Talk:President for life

message: Henri Christophe of Haiti became King; not Emperor. He just ruled the north of the island. Jean-Jacques Dessalines was Emperor of Haiti, but Henri Christophe established a Kingdom. That's a difference!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.221.202.41 (talk) 16:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Henri Christophe 

message: no idi? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.146.198.203 (talk) 06:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Idi Amin 

message: Was never a "president", and should no be on this list. His inclusion is inaccurate. - Izzo
:Nor was he the first Roman dictator to be granted office with no term limit.  Although he ended up stepping down voluntarily,  Lucius Cornelius Sulla was granted the dictatorship indefinitely around 40 years before Caesar was.131.230.150.104 (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Julius Caesar 

message: Is there anything in particular that the article needs in the way of citations?  This has been up since Oct. 2006, so whoever posted it has seemingly abandoned it. - MSTCrow 02:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite Tag 

message: Do you think information related to other lifetime presidency's/dictatorships, etc should be merged or related to this article in some sort of group / or amalgamation? It's a short article as it is...
Example: SABDFL (Mark shuttleworth, ubuntu guy, wants to self-proclaim himself as benevolent dictator for life...) His SABDFL article was deleted b/c it was short, but maybe others feel it's related to this Life time presidency thing...
cheers,
purpleidea (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does Francisco Franco belong here? And what about António de Oliveira Salazar? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 05:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think they were ever proclaimed as such, and they weren't presidents in any case (Franco was regent and president of the government and Salazar was prime minister). —Sesel (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough, they weren't Presidents, but neither were the Leader's given as examples of the Origin. I think all Leader's who changed the Law, or formed new Offices in order to put themselves in a position of perpetual leadership (whether it be Prime minister, Dictator, Chancelor etc) should be listed in the article. Proclamation and exact wording don't really affect the concept. - Jimmi Hugh (talk) 22:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lifetime dictators/presidents, etc 

message: Pls also add Saddam Hussein.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.11.128.7 (talk) 16:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Saddam Hussein 

message: Can we consider Roman popes and dukes of Venezzia Republic in this category? They are elected for life, although the title is different.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.65.173.25 (talk) 07:57, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pope's and Venezia 

message: I am sure I remember there being a hilarious line from a Monty Python skit along the lines of the title "President for Life often being tragically prophetic". Probably not fit for an encyclopedia, but particularly sage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.247.163.112 (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monty Python Skit 

message: Yuan Shikai was emperor of china and not a president. If Yuan Shikai is on this list then so should other monarchs  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.112.18 (talk) 20:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yuan Shikai shouldn't be here 

message: * Kazakh President Becomes Leader Of The Nation at Radio Free Europe’s website.--MaGioZal (talk) 13:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  A new name to the list? 

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message: Please add Nazarbayev--Kaiyr (talk) 06:29, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: He's not one, at least by formal definition. He was re-elected this year, albeit under conditions that didn't exactly make for a free and fair election. A President-for-Life doesn't hold elections. John Firth (talk) 09:56, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nazarbayev 

message: Along the lines of my comment on FDR would it be appropriate to include in the list of examples de facto presidents for life, individuals who managed to secure reelection until their deaths?  If so what would be the criteria?  Obviously some presidents just happened to die in their first or second terms so I would not necessarily count them, but individuals who won at least three terms perhaps qualify.  Another consideration would be how much of a challenge there was in the election as some individuals just win because they are popular while others win through manipulation thus the election is a constitutional pro forma procedure.  Emperor001 (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: By that logic we'd have to include William Henry Harrison Orchastrattor (talk) 21:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: De facto

message: Should be added to list, as we have an RS to that effect. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 07:42, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uganda's Museveni 

message: I am aware that Nazarbayev was never declared President for Life during his ≈30 years in office, and that he resigned from his post of President of Kazakhstan in 2019. However, on July 12, 2018, Nazarbayev was given the title of Chairman of the Security Council for life. Normally the President is ex officio the Chairman of the Security Council, but because of this change, Nazarbayev is still the Chairman and will remain in this post until death even though he is no longer the President of Kazakhstan. Through this post he still wields significant powers, for instance the President cannot appoint ministers (with some exceptions) without his approval. Should he be added with a caveat? 69.247.177.113 (talk) 21:02, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe a bullet list of "similar cases" underneath the main list. Orchastrattor (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we'd still need sources that are making the comparison? Otherwise isn't it just us claiming that the situation is similar? Or, I guess, since we're talking about a list, we could define inclusion criteria. DonIago (talk) 13:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Nursultan Nazarbayev

message: It's just a random list without citations. Can I delete it?Stix1776 (talk) 08:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: There are citations for at least some of the information listed, and given that the individuals are bluelinked, I think it might be best to check their respective articles and see whether you can pull appropriate citations from their articles rather than jumping to deletion. Do you have any reason to believe that any of the entries are erroneous? DonIago (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Just on the top of my head, Toussaint Louverture never saw political power, and Antonio López de Santa Anna wasn't president for life. It's also pretty SYNTH to make this list if no other secondary source did so.Stix1776 (talk) 08:04, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's synthesis to include these people on a list of presidents for life if there are sources that actually describe them as such, which was the point I was trying to make in my previous comment. If there are individuals for whom there aren't supporting sources, including at their respective articles, then I would support removing those individuals. DonIago (talk) 13:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  OR: There's no sources for the list of past presidents for life 

message: Mao was president of the People's Republic of China for life, as there were no term limits for any re-election. Does he qualify into this list? Similar for Chiang too in the Republic of China. Joséthewikier (talk) 07:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have sources unambiguously establishing that there were proclaimed as such? If so, I don't see why they wouldn't qualify. DonIago (talk) 18:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai-shek?