Talk:Tiki

message: The linked page on Aloha Hawaii.com is very poor quality - muddled information, but better than nothing??? Kahuroa 03:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: External link

message: Is there any reason why this Tiki should be about the carvings and not the "first man" usage? Is it that much more prevalent? And what's your objection to having a mention to both in one article? - DavidWBrooks 22:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Because the disambiguation page already covers it. And yes, Tiki as the first man is much much more restricted - to a few tribes even within New Zealand. There is a Tahitian version, cognate: Ti'i. In the Cook Islands, Tiki is a woman, the first to die a natural death, not necessarily even the first human at all. I'm pretty keen to keep them separate as there is a tendency to overgeneralise in Polynesian articles generally on this wiki, where a minor ancestor in a tribe on an offshore island in New Zealand or the Society Islands gets described as 'Polynesian' or even as a 'Polynesian god' giving (or reinforcing) false impressions on many levels. Kahuroa 00:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like you know what you're talking about! - DavidWBrooks 01:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  tiki vs. tiki 

message: This article has gotten considerably shorter since January.  Is the information that has been removed incorrect? -- Beland 03:44, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: As discussed above, some material duplicated in the Tiki disambiguation page, and/or covered in other articles, was removed - this was only a couple of sentences anyway. I have added a 'see also' section which will give clearer links to that material. Kahuroa 04:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article length 

message: I don't think that it is correct to say that tiki is incorrect for hei-tiki. The latter means hanging tiki as in a tiki that you can hang around your neck. The Māori speakers I know use both tiki and hei-tiki. Also, the Māori speakers I know would say that the man in Whakarewarewa was carving a poupou or carved post. I have never heard anyone refer to that as a tiki. Is this regional usage? 118.90.21.76 (talk) 08:47, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  tiki vs hei-tiki (New Zealand Māori Usage) 

message: I got a bit bold and changed the WPNZ importance to low - hard to see why it had been given a high importance rating Kahuroa (talk) 19:52, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think tiki is a pretty important subject for New Zealand. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:01, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Really - an archaic Maori term for a carved post is important? You don't mean Heitiki do you? Kahuroa (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What I am trying to point out is that Heitiki is the correct term for what you seem to be referring to - the neck pendant - and as a previous contributor has pointed out in terms of modern usage within New Zealand, tiki is not the preferred term nowadays for the large humanoid images. Parts 1 and 2 of your answer do not relate to New Zealand specifically, except in a very limited sense relating to the first man -  the first man legend is a restricted to a few tribes here, and cannot be considered one of the most important parts of the mythology since it derives from only a few isolated traditional stories - very minor when compared to the great masses of material that relates to say Maui or Tawhaki and the like - and is not found throughout the country. And Heitiki is a much better developed article than this one in any case, which is as it should be. Kahuroa (talk) 00:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Are you disputing the explanation above that heitiki means hanging tiki? Also, you make a bunch of other arguments, but haven't provided any sources to support them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Heitiki the word is analysable as pendant tiki certainly, where hei is a general word for pendants worn around the neck - but that doesn't throw any light on the meaning of 'tiki' or the importance of this article. Your only source is an online dictionary is it not - not a reliable source from which to rewrite the Maori dictionary! My main source for the meanings of these words is POLLEX - the Polynesian lexicon by Bruce Biggs et al. Plus graduate studies in Maori and Polynesian linguistics and material culture - and fluency in Maori... and your experience of Maori and Polynesian studies is what exactly? Kahuroa (talk) 11:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I see. So your argument is that pendant tiki should have a lot of coverage, but tiki shouldn't. By your logic a lamp isn't a big subject compared to a desk lamp. And having failed to produce a single source indicating that tiki isn't a substantial subject or that neck tikis are, you're now accusing me of rewriting the Maori dictionary.  Here are books related to tiki . It's best to stick to verifiable sources. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  importance

message: I wanted to know more about the actual wooden Tiki statutes. The disam page directs to this page, saying this Tiki page "refers to large wood and stone carvings of humanoid forms in Central Eastern Polynesian cultures of the Pacific Ocean." Nothing about the first man or mythology. I come here, and the lede ends with: "In the Māori language, the word 'tiki' was the name given to large wooden carvings in roughly human shape, although this is a somewhat archaic usage. The carvings often serve to mark the boundaries of sacred or significant sites." 
Then, in the body of the article, the whole thing is about the mythology of the first man in various parts of the Pacific, and never gets into the figures other than a minor dispute between authorities over where the stone heads started. What were the purposes of the wood-carved men? What woods were they made of? How were they made? How did their meaning/usage vary between the mentioned cultures? 
It feels like somebody just took out half (or more) of the article then left the lede and the disam page unchanged.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.109.122.239 (talk) 02:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Did something happen to this article?? 

message: I have seen an article that claims the tiki - in its form as heitiki or good luck charm - came from South America. It is probable that Marquesan voyagers got to Chile and brought back the kumara and gave them the chicken. If they also brought back the tiki concept it might explain why Tiki is not mentioned in Rapanui or the western pacific as this voyage to Chile took place after the Society islander peoples left the western pacific and after voyagers went further to Rapanui. It would also give a timing to the Chilean visit.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.56.227 (talk) 21:37, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  South American Origin?