Talk:Halo (franchise)/Archive 1

message: Ok some guy deleted the section referencing possible events for Halo 3. I put it back up. Seeing as this is to be in all likelihood the last Halo, most of the referenced plot points would have to be addressed. There is seriuos debate over the diner points of the plot, but most agree over the general issues. No one before in some 200+ edits deleted it- why should you? David 01:58, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note, that whole section is for user-supported speculation, based on elements that (hopefully) have been discussed here for credibility. If someone has a beef with any particular part of the possible events, they only have to talk about what their problem is. Gspawn 22:12, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Reverting...

message: There doesn't seem to be any link to the obvious homage to Forbidden Planet in the Halo article. Examples include the shape of the doors, the graphics on the walls of the labs, which are shaped similarly to the power meters in Morbius's lab.  As soon as a I played Halo, it was obvious that the whole game was a homage to the film. 
scope_creep 20:55, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Forbidden Planet Influence or Homage 

message: I think that the MJOLNIR article mostly needs a lot of cleanup, as many of its elements are fan-created explanations of game errata. For example, the MJOLNIR page lists the Mark VI suit as basically taking less physical damage than the MkV (as though it were a real product and tests had been performed), when in fact this general feeling was just a product of balancing elements of Halo 2, since an entirely different physics engine and damage modeling system was used, as well as a completely new set of weapons. If MJOLNIR were to be included, I would reccomend it be very heavily trimmed. Gspawn 18:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or we could, you know, redirect it to MJOLNIR battle armor, like I just did.--KrossTalk 04:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge with MJOLNIR?

message: Colonel Sanders? XBOX system? Satan-666? Sexual pleasure? I think this needs to be reverted.
where did you find all that?
>x<ino 10:54, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: What the...

message: I'd really like to see a source for the claim that the works of Halo fanfic mentioned in the Fan Fiction section really are well-known among the Halo fan community. Just something to back up the claim, and to show that these works are notable enough to merit a mention in the article. --Dalziel 86 08:49, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the advert tag to the fan fiction section.  In my opinion the section isn't really needed in the article seeing as there's fan fiction for everything.  The section's purpose seems to be to advertise fan fiction authors above all else.  --TheKoG 19:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Halo Fanfic

message: This is to answer 68.39.193.120's question on why I changed the spoiler template command.
Basically, I was trying to reduce the # of different accesses on the servers to different wiki templates.  The use of the 'subst' command would force the spoiler template to be permantenly inserted into the article, instead of having the page access another template to print out for the reader.  This spoiler template is not going to change very soon I believe, and to have hundreds of pages on wiki access the same text over and over again isn't good use of server resources.  This page already takes some time to load b/c of traffic, I was just tweaking it to not access more than needed.  Anyhows, that's my answer.  If people want to keep that  command, go ahead, I just think it's a pointless template to keep active.--LifeStar 22:25, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Better use of wiki commands and templates

message: The music in halo that is basically priest singing, is there a word for it?
Pece Kocovski 10:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Gregorian, if I remember, is an all-male singing a capella religious chants. If it has instruments or female voices at all, it's not Gregorian. There should be a name somewhere for Halo 2's female-inclusive singing, but I don't think it's Gregorian.
If you're looking for more Gregorian chants, there's a CD from the benedictine monks of Santo Domingo called Chant. It can get long and tedious at parts, but it's good chillin' music. And gregorian doesn't count women, so I don't know what you call the other stuff.  David 23:50, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  what do you call 

message: "...all SPARTAN-II soldiers should have numbers ranging from 001 to 150. There should, according to previously established canon, not be a SPARTAN-458."
Obviously, there is not supposed to be any Spartan 458. Obviously, there still is a Spartan 458. Here is a sentence from the article history: "But some theories suggest that she is part of the spartan 2.5 or spartan 3 project." I haven't played DOA4 so I don't know, but is there anywhere in the Halo canon where it clearly says that 458 is a Spartan-II? If not, then why not keep this speculative, but quite possible, explanation in the article? Sippan 19:42, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is some evidence that there may be more SPARTAN-IIs or even IIIs, as if you read the novels, furthers "batches" were in "training" at the time when Reach was glassed. It's entirely possible more SPARTANs were created to fill in the ranks of the missing ones, as their dwindling numbers would have been most disconcerting after the program went public. Anyway, Reach was glassed, effectively ending the possibility of any future SPARTANs (and almost certainly eliminating a SPARTAN-III program and all trainees if it/they existed), but that's not to say some didn't make it off Reach beforehand. So no concrete evidence either way, but evidence from the novels would suggest that at least some of the new SPARTAN-IIs did make it, and that's where Nicole comes in. Gspawn 21:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nicole is a cameo in a non-Halo game, so they can mess with the Halo story like that. If they did it in a Halo game it would create plot holes but not in a different game. They probably didn't mean for it to be canon.--Zxcvbnm 21:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spartan 458 

message: The statement that in both Halo and Known Space, "humans develop space travel on their own and encounter a technologically superior race" is highly debatable. Humans did not exactly develop very GOOD space travel on their own in Known Space. The "hostile race" were the Kzinti and they were not very bright.
Suffice to say the only "technologically superior" race the humans met up with were the Outsiders and Pierson's Puppeteers. Both are mostly harmless. Except the Puppeteers who are so cowardly that they would view Nerf toys as being exceedingly dangerous. The only "hostile race" they encountered were the Kzinti who had to outnumber a completely pacifist colony 10,000 to 1 just to invade it. Their first encounter wit humans was with a pacifist ship with no weapons. The Kzinti lost that fight as well. So much for technologically superior. It's pretty sad when you lose a battle and hundreds of waves of invasion forces to an unarmed race that doesn't even have a word for "weapon" or "violence".
Asside from Halo being essentially an affectionate nod to the Pak built Ringworld, the rest of the statements about connections to Known Space are tenuous at best.
-LucyS, 14:39 GMT, 21 January 2006
:The Ringworld connection is one that's pretty important, on some level, as it's been a major theme in the fan world for a long time (see: Louis Wu of halo.bungie.org). The connections are of course very tenuous (with so many references to fit in one game!), but it's impossible to deny sights like "the arch" of the seemingly neverending Ringworld bending across the sky, so prominently featured in the game, that was so critical to tales from Ringworld. In fact, why isn't the arch mentioned? It was a fascinating aspect of the book that was pulled off incredibly in the game. Gspawn 21:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Known Space connection 

message: Added the "upcoming release" banner, changed elements to reflect the new WWU at bungie.net, and took out some weasel sections. Yes, people are griping about the exclusivity, but computer users also need to realize that OS upgrades are inevitable. Yes it's meant to entice people to the new OS, but this is a standard practice for any OS upgrade. Gspawn 22:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: H2 for Vista

message: Someone reverting edits at some point missed a gap that was filled in. Currently, several lines are basically missing from the text, and the edit history is a little too messed up to get a most accurate picture of the cut parts. Currently, the section reads: "The SPARTANs were originally created to bolster the UNSC's own defenses against piracy and other jacks as part of the upgrades necessary to don the MJOLNIR armor, in addition to other measures". The emphasized part is where the missing text would go. I'll try to patch over from memory. Gspawn 20:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Master Chief revert problem

message: From the article: "Also, there are numerous similarities between the marines of Halo and those of Aliens."  As if to say that this is a point in favor of Aliens being part of Halo's heritage.  Well, Halo may owe a lot to Aliens, but the marines connection is bogus.  Both owe their marines to The Few, The Proud, The (U.S.) Marines.  Ooorah.  No, I'm not a marine, and I don't play one on TV, but come on, give me a break.  The marines of Aliens and Halo both owe their origins to the Green Machine.  Semper Fi. --Mike 05:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (fixed your header) Completely incorrect. Yes, they're all based on Marine mythology. But on a related note, Spider-Man (at its inception) was just another teen drama heightened by the amazing properties of radiation (at least in comics). So does that mean the Spider-Man movies aren't based on the comics? Halo's marines are based on Aliens' down to the body armor, the assault rifles, the HUD/helmet with recorder, the smartass black sergeant... it's more than a similarity. It's an homage. Gspawn 15:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Origins/Similarities

message: Can Metroid Prime really count as an influence for Halo? The first Prime game came out almost exactly one year after Halo: Combat Evolved. There's a bare possibility that Metroid Prime influenced Halo 2, but simply saying that MP and Halo are "similar" shouldn't be in the Influences section. Heck, it probably doesn't need to be mentioned anywhere on the Halo page at all. 14 March, 2006
no and its stupid for you to even think thats possible.
No! It's just gEEk sh*t, and fAnb0y who wanna start sh*tless trouble. Comparing games that doesn't match. A Action game and Adventure game compared together!?
First of all, hAl0 is better in some ways, while Metroid is better in another way!
:>x<ino 22:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: >x<ino 14:09, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Hm. Lemme see if I can come up with any other stories that share that elements- wait, how about virtually every story known to humans? Heh. That's a "common culture" item, and Metroid Prime doesn't need a mention. Gspawn 13:34, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Metroid Prime

message: I just recieved the April issue of Game Informer (they are printed in advance, and subscribers get them before Gamestop stores). On pages 18 and 19, citing an inside source, there is an article that says that Bungie has been working on a project called "Forerunner" which will be the next entry in the Halo series. I posted the details in the Halo 3 section.Thewonderwaffle 14:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Bungie has confirmed this is a fake. Can link if necessary . Deletion pending if necessary. Note also: Yes, that is Frankie, and yes Bungie does interact with their fans that closely. Gspawn 17:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Noting the fact that the entirety of the section is speculation (all of which Bungie has denied) I feel that this is relevent due to the fact that it was published in the top Gaming magazine in the world and is entirely plausable. I think it should stay. In the article, it specifically states that it is not an April Fools joke. I predict that at E3 we will find out the truth...Thewonderwaffle 00:03, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is definately a joke, Bungie has confirmed that without question. Bronzey 05:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to add some cleanup, but everyone- please sign at the end of your comment, and not under it, as it can mess Wikipedia formatting up (and cause users to split your comment from your sig- both have happened here). Seems silly, saves hassle.Gspawn 17:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Lots of things have been published by reputable sources about Bungie that were absolute falsehoods. Even CNN carried news that "Bungie had pushed back Halo 2" in financial reports. If anyone had asked Bungie, they had been saying the dates were made up by retailers to drive sales all along, and not to listen to any date but the final (Nov.11?) they delivered on.Gspawn 17:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I think that if we are going to speculate about the storyline of Halo 3 (if there is in fact a halo 3, which Bungie has denied) then at least we  can speculate as to when it is coming out, or if it is being worked on. Thewonderwaffle 14:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course you can. But Bungie hasn't denied anything (er, not denied Halo 3 anyway)- they've only said they're not yet saying what their next game is. It could very well BE Halo 3, and they just don't have enough next-gen material to be ready to showcase it yet. But there are some things you can check with Bungie for. For example, with Halo 2 release dates, Bungie had an exact policy that lots of news sites just weren't listening to. They repeatedly stated nothing was certain 'til they made a formal and final announcement, yet despite this, people across the world carried news of fake release dates. That's just uninformedness and rampant(tm) speculation. Gspawn 16:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

text: In the article, it has been changed to probable speculation. However, I feel that any speculation is relevent at this point, and if more reliable information is obtained in the future, this would be removed. Thewonderwaffle 17:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Forerunner" article in April Game Informer 

message: Someone apparently missed the point of the section (at least the way the section is now worded). Cyborgs are humans who happen to also have some sort of unnatural enhancements, especially of the mechanical kind. The world's first (or most) officially recognized cyborg was a man who had a microchip implanted in his head which allowed him to remotely control compatible devices. Master Chief has neural implants that help him manipulate the MJOLNIR armor, and this makes him a cyborg by itself. CYBORGS. ARE. HUMANS. They simply happen to be humans who have some sort of mechanical enancement. Section will be edited closer to its origional context. Cyborgs are not robots. Cyborgs are not automatons. etc etc. They are humans. Gspawn 18:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Human and Cyborg

message: I feel it would be a lot more effective to have the primary image at the top of the article to be the title screen or video-game cover of the original halo game, rather than screenshots from the game play. I also think that a little more information should be given in the introduction, something that might constitue a full paragraph. Never having played the game, I can't contribute much myself. Does anyone have any opinions about either of these things? Satchfan 09:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you make some good points here. The intro should be enriched with more detail rather than a single sentence. As for the pictures I think the front covers are correctly placed next to the paragraphs of their games, however it could be a good idea to find a more representative screenshot to show next to the intro. If I can come up with some proposal I'll post it in my sandbox to hear your opinions. Berserker79 07:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thankyou. A more rep. screenshot would work well, but I really think that an image with the name of the franchise in it would be most suited. Are there any images which aren't already in the article that might work, such as a title screen or promo material? (something like this, but hopefully a little more interesting). These are only suggestions, you should do what you think looks best. Satchfan 10:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I've expanded the introduction for this article, I'd like to hear any comments/suggestions. As for the pictures, the screenshots could be moved down to other parts of the article when we find a more interesting picture to place near the intro. I'd suggest the Halo splash-screen seen while the game is loading or, as an alternative, I seem to remember a wallpaper related to the PC edition on the Bungie website which might work as well.Berserker79 13:04, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I've uploaded the Halo splash screen picture and placed it near the intro. Moved the Chief's screenshot down to the MC related paragraph as well. Berserker79 09:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Very nice. A strong opening like that makes the article look much more appealing. I was thinking that if there was a section for Gameplay that the screenshots might fit there, but there doesn't seem to be one. I suppose it would be difficult to fit it in with what's already posted about the individual games. A big improvement, tho. Satchfan 09:41, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Just going to clean it up a bit... current wording makes it sould like there are a number of drivable vehicles in Marathon. There are, if anyone needs to know, zero. Just small stuff. Gspawn 14:10, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also added juuust a touch of rumor control. Halo 3 is only rumored to be in production, etc. Gspawn 14:17, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images and Introduction

message: I'm not totally sure about the comparison, I was thinking about relations between the SG's and Halo's, and the flood and replicators. and that before people found out about the reason they made the Halo, fans theorised  it might be for transportation... --Hexhunter 19:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: First: Wha? And second: No. There's not enough there to warrant inclusion. gspawn 02:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stargate in 2.6? 

message: The stubs on individual games (Halo, 2, etc) should be spoiler-free, both to keep them brief and because their main pages contain those details in a way that's much better than including parts of them here. Deleting as such, and if necessary, rewording around it. gspawn 14:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler deletion