Talk:Walkway over the Hudson

message: This article did not seem to exist yet near as I could tell although it had multiple red links (over 20!). Since I am a railfan, and since I lived in the area for 10 years, it seemed fitting. I fetched an image from the Library of Congress to use for it. Should I have cropped that image to remove the HAER indexing and so forth??? Comments are very welcome, I am only an egg at article creation. ++Lar 03:35, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: this image, also from HAER, is much more dramatic, maybe it should be switched. I will do it next time I work on this article barring any objection. (note, there are also good shots of the central third beam/girder/support system that probably should be added) ++Lar: t/c 13:25, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  switch lead image? 

message: Toward the bottom of this article appears the following claim (made in the Hudson Valley Press article at this url which is  erroneous):
: Upon the restoration completion, the bridge will become the longest elevated public park in the world. (sic)
However, in looking at other elevated parks around the world it appears this claim does not hold up.  In fact, Poughkeepsie Bridge does not even appear to be the longest elevated public park within the state of New York, much less around the world.  Here is a table of elevated park lengths from around the world with length figures drawn from the linked wikipedia articles:
elevated park            	length                                          	elevation                      	location                                                    	comment
Great Wall of China      	                                                	                               	northern China                                              	ancient fortification.  above sea level at highest point at Jinshanling
Blue Ridge Parkway       	                                                	                               	Virginia and North Carolina                                 	20th century roadway along mountain ridges.  AMSL on Richland Balsam Mountain at Milepost 431.
Limes Germanicus         	                                                	                               	Germany                                                     	ancient Roman fortification
Zasechnaya cherta        	hundreds of kilometres                          	                               	Russia                                                      	title refers to several defensive lines
Cheolli Jangseong        	(1000 li)                                       	                               	North Korea and China (two walls)                           	ancient fortifications
Offa's Dyke              	                                                	(max.)                         	western England, eastern Wales                              	ancient border dyke and moat
Great Wall of Gorgan     	                                                	                               	Gorgan, Golestan, Iran                                      	ancient Parthian or Sassinid fortification
Hadrian's Wall Path      	                                                	                               	northern England, southern Scotland                         	ancient fortification
Antonine Wall            	                                                	                               	central Scotland                                            	ancient fortification
Trajan's Walls           	(little earth);  (large earth);  (stone)        	                               	Romania, Moldova, Ukraine                                   	medieval Byzantine fortifications popularly misnamed after Roman emporer
Anastasian Wall          	                                                	                               	west of Istanbul, Turkey                                    	ancient Byzantine fortification
Silesia Walls            	                                                	                               	Poland                                                      	may have been to reduce smuggling instead of military use
Danevirke                	                                                	                               	Danish fortification in Northern Germany, Schleswig-Holstein	used from 808 to 1864 for military purposes
Atlantic City boardwalk  	(longer figure incudes Ventnor City's boardwalk)	(approximate negligible height)	Atlantic City, New Jersey                                   	beach boardwalk small elevation above sand. Claimed to be world's longest boardwalk.
Walls of Constantinople  	(Theodosian)                                    	                               	Istanbul, Turkey                                            	
Promenade plantée        	                                                	                               	Paris, France                                               	19th century elevated rail line
Bloomingdale Line        	                                                	                               	Chicago, Illinois                                           	abandoned rail line that is proposed to be but is not yet a park
Congaree National Park   	                                                	                               	Richland County, South Carolina                             	boardwalk loop over wetlands
City wall of Visby       	                                                	                               	Visby, Gotland, Sweden                                      	medieval fortification largely intact
Hornibrook Bridge        	                                                	                               	Bramble Bay, Queensland, Australia                          	Former road bridge converted to pedestrian bridge 1979. Pedestrian access closed on 14 July 2010. Demolition expected 2011.
Humber Bridge            	                                                	                               	Barton upon Humber to Hessle, England                       	two sidewalks
Golden Gate Bridge       	                                                	                               	San Francisco, California to Marin headlands                	sidewalk is  above water
Verrazano-Narrows Bridge 	(anchor to anchor)  (overall)                   	                               	Brooklyn to Staten Island                                   	not a park, no sidewalk. Used once yearly for marathon start pedestrian traffic
Southend Pier            	                                                	a few metres (varies with tide)	Southend-on-Sea, England                                    	Claimed to be the longest pleasure pier in the world.
Poughkeepsie Bridge      	6,767 feet (2082.15 meters)                     	212 feet (65.23 meters)        	Poughkeepsie, New York to Highland, New York                	abandoned railway bridge to open as a New York State Park on October 3, 2009
High Line (New York City)	                                                	                               	Manhattan, New York, New York                               	former elevated rail line was , but the park is not as longsecond section of park opened 7–8 June 2011 (see Talk:High Line (New York City)#length of the park)
Reading Viaduct          	                                                	                               	Philadelphia, Pennsylvania                                  	10 block long abandoned elevated railway. Property still owned by the Reading Company and not a park.
George Washington Bridge 	                                                	                               	New York to Fort Lee                                        	primarily a motor vehicle bridge, sidewalk carries pedestrians and cyclists from Fort Washington and Riverside Parks to Fort Lee Historic park
Harsimus Stem Embankment 	                                                	                               	Jersey City, New Jersey                                     	6 block long former elevated line of the Pennsylvania Railroad. It is not a park as of 2009.
Kinzua Bridge            	(before collapse)                               	(before collapse)              	McKean County, Pennsylvania                                 	abandoned railway bridge, mostly destroyed by tornado in 2003. Part of Kinzua Bridge State Park.
How about removing or rewriting the claim? 69.119.27.73 (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It appears this is one of those instances where a published source has it wrong. While I'm not so sure that the Great Wall of China or old fortifications should be described as an "elevated park", certainly the High Line in Manhattan and the Paris promenade are longer. I agree that the claim should either be removed, or reworded to say, "Called the longest elevated park by the Hudson Valley Press, it is exceeded in length by the 2.8 mi. Promenade plantee in Paris and others". Maybe this is the highest elevated park (if a source can be found that says so)?  JGHowes   talk 19:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have expanded the comparison table with a few more entries, some of which (but not all) may be considered "elevated public parks".  Unfortunately, the most often published figure for the "elevation" of a bridge is usually the minimum navigable space, e.g. "height of lowest frame above average high tide" or something similar.  Such figures may differ from the height of the pedestrian way (note especially the comment for the Golden Gate Bridge as well as the summer time sag for the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge).  I have not found a reference that makes the claim that the Poughkeepsie Bridge will be the highest when it opens as a park in October, but I also doubt that claim could be accurately made.  I am in favor of removing the claim made in the article and not weaseling out by explicitly pointing out that the claim is made by the external Hudson Valley Press. 69.119.27.73 (talk) 00:32, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have gone ahead and removed the claim transcribed from the Hudson Valley Press. 69.119.27.73 (talk) 13:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  That seems like a useful list, a shame to bury it in a talk page... can it be made a list in its own right? (list of what, though :) ??? ) ++Lar: t/c 02:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  longest? 

message: The article mentions that the bridge is built of mild steel that is "60%-70% carbon". This can't possibly be correct, as about 1.5% carbon is the upper limit for steel, before it is considered cast or wrought iron. I'd say somebody missed a decimal place, so I'm putting one in. Kalmbach (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Steel Formulation

message: There are two overlapping copies of the location coordinates in the upper right corner of the article, probably put there by multiple infobox templates.  Is there any way to prevent this? *Dan T.* (talk) 03:04, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I chose to remove the data from the bridge infobox (because the nrhp infobox is using those data to place a pushpin in the map of New York State).  Now the bridge infobox is missing its coordinates entry, but the title of the article display the data.  The problem also appeared on the Bear Mountain Bridge article and was fixed in the same way there. 24.44.14.186 (talk) 03:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overlapping coordinates 

message: Is anybody else concerned about the number of mentions of Don Pevsner in the article, which has many edits by User:DonPevsner (talk)?  JGHowes has corresponded with him about WP:V, and yet footnote 13 is clearly not verifiable by anybody but the two people privy to the conversation, one of whom is Don. RussNelson (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Donald Pevsner? 

message: The metric equivalents for distances are implausibly accurate, with one foot of precision translated to 1 cm precision.  They should be reviewed by a human who knows the how accurate the original figures are.  For example, height above water probably isn't constant to within 1 foot.  As a starting point, rounding the metric distances to the nearest meter would improve the article.Vox Sciurorum (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just changed the units to the "convert" template, rather than text. Does this help?--Triskele Jim (talk) 16:41, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

text: It isn't level. Slopes down from Highland to Poughkeepsie. A bit of a problem, because if an engineer came onto the bridge hot, he had to keep his speed until the last car cleared the bridge. If you brake on a bridge, you can shift it, and that would be very very bad. Very bad. Especially for the people living underneath it. RussNelson (talk) 14:51, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metric conversions 

message: Can anyone find an accurate width for the bridge? The article formerly said the bridge was 4 feet 8.5 inches wide, but that would be impossible since it was built to carry 2 standard gauge rail lines originally and could have trains on each track simultaneously. The bridge would need to be at least 15 feet wide to fit that, and from the looks of the photos is wider than that 76.116.1.210 (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice catch. Thanks for fixing it. Acps110 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

text: Somebody set "width" to the width (gauge) of the tracks. There's a Flickr group for pictures of the bridge before it became the walkway. http://www.flickr.com/groups/pk_rr_bridge/ RussNelson (talk) 22:38, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dimensions 

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message: An editor just changed, in fourth paragraph of introduction, that WOTH is the longest pedestrian footbridge in the world while the Mile Into the Wild in Keensburg, Colorado is second. This is not correct, Mile Into the Wild Walkway is 1.51 miles long, according to their website. The source that it is going to (reference#7) is from May 29, 2012, so it is outdated and very old. Mile Into the Wild has held this title since late 2016, if someone can reference the Guinness World Records specifing this record and their website (Mile Into the Wild) specifying this, please do. Should be changed, need an updated source, within last year.2601:581:8000:21B0:85EC:D496:63F5:ABF (talk) 20:08, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Walkway Over the Hudson - debate over the longest pedestrian footbridge in the world. 

message: I mentioned this in my edit summary, but this article is largely written by the very Donald L. Pevsner that is mentioned in the text. It likely needs a rewrite from someone not connected to the subject. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  COI