Talk:Eastbourne/Archive 2

message: I can't believe there aren't any references to this in the text. Eastbourne has been known as this for as long as I can remember (and I'm 63).  86.140.132.111 16:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: God's waiting room

message: I have moved the collaboration section to its own page. I think the ability to discuss each section is working well. As it has grown, I thought it would be best to keep it separate.
I am not too sure about the wording of the announcement at the top of the page. I do not want to distract the average reader from making comments on the main talk page. MortimerCat 10:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving the talk page. 

message: I note the definition of Norway, but have not seen this before.  Can you pse tell me your source?  (I don't have my reference books to hand.)  The suffix "ay/ey" is derived from an old word meaning "isle" or place rising up above the (old) sea level.  As such, it is noted in Pevensey, Hydney, Langney and so on.  I'm inclined to think that "North Way" may be ncorrect.Mikeo1938 21:52, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Norway

message: I have added a note about the accreditation of language schools and will follow this shortly with a reference.Mikeo1938 11:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Education 

message: I've not looked at the article for a while and must say that it's all shaping up rather well.  However, perhaps we need more consistency in the headings.  Some are in bold and others not.  Mikeo1938 21:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Headings 

message: I can't work out how to insert an internal link for lime kilns.  Can someone pse do it?  Then I'll look & learn.  Thanks. Mikeo1938 19:41, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Areas and Suburbs 

message: I've deleted the note about Orwell and Chalk Farm as it's incorrect.  There's a comprehensive article about Eric Blair (Orwell's real name) and his schooldays in E'bne in a Newsletter of Eastbourne Local History Society.  The biographies of Orwell by Michael Shelden and Bernard Crick are also both clear in this respect. Mikeo1938 22:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Orwell 

message: Could someone pse move the pic down a fraction?  It's obscuring part of the text.  (Not sure how to do it myself.) Mikeo1938 19:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was one of those word processing/Internet browser quirks. It probably looked okay on some peoples browsers. I reduced the image size which worked for me, but it may upset someone else! MortimerCat 20:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

text: It looks okay on my Firefox. IE7 leaves a big gap between the paragraphs. I do not know of a way to adjust the position apart from the basic left or right. All I am doing is reducing the size hoping that may help the wrapping.  MortimerCat 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wish Twr Pic 

message: I have placed the review on hold as these need fixing:
*The lead section needs expanding so it adequately summarizes the content of the article; see WP:LEAD for guidelines. 
*If the 2005 pop estimate is reliable, it should be used in the lead and mentioned in the demographics section. If not, it should be removed from the infobox. New figure obtained!
*According to Wikipedia:Manual of Style, it is not recommended to specify the size of images, as the size should be what readers have specified in their user preferences. 
*Ampersands shouldn't be used.  They have been removed from prose, but left where they are part of a title such as French & Saunders
*Read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) for the correct use of dashes. There are many dashes in the article which need changing. 
*Full dates and dates with a day and month need to be linked. Years on their own shouldn't be linked. The same apples to dates in the footnotes. 
*These could be wikilinked: Dukes of Devonshire, Georgian era, Prince Edward, Prince Octavius, Princess Elizabeth, Princess Sophie, Stagecoach  except Stagecoach - The division that covers Eastbourne does not have an article.
*The See Also section can be removed as all articles are already mentioned. 
*There should be 'non-breaking spaces' between numbers and units, such as 1500 m. These kind of spaces can be placed by typing  . 
*"Created almost from scratch..." - this sounds too informal 
*"Four of the Eastbourne County Councillors are currently serving as Borough Councillors." — sentences involving the word "currently" should be avoided as they eventually become outdated.   The preceding paragraph already stated the fact in general terms.
*"This beautifully situated manor house" - this doesn't sound encyclopedic 
*"The obvious place of leisure is..." - this doesn't sound encyclopedic  - I've subsituted "natural" for "obvious", but also made clear why - IMSoP 20:25, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: I'm just noting this here in case anyone wants to disagree with me - I brought it up a long time ago, but it got lost in a larger (and rather personal) argument. I've removed the following sentence:
:Beachy Head lost much of its grandeur in 2001 when its main distinguishing feature — the tower of chalk known as the Devil's Chimney — collapsed into the sea following a winter of heavy rain.
My reasoning being:
# I've never heard of Beachy Head having a Devil's Chimney, and dispute that this (rather than, say, its position, height, and geology) was "its main distinguishing feature", and therefore that its loss would cause any greater loss of "grandeur" than the countless other large collapses in its (geologically recent) history.
# The phrasing "much of its grandeur" strikes me as more poetic than encyclopedic, though I suppose the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Like I say, if anyone disagrees, I'd be happy to discuss further. - IMSoP 20:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I remember it happening, although I didn't know it was called Devils chimney, until I found this article . Here is the picture, which is the one used on the stamp. .  I am going to put the collapse back to pad out the geography section, as its evidence the cliff is eroding, but with a little less poetry.  MortimerCat 23:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Beachy Head lost much of it's granduer..." 

message: I will be able to fix most of these but can't do much this week. Mikeo1938 21:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am hoping to get to the local library but that will be at the weekend too. MortimerCat 23:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll extend the on hold deadline by three days. Epbr123 23:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Thank you MortimerCat 23:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations re local history 

message: I'd also heard that "Roger Moore once lived in the penthouse flat of the South Cliff Tower".  However, over the past couple of days I've tried in vain to find a citation.  I guess this and other unsubstantiated entries will have to be deleted pending further research. Mikeo1938 09:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On Sunday, we should move the remaining unreferenced ones to the talk page and only allow them back with a reference. MortimerCat 17:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

text: "Education: private governess and tutors, preliminary school Habershon's at St. Leonards, Sussex, private tutors, private school 5I Bateman St., Cambridge, private tutors, Yarrow's School, Streatham, near London. Malvern College, Tonbridge School, private tutors, Eastbourne College, King's College, London, Trinity College, Cambridge."
Shall we revert him to being a student? He did after all play on the college's chess team which further suggests he was a proper student.Malick78 10:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

text: To make it easier to turn the other notable residents to prose, I have moved some entries elsewhere, such as Aleister Crowley to education. MortimerCat 08:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations for Other Residents 

message: I'm trying to add refs but having great difficulty without my broadband and using a stone-age computer.  In Ref 5, we need Callaghan, Richard.  Could someone pse change it.  Also I'm wondering about the names in Ref 12; could there be a typo? (Mikeo1938)
:This is not a mistake, not in the Eastbourne article anyway. The template asks for first2 and last2 and displays them as first2 last2. We must conclude that this is Wikipedia style, although I will mention this on the citation talk page. 
:The answer from the citation talk page was that this is correct. The main author is listed Surname first, for alphabetical filing reasons, any subsequent authors are listed forename first. MortimerCat 20:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Amendments to Refs

message: disaster! My ancient i-Mac has died. I have many citations to add but can do nothing till I return to my main location on Wednesday. Can we get another extension? (I will not be able to read any replies myself but they will be phoned through to me) (Mikeo1938)
:All the GA recommendations have been considered so I am asking for a further GA assessment. The next step is Featured Article status so keep improving the article. I dug up some more information during my the intensive research over the weekend, so there is more to come. MortimerCat 12:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: i-Mac RIP

message: Thank you, MortimerCat, for all you did ... especially over the last frantic weekend ... to steer the article through to the GA stage. Mikeo1938 21:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for you help too, plus thanks to everyone else who has contributed to the article over the years. MortimerCat 21:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA Review 

message: I've reinstated the note about the market.  However, I can't get the reference to appear as it should.  It is one which we already have: Stevens, Lawrence (1987), A Short History of Eastbourne, Eastbourne: Eastbourne Local History Society,   Could someone pse do it?
I think the problem might have been that the new fact comes before the existing one. I had to cut and paste the existing reference into its new position, although please check I have picked up the right citation.  MortimerCat 20:03, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Market 

message: There's no "e" at the end.  However, I can't easily edit from here.  Could someone pse change the two recent edits.88.65.175.1 16:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is spelt Belle Toute on its official website   MortimerCat 20:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Just thought I would comment that the main Belle Tout{e} lighthouse article has an e. The Tout version redirects to the Toute version. MortimerCat 16:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Belle Tout 

message: Malick78: I’ve deleted your edit of 16 September because it’s a repeat of what already appears.  However, I take the point that it’s useful to include the dates, 1899-1939, and these have been inserted above.Mikeo1938 16:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Cyprian's School 

message: This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Epbr123 13:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA Pass

message: The above is getting rather long.  We have two refs to the book by Cullen one after the other.  May I suggest that we incorporate these into one reference using superscript "a" and "b", as is the case for other such repeated refs?  Malick78 - I've just done this for two separate refs to an Eastbourne Society Newsletter.  Shall I do the same for your two Cullen refs?Mikeo1938 22:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Common references should be merged, I have done the Cullen reference. I often wonder if the Newsletter references should be merged. They need to be separate if a reader wants to locate a specific article, however if a general index is available to the newletters then perhaps they could be merged? MortimerCat 10:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Footnotes