Talk:Moldovenism

message: Moldovenism is both a political ideology and an interpretation of historical events relating to the the interpretation of historical events ? Could you expound on that ?
was only part of that for a little over 20 years - when you know the exact numbers, put them. 
Compared to the hundreds of years spent as part of Russia, the Ottoman Empire, and the principality of Moldavia. - I think putting exact numbers (if you know them) here would do no harm.
: BTW, neither Moldavia nor Wallachia nor Transylvania were ever part of the Ottoman Empire. They were suzerain states, i.e. the Ottomans controlled the foreign policy, but not the internal administration, which had to pay an anual tribute to the Ottomans. Only two Romanian territories were part of the Ottoman Empire: Dobruja, which was part of the Silistra pashalik and the Banat, part of the Buda pashalik. bogdan 16:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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message: The article stayed without references for a few weeks, so I re-wrote it completely, this time having references. If anyone wants to add information (yes, Node, I mean you :-), then he should provide a source, otherwise, the changes would be reverted as original research. bogdan 13:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're a liar. You didn't give references. You gave a reference. And you didn't reference each statement, and your rewrite was misleading, and you deleted information, and the list goes on. Did I re-write Anti-Romanianism? No; parst of the original article are still intact, it has been reformatted, fiery rhetoric toned down, questionable statements either referenced or removed, and although it is still not as good as it probably should be, it is considerably better now than it was at the beginning. Please see wiki. You, Constantzeanu, Bonaparte, Anittas, and many other people seem to have the idea that Wiki is about replacing one version with another. You guys like to revert rather than make changes. You like to delete all existing text and start over. That's not what Wiki is about. When you see that somebody has added information to a page which you dispute, you shouldn't revert them, but instead go and fix the errors as if no previous version existed. Guidelines on reversion suggest that it should only be used for vandalism or disputed changes which are really extremely major, such as what you did here (replacing the entire content of the page rather than adding and removing statements and sources). Particularly telling is that 90% of your rewrite of the page was included in the original. You may as well have provided sources for those statements which are reinforced by your source from the rewrite, and added  after those statements which you disputed or which you did not dispute but for which there remained no source. --Node 11:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, we are all very evil! I think we should all be shot! SHOT! Actually, the whole Romanian conspiracy of liars and revertists should be identified by a "special Moldovenist commission" and then tortured. Confessions should be extracted and only then shot. I nominate Node ue as head of this "special commission". Constantzeanu 05:07, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

text:  Of course, I suppose you think wiki is only about screaming "YOU'RE A LIAR!!" in talk pages and complaining when your unsourced and false information is removed. bogdan 06:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
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message: Actually, there are some interesting papers on moldovenism. I think you could add a few links, at least. 
Yet, I think you sould mention that moldovenism is a xenofobic and racist ideology. In the opinion of some observers, Moldovenism, like fascism, tends to be a totalitarian doctrine, as it breeds hatred and the notion of superiority of the “Moldovans” over the Romanians. The mass media supporting the so-called "Moldovenism ideology" (particularly "Moldova suverana" [Sovereign Moldova] and “Nezavisimaya Moldova” [Independent Moldova]) have published denigrating articles against Romanians in general, and entire Romania as a neighbouring country. They also disseminated libellous statements about those members of the RM society who identify themselves as Romanians.--Eirin 03:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Take that, unionist losers. The article now pretty much says the same thing as when I penned it in the first place. I win! --Node 06:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't you think that childish statements like this only work to discredit you? Vox Populi (TSO) 21:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, but it's true. --Node 00:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, the current version is the one written by me. :-) bogdan 21:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting how you changed your mind in the end to agree with me... --Node 00:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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message: I inserted 4 "dubious" marks in the "early history" section:
# Dubious statement 1: After the union of the Romanian Principalities in 1859 and the creation of Romania, the term Moldovan as an ethnic descriptor gradually fell out of use in Romania. First of all, this statement contradicts the previous 2 statements, which say that the term Moldovan was based on geography, and not on ethnicity. Second, there's no source on that.
#:The emphasis, though, is on ethnic descriptor. After the union, it was used almost exclusively as a regional term rather than having an ethnic meaning. TSO1D 23:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Early history

message: moldovenism is based on the fact that the rep. of moldova is the succesor of the old Principality of Moldavia. let's review some data.
45% of the Principality of Moldavia is in romania, 30% in rep.of moldova, 20% in ucraine. there are 7 mil (9 milion if counting the moldovans in other parts of romania) romanian moldovans and 3 milion in rep of moldova. so the large majority of people of the Principality of Moldavia declared themself romanians.
so the real name of the language and name of rep.of moldova should be the besserabian language and the rep. of besserabia. also there is no real great besserabian to be used as a symbol in the history of the state since stephan the great is, as i stated above, romanian. actualy the majority international renown moldovans considered them self romanian. their name is obvius.
actualy besserabia never left romania because of the will of the people, each time it was military conquered and each time illegal.
the founder of the the current rep.of moldova is stalin not the besserabian people.
actualy the whole theory is so...not true that it would have been impossible to impose in a democratic free state.--Prometeu (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't recall any ellections in Besarabia when it was occupied by Romania after the fall of the Russian Empire. 78.104.124.103 (talk) 21:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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