Template talk:IPA-all

message: "Swiss German" isn't the correct label, it should read "Swiss Standard German". The same seems to apply to the Austrian variety. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 14:11, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Doesn't the same apply to German German as well?  What do you think the labels should be? Nardog (talk) 14:14, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I wouldn't say so, given the fact that Germany has the most diverse dialects out of the three countries. In Switzerland they only speak Alemannic dialects (besides the spoken standard language), whereas Bavarian is the predominant dialect in Austria. In this context German German can, IMO, be only understood as German Standard German. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 16:07, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  The ISO 639 codes de, deu, and ger refer to the same language (see ISO 639#Relations between the parts), namely Standard German, or German for short. The latter short name also occurs in other language names, especially gsw "Swiss German", nds "Low German", pdc "Pennsylvania German", gsg "German Sign Language", sgg "Swiss-German Sign Language" (though not in asq "Austrian Sign Language"). As a consequence the labels "German(y) German" and "Austrian German" seem sufficient for national varieties of Standard German (de-DE and de-AT), but "Swiss German" is the label for gsw, so de-CH cannot be shortened to that and must be labelled "Swiss Standard German". Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 20:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed "Swiss German" to "Swiss Standard German". As for Austrian, the article Austrian German discusses the standard variety of High German, so I'll defer to LiliCharlie and not change the label for now. Nardog (talk) 21:08, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Labels in [[Template:IPA-de]] 

message: A discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics#IPA-x templates could use your input. --Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  A discussion could use your input 

message: Shouldn't these templates be emitting HTML like
?
I mean, there should be lang="xx-fonipa" on either the span or the a HTML tags.
--Error (talk) 15:13, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: @Error, I just came to this page to ask this same question. This would be an improvement for visualizing IPA in any way with CSS and might also be useful for screen readers. This would follow International Phonetic Alphabet#IETF language tags. Any more input on this? --Marsupium (talk) 15:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: As I wrote in that section, lang="und-fonipa" can be used to tag plain IPA without referencing any particular language. However Template:IPA is used in the Template:IPA-*, so some mechanism to detect the context is needed. --Error (talk) 08:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: @Error: Something like lang="-fonipa" should do the trick, e.g. for  giving lang="-fonipa". Local overwriting for (the only such non-ISO-code case?)  would be needed though. --Marsupium (talk) 09:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  will always give you the name of the page the template is transcluded in, not of the template that directly calls the template. Nardog (talk) 13:59, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nardog, oh, sure, thank you! Stupid me, didn’t think about that. Do we have a template way for getting the title of the page the code is put into? At least with  Lua this would be possible. Marsupium (talk) 17:20, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we should just do lang="und-fonipa" in  and specify the language in each IPA-xx. Nardog (talk) 21:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nardog and Error, sorry for the delay! Yes, I guess you're right and using lang="und-fonipa" as you proposed is the best solution that doesn't over-complicate template code. Is there any admin or template editor around that could make the small required edits for  and ? Best, --Marsupium (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Done (hopefully). The task was a bit more arduous than I thought and I might have screwed something up. Sorry in advance. We really need to move away from these IPA-xx templates, which are a mess (see these threads). Nardog (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for the work! Just one comment: In  "" looks like more complex code with the same result as the "und" you had proposed above. Or am I missing some wiki syntax details (again)? Best, --Marsupium (talk) 14:32, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's to avoid lang="-fonipa" in case  is given but empty. Nardog (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

text: Also there's hundreds of articles using class="IPA" directly in the source, which should be fixed. Nardog (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use lang 

message: There seems to be no way to override the small font size, so using the template in an infobox where the font is already reduced violates thr MOS. There should be a parameter to specify 100% font size. MB 02:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Font size in infobox 

message: May we please add a function where it could make:
*  → Mexican Spanish: [tu]
Similar to what is already done:
*  → American Spanish: [tu]
Thank you for your assistance, please do ping me, waddie96 ★ (talk) 19:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: P.S. Appears to also be a few issues/requests above that you could possibly help out with. waddie96 ★ (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

text: What's the need for this? IPA-es transcriptions, even ones assuming yeísmo and seseo, are usually labeled simply "Spanish". Nardog (talk) 19:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Nardog (talk) 22:35, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add "Mexican Spanish" 

message: This templates use of no wrap spaces causes formatting issue on mobile. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 21:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  No wrap 

message: On mobile view, this is the only template that actually displays labels at a reduced size, probably because of a different html syntax. Can anyone change “85%” to “small” for consistency with all other templates? Or alternatively do the other way round. 〜イヴァンスクルージ九十八［IvanScrooge98］（会話） 07:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: We should probably ditch the small text altogether (see Template talk:IPA#Small Text).  Any progress on that front? Nardog (talk) 01:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  haven't heard anything new yet about a discussion in another venue. Probably would be better if the small text were to be improved. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 01:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Text size for &#123;&#123;[[Template:IPA-pt|IPA-pt]]&#125;&#125; 

message: Hi, I am not sure if this is the right place to ask, but could someone (who is able to do so without breaking anything) add an IPA template for the language Gronings (ISO 639-3: gos)? The name should be Template:IPA-gos, I guess. I would like to add transcriptions in that language to some articles (e.g., places in the region where the language is spoken). It would be great if I could use a specific template for that, rather than the catch-all template. There is no dedicated key page (yet), but the article on the language has a phonology section, so I would suggest to use that as the page that the transcriptions link to. Thanks in advance! Isoglosse (talk) 16:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Nardog (talk) 00:55, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Very helpful, thank you so much! I'll start using it shortly. Isoglosse (talk) 13:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional IPA template for Gronings 

message: I noticed that Persian رد (radd) has the Classical pronunciation of /ɾaðd/ and I don't think this can be correct. Exarchus (talk) 22:01, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not a place to discuss content of Wiktionary. Nardog (talk) 22:12, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  double 'd' for Classical Persian in fa-IPA