Talk:2004 Palm Island death in custody

message: There seems to be some inconsistency with what the individual at the center of this affair is named, both in this article and in the wider media.  Some call him Mulrunji Doomadgee , others call him Cameron Doomadgee .  
In order to make the article as readable as possible, I propose that we make a note in the first paragraph that he's known as Cameron Doomadgee and Mulrunji Doomadgee, and then refer to him simply as "Doomadgee" in the rest of the article.  This also has the advantage of being consistent with the other usage of names in the article, we talk about "Hurley" most of the time, not "Chris".
If no objections, I'll make the change in the next couple of days.
Lankiveil 12:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Lankiveil, it is a tricky point however the media in this case is incorrect, Mulrunji is an honorific (see  for NT example).  Mulrunji Doomadgee is completely inappropriate (as you point out many of the media have used this due, obviously, to a lack of understanding, not deliberately trying to be disrespectful to the dead and the family).  The person's name was Cameron Doomadgee, he is referred to as Mulrunji now that he has passed away.  Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 13:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done a bit more background on this issue, Mulrunji is a name that was specifically chosen by the family for this particular individual according to their cultural beliefs, it is intended to disguise him from evil spirits while he is in transition.  I will create a separate page for him as I have just come across an article in the Australian which provides a lot of info about his life, we can further clarify the name situation in that article. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 07:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou for clearing that up.  I've gone ahead and just referred to him as "Doomadgee", which based on the links you have provided, I think is a nice neutral term that not only identifies the person clearly, but is also unlikely to cause offense to any Aboriginal persons.  Lankiveil 12:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Doomadgee is not a neutral term and does cause offense in indigenous culture, if referring to a person by their last name only was culturally appropriate then there would be no honourific title.  I will be reverting your edit.  Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 12:44, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree with you (respectfully), and have started a discussion here: []. Lankiveil 12:03, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand. Surely the only name that won't be offensive is "Mulrunji" and he should be called that? Since that seems to be the name throughout the article now I suspect Lankiveil lost interest.User:Jb3  -(User talk:Jb3) 10:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doomadgee/Mulrunji/Cameron 

message: I'm not sure where to move the info recently added by User:Jb3, it is certainly relevant although the referencing is incorrect, but it does not belong where it has been placed.  Any thoughts?  WikiTownsvillian 07:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: move info

message: Aboriginals in australia do not speak the name of people after they have passed away out of respect. i feel that this article needs a warning sign up the top, similar to the slashdotted traffic warning, so that aboriginal readers can choose if they wish to read the article further. 
The ABC in australia make these warnings before any news peice or show that states a passed persons name. i feel wikipedia should too. if there is already one, i do not know how to place it above the page, could someone please do so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crabbo (talk • contribs) 03:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Warning of deceased persons naming 

message: Someone put a weasel words tag at the top indicating there are weasel words and the article might be biased. However there is nothing in the discussion or anything specific. The primary contributors to this article had wildly opposing views so I am figuring it was close to balanced. Now the verdict is in so the controversy is gone. It just needs adjustment to reflect the jury's findings. I have removed the weasel tag and am terminating weasel words where I find them. The only exeption is the comment about the suspicion leading to a second autopsy. On the face it is weasel words but could easily be cured with a reference. WikiTownsvillian can you help? User:Jb3  -(User talk:Jb3) 09:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Jb3, firstly my sincere apologies, this all happened at a very awkward time for me so I have not been able to assist in keeping this article up to date, and might have lead to some hostility from people who are new to the article. I am pleased to let you know that I have just finished my last exam and will be able to put a bit of time in this evening (while catching up on all the events of this week myself).  I appreciate any efforts you and others have and will make and I will certainly be assisting to bring this article up to scratch.  I agree with you that since your contributions started both views have been very adequately expressed (although honestly I was trying to keep the language neutral before that).  The main deficiency in the article to my mind is not bias but lack of information, it is still a work in progress, this topic has had a HUGE amount written about it, and the article has only been created and written to this point over the last few months.  Most of the supporting material for this article has been from the earlier reportage also so this may have lead to what some might have perceived as weasel words, as you said without an explanation from the person who left the tag we will not know.  Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 02:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: weasel words

message: Looking through the references and EL need to be cleaned up and made consistent. A copy edit and it'd be  ready for WP:GAC Gnangarra 12:45, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Gnagarra, I haven't worked on this article for a long time and there was quite a bit I thought was important to be added after the Hurley verdict which I haven't done yet.  I think "Criminal trial of Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley" is a very important section to this article and needs significant expansion before it goes to GAR.  Your thoughts?  Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 12:59, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking further I see a section commented out, also what further information is relevant, considering BLP/undue as Sergeant Chris Hurley was found not guilt in the Supreme court. There is already a lot of coverage in various sections over his actions related to the event, which is understandable. Gnangarra 12:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What does "a section commented out" mean? there was heaps of info about the trial and how it was conducted, it was on the front page of the paper almost every day and we didn't really put any of it up here because I was too busy at the time and never got back to it. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 13:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: see this diff for section I referred to Gnangarra 13:07, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: re:trial my concern is undue weight to the actions of Hurley, if there is other information on the trial then add it. Gnangarra 13:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When I have a decent amount of time to do so I will and always did intend to come back to it, I'm not complaining that the article isn't up to scratch, I'm just flagging what I think will be an issue if we brought it to a GAR in its current form. Cheers, WikiTownsvillian 13:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  B class review 

message: "Two legal questions arise from the death, firstly whether the taking into custody of Mulrunji was lawful and were the injuries that led to his death caused by the arresting officer. Politically this event raised questions relating to the 1990 Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody and whether its recommendations to prevent deaths in custody had been implemented by Government."
I'm about to edit the above paragraph as I believe it is wrong. There was never a question as to whether Queensland law permits a police officer to arrest a person for being drunk and disorderly in public. Hurley's decision wasn't illegal and if it had been the scrutiny by the DPP and very public nature of this incident should have resulted in that being picked up. Hurley's prudence in doing the arrest and his motivation have been questioned. Likewise the cause issue can probably be put better.
In fairness the person who edited it like this was constrained by the beginning "Two legal questions" which had been there for ages. I believe the editor jumped to conclusions and made a slight inaccuracy larger.Jb3 (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Doomadgee wasn't arrested for being drunk, he was arrested for public nuisance. A drunk Doomadgee had already walked past Hurley, and was not arrested - he was arrested after turning back around and swearing at Hurley. None but Hurley heard this swearing, and I think there is a genuine issue as to whether swearing in public is illegal, and particularly in this case where the only public to be subjected to any kind of nuisance is the arresting officer himself (whether or not there should even be such a vague law as public nuisance, and the fact that the law is applied disproportional to certain groups, are not even questions that need to come into it) - 124.191.144.183 (talk) 09:37, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legal Questions 

message: Presumably it doesn't refer to the Black Death; can someone rewrite the sentence so it's clearer? --NE2 19:44, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "147th Black Death"? 

message: The third inquest into the 2004 death custody of Mulrunji started on Palm Island on 8th March 2010 after the Queensland Police Union had successfully challenged the finding of the 2006 inquest that Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley repeatedly punched Mulrunji cleaving his liver and fatally rupturing his portal vein. 
Deputy Chief Magistrate Brian P Hine presided.Nnoddy (talk) 04:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Re-opened (Third) Inquest 

message: On the 8 July 2010 124.177.31.98 added information with the comment "I merely added some more of the findings from the CA. Especially that Hurley had "changed" his evidence and given evidence that was patently untrue, given it's withdrawal". That is not true. I just checked the judgement and that is not a part of the judgement. The judgement did quote the original Coroner (the one who had their findings overturned for being wrong) and there is something to that effect in that quote but that is not the Court of Appeal's judgement. Perhaps that is where the confusion arose. 124.177.31.98 perhaps you should read the judgement more closely.
Jb3 (talk) 01:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect addition regarding Court of Appeal Judgement

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thread_title:  Dead link 7 

message: I just made some fairly small changes but I made a huge change by swapping the political controversies section about ALP branch revolts and air ticket controversies with the investigation section. I believe that the incident is known for the death and Hurley's involvement and those more obscure albeit interesting issues should be after the Hurley section. However since it is such a major change I thought it a good idea to raise it anyway in talk in case anyone has a contrary view. Jb3 (talk) 10:22, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changing section order 

message: Not reading the entire article top-to bottom, just skimming it, some of the wordings stand out.
For example (emphasis mine) 
*"In an extremely politically controversial grab for the nation's media attention...."
*"The State Government has since been largely vindicated with the PCYC Centre having become a great success on the island where young and old participate in numerous sporting, educational and cultural activities in a safe and comfortable environment."
The above emphasised are merely some of the more odious parts of sentences which are as a whole a bit strange to me, and the sentences are merely representative parts of the whole article. - 124.191.144.183 (talk) 10:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Wording

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message: The article is unambiguously about a death in custody, so it should be in :Category:Deaths in police custody in Australia. The fact that the redirect Mulrunji Doomadgee is in that category does not prevent the article itself from also being in that category.
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Mitch Ames (talk) 01:24, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi, I saw that names were used in the category so I added Mulrunji Doomadgee that redirects to the article and removed 2004 Palm Island death in custody article as it was now a duplicate. I'm not familiar with the categories policies for duplicates. I'm a category novice. Regards, Melbguy05 (talk) 09:07, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: The short answer is that "duplicates" are allowed. See WP:INCOMPATIBLE - "more than one name [for an article] seems equally valid. The alternative name(s) becomes a redirect and gets categorized the same way as its target." Mitch Ames (talk) 09:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Deaths in police custody in Australia