Talk:Up the Long Ladder

message: I'm sure the title of this episode (Up the Long Ladder) is possibly a reference to something else, but for the life of me I can't remember what it is.  Astronaut (talk) 16:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: We'd need a source for it, but I'd expect the reference was to the DNA helix, with its ladder-like form, given the episode's genetics-themed plot and the fact that the Mariposa residents are all cloned from a long-ago set of colonists (i.e., up the long ladder of the DNA back to the early colonists). Lawikitejana (talk) 17:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Production/trivia 

message: This page seems to be subject to frequent malicious revisions. I've deleted the most recent additions, but the fix is likely to be temporary. 66.80.65.244 (talk) 18:58, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Some stupid filter prevents me from reverting to the last sane version. Do it yourself or fix your filters.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.1.56.149 (talk) 15:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism II 

message: It would be legitimate to create a Criticisms section, with suitably referenced coverage of the objections which have been made. Most Irish people seem to think the stereotypes used are too ludicrous to be offensive, but it's certainly one of the most embarrassingly awful TNG episodes made, and a worrying insight into US attitudes to the Irish. --Ef80 (talk) 19:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that a reception section should address this criticism. It has been criticized by numerous sources for the depiction of Irish culture, sexism, and being pro-choice. The writer has stated the show was meant to be about US immigration policies, but an Irish American who also worked on the series convinced her to base the characters on "Irish tinkerers". The intended message on immigration was lost to rewrites and budget restrictions. The writer also did a later episode influenced by the Troubles in Northern Ireland, however, she resented the influence having wished to instead base it on the American Revolution. Also, the title refers to the expression "Up the long ladder, down the short rope." Which, of course, is about hanging Irish people. Criticism from Ars Technicahttp://arstechnica.com/staff/2014/03/the-ars-staff-picks-our-least-favorite-star-trek-the-next-generation-episodes/2/ and rest of info/sources over at Memory Alphahttp://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Up_The_Long_Ladder_%28episode%29  Fiachaire (talk)  —Preceding undated comment added 13:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Depiction of Irish culture

message: I have a horrible suspicion that this episode is some sort of boneheaded ahistorical allegory for the Troubles, with the Bringloidi representing Irish Republicans and the Mariposans representing the British/English/Unionists (all the same to many Americans of course). --31.185.143.164 (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The later episode The High Ground by the same scriptwriter appears to be similarly inspired by Northern Ireland in the 1970s and 80s. Americans seem to have no inkling of how offensive this stuff is, both to the British and Irish. --Ef80 (talk) 18:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Allegory of the Troubles in Northern Ireland?

message: I've removed all but one of the images.  added a section on deleted scenes in January 2018, and thanks for that, but a list of deleted scenes doesn't justify a gallery of fair use images. Unless there is a real discussion/analysis of the topic of the image, only one fair use image per article is justifiable. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:55, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Images removed 

message: Can we mention non-canon books? The planet is revisited in the Starfleet Core of Engineers book "Out of the Cocoon". Might be worth mentioning if it is allowed. -- 109.78.194.208 (talk) 07:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Apocrypha 

message: If anyone ever gets around to adding a Home media section for this episode, they might want to note that it was also released on Laserdisc. -- 109.78.206.86 (talk) 03:38, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Home media