Talk:Mattachine Society

message: Some of the information in this article is good, some is dubious; all of it needs citation of specific sources--like those already named on this talk page, and more--so I've slapped the {unreferenced} tag on here. --Textorus 03:10, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations and sources needed

message: Franklin E. Kameny says Kameny founded the Mattachine Society with Jack Nichols, making no mention of Harry Hay. But the Mattachine Society article says it was founded by "Harry Hay with a small group of friends". Which is right? Dybryd 01:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well both are, sort of. Kameny and Nichols founded the Washington DC Mattachine, similar name, but different from Hay's.  There were Mattachines in several cities, DC was just one to use that name, the article here refers to the first one.  Jacksinterweb (talk) 20:23, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have a book at home that explains this so I can cite it later, but from what I understand Harry Hay started it and the group kind of ousted him for being a bit too radical. Kameny started the DC chapter. --Moni3 (talk) 21:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Somewhat true.  I believe the situation is actually talked about on Harry Hay. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:49, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are the real founders?

message: It seems to me that we should include a note that the article includes terms (such as Negro and homosexual used as a noun) that are now politically incorrect. Certainly, the people the article is about used the language of the day: it's hard to tell their story withtout using their language. However, it's good to tell readers that we know that some terms are now deprecated, and we know why, but we choose not to belabor the point. Perhaps WP needs a generic note for this purpose, so that other articles can use it.Donfbreed (talk) 22:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm.  That's a good point, Donfbreed.  I think most of the "outdated" words are wikilinked to articles that describe that situation.  -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:43, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Dated terms

message: I came to this article expecting to find something to wikilink Mattachine Review to, only to find that while the srticle does include a picture of the magazine, it gets no explicit mention in the text. If the Review was a publication of the Society, that probably deserves a mention; if it is not, then the picture is misleading. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mattachine Review 

message: When this article says "Ken Burns from Los Angeles" does it refer in an unlikely way to Ken Burns,  the producer of numerous acclaimed TV series or someone else of the same name? Without better sourcing, this violates  the  policy WP:BLP and the text must be deleted. Edison (talk) 04:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Given that Kenneth Burns is a name common enough that we have a disambiguation page for it, that we are not linking to the producer's page, that we are specifying a man from Los Angeles when the producer was neither born nor lives there, and that no one would reasonably think the producer took over the society before he turned one year old, I don't see a BLP problem here. -Nat Gertler (talk) 11:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Ken Burns and [[WP:BLP]]

message: Were they the same, or was one a subset of the other? ZFT (talk) 03:18, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sociétés Joyeuses vs. Société Mattachine 

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message: As far as I can tell, the NAMBLA link mentioned in the beginning of the article is not elaborated upon anywhere within nor corroborated in the source noted there. If such a connection can be sourced it should probably be elaborated upon, if it cannot it should probably be removed. It goes without saying that the claim is sensitive stuff. WineRedPsy (talk) 09:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There is no reference to NAMBLA anywhere else in the article and no citation. If it can’t be backed up with this information, it should be removed 2601:47:4300:1F20:14F2:4CF2:CE23:3190 (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The IP who added that information has only one other edit, adding that organization to the opening line of Harry Hay... where it is not inaccurate (proper placing is another question.) However, the edit here is not just unsourced, it is blatantly unfactual, calling this group a substructure of one that didn't exist for decades after its formation (and even apparently after its basic disappearance, although we don't list a fixed end date in the article.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 12:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  NAMBLA connection claim in article