Talk:Doner kebab/Archive 1

message: if you look in the recent history (see date below) you will notice that a picture was removed with no reason given, seeing that it is logical to show the meat being cooked (the meat being the a key component of the Donor kebab) in an article about Donor kebabs the picture ought to be restored.
If no one can give a convincing reason why the picture should be out then I think it would be better to have it in, especially as the picture would be an aid to recognition for those who have trouble putting a face to the name/name to the face and especially for those who have not seen the vertical rotating spit of the Donor kebab. If possible, the picture should be made into a split picture showing both meat and chicken spits.
--I 15:05, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it is. I saw "donner meat and chips" and "tray of donner meat" from time to time when at University in the Midlands, despite never having encountered them at home in the South. Personally, I consider them both (especially the latter) to be something of an abomination. PeteVerdon 15:07, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of picture of Donor kebab meat being cut from spit 

message: I have made some comments on this issue at Talk:Shawarma. Perhaps we can discuss the ins and outs of it there. Palmiro | Talk 10:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Döner kebab isn't the same as shawarma or gyros, so I don't see why this should be merged. Rhobite 00:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be okay having an article döner which refers to the cooking method and a separate page for the sandwiches; however, the mergist argument against separate pages is that no one of the pages could be good enough to be featured, but a single article could — quite easily, in my opinion. --Mgreenbe 15:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge 

message: Let me explain something: while the two foods SEEM similar, as a whole they are not. Being from Chicago, where Gyros is served everywhere, i am familiar with a particular style of this food. Often traveling to Berlin, I am familiar with Doner Kebap, these two styles and tastes couldnt be more different! They ARE different foods! however there should be a link between both of them.  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Victorgrigas (talk • contribs) 20:22, January 19, 2006  (UTC)
:Please take a look at the discussion in Talk:Shawarma.  The basic argument is that not only are they all basically the same food, and of the same origin, but also that there is no systematic relationship between the names and the foods. --Macrakis 20:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Melon?  Mince?  Sesame sauce?  Shawarma is nothing like that here in Israel.  (Though melon does sound interesting.  And some prosciutto...mmm.)  It should also be noted that shawarma here is always spiced; gyros in Providence, Rhode Island is never spiced.  I appreciate your connaisseurité, but I hope you understand that it is provincial; I mean this without insult — you are clearly quite experienced, and I solicit your advice on German street food. How are these foods different in a general way? --Mgreenbe 22:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DO NOT ADD TO GYROS 

message: An article on food is not the place to describe immigration. Joncnunn 18:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: German section straying from the topic

message: It doesn't matter that the variations taste differently..that is to be expected with the myriad
spices and sauces available around the world. They are all spiced meat grilled on a vertical spit
served on bread with condiments and vegetables. An analogy is soup. There are infinite types of 
soup that can be served around the world that all taste and look different, but they are all just soup. People - swallow your silly national pride and accept a merger of the articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.81.16.207 (talk • contribs) 00:08, May 25, 2006  (UTC)
:What do you propose we merge them as?  Soup has a common name for all its variations. These things do not. Plus, though say, leek soup and potato soup are the same thing, do they not deserve seperate articles?BovineBeast 16:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So what are the variants, and how do they differ from each other? Palmiro | Talk 23:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  donair, kebab, gyro, shawarma is all the same - merge 

message: Can anyone actually cite this translation of Doner Kebab?
According to my translation I get the following:
rotten - bozuk
rotten - kokmu?
rotten - kaba
rotten - berbat
rotten - boktan
rotten - rezil
meat - et
meat - li konu
meat - yarak
--Yyem 13:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey, the meat is not rotten, its rotating. Rotate in Turkish is dönmek, and in simple present tense it becomes döner. Bertilvidet 13:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rotting Meat

message: Great care is taken in alphabetizing the country listings under the various continents, but not the continents themselves - of course, Americas would then be ahead of Asia, Europe, etc. which may be the reason that this isn't being done...just another Wiki inconsistency (and no, in alphabetizing you don't consider the "the" which really isn't needed in any case)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.168.113 (talk) 01:34, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical? 

message: Doner Kebab??? I don't understand why Gyros are redirected here. Just another example of why wiki sucks. All the West-hating liberals can hijack a page to make them selves feel better thinking they can rewrite history.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.188.155 (talk) 02:48, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Couldn't it be considered middle eastern instead ? The borders between Europe, Asia, Africa and the less defined areas where they meet vary depending on who you are talking to, and in which context. --86.144.20.95 (talk) 22:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Döner Kebab (the original) is of course not German, but it seems like the Döner sandwich-style variation where meat and salad is stuffed into a flat bread (and that is what Germans know as Döner) was invented in Germany in the 1960s or 1970s by Turkish immigrants in Germany  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.210.114.106 (talk) 13:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Doner Kebab is non-European? 

message: Could this article be merged with the one entitled "shawarma"? I think these are basically two different terms for the same thing.
Maybe the other way round. The name doner kebap is much more well known that shawarma.
No. Merging is what is getting so many people confused about donairs. I am sick of telling people about halifax donairs and they say "oh, they are just the same as a gyro" which they arent. I dont need them confusing them with shwarmas when i am trying to explain what they are. Gyros and shwarmas look and taste completley different from a donair. Donairs deserve their own article. --Dallin Tanjo22 22:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge with "shawarma"? 

message: Rated as start class becuase the article lacks inline citations, even though it is quite long in length
A question to everyone who believes the articles in question should be merged...have you eaten an authentic lebanese shawarma,turkish doner kabab & greek gyro?? if you have you'll have the common sense & the taste buds to realize that they are NOT the same...the only thing vaguely similar about them is the way they're processed...the ingredients they use to marinate the meat is different,the pita/khubz(bread) they're wrapped/pocketed in is different,the spread they use on the bread is different & the accompaniements are different...so please give them their own articles like they rightly deserve...in case you're wondering,this from someone who's grown up eating lebanese shawarmas in the mid-east,turkish doner kebaps in the U.K & having tried greek gyros on the streets of n.y.c. 82.148.96.68 19:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rating for WPTR 

message: Am I the only person wondering about the link to an article about food poisoning in the links after the döner kebab article?
I fail to see why kebabs and food poisoning are linked and why that link doesn't appear in other fast food articles of other origins. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.242.204.164 (talk) 22:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In popular culture in the UK, kebabs are heavily linked to food poisoning, but I have no idea if there is any statistical basis to it, or it is just an urban legend type thing. --86.144.20.95 (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

text: "I am proud to admit that I have suffered food poisoning on at least 7 separate occasions after consuming a donner kebab at my local kebabary". That just makes you an idiot for repeatedly eating at a place that gave you food poisening! 217.93.217.127 (talk) 03:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also: Food poisoning? 

message: Why are you removing information? Artaxiad 22:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted, that version sounds like this: "Doner kebap (donsdhfl etc) .. is the name given to an Armenian dish made of ..." - that doesn't sound right. This is the article about Doner kebab, not something else, people are free to start something else, like gyros or shwarma.. Baristarim 20:08, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A quick Web check shows that khorovadz isn't döner at all; it is any roast meat on skewers, more like shish kebab.  So you are right to remove it.  On the other hand, I still think that döner kebab, shawarma, and gyros should be unified in one article: even the name shawarma (cevirme) is Turkish, and gyros is just a fairly recent calque of döner.  But alas the Turkish chauvinists, the Arab chauvinists, the Greek chauvinists, et al. all agree they should be separate articles.  Sigh. --Macrakis 20:55, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

text: Yes, usually Greeks call the product "gyros", Arabs and Israelis call it "shawarma", and Turks call it "doner", and yes, there is quite a bit of variety in the preparation of the meat, the condiments used, and the type of bread. The basic similarity remains, and indeed the variants seem to have as much to do with local tastes as with the name; then there is free variation.  So Muhammad's shawarma in Detroit may be more like Dimitri's gyros in Detroit and Orhan's doner in Lyon than it is like Fariq's shawarma in Cairo. --Macrakis 16:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Denizz 

message: It is a bit strange to start with a comparison of doner with shawarma, gyros etc. Especially where there are pages dedicated to both. This awkward situation seems to be resulting from "Diasporic" edits.
"Döner Kebab around the world section" is another story. As soon as possible, I will introduce information about "tartiflette" around the world. "Tartiflette in Japan", "Tartiflette in Russia"..
Or "sushi in Turkey", "sushi in England", "sushi in Luxembourg".
And what is this???
"Today, döner kebab is typically served as a kind of sandwich in pita (flat bread)(in Europe?! In its home country, it is served in bread (with tomato, onion, pepper) or with RICE). The döner kebab with salad and sauce served in pita, which is predominant in Germany and the rest of the world (following Turkey, I suppose), was invented in Berlin-Kreuzberg in 1971 (those who wrote this phrase here should have invented it!!!), because the original preparation was not appealing enough to the German taste (Germany went to a referandum and voted on the topic.."original preparation" (who knows what has been meant here) is not appealing to us! Oki doki). The döner has been the most popular fast food dish in Germany since the 1980s." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Z y (talk • contribs) 22:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Awful introducton 

message: In the intro, it says "Döner Kebab (as döner kebap in Turkish and often simply kebap, döner, doner or donner)". However, 'kebap' in Turkish is not the same as Doner. It refers to a wide range of dishes, including Doner.
*Yes, but people incorrectly refer to this as kebab as well. Why, just the other day, I ordered the completely wrong thing at an unfamiliar shop just yesterday. 66.109.195.106 19:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean we should prefer the mistake, right? Regrettably sometimes ignorance weighs more than anything else in naming the people, objects, food etc around us as well as many abstract concepts. Sorry to have noticed your talk more than five years after it was written. --E4024 (talk) 00:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Have you eaten a ham sandwich, a cheese sandwich and Norwegian Egg Sandwich? Do you have the buds and all to realize how different they are? So why don't you go to thesandwich article and separate it into as many different articles as necessary? --85.99.77.96 (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kebap is not doner 

message: A Donair and a doner-kebab are two ENTIRELY different things.  I simply can't understand why "<B>Donair</B>" or "<B>Halifax Donair</B>" redirects me to this article.  At the moment, I have absolutely no interest in doner-kebabs or gyros... I am specifically looking for information pertaining to <B><U>Donairs</U></B>.  PLEASE, give the Halifax Donair it's own article, and just leave it be.<BR>
142.68.48.17 09:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. While similar, a donair is definitely not a 'döner kebab', and it is lost in the pointless largeness of this article. Anyone in Canada or the US trying to find out what a donair is would be very confused after reading this article (despite this article's claims, donair is hard to find outside of Nova Scotia. Very few people outside of this province have ever heard of it). It's like clumping 'pizza' into the 'pie' article. Please create a Halifax Donair article. --Marshmello 00:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: FWIW, you can get donairs pretty easily in Newfoundland.--Stacecom (talk) 23:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halifax donair 

message: Should we create a new article about Doner in different countries? That section is quite unstable, it occupies a big space, and it is not particularly necessary here (a summary with  to the actual article should be enough). Also is there anyone here who is against the merger? I am in favor of merging, but I don't mind so much keeping them separate. DenizTC 20:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Any thoughts? DenizTC 23:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyone against this? DenizTC 21:09, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: New article: done. Anyone wishing to provide sources for those 'facts', please do so on Döner kebab around the world.  We can change the name as well. DenizTC 04:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merger and a new article? 

message: Is this really the origin for Gyros? Docku: What up? 04:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yorgos Babiniotis, the ultimate authority on Greek Etymology says it actually is.
--88.254.132.139 (talk) 14:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin 

message: The döner kebab with salad and sauce served in pita, which is predominant in Germany, was invented in Berlin-Kreuzberg in 1971, because the original preparation was not appealing enough to German tastes. The döner has been among the most popular fast food dishes in Germany since the 1980s.
*Since this contradicted a referenced piece of information, it's been removed. - Mgm|(talk) 13:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You are mistaken, NOT the kebab itself is claiming to be invented but the version "in a "pitta" bread" (and NOT on a plate). Döner is mentioned in Ottoman Cookbooks written, way before Germany was a country. I also have predicaments about the latter, as User:Macrakis pointed it out previously, he remembers eating Döner on a bread way before 70's as do my grandparents. --88.254.132.139 (talk) 14:14, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced statement 

message: The Main Picture of the article is plain ugly, and shows a gas cooked döner, which many could find artificial. I have  here examples of real Turkish Döner, from Bursa, cooked on either wood, charcoal, or cast iron, all from master craftsmen, among which we should choose one as a replacement for the article.
Image:Bursa4.JPG
Image:Bursa8.JPG
Image:Bursa13.JPG
Image:Bursa14.JPG
Image:Bursa24.JPG
--88.254.132.139 (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, and while waiting for a consensus, I am putting Master Cemîl Çalışır and his hand-carved döner on wood fire, from Bursa up.
--88.254.132.139 (talk) 14:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Bad Image

message: *Sometimes the disputations in the English wikipedia confuse me a lot. There's no need to prove it. Because Döner Kebab has been eaten in the Turkey (and Armenia) for too many years. (Maybe a few centuries) But the breed that is being produced in Germany; made by Turkish (and Armenian) cooks; that had gone to work there a few decades ago. This is true that Döner Kebab is eaten in European countries, but that is not the justification of what cuisine is this come from. Thanks. --♪♫Berkay0652|message 17:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think what he wants to say is that we, in Turkey all know that Döner is super popular in Germany et al. and it changed like crazy over the years, even to become completely another dish (I think by now, it only has10% in common with the one in Turkey), which the Germans can maybe claim as their own, but for this (and we have trouble understanding that) they need at least to "change" the name... That is my two pennies of opinion :)
--85.99.4.227 (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Ok, I got my account! :)) I need to build a nice userpage now :))
--Emir Ali Enç (talk) 10:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  A German food? 

message: The traditional method of preparation (no minced meat, marination before grilling) and serving (as a main course with sliced pita, pilaf (of bulgur or rice), and melted butter) is most accepted at restaurants. Another way of serving at restaurants is named pilav üstü döner, with slices of döner placed on a bed of rice pilaf and usually garnished with tomatoes, onions, green peppers, etc. However, the prevailing variant sold as fast-food is   known as döner sandviç or ekmek arası, a sandwich prepared with döner, a half a loaf of bread (not pita) and a salad (with tomatoes, onions, lettuce, and pickles) but no dressing. Dürüm is also another Turkish döner type which means to wrap in something, in this case a 'thinner bread' like lavash.
Dürüm<BR>
A dürüm (Turkish for "roll") is the wrap used to wrap a döner kebab. It is a lavash bread.
No I guess we can remove that, it's a repetition of what's above...
Anyways, congrats again on the merge!!
(Let me work on the references, also)
--85.99.32.81 (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Turkey

message: ::Döner Kebab (the original) is of course not German, but it seems like the Döner sandwich-style variation where meat and salad is stuffed into a flat bread (and that is the only Döner variant what Germans know as Döner) was invented in Germany in the 1960s or 1970s by Turkish immigrants in Germany and it was availble in most western german cities in 1980 and in most german small towns in 1990- so if that claim that the Sandwich-style Döner was inveted by Turkish immigrants in Germany than you can call that Döner variant Turkish-German food (while Döner in general in of cause Turkish)
talkaboutdöner13:39, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: About Döner in Germany

message: There's already an article about it, and it's not related to the doner kebab.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacos
Tacos are meat (or vegetables) served on corn (maize) tortillas (flat bread), traditionally.  The tortilla is pre-Columbian.  The meat may be spit-roasted more or less exactly like the doner kebab, but may also be fried, steamed, or grilled.  At least this is the case in the United States.  What makes it a taco is the tortilla enfolding the contents, not the meat.
Also in the US, in Los Angeles at least, you can get shawarma and gyros, and they are distinct from each other.  You can get them at the same restaurant, sometimes, and they are separate items on the menu.  I believe there's a doner kebab shop in Eagle Rock called Spitz.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.84.123.27 (talk) 12:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider removing tacos 

message: Tacos Al Pastor are a very specific type of tacos, prepared in a very specific way (with only pork) and is even served at a specific type of day in Mexico and in most cases the process is prepared by a specialist called a "Taquero". While I think there is a historical relationship between Doners/Gyros and tacos al pastor, the only common thing they have is that they are prepared on a vertical cooking spit. However, the cooking tool, is hardly the only distinguishing factor. That's almost akin to say pizzas and cakes should be discussed on the same page because they are baked in ovens. For those reasons I think Tacos Al Pastor deserves their own article and "Tacos Al Pastor" should be referenced to this page.
Anyone looking for what are Tacos Al Pastor are looking for specifics and would not necessarily be interested in a generic discussion about Gyros or even Tacos for that matter. Unfortunately I don't have the Wikipedia experience to take that task on but I am willing to help were I can.
I am collecting support for it's own page here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taco#Tacos_Al_Pastor_needs_it.27s_own_page
--Eglue (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consider creating a separate page for "Tacos Al Pastor" 

message: Zlerman, by the way, are you sure the names in Turkish of the different Dürüms should be decapitalized? Some of them, like "Tombik" (Fatty) can be considered a proper noun like "Camembert" would. Or maybe it is incorrect? You gotta help me there! --Emir Ali Enç (talk) 23:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Food items are normally not capitalized in English unless they are associated with the name of a person, the name of a place, a brand name, etc. Durum is just a flat bread. --Zlerman (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Durum? I thought it was a cultivar of wheat. --176.239.70.226 (talk) 16:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Durum doner 

message: The article claims that the relationship between the kebab and tacos al pastor is unknown. However, the article on Shawarma explains the introduction of the rotating grill, or trompo by Lebanese inmigrants in 1920's to Mexican cousine. Altfuns (talk) 02:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Kebab in Mexico

message: This article re-needs a revamp. It has been vandalized oh too many times. I'll do it this week on.
--78.179.195.231 (talk) 05:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Revamp

message: Doner kebab →  — The original Turkish name is "döner kebab" with an umlaut over the o. So is the case with the name in Germany and Finland, where the dish is also very popular. Just because native English speakers cannot understand the letter "ö" is no reason to have this article under a false name. That's what redirects are for.  JIP | Talk 19:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 

message: The reference http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/TechandScience/Story/STIStory_507973.html is offline/the page is not avaliable. --Onegin (talk) 17:39, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page offline 

message: I changed the sentence in the part about Döner Kebab in Switzerland from "mit oder ohni mit scharf" to "mit oder mit ohni scharf", because they never say the first one. And it's grammatically more correct then the other one, which does fully make no sense.(188.63.100.80 (talk) 15:00, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vendors in Switzerland 

message: I see there's consensus above not to merge, but both this article and shawarma suggest, in places, that they are the same thing. --Chriswaterguy talk 11:48, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ambiguity about shawarma 

message: I search "Gyros", am redirected to "Doner kebab", and see nothing but Turkish glory. Anyone else see what I'm getting at?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.99.168 (talk) 06:07, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: It is the glory of the Ottoman Empire. We taught many Turkish dishes to the other peoples of the Empire and learned a few from them; like "Çerkez tavuğu" for example. You have your gyro article, enjoy it.. --E4024 (talk) 10:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Look for gyro (food) article. It is easy to reach also from the "gyro" disambiguation page. --E4024 (talk) 22:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Separate article for gyros 

message: Could a more experienced user add a "hidden note" to inform our enthusiastic users not to add "shawarma" and "gyro" info here, as those varieties have their own articles. Thank you in advance. --E4024 (talk) 12:02, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help request 

message: :Please see previous discussions. There is no basis for taking out this information. ComhairleContaeThirnanOg (talk) 21:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if I understand correctly: I am taking out "shawarma" sections to "shawarma" article. For example in many Latin American countries there are Arab populations who continue to serve this food. Colombia, Costa Rica, Paraguay etc they all know "shawarma" and have not heard of "döner". As we have a "shawarma" article it is most normal to have that info in that article. Best regards. --E4024 (talk) 22:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Saw your edit and reverted it. Sorry. The current edit also says "similar". If they were the same there would not be two (or three) different names. I have eaten all those things and read on them. If they are all the same, they should "merge" in this article, the most common name. They don't and it is better this way; let us respect local cultures. You cannot oblige a perso to eat pork if s/he wants beef or lamb or vice versa. Thanks for understanding. --E4024 (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: (I changed the section title because the above section is still waiting for a respose.) Now, please look at this: Shawarma is eaten with tabbouleh, fattoush, taboon bread, tomato, and cucumber. Toppings include tahini, hummus, pickled turnips and amba." I took the above from the "shawarma" article (this part also edited by you). If I show this to a Turk who is not from the Hatay province at the Syrian border, s/he would not know none of those words in brackets, except maybe "hummus" which has become more known in other parts of Turkey since the 80s (but has not yet entered into a döner dürüm). Tabbouleh, fattush etc are not only foreign words to us, but we, generally, do not know these dishes. Other than the difference of the meat and its preparation, the service and acompanying side dishes are totally different from "döner". I have eaten shawarma plates with fries (which is quite rare in Turkey) and pickled turnips in Beirut (and loved it!) but in Turkey -leave aside eating them with döner- we do not even make turnip pickles!.. It is a different culture... --E4024 (talk) 22:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shawarma issue 

message: This article has, since quite a time been moving backwards, instead of forward. Now what do we do? We have on our hands a failed marriage with Gyros and Shawarma followed by a bitter divorce. I always have been supportive of the merge, as their origin is the same. One is a burger from BK the other is a burger from Quick (a belgian franchise, boasting the  überdelicious Quick'n Toast, at the end they are both burgers.
The main picture, I am not even mentioning how big of a disgrace it is.
Now I looked in history to a point where the article, with its general shape and all looked like something, while giing facts in a clear manner. You are free to transport from "newer" versions references and so. It has been two maybe three years now that I have not logged in. So my waking back as a wikipedian will sure take some time.
Cheers to all,
Emir Ali Enç
--88.253.96.234 (talk) 13:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Revamp

message: There seem to be conflicting claims about who invented the Doner kebab:-
*The Daily Telegraph says it was Mahmut Aygun whio died in January 2009 
*The BBC says it was Kadir Nurman who died on 26 October 2013 
Are there any other claims? Or any additional references to support one of these claims? - Arjayay (talk) 15:44, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: None of them invented anything really: Both Döner and Pide (flat bread) have been eaten, and together, in Turkey for centuries. Did Columbus discover America or was it always there but the Europeans were not aware... --80.123.196.102 (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who was the inventor? 

message: we are eating tourists, because we are not in Europe :)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.127.162.154 (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Here in Slovakia 

message: Döner is ONLY Döner, if made from meat *pieces*! Minced, or worse, even ground meat does NEVER belong in there! Ever!
In Germany it’s illegal to even call it “Döner Kebab” in those cases. (They then call it „Drehspieß nach Döner-Art“ [„Döner-style rotary spit“] or something like that.)
PLEASE don’t put photos of that fake shit in this article! There’s already enough people getting ripped off with that disgusting cheap fake shit!
— 87.78.164.187 (talk) 09:00, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos of disgusting minced/ground meat presented as Döner Kebab. → NO. NO. NO! 

message: Most restaurants don't use lamb because chicken is cheaper, not because of German eating habits. I know one restaurant where you can get a lamb döner, but it's a mix of lamb and chicken. A pure lamb döner wouldn't be very beneficial. --2.245.79.34 (talk) 21:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany 

message: Not all places have the sweet sauce, I personally hate it. The other kind I've had is more like tzatziki, a lot more garlic.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.252.134.230 (talk) 15:25, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canadian 

message: The word "horizontal" under one of the images is misleading/confusing, since the photo shows a spit on it's side which makes the direction vertical on the photo. The word can easily be omitted from the sentence.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalgard (talk • contribs) 18:42, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing word "horizontal" 

message: As someone is questioning the obvious: if one takes a look at new produced Doner, it's really obvious. And btw: reverting with 'since no explanation was given' comment seems a little hypocritical, if the same user has had changed the article without equally giving no explanation. @ Owen214: where did you get this 'cylindrical shape' from? Maybe you can provide some sources? --Markscheider (talk) 05:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shape 

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message: In the U.K., Australia, and elsewhere, the word for Döner Kebap is "Kebab". So reading at the top of the article, "not to be confused with Kebab", is confusing.
IamNotU (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed - placed in main text and clarified. Johnbod (talk) 18:06, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. I worked on it a little more, and also (a lot) more on the kebab page. Hopefully it's clear! IamNotU (talk) 04:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not to be confused with kebab" is confusing. 

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message: I removed the Taxi Driver reference, "A sign for döner kebab is briefly seen in the first few minutes of Martin Scorsese's Taxi Driver, indicating that it was already present in New York by 1976", as being original research. Unfortunately, a fictional film isn't a reliable source for the stated conclusion.
I looked at the shot in the film, and it appears to be of "Syntagma Square", a Greek restaurant near Times Square at the time. On the awning above the sign, you can see the words "souvlaki" and "gyros". The fact that gyros was being sold in New York is verified by the New York Times reference in the History section. That reference does also mention "doner kebab", but it's not clear if it was being sold under that name by Greeks in New York. While it's possible, it's also entirely possible that the filmmakers put the sign there as set dressing, not an unusual practice for a big budget Hollywood film. We can't know for sure. The shot looks "documentary" style, but it's almost certainly staged, and the people in it are "extras", actors. It would be interesting to know if "gyros" and "doner kebab" were used interchangeably by the same Greek restaurant, but I think we'd need an authentic photograph or other reliable source, to verify. --IamNotU (talk) 02:46, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taxi Driver reference 

message: See WP:RFP#Doner kebab.
Just plain Bill (talk) 16:37, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFP 

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message: I think that only lamb, veal, or chicken are the only meats used in kebabs.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreakyBoy (talk • contribs) 15:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  I don't think beef is used in doner kebabs 

message: Change salad to lettuce, throughout article. 136.49.42.170 (talk) 15:05, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. programmingGeek(talk, contribs) 16:12, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 December 2018 

message: These are common items at many non-chain Mexican restaurants throughout the US, although I'm not sure how to cite this outside of restaurant menus, which would feel too much like advertising (and don't include a large enough sample size to be meaningful regardless).  I know that I can get them at nearly every "mom & pop" style Mexican restaurant I've been to in the Northern US, anyway, but that's not sufficient to make a statement here.    Does anyone have thoughts on what would constitute a good reference for this? A Shortfall Of Gravitas (talk) 16:25, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: , if you look in the al pastor article (which is linked from the paragraph on Mexico in this article), there's a reference there that mentions the US. It's a start anyway, shouldn't be that hard to find more or better ones, for example just Google "al pastor" and choose the "News" link, that should give you some reliable secondary source newspaper articles. Good luck! --IamNotU (talk) 20:31, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tacos al Pastor as a form of Doner Kebab in the US 

message: I moved from Montreal to suburban Ottawa South in 1990, and donair was already a thing here (e.g. David's Pizza). Indeed, it would be several more decades until I learned it originally came from my father's home province od Nova Scotia. Maybe "TGAM" is not the reliable source purported by other editors... 76.69.87.57 (talk) 19:36, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Canada: Availability 

message: and Mexican al pastor devired from this.[2][3][4]
change devired to derived 2A02:8109:1EBF:8FE4:DB9:1A6F:4AE7:E3D (talk) 08:59, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: . Thanks for catching that. Station1 (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
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