Talk:List of ice hockey players who died during their playing careers

message: I realize this list is probably based on List of people who died young, but would anyone be opposed to me sorting this list by date, and then making the age column sortable and the rest unsortable? This way it would be listed from earliest to latest and if the reader wants to see the list by age, they can sort it that way. BsroiaadnTalk 20:40, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's a good idea, I always prefer sortable lists. But in my opinion name should also be sortable, maybe even giving nationality an own column and make it sortable. --Krm500 22:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll make "name" sortable and add a "nationality" column and make that sortable, as well. Should be done in a couple days, if not sooner. BsroiaadnTalk 22:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think there might be a problem with sorting nationality since the article use two different flags for Canada. Maybe it's best keeping it like it is now with the flag in the name column. --Krm500 23:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't even though of that. Well, I messed around with it a bit and found that  is sortable....only problem is it displays the name of the country next to it which can waste a lot of space on the screen at times. Though I suppose it'd be worth it to give up some extra pixels-worth of space to make it sortable. In any case, I asked WikiProject Flag Template about it. BsroiaadnTalk 23:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also be sure to look at Template:sortname to make the names sortable by last name instead of first name.  Andrwsc 00:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll do that as well. BsroiaadnTalk 03:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Is there a reason for the current table being divided in sections? Readability? Compatibility with slow computers? Or is it just a leftover from the longer list (that also included post-career early deaths)? If not, I see no problem merging them to a single table. --Bamsefar75 11:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

text: I forgot about having to switch what's wikilinked and what's not now, due to the new order of things. I'll do it tomorrow. BsroiaadnTalk 01:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Just wondering on any requirements for level of hockey played to be included on this list?  I noticed Mike Fogolin is not on it.  He died during the summer when he was a member of the Prince George Cougars.  Leafschik1967 (talk) 02:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re-doing list 

message: :* I added several junior hockey players to the list.  I figured they should be on there too, if properly referenced, and I found news sources for all 6 that I added - Four Broncos, Michael Fogolin, and Graham Christie (who died as a result on an on-ice incident.  Leafschik1967 (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Additions

message: Ho-chi Seung is not notable enough to have mention in this article. While it is sad that he died, death does not make notable. He was never drafted into the NHL or any major professional league, nor did he ever play in any professional league. the reference given reads more like a blog than a source. Being mentioned in the news does not make notable. If that were true, I would have my own wikipedia article, which i don't and won't.
Michael Fogolin, while the son and grandson of notable people, is not notable himself. He was not a top prospect, was never drafted, and never played professinally. Yes, i know he was only 17 years old, but i reiterate, he wasn't a top prospect, therefore doesn't meet notability on wikipedia. His career was one season (42 games) in the WHL. As meantioned with Hochi seung, being mentioned in the news media alone doesn't make notable. 
While Darcy Robinson was in fact drafted, being drafted doesn't make a player notable, especially in the 8th round. Darcy was a career minor leaguer and never made the jump to a major professional team. He does not meet the requirements of notability. Wikipedia is not a memorial and in most cases, dying does not create notability. 
there are other players on this list that probably shouldn't be here either, but these are three players that jump out and scream not notable. Masterhatch (talk) 02:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You guys have been a great help. I had always assumed that players (or people for that matter) in a list had to meet the same notability level as players (people) who have their own article. There seems to be some grey areas with this list, though. Masterhatch (talk) 03:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  non notable players 

message: Robert Müller passed away yesterday. Does he qualify for inclusion? Seems he played for as long as possible, but not in 2009. Also the Kölner Haie newspage mentions adding him to the (German) Hall of Fame before his death. Either way I havent got the time to do it right now, so be my guest. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 12:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Robert Müller 

message: As none of the people listed played ice hockey after they died, the title is a bit daft! How about "List of people who died whilst on an active roster of a major ice hockey team" (noting the situation about people who went to war)? 207.218.21.5 (talk) 11:45, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Can we include a player who was not on any national team nor had any significant accomplishments? Also, Mandi was not on the Yale Bulldogs roster when she died. She was out of school for a year and a half at the time of her death. keystoneridin! (talk) 07:23, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its unfortunately the nature of an athlete who dies from an illness, but both Robert Muller and Yanick Dupre are on the list, although they were not active at the time of their death.  In all three cases, their careers were ended by their illness which caused their death.  Canada Hky (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Mandi's career was not ended  by her illness. She actually made an attempt to come back to the team during the 09-10 season but left for personal reasons. In either case, a player should not be on this list unless  they died while on a roster.keystoneridin! (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She left because her illness didn't allow her to continue playing.  I would say that a player whose career is ended by an illness which causes their death could be included.  Canada Hky (talk) 17:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Canada Hky. That she was not on the roster of a team does not mean that her playing career had ended. For example, all unrestricted free agents in the NHL are not on anyone's roster. Yet if such a player gets hit by a bus before he can sign with a new team it would be strange to not count him as someone who died before his career was over. I also agree with the reasoning that, in general, when the cause of death is also the cause of a player stopping playing that it makes sense to include the person on the list. In this case, had the stem cell transplant worked and the cancer gone into remission or been eliminated, she would have continued playing. She should be on the list. 99.192.88.90 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My reasoning for not including her on this list is this: 1: this list should be updated because the "players who died during their playing career" could be anybody non-notable or notable. 2. The name should read "list of notable hockey players who died during their playing career". 3. I believe this list as it stands is more fitting for players who died while playing for a team. Derek Boogard is a great example. Please do discuss these points. As I do see both of your points as valid.keystoneridin! (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My take is this:  there are hockey players who are not notable, who die during their career, that deserve to be on this list.  I don't think anyone would dispute the inclusion of the four SC Broncos, nor players in notable, lower-level leagues who died as a result of on-ice incidents.  Also, by Wikipedia standards, Mandi Schwartz is notable.  I would prefer to have players inclusion decided on a case by case basis.  Thankfully, it doesn't come up that often.  Canada Hky (talk) 23:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Keystoneridin, you have raised two issues. One is the question of notability. As a general issue, that should be dealt with in another section since, as Canada Hky poits out, Mandi Schwartz is notable so worries about notability are not relevant in this case. The other one is the issue of whether a player is playing for a team at the time of death. I already addressed that issue in my last contribution, but you did not respond to it. So let me simply ask: Do you think that an unrestricted free agent in the NHL who is hit by a bus and dies after his contract with his last team expires but before he signs with a new team should be excluded from this list? If Brad Richards drops dead next week it would seem crazy not to list him here. 99.192.82.23 (talk) 01:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mandi Schwartz was not a professional level player, so her comparison with brad richards is not fair. I only say this because I have had previous problems creating pages for players who were drafted by a pro team but playing in a college level. For the sake of this discussion, I believe that Brad Richards should be left off of this list as he was not signed at the time of his death. When I think of players who died during their career, I think of professional players not players on college teams who become notable for their efforts to raise awareness for their cause. However, with this in mind, I am a fan of inclusion and as Canada Hky pointed out regarding lower level players I believe for the sake of Wikipedia Mandi Schwartz should be included. I will put her back on. I appreciate your discussion regarding this edit. keystoneridin! (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mandi Schwartz 

message: Mandi did not participate in the 2010-2011 season and therefor does not qualify as a player who died while on roster status. http://www.yalebulldogs.com/mandi/indexkeystoneridin! (talk) 07:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Its unfortunately the nature of an athlete who dies from an illness, but both Robert Muller and Yanick Dupre are on the list, although they were not active at the time of their death.  In all three cases, their careers were ended by their illness which caused their death.  Canada Hky (talk) 15:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

text: Mandi's career was not ended  by her illness. She actually made an attempt to come back to the team during the 09-10 season but left for personal reasons. In either case, a player should not be on this list unless  they died while on a roster.keystoneridin! (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: She left because her illness didn't allow her to continue playing.  I would say that a player whose career is ended by an illness which causes their death could be included.  Canada Hky (talk) 17:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree with Canada Hky. That she was not on the roster of a team does not mean that her playing career had ended. For example, all unrestricted free agents in the NHL are not on anyone's roster. Yet if such a player gets hit by a bus before he can sign with a new team it would be strange to not count him as someone who died before his career was over. I also agree with the reasoning that, in general, when the cause of death is also the cause of a player stopping playing that it makes sense to include the person on the list. In this case, had the stem cell transplant worked and the cancer gone into remission or been eliminated, she would have continued playing. She should be on the list. 99.192.88.90 (talk) 00:28, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My reasoning for not including her on this list is this: 1: this list should be updated because the "players who died during their playing career" could be anybody non-notable or notable. 2. The name should read "list of notable hockey players who died during their playing career". 3. I believe this list as it stands is more fitting for players who died while playing for a team. Derek Boogard is a great example. Please do discuss these points. As I do see both of your points as valid.keystoneridin! (talk) 18:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: My take is this:  there are hockey players who are not notable, who die during their career, that deserve to be on this list.  I don't think anyone would dispute the inclusion of the four SC Broncos, nor players in notable, lower-level leagues who died as a result of on-ice incidents.  Also, by Wikipedia standards, Mandi Schwartz is notable.  I would prefer to have players inclusion decided on a case by case basis.  Thankfully, it doesn't come up that often.  Canada Hky (talk) 23:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Keystoneridin, you have raised two issues. One is the question of notability. As a general issue, that should be dealt with in another section since, as Canada Hky poits out, Mandi Schwartz is notable so worries about notability are not relevant in this case. The other one is the issue of whether a player is playing for a team at the time of death. I already addressed that issue in my last contribution, but you did not respond to it. So let me simply ask: Do you think that an unrestricted free agent in the NHL who is hit by a bus and dies after his contract with his last team expires but before he signs with a new team should be excluded from this list? If Brad Richards drops dead next week it would seem crazy not to list him here. 99.192.82.23 (talk) 01:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Mandi Schwartz was not a professional level player, so her comparison with brad richards is not fair. I only say this because I have had previous problems creating pages for players who were drafted by a pro team but playing in a college level. For the sake of this discussion, I believe that Brad Richards should be left off of this list as he was not signed at the time of his death. When I think of players who died during their career, I think of professional players not players on college teams who become notable for their efforts to raise awareness for their cause. However, with this in mind, I am a fan of inclusion and as Canada Hky pointed out regarding lower level players I believe for the sake of Wikipedia Mandi Schwartz should be included. I will put her back on. I appreciate your discussion regarding this edit. keystoneridin! (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandi Update

message: Can he be considered active player? He had announced his retirement in March, and died in August. Of course the new season (where he was not supposed to be playing even if he had not died) had not started at that point. BleuDXXXIV (talk) 07:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there is any question here. The fact that the new season had not started is not relevant. He retired, thus he did not die during his career. 142.68.43.233 (talk) 23:16, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wade Belak 

message: How are we going to handle the Lokomotiv Yaroslavl situation? Do we just list all the players who died, or what? 70.79.198.253 (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The players for the Swift Current Broncos each got an individual mention. The fact that the players all died in the same accident does not mean they should not each be mentioned individually. I think that each should get a separate listing. 99.192.56.110 (talk) 18:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd prefer just noting the plane crash and the team. There are alot of player articles, so just noting 6–7 of the players who died is not neutral. HeyMid (contribs) 19:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is no reason to just list 6-7 players. They can all be listed. I have just listed the ones named in the TSN (via the AP) article.99.192.56.110 (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I would say list them all, as names become available.  Depressing off-season to say the least.  Canada Hky (talk) 00:38, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lokomotiv Yaroslavl 

message: An IP user is insistent on including Matt Cook, an amateur sledge hockey player. Does sledge hockey qualify for this ice hockey list?--Львівське (говорити) 03:53, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Discussion is taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey, for those interested. 99.192.58.22 (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Cook 

message: i lived in the town of this kid who had died of a car accident and i would like to put him on here
Minnesotalover (talk) 05:04, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: ...what?--Львівське (говорити) 05:05, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

text: And who is this person? -DJSasso (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 25 March 2012 

message: Please add Wade Belak to the list.
69.48.147.52 (talk) 15:50, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wade Belak had retired before he died. -DJSasso (talk) 16:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 27 April 2012 

message: Polish player, for KH Sanok (at that time called STS-Autosan Sanok) born 1971, died January 23 1995 in bus accident, which his team STS came back home after league game in Sosnowiec (see pl wiki article http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piotr_Milan and source http://hokej.net/pl/menu/archiwum/108/news,artykul,5,27906,23-styczen-1995-rok-–-w-pamieci-naszej-na-zawsze….html). --Lowbydown (talk) 09:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Piotr Milan (1971-1995) 

message: please add Wade Belak to the list.
70.76.38.125 (talk) 11:59, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: No - Belak had retired at the time of his death. Echoedmyron (talk) 17:30, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 31 January 2013 

message: He did not die during his career. He got sick, retired, then died months later.Correctron (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vezina 

message: Scott Winkler currently has a cause of death listed as "murder/asphyxia" on this list however his individual page states that foul play was ruled out. I don't know enough about him to say which page is wrong but murder requires foul play. UNDETERMINED would be more appropriate as a cause of death.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.205.246 (talk) 07:04, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Winkler - June 2013 

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message: Real Lemieux I noticed is not on this list. Even though he died of a blood clot in his brain during his retirement, he died at the young age of 30. Lemieux retired from hockey in 1974 and died a year and half later. Same for Wayne Maki who died brain cancer. He retired in 1973 and died a year later but he is on this list. This is strange. Also other premature deaths of NHLers like Juhda Widing and Bob Probert died after their careers in their 40's. Should we add a section of hockey players who died under the age of 50. Most players die in their 70's and 80's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingzwest (talk • contribs) 
:They are not on the list because this list is for player who died during their careers. None of those players died while still playing. -DJSasso (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real Lemieux 

message: My reverting move edit summary got cut off. But basically it said that I reverted it because this is specifically about deaths during the playing portion of their career. Many players careers continue on into coaching etc which this list does not cover. -DJSasso (talk) 23:52, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit summary 

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thread_title:  Миг между прошлым и будущим