Talk:Liverpool–Parramatta T-way

message: Can we please put this table back? It is consistent with the railway line pages in Sydney that I have been creating - and I hope to do it for the other methods of transport too. It's not timetable information or station facility information, which are reached from the TWay website- it merely shows the different stopping patterns available, where the stations are, and any connections available.
Name of station           	Fare Section              	Stopping Patterns         	Stopping Patterns         	Suburbs Served                               	Connections                                                                                       	
Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way                   	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way                                                                        	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way
Liverpool                 	19                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	Inner West Line, South Line, Cumberland Line, Bankstown Line (CityRail)                           	
Macquarie                 	18                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Memorial                  	18                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Brickmakers               	17                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Maxwells                  	16                        	                          	                          	Cartwright, Lurnea                           	                                                                                                  	
Ash                       	15                        	                          	                          	Miller, Prestons                             	Bus routes 853,854, 855                                                                           	
Miller                    	14                        	                          	                          	Miller, Hinchinbrook, Hoxton Park            	                                                                                                  	
Hinchinbrook              	14                        	                          	                          	Hinchinbrook, Miller                         	                                                                                                  	
Cartwright                	14                        	                          	                          	Hinchinbrook, Miller, Busby                  	                                                                                                  	
Busby                     	13                        	                          	                          	Busby, Green Valley                          	                                                                                                  	
Green Valley              	12                        	                          	                          	Green Valley, Bonnyrigg Heights              	                                                                                                  	
Brown                     	12                        	                          	                          	Bonnyrigg Heights                            	Bus route 833                                                                                     	
Bonnyrigg                 	12                        	                          	                          	Bonnyrigg                                    	Bus routes 826, 827, 831                                                                          	
St Johns                  	11                        	                          	                          	St Johns Park, Wakeley, Prairiewood          	                                                                                                  	
Orphan School             	10                        	                          	                          	Prairiewood, Bossley Park                    	                                                                                                  	
Prariewood                	10                        	                          	                          	Prairiewood, Bossley Park                    	Bus Routes 800, 826, 827                                                                          	
Horsley                   	9                         	                          	                          	Bossley Park, Wetherill Park                 	                                                                                                  	
Victoria                  	9                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	Bus Route 829                                                                                     	
Elizabeth                 	8                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	                                                                                                  	
Wetherill                 	8                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	                                                                                                  	
Hassall                   	7                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park, Prospect                     	                                                                                                  	
Gipps                     	6                         	                          	                          	Smithfield, Greystanes, Prospect             	                                                                                                  	
Cooper                    	6                         	                          	                          	Smithfield                                   	Bus Route 808                                                                                     	
Smithfield                	5                         	                          	                          	Smithfield                                   	                                                                                                  	
Warren                    	4                         	                          	                          	Smithfield, Woodpark                         	                                                                                                  	
Woodpark                  	4                         	                          	                          	Woodpark, Guildford West                     	                                                                                                  	
Canal                     	3                         	                          	                          	Merrylands West                              	                                                                                                  	
Sherwood                  	3                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	Bus Routes 811, 813, 815                                                                          	
Centenary                 	2                         	                          	                          	South Wentworthville                         	                                                                                                  	
Finlayson                 	2                         	                          	                          	Wentworthville,South Wentworthville          	                                                                                                  	
Coleman                   	1                         	                          	                          	Westmead, Wentworthville,South Wentworthville	                                                                                                  	
Mays Hill                 	1                         	                          	                          	Westmead, Mays Hill                          	                                                                                                  	
Pitt                      	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	                                                                                                  	
Argyle                    	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	                                                                                                  	
Parramatta                	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	Blue Mountains Line, Cumberland Line,Western Line (CityRail), Bus Routes at Parramatta Interchange	
I can do one for the NorthWest T-Way too, except we don't know the stopping information as yet.
JROBBO 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not directory information, so please stop quoting Wikipedia is not a directory. It's an informative table that outlines the extent of the T80's operations - a valid and worthwhile point for an article like this, much like a table with a train line's operations. It is not timetable information by any means - there is no way anyone could decipher that to be able to catch a bus. If I was putting in bus stop addresses, the exact times the buses arrived, etc., then that could be deleted, but this should not be taken so far as to delete anything resembling a stopping patterns. All the table is trying to show is that there are two routes, and where abouts the different stations are. Simple encyclopaedic information. JROBBO 12:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The railway station tables are directory information as well, don't get me wrong. But I lack the energy to tackle that problem just now. As it stands, this is a series of bus stops. Wikipedia is not a directory. There are plenty of good reasons to exclude the above - accessibility / consistent design is one of them. Joestella 14:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you please tell me what part of "Wikipedia is not a directory" this violates? I've looked through it hard and there's nothing in there that would exclude that table. Reference tables are fine, it says. The suburbs served is not arbitrary - it shows the area that the particular station serves. The fare zone is fine too. And design consistency is not an issue - it does not have to be consistent with *your* tables - we're entitled to have ones that look a bit different - anyway, this is consistent with the railway station tables. JROBBO 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stations Table

message: I like to know exactly what part of the T-way is this old freeway alignment and if anyone could provide me with some info regarding it, particularly where this freeway alignment was supposed to go, I would be very thankful :) 121.216.245.25 (talk) 14:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Old Freeway Alignment?

message: I seem to remember this being the subject of some debate earlier. JROBBO's "official" name sounds more official... where is it from? The current page name is from the t-way website. Whichever one prevails, we should move the page there. Joestella 15:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was from the project plan and Environmental Impact statement. JROBBO 23:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Official name

message: As a person with no view one way or another on WP:NOT, I think the table in question falls under WP:NOT#DIR. Therefore, I don't think that this table should be in the article itself. Perhaps linking to a page in the external links section that has a similar table would be better. Cheers, PullToOpenTalk 03:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That was quick. :S JROBBO, why not simply add the exact (not surrounding) suburb name to the stops in the list..? Joestella 03:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Can you please tell me how it violates WP:NOT? I don't find that a good enough answer: I expected better from a dispute resolution mechanism. JROBBO 03:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Replace "radio station" with "train system". PullToOpenTalk 03:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

text: One could equally quote Wikipedia is not a directory, and Wikipedia is not a travel guide. Joestella 03:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where is the supposed "schedule"? I don't have the timetable and everything listed, which would definitely violate the information; it's a list of the routes that the network runs - just like a railway line. What's the difference between this table, and this section, for example? JROBBO 03:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The request was posted at Third opinion, not third answer. I am simply stating my opinion. As I said before, linking to a similar table would be much better than including the table itself. By the way, you two are both VERY close to violating WP:3RR. If you two can't come to some sort of consensus, consider posting this to WP:RFM. PullToOpenTalk 03:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Response to WP:3O 

message: I have seen the discussion above. I have also seen the current list of stops (which is not the best form of presentation in my view).
Would this be better?
Liverpool-Parramatta T-Way Service
Name of station           	Fare Section              	Stopping Patterns         	Stopping Patterns         	Suburbs Served                               	Connections                                                                                       	
Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way                   	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way                                                                        	Liverpool-Parramatta T-way
Liverpool                 	19                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	Inner West Line, South Line, Cumberland Line, Bankstown Line (CityRail)                           	
Macquarie                 	18                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Memorial                  	18                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Brickmakers               	17                        	                          	                          	Liverpool                                    	                                                                                                  	
Maxwells                  	16                        	                          	                          	Cartwright, Lurnea                           	                                                                                                  	
Ash                       	15                        	                          	                          	Miller, Prestons                             	Bus routes 853,854, 855                                                                           	
Miller                    	14                        	                          	                          	Miller, Hinchinbrook, Hoxton Park            	                                                                                                  	
Hinchinbrook              	14                        	                          	                          	Hinchinbrook, Miller                         	                                                                                                  	
Cartwright                	14                        	                          	                          	Hinchinbrook, Miller, Busby                  	                                                                                                  	
Busby                     	13                        	                          	                          	Busby, Green Valley                          	                                                                                                  	
Green Valley              	12                        	                          	                          	Green Valley, Bonnyrigg Heights              	                                                                                                  	
Brown                     	12                        	                          	                          	Bonnyrigg Heights                            	Bus route 833                                                                                     	
Bonnyrigg                 	12                        	                          	                          	Bonnyrigg                                    	Bus routes 826, 827, 831                                                                          	
St Johns                  	11                        	                          	                          	St Johns Park, Wakeley, Prairiewood          	                                                                                                  	
Orphan School             	10                        	                          	                          	Prairiewood, Bossley Park                    	                                                                                                  	
Prariewood                	10                        	                          	                          	Prairiewood, Bossley Park                    	Bus Routes 800, 826, 827                                                                          	
Horsley                   	9                         	                          	                          	Bossley Park, Wetherill Park                 	                                                                                                  	
Victoria                  	9                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	Bus Route 829                                                                                     	
Elizabeth                 	8                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	                                                                                                  	
Wetherill                 	8                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	                                                                                                  	
Hassall                   	7                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park, Prospect                     	                                                                                                  	
Gipps                     	6                         	                          	                          	Smithfield, Greystanes, Prospect             	                                                                                                  	
Cooper                    	6                         	                          	                          	Smithfield                                   	Bus Route 808                                                                                     	
Smithfield                	5                         	                          	                          	Smithfield                                   	                                                                                                  	
Warren                    	4                         	                          	                          	Smithfield, Woodpark                         	                                                                                                  	
Woodpark                  	4                         	                          	                          	Woodpark, Guildford West                     	                                                                                                  	
Canal                     	3                         	                          	                          	Merrylands West                              	                                                                                                  	
Sherwood                  	3                         	                          	                          	Wetherill Park                               	Bus Routes 811, 813, 815                                                                          	
Centenary                 	2                         	                          	                          	South Wentworthville                         	                                                                                                  	
Finlayson                 	2                         	                          	                          	Wentworthville,South Wentworthville          	                                                                                                  	
Coleman                   	1                         	                          	                          	Westmead, Wentworthville,South Wentworthville	                                                                                                  	
Mays Hill                 	1                         	                          	                          	Westmead, Mays Hill                          	                                                                                                  	
Pitt                      	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	                                                                                                  	
Argyle                    	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	                                                                                                  	
Parramatta                	0                         	                          	                          	Parramatta                                   	Blue Mountains Line, Cumberland Line,Western Line (CityRail), Bus Routes at Parramatta Interchange	
Garrie 21:35, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, apart from the coloured text for the train lines, which should be converted to a coloured box and the text with a blue link as I have done elsewhere. You'll have to ask Joe, though, as he's the one who's against it. JROBBO 01:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternative to Stations Table 

message: It is unfair to comare the T-way buses to Brisbane "as frequently as every 40 seconds" ( how much of the day is that level of service available for, and is it because the buses are all full?)
What are the comparative objectives of the organisations providing each service? - to operate a number of buses? to provide a certain number of passenger kilometers? to achieve revenue targets? To achieve certain occupancy rates on services? These are all different goals and it is difficult to compare organisations with different measures of "success".
Are these services being mentioned by any key commuter groups - say the UWS student union newspaper or similar?
Garrie 21:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Services 

message: It seems like one of you has access to the 1998 Action for Transport 2010 plan (text from it seems to be quoted). Would you care to provide a link to it in the References section?
Does this document mention objectives of the transport plan? Are they quantified or discriptive? Are they only after improvements or are they actually stating target service levels?Garrie 21:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

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