Talk:Horatio Hornblower

message: I've just reworked "Ships Featured" to become "Rank and Ships".  The old table included much repetition of novel titles and ranks which is simplified by merging table cells in those columns.
I've removed the "End of commission" column since it was wide, added little value, and the entries were often dubious, uncertain, or not really applicable.  The material is available in the story plot summaries.
I've removed Roebuck and Phoebe and added Princess and Pretty Jane.  My criteria have been to list all ships that Hornblower was either aboard or commanded and receive a substantial number of mentions in the novels.  Other candidate vessels considered and rejected are:
* Pique, French Privateer
* Sophia, Transport
* Syrtis, Frigate
* Queen Charlotte, Canal Boat
* Aquila, Transport
* Victory, 1st Rate
* Camilla, 36-gun Frigate
* Clement, Brig
* Phoebe, Frigate
* Roebuck, Frigate
* Flora, Sloop of war? (commanded by a captain)
I've replaced some details of gun numbers and types with a "?" where the previously quoted values can't be determined from Forester or history.  Where Forester conflicts with history (e.g., all 74s had 32-pounder main batteries, and Atropos carronades would have been 32-pounders as on HMS Cossack) I've gone with Forester.  In addition, I've specified whether the guns are cannon, carronades or mortars.
I've removed mention of "commodore" because it was not a rank, but an appointment.  Similarly, I've expanded "rear-admiral" to show "rear-admiral of the blue", "rear-admiral of the white" and "rear-admiral of the red" because these are distinct ranks.  West Indies clearly mentions the last two ranks and usually, but not always, the first promotion from captain will be to rear-admiral of the blue.
The new table includes a (mostly) hidden first column which is present just to work around an issue with HTML tables with overlapping "rowspan"ed cells in adjacent columns.
Jaa101 (talk) 04:20, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: @Johnstoo @Jaa101 I am sorry, this section is unreferenced WP:FANCRUFT/WP:TRIVIA. I am removing it. I appreciate the effort put into this, but this belongs on fandom (https://hornblower.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page), not Wikiepdia. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Ships Featured" section reworked to become "Rank and Ships" 

message: I have added to the omnibus editions that an omnibus edition Captain Hornblower R.N was published in 1939 in the UK by Michael Joseph in parallel, I assume, with the Captain Horatio Hornblower published by Little Brown. It too contains The Happy Return, A Ship of the Line and Flying Colours. As with many of the other Michael Joseph editions, a cheaper Reprint Society edition was printed the following year, in 1940. My source is the copy in front of me  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.170.240.200 (talk) 10:48, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain Hornblower R.N 

message: ... seems fairly trivial. Any opposition to deleting it? Clarityfiend (talk) 02:54, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Clarityfiend I independently did it and then noticed your post. This article has too much unreferenced fancrufty plot summary and too little scholarly analysis :( Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical figures section 

message: This article received a more citations needed template in May 2021. I'm not sure what sections or statements require further references? can you help Piotrus? Newystats (talk) 09:16, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There are still plenty of unrefenced sentences;  such as the entire "Characteristics" section. Or the "Historical figures in the novels" section, which probably should just be deleted as fancruft anyway. PS. I'll try to remember to help here a bit, since I got a copy of The True Story of Horatio Hornblower a while ago. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

text: @Newystats I've done a few fixes, cut some fancruft (more remains), and added a bunch of reliable sources for interested readers to expand this (there are more), as well as, sadly, numerous tags to indicate problems. This article is still in a very bad shape. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:15, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks! Newystats (talk) 05:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  What statements require further citations? 

message: We should consider whether the topic of Horatio Hornblower series is separately notable, or whether this shouldn't be rewritten as such. Bibliography, much of legacy, is about the series, not character. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:08, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split into article about the book series and a character?