Talk:Puncak Jaya

message: Why does the name used by mountaineers take precedence over the official and/or local names? -- Danny Yee 13:51, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would agree with that, the offical name should take precedence nick 21:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

text: I have switched them around. nick 07:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  title should be "Puncak Jaya" 

message: I only speak a little Bahasa so this would need confirming by a native speaker, but I think Jaya in this instance means Main, Biggest or Highest, not "Victorious"; that doesn't make any sense. "Highest Peak" sounds much more Indonesian to me. nick 21:40, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've just looked it up in a dictionary and yes, Jaya as an adjective means biggest or highest. Puncak is also taken to just mean mountain rather than peak specifically. Bahasa is usually fairly ambiguous about non-everyday things and doesn't differentiate between the two. nick 07:53, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Translation

message: IIs Puncak Jaya located in Southeast Asia or Oceania? At Puncak Jaya, the article claims that Puncak Jaya is the highest in Oceania. In Mount Kinabalu, it states that Kinabalu is the third highest behind Puncak Jaya. So, there seems to be a little confusion here. __earth 17:37, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
: Good point, the text now reads that it is part of both. Perhaps it should be changed to highest point in Australasia not Oceania, as Oceania is a geo-political grouping not geographical. As to SEA if they are talking polictical yes (as it is in Indonesia), geographic no. Nomadtales 07:00, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: SEA vs Oceania

message: What is real height of Jaya? It is 4884 in article (also in External link, and other Wikipedias... only in deWiki it is 5080, and 5030 in esWiki). I'm not sure is it correct... I found 5030 or 5029 in most of my sources. For example, first link I found searching nternet:  (see Geography ->Elevation extremes).
So, what is real height of Jaya? Meteor2017 09:59, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Height

message: "Western central" Irian Jaya does not translate to "western central" Papua... -- Danny Yee 22:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  irian jaya v papua 

message: :The area is highly inaccessible, requiring a 100-km hike from the nearest town with an airport
There's either something wrong with this statement, or something very weird going on. In the landsat photo in the article :Image:Puncak_Jaya_Landsat.jpg you can see the huge freeport mine pretty close to the peak. Looks like no more than 10 km. That must obviously be accessible. So what gives? Deuar 19:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Curious. So the mine is a restricted area to such a degree that climbers (there can't be that many of them) can't go through the place where the miners live? There must obviously be some road traffic going to the mine to feed the miners and to take whatever they mine out. Makes me wonder what they mine... Deuar 16:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Copper and gold.  A suspicious person might assume they are worried about "climbers" stealing something, but the more likely official explanation could be "Health and safety concerns" 62.136.43.9 17:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

text: Where does it say that? The 7 summits webpage says it is open again. Viewfinder 21:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seven Summits says it in its "Criticism of promoting the goal" section ("as of 2003"). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  accessibility 

message: World Wind (SRTM90) has the highest point at lat -4.08520 lon 137.18697, in close agreement with the quoted coords. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gergyl (talk • contribs) 12:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the author of the above has the wrong coordinates. The above location is in the sea. Viewfinder 04:25, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Co-ordinates

message: I send the informations below in the discussion, because I am not an English speaker and I thus do not dare to edit the English text!
For me, Hendrik Lorentz is not the first explorer who has reached the snowfield of the Puncak Jaya (Carstenz Pyramid) in 1909. That year, he only reached the snowfield of a shoulder of the Puncak Trikora, about 4750 m (formerly the Wilhelmina Peak). Puncak Trikora is 170 km in the East of the Cartensz Pyramid [1]. 
The first expedition which has reached the snowfield of the Carstenz Pyramid is the big (225 members of which 132 of a Dutch military escort!) English expedition of A.F.R. Wollaston (1912-1913). This expedition was partly financed by the Rothschild family. Wollaston reached the altitude of 4530 meters [2].
After 1913 and until 1936 no one had attained any of the summits of the Carstensz range. In 1936, A.H. Colijn, F. Wissel and J.-J. Dozy reached several summits of the Carstensz range, but not the highest, which is the Carstensz Pyramid. For that, they used an aerial help (seaplane dropping the provisions) [3]. During the expedition, the geologist Dozy discovered the Ertsberg (Ore mountain) close to the Carstensz Pyramid that gave rise to the Grasberg mine, the largest gold mine in the world and the third largest copper mine in the world.
Other thing : The book of Harrer is not “Seven Years in Tibet” but “I come from the Stone Age” [4], an English translation of the german book “Ich komme aus der Steinzeit” [5].
References
[1]	Lorentz H. A., 1911, An expedition to the snow mountains of New Guinea, The Geographical Journal, 5, XXXVII.
[2]	Ballard Ch., Vink S., Ploeg A., 2001, Race to the snow. Photography and the exploration of the Duth Guinea, 1907-1936. Royal Tropical Institute, Amsterdam, 96 pp.
[3]	Colijn A.H., 1937, Naar de eeuwige sneeuw van tropisch Nederland. De bestijging van het Carstenszgebergte in Nederlandsch Nieuw Guinee, Amsterdam.
[4]	Harrer H. (Fitzgerald E., translator), 1964, I come from the Stone Age. Companion Book Club or Rupert Hart-Davis London.
[5]	Harrer H., 1976 (Erste Ausgabe 1963), Ich komme aus der Steinzeit. Pinguin, Innsbruck.
--128.178.17.75 17:46, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Your english is fine.  Just edit the page.  Others will tidy any little glitches. --Gergyl 07:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: I ran across the article Carstensz Expedition on the Dutch Wikipedia, and translated the lede for en.wiki.  It appears to mention an earlier Dutch expedition; should that be mentioned somewhere in this article? MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link in [[Carstensz Expedition]]? 

message: The animated image is manipulating because the chosen colors. 
Yes climate change is a big thing but methods like this shouldn't be used.
"(around 0.5 °C [0.90 °F])" is wrong; 0.5 °C =32.90 °F. I went to fix it, but instead of saying in the source simply "0.90" the conversion is done with some kind of code I don't know. So I left it as is. Dgndenver (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theal animated image of the glacier