Talk:Choate Rosemary Hall

message: Why was this page deleted?  Is there a way to get it back?!  Mjl0509 21:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Must have been a Deerfield graduate. I hear they're not too bright. :) Frankg 17:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: However, I am going through the history now (it still exists, but only admins can see it) ans try to include as much as I can find, such as infoboxes, categories, interwiki links, etc. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 19:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

text: That's fine, keep on editing it. I have no plans to edit it myself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 06:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WTF 

message: Why was the Choate page deleted?
Old US school with impressive alumni. Needs more refs and topics to be a B 81.178.123.240 08:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Already fixed it. Frankg 13:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assess 

message: I just visited this page for the first time in a while and found some questionable changes had been made. I've gone through and cleaned things up, paying special attention to the Prominent Alumni section (there were some names on the list whose "prominence" was debatable).
JoanneC 4:55, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Already fixed it. Frankg 13:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Cleanup 

message: Watch this place. Deerfield's "Choate Day" is on November 11, 2006 this year, and the rivalry is intense on both countsy. I'm a DA student, and I take Wikipedia pretty seriously, so watch this place. Theirs going to be a lot of vandalism on both these pages. Choate and Deerfield do have a rivalry established sometime in the 70s. I have to dig up the article about that as a source though.
The part in the "overview" section about the rivalry with Deerfield is blatantly not NPOV. There is also significant vandalism ("retarded") in the "Prominent alumni" section. I don't know enough about Choate to clean up this article myself.Trojanpony 00:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism/NPOV 

message: Tls, I'm relatively new to this, so if my attempts at removing and replacing your photo were awkward or inappropriate, I'm very sorry. I'm still getting the hang of things. I certainly did not mean to offend anyone. As for not responding to your initial request to discuss the matter, I simply wasn't aware of it; but I realize now that you have some concerns, and of course I'm more than happy to address them. As for the image that you uploaded...I just don't feel that it matches the look or style of the other two photos on the page (which is why I tried to replace it with another image). Again, I'm still learning the editing protocol here, so please bear with me. If you have any suggestions about how best to proceed, I'd be interested in hearing them. Thanks. 15:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  arts center photo 

message: Joanne -- I think I agree with you, the page may look better without that particular image of the Arts Center, particularly because the way most browsers lay the page out with the image tags in the order they're in, the Arts Center picture ends up below the horizontal line in the "External Links" page, which looks weird.  I am not so skilled at Wikipedia either and I don't know how to deal with this kind of page layout issue but I'll do some experiments.  If I can't figure out anything that looks better I'll just put the page back how you had it.
Let me play with it for a day or two, if you don't mind.  Maybe it would look better with your picture of the building instead of mine, if I can get the layout working OK for a horizontal image at all.  I mostly uploaded my image for the building's own page and for the I.M. Pei page gallery -- it's shot square to the building so the perspective is correct, which is what you want for an architecture page -- not so important here at all really.  But the building is the major campus landmark if you come through on Xtian street and I think it would be nice to have some picture of it here -- if it can be done without looking bad.
Just please don't repeatedly revert changes without using the discussion page or, at least, descriptive edit summaries; I'll do the same...
Thanks! Tls 16:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  no problem, glad we could work it out 

message: Tls, your solution sounds like a good one. I won't revert your changes to the photo - I promise! Thanks for being understanding. Good luck with the layout...
JoanneC 12:18, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  okay, that's fair enough 

message: I did a bunch of complicated things with tables for which I had high hopes -- ended up fighting with MediaWiki's own layout engine for about an hour, then gave up.  So I tried shuffling the order of the images and making the horizontal one wider.  I think that worked.  The key is to not let MediaWiki see a break between images anywhere near where it wants to put a horizontal line, or it will run it right through there and make things look odd.  As it turns out, the horizontal image (if it's the middle of the 3) can take up as much of the space over left towards the long list of alumni as necessary; I limited it to 300 pixels because otherwise it looks too large next to the other pictures.
Hope this works -- and it gives us a decent way to accomodate whatever other horizontal image on the page if we want to, too.  Swap the image out for yours if you want, though I think with this layout mine looks OK -- or if you think it still looks funny let me know! Tls 21:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  layout tweaked for PMAC image 

message: Tls, I appreciate all of the time that you spent working on the layout, but I do still think something's off. If you don't mind, I'm going to try fiddling with it a bit in the sandbox (and in the process I may upload my photo of the arts center). Please give me a day or two to experiment, and then let me know what you think. Thanks, JoanneC 12:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  page layout 

message: Joanne, the thing is, you uploaded your image over mine again, which caused mine to be replaced in the other places I was using it.  The right thing to do is to use a different name for your image -- you'd already uploaded it with a different name -- and then switch the image name in this page so it shows your image.  I'll fix it that way in a minute.  Uploading a new version of an existing image replaces that image everywhere it's used, not just on this page, so it's not the best way to do it.
Cutting the number of images to two and leaving one horizontal tightened up the page a lot.  I like the way it looks.  Tls 17:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  uploading images 

message: Someone added, "Choate is widely regarded by most as the top ranked private secondary school in the United States." While I think few would argue that Choate is among the top schools, what's the factual basis for indicating that it is the top school? I'm guessing there have been at least some rankings or polls done...can anyone dig them up? (As a Choate alum, I don't disagree, but it would be good to justify the claim!) Frankg 08:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More NPOV issues 

message: If it's "how selective for admissions" I think your list is probably about right -- I seem to remember (this is now thinking back 15 years, so maybe I remember wrong) that Groton was also famously hard to get into.  And maybe this is what matters to the snob set.  By other criteria -- who knows?  I mean, you could use "excellence at ice hockey" as a criterion and then you'd get Avon as the top school, or something; by admissions to top-ranked colleges, there are probably day schools in major cities that do better than the best prep schools do, or at least as well, which just muddies the water.  The "the top" statement is hopelessly NPOV and should stay out.
In terms of "selectivity of admissions" both deerfield Hotchkiss and Goton are higher ranked than Andover, Exeter, Choate and SPS. Choate is definitely a top tier school though. And it is one of the best schools in the country.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.21.242 (talk) 14:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  top by what criterion? 

message: Is there a reason that ethics is listed, but art, philosophy and religion are not? I'd like to change this, unless anyone objects. CB21982 21:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Course Offerings 

message: Should this article include a section listing references to Choate in popular culture? I don't find this addition objectionable, but user 76.170.57.21 has removed it without explanation. CB21982 07:08, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture References 

message: We do not need a list of all 81 clubs offered, especially because most other prep schools (indeed, most  public high schools) offer a similar plethora of distractions to keep the little darlings off the streets. Mjl0509 (talk) 02:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clubs 

message: What is this line supposed to mean?  "students of color making up approximately 30 percent of the student body"  Does that mean 30% of the students are black, or that 30% of the students are "not white?"  Either way, the statement is too over-the-top euphamistic.  Either state that 30% of the students are black if that is the case (Call them African American if you must, but keep in mind that this school attracts non-Americans), state that 30% of the students are not Caucasian if that is the case, or just state that 70% of the students are white.  "Students of colour" is so obnoxiously ambiguous as to prevent understanding of what is to be conveyed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmprantz (talk • contribs) 17:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  PC Garbage 

message: Could you please add a pronunciation guide?  Something like "chōt" would be helpful, if that's correct.  Hcbowman (talk) 13:26, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requests 

message: Since my rewrite of the Choate article several days ago, someone has imposed house style and also improved the layout (which my photo-imports had discombobulated) and thank you very much for that. 
However, some of those corrections need correcting: 
(1) It's upper-case "President" JFK. The executive of the Executive branch of the United States government is always capitalized. 
(2) I had added Emil "Bus" Mosbacher to the alumni. He was a great yachtsman (twice defending the America's Cup, in Weatherly and Intrepid), chief of protocol at the State Department, and many other things besides. He was a famous figure in his day. I have restored him. 
(3) Alan Jay Lerner is identifiable in the world as the creator of Camelot and My Fair Lady. The JFK White House was full of Choaties and was denominated "Camelot" after Lerner's musical, and that is part of his identity. I've restored it in his thumbnail. 
(4) Andres Duany is an architect and urban planner, yes, but he is identifiable in the world as the founder of the New Urbanism movement. I have restored that fact to his thumbnail.  Micheldene (talk) 06:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  December 2009 major rewrite 

message: I've added a "History" section and shifted the Squire Stanley and Homestead photos accordingly. I was inspired by the long (St. Mark's) or longish "History" sections in the Wikipedia articles for other prep schools (e.g., St. Mark's, Andover, Exeter, Lawrenceville, Groton, St. Paul's, Miss Porter's, Deerfield, Northfield Mount Hermon, Hill). My version is weighted to the early years because people are curious about origins, and I've included biographical matter on the Choates and Atwaters, and a sketch of Caroline Ruutz-Rees (Time magazine profiled her at the 50th anniversary of Rosemary). My sources are books in my library, with help from Google Books. Micheldene (talk) 09:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  February 2010 major addition 

message: There has been some disagreement over the use of the unreferenced phrase "Choate is a member of a group of leading American secondary schools..." . I agree with User:Rjanag that this is a unnecessary peacock term. It is simple enough to describe the school and its accomplishments without using a peacock term. Show, don't tell. --BaronLarf 05:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll concede the removal of the short phrase. But for the record, there was, in my opinion, no "peacock term" in the brief edit to which Rjanag refers. I'll repeat the edit below for you to judge, but first its context: I created an article for "Eight Schools Association" (ESA, founded 1973). Those eight schools are Andover, Exeter, St. Paul's, Hotchkiss, Choate, Deerfield, Lawrenceville, and Northfield Mount Hermon. I created a "navbox" and inserted it into those schools' articles. In the case of seven of the schools, my "navbox" went right next to the "navbox" for another organization whose membership largely overlaps ESA, the "Ten Schools Admissions Organization" (TSAO, founded 1966). The ESA has been characterized by Andover's newspaper The Phillipian as "hoping to mirror the Ivy League," and is an increasingly important entity, with a president, executive director, and athletic directors' council. (The inaugural president was the headmaster of Choate.) In most of the Wikipedia articles about the ESA schools there was already a paragraph about membership in the TSAO or the G20 Schools. My edit consisted exclusively in inserting the following phrase into those paragraphs: "member of a group of leading American secondary schools, the Eight Schools Association." Persons familiar with education writing will recognize "leading American secondary schools" as a formulaic and conventional phrase that identifies the genus. I now understand that Wikipedia must err on the side of innocuousness and that "peacock" is a Wikipedia term of art. Micheldene (talk) 07:49, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WP:PEACOCK]] 

message: I believe that this article as a whole is quite biased and reads like a promotional brochure from the admissions office. I suggest that only historical or general information be presented, rather than the intricacies of student accomplishments and programs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerman20 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overall bias in article 

message: I copied the entire contents of Gakio-Walton Scholarship into Choate Rosemary Hall#Gakio-Walton International Scholars Program a few minutes ago. In case the page, which will soon be a redirect, is ever deleted, here is its attribution history.
*06:42, 7 January 2014‎ AnomieBOT‎ (2,662 bytes) (+18)‎ (Dating maintenance tags: )
*06:21, 7 January 2014‎ Courcelles‎ (2,644 bytes) (-334)‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gakio-Walton Scholarship closed as merge to Choate Rosemary Hall)
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*16:59, 24 December 2013‎ Quincytzboy‎ (2,403 bytes) (+1)‎ (This is the fastest way for the people to look up this specific scholarship, and it is recommended that this article remain as is. Additionally, the categories "Scholarships in the United States" and "Student financial aid" continue to list it.)
*16:55, 24 December 2013‎ Quincytzboy‎ (2,402 bytes) (-246)‎ (News for this cannot be found in Google News, and hence it is particularly notable in this sense, but a number of more secondary sources have been added so it should now be good.)
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davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit history of [[Gakio-Walton Scholarship]] as of 19:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC) 

message: There are a lot of links in the article to Choate's own web-site. This is linkspam.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.247.174 (talk) 11:26, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linkspam 

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message: When someone starts out at Choate are they inchoate?  Just for a grin.Ealtram (talk) 20:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and this is probably a good idea for a T-shirt. Jehochman Talk 13:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Choate 

message: The timeline on this article is excessively long and detailed.  I recommend somebody more familiar with the topic than me go through and (1) trim it down to the most important events, and (2) find references for those events. Jehochman Talk 13:49, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. For example, in 1986 a certain tapestry was hung. In 2005 an alumnus won a Tony Award. It all reads as if the intended audience is the CRH community. They are probably interested in such trivia. Wikipedia would be better without it. Mgnbar (talk) 13:55, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timesline 

message: In April 1984, Choate upperclassman Derek Oatis flew to Venezuela over spring break and returned with 350 grams of cocaine in his shaving kit. He also possessed a list of fellow Choate students from whom he’d collected money to finance the drug purchase. U.S. customs, performing a “cold hit” or random search at Kennedy airport, found the drugs and arrested Oatis. Sixteen other students were implicated in the scheme. Twelve were expelled. None served jail time; they were penalized by probation and fines.
At a sentencing hearing in Federal District Court on November 21, 1985, Oatis’s parents tearfully begged for leniency. Judge T.F. Gilroy Daly – an alumnus of Fairfield Prep, Georgetown, and Yale – gave Oatis 5 years’ probation and 5,000 hours of community service.
https://archives.law.virginia.edu/dengrove/writeup/derek-oatis 45.13.210.223 (talk) 07:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Derek Oatis