Wikipedia talk:Concordia/Archive 2

message: Shall we? --Osbus 20:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: yes, it is getting a bit long - • The Giant Puffin • 21:50, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right, it's our first archive! I used the subpage method because I hope our talk page will become very, very active. --Osbus 23:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Computerjoe's talk 08:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. --Osbus 13:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Um, it would be better to let conversations become dormant (for at least a week or so) before archiving them.  Archiving an entire talk page actually makes following the discussion more difficult, rather than less so. -- Visviva 05:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  archive talk page 

message: Civility barnstar
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What do you think? Computerjoe's talk 09:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: V. nice - but I can't read latin ;) Ian13/talk 09:44, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Looks great but I can't read it either... – Tutmøsis (Talk) 14:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  LMFAO, you do realise it's a Lorem Ipsum I was just using to demonstrate? Computerjoe's talk 14:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

text:  Was that an insult? Tut tut. You're not getting a Civility Barnstar from me. No sir. </sarcasm> --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?) 15:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  haha... no insult, just stating the obvious. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 01:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Intresting, so does this say anything in particular or just made up? It looks quite good when someone says something nice in a different unreadable text. I wonder why? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 21:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's all made up phrases. Designers use it to test layouts because it takes the focus away from waht the text says and puts the focus on the design. (^'-')^ Covington 07:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The user chooses the text. Computerjoe's talk 07:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's great and I can think of one editor who deserves it already. I'm sure it will be positively received as I had two nice messages from editors working on Homeopathy where I placed  after reading the talk page. There is definitely support out there for this civilty campaign. Gilraen of Dorthonion AKA SophiaTalkTCF 15:15, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Looks good but can the language be in English? --Siva1979Talk to me 19:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, and it will be. Read the conversation above and you will see: " is example text used by designers, meant to take the focus off what is written and focus more on the design." —    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 06:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Sometimes you see an editor remain  civil in the face of  goading by other editors. This is something that should be recognised and rewarded as it's one of the key qualities of a great editor. Civility has it's own policy which is quoted a lot - so why not it's own barnstar? SophiaGilraen of Dorthonion 09:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civility barnstar 

message: The Civility barnstar has been sent as a proposal to WP:BARNSTAR. It is visible here. Computerjoe's talk 19:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sometimes you see an editor remain  civil in the face of  goading by other editors. This is something that should be recognised and rewarded as it's one of the key qualities of a great editor. Civility has it's own policy which is quoted a lot - so why not it's own barnstar? SophiaGilraen of Dorthonion 09:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civility barnstar proposal on the [[WP:BARNSTAR]] page

message: Created a redirect page Community Justice instead of writting "Wikipedia:" every time in the search box. Anyone object to this or does a policy exist that "wikipedia:" pages arent allowed to have redirects? I personally never heard of such a thing and created a couple such redirects for various other pages in the past. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 14:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: WP:CJ has existed since January 12th. - Pureblade | Θ 15:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Better have two than one, if you forget the shortcut, you now can just type "Community Justice" in the search bar. I see no harm in that. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 20:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I beleive that it is policy to retain namespace notices in redirects. IE: All Wikipedia: namespace pages must have WP: in front of them. All articles in the article namespace, with no prefix, have to be valid encyclopedic articles. - Pureblade | Θ 02:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, though I have seen policy redirects in the main space. Computerjoe's talk 08:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of any of these. Links? - Pureblade | Θ 15:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Assume good faith Computerjoe's talk 15:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'm having trouble finding any policy forbidding redirects to namespaces or a policy demanding notices to be used in redirects... can't find it in Help:Namespace or Help:Redirect. So would some be kind enough to show me where this policy is stated so that I might know for future reference? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 21:44, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Cross-namespace redirects are contrary to policy and should basically never occur.  I've deleted the redirect. Kelly Martin (talk) 01:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Sorry for creating the redirect and I won't remake it. I still want to know why namespace redirect shouldn't exist. I'm beating this into the ground because this times aren't the middle ages and "something is wrong because its wrong" answers don't satisfy me. So care to ellaborate why namespace redirects are "contrary to policy"? – Tutmøsis (Talk) 02:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: To reduce the chances that some poor reader will warp their way into policy cruft. It's also part of avoiding self reference. --Gmaxwell 02:10, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's mainly because the article namespace is meant only for encyclopedic articles; things that contribute directly to the goal of publishing Wikipedia. The namespaces exist for that purpose: to seperate Wikipedia infastructure and inner working and the encyclopedic content released to the public. - Pureblade | Θ 02:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's contrary to policy, why does Assume good faith exist? Shouldn't that be deleted too? —    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 05:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it should, but it's rather old and kind of grandfathered in, in the sense that nobody really thinks it's worth it to delete; that doesn't mean that creating new article space-to-project space redirects is a good idea.  -- SCZenz 08:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: Isn't "Community Justice" also the name of a notable government organization in the state of Oregon?  If so then I don't think a redirect would be possible.--TBC???  ??? ??? 07:52, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: It would be possible if theres no page on the government organisation - • The Giant Puffin • 20:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What if someone would like to create an article on this gov. organization? I don't think a redirect of is necessary, unless we all too lazy to type WP:CJ. --Osbus 20:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the replies I think I got the general idea now. Sorry for my persistance. – Tutmøsis (Talk) 01:58, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: I recently joined Community Justice and commend User talk:Computerjoe on this creative, warm and critical initiative. There is no reason for conflict if effective, friendly communication is present by both sides. Communication = understanding, understanding = respect and tolerance. At the very least parties can agree to disagree with a smile.<P> I am presently coordinating a team of civil advocates for my RfC addressing personal attacks and harassment by user:woggly. I welcome you to be a member. Simply read the RFC lodged against me by user:woggly and the RFC which I have filed against her. It's really simple stuff when all of her personal attacks and my (and others) various attempts to resolve any issues are in black and white Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Woggly. Please also view the talks pages where Woggly admits to harassment and infers that she will not cease. Thank you for your time and consideration. Best wishes, IsraelBeach 10:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggesr if anything, you use WP:AMA. We may provide opinions, but the organisation will not actually get involved, beyond civility warnings! Computerjoe's talk 13:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, representing members isn't our thing. We can hand out civility warnings though. --Osbus 15:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was rather hoping that CJ would take a slightly more active role in these sort of things. However, if the group doesnt want to, doesnt harm if I take a look at the RfC - • The Giant Puffin • 17:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: At the current time, the group itself doesn't offer advocacy or mediation. This, in time, may change! Computerjoe's talk 18:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The council will... decide... Computerjoe's talk 09:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it will be decided by the council once the council is set up - • The Giant Puffin • 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, here's another thing for your council to decide. I'm pretty sure Misza13 suggesting another  editor needs to be slapped does not fall in line with Community Justice goals Rx StrangeLove 23:50, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this show that the "community" is powerless if it does not have internal consistency? Ansell 01:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I can't say I agree with Cyde's motives but I wouldn't go as far as to say that he deserves a slap. —    nathanrdotcom (T • C • W) 06:20, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: By any chance is this humour over an attack? Computerjoe's talk 07:56, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Methinks this is humour...let's not get our knickers up in a bunch. --Osbus 23:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My edit was an attempt at irony firmly based in good faith. I think the organisation has a great goal, but the way it is going about it seems to have some flaws, as I pointed out. Ansell 23:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We're not talking about your edit...at least, I'm not. --Osbus 02:36, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, let's assume good faith and say it was a joke, I'm not sure how joking about hitting someone and  fit together on such a heated page. He is consistently uncivil on that page, I'll leave it to you guys to decide what responsibilities your members have to promote civil debate.   Rx StrangeLove 03:49, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil Team Re: RfC Woggly 

message: :Moved from the front page below the civil warning tags. Ian13/talk 19:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of people seem opposed to warnings on the whole, though they are necessary. Not all incivility are personal attacks. Some times it's just generally being unpleasant. Civility tags, amazingly, do not provoke as unlike NPA warnings they do not make threats. Computerjoe's talk 19:28, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do people dislike these templates so much? They do not attack anyone and are not aggressive. They are generally useful in several situations and I support their use in appropriate cases - • The Giant Puffin • 19:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Allow me to add my SUPPORT in this. I feel they are quite useful in appropriate cases. --Siva1979Talk to me 19:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Since the introduction of  our civility warnings have been used 50 times. Not bad, IMO. Computerjoe's talk 07:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If by "to be the peacemakers in the process, even if it means bending over backwards to do so" you mean we should take a more active role, I'm with you there. But I still think the templates can play a role in things - if it is a small one, so be it - • The Giant Puffin • 08:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: SCZenz has changed  and . I'm fine with the modifications - are you? Computerjoe's talk 08:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People who aren't fine with it can edit them—this is a wiki and all!—although you might want to consider whether the contents of the template are going to be accurate when people use them as intended.  I assume you didn't mean to imply that Community Justice "owns" the civility templates, Computerjoe, but you might want to be careful with your language in that regard. -- SCZenz 08:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, no, I didn't mean to imply that. I realise anyone can edit them, I was just asking for feedback - as if we work together as a group to change it the improvements will probably be better. Computerjoe's talk 08:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

text: They look fine now - • The Giant Puffin • 12:18, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Civil tags 

message: So the council is elected. I pass on my congratulations to everybody who got a seat, and my condolences to everyone who didn't - especially Dr Mahogany. Computerjoe's talk 07:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Council 

message: I've started the page for the next meeting (WT:CJ/M/1) but I'm just asking when people think it should start? Computerjoe's talk 18:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ASAP i suppose, or as soon as all the council is aware of the results - • The Giant Puffin • 19:20, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This time, we ask non-councillors to contribute in the discussion section. Why only non-councillors? - Pureblade | Θ 19:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This will aid straw polls and such. Esperanza have their council meatings on IRC but I feel it impratical as our members are spread throughout the world. Computerjoe's talk 20:09, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Unless I'm doing something wrong Mac OS X users can't access IRC channels - I get a error message telling me websites begining with IRC are not supported. If anyone knows how to get this working please let me know. Sophia Gilraen of Dorthonion 20:44, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think you need to download an IRC client.  See List of IRC clients.  I never got this working completely myself, so I can't really recommend one. -- SCZenz 20:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Yep. I'll do the agenda tomorrow. Computerjoe's talk 20:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Can one of the items on the agenda be the impending/not impending name change? --Osbus 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Most certainly. Computerjoe's talk 06:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It's my way of archiving. WT:CJ/M is the first meeting, M1 second, M2 third etc. feel free to change it. Computerjoe's talk 15:35, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Next Meeting 

message: Trying out some new takes on the userbox, as I'm not a huge fan of the CJ logo (nothing personal, CompJoe). I'd like to try out icons that seem to be in the spirit of the project; this time, I tried a globe icon, as the Wikipedia community is global in nature. Any comments? Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 06:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice. BTW, I only made part of the logo. Computerjoe's talk 06:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm. Then, should I say that it's only partially personal? Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 07:50, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Where's the obligatory tea cup? Only kidding - looks good. Sophia Gilraen of Dorthonion 11:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New userbox 

message: I think that banning users seem a bit too harsh... Not b/c they don't deserve it (I assure you I think they sure as heck deserve it!) But b/c we have a chance to help some user become more civil. So instead of banning some user using probation (Where a couple of users would monitor the user in question's edits and constantly remind him/her to be civil) Now for one second think about this and how well this will work. As for the opposite choice if the user in question does not want to take probation the shall have to be permabanned from CJ. Any input on this matter?? (It's currently being voted for in the CJ meeting) Mahogany
:I added probation as a valid thing. Computerjoe's talk 15:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Joe, I'm just trying to get the members to add their thoughts to the issue Mahogany
Probation is a great idea...however, if necessary, suspensions of a limited time should be used. So far, I feel that no users have deserved suspensions. --Osbus 21:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Possible punishments for uncivilty.... 

message: Per IRC discussion with Computerjoe, I agree to being put on probation and leave the formal details to him. Misza13 T C 20:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The user will be on probation for 14 days, I shall personally supervise this. If the editor is incivil on one of these days, they shall the banned for the remainder, for example if the incivility was on day 4 they'd be banned for 10 days. In this period, they should not edit a CJ-related page. If there is extreme cases, the editor will be expelled. Computerjoe's talk 20:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I personally oppose probation, however I would support a block (for 4-7 days) on IRC to the next person in this debate who feels it necessary to continue. (Note - I aim for an IRC ban, and not on CJ pages). Ian13/talk 21:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On that note, I'll immediately unwatch this page so I don't feel it necessary to keep adding stuff to my edits. —    nathanrdotcom (Got something to say? Say it.) 21:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Probation

message: When the next voting happens can I be alerted about it. I would have said that I would carry on being a councillor the last time in voting but I didn't get anything to do and I see things have changed. --[eddie] - pure ginger 14:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: 6 months. Computerjoe's talk 15:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am confused not just by what you just said but by the Timeline graph as it says I'm a Councillor. --Eddie (talk/contribs) 07:19, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: IN 6 months the next voting will take place...and you were councillor before the elections. --Osbus 15:08, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Councillor 

message: I'm not 100% sure if this is the kind of situation you tend to work on, but would Community Justice be interested in helping to improve civility, fairness and dialogue in the Cuba article?  If so, I'll spare you my speil (: ~Here is Talk: Cuba (also see archives), RFC. Feel free to contact me via my talk page!  I have this on my watchlist. Myciconia 02:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just to point out we do not offer advocacy nor mediation. Computerjoe's talk 17:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Buena Vista! 

message: I've closed WT:CJ/M/1. Minutes coming soon! Computerjoe's talk 17:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For reference, I can confirm that I have accepted the role of watching User:Ethnopunk on probation, and that I have reinstated him as a member on the members list. Ian13/talk 17:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meeting 

message: Can I thank  for creating the timeline! Computerjoe's talk 18:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool, except I don't get it...there are 8 councillors? --Osbus 20:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nvm I'm being stupid. --Osbus 01:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: It confuseed me untill I looked at it longer. Its a shame I'm not a Councillor anymore. --Eddie (talk/contribs) 07:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nice timeline, good job - • The Giant Puffin • 08:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I can understand it that way lol - • The Giant Puffin • 12:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ohhhh. That was what totally confused me. I'm like 'January 11th 2006?!' But now it makes more sense :) — Ilyanep (Talk) 16:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: I've published the minutes for the second meeting at Wikipedia:Community Justice/Meeting 1. Computerjoe's talk 19:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: On the whole, I think that the meeting went over fairly well, although there wasn't much direction for the future. There were a few things to look forward to (namely, the barnstar and a vague plan with Esperanza, which currently has its own issues to deal with), but that was about it. Seems to me that there still isn't a lot of goals other than a general "We promote civility," which, to me, was something far more important to address than questions of probations, newsletters, and name changes. Thanks for putting together the minutes. Tijuana Brass¡Épa!-E@ 01:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, as ever we need to find things for the future, but we are open to suggestions... :) Ian13/talk 08:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm seeking permission off WP:BRFA for CJBot to have it's permissions increased to deliver CJ newsletters. Computerjoe's talk 15:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks for putting together the minutes - • 
The Giant Puffin • 08:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry I didn't manage to help out too, my DSL connection goes abit haywire when it's wet. Ian13/talk 09:09, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Minutes Available for Second Meeting 

message: We need to decide our goals and how we will fullfill them. What I understand now is "We promote civility by adding templates and messages to talk pages". 
I think we need to expand on that. --Osbus 16:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. I'm in the progress of sending a newsletter. Also, I'll contact CP. Computerjoe's talk 17:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: BTW, join our IRC channel! Computerjoe's talk 17:20, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The newsletter's really awesome...thanks to everyone who created it. --Osbus 19:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed, though I found the newsletter a bit too big, twice the size of other newsletters. Could we try to reduce the size? --☆TBC☆ 20:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I liked the size, but maybe its because of my tezt size. I found it very informative and it looks great. Good job to the people who created it. Thanks - • The Giant Puffin • 20:17, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure. Next time. Computerjoe's talk 20:18, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to say good job on the newsletter. I think it's great and explains what's going on. T. J. Day 01:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Same here. Nice work, you all. (^'-')^ Covington 23:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  after the meeting... 

message: I'd like to edit some of the templates but when I attempt to do so, I am redirected to a different template. When I try to edit civil1, it redirects me to civil3. What's the reason for this and how can I edit the templates, in particular civil1? T. J. Day 01:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When you edit civil3, you are also editing civil1 at the same time. In other words, civil1 and civil3 are the same template (anyone correct me if I'm wrong). And I don't know the reason for this, its odd and should be fixed. --Osbus 02:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  currently redirects to .  To edit civil1 itself, you'd have to go here.  (See Wikipedia:Redirects.) -- SCZenz 03:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I dunno why this is so. I've reverted. Computerjoe's talk 10:13, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Editing templates 

message: Community Justice Newsletter
{| width="100%" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="5" style="vertical-align:top; background-color:#e7fde7"                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   	Welcome
Previously, various notices regarding Community Justice have gone out to our members; though this is the first actual newsletter. This issue will contain information regarding decisions made on the first meeting, our new council, and more...!
If you wish to unsubscribe to future newsletters, please add your name to Wikipedia:Community Justice/Do Not Spam.	
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Following our first elections, a new council has been elected.Computerjoe and Ian13 remain as chairman and chief executive (respectively); while Eddieh, Wiki alf and Xchrisblackx are replaced as councillors by Ilyanep, Osbus and Covington. The Giant Puffin and Pureblade remain as councillors.                                                   	
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In the last meeting, the conduct of 4 members were discussed. Ethnopunk will be put on probation, supervised by Ian13, if he/she is uncivil during this probation, he/she will be expelled from WP:CJ; the same was decided for Misza13 (voluntarily), and his probation will be supervised by Computerjoe. No action will be taken against Computerjoe.	
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The Civility Barnstar which our member's have designed has been sent to Barnstar and award proposals. We'd appreciate your feedback!
Also, we are planning to make a Community Justice barnstar to give to hard-working CJ members. If you're a budding designer, consider trying to make it, then post your proposal to WT:CJ!                        	
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Thank you for your time. If you need anything, feel free to comment at WT:CJ or come into our IRC channel .
Computerjoe wishes to extend his thanks to User:Robchurch, a non-member who assisted in making  redundant, as well as Misza13 for his continued support and to the whole of this and the previos council.
This newsletter was delivered by CJBot, written by Computerjoe, with technical help from Misza13. Computerjoe's talk 19:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Community Justice Newsletter 

message: ...perhaps? - • The Giant Puffin • 19:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yep. Computerjoe's talk 20:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. (^'-')^ Covington 23:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: I was reading the above discussion for "historical interest", and wanted to know if the situation was resolved. I don't want to lose any members...if it isn't I suggest opening it up again. --Osbus 20:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Pretty much resolved with the permanent blocking of some involved users/socks. I'm going to ask you not to call it a nathanrdotcom, it's slightly uncivil. Computerjoe's talk 20:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: All right. --Osbus 20:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Contact the blocking sysop. Computerjoe's talk 21:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I am looking into it, but there is autoblock links to suggest a sockpuppet. It was an autoblock, becuase they use either a shared IP or an account was recently blocked from their IP. Ian13/talk 21:14, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think this edit is very civil - • The Giant Puffin • 21:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Indeed. I have expelled the user from CJ until the council can make a decision. Ian13/talk 21:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we expel Cicero Dog unless he makes a statement defending himself should he want to return. After making the statement, we will change expulsion to suspension. After suspension is probation. After probation, we hopefully have a productive CJ member. --Osbus 00:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

text: I note only that the comment above was made by 88.110.198.242 and this edit. Sorry, but I'm well past assuming good faith here. --Pak21 21:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  comment