Talk:Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut

message: The story of this film is so subjective, full of accusations and vitriol that the only way to tell it objectively is by enabling the various players to express their viewpoints. Without them, the entry would be either full of 'he said although she said something else' or would simply not be objective.
:It can still be done in a more appropriate way than a quote every few lines. Rhindle The Red 15:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Too many quotes?

message: Do we need an unsourced and mostly original research section that of its own admission is unconfirmed?  Anyone care to defend this stuff?Rhindle The Red 00:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Continuity problems" section

message: * It'd be extremely difficult to merge this quantity of content into the already-large Superman II--and the content here is of a quality that merits its keeping.  As it stands, the two editions of the film sound dramatically different enough such that each requires its own article.  Keep it here.  Tom Lillis 06:53, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Superman II]] Merge

message: The lead sentence states "Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, also known as The Version You've Never Seen" - I've never seen the title "The Version You've Never Seen" anywhere but here, and it isn't mentioned on any of the links at the bottom. I'm removing this statement. If anyon wants to add it back, please cite sources. (I expect that if it does have an official source, it's just a tagline as opposed to the actual title of the film). —EatMyShortz 09:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Version You've Never Seen?

message: Don't you think that would destroy the continuity of Superman Returns?
Art1991 20:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Who cares about Returns, Superman III is the TRUE continuation of  II as it was originally. Sorry  you can't just decide the film doesn't exist in the timeline, cause it does.--12.72.30.5 07:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try telling that to the fans of The Highlander who hate the second film. 70.108.65.167 23:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually if someone later reinvents the chronology (retcons it), then the film no longer applies. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.190.92.205 (talk) 02:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Now that I've seen the film, here's the real answer to my own question! Superman turns back the world, in the process rebuilding the Fortress of Solitude! Case closed. Dilemma solved. Good night. Art1991 04:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Destroy the Fortress of Solitude?

message: I've been through and amended all instances of Superman: The Movie to the correct Superman. The former was only used in pre-release advertising, but has since made its way on to various DVD covers, which serves to keep the misconception alive. Chris 42 19:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First film's title 

message: Would it be worth discussing these in the body of the article?
*In the scene where Lois pretends to shoot Clark to prove he's Superman there is NO WAY Superman wouldn't have known the gun was firing a blank. It's already been established in film I that he can catch a bullet, so he'd certainly be aware that in this case there was no bullet to catch.
*Last time we see Luthor he's in the Fortress of solitude. No explanation of what Supe does with him. (Yeah, it's explained in the deleted scene, but not in the movie.)
*When Superman turns time backwards some events are reversed but not others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lee M (talk • contribs) 04:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Without citation of someone else pointing out plotholes, it's original research and doesn't belong.  WesleyDodds 14:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot holes 

message: Some where in the article you can read, that the Richard Donner Cut has a much better rating than the "original" Superman II has on the IMDB. But that's not the hole thruth: while about 20.000 people voted for the normal version, just about 2.000 people voted for the latter. So while the normal film has the votes of all kind of people, the Donner Cut just has ratings from fans. One have to say something about this, because it makes a big difference.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.247.15.169 (talk) 16:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: IMDB

message: I have commented out this section since it is completely unsourced and seems to be nothing but original research.  If it can be sourced, fine.  If not, it should be removed completely. Rhindle The Red 03:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Continuity with series

message: The DVD cover has changed. I would appreciate if someone would upload the new DVD cover. Thank You!
Limetolime 23:32, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New DVD Cover 

message: I deleted the Trivia section, but I'm placing what was there here, so that it can be saved until there is a way to figure out how to incorporate the information into the article. Anakinjmt 15:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: In the section, The Mankiewicz script / original Donner shoot, well down we find this:
:Niagara Falls bungalow interiors:....This scene was never filmed, but the original Donner-directed Reeve and Kidder screen tests, which played out this scene, have been edited together and feature here....Reeve and Kidder did not test together...."
Yes, they did, as seen in the last VHS and first DVD release of the 1978 film, with Lynn Stalmaster presenting several screen tests. Or, more accurately, when the would-be Loises tested, the already-hired Reeve played opposite them as Holly Palance had with him, doing the same scenes that they'd done for his tests, including this one. Now I have yet to see this version of II, so don't know if we do see Holly here or not, but I can't imagine why we would. I request that anybody who has seen this film inform us as to what the reality there is. Thanks. (By the way, this scene is stupid, as there's no way Superman can't tell the difference between a bullet bouncing off him and nothing whatsoever hitting him {or a blank's wadding hitting him}.) --Ted Watson (talk) 21:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It says that? That's totally wrong. I know the scene you mean, and Kidder and Reeve are in the same shot. What they did was take two different screen tests and put them together: one with Kidder and Reeve, and one of Reeve with Palance. You can tell because the glasses and hair are different on Reeve's closeup. Anakinjmt (talk) 14:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So they did use some of Reeve's test with Holly. Since you say the difference is detectable in Chris' appearance, I assume that Holly isn't visible, and they just wanted the close-up from the Kidder test. I'll rewrite the passage according to you; what's there isn't sourced itself, so nobody can complain on that ground. --Ted Watson (talk) 18:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reeve & Kidder '''did''' test together 

message: The section "Continuity with series" is loaded with poor syntax, grammar, etc. I've just fixed one instance ("diswayed" should have been "dissuaded"), but too much requires familiarity with this version to understand exactly what was intended, what should be written. As I haven't seen it (yet), I can't be the one to fix it. Somebody please.... --Ted Watson (talk) 23:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Continuity with series" section 

message: Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut is the only director's cut to have its own article. I've noticed that there's no category at the bottom to identify it as 1980 film or a 2006 film. I think we should put it in one of these categories. Which one? 220.244.198.109 (talk) 06:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A 1980 film or a 2006 film? 

message: Article has been tagged for needing citations for several years. Please feel free to reincorporate below material with appropriate references. Doniago (talk) 13:41, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced Material 

message: The destruction of the Fortress of Solitude by Superman's heat vision (from a distance and with Lois looking on) was in the television edit of the first Superman movie that was aired by ABC-TV.  It was filmed while Superman and Superman II were being filmed at the same time.  It is completely different from the Superman II destruction scene. --KJRehberg (talk) 21:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: He did not destroy the Fortress of Solitude in Superman I. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Destruction of Fortress of Solitude in Superman 1 

message: The thief and the cobbler is another example of a film that was nearly completed, but had its creator fired from the project right before release. It would make sense to add it to the 'see also' section.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.106.235.137 (talk) 15:53, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  I suggest we add the thief and the cobbler to the 'see also' section 

message: In the trailer section, there is this comment: "On November 21, 2006, Warner Bros. released the trailer for the Ultimate Superman and Supergirl Collection DVD box set". I have not seen nor could find evidence of such a trailer, and recommend the text be removed unless it can be sourced.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.59.120.146 (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ultimate Superman and Supergirl Collection Trailer? 

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