Talk:Metonic cycle

message: To me this article is missing something quite important, that is the affect of the cycle on moon phases: that the moon returns to the same celestial longitude and same lunar phase on the same calendar date every 19 years.
69.121.188.60 (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 02:56, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Moon Phases

message: What is this Greek thing all about? Wikipedia's other articles state that Odysseus returned after 20 years, which is longer, not "at the exact moment when one Metonic cycle has passed." I think some clarification is in order. 70.20.169.235 (talk) 03:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to be bold and remove that bit. Markfiend (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Greek references

message: I'm removing the reference to the Quran, it seems to me to be a) irrelevant and b) spam. Markfiend (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is the reference to the Qur'an "irrelevant"? And how do you define 'spam'? They certainly weren't selling anything. - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 (talk) 15:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  That the Quran mentions the word 'year' 19 times doesn't help us understand anything that I can see, and the link to other Quranic numerology is even less relevant.  I wouldn't call it "spam", exactly, but spam need not be commercial; the defining element is cluttering up communications channels to gain attention. —Tamfang (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Further Details

message: This claim was added by: 98.237.251.154, replacing previous text.
:This cycle can actually be explained with general relativity. Full details cannot be described here, and the reader is refered to the paper by Miles Mathis on the Metonic Cycle in the General Science Journal.
I found the paper: , and variation at the author's website. There's no publishing date, no references in the paper. On a quick look I have no clear reason to believe it is more than the author's unproved speculation. Tom Ruen (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverted claim 

message: I'm aware that WP guidelines are to place the words in bold as early in the sentence as possible. However, the guideline does not say the bold words must be first. Nor does it say 'you must contort the normal word order of English syntax in order to place the bold words first' nor 'the bold words must come first even if it makes the sentence harder to understand or read.' I'm also aware that there are editors who prowl articles in order to make just these kinds of changes. There are probably better uses of time.
In my view, this article is an example of how readers can be served by a phrase orienting them to the context of the topic before dropping the bold words. Cynwolfe (talk) 16:48, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  word order in first sentence 

message: There is a definite connection between the 29.5 day lunar/synodic month, 355 day lunar year, 365.25 solar/tropical year, the Julian/Gregorian Calendar, and "7_4". The ancient Egyptians (and eventually others) practiced sacred geometry with its primary premise of "As above, so below". They observed (with the naked eye) that there are 7 moving objects in the heavens ("7 heavens") and 4 of these do NOT cast shadows on Earth (Venus does). They observed the lunar monthly cycle of 29 1/2 days as 4 phases of roughly 7 days each (~7.4 days). The Moon thus gives us the 7-day-week and the 4-week 'moonth'. The ancients observed that the 12-month lunar year (354 day) + a 7-day-week + 4 days = solar/tropical year. (7.4 x 4 = 29.6 x 12 = 355.2 + 7 + 4 = 366.2 leap year).
The Roman and Egyptian astrology (astronomy) advisors to Roman Emperor Julius Caesar brought this "Combination of 7 & 4 from the gods" to his attention. He then decreed that the Roman Calendar be adjusted to 365 days by having 7 31-day-months + 4 30-day months + February's 7-day weeks x 4 weeks + the 'leap day' every 4 years. 
Sometime after Kepler & Galileo, the mean distance from the Sun of the inner planets were calculated at Venus .7 AU & Mercury .4. Besides Earth, in this solar system there are 7 planets and 4 Trans-Neptunian Plutoids. 
---INCOMPLETE--- - Brad Watson, Miami 71.196.11.183 (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong Law of Small Numbers —Tamfang (talk) 22:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

text: See GOD=7_4 Theory at http://GOD704.fandom.com . 2601:589:4800:9090:D978:A6F1:5F7:FCDA (talk) 12:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  'There Are No Coincidences - there is synchronism' 

message: It is doing the thing every 19 years of the 1; for an example: 1, 20, 39, 58, 77, 96, 115, 134, 153, 172, 191, 210, 229, 248, 267, 286, 305, 324, 343, 362, 381, 400, 419, 438, 457, 476, 495, 514, 533, 552, 571, 590, 609, 628, 647, 666, 685, 704, 723, 742, 761, 780, 799, 818, 837, 856, 875, 894, 913, 932, 951, 970, 989, 1008, 1027, 1046, 1065, 1084, 1103, 1122, 1141, 1160, 1179, 1198, 1217, 1236, 1255, 1274, 1293, 1312, 1331, 1350, 1369, 1388, 1407, 1426, 1445, 1464, 1483, 1502, 1521, 1540, 1559, 1578, 1597, 1616, 1635, 1654, 1673, 1692, 1711, 1730, 1749, 1768, 1787, 1806, 1825, 1844, 1863, 1882, 1901, 1920, 1939, 1958, 1977, 1996, 2015, 2034, 2053, 2072, 2091, 2110, 2129, 2148, 2167, 2186, 2205, etc...?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.100.125.249 (talk) 13:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: True, but unfortunately this series doesn't repeat well much longer than 4-5 cycles. Tom Ruen (talk) 14:10, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pattern 

message: The introduction says 235 lunar months are just about 19 tropical yers, but in the mathematical section I read that they differ 86 days.  Or do I misunderstand? ˜˜˜˜ H. (talk) 16:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction must be wrong 

message: I tweaked this in the introduction... It's an alignment of the solar calendar and the lunar calendar that may have been the first advanced math & science/astronomy discovery of the ancients. 2601:589:4800:9090:D978:A6F1:5F7:FCDA (talk) 12:23, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Possibly. But without a reference to a reliable source this is pure speculation, and cannot be mentioned in an encyclopedia. --Sapphorain (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: OP is a sock. Doug Weller talk 13:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Metonic Cycle was possibly the First Advanced Math & Science/Astronomy Discovery of the Ancients 

message: The citations are a mess. I looked for the earliest version that had any citations, and I did not recognize the citation style, so I would not be able to create new citations that conform to that "style". Is there any objection to using Citation Style 1? Jc3s5h (talk) 14:47, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If ever there was a case to wp:BEBOLD, this is it. Absolutely go ahead, it badly needs a cleanup. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

text: I think I'm finished. I only put books in the "References" section since there is little likelihood that there will be a need to cite different pages of journals or encyclopedias in different parts of our article. Jc3s5h (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: :The arithmetic identity 12×12 + 7×13 = 235 shows...
nothing, unless one side is about lunations and the other somehow about the solar year. Here, the article is simply saying that the lunations are the lunations, which is trivial/meaningless. — LlywelynII 18:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: True and your revision is certainly an improvement. But we still have "the necessary 235" with no explanation of what the 235 is and what makes it necessary. Can you add an explanation? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 10:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the 'teaser trailer' from the lead and expanded the mathematical explanation in the body. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title: Lead explanation