Talk:Duchy of Normandy

message: Hi guys. The passage beginning: "One interpretation[who?] of the Conquest maintains that England became a cultural and economic backwater...." is a little spurious. To argue England was a 'backwater' at any point from 1066 onward is silly; England's contribution to the history of the Church (mostly thanks to the Irish monks) was vital. It would also have made Henry I laugh to hear that he didn't really care about England when he had truly gone native and considered himself very much part of the life of the English. Even Rufus would have found the suggestion absurd - he needed English money to pay off his brother Robert, Duke back in Normandy. As with all things, the truth is far more dull - the Norman court had to balance its responsibilities to BOTH regions equally whilst maintaining separate domains. Hence Duke Robert and his brother King Rufus spent their lives fighting each other and then helping each other against their younger brother Henry, while simultaneously continuing to rally English warlords to their separate causes. The reign of Henry I, far from making England a "backwater", made it a beacon of order and progress.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.77.39.58 (talk) 23:29, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that this whole passage needs either to be rewritten or citations found for the passage in its current form. I'll aim to do either soon. SamWilson989 (talk) 01:08, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Poor commentary in 'Norman Duchy' section

message: I've tried to sort out the material on the two pages to keep the list of Dukes of Normandy (and info about the claims to the title) separate from Duchy of Normandy, which I think is a better place for the history and culture of the Duchy. Hope this is useful. Man vyi 13:05, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)
:Imported and adapted some text from Norman Conquest. Man vyi 11:45, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
A map would be helpful.  Does anyone have one in the public domain?  The Jade Knight 06:54, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Keeping things separate

message: Who ruled the Duchy of Normandy after the English Kings were forced out?  Emperor001 (talk) 19:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: According to French Wikipedia, it became part of the royal demesne, i.e. it was ruled directly by the king of France.  Scolaire (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

text: I've updated the article accordingly.  Scolaire (talk) 16:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact it was the duchy of Normandy who ruled England, not the reverse.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.66.146.209 (talk) 10:33, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: To simplify : the duchy of Normandy ruled England between 1066 and 1204. The king of France ruled the Duchy of Normandy between 1204 and 1419. England ruled the Duchy of Normandy between 1419 and 1449. The king of France ruled the duchy of Normandy again for a short time before suppressing it (but not the Norman exchequer and then Norman parliament). The French Republic suppressed it definitly in the 18th century. Too sad. Nortmannus (talk) 01:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: After English Rule

message: The second paragraph of the article contains two significant errors as written:
First, the fiefdom of Normandy did NOT "originally encompass" the "province" of Neustria, which contained vastly more territory than that occupied by the Normans, and was roughly co-terminus with what was later called 'West Francia'.
Second, the current Duchy of Normandy is NOT "now divided between territory in mainland France and the Channel Islands". The two Regions of Normandie on the mainland are the sovereign territory of the nation of France. There is NO part of the French mainland that is subject to, or claimed by, the British Monarch. The current Duchy of Normandy consists solely and entirely of the territory in the Channel Islands under the Bailiwicks of Guernsey and Jersey. - StevoDog21 (talk) 20:36, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool.  Go ahead and be bold.  Scolaire (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Sounds great! If you can edit the talk page you shouldn't have to study too much "notation".  Just make sure anything that's linked stays linked.  And you could add links to Rouen, Seine, Évreux, Alençon, Haute-Normandie and Basse-Normandie.  Note I have changed some of the spellings, in line with the article names.  Happy editing!  Scolaire (talk) 22:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

text: Oh, and if you happen to know exactly where that info is to be found, it would be good to add a citation in the form:  Joe Bloggs, History of the Duchy of Normandy (1999), Oxford, p. 111 Scolaire (talk) 22:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Second paragraph

message: Hi, I have recently added the end date of the duchy in the descriptor box at the side, I interpreted this as being when the Duchy was Formally abolished after the french revolution. However the dukedom had been in French royal possession since 1204 does this constitute an abolition date? Finally the British Monarch still claims to be the Duke of Normandy (as a justification for the British ownership of the Channel Islands) does this mean that the Duchy has never been abolished? Any thoughts on the correct date? --Redadder123 (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  End Date 

message: I have change the banner to it's actual form. Maymichael2 (talk) 04:09, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banner of Duchy of Normandy 

message: Aren't these flags and coats totally anachronism? Bertdrunk (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Seems like it.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 23:41, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Flags?

message: A false statement that the title is used today by the monarch of the United Kingdom had been reinserted into the opening paragraph, with no citation. The falseness of this is explained earlier on this Talk page with citations. The title is only used informally, and all formal usage by the governments of the Channel Islands and the UK is "Her Majesty the Queen" (and now, "His Majesty the King") with no reference to the title "Duke of Normandy". It is basically just used in toasts. Mauls (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current usage