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===Demographics===
Why is it that the demographic data on the language of the city is one of the metropolitan area of Montreal and not the city per se ( the island of Montreal ). I'm not sure that francophones would still be in majority because the combined anglophone/allophone population of the island of Montreal is very near to that of the francophones. The problem is that at this point I don't have precise numbers on that given the fact that the mergers actually happened after the 01 Census. I do feel that data presented on wikipedia is unclear and may be missleading because we have some places in Montreal where French is virtually not spoken at all, the place that I live in has an over 90 % of anglophone/allophone households. The point is that the population of the French speaking Montreal should not be overestimated in the article vis-a-vis the anglophone/allophone population.
VicFromTheBlock
:When talking about the population of a metropolis, it is common matter to consider its neighborhood areas. The combination of a city and its suburbs is called a metropolitan area (or metro area). For example, when commonly said that Paris has a population of about 10 millions, it includes people from a large area around the city limits, the population of the city of Paris itself being about 2-3 millions. The Island of Montréal, which includes the city itself and a few suburbs, is composed of about 55% French-speaking and 45% English/Allophone-speaking people. However, the suburbs (the "450" and some parts of "514"), which include nearly half of the population of the metro area, are composed of French-speaking people at about 75-80%, which give a realistic average of about 2.5 million "native" French-speaking people in Montréal (metro area), more than any other city in the world except Paris. As for Abidjan and Kinshasa, even if the total population of these cities is larger than of Montréal, a large proportion of their residents practically speak local dialects which have few or nothing to do which French language. I updated the article according to these facts. Emcy
::In the demographics section of the article, the demographics of both the Metropolitan Area and the Island of Montreal are listen. Obviously, both are important. The metro area is one thing, the island itself is another. The demographics of the Island give a clearer picture of what we think of as "Montreal". The metropolitan area includes places off the island, which we generally look at as being not-quite Montreal. By having both, we give people a good picture of both ways of looking at the city.--Larineso 15:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
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message: Why is it that the demographic data on the language of the city is one of the metropolitan area of Montreal and not the city per se ( the island of Montreal ). I'm not sure that francophones would still be in majority because the combined anglophone/allophone population of the island of Montreal is very near to that of the francophones. The problem is that at this point I don't have precise numbers on that given the fact that the mergers actually happened after the 01 Census. I do feel that data presented on wikipedia is unclear and may be missleading because we have some places in Montreal where French is virtually not spoken at all, the place that I live in has an over 90 % of anglophone/allophone households. The point is that the population of the French speaking Montreal should not be overestimated in the article vis-a-vis the anglophone/allophone population.
VicFromTheBlock
:When talking about the population of a metropolis, it is common matter to consider its neighborhood areas. The combination of a city and its suburbs is called a metropolitan area (or metro area). For example, when commonly said that Paris has a population of about 10 millions, it includes people from a large area around the city limits, the population of the city of Paris itself being about 2-3 millions. The Island of Montréal, which includes the city itself and a few suburbs, is composed of about 55% French-speaking and 45% English/Allophone-speaking people. However, the suburbs (the "450" and some parts of "514"), which include nearly half of the population of the metro area, are composed of French-speaking people at about 75-80%, which give a realistic average of about 2.5 million "native" French-speaking people in Montréal (metro area), more than any other city in the world except Paris. As for Abidjan and Kinshasa, even if the total population of these cities is larger than of Montréal, a large proportion of their residents practically speak local dialects which have few or nothing to do which French language. I updated the article according to these facts. Emcy
::In the demographics section of the article, the demographics of both the Metropolitan Area and the Island of Montreal are listen. Obviously, both are important. The metro area is one thing, the island itself is another. The demographics of the Island give a clearer picture of what we think of as "Montreal". The metropolitan area includes places off the island, which we generally look at as being not-quite Montreal. By having both, we give people a good picture of both ways of looking at the city.--Larineso 15:17, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Demographics

message: Montreal is a major port city, being at the mouth of the Saint Lawrence Seaway which links it to the industrial centres of the Great Lakes. As the most important port in Canada, it is a transshipment point for grain, sugar, petroleum products, machinery, and consumer goods. For this reason, it is part of the railway backbone of Canada and has always been an extremely important rail city.
The Vancouver Port Authority claims to be the largest port in Canada with over $30-billion Canadian in goods each year. The Port of Montreal website (http://www.port-montreal.com) has very detailed information on cargo volume, but I can't find information on value. Either way, it doesn't challenge Vancouvers claim.
Perhaps "most important port in Eastern Canada" would work better? Or "most important port on Canada's east coast" -- stewacide 03:31, 24 Aug 2003 (UTC)
thread_title: Port

message: The "see also" list should be relatively limited, to topics strongly related to Montreal as a whole (list of cities in Canada, etc.), not to events that simply happened in Montreal.  Otherwise the "see also" list could be very long indeed, including links to Expo 67, the 1976 Olympics, the Expos baseball club, the Montreal Canadiens hockey team and so forth.  On the other hand, such events would fit into a "timeline" page or section... some other cities have them, see for instance Dallas. P.T. Aufrette 20:08, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: See also

message: Seems like some mention should be made of various cultural happenings.  Particularly the Montreal Jazz Festival and the international fireworks competition, but I suppose the Nuits d'Afrique, the Pride Parade, and the Just For Laughs festival deserve mention too.  Perhaps also the Tam Tam jam, not necessarily because it's of international interest (although tourists should see it) but because it's interesting in being self-organized.  I don't know where these sorts of things would fit into the entry (or whether they're worth including).  I think they're cool, but I live here. --Andrew 09:02, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
: You can come and improve Culture of Quebec#Events if you know of these events. There is also a List of Quebec festivals which doesn't yet have a lot of articles to point to. Mathieugp 12:47, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean in the Montreal article? Not sure. I think it's OK if some of it is duplicated. We should try to have it worded differently though. :-) Mathieugp 14:13, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Culture

message: Does someone who lives here have some arctic-wasteland pictures of Montreal to post in the weather section?  I discovered, to my astonishment, that I have none.  One of the mountain in summer would be good, too, to balance our ch'i.  --Andrew 03:00, May 5, 2004 (UTC)
:Tell you what: I will have some in about three months, if you can wait. ^_^ - Montréalais 16:04, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Winter images

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This wiki uses french terms for Montreal streets in the middle of English sentences. This is just wierd. Nobody says "It's at the corner of rue University and boulevard René-Lévesque." You should use English terms on an English website. - 69.157.181.136
#The articles are placed under Marie-Reine-du-Monde Cathedral, not Cathedral of Mary, Queen of the World; Notre-Dame de Montréal Basilica, not Basilica of Our Lady of Montreal; and Saint-Joseph du Mont-Royal, not Saint Joseph's Oratory. They also use French for other proper names: Place d'Armes, Chapelle du Sacré-Coeur, etc. 
#* They are under the terms by which they are commonly known in English, "Marie-Reine-du-Monde Cathedral" and "Notre-Dame de Montréal Basilica", not the French terms "Cathédrale Marie-Reine-du-Monde" and "Basilique Notre-Dame de Montréal". I am not proposing to change "Chemin de le Côte-des-Neiges" to "Coast of the Snows Road", but to the term by which it is commonly known in English, "Côte-des-Neiges Road".
#The French names are official names, printed on the street signs, on maps, in guidebooks, and so forth.
#* The French terms are used on street signs because Montreal is officially a French city, and on maps because there is no point in publishing seperate English and French maps. In English guidebooks the English terms are used.
#** Frommer's and Fodors, for example, use the French. Others omit them entirely, as described below.
#The French names are more common; most people, whatever their native language, call the streets Rue Peel, Boulevard St.-Laurent, Chemin Côte-des-Neiges, and so on (when they use the titles at all—from my experience they tend to leave them out entirely, saying simply Peel, St.-Laurent, and Côte-des-Neiges).
#* I've lived in Montreal for more than 20 years, and I cannot recall once hearing a term like "Rue Peel" in the middle of an English sentence. If you don't believe me, pick up a Newspaper or listen to a traffic report.
#**I've only lived here for a few years, but I have heard such uses—though as I said, I've heard people omit the Rue or Street more often than not.
#** As for newspapers: The Gazette uses the English names. The Mirror simply omits them.
#Taken to its conclusion this Anglicization would require translating all the French street names into English: thus you would end up with Saint Lawrence Boulevard, Pine Avenue, and other perplexing terms. 
#* Again, I not am proposing the "Anglicization" of Montreal street names. I am proposing we use the terms by which they are commonly known in English, such as "Saint-Laurent Boulevard" or "Côte-des-Neiges Road". 
#** Except it seems equally common to call them simply Saint-Laurent or Côte-des-Neiges. Would that be agreeable?
:—No-One Jones 04:53, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a compromise between the official names and the common English usage, which is divided between using French (rarely), using English words (sometimes) and omitting both (sometimes). I'll go ahead and make the changes. do nothing, since you've already done it. Thanks. —No-One Jones 06:20, 10 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Street names

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