Talk:NHL entry draft

message: I noticed that in the list of drafts it jumps from 2006 to 2008. Is there any reason for this? Where is 2007? Masterhatch 17:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of drafts 

message: The Player Numbers By League Summary is out of date - hasn't been updated since the 2003 draft. I've put a template up, hopefully it can be fixed. BoojiBoy 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Table out of date

message: I've changed the "draft steal" from Dominik Hasek to Dino Ciccarelli. My reasoning is that I'm not sure that Hasek can be considered a steal - he was a total shot in the dark because he was playing in Czechoslovakia at the time and was not considered likely to defect to the West. I don't think that you can say that the Blackhawks "stole" him merely because the Berlin Wall fell six years later. BoojiBoy 15:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Steals 

message: *I was wondering if anybody knows anything at all about the supplemental drafts.  I am particularly looking for draft dates and locations, but I am under the impression that they were at the same locations.  As of now I can confirm that '93 and '94 drafts were in the same location as the main draft from here, but as I said I am not sure the dates are the same but I would have to assume they are.  Right now I am in the midst of doing the grunt work of just getting the information onto the supplemental draft pages and I plan to be done all the drafts within the next few days. MBob 00:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Supplemental Drafts

message: I don't know enough to do it myself, but I think the Lottery should be mentioned in this article TheHYPO 14:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Now added, along with the rest of the draft seeding procedure. — Lomn 18:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Draft Lottery? 

message: Per WP:V, et al, I've removed the entire busts/steals section.  Its a wholly unsourced subjective list.  Should worthwhile sources emerge, I see nothing wrong in principle with the section returning, but I think it's important not to let it devolve back into another overlong list like the article is unfortunately already saddled with.  For those interested in re-adding the section, here's the diff of the lists at the time of my removal. — Lomn 18:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  busts and steals removed 

message: does anyone know if there any financial compensation to drafted amateurs former minor league teams?
(ie: when Sidney Crosby was drafted to the NHL, did his junior team the Rimouski Océanic receive any financial return?)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.95.254 (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Extremely late answer here, but no, I can't imagine that they would. The draft is a strictly internal NHL agreement, and the only parties bound by a draft choice are the 29 NHL franchises that didn't draft the player. As for when the player actually signs an NHL contract, that is a different matter of course. If the player is still under contract with another club, that club is in a bargaining position because it could simply refuse to release the player from the contract, and sue him for breach if he leaves the club anyway. While most clubs aren't too keen on actually prohibiting their players from taking a chance like this, they will certainly demand remuneration. There is a general contract between the NHL and the IIHF currently under renegotiation (and contention, as some European clubs feel the figures are too low), but I don't know if the Canadian leagues would be covered by that. If the player is not under contract, I don't think any such demands can be made (compare the soccer situation: Bosman ruling and Transfer (football)#FIFA's solidarity mechanism). —JAO • T • C 10:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I know that when a Swedish player moves to NHL, his Swedish club(s) is paid $225000 as per a signed agreement between NHL and the Swedish hockey league. In return, any player has the right to break off his contract if he gets signed to an NHL club, the club cannot refuse the transfer. I would assume there are similar agreements with many other leagues. MatsT (talk) 10:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  compensation? 

message: To most of us, it's probably kind of obvious why the lottery takes place, but it could certainly be covered in some detail. How common was it, for instance, for teams to actually be accused of throwing games for draft purposes? I vaguely recall that this might have been one of the reasons that Eric Lindros didn't want to sign with the Nordiques, but I'm certainly not sure about that... —JAO • T • C 10:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't cite any references, but I do remember actual stats from sports analysts. Teams would play second, third, and fourth lines more often in games near the end of the regular season. This was not illegal nor controllable. It however did give the less experienced players more ice time against teams that were hungry and strong trying to get higher standing for the play-offs. There may have been other ways as well. I don't have the desire to find citations, but others may wish to for the article.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:57, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reason for lottery 

message: Resolute removed the section Compensatory draft selection here, however the section is referenced and contains useful information, so unless there is a consensus that this section does not belong in this article, I will restore it. Dolovis (talk) 01:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: You never learn to step back, read and understand, do you?  The material you are complaining about is already in the article.  As I explained in the edit summary, I merely removed your duplication of said content.  I already merged your compensatory draft selection article, rewording as needed to fit into the article. Resolute 02:52, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  It reads better as it own section. Dolovis (talk) 03:18, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: A single paragraph rarely makes a good section. If you can bring in other aspects of the system of compensatory picks to create a decent section out of it, by all means.  Historically, for instance, teams would trade for pending UFA's they knew they couldn't sign because it would net them a pick (Theoren Fluery to the Sharks, and Curtis Joseph to the Flames, as two examples).  That might give you a basis from which to find sources and build a section. Resolute 04:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Compensatory draft selection 

message: The "Eligible Players" section header has the first letter in each word as an upper-case letter. As far as I know, usually only names should be capitalized. Is it correct to capitalize both words? If yes, is there some policy/guideline information I'm missing? HeyMid (contribs) 21:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that is counter to the MOS.  Only proper names should be capitalized. Resolute 23:18, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization in headers 

message: It's no longer the Entry Draft, as there isn't the Waiver Draft to differentiate from.  Can we make this page just the NHL Draft and include the history of the previous time as NHL Entry Draft?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arusnak (talk • contribs) 19:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree.  Dicklyon (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to get rid of 'Entry' 

message: The thing which I do not understand is how can teams be trading draft picks if the results (standings) of future seasons as well as the outcome of the respective lottery -- these being the two determining factors for a draft position -- are not known to them? As far as I know, teams are trading specific (eg a No 2 pick) and not just any pick in a future draft. There should be an (obvious) answer to this, it's just I haven't figured it out yet ... Thanks to anyone who is helping me out on this!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.33.91.2 (talk) 13:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Team A own a pick in a certain round.  So they trade say their 1st round pick 2016.  They trade it.  Now team B owns that pick (and their own) in the first round.  Where the obtained pick will occur will depend on how team A finishes and lottery results. I guess it is sort of like a futures market. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:42, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Exactly.  It is something of a gamble on the part of the team acquiring the pick.  They will know what round the pick they acquire will be in, but not the specific place until the season ends.  Some trades are designed to account for this.  The Jay Bouwmeester trade to St. Louis, for example, included a 2013 first round pick going to Calgary.  However, as a condition of that deal, if the Blues missed the playoffs (thus drafting between 1-14, depending on the lottery result), they would have instead given Calgary their 2014 first round pick, plus an extra fourth rounder. Resolute 13:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trading of draft picks 

message: It is unnecessary to include a French translation of "Entry Draft" at the start of the English article.  It adds nothing to the content of the article and its inclusion is arbitrary.  There is no reason to select French as the one foreign language that gets its own translation.  There is already a French version of the article, which, by the way, does not currently have a translation of the article's topic into English - and so it should not.  The insistence of editors to include a French translation in what is an English language encyclopedia article seems to me the politically motivated actions of language activists. 2001:569:79A0:6300:B87F:EBC0:491B:FFFA (talk) 23:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Get off your soapbox, you're just upset that you're not going to get your way. If there was any policy or good reason to make the changes that you proposed they would have been made and accepted as the consensus of the community. You lost this one, move on. Deadman137 (talk) 02:36, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Translation of "Entry Draft" 

message: Stating that the teams draft "amateur players", when in fact they draft both amateur and professional players, is plainly inaccurate. It's like saying that the NHL teams are based in the U.S. because most NHL teams are. The sentence "teams take turns selecting amateur players from junior, collegiate, or European leagues" is particularly misleading since amateur players are virtually never drafted from European leagues that are not junior.BlueSwede92 (talk) 14:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Amateur" 

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message: Why is it that we dont include letter like Ä, Ö, Å, Ø, ẞ, Š in the player and team names in the articles about the drafts? --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Because this is a non-bio NHL article & we don't use diacritics in such articles. They are used in (for example) IIHF articles. GoodDay (talk) 19:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player and team names 

message: The text does not match what the cited NHL's Hockey Operations Guidelines say.  I would update it myself but translating the NHL's wording into plain English is probably better left for someone more practiced in hockey talk.
Currently it says:
 All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.
Whereas the NHL says:
 Entry Draft Eligibility
 All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except:
 (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out;
 (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts;
 (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement;
 (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20
And yes, the NHL managed to misspell "player" in exception (iv).
- Wikkiwonkk (talk) 19:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eligible players section way out of date 

message: There are two lotteries held, but the table is a little wrong here. It was explained in the lottery video that if a team that doesn't have a chance to 1st overall pick wins the first lottery, Ducks will keep the 1st overall pick regardless of the result of the second draw and the first lottery winner has its draft position locked. 
Therefore, if Senators had won the first lottery, they would have moved to 2nd with Ducks keeping 1st. Then the second lottery winner would have got 3rd pick. I think the table on the 2023 NHL Entry Draft is therefore correct. 2001:14BA:5045:2C00:7C05:AEC0:B17:995D (talk) 07:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current lottery odds 

message: FWIW a recently closed RFC, may effect 'this' page & related pages. GoodDay (talk) 15:57, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: (copied from my other comment for visibility) As the RfC closer, I can confirm that the close applies only to pages related to the NFL draft and has no impact on other leagues or sports. There was some discussion of them at the RfC, but was unrelated to the RfC question or the consensus reached. Anyone trying to use it to bypass discussion on other articles is not interpreting the close correctly. The WordsmithTalk to me 17:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Potential page moves