Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Liancourt Rocks/Evidence

message: You guys think just b/c I can't reply back you can get away with these attacks, but no, I'll answer them here.
===Watermint===
*JPOV already views that their end goal is far too left or right for them to accomplish anything with - therefore JPOV does aim @ Liancourt Rocks (read my post @ talk page about the negative assertion). As long as JPOV gets the island to be called "Liancourt Rocks" rather than "Dokdo", they've got the fact that the island is disputed - which is as far as they need to go. 
*KPOV vs all other editors? Wrong, I can specifiy exactly which editors are JPOV & I'm not targeting ppl outside of that boundary. However, I'm reserving rights to accuse/consider sock puppets in the equation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimachine (talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Response on your user page. Phonemonkey 21:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Response to some ridiculous claims

message: *JPOV already views that their end goal is far too left or right for them to accomplish anything with - therefore JPOV does aim @ Liancourt Rocks (read my post @ talk page about the negative assertion). As long as JPOV gets the island to be called "Liancourt Rocks" rather than "Dokdo", they've got the fact that the island is disputed - which is as far as they need to go. 
*KPOV vs all other editors? Wrong, I can specifiy exactly which editors are JPOV & I'm not targeting ppl outside of that boundary. However, I'm reserving rights to accuse/consider sock puppets in the equation.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimachine (talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Watermint

message: *It's very easy for you to turn this around & say I think that Wiki is a team sport, I do believe that there are truly impartial editors @ Liancourt Rocks (I divided groups into KPOV, JPOV, and NPOV above)
*So you guys do "feign consensus". I can't make accusation on that? I've had about 2 years to make assumptions & I've made enough of them. You haven't been around for long so you don't know anything that's or has been going on.
*This had a very good point: why try to fight over those smallest details, get over it. You didn't present rest of my message - you guys are so JPOV & sensitive that you've got to call an orange reddish orange as orangish red (assuming that you were red POV). Now, this is not a big deal, but I can't give in b/c my conscience tells me that it's simply wrong.
*Thannks for your kind conclusion. Sry, "you guys" is for the several few & may not include you. 
(Wikimachine 13:05, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Response on your user page. Phonemonkey 21:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Phonemonkey

message: If you haven't noticed, I never used any personal attacks & took in all these insults until basically I got further into the discussion (15 replies later) when my patience ran out, even then it was a very legit attack & not aimed directly at him but said to someone else (w/o violating good faith).
(All of these are his PA's that he made before I made a single one)
*however Im sure some pro-Korean/anti-Japanese racist will revert my edits (he made the 1st "racist" attack in the entire discussion/thread)
*wikimachine you seem very biased and your comments make no sense.
*You are the biased editor
*If you have pride in your nation, thats really nice, but perhaps you should show your pride in a myspace page or something similar.
What these indicate is that he himself is POV so within his framework of thinking he assumes that I have to be POV too. That is the inevitable result of his bias.
====My "PA"s====
*Look, all this problem came about b/c someone wanted to call him a murderer. I think it's best to leave it under my version. - This is my first comment attempting to show the ridiculous situation that all of us were in. And this wasn't even a personal attack.
*this POV guy just wanted to make him a criminal & that's where it all began - this is 2nd, & it was a POV attack, basically (equivalent of some of his "pa"s listed above)
*Again, his independence activism was a big part of his life - why shouldn't it be in the intro? Just to satisfy your Japanese nationalism? Hell no this was probably the 1st incivil comment, but, again, this was when Komdori revealed his true identity -he'd been faking that he was a Korean.
:*Do you seriously think that I will return what I'd consider vandalism & a racist attack with the French burgeois tongue currently popular in our Wiki? No sorry.
*It's just like trying to describe George Washington as the 1st US President & the commander in chief during the American Revolution - except some racist dude comes out & says "from now on we're going to call him a rebel against the British Empire" And when I protest "No, he was the commander in chief..." And then the racist dude replies "Fine, then we'll call him a murderer. It's your choice." It never had to be this choice. Just as George Washington is what he is known as today, An Jung-geun is what he was - an independence activist & I don't want you guys making wrong compromises and stuffs just b/c of this racist dude - you guys simply don't know about Korean history enough to make the right decisions based purely on neutrality (which was completely misused, to begin with, coming with lame compromises) This was the 1st time I used the term "racist dude" (which Sennen complained about).
(Wikimachine 18:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some of his "Personal attacks"

message: *Look, all this problem came about b/c someone wanted to call him a murderer. I think it's best to leave it under my version. - This is my first comment attempting to show the ridiculous situation that all of us were in. And this wasn't even a personal attack.
*this POV guy just wanted to make him a criminal & that's where it all began - this is 2nd, & it was a POV attack, basically (equivalent of some of his "pa"s listed above)
*Again, his independence activism was a big part of his life - why shouldn't it be in the intro? Just to satisfy your Japanese nationalism? Hell no this was probably the 1st incivil comment, but, again, this was when Komdori revealed his true identity -he'd been faking that he was a Korean.
:*Do you seriously think that I will return what I'd consider vandalism & a racist attack with the French burgeois tongue currently popular in our Wiki? No sorry.
*It's just like trying to describe George Washington as the 1st US President & the commander in chief during the American Revolution - except some racist dude comes out & says "from now on we're going to call him a rebel against the British Empire" And when I protest "No, he was the commander in chief..." And then the racist dude replies "Fine, then we'll call him a murderer. It's your choice." It never had to be this choice. Just as George Washington is what he is known as today, An Jung-geun is what he was - an independence activist & I don't want you guys making wrong compromises and stuffs just b/c of this racist dude - you guys simply don't know about Korean history enough to make the right decisions based purely on neutrality (which was completely misused, to begin with, coming with lame compromises) This was the 1st time I used the term "racist dude" (which Sennen complained about).
(Wikimachine 18:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: My "PA"s

message: Some of your data are legit, but that was when I didn't understand Wikipedia's policies at all & I just got out of middle school. 
*I didn't know about WP:CANVASS. If I did I wouldn't have done that, and also the "other side" was canvassing as well - the younger ones always learn from the older ones.
*I didn't initially think that Wikipedia had to be a team sports (as you can see my user name "Wikimachine" signals good intention) but in disputes I witnessed sock puppets, canvassing, etc., so I thought that my canvassing, relatively, would be ok. 
*The nationalistic comments to Komdori, I really didn't mean to say all of them except that I was testing if he was really Korean.
*However, let me note, some of those "canvassing" were copy-pastes, I think. I'm surprised that I asked for user:Masterhatch's opinion on this. 
*Don't list some of my "proposals" in the talk page with "canvassing", you're inflating your data. 
Again, I can laugh at my own edits b/c they sure sound really immature. If you look at it that way, a lot of your ev. are irrelevant now b/c they're on disputes basically 1~2 yrs ago on a different article. (Wikimachine 03:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Endroit 

message: Please, this is a perfect evidence on this JPOV vs. KPOV line (JPOV is mostly the provocative side). They will not budge from their defiliing of Korea-related articles. (Wikimachine 21:36, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for review of the dispute at [[An Jung-geun]]

message: Chill out a little mate. I don't think you are doing yourself any favours by trying to continue the debate here. There is a limit on the amount of words we can use in the discussion, you might prejudice people against you and your viewpoint, by typing here in order to get around the word limit .
At the end of the day, someone will read all we have said, there will be a consensus, the page changes or remains and we get on with our lives.
Lets take our editing seriously, but spend a little more time editing, and a little less with the drama.Sennen goroshi 15:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikimachine