Talk:Catarrhini

message: I don't know if i should call Catarrhini infraorder or superfamily, i found both in litrature. Who can help?
:as far as I am aware, an infraorder/suborder is the same thing as a superfamily.  I might be wrong.--Mishac 23:29, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Some classification scheme give it a rank, but most do not. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

text: It is apparently a subdivision of the infraorder Simiiformes. Ardric47 01:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infraorder or superfamily?

message: I've tried to improve the section Catarrhini#Late Asian catarrhini. I separated the following sentence from the rest:
::"Discovered in 2001, the early primate Bugtilemur led to the assumption that lemurs came from Asia, not Africa."
I'm not sure that it is relevant. The main source for this section is an article from 2005 about some Pakistani finds, which also contains an overview over other recent Asian finds, and discusses the possible consequences. It also does mention Bugtilemur, but not as a catarrhine, but as an argument for anthropoids in general having thrived in times and parts of Asia where this formerly was not the case.  The discussion about possible catarrhini connection seems mostly to be based on the similarity between Bugtipithecus and Dionysopithecus shuangouensis, and in particular by comparing the morphology of upper molars.  The authors find them to to be more similar to each others than to the propliopithecidae, which in itself might suggest that the Bugtipithecus and the Dionysopithecus belong to a common Asian based primate group.  However, they also note that instead studying the lower molars might lead to the opposite conclusion.  Therefore, they do not present an hypothesis, but more raise a question as whether the "striking similarities" are phylogenetically relevant, or caused by functional convergence], ultimately due to dietary similarities.
My conclusion is that the Bugtilemur parallel is to peripheral to be retained in the section, and that the conclusions should be weakened a bit.  Moreover, we should clarify that the discussion is about anyhow extinct groups of catarrhini, not about fore-runners to exant groups as gibbons or orangutans. JoergenB (talk) 22:49, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the ''Bugtilemur'' belong here? 

message: Does anyone have a source for the given pronunciation? I ask because the way that "-ini" is pronounced in Catarrhini, according to the IPA given in the article, contradicts the way the same suffix is pronounced according to the article for Strepsirrhini. No source is given for either article, so I'm curious to see if this discrepancy is indeed true and if there is any evidence for it. AnyGuy (talk) 19:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation? 

message: Sometimes with catarrhine monkeys, the Cercopithecoidea appear to be meant, as if by "monkey", apes are excluded. But please not this only really works when presuming a continued use of paraphyletic monkey, and excluding extinct branches. IMHO testifying a lack op perspective. Jmv2009 (talk) 16:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Catarrhine monkey 

message: For a large grouping that includes many various extant and extinct species, featuring a picture of one or another of those species is likely to be arbitrary, at best. I have therefore changed the picture of a chimpanzee to a picture of Homo sapiens. Humans are by far the largest extant catarrhini species and therefore should be featured.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.121.192.199 (talk) 20:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. That was well said. But no, we don't need to put people on this image. We have them up at a higher level taxa. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Changing cover image