Talk:State funeral

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Wikipedia is not a newspaper. The Reagan text should be streamlined to discuss state funerals in the U.S. in general. It should not be a narrative of current events because this is an encyclopedia. Specific relevant text belongs at Ronald Reagan. --Jiang 11:55, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

message: Changed "casket" to "coffin", since casket is a euphemism. 156.34.52.212 15:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casket/Coffin 

message: If the sailors-pulling-the-coffin tradition dates to Victoria's funeral, and is the only dinstinctive feature of a state funeral, how can those who died prior to Victoria (Nelson, Wellington, Gladstone) have had a state funeral?
:At that time, there may not have been a distinction between a royal ceremonial funeral and a state funeral. --Ibagli 21:28, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK Tradition 

message: This article seems fairly biased. Many countries have state funerals (inluding e.g. Belgium, and the former Soviet Union). However only 3 current nations, UK, US and Canada are mentioned and one religious group Roman Catholic Church). Most surprisingly however is the mention without any kind of context of Nazi-German state funerals, why is this special enough to include. I would suggest a fairly thorough overhaul of this article. Arnoutf 19:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why these countries (including Nazi Germany)????? 

message: Just a few questions re: the section on Canada.  The article presently states that state funerals are only available for PMs and GGs.  However, I was under the impression that the PM could declare a state funeral for any eminent Canadian (as I believe Martin did in the case of war hero "Smokey" Smith).  
It also states equivocally that PM's lie in state in the Hall of honour, and GG's in the Senate Chamber.  I seem to recall from when Hnatyshyn died that his casket was in the Senate Chamber not because of protocol, but at his request because his father served as a Senator.  I do not recall what occurred when Sauve died, so i have no reference point.
On a related point, when Stanley Knowles passed away, his bodied lay in state in the foyer of the House of Commons.  While I don't believe he was accorded a full state funeral, it certainly lends credence to the idea that things such as where the casket rests are not as etched in stone as this article suggests.
I wanted to clear these issues up before I started editing willy-nilly.
:The procedure is this: When prime ministers lie in state, they lie in the Hall of Honour, when governor generals, in the Senate Chamber. -- SNIyer12, 22:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian situation 

message: I have added Lord Palmerston's name to the list of non-royals who have had a state funeral.
:"He [Palmerston] had asked to be buried in Romsey Abbey, but the Cabinet insisted that he be given a state funeral in Westminster Abbey, and Lady Palmerston agreed, on the understanding that when she died she could be buried with him. The state funeral took place on Friday, 27 October."--Jasper Ridley, Lord Palmerston (Panther, 1972), p. 782.--Johnbull 22:24, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Lord Palmerston's funeral

message: 'The real distinction between a state funeral and a ceremonial funeral is that a state funeral requires a motion or vote in Parliament.'
Is there any source whatsoever for that? As far as I know a state funeral is given by command of the monarch, not by Parliament. --Ibagli (Talk) 03:25, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vote in parliament

message: Does anybody have a link to perhaps a PDF version of the mentioned 138-page planning document for state funerals, or is this secure information?
: It would also be good to have a citation for the requirement that Presidents make funeral plans immediately upon election. Baylaurel (talk) 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Funeral arrangements

message: It is impossible to list and detail every country and former country in the world on this page. The article should start out with some general aspects of state funerals and link to individual pages on state funerals eg State funerals in the United States for each country.--Jiang 01:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed -- SNIyer12, 15:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization of article 

message: Were the legs of Brezhnev, Andropov & Chereneko amputated around the knees? I've found their lower bodies seemed strangley short within their open caskets. GoodDay (talk) 21:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suspect that's an optical illusion caused by the long cut of soviet suit jackets. RomanSpa (talk) 02:53, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Soviet state Funerals

message: I feel that the section "State funeral for King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV" is overly large and descriptive for such a specific event, I think it should be trimmed down or moved to a page specifically for this event. any objections/comments? FRA (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Huge section for "State funeral for King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV" 

message: "The real distinction between a state funeral and a ceremonial funeral is that a state funeral requires a motion or vote in Parliament. 
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However, state funerals may also be granted and accorded to other individuals who make significant contributions to the nation by a resolution of the United States Congress. "
So the Congress and the UK Parliament are only in session for about half of the year.   What happens when some celeb who deserves a state funeral dies some time during the rest of the year ?   Do they postpone the funeral indefinitely until the legislature reconvenes to authorise it ?Eregli bob (talk) 11:25, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well that's as may be,  but is there always months and months of foreknowledge of a former President's death ?Eregli bob (talk) 08:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Authorized by the legislature 

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message: A good portion of this article simply lists people who has received a state funeral, and for some countries that's the only information given. I'd say we lift all them out of this into a separate list article - still sorted by country of course - and let this one be simply about the concept by county. Gaioa (T C L) 12:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps simply "list of state funerals"? The suggestion is a better alternative to bogging down this article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: *I would support "List of state funerals" along with "List of state funerals in X" for the nations with long lists (or "State funerals in X" where there is information) - I think that if there is going to be a location-based split as proposed, the main article should not be divided by location and instead be an overview of what state funerals are and a global historical overview (popularity/significance of state funerals). If possible. Kingsif (talk) 10:05, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

text: *:I agree with this as well. We could name it "List of people that has recieved a state funeral" instead of calling it "list of state funerals" Dulcetia (talk) 11:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested split July 2020 

message: Since there is no "Middle East" section, and a lack of precedence for Europe or Asia with nearby nations, does anyone have a suggestion where to include Israel and Palestine? There is some information that could be included in prose, like the protocol for state funerals in Israel is called "Havazelet", and several notable figures - we even have an article for the state funeral of Ariel Sharon. Kingsif (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israel and Palestine 

message: Is thereany turkey's state funeral? 2A02:E0:867C:AB00:2079:67CF:D859:D6CB (talk) 16:11, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkey