Talk:Odeo/Archive 1

message: I've done some major copyediting to the article and taken out some copyrighted and POVish text while (hopefully) keeping the facts intact. --NeilN 00:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You've undone most of my copyedit and grammar fixes.  I urge you to read Wikipedia:Manual of Style as the article again reads as if it's in point form.  Sentences are incomplete and tenses are inconsistent.  You have left out the copyright violation however (the PR Newswire text) so thanks for that. --NeilN 00:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Copyedits

message: JDiamond837 and Crimestoppernyc, do you have any specific objections to going back to this version:  ?  If so, please list them here.  Note that I am a neutral third party just trying to stop the edit war. --NeilN 03:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Crimestoppernyc has agreed to revert back to the version I suggested above.  Odeorocks, do you agree?  If not, please describe your objections.  Also, all parties should read Wikipedia:No legal threats --NeilN 22:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The last paragraph will need to be rewritten as it sound too much like a PR release.  Crimestoppernyc, do you have any specific objections to this version?  --NeilN 12:46, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Odeorocks, can you provide a proper link to the Register article? --NeilN 02:13, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Crimestoppernyc, please do not remove the refs Odeorocks has added --NeilN 04:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Note I have found independent confirmation that Sony's lawsuit has been dropped.  Go here:  and scroll down to the last couple posts. --NeilN 04:31, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop The Edit War 

message: Neil, Sorry I am still learning. How would you suggest I describe (sans promo) the new areas Odeo is entering into in the Music biz? How about:
The Odeo brand is now be extended into the Music industry. The introduction of new sites such as Odeotunes.com and Odeoguitar.com are new User generated concepts for the industry.
Is that kosher? Thanks Fatmyronuk (talk) 01:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not up to Hairdye100 to provide further proof, it's up to you to provide a source that refutes his assertions.  While I agree that a PR release is not a reliable source, TechCrunch has discussed the acquisition and Fireant has not refuted it. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 05:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Rather than getting into a revert war, you probably should have tagged the article and asked a neutral third party to mediate.  See  and  for potential tags. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 05:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Please see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest.  Your edits looks ok but why did you remove the references? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 03:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Odeo and Fireant 

message: Neil, Sorry I am still learning. How would you suggest I describe (sans promo) the new areas Odeo is entering into in the Music biz? How about:
The Odeo brand is now be extended into the Music industry. The introduction of new sites such as Odeotunes.com and Odeoguitar.com are new User generated concepts for the industry.
Is that kosher? Thanks Fatmyronuk (talk) 01:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, why are they "new User generated concepts for the industry"?  Who is saying this?  To be honest it sounds very PR'ish.  A simple sentence like "In November 2007 Odeo introduced two websites which blah, blah, blah..." would suffice I think.  It would help if you could provide a reliable third party source that talked about the sites as a reference. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 03:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Two paragraphs up.  You don't need my permission to edit the article but I appreciate your willingness to solicit input.  "Industry triple threat" - again, remove the PR.  I strongly suggest you look at articles for other web companies and adopt a similar style. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 22:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

text: When adding any new content please remember that this article is about Odeo the company and not its current or former employees.  Any additions should directly relate to the company.  Thank you. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 15:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

text: What do you need help with? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 02:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: You didn't close the ref tag during the your last edit.  I fixed it. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 14:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Eric Russo does have point.  Please make sure provided sources meet reliability guidelines. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 23:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

text: I've already reverted the last edit on the basis that it was trivia.  Editors, please keep in mind that this is not the place to chronicle the minute details of any legal actions. Rather, please keep focused on the "big picture". Only the outcomes of lawsuits should be reported if they have a significant impact on company history. --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 22:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Content

message: On December 21st the CrimestopperNYC Blog reports that Odeo has reneged (and failed to make any payments, per their CEO)on a contract with WebScalers LLC, for a meta search application. http://crimestoppernyc.blogspot.com/
FatmyronukFatmyronuk (talk) 22:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What are they under suspension from? --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 00:37, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Any added text should include what they are suspended from as "under suspension" does not mean anything to the reader and why (i.e., BrokeLivingwGF's point). --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 04:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

text: How about something like this - As of October 19, 2007 Sonicmountain's United States Patent and Trademark Office application for the wordmark "odeo" has been suspended pending the disposition of a subsequent application by [insert person/company here]. (give reference) --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 04:50, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Section Break