Talk:Shaukat Aziz

message: Khalidkhoso 22:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

message: I am so sorry to say that some users use wikipedia as the 'propoganda tool', insert their personal views and distort the facts. What so ever your views or comments are, insert them in the blogging sasdklfla;skdjf a;ldskfj a;ldskjf ;laskdjf ;laskdjf ;laskdj f;laskdjf ;ladskjf ite or on the discussion page of that article. I have deleted the 'financial scandals' portion of this article, which seems to be written in hostility of the former PM. Criticism is highly appreciable, but which is written with neutrality, and is free from any political view. I can write so many things against Nawaz Sharif and Zardari, but I won't do that, because this is an encyclopedia site, not a blog site. This article needs to be developed more and include more topics, such as successes and failures of the government of Shaukat Aziz, etc.
Dont bother to reinsert that portion, I will delete it again.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutonics (talk • contribs) 01:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Do no use Wikipedia as Proganda Tool

message: On 27 May 2005, an edit by  added the following:
:"The elections were extremely controversial. The independent and locally respected Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP) reported widespread ballot rigging and incidences of blatant mass stamping of ballots. HRCP also confirmed that opposition party members were harassed and detained by the local police. In the end Mr. Aziz received a record vote count, which in the circumstances was hardly surprising."
This was non-NPOV and the lack of context might lead the uninformed reader to form a negative opinion of Mr. Aziz. Let's look at the facts. 
* Mr. Aziz ran simultaneously from two districts, Attock and Tharparkar. He did not personally manage his election campaigns, which were run by the political machines of PML-Q and its allies. Attock and Tharparkar were considered "safe" bets because: (1) Attock is pro-Army, pro-goverment, and pro-Musharraf and (2) Tharparkar is the stronghold of Sindh Chief Minister Dr. Ghulam Arbab Rahim, who backed Shaukat Aziz. Nobody seriously expected Aziz to lose. There was no need to rig the elections.
* The government invited foreign observers to the election to make sure that they were free, fair, and transparent. 
* In Attock, Aziz obtained 76,156 votes vs. 29,497 for Sikandar Hayat of the Pakistan Peoples Party.
* In Tharparkar, there was a more lopsided result: Aziz got 153,485 votes vs. 10,732 for Mahesh Mallani of the PPP. Aziz also got 1280 postal votes.
* Since he could only hold one of the seats, Aziz decided to give up his Tharparkar seat and retain his Attock seat.
* While campaigning in Attock, Aziz's car was attacked by a suicide bomber. Nine people were killed, including the driver. Aziz, who was in the back seat, fortunately survived.
* Although he may have received a sympathy boost as a result of the attack, his victory in Attock was relatively uncontroversial.
* Asma Jehangir, the (controversial, IMHO) chairperson of the HRCP, wrote a letter to Dawn (http://www.dawn.com/2004/08/21/op.htm#4) in which she described irregularities in the Tharparkar election. Even in this highly critical letter, Ms. Jehangir acknowledges that there was "expectation of fair play on the day of the ballot since Mr Aziz's election was a foregone conclusion and there was no need for any fixing."
* However, even critics of the government, such as Hans B. Bremer, found Ms. Jehangir's accusations hard to believe. 
* Other observers also said that there was no rigging: "Polling agents of the contesting candidates posted inside the polling booths have so far made no serious complaints of any kind of rigging" 
In any case, since Mr. Aziz vacated the Tharparkar seat and retained only his Attock seat, the legitimacy of his seat and his membership of the National Assembly is well-established. It's common in Pakistan for those who lose elections to cry foul, so almost any election could be labelled "controversial" but such a label unfairly besmirches the good name of this honest candidate. Even in the "controversial" Tharparkar election, Mr. Aziz's opponents agree that his election was a "foregone conclusion", because of Dr. Ghulam Arbab Rahim's endorsement of Aziz. 68.20.179.133 00:39, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: NA seat elections

message: According to this article, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz is a son of Mr Aziz Ahmed, a former minister and a senior bureaucrat. 
I see a problem with this statement. It appears that his father was not a minister in Pakistan. But, the other part of the statement that his father was a senior bureaucrat - some say a former diplomat - seems to be correct and valid as this is widely reported in media. 
Could somebody verify this and make the correction?
Incorrect: Shaukat Aziz's father was Aziz Ahmed a government servant but not to be confused with Aziz Ahmed, who was the former Foreign Minister of Pakistan and diplomat (Ambassador to United States) and mentioned elsewhere in Wikipedia.
Shaukat Aziz's father was a BPS-17 government employee, never held any high rank, nor was he ever a diplomat.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.3.5.15 (talk) 05:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shaukat Aziz son of former minister? 

message: I have removed the section titled babbling fool, as this is not encyclopaedic, it is a very POV title, whether or not you think Shaukat Aziz is or is not a fool, please do not use it as the title of a section, please note there is already a criticism section, feel free to add details here as long as they are properly cited and balanced.
Regards
Pahari Sahib  @20:53, 31 August 2007 (GMT)
:I fully agree with the removal of this section, Pahari Sahib. But for the record, concerning "I checked the link and found that the free press of pakistan has been ordered to take out the link from the dawn page" by 208.5.87.107, the article is back on line: When Aziz was ‘stared down’ by Rice By Qudssia Akhlaque . And as it might not stay there for long, here is the passage considering Shaukat Aziz: 
::ISLAMABAD, May 20: Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz has been mentioned in rather uncharitable terms in US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s biography according to which when he tried to charm Dr Rice on her first trip to Pakistan in 2005, she “stared him down”. The book titled: `Twice as Good: Condoleezza Rice and Her Path to Power’ by Newsweek Chief of Correspondents and Senior Editor Marcus Mabry has been recently launched in the United States. Although the biography has been written by an independent journalist, the adjectives used for an incumbent prime minister appear to be unprecedented in their harshness.
::Referring to Ms Rice’s first trip to South Asia in March 2005 during which she also visited Pakistan, the author writes: “Yet, when Rice sat down with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who fancied himself a ladies’ man, Aziz puffed himself up and held forth in what he obviously thought was his seductive baritone. (He bragged – to Western diplomats, no less – that he could conquer any woman in two minutes.)
::“(He tried) this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm: `Pakistan is a country of rich traditions,’ staring in (Rice’s) eyes,” a participant at the meeting recalled.
::“There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down. By the end of the meeting, he was babbling.”
::“The Pakistanis were shifting uncomfortably. And his voice visibly changed.” Some of the foreign men, the American official said, “They don’t get it …She has a really strong will, and I think people sometimes ‘misunderestimate’ her.”
:Again, I am not asking for the return of "The Babbling Fool" section. Not even for the quotation of the Dawn article in another form ("Trivia", for instance) in the entry. Mr. Shaukat Aziz has been doing far worse things since November 3, 2007 than clumsily trying to chat up Ms Rice. Just for the record, in case the evidence really gets suppressed by censorship. 
:regards
: --Calmansi 21:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Babbling Fool Section

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message: There's currently a disturbance at the current Canadian prime minister's article, Stephen Harper, regarding the inclusion of the head of state in the article's infobox, and, following that, on all previous Canadian prime ministers' articles; currently the Canadian series is the only one, as far as I can tell, where the relevant head of state is not listed in the infobox.
As this article, and all those for previous Pakistani prime ministers, list the head of state in the infobox, I'm wondering how the decision to do so was reached, and if this practice should or should not be the same for all PMs' articles. It seems odd to me that one series of PM articles would be different to all the rest.
Opinions are welcome; needed actually. The discussion is taking place at Talk:Stephen Harper#Infobox -- include GG and monarch?. --G2bambino 15:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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message: *It is not mentioned that through all the years of his rule the inflation rate remained greater than the growth rate of income. This makes the real income fall in face of rising nominal income. Statistics need to give a NPOV. 
*Also his alleged involvement in steel mill scandal is not mentioned.
*The article is written in overwhelmingly favorable tone. Praises from all sources have been quoted but not the criticisms. Some  edits here and there are direly needed to sort that out. Alan Greenspan is an appropriate, but not a good benchmark article. 
*Please DO NOT remove this NPOV tag without discussing it out.  Hamza   [ talk ] 10:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
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