Talk:Clan Gregor

message: Hello. My name is Raechel Bundy, and even though my last name is Bundy, But I have blood of an Macgregor in my vains.( Mother side.) It gives me pride to know that I'm part of the clan. And a clan is a group of family.
And there is a actor with the last name MacGregor like my clan. But he is not blood related. It confuses me that we have the same name and not be related. And its a clan a BLOOD relating family. I whear the MacGregor crest around my neck, that I haved ever since i could remeberd. And I have never taken it off, since it was given to me by my grand mother.(She's married to a Mac.)If anyone knows why he has the same name. Email me at S'R_5_MacGregor@yahoo.com
:Hi Raechel. It would probably help to consider your Clan as more of an extended family, rather than your blood relatives. Many clans got quite large, and not everyone knew eachother. My name is Sime, which means "son of Simon." I'm descended from Scots of the Clan Fraser, on my Grandmother's side, much like you are from MacGregors. I've recently met up with many other Frasers who live in my area, and they really do treat eachother like family. However, this is widely not the case in America today. 
::I've never received anything other than a warm welcome from my fellow MacGregors here in America!  SMaj
:While the actor of whom you speak may very well be a descended from the same clan as you, not all clans have held strong through the ages. He might not care about his clan ties. Canaen 07:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan ties and bloodlines 

message: Both names are the same clan. Perhaps link Clan McGregor to this article?
The Race is my Royal - The Royal is my Race (Underneath Crest, Lion). Which one is correct?  Thanks 88.107.81.13 16:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac and Mc 

message: My name is Ian MacGregor and I edited the Clan MacGregor article to add information about our clan tartans. This information is publicly available and was written by Sir Malcolm MacGregor, Chief of Clan Gregor. Ardchoille42 05:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan MacGregor tartan corrections 

message: Greetings my fellow MacGregors!  I was wondering if it might be more accurate to title the page Clan Gregor as our society is named.  Clan MacGregor is redundant, isn't it?
SMaj
:I'm very concerned with what appeared to be a unilateral move of this page. There was no discussion here other than this one unsigned question. While I understand the concept of the question, I have always seen and heard "Clan MacGregor" or  "the MacGregor clan". Not only that, I feel that MacGregor has more popular recognition than simply "Gregor", and all references to MacGregor appeared to have been removed. I'm all for Being Bold, but this seems a bit extreme (but totally Good Faith - not alleging otherwise). Can we have some discussion on this? I'm not a definitive expert by any means, but this absolutely should have been discussed at length before being done. VigilancePrime 05:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the article to Clan Gregor because officially the clan is known as Clan Gregor. Simple as that. The clan societies in the external links are also named Clan Gregor. The chief is Sir Malcolm Gregor Charles Mac Gregor of Mac Gregor, 7th BT, of Lanrick and Balquhidder, 24th Chief of Clan Gregor. And as to the move being premature, that question was raised by someone on July 31. Sorry to have confused you, check out the links to the societies.--Celtus 05:11, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Makes sense; as I said, "concerned," not upset or anything. I think this is fine for explaining it; I was looking for this prior. I think that the opening sentence could include a parenthetical such as "(sometimes referred to as Clan MacGregor)" or similar. Later there's a line "The MacGregors..." and it could be confusing to readers if the Gregor-MacGregor synonymity isn't prior explained. I'm just a simple person and think that would help us simple people understand, ya know? I appreciate your answering so quickly (and clearly!), thanks. :-) VigilancePrime 05:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have made a post here on the talk page with the reason why i thought the article should be moved. I wasn't thinking, sorry. I think you're right about making the article clearer, adding (sometimes referred to as Clan MacGregor) or something similar would help, i'll leave it to you, and anything else that'll make the article stronger. Cheers.--Celtus 05:50, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  No problem at all, Celtus! I totally understand and myself have been accused (rightly, I might add, sometimes) of Being Bold without letting anyone know and then getting questioned on it. In the end, we all can have a good laugh about it and be happy and satisfied that the article is, in the end, better than it was beforehand, right? 'S Rioghal Mo Dhream! VigilancePrime 06:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan Gregor vs Clan MacGregor 

message: Hello my name is Douglas Stevenson Szyman/Hughes and I have a request of you all. I am looking for the full garb for St. Pats day so I can march with the rest of my family of various descents in St. Paul, MN. does anyone have any ideas as of where I can get the most fit gear for this? Email me please @ Intelligence385@yahoo.com please? and thank you in advance. I may have gotten somthing terminal.... and I want this pretty much as my last outting.
Douglas Stevenson. (the rest is american brother).
1/16/08
    " Man does not live by words alone, despite the fact that sometimes he has to eat them."
 Adley Stevenson  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.172.212 (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hello

message: Hello.  an Orr and Nickel here, both sides with minor ties to the Gregor clan.  
Anyways, I edited the Septs section. Corrected some really bad usage of the columns tag that caused the rest of the article to be unreadable. Also moved extraneous reference tags to the header of each sept sup-section.  
What I noticed is that there seems to be an extra sub-section.  The first subsection seems to be older than the second but they appear to be the same list.  If someone wants to remove one and synch it up with the reference please do so, but please make sure the article is formatted well afterwards before saving. 
Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.185.184 (talk) 13:20, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone went way overboard on the names. The list is taking up half the article. Only the septs should be listed, not every last surname possibly connected (in any way) to the clan.--Celtus (talk) 05:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sects 

message: Under William Grant & Sons, in the listing for "Support Brands", there is a link from "Clan MacGregor Scotch" to this page…but nothing on this page about that brand of Scotch.
On a bottle of it I have, it claims to be "Distilled, aged, blended and shipped by Alexander MacGregor & Co, Glasgow, Scotland."
Was curious if this Scotch is really related to the MacGregor clan, and if so how. —Robotech_Master (talk) 09:19, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clan MacGregor Scotch? 

message: Hallo! According Rietstap Armorial and works of sir Thomas Innes of Learney sword in Macgregors Arms should be azur not silver, I think. Steifer (talk) 09:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: can you point me to the reference (web link)?. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  CoA 

message: Does anyone have any info regarding; 
MacGregors leaving Scotland after or during the Jacobite uprising, for Cornwall. Upon arriving in Cornwall they changed their surname to Smith! Then onto Liverpool by 1900. many thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.186.142 (talk) 11:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mac Gregor-Smith-Jacobite uprising 

message: Apparently the mercenary, Simon Mann has upset members of the Clan with his description of their late leader, Gregor MacGregor in his autobiography (see this article for details). Worth a mention, perhaps? Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Simon Mann 

message: Jacqueli Finley appears to be a genealogist from California. By what authority are her claims cited as a source?JF42 (talk) 07:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unpublished "research" from websites isn't supposed to be used in articles. So that means the Finley and Mackinnon material should be removed.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 09:30, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Personal websites aren't considered reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:No original research.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 05:40, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Jacqueli Finley claims" 

message: This article is largely unsourced. Any unsourced material can be removed from Wikipedia. I intend to re-write parts of the article with references.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Article re-write

message: Lets just be perfectly clear before this becomes an edit war. All of the information thew IP user has added is completely unsourced - and there is absolutley masses of it. As it is unsourced it can be removed from Wikipedia. He/she clearly does not understand about adding inline citations/sources to each fact. The article had been tagged for months as lacking sources. I therefore re-wrote it using reliable sources + leaving in any existing sourced info. Thus you are not supposed to remove unsourced information which I have not done but the IP user has removed all of my well sourced info. The IP user has just come along and added a mass of unsourced information which can be removed. If this turns into an edit war I will contact an admin.QuintusPetillius (talk) 07:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rules of Wikipedia - sourced and unsourced information

message: If you check the article history, prior to the 28th Septmeber 2013, the article contained absolutley masses of unsourced information. The article had also been tagged since March 2013 as having a lack of sources/inline citations. There were some website sources that no longer worked but I'd say 90% of the article, which was quite large, was unsourced. Bearing in mind that unsourced information can be removed from Wikipeida, I re-wrote much of the article with complete inline/citations. However any existing well sourced information I left alone and did not remove. The article was brought up to a good stnadard with all the information sourced. Since then another IP user, (User talk:98.148.29.143) has come along and reverted the entire article back to its unsourced state - removing all the sourced information - without discussion. Wikipedia rules state that you should discuss before removing sourced information. I do not want to get into an edit war with IP user but at the same time I believe I have edited in accordance with the rules of Wikipedia, as explained, and that the IP user has not.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:02, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible incoming edit war

message: The work of William Forbes Skene such as Celtic Scotland, a History of Ancient Alban, is by no means authoritative. He was 1 19th century historian, the like of which have been found to be unreliable regarding Scottish clan history. And most of which have now been surpassed by modern historians and more up to date information. The Collins Scottish Clan Encyclopedia (1994) clearly states that there is no evidence to support the theory that the MacGregors were descended from Kenneth MacAlpine - which is the history given by Skene. Skene citing a medieval manuscript is not contemporary/documentary evidence.QuintusPetillius (talk) 12:36, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: William Forbes Skene

message: The 1989 doctoral thesis by Martin D.W. MacGregor corrects some misinformation on the lineage of the founders of Clan MacGregor. Very well researched. https://www.era.lib.ed.ac.uk/bitstream/1842/6887/1/329829.pdf
Readers might also be interested in genetic test results showing MacGregor of Glencarnaig (Chief Sir Malcolm MacGregor of MacGregor) as a terminal branch in the Scottish L1335/S530 genetic tree. L1335 is the SNP designation used FamilyTreeDNA, while S530 is the designation used by ScotlandsDNA. In March 2013 Scotlands DNA stated that S530 was Pictish, that is, native Scots. Sir Malcolm MacGregor is designated with the ID 2124 in the MacGregor YDNA Project at FTDNA according to Richard MacGregor, administrator of the project. Sir Malcolm's defining SNPs, which are not presently listed in at the project but which does indicate his broader SNP L1335, are S696 and S697 according to the S530/L1335 descendants tree released about one month ago by Dr. Jim Wilson of ScotlandsDNA. According to Richard MacGregor, Sir Malcolm MacGregor has allowed his test results to be made public.
The information above regarding genetic results has only recently been released to those in the R1b-L21 Project, which includes those in the subset having the L1335/S530 marker.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.121.18 (talk) 15:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to make changes to the article then you must quote published secondary sources only. The references must also be properly formatted (bare website URL's will not do). Also be aware that orignal research (i.e stating something that is not directly supported by the source being quoted) is not allowed. Primary sources are not allowed either. If you can find any published secondary sources to quote that actually reflect what you saying in the article then you should discuss them here before making changes in the article. In regards to the PDF you have linked above - a study by a University student for their academic qualification is by no means a reliable, authentic published source.QuintusPetillius (talk) 15:40, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

text: Further, what I am basically saying is that in the PDF it says Presented for the degree of P.h.D. That does not necessarily mean the degree was achieved, although I dare say it was. Basically using what is in effect someone's school project I don't think is a published reliable source.QuintusPetillius (talk) 12:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: MacGregor is a known scholar with many publications. Google him. He's the kind of guy we should be citing. If you search for that particular thesis on Google Books you'll find it cited in recent scholarship. Editors should be strongly encouraged to hunt down scholarly sources like his. PhD theses are okay to cite - especially ones cited in recent academic publications (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP).--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 01:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unrecognized source of information on founding lineage of Clan MacGregor 

message: The Scottish Clan & Family Encyclopedia which is a reliable source states that there is no evidence to support the tradition that any clan, including Gregor, is descended from the so called Siol Alpin.QuintusPetillius (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Siol Alpin

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Hi, are we Gregg's, from TN in the US, descendants of the Scottish MacGregor's? I'd like to trace where I've come from but I don't have family to ask. My grandparents are passed since I was a kid and my dad's family doesn't talk about our history or family even when asked. I'm not really sure where to start and would like somewhere to begin my search before eventually doing something like Ancestry DNA. Thanks much. 2600:1004:A100:95B1:F873:CC04:21BE:BB33 (talk) 16:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gregg's In East Tennessee, USA