Talk:National Abortion Federation

message: Nobody's even joining in on the discussion about how to get a balanced article up about NAF. I believe it's futile to put anything negative about NAF in the article because it will just be summarily nuked. But nobody's even proposing an alternative. These scandals resulted in changes within NAF, from a "Standards of Care" model to a "Clinical Guidelines" model, and NAF added -- at least to their web site -- on-site inspections, something they'd not claimed to do prior to the ab/mal scandal and the Lime 5 allegations.
I'm willing to hammer this out but I seem to be a voice in the wilderness here. ChristinaDunigan 14:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How are we going to flesh this out? 

message: The issue here is that NAF is not merely an educational and advocacy organization. They assert that their members are required, as a requirement of membership, to adhere to certain standards. Callers to their hotline and visitors to their web site are assured that NAF membership assures high standards of care. "In order to become a member, a clinic must complete a rigorous application process. Member clinics have agreed to comply with our standards for quality and care, updated annually in our Clinical Policy Guidelines, which set the evidence-based standards for abortion care in North America. NAF periodically conducts site visits to confirm that our clinics are in compliance with our guidelines." This is why the actions of particular members are so relevant. Imagine, for example, if UL-approved electric appliances were bursting into flame and causing fatal house fires. Would that be dismissed as a matter that's relevant only to the manufacturer? I think not. I think that this would be appropriate for the article on Underwriters Laboratories because of how they present themselves to the public. For the woman seeking abortion, a provider's NAF membership is the equivalent of the UL label on an electric appliance. NAF membership is presented to the public as proof that this entity has been tested and found safe. ChristinaDunigan 22:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is still a matter of citation and OR. You need verifiable sources that point the finger at NAF in regards to these malpractice and wrongful death issues. Don't wrongful death/wrongful abortion and malpractice issues end up going to court or being settled? Do you have any evidence of a court finding wrong doing on behalf of NAF? Do you have any evidence of NAF settling one of these issues out of court? DO you have any evidence of NAF being involved what so ever in any legal troubles? These are the sort of things that can be verified and encyclopedic. A single political advocate claiming things in a self-published book does not meet WP:V nor WP:RS. Even if you personally witnessed a NAF certification process of an unsafe clinic, it cannot be published here without violating WP:OR unless there is a proper citation to back it up. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, it isn't tabloid journalism, it isn't a blog, it isn't a place to air political views, or to have a debate, it isn't a place to publish something for the first time, etc. These policies may prevent some information that someone feels is relevent from getting in articles, but in the long run it helps to keep things encyclopedic, and holds articles up to a high standard. --Andrew c 22:49, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The Orlando Sentinel and the Florida Medical License information are both reliable sources. Unfortunately, neither one mentions NAF. If there was an article on the Florida Department of Health, would we put up information on all the doctors who lost their licenses? The Orlando Sentinel does not claim it is the DoH's fault that the doctors did these things, and the Orlando Sentinel does not claim it is NAFs fault that the doctors did these things. Therefore, we have no verifiable sources that NAF or DoH is responsible for the actions of these doctors, and therefore these cases do not belong in either article. The original news stores are reliable sources, that isn't the issues. The assumptions and accusations you bring are the original research part. You are drawing conclusions and interpreting the data in ways that are not supported by your sources. I mean, how can you honestly think you are citing verifiable, reliable information about the NAF when the articles you cite don't even mention the NAF. Like I said, it seems like if there really was these systemic issues that NAF is so grossly irresponsible, that there would be a paper trail of lawsuits against them, no? So where is this paper trail? All you have is guilt by association (and as I tried to demonstrate with my ADA, AMA, DMV, and DoH comparisons, it just doesn't work like that. We need more to go on before we put this original research into wikipedia).--Andrew c 02:21, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

text: And because I've been thinking about this, here is another comparison. Go to the NRA article. Consider adding info on every single hunting accident that has occured by a card carrying NRA member (including Dick Cheney's). Now ask yourself, does that sort of thing belong in an article about the NRA? Surely, it pushes the extreme gun control POV that guns are not safe. And guilt by association 'proves' that the NRA is responsible for the fact that all of the hunters behind the trigger were NRA members, right? I think its clear that sort of thing doesn't belong here, and for almost identical reasons, I cannot fathom why these edits belong in the NAF article.--Andrew c 04:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm in complete agreement with Andrew c. The central issue herein is the direct relevance of this information to an article about the NAF, which, given Andrew's ADA/AMA/etc. comparision, is questionable. You cannot manufacture controversy as an excuse to shoehorn something in when it doesn't fit. Wikipedia is an encylopaedia, and, thus, isn't intended to function as a blog or pamphlet. Try Abortion debate or Abortion in the United States instead. -Severa (!!!) 15:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Hope Clinic, Abu Hayat, etc. have to do with NAF in general 

message: Some folks here seem to be of the opinion that I am just picking on NAF.
First, let's look again at what NAF tells the public:
"In order to become a member, a clinic must complete a rigorous application process. Member clinics have agreed to comply with our standards for quality and care, updated annually in our Clinical Policy Guidelines, which set the evidence-based standards for abortion care in North America. NAF periodically conducts site visits to confirm that our clinics are in compliance with our guidelines."
Let's see what facilities can get away with and still be NAF members, still be considered worthy of the NAF seal of approval, assuring the public that they have been tested and found safe:
1. After the death of Gloria Aponte, state inspectors found that NAF member Hanan Rotem had been allowing his receptionist, a woman with no medical training, to administer general anesthesia.Associated Press 11/22/89
2. I mentioned in the article that a 13-year-old girl had died of a massive Brevital overdose at a NAF facility. I did not mention that Michael Burnhill, then Medical Director of Planned Parenthood Federation of America, had told the doctor, Steve Lichtenberg, that he was playing Russian roulette with patients' lives when Lichtenberg boasted at a NAF event of the risky abortions he attempted on an outpatient basis. Nor did I mention that despite Deanna's death and despite Burnhill's low opinion of the man, Lichtenberg not only remains a NAF member, he is a frequent presenter at NAF Risk Managemten Seminars. I did not mention that Deanna was administered at least 250 mg Brevital, when sufficient dose for an adult would be 70 mg., and that Deanna had been given 400 mg Brevital for anesthesia during laminaria removal procedure the previous day. Brevitol is not approved for pediatric use. Deanna, at age 13, would be a pediatric patient. Deanna was noted as being discharged to the recovery room at 7:51, and was rated 9 favorable points of possible 14 for normal color, respiration, etc. But her pulse was 130-135, per Lichtenberg's Clinical Summary written after Deanna's death. Deanna was noted by monitors as lacking vitals at 7:53. The first resuscitative efforts were documented at 8:51, although Lichtenberg's Clinical Summary written after Deanna's death indicated that resuscitative efforts made for the 1-hour period. No record of pupil dilation response was noted in the recovery room record, and "no effort was made to transport the patient to a more fully-equipped facility" during the hour they reported attempts to resuscitate her. The suit filed by Deanna's family also stated that the facility lacked any protocol for dealing with cardiac-respiratory arrest. Lichtenberg also noted, "Prior to the removal of the body from the premises a total of 18 family members congregated in the clinic and were addressed by our clinic manager ... who was with me during my initial presentation to the patient's mother and sister." Although the clinic told family and the press that the probable cause of death was amniotic fluid embolism, the autopsy showed that "Histologic studies showed no microscopic evidence of amniotic fluid embolism." In other words, Lichtenberg lied to the girl's family about the cause of her death. A report sent to the hospital that had referred Deanna read, "Date of service 9-5-92, Uneventful D&C, Thank you!" signed by Lichtenberg. Uneventful.Cook County Circuit Court Case No. 94L05372; Chicago Tribune 9-6-92, 5-5-94; Chicago Sun-Times 9-6-92, 9-7-92; Southtown Economist 9-8-92; Daily Herald 9-6-92; The Wanderer 8-18-94; Daily Herald 9-7-92; Washington Times 6-4-94
3. NAF member Robert Crist has three patient deaths that I know of. One, Nichole Williams, does appear to just be one of those things, a forseeable but not always treatable complication."Abortion-Related Death Spurs Activists Pleas," St. Louis Post-Dispatch April 27, 1997; "WomanÂ’s Death After Abortion Under Scrutiny," Louis Post-Dispatch April 29, 1997; "Abortion Doctor Much Despised, Much Praised," Louis Post-Dispatch April 29, 1997; "Drug Was Fatal In Â’88 Abortion," Louis Post-Dispatch April 30, 1997; "Woman dies following abortion at St. Louis clinic," Associated Press April 1997; "Death is third connected with abortion doctor," Associated Press 1997; "State Reports - Missouri I: Physician Cleared in Abortion Death," Kaiser Daily Reports June 13, 1997
 The other deaths are less innocent. According to suits later filed by Diane's mother, RHS staff and abortionist Robert Crist did not check for possible drug interactions before giving Diane Boyd valium and sublimaze. These drugs evidently reacted with Diane's usual medication, thorazine, causing her to stop breathing. Diane's mother said that the clinic lacked heart monitoring equipment or resuscitation equipment.St. Louis City Circuit Court Case 812-11077 Latachie was 17 years old, and 22 weeks pregnant, when Crist performed an abortion on her at Houston's West Loop Clinic. According to Latachie's family, she bled heavily at the clinic, and cried out to the staff for help. They told her that her symptoms were normal, and sent her home. Several hours later, Latachie stopped breathing. Her brother-in-law called 911 while her sister did CPR, to no avail. Latachie was dead on arrival at Ben Taub Hospital. Despite claims that they report such things, the Centers for Disease Control counted no abortion deaths among women of Latachie's race and age range for 1991.Houston Chronicle 11-3-91, 11-6-91, 11-11-91; Kansas City Star 11-6-91; Springfield News-Leader 11-24-91; Houston Post 11-7-91, 11-12-91; Washington Times 11-21-91; CDC Abortion Surveillance 1991; National Abortion Federation Risk Management Seminar tape 1992
4. I only mentioned that Family Planning Associates Medical Group had ten abortion deaths that have been verified, and that one of them was a woman who had died in the cluster of RU-486 deaths in southern California. I didn't even scratch the surface of the other deaths. Patricia Chacon bled to death while left unattended.LA County Coroner Report No. 84-2948; Daily Breeze 3/2/85; Los Angeles Herald Examiner 3/3/85
/ref> Denise Holmes you can kind of give them a pass on; she died of an amniotic fluid embolism and though it's a known risk it is tough to treat.<ref>L.A. County Coroner's Report, No. 70-13367 Mary Pena's body was rushed through the morgue without an autopsy; only an alert vital records clerk caught irregularities on the death certificate and an autopsy was ordered and it was found out that she had bled to death from a massive unsutured cervical laceration.Case No. 84-16016, Press-Telegram July 14-22 1985; LA County Coroner Case No. 84-16016; "Abortion held safe, but not for these 2 women," Press-Telegram, July 14-22 1985 FPA physicians failed to diagnose Josefina Garcia's ectopic pregnancy and instead performed an abortion procedure as though she had a uterine pregnancy; she was left unattended in the recovery room where she bled to death.Press-Telegram 4-25-88; California Death Certificate No. 85-106566 Laniece Dorsey lapsed into a coma and died after going into cardio-respiratory arrest during general anesthesia for her abortion.Orange County Sheriff-Coroner Case No. 86-0682-AK and Orange County Superior Court Case No. 51-04-15 Joyce Ortenzio was discharged after her abortion, told all was well, then was later found dead in her home due to an overdose of the drug amitriptyline, infection from fetal parts that were not removed during the abortion, and septic shock.Los Angeles County (CA) Superior Court Case No. WEC139590; California Death Certificate No. 88-127625 Tami Suematsu, who had a history of asthma, had an asthma attack in the facility after surgery, went into cardiac arrest, and died.Riverside County (CA) Death Certificate No. 38833005990; Riverside County (CA) Autopsy File No. 64442; State of California Certificate of Death # 149559 Susan Levy was discharged with retained tissue, and was found dead of infection in the car she was living in.California Death Certificate No. 92-121785; Los Angeles County (CA) Autopsy Report No. 92-04539 Deanna Bell I went into at length above. Christine Mora's abortion was rushed through in a mere three minutes, resulting in a cervical laceration that allowed the amniotic fluid embolism that killed her.California Certificate of Death # 94-180853, Orange County Coroner's Report # 94-06863-AB Kimberly Neil's family asserts that FPA failed to promptly and properly treat her respiratory arrest, allowing her to die.“Fresno doctor is sued in death,” Fresno Bee, August 18, 2001. 
5. I mentioned the death of Barbaralee Davis, the first known NAF death, and how she was sent home, weak and unable to walk unaided, to bleed to death from an undiagnosed uterine tear with fetal parts lodged in it. I didn't mention that though Barbaralee was kept two extra hours for observation, they last charted her vitals 45 minutes after the abortion, which meant that they didn't even check her vitals before they sent her home. Even the CDC's investigators noted that when discharged, Barbaralee was showing symptoms "suggestive of internal hemorrhage." I didn't mention how Barbaralee's sister had helped her to bed, called the ambulance when she found her unresponsive, how she was rushed to the hospital and an emergency hysterectomy was performed. How she left a small child motherless. The medical examiner noted: "A very large retroperitoneal hematoma is present with dissection of blood along right ureter. A 4 mc. tear is noted on the right anterior surface of the lower third of the uterus and a large amount of blood, estimated at 2000 ccs. is present in the pelvis. Two fetal parts, the face and thoracic spinal column, are embedded in a 700 cc. fresh hematoma inside the uterus." Even though the state of Illinois at the time had a 12-week limit on outpatient abortions, the fetal parts left in Barbaralee's uterus were consistent with a 16-week pregnancy."$1 million abortion suit in teen's death," Chicago Tribune, August 31, 1977, p. 1:6; Perry County (IL) Coroner's Report 6/20/77; "Abortion Clinic Sued In Death," St. Louis Post-Dispatch, June 15, 1979, 3A; CDC Abortion Surveillance Annual Summary 1977, p. 10-12
6. The NAF facility where Tamika Dowdy died was already in trouble with the state for an incident involving a perforated uterus.New York Post Dec. 6/98
7. I won't go into the huge controversy surrounding the death of Christin Gilbert at a NAF facility other than to note that event though Christin was in full cardio-respiratory arrest at the facility, when staff called 911, according to EMS records, "The caller is with the patient. She does not have chest pain. She is completely awake (alert). She has not fainted. She has pain above the belly button (navel)." Thus vital information was withheld from EMS services.
8. Easter Women's Center has three deaths that I know of. The suit filed by survivors of Dawn Mack asserted that Eastern's staff failed to adequately respond to "the precipitous drop in Plaintiff's blood pressure, cardiac arrhythmia leading to cardiac arrest and cessation of respiration." Dawn's family faulted Eastern with carelessness in hiring staff, negligent supervising of staff, lack of emergency protocol and staff skilled in treating emergencies, lack of adequate equipment, failure to maintain equipment appropriately, failure to administer timely and properly dosed medications, failure to convey to Dawn the risks of anesthesia, failure to adequately evaluate Dawn's condition via exam and medical history prior to anesthesia, failure to allow sufficient time to administer anesthesia and perform the abortion in a safe and careful manner, inadequate staff training, failure to adequately monitor anesthesia, failure to accurately chart and record observations and responses, and failure to anticipate potential complications. The suit further contended that "no reasonable person would have undergone the procedures which were performed upon the decedent plaintiff if the level of skills and ability of staff and other medical personnel, together with the amount, kind and condition of equipment on the premises had been disclosed to decedent plaintiff."New York County Supreme Court Index No. 104592/93 Dawn Ravenelle's abortion as performed (legally, I'll admit) without her parents' knowledge, despite the fact that she as only 13 years old and the abortion was being paid for with a credit card borrowed by her 15-year-old boyfriend's family member. During the abortion Dawn began to revive and choke. The doctor put a breathing tube in her and left her unatteneded. She lapsed into a coma from which she never recovered.New York Post, 12-11-90 Venus Ortiz went into respiratory arrest during her abortion. The suit filed by her family alleged that there was negligence in administering anesthesia to Venus, and failure to establish an airway. Brevital, fentanyl, and midazolam were administered in dosages and manners contrary to standards of practice, causing Venus to suffer a synergistic reaction. Venus languished in a coma for years before her death.New York County Supreme Court Index No. 112763/93; Social Security Death Index These three deaths are far from the only mishaps and problems at Eastern. Just a few of them include a 28-year-old patient who alleged that she was released from Eastern and later was discovered to have multiple uterine perforations and had to be hospitalized for corrective surgery. In 1990, patient "J.P." said that her August 10 abortion by Orin Moore at Eastern left her with injuries that resulted in her needing a hysterectomy. Deficiencies cited in 1989 inspection included staff lacking CPR recertification. (Statement of Deficiencies February 21-29, 1989) In 1988, the Health Department noted that a 17-year-old patient who was actually 20 weeks pregnant was told that she was 8 or 12 weeks pregnant; her abortion resulted in injury and hospitalization. Assessed penalty of $42,000 in 1988, required to conduct Quality Assurance review of abortion procedures, to perform evaluation and revision of nursing policies and implement in-service education for medical and nursing staff, review credentials of all physicians, and develop approved protocols for quality assurance audits. 1988 inspection noted patient had indicated taking heart medication on history she completed, but anesthesia noted said "no known med. illness." (health department documents of 1988) In 1987, the Health Department noted that a vacuum abortion was to be done on a patient on January 23, but there were no notes on what type of procedure actually was performed. The operating time is noted as being 30 minutes, which is an extrordinary length of time for a vacuum abortion. The next day the woman bled so heavily she was hospitalized. (Statement of Deficiencies and Plan of Correction July 20-24, 1987) Also in 1987, a Statement of Deficiencies noted that a woman had undergone an abortion at Eastern on April 10. She called their hotline on May 15 to report very heavy bleeding and cramping. The notes said, "this is probably her first real period after procedure." The patient reassured, told to relax, instructed to use a cold compress and to return if her symptoms persisted. A follow-up call on May 20 noted that the patient said she was feeling better, but on June 25, she called again to report heavy bleeding. She was told to return on the 27th for an evaluation. When she was evaluated, it was discovered that her hematocrit was reduced by 8%. She evidently had not been given an evaluation by a physician during that 1 1/2 month period. (Statement of Deficiencies and Plan of Correction July 20-24, 1987) During a 1987 inspection, Eastern couldn't find the Medical Director after looking for him for four days. But the inspectors were able to find plenty of violations. (Statement of Deficiencies July 20-24, 1987) In 1982, a patient alleged that on January 22, Hanan Rotem performed an abortion on her at Eastern, leaving her with a uterine perforation and a hole in her uterus. She took the case to court and won a $300,000 verdict, but Rotem settled for $117,500 after the trial. Rotem was the guy who allowed his receptionist to administer general anesthesia and who performed the fatal abortion on Gloria Aponts. Eastern was permitted to join NAF despite a history of malpractice going back to 1972.
9. I mentioned Abu Hayat and the maiming of Ana Rosa Rodriguez and the death of Sophie McCoy, and the fact that other allegations were raised and that he was convicted of illegal abortion and stripped of his license. I didn't give details of Sophie's death. Sophie went to Hayat's office iwth her mother, was given general anesthesia, and was discharged. That evening, Sophie was bleeding, had abdominal pain, and was having trouble breathing. The next day she was taken to a hospital and found to have a perforated uterus and a case of sepsis. She was diagnosed there with a perforated uterus. An emergency hysterectomy was performed, but Sophie developed disseminated intravascular coagulopathy and septic shock which killed her. She left a one-year-old son motherless. After Sophie's death, Hayat originally denied having treated her at all. But Sophie's mother identified Hayat by name and from a photograph. While continuing to deny having treated Sophie, Hayat told one of the physicians who had tried to save her life that she had expelled a fetus at home and come to him for treatment, whereupon he'd sent her to the hospital. But Margie, an employee of his, recognized Sophie from a photo and said that Hayat had indeed treated the girl on two occasions. Margie added that after the second visit, Sophie's mother had called, hysterical and crying. Margie further said that she had seen medical records for Sophie at the facility, and that Hayat had argued with the referring clinic about payments for Sophie's treatment. So Hayat not only injured this child and allowed her to die, he lied to investigators afterward.New York Daily News 11/21/91; Washington Times 11/21/91; New York Post 11/21/91, 11/22/91; New York Times 11/22/91, 11/23/91, 11/24/91; New York Department of Health Case No. BPMC-92-13-A, Medical Board Determination and Order Hayat got national attention from Rush Limbaugh and Donohue, and National Right to Life made him a key part of their then fledgling campaign against what they called "Partial Birth Abortion." I have details on the allegations raised by other patients, but they're far too lentghy to go into here. I've already provided a link to the New York State medical board so you can read it all for yourself. I think it's hardly trivial that NAF, while advertising that members must meet high standards, allowed this guy to be a member.
10. Benjamin Munson as permitted to become a NAF member even after he was prosecuted for manslaughter in the death of Linda Padfield. A pathologist found the remains of a five-month fetus in Linda's uterus, missing a leg, arm, part of its skull and part of its torso. The retained fetus caused the massive infection that had killed Linda.American Medical News 8-29-77; AMA News 12-12-77, 1-23-78; Minneapolis Tribune 10-21-77 Munson went on to perform the fatal abortion on Yvonne Mesteth. Like Linda, Yvonne died of sepsis from an incomplete abortion.South Dakota Death Certificate No. 140 85-003853
11. Denise Montoya bled to death after a 25-week abortion at a NAF member clinic. Her parents filed suit against Douglas Karpen and the clinic, saying that they had faied to adequately explain the risks of the procedure, and had not provided consent forms, or had the parents sign any informed consent document, prior to the fatal abortion.Harris County District Court Case No. 89-16747
12. Fifteen-year-old Sara Neibel went to Midtown Hospital in Atlanta for an abortion at 17 weeks. She was given a clean bill of health and sent home. The next day, she reported a severe headache, sore neck, neck stiffness, and trouble seeing. Her parents began the drive to take her to the hospital. On the way there, Sara began screaming and behaving strangely. When they got to the hospital, she refused to get out of the car. She was disoriented and stuporous upon admission. Sara went into respiratory arrest, and was admitted to the ICU. She was pronounced dead May 11, 1994. The cause of death was determined to be Group B Streptococci Meningitis caused by infected amniotic flued in her bloodstream. The autopsy performed on Sara found dead tissue and a fetal bone fragment in her infected uterus.Autopsy Report No. A1994-13; Georgia Certificate of Death # 023154 Midtown Hospital was investigated by the state and found to be performing illegal third-trimester abortions and allowing live-born infants to die. In fact, Midtown got shut down by the state, but managed to re-open.http://www.georgiabulletin.org/local/1983/05/12/a/]
13. Catherine Pierce lingered for months in a nursing home, and left an 11-year-old motherless, after abortion at a NAF member facility. Inspectors cited Atlanta Surgi-Center for administering "the same anesthesia dosages" to patients whose weights ranges from 107 to 167 pounds, inadequate record keeping, and inadequate supervision of patients. Atlanta Journal/Constitution, 1-5-90
14. Tamia Russel was pregnant due to child sexual abuse. She was 15. The baby's father was 24. His sister took Tamia to many abortion clinics, all of whom told her that the girl's pregnancy was too far advanced for an abortion. One even offered prenatal vitamins. Bu NAF member Woman Care Clinic in Lanthrup Village, near Detroit, was willing to do the abortion not only in the face of Tamia's advanced state of pregnancy, but in violation of state partental involvement laws. They inserted laminaria, but then Tamia changed her mind about the abortion and asked her family for help. The clinic lied and said that it would endanger Tamia's life to remove the laminaria. The abortion was performed by Alberto Hodari, who has a long record of disciplinary actions by the medical board. Tamia developed sepsis and died.
15. NAF member Atlanta Women's Pavillion fatally injured two teen abortion patients within an hour. It all began when 19-year-old Angela Scott stopped breathing in the recovery room. A nurse-anesthetist was administering anesthesia to 14-year-old Delores Smith while Dr. Jacob Adams was performing her abortion. The nurse-anesthetist ran to assist in efforts to revive Angela, leaving Delores unattended with her anesthesia drip still running. After staff had resuscitated Angela and loaded her into an ambulance, they returned their attention to Delores, who had gone into cardio-respiratory arrest. Adams had accompanied Angela to the Grady Memorial Hospital, and staff refused to release Dolores to an ambulance until the physician had returned to discharge her. This resulted in a 30-minute delay, during which the ambulance crew was unable to attend to Delores or begin transporting her. Angela lingered for a week in a coma before dying on June 11. Delores never regained consciousness and eventually was admitted to a nursing home, where she died of adult respiratory distress syndrome.Atlanta Journal 6/27/97, Atlanta Constitution 6/28/79; "Girl, 15, dies after being in a coma since abortion last June," Atlanta Constitution, October 25, 1979
16. I mentioned that Oriane Shevin died after being prescribed RU-486 at a NAF facility by Christopher Dotson. I mentioned only briefly that Dotson was still under probabion by the medical board for gross negligence and incompetence in causing the death of a patient. He failed to take an adequate exam, failed to classify her as a high risk pregnancy, failed to heed the risk of severe bleeding, failed to have appropriate equipment for monitoring, and failed to transfuse her in a timely way, having left the room while she was still bleeding. Dotson had also been investigated in 1993 after Hollywood Presbyterian Hospital of Los Angeles had reported him for being negligent in the treatment of six women. Dotson had also worked at San Vicente Hospital, a notorious abortion facility that was bought out by Family Planning Associates Medical Group. San Vicente was where Sara Lint, Natalie Meyers, Joyce Ortenzio, Laniece Dorsey, and Mary Pena underwent their fatal abortions.
Considering that NAF promises that all their members must adhere to high standards and pass inspections, I hardly consider these to be isolated incidents not worthy of laying at NAF's doorstep. Women calling for a referral to a safe facility are instead sent to people like these.
The idea that NAF can promise safety then refer women to the likes of Abu Hayat is a highly political opinion.ChristinaDunigan 16:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  How much I held back. Now let's admit an example. 

message: Look at what's permitted to stand on the article about Mark Crutcher:
"According to the Wichita Eagle, in March, 1995 in Kansas, Crutcher gave a seminar at the national conference of the American Coalition of Life Activists, attended by many advocates. Paul DeParrie, a supporter of both LDI and the "justifiable homicide" of abortion doctors, once said approvingly of Life Dynamics: "Probably the single most consuming passion at LDI is to make it a legal hell for abortionists and abortion clinics.""
DeParrie merely attended a seminar by Crutcher, but his background and comments are considered valid for inclusion. What NAF's actual members actually DO is not considered valid for inclusion.
DeParrie merely (I don't recall this, but I'll assume that the person who added this had a valid source) approved of shooting abortionists, but never lifted a finger against them. But deaths caused by the actions of NAF members aren't considered valid for including. And this is a reflection on DeParrie, not on Crutcher. The mere fact that this guy attended a seminar Crutcher gave is considered valid reason to bring up shooting abortionists in an article about Crutcher.
One person's opinion of Crutcher -- Paul DeParrie's -- is considered valid for inclusion. But the clearly documented wrongdoing by NAF members, and the fact that Crutcher, Sherlock, etc. have noticed that NAF promises safety but their members have checkered pasts, that's not considered valid for inclusion in an article about NAF. I've provided abundant cites about NAF members' actual wrongdoing.
And notice that I didn't just go in and nuke this addition to the Crutcher article. I think that you get a balanced article by allowing both supporters and critics to contribute. I only wish that those who admire NAF showed similar tolerance for opposing viewpoints.ChristinaDunigan 17:25, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are a lot of double standards on wikipedia. I am not the wikipedia police and I cannot monitor every single article. I have never been to Mark Crutcher. You cannot look at other articles for justification (unless they are WP:GA or WP:FA). Wikipedia policy and the style guide are the places you should look to for guidence in creating new content, not other articles that are not featured or 'good'. I'll see if I can't review the Mark Crutcher article now that you mention it.--Andrew c 20:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Double standard 

message: Blufton, this is not a forum for singing the praises of the National Abortion Federation. This is supposed to be a balanced article. Go ahead and add all sorts of laudatory stuff about what saints fill the hallowed halls of NAF, but leave the legitimate criticism stand.ChristinaDunigan 17:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  This is not a paen to NAF 

message: This paragraph indicates that NAF provides "accurate" medical information, though the information they give is selective and has been challenged by medical professionals who disagree with their conclusions; "non-biased" counseling, though counseling by an abortion-advocacy group is going to lean toward abortion's acceptability and thus will be taking a particular stand; and the comment that they raise money for women who can't afford abortions "due to Medicaid" is a political statement. I think it would be appropriate to remove the word "accurate" and let stand that they offer "medical information," remove "non-biased" and simply let it stand as "options counseling," and delete "due to Medicaid" and simply state that they raise funds for women who can't afford abortions. ChristinaDunigan 14:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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