Talk:Nimrod Expedition

message: ===Minutes===
Minutes are better written with the prime character, ′, in HTML ′ (and seconds with the double prime character, ″, in HTML ″). Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed all the examples that I noticed. Morenoodles (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

text: No reason really, except that titles stick more in some cases than others (Captain Cook, Marshall Foch, Colonel Gadafy might be other examples). If it offends, it can be changed.Brianboulton (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

text: No offense, just seems odd to me. Morenoodles (talk) 08:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

text: Got it. Morenoodles (talk) 11:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS Still problematic: see the separate section below. Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

text: They are ponies from Manchuria. I have restored this link, because I think it is helpful. Not everyone knows where Manchuria is, and at least through the link they will get an idea where these ponies came from. Brianboulton (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, please, "Manchurian ponies" is misleading. I've changed it to "Manchurian ponies", which will still help those who don't know what or where Manchuria is or was, and which isn't misleading. Perhaps I'm wrong about Manchurian ponies, and Shackleton bought them fresh from, or even in, Manchuria. But we're still not told what they are. They're mentioned in Hestesletten and Robert Falcon Scott, but Wikipedia nowhere seems to explain what they are. Morenoodles (talk) 08:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Good article, but....

message: Minutes are better written with the prime character, ′, in HTML ′ (and seconds with the double prime character, ″, in HTML ″). Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed all the examples that I noticed. Morenoodles (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Minutes

message: Why is Scott repeatedly referred to as "Captain Scotch", and not (perhaps after a token single use of "Captain") as plain "Scott"? Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason really, except that titles stick more in some cases than others (Captain Cook, Marshall Foch, Colonel Gadafy might be other examples). If it offends, it can be changed.Brianboulton (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

text: No offense, just seems odd to me. Morenoodles (talk) 08:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cap'n

message: Why the use (even once) of "geographical miles"? Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Got it. Morenoodles (talk) 11:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: PS Still problematic: see the separate section below. Morenoodles (talk) 08:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Geographical miles

message: "Manchurian ponies" was so linked, which I didn't think was helpful at all. Sorry about the new redlink, but I don't know what "Manchurian ponies" are. Morenoodles (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: They are ponies from Manchuria. I have restored this link, because I think it is helpful. Not everyone knows where Manchuria is, and at least through the link they will get an idea where these ponies came from. Brianboulton (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, please, "Manchurian ponies" is misleading. I've changed it to "Manchurian ponies", which will still help those who don't know what or where Manchuria is or was, and which isn't misleading. Perhaps I'm wrong about Manchurian ponies, and Shackleton bought them fresh from, or even in, Manchuria. But we're still not told what they are. They're mentioned in Hestesletten and Robert Falcon Scott, but Wikipedia nowhere seems to explain what they are. Morenoodles (talk) 08:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Manchurian ponies

message: Sled dogs are referred to as "sledge dogs" in the first paragraph.
Classicalactionhero (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sled Dogs

message: We read: Ponies had, however, been used by Frederick Jackson during the Jackson-Harmsworth Arctic expedition of 1894–97. Despite Jackson's less than effusive report of their prowess, Shackleton was impressed enough to take 15, later scaled down to 10.
I'd like to read a bit more about that "less than effusive report" and the various influences on Shackleton. Hazy memory of what I once read tells me that Nansen and other open-minded Scandinavians knew full well that horses were quite unsuitable for the Arctic, that nobody had any reason to think Antarctic conditions would be less harsh, that Shackleton was acquainted with the Scandinavians and their ideas, and that some odd fixation with horses was endemic among the British. Perhaps I can check on this later. Morenoodles (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Nansen discussed with Jackson the use of horses in the Antarctic, and advised strongly against it. Jackson experimented with horses in Franz Josef Land, with fairly dismal results - all the horses died. Despite this, he perversely reported that the horses had proved an "unqualified success". The British polar explorers of the day were pretty useless with dogs, and tended to grasp at any alternative that came along - horses, motor traction, or man-hauling. I have altered "less than effusive" to "contradictory", and have added a reference: Huntford (Shackleton biog.) pp. 171-72. This covers Nansen's remarks and Jackson's report.Brianboulton (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, that's close to what I remember. But wasn't it even worse -- hadn't Shackleton also discussed his plans (presumably including the ponies) with an incredulous Nansen before he set off? Morenoodles (talk) 07:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ponies (Manchurian or otherwise)

message: within 100 geographical miles (116 statute miles, 187 km) of the Pole
It seems the kilometer figure has fallen victim to double conversion and rounding. According geographical mile article one geographical mile is 1,855.3 meters, hence 100 geographical miles would be 185.53 km, rounded up to 186 km. It seems the 100 geographical miles figure has been converted to statute miles, 115.28 mi, rounded up to 116 mi, that converted to kilometers, 186.68 km, and then rounded up a second time to 187 km. 130.234.5.136 (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Geographical mile to kilometer conversion

message: Shouldn't the original Nimrod be mentioned?  Smallbones (talk) 01:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why? He doesn't have much relevance to the subject. Brutannica (talk) 19:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Nimrod]] 

message: Beware.  The last link on this page is to a PIF file that deletes all files under C:\Windows\System32  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.171.97 (talk) 14:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: An unsigned, unsubstantiated claim like this should not have been used as a pretext to remove the link.  If the claim were true, it seems to me that the site would have been blacklisted, and if it hadn't been, it should be.  I don't know how that works; I just know that sometimes an edit to an article cannot be saved because some external link is on that blacklist.  Gene Nygaard (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Beware embedded virus]] 

message: I'm having a bit of trouble understanding this conflict. How did Scott have "priority rights" to McMurdo Sound? Why was it wrong for Shackleton to land there? Brutannica (talk) 19:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Scott claimed priority rights to the McMurdo Sound area, because he had opened this area up and established a base there during the Discovery expedition 1902–04. Scott's position was unreasonable; there is no precedent whereby explorers establish exclusive rights to territories and facilities, and Shackleton would have been justified in telling Scott to go take a running jump. But Scott was the darling of the British geographical establishment, whose support Shackleton needed; furthemore Scott, as Shackleton's old commander, could and did play the loyalty card, which counted for a lot in Edwardian England. So Shackleton submitted to Scott's "claim", to his later regret. Most modern historians would agree with Beau Riffenburgh's comment that the undertaking (to avoid McMurdo Sound) should never have been demanded, and should certainly never have been given. Brianboulton (talk) 23:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Scott-Shackleton conflict

message: David, Mawson and Mackay reached the antartic magnetic pole already on 16 January 1909 (see Ernest Shackleton, The Heart of the Antartic, William Heinemann 1910, pp. 309-311). 129.70.140.74 (talk) 15:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Chapter ''Northern Party''

message: The place is the Antarctic - you are missing a letter "C" and a Capital "A"The Geologist (talk) 16:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
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message: My last edit in the transport arrangements sentence in the lead rectified the false claim that Scott copied Shackleton's transport arrangements.(https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nimrod_Expedition&diff=571727293&oldid=569687621)
Just take a brief look at C.G.'s comments in "The worst Journey of the World" (Introduction, p.lxii)  and you will realize:
"Scott's voyage of the Discovery gives a vivid picture of ... improvements of every kind. Shackleton applied the knowledge they gained in his first expedition, Scott in this, his second and last"--Sallysods (talk) 02:35, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: This is almost certainly a sockpuppet of  who has been indefinitely blocked for his edits to the Scott article and its talk page. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 02:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  False claim that Scott copied Shackleton's transport arrangements 

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message: This line is suspect: There was also a Monkey named Bouncy onboard the expedition which nobody knew about until 2014, when a recount of crew members onboard was discovered.  The reference link is unrelated.  Nothing appears to corroborate on the internet. darklilac (talk) 02:13, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bouncy