Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fascism/Archive 1

message: I think someone is really paranoid. Accusing any parties fascist need some solid proofs. I object the idea someone can run around and add this tag on whatever page he wishes. Bobbybuilder 11:58, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: General talk

message: Hello?  What evidence do people have to call the Posse Comitatus "Fascist?" It is an anarchical movement. There were undoubtedly some neofascists in it, but let's not toss every ultra-right group into the Fascist bucket.--Cberlet 13:50, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: see discussion on Talk:Posse Comitatus (U.S. movement). It was agreed that Posse Comitatus has some connections to American fascism, but does not meet the criteria for a fascist movement. Stlemur 14:31, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Posse Comitatus

message: The Universal Fascist Party seems to be another self-described "party" with no evident existence outside cyberspace. I've marked most of the article as copyvio because it's taken straight from the website. Maybe someone here knows something about it? --Trovatore 17:55, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Universal Fascist Party

message: Hi.  I thought that I would attempt to get the attention of  someone who is knowledgeable about the subject to take a look at the edits of  to Greek fascism.  I have already reverted two of the anon's edits for removing large chunks of text, some of which was properly refernced, without any discussion, and left a message at their talk page.  I'd very much appreciate a second opinion before I revert again.  Jkelly 22:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Anon being very bold at [[4th of August Regime|Greek fascism]]

message: Violence and propaganda are two separate things.  Plus the bullet point says "or" anyway, so why would you object to two separate bullet points?  Thanks.  Icemountain 01:25, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This is true. However, the full line is "advocating violence or using modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition". This means using violence and/or propoganda to suppress political opposition (1 statement) not advocate violence and then using modern propaganda techniques to suppress political opposition (2 statements). This changes the meaning of the line(s). If your intent was to make those two separate statements to the definition then OK, but we'd rather discuss any changes to the definition here first before the changes are made. - DNewhall
I see what you mean: "Suppressing political opposition via violence or propaganda".  That might help make it clearer and put the correct emphasis upfront? Icemountain 03:39, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Bullet points

message: I would like to call project-members attention to a recent series of edits by User:Sam Spade (and a few by User:Hogeye at Fascism, Far-right, Nazism in relation to other concepts, Fascism and ideology and, for all I know, perhaps elsewhere. Basically, at the core of these seems to be that Sam is using Friedrich Hayek as an authority and waging a campaign to say that Fascism and Nazism are socialist (which I believe Hayek did say, though very few other important writers on the subject agree with him) and leftist (which I believe not even Hayek said). This has taken such forms as Sam removing references to the waning influence of left ideologies in Fascism and Nazism over time, and Hogeye removing qualifications on the degree to which FDR's policies resembled corporatism.
The discussion has been difficult, because they seem to be holding others to a standard of citation that I do not see them abiding by themselves. Also, Sam has been questioning Chip Berlet's ability to be neutral on the topic; I certainly see no evidence that Sam is approaching the topic with more neutrality than Chip, although he is sometimes better at keeping his temper.
Anyway, all of these articles could currently use knowledgable attention. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:51, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Massive editing just happened.  Please review.  Jkelly 04:23, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sam Spade and Hogeye and Hayek