Talk:Light Warriors (8-Bit Theater)

message: This article makes no sense as a standalone. The way it is now, it needs the context of the Characters of 8-Bit Theater article. It also can't easily be found by a search for "black mage," which is what most people will search for - his surname is, in the context of the comic, not much more than a minor detail. To merit the single article it would need a serious overhaul (which, incidentally, it does anyway for the ridiculous amount of unnecessary and redundant information contained) and possibly be moved to "Black Mage (8-Bit Theater) for greater accessibility. The same goes for its three counterparts. --R. Wolff 11:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Note: this was a comment on the separate articles for each character. It's fine now. --R. Wolff 08:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: I have made a quick and dirty merge of the four light warriors.  It seems like there's a lot of extra baggage on these entries, but I am not sufficiently familiar with the comic to know which parts to cut out and what to keep.  A good rule of thumb, though is to cut out anything you can't readily find sources for.  In other words, if it looks like it's speculation, it should go.  I have also modified the Characters article to point at this one instead of the individual articles. –Abe Dashiell (t/c) 21:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merged 

message: I've done some major trimming work.  To anyone looking to expand it again, just remember: this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site.  Full character biographies are the last thing we need. - Kalarchis 00:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it was necessary. That was part of a small story arc (as far as we can tell) and a funny spoof of The Usual Suspects. It's pretty obvious that his name is not that. -- RevRagnarok Talk Contrib Reverts 13:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming 

message: As shown in episode 186, Black Mage's conscience consists of his evil side and his more evil side. I'll add this for now. This seems of lesser importance, but still useful in describing BM's character. So feel free to revert, but offer a reasonalbe explanation why you did. You Can't See Me! 06:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's very useful for describing his character, thanks for adding it. I took the liberty to shorten it a bit, though - I don't think we need to describe that incident in detail. --R. Wolff 13:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Mage's Conscience 

message: I noticed that near the beginning of this section it says BM's actually a "nexus" of some sort. I don't recall reading this in any of the strips and I was wondering if the author may have been mistaken by Fighter's speech during their first random encounter, where he describes BM as "a nexus of power".-Bisected8 19:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Where've you been during the whole Class Change storyarc? =P Nah, but seriously, look here , here and here . That's perfectly legitimate. Good call though, lord knows some edits are full of this kinda stuff.--R. Wolff 18:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ....I'll shut up now. - Bisected8 13:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black Mage's bio 

message: Regarding BM and Fighter's "last names", those were made up by Figher. I really don't think we can accept those as canon. -Zero.exe
Brian had said that they were originally throwaway gags, but then he seems to hint that they are very well canon.  Also, Red Mage had used Fighter's last name later.  --Jopasopa 20:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Surnames 

message: It says in Black Mage's article that his doppelganger is "presumably the incarnation of wrath". I thought the point of it being a doppelganger was that the regular monsters they have representing sins didn't cut it. And seeing as there's nothing to confirm it in the comic I'll edit it.--Something unpredictable 10:01, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrath? 

message: It says "the comic's only instance of the word "fuck"." under BM's section, but he is clearly seen saying it again in 687. Maybe we can say the only "clearly visible instance"? --Jopasopa 12:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  F-word 

message: Everyone he knows and everyone he doesn't know would logically require it to be everyone, in entirety. Show me how I'm wrong. --75.2.39.183 08:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Toward almost everyone..." 

message: Explaining said edit by me.
* The list of adjectives at the start was getting ridiculously long. We don't need to list every single thing, just explain what his character is generally like.
* A face can't really be more non-Euclidean than anything else.
* We don't need to retell little details like Matoya looking up lottery numbers, that's what led to this article being stuffed with insignificant info in the past.
* Is the fact that he said "fuck" really all that important? Even if you decide it is, I'd refrain from explaining every nuance of the event, or someone will mention how the word was transparent, too.
--R. Wolff 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: She said she was looking for lottery numbers, so it should be in; I know I'd make use of such little details no one looks for in future references, just so people can feel dumb for not knowing.  His general character, if actually accurately presented, would be: "Black Mage is the most evil character in the history of fiction."  Totally NPOV, that; saying he's totally badass, on the other hand, would be POV, despite being true. We could say his face was so insanity-inducing that it induces insanity, perhaps. Lastly, yes, it is quite important, because the FCC gets so up in arms about it, and BM lines don't give a damn. --Chr.K. 05:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The FCC regulates webcomic content? The word is all over the internet, 8BT doesn't break a major taboo. Still, while I'd argue it's not significant, I'm not objecting to mentioning it in passing. Only the whole "first occurrence but only first real occurrence but spread over two panels (but in large letters, but transparent, but only half transparent etc.)" thing struck me as ridiculously detail-obsessed. --R. Wolff 14:04, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit from April 8 to Black Mage 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BlackMage.PNG

message: :Image:FighterKnight.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:FighterKnight.gif

message: Where it says:
"His stealing abilities were increased as well, even to the point where he could steal things from the future, as he did with his class change, and alter the past (he said he stole his outfit from the future), which constituted him retroactively changing his costume from red to black."
How do we know they've been increased? He's been able to steal things that don't exist and fill an infinite bag of holding way before that. Those sound more impressive (although for argument's sake, we'll say they're on the same scale) than stealing from the future. --Jopasopa 02:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Come to think of it, we really don't. All we have to go by is what Thief said himself, and he's known for not being the most reliable narrator, so to speak. Then again it is the only thing we have to go by. Apart from all that I really don't think Clevinger's color-changing joke can in any way be read as Thief having the ability to alter the past. In fact that joke is fairly hard to explain concisely without getting into too much detail and might be better off left out of the description entirely. I'll make according changes. --R. Wolff 22:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

text: I did. Thief being married has no significance for either the plot or his character at this point. --R. Wolff 14:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thief 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:BlackMageKing.JPG

message: In it the article has a link to the Keebler Cookie Company. I get that it may be a play on words but...seriously? A cookie company?Wise dude321 (talk) 06:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The joke might not be particularly obvious to everyone. I don't see a problem with such a subtle explanation. bahamut0013♠♣  13:08, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thief (Again!) 

message: Since the creator of the comic redesigned the website, he changed all of the links to archived comics. None of the references are currently working. Someone needs to fix them. 1:15 EST 24 April 2009
:Nuklear Power changed the comic archive system, and as such, all the links to the comics are broken. 24.20.225.158 (talk) 00:23, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: All links on this page have been fixed and tested. However, I noticed that there are multiple duplicated references on this page. The Characters page does not have this problem, but I don't know how to fix that problem at the moment. Primalmoon (talk) 07:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've taken care of the duplicates. Excellent job! You can learn more at Wikipedia:Footnotes#Naming a ref tag so it can be used more than once. bahamut0013wordsdeeds  09:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Refrences