Talk:Albert Sabin

message: The article says that Sabin's vaccine "did not prevent the initial, intestinal, infection from occurring" but later says that it "prevented the actual contraction of the disease".  Clarification of this is needed to explain further.  
CrashCart9 06:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My mistake, it says the former about Salk's vaccine.  Perhaps that should be made more clear, as it's easily missed.  CrashCart9 06:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Clarification Needed 

message: The "Life" section may be misleading. It states that Salk used a killed–virus vaccine and Sabin used a live–virus vaccine. Viruses are not alive. They therefore cannot be killed. As usual, in our illiterate culture, words are used ambiguously. "Live" and "dead" (or "killed") cannot be used as adjectives to modify the noun "virus."Lestrade (talk) 00:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose that depends on how you choose to define "alive."  In any case that is certainly the way the two vaccines were distinguished at the time of the first campaigns to provide the Sabin vaccine to the US public in the form of a sugar cube or teaspoon of liquid given to school children.   Pzavon (talk) 00:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

text: No, it is mostly a semantic issue.  A virus can multiply through its hijacking of processes within the cells it infects.  To prevent a virus from causing disease you must destroy the virus before it infects the cells or prevent it from reproducing within the cells.  Whether or not you call that "killing" the virus is less relevant than that you accomplish one of those goals.  Pzavon (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's strange that no one can say if viruses are living organisms or inorganic mechanisms. From the responses above, I get the impression that it is one of those issues that are not to be discussed. Silence. Omertà. Let it go. Change the subject. Taboo. It's all semantics. This is an encyclopedia but we don't pursue such topics.Lestrade (talk) 03:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't imagine how you reached "Taboo" from my comments.  I was merely pointing out that there are places where what some think are fine lines are seen by others as gray areas and the difference may not be able to be conclusively determined to everyone's satisfaction given the present state of knowledge, and in this case, of definitions.  Pzavon (talk) 03:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

text: It is because, when you get down to that level, the definition of "alive" is not as clear as when you look at, for example, a lion or a rose.  The same is true with regard to the distinction between plant and animal when you look at certain single-celled organisms.  Pzavon (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

text: Rather than continue this discussion here, where participants should be talking about Albert Sabin, I suggest you take a look at the Wikipedia article on Life.  Pzavon (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lestrade, I believe while the argument of whether a virus is alive or not continues; the current usage of "live" viral vaccine is giving way to using "attenuated" to refer to a vaccine with an intact virus with decreased virulence. Salk's vaccine has long been referred to as inactivated or IPV (inactivated poliovirus vaccine). So the current usage being taught to scientists would be: "Sabin's attenuated poliovirus vaccine" and "Salk's inactivated poliovirus vaccine".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.85.237.86 (talk) 03:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

text: I'll bet that you,Alex, don't have a source for anything you wrote above. Right Alex?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.32.2.76 (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Live and dead viruses

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