Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2007-04-14 Timeline of Military Operations in the 2006 Lebanon War

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Kind regards,anthony[cfc] 19:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mediator Statement 

message: In a very quick read of the timeline it's clear that it's almost all of the Lebanese point of view and not fact. I will break down the figures of that below.
There are three main points of dispute.
*Firstly, This is a timeline. If something is done on a day then it must be recorded as fact against that day. If something is done every day over the timeline period then it must be recorded every day regardless of how boring that is to read. 
*Secondly, Israeli's believe there is a very big difference between bombing a) Using un-guidable and un-targetable Katyusha rockets with the aim of killing civilians in civilian areas compared with b) bombing militants who are hiding in and among civilians in civilian areas while using leaflet dropping tactics to pre-warn of bombings. One is a terrorist tactic from a group that the majority of the west regards as a terrorist group and another is by a military army who are held responsible for their actions. The rockets have no target ability once they have left the ground so they kill indiscriminately. The Lebanese point of view does not differentiate between the facts of a) and b). As this is a timeline all facts must be reflected somewhere.
*Thirdly, There are 24 days in the timeline but only 11 have a record of the rocket attacks which happened every day. No days contain the destruction to Israeli homes but every day details the destruction to Lebanese infrastructure or militant hideouts. The sentences about the rockets are usually incomplete with their facts, usually last or near the end of the days events and offer no explanation around them. Any attempt to change this is met by Salibas "clean up of the mess". Some of these sentences were added by myself an dif not for me there would still be nothing.  They have been moved to last place on the day or deleted, but without them the timeline is factually wrong. On the contracty a POV from a Hezbollah person without explanation cannot be left as fact and most information of what Israel did is included and allowed without citations on the day. 
Every day contains lots of information on what Israel destroyed but nothing about the hundreds of homes damaged by Hezbollah rocket fire. My attempts to add it were "cleaned up" and reverted - totally deleted.
The timeline is so very biased that anyone with a quick breeze over it can tell it's written completely based on the Lebanese viewpoint.
*Date, number of sentences on what happened to Israel, (% of coverage)
*Wednesday, July 12 Start
*Thursday, July 13 2 sentences (7%)
*Friday, July 14 2 sentences (12%)
*Saturday, July 15 nothing (0%) but strangely explains that a Patriot anti-ballistic missile batteries were deployed… no reason why
*Sunday, July 16 5 sentences (43%)
*Monday, July 17 A recorded Hezbollah POV that is wrong as per fact and not explained for it's inaccuracy. 5 Sentences (50%)
*Tuesday, July 18 Nothing (0%)
*Wednesday, July 19 Nothing (0%) but does talk of the Arab children killed by the rocket fire - unexplainable if there was none.
*Thursday, July 20 Nothing (0%)
*Friday, July 21 half a sentence (18%)
*Saturday, July 22 1 sentence (12%)
*Sunday, July 231 sentence (8%)
*Monday, July 24 1 sentence (12%)
*Tuesday, July 25 2 sentence (30%)
*Wednesday, July 26 1 sentence
*Thursday, July 27 2 sentences (50%)
*Friday, July 28 2.5 sentences (38%)
*Saturday, July 29 nothing (0%)
*Sunday, July 30 nothing (0%)
*Monday, July 31 nothing (0%)
*Tuesday, August 1 1 Sentence which makes no sense without local knowledge. (8%)
*Wednesday, August 2 nothing (0%) 
*Thursday, August 3 2 sentences which are incomplete and offer no real explanation of what happened. (10%). POV figures are quoted. These figures are hotly disputed and not explained with Hezbollah not wearing uniforms and using turncoat tactics and that Israeli minimised civilian casualties by taking cover in their domestic bunkers located in the civilian areas.
*Friday, August 4 2 sentences which make no sense without local knowledge. Lots of information on what Israel destroyed but nothing about the hundreds of homes damaged by Hezbollah rocket fire.
I would like to see changed is:
*the entire timeline to accurately reflect the facts 
*not just a Lebanese POV
*An equal amount of detail in each day for both sides of the war
*edits have been removed with the explanation of being labelled redundant. This is history, nothing can be redundant.
*additional facts can only improve the facts
*The article is factually wrong and of low quality. The edits I added, when trying to fix that, were "cleaned up".
*History is not about readability. It is about events of fact.
Hopefully my opinion will be carefully considered
Cyclod 12:24, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:Cyclod|Cyclod]] 

message: Disputes, questions or comments of the above section by other users should be placed here; comments not compliant with WP:NPA and WP:CIVILITY will be removed.
Please keep in mind that this is about the set of your edits which I reverted – not about the neutrality of other sections of the article that neither of us has edited. — George Saliba [talk] 02:55, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Discussion