Talk:Blond

message: Can somebody add a wikilink to pigmentation for the word pigmentation in Prevalence/Europe? 72.23.45.110 (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Actualcpscm (talk) 20:43, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2022 

message: My edit was reverted, so I figured we should discuss this.  There are already 16 images in this article. There doesn't need to be that many per MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE. There is already a relevant linked wikimedia commons category linked at the end of the article if people really need to see endless pictures of people with blonde hair.  I figured that getting rid of a black and white photograph would be the least controversial to remove from the article. While you can see that his hair is light, you can't tell from the photograph itself if it was a light brown or some other lighter pigment. I don't really see the point. 
In my opinion, the most relevant images (because of their variety and illustrative purpose to the article) are: 
* :File:Lars-Unnerstall2.jpg because it shows a man with blond hair and a blond beard
* :File:Anonymous Ferdinand of Austria in Hungarian costume (detail).jpg because it shows baby blondness
* :File:Blonde girl Vanuatu.jpg as it's relevant to the text about the genetic mutation that causes blondness in Oceania
* :File:Hitler-Jugend Deutschlands Zukunft Ansichtskarte Postkarte Ludwig Hohlwein Aquarell NSDAP propaganda HJ Fahnen Postcard issued by Deutscher Jugendverlag Hitler Youth Germany's future No known copyright restrictions 3201200095.jpg because there's a whole section that's essentially devoted to Nazi propaganda.
Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:06, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree, there are not so many images that it bloats the article, and the image is relevant regardless of being black and white. The placement of it next to the image of Marilyn Monroe also sets good examples of both male and female blond "sex symbols", so overall I don't think there is a good reason to remove it. TylerBurden (talk) 23:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black and white photograph? 

message: The redirect Ice Blonde has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached.   Jay 💬 14:04, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "[[:Ice Blonde]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

message: Maybe it’s a regional or age thing, but I very, very rarely see the “blond” spelling (and even then usually from people much older than me). Maybe some places it has gendered spelling but it absolutely does not where I have lived my whole life (California). 45.49.10.103 (talk) 06:09, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  “Blonde” is also used for both genders 

message: ROME NEVER CROSSED THE RHINE. THIS ARTILCLE IMPLIES THAT. THAT IS INCORRECT BY 100 % 2600:8800:8692:4200:C1A7:821C:7FF7:9DA2 (talk) 04:54, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The article says "parts of western Germany". Parts of western Germany are west of the Rhine. AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  In this article it said Rome had control over West Germany in the 1st century.  That is totally incorrect. Rome never crossed the Rhine !! They were not able to !! 

message: This section contains outdated information. Specifically, the idea that the KITLG allele for blond hair originated in ANE (Ancient North Eurasian) and spread into Europe with WSH (western steppe herders) has been significantly challenged by more recent research papers and sequencing. This section should be updated for the following reasons: 
 
1. Alleles for blond hair have been found in several populations not harboring ANE/WSH ancestry. Individuals of the neolithic Globular Amphora culture are predicted via HIrisPlex-S panel to have blond hair, with all sequenced individuals possessing the G allele of rs12821256 coding for light colored hair, notably found on the KITLG gene (see supplementary table 4)[1]. This culture predates the arrival of ANE-bearing western steppe herders from the east; this Early European Farmer population did not carry steppe related ancestry [2]. Blond hair was again inferred in Anatolian Neolithic/Early European Farmers, notably the Linear Pottery Culture of North and Central Europe (see page 22 of supplementals) [3]. In terms of autosomal ancestry, Linear Pottery is on the same ancestral cline as Globular Amphora. Blond hair was present in the Neolithic of Anatolia (Turkey) at Barcın, Chalcolithic Southeastern Europe (Romania at Bodrogkeresztur), Chalcolithic of the Levant (Israel), and a Minoan from Lasithi [4]. Thus, blonde hair was already present in the European continent before the arrival of steppe groups. 
2. The presence of the KITLG pre-allele in a single ANE sample does not necessarily indicate its origin in the ANE population. It is true that the oldest example of KITLG  rs12821256 was found in the Afontova Gora ANE individual. However, as already stated, this mutation appears in farmer populations which did not contact ancient north eurasians or steppe pastoralists. Logically, this mutation must have originated in an ancestral population that gave descent to many West Eurasian groups, including European and West Asian neolithic farmers and Ancient North Eurasians in order for members of the Globular Amphora Culture to have the G allele. Therefore, blonde hair 
3. There are a number of alleles encoding for light hair coloring, but this section only focuses on a single allele: rs12821256. It is misleading to simplify the genotype behind light colored hair to only one mutation. The aforementioned HIrisPlex-S panel examines several high impact SNPs encoding hair color in addition to rs12821256. Even if steppe pastoralists did carry rs12821256 into Europe and elsewhere, we cannot in good faith say that blond hair as a general phenotype was brought to Europe with steppe pastoralists because without considering all genetic mutations encoding for this trait. 
4. Many of the sources provided in this section predate the papers I have cited here or reference outdated information. At the very least, new information should be included to balance out the old. Recently released papers from the past few years have analyzed thousands of new skeletal samples, notably from Isof Lazaridis and David Reich. 
I believe it is extremely relevant to include the above information in order to be objective and comprehensive. Noleb (talk) 06:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Genetics of Blond Hair" Section is Now Outdated and Lacks Relevant Information