Talk:Fanny Crosby

message: There are a lot of quoted epithets - "mother of all ..."-type stuff - in the lead section. They are all cited, but they also adopt a generalised format along the lines of "she was known as ..." or "she has been called ...". Each of these has one citation (with one exception). This seems like undue weight to me. Anyone can call anyone anything but that does not justify a generalised "she was known as" construction. Thoughts? - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I can give multiple sources for most of these ascriptions.smjwalsh (talk) 07:16, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The ones where there are multiple possible sources will be ok, I guess. Any without multiple sources either need rewording or (preferably) binning. The lede is effectively making the same point, over and over, using slightly different wording. - Sitush (talk) 07:18, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Epithets in the lead (lede) 

message: One example of a tendency to excessive citation is "...and Ira Sankey attributed the success of the Moody and Sankey evangelical campaigns largely to Crosby's hymns.[12][13][14]", which appears in the lead section. None of the sources are linked to an online resource & I have not checked to see if they are available in that manner ... but is there really any need for three sources for this statement? If  or indeed anyone else has access to the sources and can arrange for this to be reduced to one then that would be great. It does not appear likely to be a disputed point & therefore multiple sources are redundant. - Sitush (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me look at it. Over citing is probably a result of one editor on another article questioning almost every sentence added.smjwalsh (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

text: Another exampole (I have already removed a shed-load over the last few days) is "Crosby was also later a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution in Bridgeport, Connecticut,[31][32][33][34]". Why do we need four sources for this? Am I missing something, not being on the US side of the pond? - Sitush (talk) 00:47, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in Australia. Don't need 4 sources. See above for explanation. Feel free to reduce.smjwalsh (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

text: ... and "Through Simon Crosby and his son, Rev. Thomas Crosby,[23][27][28]". Sorry to drone on about this but the sources are not linked & I am off to bed. I need my sleep even if the beautifying aspect of it has long passed its sell-by date. - Sitush (talk) 00:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Have a well-deserved rest.smjwalsh (talk) 07:19, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The rest, at least from this article, is going on a little longer than anticipated. I am embroiled with other issues at the moment, sorry. What is really nice is that it would appear you do understand some of the issues. I am sure that you do not agree with all of the things going on and I have said previously that this article is a fantastic piece of scholarship ... but it just doesn't entirely fit in with how Wikipedia works. I have done exactly the same thing as you elsewhere here - live and learn, I guess. You must also feel free to challenge: if you think that anyone else is using their scalpel/knife/axe/chainsaw too much etc then query it. At best, you will get your way; at worst, you will learn something new. It is painful, I know, and I apologise for that. Of course, your pride and joy remains in the history and can always be retrieved. - Sitush (talk) 00:21, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Excessive citations 

message: I've added a "[sic]" to the word "Assocations" in one of the book titles, "Songs of Devotion for Christian Assocations". This is the title as shown at Hymnary.org. But a search at AbeBooks suggests the actual title is "Songs of Devotion: A Collection of Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs". Unfortunately there's not enough detail there to be 100% sure it is the same book. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:10, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Assocation" 

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message: An anonymous editor changed the content to identify her as a Baptist - but was uncited. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fanny_Crosby&diff=prev&oldid=633678544.
--Mydotnet (talk) 05:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any sources that say Fanny Crosby was a Baptist? 

message: The article currently uses an inconsistent reference style, with mostly plain-text parenthetical footnotes and a smattering of .  Would anybody complain about me converting the non-sfn footnotes to use sfn?  I feel that for an article with 349 (!) citations this would be of benefit to the reader.  It also uses a mix of CS1 ( and friends) and CS2 () templates for the sources, along with a smattering of untemplated plain-text references. A consensus on what to standardize on would be good (if nobody cares I will go with CS1). Best, Wham2001 (talk) 20:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that nobody does care, so I intend to start on this shortly. Wham2001 (talk) 11:54, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly done at this point.  I have left Crosby (1903) alone because I think that it's referring to Carleton (1903); somebody more familiar than I am with the secondary source material should look into how we're using Crosby's semi-official semi-autobiography as a source.  There's also a Ruffin (1985) which I think is a typo for Ruffin (1995). Wham2001 (talk) 06:39, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference style