Talk:Maitland Ward

message: As a few people have mentioned in edits, this actress is now selling hardcore porn through her Patreon account and performs with other well known porn actors. It is evident on popular porn websites for sourcing. They are not normal "sex tapes." These are professionally produced porn scenes that are being used as perks for buying into her premium membership content accounts.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SunsetStripRebel (talk • contribs) 07:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardcore Porn? When did she become a porn star? 

message: Why? Its a fact. Isn't Wikipedia all about facts? Why the censoring?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.61.111.240 (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a reliable source. See WP:RS and WP:CITE. There's no censorship, we just require a reliable source. --Yamla (talk) 20:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

text: Reddit most definitely fails to meet WP:RS. The other site might, though. It's not a high quality source, but it might meet WP:RS. --Yamla (talk) 20:28, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

text: Please reread WP:RS. Primary sources are not generally appropriate. It should be easy to find a reliable secondary source that covers this. --Yamla (talk) 22:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why are facts that Maitland Ward now does straight up hardcore porn being deleted? 

message: While I do agree that there must be highly reliable sources before labeling someone a porn star and the stigma that could be caused by being labeled one, my opinion on the matter is when videos appear on the most popular big name porn websites and the former actress is freely asking for people to join her Patreon and Snapchat accounts for these porn scenes on her verified Twitter account for what is substantial money, the line from actress to porn actress has been crossed. It seems like this actress wants to have it both ways; sell porn for money to her content members but try to avoid the negativity that comes with being labeled a porn star by referring to them as "sex tapes." SunsetStripRebel (talk) 01:15, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. It's tough. WP:BLP applies, so we need to be very careful. No original research (which is prohibited by WP:NOR anyway) and we'll have to stay away from primary sources. --Yamla (talk) 01:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What are considered reliable sources for Porn? 

message: Can we call her a porn actress or at least a camwhore after that? Or is that plus hardcore porn with various porn actors fucking her still not enough? source https://twitter.com/CallMeMissMolly/status/1095742105056468992
:WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:NOR. --Yamla (talk) 23:00, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: What does WP:RS say? It's pretty clear on this. --Yamla (talk) 00:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

text: I'm not sure if you are just trolling at this point. How many times do we have to point you to WP:BLP, WP:CITE, WP:RS, and WP:NOR? --Yamla (talk) 11:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

text: We will abide by WP:NOR, WP:RS, WP:CITE, and WP:BLP. Once we find a reliable source indicating that she's a porn star, we'll add it. Until then, we won't. We won't speculate that she's a cam-whore, we won't speculate that she's a porn star. That would be wildly inappropriate under WP:BLP and WP:NOR. She may be, but we won't speculate on this until we have a reliable source indicating this. If there are no acceptable sources, we won't add this to the article. --Yamla (talk) 13:11, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

text: You are correct, but WP:BLP and WP:NOR prohibits us from making the claim on the article. Given all the porn, though, it's only a matter of time before a reliable source provides us a citation we can actually use. --Yamla (talk) 11:09, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

text: If a multi-million dollar porn corporation has an article that states she's a porn star, that would probably be acceptable (primary sourcing could be a problem). On the other hand, we can't apply original research and conclude she is a porn star based on her appearing in a video, we need to source that claim. Look, it's one thing to know, but it's another thing to source the information. Wikipedia cares about verifiability, not truth. Yes, this is one of those cases where the policy is overly restrictive, but we still need to be careful. Even moreso because of WP:BLP. You are free to request policy changes for WP:RS around twitter, though here isn't the place to do that. --Yamla (talk) 16:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

text: Perhaps, but it's absolutely core to Wikipedia. See WP:NOTTRUTH and WP:V. I'm not at all convinced she's doing this deliberately with regard to Wikipedia, but I generally agree with you. This is a really weird case. --Yamla (talk) 16:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maitland Ward set to do a porn show on myfreecams on 25th of February 

message: IMO this discission should not be focussed on what label is applied ("porn star" or whatever) but whether there is a reliable source for her having done hardcore porn.
I know that we need to be especially careful with potentially contentious edits and that non-primary sources are preferred but I would have thought that a post stating this on her confirmed Twitter profile which was also retweeted by her co-star Danny Mountain would be sufficient? [NSFW] https://twitter.com/MaitlandWard/status/1095834193618120704
There is also relevant information on her patreon profile and copies of the video are literally all over the major tubesites (so a friend tells me :-) . 121.44.184.234 (talk) 10:31, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm tired of this discussion. How many times do I have to point to the same Wikipedia policies? If you can find a reliable source which meets WP:RS and indicates she's done hardcore porn, yes. Otherwise, no, because of WP:BLP. That twitter link is absolutely not sufficient. It does not indicate she's done anything more than a "Celebration vid" and in any case, would be an inappropriate primary source.  --Yamla (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you need an article saying she does porn? I can link you her porn if you want, its very widely available. Whether an article states it or not, based on the porn she has done, I'd say she has done porn-2607:FCC8:644B:7500:7CD0:39C7:9D56:EF91 (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It's clear people are just trolling now. --Yamla (talk) 01:14, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we at least add that she has performed in a hardcore video scene? 

message: I am sure it is now safe to update her Wikipedia article with her "new talents."
talent
SunsetStripRebel (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems sufficient to establish Ward as a porn actress. Nice find. --Yamla (talk) 09:42, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

text: Huh? Her porn credentials are firmly established in the article, right in the intro sentence. --Yamla (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  She has now signed with Society15.com's roster of female porn talent 

message: Any new updates appreciated 2600:8805:C60C:1900:F5B5:EDC5:66E6:19BC (talk) 20:38, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: What a shock that her husband would divorce her after she lets multiple black guys run a train on her before the whole world. 188.163.239.77 (talk) 18:17, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  I was told that Maitland Ward was now divorced. Is that true?