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message: When was this song released? Was it on an album, or just a single? Seems like it was a hit, since I remember it from Mtv. Why can I find no mention of it? -Freekee (talk) 05:45, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The song was released as a single by Hoodoo Gurus off the band's 1991 album, Kinky.  The single reached No. 3 on the Billboard Modern Rock Tracks chart in that year.  An opportunity exists to create a separate article on the single.Dan arndt (talk) 03:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It entered the Australian singles charts (ARIA) on 3 March 1991 stayed for 14 weeks to peak at #19 (their highest ARIA chart position for any single - "What's My Scene?" (19851987) may have charted higher but was released before ARIA regulated Oz charts). See Australian Charts. According to Discogs it was preceded by "Castles in the Air" and succeeded by "The Right Time" (1993) but Australian Charts lists "1000 Miles" as charting on 9 June 1991 (reaching #37). It was released by BMG in Oz and by RCA in US. Faulkner is quotable on this single at Dave Faulkner "Pop and Punishment" BTW, APRA lists the single's registered title as "Miss Freelove 69" (no apostrophe). Likewise "What's My Scene" (no query). I'm intending to trawl Gurus albums / EPs pages adding refs & info, then I intend to get their significant singles wikied and so expect to eventually get around to creating a Miss Freelove 69 if no else has done so by then. You (or anyone else) are welcome to start the page before.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:09, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Miss Freelove '69

message: Not sure about Singles order: RateYourMusic has different order e.g. "Good Times" before "In the Middle of the Land" (other differences too), I don't use Discogs order: I think they sort by year and then alphabetical (not strictly chronological). "What's My Scene" should be wikilinked. "Miss Freelove 69" (no apostrophe) according to APRA (I know the single cover does have the '). Likewise "Like Wow Wipeout" (no dash, no comma, no exclamation) as registered with APRA. Obviously aliases are listed for these titles. I've just read wiki's page on EPs and Hoodoo Voodoo may be long enough to qualify as an album! But best not go there?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:19, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The order of issues of the singles I took directly from the Hoodoo Gurus webpage, which list the date of release and the title of the single. I am begining to have doubts as to whether the APRA details are correct and whether for their purposes don't include dashes, commas, exclamation marks etc purely for ease of referencing as the title listing on the actual releases does show dashes, commas and exclamation marks.  As for Hoodoo Voodoo appreciate the edits - feel that it is in good enough shape to be an article proper now, abeit it could only be classified as a 'start' class. Dan arndt (talk) 02:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Does the HG website give Oz only release dates? Were there any singles released OS not Oz? Re: APRA: Did a couple of quick APRA searches (i) "Don't they know it's christmas?" (apostrophes and query are shown); (ii) "Son of a gun" gave most as searched but HG song as Son-Of-A-Gun (dashes shown); (iii) "Tequila!" most don't have ! but at least one did. So I'm not sure if they're consistent with their usage rules or not.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The HG website/discography only appears to give the Oz release dates.  May have to check the actual record company release details (apart from that it is just pure detective work).  As for APRA I have changed my views and am going to go with the song titles that are listed on the actual releases (more detective work - have to check the album and single sleeves). I agree with APRA not being consistent and therefore not a good reference point to use (apart from identifying the song writer).Dan arndt (talk) 06:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Changed order of Singles on HG Template: "Axegrinder" before "Another World" using Faulkner's list in his Pop and punishment article.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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message: This article is quite good.  Some improvements include expanding the lead; see WP:LEAD for suggestions on how.  All claims need to be cited.  The Formation and the Gurus regroup section are a little choppy and the single sentences need to be combined into paragraphs.  Good work. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Review

message: I deleted two of these. The lyrics link is redundant: Hoodoo Gurus official website has more lyrics and is sanctioned by the band. Link to Australian Encyclopedia of Rock & Pop article appears to be broken, obsolete or not easily accessed: I tried a number of times over the last few days to get in but no show.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk • contribs) 03:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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message: Looking good, I think you can go for it soon. Quick thing I spotted was a lack of prose (ie mostly quotes) in the Persian Rugs section. Fix this and go for it! :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 10:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted one of the quotes and incorporated the guts of it into a part sentence on Kendall James joining Persian Rugs, hope this helps. I left the other quote which gives Faulkner's rationale for forming Persian Rugs and then for reforming Hoodoo Gurus.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:59, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "as special guests with the Bangles". Needs a ref. Some links in the Lead are repeated in the text.--andreasegde (talk) 09:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Bangles tour ref supplied. Further background: Hoodoo Gurus and The Bangles were to be co-headliners on the 1986 tour but "Manic Monday" was charting so well (eventually #2 in both US and UK) that tour organisers relegated Hoodoo Gurus to "special friends" / support band status. The Bangles did backing vocals on two songs on Blow Your Cool! (1987) and member Vicki Peterson, recorded backing vocals on some subsequent albums (this information is reffed on relevant albums' own articles) including recent release Mach Schau (2004).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:48, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
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message: I have seen a few like this: "[16][1]". They should be turned around.--andreasegde (talk) 14:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: References

message: * First of the lead goes into an unnecessary amount of detail, it's supposed to be kept simple
: The first sentence should just say who, when, where - their rise to fame should be mentioned later
: Dave Faulkner (originally from Perth) - what significance does coming from Perth add to the lead?
: Sometimes referred to as the Gurus, Shouldnt this be added to the first sentence? Killswitch Engage as one of the many examples
: The second paragraph of the lead is an unnecessary list of chart positions, i suggest removing the entire paragraph to inly include their top chart positions
: strong original compositions - is WP:POV and should be cited to the person who said it
: by the impressive guitar work of Shepherd. - per above
: The last sentence of the third paragraph is basically a better summary of the second, so i suggest removing the second paragraph of the lead
* Dave Faulkner and James Baker of The Victims;[13] while Baker had been with Roddy Radalj - what does everyone play?
* WHy is there a random quote stuck in the section? Surely it can be merged into text
* punk rock linked twice in two sentences
* Le Hoodoo Gurus were notable for having three guitars and no bass player, creating a distinctive, layered sound - a wiki (last.fm is not a reliable source)
* Simon Townsend's Wonder World, Do TV shows go in italics?
* they then backed a man and his singing - poorly written
I'll stop here for the moment. M3tal H3ad (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lead has been re-written in accordance with above. More refs inserted. Formation re: who plays what added; quote incorporated into prose with ref; last.fm ref deleted.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:41, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 1

message: * Hoodoo Gurus were their best - according to whom?
* their string of widely acclaimed pop-rock - is written more like a magazine article, widely acclaimed may also be over doing it
::Deleted best and widely; fixed sentence.
::Restructured ARIA Hall of Fame reference to the Hoodoo Gurus bio (pdf format) prepared by Mark Pope on behalf of ARIA and not just the announcement of their induction (which cited a small section of the full bio).
* .[4]. remove extra fullstop
::Done
* amusing their witty and clever tunes - POV of the author
::Replaced with quote by Mark Pope of ARIA on the induction announcement & bio.
* Rendall left in 1982, just prior to the release of "Leilani", -> Rendall left in 1982 before the release of "Leilani",
::Restructured this sentence. Moved the IMDb ref to cover his music video & film directing.
* and went on to become a noted music video and film director - the reference says "Just before the single came out Rendall left to concentrate on a film career." Doesn't say anything about music videos or that he became a "noted" director, which also would be an opinion
::Changed sentence and ref (as noted above). Changed "noted" to "award-winning": Awards are listed in his IMDb entry.
* Radalj was not happy with Rendall's leaving or Faulkner's greater influence[16] and left the Gurus to be replaced by ex-Fun Things guitarist Brad Shepherd, who had been Bramley's flatmate[19] and in The Hitmen and Super K. - sentence drags on a bit
::Changed this whole sentence, hopefully it reads a bit better.
* s for 7 weeks - seven, numbers less than 10 are generally spelled out unless referring to a chart
:Done.
*popularity rapidly expanded - "rapidly" can be considered POV
:Deleted rapidly.
* an unusual video clip - unusual according to whom, i may view it as normal - is this part about the video clip even necessary? seems quite pointless to me
::Deleted "unusual", but I've kept the rest of the statement describing the video clip: it is referred to in many sources but I can't recall immediately one to supply a ref here... I'll keep working on this.
* Kingsmill's brother Richard Kingsmill is an on-air presenter for the Triple J network. What relevance is this? I must of missed something
::Deleted the sentence.
* This time tThe title was a twist on a B Grade movie
::Restructured this sentence: should read better.
* although they continued producing music through the mid to late 1990s - This sounds POV like the band just turned bad in the 1990's and kept putting out bad albums in contrast to the "peak of popularity" 
::Should be better now.
* Billboard 200 - Billboard 200
::Done.
* The albums reaching - reached
::Done.
* including one for broadcast by MTV America - confusing
::Restructured, should be less confusing.
*included dates in Europe, America and Australasia including Japan for the first time - try remove repetition
::Done.
* Based on their extensive touring of America, the band gained a solid following in the U.S. with regular exposure on US college radio (and later MTV's 120 Minutes) and even developed a big fan base in Brazil. references req'd. 
::Refs supplied.
That concludes part 2. M3tal H3ad (talk) 06:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think I've covered the majority (except "My Girl" video & significance of the dog).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Part 2

message: I don't have time to add it at the moment, but here's the article if anyone wishes to add it, I can't see anything on it in here or his article. Sad to hear. All the best to him. k.i.a.c (talktome - contribs) 06:52, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brad Shepherd is battling cancer 

message: The band name merits some discussion, even in passing.  Meaning, etc. --Mareklug talk 02:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name origin? 

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