Talk:Dvorak keyboard layout/Archive 2

message: Please include your discussions about improving DSK to Featured Article status under this subheading. Thank you for your contributions in advance. --ADTC 08:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Creation and Improvement Drive

message: I can personally attest the difficulties in using the Dvorak layout regarding keyboard shortcuts.  I would also like to point out, however, that on the Macintosh (OS X at least) it automatically reverts to QWERTY when the modifier keys are pressed.  IMO it's this level of attention to user friendiness that makes Apple far ahead of the competitors.
: I don't have any trouble using keyboard shortcuts with Dvorak any moreso than in qwerty. mnemonic 05:47, 2004 Jun 20 (UTC)
:So you're saying that Mac OS is user-friendly because it suddenly reverts the keyboard layout you set up without any warning? Hmmm. — flamingspinach | (talk) 06:29, 2005 May 11 (UTC)
:: Mac OS X has two Dvorak layouts, one which reverts to QWERTY when meta keys are pressed, and one that does not.  Windows has no such option by default (maybe someone has made a layout for download?).
::: I've created a new keyboard layout called "United States-Dvorak with Qwerty-based Modifier Key support". It can be downloaded from here: http://send2adtc.googlepages.com/DvQwMod.zip
::: Limitations: I think the Alt key still follows the Dvorak layout, though Ctrl key follows Qwerty layout. If you find that this limitation is wrong, please feel free to delete this statement.
::: Also, if I'm not wrong, Stamina Typing Tutor doesn't recognise that you're using Dvorak layout when you are using this custom layout. It only recognises so when you use the standard Dvorak layout that comes pre-installed with Windows. You need to manually set Stamina to Dvorak if you use this custom layout.
::: This works only on NT based systems, I suppose. I have tried on Windows XP only. The setup file is an MSI file, that is a Windows Installer Package. --ADTC 16:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Shortcuts

message: How do you prounounce Dvorak?  August_Dvorak's article says /dvOr{k/, is that similar to duh-vor-ack?  The article should probably say.
BTW, I'm typing this (very slowly) in Dvorak right now.  w00t!
: The first syllable is pronounced like "door" with a v after the d.  The "dvor" is one syllable.  The second syllable is pronounced "ack".
::I copied the pronunciation from Wiktionary, but it looks wrong, so I'm going to get somebody else to help.  :) Foofy 21:53, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: I think there would be many willing to switch if they just knew what the heck Dvorak is, and the support behind it. mnemonic
:Agreed. The stumbling block I see is the perceived wisdom NOT to acquire physical dvorak layout keyboards. I see the 'don't get a physical keyboard' mantra as being counter-productive.
:It's my belief that if more people could be encouraged to give the Dvorak layout a try using a keyboard with the dvorak layout, then the existence of the keyboard itself, actually on desks, actually in plain view, would become a conversation piece, encouraging awareness.
:Many (most?) people these days are 'hunt-and-peckers', not touch-typists.
:Children especially, in the main, do not learn to type by touch-typing! We are doing our youngsters no favours at all by not placing a dvorak keyboard in front of them at the earliest possible age. Pendant 00:14, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  i wish there were just more user awareness 

message: Maybe it was true when typewriters were all-mechanical, and typist had to hit the keys violently. But now, with near-zero force applied to the keys, it's much easier to type with adjacent fingers, and with adjacent keys, than with distant keys. At least for me. And, at least for me, its much easier to type when I don't alternate hands frequently. It's possibly due to nerves' length that fingers of one hand are easier to synchronize.
Grzes 10:00, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is typing digraphs with adjacent fingers difficult? 

message: I'm somewhat confused by this passage:
:Stroking should generally move from the edges of the board to the center (as an example, rap your fingers on a table and see which is easier: going from pinkie finger to index or index to pinkie). This motion on a keyboard is called inboard stroke flow.
It implies to me that it's easier to rap your fingers from pinkie to index, but I tend to "jam up" when I do that, and going from the index to the pinkie flows more naturally. I'm also only able to do that on my right hand; I "jam up" either way when I do it on my left. Am I just a freak of nature, or is that passage wrong? Gus 02:25, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)
:I don't know if you're a freak, but I also find it easier to go from index to pinkie.  Maybe the people he tested were freaks?  I don't jam up, however, like you report. Perhaps someone should investigate this. — Frecklefoot | Talk 16:50, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
:I find it MUCH easier to go from pinkie to index. Grinick Sept 11, 2005
:Are you moving your hand? Try keeping it still, with your fingertips about half centimeter above the table. I find pinky-to-index is extremely easy, while index-to-pinky feels very unnatural and is somewhat slower. Mussavcom Nov 05, 2005
::Keeping my hand absolutely still, with only the fingers moving, I find it far easier (and faster) to do index-to-pinkie.  Dec. 8, 2005
:::I personally find it MUCH easier to do pinky-to-index.  Whenever I try to go fast with index-to-pinky, I keep hitting my middle and ring fingers at the same time by accident...  How odd, do you think this is something that varies between people?  It could be like handedness... I'm right-handed and left-eyed and inboard-stroked XD ... -JC 23:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Count me amongst the pinky-to-index crowd.  When I go the other way my index hits, then the next three.  pinky-to-index just feels natural.  That said, I doubt it affects typing very much.. Oreo man 21:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with index-pinky. I jam up on the reverse.--//Mac Lover TalkC 02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Pinkie to index for me, much easier. Don't forget that a keyboard for general use has to be designed around the average person, most find it easier outer to inner, I'm not saying it's perfect; I wouldn't mind a couple of keys being swapped ( . (full stop) and , (comma) ) but that's probably due to my own typing/writing style. -- Lee Carré 05:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Somewhat related, seems that different people really do have different preferences how to move their fingers.  I've talked to a number of pianists--some find scales easier up, some down.  Some prefer trilling with the middle-ring finger, some prefer ring-pinky finger.  So you may be in a minority, but "freak" is probably a little strong.  Different people just have different hands.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.106.136 (talk) 05:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Inboard stroke flow?

message: Does anybody know of any left handed Dvorak tutorials?  I already know standard dvorak (only layout I ever learned) and I want to experiment with the left handed layout so I can use the mouse and type at the same time, or eat a sandwich and type simultaneously.
:: I also wonder if there are any one handed Dvorak tutorials. While there are many Dvorak tutorials available, I have never seen on that included a full set of lessons for one handed keyboarding. 66.94.95.194 21:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: One hand layout tutorials