Talk:List of United States light rail systems

message: Some potential LRT systems, all of which are rather new and are not on this table. JCKotrba (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The main issue is whether APTA includes these systems in their Ridership Reports or not – APTA includes Seattle Streetcar in its figures, but not Portland Streetcar. If these new streetcar systems don't get included in APTA's report, it makes it more complicated to get ridership figures for them... In the meantime, let's wait until APTA's Q4 2015 figures come out before trying to update this table. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  New LRTs to add? 

message: People movers that are in downtown areas are very similar to a light rail system, they're just elevated. The Miami Metromover, interestingly enough, now hitting about 35,000 daily riders, and being only 4.4 miles, which is a generous measurement given the amount of overlap, would come out to 8,000 riders per mile, which would be the highest of any system on this list. The Detroit People Mover is mentioned on the talk page, regarding it's not being included. That and the Jacksonville Skyway, are basically the three downtown people movers in the country, but the latter two are highly underutilized. B137 (talk) 07:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  A note, confusion over downtown APMs 

message: We had previously discussed splitting the Seattle and Tacoma numbers if we could find good data. Despite the fact that the two systems have the same operator & the shared "Link" branding, I think it's appropriate to split them because they're two separate lines 25 miles apart and use different vehicles.
Anyway, I found this info on the Sound Transit site:
http://www.soundtransit.org/sites/default/files/2016-Q4%20Service%20Delivery%20Performance%20Report.pdf
This document counts ridership in terms of "Boardings." Does this represent the same thing being counted as "Unlinked passenger trips" in the APTA numbers? My understanding is so -- an unlinked passenger trip is one person getting on one vehicle, and that fairly intuitively is what boarding means. The fact that these are both one-line systems means we wouldn't have to worry about possible differing interpretations of transferring lines. Anyway, I'm inclined to use these numbers but I wanted to post them there first in case there's something I'm missing. --Jfruh (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it may be – if you add the two separate totals for Tacoma Link and "Link" in your source, it seems to add up to the total for the "bundled" listing for them we currently have in the list. That implies they're either the same thing, or the numbers are close enough to each other that they can be treated as the same thing. Therefore, I support splitting them, provided we cite this specific source for both of the "split" figures. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:39, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Ha, I was just coming back here to say exactly this. I'll come back and split this up later today when I get a few minutes. --Jfruh (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Splitting Seattle and Tacoma 

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message: I was just peeking at the Q3 APTA numbers because I was curious about how the ridership for the eBART extension to BART was doing. Weirdly, eBART isn't included in the main lists at the beginning of the report; but in the section where there are lists for different modes for each participating agency, there's a commuter rail mode listed under the San Francisco Bay Area RTD, which is BART's operating agency. There's nothing this could be other than eBART, but Wikipedia generally follows media reports by referring to the eBART extension as light rail. Admittedly it's an edge case, similar to the SPRINTER (which APTA lists under light rail) and the Austin MetroRail (which APTA lists under commuter rail). My instinct is to still list its ridership numbers here rather than on List of United States commuter rail systems by ridership, but I thought I'd pose the question here so we can get a consensus before the Q4 numbers come out. --Jfruh (talk) 17:25, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd be in favor of leaving eBART here (though we'd maybe have to do a separate source for its ridership value, as it's on a different page of the APTA report). These systems are generally categorized as "diesel light rail". It is weird that APTA stuck eBART under "commuter rail", but leaves the Oceanside Sprinter under "light rail", though... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  eBART 

message: Hi all! I've updated this page with the Q4 2018 numbers, mostly from APTA except where marked. A few notes:
*I listed eBART here, despite the weird way it's categorized in the APTA report (see previous section of this talk page above)
*I couldn't find any consolidated official numbers for either the Cincinnati Bell Connector or the Dallas Streetcar, so I left those with last year's numbers for now. Annoyingly, Cincinnati breaks down daily ridership but doesn't aggregate them into monthly or annual counts on its official site! If anyone wants to dig in and do the math, be my guest.
*Re: Dallas: Since the Dallas Streetcar is operated by DART, its ridership may actually be rolled into the numbers for the DART light rail system. Something to investigate.
*Oklahoma City and Milwaukee both opened streetcar lines in 2018, but they weren't in the APTA report so I didn't include them -- unlike El Paso, whose streetcar was also new in 2018 and which I added here just because the numbers were easy to get. Would be worth adding them to this list if we can find good numbers for them, though maybe we should wait until next year when we'd have a full year of data for comparison purposes.
*Similarly, St. Louis added a heritage streetcar in late 2018; probably not worth figuring out if it's rolled into the St. Louis Metrolink APTA numbers until next year, as it wouldn't move the needle much.
--Jfruh (talk) 22:42, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q4 2018 update 

message: You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership § 2021 Ridership.  Discussion about when to update to more current ridership figures is directly relevant to this article, and related articles like it. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:15, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion at [[:Talk:List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership#2021 Ridership|Talk:List of United States rapid transit systems by ridership §&nbsp;2021 Ridership]]

message: APTA's Q4 2022 figures are apparently out now, if anyone wants to update this article. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Q4 2022 figures

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message: Should this be listed? NE2 18:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Loop Trolley]]?