Talk:Stabilisation and Association Process

message: Does this mean that the EU has now ratified the SAA, or does the Council also need to formally assent? —Nightstallion (?) 09:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I may be wrong, but I think that the EU parliament has merely given its permission for the EU to sign the SAA with Albania. As such, the document can now be signed by the Commission and the European Council officials (on behalf of the EU) as well as by the Albanian side. Afterwards it will have to be ratified by every EU member country AND the European parliament. This process will probably take years. After completion of the process, Albania will become an associated member of the EU. RedZebra 15:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like what I figured, except for the "associated member" part -- there is no such status as "associated membership"; association agreements merely imply association, not associated membership... Still, we'll see how long this takes.  —Nightstallion (?) 09:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: What does this mean: The countries of the western Balkans are covered by SAp and the EU signs with them Stabilisation and Association Agreements (SAA) that explicitly include..."  Does the EU sign agreements with these countries on a regular basis?  Shouldn't it be "has signed"?  --Rschmertz 01:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "signs", because it "has signed" with some of the countries and is currently in process of negotiations with the others and "will sign" with them later... Alinor 19:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU "signs" agreements? 

message: uses Stabilisation and Association Process (SAP). The article currently uses Stabilisation and Association process (SAp), but the source is not given. I propose move to Stabilisation and Association Process per link above.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  18:57, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: SAP or SAp

message: OK well I speak italina and in the page if you click at Approvato it shows the ratification of Albania had gone through in October 16, 2007. If you do not believe me goodle it and get ssome other sourses.
http://www.senato.it/leg/15/BGT/Schede/Ddliter/28958.htm
Ratifica ed esecuzione dell' Accordo di stabilizzazione e di associazione tra le Comunita' europee ed i loro Stati membri, da una parte, e la Repubblica di Albania, dall' altra, con allegati, protocolli, dichiarazioni e atto finale, fatto a Lussemburgo il 12 giugno 2006 
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Iter
16 ottobre 2007:  approvato (trasmesso all'altro ramo) 
Successione delle letture parlamentari  C.3043  approvato  16 ottobre 2007 
S.1855  assegnato (non ancora iniziato l'esame)  29 ottobre 2007 
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Iniziativa Governativa
Ministro degli affari esteri Massimo D'Alema (Governo Prodi-II) 
Di concerto con 
Ministro della difesa Arturo Mario Luigi Parisi, Ministro dell'economia e finanze Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa, Ministro per lo sviluppo economico Pier Luigi Bersani, Ministro del commercio internazionale Emma Bonino, Ministro delle comunicazioni Paolo Gentiloni Silveri, Ministro dei trasporti Alessandro Bianchi, Ministro senza portafoglio per le politiche europee Emma Bonino Natura
ordinaria 
Ratifica trattati internazionali. 
Presentazione
Presentato in data 18 settembre 2007; annunciato nella seduta ant. n. 207 del 19 settembre 2007. 
Classificazione TESEO
RATIFICA DEI TRATTATI , COOPERAZIONE INTERNAZIONALE , ALBANIA , UNIONE EUROPEA 
Relatori
Relatore alla Commissione On. Claudio Azzolini (FI) nominato nella seduta del 2 ottobre 2007 . 
Facente funzioni On. Umberto Ranieri (Ulivo) nella seduta del 2 ottobre 2007 . 
Relatore di maggioranza On. Claudio Azzolini (FI) nominato nella seduta del 10 ottobre 2007 . 
Deliberata richiesta di autorizzazione alla relazione orale. 
Facente funzioni On. Umberto Ranieri (Ulivo) nella seduta del 15 ottobre 2007 . 
Assegnazione
Assegnato alla 3ª Commissione permanente (Affari esteri e comunitari) in sede referente il 26 settembre 2007. Annuncio nella seduta ant. n. 211 del 26 settembre 2007. 
Pareri delle commissioni 1ª (Aff. costit.), 2ª (Giustizia), 4ª (Difesa), 5ª (Bilancio), 6ª (Finanze), 7ª (Cultura), 8ª (Ambiente), 9ª (Trasporti), 10ª (Att. produt.), 11ª (Lavoro), 13ª (Agricoltura), 14ª (Pol. comun.) 
Informazioni aggiuntiveparlamento.it altri link  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.87.108.23 (talk) 03:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it says approved and transmitted to the other chamber [approvato (trasmesso all'altro ramo)] . Anyway if you don't belive me you can try to search in the past issues of the Gazzetta Ufficiale.. I bet you won't find anything. --82.58.49.170 09:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way i assume that you know that a treaty to be ratified in Italy needs a vote by the chamber of Deputees AND by the Senate. I think it's not worth quarreling for this. Probably Senate will do its job in a month. Let's wait and see. --82.58.49.170 09:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italy ratified albania 

message: I don't want to start a stupid edit war and so i decided to write here instead of changing the page. First above all the bill authorizing the ratification was passed on 12/12 and not on 11/12. Second the bill has yet to be signed into law by the President of the Republic and to be published in the official journal before being enacted (and so before ratification actually will take place). Until the publication you will find the bill listed here as bill approved but yet to be signed and published . Let me just state another time I'm writing here just for the shake of completeness and I don't want to start an edit war. Anyway when the law will be published I'll change the date making it reproduce the official date as stated on the official journal.--79.10.95.42 (talk) 00:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Again on Italian ratification 

message: Re this edit, WP:MOSMAC specifically prescribes the use of the name used by the EU. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 04:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  FYROM 

message: Okay, as much as I know by this source and many other Germany signed SAA with Bosnia at May. 18. 2009. One of the sources : . --HernauMan (talk) 21:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bosnia and Germany

message: hasn't ukraine already started negotiations with the SAA by now? —Alastor Moody 07:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ukraine 

message: mergefrom|European Union Association Agreement|discuss=Talk:Stabilisation and Association Process|date=December 2008
*Strong oppose EU AAs are signed with countries all over the world (like Chile and South Africa). SAAs are signed only with countries in the Balkans and are precursor agreements to the Enlargement process. IMHO the two policies are different enough to have separate articles (also different directorates general are managing them). Alinor (talk) 06:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger? 

message: The map needs updating to reflect Serbia's application for membership of the European Union.  Skinsmoke (talk) 19:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map update 

message: I'm not pretty sure so I decided to ask you first on  your opinion!
Here's (http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/azerbaijan.5l9/) written that the EU launched association talks with Georgia on Thursday, today with Azerbaijan and with Armenia on Monday! Shouldn't we add it to the list, since the first step has already been made?!Olliyeah (talk) 22:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Stabilisation and Association Agreements (SAA's) are a specific type of Association Agreement (AA) between the EU and official/potential candidates for EU membership.  The negotiations with the caucasus states seem to be over an AA, which doesn't necesairly lead to EU membership, not a SAA.  This is the same type of agreement that Ukraine is currently negotiating.  I'll add the caucasus states the AA page here.  TDL (talk) 22:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan  

message: Italy's ratification of the SAA with Bosnia Herzegovina has become law on June 25th 2010.
http://www.senato.it/leg/16/BGT/Schede/Ddliter/35346.htm
Serbia's SAA was ratified on August 3rd 2010 but needs to be published on the official journal before it enters into force.
http://www.senato.it/leg/16/BGT/Schede/Ddliter/35701.htm  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Finedelledanze (talk • contribs) 08:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Is accessible. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Stabilisation_and_Association_Process
According to Council of the European Union's website France and Greece not ratified agreement with Bosnia yet. http://www.consilium.europa.eu/App/accords/Default.aspx?command=details&id=297&lang=EN&aid=2008023&doclang=EN Ron 1987 20:33, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

text: OK, but if a non-www.consilium.europa.eu source is used it should be put at least as a hidden comment in the table. Alinor (talk) 06:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Information concerning ratification of Bosnia and Herzegovina's Stabilisation and Association by France is wrong. Ratification bill was passed by the National Assembly and awaits for ratification by the Senate. So, ratification process in not finished. See   Ron 1987 19:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Luxembourg has not ratified yet. The ratification bill passed first reading and awaits for final ratification. See 7.5.2010 Ron 1987 19:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for clarifying, I see Luxembourg has ratified Bosnia and Serbia now. Please, do you understand what is happening with France-Bosnia? I thought the French parliament had ratified Bosnia's SAA, but then it just turned out to be the lower house. Is the process hung up by the reactionary atmosphere of Sickola Narcosis, or is it making quiet progress?
24.108.37.224 (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

text: Stabilisation and Association Process and Stabilisation_and_Association_Process it the same template. There are not two templates. In both cases template is accessible. Completely dispensable and incomprehensible change. Ron 1987 16:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2 are not the same... the recent change Czechy-Serbia is not visible on the other version.24.108.37.224 (talk) 18:18, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

text: It is exactly the same. There are not 2 versions of template. Recent change is visible. Perhaps, you have problems with that, because you are not registered user. Maybe you should create account. Or see Bypass your cache. Citation:  "Wikipedia saves bandwidth by instructing your web browser to store many parts of the site in its local cache (normally on your hard drive), so that they are downloaded only once. This includes articles you've previously viewed, images previously displayed, style sheets, JavaScript, etc. Sometimes, this has the undesired—and highly confusing—result that a recent change appears to be ignored. There may be other abnormalities, such as changes to the site's interface or changed user preferences having no effect. When you encounter odd behavior, please try instructing your browser to bypass the cache so that the whole page is reloaded even if there is a cached copy. Normally, revisiting the cached page, or clicking "Refresh" or "Reload", will cause the browser to ask the Web site if there is a newer version available, downloading only if there is; the instructions below explain how to over-ride this behavior." Once again, it's completely dispensable and incomprehensible change. Ron 1987 19:42, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

text: It's not visible for you, because you have not an account. You should repeat Bypass your cache or create an account. Ron 1987 (talk) 21:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table of ratifications to be updated 

message: Kosovo's agreement only needs to be ratified by the EU, not by the member states 
Quote "At the same time, while other countries were obliged to negotiate on the SAA and wait for its ratification by all the member states, this process is not needed for Kosovo since the EU will co-sign it as legal entity, allowing the earlier enforcement of the SAA." I will mark the country boxes N/A (not applicable) unless someone can show why not. 24.108.58.1 (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I used a "—" rather than a "?" for that purpose, but N/A probably makes more sense.  I've gone ahead and made the change.  TDL (talk) 07:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Kosovo's ratification

message: Information on Croatia can probably be removed as it is no longer part of the Stabilization and Association Process, so the information is turning into clutter in the table.169.229.101.10 (talk) 00:51, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  Encyclopedia's need to take a long-term historical perspective to avoid WP:RECENTISM.  Croatia spent more than a decade on the SAP, so that deserves mention here.  If nothing else, it provides a benchmark to compare the other SAP states in their integration process.  TDL (talk) 00:52, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Croatia