Talk:Blast beat

message: The classic blast beat is alternating bass and snare done at a 16th note pace with cymbal synced to the bass hits. 1 and is bass and e and a is snare. Doing full 16ths on snare alone is more of  a gravity blast.
many drummers do, in fact, play blasts with 1 foot, unless their playing at ludicrous speeds, like 240 up. so anyway, i'm changing that.
This list was removed from the article for lack or sources. --The_stuart 17:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Takin' It To the Streets, by the Doobie Brothers.  Now that song is catchy.
Blast beats are the torrents of alternating snare and bass which increase the speed of death metal at the point of retribution. Should be preformed with a single bass pedal
--65.212.160.75 16:25, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  BLAST BEATS 

message: If someone could add a tab or notation of a blast beat like on D-beat, that'd be great. —Quirk 23:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blast beat tab 

message: The tab in the picture does NOT depict a blast beat but rather an ordinary double time drum beat. A blast beat has a snare hit every 8th note, i.e. 8 snare hits in a 4/4 bar. The picture needs to be corrected or removed. - Quirk 20:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Removed. If someone has Sibelius or a similar tabbing program please feel free to add a correct tablature of a blast beat. - Quirk 20:39, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current picture 

message: According to the article, a blast beat is solely a beat consisting of alternating bass and snare beats (sort of a reverse polka/punk beat). However, from what I've heard as a drummer, and what seems to be common knowledge among drummers, a blast beat is generally constant eight/sixteenth notes or triplets on the bass drum with a normal back beat pattern on the cymbal and snare, which contradicts the article's definition. Is there any 'official' source of which is which? -- Evan Seeds  (talk) 05:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technical definition? 

message: The .ogg file posted here definitely has the blast beat backwards. The vast majority of blast beats alternate between the bass drum/cymbal and the snare, with the bass drum/cymbal coming first. It's like a polka beat played at a ludicrous speed. Some drummers play a double bass drum roll underneath the cymbal and snare; others simply hit the bass drum, cymbal, and snare at the same time as fast as humanly possible. I've also seen several drummers switch hands while going into blast beats so that their stronger (usually right) arm will hit the snare at the same time as the bass drum.
Very few, however, play blast beats with the snare/cymbal leading before the kick drum, as it is in the sound sample on this page. Although there are some drummers who play it this way, it's pretty far from being the norm. I think most drummers would agree that, while there are many different ways of playing it, the most common blast beat consists of rapidly alternating kick/cymbal and snare hits-- not the other way around.
there seems to be a lot of confusion about a technical defnition of a blast beat. distinguishing between the euroblast and the u.s.-blast might bring some clarification. as far as I have experienced it, the more european style of blast beat is the one with cymbal and base together and the snare syncopated. the u.s.-stile is base, cymbal and snare toghether. listening samples of euro blast is practically all black metal (emperor, keep of kalessin, etc.), a sample for u.s.-blast would be Arsis or most american, especially tampa bay death metal. to create what has been called a "wall of sound" the u.s.-blastbeat requires more speed (since the sincopated snare of the euro-blast makes it even at 160bpm seem really fast).
the term euro-blast and u.s.-blast should not divide the metal/grind scene into two fractions but show the slight differences of the interpretation of what a "wall of sound" is. plus, both styles are used in the u.s. and europe.
the .ogg sample would be a backward euro-blast.
::The December 2007 issue of Modern Drummer has it notated as bass+ride and snare alternating.  It goes on to give a few other examples, but the european style is essentially described as the basis for all methods. Thedarxide (talk) 16:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sound sample/Technical Definition 

message: The title song off of Iron Maiden's self titled released in 1980 utilizes a blast beat, making it among the first significant uses of it; the song, recorded onto that album in 1980, was written earlier and was featured on Maiden's Soundhouse Tapes, which were recorded in 1978. Iron Maiden was not only a large influence on the 80s metal scene, but did reach some fans in the hardcore punk community, which might indicate that D.R.I. among many others were inspired to use blast beats by them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.47.42 (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iron Maiden? 

message: I added a link to Drummerworld and Thomas Lang demonstrating a Blast beat. Seems appropriate to have a visual, especially from Lang. Regards GetAgrippa (talk) 22:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Thomas Lang Demonstrating Blast Beat

message: I am no drummer, so can't really contribute to the technical aspect of this article but this looks like it should be a decent resource for some with more understanding than I :) Blackmetalbaz (talk) 15:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Another decent source that may be of some use found here and here. Allegedly Derek Roddy is interviewed in Issue 5, which is supposedly online. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 16:43, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Probably a good resource

message: One of the footnotes just reads ”Ekeroth, page 22”. But there’s no bibliography and no mention of this book anywhere. We should fix this!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.251.142.68 (talk) 07:16, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: What’s the ”Ekeroth” source?

message: "The blast-beat generally comprises a repeated, sixteenth-note figure played at a very fast tempo, and divided uniformly among the bass drum, snare, and ride, crash, or hi-hat cymbal."
I think the quoted definition in the opening passage is too specific - not all the examples given in the article are sixteenth-note, including the tab right next to the quote. Also what does "divided uniformly" mean? - is it a bizarre way of saying 'played on all of...'?Bitbut (talk) 02:57, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adam MacGregor's definition 

message: This videohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7TgWeAXdxE depicts a blast beat known as a cyclone blast beat with the double bass being used in "bursts". Songs this is heard in are Fear Factory's "Cyberwaste" and Asesino's "Regresando Odio".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by RadiumMetal (talk • contribs) 17:13, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't see that video to be enough of a reliable source for confirming that "cyclone blast beat" is a term that should be included here. Can you find better sources discussing "cyclone blast beats"? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cyclone blast 

message: There's a drummer named Angelo Spampinato but he looks young to be a jazz drummer from the 50's, 60's or 70's. So I think it should be removed among the blast beat pioneers. --Generale Lee (talk) 13:44, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Angelo Spampinato 

message: The bit about Trio of Doom is okay, but isn't it a bit ridiculous to single out Tony Williams of all the jazz drummers? there are clearly "blast beats" on Albert Ayler's "Nuits de la Fondation Maeght" - 1970 - just for example - and probably plenty a lot earlier than thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNK7ovE1Rgc&list=PLiN-7mukU_RHmTsz0FiaPKa09hd1Hc-zJ  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.245.83 (talk) 23:44, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jazz 

message: Swedish band Rude kids on album Safe Society  (https://www.discogs.com/The-Rude-Kids-Safe-Society/master/1059426)
link  to video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWr_aNrBg7M
delete that soft jazz Trio of doom Sergey Woropaew (talk) 06:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rude kids (1979)  - First blast beats or proto blast beats