Talk:Syracuse

message: Why are Syracuse, Kansas, Syracuse, Missouri, Syracuse, Nebraska, and Syracuse, Utah defined in the current disambiguation article as specifically not cities.  They are all chartered as cities, and thus have the same legal standing as the city in New York.  They are obviously small, but there is no definition I'm aware of that says something has to be big to be a city. john k 18:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good point... Now how should be address this...? -newkai | talk | contribs 09:22, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm restoring this from Achive 2, as it was never addressed.  Any further thoughts on this? I agree with John that the headings are misleading. older ≠ wiser 15:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed.  Powers 15:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good now and makes sense! -newkai t-c 16:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  cities vs. municipalities  

message: The Province of Syracuse needs to find it's way onto this page.  This is the greater area around Syracuse, Italy. Thanks in advance for trying to get this on the page --T-rex 02:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about right after the mention of Syracuse, Italy...   "Syracuse, Italy, capital of the Province of Syracuse"   -newkai t-c 02:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Province of Syracuse

message: I'm finding no evidence that such a place exists ... google hasn't heard of it, and I've removed it from the list.  If someone learns otherwise, please add it back, hopefully with references. -- Prove It (talk) 03:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: funny, I found it with a google map search here. I think it's probably one of those town that if you sneeze while driving through... you'll miss it. re-added. Naufana : talk 17:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Syracuse, South Carolina]] 

message: Is there any special reason why there are pictures in the disambig page? Off the top of my head, I'm not aware of any other such page that contains pictures. I'm removing them for now. Naufana : talk 17:45, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: pictures?

message: Just noting here after reading the archive drama that I moved Syracuse, NY above Syracuse, Sicily on the disambiguation page so that the two are in correct alphabetical order as the items in the minor towns/communities listed are... Just jotting this down here so that a cat fight doesn't stir up again about this page since NY's Syracuse is now listed "first". Nothing to do with preference, just correct alphabetical classification. Thanks. MartinDuffy 07:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Syracuse, the Sicilian one was once a city state like Athens, Sparta, etc. This is the most notable one and as thus should be first. Nobody outside of the eastern part of the USA has even heard of the USA one. Revelance is the most important measuring, in fact Syracuse should go straight to the Sicilian city. Absoutely nothing notable about the New York one (which stole its name from the Sicilian) on the world stage or the history books. - Animagentile (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing that is notable about Syracuse, New York is that it gets over 20,000 more hits per month then Syracuse, Sicily: Syracuse, Sicily was viewed 4,985 times in February 2008 and 5,471 times in March 2008, while Syracuse, New York was viewed 25,658 times in February 2008 and 28,060 times in March 2008. So "Syracuse" should absolutely not redirect to the Italian city; there is a much larger number of readers looking for the one in New York. It is level readership that is by far the most important measuring. -- Rai•me 03:16, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Gennarous - I fought the good fight on this subject, it's now over and done with.  We ended up with a situation where no one should have priority over the name "Syracuse".  As long as the original and almost 3,000 year old Syracuse retains it's current position on the disambig page, we should not have any further complaint.  If the NY Syracuse still exists in 3,000 years time, we might all choose to revisit the subject (in terms of rearranging the order of the listing).  πιππίνυ δ - (dica) 03:50, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even think that Syracuse, Sicily should be listed first; a much larger portion of readers are seeking Syracuse, New York, so why should their search not be facilitated? If age or the city being first to be named as such had anything to with our naming conventions, then "Syracuse" would be located at the city in Italy. But, they don't. The only thing that matters here is readership, and the city in New York has more readers. -- Rai•me 11:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we were to use your criterion as the main one, there would be 10,000s of entries that need to be recast.  How many names in popular culture have been pillaged directly from history, or place names, or the like?  Lots.  Just because a stack of college students want to look up their campus on wikipedia doens't actually make it more significant in encyclopaedic terms.  Imagine their surprise when they come to the page and see that a little place in Sicily stole their name!!  That these same students know little of the outside world is not a basis for ordering an encyclopaedia, that is, if one is truly serious of creating a fair dinkum one.  If we're not, than it's a pointless argument either way!  πιππίνυ δ - (dica) 12:39, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This page is to discuss only Syracuse. Please discuss the "10,000s of entries that need to be recast" elsewhere. Wikipedia should not direct readers to an article they are not seeking. The fact that Syracuse, New York gets fice times as many hits as Syracuse, Sicily clearly shows that Syracuse, Sicily is not the primary topic. Our purpose is not to discern whether readers are "educated enough" about the outside world; it is to aid them, college students who want to look at their campus city or not, in their search for the target article. A disambiguation page is clearly the optimal solution here. -- Rai•me 19:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  corrected the alphabetical order (don't kill me)