Talk:Graeme Smith

message: "He is also an occasional off spin bowler who appears to be able to take key wickets."
7 wickets in Test matches is hardly worth a mention. 203.3.197.249 04:45, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: He certainly rates himself - he bowled himself more than Nicky Boje in a Test in the WI recently , and bowled himself before Boje in another . I'd agree to remove the second bit, though, since four of his wickets have been in drawn causes, two have been in lost causes, and the last was Khaled Mahmud. Sam Vimes 08:53, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

text: And look, now the second bit is gone. :D Sam Vimes 08:54, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Smith is not a bowler! 

message: I have removed the following statement from the article:
He was also accused by Michael Vaughan of calling him 'queer' and the fact that Smith acted as a witness during Vaughan's case with referee Clive Lloyd (Vaughan was fined his entire match-fee)."
I am not sure what this is referring to - it accuses Smith of calling Vaughan a queer, should it also say ill-will was generated by Smith giving evidence against Vaughan in his hearing with the match referee for (insert offence here).
I've also messed around with the article a bit - I feel it is a pretty good article but there are still some passages where it is obviously written from the viewpoint of a fan.  Furthermore, statements such as "Smith and the Australian players have a mutual respect for each other" are a little ambiguous, as I'm pretty sure that there would be quite a few players (and even more fans) on both sides of the Indian Ocean who have little love for Smith and Ponting respectively.
Anyway, thoughts etc?
Crx2gen 13:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unclear statement 

message: This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of April 15, 2008, compares against the  six good article criteria:
:1. Well written?: The article needs a thorough copy edit
:2. Factually accurate?: It appears to be accurate but some claims certainly need backing up
:3. Broad in coverage?: For such an accomplished and experienced cricketer, the article is still on the short side and doesn't included much of Smith's career
:4. Neutral point of view?: The section entitled Career Highlights instantly worried me to any bias in the article
:5. Article stability? Pass
:6. Images?: Pass
The article is a long way from GA, in my opinion. There are problems with MOS, which I've to some extent tried to fix, thoroughness, the standard of writing, and more citations are needed. There's a lot of work to do.
When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated.  If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed.  Thank you for your work so far.</div>
:GA review (see here for criteria)
#It is reasonably well written.
#:a (prose):  b (MoS): 
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#It is factually accurate and verifiable.
#:a (references):  b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR): 
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#It is broad in its coverage.
#:a (major aspects):  b (focused): 
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#It follows the neutral point of view policy.
#:Fair representation without bias: 
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#It is stable.
#:No edit wars etc.: 
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#It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
#:a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):  b (appropriate use with suitable captions): 
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#Overall: 
#:Pass/Fail: 
#:: </div> Peanut4 (talk) 23:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Failed "good article" nomination

message: It's clear that a good amount of work has gone into the article, however, I feel I cannot pass it and list it as a GA until the following issues have been resolved (ie, corrected for explained):
*Why is the lead so small? What you've got so far is very good but you could try and expand it. When I write leads for articles I try and do the following:
**First sentence introduction to subject.
**The rest of the paragraph should be used to establish why the subject is notable, in Smith's case it would obviously be the fact he is the captain of the South African cricket team but you could port some of the statements from the career section(s) and the controversies sections you feel maybe used further establish why Smith is notable.
**The second paragraph sould be an overview of the subject's career, ie a sentence on his early career, then a couple more for his domestic career and the rest to his international career.
**The third paragraph should just have a brief mention of the controversies in his career and then just a brief statement of what he has done recently.
*The early career section seems too small to warrant a primary header, perhaps you could merge the "early" and "domestic" career sections into one? Not only that but couldn't you put all the career related sections under a primary (==) "Cricketing Career" header with the "early and domestic" section and "international" section, just a suggestion. ;-)
*"The previous record was 254 by Sir Donald Bradman." of <insert country here>
*"England national cricket team, India national cricket team and Sri Lankan national cricket team." - wouldn't it be easier to have England, India and Sri Lanka?
*"It beat the previous record of 413 which had been set in 1956" - any ideas as to who held the previous record?
*In the "Controversies" section, the name "Keven Pieterson" appears a number of times in successive sentences, try using different words to refer to win by such as: "the Brit", "Pieterson", or perhaps how old Pieterson was at the time (ie "...the x year old").
*"In May 2008 Smith was involved in the controversy with Saurav Ganguly when he took a disputed catch in the IPL tournament in India." - Why isn't Ganguly wikilinked? Also, where is the reference?
*Finally, once could use  over the succession box to organise them. For instance, if Smith gets an award, you could use  to distinguish that from his SA Captain boxes. Also, the article mentions he has broken a few records, perhaps you could introduce a few more boxes for these records and use the  to organise them.
::::::edited to replace s-awards with s-ach Bazj (talk) 17:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Cheers for the buzz. ;-) Anyway, I'll pass this article as a GA, however if you plan to get it up to FA then I strongly suggest that the lead is improve and you find some hardcopy refs (books, magazines, etc) - it's best waiting 'til he gets a biography because then the article can discuss his early and personal life (eg. like I've done on Alain Prost and Tom Pryce). Anyway, may I encourage you to review this GA review (see my signature) and also to review GA candidates as well because there is a horrible backlog in the sports section - Thanks. --Phill talk Edits Review this GA review! 09:23, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: GA review

message: why is smith's rajasthan royals stint,included in his international career paragraph?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanbhag.rohan (talk • contribs) 04:43, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  domestic career 

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