Talk:Emperor Gaozu of Han

message: I moved this page from "Emperor Gao of Han" to "Gaozu of Han" to reflect the "use most common name in Chinese" rule. In Chinese, the most common name is "Han Gaozu" which translates to "Gaozu of Han" in English. --Jiang 07:35, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Is there a source for the prison transport story? This appears to be confused with the Chen Sheng Wu Guang Uprising, but I have found no source which confirms the listed reason for Liu Bang's revolt.
Liu Bang (Gaozu or Gaodi) seems in fact to contradict it. Liu Bang and Xiang Yu offers a different story, with superficial similarities though (workers escort, but with desertion as the main issue, and no mention of the remainder joining his army).
The prisoner transport story is true for both Liu Bang and Chen Sheng. The fact is at that time Qin Dynasty drafted a lot of men to build Great Wall and other labors.
Yiyu 06:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Mads-madas, it's in his biography in the Shiji (vol. 8), also carried (with a few extra details) in the Book of Han (vol. 1). It probably doesn't have a citation because its presence on Wikipedia predates citations on Wikipedia. Folly Mox (talk) 11:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rebellion reason 

message: The relevant passage that was used to suggest that Gaozu of Han's relationship with those younger attendants were homosexual ones presumably came from Chapter 125 of Shi Ji, entitled the Biography of the Wicked Favorites (佞幸列傳).  This is how I'd render the relevant part of the passage:
:Many were favored for their appearance.  After Han was established, although Gaozu was harsh and unrefined, Ji Ru was favored for his flattery.  And during Emperor Hui's time there was Hong Ru.  These two were not known for their abilities, but because they were careful in their flattery.  They lay with the emperors.  The officials therefore often relayed their requests through those two.  So during the times of Emperor Hui many court officials wore jewlery, belts made of shells, and put on makeup, to be more like Ji and Hong.  The two eventually moved to Anling [the location of Emperor Hui's tomb].
My translation isn't really much different from Hinsch's, but Hinsch omitted the context of the passage; this was in a group of officials who were known for their flattery -- not necessarily for their sexuality.  There might have been sexual relationships, but it's hardly shown.  Sima Qian went on to list, in this same list, two individuals whom I (and later on, officials of Emperor Ai's time clearly felt so as well) believe could have had sexual relationships with the emperor -- Deng Tong, with Emperor Wen, and Han Yan, with Emperor Wu -- but the evidence was far stronger with regard to Han than with Deng.  But here's the crucial part: he also listed several individuals who were clearly not considered to have had sexual relationships with the emperors, including Zhao Tong (favored by Emperor Wen for his fortunetelling skills), Beigong Buozi (not as clear why; I interpret it as that he was a good procurer of musical talents for Emepror Wen), Zhou Wenren (favored by Emperor Jing, apparently only for his flattery), Li Yannian (favored by Emperor Wu for his musical skills and his beautiful sister Consort Li, who bore several sons for Emperor Wu), Wei Qing (favored because his sister was Emperor Wu's empress Empress Wei Zifu and later for his military skills), and Huo Qubing (similar situation; he was Empress Wei's nephew).  It would be a highly strained interpretation that all these men had sexual relations with the respective emperors.  It is possible, but of the list that I gave you starting from Zhao, I can conceive of a sexual relationship between Emperor Wu and Li -- but that's it.  To create this many sexual relationships out of thin air is simply stretching things.
Another thing is that Hinsch reads the character "Ru" (孺) as "boy"; I don't see it that way.  No other person in this list is listed by family name only.  It's far more likely that the two both had "Ru" as their personal names, which would defeat Hinsch's reading entirely.  --Nlu 04:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross reference to [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 November 30]] -- largely to [[User:Haiduc|Haiduc]] 

message: The current article name Gaozu of Han does not reflect that he was an emperor. Besides that, it doesn't match with articles of other Chinese emperors, e.g. Emperor Gaozu of Tang not Gaozu of Tang, Emperor Taizu of Song not Taizu of Song. IMO, the article should be moved to Emperor Gaozu of Han. --Joshua Chiew 08:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article name 

message: In the current revision of the article, Liú Bāng is written in Hanyu Pinyin (i.e. with tones) throughout, while most other names dispense with the tones as is normal in English. It should be regularized to whatever Wikipedia's standard is these days - I assume that means removing the tones. Zhwj 16:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency in Naming 

message: Can someone look it up and put down the Chinese characters (traditional and simplified)
in the main article page?
Thanks!
Il consiglieri (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Liu Bang in Chinese characters 

message: Almost all the info on this page comes from http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Emperor-Han-Gaozu-of-China which wasn't even cited until I did it. Seriously, this page needs work.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by PEiP (talk • contribs) 21:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to do a revamp in the next few days. I'm planning to start with translated info from Chinese Wikipedia and Baidu Baike. Any suggestions for improvements from anyone? _LDS (talk) 05:45, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've basically rewritten the sections about his early life and the Chu–Han contention. I'll leave the other sections to other editors who are more familiar with them than me. The evaluation part needs some citations as well. _LDS (talk) 08:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The evaluation section is still the most lacking on the page. How important do others feel it is to the article? I've seen other articles have a Legacy section that discusses impact, which I think could be more appropriate. I will look into it more, but if anyone else has an opinion, I'd like to hear it. —Zujine|talk 16:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Almost everything after the introduction and early life sections need more citations. Most sections have no citations at all. Levi.keith (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs more sources/revamp 

message: Was he also referred to as Han Gaodi? If so, can the name "Gaodi" be added to this article? 173.88.241.33 (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: To add to article

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