Talk:Cromwell (film)

message: :A more accurate treatment of Cromwell and his times is to be found in To Kill a King.
What is To Kill a King? Is it a book, a film, a video game, a hip-hop album? If a book, who wrote it? Why is this source more accurate? It would not matter as much if there were an article at the link, but there isn't. Please clarify, or the sentence will need to be deleted, as it expresses an unsourced POV. 
In addition, there are no sources given for the article whatsoever, so the entire thing is unsourced original research. Qualified sources need to be found, and the parts which remain unsourced removed. Thanks. -- BillCJ 20:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: Wasn't it shot in Spain? --84.20.17.84 17:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
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message: There are no sources whatsoever for this claim in the "historical points" sections.  Rather, there are sources (apparently) for the "accurate" history (and many that have no source at all, even of the WP:SYNTH sort).  If no such sources can be provided, the entire section needs to be removed as OR.  84.203.40.54 (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "criticised for its historical inaccuracies" 

message: What is this confusing statement supposed to mean?
"Oddly enough" is blatant editorializing and must go, but the rest just doesn't make any sense.  Was it meant to say that Dalton was hired to play a character named Bond in this film?  He wasn't.  Is it trying to say that he was being hired to play Bond at the same time this film was made? He wasn't (Connery was lured back to replace Lazenby in Diamonds Are Forever, which would be released the following year, and Connery was succeeded in the role by Roger Moore, who continued in the role for over a decade). It's nearly complete gibberish.  Dalton was hired to play Prince Rupert in this film; was someone trying poorly to indicate that that role was intended for Connery, but Connery left the project (presumably to film Diamonds Are Forever)? In that case, a source is required (in addition to a remedial course in verb conjugation and sentence structure), because I can find nothing to support the idea that Connery was ever involved in this project. 12.233.147.42 (talk) 02:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Interesting aside but the fact is not really relevant to the film. The thought of the older Scot (Connery) playing young Prince Rupert (who was in his 20s during the Civil War) at the time seems laughable now.Cloptonson (talk) 08:42, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
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message: I have condensed this section a little as a few points seemed problematic.  The section about Naseby didn't really say anything about inaccuracies not covered elsewhere.    I think there is some dispute about Cromwell's exact words when he dissolved the Rump.  I think the film does make his anti-Catholicism clear with his behaviour in the Church at the start.  Cromwell was not granted the crown, so not sure what this section is on about. PatGallacher (talk) 17:39, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Cromwell was not present when the king was moved from Newport, nor was he taken directly to London. According to C. V. Wedgewood's closely researched account, Colonel Ewer and Major Rolph moved the king to Hurst Castle on the mainland with only half an hour's notice. (The Trial of Charles 1, pp.339-40). I have accordingly deleted the assertion that Cromwell was present; he was in fact still in the North. Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:26, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: It's many decades since I read CV Wedgewood, but some accounts do have Charles and Cromwell meeting at least once around this time. It had been challenged years ago on the grounds that "I can't believe that this was the only time they ever met". In fact it is far from implausible, unless you count the times when Cromwell was a junior MP in the same room as the King. To my knowledge there is no evidence that Queen Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots ever actually met in real life, despite a number of films including one or more fictionalised "this meeting never took place, and no record is to be kept" summit meetings.Paulturtle (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Historical points 

message: As one who recalls watching the film in 1970 and took home a film brochure (since lost) I recall that the same male actor is listed as playing both Archbishop William Laud earlier in the film and (then Bishop of London) Juxon at the execution scene of Charles I. However I do not see him in the list which is surprising as although the parts were brief in overall proportion to the film's length, these churchmen played key parts in the king's reign and (in Juxon's case) death, and the king's High Church religious policies in which they played part were part of the casus belli for Cromwell and the Parliamentarians pursuing the Civil War. Worth finding out. From memory the actor seemed elderly, and sounded rather like John Gielgud.Cloptonson (talk) 08:30, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds like Felix Aylmer, whose parts ended up on the cutting room floor according to the article.Paulturtle (talk) 01:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I have checked the wiki article on Felix Aylmer but Cromwell does not appear among his filmography.Cloptonson (talk) 06:10, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

text: According to the article Felix Aylmer played "an archbishop" (presumably Laud) but his scenes were cut. The elderly-looking fruity-voiced actor to whom you refer is John Welsh (who despite his accent and his name was actually Irish, and would have been about 55 at the time). He is present as "a bishop" in the scene near the start where Strafford returns from Ireland, and I think is also the priest attending on King Charles just before his execution (belabouring the whole Christ-being-mocked-and-executed theme in his text). Both were Bishop Juxon in real life. The whole film is available to watch online for free these days.Paulturtle (talk) 18:28, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Thank you, I have added Charles Welsh into the cast list after checking he did appear in this film.Cloptonson (talk) 20:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Cast omission - who was 'Bishop Juxon/Laud'?

message: We may or may not agree with George MacDonald Fraser's views, but we don't need a better source for what he said. PatGallacher (talk) 21:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
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