Talk:Jesus wept

message: "In western society, the phrase "Jesus wept" is common curse spoken when something goes wrong." I can't think of anything to say here that wouldn't sound... well, I don't know... but it's not very common among... well, it's not very, shall we say, urban! What about those of us whose roads are paved? Wetman 21:46, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: I was going to leave a smart remark about "Gee if it's never said in Australia, that proves it's not common.  But, 3 years later, the article's still here, and it's clearly prominent enough given teh various uses in the media and popular culture.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.173.80.198 (talk) 22:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Use as an Expletive

message: Having power over life and death, Christ would not have wept over Lazarus' death. It is clear He is weeping as a result of their lack of faith. 
Here are the verses for reference:
11:32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 
11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 
11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 
11:35 Jesus wept. 
 — Nathanlarson32767  (Talk) 04:27, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Interpretation

message: I am not at all convinced of the wisdom of having the text verse in eleven English translations. It would be more enlightening to have the verse (and its context) – here it would make sense – in the original Greek. Pilatus 16:47, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I added the Greek but I think the multiple translations are necessary too. savid@n 23:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Text of the Verse

message: It is the context section that was not NPOV.
It is not at all clear that Jesus was weeping over their lack of faith.  Jesus could just have easily been saddened by seeing His friend in that condition, or saddened to see the pain and suffering the death caused.
If Jesus had such an impassionate and cavalier attitude toward death, we could easily ask why he was so saddened on the eve of His own, actually begging God in a very human moment to avert it.
Also, while Jesus does indicate that the death is an opportunity, it is not stated in the text that He purposefully arrived late.
(My use of the capital pronouns referring to Jesus is indicative of my own POV and not meant to insult those who view Jesus merely as a historical figure, and not as a deity.)
- Gdewar 18:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Context

message: Hi,is this "everyday knowledge" in the UK for example? If so, maybe no citation is needed. But I would prefer instead of "some" for location, a few locations, or at least one location, where it's a common expletive be stated. As a matter of fact I've never heard it as an expletive in my life.I live in USA. But I don't run in Christian circles. On a personal note, to me it's one of the most touching and beautiful phrases in the Bible that this agnostic  knows of. It's a shame it's an expletive.Cheers,Rich 05:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: "citatin needed" edit of mild expletive statement 10/13/06

message: 1st, can we move this to close to the bottom of the article? 2nd, why is this the only (or even in) thing in the cultural sigificance section? Could we rename the section as "Slang" or "Use as an Expletive" and put it near the end of the article?Thanks, Rich 05:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: More on mild expletive in cultural significance section

message: Should this be moved to John 11:35?  Floaterfluss  (talk) (contribs)   02:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move? 

message: Did not Alan Clark complain that trendy modern Christians were promoting a version that read "Jesus burst into tears", which is less elegant, and implies the writer has no knowledge of the verb to weep? --81.105.251.160 04:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alan Clark 

message: Job 3:2 says "He Said". I believe that that is shorter than "Jesus wept". Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere? Tavix (talk) 04:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes and right here on this talk page might be the best place to mention it. The verse is not a "phrase famous for being the shortest verse in the bible" or "an expletive". It is common for being a sarcastic remark. The other two claims are unsourced. ~ R.T.G 21:27, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Job 3:2?

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message: To say that God became man in the form of Jesus is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.   Why on Earth would he pray to Himself?  God is God, Jesus is Jesus and the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit.  You're confusing people. 2601:58B:C00:2DDE:829:242B:F88E:46C (talk) 17:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  God becoming Jesus.