Template talk:En

message: Apart from seeming thoroughly pointless, on the English Wikipedia, every use of it I have found is mistaken: people generally assume that it redirects to something like , [  ]. As (eg)  and  do just that [ ,  ], I would suggest that this does the same. —Ian Spackman 22:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently using WP:AWB to replace instances of  with calls to , specifically so that  can act the same as  does (providing a link to the French Wikipedia, for fr). I'm doing the same to several other similar templates at the same time. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 20:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Add
 
Lfdder (talk) 00:22, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Redrose64 (talk) 07:50, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 18 August 2013 

message: Replace
 
with a less confusing notice, such as
 
I don't know which type would be more appropriate: move, delete, notice, style or content.
This template was discussed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 August 18#Template:En and closed as delete. This was then disputed. The resolution was to keep the template for use only in File space. There was no real consensus on what the template should contain, so it was left as is, with the deletion notice. This sparked a question at Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion#TFM in limbo, prompting this edit request to avoid future confusion. —PC-XT+ 11:39, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. Once this is done and looks good, I'll request the protection level on this template lowered to  so that I can process this request. —  (t • e • c) 13:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: There's not even any testcases here. — Lfdder (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Done I've replaced  with  —  (t • e • c) 17:42, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: So now we have two of the same. — Lfdder (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

text:  please address this. — Lfdder (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

text: , one of us is confused.  I've synced the sandbox with the live template (which should alway be done before you start hacking in on the code) and am wondering if you would be so kind as to make your changes to that.  I think you are missing the fact that the code that it appeared you wanted removed isn't in the template anymore.  , perhaps you could chime in here as well and we can get this template properly situated to everyone's needs.  Thanks. —  (t • e • c) 14:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Getting the notice removed/replaced was a stepping stone. It said that this tpl's getting deleted, which is/was no longer true. This tpl's only meant for use in descriptions of files copied over from Commons. This latest change is for getting rid of  and displaying an 'error' that this template should only ever be used in the File namespace in all other instances. There is (as far as I can tell) consensus for these changes (see PC-XT's explanation and the links at the top of this thread). — Lfdder (talk) 14:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, the first edit was simply to remove the notice, not handle the File namespace. I pasted the template into the sandbox, then edited it. Are you saying I should have substituted it in the first edit, before making changes? (I used sandbox diff to compare, and didn't think to make an extra first edit.) The main links are: TfD, File namespace discussion and template followup discussion including this sandbox. Sorry for the confusion. —PC-XT+ 21:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that the other two templates in that last discussion, ( and ,) were deleted and WP:SALTed. This one was only spared for use in File namespace because of its relationship with Commons, which has a similar template. We felt an error was in order, and this is more informative than the red template name. (The commons version has a different error handling method, using categories, but so far nobody has suggested that such is needed, here, though it could easily be added.) Suggested testcases: try it on some Files (preview) to see no change between sandbox and current version, then try it anywhere else for the error message from the sandbox. —PC-XT+ 21:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I've changed the tpl in the sandbox to use Module:Namespace detect and set up some testcases.  what do you think? — Lfdder (talk) 12:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Done —  (t • e • c) 15:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. You need to purge the tpl for the doc changes to take effect. — Lfdder (talk) 16:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, it seems us peasants can also purge. — Lfdder (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Any user can WP:PURGE a page. There's been a "[purge]" link at the top of template doc boxes since  - longer than I've been around. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't purge fully-protected templates. — Lfdder (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you can;  has just tried it, and if they can do it, so can any user who is not blocked. Please note that a WP:PURGE is not the same as editing a page and saving it - that's a WP:NULLEDIT. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right then, whatever it is, I can't apply doc changes to fully-protected templates. — Lfdder (talk) 20:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see why not. The prot level of a template is not inherited by its doc page; and if IP editors (and Redrose64a) can go to a full-prot template, click the "[edit]" link at the top of the green documentation box, edit the doc page, save it, return to the template, click the "[purge]" link at the top of the green documentation box and see an update, there's no reason why you should not be able to do the same. The only difference between the purge action for IPs and for logged-in users is that when an IP clicks the "[purge]" link at the top of the doc page, the purge isn't actioned immediately - instead they get an extra page which reads: Clear the cache of this page?Purging a page clears the cache and forces the most current revision to appear. But once that "Yes" button is clicked, there is no difference from any registered user. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems I can apply some changes, but, for example, I've subst'ed Template:Arabicnav in the doc of Template:Lang-ar, but it's still transcluded. — Lfdder (talk) 21:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that your computer is showing a locally-cached copy. Try a WP:BYPASS; in Firefox, for example, this is  --Redrose64 (talk) 23:21, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 20 February 2014 

message: Changes are in the sandbox
By the same reasoning as the above edits, I have removed/replaced all transclusions of this template in many namespaces. The sandbox should remove non-commons usage and add namespace detection. —PC-XT+ 05:48, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: , one of us is confused.  I've synced the sandbox with the live template (which should alway be done before you start hacking in on the code) and am wondering if you would be so kind as to make your changes to that.  I think you are missing the fact that the code that it appeared you wanted removed isn't in the template anymore.  , perhaps you could chime in here as well and we can get this template properly situated to everyone's needs.  Thanks. —  (t • e • c) 14:22, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  Getting the notice removed/replaced was a stepping stone. It said that this tpl's getting deleted, which is/was no longer true. This tpl's only meant for use in descriptions of files copied over from Commons. This latest change is for getting rid of  and displaying an 'error' that this template should only ever be used in the File namespace in all other instances. There is (as far as I can tell) consensus for these changes (see PC-XT's explanation and the links at the top of this thread). — Lfdder (talk) 14:37, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Yes, the first edit was simply to remove the notice, not handle the File namespace. I pasted the template into the sandbox, then edited it. Are you saying I should have substituted it in the first edit, before making changes? (I used sandbox diff to compare, and didn't think to make an extra first edit.) The main links are: TfD, File namespace discussion and template followup discussion including this sandbox. Sorry for the confusion. —PC-XT+ 21:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also note that the other two templates in that last discussion, ( and ,) were deleted and WP:SALTed. This one was only spared for use in File namespace because of its relationship with Commons, which has a similar template. We felt an error was in order, and this is more informative than the red template name. (The commons version has a different error handling method, using categories, but so far nobody has suggested that such is needed, here, though it could easily be added.) Suggested testcases: try it on some Files (preview) to see no change between sandbox and current version, then try it anywhere else for the error message from the sandbox. —PC-XT+ 21:43, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

text: I've changed the tpl in the sandbox to use Module:Namespace detect and set up some testcases.  what do you think? — Lfdder (talk) 12:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

text: Done —  (t • e • c) 15:53, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. You need to purge the tpl for the doc changes to take effect. — Lfdder (talk) 16:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Never mind, it seems us peasants can also purge. — Lfdder (talk) 19:19, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Any user can WP:PURGE a page. There's been a "[purge]" link at the top of template doc boxes since  - longer than I've been around. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't purge fully-protected templates. — Lfdder (talk) 19:55, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes you can;  has just tried it, and if they can do it, so can any user who is not blocked. Please note that a WP:PURGE is not the same as editing a page and saving it - that's a WP:NULLEDIT. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Right then, whatever it is, I can't apply doc changes to fully-protected templates. — Lfdder (talk) 20:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I really don't see why not. The prot level of a template is not inherited by its doc page; and if IP editors (and Redrose64a) can go to a full-prot template, click the "[edit]" link at the top of the green documentation box, edit the doc page, save it, return to the template, click the "[purge]" link at the top of the green documentation box and see an update, there's no reason why you should not be able to do the same. The only difference between the purge action for IPs and for logged-in users is that when an IP clicks the "[purge]" link at the top of the doc page, the purge isn't actioned immediately - instead they get an extra page which reads: Clear the cache of this page?Purging a page clears the cache and forces the most current revision to appear. But once that "Yes" button is clicked, there is no difference from any registered user. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:10, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems I can apply some changes, but, for example, I've subst'ed Template:Arabicnav in the doc of Template:Lang-ar, but it's still transcluded. — Lfdder (talk) 21:57, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It's possible that your computer is showing a locally-cached copy. Try a WP:BYPASS; in Firefox, for example, this is  --Redrose64 (talk) 23:21, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Followup edit request 

message: Please apply my sandbox edit. It imports Commons’ markup, which provides consistent layout with the Commons version, and (more importantly) helps CommonsMetadata to extract the description itself, so the “English:” text doesn’t appear in the extracted metadata. Thanks in advance, —Tacsipacsi (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Done DannyS712 (talk) 22:07, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Import markup from Commons 

message: Replace Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 May 2#File namespace language templates with Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 May 9#File namespace language templates, the discussion has been relisted. TheTVExpert (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template-protected edit request on 9 May 2020 

message: The usage instructions should explain when and where this template should be used. By my count, it is used on 3482 File pages in English Wikipedia, meaning that the overwhelming majority of File pages do not use it. Should they? If not, when is it called for? More specifically, if it is intended that any Wiki editor who thinks, "This file might be moved to commons someday" should slap this template into the file, where does it go? If  is used, is  to be used with the description parameter only, or with some others as well? If one expects that the template is to assist human editors, it doesn't matter much, but if one expects that there are automated processes that do something with it, it could matter a lot. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Primarily, it's a Commons template, see c:Template:En, where it's for wrapping English-language text in file descriptions (because Commons is multi-lingual). As to why it's here, sometimes a commons file that is heavily used here is copied here, with the  template copied verbatim. Thus, any templates that might be used inside that will also need to be mirrored here. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:04, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Redrose64: OK ... for what it's worth, I've removed all transclusions of this template from English Wikipedia outside File space except for 3 User .js pages and one Help Desk archive in Wikipedia space where the user was asking a question about why the template displayed badly. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:49, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  When to use