Talk:Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (film)

message: This whole article has all stuff copy/pasted directly from IMDB. Which is well known for not being acurate or having any references for its information. I would like to see if the article could be cleaned up before I erase half of it. Aspensti 21:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted the trivia items taken directly from IMDB. I don't know if it would be legally permissible to use them, and I think it's just bad form either way. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:31, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced 

message: I deleted the soundtrack section as excessive unencyclopedic information. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soundtrack section deleted 

message: I removed this item from the trivia section since it's unimportant, but it's amusing:
Near end of this film, Duke takes too much "andrenichrome" and has a nasty experience. Andrenichrome was a substance that Hunter S. Thompson made up for the book when he originally wrote it, and was kept in the script by Terry Gilliam. The name itself wasn't new - Adrenochrome is an oxidation product of adrenaline, while Adrenochrome semicarbazone, also known as carbazochrome, is used as a medicinal drug to reduce capillary bleeding - however, neither compound is a hallucinogenic drug as portrayed in the book/film. After showing a rough cut of the film to a test audience, Gilliam was approached by a group of young men, one of which complimented him on the film in general, but said that his favorite scene was the andrenichrome scene. He said that he had used the drug and that Gilliam had captured the effects perfectly. Gilliam didn't have the heart to tell the kid that it was made up, and went along with his story.
- Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 06:58, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles. This article is held to the same standard as all other Wikipedia articles. - Zepheus <ゼィフィアス> 18:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  To this end, I've removed the Trivia section and placed it here until someone can integrate it into various sections in the article. --J.D. 21:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of trivia. 

message: :Thompson changed Zeta Acosta's ethnic identity to "Samoan" to deflect suspicion from Zeta Acosta, who was in some trouble with the L.A. Legal Bar, since he was a lawyer, and committing dubious amounts of crime.
I'd have thought any crime at all would be a dubious amount... what is this trying to say? - furrykef (Talk at me) 18:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious amounts of crime 

message: :"Thompson also has a brief cameo in the film while Duke has a flashback to a San Francisco music club, The Matrix, where Thompson can be seen sitting at a table as Depp walks by narrating his inner monologue, "There I was ... Mother of God! There I am! Holy fuck!". This is actually Johnny dressed up as Thompson, the conversation between Depp and Thompson in the film's special edition actors commentary reveals this."
i'm taking that last part out.  it's very dubious since the documentary Breakfast With Hunter shows the filming of this scene with hunter playing the part.  also it really looks like him.
212.139.125.69 01:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  hunter cameo 

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message: I changed  this is a highly fictionalised account of Thompson and attorney Oscar Zeta Acosta's actual trip to Las Vegas around the same time period.
This is contracticed many times through out the article. In one instance, under the Pre production sub heading it says:
Depp remembers, "He saved it all. Not only is [the book] true, but there's more. And it was worse.
Later on under the sub heading Reaction, it says:
Apparently it all came flooding back to him, he was reliving the whole trip! He was yelling out and jumping on his seat like it was a rollercoaster, ducking and diving, shouting 'SHIT! LOOK OUT! GODDAM BATS!' That was fantastic – if he thought we'd captured it, then we must have done it.
Although it is a far fetched story, it is not highly fictionalised and regardless, it can't say it is if there are statements throughout the rest of the article from direct sources that are saying it is real.  Soulnebula 03:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I put this task back in under the comedy project, because it has to be a comedy. it isn't a thriller,an action movie, a drama. It also makes people laugh. Therefore, it has to be a comedy Soulnebula 00:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comedy Status

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message: *User:Xenocidic/Loathing
use  to add this to your userpage  (who's using it?)
Enjoy, xenocidic (talk) 15:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  F&L userbox 

message: In the highway scene at the beginnig, Dr. Gonzo says "Well are you for this? Checking into a hotel under a false name?" That leads me to the thought that Depp actually plays H.S. Thompson, not Raoul Duke. --Стайко (talk) 04:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In real life, Thompson used the Raoul Duke byline so that he would not hurt his chances getting press credentials to follow the election in 1972.--J.D. (talk) 19:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Main character's name

message: The table shows 10.6 mln dollars wich is simply wrong, this movie has since been a huge dvd success.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.166.231.161 (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gross income 

message: Do we really need the information about past attempts to make the film in the lede?  Surely, a place can be found for it in the body of the article. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 14:25, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lede 

message: In the 10-minute "making of" on the Blu-ray, Terry Gilliam says Duke and Dr Gonzo are supposed to be likeable people we sympathize with. What universe is he living in? Hunter S Thompson supposedly said that his extreme drug use was a deliberate attempt to wreck himself, not to expand his consciousness. We're supposed to like or sympathize with such a person? I wouldn't want to be in the same building as the man. It's no surprise he committed suicide.
I mention this, because one of the film's most-important scenes is missing from the synopsis -- perhaps deliberately. It comes near the end, where Duke and Gonzo are eating in a cheap diner. Gonzo treats the waitress (Ellen Barkin) in an extremely abusive, wholly unjustified manner -- and she tells them off. It's the one moment the average viewer can identify with, and if said viewer had any kindly feelings for Duke and Gonzo, they should evaporate at this point.
I'd like to add this scene to the synopsis, but it's difficult to do so without editorializing about the scene, a Wikipedia no-no. Perhaps someone else can properly capture the scene's significance without introducing an obvious POV. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 17:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: missing scene in the synopsis

message: I removed Laraine Newman from the cast list because she's not in the movie. Her name doesn't appear in the credits, and there is no character called frog-eyed woman in the film. I checked different versions of the script and only found one short scene with a frog-eyed woman (in the casino/bar tent next to the Mint-400 race track), but that scene is not in the movie (I checked the US DVD version, the German DVD version, and the Director's Cut from the iTunes Store). --Kernpanik (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Laraine Newman? 

message: re-arrangement of paragraphs. want to streamline this page slightly and move production related material together and release material together to make the page run in a more coherent manner, any thoughts appreciated Fazlar1975 (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  paragraph re-arrangement/streamline  

message: We are a group of film students from Queen Mary University in London and we are going to apply minor changes to the article, as part of a group assignment. We are focusing both on structure and form. We intend to add information on Gonzostyle journalism from reliable JSTOR articles. We are also, removing a section from the reception in which Depp's incident in a hotel is discussed, as the information is irrelevant and inappropriately cited. Our intention is to enhance the page's scholarly value. Any critic of our editing is welcome. Thank you.Olgamantsiou (talk) 15:37, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the note.  I disagree about the Depp hotel incident, but that can be discussed. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:25, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

text: Hello. Do you think we should include the incident and why? Also, I have noticed that you have probably deleted the links in the See Also section; Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas(novel), The Rum Diary. Could you further explain why as The Rum Diary is a film adapted from Thomson's novel again starring moreover, Depp? Thank you. Olgamantsiou (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research Methods student project 

message: Reference to The Rum Diary is relevant since it is a film adapted from another Thompson's novel and moreover, Depp is the protagonist. I have deleted the following information until another user figures out how to incorporate it with transparency into the content and structure of the article:
Robinson later wrote and directed The Rum Diary, based on another of Thompson’s novel, also starring Depp.
Reference:Yamato,Jen(2011-10-28), ‘’Johnny Depp, Bruce Robinson, and Co, Exalt Hunter S. Thompson while talking the Rum Diary’’.Movieline.
Olgamantsiou (talk) 22:35, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: The Rum Diary

message: I have deleted the following paragraph until another user incorporates it in a coherent way into the structure of the article, as well as, improves its coherence. Information was not clearly communicated and probably would confuse the reader.
Animator/ Filmmaker Ralph Bakshi tried to convince a girlfriend of Thomposon's to let him do Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas as an animated film, done in the style of Steadman's illustrations for the book. Bakshi is quoted as saying:
Hunter has given the rights to a girlfriend of his. I spent three days with her trying to talk to her into me animating it-she wanted to make a live-action of it- I kept telling her that a live-action would look like a bad cartoon but an animated version would be a great one. She had a tremendous disdain for animators because it wasn't considered the top of Hollywood. Hunter also could not make her change her mind. So she made the pic with Johnny Depp( who is a great actor), and got the film I told her she would get- in would have been more real in a cartoon using Steadman's drawings.
Reference: Ralph Bakshi (2005-03-24). Your thoughts on the passing of Hunter S. Thompson. Ralph Bakshi forum.
Olgamantsiou (talk) 22:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted paragraph

message: The introduction is brief and punctual but, further information should be added to outline the content of the article. A good introduction should refer to the plot, production, release, and reception of the film. In relation to other A-rated film articles, the introduction is weak and further, fails to meet the criteria/ goal of any kind of article introduction. Olgamantsiou (talk) 22:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: While researching for the film I found interesting statements that I hope another user will be able to incorporate and discuss in this article:
‘’On the surface you can say its some kind of joyride of two guys hammered on drugs..but in fact, it is about a person who wants to find the American Dream, who wants to find if that exists and its about the death of hope’’Depp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wbo1gdA0Yw&t=160s
‘’It has to do with the end of a generation, the end of a very important period and I think they lost. They are going to Vegas and they are quite angry about it, full of loathing and fear.’’ Del Toro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1YhZAr0NZs
-Using voice-over to keep it  specific to the book
-Actor-led, hyper realistic performances but truthful
‘’I am interested in real people in bizarre, twisted environments that force them to act…to react against.’’
‘’ Its not about drug-taking. I am trying to alter people’s perception of reality.’’ 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QOU8wS7jI
Olgamantsiou (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Further research/ Interviews

message: Box Office Mojo says 'adventure, comedy, drama', Allmovie says 'avant-garde / experimental, comedy, absurd comedy, black comedy, buddy film, road movie, & AFI says comedy-drama. I don't know of any other widely-accepted sources for this, though I think 'experimental road film' fits the genre/sub-genre pretty well. Black comedy is rather subjective. Donkey Hot-day (talk) 11:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: We should follow WP:FILMLEAD in determining the genre. Remember that genre classification is subjective, and sometimes it is not possible to pin down the most common genre or sub-genre. We don't have a genre inserted for Fight Club, for example. However, I've thought for such films there could be a "Genre classification" section to show the different ways a film like this one or Fight Club have been labeled. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, I'm aware of WP:FILMLEAD, & it would certainly be tiresome trying to look up all the reliable sources, & determining what most of them say. I agree that this would be better with a Fight Club format where the genres are cleared for the lead, & perhaps elaborated on for sections below it like a new 'Themes' or 'Genre' section. Donkey Hot-day (talk) 11:48, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: As anon. editor, my opinion may not count for much, but I'd vote for having no genre, like the Fight Club example Erik cites.  I think there are five genres listed right now, which is absurd. ---2602:306:37FF:C990:C90C:D678:9621:BA25 (talk) 15:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  What should the genres be? 

message: The there's an unsourced genre overkill in the article ("Avant-garde satirical buddy road black comedy film") 88.28.15.32 (talk) 06:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genre (again)