Talk:Gippsland

message: When I first came to read the Wikipedia article on Gippsland not that long ago I was baffled to see that Cardinia Shire was completely left off the list of its constituent municipalities. It was only when I looked through the history of the article that I realised that this was more likely a hangover from a previous incarnation which (even more bafflingly) ignored West Gippsland entirely. While I can understand those who may point to the continuing spread of Melbourne's suburban sprawl south eastwards as a reason to excise the region's westernmost parts most at risk of being lost to the metropolis (such as Pakenham), I don't think the situation has quite progressed to that point yet! 
 
Of course, rectifying the problem by including Cardinia Shire in the "official" list meant finding a 2001 census population figure to match the other ones given. Alas, try as I might there seemed to be no source which matched the figures given in that one paragraph, which all seemed to actually be lower than the 2001 "census night" figures the ABS produced (which are generally the lower bound on population figures, as later "usual resident" and ERP ("estimated residential population") figures revise these upwards to account for those outside of the area on census night). So I figured the most consistent option was to choose a set of figures from the 2001 census (the "usual resident" figures) that treated all municipalities equally. These changes also have the benefit of automatically "increasing" Gippsland's population by 50,000. (For sticklers, the source of my figures is the book "The People of Victoria; Statistics from the 2001 Census", published by the Victorian Office of Multicultural Affairs in 2003, with all its data drawn directly from the ABS. One of the benefits of this volume is that the data is broken down according to Local Government Area, rather than the more confusing "statistical divisions" that the ABS uses.)
This then brings us to the wider problem of how to define Gippsland's subregions, which is the main issue of the posting regarding East Gippsland/Central Gippsland below.  For without an agreed upon scheme, a clear exposition of each of the subregions in the Geography section is impossible. Given that none of the well-known and accepted regions such as "West Gippsland", "South Gippsland", "Latrobe Valley", "Central Gippsland" or "East Gippsland" (actually I've heard of a "North Gippsland" before, has anyone else?) have ever been officially delineated, and that various authorities draw boundaries in different places (which I assume is why at one point the Gippsland article had the "Latrobe Valley" region equating to the Latrobe River basin and thus stretching from Sale to Warragul, and even including Drouin, which actually lies in the Bunyip River basin), I feel a pragmatic, non-dogmatic approach is probably the best. Which is why I've rearranged and expanded the various subsections using primarily (but not exclusively!) the municipal boundaries. As for the confusion regarding the larger and smaller incarnations of "East Gippsland", I think separate treatment of Central Gippsland, coupled with notes pointing out the discrepancy in popular usage, is the most practical approach.
Finally, I've added a heading for History at the end of the article, in the hope that those with more expertise in the field than I have will add some much needed content.
Swithun B 05:35, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Cardinia shire, subregions and populations

message: A map if available would give much better context than the text summary.  --Biatch (talk) 06:49, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map ? 

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