Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 4

message: Currently, there is a split among :Category:Footballers by club - most of the club subcategories (about 250) are named Some Club F.C. players, but a sizeable number (over 50) are named Some Club F.C. footballers (including all of Argentina and Scotland, and most of Spain). It'd be nice to see these standardised, and I'm tempted to suggest "footballers" is the better term as it matches the parent categories, but I thought I'd get some soundings here before proposing a mass rename on WP:CFD. — sjorford (talk) 09:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Footballers" is better for clubs that operate more than one sport (e.g. FC Barcelona) and we should be consistent throughout. Go for it. Qwghlm 10:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No problem with me if you want to go for "footballers", but there may be a problem with American, Canadian and Australian (to mention a few), where "footballers" might not be the best choice. What I instead suggest is that we keep "players", and when it comes to clubs with several different sections, the sections in most cases have separate articles (if they are famous enough), and by naming the categories after the article titles, there is no longer a problem. In FC Barcelona's case, :Category:FC Barcelona players would include footballers, Winterthur FCB would have :Category:Winterthur FCB players for the basketball players, and so on. I've already done this some time ago to a few Swedish clubs, including Djurgårdens IF Fotboll with :Category:Djurgårdens IF Fotboll players. – Elisson • Talk 11:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Right, that sounds like a good solution - I'm veering back towards "players" then. I've also noticed that most other sports seem to use "players" as well. I'll propose this over on WP:CFD in another day or so. — sjorford (talk) 14:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not convinsed. Boca Juniors has football players, but also basketball players, volleyball, etc. Teams that play football don't play American football, so no chance of collition. Mariano(t/c) 21:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And if players from Boca Juniors different sections are notable enough by themselves, then the sections of Boca Juniors should have separate articles which would provide the names for the player categories. You say: "Teams that play football don't play American football". I say: Do they not? Actually, the Swedish club I mentioned in my previous comment, Djurgårdens IF, has two football sections, one playing association football, and one playing American football. But that was not my point, my point was to avoid confusing readers that might not be familiar with players and teams by having categories including the term "footballers", a very ambiguous word. – Elisson • Talk 21:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Now on WP:CFD. — sjorford (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player categories 

message: Also: :Category:La Liga footballers, :Category:A-League players. See here: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_13#Category:English_Premiership_players. It was not resolved. Thoughts? DR31 (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would have voted delete if I'd known about that CfD. we already have various :Category:Nationality footballers and :Category:Name of club players categories, putting divisions as well seems to me a bit like putting :Category:25 April births in addition to :Category: 2006 births. Someone like, say, Jari Litmanen would end up in a huge number of categories if there was one for every league and club. Oldelpaso 18:36, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I voted keep for the A-League one, but didn't know at the time there was a :Category:Footballers by club which contained (for example) :Category:Footballers in Argentina by club. There isn't, however a :Category:Football (soccer) players in Australia by club ("Footballers" alone would go against the compromise reached on WP:AWNB some time ago), which would effectively be a replacement of :Category:A-League players, since the A-League is the only notable-enough football league in Australia. If all individual players were removed from :Category:A-League players, and the category renamed :Category:Football (soccer) players in Australia by club (so that this category only contains, eg :Category:Sydney FC players) this would remove the issue in this case at least. The A-League category wasn't intentionally seperating them into divisions, rather it is effectively just a non-standard name for :Category:Football (soccer) players in Australia by club. Is there a quick way to fix this, or would it be faster to relist the category for deletion and explain as I have done above? AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 09:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:English Premiership players]] and the like

message: I've added the above templates to pages concerning the project. Hopefully this will make it easier for us, and outsiders, to navigate to these pages. – Elisson • Talk 14:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is easier for me to navigate. Thank You. --Siva1979Talk to me 17:20, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: {{tl|WPF navigation}} and {{tl|WPF navigation2}}

message: I was going to list this category on CfD, but I decided to gauge opinion here first. I don't see the use in adding a category to every player to say whether they are left or right footed. I think it should be deleted, but if it is to be kept it should be renamed to Left-footed footballers. Oldelpaso 09:50, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[:Category:Left-footed players]]

message: This article on a very important footballer is in a bad state, it should be improved if possible. Loom91 05:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nominate it for the collaboration of the week... HornetMike 13:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Maradona]] 

message: Hello there. I'm new to this WikiProject, but would very much like to participate. Anyway, I was wondering what the line is on famous fictional football teams? I've been doing some work on Roy of the Rovers, but I also think that the Melchester Rovers article can stand up on its own with regards to providing info about the club and its "history" (because the main ROTR article should focus more on (a) the character of Roy, as Roy Race links there, and (b) the other strips that appeared in the comic). As such, I was considering - in addition to providing a history of the club and its achievements and major events, something I'm in a position to do quite comprehensively with the literature at my disposal - to putting such things as an Infobox into the article. I notice that this has already been done to good effect, for example, with Harchester United (although that article as a whole does need filling out somewhat).
My question, therefore, is do people think that entries such as Melchester Rovers can form a valid part of the Wikiproject? Obviously, I wouldn't be talking about creating entries for every single fictional side ever created, but in the case of the Rovers I think they're famous enough to warrant it. Of course, one problem that arises when compiling infoboxes etc. is that the club are technically no longer "active", as there have been no original ROTR strips since 2001; although I'm sure this can be accounted for. Anyway, I would be interested to hear peoples' thoughts on the matter. Seb Patrick 16:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Melchester Rovers]] 

message: I'm planning to do some work on various manager lists and succession boxes.
My question is this: is there a standard as to whether caretaker managers (who may be in charge for as little as 1 or 2 games) should be included in such lists? Some seem to include them, some don't.
Any advice would be appreciated. I think a guideline should be produced if there isn't one available already. Thanks.
Jameboy 14:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If the caretaker managers themselves are notable, they should be included in such lists. If not, a small footnote would do about them at the end of the respective articles. --Siva1979Talk to me 15:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's not in any templates or guidelines. My opinion is that caretakers should not be included, as they have not been appointed manager at any time, they are merely deputising. Oldelpaso 17:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I don't think caretaker managers should be included in any manager lists unless they have been in charge for a sustained amount of time - i.e. over a month, at least. HornetMike 18:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree. Arsenal F.C.#Managers lists every manager, caretaker or not; to not do so would mean there would be gaps in the record, and possibly be misleading as to the dates of the permanent managers' tenures. I would think virtually all caretaker managers are notable anyway, having either been past professional players, or managers at other clubs. Qwghlm 09:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree with Qwghlm's comments here. He is right to state that ALL caretaker managers are notable because of the above given reasons. --Siva1979Talk to me 17:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think Arsenal are a typical example - they have a tradition of having long-serving managers. Most caretakers will be notable enough to have their own article by virtue of their playing days etc., but that is a separate issue. I think it is misleading to list them as managers of a club in a list of managers as anything other than a footnote, as being caretaker manager is different to being manager, and has lesser status. One other problem I forsee is that caretakers are also used if the permanent manager is ill or otherwise unavailable for one or two matches, which would result in a caretaker entry in the middle of a manager's tenure. Oldelpaso 17:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still think they are worthy of inclusion, regardless of length of tenure, and even Arsenal have had the odd period of turmoil - four different managers in the space of six weeks in summer 1996, which is fully detailed in that list. Wikipedia should be as complete and accurate as possible - even if a manager only took charge for two or three games, his contribution should recognised and listed, with the appropriate dates specified (and of course an annotation saying they were only caretaker). There is no reason why it shouldn't apply when it is due to illness (I'm thinking e.g. Trevor Brooking covering for Glenn Roeder or Phil Thompson for Gerard Houllier, not just if a manager has had to stay at home for one match because he has a cold), and it can be quite comfortably explained with a simple footnote. Qwghlm 19:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Qwghlm. Why leave gaps in the history? Aabha (talk) 11:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Caretaker manager|Caretaker managers]] 

message: Hi, I am relatively new to Wikipedia and have been editing, adding information on various subjects.
I would like to be a part of this project, as I have been editing and adding player infoboxes, I would like to continue in that direction. Since I am quite busy in my profession I can take up such small tasks which I can finish as I get time !
How can I be a part of this..
Thanks !
Gurudatt 10:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are no special criteria, simply continue contributing! Optionally, you may wish to add your name to the list on the WikiProject Football main page. Oldelpaso 19:29, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You will find voting processes and articles for improvement on the projects page. Any help that you can give to these will also be greatly appreciated. -- Alias Flood 21:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Want to contribute 

message: Perhaps by level of the "football pyramid", or by county?  (Or if counties are too small, by English region.)  I'm cross-posting to WP:WSS/P.  Alai 03:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  {{cl|English football club stubs}} needs split 

message: Aditogs seems to be mass spamming football articles to include "fansites" that in my opinion have little value to anyone except to bring in advertising revenue for him. jaco♫plane 12:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what's the drill, go in to all of them and undo them all? (additional - OK Bentley Banana has undone one, who's gonna help? :)) Andymarczak 13:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have removed a few more as well as warned User talk:Aditogs on his talk page against spamming.  But not all have been reverted.  Perhaps someone with access to the more sophisticated popups would be able to help?  --Pkchan 18:19, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've reverted all the remaining ones. Normally I would have done this myself in the first place, but I didn't have time, so I posted it here. jaco♫plane 18:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done the ones which had subsequent unrelated edits, they're all done now. Oldelpaso 18:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aditogs spamming 

message: We have Argentina and England football rivalry. i'm amazed we don't have England and Germany football rivalry Jooler 14:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Or indeed England and Scotland football rivalry Jooler 14:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Another point

message: This football-related category is on WP:CFD for either renaming or deletion. — sjorford++ 10:37, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Sporting Testimonial events ]] 

message: I thought it might be useful to show how the National League System in England has evolved year on year, so I've started a thing (currently in my userspace) at User:Sjorford/Development of the National League System - I'd like to move it into the main article space eventually. If anybody's interested in giving feedback or suggestions, it'd be most welcome. — sjorford++ 09:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't be able to help out with the article itself, but when/if moved to the Main: namespace, wouldn't History of the National League System be a better name, following the standard that most other football articles use when referring to the past? – Elisson • Talk 11:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: History of the English National League System would be even better. aLii 09:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think that level of disambiguation is needed, as "National League System" is a proper noun - the main article is at National League System, and the history article should follow it. — sjorford++ 10:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps as "National League" is a proper noun in this case, maybe it's ok. There are other things that could well be described as a "national league system" though, that was my point. aLii 10:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[National League System]] 

message: My first though was to nominate Chile v New Zealand (2006) and New Zealand v Malaysia (2006) for WP:AFD, but I wanted to hear your opinion on the matter before I do so. IMO, friendlies are very seldom notable enough to have their own articles, and this is no exception. – Elisson • Talk 23:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I absolutely agree. I don't see the point of having articles for every single friendly match a national team plays. In any case, if the creator of those articles wants to have a list of all matches played by the New Zealand NT in a particular year/season he should create an article similar to 2005-2006 in Argentine football or 2005-06 in English football where all the matches played by a NT are listed (friendlies, world cup qualifiers, world cup matches, etc.). Bruno18 23:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Definitely agree. The majority of friendlies are not notable enough to have a separate article for each game. k m s 08:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wipe. Mariano(t/c) 08:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Better still would be to somehow enhance MediaWiki so that fixed-format data such as results of individual games can be stored in one place (Don't repeat yourself!), not all over the yearly articles for different teams.  I'm going to post a bunch of thoughts about this on  my user page. - PhilipR 22:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Comments on New Zealand friendly articles 

message: Please see Category talk:2006 FIFA World Cup Squad Templates and help finish the templates and adding them to player pages. jaco♫plane 04:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've also started working on creating squad templates for regular teams, see :Category:Football squad templates. jaco♫plane 04:38, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup squad templates 

message: Hello all. Not a football expert by any means, but last year I researched and created Argentina and England football rivalry, and it seemed to go down quite well. I have now put up a first draft of a England and Germany football rivalry page, which I'm reasonably pleased with as a starting point, but it needs a lot of work. For one thing it needs more from the German side, and obviously as I'm not an expert I am sure there is much I might have gotten wrong or ommitted. The club level section, in particular, needs a great deal of expansion. Anyway, hope it's not too awful! Angmering 21:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice that the talk page of the Eng–Arg article mentions the lack of images. Couldn't you throw in a few national flags somewhere to brighten them up? aLii 00:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

text: What it really needs is a decent picture of the England team giving the Nazi salute in 1938. There's one on the BBC site. But I think there might be a better one out there. Jooler 21:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[England and Germany football rivalry]]

message: Hello, I've put FIFA World Rankings up for peer review and all of your comments on the article would be appreciated, leave them on the peer review page not here though. Cheers! Philc TECI 14:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Peer Review

message: On the main article is a short list of articles that should be watched. I would like to know what the criteria for being on this list is? There are many many pages that could do with watching. Of my personal watchlist Peter Crouch and Steven Gerrard are the most regularly vandalised (a few times a day each). However they probably don't need adding to the main page list as there are plenty of people watching them anyway. So, could someone edit the main page with either:
#instructions for which articles should be added to the watchlist.
#remove the watchlist from the page.
It seems a confusingly brief list to me. aLii 00:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Watchlist?

message: Football (soccer) has recently been placed on FAC. Any assistance in addressing objections would be greatly appreciated, particularly copyediting and working on the lead. Oldelpaso 21:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Football (soccer)|football (soccer) FAC]]

message: I've nominated an image for featured picture status, and I think this image represents sportmanship at its best. I think it would be a great featured picture sometime during the world cup! jaco♫plane 04:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured picture candidate 

message: *Talk:United States men's national soccer team#Jooler's position Jooler 01:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: issue resolved. Jooler 13:33, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Request for comment

message: Hi. I've just got round to making the article History of association football balls just in time for the 2006 FIFA World Cup. It's a fairly minor subject in the grand shape of things, but has some interesting information. I'm wondering if anyone here would be up for reviewing it, suggesting any additions, any clean-ups and what not? Thanks - Master Of Ninja 12:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review needed - History of association football balls 

message: Hello, I've put FIFA World Rankings up as a Featured Article Candicates and all of your comments on the article would be appreciated, leave them on the FAC page though, not here! Cheers! Philc TECI 21:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: FAC

message: List of England FIFA World Rankings, what should we do with articles of this kind? – Elisson • Talk 21:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD-able? 

message: Hello, just a quick question. I've recently been looking at the List of transfers of La Liga - 2005/2006 season article, and find it to be very well written. What I can't find, however, is a list of transfers from outside of La Liga, for example a list of all transfers. Is there such a list? If so, could someone point me in the right direction? Thanks. --212.1.142.248 15:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Transfer list? 

message: I found this in the template namespace, but it's not really a template, more a standard article structure. Anyway, nothing links to it and the creator seems to have left Wikipedia — does anybody want to use anything from it, or should I just TFD it? — sjorford++ 19:30, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: TfD. – Elisson • Talk 19:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Footballers]] 

message: Is it undue speculation to start naming players who could well play for the first Montenegro national football team?   Apparently someone thought so.   Maybe so -- but I'd like to ask for broader comment. - PhilipR 02:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the verbiage on this section has been hammered out to a point where it's clear that it's speculative.   I consider it a working consensus, so I would no longer interpret deletion of this section without comment as acting in good faith. - PhilipR 22:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, a user acted to revert this despite the emerging consensus.   I don't consider this action in good faith, and I'm open to suggestions that on avoiding a revert war where, predictably, the person with the most time to waste destroying the work of others wins out.   Cheers, PhilipR 05:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC: Jevrić / Montenegro 

message: Can someone keep the World Cup news section of the Portal up to date for the next week or so? I'm about to go on wikibreak and won't be able to update it. Thanks. Oldelpaso 09:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Portal / World Cup news

message: I've noticed over the last couple of weeks that someone has been adding counties and the actual areas that clubs are situated in onto their infoboxes (i.e. Bolton are now in Gt. Manchester as are Wigan. Arsenal are in Gt. London and Tranmere are now in Tranmere, Prenton. This has also happened with players, so Nicky Hunt was born in Gt. Manchester. Does anybody else have an opinion about this as I feel that, for example, Arsenal should just be Emirates Stadium, Islington, London and Bolton should be Reebok Stadium, Horwich. (Pally01 20:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Infobox Football club]] 

message: I've noticed on other wikiproject pages that they have a section for articles that are listed as being good, I think this would be helpful here as it is these good articles that only need a small bit of work to become featured articles. Would it be possible to have a small section on the main page of this wikiproject listing current good articles i have looked and there are no more than about 5. 
Futhermore I think part of this project should be to identify good football articles because there are a lot of football related articles and im sure some of them must be good but have not yet been spotted.
The currnent Good football articles are;
#Marc Pugh
#David Beckham
#Chelsea F.C.
Thats it, Im a sure that there must be articles that can get to good article stage easily but not many people know about good articles, to become a featured article is alot easier if it is good first.
see; Wikipedia:Good articles — Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles — Wikipedia:What is a good article?
Childzy (Talk|Contribs) 18:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks to me like the images on the Marc Pugh page are copyright violations (Good work on the rest of the page though). Surely the "good" articles are the ones that are listed as featured? aLii 11:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Chelsea hasn't had a peer review yet, I suggest we put it down that route? HornetMike 23:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Good articles|Good articles]] on WikiProject Football 

message: Just wanted to say that the standardization of navboxes has been updated, see its subpage. – Elisson • Talk 16:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template 

message: There are currently two articles about footballers called Joe Shaw:
* Joe Shaw (footballer) covers an ex-Arsenal player from the 1910s-20s who was a left back and later became Arsenal's caretaker manager.
* Joe Shaw (soccer) covers an ex-Sheffield United player who was a centre half and played in the 1950s-60s.
Neither is distinctly more notable than the rest, and there are other individuals called Joe Shaw, so I was wondering how best to disambiguate them. I came up with some based on other disambiguations, but none is totally satisfactory:
* Joe Shaw (left back) and Joe Shaw (centre half) - but the second Joe Shaw played in a variety of positions, so it's not that accurate.
* Joseph E. Shaw and Joseph Shaw (footballer) - works for the first, but the second Joe Shaw has no middle name (I checked the records) so it doesn't make him distinct enough.
* Joe Shaw (1883-1963) and Joe Shaw (1928-) - this is discourage by the MoS, and I am not sure even if the second Joe Shaw is still alive.
* Joe Shaw (Arsenal) and Joe Shaw (Sheffield United) - but the first Joe Shaw was associated with clubs other than Arsenal.
So I'm stumped. Does anyone have any better suggestions? Qwghlm 17:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you visit the 1. FC Kaiserslautern page there is a similar situation for a German footballer by the name of Fritz Walter. I wasn't aware of it until the other day, when I clicked on Fritz' Wikilink. Initially it took me to a disambiguation page, and gave a choice of Fritz Walter (19xx-19yy) or Fritz Walter (19jj-19kk) - even though that may be frowned on by the MoS, it worked. The disambiguation page offered enough info to make a choice, I suppose, but I just changed the link to a specific one. Each article references the other Fritz. Wiggy! 17:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I "often" see name (born year) as disambiguation (for example Mikael Nilsson), so that might work. – Elisson • Talk 17:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

text: After reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), Joseph E. Shaw and Joseph Shaw (footballer) looks the best option, with a line at the top of Joseph Shaw (footballer saying This article is about the Sheffield United F.C. footballer. For the Arsenal F.C. footballer, see Joseph E. Shaw. For other people of the same name, see Joe Shaw. This would be similar to the current solution for Alan Smith. Oldelpaso 17:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Joseph Shaw (footballer) is my least favourite title of them all, as it is so ambiguous; additionally I think Alan Smith is a special case as he is a current player, and should not be a general rule for historical players. I am leaning towards a hybrid scheme of: Joseph E. Shaw and Joe Shaw (Sheffield United). Both names are accurate (the second Shaw did not play for or manage any other club), and are precise enough that each one cannot be confused with the other. Qwghlm 22:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambig help needed 

message: I'm trying to fill in a few blanks for some players, and have managed to grab some info on them, but I'll be damned if I can master the coding for this site. I've started Hamilton Ricard, and will be doing a few more guys such as Igor Stimac and so on, but if someone could do the honours in terms of formatting, I'd much appreciate it. I'll add more names as I add them here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CanadianRed (talk • contribs) 19:37, June 23, 2006.
:Looks a good start. Couple of tips - remember to categorise articles, and when on talk pages like this one, to sign your name by typing ~~~~ (four tildes). Qwghlm 13:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You can list articles you create at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles. Oldelpaso 13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newbie needs help

message: Hi, I have been checking out these world cup squads and have created two recently.
How about creating a page for every team for their world cup squads. This page will have a link on the national team plage.
e.g. Brazil National Football Team will have a link to a page Brazil World Cup Squads which will have the squad boxes for all the Brazil world cup squads (for 1990, 1994, 1998 etc.)?
Gurudatt 20:37, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Please look at Category talk:2006 FIFA World Cup Squad Templates#Future.  A page with historical squad listings need not have anything to do with squad templates. It's only a case of copying each team's squad list from each World Cup's squad list page. In my opinion, we don't need more international squad templates until the next major tournament.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  21:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  You may be interested to take a look at the #Player Article Merging thread above as well as this discussion over the 2006 FIFA World Cup (squads) talk page.  I did express some doubts in both but then realised that with more and more requests of this kind, it is perhaps time to re-consider the proposal to break down information into small, self-contained articles and link them up on "presentation tier" pages using trasclusion.  --Pkchan 02:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  World Cup Squads Template 

message: Hi people,
I thought this WikiProject would be the best place to ask - there is currently a bit of discussion at Talk:2006 FIFA World Cup#Shortening group section about how the results will be arranged.  I thought members of this project might like to offer any advice or recommendations to make these fit a standard (if one exists).  I didn't see a page on the wikiproject nav bar specifically for results, so apologies if there is already a page discussing this! -- Chuq 03:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion on World Cup 2006 results articles 

message: A proposal regarding notability criteria for sportspeople is currently under discussion at Wikipedia:Notability (athletes). Oldelpaso 10:42, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Notability proposal

message: I took some tome to clean up in the football categories a few nights ago, by standardizing the UEFA youth tournaments to the name currently used for the main tournament, which is European Football Championship, thus moving the under-xx tournaments to European Under-19 Football Championship and so on. But then I realized that it wasn't the smartest move I have made during my time on Wikipedia. There seems to have been no discussion whatsoever over what to refer to the European tournament as. Looking at other continental tournaments, there seems to be no standard on how to name continental tournaments at all... Some include the confederation name and should do so (CONCACAF Gold Cup, OFC Nations Cup), some do not but really should (Asian Cup), and some do not and should not (Copa América) and some I am not sure about (African Cup of Nations). But the European Football Championship got me wondering. What should that article (and category, template, ...) be called? UEFA European Football Championship, UEFA European Championship or European Football Championship, or something else? The official UEFA site says "UEFA European Football Championship", while being the name with least hits on google, where "UEFA European Championship" gets many more but "European Football Championship" gets the most. Any thoughts? – Elisson • Talk 22:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting one. My gut would to say that the official name is the one to go with, but "UEFA European Football Championship" is so unbelievably clunky! Of course all the more usual names can be redirects. hmm. aLii 23:01, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  (UEFA) European (Football) Championship or "How To Name Continental Tournaments"