Talk:Elvis Presley/Archive 18

message: Elvis' extensive collection of police badges definitely deserves a mention in the section about Nixon. That section extensively quotes Guralnick, and yet Guralnick makes the argument in his book that just getting the elite federal narcotics badge was the real reason Elvis sought out a meeting with Nixon in the first place. He specifically ASKED Nixon for the badge; it was his idea. I don't see how you can tell the story about Elvis, Nixon, and the badge without mentioning that fact, and Elvis' almost obsessive hobby with collecting police badges.--24.107.35.146 04:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bade collecting/Nixon

message: Is not Wikipedia supposed to an encyclopedia? Encyclopedias as a rule print facts and figures and do not attempt to make judgments and form biased opinions by quoting, often out of context, only the most slanderous comments from  many numerous publications. That is not what an encylcopedia is supposed to be about.  It is quite obvious from looking up John Lennon's bio on this very same site that the rules as to what makes up an encyclopedia have been followed with regard to him. Why has no slander been allowed through on his bio while it has been allowed through here on Elvis Presley?  That is biased.  Albert Goldman stated John Lennon was homosexual. User:Suzulu
:There is a substantial Wikipedia article on Goldman's book, The Lives of John Lennon. Onefortyone 13:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You are wrong. While diehard Elvis fans may not like what Professor Goldman has to say, what he says is based on facts - mainly on interviews with primary sources, mostly Elvis's closest associates (bodyguards, handlers, friends and relatives) who lived and worked with him, were with him 24 hours a day, and knew him from childhood. Therefore, his book on Elvis is an important secondary source. Onefortyone 03:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: As for Goldman's biography on John Lennon, several other sources confirm what is written in the book. For instance, in "The Lives of John Lennon" (2001) Albert Goldman claims that Lennon had homosexual relationships, including one with manager Brian Epstein. By the way, he was not the first author making such a claim. Goldman also claimed that Lennon solicited male prostitutes in Thailand. Roland Reiter's study, Screening the Beatles Myth includes a section entitled, "The Hours and Times: Was John Lennon gay?" See Roland Reiter, Screening the Beatles Myth: Movies, Documentaries, Spoofs and Cartoons (2005), p.183ff. In this book, the author discusses in detail the rumors concerning Lennon's secret homosexual relationship with his manager Epstein which were also the subject of Christopher Munch's movie, The Hours and Times. According to Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, "John Lennon was not only a homosexual drug addict--but a member of the Young Communist League of Liverpool, England." See Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn, Heave-Up: Phase One (1994), p.133. Onefortyone 13:21, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Significantly, Lennon's widow Yoko Ono threatened to sue for libel, claiming Goldman's book made her "briefly consider suicide", but never pursued any legal action. For more details on Goldman's controversial book on Lennon, see the Wikipedia article, The Lives of John Lennon. However, as far as I know, this book does not deal with Elvis Presley. Onefortyone 13:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Some things...

message: Sorry I too not wanting to tread on anyones toes (for the person who wrote this about Elvis) but I disagree with the "fact" *Presley's birth certificate uses the spelling Aron, but his estate has designated Aaron as the official spelling of his middle name. It is spelled Aron because of his twin brother that died at birth, Garon, so Elvis would always have a part of his brother with him.* In fact he was actually born Elvis Aaron Presley but he later changed it to be just Elvis Aron, he was initally called Elvis Aaron correct because his twin brother was Jesse Garon but as I have mentioned he later changed this to be the spelling of Aron (just one A).
His grave has the incorrect spelling on it also, as it is spelt Aaron.
Thank You.
FOLLOW UP:  This may be true.  However, in the documentary produced about his life, THIS IS ELVIS, Aron is the spelling used on Presley's duffel bag in the military sequences.  This could only have occurred if he specified the spelling himself.  In my opinion, Aron should be the correct spelling.
however. no one cares what his middle name was or what it was spelled like. elvis is alive so why don't you ask him?
--His birth-certificate is "Aron" not "Aaron". He changed it late in life to "Aaron" because it was the biblical spelling rather than the one he was born with--a common early 20th century practice was rhyming names (I have this in my own family), thus "Elvis Aron" and "Jesse Garon".
----Everybody seems to be about "half-right" so far. Here's the direct quote on it from the FAQ of elvis's official graceland page.
http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/faq/faq.asp?qid=11
For those that don't read: Intended to be Aron, certificate said Aaron, he wanted it switched to Aaron for biblical purposes, Family respected his wishes for the tombstone.66.119.27.235 18:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Aron or Aaron?

message: I was quite shocked when I discovered that no one has even tried to nominate this article to be a FA (you are supposed to be able to see failed nominations on the TalkPage, right?).
I really don't know much about Elvis except that he sang a lot and women loved him.
But this article has it all, doesn't it? Lot's of info, but still relevant info... references, inline references, interesting info... you name it.
The only thing that I don't like is the heading "Girls! Girls! Girls!". I know that "Girls!" was a great part of Elvis life, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Surely you're not saying we would find such a heading in a true encyclopedia.
::"Girls! Girls! Girls!" is the title of an Elvis movie of 1962. It is here used as a heading. Onefortyone 01:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: done. Arniep 19:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid this article is nowhere near FA quality. The most glaring problems are the Trivia section and the Elvis Cult section. I would clean up those sections and then nominate the article for Good Article status. If it succeeds at attaining good article status, get a Peer Review and then consider nominating the article to be a Featured Article. Kaldari 20:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree on both points.  I also think the article is too dependent on quotes which suggests original research and/or POV.  The Elvis Cult section is a screed rather than an actual encyclopedic entry.  Lochdale 20:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Elvis cult" section is well sourced, as all passages are supported by several independent publications. The "Trivia section" is not well sourced and primarily includes fan stuff. Onefortyone 01:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The "Elvis Cult" section is selectively sourced and consists of original research.  It is fundamentally unencyclopedic.  Lochdale 01:20, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think the article is oversized. People come here to know who the man was, and why he's encyclopedic. Not minute details like the address of Sun Studios, what he did on specific days, and specific fan reactions to minor events. Too much trivial garbage. 66.119.27.235 19:30, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why hasnt been nominated to FA? 

message: It should be its own page. Like Bob Marley. 
Anyone? I'm all ears........81.170.138.232 21:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: See the discussion section above.  It was a section that was riddled with POV and original research.  Read more like a screed than an encyclopedic entry.  Lochdale 22:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I DID read that. But you never wrote that you had it removed! Please describe "Read more like a screed" means so I can try to fix it. I still think removing it was a little bit extreme. It was filled with facts, lots of it. Both about those who liked elvis and those who did not like him. 22:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lochdale frequently removes paragraphs he doesn't like. This is not acceptable, especially in view of the fact that the material is well sourced. Onefortyone 01:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: I think the problem with it is the fact that it is filled with POV and original research.  The first issue is whether this needs to be in an encyclopedic entry.  It's way too detailed and goes into what can best be described as the margins of Presley-study (if such a think exists).  Is that really what an encyclopedia is for?  Compare this article to the article on John Lennon for example to see the difference.  The idea of an "Elvis Cult" is in and of itself POV.  Reliance on papers published by idividuals and selective quotes from those papers skirts too close to POV and original research.  For example, even the notion that Pat Boone was more popular than Presley based on some "poll" is fairly ludicrious given the massive disparity in record sales etc.  Unless we start looking into a "conspiracy" in the music industy etc. etc.  Does an encyclopedia really need to go into that sort of detail?  Do we have to post any and every thought any may ever of had on the subject no matter how far-fetched or self-serving?  Do various papers on gender-studies really belong in a general article about an entertainer?  Nothing everything that mentions Presley's name is germane to the article Lochdale 22:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh dear. I hope this won't escelate into a edit war. I have put the cult-section back into the article. But you are right. It has several problems in its current form. But I think we can fix these problems and turn it into a good part of this article. I have now tried to cut the section into several paragraphs instead of one big. Can you please check and see if the "grouping" is good (yes, my English sucks).81.170.138.232 22:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What happenned to The Elvis Cult section? 

message: This should be its own web page. 
===The fans===
It has been claimed that there are over 500 US fan clubs and that they exist in every state except three: North Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming. According to the American Demographics magazine, 84% of the US people say that their lives have been touched by Elvis Presley in some way, 70% have watched a movie starring Presley, 44% have danced to one of his songs, 31% have bought an Elvis record, CD or video, 10% have visited Graceland, 9% have bought Elvis memorabilia, 9% have read a book about Presley, and 5% have seen the singer in concert.See Elvis People, A Play by Doug Grissom. Not all of these people are Elvis fans. A collection of essays entitled The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media critically examines what distinguishes fans from general audiences and explores the relationship between fans and their adored media products. Part of this volume is the article, "Fandom and Gender" which includes an examination of female fantasies of Presley.See Lisa A. Lewis, The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media (1992). To many of his female fans, the songs Presley sang "were secondary to his personality and the way he performed them," evoking the well-known emotional responses.Roger D. Blackwell, Tina and Kristina Stephan, Brands That Rock: What Business Leaders Can Learn from the World of Rock and Roll (2003), p.33. In her autobiographical article, "Sexing Elvis" (1984), Sue Wise even describes "how she came to terms with her lesbianism through a close identification with the feminine side of the King."Quoted in Kate McGowan, Year's Work in Critical and Cultural Theory Volume 5 (2002), p.199. "Elvis's 'effect' on young girls threatened those men who assumed that young girls needed to be protected both from sex in general and from its expression in questionable characters like Elvis in particular."Joel Foreman, The Other Fifties: Interrogating Midcentury American Icons (University of Illinois Press, 1996), p.136. "Perhaps it is an error of enthusiasm to freight Elvis Presley with too heavy a historical load", as, according to a public opinion poll among high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was "the nearly two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls"; yet, Presley "clearly outshines the other performers in rocknroll's first pantheon."Philip H. Ennis, The Seventh Stream: The Emergence of Rocknroll in American Popular Music (Wesleyan University Press, 1992), p.251-252.
===The ritualization of the Elvis cult===
There can be no doubt that it was primarily "the recording industry, which made Elvis Presley a mythical media demigod." Donald Theall, Virtual Marshall McLuhan (2001), p.129. See also Sylvere Lotringer and Sande Cohen (eds.), French Theory in America (2001), p.114. On August 16, thousands of die-hard Elvis fans travel to Graceland every year in order to celebrate the anniversary of Presley's death.Cameron Tuttle, The Bad Girls' Guide to Open Road (1999), p.192. The ritualization of the Elvis cult is also manifested most prominently through the many live performances by Elvis impersonators.See Annalee Newitz, White Trash: Race and Class in America (1996), p.262. According to Marjorie Garber, "The phenomenon of 'Elvis impersonators,' which began long before the singer's death, is one of the most startling effects of the Elvis cult.Marjorie B. Garber, Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing and Cultural Anxiety (1997), p.369. What is more, David S. Wall has shown that many authors who are writing books and articles on Presley are part of a "worldwide Elvis industry" which has a tendency towards supporting primarily a favorable view of the star. The content of the majority of these publications can be characterized as based on gossip about gossip, only occasionally providing some new surprising details. There are not many critical, unfavorable publications on Elvis's life. An example is Albert Goldman's controversial biography, Elvis (1981), in which the author unfavorably discusses the star's weight problems, his performing costumes and his sex life. Such books are frequently disparaged and harshly attacked by Elvis fan groups. Professor Wall has pointed out that one of the strategies of the various fan clubs and appreciation societies to which the bulk of Elvis fans belong is " 'community policing' to achieve governance at a distance... These organisations have, through their membership magazines, activities and sales operations, created a powerful moral majority" endeavoring to suppress most critical voices. "With a combined membership of millions, the fans form a formidable constituency of consumer power."David S. Wall, “Policing Elvis: legal action and the shaping of post-mortem celebrity culture as contested space”, Entertainment Law, vol. 2, no. 3, 2004, 52-53. According to David Lowenthal, "Everything from Disneyland to the Holocaust Museum, ... from Elvis memorabilia to the Elgin Marbles bears the marks of the cult of heritage."David Lowenthal, The Heritage Crusade and the Spoils of History (Cambridge University Press, 1998). "When it's an exhibition of Elvis memorabilia," even Marilyn Houlberg, professor at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, "puts on the campy art-world hat and becomes a priestess of the Elvis cult."James Elkins, On the Strange Place of Religion in Contemporary Art (2004), p.53. Paul A. Cantor goes as far as to call the American Presley cult "a postmodern simulacrum of the German Hitler cult."Paul A. Cantor, "Adolf, We Hardly Knew You." In New Essays on White Noise. Edited by Frank Lentricchia (Cambridge University Press, 1991), p.53. Some fan groups even refuse to accept the fact of the star's death in 1977 (see the "Elvis lives?" section of this article). In his book Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996), Gilbert Rodman traces in detail Presley's manifestations in contemporary popular and not-so-popular culture. He draws upon the many Elvis "sightings," from Elvis's appearances at the heart of the 1992 presidential campaign to the debate over his worthiness as a subject for a postage stamp, and from Elvis's central role in furious debates about racism and the appropriation of African-American music to the world of Elvis impersonators and the importance of Graceland as a place of pilgrimage for fans and followers. The author further points out that Presley has become inseparable from many of the defining myths of US culture, enmeshed with the American Dream and the very idea of the "United States," caught up in debates about race, gender, and sexuality, and in the wars over what constitutes a national culture. This Presley cult has been much criticized. "As one reader complained: I was really surprised that you used that article about the boring Elvis cult! You would use one on McDonald's?"Rodman, Elvis After Elvis, p.75. 
===Critical voices===
Indeed, there are not only positive voices concerning the singer and his life. During the early years of his career, Country blues guitarist Mississippi Slim constantly criticized Elvis.Dundy, Elvis and Gladys, p.288. According to Jennifer Harrison, "Elvis faced criticism more often than appreciation" from a small town in South Memphis. Jennifer Harrison, Elvis As We Knew Him: Our Shared Life in a Small Town in South Memphis (2003), p.71. "Much criticism has been heaped on Elvis, the Colonel, and others who controlled his creative (or not so creative) output, especially during the Hollywood years."Hopkins, Elvis in Hawaii, p.58. According to Robert A. Segal, Elvis was "a consummate mamma's boy who lived his last twenty years as a recluse in a womblike, infantile world in which all of his wishes were immediately satisfied yet who deemed himself entirely normal, in fact 'all-American.'" Robert A. Segal, Theorizing About Myth (University of Massachusetts Press, 1999), p.109. When a CBS special on Presley was aired on October 3, 1977, shortly after the singer's death, it "received such harsh criticism that it is hard to imagine what the public response to Elvis's degeneration would have been if he had been alive." This special "only seemed to confirm the rumors of drug abuse."Samuel Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power (1989), p.173. In a recent study on the analogy of trash and rock 'n' roll, professor of English and drummer Steven Hamelman demonstrates that rock 'n' roll productions are often trash, that critics often trash rock 'n' roll productions, and that rock 'n' roll musicians often trash their lives. The author uses the tortured lives and premature deaths of Presley, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain in his section on "waste" in order to underscore the literal and figurative "waste" that, in his opinion, is part of rock 'n' roll.See Steven Hamelman, But is it Garbage? (paper): On Rock and Trash (University of Georgia Press, 2004). However, one of the most frequent points of criticism is the overweight and androgyny of the late Las Vegas Presley. Time Out says that, "As Elvis got fatter, his shows got glammier."Time Out at Las Vegas (2005), p.303. It has been said that the star, when he "returned to Las Vegas, heavier, in pancake makeup, wearing a white jumpsuit with an elaborate jewelled belt and cape, crooning pop songs to a microphone ... had become Liberace. Even his fans were now middle-aged matrons and blue-haired grandmothers, who praised him as a good son who loved his mother; Mother's Day became a special holiday for Elvis's fans."Marjorie Garber, Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing & Cultural Anxiety (1992), p.380 According to several modern gender studies, the singer had, like Liberace, presented "variations of the drag queen figure" in his final stages in Las Vegas, when he excessively used eye shadow, gold lamé suits and jumpsuits.See Patricia Juliana Smith, The Queer Sixties (1999), p.116. Although described as a male sex symbol, Elvis was "insistently and paradoxically read by the culture as a boy, a eunuch, or a 'woman' – anything but a man," and in his Las Vegas white "Eagle" jumpsuit, designed by costumer Bill Belew, he appeared like "a transvestite successor to Marlene Dietrich."Garber, p.368. Indeed, Elvis had been "feminized", as Joel Foreman put it.Joel Foreman, The Other Fifties: Interrogating Midcentury American Icons (University of Illinois Press, 1997), p.127. No wonder that "white drag kings tend to pick on icons like Elvis Presley." See Bonnie Zimmerman, Lesbian Histories and Cultures (1999), p. 248. Thus, "Elvis' death did occur at a time when it could only help his reputation. Just before his death, Elvis had been forgotten by society." He was chiefly "referred to as 'overweight and over-the-hill.'"Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power, p.173.
:I hope that the other users will discuss these paragraphs. Lochdale refuses to discuss the content, he only deletes the whole section, although another editor was of the opinion that there is "a lot of great information" in it and IP 81.170.138.232 tried to reinstate it several times. I would say that Lochdale's behavior isn't acceptable. Onefortyone 02:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not submit this to mediation or arbitration then?  The entire section is clearly not encyclopedic (though I am not sure you even know what that means anymore).  The entire section is POV and original research.  Further, given your history of misrepresenting sources it behooves us to stick to well-known sources.  Lochdale 02:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This may indeed be a good idea. As I have cited my sources, among them mainstream biographies, books on the rock 'n' roll era and university studies, my contributions to the Wikipedia article are not POV and certainly not original research, as you falsely claim. But your deleting tactics are POV. You have not yet provided a single source which contradicts the contributions. By the way, your behavior is very similar to that of Ted Wilkes who has been banned for one year because the arbitration case was re-opened. Onefortyone 02:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: PLEASE consider paragraph breaks in these sections. They are basically unreadable. You need to put in paragraph breaks.  Moncrief 11:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. See . I hope the paragraph breaks are now satisfactory to all. Onefortyone 13:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Elvis cult and its critics

message: Indeed, there are not only positive voices concerning the singer and his life. During the early years of his career, Country blues guitarist Mississippi Slim constantly criticized Elvis.Dundy, Elvis and Gladys, p.288. According to Jennifer Harrison, "Elvis faced criticism more often than appreciation" from a small town in South Memphis. Jennifer Harrison, Elvis As We Knew Him: Our Shared Life in a Small Town in South Memphis (2003), p.71. "Much criticism has been heaped on Elvis, the Colonel, and others who controlled his creative (or not so creative) output, especially during the Hollywood years."Hopkins, Elvis in Hawaii, p.58. According to Robert A. Segal, Elvis was "a consummate mamma's boy who lived his last twenty years as a recluse in a womblike, infantile world in which all of his wishes were immediately satisfied yet who deemed himself entirely normal, in fact 'all-American.'" Robert A. Segal, Theorizing About Myth (University of Massachusetts Press, 1999), p.109. When a CBS special on Presley was aired on October 3, 1977, shortly after the singer's death, it "received such harsh criticism that it is hard to imagine what the public response to Elvis's degeneration would have been if he had been alive." This special "only seemed to confirm the rumors of drug abuse."Samuel Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power (1989), p.173. In a recent study on the analogy of trash and rock 'n' roll, professor of English and drummer Steven Hamelman demonstrates that rock 'n' roll productions are often trash, that critics often trash rock 'n' roll productions, and that rock 'n' roll musicians often trash their lives. The author uses the tortured lives and premature deaths of Presley, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain in his section on "waste" in order to underscore the literal and figurative "waste" that, in his opinion, is part of rock 'n' roll.See Steven Hamelman, But is it Garbage? (paper): On Rock and Trash (University of Georgia Press, 2004). However, one of the most frequent points of criticism is the overweight and androgyny of the late Las Vegas Presley. Time Out says that, "As Elvis got fatter, his shows got glammier."Time Out at Las Vegas (2005), p.303. It has been said that the star, when he "returned to Las Vegas, heavier, in pancake makeup, wearing a white jumpsuit with an elaborate jewelled belt and cape, crooning pop songs to a microphone ... had become Liberace. Even his fans were now middle-aged matrons and blue-haired grandmothers, who praised him as a good son who loved his mother; Mother's Day became a special holiday for Elvis's fans."Marjorie Garber, Vested Interests: Cross-Dressing & Cultural Anxiety (1992), p.380 According to several modern gender studies, the singer had, like Liberace, presented "variations of the drag queen figure" in his final stages in Las Vegas, when he excessively used eye shadow, gold lamé suits and jumpsuits.See Patricia Juliana Smith, The Queer Sixties (1999), p.116. Although described as a male sex symbol, Elvis was "insistently and paradoxically read by the culture as a boy, a eunuch, or a 'woman' – anything but a man," and in his Las Vegas white "Eagle" jumpsuit, designed by costumer Bill Belew, he appeared like "a transvestite successor to Marlene Dietrich."Garber, p.368. Indeed, Elvis had been "feminized", as Joel Foreman put it.Joel Foreman, The Other Fifties: Interrogating Midcentury American Icons (University of Illinois Press, 1997), p.127. No wonder that "white drag kings tend to pick on icons like Elvis Presley." See Bonnie Zimmerman, Lesbian Histories and Cultures (1999), p. 248. Thus, "Elvis' death did occur at a time when it could only help his reputation. Just before his death, Elvis had been forgotten by society." He was chiefly "referred to as 'overweight and over-the-hill.'"Roy, Elvis, Prophet of Power, p.173.
:I hope that the other users will discuss these paragraphs. Lochdale refuses to discuss the content, he only deletes the whole section, although another editor was of the opinion that there is "a lot of great information" in it and IP 81.170.138.232 tried to reinstate it several times. I would say that Lochdale's behavior isn't acceptable. Onefortyone 02:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why not submit this to mediation or arbitration then?  The entire section is clearly not encyclopedic (though I am not sure you even know what that means anymore).  The entire section is POV and original research.  Further, given your history of misrepresenting sources it behooves us to stick to well-known sources.  Lochdale 02:35, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This may indeed be a good idea. As I have cited my sources, among them mainstream biographies, books on the rock 'n' roll era and university studies, my contributions to the Wikipedia article are not POV and certainly not original research, as you falsely claim. But your deleting tactics are POV. You have not yet provided a single source which contradicts the contributions. By the way, your behavior is very similar to that of Ted Wilkes who has been banned for one year because the arbitration case was re-opened. Onefortyone 02:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

text: PLEASE consider paragraph breaks in these sections. They are basically unreadable. You need to put in paragraph breaks.  Moncrief 11:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. See . I hope the paragraph breaks are now satisfactory to all. Onefortyone 13:37, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Critical voices

message: This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
* is banned indefinitely from editing articles which concern Elvis Presley. All bans to be logged at Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Elvis#Log_of_blocks_and_bans. 
* remains on probation with respect to editing articles which concern celebrities, see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Onefortyone#Onefortyone_placed_on_Probation.
For the Arbitration committee. Cowman109Talk 20:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Elvis]] 

message: OK! Now I have added some references to sources where it previously said "citation needed". I screwed up in one way but lets talk about that later. First of all, I want some people to check my references, AFTER reading what I have to say about them.
First of all, the "retrieved"-part of a references should state which date it was when I (the person who found the source) found it, right?
I have added references to two facts
* He continued to perform before sell-out audiences around the U.S. until his death in 1977
: Three references has been added, leading to three articles about three different concerts during 1977. Only one of them mention that there were no more tickets left, but all of them mention BIG numbers when they talk about how many there were among the crowd.
* Later that year in Charlotte, North Carolina, Presley was quoted as saying: "The colored folks been singing it and playing it just like I’m doin' now, man, for more years than I know. They played it like that in their shanties and in their juke joints and nobody paid it no mind 'til I goosed it up. I got it from them. Down in Tupelo, Mississippi, I used to hear old Arthur Crudup bang his box the way I do now and I said if I ever got to a place I could feel all old Arthur felt, I’d be a music man like nobody ever saw."
: A reference has been added to an article on TIMEs online website. The problem? It doesnt state that he said that in Charlotte, North Carolina. I found another article that said that the quote comes from "Carolina Journal" or something like that. But that doesnt mean that he said it in North Carolina and it certainly says nothing at all about Charlotte. Also, I didn't like the site where I found that article. It just didn't make any good impression. Should the "Charlotte-Carolina" thing be removed? It's not important where he said (as long he did it standing with his two feet on earth), only the fact that he DID say it is important, right?
How I screwed up? Well when I made this edit, I forgot the edit summary. I also forgot to mark the edit with an m (minor edit). Is it possible to fix this?
PLEASE CHECK THE OUTLOOK/FORM OF THE REFERENCES IN THE NOTE-SECTION!!!
Waiting for some feedback!
Edit: I always forget about this: PureRumble 13:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are all these quotes from fan sites? The best way is to cite from some published books on Elvis or the rock 'n' roll era. Onefortyone 14:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont know if you really can say elvisconcerts.com is a fan-site. It is a comprehensive database over all the tours and concerts that Elvis has performed in. However, those three references that I added lead to COPIES of newspaper-articles, that have been stored at elvisconcerts.com. What I'm trying to say is that elvisconcerts.com have not written them, they have just copied these articles and inserted them into this "database". That is OK, isn't it? I mean, sure we could speculate about if those are true articles or maybe some guy at elvisconcerts.com have written them. But if we reason like that, then can't we question just about everything? Just my thoughts. But now that you know this, if you still find it completely unaccaptable then tell me so I can try to find the real articles. PureRumble 14:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the source is given it may be O.K. to cite this material. Onefortyone 14:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Added some references but I screwed up once again... 

message: OK! Here comes a summary of every reference I have inserted so far (except those that I have already mentioned above):
* The Jimmy Carter quote about the death of Elvis.
: Whoa! This one was bad. It skipped a part of the quote without making the [...]-mark!!! I found that part of the quote useful and I have inserted it. The source is . It seems to be VERY reliable. But one problem! The source does not state when that quote was published. Please take a look at the reference-part in the notes-section. Is it OK that the only date that I have written is when the reference was retrieved?
* The BBC top 100 english language singers list. Elvis was second.
: The source is good here too. It is from bbc news website. One problem, the author of the article has not been stated. Please take a look at the reference in the notes-section. Is it OK that there is no "by"-part in the reference?
Feedback Please! I also want to know if it is safe and OK to delete the "Charlotte, North Carolina"-thing that I wrote about here above? It's not important that he said it in Charlotte, and we only have a source that backs up the fact that he said that quote, not where he said it. PureRumble 15:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More references, More newbie questions... more pain! 

message: So let's see... it's clearly not a encyclopedic-heading. The section is about the women that Elvis was involved with. And the fact that there is a movie/book/song/whatever with the title "Girls! Girls! Girls!" Just makes it all worse! Not a single word in that section mentions ANYTHING about this movie/book/song/whatever "Girls! Girls! Girls!". So tell me, why should the heading be "Girls! Girls! Girls!"? PureRumble 18:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Uh, because it's an Elvis-related title, and is thematic to an article about him? By this same reasoning, why is Alan Clayson's George Harrison biography titled The Quiet One, since Harrison obviously didn't spend his whole life in silence, or Lou Reed's anthology of writings titled Between Thought and Expression, since he didn't express everything he's ever thought? Zephyrad 07:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but those are biographies and anthologies and they are supposed to be interesting to read and maybe even a bit entertaining. An encyclopedia is used to gather knowledge, and because of that it should be easy to find knowledge. If you got a heading with the same name as a movie, then what do you expect of that section? I know this case in particular is a special one, but general rules should be followed. That's what I think. PureRumble 18:49, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; you're misinterpreting my use of those examples, and a casual look at Elvis's movie credits will make the title make sense – if someone doesn't know about the movie already. Zephyrad 05:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'm changing the "Girls! Girls! Girls!"-heading to "The women in his life" 

message: There is a substantial difference between making a collection of trivia instead of a proper page, and including a trivia section at the end of a page. The call was to integrate the trivia into the page, NOT to remove it altogether. UberCryxic does not appear to understand the difference, and if he doesn't want a trivia section (which is included at the end of COUNTLESS Wikipedia pages), then I suggest he either integrate the trivia himself before simply cutting it out... or let him go through every page on Wikipedia with such a section, try deleting all those trivia sections, then try to argue his point. Zephyrad 07:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia section 

message: The bio block with his picture says 1933.  The body text says 1935....
:http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/bio/elvis_overview.asp And I say VANDALISM ;-)
:I'll change it. PureRumble 21:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was he born? 

message: This is my first post, and I'm kind of new at this, so sorry if I bungle things up. Anyway, I was reading the first section of this entry, and this part was really grating to me (cuz I guess I'm a grammar Nazi) ---
His death was premature at 42, despite alarming concerns about his health. When he died on August 16, 1977, it was a huge shock to his fans. However, it soon became clear that a combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs, accelerated his premature departure. However, much confusion, conflict, contradictions and general controversy still surrounds his death. Regardless, his popularity as a singer has survived his death.
There is repetition, and a misuse of the word "despite." My recommendation would be to change it to the following:
He died a premature death at the age of 42 on August 16, 1977. His death was a huge shock to his fans, but there were alarming concerns over his health -- in particular, his combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs. Despite the conspiracy theories and general controversy that still surround his death, his popularity as a singer has survived him.
--This1kid 05:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Grammatical changes. 

message: Theres so much crap in certain sections. Theres practically whole interviews in some sections and several untrue accusations. Most of the sections projects Elvis in a bad light, mind you, some parts are not facts but seem as a biased rant of a bitter person.
:How do you know they're untrue?
Because anybody who knows a fig about Elvis can quickly pick out everything written by user onefortyone. Also--using Dee Stanley or Albert Goldman as sources is pretty laughable. Also--the racist comment attributed to a non-existent Boston interview that never happened (Elvis didn't even go to Boston that year) has been proven false, and Elvis' interactions and camaraderie with African Americans has been well-documented. Jet magazine even interviewed Elvis himself about the false accusation.
:That's right! There IS much of crap and the article DOES put Elvis in bad light...
::So much for the opinions of some Elvis fans who endeavor to suppress any critical voice from the article. However, Wikipedia is not a fan site. Onefortyone 03:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Professor Goldman's book on Lennon was mainly criticized by Lennon fans. Some quotes from his Lennon book may well be included in the Lennon article, as it is a published source. As for his Elvis book, it is a very critical study on Elvis and it is true that Elvis fans hate his book. On the other hand, there are several positive commentaries concerning this book. For instance, Jonathan Yardley of the Washington Post called it a "nasty book, written in spectacularly execrable prose, but the view of Presley that it expressed dovetailed in many instances with my own, and in spite of itself I found things in it to admire." Other Elvis biographers have used the book. Goldman happens to be a thorough researcher and has written many good books on popular culture. The man is an academic with more than a little brainpower. And however much he may have disliked his subject, Elvis, there is no doubt that he was an expert on the man. Therefore, his book on Elvis is certainly an important source, although it was not written to feed the appetites of Elvis fans. .Onefortyone 03:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Elvis's stepmother Dee Presley lived with Elvis and his father for a period of time at Graceland. She certainly knows what was was going on behind closed doors. However, no details from her book are quoted in the Wikipedia article. Onefortyone 03:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: So much crap

message: There is al lot of material on him on Youtube. I miss his music and performances in the article.
When did he perform and what are his albums.
search for Elvis Presley on Youtube--Freek Verkerk 22:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Youtube 

message: Can anyone please tell me if it was lindsay lohan who played priscilla in the mini-series. Its been annoying me for a while. thanks! (FearSneachta 10:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The cast of the Elvis mini series on CBS featured Jonathan Rhys Meyers as Elvis, Camryn Manheim as his mother Gladys, Robert Patrick as his father Vernon, Randy Quaid as Colonel Tom Parker, Rose McGowan as Ann-Margret, and Antonia Bernath as Priscilla Presley. Onefortyone 18:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Elvis: The Early Years 

message: A separate section needs to be dedicated to a filmography. Or perhaps a separate article on it would be necessary. Ekantik 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: What album is that? It sounds pretty good. 147.145.40.43 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Elvis 8-track tape that K plays in the Lincoln Tunnel Scene in "Men In Black" 

message: This article's introduction is hard to read. Can we not have simple declarative sentences without clogging the introduction with details?--Filll 14:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Introduction

message: This article needs some information about his being backed up by The Jordanaires, and after 1970, The Imperials. 
76.211.18.221 03:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backing groups 

message: I have rewritten parts of the special to tie in with my substantial revision and expansion of the separate article on the Special Rikstar 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: '68 Comeback Special and The final years

message: Someone is messing with the article. Adding stupid one line new topics and has removed the picture. I will not have someone messing with Mr. Presley. Stop this shit damnit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da Main Event (talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: stop it idiots

message: All of the albums from the list have been created as of today! I'm not an Elvis expert, so I'm calling on the Elvisphiles to fill in the blanks - I have marked them as stubs.SkierRMH 08:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: All Albums on the Discography pages now created

message: This needs a mention. Circa 1966? - Kittybrewster 12:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw Jack Good's "Elvis" in 1979. Various actors/singers took part, including P.J. Proby and Shakin' Stevens. In the '80's, a play about Elvis ran for a while - "Are You Lonesome Tonight?" - starring Martin Shaw Rikstar 17:04, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: West End of London, Musical "Elvis"

message: This article is a mess.  I'll just point out one example that might otherwise escape notice, because it has a pair of cites next to it: it claims he's an eighth degree black belt in Kenpo.  That's a completely ludicrous rank; unless he found a total McDojo, it can't be correct. It was my understanding that he was perhaps a first or second degree. Someone can train with dedication their whole adult life and never make it to eighth dan.  --GenkiNeko 19:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism/Craziness Everywhere 

message: Something I have not seen mentioned or addressed in the articles I've read about Elvis -- was that he did it all without EVER touring outside of the United States...!!  Apparently he wanted to and had offers and backing to do so, but the Colonel (Parker) disagreed with the notion and would not allow it.  I recall seeing this on a PBS special about Elvis.
He was stationed in Germany during his hitch in the Army, which may have included some travel to other European countries; his movies were sometimes set outside the US - but did he ever work, travel or vacation abroad, or was he too busy here in the US?
Input please...
Dirty Dan the Man 18:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Colonel Parker, who controlled Presley's life and career, would not allow him to tour outside the US because he (Parker) did not have a passport. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Harvey1972 (talk • contribs) 01:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

text: The "Colonel" controlled Presley's life and career, and it was because of him that Presley starred in 31 crap movies which only proved he had no acting ability whatsoever. The real reason he did not tour outside America is because he was a drug addict who only became famous because he stole black music. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HarveyCarter (talk • contribs) 18:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Something of note about Elvis' accomplishments... 

message: Is there an article about Elvis' father?--Vayaka 14:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Vernon was only an unemployable welfare addict. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HarveyCarter (talk • contribs) 18:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father 

message: I'm not sure how reliable this source is, but William Dakota (*1938) claims to have worked as Nick Adams's secretary for some time. As his writings indicate, he seems to have had intimate knowledge about a lot of people in Hollywood, among them Elvis. Curiously, some time ago, this author also visited Wikipedia. See , . Here are some interesting excerpts from his article, "Elvis was bisexual":
*Both Nick and Elvis were bisexual, although both enjoyed men as companions and lovers than women. Elvis was always with the so called Memphis Mafia, more than women. I recall many times that Elvis paid Nick's airfare to Memphis, whenever he visited Graceland. One day they had a falling out and Nick spent the day at the front gate with Elvis's uncle Vester Presley. On several occasions I would be with Nick when he picked up his airline tickets. 
*Elvis took Nick with him on his first cross-country tour. Nick used to warm up audiences by doing impressions of actors. Natalie Wood also went along on the tour, (perhaps as a cover). She liked Elvis but was bored with his life style. 
*One time I walked up to Nick's apartment, (actually the downstairs of a home), in the hills above Ciro's and the Hyatt Hotel on the Sunset strip. I walked around to the side of the house, wanting to surprise and scare Nick by yelling at him. But, when I got near the garage, I heard Bob Conrad talking out loud to Nick and he was telling Nick how sore he was. Conrad was in the bathroom and the window was open with a screen in it. I assumed that they had sex, from their conversation. 
*Nick and Jimmy were hustling money and one time was overheard arguing over who would wear the one, good pair of Levis to hustle in. Nick and Jimmy, while hustling men, became conditioned to this kind of sex and liked it. 
*Elvis was a bit jealous of the attention Nick had been giving to Conrad. (So, was I). Conrad became a constant companion of Nick, riding around in Nick's '57 Thunderbird, eating in restaurants and having their picture taken together. Later, Conrad would also become a close friend to Elvis. A companion of Elvis's (when this article was first written), told me that all of those so called cousins that surrounded and traveled with him, weren't all cousins. Some were alleged to have taken turns sleeping with him. And when someone, in print, alleged that Nick slept in bed with Elvis at Graceland, it was said to the press or the writer, that Elvis had a cot brought into the bedroom and that Nick slept on that. Elvis's bed was big enough for a "dozen people." 
*Elvis was into oral sex and enjoyed getting a blow-job more than intercourse, said Dennis Miller, a former friend and companion. 
*Elvis couldn't (obviously) afford the publicity or to be exposed as being bisexual. His career would have been over. 
*It can only be assumed that the Colonel knew of the relationship between Nick and Elvis because it had been known all around Hollywood about Nick's gay side. (And remember that this story is not a new story. It was published in the Hollywood "Confidential" Star magazine, while he and the Colonel were still alive. 
*Although Nick had a gay side, he was often photographed with young starlets and often with Natalie Wood. He probably even had sex with a few of them. No, I wasn't under Elvis's bed when they had sex and I didn't even see them having sex, and even though Nick dabbled in homosexuality, he never made any advances toward me and he wasn't my type either. We were just good friends. He would often ask me what the gossip was on the Boulevard, and I would tell him, what he already knew, about Tab Hunter, Rock Hudson, George Nader, Rory Calhoun and a few other celebrities. I think he was curious to see if he was being talked about. 
*Recent memorial programs, show many photos that had been taken of Nick, with Elvis and a group of Elvis's friends at Graceland. 
*There were other guys who have had homosexual relations with Elvis. One other gay guy used to hang around the Paramount studio gate, and all of a sudden he had a small part in an Elvis film. 
*Anyone attacking Elvis is highly criticized by his fans. Rona Barrett did it and was swamped with hate mail. Red West's book on Elvis was equally attacked. It was printed after Elvis died, but Elvis had read parts of it while he was still alive and although he hated being exposed, he never attempted to sue anyone. He just hated anything negative being written about him. People in Memphis have always been protective of Elvis and his memory and they even covered up the cause of his death. They won't release the actual autopsy, although they did release a portion stating he had colon problems. Facts are, he died of a drug overdose and had abused drugs for years. But, he is some sort of hero and legend...
If Dakota is right, these quotes strongly suggest that Elvis and his best friend Nick Adams were indeed bisexual. See Bill Dakota, "Elvis was bisexual" Onefortyone 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Bill Dakota was the secretary of Elvis's best friend Nick Adams. Therefore, he certainly must have had intimate knowledge about a lot of people around Elvis. According to Colonel Parker's assistant Byron Raphael and Elvis biographer Alanna Nash, actress Natalie Wood made a snide remark to Elvis's male friends from the Memphis Mafia that she "was not the only one to think Elvis and the guys might be homosexual, especially since Elvis often wore pancake makeup and mascara offstage to accentuate his brooding intensity ..." Byron Raphael and Alanna Nash also say that "tongues wagged" that Elvis and Nick Adams "were getting it on." This is fully in line with Bill Dakota's account. Onefortyone 01:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: It is true that Professor Goldman wrote a very critical study on Elvis and that Elvis fans hate his book. On the other hand, there are also positive commentaries concerning this book. For instance, Jonathan Yardley of the Washington Post called it a "nasty book, written in spectacularly execrable prose, but the view of Presley that it expressed dovetailed in many instances with my own, and in spite of itself I found things in it to admire." Onefortyone 01:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

text: I do not think that the Goldman quote should be removed from the article, as it is from a published Elvis biography and vividly describes that Elvis, after the return from his military service, "was a changed man." Onefortyone 01:28, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Bill Dakota on Elvis's bisexuality

message: Why isn't this article tagged for length? Quadzilla99 08:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Length

message: * From Tupelo-Gainesville Outbreak:
: ... A very young Elvis Presley and his mother were two of the survivors.
Is that real? -- Toytoy 05:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess it is... at least I've heard it before... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.65.214.9 (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Tupelo-Gainesville Outbreak 

message: There is no mention of this rather interesting tidbit. --Vranak 06:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shooting Televisions 

message: Under "Elvis as a victim of Blackmail", there is the phrase, "...are of the opinion that he had molestated the star himself."  As far as I know "molestated" is not a word and should be "molested".  As a new user I cannot edit this article, so either someone else can change it or I will in a few days--if I remember to do so.  Qgroff 16:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it.  Maria202 17:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling Error 

message: Long and lame —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Q8-falcon (talk • contribs) 13:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The introduction needs work 

message: In the beginning of the article it says "... American singer, musician ..."
Wouldn't this be considered redundant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.118.97.76 (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minor Redundancy? 

message: supposedly was a big fan, per AOL..or were they  his?
Elvis was a big Monty Python fan : that was said in Sammy Davis Jnr biography and also by several of his friends in some video specials on Presley.--Suzulu 06:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Elvis and Monty Python

message: With all due respect to Rolling Stone, the term "race music", which was a term that was preferred by the black community at one time, was replaced by the term rhythm and blues in 1948. Using the term "race music" when talking about Elvis in 1954 and 1955 is misleading. It's about 6 years out of date to have anything to do with Elvis. I understand that this is a direct quote, but it should be qualified or eliminated. Steve Pastor 17:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Overnight, it seemed, 'race music', as the music industry had labeled the work of black artists, became a thing of the past, as did the pejorative 'hillbilly' music."  Um, well, see above comment. A further inaccuracy in this direct quote has to do with the term hillbilly. You may have heard of rockabilly. Apparently whoever wrote this hasn't. Steve Pastor 14:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Race Music

message: Would I be right in saying that some of his songs may be in the public domain in the UK as it's only 50 years over here before copyright expires on recorded works? I suppose US copyright law prevents us from adding the whole tracks to the article? What if we were to host the tracks on a UK server? Supposed 05:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK public domain 

message: Here is Amazon.com's description of the book "Beginning with the Royal Ontario Museum's Into the Heart of Africa exhibition, and following through with discussions of Show Boat, Miss Saigon, the exhibition of the Barnes Collection at the Art Gallery of Ontario, the 'Writing Thru Race' conference in Vancouver, and the ill-fated attempts to acquire a licence for a black/dance radio station in Toronto, the authors examine manifestations of racism in Canada's cultural production over the last decade."  It is not a book about Elvis, and it is obvious that the authors did not do their homework on "Hound Dog". Furthermore, is is simply not true that Little Richard had been forgotten. Steve Pastor 21:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Carol Tator, Winston Matthis, Frances Henry, Challenging Racism in the Arts (University of Toronto Press, 1998), p.134. 

message: I'm surprised it's not been mentioned anywhere here or on the article. I'm not going to bother putting it in because I wouldn't know where to start, but perhaps someone who would know can do it?NewYork1956 20:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: <i>American Idol</i> duet with Celine Dion

message: I've noticed something troubling in the relationship section. Most of the statements don't match the sources cited, or worse are interpretations of them (ie. Original Research), not to mention that there is a great deal of selective quoting with the apparent purpose of creating a new narrative aimed at labeling Presley a homosexual or bisexual who didn't sleep with women much or if at all. This deception doesn't really worry me that much, as no ones going to believe such rubbish anyway (accusing John Holmes of being a virgin would be a similar situation), but we might as well stick to something more accurate. Two of the most reliable primary sources available, Lamar Fike (one of elvis' closest and oldest friends) and David Stanley (Elvis' step brother), both of whom were around Elvis for most of life - and near the end of his life up to 24hrs a day (This is detailed in the book: The Elvis Encyclopedia by David Stanley), state numerous times that Elvis was a frequent womanizer who slept with many women (even during his marriage to Priscilla). They make zero mention of any homosexual relationships or of any incestrous relationships and that have been proposed in hearsay and secondary sources. Also, need I mention that that both these rumours surfaced years after Elvis had died? (hint, hint, exploitation anyone?). 
:You are wrong. The many paragraphs you have deleted are well-sourced and certainly not original research, as all the sources (Elvis biographies, university studies, books published by people who knew Elvis, eyewitness accounts etc.) are accurately cited. Would you please provide evidence that "the statements don't match the sources cited" as you falsely claim. It is nowhere said in the article that Elvis was homo- or bisexual or that he slept with his mother (though there is some evidence that this may have been the case). You say that your sources are Elvis's friend Lamar Fike and Elvis's stepbrother David Stanley. May I ask you for some direct quotes from the sources you have used. Significantly, user Lochdale, who was banned from the Elvis article some months ago, also repeatedly claimed that Elvis was a frequent womanizer who slept with hundreds of women, although many other sources, among them Priscilla Presley and many girls he had dated, say otherwise. Could it be that this user has now reappeared using another name? Onefortyone 05:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You have deleted large blocks of well-sourced information simply because this information is not in line with your personal view of Elvis the womanizer. This is not acceptable. Onefortyone 05:22, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missmatched Sources and Original Research

message: Here is the complete text of a personal letter from Colonel Parker to his secretary (8/25/58). In 1958, with Elvis Presley serving in the U.S. Army and Colonel Tom Parker conducting business from his management office in Madison, Tennessee, Trude Forsher, Elvis and Parker's personal secretary, took care of business at their offices on the west coast. In this 1958 letter to Mrs. Forsher, Colonel Parker catches up with news after a difficult month in which Elvis' beloved mother, Gladys, passed away. It reads: 
:August 25th, 1958
:Dear Trudy and Bruno and Children; 
:I have been very busy looking after everything in Memphis so you know that we did not have much time to answwr [sic] all mail right away.  I have just returned for a few Days [sic] at the office but I must again take off in a few Days [sic] to look after everything in Texas and on to New York, Nicky Admas [sic] came out to be with Elvis last Week wich [sic] was so very kind of him to be there with his friend. 
:I sure wish you all the luck with our TV setup so keep your fingers crossed One [sic] never knows in this business.  I know Elvis appreciate [sic] very much.  I will have the girls enclose your wire in the special scrapbook I am making up for him with all thw [sic] wires and cards from all the friends. 
:I do not know at present when I will get out to the Coast again, however the way things are at present One never knws [sic] I may be out shortly on some business with the Morris office, I will of course call you in event I come out. 
:Glad to know the boys are doing great they both are very smart and I know both of you are proud of them. 
:Give our love to Anna and Dolfi when you see them.  Mr. Diskin joins me also with best wishes. Judy Spreckels also came all the way to Memphis to be with Elvis for the Funeral this was very kind of her also. And I know Elvis did appreciate this so very much. 
:There were many flowers from all over and I know you can understand that we had our hands full with looking after all the details for the Family. 
:Take care of yourself and write when you have time.  Mrs. Parker is now back home getting her yard back in order with the flowers.  She wishes to be rememberred [sic] to all of you. 
:Sincerely, The Colonel 
Provenance: Trude Forsher Archive (Letter of Authenticity from Mrs. Forsher's son). 
This letter proves how close Nick Adams and Judy Spreckels were to the singer at that time. Onefortyone 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Interesting primary source