Talk:List of minor Naruto characters/Archive 2

message: While I can understand them removing the huge alphabetical lists of ninjutsu, why are they removing character articles such as Itachi Uchiha's and instead putting them in lists with much less detail? Also, why have they taken out loads of the pictures? there should a picture for most of the characters, even the ones in the lists. There aren't any pictures for characters in the Akatsuki section OR this section. I just put one up for Madara Uchiha along with a fair use rationale, etc. they better not remove/delete it.
--Arsenal666 18:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Reduction of Naruto articles

message: Might knife duster (a form of brass knuckle with a blade but not necessarily a trench knife, which need not have the brass knuckle component as per that article) be a more appropriate description?  --BrokenSphere 01:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Asuma's blades

message: I noticed that this page has some past/present tense grammer problems. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to fix these? Look at the section on Asuma Sarutobi for a specific on what i'm talking about. Ageofe 23:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oh, the irony... grammer? Grammar. Dagron12345 00:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Grammer

message: Why is it that the Flying Thunder God Technique redirects here when the jutsu is listed under the article "List of Jutsu in Naruto (A-G)"?  That doesn't make sense to me.... --71.75.188.94 17:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The Ninjutsu articles are being reduced, so any technique that is unique to or signature to a specific ninja (such as Flying Thunder God to the Fourth), it is mentioned there. You Can't See Me! 05:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Flying Thunder God Technique

message: The 1st paragraph of Sandaime's article seems like complete speculation. It was never stated that he specialized in fire and earth techniques, those are simply the ones he used (the earth justu in particular was just the proper counter for that situation). It was also never stated that he specialized in elemental jutsus either. This all seems like someone looked at the few jutsus he had time to use, assumed it was his entire fighting style and wrote it into the article. Considering that he used 6 jutsus and only two of them were elemental, it's hardly accurate if the source is nothing but the manga. Is this in a databook somewhere or is it just completely made up? 
69.177.144.165 02:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You seem to be confusing the word "specifically" with "specialized". ~SnapperTo 03:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you admitting that all this information is complete speculation? Either way, your point makes no sense. Most of his jutsus are elemental jutsus. Most of his elemental jutsus are earth and fire jutsus. If his primary fighting style revolves around earth and fire jutsus, that means he specializes in earth and fire jutsus. 69.177.144.165 23:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sandaime article speculation

message: The fourth Hokage's is "Arashi Uzumaki". It's not theorize, although you have to put information together.
As already know, the fourth Hokage also had to sign the contact for frog summons. If you look on the episode where Naruto signs it, you will see "Arashi Uzumaki" in Japanese. This is a obvious sign right in the TV show it's self.
This however does not prove if the Fourth's son is Naruto or not, but it does show his name.
functional(); [Blaher] - http://blahertech.dnsalias.net 21:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's actually a squiggly line which differs in the anime and manga. You Can't See Me! 22:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: In manga chapter 367, the Forth Hokage's name is revealed to be Minato Namikaze.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.237.196 (talk) 22:02, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
The fansubbers put that name as a joke years ago.Jink
At what point did the anime become the official source for canon?His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono 01:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arashi Uzumaki 

message: Most of the characters names are either objects or ingredients etc. I assume this is not normal in Japan,  kinda like having a name like David Potato or something? So having a name like Nawaki "rope wood" would be odd? I think I have seen this in manga & anime before, Dragonball etc. --Conradical247 04:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's not really common in Japan, but it is common in anime. They're pun names, like Frieda Livery or Tyra Nasaurus. You Can't See Me! 04:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Japanese Names 

message: In chapter 367, tsunade mentioned a Kuchina Uzumaki. I'm not going to speculate here and say that she is of any known relation to naruto, but I am going to list her for now. busboy 05:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  New character 

message: Someone should add that its rumored that Naruto's parents are The Fourth Hokage and Yugao Uzuki. Also the  Second Hokage if I'm correct, had that sword named Sword of Rajin or something simulator to that.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzumaki Dude (talk • contribs) 21:16, August 24, 2007 (UTC) 
:No. We already know Naruto's parents, the Fourth and a female shinobi from the Whirlpool Country. As for the Second as he means virtually nothing to me (nor does the sword) you have to back that one up with facts.--TheUltimate3 21:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  rumored and sword 

message: Particularly in the section about the 4th Hokage. The anime (and roughly 90% of the series' fans) are nowhere close to the story developments recently revealed in the manga, and blatantly putting it on the page without warning is really a problem.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.225.146.44 (talk) 16:47, August 25, 2007 (UTC) 
:Read WP:SPOILER. We don't use spoiler warnings to obscure plot details. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler Warnings Desperately Needed 

message: Fair use images have repeatedly been removed from this article for violating our policies on the use of fair use images found at Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria #3(a) and #8, and Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy. Removals of this type have been occurring all across the project. A sample of such efforts may be found at User:Durin/Fair_Use_Overuse#Complete. This type of removal has been debated many times in the past, with the result that the images have been removed and ultimately remained removed. Please see User:Durin/Fair_use_overuse_explanation#Prior_debates for some example debates. 
If you still feel motivated to dispute our policy and wish to engage in discussion with specific regards to the use of such images on this and closely related articles, please centralize discussion at Talk:List of Akatsuki members. --Durin 12:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fair use image removal 

message: Instead of calling him the Fourth, shouldn't we just refer to him as just Minato Namikaze?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.50.107 (talk) 15:12, August 27, 2007 (UTC) 
:The Fourth is his most common name. Similar how we call the Third, the Third and not his given name.--TheUltimate3 15:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth to Minato 

message: Again, spoiler tags are definitely needed for this article, especially pertaining to the Fourth Hokage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.149.176 (talk) 04:20, August 28, 2007 (UTC) 
:And again, we don't use spoilers to cordon off plot details. Read WP:SPOILER. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spoilers should be expected when looking something up on Wikipedia. If you don't want to find out who the Fourth Hokage is (not that it matters given the number of people who already suspected he was related to Naruto), you shouldn't be reading up on him. ~SnapperTo 04:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoilers 

message: Since Minato is a notable character and because he is apart of the naruto beginnings couldn't we just add in a picture of him.
Can the 4th being the greatest ninja that was ever produced be changed to. The greatest hokage; and add that the 3rd was the strongest hokage.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.137.169.151 (talk) 08:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Just add it 

message: The Fourth's picture was deleted, but there are no pitures on the whole article, and he should have one because he is Naruto's father. I added it so please don't delete it. Ultimaterasengan 20:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture

message: I have a question for whoever manages Wikipedia. Why are you deleting all of the pictures? Specifically, the Naruto pictures? I dislike this, because placing images on your website allows people to see what the characters look like. Also, on the characters who have full articles, whose bright idea was it to remove that character's techniques. It is much easier to just type in the characters name and see their techniques than go looking for them. Could someone please respond. Thanks.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master auror (talk • contribs) 21:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: 1) Asking here ain't going to help. 2) They were removed because apparently its against Wiki Policy to have so much none-free things on their website. You can take it up with them personally if you have the time and the energy to do so. I however do not and so far am forced to go with the flow until I do have the time. 3) Naruto articles aren't the only ones targeted, we (as far as I cared to look up and I didn't) are the only ones to have this much opposition to it.--TheUltimate3 21:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

text: Read further up the page at the section titled "Fair use image removal".  BrokenSphereMsg me 22:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion Questions 

message: The Flying Thunder God Jutsu does not require a special seal. If you go back to the "Kakashi Gaiden" story arc of the Naruto Manga, you see The Fourth Hokage use the flying thunder god jutsu to save Kakashi from a Rock Ninja and as he grabs Kakashi, he places a seal on the foot of the Rock Ninja.  Then he uses the Body Flicker Technique to kill the Rock Ninja.  When the Fourth Hokage kills all those other Rock Ninja, he asks the other Leaf Shinobi to throw his special kunai, with a seal on it, at the enemy.  Again he does the Body Flicker Technique to kill those Rock Ninja.  The Flying Thunder God jutsu works by not using a seal, but by being able to see where you are going/knowing exactly where you are going.  I forgot where I read how it works, but it was one of the Naruto websites.  The real point is that no one knows how the Flying Thunder God jutsu is done yet.
Tristan76 19:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: We know how it works. It works how we've written it. What you've written is just nonsense. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

text: ...It's been explained in the databooks. Any "theories" are just plain outdated. You Can't See Me! 19:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Flying Thunder God Jutsu 

message: In the paragraph about Anko Mitarashi it says ""Anko" and "Mitarashi" are ingredients in dango[...]". Mitarashi is not an ingredient, but the name of the well/ pond in front of Buddhist shrines where people wash themselves before they enter. Mitarashi dango were named after the bubbles that floated on top of the water in the mitarashi pond at the Shimogamo Shrine in Kyōto. (source) 87.78.21.148 12:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it should also be added that if you say "Mitarashi Anko" fast, it could sound like "Mitarashi Dango". 68.56.3.16 18:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Mitarashi

message: Should it be added that "Hayate" can also mean something along the lines of "one who runs fast", referring to his death? 68.56.3.16 18:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Gekko Hayate

message: What is the Third's name? I'm guessing it is Asuma,like his son, but if it isn't, then please tell me what it is below. Uzumaki Dude 02:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No, Asuma is his son's name. The Third's first name is unknown. ~SnapperTo 23:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third Hokages name = ????? 

message: Why put information on the page that was taken from events that only happen in the fillers for the Anime series and not in the Manga? For example: 
Although Mizuki initially seems to have no specific use for the scroll, the anime's filler arcs show that, as a former student of Orochimaru, he intended to give the scroll to his master. After leading a prison revolt to escape from jail, Mizuki uses the instructions depicted on a tattoo given to him by Orochimaru to create a potion. After consuming the potion, Mizuki transforms into a tiger-like man-beast with doubled speed and power, but Naruto manages to defeat him again, with Iruka noting that Naruto has surpassed him. Mizuki, however, is yet another victim of Orochimaru's manipulation, and turns into an angry, shriveled, and powerless old man when the potion dissipates. Tsunade eventually heals him back to his normal state and interrogates him about the whereabouts of Orochimaru, but learns nothing of any use.
How do we know if this is Canon or not if it only happened in the Anime?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.214.131 (talk) 04:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It happened in the anime, and so it is included. "Canon" is solely determined by fans until such time that Kishimoto says the anime is a different continuity. ~SnapperTo 22:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Besides Wiki doesn't care about canonicity. If something IS noncanon then you may note it as such. But excluding it is outside the bounds of what wikipedia is.--Marhawkman (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fillers From Anime 

message: What the hell happened to all the other Konoha ninja? It seems like there is a huge edit war going on over the fourth hokage and people have allowed quite a few characters fall through the cracks. For example, where's the information on Izumo and Koetsu (spelling is probably wrong) the chunin gate guards? They appear as cameos quite often in both the anime and manga. And what about Genma? Just take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Konoha_ninja&oldid=168807706 compared to the current page to see how much is missing. I do not have the time nor the desire to get involved in this edit war. I would just request that some responsible party who monitors this page add back the pertinent information. Wikipedia shows up at the top of most any search and people expect to find moderately in depth information about any subject. A list of characters the main character of this series encounters with a sentence or two about each is hardly excessive.--130.127.48.188 (talk) 01:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Article is going downhill 

message: There is some Vandalism, lets clean it up and put a ban on new users.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbald (talk • contribs) 06:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Been fixed. Apparently this article has attracted Indonesian vandals. Yays and so forth. ~SnapperTo 06:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: Homura and the other elder should receive a mention in a combined fashion like Izumo & Kotetsu. Also, I originally came to this article looking for the names of the teammates of Konohamaru. I don't think that they deserve their own entry, but their names should at least be mentioned in Konohamaru's. Lore aura (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: They aren't significant enough to be listed independently, and simple name-dropping isn't really helpful. Konohamaru's teammates are included at the Naruto wikia, so consider looking there. ~SnapperTo 20:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Teammates of Sandaime and Konohamaru 

message: This is really more of a question than a suggestion, but I remember Sakumo Hatake being a part of some list of minor ninja characters, and I assume that it was taken off. Would it be unnecessary to add him to the list of minor characters, since he is only mentiond quite a few times? Or would it be okay to add him back? -Hahligirl56 (talk) 20:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Criteria for listing of "minor" characters is that they've had some impact on the plot. Has Sakumo done anything of interest aside from being Kakashi's father? ~SnapperTo 21:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Who made up that criteria? They should be mentioned because they are a part of Naruto. Besides by your "criteria" how is Aoba not in this article? He had an impact on the plot. Gune (talk) 00:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "Some" is the criteria, not "I have one scene that any other random character could have done instead". As for the applicable criteria, refer to WP:NOT#INFO: merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Refer to the Naruto wikia if you'd like an in depth whatever to Naruto. ~SnapperTo 02:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Addition 

message: Is there a citation for this?  I don't recall it being stated in the manga.  Is it something from the anime or guidebooks? 24.84.2.239 (talk) 02:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: She calls him her uncle during Orochimaru's initial resurrection offer. Ref added. ~SnapperTo 04:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Shizune as Dan's niece 

message: Most of us know who Aoba Yamashiro is.He is a member of the Niju Shotai,and uses crows in his jutsu.He was also one of the Konoha jonin who released genjutsu and fought in the war.He was also the one who told Sasuke about Itachi's return.There used to be a section on him.Now there isnt.He has made quite a few appearences,so where is he?Narutoboy1001 (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Aoba Yamashiro 

message: I was mentioned in the last naruto manga that  Konoha was founded by Madara Uchiha and Someone from the Forest Nation/village who later became the First. Itachi,I believe said his last name was Senju ( the clan he was from is called that) It's on page 10 of Manga 386.Therefore since Itachi states thats the First's clan's name,wouldn't his last name be Senju?
Anadentone (talk) 03:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The first Hokage was indeed from the Senju clan, but that doesn't make Senju his last name. Kimimaro was from the Kaguya clan, but the second databook doesn't give Kaguya as his last name. The name of your clan isn't necessarily your last name, as well. JadziaLover (talk) 13:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Hokage's Last name? 

message: Where'd they go? It looks like someone lost them in a reorganization.--Marhawkman (talk) 03:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fuma clan 

message: I've figured he must have been somewhere between 18(maybe 20)-37 when he died.
Kakashi is 26 in the first arc. Naruto is 13.
Kakashi would have been 13 when he died.
And Minato was sensei to Kakashi during Gaiden so he must be older then Kakashi, especially since Kakshi was so underdeveloped at the time.
Jiraiya is 37 or less when Minato died and he was sensei to Minato when he was younger so Jiraiya PROBABLY is more then a few years older then him at the least (we havn't seen a sensei that was younger then the students yet).
That and the fact he seemed engaged to Kushina raises the Japanese Marriage Age.
So unless hte marriage isn't in effect I've deduced That His age is 18-37  anyother help to fonrim his age? I think he was 21-29 when he died really, since he seems to still burst ith energy then. but any other ideas to help confirm his age?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.35.204 (talk) 08:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Hint At Minato's Age?