Talk:José Manuel Barroso

message: I know wikipedia is a place where POV writing has no place, except in the talk pages. So, here it goes. I dislike the guy! Dislike! Dislike! Dislike! There, i'm feeling better now. Muriel Gottrop 16:39, 1 Nov 2003 (UTC)
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message: Muriel, I dont know if the majority of the Portuguese "really" opposed the invasion. I think the majority of the people nether opposed nether support, they didnt really gave a damn about that issue, that's not our problem, we only have police officers there, and no army (because of Presidential objection). It is true that the president and the other parties opposed, but they dont represent the people as you know. Data that I saw showed that "some" of the population even supported the prime minister because of commercial issues, especially the question of wines, that everyone supposed that the country would gain new markets with this alliance with the US. I don't see anything. Portuguese wines continue to win most wine competitions, but the market is still very small. Fortunnaly, Muslim people have a good image of Portuguese people, and the relationship was allways peaceful, and many Muslims in Daman, India still refer as being Portuguese, even if they don't speak Portuguese, and they are not Catholics. That same peaceful relation happens elsewhere, there was even Portuguese immigration to Iraq, during Saddam's regime.-Pedro 22:06, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question over Iraq

message: Why doesn't the European Union force all members to sign some sort of Anti-comintern pact?  It is outrageous the president of the EU is a communist
* Are you crazy? Or just trolling? Durão comes from PSD, a right-wing party in Portugal. Dehumanizer 19:00, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: * Shouldn't this article be titled José Barroso according to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)? (If I understand the Portuguese naming convention correctly, Durão is his mother's surname.) PatrikR 17:23, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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message: The European Commission website has him as José Manuel Barroso. Most other Wikipedias seem to have gone with José Manuel Durão Barroso, except interestingly the Portuguese one which has simply Durão Barroso. To avoid confusion, and since we give the full name at the very start of the article, I would prefer to move it to José Manuel Durão Barroso with all conceivable alternatives as redirects. It would also be good to have a note on pronounciation. If any Portuguese contributors who are familiar with the IPA would like to have a go that would be great, and better than the unhelpful ad-hoc pronounciation guides Wikipedia is plagued with. If no one knows IPA put an approximation on the talk page and I'll try and come up with my guess at IPA for the article. British TV and radio seem to say his name differently every time, sometimes pronouncing his first name as if it was Spanish which I'm sure is wrong, and then we sometimes hear variations sounding like Barroosoo for his surname, which I am inclined to think is closer to Portuguese reality than the normal English attempt to say Barroso. All this is a stab in the dark though: my knowledge of Portuguese extends to the word "obrigado" and nothing else. I look forward to a reply clearing up some of these matters, as we need a good extensive and accurate article on this guy. He is after all now an important political figure for nearly half a billion people. Obrigado. — Trilobite (Talk) 17:07, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried to make the move but there has been more than one edit to the target so it wouldn't go. If you're an admin you could delete the redirect at José Manuel Durão Barroso and then move the article there. — Trilobite (Talk) 14:33, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. David Cannon 00:58, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attempt to clear up 

message: Is anybody able to tell me whether or not Durão Barroso is a descendant of Pedro Gomez De Barroso (born c.1227, in Portugal), Fernan Perez de Barroso (b. 1252 in Toledo, Spain) or of Sancha Fernandez de Barroso (b. 1282, also in Toledo)?  I've been doing some research (for another project, but will put it on Wikipedia too if anything comes of it) on the genealogy of George W. Bush, and have found these Barroso names in the family tree.  I'm trying to establish whether in fact these two individuals are related, or whether the namesake is coincidental. Thanks!David Cannon 21:29, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for that, Pedro!  I'll look into it.  The reason for my interest is that I've been doing some research into how many of the world's leading historical and political figures are related to one another, often in unexpected ways.  Bush indeed has Barroso ancestors (from both Portugal and Spain); whether Durão Barroso shares these same ancestors, or whether it's just a namesake, is something I'll have to look into.  It is strange, I know, but the more one delves into genealogies of politicians, the more they come to resemble one big family.   Maybe that's why politicians so often have an "us versus them" mentality ("them" meaning ordinary people). David Cannon 01:19, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genealogical question 

message: Barroso's english language skills are far from fluent. 
His academic career continued as an Assistant Professor in the Law School of the University of Lisbon and at Georgetown University and Georgetown's Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service in Washington, D.C., where he did research for a Ph.D. He is a 1998 graduate of the . BacGeorgetown Leadership Seminark in Lisbon, Barroso became Director of the Department for International Relations at Lusíada University.
this passage may wrongly lead to the conclusion he "had an academic career" or obtained some kind of degree in the US. I have no record of it--139.18.144.64 21:41, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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message: Hey, Durão isn't Catholic! LOL He even was a communist once! Velho 21:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
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message: Is there enough information to write about his wife? We have an image but I haven't seen much in the way of data. - J Logan t: 12:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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message: The Portugese State Prosecutor  has come into possession of documents proving illegal financement of Barroso's party during the '02 campaign. The money source appears to be a construction company which obtained with Barroso's forceful lobbying a contract to build a highway in Bulgaria. The  procedural irregularities  were previously reported to the European Commission which stated that these are internal affairs out of its competence. Spokepersons for the Commission adopted the same position regarding the current scandal.91.92.179.156 12:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scandal in August 2007 

message: No other article on a President of the European Commission has that kind of information, which is absolutely useless for any Wikipedian or other. Genealogical curiosities aren't encyclopedic. Velho (talk) 02:50, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. It's meaningless to say what other EC presidents' articles have or have not, since all of them suck compared to this one. Read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists anyway. I see from your contrib log that you're on some sort of crusade against family trees. The status quo in this article is to include them. I think the names of relatives is very relevant (and "encyclopedic") information. We must reach a new consensus here if the family tree is to be removed from this article. - SSJ ☎ 04:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So you think only people with famous ancestors deserve family trees in their articles? I.e. only royal family trees should be on Wikipedia? I do not concur. I think the names of ancestors are 100% relevant in biographical articles. It's also common practice. Your argument about including information of respective families in biographical articles being a biased choice, is possibly the silliest notion I have ever heard on a Wikipedia talk page. No offense. If you bitterly hate the very existence of family trees on wikipedia (or want a deep and fundamental debate on what a family tree is supposed to do), you should probably take your arguments to this talk page. If other editors agree with you (i.e. a new consensus is reached), perhaps a notice will be added to the template, saying PS: ONLY PEOPLE WITH PERSONAL WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN FAMILY TREES. BIOGRAPHICAL ARTICLES OF PERSONS WITH NON-CELEBRITY FAMILY MEMBERS SHALL NOT CONTAIN THIS FAMILY TREE TEMPLATE. Good luck. If you do not succeed, please do not continue to remove the family tree in this article without a consensus. - SSJ ☎ 04:46, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Velho is absolutely right about the irrelevance of such a depth of genealogical information for someone whose social (or political or whatever) position did not come about through genealogical or family reasons (as in the case of royalty and other nobility). In fact the only reason some of the articles on Portuguese personalities have such a high degree of genealogical info is because a Portuguese editor (I believe G.-M. Cupertino) insists on adding them. They are completely out of place in the articles, and look like a ridiculous attempt to "aristocratize" people. Some small info on personal and family life may have its place in an article like this one, but not the sort of info that should only be present in a specialized genealogical site or database. The Ogre (talk) 15:26, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with Velho and Ogre. I saw it awhile back and thought it was strange. I am glad that someone brought it up. Every detail on a person is not relevant to an article, only that which is encyclopedic.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 15:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ancestors and "family tree" 

message: Is he really a Brazilian citizen?? I know his father was from Rio, but that doesn't mean Manuel has a Brazilian nationality. Opinoso (talk) 20:53, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazilian citizen 

message: Shouldn't the image of Barroso preferrebly be this one: http://www.mediadesknederland.eu/public/uploads/images/logos/Barroso.jpg ? I don't know the exact specifications for the placement of a picture so I don't dare to just put it in, but as soon as I do get them I will. That's if nobody has the chance to do it before me. --Tomvasseur (talk) 23:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
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