Talk:Fighting in ice hockey

message: Any value to mentioning recent court judgement that players give 'implied consent' to fighting just by participating in a hockey game? 
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/cars/Hockey+goon+acquitted+assault/1753838/story.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.156.35.100 (talk) 08:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If fighting isn't a legal part of the sport shouldn't it be considered an illegal fight? Fights out on the street result in jail time or some form of legal punishment. How does this not apply to hockey players? --24.94.251.208 (talk) 04:58, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Probably not worth mentioning/out of context for this article. Implied consent is used in many sport cases and not really a recent occurance. Even in sports where fighting is rare the extra-competitive atmosphere of sport can create fights, arguments, pushing, and/or verbal abuse that would normally not be legal in the real world. Only in extreme circumstances where the nature of the violent act far exceeds normal fighting and levels of aggression in sports (such as the Bertuzzi-Moore incident) but those rare and not really part of fighting and more part of the context of implied consent and Violence in ice hockey. Bhockey10 (talk) 19:42, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legality/implied consent 

message: Look at this talk page. You guys need to get someone who doesn't give two shits about hockey, and could care less whether players fight or not, and has lots of time on their hands, to come in and fix this article. Every single statement and each link needs to be closely examined, any supporting evidence vetted.
The paired statements "Fights almost always start in response to an opponent's rough play. As such, those who engage in fights aren't usually accused of bad sportsmanship." in the North American professional leagues section has no citation. It is an obvious opinion with no supporting evidence. My opinion is that if fighting worked as an enforcement or preventative measure, Sidney Crosby wouldn't have spent essentially two years out of the league. I can add that to the article without a citation if you like.
The statement "Since the penalties for fighting are so severe, the enforcers are less able to intimidate opposing players with fighting and said players take more liberties on the ice.[9]" in the Game-related reasons section is poorly cited. The link just leads to an article *about* a Canadian tabloid, it doesn't actually reference any article, let alone support the cited statement with notable evidence.
And the little things, like in the Efforts to Ban Fighting section, the statement " For example, on March 21, 2007, Colton Orr of the New York Rangers fought with Todd Fedoruk of the Philadelphia Flyers and ended up knocking Fedoruk unconscious." contains no references. You'd think that would be an easy one.
The supporting statement ..."however, most players and administrators continue to insist that fighting stay as a permanent element of organized ice hockey.[35]" in the same section is also poorly cited. The article in question, "Debate? Let's drop the gloves Posted:   03/25/2007 01:00:00 AM MDT By Adrian Dater" does not contain any evidence that "most" of anyone supports fighting in NHL Hockey. It is just one reporter's diatribe about how everyone who is against fighting in hockey doesn't care about the game. It contains a statement from one coach claiming that fighting used to be much worse, and a statement from another coach saying that if fighting were banned, enforcers would be out of work. 
Then it starts talking about what was happening in the league at that time. No consensus. No majority opinion. No evidence. No consideration that many of the people who want fighting banned would love to support professional hockey, but can't stand to watch it in its current form, and instead focus on NCAA and Olympic competition. For example, the 2010 Olympic hockey final (where many players come directly from the NHL and fighting is banned by the IOC) had a higher number of total North American viewers than any game in 30 years. (www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=519476) That single game drew more viewers than the entirety of the 2012 Stanley Cup finals, even though Game 6 had no sports competition on the night it aired. (http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/6/13/3083145/stanley-cup-finals-tv-ratings-2012-series-hits-lowest-numbers-since)
Under Tactics, this whole section doesn't have a single worthwhile citation. And a little further down, the whole bit about how players break up fights doesn't contain any citations at all, other than an unrelated reference to penalties. 
This is what I got in just a few minutes of reading through it. Imagine if you looked at the whole thing.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.60.33.136 (talk) 12:59, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I came to the talk page with curiosity of why this article is written entirely from the POV of someone who wants to justify fighting in hockey, and totally agree with you- this article is trash, and should be deleted and started over. 90% opinion. 100% crap. 2605:8D80:446:4AD9:B0B0:DDB1:69DD:B3C4 (talk) 09:13, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cut the crap. This whole article needs to be rewritten by someone who is a little more objective. 

message: KHL legalizes and regulates fighting - KHL
http://www.russianhockeyfans.com/khl/khl-legalizes-and-regulates-fighting-224.html
https://www.google.com/search?q=khl+fights&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
174.62.167.113 (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blanket statements about no fighting in European leagues are false. KHL has fights. 

message: Isn't the NHL emergency assistance fund (under the Rules and penalties) supposed to be capped, like the NHL Foundation?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buscus 3 (talk • contribs) 21:33, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fund 

message: The rulebooks of the NHL and other professional leagues contain specific rules for fighting. These rules state that at the initiation of a fight, both players must definitely drop their sticks so as not to use them as a weapon. Players must also "drop" or shake off their protective gloves
These are UNWRITTEN rules!
Fighting is not allowed!
https://www.usahockeyrulebook.com/page/show/1084663-rule-615-fighting AnonX365 (talk) 09:24, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fighting is not allowed