Talk:Ablative case

message: What about the Ablative of Agent? Bayerischermann 01:53, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: The "lähteä kalalta/maidolta" expressions given for the Finnish examples sound somewhat dubious. You might say "lähteä kalasta" (elative, literally "go out of the fish") to mean "quit fishing". "Lähteä kalalta" sounds like you have been standing on the top of a fish and depart. With regard to drinks, ablative is more commonly used for drinks that you drink in a social context, ie. "lähteä kaljalta" (to leave from (drinking) beer, often to leave a bar) or "lähteä kahvilta" (to leave from (drinking) coffee, often to leave a cafe). Its use for drinks in general is in my opinion rare, particularly if the drinker is a person. You might say "lähteä maidolta" if you have been visiting someone's home for the purpose of drinking a glass of milk while socializing, or of a cat that departs from its platter of milk. Vuori 12:22, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish examples 

message: english has, albeit rather archaic, some ablative too, n'est-ce pas? 
                   
                     whence = from where 
 
also some dative.  :)    
                     whither = to where
opinions?
:I think that's worthy of discussion in the article.  I know it's been a little obnoxious for me not seeing many decent English examples of these grammatical cases in the English bloody articles, which for someone speaking English natively, who would, incidentally, be more likely to read the English translation of this page, would be far more accessible than (cough) Finnish and Turkish.  So I'm all for it. Dextrose (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: These are not cases. And where is not a noun, adjective or pronoun, so cannot have cases. Koro Neil (talk) 04:00, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  ablative in english? 

message: I'm not a fluent Turkish speaker, but it seems to me that "taşımaktan" ought to be "taşımadan:"
:taşımak   = infinitive
:taşıma    = verbal noun
:-tan/-dan(/-ten/-den) = ablative case suffix, subject to consonant deformation (and vowel harmony)
Thus "taşımaktan" would be the ablative generated from the infinitive, which is a case I'm not sure even exists.  Furthermore, taşımadan requires a little bit more explanation, because the use of the ablative here would be in the context of something like "kuvvetlenmeliyim onu tanışmadan önce," "I have to get stronger before I carry it."  Essentially here, "tanışmadan önce" is used to express "from before the carrying of...."  Another possible use of tanışmadan would be in the conversation,
:"Kollarım acıyorlar."  - "My arms hurt."
:"Neden?"               - "Why?"
:"Mobilyayı tanışmadan" - "From carrying furniture."
Tanışmak seems like a poor choice to demonstrate using the ablative case on a verb in any case, but I don't know enough Turkish to be sure of what I'm talking about so I'm not editing the page. Dextrose (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I asked my Turkish friend and she said that taşımaktan would indeed be used this way, as in "elim acıyor bunu taşımaktan" my hand hurts from carrying this.  She couldn't exactly explain the usage, but "taşımadan önce" is a valid construction whereas "taşımadan" isn't quite valid as "from carrying."  I still say that the example requires more explanation, since it is a somewhat special case of the ablative. Dextrose (talk) 23:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkish examples 

message: The ablative in Turkish (-den hali or uzaklaşma hali) is expressed through the suffixes -den, -dan, -ten, or -tan. Examples:
Ev - evden
House - from/off the house
At - attan
Horse - from/off the horse
Taşımak - taşımaktan
To carry - from/off carrying
How would "Ateşten Gömlek" be translated? Fire is in the ablative case and shirt is in nominative case. Shirt from the fire? Thanks Mallerd (talk) 19:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  More Turkish 

message: It seems that this case is used in some Indo-European languages (like Latin) but not in others (like Greek). A list might be helpful here. Also, in Latin the ablative is often similar to the dative as regards the word form. Is the ablative a variant of the dative that some languages developed, or is it an old Indo-European phenomenon that was folded into the dative in some languages? Please add any such information you might have. -- 85.179.160.87 (talk) 01:09, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Proto-Indo-European is reconstructed as having a separate ablative case, which merged with other cases (locative and instrumental) in Latin, yes. Although the ablative and dative are still distinct cases in Classical Latin. They're only identical in the plural. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 02:21, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of languages that have it 

message: Hello? This is an English article about a subject but has no examples in English? Someone needs to make this an article about English and not every OTHER language on Earth.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.200.226 (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: You should read the first paragraph and learn that there is no ablative case in English. — Eru·tuon 04:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text:  No ablatives in greek or german apparently, but they're on the list! Perhaps a seperate section for languages with "ablative constructions" that includes English?203.173.28.77 (talk) 05:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  ENGLISH??? 

message: IN American English and some dialects of English elsewhere can be heard "I got off of the bus" NOT "I got off the bus". Is this an example of ablative case usage? Similarly we can find "He took it out of my hand" compared with "He took it out my hand". What form / case / declension is this IF this is not ablative?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 (talk) 04:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  off of