Talk:Heckler & Koch HK417

message: No, while related they are two different designs.Paulwharton (talk) 01:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - After reading a little about the product, the HK417 is quite different in design and build. Koalorka (talk) 16:06, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  How so?13Tawaazun14 (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger

message: Is this an AR-15 variant? expect the design there is nothing in common with any AR weapon.--Sanandros (talk) 12:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really. But it was designed to have very similar handling characteristics as an AR, so if you are used to ARs you can use the HK 416 and HK 417 with ease. --0815RN (talk) 17:47, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: AR-15 Vaariants

message: When was it made, introduced to which armies, etc. There are no indications within the article of when it is from and H&K have been producing for awhile.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.207.191 (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dates 

message: Edited the weights and added muzzle velocity data (source: HK official website)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xjuliix (talk • contribs) 12:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: On the TV documentary "Ross Kemp on Pirates", a Fleet Protection Group Royal Marine is seen carrying an HK417 on a helicopter, probably used as a Designated Sniper rifle. (S01E01, ~25 min. into the video)
Although this probably would not be strong enough in itself to be a source I'd say it's better to keep a watch out for these HK417s. They might be more common than what the article itself says.
--KHWiknerd(talk) 13:01, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal marines use outside of 3 Commando. 

message: Are these designations true? Here in Germany the civil variants are called MR223 (for .223 Remington) and MR308 (for .308 Winchester). --92.227.141.159 (talk) 02:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  The designations are correct. Just check the references (5). A bit weird, but it's MR556 (for 5,56 mm) and MR762 (for 7,62 mm) in the USA  --0815RN (talk) 17:38, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  MR556 / MR762 

message: Does anyone know if these are HK proprietary or if it accepts AR10 type magazines? --Joffeloff (talk) 11:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Magazines 

message: Sry but just youtube video as a proof is in my opinion not enough. Everybody can make such videos. --91.89.126.11 (talk) 15:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albania ? 

message: The Portuguese Army doesn't use the HK 417, the link only shows some officers and sergeants from BrigRR testing them, that's it. Please delete that information.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.23.203.220 (talk) 15:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: .⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:48, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal 

message: Got permission from a gentleman who took a photo of the 417 at the 2008 Shot Show, uploaded it to the Commons with appropriate attributions and licensing, removed the "needs image" template here. Anything I'm missing? --Kant Lavar (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Image added

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message: Apparently, the Federal Police (Polícia Federal) just bought 200 HK417 rifles, but this is the only source so far (in portuguese):
http://www.defesanet.com.br/armas/noticia/6964/PF---200-novos-fuzis-de-assalto-HK-417-sao-distribuidos-  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.81.34.157 (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil Federal Police 

message: Heckler and Koch defines the HK 417 as an Assault Rifle. http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/military/products/assault-rifles/hk417/hk417-12/technical-data.html 
Indeed the vague and poorly defined category of firearm "Battle" rifle is unknown outside of American gun magazines like Soldier Of Fortune, SWAT, etc. No military uses that term, even the US military, as I said on the G3 talk page. The only significant difference between the HK 416 and the HK 417 is the caliber. Some would say that a Battle Rifle is a subcategory of Assault Rifle, that the former is a variant of the latter not distinct from it, but even so "Assault Rifle" is more widely accepted and more clearly defined. Walterego (talk) 02:04, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: All weapons of this type that are chambered for the 7.62x51mm and similar full power cartridges are described as being battle rifles on WP, in all articles. Others might use other definitions, but that's the one that is used here. Thomas.W (talk) 07:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: What is the foundation of this definition? It is unsourced, and conflicts with the sources on the page. Walterego (talk) 10:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia sometimes creates its own standards. As an example the Wikipedia cartridge articles follow a Wikipedia nomenclature that is not used by any of the official ammunition standard organizations. For Wikipedia intermediate chambered automatic rifles are assault rifles and rifles that are chambered for bigger cartridges are not. I am afraid there is no arbitrary scientific standard/definition for what is an assault or a battle rifle. The list of battle rifles and list of assault rifles may shed some light regarding Wikipedias view.--Francis Flinch (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: And in the absence of a universally accepted definition the Wikipedia community has over time, in order to avoid constant debate (and a new edit war every time someone has found a webpage somewhere that differs from the current definition on WP), decided on a definition that is based on the cartridge the weapon is chambered for, i.e. weapons chambered for a full power cartridge such as the 7.62x51mm are battle rifles while weapons that are chambered for an intermediate catridge such as the 5.56x45mm or 7.62x39mm are assault rifles. Thomas.W (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Assault Rifle or Battle Rifle? 

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message: I attempted to add an “In popular culture” section to this page but it was reverted pretty quickly. Multiple other pages on firearms have this so I figured I’d add one. Why was this one removed? HBKUS (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Per WP:POPCULTURE. Particularly WP:IPCEXAMPLES (Hohum @) 03:30, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Popular Culture section 

message: The last picture in the gallery section, showing the Malaysian Special Forces surely must be a joke. The scope is literally mounted backwards on the rifle. Also, the other guy with the G36 has no sights at all on his rifle. If these really are Special Forces, then they are not worth their money. 89.144.203.247 (talk) 13:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Paskal Picture