Talk:Jacob Zuma

message: I think the President of South Africa (2009–2018) section should be split into a new page, Presidency of Jacob Zuma, in the vein of U.S. presidencies, for example. The section is large enough to stand alone and it would be nice to expand it with things that are more relevant to Zuma’s administration than to Zuma the man – in particular, various bits and pieces about alleged state capture under Zuma are sort of spread across different articles, and this would be a logical place to consolidate them. Also foreign relations and so on. Pinging , who I know are active on SA politics wiki, for views. Happy to do the split and write out a generous summary to keep on this page. Jlalbion (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi, there. I support this proposal 100%. Best,  Lefcentreright  Discuss  18:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

text: Went ahead with the split. I don't want to mess with the pretty Zuma template but anyone technically competent should please feel free to add the presidency page to it! Jlalbion (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Another splitting proposal 

message: "He managed to retained the support of a left-wing coalition inside the ANC" should read either "he managed to retain," or "he retained." It is currently grammatically incorrect. 2A02:C7F:506D:3C00:8844:DC27:D64A:C7A8 (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 21:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2022 

message: I would say add convicted criminal and thief.maybe rapist too. 102.248.10.88 (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. Aoidh (talk) 03:14, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2022 

message: Hi i would edit the page to say Convicted criminal as his current role and not a politician, as he is a thief not a politician at current. 192.143.29.51 (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the  template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:57, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 15 July 2023 

message: He was in fact the 4th president of the Anc, not the 4th president of South Africa. 41.13.0.54 (talk) 17:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: No, that's incorrect. About 12 people before Zuma served as president of the ANC, which makes him the 13th president of the party.  Lefcentreright  Discuss  17:30, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Nevertheless, the section is misleading. It seems to imply that he was the 4th head of state of South Africa, which is not the case. He was the 4th President of South Africa (i.e. the article is technically correct) but there were many other heads of state prior to 1994 - referred to as "State President of South Africa". This may be rectified by the article reading as something along the lines of "He was the fourth President of South Africa following the end of Apartheid in 1994". 2C0F:F4C0:230C:8910:8D6A:EB14:49F:21A (talk) 12:50, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
replies: text: It might even be a good idea to add the exact number of heads of state that preceded him, e.g. "He was the 23rd head of state of the Republic of South Africa and the fourth President of South Africa following the end of Apartheid in 1994" - This would be much more clear and avoid the misconception that the Republic of South Africa was formed in 1994. It was not. The country was established in '61 and has existed continuously since then. The presidency as an office was created with the new constitution - the state was not. 2C0F:F4C0:230C:8910:8D6A:EB14:49F:21A (talk) 12:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  4th