Talk:Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s

message: I'm not really too satisfied with the current link announcing the release date.  I'm not going to delete it for the time being, but I do have some issues with it.  The link says that "Activision has announced" this game and release date, but I can't find such an announcement anywhere on Activision's site.  Furthermore, I can't find similar news items anywhere else, which seems really strange to me, especially since Orange Lounge Radio posted this news item yesterday.  I guess I'm just saying that if I don't hear something a little more official in the next few days, I'm probably going to delete any info regarding the release date.  If something does pop up, a better source should be used. - Chickencha 23:51, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, it's been about a month since that Orange Lounge Radio news item said that this game was going to be released June 1.  We still haven't seen any official announcement from Activision or any reports from more well known news sources.  In fact, I haven't been able to find any other sources that say anything about this at all that don't link back to the Orange Lounge Radio item.  If this source can be defended in any way, I'd like to know. Chickencha 06:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to look around, but you're right, all roads lead back to OLR (though i note this was updated from their first January date).  However, there's this Amazon.Ca item  that sticks it on June 30, 07.  However, I wouldn't go sourcing that just yet; Amazon.us doens't have a listing as well as other major gaming stores --Masem 06:30, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Release Date?

message: Do we really need to have a citation stating who the song was originally by? If people want to know that, they can just browsethe article.Demoman87 19:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Given how many times that we've had to revert changes to the GHII page because of one true cover song, this information is needed here so.  That is, there will be editors that see the song name and immediately think that the wrong artist has been credited and will make the change.  Adding the citation helps to let them understand that it's the cover and not the original song that's in play here. --Masem 19:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Lots of hair metal. :P The Kids Aren't Alright 15:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm guessing more than a few songs will be listed here . They've already borrowed a few for GH1 and GH2. Daggoth S 11:59, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Some new wave music too. Demoman87 19:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've added a cite that should cover it.  There's proof of the game at  (the link I used) and .  Hopefully that clears things up.  If not, let me know. -Chickencha 20:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It's real.  I have the issue.  It can be found on page 50 under "Still Kickin'." - Chickencha 00:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just keep doing that for any song or band that goes up there without a citation.  I'm sure we'll hear of other bands/songs in the next couple of weeks as the release date gets closer, but anything else is speculation and should be deleted. --Masem 15:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Will do :) Demoman87 19:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text:  Ok. It looks as if someone added a citation. I fixed it up a little. Demoman87 02:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Possible Songs

message: i added songs that were released today onto The page. the source for it is on http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/3065
i did a bad job making it look good so if you can help make it look bet that would be appreciated Uknowwhatisup1 15:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added Songs 

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message: The Activision press release says "Mental Health" will be in the game, but a recent 1UP.com preview mentions "Bang Your Head" instead. I'm guessing "Bang Your Head" will be the song used because it's more recent, but I guess it could have somehow been a mistake as well. I'm leaving the mention of both in the article right now.Pele Merengue 03:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The gameplay video shows it to be "Metal Health (Bang Your Head)."  Rdfox 76 03:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, wow. I had no idea they were the same song. I just saw the different titles. Pele Merengue 20:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem; it can be confusing if you didn't grow up listening to the stuff.  (By all rights, I should have, but I didn't--long story involving a controlling father.)  Rdfox 76 23:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bang Your Head is just the chorus of the song (Bang your head/Metal health'll drive you mad). The name's actually Metal Health. 200.231.177.20 20:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Quiet Riot

message: Any reason why Krokus is listed as the band for writing Ballroom Blitz and not Sweet? Is it because Sweet did it in the 70s?
:Most likely; the information from Activation says Krokus for this song which they did in 80-something, so it would fall into this category. --Masem 03:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The song that is in the game is a cover of Krokus's cover of Sweet's version of Ballroom Blitz.  This is a similar situation to the White Lion cover of Radar Love. Skrutop 14:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Krokus? 

message: I updated the setlist based on snackbar-games.com's preview from last week.  I was going to put "We Got The Beat" where there's an empty space in Amp Warmers, because it's an unbelievably easy song, but I couldn't be sure.  Also, the same article references "Balls To The Wall" as a master track.  They have the preview copy in hand, so I'm going to assume that they're accurate.  I'm not sure if "unannounced song" is the best thing to put in.  If someone has a better idea, go for it. Skrutop 21:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Updated Setlist

message: I'm requesting semi protection on this page for a month; the amount of vandalism on the setlist pages is getting out of hand.
Also, for those saying that this can't be the set list because they feel a song is in the wrong difficulty bracket:  I won't argue that some songs may seem out of place.  However, using information from what appear to be two reputable sources, we have something to start from, but only until the game is in our hands can we confirm it.  The current language used to say that this is the present setlist is fine; it is not necessary to call out that this is unlikely the final set list, as that is throwing a bias into the article.  So don't get me wrong, I understand that songs may seem misplaced, but to call the set list order out on that right now is a POV/bias that we cannot include. --Masem 20:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semiprot / "this can't be the set list!" 

message: Is it really the encore, I don't See any proof. 
74.225.214.195 21:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's listed as the last song in the snackbar-games preview.  --Masem 21:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I've played through the game.  The song list on the page is correct ("Ballroom Blitz" is a 4th tier, non-encore song).  If the snackbar-games list is wrong, I've confirmed the list against the Sept 2007 "PSM" magazine review (by Tom Holoein, pgs 72-73). --Masem 05:09, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ballroom Blitz- Last Song?  

message: According to Bret Michaels interview, not only will Nothing but a Good Time be on GH's but so will Talk Dirty to Me. http://www.greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070620/LIFESTYLE/70620007
:Actually, the author of the article said both songs would be in there.  Given how clueless mainstream reporters are, I'd doubt that this person knows what he's talking about. Skrutop 14:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed .. and given that there's been no duplicate artist within any previous Harmonix game besides just Guitar Hero, I wouldn't think that Poison would get two songs for a rather popular era where there's many other worthy bands yet unrepresented. --Masem 15:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Guitar Hero 1 had songs by Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne, which is sort of a duplicate artist... Thunderbunny 07:31, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sure that Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler, Bill Ward, Randy Rhoads, Rudy Sarzo, Tommy Aldridge, and Don Airey would dispute that.  Yes, Ozzy was the principal creative force behind Sabbath, but saying that Sabbath and his touring band would qualify as duplicate artists is just nuts.  For example, no disrespect meant to Iommi, who's an awesome guitarist, but he's not even worthy to carry Rhoads's jockstrap.  (Again, no disrespect intended, it's just that Rhoads was so great that I'd say you could probably count the number of guitarists of his caliber in all of history on one hand.)  Rdfox 76 12:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk Dirty to Me- 2nd Poison Song?  

message: This was up on a UK retail site, but I'm not sure it's concrete enough to include in the game's page:
http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation2/4-/3361827/Guitar-Hero-II-Rocks-The-80s/Product.html
:Los Angeles by X
:Police Truck by Dead Kennedys
:Electric Eye by Judas Priest
Skrutop 15:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: nevermind, snackbar-games confirmed it Skrutop 15:35, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: July 28: 3 more confirmed songs

message: IGN posted an official announcement of the last tracks that we've known about for awhile.  Added to the mix is "Because, It's Midnite" by Limozeen (it's a fake 80s band brought to you by the folks from homestarrrunner.com; the same ones that gave us "Trogdor").
The "final" makes me wonder if they're not going to replace "I Want Candy" with anything else, but just integrate the Limozeen song into the setlist.Skrutop 20:51, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's only supposed to be 30 songs, with no unlockables, and because HSR guys own their material, it's probably much easier (and appropriate? ) to work with them.  I assume it's a 1st set one, so... --Masem 20:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Should "Because, It's Midnite" be placed in that first tier for now, when there is no source saying it's the replacement for "I Want Candy"? 69.224.68.45 22:49, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Last Song Revealed

message: http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/guitar-hero-ii-rocks-the-80s/800409p1.html 69.224.68.45 22:53, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Uhhh I screwed up? Fixed. --Masem 00:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Setlist Revealed

message: Just because Gamespy says the song title is "Ain't Nothin' But a Good Time", that makes it the official title? Gamespot shows it as "Nothin' but a Good Time" like I had it, and as it's shown on their "20 Years of Poison" CD. The BAND is the authority on their song titles, not some game site. Sensei Le Roof 02:28, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that it should likely be without the "ain't" but the best information we have now on the songs is with the "ain't".  If when the game is out and the "ain't" isn't there, it can be removed, but until then, it's a verifiable title. --Masem 02:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it does turn out "ain't" is included in the title, we should put it the correct way and mark it with a note saying "Incorrectly referred to in the game as Ain't Nothin' But A Good Time", just like they did on the Guitar Hero page with Judas Priest's "You've Got Another Thing Comin'", which is displayed in the game as "You Got Another Thing Comin'". Moviemaniacx 19:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, that would be expected if the game uses a form of the title that is unexpected, just how we've noted that some of the covers in the game are covers of the original songs. --Masem 20:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding my undone edit 

message: Given that the only apparent change on the cover is the change of rating, I don't think this qualifies as a need to have this cover present.  This is contrast to the case for Guitar Hero II where there is a big change between the PS2 and 360 version (characters, etc.).  --Masem 00:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU cover 

message: While White Lion has the credited cover on the game itself, I think Golden Earring deserves some kind of credit here for actually being the one to make the song famous, especially because the original is the most commonly still played version on the radio and elsewhere. Maybe some mention of the original artists of any of the songs that have cover artists listed would be informative.
* Golden Earring is credited at the bottom of the page as the original artist, along with Sweet being credited as the original artist of "Ballroom Blitz". It should also be noted that the same thing is present in the first Guitar Hero. "Higher Ground", originally done by Stevie Wonder, was credited (correctly) as being performed by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, along with a similar note at the bottom citing Wonder as the original artist. If an artist did not perform the song featured in the actual game, I think a mention at the bottom of the page is enough. Moviemaniacx 17:49, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radar Love's artist 

message: We were informed that the release date was the 24th, and just got a call today saying it should be available as expected and within the week if not tomorrow. We'll be heading out early tomorrow morning to pick it up, I'll update as necessary :).
67.142.130.21 03:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Release Date 

message: About to play it now. I'll keep everyone posted.
67.142.130.12 15:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  It was released. 

message: Now that the game's out and the information on the page is relatively stable, I think we can get this cleaned up and readied for a GA.  However, there's three major things we need for that:
#We need a shot that demonstrates the '80s' makeover to the game.  I'm thinking any shot involving Pandora will likely be best, but if you can locate a better one, we'll use that.
#The History section needs a mention how this game was likely one to satisfy the "genre specific" versions of the game.  I know it was in one of the other GH articles at some point.
#Proper reference citations.
I think everything else is fine for a GA (with the question about leaving the soundtrack here or moving to another page -- I'm going to also ask about this at the WP:CVG general discussion), so this should be a no-brainer. --Masem 16:23, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Going to GA 

message: I don't think it is enough for it's own section but I think it should be worth mentioning in the article that the School arena has an error in it.  There's a banner on one wall to the right of the stage (facing it) that lists championship years (or something to that idea) and the most recent year it shows on it is 1992 which is clearly not part of the 80s.
--TopherRocks 15:59, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Game Errors 

message: Some considerations, some obligations:
* songs list- if you can find a good source or two for those, you could prolly put them in the article without having to spin off to another list like GH II. At least summarize them- bands, who covered them, etc.
* Reception: If you quote the scores and reference all the publications in the main body, why do you need the table? The only non-duplicate info is the aggregate, so keep that, I guess. Rm'd scores in the prose but left the comments of reviewers
* Lead: read through WP:LEAD if you haven't already; the lead is a tad too short. Since it's supposed to give a brief intro the the entire article, put in stuff about how it was received, how its mechanics weren't that different from Guitar Hero, etc. Done
PM me when you're done, and I'll come back and run through it, as well as check spelling, prose. David Fuchs (talk) 18:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changes corrected, reviewer will be notified briefly. --Masem 19:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Righto, then, I'll pass the sucker! Good luck on future improvements- it seems expansions often have a harder time at FAC than the full games. David Fuchs (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: GA on hold

message: I proposed we merge List of songs in Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s to this page. Even though all the other GHs have their own Songs page, this one only had 30 tracks. If we don't merge, we should at least put the songs here. Thoughts? J-stan TalkContribs 15:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes for merge. Lord GS-41 04:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Keep. The list was broken out for consistency between the GH articles, and is also appropriate for any game's soundtrack if of significant size.  --Masem 04:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  The problem is, it isn't really significant in size. J-ſtanTalkContribs 01:28, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Size is not always the sole determination, there's summary style determinations should an article be split.  With the list in place, the main article would be more difficult to read. --Masem 02:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge. The article for Guitar Hero II is huge, so it made sense to break off the giant songlist into its own article just to avoid clutter. The songlist for the Guitar Hero was fairly big, and the article about the game could be expanded upon. In the case of Rocks the 80s, all that can be said about the title could be said in a single article. There aren't many songs, there isn't much to say about the game. It is my understanding that soundtrack list articles are generally discouraged on Wikipedia (much as television series soundtrack lists are). While I would argue that the lists for GHI and GHII deserve pages, I can't say the same for GH:80s. On the topic of consistency, simply link to Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s#Soundtrack in the footer template. That's consistent enough. Pele Merengue 00:04, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Keep. I agree with Masem, the article should be kept for the sake of consistency.  It's not hurting anything.  Moviemaniacx 00:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge. 69.247.25.24 23:41, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Merge. If the concern is size, I believe we should keep in mind that there are some encyclopedia articles that are quite large.  I think Wikipedia tends to err on the side of splitting too much.  When you look at an article on an encyclopedia, you want to get all the information possible.  I see no reason why Rocks the 80s, or any GH tracklist, should be separated. JeffHCross 05:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge 

message: Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article?  Please see discussion here. --MASEM 20:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The main article and its talk page no longer exists. The result was to keep the song lists separate and delete List of songs in Guitar Hero games (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs in Guitar Hero games). Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 06:28, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should song lists be merged to single article? 

message: Why is this word so damned overused today, especially in Wikipedia? Was the lawsuit mentioned in this section really that controversial? Probably not. 174.1.156.204 (talk) 06:43, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: By definition, controversy suggests an issue upon which reasonable people can come up with at least two different positions.  Don't see how that applies here.  The judge issued a summary judgement dismissing the Romantics' case, based on the fact that 1, they properly acquired a license to cover the song for the game, and 2, The Romantics no longer owned the copyright to the song anyway.  Where's the controversy?  Almost nobody though the suit had any merit, except for the band I suppose.  I'm going to change the heading to Lawsuit as I don't see what's so controversial here.  Someone can revert it if they disagree I suppose but I think this has decent justification.  67.177.228.64 (talk) 04:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Use of word Controversy?

message: Hey folks, the link to Orange Lounge Radio as a cited source is bunk (and attributed as such), I know, but I was wondering if someone could tell me Wikipedia's stance on using the Internet Archive? The original content is available at https://web.archive.org/web/20081221233007/http://www.orangeloungeradio.com/phpnuke/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=719, but I don't know if I should just update the reference to use that, or if WP prefers something more "official".
Full Disclosure: I am the webmaster for Orange Lounge Radio and am involved in the show's production, I'm considering resurrecting / making static pages for pages referenced like this one, but I'm curious if I should just rely on iA instead. VxJasonxV (talk) 05:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The Wayback Machine/Internet Archive is perfectly acceptable for archival links. In case, all that needs to be done is add in, to the existing citation template "archiveurl = " and "archivedate = " entries for the archive URL and the date you accessed that archived page from the archive. I believe we assume the Archive will always be there so that you probably don't have to worry about recreating said content in a static form. --MASEM (t) 05:52, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cached Cited Source 

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