Talk:North Korea/Archive 2

message: The following was inserted in the text by user:70.108.30.138 on 00:22, February 7, 2006 and I moved it here:
==International Conflicts==
Hello! These are FACTS: "Wikipedia content is intended to be factual, notable, verifiable with external sources, and neutrally presented, with external sources cited"
If this doesnt belong here, tell me where it does belong please. thanks.
	
In the 1980s North Korea was linked to two international terrorist attacks. In October 1983, North Korean agents were responsible for an attempt on the life of South Korean President Chun Doo Hwan at at Burma's National Cemetery in Rangoon, Burma which killed 17 South Korean officials including the South Korean foreign minister and ambassador to Burma as well as four Burmese. President Chun arrived at the cemetery behind schedule and was unharmed. The Burmese government later apprehended the North Korean agents responsible. North Korea is also believed to be responsible for the bombing of Korean Air Flight 858 on November 29, 1987 over the Andaman Sea in which all 115 passengers and crew were killed. That attack is thought to have been devised to scare tourists away from visiting the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul after North Korea was not asked to co-host the events .
	
North Korea has sponsored numerous acts of terror against South Korea since its founding .
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--rogerd 05:38, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by anon editor moved to talk page 

message: I corrected info in the infobox because it was incorrect or unverifiable. For instance, I removed the hanja characters because their use is banned in North Korea, which hardly makes it an official name. And the GDP estimates go back; I hardly think that the CIA underestimates North Korea's GDP for propaganda, it doesn't make sense. And 40 billion seems like a little too round of a figure to be anything but a complete and total guess.--naryathegreat | (talk) 04:32, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox edits

message: "Major Pyongyang boulevard during rush hour." Was the picture actually taken during rush hour? Apokrif 15:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image commentary 

message: I believe that the official sport of North Korea is StarCraft because it managed to boast North Korea's economy significantly.
Wrong Korea, even though you were joking--193.195.185.254 20:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Official Sport 

message: User:Visviva has worked hard to create a brand new Portal:Korea. Please take a look & contribute if you can. I think the new Template:Korea topics has the potential to be a more useful reference tool than categories or lists, if editors continue to expand and update it. It's also a good reminder for help & requests on ye olde notice board. Hopefully, this will help revive some activity all around. Appleby 21:23, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  new [[Portal:Korea]] 

message: how do we know this is typical? is there a reputable source for that description & the speculation on how the picture was taken? after all, it wouldn't be hard for someone to take a picture of a "redevelopment" project in any city, USA, & label it "typical". Appleby 06:25, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  typical north korean home? 

message: According to the South Korea article, both Korean states are members of the UN since 1991. This article here doesn't mention that fact. Could one of the regular editors please consider how to include it. Thanks, Str1977 (smile back) 15:06, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is one source for the 1991 date.  This article needs a full "Military and foreign relations" section.  -- Visviva 15:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: UN membership

message: I put a new documentary up, I believe that everyone must see this. It sheds alot of light on the situation in North Korea.
Gimpyn00b 11:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Must-See Documentary 

message: This article has nothing to say about Korea's military strength. Or their nuclear capabilities (none yet evidently). And the same for chemical and biological weapons. Is it a lack of valuble info? or are we just sidestepping the issue?
: Lack of valuable info - how many people actually know how many nukes a given country has, for example.. and we're talking about a country that refuses to even release financial information, you'll never get anything out that you would bet your house on being correct. --Streaky 04:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Korea's Military? 

message: if their official name is democratic peoples republic of korea, why is the official page for the dprk redirected to "north korea". that doesnt seem very professional of wikipedia to do that. it should be reversed. the title should read dprk and then (north korea) should be in brackets.
:isn't this a valid point? does anyone object? Appleby 18:45, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: actually, i see that germany, russia, mexico, etc are all under the common names, not official gov't names. but these examples refer to a historic/geographic entity and the current polity together. korea/south korea is a bit different, since south korea refers to the modern polity only so there's more of a reason to use the official name, kinda like the separate entries for historic china/prc, where the latter is under the official name.Appleby 03:52, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia doesn't use official titles, it uses English names, and for an excellent reason: it's written in English.  North Korea is the correct name for the country, whether you're speaking Canadian English like me, or Wikipedia's more prevalent American English or British English.  Roughly speaking, the point of Wikipedia is to catalogue facts *as they exist*, not *as they are officially proclaimed*. WilyD 21:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I consider North Korea more like a geographical name. The DPRK claims the whole Korea even though it cannot administer the South. The Republic of Korea also claims the whole Korea even though it cannot administer the North. However, as North Korea and the DPRK are practically used like synonyms for now, I do not oppose staying North Korea as the main article name, though I, as a Chinese speaker, do consider using "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" more formal.--Jusjih 18:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

text: shouldn't it be 'Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk' by that measure? or better yet - 조선민주주의인민공화국朝鮮民主主義人民共和國 - the issue is, that noth korea is common usage, plus, i'd personaly refuse to call it democratic when it blatantly isn't.. when a north korean tells me otherwise i'll change my POV.. North Korea fits with NPOV, and the CIA factbook and basically every news organisation uses the term 'North Korea' not some cooked-up term that makes it look like NK actually holds elections. --Streaky 04:37, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It seems you don't know much about North Korea or Korean for that matter - you repeated the name of the country twice there, one in Korean script, the other in Hanja (Sino-Korean) script.  In another of your edits you even called Kim Jong-il Mr. Jong-il as if his surname was Jong-il, instead of Kim.  The country is NOT calling itself democratic or a democracy as you understand it; it is calling itself a PEOPLE'S DEMOCRACY, ie a communist state - those two terms are entirely different.  Naming the country has nothing to do with POV...  the CIA + other US news organisations are not the official ones of the world, nor do they present unbiased viewpoints or represent the world's opinion.  Even CNN is hardly neutral.  Wake up and see the world outside of the USA.  Jsw663 06:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dprk 

message: The article doesn't inform about the censorship and political police.
Xx236 13:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This area DEFINITELY needs some representation.  The complete lack of any outside media information available to the average North Korean citizen is what, to me, is most representative of the way their countrky wors.  I've found several websites that illustrate this fact, but they're mighty POV.  Perhaps I'll link them here first and see if they're usable.JD79 08:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one of the big problems for this country, along with a handful of other nations with massive human rights violations (the Sudan, Liberia).  Given the nature of the regime, most sources come off as obviously being opposed to it...  Its like writing about Hitler. --The Way 06:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Censorship, political police 

message: All three photographs on this page are of Pyongyang.  These should be balanced with pictures of the rest of the state, as in China's entry, which has historical and rural, not just modern and urban, views.  Such pictures can come from documentaries, from human rights organizations, or from historical documents.  Someone more knowledgeable than I on this subject could help a lot. Calbaer 20:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Problem is, it's hard to come by allowed media from outside of the city.  --TJive 20:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not really; few pictures are taken, but those pictures are widely distributed; the only issue is licensing.  See, for example, this site.  I'm not sure how to go about asking, but, unless someone adds them, I'll try to find out how in the coming days. Calbaer 20:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked, and although he was willing to put them on Wikipedia, he hasn't agreed to the CC licence or the GFDL.  I'll add a link. Calbaer 21:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: I added a POV check banner at the top of this  page because the overall mood seems to be from an American or "western" point of view  violating wikipedia's NPOV policy.
Is it really even possible to be NPOV on an article like this? Not a lot of information comes out of North Korea. 71.19.6.20 02:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added the needed reference links. Someone might also want to change "is often described as" to "has been described as", but I don't think that's necessary. --70.142.40.34 21:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV Check / Overview 

message: North Korea is an actual event?.. That tag should be in the section that the person who put it thinks is an actual event, but a country an actual event? literally... yes... but then you have to put the tag in every country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bauta (talk • contribs) 
:The tag was included by  due to the current US-NK missile controversy, please see this edit. Cheers. --Nkcs 00:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Actual event? 

message: It is great that wikipedia can be updated to the lastest news story, but I don't think that from a long term perpective the launching of 6 missiles is such a big deal.  North Korea has had a weapons program for some time and this is just one of many steps in that dirrection.  I think that all to often we forget that we are tring to write an article that will last a long time, not one that will have to be updated every few weeks to remain accurate.  Jon513 23:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Seven missiles. The significance of this test is not in the testing itself, but in the breaking of its own moratorium on long range missile testing. I strongly disagree that this is no "big deal". --208.41.98.142 16:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

text: There are no constants in international politics.  Please remember that.  For God's sake, the paper encyclopedias couldn't scramble quickly enough to keep pace with events in our tumultuous twentieth century!  We have here a capacity, and we're making use of it.  That's all.  --VKokielov 21:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  current events 

message: What does "Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk" is just the translation of the Demorcartic Republic of Korea or is it somthing elese?--Scott3 23:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: see Names of Korea for full details on Joseon, a name of ancient korean kingdom & last dynasty (that's south korean romanization; north korea romanizes the same word as Chosŏn). minjujuui means democracy; inmin means people; konghwaguk means republic. Appleby 23:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Shouldn't there be somthing in the article about that then--Scott3 01:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What does "Chosŏn Minjujuŭi Inmin Konghwaguk"