Talk:History of the Greek alphabet

message: I've added the PhoenicianGreek template for reference, preparatory to more detailed discussion of the history. --rossb 11:09, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added a template 

message: I've made a start on this. Still to be done:
* the various dialectal versions of Ξ, Χ, ψ 
* the adoption of the Ionic alphabet (vocalic eta, omega, loss of a letter for h etc) 
* later developments (lower case, breathings, accents, iota subscript) 
* sound changes (not sure how far this should go) 
* Greek numerals 
* change from right-to-left via boustrophedon to left-to-right. --rossb 20:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Work in progress 

message: It's usual for such discussion to have a full presentation in parallel of the forms in the different Greek dialects. The discussion of the   "various dialectal versions of Ξ, Χ, ψ" is a good alternative, but I think the conventional way should be tried as well. The special letters discussed under Greek numbers should go in here also-- are there symbols, or do we need drawings?.  DGG 08:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: dialects

message: Beautiful image of the cup with the alphabet. But while the top side ends with Ψ, the bottom side continues with two more letters. Do we know what they are? The caption suggests that there is only one, Ω. kwami (talk) 00:14, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  letters in the photo 

message: Is the Fayum alphabet something worth adding to this article? Corpsicle (talk) 17:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely, if we can confirm it. But if it's the oldest, and from 800B₠, why do so many people date the Greek alphabet to 750, and never mention it? Something isn't right. Or is it the Phoenician alphabet and just a good match to the Greek? — kwami (talk) 05:05, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

text: this page https://www.schoyencollection.com/palaeography-collection-introduction/early-writing-introduction/first-alphabets/earliest-greek-alphabet-ms-108 shows all about it and its importance 91.140.90.20 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fayum alphabet 

message: Hi again Macrakis. You seem quite excited to add your comments about the type of writing uncovered at Alcmene’s tomb as described by Plutarch. Perhaps you'd care to add your version of the story. If it's not linear B is it Minoan or perhaps is it hieroglyphs? --Odysses (₪) 21:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plate uncovered at Alcmene’s tomb 

message: this article with Archaic Greek alphabets. In the latter interwiki are about specific variant rather than about all historical. Infovarius (talk) 07:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose to merge 

message: Sigh! so often modern Greeks forget that ancient language was not exactly the same as now! It is ridiculous to say "Similarly the name sampi means "like pi", suggesting that its phonetic use had been forgotten."
Because "sampi" could be taken as "like pi" in modern Greek ONLY.
There is a similar folk etymology in northern Greece where pistachio nuts are still called "samfistikia", and that is always taken to mean "like peanuts"! This is funny, because in fact the name "samfistikia" came from Turkish "Şam fıstığı" meaning "Damascus nut", so it has nothing to do with modern Greek "san" ("sam" by sandhi) which means "as if; like; similar to". Today the name for pistachio nuts has mostly been standardized as "kelyfota", so the fun of "samfistikia" is getting lost.
No less funny is the folk etymology of modern Greek σαντιγί /san.di.ˈʝi/ ("whipped cream" in plain English) as /san - di - ʝi/ meaning "like the earth", while the real etymology is from French "crème de Chantilly", Chantilly being the name of a French city.
In the same way, "sampi" has nothing to do with that modern Greek "san" ("sam" before labials).
The old Greek name "sampi" is obviously from the old Phoenician name given to that letter for pedagogical reasons (Phoenicians gave the letters names reminiscent of both the shape and the phonetic value of the letter).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.90.20 (talk) 16:45, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  please correct 

message: Are those the same terms? In searching for a reference to back up the claim that Η came from Ionian, I found the nice reference https://quod.lib.umich.edu/m/moa/ACD4670.0006.001/368, but that speaks of "post-Euklidean". Conceivably, "post" could mean just after it was decided to introduce it. ◄ Sebastian 02:48, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euklidean and post-Euklidean alphabets