Talk:Manslaughter

message: There are some cases of manslaughter that involve animals owned by another person attacking another. So can this page have that type?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:18D:4700:2D30:C9BF:68BA:916A:35A0 (talk) 17:45, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Animal manslaughter 

message: Mens rea is not the latin for "guilty mind". Mens means "mind", but rea comes from the root "res" which means thing. Thus, literally translated, mens rea means "mind directed towards the thing". A more succinct definition, and the one which is most commonly used is, "intention". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.17.129.137 (talk • contribs)  22:42, 4 May 2006   (UTC)
:No, reus is a distinct word from res. The Online English to Latin to English Dictionary defines reus as "defendant, accused, answerable, bound". --Trovatore 05:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mens Rea 

message: I'd like to see some more on US law in regards to Manslaughter.  The Jade Knight 20:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: US law

message: I support that suggestion.  The existing article for voluntary manslaughter needs to be heavily revised and shortened, then merged. --Miss Dark 1:02, 24 July 2006
I agree, merge the articles Manney 14:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunatly, the section in this article on volunatry manslaughter is much better than the whole article, which looks like a junior high book report.Mneumisi 19:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with "Voluntary Manslaughter" 

message: Who drops a brick off a damn bridge!? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.224.253.86 (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a case of exactly that, some years ago in the Netherlands. I'm not going to look it up but I'm quite sure it happened; somebody got killed in a car accident caused by some youngsters dropping bricks off a bridge. I also recall that they got a ridiculously small sentence: six years jail or something, which in practice probably means they're not in jail as of this day. Wouter Lievens 11:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

text: There have been several cases of it. What I'm wondering is whether someone's guilty of a crime if they throw bricks off a bridge and fail to cause any damage despite a considerable probability of doing so. Any ideas? 82.24.189.88 (talk) 20:43, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't get it...

message: Could it mention the fact that if you read it wrong it is Man's Laughter and alot of young people read it this way.
And has there been any discussion over whether the term is sexist and should be referred to as "personslaughter" instead? --Denise from the Cosby Show 04:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man's LAughter 

message: What exactly would be involuntary manslaughter that isn't exactly negligence? For example:
What if a man is on a ladder and his partner is standing beside it, and a loud noise distracts the man on the ground and as he turns around to look, he accidentally knocks the ladder over with a protruding body part while the other man is on it? Would that be able to be called negligence or would it be considered a less serious offense, as it was merely a "fatal accident"?
GaeMFreeK 01:08, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ludbob has posed a fine answer I think.  Though one might consider "simple negligence" a less culpable mental state than criminal negligence.  Criminal negligence, as Ludbob correctly states, usually requires a gross deviation from reasonable standards of care.  Simple negligence, on the other hand, requires only a deviation from the reasonable standard of care.  Simple negligence is essentially the same standard as civil negligence, and as such is only very rarely used in criminal proceedings.  The only example that I've come across is in United States v. Robertson, 37 M.J. 432 (1993).  So GaemFreeK's proposed scenario would be less than criminal negligence, but could possibly be prosecuted as simple negligence.  Though the way the scenario is constructed looks like an accident and thus would most likely never be tried in either the civil or criminal context.  Verkhovensky (talk) 02:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Less than negligence? 

message: What does the term 'complete defense' mean?  Is there also something called an incomplete defense?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.252.217 (talk) 12:25, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It means that the defendant, even though he may actually have done the illegal act, is completely acquitted of the crime and the jury return a verdict of "Not Guilty".  A legally insane defendant will still be incarcerated (in a mental institution) after the trial, of course, but he's not officially a criminal.  The alternative is usually called a "partial defence"; the defendant is still convicted (and punished), but for a less serious offence than the one he was originally charged with. 78.105.161.182 (talk) 12:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete defense? 

message: "Diminished Responsibility is another defense to murder that will negate the charge down."
This sentence bothers me.  To "negate the charge down" doesn't sound like proper English, but perhaps it's common usage in the law?
Thanks,  --Hordaland (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct legalese, or sloppy wording? 

message: This whole section seems a bit messy. I don't know about American law or any other jurisdiction but in English Law involuntary manslaughter is not just gross negligence manslaughter, but also constructive manslaughter which includes recklessness.
If this division is reflected in other jurisdictions it would be useful to split the section into 'negligence in manslaughter' and 'constructive malice in manslaughter' (which would include misdemeanor and constructive manslaughter and recklessness). At the moment these two concepts are mixed and a bit confusing.
Jonny1047 (talk) 19:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The article is definitely a mess.  We don't have criminally negligent manslaughter in California, we have only voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, second-degree murder, first-degree murder, and first-degree murder with special circumstances.  Unfortunately I am way too busy to spend the six or so hours it would take to clean up this mess. --Coolcaesar (talk) 16:26, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

text: This section is still in poor shape, but I'm hesitant to make significant changes without more knowledge of comparative manslaughter law.2601:401:503:62B0:F934:FB9B:5081:2006 (talk) 22:18, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involuntary Manslaughter Section 

message: This article appears to be one about the US laws into which the English version (which appears to be mainly repetition) has been introduced. It would tidy things up if the English references were removed (and transferred to Manslaughter in English law if missing from there). It suffers from the common problem of a matter which exists in more than one country but is not uniform across those countries being allowed to develop without necessary national qualification and seperation; renaming to e.g. Manslaughter (United States Law) with appropriate entries in the disambiguation page (to distinct English Law, US Law etc. or other comparable nation-specific articles) should untangle the current mess.
--MBRZ48 (talk) 02:46, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Rename Article and Delete English References

message: In the article it now says:
* Imperfect self-defense: Allowed only in a limited number of jurisdictions in the United States, self-defense is a complete defense to murder.
This appears to claim that there are US juridictions where lethal self-defense is illegal.  I find this hard
to believe and suspect it's just a dangling modifier: I think the intention is to say that although
self-defense is a complete defense to murder, in a limited number of jurisdictions imperfect self-defense
is a crime.  But, having no expertise on this subject, I won't actually edit it to say so. --64.231.232.111 (talk) 20:11, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure what this means is that when you prove imperfect self defense, you cannot be convicted of murder (first or second degree), but can be convicted of manslaughter.  Lethal self defense is indeed illegal, if it's disproportionate to the danger it is seeking to defend against - that disproportionality is what makes it imperfect.  I think it means what you think it does - in some jurisdictions self defense is a complete defense, disproportionate or not, and in others the disproportionate defender can still be convicted of manslaughter.   Verkhovensky (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarify self-defense 

message: I removed a long block of text referencing specific Florida law from the lead, but I just noticed there was a previous revert along these lines. I stand by the removal as correct, but I think the info could be put back into the body of the article—it's just not immediately clear how that could be done.Belovedeagle (talk) 00:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I again removed a block of text about a very specific Florida law from the lead that was not discussed in the body of the article, and moved it to the U.S. law subsection. Mathglot (talk) 23:28, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Florida law in lead 

message: I suggest the creation of a Manslaughter (United States law) article similar to Murder (United States law) by moving the existing material from this article to a new one (and adding new material in time). In regard to English law, there is already the Manslaughter in English law article, and most of what is in this article is duplicated there; and this article is also outdated since if fails to discuss the replacement of the "provocation" defense with a "loss of control" defense. A Manslaughter (Australian law) could also be interesting, especially in the light of recent legal reforms and controversies. This article should only be a general overview (including common law history) and discussing ethical issues (eg murder vs manslaughter).2A02:2F01:1059:F002:0:0:BC19:ABA0 (talk) 08:58, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to start to reorganize this article. I'm going to start by changing the order of the sections by having the general 'Voluntary manslaughter' section (with subsection 'Infanticide') first; then the section 'Involuntary manslaughter' (with subsections 'Constructive manslaughter', 'Criminally negligent manslaughter' , 'Vehicular or intoxication manslaughter' and 'Assisted suicide'); and then a section called 'United States laws' dealing with specific laws. The current subsections about English laws will be redirected to Manslaughter in English law for the reasons explained above.2A02:2F01:1059:F002:0:0:BC19:9FE4 (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. I implemented the changes.2A02:2F01:1059:F002:0:0:BC19:9FBF (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting article 

message: I would like to know if someone could be charged with involuntary manslaughter after being acquitted on charges of murder and/or voluntary:aggravated manslaughter. I know the basics of Double Jeopardy, but murder, voluntary, and involuntary manslaughter are 3 very different charges. Casey Anthony is one example. She was charged with 1st degree murder and aggravated mans. and was acquitted. Considering her explanation of her daughters death, which made up her entire defense would be grounds for involuntary manslaughter charges, could they be filed after the case ended? And what if she was originally charged with only murder 1 and acquitted. Considering her defense, could she then be charged with manslaughter, or would that fall under Double J., because it is a similar charge (filed after her acquittal) based on the same event? Or would the manslaughter charges only be acceptable if filed in tandem with the murder charges? I have looked at many websites and Wiki sites with little to no explanation.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frandsenac (talk • contribs) 07:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double Jeopardy: Voluntary/Involuntary Charges 

message: I've received a notice pursuant to WP:DABMENTION. Can we find sources for the use of slang term "man 2" for second-degree manslaughter? I've heard it at least in Law & Order. --Damian Yerrick (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: We don't seem to have an article called man 2, so I'm not sure why we would need disambiguation.  But it seems too trivial to redirect here.  Just my instant reaction. --Trovatore (talk) 04:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

text: Oh, I didn't notice that the above comment was almost a year old.  Probably not a live question.  Never mind. --Trovatore (talk) 04:52, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Man 2 

message: Manslaughter is different to murder because manslaughter is when you kill someone by accident while murder is when you kill someone on purpose. Someone who commits murder is called a murderer then what do you call someone who commits manslaughter. 2.29.250.239 (talk) 20:52, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What do you call someone who commits manslaughter