Talk:John Tiedtke

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Is he connected or related to Tiedtke's Department Store Tiedtke's in Toledo, Ohio?  It's not a common name.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting person. This is the type of biography Wikipedia excels at being so valuable. -- GreenC 14:42, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: User:GreenC I thought this was a better and more worthy addition to the encyclopedia, or at least more utilitarian, than the average porn star bio (for example, and not that there is anything wrong with that). Indeed, this is somebody whose example should be memorialized.  But that's just my personal opinion.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 23:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree. Rich benefactors are not well covered on Wikipedia, there are a lot of them who lived uncontroversial quiet and exemplary lives. -- GreenC 23:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Connections

message: We know where his remains are interred, but sourcing it is problematical.  I have put in multiple sources establishing that the Tiedtke Family Mausoleum is at Woodlawn Cemetery (Toledo, Ohio).   However, the only source I could find that explicitly places his remains in the crypt is this one at Find a Grave .  I do not have access to Woodlawn Cemetery records.  I know that there are those who opine that Find a Grave is "not a reliable source."  I've always thought that to be doctrinaire and not well thought out.  In any event, I have no better source at my finger tips.br>
Anybody got access to the Woodlawn Cemetery records?  7&6=thirteen (☎) 08:11, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is OK unless there is a reason to dispute it. It is where the rest of his family is buried, and where they are from. They are a well-known family from Toledo. It would be silly to dispute Find a Grave in this case, without counter-evidence. -- GreenC 23:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Burial place

message: The use of a text string search at Internet Archive (Works concerning John Tiedtke at Internet Archive) is completely trivial and overkill, providing more noise than signal. They are not works about or concerning Tiedtke, they are works that include a name, no matter the relevance. We might as well include " Works concerning John Tiedtke at Chronicling America" and "Works concerning John Tiedtke at Google.com." WP:ELNO advises against "Any search results pages, such as links to individual website searches". For works that are realistically worth highlighting on Internet Archive, we can use , which uses creator or subject metadata to find realistically relevant works, not every yearbook, newspaper article, or phone book that has a matching term somewhere in text. An interested reader is perfectly capable of typing a name into a search engine. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:35, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: When you say "no relevance" do you mean they are books about a different John Tiedtke (ie. false positives), or they are books you personally believe are not relevant even though they contain information about John Tiedtke (ie. "I don't like it")? Also Internet Archive is not Google, they are different data sets and purposes for existence - Google would absolutely be inappropriate because it brings up so many false positives due to the scale of their data and the way their search engine works. I am the author of the template  and it does exactly the same thing: search Internet Archive with an Elastic Search string. In this case I could not use it because we are doing an in-text search (ie. &sin=TXT) versus a metadata search which the template does not (yet) support.  -- GreenC 17:02, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I said "no matter the relevance", please quote correctly. False positives are not the issue, it's that we're throwing unfiltered scraps of data at the reader, some of which may be interesting but most of which is unlikely to expand significantly on what already is or what should be in the article, and to me it implies readers aren't capable of searching information on their own and need to be spoonfed primary sources.  generally presents a filtered or curated selection. I see absolutely no difference in linking to name drops in one site but not others (newspaper archives, Google Books, HathiTrust, etc.). We might as well replace the link with .  --Animalparty! (talk) 23:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internet Archive & external links