Talk:Newar language

message: :Nepal Bhasa language →  – Nepal Bhasa is the official term given by the government of Nepal. Also, the original name is "Nepal Bhasa." The term "Newar" or any other terms other than "Nepal Bhasa" are blatantly misleading, non-veracious, unscientific and derogatory. Kinsu08 (talk) 12:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Please read the outcome of the previous move requests, especially what it says about the basis in Wikipedia policy that such proposals need to have. Since I'm not seeing anything in your proposal at the moment that addresses these policy considerations, I will close this proposal soon. There is no point in trying to revise the result of the previous move debates unless you have some new and policy-conformant arguments to put on the table. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

text: Although "Nepal Bhasa" is the official name, the surveys discussed above show that it is not the most common name used in reliable English-language sources, which is the key factor for Wikipedia.  Kanguole 19:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

text: I think you may be the one who is coming into this argument "unaware" (and I mean that in a factual sense, not an uncivil sense). Newar is a Sino-Tibetan language. "Nepal" (Sanskrit form) and "Newar" (Prakrit form) are both different forms of the same word, an Indo-Aryan word, so neither are likely to be the "original name". Further, per the references at Newar language#Name, the first known occurrence of either term in reference to the language was in 1380 AD -- a far cry from an "identity...existing for thousands of years" as you said above. So, as a friendly suggestion, in order to enhance your experience here at Wikipedia and minimize your frustration, I suggest you follow your own advice above and "do some research" (of scholarly literature, not nationalist propaganda). Also, familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia policy would be to your advantage as well. As Fut.Perf. points out above, unless you have new policy-based arguments supported by new evidence (i.e. quotes from reliable sources, not just your opinion), the results of the previous Move Requests aren't likely to change.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 07:11, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 28 December 2015 

message: Lets bring back the debate on name of this page. Back few years ago the name of this page was Nepal Bhasa, but the page has been moved to Newar. Whatever might the argument be, it is derogatory and insulting to use a name the community does not have ownership on. Before there is much of whitesplaining based on online resources, we need to understand the language politics of Nepal. 
Until the invasion of Gurkhas in Nepal, and systematic suppression by the Shah, Rana and Panchayat, the Newa people had maintained their terminology ‘Nepal’. The use of the term ‘Nepal’ was not deterred until the Gorkhalis made their new capital in Nepal, after occupying it and the day Gorkhalis decided to co-opt the term ‘Nepal’. The Gorkhalis decided that they would use the name ‘Nepal’ to rename their expanded territory. Then, what was known as ‘Gorkha Bhasa'(the language of Gorkhas) was termed as ‘Nepali Bhasa’. The prominence of term ‘Nepal Bhasa, Nepal Sambat, Nepal Lipi’ was deterred and it was attempted to be erased and replaced with the term ‘Newari’ by the rulers then. An indic suffix ‘i’ was added to the term ‘Newar’, and the term ‘Newari’ formed. The term ‘Newari’ has to do with colonial legacy and establishment of hegemony of Gorkha Bhasa to erase the languages of indigenous nations amongst which was ‘Nepal Bhasa’. Since then, the terms ‘Nepal’ and ‘Newa’ became noninterchangeable.
Before the promulgation of Interim Constitution of Nepal 2005, languages apart from Nepali language was banned. The languages received a hostile state environment. During it, many names have been coined for non-Khas ethnic groups which might not have been appropriate and respectful. However, with this language's case, the Government of Nepal has already declared its official recognization as Nepal Bhasa. When the government of Nepal has itself accepted the official use of term in 1998, what is the point of going back to the term 'Newar' which isn't even a colloquial term among the speakers of the language. I notice a recurring trend in Nepal related Wikipedia pages, where non-mainstream ideas and indigenous perspectives gets slowly removed out of the article. There was a section in this article about the name of the language and also the news paper clipping of the declaration, but it seems to be removed now.
I want to bring this discussion back.
===Support===
* RukshanaNewa (talk) 14:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many more in the old move discussions (Talk:Newar language/Archive 1). This source has a discussion of names. Kanguole 11:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Using the term Nepal Bhasa 

message: * RukshanaNewa (talk) 14:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: * Per WP:COMMONNAME, article titles are not governed by official names but by usage in reliable English-language sources.  German and Chinese are not their official names either.  Kanguole 08:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

message: There seems to be a distinct lack of independent reliable sources above. I offer this one. I'm sure there are many more. Phil Bridger (talk) 08:00, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: There are many more in the old move discussions (Talk:Newar language/Archive 1). This source has a discussion of names. Kanguole 11:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

message: This page is misleading. "NEPAL BHASA" is the official name of the language and originally named by the indigenous people of Nepal. The language is in no way referred to as "Newar language" by anybody in Nepal. The title name of the page itself is an attack to the name of the language and origin. Nepal Bhasa originated in Nepal and Nepali government has given the official status and name to this language as "Nepal Bhasa" and should be referred the same the way it has been originated. Nepal and Nepali people hold the exclusive right to name its own language. Changing the name of the original is unethical, intolerance and an attack to the history and community. kinsu08 05:31, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an English-language encyclopedia, and we use the English-language common name of things in our article titles.  If you believe that "Nepal Bhasa" is in common usage in English, then present evidence supporting that claim.  Without such evidence, it is highly unlikely that the article's title will be changed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:54, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesn't matter what people in Nepal call it, we don't have Francais or Nihongo articles, we have French and Japanese articles, because English Wikipedia uses English article titles, that's the way things work. 136.158.58.17 (talk) 07:20, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

text: "Nepalis" is a perfectly good English word which is the plural of "Nepali", so there's no double standard. We simply name articles in English, like "Dutch language", which is certainly not the name preferred by the speakers of that language, but is the common term in English. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  It is Nepal Bhasa, not newar/newari language 

message: In the Phonology section, the incidence of phonemes in Kathmandu or Dolakha Newar is indicated by colour only, which will be inaccessible to some readers. In addition, light colours provide poor contrast. Kanguole 10:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Colour issues 

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