Talk:John Lewis Partnership

message: Does anyone know any more about the legal structure of John Lewis? Is it actually a co-operative? Secretlondon 12:44, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)
: Its a PLC so it issues shares. Secretlondon 12:46, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC). But it claims to be run by its employees - and gives a 'dividend' to them. Bah - its not a straight-forward co-operative (it would be an Industrial and Provident society under British Law - not a PLC). It's hybrid - and I'm confused. ;) Secretlondon 12:51, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)
:: John Lewis Partnership PLC is a public unquoted company that wholly own John Lewis PLC and a bunch of about 25 limited companies such as Waitrose Limited, John Lewis Car Finance Ltd etc. As at 31/01/2003 they had shareholder funds of about £1.4bn or about £25,000 per employee. Distribution of shares is (probably) proportional to annual pay . Total dividend payout appears to be £200,000 or £4 per employee for year to 31/01/2003.... these seems too low... I clearly don't know how to read financial statements!
:: As for the power, as opposed to corporate, structure... see the external link in the article Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 14:07, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: If the demutualisers take the long view, they could decide to wait till the present trust expires, which it does 21 years after the death of the last surviving descendant of King Edward VII who was alive in 1929 - namely, the Queen and the Earl of Harewood. For customers of the 25 department stores and 118 Waitrose food shops, the worry must be whether the homage to Spedan Lewis will not, eventually, cause the same kinds of fatal delay in innovation that did for the Co-op as a serious movement.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.118.251.61 (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Legal structure

message: I've removed the following annotation from the Southampton entry:
:(under the Tyrrell & Green name until the move to West Quay in 1998, then opened in 2000)
because it doesn't make meaningful sense. Are we saying the store traded as Tyrell & Green both before 1998 and after 2000, but traded as John Lewis in the short interim. Or did it move to West Quay in 1998, but for some strange reason didn't reopen for two years after the move. Or what?. If you know enough to rewrite this annotation in english, please feel free to do so and reinstate. -- Chris j wood 15:50, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Confusing text for Southampton

message: A revenue of about £5 million in 2005? Shurely Shome Mishtake. That works out at around £70 annual revenue per employee. --Gantlord 18:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Typo in Revenue?

message: The numbers shown are gross sales (including VAT), not revenue. Gross sales figures are widely used in the retail industry, but they are not comparable to figures for non-retail businesses and it is misleading to give them as the only figure here. I don't have time to correct this just now. Cotterstock (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: All the revenue figures are wrong/misleading

message: Greenbee has changed to John Lewis insurance. Some parts of Greenbee still exist, some are being phased out, or removed with plans to bring back at a later date. Greenbee no longer exists. This is why I added the Update tag. I will do it myself, given some time, but I am currently working on the John Lewis (department store) page. DrMotley (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Update

message: As a former long-serving employee of John Lewis, and indeed a Partner who served on a number of their internal democratic bodies, I can assure you first-hand that said democratic bodies are entirely powerless talking-shops (at least at the lower echelons).
They have no power whatsoever to influence John Lewis policy, or the direction of the business. Only topics pre-approved by management are up for discussion, and the only resolutions passed are those that can be implemented with a minimum of fuss or expense (for example, regarding the sort of sandwich fillings that are available in the canteen).
The sole purpose of these "democratic" bodies is to give the illusion to "rank and file" employees, and external observers that the John Lewis Partnership is in some way a caring, progressive and inclusive organisation, whereas in fact they treat their employees with a good deal more contempt than most.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.68.95 (talk) 03:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Partnership Democracy

message: A bond prospectus from 2010 lists a number of other businesses belonging to the group. Source is on page 28 here http://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/content/dam/cws/pdfs/financials/John_Lewis_plc_Prospectus.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.208.81.209 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Businesses?

message: Just removed some spam from the External Links section and was wondering should all of the partnerships various websites be listed? I understand having Johnlewis.com and Waitrose.com but should the ones for their credit card and other services really be on there? Seems like advertising to me? Drmotley (talk) 08:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: External Links

message: There are several sections that go without citations and appear to involve some kind of unsourced declarations/synthesis, e.g., these two:   In general, there's a lot of stuff that at least appears to come from first-hand knowledge and not from independent, reliable sources. And if it can't be backed up by RS, it shouldn't be in the encyclopedia. czar · · 16:41, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: OR tag

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message: Being somewhat dubious about this articles claim of the Never Knowingly Undersold (NKU) slogan being that of the John Lewis Partnership, and the total lack of any citations (1st- or 3rd-party), I've delved further.  According to this search on the johnlewispartnership.co.uk website, the NKU slogan is only used by John Lewis stores, and not by either Waitrose nor the JLP.  I shall therefore remove the slogan from this article - except for when it refers specifically to the JL stores.  143.159.18.79 (talk) 18:30, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Never Knowingly Undersold'' is not the JLP slogan 

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message: https://www.johnlewispartnership.co.uk/financials/financial-reports/annual-reports.html
near the end of these records in the past 5 years of Financial performance, it seems figures are different on this document to what wiki is showing
for example, the document has:
Header text                                	2016 	2015 	2014 	2013 	2012
Wiki Profit before tax                     	N/A  	342.7	376.4	509.0	393.3
Partnership Bonus, tax and exceptional item	305.5	342.7	376.4	343.3	353.8
seems prior to 2014 people were using a different figure. for the time being, I've halted my edit as a priority now would be to make sure all the figures are consistent 
Same applies to Profit retained, document states "Profit for the year" was £101.0 million in 2013 while wiki "Profit retained" is £198.8 million  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.194.212 (talk) 01:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Financial performance 

message: Hi,
I was going to edit this myself, but I chose to ask here in case I have misunderstood.
How can the company be a privately held public company? It's a public limited company, so how can it be privately-held? Doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of being a public limited company? Strugglehouse (talk) 14:20, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Companies House, it is a public limited company so that is how it should be described. Dormskirk (talk) 14:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: @Dormskirk Yes, I believe this too. I think "privately-held" should be removed. Strugglehouse (talk) 15:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Privately-held public limited company"