Talk:Blue-fronted amazon

message: # Strongest possible support. 711 Google Scholar hits for "blue fronted amazon" vs. 9 GS hits for "turquoise fronted amazon". That's completely, utterly, totally conclusive, as far as I'm concerned. --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 17:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Support

message: # happy with IOC name. Maias (talk) 00:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Oppose

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message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 03:29, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Turquoise-fronted amazon →  – This might be a controversial one. Looking back over some of the discussions over the names of bird (and particularly parrot) articles, some of them have got VERY heated. Not my intention to offend anyone or troll, but as I was editing tonight I decided to do a search on Google Scholar for this species (as something else I came across made me think to look it up). As far as I am concerned, "blue-fronted Amazon" is the vastly, vastly, overwhelmingly accepted name for this birdie. According to Google Scholar - "blue fronted amazon" = 1850 results, while turquoise-fronted amazon = 153 results. As I understand it, the species name was changed by the International Ornithologists' Union a few years ago - but it doesn't really seem to have been taken up. Should this be moved back, per WP:COMMONNAME? Iloveparrots (talk) 20:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Also, I note that a previous move discussion moved this page to Blue-fronted Amazon in 2009 and that also in 2016, @Aa77zz moved it to the current title in violation of this consensus without discussion (no shade - I see he's still active and I respect his knowledge and edits). --Iloveparrots (talk) 20:38, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

text: See also the related discussion I started for the sun conure/parakeet. Cheers. Iloveparrots (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

text: Making a similar point to the one I made at the sun parakeet discussion. It just seems really odd to me that we have a more widely-used name for this species (by far) that we can't use because of a decision by a few people on a Wikiproject several years ago - a vote that involved 12 people in total. Does the WP:BIRDS agreement supersede WP:COMMONNAME/WP:OFFICIALNAMES? There was even a previous move discussion (see up-page) in 2009 where it was specifically decided to make an exception to the IOC name in this particular case, involving many of the same people who originally voted on the IOC name policy... Iloveparrots (talk) 19:59, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: COMMONNAME isn't the only thing to consider for article titles. Following a single source such as IOC allows us to meet the WP:CONSISTENT article title criterion. American robin and European robin are most commonly referred to simply as "robin". Adding American/European may be a reasonable way to disambiguate, but it isn't how people commonly refer to them in conversation. Plantdrew (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

text: As for where should this be? I lean towards supporting the move per WP:COMMONNAME and sticking with the previous discussion, which staked out an exception to the IOC names rule, to go with Blue-fronted amazon. Ngrams don't pick up turquoise, Google Scholar results heavily favored Blue-fronted amazon above, and all of GHits, Google News and Google Books either favor or heavily favor Blue-fronted amazon. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 02:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

text: If I was aware of the move-page discussion, then I would have supported the move to blue-fronted amazon too. Snowman (talk) 00:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

text: In the 2023 move-page discussion above, I do not know why User:Skarmory says that I incorrectly reverted the article talk page in 2016.  The article name, as agreed by the move discussion in 2009, was blue-fronted amazon at that time, but it was moved to turquoise-fronted amazon by another user. I tried to restore both the article and the talk page back to blue-fronted amazon, the agreed name, but moving the article page was somehow blocked. I think that my attempted intervention was appropriate in 2016. Snowman (talk) 11:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text:  From a technical perspective, the move was incorrectly done. I was trying to figure out the last stable title (in case of a no consensus close), and personally deemed that incorrect move, while done incorrectly, was an indication that the last moved to Turquoise-fronted amazon was contested. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 19:07, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: The concept of my attempted page move was correct, but I could not move it without administrator's tools. The article is now at blue-fronted amazon, which is where I was trying to move the article to.  Snowman (talk) 08:00, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 27 June 2023 

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