Talk:La Toya Jackson

message: I've always understood that her name is "Latoya" and not "La Toya". That's how it appears on her album covers.--190.96.58.41 (talk) 14:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is spelled as two words on her own publicity website. That's good enough for me. Krychek (talk) 15:49, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Spelling of name

message: "She was also repeatedly molested by her father and brothers as confirmed in her brother Tito's book slated for an early 2008 release, entitled "Livin' Large"[4]"
I can't find any record of this book?
Yeh neither can I? Is it even a real book...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.121.179 (talk) 11:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Tito Jackson book

message: In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:55, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: LaToya is a gay icon. Not to me, lol. 80.41.122.6 18:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gay Icon Project 

message: I would like the sales to be fixed on this page. It is grossly incorrect and should be fixed. 198.54.202.100 21:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect sales! 

message: There are a lot of assertions made in this article with no citations. They need to be added, ASAP, or I will come back within around a week and make major cuts and revisions to the article. Pacian 21:53, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV 

message: The cleanup template should not have been removed when there was no clean up done.  The article does not follow many of Wikipedia's stlye guidelines.  Individual years should not be linked to.  "La Toya" should be refered to as "Jackson" throughout the entire article after the first mention of her full name.  Only the first word in each heading should be capitalized unless proper nouns are present.  The song titles in the discography should be placed in quotes.  Also, the writing/grammar is very poor in many parts.  For example: "La Toya was brought into the spotlight with her family after her father got the family to get together to perform several shows".  And the article does need citiations.  Somebody seems to have added  markers to the article, but they were removed.  Articles need to cite sources.  --Musicpvm 18:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because I don't feel like cleaning it up at the moment.  I may later.  Why do you think Wikipedia has cleanup templates?  That is what they are used for.  When somebody sees that an article is in need of cleanup, they can place the template at the top to alert others.  They are not required to clean it up themselves.  What do you mean "there is not possible way to provide" citations?  You removed  templates in areas that definitely need citations.  The article makes strong claims yet lacks any references.  You seem to be unaware of Wikipedia's policies.  Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources.  If you lack the ability to search for sources, don't just remove all of them.  You have already done so twice.   .  The second time with the ridiculous explanation "Some things don't need citations. Some things are clearly stated as being from La Toya's book."  If the source is her book, then cite the book and the page number.  Also, please sign your comments on talk pages.  --Musicpvm 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Musicpvm, good response to User:Rhythmnation2004.  I was wondering about something.  I have been under the impression, perhaps mistaken, that individual years do need links.  Whether that is especially or only on the first reference to that year, my understanding is unclear.  If you could point me to an appropriate policy or guideline that shows me where I'm wrong, I would really appreciate it, especially if you were willing to place it on my talk page.  I only request that because I have hundreds of pages on my watchlist, so its usefulness has been reduced to almost zero.  Thanks in advance.  --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 07:53, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: DT - The code for a citation needed is , for an unreferenced section is , and for an unferenced article is . - Cheers, Froid (talk) 08:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

text: Much of this article still reads like a tell-all book, written from a single point of view. It should be rewritten from a neutral and objective point of view.Landroo (talk) 16:51, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article still needs a lot of cleanup 

message: This article has been tagged for almost 6 months now, and I think it is time to add citations where they are needed. Can an administrator please point out exactly what needs citations? I will be happy to find the sources and add them, but I need to know where there is a citation needed. Thanks. Rhythmnation2004 17:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: I removed the link to - The No Relations La Toya fansite because the website hasn't been updated in 2 years and is very poorly maintained. In addition, the Geocities ads on the side are extremely frustrating. Only one fan site needs to be listed, and that is the Church of La Toya, which has a links page and links to other fan sites, most of which are also poorly maintained. Rhythmnation2004 16:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Relations fan page 

message: insists that :Image:Latoyatile.jpg is a proper image for this page.  The image is a tile print that the user made himself of Jackson.  In my opinion it looks almost nothing like her and has no place on this page.  Does anyone else have thoughts on it?  Metros 17:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I intend no offense or incivility when I say this, but simply honesty: That picture looks as much like a sock puppet as it does La Toya Jackson. If it doesn't actually reflect the subject of the article, it doesn't belong. Bladestorm 17:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Metros continues to abuse admin powers by removing all listed awards and achievements from the La Toya Jackson article, despite the fact that all of the more obscure awards were properly sourced and the other ones were common knowledge (such as, La Toya Jackson provinging background vocals on Michael Jackson's Thriller (album), which can not be proven other than a scan of the album's inlay). Metros' rationale behind this was that images of the awards themselves, which were the sources given, were not acceptable. I asked Metros to show me which Wikipedia policy stated this, and he refused, probably because there isn't any. In addition, Metros went so far as to say that some of the awards were not notable and not worthy of being referenced on the article, including, but not limited to, such prestigious awards as tributes from U.S. congress, the NAACP Medal of Freedom, and a recognition certificate from the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, among other things. 
This is not the first time that Metros has used his personal hatred towards the subject of the article to belittle her by removing any part of the article that glorifies her achievements. This violates the Wikipedia policy of Neutral point of view, a policy which Metros constantly quotes. Rhythmnation2004 19:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Then why does this RfC start with you railing against my continued abuse of admin powers?  RfCs are supposed to be neutral.  They are supposed to present the broad view of the topic at hand, not one side's complaint.  A statement like "Comments are requested on the reliability of the sources given in the awards and achievements section" is more appropriate than "Metros is removing this information and he did a bunch of other bad things." Metros 13:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm amazed that responding to the first six words of your initial RfC statement is explained as "trying to change the subject". But if I ignore your wrong claims about Metros and the fact that this is the wrong forum for them, I still have to say that images are usually (and in this case as well) not reliable sources. If an award, recognition, medal, ... is truly important, there have to be a number of independent reliable media (newspapers, magazines, ...) that have reported about it. This may require some searching, but that is the burden of the one wanting to include such claims. Poorly sourced claims, especially about living persons, may be removed by other editors. Fram 18:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

text: I was working with the contentious aspect of BLP as in it caused contention among Wikipedia editors.  Rhythmnation2004 kept adding a comment that she was a Grammy-award winning person but kept failing to source it or sourcing it inappropriately.  Other editors tried to remove it but he forced it back in saying (through this IP edit) that "it's common knowledge that La Toya is a grammy-winning songwriter for "Reggae Nights". YOU are welcome to contact the Grammy corporation for confirmation."  Because there was contention on this and the other awards, I removed them.  Do you think I am interpreting the BLP differently?  Inappropriately?  To me, there was contention and that's why I removed with this in mind: "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material...about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles."  Metros 18:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think that your interpretation of WP:BLP is overbroad in that respect.  Look at the the text under the subheading regarding contentious material.  It says, "Where the material is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced." (emphasis mine).  The rest of the content also refers to material that is negative in tone.  My reading of that is that BLP is primarily about negative or harmful content.  This is not to say that there's anything wrong with removing unsourced material that you believe to be inaccurate.  I just don't think that you can or need to justify it with BLP.  This does mean that repeatedly removing the content may run you into 3RR, though, which is not the case for a BLP violation.  -Chunky Rice 18:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the lead of the BLP policy states "whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable" (right where the ... is in the part I quoted in my first reply.  So I've interpreted as regarding all material based on that.  Metros 18:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  I agree that BLP applies per that sentence.  I do find it odd that very little fo the rest of the policy supports it, though (including the statement by Jimbo that the sentences references).  Given that, I still think that the emphasis of the policy is about negative/potentially harmful content. -Chunky Rice 19:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Wandering by--there is a point about unsourced positive comment--it might be untrue; BLPs can be a problem in both directions, though I think the wording back there needs to be fixed up.  But in this case, though, I cannot see what the problem is. I thought there was a list of such awards. Either there is an award, or there isn't. If there is, it can be sourced. Asserting a Grammy and saying one can not source it, that seems a little odd. But maybe I misunderstand-- it seems too simple. DGG 03:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for comment 

message: *La Toya's appearances in music videos, such as "L.A. Is My Lady" and "Say Say Say" do not require sources, as anyone can watch the videos and see this for themselves. Yet, these references were removed.
*La Toya's status as resident performer of the Moulin Rouge does not require a source, as thousands of people saw it themselves and also, a soundtrack was released. See Formidable.
*La Toya provided background vocals on Michael Jackson's Thriller (album). This does not require a source as anyone can open the album's inlay and see that La Toya is listed as one of the backing vocalists.
It is blatantly obvious that the user that removed all of these awards and other achievements is attempting to make La Toya Jackson look like a joke, by only providing two sourced achievements in the article.Rhythmnation2004 20:04, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Certain awards that need to be noted

message: Okay, first of all, this RfC is improperly structured.  It should be presented as a neutral statement (i.e. "Should this content be included?") not a clearly POV finger pointing statement.
That said, my take on the matter is this:  Photos and videos from a user content site like youtube or imageshack or wherever are certainly not reliable sources.  Aside from the fact that it calls for conclusions to be made that aren't immediately obvious (subject of the photo, what's happening), such user based content could be manipulated or misrepresentative.  On the other hand, if her name appears in the liner notes (or in any sort of credit reel), that doesn't call for any conclusion and certainly should be included (and referenced to the source, if necessary).  If the subject truly did receive an award, there is likely a better record than some random photo.  Even a primary source, like the subject's own bio would probably be acceptable here.  Even better would be the award giver itself, since they generally keep a record of such things.
Second, as far as removing unsourced material goes, I'm never really against it, but I don't think that removing awards and appearances falls under WP:BLP which clearly states that it's about contentious and potentially libelous material.  Outside of BLP, if an editor suspects that unsourced material may be inaccurate or can't tell, then removal is fine.  I would frown upon a user removing information that they believed to be accurate, that wasn't contentious just because sourcing was insufficient, though. I just don't see the point.
Finally, as far as the abuse of admin powers goes, that's probably beyond the scope of this RfC, but it's unclear to me what, if any, admin powers were used here.  Looks like a straight up content dispute to me, in which one of the involved parties happens to be an admin.
So, that's my take.  Hope it helps. -Chunky Rice 18:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I was working with the contentious aspect of BLP as in it caused contention among Wikipedia editors.  Rhythmnation2004 kept adding a comment that she was a Grammy-award winning person but kept failing to source it or sourcing it inappropriately.  Other editors tried to remove it but he forced it back in saying (through this IP edit) that "it's common knowledge that La Toya is a grammy-winning songwriter for "Reggae Nights". YOU are welcome to contact the Grammy corporation for confirmation."  Because there was contention on this and the other awards, I removed them.  Do you think I am interpreting the BLP differently?  Inappropriately?  To me, there was contention and that's why I removed with this in mind: "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material...about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles."  Metros 18:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do think that your interpretation of WP:BLP is overbroad in that respect.  Look at the the text under the subheading regarding contentious material.  It says, "Where the material is derogatory and unsourced or poorly sourced." (emphasis mine).  The rest of the content also refers to material that is negative in tone.  My reading of that is that BLP is primarily about negative or harmful content.  This is not to say that there's anything wrong with removing unsourced material that you believe to be inaccurate.  I just don't think that you can or need to justify it with BLP.  This does mean that repeatedly removing the content may run you into 3RR, though, which is not the case for a BLP violation.  -Chunky Rice 18:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the lead of the BLP policy states "whether negative, positive, or just highly questionable" (right where the ... is in the part I quoted in my first reply.  So I've interpreted as regarding all material based on that.  Metros 18:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough.  I agree that BLP applies per that sentence.  I do find it odd that very little fo the rest of the policy supports it, though (including the statement by Jimbo that the sentences references).  Given that, I still think that the emphasis of the policy is about negative/potentially harmful content. -Chunky Rice 19:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

text: Wandering by--there is a point about unsourced positive comment--it might be untrue; BLPs can be a problem in both directions, though I think the wording back there needs to be fixed up.  But in this case, though, I cannot see what the problem is. I thought there was a list of such awards. Either there is an award, or there isn't. If there is, it can be sourced. Asserting a Grammy and saying one can not source it, that seems a little odd. But maybe I misunderstand-- it seems too simple. DGG 03:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment by uninvolved third party

message: I've modified a few statements.  Firstly LaToya in her book cited, makes it very clear that she chose to be in that religion, so I've made that clear here.  Secondly she didn't spend "most" of her time witnessing.  Her witnessing is only mentioned a few times in her book, among a host of other things that had nothing to do with the religion.  She does make it clear that until her 20s at least, the religion had an established grip on her perspective of a number of things, such as what song lyrics she could sing for example. Wjhonson 18:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've found another oddity.  The article stated before that *Jack* had coaxed her into posing for Playboy.  Her book, which I have, states very clearly that it was her own decision. Wjhonson 17:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian Science

message: The article omits the following issues:
* what does her given name mean, how did it originate?
* rhinoplasty, other cosmetic surgery
Thanks, Maikel (talk) 11:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Omissions

message: She used to be a Jehovah's Witness, but what religion is she now? Nietzsche 2 (talk) 15:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Jackson is currently not part of any organized religion. Am86 (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Just reading the article and I'm wondering if we shouldn't rephrase "he sent a security expert to eyewitness that Gordon had not faked his death a second time" so that we make it clear that this is something La Toy has claimed.  As written currently, it comes off a little confusing (in both articles) because there is no mention of the idea of a first faked death anywhere else.  And the link we use to reference the claim (in both this and Gordon's article) is a dead link.  I know she mentions it in her book but she's not any more specific so using that as a source wouldn't alleviate the confusion at all.  It would, perhaps, be a better source to use for the hiring of the security expert, at least. Millahnna (talk) 10:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gordon faking death before 

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message: Although politics have been a taboo topic in many places it is commonplace for celebrity articles on Wikipedia to mention political affiliations.
La Toya follows several members of the Trump family on social media and has a friendship with the former president from their Celebrity Apprentice days.
The few times she has mentioned Trump during his presidency was usually in a positive light or to defend him from criticism.
I know it's a weak case but if there were only some way to confirm this. 98.10.17.162 (talk) 04:27, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trump supporter?