Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dragon Ball/Archive 2

message: Since this project has been more or less vacant, and now has a resurged interest I thought it prudent to archive the Talk page. --DesireCampbell 06:14, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archive 

message: Yes, on the Vegetto article there's a picture of an attack that's listed as the Final Kamehameha even though it doesn't look like it. If you go to the talk page you can see me arguing with Kojidude trying to get him to show some proof that the attack in question is the Final Kamehameha as I believe that the attack is just a generic attack that whoever wrote the article decided to call the Final Kamehameha. Is there any way to confirm wheather Kojidude is right or not?
Starone 18:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Requests

message: Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 16:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wikipedia Day Awards 

message: I just joined, some of you might have already seen some of my edits in the DB pages but anyway hi to everyone that has never heard of me, I will make the most to keep them as top shape as possible as I have tried to do in the past :) -Dark Dragon Flame 07:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome. Welcome =) VelocityEX 23:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Wheeeeeeeee! --DesireCampbell 02:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dark Dragon Flame

message: I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank Ned Scott for diving in and cleaning up the main page. Thanks bud. --DesireCampbell 02:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, no problem, I just go around and steal good ideas from other projects ;) -- Ned Scott 02:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hehe, I started a temp page for the project by copy-pasting the entire WP:SM page :P --DesireCampbell 02:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Big Thanks 

message: To meet Wikipedia:Verifiability, required for a GA or (eventually!) a featured article, we need sources. Very few Dragon Ball articles are sourced and most of those are from websites. Even wonderful ones like Daizex are just websites and so we'll want some print ones, too. Unfortunately, there aren't very many. And the ones that are there aren't great. But... better than nothing.
Also, can anyone find online a repository of VIZ and FUNI press releases? I used to be able to get them on Google Groups, which is how I pinned down dates for many things in Dragon Ball (franchise), but bad me didn't know to actually do inline citations then and the work is lost. They also have plenty of marketing spiel, but nuggets of important information like revenue projections, licensing agreements, etc. 
I've started a short table just from what I can dig up tonight. Please feel free to add to this. JRP 06:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragon Ball References

message: Should we make one of those templates that say "[Article name] is a part of WikiProject Dragon Ball..."?--SUIT42 08:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would be a great addition --Dark Dragon Flame 08:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm...Let me take a shot at it... -- bulletproof 3:16 08:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Looks nice. Good job--SUIT42 09:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: Another question- are we going to assess articles?--SUIT42 19:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I just added the template to the Sagas, movies and episode lists, I'm not sure if there are any pages  left if they are just tell me --Dark Dragon Flame 23:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

text: The To-Do list has been updated! Take a good look at it and help improve it.-- bulletproof 3:16 02:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template? 

message: Are there any administrators in this Wikiproject? If not, I wouldn't mind helping in admin related ways, such as deleting pages, protecting pages when necessary, etc. I don't have a clue about anything related to Dragon Ball though, so perhaps "joining the project" per se isn't a good idea? Either way, people should feel free to contact me if they need something admin-related doing --Deskana (request backup) 12:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added myself as a member after having a discussion with another member. Contact me on my talk page if anyone needs anything :-) --Deskana (request backup) 12:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's pretty cool to have an admin help out here and there, in case we have a problem. Welcome to the project, Deskana =) VelocityEX 01:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

text: You aren't an administrator--SUIT42 04:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: But you're still free to help in any other way you are able to. -- Ned Scott 04:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Administrators in this Wikiproject 

message: Has anyone started this area yet?  Also are we still keeping them separate by series or sticking all characters in one page?  I'm just worried with the sheer quantity, even if only the few minor characters show up there with actual details, the page might get quite big resulting in poor running for some users (Ever used a complex web page, it makes IE eat up RAM for fun).
Anyway, if someone hasn't created a blank list page for this I'm willing to go to work on it later today when I get back from work.  Let me know guys.Darkwarriorblake 09:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Character Lists

message: We really need to do something about the character references. Nearly every character article has an unreferenced tag, Majin Buu doesn't have one but its references aren't done very well. Anyway, we really should get to that if we want any of these articles to reach Good Article Status--SUIT42 21:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, what shall we do about them? I have no idea how to do a reference thingy. Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

text: I said character pages not the episode pages.--SUIT42 07:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dragon Ball Character References 

message: I just noticed this page needed cleanup (It's on teh To-Do List). I figured it'd be easy to work on this page, considering there is a lot of information regarding these sets. I'm gonna start. Anybody wanna help out? VelocityEX 05:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I did a bit on that page a while ago, but I may look into it again some other time--SUIT42 07:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Expansion: Dragon Box 

message: So what are opinions so far on the Freeza article?  I think it looks a lot better than before, any other changes, comments, etc?  Coz I want to get this to GA but without input or other  peoples contributions I don't know what else needs fixing.Darkwarriorblake 14:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: So...opinions?

message: We need a List of monsters in Dragon Ball.  Toriyama shows that earth is inhabited by three types: Humans, Animals, and these Monster types.  That's what Pilaf, Buyon, Baba's monsters, etc. are and there's no category for them that I can find. Evan1975 01:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Monsters in Dragon Ball

message: It would be nice if the character infoboxes had a place for the seiyū.  Evan1975 03:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Seiyū

message: So what was it decided would be used for character names? Viz, Funi, Steve Simmons, our own rominizations, what? Takuthehedgehog 05:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Mostly the original japanese pronuciation is being used (see Burdock for example) in most cases due to the wide variety of ways to write them or entirely different and alternate names in different dubs; however there are a few exeptions in wich dub names (mostly Funi) are being use as is the case when naming characters that only received name in a dub or characters with complicated names that are either hard to say or remember, but mostly we try to use the japanese names to be more accurate -Dark Dragon Flame 05:23, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, for example, Broly, who's Japanese name is Burori and is a pun on broccoli, would be named Broli? If so we need someone to explain that to them because I tried to change the article yesterday and someone reverted it imediatley.Takuthehedgehog 18:04, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Naming

message: What should the Tsufurujin page be called? It currently uses Tsufurujin, and both dub names lose most of the pun. What are they called in Steve Simmons' subtitles? Takuthehedgehog 21:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tsufurujin

message: Hi guys. Is the Super 17 arc officially called by TOEI a saga distinct from the shadow dragon one? Or is this just what FUNImation called it on their website?
Because from what I've read online and seen from the show, this arc opposes what every other "Dragonball arc" (in all 3 series) considers a saga when you take into acount: themes, narratives, plot devices, etc. This should really be part of the "Shadow Dragon" arc as 1 long story (it's the same story). It's as if FUNI were to make up a "Dabura saga" as distinct from the entire Majin Buu saga. (but if TOEI said it, then I guess that's ok).
I have yet to see Toei divide any of their series into 'sagas'. The whole saga thing isn't official. Most of it's been done by either FUNimation, or by fans. Personally, I think the Super 17 arc would count, as while it is very short, it does mainly focus on Super 17. Most story arcs in Dragon Ball or 'Z' don't really do that (Unless you refer to the Androids, of course) 66.222.198.121 03:36, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think of it is a seperate (albeit small) arc. Just because it has ramifications in the next arc... well, one could say the same of the Saiyan and Freeza arcs, the Daimao and Ma Jr. arcs, and the Pilaf and Muten Roshi arcs technically. One can't really compare it to the Cell saga/androids, because in that case it was one defined story. Dr. Gero made all of them for revenge on Goku. #17 and #18 existed for Cell's eventual completion. Super 17 and the dragons are not remotely linked, aside from the fact that the crack is what lead to villains coming forth. Onikage725 11:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Is the Super 17 fight really a "saga/arc"?  

message: Ugh.  Somebody's gone through List of Dragon Ball special abilities and changed most of the move names into English.  Was there a consensus on this?  For the record, I can't stand it; I can't find anything now.  Wondering what the opinion is here before I try to do anything with it.  Evan1975 06:46, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I already explained it on Takuthehedgehog's talk page. I ain't gonna say it again... Power level (Dragon Ball) 16:56, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah there was concensus only two users were aganist the change, we did these just because although it might be confusing to us the casual reader will find it easier to identify the abilities, just check the article's talk page to see how it went; also please don't revert pages without checking the talk pages it's kind of a drag having to revert them back without a justified reason-Dark Dragon Flame 01:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. It is quite idiotic for someone to revert an article without seeing if it was discussed first. Power level (Dragon Ball) 06:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I don't see any links to any discussions or consensus.  If you don't provide any, I recommend Takuthehedgehog's revert.  Evan1975 18:54, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hey Evan didn't you read, look at the article's talk page don't be lazy. -Dark Dragon Flame 21:58, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: List of Dragon Ball special abilities has been temporarily fully protected. All Dragon Ball WikiProject members, please see the respective talk page to solve the dispute. It seems that we're gonna go by Steve Simmons subtitled names, so let's just get all of the examples from Daimao straightened out on that talk page A.S.A.P.!!! Power level (Dragon Ball) 20:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Dragon Ball special abilities

message: Okay, before anyone does this again, here's the scoop:
In Funimation's English dub they, for some inexplicible reason, decide to say that GT happens ten years after the ending of Z. This line is not present in the original script, and it, like "Bardock is a scientist" is completely erroneous. 
The GT 'Perfect File' books, which are what the GT portion of this timeline are derived from, state five years, not ten. 
Stop changing dates. Please? --DesireCampbell </wiki/User:DesireCampbell> 13:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: GT: 5 years, or 10?

message: Ok people as you know one of our Project's priorities is to raise Goku's page to Good Article classification, now the best way to reach this goal is to have as much people as we can working in the article at the same time under the same goal; although the article is a lot better now than what it was it still requires some work, so what I propose is to set a date to work on the page and raise it to GA in as fast as possible (without affecting the quality of the article or doing it in a rush) so we can proceed to work on the other Dragon Ball pages that need work, how many of you are willing to help me raise this page to Good Article and when do you think it's the best date to work on it (I personally think monday might be good since it's one of those holidays that are somewhat boring since everything is closed), thank you all for your time. -Dark Dragon Flame 00:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Looking good, I have been waiting for you to add it so I can add the part about his name's origin and with the plot taking less space we can add some other important and interesting stuff, we must remember the article's size (see GA Superman for example it is a big mass of letters that is somewhat interesting to read) is not the only factor needed to raise it to good article, the article must appeal the reader's interest. -Dark Dragon Flame 00:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

text: The article won't reach GA unless it has good references, and so far it has none--SUIT-n-tie 23:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah I believe that we must make the changes first since if we add them now and then we add Desire's rewritten version it would be kind of pointless. -Dark Dragon Flame 23:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good Article 

message: Hello.
I have depopulated and tagged the above category for deletion.  My reasoning is that all characters in it were already in :Category:Dragon Ball characters and it can't be precisely defined what a "supporting character" is in this series. Beowulph 13:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, almost every character in that list has it's own important role in the series. -Dark Dragon Flame 17:22, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I placed my vote for its deletion already. Power level (Dragon Ball) 17:26, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Deleting [[:Category:Dragon Ball Supporting Characters]]

message: I was looking over the Dragon Balls article and I see we left out or overlooked something about the Black Star Balls. That they don't revert to stone when they are used. If they were they would not show on Trunks's Dragon Radar or when Giru turned himself into the Dragon Radar. And remember the Dragon Balls including the Namekian Balls turn to stone until the year has gone by or when the balls can be used again like Namekians is half a year if all the wishes are used and when only one of the Earth's Balls (Dende's DBs) wishes are used half a year too. So it seems the BSDBs can be used over and over if collected in time before the planet they were created on is not destroyed yet. Also that they need to remain on that planet without another wish being used when the year comes to an end or the time of the BSDBs will not reset and that planet will still be destroyed. Is that something we need to mention in the article?
Heat P 13:18, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black star Dragon Balls 

message: After a discussion at CFD, it was suggested that :Category:Dragon Ball cast members should be 'd. Anyone from WikiProject Dragon Ball like to take this on? Angus McLellan  (Talk) 14:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category:Dragon Ball cast members 

message: Template:DB_char is in horrible condition (IMO). The way its set up currently divides characters based on race and affiliation, and too many minor characters are listed. I think we should have a template more along the lines of Template:One_Piece_characters where characters are souly devided by affiliation, and only list importatnt characters. Because of the vast ammount of characters and changing roles, we would have to deside on how to deside if a character is important enough to be mentioned on the template, because we can't have a template that takes up half a screen for many reasons. Before this is changed though, I think we need to first finish with the merging/redirecting of articles so we know which characters to link to what pages, but some other ideas on this subject would be nice. Takuthehedgehog 03:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I always thought it was pointless to have characters that redirect to lists in there along an entry for "list". -Dark Dragon Flame 04:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I tried doing it. Besides the formatting, is anything bad about it? Nemu 04:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: That's actually pretty good.  66.222.198.121 06:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It looks alot better now, great job. Takuthehedgehog 09:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Anyway, I don't think space should be a concern.  Have any of you looked at some of the military templates?  Check out Template:WWIIBritishAFVs for how to hide sections. Beowulph 20:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I added Piccolo Daimao and Super 17 to the villains section, and Red Ribbon Army to Others, since they're pretty important in Dragon Ball. 66.222.198.121 21:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think the "article merger nominations" should be deleted once the article is merged. There needs to be some record on the talk page that discussions were taking place. That's the reason there's a Nappa (Dragon Ball), and a Dodoria, and a Zarbon once again and the reason the character template is growing too. Just letting you guys know.--Nohansen 20:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: What happened? no offense to anyone involved but this new template looks much worse and is more of a downgrade than anything else. DBZROCKS 23:42, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:DB_char]] 

message: I just wanted to point out that a number of Dragon Ball Z movie artcles have been moved to include "Dragon Ball Z:" in articles' name and created numerous bad links in doing so. Whats the general consensus on this? Just wanted to bring this to your attentions. -- bulletproof 3:16 02:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it makes sense to include the entire name of the movie. Just because it's part of a franchise doesn't mean we should take the franchise name out of the title. I'm sure Wiki probably has some rule saying articles on movies should include the entire title, otherwise Borat! Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan wouldn't have such a long article name. With some of the movie names you can't tell that it's a DBZ movie without Dragon Ball Z in the title. Takuthehedgehog 18:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My concern here really is about all the bad links the mover created when he decided to move all of these movie articles. -- bulletproof 3:16 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Dragon Ball Z movies

message: Is it just me or has there been a lot of deletions with charecter pages (like with bardock Gotenks and many others) lately. I've been taking a wikibreak for I while, did I miss something?DBZROCKS 23:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Here's what happened while you were gone. Takuthehedgehog 00:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks now I understand. though why was list of Androids merged it was better on its own DBZROCKS 00:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: hehe, didn't you noticed that big text block up there, anyways the articles weren't deleated they were merged somewhere else cause we needed to cut the number of lists. -Dark Dragon Flame 00:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I do know it was merged (I even said so in my previous statement) I was just saying that the list of andriods was better left off not merged. and also why are thier animals under earthlings? was the list of animals deleted as well? DBZROCKS 00:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Yeah. -Dark Dragon Flame 00:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow is there a list of what was deleted? I really didn't expect all this stuff to be deleted in the three days I was gone. DBZROCKS 00:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I cleaned up Bardock's entry on the list of saiyans (See here) but it's been reverted. I'm not looking to make a big thing out of it. I just want to know the Project members' opinion on my edit.--Nohansen 15:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  mass deletion? 

message: :I have seen all the new changes that have happened since I took a break but I think there is something we are all forgeting about. The Main Dragonball Z page itself it isnt very usefull it just rambles on and on about censoring and box-set releases. sure theres a page on Dragonball in general but thats no excuse for having no information on the plot and other elements of Dragonball Z in the Main page. Im sure we can work to improve this article to help it meet wikipedia's quality standerds. DBZROCKS 01:43, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If it's gonna follow the usual anime guidlines, the article should have sections like this..
- Little intro like this...
Dragon Ball Z (ドラゴンボールZ, Doragon Bōru Zetto) is a Japanese anime series based on the Dragon Ball manga written and drawn by Akira Toriyama.  The series primarily centers around the adventures of Son Goku and his friends as they defend the Earth and many other planets against various villains.
An adaption of the Dragon Ball manga, Dragon Ball Z primarily draws upon the 17-42 volumes of the manga . So far, the anime series spawned 291 episodes, 13 movies, and variously related merchandise. 
Plot
 Characters (this should have at least two or three characters from each 'race' of Dragon Ball, not including the villains)
Reception (In any case, the stuff from 10 years ago should count 'as first', then anything else afterwards)
Format (Airing stuff. Elfen Lied is a good example)
Theme songs (Already have that)
Cast
Blah blah.
But yeah, that's my opinion 66.222.198.121 04:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: sounds better all ready. but just to be safe lets remove all that boring stuff about box set videos. DBZROCKS 12:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: If anything, the box set stuff should be in 'releases'. Or we should make a 'List of Dragon Ball Z media' page and include it in there VelocityEX 02:53, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure but it the box set stuff should be really trimmed down right now it takes up too much space.DBZROCKS 12:44, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the main page problem 

message: :After reviewing the recent merges to the lists I had a few ideas for them. instead of having it as one big list dividing it up without making another list would be good take list of earthlings you could divide it up into animals humans and androids/cyborgs. Aliens could be divided up into Frieza related Charecters Namekians and  miscellaneous aliens. Dieties could be split into The Kai's and dragons (shenlong Xing long etc.) this could make the lists eaiser to follow and more organized. any thoughts? DBZROCKS 22:53, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging thoughts 

message: Can we have some sort of standard? Such as you must have more than 30 edits or so to join? I've seen a lot of users with little to no contributions joining, so I was wondering about this--양복42 17:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A standard would probably be m:Instruction creep. I would simply suggest removing users who do not have enough contributions to participate in the project meaningfully. --Deskana (Alright, on your feet soldier!) 17:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, that's fine--양복42 17:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

text: It seems like Power level (Dragon Ball) is no more... -Dark Dragon Flame 18:23, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Participants 

message: I was looking through some of the minor character articles and I notice that on a few, someone went and put what seem to be a emotional opinionated theory on a couple of pages. For instants on Super 17 page at the end of his Bio/story summary, in the technique and in the trivia section. In the Bio section explains a theroy on how the original A 17 could have been wished back to life. If you read it you see what I mean by an emotional original research. Well I don't mind if some theroies are add but only if it is stated in that why but we can't put emotions into articles as it can ruin it as this is a encyclopedia not a personal forum or theory site. We need to watch how we add stuff to articles. Many things like theories and adding things that you know is true but keeps getting erased or people don't want to add for some reason or another. Heat P 16:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I know what you mean I had to do some serious editing on the android 18 article because it was loaded with thoeries and video game information. example: Max power:puts Android 18 into max power mode and lets her use her utimate blast. WTF? DBZROCKS 21:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emotionl  statements on article pages 

message: :seeing as how the number of lists has been cut down completely (see my thoughts on it on Merging thoughts) and that the Dragonball Z Page lists the movies twice can we delete the list of movies page I was just there and it looks pretty bad. PS:Happy March! DBZROCKS 21:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Dragonball Z movies. 

message: I have been thinking of taking some of these articles in the DBZ section and DBZ sections and translating them to Spanish. I have yet to see the Spanish manual of style for Wiki. I will get it done come hail or high water though.
Bardock the Mexican71.224.32.19 23:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: The Ki (Dragonball) article