Talk:History of aviation in Alaska

message: Until I figure out how to do this, here's my assessment of the importance (high) and quality (stub) of this article. Deirdre (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

message: I don't see why listing hundreds of random pilots is necessary, especially considering that most of them are probably not significant historical figures. As far as I can tell, the easiest solution will just be to remove all pilots other than those who already have articles (ones that show up as bluelinks). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 18:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: *This was never much of an article, but now it has turned into a joke. There's only one sentence of actual content, and then a long list of names, most of which do not have their own article or any other reason specified that they should be listed. This isn't supposed to be a list of pilots, but an article detailing aviation history in Alaska. I'm beggining to think maybe it should just be redirected elsewhere as it's been here for years but never expanded beyond a stub, and now it's just gotten ridiculous. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is very little content here, I'll go ahead and delete the names that aren't linked. Fuzbaby (talk) 04:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Don't worry about getting them listed here in the article namespace just yet. Remember that I made you a copy of this article in your userspace at User:RoyDickson/History of Aviation in Alaska. As for getting them listed, you may wish to create a seperate list article (something like List of glider pilots at User:RoyDickson/List of Alaskan pilots or User:RoyDickson/List of Alaskan bush pilots. You would have to prove their notability with reliable sources (educational/government publications).If they did indeed get into the Alaska aviation hall of fame, then they probably are notable enough to qualify getting listed. These people should meet Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Notability (people), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Notability. However, as there is no set criteria for pilots, a general consensus regarding their notability should suffice. So for now, list the pilots in your userspace, and I'll let you know which ones are/arent't notable enough to get listed. Thanks.Smallman12q (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Copied from the thread at my userpage, here is my opinion on what standards to use for notability: You probably want WP:NLIST (notability criterion for lists of people), and WP:ANYBIO (general notability guideline for people). Most notability guides are not relevant because they tend to be about whether something is notable enough for its own article, rather than notable enough to be in a list. For lists, the concern is more with style guidelines than notability per se; the question is whether an article benefits from a giant list of people for whom significance isn't demonstrated (ie, people who have done nothing other than have a career). rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 19:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see each name added to the list be notable enough that they could have at least (a small) an article of their own. However, from my read of Rjanag's post people in a list don't need to meet quiete that standard, so you could argue for inclusion of some that wouldn't merit their own pages, but it might be a good place to start with the ones who do. I'd be interested to see your additions about former air carriers. Fuzbaby (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

text: What you could do is make a list of these air carriers as a separate article. See List_of_airlines for examples.Smallman12q (talk) 23:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Long list of pilots

message: Just a notice to any editors involved, User:RoyDickson recently created List of Alaskan aviators. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:43, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: New page