Talk:Romanian alphabet

message: I suggest to merge Special Romanian Unicode characters into Romanian alphabet because both articles discuss about the history of S-comma and T-comma, and that the character encoding problem is also mentioned in Romanian alphabet article. --Hello World! 16:01, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Should not be merged. -- Bonaparte  talk 17:31, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your opinion? --Hello World! 12:32, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No reason to merge. You're free though to delete any, you have my support if propose to deletion the right one. 188.25.52.56 (talk) 02:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggest merging 

message: Actually, "domine deus" is the Latin translation of Greek "kurios ho theos", i.e. "the Lord God". I'm not sure which is the connection with Jupiter. bogdan 13:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Hm. You might be right. I think I got the info from reading Xenopol a while back. Dahn 13:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Linking Jupiter 

message: Maybe, this article should write about the attempts of using a closer to Latin spelling and alphabet in the 19th century.
:are unu băiaţellu frmosu ca unu ângerullu
:are un băieţel frumos ca un înger
bogdan 21:29, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. We could reference Maiorescu's verdict on such attempts as well. Do you have more info on their actual influence? Al l that I know is that Junimea thought they were damn funny. Dahn 00:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latin-like spelling 

message: Was q replaced with c like in Spanish? (quanto>>>cuanto)?Cameron Nedland 00:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The q letter was introduced in the romanian alphabet, recently. It reads as k -kappa 188.25.52.56 (talk) 02:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Q 

message: The acute accent seems to be liberally used in romanian newspapers for the situations where confusion is possible. Eg: copii = children, cópii = copies. Anyone knows if there's a norm for that? 86.125.104.26 10:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Acute accent 

message: № 1: I don't think the QWERTZ layout is ‘official’. In any case, I've added a ‘citation needed’ tag.
№ 2: I think the ‘official’ SR 13392:2004 standards should be mentioned, as they are increasingly common as default romanian layout in various operating systems (Linux and Microsoft Vista).
№ 3: I don't think the JLG layout is relevant. Does anyone here use it?193.111.68.74 09:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've removed the reference to JLG --193.111.68.74 11:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Keyboard layout 

message: I need help. 
Currently I'm in the middle of a vast reworking/rewriting project involving the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture article. Although I'm very interested in the history of this time period, I am quite ignorant of Romanian language and spelling/text conventions. I mean, I wouldn't know correct Romanian if it was biting me in the butt.... However, as part of the reworking of this article, I am attempting to standardize the spelling throughout the article - for instance, when I started working on this, there was about a half-a-dozen different ways that the name Ștefan Cucoș was being spelled in various references throughout the text. Well, I found this article about Romanian alphabet, and have used its recommendations as a rule to go by in standardizing the spellings of Romanian names and words in references and text in the article I'm working on. 
Well, so far so good, right? 
But then, after making these changes, I saved the file and looked at it, and: lo-and-behold: many of the links to Wikipedia articles that I'd corrected no longer worked - they acted as if I was linking to nonexistent articles. For instance, I changed the text in the link embedded in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture article for Iași County. As you can see, that is a dead link - due to the fact that there is no article with that spelling (keep in mind, that if you're reading this later, the link may actually work, because I'm going to do a workaround fix for these). However, if I was to use the incorrect spelling of Iaşi County, then voila! it now works. So what's up with that? 
I have a couple of ways I can do a workaround for this: one is to make these links in the article look like this: Iași County, where the first link has the incorrect text, but works - and the second corrected text part is what will show in the Cucuteni article, but which won't successfully link to the county article. 
The other workaround would be to create separate Redirect pages that will automatically link various spellings of the word to the correct page. In the case of "Iaşi County" (which has the incorrect, cedilla styled Unicode 3.0 spelling), there already is a redirect page from "Iasi County" (which is just a regular "s"), so it would be simple just to add another redirect page for "Iași County" (which has the correct, comma styled Unicode 5.2 spelling). I don't really mind doing this, but I'm still not completely satisfied with this option. 
And so this brings me to my proposal: is it at all possible that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Romania editors - and those who have posted here to this article - could attempt to maintain an official spelling standard for articles that use Romanian language? The optimal situation (in my opinion) would be that articles that have Romanian words within the title maintain a standard spelling convention. I myself don't care one way or another what this standard would be - I'm completely non-invested in any of the discussions above about which style is linguistically or politically correct, since I do not speak Romanian it makes very little difference to me how it's spelled, so long as there's a standard that is adhered to here in the English pages of Wikipedia in order to avoid such awkward and inconsistent situations as the one I've outlined above in my own experience. 
So - I put it to you, my fellow editors - shall we create some kind of WikiProject Romania subcommittee to establish a standard convention of Romanian spelling - and then have the authority to insist that article titles (at the very least) that contain Romanian words adhere to this standard? I for one would be quite willing to volunteer to help with this, but I do not have the expertise to make the call as to which style should be the officially-sanctioned spelling convention. 
Please respond here if you are interested or wish to comment. --Saukkomies talk  22:16, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello, Saukkomies. You are right that the correct romanian diacritics for "sh" and "tz" are the ones with comma (Ș, ș, Ț, ț). However, at Wikipedia we are still using the old diacritics (Ş, ş, Ţ, ţ) because many users still do not have an operating system capable of displaying and/or typing the new diacritics correctly. Allmost all romanian websites (newspapers, government, etc) still use the old diacritics (some of them don't use diacritics at all). Someday we will make the switch to the correct diacritics (in ro.wiki as well as in en.wiki), but now it's too soon. For more details, see Romanian alphabet#Unicode and HTML; if you understand romanian, you may also read :ro:Wikipedia:Diacriticele vechi şi noi and  for more details. Razvan Socol (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for your reply Rsocol. After I'd posted that rant I got to reading some more about this business, and I came to the same conclusion that you outlined: the time is not yet right to try to force a standardized Romanian alphabet ont Wikipedia. So, what I decided to do was to go through all the links in the article I'm working on, and I'm writing them in Unicode 5.3 Romanian text, but then I'm creating "Redirect" pages to the other Wikipedia sites, using the older Unicode 2.0 Romanian text titles that they have. I'm not sure about the deal with other peoples' browsers not being able to read some of the text in the article I'm writing, though. What's the consensus with that, if any? --Saukkomies talk  00:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Creating an official Wikipedia Romanian alphabet standard

message: interesting article, but personaly i am more interested in how the alphabet evolved to become what it is today. so what kind did the dacians used, the protoromanians, how did the cyrillic became no.1 and there were some greek alphabet "times" in early modern history i think.
i invite wikipedians to expand!thx!--Prometeu (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  what about the history 

message: The list "Letters and their pronunciation" gives [h] as in house. No, it mostly sounds like [x] in loch.
That keyboard - what is that? with exclusively German ß, exclusively Polish barred L, exclusively Serbo-croatian barred D?`
Never saw such like in România.
Nuremberg Oct. 2011  Ángel García 87.158.153.219 (talk) 16:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Value of <h>  -  Keyboard layout 

message: To the user 188 who keeps adding a claim about the difference in pronunciation of î and â:
All linguistic sources agree that the two letters represent the same sound. There is no exception and no controversy on this subject in the literature. No linguist has ever said that "more academic research remains to be done" to check whether the two letters represent distinct or identical sounds. As such, our article cannot contain such a claim. If you think otherwise, please cite your sources. I'm willing to bet you won't find any.
The fact that there are two letters for this sound has historic reasons. Originally, there used to be 4 or 5 letters for it (â, ê, î, û, and sometimes ô) and their choice depended on etymology. In the 1904 spelling reform, that number dropped to two. For about a decade around 1960, it dropped to one, then rose back to two. After the 1993 reform, the usage rules of the two letters changed dramatically and so did their distribution. But this evolution pertains entirely to spelling convention and has never reflected changes in language phonology.
What you may have noticed is the fact that when this sound (however we write it) is followed by [n] in the same syllable, it becomes nasal, that is, a word like însă and one like îl begin with slightly different vowels. But those vowels are different only phonetically. They are allophones of the same phoneme /ɨ/. And since the Romanian spelling is largely phonemic, we can safely say that letters î and â represent the same phoneme. Besides, there are words spelled with â where it represents either a nasal or an oral /ɨ/, for example când and bâtă, and also there are words spelled with î where it can be either nasal or oral, such as încă and își. So the two letters don't even reflect an allophonic difference.
By the way, the word înimă does not exist. Please contribute only to subjects you have at least some basic knowledge in. — AdiJapan 02:22, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: The pronunciation of ''î'' and ''â''

message: "zz in "pizza" but with considerable emphasis on the "ss""
hmm what?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.22.175.37 (talk) 20:35, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  pissa 

message: What was the resolution or law that forced Microsoft to support the full Romanian alphabet? -- sion8  talk page 22:29, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  EU told Microsoft to support Romanian letters 

message: When explaining the phonology of each letter in non-IPA examples, “merry” is perhaps the worst possible English sample word as it has variant pronunciations in all dialects of English (cf. Mary-marry-merry merger).
Perhaps another English example that is more uniform would be better for any non-linguists reading this article?
73.85.156.86 (talk) 21:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  E as in “merry” 

message: Native Pronunciation of Romanian language is slightly different. 37.111.207.11 (talk) 09:35, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native Pronunciation 

message: The section about the Polish language is wrong. Modern Polish dz as a result of palatalization is derived from the historical sequence g + ie, whereas d softened to dź [dʑ]. You can't just assume that palatalization of a certain letter gives way to the same sound in every language. 89.244.89.26 (talk) 02:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  d̦ / D̦