Talk:Baháʼí House of Worship

message: Seriously, is there are plan to update this page about "seven" Baha'i Temples in the world? I would do it, but you guys don't usually like my edits.--I'm Nonpartisan 17:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Baha'i Temple in Chile

message: The visit of Abdu'l-Baha to Green Acre in 1912 was undoubtedly a great consolation to Sarah. I was also the single most important occurrance in Green Acre's history. Five hundred people greeted Him upon arrival. His week long stay underlined the significance of the property and the importance of Sarah's vision for the future.
During His stay at the inn, Abdu'l-Baha gave public talks that were fundamental to the Baha'i view of education and human development. He urged His listeners to study 'reality' so that the union of opinions and expressions may be obtained. Additionally, Abdu'l-Baha shared with Sarah and others His vision of the future of Green Acre. He said to Sarah as they reviewed to location of the great university her efforts had made possible:
"This is hallowed ground made so by your vision and sacrifice. Always remember this is hallowed ground which I am pointing out to you. This is where the first Baha'i University will be built; this is where the second Baha'i Temple in the United States will be raised"
http://bahai-library.com/essays/greenacre.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.162.25 (talk) 16:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Eliot, Maine USA

message: I noticed that Karachi, Pakistan is listed as a potential construction location. However, it's not highlighted green as the other countries are on the map. Could someone please edit or change the map?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.147.186 (talk) 09:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Change of map required

message: I recently took some pictures of the Wilmette House which I'm willing to put up, but I'm not sure how best to present them, and I don't have any text that I could really put with it besides "wow, take a look at that fancy concrete work." So if anyone wants to expound on the architecture of that particular structure and wants some pictures to go with it, let me know. (I'll release them under some nice license or public domain. They're ok, but nothing award winning. I know how to use a camera, and I was using a decent one, but I didn't really take the time to try and take really nice shots. It was awfully cold.) --jkominek 21:29, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Pictures

message: Actually, I'm more partial to having the Houses of Worship listed in order of construction, as opposed to alphabetically (and even alphabetically, shouldn't they be by country rather than by city?).  Anyone opposed to changing it back?
Keldan 19:00, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you Keldan, they should be in order of construction.  Can you please change their order to match that. -- Jeff3000 20:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed with respect to the Mother Temples. MARussellPESE 20:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Order

message: Is this actually true? Because as I'm sure everyone here knows the Bahai religion is not legally recognized in Iran and they are a persecuted group (extremely doubtful that this will ever change under the current system), so this doesn't quite add up. SouthernComfort 21:05, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The article actually states that.  Until the Islamic government disallows it, it won't go forward, but it is still planned. -- Jeff3000 21:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: "A site has been selected, and plans drawn for the Bahá'í Temple of Tehran, Iran, but Iranian government action has thus far blocked the start of construction." IMHO, this is far too simplistic and ambiguous an explanation, all things considered. Based on this sentence, one might assume there was an attempt at construction, or at least some sort of communication with the authorities about it, which would seemingly be impossible considering the fact that one can end up in prison and possibly worse due to being Bahai. If the plans have been drawn to construct the temple for when the government changes or the restrictions lifted, whichever comes first, then that would make more sense. Sort of like when a "government in exile" is established. I'm just thinking there's a lot more to be said than one sentence. SouthernComfort 22:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Planned construction of temple in Iran?

message: I just would like to point out that 120 sites have been chosen for future houses of worship. not just the 3 shown here. Pure inuyasha 01:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This is a good interesting inclusion to the article. It aroused my curiousity. Could you please feed this curiousity by providing a reference? Thank you. -LambaJan 03:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sure!  at the bottom of the page. Pure inuyasha 04:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: 120 planned sites

message: Perhaps we should have a list showing all 120 sites? Pure inuyasha 00:40, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it's needed.  Having a list is not that interesting. -- Jeff3000 02:12, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well I personally thought it would be nice to know if one's planned in my area. Pure inuyasha 02:23, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Expand list of future structures

message: How could it be annexed? someone please fix this. Zazaban 20:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Good catch.  Fixed.  Keldan 21:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Turkmenistan not a country back in 1918. 

message: I feel the external links in this article are a bit messy: some are in the text, others in the reference section, other again in the external link section. I think the external link section would be preferabe for all of them. Also, the satelite image of Wilmette could be deleted, as it appears again on the Google Earth link website. Wiki-uk 04:48, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. -- Jeff3000 13:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This has been done now. Wiki-uk 11:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Structuring external links

message: The article now states: 'The temple at one point also was associated with a "home for the aged," operated by the Baha'i community. The Baha'i home has since closed.' Does anyone know when it was opened, when it was closed, and why? Wiki-uk 11:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Home for the aged at Wilmette

message: Putting the pictures left and right makes this article, with short entries on each item, quite 'restless'. Does anyone have any suggestions? Wiki-uk 11:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Layout

message: According to www.bahaitemple.org, the website of the temple in Wilmette, the Panama City temple is the "Mother Temple of Latin America", not Central America, and Sydney's is the "Mother Temple of the Antipodes", not Australasia. In addition, several are not listed at all: Western Samoa's is the "Mother Temple of the Pacific Islands", India's is the "Mother Temple of the Indian Subcontinent", and Wilmette's is the "Mother Temple of the West".  I didn't want to change the ones that are "wrong" in case they're based on something more reliable (than an official website?), and by extension I didn't add the others because I think they should probably all conform to one source.  Anybody care to help on that? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tjrudebeck (talk • contribs) .
:I've gone through some Baha'i literature and these are the wordings I've found:
:*Wilmette
::*"Mother Temple of the West" (Citadel of Faith)
:*Sydney
::*"Mother Temple of Australia" (Citadel of Faith) 
::*"Mother Temple in the heart of Australasia" (Letters from the Guardian to Australia and New Zealand)
::*"Mother Temple of the Antipodes" (Letters from the Guardian to Australia and New Zealand)
::*"Mother Temple of Australia" (Messages to the Baha'i World - 1950-1957) 
:*Kampala
::*"Mother Temple of Africa" (Citadel of Faith)
:*Langenhain
::*"Mother Temple of Germany" (Citadel of Faith)
::*"Mother Temple of Europe" (Messages to the Baha'i World - 1950-1957)
::*"Mother Temple of Europe" (The Light of Divine Guidance v I)
:*Delhi
::*"Mother Temple of the Indian Subcontinent" (A Wider Horizon, Selected Letters 1983-1992)
:*Panama City
::*"Mother Temple of Latin America" (Haziratu'l Quds and Mashriqu'l Adhkar)
::*"Mother Temple of Latin America" (Messages from the Universal House of Justice 1968-1973)
:*Samoa
::*"Mother Temple of the Pacific Islands" (Messages 1963 to 1986)
:*Santiago
::*"Mother Temple of South America" (The Universal House of Justice, Ridvan 158, 2001)
:So some should be changed. Regards, -- Jeff3000 02:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mother temple of _________ 

message: The first paragraph doesn't properly explain what a Bahá'í House of Worship actually is. Can someone please fix this? Scharb 05:44, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You mean a straight forward declarative sentence? Why that would be too obvious. <Good catch.> MARussellPESE 06:40, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Description 

message: I went looking to find information on all 120 planned sites. i didn't find it, but I found a listing of all the sites chosen by 1963. The information has been added to the article. Zazaban 23:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other sites 

message: The huge infobox is..... weird. Anyone else think It should have it's own article and not have the infobox here? Zazaban 23:02, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is definitely weird; I don't think it should have an infobox, or a separate page; there is not enough information for each house of worship to have it's own page. -- Jeff3000 23:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wilmette Temple. 

message: The article claims that the Baha'i House of Worship in Delhi is the most visited building in the world, but with no reference, this seems really unlikely, does anyone know if this is true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 140.247.144.223 (talk • contribs) .
That DOES seem very unlikely. However, there is a souce and it should be included.  Zazaban 04:36, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Delhi Temple

message: Could I have a blank world map? I need it for something I plan to add to this article. Zazaban 00:21, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Black World Map. 

message: Fiji is not highlighted in light green. There is in fact one planned there. Zazaban 20:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Error on Map 

message: References should all be in place for slight edit of Australia Temple.  I attended a meeting last night with the architect of the Chile Temple, and there is quite a lot of new information to add.  For instance, did you know that materials for the contruction of the temple are currently being fabricated in Toronto?  He predicts three years from groundbreaking to completion.  Anyway, there's lots more information available for every Temple on this page.  Let's get together and make an effort this summer to upgrade.--I'm Nonpartisan 20:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrading Content 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Chile2.jpg

message: I finally made the correction so that the page links with the biography page for John Joseph Earley, but his page could be greatly expanded, and it needs a paragraph about the Baha'i Temple, which he believed was his greatest accomplishment.  I can't do this right now as I'm working on another project, but if someone has the time, it's a worthy task.I'm Nonpartisan 05:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  John Joseph Earley 

message: In the first sentence, is it okay to change the word temple to chapel? Temple gives the indication this is a Dharmic religion when it's not.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iwanttoeditthissh (talk • contribs) 09:45, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: No - temple is more neutral - chapel is explicitly Christian. though you are right in that the religions isn't explicitly a dharmic religion. But there are Jewish temples afterall. Smkolins (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: edit request 

message: Our current photos of the Baha'i House of Worship do not reflect the completed restoration project.  I've uploaded some current photos for the editors to look at and to choose to use if they wish.  They are on the commons.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Baha%27i_House_of_Worship,_Wilmette,_Illinois.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Garden_and_fountain_at_the_Baha%27i_House_of_Worship_in_Wilmette,_Illinois.jpg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Baha%27i_House_of_Worship,_Wilmette,_illinois.jpg76.193.178.244 (talk) 13:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Photos 

message: I have made a first attempt at adding this big news to this page, it may be that this is not the correct section, and certainly more links need to be added and a better reference web link for the Ridvan letter, but it's a start.I'm Nonpartisan 17:32, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm removed the addition, because statements need to be published by reliable sources.  Self-published sources such as wordpress don't count.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 18:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

text: Already included. Looking forward to more coverage from the media on this. Smkolins (talk) 19:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

text: I like it. Smkolins (talk) 00:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Seven new Houses of Worship 

message: Hello friends,
Since I never seem to do this the right way, the first time, here is a link to an article in 2012 which gives the date of the signing for the construction contract for the HOW in Chile, which should have some updated information in it's entry: http://news.bahai.org/story/891I'm Nonpartisan 16:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  HOW Chile 

message: Hello Friends,
I stopped by to pick up some links for the course I'm building over at the Wilmette Institute about the Mashriqu'l-Adhkár (April 1) and instead have been doing a lot of linkage repair.  I know that you all are working hard, but perhaps we can schedule a day, time, task chart for checking links on all the pages, as they do expire, and since many pages have been built, there are improved resources. I'm Nonpartisan 00:16, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Upgrading this Webpage 

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message: Do we say that there are 8 Houses of Worship, or 9? Currently the text of the article reads "There are currently eight Bahá'í Houses of Worship. The eighth Bahá'í House of Worship, located near Santiago, Chile, opened its doors on October 19, 2016." and then proceeds to list 9 Houses of Worship, including the one in Battambang, which just opened. So do we change it to 9? Or do we still say there are 8 Houses of Worship? Nadeem.navidi (talk) 03:38, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That should be edited to say 9. Be bold! Cuñado ☼ - Talk 04:57, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  9 Houses of Worship? 

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message: The image showing sites of Houses or Worship has Iran marked in red, which according to legend means there used to be a House of Worship in the country. The article text gives no indication of this, though. Is there a reason for this? Gazelle55 (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm pretty sure that's wrong. Turkmenistan was first, then Chicago. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 22:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay, makes sense. Will fix it when I find time. Gazelle55 (talk) 23:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was about to comment on this lol. Good that people have taken notice. dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 02:40, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

text:  I checked out the file and there seems to have been confusion about the difference between "Bahá'í centres" (Haziratu'l-Quds in Persian) and "Bahá'í houses of worship" (Mashriqu'l-Adkhar in Persian). There were none of the latter yet in Iran, but many of the former—in fact the dome of the National Baha'i centre in Tehran was destroyed by a mob in a very high-profile incident in 1955, if memory serves. That would be for a different map though! dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 07:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: I've never figured out how to make those maps so I don't know how to fix it. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 18:47, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I've never done images on Wikipedia before but the current file says that it was created from a template. Those are available at this page. Kenya and Vanuatu also needed to be added. I hope to get to it eventually though I'll have to do some reading about images first. Gazelle55 (talk) 00:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'll give it a try. dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 09:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

text:  Done. Any thoughts? dragfyre_ʞןɐʇc 10:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wow, looks great to me, . I like how you added different colors for the city locations too. This is a big improvement. Gazelle55 (talk) 15:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is Iran marked on the map? 

message: I removed the reference to Mr Rustamptir donating a "major part" of the land for the Indian temple. The source says that he contributed about 71% of the money that was used to buy the land, not including the construction of the building. I don't know how to convert rupees into dollars, but I would guess the cost of land was pretty cheap compared to the temple. The story comes from the Baha'i News Service and the point of the story was to emphasize the sacrifice that he made, and it seems out of step with the rest of the article to put that detail in there. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 16:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fundraising 

message: Well, the infoboxes don't fit because there's not enough text for them to float through. What if I made a gallery of the infoboxes at the bottom of the section? You could scroll side to side to see them all. Cuñado ☼ - Talk 20:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an interesting idea, though there are twelve temples already and the infoboxes would really start to pile up. Is there any precedent for having a gallery of infoboxes in an article? I've only seen one infobox per article in the past. Gazelle55 (talk) 23:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
replies: text:  Oh, also—this info mostly duplicates what is already at List of Baháʼí Houses of Worship. Maybe it could just be added there and then we could have a more standard gallery featuring just images? Gazelle55 (talk) 23:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

text: I recommend merging everything into the table at List of Baháʼí Houses of Worship, then move that table to the bottom of this page in its own section, then redirect that page to here. Then maybe the remaining pictures in the text could be grouped into galleries every once in awhile? Cuñado ☼ - Talk 22:45, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text:  Infoboxes are gone. I put the info from the infoboxes into the text with sources and made a gallery for images at the bottom. If the number of images increases a lot it might be good to split it into multiple interspersed galleries like you said. As for merging in the list page, you can propose it if you think it's a good idea and get some more opinions. Imo, list pages are often not good where the thing being listed isn't well defined... but in this case it's pretty clear what is and isn't a Baha'i House of Worship so I thought it was a reasonable page to have. Gazelle55 (talk) 16:41, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infoboxes 

message: An IP editor made a number of changes to the article several hours ago. While some of the changes were good tweaks, some changes were not good:
* They added claims that are not in the sources.
* They removed a paragraph sourced to academic literature with no explanation.
* They added material without a source.
* They added material using a source that doesn't meet Wikipedia's reliable sources guideline (which can be seen at WP:RS).
I am going to revert the problematic changes (while preserving the good changes). Please realize I am not trying to be uncooperative... if you would like me to explain further about why I made these changes or want to discuss improvements to the article, just let me know here or on my talk page. Best, Gazelle55 (talk) 12:54, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reverting edits by an IP editor