Talk:Timex Group USA

message: I recall several years ago Time magazine mentioned Timex was owned by a reclusive Norwegian.
A Google search shows  that in 1991 it was allegedly owned by Fred Olsen of Norway (http://www.irishnationalcaucus.org/pages/Articles1995/Don't%20Call%20Off%20Ford%20Boycott.htm) and that in 1967 it was allegedly owned by Joakim Lehmkuhi of Norway (http://www.naha.stolaf.edu/pubs/nas/volume24/vol24_10.html).
Suggest someone update this with more recent information about this well respected company.
==== Neutrality ====
Neutrality of article was comprised by claiming without citation that Timex was "well respected for...durable watches." The offending information has since been removed.  71.232.162.100 23:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: Neutrality of article was comprised by claiming without citation that Timex was "well respected for...durable watches." The offending information has since been removed.  71.232.162.100 23:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
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message: * How can an "American" company owned by a "Norwegan" company be a B.V. (Besloten Vennootschap)?
* Come to think of it: What's the real name of this company anyway?
:Timex Corporation appears to be a privately owned subsiduary of Timex Group B.V. see this article. CustardJack (talk) 16:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not only that, but this article is almost zero accurate! First of all, Timex Corp., the original Timex company, is the company this page should be about, after all, this page is titled "Timex Corporation". I have never heard of such a thing as Timex Group B.V. (which is not the original company, it's an almost unnotable hoilding company for Timex Corp.) Second, Timex Corporation is not the original Waterbury Clock Company! Timex was founded in 1941, not 1854, as Timex Inc., and soon after that it bought the nearly bankrupt Waterbury Clock Co., which was founded in 1857 not 1854 (Source: Reference For Business). This page, and elsewhere on Wikipedia, gives zero information about the Waterbury Clock Company, which is a notable company and should have its own page! Third, I have also heard nothing of a Timex Group USA Inc., probably that name is just referring to Timex Corp. Even that Reference For Business article referenced above is a better article about Timex than this Wikipedia article! [|Retro00064 | (talk/contribs) |] 03:45, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's a good motivator to fix it. You seem knowledgeable enough. Dr.K. (talk) 03:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  More things for cleanup 

message: I have been in the process of developing new content for Timex Group USA, Inc. for the past few months. This new content recounts the company's history from its founding in 1854 through today. The new content contains several cited sources dating back over a century through now. A few excerpts of this new content have just been added to the live page under History to help correct some confusion that recently appeared. 
There are two levels of confusion I aim to clarify throughout this process: 1. the difference between Timex Group USA, Inc. and its parent Timex Group B.V.; 2. the continued involvement and level of ownership by the Olsen family. A new Timex Group B.V. page is also under development to further assist this clarification. Though there is some overlap these are two separate corporate entities due to a restructuring process in recent years.
===Disclosure===
My name is David Griffith. I have worked very closely with Timex Group USA at their US headquarters since mid-2008 as a Creative Consultant and have recently been hired as the Communications Manager. However, I started researching and developing content for this Wikipedia page in September 2009 on my own accord prior to my hiring in an effort to correct many inaccurate claims about the company's history circulating on the web and Wikipedia. 
I am following a strict guideline of unbiased POV. My only concern is to ensure content is accurate, factual and informative. The new content is expected to be published within the next few weeks. It will be opened to NPOV check prior to publishing.Dtgriffith (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  You must be extra careful, of course, to ensure that what you contribute references independent /third-party) sources and avoids all original research.  Citations from the company's own website might be a problem - not least in terms of NPOV.  Appreciate the openess and willingness to put it through a NPOV check before publishing.  Of course WP:COI applies.  The section on non-controversial edits is particularly useful.  Wikipeterproject (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I am still fairly new to the Wikipedia editing process and only came across the details on COI today - I am reading it carefully and will abide by the recommendations found at WP:SCOIC for any future edits regarding Timex Group. When the new content is ready it will be presented here on the Talk page as a draft for review regarding NPOV, COI and any other concerns.Dtgriffith (talk) 02:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful and thank you! Wikipeterproject (talk) 02:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New Comprehensive Page Content in Development

message: My name is David Griffith. I have worked very closely with Timex Group USA at their US headquarters since mid-2008 as a Creative Consultant and have recently been hired as the Communications Manager. However, I started researching and developing content for this Wikipedia page in September 2009 on my own accord prior to my hiring in an effort to correct many inaccurate claims about the company's history circulating on the web and Wikipedia. 
I am following a strict guideline of unbiased POV. My only concern is to ensure content is accurate, factual and informative. The new content is expected to be published within the next few weeks. It will be opened to NPOV check prior to publishing.Dtgriffith (talk) 19:50, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good.  You must be extra careful, of course, to ensure that what you contribute references independent /third-party) sources and avoids all original research.  Citations from the company's own website might be a problem - not least in terms of NPOV.  Appreciate the openess and willingness to put it through a NPOV check before publishing.  Of course WP:COI applies.  The section on non-controversial edits is particularly useful.  Wikipeterproject (talk) 21:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Thank you. I am still fairly new to the Wikipedia editing process and only came across the details on COI today - I am reading it carefully and will abide by the recommendations found at WP:SCOIC for any future edits regarding Timex Group. When the new content is ready it will be presented here on the Talk page as a draft for review regarding NPOV, COI and any other concerns.Dtgriffith (talk) 02:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wonderful and thank you! Wikipeterproject (talk) 02:15, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Disclosure

message: Though later than I had initially planned, I would like to open up this new proposed draft of Timex Group USA, Inc. for review: User:Dtgriffith/Timex Group USA, Inc. Please note the following:
* I have taken into account NPOV and COI, though since I have worked closely on this article for the past six months, it is very possible I may have missed some of these details. Please see my disclosure above.
* I have incorporated much of the current live article's content, though there are a few new items not included as they appeared fairly recently while my draft was in development.
* A few paragraphs were labelled as needing citations. I am in the process of finding reputable third-party sources.
* The plan is to incorporate the new draft into the live article, not replace it.
Please share with me your recommendations and feel free to edit the Userpage draft when appropriate. Thank you. – Dtgriffith (talk) 21:29, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: New article draft for review

message: Worth noting that per WP:NCCORP this article should at least drop the "Inc." from the end of its name. I'd personally go further and move to simply Timex Group per WP:COMMONNAME, but I suspect others might disagree on that. Gr1st (talk) 20:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The only issue with using only "Timex Group" is that there are other similarly named entities around the world, all part of the larger organization, "Timex Group B.V." which needs its own page. I would not object to changing it to "Timex Group USA" since this article is about the original American company and that is its legal name. dtgriffith (talk) 20:51, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure there is much to say about Timex Group B.V. - isn't it just a holding company for the American unit? Gr1st (talk) 20:56, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is a holding company as well as a conglomerate for the several business entities that together make up Timex Group: Timex Group Canada, Fralsen, Mersey Manufacturers, Sequel, Vincent Berard and TMX Philippines just to name a few. Looking at other companies in the industry, such as Seiko Group and Swatch Group, creating a separate page for Timex Group seems reasonable to cover this aspect. I just want to make sure this is handled correctly based on Wikipedia guidelines and precedents, whatever the outcome is. I will do some more research on this and follow up. This is clearly a valid concern. Thanks. dtgriffith (talk) 23:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have recently learned that Timex Group B.V. should be treated as a separate entity from Timex Group USA. It is in fact more than just a holding company, Timex Group B.V. employs a staff that is growing due to on-going restructuring, and is correctly identified as the parent to Timex Group USA and businesses in various countries. Therefore, I will start a separate page for the global "Timex Group" as planned Covering Timex Group B.V. As for the name of this article, I agree with making the move to "Timex Group USA" and dropping the "Inc." As there has been no additional discussion on this matter I will go ahead and make the move per WP:NCCORP, I highly doubt anyone would object to abiding by this policy. Thank you, Gr1st, for raising this topic. dtgriffith (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
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message: The lede currently states:
* In 1944, the company was thought to have become insolvent, but it was reformed into Timex Corporation, being the only current successor.
But this significant event is not described in the article. Please add relevant content, or subtract from the lede if untrue.-73.61.15.26 (talk) 02:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  1944 insolvent 

message: "Thomas Olsen purchased the Waterbury Clock Company in 1941 and renamed it Timex, a portmanteau of Time (referring to Time magazine) and Kleenex.[1]" It's difficult for me to believe a watch company would be named for a periodical magazine, and a facial tissue. And I don't like when the reference link requires a subscription payment to read it. Doesn't it seem more likely the name is just a clever way of describing what their product measures. Flight Risk (talk) 20:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that's what the source says (the source is published by Time Magazine.) Elizium23 (talk) 00:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, elsewhere on Wikipedia I found this: " A few years later Thomas Olsen would rechristen the company Timex. He hatched the iconic name from an unusual confluence of sources. Recalls Fred: “My father always loved to noodle with words. He liked to read Time magazine, and he used a lot of Kleenex, so he put the two names together and got Timex." Flight Risk (talk) 21:46, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name?