Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cornwall/Archive 3

message: Hi all,
The CornwallWikiproject template has been upgraded to include assessments for all Cornwall-related articles. For those who are interested, you can find more info about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Assessment where you can also find categories for all the different gradings. The extra template parameters can be found at Template:CornwallWikiproject.
Right now most articles are in the "unassessed" category, let's try and give all the Cornwall-related articles a rating :-) Cheers, --Joowwww 12:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 

message: I have now created a Caradon navigation box - my thanks to Talskiddy and Mammal4, whose previous boxes I shamelessly copied(!), and added it to the existing parish articles - but there are still quite a lot of red Caradon parishes. DuncanHill 17:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Caradon Navigation box 

message: I have amended the Cornwall-stub template and the Cornwall-geography-stub template, so that when added to an article they include a link to the Cornwall Wikiproject. I hope that this will encourage editors to visit and contribute. DuncanHill 22:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stub templates amended 

message: This website Falmouth Packet Archives looks as though it may be useful to members of this Wikiproject. DuncanHill 00:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resource 

message: Just a note to let you know, St Neot is now a disambiguation page, so for the Cornish village use St Neot, Cornwall, the saint himself remains at Saint Neot. DuncanHill (talk) 19:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Neot 

message: I am compiling a list of resources relevant to Cornwall on my userpage here User:DuncanHill/Cornwall Resources. It includes both weblinks and books in my collection. If you have any suggestions for web resources, could you mention them here or at my talk page please? Also, if you need something looking up in any of my books, then please just ask at my talk page, and I will be happy to oblige. DuncanHill (talk) 18:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resources 

message: I have started a list of people connected with Cornwall who have entries in the ODNB, but who do not yet have articles on the Wikipedia - other editors may find this useful for suggestions for new articles. The list is here - User:DuncanHill/Cornwall People. I have started by concentrating on Cornwall's learned societies (The Royal Institution of Cornwall, the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society and the Royal Geological Society of Cornwall). DuncanHill (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ODNB People missing from Wikipedia 

message: Sorry everyone - I am going to take a wikibreak, which may become permanent. I am fed up with the pathetic lies and self-serving attitude of a few users (not from this project, I hasten to add), which are making it impossible for me to retain faith in the Wikipedia as a whole. I can be emailed through the email function at my userpage. You have my best wishes. DuncanHill (talk) 00:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry to hear that, take care and thanks for all the work you've done on Cornish pages! --Joowwww (talk) 00:46, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am sort of back for now - but feeling a bit battered and bruised! Thanks for all the supportive comments I have recieved from so many editors I respect. DuncanHill (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sorry folks 

message: There is a proposal to merge the article on Associateship of the CSM into the main article for CSM. The debate can be found and contributed to at this link - Merger Proposal. DuncanHill (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Merger of [[Associateship of the Camborne School of Mines]] into [[Camborne School of Mines]] 

message: Hi, Can I ask for some expert local knowledge from members of this WikiProject. The article about the South West Coast Path is currently just a list of towns & villages, places of interest etc & has had banners added suggesting the lists would be better as prose. A group of us have started drafting a better (prose) version mentioning the key places along the route on the Talk:South West Coast Path page which, when finished, will move into the main article space. I've walked most of the path in N & S Devon but do not know it in Cornwall. Would anyone be willing to add to the article on the talk page so that it accurately reflects the geography and features of the area?— Rod talk 18:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to let you know South West Coast Path is now a good article candidate - please help to improve it if you can.— Rod talk 08:55, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South West Coast Path 

message: The stub Saltash Tunnel has been speedied without notification to the original author or this Wikiproject. I have asked the speedying admin to reinstate the article to allow editors time to work on it. DuncanHill 12:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have now recreated the article, with a little more context and cats and stubs. DuncanHill 14:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Saltash Tunnel]] 

message: I have proposed a new stub category for buildings and structures in Cornwall. You may join the debate here - Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/2007/December#Category:Cornwall_building_and_structure_stubs. DuncanHill (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed new stub category 

message: What ho, I have created a new stub category for buildings and structures in Cornwall. To add an article to this category, use . I hope this will be useful in organizing the work of the Wikiproject. I have re-stubbed a number of articles which were previously in "Cornwall stubs" or "Cornwall geo stubs", but have probably missed some. So, if on your wikitravels you should come across any articles which would be better in the new stub cat, please re-stub them. Thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Building & Structures stub category 

message: The Penzance Natural History and Antiquarian Society has turned up in a couple of my recent Cornish People articles, but I am having difficulty finding out more about it. Anyone have any info? DuncanHill (talk) 14:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Penzance Natural History and Antiquarian Society 

message: Could someone provide a link or links to the talk pages where consensus regarding the naming convention for Cornwall/England/UK/County/Country was formed? I can't seem to find a definate result. I'm hoping to make a shortcut page to be linked to in edit summaries detailing the issue and the resulting discussions. Many thanks --Joowwww (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it was on the UK geo-wikiproject, but it was a while ago! We had a sort of consensus near the top of this page for a while too. DuncanHill (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Count(r)y consensus 

message: Well, should georgraphy of Penwith be merged with here? This has effectively superceded the other one. Simply south (talk) 17:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging projects 

message: This article was recently rated and marked as a stub. I think, upon further review, someone might agree that it's worthy of "Start" class. Can it be reassessed? Otto1970 (talk) 17:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Done! The stub-assessment on the Wikiproject template was done automagically, as the article itself was marked as a stub. I've removed the stub tag from the article, and rated as start for the wikiproject, which I think is a fair assessment. DuncanHill (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Peter and the Piskies: Cornish Folk and Fairy Tales]] 

message: I have just discovered :Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Cornwall - to add an article to it, type  to the talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 15:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo requests 

message: I have created a new category - :Category:Cornwall lists, which is intended to contain all lists relating to Cornwall. I hope this will aid navigation. DuncanHill (talk) 02:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Category 

message: A Merry Christmas and a peaceful and prosperous New Year to One and All. I shan't be online much for the next few weeks, so see you all later. DuncanHill (talk) 12:53, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Merry Christmas (Nadelek Lowen)–MDCollins (talk) 14:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merry Christmas 

message: Can anyone identify this Cornish Church - I found it on an old film, and can't remember where I took it! 
Many thanks in advance, DuncanHill (talk) 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fabulous - that's it! I remember now it was on a drive about in that odd little corner beyong Lostwithiel, we went on down to Lerryn and had our thermos overlooking the river there. DuncanHill (talk) 22:39, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Identify this Church anyone? 

message: There is a spelling mistake in your template for Cornish Nationalism "spearate" for separate. Teapotgeorge (talk) 14:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling 

message: St Michael's Mount and St Buryan & Isles of Scilly are candidates for the Wikipedia for Schools CD, about which you can read more at this link - . DuncanHill (talk) 01:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone know what the current status of this is?  I used to write a lot for Wikipedia on Cornwall related issues (and set up the Cornwall wikiproject initially) but became disillusioned with all the in-fighting and bitching that often gets in the way of writing good articles, and don't really write much anymore.  I have a personal interest in the St Buryan article as I pretty much wrote it single handedly and did considerable research/photography for it (it is also my home village).  There are a few things that I have been meaning to add in order to fully round off this piece of work, which should make it suitable for featured article status (I have consulted wikiexperts on this).  It would make sense to me that these things be finished before it was committed to CD rather than afterwards.  If there is a deadline for this then I would be happy to tie up these last few things.  Best Wishes 159.92.6.201 Mammal4 (talk) 14:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know about the physical CD, but here is a link to the version of the St Buryan article used on the "Wikipedia for Schools" website. . I'd just like to add - your contributions are sorely missed, the project and Wikipedia are poorer for your absence. Best wishes, DuncanHill (talk) 14:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hear hear :-) --Joowwww (talk) 12:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Michael's Mount & St Buryan & Isles of Scilly 

message: There is a mistake on this page, the Mohegan and the Spyridion Vagliano were wrecked on the Voices, which is part of The Manacles off the Lizard and not Godrevy Island.  I think the sentence starting 'Not far from the remains' through to 'bounced off to the north' is relating to another link.  The sentence after this relates to the sentence concerning the SS Kintuck, therefore if you removed the sentence relating to the Mohegan the paragraph is correct.  Hope this makes sense.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.39.155 (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Godrevy Island Stub 

message: I have done some more work on the St Buryan article and have now put this up for peer review here.  The idea is that it will be read by a broader section of wikipedians, and suggestions for improvements made.  Eventually I would like to push this article to featured quality and this should hopefully help with that.  If anyone has any comments about the article it would be great if they could add them to the peer review page.Mammal4 (talk) 08:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have put this up for featured article now Mammal4 (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  St Buryan 

message: If any Cornwall-based photographers could take snaps of courts in their neck of the woods (e.g. Truro Crown & County Court, Bodmin County Court, Penzance County Court, local magistrates courts) and add them to commons:Category:Courthouses in the United Kingdom, the photographs would be very much appreciated for List of courts in England and Wales and List of county courts in England and Wales. I'm also working on a list of closed courts, so photographs of former court buildings would be useful too. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 22:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photographs of courts 

message: A move request is in progress at Maker, Cornwall to move it to Maker. Which is currently an unambiguous redirect. Comments are welcome. Parable1991 (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Maker, Cornwall]] 

message: Re my earlier post (now archived at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cornwall/Archive_3#ODNB_People_missing_from_Wikipedia), I have now completed people associated with both the Royal Cornwall Polytechnic Society and the Royal Geological Society of Cornwall, and have just the Royal Institution of Cornwall people to do. The list is at User:DuncanHill/Cornwall People. DuncanHill (talk) 01:23, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ODNB People missing from the Wikipedia 

message: I have created a "Cornish Chough of Appreciation" to be awarded to anyone who you feel deserves it, for good work on Cornish articles. To use it, type  which produces 
100px		The Cornish Chough of Appreciation
100px		your message here DuncanHill (talk) 17:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first one has already been awarded to Jimfbleak, whose work on Chough inspired its creation. DuncanHill (talk) 17:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This no longer works as I have had the userpage deleted. DuncanHill (talk) 01:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Chough of Appreciation 

message: Help with this article about a Cornish language folk song would be appreciated. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 17:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[An Awhesyth]] 

message: can someone please work on Bossiney Haven and make it no longer an orphan? Thanks, Kingturtle (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bossiney Haven]] 

message: Hello WikiProject Cornwall,
I just wondered if there are any places (settlements specifically) outside of Cornwall (perhaps those in neighbouring Devon) that have a verifiable place-name in the Cornish language? 
If so, would this project expect that name to be included in the article, even though it's outside of Cornwall? --Jza84 |  Talk   22:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornish toponyms 

message: Could I ask for some help accessing local knowledge, from members of this wikiproject, on the behalf of the new WikiProject Museums? We are currently trying to identify articles within the Museum projects scope (& develop guidelines to help improve them etc). There is a List of museums in Cornwall. Could you take a look at the list for your local area and see if any are missing or create articles for any red links. Could you also add the new project banner "" to the Talk pages of the articles, so that we can identify those in need of work etc. Any help appreciated &, if anyone is interested you are welcome to join the project or discuss Museum related articles on the Project Talk Page.— Rod talk 13:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Museums in Cornwall 

message: It was suggested by SuggestBot that I may like to improve the Tregenna Castle article. After a little bit of research, I concluded that Tregenna Castle is just a hotel with crenellations. It had a brief initial spell as a private house to the High Sheriff of Cornwall, apart from that I could find nothing notable. I was tempted to AFD it, but felt uncomfortable doing that as an outsider. (I have to visit Cornwall later this year). So I decided just to bring the article to the attention of the Cornwall project, to get some local input on its notability.  MortimerCat (talk) 16:22, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This was one of the first railway-owned resort hotels (as opposed to hotels at junction stations and terminals).  I'll see what I can do to flesh it out. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I've expanded it and put it in for DYK, but I can't find any references that support the information about the original builders and sale date of 1871.  Can anyone help with these? Geof Sheppard (talk) 13:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tregenna Castle 

message: There is a debate about the style of Template:Cornwall, I invite you to add your contributions in reaching a consensus at Template talk:Cornwall. --Joowwww (talk) 11:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Cornwall 

message: I'm trying to argue the case to have the Cornish ethnicity included as one native to Great Britain at Talk:British people#Cornish, however I'm not entirely sure of the distinctions between nation/ethnicity/identity etc. Is there anyone with a bit more knowledge on the issue that can clarify things there? Thanks --Joowwww (talk) 10:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[British people]] 

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thread_title:  Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme 

message: I've been adding more details and references to the Bodmin Moor article and others connected with the moor.
The Dartmoor article has a list of settlements template..should the Bodmin Moor page have one too? Teapotgeorge (talk) 21:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bodmin Moor 

message: Currently, 1154 articles are assigned to this project, of which 155, or 13.4%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of .) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place the following template on your project page:
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replies: text: Thank you - an excellent idea, I shall add the template! DuncanHill (talk) 17:41, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles flagged for cleanup 

message: Currently the assessment categories are called "X-class Cornwall-related articles". After seeing this page, would it be worth adding them to CfD to get them moved to the conventional "X-class Cornwall articles"? --Joowwww (talk) 20:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds reasonable to me. DuncanHill (talk) 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment categories rename 

message: Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.
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thread_title:  Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Cornwall-related 

message: Many Cornwall articles are missing geographical coordinates. Finding the latitude and longitude of locations, and entering coordinates into articles is straightforwards, and explained at Wikipedia:Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Having coordinates on articles mean that they turn up in GoogleMaps, MultiMap and other such places which link to wikipedia based on geo-coordinates.
It is now possible to get lists of Cornwall articles that have no geographical coordinates via Wikipedia:CatScan, for example: 
*Cornwall articles missing geo-coordinates. 
Alternatively, if CatScan is down or very slow, you can find them by looking through :Category:United Kingdom articles missing geocoordinate data. 
The articles in the lists above are currently marked with  templates, which need replacing with filled in  templates containing their latitude/longitude data (or else have lat&long entered into the infobox).
There are about 247 articles missing coords - I hope you'll consider adding coordinates so as to make Cornwall articles more visible on the web. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing geographical coordinates 

message: is it permissable to place recepies into food based articles (eg. cornish fairings)Gwaytya   —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  recepe insertions 

message: I expanded and added verified encyclopedic information to the article on Zelah, Cornwall. It was reverted to the stub. 
I would like to contribute and make Wikipedia a more informatibve source. But all my recent edits have been reverted. What is the point of me continuing? (Please reply on the Zealah Talk page)
:The bot didn't like the link you provided; I have reverted the bot and manually removed the link. If you wish you can try to insert the link again, if it gets removed then that is the problem but the content remains. If the link is suspect you may wish to find a different link. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:08, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's the point? 

message: A new article on the Twelveheads Press has been tagged for speedy deletion.  Please add your views to its talk page.  Vernon White . . . Talk  19:05, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to clarify - it's not up for speedy deletion, but has been tagged for notability. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 21:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twelveheads Press 

message: Hi All. I seek guidance or consensus to ensure consistency when editing Cornwall-related pages.
Some pages have the raw Cornwall template { { Cornwall } } which displays in full whereas other pages have the collapsed version { { Cornwall|state=collapsed } }
Do we have a policy or any strong preferences? My own feeling is that if displayed in full by default, the template can overwhelm other content especially in the case of short articles. So my preference would be to always use the 'collapsed' option. What do you reckon? Replies to Template talk:Cornwall please Andy F (talk) 17:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cornwall Template 

message: I have just been through all the A entries in the List of places in Cornwall adding the Cornwall template and expanding where poss. 
While doing this, I found that in many cases either the OS Grid Ref or the Latitude and Longitude coordinates were incorrect when checked on the maps at stable.toolserver.org/geohack/geohack.php
Sometimes they were only wrong by a few hundred metres but in some cases they were miles out. I have corrected them using the OS 'Get A Map' service at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ for the grid refs and the locater at http://pagesperso-orange.fr/universimmedia/geo/loc.htm.
Would someone care to check my work on:
*Amalebra
*Amalveor
*Anderton
*Angarrack
*Antony
*Antony Passage
*Ashill
*Ashton
Has anyone got any advice or opinions on this topic? Andy F (talk) 15:48, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coordinates and OS Grid references 

message: I have been working on the Transport in Cornwall page. I'd be grateful if WP:Cornwall members would have a look and expand it and/or edit it as necessary; you can leave comments and suggestions on my talk page, of course. 
The article needs further expansion, especially of the sections on bus travel and air travel. It also needs content on the government's and Cornwall County Council's transport policy and plans (I've started researching this).  Can anyone help in these areas? 
Andy F (talk) 13:04, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transport in Cornwall 

message: articles in :Category:Cornwall articles missing geocoordinate data do not have geographic coordinates. Coords are useful for making the article appear on Google Maps & many other mapping services; and they allow our users to click through to see the article subject location on a map. There's a short guide to on how to add geocodes to articles ... it really is very easy to do. I hope you'll take some time to ensure that Cornwall is as well represented as it can be on wikipedia by fixing up the listed articles. thanks --Tagishsimon (talk)
:I'll second that! I've been plodding through the lists of places and parishes adding and/or correcting coords. My caveats are set out above, though. So if adding coords, please clik them once the page is saved and check a map link from Geohack to make sure the location is correct. Andy F (talk) 00:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So far, I've done roughly 90-100 from the list. Hope to finish them all before Christmas. Andy F (talk) 21:11, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

text: You are a star, Andy F. (Now please consider adopting another county or two. We still have, err, about 93,000 missing coordinates that we know of, across the world.) But really, excellent work, thank you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:06, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing geographical coordinates 

message: If anyone could translate the following, I would be grateful "Yo, a Dhuncan, a vab an gusul wann, yth os kepar hag eghen nownek!" Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation request 

message: Hi All, I've been blueing redlinks in List of places in Cornwall.
Today one of the new articles, Bodbrane, copped a 'notability' tag. My comments and rationale are put to the tagger here.
I'd be very grateful if WP:Cornwall members could have a quick shufty and see what they think. Let me know here. Also, we can then perhaps reach a consensus on whether or not the all redlinked places in Cornwall should have article written.  Ta, everyone Andy F (talk) 22:43, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A brief PS to the foregoing. Duncan points to an interesting essay: Wikipedia:Give an article a chance. It seems to fit this case, I reckon. Andy F (talk) 06:15, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Your guidance on notability, please 

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Many thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 21:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made the infoboxes for Cornish districts and boroughs in my sandbox ready to replace the current infoboxes on 1 April. Jolly Ω Janner 22:54, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Announcement: The 2009 Structural Changes in Local Government in England: A Taskforce 

message: South West Coast Path has now been a stable GA for over a year, with recent additions particularly in relation to some places in Cornwall. Apart from a few sections without citations I was wondering what others think would be needed to achieve the Featured article criteria? Would anyone from this wikiproject be interested in working on getting the South West Coast Path article to FA? I've started a discussion on Talk:South West Coast Path and comments are probably best put there.— Rod talk 11:00, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  South West Coast Path 

message: What should be done with the left over pages from the merge from way back?
Pages still to be sorted:
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/Templates
*Template:WP Penwith navigation
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/General
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/Cleanup articles
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/New articles
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/Structure
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/to do
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/Tasks
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/New articles/to do
*Wikipedia:WikiProject geography of Penwith, Cornwall/Current articles
Simply south not SS, sorry 19:45, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Left over pages 

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thread_title:  Coordinators' working group 

message: AndrewRT(Talk) 21:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Local chapter for the Wikimedia Foundation 

message: I noticed, while viewing twin town entries to Cornish towns, that there seems to be a slight difference in conventions used with which to label the reciprocal towns in Brittany. The Truro page has adopted the style of listing them in English with the county (France) as the largest geographical region against the national flag, such as Birmingham does. Whereas a lot of other Cornish towns, such as Camborne, list them in Breton with Brittany as the largest geographical region against the flag of Brittany, no doubt emphasising the Celtic links. 
I think there should be a concensous on this to allow for conformity over the large number of location articles and that WP:Cornwall should be responsible for this, as it has the primary interests in these pages. Discussions around these subjects have also been found here and here. The formats could be:
*  'English/Breton name of town', Brittany
*  or  English/Breton name of town, Brittany, France
*  English name of town, France
I personally think that it should be listed as *  'English name of town', Brittany, France - As it highlights the reasons behind twinning but does notify the reader of where the town is located and does not add confusion by being written in Breton, as I doubt there's many topographical publications written in Breton compare to English/French. Zangar (talk) 17:38, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of twin towns were changed to their Breton version by a Breton nationalist a while back, and I didn't get around to changing them back. I don't mind which flag is used as I think the Celtic link is a good one to make but I think the name should be whichever is used in English, most often matching the French one. --Joowwww (talk) 12:06, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Twin town labelling conventions 

message: It may perhaps be helpful if more editors actually within Cornwall could contribute constructively to the interminable and increasingly fractious debate that is taking place on the Talk:Cornwall page about Cornwall as a "Celtic nation".  Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The main article on [[Cornwall]] 

message: "As one of the six historic Celtic nations, Cornwall has a distinct culture and identity." As the Cornwall  article no longer has six perhaps this needs editing but there do seem to be five others.----Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 14:12, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Six Celtic nations? 

message: User:Jza84 has proposed a complete rewrite of the Cornish people article. If you agree, disagree, want to help write a new article, or want to improve the existing one, please join the discussion at Talk:Cornish people#Rewritten completely?. --Joowwww (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Just a reminder that I plan to overwrite the Cornish people article with this draft very soon. That is, unless there is objection? If there is, please direct it at Talk:Cornish people. --Jza84 |  Talk   22:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cornish people in its new version is now a candidate for Good Article and can be reviewed by anyone who has not made significant contributions to it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 21:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Complete rewrite of [[Cornish people]] 

message: I have proposed that Kernewek Kemmyn, Kernowek Standard, Modern Cornish and Unified Cornish be merged into one article at Cornish orthography. Please discuss, support or oppose the proposal here. --Kernoweger (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Language orthographies merge 

message: I am concerned about this edit:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:History_of_Cornwall&diff=prev&oldid=316006549
Is this appropriate? --Mais oui! (talk) 23:05, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd agree with the removal - the category doesn't really seem appropriate to use here.—MDCollins (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The Cornwall article provides a multitude of reliable external refs attesting to the fact that Cornwall is a nation.--Mais oui! (talk) 23:12, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Goustien seems to have added it by mistake. Cornwall is a geographical area, which is a county of England, within the state known as the United Kingdom. It is not widely accepted to be a "nation". Though feel free to add "national" categories on Shetland and Orkney's articles. - Yorkshirian (talk) 23:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

text: If you look at the category contents, it clearly does not apply to current countries or states, but in large part to historical nations such as, for example, Kingdom of Jerusalem and Captaincy General of Santo Domingo.  There are certainly multiple sources to confirm that, for a period in the past, Cornwall was a kingdom separate from Wessex (or, more arguably, from England), and on that basis there seems no good reason to exclude it from this category.  But I'm not going to revert on what is clearly both a contentious and (in my view, in this specific instance relating to the content of an obscure WP category) a relatively minor matter.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:06, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  There is certainly more justification in including it as a past nation, along with others listed and ones like the Kingdom of Wessex too. I only strongly oppose including it if its on the grounds its a nation today which is just the view of some and not fact. Some of the things included on that category seem pretty strange and random, if there were two categories, one for former nations histories  and one for current nations history i think it would be less problematic but im not sure on the title of it either and im not a big fan in general of all these different category pages that are springing up repeating the same things over and over again. Either way i agree its a very minor issue and i wont lose sleep over this either way, but its not an inappropriate edit or an unreasonable one as far as im concerned. BritishWatcher (talk) 12:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inappropriate edit? 

message: Just to let everyone know, I've put in a request for a popular pages list that should soon hopefully appear at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Popular pages. This creates a list of the top 500 (this can be increased) visited articles that have been tagged as belonging to WikiProject Cornwall in their talk pages. It records the total views and the average views per day as well as their quality/importance assessment, an example can be found here. Hopefully this can help focus efforts for article improvement for general users. Also I like statistics! :)  Zangar (talk) 22:56, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Pages 

message: I am concerned with the number of "X in Cornwall and Devon" articles appearing, e.g. Cuisine of Devon and Cornwall, Mining in Cornwall and Devon, which I feel represent an unnecessary merging. Wouldn't these topics be best covered with separate articles for the two areas, in line with pretty much every other topic and area on Wikipedia? --Joowwww (talk) 14:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think cuisine should me merged. That article itself divides Devon and Cornwall with sub-headings anyway. Not sure about mining. A lot of work has gone into that article and I can't see a lot of dividing between the two counties through sub-headings etc. The mining of Devon and Cornwall is linked, beacuse it's mostly tin mining. There are many ex-tin mines near to where I live in Devon. Jolly Ω Janner 15:55, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Devonwall pages 

message: After a recent request, I added WikiProject Cornwall to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Popular pages.
The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 06:23, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pageview stats 

message: According to the List of Bard on the Cornish Gorseth website, Nicholas Williams, Craig Weatherhill and David Mudd were all at one time or another elected as Bards, but have resigned. Does anyone have cited material they can add to the relevant articles about this, or at least any idea of when/why each resigned which would facilitate further research. I've googled around a bit, but haven't found anything relevant yet. DuncanHill (talk) 00:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found a thread at  with comments from Weatherhill, Williams and another bard who has resigned which gives the reasons. Not sure if it can be used as a citation for Wikipedia though. The thread is called "More on bys/bes words and diacritical marks". DuncanHill (talk) 02:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Resigned Bards of the Cornish Gorseth 

message: This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the WP 1.0 assessment system. On Saturday, January 23, 2010, the WP 1.0 bot will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's summary table will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the WP 1.0 project homepage. — Carl (CBM · talk) 03:11, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP 1.0 bot announcement 

message: The article Shadow Minister for Cornwall has been relisted as an Article for Deletion, in order to generate further discussion on the matter. As this article is in the scope of this WikiProject your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shadow Minister for Cornwall‎ and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).
- Zangar (talk) 14:46, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article for Deletion notification: Shadow Minister for Cornwall 

message: Re the Delabole article 
The infobox map does not reflect the location of Delabole. This was pointed out by User:Felix_Folio_Secundus on Talk:Delabole. I spent some time double-checking the co-ords, double-checking the OS grid ref and fiddling with the info box. I still couldn't get the map to display the correct location. Can someone else have a go please and let me know what they find on my talk page or here? Ta Andy F (talk) 17:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks fine on my computer. Where is the red dot for you? --Joowwww (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Hi Joowwww, here is a screengrab. To me, the red dot looks as if it's at tintagel - I reckon it should be a bit further inland and a bit further southwest. As i say 9above) it was User:Felix_Folio_Secundus who raised the matter so I'll point him to this topic to comment. Andy F (talk) 22:58, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

text: Ah yes, on closer inspection it does seem to be a few pixels too north. It might be caused by the map's longitude and latitude waypoints being slightly off. Fixing it would probably involve delving into a huge template's ridiculously complex code, which is beyond my ability. Probably not worth the agro. --Joowwww (talk) 01:15, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, looks to far north to me too. I can confirm the OS grid ref is correct (well, it's in a field in the middle of the village). Haven't got a clue how those maps work though. DuncanHill (talk) 01:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: From the comments made it looks like something which can't be solved in WP Cornwall but arises from the interaction between the systems holding the data. Some other places in east Cornwall have looked slightly wrong to me as well; I think these could have been near the Tamar where the red dot looked as if it was over the border.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've noticed the same, especially with the eastern settlements. I think it would be best to ensure the co-ords in the infobox are accurate to the settlement and other mapping services (I tend to use multimap.com on the OS scale), as this will be more beneficial to readers and correct, and just leave the infobox map to it's own devices (hoping for a fix). Zangar (talk) 12:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm always careful to check the co-ords and the OS grid ref are right. As Joowwww says, it is more likely to be in the infobox code. Besides, the info box map is relatively small and is probably sufficient as a rough guide - after all, the reader can click on the co-ords and Geohack will provide planty of maps. Alternative, the OS grid ref can be entered in the OS Get-A-Map searchbox to bring up a 1:50000 scvale map. Incidentally, both the co-ords and the grid ref in the Delabole article lead readers to the correct location. I don't think we can go much further with this. Andy F (talk) 12:50, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what would need fixing: Template:Location map United Kingdom Cornwall - the template's border coordinates need to be aligned with what the map represents. --Joowwww (talk) 13:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't know where to start! Is it worth it? Andy F (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This reminded me about the misleading map for Tresco.I am not sure what can be done apart from creating an outline map of significant features which would show Old and New Grimsby and the site of the Abbey. "The map needs to be replaced with one that shows the positions of New and Old Grimsby, the heliport and the abbey gardens. There is no settlement called "Tresco" as shown on the map.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem with co-ords displaying on infobox map 

message: A number of aricles have been added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Articles up for deletion. The deletion discussions are linked from that page. DuncanHill (talk) 11:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles up for deletion 

message: What has happened to this page Bugle, Cornwall? Bugle is a reasonably large village yet its page is a redirect to Treverbyn, which is a small place two miles away near Stenalees. The only possible justification would be that Bugle is in the same parish but I strongly feel that Bugle should have its own page. Some of the original Bugle content is in the Treverbyn page. It is not obvious to me when this redir was done nor by whom. Any comments anyone? Andy F (talk) 17:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like the page has only ever been a redirect , but I agree wit should have a page of its own. DuncanHill (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Change the redirect into a very short stub. Treverbyn is actually the parish its in.--Salix (talk): 20:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Excellent! We now have a decent stub article on Bugle – thanks, guys. Andy F (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugle (the village north of St Austell) 

message: The article on Bodilly needs attention. I can't make much sense of it in places. Apart from tidying up the lead, a bit of copy-editing, checking the coord and adding oscoor, so far all I've done is remark-out the more confusing items and also tag it for  and . The historical material is a bit outside my scope so perhaps someone more knowledgable than me could have a look at this article and unravel the information and sources? Andy F (talk) 10:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bodilly]] article needs attention 

message: Okip   01:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Okip, I think such a list would be very useful. DuncanHill (talk) 10:46, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Your welcome. I am glad that I can help. Thanks for your dedication to the project. Okip   01:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced living people articles bot 

message: A new article has come to my attention. It is Seven Bays, an unreferenced unpatrolled page about the north Cornwall coast. I have not heard the phrase 'Seven Bays' for the area round Trevose – anyone here familiar with it? The article itself reads like a press release to promote the beaches and St Merryn. This article needs critical eyes running over it. Andy F (talk) 07:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven Bays ? 

message: I am slowly working my way alphabetically  through all the bluelinks in the List_of_places_in_Cornwall. I'm adding an OS 1:50,000 map reference to each place to verify the geographical information. At the same time, I am also checking (with Wikipedia:GeoHack) that the oscoor and coord are accurate for each place. I want to avoid duplicating effort so please let me know on my talk page of places where oscoor and coord have already been independently checked. Andy F (talk) 11:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Update   It's taking longer than I thought! I'm adding the  template as well where it's missing and copy-editing as necessary. I've got to N (28 April) so far. When I've finished I'll go back and start blue-ing all the redlinks. Andy F (talk) 23:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Checking coords and oscoor 

message: I've added a map and text about the political administration of The Lizard peninsula here >>>The_Lizard#Political.
If anyone has specialist knowledge, I'd be grateful if they would check the new material. Ta, Andy F (talk) 13:32, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lizard &ndash; political 

message: Hey all, thought you might want to know that a new project has formed called WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms which will be dealing with Anglo-Saxon and English history from the Roman withdrawal in 410 to the Norman Conquest in 1066. We could always use help, hope to see you there!!!Sadads (talk) 11:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  New [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms|Wikiproject Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms]] 

message: I have now copied (not moved) the original content of List of civil parishes in Cornwall to a new article titled List of civil parishes in Cornwall (pre-2009). I have similarly copied  (not moved) the contents of the associated talk page. I have have replaced the content in List of civil parishes in Cornwall with the new list we have been discussing based on the Cornwall Council website. Please have a look and add categories, wikilinks, references and so on as appropriate. Andy F (talk) 23:43, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Civil parishes articles rearranged

message: Following the discussion above about the list of civil parishes, I've created a trial version of a new(ish) civil parish nav box. As I say, I think it would be reasonable to base the breakdown within Cornwall around the current UK parliamentary constituencies of Cornwall, as 200+ is too large for one nav box and these are the only real larger administrative/electoral division still in existence. The one here is for St Ives parliamentary constituency:
*
As you can see I've kept the same format of the current CP nav boxes, with same colourings and layout, just a slightly different list and different map. Wendron is in brackets as a minor portion of it is in this constituency and the majority being in Camborne and Redruth (1 of only 2 CPs that do this as far as I've seen). Let me know what you think and I will make a start on the other 5 (it's taking a little while longer than I thought to compile the CP lists from the map). All suggestions welcomed, cheers.  Zangar (talk) 17:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I think that's a very good idea, Zangar, and your trial execution of it looks good too. Andy F (talk) 18:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: How is this progressing Zangar? Andy F (talk) 20:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Coincidentally, I recently drew this map of the new constituencies and uploaded it to Commons.
Andy F (talk) 18:51, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

text: Excellent IMO! Well done, Zangar. I see you've started appending them to articles, yes? Andy F (talk) 07:40, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:   - There, all rolled out and double-checked. Thanks everyone for the input and getting the civil parishes topic closed! Zangar (talk) 16:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well done, Zangar -- good work Andy F (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil Parish navigation boxes 

message: Just to let people know, I've started a project statistics page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cornwall/Statistics. At the moment it contains the top 25 articles visited each month within the scope of WikiProject Cornwall (from the popular pages list) as well as statistics on the project's cleanup listings, although the last dump for this was on 2010-03-12 as WolterBot is down indefinitely at the moment.
I'll try to keep the page up-to-date, but anyone else can feel free to update it. Also any other suggestions for statistics to be recorded are welcome! Cheers, Zangar (talk) 10:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Statistics page 

message: Please see Wikipedia talk:British Isles Terminology task force/Specific Examples#Geevor Tin Mine. DuncanHill (talk) 15:22, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  British Isles, England, etc. 

message: A new article on the civil parishes of Cornwall is under construction at User:Skinsmoke/Sandbox/Civil parishes/Kernow. Comments and suggestions for its improvement are welcome at its talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The upgrade has now been rolled out at List of civil parishes in Cornwall. There is still a standing issue with the lack of adequate information about the 1974-2009 Districts, but this is hoped to be solved through a map in the near future. Zangar (talk) 04:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil parishes - new article under construction 

message: Could an experienced editor with a better grasp of the nuances of Cornwall's history than me take a look at the edits by User:Salmon123 - here - particularly (but not exclusively) at Constitutional status of Cornwall.  I'm tempted to revert them en masse as being WP:FRINGE and not supported by reliable sources - but there may be some points of substance worth retaining, and I'm aware that these issues may be contentious to some.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:22, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think your approach on Constitutional status of Cornwall has been best so far, in tagging the edits. I'm not an expert in these matters, but I'll leave a message on Joowwww's talk page as I think he might be able to assess these edits and find sources if they're out there. Zangar (talk) 10:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Constitutional status of Cornwall