Talk:Journey to the West

message: Don't you guys think that the synopsis is way too conversational? 72.86.156.219 (talk) 07:07, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Style of Synopsis Section

message: Yup, according to Hollywood reporter.com Stephen Chow of Chinese Odyssey, Kung Fu Hustle and CJ7 fame has got the go ahead to make a $100 million Journey To The West production in collaboration with China Film Group [CFG] and reportedly Will Smith will star. Blimey get me a cup of tea stat! Twobells (talk) 22:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Stephen Chow To Make New Film

message: The BBC has created an adaption (alternate link) of Journey to the West for its Olympics 2008 title animation. Their page about it contains a link to this Wikipedia article. GreenReaper (talk) 14:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: BBC adaption

message: In Journey to the West#List of demons, the "Demon in Yellow Robe" is currently identified as "wood wolf of Gui (or Andromeda)" (and Andromeda is linking to a disambiguation page).
In the freeware English translation of Journey to the West that I'm working from (Journey to the West, see page 443), the constellation that goes missing from heaven is described as "Strider, the wooden wolf". I think that relates to Kuí, or Legs (Chinese constellation), which roughly overlaps Andromeda (constellation).
Am I correct in identifying the Demon in Yellow Robe with Kuí/Legs? Or am I getting confused by the translations?
If I'm not confused by the translations, I'm inclined to change the identity of the demon to "wood wolf of Kuí (the Chinese constellation Legs)". But I thought I'd better check first. Tonyrex (talk) 23:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: ) No objections, so I'll make the change. Will use the pinyin "Kuí" for the link and pipe it to Legs (Chinese constellation). Tonyrex (talk) 08:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Identity of Demon in Yellow Robe

message: I'd like to split the Media adaptations section off into a separate article, List of media adaptations of Journey to the West.  This is because a) the current section takes up tons of space in the article, and makes the TOC huge; and b) having its own article would allow people to do more with it.  Anyway, does anyone have any thoughts?
If I don't hear any objections within a day or so, I'll probably go ahead and do the split, just because I'm antsy. —Politizer talk/contribs 14:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No responses, so I'm going to go ahead with the split. —Politizer talk/contribs 03:17, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split 

message: Might be worth expanding on the religious interpretations of the Journey. From Clearly's Vitality Energy and Spirit: a Taoist Sourcebook, we read:
"The last selection from Liu I-Ming's commentaries to be presented here is a set of extracts from his writings on Journey to the West, which has itself been translated into English as a 'folk novel' and does not seem to be generally recognized as an estoeric map of human development except among certain Buddhists and Taoists. Liu attributes the original work to the thirteenth-century Taoist master Ch'ang-ch'un (Changqun), one of the great disciples of Wang Che, founder of the Northern school of Complete Reality.Secular scholars vehemently deny this attribution, claiming ti derives from confusion with another book called Journey to the West recounting Ch'ang-ch'un's expedition to Mongolia. The two works are so different, however, as to render this theory absurd. What is more likely is that scholars who believed the work to be a 'folk novel' did not understand the inner content, which treats the most complex and sophisticated forms of Buddhism and Taoism. Fr centuries the stories of Journey to the West were current as a cycle of dramas, which were ultimately rewritten into the present form of a novel by Wu Ch'eng-en (Wu Chengen) in the sixteenth century. Currently available English translations are based on the 'folk novel' theory of the work, and do not reflect sensitivity to the technical inner meanings. In a set of remarkable essays, Liu I-ming explains how the text appears to the initiate."
The extracts themselves seem to've been typed up here; at least, they're correct insofar as I've checked them against my copy. --Gwern  (contribs) 19:21 20 March 2009 (GMT)
Well, I am pretty sure that the protagonist is supposed to be the priest. and i think it should be Tang Shen  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.65.196.230 (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Esoteric interpretation 

message: It is probably important to mention somewhere the several important historical sequels to the Ming dynasty novel, namely: Hou Xiyou ji (Later Record of the Westward Journey),  Xu Xiyou ji (Sequel to the Westward Journey), and Dong Yue's Xiyou bu (Supplement to the Westward Journey).ChinaStudent (talk) 17:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I am currently writing an article for the Xiyoubu. I am close to finishing it, but I only work on it occasionally. I will add information about it to this page shortly. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Historical Sequels to Xiyou ji

message: I suggest that we create a page List of characters from Journey to the West for all the characters in the novel. The list of demons take up far too much space on this article so it'll be better to relocate them. We can add in all the various gods and deities on that list and make it even more complete. Isn't that better? Anyone in support of this idea? Lonelydarksky (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a good idea to me.  I would keep the info about the main characters here, though. Bertport (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Please help to work on the list. It's incomplete and has a lot of potential for improvement. Thanks. Lonelydarksky (talk) 02:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: List of characters

message: I wanted to provide another source doubting Wu as the author. It is an article by Glen Dudbridge, a noted Xiyouji scholar. I don't have time to add the information, but I'm sure a more active editor could. The information starts on page 25 of this PDF article. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Good source for the scholar. I'll add a reference to the version reprinted in a book of Dudbridge's papers. Don't think we need to add anything in the text, though, since most readers will only be interested in the conclusion. Anthony Yu summarizes the argument in any case. Is this ok? ch (talk) 05:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. Thanks for adding the source to the page. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 11:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

text: THanks for the good suggestion! ch (talk) 18:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Anthony Yu is coming out with an updated translation of Journey to the West, including an expanded introduction. I believe the first volume comes out sometime this month. You might want to consult that for more information. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doubted authorship source 

message: There is a dispute in page Talk:List of media adaptations of Journey to the West. Someone delete  the adaption in some games because these games only use the character (Monkey king, Sun wukong) not stories and should not be considered as a adaption. But the problem is the guideline of this article says the article list the adaption both stories and characters.Then Journey to the West in popular culture was merged in List of media adaptations of Journey to the West. It means this article also contains the popular elements related to Journey to the West . Hence, I think should not delete the games which used the character of this novel. Now there is no consensus and still have dispute. I hope more editors can see this discussion and put a comment. User talk:Miracle dream</sub> 22:49, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: dispute about adaption of Journey to the West in video games

message: This section is in reference to my recent changes. It's a common misconception that Sha wields a monk's spade. Chapter 22 describes him wielding a magic wooden staff:
:For years my staff has enjoyed great fame,
:At first an evergreen tree in the moon.
:Wu Gang cut down from it one huge limb:
:Lu Ban then made it, using all his skills.
:Within the hub [is] one solid piece of gold:
:Outside it’s wrapped by countless pearly threads.
:It’s called the treasure staff for crushing fiends
:[…] (Wu & Yu, 2012, Vol. 1, p. 428)
Also, the name of the Flowing Sands River (流沙河) is a reference to the "Flowing Sands", an ancient name for the harsh desert area in northwestern China. Sha is originally based on an obscure desert demon associated with the area in religious and pre-Journey to the West literature going back to the 7th-century. See here for citations. Therefore, the idea that the Flowing Sands River is the same as the Kaidu River is an after the fact association. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 09:47, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes to Sha Wujing section 

message: Yes, articles generally need more citation references; however, inconsistent and too-easy application of tagging generally fails to improve articles, and instead discourages editors from working on them and readers to needlessly doubt accuracy. This affect is especially pronounced when the template inclusion appears to dominate the article by being the first item at the top. Does this really help? No, although the idea represents good faith effort and generally well-intended, this does not make the article better. Once someone does a little editing, they almost certainly are realizing the value of citation references, if they did not do so to begin with. We do not need relentless reminders. I recommend more and better referencing, but not by the method of placing article curation tags in every doubtful case; especially if, as in some cases, negligently left without follow-up, to let the chips fall where they may. Thus, differently gruntled, removing stale article curation inclusion template. Dcattell (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: article referencing curation notice removal 

message: Sorry I don't normally interact with wiki sites but I noticed that at the end of the authorship section it just says 
"Journey to the West is not actually written by Wu"
As a person who's not fully involved in this, I assume they're talking about Wu Cheng'en since he was mentioned earlier as a possible author, but then after that there's a larger paragraph where there are mentioned some reasons as for why it might not be.
So I was thinking that perhaps if someone felt so strongly about the subject to add the little addendum with such certainty, it might in that case be considered polite to add a source to such statements since when stated so bluntly it makes it sound like the person writing actually knows who wrote journey to the west and is insulted that someone would think it was Wu. Which of course is ridiculous.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.253.166.40 (talk) 03:35, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  final line in authorship section