Talk:Ratan Tata/Archive 1

message: The article said that Ratan Tata would have been the richest Indian had he not established the Tata Foundation, which engages in charitable work. This is definitely a PoV statement as the claims made thereof cannot be verified. I have changed that to the current version Rao.tushar 10:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

message: Hi all,
I propose the addition of the NELCO years, the TELCO labor dispute and the Russi Modi Controversy in the Career. Ratan has himself admitted that these three events defined his career growth path. Also, now Ratan is credited with the globalization of the Tata Group of Companies.
We should include all of them as they shaped his life as a business executive.
Regards,
Venkatesh--Venkatesh 11:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition of the NELCO years, the TELCO labor dispute, the Russi Mody controversy and Globalization initiatives 

message: Hello.  I'm investigating the validity of the net worth value stated in this article.   I looked at the edit history and found these changes that were made on 19 December by an anonymous user.  The edits added the 50.6 Billion USD figure, but did not cite a source.  They also deleted most of the remainder of the article.  I searched and cannot find any sources supporting this figure.  I did find several similar numbers, but they either referred to company revenue (not net worth), or they were in rupees (not USD).  I suspect that the edits are either a misinterpretation of the facts or are intentional misinformation.  Can anyone find a source to confirm or refute this net worth figure?  Thank you.  -- Tcncv (talk) 00:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm removing it for now.  if a reliable source is located, it can be added back in.  -- Tcncv (talk) 06:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

text: It makes no sense. Ratan Tata doesn't have an "effective right" over the charitable trusts. Ratan Tata's net worth is only 1 billion. Its irrelevant that 50+ Billion USD Is locked up in trusts - it doesn't make it his "effective property." That would be a complete bastardization of the rationale of holding assets in charitable trusts. Sanyasi (talk) 22:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: One can't deny the fact that the Tatas' earned it even if they don't own in outright now. And the fact that they placed it in a trust might probably say something about the values that they cherish and hold dear. Thanks.Civilizededucation (talk) 12:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This still doesn't seem clear - he has an "income that is worth 300 million"? does that mean he makes 300 million a year?  Prettyoldflowers (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

text: Charity trusts are just to evade taxes. all that money is owned by Tata by several sub clauses.If he wants he can buy a delhi sized island with it and convert it into a casino with it.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.195.103 (talk) 08:53, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Net worth 

message: there is no reason why the criticism should be in the article for ratan tata- it should be in the tata group page only. "Mamata Banerjee did not have the support of the people" - is not relevant to Ratan Tata's life and can be disputed.trakesht (talk) 02:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no reason why Budhadeb Bhattacharjee and Narendra Modi's role should be mentioned here. The topic is Ratan Tata  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.24.11.6 (talk) 19:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

text: what amazing logic. also you can say we can have an article that is just written by Tata himself or even better Nira Radia. and no one else should touch it!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.241.195.103 (talk) 09:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism 

message: Can someone please insert the disambiguation notice at the top for Sir Ratan Tata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratanji_Dadabhoy_Tata)? Thanks!--Altonego (talk) 19:03, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation 

message: The chairman of Tata Sons is the position that makes Ratan Tata chairman to Tata group. It may be trivial but taking into account the history of Tata's in India and that Tata Sons [which is a charitable institution] controls Tata Group, I think that at least in the first paragraph and info group, the occupation of Tata should be changed to chairman of Tata Sons. Kc27 (talk) 06:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: What you say is right, but the distinction will be lost on most readers. Tata Group is what is known, not Tata Sons, so I'd say that the infobox should retain Tata Group, but the article body should mention that he's chairman of the group because of his status as chairman of Tata Sons. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 14:01, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tata Group Vs Tata Sons 

message: Please add to the Awards and recognition section:
On 8 August 2008 the Indian Institute of Technology Bombay conferred on him the Degree of Doctor of Science (Honoris Causa) in recognition of his outstanding contributions to the growth of Indian industry, to the propagation of the values of business ethics and the social responsibilities of business, and to the overall growth of the country.
Source: http://www.iitb.ac.in/Convocation2008/tday2.htm
Anirudh Rao 18:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I would imagine, given your username, that you have a bit of a conflict of interest? Therefore, please could you give a reference to some news source or someting, to demonstrate that this award is significant and notable; I am not convinced that the ref covers it; is there some press coverage? If you can elaborate, please do so, and add a further . Thanks,  Chzz  ►  02:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from Rao.anirudh, 5 August 2010 

message: I just removed vandalism under personal life, where someone had added "(Total Association Total Association)" after his name. TheQw 20:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Some users like spacemanspiff seem to believe that only praise should go into wikepedia for eminent personalities and not critism. Else why did he delete the following edit in personal life:
However, recently in at least two occasions he has been found to be taking active interest in political wheeling dealing for his business interests. First he somewhat forced the State Government of West Bengal to give prime agricultural land for Tata Nano factory in Singur through his connections up to the chief minister level. Ultimately he had to abandon plans for this plant due to huge people unrest.Tata_Nano_Singur_controversy Recently media and tape recording exposes of his and his PR consultant Niira Radia's conversation reveal that he was taking active interest in Congress ministry formation and was lobbying for a particular minister so that his company Tata Teleservices could benifit later in 2G and 3G allocations. . Even though he has personally moved the Supreme Court of India to stop this tape-leaks, the transcripts are already in public domain and most people in India have started to believe that even Tata is ready to compromise on ethics when it comes to business interests. 
When adulation/praise "He is a dynamic and vibrant businessman and is considered as one of the best managers never compromising on ethics and customer care.[10]" stays in?
can some editor explain this please?
59.93.200.103 (talk) 19:11, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The above are just allegations. They have not been proved. If these have to be added to the article, may the user add it in a non-partisan manner and explicitly state it as an allegation. Besides, the Singur controversy clearly shows the stupidity of West Bengal in shooing away good investment opportunity which was eventually awarded to Gujarat. And it also shows the short-sightedness of Mamta Banerjee due to which the state has further fallen into the clutches of Communism!  Besides, the Radia tapes are also just allegations. Please do not brand the man a thief without charges being proved. --Prasadksap (talk) 04:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: The Nira Radia tapes are available on the internet and are not mere "allegations". Just google. I am amazed at your ignorance. I am taging this article for reading like an advertisement of Mr Tata.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsachin (talk • contribs) 08:21, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Only praise should go into Wikipedia and no critisism? 

message: Birthday:
December 28, 1937
About:
Ratan Naval Tata (born December 28, 1937, in Surat) is the present Chairman of the Tata Group, India's largest conglomerate founded by Jamsedji Tata and consolidated and expanded by later generations of his family.
98.193.66.103 (talk) 00:11, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from 98.193.66.103, 21 February 2011 

message: I have significantly rewritten the article. Why there is no mention of the turnaround he constituted in the Tata companies making it one of the biggest companies in India and of the world still stumps me. These are proven facts; and the story of how he overcame his hardships is an interesting and very inspiring one, and i believe are something which readers of wikipedia (who i suspect are mostly young readers) should definitely read about.
As for the recent controversy, let me say a few *unsourced* views: Indian laws are such that it is quite impossible for businesses to survive without being illegal in some way or the other. I am no supporter of big businesses; but i believe that the Tata group has been more honest and less exploitative than any other company(e.g Vedanta). 
Feel free to add a criticism section, but please, don't go overboard with it. Pratik.mallya (talk) 13:17, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The article appears to be much cleaner and better written now.  If there are significant criticisms found in reliable sources that meet WP:DUE, then, yes we can add them.  It is always preferable to integrate criticism with the rest of the article rather than having a separate criticism section, but sometimes it isn't possible.  13:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some improvements 

message: http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report_ratan-tata-successor-likely-by-end-april_1525714
Hey out there! is it correct that Mr Tata has to retire in 2012 cause he gets 75 years old? might be intersting to write in the article. thx  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.217.36.107 (talk) 14:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Since that is yet to happen, there is no reason to include it now. PratikMallya ☎ 15:17, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement 2012 

message: Whose son is he? and need more expansion on the Personal life
I also doubt if he is married. Being a Telco employee, its long been rumored that he is single  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.82.56 (talk) 14:10, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Marital status and family history? 

message: The article says:
"Ratan Naval Tata GBE (born 28 December 1937) is an Indian businessman ..."
and
"Sir Ratan Naval Tata
Born	 28 December 1940 (age 73)
Surat, India ...."
Which is it? (or neither?)
Please solve this issue. ---Dagme (talk) 14:25, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Date of birth? 

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message: There has been some pushback on my removing Tata from Category:Harvard_Business_School_alumni.
The article reads "in 1975, attended the seven-week Advanced Management Program of Harvard Business School". The AMP has no "no formal educational requirements", and no assessment at the end. It is nothing like the two-year full-time MBA, which most readers will infer an alumnus has completed. Please see Talk:Harvard_Business_School#Harvard_Business_School_alumni. Edwardx (talk) 10:27, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: Harvard Business School attendance, NOT an alumnus