Talk:Ivermectin

message: Can we have a list of countries selling oral Ivermectin over the counter for humans or animals?
En .wiki article of Ivermectin now says:
Legal status
CA: ℞-only
US: ℞-only/ 
EU: Rx-only (UK not mentioned at en . wikipedia, but Rx-only also there)
Each EU country decides independently, which drugs are Rx-only, which are over the counter medicines. Are we sure Ivermectin (oral or topical) isn't over the counter in some EU country or in other European country?
I heard one can buy ivermectin tablets in some countries (in global south only?) at airports from vending  machines, one doesn't even need to visit a pharmacy to buy it? And one doesn't even need to leave the airport, if one visits such airport and such country only to buy the medicine.
Because of growing Scabies problem in Europe, and side-effects of topical lotions, there is growing interest for better availability of scabies drugs.
Topical scabies lotions:
difficult to apply everywhere on body, bad smell, skin irritation and dying and smell of clothes.
91.159.188.106 (talk) 16:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:NOTDIR. Presumably Europeans with scabies get it from doctors, rather than airports, as it's an established treatment. Bon courage (talk) 17:02, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we have a list of countries selling oral Ivermectin over the counter for humans or animals? 

message: The FDA over played their hand and has had to walk it back.  The repeated mention (3 times) of the conflict between invitro dose concentration and practical dosing is not meaningful.  All the invivo studies that have shown benefit have used typical treatment doses. There has never been a call to use high doses so claiming this is why it does not work is spurious.
The "You are not a horse" comment was in bad faith, the FDA had no right to say it and has been ordered to remove it, this should be made very clear.
While Wikipedia is in thrall to the pharmaceutical industrial complex and global politics their credibility is in freefall and until they decide to clean house they position as puppets of the globalists is plain for all to see. [Trickle Truthing] is not what encyclopaedias are about.  
Wikipedia was captured, the editors were played it is time to earn the trust of humanity again.  87.95.122.66 (talk) 13:32, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Ignoring the more moronic parts of your comment, this topic is covered in the Ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic article. The US courts ruled the FDA couldn't post content which might amount to medical advice so, so the FDA removed all of it. They did not however 'walk back' their view that there is no good evidence ivermectin has any use for COVID-19, in common with every other reputable medical information source on the planet. Some of the ivermectin cultists on social media have tried to spin this as the FDA somehow reversing their view; we cover that too. Bon courage (talk) 13:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is time to remove any negative FDA mention. 

message: Wikipedia is participating in a propaganda campaign against Ivermectin.  This is not speculation or hearsay, it is systematic.  Wikipedia is parroting the false narrative of toxicity and overdosing that the FDA, CDC and WHO pivoted to in 2020/1 after Ivermectin was found to be of great value in treating SARS-CoV-2, before that it was known globally as a very SAFE drug by the developers and all health regulators. 
A drug that was cheap and had an extremely good safety profile for 30 years, had been dosed safely in excess of 3 billion doses with less than 8000 recorded adverse drug reactions as shown in the [VigiAccess] database in the decades it has been monitored in contrast to the plethora of adverse events with other popular treatments and prophylactics such as acetaminophen, remdesivir, baricitinib, bamlanivimab and comirnaty.  Those using it to treat in frontline clinical care or research did not need and were not using the in-vitro concentrations, they were using between 1x and 3x times the standard dose depending on the Covid-19 variant under treatment.  Trying to insinuate that SARS-CoV-2 treatment needs an ESTIMATED large dose that is 35x the norm when no one is using or proposing such a dose is not encyclopaedic knowledge, it is misinformation or in this case propaganda disinformation.  
A 100x overdose is non lethal. 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10108531/ 
A 77x overdose is non lethal.    
https://doi.org/10.1016/s0196-0644(99)70271-4 
Wikipedia has been co-opted as a propaganda mouthpiece and right thinking editors want it to change.
Why does an out-of patent, safe, cheap and effective drug for SARS-CoV-2 treatment have scary warnings about toxicity but the patent, less safe, less cheap, less effective drugs get a free pass on Wikipedia?
Some soul searching is in order. Upper management has been lying to the editors at Wikipedia.  The secondary sources are NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRUSTWORTHY when they conflict with primary sources and this policy of [appealing to authority] has been used as a tool to corrupt the content of Wikipedia to follow political and multinational economic interests in opposition to self evident facts.
All the primary sources can be seen at the live review site that is banned for collating medical research.
You can look at all the studies easily collected and relevant details extracted and interesting severe failures and conflicts of interest also noted on linked pages.  Much of the Wikipedia commentary (for sadly it is not encyclopaedic knowledge) relies on studies that are clearly not up to scientific standards yet get a free pass because some unelected three letter health agency makes claims that they are best of breed.
The site c19early.org should be required reading for anyone who wants to edit any Wikipedia page relating to any treatment for SARS-CoV-2 to verify the secondary sources as a sanity check.  If a source contradicts over 100 studies then the source is SUSPECT, not the 100+ studies.
 87.95.122.66 (talk) 15:24, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia isn't a mouthpiece for fringe medical advice that can harm people. Acroterion (talk) 15:28, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Toxicity and overdose warnings are scaremongering