Talk:I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings

message: This is my "last-minute" checklist for FAC:
* Final copyedit
:I did this, and left some questions in my edit summaries. Scartol • Tok 16:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I saw those, and addressed them. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 04:09, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

text: *We just need specific information on the Stamps census information which is the basis of the Stamps map - that is leftover from my review above. Awadewit (talk) 16:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The description page states that it was created based on information in the public domain.  Is that enough? --Figureskatingfan (talk) 20:37, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I must say, trying to track down the census data used for this image seems a little extreme to me. The image matches this map of Stamps, so we know it's generally accurate — and we're agreed that the image is free, yeah? Scartol • Tok 15:52, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Image information must be verifiable, too. That means we have to source it at the same level as article information. We can't just say "US census bureau" - we have to give readers the full citation. In cases such as this, leaving a note for the image creator to add the needed info usually solves the problem. Awadewit (talk) 16:15, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, made the request. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 17:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The last time that person contributed was November 2008. I'll see what I can find. Awadewit (talk) 17:54, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've added links from the US census bureau. This is now taken care of. Awadewit (talk) 18:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Made the request. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks like Epbr123 hasn't edited in about a month. We may have to forgo this and just deal with it at FAC. Awadewit (talk) 17:51, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I feel pretty confident that I caught most of the MOS stuff on my last copyedit. I think we're looking pretty good! Scartol • Tok 00:09, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

text: Made this request, too. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 21:44, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

text: *I've done this. Awadewit (talk) 06:47, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

text: *I've also done some more copyediting. Awadewit (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

text: I think you should go ahead - you should be really proud of all the hard work you've done. This looks excellent! Awadewit (talk) 03:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, and done.  I'm so nervous!  And excited, too.  Yes, I am very proud.  Thanks to you, Awadewit, and Scartol and Moni3 for your help.  Now I will archive this talk page. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, very proud indeed. Off we go to FACland! I have a good feeling about this one. Scartol • Tok 15:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Proud--that's the Word on the Street!  Actually, I'm reminded of this Sesame Street clip, which is very appropriate for all of us. ;) (Most of you already know that SS is the other WP project that's grabbed my attention these days.) --Figureskatingfan (talk) 18:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Final preparations for FAC 

message: Whoo hoo!  We did it!  Thanks to all who worked tirelessly to get this article to featured article.  It took so much work, but it was so worth it.  The first time this article was nominated was a year ago, in anticipation of Maya Angelou's 80th birthday.  Better late than never, as they say, eh?  I think it'd be a fitting tribute if this article was on the main page for her 81th birthday on April 4.  It may mean that it's the shortest time at FA before being put on the main page, but it won't hurt to try.  So that's where we're going next. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 03:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This is for you, and everyone else who effervesces the aroma of a woman in full bloom. Maya Angelou writes for Hallmark. Yee haw, FSF. --Moni3 (talk) 12:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: And I'll one-up-ya on another Maya Angelou parody.  Should we start a parody section on her bio page? ;) --Figureskatingfan (talk) 13:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Featured article 

message: Without wanting to rain on the FA-stivities, we seem to have a dilemma about where to place the images and quote boxes starting with the "Racism" section. In the article's current incarnation, the pic of MLK and the quote box at the start of the "Rape" section are just below the third-level (===) headings. This is a big MOS no-no. Alas, my response in the past has been to move the image up to just above the third-level heading, but apparently this is frowned upon because it removes the image from the technical sectioning that it's supposed to be associated with. (Apparently this is a particular problem with assisted-reading software.) 
The MOS suggests moving images down, but we don't seem to have much room to do that sort of thing here. Maybe we need to remove one of the quote boxes in order to make room? (Not that I want to start a big discussion about quote boxes, since I know that sometimes spins out of control, heh.) I recommend we remove the quote box with the poem excerpt, move the MLK pic down a paragraph, and move the Opal Moore quote box to the right side. Scartol • Tok 19:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It seems to me that this problem started when SandyGeorgia had a MOS issue about the way MA was facing.  Would the solution be to simply move the images to where they were before that?  Just asking. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I tweaked some of the images and quoteboxes. The racism section may still sandwich the text, but the upright tags help with that. If people make a fuss, you may have to make a decision between the image or Dr. King and the final quote of the book. --Moni3 (talk) 19:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image placement 

message: Congratulations on making the main page!  It's great to see Maya after a few days of hunting dogs and meningitis.  However, I wince a little when I see the word "victim" so early on.  I suppose that's one way of summarizing Angelou's first volume - but does she use that actual word or not?  If she does, an inline citation would be great.  My memory is that she doesn't, so...where's the citation?  Is the case that lead articles are de-wikified to be less intimidating to the average reader?  I would hope not!  I'm too new to this aspect of Wiki to know...but, if language had to be chosen to summarize Maya's views of her own childhood, I think perhaps the victim-word could have been qualified.  It's complex - which means that there's no excuse for oversimplification.  I could have equally selected the phrase "inferiority complex" as my example.  IIRC, neither links to another WikiArticle, but one of them certainly should (inferiority complex).  Equally, I could have chosen "racism," which is not a simple word - but an entire set of WikiArticles.  It should have gone to those places, yes?  LeValley (talk) 02:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Room for improvement 

message: In the past couple of days, I went through this article and changed some capitalizations.  The changes were inspired by User:Moni3, who copyedited Singin' and Swingin' and Gettin' Merry Like Christmas in anticipation of re-submitting that article for FAC.  Instead of re-creating that discussion here, I refer you to it:  Christine (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Capitalization usage 

message: No infobox used? Template:Infobox book can be used here.  §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:08, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: There's no infobox because reviewers have agreed that since they're optional, this sterling example of an FA doesn't need one.  See   I'm no longer as adamant about the evil of infoboxes as I once was, but I still think that this article doesn't need one. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox? 

message: As I'm improving this article for WP:URFA, I'm coming across some sources we should use.  See below.
* Working class autobiography, pp. 33, 58-68 
* MSNBC article about Angelou's activism  Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sources 

message: I've been going through this article in the last month, returning to its sources in order to better mine them for content. It's become clear that there's a need to include content about the theme of motherhood in Caged Bird. To that end, see below for a list of the sources that discuss it, even briefly:
* McPherson (1999): pp. 32-33, 41-42
* Vermillion (1999): pp. 70ff
* Arensberg (1999): pp. 117ff, 120, 125-126
* Lupton (1999): entire article discusses motherhood/family; also includes next 4 autobiographies 
Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:46, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Need for Motherhood section