Talk:Binyam Mohamed

message: No one would question the value of improving a biographical article, by adding in the birth date, and the dates of other significant events. JM can pat themself on the back for having added some dates to this and other biographical articles.
But I think JM is making mistakes that they can justify removing material, in order to restore what they regard as a NPOV, merely by claiming the need for those changes was "obvious". -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not "obvious" 

message: JM removed the information that Mohammed had been identified as a subject of the controversial technique of extraordinary rendition, without saying why. I restored that information. It is verifiable. The Amnesty International link identifies his that way. -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not obvious why his alleged extraordinary rendition is POV 

message: In particular, JM removed a bunch of external links, without giving a justification for their removal. I have restored them. I don't see any downside to including links that talk about the subject of biography. I replaced one link which quoted five paragraphs from Mohammed's August 11th statement to another link that quoted all eleven paragraphs. -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not obvious why external links were removed 

message: Before JM's edits the article talked about Mohammed's participation in the current hunger strike and the previous hunger strike. JM removed the references to the hunger strike, without explanation. Mohammed's claim to participation in the hunger strike is verifiable. That passage, IMO was not written in a POV way. If my best effort to write it in an NPOV way, I would welcome any civil explanation of what I did wrong
I expanded that section. I think I did it in an NPOV way. If JM, or anyone else, can find an offical reply to Mohammed's statement, or an official denial that the first hunger strike was ended through negotiation, of course they should expand that section to reflect that. -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not obvious how Mohammed's participation in the hunger strikes could be POV 

message: There is a team working hard to wikify dates, to enable articles to be processed mechanically, in new ways. This team has automated tools to assist them. It takes them about one minute each for them to examine an article, approve the changes to the wiki dates. Let me suggest it is a courtesy to them to refrain from undoing their work. JM routinely undoes the date wikification in the external links of articles he edits. I'd like to encourage them, as a courtesy to others, to stop doing so. JM also routinely unlinks the name of the actual publication in the external links of the articles he edits. This is not only the way everyone else edits article, but, it is useful in cases where the publication moves an article from the current server to their archive server, to have a link to the publications home page. -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikified dates -- external link format 

message: Creating stub articles in order to score google hits? This idea would never have occurred to me. I guess some people do use a simple count of google hits to determine the importance of a person, or event.
I always tell the truth. I never have a secret agenda. I contribute to articles on detainees in the "war on terror" for the same reason most other wikipedians contribute to articles. Most of contribute to articles in topics we are interested in, where we think we know something, that other people might be interested in it too. -- Geo Swan 19:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Google hits 

message: I thought we had a neutral edit on 18 October. After that, the addition of the self-serving quote skewed this article back. Dispute veracity or need for the lenghty quote, as opposed to linking to it. Joaquin Murietta 05:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: We still have a neutral article. Are you really disputing the veracity of Mohammed's statement, released by Clive Stafford Smith and reported in the Guardian? The hunger strike is a significant issue, detainees may die as a result. The quotation clarifies the context in which it was resumed. If you feel this unbalances the article, source a suitable US government statement that balances it and add that to the article. If it is verifiable, great. Regards. --Cactus.man ✍ 07:03, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to repeat my request to JM to explain their edits. -- Geo Swan 06:48, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, what exactly is disputed in this article? The veracity of the quote cannot be questioned. If it is the need for the quote, I am open to persuasion. But just slapping a tag on (numerous) articles then leaving them for weeks is not acceptable. --Cactus.man ✍ 12:54, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

text: *No response, removing tag. --Cactus.man ✍ 13:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Placed Dispute Tag

message: I added the reference to the Guardian regarding the charges filed yesterday and the description of the allegations of the complaint. Joaquin Murietta 07:16, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Did a minor edit to this section JM, some re-wording and spacing. --Cactus.man ✍ 12:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Took out a comma and added parens, CM. Joaquin Murietta 15:14, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep, an improvement. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:21, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charges filed 

message: Please note: Reference #12 is not functioning.
Please update reference.
Thank you.
Robert —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.202.93.114 (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Malfunction in References: #12 (On Main Page) 

message: ? Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead)  20:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: All the references I've read (including those in the reference section of the article) state Binyam is Ethiopian, or does this question mean something else?--Sully (talk) 23:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Eritrea or Ethioia?

message: Would editors please be careful to comply with WP:Biographies of living persons. You cannot make assertions about or concerning someone without providing valid supporting citations - where 'valid' means that it supports what you write [without taking a sentence out of context] and that the citation still exists or at the very least existed on the day you took it. The New York Times reference falls into this category: it no longer exists and the reference to it was undated. I have commented it out.--Red King (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The 'Guardian article' "Five More Guantánamo Detainees Charged" does not exist either: even if the URL might have changed, the phrase (nor indeed any reference whatever to Binyam Mohammed) does not appear in the Guardian archive for 2005 [and besides, The Guardian does not use the American style of capitalising every word in the headline]. I have commented it out too. --Red King (talk) 12:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:Bio 

message: The article currently has a 2nd level heading entitled "update".
I think this section should be renamed. Additilly, it may not be appropriate to be a 2nd level heading, and should be rewritten as a 3rd level heading.
The Wikinews article on the event was entitled: "UK loses appeal to conceal Binyam Mohamed torture". Maybe that would be a good alternate title for this section? Geo Swan (talk) 17:28, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I agree and will change. --Red King (talk) 12:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The heading entitled "update"? 

message: This talk page seems a bit unloved, but I see there are a few watchers. I first visited the article today and just want to point out that there is quite a bit of overlap and consequent lack of coherence and sequence between sections … Accusations of abusive incarceration and UK complicity … Civil suit and … Allegations of MI5 collusion, (especially first and last) while 'Civil suit' should perhaps become plural and deal with UK and US civil actions, though much of the UK civil action ties in with 'complicity'.Pincrete (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muddled content? 

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message: we are not supposed to link nationalities of BLPs in the beginning of the lead like that, for the very reason you gave. Unless we should do that BLPs generally, regardless of which country they are from, which I am OK with. Also, why does the location of Ethiopia matter here?  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  22:23, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I thought it was normal to link nationality - unless the country was SO well known we decide it is pointless (US, UK, etc). Location doesn't matter, except as an expression of nationality. In the case of Guantanamo detainees, I thought nationality is almost always linked. Pincrete (talk) 22:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Don't link nationalities of BLPs in the first sentence of the lead like that