Talk:Long Island/Archive 1

message: Poughkeepsie isn't even upstate.  Anything from around that area south is downstate and the rest is upstate.
:Poughkeepsie is Upstate, as is anything north of the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Most people from the city consider Long Island to be upstate. I live on the Upper East Side, that's always what people say. "Upstate" is a way of distinguishing New York City from New York State, not just northern areas from southern areas.
-- I'm a long islander, I've actually never heard anyone refer to it as this in the city or on long island.
::and gues what, I'm from manhattan, and no one here calls it 'the city' so we can call you whatever we want, besides, you are upstate, technically you're at least a mile or two north, so stop arguing over semantics, the real test is, if someone from an inhabitted part of the state got lost in Long Island or (formal)Upstate wilderness, would they be able to tell the difference? No of course not!
:::Long Island is no more part of New York City than are the Adirondack Mountains. Hence, upstate.
::::How can anyone consider Long Island "upstate"? It really doesn't get any more southern in New York than Long Island. Two out of the five boroughs of New York City are on Long Island. It makes no sense for "upstate" to mean simply any part of New York other than New York City. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 16:58, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
*Some people object to being called "upstate" and want others to "feel their pain". It is true that many Metro NY people call even very southernly counties "upstate" - but they also call parts of Manhattan "uptown". I must confess that I know very little about most of the places "up there" - but I have not lived in NY since leaving in 1967. Anyway, it's plain silly to bring this gripe to an encyclopedia - but many people think this is just another place to chat--JimWae 17:13, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)
* Long Island is NOT upstate.  See the article on Upstate New York.
*What does LI have more in common with? Manhattan or Connecticut? It is not culturally New York and is therefore upstate
*I'm from Dyker Heights, in the City. Long Island = Not the City. It is upstate, please stop arguing semantics, people in the city don't know north from south, just "uptown" from "downtown", so how do you expect them to know that LI is *technically* east of the city when they don't even use the concept of directions in their everyday lives? To New Yorkers, it's basically New York City vs. the rest of the world.
* To consider Long Island as upstate is clearly one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen written. I've never heard anyone refer to Long Island as upstate. However, Western Long Islanders (Nassau County), have a tendency to refer to Eastern Long Island (Suffolk County) as "The Boon Docks" or "Booneys" because the further east you travel, the less populated the island becomes and in some parts (way out by the forks), there is even farm land. Now, to say that people in the city don't know the difference between north, south, east and west is insulting to me as a New Yorker. Just because you failed to retain information you should have learned in 4th grade, doesn't give you the right to start assuming that millions of other people never looked at a map. Secondly, I find the term UP and DOWNstate very inaccurate because the directions up and down actually span perpendicular to North South East and West, where up points to the sky and down points to the center of the earth. But somewhere along the line, up became north and down became south and is very accepted this way. But the term UPSTATE is relevant to where you are. To New Yorkers and Long Islanders, upstate (anything north of you) is Westchester. For someone in Niagara Falls, Albany would be considered downstate but for NYers it's obviously upstate. However, people who call less populated, rural areas of NY upstate simply to distinguish themselves from the rest of the state are just arrogant people who need to realize that there's more to this world than their little circle of existance. - CHRIS CALABRESE
:So if you live in Massepequa, then is Great Neck upstate? What about parts of Westchester that are on the same latitude as parts of the Bronx (e.g. Wakefield in the Bronx and Pelham Manor in Westchester) or on the same or lower latitude as parts of Nassau County?
I guess Staten Island is upstate too - it's not citified. Even if a 1,000 people call LI upstate, that does not mean it belongs in an encyclopedia --JimWae 06:55, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
Just because this is not as blatantly non-encyclopedic as some of your other recent additions such as "The term "Long Island" most often refers to a prissy little suburban peninsula east of New York." does not mean it belongs --JimWae 07:23, 2005 July 26 (UTC)
" so how do you expect them to know that LI is *technically* east of the city " I'm assuming you've never looked at a map of the United States in your entire life. I refuse to believe that anyone in New York City, doesn't realize Long Island is east of NYC, regardless of their use of direction. We don't exactly carry compasses on Long Island either, its really just brain dead common sense knowledge.. I mean seriously.
- Makes absolutely no sense to call Long Island upstate, spare Staten Island, it is the southernmost part of the state. The population density is much higher than upstate, as well as commercial development...It makes no logical sense to refer to any area of New York other than the city as Upstate, considering the completely obvious geographic and cultural reasons to the contrary. You'd also have to ignore that the largest portion of NYC is on Long Island, and if you think east of that is some sort of wildnerness..you really haven't been out there.
*Fuckin' A! Finally someone got it right, Maspeth Queens in tha house, i'm right in the backyard of Manhattan, you can see the ESB from my house. From my point of view there might as well not be anything besides Manhattan and Queens, people down here are so provincial that they actually *do* believe that the landscape turns to wilderness when you cross from QUeens to Nassau Co.
:: I've never met anyone upstate or on Long Island who considers Long Island part of upstate.  And, you certainly could tell the difference between being los6t on Long Island and lost upstate--the land is very different.  (As a side note, my experience has been that much of the rest of the country considers the entire NYC metro area to be NYC, because from a distance they seem to have more in common with each other than the rest of the country, but that's neither here nor there for this article.) Janni 16:06, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow! What a rant! Perhaps you should move to New York City while you're waiting for Long Peninsula to become a "continuation" of it. Wizard1022 02:42, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: How, exactly, do you figure that LI is a peninsula? --Rory096 05:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you're using "Long Island" to mean just Nassau and Suffolk, then it is a peninsula. It's only an island if you include Brooklyn and Queens. -Wizard1022 06:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Geographically, everybody knows that Brooklyn and Queens are obviously part of LI.  Nassau and Suffolk is only the entire LI in the socio-political sense.  --Rory096 06:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

text: So 2.6 million (actually 2.75 million) residents make LI more populous than "almost every major city in the country"...yet a city like Philadelphia with 1.5 million residents has only 135 square miles to work with rather than the spacious 1200 square miles of suburban sprawl in Nassau and Suffolk. Your point is irrelevant, you have to take land area into account. Sure Long Island is pretty densely populated compared to most of the rural US, but your assertion just reeks of arrogance. As for the 'Nassau and Suffolk have a higher population than 20 states', did you actually look that up? Wow, you must really have an inferiority complex to the City! So it's 'selfish' to call Long Island 'upstate', but not to call a part of Westchester within walking distance of the Bronx 'upstate'? As for Connecticut, that's the state right across your little sound. It seems like you're the one who flunked geography. As for commuters, people commute to the City from up in the mountains of Orange and Ulster County, yet it might as well be West Virginia up there. And yes, Queens is provincial, it's New York City, what did you expect. I don't think the Archie Bunker types in Maspeth consider themselves to be "Long Islanders" nor have any reason to care about some affluent suburban region they can't afford to live in. Sure most people from Queens probably don't call Long Island 'upstate' per se but to suggest that NYC identifies with LI like LI identifies with NYC is arrogant and out-of-touch.
*Long island the only place in the world that thinks it should be considered both its own state and part of nyc--152.163.100.131 02:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upstate Status 

message: If this category is restricted to people born on Long Island, Theodore Roosevelt should not be included, he was born in NYC, though he made his home at Oyster Bay. Too Old 19:38, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)
Along those lines, how come people I've never even heard of are on this list, but Billy Crystal, who was born in Long Beach, isn't? Obviously this isn't an all-inclusive list, but I think some better choices can be made here. GPHemsley→◊ 03:37, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
*thousands of people belong in this section (especially if Brklyn & Qns are included) - yet nearly 1/2 I've never heard of - many are minor stars of rock. I vote we delete this section as one could NEVER do it justice & will get filled with "fan" selections & vanity links --JimWae 21:55, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)
Have a look at List of famous New Yorkers.  It's divided between 'Native New Yorkers' and 'Other New Yorkers'.  The same thing could be done for a List of famous Long Islanders, though I should think that list should be restricted to just Nassau and Suffolk counties.  For illustration that its possible to have a very very long list of people, see List of Jews.--Pharos 22:53, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  People "from" Long Island 

message: I tried to clean up and clarify the end of the article explaining about the September 11th attacks. I did give September 11th its own subheading, but after some thought I have decided to remove it and just leave it under the history section. If anyone feels that this would be a good idea feel free to make it into its own subheading. Flyerhell 07:26, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  September 11th 

message: I removed this sentence: "Long Island has a tendency to heat waves. During the summer of 2005, Long Island experienced what felt like a month of 90 degree plus weather."
This is false. Does any place in the country that has heatwaves sometimes have a "tendancy to heat waves?" The summer of 2005 was NOTHING compared to the summer of 1999 when the temperature in LI was over 100 for a week or more. Sure there are hot periods, but I have never seen anything showing that LI has more heatwaves statistically than any other place in the country. The water around Long Island helps to moderate the temperature also, keeping the temperature slightly warmer in the winter and slightly cooler in the summer as well. If someone can cite a source with the fact that LI has a tendancy for heatwaves cite the source and put it back into the article, but if not I don't think it should be in the article. Flyerhell 23:49, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Climate 

message: Could anyone here from Long Island tell me why only Long Island has diners, as asserted in the article? Are you people really so provincial that you think everything is unique to your inconsequential little peninsula? What's next, are you going to say Long Islanders eat a substance known as food in order to nourish their bodies and stay alive? Or, Long Islanders engage in an activity known as sleep approximately 8 hours a day? What's the deal? Wizard1022 03:11, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but nobody cares. What is incredible, however, is that NYC is one-quarter the size of Long Peninsula (300 sq mi as opposed to 1200) and yet has more than twice its population. Now that's a population center. Wizard1022 02:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While I, being a typical proud New Yorker, am inclined to agree with this statement, let's be realistic and admit that New York City can overshadow almost any population center, major or not.  At least in this country, anyway (Can anyone say Tokyo?  Now THAT'S a population center).  Regardless, a lot of people live on Long Island, dude, and I think it's quite fair to call it a major population center.  Err, that said, "huge" might be taking things a biiiit too far.  64.131.211.228 04:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

text: The text in the article under "Food" says "Most every town in Nassau County has at least one diner, most of them operating 24/7, where people can meet and eat. Most were established during the 70's, and specialize in hamburgers and sandwiches." I don't think this implies that diners exist only on Long Island or that there is anything unique about Long Island's diners from those that exist elsewhere. That said, the entire statement is inane and idiotic and doesn't add anything to the article. It makes a set of categorical statements that are probably all incorrect, and should probably just be removed. Alansohn 17:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diners 

message: The following statement was removed as it is unsupported and seems questionable:
:According to the National Census Bureau of Statistics, Long Island is considered the "safest place to live" per capita in the United States. 
What is the National Census Bureau of Statistics? Is it the United States Census Bureau, and if so why the awkward construction? Shouldn't there be some sort of as of date or year for this data? How is Long Island defined: is it Nassau and Suffolk only or all four counties? All of these questions seem to require removal of the sentence. Let's reinsert this only if we can find documentation for the information. Alansohn 14:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The crime section is a little better now..However, the section states that "Long Island is patrolled by NYPD, Nassau PD and Suffolk PD"..and gives a crime statistic. Where is this crime statistic from? Nassau? Suffolk? Brooklyn? Queens? or all four? As the article also states, even though Long Island includes Brooklyn and Queens, when people say "Long Island", 9/10 times they mean Nassau and Suffolk...meaning that the NYPD would not be patrolling in those areas. Thoughts? Flyerhell 05:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsupported crime statistic 

message: I'm pretty sure I read in Newsday a few months ago that the average has reached $400,000, but I can't find a source, besides maybe this one.  Can anyone help me get an official website with the information on it?  --Rory096 05:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article linked above refers to sale prices, which may not accurately reflect average home values. We need to have some source to document the statement in the main article. Alansohn 17:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added a reference for the statement, from a Newsday story on the subject. —LrdChaos 21:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Average home prices 

message: Should this really be here?  While yes, two entire boroughs of NYC are physically on LI, we've established many times in here that Long Island is completely different from NYC.  --Rory096 07:05, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:New York City Islands]] 

message: So, where are all those islanders who keep telling us if we could read a map we'd realize they weren't upstate? Because this map puts Suffolk County, north of "Mt. Vernon" which seems to be a bonafide part of upsate ny, you know what they say, if the Latitude and Longitude fits, wear it...--152.163.100.131 02:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Mt. Vernon is Upstate New York?  That's news to this Brooklynite.  Mt. Vernon is south of White Plains, which itself is considered part of the New York metro area and has much much much more in common with the city and its surroundings than with the rest of "Upstate."  Hell, Mt. Vernon even borders the Bronx!  Calling that upstate is like calling Jersey City a part of Central Jersey, which would be patently ridiculous.  64.131.211.228 04:20, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you! Sure "upstate" can be defined as the area north of any arbitrary point, and not necessarily mean the literal northern area of a state, I think the connotation of the term "upstate" (rural, distant, the opposite of NYC) precludes applying it to any area within walking distance of the Bronx, at the VERY least. Personally I think upstate could begin even at some point in Upper Westchester, such as those Connecticut-like exurban areas like North Salem/Purdys, etc. which are substantially north of NYC. User 152.163.100.131: if a bunch of kids were playing football in the field at Mount Saint Michael Academy in the Wakefield section of the Bronx, and the ball flew over the fence into the front yard of a house across the street, they would technically be crossing over the NY city limits into Mt. Vernon to get it. So does that mean they must travel "upstate" to get the ball, considering the point I just made about connotation? If you Long Islanders just *gotta* have a term for NYS north of NYC, if somehow that is any sort of cohesive "region" to you, you should really come up with an alternate term. Wizard1022 02:48, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

text: hmm, that article on Upstate New York describes Upstate as starting north of Poughkeepsie, the outer end of Long Island is at least as far north east, as Poughkeepsie is to the north west, in fact quite a bit further really, "up" is all relatively arbitrary anyway, the "up" seems to imply anything north west of a certian point, saying that it can't apply to something to the north east by the same amount is semantics--152.163.100.131 22:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Been in NY all my life.  There's Westchester--which is NORTH (hence on your way upstate.)  Then it goes into the Bronx... which is South.  further south is MAnhattan Island.  EAST of Mahattan Island is Long Island--where Brooklyn and Queens begins.  Technically Long Island jets out due east of new york city and is not upstate as some of you said. SyossetMan 00:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's based on perception. Most Long Islanders, I'd argue, consider anything north of the Bronx "upstate." Is it accurate? Not necessarily, at least until there's a set-in-stone definition of "upstate." As far as parts of LI being further north than Westchester: while geographically true, Long Islanders focus more on the east-west specifics (particularly because the Island is much wider than tall). As an analogy, take Hawaii. The state is the southernmost and the westernmost state in the country, but no one considers it part of the "West" or "South," nor do most people consider Alaska "North" in the way your typical northern states are. Anthony71 17:44, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: And this is part of what gives Long Islanders a bad name. The whole 'anything above the Bronx is upstate' attitude is dumbfoundingly ignorant, not to mention quite disrespectful as we all know that 'upstate' doesn't exactly have a real positive connotation, at least in the way that people in the New York metro area use it. This is because it is used to mean the "antithesis" of New York City, i.e. dowdy, rural, hickish, far from the city, outside its sphere of influence etc. Considering that the Bronx used to be part of Westchester County and that the county is literally 2 miles from Manhattan at the closest point of each (Marble Hill to southwest Yonkers - 35 blocks apart on Broadway), most Westchester residents don't appreciate people from Long Island insisting on calling them a derogatory term, considering that Westchester and New York City are close and culturally/historically related. This is especially irritating when someone from Suffolk County (not even Nassau!) just *has* to call cities in Westchester that literally BORDER THE BRONX "upstate." While these Long Islanders are full aware that "upstate" implies distance from the city and rural character, they for some reason just still have to include urban Yonkers and Mount Vernon in this region. Please consider everything I just said and next time you use the term "upstate", can you please not start it until at least the Tappan Zee Bridge? It might help you make a couple friends you wouldn't have otherwise made.-EJ220 01:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't this whole arguement rather silly? Is a difference in terminology REALLY something that is giving Long Islanders a bad name? Seriously now, this is getting ridiculous, at best. RSimione 16:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long island is north of most of westchester, and at least 2 other counties north of the city 

message: I've found several sites that cite the population of Long Island as 2.65 million, not the 7.4 million the article's first paragraph says.  . Is the higher figure a misprint? --67.182.211.191 21:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I couldn't find the numbers you were mentioning at either link, but see the Demography section of the article, which explains that "As of the United States 2000 Census, the total population of all four counties of Long Island was 7,448,618. New York City's portion of the census was 4,694,705, with Brooklyn's population at 2,465,326 and Queens having 2,229,379 residents. The combined population of Nassau and Suffolk counties was 2,753,913 people. It was the first census in which the population of the larger, less densely populated Suffolk County (1,419,369) surpassed that of Nassau County (1,334,544)." Alansohn 21:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Population 

message: This is an interesting section that could use a little expansion. I do not agree with the statement that Nassau County includes mostly city commuters while Suffolk is inhabited primarily by professionals. Having lived in both Nassau and Suffolk, I'd like to point out that both areas are equally self-sustaining and both areas have equal avenues of employment for professionals. There are plenty of hospitals, schools, dentistry units, etc in Nassau and universities as well (see: Hofstra). Nassau is very much like Baltimore County, Maryland, another place I’ve lived with similar characteristics. While Baltimore houses commuters to its local metros of Washington and Baltimore (Baltimore County is Not Baltimore City), more than half are employed inside the county they live in. Now as for Suffolk, I’m surprised that no one has already pointed out that although it is difficult to commute daily from Greenport, thousands of people travel from Suffolk County to NYC every day on the Long Island Rail Road. In fact it’s the country’s most patronized commuter railroad.  Commute times are generally one and a half hours or less (about an hour from Deer Park). Two hours or less would be considered a reasonable commute time for most city workers. I do not wish to argue that either county is more typically a commuter county, I merely wish to argue that both counties are probably equals with Nassau having only slightly more commuters per capita. Heck, you’d have to work in NYC to buy property there at today’s prices. Perhaps there are figures from LIRR that can help our points. In the meantime I suggest developing the technoburb wiki if that is the proper term. GavinSimmons 00:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suburbia or Something Else 

message: I took a college course on Long Island history here on Long Island, and although I did learn of this term, I am pretty sure it does not mean 'fish shaped island'. Specifically, it means 'The Island that Pays Tribute' - Although I can't remember enough details basically, surrounding indian tribes were jealous of the resources of long island and were much more warlike than the long island indians. They would have the long island indians pay tribute to them in order to prevent them from attacking long island. So I am going to change this, as I was taught by perhaps one of the most well-knowledged professors on the subject and a true long island historian. A source for this would be very useful but as we even learned in class, there literally is no text-book on long island history. I'm going to change this slightly in the article and I hope anyone with better information or sources can help out. Once again, I would not do this unless I were absolutely sure of the actual meaning of Paumonauk. In addition, I am changing the spelling to one used by Walt Whitman - Paumanok.
*Apparently there is a dispute over the meaning - and many spellings --JimWae 02:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meaning of Paumonauk 

message: I had a friend across the border on Ryder Road.  In the Munsey Park playground, he said he was from Ryder Road.  MP has no high school, so in Manhasset High school he was from Munsey Park.  When we went to the movies in Great Neck or the beach in Manorhaven, we were both from Manhasset.  In the Hamptons, we were from Nassau County.  In Brooklyn, from "The Island".  In New Jersey, from Long Island.  In Detroit, from New York.  In Wyoming, from "back east."  If we were ever in some hick town in eastern Peru or northern Burma, we would probably be from "America" and if they never heard of that, then from "far across the sea" and if they never heard of the sea, then simply from "far away."  Where you're from depends on where you're at and whom you're talking to.  Long Islanders hundreds of miles from home are New Yorkers and no need to be ashamed either way, or to explain to strangers the complexity of whether Munsey Park is part of Manhasset or not.  
Jim.henderson 04:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Depends on where you're at 

message: Lindsay Lohan comes from Long Island, right?
*Yes. From Merrick, I believe. -Kevin F. Story 20:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maybe a stupid question 

message: "Nassau County is ... the fifth richest in the United States."  But the "fifth richest" text links to a page where Nassau is #30 on the list.  I haven't changed this, I don't know which is correct. Tom239 21:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Most state articles do have such information, and since such groups are an important part of LI's diversity, I think they should be included. I thought there was basic Census info on self-identification.  Newspapers have probably done extensive articles as well on this topic.--Parkwells (talk) 16:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Demography 

message: This sections lists two people that I'm sure most Long Islanders have never heard of. Should this section be removed, considering there's already a List_of_famous_Long_Islanders? Anthony71 15:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Noteworthy People" 

message: The article states in the first paragraph that "The Native American name for Long Island is Paumanok." Native American, however, is not a language. It's a rather superficial groupng of people who speak thousands on different languages (see the article on Indigenous languages of the Americas). Which tribe called Long Island Paumanok? And what was the name of the language they spoke? Absolutadam802 20:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Native American Name 

message: Not sure how many editors have this page on their watch list, but a recent DYK entry from List of islands of the United States by area prompted someone to notice  that while both that article and List of islands by area have Long Island listed as being 1,401 square miles in area, the Long Island article itself states it is 3,567 square miles.  Reviewing the edit history on the Long Island article shows an embarrassing chain of mistakes going back 59 days:
* On 8/30 an anonymous user changed  the area from "1,377" to "10,3777" square miles.
* The next day an editor removed  one of the two extra numbers, leaving the article to state "10,377" sq mi.
* On 9/6 an anonymous editor noticed that the mi² number (10,377) was larger than the km² (3567), and switched them  without first checking the math.  (One may wish to note that 3567 mi² = 9238 km², while 10,377 mi² = 26,880 km².)
Some external fact-checking found that Encyclopædia Britannica states  Long Island, "is 118 mi (190 km) long, 12–23 mi (19–37 km) wide, and has an area of 1,401 sq mi (3,629 sq km)."  Using this information, I updated the numbers and added citations to both List of islands of the United States by area and Long Island.  --Kralizec! (talk) 18:45, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect info was added 59 days ago 

message: Since there are now a lot of subarticles, I've created a navbox for the Long Island articles.  Let me know what you think.  (The redlinks are currently proposed splits.)  Antony-22 (talk) 21:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks great, nice work! – ClockworkSoul 18:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Island navbox 

message: How come there is no mention of the segregation issues that affect the schooling, and housing on long island because it is a significant issue?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.180.183 (talk) 23:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You're welcome to add verified information yourself. MrVibrating (talk) 16:25, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

text: I saw those gaps, too, as well as references to earlier, long African American history on LI - in rural and town areas.  I've added that African Americans were an integral part of LI since before the Revolution, and made a few other notes in this and History of Long Island articles. I had worked on Slavery in NY article, too, which has material that can apply here - not that there was only slavery.  Newsday ran a good series about African-American history on LI a few years ago, which has much material, including about residential and school segregation, and events since 1960s.--Parkwells (talk) 16:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Segregation Issues 

message: Per the quick fail criteria - numerous issues.
* in the Long Island in popular culture section
*Nowhere near enough referencing
*Lists (where there should be prose) in the Education section
Feel free to renominate when the article is closer to the GA criteria. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:03, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GAN quick failed 

message: Apparently if one is looking for "New York Island" in Wikipedia one is currently being redirected to "Long Island". Why is that? 
According to numerous history books (1776 by David McCullough comes to mind) the name "New York Island" was never used for Long Island but instead was used for what is known today as Manhattan. In the book I mentioned there is even an historic Map showing the names. Because of this I would suggest the redirection link to be changed to Manhattan instead of Long Island. Hadoriel (talk) 13:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the change. Next time, you can easily make that kind of change yourself. :) – ClockworkSoul 14:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New York Island 

message: Just had a quick glance at this section. Didn't have time to look at anything else, but before I got past the first paragraph I found several things that needed to be changed.
--I got rid of the part that says Nassau and Suffolk have "long been renowned for their affluence." Definitely a bit over the top, considering Long Island's reputation isn't always that great (and yes, the statement in the article was referring to reputation, not the mere fact that much of the Island is wealthy, which is indisputable).
--Also canned the part about wealth being handed down from one generation to the next over time. Hello? Where doesn't this happen? Unless there's some source that shows an unusual amount of hereditary wealth on L.I., this has no place here.
--"High standard of living"--this is an odd term to use considering the variety of household incomes in such a large place as LI. Anyway, it's enough to say that there's a high median/mean/whatever income. What is standard of living? Usually that connotes more basic differences in lifestyles that are used to compare different countries, not different parts of the U.S. It's just not precise. 
I just hope the rest of the article doesn't read like this. It just reeks of POV.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.47.102 (talk) 09:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Economy Section 

message: It's fairly obvious that "Long Island" refers to two different things: the island itself, and the cultural construct of Nassau and Suffolk counties, which together are called "Long Island". No one today from Brooklyn or Queens refers to themselves as being "from Long Island", as far as I know. It's a relationship like the one between the Dominican Republic and the island of Hispaniola, and only the fact that they have the same name confuses the issue. This ambiguity carries its way into the article, which is clearly heavy on information about Nassau and Suffolk counties, even though Brooklyn and Queens have their own substantial history, politics, culture etc.; here they're an afterthought, because it's understood that they don't really belong in the article. Maybe it's time to split up this article to avoid this issue? I'm imagining keeping the main "Long Island" article on the cultural construct (what people talk about when they say they live in/on Long Island), and move the information about the entire island to an article called Long Island (New York island). Any thoughts? Korny O'Near (talk) 21:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about geographical Long Island, it's history and ALL the geographically and culturally separate parts of it. It doesn't matter if someone from Brooklyn or Queens is too ignorant to inquire about where they live. Is an Arab person from Egypt who was born there and still lives there not African because they don't think of themselves that way because of what is stereotypically African? Brooklyn (Kings), Queens, Nassau, and Suffolk counties are all apart of the island; so the article should remain the same (all of these things have their own articles BTW). If you feel there's unfair representation and distribution of facts, add things, cite things... Splitting the article is extremely unnecessary. Also, ever hear of Long Island City, Queens and Long Island University in Brooklyn? --IdLoveOne (talk) 04:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split up the article? 

message: I can't find any good sources to claim this nickname for LI.--otherlleft (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed - I've never, ever heard it used and I lived on Long Island for ~19 years.  Antony-22 (talk) 05:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Strong Island 

message: From what I can tell, the only ferry to Rhode Island is to Block Island - and getting to the mainland requires another ferry. Furthermore, the ferry from (LI to Block Island, RI) seems to run only in the summer. Additionally, ferries to RI do NOT cross LI Sound.  I do not see the need to include RI in the lede --JimWae (talk) 20:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suffolk County Ferries 

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message: I've seen this many times (& indeed it can be sourced)  - but there are at least 2 problems with it:
# http://www.co.suffolk.ny.us/Home/departments/CountyExec/Pages/Suffolk%20County%20History.aspx says "At Suffolk County's widest point the distance from Long Island Sound to the southern shore is 26 miles." That would make LI wider than above. Eatons Neck to Fire Island  is 24 miles acc to Google Earth - but that includes a lot of Great South Bay.  WHERE is the widest point? ... and is it across water?
# WHERE is the narrowest part? If it is at Montauk Point, Orient Pt, or even Ft. Hamilton (Brklyn) the narrowest part could be much less than 1 metre. Flushing Bay to Jamaica Bay is less than 8 miles.
I propose removing any mention of the "narrowest width"  --JimWae (talk) 19:39, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  varies in width from 12 to 23 miles (19 to 37 km) 

message: I removed a lot of the links in this section because I felt they were getting out of hand and were not necessary anyways. The criteria for inclusion apparently was anything on Long Island, but it should be a little more narrow than that. Are there any links I removed from the section that shouldn't have? I merely commented them out so they'll be easy to re-insert, but if you don't mind I'd like an explanation before re-adding them. ~EdGl ★ 13:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  See also section 

message: The next to last para in Transportation paints a nice picture of the east end, but it seems to me I've heard any number of people over the years saying that Montauk and Sunrise Highways become a jammed-up nightmare in the summer if you're trying to get anywhere near the Hamptons--and maybe this section could be revised a little by someone with personal experience?  Cryptonymius 07:20, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have to agree. Anyone who is in the Hamptons in the summer would as well.Philbaaker 22:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes the main roads in the Hamptons become exceptionally crowded but, the Hamptons represent only a portion of the East End. The East End also includes the North Fork and Shelter Island. Despite this, I have to agree that the Hamptons are a nightmare on weekends during the summer season. 24.188.207.20 (talk) 02:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Far removed from the hustle and bustle of suburbia? 

message: Both are used throughout the article, which is inconsistent... F15x28 (talk) 00:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's an interesting thing about Long Island. People from elsewhere will typically say "in Long Island" while most long term and native residents will say "on Long Island". I would suggest that "on Long Island" is correct as people live "on" an island, not "in" an island. To support this, I could provide many, many sources but the funniest would be Gilligans Island. 24.188.207.20 (talk) 02:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text: I agree with the anon, and concur that the correct term is the one that agrees with grammar and the residents.  Don't know if it's contentious enough to need a source or not!--otherlleft 03:17, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

text: This  source says you live "on" an island unless its a very large island (like Ireland).--Neighborhoodpalmreader (talk) 17:28, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a good enough reason to make it "on" unless there are sources which indicate that Long Islanders or others who do the opposite.  My personal recollection is that "in Long Island" was an error made by out-of-towners, but I'm not exactly reliable.  In summary:  if you think it should be "in" you should probably provide a source to back yourself up!--otherlleft 17:34, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Long Island is not a political entity, Ireland is (though it has 2) and does not have "island" as part of its name. The only occurrence in the present version of the article of "in Long Island" is followed by "Sound" --JimWae (talk) 20:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  "In Long Island" or "On Long Island"? 

message: N.Y.Times article may 5th Pt D-1,William Braod Details the battle to save the Stanford White(His last builidng!) designed laboratory of invnetor Nikolla tesla91856-1943) Developers want to tear it down! Tesla wanted in 1901 to send Free Elcetrical power by a tranmittyer from this Wardencyllfee,Long Island,(Now Shore L.I.) site!THEEDSON1 (talk) 20:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Considering the importance of this, I would recommend adding a link to the Tesla article by means of mention. 24.188.207.20 (talk) 02:57, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  See Shoreham L.I. trying to save Tesla labsite.No mention in article! 

message: In the article header it states that there are 9 bridges and 13 tunnels from Long Island to the other three boroughs of NYC. How is this true? I count 8 bridges, plus the one to Riker's Island, so nine bridges is okay. But 13 tunnels? I count two - the Queens-Midtown and the Brooklyn Battery. Where are the other 11 tunnels? Just wanted to make sure I am not missing something obvious before I change it. Kgdickey (talk) 16:59, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  How are there 13 tunnels? 

message: Based on this map at Google Maps ([]), it seems that there is a canal a bit northeast of Hampton Bays. Google, unfortunately, does not label it, so I don't even have a name to look up. The point is, that it appears that Shinnecock Hills to Montauk is actually on a separate island, because of this canal. This kind of thing certainly deserve a mention at North America - Long Island deserves a mention, too. Dondegroovily (talk) 22:56, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: That would be the Shinnecock Canal, which is artificial and isn't considered to split the island into two islands.  Antony–22 (talk/contribs) 18:22, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two Islands 

message: There are some nice photos in the gallery - BUT do they reflect Long Island? Many of them could have been taken anywhere in the world that has a shore-line. The impression one is left with is that practically the entire island is a beach & boating resort - this is completely misleading. The photos need to be replaced or discarded--JimWae (talk) 21:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: A few seaside photos would be OK, but it's too much right now. Not only that, there are way too many images in the whole article, and that's not including the gallery. The "Long Island Attractions" section also screams of promotion. That section would be better off disbanded and incorporated into the other sections. Tinlinkin (talk) 22:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

text: Kings County shares the same boundaries as the borough of Brooklyn, New York, and is located on the western end of Long Island. Yours, Wordreader (talk) 01:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo gallery 

message: I have no idea how Wikipedia does this,
but, it seems to me that the length and width are backwards.
I consider width to be from east to west,
and length or height from north to south. Skaizun (talk) 03:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Width vs Length 

message: Even though Brooklyn (Kings) and Queens counties are part of the physical Long Island, when one refers to "Long Island," as in, "where are you from?" and "where are you going?" today, one is usually talking only about Nassau and Suffolk Counties, i.e., Long Island as a community. This wasn't always true (e.g., Long Island City which is in Queens, Long Island University founded in Brooklyn, etc.). This is largely due to the fact that in 1898, when Brooklyn and Queens signed the charter to become part of New York City, the 3 easternmost towns of Queens (Hempstead, North Hempstead, Oyster Bay) seceded from the county to form Nassau County (many accounts claim they were "kicked" out, but it's not 100% true ... it mainly had to do with taxes, and the fact that Queens wanted to move the County Court House to either Jamaica or Long Island City from Mineola.) 
Whatever the reason, it did happen, and this drew a line of delineation that forever separated the 2 eastern counties from New York City, both legally, mentally, symbolically and territorially. People who live in Queens and Brooklyn have always thought of themselves as being closely related to New York county (what you call "Manhattan"), and this has been so for at least 200 years. Still, when someone either from Queens or Brooklyn (and sometimes, Nassau) says, "we're going into the city," they are referring to the island of Manhattan. This goes the other way too, whereas Long Islanders do not consider Brooklyn and Queens as part of Long Island, nor do folks in Brooklyn and Queens consider themselves as "Long Islanders." 
As stated in, "The Creation of Nassau County," by J. Edward Smits, Brooklyn and Queens were more "sympathetic" to each other, as were the 3 above-stated towns, with the addition of the Town of Huntington. This isolates Nassau and Suffolk because not only are they NOT part of it (nor do they want to be), but because the terrain and layout is completely different. They have their own reality. It's a different mindset. Crossing over the county line brings on a wide range of variables ... everything from road and street name changes to different laws, taxes, to a changes in jurisdiction, albeit sometimes vague ones.
I live here and I also took the Nassau County History course at Nassau Community College. And I mentioned my sources above. But if you insist, here you go:  Pookerella(talk) 03:11, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: This article it about island called Long Island, not the entity consisting of the island's eastern counties, which is also called Long "Island". If this entity would warrant it's own article, feel free to make one. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:50, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Long Island as an Entity 

message: Mariah Carey could also be mentioned in the music section as a local artist.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.178.178 (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Music 

message: 26th highest median household incomes in the nation. Kelly0987 (talk) 03:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correction 

message: I have added a weather box to the climate section, and the data comes from the NWS station at Islip Macarthur Airport. To justify this addition, note that Long Island has a relatively small area and the weather/climate is more-or-less uniform over the entire island, so the data from just this one central location should be representative of the climate over the whole island (with the possible exception of a few small regions such as the pine barrens). If you feel that this weather box is not conducive to educating the public about Long Island climate then feel free to remove it, but at least state a reason below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.94.117 (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weather Box 

message: Is there anything to the theory that Long Island was created as a hurricane shield for the state of Connecticut? 65.79.173.135 (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theory