Talk:.308 Winchester

message: The 308 Winchester and 7.62X51 are identical cartridgesThe cartridege was developed in the USA as a commercial round with an Imperial measurement ie .308 inches. The cartridge was adopted in Europe where all military calibers- even in the UK who still use miles instead of kilometres- all calibers are metric hence 7.62x51 millimetres. What differs and confuses people is that headspace 'field' gauges for military weapons are normally more lenient than 'field' for commercial rifles. Obviously a cartridge case having been fired in a military rifle on the limit of the military 'field' gauge can never be chambered in a commercial rifle unless it is full resized.
Just to confuse the issue- my 'military' FN FAL semi automatic rifle is stamped 'cal 308' as it was sold in Rhodesia in the 70's as a 'sporting' weapon whereas my Musgrave single shot Bisley competition rifle is stamped 'Cal 7.62'The Musgrave competition '7.62' has all chamber dimensions on minimum and will not chamber any round fired in another 7.62/308 (without full sizing the case)whilst the semi auto '308' has 'field' dimensions and will chamber just about any fired 308/7.62
Brian41.244.122.31 15:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Old talk 

message: Why are the Cartridge dimensions in metric?  This Cartridge was designed by a US company long before metric was ever used in the USA.  The USA still has not adopted the metric system.  The Cartridge dimensions diagram is confusing to Americans.  Since the Cartridge was designed by an American company, by Americans, for Americans  - the dimensions should be in inches, not metric.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.39.183.58 (talk) 16:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Done. Imperial measurements added. CaboverPete (talk) 18:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cartridge dimensions diagram 

message: Maybe one of the usual editors could find this article by Ray Meketa helpful in detailing the history of development of the .308 Win from the .300 Savage. History: .30-80 WCF - The Origin of the .308 Winchester Regards. Trilobitealive (talk) 02:55, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  .30-80 WCF, the missing link in development of the .308 Win 

message: There have been a number of editing mistakes on the infobox which are apparently due to failure (of multiple editors including myself) to adhere to the specific guidelines from Template:Infobox firearm cartridge regarding data entry. See my most recent edit to the present article to see the result of the most recent attempt to fix it. This resulted in the entry of the correct data for all 6 cartridge weights, but the template then deleted showing the last one. The template only allows 5 weights! I will leave it to the editors to decide which of the 6 must be removed. If I have a vote it would be to remove the 165 or 168 since these weights are nearly the same. Unless some genius knows how to modify the template to accept 6 weights.Trilobitealive (talk) 16:12, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox editing mistakes problem - please refer to [[Template:Infobox firearm cartridge]] and article history before discussing. 

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message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :.308 Winchester's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NRA High Power":
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From Long range shooting: NRA High Power Rifle Rules, Revised January 2014, p. 67-70
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thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:.308 Winchester]] 

message: The unit or designation of measure is Caliber.  Caliber is a unit "based" on inches and/or millimeter (mm).  When using the designation of caliber it is not represented directly as a measurement of inches.  Refer to the definition of caliber.  Caliber is expressed in hundredths or thousands of an inch depending on the number of digits.  When referring to cartridges, bullets or chambers the units or designation used is caliber.  This would be expressed without any leading decimal.  Example: 22 LR is the 22 caliber Long Rifle cartridge.  It may be approximately 0.22 inches in diameter; however, the Caliber is 22.  
Leaving the decimal out of imperial specifications is intentional.   It is not common language to say "Point 22 LR"  or "Dot 22 LR", the common phrase is "Twenty Two LR".   It is also easy to miss read or not see markings with a leading dot, thus another reason the unit of caliber is used. 
This page is for specifications in caliber, This is what is used in the industry.  Expressing it incorrectly as for example .45 caliber would translate a measurement in inches of 0.45/100 equaling 0.0045 inches.    Another example .223 Rem.  If this is a caliber unit it would translate to 0.223 thousandths (0.223/1000), which would equate to 0.000223 inches.   for empirical units caliber designation never has a decimal place.  Metric calibers are also often but not exclusively written and used without a decimal (i.e. Caliber 762).
The title of these pages should be updated as well as the content to avoid confusion for people learning or understanding the correct terms. 
Further information on the correct way to specify values and units.  Values and the units used are separated by a space.  Example 7 mm is correct,  7mm is not correct.  Correct case of letters (upper, lower)  is also important, mm = millimeters, MM who knows that that would be.  Another example (5.56 x 45 mm).  Both 5.46 and 45 are in mm (millimeters), note the spacing around the x and between the number (value) and the units (mm).
216.160.0.104 (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Correct Caliber Designation 

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