Talk:Omega Psi Phi/2006-Archive

message: Correct me if i'm wrong the bulldog is not a symbol of Omega and i think that there was an announcement somewhere that any frat member wearing such insignia, would be expelled from the fraternity. Also, I think the official nickname of the frat members is "Omega Men", not Ques, not Omegas. Am I right? Cuz if I am, I'll go ahead and change it. Project2501a 00:05, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulldog as insignia 

message: The official website makes no mention of the dog insignia (unlike the lamp).  Please provide reliable sources to verify these additions.  If these are unofficial symbols or nicknames, an additional section discussing the history (and any controvesy) would be a great addition (so long as there are reliable sources to verify) Thanks --SiobhanHansa 23:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dog symbol and nickname updates 

message: Que Dog is an unofficial nickname that was given to members of the fraternity.  It can be seen at various fraternity websites
http://www.quedog.com/
"8. What's the distinction between an "Omega Man" and a "Que Dog"?
A: An "Omega Man" is the name sake term bestowed upon members of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc. once it's members cross the burning sands. A "Que-Dog" is a mythical term used to identify pledges while on line during the final stage of the pledge process. It's important to understand that "Que Dogs", canine calls, and camouflage paraphernalia doesn't directly reflect the entire outlook of the organization as set in the guideline by the Grand Chapter. *Please note* Never address or call a member of Omega a "Que-Dog" for it is rather disrespectful. In essence "MEMBERSHIP HAS ITS PRIVILEGES!"
"
http://www.msstate.edu/org/nphc/to%2015%20faq.htm
www.cafepress.com/greekorigins/1121389
64.131.205.160 02:40, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Que Dog, Q dog and Que Dawg 

message: First of all, the anti-hazing policy statement while technically true, is total fiction as far as its enforcement. That needs to be mentioned on a realistic page about the fraternity.  Secondly, I noticed the discussion above about the nickname Q dawg and the bulldog as mascot.  While these might not be "official" nicknames or symbols of the fraternity, they need to be included on a page that aspires to be truly informative because of the overwhelming popularity of both of those symbols.Pihanki 06:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find references form reliable sources it would be great to see this sort of thing in the article. --Siobhan Hansa 11:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Is this a fantasy article?

message: Karl Malone is not an Omega. He displayed the Omega hand sign during the 1995 playoffs. As there was a lot of media attention within the fraternity about it, he is not a member of Omega Psi Phi Fraternity. Jsmith212 21:18, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Karl Malone 

message: I agree that this article must be expanded, therefore I add the manadated programs section. Also, I will add citations.
Jsmith212 14:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Mandated Programs

message: Ernest E. Just's photograph was added by me to include more visuals on this article page.
Jsmith212 15:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ernest E. Just

message: there is a talk section going on, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Omega_Psi_Phi#Alpha_Phi_Alpha_and_Kappa_Alpha_Psi
Ccson is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ccson
Ccson is continuously placing Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity in various portions of the article.  One time in the intro paragraph of the Omega PSi Phi article ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Omega_Psi_Phi&oldid=76794285
his contributions  
of the omega psi phi article.  this doesn't happen in any other article.  i.e Alpha Phi Alpha   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Phi_Alpha
there is an entire history that can be added basd from the official website  http://www.oppf.org/about/history.asp   
his talks are semi helpful at best with other users, but his contributions at best seem be showboating for his fraternity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jsmith212 
64.131.205.160 17:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ccson 

message: I'm wondering what makes the contributions of Skip Mason any different from a personal website, opinion article or editorial..
Reading this, I wonder if it really is less objective and more subjective 
"As a historian who recognizes that laying a foundation for any period of history, I find their omission inexcusable and without merit.  Permit me to share some a few statements (and of course my personal commentary in between) from their books:  
"     
http://www.skipmason.com/hm/hm08.htm
on some of his website pages  he states "DISCLAIMER: This page is not affiliated with the National Organization. I am not the Historian of the fraternity, just a brother who is and has always been thirsty for more knowledge on this organization. The information provided has been thoroughly researched and documented and is brought to you with all the fraternal love and spirit I possess. Sources are available upon request. 
"
http://www.skipmason.com/about.htm
ManOfTke 18:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: the facts are true, but his personal opinion regarding the facts are his view, are that's why his opinion is put in quotations.  Ccson 19:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skip Mason 

message: A section was added to describe Omega different types of membership.
Jsmith212 20:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I provided some copyedit to this section to make it less verbose and hopefully a little more reader friendly.  Let me know what you think. Ccson 06:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Membership

message: Someone with the IP# 70.179.64.119 is adding false infomation, such as only African American students can pledge and Omegas 'must' receive a brand.
Jsmith212 13:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: False Info

message: You may wish to review the various template warnings that may be placed on the talk pages of vandals, even if they are writing in from anon IPs (found at WP:USETEMP).  If the bad edit was an honest mistake, you can put the person on a good-faith notice; you also help create a "paper trail" if the editor is operating in bad faith, which is usually required before blocking.  I would also suggest checking out WP:VANDAL as well. -Robotam 16:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dealing with Vandalism 

message: Looking at previous discussions, I may be raising a sore point, but...
From a recent edit:
"Omega Psi Phi became the first African-American fraternity to be established at a black college when founded on 17 November 1911 at Howard University. It was founded by Edgar Love, Frank Coleman, and Oscar Cooper also known as the 'Three Musketeers'. At this time the only fraternity at Howard University was Alpha Phi Alpha."
Now, if Howard is a black college, and Alpha Phi Alpha is an African-American fraternity, then it is not possible that (a) Alpha Phi Alpha was at Howard before Omega Psi Phi and (b) Omega Psi Phi was the first African-American fraternity to be established at a black college. Peronally, I have no knowledge either way, but which is it? -- Pawl 05:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're missing a the established in your interpretation.  Alpha Phi Alpha was established at Cornell, which was not a black college. So there were black fraternities operating in black colleges before Omega Psi Phi was founded, but none of them were started at black colleges.  --Siobhan Hansa 20:04, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First African-American fraternity ...?