Talk:Farmers' suicides in India

message: The large number of suicides among farmers in India does seem somewhat exaggerated to those not familiar with how things can go bad, very bad. Here is a link to an interview with one of the researchers who did indepth study of farmers suicide. In case I can get the original work of Dr. Nagaraj on line I would include a link to that in the future. http://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/nov/22sld1.htm upendra 13:05, 19 February 2009 ((talk   —Preceding undated comment was added on 12:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The large number of suicides among farmers in India 

message: Monsanto is very bad. They kill all these Indian Farmers with their shit productions. I'm a Indian farmer and I'm RUINED!!! But I don't commit suiced but I gonna attack the Monsanto headquarter in the shit USA. (talk) 14:41, 30 August 2008(UTC)
By talking only of the genetic modified crops and their producers we divert the attention away from the more important issue of agrarian distress in India. The agrarian distress is a fact widely accepted by the government, the media and the people; the benefits of genetic modified crops are also accepted by a number of farmers, especially from Gujarat, Andhra Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra and Punjab to name some of the states where gm seeds sell well. At the same time, it is also accepted that when the gm crop fails, like any other crop, the losses are far higher than in the case of using local seeds and local techniques since growing the gm crop requires much more capital.  But to blame Monsanto so categorically-- that would not be appropriate for the wiki.  upendra 13:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  It's all Monsantos fault !!!!!!!!

message: I have heard suggestions that one reason for farmers' suicides is the failure of genetically-modified cotton. Farmers who borrowed to get into the publicised GM Cotton programme found that it did not work, for one reason or another, and they were stuck with no crop to harvest. Does anyone have further info? Snezzy (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Genetically modified cotton? 

message: There is a need of more information in the article cause its not perfect enough to increse ones knowledge.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoro1999 (talk • contribs) 16:21, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor Article Quality

message: Have been following this article for some months now along with the modifications being made to it. I preferred the previous version of the page rather than the current one. The previous verisons were more neutral, gave information in specific form even though they did not address specifically the matter of the gravity of farmers suicides in India. 
Briefly, I would say, this page should be retained. 
The point raised in the comment above has been discussed for long through the early years of this century: that the suicide rate for farmers is no greater than the suicide rate among other population groups. That might be. But, looking at figures provided by the National Crime Records Bureau, which is a government of India body and its state level affiliates, the State Crime Records Bureau, says that while among other population groups the reason for suicide are varied, among farmers there is a preponderance of those who commit suicide because of farm related problems. That is what caught the attention of various commentators in the past two decades. As of today the issue of farmers suicide is not a ngo driven thing anymore and the public at large is well conversant with the specificities of farmers' distress. That is another matter that a number of ngos do push their specific agendas using the issue of farmers suicide as their excuse. Of this one of the more widely known agendas has been about the problems emanating from the use of genetically modified crops. On that see the comment above with respect to 'Monsanto'. At least from Punjab there is a lot of information coming out in the newspapers since Feb 2009 about reports being generated by university departments on the matter of farmers suicide. Unfortunately this information is still not available on the internet other than in the form of newspaper reports. A similar report by a south Indian based organisation has still not been published on the internet. The only detailed and formal studies that I have come across till now on the issue of farmers suicide concerns a specific district in Maharashtra. This study has already been referenced in the Wiki article on farmers suicides in India. Another is by the Planning Commission of India, a government of India body.
I guess the issue of farmers suicide is emotive, politically charged and complex and therfore there is a reluctance on part of neutral observers to comment upon it publicly. I shall wait and see what other comments are made on this issue and see how this page progresses.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Upendrabaxi2004 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have just tagged that section as original research.   "Context" sections are very often unacceptable per WP policies. The only way that this section would be okay would be if a reliable source actually discussed this context specifically.  I'll leave it a bit to see if anyone has any sources, but I may come back and remove it (assuming I remember, of course). Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments on quality and neutrality issues

message: The perplexing question: why is farmers suicide such an intense issue in India? Have added a section giving the historical context to explain it.
:I have just tagged that section as original research.   "Context" sections are very often unacceptable per WP policies. The only way that this section would be okay would be if a reliable source actually discussed this context specifically.  I'll leave it a bit to see if anyone has any sources, but I may come back and remove it (assuming I remember, of course). Qwyrxian (talk) 14:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: the historical context

message: I don't see the point of having a pic of cotton in a suicide article. For a moment I thought that eating cotton was a suicide method. 190.75.249.17 (talk) 12:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I've removed it. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:59, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: At some point User:Bobrayner deleted the entire first paragraph of the Causes section, with an edit summary seeming to vaguely indicate he does not consider the given source valid. I have restored this paragraph as being an accurate precis of the cited source; if said user would like to contend unreliability for the given source, then then talk page is the appropriate forum for that. Thank you. Eaglizard (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Every time globalresearch gets taken to the reliable sources noticeboard, it's rejected. However, because it says things which reliable sources don't, people often try citing it when they want to put WP:FRINGE content into wikipedia. For instance, when editors want to say that global warming is a myth, HAARP is a weapon, the Gaddafi and Milošević and Assad regimes are peaceful victims of NATO aggression, 9/11 was an inside job, H1N1 is a government plot to kill billions of people, &c then globalresearch.ca gets cited. Sure enough, here we are with the International Food Policy Research Institute - an impeccably reliable source - saying that Bt cotton didn't cause farmer suicides; nonetheless, some editors want to say that Bt cotton causes farmer suicides, and if you shop around it's always possible to find some unreliable sources that support any ideology. A good rule of thumb is that where globalresearch has been cited, that means there's a reliable source available which says exactly the opposite. bobrayner (talk) 02:03, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal reverted

message: You added "From 1995 to 2013, a total of 296,438 farmers have killed themselves in India" to the lead.
Is that important enough to belong to the lead? Unless you persuasively explain it should remain in the lead, I intend to move it to the main article, because it does not contribute to the WP:LEAD guideline, "that the lead should be an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects". If it is important enough to be in the lead, you should explain the significance of the 18 year total in an NPOV manner, in the main article. M Tracy Hunter (talk) 03:50, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  1995-2013 total suicides data 

message: Just find good article "GM cotton really is helping to drive Indian farmers to suicide".-- .  Shlok talk   . 12:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  GM cotton and Indian farmers to suicide

message: According to the List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate India has around 12 annual suicides per 100000 citizens. This is very close to the global average, and lower than countries such as Russia and the US. I think that the article should reflect this.
Every suicide is obviously a tragedy, but it also helps to put the numbers into perspective  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.23.239.207 (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  India has 12.9 annual suicides per 100000 citizens which is close to the global average 

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message: Farmer suicide
 For my social history very dangerous society doing in very poor villages are poor farmers because of droughts no rainfall that's it 43.241.123.183 (talk) 03:53, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Farmers sucide 

message: ಮಳೆಯು ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಆಗಲಿಲ್ಲ ಅಂದರೆ ರೈತರು ಆತ್ಮಹತ್ಯೆ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳುತ್ತಾರೆ 223.186.198.81 (talk) 13:04, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translte to english