Talk:Bradford/Archive 1

message: Like the bit about "Less successful BCFC". leave that. And what do you mean "German page is better than the English one"? That's crap.--Crestville 21:53, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poor BCFC 

message: I've removed some vandalism by Crestville referring to Frank Stott and Brendan Lalor (I'm sure it's funny to the vandal), but 212.111.154.251 also changed the ethnic minority population percentage from 19% to 36%. I have no idea if this is correct or not, but this is the only contribution made by this IP and they don't cite sources. Anyone know the correct stat? (I did a quick search but nothing came up that I could see). Meesham 15:11, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I find it quite incredible that such an important place on the Metro (West Yorkshire) scheme of things has nothing whatsoever on its article about transport: there is precious little about its Geography anyway! And as for History .... Its links with Leeds and much else in West Yorkshire deserves better than this!!!! Peter Shearan 18:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It does now. I added a transport section in Nov 2005. ColinFine 14:18, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Good work, much improved. Don't stop there ;-) MGSpiller 21:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Railways 

message: The image of the proposed Alsop regeneration plan has been deleted. A notice has been on the talk page of the uploader since Feb & there has been no response so it could well have been copyrighted. Has anyone taken a picture of the model themselves which they would be prepared to upload?MGSpiller 00:32, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alsop Image 

message: The reference is supposed to help explain why this article, while about the urban area of Bradford, which most people would expect to be the city, is not in fact a city at all while the City of Bradford article about the metropolitan/municiple district is the article about the entity with city status. I've lived here 80% of my life & until I spent half an hour following links round 'pedia I didn't understand that point.MGSpiller 01:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  medway minutes 

message: (I've moved this section to the end, as Talk pages are usually newest last.)
I believe that Bradford college seems to be associated with Leeds Uni now and not Bradford Uni. The college seem to be going through a re-branding exercise.
:You're half right: it's Leeds Met (not Leeds Uni), according to their web page. I'll correct it. ColinFine 23:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is mentioned at Bradford Canal, but not on the main Bradford page. I'll add something.ColinFine 23:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Things to Consider 

message: I've removed the following from the introductory section of the article: "Bradford is a very cosmopolitan city with inhabitants of all nationalities and religions. It also owns a very acitve nightlife, with pounding, pounding techno music."
I'm sure that there should be something about Bradford's cosmopolitan nature, and probably also about its nightlife. But I'm also sure that this is not it! ColinFine 21:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We got our first Starbucks this year. True.--Crestville 22:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cosmopolitan, Nightlife 

message: Can anyone help me? I don't know what to so with this. I want to write about the famous incident in 1858 in which seventeen people died and 200 or so others were taken ill after eating peppermint lozanges accidently adulterated with arsnic. At the time it was commonplace for food to be adulterated (for example chalk would be mixed with flour, etc) and sugar was often mixed with "daft" (plaster of paris) to make the sweets heavier. The sweets were sold in Bradford market, having been purchased from a sweetshop in the town. The sweetshop owner obtained the plaster of paris from a druggist (Mr Hodgson - a possible relation of mine) from Shipley, who was ill  that day. He sent a young employee to get the plaster of paris but he accidently used arsenic. Each lozange contained enough arsnic to kill two people.
I think this is a facinating peice of our history and led to legislation banning the adulteration of goods. however, I'm not sure if it warrents its own article of where I could fit it into this one. Until that point, here are two accounts for anyone interested.  --Crestville 20:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds to me as if it merits an article of its own. Be bold! Write it - if somebody doesn't agree, they can always fold it into the main article. ColinFine 08:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

text: What about The Bradford Sweet Poisoning- Chris Q 13:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Consider it writen, my children.--Crestville 17:39, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bradford Sweet Poisoning of 1858 

message: I am sure that the lengthy section on the history of Bradford Cathedral should be moved to that article. Would the writer of the section like to do that?
I am doubtful whether the long list of churches belongs in an encyclopaedia, but if it does, it should not be in the Bradford article. I suggest that if it's worth keeping, the various churches should be discussed in the articles for the various localities (Allerton, Baildon etc) with perhaps a 'List of Churches in Bradford' article. ColinFine 19:04, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've taken out this piece "The Abundant Life Centre, (formerly called the Abundant Life Church) is the home of a charismatic, evangelical Christian church. The building is modern, low and unassuming, but it is visible from most of central Bradford, as it is sited high up on the eastern side of Bradfordale."  There is an article on ALC elsewhere and if there isn't a list of churches, mosques etc I don't think one merits a mention in the article -there is already reference to the "House Church" movement which is historically significant  and Firth say unequivocally that it is from Old English brad ('broad'). I haven't got Ekwall. --ColinFine 20:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cathedral and churches 

message: I have just removed the sentence "Bradford is believed to be the only town in Britain which had a Reform synagogue before an Orthodox synagogue", added by RolandR. While it is true that quite a lot of this article is unsourced, most of it is straight facts that can easily be checked. But phrases like 'is believed to be' do not belong in Wikipedia (See Weasel words). If you have a source for this, please restore it, with references: otherwise it is not encyclopaedic. --ColinFine 10:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a "well-known fact", but difficult to find a reliable reference for. I have cited a reference in Architectural Review, which should be available in a good library, and is online for subscribers only at JSTOR. A Google search will confirm that the source includes the statement. RolandR 20:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Synagogue 

message: Can i add Bradford Amateur Rowing Club to the sports section? or is it only for proffessional sports clubs?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allie cabab (talk • contribs) 20:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "professional only" rule, the rule is notability. Looking at the article I think that it is probably not sufficiently notable to be part of the Bradford page. There are many sports and clubs in the city, so unless there is some special way it is significant to the city it probably wouldn't count. However, the rule is "be bold", so why not add it and see what people think. Don't spend a long time writing too much though, it may not last. -- Q Chris (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sports 

message: This is getting to the size where it needs splitting off into a separate article what do you think? --Nate1481( t/c) 16:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Redirect leaving only most notable such as JB priestly sir Titus salt, Eric Anderson VC, Richard Dunn, Richard Whiteley, the brontes --Nate1481( t/c) 11:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

text: After reading this I see what you are doing tidying it up. I think it may be worth leaving one, or maybe two "pop" personalities in the list. Wikipedia is used by a lot of people and maybe a young person moving to Bradford for example would find that more relevant than The Brontë sisters, Richard Oastler, etc. -- Q Chris 09:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

text: My feeling is that for a pop star to be on the reduced list they should have stood the test of time a bit.  With all due respect to them, I can't imagine Gareth Gates and Kimberley Walsh being well remembered in five or ten years time.  If they become the next Elvis or Madonna, then, by all means, reinstate them. Nick Watts 11:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what my opinion on that is! On the one hand I agree that they are unlikely to be remembered in the future. On the other hand Wikipedia is not constrained in the same way that printed encyclopedias are, in that there will not be thousands of ten year old editions lying around looking dated. Would there be any harm in leaving them in for a year or so? Anyway I will go with whatever people decide. -- Q Chris 12:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think leave them for now I haven't heard of garath in news recently but that says very little as didn't even recognise the other name just the group (I hate manufactured pop...) --Nate1481( t/c) 12:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of notable Bradfordians 

message: :After reading this I see what you are doing tidying it up. I think it may be worth leaving one, or maybe two "pop" personalities in the list. Wikipedia is used by a lot of people and maybe a young person moving to Bradford for example would find that more relevant than The Brontë sisters, Richard Oastler, etc. -- Q Chris 09:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My feeling is that for a pop star to be on the reduced list they should have stood the test of time a bit.  With all due respect to them, I can't imagine Gareth Gates and Kimberley Walsh being well remembered in five or ten years time.  If they become the next Elvis or Madonna, then, by all means, reinstate them. Nick Watts 11:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what my opinion on that is! On the one hand I agree that they are unlikely to be remembered in the future. On the other hand Wikipedia is not constrained in the same way that printed encyclopedias are, in that there will not be thousands of ten year old editions lying around looking dated. Would there be any harm in leaving them in for a year or so? Anyway I will go with whatever people decide. -- Q Chris 12:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think leave them for now I haven't heard of garath in news recently but that says very little as didn't even recognise the other name just the group (I hate manufactured pop...) --Nate1481( t/c) 12:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: who to leave in

message: I removed this line:
:The Abundant Life Church is one of the biggest in the UK.
The Abundant Life Church probably does warrant a mention, the above sentence is meaningless. The biggest what? Not church physically by any means. Does it mean one of the biggest congregations? Perhaps, though this would need a reference (KICC claims 10,000 members , but it is still possible that this is out on its own and that Abundant Life Church is one of the largest). Perhaps it means one of the largest Abundant Life Churches? If so, aren't there only a couple of them so this is rather redundant. It would be better to simply say that the head quarters of the Abundant life church is in Bradford. -- Q Chris 08:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. I've re-added the statement, with a citeation from thier website. I just feel it's silly to not include ALM, when it's faily large, although I do take you're point that you make above. 213.123.199.183 (talk) 09:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no objection to it being re-added with references, and your wording certainly avoided the above problems. However I can see someone removed it. I guess the reason was that it was a one sentence paragraph, and appeared non-encyclopaedic. I have attempted to add your entry to the paragraph on nonconformity, which seems to be the right place. -- Q Chris (talk) 10:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed: The [[Abundant Life Church]] is one of the biggest in the UK. 

message: Shouldn't there be a demographics paragraph in the article as well? There is one in the German Wikipedia article. I mean for a city this size and importance ...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.128.109 (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that graph missing perhaps because Bradford has a Muslim majority (according to news reports at least)? I fully support a demographics graph addressing the issue, which I take to be pretty relevant in a country and a city that has had a huge Christian majority for about 1,000 years. Aussiesta (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Demographics are here: City of Bradford#Demographics . Though some areas of Bradford have a muslim majority, across the district as a whole more than three-quarters of the population are white. -- NRTurner (talk) 14:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What a clever way of sweeping it under the carpet. The city itself is less than 50% white, and the vast majority of others are Asian and/or Muslim. Anyone looking at this article without local knowledge would have no idea of this.--MartinUK (talk) 18:04, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'city' of Bradford may appear to be so but I'm under the impression that demographics are published by local authority so they will be skewed by areas like Queensbury, Haworth and Ilkley which are more pro-dominantly white. Obviously if some reliable statistics for the 'city' can be found then those can be included, but I stand by my comment that different areas of Bradford have very different demographics. -- NRTurner (talk) 20:17, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  demographics 

message: Wikipedia wants a citation.  I don't know about that, but certain scenes during the song "Every sperm is sacred" have clearly been shot in front of Cartwright Hall in Lister Park, North Bradford. 79.69.143.146 (talk) 21:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Don't know how accurate the source is but it confirms this. -- NRTurner (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Monty Python's "The Meaning of Life" 

message: I petition that this information should stay in under Popular Culture. It has the UK's longest running podcast feed (October 2004), is an international award-winning show and has listeners from pole to pole (i.e. north of the arctic circle to antarctica). They have also interviewed the likes of Brian Aldiss, Robin hardy (The Wicker Man), S.T. Joshi and many others. They were also sponsors of this year's Fantastic Films Weekend at the National Media Museum. -- PM68 (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Yog Radio 

message: To say this is a major city, with its own dedicated WikiProject, I'm horrified by the state of this article, particularly the lead! What's happening here? If there's no objection, I'd like to fix up the lead this evening. --Jza84 |  Talk   15:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made some changes with this diff. I don't pretend to know much about the city, and I'm aware that some material may pertain to the wider borough, but it's certainly more befitting to Braford that it had been. Hope it helps, --Jza84 |  Talk   18:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for taking the time to improve the article. Keith D (talk) 01:13, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Much better, makes the city sound more appealing :) NRTurner (talk) 09:59, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Worst lead ever? 

message: There is not a large Indian population See Mixing in Bradford. I have therefore reverted the claim that there was large-scale immigration from India. I am pretty sure there are more Polish immigrants than Indian now, though they are not yet on any census data. -- Q Chris (talk) 08:26, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As stated elsewhere, the CITY of Bradford is less than half white. The metropolitan area is more like 3/4 white because it includes some outlying areas which are more rural and less industrialised. Correct that most of the non-whites are Pakistani Muslim rather than Indian Hindu/Sikh--MartinUK (talk) 11:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian population 

message: In preparation for the next release of the Wiki-CD is there any chance of addressing the maintenance tags in the article, there are only a couple to look at? The article also has problems with several of the existing references and external links that are not working or require a password to access.  Keith D (talk) 11:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wiki-CD preperation 

message: Can anyone help to verify "Bradford's only Television station AAP TV ", please. The website is blank--Harkey (talk) 16:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aap TV 

message: May be worth mentioning that a report in the 1980s ranked St. Luke's hospital as having some of the worst stats in the country, including the classic marker of infant mortality.
I forget the name of the report, but IIRC it was a nationwide one so shouldn't be too hard to find.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.152.167 (talk) 03:44, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If its from the 80s I would say that it should only be put there if you also have recent stats. This would indicate continual badness or improvement. -- Q Chris (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Luke's 

message: I suggest that, in line with consensus achieved at Leeds, the article currently located at City of Bradford be renamed Local government in Bradford, with City of Bradford re-directing to Bradford proper, which can then begin "Bradford is a city and metropolitan district..."  There is no evidence whatsoever that there remains today a settlement called Bradford, with borders identical to those of the city and municipal borough abolished 35 years ago, as distinct from the present enlarged local government district of that name. Chrisieboy (talk) 10:10, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I would approve of that, we seem to be out of step with all the other metropolitan cities/boroughs that I have checked, such as Leeds, Liverpool, and Birmingham. The current start would not make sense to anyone who did not know that we are talking about some historic area rather than the official city. -- Q Chris (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Agreed. The opening summary does not read well as it is. The Leeds model looks good. NRTurner (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Bradford 

message: There seem to be problems regarding the Bradistan issue. Some may disagree with the nickname on pejorative grounds, but it clearly exists. To me, it is a simple portmanteau, and on a parallel with Londonistan. I have no agenda here - I simply want the article to reflect the city as honestly as it can and have personally spent many hours bringing the page up to an acceptable standard over the past few months (clearly there is some way to go). Reverting seemingly valid changes on the grounds of 'vandalism' seems to me to be somewhat excessive.
Thisrain (talk) 00:00, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have any references to who uses it, how widely it is used and in what context? I have only heard it used by a few white supremacists, and frankly if we changed the whole of wikipedia to suit their view it would be pretty useless. Also note that "Londonistan" does not appear on the London page and the article seems to refer to the book and then to Islam in London -- Q Chris (talk) 07:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

text: It is hardly the same as a recognised place name like "Little Germany". I have not seen any other city include insulting nicknames in their articles. -- Q Chris (talk) 18:51, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: For what it's worth, I have lived in Bradford for nearly 35 years, worked in local government for over 20, and I've never heard it used.  If someone can find a reference in one of the local papers to it, then that might source a legitimate usage, but I've never seen it used in the T&A (even in the letters page, although I suspect they probably censor that)Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here, only heard it once on a documentary on the BNP by some skinhead, and never read it before the attempt to add it to this article, though I have only lived here 11 years. -- Q Chris (talk) 09:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

text: Why would a local paper use a term which some Muslims consider derogatory. They'd be blwon up pretty soon afterwards. People are naturally wary of using it in speech in Bradford, for the same reason. Searching the web finds references in The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/jun/04/pressandpublishing.g2 - also note the East Is East use this mentions), BBC Asian Network (http://www.bbc.co.uk/asiannetwork/asiannation/story/19709.shtml), Sarfraz Manzoor writing for UTV's website (http://u.tv/News/Bradford-reflects-on-many-shades-of-Englishness/a8284c38-7eb8-425c-b402-17daf1bbac36) and The Statesman (http://www.thestatesman.net/page.arcview.php?clid=3&id=127356&usrsess=1) among others. Any problems with those?--MartinUK (talk) 09:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm not sure that muslims do find the term derogatory, to be honest. If anything, I'd say it reinforces a sense of unity and belonging within the community. We can be in no doubt that muslims have colonised large swathes of the city, and their voice is of no less importance in this article. I agree that its usage by non-muslims is where we could see problems, but that doesn't mean wikipedia should pander to oversensitivity. The term exists, and has been clearly referenced. Thisrain (talk) 13:25, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've heard it used loads, both derogatively and comically, the souces show it exists so it should be included & noted that it may be considered offensive. --Natet/c 14:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Bradistan issue 

message: There is a proposal at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_England#City_disambiguation that affects this article. If passed, it would alter some of the links to this article and related content. The full details and rationale are found at WT:ENGLAND. --Jza84 |  Talk   12:24, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation of cities 

message: I've just reverted an edit by User:Sir Stanley, because it added information that was already in the article . Also, it wasn't entirely correct - firstly, Bradford's Jewish population is now small, compared to what it was at the time the synagogues referred to were built, and secondly the truncated description of the two occasions of race riots was significantly flawed.  Happy to discuss further. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Duplication of info 

message: The lead of the article concludes:  "Bradford is often cited as one of the prime examples of 'parallel communities', where the population is effectively segregated along ethnic, cultural and faith lines.[7][dead link]"
Searching yorkshireandthehumber, it appears that her majesty's new government feels that facts for now are things best kept hidden:  go archives seem to be unavailable.  Anyone feel motivated to do some digging -- to get around the road block? - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 17:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  link rot 

message: Hello. Would anyone have a picture of the Unity Hall at Rawson Square in Bradford ? The building has been used as a meeting place for the theosophical society in the early 20th century. It would useful for an article (cottingley fairies) on wp.fr. Many thanks. A t ar a x i e--parler 10:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if this is the building you are looking for but there is this image on Geograph project that can be used. There is an exercise in progress to upload all of the Geograph images to Commons so if you use it upload directly to Commons rather than local wiki. Keith D (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unity Hall 

message: I've removed a paragraph on Salts Mill, and the photo. This is an article on Bradford the city, not the Met Borough, which has an article at City of Bradford. The City of, and the Saltaire articles are the proper locations for information on Salts Mill. Bradford is not, for the simple reason that the mill is not in Bradford. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of Salts Mill 

message: The External links list is sprawling out of control with the vast majority being out of sync with Wikipedia's policies on WP:EL and WP:SPAM. I'd recommend a radical trim-down, so we're more inline with Manchester or London. -- Jza84 · (talk) 15:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Queensbury was not part of Bradford until 1974 (I live there). Prior to that it was part of the Queensbury and Shelf Urban District, and prior to 1937 an independent village. I have no idea of weather there would be a majority of white people within the area that was Bradford before 1974, it might be possible to work this out by adding up ward statistics. -- Q Chris (talk) 14:01, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: But that would be original research, which is not allowed. A reliable secondary source would be needed.--Charles (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links 

message: For what it's worth and to avoid confusion about what constitutes Bradford, I would consign most of the Notable Bradfordians to  where they could be properly referenced and mention the truly notable where appropriate in the text. --J3Mrs (talk) 07:16, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. That would "clean up" this article which seems to have too many sub-sections. I have reduced a few but needs more work. --Harkey (talk) 08:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notable people 

message: Regarding the crime issue, the current article states that the Reform Survey rated bradford 1st for gun crime in the UK. While the report did actually do this, they incorrectly used crime totals for the whole metropolitan city (City of Bradford pop 497k) but applied this to the 293,717 population area. The result was that all crime stats were doubled! They made exactly the same mistake for Leeds, but eventually issued an ammeneded report in June, which made Leeds drop from 2nd place in the country for crime, to around 14th. However, they did not ammend the mistake for Braford, but if you ring Reform up, their customer services will tell you that they did infact make the same mistake with Bradford. It seems because not as much fuss was made about bradford, they didnt re-publish a 3rd report with the ammended data. (damage limitation?)
The problem is, there is no sources specifying this error, other than contacting Reform. However, if you read the full report, the last few pages, it shows data sources, showing the crime data to be from the wider metro, but applying this mistakenly to the inner settlement. 
Anyone got a suggestion on what to do? One idea is to just remove the sentances about Reform, or to actually use data from ONS/HomeOffice. But Home Office data, just like with Leeds, is received from West Yorkshire Police, and no such crime data exists on the historical county borough area of Bradford. --Razorlax (talk) 01:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the crime section as none of the other major City Wikipedia pages have them,it's inclusion seems like negative editing.BradfordPal1 (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:OSE is not a good rationale for blanking, particularly when perfectly good articles such as Nottingham#Crime exist. Fæ (talk) 21:53, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

text: The Leeds article has some details under "Metropolitan district" and also in the City of Leeds article. It is obviously details that you would expect to find in the article, especially the riot details, to be balanced. We should not be removing text just because it is negative as we should be portraying both positive and negative things about the place. Keith D (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crime In Bradford 

message: The problem with this article is that bits of information, some referenced, have been dumped just anywhere, even if there is a more appropriate place already containing the same information. Every editor who has added stuff has added "in Bradford" which surely isn't necessary. I intend to incorporate some notable citizens into the text and will be removing the unreferenced list soon.--J3Mrs (talk) 09:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The problem with this article 

message: Just to point out that some one has been changing occurrences of "Bradford" to "the City" in the article, again underlining the stupidity of the current article names. -- Q Chris (talk) 12:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed some of the multiple Bradford's to "the city to avoid tedious and boring repetition, is this a problem? It's quite obvious to me what I mean.--J3Mrs (talk) 13:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is a problem while we are referring to the City of Bradford Metropolitan district as the City of Bradford. It is not your edit that I criticise but the article names. If we maintain that "the City of Bradford" obviously and unambiguously refers to the metropolitan district (as some have in many discussions) then this implies that "the city" should not be used to refer to the settlement, as covered in this article. -- Q Chris (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  More confusion 

message: To avoid confusion I suggest whe City of Bradford Wards in Governance be removed as they are in the other article and not relevant here.--J3Mrs (talk) 15:56, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for re-adding the info on Salts Mill + the Bronte birthplace. I was simply trying to add refs for info that was removed purportedly for lack of sources in the previous edit summary. Maybe I can be accused of being hasty and not reading this talk page, but I am certainly no sockpuppet of anyone!!--Harkey (talk) 11:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I should have informed you that your additions were being subsumed in the ongoing edit war. Three IPs have now been used to re-add this text so page semi-protection may be needed.--Charles (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Please remember that wikipedia is not the place to make personal attacks and that you are expected to treat other editors with civility and that the talk page is to discuss specific suggestions to make the article better as based on wikipedia policies and what reliable sources say.Active Banana  (bananaphone 19:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It becomes vandalism when it is persistently reinserted against consensus of several experienced editors, inspite of blocks and using sockpuppet acounts.--Charles (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: oh so close! Active Banana  (bananaphone 07:28, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: "You dont need to be einstein to know", but Wikipedia requires more than an editors inherrent knowledge. It requires verified previous publication in reliable sources.Active Banana  (bananaphone 20:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

text: If you and your son dont want to follow wikipedias policies regarding edit warring and citing  a reliable published source when content is challenged - you are perfectly free not to participate in this stalinst regime. Active Banana  (bananaphone 07:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It is the HOW he behaved that was vandalistic/disruptive. Active Banana  (bananaphone 18:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: And you appear to be determined to follow in his path. Like son like father. Active Banana  (bananaphone 19:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

text: It seems that an edit war is again going on. Further additions of Brontë / Salt info against consensus will result in the article being locked and sanctions against those concerned. BradfordPal1, I would refer you to WP:MEAT, which you would do well to read. You yourself stated the position, that the Brontë's were born in Thornton, which was not incorporated into Bradford until long after they died. Brontë info belongs in the Thornton article, and Salt's info belongs in the Saltaire article. This is the established consensus of a number of editors. Mjroots (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant what I said, which is why I've blocked the offender for 24 hours after a reversion of my rollback. Mjroots (talk) 20:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed both Salt and yet again the Brontes. I have also moved the Bingley Music Festival to Bingley. I did however add a bit of history about Bradford and renamed some headings.--J3Mrs (talk) 07:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion 

message: Article says: After World War Two migrants came from Poland and Ukraine and since the 1950s from Bangladesh, India and particularly Pakistan[19].
Souce says: The most recent migrations to Bradford, which took place from the mid-1950s onwards, also brought the largest influx of people to the city. These migrants came from Pakistan and from the New Commonwealth countries in Africa, the Caribbean and Asia.
Needs correcting! --Adammq (talk) 20:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a wiki. Feel free to add this if you have suitable references.--Charles (talk) 21:45, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I have no idea why this information was removed other than your contentious editing of other aspects of this article.--J3Mrs (talk) 13:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It may be because you keep using inline external links rather than references. Keith D (talk) 16:31, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

text: I have remove all of the entries from the list which are non-notable by virtue of not having a wiki article. Create the articles on them before adding entries to the list. Keith D (talk) 23:51, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

text: In the case of William Rothenstein there was no wikilink but the name was linked to an external link so I assumed that they did not have an article. Each entry should have an article for the name to link to and a reference to a reliable source that shows that they have a connection to Bradford. Keith D (talk) 17:31, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: For existing articles just put double square brackets around the article's title. No underscores are needed.--Charles (talk) 21:42, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: New articles can be created - see Wikipedia:Your first article. Keith D (talk) 22:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Recent History 

message: Craven is also a ward of Bradford Metropolitan Council. There are two Thornton villages with  Bradford post codes. I propose that one of the Bronte sisters, (Anne), has born in Thornton "on the outskirts of Bradford" tagged on to her Bradfordian list info . Of course the Thornton link would stay.BradfordPal1 (talk) 18:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Unnecessary as the list is People from Bradford and there is only 1 Thornton in Bradford. Post codes are irrelevant. Keith D (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: At the risk of opening an old debate this would only belong in the City of Bradford area, which covers Bradford Metropolitan District, and not this article that only covers the settlement. -- Q Chris (talk) 06:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The List of people from Bradford article covers the City of Bradford, Bradford is implied without it being mentioned.--J3Mrs (talk) 07:18, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, that makes sense. Wouldn't the discussion be better on that article though?
Obviously the list covers all of the City of Bradford, that said there are two Thorntons withinn a fifteen mile radius of Haworth both with Bradford post codes, to add to the confusion Craven is also a ward of the Bradford Met Council, it seems to me that not to stipulate which one is the Bronte birthplace once again does wikipedias reputation no good, this sort of slack editing isn't good enough. The Thornton village link is irrelevant in regards to users that don't click onto it.BradfordPal1 (talk) 11:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

text: The only one confusing the issue is User:BradfordPal1 and he seems determined to confuse everyone else to get his own way.--J3Mrs (talk) 12:12, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If there was more than one in West Yorkshire the dab on Thornton, West Yorkshire would be something else. There is no other Thornton in the Gazette that fits - post codes mean nothing in terms of geography and are just for post office convenience. Keith D (talk) 12:29, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

text: You can make that a consensus of three again. Thornton-in-Craven is in North Yorkshire and is called Thornton-in-Craven. Thornton is in West Yorkshire and is called Thornton. There is a link to the article on the Thornton in question for anyone who is confused, so I see no need for any further disambiguation in the article.  Furthermore Thornton-in-Craven's nearest main town is Skipton. Skipton is not covered by the List of people from Bradford so there is no reason to suppose Thornton-in-Craven would be.Nick Watts (talk) 11:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

text: Make that a consensus of four. Thornton-in-Craven is in North Yorkshire and is called Thornton-in-Craven. Thornton is in West Yorkshire and is called Thornton. It's User:BradfordPal1's geography that's "odd".--Harkey (talk) 12:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I know there's a Bradford ward called Craven, but it doesn't take much nous to work out the right location, even for a person unfamiliar with the geography of the area.--Harkey (talk) 12:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also if someone was unfamiliar with the geography of the area I don't think that adding "on the outskirts of Bradford" would help them know which one anyway. -- Q Chris (talk) 15:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''on the outskirts of Bradford''' 

message: I'd like to add Ian Astbury to the Bradfordian list. He is the lead singer with the Bradford band The Cult. He was born on Merseyside but lived his early adult life in Bradford from approximately 1979 to 1985.BradfordPal1 (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This question has been discussed at length on your own talkpage, User_talk:BradfordPal1#Ian_Astbury. As you are unwilling or unable to provide a reference it looks like it's the same answer.--J3Mrs (talk) 18:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Ian Astbury''' 

message: It would be nice if this article could be protected from recent, persistent trolling from various IPs (probably the same editor).--J3Mrs (talk) 07:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trolling 

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message: It should be replaced by Bradford East. 
Would change myself, but page protected.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.45.160.230 (talk) 12:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks - done it! -- Q Chris (talk) 14:12, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradford North constituency has been abolished 

message: Sorry to bring this up again but it continually confuses people. Why don't we just combine them like Birmingham, Newcastle upon Tyne, Liverpool, Sheffield, etc, have a redirect and start with text " is a city and metropolitan borough" like the rest. We can always put in the detail that the borough has city status. -- Q Chris (talk) 11:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The reason those articles are combined is that the settlement and the district are approximately the same thing. That is not the case with Bradford and the others that have separate articles. With careful wording the confusion can be dealt with as per Salford, Greater Manchester and City of Salford which are both good articles. May be we should do what they have done there and have a dab page at Bradford and move the article to Bradford, West Yorkshire which is what was intended a couple of years ago  for articles of the dual format. The roll out of this stalled though as the one doing it is not that active at the moment. Keith D (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just passing by this page and not being a local, I would comment that this does seem to be an established policy: although how Birmingham is distinguished from Bradford (and Sutton Coldfield from Keighley etc) is a mystery.  What I find wrong is a seemingly-precise statement such as "Bradford has a population of 293,717, making it the fourteenth-most populous settlement in the United Kingdom."  That figure apparently refers to some ONS definition of an urban area but that is no more a "natural" or "correct" definition of the extent of Bradford than the local authority.  It would be better in my view for an article named for a traditional urban settlement to be mainly historical and most of the material about the present day to be included under the City of Bradford article.  But at present that is not the consensus so we have to switch between two articles to find the information we may be seeking.  Sussexonian (talk) 22:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  More confusion around this article and [[City of Bradford]] 

message: Quick edit-
Please update the "Vanquis" link to "Vanquis Bank" because the "Vanquis" page no longer exists.
Thanks :)
AlanWaitforitJohnson (talk) 09:03, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks for letting us know. Keith D (talk) 11:04, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 24 October 2012 

message: Please change "The Bradford Dragons basketball team who currently play in the EBL2 plays home games at Bradford Sports college in the Trinity Green campus on Saturday nights. The team is coached by former England under 23 player Chris Mellor." to "The Bradford Dragons Basketball team currently play in the England Basketball League in Division 1 and are coached by former England under 23 player Chris Mellor." As says on the Bradford Dragons Website http://www.bradforddragons.co.uk/wp/
94.168.255.62 (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Thanks. I have done the change. I have left the cite tag as the home page of the team's web site is not really specific to use as a cite and I could not locate a suitable page on the site to use. Keith D (talk) 12:15, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 5 April 2013 

message: I have changed the figure under the Early History section to 6,393, a figure I found in the book - .  The previous figure of 16,000 appears to have come from the site, visitbradford.  I favour the former as it is more precise and has a specific date.  The latter, I would wager, either refers to the population of the borough as a whole, not the settlement of Bradford, and thus would be more appropriate for the City of Bradford article, or refers to a time later in the 19th Century.  What do others think? Peaky76 (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early population figure 

message: The overall tone of the article is ridiculously positive, making Bradford sound like an earthly paradise. People who live there or know the city well won't be fooled by this, but outsiders will be seriously misled. Lets have a bit more balance people. --Ef80 (talk) 12:48, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: Hi, I noticed that the religion section it says 60% Christian, 16% Muslim, 13% no religion, 1% Hindu, 1% Sikh and 8% not stated. However, the section has 5 lines on Christian buildings, 2 lines on Hinduism, 1 line on Sikhism, 3 lines Judaism and 3 more lines on non-conformist Christians. Many people feel that Islam dominates Bradford, but this is not mentioned at all. Also, the Hindu population is described as sizeable, but the figures don't support this. 
Can this section be considered for revision to obtain more balance? I apologise for not doing it myself, but I lack the knowledge required. I would like to draw it to someone's attention however.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.217.76 (talk) 17:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion Section 

message: I've removed Pablo Fanque from the notable Bradfordians section as he only visited the town.Bradford4life (talk) 07:28, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pablo Fanque 

message: Add the following edit to the lead:
Bradford is the birthplace of Zayn Malik, a member of the band One Direction.
128.206.197.199 (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: Sorry, but to single out this one above all others listed in the Bradfordians section would be to give him undue weight. To get into the lead section, one really needs to have been world-famous for a long time. --Stfg (talk) 09:32, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 17 October 2013 

message: One of the main things mentioned in the media about Bradford is the Bradford Hole - the Westfield shopping centre that has remained little more than a hole in the ground for years.  I bet bbc.co.uk (for example) would have dozens of stories on the subject.  Surely worth a mention? --81.23.54.142 (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Like many similar city articles, this article presents a ridiculously upbeat image of its subject. It's fine and laudable that Bradfordians should take pride in their city, but this is ridiculous. It's presented as heaven on earth, which I don't think is wholly accurate. --Ef80 (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradford Hole 

message: Bradford's population is 522,452, the figure given on the Bradford page is for a boundary that no longer exists, it changed in 1974. If you look at both the City of Leeds and Leeds pages, both give exactly the same population, why should the City of Bradford and Bradford pages be any different, it doesn't make any sense and does the City of Bradford a disservice.Epicforest (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The City of Bradford population should be greater than the Bradford population as it cover a greater area than the settlement. The problem is the Leeds page which should have a lower figure than the City of Leeds page. There is many problems over the Leeds page that needs to focus on the settlement and not on the wider borough. Material relevant to the borough needs moving from one to the other. The problem keeps getting a mention but there is no real impetus to sort out the problem. The problem is stirring-up the dormant users and IPs that caused all of the disruption on the page in the past. Keith D (talk) 22:27, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

text: This has been mentioned and dismissed a number of times. The pages should remain separate as per other examples of this type of situation where the settlement and the borough are different things and cover different areas, including other settlements. The problem arises just because of naming rather than any other reason. Keith D (talk) 10:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradford's population figure 

message: The demographics section is based on old census data. Any update with the latest census data available?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.5.0.204 (talk) 11:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demographics - Old Census Data 

message: The figures have been updated in the box above in this section making the ones I've removed redundent.Bradford4life (talk) 11:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No -- 213.38.213.226 (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion section 

message: Park Avenue have been playing in the Conference North for two seasons now. It's one league above the Northern Premier League. It may be worth an edit. I would do it but i don't know how  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.231.237 (talk) 12:11, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradford Park Avenue  

message: Paragraph headed:  Bradford Pals
The statistics given are quoted from an unreliable BBC source.  The paragraph should be amended viz:
"On the morning of 1 July 1916 the Bradford Pals were in trenches opposite the village of Serre in Northern France.  Out of a fighting strength of the 16th Battalion there were 527 casualties with 12 of their 22 officers killed. The 18th suffered 490 casualties. Of the casualties perhaps 1 in 4 died on 1 July or in the next few days from wounds sustained in the battle."
Sources:  Hudson, Ralph, The Bradford Pals and Raw, David, The Bradford Pals.
Continuing:  Incorrect information in the following paragraph:  2/6th and 3/6th were not in France at the time of the Somme.  This paragraph should read:
"Other Bradford Battalions involved in the Battle of the Somme were 1st/6th Battalion (Bradford Territorials), The Prince of Wales's Own West Yorkshire Regiment, based at Belle View barracks in Manningham and the 10th Battalion of the Prince of Wales's Own West Yorkshire Regiment. The 6th Battalion first saw action in April 1915 at Neuve Chapelle before moving north to the Yser Canal near Ypres and then to positions near Thiepval on the Somme.[33] The 10th Battalion was involved in the attack on Fricourt.  Middlebrook suggests that 10th West Yorks suffered the highest casualty rate of any battalion on the Somme on 1 July and perhaps the highest battalion casualty list for a single day during the entire war. Nearly 60% of the battalion's casualties were deaths."  
Source:  Middlebrook. M, 1 July 1916, the First Day on the Somme, page 268
Continuing:  Next paragraph also incorrect.  Both the WR artillery batteries were in France, not in Manningham
"The 1/2nd and 2/2nd West Riding Brigade Royal Field Artillery (Territorial Force) had their headquarters at Valley Parade in Manningham.  They were joined by the Otley, Burley and Ilkley Batteries and crossed to France with the 6th Battalion West Yorks in April 1915.  These Territorial forces were to remain close to each other throughout the war, serving in 49th Division."
(Information supplied by Bradford WW1 Group, Mechanics Institute, Bradford BD1 1SZ)
46pearls (talk) 16:53, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. —  (e • t • c) 20:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2014 

message: Substituted at 14:25, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: "Also in the city is The St George's Hall—a grand concert hall dating from 1853..."
Also in the city is the St George's Hall- (much better)
It may only be a little thing but I find it most annoying to say the least. So please cut it out will you?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.83.177 (talk) 20:16, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The dreaded-definite article ('the') spelled with a capital ('The') in the '''middle of a sentence'''. How very annoying is that? 

message: Bradford's textile industry has been in decline for many years and the city has suffered from de-industrialisation. Some areas of Bradford are among the worst levels of social deprivation in the UK,[59] with widespread pockets of exclusion, and rates of unemployment in some wards exceeding 25%.,[38] though other areas of Bradford are among the least deprived in the UK.[60] The economy is worth around 8.3 billion, making Bradford's economy a major powerhouse in the region and is forecast to grow to more than 9 billion by 2016,[61] contributing around 8.4% of the region's output, and making the district the third largest (after Leeds and Sheffield) in Yorkshire & Humber. The economy has diversified and the city is home to several major companies, notably in finance (Yorkshire Building Society, Provident Financial, Santander UK), textiles ( British Wool Marketing Board, Bulmer and Lumb Group), chemicals (BASF, Nufarm UK), electronics (Pace Micro, Filtronic), engineering (NG Bailey, Powell Switchgear), and manufacturing, (Acorn MobilityDenso Marston, Bailey Offsite, Hallmark Cards UK and Seabrook Potato Crisps). Supermarket chain Morrisons has its head office in Bradford as does water utility company Yorkshire Water.[62]
Acorn Publications (talk) 15:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Request is made by a COI PR editor who's is blocked. Seems to be part of a load of material to promote this stairlift manufacturer. Fiddle Faddle 08:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2015 Update To Bradford Manufacturers 

message: The music section should include music festivals. Saltaire Festival, which this year had a main stage in Robert's Park, had thousands in attendance to watch live bands. Bingley Music Live also brings large touring bands to the region.
The film section needs L.A. Without a Map starring Vincent Gallo, Johnny Depp and David Tennant. Bradford features very prominently in this film.
The removal of Chantel McGregor from the music section. She is not notable. There are many far more notable signed and unsigned bands/musicians from Bradford who are not listed. Chantel being listed is nothing more than self promotion.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.23.42 (talk) 17:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd also note that asserting the inclusion is "self promotion" would require some evidence she, or someone involved/closely related to her, was responsible for her inclusion. --Brian McNeil /talk 02:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested Edits and Inclusions 

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message: It's the Pakistani centre of United Kingdom. TazRv2 (talk) 00:29, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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message: Bradford is twinned with Skopje, North Macedonia (since the Prespa agreement was ratified). Please correct the name of the country.
Example:
*  Skopje, North Macedonia (since 1963)
2A02:1388:4195:497:AC0D:C30A:4A67:99CD (talk) 22:17, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for reporting!--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 17:27, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2019 

message: At the end of the first paragraph of the "Religion" section (after the sentence which ends "...a legacy of the large Irish population that migrated to Bradford in the 19th century"), please could the following be inserted:
The patron saint of Bradford is Saint Blaise because of his patronage of wool combing, and his statue features on the Wool Exchange in the centre of the city. There is also a statue of the saint in St Cuthbert's Catholic Church, Wilmer Road, also noted as the location of the famous Stations of the Cross by Eric Gill.
Some sources about St Blaise here:
https://www.bradfordmuseums.org/blog/bradford-and-st-blaise/
http://saint-blaise.eu/en/news-and-curiosities/435-saint-blaise-in-england
https://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=28
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/17386523.market-at-bradford-industrial-museum-will-celebrate-patron-saint-of-wool-combers/
https://www.bradford.gov.uk/browse-all-news/press-releases/wool-market-for-patron-saint-of-wool-combers-festival/
Some sources about Eric Gill's Stations of the Cross here:
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1376263
http://taking-stock.org.uk/Home/Dioceses/Diocese-of-Leeds/Bradford-St-Cuthbert Corcagiensis (talk) 12:15, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added one source of each to the article which I've checked before doing the edit.Iggy (Swan) 21:04, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
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message: Their King is Rob Lakewood 212.40.228.228 (talk) 02:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --allthefoxes (Talk)  02:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
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message: In the section "Education" would it be possible to insert this sentence :
In "Bradford", Hanif Kureishi mentions Imaam Zakaria Girls School lang=fr|Gulliver n°3, Librio, 1999, pages 40-44. Casalonga MH (talk) 13:20, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: . This doesn't really make any sense, and the section isn't supposed to be an exhaustive directory of schools. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:37, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
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message: The way the name is said locally is not brad-ferd but more like brat/brad fud. The audio is a bit RP (non Yorkshire speaker) but fairly close, but the way it is spelt in IPA is wrong - that's more like an American would say it. It has a short, northern u in local pronunciation and no r. It's common in English place names to pronounce ford in this way (fud) but certain editors seem to be standardising these as fərd even though this is not how they're actually said. Could I request that we change the IPA to reflect what the audio is actually saying, and maybe get a local to pronounce the audio because the audio still sounds very southern to my ears. If you dig around on this you'll find that it's said more like ʊ - that's what's noted on the Yorkshire dialect wiki page.
:As a life-long and current resident of Bradford, I can confirm this. . Further south there is more of an OR sound, but I'm not aware of anywhere in the UK, certainly not in England, that pronounces it Brad-ferd, and it does seem strange to have an American pronunciation on the article of a British city. Obviously, I'm not a RS, but there are plenty of examples of the proper pronunciation, including the inline results of Google search when using British pronunciation.
:*  youglish.com
:*  babynamespedia.com
:*  definitions.net
:*  Pronunciation Academy (YouTube channel)
:*  Pronounce Names (YouTube channel)
:Please note that some of these sources default to the US pronunciation, and you will have to select UK to verify this claim. I am not currently able to make this edit, but I do believe it needs making. John Bullock (talk) 15:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The source on wikipedia states "Pronunciation of "Bradford" in British English (Received Pronunciation/South East England)" which is questionable (I certainly wouldn't describe it as RP). However the compression of the audio quality is pretty poor, and other examples of the editor such as Altrincham are pretty poor too (and Londons was removed a long time ago on most sources probably for similar concerns. Koncorde (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if my computer is playing up but the source for Bradford seems to cut off before the contentious phoneme. I mean, I have a quite professional audio setup. I could easily record the pronunciation in my native Bradfordian accent, but I'm not sure how that would be credible as anyone could claim they are from Bradford. Especially when there are so many reliable sources around the web. John Bullock (talk) 16:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Cuts off for me as well. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

text: The answer is to probably remove it and leave the IPA and raise the issue at the Project UK Geography talkpage for comments about next steps. Koncorde (talk) 01:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation of name

message: Bradford has never been a cathedral city. It got city status with neighbouring Kingston upon Hull and the city of Nottingham in 1897, by which time Sheffield and Leeds were cities without need of a cathedral although Sheffield has two Cathedrals. Bradford has a cathedral but that didn't garner it city status nor did Hull Minster give Hull a city status or Nottingham Catholic Cathedral. Leeds Minster didn't give Leeds city status neither. Notts Brad and Hull were given city status in recognition of the Queen's Jubilee. Leeds and Sheffield were cities years before.
So using cathedral city in Bradford when in fact it was during the move away from using cathedrals for city status is misleading. Salford has a cathedral and Manchester but they got city status through their county boroughs as did Cardiff and Birmingham. DragonofBatley (talk) 03:18, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of cathedral city in city of Bradford article 

message: It seems that the latest edit of the "Economy" chapter states facts from 2018, that is, from 3 - 4 years ago. After "Brexit" maybe in the financial industry things have changed? 2A02:3035:80B:1F23:1:0:324C:C0F2 (talk) 12:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article might need update ( "Economy" section is from 2018) 

message: The overview chapter speaks of a different population number than the "Demographics" section, while both referring to the same, 2011, census. 2A02:3035:80B:1F23:1:0:324C:C0F2 (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Different (contradicting?/ unexplained) total population numbers 

message: The Climate section says that the highest temperature was 32.2°C in August 1990. However, the table shows the highest was 33.9°C in July, but I was unable to find any source for this number and I would like to know what that number was sourced from and why not it is mentioned in the text paragraphs. 2A00:23C4:2318:F101:43C:290B:178:7AB (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate data 

message: I'm looking for opinions on my new Bradford montage. Here is the finished montage  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bradford_montage_2022.jpg  Any feedback would be welcome. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 15:31, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the newer Cathedral pic better, it doesn't merge with the background as much. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:40, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Indifferent, since you ask. Personally I marginally preferred the original: the narrower white space leaves more space for the images, and the inclusion of the mosque adds colour and variety (the City Hall and Wool Exchange are rather similar Victorian buildings, and the picture of the latter is underexposed). But this is a subjective matter of taste and an edit war isn't justified. Dave.Dunford (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If 1/4 of the population are muslims, it's not unreasonable to include the mosque. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Echo Dragon. The whitespace is too severe and takes up far too high a proportion of the picture. City Hall is better composed in the new version. Cathedral is slightly better, with less whitespace maybe it can capture the full height and more architectural design. Skyline is the skyline, I mean there's not many ways to take a picture of a town from high up and capture anything relevant or distinctive. Cartwright Hall or St Georges Hall is a matter of opinion. I personally prefer Cartwright because it's a nicer composed photograph. The Wool Exchange is a good addition as it's important to the town itself. I think the Mosque is a nice inclusion on the original however - so I wonder if by losing the skyline we might retain all the featured items, and loss the inconsequential view of some rooftops. Koncorde (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Don't focus too much on the "potential tourist attractions and shine a light on the positive" angle, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:15, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I also like the whole montage including the edging, so that's two of us. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 08:04, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Too much white space, see other town montages. I actually think the new skyline photo is better than the old. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 08:47, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: If the mosque should be in the religious section, then so should the cathedral. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 14:02, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't having a cathedral part of being a city even though Bradford becoming a city in 1897 but didn't have a cathedral until 1919. It's inclusion certainly had no religious connotations. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 15:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Having a cathedral is not a requirement for city status. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Correct, yet most English cities with cathedrals include them in their wikipedia montage. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: The picture top right in 2 is better covered in the skyline shot. If you putthe bottom left pic there it will avoid the rather unhappy meeting of two similar coloured buildings. I woud suggest then adding either the mills or the mosque in its place. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 17:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you referring sorry to the Proposed Bradford Montage 1 or 2? Sorry trying to make sure I see what your seeing. DragonofBatley (talk) 18:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Montage 2 to be clear Murgatroyd49 (talk) 18:35, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I like both as is, lightening the top left picture of the bottom montage would be good. I obviously prefer mine but both those montages are far better than the one up at the moment. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Like I said, I am not looking to put you down or offend. I think maybe following a similar pattern to the montages at Leeds, Sheffield, York and Lancaster. Might be worth a look at. I think the proposed 1 is the best as it covers your topics of interest and mine. The second is good but really only follows a set of five then seven photos. Again, I will remain impartial to others and respect others opinions and preferences. DragonofBatley (talk) 18:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not feeling offended or put down. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 19:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Proposal 1 is better, I think a small amount of white space would be useful as some pictures blend in with each other in both examples. Some of the shots need better composition to focus in on the object, but #2 in comparison is messy. The skyline in #1 (given the shift in focus and size) makes it somewhat redundant as it's (as previously mentioned, a common issue with such skylines) just some rooftops. In contrast something like the "City Park" would better sell both the modern cultural aesthetic and regeneration (such as this or this type thing). Koncorde (talk) 19:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

text: I made a lighter version of the underexposed Wool Exchange image, in case someone wants to use it. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Alexis. If I have a go at making another Bradford montage I'll use it. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 22:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  the new Bradford montage

message: According to , the story originated on something called Numbeo. So based on that, not very good content. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just read the Wikipedia page that you linked, it seems anyone can manipulate the stats anonymously that are used by Numbeo. Thanks for the link Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Beautifulscarlet (talk) 19:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, this  was kinda funny. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:07, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems Bradford got the same treatment as Lund and Malmo. Good that Linus Trulsson proved a great point about how bogus Numbeo is. Thanks for the Linus Trulsson link Gråbergs Gråa Sång Beautifulscarlet (talk) 20:39, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bradford dangerous? 

message: Wouldn't it make MUCH more sense to put the '(christian!) saints Blaise and Cuthbert' into the 'christianity' section, best before the the part about the Roman Catholics, and after the catholics also add the piece about the (also christian, I believe?!) "Nonconformists" there ?!?
As it is now, it's suddenly christian saints between the Hindu and the Sikhs chapters, and more christian groupings suddenky at the end again, and the saints not even classified as belonging to which religion and confession.
It would have been very easy to remedy, wasn't there that lock on the article... quite unfortunate. 2A02:3035:80B:1F23:1:0:324C:C0F2 (talk) 13:05, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chaotic "Religion" chapter