Talk:Zac Efron/Archive 1

message: This page was unsuccessfully nominated for deletion.  See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Zac Efron for a record.  Postdlf 22:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right that there isn't really a conflict between being Jewish and being Agnostic, so the word "although" should probably be removed. He isn't a Christian believer, however - he is still an Agnostic. Mad Jack 19:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deletion

message: This article has been fully protected for a week and a half, nominally because of vandalism.  I'm switching to semiprotection so that it can be edited by (logged-in) non-administrators. --Tony Sidaway 01:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: *For an example of such, see Talk:Jesse McCartney. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Indeed it seems to have been unprotected, I; m removing the notice. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: oops, already removed by Jossi. ~ c. tales *talk* 04:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Protection must stay, or I'll be too tempted. :) 219.88.216.117 03:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Semiprotection

message: Can we get a picture?PeachGal 04:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I found this one; :Image:Zac-1.jpg,  uploaded by User:Chirchona, but I don't think at it's a non-copyrigthed picture, if it is, we might have more young female visitors on Wikipedia in the future... Pardy 08:42, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not even him, much less a free picture... :-) Mad Jack 17:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I checked the Commons, and this image has since been deleted as being non-free and thus not eligible for inclusion there.  --Ssbohio 05:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Probably not. Unless someone here can take a picture of him themselves, b/c that's about the only way it's gonna happen, unfortunately. -Ebyabe 14:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Not a single one of those images is marked as freely-licensed, thus none of them are suitable for this article to depict Efron.  Please see WP:FU.  --Yamla 19:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that's not him...unless the pictures of him on Charismatic and Z-Efron are outdated...I will look into it. -Sukecchi 10:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It has been looked into. That is Chace Crawford. -Sukecchi 11:08, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: why was the information about drew seely singing for him on the high schoool musical songs removed?PrincessOfHearts 14:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It shouldn't have been. Are you sure its not in there? --Malevious  Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 20:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Drew Seeley(Took Zac's part in HSM) did nto Sing for Zac in the HSM movie/CD. They just blended his voice.Hollister QT 20:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  why was it taken out?

message: * would you mind putting a picture for him in the article, please ? --Sport woman 16:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find one that is freely licensed, we would be quite happy to do so.  All the images we've found so far violate WP:FU.  --Yamla 16:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No, as I already mentioned, we are only permitted to use freely licensed images which do not violate WP:FU.  --Yamla 17:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

text: i really think zac is cool and i tottaly think a picture is needed-71.38.236.253 22:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

text: No.  The uploader of that image has been caught repeatedly making fraudulent copyright claims.  This, too, looks to be a fraudulent claim.  --Yamla 14:38, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

text: What's wrong with the current picture?  Does your suggested replacement adhere to WP:IUP?  --Yamla (talk) 19:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

text: [User:Zac=hot!|Zac=hot!], if the photo you have of him is one you took, or it has a free license, please show us the photo and we can decide if it should replace the current photo. See WP:FU for more info about fair use. --Dan LeveilleTALK 20:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: On the chart, where it says, "Vanessa Hudgens Say Ok" it says he's some randomn guy! He was not, he was VH's love interest in the music video.Happykid536 04:47, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vanessa Hudgens "Say Ok" 

message: I say that we change "going out" to dating, it seems more professional—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.30.184.253 (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article cites a recently published article by a neutral and viable source stating that Efron and Blonsky are dating.  On the other hand, the website you have mentioned is a fan site with a blatently vested interest in presenting Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens as a couple.  Personally, I would consider the source stating that he's now with Blonsky to be much more reliable.—Mears man 16:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Here's the source that states that Efron and Blonsky are in a dating relationship: http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272615140.shtm  It was cited in this article at the time of my previous post, but was later removed.  Since the article in question was published, however, the publisher has called into question whether this relationship exists or if he's still with Hudgens.  Currently, we're discussing how to include this information (and what should be included) below under the heading Relationship Status.  Feel free to contribute to the discussion. —Mears man 17:54, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Word Change 

message: Hi
Is it possible to get a picture from another site? He's a popular actor, there should be a picture somewhere! I've googled his name and there are a LOT of pictures. 
Happykid536 09:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but how many of those are freely-released for us to use no questions asked?  Metros 11:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: No, absolutely not.  See WP:FU.  --Yamla 14:19, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

text: We would if there was one that was freely usable. Almost every image of Efron is all rights reserved and the one that does allow commercial use does not allow derivatives. Evil Monkey - Hello 01:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  No Picture? 

message: There's Two Thing That Are Wrong So Take The Veiw Source Off.Number One:The Replacments is wrong cause when you click on it it shows and band and it's supposed to be The Replacements (TV series).The Second Thing I'm Not Much Of A Barney & Friends Fan but he was In The Show As A Kid Called Carmus.So SomeOne Should Fix That.
:Unprotected, you are free to edit now.  Please ensure you use proper spelling and grammar, though, rather than capitalising random words as you did here.  Thanks!  --Yamla 15:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that was a waste of effort  The article was targeted with an unrelenting stream of vandalism.  I've reprotected it for a month.  I doubt things will be any better then, mind you.  --Yamla 03:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  We Should Edit This Page! 

message: At this time we do not know what religion he practices. He is fully jewish. Yes there is such a thing. I am one.
:All referencers to his religion have been removed per the subject (and his father's) requests.  Do not re-add the information. Cbrown1023 talk 21:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, anything for Zac-sama...although, where was this request made? -Sukecchi 21:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Cbrown, how was this request made and how was it verified? Also, there is probably alot of material folks do not want added to their bios but it is still included. As long as it is properly sourced, it should probably be included. Anyways,--Tom 23:02, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It was made on OTRS, and it was not properly sourced.  You must realize that certain things go above your head. Cbrown1023 talk 23:32, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

text: Hi Martin, I am actually new to the whole WIKI OTRS system. Who has access to it? Who can view it? Again, if this material was not properly sourced in the first place, it should have been removed regardless of the subjects's(or his parents) request. Anyways, thanks! --Tom 00:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It *was* removed previously solely because it was unsourced and untrue.  However, people continued to re-add it and Mr. Efron started e-mailing us about it. OTRS is the way Wikipedia (and the Wikimedia Foundation and its projects) get e-mail.  A list of the people with accounts can be found on m:OTRS/personnel.  The people with accounts have access to and can view/reply to the mails sent there. Cbrown1023 talk 00:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed the ethnicity per above. Hope this was ok, thanks, --Tom 15:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure if there's a consensus reached or not - a discussion was going on below (see section "Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS") Mad Jack 17:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey MadJack, I think his ethnicity was removed by an Admin based on an ORTS ticket and it was asked that it not be added back. I personally have no problem with the material as long as its properly sourced, relevant, and it "fits" with the rest of the article. Pretty much standard stuff. Anyways, I will not revert again but defer to others. Cheers and nice to see you :) - --Tom 18:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The latest addition of it seems neutral enough, and cites the Rolling Stone article. I can't see how Efron could object to that. If he didn't want people to know about it, it wouldn't have been included in the Rolling Stone article in the first place, would it? Just my two pence. :) -Ebyabe 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, the Rolling Stone article only mention his Agnosticism - not his Jewishness. But, Efron's official site does mention his Jewish ancetry, so, your (Ebyabe) point is still valid. (see the section below for all the sources ("Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS") Mad Jack 23:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't agree with him being under :Category:Jewish actors, :Category:Jewish singers and :Category:American Jews. It's misleading, even though :Category:American Jews states "Americans of ethnic Jewish heritage, including atheists born to Jewish parents." --Dan LeveilleTALK 23:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the categories include non-religious Jews like Efron, then I don't see what's wrong with it. Should the article have greater lengths about his agnosticism? миражinred 23:55, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can find notable (cited) information about it, but I don't think it's really that encyclopedic. --Dan LeveilleTALK 00:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Zac Efron#Rephrased following sentence for more discussion on appropriate coverage of this issue. --NrDg 00:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I don't like it either but his Jewish ethnicity is a referenced fact as is his rejection of Judaism as his religion. As long as we classify people by the ethnicity of their grandparents for other ethnic groups, there really isn't a compelling argument for excluding categories related to Jewish ethnicity. --NrDg 23:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Religion

message: Why do the singles list his singles as "Get'cha Head in the Game", "Stick to the Status Quo", "We're All in this Together" and "What I've Been Looking For (Reprise)" when he didn't even sing the vocals in these songs? I know he sang abit in "Breaking Free" and "Start of something new" and so these should be listed but the others should deffinately not. We know his voice wasn't "Mixed" with the other guys voice in any of these songs so I am going to go ahead and delete them if nobody objects by the end of the weekend.
:Um, do you have refereces to back up those claims? Cbrown1023 talk 18:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Singles 

message: Given there is a desire and need for an image, understanding the need for it to be free, and a recent discussion about an OTRS contact by the subject and his father regarding the religious issue, why not combine the two.  What I mean is why not have someone with access to ORTS request an image from the source.  --Jordan 1972 20:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's not really the best course of action. OTRS is not used to solicit images.  "We'll help you if you provide an image of your son..." Cbrown1023 talk 20:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I can appreciate the concern.  It was not ment as a tit for tat proposition, the info had already been removed because of WP:BLP and also per the OTRS request.  Given the OTRS contact to begin with, the subject and family must have *at least* a passing desire to see a good article, which would include an image.  I will defer to your OTRS expertise; plus, if "someone" is reviewing this page, perhaps they will supply a picutre without being asked. :-)  --Jordan 1972 21:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

text: He asked, he didn't complain and say that we "mustn't".  People were abusing the whole thing and no one could find a nice, true, and neutral way to say it.  We do not have any doubt that he is of Jewish ancestry, but is that really necessary information in an encyclopedia article? Cbrown1023 talk 20:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, one's formative influences and background are extremely important. If I were to ever have an article, I would fully expect my Irish ancestry to be mentioned, not because I have ever been involved in my Irish family in any way, but the very fact that I know I am Irish influences the way I look upon the world. I am saddenned that people have been abusing his article though. What about saying in "Early life" something like, "Although of Jewish descent, Efron was raised in an agnostic household"? We could integrate it with that bit about beinga  kiddle class family and reference it with the stuff listed below. WOuld this be ok with Zac's dad? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It could be mentioned in "personal life", a section that at this moment seems very, very thin (and perhaps should be removed altogether at the moment, as it houses only one piece of information that could probably just be moved to personal life). But I agree with Dev920, if Efron's own official site has no problem mentioning this information then it's hard to see what the problem is. Noting celebrity ethnicity is a fairly common practice, i.e. Leonardo DiCaprio, Imelda Staunton, George Clooney and Zachary Quinto as four fairly random examples. Mad Jack 16:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Even Efron's official site mentions that Efron is of Jewish descent (so did the Elle article ). The recent lengthy Rolling Stone article/interview mentions that he had an agnostic upbringing  (there was a source that mentioned that beforehand ). Both of these facts are clearly backed by WP:RS. Mad Jack 16:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Ok, I did add a thing. It's neutral, it's sourced, and if Zac's father contacts again to complain I'm sure we can come to an arrangement, no? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 08:47, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for Picture and Contact via ORTS 

message: Wasnt  him being in "Footloose" just a rumor? Danielh8675 17:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't bother, it's a hoax. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Pup Named Scooby-Doo: The Motion Picture --NrDg 02:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Filmography

message: Zac Efron is 5'11.
I heard zac is 5-4
I heard he was 5'6. 5'4 is way to short!!! And 5'11 is to tall.
thats wat they say. wth where'd u get 5'11?! he's actually 5'6.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.35.243 (talk) 03:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is why we require verification from a reliable source.  --Yamla 15:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

text: We need reliable sources, guys. --Dan LeveilleTALK 17:58, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Zac Efron's Height 

message: I just noticed that the second reference in the article, Zac Efron Joins Cast of 'Hairspray', can no longer be found.  This is the first time I've ever really come across a dead link that was used as a source, so I'm not really sure what to do about it, but I know I'm not supposed to remove it.  Could someone help with this, or possibly find another source that could be used in this one's place? —Mears man 18:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Expired Reference