Talk:Tokyo/Archive 1

message: The link to Saitama in the sentence "Tokyo is also part of the Greater Tokyo Area, which consists of Tokyo itself and the surrounding prefectures of Kanagawa, Saitama and Chiba." leads to the city but should lead to the prefecture. I don't know how to change links... May 9, 2004 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.117.22.148 (talk) 01:37, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Saitama link

message: I think the Tokyo Tower image should be above the prefectural table. Any other opinions on this? WhisperToMe 16:50, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: It is standard for info boxes to be in the top-right hand corner of the page. Almost all pages use this layout, including all the city articles. ed g2s • talk 19:14, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I think Tokyo should be an exception, esp. since it's often treated as a city when it is technically not a city. In city articles, the picture of the city's most recognizeable landmark comes first before any infoboxes. WhisperToMe 20:02, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: A) A quick survey shows that picture/infobox rules are not consistently observed for cities or other administrative units; B) It's highly debatable what the most recognizable landmark in any city is (which is a good enough reason to prefer giving the infobox top billing)--in the case of Tokyo, the Imperial Palace, the Tocho, or Shibuya crossing would all be logical contenders; C) Tokyo Tower is an ugly-ass building that doesn't deserve that kind of prominence. adamrice 20:56, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Should the landmark pic become a part of the infobox? WhisperToMe 23:08, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking at several other city articles that include infoboxes, I haven't seen any other examples of landmark pictures in the infobox, and in most cases, the infobox comes before any photos. adamrice 23:48, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Which specific examples do this? WhisperToMe 23:54, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

text: Well, I found Beijing and Ho Chi Minh City, but in terms of major ones like New York City, the infobox comes second. WhisperToMe 05:25, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

text: I reverted the image so that the earlier, larger image is seen when one zooms in. WhisperToMe 00:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokyo Tower image 

message: User:Leonhart has been running around editing every reference to Tokyo as the world's largest, claiming the top spot for Seoul.  I won't debate Seoul's size, but the Japan Statistics Bureau's own figures are that Tokyo, Kanagawa, Chiba and Saitama combined had 33,190,000 people in 2000, some 6 million higher than even the most optimistic Seoul figures. Jpatokal 16:29, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population figures

message: There are two Tokyo categories, :Category:Tokyo and :Category:Tokyo Prefecture (sic).  I'm inclined to list :Category:Tokyo Prefecture on WP:CFD but thought I'd raise the idea here first.  Since Tokyo is NOT a prefecture, I think the prefecture category is at best misnamed (could perhaps be :Category:Tokyo Metropolis), but I'm not sure the prefecture (metropolis) category has any purpose at all.  I think the relevant categorizations should be:
*:Category:Tokyo member of :Category:Kanto region and :Category:Prefectures of Japan (because it's administered similar to the prefectures, even though it is not actually a prefecture)
*:Category:Cities in Tokyo Prefecture should be renamed to :Category:Cities in Tokyo (or should this be :Category:Cities in Tokyo Metropolis?)
*:Category:Towns in Tokyo, OK or move to :Category:Towns in Tokyo Metropolis?
Please indicate agreement or alternate suggestions. -- Rick Block 03:14, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tokyo related categories 

message: The article lists the number of municipalities in Tokyo as 39.  Yet, according to Municipality of Japan, the special wards are counted as municipalities.  Thus, there should be 62 (23 ku + 26 cities + 5 towns + 8 villages) Nik42 02:31, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Municipality figure 

message: I feel the section mentioning the bombing of Tokyo is somewhat evasive on the issue of the "firebombing" (c.f. Bombing of Tokyo in World War II). I feel that a mention and link to this important aspect of the bombing campaign should be added.--Malcohol 13:29, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Firebombing 

message: Does size matter? Looks/feels like the Tokyo wiki page simply has too much information. Many sections could be removed and replaced with a link to a new wiki. Particularly the tourism and culture sections. Shopping? Is that really necessary here? Also, it seems that many of the photos are redundant or simply not necessary. Tokyo station from the outside AND the inside? The TSE building? Is it remarkable for its architecture? Sanja Matsuri AND rickshaws in front of Sensoji? Two photos of Tokyo Tower?
Surely, I acted in haste. But I DID remove the entire tourism and culture section from this Tokyo wiki and put it in the Tourism in Tokyo wiki. Thoughts? Comments? Reversions?
:Hey, those are my photos!  ;->  I agree, though, that we have too many, e.g. two photos of Tokyo Tower beyond Zojoji. The stock exchange is not remarkable for its architecture but rather for what goes on inside it. It has more place in the main article on Tokyo than in the tourism article, but doesn't necessarily have to be in either. Ditto the Supreme Court and Diet. The International Forum is noteworthy architecture, not noteworthy for what takes place in there (does anything take place in there?). The section on sports could probably go with tourism etc. But find a way to keep the sumo photo in Tokyo (oh, no! it's not mine!). Take out one or two cityscapes from Tokyo. The stone foundation of castle tower photo should go. Nijubashi is more famous, and one is enough. 
:We should probably split out Transportation into an article on Transportation in Greater Tokyo, and mention only the Yamanote line, the Shuto Expressways (not by name), and Haneda in the Tokyo article. Photos go with the text to Transportation article (hey, wait! they're my photos too!) Merge section from Greater Tokyo Area into new article. Fg2 04:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the transportation changes. Please, please feel free to revert if you don't like it! Fg2 07:24, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: size

message: I took the liberty of changing the title "Tokyo Metropolitan Government" on the infobox. The box gives data on Tokyo Metropolis itself, not the government; putting "Kanagawa Prefectural Government" on the Kanagawa box would sound silly. Since we argued so much about whether to call Tokyo-to "Tokyo Prefecture" way back when, I thought this change deserved a quick explanation. If anyone has a problem with it, feel free to debate. - Sekicho 06:12, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
: I agree that the article is not only about the government; it's most of all about the things governed: the land and the people, together with their culture. So, the title of the infobox should not include the word "government" (in my opinion). Fg2 06:21, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
It should just be "Tokyo." I changed it to just "Tokyo." That's what the article is named, and no one calls it "Tokyo Metropolis." There's only one Tokyo, and no one can mistake it for anything else. Photojpn.org 04:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Tokyo Metropolis" 

message: I somehow doubt that the State of New South Wales is a sister city of Tokyo.
I am quite sure Sydney is not a sister city, however this is the biggest city in New South Wales, and indeed Australia.
Can somebody clarify?
:You can check here: Sister cities by CLAIR Be aware that it can be sister states instead of cities since Tokyo is not city. Photojpn.org 13:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister City 

message: I have converted the History section into a chronology (like the Japanese version). This will make it much easier for people to modify and add more text to this section. Photojpn.org 07:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  History as a chronology 

message: Let it be known that I'm finished with this article and I won't be modifying it any further. I will unwatch it, so go ahead and do whatever you want with it. I'm withdrawing from active participation in Wikipedia's Japan-related pages. It's one thing to spend time writing articles and uploading images, and another thing to keep watching it due to vandals and uninformed and unqualified writers. I really don't care to spend time for the latter, and rather just concentrate on producing the content. And without any qualified editor-in-chief overseeing the quality and accuracy of articles, I cannot take this Wikipedia project seriously. (Although there are many good articles here, many more are just eternal stubs and poor-quality entries.) I will instead work on my own Japan site. A place where I won't have to worry about vandals, etc. I don't regret at all my brief participation here. It was a very interesting experiment and experience for me. But it just doesn't work for me. Thanks to all who helped me out. Photojpn.org 12:11, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm finished with Tokyo 

message: I've rewritten the intro on public transport because I feel "unsurpassed" is an exaggeration. It's probably the largest (statistics, basis for comparision anyone?) network, and certainly incredibly clean and reliable, but also has some serious drawbacks. The network is not particularly well-integrated, partly due to the plethora of operators; while individual fares are quite reasonable, changing between networks can get quite expensive. The train system is orientated to bringing large numbers of people to and from the center (Yamanote line area); journeys between suburbs can be quite difficult and often easier to achieve via the Yamanote Line. Buses play a very subsidiary role and are also very slow, due to a lack of acceleration measures (bus lanes and the like), and are also split up between a variety of operators. Ianb 09:32, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Public transport "unsurpassed"? 

message: "Tokyo has a larger economy than any other metropolis -- larger, indeed, than most nations'. Its nominal GDP of around $1.315 trillion is greater than that of P.R. China, Canada, South Korea or Mexico."
The inclusion of China is erroneous. 
See https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html
59.167.84.254 06:05, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy 

message: What is the correct term for someone from Tokyo? Tokyoan? Tokyonian? Anthropax 21:50, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Tokyoite brings in the most google hits (178 with 東京人), but I doubt it's 'official' though.  freshgavin TALK   00:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Term? 

message: : Tokyo is not a city under Japanese law. Under Japanese law, Tokyo is incorporated as a metropolis, and is like a province, or a state of the United States, or a prefecture. There are dozens of municipalities incorporated as cities inside Tokyo. Tokyo has a governor (as opposed to a mayor), like a province or a state or a prefecture.
The "downtown" part of Tokyo consists of 23 parts called "special wards." Each special ward is like a city. Every one of them has its own mayor and city council. Each has a name, and several special wards have the English word "city" as part of their English name. Not one of them has the name "Tokyo."
The 23 wards together do not make up all of the Metropolis of Tokyo. Tokyo encompasses many more cities, towns, and villages outside the downtown part. Tokyo even includes some faraway islands such as Iwo Jima. 
Decades ago, there was a city named Tokyo. You can find out more information by reading the article Tokyo City. Since 1943, no city in Japan has had the name Tokyo.
What makes this different to any other major city in the world?  Cities such as London, Sydney and New York are all divided into smaller cities.  They're still refered to collectively as a city. 62.254.168.102 14:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: New York is perhaps a good analogy.  Tokyo is more like the state of New York than like the city, but there isn't a city in Tokyo called "Tokyo City".  Referring to Tokyo as a city is like referring to New York State as a city.  Just as no one would say "the city of the State of New York", no one should say "the city of Tokyo".  The highly urban "downton" area within Tokyo is perhaps commonly thought of as "the city of Tokyo", but this is simply incorrect.  Back to the New York analogy, the 5 boroughs comprising the city of New York really are a collective legal entity named "New York City".  The 23 special wards comprising the analogous downtown section of Tokyo are NOT a collective legal entity called Tokyo - they aren't a collective legal entity of any kind, but cities in their own right in the larger subnational entity named Tokyo.  -- Rick Block (talk) 19:43, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

text: To add to what Rick Block said very nicely, Tokyo includes things that nobody would call a city: towns and villages and farms and mountains and islands, including remote islands with no permanent population such as Iwo Jima. Some of these stretch a thousand miles and more from the bright lights of Ginza. There used to be a city named Tokyo but it was abolished long before I was born. Up to that time, the city of Tokyo had a mayor and a city council and wards and was very closely analogous to New York, New York. Now, Tokyo does not have a mayor, city council, or body corporate the way New York City does. It's not a city any more. Six decades and more after the city was abolished, isn't it time to stop calling Tokyo a city? Fg2 21:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NOTE: TOKYO IS NOT A CITY

message: Comment on the GDP was recently changed to Tokyo has the largest metropolitan economy in the world: its nominal GDP of around $1.315 trillion is greater than the 14th. largest economy in the world. This is unclear because it doesn't clearly define the scope in which the word economy is used. The previous edit stated that the nominal GDP of the Metropolitan Tokyo Area was greater than that of Mexico, which clearly states the scope of the economies but someone must have thought it irrelevant (or worse) that Mexico was chosen as the comparison. If nobody can think of a better way to phrase this I think it should be reverted. Also, what is the source that gives you 14th? Using the $1.3t figure, Wikipedia's List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28Nominal%29 puts Tokyo at 8th, ahead of Spain.   freshgavin TALK    00:21, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed this to greater than the 14th. largest national economy in the world, but somebody really should add a reference - referring to List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28Nominal%29 and changing it to 8th sounds fine to me. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Having hardly any background in economics I'm not really one to authenticate the rank but after a quick look on google and using the other wiki figures 8th place seems to fall within the range of anyman's logic so I'm changing it.   freshgavin TALK    06:41, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Re: GDP and last edit

message: I removed Sydney and inserted New South Wales in the list of sister cities according to this Tokyo Metropolitan Government web page. Since NSW is not a city, I labeled it "sister state," again, following the nomenclature on Tokyo Met's web page. Note that Sydney and Nagoya are sister cities. Fg2 12:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: (Sp?)   freshgavin TALK    01:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't find any info about Sydney and Tokyo (or any of the cities in Tokyo) being sister cities. I found this, which is current as of April 29, which indicates Nagoya (as Fg2 says above) is a sister city. ˑˑˑ日本穣 Talk to Nihonjoε 17:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sydney   --->   New South Wales 

message: An editor added Mexico City to the list of sister cities. The Japanese Wikipedia does not have this information, nor could I find it in the article on Mexico City in English, Spanish or Japanese. Does anyone know whether it's correct? Fg2 20:56, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I presume this page is the official list: http://www.chijihon.metro.tokyo.jp/gaimuka/shimai/top.htm , and it's not listed there. (There does however seem to have been a recent exchange involving pandas between the two entities) Ianb 21:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sister cities: Mexico City? 

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thread_title: Assessment comment