Talk:Engelbert Dollfuss

message: The following line in the article appears very much to be an anti-OeVP bit of information : It is rumoured that his portrait still hangs in the ÖVP headquarters.  This is highly unlikely, as it would be of questionable legality under the current legal conditions in Austria.  It seems to be, for the most part, included as an insult against the OeVP by implying that they are fascist.  I shall refrain from removing it yet, if any one wants to disagree and debate this.  If no one does, I'll remove the line in a few days, keeping it here on the talk page so that any one can discuss it and add it back later if they want. Beobach972 16:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks Beobach972 21:09, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Well, I have never seen any newspaper pictures showing the portrait of Dollfuß hanging in the ÖVP headquarter. On the other hand the legal conditions in Austria do not forbid it neither and I think, without having any prove at hand, it is actually hanging in the party's parliamentary office. Gugganij 19:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

text: There's no slander involved, it's a fact reported repeatedly, e.g. http://diepresse.com/home/politik/innenpolitik/weltbisgestern/396232/index.do (July 2008).  Die Presse is a conservative paper close to the OeVP. The location is not the OeVP HQ however but the rooms of their parliamentary club.  --QEDquid (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutrality / Rumours 

message: Can we please shange his name to 'Dolfuß'? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 1950salvador (talk • contribs) 05:22, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No!  Read the rules... 201.19.209.143 22:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Feel free to do it on the german language wikipedia. --NEMT 16:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The thing is, no one named Engelbert Dollfuss ever existed.  Only someone named Engelbert Dolfuß. Its just wrong.  If Novak Đoković gets a page title with those funny letters, the ß should be allowed, as long as this is used:  </br> . --DerRichter (talk) 18:39, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

text: What is this funny wierd thing? I guess I better go to the English version to understand. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 04:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: In reply to Enlil Ninlil, the article has been changed since then.  Notice it redirected because at the time I wrote it, that was how the article was titled.  Thanks for noticing though.  As far as your analogy goes, that is not even an alphabet, but a completely different writing system.  Read the Latin Alphabet article.  Specifically, go to Latin Alphabet#Ligatures.  The German alphabet, according to the article, consists of the same 26 letters as the modern Roman alphabet. But remember to keep the discussion here on topic.  Thanks for your contributions and discussion.  --DerRichter (talk) 06:36, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

text: Ok I dissagree with you, can you tell me when I use that in the funny thing in english? Also the etiopian script is an alphabet arbeit more similar to arabic and cambodian than latin. My analogy is correct in a sence for that letter. Also there was not much of a disscussion down below. DerRichter this is also not an attack on you (just in case you think so) and thanks for you reply. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Fyi my position is now to revert the article back to ss because the last time it was changed, no discussion took place.  I wrote my January post before I realised Wikipedia policy.  Also, part of my January discussion was deleted because this template changed: .  It was slightly different before.  --DerRichter (talk) 02:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't take the neverending discussion about Novak Djokovic/Novak Đoković as a role model. Although WP:GERCON#Alphabet is just a recommendation, it seems fairly reasonable in connection with the foreignchar template at the beginning of the article. --Komischn (talk) 11:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I never meant to do that and would like to completely retract that analogy.  In an unrelated incident, this page was moved to ss on the 14th of July after some discussion. It was moved back to ß on the 2nd of August with no discussion evident.  Maybe that should be reconsidered. --DerRichter (talk) 22:32, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

text: It should only be considered as a lot of english speakers would not know what the letter is, or how to pronouce it. Though they could research it, many wont. The Novak Đoković is a similar analogy as people would say D and not Dj, so also not knowing how to pronounce the name. But his german name should be included in the article introduction. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have to say that it feels a little inconsistent to use "ss" instead of "ß" here, while e.g. the article on Hermann Göring sticks to using "ö" rather than "oe" throughout the article. Am I to believe that the pronunciation of "ö" is widely known among English speakers, then? Calanor (talk) 03:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wenn ich nicht irre, the general practice in English-language publishing, including historiography, is to use ss rather than ß because the latter never appears in English. Regarding Göring rather than Goering, the letter o does of course appear in English and some umlauted vowels show up in English once in a while, so I favor continuing to use them in English articles. As to the putative inability of English speakers to pronounce ö, it's not important to readability or comprehension. Sca (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: PS: Re ö, make your mouth like an o and your tongue like an e. Cheers. Sca (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Or, as for open ö (in front of more than one consonant), just take the sound in "girl" but make it short and utterly non-rhotic.--46.87.139.125 (talk) 18:07, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  it's ß, not ss 

message: This article has zero citations.  For someone who has learned about this in school but not researched it, it sounds pretty true.  But thats not what wikipedia is about.  There needs to be at least some unenthusiastic attempt to cite sources in the article.  Also, there are two heights given for Dolfuß but also no citation.  I think this article is in a sad state right now, but could be really accurate with some effort.  --DerRichter 16:58, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Citations

message: The "Early Life" section has his height at 150 cm. The "Trivia" section has his height at 155 cm. 24.178.228.14 (talk) 16:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article self-contradiction (height) 

message: I removed the most obvious POV statements, but there are many more things that have been added during the last months that are both uncited and are apparently wrong. Mostly somebody tried to distort history into the direction that Dollfuss wasn't a dictator and had "no choice" in eliminating democracy in Austria. Etc. Etc. The article is also in serious need of more citations and additional clean-up. Themanwithoutapast (talk) 11:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 
The result of the proposal was Move.  —Wknight94 (talk) 21:01, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: This article included major POV statements

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Oppose per my discussion below. Additionally, the redirect helps any and all who cannot type in certain diacritics.  --DerRichter (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Wow- okay I am really sorry I got involved in this discussion.  I do not want to be involved with that kind of ethnic nationalism stuff, Pmanderson. My only point was that this move was made when the foreignchar template was deleted, something that happened because the nominator forgot to place a notification on the page.  Additionally I see there should have been a discussion when someone moved this page from Dollfuss to Dollfuß last time as well.  So no matter where this poll goes, I think the page could be reverted to Dollfuss before we discuss anything else. I just gave my position, but forget about it. 70.51.10.197, you may argue on the diacritic talk page about whether it is one or not.  I did not mean to offend.  --DerRichter (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Glad to hear it. In any case, you posted long ago, irritated by a silly decision since reversed. Your opinion is always welcome; but do remember that English isn't German: our standard of correctitude is (English) usage, even with foreign names. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 17:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: I think the trivia section (short stature) is very nice and informative and should not be deleted. Maybe the tag that is hanging there since 2007 should be taken down. --CopperKettle 08:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have boldly modified the title and removed the template. --Austrian (talk) 14:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Trivia

message: The article should be named Engelbert Dollfuß, and it should especially not make the impression there ever was an Austrian politician called Dollfuss. It does this currently in an - imo - unacceptable way: Funny that only the sources mention his actual name. --Regression Tester (talk) 15:20, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move (again?) 

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message: The article states: "Together with occasional allies like Arthur Seyss-Inquart, Robert Hohlbaum and Hermann Neubacher, he distinguished himself as a German nationalist and antisemite." This statement is not referenced. I am unable to find any statements by Dollfuss that are anti-Semitic, which is not to say there aren't any. Does anybody have a reference/evidence that this is true? I'm also not sure that he ever aligned himself with the German Nationalist movement. Is there any evidence of that? -- unsigned by User:Jafdip, 05:05, 27 January 2018
: I have added a disputed tag because I am unable so far to find any reliable source evidencing that Dollfuss was anti-Semitic. -- unsigned by User:Jafdip, 00:58, 10 February 2018‎
::According to German historian Harald Lönnecker (see German Wikipedia), in 1920 Dollfuß tried to introduce an official Aryan paragraph for the Cartellverband, although his faction lost the vote. See Lönnecker's Die Versammlung der „besseren Nationalsozialisten“? - Der Völkische Waffenring (VWR) zwischen Antisemitismus und korporativem Elitarismus (p. 7). --2003:EF:1702:7976:C494:9D24:23CA:3DD7 (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dollfuss was antisemitic