Talk:Maggie: A Girl of the Streets

message: I wouldn't call Maggie a novel. Its a fairly short tale, I think it closely follows Aristotles antics for what makes a tragedy. The characters, while their self-destuctive tendencies are highly developed, hardly change. Maggie sees that she must leave her family if she has any chance of survival. She makes this decision after she realizes her brother has lost faith in her. Of course her brothers insistence that Maggie had been ruined was in the same vein of his character the whole story. Maggies realization is not so much of turning point in the story, even the title says Maggie a girl of the streets, but it represents the last place her life could be saved, by her brother but he faltered in his realizations. The man who ruined Maggie, Pete, is totaly forelorn  after he leaves her, being taken by the other prostitutes while declaring he's such a goo ' feller. In the end Maggie is dead and finally the raging drunk mother declares she will forgive Maggie, this is the final realization, Maggie had been an angel and her fate was brought on by the poverty, loose morals and alcoholism that was so prevalent throughout the story.
Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.198 (talk) (talk • contribs) 05:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assessment 2006 

message: This article should make more mention of how the novel was received (poorly) and how Crane released a "cleaned up" version in 1896.
Also it might be worthwhile to mention the intersection with George's Mother.  A number of his other works, such as The Monster and the Whilomville Stories have characters that are repeated or who show up more than once.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.71.162 (talk) 19:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reception and revisions 

message: I'll agree it's short.  Most references I've read refer to Maggie as a novel (for example the Literature Network site), and it's generally longer than most short stories at about 63 pages and some 23,000 words.  It's a little long for a novelette but it doesn't seem to meet the definition of
a novella which some claim is not merely determined by size.  I switched the entry back to novel simply because it seems to be generally referred to as Crane's first novel. Oswald Glinkmeyer 16:27, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Novel vs. Short Story 

message: Plan of Action:
We would like to fill in the plot section with more details and add a themes section, where we could go more in-depth into the main themes of the short story, like poverty, industrialism and family relations. We also want to add a section focused on the dialect of the characters within the story. The author's use of dialect is distinct and is part of what makes this story notable. We could add some details to the historical context section that already exists because it is very sparse now. We also could add a "Controversy" section because the story was very controversial for the time and the original manuscript was edited multiple times by editors and the author before anyone would publish it. Currently, there is a "Works of Criticism" section that only has two articles listed in it. We will look for more scholarship on this story and include it under this section, possibly using sub-headings to categorize the scholarship by topic. Finally, we could also add a "Reception" or "Influence" section to describe how this short story was received at the time of release as compared to the present day and to discuss the impact this story had on readers and the legacy it created.
Bibliography:
·Brennan, Joseph X. “Ironic and Symbolic Structure in Crane's Maggie.” Nineteenth-Century Fiction, vol. 16, no. 4, 1962, pp. 303–315. JSTOR. https://doi.org/10.2307/2932407. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Cottom, Daniel. "Maggie, Not a Girl of the Streets." Novel: A Forum on Fiction, vol. 41, no. 1, 2007, pp. 73-98, https://doi.org/10.1215/ddnov.041010073. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Cunliffe, Marcus. “Stephen Crane and the American Background of Maggie.” American Quarterly, vol. 7, no. 1, 1955, pp. 31–44. JSTOR. https://doi.org/10.2307/2710412. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Dingledine, Don. “’It Could Have Been Any Street’: Ann Petry, Stephen Crane, and the Fate of Naturalism.” Studies in American Fiction, vol. 34, no. 1, Spring 2006, pp. 87-106. ProjectMUSE. https://doi.org/10.1353/saf.2006.0014. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Fitelson, David. “Stephen Crane's ‘Maggie’ and Darwinism.” American Quarterly, vol. 16, no. 2, 1964, pp. 182–194, https://doi.org/10.2307/2711086. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Gandal, Keith. “Stephen Crane's ‘Maggie’ and the Modern Soul.” ELH, vol. 60, no. 3, 1993, pp. 759–785, www.jstor.org/stable/2873412. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Huntsperger, David. "Populist Crane: A Reconsideration of Melodrama in "Maggie.." Texas Studies in Literature & Language, vol. 53, no. 3, Fall2011, pp. 294-319. EBSCOhost. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Irving, Katrina. "Gendered Space, Racialized Space: Nativism, the Immigrant Woman and Stephen Crane's Maggie." College Literature, vol. 20, no. 3, Oct. 1993, p. 30. EBSCOhost. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Novotny, George T. "Crane's Maggie, a Girl of the Streets." Explicator, vol. 50, no. 4, 1992, pp. 225-228, https://doi.org/10.1080/00144940.1992.9935328. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Slotkin, Alan R. “You as a Multileveled Dictional Device in Stephen Crane's Representation of Bowery Dialect in ‘Maggie: A Girl of the Streets.’” South Central Review, vol. 7, no. 2, 1990, pp. 40–53. JSTOR. https://doi.org/10.2307/3189332. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Stasi, Paul. "Joycean Constellations: 'Eveline' and the Critique of Naturalist Totality." James Joyce Quarterly, vol. 46, no. 1, 2008, pp. 39-53,  https://doi.org/10.1353/jjq.0.0131. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Stein, William Bysshe. “New Testament Inversions in Crane's Maggie.” Modern Language Notes, vol. 73, no. 4, 1958, pp. 268–272. https://doi.org/10.2307/3043423. Accessed 19 April 2018.
·Von Cannon, Jordan L. "Prostitution, Primitivism, Performativity." Studies in American Naturalism, vol. 10, no. 1, Summer2015, pp. 41-59. EBSCOhost. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Mmagiera11 (talk) 05:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plan of Action and Bibliography 

message: User KBMathews and I edited this article for a Wikipedia assignment for a college English class. We created a Themes section focusing on the themes of alcoholism, hypocrisy, naturalism, determinism, gender and sexuality and social class within the text. We also added an image by the alcoholism section. A list of the sources we used to write these paragraphs is as follows: 
Brennan, Joseph X. “Ironic and Symbolic Structure in Crane's Maggie.” Nineteenth-Century Fiction, vol. 16, no. 4, 1962, pp. 303–315. JSTOR. https://doi.org/10.2307/2932407. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Dingledine, Don. “’It Could Have Been Any Street’: Ann Petry, Stephen Crane, and the Fate of Naturalism.” Studies in American Fiction, vol. 34, no. 1, Spring 2006, pp. 87-106. ProjectMUSE. https://doi.org/10.1353/saf.2006.0014. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Cunliffe, Marcus. “Stephen Crane and the American Background of Maggie.” American Quarterly, vol. 7, no. 1, 1955, pp. 31–44. JSTOR. https://doi.org/10.2307/2710412. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Stasi, Paul. "Joycean Constellations: 'Eveline' and the Critique of Naturalist Totality." James Joyce Quarterly, vol. 46, no. 1, 2008, pp. 39-53,  https://doi.org/10.1353/jjq.0.0131. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Von Cannon, Jordan L. "Prostitution, Primitivism, Performativity." Studies in American Naturalism, vol. 10, no. 1, Summer2015, pp. 41-59. EBSCOhost. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Gandal, Keith. “Stephen Crane's ‘Maggie’ and the Modern Soul.” ELH, vol. 60, no. 3, 1993, pp. 759–785, www.jstor.org/stable/2873412. Accessed 19 April 2018.
Huntsperger, David. "Populist Crane: A Reconsideration of Melodrama in "Maggie.." Texas Studies in Literature & Language, vol. 53, no. 3, Fall2011, pp. 294-319. EBSCOhost. Accessed 19 April 2018.
In addition to these sources we also used the short story itself as a source, which is now listed in the bibliography. We would be glad to hear any feedback on improvements we can make to our edits. Mmagiera11 (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting expansion that mostly follows the rules. Your use of boldface, however, is not appropriate in the Themes section for denoting references. Aside from that, it's not a referencing style that I see used on WP very often, but it looks to me like it would be unobjectionable if the boldfacing were removed. Pinging  ~~ — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 03:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the advice! We removed the boldface from the text. KBMathews (talk) 02:02, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edits