Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sydney/Archive 2

message: This website's full of information on Sydney's suburbs. Don't know how accurate it is though. Maybe someone with enough time and energy can syphon it into Wikipedia in some way or another. Also, copyright issues may need to be considered.  -- Jasabella 10:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: About the copyright issue: The dictionary of Sydney seems keen to try and release stuff under some sort of an open license .  They mention creative commons.  This is probably the time for Wikipedians to interect with the Dictionary of Sydney to try and convince them to make their license compatible with the GNU Free Documentation License. John Dalton 13:04, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feeling ambitious? 

message: Just wondering, is the sydneysuburbsbox2 really neccessary (it's on a lot of the canterbury LGA suburbs and more)? The more I look at the box, the more I think that it doesn't fit in. Is there a discussion page on this somewhere? Aside from relevance, I'm also questioning what suburbs get put into those boxes (e.g. what defines 'near'?) and where we're getting the "this suburb is south-east of this one" info from? Do we have our own little map that we're using as an authority on this to make it easier to do this? Bringing this up because the first time I saw the one for Lakemba, New South Wales I didn't think it was correct. Mentioned this in Talk:Lakemba, New South Wales but I don't think there's much discussion going on there. Blu3d 16:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally I hate it and I would readily vote for it to be deleted. But I won't nominate it I'll just remove it from pages and never ever ever use it myself.--Garrie 04:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree, it looks silly, especially at or near the top of the page. If it must stay, i vote move it to the bottom. Quaidy 02:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually I quite like them, it'd be easier to put info like area, population, postcode, state district, etc in the infoboxes rather than in sentences. I do agree about the "this suburb is south-east of this one" argument though, it looks really queer esp. when 'incomplete' in the Lakemba page. Hectic18 10:20, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  SydneySuburbsBox2 

message: Throughout The 2001 City of Blacktown Social Plan  they refer to the "Sydney SD" being the Sydney Statistical Division.
Is this "the same as" the Sydney greater metropolitan area? Is there a preferred phrase for that "area", and how far does it extend?
is it
* the greater Sydney metropolitan area or
* the Sydney greater metrololitan area
* or should there be more capitals in there
or does nobody really care?
--Garrie 04:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Sydney SD includes the Central Coast, and in my opinion does not match any commonly used notion of Sydney. JPD (talk) 10:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

text: It also includes the Blue Mountains and part of the Southern Highlands.Quaidy 01:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Sydney SD" from census 

message: With regard to WP: Sydney, is the "scope" "any article related to any topic which is within any of the suburbs listed as being suburbs of Sydney"?
There seem to be "a few" definitions of what is "in/not in" "Sydney", I am trying to go through shopping centres - there were a lot of Sydney ones straight in :Category:Shopping centres in Australia, I have created :Category:Shopping centres in New South Wales & :Category:Shopping centres in Sydney - but are
* Hustville
* Cronulla
* Wollongong 
* Cowra
* Hornsby
* Tuggerah 
* Newcastle
* Parramatta
* Penrith
* Lithgow
* Bathurst
in Sydney, or New South Wales?
(yeah, that list is facetious but lets see who draws the line where!)
--Garrie 01:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It came out in a recent discussion on Talk:Sydney  that the Geographical Names Board of NSW defines Sydney city as: "The inner city area is located on the southern shores of Port Jackson, but the city extends to the north, south and west for many km."  How big is "many km"?  Maybe Sydney doesn't have an official boundary?  I wonder who decides where those brown "Welcome to Sydney" signs go on the "edge" of Sydney? John Dalton 01:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that the GNB are attempting to "define" the extent of Sydney in that statement. I don't think there is an official boundary, although there are obviously well defined boundaries in specific contexts that may or may not agree with each other. As Garrie suggested at Talk:Sydney, it may be worth following the results of the discussion at Talk:List of Sydney suburbs - it covers the LGAs considered part of Sydney by the Department of Local Government, and places such as Richmond on the inside of the Hawkesbury River. JPD (talk) 10:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: Articles listed on  come out on the top of Special:Wantedpages, due to how often  is called in .
This has resulted in Azrael (band) being created by a user because if they weren't notable they wouldn't be #2 on the wanted pages list.
 is too big to display, so it is rarely used on pages, so the requests on it don't recieve any publicity - so they are not created.  Sydney Children's Hospital has been on there for ages, I'm sure it's more notable than Azrael (band)?
Anyway - if we can keep an eye on  and move some requests from  onto the other, more commonly used template, maybe some of the Sydney articles might get created? Even stubs are better than red links, aren't they?--Garrie 02:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getting articles created 

message: I recently checked the colours used for CityRail articles and found they were'nt the correct ones. Here are the correct colours:
Suburban lines
*Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra Line: #0079C1
*Bankstown Line: #F78F00
*Inner West Line: #7E81BE
*Cumberland Line: #B63E96
*Airport & East Hills Line: #48A942
*South Line: #72CDF4
*North Shore and Western Lines: #FDBB30
*Northern Line: #E31836
*Carlingford Line: #004990
*Olympic Park Sprint and special event services: #7E8183
Intercity lines
*South Coast Line: #0079C1
*Southern Highlands Line: #48A942
*Blue Mountains Line: #FDBB30
*Newcastle and Central Coast Line: #E31836
Regional line
*Hunter Line: #5A3F99
Harryboyles 12:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The Internet Explorer browser does not support "grey" colour, such that gray colour should be used. --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 14:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  CityRail line colours 

message: I have created a new infobox for rail, bus and t-way lines, :Template:Public transport infrastructure in Sydney. It replaces :Template:CityRailSydney. As you can see, unlike its previous iterations, there is no provision for this template to be colour-coded to match transit operator marketing material. This is, to say the least, contentious. However, there are sound reasons for keeping Wikipedia coverage of the CityRail network colour consistent.
*First, and most importantly, none of our readers need to have the concept of "red", "blue" and so on illustrated for them.
*Wikipedia is not a railway timetable, it is an encyclopaedia. While CityRail's use of colour is worth noting (in the map_colour field), it need not mandate the manner in which we display information.
*CityRail maps are coloured to make sense of the tangle of intersecting lines, and to clearly convey navigational information to fast-moving passengers on visually crowded platforms. These imperatives do not exist at Wikipedia, nor at any other encyclopaedia.
*The garishly coloured CityRail pages look messy and - in some cases - violate best practice for accessible web design.
As you can see, I have selected one colour to highlight titles on a range of Sydney public transport templates. This shade of yellow is composed using the RGB values listed in NSW Ministry of Transport approved pictograms and arrows and thus ties in with the Ministry's overall look and feel for public transport signage in Sydney.
I recognise that this change reverses long-standing practice on the CityRail pages. I would ask that anyone who strongly disagrees with the move away from colour-coding here to address the issues outlined above first. Joestella 06:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: New templates and approaches to colour

message: Hello! I improve the article about the 2000 Olympics in the german wikipedia (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympische_Sommerspiele_2000) for our writing competition. If you have photos with connection to this thema. I would be very happy, if someone could take a photo of the past olympic village and venues. Julius1990 13:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2000 Olympics 

message: I've added photos of Westfield Eastgardens, Westfield Parramatta, Westfield Burwood, Iron Cove Bridge and Burwood Park. I hope these photos are useful. --Whats new? 07:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding photos from around Sydney 

message: Hello - if anyone is still reading this list, could anyone help add at least one photo to this list (:Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Sydney)? It seems to be a bit neglected lately. Any help would be great. (JROBBO 04:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested photos list 

message: If anyone is interested there is an open day for Kirribilli and Admiralty House on October 29th. It costs money, but it would be fantastic to get some photos (at least outdoor ones if they let you) and info, given that the public can't get anywhere near them normally. Details here. (JROBBO 06:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought every day was open day at Kirribilli House!  ;-) John Dalton 09:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Admiralty House/Kirribilli House Open Day 

message: Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory.  This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you.  B2T2 16:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Project directory 

message: I've added this page to help us for railway station photos that we don't have. Some lines are now well covered, others have none. If there's anyone in Western Sydney that could help out with a few photos that would be great.
See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Sydney/Railway_stations/Photos. JROBBO 04:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railway Station Photo List 

message: Does anyone know the origin of the names of the Lady class Sydney Ferries vessels (Lady Herron and Lady Northcott)? Also, how best to include the names of now-decommissioned Sydney Ferries? Joestella 04:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lady Northcott was the wife of Sir John Northcott, who was a previous Governor of New South Wales. Not sure of the Lady Herron. JROBBO 03:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lady class ferries

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: Does anyone here live or go near the Royal National Park? I'm in the process of trying to fix up the Illawarra Line related articles, and it would be good to have some info and pictures of the old National Park branch as that would add a lot to the article. Just one photo of the old station would be fine. Any help would be greatly appreciated. JROBBO 02:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anyone live or go near the Royal National Park? 

message: Movieguy46 has moved "Kings Cross, New South Wales" to Kings Cross Sydney. His reasoning on Talk:Kings Cross Sydney is "that the most common search is for Kings Cross Sydney". I would have thought it doesn't matter about search results, that there should be a naming convention we should follow ie place name then state. Or for a feature/locality, place name then city ie Hyde Park, Sydney. Nomadtales 11:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We already have a naming convention for towns and suburbs. Town/suburb name, state is the established convention for said places as detailed by Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(places)#Australia. A redirect goes from Kings Cross Sydney to "Kings Cross, New South Wales". Harryboyles 12:01, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name dispute resolution 

message: Hi everyone - I'm having Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra railway line, Sydney peer reviewed at the moment, with the hope that it could reach FA status quite soon (or GA status if it didn't get to that). This would only be the second Sydney-related article to become FA standard if it passed (the first is Sydney Roosters). However, before that happens, I'd appreciate some comments on the article if you have any suggestions. The peer review is here. Thanks. JROBBO 09:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Following some helpful comments, I've now put this up for FAC. I'd love some support or some constructive comments here. Thanks. JROBBO 11:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is now an FA, the second one for Sydney. Thanks to all who contributed to the article, and all those who made changes or made helpful comments. JROBBO 07:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra Railway Line up for FAC 

message: The article Carlingford Court has been nominated for deletion on the grounds "No assertion of notability". If you have an opinion on either direction on this article, please feel free to contribute to the debate at the above link. Orderinchaos 13:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carlingford Court 

message: :Image:Cooks_River1.gif and :Image:Cooks_River2.gif, which I noticed in the IfD discussions, seem to be quite nice pictures with GFDL licences that may be useful in illustrating a suburb - however, being from the other side of our fair land, I have no idea which one. If anyone can find a home for them that would be great. Orderinchaos 16:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cooks River2 quite conveniently is described as "at Tempe" - I am inclined to believe them... unfortunately Cooks River1 is described as "near the airport". Dunno that part of the harbour/river well enough to pinpoint it. 
Very similarly named images to these pictures are already on Cooks River - :Image:CooksRiver2.jpg and :Image:CooksRiver1.jpg. So these are copies of pictures we already have. They should be deleted. But good on you for bringing it to our attention!Garrie 23:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. As you can understand I preferred to make sure first :) That's fine, I'll support the deletion then. Keep up the good work! Orderinchaos 04:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nice images seek compatible article, free to good home? 

message: The Project page was looking a little tired and was a bit out of date, so I've updated it with a new layout. If you have any suggestions on further content, let me know. JROBBO 03:15, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Page revamp

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. --Harryboyles 06:16, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of Template:{{ucfirst:Cityrail Station}} 

message: The Parramatta-Rouse Hill section of the North-West T-Way is opening on March 10; there's free rides on the Saturday on the section. It would be a great chance to get some photos of the T-Way; if anyone's keen they can visit the Parramatta-Liverpool T-Way and get some photos of that while they're at it (although it's not free). Anyone up for it? JRG 09:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not answering and ingorning aren't quite the same thing. I'd love to help, but I don't think I can make it ;-) JPD (talk) 12:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine - it would make for an expensive trip for you :-) I was testing if anyone still read this page, as the last couple of items haven't really been responded to. JRG 13:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, my home pc got blasted by a storm and I'm a bit busy at work right now. So I reserve my comments for topics I'm most likely to contribute to.Garrie 05:09, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: North-West T-Way

message: The article Central West (Sydney) was recently created, and linked to from Sydney and . I have expressed my concerns about the accuracy of the content and indeed the notability of this regional identity at Talk:Central West (Sydney) - more input would be appreciated. JPD (talk) 09:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Central West region 

message: I have created the page, New South Head Road, Sydney as per suggestion, though my knowledge of the road is limited, the article has been tagged for deletion, if anyone has a good knowledge of the road I encourage them to contribute to the article. Bandwagonman 15:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New South Head Road, Sydney

message: I have taken a photo of the Sydney Harbour Tunnel and will get one of the ASX soon, regarding the Lane Cove Tunnel I tried to get a picture yesterday but the angle isn't ideal from the Pacific Highway does anyone ever use Reserve Road I think it is as it offers a good view of the tunnel, if anyone does it would help if you could take the photo whenever possible. Bandwagonman 11:51, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added some screengrabs from a time-lapse video I've taken of the orbital network in the meantime, until better photographs are taken. Wyp 01:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: If anyone lives outside of Sydney along the main railway lines, I now have a list of photos of the CityRail network stations with and without photos. Any help (even one photo) would be immensely helpful. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Sydney/Railway stations/Photos and scroll to the Intercity section. We're especially in need of photos in the Lower Blue Mountains, and the Shoalhaven/Illawarra area. Thanks. JRG 08:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Intercity Line Photos - help needed 

message: Regarding the WikiProject Sydney's Sydney Explorer page:  as written it currently fails WP:CORP as the article doesn't establish how Sydney Explorer is notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia.  I thought I'd throw this out to the project people first to see if it could be rewritten, rather than simply nominate the article for deletion as a non-notable promotional/advertisement insertion. SpikeJones 18:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Sydney Explorer, together with the Bondi Explorer, was previously covered by one paragraph in the Sydney Buses article. That article was later seriously shortened and moved, cutting out the Explorer paragraph. While I can see why editors wanted to remove that sort of information from the Sydney Buses article, it has the result that we now have a whole article for something that probably doesn't deserve one. JPD (talk) 09:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't it be Sydney buses, in keeping with WP:STYLE?  (ah, I see that it is already)   Or better, Transportation in Sydney where you would discuss all transportation options available in the city instead of needing different pages?   (ah, I see that as well.  Never mind)    Anyway, I'll leave it to the Sydney people like yourself to remerge or otherwise handle that page.  Just thought I'd bring it to you attention.  Cheers! SpikeJones 11:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Sydney Buses, one of the business units of the State Transit Authority of New South Wales, is the entity which runs the Sydney Explorer route. Since it no longer has its own page, I would suggest adding the Explorer routes to its section on the STA page, either along with the other "high profile" routes, or in a separate paragraph, as they are not commuter services. If it weren't for the fact that Sydney buses is often a typo for "Sydney Buses", I would say the redirect would be better directed to Bus companies in Sydney, or something like that. JPD (talk) 13:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Stupid me. They are already included in the list of high profile routes. I don't see the need for an article as well. JPD (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: With the Sydney Explorer article, well I think I was board the day that I wrote it and desperate for some ideas at the time, thats all I could think of, so if you want go ahead and delete the article or find someone who can add to it. On previous occasions I have tried to delete it myself but it keeps getting reverted. 
It probably would be a good idea to delete this article, I have actually taken the main paragraph from the Sydney Explorer page and added that to atleast 2 other articles, with  at the top of the section.--AdamJWC 03:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney Explorer page 

message: I have added a "" template to the article Brian Wood (rugby player), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy).  You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. 
So much for the boilerplate. This is actually typed in by a human. I know squat about rugby and my memories of Sydney, though pleasant, are hazy and certainly don't include anything related to sport. Maybe I'm all wrong about this. -- Hoary 08:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Brian Wood (rugby player)]]

message: Sydney_Bypass#Bypass outside the Sydney Basin
Has a reference but it is written and webhosted by the page's creator and only contributor.. 129.31.72.52 01:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does look like some sort of self-promotion. I think the key thing is that while there is indeed a proposal, there is no suggestion that this proposal was commissioned by the government or has received any sort of publicity or support, so including it in the article is giving it too much weight. Unless some evidence of its importance is provided, I would remove it. JPD (talk) 09:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

text: *Mea culpa.  I did that in October last year shortly after starting editing wikipedia and had forgotten about it by the time I learned about original research and conflict of interest.  Andrew Stoner (NSW Nationals leader) looked at it around June 2006 and the federal Nationals have actively supported related roadworks but there is nothing on their web site or the Liberal site to show that they support it.  Anyway, I've removed it now.  --Athol Mullen 11:43, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! JPD (talk) 12:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research?