Talk:2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup

message: When are the group assignments? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.1.206.20 (talk) 13:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group Draws 

message: What is the specific flag being used? The one currently on the template (although correct) is slightly inaccurate because its an unofficial flag. Guadeloupe uses the French Tricolore as far as I'm aware. The Gold Cup website also seems to list Guadeloupe under the official French flag rather than the unofficial one being used here. Gaijin84 15:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guadeloupe??? 

message: I take it that the best 2 of the 3rd place teams qualify for the knockout stages. An explanation of that's kinda missing from the page. Aheyfromhome 12:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 3rd Place teams

message: Okay, something wierd keeps on happening. I open the page, and Group B's results arent' up yet, so I try to edit them, but they are already changed in the edit window. Anybody know w'sup? Bornagain4 19:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It works fine for me. I don't know what it would be then.Sportyguy03 21:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something Wierd 

message: How many of you think we should change the goal scorers back to alphabetical country, then alphabatize the names from inside their own nation? I think thats how it usually is organized... 22:41 (EDT) June 8, 2007
*Usual practice is by number of goals, then by country, then by surname. 85.92.162.245 11:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Goal Scorers

message: Seriously, I see no point in having the full name of the scorers in the results section. Why not just use the last name like every soccer article in this site? It takes less space and looks more clean in my opinion. Azuran 16:50, June 9 2007 (UTC)
First names removed as per WP standard for football and rugby articles. Mjefm 21:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full Names of scorers 

message: Im gonna go ahead and change the colors for the group standings to make them more understandable. At this point, only the USA has secured a place in the quarterfinals, and no team has been eliminated. So only the United States will be green, and no team will have any other colors, if there is a controversy, please respond here instead of changing it. Bornagain4 13:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group Standings 

message: If El Salvador beats the US by two goals, and Guatamala beats Trinidad and Tobago by four goals, the United States will finish in third place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bornagain4 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If that happens, the US will be one of the two best 3rd place finishers and will go through anyway. - MTC 16:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Good Point Bornagain4 22:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  United States Hasn't Qualified Yet 

message: Why are these three teams Qualified automatically? Anybody?
thanks168.156.37.191 16:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the official reason is that they have all won the tournament in the past. In reality it's probably because they wouldn't fit into either of the qualifying tournaments. - MTC 16:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Qualified automatically? 

message: I have to admit that I did not keep up on the Group C action other than tonight's games to determine who might play the U.S.  Can someone write up a brief overview to be added to the Group A & B overviews covering the progression of Group C in match play?  Thanks.  ju66l3r 04:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Group C Overview? 

message: Maybe Guadeloupe would have the right to represent Concacaf at the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup, if they win 2007 CONCACAF Gold Cup. At least Fifa mentions Guadeloupe positively in their section about the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup. See: http://www.fifa.com/confederationcup/news/newsid=535207.html#little+guadeloupe+knifes+edge  I have already asked User http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Surge79uwf to refer to a source. His Revision http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup&diff=prev&oldid=137596150 introduced the claim, that in the case of a Guadeloupe-win, the runner-up would represent Concacaf at the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup. The footnote has been reedited later on (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup&diff=137837799&oldid=137831793). But there is still no source given.
If you know a source, please add it in the article or name it here, and I will add it.
I believe it is a very interesting aspect! Who decided this and when? Was it Concacaf or Fifa? Is it even true - or could Guadeloupe, not being Fifa-member, go to 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup, if they would win the Gold-Cup? Thank you very much! -Rheinländer 09:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup article gives further explanation of why Guadeloupe wouldn't be allowed to compete, that explanation being that the Confederations Cup is a FIFA tournament, and only FIFA members may compete in FIFA tournaments. I've never really thought about a source, I just disregarded it as common knowledge, though I've never seen anything related to it from FIFA itself. A quick Google search found me this article from an online news source which states: The winner of the Gold Cup earns an automatic bid to the 2009 Confederations Cup in South Africa, unless the winner is Guadeloupe, which is not eligible for that invitation. On the off chance Guadeloupe pulls off a major upset and wins the Gold Cup, the second-place team would advance to the Confederations Cup. Is that a reliable enough source? - MTC 11:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Guadeloupe national football team#Notable (former) players has a list of French national team players with Guadeloupian roots. - MTC 18:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: It's possible the article from kicker.de is simply ignoring the possibility of Guadeloupe winning or perhaps isn't aware of the possibility of them being refused. Unless an article can be found that specifically says "Guadeloupe will compete in the Confederations Cup if they win the Gold Cup", then there is no real way to disprove the statement currently in the article. In any case, I'm going to go ahead and add the source I found to the article, as it's better to have a sourced statement there than an unsourced statement. I still don't know which is right though... - MTC 18:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

text: There's no real reason they can't, though according to FIFA regulations they have to have permission from the French FA if they want to join FIFA. - MTC 05:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guadeloupe in [[2009 FIFA Confederations Cup]]? 

message: Shouldn't there be a "Third Place" part in the knock-out stage bracket? I'm not referring to the third place qualifiers for the second round though.
SaintFireMole 18:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There wasn't a third place match in the 2005 Gold Cup, and I don't think there is one for this tournament either. Che84 18:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third place in tournament bracket 

message: C'mon guys, these immature edits are just plain crap. I'm a Canadian, I think Canada deserved that goal, I'm not happy with the ref's decision, BUT vandalizing wikipedia is a silly way to vent your frustrations. I think, if there is considerable coverage of the incident, an NPOV note could be added to the game about it (CNN has already discussed that Canada "should have had that goal"). But, in the meantime, could you all calm down?
24.69.65.237 01:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This comment is needlessly rude.  Jyardley has already conceded the point. 70.254.243.14 17:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Canada-US Semifinal

message: Where are the attendance figure being taken from? They list both of the semi-finals of having the same attendance of 50k+, yet I can assure you that there were nowhere near as many fans at the US game as there were at the Mexico game. Dav2008 13:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would assume that paid attendance is what's being recorded here, because very few places actually count how many people are there. Che84 15:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I understand, but where is the data being taken from? Dav2008 23:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If I understand correctly, the Gold Cup tickets for most of the tournament were good for both of the day's games at that venue. Thus, the attendance numbers are a composite of both games and not indicative of total attendance at either individual game. - RPIRED 00:14, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  That would make sense, although it's still missing a source. That would be a good piece of information to add if a source exists. As far as the attendance of the final, I highly doubt that the attendance figure was exactly 60,000 (unless they put exactly 60k tickets on sale). Although the source says it was a sellout crowd of 60,000 I wonder if that is an exact amount or just a figure for the article (it's easier to say 60,000 than 60,523 or something) Dav2008 22:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Attendance figures

message: I went ahead and added the Honorable Mentions chart. Source taken from concacaf.com Modelun88 22:39, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  All -Tournament Team 

message: Yes i know the us won it but shouldn't it be fair?The ref got the calls wrong so dosen't that mean the us CHEAT on that match?and there should be penalites.the problem is that the Mexico national football team And the association is blaming FIFA Or CONCACAF.there not blaming The United States Soccer Federation But Blaming FIFA Or CONCACAF.dosen't that mean the US cheated on that match?thats all im saying.Do you think This should be fixed,Shoulden't there be something to make witch team wins it?Thank You.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cokepepsi (talk • contribs) 20:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: THIS!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.190.202 (talk) 19:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA Wins The Cup? 

message: The argument seems to be based on the fact that the table represents standings. I made the heading Team Statistics instead of Standings or rankings because that is precisely what it is- team stats. I have now removed the numbering and replaced it with round designations. Either way the number of games played and percentage were already included so there should be no dispute over the fact that different number of games played detracts from the tables usefulness. The table's usefulness is moreso if not equal to nearly all of the other sections. In fact most sections on here are redundant. In fact the only section needed are the box scores since they cover all the remaining information on the page. We really don't need Cuban defections on here nor do we need every goal scorer or the flag of the winning team to tell us who won, even the bracket looks nice but is overkill. Some of the external links and references are less than appropriate. This is longwinded I realize but I also realize that it irks some purists to have tables for knockout tourneys. Over an event teams compile stats and regardless of what round they reach, presenting that information is far from innapropriate. The changes I have made to the table should be suitable if they weren't already. I feel we should show team stats for all tournaments knockout or otherwise. Libro0 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table 

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