Talk:Sderot

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I’m confused why the term “depopulated” is used to describe forced expulsion—-which clearly amounts to ethnic cleansing. This article has a clear Zionist bis and attempts to white wash crimes against humanity.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.96.63.3 (talk) 01:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

message: I removed this text  - which appeared under the heading "ETHNIC CLEANSING" - as it is POV:
: Originally an Arab Palestinian town (NAJD), it was ethnically cleansed and destroyed by the Israeli forces and by zionist settlers from 1948 on. You can check more information about this at PALESTINE REMEMBERED project ( www.palestineremembered.com ) : http://netfinity2.PalestineRemembered.com/Gaza/Najd/
There is no reason that this page should not contain a disucussion of how and to what extent the demographics
of the town have changed since 1948, but this should consist of more than a raw POV statement and a link to
an external site. Molinari 20:38, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Hi.  At one point I altered the heading "City in siege" to "City under siege",
which is the normal expression in English.  (More accurately, I should say that
it is the normal expression in my version of English;  I grew up in Australia.)
This change was later reverted.  Is there some specific reason why "in siege"
is preferred to "under siege" in this context? Molinari 20:33, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: "City under siege" vs "City in siege"

message: Any details on the flowering relationship between the Eli Moyal, the Mayor of Sderot and the Mayor of Los Angeles. They declared each other unofficial (it might even be official, in addition to or in place of Eilat) sister-cities during the bombing particularly in July 2006 and Mayor Villaraigosa declared it in a speech to some 10,000 people in Los Angeles in late July about his phone call being cut off by a Qassam. Valley2city 06:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Relationship between Mayor Moyal and Mayor of Los Angeles 

message: The article continually repeats the line "According to CBS", but there are no links or reference listings to support this.  It would be helpful if someone could track down the link, or otherwise properly attribute the date in the article.Aervanath 15:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proper references? 

message: Just to be clear: Sderot was not built on farming lands, this area is mountainous and most of it is sand dunes which are present to this day.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.176.28 (talk) 10:48, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Najd, etc. 

message: Informally, I suggest removing the part of this section recording certain events or splitting into another article. Most of these dates are insignificant and detract from the article. --Shuki 19:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  city under attack 

message: palestineremembered.com is a personal website, and a partisan, unreliable source. Please do not use it on Wikipedia. Jayjg (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: see . I'll try to acquire some of the literature mentioned there, to improve the sourcing. As per who's partisan and who isn't, I notice that you don't seem to have objected to edits like this one: . --Soman 14:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I only noticed the article moments ago, haven't edited it before. I'm not sure why you're bringing up stuff from before I'd ever seen it. Regarding palestinerembered.com, despite the use of the royal "we" on that page, it's an anonymous personal website, no different than a million others from what I can see, and far more partisan than many. Please try to use reliable, scholarly sources. Jayjg (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reliable sources 

message: While I wouldn't normally find the resignation (sudden or not) of a mayor to be worth including in an encyclopedia, I think the fact that Eli specifically referenced the rocket attacks as his reason for quitting makes the event significant, so I've added it to the "city under attack" section (which, btw, I have also retitled "City under seige", simply because I adore alliteration. :D Eaglizard (talk) 19:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moyal's resignation 

message: Under whas Wiki rules is a child's drawing used to justify this article as enclopedic? I strongly suggest the drawing be removed. Chaldean (talk) 05:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: What is your problem with that image? I suggest to read the description in :Image:Sderotchilddrawing.jpg. -- Túrelio (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it encyclopedic? Chaldean (talk) 06:02, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that the drawing itself illustrates the trauma that the people of Sderot are going through. While the main ilages should be the standard scenery of the city, for now there is a lack of those pictures. --Shuki (talk) 18:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Call me crazy, but I'd prefer an actual picture of say a bombed house. Not a child's drawing. I have not seen this in any other Wiki page. Chaldean (talk) 07:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Shlama, is it really so hard to understand that this image expresses something different ("has another message") and far deeper than an image of a bombed house?</br>I have not seen this in any other Wiki page. If that had been taken as an argument by Jimbo, there would be no Wikipedia. Sorry, couldn't resist. As to my knowledge, fair use is legally valid only here on :en. Also, you are free to take the effort to obtain a comparable picture of a palestinian, assyrian, or african child for example about the life as a refugee and procure a fitting license/FU rationale. -- Túrelio (talk) 10:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: No, children's drawings aren't encyclopedic, this is an encyclopedia, not an art forum - look at the following links :   . Photographs are much more important. thestick (talk) 19:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the use of a child's drawing is perfectly encyclopedic. It shows some of the psychological impact of the rocket attacks. However, it should not be the only image in the article - there should be a photo of the city, and perhaps one of damage done by the rocket fire too. Also, it should if possible accompany text discussing the impact of rocket attacks. Saluton (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: A Child's drawing used in the article

message: I think anyone following the situation in Sderot will be interested that a documentary filmaker with a proven track record and funding has a crew there making a movie. More than one publication found this interesting enough to run an article.  I think the banner is unwarrented.Elan26 (talk) 18:34, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, scenes from Unsettled were filmed there.Wikidemon (talk) 10:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Sderot in film

message: Where is the evidence that Hamas is organising and actually firing rockets into Israel? As far as I remember, it was not Hamas but Islamic Jihad. You confuse the issues if you lump all these groups together.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.91.5 (talk) 22:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The statement is sourced. Where is the evidence that Hamas was not involved? Remember, we're talking about the entire 2000–2008 period here, not just the 'truce' of 2008. On a side note, please register an account. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 20:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Evidence lacking

message: "These have killed 8 residents, wounded hundreds, caused millions of dollars in damage..."
Where is the evidence of "millions of dollars in damage"? Most Qassams don't damage anything. While all humans should be free of fear from rocket attack, the claims of "millions of dollars in damage" are nothing more than propaganda.
Put up the proof or remove the fallacious references.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardkeefe57 (talk • contribs) 21:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I have added a source per your request. In the future, please refrain from making baseless accusations of propaganda if you do not have the reliable sources to back up your own claims. Thanks, Ynhockey (Talk) 23:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  'Millions of dollars in damage"?? 

message: Saluton recently unilaterally re-added some information about the village Najd. The information was removed many times by several different users, because it belongs in the main article, Najd, Gaza, which is linked in the text. I cannot see how capture of the town by the Negev Brigade is relevant to the city of Sderot, or its history, which started in 1953. I don't oppose a brief mention of Najd, just so anyone can follow the link and read for themselves, but who captured it or why is not relevant to Sderot. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 17:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: What Walid Khalidi actually writes is not that Sderot was built on the side of Najd, but that it was build on "village lands" implying agricultural fields.160.39.35.50 (talk) 23:19, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Information about Najd 

message: Mr "True man" (as opposed one presumes to lesser breeds of humans) has been reverting attempts to establish neutrality on this page.  Is there a way he can be banned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.61.100.212 (talk) 18:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism by Philip trueman 

message: While the IDF (Israeli Defence Force) criticizes Palestinian militants for using "human shields" in their continuing political struggle against Israeli expansionism, the truth of the use of "human shields" in Sderot is not even visited.  Driven from Najd in the 1948 war, Palestinians have never given up their claim to the land that encompasses Sderot.  What Israel has done is to use immigrants (and their children) as a human "buffer zone" between the encircled Gaza Strip and the rest of Israel.  When Palestinian militants (Jihad, Hamas) retatliate against the continued Israeli occupation the nearest "target" happens to be Sderot, which is populated by recent arrivals.  While Israel continues in its aggression against Palestinians, and their attempts at ethnic cleansing, they use attacks on Sderot as justification for their continued escalation of attacks on Gazan Palestinians, denying the fact that Israel placed their own citizens in harm's way.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.126.170.20 (talk) 17:12, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human Shields 

message: . What do you guys think? No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Most heavily bombed place in the world? 

message: Per  and , Sderot has been fired on more recently than May. I doubt a "last hit" counter is truly necessary, would it be possible to remove the (broken) cite? 70.134.92.20 (talk) 03:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Latest shellings 

message: There are those that insist that history of Sderot include biased/controversial information that is off topic. There are other wiki pages dedicated to those topics. Those that continue to post should be punished for vandalism.67.142.167.23 (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems that this applies more to you than to those you criticize. The sourced part that you've removed had been worked on by a regular editor of that article and was sourced. --Túrelio (talk) 07:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh really, and who would that be? And what makes a regular editor someone who vandalises regularly.204.15.6.65 (talk) 01:33, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit war 

message: A comparison between the population density of the Gaza Strip (which is a territory, and not a city) to the density of Sderot (which is a town, and not a territory) is as irrelevant as a comparison between apples and oranges. A comparable statistic is the population density of Gaza City and that of Sderot. In this case we remark that Gaza City has a population density of almost 10,000/sq.km. compared to Sderot's ca. 4,000/sq.km. This makes Gaza City more than twice as dense as Sderot, not the other way around.
163.1.208.193 (talk) 21:47, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removed population density comparison 

message: Is there any specific reason why the Sderot page has a section for "Palestinian Attacks on Israel", but the ENTIRE GAZA STRIP page has nothing on the Israeli attacks?
Why is there a child's drawing? Gaza have been under much heavier attack than Israel, and arguably even more Psychological trauma. Why doesn't the Gaza page say anything about the thousands of murders in the introductory paragraphs? This article is seriously horrifying
Cut the fucking bullshit propaganda and start being Neutral.
:Let's start being neutral by deleting your noninformative Israel hating comments, jackass.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.72.65.162 (talk) 02:31, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: 1. sign your comments 2. it has nothing to do with neutrality, it is a major part of the life there 3. removed the neutrality tag as nobody opposes to it-- Someone35  18:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Coatrack 

message: I added the names, ages, and dates of death for eleven of the victims. The article says there have been a total of thirteen deaths, and I tried to list them all, but I could not find the names of the other two. Does anyone else know? --96.60.169.178 (talk) 21:03, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Why the heck do we have this paragraph??  Shall we add similar paragraph, to say, each and every place on the Gaza strip??  I suggest that this paragraph is removed, or changed into "11 residents were killed by rocket fire between 2004 and 2008."Huldra (talk) 20:32, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Casualties 

message: There appears to be a dispute about the value of adding images of buildings in Sderot being subject to rockets. I have yet to get a good reason as to why the images are removed seeing as there are many pages that depict similar material in similar quantities. 
I am of the opinion that we ought to keep the images as they show a side to the conflict that is rarely seen if ever and thus contribute to a greater understanding.
Iwant2write (talk) 21:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Huh?? Presently 7 (out of 11) pictures in the article are related to the rocket-attacks. What this article desperately  needs, are more pictures *not* relating to the attacks. Huldra (talk) 20:08, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dispute over images 

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message: In History, another source of: "The development was located on the land of the Palestininan village of Najd which was depopulated during 1948 Arab-Israeli War" is
All That Remains : The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948. Khalidi, Walid. Washington, D.C.: Institute for Palestine Studies. 1992. p. 128. ISBN 0-88728-224-5. OCLC 25632612.
I can't edit by myself due to WP:ARBPIA4 edit restrictions.
Thanks!  User:Huldra Bustan1498 (talk) 19:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Jack Frost (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  History 

message: in the lede, the number of yards (919) (for what we only now indicate in meters). --2604:2000:E010:1100:68A0:D758:F52B:2D8B (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add 

message:  2604:2000:E010:1100:68A0:D758:F52B:2D8B (talk) 01:07, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add 

message: *Shimon Amsalem (born 1966), basketball player
--2603:7000:2143:8500:508B:C400:F170:5B (talk) 09:16, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please add under notable residents .. 

message: Under Culture, last paragraph mentions missing citation for the Dror Kessler's activity in Sderot. You may use this walla item: https://news.walla.co.il/item/2869795  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dror27 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing citation 

message: The hyperlink here in this page's first line, "Article merged: See old talk-page here" leads to a page with "Talk:Sderot cinema From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sderot_cinema but otherwise empty. Mcljlm (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk-page 

message: Section #1 History includes both "The town was renamed Sderot after the Eucalyptus boulevard planted along the length of the town, whose planting provided employment to the residents of the settlement." and "Sderot received a symbolic name, after the numerous avenues and standalone rows of trees planted in the Negev, especially between Beersheba and Gaza, to combat desertification and beautify the arid landscape." separated by a paragraph. Perhaps they should be merged. The Hebrew articlehttps://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A9%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA#%D7%94%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%94 has שדרות קיבלה את שמה לציון האקליפטוסים שנטעו על ידי הקרן הקיימת לאורך כבישי הנגב translated by Google as "Sderot got its name from the eucalyptus trees planted by the Jewish National Fund along the roads of the Negev.".  Mcljlm (talk) 11:40, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Renaming   

message: I'm offering this picture as a better one of the city's skyline: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sderot_from_above.jpg Nizzan Cohen (talk) 06:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Picture 

message: Is there a section on Najd? 88.97.108.45 (talk) 10:31, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there a section on Najd? 

message: Why has the history been deleted?  It was there last month. 88.97.108.45 (talk) 10:32, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why has the history been deleted? 

message: I think the cinema paragraphs should be a separate subsection, along with a the viral image of the people watching.  Hovsepig (talk) 16:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sderot cinema 

message: I'm not sure what's going on here or how to fix it. But the population template seems to only work with a different spelling. 
I don't know if this is an error in the pop template  that can or should be fixed? or if it's a valid alternate Romanization that should be mentioned on this page? 
Is it definitely the right place?
I'm not sure how that template works? The Israeli government website that the template uses  links to the website https://www.cbs.gov.il/en/settlements/Pages/default.aspx?mode=Yeshuv  and that seems to use the "Sederot" spelling in the table, but searching for either "Sederot" or "Sderot" gets nuls and dead links.  
So I'm stumped.
Irtapil (talk) 04:10, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not sure what the issue is here, as the spelling "Sederot" does not appear in the article; it's simply a bit of code used in the background to allow the population to be shown here. The reason for that spelling being used in  is that this spelling is used by the CBS. The easiest way to update the template is to copy the contents into Excel and use a vlookup, which requires the same spelling to be used. Number 57 09:28, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird Spelling in population template