Talk:Garden State (film)

message: As far as I can remember, there is NO mention that Sam has Autism in the movie. While yes, Autism has a WIDE range of spectrum to it, I cannot see how anyone interprets Sam as Autistic. However, regardless of my own personal opinions, use of "Autism", in this case, honestly looks to be "original research" and should be removed unless someone has a citation where Braff says he wrote the character to portray someone with Autism. Pixiestix (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam's alleged Autism 

message: hey kids, a bit of trivia: the 'helmet' portman's character wears is called a scrum cap.  it's used in the sport of rugby to protect the player's head, and--in the scrum--one's ears.  i thought it might be relevant since braff's character asks what kind it is.     —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.59.195.91 (talk) 05:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "helmet" she wears 

message: I'm not deeply familiar with the various different modes of referencing, so I don't know why my reference is in bold with a ' before it.  If anyone cares to enlighten me that'd be nice, otherwise I shall dig it out of the portal tomorrow. --Hurtstotouchfire 08:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference style 

message: I added the reference for Braff's "80% Real Life" line.  It was in the making of documentary.  I've watched all the DVD extras now except the commentary, so I'm hoping that will reveal the origin of this title, because I actually still haven't figured that one out.  I liked the working title "Large's Ark" better myself.  Anyone know?
Also, I loved the cut scene with Ian Holm, what a pity.  I'm almost tempted to work that into the article somehow.  We'll see.  Perhaps there's some critical discussion somewhere about Holm being underused. --Hurtstotouchfire 08:00, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Content Tidbits and questions 

message: Note that the plot summary should NOT consist of a play-by-play recap of how the movie goes. Only the important details need to be in the plot summary, and having seen the film, there are several trivial parts of the plot summary. Irk(talk) 20:24, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot summary cleanup

message: We don't currently have a Themes section.  I'd like to see it worked into Plot Summary myself, themes being, well, a part of the plot.  I would be open to creating a new section if that seems feasible.  I'm going to try to work from the themes link provided below by Valet5 and whatever other reliable bits I can dredge up on the interweb. --Hurtstotouchfire 06:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "who decided what points of the plot are important or not?"   By the looks of it, nobody. I just watched this movie and I'd be hard pressed to find a single thing that happened in the movie that wasn't in the plot summary.  Not to discredit the amount of work that went into this section, but the plot summary would be more useful with less detail and more, you know, summary. 67.170.183.209 06:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Silly comment imo. Garden_State_%28film%29#Reception states how many awards it won, its popularity, the music, reviews and so on. Its harly an npov statement. The film was a success in terms of box-office/budget ratio as well. Braff has now also been given more films to direct and so on and so on. If you dont like the plot, the use the edit feature. The template in the themes section is fine until someone references it. Valet5 16:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple search found thison themes. So its not completely original. It just needs expansion and a little tidy up. The section is very important, but it needs a little work. Valet5 16:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Themes 

message: This article seems like one person's interpretation of the film. Who decided the themes? By whom is this movie considered a major success? And who decided what points of the plot are important or not? Ohyeahmormons 03:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "who decided what points of the plot are important or not?"   By the looks of it, nobody. I just watched this movie and I'd be hard pressed to find a single thing that happened in the movie that wasn't in the plot summary.  Not to discredit the amount of work that went into this section, but the plot summary would be more useful with less detail and more, you know, summary. 67.170.183.209 06:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Silly comment imo. Garden_State_%28film%29#Reception states how many awards it won, its popularity, the music, reviews and so on. Its harly an npov statement. The film was a success in terms of box-office/budget ratio as well. Braff has now also been given more films to direct and so on and so on. If you dont like the plot, the use the edit feature. The template in the themes section is fine until someone references it. Valet5 16:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A simple search found thison themes. So its not completely original. It just needs expansion and a little tidy up. The section is very important, but it needs a little work. Valet5 16:30, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Debate History 

message: 1. The plot summary is tolerable, but needs cleanup ASAP. It is way too POV and including details like the cryptically described "lie" his dad tells him (which was just like that he had cleaned the house or something) and the way-too-indepth description of the conversation with the Ark guy make it sound like a grade schooler wrote this, which I suppose is possible. There's too many minute details, though I imagine this is because at one point it was even more egregiously detailed
2. I believe it says that Zach Braff "hand picked" the music twice. Is this necessary? I mean, I know the soundtrack is as acclaimed as the film, but it's not exactly noteworthy that he, the director, chose the film's music. This child-like giddiness could be removed also. SF, 1/7/08  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.237.223.112 (talk) 04:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Complaints 

message: Silent velcro currently redirects to this article. --Hurtstotouchfire 05:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note that silent velcro now redirects to velcro.  Go team.  --Hurtstotouchfire 05:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Um, you meant merge and redirect, at least, that's what it says. ed g2s • talk 01:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I find it confusing that "Silent velcro" redirects here, but when I search for "velcro" in the article text it doesn't find anything. --60.225.3.7 09:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is this: Imagine somebody sees the film, and then goes on Wikipedia to search for "silent velcro". They'll then see that this directs them to the Garden State article, meaning that silent velcro was simply something from Zach Braff's imagination. It doesn't matter that there isn't any more info on it (nor that it isn't even mentioned in the article), as there's nothing else to say about it. -- Kicking222 21:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Go for it. --Hurtstotouchfire 11:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent Velcro 

message: [This text was copied from the Silent Velcro talk page, which no longer exists]
This page was recently nominated for deletion, and the consensus decision was to keep it. The deletion debate is archived here. ugen64 03:58, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, you meant merge and redirect, at least, that's what it says. ed g2s • talk 01:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

text: I find it confusing that "Silent velcro" redirects here, but when I search for "velcro" in the article text it doesn't find anything. --60.225.3.7 09:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The issue is this: Imagine somebody sees the film, and then goes on Wikipedia to search for "silent velcro". They'll then see that this directs them to the Garden State article, meaning that silent velcro was simply something from Zach Braff's imagination. It doesn't matter that there isn't any more info on it (nor that it isn't even mentioned in the article), as there's nothing else to say about it. -- Kicking222 21:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree.  Go for it. --Hurtstotouchfire 11:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Votes for deletion 

message: The section of the film itself, that this page and or user refers to is a small piece that is not really worth mentioning. If someone develops a Trivia section or something similar to that on the Garden State page, then this should be put in their. Otherwise, it's really not that worthwhile. --Matt von Furrie 07:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use In Film 

message: I've posted Silent Velcro to Wikipedia:Requested moves#Uncontroversial proposals.  To the best of my ability to determine, that was the appropriate place. (appreciate wisdom otherwise)--Hurtstotouchfire 21:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirecting Redirect 

message: It's probably just me, but as a resident of the locations which were used for filming in New Jersey (specifically South Orange and Maplewood), shouldn't Maplewood also be placed in the film location section?  It's true, my experience is anecdotal, however I was able to pinpoint several spots throughout the movie which could be considered sections of Maplewood, and not just South Orange.  For example, the drive-by past the high school (Columbia High School), which is officially in Maplewood, despite being a part of the combined Maplewood/South Orange School District.
:That would be great if you could fix it up. Cvene64 22:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Film Locations 

message: It says on the Rick Moody (an author) page, that he wrote the novel of Garden State back in 1992, so this film is obviously based on that book...it even says it on the Rick Moody page, so I think that this article should mention it, although I'm not certain on whether it is true that this is based on the book, could someone please confirm that it is? 
RaptorRobot 13:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no evidence that it is. More likely than anything, someone edited that page, which wouldn't be as popular as the article for a film of the same name, and no one noticed. Let me guess, it's not sourced? -- Viewdrix 14:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ricky Moody's 1992 novel! 

message: "...when he accidentally brought about his mother's paraplegia". This text is in the opening paragraph. This is not made known to the viewer until a decent way into the movie, and therefore I think it should not be included in this section, but maybe in the one below it which has a spoiler warning. It seems like a bit of a spoiler to me.
It's not such an important factor of the movie, so I don't see why moving it to a spoiler would be neccesary. --Chitomcgee 05:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree.  That is definitely an important factor to understanding the protagonist and the build up of the viewer not knowing why Large has been on drugs, why he is estranged from his father, why he says his family is "way more fucked up" than Sam's is all crucial to the effect of the movie.  It's also unnecessary in a general description of the movie.  I'm getting rid of it. Dwinetsk 21:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually think this seems resolved and can be deleted from the talk page, but since it's pretty recent I'm leaving it up for now.  We ok with deleting this soon? --Hurtstotouchfire 05:47, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler in opening paragraph? 

message: I have deleted the cast section, because I doesn't add anything to the article. It wasn't a cast section all together, it were small descriptions of the lead characters, already explained in the plot section. I think someone was trying to be helpful, but it is a bit pointless to add it twice. --Soetermans 22:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cast 

message: Does anyone know what the song is that plays in the main menu on the DVD? I don't believe that it's on the soundtrack, although I could be wrong. Bluemoonflame 13:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I  believe it was called "GS Motorcycle Ride", as shown on Chad Fischer's myspace music page.  63.226.201.200 03:13, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: This film was referenced in Family Guy Season 6 Episode 9, should this be added to the article?Norgy (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Family Guy

message: After reading this information, wanting to contribute to that, and seeing it just disappear without even a mention on the talk page on change , I thought I'd start a discussion about it.
	 
"The search for Andrew's mother's pendant, presented to him as a gift by his friend Mark, represents a search for meaning. Mark tells Andrew he would be lying if he said the pendant was what he had been looking for all along. They find the pendant in a ship at the bottom of the quarry. Living in the ship are "guardians of an infinite abyss". Mark, Andrew and Sam scream in defiance at the abyss. One of the guardians, Albert, claims to have explored the abyss extensively. As the three characters leave the quarry Andrew says to Albert, "good luck exploring the infinite abyss". Albert replies, "Hey, you too." http://www.prodigalsonmagazine.com/free/2008/04/movies_and_god_garden_state.php
	 
At the close of the film, after declaring he wants to spend his life with her, Andrew asks Sam, "What do we do?". This may lend a clue to what the abyss represents - the enormity of the future, the hollowness of infinite possibility, and the absence of guidance in finding a way forward. http://www.jasoncupp.com/blog/?p=98"
Now, according to the policy, you aren't expected to remove immediately unsourced material:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Unsourced_material
Moreover, while a blog can't be a totally reliable source, interpretation is important in movies and art. So I'd rather leave the text while prepending something like "an interpretation is".
--Blaisorblade (talk) 08:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Text can be removed without discussion per wikipedia's Be Bold policy. Except for disputed material, no changes need to be discussed at all.  It is generally desired for poorly or unsourced material to have a  tag put up before removing material so the contributor has a chance to source it, but I find it unlikely this particular conceit can be sourced.  If you can find an acceptable reliable source, I'd gladly restore the text.  Otherwise, it needs to be removed.  Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or a blog citation database.--Loodog (talk) 12:22, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Blogs should not be used for sourcing, interpretation or otherwise. You have to find a reliable source which gives what you want to include in the article. Apterygial 13:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal of information 

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