Talk:Cadency

message: I disagree with the sentence about relative rigidity.  When I wrote that a difference mark may be derived from the bearer's profession, I had in mind a Scottish example (cited by Volborth): a master printer made part of his bordure goutty sable (I've forgotten the nonsystematic word, unless it's goutty de poix) representing ink.  —Tamfang 03:53, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I even read Gayre's book Cadency, but it told me little that isn't in the cadency chapter of every other book. —Tamfang (talk) 22:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  England and Scotland 

message: "At birth, members of the Royal Family have no arms."
Is this strictly true. The law of arms would suggest they have the same rights to  their father's arms with due differences unless or until they are granted personal arms or succeed their father. Alci12 13:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't think it is possible to have a right to the Royal Arms by descent, because they are arms of dominion and not personal arms.  However, arms based on the Royal Arms (i.e. granted with differences) are personal arms and descend in the usual way (I think).  Chelseaboy 18:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  And on yet another hand, the children of the Duke of Edinburgh have arms available which are not arms of dominion.  For that matter, the Windsors could in principle derive arms from Prince Albert.  But such is not the practice.  —Tamfang 19:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was thinking of the DofE - as to Albert I doubt it. At most it would only be a quartering due to EII being a heraldic heiress all sssuming his arms can be quartered via a morganatic marriage under his house rules. Alci12 10:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I meant the male-line Windsors.  —Tamfang 17:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know the Duke of Cambridge has had two arms. http://www.baronage.co.uk/bphtm-01/william1.html Only one set was granted and registered. As I understand it, minors don't need to register their arms, and just use their parents arms. Neither his current arms or his previous one is hereditary, Although for him it doesn't matter. His brother Prince Harry arms are also non-hereditary, Prince Harry's son will use a label of five points. I am unsure if that is hereditary. Tinynanorobots (talk) 22:11, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Royal Arms 

message: Like many heraldry articles, this article has something of a bias towards British (and British-descended, i.e. Canadian) heraldry.  Can anyone provide any information about cadency systems in other traditions?  There are some examples from Portugal but no description of whether there is a general system or the given examples were created ad hoc for the royal family.  Even information about the lack of cadency systems in other heraldic traditions would be useful.  For example, I understand that in Polish heraldry there was a tendency for everyone in the same family to bear the same arms, without difference. PubliusFL 19:44, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: good point, it is hard to find information about it. also there is too much focus on the brisure system and the royal family. The brisure system was used briefly, and the royal family follows its own rules. Anyway cadency is usually not as systematic as this suggests, really any form of differencing can be used. also, in Scotland quartering can be used for differencing. the best would be to find an example normal family from each country.  Tinynanorobots (talk) 18:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: It's harder to find such information in English, and we don't have a lot of folks from other language communities who are willing to navigate the horror which is English-language heraldry, with its odd atavistic Norman French terminology and crown-centered POV. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 18:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: actually, I could very easily find examples of matriculated arms among Scottish families, some examples are even on wikipedia. I can even find some english arms, although I am not sure about fair-use with those. Also, I recently found a German example using supporters for differencing. The real difficulty is finding out if there is any rules followed in these countries. although it appears France and Savoy had similar system to Britain, where every shield is required to be unique. although I did find a site on  [cadency] Tinynanorobots (talk) 19:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can find examples, perhaps; but extrapolating from those examples to generate rules is original research and has no place here. --Orange Mike  |  Talk 23:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, but it evidence contradicts the information here, that means something. anyway, I think the main issue is that even in England where one man one shield is the rule, it is not always followed. Tinynanorobots (talk) 03:43, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Non-Commonwealth cadency

message: I'm skeptical of the table showing that Spanish cadency uses the English series shifted by one place. —Tamfang (talk) 18:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spain 

message: Perhaps we should talk about historical usage rather than focusing only on the Orléanist claims to the French throne?! 99.246.103.2 (talk) 03:57, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome! Thanks :) 99.246.103.2 (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Royal Arms 

message: Could someone with the necessary expertise on inkscape please remove the "de-beaked duck" masquerading as a martlet from the images. It should look like a house-marten or swallow, in English heraldry at least. I don't know where this bastardised version has come from, but it has infected the whole of wikipedia commons. Can any one clarify? (Lobsterthermidor (talk) 13:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I made the image. I don't recall where the current version of that brisure came from. If you can find a better martlet anywhere on Wikimedia Commons and let me know, I'll be glad to replace it. Marnanel (talk) 10:14, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Bastardised martlet

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I added typically but it's still too strong.  Not one of our illustrations has a brisure in fess point! —Tamfang (talk) 22:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  placement