Talk:Pinus jeffreyi

message: An item which might be worth including on the page for the Jeffrey Pine, but I have only heard this (folk legend), so it needs to be verified before inclusion.  The pinecone of the mature Jeffrey Pine is so large and heavy that it has knocked out (or even killed) people when they are hit by the pinecone falling from the tall tree.  SaturnCat (talk) 23:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In that the largest cones are less than ten inches long, I suspect a different pine (perhaps Coulter pine) is meant.--Curtis Clark (talk) 03:24, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legend of dangerous cones? 

message: I edited the page to add an image of a stand of Jeffrey Pine growing east of the Sierra Nevada.  The image shows different age classes of Jeffrey Pine, and it provides a better view of a mature specimen.jhodlof  —Preceding undated comment added 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image added 

message: I edited this to change the sort order on the page for the :Category:Pinus.  It had been set to alphabetize under Pine.  That might make sense for categories where there are a lot of trees and a few of them are pines; then all the pines group together.  But on the page where everything is a pine, it made more sense to alphabetize under Jeffrey.    140.147.236.194 (talk) 15:07, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit to improve sort order in category Pinus 

message: I would like to see someone who is familiar with both Jeffrey and Ponderosa pine edit the descriptions of the smell of both in both articles. I am not familiar with Jeffrey Pine, but I am personally familiar with the smell of Ponderosa Pine. It smells like vanilla to me and other people I know. I usually need to get my nose right next to the bark to smell it, but sometimes it is noticeable in a grove of trees on a hot day. The decriptions in both articles seem confusing and wrong to me because of this personal knowledge. Maybe Jeffrey has a stronger, more obvious smell or something else to distinguish it, but as they both seem to have the vanilla component, could someone please edit both articles appropriately? Feel free to delete this post after the editing is done. Thanks, Arthropod (talk) 04:03, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Personal familiarity isn't the key factor here: that would be original research, which goes against the guidelines of the encyclopedia. Given that perceived scent may vary by person, and that people may mix up Ponderosa Pine and Jeffrey Pine, I think it's best to rely on reliable sources, such as natural history guides or botany guides. If you can find a reliable source that says that Ponderosa Pines smell like vanilla, then we can put that in. In the meanwhile, we have a reliable source that says that Ponderosa Pine does not smell like vanilla (Schoenherr's Natural History of California). Editors at Talk:Ponderosa Pine have not yet found reliable sources that say that Ponderosa Pines smell like vanilla. —hike395 (talk) 05:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a published reference in support of Arthropod's observation (which I and many of my friends in Oregon, beyond the range of Jeffrey pine, have also commonly made). "Ponderosa pine...is best recognized by its...cinnamon-coloured scaly bark that smells of vanilla in the hot sun." The source is a widely used field guide in the Pacific Northwest: Pojar and MacKinnon, 1994, "Plants of the Pacific Northwest Coast," p.38 (in the entry for shore pine). These can be difficult species to distinguish--as far as I know, Jeffrey pine's downward curving scale barbs and generally larger cones are the most reliable field characteristics. Having just returned from a trip to an area where both species exist, I can attest--at least if the cone-based characters did not fail me in identifying the trees correctly--that smell is not a helpful diagnostic in distinguishing the two (sample size of two individuals). It would be great to push back against this common claim which doesn't hold up at least for many people. OminousBagel (talk) 16:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  --- I edited this article to remove the distinction of scent with Pinus ponderosa, and edited that page to include a source to its possible vanilla scent. —hike395 (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description (smell) of Jeffrey Pine vs. Ponderosa pine 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Whitebark Pine which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 03:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: — Assignment last updated by Rostheboat04 (talk) 06:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Wiki Education assignment: California Natural History

message: I will be adding a sentence about how the pine sap was crystallized and eaten, as well as small details related to John Jeffrey's discovery of this species. For the latter, I will create a Taxonomy section in the page. NikoPico (talk) 17:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding use of sap and discovery details