Talk:Puyi

message: ===Old article name===
* Henry Pu Yi
===Requested move (to Xuantong Emperor)===
*I propose that we move this to Xuantong Emperor of China for consistency. If we want to keep the English, then it's Henry Puyi, not Henry Pu Yi. --Jiang 11:18, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page, but now I agree. It should not be at "Henry Puyi", which was its fmr location. Let's move it to Puyi.--Jiang 00:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested moves

message: *I propose that we move this to Xuantong Emperor of China for consistency. If we want to keep the English, then it's Henry Puyi, not Henry Pu Yi. --Jiang 11:18, 2 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Requested move (to Xuantong Emperor)

message: I suggest this article be re-titled Puyi, as that is the name by which he is most widely known in China as well as in the west. A lot less people know him by Xuantong Emperor, as compared to Puyi. We never bothered to name Yuan Shikai the "Hongxian Emperor". Colipon+(T) 22:21, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I moved the page, but now I agree. It should not be at "Henry Puyi", which was its fmr location. Let's move it to Puyi.--Jiang 00:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (to Puyi) 

message: put this up at WP:RM to be moved to Pu Yi. Since this has been moved in the past I'm wondering what people think of this new suggestion? Talrias (t | e | c) 02:17, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move (to Pu Yi) 

message: "Some maintain he had homosexual tendencies."
i hope this sentense can be remove from the article..
be it homosexual or bisexual
Why should it be removed? Puyi was an interesting fellow with a unique life, and it has taken a long time to get any real information about him out to the general public. If we know of a male historical figure's wives or girlfriends, those are included for the sake of completeness in any good history, so should it be mentioned if he was known to be gay. The only reason not to include mention of his love life is if the facts are utterly unsubstantiated -- and even then, the fact that such rumors exist or allegations have been made is useful to know to those trying to sort out truth from fiction, allegations from knowledge, rumor from fact, prejudice from legitimate inference.
::According to "Newsweek" correspondent Edward Behr, who wrote a book on the last imperial emperor of China, "There is no doubt in my own mind that Puyi was bisexual." --Kstern999 04:04, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also widely ignored that he was traumatized at age 10 or 11 by a palace maid, and therefore was deeply afraid of any physical contact with women. He simply felt safer in the presence of men. Jadetemple (talk) 16:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sexuality 

message: Question: There are several comments in the "literature" about Puyi's unusual physical movements: stiff arms and legs, walking as if on stilts, etc. Is there any reliable information (or even "informed" speculation) about possible physical or mental impairments? [-- unsigned]
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I'm guessing here, but his clumsiness may also be related.
47.139.45.144 (talk) 14:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: No, he didn`t have an physical impairments. He was deeply traumatized several times during his life. That does something to your psyche and that in turn influences how you move and carry yourself. He walked insecurely because he was. Li Shuxian commented, that she had never met anyone who needed so desperately to be loved. Jadetemple (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Medical question 

message: There are several references in the article to the Qing Imperial House having, in 2004, attributed posthumous titles to several people associated with Pu Yi.  I am interested in this subject and wonder whether an official remnant of the former imperial house still exists somewhere "in exile" or in some other way, and what evidence there might be for the titles having been so granted in 2004.  Would love to see more about this, and if possible the article Qing Imperial House to actually be created. --Ishel99 05:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: From what I've read on this... there is a Qing heir in pretence (pretension? whatever is the word). You can find it by following the box at the bottom of the article. However, I've also read (in a PRC-based newspaper) that the actualy imperial family (i.e. Puyi's brother/nephews) don't approve of these "titles" which are being bestowed by a group of more distant relatives who are calling themselves the "Qing Imperial House". That's all just hearsay, of course. --Sumple (Talk) 11:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Qing Imperial House

message: In the article in its current reading it can be understood that he had two or five wives. Also, one of his wives is as also stated a concubine. Also, it's stated that he had two wives simultaneously. Someone with knowledge about his private life and the legal definition of marriage in China during his life should rewrite this section so that it will be clear.--Smallchanges 18:01, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Confusing information about wives 

message: The article begins by calling him "Puyi". Then it says the communists called him "Aixinjueluo Puyi". Then it suddenly calls him "Xuantong" with no explanation. Then we get a section headed 'Name', which begins "In English, he is known more simply as Puyi" but that this name contravenes Chinese tradition. However, it does not explain what the correct name would be. What's going on here? Can someone sort it out? Cop 663 14:49, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Basically his personal name is Puyi, while his imperial name was the Xuantong Emperor. English tends to use emperors' personal names even where that might be considered impolite or offensive locally, e.g. we also call the Showa Emperor of Japan by his personal name, Hirohito. In this particular case it's further complicated by the fact that many Chinese themselves both historically and presently called this particular person Puyi rather than the Xuantong Emperor, perhaps to emphasize the abolition of the empire. --Delirium (talk) 11:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Name confusion

message: There is an entire section missing from the article.  What was he doing between 1924 and 1932?  Macguba 09:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Missing Years

message: Why the two odd paragraphs about Tibetan leadership (third and last paragraphs of the biography section)?  Frankly, I think these are irrelevant to the article.  I would suggest they be deleted, but didn't want to unilaterally do something in case someone can make a real good explanation for their presence.  I.e., how do they contribute to the biography of Puyi as an individual, rather than as aspects of the disintegration of the empire?  If we were to include all aspects of the territorial disintegration of the Qing empire's (and the later Republican state's) sovereignty, this article would be 4 times as long. 
68.190.118.77 (talk) 03:16, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Paragraphs Re: Tibet

message: The piece of info in the Manchukuo section, that he flattered the Japanese imperial family during a visit to Tokyo and thanked Hirohito for "allowing" clear skies -- what's the source on that? Thanks. --Prince andre (talk) 16:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  He flattered Japanese imperial family? Who says? 

message: In the first paragraph, it claims he was reigning 12 days, yet the info box says 11 days.  Guy M | Talk  13:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  11 or 12 days? 

message: All the other pages on emperors of the Qing dynasty discuss what happened during their reign. Therefore if we want to know what happened in the 1690s, we go to Kangxi Emperor because he reigned from 1662 to 1722. But this wiki on Puyi is different: it's a biography of one man from his birth to his death. As such, it doesn't coincide with the years of his reign as Qing emperor. If a reader comes here wanting to know what happened in China in 1909, all he or she will find is the story of Puyi the man. To remedy this lack, I propose we create a page called "Xuantong reign of the Qing dynasty" (or something like that) that would cover the events that took place in China from 1908 to 1912 instead of discussing the emperor himself. What do you think? Madalibi (talk) 10:20, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Puyi (1906-1967) vs "Xuantong reign" (1908-1912) 

message: It is a serious error in these articles to use modern names for the cities and towns in the periods covered in these articles as all references, atlases and maps of the time show the correct names, not those adopted by the communists. 86.137.120.79 (talk) 11:40, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: City names

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Shouldn't "Kāngdé" be a redirect that leads to this page? (66.215.84.193 (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Redirect 

message: This article has so many problems that I don't even know where to start so im just going to give a general summary. Details conflict with each other constantly, the article relies on two sources mainly, the POV is all over the place and certainly not neutral, and is full of extraneous and unnecessary details. SpacePrius (talk) 00:28, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Needs major overhaul 

message: The article is written as an essay or sprawling ramble. I may come back to it but if anyone better knows Puyi please consider a rewrite. Diaozhadelaowai (talk) 07:53, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite May 2019 

message: The manchu writing should be moved from the lede to the second section. The lede should convey biographical information and it seems overwhelmed with naming information. The naming information should be moved to the second section. 
-ApexUnderground (talk) 05:35, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: I disagree it was fine previously and matched the setup on his predecessors page (Guangxu emperor). Now it looks fragmented, the title is sideways and incomplete. Jadetemple (talk) 11:41, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: Titles in lede 

message: I am proposing the split of this article and the creation of Life of Puyi due to the great length of the "Biography" section. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 03:46, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Split proposed 

message: According to the timeline, he was only the emperor until shortly after his sixth birthday. But the section Puyi#Emperor of China (1908–1912) talks about when he was 7, 8, and even 13. From the information there, it's confusing and sounds like he was the emperor up to the age of 13, while the rest of the article says he was removed at the age of 6 and then shortly became emperor again at the age of 12. —Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 17:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline doesn't make sense 

message: The text seems to be biased heavily against the person in question, in manners which would get immediately deleted were this an article about a living person.
Ridiculous assertions bordering on defamation relying on a single source, which is a film of all things with no link to anything of value, and numerous point of view issues.
I personally suggest the article be rewritten entirely using more academic sources.
Euphemios (talk) 14:31, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It has come to my attention that the Behr source is a book, however, how is it that we have nothing linking to it in the first place? If these citations are true to the material, did the author collect various rumours and write about them as if they were proven? Euphemios (talk) 14:41, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Multiple issues that render article unreliable 

message: I've just corrected a cite error and in doing so found that "Aisin-Gioro, 2007" can not be verified. I'm guessing the 2007 release of the autobiography is what is meant, but there isn't enough information to be certain. It would help if it was defined correctly in the Sources section. ActivelyDisinterested (talk) 20:43, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aisin-Gioro-2007 

message: Behr is a non-academic, whose work has serious flaws. John Fairbank, a professor of history at Harvard who founded the East Asian Research Center, reviewed Behr's "Last Emperor" book in the New York Review of Books on February 18, 1988, and I feel like his words speak for themselves:
"Mr. Behr seems careless about proofreading and/or the historical record. For example, the Hundred Days of reform did not occur in 1880, the British did not take Chinese territory at Canton in 1898, the Peking Legation Quarter was not set up in 1860, the province of Anhwei was not the Empress Dowager “Tzu-hsi’s home base,” Lord Palmerston in 1855 did not say he would have to strike “another blow for China,” he said in China, “Weihawei” [sic] was not “one of the oldest British owned Chinese colonies after Hong Kong.” Such howlers and misunderstandings indicate that Mr. Behr is not a trained historian. This is corroborated by his enthusiastic acceptance of David Bergamini’s 'Japan’s Imperial Conspiracy', which makes Emperor Hirohito the mastermind and chief operator of Japan’s implacable drive to take over half the world—a theory long since discredited. Evidently books are like people: if they exist they can be quoted."
This article relies enormously on Behr's book -- possibly because, as mentioned in Fairbank's same review, it was released by Behr around the time as the Bertolucci film. If the quality of the article is to improve, Behr ought to be eliminated as a source. Lycrophon (talk) 19:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Fine by me. Be bold and go ahead! CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Behr is an unreliable source 

message: Article states after his pardon he would see Wang Lianshou, and would see her after his government pardon in 1959, yet her stated date of death on her article is 3/02/46.
So either that article is incorrect or this one is, along with the citation. 81.136.190.120 (talk) 14:25, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wet Nurse 

message: Using his milk name ist regarded as a sign of disrespect. It was done with the intent to break him mentally and spiritually. He himself had commented on how it offended his ears. As long as both his era name and his birth name are included in the article, it will be found if you search for either. Other pages have him listed under his era name, and they are found and read as well. His dying wish has been denied and he wasnt`t given an official temple name or posthumous title, as was custom for every emperor before him, the least that can be done, is to move this page to Xuantong emperor where it belongs. Jadetemple (talk) 11:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: that's a nice argument senator why don't you back it up with a source Von bismarck (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Xuantong emperor 

message: I request that his Manchu and Mongolian title be put back into the ledge, where they were listed before. There is no logical reason to cram them into two tiny footnotes at the bottom of the page, because one user found the section overwhelming to read. Jadetemple (talk) 06:54, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Manchu title Mongolian title 

message: I want add back the longstanding page picture because it is in good quality + it is an official portrait in full dress. We do similar official portrait pictures on Hirohito and Elizabeth II pages.
 Shadow4dark (talk) 10:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: No comments? Shadow4dark (talk) 09:41, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

text: I think it's fine! He is the last Emperor of China, so it is fitting. Just make sure to use Puyi to match the article for your description of the photo. TomMasterReal (talk) 02:24, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  infobox image  

message: The infobox usually contains the country of birth and death of the person (e.g. J. Robert Oppenheimer born in New York City, U.S., not just New York City) unless there was no country to say of. Are there any specific reasons why this page doesn't include the countries of birth and death for Puyi (Qing Dynasty and PRC)? Zinderboff(talk) 15:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox country of birth 

message: As an IP user stated above Wang Lianshou who died in 1946 allegedly met Puyi after his 1959 pardon, which obviously cannot have happened. I also cannot find the 'Pu Yi 1988' source this claim is cited from, and can find nothing by him published or translated into English in 1988- unless this claim can be substantiated with a source I would suggest removing it. TrilobiteDentistry (talk) 09:22, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wang Lianshou date of death 

message: I request that if possible someone add Puyi's signature to Wikimedia Commons. I do not know if this is the appropriate place to ask, but I cannot think of a better place to do so. 
His signature can be found in this picture.
142.120.105.221 (talk) 00:55, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. HansVonStuttgart (talk) 08:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 April 2024