Talk:8 mm video format

message: Counldn't it be transfered to DVD using a stand-alone DVD Recorder, and the disc created would then be PC-compatible?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 11:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Transferring 8 mm footage to a computer for editing

message: There were quite a lot "discussion" comments in the article that should never have been placed there. I'd already commented out some, but on reflection they should have gone on this discussion page in the first place. All are taken from the 5 November version last edited by Fourohfour (me!):-
From the end of the 'overview' (this is too detailed for the overview section anyway):-
:(Edit note, new contributor, HI-FI VHS-SVHS will automatically have a redundant back up linear channel, Digital-8 apparently does not, making the audio susceptible to not coming out even if the picture is still viewable. This doesn't happen regularly, but if it does happen, you have for all intents and purposes lost your audio, whereas with VHS or S-VHS, one of either the stereo Hi-FI or linear tracks should work even if there is a recording problem.)
From the middle of 'Digital8':-
:(Edit note by a new contributor, Digital-8 appears to have less drop outs. However, today I encountered a clients Digtial-8 tape, although the picture is quite acceptable, the sound was dropping in and out. The first time I have witnessed this. It's disappointing that neither mini-dv or digital-8 have a linear cue track, "just in case". I don't think we will be able to salvage the audio. S-VHS had both HI-FI audio AND a redundant mono or stereo linear track. Inevitably, one or the other audio track would have recorded even if there was a picture related problem.)
From the end of 'Digital 8' (might be a useful sentence here if it's made more factual and less POV):-
:(edit note by a different contributor, DVD-R camera recording may be a sham because it is not a true editing format. DVD-R is a heavily compressed format and is NOT a wise choice for anyone who may want to edit their footage at a later time.)
From 'Transferring 8mm footage...' (already commented out):-
:(additional info by another contributor) Another option that is considered "horse and buggy" but is actually the best method of all would be to transfer the digital-8 to Betacam Sp.  Once on Betacam SP, the video can then be color corrected and optimized faster than even in the computer.  However this editing method is more costly than doing it yourself on the computer, and therefore a method to use only if money is not an issue.  If money is not an issue, be aware that betacam sp editing suites can be found for as cheap as 50 dollars an hour to as much as several hundred dollars an hour.  For archiving purposes, bumping to Betacam SP is superior to any other method currently on the market, including DVD.
Fourohfour 22:13, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's important to note for those using Hi8 today, that Digital8 camcorders are not capable of accessing Hi8 PCM-audio, only the analog (AFM) audio. PCM-audio, if present, must be converted separately, at additional inconvenience to the user.
Added by Fourohfour 01:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate/debatable "new contributor" POV stuff 

message: I was recently looking at buying some Hi8 tapes for my camcorder when I was struck thinking whether I needed PAL or NTSC tapes as my camcorder is a PAL camcorder. I was alerted to the obvious fact that the color system doesn't come into play when buying video tapes or 8mm tapes because its not the tape that is different just what is recorded. 
Whilst I conceded this point I am still trying to figure out a few things about the tapes.
1) Does buying an NTSC tape to use on my PAL camcorder mean that I will able to record more on it? I used the Kodak Film Calculator and by my calculations buying an NTSC tape that states it is 90 minutes should work out to just under 108 minutes recording in PAL. Would this be right?
2) Is there any difference to the quality of tapes bought in different countries. Or are they all around the same quality? Talking more of Sony Hi8 tapes.
Lummie 05:12, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would expect any given brand of tape to have consistent quality from one country to another. Sorry, can't really help on the time question, although I think you're right about PAL fitting more recording time than NTSC onto the tape, due to the different frame rate. By the way, you don't need those "br" tags to make a space, just leave a blank line and the Wiki software will interpret that as a new paragraph. --LesleyW 06:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

text: I've seen high quality & low quality VHS cassettes, from the same brand, and they're made in different factories, different countries. They sell the low quality ones cheaper, for the cheaper markets. Or maybe, it's just fakes.DaveDodgy (talk) 04:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh ok, I thought there must be an easier way so cheers bro. Lummie 09:40, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusion with PAL & NTSC Hi8 tapes 

message: Who originated the tech and owns the patents on it?  Sony?
:—Hobart 18:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creator / patent licensor? 

message: Aren't the last two methods the exact same thing? --Crnk Mnky 03:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transferring to a computer 

message: I have looked and looked and looked, but I can not find a source to answer that simple question.  Is it 5 megahertz?  Someone should add the answer to the article, if it's available.  -  Theaveng 12:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Luminance Bandwidth for Hi8?

message: Since it is hard to find tapes nowadays, i wondering if i could record on D-8 tapes with my video 8mm camcorder ( pal - standard play )
And I wondering the same thing about Hi-8 cassettes, but i think the answer is yes because you can record on a S-vhs tape with a regular VHS videorecorder. It could be the same.
What do you think about?
If someone has answer could it be added to the article?
-A.S.-  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.179.73.238 (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions?

message: Should an encyclopedic article really conjecture on futures like this?  --tonsofpcs (Talk) 03:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I wondered the same thing. The section sounds more like some individual's view on the future of the technology. The entire section can probably be removed unless someone can cite a source.--Pchov (talk) 21:52, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The future of the 8 mm video formats 

message: All sites cited as references are businesses trying to drive traffic to their site. They are not reliable sources.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.218.163 (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps someone has removed those advertisers, but the article is now totally uncited. 86.150.65.44 (talk) 15:50, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beware of Advertisers 

message: I am by no stretch of the imagination an expert on video, Hi8, or any of the information contained on this page.  However, as a interested consumer of the information, I noted an inconsistency within the page's information.  I don't have the knowledge to say which of the conflicting assertions is correct, but one of them must be incorrect.  I hope that someone with knowledge of this topic may be able to clarify the following.
In the top section of the entry, in the box on the right side that displays an image of a Video8 cassette, under "Capacity," the tape runtimes for PAL-format Video8/Hi8 are listed as follows: "60 minutes (PAL-SP), 90 minutes (PAL-SP), and 135 minutes (PAL-SP)," and the listed tape runtime for NTSC-format Video8/Hi8 is, "180 minutes (NTSC-SP)."  However, in the adjacent "Technical Overview" section, the penultimate sentence of the fourth paragraph states, "Standard recording time is up to 180 minutes for PAL and 120 minutes for NTSC."
Clearly there is some incongruity between the information.  Hopefully someone knows the truth of these matters and can correct the entry because I cannot.
66.7.84.125 (talk) 17:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Informational Inconsistency 

message: Shouldn't DA-88 be mentioned in "Video8 outside the camcorder market" or "See also" section?
After all this system used the 8mm tapes. It should be rather mandatory to mention this fact on the DA-88 page itself.
83.13.239.255 (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tascam DA-88 

message: Article states: "Standard recording time is up to 180 minutes for PAL and 120 minutes for NTSC. (The cassette holds the same length tape; tape consumption is different between PAL and NTSC recorders.)" To my knowledge, it's the other way round, PAL recording and play times are shorter than NTSC. The article seems to mix PAL LP with NTSC SP. AFAIK, the maximum tape lengths available in SP are 90 min for PAL, 120 min for NTSC. Also, I can't find a verification for the 135 min (PAL) claim in the info box. Although I'm quite confident all this is correct, I'm not 100% sure, so I'll refrain from editing the article for now. --91.61.220.193 (talk) 14:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I own some 150 minute 8mm tapes.  (NTSC). I don't think they had Hi8 in this leinth.  But at LP, this could record 5 hours on a tape. Algr (talk) 17:58, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video8 (& Hi8) recording/play time PAL vs NTSC 

message: Hi, might be worth mentioning there are two different types of tape available for Video 8& Hi8. There is Metal-Particle and Metal-Evaporated. Metal-Evaporated is higher quality, but not as robust after repeated playback.
Cheers. 2A00:23C7:C797:FC01:1C3B:98BA:7A91:E4D6 (talk) 06:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video8 and Hi8 Tape types  

message: In a couple of places, this article states that Hi-Fi audio recording was not possible on VHS-C or S-VHS-C camcorders. This is clearly incorrect as there were a huge number of (S-)VHS-C camcorders that supported Hi-Fi Stereo audio recording (at least for PAL; don't know about NTSC). I think this needs fixing or clarifying. 86.139.25.238 (talk) 21:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of Hi-Fi Audio on VHS-C and S-VHS-C Camcorders?