Talk:Powertrack

message: Hi Duffaboy, 
Thanks for making edits to the Powertrack page. 
Question - would you happen to have any images for the two Saab Powertrack Cars?
If so, could you post them?
Thanks.
Ponyxprss 03:19, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: First of all, although I am not a Powertrack collector, this is a really good overview.  Well done.  
I was wondering if your mention of the PT6100 Race & Chase is either in error or should be modified.  The pictured set clearly shows a German green-and-white "Polizei" Porsche on its cover (the wording is also German), yet you claim it contains an Italian version of the Porsche, which would be "Polizia" and in other colors.  So either it is in German colors, or you might want to consider adding a comment that the contents of the box do not match the picture on the box.
Jtnet 09:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions re. corrections/errata

message: I have some of these cars whose photos are being deleted, already photographed for imminent eBaying. I'll get uploading. Dino246 17:39, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: On closer inspection I see that the cars I have are the UK models for which we have free images. Sorry. Dino246 18:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncopyrighted photos of cars 

message: Blimey! who's blasted holes in this page then? Xysdad01 spent quite sometime uploading a comprehensive history of Powertrack for the interest of enthusiasts and hobbyists only. We are talking about a hobby product that has long been obsolete and yet here we are in 2007 being shackled by US right issues. The photos uploaded were my own photos of existing product and artworks I own and as such were 'created by me'. Curiously, I have uploaded all the images using the same conventions but the wikipolice seem to have only picked up on some of them. I wouldn't mind, but I am completely flummoxed by the jargon used by Wikipedia and haven't a clue what I am supposed to actually do to stay within wiki-rules. Apologies to enthusiasts but unless anyone can advise me with a sensible protocol to follow I will be unable to upload more data.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xysdad01 (talk • contribs) 20:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Scanned or photographed literature, brochures etc are problematic, even if the source company long since ceased to exist. The copyright of that old promotional material is more than likely owned today by Hot Wheels. The safest option is to take original photographs of the cars/track. As I observed already, I have access to much of the UK produce but I have no idea where to begin sourcing original photographs of the US stuff. Dino246 22:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Complete Nonsense

message: Who ever is doing this, hasn't got the common decency to explain their rationale, they are self appointent vandals. The information in this article is correct, so what gives them the right to change it or critise it, none.
If content is wrong, then explain why in common english or fix it.
If a student is studying the History of Matchbox, then where on the web is he/she is going to get this information from as there is nowhere else to find it, Matchbox hasn't bothered nor have the individual who is trying to pull the pictures from this page.
Finally if I take a picture of something then who owns the copyright, thats right me.
Duffaboy
:The 'vandal' deleting the pictures appears to be an automated bot simply deleting photos labelled as copyrighted. The remaining photos/scans in the article are (rightly or wrongly) labelled as having been posted by the copyright holder and so are not candidates for deletion. Many of them are in fact scanned images from brochures and so are not really copyright-free unfortunately. It would be advisable to replace them with genuinely free images if they can be generated. As you correctly state, if you take the photo then you own the copyright and can legally upload the image. What isn't legit is to scan or photograph a brochure picture, you have to take a photo of the car/item itself. Dino246 (talk) 13:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I agree

message: Well, thanks for the support chaps. I have to agree with Dino246 (Fiat or Ferrari I wonder?) that brochure pix cannot be 'legal' but I can't accept that a photo of anything I own is illegal. If I take a photo of Leicester Square do I have to ask Coca Cola, JVC & Fuji if I can publish it? Crazy world for crafty legals but it certainly lasted for a while and could have been a useful resource. However, it does explain why most other sites on wikipedia are so text heavy and unexciting. If anyone knows of a Matchbox Enthusiast site that might be interested in Powertrack material let me know, as I have tons. When I get time, I might expand the text on this page but you might be frustrated at the lack of 'evidence' I can produce. However, though my prose might offer opinion it is only based on factual evidence I have around me.
One other thing, I believe the rarest car must be the Red Saab 900 with the Chequered pattern on it. I know of one person who claims to have a purple one but I have not seen evidence of it. I think both the green Saab and yellow Escort are losing their exclusivity. Other ones to watch out for are the yellow Scirocco, red Stingray and Police car with the shield on the bonnet/hood. And don't forget the fabled Helicopter and then there's the Red Escort with the chequered roof that I saw as a kid...
Happy hunting chaps...
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=== Copyright ===
Surely Matchbox aren't going to mind about and old product they have'nt made for years. Its not mentioned on their website is it ?
Duffaboy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.215.64 (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Copyright law and Wikipedia policy are quite specific. If you can get a letter from Mattel giving permission for the use of Powertrack brochure images on Wikipedia then we can use them. Otherwise we can't assume anything. It's their trademark, their property, their copyright. I want the images to stay too. I used to think I had examples of every car and piece of track they ever made - this page is the only place on the internet that showed me how wrong I was(!), but we have to do it by the book and that means no copyrighted images without express permission from the copyright holder.Dino246 (talk) 06:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Thanks

message: Surely Matchbox aren't going to mind about and old product they have'nt made for years. Its not mentioned on their website is it ?
Duffaboy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.215.64 (talk) 22:58, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Copyright law and Wikipedia policy are quite specific. If you can get a letter from Mattel giving permission for the use of Powertrack brochure images on Wikipedia then we can use them. Otherwise we can't assume anything. It's their trademark, their property, their copyright. I want the images to stay too. I used to think I had examples of every car and piece of track they ever made - this page is the only place on the internet that showed me how wrong I was(!), but we have to do it by the book and that means no copyrighted images without express permission from the copyright holder.Dino246 (talk) 06:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Copyright 

message: Here we go again. It really would be a shame to lose all these great informative images from this article. They prove the existence of rare Powertrack items that anyone studying the history of Powertrack would find very useful. I've added the following rationale to the TR720 image. I'm open to suggestions for improvements. Can someone with better knowledge of what constitutes 'fair-use' in US law comment please? Is this enough?
Dino246 (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well the image got deleted anyway so apparently the rationale wasn't rational enough. Seems there's no alternative to tracking down the items and taking photographs of them. Dino246 (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Nice work. Just as well someone has backed up the info and photos that were/are here as they are being systematically deleted and the net had been lacking an authoritative Powertrack history. Dino246 (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggested 'fair-use rationale' 

message: Hi there - Xysdad here just to say I am compiling the above mentioned webpage and I aim to put down everything I know - its early days but at least I can illustrate what I'm talking about. If anyone has any thing they want to contribute then contact me via website. I suggest somebody strip the unclean images from here and I/they can organise the text appropriately.
Signing off...
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Stunning work, lets hope this will stop the vandals from altering this piece of Matchbox History and may be worthwhile bining this article when finished..
Duffaboy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.215.64 (talk) 19:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Powertrackshak.blogspot