Talk:List of Palestinians

message: Was Izz al-Din al-Muqaddasi (d. 1280) from Jerusalem?  I assume so from his name. - Mustafaa 18:45, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Question

message: Does anyone know who the above (added by User:162.83.246.212) is referring to? Banerjee is primarily a Bengali surname and the only one I could near Chicago is Prith Banerjee of the University of Illinois, who does not appear to be Palestinian. I've left the entry for now, but will delete it in a couple of days if it's not clarified. Juko 20:22, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Kiran Banerjee

message: Somebody is listing Jesus Christ as a Palestinian. That person seems to ignore that Jesus Christ was a JEWISH RABBI and was acclaimed by his followers as the KING OF ISRAEL, being of the royal line of Israeli kings. So stop listing him as Palestinian, that's a blasphemy.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.126.224.158 (talk) 09:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's most certainly not blasphemy. But if he is listed, it should be with a source that describes him as Palestinian. There are some people who do hold that view of him, and not just Palestinian Christians themselves. As I wrote to you below, I may re-add the entry one day if I do go looking about for sources, with a footnote of course that explains on what basis he is listed here. Thanks for your comments. Tiamuttalk 20:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't understand your obsession with me and what I write on talk pages or which articles I edit, even though I know you are a sock of a former user. In any case, there is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Palestinian people about this very issue, should you be interested. I'm not, particularly not if you'll be there. Good day. Tiamuttalk 21:02, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: You make your battleground behavior very plain. To twist the identity of one of histories most beloved characters so that you can score points in your political PR campaign is despicable.Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 20:29, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh huh. Pleasant chatting with you. Tiamuttalk 20:54, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess you throw around insults, accusations, and your bombastic opinions so much that it has become pleasant for you to engage in. Next time, can you stay on topic? Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: BLASPHEMY

message: This article says it's a list of prominent Palestinians. That link says Palestinians are modern descendants of certain people. Most of the first table is just a list of people who lived in the area in ancient times and the early middle ages. None are are sourced.
Either the name and lead of this article needs to be changed or the table needs to be fixed. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 02:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  problem 

message: Does journalism really belong to literature? Journalist describes this way: A journalist collects and distributes news and other information. A journalist's work is referred to as journalism. So, the written part is only one aspect of it. Newsreader "distributes news", but it is hardly literature. 85.217.15.248 (talk) 06:26, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Journalist = Literature? 

message: The comment in the lead about genetic studies should be removed. As can be seen in Palestinians#DNA and genetic studies, different genetic studies resulted in different findings; some of them (the latest ones) completely contradicting the statement that the "majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians, Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times." Ben tetuan (talk) 15:57, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The wording is good as it is now and is also in the lead on article Palestinian people. Nothing there "completely contradicts" the statement. I suggest you read it carefully. Furthermore, the wording has been changed to "reaches" to "may reach", which is consistent with the findings. And as the wording is taken from that article, it would be better do discuss it there. --IRISZOOM (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: You are correct in the last sentence, It should better be discussed there then. Ben tetuan (talk) 11:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Genetic studies

message: The revert battle is based on Brewcrewer's argument that there was a consensus. There wasn't a consensus. There was an inconclusive debate (marked by opinions of editors in the face of overwhelming source evidence that there is nothing controversial in this).
Jesus, if he existed, was a Palestinian Jew, and Palestinian Jews, please note, are included in the pre-Mandate list, not least of them 7 Talmudic rabbis (Jochanan;Eleazar ben Pedat;Judah the Prince;Shimon ben Lakish; Rabbi Isaac the smith; Rabbi Assi; Rav Zeira).
The thumbs down voting was highly ideological. You cannot, as I once suggested, put Jesus on the page for Jews (ethically he was thus); you cannot put him on a page that lists Palestinians (geographically he was, as sources state), but you can put rabbis (ethnically Jewish) born in Palestine (geographical term) there. Lists should have coherent principles, and there is none in this self-contradictory counter-source negationism.Nishidani (talk) 12:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: 9-2 opposed.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 14:15, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Take a refresher in WP:CONSENSUS. There was no consensus, because no decision making took place, and the thread died on its feet. I'd appreciate someone doing and RfC on this.Nishidani (talk) 14:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

text: And of course you failed to address the massive inconguency pointed out: what are Palestinian rabbinical figures, close to the ascribed date of the other Palestinian Jewish figures, doing on the page? I expect an answer, not an appeal to a fiction of prior agreement. Nishidani (talk) 14:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop being disruptive. An RFC is not required to determine a consensus. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 15:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be ridiculous, asking for an RFC is not disruptive. In any case the discussion was over two years ago, even if there was a consensus back then, it does not mean one exists today. For instance a number of the editors involved in the discussion are now banned from the topic area, so any new discussion may well be very different to what was said in 2012. In my opinion an RFC would be a good idea as it would be more likely to bring in input from uninvolved editors and lead to a lasting consensus. Dlv999 (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks all for the suggestion. I have done my best to present a neutral picture. Hopefully all involved will read both sides of the links below (helpful for Abbas to have catalysed a media debate for us over Christmas)...Oncenawhile (talk) 15:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Was Jesus a Palestinian 

message: []
[] Gamliel II - Nasi c. 80-
[] Shimon bar Kokhba - Nasi 132-135
[] Shimon ben Gamliel II - Rosh Yeshiva Usha_(city) second century
[] Gamaliel IV - President of Beit HaMidrash 270-290
[] Judah III - Nasi of Sanhedrin 290-320
[] Hillel II - Nasi of Sanhedrin c. 320-385
[] Gamliel V - Nasi of Sanhedrin c. 365-385
[] Judah IV - Nasi of Sanhedrin 385-400
[] Gamliel VI - Nasi of Sanhedrin 370-425
[] Mar-Zutra III - Aliyah 520 later Rosh Yeshivah of Tiverias
[] Binyamin of Tiverias - financed revolt against Heraclius 7th Century
[] Achai of Sabha - 8th-century Talmudist
[] Aharon ben Meïr - Nasi of Palestinian Gaonate in the early 10th century
[] Sa'adiah ben Yosef Al-Fayyumi - studied in Tiverias at young age, published Hebrew Dictionary at age 20 - lived from 882 or 892 until 940
[] Yefet ben Ali - Karaite commentator, lived in Jerusalem 950-980
[] Daniel ben Azariah - gaon of Eretz Yisrael 1051-1062
[] Shimshon ben Avraham of Sens - Tosafist - lived in Palestine c. 1211 - 1230
[] Yechiel of Paris - Tosafist, Founder of Midrash haGadol d'Paris in Acre - lived in Palestine from between 1258 to between 1265 and 1268 (disputed)
[] Ishtori Ha-Parhi - settled in Palestine after being victim of ethnic cleansing in 1306, physician in Bet She'an until 1355
[] Yitzakh ben Shmuel of Akko - Palestinian astrophysicist, born in Palestine 13th Century, fled Mamluk massacre c. 1305 to Spain
[] Ovadiah ben Avraham - March 25 1488 moved to Jerusalem, died c. 1515 in Jerusalem - commentator on Mishna
[] Yosef Saragossi - left Spain after expulsion 1492 for Tsfat, Mekubal well respected by Arab community, died 1507 in Palestine
chronology edit - [] Moshe Alshich - [] Acharon born in Ottoman Empire 1508, died 1593 in Tsfat
[] Elazar ben Moshe Azikri - born in Tsfat 1533, Songwriter, author of Yedid Nefesh, died 1600
[] Sabbatean prophet for failed messiah - born Jerusalem 1643
edit -  Yisroel ben Shmuel of Shklov - among leaders of partially successful attempt to increase Jewish life in Palestine, died in Tiverias may 22 1839
[] Makhlouf Eldaoudi - Hakham Bashi (Chief Rabbi) for Acre, Haifa, Tsfat, and Tiverias 1889-1909, born 1825 in Marrakesh
[] Jacob Meir - Sephardic Chief Rabbi of Mandate of Palestine, born 1856 died 1939 in Mandate of Palestine  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kol hator (talk • contribs) 07:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: A person "whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict" made a person a Palestinian refugee according to UNRWA. What is your point ? Can you state it explicitly and clearly ? Sean.hoyland - talk 08:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm wondering if any sources consider these people Palestinian, maybe as naturalised citizens? Not every Palestinian before the mandate was born in Palestine, there were immigrants of multiple cultures and religious identities between 1840-1920 including Nowar, Turkish, Armenian, Greek, Italian, Turkmen, Persian, Jewish, Kurds, assorted Christians including German "Templars", Bosnians, Circassians, Sudanese and Algerian settlers, according to Britannica. Kol hator (talk) 08:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: We should use just one criteria to keep things simple. If they are called Palestinian by WP:RS, then for wiki-purposes we can also call them Palestinian. Oncenawhile (talk) 08:49, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: That's my question, I don't have a lot of books, so if there are reliable sources calling long-term residents of Palestine Palestinians, someone could add them. There seem to be a lot for Yeshua ha Notzri, aka Jesus, but I'm not sure how many of those are consensus "Reliable". We're already using two criteria for the two different lists. I don't know how many residents of Roman Syria Palestina self-identified as Palestinians, or how many people self-identified as Palestinian before the founding of Fatah. I'm against getting rid of non-Arab Palestinians from the list because 'Palestine Post', Jewish Palestinians etc., by the way. 1920 seems arbitrary, since the Jewish-owned 'Palestine Post' name didn't change until 1950. Kol hator (talk) 09:04, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess 1920 because of start of Mandate? Kol hator (talk) 09:14, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Also some of that list were born in Palestine, do they fit definition? (edit spelling) Kol hator (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

text: My mistake, I thought there was some kind of definition of 'Who is a Palestinian', I guess WP is going by quotes in sources. Kol hator (talk) 10:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I guess my point is that there were Jewish Palestinians for every century from Gamliel II to Rav Kook. It seems that Palestinian is a term created by Romans, embraced by Christians, and adopted by Muslims at some time(what time I don't know) after the Arab conquest and occupation of lands including Eretz Israel in April 637. It was applied by the British to their Mandate and used by Jews to describe their Yishuv. Then some time after 1950 it ceased to be a name for Jews and was used for refugees from the 1948 and 1967 wars. Now Jordan is 70% people from Falastin, and it's occupied by Bedouin from the Hedjaz. Did I make any mistakes there? Kol hator (talk) 10:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

text: I'll try to explain. If I built a time machine and went to Yaffa May 1946 and waited to June 1948 I'd be a Palestinian refugee. Of course I'd be dead when it rolled around to 2014 again. If I'd gone to 1846, waited till 1848 and cryo-slept till 2014 again, I'd not be a Palestinian. If I went to 131 c. e., got Roman citizenship, went to Betar and waited till 136 c. e. I'd be a Palestinian. Sorry for wasting everyone's time with a hypothetical situation, maybe the research I did making the list could help improve some other article, list, or category, such as 'Jews who lived in the Levant'. I don't know of any such category. Good Night, Layla Tov, TisbaHu 'ala kher Kol hator (talk) 10:57, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  if living in palestine for two years made a person palestinian 

message: The lead is for summaries of the article. The last sentence in the lead has little to do with the list, other than to attempt to connect past populations with current political labels. Looking at this talk page, there is obviously a lot of controversy around this and throwing in "some scientists think Canaanites are descendants because they connected genes to Biblical narratives" isn't helping anything. CSWP1 (talk) 02:57, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: List leads cannot by definition summarize the content of the page. By their very nature, as enumeration of as category whose basis is outlined in full articles, they simply give the gist of the sister pages, which is what we have here. There is no reason to think that the word 'Palestinian' is a political term, any more than any other ethnonym, and all peoples have historic roots. Whatever the rest of the evidence, Christian Palestinian communities did not emigrate from Arab lands in recent times: their continuous presence in the land is a constant over two millennia, and they came from Greek-Jewish et al. stock that preceded A.D. in all probability.Nishidani (talk) 10:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: While your personal opinions are fascinating and I look forward to you accusing me of racism, I must remove the poorly-sourced speculation on the origins of modern Palestinians. It is obviously quoted in an attempt to link past populations with current ones, which is soapboxing. CSWP1 (talk) 02:52, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It is well sourced, but I agree it is a bit long for the lead here. As a compromise I have moved it all to the footnote. Oncenawhile (talk) 20:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that is a sensible solution. Leads should not have individual views fully quoted or paraphrased, except in footnotes which are needed however when the statement in question is hotly contested (by editors, not by the scholarship).  Khalidi's view is scholarly, and not 'poorly sourced speculation'. You haven't understood WP:SOAP. I would suggest your reverting over many Palestinian articles, and unresponsive assertiveness on the occasional talkpages, is only confirming a certain combative temper against one of two sides to the conflict, and that is not welcome in this area, CSWP1.Nishidani (talk) 10:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Speculation in the lead. 

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message: You cannot leave Jesus Christ/en-Nebi Issa (pbuh) alone, only in the company of His betrayer! Mother, Father, stepfather, brother, cousin, aunt, uncle-in-law, close associates, direct enemies - they all belong with Him. Give me one valid reason why not. Arminden (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Testament figures ALL belong here 

message: Request to add Feda Almaliti Wikipedia to the notable Palestinians as an activist as she is of Palestinian descent. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feda_Almaliti 2603:8001:6E01:92CC:CC95:EC97:72E9:9731 (talk) 22:46, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: This list does not cover those with just a family history. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2021