Talk:Chainsaw

message: Would like some history on who invented it. 
--Ericg33 (talk) 02:16, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a separate article at Saw chain, although it's not clearly linked and it could use expansion itself. Certainly a good topic that we ought to be describing in better detail. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:34, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chainsaw chain 

message: In the sentence: "It is most commonly used in forestry and by tree surgeons, to fell trees and to remove branches and foliage, and to harvest firewood.", I believe it would be more appropriate to change "Forestry" to "Logging".  Forestry is the study and management of forests whereas Logging is the actual process of cutting and harvesting timber.  QuickDraw 03:45, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: One thing that you encounter while editing here are differences in the English language from place to place. What seems obvious and natural in one part of the world is not elsewhere. I participated in a discussion recently about whether Orchard Grass should be given equal footing with Cocksfoot as the common name for Dactylis glomerata. One of the participants, an Englishman who is an expert on plants, was not aware that Orchard Grass is the main common name of the species in North America. Also, he thinks that common names should be capitalized because that is the convention that is familiar to him. In the United States, common names are usually not capitalized. All this is to say that I don't think things like forestry v. logging can be resolved in the context of this project. Some are going to think forestry sounds natural; others will prefer logging and will agree with the definitions you cite. I don't think it matters to the goal of the project. Most readers will understand either wording. That said, feel free to change it, but don't be surprised if someone changes it back. Most importantly, don't be upset. For me, one of the charms of Wikipedia is encountering complexity and variety in the English language. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:37, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I agree that logging and forestry are two different things. If they are used interchangeable it must be that the companies involved are organized differently . Here a logging/forester to a landowner might be a conflict of interest. Does “forest products industry” include both or as far as this article, perhaps just avoid the whole thing and say chain saws are used to fell trees and to saw and delimb logs. How much wood harvested today even uses chain saws? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KAM (talk • contribs) 18:51, 3 December 2005.
Perhaps the compromise is to add Logging to the list.  In my opinion, the development of the chain saw to what it is today was a result of improvements made for the logging industry.  I am looking at this from the perspective of also preserving the history of its use for the benefit of future readers.  In the west and pacific northwest the chain saw is still the main tool used to fell (fall) trees.  The size of trees as well as rugged terrain do not allow for the use of other types of mechanized equipment that can cut and delimb the tree in one operation.  QuickDraw 14:57, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I think that the difference between logging and forestry is somewhat  analogous to the difference between construction and engineering. Building a bridge, for example, to a layman could be called an engineering project or a construction project.  To an engineer or a construction contractor the difference in the roles is clear. For example, it is the engineers role to design the bridge and to ensure that the building contractor builds according to the design. The building contractor wants to build the project at minimum cost.  KAM 16:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

text: With the discussion, I see and agree that "Forestry" should not be changed or removed.  Initially I was looking at Forestry from a management perspective and not the actual activities that are also a part of Forestry, such as tree thinning, etc. that you mentioned.  I still feel that logging should be mentioned because the development of the chainsaw had roots connected to the need for more efficient means of harvesting timber.  ~ Thanks, QuickDraw 14:42, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change "Forestry" to "Logging"  

message: Logger needs to be improved and cleaned up, in case anyone here might be interested. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logger and Snag 

message: This article deals with a specific type of chainsaw, but there are, or have been, other types of chainsaw. It may surprise the reader to learn that an early type of chainsaw (not motorized, and not with an endless chain) was developed in Scotland in the late eighteenth century. However, it was not for use in forestry or logging, but in surgery!
* M. Skippen, J. Kirkup, R. M. Maxton, S.W. McDonald: Scottish Medical Journal vol. 49, no. 2, May 2004, 57-60
As above the chainsaw was invented in Scotland in the eighteenth century by surgeons.
* M. Skippen, J. Kirkup, R. M. Maxton, S.W. McDonald:    —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.69.53 (talk) 21:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The early chainsaw 

message: This section now contains more text than any other part of the article, which is, of course, good. All information is good. I think maybe that the 'In culture' section is so good now that it may be time for it to fly free and set itself up on a page of its own, linked of course from here or whatever. Any objections?The Boy that time forgot 20:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  In culture 

message: I think the chainsaw article needs to have a pop culture section, with little notes on zombie killing and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.9.164.49 (talk) 04:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The pop culture section is becoming so large as to violate the undue weight section of WP:NPOV. Chainsaws are not primarily used to kill and maim people and this article should not give the impression that they are. Also, the section is not sourced. Please review WP:V and WP:RS for guidance. Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone have any accurate figure as to how many assaults take place with a chainsaw used as a primary weapon per ten years or so? I can't find any, just grisly news stories of a very few incidents which often do not result in death (surprisingly!). Therefore, because it's so rare that I can't give accurate, sourceable figures, I'm apparently not allowed to describe assault-with-a-chainsaw as "incredibly rare" or even allude to the fact that most people out to do somebody a mischief won't choose a heavy, expensive, awkward power tool over a £2.99 vegetable knife. Any ideas, mr. S? 'cos I'm stumped, so to speak ;) On a similar note, splitting "chainsaws in popular culture" into its own page may be an idea, since it would throw into sharp relief just how nonsensical the whole thing is. (Nailgunner (talk) 23:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pop Culture 

message: I have very limited experience with chain saws, and even then only with very small varieties. Anyway, does anyone know why the blades are shaped the way they are - IE not like the teeth on a circular saw? I read the safety information on how the depth guide works, does anyone have additional information? Thanks,--Legomancer 21:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I too have many questions about the chain and so on: one sees 10SC or 25SC, and "pitch" amounts (1/4" pitch for example) when describing the chains - What is pitch? What's an SC? What are the standards?  --198.103.172.9 (talk) 18:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bars and Chains 

message: I don't think my poor English will suffice, but it might be interesting to add a chapter on chainsaws for stone, like the one you can see here . Anyone in for writing it?--Satrughna02 (talk) 14:43, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: After thinking, I've decided to give it a go anyway, anyone's improvements are welcome--Satrughna02 (talk) 09:44, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to it :) they're basically an adapted, modified common chainsaw, usually quite a big one. The cutter blocks seem to be the same material that core drills and diamond discs use, basically small industrial diamonds embedded in a softer alloy. Nice video here for you :) http://www.adpdiamex.co.uk/shop/movies.htm - shows the ICS range and a good deal on chain design.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nailgunner (talk • contribs) 23:17, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that's a really cool movie. As far as I know, this ICS firm is the only one producing the chains, even though there are several other producers of the engines (see the Husqvarna K950 Chain in the picture on the article page). Perhaps it would be nice to incorporate such a movie link, but I don't know how this would fit in with Wikipedia, as this is obviously an advertisement. Found a picture of a hydraulic version as well, with the gasoline driven hydropump.  Greetings, --Satrughna (talk) 14:13, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Some more videos on the website of the manufacturer: diamond chain videos here--Satrughna (talk) 20:04, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Recently User:pd THOR added the unreferenced tag to this section. Alas the only reference material available to me on this is commercial stuff (and my own experience of course, but that doesn't qualify either). If you know of a way of adding relevant references, please do. The website of the manufacturer of course supports the facts mentioned in the article, but I don't know of any independent source, which perhaps can be said of other parts of the article on chainsaws as well. It seems difficult therefore to provide references, but that shouldn't mean the material is biased or nonsense, I think. --Satrughna (talk) 14:47, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chainsaw for stone, concrete and brick 

message: Dear Mintrick, why have you changed the layout of the popcult chapter? The previous layout prevented people putting in nonsense all the time, whil referring them toe the other page --Satrughna (talk) 09:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the content because it was unsourced, and only served to belabor the poi nt of the other article. I'll make sure any new things are relocated to the IPC article. But, in general, people seem quite also to follow those see also links.Mintrick (talk) 14:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concision of popular culture section 

message: I was looking through the history of the article, and I realized that this article is often vandalized. Does anyone else think this page needs to be semi-protected? If we get a consensus, would any admin be willing to do this for us? Jmfriesen (talk) 01:42, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of vandalisms on this page, that make up nearly all of the recents edits and reverts. A semi-protection might cure that; I sencond the motion. (Hear hear)(Sorry, forgot to log in: --Satrughna (talk) 18:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have already contacted someone. The vandals are so bad they revert your repair of vandalism about an hour after you revert it! I have never seen vandalism like that. This page needs semi protection.  But administrators are had put to get to do that.  Jack Jackehammond (talk) 14:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I think it would be worth adding a section about the use of chainsaws by paramilitary groups in Colombia to carry out massacres and mutilate bodies. Here are some references:
http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/colombia/chain-saw.htm
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/reports98/colombia/Colom989-04.htm
http://colombiajournal.org/colombia33.htm
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thread_title:  Use as a weapon 

message: The addition and then removal of the comment about "pneumatic chainsaw" would be really nice to have someone research and add to the article with suitable references and possibly photographs. I think I may do that if I can avoid turning the coverage of the device in to an advertisment. Damotclese (talk) 22:33, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pneumatic Chainsaw  

message: The top picture is clearly an unacceptable and ridiculous product placement. Product placement should be totally banned from a serious encyclopedia unless there are interests behind it.
Heinz is certainly ketchup but not all ketchups are Heinz!
I suggest that admins change the picture and remove the stupid tag: A Shtiel saw.
Thank you  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.64.22.75 (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Top picture 

message: The Editor who is removing external links, please explain why you are removing them and if there is a good reason I won't need to restore your removal. Thanks. Damotclese (talk) 15:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Um, is your issue that the external links are about chainsaw safety and not specifically about chainsaws themselves? That would be a legitimate reason to remove the links. If so, when you make edits you should describe why, otherwise they could look like vandalism or a mistake. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 15:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd support removing them. MrOllie is a well-established editor who we can assume to understand policy and show good judgement. Neither of these links look IMHO as if they meet WP:EL. They're not bad links, they're just weak links. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:20, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Sherriltree is an online store, that bugs you for your email address before it lets you read the content - clearly a promotional site. The crystallake.name link is to someone's blog-like description of taking a chainsaw safety class, but it's only a narrative - there really isn't any information about chainsaws or chainsaw safety there. Checking your user page, I see that crystallake.name is your personal web site. I suggest you read over our guidelines on external linking (especially Links normally to be avoided #11) and the guideline on conflict of interest. - MrOllie (talk) 16:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  Not a problem, removal makes sense since they're not relevant to the actual subject. No problem, thanks for the comments. When updates are made, some explanation is a good idea, of course. Thanks! Damotclese (talk) 17:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links discussion 

message: Good catch on the promotion edit, that was advertising. The editor who added that sentence, you might want to look at providing an external link or, if you provide a list of safety certification companies and governmental agencies, add a section that covers the need for safety training and certifications. As it is, what was basically advertising had to be removed. 
I mention it because finding suitable safety training and certification classes that governmental agencies will accept has been in my experience very difficult, and the compilation and maintenance of a list of certification entities would be helpful, in my opinion. Damotclese (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Melbourne, Australia, Treetec -- Promotion 

message: The photo in the Maintenance section shows someone standing on the material he is cutting which is a gross safety violation, a behavior that is trained in to professionals not to do, and a behavior which gets Federal employees working in fire and forestry reprimanded or fired. I think that photo should be replaced with something showing safe behavior.
Also the photo in Safety shows unsafe behavior with (1) footing not cleared of tripping and obstructing material and (2) de-limbing after having made a full pie cut and (3) chaps that are long enough to wrap under the heel of the foot. I think that photo should also be replaced with something showing safer behavior. Damotclese (talk) 16:51, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I brought this up over a year ago, I'm going to change the photo to something that does not show prohibited, unsafe behavior. Damotclese (talk) 17:18, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Really bad photos, Maintenance and Safety 

message: For cutting high branches in trees there are small chainsaws on a big pole, do they have a special name? Should they be mentioend here? Also there exists jigsaws that have a chainsaw blade. Should they be nmentioned here or in the jigsaw article?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.8.68.100 (talk) 13:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chainsaws on a pole 

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replies: text:  The archived on WayBack does not include photos, however, so we need better references for this. Damotclese (talk) 16:30, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I saw an explanation of chain sharpening on Youtube, but found it hard to follow.  They use all kinds of terminology—raker, tooth, rivet, pitch, chain size, bar depth—only some of which are clear.  I came here for illumination, but there is no such detail in this article.  Seems like there should be, unless it were in an article like chainsaw chain.  —EncMstr (talk) 23:47, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevermind:  it was hiding in the article with a linked section heading.  I have fixed it to follow the manual of style.  —EncMstr (talk) 23:29, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  chain details 

message: A large chunk of text in the History section appears to be copied verbatim from this link:  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15209147
Text quoted here for reference purposes:
Scott Med J. 2004 May;49(2):72-5.
The chain saw--a Scottish invention.
Skippen M1, Kirkup J, Maxton RM, McDonald SW.
Author information
1
Laboratory of Human Anatomy, University of Glasgow, Glasgow.
Abstract
The prototype of the chain saw familiar today in the timber industry was pioneered in the late 18th Century by two Scottish docors, John Aitken and James Jeffray, for symphysiotomy and excision of diseased bone respectively. The chain hand saw, a fine serrated link chain which cut on the concave side, was invented around 1783-1785. It was illustrated in Aitken's Principles of Midwifery or Puerperal Medicine (1785) and used by him in his dissecting room. Jeffray claimed to have conceived the idea of the chain saw independently about that time but it was 1790 before he was able to have it produced. In 1806, Jeffray published Cases of the Excision of Carious Joints by H. Park and P. F. Moreau with Observations by James Jeffray M.D.. In this communication he translated Moreau's paper of 1803. Park andMoreau described successful excision of diseased joints, particularly the knee and elbow. Jeffray explained that the chain saw would allow a smaller wound and protect the adjacent neurovascular bundle. While a heroic concept, symphysiotomy had too many complications for most obstetricians but Jeffray's ideas became accepted, especially after the development of anaesthetics. Mechanised versions of the chain saw were developed but in the later 19th Century, it was superseded in surgey by the Gigli twisted wire saw. For much of the 19th Century, however, the chain saw was a useful surgical instrument.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.172.173.157 (talk) 17:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible plagiarism in history section 

message: Why is a Wraparound handle only availabe in the Usa? Do you know other Countries where one is availabe? I never saw one in Europe, why? We could write about that too?
Lucamon97 (talk) 21:53, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wraparoundhandle