Talk:Five-by-five (basketball)

message: Would you like help in finding near misses of five-by-fives?  On several occassions, Michael Jordan has missed a five-by-five with a figure of 4 in one of the five statistics.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TyrusThomas4lyf (talk • contribs) 
Since he did not achieve it, the honerable mention should only go on the Michael Jordan page. stuston (talk) 17:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Michael Jordan/Near Misses

message: These are specific things I sort of know about but don't have much info on, even how to find it, so if any one else knows how and can find this info, that would be great.
1. a. The Dave Allessandro article referenced on the page mentions Hakeem and Kirilenko are the only two players with multiple career five-by-fives and then says seven others have done it once.  Well, the five-by-fives I put on the page are all from basketball-reference.com.  The guy has all box scores from 1986-87 up until the last completed season.  So, all five-by-fives in that time are on the list.  But, there are two other players who have achieved five-by-fives (according to that article) that I know nothing about... who they are, when they did it, what the stats were and on and on.  Also, Hakeem's career started in 1984-85 so it is possible he achieved another one or two sometime in 1984-85 or 1985-86 and it would be nice if someone could check this somehow.
:Update, I've found several articles mentioning Hakeem having only 6.  So, I think we can assume he did not achieve one in his first two seasons.  So, this list has all but two five-by-fives, one each by two different players not currently on the list. StatisticsMan 16:28, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research Help Appreciated 

message: Hey Quad, is this something you know is true for sure?  I think I've found only one site that lists Hakeem as having 6.  But, that same site also says "According to the Jazz, Kirilenko and Hakeem Olajuwon are the only players to have achieved a "five-by-five"."  That obviously is wrong so it'd be nice to get verification of Hakeem having 6 somewhere else as well.  I know I have exactly 6 box scores, but as I said, there are two years of his career for which I know nothing as far as his game-by-game stats.  That's why, down by Most Five-by-Fives in a career, I mentioned that Hakeem had "at least 6".  Thanks for your help on getting this into the NBA project and fixing my mistakes.
StatisticsMan 04:15, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hakeem's 6 five-by-fives 

message: Hey, not sure what's going on but if you search for five-by-five basketball, all that comes up as far as these pages is the old "basketball_five-by-five" page.  First, can't we delete that page?  All the info contained on it is now here.  Second, this page doesn't come up at all on the search so is something messed up? StatisticsMan 16:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Search 

message: I just made some changes, though nothing major.  I did a lot more of in Wiki links.  In doing so, I only picked out relevant things such as a player or a team or a basketball term but not irrelevant things such as a date.
I also included links to the box scores for the five-by-fives.  Just click the date in the table and it takes you directly to the box score.
In the table, I added in columsn to indicate the score and whether or not the team with the player who achieved the five-by-five won or lost.  To make room, I abbreviated headers such as points to pts and so on.  I also right justified all numbers which were not already right justified.
I did a few small edits other than this.  For example, it did read "Other active players to be within 1 stat..." but in the list was Kevin Garnett whom I had just talked about so the word  other makes it the wrong wording.  I changed it to "There are three active players to..."
StatisticsMan 04:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Changes 

message: How does a short section (Current Threats) with 7 direct references have a note saying it does not have any references?  Everything in the section is referenced.  I will remove this tag shortly unless there is some sort of discussion as to why you'd put such a tag in this section.
StatisticsMan 03:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: How is that section a trivia section?  It's sort of trivia.  But, it's not trivia like "trivia" here on Wikipedia.  It's just a group of facts on the subject.  As with the references needed note, which was dumb (this is not as dumb, maybe not even dumb), I will remove this tag unless someone explains why they put it there.  There are supposed to be discussions about editing things and apparently I'm the only one who does it.
StatisticsMan 14:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trivia 

message: I do not think it applies here because that would be a Five-by-two, this is the five-by-five page.  This seems like trivia more suited for these individuals' pages.  It should be removed.  stuston (talk) 17:14, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I can see this.  But, I also think it applies because that is the hardest part of getting a 5-by-5.  A person who can get 5 steals and 5 blocks is almost certainly capable of 5 points, 5 rebounds, and 5 assists, so this person is someone who is capable of getting a 5-by-5, whereas many NBA players never achieve 5 steals in any game in their entire career, or 5 blocks, let alone both feats in the same game.  Seeing as only 10 people have achieved this since 1986-87, who did not also achieve a 5-by-5, only 17 total players since that time have even achieved the seemingly simple 5 steals and 5 blocks in a game.  This is similar to the near-misses section in the quadruple-double page I would say.  I believe it applies to show how few players can even get those 2 specific stats, let alone put it together with the other 3. StatisticsMan (talk) 18:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: In fact, I just did a search on basketball-reference and just 5 steals and 5 blocks has only happened 47 times (including the 5-by-5s and players who had 5-by-5s) by 17 total players since 1986-87, with 20 of these by Hakeem Olajuwon.  So, this seems to be the best candidate for a "near-miss" unless you want to also include people who had 5 steals, 5 blocks but only 4 assists or rebounds.  If we define "near-miss" here to mean 5 steals, 5 blocks, but maybe only 1 shy on 1 stat (so 4 boards, or 4 assists), then there are only 3 near-misses since 1986-87, 2 of them by people who also got 5-by-5s.  So, I think the section is good as it shows a few other players who have been close, whereas if we make it any more restrictive, it will be basically empty. StatisticsMan (talk) 19:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Players with 5+ steals and 5+ blocked shots in one game