Talk:Eric Berne

message: I just discovered that Wikipedia needed this article. While I've tried to maintain NPOV, I must confess that I knew Doc Berne, and was a guest at several parties at his home in the late 1960s. So I've asked for someone to review this. While I'll try to avoid any edit wars, I will speak out for a generally favorable view of this sometimes contriversial genius. Lou I 19:59, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)
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message: In the further reading section, it would appear that someone has partially removed a reference to one of Berne's books.  If there are no objections, then I will put back the missing text in approximately one week.
Nbahn 21:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Further Reading" section 

message: The only reference I can find from Timothy Leary's writings on Eric Berne is
a remark in his biography Flashbacks suggesting that Berne himself
took Leary's ideas on Game Theory and T.A. and popularised them with, Games People Play.
See Flashbacks (1983), page – 196.
Berne's first paper outlining his ideas on T.A. might be traced back to 1958, with Principle of Transactional Analysis.
I can't root out any earlier papers/books on actual T.A.. He did publish a lay person's guide to psychology in 1947, but this doesn't contain any writings on T.A.. Leary's similar, Interpersonal Diagnosis of Personality, was published in 1957. Berne's introduction of the PAC (Parent Adult Child) concept wasn't used by Leary. I've read a great deal of Leary and I can't find any reference to it.
Leary delivered his introductory key speech on Game Theory at the International Association of Psychology in 1961 (p.46 Changing My Mind, Among Others). Berne's, Games People Play wasn't published until 1964. I can't find any references to Game Theory by Berne predating Leary's key speech in Copenhagen.
Several people see Leary as being Berne's influence on Game Theory and T.A. 
Some examples:
https://mises.org/library/libertarian-psychology
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/obituary-timothy-leary-1334884.html
http://scotto.org/listing.php?id=178
Leary co-authored The Interpersonal Dimension of Personality in 1951, outlining the idea of the four Life Positions. The first guide I could trace to Berne's use of the four Life Positions was published after his death (1970) in 1973, in, What Do You Say After You Say Hello? I've gone through his published papers on the Eric Berne archive web-site and I couldn't find anything on the four Life Positions, AKA Life Scripts.
Leary describes introducing the concept of group therapy in 1947-48, in books like Changing my Mind, Among Others (pp. 5-6). In comparison Berne proposed a book to a publishing house on group therapy in 1954 (Berne Archive).
There's plenty of evidence to suggest that Leary influenced Eric Berne, but none to suggest that Berne influenced Leary. I'm left wondering why someone has placed Leary's name in the 'Influenced' box. So I've decided to remove the name. 
 
To sum up: both men seem to have worked on similar themes around the same times. Neither credit each other for their ideas, however, Leary always appears to be slightly ahead of Berne, when you compare the dates of published papers & books.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.78.80 (talk) 09:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Eric Berne did not influence Timothy Leary 

message: Substituted at 14:35, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment

message: Please replace picture of book with a picture of a new book or at least one that isn't dirty. I don't see any reason to include the price of the book in 1960's dollars. That makes the book seem trivial. 
Thanks
Benvhoff (talk) 02:04, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of "Games People Play" book