Talk:Samovar

message: Is an explanations of soviet vs western voltages really in place in an article about the samovar?
How about just a link to such an explanation "One of the difficulties of exporting samovars to North America is the differeing voltages between the two countries"Datepalm17 08:22, 31 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: They are not so much explanations of differences as of the adaptation, which is samovar-specific: you cannot apply it to, e.g., a TV set (as is you would need a Russian one :-).Mikkalai 02:06, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

text: I (who idly stumbled upon this lively article) found the explanation amusing (along with the bit about ignorant bastards suing pants off) and potentially beneficial to people wanting to modify their Russian samovars. -- ke4roh 15:17, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

text: Without wanting to sound a boring toad: there's a link to the original if you want a comic article. This is an encyclopedia, and some formality of tone is expected. The section on electrical modification is absolutely scary and probably illegal. Tearlach 14:16, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: It's certainly possible to leave a bit of whimsy in the article, without it resolving out to utter puffery. But I totally agree with you about the electrical mods. Tim Rhymeless  (Er...let's shimmy) 08:20, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Old talk

message: 217.132.130.128 wrote:  Of course, there were special samovar bellows as well, so some historians claim the use of sapog to be a legend. Nonetheless it has been depicted numerous times, especially in caricature.
 
:Of course, in modern days of numerous gadgets and for people that eat with nine different kinds of spoon, it is difficult to believe that some things were done in simple ways. Of course in the family of a rich kupets (merchant), there were bellows, coal grips, etc., and most surely they did't feed samovar with pine cones (another legend, these silly cones.... eh?). But an average peasant family considered these things to be vanity. Sapog did the job. What else do you want? And I did it myself. And by the way, they don't sell these samovar bellows today. So these are legend now. Mikkalai 17:42, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: My russian friend just told me a story of how they'd turn a shoe or boot over and use that as their "bellows". =)  -- Sy / (talk) 16:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sapog vs. bellows 

message: :During World War 2, factories of the defense industry -- and samovars have always been byproducts of military production -- were moved from the European part of the Soviet Union to behind the Ural Mountains, out of the reach of the fascist intruders. Thus, skillful manufacturers of samovars and other essential equipment were saved, despite the Nazi occupation of Tula. ??????  The Nazis were stopped before they ever took Tula.  Read some history!
:: (Anon's "???" comment). Dubious first half of first sentence, and hence the conclusion. Not to say that the anon was right. Guderian was stopped at Tula. And Tula military industry was not evacualted (at least much of them). Tula samovars were bravely and successfully defended! Mikkalai 18:09, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed piece 

message: I would like to see a picture of a modern electric samover to see what they look like now.159753 13:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern samovar? 

message: In order to find the origin of the Samovar, I suppose it would help if we knew where the tea came from in Russia, and when. The origin of the tea plant and its cultivation is in southwest China (Yunnan) and Benghal, but did Russia get it from there? Or was the samovar a Turkish invention / of Turkic people in central Asia, and why - perhaps because it is portable, fitting in a nomadic life style? - Marco (ecocam.com) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.241.149.64 (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm... the chair must be a nomad invention since the nomads needed a portable resting device.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.48.230 (talk) 03:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tea from where? 

message: A friend of mine, who came to the United States from Moscow as an adult refugee, tells me that the Russian equivalent of the English saying, "to carry coal to Newcastle," (i.e. to provide what is not needed) is, "to take your samovar to Tula." Dick Kimball (talk) 13:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian Saying

message: An anonymous editor operating from IP address 99.248.73.32 has repeatedly added commercial links to this and other pages. Wikipedia is not an advertising service, and such links will be removed. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial links 

message: The original suggested name change for Storm kettle was Benghazi Boiler, except this would be like calling something by a name no one uses since world war 2.  There appear to be no further generic names.  The original Storm kettle article was called Kelly kettle, but then the owner of that brandname or maybe it was someone associated with another brandname it objected, so it got to be named to Storm kettle, then someone objected because this is a brandname too.  It is merely splitting hairs to say that the item or brandname is called Storm.  No-one would say pour me some water from the storm would they?    They'd say storm kettle, right?
Further discussion suggested camping kettle or hollow kettle except that these names are pure inventions and not used by anyone.  Then it was noted that these items operate just like a Samovar, and the name change issue changed to a merge - the name change appeared  unresolvable. 
While all the suggestions about research and naming conventions are all appreciated, this has all been done and is documented in the talk at Storm kettle.  We simply appear to be back a square one with no resolution.  
Q: If the merger is not on, then what is the generic name for Storm kettle?  
A: There isn't one. 
A2: Can we invent a name and just decide it's a Camping samovar, a Hollow kettle, or Water boiler without a generic name or Unnamed kettle that resembles a samovar.  ;)
-Fremte (talk) 03:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Being a trademark does not forbid it to be used as an article title. The only problem is possible tug-of-wars in renaming back and forth "kelly"<->"storm". So far this is not happening, so no reason to worry. BTW  The original Storm kettle article was NOT called Kelly kettle.There was Thermette; merge/redirected. You rpobably meant a    demand in the history of Kelly Kettle page.  The Kelly may be right:  if it indeed holds the rights for "Volcano Kettle" brand, which is claimed to be over 100 years. "Storm kettle" dates from 1960s. BTW., there also is Ghillie kettle. Timurite (talk) 19:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

text: That said, I find arguments for renaming storm kettle->kelly kettle in talk:storm kettle quite convincing, and I am rekindling the move requiest in Talk:Storm_kettle#Article_title. Timurite (talk) 19:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: just to review

message: After the talk in talk page I noticed that the link electric samovar was missing. I added a redirect. then decided to google the term. I was surprized to find a funny page with some content very close to wikipedia article. I became curious about who ripped off whom, since there is no mutual references. I looked thru page history and see that much content was preserved from this page (imported here as early in 2004 based of GFDL), but the reference (ext link) was later removed; I guess the source was considered "not good enough". Still, GFDL is GFDL. And, e.g., the section "Electric samovar" is nearly unchanged. So I guess we have to either restore the attribution or delete the infringing content. Opinions? Timurite (talk) 21:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is that page says it is GPL, which is not compatible with the GFDL. I've removed the sections that were added with that edit. Perhaps some of the text added later which was not derivative of that page could be rescued and re-added. Angela. 21:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: (Glad to hear from you) Sorry, it was my bad: confused by alphabet soup. I removed the ext link as well: a private webpage of a person not known as an expert in samovars fails the today verison of WP:RS, although I can confirm that all his info (including funny stuff) is correct. - Altenmann >t 03:31, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  origin of this article 

message: Any thoughts about moving the pictures down to a gallery style? Might be a better layout. Surv1v4l1st (Talk|Contribs) 03:22, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

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message: Samovar is pronounced samăvar in Persian.
If that how it is pronounced, shouldn't it be in represented in the IPA instead?
Or did they (whoever wrote that sentence) mean "romanized", not "pronounced"?
ZFT (talk) 04:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  In Persian