Talk:Dan Burton

message: His kicking of the thimerosal anthill ought to be fit in somehow. ("You mean to tell me since 1929 we've been using thimerosal and the only test that you know of is the one that was done in 1929, and every one of those people got meningitis and they all died?" 19 Jul 2002) It was a service to mankind that made up for Helms-Burton. 142.177.169.163 21:26, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  kicking of thimerosal 

message: I removed this:
"Burton is perhaps best known for his efforts to prove that former White House aide Vince Foster was murdered.  He is said to have fired shots at a watermelon or pumpkin in his backyard to test a theory about Foster's death."
because it is unsourced opinion. By whom is he said to have shot a watermelon? I don't object to having the observation included as long as there is a reputable  source for it. As to what he is best known for, I guess that's debatable; I do wonder; Of the people who know who Dan Burton is, how many know who Vince Foster was? Tom harrison 17:36, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd have to say that his notoriety is due far more to having a child out of wedlock than being a promoter of the Vince Foster fracas.
All it takes to find proof for these is to do a Google search; I found an article by Time stating the exact thing quoted above four results down after searching "dan burton vince foster".  Before removing, place a citation tag to allow other editors to find a source for the information if you can't.--Gloriamarie 19:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true in general, but for biographies of living people, the citation needs to be included when the material is added. If there is no citation, the material must be removed until one is provided. Tom Harrison Talk 14:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Perhaps best known? Said to have? 

message: To repair the creation of the ill-advised Dab, i am merging the histories of both titles. The following will aid in decoding the confusingly interleaved histories. 
=== Edits made to Dan Burton Dab page ===
* 22:28, 28 December 2005 Folajimi 
* 22:26, 28 December 2005 Folajimi 
* 21:18, 28 December 2005 Folajimi 
* 19:27, 28 December 2005 Folajimi (moved Dan Burton to Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman): Disambiguation needed.) 
=== Edits made to Dan Burton bio article its later title Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman) ===
* 19:27, 28 December 2005 Folajimi m (moved Dan Burton to Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman)) 
* 17:06, 6 December 2005 Jossi m (Reverted edits by 69.214.26.195 (talk) to last version by Elliskev) 
* 16:59, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195 
* 16:58, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195 
* 14:47, 30 November 2005 Elliskev (recat) 
* 22:02, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman m (→External link - touchups, Wikifications) 
* 21:35, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman (add autism section & links) 
* 17:36, 22 October 2005 Tom harrison (see talk page) 
* 17:07, 22 October 2005 Pasboudin (rv unexplained deletion of half the article) 
* 05:19, 20 October 2005 RobyWayne m (Popups-assisted disambiguation from Indiana University to Indiana University system) 
* 17:16, 12 October 2005 Tom harrison (rv - 'said to have' by who?) 
* 17:14, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 17:12, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 17:11, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 01:10, 12 October 2005 Stinerman m (possible vandalism) 
* 07:43, 8 October 2005 66.75.251.45 
* 15:28, 26 May 2005 68.33.112.26 
* 02:45, 26 April 2005 161.253.50.24 
* 03:28, 15 April 2005 Rogerd (added photo) 
* 03:31, 14 April 2005 Rogerd (IN-FedRep) 
* 14:05, 17 March 2005 Seth Ilys (link to congressional district map) 
* 04:09, 22 November 2004 Postdlf 
* 20:57, 16 October 2004 D6 m (adding Category:1938 births , see WP:People by year) 
* 00:20, 12 August 2004 Everyking 
* 15:21, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr 
* 15:17, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr 
* 15:09, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr (not a stub) 
* 03:21, 9 December 2003 Jiang (full name) 
* 03:20, 9 December 2003 Jiang 
* 03:25, 7 December 2003 Angela m (fmt#) 
* 01:10, 7 December 2003 Davodd (stub -- pub domain bio)
Keep unproven attacks out of the bios. Anyone can make a partisan accusation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.224.67.23 (talk • contribs) .
:Stop removing sourced information simply because it happens to reflect poorly on a person. older ≠ wiser 19:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  History Merge of [[Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman)]] & [[Dan Burton]] 

message: * 19:27, 28 December 2005 Folajimi m (moved Dan Burton to Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman)) 
* 17:06, 6 December 2005 Jossi m (Reverted edits by 69.214.26.195 (talk) to last version by Elliskev) 
* 16:59, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195 
* 16:58, 6 December 2005 69.214.26.195 
* 14:47, 30 November 2005 Elliskev (recat) 
* 22:02, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman m (→External link - touchups, Wikifications) 
* 21:35, 29 November 2005 Ombudsman (add autism section & links) 
* 17:36, 22 October 2005 Tom harrison (see talk page) 
* 17:07, 22 October 2005 Pasboudin (rv unexplained deletion of half the article) 
* 05:19, 20 October 2005 RobyWayne m (Popups-assisted disambiguation from Indiana University to Indiana University system) 
* 17:16, 12 October 2005 Tom harrison (rv - 'said to have' by who?) 
* 17:14, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 17:12, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 17:11, 12 October 2005 156.33.25.54 
* 01:10, 12 October 2005 Stinerman m (possible vandalism) 
* 07:43, 8 October 2005 66.75.251.45 
* 15:28, 26 May 2005 68.33.112.26 
* 02:45, 26 April 2005 161.253.50.24 
* 03:28, 15 April 2005 Rogerd (added photo) 
* 03:31, 14 April 2005 Rogerd (IN-FedRep) 
* 14:05, 17 March 2005 Seth Ilys (link to congressional district map) 
* 04:09, 22 November 2004 Postdlf 
* 20:57, 16 October 2004 D6 m (adding Category:1938 births , see WP:People by year) 
* 00:20, 12 August 2004 Everyking 
* 15:21, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr 
* 15:17, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr 
* 15:09, 23 December 2003 Adam Carr (not a stub) 
* 03:21, 9 December 2003 Jiang (full name) 
* 03:20, 9 December 2003 Jiang 
* 03:25, 7 December 2003 Angela m (fmt#) 
* 01:10, 7 December 2003 Davodd (stub -- pub domain bio)
Keep unproven attacks out of the bios. Anyone can make a partisan accusation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.224.67.23 (talk • contribs) .
:Stop removing sourced information simply because it happens to reflect poorly on a person. older ≠ wiser 19:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits made to [[Dan Burton]] bio article its later title [[Dan Burton (U.S. Congressman)]] 

message: The succession information on this page is incorrect.  It states that he succeeded Steve Buyer in 2003 as Indiana's 5th district congressman and prior to that he was the 6th district congressman.  While technically correct, the post-2002 seat that Burton now holds is not the same district (I don't think there is any overlap) as the pre-2002 district that Buyer held.  This is because, as a result of the 2000 Census, Indiana lost a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives and the 10 pre-2002 districts were re-drawn to the current 9 districts.  Burton's current district is largely a superset of his old district, and has mostly the same constituents as before, plus a few more.  In other words, Burton got a new district number, not a new district.  The same thing happened to some of the other members of the Indiana delegation.  --rogerd 00:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Succession 

message: I've removed most of the details of awards that Burton has received, as well as lengthy discussion of the history of the RSC (covered in another article, anyway), and most of the discussion of a bill he sponsored that failed. Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. Per WP:NPOV, giving excessive amounts of space to relatively unimportant things is itself a violation of the principal of neutrality.
Wikipedia should serve as a place where those interested can (for example) follow a link to see all the awards that Burton has garnered, not as a place to collect, show, and try to keep updated such a list. Besides which, that stuff is boring to most readers, precisely because it is relatively unimportant. -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 18:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessively detailed information 

message: Rome just read directly off this page on his radio show. He said several times "I'm getting this right off Wikipedia." It was in reference to what Burton said about Brian McNamee. He read the part about Burton being a "skirt-chaser" and Burton marrying the doctor that treated his mother. Enigma (talk) 17:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All of which means that it's absolutely critical to build articles like this from reliable sources, and to provide links to those sources so that readers can find out more details (as well as verifying that what's in the Wikipedia article is actually coming from such sources). Reliable sources are also what keeps the Wikimedia Foundation - and editors of the Wikipedia article - from being sued (successfully, at least) for libel. -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 23:43, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jim Rome 

message: The recent additions by IP addresses haven't been the most helpful, but I think there should be a section on what happened on Capitol Hill on Wednesday. Enigma (talk) 18:08, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've not been following the story at all, but if what Burton did/said has been discussed in the news, then sure, there should be a section. Perhaps we could start by collecting a few links, here, from which to build the section? Or someone can simply be bold and start something. But please, please - use reliable sources, don't just insert text based on what you saw on TV, or heard on the radio, or read in a blog. And cite those sources. -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 23:40, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Burton and McNamee 

message: ===Illegal Immigration ===
After this section was removed citing WP:NOT I restored part of the edit because I disagree with the non-notability assertion. CredoFromStart  talk 17:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: CredoFromStart and I discussed this; he agreed that since the legislation never passed, it's not notable per se. As we discussed, newspaper articles reporting the controversy about the legislation (if in fact there were such) would be worth mentioning, plus a short summary of the legislation.
=== Defense of Marriage Act ===
Burton was one of 117 co-sponsors. The House probably passes several hundred bills per year, and any given House member is probably co-sponsor of dozens of these, at minimum. If we included a section about each one, for each Congressperson who was a co-sponsor, then Wikipedia articles would consist mostly of hundreds of sections describing bills.
Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. If Burton's involvement with this particular bill was so substantial that newspapers and/or news magazines described what he did in some detail - and obviously those newspaper and other sources need to be cited - then fine, there should be such a section. But if he merely added his name to a long list of co-sponsors, then sorry, that's not important. (There is already a section on his conservative political stance, and I suppose this could be added, but that would then start making that into a laundry list.)  -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 23:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Please do not remove cited material in order to retaliate against another editor.  I've reverted your deletions. Gamaliel (talk) 04:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of legislation 

message: Burton was one of 117 co-sponsors. The House probably passes several hundred bills per year, and any given House member is probably co-sponsor of dozens of these, at minimum. If we included a section about each one, for each Congressperson who was a co-sponsor, then Wikipedia articles would consist mostly of hundreds of sections describing bills.
Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collector of information. If Burton's involvement with this particular bill was so substantial that newspapers and/or news magazines described what he did in some detail - and obviously those newspaper and other sources need to be cited - then fine, there should be such a section. But if he merely added his name to a long list of co-sponsors, then sorry, that's not important. (There is already a section on his conservative political stance, and I suppose this could be added, but that would then start making that into a laundry list.)  -- John Broughton   (♫♫) 23:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do not remove cited material in order to retaliate against another editor.  I've reverted your deletions. Gamaliel (talk) 04:18, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Defense of Marriage Act 

message: what the hell is so controversial about golfing? John Asfukzenski (talk) 02:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Read the paragraph. It's not that he plays golf, it's that he was taking free stuff. Just read it. It's self-explanatory. Golf is not controversial in and of itself, no. Enigmamsg 02:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Golfing? 

message: I'm curious as to why the passage about his daughter receiving a salary was included under controversies.  The passage even states that no law seems to have been broken.  Even if we accept that premise that it's "legal but still questionable", then why aren't the more prolific offenders having their wiki bios amended to include their activities in this regard?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.244.13 (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Daughter 

message: Interesting article:
* Rep. Dan Burton's Legacy: Lots of Sick Kids. by Stephanie Mencimer, Mother Jones, Jan. 31, 2012 
Brangifer (talk) 07:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rep. Dan Burton's Legacy: Lots of Sick Kids 

message: I think his support of Laetrile and his condemnation of vaccines should probably be documented under the "controversies" section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angmar09 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laetrile and other alternative medicine claims 

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message: Special:Diff/1164879696 "Most manufacturers removed the preservatives from their vaccines anyway, with no resulting decrease in autism rates" - precisely because there is no link between vaccines and autism anyway.  But the suggested source, while not particularly bad, did not meet WP:MEDRS.  —PaleoNeonate – 00:18, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
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