Talk:Dublin

message: The current and stable version (12 May 2022) of the lead refers to the change of control of Dublin (from Hiberno-Norse to Anglo-Norman influence) after the Anglo-Norman invasion of Ireland (including Strongbow's seizure of Dublin in 1170). To support this text, the lead (and the body) refers to Dickson (2014) Dublin: The Making of a Capital City. Who summarises this period in his preface. 
Of the 11th and early 12th centuries, Dickson writes (of Hiberno-Norse Dublin) that:
:"despite its wealth and ecclesiastical profile, Dublin remained a subordinate power [..] under Norse sub-kings [..] in the wider contests for Irish high-kingship, mainly [..to..] the chief dynasties of Leinster and Munster"
Of the late 12th century onwards, Dickson writes (of Anglo-Norman Dublin) that:
:"the physical impact of the decision to make 'the king's city of Dublin' capital of the Norman lordship of Ireland was evident quite quickly. The walls were immediately strengthened [..and..] Military threats to the town lessened in the early Norman era [..And by late-13th C we can..] speak of Dublin as a city, for by the later thirteenth century its population nearly trebeled its pre-1170 [Norman capture] peak."
Despite the fact that this source (and many others covering this period of the history of Dublin and Ireland and supporting this article) refer to the term "Norman", an editor seems determined to excise the term "Norman" from the lead of this article.. (And, indeed, from other articles .) While I have attempted to engage the editor on their talk page, as this is (now) a discussion about article content, the available references, and how those references are reflected in the content, the I felt it best to open a thread here.
In short, it is my position that the majority of sources (including the sources which support this article and its lead) refer to the expansion of Dublin (to a city and the principal city) as happening after the Norman invasion (and Norse decline) in Ireland. And hence that, I believe, is a perfectly reasonable thing for the article to say. As it currently does. 
I'd welcome other thoughts. If other editors feel that using the term "Norman" is somehow not representative of the sources (or for some reason confusing as the editor seems to believe), then I'm happy to help with compromise wording. But, right now, I think the text of the lead is an accurate reflection of the sources, of common terminology, and of the established facts. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 20:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't like those sources, I have others! I'll happily chip in for a bottle of Champagne, too. Current version, mentioning the Norman invasion, is, of course, fine. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 20:23, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Short sentence on Hiberno-Norse to Anglo-Norman control in lead 

message: Minor point, the recent 33.1C record high for Dublin was at the Phoenix Park station, not Dublin Airport. Does the table need to be re-titled?Sarah777 (talk) 09:53, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Climate

message: Should “pronounced [ˈbˠalʲə aːhə ˈclʲiə] or [ˌbʲlʲaː ˈclʲiə]” be replaced by “pronounced [ˌbʲlʲaː ˈclʲiə]” in the lead? I am only aware of the second pronunciation hence why I came here (to the talk page), I feel like the first pronunciation may be hyperforeign, evolving from L2 spelling pronunciation(?), but I am not a native speaker so I don’t know if the first pronunciation is used by natives in certain regions. 2A01:B340:86:73BB:D895:C551:8740:9C3F (talk) 17:05, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not a source(!), but as someone who's spoken Irish throughout my life, I would use the first pronunciation. Certainly no need to remove it.  Iveagh Gardens (talk) 10:34, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Irish pronunciation  

message: In any Slavic language "Dublin" would mean "place of oaks" and it's not an unusal toponym in Slavic realms. It is further corroborated by the central old quarter of "Crumlin", compare Kremlin in Moscow - which actually means stronghold/fortification. Oaks were important trees to both the old Gauls and to Slavs as well. How come Slavic? When? Well, considering "Baile Átha Cliath" was the original Gaelic name and "Dublin" came about with the Vikings, one cannot but point out that in some sources Slavic Vikings accompanied the Norse on their war on the British Isles including Ireland. Denmark was partly inhabited by Slavs and bi-cultural and bi-lingual. (More in Anne Elisabeth Jensen's book "Dania Slavica") and the Danish Slavs were subjects of the Danish kings. In Saxo Grammaticus we can read of how Slavs fought for the Danish king as early as the Battle of Bravallir (est. around 750 AD). This should be considered and researched. Antique2020 (talk) 12:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi. Are you aware of any references which give Dublin as having a Slavic origin/derivation? Does Jensen's Dania Slavica refer to Dublin or Ireland anywhere? In what context? (Absent sources, the simple answer to your "Why isn't the Slavic version considered [in the article]?" is "because there no reliable/verifiable sources discuss or consider it [outside the article]". Wikipedia articles reflect reliable and verifiable sources. With due weight given to such sources. If no sources consider the word "Dublin" as having a Slavic origin, then an editor's theory can only be read as original research...) Guliolopez (talk) 14:07, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no evidence, my question asks why it isn't considered. Dania Slavica is a source of Danish-Slavic co-existence and thus common raids and wars. The Danish Vikings were not all Norse. Praised be Wikipedia but if you look up any eg. battle and switch between languages, you will soon discover how articles differ, pending who writes them. Antique2020 (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: It isn't considered because novel hypotheses aren't considered here. As Guliolopez indicated, this isn't a forum for users to share and discuss their own speculation, or to discuss why these hypotheses haven't come up before. Largoplazo (talk) 18:01, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

text: Hello, sorry, but talk pages are for discussing improvements to their associated pages, including addition of information already published in reliable sources. They aren't for general discussion about their subjects, including consideration of new hypotheses. Largoplazo (talk) 15:23, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why isn't the Slavic version considered? 

message: A lot of the images in this article are quite old (see temple bar and grafton street in the culture section for example). As I live in Dublin, it'd be pretty easy for me to take new pictures of the areas and streets shown. Should I go ahead with this? Normally I'd be bold but this would be a significant change to the article so I'd like to hear some opinions first. LynxesDesmond 🐈 12:19, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to, but this is one of several articles I have on my watchlist that suffers from WP:OWNERSHIP, so you'll likely face some resistance, even though you're well-meaning. Seasider53 (talk) 12:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Replace old images 

message: I've noticed that a strange cross symbol is at the top of the article in the latest revision, and I don't know why it's there.
If someone could explain why it's there, that would be great. († is the symbol) AU Fan V2 (talk) 02:32, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Fixed. Seasider53 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cross symbol