Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 44

message: I've started a new section as the previous long discussion was veering in this direction.  Anyhow, now that I check User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult every day, I put up 'problem flags' including  and , where applicable, although I don't usually have time to do much about actually finding the refs, and some of the articles are a waste of time as their notability is very dodgy, e.g. these latest opera-related ones - Scott J. McCoy and Charne Rochford. (I also add the Opera Project banner to the talk pages if applicable.) Is there some kind of bot similar to the one above that can generate lists of opera-related articles that are also marked with either  or ? It would provide a useful list that we could dip into when we've got spare time to make some improvements.  If a subject is truly notable, it only takes about 10 minutes to find and add at least a couple of references. Best Voceditenore 13:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'To Do' page was set up (as an automatic list) by SatyrTN and I'm sure he would be happy to make any changes we thought necessary. In the past we have tried to ensure that each article has at least one reference. This has been a modest target and I'm not convinced we can do better given the number of editors here. Our first task (as noted before!) should really be to verify the articles listed in the 'To do' list. -- Kleinzach 23:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Improving Referencing

message: Just thought I'd share. Vanished user talk 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful to see :-) Lethe 19:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Offenbach

message: I've made a new archive page (see link under the icon at the top of the page). This is to save space here, but also to make the archive potentially more accessible by providing space to date and pick out the contents of individual archives. -- Kleinzach 03:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found there is an archive indexing bot at User:HBC Archive Indexerbot. It's a bit complicated but I'm hoping to make an index at Opera Project archive index. Best. -- Kleinzach 03:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New archive page

message: What to do... there is an article The Hostage (ballad) dealing with 1) Schiller's poem 2) Schubert's setting and 3) Schubert's incomplete opera, apparently based on the same source.   I'm inclined to move it to Die Bürgschaft (Schiller) or just Die Bürgschaft since the poem is probably much less well-known than the song (I note a recent translation uses the same title, though).   Unfortunatly I cant find a translation of Brecht's Über Schillers Gedicht "Die Burgschaft", which might have been the clincher.   I'm now quite curious about Weill's opera; is it in fact related?Sparafucil 07:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently it's no relation whatsoever.  According to Grove, Weill's opera is based on Johann Gottfried Herder's tale Der afrikanische Rechtspruch.  Grove translates the title as The Pledge (and the The Pledge link from the Kurt Weill page goes to a thriller by Friedrich Dürrenmatt called not Die Bürgschaft but Das Versprechen, and a Jack Nicolson film).  Good luck! --GuillaumeTell 11:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sparafucil, I see you have moved the red link to Die Bürgschaft (Weill) instead of Die Bürgschaft (opera). Why is that? Is there another opera? An unwritten article? I don't get it. -- Kleinzach 23:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: It's possible to have a disambiguation page for Die Bürgschaft - if necessary - but not for Die Bürgschaft (opera). (Common sense really . . . .) There's no point in having it as a redirect either. Die Bürgschaft (opera) should either be for the Schubert (if that's the correct title) or the Weill. It doesn't matter much which it is. If the Schubert article doesn't exist, then the Weill should be Die Bürgschaft (opera). -- Kleinzach 13:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There are good reasons why there isn't (and probably shouldn't be) an article on the Schubert opera - it was unfinished, the torso has hardly ever been performed, the anonymous libretto is universally rubbished, I haven't been able to find the libretto or a synopsis or even a summary of the plot for it, neither Opera Grove nor Viking has an article on it, and there are more pressing operatic matters that need to be attended to before anyone spends any time on this. (Some of its numbers have, however, been recorded.)  On the other hand, both Grove and Viking have articles on the Weill opera, and this is a good month for starting a Wikipedia article on it. --GuillaumeTell 01:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: OK I will correct Die Bürgschaft (Weill) to Die Bürgschaft (opera). -- Kleinzach 02:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Die Bürgschaft

message: Page(s) related to this project have been created and/or added to one of the Wikipedia:Contents subpages (not by me).
*List of basic opera topics
This note is to let you know, so that experts in the field can expand them and check them for accuracy, and so that they can be added to any watchlists/tasklists, and have any appropriate project banners added, etc. Thanks. --Quiddity 19:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice of List articles 

message: Thanks to Krellis and the HBC Archive Indexerbot we now have an index to our archives! It's at Opera Project archive index. 
One thing worth noting: we should avoid starting new topics with apostrophes, quote marks, accents etc. so that indexing is correct. (I've removed them from some articles so the next bot run indexes all the topics properly). Reread! Relive! Enjoy! -- Kleinzach 00:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive index now available!

message: Is it just me, or is this still in a pretty shameful state for such a popular opera? We don't even have the French titles... Vanished user talk 01:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is at the point - like many others - where it needs the attention of someone who has a good recording together with the libretto. (A discography would also be worthwhile.) -- Kleinzach 01:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Orpheus in the Underworld]] 

message: I'm putting these links to pdf files here in case any of you want to download them for future reference. This especially applies to the SF Opera one which may not stay on the site after the current La rondine run ends. The La Fenice ones probably will stay on line permanently, but you never know.
Programme notes on La rondine by Gavin Plumley, San Francisco Opera
'Programme di sala' from La Fenice.  These are fab, albeit in Italian. They contain full librettos, extensive essays on the operas, many illustrations with original playbills and posters, role creators' portraits, original set and costume designs, score extracts, etc.
*La traviata 
*Rigoletto 
*Luisa Miller 
*Simon Boccanegra (both versions!) 
*Maria di Rohan 
*Pia de' Tolomei 
Best, Voceditenore 23:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, superb. -- Kleinzach 00:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Online resources