chinese. Introduced with System 5.1. Only a single font, Beijing* (北京字库), was included.
F. Traditional Chinese. Also introduced with System 5.1. A single font, Taipei* (台北) was included. However, an optional font supplement pack was introduced with system 6.0.3 which included Li* (隸書), Song* (宋體), and Xing* (行書). 6.0.4 introduced Kai* (楷書), and system 6.0.5 introduced Hei Medium* (中黑), Kai Medium* (中楷), Ming Light* (細明), and Ming Heavy* (粗明).
G. Greek. First introduced with System 6.0.2. The included fonts were Systematos (Συστήματος) [similar to Chicago], Me Analogike (Μή Αναλογική) [similar to Monaco], Klassike (Κλασσική) [similar to New York], Moderna (Μοντέρνα) [similar to Geneva], GrHelvetica*† and GrTimes*†. Greek shared FOND and script IDs with Roman, which meant you couldn't install Greek and Roman on the same system.
H. Persian. First introduced with System 6.0.3. Included fonts were Tehran (تهران), Asfahan† (اصفهان), Mashad† (مشهد) and Nadeem Farsi† (نديم فارسي). Persian and Arabic couldn't be installed on the same system because they shared FOND and script IDs.
I. Russian. Not introduced until system 6.0.7. The included fonts were Sistemnyj (Системный) [similar to Chicago], Priamoj (Прямой) [similar to Monaco], Priamoj Prop (Прямой Проп) [similar to Geneva], APC Courier† (АРСКурьер), Baston† (Бастион) [similar to Helvetica], and Latinskij† (Латинский) [similar to Times].
Other non-latin scripts weren't introduced until the TrueType era.
70.73.134.255 (talk) 17:29, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fonts of the Original Mac - Worldwide View