Talk:Clan Chattan

message: Were the Catti Gauls or Germans?  The Jade Knight 09:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: They were pictish, not germanic. The latin name of the Cait was most likely Orcades, not Chatti, the Ch being pronounced /x/, otherwise the latins wouldn't have bothered adding a h.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.95.227 (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: [Untitled]

message: Before this gets into an edit war lets just be perfectly clear: Wikipedia:External links#Important points to remember states "External links should not normally be used in the body of an article. Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable". It is obvious that if there is a Wikipedia article about a subject then that takes priority over an external link in the body of a Wikipedia article.QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:07, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that you have just admited that you will change your IP address in order to get around the rules of Wikipedia does not do you any favours, and that coment is stored in the history of the discussion page and there is nothing you can do about it. Wikipedia is all about reflecting the sources. If you do not like what Wikipedia is about then I suggest you do not use Wikipedia. Otherwise you should respect the rules. Now I began this discussion above about how you were adding external links into the body of the article which, as I have demonstrated, you are not supposed to do. But now you are going on about the origins of Clan Chattan...and excuse me but where in the article has anyone said that they were of Norman origin ? Your claims about your DNA does not prove anything in regards to the origins of the Clan Chattan unless you have a published source which specifically says so and I don't mean a page from the Family Tree DNA website showing DNA results - that does not prove anything about the origins of the Clan Chattan. I will be reporting you in due course.QuintusPetillius (talk) 14:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: External links

message: QUOTE: The clan does not follow the ordinary pattern of other Scottish clans, in that it was a community or confederation of clans whose chiefs were the descendants of the original ancestors. UNQUOTE
Who else would someone be descended from? The NON-original ancestors? The non-orignal non-ancestors or the original non-ancestors? How can one be descended from "the" non-ancestors? If it's inevitable (as one would guess) that one is descended from one's ancestors, what would differentiate being descended from "original" vs. "non-original" ancestors?
It shows the foolishness of an encyclopedia whose articles are written only by experts in the field or people with an interest in the topic but with no policing by a staff of people who have no interest in the article's subject, that it might be verified that the article makes some sense to people who don't already know everything in it: logicians, copy-editors, grammarians, style-sheet enforcers, and the like. Increasingly I take exception to some sentence in Wikipedia not because I know it is factually wrong (although God knows there is that) but, rather, because it is not possible to discern that it makes an assertion of fact at all, or what that fact might be. Nonsense is neither true nor false but, rather, just meaningless. For example being "descended from the original ancestors". And if we could figure out what that description is, we can't figure out what it describes. Is it the clans that each have had such chiefs? Or is it the confederation that has had such chiefs?2604:2000:C6AA:B400:3C34:8CD1:5626:33DD (talk) 23:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I have made some changes to the opening lines which should make it clearer as to what the article is about.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: That's better, but perhaps "united" isn't the right word. They were indeed a "confederation" of clans which acknowledged Mackintosh as the chief of the confederation, but each member clan had its own land, often acted independently, and had its own chief. Additionally, member clans of the confederation sometimes took advantage of each other, fought over land, rustled cattle from each other, etc. For example, MacThomas and Farquharson were such rivals that it rose to the level of a blood feud. Loyalty to clan came first, and loyalty to Chattan Confederation came only when it benefited the clan (or when obligation to the Mackintosh couldn't be avoided), this perhaps should be made more clear in the lede.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 19:06, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

text: I have made some additional changes to the opening lines, but I think the details that are mentioned by [[William Thweatt above such as the loyalties to their own clan and then the confederation can be left for the article body or even the individual articles for each of the clans that were part of the confederation.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:03, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: What is this?

message: Is "Chattan" pronounced (by non-Gaelic Scots) the 'English' way, i.e. /ˈt͡ʃatən/, with the first consonant as in chocolate, or the 'Gaelic' way, i.e. /ˈxatən/, with the first consonant like the last in loch? --Droigheann (talk) 22:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 

message: Since the motto "touch not the cat..." contains archaic English, it must have a long tradition in English. Do we know how old it is, and if it was originally English? Clann Chattan was a Gaelic clan, and I would expect the motto was probably (though not necessarily) originally in Gaelic. If so, do we know what it was in Gaelic? (But please, don't anyone translate it INTO Gaeilc - I could do that myself but it would not be authentic.) Obviously it's coincidence that the clan name sounds like the word "cat" (in both English and Gaelic), but the motto is playing on that, and maybe the article should explore that a little more. Did they use other cat metaphors besides the motto and the crest badge? Can we get a picture of the crest badge? So many questions... --Doric Loon (talk) 10:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Feline issues 

message: I don't know where the author got his information on that list from, but the one in the book itself is quite different: To start with, the list contains 17 associated clans, not 16, it begins with the Mac Gillivrays allright, but no. 2 is the Mac Beans and not the Macphersons. Fraser-Mac even makes a point in the introduction that he didn't include the latter, "because they probably would be offended if placed among the tribes as dealt with [i. e. the minor septs]". The Davidsons are no. 8, not 4, the MacQueens no. 4, not 10, and the MacPhails are no. 3, not 14. There follows, as no. 18, a list of 9 families under the heading of "The 'Kith and Kin' of Clan Chattan". The Mackintoshes and, as already mentioned, the Macphersons are for obvious reasons not included in a list of minor septs. So all in all, Fraser-Mac's count of Clan Chattan clans comprises 19.   91.21.164.249 (talk) 08:19, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  The list according to C. Fraser-Mackintosh 

message: On the website of the Chattan Association is to be found the following assertion: "The Clan motto is “Touch not the cat bot a glove” – “bot” meaning without." But the graphic here uses the word "cat" with a single T and the word "but". Any ideas, anyone? CharlesSpencer (talk) 17:48, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Motto