Talk:Anglican sacraments

message: A new WikiProject focussing on Anglicanism and the Anglican Communion has just been initiated:  WikiProject Anglicanism.  Our goal is to improve and expand Anglican-reltaed articles.  If anyone (Anglican or non-Anglican) is interested, read over the project page and consider signing up.  Cheers! Fishhead64 06:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: WikiProject Anglicanism

message: The dictionaries I consulted define "liturgy" as a form of public worship.  Even Quakers have liturgies, a fact I have referenced in the article on liturgy.  And lest reference to dictionaries be considered suspect, I would also refer interested editors to the first chapter of two books: Cheslyn Jones et al., The Study of Liturgy and Evelyn Underhill, Worship, both now referenced at liturgy.  To say that a particular church is liturgical, in other words, is as unremarkable as saying that it conducts a prescribed form of worship - which all do, whether it involves prescribed silence until the Spirit moves one to speak, prescribed praise music followed by a sermon and speaking in tongues, or the no-holds-barred high Pontifical Mass.  The terms are synonymous.   Some may have a greater elaboration of liturgy than others, but none are "non-liturgical." Fishhead64 05:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did your dictionaries define "liturgical church"?  That term is not uncommonly used to contrast with "non-liturgical churches" (e.g., http://www.victorious.org/churchbook/chur51.htm).  --71.245.167.64 19:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No they didn't, but the term is meaningless since there is no such thing as a "non-liturgical church."  By simply having a usual form of public worship, churches are liturgical by definition.  I am not unaware that this term is sometimes used, as my revisions to liturgy point out, but it is a neologism that conveys a falsehood.  In any event, I'm not quite sure what your beef is with the original wording, "other churches in the Catholic tradition." That really is the issue here. Is it your contention that Anglicanism is not in the Catholic tradition?  The reason the word here is useful is because Anglican sacramental theology and liturgical life is in continuity with that of its pre-Reformation incarnation, and is closely allied with that of other Catholic bodies. Fishhead64 20:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The phrase "other churches in the Catholic tradition" is ambiguous, so I substituted "other liturgical churches."  The term I inserted is not one I made up; I have seen and heard it used several times in the sense described in the link provided.  You stated that using "liturgical churches" is not appropriate.  I re-edited using "other Christian churches" instead of the offending term. You have not commented on the other changes which you have reverted.--71.245.167.64 23:17, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My apologies for the other reversions, that was a mistake on my part. I don't have a problem with that language.  My only concern was that "Catholic" was more descriptive and, in fact, less ambiguous than "liturgical" or "Christian."  I concur that "liturgical" is sometimes used in the sense you suggest - but given that the chief meaning of "liturgical" is as an adjective of "liturgy," meaning a form of public worship, it seems more, not less, ambiguous. I will rework the intro to make it more clear, and hopefully we will all be happy. Fishhead64 00:36, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I apologise if I seem ungrateful for your willingness to accomodate, but in my opinion, the introduction is clearer and just as descriptive if the first paragraph is left out altogether.  I thought this version of the introduction was straightforward with a NPOV. --71.245.167.64 01:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: "Liturgical churches"

message: I have boldly renamed the section Holy Orders to Ordination. This seems to be the correct title to the section, as a postulant enters into holy orders through the sacrament of ordination. Liturgically speaking, one is ordained (admitted to holy orders) through the Liturgy of Ordination, also called the Ordinal, just as a person is baptized through the Liturgy of Baptism. Wine Guy Talk 22:12, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Holy Orders → Ordination 

message: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglican_sacraments#Confession_and_absolution says "There is no approved ceremony for a private confession of sins, the event being provided for in the Anglican tradition only in uncommon instances where an individual cannot quiet his conscience or find consolation in the General Confession that is part of the liturgy."  If the focus of this article is English practice, this seems to be correct.  I'm an American and (as the rest of the world often rightly reminds us) America is not the whole world.  For what it's worth, since 1979 the US Episcopal Book of Common Prayer HAS had a form for private confession, as correctly noted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confession_(religion)#Anglicanism in the first paragraph after the first indented quote.  However, since this article addresses all of Anglicanism, that level of detail may not be desirable or practical.  You may have to stick with the Church of England (Anglicanism's mother church) to keep the subject manageable. Gms3591 (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Private confession 

message: I do not have link-able source. I have been told by a priest that the bishop permission is still used to assure that prior divorces have legally concluded and both partners are fully aware of the history. i.e. Avoiding a second broken marriage by a serial cheater harming the lied to partner.
i think reasoning is worthy of note to an overview if the 'permission need' is mentioned. 45.53.130.189 (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  On bishop permission in divorce cases.