Talk:Machig Labdrön

message: I am going to quote a story taken from the Lineage (Buddhism) site; I never heard about it before so I don't know whether it claims some historical truth or not. Does anybody know? Since it is to be found beneath the headline "Teaching story" it seems to be constructed for mind training.
"Though it cannot be conclusively ascertained as to whether or not Kamalashila was vain, it is pointed that directly after this debate with Mo Ho Yen, as he was making his way down from the Himalaya to the Indian lowlands, that he was induced to resort to phowa on compassionate grounds, transferring his mindstream into a truly dead corpse polluted with contagion. Thereby in compassion, animating the corpse, he moved it to a safe location - as nobody wished to move the dangerous corpse in fear of disease. As the mindstream of Kamalashila was otherwise engaged, a Mahasidda by the name of Padampa Sangye came across the vacant kuten or "physical basis" of Kamalashila. Padampa Sangye, was not karmically blessed with an aesthetic corporeal form, and upon finding the very handsome and healthy empty body of Kamalashila, which he perceived as a newly dead fresh corpse, transferred his mindstream into Kamalashila's body. Padampa Sangye's mindstream in Kamalashila's body continued the ascent to the Himalaya and thereby transmitted the Chöd. The mindstream of Kamalashila upon endeavouring to return to his kuten was unable to do so and resorted by necessity to the vacant body of Padampa Sangye.[4] The mindstream of Padampa Sangye continued in this body, and it is in this body that the transmission of Chod was made to Machig Labdrön.[5]
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.94.87 (talk) 19:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: -- 212.202.60.84 (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some historical truth? 

message: *Zangri Kangmar: Machig's Main seat
*face of Machig Lapdron statue at Zangri Kangmar
*Khangmar DZ on tibetmap
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.218.119 (talk) 10:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.222.236 (talk) 11:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: *Refuge Field - Cho Lineage
I have taken the link from this site -http://lhamo.tripod.com/9deity.htm#Machig-, and it says "Thangka #349 on the Art of Tibet site depicts Machig Labdrön's life story, and thangka #223 shows her at the centre of a Nyingma chöd lineage tree." The thangka above is thangka #223 that here is she is shown at the centre of a Nyingma chöd lineage tree.
*Teacher (Lama) - Machig Labdron
This thangka is thangka #349.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.222.236 (talk) 11:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Thangka 

message: Has she been given the title yogi and not yogini because of the mindstream of Mönlam Drub? Did she not have a mindstream of "her own"?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.194.161 (talk) 13:01, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.194.161 (talk) 13:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title 

message: * I'd like to add this one.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.222.241 (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.222.241 (talk) 15:15, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.222.241 (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weblinks 

message: One of her sons is to be found in TBRC.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.195.38 (talk) 15:02, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  One of her sons 

message: tbrc doesn't mention a Seat for Machig Labdrön. The wiki article says that Zangri Khangmar has been her home. so: what does Seat mean in Tibetan Buddhist terminology?
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.80.236 (talk) 10:59, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.171 (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.171 (talk) 12:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.215.171 (talk) 12:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.72.0.167 (talk) 11:51, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I wonder if there is also a relationship between one's seat (as a place) and enthronement? Best, AD64 (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seat 

message: how does all this go together?
*Gyalwa Karmapa says that Jomo Memo was a karmic emanation of Yeshe Tsogyel. Most probably this means activity emanation, karma meaning activity. But: whose karma?
*Aro Encyclopedia cites a prediction of Yeshe Tsogyel saying: "An activity emanation of my speech will appear in Tsang and she will be known as Jomo Menmo." and on the same page it states "Jomo Menmo Pema Tsokyi (Jom-mo sMan-mo Padma mTsho-sKyid) the incarnation of Ma-gÇig Labdrön ". Seems to be a contradiction.
*At the same time it states: "Ma-gÇig Labdrön (Ma gCig Lap sGron – 1055-1145) ‘Unique Mother Torch of Practice’ was the incarnation of Yeshé Tsogyel. Ma-gÇig Labdrön took incarnation as Jomo Menmo and then as Khyungchen Aro Lingma." 
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.193.130 (talk) 20:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.193.130 (talk) 21:55, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incarnations and emanations 

message: Another son is mentioned here , "Machik Lhadron's second son Toling Sandrup founded the "Tradition of Black Hat of Snowy Mountain." This tradition had many nuns of Joyul sect. Toling had "twenty-one male and female chief disciples" and "eighteen female disciples of achievements". Most of them were nuns." see " 3. Nuns of Joyul sect and their unique way of self-cultivation".
*Daughter and granddaughter
*
"Besides, Macik Labdron's daughter Lha-lcam and granddaughter gang-pa mug-yan were well-known nuns of the Joyul sect. Lha-lcam founded a tradition based on quiet practice, violent practice and quiet-violent practice. This tradition had three branches, of which the most influential was the "rgyal-thang Joyul tradition," founded by rgyal-thang-pa bsam-gtan vod-zer.
Macik Labdron's granddaughter Gangpa Moyen, daughter of her second son Toling Sandrup, learned the teachings of Joyul sect from her father, She taught disciples and propagated the Joyul sect."
I doubt which of the informations should be inserted into the article.
:Austerlitz -- 88.75.82.164 (talk) 12:33, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.82.164 (talk) 12:58, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.93.85 (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another son 

message: Tsultrim Allione provides some more information online What is a Demon?
Simhamukha is said to be (have been?) a dakini. Some people -maybe even many- think dakinis to be demons.
Allione in her book Tibets Weise Frauen writes: Da Dämonen (eine Projektion des Ego) nur demjenigen schaden können, der etwas zu verteidigen hat, können sie niemanden belästigen, der kein Hoheitsgebiet (das heißt Ego) hat, das er beschützen müsste. Dies ist die philosophische Basis der Chöd-Lehren.“ Allione in Anmerkung 63 der Lebensgeschichte von Machig Lapdrön, S. 328 des Buches Tibets weise Frauen
: Austerlitz -- 88.75.91.230 (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Austerlitz -- 88.75.91.230 (talk) 20:09, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

text: -- 88.75.213.57 (talk) 10:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

text: The Demon section is totally inappropriate. Does anyone really care what Tsultrim Allinoe says about it? What possible relevance does this section have for the biography of Machig Labdron? The speculations and psychologizing cited in this section need to be completely removed. It's not scholarship and it's not even close to relevant. Joechip123 (talk) 00:21, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the Demon section does not belong here even if edited for more neutrality. It could be useful in the Chöd entry though. AD64 (talk) 06:15, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Demon Thing 

message: I shifted the original reference to the Troma Nagmo Chod here, with the associated talk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AD64 (talk • contribs) 06:29, 2 May 2016‎ (UTC)
Mother
Tröma Nagmo (The Extremely Wrathful Black Mother - Dakini Troma Nagmo (the black form of Vajrayogini), ) , Wisdom mother, Great Mother.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.199.209 (talk) 06:48, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I suggest any reference to Troma Nagmo be removed from this page on Machig Labdron. It does not apply to the biography of Machig, but rather to the Chöd entry. In addition, since this description refers to a specific terma from Dudjom Lingpa which is is after Machig's time, we can assume that Machig did not practice this particular form of Chöd. AD64 (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I deleted a link in the External References section because the link is no longer live and because it refers us to the liturgy for the above terma cycle that was not practiced by Machig. AD64 (talk) 06:25, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Troma Nagmo Chod Reference

message: The preview for the Machig Labdron entry (with the small photo and a one line description) reads "Tibetan Busshist Teacher." I don't know where this content is stored, or even what this preview item is properly called, yet I'd like to correct the spelling on this. Can anyone help with this or point me to the place where I can make the change myself? Thanks so much. AD64 (talk) 04:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Tibetan "Busshist" teacher

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