Talk:Ganon/Archive 2

message: Add a picture of Drawn Together's Ganon parody and the animated Ganon? ~ZytheTalk to me! 00:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think we should.  That character hardly warrants a mention on Drawn Together's character page.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 02:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should we... 

message: This is a dispute as to which of the two predominant portrayals of Ganon should be shown as the lead picture for the article. 20:03, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for Comment: Lead Picture for this article. 

message: if pepole are complaining about the pic of ganon being "goofy" and others saying its his most common form why ot get a diffrent ganon thats not so "goofy" but still ganon (im only saying a ider im not trying to be pov-ish) Sailor cuteness 19:46, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's called Ganon in every game and Ganondorf in about half. It's like Prue vs. Prudence - same name, same person. Also, you don't want to be implying any connection between the games - that would be OR.~ZytheTalk to me! 00:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  better ganon 

message: That's speculation. Leaving this ambiguous until it can be elaborated upon is the best course of action, so please stop. -Chao9999 05:48, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  To those who are saying that Ganondorf has died and Zant died due to the life connection. 

message: I don't care if the picture should be pig-form or human-form. The fact of the matter is, that picture is not Ganon. As much as the debate currently leands toward having a pig-form as the main image, unless some one provides a valid pig-form image, a human-form would be more efficient. I know you're trying to get a 3rd party moderator for the main debate, but for now just change it.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.12.132.100 (talk) 01:30, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Clearly that picture is Ganon.  Who the hell else would it be?  Leave it alone. 199.126.137.209 04:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Source please, dude. -- Digital Watches! 04:37, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I've played the Oracles through more than probably a majority of the gaming population, and I can safely say that the OoA/OoS Ganon is indeed Ganon. Twinrova says "Our rites have failed, but by sacrificing this body, Ganon will return!", while Zelda also says "Since they could not sacrifice me in their final rite, the powers of darkness could only revive a mindless, raging Ganon." In other words, that is Ganon, just "mindless." It is the SAME "body." They did revive Ganon, and that picture illustrates him just fine. EllipsesBent 00:25, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's basically zombie Ganon. It IS the same body, but it's not the same character. It's kinda like saying that Riku is the same person as Ansem Riku (Though not quite the same, since that's a case of possession). 68.161.140.186 01:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Enough is enough. 

message: I added this passage earlier today:
:The American A Link to the Past instruction manual gives his full name as Ganondorf Dragmire, though the Dragmire surname never appears in the game or any later work.
After another member added "It is probable that Ganondorf Dragmire was his human name before he became the King of Evil," the full passage was removed without explanation.  I've re-added the original sentence as I wrote it, as it contains no speculation or misinformation, and merely presents a relevant fact about the character (while acknowledging that it was never again referenced). Jeff Silvers 15:34, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, sorry. It was the second line I had a problem with. Sorry.~ZytheTalk to me! 18:48, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mention of the Dragmire surname 

message: *:Image:Lightmovedshadow.jpg
*:Image:Ganonoot2.jpg
*:Image:Ganontp2.jpg
*:Image:Ganondorfsmile.jpg
*:Image:Ganondorfduel.jpg
Opinions? Also, I really think this page should be moved to Ganondorf Dragmire. Ganondorf is his real name, A Link to the Past states Dragmire is his last name. -- Bly1993 19:01, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If they're not still using it, I don't see why we should move the page to something less recognizable. I think if we're to use any of those pictures, it should be the last one, but only as a new image for the Twilight Princess section. We don't really need a lead image if no one can agree on what it should be. -- Digital Watches! 20:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All those images are awful. Sorry. In-game stuff... blech. Also? Ganon is his name as much as "Ganondorf Dragmire" is. Ganon is ALWAYS given as his name. This is not a tv show - Zelda continuity doesn't work like that, it's very disputed, even down to if every portrayal of a character is indeed the same person.~ZytheTalk to me! 20:55, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been confirmed countless times that all the Ganons are the same person, and that there is a conuity (The continuity doesn't make sense IMO, but that's from Miyamato's mouth). Not saying that we should change the article to that, but just letting you know.68.161.140.186 01:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I still say that a Ganondorf/Ganon combo image is the best way to go, as it not only solves the debate, but also effectively illustrates both sides of this dichotomous character.  As far as moving this article to Ganondorf Dragmire, the Dragmire surname is only used once: in the American A Link to the Past instruction manual.  It isn't mentioned anywhere else, including the game itself.  Ganon, on the other hand, appears in every game Ganondorf does. I think it's best we leave it here. Jeff Silvers 21:35, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been looking around to find something about "Dragmire" and so far all the sources I've seen say it was a translation error of the original Link To The Past instruction manual.  Since Ganondorf Dragmire and Mandrag Ganon were not included in the rerelease of the game for GBA, it's pretty safe to assume they retconned it out. Dracokanji 14:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Images we could use for main image

message: The intro says that Ganon/Ganondorf first received a backstory in Ocarina of Time.  Shouldn't this actually be A Link to the Past, where his being sealed away and his former life as a thief are mentioned? Jeff Silvers 11:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true.  It was only heavily elaborated upon in Ocarina.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 11:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First backstory? 

message: Ganon was the dictator of Hyrule for a while and aspires to be sole ruler of the world so whomsoever keeps removing him from this category please give a reason as to why.
:(Sign your posts).  I think it's fairly hard to assess that, and massively adding categories to a page does more harm than good. -- Digital Watches! 21:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if the categories are actually relevant. Jeff Silvers 00:26, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Fictional dictators

message: What the hell is happening to this article. Now, there is no picture at all, the picture of Ganon in the A Link to the Past section is in accurate and not how he appears in that game, the information, is confusing and not told well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.115.34.186 (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What information is confusing? Jeff Silvers 18:52, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is bad 

message: I see you people have a problem finding an image for this article. Well I say we should do it a fair way and vote. First we have to 
vote to see if you want ganon, or ganondorf. Please post(and say why).
:Doesn't work that way; Wikipedia is not a democracy. Jeff Silvers 12:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is that we don't reach decisions based on majority rule at Wikipedia, we reach them based on general consensus. There is already an active discussion (a few, actually) on this talk page concerning which image should be used; if you wish to express your opinion, you should do so in those discussions (and don't forget to sign your posts using four tildes (~~~~). Jeff Silvers 15:09, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: If you aren't registered, it just prints your IP address, which is still useful as identification in discussion pages such as this one. Jeff Silvers 19:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ideas 

message: I'm sorry, but I have a question: I've added the image back to the article as his image of A Link to the Past. I went to ZeldaDungeon, the source of the image, to confirm it was from LttP, but I didn't find it in any of the games' sections. Now I've seen people refering to it as his image from Oracles, although he looks exactly like the Ganon from LttP. Can someone please confirm from which game it is? And I apologize if I got it wrong.
:A Google image search returns this as the first result for Ganon "Link to the Past".  It isn't the same image that is currently described in the article as being from LttP, but the design is nearly identical. Jeff Silvers 23:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pig image 

message: Would anyone mind me [the great Anon] adding a section for memorable lines that Ganon has said. After all the fella has said some quite dramatic things in his time. I added a Memorable quotes section but someone removed it. 
the aforementioned great Anon—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.240.105 (talk • contribs) 
:It's called Wikiquote. So, no. ~ZytheTalk to me! 01:00, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: q:The Legend of Zelda series~ZytheTalk to me! 01:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: He doesn't really need one.  Just add the quotes to the proper game sections in the Zelda series article. Jeff Silvers 12:33, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotes

message: Someone was debating the possibility of Ganon and Ganondorf being one person. I think someone might have already said this, but I agree with that statement in some respect. I would think that people who played through Twilight Princess would be able to realize that Ganon is the alternate form of Ganondorf. Link turns into a wolf (A sign for bravery and courage) in the Twilight realm, a sign that he is one chosen by the gods (Triforce of Courage). Would it really be that hard to believe that a boar (A sign of greed and power) would be the animalistic image assigned to the one who was chosen by the Triforce of Power? That would explain where Ganon came from and where he falls as far as characters are concerned. I know a lot of die-hard Ganon fans might be upset by this, but it seems that is how the plot falls. The only reason the name Ganon is used anymore is because up until now, Ganon was the only form Link ever fought. Calling Ganondorf Ganon would be like calling Wolf Link "Skippy" and saying Link is really Skippy in the guise of a human. If my viewpoint is accepted already, maybe some changes should be made in the sections where Ganondorf is reffered to as "Ganon." Commander Regulus 07:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And I think that's a whole heaping helping of original research. The only times we've seen Ganondorf referred to as such, yes, he has transformed into Ganon. Yes, they are the same person/thing/being/whatever. However, uniformly changing the naming scheme is ridiculous. The games themselves refer to him as one or the other as appropriate for the situation as has been decided by the creators of the games. Ergo, there's no reason to refer to him as Ganondorf in instances where he was referred to in-game as Ganon. -- Digital Watches! 07:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Since Nintendo seems to want to refer to him as Ganondorf when and only when he's humanoid, it's a bit odd to use "Ganon" under those circumstances, and vice versa. -- Digital Watches! 21:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's easy to say that "Ganondorf" never refers to his beast form (to my knowledge, this has never been so), though yeah, Ganondorf is sometimes referred to as "Ganon" (the aforementioned Ganon's Castle example from OoT; the possessed Zelda from Twilight Princess is called "Ganon's Puppet." Jeff Silvers 01:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

text: When Link first meets him in The Wind Waker, he says, "I am Ganondorf." Jeff Silvers 19:30, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganon is Ganondorf 

message: I seriously think we need a better picture of the Twilight Princess Ganondorf. The picture that's already there doesn't show his whole body, nor does it show his face very well. Can anyone please find some official art or something? All I've been able to find are choppy screenshots and fan art.SilentWind 20:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twilight Princess redesign 

message: Has a definante picture of Ganon been picked yet? I say we just use the most recent picture of Ganon (The beast, not the human) we can find. (Same thing was done for Link and Zelda, why should Ganon be any different.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.200.22.77 (talk) 02:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because Link's and Zelda's appearance don't change often, whereas Ganon's does. No design predominates, so having no image in the lead makes sense. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 03:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Been asked enough but... 

message: Has anybody seen the tv show from the late 80s? Ganon is ridiculous-looking; some sort of green man-pig.
Anyway, I'm new, but I'm guessing it's illegial to post a TV picture on Wikipedia? (since it's part of a copyrighted franchise) JimmmyThePiep 00:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Not if you can argue it falls under fair use. Jeff Silvers 04:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  TV Show Picture 

message: The following is true:
*The latest art of Ganon is from the Oracles games
*The latest art of Ganondorf is from Wind Waker
*There is only one Ganon/Ganondorf
*Miyamoto refers to them both as one character
*There is a timeline
The following depictions would be suitable for the article:
*Ganondorf
**Concept art of Ganondorf from Wind Waker
**Screenshot of Ganondorf from Twilight Princess
*Ganon
**Concept art of Ganon from Oracles
**Screenshot of Ganon from Twilight Princess
*Combination of two of them
*Ganondorf is refferred to as the same character as Ganon by Miyamoto, and thus it is fair to dictate them as such
*Due to the above, either form is available to use
*Ganon makes seven appearances in the Zelda series
*Ganondorf makes three appearances in the Zelda series
*The last art of Ganon is from Oracles
*The last game with Ganon is Twilight Princess
*The last art of Ganondorf is from Wind Waker
*The last game with Ganondorf is Twilight Princess
Considering these facts:
*If you don't count the 3-D Ganons, then Ganon has appeared in 4 games, which would mean that Ganondorf would be used for the title, as he would be the most recent depiction of the character
*It is reasonable beyond doubt that using a screenshot for the title is acceptable, due to the lack of concept art of both depictions
*Using no art is unacceptable
*Using fan art is unacceptable
Nothing here can be denied (with the sole exception of Ganondorf and Ganon being the same character, as this is only heavily implied, not specifically stated).
Treating this as another "lawl blue pig picture hator" topic is childish at best, as it's more than acceptable to complain about this subject.
Either depiction of the character is acceptable.
Due to there being two forms of the character, using his most recent or most common appearance from their most recent game (ex 4 Ganondorf in OoT, 1 Ganon in OoT) would mean that we'd use Ganondorf for most recent and most common appearances in Twilight Princess.
This issue MUST be resolved, as there is absolutely no reason for such an issue to persist. -Chao9999 03:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't interfere with mediation. And some of your "true" statements are not confirmed.~ZytheTalk to me! 17:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  EDIT: Oh, nevermind. -Chao9999 23:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Agreed. Frankly, this dispute is getting in the way of what's actually needed to improve this article: practically redoing it. If possible, I'd like to see this get up to FA status, but that's not going to happen if we keep bickering about the stupid lead image. - Digital Watches! 19:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Years ago. ~ZytheTalk to me! 00:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Give me a source. I've already seen confirmation that there is, in fact, a timeline. This was, as Zythe says, years ago, but since it hasn't been recinded, it could be argued either way. Either it's outdated because it's old, or it's still valid because it hasn't been taken back. EITHER WAY, there has been no confirmation whatsoever as to whether or not there are multiple Ganons as far as I know. To say otherwise for EITHER side of the dispute without a source is meaningless. So give me a reputable source, and if possible, another (non-mirror) one that corroborates it. The more recent, the better. - Digital Watches! 19:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Oh wow, another image topic (OMG ORIGINAL) Anyway, this is to be the OFFICIAL topic for the image dispute. 

message: I have some ideas as to how to vastly improve the quality of this article. 
*Remove the plot summaries entirely, and replace them from scratch, with an objective of briefly explaining Ganon's role in the plot, while not elaborating superfluously (or at all, really). 
*Out-of-universe perspective. This entire article is written from an in-universe perspective, and that's not only against wikipedia policy, but really a dumb idea. Once we get into in-universe nonsense, we get into all the disputes about canonicity and that gets us nowhere. This isn't a fansite, it's an encyclopedia article.
*Sources. I'm tired of hearing "it's in the game, we don't need a source." That works for some things, but an article with so much information and so few sources is just bad. And when I say sources, I mean reputable sources. Fansites don't help, no matter how well-phrased their argument is.
Hopefully I can get to work on this soon, but if anyone would like to help, I'd really appreciate it. Let's get this article featured if we can. -- Digital Watches! 19:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FA status: What we can do to improve this article. 

message: There are way too many categories for just one character. While most of them are accurate some only describe Ganon very little and others mean the same as others just with little other details added. I mean, we could go on forever with Ganon in categories, but just keep the iconic ones. Fictional mass murderers, demons,thieves, ect..  Ganon is only shown as a traitor in Ocarina, so that is not very accurate as there are 8 other games where he didn't betray anyone. He is shown as mass murderer in each game because of the amount of lives lost as a result of his plans, he is always shown as a demon, his backstory was always a thief, so all those are the most accurate. Just put categories that Ganon fits into in ALL or most of his depictions-Darknessofheart
:Some categories are POV or trivial and could be deleted. Anything that fits, stays.~ZytheTalk to me! 17:10, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Too many categories 

message: The Ocarina of Time section states that "He eventually kills the King and chases Impa and Princess Zelda into hiding." Is there any basis to the claim he killed the king? I've played Ocarina of Time too many times, and never got the impression that he died, just that he was dethroned. Plus, I always assumed he was the same king in Wind Waker.
No basis for claim, I'll remove it if it's still there. Also, the WW King can't be the same, WW takes place more than 100 years after OoT. -Chao9999 23:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Ocarina of Time

message: Where did this come from? Have you got any evidence or explanation for this? I don't recall a change in attitude. Please explain. Ashnard talk 21:23, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The only real sympathy he shows is when he says he won't kill them. He just wants the Triforce. That's the only part though. -Sukecchi 21:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, I've edited it out now, as I think it's an unfounded claim, also, what about the caption under the Wind Waker Ganon? It says he is an older Ganon, is there any evidence? I thought them to be approximatley the same age. Should this be removed? (question overload). Ashnard talk 21:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's just Nintendo giving him a deeper personality instead of him being the power-mad lunatic, one thing that I thought was good about WindWaker. But what about the age thing? Ashnard talk 22:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you mean by age thing? -Dark Dragon Flame 22:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Look at my post that is above yours, about the caption under the WW Ganon, saying he is an older Ganon, I think it should be edited out. I'm going to bed now, so you can leave it or edit out. But I really think the comment is unfounded. Bye. Ashnard talk 22:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

text: True, but that doesn't make him personally more sympathetic, it makes the player more sympathetic, and even that is a matter of opinion. Ashnard talk 13:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, that's sort of what defines a "sympathetic character." - Digital Watches! 01:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sympathy conjures the wrong connotations, it is an unsuitable adjective for Ganondorf in WW, and it isn't what "sort of defines a sympathetic character", there is a difference between the player being able to sympathise and Ganondorf being able to. I think that is where the confusion has arose. Ashnard talk 15:51, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sympathetic in Wind Waker 

message: Can we put that picture to represent Ganon at the top of the article ?
 -DjinnFighter 23:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It beats the other Ganon picture, I'd definitley support it going up. Ashnard talk 08:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Ganondorf's appearance is always different in every game, the general depiction of a huge pig-like fiend is present in everygame. It is not really a very distinct depiction. Ashnard talk 20:45, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you for the link to that site, it had some amazing artwork i hadnt seen before.  On that site there is one of ganon in Twilight Princess, i think that should be the main picture as it is the latest incarnation.--71.183.44.244 02:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: At the very least, the official art of Ganon's human form should replace the in-game screenshot in the TP section.217.44.117.127 15:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea, I have changed it to the official artwork of Ganondorf ! DjinnFighter 16:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It got deleted at WP:CFD as being too hard to objectively define.~ZytheTalk to me! 17:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ganon Article Picture 

message: Understood this entire page is one hell of a spoiler, I feel the image of Link stabbing the mighty Ganon in the face goes a bit overboard. It is a dramatic scene, I feel it should be removed, or if nothing else every other exciting conclusion to Ganon should be ruined for the general populous. THE END.
This whole page is full of spoilers, if someone is afraid of spoilers, then they should stay away from wikipedia. The only thing we are responsible for is marking the areas of the spoilers and that's already done. Everything else,including the image, is fine by wikipedia standards. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and is meant to include all information possible, the image is dramatic as you said, but that's the reason for it being in the article. We only include pictures that are iconic of Ganondorf's character and we include the most dramatic images to convey that effect. The point is I can't imagine someone who doesn't want to be spoiled would go to this page. The whole character of Ganondorf is a spoiler as his backstory make up large portions of the story in Zelda games. I see no problem with the image, as I said that it's a very iconic moment in Ganondorf's chracter. Just to note, I didn't post the image, I just don't think it's a big deal.-Darknessofheart
 
"If someone is afraid of spoilers, then they should stay away from Wikipedia"
If that were the case, then spoiler tags wouldn't exist. Some people don't go to Wikipedia for spoilers, they go for information, and not everybody wants to know everything. Please remember that spoiler tags don't negate the effects of images, because they can be seen when scrolling downwards, so it is very easy to see spoilers, (as I have done when viewing a TP page before it was released in Europe.) Ashnard talk 16:21, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Wind Waker Spoiler

message: I don't understand...  Someone has posted a link to an article entitled "Dark World" yet when I click it, it brings me to Yu-Gi-Oh cards or something so why does it link there if it has nothing to do with the Dark World or Ganondorf? Bassium!Bassium! 00:54, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch. Apparently "Dark World" redirects to the Yu-Gi-Oh! article, so I've replaced the link in this article with a piped link to Sacred Realm#Dark World. --Sparky Lurkdragon 16:55, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should it? 

message: There's a picture of Ganondorf as he's seen in Melee, captioned "Ganon in action on Melee," despite the fact that it's his idle pose, and it should be "Ganondorf in action in Melee, not "on Melee". The only problem (besides the cruddy explanation below it) is that it's really badly taken. It looks like it was taken with a camera from the 80's -- it's very pixelly, the color is distorted, and shows his idle stance from behind. Can I take it down? Teamrocketspy621 15:06, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've so far seen no complaints, so you have my blessing, for what it's worth.  If someone reeeeeeeeealy likes that shot, he can always revert it. By the way, if you revert it, please let us know why.  I don't want a revert war. Bucky 08:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melee 

message: What is happening to all our lead pictures?!??!?Thecolourrose
I know, it makes it look quite bland and "stub-like" at the start, I can't remember the reasons for them doing it. You say "Here Too", where else has this happened? Ashnard talk 16:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I knew the story behind the Ganon shot being gone; it was lementable, but probably the best choice.  I noticed that the picture of Zelda is back, and I'm glad to see it.  Talks over whether or not another shot of her should be used are currently going on, but this is at least suitable for now.  But why isn't there a lead picture of Midna right now? Bucky 07:32, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

text: ActuallyGannon was first used in the original Legend of Zelda into text. From what I heard though it was fixed in ohter versions (GBA, collecters eddition disc, and VC). I can also confrim that there is a football player by that name Rich Gannon --65.95.16.175 20:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

text: This may seem out of theme but, Bucky there are way more soccer fans than just European and South American weirdos that call it football, actually football is the the most popular name for the sport in the planet. - 凶 15:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I got on it because I'm easily distracted.  It's a mental thing I've had since I was a wee one.  By the way, Ashnard, I'm chubby, not fat, ya European Stick! ;) Bucky 20:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here too?!!?!? 

message: The article's looking okay! We need to start actively looking for inline citations (lots of reliable external links about the character) to improve the article.~ZytheTalk to me! 12:19, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sadly because of the disputed chronology of the Zelda series, it's impossible to really write about the character's fictional history. What we can do it a sort of out-of-universe "production history" which has been subdivided game-by-game.~ZytheTalk to me! 18:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thumbs up 

message: Argh! The only game in which Ganon appeared as a "pig" demon was the first Legend of Zelda! Every other time he is a boar! Go ahead in check. In ALttP, he had tusks. He had them in OoT, as well. Don't forget the Oracle series. And of course TP, and FSA. See where I'm going?
Are you complaining about the page stating him asd a pig? If so, change it! Go on — be bold. Ashnard talk 13:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pig! I get sick of it! 

message: in the wind waker portion of the article, it says that without the triforce of power, Ganon turned to stone after being impaled. However, wasn't the Triforce of Power mark on Ganon's right hand during the final battle? because if so, we really shouldn't say that he didn't have his triforce piece/ lost his triforce piece.
:You're right. At least the game never mentions the Triforce of Power's relation to his fate. He just turns to stone, and anything else is original research. Gurko 07:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ummm... gone? (Wind waker spoilers)