Talk:First Families of Virginia

message: Hi,
 My understanding is that FFV is a set of books. This is the first I've heard of it being agenealogical society. Can someone  enlighten me, or might a knowledgeable personedit this entry?
 Thanks.
 Anna-leeAton
Anna-leeAton (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: why is there not  entry for FFX , x being every state?  E>G> New Mexico older settlements than Virginia, 1598, also has first families and a genealogical web site.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.38.155.134 (talk) 09:02, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

text: Really, it is neither. It is a loose expression denoting the origins of several hundred early Virginia families, who often intermarried and who exerted a disportionate influence on the Old Dominion for many generations. Later, a cottage industry of book publishers and societies were built around the early use of the expression "FFV." (By the way, there is no set criteria for the term. Certain families might consider themselves FFV's, but it is generally agreed that certain families are at the core of the expression: the Lees, the Byrds, the Carys, the Fitzhughs and several others.)MarmadukePercy (talk) 19:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  I haven't heard of a book. I thought it was officially a society and to join you had to prove your genealogy back to a first generation settlers in Virginia. I know once you prove this heritage to the society they send you a certificate (I have one). I'm not sure if some names here are being claimed independently. I suppose the society in Alexandria has a registry of official FFV's.  BaomoVW (talk) 16:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The term First Families of Virginia long preceded any society devoted to such, just as the term 'Boston Brahmin' did. It is a loose expression, and there is no society who arbitrates it. Regards,66.212.78.220 (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This piece needs clarification. It's ludicrous to ascribe the expression FFV to a special society. As is obvious from this mention of FFV's from the Virginia Historial Society, the expression predates any later society which pretends to arbitrate the matter. As the previous poster noted, it's like saying that the Boston Brahmins required admission to a "Boston Brahmin Society" to verify who's who. Within the small worlds of Boston and colonial Virginia, there was little question over the matter. And no latter-day society is needed to establish authenticity. Besides, it was initially an offhand expression, hardly requiring an I.D. check.MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I believe the terminology FFV refers in general to the early families and descendents. It may also be used by a society of some of their decendents, but is surely not limited to that. Let's clean this up. Vaoverland (talk) 23:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right on the money. Completely agree. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 23:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about the books 

message: So far from my studies of the FFV, Pocahontas is really rather irrelevant. A lot of the larger families come during the early eighteenth century, and Pocahontas is very early on in the colony's history. The Byrds, Carters, and Randolphs (some of the largest families) all came to the colony in the eighteenth century.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olivergecko (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Anyone who makes a claim that the Byrds, Carters and Randolphs came to Virginia in the eighteenth century hasn't begun to do any reading, not even of Wikipedia pieces that state the opposite. You really have no business editing Virginia entries on the basis of such shoddy homework. MarmadukePercy (talk) 06:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion of Pocahontas Section, Timeline Issues 

message: Since the phrase "First Families of Virginia" forms the principal part of the legal name of the hereditary society "Order of the First Families of Virginia", a Wikipedia article with that title surely should be about that society.  Another page could be created, under a different title, for general information about prominent Virginia families, if need be.  I have edited this page to focus on the Order of the First Families of Virginia. Underdoor (talk) 12:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Order of the First Families of Virginia is indeed a hereditary society 

message: For future reference, the following is a list of FFV names compiled from the reports of Meade (in Notes and Queries), Tyler, and Purvis:
*Acril
*Alexander
*Allen
*Allerton
*Ambler
*Archer
*Armistead
*Atkinson
*Aylett
*Bacon
*Baker
*Ball
*Ballard
*Banister
*Bankhead
*Baskerville
*Bassett
*Baylor
*Baynham
*Beale
*Berkeley
*Beverley
*Beverly 
*Birchett
*Blair
*Bland
*Blow
*Bolling
*Booker
*Booth
*Bouldin
*Bowdoin
*Bowyer
*Bradley
*Branch
*Braxton
*Bray
*Brent
*Bridger
*Broadnaxe
*Brooke
*Browne/Browne of "Four Mile Tree"
*Buckner
*Burley
*Burwell
*Butler
*Byrd
*Cabell
*Calloway
*Carr
*Carrington
*Carter
*Cary
*Catlett
*Chamberlayne
*Chiles
*Christian
*Churchill
*Claiborne
*Clarke
*Clayton
*Cocke
*Cole
*Coleman
*Coles
*Colston
*Conway
*Cooper
*Corbin
*Crawford
*Custis
*Dabney
*Dandridge
*Daniel
*Davenport
*Davis
*Dawson
*Digges
*Dulany
*Edmunds
*Edwards
*Eggleston
*Eldridge
*Ellis
*Embry
*Epes/Eppes
*Everard
*Eyre
*Fairfax
*Farley
*Farrar
*Faulcon
*Field
*Fitzgerald
*Fitzhugh
*Fleming
*Fry
*Gooch
*Goode
*Graves
*Grymes
*Hackley
*Hairston
*Hansford
*Hardaway
*Harmer/Harmar
*Harrison
*Harvie
*Hawkins
*Haynes
*Heath
*Henderson
*Herbert
*Heth
*Hicks
*Hodges
*Holliday
*Holmes
*Hooe
*Hopkins
*Howard
*Hubard
*Jefferson
*Jenings
*Jennings
*Johnson
*Jones
*Joynes
*Kemp
*Kennon
*King
*Lanier
*Lee
*Leftwich
*Lewis
*Lightfoot
*Littlepage
*Littleton
*Lomax
*Ludwell
*Lyons
*Mallory
*Marshall
*Martin
*Marye
*Mason
*Massie
*Mathews
*Mathhews
*Mayo
*McCarty
*Meade
*Mercer
*Meredith
*Meriwether
*Michie
*Minge
*Moore
*Morris
*Morton
*Mosby
*Moseley
*Munford
*Nash
*Nelson
*Newton
*Nichols
*Nivison
*Noland
*Norvell
*Page
*Parke
*Parker
*Peachy
*Pegram
*Pendleton
*Penn
*Perry
*Peter
*Peyton
*Phullips
*Pierce
*Pleasant
*Pollard
*Pope
*Posey
*Powell
*Poythress
*Prentice
*Price
*Prosser
*Randolph
*Reade
*Riddick
*Roane
*Robinson
*Rolfe
*Rose
*Royall
*Ruffin
*Russell
*Saunders
*Savage
*Scarborough
*Scarburgh
*Selden
*SettleReese, William Emmet. The Settle-Suttle Family. Palm Beach, FL: Fisher, 1974.
*Shepherd
*Short
*Skelton
*Skepwith/Skipwith
*Slaughter
*Smith of Gloucester Co.
*Spencer
*Spotswood
*Spottswood
*Stanard
*Steptoe
*Stevenson
*Stith
*Stokes
*Strother
*Swann
*Syme
*Tabb
*Talbot
*Taliaferro
*Tayloe
*Taylor
*Tazewell
*Terry
*Thornton
*Thorowgood
*Todd
*Travis
*Trent
*Tucker
*Tyler
*Upshaw
*Upshur
*Vaughn
*Venable
*Walker
*Waller
*Walton
*Wane
*Warde
*Warner
*Waryng
*Washington
*Watkins
*Watson
*Webb
*West
*Westwood
*Whiting
*Wilcox
*Wilkins
*Williams
*Willis
*Willoughby
*Winston
*Wise
*Withers
*Wood
*Woodson
*Wormeley
*Wormley
*Wyatt
*Wythe
*Yardley
*Yates
*Yelverton
Well-meaning or not, new editors frequently add a name to the article's list and link the name to one of the sources even though it does not appear in them. Location (talk) 23:08, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have changed the "Partial listing of family names" to "Notable families", or rather families that have articles or are linked to the progenitor to Virginia. This will be a more manageable list and will ensure that those listed are referenced and discussed by reliable sources. - Location (talk) 02:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  List compiled from Meade, Tyler, and Purvis 

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message: I don't think first families should be capitalized. It's only much later that they become something special. Anyone have a problem with me changing it? deisenbe (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitals 

message: I would like to know how to join as a member of First Families of Virginia. How do you sign up and show lineage? 2601:200:4001:1AC0:8560:5BBC:222D:6DCA (talk) 17:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  William Farrar direct descendant.