Talk:List of shortest-reigning monarchs

message: Pope John Paul I... monarch? [unsigned]
Historians don't recognize some of these brief Kings. This article needs some cleaning up. GoodDay (talk) 16:54, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Questionable entries

message: --User:Brenont (talk) 22:12, 1 June 2008 (UTC
Hate to point out the obvious, but Lady Jane Grey, as the page says, reigned for nine days... which is not 'less than a week'. Zimri of Israel had a shorter reign, but manages to make it to 'less than a month'. 86.152.90.113 (talk) 00:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks.  Actually, she was listed under both headings (it was just added to 'Less than a week' by someone a couple of hours ago).  I've removed it from the incorrect section now.  If you see an error like this in future, just click "edit this page" and you can fix it yourself.--Pharos (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Less than a week'? 

message: Under 'less than a year' does this Nepalese king merit? - "The shortest serving Rana was Deva Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana who ruled for two months in 1901."  See Rana dynasty.
:The Ranas were hereditary prime ministers, not kings. OldSpot61 (talk) 08:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: He is now! Cebr1979 (talk) 02:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Less than a year' 

message: I think uncrowned monarchs should be ruled out, or at least those that were both uncrowned and never proclaimed monarchs. For example, Luís Filipe of Portugal died 20 minutes after his father, King Carlos; dying as he was, it's pretty sure he was never proclaimed (much less crowned) king, so why count him? (No Portuguese historian does.) Plus, why call him 'Luís Filipe I'? He was never crowned, so we cannot know which name he would officially choose. He could have chosen just Luís, which would make him Luís II and not Luís Filipe I. Gazilion (talk) 13:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncrowned 'monarchs' 

message: This list should be in order by date, from earliest to the most present. 207.233.71.96 (talk) 03:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Date

message: Historians don't recognize these guys as 'Kings of France'. They should be deleted from this article. GoodDay (talk) 19:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe they should have the cited information "Historians don't recognize these guys as 'Kings of France'. "? Otherwise someone coming here
looking for one of them might assume by  their absence they lasted over a year. Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually Historians DO recognize them and Phillipe VII, who lasted a couple of days in 1848.Ericl (talk) 22:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  The supposed 'Louis XIX' & 'Henry V' of France 

message: Prince An apparently was ruler "for a year". Sufficiently vague that he may qualify for this page. Rich Farmbrough, 18:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: He is there under "Emperor Hồ Quý Ly."Cebr1979 (talk) 08:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Prince An

message: This list does not include Imam Muhammad al-Badr of (North) Yemen, who ruled for at most eight days (not sure exactly how many) after the death of his father Ahmad in September of 1962, before he was deposed by a military coup. He did continue to claim the throne and fought for several years to try to reclaim it, so perhaps this does not count.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.71.55.139 (talk) 05:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Imam of Yemen 

message: Sure, it keeps everything standard, but a lot of the links turned red in the process. We should turn them back. --LutherVinci (talk) 20:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Protest against Wikifying tables 

message: As legitimacy has a distinct meaning, particularly relevant in hereditary succession of monarchs, I'd rather see some other word such as validity or genuineness.  (The legitimacy of Elizabeth I of England was disputed in her lifetime, but no one denies that she reigned.) —Tamfang (talk) 09:30, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  "legitimacy" 

message: More Roman Emperors should be added, when we exclude usurpers, who ruled sole province like Uranius Antoninus (Syria, 253/4) we still hqve plenty of short-term rulers like Pertinax, Didius Julianus (both 193), Pupienus, Balbinus (both 238, what about Gordians I & II?), Tacitus (275/6), Florian (276), Carus (282/3), Severus II (306/7) - that list is not complete. What about co-ruled heirs like Calpurnius Piso (adopted son of Galba, 69) or Hostilian (son of Trebonianius Gallus, 251)? What about chimeric rulers of West Empire's end like Olbyrius (472) and last of them - Romulus Augustulus (475/6)? 95.51.201.218 (talk) 15:54, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Roman Emperors 

message: This is a "List of shortest-reigning monarchs".  For many/most readers, they'd come here to find out who was THE world-record holder, the shortest-reigning monarch in world history.  But he's right at the bottom of the page, because the list gives priority to longer-reigning monarchs and gets progressively shorter.  That seems a very odd and unintuitive way of organising a list such as this.  It should start with the shortest-reigning and get progressively longer. --  ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ [your turn] 02:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: What Jack said. —Tamfang (talk) 01:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with both of you (although it would be a very time-consuming project for someone to undertake).Cebr1979 (talk) 06:32, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  And? Any WP article worth its salt shows evidence of effort and time expended.  We have a consensus to change it. If you're saying that you, personally, can't be bothered, that's fine; let someone else do it.  --  Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 18:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

text:  Are we just talking about moving the sections of the article around? (Like copy-pasting?) What would be "very time-consuming"? —TeragR disc./con. 16:26, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Order should show shortest-reigning first

message: Two kings should be added :  Ansprand, king of the Lombards, ruled in Italy for three months (712). Reccared II, king of the Visigoths, ruled in Spain around one month (621).92.90.23.29 (talk) 01:24, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Ansprand of Italy and King Reccared II of Spain 

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message: Hi. I'm not sure about this section: <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_shortest-reigning_monarchs&oldid=935581139#Obscure_monarchs_thought_to_have_reigned_less_than_a_year>. Is this original research? Who's considered obscure? &c. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:41, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This section is nonsense. There is no criteria to define what is an "obscure monarch", in this article or elsewhere.--Menah the Great (talk) 02:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Obscure monarchs thought to have reigned less than a year" section 

message: The notes are unclear. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  King Chang of Goryeo 

message: Needs 'moving up.'
Given the (small) number of 'presently reigning monarchs' who will repeatedly move up the tables (with resultant potential for dislocation) what is the best means of inclusion? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:51, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sultan Haitham bin Tariq Al Said 

message: where is emperor kobun he only ruled for 8 month's before getting defeated by his unlce emperor tenmu. his committed suicide by drowning his body was later found. William the enderman6713 (talk) 19:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Added, though I don't get why the Emperor Kobun article has him as emperor while his father was still alive.--Menah the Great (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  emperor kobun 

message: Richard Cromwell was Lord Protector of the Commonwealth for 9 months. Though the Commonwealth is usually regarded as a Republic (and considered itself to be), the first LP, Oliver Cromwell was made ruler for life, with the treatment of Highness, and the power to name his successor at will, who would enjoy the same powers as himself; he chose his son Richard for no reason I can see but the fact he was his son. In my opinion they are just as much monarchs as Napoleon or the Roman emperors but... are published historians of the same opinion?--Menah the Great (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Richard Cromwell 

message: this list is missing  3  rulers and are the following shown 
Richard Cromwell who ruled for 247 days from 1658-1659 before he abdicated  
Ælfweard who ruled for 18 days in 924 before dieing of an illness 
Saul Wahl who ruled for 20 hours in 1587 Tanmeo4hh (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing 3  rulers 

message: She only reigned for 6 months. Nwoomerkos (talk) 16:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ælfwynn 

message: How sure are we about the dates for Albert III, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst? Apart from this article, I see no mentioning of the date 19 June 1359 anywhere on Wikipedia in any language in regardence to this Albert III (nor in a Google search for that matter). Is there a reliable source for this date? Even the noted date of death 1 August 1359 seem to be an approximate date. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not sure mabey we should put him on the last list Nwoomerkos (talk) 09:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That might be the Best solution for now. Oleryhlolsson (talk) 16:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Albert III, Prince of Anhalt-Zerbst ? 

message: Please add the following monarchs to the list.  Peter Ormond 💬 17:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request 

message: --Menah the Great (talk) 15:53, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Any reason to remove the Dynasty box from the first batch? 

message: Why was he removed for no reason 103.137.24.131 (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alexis V 

message: He only reigned for a week after his father died but abdicated in favour of his son
Why isn't he here? 103.137.24.196 (talk) 08:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indra Bhattaraka 

message: It's just natural that he's been reigning for only a few days (at the time of this comment) since his mother just died. I feel his inclusion here at this point in time is redundant, and he should only be included in the event that he dies or abdicates before he has reigned for a year or less. Yekshemesh (talk) 12:56, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: And Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan. I tend to think that removing him permanently would probably require us to lock the page, that the problem will solve itself over the next twelve months, and that a sizeable contingent of people looking at this page at the moment will be doing so because they want to know who has had a shorter reign than him. It's a bit silly, but not actively harmful or misleading. Furius (talk) 17:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This is really a list of monarchs whose reigns ended quickly. Charles and Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahayan are currently reigning and there is no reason to think they'll die or be deposed within a year. Remove them from the list and by all means add them back if their reigns end before a year is done. 208.98.223.81 (talk) 13:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Do we really need Charles III on this list? 

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