Talk:Kylie Minogue/Archive 1

message: I've removed the passage "Ever since The Beatles' success it had been a goal of British producers to 'crack America', something they appeared to have finally done with Kylie," because frankly it makes it sound as if no British-based artist between The Beatles and Kylie did anything in the US. The fact that she herself is Australian and not British makes the sentence all the more irrelevant. Angmering 18:38, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Conquering America

message: "....who has been based in the United Kingdom for nearly a decade"
:Doesn't she live in France?
In her free time she lives all over the world, but when she's recording she does her thing in the UK Dmn 16:20, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: country?

message: I've reinstated the phrase "national treasure" but have this time italicised it.  This is a particularly Australian idiom, and is distinct from the term "icon".   Australia has an official list of "national treasures" - it's just a phrase that is very meaningful in Australia, and highly applicable to Minogue. 
Rossrs
:It's also a quite a popular phrase in the UK, where Kylie Minogue is also a national treasure, albeit that she is Australian. Along with Björk, Rolf Harris and Terry Gilliam she is seen as an honorary Brit. The news of her breast cancer is on most of the front pages this morning, sharing space with George Galloway, although for different reasons.-Ashley Pomeroy 10:26, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "national treasure" 

message: After reading and agreeing with a lot of criticisms about this article I have followed the instruction to be bold and have edited.  If this annoys anyone who liked the article as it was, feel free to revert it, however this is what I’ve done, and my reasons.
I’ve removed the superlatives except where I think they are genuinely required and tried to tone down the POV, and have also inserted the critical viewpoints that have been voiced during her career.  Overall I think the article is now more factual and balanced.  I have condensed a lot of the info that relates to specific albums – these points can be added into the album articles if necessary & I will go back over those and update them. I have tried to provide a logical chronology using the albums as the structure for this, and have deleted or merged a few paragraphs that were repetitive.
I’ve retained the seperate comments about “SexKylie” simply because I think they’re relevant, and because her image is something that has attracted comment in a way that seems to me to often be independent of what she is actually doing as a singer.  I’ve added a trivia section, so as not to totally remove various unrelated snippets that some people find interesting, but have placed it near the end of the article so anyone who wants to skip that section, can easily do so.  I’ve also created a table as suggested for the singles discography, once again near the end, out of the way.  While I don’t think the table is vital to the article, it does demonstrate very clearly the highs and lows of her career as discussed in the article, as well as what is overall a remarkable achievement for any recording artist. As she is mainly a singles artist, I don't think the same table format is required for her albums, especially as they have their own articles.  I don’t think a table is necessary or desirable for every recording artist, but for this one I think it is.   I’ve tried to maintain some of the info relating to her impact in Australia, simply because she is Australian.   She is also popular in Bulgaria for example, but I’d only mention that in the article if she was Bulgarian. 
I’ve retained the images, in the hope that in future they will be replaced with suitable images that are clearly not in violation of copyright.  
I don’t by any means think the article is a finished product yet. Rossrs 14:19, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is this new version of the article so much shorter? Everyking 16:07, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: because there were some points that were repeated, albeit worded differently, but conveying the same information, in the previous article.  Some sentences were long and full of padding without actually adding new information to the article.  Some points, as I mentioned above belong more correctly in the album articles, and others I have abbreviated and put into the trivia category, so as to keep the article itself unclutterred.  In my opinion.  Rossrs 22:33, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit / rewrite of 19 July 

message: I thought the four images of Kylie in the "Did It Again" video were: "Cute Kylie" (one in purple dress), "Indie Kylie" (one in red clothes), "Dance Kylie" (one in multicoloured/rainbow dress) and "Little Mischievous Kylie" (one in blue dress, blonde). Moreover, according to Kylie in an Australia MTV interview in 1998, "Indie Kylie" won, not "Sex Kylie". Transcript of the interview here: http://www.kylie.co.uk/pressroom/00000032.html
: After just checking the video itself, I can tell you that no one actually wins. There is a period of time where "Indie Kylie" is the only one standing but "Cute Kylie" confronts her and pulls her down, and then she is in turn pulled down by Little Mischievous Kylie, who is inturn punched by "Dance Kylie" but at the end we see Cute Kylie swinging around a baseball bat while the other two get up. Earl Andrew 00:00, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: good point. Maybe the article needs to just mention the video and not delve into who won, especially because it's suggesting some kind of psychology that may or may not be accurate anyway.  Will fix it. Rossrs 09:49, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  The "Did It Again" video 

message: You know, all that "trivia" should be merged into the main article! - Ta bu shi da yu 01:29, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I noticed that Kylie's live shows and tours are hardly mentioned in the article. Anyone else thinks this is quite an omission, as her shows are quite notable for the extravagant (some might say "bombastic") styling, costumes and dancing acts? --Plek 16:05, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.   I have added information about live performances, and have changed the heading "Recording career" to "Recording and performing career", however if you think this is not covered in sufficient depth, please change it however you see fit. Rossrs 15:06, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I like what you've done with the place. Looks good. I'm going to see Kylie's show in Rotterdam in two months, so I'll let you know if your edits are accurate ;-). --Plek 20:04, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: thank you!  I hope you enjoy her in Rotterdam, or anywhere for that matter ;-).  I saw her a couple of years ago, and she puts on quite a show Rossrs 01:40, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Live performances? 

message: I corrected some misplaced full stops, overgrown ellipses and stuff, but I might have gone a bit overboard with the dashes. I just read in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes)#Dash guidelines for Wikipedia editors that both spaced en-dashes as well as unspaced em-dashes are acceptable on Wikipedia. If someone doesn't like my em-dash mania, please say so and I'll revert them. --Plek 21:16, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Punctuation edits 

message: Over the past week, users  and  have been working on this article in sandbox territory. I have now moved the result back here again. Changes we made include:
* A shift in focus: the number of media reviews of the albums was reduced, in favour of more information about Kylie's background, motivation and influences. In general, the article is now more about Kylie herself (as should be the case in a biography), rather than about what other people think of her.
* Expanded "Image and celebrity status" section.
* New images, replacing the redundant album covers. The new images now add context to the article, for instance by providing comparisons between the music videos and the works that inspired them.
* Added music samples of selected singles.
* Rewrite of the intro section to provide a better overview of the article.
* Culling of nonessential trivia.
* Recompiled "References" section, to comply with the Manual of Style.
* General fact checking, copyedit, grammar and punctuation fixes.
We believe the new version provides a more extensive and balanced overview of Kylie's life and work, while still maintaining a neutral point of view; both positive and negative criticism are featured in the article. Enjoy. --Plek 17:34, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Major edit of February 20, 2005 

message: NICE work. VERY nice work. Kudos. --b. Touch 16:17, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Whoa" © [[Neo (Matrix character)|Neo]]. 

message: Why isn't there anything on the page about the fact that an entire hospital wing full of (critically) ill patients was cleared out for miss Minogue? Some people visiting their loved ones where even denied access (by security guards working for Minogue) to the room where the patient was, because it was to close to Minogue's link 
Superdude99 14:42, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Hospital

message: Hi, great article on Ms. Minogue, but in looking at the 1987-1992 section, I came upon a factual error.  Roy Orbison was mentioned as one of the artists at the John Lennon Tribute concert, where Kylie performed "Help!"
The thing is, Orbison died on Dec. 6, 1988.  Either the year of the concert or Mr. Orbison's presence is in error.  Please confirm this and update the article as needed.
:Well spotted!  How strange.  The correct date is May 1990 according to several sources including Kylie.com - I've found a few sites that at first glance appear to be suggesting that Minogue, along with U2 and Orbison performed at the concert, but it seems to be referring to a compilation album of Lennon songs, drawn from various concerts including the Liverpool one.  The album has 3 versions of "Help" by Minogue, U2 and Orbison - perhaps this is where the confusion began.  I can't find anything to place either U2 or Orbison in the same concert as Minogue - even via video, which I thought might have been possible.  I'll rewrite that bit and link to one of the sites, probably Kylie.com because it's at least an official site rather than a fansite.
Rossrs 09:32, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact Checking 

message: Done
Please refer to the content for "Achievements"
Third paragraph reads: "Minogue's songs have garned many accolades throughout her career."
Suggested edit - "garned" should be changed to "garnered". garned is not a real word, maybe a typo. tia. 49.197.32.163 (talk) 10:41, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2019