Talk:Henry M. Morris

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thread_title: Notes

message: The assertion that Henry Morris has no science credentials is simply false.  (by 64.*) 
: 64, I didn't delete anything, I put back a phrase you took out, so accusing me of deletion is a bit odd. Next, I'd be highly interested in hearing what science credentials Morris has. Could you be more specific? JoshuaZ 22:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: He was a hydraulic engineer.  Although that makes him a "scientist", it hardly gives him qualifications in theology, geology or evolutionary biology. — Dunc|☺ 22:41, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Dunc, Engineering is not science. JoshuaZ 22:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Depends on your definition of science.  In the sense that engineering is applied physics, it science, albeit not research science, based upon the methodological naturalism that the Devil isn't going to come along and knock down your acqueduct for fun.  We could also argue whether maths is science or even whether the social sciences are science too if you like.  Anywy, list his credentials; people can decide for themselves whether they're relevant. — Dunc|☺ 13:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm not going to start a debate here, but whether or not Morris had credentials wouldn't make a difference to [[personal attacks deleted by Guettarda] evolutionists. Scorpionman 13:04, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Dr. Henry Madison Morris
B.S.  Rice Institute  1939
M.S.  Univ of Minnesota 1948
Ph.D. Univ of Minnesota 1950 - Civil Engineering
Honorary LLD  Bob Jones University 1966
Honorary D.Litt. Liberty University 1989
Member State Hwy. Dept., Texas, 1938-1939
Jr Engr to Asst Engr, Int. Boundary Comm. 1939-1949
Instr, Civil Engineering, Rice Inst. 1942-1946
Instr to Asst. Prof. & Proj. Supv., St. Anthony Falls Hydraulic Lab, Univ of Minnesota, 1946-1951
Prof of Civil Engr & head of dept, Southwestern La Inst 1951-1956
Prof Applied Science, Univ of Southern Illinois, 1957
Prof of Civil Engr & head of dept, Va Polytech. Inst. & State Univ., 1957-1970
V.P. Academic Affairs, Christian Heritage College, 1970-1978
Pres., Christian Heritage College 1970-1980
Pres., Inst. for Creation Research, 1980-present
Fellow, AAAS
Fellow, Am. Soc. Civil Engineers
member AGU (American Geophysical Union)82.38.77.65 (talk) 14:53, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

text: So he has no scientific credentials relevant to what he discussed and was a Civil Engineer?  So he isn't qualified.  And for the above about theology...Well, theology isn't a scientific realm of study with objectively quantifiable terms and study.  It's basically complete bullshit.  Look at Thomas Aquinas's five proofs for example.  Perfectly respected in theology, yet they remain some of the most laughably idiotic bullshit in all philosophy.  155.225.122.253 (talk) 06:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  "No science credentials" 

message: Since he died, I have modified the article appropriately. Can someone make sure I caught all the tense issues?  Thanks. JoshuaZ 06:55, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How did you find that he died? --Juicy Juicy 00:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  See http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0225morris.asp among other places. JoshuaZ 01:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris' death - past tense 

message: The English adjective "creationary" derives from and refers back to the noun "creation", just as the morphologically parallel adjective "evolutionary" derives from and refers back to the noun "evolution". For all fair-minded individuals, it is no more "controversial", "ugly", "unnecessary", or "verboten" to use the adjective "creationary" than it is to use the parallel adjective "evolutionary". If evolutionary editors of Wikipedia (who are advocates of evolution) insist on forbidding creationary editors of Wikipedia (who are advocates of creation) from using the adjective "creationary", then, to be consistent, they ought also to forbid themselves the use of the parallel adjective "evolutionary" and insist that it be deleted from all Wikipedia articles. What's good for the evolutionary goose is good for the creationary gander. And what's good for the creationary goose is also good for the evolutionary gander.
 creation/evolution (nouns)
 creational/evolutional (adjectives)
 creationary/evolutionary (adjectives)
 creationism/evolutionism (nouns)
 creationist/evolutionist (nouns)
 creationistic/evolutionistic (adjectives) Hans-Friedrich Tamke 03:26, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Absolutley not. What is linguistically perfect is not always how people write. Phrases such as "Creation Science" are common and reasonably form compound noun phrases which we should use. The term "creationary science" returns some 400 or so google hits as opposed to 1.5 million with "creation science." heck the word "creationary"  returns less than 20,000 hits.  And you won't find many uses of "evolutionary" anyways which is also an ugly and uncommon word. JoshuaZ 03:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with JoshuaZ.  In some instances (such as "evolution vs creationism") the grammatical imbalance is problematic, in this case the language reflects the terminology both sides use most often.  "Creation science" has evolved into something more specific (and specifically associated with Morris) than "creationary science" (which presumably would encompass 19th-century creation-oriented science, etc.).  As a side note, "evolutionary" may be ugly, but I wouldn't say it's uncommon, particularly when paired with "biology," "biologist," or "theory."--ragesoss 04:39, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Ok, yes, more common than "creationary" certainly and actually has standard uses. JoshuaZ 04:42, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: They're not parallel because you're trying to put forward both a false dichotomy and that somehow science (which you call "evolutionary science") and creationist pseudoscience (which you call "creationary science") are somehow equally with merit (within the framework of philosophy of science).  You have a rather silly essay on the subject at http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/lab/5985/creation.html — Dunc|☺ 09:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Ok, thanks for the standard  creationist apologetics  philosophical speculation. This has what to do with how the article stands? Please phrase you answer in terms of wiki guidelines like WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:N, WP:OR etc. JoshuaZ 01:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Parallel adjectives: creationary/evolutionary 

message: fyi, an appropriate Google search;
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22father+of+creation+science%22+AND+%28%22Henry+Morris%22+OR+%22Henry+M.+Morris%22%29&btnG=Search&meta=
yields a number of references to the "father of 'creation science'". — Dunc|☺ 19:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Father of "creation science" 

message: I made some changes to the "Beliefs" section in an attempt to make it more neutral and clarify Morris' view of operational and origins science.  Thanks JoshuaZ for correcting me about Elliot Sober and generally wikifying my edit.  I'm pretty new to Wikipedia so I appreciate any help and advice you all may have. Truth Seeker2 22:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Beliefs section edits 

message: I noticed that this article makes no mention of the answers to these criticisms and i've added a link for those who want to take an objective look at the situation. This is especially the case for the racism article as it's merely nonsense and lies. If any of you have a problem with this or I'm going against the wikipedia rules then please let me know. --Macguysoft 06:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics 

message: Lenny Flank, who runs a website bashing Darwin-bashers, cited Morris as claiming that 
evolution was created by Satan -- see http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/2437/devil.htm
for details.  
This might be an interesting comment to add to this article, but though Flank seems to do his
homework, I wouldn't think for a second of describing him as an unbiased source.  He's one of
these types who honestly thinks the USA is heading for a religious fundamentalist dictatorship.
(I'm certain there's plenty of religious fundamentalists that *want* to set up a dictatorship,
but I think that's well beyond their means.)
Does anyone who is more familiar with the writings of Morris know if Flank's 
comments on him are accurate?  MrG 4.225.214.223 16:36, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, the claims are correct. I've listened to Morris make claims about evolution being a New World Order plot, etc. Morris is the original source of creationist-conspiracy claims of the likes of Kent Hovind. Morris outlines it in his book The Long War Against God: The History and Impact of the Creation/Evolution. I think the article should talk about it. We66er (talk) 05:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris:  Evolution is a Satanic Plot? 

message: I removed this link (Rebuttals to the claims of ICR) as it more pertains to the Institute for Creation Research rather than Henry M. Morris.  There is an Answers in Creation link there already. 10outof10die (talk) 20:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed Link to ICR Rebuttals 

message: Does this mean "biologist"? Maybe the article should use the word "biologist", just to be clear that this is who we are talking about. 76.109.150.183 (talk) 00:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. We66er (talk) 21:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Evolutionist 

message: Since this is an article about Henry M. Morris, why not more about who his family is/was?
Does he have only one son or two (or more); daughters?
Also, the SDA connection is curious because Genesis 1 depicts God giving homo sapiens a vegan diet, yet there's no evidence that Henry M. Morris or any of his followers realized the implications of God's Original Design as vegan being anything 'for today', although a great many reformers and great Christian leaders WERE vegetarian (Charles Wesley, the hymnwriter, rumors of Martin Luther, et al), and a presence of fundamentalist Baptists in the modern vegetarian (vegan) discussion (Hallelujah Acres, etc., Dr. George Malkmus).
Also, the scholarly question of 'selective Creationism' or 'selective Biblical Creationism' (i.e. being 'creationist' to the extent that one understands or values the implications, but ignoring other implications).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaynardClark (talk • contribs) 00:56, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Genesis 1 depicts God giving homo sapiens a vegan diet". Yep, although I'm not sure it's exactly vegan. Not many people know that. Not that it reallt matters. A bit later on, by the way, God gives homo sapiens a meat diet (at the end of the Noah story). Not many people know that, either. MacDonald's, doing the Lord's will. PiCo (talk) 00:56, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Morris Family 

message: The article is so far from a NPOV that its continued existence tells people that Wikipedia approves contempt for Christian perspectives. 76.6.69.190 (talk) 11:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps, rather than just making vague attacks and broad assumptions for the sake of your own vanity, you could propose some specific changes, additions, or deletions. 174.53.187.179 (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Untitled section 

message: Can anyone upload an image of Henry Morris to this article? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:12, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image 

message: Should Morris really be listed as being a member of the King James Only movement? It is true that the King James Version was his favorite translation, but I don't think he ever said/thought that no other translation should be used, and he certainly did not think that the KJV was a perfect translation . --1990'sguy (talk) 21:22, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  King James Only movement 

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