Talk:Oakland City Center

message: This article seems to have a negative tone instead of a neutral tone to it. Miskatonic 20:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The difference here is that Miskatonic's "bias" is not strewn all across the master article, while 70.199.102.193's is.  The master article is not the place to describe what should be but simply what is.  The "what is" could include a mention that a difference of opinion exists, but it should not be a persuasive argument one way or the other.  As a side note, if anyone has valid issues with the planning of the Oakland City Center, some of that should go into the discussion of urban renewal, eminent domain, redevelopment, et al, as the City Center is not an isolated example of such practices. Michael Patrick 18:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

text: Wear your adult gloves while writing letters to the Tribune or East Bay Express editors, but don't publish them on Wikipedia. Michael Patrick 18:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article Neutrality

message: I have never heard of this place before now have no feelings about it one way or another. This article still needs neutrality work, but more importantly, a controversial subject like this needs to be referenced inline like the featured articles are - meaning that the references are given when the statements based upon them are given, and they need to be given again after each use (if a whole paragraph is based upon one source, just put it at the end and if sources are switched mid-paragraph, put the reference after the last sentence it is used in). The reason for this is the extraordinary claims that the article makes, such as "Contracted private security guards vigilantly police the area to expel Oakland's own version of the Dalit (outcaste), the "untouchable" homeless, mentally ill, and local high school students." 
Also, the sources must be reliable. I am very suspicious of the "Oakland: Dark Star in an Expanding Universe" PDF due to the dearth of actual citations, rather than side remarks, in some areas, as well as the often sloppy citations (only a last name and a year are given in some cases and there is no bibliography to find out what the heck publication he is talking about). Finally, I am unable to verify the existence of Operation Padlock in Oakland in a non-Wikipedia online source (mirrors show up). See this search. Two of the results are mirrors of Wikipedia, one is the source itself, one is an irrelevant result (the U.S. Navy) and the last one is talking about a New York City program (there was also a program in the U.K. with the same name). There is a ton of stuff that is not online, but I would expect a program like that in a city so big, and occurring so recently, to have a few relevant results, at the least. This and the lack of citations make me believe that it is not a reliable source. 
I'm guessing that the center is privately owned, as the article is ambiguous, "...City Center is seen by many Oakland residents as an island of private property acquired through eminent domain." Those would be facts, if true, not something that residents "see". I suggest that it be rephrased (it also needs a citation to prove that that is the view of many Oakland residents). Anyway, if it is privately owned, then the tirade about freedom of speech and assembly are meaningless, since you do not have a right to do those things on someone else's property. You may not like your neighbor, but you have not right to go into his yard or house and protest against his wishes. The same thing goes for your neighbor's business. -- Kjkolb 11:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: Array of smoothie shops?  My ass.  Also, what it so great about Max's?  And where can you get a "wrap" there?  Those resturants turn over so fast its not even funny, why try to list them here, it's just on par with a food court but it has a different layout.  Also, gritty to the East?  Do you mean West?  What "working class bar" is West?  Radio?  Ruby?  And were is there a residential hotel East of there and West of the Lake?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.107.130.198 (talk) 05:03, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
>>>>Hey guy...you obviously don't know the area, or perhaps its history.  It is gritty around here, though slowly 'gentrifying.'  Radio and the Ruby Room are both working class bars and so is Pats on Franklin.  The Golden Bull is now Awaken Cafe.  I do agree it is a glorified food court.  Residential hotels: The St. Mark Hotel at 10th and Franklin, The Menlo Hotel at 13th and Webster, The Hotel Harrison at 14th and Harrison.  All of these are SRO (single room occupancy) hotels, some with shared baths.  The former Will Rogers hotel was the same.  It is currently being upgraded into a luxury boutique type joint.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.209.133.82 (talk) 08:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I call bullshit 

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thread_title:  WikiProject class rating

message: This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
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