Talk:Zine El Abidine Ben Ali

message: I have trouble with this set of edits from November 19.  Someone else should look at them and try to excise the POV from the two versions shown.  +sj  01:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV in edits 

message: See Talk:Tunisia#Significant_changes to article. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 21:46, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential bias in recent edits 

message: Who said so?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.118.128.252 (talk) 12:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net worth 5 billion? 

message: I am no fan of the Tunisian president. However, this article is riddled with NPOV violations, namely:
...though many Tunisians believe that he never completed even a high school education. – weasel wording, no references supplied for this assertion.
...the political life of the country had deadlocked in an unending presidential succession debate and political crisis, cronyism and economic stagnation. 
– no citation, even though it has been requested.
Following 'calls' from members of his own political party... 
– the use of quote marks implies that the calls were not genuine, or were managed – but no citation is supplied to back up what amounts to an insinuation.
There has recently been a rumor that shortly after his reelection this dictator will give up his throne to his son-in-law Sakher El-Materi (married to Nesrine, his eldest daughter by Leila). El Materi's father was jailed by Bourguiba for crimes committed against the country, such as stealing government assets, and selling land he did not own. El Materi is a business man, but has no political career nor much of an education. 
– this entire paragraph casts serious aspersions on Sakher El-Materi, but contains no citations to back up these claims. Instead, it uses the weasel wording about rumours. Furthermore, the words "dictator" and "throne" are POV violations.
I have removed the above text as unsubstantiated and an abuse of the NPOV policy. The text should be reinserted only if ciations can be supplied, and weasel wording removed. In the last paragraph mentioned above, I can’t see how the emotive words “dictator” and “throne” can be kept in their current contexts and pass NPOV.--Iacobus (talk) 02:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I brought this up about a year ago: we simply don't seem to have enough manpower to keep the various Tunisia-related articles from backsliding this way. Any help in maintaining them would be very much appreciated. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 02:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV violations 

message: 1) Bourgiba's deposition was "popular" and based on the Tunisian Constitution and 2) "Many Tunisians are disillusioned..."  Are there sources that can back these statements up?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foreignshore (talk • contribs) 20:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations needed 

message: What is his religion?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.23.89.55 (talk) 15:59, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion 

message: Just to say, The Economist is more centrist than conservative.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.178.253 (talk) 05:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economist 

message: A pair of articles about the involvement of Italian secret services: , --Dans (talk) 18:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  On the ''constitutional golpe'' of 1987 

message: Think it's high time this page is protected Seektrue (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 01:02, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page protection 

message: This page is no longer protected.  It should be reprotected;  I don't know how to do that or even if I have the official permission to do that.  For example, the second paragraph begins, "On 14 January 2011, following a month of violent protests against his rule, he was forced to flee ... ." I am deleting the word "violent", because it is misleading and inappropriate in the context:  The usual meaning of the term "violent protest" is that the protesters were violent.  In this case, it was primarily security forces, according to virtually all the sources I've seen including the link provided for documentation there.  DavidMCEddy (talk) 01:32, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  undone;  should be redone 

message: under the subheading 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zine_El_Abidine_Ben_Ali#Family
an editor has mentioned ... 
"Leila Trabelsi reportedly took 1.5 tonnes of gold from the central bank when she and her family fled to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia"[52]
Over the past weekend , Mustapha Kamel Nabli, Governor of the Central Bank of Tunisia 
was interviewed by France24.com (unfortunately , this page contains a video of the 
interview , not text -  
http://www.france24.com/en/20110205-mustapha-kamel-nabli-davos-governor-central-bank-of-tunisia-ben-ali-trabelsi
Among other things the Governor explained was where that "missing" 1.5 tonnes 
of gold was : apparently Tunisia had recorded 6.8 tonnes of gold : 5.3 tonnes 
are at the central bank in Tunis ; and the other 1.5 tonnes are in London , 
in an account belonging to the central bank ... 
The President's family may have taken other money 
from the  bank , but perhaps not this gold . 
This wiki article , as well as the one on Zine's wife Leila Trabelsi , 
might benefit from a correction . 
mmw220@yahoo.com (sorry , I lost my password)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.49.8 (talk) 06:24, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing central bank gold  

message: Deposed Tunisian President Ben Ali has been reported dead, according to this source.  Waiting for more reliable sources before edit. --Smart30 (talk) 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The source does not look very reliable... There are other sources, such as this one and this one. The France 2 report quoted in the news article says "Ben Ali est entre la vie et la mort" (Ben Ali is between life and death). I agree, we should wait for more reliabe sources before edit. The France 2 article: . Abdul Wadud D. Y. B. (Abdul Wadud) 22:45, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: This page seems to have been written by Ben Ali supporters.
Comments and changes regarding his removal first and his supposed death have been refused stubbornly.
This page looks very partial. Why you should arbitrarely say the news about his death are not reliable while the news about his survival are reliable ?
Not even a mention in the page. That s a shame.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.132.144.248 (talk) 14:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Partial page

message: In , editor 134.146.0.41 removed references to the "Jasmine Revolution" with the edit summary stating the two french article speak of the 2011 revolution and not the 1987 Coup. The 1987 Coup was never called "Jasmin Revolution"..
I will restore the text because editor 134.146.0.41 has missed these parts of the two sources:
:Temoignage Chretien http://www.webcitation.org/5xBhIUXxM: Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, qui aimait qualifier précisément son « coup d’Etat médical » de « Révolution du jasmin ».
:Le Quotidien d'Oran http://www.webcitation.org/5xBh31rJ9: Pourtant son arrivée au pouvoir après le coup d'Etat médicale contre Bourguiba était qualifiée de «révolution de Jasmin». 
i.e. the first says that Ben Ali liked to give the name "Jasmine Revolution" for his "medical coup d'etat" and the second says that Ben Ali's rise to power after the "medical coup d'etat" was called the "Jasmine Revolution". 
The number of online sources for events in Tunisia in 1987 is understandably not so big, and not many can be expected to be in English. The first source says that it was Ben Ali who liked the name, the second source does not claim how widely the name was used. So the safest thing is not to make any claim as to how widely the name was used. Apart from these direct sources, there do seem to have been many sources making similar claims. If anyone can find a better source or a conflicting source, then please add it and NPOV if necessary. 
Boud (talk) 12:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jasmine Revolution 

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message: At present we have:
"He also served as the military intelligence chief from 1964 to 1974 and later Director General of national security between December 1977 and 1980 until he was appointed as Minister of Defense.[17][18]"
However, Ministry of Defence (Tunisia) does not list Ben Ali as Minister of Defence.  Which is right? Greenshed (talk) 21:39, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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