Talk:Michiru Yamane

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message: I disagree with the recent worklist changes. One, if it can be cited, then it should stay in the article, regardless of how niche the game is. And two, removing co-composers can mislead people to think she solely composed all of the games listed. If we don't list the exact names of the co-composers, then the games she didn't fully compose should at least be marked as such, maybe with a note. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 03:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Further games can be added from her official site, but I figured since these were not ever brought up across several interviews, they aren't important enough to mention here. Since most of her works were collaborations, I thought about adding a dagger or something to ones where she was the main composer, but didn't bother doing it for now. TarkusABtalk 04:02, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll get around to it later, and add any missing games that have third party sources. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 06:26, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

text: There is no standardized policy for handling a (video game) composer's worklist AFAIK. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:37, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

text: That is interesting about Elder Gate. TarkusABtalk 05:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I do see a problem with listing all the games. My concern is that most readers will only want to know her significant contributions, and listing every single game will overwhelm the reader and make it more difficult to understand which are key. Even if we mark which were contributions and which she was the main composer, it does not help distinguish her contributions to Suikoden from say Rumble Roses, for example. She contributed many tracks to the Suikoden games and is remembered for those tracks, but only contributed one or two tracks to Rumble Roses and they are never discussed by sources. Sites like VGMDB and Moby Games are better for maintaining a master contributions list. TarkusABtalk 23:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

text: I'm not arguing that it's gamecruft, I'm arguing that it's detrimental to the reader's comprehension of her contributions. I don't think there's a policy on that. If you and Dissident want the full list back, OK, but I'll probably request more opinions from WT:VG just to be comfortable with a larger consensus. You can do the same if you'd like. (for reference, this rev lists all the contributors, and this rev has all the sources) TarkusABtalk 10:59, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The only real issue is having sourced. We usually include all the works of other (non-gaming) musicians, so it should not be considered gamecruft here due to that. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:48, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

text: No, the issue is having them be cited by third party sources, not verifying they exist in the first place. (WP:N vs WP:V) ~ Dissident93 (talk) 07:40, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: There's nothing in WP:N or WP:V that forbids primary sourcing. Credits and game manuals can be verified so there's no violation. Tons of GA or FA articles use game manuals. It only says that articles that overly rely too much on primary sourcing are bad. WP:PRIMARY says that primary sources "may be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." Now all we're talking about is a simple addition to a chart, so that's about as straight forward a factual statement as we can get. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:10, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worklist 

message: Her and Iga have made several appearances in China, and she's done a performance or two as well I believe. This is covered by the Chinese gaming media. Game Sound Maniac was a performance, and China Joy 2015, and IndiePlay 2015 are the two appearances. There's at least one Chinese language interview which might have useful info. 
* Interview
* Article
* Game Sound Maniax (JP article)
Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Neat, thank you! TarkusABtalk 19:57, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  China: 

message: This interview from 1Up.com is split across two pages. For some reason, only the first page is accessible. I cannot reach the second page, even through archive websites. If anyone is able to access, please ping me. TarkusABtalk 20:01, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you so much...I'll need to go through this and the other sources soon. TarkusABtalk 20:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  1UP interview 

message: The article leans a bit too heavily on a few interviews. More sources should be used to reduce this reliance. Harizotoh9 (talk) 22:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source diversification: 

message: She's given a lot of interviews. Some of them are in obscure publications. I'm gonna post some that I've come across so far that aren't used as referneces in this article:
* Babysoftmurderhands
*  Beep! magazine 1994, (Japanese Bloodlines interview)
*  Play staff (Jan 2006). "Castlevania Release Day Event". Play (US). Vol. 5 no. 1. Fusion Publishing. p. 61.   
Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:53, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: If the Beep interview is the same one translated at Shmuplations, I already scanned through and didn't find anything of value. I'm finding that a lot of the information in these interviews would be better for the respective game articles. TarkusABtalk 05:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interviews: