Talk:Brett Favre/Archive 1

message: "Going around a bend a few tenths of a mile from his parents' house, Favre was going quite a bit over the speed limit when his car went out of control." That sounds so lavished. I was around when that happened, everybody knew - and before he became "the legend" - would easily agree that he was drunk with his brother at the time of that accident. Can I prove it? of course not, only him and a couple people at most would ever know that, but could it be true?...... this somewhats explains why I protest wikipedia's original research policy. Either way I don't feel that what is written is NPOV with the line "Favre was going quite a bit over the speed limit" and will remove, or re-write it and likely due to it and its nature - the entire section, if it is not fixed. Mithotyn 01:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Ridiculous

message: Is favre from Kiln? espn says his hometown is Hattiesburg. Tkessler 03:40, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
:fixed the problem. According to his official website and ESPN.com, it is "Born: October 10, 1969, Gulfport, MS" --Anonymous Cow 04:40, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. Capitalistroadster 20:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Birthplace 

message: Its AFD debate agreed to do so. Johnleemk | Talk 10:49, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Irvin Favre]] merged here 

message: I don't understand why adding the line "widely considered to be one of the best QB's in the history of the NFL" is considered POV when it's near statistical fact. Please, if Joe Montana can have that in his article, I don't see why Favre can't. Until someone points out a reason not to, I'm putting it back.
::I've removed it. Review the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words. A well written article shouldn't need to have such a biased statement in it to make an assertion that Favre is one of the all-time best QB's in the NFL. This is a conclusion readers MIGHT possibly come to based on the FACTS in the article. Regarding the "citation" that was included supporting this statement, it was equally unsuitable, because it didn't offer any source for the claim. A valid source would be a cited quote from a noted expert or analyst on the topic. ---Jackel 15:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Uh, Okay

message: Why no mention of his cameo in There's Something About Mary?Swatson1978 22:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another question

message: I changed:
"Brett Favre had an average season with over 3,000 yards for a record fourteenth consecutive time, but he also led the league in interceptions with one shy of 30."
to
"Brett Favre had a below average season with over 3,000 yards for a record fourteenth consecutive time, however he only threw 20 touchdown passes and led the NFL with 29 interceptions. This gave him a passer rating of 70.9, 31st in the NFL."
Since it struck me as fairly POV to describe his 2005 season as "average", in a section discussing all the problems Green Bay had during the season as opposed to Favre's own poor stats, which are ignored. Barnas 17:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  2005 Season

message: It's pretty much official.  Cheesehead Fan 03:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Favre Returns for 2006 

message: I moved the info on Irvin Favre's death from college stuff to family tragedies.  It seemed out of place to be talking about Favre's death in the section where Favre was in college... even though he suffered the attack in the same place where Brett had his accident.  --Splent 06:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: order of stuff

message: I cleaned up the Consecutive Starts section, but I have issues with the other examples provided. The MLB, CFL and NBA counter-examples all deal with consecutive games played, but not necessary consecutive games started. There is a difference. AC Green, for example, might have just came off the bench for 2 minutes or something. I added a caveat in the article noting this. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 19:12, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consecutive starts, not just games played 

message: This section appears biased in tone, particularly the bit about him "only" winning one Superbowl title somehow being a shortcoming. However, it's biggest weakness right now is lack of cited sources to support the assertion that he is getting the "Dimaggio treatment". Since the basis for this lies in media accounts, it should be supported with them. ---Jackel 20:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As per the WP biography tag, above, material like this must be removed from the article, which I have done. If someone wants to provide primary sourced material with these assertions (e.g., not something someone said on a forum), they would be valid additions to the article. Skybunny 22:40, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, stuff like that should never be added again. It's biased even with media accounts. Keep it NPOV. --Aviper2k7 23:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the other hand, it's clearly true that some sectors of the media are biased towards Favre- see also Peter King. The real question is whether that's notable for an encyclopedia article on Brett Favre, and I don't think it is. Barnas 01:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "media protection" section 

message: Why are career/playoff interceptions included with his "records and milestones"?  Interceptions are not usually regarded as good things!  I mean, it might be noteworthy, I don't know... but to include that he's closing in on the most interceptions thrown with the same group as most TD passes, most wins, most completions, etc. seems a bit out of place. 134.48.148.174 06:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All of his records he holds are notable for this entry, not just the "good" ones. ---Jackel 13:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe. But like I was saying, it seems a bit of place to group them as such; as in only pure statisticians and people with a morbid dislike of Favre would care that he's "closing in" on the interceptions record.  Maybe a regrouping or rewording would be better?  Also, I would like to note, that the article on George Blanda -- who actually _has_ the interceptions record -- doesn't have that "honor" mentioned with all the rest of his records. 134.48.5.69 23:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's like saying only statisticians or those with an unhealthy love of Brett Farve would care that he's closing in the most games by a QB...Just being in the top 5 in a certain "all-time" list is noteworthy and suitable for inclusion with any of his other records--good or bad. ---Jackel 17:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Feel free to add the Blanda record to his page, I'm surprised it's not mentioned there. I say keep it in, because it does show that Favre throws a lot of interceptions. I mean, Favre even joked about that being the record he wanted to break.--Aviper2k7 00:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Interceptions 

message: I don't know how to contact "Jackel" user but unclear why my edit to records and milestones was undone.  (My format isn't always great but) the factoid was proper and a key one, that Favre is 1st in career average for points per game (merely 6*(TD pass+TD rush)/total games).  QB stats based on averages are highly useful, as career lengths differ but avgs get to the heart of the bottom line for scoring, yardage, interception ratio etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billymac00 (talk • contribs) 
:I don't know the situation, but this sounds like a citation problem. I do know that you need to make sure that you use a citation from a reputable source if you are not. Make sure that you are not the one doing the calculation, because that is Original Research. I'm sorry in advance if my comments are incorrect. Royalbroil Talk  Contrib 20:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Check the entry history again, I think you have me confused with "User 4.245.122.33", who removed the stat you had added. My latest edit was to remove the unverifiable, POV statement that Brett Favre was widely regarded as one of the greatest QB of all time. I have no problem with your edit, feel free to add it back. ---Jackel 20:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  reverted edit 

message: Let's get some citations in here. If you're not familiar with the proper markup, just add a link like you normally would. Someone (probably me, but not if someone beats me to it) will format it for you properly. Let's make this article the best we can! --King Bee 17:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: From the subheading "Controversy caused by Michael Irvin's comments" and beyond, pressing the edit button gives you the edit page of the section below the section you are trying to edit. Try it and it may be more clear. Can anyone fix this?
P.S. If you need to message me about this comment, please do it at User talk:Twipie. 74.129.124.40 05:23, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Something's wrong with this page