Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Archive 4

message: User  has changed the birthdates of several wrestlers based on info which I'm not sure is reliable. Can anyone tell whether or not these are correct, as I don't want to get into any more edit wars with him. ErikNY 04:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He is apparently getting this information from here. I'm not convinced on the accuracy of the site, as they list Samoa Joe's birthday wrong at the very least.--Toffile 05:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrestler's birthdates

message: While I don't think all the changes proposed by KelvSYC are necessary or desirable, some of them are good suggestions. Moving Paul Levesque to Triple H seems a sensible course of action, and I intend to request a page move (which, of course, can be opposed). I also think that Jason Reso should be moved to Christian Cage as (1) this has always been the full name of his "character", (2) he has trademarked the name "Christian Cage" and (3) it is the ring name he will use for the forseeable future, and will allow a lot of direct linking in the TNA articles. The second move does not require the assistance of an administrator, but the article is popular enough that I felt that I should consult the project before moving the page. Mark Calaway should really also be moved, but it is unclear whether the page should be moved to The Undertaker, the name I for one generally associate with him, or Undertaker (wrestler) (as WWE.com have apparently dropped the "The" from his name ). Obviously, the former name would allow much more direct linking. I would appreciate any feedback or criticisms as to these three proposals. McPhail 23:26, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would prefer The Undertaker over Undertaker (wrestler). Also, It might be a little to early to move Jason Reso's page. These changes sound more legit than some proposals brought up by KelvSYC. Not to say all of his suggestions were bad though. :-p SWD316 talk to me 05:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with SWD316 on this, The Undertaker would be a good name to move after going under the name for 15 years as compared to the move to Christian Cage which is tad bit too early. I would also agree with the move for Paul Levesque to Triple H as the chances of him changing his name is very unlikely. --Oakster 12:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At least until the inevitable breakup between him and Stephanie McMahon...  And that's the problem really.  Unlike actors, musicians, et. al., wrestlers don't own their names.  Their ability to continue using their stage names is entirely contingent on their continued employment with a given company.  That's the whole thing that makes this issue so thorny that we've been discussing it since before I joined the project and STILL haven't reached a clear consensus.  --HBK|Talk 16:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That is only speculated if they do break up. However, we should keep the revert option for Triple H. If someone were to type in Paul Levesque, it would redirect to Triple H instead of it going nowhere. SFrank85 19:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Jay Reso's original ring name in WWF/E was "Christian Cage". He held the WWF Light Heavyweight Championship under this name briefly. - Chadbryant 00:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It surprises me WWE hasn't challenged his ownership of the trademark then, since they could claim he used it while working under contract for the E, and those contracts (read a generic one at one of the free law websites) are pretty brutal when it comes to saying Vince et al WWE own everything about you up to (possibly including) your first born. But maybe Reso trademarked it first when he was working the indies in Canada and there wasn't scat WWE could do about it when he renewed under his original name. BronzeWarrior 10:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrestler article naming contrary to conventions (part 2)

message: The article "List of WWE World Tag Team Champions" and "List of WWE World Tag team Champions by length" have been deleted or somethin? Can anyone confirm this? Edraf 07:13, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I searched them up and they were missing the dash in the links between Tag-Team. I fixed them and they work fine now. tv316 12:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Problem 

message: Some articles are getting just incredibly unnecessarily long. There's no reason to give a week by week of Chris Masters' career is there?Bdve 22:43, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article Lenghts / Week By Week Breakdowns 

message: I suggest that Image:Wwe.jpg should be up for deletion becuase we already have a better wwe logo. Let's talk about it. SFrank85 01:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you feel that way, put it up on IFD. kelvSYC 06:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Well it links to nowhere so tag it with the appropriate template from WP:CSD and it'll be gone in a week.--Toffile 06:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, will do! SFrank85 06:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot to tag it with a reason. I added one though.--Toffile 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry. SFrank85 18:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image:Wwe.jpg 

message: This page has gotten insane. There's a reogrinization tag on it but few seem to check it when they edit. People are continually re-adding the same match with a different name (You Can't See Me = Blindfold rebranded).
I don't think we have to go as far as to make seperate pages for every kind of variation (Singles variations / Containter variations etc) but there has to be a way to slim it down. 
I just wanted to draw some attention to it.
::I will help reogrinize it. It has gotten way out of hand. SFrank85 18:32, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of professional wrestling match types]] 

message: The reason I did is it is just pure disrespectful to Eddie to have these paragraphs saying he faked his death and still alive. I wish he was still alive but I do not vandalize articles proclaiming he is still alive because it morally wrong and distasteful to his legend.
BionicWilliam 07:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I have removed some the Urban Legends & Myth section from the Eddie Guerrero & WWE articles

message: I think redirects or disambiguation from a wrestler's gimmick name to their real (non kayfabe) name is probably the most sensible solution.  This issue came up for me when writing William Welch's entry, since in the ring he's known as Messiah.  Now clearly if I had tried to surplant the messiah entry on Wiki with one for a pro wrestler, all hell (no pun intended) would have broken loose.  The only sensible thing to do in that case was to write the page under his real name and provide the appropriate links to it using the link renaming | convention where appropriate.  Now clearly not every wrestler is going to have a religious word as a gimmick name, but we all know wrestlers whose gimmick names are ridiculously entangled in pop culture.  Think of how many different references there are to Raven (Teen Titans is the first of many that come to mind) and as a result it makes more sense to file him under Scott Levy.  Further we all loved the double entendre of the gimmick but doesn't a Mick Foley page make more sense than unduly confusing all of mankind?  I rest my case. BronzeWarrior 10:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The page could have been created at Messiah (wrestler). This is the naming convention used with Sting (wrestler) and The Rock (entertainer). McPhail 19:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I realize it +could+ have been, but since most of the bios I had already read on Wiki used the wrestler's real name (Jay Reso, Scott Levy, and so on) it just seemed to make more sense.  I suppose on a self-edited site like Wiki there doesn't need to be a consensus on the right way to do bio pages, but I'll stick with using real names since I prefer that to "gimmick name" (wrestler). BronzeWarrior 23:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the real names should be used simply because real names never change.--Anthony 23:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Unless, of course, you are Warrior... - Chadbryant 05:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quick two cents on the ''naming'' issue 

message: Some random articles i found... i will admit some are just in need of a clean up while others are quite pointless:
*Deluxe Triple Crown Champion
*WWE PPV Statistics
*List of WWE world champions by age
*Power 25
*History of the "You Suck!" Chant
*Crowd chants
:Most of those articles should be proposed for deletion, but crowd chants could actually be developed into a good article, although it would have very little to do with pro wrestling if it were written correctly. - Chadbryant 18:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Somebody already did an edit/re-direct, because I'm not seeing it now.  Either way I'm sure it was redundant. BronzeWarrior 03:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redundant WWE articles 

message: I think there should be an article about the Smackdown vs. RAW Storyline. It has been a major storyline in 2005. Can anybody follow-up on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Edraf (talk • contribs) 
:I don't know if it's enough for a full article. I don't think we have any single article about any single wrestling storyline. Also, you can sign your comments with a ~~~~. Welcome to the project.--Toffile 01:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ironic isn't it that good storylines don't need entries, but bad ones do?  I'm not complaining I'm just amused. :) BronzeWarrior 03:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So true. So very very true. =P--Toffile 03:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smackdown Vs. RAW Storyline 

message: Is there a place to list articles that you know need editing and need to be updated/expanded but you yourself don't have the information to do it? It makes me sad to see Crusher & Dick The Bruiser nearly empty but I wasn't even born when they were on the scene. -Bdve 02:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll take a look at the articles later tonight and try to update them a bit if someone else from the Project didn't beat me to the punch.  I don't know that I ever saw much of their work growing up (until the late 20th century WWWF/WWF was all I knew or saw) and I'm only 31 so I probably missed "their era" but there are plenty of good resources you can use to expand someone's wrestling bio.  I personally recommend OWW and CAC among others. You can also learn more about old school legends by using tape traders. BronzeWarrior 03:22, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I haven't gotten to Dick the Bruiser's page yet, but I will probably revise it tonight.  I encourage you to check out my rewrite of Crusher's page if you haven't already. BronzeWarrior 17:41, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I want to thank you for tackling that Crusher article as quickly and thoroughly as you did, but those two were just examples. What I really want to know is, is it cool for just anybody to edit the box on top of the talk page for articles to cleanup/expand/recreate etcetera. I don't know wikipedia protocol -Bdve 21:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure I've been here long enough myself to qualify as an expert, but I don't think editing in a suggestion for articles to clean up or expand is something +I+ would grouse about.  It's good to know what needs work. BronzeWarrior 07:44, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles that need help 

message: I've noted this on the talk:Royal Rumble (2006) discussion, but in case anyone misses that post, I'm not sure Helms can be considered a two-time WWE cruiserweight champion since the previous title he held during the invasion was actually the WCW cruiserweight title. BronzeWarrior 08:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He's held the belt itself 3 times, once when it was the WCW Cruiserweight Championship and twice when it was the WWE Cruiserweight Championship. McPhail 09:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you clarify when? I don't remember him ever having the belt as Hurricane. I know he had the Hardcore Title a few times and Tag Team Titles with both Kane and Rosey, but I'm completely drawing a blank on him ever having had the WWE CW title before last night. BronzeWarrior 09:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He defeated Yoshihiro Tajiri on May 14 2002, and lost to Jamie Noble on June 23 2002. See List of WWE Cruiserweight Champions. Essexmutant 10:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, I'll be damned. That reign went so quick I missed it completely. I remember Noble and Tajiri from that year but I had completely forgotten Helms. In fact I seem to remember Tajiri had an angle where Torrie Wilson was his geisha. BronzeWarrior 06:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gregory Helms, RR 2006 

message: I'm noticing that some of the individual wrestler entries are becoming quite long (long enough that when you edit them, you're given a warning about article size). I'm not really sure that huge articles detailing every single storyline a wrestler has ever been involved in is really necessary in most cases - just imagine how big Ric Flair would be if someone did for his article what has been done for Kurt Angle. I do think that more emphasis on the wrestler as a biographical subject, and less emphasis on the stories he or she has been a part of would go a long way in making the wrestling biographies more manageable and co-existent with Wikipedia as a whole. - Chadbryant 20:49, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been an issue I've been thinking about for some time now. I think we probably should start summarizing any events that occurred in the past 6-12 months. Cut out all the minor angles and results, and mention any significant events that occured. Sound fair?--Toffile 20:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I would trim down most (if not all) of the individual wrestler articles to only include notable facts & events - the infobox, titles won, the title lineages where applicable, and any notable non-ring events. - Chadbryant 22:15, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a happy medium between a comprehensive biography and an exhaustive recap of weekly events. I think a decent sized paragraph for a period of 6-12 months is usually quite enough. Obviously some events need somewhat more detail, but there's no excuse for writing a six paragraph account of a wrestler's throwaway match on Heat. McPhail 23:00, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Length

message: The Professional wrestling categories (root :Category:Professional wrestling) is a real big mess right now, and I'd like people in this project to help in its organization.
First, a couple changes I made:
*In keeping with Wikipedia's categorization patterns, I've made :Category:Professional wrestlers by nationality and :Category:Professional wrestling championships by promotion. I'd also like to move :Category:Professional wrestling rosters to the more appropriate :Category:Professional wrestlers by promotion.
*I have made :Category:Heavyweight wrestling championships, :Category:Tag team wrestling championships, :Category:Cruiserweight wrestling championships, :Category:Women's wrestling championships, and :Category:Hardcore wrestling championships to group titles by their general category. Since there are a lot of titles, I'd like all to help with the categorization. A page on a championship should be grouped in the category of their promotion and the general type (eg. the World Tag Team Championship is a WWE title and a tag team title).
Remaining proposals:
*In accordance to Wikipedia's categorization practices, I'd like to move :Category:Professional wrestling rosters to the more appropriate :Category:Professional wrestlers by promotion, and have :Category:Professional wrestlers be filed under :Category:Professional wrestling performers.
*In accordance to Wikipedia's categorization practices regarding sports, I'd also like to introduce :Category:Defunct professional wrestling promotions and other similar categories.
*We may need :Category:Main event wrestling championships to denote top wrestling championships, or at least something to differentiate the WWE Championship from the WWE Intercontinental Championship.
*As Wikipedia has a category for chronological lists, we should have a separate :Category:Lists of professional wrestling title histories or something to that effect.
Any comments or suggestions?  kelvSYC 00:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like the cruiserweight one, it's very WWE/WCW-centric.  Not sure what to do instead without making a category for each different weight-class.--Darren Jowalsen 00:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I dont think you should have the Hardcore one as that is even more WCW/WWF... but instead a Category:Gimmick wrestling championships (belts with stipulations i.e hardcore, X-div, Pure titles)... and Mid-card wrestling championships (European, intercontinetal, All-England etc etc)... i think the main problem is no one is goin through the championships and adding the categorys... i mean there are tons of light heavyweight/cruiserweight titles --- Paulley 19:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category reorganization 

message: I wrote this article and was looking for a good photo to go with it. The only photo I could find is on []. The problem is I don't know if it is in the public domain. I have tried to contact the administrators twice but my Email bounced back both times with a notice saying there was a fatal error on their side.
I'm thinking that since its such an old photogragh that its most likely in the public domain. Should I upload it and use it or not? (Stephen Day 01:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's 99.999% likely that the photo is in public domain and copyright would have long since expired, since it has the appearance of a lithograph over 100 years old.  As a last resort though, try looking up the website's domain registry through NetSol or Register.com since the owner of the site is required to keep the information current. BronzeWarrior 02:45, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you very much for the advice. (Stephen Day 22:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Viro Small]] - Asking for advice 

message: A move has been requested for Dean Simon, to relocate the article to Dean Malenko. - Chadbryant 00:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Dean Simon ---> [[Dean Malenko]]

message: I removed the information because it’s a Title History Page not discussion page about the rewritten history that WCW now WWE use to make one of there belts seem prestigious since the National Wrestling Alliance is a group of independent professional wrestling promotions, in operation since 1948. Prior to the 1980s, it acted as a governing body for pro wrestling, operating the 'franchise'-like "territory" system.
:Seems like it was probably a good change, since NWA doesn't acknowledge WWE in their lineage or vice versa, but please sign your posts so we know who you are and can discuss it with you if needed. BronzeWarrior 11:16, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: I removed WWF(WWE)/WCW info from the List of NWA World Heavyweight Champions Page

message: One of the suggestions made in a peer review of the "Konnan" article was that we "Convert "Finishing and signature moves" and "Managers" to tables and integrate into the text, like Saffron#Chemistry.". The current "In wrestling / wrestling facts" sections that are used to list finishing moves, managers, nicknames, stables and quotes are, admittedly, unwieldy, and inevitably take the form of embedded lists, which are to be avoided. I don't known a lot about the codes used for tables, templates and infoboxes, but it would be useful if we could create a table that could display this information in a compact and attractive manner. McPhail 01:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tables

message: We should make a decision on which to use; "wrestler and opponent" or "attacker and victim." I personally find the first preferable.
↪Lakes (Talk) 20:31, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My vote would be with "wrestler and opponent". Moe ε 23:26, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opponent or victim 

message: Hey, I'm new here, do you guys know where I can get pictures of Lou Thesz or Strangler Lewis, that aren't copyrighted?
:Welcome!  You may want to consider signing up for an account, that way you can keep tracks of your edits and uploads, and sign your posts with four tilde (~) to identify yourself.  It's not easy to find non-copyrighted photos of anybody these days considering Congress keeps extending it to infinity (that's not NPOV but screw it, that's how I feel) but you could always get permission from an actual copyright owner to upload a photo for the limited purpose of improving a Wikipedia entry. BronzeWarrior 07:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If a photograph is uploaded with the proper tag, it can be used, even if the image is copyrighted. As an NPO, Wikipedia assumes "fair use" for images that are used merely to illustrate the subject of an article. - Chadbryant 00:03, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Hey guys,
Just thought I'd let you know that I've added an article for the upcoming ECW pay-per-view "ECW Another One Night Stand". Proof of this was given at the Raw house show on February 18, 2006. (Normy 08:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ECW Another One Night Stand 

message: The following is taken from the trivia section of the World Tag Team Championship (WWE) article:
:With the release of The Heart Throbs and the breakup of Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch, there are no dedicated tag teams left on Raw. This marks the first time in WWWF/WWF/WWE history where there has not been a single dedicated tag team, including the champions (who are primarily singles wrestlers), left to compete for the World Tag Team Championship. (There are still dedicated tag teams competing for the SmackDown! equivalent, the WWE Tag Team Championship.)
	
:
Surley this is POV... isnt it???... i think it should be removed esspecally as i would consider Tomko and Snitsky a tag team aswell --- Paulley 10:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is it POV? Seems to be stating a fact, though it could probably use a rewrite.Bdve 19:02, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Tag team trivia

message: The page for Machete (Wrestler) was mostly about Joey Machete, while the TNA stuff on that page is about a different guy, also named Machete -- he used to work as "Ricky Vega.".
Pics for comparison:
Joey Machete: http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/b/blackmarket/01.jpg
TNA's Machete:
http://www.tnapics.com/albums/ppvlive/2006/feb12/IMG_7537.jpg
Ricky Vega:
http://www.whipperinterviews.coms.ph/images/dsc09845.jpg
Anyway, I created a new page for Joey Machete and split the content up between 'em.  As soon as TNA updates their roster page we'll be able to fill out Machete's profile a little more. --Karlos the Jackal 03:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry about that. McPhail 08:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem. There seems to be some confusion on this point on a few message boards, too, which is where I found out that Joey Machete even existed.  --Karlos the Jackal 10:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Machete

message: Just to let you guys know, I've put up a move request for World Tag-Team Championship to be renamed to World Tag Team Championship. --Oakster 06:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would suggest that much like World Heavyweight Championship (WWE), the article should be moved to World Tag Team Championship (WWE). - Chadbryant 23:52, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm a tad bit unsure over that. While there was the Omaha version of the World Heavyweight Championship which concluded the need for parenthesis, was there any other title just named the World Tag Team Championship? --Oakster 09:04, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Until the early 1980s, various NWA members promoted their own version of a "World Tag Team Championship". While they are generally redacted in current listings (i.e. NWA World Tag Team Championship [Detroit version]), they were most often promoted under the generic "World Tag Team Championship" name. - Chadbryant 13:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlike the World Heavyweight Championship which was a very generic name, the term "World Tag Team Championship" is one purely in the realms of professional wrestling. Having just looked at WP:DAB, I think it's best if we make an additional disambiguation page for the NWA variations as most people looking up "World Tag Team Championship" here would tend to be looking for the WWE championship, rather than the generic term. --Oakster 19:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Tag Team Championship 

message: Would it bother anyone if we started noting people who are working both for WWE proper (Raw/SmackDown!) and OVW making a second section on their parallel careers & gimmicks? Paul Burchill for one would benefit from it.Bdve 18:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It would probably be worthwhile if it doesn't get too excessive.  For example if the Spirit Squad are on both Raw and OVW TV every week, their pages could get really long from the storyline angles for each one.  Boogeyman too, since he seems to be on both OVW and Smackdown each week. BronzeWarrior 18:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good point I hadn't really thought of. I'll have to figure something out. Bdve 23:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: OVW & double gimmicks

message: There seem to be a whole lot of negative comments about The Undertaker on this page which don't represent a NPOV.  Perhaps this article should be cleaned up? BronzeWarrior 09:46, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. I think I got them all and retained the one real noteworthy piece by moving it to WMXIV page.Bdve 17:32, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: MUCH better.  Kudos! BronzeWarrior 18:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WrestleMania 13 

message: One thing I noticed is that Raw and SmackDown! have been used interchangeably to refer to both the brand and its flagship show. However, they are, on a technicality, not quite synonymous: the flagship show for the SmackDown! brand is Friday Night SmackDown! (even though it's on Thursday where I'm from), yet Velocity is a SmackDown! brand show and not a Friday Night SmackDown! brand show. It makes me wonder if we should have separate pages for the brand and the show. kelvSYC 04:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think there's enough of a difference between the shows and the "brands" bearing their name to justify the additional articles, especially given the recent trend of inter-show angles and such. Raw & Smackdown are technically still separate brands, but are now being treated more as merely separate TV shows. - Chadbryant 05:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I would tend to agree with Chadbryant that the distinction is not a particularly important one. McPhail 16:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The brand versus the show 

message: This page has been vandalized alot can some one got there and fix it (It says Hogan has been a  World Heavywieght Champion (WWE) wich is not the case) plus many other mistakes I can't since I'm not good with wiki tables
BionicWilliam 02:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm more boggled by the fact it lists Chris Candido as an NWA World Heavyweight Champion.  Don't get me wrong I like him a lot (R.I.P.) but that still just blows my mind. Anyway the Hogan entry didn't have any glaring errors to me so it must have been fixed.  It even correctly listed his two AWA reigns which were only recently recognized. BronzeWarrior 09:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Candido was crowned NWA World champion after Shane Douglas threw the belt down in the infamous "they can all kiss my ass" shoot. He held it for a few months before dropping it to Dan Severn. - Chadbryant 09:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That explains.  I thought the NWA title had been vacated by his actions, I didn't realize they crowned an alternate champion or that Candido was their choice.  I'm surprised nobody made note of the fact he was a former world champion when he passed away - that's a real shame. BronzeWarrior 01:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Number of World Title Reigns]] has been Vandalized

message: I thought a page for the popular wrestler (the reactions he gets when I watch CMLL each week are HUGE) Dr. Wagner, Jr. was long overdue, so I took a stab at it.  Unfortunately a lot of the available information about him in english is conflicting or confusing.  I gave up trying to decide whether he actually debuted April 7 or April 27 since different websites asserted it as fact, and none had an up-to-date list of titles he held through 2006 so I can only assume he's been trios champion four times and not in fact more often than that, let alone any other belts he's held.  The one thing I felt almost absolutely sure about in the whole thing was his background in relation to his father and brother, but curiously no site I could find lists his full real name.  If anybody else can expand, correct, or fill in missing information I would be grateful for the assistance. BronzeWarrior 11:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Try the gimmick databank. It's a German website, but tends to be accurate. McPhail 17:31, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, now there's a helpful website! Muchas gracias! BronzeWarrior 20:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When in doubt, go with Luchawiki, those guys are for more reliable than anyone else when it comes to Lucha.  The articles needs some work but it's a good starting point.  And remember Mexico has states.--Darren Jowalsen 03:38, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right.  Thanks for the tips! BronzeWarrior 09:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr. Wagner, Jr. 

message: I've never seen such an atrociously awful article as the one I just fixed up for John Zandig, the guy who happens to own and wrestle in CZW (Combat Zone Wrestling). I'm willing to bet other biographies for these "backwater" hardcore wrestlers are of similarly poor quality.
It also becomes important at some point to measure whether or not certain wrestlers and promotions are important enough to have a bio. I'm not saying John Zandig in particular isn't a moderately important wrestling figure, as most wrestling enthusiasts are at least aware of CZW, but Wikipedia has a few wrestlers thus far that it can say virtually nothing about, because they're so small-time and undistinguished that they aren't really people meriting encyclopedic note. Most of the CZW roster fits this description.
In any event, Zandig's article needs work from someone who knows about him, as well as help from an editor who has time to relieve it of its incredible sloppiness. --Pathogen 09:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. I don't think we've come up with a decent criteria for inclusion yet. We should do that real soon, or Wikipedia will be flooded with wrestlers that really shouldn't have articles. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note i have been managing the edits of User:Samgibbs, who conciders himself the #1 fan of a small newly opened promototion in the UK called Real Quality Wrestling... i have met the 13yrold Mr Gibbs on a few forums were i informed him of wikipedia (big mistake i think sometimes) anyway i have been manging his mostly poor edits. I realised i didnt really wanna have to keep following his edits all the time so i tried contacting him in a varity of ways to help him write better articles but with little to no reponce; see Len Davies article's talk page for instance. He is mostly harmless but he has began to add lower indy wrestlers that havent even made much impact in UK wrestling. --- Paulley 14:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: John Zandig Bio

message: This is something that is really starting to get on my nerves. Why is it that TNA PPV results have a section for each match while WWE PPVs only get one subheading for all results? My first proposition is to do a big cleanup of this and turn them into one simple dot-pointed section with the results. 
The other thing that is annoying me is the fact TNA PPVs get their own individual page each. Sure, it's reasonable to have individual pages for Bound For Glory and Slammiversary similar to that of WrestleMania and SummerSlam but PPVs like Against All Odds can be compiled into one article surely. That's my second proposition. Normy 09:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The TNA recaps tend to be very comprehensive. Your energy would be better spent expanding the WWE, WCW, ECW and AAA show articles, which in many cases have nothing more than results. Making pages shorter and less detailed is not productive. McPhail 19:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So the idea of the final product is to have an individual page for each event that has happened? Sounds reasonable enough. Normy 09:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While some PPV's might seem relatively minor in the grand scheme of wrestling over the decades (and arguably are) the fact that promotions build up all their programming for the sole purpose of selling them to us month to month is probably enough to warrant a page for each, and the fact they put out DVD's for each one arguably says they consider them important too - at least from a profit making point of view. So I'd say a page for each event is reasonable - the level of detail necessary on those pages can of course be argued. BronzeWarrior 05:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TNA Pay-Per-Views 

message: I've been wondering considering the fact that it's only a week away, if it's right to restore the WWE Saturday Night's Main Event results page? While we agreed previously that we really didn't want to go into endless results pages, S.N.M.E. is more of a non-pay-per-view supercard compared to such shows as HEAT and Velocity. Plus with a card set up on the main article, I'm slightly worried over the fact somebody will add results to the article right after the show which I don't think we really want. --Oakster 18:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been bold and restored the article. Hope you guys are alright with this. --Oakster 10:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yea, it was a good idea. I also went through and basically redid the SNME page mainly to remove all the unneeded gumf on there --- Paulley 16:16, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[WWE Saturday Night's Main Event]] results 

message: Recent browsing of the Scott Steiner page has shown that there is no record of his history in any promotion prior to ECW, it's confounding because I remember reading not to long ago and having it noted that he was at least in the WWE prior to '95. - billz015
: Scott and Rick Steiner had a +very+ brief WWF run as a tag team before jumping to WCW.  I think they appeared at only one WrestleMania. That was Scott's only run with the company before being brought in as a Triple H opponent in the 21st century. BronzeWarrior 09:48, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scott Steiner 

message: Hi, I just signed up because I am very interested in re-working the Title History pages for TNA Wrestling, both to change the format to a more easily-readable table like the WWE title histories and I would also like to include complete information about sucessful title defenses. I already have all the information, just need to convert it to a WikiTable. However, one problem is that I can only do this for the NWA World title and the NWA World Tag Team titles for while they were under the auspices of TNA. Would I have to create a seperate entry for this information? What way should I go about doing this without stepping on the toes of those of you that already work on these pages?
:If you are going to do a project on the TNA version of the NWA World Tag Team Championship, it would need its own article, titled NWA World Tag Team Championship (TNA version). I recently added articles for the other versions of the NWA World tag title (Mid-Atlantic/WCW, San Francisco, etc.), and NWA World Tag Team Championship has thus evolved more into a disambiguation page. - Chadbryant 19:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually TNA has a 10 year license on both the NWA World Title and the NWA Tag Team Titles, so I don't think you need seperate entries.  They may nor promote themselves as being under the NWA banner any more but the belts are exactly the same as is the lineage. BronzeWarrior 07:34, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been multiple versions of the NWA World Tag Team Championship - TNA uses a distinct version, thus, any additions to Wikipedia concerning the TNA version should be placed in its own article. - Chadbryant 20:05, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The National Wrestling Alliance officially sanctions TNA's usage of their belts and counts it as their own lineage.  You can check out nwawrestling.com for confirmation.  If the NWA considers the WHT and WTT title histories to be the same as their own, who are we to try to separate them?  209.184.165.20 19:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not purposefully trying to be dense Chad, but I don't get the distinction.  TNA's world tag team titles are the official NWA World Tag Team Titles.  They are licensed from NWA and therefore I'm not sure how they are a "distinct version" different from previous ones.  Whoever held NWA's official world tag titles before TNA existed is now a former TNA world tag team champion by extension and vice versa because the lineage is 100% the same even if the design has undergone minor cosmetic alteration. Cena is still the WWE Champion even though he changed the title to a spinner, and anybody who held the belt before him is a former champion of "that belt" whether they like the spinner look or not. BronzeWarrior 08:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There have been multiple versions of the NWA World Tag Team Championship - several of these regional versions existed at the same time (most notably the Mid Atlantic, Detroit, & San Francisco versions). They all have distinct and separate lineages. The current version used by TNA was created in 1992. - Chadbryant 13:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TNA is currently using the OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED NWA World Tag Team Titles.  Its not like in the early 90's where there was no such official belt and everyone laid claim to having the WORLD tag titles and the NWA didn't discriminate.  209.184.165.20 19:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  TNA Title History and Defense 

message: I am proposing a "frequent target" template for use on the talk pages of various PW articles that seem to increase in size on daily basis. The template would read something like this:
This article is a frequent target for unregistered or new editors to add a week-by-week synopsis of kayfabe events, unconfirmed information, rumors, or other content irrelevant to an encyclopedic article. More experienced good-faith editors should watch for superfluous additions to this article that will only serve to make the article larger and harder to edit for style, clarity, and grammar.
Triple H, Kurt Angle, Mark Calaway, Randy Orton, & WrestleMania 22 would be leading candidates for such a template. Thoughts? - Chadbryant 20:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it is that irrelevant, revert it and call it vandalism. kelvSYC 20:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wiki editors are implored to "assume good faith" - tt's easier to assume that most of the superfluous content is from markish people editing anonymously or with newer accounts to insert non-encyclopedic content because they don't know any better, than to assume that it's flagrant vandalism. - Chadbryant 20:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not a bad idea. I'd like there to be a corresponding category as well so all such articles could be listed in one place. --Jtalledo (talk) 13:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

text: I have created . If anyone feels that it can be worded better, please let me know. - Chadbryant 23:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "Frequent Target" Template?

message: One should be made to reflect those arenas that have been sites of major wrestling events. MSG, Cricket Arena, Skydome, and so on come to mind. WillC 21:17, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a good idea, but what would be considered memorable sites?  Some of the sites in the Legends of Wrestling game are obvious, as well as sites like the Hammerstein Ballroom, Viking Hall, etc., but what about places like the Astrodome?  It was the home of WrestleMania X-7 and the largest-crowd for WCW Nitro ever, but would it be considered a memorable wrestling arena? 209.184.165.20 20:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrestling Arenas Category

message: Is this valid or just a fake article? To my Knowlege there is no such thing as WWE Juniors. I think it should be deleted but I don't know how to request deletion.
BionicWilliam 02:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no such thing. It's bogus. I'll list it for speedy. tv316 22:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were the midget division.....WillC 23:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article had nothing to do with the "midgets" on Smackdown!. - Chadbryant 00:04, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[WWE Juniors]]