Talk:The Giver

message: In the coming weeks I plan to make a few changes to this page. Firstly, I plan to tighten up the plot summary so that it is 500-700 words as is wikipedia's recommendation for the synopsis of novels and plot summaries. Secondly, I will be expanding the literary significance and criticism section to include three parts. Firstly, I will focus on reception discussing the initial reception of the book. I will then discuss academic criticism and analysis in an expanded form from what is presently there. I will also be including some academic discussions of its uses in pedagogy. I will also include discussions of why people have attempted to censor the novel to expand on mentions of controversy. Here is a link to my annotated bibliography if anybody would like to see my sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Connorehl/The_Giver/Bibliography?venotify=created Connorehl (talk) 14:33, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: This article would benefit most from additional, sourced, information. Rewriting the plot summary is not urgent and suggest you defer it until you're done with the other things. The present summary may or may not be too long (see WP:IAR) but it serves the reader well, the other sections are likely inadequate. Don't do the plot summary first because it is easy and will give you something to show for your course assignment, do work where it needs to be done and will benefit the article. If all you've done is shorten the plot summary, then you haven't improved the article very much and (depending on whether you're a good writer), the article may actually be worse off.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Wehwalt, I appreciate your comments, but I am not rewriting the plot summary, I am tightening it up at points. Secondly, if you check my bibliography, I am mostly planning to use sourced material to expand on the academic analysis and to add sourcing to points in sections where sources were not included for claims. Connorehl (talk) 14:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upcoming Planned Edits 

message: Upon reading "The Giver" and viewing the movie, I have come to see ties regarding biblical references.
In example; God wanted to create humans in his image and give them free will but he did not want them to go against his word. This is a trap, to say you have free will but to then tell you there is a door that you cannot open is a contradiction. 
Lucifer was cast from heaven for saying that God was wrong for not wanting humans to be able to have his knowledge but have free will. In the garden of Eden Lucifer convinced Eve to eat the apple and thus have God's knowledge. Without knowing sin you know nothing. You know what you are told, and what you are told is that there is a door that you cannot open. Lucifer opened the door by giving humans knowledge. The knowledge of the other side of the emotional spectrum; 
Good and evil
Right and wrong
Happy and sad
War and Peace
You cannot have one without the other, God wanted humans to be blind and obey him like sheep without the knowledge to choose for themself. 
Lucifer is the good guy in the story of the Bible. 
Let's correlate this to The Giver
*A society where everyone operates without emotion. 
They cannot feel, they are manipulated into taking medicine by those who control the society (God)
*The euthanize children without the knowledge that it is wrong because they have no knowledge of sin due to their lack of emotion.
* The people in the story reside on a raised platform, secluded from the rest of the world it is a Utopia where they are told to stay. (garden of Eden) 
* Once Jonas becomes the receiver he is shown the color of an apple... He is shown red. This can be overwhelming when you have never seen color before because you have never had any contrast or even the knowledge that such things existed. He was being controlled and blinded by the rulers of his society. (God) 
* He is shown purity and innocence, then shown war and pain. The Giver instills him with the knowledge of both sides of the emotional spectrum. 
The Giver is Lucifer
Who gave us wisdom and knowledge so we may see right from wrong. 
The receiver is humankind
Who were being controlled through gods will. Without the knowledge to act on their own. 
The Chief elder is God 
Who gave humans free will but also demanded obedience. 2600:1014:B014:E47B:0:B:C114:A601 (talk) 15:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting thought, that probably contains considerable validity, but we have to base our articles on Wikipedia off what secondary sources have said. Wehwalt (talk) 16:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

text: hmm. i know this is also late, but i never thought about that. That a really good point!! Babysharkboss2 (talk) 18:08, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  The giver - deeper religious analysis