Talk:Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry

message: Started this stub: will add more as my Wikipedia ability grows - this is my first article to start editing from scratch.Kim dent brown 11:21, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Initial comments

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message: This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of February 7, 2008, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?:   Not bad. I did a brief copy-edit, but I think some of the prose could use minor work, specifically by removing extra words, etc. I'll be happy to help if need be.
:2. Factually accurate?: 
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Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. Lazulilasher (talk) 18:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination on hold

message: The opening paragraph (or lead section) should concisely convey:
# The formal name of the unit, its abbreviation, and its nickname(s).  
# What is the unit's country or allegiance?  
# What service (Air Force, Army, or Navy) was the unit part of?  
# When was it formed?    DONE 
# If the unit no longer exists, when was it disbanded or deactivated?  DONE 
#*Please add this to the lead, with a brief explanation Lazulilasher (talk) 18:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unit or formation 

message: As I udnerstand it, and as most of the top level articles here seem to agree, the Militia and Yeomanry were distinct entities.  The Militia was infantry only, and there was even an element of conscription, the Yeomanry were cavalry, and as members provided their own mount, generally of a slightly higher socal class.  David Underdown (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's my understanding too. Is the text of the article confusing in this respect? I'll have another look, but if you can see it with fresh eyes all the better! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:42, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't any more becuase i changed it but in the "Early history" section section it said something like "the Militia, of which the Yeomanry was part was not liable for service overseas", and soemthing similar realting to the fomration of the Territorial Force.  David Underdown (talk) 17:47, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - just seen that! Should have checked the article before the talk page.... Nice work, reads very clearly. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Militia and Yeomanry 

message: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/SearchResults.aspx?GeoType=London&st=adv&sb=date&hedocid=1143692&FDay=15&FMth=3&FYr=1939&TDay=31&TMth=12&TYr=1948&exact=Royal%20Wiltshire%20Yeomanry& this search turns up one fo the DSOs, all the MCs, half the MMs (and a bonus MBE) - individual Gazette issues could be added as further referencing if desired.  David Underdown (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That's brilliant David, many thanks. Should have thought to do that anyway after you brought the Gazette up on the George Cross articles. Will add these citations (certainly the DSO) as and when I can get some time. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've tried seaching on various abbreviated versions of the name, but haven't managed to turn the rest of them up.  Of ourse, if any of your sources mention the names of those decorated, it should be possible to find them by that route.  David Underdown (talk) 17:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I know one of them was the B Sqn commander at El Alamein, Major M.StJ.V.Gibbs. I'll look up the other/s when I'm back home. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 17:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He's the one that's already in the search results: "Lieutenant (temporary Captain) (acting Major) Martin St. John Valentine _Gibbs (73516)" (should be the 3rd result).  It will only be the DSOs (if any) which give detailed citations in the Gazette, Gibbs's doesn't, and the MCs and MMs will certainly just give the bare fact of the award.  Though full details of the recommendation may be available from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=7655991&queryType=1&resultcount=1 (again this is for Gibbs).  However, it'll cost you £3.50 to see it (unless you happen to be at The National Archives).  David Underdown (talk) 18:05, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doh, if you search in the same place on regiment, you should get all the names http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=corpname%3droyal%20wiltshire%20yeomanry&catid=22&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=* and it does at least tell you what they were awarded - there seems to be an (American) Bronze Star in there as well.  David Underdown (talk) 18:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, fantastic, there they all are with dates of Gazetting and all! Do you think it's too much detail for a Wikipedia article, or should they all go in do you think? Could set them up as a table, perhaps. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 18:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well with the gazette dates if you just reference the individual Gazettes, then people can look at them if they want, whether or not it's worth putting all the names in I don't know. several of the MCs and MMs were on consecutive pages of a single Gazette, which would reduce the overhead slightly as we can just give the start and endpages (bear in mind with the dates that if they're in supllemetns, the date given on the gazette website is usually the date of the original Gazette, not the date the supplement was actually published, so you might need to allow for a few days either side).  The article is reasonably detailed already, but I must admit that here I added potted biographies of each of the members of an RAF squadron that I found were decorated in WWII.  David Underdown (talk) 18:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WWII decorations 

message: I'm tagging the statement  as failed verification. The source describes only a meeting to discuss the Provisional Cavalry Act. The provisional cavalry was a separate entity to the yeomanry, and anyway the source makes no explicit mention of the formation of any regiment. Factotem (talk) 13:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this statement is doubtful: I would delete it. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 13:15, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I do believe the regiment was formed then, but its a shame that the info was unsourced - I could have used it for my work on the yeomanry article. Oh well. Factotem (talk) 13:32, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amalgamation of individual troops to form a regiment