Talk:International Marxist Tendency

message: The French group is no longer La Riposte, it is now Révolution. This can also be seen on 
IMT links page  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.227.118.11 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: La Riposte is no longer the French group

message: reference should be replacing [citation needed] in following sentence:
Labour leader Neil Kinnock described Militant as "a maggot within the body of the Labour Party".[citation needed]
the requested quote on Kinnock calling militant maggots can be found
 here  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:3E1C:DC00:7992:A2F6:1DD5:9885 (talk) 20:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The source provided doesnt attribute the quote to Neil Kinnock or anyone else, its not possible from this to attribute the claim to anyone. Amortias (T)(C) 20:14, 12 April 2015 (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m50rq6BgQg
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19851128&id=X8BAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1aUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3439,6365598&hl=en
http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1985/Labor-Party-Opens-Inquiry-Into-Militant-Liverpool-Branch/id-45ab97a54e8d5bc614c75d2b0042c147
https://books.google.be/books?id=RlmyF6ZXKzYC&pg=PT66&lpg=PT66&dq=Kinnock+calling+militant+maggots&source=bl&ots=JB9pYzKci0&sig=plejpQj6gdU6nwIEfMaDjAF53pw&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=oHQtVdSuCOu9ygOm1ICIAw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Kinnock%20calling%20militant%20maggots&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:3E1C:DC00:6511:7693:F59D:264C (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

text: Done Stickee (talk) 00:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: the requested quote

message: Is the move and renaming of this page quite correct. the CMI's usage is actually "international Marxist tendency": not the proper noun "International Marxist Tendency". That suggests that the CMI name is used for internal use only, as RSL was and CWI was for many years. --Duncan 11:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting point - my rename may be in error, but it'd be difficult to prove that they still call themselves the CMI.  The CMI name can be found on their website, but not in any articles written since 2004, since when they have been capitalising "International Marxist Tendency". Warofdreams talk 22:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The official name is now International Marxist Tendency in English (and Corriente Marxista Internacional in Spanish). You can ask them. :-) Sooner or later some official document will be issued stating the name change and we will be able to add the citation. --MauroVan 13:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think both names are in current usage, whatever the official one is. Trious 10:15, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Names

message: Re: today's cut. Really? What about the group around Yossi Scharwtz? I thought they have 20 people there? They certainly have a phone number there  --Duncan 23:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "they currently have no group in Israel" 

message: :de:Internationale Marxistische Tendenz has been deleted. If you want to have a look at the discussion, see: 
--redtux (talk) 19:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:de:Internationale Marxistische Tendenz]] 

message: I will just add Pat Reed and Lal Khan being other leading members of the IMT 76.68.153.215 (talk) 00:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: other leading members

message: I feel like the work of the CMR in Venezuela needed to have its own paragraph.
Also is anyone interested in making the article a bit better?
Can someone who is good at writing and knows the positions of the IMT in main topics please write some of the IMT positions down?
This article is very small compared to articles for other trotskyists internationals and i feel it can have more and better quality content. Thoughts? Trotskyistmaniac (talk) 18:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: venezuela

message: I am doing my part on improving this article, by adding some stuff about Pakistan,  also added a picture of the congress. 
Feel free to give me feedback for the recent edits. Trotskyistmaniac (talk) 22:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pakistan etc

message: This article has serious POV problems and reads like promotional material for the IMT. 174.138.198.182 (talk) 06:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What critical material actually has encyclopedic content?  The Fourth International (Post-Reunification) article has a couple of criticisms stemming from internal debate on the line taken by the International.  The Committee for a Workers' International and International Socialist Tendency articles don't have any specific critique built into them.  You could probably get factional back and forth about the IMT's position on a number of countries (Venezuela, Pakistan, Mexico, Israel/Palestine and Ireland) that are generally divisive questions in Trotskyism today.   I think you could make a go with well-sourced polemics - for instance, there's been a sort of long term polemical exchange over Venezuela between Alan Woods and the CWI's Tony Saunois - but a general "criticism" section is likely to amount to little more than sectarian caviling, which is really not NPOV. Cadriel (talk) 17:11, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  No criticisms? 

message: There is no reliable source to indicate that any more than a small minority of the Mexican section has joined the new CMR, and none will be forthcoming because indeed the vast majority of the Mexican comrades decided to stay with the IMT. Sickle and Hammer (talk) 21:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico 

message: The story of baning polish IMT website is not true. There was only one case of ban on a communist website - an ultraleft site was banned for praising stalinist war crimes.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.10.160.10 (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poland 

message: I was looking for some additional independent sources and found the following possibilities, , ,  which might be of use for the main article but lack of language skills (Spanish) and lack of time prevents me from processing. I hope it is appropriate to stick them here on the Talk page and if anyone finds they are of use - go ahead! Others I found which have been incorporated on the main page are:
* The Western Mail: I did wonders for the image of Wales in Latin America because I am now always referred to as 'the Welshman', Western Mail (Cardiff, Wales) - Tuesday, December 7, 2010, Author: ROBIN TURNER
* Daily Mail: The Welshman behind Chavez's throne, Daily Mail, The (London, England) - Monday, December 6, 2010, Author: Robin Yapp in Sao Paulo and Philip Sherwell in New York
--DartmoorDave (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adding Independent sources 

message: I've reverted the page move from  "In Defence of Marxism (website)" back to "International Marxist Tendency". The article is plainly about the international political tendency, not the website and would need to be entirely rewritten if the subject was the website.
It's another question whether the tendency is little more than its website in reality - there's little proof in the article about other activity - but the 2012 AfD decided the article was worth keeping. So be it. Sionk (talk) 20:47, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move reverted 

message: In the section 'National Sections' it is stated that the IMT's group in the Netherlands is among the biggest. This originated after the edit when the page "Vonk (Netherlands)" was merged into the page of the International Marxist Tendency. This is not based on anything. As a member of the group in the Netherlands, I can state the group is among the smallest sections. Please remove the sentence mentioning the group in the Netherlands. 
178.85.170.121 (talk) 11:51, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Partly done: I have left in the country, but removed that these are the biggest, as there's no source. -- Diannaa (talk) 01:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2014 

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message: Take it as a friendly comment: This page looks a bit too much like promotional IMT material + IMT trivia + a few anti-IMT smears by embittered opponents or splinter groups.
I guess we can improve on that and make it more informational on what this political group is actually about. Mv (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The previous comment was mine, actually. I always forget which is my English-language handle. MauroVan (talk) 15:05, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Improvement and more NPOV needed 

message: why has this article been renamed to a name that is not currently being used by the organisation.
The organisation is called the IMT at present and surely the name of the article should reflect that? 2A02:C7C:9B36:7D00:6129:FB9A:B0EF:B0C5 (talk) 09:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They have announced a name change and that is what the lede says. Wellington Bay (talk) 10:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: but they haven't changed their name yet! It seems incredibly premature to change it already 137.50.171.9 (talk) 11:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: They've announced the decision: "We are dispensing with our old banner, and will reforge a new Revolutionary Communist International (RCI)". Wellington Bay (talk) 11:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: I've put in a request to change the name back for the time being. Wellington Bay (talk) 12:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Revolutionary Communist International? 

message: Hi @Wellington Bay,
I've re-removed the controversy section. At present all but one source seem self-published and discusses the actions of other people (labeling them sectarian and suspicious amongst other things) so fall afoul of WP:ABOUTSELF on point 2 (and likely point 1 as a result given it's allegations about IMT conduct). The controversy itself, given that it seems only source-able in their own publications and one minor wordpress Marxist blog, seems non-notable so probably best to avoid unless reliable third-party sources are available to cover it. Rambling Rambler (talk) 22:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Controversies 

message: Recently, the IMT has announced that they will be changing their name to "Revolutionary Communists International."  sometime in June. They've already begun rebranding their websites, socials, etc.
When do we change the article's name to mirror this? Right now, it's currently in a weird spot of being both outdated and correct. Corbasm2 (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: June, when it becomes official. Wellington Bay (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: @Wellington Bay Alright. I call dibs. Corbasm2 (talk) 23:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

text: Should we then probably remove the table and instead just note that generally sections use the standardized naming scheme currently being unrolled (unless they don't for legal reasons)? Whether the name 'Party' or 'of /Organization' is chosen, seems to depend on self-perceived significance. Sladniebieskiego (talk) 07:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Most of them haven't changed their names - and removing the table would mean no list of which country has an IMT section. Most of the other pages on political internationals have tables so I don't see an issue with this one having one. I removed the column of websites though since that is not a standard feature of these articles and is basically promotional. Wellington Bay (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  When do we change the article name?