Talk:List of diver certification organizations

message: External Links should be kept to a minimum per WP:LINKS. Please avoid links that are not necessary. - Gr0ff  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.193.216.216 (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  External Links 

message: In your opinion what kind of organizations can be inserted in "Technical diving Nitrox training organizations" section? I mean: are some trimix and decompression diving courses enought? (eg. FIAS) -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Technica diving 

message: It is a dissolved organization. Can we remove it? -- Basilicofresco (msg) 12:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: YMCA SCUBA

message: Following the AfD's recommendations to clean up the list by limiting it to notable organisations and by removing external links in the body of the text, I've started to pare down the list. I'll place here a list of what was removed from the section Other diving related organizations, so that if any of the organisations below acquires sufficient notability to have an article and meet the selection criteria, it can be re-instated. --RexxS (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post-AfD cleanup 

message: * Active Divers Association
* AISI- Association of Italian Diving Enterprises (http://www.assoimpresesub.it)
* ADI - Advanced Diving Instruction 
* AUC - Alberta Underwater Council (http://www.albertaunderwatercouncil.com/)
* BFDC and North Carolina SCUBA/Wreck Diving
* Chicago Aquanauts Scuba Association
* CK - Camps International Diver Training for Schools (http://www.campsinternational.com)
* FRO - Frontier - THE SOCIETY FOR ENVIRONMENTAL EXPLORATION (http://www.frontier.ac.uk)
* GLACD - Greater Los Angeles Council of Divers
* Global Vision International - Diver Training combined with marine conservation (http://www.gvi.co.uk/)
* GODIVECYPRUS - Cyprus Diver Training (http://www.godivecyprus.com/)
* HSA International [Handicapped Scuba Association] (http://www.hsa.com)
* IADRS - International Association of Dive Rescue Specialists (http://www.iadrs.org)
* Malta Professional Diving Schools Association
* National Association of Black Scuba Divers (http://www.nabsdivers.org/)
* New York State Diver's Association
* Recreational Divers Association
* SSC - Subaquatic Society of Canada (http://www.subaquaticsociety.ca)
* UKSDMC - UK Sports Diving Medical Council (http://www.uksdmc.co.uk)
* USDDA - United States Dental Diving Association, Inc.
* Yomps - Diver Training all over the world and also marine conservation (http://www.yomps.co.uk)
--RexxS (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other diving related organizations 

message: The current name is List of diver training organisations. 
The lead paragraph states This page lists notable SCUBA diver certification agencies. These include certification in cave diving, commercial diving, recreational diving, technical diving and freediving. Diver certification agencies are organisations which issue certification of competence in diving skills under their own name, and which train, assess, certify and register the instructors licensed to present courses following the standards for the certification they issue.
Most commercial diver training includes surface supplied diving, the restriction to scuba conflicts with inclusion of commercial diver training to some extent, it also excludes free diving. I suggest removing the constraint to scuba diving in the lead. 
The lead also specifies certification agencies, as opposed to training organisations, and the content appears to be consistent with this restriction. The title should be changed to List of diver certification agencies (or organisations} to give a more accurate description of the content, and to discourage addition of training organisations which do not themselves issue certification. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:30, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Peter, I have three comments.  Firstly, I agree that the focus should be on the broad topic of underwater diving rather on just scuba. Secondly, I support the inclusion of the word certification in the article's name as this is already used in a number of articles (& categories) used within the Underwater diving portal.  Thirdly, the layout of the article is not most convenient.  I would suggest reorganising the sections as follows;  move 'Recreation' to the top of the page and move both 'Commercial' & 'Scientific' down the page to just above 'International Standards'. Cowdy001 (talk) 20:16, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change name of article? 

message: *B.C. College of Diving (BCCD) (http://www.bccollegeofdiving.com/) (confirmed by e-mail they certify through DCBC) • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 20:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of commercial diving schools. 

message: I think it is necessary to provide citations, specially for the organisations that do not have a Wikipedia article (they would already be referenced). This may not be easy, and I would prefer not to eliminate organisations just because they are small or new. I suggest that any one of the following criteria should be considered reasonable reference unless there is evidence that it is not genuine.
#Listing by EUF Certification International (http://www.euf-certification.org/index.php?id=6583&no_cache=1)
#Listing as a CMAS affiliated federation
#Membership in a coordinating standards organisation such as WRSTC
#Registration by a national government (as in France)
#Listing by a national or international sporting body as a recognized certification agency
#Other evidence of notability as accepted on Wikipedia, and evidence that certification has been issued in the name of the organisation, that is has published training standards, and that it has registered instructors.
External links to the organisation's website should be part of the citation and only used when they link to pages providing evidence of eligibility for listing here:- Links to training standards, statements of membership in international organisations, statements of national authorisation etc.
A statement on the website that certification is internationally recognized is virtually meaningless on its own.
 
Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:12, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree with providing citations for organisations without an WP article. I noticed that the CMAS or EUF numbers are being added to the article; I think these should also only be added to organisations without an WP article, otherwise the article will became too cluttered.Cowdy001 (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I assume you mean listing, not article. Fair enough. Feel free to remove the redundant if I miss any. Those numbers should probably be moved to the articles if not already there. I have made the assumption that membership in the CMAS Technical Committee implies that a federation issues certification, otherwise not. Do you know if this is correct? I am working my way through the CMAS federations, which is easy but tedious. The non affiliated organisations will be more difficult, but also tedious. So it goes. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 11:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Membership of the CMAS Technical Committee, as far I am aware, includes the option of issuing CMAS certification on the proviso that the National Federation's standards are aligned with those of CMAS.  I can, at a later time, update articles for EUF members who have received EUF accreditation.  I think the 'non affiliated organisations' should be considered on the basis of merit (i.e. are there any reliable sources?). Cowdy001 (talk) 03:12, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure, lets see what we can dig up. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 08:38, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi Peter, I have done the EUF edits but I am having problems with an editor named User:ConcernedVancouverite who considers my edits to be original research.  Can you please have a look and get involved if necessary?  Cowdy001 (talk) 02:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Hi everyone,  Recent edits to the entry for an organisation called "Apnea Total" have been undone twice after an anyonomous edit had added the words "Freediving Organisation and Education System" on two occasions.  The "Apnea Total" website was visited twice to confirm that "Freediving Organisation and Education System" is not the organisation's proper name but rather an internal description of what the owners of the organisation consider it to be.   As the article is a list of organisations sorted by their diving certification specialities, the inclusion of this description is both not appropriate or necessary.   Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 03:42, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apnea Total 

message: I've now removed the entry for "Professional Technical & Recreational Diving (PROTEC)", based in the Seychelles, three times. The CMAS list of federations at http://www.cmas.org/federation-list makes no mention of them, but they are claiming to be "affiliated to scuba divers federation seychelles", whose website lists them as one of 9 members. That is far short of the recognition required by other certification organisations that are on this list. Per the consensus above, we should be listing only those organisations that have recognition from well-know standards bodies, such as CMAS, EUF, WRSTC, etc. --RexxS (talk) 02:20, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Professional Technical & Recreational Diving 

message: I have just undone edits re the two organisations listed above in the Subject Line.  I will write to the responsible editor to remind them again of the requirements for adding content to the article.  Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 02:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, and I've also commented at the editor's page, as this is the second time they have tried to push their organisation. They don't seem to have taken any notice of the message I left last time. --RexxS (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  ISTC  and World Divers 

message: The following is for the record.   A person associated with an organisation called International Scuba Certification (ISC)added ISC to the list.  I made contact and pointed out that a "citation to an independent reliable source" is required and the reply was that ISC has a EUF certificate.  I suggested that the EUF certificate be placed on their website and this could be used as the "citation".  This has been done - please refer https://www.diveisc.com/iso_euf_certificate. Please refer User talk:110.20.246.239 for more information.   Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 10:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  International Scuba Certification