Talk:Aotearoa

message: Following other examples where an alternative name exists for a geo-political entity (such as Kanaky, Timor Lorosae, Kampuchea and Hellenic Republic), I propose that this article also be integrated into the state it refers to. Some country pages have a separate section about the usage and origin of their name(s), whether official or informal. --Big Adamsky 09:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've commented in more depth elsewhere, but, as a glance at this page will tell you, the concepts are not identical. This page was deliberately separated from the New Zealand one for just that reason. I strongly oppose the idea of any merger. Grutness...wha? 14:06, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: And so do I. This article clearly stands on its own merits. Stongly oppose a merger. Moriori 19:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Oppose - it may be appropriate in those other cases to do the merge/redirect thing, but that does not automatically mean it is a good reason to do it here. --LesleyW 10:40, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Proposed merger with [[New Zealand]]

message: The IPA notation is correct, but the audio file at the top of the page sounds a bit like 'ow-tee-a-row-uh' to me, especially the last 'o' which should rhyme with 'paw'. It would be nice to have the Māori pronunciation. Kahuroa 21:50, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Pronunciation

message: A group claiming sovereignty of Aotearoa would dispute the claim that Aotearoa is a synonym for New Zealand  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.255.62.134 (talk) 09:49, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Federation of Tribal Chiefs'

message: Is Aoteoroa also an official alternate name for the country? It is not clear in the description. The first page of a NZ passport gives the country's name as NEW ZEALAND . AOTEOROA with both given equal weight and prominence. --62.234.176.6 (talk) 08:43, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Aotearoa is the Maori name for New Zealand, and Maori is an official language of New Zealand, so in that sense it is official. Government agencies typically have a Maori name as well as an English one, and both are usually displayed on official stationery etc. The passport situation seems similar. I'm not convinced that this needs to be covered in this article, however. --Avenue (talk) 19:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  It's not yet an offical name. —Hugh (talk) 01:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe, but I don't think we can take the word of a blog published back on 30 May 2013. Moriori (talk) 01:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title: As official name of the country?

message: Re the Māori newspaper illustrating the use of Aotearoa for the North Island, here's the proper reference .  Present reference doesn't cover it.  Piwaiwaka (talk) 17:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Reference missing

message: [I'll start a new section here so novice users can contribute more easily.]
Recent edits would suggest that a number of users, myself included, would evidently like for the statement in the first paragraph regarding common pronunciation to be qualified by a word such as "", or to modify "" to read "". Since it is a fact that the audio of the pronunciation in question represents common mispronunciation, why is there objection to modifying this sentence? Saying that the audio represents "common pronunciation" isn't the whole truth. — Hugh (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a pity to see that you're ignoring our last discussion in which I explained that not only is the pronunciation correct, it's also pretty much the only way New Zealanders can anglicize it. I suggest that you re-read our previous discussion and read New Zealand English phonology. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 00:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

text: Describing the way that a word is pronounced in English as "incorrect" or a "mispronunciation" would be an inappropriate value judgment, and sounds like a non-neutral POV.  English has no 'central language authority'.  Remember also that although this page describes a Maori word, it is a page in the English-language Wikipedia.  So including a common English-language pronunciation (and noting it as such) seems appropriate - just don't add the value judgment.  Of course, we should also include an approved Maori-language pronunciation as well, given the word's origin. Ross Finlayson (talk) 03:12, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: The intro sucked. It is not true that that is how it is "pronounced by English speakers". Some yes, and by some Maori too. But not all as it suggested.. I've amended it to make the point. Moriori (talk) 03:23, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

text: If it were in fact a mispronunciation then there would be little value in including it, or linking to the file. Changing "pronounced" to "misprounced" is disruptive behaviour (WP:POINT); it seems that if you can't have your way (i.e. removing the pronunciation) then you want to subvert the text! I think that the audio file records a standard English pronunciation. I am sure all editors would welcome a recording of the ("correct") Te Reo pronunciation.--Hazhk (talk) 03:20, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I notice just now that we do have a Maori-language pronunciation; it's included - as an external link - in the "Etymology" section.  Why not, for consistency, move this pronunciation audio file earlier, and mention it first, ahead of the 'common English-language' pronunciation? Ross Finlayson (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I added the external link. It wouldn't be proper to move it inline though.--Hazhk (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm currently communicating with Te Taura Whiri i te Reo Māori to help them with adding a free culture license to those audio files so they can be used on Wikipedia, but I'm a few continents away. They're definitely open to it, but the process is pretty convoluted. If anyone in NZ wants to give them more hands on help to get the files uploaded/licensed, let me/let them know! Also if any native Māori speakers want to do an upload, please do! Mayawagon (talk) 20:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
replies: text:  I'd love to help out if I can. Please email me. —Hugh (talk) 23:30, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect pronunciation 

message: The pronounciation file is a bit old-fashioned. It reflects how some Pākehā speakers used to pronounce it, but I haven't heard anyone use this pronunciation in over a decade. You won't be able to find any examples of this pronounciation in national media. Nowadays most New Zealand English speakers pronounce it as in the external link.
I've read the discussion above, but also notice that some of the participants have been banned from Wikipedia for abusing sock puppets.
I propose the external pronounciation is moved to the top, and the old-fashioned pronounciation is removed.  -- haminoon (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: This is definitely a tricky one. The external translation may not be free usage to be cleared. However, if the audio file currently used is not a reflection of how the majority of English-speaking New Zealander say the word then it should be removed. AussieWikiDan (talk) 08:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That's correct that the external link is copyright. It's not ideal, but it would be an improvement to move the "external audio" up to the top of the page. -- haminoon (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

text: If there has indeed been a shift in English speakers' pronunciation of the word, then that's something very well worth documenting in the article. But of course we can't do so unless there are reliable sources available. Nardog (talk) 09:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: That goes both ways. The pronounciation currently on the page isn't referenced. However there are thousands of examples online of the pronounciation in the external link being used in national media. For example .  -- haminoon (talk) 20:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pronunciation 2020 

message: The article says in a couple of places without citation that Nu Tirani means "new terrain". It seems much more likely it's just a transliteration of "New Zealand" because how else works New Zealand be transliterated? Does anyone know if there is any support for Nu Tirani meaning new terrain? Schnackal (talk) 14:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: That looks like utter nonsense to me. I'll remove it. -- haminoon (talk) 06:31, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nu Tirani 

message: Maori did have a name for New Zealand as a whole, Nukuroa (meaning Father Land) was applied to the land in older times I believe 121.98.239.99 (talk) 04:45, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have a source?-gadfium 05:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: https://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-SmiHawa-t1-body-d3-d6.html#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20oldest%20names,therefore%2C%20it%20is%20very%20ancient. Joshville (talk) 23:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nukuroa 

message: When hovering over links to this entry (e.g. on the pages on New Zealand or Jacinda Ardern) the Isreali flag is shown. Is this a fluke in some algorithm or outright vandalism? 78.50.88.90 (talk) 10:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Vandalism. It's been reverted, please be patient until the cache expires. Nardog (talk) 11:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Israeli flag??