Wikipedia talk:Gender-neutral language

message: I'm proposing this for a simple reason: it's discriminatory towards anyone who falls outside this social construct that we call the gender binary. I'm strongly opposed to this being still acceptable and/or commonly used.
As such, should "he or she" be no longer considered gender-neutral? I'm trying to re-establish a consensus concerning this. This is especially applicable outside of article-space (e.g. userboxes, user talk page templates, etc.). The same would apply to other terms that reinforce the gender binary (he/she, s/he), outside of quotes. Templates such as  provide a stand-in owing to how they is and other similar grammar errors is a primary concern when it comes to deprecating these discriminatory terms. This would be unapplicable to quotes, of course; no need for [sic]. Casspedia (talk)  14:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deprecate ''he or she''? 

message: I'm not an active Wikipedia editor, but I wanted to pipe in how surprised I am to see this section of the article: 
Do not use gender-neutral speech when it gives undue emphasis to tiny minorities. If writing about nuns, it is appropriate to use feminine language, even though there may be a nun who is also transgender. Similarly, when writing about male pregnancy, it is appropriate to use masculine language, even though most pregnancies occur in females. Use the language that is most suitable for that specific context.
If the language is more accurate, shouldn't it be used instead of inaccurate language? If the reader may be confused, there can be further explanation or a link to another article on the topic.  
I was surprised because this guideline is in direct opposition to most other guidelines I see - for example, the switch to the term "chestfeeding" being preferred to "breastfeeding" because (as this essay mentions) non-women can be pregnant and/or produce milk.
I could be wrong but I am not used to "stop including minorities" being a standard to follow. There may be some instances when gender is appropriate but this situation sounds more similar to a group of colleagues, mostly women and one man, whose boss exclusively refers to them as "ladies." The man may get annoyed quickly.
Donteatacowman (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: "Chestfeeding" is not preferred to breastfeeding, on Wikipedia or in the vast majority of reliable sources. In fact, men also have breasts, they just aren't enlarged and lack mammary glands. We do not use neologisms that have not become widely accepted; see WP:NOTADVOCACY. More generally, people recognize that everything has exceptions. At Human body, for example, we state that "The human body has four limbs (two arms and two legs)", even though some people had birth defects or are amputees. It would be undue emphasis to the point of being severely misleading to state "The human body may have zero, one, or two arms, and zero, one, or two legs". We use the terminology found in the reliable sources. Crossroads -talk- 05:20, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, some people are born with extra limbs, via parasitic twinning. GoodDay (talk) 19:17, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gender-neutral terms versus minorities