Talk:Ryu (Street Fighter)/Archive 1

message: Does anybody know where's the source saying that Ryu in Street Fighter 3 is as strong as the Satsui no Hadou?Dark Rain  —Preceding comment was added at 03:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryu's power in Street Fighter 3

message: I moved this page because there is another Ryu in the video game word - Ryu Hayabusa of Ninja Gaiden. WhisperToMe 23:15, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That sort of trivia is better on one of the Street Fighter pages than Ryu's page, since the Hadouken isn't unique to just him. Virogtheconq 08:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

text: True, but Dr. Light was dressed up like Ryu (with the bandana) when you were awarded the move.--Yewyew 07:20, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move

message: Ryu's red hair is his younger version, and his brown hair is his older version. --Zachkudrna18@yahoo.com
Not only that, his hair was black in the Street Fighter 3 games.
but original hair color of ryu hair is brown.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.27.175.146 (talk) 20:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hair Color

message: Where in Street Fighter canon does it say that the fabled blow Ryu delivered to Sagat was a "cheap shot," or a dark Shoryuken, or that he'd lost to Ken when receiving the headband? Second time I've seen questionable twists on known Ryu history. Where also is being captured, brainwashed, and rescued in canon? Is all this referring to some sort of Street Fighter Alpha series ending? If so, I haven't noticed it in either of his first two in those games. Does this instead refer to endings for Ken or Sagat? If that's the case, I don't think the version of events in their stories can necessarily be considered the official background for his (Sagat is even reported as saying in Street Fighter Alpha 3 that the dark Ryu is not the one who gave him the scar). Changing this to what's strictly known as canon unless these matters are verified.
Ryu received the red headband from Ken in Ken's SFA/SFA2 ending. The "capture and brainwash" part comes from Ken, Sakura, and Sagat's SFA3 pre-Bison battles. The Street Fighter II animated movie is not part of SF canon, therefore the "Shoryuken/Hadouken" finish isn't applicable. The Street Fighter Plot Canon Guide, derived from the book All About Capcom, contains everything that was put into the character entries on Wikipedia. DarkSoldier 05:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources? 

message: Why is the list of sources at the bottom of the page constantly being removed? Nawara Ven 04:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Sources List

message: Why isn't there any stuff about Evil Ryu in this page? Or would it make sense to have a separate Evil Ryu profile on wikipedia? He is after all a separate character in some Capcom games. Doom jester 13:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have merged said "alter ego" into the article. -ZeroTalk 03:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alter Ego

message: I was just curious - are the mangas that claim they have a relationship canon, notable? If they are canon and notable, their relationship is not trivia. If only notable, then it must be mentioned that a notable manga makes the claim. I mean, Mario mentions the events of the movie (if it doesn't, it should), despite not being canon. The reason being is that the movie was notable. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Since there was such controversy about its content being mentioned here, I'll probably just create a separate article about the manga soon to go along with all the other Street Fighter story entries, but I'm glad that the fact that a friendship does indeed exist between the characters ended up in the article anyway. --James26 03:17, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I also never mentioned that a less heated resolution to this argument was reached elsewhere. -- James26 07:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ...Canon? 

message: This page's vital stats differs from the Japanese version's... is it possible that one set is his SFA proportions, and one is his SFII proportions? 222.2.137.193 05:54, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: vitals/proportions

message: Ryu attacks faster than Ken. This has always been their main difference.
Suggesting that Ken is faster than Ryu because he does more hits or because he "bounces faster" is extremely misleading. Of course, no one can dispute that Ryu does more damage with single hits in his special attacks, but this does not make him stronger. It just means he does damage in single hits. Please make this clear. Nawara Ven 04:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm afraid this just won't do. Since an failure to reach an neutral point of view is conveyed in thae article, I'm afraid removing it altogether is the best course of action. We don't do power scaling in wikipedia. -ZeroTalk 12:07, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if I fully understand you here, Megaman Zero, pardon my ignorance. I don't know what you mean by "power scaling", or how we're doing it. All I'm concerned with is accurately reporting which character executes the same manuver in less time. There's not really any opinion involved with that. Nawara Ven 14:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're not ignorant. Please don't insult yourself like that, I think you are clearly editting in good faith. I did not mean to sound oppressive. Regarding this, I've already removed the information, I was referring to. Upon furthur inspection, I think we may have been talking about different lines of text. :) -ZeroTalk 14:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Ooooooh okay, there it is, I saw your edit, we were "arguing" about different lines entirely. Ha. I've just been edgy that an anonymous user keeps switching Ken & Ryu's info around, hence I made a point about it on the talk page. Keep up the good work, MM0. Nawara Ven 15:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryu vs. Ken's speed

message: *Capcom officially sanctioning an anime does not make it canon, they've said so explicitly.  Check Tiamat's Street Fighter plot FAQ.  It's irrelevant. Danny Lilithborne 20:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Satsui no Hadou is not the "Dark Hadou" nonsense that the Alpha movies drone on about. JuJube (talk) 05:36, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually it is. Dark Hadou is just an alternate translation of the Satsui no Hadou/"Evil Intent". Jonny2x4 (talk) 19:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not an alternate translation, it's a wrong translation. JuJube (talk) 19:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Evil Intent" (used in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3) is also a "wrong" translation. "Murderous Intent" (or "Hadou of Murderous Intent"), which is used in 2nd Impact and Alpha 3 is much closer to the actual meaning of Satsui no Hadou. Either way, we should acknowledge it instead of deleting it, especially considering "Dark Hadou" is also used in UDONs adaptation of the Nakahira manga. Jonny2x4 (talk) 01:25, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: God, are you serious?  The more I hear about UDON the less I like it.  Anyway, I know "Evil Intent" is wrong too, but it was used by Capcom of USA, as compared to Dark Hadou which at least was.... x_x only used by a non-canon movie.  But that's out the window now. Goddamn it... JuJube (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm not a big fan of UDON either. The way they write their Street Fighter comics is like a marriage of the localized versions of the games with second-hand/third-hand knowledge of the original Japanese versions, which is just as bad as "fan canon", like having a character named "Charlie Nash" (why not used "Ryu Hoshi" and "William F. Guile" while they're at it). It would be okay if they kept their "Udonism" in their own comics, yet somehow they managed to throw their "Udonism" in the Nakahira manga titles too. At one point, Chun-Li refers to Ryu as a "Shotokan warrior", even though they clearly state several times that Ryu's martial art is a nameless one which has its "roots in the ancient arts of assassination". Its very distracting in my opinion and annoying in my opinion, but I disgress. Jonny2x4 (talk) 04:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't even think you know what you're saying. JuJube (talk) 15:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the fact that I am without a doubt older than you didn't speak for itself, "than give argues" does. JuJube (talk) 07:04, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I read the SF4 ending.  There's absolutely nothing in it even suggesting a blood relationship between Ryu and Gouki, so you can shut up now. JuJube (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not even sure what you want.  Have you read about Wikipedia's original research policy?  Because this is exactly what this is.  If you insist on keeping this up I will have to file an RFC. JuJube (talk) 07:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop mentioning Alpha Generations 

message: Having everything related to SF, I've read Ryu's page and I am surprised to read that he was supposed to be using Kyoukushin in SF1. Unless someone proves it with certifiable sources, namely pictures and/or text that I don't have (doubtful), I think it is utter BS (IMHO) and a vandal act. Capcom Japan never intended to have him (or Ken) to be followers of a certain school, but universal characters instead. --Kim Kusanagi 19:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where does it say that Ryu used Kyokushin? 

message: ...are needlessly confusing.  Please keep the canon storyline to one unified section, please.  And BushinGuy, stop reverting the pages because you like your way better. There should at least be a discussion before a major overhaul in format. Danny Lilithborne 00:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I was the one who broke it up into sections, because it seemed the best way to explain where these various pieces of story were coming from. Please don't remove the headers without somehow indicating that such-and-such story is from SFII, such and such story is from SFA, and so on. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:43, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, then, A Man In Black, the reason it's confusing is that one story can and often does retcon another.  Capcom's released various guides relating to what the storyline is, canonwise, so splitting it into sections is not necessary and can actually cause confusion in a reader. I'll leave the headers alone while this is in discussion. Danny Lilithborne 00:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I was hoping to move out of the universe and handle it in a chronological-by-real-world-games order, mentioning the retcons along with the games in which they are introduced. That said, I'm not attached to that order, but I want to make sure every version of the fights is described and label retcons as such. A good example of what I'd like to do is Justice Society of America, a long-running comic that has been retconned and retconned and retconned again. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 00:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Storyline sections... 

message: Why is the normal Ryu pic removed? T-1000 21:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What makes you presume we require it..? -ZeroTalk 21:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It shows how Ryu looks in game. As it will not prevent people from buying the game. It falls under fairuse. T-1000 02:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a decorative fair use image, which is a (mild) no-no, plus we already have another Ryu sprite. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:23, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: In that case, the more recent pic should be used, and the SF II sprite should be removed instead. T-1000 02:31, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Ryu Pic

message: *I like this infobox.  It doesn't have height or weight.  Those items of information have become disputed, and I really am sick of it.  I propose using the CVG general infobox for all the Street Fighter characters. Danny Lilithborne 11:37, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: I am curious about this. If Ryu just keeps traveling all over the world, focusing solely on self-improvement, where does he get the money for his normal life ( and travel fee as well) ? Anyone knows?
Well, according to the non-canon movie and tv series, he is a con-man. DeathGodDragon EDGE 01:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: What does Ryu do for a living

message: I've always been curious about Ryu's age im guessin by third strike he's like in his early twenties?--Cojin 00:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age 

message: Hey im just wondering, where do you get this info from saying Ryu is the archtypical fighter of any other fighting game series. You realize that is very wrong, he is just a normal fighting character that was invented first in any other fighting game series. I must edit that.
*Pick a random fighting game from the late 90s.  Chances are good they'll have a guy in a karate gi probably wearing a bandana. JuJube 01:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  His Popularity 

message: I keep reading things about Ken defeating ryu in the second and third tournament. Both these issues were unconfirmed (especially the third tournament where Oro originally defeated ryu and no confirmation has been made if ken fought ryu in both the 2nd and 3rd tournaments). There is also a short note of ken defeating dan for taunting him wrong or something on ken's article...there hasn't been anything stating Dan ever met ken or ryu so I dont know where people keep getting this info (unless it's "original" research (IE fancruft)).--Neofcon 21:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: I believe Ken fans have over run these articles

message: the section "Street Fighter II to III" has to be revised. First, it can't be said "Ryu (...) easily defeats many of the new warriors". Easly? How do they know? Where are the facts? Second, I don't understand the need of a paragraph speculating if Ken beat Ryu just because of a promise he made to Eliza (presuming -see?... a presumption again- he is a man of word and has to keep this promise).Newsblade (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Revisions need to be done

message: Whats going on?--Neofcon 19:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple images flagged in a week? 

message: It should be noted, as I'm assuming it has been done before, that Ryu's fighting style is canonically *Shotokan*. This information is found in the instruction booklets from all games, as well as the UDON Street Fighter comics which are officially liscenced and are considered canon. The fighting style "Ansatsuken" was created via fan fiction in an unofficial storyline that was never endorsed or published by Capcom. This fighting style rumor has spread across the web through various personal Geocities-type webpages, and continues to be propagated and ending up on Wiki's. It should also be noted that Akuma is also a Shotokan fighter, as this "Assassins Fist" nonsense was made up by the person who created this webpage: http://members.tripod.com/~Streetfighter_3/index.html and is not in any way related to Street Fighter canon.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.186.147 (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, you're wrong. Thank you, drive thru. 71.110.2.111 01:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

text: He's right, but for the wrong reasons. Ansatsuken is not the name of Ryu's fighting style, but merely  a generic term used to describe any martial art made for killing . Ryu's style is an unnamed fictional one. Its not even a true "ansatsuken", since according to the backstory Ryu's style is a non-lethal variation of the original "ansatsuken" learned by Gouken. Using "ansatsuken" to describe all the Ryu/Ken-types in the series is completely misleading in my opinion, since only Akuma uses a killing style. Jonny2x4 (talk) 21:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Shotokan VS Ansatsuken

message: - The information "which Ryu briefly gave in to his intense desire to win" part in 'SFII Movie' section should be removed. Why? Those words give us the idea (in an implicit way) that «he wanted to win desperately and he submitted to satsu no hadou AT THAT PRECISE MOMENT and pwned sagat». We can't say that, we have no clues. The truth is that when this anime was made (1994), the "retcon" about how Ryu defeated Sagat in an improper way didn't existed. Besides that, creators of the movie were only basing this story in SF1 (fighting with Sagat) and SF2-SSF2T, the only facts that existed until that time. Only after alpha series "'evil ryu' or 'Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryū' thing" was created.
- Another thing: The zero or alpha only appeared in 1995 (a year later) and were based on "the animated movie", not the contrary (see characters design, final stage of Sagat (Australia), etc. It doesen't have elements of SFzero/alpha series, the movie GAVE elements to those games. (it should be more explicit, that SF2movie was a great influence in latter games, more than the other SFanimes.  Newsblade (talk) 13:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Street Fighter II Movie

message: I don't think Zero/alpha series could be considered canonical. It brings a mixture of many characters “unrelated” with main SFseries (ex: Final Fight, Capcom Fighting Evolution, Dead or Alive – hmm… no, this last one is from EX series) – see? the same thing appends with EX series, so what’s the difference (beside one game being better than the other)? Why one is canonical and the other isn’t? They were booth published by Capcom… and both are spin-offs imo. (This doesn’t mean they didn’t influence the SF canon witch I believe they did. But the only games that should be canonical for story line are the main series (SF1 through 4). Alpha is more like a parallel universe - a possibility to play with all SF (and non-SF) characters and see with whom they interact (or how some would interact if still alive/present).  Even if we consider a part of storyline… with Yun (sf3) in alpha's character list (see SFa3-gba) where do we chronologically place alpha series? Before SF2 or before SF3? Newsblade (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Alpha 2 and 3 did happen, and took place between 1 and 2. Yun's appearance is a "what if" scenario. JuJube (talk) 03:00, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Should alpha series be part of SF storyline?

message: *The anonymous vandal rampaging through other video game articles raises a good point.  Is this section really necessary?  It goes into painstaking detail about storylines that aren't even relevant to the character in question, since they have no bearing on canon.  I think the section should be removed. JuJube (talk) 23:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alternate stories 

message: Well,I read the Guile Article and the Alternate storyline Wasn't there you hypocrit!
Hey!He's Right!I just read It and it wasnt there!!!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warbringer47 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Note To User Jujube

message: Ok, if you ask me this section doesn't explain a lick of his personality. I think it should be improved.--Neofcon (talk) 03:14, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Personality

message: Why isn`t any information about Ryu`s weight and height added?These two info are part of a character`s data!I`m disappointed that you wikipedians who edit this article hasn`t added this small but vital information to this article!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Warbringer47 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Note from Warbringer47

message: Would it be considered trivial to include the other cameos that Ryu has done outside of the Street Fighter series? He appears in the following CAPCOM games: Plasma Sword -in a character's ending, Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams -as an alternate costume, and Varth: Operation Thunderstorm -in the background. Just wanted to know. Sake neko (talk) 00:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other Appearances

message: I like the image of Lara Croft in her article that shows her evolving appearance through different games. Anyone think a similar image here would be a good idea, I tried to make on myself, it could be left as it is or modified, what do you think, comments? IMAGE HERE 
Carlwev (talk) 05:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: What is the order chosen for "in orther media" section?
It should be in chronological order: SF2animated, SF(film), SF2v and then SFcartoon.
Or if you want a story order (but I don't think it is possible, because only USfilm and UScartoon are related): SFfilm, SFcartoon | SF2v, SF2animated 213.63.2.46 (talk) 12:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  In other media order 

message: "When Ryu first appeared in the original Street Fighter, Ryu still had his gi, but he wore a white headband, had red hair, grey eyes and wore red slippers. In the Street Fighter Alpha series, Ryu now has auburn hair, but still has the white headband, which harkens back to his appearance in the first Street Fighter"
If we can distinguish his red hair (in SF1) from his auburn hair (in SFalpha) we should also distinguish his grey gi (SF1) and grey headband (SF1) from his alpha white gi and white headband.
compare: 
[Ryu in SF1] http://www.sfgalleries.net/art/sf/sprites/ryu.gif 
[Ryu in Alpha] http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/BadAss2961/Ryu.gif 
[Ryu in Alpha like he was in SF1] http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8330/8ryuar9.gif  
[Ryu's portrait in SF1] http://www.sfgalleries.net/art/sf/series2/ryu.jpg 84.90.24.156 (talk) 00:37, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryu's colours in SF1 

message: According to the Japanese Wikipedia, Ryu's original surname in SF1 was supposed to be Ryu Takegami. Anyone care to verify the exact source for that? Jonny2x4 (talk) 05:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryu Takegami 

message: "In Street Fighter Alpha 2, he receives his red bandanna from Ken (which was originally used by him to tie his ponytail)."
The truth is that this information comes only from a SFz2 ending  (Ken's) and in SFz3 we don't see Ryu using it. Instead we continue to see Ryu using the white bandanna and Ken using the red one like Ken's Sfz2 ending never happened (not all endings happen in SF games). Saying that I think this information should be removed. 84.91.227.228 (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red bandanna 

message: I mentioned in the actors section that Kyle Hebert would be portraying him in SFIV. Why was it deleted?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero 004 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Kyle Hebert

message: *All of that is original research and speculation and does not belong in the Wikipedia article.  See WP:OR.  Neither the Evil Ryu ending, nor the Akuma CvS2 ending, qualify as sources since they're not canon, and even if they were, drawing the conclusions that you do from them is synthesis on your part. JuJube (talk) 18:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  To IP re-adding stuff about Satsui no Hadou/"next Akuma" 

message: This comment and information is for Jujube who repeatedly deleated my information i gave regarding Akuma and Ryus fight.  First and foremost,  Evil Ryu is not a 'What if' character.  He's the real deal.  He appears in a number of games and atleast 2 animes.  He's story is inner turmoil and dark power rising in Ryu, and he being unable to control it.  Theres a difference here...'unable'.  Whilst Akuma submitted willingly.  This information is given by Capcom and you can check.  Ryu is a character who represents the good side to the full.  He doesnt fight to kill.  He fights for enlightment and to get stronger.  This is evident from his wanderings and he's comments he gives after a fight.  Akuma whilst possesing the dark hadoi and originally submitting to it willingly, isn't nessasirily evil.  I read the original street fighter alpha manual  and at the time capcom mentioned that he made a pact with the devil and later even killed the devil.  He seeks opponenets who are strong not weak.  For what?  In the hope that someone will be strong enough to defeat him.  He is constantly asking himself this question "where can i find the one who can defeat me."?  And as you will be aware since you mentiond Street fighter canon then you will know why he urges Ryu to fight him using The ark Hadoi?  Simple... 1 reason so they can fight to the death and perhaps Ryu is that man who can defeat and release him, because Ryu is the only one with the dark hadou like Akuma.  Check out the new anime trailer for street fighter 4 aswell.  Akuma calls Ryu a coward amongst other things for refusing to submit to satsui no hadoi {evil ryu} and fight Akuma.  He says further that Ryu will follow his teacher Gouken into the bowels of hell for his cowardice.  Which angers Ryu and he attacks again... in what?  he's normal form.  Akuma senses Ryu's power but its the dark power that can ultimately defeat him, which he so badly wants Ryu to bring out.  Otherwise there are quite a few strong people out there like Oro, Ken, etc but Akuma knows and senses that none of them are equal to satsui no hadoi.  My friend this is not me this is Capcom themselves and the events that have taken in games etc.  It was Ryu who defeated Sagat not evil Ryu who submitted to dark power as has been mentioned.  This is evident in Sagats ending in Alpha 3 when Sagat himself mentions it.  Oh and character endings give alot of insight into where the story is heading, and a charcters story and impact.  If you think its not canon then nothing is canon.  We should disregard  everything like Ryu walkin away into the sunset,  Ken marrying Eliza etc.   I think you will get some of your answers in street fighter 4.  which brings me to my final argument.  Evil Ryus ending in alpha 3.  Now we know that they didnt fight in Alpha 3 but i mean how ignorant can you get?  Evil Ryu will become the next Akuma 'if' he defeats him, he hasnt defeated him yet.  I didnt say he did.  I meant evil Ryu will become the next Akuma once he defeats Akuma in he's Evil Ryu form.  But as i mentioned Ryu doesnt want he's dark power to take over And become like Akuma.  On the contrary, he fights he's dark power.  Ryu will beat him but Ryu wants to do it in he's normal form.  The fact of the matter is Akuma's fight with Ryu will be the fight to end all fights...or will be 'THE FIGHT' which is why capcom avoid it for the time being too keep the tension and sales rising, aswell as gamers expectations and attentions.  They have had 1 face off not a proper 1 and Akuma destroyed the island.  Which shows he's strength,  and Ryu's for that matter as Ryu defeated him in that bout.  In the history of Street Fighter only a handful of fighters keep on training and advancing their style, and try to get stronger.  And Ryu and Akuma are 2 of the few.  Akuma does have an edge as he does show once in a while what he's capable of in various endings of various games.  so you are telling me that none of these endings are true or canon as you say?  look at the outcome you get when you defeat either ultra Rugal or Shin Akuma, they both become stronger.  but who do you reckon will win in a fight out of rugal or akuma to reach that conclusion we see at their demise?  Thats like putting 2 and 2 together!  Come on you know who Akuma is, you know what he's been through, defeated Gouken,defeated Goutetsu, although that has never ben proven as they both just simply dissapeared.  But they both were no pushovers thats certain.  They both were capable and stronger than Akuma.  Forget even that, look at what Akuma has done in training as i mentioned earlier.  Case closed...till the next time you make a comment then...my friend.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.169.214.13 (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: tl;dr.  Seriously, this is nothing more than the usual unsourced hash from Akuma fanboys. There is virtually nothing in the above paragraph that is not synthesis based on non-canonical material. Capcom has STATED that the only time Evil Ryu EVER existed was in the end of the first Street Fighter tournament. "It happened in Alpha 3" is invalid also as most of those endings Did Not Happen Dot Com. And then you mention Rugal which solidifies how this whole rant is devoid of merit and goes right back to tl;dr territory. To put it succinctly... you're wrong. JuJube (talk) 22:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

text: Read Wikipedia:No original research. That's what this entire screed is - it's theory based off of what happens in other games, there's no sources that state that your conclusion (that Ryu is the next Akuma or whatever) is outright true. Fan speculation don't belong on Wikipedia, period. NeoChaosX  (talk, edits) 20:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Street Fighter series  added more information on the reason for Akuma's fight with ryu. An explanation. 

message: Yo you people are still at it?  You still qustion the obvious?  Ok now Capcom dont have to scream repeatedly the story line to you they will just put the story in the game wont they? duhh?  Why is it so hard for you 2 to understand the bleeding obvious?  And no i dont like Akuma or Ryu im just stating the obvious.  A story is told repeatedly in games,animes,comics yet you still question it, and yet say that Capcom didnt mention it?  Look, Ryu is the main protagonist/hero of the game check?  He is one of the few characters along with Ken and Chun li and maybe just maybe a few others as the reason people come to buy the games check?  Ken is described as his friend and rival but not as strong as him. Ryu is the one who wants to avenge his teacher not Ken.  Akuma sees Ryus anger and wants to milk it for what its worth by bringing it out.  In the form of the dark hado.  Akuma knows full well that Ryu is powerful otherwise he wont fight him.  Oh and Capcom said this, want me to quote?  He seeks opponenets who are strong not weak.  And that ending in street fighter alpha 3 ...are you people for real or what?  I didnt say it happened...its what will likely happen if Ryu starts fighting to kill and uses the dark hado.  He will start to say "where can i find the one who can defeat me"?  Look you people need to re-read your street fghter facts again.  Some things dont need to be anounced repeatedly you just have to put 2 and 2 together its what the games are released for.  YOU NEED TO BE EDUCATED IN STREET FIGHTER?  OK COOL FIRE AWAY ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AND I WILL ANSWER THEM.  OH AND CONFIRM IT WITH CAPCOM IF YOU THINK IM LYING.
WTF are you talking about, anonymous nobody?--Kim Kusanagi (talk) 19:20, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  ANSWER JUJUBES AND FRIENDS QUESTION 

message: I guess for completion's sake it would be kinda nice to list Ryu as a major character in the series comics. There's only a couple that I can think of the top of my head where he wasn't (the Cammy one, Sakura one, and the manga for III). If nothing else, then at least the Alpha II manga or the Udon series where he's definitely a major focus. Sake neko (talk) 11:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In Other Media

message: can you guys add (dark hadou) every time you guys say satsui no hadou in other articles mentioning it?   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 15:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dark hadou and satsui no hadou 

message: i keep hearing capcom pronouncing ryu, "rai-yu". 
but konami keeps calling it "ree yu" (and of course other spin off stories not form capcom). So my question is, what is the correct pronunciation?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I could have sworn it's "ree-you" in the SFIV cut scenes. hateless 17:11, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

text: In respect to Japanese pronunciation, the most accurate way to pronounce his name is "Ryoo" (one syllable).  Failing that (since it's kind of difficult to pronounce), the next most accurate way would be to say "ree-YOU," although, strictly speaking, that would be wrong.  Beforemath (talk) 04:55, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ree-yu or Rai-yu? 

message: I didn't see anything in the history, so I thought I'd bring this up -- Shoryuken redirects to here.  It's apparently the result of being flagged for deletion.  Any opposition to reviving and correcting the old article (especially since the word "Shoryuken" isn't mentioned in the Ryu article)? --Beforemath (talk) 05:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shoryuken redirect 

message: I don't know where did they get that from but that's not the canon. FIx that, or I will.Kim Kusanagi (talk) 04:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Ryu section is horribly wrong 

message: «In the first Street Fighter game, Ryu has dark brown hair and wears a tattered white karate gi with a red hachimaki  (headband) and red gloves». Please correct (it's in the section Character design). 217.129.243.17 (talk) 18:00, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ryu has a WHITE bandanna in SF1, not red as stated: 

message: It should be mentioned that Lyoto Machida is considered to be the "real life" Ryu.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.79.180 (talk) 17:17, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lyoto "RYU" Machida