Talk:Almería

message: *Article has almost no citations and therefore chance information is incorrect. --Joe Gazz84user•talk•contribs•Editor Review 03:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment

message: From the political point of view, there is a strong populist desire to achieve the status of an "autonomous region" in Spain, in spite of the great efforts of the Andalusian government to disuade the voters.
It's not a joke. In Almeria there is a strong desire of achieve the status of an 'autonomous region', but we don't have a political party that support this idea.
Un Almeriense (y mucho)
From the political point of view, there is a strong populist desire to achieve the status of an "autonomous region" in Spain, in spite of the great efforts of the Andalusian government to disuade the voters.
It's a joke? 0o (a spaniard).
: Actually, not. But it's like Lionese independentism, irrelevant, at its best; at its worse, a joke (another Spaniard) --80.174.209.122 (talk) 09:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: autonomous region

message: Having lived in Almería for over 35 years the assertion that there is a strong desire of autonomy apart from the Autonomous region of Andalucia and that the Andalusian Government is doing "great efforts to disuade the voters" is completely unfounded. I have no idea where the author of this article got that information. (posted to main article anonymously by User:81.44.20.160; transferred here by User:Ceyockey 23:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disputed: Strong populist desire for autonomy 

message: On my browers (Internet Explorer 6) at 1280 x 1024 the info box is obscuring some of the article's text.  Anyone got any ideas on how to fix this? Greenshed 20:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Info Box Format Problem

message: How about some consistency in the spelling of the place? Is there a stress accent on the "i" or not? Maybe someone can clarify (preferably a native Spanish speaker).Lazzeez (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a Spaniard: yes; in Spanish it's "Almería", but you know, you don't use stress in English... --80.174.209.122 (talk) 09:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

text: Proper names are spelled as they are, if possible. Therefore, this article should stay consistent with its spelling, "Almería." Bluefishe (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Inconsistent Spelling

message: This article is in poor shape, poor spelling, one sentence paragraphs, miniscule lead, looks more like a photo gallery than an article about a provincial capital.  I have placed some tags as it needs copy-editing, adherence to WP:MOS and proper referencing to WP:RS. Jezhotwells (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: Are there drier cities in Europe than Almeria? Maybe some city in the Kazakh desert which somehow qualifies as Europe? Or somewhere deep in the artic circle?Inactive user 20171 (talk) 10:52, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes it was one in Kazakhstan but it's a city exactly split by the Euroasian border, a part of the city is asian and the other part is european so I don't know exactly what to say. Btw, no one here (counting me) managed to found a place in Europe drier than Cabo de Gata, which has even less rain. --Vanished user 4afd12r8rh7r5t6r45tr41k8r54dtr56l0e (talk) 21:03, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: "one of the driest cities"

message: I find a lot of unsourced statements that require a reference. No need to do original research here, but to find a proper source. If the statements are so "self-explanatory", it will be easy to find sources. Until them, requests for references mustn't be removed. Best regards --Discasto (talk) 20:45, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, Discasto, but I agree with Vanished user 4afd12r8rh7r5t6r45tr41k8r54dtr56l0e. Scheridon (talk) 01:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  References in climate section 

message: Where is source for this figures. I don't see it in source? Should be provided or column deleted.Gaditano23 (talk) 18:36, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate Monthly Record high / record low?

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Article makes no mention of the Alboran Island, administratively part of the Almería municipality. Please fix this. Super Ψ Dro 09:09, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alboran Island 

message: Inland areas of the Almería province are believed to have reached temperatures close to 50 °C (122 °F) in summer (dubious). 
Though this sentence is cited, It is called Duboius in a strange manner, Should I tag it?PAper GOL (talk) 15:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible Dubious tag 

message: Should the Climate section include the following statement: 
More recently the city neared freezing temperatures with  recorded on 23 January 2023. 
Weatherextremes (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: • No - IFAPA station is not officially recognized. Adding this can also be controversial, as much people will say that the IFAPA station is not the official weather station on Almeria, but the AP AEMET station is the only one. Also, we don't know if the IFAPA data is reviewd and they undergo adjustments or not. Another reason adding this can be controversial. Farell37 (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: • No - sources, even within the "reliable source for Wikipedia" sub-spectrum, have a gradient of quality and quotability. Stations from more authoritative bodies, which in addition usually display a longer historical record, are preferred, if available. AEMET standarized climate normals and extremes are by far the best set of values you could ask for in this context.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Ambivalent as of now, leaning oppose on count of relevance. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 04:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Even if you want to open a new weather box you should extend the time period for records/extremes. 23 years is not really a long period for having extreme temperatures.PAper GOL (talk) 12:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: When its the only available data for that specific area its better than nothing. The main argument here is that is adds to our knowledge on the city's climate. Why limit the readers to AP data when we have the city data as well? Weatherextremes (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The station is not located on the city and it's actually more closed to the airport than the city  The city center is 5 km away from the actually IFAPA station. The location of the IFAPA station is on La Canãda, close to the airpot official weather station. There's no need to add the weatherbox when apparently you seem to be the only person who wants to add it. See: WP:DUE (If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true, or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article.) This seems to be this case. Farell37 (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:DUE is about viewpoints held by reliable sources, not viewpoints held by editors.  If you want a policy relevant to "apparently you seem to be the only person who wants to add it", then you should be looking at Wikipedia:Consensus. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC on Almeria city climate

message: Please do not respond to other editors in the Survey. You may respond to other editors in the Discussion section. Weatherextremes (talk) 00:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: • No - IFAPA station is not officially recognized. Adding this can also be controversial, as much people will say that the IFAPA station is not the official weather station on Almeria, but the AP AEMET station is the only one. Also, we don't know if the IFAPA data is reviewd and they undergo adjustments or not. Another reason adding this can be controversial. Farell37 (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: • No - sources, even within the "reliable source for Wikipedia" sub-spectrum, have a gradient of quality and quotability. Stations from more authoritative bodies, which in addition usually display a longer historical record, are preferred, if available. AEMET standarized climate normals and extremes are by far the best set of values you could ask for in this context.--Asqueladd (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Ambivalent as of now, leaning oppose on count of relevance. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 04:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

text: Even if you want to open a new weather box you should extend the time period for records/extremes. 23 years is not really a long period for having extreme temperatures.PAper GOL (talk) 12:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: When its the only available data for that specific area its better than nothing. The main argument here is that is adds to our knowledge on the city's climate. Why limit the readers to AP data when we have the city data as well? Weatherextremes (talk) 17:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: The station is not located on the city and it's actually more closed to the airport than the city  The city center is 5 km away from the actually IFAPA station. The location of the IFAPA station is on La Canãda, close to the airpot official weather station. There's no need to add the weatherbox when apparently you seem to be the only person who wants to add it. See: WP:DUE (If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small minority, it does not belong on Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is true, or you can prove it, except perhaps in some ancillary article.) This seems to be this case. Farell37 (talk) 17:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:DUE is about viewpoints held by reliable sources, not viewpoints held by editors.  If you want a policy relevant to "apparently you seem to be the only person who wants to add it", then you should be looking at Wikipedia:Consensus. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Should the Climate section include the IFAPA Almeria station data as shown below?  Weatherextremes (talk) 07:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, just so you know, this isn't actually a "rule".  You can ask people to do this, but at RFCs, the normal, everyday Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines apply, and that means that editors are technically allowed to reply wherever they think is most relevant.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: No, because this is too much information for this particular page. A summary might be appropriate. Qflib (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: No, as this data is not useful at all because The IFAPA station is near the airport and far from the city. This station is far from the city and it's actually located in the same district where the airport is located at, called La Cañada and the station exact location can be found in Google Maps (coordinates from the IFAPA website) and there is even the IFAPA La Cañada (Almería Univeristy) public entity that double checks this station is in fact near the airport one and at good kilometers from the city itself.
* IFAPA official site coordinates: https://www.juntadeandalucia.es/agriculturaypesca/ifapa/riaweb/web/estacion/4/2
* IFAPA official coordinates searched in Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B050'07.3%22N+2%C2%B024'08.7%22W/@36.8520426,-2.3965554,11z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d36.8353611!4d-2.4024167
* IFAPA official organism located exactly near the station, as the station belongs to a field owned by IFAPA. Centro IFAPA La Cañada https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centro+IFAPA+La+Ca%C3%B1ada,+Carr.+Sacramento,+04120+Almer%C3%ADa/@36.8328192,-2.4020848,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0xd7a9c22ab01bbbb:0xab3e018d6e57944f!8m2!3d36.8328192!4d-2.4020848!16s%2Fg%2F11hd1vsx46
So the IFAPA Almería station is CONFIRMED to be near the airport and far from the city. Which makes it irrelevant as within 500 meters we have the official AEMET station with much longer data and it's also much more reliable. That's why in 2005 the IFAPA station registered a HIGHER minimum temp than the Almería Airport station, which broke the previous historical record when it reached 0.1°C and it almost hit the freezing temperature. --WikiEditor1890 (talk) 22:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: RfC on Almeria weatherbox

message: Please do not respond to other editors in the Survey. You may respond to other editors in the Discussion section. Weatherextremes (talk) 07:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, just so you know, this isn't actually a "rule".  You can ask people to do this, but at RFCs, the normal, everyday Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines apply, and that means that editors are technically allowed to reply wherever they think is most relevant.   WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: No, because this is too much information for this particular page. A summary might be appropriate. Qflib (talk) 19:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

text: No, as this data is not useful at all because The IFAPA station is near the airport and far from the city. This station is far from the city and it's actually located in the same district where the airport is located at, called La Cañada and the station exact location can be found in Google Maps (coordinates from the IFAPA website) and there is even the IFAPA La Cañada (Almería Univeristy) public entity that double checks this station is in fact near the airport one and at good kilometers from the city itself.
* IFAPA official site coordinates: https://www.juntadeandalucia.es/agriculturaypesca/ifapa/riaweb/web/estacion/4/2
* IFAPA official coordinates searched in Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/36%C2%B050'07.3%22N+2%C2%B024'08.7%22W/@36.8520426,-2.3965554,11z/data=!4m4!3m3!8m2!3d36.8353611!4d-2.4024167
* IFAPA official organism located exactly near the station, as the station belongs to a field owned by IFAPA. Centro IFAPA La Cañada https://www.google.com/maps/place/Centro+IFAPA+La+Ca%C3%B1ada,+Carr.+Sacramento,+04120+Almer%C3%ADa/@36.8328192,-2.4020848,13z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0xd7a9c22ab01bbbb:0xab3e018d6e57944f!8m2!3d36.8328192!4d-2.4020848!16s%2Fg%2F11hd1vsx46
So the IFAPA Almería station is CONFIRMED to be near the airport and far from the city. Which makes it irrelevant as within 500 meters we have the official AEMET station with much longer data and it's also much more reliable. That's why in 2005 the IFAPA station registered a HIGHER minimum temp than the Almería Airport station, which broke the previous historical record when it reached 0.1°C and it almost hit the freezing temperature. --WikiEditor1890 (talk) 22:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey