Talk:Military brat (U.S. subculture)/Archive 1

message: The merge makes sense, considering at least two of the "brats" listsed on the Army brat page are not Army: Jim Morrison was a Navy brat and Priscilla Presley is Air Force.  John (Jwy) 18:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (((Note: this comment is about a merge that has occurred, not about the current - as of June 2006 - request to merge with Military children))) - DavidWBrooks 13:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Military children is a ridiculous mess - somebody's personal essay. I'd just kill it, personally - DavidWBrooks 13:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nobody objected over a month, so I killed it. There was nothing worth merging. - DavidWBrooks 11:25, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with [[Military children]] 

message: Removed reference to this being American English.  Identified several sources referencing Canadian Brats and one for English Brats.Balloonman 09:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: American English

message: Ok, it seems like this page needs some sources, to deal with the folks who think there is original research here.  I'm not going to add anything but here are some links:
http://www.militarychild.org/pdfs/press/ConferenceLooksMilitaryBratsJuly05.pdf
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Aug2001/n08202001_200108203.html
http://www.dtic.mil/dacowits/agendadoc/ppts/Military_brats_and_other_global_nomads.pdf
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/022000/met_2186291.html
http://www.tahoe-world.com/content/view/1189/62/
Use them in good faith. FrozenPurpleCube
:Thanks, I will.  This AfD discussion is motivating me to get this to FA status.  There is a ton of stuff out there, unfortunately, most of it will be anecdotal or incorporated in Third Culture Kids data.  I don't think there is anything that I said that a military brat will disagree with and there are studies out there supporting it.  it's just a matter of finding them and documenting this.Balloonman 22:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Awiseman, I saw your note on the history about having never heard of home inspections.  I'm guessing that you are a military brat, but the fact that you've never heard this makes me suspect that you're still in your 20's...  I say that because prior to 1987 the annual evaluations for all military personell above the rank of E-4 included an evaluation of the spouse!  That's right, when the military personell received his/her annual review, the fitness of the spouse was commented upon and added to the permanente record of the service member.  One of the criteria upon which the spouse was evaluated was how clean the house was kept.  The notion was that if the military member couldn't lead his family and keep an orderly house, then how could he lead men?  I'll add a reference to this when I work on the main article.  (note this was added by Balloonman forgot to sign it.)
:So far I haven't found a specific reference that specifically mentions Home Inspections, so I'm leaving it out of my latest rendention.  I know that we had them when I grew up, but I don't know if that was standard practice or a specific CO's requirement. Home appearance was part of the evaluation on the fitness report.Balloonman 20:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just for the record, I have found another source for Home Inspections... but it a published primary source.  I'm looking for something a little more authoritativeBalloonman 23:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Truscott p 30---Personal account of when the inspectors came for home inspection.  Balloonman 06:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, maybe it should say "in the past" then --AW 16:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I'm looking for something more authoritative.  If it is a practice that ended in 87 when the Spouse was removed from the service member's evaluation, then that is worth notating.  But right now, it is still anecdotal.Balloonman 18:28, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: home inspections

message: These are two issues that this article needs to address, but I haven't found any reliable sources on them yet...  if anybody can help out feel free to do so.Balloonman 10:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a little bit on the history of homosexuality and how homosexuality is condemned in military circles---thus something that many brats never encounter growing up, but I haven't found anything that deals with brat's views on the subject.Balloonman 08:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Added some stuff on sexism.  I'm not happy with either of these area's, but wanted to get something down.Balloonman 09:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that as all that pertinent unless you can show a direct connection to the children. Rlevse 00:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexism and Homosexuality

message: Awiseman, 
There are some who do not stop, but the expectation is that they do stop during Retreat.  Failure to stop invokes glares from those who are adhereing to the rules.  Failure to stop during the retiring of the colors can have negative implications on the person who continues to drive their vehicle.  This can involve a visit from the Base Commander or individual's CO.  To say that "some" people stop their cars is not valid; the expectation is that they do so.  See the notes 36 and 41.  Note 41 specifically refernences a page discussing how failure to stop has consequences.  How about: At that time, the song "Retreat" is played on a loudspeaker that can be heard across the base.  Anybody outside, even if participating in sports or driving a car, is expected to stop their activity and stand at attention.  Uniformed personnel salute and non-uniformed people place their hand over their heart. Those who fail to do so may be reported and notated in the military member's permanent record (even if it was a family member and not the military member.)  The problem I have with your edits is that it makes it sound option or something that people could do, but in reality it is not optional.  It's kind of like saying "some enlisted people will not salute an officer when passing outdoors in a non-combat area."  You may see it happen, but there is a definate requirement they salute.Balloonman 23:04, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think "expected to" is a good compromise. People were expected to, but not everybody does all the time. --AW 09:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Patriotism--Retreat

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*Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at WP:LEAD. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.
**Done Balloonman 19:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Javascript Peer Review

message: I've removed the Pop Culture section based on peer review comments and my own misgivings towards it.   Created a new article List of famous fictional military brats which needs to be worked on.Balloonman 22:20, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think this might be an ok section to keep actually, as long as the military brat thing is important to the character. Or maybe just keep a couple, and put them all on the new article --AW 22:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I plan on adding a paragraph or section regarding military brats in pop culture and will then create link to the new article.  I need to do the same for the List of famous military brats.Balloonman 22:52, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pop culture