Talk:Howard Beach, Queens

message: This article is not very neutral.  Someone should put one of those "the neutrality of this article is disputed" signs up.
*I've looked through the article and have to ask, "Which parts do you feel are not neutral?", they can be changed.
Attempting the commission of a crime is still a crime. In this case, it would be attempted grand larceny or attempted grand theft auto. These are both very serious crimes. The hitting of the CRIMINALS with bats could very well be a crime, depending on the circumstances. You're right that one is definitely a crime, but incorrect about which one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.236.200 (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: other stuff

message: Having just come across this page, I made one addition to the "Howard Beach Redux" section which recounts the events of the June attacks on three African-American men and speaks to the original question of neutrality given above. The original summary of "Redux" conveniently ends with the fact that one of the alleged attackers had gone after a Sikh mistaken for a Muslim in response to the September 11, 2001. The implication is clear: that was a bias attack, so clearly this is one as well. However, the facts of this case do not speak clearly to this implication, at least not to the extent that the author may wish. There is evidence, including the testimony of the victims themselves, that the victims were actually there to steal a car and had made threats to steal a chain from a perpetrator in the attacks. Obviously this does not justify the beating, but it is nonetheless relevant to the case and cannot be omitted if the author's intention (as it should be) is to give a clear account of what is known and what is hearsay. This is a central question of the incident and, pending further investigation, must be included in any factual summary so as not to provide a misleading indication of finality to what is known to have happened. Thus the additional sentence at the end of "Redux," and perhaps an example of a lack of neutrality as expressed above.
18:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality Redux  

message: Parts of this article are so NPOV it's funny. Why would you bring up a racial incident that happened twenty years ago in this article about a community? A bunch of two-bit mooks hit some guys with baseball bats and all of a sudden that reflects the views of the entire neighborhood? Come on. Do you know how often crimes like that are committed? This would not be an issue if the New York Times and other New York media were not so inflammatory, trying to sell papers through "racial tension."
:First of all, remember to sign your posts with four tildes ~~~~ so that we know who wrote what and when. The incidents listed were particularly notorious and heinous, above and beyond the every day mook-related racial incident. These incidents are notable, verifiable and encyclopedic. Twenty years is far to soon to right off incidents of this nature. Alansohn 20:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The racial incident in question is referrenced frequently with regards to race relations, partially because of the nature of the incident and because of the backlash that it invoked. 63.24.15.148 (talk) 18:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This is hilarious

message: John Gotti Jr. lived here as well. Please confirm with independant sources, but I think it is an important part of the neighborhood's history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.237.147 (talk) 21:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Gotti Jr. 

message: This is completely factual. Here's a link. 
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5dL30NHl4cAiSVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybjZmajB2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjAEY29sbwNhYzIEdnRpZAMEbANXUzE-/SIG=12kiqr9ut/EXP=1195716811/**http%3a//www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/11/howard_beach_ra.php 
This is significant to the Halloween incident. I'm adding it back.  72.161.221.51 (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: inserted your link into article but also rewrote section to be more consistent with what was contained in your link and other link give in section 130.156.29.112 (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  150 person Howard Beach march  

message: Maybe these sections should be moved to a separate article to avoid dominating this one.  Thoughts? 130.156.30.59 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I think the bias incidents have undue weight. My opinion is to integrate them into the history section (which obviously needs to be worked on as well). Also I think the Demographics should be higher than them and Transportation. NyRoc (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:   Bias Incidents 

message: There are a few points I'd like to bring up here. One, there is no citation for the claim that 47.6% of Howard Beach is Italian American. I'd suspect that number is bloated and outdated and probably lower with modern immigration. Two, there are two different economic averages on the same page which hurt the integrity of the article. One claims $69,800, the other $82,000. And the one that says $82,000 says upper middle class next to it which is arbitrary. What income do you need to make to be considered that? It is also says where homes range from $650,000 to 2 million+. Two problems. One, this is probably outdated and written before the housing collapse. Two, there is no citation. Plus, this seems like an exaggeration. Most people average 70 to 80 thousand per year as a family couldn't reasonably afford a 7 figure priced home. I'll be deleting all of this until proper citation is provided. TomNyj0127 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
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