Talk:Brother Jed

message: This articles layout has suddendly taken a turn for Livejournal.  I've removed most of the inline pictures inserted by User:Jesse Morrell:
*bro_jed.jpg
*Here is a picture of one of his books: jedbook.jpg
*pointing.jpg
*police.jpg
*prank.jpg
*Here is a picture of speakers circle at Mizzou University: picjed.jpg
What's more, they are badly named.  The only picture in the history of the Wikipedia called "police.jpg" is Brother Jed talking to a cop!? --Adamrush 16:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article and image cleanup

message: I'm shocked at the lack of any mention to any sort of controversy Brother Jed has caused in his preaching.  No mention of his rather frequent racist or sexist remarks?  I personally have seen him speak several times, and this article, at best, is incomplete, but frankly quite biased in ignoring the bigoted and inflamatory nature of Brother Jed's so called "confrontational" preaching. 24.161.183.72 20:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Aw come on, original research?  What about his classic explanation of sex using two electrical plugs (to demonstrate, naturally, how only the penis and vagina fit together, and that two penises don't.  Although that's not how gay people have sex...).  But seriously, what about catching him on camera?  Is that original research?Rglong 04:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Controversy

message: Has there ever been a published counterpoint to the report of Brother Ned teaching Pelagianism? This article seems to have little critical aspect.Brian0324 19:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pelagianism 

message: Brother Jed and Cindy were also on Sally.  Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 09:05, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk show

message: Brother Jed's offical website states that he is based in Columbia, Missouri. Grey Wanderer | Talk 20:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's been at FSU for the past several years. I have pictures to prove it. I realize that's OR, but Jed apparently hasn't updated his site recently (perhaps because he's been preaching at FSU for so long)⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 01:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Location of Ministry

message: I'm going to substantially edit this page, adding verifiable sources and removing biased point of view. I've created a page in my user space; feel free to contribute there. Also, leave any suggestions on my talk page. Thanks! JFlav 03:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revision

message: A much better procedure is to identify those statements requiring citations. Material essential to understanding the subject has been deleted, much of it not requiring citation on a common sense view..."Brother Jed draws from many experiences in his early life while preaching" for example. Restored; please be specific about what you want cited. DavidOaks (talk) 03:07, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I did that. None were forthcoming, so I deleted the material. HrafnTalkStalk 03:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I would also point out that citation-tagging is merely a courtesy, not a procedural necessity, so that even if I had failed to do this, you would have had no justification for restoring unsourced material. HrafnTalkStalk 04:44, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: No I didn't delete any citations. Further I did not "simply revert" as my piecemeal deletion of that material should indicate. You are flagrantly and repeatedly violating WP:V. PLEASE DESIST! HrafnTalkStalk 03:54, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: The fault is yours -- you restored the unsourced material without at the same time adding citations, in clear violation of WP:V. If legitimate re-removal of this material caused you an edit conflict, then you have nobody to blame but yourself.
HrafnTalkStalk 04:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks for the baseless whining. When I found it, the article only had a single citation. In such a situation there is no point in being "as specific as possible" -- virtually the whole damn article needed citation! I templated & tagged and got ignored. Nobody wanted to "improve" the article by adding citations until I started deleting this unsourced material. You don't like it? Well tough! It's generally the only practical way to cut through the enormous swathes of unsourced pseudo-information that infest large areas of wikipedia. It is fully sanctioned by policy. So I have no qualms about doing it, particularly when the protesters generally don't get off their arses until faced with deletion of their precious sacred cows. HrafnTalkStalk 15:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On reflection, you are absolutely right, and I apologize for impatience. Your tagging got the appropriate results. All the same, I think the  tag is in most cases more useful than the section tag, for a more specific guide to the particular items in need of cites. DavidOaks (talk) 18:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletions instead of citation-tags

message: Brother Jed claims to hold several degrees (including a graduate degree) in his autobiography; has anyone bothered to fact check this?
Also, has anyone bothered to check with Delta Upsilon Fraternity to see if he was ever actually a member? Mrbusta (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not the job of encyclopedists. Borock (talk) 20:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable Claims and Fact Checking

message: It might be good to have some mention of Smock's former side-kick, Max W. Lynch (25 September 1929 – 24 August 2000). —SlamDiego←T 11:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: A WP:RS for his involvement would be required first. HrafnTalkStalk 14:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right.  I could have inserted my own knowledge, but…. —SlamDiego←T 02:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Max Lynch 

message: All claims which are sourced to Smock's autobiography are now specified in the text as such. I believe this solves the problem of needing third-party sources and justifies removing the tag. What do others think? DavidOaks (talk) 21:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hearing no objections....DavidOaks (talk) 13:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Specific attribution is probably irrelevant for that template -- but as less than half the material is now sourced from his autobio, removal of the template now seems reasonable. I am however concerned at how much of the article is sourced to student newspapers (which tend to be a fairly low-prestige source, of perhaps less than perfect editorial oversight) -- but as there's no specific template or policy for this (short of somebody coming along and challenging their reliability one by one), I'll just leave it as a comment here. HrafnTalkStalk 15:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Third Party Citations

message: This is a response to the article that was posted in the mainspace, I deleted it in the mainspace and have copied it here. Thanks. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the page ref to the conference-proceedings in which an investigator reports failure to find Smock in the payroll records at the institution named. I deleted the claim about his master's thesis on smoking marijuana, as that claim was not to be found at the ref given. DavidOaks (talk) 22:52, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Response from subject of this article

message: We had: "They are members of the United Methodist Church. However their actions, views, and theology are not indicative of the Methodist Church."
I changed this to: "They are members of the United Methodist Church. However their actions, views, and theology are not indicative of that church."
The first version would imply to a reader not familiar with the United Methodist Church that Brother Jed's actions, views, and theology are indicative of the UMC, but not of the Methodist church movement more generally.  As it turns out, one of the interesting things about Brother Jed's membership is that he is decidedly at odds with the UMC on many issues.  The UMC is, in relative terms, a moderately liberal and quite mainstream Christian denomination.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:50, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've read, and heard from Brother Jed in person, I agree that your change does make the statement more accurate. Thanks for your contribution. BlueGold73 (talk) 14:04, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  United Methodist Church 

message: Is there a source that lists the conversions (if there have been any) that have come from Jed's evangelism? That should be included imho Superbuttons (talk) 21:39, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conversions?

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