Talk:Slovak language

message: I propose standardisation of sections and their order, in regard to other article on similar languages, like Croatian, Czech, Polish, Slovene, Lithuanian, Estonian, Romanian etc. See Danish language, very nice article.
I found Polish order particularly fine. I.e. History, Geographic distribution, Dialects, Phonology, Ortography, Grammar.
Seems to be useful to have section on Using/Use, including official use and status, somewhere. 
I give my vote in favour of Literature overview (with link to literature) in article on language. 
Then, I added already a section with sample text from Universal Declaration.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipcontributor800 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Now, I have merged so called Syntax and Morphology under united section ,,Grammar". It is based on more common pattern on wikipedia, see e.g. Polish, Estonian. And English. This is English language wikipedia, anyway, but Slovak is central European language. So article should reflect on that. Wikipcontributor800 (talk) 18:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  General Editing 

message: There is an orphaned article in the Wikipedia, Ïanà, which is identified as a French-influenced dialect of Slovakian.
As such, would it be appropriate to include a link to that article from the article on the Slovak language? I'm no linguist, so I am not sure. Kevyn 02:50, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I've been had... ;-) So is there a category for best bogus Wikipedia entries? LOL Kevyn 07:51, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ïanà as a Slovak dialect? 

message: I have a strong suspicion that Ïanà article is completely bogus. Why it is not impossible that such a language has been invented (however the date given puts it before the planned languages boom inspired by Esperanto), the sentence about existing speakers makes me highly suspicious.
: OK, I've been had... ;-) So is there a category for best bogus Wikipedia entries? LOL Kevyn 07:51, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  bogus? 

message: Ïanà is now listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion Kevyn 22:30, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Now on VfD

message: Isn't it true that in those long consonant clusters, what's really happening is that 'r' is functioning as a vowel?  If that's true, we should explain it that way.
The text DOES say that (right at the beginning)...Juro 14:58, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long "consonant" clusters 

message: I've copied Slovak lyric to Hey, Slavs from the web . It's all in ASCII; I corrected the ČŠŽ letters where I could guess them, but it needs a native speaker for other diacritics, as well as a thorough checking for correctness.
Additions to the article and/or comments are appreciated as well. Zocky 15:29, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovak lyrics at [[Hey, Slavs]] 

message: i am just learning and it seems real fun
Just a question is slovak closer to russian or to serbo-croatian? - Lazar
:Depends on how you define "closer". Grammar has probably the same "distance" from Russian and Serbocroatian, lexica is maybe a bit closer to serbocroatian, and pronunciation is closer to serbocroatian because of Russian polnoglasie. rado 07:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And vocabulary is closer to Serbo-Croatian. Russian vocab is quite different from the rest of the Slavic languages because of the high number of russified French and German words. Jancikotuc 14:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  French words like frekvente? Oh wait, that's Slovak. This is all speculation anyway. They are about the same. In terms of pronunciation don't forget that serbocroatian has letters like ђ. -Iopq 09:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Hej! Chceš vedieť po Slovensky? Ja ta to nenaučím! --84.47.45.41 (talk) 19:03, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  hey 

message: What happened to the "trivia" section? Rmpfu89 17:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, should i put there a statement that Slovak language, despite having far fewer speakers than, say, Turkish, Korean or Hebrew, has got more Wikipedia articles?? Please answer. Jancikotuc 15:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You should not. Juro 15:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you shouldn't specially because it's not true (at least in regard to one of them, i didn't bother to check the rest).131.211.101.235 (talk) 18:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should not. Please see Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid, esp. this section. —Daniel Šebesta {chat | contribs} 20:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  trivia 

message: Hi people, i've got a feeling that descriptions for the Gerund and the Present Participle are swapped. i'm not a linguist so i cannot modify it and vouch for the correctness, but i'm a native Slovak speaker and that's quite enough.
Yes, the gerund and the present participle are the same in English (A *sleeping* man. -- A man was lying there, *sleeping*.), but NOT in Slovak. That might be the cause of this error. Jancikotuc 13:34, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: With the "small" detail that there is no gerund in Slovak... What is call gerund in the article is actually a transgressive. rado 17:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, i must disagree. If i get some linguist involved and they agree with me, i'll let you know... Jancikotuc 17:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  There's an error in the Verbs section 

message: Is biele read /biɛlɛ/ or /bjɛlɛ/ or /bʲɛlɛ/? -Iopq 09:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: last one. 78.98.59.92 (talk) 13:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

text: Actually, it should be /bi̯ɛlɛ/ (Slovak does not have palatalized /b/), but since this is phonemic, not phonetic transcription, #2 is O.K. and #3 is acceptable. rado 18:20, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, I thought the small symbol was an I; if it is a small palatalization-J from IPA, then #3 is wrong. Juro 20:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Moreover, #3 is Slovak spoken with a Russian accent and #1 with Hungarian :-) rado 22:24, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks, maybe someone can incorporate non-syllabic vowels into the article? -Iopq 10:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ia, ie, iu form diphthongs /i̯a/ /i̯ɛ/ /i̯u/ in native Slovak words, - it is already mentioned there (I wrote it some time ago :-)), however, the article itself is quite a mess, thanks to accumulated cruft over all the editions. rado 20:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yet it's STILL unclear to me if uhlie is /uhli̯ɛ/ or /uhlʲi̯ɛ/ because it says nothing about what happens to the preceding consonant. According to the article, it should be palatalized - "ne, de, te, le, ni, di etc. are pronounced as if there were a caron above the consonant" but is that what happens? -Iopq 11:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  it should be /uɦli̯ɛ/, /l/ is not palatalized anymore in standard Slovak before "e" or "i" (however, it is palatalized in some dialects and in official prescribed language version). However, the consonants are traditionally not described as palatalized, but as true palatals, i.e. it would be /ʎ/in this case. I wrote the IPA table with palatals, but someone thought he knew better and re-wrote it with palatalized consonants, and I had no strength to fight :-) rado 17:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

text: The pronunciation is noted in the table below Cunikm (talk) 08:38, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Slovak spelling 

message: Just to say that I've removed the reference to the German pronunciation of "ch" in ch – Scottish ch, for example in Loch Ness (like German ch in Bach, Russian х).
The Germans pronounce 'Bach' with an ach-Laut that is to say the voiceless velar fricative [x].
: And so do Slovaks, what's the problem? -Iopq 07:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it is the same - in some positions (like after "o" and "u"), and not the same (like after "a" and "e", "i", "ö" and "ü"). Anyway this pronounciation example is quite popular in anglophone literature about other languages... But "Loch" is a good example and sufficient. Qubux 18:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  German pronunciation 

message: These are certainly not pronounced in the same way; "-ní" is /ɲi:/, but "-ný" is /ni:/, right?  Sladek 15:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You may have confused Slovak and Czech. The thing you wrote is true for Czech, not for Slovak. Slovak pekný (not pěkný – it is Czech) and pekní are both pronounced the same way: . --Pajast 15:32, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: As a slovakian u should write pekný bc if u type "pekní" 78.98.59.92 (talk) 13:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "pěkný" vs. "pěkní" 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovaks --> there are 5.8 mil. slovaks
but here, you said "total speakers - more than 6 mil???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.131.152.20 (talk) 17:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  slovaks? 

message: In "Differences between the Slovak and Czech languages" somebody got emotional: "hundreds of dialects" is not very scientific. In Tyrol most villages have an a bit differing dialect OF THEIR OWN - but they are all subdialects of Tyrolian, which is considered a dialect of German. I'm sure it's the same with Slovakian dialects. Qubux 18:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hundreds of dialects 

message: I have made changes to your changes in the respective part of the article, since you claimed that Slovak films etc. had to be dubbed into Czech for Czech children now, which had not been the case in the past. This is not quite so:
(1) Why they have to be dubbed? Czech children were not able to understand Slovak well in the period of Czechoslovakia, too, so why they have to be dubbed now and why not in the past? And how the film-makers etc. find out that the children would really not understand? - Their translating etc. activities are based on mere assumptions, not a comparative research or qualified knowledge of the past vs. present-time. I would like to stress that how people understand the other language and how they think they understand it are two different things.
(2) Some fairy tales and other kinds of media products were translated from Slovak to Czech in the past (Czechoslovakia) as well. This is not a new phenomena (albeit more spread).
Another point. You state that Czech children themselves claim that they do not understand Slovak well. Yes, but this was the case in the period Czechoslovakia, too! - If you were interested in literature on this topic (including what is listed in References), where some evidence can be found, you can contact me via icq (268-144-094). Best, Marian Sloboda - Nairam 09:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The debate about the problems of Czech kids not understanding Slovak starts to be fairly stupid already. I normally watched Slovak TV shows for children, when I was about 8 years old, and I don't remember that I would have ever had any difficulties - perhaps except for few words that have no parallel in Czech. It is understandable that just because of these few words that would unnecessarily complicate understanding, Czech TV stations prefer dubbing Slovak fairy-tales into Czech. However, I really don't know, why a small Czech kid that is not mentally retarded couldn't understand Slovak. 82.100.61.114 00:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your personal experience, but a Czech person who was born in the early 1980s reported to me quite contrary experience: she had not liked to watch Slovak TV shows for children, because she had not understood Slovak well, she said. - The point is: what is needed, and what should encyclopedic articles such those in Wikipedia be based on, is scientific research that goes beyond individual anecdotic experience. Nairam (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  to Hronsky re Mutual intelligibility of Slovak and Czech 

message: I reverted "Grammar review for "Na shledanou" and "Do videnia" by native speaker" (78.128.193.66). I am a native speaker of Czech and I'm sure that only "na shledanou" is correct (see official Slovník spisovné češtiny). Although "nashledanou" can be frequently seen, it is treated as incorrect. I don't know the codified rules of the Slovak orthography but I think this is similar in Slovak as in Czech. Maybe, both variants (do videnia/dovidenia) are correct in Slovak. --Pajast 15:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The brand-new Slovník súčasného slovenského jazyka (2006) has this entry: dovidenia, pís. i do videnia. The same is true for Príručka slovenského pravopisu pre školy a prax (also 2006). —Daniel Šebesta {chat | contribs} 21:41, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Dovidenia. But "Do videnia" can be used too.  84.47.45.41 (talk) 19:07, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do videnia, or dovidenia? 

message: It is not standard to include lists of differences between closely related language varieties in Wikipedia language articles.  I believe that this section has been added to this article as a nationalist polemic, rather than for its informational content.  As it is rather poorly written (as is most of this article) and entirely unsourced, I believe that it should be either deleted or improved and moved to a new stub.  Helikophis (talk) 20:12, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between slovak and czech 

message: I would really appreciate your comment about the loanword list, which was discussed above. Your recent edits improved the quality of the whole article so your opinion could also help to decide  the question. Zello (talk) 22:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Your efforts are more than welcome. Squash Racket (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Please move discussion of the Hungarian list to the appropriate section of the talk page.  This section is about the "Differences between Slovak and Czech" section.([User:Helikophis|Helikophis]] (talk) 22:14, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I will leave these short list of loan words, but I am going to try to improve the English style and remove extraneous information.Helikophis (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Vocabulary lists

message: Is there a single form for these two English concepts, or are there two forms?  The adverb section is a bit confusing on this topic.  
Helikophis (talk) 20:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comparative/Superlative 

message: I'm thinking of doing some work to get this article in conformity with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Languages/Template template.  Is this alright with everybody?Helikophis (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language Template 

message: Whoever wrote it there, i don't think it should be at the first place - hardly ever Slovak native speaker calls "ä" "prehlaskovane a". They almost always use term "Siroke e" since "ä" in pronunciation has almost nothing to do with a. Just try to say words like "päta" (heel) you don't even say that distorted e - it is almost the same sound as e. From the grammatical and encyclopedic wiev "prehlaskovane a" is right however hardly ever Slovak native speakers call it like that. I suggest change Cunikm (talk) 21:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prehlaskovane a

message: This is a quotation from the article. Er, what about Czech? APW (talk) 11:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Among the Slavic languages that use the Latin alphabet, Slovak is the closest to Ukrainian and then to Russian?

message: The whole introduction has to change. The Slovak word for "Slavic" is slovAnsky not slovEnsky. While there is obviously a common root, words mean what they mean, not what they used to mean.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.151.217.130 (talk) 18:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction 

message: I know the word list is controvesial, but can we remove
Slovak vinšovať, German wünschen
from the list? Zelat and Priat are the normal words for wish and I have never heard vinsovat in the 7 years I've been in this country.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.212.36.188 (talk) 19:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Word List

message: Can something be done about the disruptive editing that's been going on here? There have been people (or potentially a single person) removing Slovakian as an alternative term from the infobox, which makes no sense and ruins the overall consistency (the term is also mentioned and sourced in the lede, so why am I the only person reverting these edits??). Moreover, there have been attempts to remove both of those mentions, which is also bad because such changes should be justified, preferably with something more than a mere "I find it incorrect". Maybe we should skip that less common term, maybe it should be included (along with protecting the page), but the thing that's been going on is definitely fruitless. Can we settle upon one version of both the lede and the infobox?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.47.236.98 (talk) 00:52, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you not interested in discussing this or setting the page as protected? The vandalism has just occurred again. 37.47.202.168 (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's happening again. Seriously, am I the only person monitoring this article or what? 83.23.189.85 (talk) 12:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Any response? It's happened again now. 83.23.192.70 (talk) 17:58, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ongoing vandalism / disruptive editing 

message: both should probably be listed under German instead of English, given their pronunciation (š) same as in German "Sport", 77.10.214.148 (talk) 12:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  športovať: to do sports, šport: sport 

message: I have changed dialect order. Traditional systematic order is Western, Central, Eastern, not other way round. Just like on the map in article!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipcontributor800 (talk • contribs) 19:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialects

message: Let this section be dispersed.
It is ill-grounded. 
Slovak is language of its own. Yeah, a Slavic idiom, this should be declared in history and grammar section. Borrowings there are many, this should be reflected in vocabulary section, just like in case of other articles on languages- see Polish, Danish, etc.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikipcontributor800 (talk • contribs) 19:55, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationships to other languages