Talk:Candidate of Sciences

message: By "accredited institutions outside of Academia" I meant "otraslevye NII". I find it stricken out. I thought it's notable. Any reason of removal? 
IMO one could only defend under the patronage of: 
#Educational Instituion (University, Institute)
#any Institute of the Academy of Sciences
#"otraslevoy NII" such as NII under "MinSredMash", "MinStroy", etc. 
If it could be said better, please do. But we should say it in some way, I think. --Irpen 19:25, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Outside of Academia

message: The following lines were removed from the article: 
:A little Comment from a Master of Arts(from FSU): the fact is that a Candidate of Science Degree is not equal to Ph.D. at all the degree which is equal is a Doctor of Science Degeree the Soviet Propagada always said that "Candidate of Science = Ph.D and Ph.D is not a true Doctor Degree" just in order to say "our Doctors are smarter" and unfortunetlly conisderable amount of people in fromer Soviet Union (FSU) Countries still believe that Ph.D. is not a true Doctoral Degree :( whoever the major difference between MSc and Candidate of Science is necessity of a Candidate Dissertation as far as I know the Soviet (as well as Tsar's Russian) educational system was made on the base of midevial German so a person graduated from a high school did not have any degree like a bachelor (the system also did not have division of schools to primary and secondary)this graduated person may continue to study in order to get a Candidate Degree
...as these claims are very disputable and doubtful. --V1adis1av 16:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is an international group that decides what is equal to what when people accredited in one sphere try to move to another realm. This "roughly" should not exist. I knew of a situation in an American university where a degree (probably this one from the old Soviet Union) was challenged. An international referee who decides these things said it was not equivalent to a doctorate and the person was demoted! I think we need more than an encyclopedia from the old Soviet Union as a reference for this. I don't believe it! Student7 (talk) 23:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sentence with "roughly" is not from the GSE. What makes you think it is from there? How could GSE write on "post-Soviet states"? Hence, feel free to add  tag there. In case you don't believe, that in Soviet time Ph.D. was equal to Candidate of Science degree, I've added English reference in addition to GSE reference.86.100.231.115 (talk) 01:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed material

message: I don't think, the part "Plagiarism" is necessary in this article and it is insulting for the Russian and Soviet Science. Plagiarism is possible, of course, as everywhere. But everyone can appeal to the VAK and ask them cancel the kandidat status of plagiator. And there were precedents of it.
"Closed defence" - is a normal common procedure for technical scients. If we did not have closed dissertations everyone was able to find the draft of the nuclear bomb  in the hall of Russian State Library :))) . 
The defence of my kandidat dissertation is planned in this Autumn, so i have idea about all this things. 
That is why I consider, the part "Plagiarism" should be deleted --D'Arahchjan 12:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In case you didn't notice, I deleted the whole section until clarification, because myself I don't want to waste time on digging to prove this. On a personal note, your naivety is not surprizing. There are still people who refuse to believe in Stalin's purges (quite "Hollywood-style" in many cases).  `'mikka 17:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plagiarism

message: :In Soviet era there were two forms of presentation: "open defense" and "closed defense". "Open" means that the general public is admitted to the session. "Closed" means nobody is admitted but the immediate participants. The latter is performed when the topic is declared to be a matter of national security. It is widely recognized that "closed" dissertations were often below real scientific merits and arranged for Soviet apparatchiks that were to hold an office that by statute required a scientific degree. The most featured of such cases is the recent accusation in plagiarism against current President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. According to The Washington Times, large portions of Mr. Putin's Kandidat Nauk dissertation in Economics were taken 'nearly verbatim' from other sources. However the American researchers who initially discovered plagiarism in Mr. Putin's dissertation suggested that this fact should be viewed in the context of Soviet bureaucracy, where an advanced degree was often necessary for career promotion.
The topic belongs to Higher Attestation Commission or other, because it concerns not only cnadidats. Arahchjan, please provide the proper text basing on the Russian source you quoted here.  `'mikka 23:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed section

message: There seems to be a lot of retention of Russian terms for names. "Aspirantura," for example. This is not exotic. Candidates could be termed "aspirants" in English as well, but seldom are. I think mostly, Russian should be dropped unless there is no exact translation. Student7 (talk) 01:38, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Russian

message: Again, non-english terms and alphabets should be dropped from this exposition. This is not a training session for Russian nor Cyrillic! Okay for etymology of Kandidat nauk, but that's pretty much it. 
As an example, go to the Russian/Cyrillc Wikipedia of some landmark in the US or UK. If you find lots of Roman alphabet or English there, please throw them out!   :) Student7 (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: You right, I've removed Russian titles, but common abbreviations using in documentation (such as "к. т. н.", "к. и. н.") have been left by me. They might be useful. — Al3xil ✉ 14:57, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyrillic

message: An entry says that a printed page for submission is about 40,000 characters. Something must be lost in translation here. 40,000 characters/bytes? This seems way too many. I am obviously misunderstanding. Can someone explain? Student7 (talk) 20:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe, it's OK. The so-called "printed page" or, in more precise transcription, "printed sheet" is a conventional unit. It is much larger than a real page or sheet. --D.M. from Ukraine (talk) 20:56, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: 40,000 characters?

message: This article needs to be resourced. E.g., link 4 is broken and link 3 says nothing about New Zealand. Indeed, statement about NZ is actually false, as can be seen here. --Oop (talk) 11:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources

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