Talk:Anti-Canadian sentiment

message: If you take a look at the NOT CANADA site, for example, you'll find harsh critism of the racism and xenophobia endured by new (and not so new) immigrants. Those who have moved to Canada to find a better life only to have their dreams shattered and their savings depleted due to not being able to find suitable employent in their fields. The excuse usually being that their qualifications are not recognised or that they don't have "Canadian experience". This is inspite of the fact that the Canadian government requires theses qulaifications as a prerequisite for residency. 213.130.123.28 (talk) 09:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it counts as Anti-Canadianism when basically everyone who moves to a different country with expectations like that gets let down. We'd just have one in most anti-western country article. 70.70.97.117 (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, fail to see how this is anti-canadian.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of the most important anti-Canadian groupings was missed 

message: how can this section not mention the southpark movie and the song "blame canada"?  i'm flabbergasted. Tschroeder 22:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Humourous Anti-Canadianism 

message: Most of the lines that seem to have created controversy here were written by me, as any quick check of the page's history would have told you.  So why are you all so mad at Ceasar?.  PS I think the Harper quote needs to come back, it shows how Canadians are much more likey than other peoples to question the value of their own home country.  Kevlar67 08:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Taking the heat 

message: According to Statistics Canada, the so-called "brain drain" in Canada is a myth.  It is typically used by neo-conservatives looking for yet more reasons to cut social spending.  I just had a little look through Google and while I can't find the StatsCan figures, I have found many articles which cite the figures.  Does a citation need to be direct, or can it come second-hand?  SmashTheState
I advise you to look up "neoconservatives" and compare that to other "brands" of conservatism.  Judging from the above, it seems likely that you do not appreciate any difference and simply use the word "neoconservative," where you should, for the sake of clarity, just use "conservative."  Perhaps the word's similarity to other such "neo's" as, for example, "neo-Nazi" makes it seem more appropriate, in light of the fact that you likely think of conservatives as a diabolical bunch on the order of a Snidely Whiplash?
Someone please congratulate me on bringing this one back around to the subject of Canada, at least in some fashion, there at the end.  I deserve a high five for that one, eh?  24.187.122.14 (talk) 03:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: IP guy is correct, SmashTheState evidently does not understand what the term neo-conservative means, namely the fact that its definition is anchored in a hawkish foreign policy which is totally unrelated to what he's talking about.  That and I think it's a little odd that a self proclaimed anarchist would object to smaller government.  That said, I believe he is correct in his statement that the brain drain is not thought to be as severe as was once feared.  TastyCakes (talk) 15:51, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Perhaps the Brain Drain is not as bad as once feared, but there were statistics and reports to support the notion in the late 80's and into the '90's. As well, being that we are so close geographically, there are reasons to fear it as the United States is usually the most frequent nation represented in foreign employer recruitment at career fairs and other professional meetings. --blondtraillite (talk)--70.49.130.67 (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The most common foreign recruiter in Canada are US firms? NO SHIT! You think that supports the idea that fears of a brain drain were rational? 142.112.179.6 (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Brain Drain? 

message: "She has often proposed extreme solutions to Canadian dissent, such as a military invasion of Canada[2], and has said that Canada should be grateful that the US "allows" it to exist on the same continent." 
First she's crazy. Second Canada doesn't exist because the USA allows it to. Thirdly, and finally, unless Canada turned into a third world country where it's Leader wanted to destroy and/or conquer the Earth(DEFINETELY WILL NOT HAPPEN) would there be an invasion.
I agree with the above statement
Crazies get their say too. Their say is anti-canadian, and therfor goes in the article. Though I think her comment on Christians seeing themselves as perfected Jews has been seriously misunderstood. 142.33.122.235 (talk) 18:26, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ann Coulter 

message: Phelphs isn't particularly anti-Canadian any more than he's anti-anything-else.  Sure, someone who hates all western countries therefore also hates Canada, but that's a pretty trivial sort of "anti-Canadianism", so I'm not sure it's useful to mention him here. --Delirium 20:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is interesting because everyone wants to remove everything from it.  He's a notable- not trivial- figure and his brand of anti-Canadianism is fairly distinct, making it an interesting note. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 18:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  is Fred Phelps worth mentioning? 

message: It seems to me that most Anti-Canadianism is either extremely trivial and generalized such as applies to all Western Nations, or is an example of over sensitivity. All neighboring nations (and most non-neighboring nations) have certain stereotypes about each other. Canada's tends to be overwhelmingly positive.
I don't think they even deserve an Anti-article. Though, Quebec might. Since to be honest, the only real Anti-Canadian sentiment in this article, stems from...other Canadians. All of which issues are covered in other specific articles. I don't think every nation that Fred Phelps ever bashed (the psychotic Westboro crazy that he is) deserves a wikipage about it.
I also find it rediculous that it notes Canada defiantly embracing self-deprecating humor, when the worst example is stereotypes about Hockey and Soviet Canuckistan. It hardly serves to draw a parallel with say, Jewish self-deprecating humor. Since unlike Canadians, there is a history of virulent mainstream anti-semitic messages. So to compare them (even subtly) is insulting.
Beyond that, Canadians are probably the least self-deprecating people on the planet. They are extremely sensitive.
In any case, any nation whose flag some liberal Americans use to sew on their backpacks while hiking across Europe, can hardly be a martyr worthy of a page devoted to it. Also, that 'few acres of snow' comment was misattributed. It was referring to a specific tiny area, I think, Victoria island or such, but Canada seems to love that quote regardless.
Beyond that, the popular culture examples are if anything, affectionate parodies without an ounce of actual anti-canadianism. Half of them were written by Canadians. Look at any other Anti-whatever article to see the difference. Come on. The examples are from Michael Moore, The Simpsons, South Park and Mystery Science Theatre. I'm sure there is an SNL skit somewhere or a Boys in the Hall skit that they can find to add.
:I agree it's not a heavy issue; I was mystified by how upset this article made one person.  But it's well-known stuff; that's really the threshold of inclusion.  CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 20:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's just odd that we have articles devoted to Anti-Americanism, Anti-Islamism, Anti-Semitic...All of whom have had real and devastatingly unhappy consequences, from the mild loss of opportunity to death, sometimes on an mass scale. Yet alone of them, we have Anti-Canadianism, that uses as its main examples, affectionate parodies from cartoons, a rant by a madman which would be better included under Homophobia and an reiteration of the Quebec debate that is already extensively covered in another article. So it just seems that the inclusion of this article has no real merit beyond a sort've perverse pride. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.169.233.53 (talk) 12:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe the "few acres of snow" is from Voltaire referring to Acadia (now Nova Scotia). Sepeatist Quebecois who are anti-canadian aren't the only ones in regards to a particular region. Calgarians are known for some of this sentiment but particularly Newfoundlanders as some in that province are openly still for separation. Oh yeah, and if the "I am not Canadian" reference is going to be said for the "I am Canadian" commercial, mentioning "I am a newfoundlander" should also be written. In the parody commercial, the commentator speaks about his grandfather being "pissed off" at confederating. Canking 00:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

text: No signature, eh? Pendragon39 18:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

text: I also hate how they drive.  Passive aggression anyone? Surely this should be in the article.  70.112.5.35 (talk) 13:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

text: Hey, Canada, I just wanted to say that this American Wikipedia contributor stands on guard for thee! Love to the true North strong and free from the Pennyroyal region of Kentucky. Alan Canon (talk) 14:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

text: They were definately not off-topic and I've restored them. Why don't you help the article by finding something by an academic instead of blanking content? -- œ™ 02:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lamest Anti-article ever? 

message: Does anyone mind if I move this to Anti-Canadian sentiment? We're inventing a term here. Marskell 12:12, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No we're not  but it wouldn't be that drastic a move. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 17:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

text: How about "Canada bashing"? Pendragon39 18:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since this has stood unopposed for 4644 days, I will go ahead and move it, following the example of Anti-Australian sentiment. --Cornellier (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move 

message: I tagged the article as 'refimprove' after stumbling across this page in a reference to Soviet Canuckistan.  Anyhow, I tagged the whole article.  It should be clear which sections are wholly unreferenced and which are okay.  Use of the 'fact' tag on each unreferenced sentence would be too distracting. - Aagtbdfoua 17:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  refimprove 

message: "Fred Phelps is strongly anti-Canadian". You bet... why don't we just let it out, Phelps is anti-everything and apart of his extensive family, he has almost no adherents, only admirers of his unintentional humour. So I don't see why this statement, though correct, makes sense in this article. Steinbach (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Phelps and his group do seem to be a sad fringe group that don't reflect any significant element of society at large.  That said, I think a lot of this article probably falls under that category.  TastyCakes (talk) 19:23, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fred Phelps 

message: Why is this classed under the US portal?  I'm removing this apparent mistake.  TastyCakes (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It was no doubt a passive-aggressive strike by a religiously anti-American Canadian. :-p Tomertalk 02:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: US category

message: In the anti-Americanism article, Luis Araquistáin's comment that "socialism is a social heresy there (United States)" is referenced. Canada is very frequently equated with socialism or communism by Americans -- as well as by conservative or libertarian Canadians -- at every social level. We all know about Soviet Canuckistan, but sometimes it also comes out in the oddest places: such as when a potential juror for the Conrad Black trial was asked what she knew about Canada. Whether or not it was said originally as a joke, the belief is real.
Not saying whether or not the association is accurate, simply pointing out that the association exists and colours attitudes. This is the definition used in the other "anti" articles.
By way of illustrative example: a persistent myth that has been thoroughly and repeatedly disproven is that the 9/11 terrorists entered the United States through Canada. Considering that there is no factual basis, what possible reason is there for this myth to be so persistent?
Conversely, should the knowledge that this myth persists matter to Canadians? or is it simply a matter of thin skin? Me, I would suggest that it matters at least insofar as it influences American foreign policy toward Canada, which in turn is shaped by American voters. If Americans come to believe en masse that the Canadian border is porous to the point of being a potential threat to the United States -- and that Canada is unwilling or unable to alter the situation to American satisfaction (insert whatever motivation you like) -- is that likely to alter future foreign policy?
Extrapolate to another border, the far north. If the Northwest Passage is finally defined as an international strait, as the United States wants, Canada will be unable under international law to close its borders to shipping. If the preconception of porous borders remains, there will be strong American pressure to police the strait by a more reliable authority: the United States itself.
Again, we return to the "anti": this time with an eye to what a belief, even when it is not based in fact, can mean to international policy.
Might it be appropriate to re-order this article based on the reason for the "anti", rather than strictly by nationality?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.138 (talk) 05:06, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Anti-socialism

message: I'm not surprised to see it, but the following falls in the category of meaningless mentions of Stephen Harper, of the order of "cutting ribbons on playgrounds and bridges" or "Stephen Harper slept here", tidbits about which occur(red) in various town articles.  Does anyone here seriously believe that Harper's motion in the House has solved the distinct-society dispute/resentment, as the wording of the following boasts??  It's a sop, and not really relevant to the subject of anti-Canadian sentiment in Quebec.  It's not like this omtion accomplished anything, though it does seem it afforded someone from the PMO an opportunity to make a semi-spam brag on a wikipedia page; serious journalism wouldn't give this the time of day:
:Up until November 27, 2006, one such source of rancour was the refusal of an important part of the English Canadian population and political elite to recognize Quebec as a nation, or a "distinct society". However, a motion presented by Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper recognizing the Québécois as "a nation within Canada" was passed on that day.
I'm of the mood to delete it wholesale, unless someone can provide backup material showing it changed sentiment in Quebec.  One day I'll find a wikipage claiming that Harper invented the sun, moon, stars and ice cream, I'm sure...Skookum1 (talk) 13:38, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm I think it's a little more relevant/notable than playground ribbon cutting, but I agree it doesn't belong in this article.  TastyCakes (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, I suppose more to the point is that actions by other Prime Ministers to ameliorate Quebec's out-of-joint-nose problem should also be mentioned, if this is; the theme of anti-Canadianism among some Quebeckers is certainly a valid one; but this is a sop and a pretense that Harper actually accomplished something with this motion; from what I know of Quebec politics, he didn't.  The playground ribbon cutting reference is meant in the context that prime ministerial visits/announcements for various locations/causes are not encyclopedic material, unless truly notable, and if only one prime minister's such actions are mentioned, it's POV/spam....Harperite doo-dabs of this kind are all over Wikipedia (or are, until I find them).  In other words, what about Martin's and Chretien's efforts and actions; surely the Clarity Act is more relevant in terms of riling Quebecois sentiment, and it's odd that, although Meech is mentioned (but not Charlottetown), Brian Mulroney's maybe-earnest efforts in this area go unmentioned, while Harper's trivial grandstanding is served up on a silver plate.....Skookum1 (talk) 16:45, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: True enough.  I'll remove the statement entirely...  TastyCakes (talk) 17:16, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Harper propaganda

message: There should be a countervailing page to balance this one out. Many New Zealanders feel an instinctive sense of solidarity and warmth toward Canada, as we also know what it's like to live next to a loud, belligerent and excessively conservative neighbouring nation (ie Australia), even if we're fortunately seperated by several thousand kms of sea from them. 
What about liberal Americans who admire Canada's social and political system, for that matter?
Calibanu (talk) 01:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess if you can find reliable published sources they could form the basis for an article on this topic, otherwise it would be original research. Good idea though, I'm sure Google Books can turn up something. -- œ™ 06:57, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Pro-Canadianism?

message: This inquiry and quotation doesn't seem anti-Cdn to me - it just reads as critical. Critical is normal, doesn't seem like an example of anti-Canadianism.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.83 (talk) 21:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree and have removed the section. Certainly one can argue that a country's political system has serious flaws without being "anti" that country. GabrielF (talk) 01:32, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Somalia 

message: Truth is, the biggest fans of "Anti-Canadianism" are the Canadians themselves.  It validates their existence.
In reality, no one really bothers to think about Canada.  To most Americans, it might as well be "North Ohio": a boring place full of boring people.  The intelligent and industrious ones will eventually make their way to New York or Los Angeles, the rest will vegetate in a Molson-soaked stupor.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.228.163.132 (talk) 10:20, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Trolololololol; but seriously folks.... Celynn (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  How about a  section on Canadians' love for "Anti-Canadianism"? 

message: Anti-Canadianism in Brazil? I am Brazilian and I can say that never happened. Canada is well regarded in Brazil and it is a "dream of consumption" for several Brazilians who want to move there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.104.50.237 (talk) 21:33, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anti-Canadianism in Brazil? 

message: Look Canadians:
Don't take this the wrong way, but this article is pure propaganda for Canada as a socialist, tolerant country. The examples of "anti-Canadianism" from the States basically say that Americans hate Canada because it's just too darn socialist and accepting of people's rights. If you want to be realistic and accurate as to why people object to this country, it's worth taking seriously people's criticisms, like the claim that it committed genocide on natives, or that it's gradually becoming a police state. You could also include the fact that, though Canada loves making itself out to be a socialist country, its political tendencies are mostly capitalist welfare statist, which, in some views, is just right wing in itself. 
Take Care,
70.72.45.131 (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bogus Reverse Psychology 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Albanophobia which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 06:45, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Move discussion in progress

message: This article is is not describing any such movement as "Anti-Canadianism" in the way you can talk about anti-fascism, anti-authoritarianism, anti-imperialism, and so on. It is rather is a collection of unrelated incidents in which some part of Canada happened to be criticized for being in someone's way. Many of the examples given are trivial. Many are out of context. Many are hyperbole or satirical.
Some of this article is interpreting and labeling people's views on political matters, which is pushing a point of view, contrary to WP policy on that.
A few examples:
* Voltaire: Canada as we know it didn't even exist yet. Was he anti-Canadian? 
* In popular culture: the article lists the creators of South Park, Weird Al, and Michael Moore as anti-Canadian. But if those types of people lived in Norway and acted the same way, they'd be accused of being anti-Sweden, etc. They're not anti-Canadian per se, they're just making jokes about their neighbor. 
* "Humorous anti-Canadianism often focuses on ... attributes ... such as cold weather". Are people who make jokes about weather anti-Canadian?
* "Political left": this unreferenced section talks about anti-colonial sentiments in general applied to Canada in particular, but which could be applied to any western nation.
I'd like to see guidelines on criteria for content on this page. Here are some ways it could go:
* do nothing, it remains (according to this talk page) a "lame" article, a never-complete list of random stuff random people hated about some aspect country (in this case Canada).
* this article should only be about people who self-declare as anti-Canadian--Cornellier (talk) 03:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd love to see this article deleted, it is variously neutral-and-pointless or POV-and-current. The term is inconsistently applied and the content is inconsistently sourced. bouched 07:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: It was  nominated for deletion in 2006 and was kept. Trying to get it deleted might be an exercise in futility. But I'd support it if you want to have a go. Instructions are here. Another approach might be to uses Anti-Australian_sentiment as a model. --Cornellier (talk) 22:11, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  What is the point of this article? 

message: There are literally 2 (two) lines on this page. What's the point?
Quangsp (talk) 13:52, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: This is one of millions of permastubs that infest this site. It was  nominated for deletion in 2006 and kept. Deletion is nearly impossible due to rampant inclusionism, but I'd back you up if you want to have a go. Instructions are here: Wikipedia:How_to_delete_a_page. --Cornellier (talk) 15:22, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Re: Whats the point of this article