Talk:Super Mario RPG/Archive 1

message: But- what about the FF boss in the game? Not mentioned, but I can't remember where it is. In the lower-left hand corner of the world.
:Culex in Monstro Town.  –Andre (talk)  15:13, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I read somewhere that Culex actually wasn't in any Final Fantasy game, just 
themed like one. GSGold 01:50, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe Culex was in Final Fantasy V, though the music (both the fight theme and victory theme) that appears in Super Mario RPG is from Final Fantasy IV. - Furrykef 03:27, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

text: Maybe; let me log on and get to that point in the game. :) 70.178.93.149 19:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy boss: Culex

message: I don't believe that the term "gateway drug" should be used; I've replaced it with the meaningfully-equivalent "introductory.  ~GMH
:That's all well and good, but why not? Andre (talk) 01:35, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
::I don't think its really necessary either without expounding on it more as to why it could be considered a gateway drug. To say its a good introduction to RPG games is one thing to say its a gateway drug implies addiction, which isn't always so. I've played some of this game and some of PM:TTYD and I'm not much of an RPG player. K1Bond007 05:00, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
:::I thought it was clear enough from the gateway drug article. Andre (talk) 18:47, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
::::I clearly understand the use of the term, I don't, however, feel its a necessary term to use. It doesn't really matter to me though, I'm just commenting here. :) K1Bond007 20:43, Apr 25, 2005 (UTC)
:::::I agree with the person who mentioned the implication of addiction, since role-play gaming is not something that can be counted as a true addiction, especially considering the way drugs become addictions.
::::::Whoever thought up the use of "gateway drug" in this context needs to re-check his definition of a professional encyclopedia, thank you. Wisgary 01:02, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, it's rather silly. While gaming, roleplaying, or escapism can be addictive, it's hardly the kind of chemical drug most talk about. It's no more addictive than... happiness. Sex, exercise, praise and food are far more addictive I'd say. Tyciol 20:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Gateway Drug?

message: Do we really need to use a screenshot of the Smithy fight? -- A Link to the Past 23:06, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I don't think it hurts.  I suppose it might constitute as a spoiler, especially since you see Bowser in your party, but all the article needs is a longer paragraph alongside the pictures of the game for the Smithy battle to fit right in.  --pie4all88 02:14, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I would usually agree with pie4all, but on the Final Fantasy VII article, it was recently concluded that the Sephiroth final battle picture was just better off not in the main article...so while this is a lesser game, perhaps we should follow same 'rule?' Lockeownzj00 23:51, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it constitutes as a spoiler too, it's largely unnecessary. Smithy is meant to be a mystery until the end. Having a picture of Mario fighting Bowser, Hammer Bros. or Mack would make more sense. Even Mack's appearance is no surprise based on his minions who you fight earlier. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Smithy screenshot

message: Why was this moved to the longer title? It's more well-known as "Super Mario RPG," which has 82,300 Google hits. The longer title has only 16,800. Andre (talk) 04:41, August 7, 2005 (UTC)
:Wouldn't Paper Mario and so on also be "Super Mario RPGs"? Besides, the official title is Super Mario RPG: The Legend of the Seven Stars, so I don't see why you'd want to use another name. I mean, I bet more people call Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time "Zelda" than by the full title, but that doesn't mean the article should be renamed accordingly (probably as many players think Link is really named Zelda, for that matter, as those who know otherwise). So I'd say leave it be.--Deridolus 20:16, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Move-back

message: Why does this article have a link to Culex, but Culex is just a redirect to this article? Jaysbro 15:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the self-redirect. I have also created a disambiguation page at Culex, since Mosquito was linking to the redirect. Mushroom 18:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I updated the link to reflect recent changes. Taric25 22:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I just updated it again. Taric25 10:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirect link (Culex)

message: :Along the way he meets up with 6 other characters which will help him in this quest.
This is found in the Story section. I think it's 4, not 6. Mallow, Geno, Bowser, and Toadstool, in that order. Correct me if i'm wrong.
:Well, technically he probably meets dozens of characters, but yes, only 4 (Toadstool, Bowser, Geno, Mallow) actually accompany him as fighting teammates. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Who are the other two?

message: What is meant by the comment about SMRPG being closed captioned? I've played it on TVs with the captions turned on, and never seen traditional captions. --Ntg 04:37, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I was wondering the same. Bob A 04:23, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

text: It appears to be subtle vandalism.  It was added by 12.210.89.166 in mid October of last year.  Around that time, this IP address was repeatedly warned, and shortly thereafter blocked, for adding nonsense.  I'm just going to go ahead and remove that sentence from the article. -Wild Bill 03:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Closed Captioning?

message: I've changed the article back to using the names of the characters as provided by the game. I realize the more "correct" names are Princess Peach Toadstool, King Bowser Koopa, etc. but the names actually used in game are the ones listed in the article. --Ntg 06:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Character names

message: In the references section, it mentioned that the music for the Mushroom Kingdom was directly pulled from Final Fantasy V.  This is not the case (I listened to them and am familiar with both songs), though the two songs do sound rather similar. JayKeaton 18:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Final Fantasy V music reference

message: I put the technical information on the game near the top.  I really don't want it there, but it makes sense to have it before the spoiler section, in case people still interested in playing the game who have never done so wish to learn about the technical details.  I will not be offended if this is moved.  (Please move it, rather than reverting, as I fixed a typeo IIRC) --Overand 09:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Technical

message: This comparison was recently removed. Rather than make some edit war, I thought we could discuss it's validity here. Geno is indeed a magical doll brought to life by a star. He also received his name from his owner (the kid, similar to Gepetto naming Pinocchio) The difference is, Geno IS the star, and he fights. He also doesn't need a conscience, he's actually more like the group's conscience, the spiritual guide throughout the quest. Even so, the similarities are worth noting I think, unless someone has a closer doll. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Geno-Pinnochio?

message: *Jonathan 'Johnny' Jones: Johnny was once the captain of a pirate ship until a giant squid sank it. Somehow becoming merman-like creatures, Johnny and his pirates now command the ocean from beneath its waves, employing the same squid that sank them to protect their ship's treasure hold. Mario must fight his way through the sunken ship, which is now infested with ghosts, and fight Johnny and his minions to earn a Star Piece.
was changed back to
*Jonathan 'Johnny' Jones: Johnny is a shark pirate that inhabited the sunken ship with his fellow sharks. Mario must fight his way through the sunken ship, which is now infested with ghosts, and fight Johnny and his minions to earn a Star Piece.
withouut explanation. I believe my expanded edits are consistant with the game, why were they removed? Due to spoilers? Due you believe the information is false? Please exlain, or I will revert the revert... but it is good to discuss it here first to resolve the disagreement. Tyciol 19:30, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the second one was just more concise. And it never really said Johnny had transformed from human to creature.  It was always assumed that he had always been a shark. Sir John Sack-and-Sugar 06:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Jonathon Jones edit war

message: Super Mario & The Seven Stars? Chew on this! Revelation 1:20 talks about seven stars:
:"As for the sacred secret of the seven stars that you saw upon my right hand, and of the seven golden lampstands: The seven stars mean the angles of the seven congregations, and the seven lampstands mean seven congregations." 
Kundalini
:Interesting... although I'm sure it's more of a coincidence. The seven stars concept has been around before this anyway hasn't it? With star road or something... Tyciol 20:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, it wasn't before, it was after, but regardless, any biblical connection is non-existant.  It is just merely coincidence. AnujSuper9 00:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Biblical occurance

message: "In addition, there are two Easter eggs in the Booster Tower area. One allows the player to control the original Mario as he appeared in Super Mario Bros. for a short time, while the second is a Samus figurine in the toy box of Booster's Room. A similar trick (as revealed in Nintendo Power) is also present in Paper Mario, as well as its sequel, Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door."
* What trick are we referring to? The first or second easter egg? I propose changing "A similar trick" to "The former/latter easter egg", but I don't know which is correct. --Daev 16:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cultural references: a "trick" 

message: Zeality has suggested improving this article.  I've already started.  We should make a goal to have FA or GA at some point. Sir Crazyswordsman 04:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we badly need to add more references and add more info about gameplay. - Mamyles 01:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

text: If someone can add some storyline that would be great.  The story description is very brief and i'd add more myself but i haven't played in years.  Still i'll do what i can to help ---Nightengale989 19:41, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

text: I'll expand the story section, as I'm currently replaying the game. -Wilfredo Martinez 06:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time for an improvement drive. 

message: Would it be possible to get a screenshot of Link at the inn?  I saw one of Samus and I'd really like if anyone had one of the Link one as well.  If anyone has one and they were to put it up, that'd be great, if not perhaps we can work on getting this?  AnujSuper9 00:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We've moved this to List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Taric25 07:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Link screenshot? 

message: Shouldn't this be moved to Super Mario RPG or Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars? Random the Scrambled (?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 20:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone accidentally broke it, so it can't be moved to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars without help from an admin. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Go to WP:RM and list this under the "uncontroversial moves" section. TJ Spyke 23:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario RPG''''':'''''? 

message: Move: I think it would be best if we simply moved it to the full game title. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 01:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Move to Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars 

message: Why wasn't the game released in the PAL region? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.181.139.197 (talkcontribs).
:Because Nintendo thought the PAL region didn't like RPGs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.223.187.119 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 5 February 2007
::Encyclopedic content must be verifiable. Cite your sources. Taric25 06:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: A question

message: To set the record straight, I didn't use the Square logo "to look pretty". I added it because that's what's in the screenshot. If the Nintendo logo appeared, then I would have added it as well. (BTW, I just revamped the summary of the square logo on its image description page.) However, since the citeria for fair use on Wikipedia is that no public domain (or other free licence) material that can serve the same purpose exists. The text "Square" serves the same purpose. Taric25 16:11, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Square logo 

message: I added an annotated citation with two corroborative sources to support Mario is a silent protagonist. Taric25 07:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Silent protagonist 

message: "Like Super Mario World, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars' music primarily varies the same theme." Can anyone provide a citation for this? Taric25 18:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audio 

message: The term "not a platformer" in the sentence "This game is not a platformer" means:
This game is not characterized by bottomless pits that the player must jump over to get past. Any more detail about the meaning of this sentence?? Georgia guy 15:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Not a platformer" means... 

message: I think the summary has some definite room for improvement. There should be a little less, and they shouldn't be the amount of grime on it that there is. Spoiled Silk 02:34, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Summary 

message: The story section is too goddamn long, I think? Doppelganger E 03:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, we should work on shortening it. Taric25 07:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I added . Taric25 03:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

text: I trimmed the story by about a third, but it's still close to 1200 words.  Feel free to change it back if I removed too much. Dalton Imperial 07:18, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Story section 

message: I had once heard that the music for the Mushroom Kingdom in this game is the same as a certain town in Final Fantasy V. Can anyone confirm this? ~Hibana
:This seems to be listed under Wikipedia... so yes, confirming it would be good. I never noticed, but I was never very observant. Tyciol 19:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, it's  that plays while in Walse Castle. Taric25 00:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Same music as Final Fantasy?

message: When there is no mention of him. Shouldn't he be redirected to Yoshi? magiciandude 21:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. Taric25 05:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why Does Boshi Redirect Here? 

message: Is there any good reason given by Square/Nintendo, or otherwise known, for the cancellation of the European release? --Bilge [TC] 12:37, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  European delay 

message: Axem Rangers and Queen Valentina both redirect to this article but are not mentioned within. Will someone with knowledge on the topic please add information on these two characters to this article if appropriate? If not -- or if so -- would folks weigh in on the Redirects for Deletion discussion? —mako๛ 19:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: GOOGLE "AXEM RANGERS WIKIPEDIA". GET SUPER MARIO RPG WITHOUT ONE MENTION OF A TRACE OF THE WORD "AXEM" OR "RANGER" ON IT. YOU ALSO GET SUPER MARIO BROS. SERIES CHARACTERS WHICH DOESNT MENTION CHARACTERS IN ONLY ONE GAME. APPARENTLY THE ONLY "REAL" ARTICLE ON WIKIPEDIA THAT MENTIONS AXEM RANGERS IS THE SUPER_SENTAI ARTICLE. I GUESS "AXEM RANGERS" SHOULD REDIRECT THERE. GOGGLING "QUEEN VALENTINA" YOU JUST SHOWS A DEVIANTART PICTURE AND I THINK ITS OKAY IF SHE REDIRECTS HERE AND ISNT MENTIONED BECAUSE I DONT THINK SHES AS WORTH MENTIONING AS THE AXEM RANGERS ON THE MERITS THAT THEYRE MORE POPULAR AND BASED MORE ON "AMERICAN" (SHARED WITH JAPAN) CULTURE..."POWER RANGERS" AS OPPOSED TO "SUPER SENTAI" ETC. BUT STILL WORTH AT LEAST JUST 1 MENTION OF THEIR NAME. HOWEVER EVEN IF WE DONT LIST THEM KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME VIDEOGAMES ESPECIALLY BACK THEN AROUND THIS TIME MENTIONED ALL THE NAMES OF ALL THE CHARACTERS AND ENEMIES IN THE GAME AND IT ISNT IMPOSSIBLE TO LIST THEM SO I DONT SEE WHY WE CANT MAKE A SIMPLE LIST WITHOUT NECESSARILY MAKING A SIDE DESCRIPTION TO IT (IF THATS THE KEY TO IT BEING SEEN AS "SPAM"). EVEN IF THEYRE NOT LISTED THEIR NAME SHOULD AT LEAST BE REDIRECTED TO THIS GAME IF WIKIPEDIA IS TRULY "THE SUM OF HUMAN KNOWLEDGE" THEN "IF I CANT WIKIPEDIA IT ..IT DOESNT EXIST". LOGICAL. ALSO THE JAPANESE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE OF SUPER MARIO RPG HAS MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTIONS FOR EACH CHARACTER AND THEIR ROLE IN THIS GAME AS OPPOSED TO SPAMMING THE MAIN CHARACTER PAGE WITH IT AND I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR EXAMPLE...OR OUR OWN EXAMPLE THAT WE LOST BY DELETING IT BY SEEING IT AS USELESS EVEN THO THE JAPANESE WIKIPEDIA PAGE IS TWICE AS LONG WITH ALL USEFUL RELEVANT INFORMATION AND NO USELESS PICTURES. BUT I DIGRESS. --0000ZERO (talk) 04:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Axem Rangers, Queen Valentina 

message: I cannot find any credible evidence that such an album was ever published by NTT Publishing. While there is a copy of this floating around on the net, it is more likely that this is a collection of fan-arranges than an unknown album. Moreover, the album title and tracklist are provided here with no citation. For these reasons, I propose that this album be removed from the entry.
Secret Squirrel (VGMdb) (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlikely, since you can hear people talking in Japanese in the "bar" in the background of The Drunkard Song. Taric25 (talk) 05:51, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Super Mario RPG Arranged Tracks 

message: I noticed you wanted some feedback on the article at assessment and how to improve it so I'll review this like I would if it were asked for a Peer Review.
General
* Images need descriptive alt text (descriptions might need further detail)
* DAB Links - These need pointing in the right direction
* Ref 9 and 36 are dead (fixed)
* References don't need a full quote in them, just the basic information of the reference. URL, pages, author etc.
* There's some inconsistency in how dates are formatted in the references. Eg. Some are yyyy-mm-dd and some are written in full January 1, 2000
* Don't need the "Battle system" sub-heading in the gameplay section, can be merged. Make sure the prose still flows though.
* I would merge "Rereleases" into "Legacy"
* I would see a copy edit so the writing is cleaned up, especially some of the single line paragraphs.
* Try reading some RPG based FA articles
Writing
Lead
* Expansion is needed per WP:Lead. It needs to give a summary of the whole article, for example, the lead gives no indication of how it was received.
* "marking the longest time difference between a game release for different regions in Nintendo's history." - Is there a citation for this anywhere in the article? (removed)
Gameplay
* "Much of Super Mario RPG's gameplay is outside of monster battles. In the field, the game plays much like an isometric platformer, in which both traditional Mario features and new ones play a key role" - It needs to be explained first that there are two main sections to the game, outside battles and inside them rather than assuming the reader knows this. This will explain what "in the field" means. "traditional Mario features" needs explaining. Try saying what they are THEN saying that they are features commonly found in Mario games.
* "Avoiding battles also means acquiring fewer experience points, which will slow the process of levelling up and potentially make unavoidable battles more difficult." - Reads like a guide (WP:Not) (removed)
* "Toadstool uses primarily healing" - "primarily" is redundant
* Wiki-link "turn based system" and "active time element" as these are not obvious to the reader what they are
* "The need to perform action commands in between navigating menus requires the player to be engaged in the battle the whole time." - This sentence I feel states the obvious, the player is playing the game anyway. (removed)
* The last paragraph seems to be a mish-mash of different statements which don't really connect.
Plot
* Some of the paragraphs are a little stumpy, some can be merged with each other.
Development
* "an actual RPG battle system" - "actual" is redundant
* "For example, the Chancellor before named the Mushroom Retainer" - Needs rewording
Reception
* I would use the  template to include scores to keep short one line "This publication gave it x/x". Keep the prose focused on the individual elements of the reviews
* There doesn't seem to be anything about music or story
Legacy
* "In fact, Nintendo" - "in fact" is redundant
* "after the typical " - "typical is redundant
Rerelease
* The whole section should not be made up of bullet points.
* "Also, some of the colors were adjusted." - Merge with previous sentence and remove "also" eg "and some of the.."
I hope these suggestions help the article improve. CrimsonFox talk 21:19, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow, that was quite a review, I honestly didn't expect so much detail. Thank You! This is a great topic which I think it has plenty of potential to go up all the way to FA with the proper work on it. I was just hoping someone would leave me a couple of pointers for B-Class, as I think it's best to go one step at a time and not try to jump all the way up at once, but this is great feedback. Thank You Crimsonfox!NeoGenPT (talk) 08:40, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I have marked the points that have already been corrected by me and Larrythefunkyferret. This will simplify to other editors what still needs to be addressed on the list. If I missed anything please correct it. NeoGenPT (talk) 14:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Alt text needs to be more descriptive of the image itself and not what's portraying, that is the job for the caption. Think of how a blind person would listen to the alt text for the cover, they wouldn't know what "Super Mario RPG game cover (SNES)" looks like. CrimsonFox talk 15:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Added some better descriptions for the alt tag, although they could be further improved. (for example I don't know the names of those enemies in the battle scene pic, that could be added maybe) NeoGenPT (talk) 15:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Just so you know, they're called Terrapins, so what you have is perfectly accurate. I'll see if I can do anymore. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I added a VG Review box with some reviews taken from the article. The reviews will need to be sourced, but I have a really hard time finding sources for stuff. I also merged that last paragraph of the gameplay section into previous paragraphs in that section. I think it may need some rewording, but at least they are more logically placed. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 07:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where to improve 

message: Should we say something about the Lazy Shell modding tool and the modding community using it? I don't see this mentioned in the article.98.101.136.218 (talk) 15:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never heard of this. What sourced information do you have on this? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

text: Here, have a look around...
http://giangurgolo.home.att.net/smrpg/
98.101.136.218 (talk) 03:40, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

text: It would be hard, but that doesn't mean it'd be impossible. All we have to do is show that it's a big deal, and the easiest way to do that is to find a credible newspaper that talks about it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modding 

message: Should this article mention this GBA title that was also done by Chihiro Fujioka? They play similar. Even the victory theme of Tomato Adventure sounds similar to Super Mario RPG's. Parrothead1983 (talk) 19:16, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Only if it's covered in reliable sources (WP:VG/RS) czar ♔ 19:56, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Tomato Adventure

message: Is RPGFan a reliable source? It's about section here makes it seem like a fan site as it's gone through several owners and operators without any serious business technique. Not to mention that it's staff seems to allow anyone to join. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: It was vetted as reliable at WP:VG/RS. czar ♔ 12:53, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: RPGFan

message: This game must have been released in Europe. I live in UK and I had this game. When did it get released? 2.99.199.59 (talk) 08:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No it was not. Maybe you had an import though. NathanWubs (talk) 08:14, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ummmm... 

message: Re:  , Template:Infobox video game#platforms makes it very clear to not include emulated releases in the infobox. I said this in my edit summary. Please revert your edit. – czar 16:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  VC in infobox 

message: * http://www.usgamer.net/articles/how-an-unexpected-pairing-gave-super-mario-rpg-a-20-year-legacy
* http://www.usgamer.net/articles/usgamers-rpg-podcast-super-mario-rpg-axe-of-the-blood-god-55
czar 00:20, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

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message: See: http://shmuplations.com/supermariorpg/ TarkusABtalk 02:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newly translated interviews 

message: So I'm seeing a little back and forth in regards to Geno's inclusion in Super Smash Bros, so I want to start a discussion here in hopes of avoiding an edit war. The current revision stands at:
:Though Geno's only leading video game role is in Super Mario RPG, Masahiro Sakurai added the popularly requested character to the Super Smash Bros. fighting game series because of his projectile hand.
This is not entirely true. Geno was not "added" in any Smash game. In Wii U/3DS, a Geno skin for Mii Fighter was released, but he's not considered part of the roster, same as Cuphead or Sans. The first part of the sentence isn't really notable either, as many other Smash characters have only appeared in one game (like Duck Hunt or Ice Climbers).
The source makes clear that the character is a popular request; Sakurai wanted to include the character since Brawl but couldn't (whether or not it's due to licensing is speculation); the character was included as a skin in Wii U/3DS. All of these should be taken into account here. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geno in Smash Bros