Talk:Daniel Schultz

message: G.D. Scultz (known to the internet as Daniel Schultz) is NOT a famous painter.  I find him in NONE of my reference books in my office - I am a professional art historian who specializes in another period.  Therefore the 17th century artists included in reference books in my office tend to be the actually famous.  He is, by this simple test, a 'minor painter'.  There are many, many minor baroque painters whose names are known.  VERY few of them belong on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelTinkler (talk • contribs)   11:32, 9 April 2002
:Well, maybe you should have searched for "Schultz". -- Matthead  Discuß   10:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A famous painter? 

message: * Schultz was born in Gdansk/Danzig, a city with a huge influx of Germans, especially at the "Upper class". (I presume a baroque painter is rather a member of a wealthy family)
* "Schultz" is not what I would call a typical Polish name.
* Poland at that time was a multi - national kingdom, so not everybody born as a subject of the Polish King is Polish.
* it´s not necessary to classify him as Polish, it´s quiet obvious that he worked at Warsaw for the Polish King.
* Nationality wasn´t a criteria in the 17th century as it is understood today, so we shouldn´t decide about it with our modern comprehension.(217.184.130.184 (talk) 10:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nationality 

message: You are right, that he was not Polish. He was not born in Poland either but he did paintings for the Swedish (and Lithuanian) Wasa king(s), also kings of Poland (). Probably around 1615 Schultz was born in the Hanse city state of Danzig. Danzig is listed in the imperial cities  (Liber Civitates Imperiales  list: Dantiscum=Gedanum, Borussia = Danzig, Prussia [*. To become a member of this Hanseatic city state of Danzig one had to be a German language speaker. (Since 1945 Soviet conquest until now it is Gdańsk, Poland).  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.201.57 (talk) 23:49, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Schultz at Danzig , Borussia=Prussia 

message: As mentioned already on this page, Schultz was not born in Poland; he was born in Danzig (which has to be written as "Danzig (Gdańsk)"), but not in Poland. If a country needs to be mentioned —and I don't think id does— then it is the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth; adding this would confuse most readers and add nothing to the understanding of the painter.
I suggest that the word Polish be removed from the article's lead section. Regards, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See :Category:People from Gdańsk, List of people living or working in Gdańsk, List of people from Danzig, most bios listed there are affected by the same neverending edit wars. The Danzig/Gdansk vote double naming was introduced to point out that the city shares German/Polish history, yet some editors are not satisfied with it, alsways trying to add a country, or some other nationalistic claim. I do reject such editwarring on a city's controversial history in biographies. -- Matthead  Discuß   10:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no problem with the Danzig/Gdańsk rule; I only think it's incorrect to refer to the city in Schultz's day as Polish — that's all. Thanks for your understanding. Regards, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:09, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In biographies, it should only be referred to as "Danzig (Gdańsk)" (resp. "Gdańsk (Danzig)"), yet some use biographies as surrogate battlefield for edit wars about the city. -- Matthead  Discuß   08:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did notice the behaviour you describe, but I'm not interested to pursue this. History: I came to this article because I added minimal details to each entry on the Schultz page, which until then was not much more than a naked list of names. When I checked out Daniel Schultz, I noticed some minor —but to me glaring— oddities which I fixed. I have since learned about the Danzig/Gdańsk rule, but I still can't understand why this article needs to mention Poland — it seems anachronistic and wrong to me. I have also learned that this very same discussion occurred on other similar biographies, e.g. Jeremias Falck. As for Space_Cadet's cause célèbre: I'm going to apply Hanlon's razor and leave. Regards, -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Schultz was not born in Poland