Talk:Musical: The Prince of Tennis

message: This page needs work but it does not need deletion. The Prince of Tennis Musicals helped to launch the careers of many Japanese actors and singers. Also it seems to me to be the only place that gives a detail list just of who has been involved in the Musicals over the years and a starting source for those that may be interested but however do not speak Japanese as all official sites will be in that language.--MissEzri (talk) 12:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keep This Page! 

message: Why are the 4th and 5th generation casts featured for this musical?  Plus, is Aiba actually coming back with this next cast? Jedi Striker, 11 October 2008, 20:32 (UTC)
The recent musicals (Imperial Presence Hyotei and Treasure Match Shitenhouji) have both been double-cast, because they had a much larger number of shows than one cast could manage. Aiba did come back for a few of the shows, like Kato Kazuki and Saito Takumi did. --Adevish (talk) 08:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  National Match against Hyoutei 

message: Per discussion on AfD, this article lacks anything on the reception, critical analysis or reviews of the show. This is the sort of WP:SECONDARY-sourced content that is meant to demonstrate a topic's notability. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 14:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reviews 

message: Can be returned to article if sources (preferably third party) can be found. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence is your opinion, unless you can find a source that said that(either a reviewer, or the show themselves can say that somewhere). "Through watching the musicals, one discovers that one of the productions main characteristics is the existence of these graduation shows (a name due to the school setting of the musicals)."  The rest isn't original research, just mentioning when someone left the show and for what reason.  You can add some references to where this was mentioned at though.  Dream Focus 08:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (i) On "the rest", I would suspect that there would be quite a bit of WP:Synthesis here -- both in terms of the "didn't graduates" & in making inferences. (ii) Unless third party sources have commented on the 'Graduation System', it would probably be inappropriate (and WP:UNDUE) to add further primary-sourced information on the subject (given the already excessive preponderance of such material in this article). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * No WP:Synthesis in here for as far as I can see. These are just facts (and facts aren't forbidden) All of this is reported in official news about the musical, but as a lot of those news articles were released about 4-7 years ago in articles that aren't available online. Even though I did read them and remembered the information, I didn't write down all sources. Yeah, and for some claims I was still looking for sources, but I didn't really get time, as the information was already removed... my motivation to fix this page is dropping down more and more, as people keep complaining about things they don't have any knowledge about!--Epeir Riku (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree.  If someone has a problem with the information being valid, they should just put a citation needed tag on it, and give you time to find them.  Also if the person who nominated the article for deletion, and one of the few people in the AFD which said delete against an overwhelming keep vote, is the one now destroying parts of it, that does seem a bit inappropriate.  Find a source for one thing, hit undo next to their edits, or edit an older version and copy paste that over to the newest version.   Dream Focus 16:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you Dream Focus for that rather blatant violation of WP:AGF. It's always so wonderful to be the target of the hyperbolic accusations of reflexive partisans. It is your language that is "inappropriate". If Epeir Riku can find third party WP:RSs for this material, then they're welcome to restore it to the extent that the source supports the material (non-third party RS would be less welcome, but I wouldn't make an issue out of it). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * It's nice to know you do this with a good intention, but you aren't helping out at all. You are just telling what we are doing wrong, while you don't have any knowlewdge about the subject. It'll be really hard to talk things over, if you won't even understand what I am talking about. All I hear from you is "Too long", "Too much information", "No references", "No review"... that's really annoying since you don't seem to notice this is something from the Japanese culture. About every source about it is in Japanese. I might know the language, but I am not near fluent at all. It takes me hours and hours to read just a text of two pages. Besides that I need to study, need to write a thesis, prepare for all my courses and try to maintain some personal life as well. You can't expect me to rewrite a complete article to your wishes in just a few weeks. It'll take me about 6 months at least most likely, considering the amount of time I have available at the moment. And because of all the nitpicking from you side, I am actually the only people who still want to put an effort in fixing this page. (And well, most people also have their own things to deal with or don't know Japanese, so it'll be a lost case anyway) Could you please try to understand this side of the story too--Epeir Riku (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research removed from article 

message: 
By watching the musicals, one notices the musical production distinguishes between two kinds of performances:
#	plot/story musicals : these musicals follow the plot of the manga storyAki Kuramitsu, 2010, Myuujikaru "Tenisu no Oujisama" sen-kouen Playback, Good Come, vol. 14, pp 48-49
#	live concerts (so-called Dream Live’s):  these are alternative performances featuring previous songs and parody-skitsYumiko Maeshima, 2010, Dream Live Play Back On Six, Hero Vision, vol.36, pp 54-57
In addition to the three main types of performances, some musicals are classified as re-runs (a re-run of a previous musical. This only happened thrice, with the First musical, the Fudomine arc and the first Hyoutei arc.) and so-called “graduation shows” (see below).
==== Graduation System ====
Through watching the musicals, one discovers that one of the productions main characteristics is the existence of these graduation shows (a name due to the school setting of the musicals). This is the last show performed by the main cast (Seigaku cast), before the next cast takes over. This doesn’t mean though each and every member is forced to leave the show. Due to personal circumstances and contracts, an actor might stay longer or are asked to come back later in the production.※ Compared to normal shows, the graduation show leaves space for all graduating actors to give their final greetings to the audience, before they leave the production.These graduations shows are held about every 1.5 years (after 5 musicals). 
*※1: In Side Fudomine, Kotaro Yanagi didn’t graduate alongside the other first cast members, due to his involvement into an accident less than two weeks before the première of Remarkble Match Fudomine, that caused an early withdrawal out the musicals early. He returned later on and graduated together with the 2nd Seigaku cast.
*※2: Yuya Endo didn’t graduate together with the first cast members either, because he only joined the crew during Dream Live 1st. He graduated on his own during Dream Live 2nd.
*※3: Hiroki Aiba didn’t graduate alongside the 2nd cast, but stayed another term and graduated alongside the 3rd cast members during Absolute King Rikkaidai ~2nd Service.
*※4: Kousuke Kujirai returned in Advancement Match Rokkaku once more, as the actor originally casted for the role (Takahiro Tasaki) withdrew from the show.
*※5: Tomo Yanagishita didn’t graduate alongside the 3rd cast and the role of Kaidou was double casted .Tomo graduated on his own during Dream Live 5th.
*※6: Hiroki Aiba returned for the run of the Imperial Presence Hyoutei to play the role of Shusuke Fuji once more, as there they couldn’t find an actor to fill in the role for the 5th cast.
*※7: All first cast members returned for Dream Live 7th, to portray their characters once more, alongside the 5th cast members.
[End of removed WP:OR HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence is your opinion, unless you can find a source that said that(either a reviewer, or the show themselves can say that somewhere). "Through watching the musicals, one discovers that one of the productions main characteristics is the existence of these graduation shows (a name due to the school setting of the musicals)."  The rest isn't original research, just mentioning when someone left the show and for what reason.  You can add some references to where this was mentioned at though.  Dream Focus 08:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (i) On "the rest", I would suspect that there would be quite a bit of WP:Synthesis here -- both in terms of the "didn't graduates" & in making inferences. (ii) Unless third party sources have commented on the 'Graduation System', it would probably be inappropriate (and WP:UNDUE) to add further primary-sourced information on the subject (given the already excessive preponderance of such material in this article). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * No WP:Synthesis in here for as far as I can see. These are just facts (and facts aren't forbidden) All of this is reported in official news about the musical, but as a lot of those news articles were released about 4-7 years ago in articles that aren't available online. Even though I did read them and remembered the information, I didn't write down all sources. Yeah, and for some claims I was still looking for sources, but I didn't really get time, as the information was already removed... my motivation to fix this page is dropping down more and more, as people keep complaining about things they don't have any knowledge about!--Epeir Riku (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree.  If someone has a problem with the information being valid, they should just put a citation needed tag on it, and give you time to find them.  Also if the person who nominated the article for deletion, and one of the few people in the AFD which said delete against an overwhelming keep vote, is the one now destroying parts of it, that does seem a bit inappropriate.  Find a source for one thing, hit undo next to their edits, or edit an older version and copy paste that over to the newest version.   Dream Focus 16:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you Dream Focus for that rather blatant violation of WP:AGF. It's always so wonderful to be the target of the hyperbolic accusations of reflexive partisans. It is your language that is "inappropriate". If Epeir Riku can find third party WP:RSs for this material, then they're welcome to restore it to the extent that the source supports the material (non-third party RS would be less welcome, but I wouldn't make an issue out of it). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * It's nice to know you do this with a good intention, but you aren't helping out at all. You are just telling what we are doing wrong, while you don't have any knowlewdge about the subject. It'll be really hard to talk things over, if you won't even understand what I am talking about. All I hear from you is "Too long", "Too much information", "No references", "No review"... that's really annoying since you don't seem to notice this is something from the Japanese culture. About every source about it is in Japanese. I might know the language, but I am not near fluent at all. It takes me hours and hours to read just a text of two pages. Besides that I need to study, need to write a thesis, prepare for all my courses and try to maintain some personal life as well. You can't expect me to rewrite a complete article to your wishes in just a few weeks. It'll take me about 6 months at least most likely, considering the amount of time I have available at the moment. And because of all the nitpicking from you side, I am actually the only people who still want to put an effort in fixing this page. (And well, most people also have their own things to deal with or don't know Japanese, so it'll be a lost case anyway) Could you please try to understand this side of the story too--Epeir Riku (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Performances

message: Through watching the musicals, one discovers that one of the productions main characteristics is the existence of these graduation shows (a name due to the school setting of the musicals). This is the last show performed by the main cast (Seigaku cast), before the next cast takes over. This doesn’t mean though each and every member is forced to leave the show. Due to personal circumstances and contracts, an actor might stay longer or are asked to come back later in the production.※ Compared to normal shows, the graduation show leaves space for all graduating actors to give their final greetings to the audience, before they leave the production.These graduations shows are held about every 1.5 years (after 5 musicals). 
*※1: In Side Fudomine, Kotaro Yanagi didn’t graduate alongside the other first cast members, due to his involvement into an accident less than two weeks before the première of Remarkble Match Fudomine, that caused an early withdrawal out the musicals early. He returned later on and graduated together with the 2nd Seigaku cast.
*※2: Yuya Endo didn’t graduate together with the first cast members either, because he only joined the crew during Dream Live 1st. He graduated on his own during Dream Live 2nd.
*※3: Hiroki Aiba didn’t graduate alongside the 2nd cast, but stayed another term and graduated alongside the 3rd cast members during Absolute King Rikkaidai ~2nd Service.
*※4: Kousuke Kujirai returned in Advancement Match Rokkaku once more, as the actor originally casted for the role (Takahiro Tasaki) withdrew from the show.
*※5: Tomo Yanagishita didn’t graduate alongside the 3rd cast and the role of Kaidou was double casted .Tomo graduated on his own during Dream Live 5th.
*※6: Hiroki Aiba returned for the run of the Imperial Presence Hyoutei to play the role of Shusuke Fuji once more, as there they couldn’t find an actor to fill in the role for the 5th cast.
*※7: All first cast members returned for Dream Live 7th, to portray their characters once more, alongside the 5th cast members.
[End of removed WP:OR HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:56, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The first sentence is your opinion, unless you can find a source that said that(either a reviewer, or the show themselves can say that somewhere). "Through watching the musicals, one discovers that one of the productions main characteristics is the existence of these graduation shows (a name due to the school setting of the musicals)."  The rest isn't original research, just mentioning when someone left the show and for what reason.  You can add some references to where this was mentioned at though.  Dream Focus 08:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: (i) On "the rest", I would suspect that there would be quite a bit of WP:Synthesis here -- both in terms of the "didn't graduates" & in making inferences. (ii) Unless third party sources have commented on the 'Graduation System', it would probably be inappropriate (and WP:UNDUE) to add further primary-sourced information on the subject (given the already excessive preponderance of such material in this article). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * No WP:Synthesis in here for as far as I can see. These are just facts (and facts aren't forbidden) All of this is reported in official news about the musical, but as a lot of those news articles were released about 4-7 years ago in articles that aren't available online. Even though I did read them and remembered the information, I didn't write down all sources. Yeah, and for some claims I was still looking for sources, but I didn't really get time, as the information was already removed... my motivation to fix this page is dropping down more and more, as people keep complaining about things they don't have any knowledge about!--Epeir Riku (talk) 16:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree.  If someone has a problem with the information being valid, they should just put a citation needed tag on it, and give you time to find them.  Also if the person who nominated the article for deletion, and one of the few people in the AFD which said delete against an overwhelming keep vote, is the one now destroying parts of it, that does seem a bit inappropriate.  Find a source for one thing, hit undo next to their edits, or edit an older version and copy paste that over to the newest version.   Dream Focus 16:07, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: *Thank you Dream Focus for that rather blatant violation of WP:AGF. It's always so wonderful to be the target of the hyperbolic accusations of reflexive partisans. It is your language that is "inappropriate". If Epeir Riku can find third party WP:RSs for this material, then they're welcome to restore it to the extent that the source supports the material (non-third party RS would be less welcome, but I wouldn't make an issue out of it). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 16:27, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: * It's nice to know you do this with a good intention, but you aren't helping out at all. You are just telling what we are doing wrong, while you don't have any knowlewdge about the subject. It'll be really hard to talk things over, if you won't even understand what I am talking about. All I hear from you is "Too long", "Too much information", "No references", "No review"... that's really annoying since you don't seem to notice this is something from the Japanese culture. About every source about it is in Japanese. I might know the language, but I am not near fluent at all. It takes me hours and hours to read just a text of two pages. Besides that I need to study, need to write a thesis, prepare for all my courses and try to maintain some personal life as well. You can't expect me to rewrite a complete article to your wishes in just a few weeks. It'll take me about 6 months at least most likely, considering the amount of time I have available at the moment. And because of all the nitpicking from you side, I am actually the only people who still want to put an effort in fixing this page. (And well, most people also have their own things to deal with or don't know Japanese, so it'll be a lost case anyway) Could you please try to understand this side of the story too--Epeir Riku (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
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message: Why are the writers of a live stage musical credited as "screenplay"? Unless they're writers only of a film or video projection shown as part of the show (which does not seem to be the case when they're the only writers credited other than the the creator of the original comic), there must be some mistranslation. Writers of the words of a musical are generally credited either with "lyrics" (for the sung lyrics) or "book" (for spoken dialogue, dramatic structure and stage directions). See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_theatre#Book_musicals
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thread_title:  "Screenplay" for a stage performance?