Talk:Demographics of Eritrea

message: This user is heavily involved in pushing a TPLF POV by using multiple socks! There needs to be an investigationClownshking (talk) 23:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The above comment is a personal attack to which I have responded here. This is not the page to continue this discussion. Boud (talk) 03:29, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  User Boud  is using other Accounts to push his TPLF agenda 

message: The UN DESA Population Division 2019 Revision provides these population times series for Eritrea and elsewhere in this file, calculated by the demographers who work there. The last two decades of data for Eritrea are the following, for the total population in thousands:
2000    2292.413
2001    2374.721
2002    2481.059
2003    2600.972
2004    2719.809
2005    2826.653
2006    2918.209
2007    2996.54
2008    3062.782
2009    3119.92
2010    3170.437
2011    3213.969
2012    3250.104
2013    3281.453
2014    3311.444
2015    3342.818
2016    3376.558
2017    3412.894
2018    3452.797
2019    3497.117
2020    3546.427
According to the Ministry of National Development (Eritrea), as quoted by the the Eritrean National Statistics Office (NSO), the 2010 population estimate for Eritrea is given in this NSO pdf file, pdf page 31, numbered page 3. This official source from Eritrea states,  This is consistent with the UN DESA 2019 Revision, since 3170.437 rounds to 3200. This document from 2010 presents the results of the Population and Health Survey (EPHS2010) that is one of the documents used for Eritrea in the UN DESA 2019 Revision.
For the explanation of how Eritrea seemed to "lose 1.8 million people" in the UN DESA 2019 Revision, please go to:
* https://population.un.org/wpp/Download/Standard/Population/ ;
* at the words "release note" in "On 28 August 2019 a minor technical correction ... see release note for further details" you will see this release-note-v1 pdf file with release notes for the 2019 Revision;
* on page 2 there is the Eritrea update explanation:  I put 2017 revision in bold because this means "the data and time series that were published by UN DESA in 2017". The 2019 revision is a new set of data, for all years from 1950 to 2020.
So now we have an official UN DESA 2019 Revision explanation for why many websites still have the higher estimates: they are quite likely still based on the UN DESA 2017 Revision and have not bothered to update to the latest data yet. Boud (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: You haven’t gained consensus for your proposal. This is trying impose your views on this article. It has been addressed to you above. Leechjoel9 (talk) 20:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

text: See below for the issue of consensus. Boud (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  UN DESA: why Eritrea seemed to drop in population by 1.8 million 

message: UN DESA Pop Div WPP estimates/medium variant projections versus other sources
Source                                    	In-depth demographic research report available	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population	Year in which Eritrea has this population			2010	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020	2021
UN DESA 2010                              	                                              	5 253.676                           	6 077                                    	6 236                                    	6 391                                    	6 544                                    	6 696                                    	6 848                                    	7 001                                    			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
COMESA 2018 2019                          	                                              	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	6 640                                    	6 720                                    	                                         	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
UN DESA 2012                              	                                              	5 741.159                                	6 738                                    	6 937                                    	7 135                                    	7 331                                    	7 529                                    	7 727                                    	7 927                                    			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
UN DESA 2015                              	                                              	4 689.664                                	5 228                                    	5 352                                    	5 482                                    	5 617                                    	5 754                                    	5 892                                    	6 029                                    			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
ADB 2017                                  	                                              	                                         	                                         	                                         	5 500                                    	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
Eritrean Insurance manager 2020           	                                              	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	5 800                                    	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
CIA 2021                                  	                                              	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	6 147.398                           			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
UN DESA 2017                              	                                              	4 390.84                                 	4 847                                    	4 955                                    	5 069                                    	5 188                                    	5 310                                    	5 432                                    	5 555                                    			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
WHO 2016                                  	                                              	                                         	                                         	4 955                                    	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
UN DESA 2019                              	                                              	3 170.437                           	3 342.818                           	3 376.558                           	3 412.894                           	3 452.797                           	3 497.117                           	3 546.427                           	3 601                                    			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
Eritrean Population and Health Survey 2010	                                              	3 200                                    	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
                                          	                                              	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         	                                         			    	    	    	    	    	    	    	
To clarify the relation between the sources, here's a table. Feel free to correct errors in the above table (add a signature below to help show that you modified it). 
It looks like COMESA is using very old (2010) projections; ADB, the insurance manager ("Government source 2020") and CIA are using fairly old (2015) projections; WHO is using a moderately old (2017) projection exactly; the 2019 projection matches the Eritrean Population and Health Survey 2010 exactly; and nobody is using the highest UN DESA projection (7.9 million for 2021 from the 2012 Revision). Boud (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is making original research per WP:NOR. You left out for instance CIA sources that have estimate data for Eritrea dating back many years. I saw other errors as well, as mentioned before we can’t assume what methodologies that has/hasn’t been used or conclude that they are based on old estimate or on old UN DESA projections. All the organisations currently supports estimates in the 6M and so does the cited sources from the MOI of Eritrea.  Leechjoel9 (talk) 22:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The table does not "conclude" on the relations between the sources; the aim is to make it easier for an uninvolved person looking through this RfC to see the relations between the sources, and whether or not some or all should be excluded from the article, under Option 0, Option 1, or Option 2. Since you mention speculation, I do tend to think that speculating that the CIA does its own demographic modelling is a reasonable speculation; however, since the sources and method are secret, this is not even OR, it's pure speculation. In contrast, we know that UN DESA and the Eritrean Population and Health Survey of 2010 have reported on their sources and methods. Boud (talk) 22:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Comparison of sources

message: Do we have any sources apart from   WPP2019_MIGR_F02_NET_NUMBER_OF_MIGRANTS.xlsx (UN DESA Revision 2019) for the historical migration data for Eritrea? Here's the graph from the UN DESA Revision 2019 data. 
This was already in the article, since there is no reason to censor migration information from Demographics of Eritrea, but . Boud (talk) 23:18, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Migration data

message: Eritrea population is roughly 6 million as the official reliable sources state. 3.5 million is an outdated incorrectly calculated number.Clownshking (talk) 18:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: On the contrary: 6 million is the old extrapolation for 2021, while 3.55 million is the most recent estimate for 2020. Please look at the graph in Option 2b of the RfC. See graph for an explanation of what a plot or graph is in this context. Boud (talk) 12:01, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This original research which is against WP rules. Clownshking (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a look at the COVID-19 pandemic articles. You will see many graphs. Boud (talk) 20:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  6 million population is the Consensus in 2021 

message: Any objections to removing the NPOV tag? While there is still quite a bit of tidying that could (should) be done, I think the issue now is of quality problems, not NPOV. Boud (talk) 22:41, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I’m ok with removing the tag. The changes on this article is not an issue. I think  made good changes to this article and tried to present it as fairly as possible with a minor issue. Everybody has agreed that the various sources estimates between 3,5- 6,7M. However majority source do point to estimates in the 5-6 M. The estimates of 3,5M UN DESA should not weight as much as the other sources combined (in terms of presenting it) so it should be presented as a minority source. It also makes more correct, Eritrea do not have two populations (3,5) or (5-6M), one of the estimated is more accurate. For that reason I say we should mention both estimates but present the majority estimates (~6M I.e CIA) as main (primary) estimate in the info box and lead in the Eritrea article and in the lead In this article. Leechjoel9 (talk) 15:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The RfC did not going into judging which sources are the more serious demographic sources. I'm not going to repeat the detailed arguments already presented in the RfC (and in other sections above). Boud (talk) 16:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This particular section is about removing the NPOV tag on this article, given that the recent edits are consistent with the result of the RfC and Wikipedia policy on NPOV and WP:CENSOR. I object to the proposal to favour the majority-of-a-certain-way-of-listing-sources argument in this article; I propose that you open a new section here if you wish to re-introduce that despite the huge effort that went into explaining things earlier; I again recommend that you read demography to understand something about where demographic information comes from. I will remove the NPOV tag since currently there are no objections. Boud (talk) 16:35, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remove NPOV tag? 

message: I swapped out the infobox (which was for an ethnic group, not a country), for the country demographic infobox.  A lot of fields are still to be populated, although most of the data is in the article. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 11:16, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Eritrean Tigrinya are not 25% Muslim. 
Eritrean Tigrinyas to 90% Christian. The highlands of Eritrea where the Tigrinya tribe are a majority a predominantly Christian.
Tigrinya people have been Christians for almost 1700-1800 years and survived the ottman and Arab invasions in east Africa because of geographical situation in the Eritrean highlands making it impossible for the jihadist to enter invade and control the highlands 
Eritrean Tigrinya  are predominantly Christian.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CB:4F07:7800:A89E:B8F2:9E8F:8C5D (talk) 06:38, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Unsourced comments on Christian fraction of Eritrean Tigrinya

message: Template:Largest cities of Eritrea has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Eritrea" 

message: Eritrean Christian and Eritrean Tigrinya population is undercounted on the Wikipedia page of Eritrea.
Eritrean Tigrinyas are 55%-60% of the population of Eritrea. And the Eritrean diaspora is predominantly Eritrean Tigrinya as well.
Eritrean Tigrinyas are over 90% Christian and up to 10% Muslim.
Towns of the highlands like Asmara Mendefera Adu Qwala Seneafe Adi keyih Dekemhare Are majority Christian city. There even more churches than mosques in this areas.
The places in the highlands were named ether by Etnic tiginyas or Christians like Zaada Christian/ white Christian a suburb of asmara which is Tigrinya village. The people of the area of Asmara are called as Hamasien who ethnic tigrinyas and of Christian faith.
The highlands of Eritrea is the most populous region of Eritrea. 
And Wikipedia claims that there 1.8 million Eritrean tigres desite the Tigre tribe is only 30% of the population of Eritrea 
Besides that Christian people also exist in the other Eritrean tribes like in the kunama tribe Bilen tribe and Tigre tribe who originally were Christians as well but were converted to Islam by Arab and ottman invasions in Eritrea and East Africa 2003:CB:4F07:7800:A89E:B8F2:9E8F:8C5D (talk) 06:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eritrean Christian population and Eritrean Tigrinya population undercounted