Talk:Social effects of rock music

message: This article was redirected after AFD and a merge with Rock music was requested. Some or all of this information may be suitable for in this article (Yomanganitalk 17:24, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jungle beat

message: #Description of Noebel's The Marxist Minstrels
#Music; how does it affect you? from Virtue Magazine
#Is Music Really Neutral?
#Jesus -- The Rock That Will Not Roll
#How to become a Christian
#Always Jesus People: An Ongoing Revolution
#Whose Blues Are They?, Metro, Silicon Valley's Weekly Newspaper, December 5, 1996
#Debate Spurs Hearings on Rating Rock Lyrics by Jon Pareles, New York Times, September 18, 1985
I've included the relevant information from this in the Spiritual aspects section.  Pwnage8 00:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: The statement "it is often stated that the lifestyle of rock and roll during the 50s and 60s was far worse then the much more normal lifestyle of modern rock" has not atttribution. Who is it that often states this, and what reasons do they have to support their position?
--Wombattery 20:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: Just letting you all know...
I am researching Rock and Roll for a college essay and so far, this has to be the most trashy article I've read.
I would clean it up but I honestly can't see the purpose of it as an article. To be readable, let alone useful, it would need a massive overhaul.
::If you don't like it, go ahead and fix it up. It would be helpful if you signed your name. Thanks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 13:56, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is a truly dreadful article 

message: As one user has mentioned, this article is dreadful, but this paragraph is particularly terrible for being biased ("and even burned down churches") and just plain wrong (many of the musicians involved do admit to being anti-Christian, but never Satanist). Dethmetal (talk) 01:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "However Varg Vikernes and numerous others in the early Norwegian black metal scene were Satanists..." 

message: I sense a strong christian moral tone in this article. Seriously, it is dreadful. Zazaban (talk) 10:46, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it screams major rewrite, preferably based on some major mainstream sources.--SabreBD (talk) 11:43, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Where do you see strong christian moral tone? Perhaps I missed something but in my opinion it is fair and plainly informative. Critical opinions ("Religious rock") are balanced with positive ones (like "Helping the world"), without taking sides. Personally I don't see anything wrong here. Ammon86 (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  The Sex and Drugs section is particular bad, including phrasings like "The lessons of the excesses of the earlier eras were ignored" and "cleaned up their act". Also, the section attributes rock's 'moving into the social norm' to conversions to christianity. A major rewrite is desperately needed. There is a undertone of moral panic all over the place. Zazaban (talk) 00:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I have started. Zazaban (talk) 23:55, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morally conservative bias. 

message: Wikipedia- John Lennon released the famous hit Imagine, describing a better world in which religion was absent.
The summary of the reference below on Lennon is that Imagine was basically a sugar-coated version of previous songs, "God" and a couple of others that were more strongly atheistic. Lennon needed to sugar coat the message in order for it to be palatable to the public.
http://books.google.com/books?id=0mqPf0hnePsC&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=john+lennon+imagine+god+sugar+coated&source=bl&ots=PMOOJ_Q11q&sig=C0eNEWGb5Ne3jx8Dm3ftMJA8Ttw&hl=en&ei=n7KRTYG0OZGitgez1Z12&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
"You have to put your political message...with a little honey." Lennon
page 52
"God" lyrics
God is a concept, 
By which we can measure, 
Our pain, 
I'll say it again, 
God is a concept, 
By which we can measure, 
Our pain, 
I don't believe in magic, 
I don't believe in I-ching, 
I don't believe in bible, 
I don't believe in tarot, 
I don't believe in Hitler, 
I don't believe in Jesus, 
I don't believe in Kennedy, 
I don't believe in Buddha, 
I don't believe in mantra, 
I don't believe in Gita, 
I don't believe in yoga, ......
I don't believe in Beatles, 
I just believe in me, 
Yoko and me, 
And that's reality. ....
Natural (talk) 10:27, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: John Lennon Imagine, and preceeding song, "God"

message: I do not think it is right to call The Beatles of the early 60s a "rock band" nor to suggest that they played "rock music". They were a pop group. Is pop rock? 
Likewise Gene Vincent. He sang 'rock and roll' and rockabilly.  --Bridge Boy (talk) 18:42, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Beatles 

message: stupid premise to this article... Country has done more brain damage to Americans than rock 73.249.77.147 (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where's the Social effect of Country Music article