Talk:Scouting in displaced persons camps

message: #Is "DP-Scouts" what people call it or was it a formal organization? I think you're not supposed to have abbreviations in the title. May need to change it to Displaced Person-Scouts. 
#"Cornell Wilson" links to wrong person (a black US Marine who may not have even been alive in th 1940s)-corrected-Phips 13:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Reply-the first line was written as there was no header when I got here and I needed to set a raison d'etre. I didn't say it was a good one, and that is why it is still in the workshop. Also, I know there are more camps than just the one. I simply added what I was aware of. Look at the edit history, it has come a long way. Chris 15:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Issues

message: Since this was a POW camp, I curious about it having a Scout group. Are you saying this had German youths in the camp? This article has a lot of potential and I've set a watch on it. It's also very interesting. It'll make a fine DYK submission when we go live with it.Rlevse 15:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, it was young soldiers of age for what today is called Venturing, Exploring, Rovering, etc.Rlevse 17:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Fort Devens

message: The stamp itself is from Detmold, overprinted Augsburg, so we know of two more camps. I wonder if there is a definitive list published anywhere. Chris 15:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: See here: Displaced_persons_camp, it's even broken down by country.Rlevse 15:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm sorry for being unclear-I meant of camps that were known to have Scouts. Chris 15:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ah, but that list is a place to start. I know most, if not all, of the Japanese camps in America had Scout units.Rlevse 15:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Speaking of camps

message: While I agree these were displaced persons, I have a real problem with them being called POWs. POWs, by international definition, are people captured in armed combat who followed the rules of war. The Japanese Americans do not fall in this category. We need to find another way to structure this section.Rlevse 16:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: These are the War Relocation Centers, but there were more camps that were run by the Dept of Justice. There is a full listing here: full listing. I'll be updating the wiki article on this soon as the article only has a partial list, though it does have the 10 WRC camps. I spent 3 hours last night on photos and found several and proved it just wasn' the WRCs that had Scouts. I found several boy scout photos and two girl scout photos. I'll be uploading them soon. Rlevse 09:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Japanese American camps

message: *Gila River War Relocation Center, Arizona
*Granada War Relocation Center, Colorado
*Heart Mountain War Relocation Center, Wyoming 
*Jerome War Relocation Center, Arkansas
*Manzanar War Relocation Center, California
*Minidoka War Relocation Center, Idaho
*Poston War Relocation Center, Arizona
*Rohwer War Relocation Center, Arkansas
*Topaz War Relocation Center, Utah
*Tule Lake War Relocation Center California
::These are the War Relocation Centers, but there were more camps that were run by the Dept of Justice. There is a full listing here: full listing. I'll be updating the wiki article on this soon as the article only has a partial list, though it does have the 10 WRC camps. I spent 3 hours last night on photos and found several and proved it just wasn' the WRCs that had Scouts. I found several boy scout photos and two girl scout photos. I'll be uploading them soon. Rlevse 09:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: List of Japanese internment camps

message: Is "DP-Scouts" what people call it or was it a formal organization? I think you're not supposed to have abbreviations in the title. May need to change it to Displaced Person-Scouts. Rlevse 11:40, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: suggestion-once we move it into Wikispace, it should first briefly go to DP-Scouts, and then immediately moved to Displaced Person-Scouts, to pick up the links from the abbreviated version and link all the articles it should. Chris 21:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I recommend Scouting in displaced persons camps.  There is also an article on displaced persons camp.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:58, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like it, though through the last 50 years they have been usually referred to simply as DP-Scouts. We should link from all. Chris 18:13, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like Gadget's name bette as most people won't know what DP means. We can solve this with redirects and a quick explanation in the lead.Rlevse 18:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

text: question regarding Scouting as adjective-would "Scouting in displaced persons camps" mean Scouting as the momement, not just the boy section, or should it instead be Scouting and Guiding in displaced persons camps? What does the MoS read on this? Chris 22:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This brings up the debate if they are two separate movements. They are both parts of one larger movement. This is why it is the Scouting project, not the Scouting and Guiding project. I feel using both in the name is exacerbating as it appears to emphasize that the parts are separate, they are not, they are parts of a whole, like a left arm and right arm. Rlevse 22:19, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That answers my question, thanks boss! :) Chris 22:24, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name 

message: I'm just going to park refs here as I find them.  Strike them out as they are used. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References: 

message: I’ve found 30 old photos of Boy and Girls Scouts. All but 2 are public domain (PD) too! The 28 PD photos are on the National Archives site, which has several hundreds of photos from the Japanese American internment camps from WWII. All 10 of the Dept of Interior War Relocation Authority camps had Scouts and most, possibly all, of the Dept of Justice Detention Centers did too.
Three of them are of Girl Scouts, the rest Boy Scouts. One of them is of Bess Truman with Girl Scouts. The rest are of interred Japanese American Boy and Girl Scouts during WWII.
A full listing is on my wiki image listing page at: User:Rlevse/images
The 28 that are public domain are hence on wikicommons. These are the Bess Truman one plus 27 of interred Japanese American Boy and Girl Scouts in a category I made on wikicommons called:  (they are in other categories too).
The Bess Truman is on commons at: 
The two that I could not prove are free/public domain are on wikipedia at:
:Image:CrystalCityGirlScoutsDrama.gif
:Image:GranadaBoyScoutBand.jpg
Also note that I found some of the ones that are on the archives site and clearly PD are also on other sites claiming they owned them, but they don’t own them as they are federal photos.
I encourage all to look at these and use for articles and education as they are quite interesting. Rlevse 01:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: 30 Old Scout photos

message: *Scouting and DPs in the Great Lakes Region of Africa
*"The Uganda Scouts will be running a project to train 40 Peer Educators inAbstinence and Being faithful among the Youth (ABY) in HIV prevention. This will run in 5 Internally Displaced Persons (IDP) camps in GuluDistrict. They will also conduct a refresher workshop for 30 Scouttrainers in Gulu with emphasis on Scout leaders in the IDP camps."
*"Africa: Using the Girl Guide method to teach adolescent refugees about health issues and to train them as peer educators." 
*"Sudan - Since the Darfur Crisis began in July 2003, Scouts in Sudan have been managing camps for Internally Displaced Persons, distributing food and relief and raising awareness of health issues." 
*Saharan Scouts are also purported to exist in the refugee camps of Tindouf, Algeria.(see Scouting in Western Sahara)
*Refugees and Internally Displaced People on Scoutpax
-Phips 20:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Seriously!  You're totally right, and I had neglected to remember that the whole time we were fighting to save Scouting in Western Sahara. I am rewriting the intro accordingly. Chris 21:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: DPs and Scouting/Guiding today

message: Have there been DP Scouts since the beginning? Check out Hayastani Azgayin Scautakan Sharjum Kazmakerputiun, which I again had written but had not considered until now:
Chris 21:20, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: earlier example?

message: I have expand tagged this article. Surely for the bulk of the Palestinian Scout Association's history there must be Scouting for displaced persons camps. Chris 21:42, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Palestinian Scout Association]]

message: The sections with long quotes need shortened and summarized. Article coming along nicely.Rlevse 11:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Along with that, may I suggest the use of flag icons instead of the repeated sentence "X, a camp for Y DPs, had Y Scouts"? Chris 05:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

text: ==DP Scouts by location==
location/camp name                     	sector/governing body	ethnicity of Scouts                                                              	type of Scouts	significance
/Haiming                               	/ UNRRA              	Volksdeutsche from Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia                               	              	Scout group affiliated to Pfadfinder Österreichs, active 1945 to 1950, Colonel J. S. Wilson of the World Scout Bureau visited the group.
/Kufstein                              	/ UNRRA              	Estonian Guides, Schredt, pp. 87-88 several Scout troops of different nationality	              	one Scout group was affiliated with group Wörgl I (Pfadfinder Österreichs) (?)
/Landeck                               	/ UNRRA              	Hungarian Scout troop                                                            	              	
/Graz                                  	                     	                                                                                 	              	
/Trofaiach                             	                     	                                                                                 	              	
/Feffernitz bei Feistritz (Weißenstein)	                     	Hungarian Scout troop                                                            	              	Boy Scout troop founded in 1946
*note-I have tried to use simpler, less specific Scouting icons than we use at the Project
Please feel free to modify. Chris 18:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Long quotes

message: :==DP Scouts by location==
location/camp name                     	sector/governing body	ethnicity of Scouts                                                              	type of Scouts	significance
/Haiming                               	/ UNRRA              	Volksdeutsche from Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia                               	              	Scout group affiliated to Pfadfinder Österreichs, active 1945 to 1950, Colonel J. S. Wilson of the World Scout Bureau visited the group.
/Kufstein                              	/ UNRRA              	Estonian Guides, Schredt, pp. 87-88 several Scout troops of different nationality	              	one Scout group was affiliated with group Wörgl I (Pfadfinder Österreichs) (?)
/Landeck                               	/ UNRRA              	Hungarian Scout troop                                                            	              	
/Graz                                  	                     	                                                                                 	              	
/Trofaiach                             	                     	                                                                                 	              	
/Feffernitz bei Feistritz (Weißenstein)	                     	Hungarian Scout troop                                                            	              	Boy Scout troop founded in 1946
*note-I have tried to use simpler, less specific Scouting icons than we use at the Project
Please feel free to modify. Chris 18:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Tabling instead

message: The section Polish Scouting in the United Kingdom appears to really cover Scouts-in-Exile, not DP Scouts.  --Gadget850 ( Ed) 13:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Polish Scouting 

message: I think this is ready to be made an article and nominated for DYK. Phips, if you'd like to do that, go ahead. I think the title should be Scouting in displaced persons camps. You can nominate for DYK . It's in way better shape than most new articles and we can keep working on it in its new home. Great job to all who helped! — Rlevse • Talk •  16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: you put a period at the end of it, I'll fix it.  — Rlevse • Talk •  20:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Make it an article

message: From the Plast article, "Ukrainian Scouting became a member of the Displaced Persons Division of the Boy Scouts International Bureau." We need to discover and develop this. Chris 03:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Displaced Persons Division of the Boy Scouts International Bureau

message: I'm trying to remove wikilinks to Ukrainian, which is a disambiguation page rather than an article. Every reference to Plast here includes the word Ukrainian and is linked to it. I assume this is for purposes of clarification for those who aren't familiar with Plast. So I created a redirect to Plast at Plast Ukrainian Scouting and linked to it in this article. I thought it was a good idea, but User:Kintetsubuffalo reverted my edit. So, what do editors of this article propose to do in order to eliminate the wikilinks to Ukrainian? Its obvious to me that the main disambiguation possibilities (Ukraine, Ukrainians, Ukrainian language) aren't appropriate. Shall we just leave Ukrainian bare and unlinked? I could go for that. Ntsimp (talk) 16:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Disambiguation of [[Ukrainian]] 

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