Wikipedia talk:WikiProject A Series of Unfortunate Events/Archive2

message: I thought of another way places could be organized, by putting them into categories. There's the main unnamed city (Boston in movie), Other towns(Paltryville, Village of Fowl Devotees), The Hinterlands, Boats/Submarines, and a last page for other locations which don't fit. --Pacaman! 03:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We can use this idea or the locations by book, but we can only use one. I think this is a good idea, but it has to be done right. The categories have to fairly broad. We can't have categories with only one location in them. Clamster5 04:01, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I think this the better way to go. It seems like a lot less work. We won't have to make a totally new template, just tweak the other one. I'll put Lousy Lane in with Towns/Cities, but I think the others should just be in an "Other" category. Clamster5 04:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a sample house article at User:Pacaman/HousesLoc. Should I move it and delete the articles off the template and the list? Also, do you have any comments on the location template? --Pacaman! 04:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I like the idea of the location template. Per your suggestions of what info to provide, I think name, image, first mention, location, size, possession, and type should be included. I think we should create all the sample pages and change the main template before turning the samples into real pages. I can get started on them tommorrow. It is Thanksgiving after all. Clamster5 14:49, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Happy Thanksgiving! I have stuff to do later, but I'm the only person in my house awake right now so I'll get started on the template. --Pacaman! 15:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, thanks for fixing Aunt Josephine's house too. I was having a ton of trouble trying to get it right.--Pacaman! 15:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Can we not just have "Buildings in ASUE" and "Locations in ASUE"? —Celestianpower háblame 17:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This proposal has already been put in place. Personally, I think having too many places on a single page is a bad idea. Clamster5 20:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Place Proposal 

message: Here's a new template to be used on the new place pages (See List of locations, Template Proposal, New Place Proposal): 
I have added the new template to User:Pacaman/HousesLoc. --Pacaman! 16:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Place template 

message: Does anyone know how to edit a template to make it hidable, such as in Template:Google Inc.? Template:ASUE is quite long and could probably use the hide feature. --Pacaman! 19:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ask the reference desk, they might come up with a satisfactory answer. bibliomaniac15 22:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

text: oooooh, so pretty!!! Clamster5 01:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! --Pacaman! 02:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hide Template 

message: Now that all the places pages (except the uncategorized places) are done, should we start moving them? Here's how it would work:
#Move all place pages from user pages to real locations - Done!
#Change all place pages into redirects to their new location - Done!
#Update ASUE template - Done!
#Change List of locations in A Series of Unfortunate Events into a page which links to all of it's new divisions and contains uncategorized articles - Done!
After this we should probably execute the mammoth task of somehow sorting the characters
--Pacaman! 02:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll do the first step if you make the "other" locations page. Clamster5 03:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, my mistake. I think I wanted to change it from "Boats" to "Boats and Other Vehicles". Clamster5 20:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, technically submarines are a type of boat. "And Vehicles" may confuse people since it also refers to cars and such. --Pacaman! 22:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going Places 

message: What else needs to be organized for ASUE? The places have just been organized, and I compacted all the animal articles into one page. Lots of info could be moved or otherwise organized.. Also, does anyone know of some ASUE pages that aren't linked to by anything? Every once in a while I will go to a page to create it, but it has already been sitting there, unwikified and isolated. --Pacaman! 22:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found an isolated page: Or, Orphans! The characters need some organization. --Pacaman! 01:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compact, Merge, Organize, and Salvage 

message: I like the recent addition of The Littlest Elf, however, I'm not sure it should be categorized as an accompanying material. It's a theme through the books and movie, not a seperate book. Perhaps a return of the other section on the template would be better suited for the littlest elf. Animals and Fungi could proably be turned into the other section and have littlest elf added to it, unless of course someone has a better idea. --Pacaman! 03:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Its a only a recent addition to the nav box. The article itself has been around for a while. Could it possibly be merged into the movie article? Clamster5 04:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is it appeared in the books in The Vile Village and I think it may have been mentioned a few other times. Maybe it could be merged into A Series of Unfortunate Events.--Pacaman! 17:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Littlest Elf 

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 17:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I've nominated A Series of Unfortunate Events for the weekly cleanup drive. Please vote for it through the link on its page! Thanks. Clamster5 23:35, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Only two more noms to go! There's more members of this WikiProject then there are nominations. C'mon guys, TWO MORE! Mrmoocow 10:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup Drive

message: Why is Phil included in the list of minor characters? He had a major role in two books. Also, that minor characters page is mayhem and really needs to be cleaned up.--Pacaman! 03:37, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He only appeared in two books and while he did have a major role in The Miserable Mill, he didn´t do anything very major in The Grim Grotto. Many other characters with similar roles are in minor characters. Maybe we should have some good guidelines on how to classify a character. --AirLiner 14:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. I've been getting very confused lately about what a major/minor character is. I'll create a page for this.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 15:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The project page should have basic guidelines for determining whether a character deserves their own article. Other similar wikiprojects have this type of information. I would love to see what you've come up with. <3Clamster5 02:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I haven't started yet. I'm checking to see if WP:BOOKS has these guidelines.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 05:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Good job! I haven't received a response from WP:BOOKS, so we'll just have to get input from our Project members.--Ed ¿Cómo estás?Reviews? 02:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Phil! /Guidelines 

message: Information for the Baudelaire's parents and Beatrice 2 is scattered over Mr. and Mrs. Baudelaire and Beatrice (A Series of Unfortunate Events). I'm not sure how to organize everything, but there needs to be something done. BB1 and BB2 have nothing in common but a name. BB1 is a much more important figure than Bertrand and shouldn't be on the same page. I would say we should have 3 articles, but then information such as the poison darts would be duplicated on two pages. --Pacaman! 01:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that in the interest of spoilers, Beatrice (A Series of Unfortunate Events) should contain the two Beatrice Baudelaires, and Mr. and Mrs. Baudelaire should basically only cover Mr. Baudelaire and link to Beatrice as Mrs. Baudelaire's main article. Clamster5 22:40, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds good, but we should make sure there are clearly lable Mrs. Baudelaire and Beatrice Baudelaire to eliminate confussion. Momoroxmysoxoff 15:58, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we change the page from saying the first and second Beatrices to young and old beatrice? It still gives away the same spoiler, but at least differenciates clearly between the two. Clamster5 20:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer Young and Old Beatrice as giving last names is a huge spoiler for the series. Of course, Young and Old does give away that there are two Beatrices, but theres really no other way to do it. Clamster5 18:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, DanCrowter, when "Beatrice Snicket" sends letters to Lemony, she called herself "Beatrice Baudelaire". (Which is why I renamed the article.) However, could we not change the current article into a disambig page, that had separate articles for the two Beatrices? Mrmoocow 10:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text:  We do have a spoiler template, Clamster5. :D Mrmoocow 20:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Beatrice Baudelaire

message: I remember somewhere in the books that the Baudelaires each mention that their least favourite colour is some form of pink. Could someone tell me what they are/add it to the respective Baudelaire's article? Mrmoocow 22:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Least favourite colour

message: On the pages, please don't call the series 'fictional'. Fictional and fiction mean different things:
If I said: A Series of Unfortunate Events is a fictional book series.
It would mean that the book series does not exist.
If I said: A Series of Unfortunate Events is a fiction book series.
It would mean that the events taking place in that series do not exist.
Really, you just need to say that its a children's book series by Lemony Snicket. Mrmoocow 09:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 'Fictional'

message: I'd like to contribute to the project. How can I join?
667er 21:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to Wikipedia:WikiProject A Series of Unfortunate Events/Participants and follow the instructions there to join. We're always happy to have new members. <3Clamster 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Join? 

message: Right, figured this was the best place for this, as if I put it on Sunny's talk page nobody will ever read it. In Sunny's article, it states that she was two years old in TGG and three-and-a-half in Chapter Fourteen. Do we have any sources on this? The only reference I can remember in the books to Sunny's age is in TRR, stating that as of exactly two years previous she hadn't been born. The ages given in the Sunny article roughly fit, but it's possible she isn't yet two by The End (and therefore not three by Chapter Fourteen), as she certainly never had a proper birthday (Handler probably didn't want to give Sunny a true age because that would make the crazy stuff she does even more unrealistic). Anyway, I just didn't want to remove the reference straight away, as it could be something I've forgotten, so I was wondering if TGG or any book other than TRR references Sunny's age? 81.132.183.220 09:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that Sunny's age is mentioned in the series. Anyway, you're probably right, Sunny seems to understand perfectly everything around her, she just couldn't speak for the firt thirsteen books -excluding Chapter 14. This is extremely unrealistic. However, if we find her age in The Bad Beginning, we can deduce her real age, using Klaus' and Violet's birthdays. She must be just over 2 years older than she was in The Bad Beginning. -- Orthologist 18:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Using Violet's and Klaus's birthday, she's aged at least 2 years from The Bad Beginning to the The End. I always assumed she was about 2 years old in the beginning of the series, but I don't know if The Bad Beginning actually gives an actual age rather than infant or baby. <3Clamster 20:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sunny was less than two in TRR, and less than two years pass between TBB and Chapter Fourteen (because Violet and Klaus only have one birthday each). Do we assume Sunny might have unstated birthdays? If not, she can't bemore than three by the end of Chapter Fourteen. 89.207.208.26 11:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As it seems, we can't include anything, as it would count as original research. Moreover, even if we wanted to do original research, we can't; the information is inadequate.--Orthologist 16:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Canon is that she's less than two years old in TRR; anything else is just extrapolation from that. Might be worth mentioning, if somebody can be bothered to dig up the quote. I think it's somewhere in the middle. 81.132.183.220 18:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If we assume she is about two in the Bad Beginning and ages two years (violet/klaus's birthday plus 1 year between The End and Chapter Fourteen), then she would be at the oldest four at the end of the series. But once again, its all speculation. <3Clamster 16:30, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sunny's Age 

message: I noticed recently that one or more anonymous users have been helping a great deal with removing links to redirects and disambig pages on numerous A Series of Unfortunate Events-related pages. Thank you! Its a nice reminder that anon users can contribute useful things to ASUE articles, rather than the usual spam and speculation. <3Clamster 02:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thank You, Anon User(s)!

message: Since we're quite underpopulated, I think it would be a good idea that we introduced some Qxz -designed ads, as other Wikiprojects did, to attract more participants. I guess this goes here; I didn't want to propose directly to Qxz, and thought it would be best to gain some feedback first.--Orthologist 19:29, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Advertising is a good idea. Where would these ads go, exactly? <3Clamster 01:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The ads are, of course, not to be placed in articles and the mainspace, but we are free to use them in user pages and user talk pages. Qxz is quite skilled in constructing them, and they are sure to be helpful. Check out User:Qxz/Ads.--Orthologist 15:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds like a really good idea. Would you go ahead and request one? The eye that wikiproject uses should be included, as we can't use any actual ASUE images under fair use. <3Clamster 16:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Done. We'll just have to wait for it now.--Orthologist 20:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's the ad which Qxz created.
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rect 1 1 468 60 Wikipedia:WikiProject A Series of Unfortunate Events
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Note: This is not to be used in the mainspace, only on user pages. --Orthologist 22:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ads by Qxz 

message: This article -as an anon user pointed out- contains every possible combination of nearly all initials in the series and labels them "mysterious" -now moved to "ambiguous". It's unsourced, and by definition violates WP:NOR. Does anybody think it should be deleted?--Orthologist 21:16, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the 'Names' section should be kept in some form at least. <3Clamster 21:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The article would have to be moved, then. The names section is okay, but there are some other sections that include stuff like, "J.S. can stand for..." and give a complete list of names mentioned in the books, but haven't been explicitly ambiguous. Some of them are quite unimportant, I don't think Snicket intended to have "J.S." interpreted as Jerome Squalor, nor has he ever mentioned "C.S."--Orthologist 21:34, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The names section could be moved to List of Families in A Series of Unfortunate Events or something to that effect. The rest of the page doesn't warrant keeping. <3Clamster 02:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: J.S. information - non-speculatory J.S. information that doesn't match it up to any random J.S. in the books, although if any speculation that it was Julio Sham or whatever could be cited that might be interesting - probably be removed to List of Supporting Characters; the literary allusions and name origins stuff should be moved to character pages.  The anagrams can be moved to THH, TBL, or the U.A. or whichever book came up with them, if they're worth mentioning at all (the THH patient list was almost certainly a mass of in-jokes rather than anything actually relevant). 217.42.68.111 09:45, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

text: So you think we should clean it up from original research, merge its useful contents to the respective characters pages and delete it?--Orthologist 20:17, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I see no reason why not. 217.44.113.153 20:59, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Ambiguous Names and Initials (A Series of Unfortunate Events)]]

message: What's with the ASOUE book template - the ones with stuff like spine colour, disguise, guardian etc. - having been removed from the main books, but not from the supplements (which don't have any of the things that are mentioned in the template)? 217.44.113.153 17:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book Template