Talk:David Friedman (composer)

message: I've removed the category "LGBT composers" because a) the article says nothing about his sexuality, and b) because of Wikipedia's Biographies of Living People policy, a statement of his sexuality has to be well sourced.  A picture of him and "his partner" isn't a good source :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: He's pretty open about it in some of the songs that he has recorded as a singer, but you're right, nothing definitive.  I know they are a couple because I know both of them, but I also know that's not Wikipedia verifiability standard.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 22:08, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Is a church service that is recorded and sold on CD a citable source?  David and his partner Shawn were invited to speak about their relationship as guests at Unity Church of New York yesterday.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It would depend on whether the CD has been formally released by a recognised label (equivalent of "published") or is simply 'self-published'. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  LGBT? 

message: In reference to this edit summary, if a published reliable source cannot be found for the events ("play and church programs" aren't formally published, so don't count), then the information is not verifiable and so cannot be included. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: How is whether thay are "controversial" or not relevant? WP:V states: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true." The material that you are edit-warring to reinclude is NOT VERIFIABLE at this time. WP:V goes on to say "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." The material that you are edit-warring to reinclude has been -tagged, and so have been challenged. It cannot be reincluded without citation. WP:V DOES NOT even mention "controversial" other than in the context of WP:REDFLAG right at the end -- therefore it is irrelevant to WP:BURDEN. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 02:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, "
The fact that the albums are available on Amazon should be verifiable enough.  It almost seems like your goal here is to simply destory the article as a troll with ludicrious claims that Friedman didn't write certain things. --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 20:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  "How do I cite play and church programs?" 

message: If this book, http://www.amazon.com/Listen-My-Heart-Songs-Friedman/dp/1423405587/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243281173&sr=8-2, is not a reliable source, then Wikipedia can hardly be considered a reliable source, either.  --Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 19:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is never considered to be, in and of itself, a reliable source. Listen to My Heart: The Songs of David Friedman is at best a marginal source -- certainly not "independent", and thus not adding to WP:Notability, nor suitable as the sole source for this article(per ). HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

text: On further reflection, as it is published by Friedman's own music label, it is WP:SELFPUB, and so the article may not be "based primarily on such sources". HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moved from [[User talk:Hrafn]] 

message: Given that the only third party sources are on Stunt Girrl, wouldn't it be more appropriate to rename and retarget the article to being about that musical? HrafnTalkStalk(P) 10:11, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third party sources & article title 

message: I would note that 14 out of 22 sources in the article appear to be dodgy/primary/otherwise-affiliated -- and that's quite apart from the sources that don't verify their material. This is not a well-sourced article. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Primary sources 

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