Talk:The Shard

message: Yes, Clearly from ve photos they should have did a giant 300 meter darlek instead of a pointy thing. it looks abit like a darlek prior to the glass reaching the top of the concrete block and it looks much better.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.127.32.53 (talk) 15:22, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: How about one in German? Edward 15:37, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)
well i cant gnu one of my images, the montetary loss would be too great (they cost a fortune to produce). has wikipedia actually changed its policy on non commercial licenses now?
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Wikipedia just deletes everything so what's the point? Wjfox2005 13:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pictures 

message: The article has vague and disjointed information about the design team and the project execution team. I think it needs to be clarified. The architectural firm Broadway Mayalan are mentioned in the introduction (Sherlock says: probably by a BM employee) but not Adamson Associates for example, who were the executive architect post planning stage, right up to construction. And no, I'm dont work for Adamson...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.164.67 (talk) 11:25, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Design Team 

message: To be honest, I'm sick of these constant reversions to the lead section. If The Shard will be the tallest building in the European Union when completed, then it should be added to the lead! As far as we know it will definitely be:
*the tallest building in the United Kingdom
but we don't know about it's rank in the:
*List of tallest buildings in the European Union
*and the List of tallest buildings in Europe.
The information we have on other buildings so far would suggest that The Shard will be the 3rd tallest building in Europe (going on the expected completion dates of the Federation Tower East and Mercury City Tower). However, according to the list of tallest buildings in the European Union, it will definitely become the tallest building in the EU, as it will surpass the Bishopsgate Tower.
Until we know that it will definitely be the tallest, we will not allow claims such as the recently added "possibly the tallest building in the European Union" to be in the lead section of the article. I have removed this, and we will leave the lead as "it will be the tallest building in the United Kingdom and one of the tallest buildings in Europe" until we've reached a consensus. Thanks, timsdad  (talk) 05:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Timsdad, I agree with you on excluding any mention of "tallest building in the EU" from the lead. Since other editors were insisting that mention of the EU be made in the lead - and just calling it the tallest outright instead of saying it will only possibly be tallest - I put that forward as compromise wording. My preference is that no mention be made of the tallest building in the EU unless/until it is verifiably the tallest in the EU. —C.Fred (talk) 16:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've been keeping up to date with the completion of the Shard and various other skyscraper projects, and I would actually suggest that it may be, for a very short period, the tallest building in Europe (considering construction of Federation Tower East has slowed, and that the Mercury City Tower is not going up at the same rate as the Shard). I feel this is an important point to make, but I'm unsure how to make it / whether anyone else thinks it is noteworthy - any thoughts? MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 15:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

text: I mean it's a struggle between being informative, i.e., making a point that would doubtless be of interest to a reader, and being verifiable as C.Fred says. I presume this section is of revelance: WP:Speculation. Particularly: "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about the prospects for success of future proposals and projects or whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 16:15, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Why is the Ostankino Tower, at 540.1 meters, not the tallest building in Europe? This should make the Shard the second tallest building in Europe.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.240.5 (talk) 05:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It think reason is the Ostankino Tower is not an "occupied" building whilst it could be the tallest "structure".  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.164.67 (talk) 11:28, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tallest building in the EU? 

message: The article's wp:lead currently refers to 'radiator floors'. What are such things? We should avoid (or at least explain) such jargon, so I've added  after the phrase. Trafford09 (talk) 23:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: "The top floors of the building are a massive radiator designed to expel the heat generated by it naturally."http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=46 - Think it's something along those lines. --86.5.226.63 (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Radiator floors 

message: I can see from the edits that my removal of the Flagicon from the infobox has been reverted by 'Willrocks10'. 
Please refer to WP:MOSFLAG
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message: Date of opening of the building to the public is almost certainly incorrect, as it will not have been fitted ou and safety certified by then.  The date cited is the 'official' opening date of the building. The hotel, for example, does not open until 2013. References given in text do not state that viewing platform will open then.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.38.142 (talk) 15:23, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And now I see it is on WP front page that it has opened to the public. This is categorically NOT so. Last night's laser light show was just the formal ceremony - the outside is complete, the inside is still totally unfitted and the public will not be given access to the viewing platform until 2013. Please correct this incorrect statement. Dsergeant (talk) 06:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of opening of the building to the public is almost certainly incorrect 

message: Hi, I just wondering why is the constrution gallery is so short now. I think it should have quite a few more pictures as it is a bit short!
Thanks! Willrocks10 (talk) 12:03, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not entirely sure, but I think the editor who shortened it felt that it contained a lot of quite similar images, and decided to trim it down to a few images which more obviously show the construction's progress. Michaelmas1957 13:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

text: That's fine, just make sure the images clearly show the tower's progress; i.e., they aren't too similar to the images already there. Michaelmas1957 12:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Construction Gallery 

message: Emley Moor transmitting station in Yorkshire is 20 metres taller, has a lift, has rooms, has solid walls, has windows, is contained against the elements and is held together by concrete. Why is Shard a "building" and Emley Moor not?
I get it that the Eiffel Tower is not a building; it's a lattice open to the elements, it has no significant walls, isn't solid. Also I get that Belmont transmitting station in Lincolnshire is not a building; it's just a big thin metal tube, it has no practical "indoor" space, and it doesn't stand up on its own, it needs guy ropes/cables. But none of those exceptions apply to Emley Moor.
Furthermore, Emley Moor is a grade II listed building. Here is Emley Moor's entry on the list of buildings and their grades; it says Building right there, right on the List of things which have a Grade. Thus, the fact that Emley Moor is a Building appears to have been confirmed by no less a body than English Heritage, which is exclusively appointed by the government to make decisions in these matters. That's pretty conclusive as far as WP:VERIFY goes. In terms of "verifiability not truth", Emley Moor is verifiably a building and thus the Shard is the *second* tallest building in the UK, not the first. Andrew Oakley (talk) 22:01, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion should probably be had at Talk:Emley Moor transmitting station. It seems to me Emley Moor is part building (a remarkable one) and part antenna. I don't think aerials and antenna are normally included in the height of the building. Sionk (talk) 22:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Belmont is a lattices structure, Emley Moor concrete.  It's a bit of a grey area to be honest. Mtaylor848 (talk) 00:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Interestingly enough, are the CN Tower in Toronto, Radio City in Liverpool and the tower in East Berlin counted as 'buildings',of they are it would seem Emley Moor should too.  It's worth looking into.  Mtaylor848 (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: By convention heights of buildings are quoted minus non-structural antennae.  In Emley Moor's case it seems that you would consider the height to the top of the concrete portion, which is "only" 900 feet tall. Crispmuncher (talk) 00:52, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  You mean: 275 metres. Paulo Calipari (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

text:  My understanding is The Shard is an "occupied" building. The Eiffel Tower is taller than The Shard plus its a "building" but not permanentely occupied....  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.6.164.67 (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Shard a "building" and Emley Moor not? 

message: Removed the following from "Planning" section: "As a phallic symbol to mans triumph over the female race." Robruss24 (talk) 09:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism Removed 

message: In line 4 this article links to itself. Is there some reason for this or can I remove the link? Andrew Hennigan (talk) 14:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow that was fast. Thanks! Andrew Hennigan (talk) 15:05, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Links to Itself 

message: The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat states that the architectural and tip height of the Shard is , while the article, and many news sources, say it's closer to . So, which is it? I'd be tempted to go with the CTBUH since they are considered the authority on buildings, but if there's a good reason to believe they are wrong, then obviously, we'll stick with the other sources. Thoughts? -- tariqabjotu 16:32, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  How tall is it really? 

message: How many stairs you must run from the first floor to the last floor? --Melly42 (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stairs 

message: The total floor area is given, but there is no footprint information. The ratio of the two may also be a point of comparison for tall buildings.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.220.167.160 (talk) 23:25, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Floor area 

message: most banks and companies connected to either the gambling or alcohol industries are unlikely to receive permission to lease space in a building which is backed by Islamic finance […]
The completed Shard will contain premium office space, a hotel, luxury residences, retail space, restaurants
So presumably the restaurants won't be allowed to serve alcohol?  I don't visualise them doing much business, except possibly at lunchtime. Paul Magnussen (talk) 17:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Restaurants 

message: So... London is going to become a solid color, spotless dystopian city?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.10.11 (talk) 03:54, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And then there's the disturbing realization that Great Britain is not exactly on the forefront of individual privacy and freedom of speech... 216.121.218.135 (talk) 06:54, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mirror's Edge "Shard" 

message: http://www.google.co.za/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=the+shard+london+wiki&oq=the+shard+WIKI&gs_l=hp.1.1.0j0i8i30l6j0i8i10i30j0i8i30l2.13363.14563.4.17853.5.4.1.0.0.0.927.3205.6-4.4.0...0.0.7SV-JJ60ZCk&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=ef3e47e2b0254e7b&biw=1314&bih=606
When doing a wikipedia search there is a continual clear notation saying the building was formally named The Shard and now ALLAH TOWER - is this factually correct ?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.3.106.249 (talk) 16:28, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No. That was vandalism. -- Peter Talk page 21:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Since when is "THE SHARD" re-named  "Allah Tower" ? 

message: Would someone with a powerful telephoto lens be able to take and add a close-up of the jagged top, similar to http://lh4.ggpht.com/_2sBmtiVwifo/SpxkOIXDnkI/AAAAAAAAAUs/iBQqWwTWDvU/s800/The-Shard-London.jpg , which is rather unusual for a new completed building? cmɢʟee☎✉  22:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlikely, without a helicopter! To be honest, I'm pretty sure that image is a computer simulation, it was in circulation several years ago. Sionk (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of jagged top 

message: Photograph of today's trespass on Commmons here. Phantom Photographer (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Greenpeace trespassers 

message: Hi everyone,
My name is Bennett Golder, and I work for Weber Shandwick on behalf of The Shard and the Sellar Property group.  Our client has noticed some inaccuracies within their Wikipedia entry and some places where perhaps some better information could be shared.  Not only is this in my client's best interest, but I think in the best interest of the Wikipedia community as well.  I'm hoping to engage the community of Wikipedia editors to clear up any inaccuracies and do so in a fully, honest and transparent way.  Please do get in touch via my [page] if you've any questions.  I look forward to working with you all!  -BG
General
The Shard should always have ‘The’ as capitalised.  The official title of the building is The Shard; would it be possible for someone to make sure all instances of ‘the Shard’ are changed to ‘The Shard’?  This comes per agreement via The Shard’s Talk page that the building should always be referred to as The Shard (see ‘Its name again’ above).
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Introduction
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‘Its observation deck officially opened to the public on 1 February 2013.[1][14][15]’ – technically, this isn’t quite accurate.  The View from the Shard is not actually the observation deck of The Shard, it is a separate standalone business within The Shard, much like Shangri-La, Oblix, Hutong and aqua shard.  Calling it the observation deck makes it appear to be part of the building, where it is actually a standalone company and tenant of The Shard with its own CEO.  The View from the Shard; London24
‘the Shard is the tallest building in the European Union as of 2013.’ – can this read: ‘The Shard is the tallest building in the European Union.’  I don’t think the qualifier is needed, as The Shard is the tallest building in the European Union.  Plans are in motion for a building to be built that might be taller, but until that building exists, The Shard is the tallest building in the European Union—and is widely known as such (1,2)
Funding
‘In late 2007, the gathering uncertainty in the global financial markets sparked concerns about the viability of the Shard.’ – would this not be more accurate if it said, ‘…about the viability of the project.’  Using ‘The Shard’ implies that the building itself wasn’t viable, whereas the only question of viability was whether or not the project would get off the ground.  Just a thought!
‘…the property developer Barwa Real Estate’ – could this include the modifier ‘…the Qatari developer Barwa Real Estate’? Reuters
‘In 2009, the State of Qatar consolidated its ownership of London Bridge Quarter, including the Shard, through the purchase of the private Qatari investors' stakes.’ – it would be more accurate to say ‘, including The Shard and The Place’, as the State of Qatar owns most of LBQ, which includes both major properties.  Architects Journal
Architecture
three restaurants (Rainer Becker's Oblix and Aqua Restaurant Group's Hutong Aqua Shard); this should read:  (Rainer Becker’s Oblix, Aqua Restaurant Group’s Hutong and Aqua Shard).  Big Hospitality.
Tenancy
Al Jazeera should be removed from the list of potential tenants and perhaps a new sentence could be added at the end of this sentence that reads something to the effect of:  'On 17 July Al Jazeera announced it would be moving into The Shard to open a new flagship studio.  This follows the 12 July announcement that News Corp would be relocating all of its UK businesses to The Place, next door to The Shard’. Evening Standard; Telegraph
A couple more points on the tenancy that might make this section a bit more accurate.
Perhaps something like this could be added in to fill out the tenancy section more:  Floors 34 - 52 will be occupied by the new Shangri-la London, which will include 202 rooms and several restaurants and bars. Hospitality Interiors.  The five-star hotel was originally to open in summer 2013, but opening has been delayed until Q4 2013. Building.co.uk
Floors 68-72 house The View from the Shard, the viewing platforms which were opened to the public on 1 February 2013.  Design Week. Telegraph.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Btgolder (talk • contribs) 09:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Some of these are not a problem, and I can get on them right away. Thanks for providing extra sources. However, the stylized name with a capitalized "The" strikes me as problematic – no other skyscraper article uses that form in its main text. We can mention that it is officially stylized like that in the lede, but In the main text it just looks ungrammatical (no doubt readers would wonder why we didn't capitalise every other use of "the" in the text...). Thanks for your suggestions, though. – Michaelmas1957 (talk) 02:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I've made several of the suggested improvements, and added a note for the official capitalising of the name. Will do some more later. – Michaelmas1957 (talk) 02:44, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

text: The correct measure of the height of a building is the height of the building itself (AGL), not the height above sea level (AOD).  If AOD were to be used, every building in La Paz would be over 10,000 feet high.  The height of the Shard quoted by the CTBUH website, 306m, is presumably approximately correct. Paravane (talk) 16:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The latest plans from 2011 show the AOD at the base of the building as 4.3m, and the height of the building as actually 305.059m AGL.  It seems most likely this is the correct height. Paravane (talk) 17:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

text: At level 95, you would be stood on the topmost piece of steel at the tip of the spire.  The number of storeys is, in common usage, the same as the number of floors, either 72 or 87. Paravane (talk) 16:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
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message: I propose that Southwark Towers be merged into this article. I think that the content in the Southwark Towers article can easily be explained in the context of the Shard. Furthermore, its article is nearly a stub, and unlikely to grow longer. In fact, Southwark Towers is only notable because the Shard replaced it. Furthermore, a lot of the information included in the Southwark Towers page is already included here under the "Planning" subsection under "Background".  User:WoodElf 12:54, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose - two completely different buildings.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Oppose - two completely different buildings plus Southwark Towers is notable in its own right because of the Peachey Property case and also that it is the tallest building ever demolished in London. Dormskirk (talk) 16:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

text: Oppose - per Dormskirk. CookieMonster755 (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Merger proposal

message: The diagram above on this page only shows 87 with 72 habitable floors.D3RP4L3RT (talk) 00:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  95 floors??? 

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message: Hi all. I know this has been discussed before, but I can't see any real conclusion or consensus and feel the height of The Shard needs to be discussed again. It is listed on probably the two most credible and respected sources - The Skyscraper Center (CTBUH) and Emporis at 306m. The only sources used in the main article to support the 309m height is skyscraperpage and various articles, including a link to The Shard's own website. But I would suggest the Skyscraper Center and Emporis are better sources to use than the skyscraperpage (and appear to be the sources used on articles rated 'good', such as One World Trade Center) and better than news articles which often use the AOD height and not AGL height. I'm not saying skyscraperpage is wrong, just that given both The Skyscraper Center and Emporis list it at 306m, this height should be used in the article to avoid confusion and possible inaccuracies, unless skyscraperpage can be shown to be correct. 
Additionally, it is listed on The Skyscraper Center and Emporis as having 73 floors, not 95. Though I appreciate it has 95 floors to the very top for viewing, I would again suggest going by these two sources for referencing purposes and it will more accurately reflect how many floors can be properly used.
Also, the article says it is the 111th tallest building in the world (incidentally, the Wiki article this links to has it listed at 306m), yet The Skyscraper Center lists it as 93rd tallest. 
So my suggestion is to change the heights to correspond with those of The Skyscraper Center and Emporis. Many thanks, --LegereScire (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Height and floor count 

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message: I understand that there is no end of competition and arguments among the builders of supertall buildings, so I'm interested in the statement that there are 95 storeys but only 72 are habitable. Are there actual unused floors above 72, or is it assumed that every ten feet (or whatever) of spire equals a floor. Thanks for any info!! PurpleChez (talk) 14:20, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  storeys 

message: I've heard the Shard has a complicated system of partially double deck lifts and you have to change lifts at some floor to get to the top. Would it be possible to include a graphic that shows which lifts serve which floors, or is such information available somewhere else on the web? --188.102.50.223 (talk) 01:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lift system 

message: The article The Shard says it is "the fifth-tallest building in Europe".
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I don't know which is wrong, but they can't both be right.
Please determine which is right and correct the other one.
47.139.41.246 (talk) 04:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is the Shard the 5th or 6th tallest building in Europe?