Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pokémon/Archive 6

message: Noticed the page was getting longer that perfered and archived it. Feel free to restore anything needed. Alvin6226  talk  23:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: Category:Frontier Brains could and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.71.19 (talk • contribs) 
:I'll be getting to it when I've got enough time; I got Template:Frontier Brains deleted already. The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 06:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  ? 

message: There are a bunch of Pokémon articles, such as Steven Stone which feature lists of Pokémon and their levels. This is simply not encyclopedic content, so how should it be dealt with?
Also, I feel we're in need of an image cleanup here. Articles like Phoebe's represent the person in question by a fan-made image. Is this actually deemed acceptable when it leaves no credit to the people who created the image? --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 13:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd recommend cleanup as per the Gym Leader articles. Merge the first four from all games into List of Elite Four members. As for the Champions, we can have a List of Pokémon Champions. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 14:02, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Instead of listing their Pokémon with their levels and their attacks, how about just the Pokémon so the reader can more or less see that each character is pretty much single-type oriented?  --SaturnYoshi 16:49, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't even think that listing all their pokemon is necessary.  In a conglomerate article we can simply say, "Steven focuses on pokemon with high defenses that are either of the rock, ground, or steel types.  These include Aggron, Cradily, and others."  Talk a little about allusions to his father being the head of Devon and move on.  And no, Tetsuya-san, Phoebe needs a real anime or at least GB screenshot, i'm bad with the photos, and couldn't even find Phoebe on serebii's char. bios.... so someone else will have to find something... -Zappernapper 06:41, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Would it be okay for someone to just crop the picture of her at the bottom of her page.  That one seems to be an official one.  --SaturnYoshi 14:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup of specific Gym Leader and Elite Four articles? 

message: The new dab is located here, and as a result, the trivia section of Petalburg City was removed. This actually falls under WP:NIN's purview due to its coverage of a Paper Mario game. I wanted you to know because this dab was long-needed since PM:TTYD came out. Before, it would have been OK to just provide a Petalburg Woods link in the Petalburg City article, but when the Paper Mario town was revealed, a dab was needed in full force. It took 1.5 years to get a dab of some type running. TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 22:51, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petalburg dab 

message: The site Smogon.com appears to have gone down and been down for awhile, so I began to go through the first 20 or so Pokemon articles, removing the External Links to Smogon.  I don't quite have the time to do all 380+, so some of you good folks might want to get on that.  --InvaderJim42 14:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll work on it, but what if the site gets back up somehow? Alvin6226  talk  05:09, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, DON'T work on it... I just now checked if Smogon is up again, and it is.  I feel like an idiot now for having gone through and removed some of the links, but I'm sure it can be easily rolled back to previous versions.  --InvaderJim42 12:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Broken Links 

message: I have created an idea that takes all 18 types and assigns them logical colors.
The following is a listing of the colors involved in proposal 1:
Water: #0F2B5B
Ice: #6BC9DB
Grass: #076D54
Bug: #8CD600
Fire: #E5053A
Fighting: #F74902
Ground: #6D3321
Rock: #544726
Electric: #E8DD11
Normal: #ADAFAA
Dragon: #602144
Psychic: #9E2387
Shadow (for XD and Colosseum): #512D44
Dark: #30383A
Ghost: #666D70
Poison: #353F5B (blue, due to three uses of purple as color)
Steel: #26547C
TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 01:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we used to use colors in the old style box, but not anymore. Then again, that was just to signify what colors were which on a shiny pokemon. Toastypk 04:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Oh and for color conflict, I use a pink for psychic, a purple for poison, and a dark puprle for dark. Maybe a black for Shadow. Actually, it looks like a lot of your choices are wack... blue for water, green for grass, cyan for ice. Bright purple for Dragon... I just go by the official color code. Here, I just copied the color hex from the game icons:
NORMAL    #A8A878
FIRE      #F08030
WATER     #6890F0
ELEC      #F8D030
GRASS     #78C850
ICE       #98D8D8
FIGHT     #C03028
POISON    #A040A0
GROUND    #E0C068
FLYING    #E0C068
PSYCHIC   #F85888
BUG       #A8B820
ROCK      #B8A038
GHOST     #705898
DRAGON    #7038F8
DARK      #705848
STEEL     #B8B8D0
SHADOW    #403246
Toastypk 05:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What would the colors be used for?  People might begin to complain if we start coloring these words in the articles.  They might call it crufty.  --Brandon Dilbeck 19:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And Shadow isn't a type.  Seeing as how any Pokémon has the potential to be converted into a Shadow Pokémon.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 22:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think they're referring to Shadow-type attacks like Shadow Rush. --Brandon Dilbeck 00:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

text: While we're at it, here's the hex value for Curse's attack type, ???:  #68A090 --Brandon Dilbeck 00:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concept for types 

message: I just noticed that the main images for Latios and Latias had been removed due to not having any copyright info.  Wouldn't this info be the same as the other Pokémon?  I'm not sure how to go about re-adding them, but could someone take a look?  --SaturnYoshi 14:42, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. But they're not from Pokémon Elite. What do we do when orphanBot discovers that we've got the source wrong? The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, we have at least 7 days...  --SaturnYoshi 15:47, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

text: On a side note, couldn't we just use the original pics that were used and add the copyright info to them?  This is so that they could be the same quality as the other Pokémon articles.  --SaturnYoshi 16:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Article images

message: Can someone who's more knowledgeable about the Pokemon Universe check these 3 articles? They smell like a hoax to me. exolon 16:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Deleted. Even if they're not hoaxes, they have no content. Regards,  —Celestianpower háblame 16:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Waterwerm]] & [[Psyworm]] & [[Wormking]] 

message: This article has been nominated for deletion, just though I would let you guys know. TJ Spyke 05:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pokémon ability]] 

message: A heads-up guys - Pokemon_Natures is up on AfD here. Appears to be an orphan article, however, with only one major editor. LinaMishima 08:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another AfD - [[Pokemon_Natures]] 

message: umm... hi im dont really understand exactly how to join the Pokémon Collaborative Project. can someone help? thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ??????????????? (talk • contribs) 
: Simple. Just create an account and add your name to the list. --Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 15:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Means here. Add your name by typing three tildes, like this ~~~ --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Help Me. thank you. 

message: I inquired about three Barnstars (1 of which I created in concept). The Poke Barnstar ribbon's already done:
I'm waiting on 2 more to come in, the TV Star and the Barnstar Star. TrackerTV (CW|Castform|Green Valley) 18:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yay! Alvin6226  talk  18:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad yall like it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 20:13, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ribbon addition 

message: On an average, this article is vandalized anywhere between three and seven times a day, and over half the edits made to it are either bad-faith or reversions. Are these not grounds enough to seek sprotection? --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 14:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to agree here--these edits are harmful to the article, and may be preventing other editors such as The Raven's Apprentice from improving other articles because they have to keep hovering over the Pokémon article to revert vandalism. --Brandon Dilbeck 15:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm making a request for it. --Brandon Dilbeck 15:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  SProtection of [[Pokémon]] 

message: I found at the talk page of WP:COMP the following template:
We have two rock-solid choices: Bulbasaur and Torchic, 2 featured articles. Choose one, please. Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 20:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sample? 

message: i know it's obscure, but i was looking around and noticed that in our List of Pokémon video games the TCG video game is said to have been released on Mar. 31, '00. but on the main article's page it is listed as being released in the US on Apr. 10, '00.  Which is it? -Zappernapper 19:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nintendo.com's Master List of GameBoy games has it listed as an April 2000 release.  It didn't give a specific day, though.  -SaturnYoshi 21:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pokemon TCG video game 

message: Does anyone know what happened to the list of Pokémon abilities article?  It seems to have vanished, but the talk page is still there...  It looks like A Man In Black deleted it, even though the AfD from last month resulted in keep.  --Brandon Dilbeck 16:49, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently, A Man In Black moved it to Pokémon ability and deleted the list. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 07:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Grr... how brazen. Toastypk 14:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds like someone was busy.  -SaturnYoshi 07:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[List of Pokémon abilities]] 

message: Today, I stumbled upon the focus letter template.  Every day, the template generates a different letter.  Currently, it's H, but tomorrow, it'll be I, and then J after that.  I thought this might be useful for the PCP—we could use it to have daily foci (or "focuses", if you prefer) Pokémon.  We could edit species articles that begin with that letter of the day.  So today, we could focus on Hariyama, Hitmontop, Horsea, or Huntail, to name a few.  This would give us different articles to work on every day, which might perhaps stimulate more rapid development of Pokémon articles. And maybe it could force us to stumble upon articles that we otherwise might not think of looking at.  Of course, this wouldn't replace the current species article focus (which is currently Quilava).  Am I clear on this?  What do you think? --Brandon Dilbeck 19:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just did some calculations; with 386 Pokémon, divided by the 26 letters of the alphabet, there are, on average, about 15 Pokémon whose names begin with any given letter.  Of course, this can be higher or lower (Xatu and Yanma are the only Pokémon that begin with X and Y, respectively).  Granted that the new games will raise this number to 500 Pokémon (which to me sounds plausible, at the current growth rate), this would be about 19 Pokémon that begin with any given letter, on average.  Would 19 Pokémon be too many to focus on per day?  --Brandon Dilbeck 17:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not too many people seem to have much to say about this.  I suppose we don't need to be spreading our focus out this much.  --Brandon Dilbeck 20:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Daily Foci Pokémon" idea 

message: The old discussion is a mess, with comments left over from when this project was founded. Additionally, we need a new article focus, since this project's articles on things that exist in the real world are terrible.
As such, I propose changing the main article focus to a thing in the real world (a game, a manga, an event, etc.) and the "Misc." focus including both Pokemon and in-universe concepts (like the Pokedex or Shiny Pokemon or whatever). People are judging us more on the quality of the articles about the really important stuff, and not on the quality of articles about obscure Pokemon (Quilava? Really?).
Any ideas for a name for the main focus? Any objections? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How about the banners Prime Focus for real events and Topic Focus for key concepts, along with a Species Focus for individual Pokemon? And to get us started, we need to keep reviewing our stub and expansion categories. The three articles I nominated for deletion a week ago are still not deleted. I also have some discussion items below. Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 03:47, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't like "Prime Focus" 100%, as it implies those articles would be our primary focus, and I don't think they should be.  May I suggest Extant Focus for real-life Pokémon elements (or Existent Focus, if you'd prefer)?  I think it should be implied that these things in the focus actually exist, as opposed to a Pokémon species or other in-game elements. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New article focus discussion 

message: To be deleted:
*Neon Town (has no significance, only created for an ep of the anime)
To be merged:
*Devon Corporation into Rustboro City
*Meteor Falls into Rustboro City and Fallarbor Town
*Phoebe (Pokémon) into List of Hoenn Elite Four members
*Tohjo Falls into New Bark Town
**Done. Hybrid
*Tin Tower into Ecruteak City
*Ruins of Alph into Violet City
Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 04:54, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does anyone else think we should create something like List of locations in the Pokémon anime, or something similar, to merge all these stubs of locations? I think they have enough notability as a list, over individual articles. Thoughts? Highway Daytrippers 14:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with each of TrackerTV's proposals for merging except for Phoebe.  Every Elite Four member has had his or her own page—see Karen's section in Wikipedia:Pokémon test.  And I approve of HighwayCello's idea of a list of all the locations in the anime.  Don't they make up a lot of places in the anime?  And the characters are usually there for only one episode, so there can't be much to say about each of those locations.  Merging them into one list would prevent an unsightly array of dozens of stubs that can't be expanded. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then... Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 17:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, a list of Pokemon anime locations would work great for both us and our readers. And I suppose you guys have something in mind with merging those Elite Four articles. Erik Jensen (I appreciate talk!) 18:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

text: A list of locations would definatly make me happier, save me a lot of time, and make some poeple I've pissed off outside of here a lot happier. Hybrid 21:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I say we should have a list of locations, but also have articles for major locations (such as Pallet town, New Bark Town, Indego Plateu, etc.)66.231.222.86 22:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Review number 2 of stub and expansion categories 

message: I have found that in many pokemon articles, the word protagonist is used as a synynom of hero, and antagonist like villian.  These are incorrect uses, however, as protagonist is someone who makes an action, and the antagonist reacts.  just thouhgt I'd let everyone know.--66.231.222.86 22:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, protagonist is the formal term for the central character in the story, and the antagonist is the main character's enemy.  So, if a story were written about WW2 from Hitler's point of view, then the Allied powers would be the antagonists and Hitler would be the protagonist.  As far as the Pokémon stories go, the usage that you described is the correct usage due to the point of view Pokémon is told from.  Thanks though.  Hybrid 03:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  incorrect use of protagonist and antagonist in pokemon articles. 

message: I am going to CFD for this category because the articles in it have merger proposals listed above. The category is only populated by Desert Ruins and Ruins of Alph, both of which are under our watch. Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 17:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds good to me. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Fictional ruins]] 

message: List of Pokémon references or spoofs is up for deletion, you can find it here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Pokémon references or spoofs LinaMishima 02:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another AfD - [[List of Pokémon references or spoofs]] 

message: Quilava has finished being focussed, and is at GAN, great work everyone. New suggestions should be noted at the top of the page. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 19:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quilava is a GA. Well done all. Highway Daytrippers 15:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creature focus 

message: :Category:Controversial Pokémon designs seems like it could be a POV hotspot very soon. I am worried about weasel words compromising this category. Tracker/TTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 05:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: And the eventualization that people will come up with their own "controversies".  Also, given the backlash these few Pocket Monster's have already faced, I doubt that the list would get any bigger than what it is now.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 05:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I could see some use, Kadabra, Jynx, Houndoom, Mukrow. Their controversies all have some worth, so I can use of the category, as long as there is valid reference. And I know I mis-spelled Mukrow. Highway Daytrippers 07:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's like you were trying to say "Muukow"...  ;D  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Controversial Pokémon designs]] 

message: Ivysaur is now a GA, so only Venusaur needs GA, and then our first evolutionary family is up to standards! Happy editing, Highway Daytrippers 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Took long enough ¬_¬ Alvin6226  talk  02:32, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well maybe you should try a GA then? Since it's sooo easy. Highway Daytrippers 07:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bulbasaur family 

message: There's been an on-and-off edit war going on over at  and  on whether mini deserves to be on there.  I would argue that Mini lacks one critical thing that all the other listed handhelds have - third-party support.  However, I'd like to see what the PCP thinks of this. Hbdragon88 06:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Personally, I think the quality of a Pokémon Mini was similar to that of a Tamagotchi, so I think it would be the second one. It was never really a front running console, the graphics were awful, even for then. And you're right, there was no third party support. Mainly because Nintendo didn't give out dev kits to anyone. Highway Daytrippers 06:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't feel that the Pokémon mini ever reached Extreme Notability, as I have rarely ever heard of it.  I don't think it'd be a huge loss if it weren't included in these templates.  --Brandon Dilbeck 06:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was this tiny console that floated about after Gold and Silver. The games were low quality reworks of classic games with Pokémon slapped on. It came in three colours. Highway Daytrippers 07:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what it is, it's just that I read about it once in a magazine article some while back and haven't heard anything about it since. --Brandon Dilbeck 07:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's half 9 over here. I would usually be out but I've got a day off to chatter about tiny consoles instead. XD Highway Daytrippers 08:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the status of [[Pokemon mini]]? 

message: Charizard is at FAC, here. Comments welcome, Highway Daytrippers 12:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 14:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Charizard FAC 

message: A request has been made at WikiProject Computer and video games talk to integrate the  template into the CVG header itself.  The newly integrated template can be seen here: User:Hbdragon88/Temp.  Thoughts?  Objections? --PresN 16:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it.  But considering all the different projects it would be nice if the to-do list could be tailor-made to fit each one.  I know the idea of adding a To-Do list like the CVG one to our own PCP template has been brought up on this talk page before. -Zappernapper 11:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Much better for all the projects. WP:PAC2 may be merging into the PCP, so... myTrackerTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 14:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Integration with {{tl|cvgproj}} 

message: Alright, I know it looks like a copyvio of bulbapedia, but if an admin checks the dates, they'lle see that bulbapedia's was added after it was cvreated in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.221.190 (talk • contribs) 
:It got deleted? Hurray!!! At least someone could remove that abomination, even if I couldn't. A link to the AfD would be helpful, I want to relish the fact. :D --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 06:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I had no idea what this person was talking about, at first.  It seems that there was no AfD; according to the deletion log, "A Man In Black deleted "Rhapsody in Drew" (more Bulbapedia copyvio - see http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/AG123)"  It seems that 66.231.221.190's convinced that this isn't a copyright violation and is lodging a complaint, wanting it back. --Brandon Dilbeck 06:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Lodging a complaint? Where? --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 08:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: you know, this is why we don't just go around deleting random pages - especially when they've survived two AfD noms.... no one else can check out the page once it's brought to their attention, isn't that part of why we have AfDs?  i read both discussions and feel like i can't make any determination, one side says it has good info and needs a little expansion, and the other says it reads like OR and is stubby.  I'm not sure where i stand on episode guides.  I suppose only notable ones are worth mentioning - some shows are so good that almost each episode desrves critical commentary, but Pokemon is not one of them - even less so as the series has progressed.  But i should point out that the chemistry between Drew and May is the only thing right now the show has going for it IMO, so if ANYTHING deserves an article it's most likely going to be this.  Rather than giving over an article devoted solely to the single episode perhaps we could have an article of the episodes that detail this "blossoming romance."  I dunno, i don't really feel too strongly either way like i said i'm mixed, but it would have been nice to see the article myself so i could've judged the quality of writing. -Zappernapper 11:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The last thing we need is a series of articles on shipping. Unless they can be sourced, which they can't. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 13:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If anywhere, the info could go into May's article, if it's not there already.  But Zappernapper has a point; the article's survived two AfDs, A Man In Black has removed it, saying it's a copyright violation, and 66.231.221.190 insists that it's not a copyvio, and that Bulbapedia copied from Wikipedia.  Too bad I myself can't check the Rhapsody in Drew article for edit dates or references, as it's been deleted...  --Brandon Dilbeck 17:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: "Shipping" ??? i think ur using some slang i'm unfamiliar with... but like i said, i don't really have a pref, it just would have been nice to have been able to read the article b/c it's been the subject of so much debate. btw, what are your reasons for excluding episode guides? while i think prolly only the ones with "Major Events" (e.g. Ash catches Pidgeotto, but not Ash has Metapod fight with samuarai) should be included, i have personally used wiki to look up episodes of series i didn't particularly get around to watching much of to see if they were of any interest (i.e. I liked Buffy but never saw more than two episodes of Angel so I've read quite a few wiki pages pertaining to it). wikipedia can offer a lot better and more indepth info than some fansite that is more susceptible to false ads and propaganda or personal bias. someone who wants to know about the cartoon, and is very green to pokemon in general, would have a very hard time deciphering the kind of garbage littered on fansites, and likely does not have the patience to read several (often long and insanely detailed) synopses of episodes. but if this page was junk anyways (using language like, "May's Butterfree used Silver Wind. Then Drew used Petal Dance in retailation. The crowd looked on in...") i agree. I wish there was a way to condense all the short meaningless episodes into a brief list, but i think like with the "Pokemon Solution" problem, there are so many it seems ludicrous to try and give them all even the most basic info on one page due to size restrictions. Maybe we could break them up by series? Kanto, Johto, Whirl Islands. And give only pivotal episodes (like when the group splits up to go home) the special treatment of a (sparse) synopsis and its own page. -Zappernapper 17:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Out of sheer... i dunno, boredom? I've created a fun (for me) little sample of what i'm talking about at my sandbox. -Zappernapper
Episode lists, like the one in your sandbox, would be OK, but an article for each individual episode? Please. Wikipedia's servers are already overloaded. Personally, I'd have something along the lines of List of Kim Possible episodes. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 06:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: i like one too, except no red-linking, that just encourages people, making them think there should be an article for really worthless episodes (likeLights! Camerupt! Action!).  We already have a good start for the lists at List of Pokémon Episodes, i just think we need seperate pages for each "saga."  Keeping all of Kanto together, keeping all of Johto together, making a seperate page for Whirl Islands (so there'd be a continuity gap on the Johto page which would be explained).  This way, if we add a screenshot box and add one- two-sentence synopses the load times won't be insane for 56k users (yes they do exist).  I'd like to add this to WP:PCP/S so when new users or new pokemon contributors create episode guides that have already been deemed "trivial" we can point them to it.  But i'd like to hear some more opinions before i say we've agreed to it this way.  We should also prolly figure out exactly what can go in an episode guide.  as per WP guidlines, we shouldn't be providing complete second-by-second plot details.  did you check out my fakey epi-guide linked in my sandbox? -Zappernapper 16:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: another thought, maybe we need to decide how much importance an article needs b4 it's deserving of it's own article.  season premieres are an obvious choice, but what about Gym leader battles?  Indigo Plateau battles?  One of the main characters catching a new Pokemon?  Raven's apprentice, you seem very adamant about not having Rhapsody in Drew included, however it's May's defeat at the Grand Festival, the evolution of Ash's Snorunt into Glalie, and the first appearance of Drew's Flygon.  We can definitly summarize this in the table - but what defining charateristics are needed for an episode to deserve its own page? I'm opening the floor to input from anybody. -Zappernapper 17:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Going through List of Pokémon episodes, it doesn't even seem like there are that many episodes with articles!  I like the Kim Possible solution; the list on that page actually looks very nice.  --Brandon Dilbeck 17:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

text: @ Zappernapper: If we could be allowed to delete articles indiscriminately, I'd mass-delete the whole episodes lot and go for the "Kim Possible" solution, but without the links, and with a seperate page for each season. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 13:22, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: so ur of the opinion that we should have no episode articles?  What about Pokémon, I Choose You?  But I suppose there's validity in what you say.  There's no reason to write out a plot summary if we can present the important changes in a bullet list on a well formed table.  You know, I bet that if we mass AfD the episode articles, after reaching a consensus here that all the information will be moved to a table, there will be few people in the rest of the Wikipedia community who'll object.  You know, the failed AfDs are often a result of the fact the info is considered valuable enough to keep - just needs to be expanded or merged.  If offering a merge of the episode articles into the episode lists, you may get enough votes to actually do it.  So it seems that you (Raven's Apprentice), me, and Brandon are all on the bandwagon... is there anyone else out there interested in this discussion? -Zappernapper 15:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the Kim Possible list is a good idea, and would really give excellent summary of the entire series, but I'm also of the opinion that some episodes are important enough to warrant their own articles.  For instance, look at the list of Kanto Gym Leaders and you'll see that Brock and Misty have their own articles, but old man Blaine and that crazy gal Sabrina don't have theirs.  Some episodes are just more important (notable) than others.  I don't think it's a bad idea to give a few episodes an article, but they should be important episodes with a lot of material about them—that episode where Ash and the samurai kid run from a pack of wild Beedrill probably doesn't deserve its own article.  But going through the already existing articles on episodes, most of them are currently stubby, containing mostly a list of which Pokémon were featured in the article (which hardly sounds encyclopedic to me).  Unless someone's planning to expand these, sorting the episodes into lists would probably be best. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: ok.... so what are some defining criteria of "notable" in ur POV?  lots of projects try to define what is/is not notable within their respective fields and incorporate that into their styleguides.  you (Brandon) say that some episodes deserve there own articles, it seems that Raven doesn't.  I'm really undecided on it.  We need more input!  I'll let the more active editors of List of Pokemon episodes be aware of this discussion. -Zappernapper 21:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rhapsody in drew deletion was not good.... 

message: This isn't really a pressing issue, but it's worth thinking about.  Smurrayinchester brought up the issue of linking the word "and" when linking to Pokémon games in Charizard's FAC discussion:Having links in the style Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen seems a little misleading, as it appears that these are separate articles. I'd prefer simply Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen.I think that Smurrayinchester has a point, and there really isn't any reason to link to each of them separately.  What sets a title apart is italicizing the title.  I think it would be totally appropriate to actually display the links like Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen; the "and" isn't italicized.
Of course, in order to have it displayed like this, we have to put the italics in a piped link (Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen) because otherwise, the italic marks () prevent it from creating a link. Any more ideas or comments? --Brandon Dilbeck 05:48, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks more professional the present way. Highway Daytrippers 06:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it makes more sence the other way.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 19:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But the games aren't called "and". Highway Daytrippers 20:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why "and" is not italicized.  --Brandon Dilbeck 21:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it shouldn't be linked. Highway Daytrippers 07:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "and" is part of the title in the article, so it would appear logical to link it, especially because they refer to the same article. -Zappernapper 21:26, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But we're not referring to the article in the context, we're referring to the games, which don't have the and. That's why we don't take it out when we discuss the article, but we do when we are discussing the games. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 21:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but it's tricking people (Smurrayinchester) into thinking that they're two different articles. --Brandon Dilbeck 23:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: But if and isn't italizized(i suck at spelling), then it's clear we are discussing the games.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 16:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking of "and" in game titles 

message: The new PCP focus is Crawdaunt, tasks have been outlined at the project page. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 18:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's a link to the task list. --Brandon Dilbeck 07:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks! Highway Daytrippers 15:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New PCP Focus 

message: Well, what do we do about this unauthorised use of fair-use images? I tried removing the thing and dropping the guy a message, but this is what I get. --The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 07:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I went through a time of removing this from user pages. First you advise them that's it's against policy. Then you remove them yourself, and leave a message stating so. If they are re-added, start giving them warnings, check WP:TT for the appropriate one. I'll have a looky. Highway Daytrippers 15:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is that okay? I just need to go talk to PinkDeoxys. SuperCello, away! ;) Highway Daytrippers 15:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good arbitration. Just hopes he listens to you. Cheers, The Raven's Apprentice (Talk|Contribs) 15:52, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, I've talked to PinkDeoxys also. Hopefully the problem will end here. Highway Daytrippers 15:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The situation has been calmly resolved. Thanks Raven for bringing this problem to the prject. Highway Daytrippers 19:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[User:DarknessLord/Userboxes#Pokémon List]] 

message: A stream of dex numbers for Shinou has been revealed, whether they are true is not the matter, since Nintendo hasn't revealed anything. The point is, the Template:Pokeinfobox (or whatever it's called now) can't handle Shinou dex numbers, can someone, likely AMIB, make it so? Probably not until the game comes out, but then it'd be a good idea. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 17:35, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll give it a go, then. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 00:39, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Actually, it's already been updated prior by the time I looked now, but it's disabled. - Tetsuya-san (talk : contribs) 00:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's ready to go as soon as D/P is released. Just use "shinounumber" and "shinouproceeding" and "shinoufollowing". - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers. Highway Daytrippers 07:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shinou dex 

message: I was looking through the list of banned Pokémon episodes and noticed the Tentacool and Tentacruel episode.  It seem that Boomerang is showing the episode regularly now because it was on yesterday (Thursday, September 21, 2006 9PM CST.)  I guess it could say that it was previously banned, but has since been brought back into circulation.  Or something like that.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 00:27, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It had original circulation, but was pulled after September 11, along with Tower of Terror. I don't know if the ghost episode is back in circulation though. Highway Daytrippers 07:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'll know by tonight.  Last night was the Bye Bye Butterfree and the Abra and the Psychic Showdown episodes.  The Tower of Terror should be on Boomerang at 9PM CST.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 11:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Update:The Tower of Terror episode will air on Boomerang on Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 9PM CST.  So, does that mean it's safe to say that these episodes are no longer banned?  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 14:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is Boomerange/Cartoon Network the only channels that Pokémon air on? If so, then I'd say yes. Toonami, a Cartoon Network channel plays episodes in the UK, and the Holiday Hi-Jynx episode was played recently. Highway Daytrippers 14:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The series was previously on Kids' WB (which is also a Turner station).  As of recently, Boomerang has been advertising the new Battle Frontier series claiming exclusivity to that channel (their promos say that Boomerang is the only place to "catch 'em all" without moving to Japan).  So it looks like Boomerang is the only place in the US now to see Pokémon.  As well as their parent, Cartoon Network, in other parts.  Still, I don't think that the series was ever on a station not owned by Turner.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 15:19, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banned episodes 

message: Discussion to merge WP:PCP and other sub-projects with WP:CVG!
If you feel strongly, or pro, for this move please leave comments in the section linked above. I personally think merging this project would be very destructive to our goals, we are one of the strongest sub projects, just behind Final Fantasy, with over a dozen GAs and 2 FAs, souly by ourselves. Please leave comments both here and at the main discussion. Highway Daytrippers 20:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: People are bound to get annoyed if we start posting "Pokémon this" and "Pikachu that".  This would destroy the whole project. --Brandon Dilbeck 20:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

text: Thanks to people who have been stating our case to stand as a self standing project, I think we've argued our case quite eloquently. Cheers everyone, Highway Daytrippers 20:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  WP:PCP merging 

message: Just for clarification, would :Category:Pokémon trainers cover people like,
* May (Pokémon)
* Professor Oak
* List of Kanto Gym Leaders
* List of Johto Gym Leaders
* List of Hoenn Gym Leaders
* Drew (Pokémon)
* Harley (Pokémon)
* List of Elite Four Members
* Team Rocket (anime)
* Brock (Pokémon)
* Misty (Pokémon)
* Tracey (Pokémon)
* Giovanni (Pokémon)
Because it isn't that clear cut, May trains Pokémon for battle, it's just another type of battling. And, in at least one medium, Professor Oak battles. And Misty isn't there at all, which is quite suprising. Generally, what are you thoughts? Highway Daytrippers 07:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: May, Drew, and Harley would go under :Category:Pokémon coordinators(I hope I spelled that right) category.  I don't know about Proffesser oak, but the rest could probably go under the pokemon trainers cat.--Ac1983fan(yell at me) 11:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Oak was a trainer in the manga. Highway Daytrippers 21:13, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Pokémon trainers 

message: The article isn't particularly well named, since it's not exactly like the video games. Should we change it to something like Hoenn crime syndicates? Highway Daytrippers 09:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm moving the article, if anyone objects afterwards, an admin will gladly reverse the action. Cheers, Highway Daytrippers 16:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Aqua and Team Magma  

message: myTrackerTV (myTalk|myWork|myInbox) 00:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't take it for granted that those are accurate. Bulbapedia's really bare-bones, and nothing's cited. Did you notice that the external links at the bottom are totally irrelevant to the numbers given in the article? --Brandon Dilbeck 16:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Shin'ou numbers? 

message: I've suggested merging the information in Red Gyarados into the article on Gyarados.  Feel free to discuss it.  --Brandon Dilbeck 16:21, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Gyarados into Gyarados 

message: Did anyone else see this article?  It's such a riot!  --Brandon Dilbeck 22:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Funny, but now deleted. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good riddance to bad rubbish.  We didn't need an article explaining which Pokémon slightly resembled turtles.  --Brandon Dilbeck 05:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Turtle Pokemon]] 

message: Has anyone checked this article recently?  I think someone is trying to speedy delete it.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 22:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay.  I wasn't really sure and I couldn't find any reasoning for it to be deleted.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 23:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Entei (Pokémon)]] 

message: Does anyone know anything about what this page is?  Aim to Be a Pokémon Master.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an article about one of the songs played in the opening credits of the Pokémon anime in Japan.  It's not a terribly useful article.  Most of it is a list of Pokémon which appear in the credits...  --Brandon Dilbeck 06:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm wondering if an article like this is needed.  And do you suppose these articles could be merged into another (like the anime, perhaps?): Pokémon 2BA Master and Pokémon World.  -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird article.