Talk:Holstein Friesian

message: The UK Friesian is a different breed to the Holstein. This needs to be sorted. Slipperyfishman (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
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thread_title: Friesian Cattle1

message: The weight section states "While Holstein bulls will may reach over 2,000 pounds (900 kg)." Should it be will reach, or may reach? I would change it, but I'm not sure which. GavinTing 09:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weight Section 

message: UK Parliament 1990-07-13 Written answers:
:AGRICULTURE, FISHERIES AND FOOD Dairy Herd
:Mr. Denzil Davies : To ask the Minister of Agriculture, Fisheries and Food what percentage of the United Kindom's total dairy herd is comprised of (a) Friesian cattle and (b) Holstein cattle.
:Mr. Maclean : Friesian and Holstein cattle together constitute 90 per cent. of the United Kingdom's total dairy herd. It is not possible to determine separate figures for each breed. Many dairy herds contain both breeds together with Friesian/Holstein crossbreeds. 
See also:
* British Friesian Breeders Club  Registration & Classification
*  Holstein UK is Europe's largest independent breed society
So according to the UK department of Agriculture, Holstein and Friesian are not the same breed. This suggests that the wikipedia article is not as accurate as it might be --Philip Baird Shearer 23:39, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added this information to the article as I think it is worth having, at least until such time as someone writes an article about the Friesian. Hairy Dude 20:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  And? It was the US department of Agricultue that came up with the idea to call those animals Holstein in the first place. The difference between a Friesian and a Holstein in this context is rather whether the animal is a descendant of an (in)direct import in the UK from the US or the Netherlands. For your information, the British Friesian is itself considered a separate breed too.ThW5 12:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: both breeds and crossbreeds

message: When Milton Hershey first started his chocolate company, his delivery cars were painted with Holstein Cows. Considering how widely known the Hershey Brand Name is, maybe this should be added to the article. Also, there's large amount of dairy commercials that use the Holstein in America. Does this carry over to Europe too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Distrot (talk • contribs) 22:36, April 25, 2006 (UTC)
: I was unaware of the Hershey cow, but I did add some notes in that Holstein are seen as the stereotypical 'cow'.  This suggests they are used in advertising (Gateway 2000 and Chik-fil-a), but I didn't say that explicitly.  You might want to add the Hershey cow thing there.  Also, check the linked article at Cattle, since most of those 'cows' are Holsteins. --Mdwyer 02:42, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Famous Advertising Cow? 

message: I changed the title of a redirect; it must be "Frisian", instead of "Friesian", and I now have improved the spelling. Note, that the page still redirects to the Holstein (cattle)-page. -The Bold Guy- 10:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: Are we absolutely sure that there are only 4 spotted dairy breeds? During a quick scan through the list of breeds of cattle I already found one more. The article for Montbeliard Cattle shows pictures of spotted cows, and the article mentions it's use for meat and milk; so it's a dairy breed too, right? So do we cancel the statement that there are only 4 spotted breeds, or do we recheck all the cattle breeds and make a proper counting of the number of spotted dairy breeds?
Secondly, I am not sure what the relevance of the number of spotted dairy breeds is. Why not include all spotted breeds (dairy and non-dairy) in the counting, or, what I propose: simply say something like "....although a considerable numer of cattle breeds does not have spots...." ?? RagingR2 21:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just thought of another one. Maine-Anjou cattle Tractorboy60 14:23, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only 4 spotted breeds? 

message: I reorganized the beginning of the article into its relevant sections and added UK history from the Holstein UK website. I removed the reference to not being able to tell the difference between Holstein and Friesian in the 90% population as it was misinterpreted. What the reference meant was that they were unable to allocate a proportion of the population to Holstein, Friesian or Holstein Friesian because of cross-breeding. Also it is from 1990. Since then Holstein and Friesian societies have merged but there is still a distinct type, notably from die-hard Friesian breeders.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tractorboy60 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: Does anyone know the relevance of the list of references? I would like to delete them as we build up a list of cited references if no one objects. Also it looks like one of the External links is dead, while the other is for Red Holsteins, which is the subject for a whole section.Tractorboy60 19:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: The reference to BST production hormone and lifetime yield are fair enough but not referenced. Other reasons why production is higher in the US are 3 x a day milking, and the fact that European black and whites include Friesian crosses. I'll try to find improved data for this.Tractorboy60 19:22, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA 

message: Having found web resources for 3x a day milking in the US I was obliged to tag my own work with "citation needed" as I doubt that nearly 50% of cows are miked 3x over the whole of the US and can't find any info on this. The same applies to the UK, as it is one thing to know that the vast majority are milked 2x, but another to demonstrate it. Tractorboy60 19:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Production in the USA

message: We need to write a section on Friesian cattle here, re: Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Skysmith's list of missing articles/Animals. Does anyone know why the article name was changed so's not to reflect the name Friesian? Maybe we should revert? You've all probably already had a discussion about this.If so, sorry. Tractorboy60 21:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name of Article

message: The information on the History part of the page is written more like a story than an encyclopedia or anything like that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.236.219 (talk) 22:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree, I need to make it more succinct and spend more time on this. I'm sure you'll agree the Red Holstein part has the same problem. Tractorboy60 06:49, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The History chapter is more like a story 

message: This is definitely missing a reference.  Frisia includes "North Frisia" which later became part of "Holstein" and then "Schleswig-Holstein" in Germany.  Stilt house remains, now submerged under the North sea date back quite a bit.  What source indicates that the Frisians limited raising cattle to their western lands?  Lisa4edit (talk) 22:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Added citation needed tag since no one has replied. 71.236.26.74 (talk) 12:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference for "not from Holstein?" 

message: The article is quite confused as to naming.
There is, first of all, a tug-of-war between Holstein (as American usage) and Friesian (as non-American usage). This causes the two terms to be used interchangeably (and inconsistently) through the article. If the two terms are synonymous, one term should be stuck to throughout the article, no matter how unnatural or grating it seems to British or American ears. The best solution is probably to go to the earliest incarnation of the article and use that name. If Friesian was originally used and this has later been moved to Holstein, it should be moved back. If Holstein was used from the start, it should stay at Holstein. One-upmanship on either side is destructive of good article-writing.
However, there is some suggestion that the two terms are not synonymous. At a couple of places in the article it is noted that Holstein and Friesian are indeed different terms with somewhat different meanings (U.S. bloodlines vs European bloodlines). If that is the case, the nonchalant and interchangeable use of Holstein and Friesian is not merely confusing, it is downright incorrect. If the use of Holstein referred invariably to the American variety, and Friesian to the non-American, it might be reasonable to switch between the two terms, but this does not appear to be the case. The article needs a cleanup and some attempt at consistency in order to elevate it to the level of information rather than misinformation.
58.108.66.214 (talk) 09:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The whole discussion is as off as the article.  Holstein-Friesian (HF) cattle are a cattle breed that was bred in the US from stock imported by North-Eastern Dutch and North German immigrants.  The base race was what is called "schwarz-buntes Niederungsrind" (black patch low country cattle) in German.  (The Dutch name is "Fries-Hollands".)  It was re-imported to there and to the Netherlands because of the high milk production and low fat milk the US breeders had achieved (documented for 1876).  The re-imports were then cross bred with the original local stock and started displacing them from the 1960s.  Red Holstein cattle (which should be added to the article) were bred from a cross of re-imported Holsteins (HF) and "rotbuntes Niederungsrind" (red patch low country cattle). 71.236.26.74 (talk) 13:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Friesians and Holsteins 

message: I find a long laundry list of notable sires, but no mention of CVM and BLAD. Pitke (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing central info on genetic diseases 

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message: Is there a reason Bos primigenius is added in the infobox? I was going to replace it for Bos taurus, but I cannot access the text where the info is stored. I'm not sure if that is a protected section, or why is it not available to edits as the other parts of the infobox are. MGatta (talk) 08:45, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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