Talk:1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: consensus against move.  —usernamekiran (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Comment: First, I do very much understand how this would be a sensible step forward in terms of reader navigation, as I am sure that first-time readers unacquainted with the topic get thoroughly confused at present, and yet I also wonder if this makes the titles a little too artificial and unnatural in their own right. Iskandar323 (talk) 13:43, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

text: Overall, I think 1948 Arab–Israeli War is clearly understood; 1948 Palestine war and 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine less so. Assuming this, as a very first step it would be worth adding a proper hatnote at 1948 Palestine war to clearly distinguish it from the 1948 Arab–Israeli War or the 1947–1948 civil war in Mandatory Palestine, as that could be one source of immediate confusion. This page is meanwhile the one with the most obviously elongated and complex title, so it makes sense for the renaming to start here. I'm interested to know what the bulk of sources actually call this 'phase' - 'civil war' is certainly among the terms, but not a clearly dominant one. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks  for your comment. Previous analysis at Talk:1948 Palestine war/Name has shown that the term "1948 Arab–Israeli War" is used in scholarship to cover the whole period, i.e. the period that forms the scope of our article 1948 Palestine war. This means two things: first, there is a disambiguation problem between our article names, and second, our 1948 Arab–Israeli War article has a scope which doesn’t follow the sources. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I've gone ahead and expanded the hatnote for now in any case. Should help for now regardless of the discussion talk. Iskandar323 (talk) 11:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 8 October 2022 

message: Do you think we ought to have three articles as we currently do? I was going to respond to your question with this question, but the RM was closed first. Srnec (talk) 18:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi , for us to match scholarship we would have just one article with the word war in the title. At the moment our three articles have readable prose size of: 30 kB (4867 words) [1948 PW], 61 kB (10218 words)  [1948 CWIMP] and 93 kB (15409 words) [1948 AIW]. Merging them, removing the overlap, and with thoughtful copyediting, would achieve a combined article of 120 kB (18000 words). That is the best outcome for our readers who undoubtedly want to understand a single topic in a single place. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I dont think that is true at all. The international phase and the civil war phase are definitely treated as two distinct parts of a wider overall conflict. nableezy - 15:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  what is not true? Your statement is correct but does not contradict mine. There was one war with multiple phases. Benny Morris in his book “1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War” divides the whole thing into four phases. Ephraim Karsh in “The Arab-Israeli Conflict: The Palestine War 1948” divides it into two stages. But it was one war. Please be more specific about what you don’t agree with. Onceinawhile (talk) 14:36, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I think Onceinawhile's argument cogent. There is a lot of repetition over the three articles, which could be cut significantly by treating the war as one with two phases, 30 November 1947-14 May 1948, and thereafter. The only significant objection I can think of is work-load: merging the three would be heavy yakka, but that should not be a problem if there was some readiness to do it. Most wiki articles sprawl out by the nature of tidbit editing, and, in time, our encyclopedic ends are only met when we grasp the elephantiasis by the balls and squeeze'em.Nishidani (talk) 15:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not convinced that there should only be one article and even if that were to be the case, there will never be agreement on a single name judging by past discussions. I say Palestine War, someone else says AI war -> Nocon. Selfstudier (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Post-RM discussion

message: Change "Transjordan" to "Jordan".
as the HyperLink it links to suggests, in :
"When the British Mandate of Palestine expired on 14 May 1948, and with the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, the surrounding Arab states—Egypt, Transjordan, Iraq and Syria—" Gezellig~hewiki (talk) 15:37, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: was known as "Transjordan" until 1949. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:54, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 October 2023 

message: Opening paragraph in Background should link to Balfour Declaration, as it provides further historical background and itself is an essential part of the background to pre-1948 conflict. 76.64.190.216 (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: The first mention of "" is in the section "" and is not present in the section desired. This may be the issue your request is wanting to address, but you'll need to provide the exact prose to add along with reliable sources to support it (if it's already in the article just paste them here). —Sirdog (talk) 04:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 9 November 2023 

message: Operation cast thy bread is a an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. The source for these alleged attacks is a former Israeli soldier contacted by the researcher behind this document, https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263206.2022.2122448, who was already dead at the time the accusations were published and as such unable to verify the claims. The source of this information is the provided paper currently used as a source for the claim. Please remove this section. 173.215.75.117 (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2024