Talk:Cassandra Claire/Archive 1

message: Would everyone please sign their messages?
This page might make sense to the people holding their (apparently private) conversation here, but it's near impossible for anyone else to make out who's saying what and when. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 8 July 2005 16:06 (UTC)
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For about the zillionth time, it is NOT plagiarism or in anyway problematic to quote lines from something without footnoting them. Terry Pratchett does it in all his books, and the clever reader is supposed to look for them. Therefore, any discussion of CC using Buffy the Vampire Slayer lines throughout her trilogy is entirely ridiculous.
The actual issue was rather more limited. One book, one chapter involved. The facts of that could be easily and shortly presented. However, if this is going to go off on tangents and accusations, I rather think it should be deleted. - NM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.179.199.204 (talk • contribs) 23:33, 8 July 2005.
#Still not signing!  Just type four tildes (~~~~ after your messages.
#Why did you place your message here, rather than after the one you were replying to? --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 8 July 2005 23:04 (UTC)
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Wikipedia on plagiarism:
"Plagiarism refers to the use of another's ideas, information, language, or writing, when done without proper acknowledgment of the original source. Essential to an act of plagiarism is an element of dishonesty in attempting to pass off the plagiarised work as original. Plagiarism is not necessarily the same as copyright infringement, which occurs when one violates copyright law. Like most terms from the area of intellectual property, plagiarism is a concept of the modern age and not really applicable to medieval or ancient works."
One chapter of Pamela Dean's work instead of two, or three, or one and a half, does not make it less of plagiarism than it was. It was put, whole cloth, into a work which had her name down as author. See this portion of the definition: "Essential to an act of plagiarism is an element of dishonesty in attempting to pass off the plagiarised work as original." When you put your name on something as having written it, you're saying it's yours. If you don't say, "it's mine except for this part here, and that part there," you have plagiarized.
That this is even a discussion is astounding. That it's one with a lawyer arguing against the law is sad, if not unexpected. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.136.104.51 (talk • contribs) 01:28, 9 July 2005.
*Are four tildes really so hard for the squabblers to type?  If you're going to contribute to Wikipedia, even if in such an unproductive way, could you have the courtesy to follow Wikipedia custom? Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages.  Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 9 July 2005 09:07 (UTC)
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I'd rather not sign my name here so I'll use a number. It's not just one chapter, it's that Cassandra Claire repeatedly admitted to writing multiple chapters using material (Pamela Dean, Josh Whedon, etc) that wasn't hers. Like I said, I was one of her early fans, and loved her writing. That was when I didn't know any better about the above mentioned authors (I had never heard of Pamela Dean before Cassandra Claire nor did I watch Buffy before CC). I hear that she's sold a book to a publishing company. This company should know about Cassandra Claire's plagiarizing history. As a writer and have friends who are published writers, we think Cassandra Claire is a bad influence on people who would like to be writers. We're going to advertise to people not to buy her book as well. 68.0.214.59 01:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: But I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not an acceptable platform for your campaign. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. --Mel Etitis  (Μελ Ετητης) 11:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Signing