Talk:Zaynab bint Ali

message: Aladdin, I ended up doing a little research and making some major changes. I removed some material that I thought was dubious -- but not all. I don't have ANY reliable sources on this matter. I don't have the relevant volumes of Ibn Sa'd, Baladhuri, or Tabari. You may object to removing the link to the article re intercession at graves, but the link seemed tenuous, and the statement that ALL Sunni Muslims disapprove of such intercession is wrong. Many Sunni Sufis make pilgrimages to the graves of famous Sufi pir hoping to receive baraka. You may not approve of such practices, but they do exist, and the worshippers are generally conceded to be Sunni. Sorry if this response to your revision is disappointing. I do appreciate your work in removing so much of the Shi'a rhetoric. Zora 02:02, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Zora, thank you for responding to my request for review. I have no objections to any of your changes. I came across this article while I was browsing the contributions of certain known, "passionate" Shi'a editors, looking for major POV imbalances. This article fit the bill immensely. If you examine my changes, you will see that the intercession of saints point was not mine, nor was the Sunni view of the same. I merely reworded for grammar. I am fine with removing it, the need to link it is not strong. As for Sufism, yes what you say is true. Academically speaking, I believe it is also true that a significant number of Sunni schools disqualify Sufism as Islam at all. Tangled web, eh?--AladdinSE 03:19, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  First revisions 

message: I tried my best to explain our friend Grenavitar that binte is the right way of saying daughter of in Arabic but he keeps on insisting that it should be bint. Bint has a spelling mistake since it leaves out the -e- from binte. Whoever started writing Islamic article in on wikipedia wrote the article with acb bint acb and acb bin acb. Which are wrong because in Arabic the right way of saying daughter of is Binte and the correct way of saying son of is Ibn. Salman
I am sorry but this is wrong. In Arabic, the word for son is "ibnun" and daughter is "bintun". When one of these words is followed by a Noun, the construction becomes "ibnu  _____" or "bintu _____" in the Nominative case. The Accusative case is "Inna ibna ____" and "Inna binta _____", and the genitive case is "fi ibni _____" and "fi binti _____"- Thus, if you would fully vowel it would be Zaynab bintu Ali and this is how it is pronounced in formal Arabic. Most of the time however, there is a pause after the word "bint" which is why the Islamicists transcribe it as "bint".
The construction where you would say in all cases "Zaynab binte Ali" is in the Persian language (and thereby also in Urdu, Turkish, etc), which is a grammatical form unique to those languages. The Arabic language does not support this construction. This is most clear if you look at the word "Abdullah", which means slave of Allah. If the "binte" is Arabic, then you would say "Abde Allah" which is clearly incorrect.
Abdullah doesn't mean "slave of allah" 😐 Fahad15151GO (talk) 16:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Binte VS Bint

message: The article reads more like a hagiography than a biography. The sourced facts need to be sorted out from the legends and traditions about Zaynab. Kerowyn  Leave a note  00:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's because Salman has copied most of it from Shi'a Muslim websites. I just reverted to a less hagiographic version. Please help me keep it neutral. Salman keeps reverting to the pious version. Zora 06:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NPOV

message: Please add an explanation when you use some strange acronym. -- 92.229.115.131 (talk) 20:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What's BIBI? 

message: There seem condusion about where her final resting place is. The first part states it is in Damascus, while the other one says there is proof that she died in Egypt. Yet the majority of people consider the mausoleum in Damascus her final resting place. This is sort of vague and contradicting?
95.223.187.171 (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mausoleum 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Zaynab bint Ali's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Sharif al-Qarashi":
From Ali ibn Husayn Zayn al-Abidin: 
From Fatimah: Sharif al-Qarashi, Bāqir. The Life of Fatima az-Zahra (sa). Trans. Jāsim al-Rasheed. Qum, Iran: Ansariyan Publications, n.d. Print. Pgs. 37-41
From The Fifteen Whispered Prayers: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 20:13, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Zaynab bint Ali]] 

message: I have removed some of the peacock features and massive overlinking.  I have also standardised names.  There is a discussion of the same features in a related article at Talk:Husayn ibn Ali#Peacock features, Talk:Husayn ibn Ali#Overlinking and Talk:Husayn ibn Ali#Spelling of names.
It also seemed useful to put the events at Karbala in chronological order, so I did that too.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Removal of peacock features and overlinking

message: Why does the lede use Arabic words for things that have very simple, very adequate English equivalents? Prophet, household. If no one comes up with a persuasive reason, I propose to drop them. Wegesrand (talk) 13:37, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: See it's place in category Arab.  I have observed this practice in most of the articles of non-English origin communities where this style of presentation provides  native language wordings with its pronunciation for proper referencing and understanding roots.  Nannadeem (talk) 17:35, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Let's write English 

message: The article gives DoB as 3 Oct 626 in the lead and 3 Aug in the text.  Her brother claims to have been born on 10 Jan the same year.  At least one of these dates looks wrong, but I don't know which. Certes (talk) 16:15, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth 

message: There are several poor or primary sources in the article, which seems unnecessary with so many academic works published about Zaynab. I'm hoping to add new reliable sources to the article soon and remove/replace the poorly sourced material from it. Albertatiran (talk) 07:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreliable sources