Talk:List of countries by percentage of population living in poverty

message: Sweden, Singapore, Norway, New Zealand, Italy, Finland?
There is some data about Finland. The column says < $3.10, the percentage is 13.7. However, the percentage source is about households having income of 60% of median income.
The net median household income in Finland was over 22000 euros/year in 2014 (http://findikaattori.fi/fi/60). The household size was about 2.05 persons per household (https://tilastokeskus.fi/til/tjt/2013/03/tjt_2013_03_2015-04-02_tau_001_fi.html). Therefore the median net income per person is almost 30 euros a day, and 60% of that is 18 euros. The number is obviously totally incorrect.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.128.191.136 (talk) 15:20, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Where is the data for these countries?

message: It is meaningless to use one set amount (in this case $2) as a measure of poverty for all countries.
In most developed countries, if you earn $10 a day, you would be poorer than someone earning $2 a day in some developing countries.  This article doesn't reflect that.
For example, here in Sydney, if you earn $10 a day, you would effectively be living on the streets!  Yet, this article openly classifies people living on the streets in Western countries as NOT poor!
Objection: Living in a clean street, with public lights, crime safety, clean drinking water, medical facilities, civil rights, good clothes to be found, charities all around with $10 is way better than having to support a family of 5 with the same budget in sub-saharian Africa.
Someone needs to update the article to reflect the fact that poverty in the West is actually A LOT higher than suggested by these tables.
Marcopolo112233 (talk) 08:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone agree that the clarification needs to be included?  Can anyone suggest the wording of the change? Marcopolo112233 (talk) 10:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a brief note in the article myself to clarify. Marcopolo112233 (talk) 06:44, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

text: The numbers are adjusted for PPP - 10 AUD a day is very little in Sydney, imagine the plight of someone earning 2 AUD a day. The numbers capture exactly that. Earning 2 AUD(PPP) a day anywhere in the world represents a level of poverty that most middle class people around the world cannot even begin to grasp. I have altered the disclaimer to represent this fact. BusSpotter23 (talk) 12:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: So where is the source that says it is PPP adjusted? Marcopolo112233 (talk) 03:11, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

text: If no-one objects, I will add a brief note in the article to reflect the point I made above. 115.70.84.48 (talk) 05:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

text: Done Marcopolo112233 (talk) 07:25, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Wrong metric to use for measuring poverty

message: Pakistan has dropped it's poverty level by about 5%, to 17%. Please change your data now, thanks!
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=180567  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.29.237.165 (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pakistan is now at only 17% poverty, please change info

message: Why does sources to countries such as Guatemala are still being deleted, the source is a legitimate CEPAL source. It SHOULDN'T be deleted again and replaced by a higher source.
201.218.79.101 (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: because

message: since when Portugal , slovenia even poland and others countries in eu has people living with less 1 dollar? it's impossible...for example in Portugal the goverment gives a salary for people who doesn't have a job... i think this list and map is a bit stupid
It's not impossible from the fact that they're EU members, cause everyone knows that they are the poorest countries in the EU but it's impossible because even in Belarus less than 2% of the population lives in poverty...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.24.250.130 (talk) 21:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Portugal and other EU members 

message: This map is clearly misleading and unnecessary.  It drives towards little conclusive evidence because it has a total disregard for inflation or the cost of living in relation to purchasing power parity dollars.  The map also doesn't provide data for the United States, nearly all of Europe, Australia, Libya and a good portion of sub-Saharan Africa.  The only Map which should be shown is the poverty line map as this Map is misleading on the premise that it does not account for 1 dollar meaning more and attributing more to a country's standard cost of living than another countries standard cost of living.  On that premise, this map is absolutely useless and even harmful.
:Actually, the data incorporates those things, see the source.Ultramarine 17:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Map showing perc. of pop. living on less than 1 dollar per day

message: Strictly, Gaza strip is not clearly a country? --BozMo|talk 13:34, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gaza Strip 

message: Is this self-reported by each government in question or is it relative to some UN / US Government established poverty line?  Might be good to add this info.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.22.104.32 (talk • contribs) 
Good question.  Where are the raw data to back up these percentages?   Number of people (x) living under (y) dollars/total population (z). Total population is easy enough to find, but what are the sources for x and y?  And please don't say y is 1 dollar per day.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.55.57.112 (talk) 04:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Who reports poverty line?

message: According to the World Bank, the population below the poverty line in Mexico is 17.6% not the 10.1% that is listed.  Either way, I don't know why the country is painted that color which represents >40%, it should be colored green.
:When the map was uploaded Mexico was listed as 40%  -- Astrokey44|talk 22:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  dubai 

message: I think there is a strong need to have a column for Poverty line values.  Does any one know any place where such data might be reliably available?
:What would be good is to list in the table what the "poverty line" is for each of the respective places. Add this as a third column. Otherwise (as we can see) the table is confusing. --Tphcm 12:59, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Poverty Line

message: What about Germany, Norway and other missing (European) countries? Why are they not ranked, isn't there any poverty?
:That's called socialism.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.102.78.245 (talk • contribs) 
:: I added Germany to the list. However, I didn't find any English scources so my reference is a German document from the German Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs. This will likely be the reason for other missing (European) countries: there aren't any internet sources in English! Mintaru 11:22, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  missing countries

message: Are these U.S. dollars or PPP dollars? There is a difference, i believe. EamonnPKeane 18:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dollars 

message: I really wonder that who would accept such a non-sense that 18 percent of people in Iran live under poverty line. It means that Iran gained a better rank than Israel or Spain which is impossible and also I dont think that the U.K has 17 percent poverty and the U.S has 12 percent. This ranking needs to be updated.
Iran does really have 18% of poverty, Venezuela has 12% and Guatemala 29%. Maybe you're just being too paranoic and the USA has 12%, Iran has surpassed Spain and Israel and is better than them right now.Cocoliras (talk) 20:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Iran 

message: Pakistan has a population below poverty line of 25% as of 2006..............this needs to be updated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mm11 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pakistan 

message: please, check those maps cuz are wrong and contradictory to the data below them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrewsbury333 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maps are wrong 

message: Can we stick to one single source for the national poverty line table? What good is it if we have a listing saying a country has 15% and 30% poverty rate, or 15% and 5%? Also, the links to the world development indicators site are broken.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbw01f (talk • contribs) 20:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe after they find WMD in Iraq we can rely on CIA info, otherwise I don't see them as putting much effort into coming up with a comparable list here. Deet (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: Why are countries listed in alphabetical order? Why not according to the values one of the columns to the right? --121.44.30.201 (talk) 06:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reordering of countries 

message: I'd like to know why do we use the CIA source for the poverty rate? It is way too biased. Look at Venezuela, the UN and national source put the Venezuela's poverty rate in around 30-32%, the CIA states a rate of 37%, off course they don't want to accept the efforts that the new leftist government has done to decrease the poverty rate. Tony0106 (talk) 01:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, we can't. --JHP (talk) 22:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Can we remove the CIA source? 

message: A discussion has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries/Lists of countries which could affect the inclusion criteria and title of this and other lists of countries.  Editors are invited to participate. Pfainuk talk 11:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Discussion

message: This list needs to be updated with the more recent 2009 figures and the new measerment line of 1.25 a day. --J intela (talk) 23:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Did a new US figure of 14.3% just come out? --THE FOUNDERS INTENT PRAISE GOOD WORKS 17:44, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Update 

message: Why isn't Mexico's UNDP poverty rate source isn't from the UN? It should be on "Other".--Kanzler31 (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexico 

message: The first map (population living with less than $1,25/day) is wrong in which regards to Brazil. Given that Brazil has less than 6 % of its population in that situation, its color in the map should be blue, and not yellow.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.94.199.31 (talk) 18:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brazil 

message: In the second table, Russia and Taiwan have a year listed in a column that should only have percentages. --JHP (talk) 22:37, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

message: I have reverted back to the cited source on the % of poverty in the UK. The information is from the British government website and clearly states that poverty is defined by the Government as ‘household income below 60 percent of median income’. The median is the income earned by the household in the middle of the income distribution.http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons/lib/research/rp2004/rp04-023.pdf.  it should also be noted that this individual has gone to numerous contribution of mine and deleted content, without using the talk paged and based upon his/hers POV.Jacob805 08:22, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Outasinc 

message: I think we can update the chart http://iresearch.worldbank.org/PovcalNet/index.htm
--J intela (talk) 01:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: New Data

message: Where does this 7.2% figure stem from? In terms of "national poverty line" per the UNDP source, this is completely blank for Libya. The only country that even has a similar statistic with that value is Qatar. Looking back at this article's revision history, this seemed to only come up recently (last August specifically). Before that, it had for awhile an out of place (but correct per the CIA World Factbook source) footnote stating that 1/3 of Libyans were at or below the national poverty line. 
If anyone can show how this 7.2% figure is calculated or where it comes from, it would be very helpful. Otherwise, it should be removed or revised to conform with what the other sources here say. 98.109.80.205 (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Libyan figures?  

message: the map is outdated. there is a new data already. for instance nepal is 24.82% for < $1.25/day in the table and the colour of the map shows over 40%
Out of date info as of 81.158.228.59 (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  oudated map/ update needed 

message: Would it be possible to create a separate list of number of people in poverty in each country?
i.e. according to the US poverty line percentage of 15.1% in 2010, they have 47,508,073 in poverty if we use the population at List of countries by population (2012 data).  Likewise Indonesia has 29,705,166 in poverty (using 2011 poverty percentage and 2010 population data). (It's interesting that USA has more poor people than Indonesia, and there are certainly problems with comparisons like that.)
John Vandenberg (chat) 04:17, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty by population 

message: I just noticed that the map we have for people living under $2 PPP per day is from 2009. However, I also noticed the new UNDP Publications no longer report the number. Shouldn't we replace the map for one using the $1.25 PPP per day figures? They are the only ones that remained in the new report. Alternatively, alter the map to allow indexes from the governments themselves?
Case in point, Chile has a lower poverty rate than the United States but its percentage of people living under less than $2 a day is higher. Does this even make sense? 190.141.17.93 (talk) 06:45, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I would wait as long as you will replace the removed picture with another. Bladesmulti (talk) 08:31, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: No more data for people living under $2 PPP a day

message: There is not data of poverty in the USA and UK, there are thousand of homeless and everyday there are more, and millions people with home and single mothers does not have money to buy food. This article leads to believe that there is not poverty in "first world". A first world country should have statistics of poverty in its own territory, why there are not data or references about it?--P2prules (talk) 12:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
replies: text:  I would like to fill more in. Current left table uses world bank data but feel free to add points if you can get reliable stats from some where. The right table does have US data points. Lonjers (talk) 06:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Poverty in the USA and UK 

message: For example: 
*https://data.oecd.org/inequality/poverty-rate.htm 
*https://www.google.com/search?q=oecd+poverty
Unfortunately, I may not be able to help much. --Timeshifter (talk) 04:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  OECD table would be useful for comparing poverty rates among more developed nations 

message: Back on here after 2 years. Wow I can not believe it but 2 people actually used my program to keep the map and table updated. Anyway I just did another update. But I don't think our data source is holding up well. The world bank seems to have stopped returning data other than 1.90 a day. I think they consider other stats more indicative of poverty. Wondering if there are any thoughts about moving to some of the newer combined metrics that use things like infant mortality, cell phone use, ect instead of PPP as this stat has a number of issues. But yea super thanks to James and User:फ़िलप्रो for keeping this going while I was gone. Lonjers (talk) 08:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Updates and ideas for new metrics 

message: In USA there are many poorer than in Argentina. In USA there is much more poverty than population in Argentina. --186.111.145.80 (talk) 12:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: AFAIK ratio of poor people to total population and not total number of poor people indicate poverty. Moreover, US and Argentina don't even same definition of poverties. US is by far very well off in terms of per capita GDP, poverty ratios and household wealths. Argentina is more of a high upper middle income country in terms of most indicators and a developing country most certainly in terms of wealth holding. Aman Kumar Goel(Talk) 14:22, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  USA more poor than Argentina 

message: I am considering deleting this page and just having it point to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index which is both a higher quality article and simple a better way of thinking about this issue. Any thoughts on this? Lonjers (talk) 03:33, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thoughts on replacing this article 

message: If anyone is interested, and if I may do so, I'd like to publish here the sum of all data on the first table labeled "Percent of population (including non-citizens) living under $1.90, $3.20 and $5.50 a day".
I've added all values for < $1.90, < $3.20 and < $5.50 as different "total results". Then divided those results by the quantity of countries listed on the table. I did this only for the cells in which there was an actual value (meaning I excluded "N/A" values)
< $1.90 total percentage: 13.951829268292686
< $3.20 total percentage: 26.21158536585365
< $5.50 total percentage: 41.75243902439025
If interested, this is how I did it, using only Chrome's DevTools. You'll probably need some HTML and JavaScript knowledge:
- Open up DevTools inspector and go to the console
- Create variables "totalValue" and "totalCountries". Set both to 0
- Edit the tbody of the table you want to do this on (there are only 2 tables on this article at the time I'm writing this), by adding an "id" attribute. Set it to "only_this_table"
- Execute the following (copy + paste if you want) on the console:
document.querySelectorAll('#only_this_table tr').forEach(trNode => {
  if(trNode.cells[3] && trNode.cells[3].innerText && trNode.cells[3].innerText.indexOf('%') !== -1){
    let moreValue = parseFloat(trNode.cells[3].innerText)
    totalValue = totalValue + moreValue
    totalCountries = totalCountries + 1
  }
})
console.log(`Total percentage: ${totalValue / totalCountries}`)
- You can change the number where it reads "trNode.cells[3]" to 1, 2 or 3. 1 represents < $1.90 cell, 2 represents < $3.20 cell and 3 represents < $5.50 cell
- Each time you want to execute the script again (to test against the different values I provided on the step above), you should reset your "totalValue" and "totalCountries" variables to 0
Section added by Billy_Tunin - Date: 17:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title: Total value for the first table

message: Can somebody fix those India and Pakistan values please? I've tried to revert changes from some guys that are clearly fighting about numbers instead of showing the correct real value for those countries, and I had no luck! 98.28.177.15 (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  India and Pakistan data 

message: Actually I wanna tell you the major cause that why Pakistan is not a developed country
As you know that the nation which has honest person always perform good than other nation
In Pakistan every people want money and they are not thinking about the whole of country that what will be the effect of these things in future
They are selfish and do not want to see their country as a developed country
Until the people's f Pakistan will not become honest with their country 
The country will not progress
And the GDP of the country will countinue decrease 182.184.59.55 (talk) 09:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pakistan the poorest country