Talk:Stuckism

message: This appears to be another self-authored art movement. I can find one reference to neomodern group in relation to stuckism , but it is a self-authored comment in a discussion group.
We will need references to independent 3rd party publications before we can accept it as verifiable. -- Solipsist 21:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted edits about neomodernism

message: No back-up evidence can be found to support gina bold's membership of stuckism.
In light of this, her inclusion in "ex-stuckists" is inaccurate. Seriously 11:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleted unverifiable fact

message: I have put the information from Stuckism Wales into the Stuckism article here, as per merge tag, so it is currently effectively redundant, unless there is enough information to make an article like Stuckism in Australia. Tyrenius 10:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge tag on Stuckism Wales

message: The article suggests that the movement has reached a global scale. If so, I don't think it should say it's a "British art movement" but instead an "art movement founded in Britain". If I'm wrong about the global aspect, then the wording of the article should be changed to reflects the movement's more limited scope. Theshibboleth 09:00, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You're right on this, according to the Stuckism website list of groups. It is certainly proclaimed as "international". Tyrenius 12:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Internationalism 

message: The numbers seem to vary from 10-13. I think we need to establish a number which can be used consistently. Tyrenius 13:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Founding members of the Stuckists

message: There is/was no Pittsburgh Weekly. The secondary document used in this article as a citation is inaccurate. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 06:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: From a google search the correct title appears to be "In Pittsburgh Weekly", an "alternative" paper which ceased operations in 2001, when it was bought by City Paper. Tyrenius 12:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But that's not what the source says. We probably should not be using this PR document as a source for this. --Chris Griswold  (☎☓) 21:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Talk continued on Talk:Stuckism in America as it is more important there. Tyrenius 05:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''Pittsburgh Weekly'' 

message: footnote #4 doesn't link to the article, somebody fix it.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.154.236.69  (talk • contribs).
:Fixed. Tyrenius 22:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Times

message: repeated claims by Thomson that Gina Bold's first solo show was held at the stuckist gallery are false. Gina Bold's first solo show was at the Arlington gallery in Camden Town.  Read the truth at www.ginabold.com  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.100.222 (talk) 22:33, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gina Bold 

message: I think we should move this page to "Stuckism International".  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.146.216.34 (talk) 20:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not a term that occurs very often. "Stuckism" or "Stuckists" is usual. Ty 21:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You are the man in charge but anyway the right name for the art movement is "Stuckism International" because it's name is "Stuckism International"--217.146.216.34 (talk) 00:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

text: So maybe we can add "International" in the first line. For example "Stuckism is an international art movement founded in 1999 by...", and because Stuckism is against Jingoism we shouldn't seperate UK from other countries, beacause Stuckism in UK is a part of Stuckism International anyway and UK is a part of the whole world, they started the movement but that doesn't mean they have to be seperated from other countries. In "group shows" UK shows has been seperated from other international shows, this is Jingoism.--217.146.216.34 (talk) 19:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

text: Thanks--217.146.216.34 (talk) 07:34, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Any input to add content (preferably referenced properly)/improve the article is welcome. You can edit the article directly, or if you're not sure whether something accords with wikipedia policy and prefer to discuss it first, feel free to post here or on my user talk ("discussion") page. Ty 07:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tehran Stuckists 

message: "The Stuckists formed as an alternative to the Charles Saatchi-patronised Young British Artists (also known as Brit Art or YBAs)." Why this comes in the first paragraph? this is just not true, Stuckism is not an alternative to YBA. Though YBA is mentioned in their manifesto, but being against something doesn't mean it is an alternative to that or it wants to be an alternative to it. I mean Stuckism has many more important statements and ideas about painting and art. And this sentence is not good as an introduction for stuckism in the first paragraph.Lapskingwiki (talk) 15:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've changed it. It's not referenced. You can make changes yourself: see WP:B and WP:BRD, preferably referenced. See WP:REFB. Or, if you prefer, post on talk pages first to get other input. Ty 00:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Though now the meaning of the sentece is true, but still I don't know why it's written in the first paragraph, because this gives a great importance to the issue. Stuckism has more holistic and important philosophies like it's the first Remodernist art group and it's also Anti-Anti-Art, but none of them is mentioned in the introduction. Since my english is not that good I need help for editing the senteces. PS: To Ty, if you remember we had a little discussion about internationalization of Stuckism which was very good.--lapsking 14:26, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: If you post any suggested changes on this page, I or another editor will check over them for you. Or you can write them in the article and they can be checked. References are needed for information not already in the main text (and preferably put in the lead - first section - even if already in the main text).  See WP:LEAD for construction of the first section. It should contain an overview of the important points in the main text. There could be a lot of improvement to this article. It is a good idea to use secondary sources such as the Tate, and published sources such as the National Museums Liverpool book, The Stuckists Punk Victorian, which has an extract online, but Stuckist sources, e.g. stuckism.com can also be used to represent their position. Ty 00:54, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Introduction paragraph 

message: The International movement section needs better organization, preferably using prose more. The use of third-level headers with multiple bold text make it very, very difficult on some browsers to tell the difference between them. It's also highly unprofessional and inappropriate to have major subheadings containing only a single sentence, as is the case with the Africa, Canada, Iran (actually 2 short sentences), and New Zealand subsections.
The Group shows section is also mostly just a bulleted list with no real description, and it's very unprofessional to have so many images inserted at what appears to be random places throughout the list. The section also appears to suffer from the same subsection issues as before, to a lesser extent. I see several countries listed with just a single bullet point -- again, highly unprofessional. You should also have some sort of delimiting mark (such as an endash) between the year and the description for each item (a space doesn't cut it). If the section is best presented as a list, it would be better to move it to the end of the article (right before 'see also'), not in the middle (the idea is to keep the prose-based sections at or near the top). Remember, we're working on an encyclopedia here, not a random collection of lists,...
Your article will also FAIL GA with some many external links. Review WP:EL and trim the section to just the essential links and keep the linkspam to a minimum. WTF? (talk) 14:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, it's Done. lapsking (talk) 22:54, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: GA comment

message: There are a significant number of artists named in the article that have no corresponding article. I have already removed Frank Christopher Schroeder on the basis that the name seems to have been added by the artist himself (see ), and I can't find any obvious sources to justify inclusion (which would mean meeting  WP:ARTIST criteria). I intend to remove any others not supported by third-party reliable sources when I have the time, and ask that anyone watching this page ensures that the article isn't used for self-promotional purposes, and instead conforms to Wikipedia policy - we aren't here to provide a directory, or an exhaustive list of every self-proclaimed Stuckist artist. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  redlinked names 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: See the Stuckism web site at http://stuckism.com/world.html where the text reads:
A note on "Stuckism International". This does not exist as an entity, despite more protestations from Hamed Dehnavi. Just "Stuckism" exists. Stuckism is based on a philosophy manifested practically. The epithet "International" is merely descriptive, not part of any formal title. Anybody who thinks it is must have delusions of grandeur. In fact it was added tongue-in-cheek, but some people don't have much of a sense of humour. It is, to labour the point, just saying that Stuckism is international - which, the perceptive viewer will by now have realised, is a tautology.
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thread_title: Stuckism is the correct title, not Stuckism International

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