Talk:Neil Young/Archive 1

message: I started a new entry, even found a recent photo, but it still needs much more contribution. Please help me on this one - I think this guy deserves it. Fenrir2000 20:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request help in creating a page for [[Frank "Poncho" Sampedro]]

message: Does Rassy Young really merit a link? I'm not sure I've ever heard of anything notable she did besides bear and raise Neil. NO small accomplishment, but not encyclopedic in her own right. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:51, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
:She was a television personality for years. There's some stuff in Shakey about what she did. I think she's worth her own page. --Bluejay Young 22:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Also along the same lines, why isn't his sister Astrid mentioned at all? He tours with her sometimes, and vice-versa. She's also been touring in the US, Canada, and Europe for decades, and I feel she should at least be mentioned, perhaps even given her own stub page. Spazure 05:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His mom 

message: I call peoples attention to this edit, summarized simply as "cleanup, categories", which involved a major deletion of external links. I'm not passing judgment either way on the substance of the edit, but since the summary borders on misleading, and the edit might be overlooked by someone who cares, I'm making a note here. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:05, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major deletion of external links 

message: [moved this empty header to bottom -- Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: need some note of Neil's father's death

message: The lead states: "Young is recognizable for his high-pitched, nasal voice and for his deeply personal lyrics."  I'm not sure if this entirely accurate.  Deeply personal lyrics, yes, nasal voice, possibly, but high-pitched?  I've never considered Young "high-pitched". --Viriditas
:Maybe this is what John Lennon referred to in his famous Rolling Stone-Jann Wenner interview when he said that he like Neil Young and that "you can pick him out a mile away."—BubbleDine 16:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ever listen to his early work? "Broken Arrow", or "Old Man", or "Looking for a Love that's Right for Me" for three examples? But we might want to modify it, because his voice has dropped somewhat over the years. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I'd add After the Gold Rush to that. It is true that when people think "Neil Young", they usually think of his very high range. But as Jmabel said, he hasn't always sounded that way. That high voice is a stylistic artifact. Very early Elektra demo recordings have a low, gritty quality and he's made other recordings in a startling baritone. He could no longer get into the very high clear "boys' choir" register after throat surgery (probably to remove nodes), but he could still be classified as a lyric tenor. Maybe it should be changed to that. --Bluejay Young 22:53, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  High-pitched voice? 

message: What is the source for the statement that Danny Whitten died of "an overdose of valium and alcohol"? I thought there was some question about this, and that a heroin overdose was also a possibility. Certainly needs a citation. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Danny Whitten's death: citation needed 

message: I'm intriqued by Youngs telegram to Stills signed "Eat A Peach"...Eat a Peach is the name of an Allman Brothers album. Altho it was Lynard Skynard (another Southern Band)that took Neil to task ("I hope Neil Young will remember...Southern Man don't need you around anyhow") over his childish/political (but great) song "Southern Man"...could there have been a connection in his mind to the two Southern Bands or, confusion...??..."Eat a Peach" is such a unique phrase.
24.98.195.37 14:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, you are of course aware that Stephen Stills is from Georgia, which is famous for peaches and peach trees. Ty Cobb was from there, and was satirically called the Georgia Peach for his unpleasant personality. Neil reports elsewhere that he was impelled to leave the tour by Stephen's repeatedly and abusively harrassing him on his car phone. My guess is that "eat a peach" was a spontaneous remark of Neil's having nothing to do with the Allmans or Skynyrd and more to do with Stephen being an ass. --Bluejay Young 14:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Eat a Peach

message: I have done an extensive re-edit of the first half of the article. My prime objective was to improve readability, and I have keep the format as close to the original article as possible. Based on discussions here, I have tried to make the tone of the article a bit more objective and to keep it focused on Neil. (For example, I've excised the explanation of how Buffalo Springfield got its name. That has nothing to do with Neil per se and it's already in the Buffalo Springfield article).
There are still some quotations and other things that could use references.
Does anyone know where Neil's "ditch" comment came from originally.
:On the back of the Harvest CD there's the quote about Heart of Gold, "this song put me in the middle of the road; travelling there soon became a bore so I headed for the ditch," and it says he said that to a reporter from New Musical Express. 63.249.109.224 01:29, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think things like that do belong in the article because they go straight into his work. Prairie Wind is all about that. It's just exemplary of his very personal style and approach. --Bluejay Young 18:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Major edit for readability

message: :With regard to a general copyedit,which I am planning to do for the last half of the article as soon as possible, I would just like to point out two things.
::1. The Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29 actually discourages wikifiying individual months and years unless they are specifically relevant to the article content. As far as this article is concerned, I think that wikifying the years given in parenthesis with the first instance of an album or CD title is relevant, but otherwise I plan to copyedit out surperfluous links.
::2. There is no sense in wikifying something that doesn't have an article yet, so those dead links will be excised, too.
:Working out format and links is important, but what this article really needs at the moment is for us to improve it's content.
:Spventi 10:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured Music Project evaluation 

message: The synopsis needs to be rewritten to be less biased "the most respected and influential musicians of his generation"
:Personally, I don't understand the mentality of someone who makes a comment like this, let alone leaves it unsigned. In the same amount of time you spent whining about the synopsis, you could have revised it. Spventi 09:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synopsis 

message: I'm thinking about delisting this as a good article because after all
the effort that different people have made to improve it, others have
slowly but surely transformed it back into a fanzine.
I see two major problems with the article at this point. The first is that it has once again become a mish-mash of American and British spelling and punctuation conventions. The other is that recently a lot of subjective comments that don't add any meaningful information have been appended.
Issue No. 1:
The Wiki Style Guide states very clearly that we are free to use either British or American conventions for new articles but that we should make an effort not to mix the two when editing existing ones.
Does anyone have a strong opinion one way or the other? Should we unify the article to British or American conventions?
Issue No. 2:
Personally, I would like to aggressively edit out the POV comments that have been appended, but I don't care to get into any editing wars, especially if I'm the only one who cares. Does anyone else feel that this article is worth fighting for? 
It would be nice to see some discussion and increased awareness of these issues.
Spventi 00:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this still a "Good Article"? Is it worth fighting over? 

message: A lot has been written about Neil Young supposedly "supporting" Reagan.  I found a few quotes about this and basically it sounds more like Neil Young did not feel total contempt for Reagan.  I have at least one friend that was under the impression Neil might have vocally supported Reagan in the 1980 election.
I challenge anyone to find hard evidence of this.  You can find many articles CLAIMING Young was some kind of active or vocal supporter of Reagan's.  I think the truth is way more convoluted.
Here are a few articles with direct quotes from Neil, and it hardly sounds like he ever considered speaking at Reagan rallies:
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/ptma/bostonglobe90.htm:
"The neo-Reaganite tag affixed to him during the mid-'80s, Young insists -- quite vehemently -- was taken out of context, blown out of proportion. The Reagan-supporting era," sighs Young. "I don't think there is one president that's come down the line that hasn't done something good somewhere." Young says a "sleazeball journalist" nailed Reagan and then forced Young to his defense. 
"Some people put down all presidents no matter what," says Young, "like once you get to be president you're a . . . idiot. So if you say anything good about any of them, they think you're supporting everything they do." 
here's another good link with fuller context:
http://www.thrasherswheat.org/ptma/reagan.htm
Abraham step 18:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hmm. I seem to remember him releasing Hawks & Doves on Reagan's inauguration day... - Jmabel | Talk 06:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And I hadn't even read down to the next section when I made that remark. - Jmabel | Talk 06:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I never heard the remarks you provide. What I saw on television was Neil speaking at a press conference, but instead of hearing what he said, an announcer talked over him and said he had "come out for Reagan". I couldn't believe anyone as intelligent and as in tune with Native issues as Neil (while despite his looks he says he's not Indian, he'd recently been made an honorary member of the Cree nation, among other things) would do a stupid thing like come out for Reagan. Still, smart people do stupid things -- like me who should have known better than to believe what I saw on television. --Bluejay Young 09:55, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In the Q Classic Vol 1 Issue 4 "Neil Young-the amazing journey" the article "Communication Breakdown" which covers the 80s has some stuff on this and what it percieves as example of Youngs then reactionary tendancies.  About the 84 tour on pg 78 it has the quotes "It was wrong to have let the armed forces deteriorate", "Im tired of listening to people say that America is bad everywhere, that we're a bunch of agressive animals and don't have any cool" and then, to quote the article, "his pro-Reagan speech at his New Orleans show was up there with Bowies Nazi salute. And his "we were just trying to help" spin in Vietnam ... was the final nail in the coffin".  Later in has the choice gem about Youngs participation in Live Aid "Although he was accussed of singing flat, no-one said a word about the incongruity of Young openly backing Reagan and his war machine while weeping for a Third World country ravaged by famine and conflict".  It than accuses Dylan of similar reaction for suggesting at Live Aid it might be a good idea to help American farmers.  Not the most balanced angle on the topic, IMO, the article was written by Sylvie Simmons, if that means anything to anybody.   --KaptKos 11:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Similar stuff in this review of Living with war  but with added, alleged, homophobia.  --KaptKos 10:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neil's "Support" For Reagan - Urban Legend? 

message: he has vandalised this page multiple times today. is there not a 3 revert rule? keep an eye out on him. Chinamanjoe 00:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: someone might want to check out what i've been adding and the fact that Chinamanjoe has been rep[eadetly deleting all this information today Yofoxyman 00:34, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Yofoxyman

message: I have just revised all the footnotes to conform to the Wiki footnote template. The nonconformance of the older footnotes was partially my fault, but please use the template for future additions.
See Wikipedia:Footnotes for details on the correct format.
Spventi 01:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Footnotes

message: In the Breakthrough as a Solo Artist section, I have quoted Young as saying that "The Needle and the Damage Done" is a lament for "all the great art that never got out because of heroin." That needs a citation, of course, and I have finally been able to make a passably audible wav file of the in-concert intro where he make the comment. 
Unfortunately, I don't really know how to convert wav to ogg or how to upload the file to Wiki so that it can be properly linked to, and would really appreciate some help. Please leave me a message on my Talk page if you are able to help out. Thanks.
Spventi 09:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for help in converting and uploading sound file

message: who chose this picture? he looks like a zombie
:It's from Weld. I didn't choose it, but I like it because to me it makes him look unique, intense, and like he's from another world. He looks best when he is photographed in action. --Bluejay Young 09:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new pic 

message: I suspect this line is leftover vandalism.  Any idea what the original entry might have been?  I don't feel like searching the history.  The opening section could use a better description.  --Geneb1955Talk/CVU 02:33, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard Neil do actual throat singing in my life. Maybe the harmonic overtones of same caused a listener to think that was what he was doing in his higher register. --Bluejay Young 09:30, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Or perhaps some fundamentalist Texan was trying to pejoratively insinuate homosexuality for his own self-gratification. Black-Velvet 09:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deep Throat singing? 

message: I can't seem to find any references to this band or the song. Specifcally I wanted to check that the capitalization is correct. Any ideas where to find them? "tUrbo's tune, "I Love Kansas"" kris 18:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  tUrbo ? 

message: i uploaded the new picture today, and i think it looks a hell of a lot better than the one that was there before.  it was a publicity photo, which qualifies under the fair use policy.  i included a link to the original site.  however, i guess i didnt tag it correctly or something and now orphanbot is sending me messages saying it could be deleted if i dont fix it.  does anyone know how to do this?  the file extension is nlyng.jpeg.  my primary concern is that this issue could jeopardize the article's "good article" status.  Strawberryfire 20:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that :Image:Nlyng.jpg looks that bad.  It is certainly better than Nick Nolte's mugshot.  If anyone has seen him on TV recently, it is what he looks like.  He is a 60 year old man.  He looks better than Keith Richard, and I think he enjoys looking a little scraggly.  --rogerd 20:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Inasmuch as the Nick Nolte picture has disappeared, I'll have to take your word for it. Nolte is the only person I have ever seen who could play Neil if they made a movie about him or something. --Bluejay Young 09:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

text: That's the "70s Dirty Hippie" phase. He did a lot of his best work at that time. However, I've still got to point out that Neil looks best when photographed in action. Of recent pictures not playing, I've always liked this one, from the Norwegian Aspekte interview in 2003. --Bluejay Young 09:42, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: those are some intense chops.  nick nolte might make a good neil young....also maybe gary busey.  only the best of the best.  Strawberryfire 22:51, 29 May 2006
Don't know who put up the most recent picture of neil, but i love it.  this is the picture we need to keep.  Strawberryfire 18:54, 31 May 2006
I think it's a shame that the current picture has Neil just sort of leaning on his guitar. Get him tearing up Old Black.--Svedenhaus 08:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: picture

message: From what I understand, WP:FU guidelines say that free-use images must be used in place of fair-use ones. And a more current depiction of Neil Young would be preferred over the very dated, fair-use photo that is back at the top of the page now. The only free-use image on the page is the one from the CSNY tour in 2006. While not a great photo, it is free-use and it gets the job done.
I also wonder why the infobox is just a guitarist infobox and not a musical artist infobox. Neil Young, while being one of my favorite guitarists, is so much more than just a guitarist. He is a musical artist - a singer-songwriter, producer, multi-instrumentalist - and the musical artist infobox would capture all that so much better than the guitar infobox, which I think is something more appropriate for someone who just plays guitar and nothing else. The tone of the opening paragraph of the article, too, seems to concentrate too much on Neil Young's achievements as a guitarist. Neil Young's guitar prowess and the axes he chooses can be explounded upon further down in the article once his significance as an all-around musical artist is established. -Wisekwai 08:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture and infobox 

message: "Mr Soul," the only Young song of the three that all five members of the group perform together, is driven by a fat guitar riff that owed more than a little to the Rolling Stones' "(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction." Reference is made to the similarity in Young's later song, "Borrowed Tune."
Huh? "Borrowed Tune" is to the tune of the Stones' "Lady Jane". How is this a reference to "Mr Soul" or "Satisfaction"? Sounds like quite a stretch to me. - Jmabel | Talk 05:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Stones 

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thread_title:  GA Re-Review and In-line citations 

message: Neil Young is up for GAR, where specific criteria concerns can be found. Please help us retain this article's GA status. LuciferMorgan 09:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA review 

message: In a three to zero decision, this article has been delisted, primarily for lack of references and a trivia section which is too listy and should be moved as much as possible into the actual article. Dispute archived here: Wikipedia:Good articles/Disputes/Archive 7 Homestarmy 17:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review result

message: The section about him playing with CSN at Live Aid in 1985 is just plain wrong.  I cannot recall him actually  playing with CSN, and this article  seems to back this up. He certainly did play a solo seton the same bill - can someone please clarify?  Full Live Aid line up and set list here Jonobass 16:22, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Neil did play with CSN at Live Aid.  I have the VH1 Legends special about CSNY, and it shows CSN on stage with Neil singing "Find The Cost of Freedom."  Crosby also states that it wasn't one of their better performances as both he and Stills were "out of it."  It is also detailed in the CSN biography.  KitHutch 22:33, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're absolutly right - just re-checked the cited website and it confirms this .  Sorry! Jonobass 13:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live Aid