Talk:List of baronies in the Peerage of England

message: I currently have checked out from a library vol. IX (1936) of The Complete Peerage. I believe it is widely considered to be the foremost reference on the British Peerage; however, there have obviously been developments since the edition that I have been using.
Concerning the Barony of Musgrave: TCP suggests that it was (at the time of publication) possibly extant de jure but unclaimed. The heir at that time was given as Frederick Millbank(e) Davison-Bland (1854–). A quick internet search turns up almost nothing, though. The most comprehensive information that I could find offhand was at http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=syngeplus&id=DF12 .Ardric47 03:00, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means fill them in as you find them, we can always fix it later. We know this page is incomplete, and that it's full of errors, so we all just keep poking at it as we find problems. Mackensen (talk) 03:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of TCP, and a note on the Barony of Musgrave 

message: This entry: 
Baron Botecourt 	1305 	Somerset 	extant 	Held by the Duke of Beaufort
should read 
Baron Botetourt 	1305 	Somerset 	abeyant the heirs of Lady Blanche Linnie Somerset.
The Baronies of Botetourt and Herbert both became abeyant on the death of the Henry_Somerset,_10th_Duke_of_Beaufort which I'd noted on that article but did not transpose to this page. Interestingly (well if you like this sort of thing) the Queen terminated the abeyance on the Herbert barony but not the Botetourt barony in 2002. However the holder of that title David John Seyfried-Herbert has a 1/2 share in the remaining abeyant title and the rival claimants (the reason I assume both weren't terminated) have only 1/4 shares which aren't normally sufficient to terminate. All things being equal this title will probably eventually be terminated in his favour if he and/or his heirs continue to persue it.Alci12 12:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling/Abeyance 

message: Given the discussion here and the general support for moving the article to a more descriptive and accurate title, would anyone object if I moved the article to List of baronies in the peerages of the British Isles with a redirect from List of baronies?  I'm going to propose this for the other peerage pages, as well. Fishhead64 20:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: A bold proposal

message: In the list, there is the following:
Baron Grey of Rotherfield	1297	Grey	Attainted 1487	 
But at Rayment Leigh's Peerage Page, there is the following:
"GREY DE ROTHERFIELD  	 	 	
						
25 Aug 1338 	B 	1 	Sir John de Grey 	c 1300 	1 Sep 1359Summoned to Parliament as LordGrey de Rotherfield 25 Aug 1338KG 1348
1 Sep 1359 		2 	John Grey 	1320 	4 Jun 1375 	54
4 Jun 1375 		3 	Bartholomew Grey 	1351 	12 Nov 1376 	25
12 Nov 1376 		4 	Robert Grey 		14 Jan 1388to         On his death the peerage became dormant14 Jan 1388"
How could that be? And which information is correct?VM 07:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The fourth Lord Grey had an only daughter, who, by modern law, inherited the Barony, and transmitted it to her heirs. This was not fourteenth-century usage; her heirs had perfectly good baronies of their own, and were summoned under them. So it went  unclaimed = dormant. (In fact, neither the third or fourth "Lord Greys" appear actually to have been summoned either.) Her last heir was Francis Lovell, 1st Viscount Lovell who was attainted after Bosworth and again after Lambert Simnel. Septentrionalis 17:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Grey of/de Rotherfield

message: Found this - not here - should it be? Morwen - Talk 17:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Baron Parr of Horton]]

message: Title            	Date of creation	Created by (monarch) 	Surnames              	Current status                                 	Notes
Baron Percy      	1066            	William the Conqueror	(de) Percy            	created Earl of Northumberland in 1377         	extinct or fallen into abeyance since 1670
Barony of Bedford	?               	William Rufus        	de Beauchamp, de Brent	Merged to Duke of Bedford in 1138, 1366 or 1414	Forfeit after First Barons' War, and soon after on rebellion against Henry III of England by its holder Faukes de Brent
Paganus de Vilars became the 1st Baron of Warrington 1066  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.77.133 (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Baronies in the Peerage of England, 1066-1263

message: Baron Talbot of Richards Castle	1325	Talbot	extinct 1388	??according to Leigh Rayment's Peerage Page not existing??
Here's what I've dug up. A Complete Synopsis of the Peerage of England states that Richard Talbot, who was the brother of Gilbert Talbot, 1st Baron Talbot, married Joan, a daugher and co-heir of Hugh de Mortimer, 1st Baron Mortimer. Mortimer was summoned to parliament in 1299; the title became abeyant in 1304. Richard seems to have inherited the property, but not the title. Mackensen (talk) 16:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talbot of Richards Castle 

message: I have just made century sub-categories to make searches easier. I hope that it was a good idea. VM 19:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sub-categories "Centuries"

message: I removed the alleged "barony of berkshire" from the table. So far as I can tell, it never existed, and the only "source" I can find for it is a rather dubious Google site that appears to be a not-very-elaborate prank.PohranicniStraze (talk) 05:22, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Baron of Berkshire" 

message: The Complete Peerage, P207 says that no documents have been found in respect of the supposed creation of Baron Herbert of Ragland, Chepstow and Gower in 1506. I have therefore deleted 'Baron Herbert of Chepstow, Raglan and Gower' (especially as it purports to have been created in 1461) and 'Baron Herbert of Raglan'. Alekksandr (talk) 19:56, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: What do you think should happen with David Seyfried Herbert, 19th Baron Herbert? Emk9 (talk) 05:09, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: He is covered in the line "|Baron Herbert||1461||Herbert, Somerset, Seyfried||extant||Held by David Seyfried Herbert, 19th Baron Herbert" - I have just wikified him. Alekksandr (talk) 21:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, I thought you had removed all Baron Herbert's from the list, but didn't actually check. Emk9 (talk) 05:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

text: That seems reasonable Emk9 (talk) 00:16, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you - now done.Alekksandr (talk) 20:08, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Herbert baronies

message: This peerage is currently emboldened. However, it is categorised as 'extant or abeyant'. Its article suggests that has been abeyant since 1938. As I understand it, we only embolden those peerages which are definitely extant. I therefore propose to de-embolden it. Thoughts? Alekksandr (talk) 17:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Now done. Alekksandr (talk) 19:22, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Baron Bergavenny