Talk:Grave accent

message: I have noted a grave accent used in a copy of Newton's Principia at the end of words. Exempli gratia, "perpetuo," with the accent on the final "o." I hypothosize that it is used to distinguish an adverb from an alternate form, but I would like to know its use with greater rigor. Should this be added to the article?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.215.144.197 (talk) 15:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know much about it, but for some basic information check the section Diacritics in New Latin. — Eru·tuon 05:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Uses in Latin

message: ; Well-written
: To my totally non-specialist eyes, a decent chunk of the article is pretty much unreadable. The first paragraph in usage for instance, I couldn't make head nor tail of, there wasn't even an obvious link to click to find out more - I recommend putting some notes in parenthesis to help the read along. While the lead section needs to be expanded, the rest follows a nice, logical order. There seemed to be no obvious grammatical, punctuation or spelling errors.
; Factuially accurate
: This is where it totally flops. No references whatsoever. It looks plausable but how do I know if it isn't referenced?
; Broad
: Yes, it seems to cover everything, if a little scantly. I'd like to see those one-sentence paragraphs exapanded to three or four sentences.
; Neutrality
: The article seems to simply be a recital of facts, hence is neutral.
; Stability
: In the last fortnight, only a few paragraphs have been rewritten. Looking good on this count.
; Images
: No images whatsoever in the article, but images aren't really necessary.
Summary:
* Well-written: Fail
* Factually accurate: Fail
* Broad: Pass (just)
* Neutrally written: Pass
* Stable: Pass
* Images: Pass
In all, this article is not ready for good article status at this time. Please do improve and re-nominate it in the future! --Celestianpower háblame 12:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good article review 

message: Since this is the English Wikipedia, could we get some examples of what vowels with grave accents sound like?  For example, you could say ù sounds like the "u" in "bucket."  If that's even right...like I said, it's not clear which sound goes with which character. indil 08:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sounds like? 

message: I think the #Computer_related section can be moved to [`] or backquote, which are for the moment (wrong) redirects to this page. -- Jokes Free4Me 14:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. A backtick (`) is not the same thing as a grave accent (`), even though it may look the same. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 21:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I don't agree.  They're both ASCII character 96 (0x60).  It's the same character used for several different purposes. Fumblebruschi 21:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did this now. Try it out. It's on backtick as that was the most-linked term. The characters certainly are not equal, in modern use the character you get when you type that key on the keyboard has absolutely nothing to do with grave accents.Spitzak (talk) 22:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Backquote 

message: This page should not have been moved to include the accent (which, as far as I can tell, is just `). Somebody needs to move it back. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 23:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page Move 

message: In phonetics there seems to be a use of the terms 'grave' and 'acute' to distinguish certain kinds of consonants. So, labials are called grave and dentals acute. I find this terminology confusing and turned to Wikipedia for an explanation of it, but there is none. Could it be added here, or could this article link to an article that explained i? Tibetologist 00:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grave Consonants

message: Why are there articles for é, á etc but not for the grave characters? IMHO, separate articles are a good idea, as you can have extremely precise information about the usage of each individual character, like exactly which languages it is used in. Any takers for a split to separate articles? Stevage 04:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why no separate articles? 

message: What is 
the back Tick used for?67.176.22.90 (talk) 02:45, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Trying to sign your comment, but forgetting to press shift. ```` [Someone the Person (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  `a wondering what the backtick is used for` 

message: "È is rarely used to distinguish homonyms, except in dès/des ("since/some") and ès/es ("in/is")." I don't know much French, but I know that es does not translate specifically to "is," because it is the conjugation of être (to be) with tu, "you," so it would technically translate to "are," and est would translate to "is." I have never heard of ès meaning "in," only dans and en, but as I don't know much French this may be a different sense of "in." Someone the Person (talk) 01:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Ès means en les (in the) like in docteur ès sciences or in Riom-ès-Montagnes. It is pronunced ɛs contrary to "es" from tu es (you are) which is pronunced ɛ. BIRDIE ✉ 10:42, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  ès / es 

message: È is rarely used to distinguish homonyms, except in dès/des ("since/some") and ès/es ("in/are").
And apparently in crème brûlée which is mentioned later.  If that is not the (only) homonym usage, what is it?  It's not discussed earlier.
Długosz (talk) 15:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Crème is the pronunciation usage, not the homonym usage. Someone the Person (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  French example? 

message: Several other-language Wikipedias have a page of its own for À (character A grave), but in the English-language Wikipedia were are redirected here. Is there a page of its own for À à? --85.156.232.211 (talk) 14:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Created page À. --85.156.232.211 (talk) 14:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  À redirects here 

message: How about adding a little history how the grave accent 
made it into ASCII, since the ASCII wikipedia character 
table links here. I could dig the following:
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/latin1/ascii-hist.html
"It appears to have been at their May 13-15, 1963  
meeting that the CCITT decided that the proposed ISO  
7-bit code standard would be suitable for their needs  
if a lower case alphabet and five diacritical marks,  
including the grave accent, were added to it.
At the October 29-31 meeting, then, the ISO subcommittee  
altered the ISO draft to meet the CCITT requirements, replacing  
the up-arrow and left-arrow with diacriticals, adding diacritical  
meanings to the apostrophe and quotation mark, and making  
the number sign a dual for the tilde." 
Jan Burse (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Little History since ASCII Table links here 

message: There was found a use for the backtick as a the quote, following a noun, to indicate possession.  The idea is to change convention so as to remove both ambiguity in usage and resolve an inconsistency in written English (vis-a-vis "it's" vs. "its" vs. "it is").  "It`s computers" with a backtick makes the grammar unambiguous that the item computer is possessed by the antecedent.  The backtick allows the quote to "point to" the item possessed so is easy to remember.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.3.151.156 (talk) 19:39, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  New use 

message: Please add an actual example of the use of lookèd, or else a different one where where -èd exemplifies such a use --Backinstadiums (talk) 15:51, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Well SOED says: "... ` to show that -ed is pronounced; 1596". So it's quite old and established. I'll try to find a picture of a real poem... Imaginatorium (talk) 16:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  lookèd 

message: The lede had become a laundry list of everyone's favourite language that uses the grave accent, quite a few of them having no real mention in the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the article, and should not contain anything not supported further down. I rewrote the lede, and removed the following from the laundry list. If you think any of these belong in the article, please reincorporate them in the body with some appropriate information...
* Breton
* Catalan
* Corsican
* Emilian-Romagnol
* West Frisian
* Haitian Creole
* Ligurian
* Occitan
* Piedmontese
* Portuguese
* Romansh
* Sardinian
* Scots Gaelic
* Vietnamese
* Welsh
Thanks. Imaginatorium (talk) 16:21, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  The lede 

message: :fr:Accent grave very briefly describes the adoption of the grave accent in 16c France, but :fr:Accent grave en français gives no detail. In the meantime I'm not sure what to make of Couperin's Nouveaux Concerts (1724) (at IMSLP) which uses only one right leaning accent ("léger", "muséte", "ritournéle" etc…). Sparafucil (talk) 00:13, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  French historical usage? 

message: "Unicode forgot to encode R-grave when encoding the letters with stress marks." A dramatic claim like this should surely have a citation. There's already a [Citation needed] - is there any followup for this? Stockhausenfan (talk) 20:40, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend removing this assertion. While there's no precomposed character, an r followed by U+0300 COMBINING GRAVE ACCENT suffices. In fact, that sequence appears later in the article. DRMcCreedy (talk) 23:41, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unicode "forgot"?