Talk:2007 MacArthur Park rallies

message: In June 2013, somebody removed the notice saying the article is not neutral POV, on the basis that nobody has fixed it in five years.
While that's clearly true, that is no reason to remove the notice. It should only be fixed when the article is properly rewritten, meanwhile readers should be warned.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.254.130 (talk) 00:27, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Five years, and still not netural

message: This article really needs to be rewritten. After a thorough investigation, The LAPD demoted the commanding officer, punished 17 more, payed over 13 million dollars out to people who were unjustly shot, gassed, and beaten with nightsticks, and every public official from the mayor to the police chief as well as media from FOX news to LA times to Indymedia all finally agreed that the police were at fault and violated the constitutional rights of the demonstrators! Could someone please rewrite this to reflect that? sigh.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.52.137 (talk) 03:35, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Mêlée was improperly capitalised, so I changed it (WP:CAPS), but mêlée itself is an improper term to use in the English encyclopedia - if only because its using French alphabetical conventions. Altercation or incident would be better. -Stevertigo 03:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Melee is the correct title, because that's how it is referred to in Los Angeles. At the time of this post, a google search yields 1.17 million hits. --Dems on the move 00:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, 54,100 hits.  I'm not convinced.  — Arthur Rubin |  (talk) 22:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs rewriting

message: In the beginning of the description of the incident, it says "which the rally permit expressly prohibited". I've never heard of a permit prohibiting something, are we sure it shouldn't say that the permit "didn't allow" it? Murderbike (talk) 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, permits expressly prohibit things all the time.  They specify things that must not take place at the event, places the crowd must not go, etc.  Not obstructing the streets around the park would be a perfectly normal provision in such a permit.  -- Zsero (talk) 17:42, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  a little clarification 

message: I just found the article MacArthur Park rallies controversy, about the same subject. Obviously, these two articles should be merged. I don't have any preference on what the title should be, but this article is more developed, so I've suggested that one be merged here rather than vice versa. Terraxos (talk) 00:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was WP:BOLD.    -- Zsero (talk) 00:19, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I didn't know a separate article existed and was focused on solving on treating all these controversies equally. Str1977 (talk) 10:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: Is that a bad thing? Maybe that should be mentioned in the article? The reason? This article sounds bias. Focusing on reeporters getting hurt? Come on!
YankeeRoman(65.222.151.74 (talk) 20:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  illegals got beaten up? 

message: What are RS calling this event? Thanks, --Tom 13:12, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really the question.  You'll never catch the LA Times, for instance, referring to such an event with the word "illegal", even if every single speaker were to proclaim it at the top of their voices.  It's not PC.  But that doesn't change the facts.  There is no real contention over the nature of the event; why would anyone have to demonstrate for legal immigration?  That's already, well, legal, and is in no danger whatsoever.  So what would a pro-legal-immigration rally be protesting?  -- Zsero (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree about the LA Times, but the Orange County Register should have a balanced description.  Furthermore, a pro-increase-in-legal-immigration rally is possible and has actually occured.  It just isn't this one.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Remember, Wikipedia isn't about the "truth" but more about what reliable 3rd party sources have already established. If the bulk of RS are calling this a pro imigration rally, that is what should be used in the lead. You can get into the illegal-immigration issue futher into the article it seems. --Tom 13:56, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I disagree, in part.  If news sources which editorialize in favor of illegal immigration report it as "pro immigration", it doesn't weigh against calling it pro-illegal-immigration.  But we still need news sources which call it in favor of illegal immigration before the information can be properly included.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 14:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Exactly what rights of legal immigrants are not being honored?  Frotz (talk) 20:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Health insurance, living wage, housing, health care .... The list goes on and on. Dems on the move (talk) 17:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is that different from protests demanding the same for citizens?  Frotz (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text:  Legal immigrants can't get health insurance?  They're being denied wages, housing, or health care?  In what country?  Not the USA!  Legal immigrants in the USA get paid what their work is worth, just like anyone else, and can buy whatever housing, health care, or insurance they want and can afford, just like anyone else.  They don't get paid less or charged more, and they're certainly not barred from buying, so what would they be protesting about?  The rally was for illegal immigrants, who, like any other kind of criminal, are in constant danger of being caught, and therefore can't fully participate in the economy.  Like anyone on the run from the law, they pay for it by not being able to do anything that will draw attention to them, such as complaining when they get ripped off. Funny, though, I've never heard of rallies for the rights of other fugitives. -- Zsero (talk) 18:36, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although I wouldn't have put it that way, Demons Dems on the move is exactly WRONG.  Illegal immigrants seem to have more rights to health care than legal immigrants.  And, from from what I recall, the stated purpose of the rally was to increase legal immigration, rather than specifically dealing with rights of legal or illegal immigrants.  Perhaps that's that what we should have, even though the real purpose of the rally seemed to be to increase illegal immigration or to improve the rights of illegal immigrants.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 18:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Here we go again.  It was about rights and a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 22:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  That makes it an immigration rally, a pro-immigration rally, but not a pro-illegal immigration rally.  I believe "immigration rally" is the most NPOV option.  --The Human Spellchecker (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Sigh.  I won't try to get into a revert war, because I'm not active enough on Wikipedia to have enough cred or attentiveness.  But stating that there are sources without being able to produce any isn't any better than not having sources. --The Human Spellchecker (talk) 22:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How about pro-illegal-immigrant rally.  They may not be supporting increasing illegal immigration, but rights for illegal immigrants.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 22:56, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Is this article somehow no longer applicable? Frotz (talk) 23:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pro-illegal immigration rally 

message: The term "mêlée" is open for interpretation, most of the protesters and reporters were peaceful as shown by the  the 13 million settlement and the fallout section. --Jmundo (talk) 05:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with the move, but the "May Day Mêlée" title is commonly used by the press, and I think it should be included in the lead.  Thundermaker (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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thread_title:  Dead link 3 

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thread_title:  Dead link 4 

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thread_title:  Dead link 5 

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thread_title:  Dead link 7 

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thread_title:  Dead link 8 

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thread_title:  Dead link 9 

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