Talk:People's Army (Poland)

message: AL was a Soviet organization, controlled by Stalin. It's interesting that you haven't mentioned it. I'm going to change the article. If you have any proves, that the AL was independent from Moscow, say it now.
Xx236 09:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: AL was controlled by Soviets all right but it wasn't a Soviet organization. Post-war Polish People's Republic was also largely controlled by Soviets. It didn't make it still a Soviet Republic. Please use terminology appropriately. --Irpen
And you define, what "appropriate" is?
Any Communist party was controlled from Moscow till Tito's revolt. Any member of the PPR was a member of the GL and AL. You may call them Polish branch of something, but never Polish. 
Xx236 09:58, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't define anything. If you show respectected historian's work who call the AL a Soviet organization and PPR a Soivet Republic, we'll return to the subject. --Irpen 07:27, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, it is easy to resolve. Just show anyone respected at any rate who call AL a "Soviet organization" (Soviet running doesn't count as one and the other are not the same) and come back. PPR=Polish People's Republic. The party was called PUWP. Learn your own terminology while looking for sources on AL. --Irpen 18:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The so called "Polska Republika Ludowa" is usaully written as People's Republic of Poland as it was claimed to be "a Polish Republic that belongs to the People", not "a Republic that belongs to Polish People" and "Polska Zjednoczona Partia Robotnia" - "Polish United Workers' Party" was created from the "Polska Partia Robotnicza" - "Polish Workers' Party". You obviously don't have the slightes idea what you are writing about do you? And yet that doesn't seem to prevent you from making fun of a guy who's fammiliar with the topic but doesn't speak English as good as you do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.219.28.146 (talk • contribs).
PPR and PRP are used interchangeably, as you can see from a redirect. I am not making fun of anyone and even less so would I make fun of someone's knowing English less than perfectly. My own English isn't too good, btw. I requested my opponent to simply not call AL the "Soviet organization" if this is not accepted among historians. Being "Soviet controlled" and being "Soviet" is not one and the same terminology-wise. PRP was largely Soviet controlled as well but it was not a Soviet Republic, while Ukrainian SSR or Lithuanian SSR were such. If my comments were interpreted as ridiculing my opponents English, I sincerely appologize. --Irpen 20:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Irpen, perhaps you could check some books before you write something like that. PPR stands for Polska Partia Robotnicza, which was the "Polish" agency of the Soviet commie party. And it was definitely Soviet-controlled, although you're right that it was not entirely Soviet. //Halibutt 20:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I used to live in USSR (was born there and moved to US in '91) Poland was always referred to in both history books and news/etc as friendly country, not a 16th republic (15 republics made up USSR more or less the way USA is made up of 51 states).  I also noticed that while article on AK is quite extensive, the AL article seems to mention it omre or less in passing like AL did not do anything even remotely heroic. --RossZ R 03:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "like AL did not do anything even remotely heroic"
It didn't.
They were four main points of AL activity:
*-Killing Polish resistance members to ensure Soviet occupation.
*-Cooperation with Gestapo against Polish resistance
*-Robberies
*-Supporting occupation of Poland by Soviets
Thus it was just a armed Soviet organisation wanting Poland to be occupied by a regime that engaged in genocide against Polish people in Katyn.
--Molobo 18:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The Polish communists weren't even ethnic Poles. They were Ukrainians and Belarusians (both considered part of the Russian race as opposed to the inferior Polish race). 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:D08B:4A9C:C3CA:D0B1 (talk) 21:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Soviet 

message: It's not true. The biggest left-wing party was PPS.
Xx236 10:01, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  all left-wing Polish anti-Nazi resistance organizations 

message: The quoted text is about the LWP. not AL.
Xx236 11:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:   “The Polish People's Army" 

message: There isn't such article. Was it the 1. Army or something more?
Xx236 13:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Polish Army in the Soviet Union 

message: Is this true and if so, shouldn't be cited? The alternative candidate here would of course be that portion of NSZ which refused to merge with AK. I recall reading some disputes awhile back related to this topic which essentially revolved around the fact that both organizations, AL and NSZ-ZJ, were much stronger on paper than in reality. Also when exactly during the war we're talking about probably matters.radek (talk) 20:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "It was the largest military organization which refused to join the structures of the Polish Underground State." 

message: Neither the free dictionary nor the Great Soviet Encyclopedia are considered reliable sources on English (or pretty much any other) Wikipedia.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:43, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not a reliable source 

message: The user Piotrus is turning the article into a mouthpiece for Polish government's propaganda outfit called the "Institue of National Remembrance", which has been heavily criticised such as here. Polish Government's surrogates' slurs against its opponents are not very interesting, and such material cannot be added without clear attribution.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.96.6.245 (talk) 00:14, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Please stop trolling the article. You may find more welcome at the http://communistwiki.wikispaces.com/ . --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 13:31, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest Edits 

message: Confirming for WP:POLAND. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: B-class review

message: "set up by the communist Polish Workers' Party" - many decisions were taken in Moscow. Warsaw decided only when it lost contact with Moscow. AL was set up and controlled by the Soviet Union.Xx236 (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: The Polish communists weren't even ethnic Poles. They were Ukrainians and Belarusians (both considered part of the Russian race as opposed to the inferior Polish race). 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:D08B:4A9C:C3CA:D0B1 (talk) 21:32, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Partial truth 

message: The propaganda imposed the myth and the political police persecuted former AK soldiers and historians, it's not exactly espoused.Xx236 (talk) 05:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  propaganda in communist Poland ''espoused'' 

message: The page was vandalised in 2014 and contains still hostile wording, eg. fled to London. The government was formed from scratch in France and later moved to London. The pre-war politicans were imprisoned in Romania. The president fled to Swizerland and resigned. Xx236 (talk) 06:06, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  2014 biased edits 

message: Xx236 (talk) 07:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please correct reference 11 

message: It was reorganized from Gwardia Ludowa, perhaps only renamed, compare later in the text "However, GL/AL exploits". The Armia Ludowa included PPR members, many of whom weren't soldiers, so the numbers are inflated.Xx236 (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  " It was created by order"