Talk:Epididymal hypertension/Archive 1

message: I feel that this page needs a section on the social implications of blue balls.  However, 1) I don't feel entirely qualified to write about it and 2) I've already been accused of being overly politically correct this week on the pump so I'm not being bold, and I figured I'd discuss it first.  Something about blue balls being a common tactic (at one time, less so now) for adolescent men to pressure young women into sex, or as an excuse for sexual assault.  And make it clear that the thing to do about them is to masturbate, not blame the person you're with for not taking care of your erection for you.  moink 18:00, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: that is a good idea, I thought it was fake and used SOLEY as a trick...Oreo man 02:01, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, my health teacher actually told our class that blue balls didn't exist.  Imagine my surprise later in life when I expereinced it for the first time :-(. (DonGaspar 01:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Social aspects 

message: Something I've long wondered: is there a more technical, medical name that answers to the colloquial and maybe even vulgar "blue balls"? Judging by the external links, it doesn't seem that there is. --Iustinus 21:25, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: someone has suggested moving the page to prostatic congestion.  You can discuss the move on Wikipedia:requested moves.  delldot | talk 05:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

text: The most general term I've seen, which applies to either gender, is pelvic congestion, so I added a sentence about it and created a redirect page from that term. We could also work it the other way around by making the article more general, renaming it "pelvic congestion," and making "blue balls" redirect to it. I have no strong feelings about either option--Officiallyover 10:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like "pelvic congestion" more as the actual article name with "blue balls" going here as it covers both genders better. That would require some article work than a simple name change though to generalize it a bit more. I think it would come across as more professional though compared to documenting a slang term, albeit widely used. -- Northgrove 12:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical term 

message: I changed the word "disrupted" because it sounded like it meant something abnormal was happening. I changed the language about lymphatic fluid because I can't regard lymph as flowing to the end tissues. There could be increased production or pooling of lymph at the tissues due to a greater perfusion pressure, so that's what I described. Finally, cold water does not stimulate blood flow "throughout the body," and it does not sound like it would stimulate blood flow to the scrotum. Cold generally decreases blood flow to the skin, hence your skin turns paler in the cold and you lose less heat through it. Experiments have shown this decreased blood flow directly.    If it worked the other way around, your skin would radiate heat even faster as it got colder. Penis_size#Flaccid_Length says that "one general physiological response to cold is decreased circulation of blood to the appendages. As the size of the penis very much relies on blood supply, this results in a decreased flaccid size." Finally, pseudoephedrine causes constriction of peripheral arterioles too, so if it does treat blue balls, this fits with the idea that cold causes the same constriction. I kept both possible mechanisms of action of the cold shower for now, however, and I wrote this long-winded justification because if I had changed the explanation to merely "decreased blood flow" then one of our references—which looks otherwise very well written—would contradict our article. --Officiallyover 11:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Factual edits I just made 

message: The medical tone of this article is preposterous.  "Blue balls" is of course a slang term, but there is no corresponding legitimate medical equivalent term because there is no such medical condition.  It's just a slang way to say you haven't come in a while.  I would delete the bulk of this article but I know someone will just revert it.
:Did you even read the fucking article? It clearly defines the medical causes of this condition.
:PS: "pelvic congestion" (Unsigned)
:I agree that Blue Balls isn't a medical condition, and that it's not equivalent to prostratic, pelvic or vasocongestion.  Like the OP said, it's simply the state of straining for relief if you haven't come in a while.  Let's not make a disease out of everything, people.  Maikel 09:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a medical term! 

message: Two things I don't like about the "blue balls excuse" part:
1.) Telling the person who's turning you on that you have blueballs doesn't necessarily mean you are pressuring them to have sex or get you off (though I'm sure that does happen sometimes, unfortunately).  Often, it's merely to explain why you are groaning and limping after an intense make-out session.  there's nothing shameful about being honest with your partner.  
 
2.) Who says blueballs can only be used to pressure WOMEN into having sex?  I'm sure gay men might use blueballs as an excuse  to pressure their partners into having sex, especially if their partners can sympathize with the condition.  that doesn't make coersion right, but I'm sure it's not limited to just guys tricking girls
:AFAIK, one of the issues is historically at least it wasn't something that women (or girls more likely) knew much about or could find out much about. There is this perception at least that girls/women were led to believe that blue balls was something that could only  be 'cured' by sex when in fact it will go away by itself and masturbation would work just as well. On the other hand, we can expect most gay guys would be less likely to be taken in by these claims. And as I've stated, the perception is this is primarily an excused used by teens, not e.g. by 30 year olds. And even today (and especially in the yesteryears) it's probably fair to say that many gay teens are still struggling with their sexuality and so are less likely to be having sex with guys or at least less likely to be dating guys. Of course, I'm sure blue balls can and has been attempted on men as well I'm just pointing out the fact the current gay population is only by most estimates 20% at most and the fact that it seems most likely to be a less useful excuse on other gays and the fact as I've said it's more likely to be something used by younger people all adds up to mean it probably was and is significantly less commonly used by gay men/boys. Of course, we should still be neutral and talk about partners rather then women. P.S. I am a guy. And also quite tired so forgive me for rambling. P.P.S. I forgot to mention that gay men tend to be more promiscious or less restrictive with sex also means there is probably less need for the excuse Nil Einne 23:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 14:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Balls Excuse 

message: Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
* Support per nom. --Deenoe 02:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: there are some informations noone wants to know, fix it if you can,
now (5) minutes later they just disappeared, i`m fearful of a new sort of wiki vandalism, better check that, sometimes the site has some info on someones penis on it, and no, i´m not on drugs —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.47.191.232 (talk • contribs) 
:The history shows that this page has been vandalised a few times today, all of which was reverted very quickly
:*vandalised 01:32 reverted 01:33
:*vandalised 06:30 reverted 06:31
:*vandalised 18:04-18:12
:*vandalised 18:25-18:26 both vandals reverted 18:26
:However, there were no edits to the article at all around the time you posted here (21:08 and 21:12). The most probable cause is that you saw a cached version of the page that contained vandalism, and after you clicked back from thsi talk page to the article your cache updated to the version where the vandalism had already been removed. Thryduulf 22:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  this page has a problem, i can`t edit all of it 

message: :The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
Blue balls → Pelvic congestion — Unlike the last move request, the primary justification for this one is not that pelvic congestion is a "more medical term". Wikipedia has articles for plenty of colloquialisms—though it's true that when dealing with medical issues, the terminology used by health professionals is generally preferable to slang. Indeed, slang is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28medicine-related_articles%29#Naming_conventions:
:"The article title should be the scientific or recognised medical name rather than the lay term or a historical eponym that has been superseded. These alternative names may be specified in the lead. Create redirects to your article to help those searching with alternative names. For example, heart attack redirects to myocardial infarction."
Since there does seem to be strong precedent for using the less-common medical term instead of the more-common slang one (hell, "heart attack" is much less slangy than "blue balls", yet it's redirected to Myocardial infarction!), that is the secondary justification for this move.
However, the primary justification is simply this: the article discusses both male and female congestion, but obviously females cannot have "blue balls". Having a section called "Blue balls#In women" is both misleading and inaccurate—plus it just sounds ridiculous. Yet the article isn't long enough to merit a split into separate pages for male and female congestion (and having another article called "pink ovaries" or something obviously wouldn't help with the secondary problem!), so the only really neutral and accurate way of presenting this information would seem to be replacing the male-specific term with a gender-neutral one. That, plus the strong precedent for cases like heart attack (redirected to myocardial infarction) and runny nose (redirected to rhinorrhea), seems sufficient to me to justify a page-move, despite how common the phrase "blue balls" is (in the United States, at least).
By the way, it should be noted that the main reason past move requests have been rejected has simply been because they were inaccurate: blue balls is not vasocongestion, nor is it prostatic congestion. Also note that this article move is not being proposed because "blue balls" is synonymous with "pelvic congestion": a medical synonym for blue balls would probably look more like "acute testicular congestion" or "male pelvic congestion". Rather, the move is being proposed because "pelvic congestion" more accurately describes the article's contents, which deal with both male and female congestion. -Silence 21:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 21:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose - The move is unneeded and inaccurate. It is trying to solve a problem that does not exist by moving a generally known term to an obscure and inaccurate word. See: Wikipedia: Wikipedia is not censored. This is an article about a slang term - like the slang word fuck, which is not merged with sexual intercourse or the slang word "cunt", which is not merged into either of the words vagina or vulva. - Davodd 21:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New requested move 

message: Add  * Support  or  * Oppose  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.
*Support per nom. The article discusses both male and female congestion, so "blue balls" is an (amusing) misnomer. Moreover, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles) is quite clear in favoring medical terminology over colloquialisms, even when the colloquialism is more common (e.g., heart attack). -Silence 21:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.  Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.</div>
This article has been renamed  as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 21:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Oppose - The move is unneeded and inaccurate. It is trying to solve a problem that does not exist by moving a generally known term to an obscure and inaccurate word. See: Wikipedia: Wikipedia is not censored. This is an article about a slang term - like the slang word fuck, which is not merged with sexual intercourse or the slang word "cunt", which is not merged into either of the words vagina or vulva. - Davodd 21:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Somebody appears to have added a 6-word piece of vandalism to the first para of the article "Cause" ("...or a date with Ellen Truxaw").  While it's quite amusing, it's not in the Wiki spirit... 
As a rank newbie, I haven't done any editing, but have left that to my more experienced colleagues.  I would be interested to learn how to draw attention to any apparent vandalism one spots while browsing.  For example, will this contribution automatically be brought to the attention of anybody, or is there another mechanism I should use to ensure it doesn't lay dormant until somebody stumbles across it?
BTW, as a Brit I would remark that the expression "blue balls" is not particularly common in the UK, and in my experience is used more by Americans.  But I'm unable to suggest a UK-English equivalent.
Geoffreywatson 07:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I am not qualified to edit this article, however I think more note should be made of extreme conditions. Vasocongestion can, in extreme cases, lead to extended periods of unbearable pain (to the point of loosing the ability to walk, speak coherently, or use the washroom, and almost to the point of loosing consciousness). This is not necessarily related to either priapism or orchalgia, and can occur to a person who suffers from neither.
Shadowlance 20:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extremes 

message: I think this article must be merged with Pelvic congestion, because is the same term. Applied to both genres. --andres.- --201.244.129.63 01:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No it is not. This is a sizable article about a common slang term, its meaning, and its uses in society. It should not be merged any more than fuck should be merged into sexual intercourse, cunt into vagina, asshole into anus, or shit into feces. - Davodd 21:25, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  This is a valid argument, and I vote that blue balls should remain a separate article from both Vasocongestion and pelvic congestion. However, those two articles seem less distinct and may need merging.Dukeofwulf (talk) 17:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with Pelvic congestion 

message: Treatment Citation?
No citation appears on the treatment.
I can personally testify that it doesn't work :-S  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.6.205 (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just... elevate your legs above the level of your heart for five minutes.  Apart from being effective, you can safely do this in the company of others ;) Hakluyt bean (talk) 01:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Treatment 

message: Shouldn't the technical/medical name of this condition be used for the title, as well as when refering to it in the article, as opposed to using the slang term "blue balls" repeatedly? Sahuagin (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not necessarily. Wikipedia naming conventions give preference to the most common term. See WP:NAME. __meco (talk) 18:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: Pretty sure that finding blood in your semen is a problem: . In fact, visible amounts of blood passed through the urethra should always be checked with a qualified professional (just one example: ).
I would suggest deleting this section if citations are not provided soon.
213.143.18.23 (talk) 13:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other side effects 

message: Interesting comments (with references to Wikipedia) here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/a9zc7/men_of_reddit_have_you_ever_experienced_blue/
75.84.238.18 (talk) 08:41, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reddit thread 

message: so is the fluid sperm? or what fluid is the article informing us about?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.164.201.38 (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  fluid? 

message: I've spent a few hours copyediting this article to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. The following text is moved here from the article page under the Every Thing Must Be Verifiable and No Original Research mandates as I cannot find any information from reliable sources (or any sources) to back up these claims:
Other side effects
Some men may also experience other side effects. These can vary from a minor headache that generally wears off after a couple of minutes or muscle cramps or grumpiness. (Grumpiness more likely due to the lack of orgasm rather than the physical effects). In other more severe cases it has been known for men to suffer from stomach pains, and upset or a loose stomach combined with intense stomach cramps.
The prostatic congestion and pain/tenderness or edema of the testes, and is misconceptionally  believed to have the symptom of a blue tinged scrotum (from the notion that blue equals pain, as in a bruise or black eye, which can also appear blue). 
Sexually transmitted infection
Some men who are infected with sexually transmitted lymphogranuloma venereum may experience enlarged lymph nodes in the groin that become fluctuant and unable to flush lymphatic fluid correctly, resulting in edema (swelling) of the affected area and discoloration.
Treatment
The easiest way to relieve the symptoms of blue balls is ejaculating. The resultant ejaculation jump-starts the sympathetic nervous system, which increases blood flow through the penis area, dissipating the fluid buildup. Even without orgasm, the symptoms of blue balls usually subside within an hour of onset, but they can also last much longer, up to 24–48 hours or longer. Simply lying down can also sometimes help the pain associated with blue balls. A male suffering from 'Blue Ball' can also relieve pain by carefully lying on his left hand side and gently raising his right knee to his stomach. By doing this, it will relieve the subject of any accumulated gas that may have compiled over the space of time the male is aroused.
One folk remedy for blue balls is the cold shower. Putting cold substances on the crotch supposedly helps stimulate the muscles that control blood flow.
Wearing a jockstrap (or other form of support) can alleviate some of the discomfort caused by the condition.
Please feel free to re-add any of the above information if reliable sources are found to back up these claims. - Davodd (talk) 08:29, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree; Wikipedia does not exist to be useful per se and shouldn't be giving medical advice anyways (especially without citations.) OSborn arfcontribs. 20:32, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  And I disagree with your disagreeing. I'm sure you know about the "Citation needed" and "fact" tags which should always be used where citations are missing instead of deleting useful information. For what you said, seems you don't much care about the usefulness of the knowledge. What do you believe information is for? Besides, it has been proven that informed patients have better chances of positive outcomes and it is widely accepted that dispensing knowledge to patients is much needed and appreciated (Woolf, Steven H., MD, MPH et al., "Promoting Informed Choice: Transforming Health Care To Dispense Knowledge for Decision Making", Anals of Internal Medicine - http://www.annals.org/content/143/4/293.short). Enrich a public source of information like Wikipedia and help people get more informed instead of trying to hamper people's rightful actions to spread useful knowledge. Spreading information is *not* giving medical advice and never will be. H15 H16N355 |K1N6 M3 (T47K) 01:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Reliable sources were found to back up the some key claims made, therefore, the "treatment" section has been put back at its place. Anyone can feel free to find more reliable sources and add them to the article or remove any unsourced claims within the section. H15 H16N355 |K1N6 M3 (T47K) 02:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncited(able)/Unverified(able) text moved here from article page. 

message: While I can understand your perspective of thinking Blue balls condition is a hoax to get girls to put out, that is not the reality.  I suffer from Blue Balls when I start masturbating (no ejaculation) then stop for 20-40 minuets but still stay in an excited state (not erection necessarily) but still mentally and physically stimulated.  After this time I get a very painful dull ache in both my testicles.  If I ejaculate it does not easy the pain at all.  The pain lasts for 40 - 60 minuets.  I assume the post below about this real condition is trolling or an immature individual.
Also I have Varicocele condition on one of my testes.  I think this intensifies the pain due to poor blood circulation but that is just a hypothesis.   
24.239.116.215 (talk) 02:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue balls is not a lie 

message: Although you'd think the treatment is obvious, the article should perhaps indicate this. Plus one of the people who commented above mentions a possible medical condition that might be related to symptoms. Perhaps this article should be expanded a little beyond the sexual slang aspect? 70.72.221.229 (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Treatment" 

message: বাংলায় এটা নিয়ে আর্টিকেল তৈরী করা উচিৎ Ashfaqur Rahman AAkash (talk) 04:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Ball 

message: Do painkiller gels (e.g. Voltaren / diclofenac gel) or painkiller pills (e.g. Tylenol / acetaminophen / Advil / ibuprofen) successfully treat "blue balls"? TealHill (talk) 06:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Painkillers 

message: An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Blue walls. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  Hildeoc (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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