Talk:2005 Glendale train crash

message: The reports that I've read on this incident so far place the accident scene in Glendale, California, not Burbank.  One of the two Metrolink trains was outbound from Los Angeles Union Passenger Terminal bound for Burbank, while the other Metrolink train was inbound from Moorpark, California.  The UP train was parked on the siding and was not manned at the time of the collision. (ref: ). Perhaps a page move would be in order to more properly reflect the location of the event.  slambo 18:55, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)
:Not only did this not happen in Burbank, but this is not the "Burbank train crash."  The following occurred in Burbank:
::"Jan. 6, 2003: A Metrolink train carrying morning commuters smashes into a truck and derails in Burbank, killing the motorist and injuring 32 people on board as it litters 1,000 feet of track with flying metal." -AP Wire 
:Agreed. The early press report, on which I based the first cut of the article, said Burbank, but presumably was confused between location and destination (or I was). I think renames like this are to be expected when dealing with breaking events. -- Chris j wood 10:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Occurred in Glendale 

message: In a collision between a train and a road vehicle, the train may or may not push the road vehicle out of the way or the train may or may not get derailed, possibly with a spectacular pileup. Consider:
* Lismore accident where whole freight train concertinered into a pile.
* Kerang rail accident where glancing blow from truck peeled open passenger carriages like can of tuna.
Is there a list of level crossing accidents?  Yes there is! This type of accident is hard to find in List of rail accidents and List of road accidents! Tabletop (talk) 01:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similar accidents 

message: A total of 11 passengers were killed in the collision. 
Given that one of the victims was a conductor, and thus not a "passenger" (in the sense of one who has bought passage), perhaps the victims should be classified differently, e.g., "people," or "people on the train," etc. 71.142.78.181 21:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  How many ''passengers'' killed? 

message: Also to the Polmont rail accident. I've added this in as a "second example" if you will. Feel free to revert, but at least let me know ;) Cheers, Worley-d (talk) 13:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Similarities to Selby... 

message: * Rkallp  This site reports that the lawyers for the passengers were able to show that the train-driver could have avoided the accident.
Tabletop (talk) 01:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal issues 

message: Cab cars are an operational convenience and they make turnarounds quicker at terminals, and avoid the need for runaround loops or relay engines.
* Cab cars can be weight to reduce derailment risks in a collision, but such derailments cannot be totally avoided, as occurred with the Lismore, Victoria#accident.
* Trains do come off second best at some level crossing collisions, such as at Kerang rail crash
* Cab cars can be kept less than full in the driving direction.
* The likelihood of derailment depends on number of level crossings, risk factors, and line speeds.
* One big locomotive could be replaced by two smaller ones, such as XPT or HST.
* Twin locomotive operation reverts to cab car if lead locomotive fails.
* One might put the locomotive in middle and have two cab cars, each pushing only half as much.  However, passenger gangway is split.
* The number of carriages between the cab car and the locomotive would be significant.
* Check rails at the level crossing and extending either side might be helpful.
* The speed might be less when the cab car leads, particularly near level crossings.
* Cab cars might also have cowcatchers to push obstacles out of the way if possible.
Tabletop (talk) 02:10, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cab cars aka driving-trailer cars. 

message: This page was recently renamed by someone who was permanently banned; he was mistaken about naming conventions. Please see the naming convention for disasters, that states that all articles concerning individual disasters should be <<year>> <<place>> <<event>>. Also, it is recommended that discussion & consensus should occur before any pages are moved. I'll move this back if there is no objection. Highspeed (talk) 05:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No objections noted. Done. Highspeed (talk) 01:59, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Naming again: February 2009 

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thread_title:  Dead link 

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