Talk:Black hole information paradox

message: I removed the following paragraph which was recently added;
:The homogeneity of space and the space-time position independence of the laws of physics is a fundamental assumption of all physics science since Newton. Recenlty, because of the dead end of the Scientific method, scientists like Hawking concluded that the laws of physics are not actually space-time position independant but space-time position bounded, thats why they created the black holes concept and claimed that space or time is absent inside them. The information paradox of black holes is, for some anti-scientists philosophers, the proof that space is not homogeneous and/or that the laws of physics are actually space-time position dependant and not space-time position bounded, as long as, according to the paradox, information seems to vanish or (alternatively) stored to unconventional material (or non-material) objects. Apart from the black hole information paradox, some experiments came also close to the philosophy of the position dependancy of the laws of physics. Some universal constants used in well known equations have been found to change their values (increase or decrease) when measured in small fragments of time or when time passing . A group of pioneer "scientists", lead by John K. Webb , continues the experiments in this revolutionary field.
This mostly reads like pseudoscience. The invariance of fundamental physical constants with space and/or time is open to question, and John K. Webb and other's cited may well work on this. However I can't see any connection or relevance to the Black Hole Information Paradox. -- Solipsist 09:16, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  homogeneity and BHIP 

message: The article currently provides a miscellaneous list of solutions. All of these are backed up by references so I do not propose deleting any of them. Nevertheless, it is not the case that these solutions are viewed equally by researchers.
(A) Within, what might broadly be termed the "string theory community", the dominant idea is that Hawking's computation is corrected by small corrections. This may imprecisely be termed "leaks out gradually" but there are really several forms of the "small corrections argument". For example (1) information is released according to the Page curve; the black hole interior retains its semi-classical form but information enters Hawking radiation through a loss of locality. (2) information is always outside and due to a loss of factorization and once again this is a consequence of a loss of locality (3) the black hole interior is converted into a fuzzball so that information is released as it would be in a piece of coal but the interior geometry is significantly modified.
(B) Within, what might broadly be called the "loop quantum gravity community", the dominant idea is that of the remnant scenario. There are currently several versions of the remnant scenario provided in the list of solutions and I propose combining them into a single heading. 
(C) There are some researchers who believe that unitarity is lost. There are others (eg. R. Wald) who point out that evolution from a pure to a mixed state is possible even within QFT. 
(D) Then there are baby universe scenarios and also the final state proposals. 
So I propose reorganizing this section according to the subheadings above. This will involve the addition of material and some reorganization of text. 
Jacob2718 (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to be a solution involved pairs of particles/antiparticles being ripped apart at the horizon of the BH, giving every information a signature. 2A02:8440:620F:143D:0:30:1AF7:D001 (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Solutions 

message: I feel like the appearance of "Gauss law" should have a wiki-link to explicate it, but I'm not sure we have an article which covers quite what the authors of that paper have in mind (). Gauss's law for gravity only covers Newtonian gravity, no Cauchy surfaces in sight. Thoughts? XOR'easter (talk) 02:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That is a good point. I think what we want should, in principle, be covered by Mass_in_general_relativity except that the article there does not appear to be in good shape. At the moment, it does not even have the formula for the ADM energy, let alone the relationship to the Newtonian Gauss law. This is surprising for an article covering a concept that is so important in general relativity. Maybe this is a call to try and fix that article! I will try and do that although it might take a few days. Jacob2718 (talk) 01:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

text: I made some progress in improving the article on Mass in general relativity. There is still more work that needs to be done on that article. But now  it at least mentions the Gauss law and its use in defining asymptotic energy in general relativity. Jacob2718 (talk) 03:20, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Gauss law" 

message: Tell that to the Great Library of Alexandria.84.54.70.206 (talk) 09:23, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information cannot be destroyed?