Talk:Phage monographs

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===History of list===
Scientific disciplines often are not defined by their books but, rather, are reflected by them: A book is an author's or editor's sense of what is important in one subdiscipline, or an entire field, at one particular moment — within the constraints of whatever limitations have been placed on content, typically as by the publisher. Important limitations include such things as space, color plates, merit, etc. With the advent of the World Wide Web, many of these old limits no longer exist, though potentially at the cost of permanence. An author (or authors) today (as of September, 2006) can write anything they want, and reach a wide audience. But they will stay in "print" only so long as their web host stays in business and/or appropriate fees are paid. Wikipedia suggests a compromise, where, contrasting to one's own web page, content, in principle, may last "forever". Of course "forever" will be in a mutable form, but that also means that both error correction and updating are possible. Indeed, are encouraged!
Within this context, this article consists of a list of phage monographs (as loosely defined) dating back to 1921 (phage are viruses of bacteria). The list was created — because of the space limitations of traditional print — during the writing of the first chapter of the edited monograph Bacteriophage EcologyBacteriophage Ecology, Population Growth, Evolution, and Impact of Bacterial Viruses Series: Advances in Molecular and Cellular Microbiology (No. 15), Edited by Stephen T. Abedon, Ohio State; pub.Cambridge University Press, ISBN-13: 9780521858458 and eBook and in order to be cited by that chapter. A forerunner of this list can be found in the 1 January 2005 issueJanuary 1, 2005, issue (#23), Bacteriophage Ecology Group News of the Bacteriophage Ecology Group News, an online newsletter of the Bacteriophage Ecology Group. See phage ecology for more on that subdiscipline of phage biology and ecology.
===Editing list===
An approximation of ASM (American Society for Microbiology) conventions are used throughout. Titles (or English translations) have been presented in bold to allow for rapid scanning, and italics have been avoided both to improve readability and as consistent with ASM conventions. OCLC refers to a monograph's WorldCat accession number. ASIN is the Amazon Standard Identification Number (shown if ISBN is not known).
*Bullets indicate uncertainty about the appropriateness of an entry for this list. If you feel that a monograph should be removed from this list then please indicate why in brackets at the end of the entry (in italics), e.g., [this entry should be removed from this list because... ]
Help with cyrillic lettering, transliterations, translations, missing information, uncited monographs, etc. is much appreciated. Please contact Dr. Stephen T. Abedon (through www.phage.org) with suggested changes or, of course, feel free to make changes (including updating) as appropriate.
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:Rich Farmbrough, 22:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Moved from article

message: An approximation of ASM (American Society for Microbiology) conventions are used throughout. Titles (or English translations) have been presented in bold to allow for rapid scanning, and italics have been avoided both to improve readability and as consistent with ASM conventions. OCLC refers to a monograph's WorldCat accession number. ASIN is the Amazon Standard Identification Number (shown if ISBN is not known).
*Bullets indicate uncertainty about the appropriateness of an entry for this list. If you feel that a monograph should be removed from this list then please indicate why in brackets at the end of the entry (in italics), e.g., [this entry should be removed from this list because... ]
Help with cyrillic lettering, transliterations, translations, missing information, uncited monographs, etc. is much appreciated. Please contact Dr. Stephen T. Abedon (through www.phage.org) with suggested changes or, of course, feel free to make changes (including updating) as appropriate.
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:Rich Farmbrough, 22:06, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Editing list

message: Burnet wrote a chapter on phage for the Medical Research Council's "System of Bacteriology"  (around 1928). Is this relevant?--Peta 23:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Chapters

message: I've refactored Neelix' above post from 17:36, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continued discussion 

message: *Keep all types of bibliography pages in the article space - Pages like Phage monographs, Bibliography of the War in Darfur, and Irish Railway bibliography are valid as articles or lists and should be kept in the article space.
** Observation: All three examples fall are lists by topic without annotation, and are extensive but not all-inclusive. Any discussions on what to include or exclude would have to reside on their respective talkpages.LeadSongDog come howl 20:43, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep all 

message: * Where there is a definitive scholarly purpose.  Apparatus pages are useful, where they reside is detail.  See also glossaries, indices, categories etc.  For example a bibliography of facsimiles of Cotton Ms would be useful, an indiscriminate bibliography of books about John Lennon less so.  Rich Farmbrough, 21:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Keep some

message: *Move bibliography pages (other than author-specific bibliographies) to subpages of the appropriate articles - Pages like Phage monographs, Bibliography of the War in Darfur, and Irish Railway bibliography are not valid encyclopaedic content to keep in the article space, but would be helpful to users for primary source information and should be located where any user can easily find them (ie. on subpages).
**Sub pages of what? Sub-pages are not permitted in article space. They were once; but that facility was deliberately withdrawn some time ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to sub 

message: *Move bibliography pages (other than author-specific bibliographies) to a new bibliography space - Pages like Phage monographs, Bibliography of the War in Darfur, and Irish Railway bibliography are not valid encyclopaedic content to keep anywhere that random users are likely to look, but would be useful for editors in the creation of articles if moved to a bibliography space.
** observation: This is similar in concept to how  uses subpages in template space for bibliographic data on journal citations orgainized by [[[DOI]], creating transcludable templates for each citation. It's a clever technical answer, but by keeping it in template space, I believe it has been doomed to fail. That space really shouldn't be full of data. A separate data space would be much cleaner. LeadSongDog come howl 20:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move to space 

message: *Merge topical (non-author-specific) bibliography pages into their respective parent articles on the same topic - Pages like Phage monographs, Bibliography of the War in Darfur, and Irish Railway bibliography are not valid encyclopaedic content as their own independent articles, but would be helpful to users for primary source information and should be located where any user can easily find them (i.e. on the articles for that topic as "Further reading" sections). Some trimming would be necessary to keep the resulting new sections from overwhelming the articles. Works specific to sub-topics would be moved to the respective articles (if they exist), rather than the most main/general article on the topic.
**Propose as a more moderate option that has been previously pursued with a fair amount of success. --Cybercobra (talk) 21:48, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trim & merge into related articles 

message: Some lists of books have been added to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. You can find the discussions here. RockMagnetist (talk) 22:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alert: lists of publications in Articles for deletion