Talk:Republic of Molossia

message: Doesn't this article seem a little NPOV?
:Molossia is one of the smallest nations on earth, but what it lacks in size it makes up for in spirit. A sense of humor characterizes most Molossian people, which, coupled with the casual and comfortable western lifestyle, makes Molossia an enjoyable place to visit.
Also, the claims in the article aren't entirely verifiable, as many of them are made either directly or (see Lonely Planet Guide) indirectly by the subject. (Plus, they're a bit ridiculous: a four-person nation at war?)
:On 22 May 2006, Molossia was attacked by the nearby small nation of Mustachistan, resulting in a brief war with that nation. That war ended on 8 June 2006, with a resounding Molossian victory.
Examination of Molossia's website will reveal photographs purporting to be of Mustachistani forces which are undoubtedly those of 'President' Baugh and his son, Molossia's supposed enemy in the 'war'. Surely this is a role playing game involving dressing up in fancy dress and playing childish games, and has no place in a serious encyclopaedia.
This isn't a AfD proposal, but the article looks a lot like a vanity page. So, if this article remains as it is, maybe an AfD nomination isn't completely out of the quesion. --75.108.162.241 22:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would certainly support an AFD proposal. I almost AFDed when I was new page patrolling, but I decided against it based on the fact that all of these micronations seem to end up with the result of no consensus after big fights on their AFDs (This is a baised sample though, given that micronations which are delted wouldn't be in the list of micronations... hmmm... Irongargoyle 23:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Molossia is one of the better known whimsical micronations, and has received extensive coverage in the print and electronic media over many years. Proposed AFD would not be appropriate. The article does need lots of work tho. --125.253.33.101 20:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD? 

message: This article is written "in universe", and it bears 3 maintenance templates. It needs to be improved to meet WP:NPOV, WP:NOR, WP:RS and WP:V, or it will be nominated for deletion. --kingboyk 22:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup needed 

message: I have marked this article as NPOV. It appears to have been written by the author of this nation (as indeed, the image uploader claims to be the author). I derive this claim from the fact that no neutral information about this "republic" is presented - it's presented as a de facto state, when it isn't so whatsoever. There are no third party mentions of this "republic" whatsoever. The Evil Spartan 19:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV 

message: : Please delete, I thought Wikipedia was a serious page, might as well add imaginary worlds children dream up.
If i started my own page on my backgarden as a micronation wouldn't that get deleted? This is absurd and as such should be deleted. it is not even recognised by the USA. 86.137.38.2 (talk) 12:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I completely agree, this is a silly and pointless page Philbuck222 (talk) 12:39, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

text: I have a hard enough time convincing friends and family to use Wikipedia, and pages like this don't help.  So some attention starved person in Nevada likes to pretend he has his own country.  Who cares.  Please get this off Wikipedia. Scottrick49 (talk) 14:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

text: Not if your backgarden received coverage in a published book and a number of newspaper articles, television programs, etc.  Been there, done that, survived the AfD.  Molossia meets Wikipedia's notability guideline. PubliusFL (talk) 17:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

text: Let's not forget that, technically, anybody who wishes to start their own country can under the Montevideo Convention. I've done a lot of cleaning up on this page. I see no reason why it should be deleted.--Lowbudgetmoviecritic (talk) 21:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  That's settled it, I'm going to create my own micronation when I get back from work. Viva la revolutione! Philbuck222 (talk) 08:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Go for it!  If you get non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources, let us know and we'll even write up a Wikipedia article for you. :) PubliusFL (talk) 16:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh don't worry I will. First thing I'll do is Declare War on the Republic of Molossia and get papers to write about that! Philbuck222 (talk) 17:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This should be deleted. Perhaps another go at AFD? The coverage in the refs appears to be passing reference or sources lacking independence from the subject. Fails WP:N. Edison (talk) 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Excellent. Let's get this article deleted! One more article that has been unduly created that will now be deleted. The quality of wikipedia will strive! Philbuck222 (talk) 22:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I was in the paper once when I was 3 years old.  Can I have my own Wikipedia article?  No, seriously though - this is nonsense.  Let's delete it. Bazonka (talk) 21:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Although there is a great deal of controversy surrounding the legitimacy of Molossia, it has been mentioned several times in print, television and online. Although a cleanup could certianly be useful, it would be pointless to delete the article.--Spymoviefan (talk) 23:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up the article and added some NPOV content and then Spymoviefan deleted it with more in-universe style promo.  I reverted. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text:  continues to delete my NPOV edits, I continue to revert. Would any other editors like to try to improve this article?  One edit Spy makes is to remove the adjective "humorous" describing the news coverage. The word seems accurate to me. Other opinions?  -Colfer2 (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

text: If there is non-trivial coverage about this in multiple reliable sources then they should be in the article. Currently all we have as a reliable source is the Lonely Planet guide. Unless the sourcing is improved, the article is liable to be deleted. (BTW wikinews is not usually consider a reliable source) Nil Einne (talk) 08:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've done quite a bit of editing on this artilce today, adding sources and images, creating new subjects, adding links, etc. I think it would be best to keep it this way for the time being, until new information can be added. I tried to make it more NPOV, as the previous version was, in my opinion, downplaying Molossia as little more than a joke. Although the country may be humorous, the people there appear to take themselves seriously. It would only be decent to respect their views. The current article does not glorify Molossia, it only delivers the facts straight from their website and other sources. --Spymoviefan (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I reverted the edits were were entirely non-NPOV, without reliable sources, nor an external perspective.  Humorous, but it seems Spymovie fan should develop his or her own wiki project for Molossia where he or she can develop his or her ideas without hindrance. -Colfer2 (talk) 04:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I undid Colfer2's edit as the previous version was written by Philbuck222, who has stated that he wants this article to be deleted, and therefore did not make an NPOV contribution to it. I see nothing that glorifies Molossia in my version, everything is taken straight from the Molossian Government's website. It would appear that there is a great deal of bias towards Molossia from Wikipedians, which is evident on this discussion page.--Spymoviefan (talk) 00:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Refs from Molossia.org are not neutral.  Nor would an article about the USA be based solely on White House press releases.  Get real colonel, I am trying to save this article.  Your edits will lead to its deletion. -Colfer2 (talk) 07:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is a cesspool of lobbyists and special interest groups who gatekeep "serious" articles. We need a little brevity. Also, taking wikipedia seriously is a big no no. Noobie mistake.
-G  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.44.123.204 (talk) 22:23, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should this be a candidate for deletion? 

message: I've noticed that Molossian flag resembles that of Uzbekistan. Any connection between two of 'em? 89.236.214.174 (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The flag is identical to the one of Ladinia, which measures 1,200 square kilometers.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.7.112.133 (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flag 

message: http://www.chicagotribune.com/video/?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=2650677 --TIB (talk) 16:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The Tribune source also says Molossia was in fact named after the Greek tribe, contrary to what this article says. Kristamaranatha (talk) 02:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Chicago Tribune did a Video Tour 

message: Editor  proposed the article for deletion, using the Template:Dated prod, for uncontroversial deletion candidates.  I reverted, because WP:Proposed deletion#How to nominate requires:
In this case the reason was "fictional country."  I am reverting because there was no edit summary, nor any entry on this talk page to explain the editor's reasoning.
This reversion deletes the template, which is equivalent to objecting to the deletion as uncontroversial.  -Colfer2 (talk) 14:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Note after I wrote this there was an edit conflict with an anonymous IP making the same removal of the template. -Colfer2 (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed Deletion (Dated prod template) 

message: Being that Molossia is sovereign, must it pay property tax to Lyon County in Nevada?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.165.109 (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tax 

message: There is presently a significant amount of "in universe" and POV content within this article:
* The reference to the "intermicronational games" and "international world exposition" are unverifiable and should be removed completely. These were not real or noteworthy events in any case, but merely a couple of web pages on the Molossian website.
* The "government" section is highly POV. Terms such as "government", "laws" and "foreign relations" need to be removed completely. 
* References to meetings with other micronation leaders, "recognition" of other micronations etc is in-universe content that should be removed.
* The article tone suggests that Molossia has the potential to be a "real" microstate on an equal footing with Andorra, San Marino and the like. It should instead emphasise the fact that it is considered to be a sort of quirky, eccentric slightly humorous 1-man art project by most observers and commentators.  
Unless anyone has any particular objections I propose implementing the above changes. --Gene poole (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: In universe / POV content

message: Agree, Kevin Baugh should merge into Republic of Molossia.  That is his notability. -Colfer2 (talk) 21:40, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is not an article about a nation or its national leader. It is an article about a micronation. The person who created that micronation has not done anything else in their life that is sufficiently notable that the creation of a separate article is in any way justifiable. We do not simply repeat the same information in multiple different articles because people feel like it. Redundant content should always be merged. Please provide evidence that Mr Baugh is noteworthy for something other than being associated with his micronation if you wish to present a rational case for the retention of 2 separate articles. --Gene poole (talk) 04:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge proposal 

message: What was this like two minutes ago Mr. bsrboy? There is nothing in the history but I have made a screen shot. --Lofor (talk) 14:54, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  vandalism 

message: Do we really need to have the section on the Legitimacy of Molossia ? All it does is point out obvious facts that make it not a real country. Or would that be blasphamy considering the people of Wikipedia NEED to have every fact down ? Also, the section on the talk page that talks about possible deletion of this article is idiotic. All it does is prove that the Wiki-Dogs have no sense of fun and whimsy. The Wiki-Nazi's hate anything that they cannot add to their pompous dictionary of knowledge that they each own. I went off topic, but seriously, do we need that Section ?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.168.165 (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes we do. --Gene poole (talk) 02:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Great answer. I figured that seeing as how I questioned the wisdom of the Wiki-dogs that I would get no answer. But you have no idea how pleased I am that the great Wiki-Dogs have taken time out of their busy schedule to respond to me. Thank you oh conceited one.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.233.168.165 (talk) 03:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to get yourself permanently banned, posting personal abuse is a great way to go about it. --Gene poole (talk) 05:26, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

text:  People like to fill these articles with fluff to keep the incredibly stupid from falling behind... y'know, like a real encylopedia. Just look at the way Wikipedia collectively craps itself whenever something about a work of fiction is added that requires some background on the fictional world it takes place in. 198.7.245.75 (talk) 06:31, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Legitimacy 

message: The ChicagoTribune link appears to be dead. 86.156.237.206 (talk) 23:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dead Link 

message: Molossia claims its name is derived from a Spanish word "Morro", yet an archived version of the website clearly claims a link to the ancient Greek Molossia, albeit a very tenuous link via the President's Italian great-grandfather.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThorgilsSkarthi (talk • contribs) 19:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Origin of Name 

message: With Molossia being featured in the second anniversary video of the popular website That Guy With The Glasses, this article deserves a little close watching because their fans will try to edit the article. Suggestion: At most, the "invasion" by the That Guy With the Glasses reviewers deserves a brief mention here, no more than 2-3 sentences (sourced, of course). The bulk of the details should go to the That Guy With The Glasses page. Individual episode summaries need to go to List of The Nostalgia Critic episodes. RaiderRich2001 (talk) 13:19, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Molossia and That Guy With The Glasses 

message: It says the membership is 11, but is that the same as population? Like anyone can declare membership through the internet or something, but how many live on the property?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.8.8.19 (talk) 15:24, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Membership? 

message: The article doesn't go into details about whether Molossia pays taxes to the United States, or whether they rely on the U.S. to provide utilities, etc. To be fair, I'm not sure if any of the "micronation" articles address this topic. But is the information available? -BaronGrackle (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dependency questions 

message: I for one never heard of this place until the Channel Awesome internet movie. I'd imagine I'm not the only one. The event has been mentioned on the Molossia official website blog. So, what would make it notable? -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably Molossia's statement about it. Look. Nobody cares what you don't know. It's the only thing that's happened to the Republic in years. It's notable the way Monaco getting an outbreak of avian flu would be. Your pal, Captain Not-Notable already deleted it, like any good vandal, without discussion. Problem solved. 198.7.245.75 (talk) 06:26, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  EDIT: Nevermind; I see you're just a school IP. -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  And now that we've seen the wit of someone who must have thought that was a "sick ice burn" when it was still in his head, only to come out... well... as written, do you have anything to add concerning the article? 198.7.245.75 (talk) 02:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

text:  Someone else restored the information already. Thanks, though. -BaronGrackle (talk) 13:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nostalgia Critic non-notable? 

message: Ayleron President Had Try to Take Over Molossia. East Germany & Ayleron are Same Micronarions, Ayleron's Nickname is East Germany. Ayleron Republic's Membership is 8000 of Communists & Anti-Americans.
Ayleron Presidential Aide.
Ayleron Republic is Mother of All Micronations Also the Ayleron Republic claims to formed an country on December 1 7001?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.188.106.35 (talk) 02:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Get a life. 89.182.49.50 (talk) 22:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  LOL what is this Negativecharge (talk) 18:47, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ayleron Nation's Attempt to Take Over Molossia Republic. 

message: Some bored guy creates a page about his silly hobby, and all the Wikilawyers get into purse-fights over the legitimacy of sources and who reverted what.
Delete this whole silly collection of crap.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.228.163.132 (talk) 20:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  And thus we see why no one takes Wikipedia seriously... 

message: Molossia is far less notable than other articles that have been deleted for being not notable. 174.24.69.137 (talk) 16:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Delete 

message: So some of you had a discussion about whether to delete, and you *DECIDED NOT TO?!!*  No doubt, you were on drugs when the determination was made?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.173.49.83 (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: if you feel that way: request it to be deleted. Jarkeld (talk) 11:23, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I stumbled across this and it's the stupedist thing I've yet seen on Wikipedia.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heathcliff (talk • contribs) 01:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it is stupid - he's doing what he likes to and he's happy. And famous. --User:OCCullens  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C50F:6FE0:F81B:CEF5:B48B:2FB4 (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

text: It's certainly one of the most influential American micronations, and has a strong pop culture presence to boot. Then again, I'm an inclusionist. Uberstadt (talk) 05:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  OMG DELETE ALREADY!!! 

message: Let's please try and keep the Wikipedia article about this project in the context of the real world: they don't have real wars; the tax assessment wasn't an invasion by US forces, and didn't cause any outcry, and people who visit his house don't constitue "international tourism".  
And before you call me a killjoy, it's perfectly OK to fun with micronations as a hobby, and even to write encyclopedia-style articles about them.  The place for that is at the micronations wiki. --Slashme (talk) 12:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As an admin over there, I would like you to please keep us out of this. --User:OCCullens  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:C50F:6FE0:F81B:CEF5:B48B:2FB4 (talk) 00:03, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  More on in-universe discussion 

message: I'll leave the link with the official introduction of Molossia in the comic strip "It's a treasure box of countries" (link in Japanese) http://www.geocities.jp/himaruya/tamate.html and just in case the fan translation (take in account that Himaruya explicitly allows fan translation of the strip of his blogs, as long as they don't use scans of the manga volumes) http://www.hetarchive.net/scanlations/nonlinear.php?tamate
It would be much appreciated if someone could include them in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.174.6.234 (talk) 15:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axis Powers Hetalia Citations 

message: no need of a separate article for the currency of a micronation. Skr15081997 (talk) 07:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree, especially given the lack of information on the Valora article. Uberstadt (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed merge with [[Valora (currency)]] 

message: What editors are involved at merging the articles Republic of Molossia and Valora (currency)?
112.198.90.236 (talk) 05:31, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Involved editors 

message: The section on the Molossia fan club cites no sources and bears little relevance to the main topic of the article. I woud like to remove it within 72 hours for these reasons. Is anyone opposed to this? Uberstadt (talk) 06:01, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: As I see it, it can be removed. It doesn't add anything of value to the article. Jarkeld (talk) 06:26, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fan club 

message: Going hand-in-hand with the proposal to merge Valora (currency) into this page, I propose that one section, titled "Economy," be created in this article, consisting of the content of Valora and the current section on the postal service. This puts most economic activity (aside from tourism, which I think warrants its own section) under one heading, and gives the dwarf section that is the postal service a bigger home. Uberstadt (talk) 20:46, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy proposal 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I founded this pages:
http://www.molossia.org/article409.html
http://www.molossia.org/article411.html
http://www.molossia.org/article410.html
This is an a "true" source?
JesusAnt 5 (talk) 03:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some bibliography 

message: 169.244.116.71 (talk) 17:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is pretty amusing.  

message: The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
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thread_title:  A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion 

message: I appreciate the user who added to the lead that Molossia "is a micronation created for comedic value," though still looking at the infobox, the micronation still appears to be a legitimate political entity. The established governments, the currency, the time zone, etc. None of these are verified by any other sources except for the website http://www.molossia.org/. These claims are not backed up by any historian, economist, or any academic professional. I will likely remove these from the infobox if there is no objection. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: Is this subject really notable enough to have its own Wikipedia article? Primal Groudon (talk) 20:35, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It's been nominated for deletion three times (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republic of Molossia (3rd nomination)). The most recent one was 2020. All three strongly resulted in "keep". So, community consensus is yes, it's notable enough for its own article. You're welcome to nominate it for deletion again if you like. But, it's doubtful such a nomination would result in delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability  

message: I think it would be better that the last parts about paying property tax and his quote should be moved to the history section. it is not a very defining trait that it pays property tax to the county in specific. But the part where it is not entirely his should be kept. Mabye moved as a sort of "in the present day he still pays the government taxes" you know what i mean Bebecoolbro (talk) 04:44, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Introduction movement 

message: Molossia seems to be interpreted by Wikipedia users as a deliberately fictional story or a joke more often than not. I am not asking you to believe that Molossia is on-par with actually recognized microstates. I am not stating that you should take Molossia seriously. However, Kevin Baugh and other proponents of micronations believe their efforts to be real, per interviews and articles written by them. Editing this article to state that it is a joke, satire, roleplay, or a fictional story will cause Baugh and his associates to edit bomb this page. They have previously attempted to start fights on forums and social media sites, as well as harass Wikipedia users, for claiming it is anything but a serious political movement. Adding any information on Molossia's legitimacy (past objectively correct facts, such as being unrecognized by the UN) should be treated as a subjective opinion. It is best that Molossia be left without any indication of it being real or fake, to prevent arguments from both sides. Yes, it is hard to take seriously, but a large group of people- including its leader- take it very seriously. If you wish to debate Molossia's legitmacy, the MicroWiki, a wiki site exclusively operated by micronationalists, can appropriately host information like that. CherriGasoline (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Future editors: Molossia is not a joke, roleplay, or purposefully fictional story 

message: Should we include the claimed territories and provinces of Molossia, namely Desert Homestead, Farfalla, and Neptune Deep, in the article and in the land area? The former two are claimed by, and legally owned by, Kevin Baugh, just as the main area is. Neptune Deep is an area in the Indian Ocean (at the antipode of Molossia) which is not legally owned by anyone, but is claimed by Molossia. I think that the first two should definitely be mentioned (and maybe included in the land area), and Neptune Deep should be at least mentioned somewhere. Jlchips (talk) 00:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Territories of Molossia