Talk:Dave Carter

message: The sources seem to refer to Dave Carter as "he", but the article goes back and forth between "he" and "she". I'm not sure what Carter would have preferred as I never heard of this person before. It's confusing that all of the direct quotes say "he" but then the article says "she". Thoughts? Better sources? —PermStrump(talk) 08:27, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone has put "her" for "Dave" Carter and it is confusing as hell, from the very second sentence, even to someone who knows about his transition.  (It reads as though it suddenly switched to Tracy Grammer.)  I'm not changing it only because I don't want to go through the whole article and I don't want to play in the anticipated edit war, but it is a poor decision, and contrary to what Tracygrammer has recommended.  I hope someone will change this back so ordinary readers can understand what's being said.  Zaslav (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Upfront, this is not a subject in which I have any experience, so I don't know what the policies/guidelines are following is just my own opinion as a somewhat experienced editor. Running into the "she" pronoun in the lead is just plain confusing, and gets more confusing as one reads on. That totally distracts from the content of the article, which should not happen. The insertion of the "[s]" in front of "he" in quotes is also distracting. Assuming the Dave Carter#Transgender identity section is accurate (which, AGF, agrees with Tracy's account above), I think the article should use the pronoun "he" consistently and quotes should be reverted to their published form. The topic and timeline of the potential/pending transition is well-explained in that section there's no reason to effectively contradict it by using the wrong pronoun in the rest of the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

text: * To clarify, the distraction is because of there being no mention of the gender transition until much later in the article, which is understandable, given the timeline expressed. I'm not trying to say that the distraction alone is an inconvenience that we shouldn't be forced to deal with just that it's distracting because it's unexplained and looks like a mistake (which turns out to be true in this case). As a WikiGnome, I might be more distracted than others. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Thus if the use of female pronouns (she) is to remain, an explanation should be added early in the article. If, however, there is no reliable source in which Carter expressed a female identity, or an intention to assume one, female pronouns should not be used. In thqt case I think that  is correct and male pronouns should be used. , do you kn ow of any reliable sources not already cited in the article that bear on this issue? Does anyone else? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Pinging . —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consistency 

message: :Someone has put "her" for "Dave" Carter and it is confusing as hell, from the very second sentence, even to someone who knows about his transition.  (It reads as though it suddenly switched to Tracy Grammer.)  I'm not changing it only because I don't want to go through the whole article and I don't want to play in the anticipated edit war, but it is a poor decision, and contrary to what Tracygrammer has recommended.  I hope someone will change this back so ordinary readers can understand what's being said.  Zaslav (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Upfront, this is not a subject in which I have any experience, so I don't know what the policies/guidelines are following is just my own opinion as a somewhat experienced editor. Running into the "she" pronoun in the lead is just plain confusing, and gets more confusing as one reads on. That totally distracts from the content of the article, which should not happen. The insertion of the "[s]" in front of "he" in quotes is also distracting. Assuming the Dave Carter#Transgender identity section is accurate (which, AGF, agrees with Tracy's account above), I think the article should use the pronoun "he" consistently and quotes should be reverted to their published form. The topic and timeline of the potential/pending transition is well-explained in that section there's no reason to effectively contradict it by using the wrong pronoun in the rest of the article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: * To clarify, the distraction is because of there being no mention of the gender transition until much later in the article, which is understandable, given the timeline expressed. I'm not trying to say that the distraction alone is an inconvenience that we shouldn't be forced to deal with just that it's distracting because it's unexplained and looks like a mistake (which turns out to be true in this case). As a WikiGnome, I might be more distracted than others. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:11, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Thus if the use of female pronouns (she) is to remain, an explanation should be added early in the article. If, however, there is no reliable source in which Carter expressed a female identity, or an intention to assume one, female pronouns should not be used. In thqt case I think that  is correct and male pronouns should be used. , do you kn ow of any reliable sources not already cited in the article that bear on this issue? Does anyone else? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:35, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

text: Pinging . —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:54, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  2020 

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