Talk:David Lane (white supremacist)

message: Greetings, anon IPs! Many of you come here, change Lane's description to "white nationalist" from "white supremacist", and run away. The thing is, reliable sources describe Lane as a white supremacist, and so, that is how Wikipedia describes him. Such edits will be reverted, time and again, no matter how many times they are made. Thanks! Rockypedia (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: this is a dead discussion, and the first sentence in it is the key one - we rely on what sources that meet our criteria at WP:RS say. Doug Weller talk 13:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: White supremacist vs. White nationalist

message: I really don't think that this particular man deserves his own David Lane article when there are clearly other notable David Lanes in the world.  I propose that thsi should be turned into a dab page.  Disagree?  Agree? Hbdragon88 01:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed: David Lane is now a disambiguation page. -- The Anome 08:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've moved it to "David Lane (white nationalist)", since "nationalist" is the term we use in the article.  ·:·Will Beback  ·:· 22:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation? 

message: I noticed in the article that it stated Lane's weight as 450 kg.  This would be over 900 lbs, quite a feat for a professed vegetarian/vegan who advocated an intake of around 1800 calories per day. Yogensha 22:41, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His weight 

message: This article should be moved to David Lane (nationalist) according to this.  I will go ahead and put a tag on it, so anyone who sees it in the future will know. Mynameisnotpj (talk) 04:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is (nationalist) better than (white nationalist)? The terms aren't synonymous.  ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 06:04, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rename 

message: This talk page is on the David Lane (dismabiguation) article, as well as on the David Lane (white nationalist) article. Could someone please remove it from the disambig page, whilst keeping this talk page on the WN article - I don't know how to do that. F W Nietzsche (talk) 10:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Talk pages

message: Why the heck was he, of all people, interested in Kabbalah (Jewish) numerology? That doesn't make any sense at all, but it's what the article claims.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.99.104.234 (talk) 02:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: He wrote books about [[gematria]]?!?

message: Did he have any? Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 04:24, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Children 

message: An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:39, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC 

message: Multiple reliable sources refer to Lane as a white supremacist - the only sources I've found that refer to him as a white nationalist are websites associated with the white nationalist movement. "White nationalist" appears to be being used as a whitewashing term here, at least. I propose the article be moved back to its original title of David Lane (white supremacist).  Thoughts? Rockypedia (talk) 17:57, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: For better or worse, I made the move - after reading the guide to page moves, I believe this to be the correct title. If this creates a dialogue on the talk page, I'm all for it. Rockypedia (talk) 03:37, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

text: Unfortunately, I cannot add to the article the opinion that he is turning over in his grave without a reliable secondary source. Rockypedia (talk) 17:55, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propose a move back to David Lane (white supremacist) 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Many sources state that Lane was the "getaway driver". This is probably not a crime in of itself. However the result was conviction for racketeering, conspiracy, Jim1138 (talk) 04:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia goes by what wp:reliable sources state. There are many that call Lane the "getaway driver". That he was not convicted as being such is not relevant. Jim1138 (talk) 05:18, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

text: "Was never convicted"? Perhaps you should read the article, specifically the section: David Lane (white supremacist)#Convictions and incarceration. He was sentenced to 190 years in prison. Is there a law on the books making it illegal to be a "getaway driver"? I don't think so; it's called "conspiracy". Jim1138 (talk) 18:38, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Getaway driver 

message: David Lane was an anti-American domestic terrorist that actively promoted violence to bring about the end of the USA. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi?people/l/lane.david/wotan-is-coming104.219.46.242 (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a WP:PRIMARY source from Lane, which is of very little value. This source also fails to clearly support this point. We are not interested in your personal interpretation of the ramblings of an unreliable criminal to determine whether or not he is American. He was born, lived, and died in US. His status as an advocate of domestic terrorism does not invalidate this fact about him, and we would need a reliable source, which is also necessarily an independent source, to explain this for us. Grayfell (talk) 20:31, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-American

message: Seems like pure synthesis. Where is the evidence that verifies he was viewed as such by the mainstream and scholarly consensus. Please quote excerpts directly. El_C 01:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: See #Anti-American, above, where that editor was blocked for disruptive behavior. This is still SYNTH or WP:OR, or perhaps just plain old whitewashing. These IPs have been promoting this specific point for months, and also tried to similar poorly-sourced minutia elsewhere, such as this edit to Fourteen Words, and at Creativity (religion), Wotansvolk, and likely others I'm forgetting. Grayfell (talk) 05:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for letting me know. I'm now treating this as disruptive editing. The article has been semiprotected for 3 months. Plenty of time for the IPs to demonstrate mainstream and scholarly consensus for the term. No, primary source synthesis will not do. El_C 05:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-American (2)

message: I dont have source for this but David Lane is not author of 88 slogan.I saw documentary long time ago about German veterans in West Germany and some of them use this slogan.But I dont know the name of documentary.Maybe someone figured this out.
2A00:1028:83B2:106A:8193:2A3C:1733:ACBA (talk) 09:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not author of 88 

message: I removed the word “tragically” from the sentence about his death in prison, because it was completely unnecessary and arguably incorrect. 167.102.183.145 (talk) 13:16, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tragically?