Talk:Euston railway station

message: Named after Lord Euston I think.  There's a panel which explains the origins of the name on the Northern Line (Charing + branch) platform of the tube station, beneath one of the coat of arms decorations there.... are there any London-based wikipedians who care to go take a look? -- Tarquin 10:28 Feb 13, 2003 (UTC)
86.157.214.105 (talk) 08:39, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Naming 

message: I thought there are only 18 platforms? Also the sleeper trains are operated by Scotrail. It's been a while since I've been down there... Arwel 23:08 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC)
Clarification
Platforms 8-11 (known, I believe, as The Woods, on account of their previous construction--citation needed!) are exclusively for suburban trains, operated both by London Overground (formerly Silverlink Metro) and London-Midland (formerly Silverlink County). London Overground services usually depart from Platform 9. These platforms have automatic ticket barriers. --Pubwebmaster (talk) 19:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I just about remember Euston during the big rebuilding and have used those platforms (Watford DC and Bletcley/MK local) commuting before and since. I have never heard them called the Woods nor were they in my experience ever made of such. --AlisonW (talk) 20:12, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Platforms 

message: Should this article be called Euston station or Euston Station? The article uses, both (especialy in the picture captions) and one of eth pictures shows the latter. Andy Mabbett 15:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: ? Andy Mabbett 12:50, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalisation 

message: I'm copying this from the discussion on Talk:Birmingham New Street station for the bulk renaming of some articles, including this, to follow the naming convetions, as it's only relevant to here:
*Support but not for Euston. It has a tube station part. James F. (talk) 17:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move/merge 

message: We need to agree what should go in the  template at See also - is it the line or is it the service, or do we need both.  An anon editor replaced  West Coast Main Line with "London-Northampton line", which describes the service, not the line.  Likewise the Scotrail sleeper services that I took out for consistency, but now I'm not sure.  It is worth looking a big multi-directtions station like Bristol Temple Meads railway station to see the total picture that we are missing at Euston since it is a terminus (like Kyle of Lochalsh railway station!).  It seems that we need lines and services here too.  --Concrete Cowboy 17:27, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contents of the <<rail>> template 

message: The citation given for the proposed link cites in turn a page the Network Rail site — which is dead.  A search of Google using Euston-square link site:networkrail.co.uk has no finds.  Tubelines.co.uk has a 2003 press release to say that it has been contracted to examine the proposal but nothing more.  An April 2007 press release there, on refurbishment work at Euston Station, doesn't mention it.  Has the idea been spiked?  
(It is really needed.  It is painful for travellers with baggage heading for a WCML destination to have to drag cases up the steps at E-S, cross the road, then up more steps into Euston.  And of course it doesn't comply with DDA.) --Concrete Cowboy 12:33, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Euston/Euston Square link 

message: Someone edited the page to say it is a 17 minute walk from Euston to St. Pancras.  I changed it to say a "brief" walk, as the distance is less than half a mile and really shouldn't take anyone in any sort of shape that long.  Even with construction on Euston Road and all the CTRL stuff, I walked Euston-King's Cross in far less than that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.164.168 (talk • contribs) 
I walk between Euston and St Pancras 5 days a week for  work, admittedly I cut through Summerstown. Even when walking down Euston Road, this walk never takes longer than 10 minutes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:ca1a:f900:b8d7:2cd9:5aab:6996 (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  17 Minutes to St. Pancras?!?! 

message: I've beefed up this section, adding in sources to substantiate the criticism which has been made of the new station. Can the 'Weasel Words' heading now be removed? Ravenseft 12:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Architectural Controversy 

message: The seated are of the food court features mice walking around by customers feet.
Beggars often can be seen harrassing customers for money.
Have any of the people who have editing my comments ever been to Euston Station and looked around, or just cut and paste information from the internet?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.104.212.40 (talk) 10:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (1) Remember to sign your edits.  (2) Provide edit summary. (3) I work at Euston Station for Network Rail, and I cannot verify or accept your statements.  You need to provide a source for your facts else it will violate WP:NPOV (4) Please register as an editor and begin to learn about the Wikipedia:Five pillars. Canterberry 10:51, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Well I don't work at Euston or for any rail company.  But I do know how to read WP:VER, WP:RS, WP:OR, WP:NPOV and so on.  Also do not edit other's comments.  It is very bad form to do so. Regan123 11:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Let me clarify something that might have been misunderstood.  I work the Network Rail offices at Euston Station, and pass through the station every day. I have no particulr need to support the station. If it has a problem then fine, but lets have supportable facts, not speculation or presonal opinions. Euston is not my favourite station, it has numerous flaws, but they must be backed up by facts if they are to go in the article. IMHO, Euston is no better nor any worse thatn other station in London for problems with beggars etc. Hence one of my reasons for objecting to this paragraph ... if we must have it, then I see no reason whay every other london station shouldn;t have it too. But it MUST be supported by reliable sources. Canterberry 11:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rodents & Beggars 

message: The first paragraph of the article states "It is one of 17 British railway stations managed by Network Rail...".
1. Is there a list someone could produce, or a link to a page?
2. Is the count accurate?
Thanks, Ian --Ormers (talk) 22:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See here, each is listed down the left hand side. The count of 17 however is incorrect, that page lists 18. Adambro (talk) 23:00, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Network Rail managed stations

message: The HS2 study suggests transferring the "eight stopping services into London which are currently operated by London Midland from Milton Keynes, Tring, Berkhamsted and similar (on the slow lines)" to Crossrail. Now the services listed on this page do not add up to 8tph London Midland suggesting it needs updating but the original source isn't even given. Anyone know where this data is?- J.Logan`t: 11:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Services 

message: I propose to merge Euston tube station and Euston railway station because they are two separate articles for one complex and when other stations like Liverpool Street station and London Victoria station are just one article, it makes me wonder why two articles were created in the first place. Also there is London Underground info on this article itself - so why two articles, surely this creates confusion. Likelife (talk) 12:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge of the Euston's to Euston station or London Euston station 

message: I recently changed the Virgin services to follow their regular hourly daytime timetable rather than the current set-up which lists Watford Junction as the first stop for everything except Tamworth for the Glasgow trains (even though one Glasgow train stops at Milton Keynes), and it got reverted under 'Wikipedia is not a timetable' (even though I didn't make it into one). As far as I can tell standard practise on most articles is to put the regular daytime service pattern in the boxes, with less frequent earlier stops sometimes shown underneath. At the moment just putting Watford for everything somewhat defies the point of having the boxes at all because it doesn't tell the reader anything about the service patterns. They'll click to the Watford article which doesn't even distinguish between final destinations. So I wanted to put it out there to everyone on here, do you support changing it to the hourly daytime services (Milton Keynes for Chester trains, Warrington for Glasgow trains etc), oppose and want to keep the current set-up or do you think somewhere between the two? Tom walker (talk) 09:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think originally it was succession boxes on lines, but over time it appears to have morphed to succession boxes of services. If we're going with services, there should be about 8 VT lines, only one of which should say Watford. If we're going by line (which rather defeats the purpose of the TOC colours), then I think the next one is Harrow and Wealdstone. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we have to be very carefull that we do not turn these succession boxes into psuedo timetable info. mattbuck has a point, and I think that going to one succession box per TOC is probably a better way forward. There is a link in the infobox to the National Rail website which will give the relevant timetable info. I am not convinced that we should be following timetable patterns. Although the Manchester and Birmingham trains are relatively regular, the Glasgow and North Wales one are not. And then mixed gently with the Glasgow train which goes through Birmingham during the summer, and the Edinburgh - Birmingham train which also starts back at Euston. --Stewart (talk | edits) 11:14, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not saying 1 box per TOC, I'm saying we used to have one box per line - ie for Euston we'd have Watford DC line South Hampstead and WCML Harrow & Wealdstone (plus underground but no one cares about that). That would be it. No TOC colouring. -mattbuck (Talk) 11:38, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to be clear I don't propose replicating the entire timetable - The three Birmingham trains would not get separate boxes - I just think it should give the next stops as being the ones that weekday regular services use, possibly including a less common earlier stop underneath. One box for Virgin (or one box for the WCML) doesn't tell anyone anything as far as I can see. I propose a box for each regular destination (for Virgin that's Liverpool, Glasgow, Birmingham/Wolverhampton, Manchester and Chester) with the first stops being Stafford, Warrington, Watford and Milton Keynes respectively. Any detail about irregular services could be in the text above, if it needs to be included at all. That way the boxes just give an accurate idea of what services go where. I think there does need to be a standard agreed policy on this across the board, as looking around every station article is a bit different. Tom walker (talk) 12:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

text: I guess then this should go to the Project discussion to get a concensus. Elsewhere I have seen three, sometimes four stations listed because of the way service patterns go. Maybe the complex stopping patterns of the WCML just push ability to display sensible maintainable info to the limit. As a regular user of the Euston <<>> Glasgow trains, there is a semi-regular stopping pattern, however I would suggest less that 50% follow some sort of pattern - first stop out of Euston being Watford J, Coventry, Tamworth, Warrington BQ and Preston. Some of these also depend on where the Lancaster/Preston trains are situations within the timetable. Based on this saying Warrington BQ would be misleading since probably around 50% do not first stop Warrington (this is being written without reference to the timetable!). Incidentally I find the connections with XC at Tamworth from the 16:57 and 17:57 trains from Euston very useful. --Stewart (talk | edits)
===Toilets per Harem?===
I'm guessing that "tph" is short for "trains per hour", but I shouldn't have to guess in an encyclopedia article. --- Guest  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.28 (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Services boxes 

message: I'm guessing that "tph" is short for "trains per hour", but I shouldn't have to guess in an encyclopedia article. --- Guest  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.202.28 (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Toilets per Harem?

message: I am having some trouble editing the usage figures for the station, I have changed the numbers but the old ones seem to still be coming up! I tried changing "railexits" to "usage" but this just removed all of the figures! Can anyone shed some light on this? Absolutelypuremilk (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The answer is simple.  The parameter railexits1415 has not yet been included in Template:Infobox London station.  It only goes as far as railexits1314. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:23, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Now it has. Simply south  ...... time, deparment skies for just 9 years 14:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing the usage figures 

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replies: text: Seems OK Dr Sludge (talk) 10:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
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message: A discussion about possibly-confused stations was held here User_talk:Ritchie333#Heuston and Euston and following that I put the distinguish Heuston Station back after it had been deleted; also added Euston Square tube which is often confused, per suggestion in that discussion.
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thread_title: Possibly confused stations

message: Please read MOS:HYPHEN. "Avoid using a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary) ...". Chris the speller yack 22:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hyphen after a standard -ly adverb 

message: I made a bold edit that user:Ritchie333 reverted, so let's discuss. 
My reason for the changes were these:  
* It is generally poor practice to have images swapping wildly from left to right. There is an MOS on this somewhere.
*Portrait images should have "upright" set.
* Images should not have a fixed size (one has 150 px set).
In their edit note, Ritchie says that the left/right setting is needed for small screens. I previewed the changes on 11" screen, so how small is small? Not mobile obviously because the layout changes completely. 
I made some other corrections but it looks like it was the image issue that was the main reason for reverting.
Do other editors have a view? (Ritchie, you might want to coirect my paraphrase of your edit note or expand on it.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:32, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I meant large monitors, not small - sorry. However, this version looks awful on 1080p in my view, all the images are jammed up next to each other after the infobox, to the extent that the section "1960s rebuild" has a picture of the 1888 station layout. That doesn't make sense. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: And on small monitors, the text is squeezed between the images and equally looks awful. So it is really an MOS issue: do we write for desktops or for laptops and tablets? (but the style for most articles is pics down the RHS only). I'm not really motivated to pursue, so I'll let it drop. But I do think the section title "New station" needs changing before the "New New station" gets built. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:57, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image layout (WP:BRD) 

message: I remember the policeman running out to the forecourt as we were waiting for our Scottish sleeper to be announced and for a six year old lad with his mum and little brother and an uncle, we orderly left the station to regroup in a small park garden a fair distance away and that police officer literally bellowing "Get out, theres a bomb" as we moved out from the main entrance was quite frightening for everyone.
My father with his car at the Motorail terminal in Kensington was doing his pieces, that was the time it just all went wrong as we were put onto a later train but thanks to me dad we got a first class cabin and so we awaited him in Inverness for his train to arrive and found they had unloaded his Hillman Hunter at Stirling and so he and we had to wait at BR's expense in the big station hotel there for BR to tag his car onto the next up Motorail the next day.
Another year, we had decided to travel as one family from Kensington Motorail when a shunter was killed by a shifting coach that speared the poor man who was incidentally a working friend of my father and as he was the ranking BR man on the spot and Olympia was just on the edge of the SR he had to take control best he could and so we were whisked away to Euston to catch the held back sleeper and both my brother and I had a great sense of trepidation going back into the station and even my mum was uncommonly nervous.
So an eyewitness from that very night, it was truly terrifying especially when the police came to talk to us they said they had little warning and ironic too that in later years my own mother became an official code-taker for warnings from the IRA at her newspapers.   It was a duty she abhorred because of the potential death and destruction her news portended.
92.11.135.180 (talk) 18:21, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRA attack 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: Not moved.  Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 05:10, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Euston railway station →  – This is a procedural nomination. The article was unilaterally moved to this title by  with the rationale "", but I believe consensus is necessary first. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:35, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Could we also review the stations in Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/London station group/archive2? Some have "London", some don't. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: A word of caution.  Using the official names will give us London Charing Cross railway station, London Fenchurch Street railway station, etc, with the sole exception of London London Bridge railway station.  Such a policy is not consistent with WP:COMMONNAME. Tevildo (talk) 09:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 9 September 2022