Talk:MY Steve Irwin

message: The article on the Steve Irwin reports that the ship is armed with 2 25mm cannon and 4 12.7mm cannon. For what purpose would it be armed, and what is the source that it is armed? If it was armed in the past, it is likely that said arms would be removed for the usage of a so-called peaceful protest organization. 142.231.68.81 (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Armament on Steve Irwin? 

message: This article needs significant fact-checking and better references. For instance, the 'Career' section claims that Sea Shepherd threw bottles of butyric acid on the decks of Kaiko Maru. The reference given:
...is from a blog page hosted by Mother Jones magazine which I doubt is subject to editorial review. Furthermore, it is not Kaiko Maru, but the Japanese ship Nisshin Maru, or rather its crew that accused Sea Shepherd of causing injuries. The captain of MV Steve Irwin disputes whether any injuries were caused. Aren't several incidents being conflated here? Let's try to get this straightened out, people! --Araucaria (talk) 14:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup 

message: Butyric acid has similar properties to acetic acid (aka vinegar); "irritating to eyes" and "harmful to aquatic organisms" can be said about literally every chemical other than water. Bobxii (talk) 03:07, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should make your own subheading but in any case I removed the claims as they were clearly original research Nil Einne (talk) 03:58, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Section moved because people were confusing the situation by replying under this rather then under the relevant points Nil Einne (talk) 12:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

text: Also I removed the section again as it was re-inserted by 59. The reliability of safety data sheets is irrelevant since it is clearly OR to mention information from safety data sheets in that way. If there is another reliable source which mentions the info from the safety data sheets and specifically links this to the attack then you are welcome to re-insert it Nil Einne (talk) 13:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I should preface this by saying that I have absolutely no interest in Sea Shepherd, nor in Japan's whaling policy, so I am merely motivated by interest. Could you explain why citing information from material safety data sheets constitutes original research? These are, in my experience, quite easy to obtain for common chemicals and contain reliable information. Or is the problem really an issue of relevance to the article, which is how I would see it. --Albert Tellier (talk) 16:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Have you read WP:OR, especially the parts about synthesis and primary sources? The safety data sheets (a primary source) are being used to advance the position that butyric acid is more dangerous then Sea Shepherd claims. This may or may not be true, but the point is primary sources should not be used in this way. If another reliable source has used the safety data sheet to advance this position, then that would be fine. But wikipedians cannot advance said position based on their intepretation of a primary source. It might be acceptable to mention details in the butryric acid article if relevant (although I'm somewhat doubtful it will be) but not here. Nil Einne (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I have read the policy. Thank you for your clarification. I agree that the information is irrelevant to this article (and I would imagine, also irrelevant to the Sea Shepherd article, as butyric acid is only a click away). I would not view a material safety data sheet as a primary source, but you are right in suggesting that the presence of the information in this article would create an impression of greater danger. --Albert Tellier (talk) 17:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Butyric acid 

message: Hostages is clearly a POV term in this case and should not be used except in verbatim quotation from sources which use the term Nil Einne (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hostages 

message: From the intro: MV Steve Irwin is a 59-meter (195-foot) conservation enforcement ship owned by Sea Shepherd. The vessel was built in 1975 and was a Scottish Fisheries Protection Agency patrol boat for 28 years.
The vessel was previously named the MV Robert Hunter after Canadian Robert Hunter
This should be rewritten to say that when owned by Sea Shepherd, it was previously called MV Robert Hunter.  I'm sure it wasn't called that when it was a Scottish Fisheries vessel.  The phrasing reads very ambiguously/unclearly. 86.133.214.216 (talk) 11:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Needs sorting

message: Suggest deleting this page which was created as a joke:
MV Steve Irwin enjoying Brian Peppers' deals on meals whilst reading the Encyclopedia Dramatica on w.heels)
Is there an admin in the audience?. JJL (talk) 19:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: What's the point of dousing a whaling ship in a foul-smelling chemical? What do they think WHALES smell like inside? Flowers and strawberries?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The idea is to get it on to whale carcasses, or on the deck where the whale will be in contact with it, so that the whale meat cannot be sold commercially for food due to it smelling like rancid butter. It's not to annoy the crew. The smell also wouldn't be a problem for scientific research. [edit: Or maybe it is to keep the crew off the deck. I'm not sure really.] —Pengo 06:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

text: There is no need. We don't say anything about their desire to prevent the sale of whale meat in the article. We simply report their claim which is their desire to stink up the deck due to the foul and long lasting smell. Whether they expected it to make any real impact is unclear and probably somewhat irrelevant. Nil Einne (talk) 17:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Foul smell 

message: check this story out . should this be integrated into the article?-Aknorals (talk) 02:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Whale protester claims he was shot by whalers. Jtrainor (talk) 22:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whale protester shot by whalers? 

message: The word "former" was added before "conservation enforcement ship" in the opening sentence in February with no explanation as to why. AFAIK the ship is still in service. Am I missing something? Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 04:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have reworded the top now, does that make it more clear? Fosnez (talk) 05:57, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 05:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former? 

message: From the reports I've read, the Steve Irwin's crew is predominently, if not completely, caucasian, while the Japanese whaling ship's crews are all Japanese.  Has there been anything in the press that has covered a possible racial or cultural factor involved in this confrontation between the environmentalists and the whalers? Cla68 (talk) 02:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No. The conflict is simply between two points of view. --Swift (talk) 04:16, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And you know this how? I suppose you've read the minds of every crew member? I think the possible racial factor is very interesting. I mean, you'll note that they go after the Japanese whaling fleet, not the Norwegian or Icelandic whalers. And the Icelandic fleet is much larger, and loudly and proudly announces itself as a commercial whaling fleet. Makes you wonder... I just don't think you can unequivocally state "No. The conflict is simply between two points of view." You don't know. SpudHawg948 (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest you read the article on Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society#Operations before claiming they haven't gone after Norwegian or Icelandic whalers.  Sea Shepherd has sunk multiple of their ships.  Furthermore, while I don't know the whole crew's racial background, there is a native Japanese woman on the Steve Irwin's crew (as documented on Whale Wars).  The crew has been shown making sushi as well.  That would suggest it isn't purely racial or a cultural rejection. 76.204.200.216 (talk) 05:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: People have mentioned on forums that Watson came across racist in the Whale Wars show for saying that the Japanese would not know what to do with females coming on board due to their culture. However, I have not seen this mentioned in reliable sources.Cptnono (talk) 06:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't need to read the section on their operations. I know they have gone after the Norwegians and Icelanders in the past. I was pointing out that when they televised it, they decided to switch to the Japanese. And please don't tell me that they can't be racist because they eat sushi! Now, I'm not saying that they are racist, but stating that they aren't based on what they eat is like saying that Paul Watson can't be racist because he wears a black shirt. As for the Japanese crew member, are you familiar with the term Tokenism? This seems like a good example. A real case can be made though that the entire show is one big excercise in Institutional Racism, with the valiant, (nearly) all-white crew of the Steve Irwin charging in to defeat the evil Japanese. At the very least, it's an example of the mostly Anglo Sea Shepherds attempting to impose their own cultural values upon a different racial and ethnic group.For the Japanese (as well as the Norwegians and Icelanders), whaling is an important part of their culture, and the crew of the Steve Irwin are attempting to supplant those with their own Anglo values. This would, in fact, suggest that race and culture are a definate factor, and backs up my previous point. SpudHawg948 (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Your point means nothing on Wikipeida without proper sources. Find a source and we can put it in. (Please see: Wikipedia:Reliable sources) Cptnono (talk) 22:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, I wasn't really trying to insert a point into the article, merely defending someone else's observation (which I thought had merit) from being summarily dismissed as ridiculous when, as I have pointed out, there is at least strong anecdotal evidence in favor of institutional, if not overt, racism in play here. But now you have me thinking. Would a statement by the Coalition to End Racial Targeting of North American Indian Nations (CERTAIN) website be considered a reliable source?  To find what I am referring to, scroll down. They have an entire section on Paul Watson under their "Some Examples of Racism in the Anti-Whaling Movement" page, and from what I've seen of the rest of their site, these are not some politically motivated issues group. SpudHawg948 (talk) 09:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

text: SpudHawg948, you make some impressive arguments against things nobody here claimed.  Of course eating sushi doesn't mean someone is racist.  It sure suggests they aren't against Japanese culture in general though, which was the second half of the motivational factors Cla68's questioned.  The SSCS didn't switch to interfering with the Japanese whalers when the show began.  They were, based on Wikipedia's own info, on that campaign for three years before the TV show started filming.  I don't deny that the SSCS disagrees with the portion of Japanese culture that supports whaling, but that doesn't mean they're against the entire country's culture. (Incidentally, you might want to read about the history of that whaling "culture" before lumping the rest of Japan in with it yourself.)  Ascribing their views on a fraction of the population to the whole Japanese culture is as much a fallacy as it would be to ascribe the SSCS's views and opinions to all of "Anglo" culture.  For example, if you know the history of the SSCS so well, then you must know they had their other ship confiscated after it collided with a Canadian Coast Guard ship.  Of course, it might've only been non-Anglo Canadians on board at the time.   76.204.200.216 (talk) 06:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

text: a main point sea shepherd makes is there not anti-japanese, anti-nowrgeian, anti-native american, or anyone else they go after. there anti-whaling. and the comment watson made about the japanese not knowing what to do if women boarded? thats there culture, women were unequal with men for a long time in japan. and sea shepherd has gone after other groups, right now they have a ship in the faores isles the Golfo Azzurro.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.204.217 (talk) 19:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Racial tension?

message: "The boat has been registered in the Netherlands as of October 8, 2007.[6]"
Footnote 6 is a reference to a New Yorker article that does not support the assertion.
24.118.197.153 (talk) 04:30, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation Wrong 

message: The ship is listed as MV on Steve Irwin's site and MY on the boat's site itself...which is correct?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.65.183.100 (talk) 08:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been something that has been discussed but not gone anywhere. Basically, SSCS tries to register their vessels as motor yachts. They have lost registration for it before and many sources say that they are simply motor vessels. They are not pleasure craft. One option of addressing this is to rename the pages in the topic area "Name (ship)".Cptnono (talk) 08:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  According to an interview with Watson, he said that a judge granted the ship with the status of Yacht, on the basis, that yatchs are for pleasure, and it was in his opinion that SSCS crew gained pleasure and fun out of the ship.  Also, to have a vessel registered as M/V you need a captain's license, whereas a yacht doesn't. KyprosNighthawk (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Name

message: Does anyone have a useable photo showing its new paint job? Spiffy. http://www.seashepherd.org/commentary-and-editorials/2011/04/07/the-changing-of-our-colors-10  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.159.5 (talk) 02:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This isn't their fan page. This isn't a mirror of their website. If they chose to release an image under the appropriate license it could be used. Cptnono (talk) 07:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

text: Not until we have one that is licensed appropriately. And stop screwing up the page. It has been explained to you multiple times.Cptnono (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New paint job 

message: Does anyone know what the significance of the pseudo-pennant number 77 painted on the bow of this vessel is? -- saberwyn 00:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not aware of any specific significance for "77". There has been speculation on other sites that the Dutch flag, paint scheme and number are to make it look more like an "official" Dutch vessel. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Number 77? 

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message: The title is MY Steve Irwin, but the first sentence in the lead says "MV Steve Irwin" סשס Grimmchild. He/him, probably 11:24, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  MV or MY?