Talk:Nachos

message: The article says nachos originated in Puerto Rico but were invented in Mexico.
:Factrenderer (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Where invented

message: It is said by many residents of Texas that Nachos originate there.
It is unlikely that the original name was Nacho's Especiales as Spanish does not use the apostrophe to denote ownership. also the translation for specialites is 'especialidades' in castellano at least.
Nachos would be nacho plural.
:It sounds to me more like he was trying his best to speak English for the American women, and "Nacho's specials" came out 'Nachos especiales' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk • contribs) 
Olives? I've never seen or heard of olives as a topping. Lefty 01:26, 2005 Mar 16 (UTC)
:Then you never went to Taco Bell before they went cheap. ;-) --Roger McCoy 18:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General discussion

message: What other cheeses besides melted cheddar "go" with nachos? I know I've seen a white cheese on nachos before, too (jack cheese? mozarella? not sure). --I am not good at running 17:58, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  other cheese that goes with nacho chips? 

message: Yeah, the international nacho day thing isnt special enough to exist on its own, MERGE. Jack Cain 11:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging 

message: It says that melted chedder cheese with nachos is delicious. I agree, but it's still an opinion.
* No... I'm pretty sure that's fact.
Agreed.
When does somthing become so universal that it's essentially fact? Or to put it differently, when is deviation from a position so illregular that the position is fact? Is "orgasm is pleasurable" a fact?--Devon DeFazio (talk) 01:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  POV? 

message: http://mexicolesstraveled.com/nachofest.htm --Gbleem 03:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nacho Fesival website 

message: Unless this news item has had a much larger impact on people's feelings about nachos in general than I imagine it has, I don't really think it desrves this much space (if any) on a general-info page about nachos. I have deleted the section entirely. If someone strongly feels that this info should be here, please re-write it to make it more concise and informative. (Or, at the very least, remove all of the superfluous paragraph breaks.) --Roger McCoy 18:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contorversy 

message: Can anyone explain how they got around to making corn chips instead of tortilla chips? Usually its corn chips instead of tortilla chips - usually I find Corn Chips flavoured with "Nacho" cheese but now nachos is generally referred to Corn Chips and Cheese, rather than tortilla chips and cheese. So how did this happen? Timmah01 04:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nachos made out of corn aka. Corn Chips 

message: This page and the tortilla chips page contradict each other. The tortillas chips article says that they were created in the late 40s and that nachos are tortillas chips with cheese but this article says that nachos were created in 1943 (early 40s), that would be before tortilla chips were made. . That contradiction and the lack of citation for the source of the origin make me believe this article is wrong. --David13579 23:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Both articles are now sourced, showing that Webb merely popularized the chips, but that they were created as early as 1943 by Anaya. Please sign your talk posts with four tildes, as such: ~~~~. This will automatically be replaced with your signature. Happy editing,—Swpbtalk.edits 16:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Contradiction 

message: If someone goes to Nacho's restaurant, they should photograph a plate of the original nachos (i.e. using the original recipe). That would be a cool addition to the article. Tisane talk/stalk 07:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photo of the original nachos 

message: Edited "made fast to serve as a snack" in the introduction to "made quickly to serve as a snack". You can make a rope fast, but not a snack!86.138.14.83 (talk) 21:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Made fast? 

message: I edited the page yesterday but the changes were reverted. The reason given was that I had to be factual, but all I was doing was changing things already there which are not factual, for example:
1) In Mexico they are not called "totopos". Totopos are the tortilla chips, not the nachos (see the wikipedia entry for totopos!).
2) Nacho cheese is not a thing. The chips are covered with cheese, so it should just say cheese.
3) Since this "nacho cheese" does not actually exist, it does not come from Mexico. Nachos is a Tex-Mex food item, and as such all processed
"nacho cheeses" come from the US.
4) "Salsa" is just the Spanish word for sauce, so the entry should read that they have sauce on them, because that is what salsa means.
In the "see also" links, there should be a link to Tex Mex food, and NOT to Mexican food. How can I make these changes without having some moderator reverse them? I don't want to give the impression that I'm trolling, but it's frustrating that I make a change to improve an entry and have it reverted by a mod.Alfachino (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you find a reliable, external source that supports what you have written above? I'm not doubting your knowledge, but Wikipedia likes proper sourcing. HiLo48 (talk) 22:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the bits about Nacho Cheese being from Mexico, it is indeed a Tex Mex product (which is sourced by the US companies that produce it), and no sources were listed for it's supposed Mexican origins. The onus is on the one who added it to prove this is true, not to show that it is false. Livingston 06:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Not totopos or nacho cheese 

message: To User:Opus88888 please explain why you continue to undo my sourced edits without explanation. You have not justified why nachos are not Tex-Mex cuisine: the source you give says they were created in Mexico- which I'm not arguing against. In fact, one of the sources I give, also mentions this. Your source does not give any indication of it belonging to Mexican cuisine. While both sources I give clearly state nachos are Tex-Mex. I want dialogue so we can come to a consensus. Xochiztli (talk) 05:10, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The original change I made didn't change any sourced content, you gave a source (as I've said, it says that nachos were created in Mexico). I replace your source-which doesn't addess whether they are Mexican cuisine- with sources that say they are Tex-Mex and then you proceed to undo my edits without explanation. What gives? If you are so adamant about them not being Tex-Mex give sources that clearly state so. Xochiztli (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: , if you mean vaguely discussed, then that is was. While your sources provide the term "Tex-Mex," it fails to verify its origin. However, in other sourced texts, it explicitly says that it was first made in Mexico. So judging by that, I am not sure that those sources for Tex-Mex are credible given the fact that little to no information of its origin is provided. Here's a discussion. Please explain. Thanks. Savvyjack23 (talk) 05:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: User:Savvyjack23, it seems the issue has been around defining Tex-Mex. From what I can tell, the most common usage is as a generalized term for the cuisine of the Southwest US (not just limited to Texas). In addition, the term is sometimes extended to include northern Mexico (specifically the border region). As to nachos being Tex-Mex, it's not just those sources, that's how it's usually classified in cookbooks. However, including one of those as sources seemed less credible to me. The first source clearly states they were first made in the border city of Piedras Negras, Coahuila, as do a lot of other books that classify the dish as Tex-Mex (examples 1, 2, 3). Nachos are a pretty trivial topic, I don't think you're going to find a deep analysis of why they are or aren't Tex-Mex. Again, the problem lies in the ambiguity of the term (even the Tex-Mex article doesn't have a solid definition). I have no desire whatsoever to argue about what Tex-Mex means. I just see that nachos are commonly classified as being part of that cuisine in published sources. Just because it was first created in Mexico doesn't automatically qualify it to be part of the world heritage cuisine of central Mexico (which is what the article seemed to imply at one point). Xochiztli (talk) 20:48, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Tex Mex

message: This edit changes the creator in the lead section from Ignacio "Nacho" Anaya to "Jose Chio Lu". The edit summary is too long, so the source given in it is cut off. In the future, please cite sources inline.
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Searching based on the partial URL, I came up with this article, which is apparently a machine translation of the original. The article credits waiter Ignacio Anaya, "guided by" chef "Jose Evan Chio that time Lu". Our well-sourced version skips the chef and puts it all on "maître d'hôtel, Ignacio 'Nacho' Anaya".
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The new source cites a brief Zócalo Saltillo story from 2013. Our version cites longer stories: One, credited to the OED resercher working on the etymology of the name, from 1999, in OED News and the other (telling a substantially identical story) a 2002 San Antonio Express-News article.
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As the new edit claims a conflict of interest ("By proving the truth. My Grandfather was the chef at El Moderno who created the "nacho" that Ignacio guy took the credit for it.") and creates confusion in the article (with the lead and body telling different stories), I have reverted the edit.
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Comments on how we should approach this? - SummerPhDv2.0 15:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: *My opinion: The OED is still on board with the version we have. Searching around, I find minor variations to the core story, some including the "guidance" of the chef, others not. Many of the articles including the chef still hang the title of "creator" on Anaya. I have not found longer stories in reliable sources that include the chef. A plaque in town apparently credits Anaya. Until such time as coverage in reliable sources regularly involves the chef in the creation (in some capacity other than vague "guidance"), I don't see us including him. - SummerPhDv2.0 15:16, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Creator 

message: Shredded cheese is not a type of cheese any more than sliced bread is a type of bread. Specific varieties of cheese should be identified, not simply forms that cheeses may take. Keith D. Tyler ¶ 20:31, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Types of cheese 

message: The article starts off stating nachos are Mexican cuisine, yet the main image is some nonsense from Malaysia.  I think it would make much more sense to depict nachos in their traditional mexican form, and put the malaysian "nachos" in a gallery.  2601:243:C001:49E0:812F:A86C:4146:4264 (talk) 17:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: There is no "traditional Mexican form", as the dish further developed its popularity and ingredients in Texas (and elsewhere in the United States) rather than in Mexico. It would be more accurate to describe it as Tex-Mex cuisine rather than Mexican cuisine. Crasias (talk) 09:50, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mexican Cuisine 

message: :The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 
The result of the move request was: procedural close; requester has been blocked as a sock, and no other editor has supported the proposal.  Dekimasuよ! 15:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Nachos →  – =Wikipedia articles use the singular form.  Amogus girl (talk) 01:02, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested move 25 December 2022