Talk:Shego/Archive 1

message: ... how the heck did this supervillain got her powers. Has it ever been said in the show. I am not a big fan of it, but I am curious.
:According to epidode Go Team Go, "a glowing, rainbow colored comet" slammed into Team Go’s tree house, giving each of them superpowers.  =)  Jumping cheese 00:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This phenomenon has been stated on the Disney Channel website as a feature of her clawed gloves, although Hego has stated that their powers were due to a meteor hitting the siblings' treehouse (probably a dramatization).mikey 04:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh, sorry, then, uh, I guess Hego's explanation.mikey 16:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Could somebody explain me... 

message: Seeing as the word "sadistic" in the first paragraph of the article linked to an article about the sexual type of sadism, which I seriously doubt that Shego has, I changed it so that it links to an article about nonsexual sadism. —OneofThem(talk)(contribs) 20:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changed what "sadistic" links to 

message: Because some browsers handle wiki preferences and settings differently (for example, IE ignoring some thing while Firefox compensates for them), because not all users know what's good for them when they set their preferences (too big, too small, to weird), and because it throws the some paragraphs out of line, I've restored the maximum picture size value.
perfectblue 12:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  picture size 

message: I know that it's frustrating, but could users please take care to stick to cannon and take care not to read too much into things or to move too far ahead of the script. WP:OR needs some attention even when dealing with fictional character.
perfectblue 10:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:OR 

message: I'm not certain where to answer this, so I'll put it under your initial question and on the talk page.
There have been a lot of arguments over fictional character over the years, particularly with users reading different things into a character based on their own experiences or cultural background (for example, a user empathizes with a character because they come from a similar background or have had a similar experience in life, or a user setting against a character for similar reasons). In order to keep this to a minimum, and to ensure a uniform approach etc, Wikipedia came up with some basic rules and guidelines about cannon, in universe descriptions and other elements (Most of which are not really at issue here).
Put simply, there is some leeway, at least compared to writing about history or science, but it's quite small. In the simplest terms, we must stick to cannon - what is depicted in a KP comic book, episode, or game. However, we must be very very careful to stick to limitations of the script (my main issue with your edits) and not to read ahead any further.
For example on Bonnie's page you said that her attitude was setting her up for bad relationships in the future. This might be true in real life, given her personality type, but unless there is an episode that shows her future self in a bad relationship, you can't say it. You also said that her sisters might treat her mean because she was the youngest child and they were envious of the attention that their mother lavished on her. It might be true in real life, but unless Lonnie says something like "I hate the way mom always pays attention to you just because you're the youngest", then what you've said is supposition rather than cannon and cannot be used
In short, something has to be said more or less directly in the script for us to write it in a character profile. If shego says "I wish I were more like Kim", or "Kim is always showing me up", then the writers have purposefully established her as being envious of Kim or her skills. If they don't then you can't simply look at her actions and say that they are indicative of envy.
I know, it's frustrating. If it helps, you should try not to think of this as a book report or a psychological case study, and more as an exercise in transcription.
We're here to report on what is most blatant on screen. Not to look deeper, not to come up with hypothesis, and not to suggest why something is the way that it is unless it is stated clearly though dialog etc.
Take a quick look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and Wikipedia:Fancruft for ideas, and then explore the links.
Peace
perfectblue 10:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  KP Cannon - response to message on my talk page from unregistered user 

message: Drakken knows that Kim is highly skilled but seems to ignore this when planning his schemes, and he knows that she is all that, insists that she isn't whenever she beats him. This is contempt (calling her an contemptable teen is also a sign).
If he tried to be like her but failed, imitated her style, or mooned around because her hair was better than his, that would be jealousy. The same goes for Shego. he underestimates Kim, but doesn't want to be like her.
perfectblue 10:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Contempt V jealousy 

message: We've got a cannon contradiction.
According to the Disney, Shego has clawed gloves and fires concussive energy blasts. However in Kimitation Nation she takes her gloves off and still has her claws (she spears food with them at the beach), and in Go Team Go she fires an energy blast at Drakken (when her brothers show up)and it melts a section out of the big metal door that he is hiding behind.
I'm considering either going to change the page to match the episodes, or to put in a paragraph mentioning the contradictions. What does everybody else think?
perfectblue 19:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to go with mentioning the contradictions so the readers can come their own conclusions.  Jumping cheese Cont@ct 02:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shego's claws and energy bursts 

message: I think we should stop beating around the bush and just say that Shego's violent. She doesn't give a rat's *ss about people in wheelchairs or whatever. Those are just quirks. Maetch's most recent edit is acceptable to me, but we need to STOP thinking of Shego as somebody who is, at heart, really just a nice girl. It leads to Kigo type thinking, which is just stupid.
=CJK= 06:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't be ridiculous. Kim and Shego's relationship have lesbian undertones out the ass, and the biggest Kigo fan I know is clearly a female.  PsychoJosh 12:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shego & Violence 

message: After some analysis, I concluded that Shego’s article definitely needed some work done into it. Although it seemed to be a nice and informative article, the information was unorganized and, in some occasions, over-detailed.
The “Role in the show” section didn’t make much justice to the title, as what it did was to describe more of Shego’s personality, for which I mixed it with the “Personality” section, which now has become part of “Characteristics”.
Her role in the show was integrated in the introductory text, which was expanded by mixing it with the “Status” section. Also, all the paragraphs focusing on her Relationships now have a proper section with said name. The “Canon Debates” were put as more information in the subsections “Appearance” and “Powers” of “Characteristics”.
Also, I constructed “Character’s history and evolution” by mixing the “Character evolution” section with the story revealed in “Family history” (The remaining of this section is in “Relationships”). This section is meant to describe as much as is known of Shego’s history from the beginning to the end, mentioning the most important events without over-detailed information.
“Alternative Versions” and “Trivia” remained untouched, although I think there should be a way to include the points in Trivia to the rest of the article.
All these edits were made based of fictional characters Featured Articles, like Link (Legend of Zelda) and Storm (Marvel Comics). After this, I think that the article actually fits the Good Article criteria, although there might probably some edits to do.
I just though that I should state the editions I just made. Hope you like the work.
--Alexlayer 04:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If talk page discussions can't get anything done, I guess the Mediation Cabal is an option (or if you prefer, more formal options, though jumping straight to those is a bad idea). — Red XIV (talk) 04:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Update 

message: I know that that is a Future Version of Shego, but so far, that version of her was always known as "Supreme One" during the episode, and since we're refering to the alternatives versions by their given names (Example: We're calling Miss Go, from Rewriting History, just "Miss Go", not "Past Shego") I think we should entittle that subsection as "The Supreme One"
So... thoughts? Opinions? --Alexlayer 09:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No one is going to reply? If there is no objection, I'll change it again, but I'd prefer some opinions first. --Alexlayer 20:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future Shego or Supreme One?