Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics/Archive 12

message: I've posed a question on that talk page about setting up tables for members and ordering them chronologically, but haven't gotten a response. Somebody did a good job of adding given names and I want to expand on that. I thought I'd bring it up here because it touches on how membership lists should be ordered, by date or alphabetically. Are there guidelines for this? CovenantD 20:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, in the resounding lack of a response, I'm going ahead. CovenantD 16:01, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[List of Legion of Super-Heroes members]]

message: Could members from this project just take a decision as to whatthey want done with this template? I closed the nomination as improper, but it is left unused as of now. Circeus 03:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:GreenLantern]] 

message: I'm prodding this article about a comic because notability isn't clearly established.  I'm also not sure if it is a webcomic or paper comic.  Described as a "cult classic" in the article.  To me that says it is only significant in a small niche, and I can't size the niche.  GRBerry 20:53, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Just by checking out the categories I found out what Viz really is, and it's this: Viz (comic). You'll find a lot more characters with the same issues you described if you follow the Viz characters category. Considering the length of the Viz article though, I think a case can easily by made for notability. Kusonaga 21:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Prod: [[Ivan Jelical]] 

message: I just came across Super-Soldier, and I am kind of surprised that it exists. Parts of the article are from an in-world perspective, with regard to comicbooks fitionally published by the fictitious publisher Amalgam Comics. These characters are just derivatives of existing DC and Marvel characters who make maybe a handful of appearances, and they really ought to be merged into the applicable sections of those articles (cross-overs, alternate versions) where appropriate. --Chris Griswold 02:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed.  I've put in a line or so on the Captain America page to mention Super-Soldier.  Haven't done so on Superman, because the article doesn't already contain an "alternate versions" section - I guess this either means there aren't any (in which case there's not much point in creating a new section just to mention Super-Soldier) or that I'll need to find out what other alternate Supermen there are.  Also, should we serve a "deletion" or a "merge" notice on Super-Soldier? Gamesmaster 20:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good idea. --Chris Griswold 18:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Amalgam characters 

message: Just been checking through the list of requested articles and I came across something called "superpowers comparison."  I'm not 100% sure what it wants.  Does it want comparisons of superpowers themselves, or of the heroes who have them?  Should it be anything more than a list of superpowers, and if so, is it really required, given that we already have one of those?  It sounds a bit non-encylopedia, more like the sort of poll you'd get on a fansite rather than on Wikipedia.  Thought I should open this up for discussion before I try to do anything with it.  Gamesmaster 11:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe we should compare flying with invisibility? --Chris Griswold 13:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a completely useless original research magnet to me... --Fritz S. (Talk) 13:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Probably somebody wanting game stats, Official Handbook info or a DC/Marvel comparison (e.g. Superman v Hulk). I say it doesn't need to exist. CovenantD 16:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Crossovers? Oh, please, I say no. Definitely no. —Lesfer (talk/@) 16:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Inclined to agree.  Any reason why I can't remove it? Gamesmaster 20:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Quickly, very quickly. CovenantD 20:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Gamesmaster 20:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superpowers comparison? 

message: I would like to bring to your attention the nomination of Batman for FARC. Please leave your comments or try to improve the article to avoid defeaturing it. Joelito (talk) 14:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Batman]] 

message: I've created an article for longtime DC artist Howard Purcell — who drew the cover of the Golden Age Green Lantern #1, co-created Sargon the Sorcerer, DC's Enchantress and other characters,  and whose work appears on the cover of the just-release All Star Archives Vol. 0 — yet I might have reached a dead end.  I'm finding little material on him online or in the print sources I've had a chance to consult so far.
I can't even find his birth and presumed death dates (which is a sad truth of many of the old professionals who died before the current mainstream interest in comics; see George Klein (comics)). I also can't track down so far if he's any relation to present-day artist Gordon Purcell.
If anyone has any source material on Howard Purcell, it'd be great to flesh out the article with some additional biographics basics of his life, education, and career. Thanks! --Tenebrae 19:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Howard's end?

message: I have archived articles up until three weeks ago.--Chris Griswold 21:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Archive

message: I move that we fold the animated versions of DC's characters into the character's main article. There is no reason we need separate entries for these derivatives.
Current disputes can be seen at Talk:Power Girl and Talk:Animated Series Batman. Previously, Hawkgirl (animated).--Chris Griswold 21:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. There's absolutely no reason to give these characters their own page. Kusonaga 22:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sounds good to me too.  Postdlf 22:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, the Hawkgirl merge was turned down. And there is strong support on the Power Girl talk page not to integrate her DCAU counterpart Galatea, despite her obvious basis in the character. (Appearance, mention of bustline, relationship to Supergirl as an alternate version of her.) --Chris Griswold 02:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Except for space reasons. Most of the animated versions have too little material based on them to deserve their own article. But others are distinct characters with a long career behind them. The animated John Stewart, for example, should just be listed in the John Stewart (Comics) article. On the other hand, adding the Animated Batman material to the parent Batman article would just bloat it out even more. Wilfredo Martinez 00:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is Batman in other media as another tier separate from the Batman main article.  And beyond that, there are articles on the separate animated shows, which could possibly be expanded into articles on seasons, and individual episodes (if this hasn't already been done).  The character article can just explain the basics of the animated character without getting into a play-by-play of everything that character had been through.  The complete "biography" that Animated Series Batman attempts is mostly inappropriate in-world fiction and OR inferences at any rate.  Postdlf 00:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't think we can just do a blanket merge.  I agree that we probably should in the case of characters where the names, characters and etc are sufficiently similar or identical, but there's some cases certainly where the animated "versions" of characters are different enough that there's a case for separate articles.  For example, I personally would think that Galatea is sufficiently separate from Power Girl to keep them in separate articles. Gamesmaster 15:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with that stance. I've read that Galatea was created because the JLU writers wanted to use Power Girl but her origin wasn't settled yet, and DC wanted the on-screen characters to match the comic versions. I need to find a hard copy of this claim, though. --Chris Griswold 04:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  DCAU Animated version entries 

message: For his time-consuming volunteer efforts organizing WikiProject Comics, his lending a helping hand to many newbies and others, and his efforts on the entire history of comics and not just what's popular now, I've nominated Hiding for a Wikihalo award. Please see details and give your comments here. I have notified the nominee. -- Tenebrae 13:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The nominee withdrew, and I respectfully accept his decision. -- Tenebrae 15:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Wikihalo nomination

message: Newest category I'd suggest for deletion: "Category:Fictional eyepatch wearers|Fury, Nick" -- Tenebrae 15:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: THAT IS IMPORTANT! You underestimate that category's importance to a one-eyed child! --Chris Griswold 18:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A whole category dedicated to a pirate accessory with only one pirate? --Newt 18:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A travesty! --Chris Griswold 18:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Give me a credible reason and I'll list it. CovenantD 18:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

text: It's a totally unnecessary category? It's based around a single pirate accessory? There's just not enough people for it? Will any of these do? Gamesmaster 19:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There may be enough people for it. It could be early in the life of that category.  It seems trivial, but if there could be some sort of running theme for the characters that requires an eyepatch of them it may not be.  --Newt 20:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Oh, c'mon

message: Is it ok that I gave the character Demona a SHB box? She isn't really a comicbook character, though the series' creator Greg Weisman is continuing the Gargoyles continuity in a comicbook series this summer. --DrBat 23:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demona SHB 

message: Who wants to work with me on putting together a complete stylebook for this Wikiproject?
I want to address grammar and writing errors primarily seen in the comics articles, proper image selection, the use of the SHB, the format of the articles, and general guidelines/policies. This would incorporate existing guidelines, as well as information culled from this talk page's archives. --Chris Griswold 00:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There's a great guideline being established now that would be a great jumping off point: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction).  Postdlf 00:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's what I was thinking. In fact, I think we should monitor or contribute to the progress of that project, so that the comicbook articles aren't negatively affected by it. For instance, the "Describe this universe" section at the very beginning. --Chris Griswold 00:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Does this mean we can't write fictional character biographies per the superhero template?  If so, we're in for a lot of slash and burn editing.  --Newt 02:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: That proposal would be very destructive to writing about comic books.  It would force complete rewrites of very good articles.  I think Watchmen has more or less the right balance, and includes plot information and what they are calling "out-of-universe" information.  I don't see why this encyclopedia cannot contain both. — Estarriol talk 08:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I don't know if it would be destructive but it would require rewritings of hundreds of articles, if not more. And I do agree that an in-universe POV synopsis is acceptable as long as it is clearly framed as being part of a fictional creation. That seems to be the standard in these cases. Wilfredo Martinez 05:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Incidentally, that proposal cites Captain Marvel (DC Comics) and Spoo, amongst others, as being appropriate.  Thoughts? — Estarriol talk 08:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It fits less Spoo and more the Captain Marvel article that there is no fictional character biography (which is to be included per the character article template) but rather an extended publication history.  There is an origin story and a storied list of changes to the publication of the character (rebirths and reboots and revitalization attempts), but nothing so extensive (and uncited) as Magneto (comics).  This does make for a more informative article, so my question is: is there much point in wholesale editing of many of the "fictional character biographies" to be in literary present tense when the "in-universe" info should rather largely be phased out with mostly the notable changes to the character spoken of, and the writer who made the changes, possibly why the changes were made, etc.?  Daredevil (Marvel Comics) seems like it's on its way there at least in the realm of "biography". Or am I just totally reading this new guide wrong?  I am still new at this. --Newt ΨΦ 19:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Yeah, count me in - SoM 01:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll do what I can. --Newt 02:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure. CovenantD 03:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Postdlf, we have an excellent guide written at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction) which we should wholesale adopt. Hiding Talk 19:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stylebook 

message: I expanded The Raft (comics) as much as I could from the sources I had at hand (namely New Avengers #1-3). I noticed that there may also be references in Spider-Man: Breakout but I don't have that.  Without a template to guide me, I just added "Background" and "Security features" sections and cleaned up the lead.  I took out the reference to Daredevil as he's an inmate on Ryker's Island not The Raft.  Any more additions are welcome. --Newt 01:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Raft (comics) 

message: The anon-user 69.183.73.241 removed all references of Mystique and Destiny being lovers (this has been confirmed in the comics, btw. It isn't something ambiguous). Would someone mind restoring what he deleted? --DrBat 00:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "Unofficial, but well accepted, was the Mystique-Destiny relationship. Marvel tried not to admit it, but Claremont did, and enough in-comic  evidence exists to be certain on that score. For years, the most definitive evidence was UXM #254. In it, Irene said, "This is Raven as I know her, the spirit-soul within my dearest friend--full of strength  and courage and passion--that I have loved from the moment we met." Later, Mystique said, "Irenie? You had a rough night..is anything the matter?" You can work it out for herself how Mystique would know that. In UXM #265, the Shadow King referred to Destiny as Mystique's leman--an archaic word meaning "lover"--which Chris Claremont seemed to have  sneaked in under the censors' radar. As of the X-Men Forever miniseries  (2001), the two are officially out of the closet, since the recap in issue #5 clearly states that Irene was Raven's lover.  X-Treme X-Men #1 concurs; Mystique is referred to as Destiny's "true love." --DrBat 18:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mystique and Destiny vandalism 

message: Hi! I've updated the collab to Maus, please improve the article! --Jamdav86 09:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Collab 

message: Would someone please take some time to talk to ? Take a look at his recent edits. —Lesfer (talk/@) 22:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Stubborn newbie

message: FYI: Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2006/June#.7B.7BComics-writer-stub.7D.7D .26 .7B.7BComics-artist-stub.7D.7D - SoM 23:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stubs 

message: Note that some Jewish fictional characters are classed as supervillains rather than superheroes, notably Magneto of the X-Men series, and are therefore not categorized here.
Hasn't Magneto been portrayed as a superhero in the past? Even though he may no longer be one (though he has yet to be portrayed villainously since Excalibur), the category should still apply to him.
Not to mention that the Jewish supervillain category, with Mags and Harley Quinn being the only entries, should probably be deleted unless someone can think of other Jewish supervillains.--DrBat 01:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Rename it "Jewish comic book characters" so it applies to both and merge them. CovenantD 01:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. --DrBat 01:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Jewish superheroes 

message: Why is two-thirds of the Chuck Austen weasel words about his run on Ultimate X-Men and New X-Men? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 02:10, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Chuck Austen]] 

message: Please address the usage of commas at Talk: Jason Todd. This shouldn't need mediation; consensus should be able to work out the problem. --Chris Griswold 02:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comma usage debate

message: Is there anyway to be notified of AfD or merger disputes concerning articles in this WikiProject? If not, is there some way we could do this? I feel that sometimes votes come to nothing because editors don't realize they are happening, or they go a direcion they might not were there more editors involved. --Chris Griswold 18:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Tread very, very lightly on that subject. If you create a centralized discussion, people may accuse you of vote-stacking.--Toffile 18:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't understand. --Chris Griswold 19:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Forget that. Most wikiprojects do have some sort of centralized discussion to that effect. You might want to use Wikipedia:LGBT notice board as a template for getting started. The key thing to remember is that when a page is listed, we can't encourage people to vote one way or another (hence why it's usually safest to just provide a link). --InShaneee 19:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've seen vote stacking accusations; I just wasn't sure why a centralized discussion would constitute stacking.--Chris Griswold 19:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with Griswold, a notification of some sort should be in place for editors whose articles may be deleted. Wilfredo Martinez 04:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD / merger notices 

message: The WikiProject Comics Notice Board is a page for editors to list of deletion and merger votes, requests for peer evaluation, and dispute mediation, among other subjects of interest to editors in the Comics WikiProject. --Chris Griswold 04:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notice Board 

message: Can someone come and check out the Batsuit article? Ghetteaux and I are having a *ahem* pissing match (yes I was bad too) about Batman's costume.  I feel that his additions are not adding to the value of the article. He's accusing me of being biased (possibly).  I mostly object to the underoos addition (which I don't feel contributes positivly to a well written article and the following addition, which I feel is overkill and bordering on a peculiar fascination with Batman's crotch.:
; both Superman and Batman are consistently depicted with skimpy, speedo-type groin coverings hugging, defining, and displaying the genital region, worn over skintight, sheer, opaque catsuits. 
Any help is appreciated -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Need some help? - [[Batsuit]] article

message: We have Earth-98, Earth-295 aka Age of Apocalypse, Earth-1121, Earth-120185, Earth-1610 aka Ultimate Marvel, Earth-2122, Earth-295, Earth-31916 aka Supremeverse, Earth-712, Earth-717, Earth-721 aka Earth-A, Earth-98125, Earth-691, and Earth-616.  Instead of giving these separate articles, wouldn't we be better served with a List of Marvel dimensions rather than giving very obscure dimensions their own articles?  I recognize that some of these are viable articles (like Earth-616 which explains why the designation of "616") Are these designations okay (read: fair use) to use on their own, since they're only reported in the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe: Alternate Worlds 2005.  --Newt ΨΦ 00:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes to listify, no to fair use. Redirect the ones that have a proper equivalent - i.e., AoA, Ultimate, etc (except 616, as you note) and condense the rest. The only ones other than 616 to see regular use in any sense are Earth-717 (all the What If 2005 titles explicitly IDed themselves as appearing there) and Earth-S (the original Squadron Supreme... irritatingly the same term used for the pre-Crisis DC Marvel Family). Plus, listifying would allow the introduction of the ones from Counter X X-Man (including [Marvel-]Earth-1) - SoM 01:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So they should be listified, but they're (largely) not fair use.  Does this mean that the list should not contain designations like Earth-717, Earth-98, etc which are only mentioned in the OHOTMU book?  That leaves us with Earth-616, Earth-717, Supremeverse, Ultimate Universe, Earth-S, and AoA, with new addition [Marvel-]Earth-1, correct?  I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and thus to the etiquette of deleting, merging, and whitewashing to turn into redirects.  Can I just do this or should I go through the merging/deletion process for these?  --Newt ΨΦ 13:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I am not sure what the "fair use" worries are. There is no copyright protection for descriptive names such as "Earth-blah-blah-blah", so lists such as those given in Marvel Comics Multiverse are perfectly legitimate. As an asside, an article about a continuity such as Earth-295 is arguably different from an article talking about a storyline such as Age of Apocalypse that takes place within it, or an imprint like the Ultimate. I would tend to favour more "Earth-blah-blah-blah" articles, due to my interest in alternate continuities independant of the particular storylines, but I recognize that not everyone likes the "two line articles" that would be generated when taken to extreme.  j-beda 18:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's really better to discuss fictional places in the context of the fiction in which they appear. --Chris Griswold 21:41, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Crisis of too many  Earths  

message: This seems to be very widely included (something like 3500 talk pages), and is rather frequently edited.  I'm concerned that there could well be a server load issue.  Indeed, many templates with similar numbers of inclusions (or indeed fewer) are actually protected for that reason.  I'd like to suggest replacing this with a notice and link on talk pages generally, and only including the actually-updated task template on a small number of pages (wikiproject ones, most obviously).  Alai 02:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure if it will help, but the Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice Board may serve to alleviate some of the strains that the task template may be creating. --Chris Griswold 19:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds like a plan to me.  Would anyone object to turning the majority of these inclusions into a pointer to the above page?  Alai 23:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Some confusion on my part caused by a confusing "edit" link;  it's actually  that's mass-included (which is fine), and that then re-includes the above template (which I think is problematic).  What's more, this was removed several months ago, which was then reverted, which seems less than ideal:  for the same reasons that editing the to-do list is a resource hit, so is editing the template that includes it, so ideally this would be settled and left alone as much as possible.  For reference, this is easily widely-included enough to make it on to Wikipedia:List of permanently protected pages#High use templates.  Alai 04:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed this in line with the above;  feel free to tweak it around some more, but equally by the same token, it would be nice for the poor servers if it could stablise within a hopefully smallish number of iterations, so prior discussion on the talk page might be a good plan, too.  Alai 04:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Concerns about [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Task template]] 

message: Would you please take a look at Alan Scott's talk page? —Lesfer (talk/@) 05:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Alan Scott's SHB picture

message: The problem is there's no obvious place to move it to - the "Silver Age" disambig is both imprecise and inaccurate - pretty much all the sources I've seen have the Silver Age ending before 1974 (Kirby leaving Marvel - in part, to do THIS title; and Gwen Stacy's death seem to be the two most commonly quoted), so pushing this as Silver Age is POV at best even for its start date never mind the appearances in Infinity Inc and The Sandman (DC Comics/Vertigo).
Problem is, as I say, I don't see where to move it to. (comics) and (DC Comics) are out because of multiple characters/titles, he doesn't have a settled civilian ID (2 actual and one retconned-out) and Simon/Kirby had already reinvented the Dodds Sandman to the point of making him a different character in the 1940s.
Any suggestions? - SoM 09:19, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: My proposal is to make that into Sandman (Garrett Sandford), and to remove the bits of Hector Hall from the article. Then we can just refer to Hector Hall on the disambig page as well. Kusonaga 13:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sandman (DC Comics Silver Age) needs moved 

message: Should the two share the same article? The characters are closely connnected, and most of the information is repeated in both of the articles. --DrBat 18:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't think so. They may start to branch out and have different information, or even break up. -- Ipstenu (talk|contribs) 18:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Brain and Monsieur Mallah 

message: Should the issues of 52 be numbered like 52 #1 or 52 Week One?--DrBat 19:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Week One. --Chris Griswold 19:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: As odd as it seems, the indica says "Week One", so I agree with Mr. Griswold. --GentlemanGhost 11:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  52's numbering 

message: Take a look at the Notice Board to see the stubs that Dr. Archeville is continuing to create as he works his way through marvunapp.com. --Chris Griswold 19:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, and most all of these stubs are stubs, one- or two-sentence articles, not copies of what's on the site(s) mentioned (as I had erroneously done in the past). Dr Archeville 20:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: When do you plan to expand these? --Chris Griswold 21:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, I don't know, since lately about all I've had time to do are make stubs.  Plus, as was recently made clear during the Eternals fiasco, I seem to have had some massive misconceptions about Wikipedia articles, so I need to plan carefully. Others are of course more than welcome to expand any article they fancy; I'm not "claiming" any of them, just wanted to make it so the "List of Marvel Comics charactrs" and "List of Marvel Comics teams" didn't have so many red links, and give others who are better at these things than I a basic foundation to work from. Dr Archeville 02:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

text: People make stub articles in Wikipedia all the time. Nothing wrong with that, though of course longer articles would be preferable. But of course the whole point of a Wiki is that other people fill in what is missing. A better question would be: how do we tell which stubs deserve expansion? Many seemingly obscure characters often turn out to have a surprising relevance... The Legion of the Unliving, for example, is always composed of Marvel characters that were dead at some point (and it would be interesting to note that some of those characters later turned up alive, therefore they could NOT have really been in the LotU! Sloppy, Marvel!) I'm currently working on editing the Marvel and DC character lists to include only those that deserve an article, and replacing their redlinks with short descriptions for those that I feel do not. Plenty of work, though, will take me a long time. Help appreciated.- Wilfredo Martinez 02:50, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dr Archeville's stub spree 

message: Template:Supersupportingbox isn't showing relatives.  I'm guessing it's from the errant comment marks in this section, but as I'm NOT any good with if statements on wikipedia, I'm sketchy - 
:
:Any one good at this can you take a look? I think that first 
thread_title: Template:Supersuppprtinfo - Broken?

message: A large chunk of the text for Drax the Destroyer seems to have been copied from the unofficial Marvel Comics wiki http://www.marveldatabase.com. Assuming that the time stamps are accurate, their version predates ours by a few months. Like Wikipedia, they also use the GNU FDL to allow others to republish their work. However, if I read things correctly, there needs to be an indication that the information comes from the Marvel Database site (which there is not). While I suppose that we could use this information if we properly credit the source, it just seems wrong to me. It feels to me like we're "stealing", for lack of a better term, from a competing Wiki. However, it looks like the editor that copied this information, Rjpimp (talk • contribs), is also an editor on that site under the same username. Does that make it OK? What are your thoughts on this? --GentlemanGhost 11:29, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Drax copyleft violation?

message: There is this user:Thanos2099 that is violating NPOV with his edits. Several other editor and I have already reverted his edits, but he still won't listen. If I could get some help from the admins and the senior members it would be appricated. Something needs to be done about this user. T-1000 17:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whereas this issue does cry out for arbitration and I don't agree with Thanos2099's methods or assertions, it brings a question to my mind. Namely, how relevant and encyclopedic is it to discuss the similarities between comic book characters and speculation as to whether one character is a rif-off of another? While there are limited cases where I think it is essential to talk about it, generally it doesn't seem of great importance to me. There are only so many new ideas out there, and most comic book characters are derivitive in some way of what has come before. I only think it ought to be mentioned if a) the similarity between the characters has resulted in litigation (c.f., Captain Marvel/Miracleman) or b) the creator of the character has said that it was inspired by the other character. Otherwise, to ascribe motivations to the creators strikes me as speculation/original research. Even when cited in comics industry media, full paragraphs explaining why "this character is like that character" verges too close to fancruft for my taste. --GentlemanGhost 20:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Comparisons are good because we're dealing with the characters as fictional story elements rather than living, breathing, sexy babes. Unfortunately, many of these are OR, such as the one in the Sentry (Robert Reynolds) entry. If this were cited, it would be great. But with the way it's written, it's kind of embarrassing in an otherwise decent article. --Chris Griswold 07:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sentry is cited. See Here:  T-1000 03:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

text: As I stated on Moon Knight's talk page, if a comparison of one character to another is understood in the comics community (and mentioned in more than one interview with creators and current writers of the character) it would be remiss not to mention it.  IMO, specifically comparing Moon Knight to Batman, with information cited from an interview with the current writer, is a great vehicle to outline Moon Knight's character.  --Newt ΨΦ 13:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree completely. Glad I'm not alone in that stance. --Chris Griswold 19:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I like the Moon Knight sources specifically because the creators are interviewed. I believe this is a case where it is appropriate to include that information in the article. If the creators thought it necessary to address the similarities between characters, then I agree that this is a notable comparison and should be included. What I don't want to see is articles that spout fan speculation as to a character's inspiration (or lack thereof). I don't even care if there is some website, blog, or message board that backs it up. Speculation is still speculation. --GentlemanGhost 21:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  User:Thanos2099 

message: Ok... anyone think this is a good idea? --DrBat 21:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's absurd and contra an earlier CFD for Category:Deceased fictional characters.  See reasons there.  Postdlf 21:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:Category:Deceased X-Men]] 

message: Because my neutrality in regards to this article, and my attempts to maintain it have been questioned by other contributors to the page, i'd like to have it reviewed for neutrality and accuracy by a panel of at least three impartial members of Wikiproject Comics. --Basique 18:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. See the articles talk page for my comments. CovenantD 18:57, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I'm on my way and adding this to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/Notice Board. --Chris Griswold 19:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks guys! --Basique 22:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Great Ten]] NPOV review request 

message: I've created the  template that functions as an in-line request for the specific citation of an issue of a comic book or magazine. 
It looks like .
:Nice! --GentlemanGhost 22:08, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Issue template 

message: The suggestion has come up that perhaps Wikipedia might benefit from a Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books article. I was forwarded to this project and talk page by User:CovenantD. I'm not terribly experienced with Wikipedia, but I have done some research on Asian/Asian American stereotypes in comic books. I'm interested in working with some other interested parties in developing this article, especially with the hope that more heads working together can help maintain as objective a point of view as possible on this potentially contentious subject. I've put in some very small filler content at the moment. Anyone interested (especially people who know what they're doing with Wikipedia)? If so, please continue to the Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books talk page --Jfang86 03:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnic Stereotypes in Comic Books 

message: So, by WP:NC, which one is correct? Please, check talk page. —Lesfer (talk/@) 14:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: The Phantom or Phantom (comics)