Talk:Hattori Hanzō

message: Hanzomon line? The article contains the text, "To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Hanzo-mon subway line in Tokyo is named after him." I linked the article to the subway line, but I'm not sure the statement is true. First, the line might be named after Hanzo-mon, a gate of Edo Castle (and, presumably, located at Hanzomon Station), rather than for Hanzo personally; second, I'm not sure that the Hanzo after whom the gate and/or the line is named is Hattori. Hanzo was a common enough name that it could have been many other people. So, truth or urban legend --- does anyone have reliable information? Fg2 01:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
See: http://www.skhquest.com/articles/HanzoHattori.aspx Cspenn
:Thanks, I'd seen that, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. One of these days, when I'm experiencing that mythical event called "time off," I'll check the local library to see if they have the dictionary of place names in Japan. (It has one huge volume for each prefecture, and is considered authoritative.) Meanwhile, there's only my memory, and Lord knows, that's not considered authoritative! Fg2 23:36, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
::From http://www.crystal-lifes.com/sample3/neighborhoods.html: Perhaps this will shed some light on the matter:
:::HANZOMON
:::Hanzomon is named after Hattori Hanzo(el kapo del Samsho de SNK), a famous ninja, who spent almost all of his life in protecting Ieyasu Tokugawa(1542-1616), a warrior, who was the founder of the Tokugawa shogunate. Hanzomon (= Hanzo's Gate) was made in the hope that the gate would protect the Edo Castle just like Hanzo protected Ieyasu. Hanzomon is a major station of Hanzomon Line.
::Theshibboleth 19:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Arbitrary section header to drop ancient comments below the Table of Contents

message: I can't read kanji, but the Japanese article has 服部正成 for his name. The ones for his first name are different here, therefore they're wrong? --83.169.152.25 20:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name kanji

message: Judging by the fact that Hattori Hanzo's father's name was Hattori Yasunaga, I'm guessing that Hattori is his family name.  Isn't there some kind of policy about Japanese names having to be in the western naming order? Ziiv 21:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're quite right that Hattori is the family name. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) specifies Japanese name order (surname first, given name last) for Japanese people born prior to the Meiji period. Fg2 04:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Order? 

message: Text in this article is word-for-word copied at http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html.  That page has a copyright notice.  Either their copyright notice is invalid because they've appropriated material from Wikipedia, or this page contains copyrighted material. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.54.27 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The center section of the article was plagiarized from http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html - the sengoku biographical dictionary was written between 1999 and 2004, and went online late 2004.  I removed the plagiarized information.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  --Kuuzo 06:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Probable plagiarism 

message: A nice solid biography, and an interesting read. But the list of references in popular culture is far too long; some of it has got to go. LordAmeth 19:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, I don't think a list of every video game he is referred to in is necessary. This problem has been discussed on the Talk:MOS/Japan, as you know. I'm just waiting for the list to build up then take an axe to it. Perhaps an inline comment in the section might be useful, any proposals for the wording?--DrHacky 04:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Project Assessment

message: There were four Hattori Hanzō.  This may be confusing people.  See: 服部半蔵.  This should probably be explained (or separated/disambiguated):
#Hattori Hanzō Yasunaga (服部保長): Father of the famous one
#Hattori Hanzō Masanari (服部正成): The famous one.
#Hattori Hanzō Masanari II (服部正就): Eldest son of the famous one
#Hattori Hanzō Masashige (服部正重): Second son of the famous one.
The Kill Bill character is named so because of this tradition of the Hattori family passing down names. Hill of Beans (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Four Hattori Hanzōs

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:HattoriHanzo.jpg

message: In the surrounding mountains, there were large institutes for training in martial skills.[citation needed]
I can sympathize with the request for a citation here, but this statement is almost necessarily true. It was these very camps, and those like them throughout Japan, that originally gave birth to the "ninja" mythos, as these were the purported "ninja training camps", which were really just camps for garden variety guerilla mercenaries. The camps, and almost the entire story of Hanzo Hattori, are legendary. There is no reliable citation for most of the events ascribed to this era of Japanese history, revolving around the establishment of the Tokugawa bakufu. It's basically all myths and propaganda. --70.131.82.165 (talk) 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  You're not going to get a meaningful citation here. 

message: the one who succeeded Hanzō was Hattori Masanari in the hanzō article it says Hattori Hanzō was succeeded by his 18-year-old son but his son was born in 1565 so wouldnt he be 31 when he succeeded Hanzō?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.133.132 (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  hanzo's son 

message: That's not even sources, that's just pointing up where one can find out more. One might easily find actual sources for all of that, but the characters themselves are usually even listed in Wikipedia's other articles (where they are either sourced or not, it's about other articles), just not described in such a detail. You can use not only google but even just the internal links to the main articles for quick verfication (or to their list of characters articles, for example: Hanzo Hattori on the list of Samurai Shodown characters, who is pretty well sourced there, and whom you removed here anyway for "statements based" thing). And the wikias are simply for more information regarding them (further reading).
Also these "statements" here are no controversial things whatsoever, nor any scientific stuff, nor someone's private opinions of any kind being pushed - it's just a neutrally-written, quick list of works and characters, like the whole article people of the Sengoku period in popular culture. But I did remove the YT link, for a random and substantional copyrights violation that is not even very informative. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Regarding the "statements based" statement... 

message: Hi, , I see you've added an undue weight tag. Can you elaborate on what, specifically, you feel is being given undue weight in the article, so we can work on fixing it? ~Swarm~ {talk} 05:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: As noted in the template itself, his popular legacy - it currently equals the rest of the article in size, which is disproportionate, and is inadequately sourced as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Undue weight 

message: This page it now states he was assassinated by a rival ninja named Fuma Kotaro,
This is completely 100% false since we know from records he retired in 1593 and lived the last years of his life as monk and died at the age of 55 of natural causes. Llliii196 (talk) 13:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hanzō’s death