Talk:Red vs. Blue/Archive 7

message: Sandpiper made an admirable attempt at clarifying points deemed unclear, but I revised the edit further:
*Since sentences were shuffled, the context introducing Halo: Combat Evolved had to be moved as well.
*I diagree that the storyline structure and extra videos belong in the lead. The lead needs to be a broad overview; understanding the structure of the storyline isn't as important as understanding why Red vs Blue is important, for example. I moved that paragraph back down to Plot.
*I added a little context for Halo 2 and Master Chief himself.
*"Showboating" was indeed not the berst word there.
*"never mentions that character in Halo" is misleading, but, to Sandpiper's defense, I can now see how he misread the original phrase "never mentions that character as part the Covenant from Halo".
— TKD::Talk 01:33, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Further revision of Sandpiper's edit 

message: I just did some more thorough reference checking, and had to remove or reword some points that weren't exactly implied by the sources in the previous wordings. I also removed the category :Category:Absurdist fiction, because, per previous discussions, there's a little room for interpretation as to whether or not Red vs Blue fits the bill. The most NPOV that we can be is to attribute the claim to someone (in this case, Graham Leggat),  and leave it at that. On the flip side, I did find a serious academic paper to cite, which only bolsters the claim that Red vs Blue was the "first big success" of machinima. — TKD::Talk 03:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My citation changes 

message: Here's a question. In Red vs Blue: Out of Mind, multiple scenes go against the Halo 2-is-the-future-bomb-blew-up continuity. Scenes of Tex's training and the implantation of O'Malley into her head, events set before Blood Gulch Chronicles, are depicted in Foundation, and Tex/O'Malley's subsequent escape spans multiple Halo 2 maps, however, not a map from Halo 1 was used. Furthermore, she meets another solider from the program, York, and they wander through multiple backdrops of Halo 2 maps set as one large city, yet no references to the idea that they're supposed to be set thousands of years in the future due to the bomb of episode 43 is made. Interestingly, a hologram depiction of York's AI uses a Halo 1 model Spartan. Now, granted, the appearance of Vic Jr. cleared most "the world has been destroyed, only the Red vs Blue cast survived" theories about what actually happened, but either Rooster Teeth has plenty of exposition planned, or some continuity's being sacrificed here. I understand that Out of Mind was created to take advantage of Xbox Live Marketplace and high-definition, so my thoughts are that the training scenes in Foundation were just oversight after the idea of shooting in Halo 2 hi-def was established in Rooster Teeth's minds. But...blah, I don't want to think about it anymore. -- Viewdrix 21:24, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I wouldn't worry too much about it. No rule says that they have to restrict usage the games by their own story timeline. — TKD::Talk 03:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Burnie has said in a thread that the reason they didn't use Halo 1 for the training scenes will be explained later. -- Viewdrix 05:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  My head hurts. 

message: Does anyone remember?
Pece Kocovski 01:15, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was a high-traffic notice that was up when Rooster Teeth linked to us from their website. — TKD::Talk 01:35, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: The message doesn't need to be up there forever, only when the impact is greatest — i.e., when the posting first appears. It was up for over a month. The purpose is to alert that the associated article may have new editors coming in from an external site, not really as a form of "recognition" or anything. — TKD::Talk 10:08, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

text: To my knowledge, no, Rooster Teeth has never edited Wikipedia. Given the standards laid out by WP:AUTO, it would be improper for them to edit articles about themselves except to correct vandalism or uncontroversial factual errors. — TKD::Talk 13:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: So they can't edit the facts about the in-series universe? Dac 13:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Correcting obvious, clear-cut errors is one thing. But anything that would be original research for us to write applies to the creators of fiction as well. Wikipedia is not the place to establish canon. We rely on other published sources, possibly the fiction itself, to do that for us. — TKD::Talk 14:03, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  hey wasn't there a message on top that said, the Re vs blue website noticed this or something? 

message: Just out of curiousity, is there a reason there's no period in Vs.? or was it just stylistically how it was written and it's stuck now? TheHYPO 04:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The logo doesn't use it, so it's become known as both, and one was chosen for consistency. Besides, and extra period is a hassle. ;p -- Viewdrix 15:22, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Per the requested move, I've done the leg work and updated the name where I could find it. — TKD::Talk 04:33, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  No period in Vs.? 

message: *Support per rationale above. — TKD::Talk 16:56, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: Is Delta really necessary?  His entire appearance revolves around York and his actions are included in York's section of the character page. Dac 05:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I let him stay because York was there. However, I'm not really a big fan of Delta or Vic Jr. being in the list, either. I'd prefer that all three go until they have more impact on the series. I mean, the Grunts appeared in more episodes than these characters. What do others think? — TKD::Talk 07:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'd like to take out Gary, Vic Jr., York and Delta. None of them have turned out to be vital to the overall direction of the plot. The only possible exception is Gary, though I feel more that the "trapped inside with a time bomb" scenes were written in order for Gary to stop the clock and seem important, and otherwise, he's just commented on everything else going on. -- Viewdrix 21:50, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed Vic Jr., York, and Delta for now. — TKD::Talk 10:25, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

text: I argue that Out of Mind could have been written to the same end without him or a substitute character. By comparison, the Alien died, but he created the entire Quest and Tucker's Baby plots. -- Viewdrix 22:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: For me, it's a matter of being part of a significant arc in the big scheme of things. York deserves a substantial mention in the Red vs. Blue: Out of Mind article, definitely. But OoM is somewhat minor, a side plot, in the overall series. I think that you could argue for Gary's presence in the supporting list here due to his presence throughout the latter part of season 3 and the first third or so of season 4. That's a substantial chunk of time. — TKD::Talk 02:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Supporting characters

message: A short interview with Matt Hullum on Computerandvideogames. Maybe it's just my computer, but that page has caused Firefox to crash three times.--Drat (Talk) 14:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. I'm able to open and access it using either IE or FireFox. It doesn't look like there's anything substantially new there. — TKD::Talk 04:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Matt Hullum interview 

message: Do we really need the http://unix.schluting.com/redvsblue/ link? Is there any reason to keep it over the machinima.com link? I'd much prefer to link to a site with some editorial oversight rather than a random archive. — TKD::Talk 06:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  External video archive links 

message: And since, as I remember, the general concensus on last season was waiting until public release before adding plot details, I wrote up a season 5 and episode 78 summary on my user page You can go edit and prepare it there, and move it when the public release comes. -- Viewdrix 15:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Season 5's started. 

message: It should be noted in the distribution section that as of the start of Out of Mind (I think, or at least with Season 5), the black bars have been removed and the resolution of the Low-res videos has been lowered slightly. Most likely to encourage sponsorship. The Filmaker 03:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The lack of black bars is a universal thing in the move to widescreen, which is noted on the Out of Mind page, but should be moved here. -- Viewdrix 23:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Low-Res videos

message: This is just a suggestion, but the summary for Season 4 is way longer than the others and seems to just be a bit long; it's essentially a blow-by-blow account.  Maybe I'm the only one who feels like this, but personally I think it could stand to undergo some condensing.  Your thoughts? Dac 12:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you can condense it further, go ahead. I tried, but most of it seems essential right now, until we get further into season 5 and learn what events matter and what don't. -- Viewdrix 19:27, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, I tried condensing it without leaving out many details.  I think it looks better as one paragraph.  Let me know if I erased anything we needed.  Dac 00:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Season 4 summary

message: I started an experiment to add both Halo 1 and Halo 2 shots of the 8 main characters to their own articles. I found, however, on just doing ,  and  that both images don't always load up. I think it may be a problem with the fact Wikipedia has to resize them, so should I submit the other head shots, and re-submit the Church, Caboose and Donut shots, at 100 pixels each or so? Would that work?
Also, yes, I realise Caboose's backwards season 4 profile picture may not be write for an encyclopedic entry. I thought I'd have uniformity first by adding DVD profile pictures for everyone, and then come up with a replacement Halo 2 Caboose for if anyone noted it. -- Viewdrix 22:41, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, is there a licensing template I should use besides machinima-screenshot, as it is actually a still shot from a DVD menu? -- Viewdrix 22:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  is fine. If it contains game elements used outside their original context, that's the one to use. — TKD::Talk 23:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

text: The images are appearing correctly for me. It might be a cache issue. — TKD::Talk 23:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'll do the other 5. -- Viewdrix 01:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Halo 1 and 2 shots of characters on their pages. 

message: I think that someone should mention somewhere (perhaps in reception) that on the 15th of october they celebrated their 500,000 member User: Dr_P:
:The community itself doesn't directly relate to the series, however. It'd be more appropriate for Rooster Teeth Productions. However, we'd prefer a secondary source, if one exists, to cover the reception and popularity of the site, to mitigate any sort of inherent bias. — TKD::Talk 00:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not to mention the fact that forums often have untold amounts of members with few posts or none at all. On some sites I've seen, only 3-5% of members have ever posted, out of a few thousand to many thousands.--Drat (Talk) 05:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  500,000 members