Talk:Tatarstan

message: The town and city names in this article violate Wikipedia:Naming_conventions. The official names of the cities and towns in English can be found at the official Tatarstan http://www.tatar.ru/index.php?&node_id=791 web site. They are pretty much the same as the most commonly used Englih names. The official/most commonly used name should be used as an article title. Various spellings/former names can be listed in the specific article. It's wrong to name cities by names noone knows or uses.
Specifically this applies to: Naberezhnye Chelny (Yar Çallı used in the article), Nizhnekamsk (Tübän Kama used), Almetyevsk (Älmät), Zelenodolsk (Yäşel Üzän), Bugulma (Bögelmä). The towns should be moved to their proper names. Gene s 07:58, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Google search for Tübän Kama -nizhnekams didn't get even single article in English. I tried a random ciry, I'm sure the situation with other cities is the same. It's English wikipedia, and names most used in English should be used there, not national ones. It has nothing with Russian chauvinism. Dr Bug  (Volodymyr V. Medeiko) 14:52, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violation of [[Wikipedia:Naming_conventions]] 

message: : Please be corteous. Don't use words not understood by people who can only read English. Use English for discussion. This is an English wikipedia after all.Gene s 06:52, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  German, Estonian, French. Is Tatar ''nedoyazyk''? 

message: "In 1994-2000 Tatarstan was a de facto independent state" is an overstament of planetary, galactic, universal,  proportions. Chechnya was a de-facto independent state in 97-2000. Or Kolchak's Siberian republic. But Tatarstan! Please... Gaidash 4 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)
Is Tatarstan a State in the Russian Federation or an Independant Republic? Republic is more usually connected with independant states, rather than federated states. Nomenclature here needs to be specific. Discussion please.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.1.100.8 (talk • contribs) 
:Tatarstan is a republic within the Russian Federation.  It has exactly the same rights as other republics.  Republics of Russia possess a higher degree of sovereignty than other federal subjects (such as krais and oblasts), but they are still not considered to be independent states.  Hope this helps.—Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 18:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  State or Republic 

message: There is no official Latin alphabet in Tatar. Is it really necessary to have it in the title? Kazak 01:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tatar Latin alphabet 

message: What are the major cities of Tatarstan? --McTrixie 22:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Administrative divisions of Tatarstan.  The major ones are those directly under republic's jurisdiction.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 02:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information 

message: A treaty recognising sovereignty does not necessarily recognise independence, and in fact Tatarstan/Tataria is not independent; nor does it claim to be. Sovereignty and independence are different. For example, the Isle of Man is sovereign, but it is not independent and allows the UK to determine its foreign policy.
158-152-12-77 21:03, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please understand the difference between sovereignty and independence

message: According to this article the line:
In 1928 the Tatar Union of the Godless were liquidated in the 1928 purges.
links to an article about companies being liquidated. Now in modern American English slang liquidated is another word for murdered but shouldn't the phrase be just that, "murdered? Especially since wikipedia is linking to an article about companies violating laws, etc...?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.2.116 (talk) 16:17, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not written in "American English slang", it is written in the English language, in which the word "liquidate" has many other meanings.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liquidation ?? 

message: Some scholars think that Tatarstan has many parallels with Chechnya. In the 1990s there was a real threat, that Tatarstan might try to secede, and that this would result in a devastating war just like in Chechnya. Perhaps the most important factor in avoiding war was the prudent and wise rule by President Mintimer Shaimiev. Maybe this deserves a mention in the article? What do you think? Offliner (talk) 08:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Tatars have less in common with Chechens than it seems - maybe the religion only. Tatars have higher education level, lower fertility rate, more democratic culture, they are more tolerant in average - closer to what you call European mentality, as well as Russians.FeelSunny (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

text: You completely misunderstood the editor's point - which was stating that the people of Tatarstan have more identity with the Russian culture, and do no wish to succeed from the union.  Also, Al Quaeda-like elements are not prevalent in the same way they are in Chechnya. HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:53, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The perception of Tatar culture as more “peaceful” (due to its “identity with Russian culture”) is a colonial optics. But the comparison of Chechnya with Tatarstan is absurd. In Chechnya, on the eve of the proclamation of independence, there was a special post-deportation situation, when the property, social and political situation of the Chechens was disproportionately small in comparison with the position of ethnic Russians. There were no radical Islamist movements in Checnya at that time at all. They have arisen already during the years of war and blockade.Тангичи (talk) 08:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallels with Chechnya 

message: "Tatarstan's GDP per capita was USD 12,325 in 2004[19], with GDP in 2008 at about 930 bln rubles.[12]"
I don't think it's very useful to quote an old GDP/capita number from 2004, when we already have the GDP from 2008. Anyone who is interested can calculate the pro capita number from the 2008 GDP figure himself. Offliner (talk) 18:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and the number is especially useless when it's not even compared to the national average in 2004. Do you know where official 2008 GDP figures are or could you post them? Rosstat is acting strange so I can't check it at the moment. LokiiT (talk) 23:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  GDP per capita 

message: I think more emphasis should be put on the multi-cultural aspect of this region. It's a shining example of how Muslim and Christian communities can live side by side happily and without destroying or oppressing each other. One of the few examples of this in the entire world in fact. Here's a quote from the Council of Europe's Commissioner of Human Rights after his visit to Russia:
"10. The example of the Republic of Tatarstan is even more noteworthy. As I pointed out earlier in connection with the rights of national minorities, Tatarstan is a veritable cultural and religious melting pot, in which a spirit of cooperation and dialogue prevail, two values championed by both the President of the Republic of Tatarstan and the Grand Mufti of Kazan, who represents the majority religion in that region. Good relations are in evidence at the highest level. When I visited Kazan's main church, also known as the Old Kremlin of Kazan, I was accompanied by the Metropolitan and the Grand Mufti of the city. All the religious representatives I met emphasised their very good relations with the other faiths and the local authorities. Today Kazan stands out as one of the leading centres of Muslim culture, and the greatly influential Islamic university has done much to cement this reputation. This institution accepts students from all over Russia, and I was pleased to note the presence of a Chechen among the students introduced to me." LokiiT (talk) 21:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Multi-cultural

message: Is it relevant? There may be lots of organizations holding different positions on different laws.--MathFacts (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFE/RL correspondents are strongly opposed to this law 

message: Lets go over a few things.
1) I myself can find numerous articles that say the Muslim population of Tatarstan is 52.9%, however these are all BEFORE the 2010 census (i.e 2009, 2008, ....) And actually I think the article you all are trying to force might even have been before the latest census as well.
2) 52.9% was from the 2002 census. Hence it is not suprising that number was previously used.
3) The article says PREDOMINANTLY of the 52.9% is Muslim, meaning we don't actually know the actual Muslim population. I'm only updating from what you all are implying. Therefore it is quite safe to assume that PREDOMINANTLY of the 53.2% is Muslim. Also, if we do take the 52.9 stat, then there's two conflicting numbers since the Tatar population is listed just above the religion section.
4) It is only a difference of 0.3% so I don't think it matters that much. 68.149.133.218 (talk) 01:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Additional discussion on this topic is available here (. It seems the editors are either leaning to the original version or to the removal of the offending sentence altogether. Further comments are welcome.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 3, 2012; 13:03 (UTC)
* Nobody supported the proposed changes, and I reverted them. This part of the discussion is closed.--Ymblanter (talk) 17:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muslim population 

message: The user Soffredo edited in a line in the Modern times section, which makes the claim that Tatarstan "declared independence" in 2008 and asked for UN recognition. The source cited does not corroborate this in any way, it merely relays what a group of Tatar secessionists outside of the Tatarstan political leadership "declared", with the apparent support of Vil Mirzayanov who is an outspoken Tatarstan secessionist and Russian dissident living in the United States. Neither he nor the unofficial Tatar Mejlis in question has any political legitimacy in this regard and they do not represent the Republic of Tatarstan. 
Ergo, this assertion is factually wrong, though the article should of course note that there are secessionist movements. 
78.70.216.65 (talk) 08:04, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strange assertion in recent edit 

message: it is 0.864
--Qwdfdsdf (talk) 12:28, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  hdi 

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message: The map of Russia employed shows Crimea as part of the country, which is not recognised by the international community. Replace map with one which does not include Crimea as part of Russia. 85.155.120.128 (talk) 17:53, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Russian map 

message: Salam friends, this is about the quote from S. Wertheim used here
 "some men signal ideological devotion to the Tatar cause by refusing to accommodate to Russian-dominant public space or Russian speakers", whilst women, in promoting "the Tatar state and Tatar national culture, index their pro-Tatar ideological stances more diplomatically, and with linguistic practices situated only within the Tatar-speaking community... in keeping with normative gender roles within the Tatar republic  . .
it is from an article titled 'Gender, nationalism, and the attempted reconfiguration of sociolinguistic norms'. I believe a more general overview of language in the region might be more appropriate and informative, since this is not a section on "pro-Tatar[language] ideological stances" but rather, the languages spoken in Tatarstan. Seeing how small the section is, I will focus on it for a bit. Insight or feedback or suggestions please reach out! I am always learning. Soyembika (talk) 22:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language section