Talk:Spaßguerilla

message: A Google search returns:
*about 600 English pages for Spass-guerilla -Spaßguerilla -Spassguerilla -wikipedia. -- with a "-" or space
*about 578 English pages for "Spass guerilla" -Spaßguerilla -Spassguerilla -wikipedia. -- with a space
*about 188 English pages for -Spass-guerilla Spaßguerilla -Spassguerilla -wikipedia. -- but most of the first 10 pages returned for Spaßguerilla were in German.
*about 168 English pages for -Spass-guerilla -Spaßguerilla Spassguerilla -wikipedia.
So a simple Google search suggests that "Spass guerilla" is by far the most common usage in English on the net. I have not looked to see if any of those would be considered a reliable source in as defined in WP:V--Philip Baird Shearer (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a very similar Google search for English sources, but sifting through the first 50+ results yielded nothing really valid, mostly sub-blog quality. user:Everyme 11:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Google search

message: Do we care? The article is trivial- and even says that Duden doesn't recognise the word.  It could happily be deleted and noone would care. Which ever one we choose, the other will be written as a REDIRECT.
We can debate Rechtschreibungsreform but it all hinges on whether a is a short vowel or a long vowel and that changes from city to city.
The precedent has been set with Gießen and Groß-Gerau- and ß is on the American International keyboard (Alt-Gr s) but it is not English, and the respect for the individual, viz Strauß, cannot apply to a concept that is not notable enough to be included in Duden. 
Lets debate whether it is Guerrilla or Guerilla instead.ClemRutter (talk) 21:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So put the page up for deletion. I hadn't really considered that the page doesn't really seem notable, but in retrospect, you're right. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 23:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What? user:Everyme 07:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Fourth Opinion

message: Since there is no normal English spelling, I would be in favour of using the German spelling. However, this word is a very special case. 
According to normal German rules, "Spaß" would be written with ß in all combinations, unless one were deliberately using unorthodox spelling to indicate non-standard pronunciation (like "gotta go" in English) . However, it would appear that the people who started this cultural phenomenon in the student protests of 1968, notably Fritz Teufel, deliberately coined the term "Spassguerilla" with that spelling; so it is an authentic proper noun with that spelling when used to refer to that movement. This spelling is also deliberately used (alongside normal spelling of Spaß) by official organizations such as the Bundeszentrale für politische Bildung, as here (A direct path from the Spassguerilla to terrorism?" Forms of campaigning (?) and violence in the protest movement).  This was referred to above as the "diabolical" variant" (the German teuflisch which normally means "diabolical", here also means "Teufelian", referring to :de:Fritz Teufel, probably intened as a pun).  So I now think the article title should be Spassguerilla and there should be a longer explanation of the "correct" (i.e. deliberately incorrect)  spelling. There should also be a much longer explanation of the whole movement, with its emphasis on provocation and "fun", with protests using acts of symbolic violence, such as throwing custard pies at the police and politicians. I'm surprised we don't have an article on Fritz Teufel a prominent figure in the German student movement.--Boson (talk) 23:29, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would rather rely on the Wortschatz-Portal Leipzig than on the Duden. Leipzig lists Spaßguerilla, but only spelled thus: it seems to be the most common spelling. --Konstock (talk) 00:12, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, the word has been "re-adopted" and that's why most books which mention the concept spell it Spaßguerilla. user:Everyme 07:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Special case: proper noun from student protest movement of 1968 etc.

message: Noting that (as per the article, the person who coined the term spelled it Spassguerilla, I believe the article should be titled that way on that basis alone. Spaßguerilla can redirect. ETA: I have no objection to the ß character on a language basis. Wikipedia has hundreds of cases of foreign characters being used in, for example, foreign names or words (as noted above). --Clubjuggle T/C 16:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Is the word used much in English publications?  WP:UE more or less directs us to follow that usage.  If most English users retain the eszett then we should keep it.  Webpage titles and other places with technical restrictions are less convincing than actual prose.  If it's not really used in English then we should retain the common German spelling and the current title.  I can't see any of the English sources as good ol' fashioned webpages, so can people who have access to the sources determine which is used in English publications?  SDY (talk) 19:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: I think the article, as it stood, was more about the word than the topic. To address concerns raised on the article page (template messages), I have largely rewritten the article and added scholarly references. Some information on more recent uses of the term may have got lost in the process.--Boson (talk) 19:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite 

message: Dear Annyong: I didn't mean to be insulting. I apologize. It is just difficult to understand why anybody would agree that this non-Roman character belongs in an English-language encyclopedia. Anyway, thanks for looking in, even though we don't agree. Your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 23:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's yet more uncalled for insults and assumption of bad faith — opposite the option of assuming that they are a little more informed than someone who calls ß "an incomprehensible squiggle". user:Everyme 05:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

text: Stop putting in those horizontal rules. It makes it rather difficult to read. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 06:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

text: Well, the Chicago Manual of Style uses the ß in its examples. Although the manual states that it "is acceptable to set ß as ss" (13th ed., ch. 9.42), it doesn't recommend such a replacement. Greetings, -- kh80 (talk) 09:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is for Annyong