Talk:Bowfin

message: Thought this was interesting, It produces the only true American Caviar, said to rival Russian. I threw in a link at the bottom. See if you like it, or delete it if too commercial....  Msjayhawk (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: American Caviar

message: I have a proposed edit for the "Morphology" section in this article and an image addition. My proposed edit is in italics and the image is next to the content. Let me know if there are any questions!
The skull of the bowfin is made of two layers of skull, the Dermatocranium and the Chondrocranium. The chondrocranium layer cannot be seen because it is located below the dermal bones. The bowfin skull is made up of 28 fused bones, which compose the dermatocranium. The roof of the mouth is made up of three bones, the ectopterygoid, the palatine, and the vomer. The teeth are on two bones, the premaxillae and the maxillae. They have two sets of teeth, one set of larger sharp teeth coming out of the Mandible and Premaxilla bones to grasp and control the prey. Another set of teeth towards the back, called pharyngeal tooth patches that are connected to the Hyomandibula bone are used for sorting out nutrients and grinding down larger pieces of food.  
 
White367 (talk) 20:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed Edit in "Morphology" section

message: Whoever wrote this article doesn't know a thing about bowfin behavior, or has not observed them extensively in the wild.  Bowfin are more apt to feed in the middle of the day as in the dead of night.  Using the term "nocturnal" implies that the fish is exclusively a night feeder, and remains torpid or under cover during daylight hours.  This is obviously false.  While bowfin may occasionally feed at night, they hunt and feed throughout the daylight hours.  An argument could be made that they are crepuscular, but even this is a stretch.  Bowfin are sight feeders, attacking their living prey from ambush points.
:Do you have a source to cite for all this? The ones in the external links don't seem to mention day or night, which suggests that the "nocturnal" should be deleted, but we need a citeable reference to add anything else. Stan 14:47, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I only have an anecdotal account to offer as well, but I have often observed these fish active during the day. This occurs not only in the course of regular feeding, but during their spawn as well. They are a common sight in ditches, slow rivers, and lakes here in the Great Lakes Region. mr.trooper  —Preceding undated comment added 03:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Nocturnal Feeders?

message: Granted, there is only one living member today, but, shouldn't we split Ammiiformes off, especially since we want to eventually get around to discussing the other, albeit extinct, species?--Mr Fink 16:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Support. These combi pages with both species and family (or order, etc) are fine when the latter is monotypic, but problematic otherwise (as is the case here). Any split, of course, would probably best be accompanied with a listing of the families the order contains (otherwise, per present article only: Amiiformes are a primitive order of ray-finned fish. It contains 7 families, 6 of which only are known from Jurassic, Cretaceous, and Eocene fossils, while the last, Amiidae, contains a single extant species, the Bowfin (Amia calva))... but  I'll leave that to someone who actually has a decent level of knowledge about extinct fishes (i.e. not me). • Rabo³ • 01:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Support indeed. As a rule, as soon as prehistoric taxa of nowadays-monotypic lineages have own articles - split! Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 11:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Splitting Ammiiformes

message: "They can grow up to 10 meters in length, and weigh 7 kg" Hmm... that's one lightweight bowfin. Also considerably a lot longer that what fishbase reports.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.81.142.154 (talk) 19:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Size

message: The intro specifically says the Bowfins are an order (Amiiformes), with one extant species (the species treated in this article), but also six additional extinct families, where one of them includes Leedsichthys. Assuming this is correct, Leedsichthys should also be ín the order Amiiformes, but according to its article, it is in the order Pachycormiformes. • Rabo³ • 11:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Last I checked, Pachycormiformes is the sister group of Amiiformes.  We need to doublecheck and amend the articles.--Mr Fink (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: contradiction with ''Leedsichthys''

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I am moving Csmith1's edited version here for now until citations and formatting can be figured out.
:Csmith1 is trying to assert his ownership of Bowfin with his edits.  On my talkpage, he's demanded that I stop "deleting (his) changes to amia calva."  He then justifies by saying "i work for the university of tennessee and am making updates to all of our ocal fish for our ichlyology class. your unknowledgalbe deleting of my changes is only hurting others who want correct information on these fish."  Thus directly implying that other editors are unfit to make contributions to Bowfin.  If you'll examine the history of Bowfin, all of Csmith1's edits have been rewriting and undoing all other editors' contributions so that the page is like this, complete with misspellings, typo's and kludgy wordiness.  In fact, I tried to work with Csmith1's edits, and he undid all of them, even reinserting his silly typo of "my most" --Mr Fink (talk) 18:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Csmith1's additions 

message: The article should have the other names of this fish; choupic/choupique is a relatively common one. I've heard 'grindle' as well.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by204.38.54.56 (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, so long as you provide sources and references to verify these other names.--Mr Fink (talk) 17:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Alternative Names

message: The additions to the "Diseases" section were great.  I was trying to find more information to include in that section because it seemed rather bare.  Last evening I came across an article that mentioned something about bowfins having a high resistance to disease, and thought it would be an interesting addition, but  I was distracted by outside influences, and haven't been able to find that article again.  Atsme☯Consult 19:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! I noticed something about the mollusk larvae in a source, and I tried to dig a bit deeper. If you find more, please add! --cyclopiaspeak! 20:42, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also: thank you for the "Mistaken identity" paragraph, that's a clever one. I just wonder if there can be a better title, but I can't think of anything.--cyclopiaspeak! 20:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Headers and sub-headers are a toughie for me because they need to be short. I don't do "short" very well. I agree, the current header is not very "encyclopedic". It sounds more like a chapter heading for a mystery novel, but it's better than "Morphological look-alikes", or "What bowfins are not".<---maybe those headers will get the wheels turning. How about "Bowfins, snakeheads, and berbots", or does that sound more like a tune from the Wizard of Oz? Atsme☯Consult 23:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excellent additions 

message: Will you include or combine some info on taxonomy in one of the sections, or maybe add a new section? Atsme☯Consult 00:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxonomy 

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