Talk:List of diving hazards and precautions

message: Many marine animals can bite if molested but are cannot be considered dangerous on this count. People are not a food sources for Groupers.  We have very large Groupers but I have never heard of an incident of unprovoked aggression.  If Groupers are to be added back in please cite ref. Ex nihil (talk) 05:43, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
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message: in response to your query on my talk page, here's a few thoughts of mine.  Diving is a highly technical area.  I'm not an expert, so I'll limit my comments to generic observations about article structure and organization.  I looked at
* Diving safety
* Human factors in diving safety
* Diving disorders
* List of diving hazards and precautions
* List of signs and symptoms of diving disorders
My first thought is that there's extensive overlap between these.  While there's certainly room for multiple articles about diving, it seems like 5 articles with this much overlap is excessive.
Looking at List of signs and symptoms of diving disorders, I think the entire lede could be deleted.  It's a general overview of the physiology of diving, which is covered elsewhere.
I also looked at Human factors in diving safety.  It has extensive copyright problems.  See 
the earwig report.  I'll take a closer look at it when I'm done with this, but my hunch at the moment is that it may be a candidate for WP:G12.
But, to get to the core question at hand, List of diving hazards and precautions, this is very much an WP:ADVICE WP:NOTADVICE article.  Most of it is a table of hazards and how to avoid them.  The "how to avoid them" part is classic WP:NOTHOWTO.  -- RoySmith (talk) 18:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, false alarm on the G12.  Looks like we were the original source and they copied from us.  -- RoySmith (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:   Bearing in mind that List of signs and symptoms of diving disorders is a Featured List and has undergone scrutiny from the community, what would you replace the lead with if the present one were deleted? WP:SALLEAD applies. --RexxS (talk) 20:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I did not notice the FL icon.  I'm just going to stop here before I dig myself a deeper hole.  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:23, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , Thanks for the effort, anyway. I will look into your comments, and hope there is something that results in an improvement somewhere. Glad to hear the earwig was a false alarm as I am always happy to see our work being reused productively. I assume your shortcut link to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration was a typo for WP:NOTADVICE, Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:20, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: You have drawn my attention to the large content overlap in signs and symptoms between the List of diving hazards and precautions and other articles. As it is not about the details of the consequences, I plan to trim a lot of the signs and symptoms out. Getting rid of the precautions to avoid and prevent the consequences is a little more problematic as they are squarely mentioned in the title. However I will think about this too, and will try to fix the cases where they appear to be written in an advisory tone. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 07:47, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Occasionally, you'll see people talking about wikipedia voice, which means writing something so it sounds like the encyclopedia is giving advice.  The general solution there is to make sure you attribute any advice-like statements.  So, instead of, Cylinders should be filled by competent people, you might say, The Intergalactic Diving Cabal recommends that cylinders should be filled by competent people, with an in-line reference.  That style works well when used occasionally in running text, but would be awkward in the large tables in this article.  Some of the table entries have specific citations, but many don't.  Making sure every table entry was appropriately referenced would be useful.  You might also want to check all the references to make sure the links are still good.  For example, when I click on the "US Navy Diving Manual, 6th revision" link under Sources, I get to a generic Naval Sea Systems Command home page.  Updating those with specific links, and adding them to archive.org would be useful. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:22, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Can be done, it just never seemed urgent. particularly with things like cylinders being filled by competent people, which is logical, almost universally accepted in theory, and enforced by law in several countries for occupational health and safety and commercial transaction situations. US Navy diving manual R6 is a book, and now superseded by 7th revision, so not on the Navy site any more, but was still available off the net last time I looked. I will see what I can do. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 19:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Would this, or more specifically, this be the right source for the USN diving manual?  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: , That would be the one. There are several sites where you can dowmload the document as it is PD and one of the best known/most referenced documents on diving that exists. I have a copy on my drive, so tend to use it in preference to downloading again, so also tend to repeat the original reference details. The site you found does not look familiar, but the document is the same. Cheers, · · · Peter Southwood (talk): 13:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
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