Talk:Panel van

message: I (and others I have checked with disagree that panelvans were "also known simply as 'PVs'" - any source for this assertion?  Was it a regional variation?--A  Y  Arktos 20:43, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The picture of a Nissan Urvan seems out of place in the context of the article  Xt828 11:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  As does a picture of a Ford Transit, which is a van: not a panelvan, even in the British use of the term (who claimed this? no citation?). Maybe a Ford Transit Connect better fits the term, but a standard Ford Transit is clearly too big for a panelvan. This should be removed, or the image swapped for a Transit Connect. Lordstorm (talk) 19:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Transit Connect is a sedan-delivery. It's front-wheel drive only, and based on a unibody car chassis.  So it's not a panel van.  The full-sized Transit is sold by Ford in three variants, called "Passenger Van," "Crew Van," and "Cargo Van" with global uniformity, to my observation.  I do see Ford dealers referring to the full-sized transit as a "panel van" in , , and elsewhere, though, so it's not completely unheard-of. EVhotrodder (talk) 01:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  also known simply as "PVs" 

message: should the Chevy HHR vega and the fullsize windowless american vans be included somewhere here as they do and did come with a windowless panel/cargo veriation which wasn't much different then some of the other wagons and vans mentioned except their names?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.17.201.146 (talk) 17:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Panel wagons/Cargo vans 

message: I've never thought of the VW "Transporter" as a panel van, even if that is the technical name for it. In eastern Australia, where I grew up, everyone called it a "Kombi" or "Kombi van".  The term "panel van" was reserved for the surfers' Ford "Sandman" and similar vehicles, while the van proper (a cab fronting a chassis with high sides) was considered a truck or "pantec".  What do others think?  BoundaryRider (talk) 08:36, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  VW Kombi is a panel van? 

message: The Australian meaning needs its own article.  They are a completely different vehicle, based on a different chassis, used for a different purpose.  The term in Australia has only one meaning, and that is the Sandman type vehicle popular in the 70s. There was a whole culture built around them, mostly by the surfing fraternity or-hot rodders, and more often than not they were decked out for sleeping.  I know there was some use as tradies vans, but even those vehicles were different from what the lead in this article says.--Dmol (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You know, you seem to know what you're talking about. What I know is, the Australian section overwhelms the article as it is. I certainly don't object. --I dream of horses (T) @  02:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Australian meaning needs its own article. 

message: Do panel deliveries have 2 rear doors, 1?  --squadfifteen —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.64.135.19 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 25 September 2005
:Some have one, others two.  For example, my father's 1956 Meteor Sedan Delivery, built by Ford of Canada, had a single large door, hinged at the left side.  The door had a full-width glass window, making the center rear-view mirror quite usable when the cargo area was empty, since the view was unobstructed by frames.  The body was essentially the same as the station wagon version of the vehicle, except for the lack of side windows aft of the front bench seat, and the area aft of the seat was a flat plywood platform for cargo hauling.  I'm not certain, but I think the 2-door Ranch Wagon (station wagon) on which it was based had a split rear door, half of which was hinged at the bottom and folded downward like a pickup truck tailgate; the upper part with the full-width window folded upward and was held up by struts.  While this arrangement is fine for a station wagon, it would have been troublesome for a delivery van. —QuicksilverT @ 18:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Number of rear doors

message: How do these vehicles differ from car-based vans? Meio 12:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They dont - Sedan delivery is just the North American phrase. 78.32.143.113 (talk) 15:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Difference from car-based vans

message: They never stopped making car based vans in Europe. For example look up Astravan. Meio (talk) 18:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Car-based vans in Europe

message: From what I understand we call that body type a car derived van and many are available like the Astra van which has already been mentioned. almost every Euro manufacturering group makes at least one. should this be integrated into the article? also We'd just call it a van in normal speak (And not a car).(Morcus (talk) 23:01, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Car-derived vans

message: There seems to have been a discussion earlier, but reading Panel truck leaves me very unclear as to the distinction from "panel van." It seems mainly to come down to regional distinctions, with a bit of marketing thrown in. I believe that merging panel truck here would help clarify matters and remove content duplication. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  19:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think there is a case to merge, but I think there is a stronger case to keep them seperate and improve the Panel truck page and the distinction. Especially the "Difference" section on that page which refers to panel vans as "sedan delivery". Why keep seperate? to borrow from zoology - animals are named and classified by how they evolved and are related to, no matter how similar the end result of different evolutionary routes are. By that same logic, I see panelvans and panel trucks as having "evolved" quite differently, so should remain seperate. --.../NemoThorx (talk • Contributions) 07:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I am just wondering if this distinction is indeed correct. To me it seems mostly a case of regional differences. Meanwhile, the attempts at including the VW T2 and the Chevrolet HHR completely undermines the case for a separate entry as one is a plain van (T2) and the other almost perfectly fits the definition of a panel van. There is so far no source stating that panel trucks were built on SUV or crossover chassis.  Mr.choppers | ✎  13:31, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost definitely regional variations are going to play into this. And the haphazard updating of different wikipedia articles by different people doesn't help any. To look at the two vehicles you cited - the VW Type 2 was passenger vehicle derived for the first three generations (T1, T2 and T3), but certainly don't share the body style of "panel vans" used here (ie: sedan front, van rear), and the later generations (T4, T5, T6) appear to be designed as commercial vans first and foremost - making it a different vehicle type by my logic! (The Ford Econoline makes another example of this type of complexity - the original 1963 version was Falcon based, whilst latter designs with the same name were a completely unrelated). The HHR has the look of a panelvan to me, but it seems to be a from-scratch design (on the GM Delta Platform) rather than sharing front (B pillar forward) with another vehicle. So from my Australian eyes perspective, I would actually call the HHR a panelvan, but not because I think it fits the definition particularly well (and certainly not "almost perfectly"), but because it fits the definition better than any other vehicle type! :) (I note that when I say "sharing B pillar forward", to Australian eyes I mean that in the most literal way possible, as per this diagram of the XK Falcon model variants: https://www.fitmycar.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/XKFalconcommon01.jpg ). The "panel van" has a strong cultural history in Australia in a way that I don't think it did in any other country. In the past this led to the Australian Panelvan specific page which was merged above. I have a concern that merging Panel Trucks to here will dilute that information and could lead to a push to recreate the Panel Van (Australia) page! Anyway, all this is me thinking out loud more than anything. I'm happy with the current split of pages, but still consider myself convincable. I hope some more voices join in :) -- …/NemoThorx (💬 • 📜) 00:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I generally agree with all of what you say. After having removed a bunch of contradictory and unreferenced things from panel truck, I believe that the narrow definition of a panelled van version of a truck, usually a large American pickup truck, is correct and merits a standalone entry. Of course, now there is an editor who is trying to expand the definition and is marking everything he can as a panel truck... Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  01:21, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: While the OP is looking at this by region, I'm looking at this by body style. I almost thought  was doing the same, but I was mistaken. A panel truck would be based on the conventional cab trucks, whereas the panel van is the commercial version of the Volkswagen Type 2, and subsequent competitors. As for the Australian Ford Falcon, I realize they call them and similar vehicles "vans" over there, but for us, something like that would be considered the "Sedan Delivery" vehicles.---------User:DanTD (talk)  03:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yeah, I'm not looking at this by body style by looks, but by... body engineering pedigree, I guess.  To Australian ears, "panel van" covers both the VW Type2 type van, AND sedan-delivery type van. Both share the common factor of "a commercial vehicle based on a passenger vehicle". Australians in the van scene also tend to reserve "sedan delivery" for the panelvans that share the roofline with station wagons, to distinguish them from the high-roof versions (something I think is a uniquely Australian development). To attempt to summarise what may have become confusing - to Australian eyes I think the following is true: VW Type 2 is a panelvan but often just called a "van" to distinguish. A station-wagon-roofline van is a panelvan, but often called "sedan delivery" to distinguish. And "panel van" with no need to distinguish defaults to being understood as basically being "a Coupé utility with integrated (panel) canopy". They could be argued as being "sedan delivery but with a high/unique roof", but often the changes in body lines behind the front doors are more different then just "high roof and filled in doors"). The jump from "sedan delivery" to "panel van" was made by Ford when moving from the 1965 Ford Falcon (XP) to the 1966 Ford Falcon (XR) though the ute-derived "unique roof" is originally Holden - the 1953 Holden FJ had a panelvan body style (derived from the Coupé utility but no station wagon body style at all! But summary of summary: they're all "panelvans" to me! -- …/NemoThorx (💬 • 📜) 12:49, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge Panel truck