Talk:Vladimir Khodov

message: Oops! Finally I found the entire Moskovskiy Komsomolets article.
Criminal Ukraine
It does answer a few questions. It now seems the attempt to de-rail the Moscow to Vladikavkaz train happened close to ... Elkhotovo. The weapons find was not the last one in the neighbourhood before Beslan. Explains why some police may have thought something was afoot in Elkhotovo.
 
Very old news, but proving that he was indeed wanted for terrorist actions at the moment he was quietly living with his mother in the summer of 2004:
http://news.flexcom.ru/russia/2004/02/21/32016/
:Some pictures here: http://www.newsru.com/russia/29may2004/rtain.html
:I found a Russian road map with Elkhotovo on it. It is North West of Beslan, but still in the "southern" part of Northeren Ossetia. Close to the border, and 40 km from Beslan. The railroad line is also indicated here. it splits up in Beslan.--pgp 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Vladikavkaz train

message: We needed a citation that he was charged with rape, yes? Now here we have an extraordinary account of VK's adventures after that incident. I must say other sources (again police officers informally quoted by journalists) have him going to a medressa in Dagestan, or even to Syria - but this account seems more detailed:
http://www.vremya.ru/2004/166/4/107465.html
So, not Krasnodar on the way to Maikop, but Maikop itself. pgp
--pgp 22:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Another comment would be that http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1315871,00.html indicates that Khodov converted to Islam in prison...in prison for what?  He seemling wasn't jailed for the rape or market bombing, so what? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 15:29, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

text: This page is in fact based on the Vremya Novostey article I quoted. They just left out Cherkessia. No independent source, just proves other people believe the Vremya assertions. In my first quote, I left out the Wahhabite thing on Adygea (Maykop is in Adygea!). Local police in Russian regions with a 10-25% muslim minority (according to the website of Adygean local government only 22.9 % of the inhabitants are Adygean, and not all are muslims - it obtains also for Northern Ossetia and even Kabardino-Balkaria, since the Kabardins seem almost immune to Wahhabitism) tend to use the Wahhabite epithet very fast. So we need to be careful about that one. Borik a Wahhabite? He just did not have the time and oppurtunity to become one. He seems to have spent most of the first half of 2003 smuggling weapons and drugs. As for Vladimir - I think he must been with the Wahhabites in July 2003 at the latest, when he left the training camp to bury his brother.--pgp 22:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Rape

message: 3) factual mistake: his brother Boris/Borik (unclear for me whether Borik is a diminutive, or the Ossetian version of Boris) did not "abduct Iriston Gabisova's brother"  (the -a at the end of the name, indicating a woman, is a giveaway!) but Sveta Gabisova and was killed by her brother Iriston Gabisov. This was in a Guardian article, quoted in:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1315871,00.html
:::Boris-Borik. According to my wife (who is from the extreme North West of Ukraine) Borik is a normal diminutive for Boris (next to Borya, Borenchik ...) in parts of the Ukraine and Southern Russia. Perhaps it is also the version Ossetians prefer. But most people probably knew about Boris/Borik only from the mouth of Vladimir, and he was a bit older, so perhaps inclined to use the diminutive.
:::I think I read somewhere Boris converted to Islam in prison. Perhaps his half-brother converted while visiting him? I also started to think that Boris may have got a seven year conviction, but did not serve so long - but I agree that is original research and needs substantiation.
:::: No, again I was wrong here. Boris seems to have been born in 1980 - which means he was 16 when imprisoned, 23 when he got out and abducted Sveta, someone he had known at school. In fact, I was almost there - he got eight years but served a bit less than seven. --pgp 10:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By the way, I think we can safely assume Vladimir and Boris were half-brothers (we have two sources claiming Boris was also a son of Vladimir's mother), and after the adoption they became fulll brothers, so step-brother is wrong in my view. As for the first sentence "(Khodov) was considered likely to be one of the six leaders" - would not "is considered likely to have been" be better? User:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 20:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: (I agree on the is/was, sorry) - I assumed Borik was Anatoly's son, is that wrong?  Do we have any indication that Aleksandra was married when Vladimir was born?  She would need to have two different husbands/men for Vladimir and Borik to be half-brothers. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 22:48, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I remember reading "rodila Borisa" somewhere. Her son therefore, but, you are right, also Anatoly's. It now seems likely he was born in 1980 (see info on his conviction), so may have been conceived in the Ukraine. This early birth in fact more or less counterdicts one of my silent assumptions, which ran as follows. One of the reasons why Berdyansk residents remember Vladimir as having stayed there after his mother left, was that he came back there for the summer holidays. Reasonable assumption: such travel in Soviet days was typical (both parents worked) and cheap (but uncomfortable). However, nobody in Berdyansk remembers Boris. Strange - perhaps Boris was sent somewhere else because the people looking after his brother there were relatives of his natural father? Doubtful, I agree. Too bad, actually: Vladimir's trips to the Ukraine may actually explain why Vladimir's name seems to have continued to be Samoshkin for some time [Original Research: and may have led to an identity crisis when the Soviet Union collapsed - explains how he evolved]. As for Vladimir's father - every source claims Anatol' adopted him. We do not know his original "otchestvo" -  Samoshkin may be the maculinization of his mother's name. In that case he must have been registered at birth as "father unknown". The way many sources phrase how Anatol' came back, after some protracted business in the Ukraine, with a wife and a son, and obviously not his own - I am inclined to believe that Vladimir was born earlier than we now have. Many sources also claim he was 27 at the time of the siege, by the way.--pgp 10:24, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

text: I just noted that Der Spiegel says he abducted her on the first of ... July. He wanted to marry her, she did not want him. Relatives took her back, but he continued to stalk her. The shooting took place on the 19th. According to the letter of the 30 villagers , Iriston was unarmed shen he came out of the house but in the end, turned Boris's weapon against him. After making peace between the families they tried to bury Boris on the 22nd of July. --pgp 14:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Borik

message: I am just using a translator, so help me if I am wrong “Внимание, розыск! Разыскивается Владимир Ходов, 1976 г.р., уроженец с. Эльхотово says he was born in 1976, yes? Also, doesn't that article state that the FBS got Vladimir's mother to phone? The rough translation I see is On the second floor, in the apartment, where it is prescribed it is running it lives its mother, already several evenings it does not burn light. They immediately drove away woman in the militia machine. But they then transmitted to special services. - Voloden'ka, let go kiddies, convinced its mother. - just they that to you poor made?. With the son she talked on the telephone several times. Special services greatly hoped that the mother will be able it somehow to influence. It is useless. Is running itself it ended any contact. - do not ring to me more, he said to it. And it were requested. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 11:00, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, my Russian is slightly better than that automatic translator, I presume. I actually understand why it is making some of these mistakes. (No, do not take this to rely on me 100%) You are absolutely right that it asserts that the FSB got Alexandra to phone Khodov at the school. Here goes my version: "On the second floor of  the apartment [first floor in British English, by the way], where Khodov was registered, and lives his mother, for several evenings no light has been on. They immediately drove away the woman in a Militia [police] car. But they then transferred her to the special services. - Voloden'ka, let the kiddies go, his mother begged him. "did they ever do anything bad to you?." She talked to her son on the telephone several times. The special services greatly hoped that the mother would be able somehow to influence him. It was useless. Khodov himself ended any contact. - do not ring me anymore, he said to her. And he bade her farewell. Oops, forgot to confirm date of birth: 1976, yes.
 --pgp 11:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hrm, that raises another question though, that indicates that the authorities knew the identities of at least some of the hostagetakers, during the siege - maybe I am wrong, but I thought that was not the case? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 19:04, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose they must have noted what was happening in and around Elkhotovo. And the guy who went in and took the babies out may have provided some information as well. In any case they may have gone to his mother and have her phone him, just on spec. --pgp 19:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well they were all theoretically wearing balaclavas, though during the Ruslan negotiations you can see that Polkovnik(?) definitely had removed his mask - so it's vaguely possible that Ruslan managed to identify a random rapist accused of complicity in a train attack, but very doubtful, no?  Or to just say "Hi, can you phone the school and ask to speak to Vlad...see if they're dumb enough to say "Okay, one second", lol ;)  I am intrigued now though, whether he identified himself first, or somebody recognised him, or maybe his mother went to authorities herself?  I don't know Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:22, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The attacks

message: Prima may just have been filling in a (big) hole:
http://vypusk.kursk.ru/pic/Beslan.doc
"А по данным службы безопасности Украины – он до 2000 года проживал в квартире своего деда в Бердянске, скрываясь от уголовного преследования."
According to Ukrainian security services, [from 1998] to 2000 he lived in the apartment of his grandfather in Berdyansk, hiding from prosecution"
In fact, four years from 1998 to the end of 2002 sounds a bit much for just learning in a madrassa and participating (mostly as a cook)in Chechnya. The second war only started in september 1999.--pgp 22:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Berdyansk again

message: This article was categorised into 'Deaths in 2004', but I don't see any evidence here that he was actually killed during the Beslan siege. At the very least, his fate is disputed, as shown by the numerous contradictory claims about it in the article. I have replaced the category with , and I think it should stay that way until someone can provide definite evidence that he is dead. Terraxos 23:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is he still alive?

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message: The current version of the article states that Khodov was «one of the six (!) leaders of the gang». What is the source of this information? Is there a list that was published somewhere? As Russian sources point out, there were only 3 terrorists who played a leading role during the siege of the school:
* Ruslan Khuchbarov («Polkovnik») - the leader of the group;
* Aslan-Girey Gatagazhev («Ali») - Khuchbarov's second-in-command, he participated in the telephone negotiations with the operational HQ;
* Vladimir Khodov («Abdullah»).
In 2004, there were allegations that Magomed Yevloyev (real name - Ali Taziev, aka «Magas») was one of the commanders of the terrorists who seized the school in Beslan, but this information was not confirmed later. Ali Taziev was captured by the FSB in June 2010 and is currently serving two life sentences in a high-security prison in Russia. Arbeite19 (talk) 10:32, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  «Six leaders of the hostage-takers»