Talk:List of astronauts by year of selection

message: "Astronaut" is in the US what Russians call "cosmonaut", what Chinese call "Taikonauts" etc....
Is this a bias?
(response to apparently unsigned query) In articles it would be considered Bias to call Cosmonauts, Taikonauts, and Astronauts by their incorrect name. Use of the Neutral term 'Crew' I have found works well in articles such as the International Space Station. When referring to unique individuals, the individual terms should be used. For example, a NASA Astronaut, and a Russian Cosmonaut were on the ISS as a skeleton crew after the NASA shuttle disaster. The Crew of 2 performed limited tasks on the ISS during that time. The Crew of the ISS was expanded to 6, and after launch of the MLM in 2012, an extra crew member will be able to join the existing crew, making 7 in total. European Space Agency Crew members and Americans are normally called Astronauts. Soviet Bloc Crew are normally called Cosmonauts.
In regards to this articles title, a single accessible word has been chosen by it's author(s) as the word most commonly understood by it's readers. This is the English Wikipedia article and so the word Astronaut is used as it is the most easily understood one word term for the target readers. On the Russian Wikipedia article here the word Cosmonaut is used for the entire list including Neil Armstrong, as it is an article for Russian-speaking readers.Penyulap</span> talk 14:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Just a quick note

message: The use of randomly selected images degrades the quality of this article, and / or the use individual editor's favorite Astronaut's image is not possible in this article, it violates WP:Neutrality, this article lists more than 300 individuals and if all 300+ images were included in order to keep it Neutral, it would cause technical problems for some browsers and users with slow internet connections. The use of a limited number of images according to a logical or popular order is possible, such as first man and first woman in space, first person on the moon, and so forth.
Please state if you want to keep or remove these two images.   Penyulap talk 14:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Remove These two do not belong because they are not especially notable (in a neutral sense), despite Ramon's death on the Columbia (WP:MEMORIAL). It would make sense to include three historically noteable: Gagarin (first in space), Tereshkova (first woman) and Armstrong (first on the Moon). A fourth would be the first person on Mars, when and if that ever happens. JustinTime55 (talk) 15:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: The use of images in this article

message: Anyone got a source for Group 8 being called TFNG? That's not usually what FNG means. Whisperednumber 12:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm going to remove it until someone gets a source for that.Whisperednumber 12:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Geez, give me more than four minutes to respond! Group 8 was called TFNG, for "Thirty Five New Guys". Yes, it also stands for the military-based obscenity but that was the polite term. See Astronautix.com, Mike Mullane interview, class patch at CollectSpace.com, etc. -- Wizardimps 07:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TFNG: NASA Group 8

message: With all due respect to Rillian, whom I really do respect and think is a great editor, I don't agree with the removal of the Malaysian information, nor with the terminology of "Spaceflight Participant" in this list, and here is why: This is a list of astronauts, and the positions they were selected for, and trained for, i.e. Mission Specialist, Pilot, etc. It is not a list of the position they held when they flew. Now obviously Malaysia is not training these people to be "Spaceflight participants", and there are many reliable sources that verify Shukor was a full-fledged astronaut, not a spaceflight participant, NASA used that term because Shukor did not specifically fly as an astronaut position for his flight, not that he wasn't an astronaut (think John Glenn's last flight). Also, for new classes, such as Canada's first class of astronauts, the X Prize, and other classes throughout this article, commentary is given to help the reader understand the item of interest. Malaysia's new program obviously deserves a mention, just as the others have had. I'm reinstating the section; Shukor is a fully trained astronaut, who was selected as an astronaut, trained as an astronaut, but just happened to fly not having any official astronaut duties. That doesn't make him any less of an astronaut, and for the purposes of this list, Spaceflight participant is an incorrect term. Ariel♥Gold 05:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The structure of this page (which is titled List of Astronauts after all) is 1. Date + Group Name + Agency followed by 2. a list of people in that group followed on some instances by 3. commentary of notable items related to the group (e.g. everyone on this group flew in space at least twice). The only times we list titles/ranks/positions is when Item 2 (the list of people) is very long and some of the people where chosen to train for specific roles, e.g. Pilots versus Mission Specialists on the Space Shuttle. Regarding commentary, as this is a list and not an article per se, any commentary should be very brief and link to articles that provide the details. Since the Malaysian group all trained for the same position, no title is needed. I've made some edits that follow these practices and appreciate your comments. Rillian 13:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Shukor is an astronaut by all definition of the word, so I'm not sure why you felt that your first statement had to say "it is a list of astronauts, after all". As for removing the fact that this was the first group selected by the Malaysian Astronaut group, see 1983 in this list, and the exact same type of thing was done with the first group of Canadian candidates, so I don't see how it is unreasonable to put a note saying this was the first group of candidates selected for the Malaysian space program. Correct me if I'm wrong, and please don't take this negatively, but you seem to have an issue with acknowledging the Malaysian astronaut program, and Shukor himself as astronauts (which is what the word Angkasawan means). I'm not biased one way or another, but I do think it does the country, program, and the participants a disservice to deny this recognition across multiple articles. ~*Shrug*~ Ariel♥Gold 13:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My point about this being a list of astronauts is that everyone on the list is presumed to an astronaut. That's why the list doesn't repeat the word "Astronaut" in front of the groups of names -- it's redundant. As to the use of the word Angkasawan -- that's a Malaysian word for astronaut and this is the English Wikipedia. We don't use Raumfahrer with the German astronauts on this list.Rillian 13:46, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ahh, okay I see what you're saying, I was confused, lol. Sorry! Ariel♥Gold 13:52, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, a lot of the commentary and citations you had added were defending the stance that the people in the Angkasawan group are real astronauts. This had been discussed extensively on the Angkasawan and Shukor Talk pages and addressed on those articles and I don't think it necessary to include that type of commentary on this list. Rillian 13:54, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's fine, I don't have either one of those pages on my watch list, so I'm not sure what discussions have been going on, but I know that there was a ton of edit warring over the issue, so I added the references so it was clear that he was an astronaut, even if he has not yet flown as one. No big deal, thanks Rillian! Ariel♥Gold 14:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Malaysian program information

message: Why aren't the Mercury 13 on this list? 70.55.203.112 (talk) 09:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Because they were not "selected for training for a human spaceflight program" as it specifies in the first sentence. This was the brainchild of a doctor in charge of the medical testing, which NASA never took seriously. Though these women flew propellor-driven (subsonic) aircraft, they had absolutely no experience flying high-accelleration supersonic aircraft, which NASA considered essential. (Try reading Mercury 13. JustinTime55 (talk) 21:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Mercury 13

message: This list is missing Chinese Group 2. 70.49.127.65 (talk) 21:52, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinese Group 2 

message: Some Yelena Dobrokvashina info, if anyone wants to write an article... http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Near-cosmonaut_outlines_why_few_women_in_Russias_space_program_999.html -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 19:16, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Yelena Dobrokvashina

message: The article says "McDivitt was later Apollo Program Director and became the first general officer and would have been either the prime LM Pilot or backup commander for Apollo 14, but left NASA due to a conflict between Alan Shepard and Deke Slayton."  Was the conflict between Shepard and Slayton or between McDivitt and the other two? It is probably the latter, but it isn't clear.  Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  McDivitt 

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message: Might be easy to bring some information from your excellent work on the groups over to this article (at least citations maybe?) Just a thought, might be too hard to integrate based on changes some folks desire in conversations above. Kees08 (Talk) 07:25, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross-article editing 

message: List of astronauts by name lists all the same people. Having two lists of the same thing makes them more difficult to maintain, illustrated by the fact that this list is tagged as being in need of updating and the other one isn't. A sortable table can be used to list by name or by year depending on what the reader clicks on, as well as by other attributes of interest. -- Beland (talk) 07:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: They are actually two different topics, and I'd guess most readers have no idea sortable tabs exist. Randy Kryn (talk) 19:20, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 08:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge from List of astronauts by name