Talk:Muskrat

message: An editor has twice removed the following, apparently without comment:
"Muskrat town, muskrat town," are the lyrics of a song written for a huge dinner in 1906. "Detroit is all right to see, but Monroe is the place for me. Roast 'em brown, roast 'em brown. Gravy, gravy, gravy, gravy."[1] 
This is a charming story, fully sourced to a major newspaper and an historical library. It is relevant because it helps to illustrate a portion of the species' rather significant cultural and historical significance in the United States. There were 2,000 people attending this dinner. 
If anybody can offer a reason why it ought not to be included, please enlighten me on the rationale.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calamitybrook (talk • contribs) 03:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Cultural Reference

message: A Muskrat Trapping article was just created; but I think it would be better suited in here. Merge and redirect? --Andy Saunders 15:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Muskrat Trapping 

message: How about a picture with color like out in it's surroundings. --Riverofdreams 15:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Would this one do?  It's a little blurry, and you'd have to contact the copyright holder for permission, but looking at that site it seems possible that he'd give it.  It says he took all the photos on that site himself.  Also, if he could be convinced to generally consider putting images under the GFDL for Wikipedia on request, his page could be a very useful resource--it seems to have a lot of pictures of nature and such that would be valuable on Wikipedia. Anyway, you could check out the Boilerplate request for permission and send something like that to his email address if you want. Alternatively, this one is at this government site, so we might be able to use it...  but I don't see any copyright notices, so you'd have to contact the address at the bottom of that second link to ask about copyright status first. A simple Google Image search for [muskrat] turns up 9,080 results; I'm sure if you dug around a little you could find one you could use under the GFDL, or whose copyright holder could be convinced to put it under the GFDL. Aquillion 02:47, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Since Nutria are similar-looking animals that often dwell in wetlands alongside Muskrat (in many places in North America,) perhaps the differences between the two animals could be pointed out in the article?  It is important for a landowner/hunter to know the difference, since, in some states, Muskrat are classified as "furbearers," and therefore subject to closed seasons and regulation, whereas the non-native Nutria is typically not protected. Perhaps a side-by-side illustration of their body shape or skulls could help the reader understand the difference?Tsarevna (talk) 07:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: As I understand it the muskrat has a much longer tail, which is vertically flattened.  This could be mentioned. Steve Dufour 19:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The size seems to be the main difference, the nutria is much larger. I have added the info to the article. Steve Dufour 03:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, looks good!Tsarevna (talk) 07:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Difference between Nutria? 

message: About half the article is about how to kill a muskrat. I think some of that could be taken out and/or more information about muskrats themselves added to the article. Steve Dufour 19:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I am going to add some info and make some changes to the article. Please forgive my low-tech footnotes. Steve Dufour 02:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the "hunting and trapping" section. It was totally uncited and was objected to during the FA nomination. Besides, other articles about animals don't have this kind of thing. Steve Dufour (talk) 13:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't the article lop-sided about trapping information because the article was merged with a Muskrat Trapping article?  I make my case above for the reasons to unmerge.Tsarevna (talk) 07:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Too much hunting and trapping?

message: This article's Good Article promotion has been put on hold. During review, some issues were discovered that can be resolved without a major re-write.  This is how the article, as of January 21, 2008, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?:  The prose is very readable, and certainly meets the GA standard. But in terms of Manual of Style compliance, the article needs some work. Structurally, the sections in the article are far too broad. Compare to articles such as the GA-class Northern Cardinal, which has separate sections for diet, behavior and distribution/habitat. I'm going to try some sectioning changes along those lines, so please let me know what you think.
:2. Factually accurate?:  The nominator expressed some hesitance about the style of citations on WP:GAC. Per the GA criteria and the Manual of Style, either the footnote (i.e. <ref>) format or Harvard referencing is acceptable. The key is internal consistency in style, and the appropriate placement of in-line cites, which the article does well.
:3. Broad in coverage?:  Broad and concise.
:4. Neutral point of view?:  Gives fair representation to all significant points of view.
:5. Article stability?  Obviously stable, with no edit wars underway.
:6. Images?:  The core GA requirement for images is that any images present have sufficient source and licensing info. Currently, :Image:Rat-Musque.jpg has no license. You may try to contact the uploader to provide one, or simply replace it. I've recently uploaded some new images to the muskrat category, so unless there are any objections I'll be making some changes to the images. Note that any such changes aren't a pass/fail issue, so feel free to dispute them if you disagree. Most importantly, I want to change the lead taxobox image to :Image:Rat-Musque.jpg.
As stated above, I'm going to try and make the necessary changes myself. I await your feedback before passing the article.
Please address these matters soon and then leave a note here showing how they have been resolved.  After 48 hours the article should be reviewed again.  If these issues are not addressed within 7 days, the article may be failed without further notice.  Thank you for your work so far. VanTucky 00:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've done great, but then I'm the nominator. :-)  Steve Dufour (talk) 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously all the issues I brought up in the review have been dealt with, so to the best of my knowledge the article meets the GA standard. Congratulations! VanTucky 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your work. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article nomination on hold

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*I've made the changes I think were necessary, and I removed the image that lacked a license. Let me know what you think, VanTucky 00:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you've done great, but then I'm the nominator. :-)  Steve Dufour (talk) 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Obviously all the issues I brought up in the review have been dealt with, so to the best of my knowledge the article meets the GA standard. Congratulations! VanTucky 04:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for all your work. Steve Dufour (talk) 15:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Notes

message: According to the Oxford Dictionary of American English, musquash is an "archaic" term, and comes from the Abenaki language, not Cree.
Also there's no reason to give the French name in an English Wikipedia article (unless it has some interesting cultural implication in translation).
Changes made to reflect this.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.155.87 (talk) 07:59, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some name and etymology issues 

message: The article states introduces in South America - not shown on map?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.155.87 (talk) 08:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: One of the books I used as a source mentioned that they were introduced in southern South America. The map predates that information in the article. I guess someone could add a dab of color to the map, if you feel like it. Steve Dufour (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I put a note in the map's caption. I am confident that the muskrats are still there. It is very hard to get rid of them. :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 17:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Range Map 

message: I added a reference to this article, then noticed that there are no other references for this article. There are a lot of items listed under References, but they are really See Also type resources since they do not seem to be directly related to any statement in the text. This entire article needs properly inserted references to make it easier to verify content. Bob98133 (talk) 13:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  No references? 

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thread_title: Raised importance rating

message: I have trapped black muskrats in Virginia and New Jersey and wrote that black muskrats exist, yet some one keeps erasing my great contribution to this article and Wikipedia will be notified  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.246.165.155 (talk) 21:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:OR. You will need an acceptible reference to include that info in the article. Bob98133 (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I took off your original research but added the word "black" to the description of its colors. Does anyone doubt that there are black muskrats? Steve Dufour (talk) 14:48, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Black muskrats

message: i'm guessing that Ondatra zibethicus is the name given in MSW3? (i don't have a copy, so i have to ask.) grammar-wise, as the species name describes the genus name, the gender of the words should agree, i.e., either both inflected -a or -us but not -a/-us. so: Ondatra zibethica? is there a consensus on this usage? discuss. ;) -- Μετανοιδ  (talk, email) 02:21, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is: .  I'm not sure what's going on here.  Could Ondatra be a masculine word ending in -a like agricola?  --Aranae (talk) 03:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

text: A rather belated reply, but... I checked Palmer's Index generum mammalium (1904) and he says that Ondatra is an "Indian name for the muskrat of North America" (p. 475). I would think that loanwords in Latin ending on -a would normally be considered feminine, but in this case, apparently not. Ucucha 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Species epithet gender 

message: Would anyone, by any chance be able to address comments at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop#Muskrat Range? I've requested a vector version be made of the range map, :File:Verbreitungsgebiet Bisamratten.jpg, but the main concern was regarding the accuracy of the information being represented. Thanks, Connormah (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The information about them being introduced to southern South America and doing well there is from Walker's Mammals of the World, if that is a question. I will google for more info. Steve Dufour (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This page has info and links to articles in Spanish: http://my.net-link.net/~vaneselk/muskrat/badults.htm (Look down the page a ways.) Steve Dufour (talk) 13:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: BTW I googled "Argentina muskrat", very easy. Steve Dufour (talk) 14:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Steve - so Argentina should be included as well? Could you sum it all up on the graphics lab page, just in case I make an interpretation mistake? Connormah (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I also commented on the graphic lab page. Ucucha 14:33, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Muskrat]] 

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message: There appears to be a discrepancy with one section describing the tail as the main source of propulsion while a latter section attributes it to the hind legs 2600:1700:9290:B5F0:505C:344:58D0:4DE3 (talk) 23:44, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Could someone validate one or the other? 107.9.230.247 (talk) 04:37, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tail or Hind legs as main propulsion? 

message: Intro states the muskrat uses their tails  for primary propulsion underwater, but further down when describing physical features, it states the rear web feet do the same thing.  Sbcwylie (talk) 17:02, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I see this was pointed out already.  Sbcwylie (talk) 17:03, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propulsion?