Talk:Half-truth

message: reversed redirect to deception as the deception article itself contains a link to this article. --Dave 07:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Untitled

message: Let me try to explain the correlation betweeen Truth and thinking in color, or colour, or colo(u)rs.
A half-truth, in a specific sense, is a truth, distinct, yet different from other absolute/relative minor truths (half-truths).
If we draw an analogy between LIGHT, colorless full spectrum LIGHT as The Truth, a color is a part of this, a refracted half-truth.
My suggestion is that we also introduce the term, part-of-the-truth, or anti-truth to more directly paint the picture of a half-truth, not a half-truth that is partly true, but a half-truth that is a truth, but not all the truth.
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 02:45, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you want to write an article about thinking in colour, go ahead and start one. If you want to use the article on half-truth to draw attention to your own theory, please expect me cut such content on the grounds of WP:OR. Also, linking in material that does not maintain context, such as"It is trying to treat them as whole truths that plays the devil", will probably be reversed as an obvious attempt to inappropriately introduce a religious point of view (WP:NPOV. Can I suggest you search the web for material that supports your text before editing the article. A good test is to try to find something written by someone other than yourself that supports the assertion. If you can't do that it is more than likely the material will fail the " no original research" test. --Dave 03:06, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Colors of Truth

message: Here is another example given to me:
Half-truth can be a word.
For example:  quarter ?
Quarter usually represents 25 out of 100.
Then why is a quarter after 3, 15 minutes after 3 ?
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 16:11, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Because 15 minutes is a quarter of an hour!?! — Dunc|☺ 16:53, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

text: A quarter does not "usually" represent 25 out of 100, but 1/4 of whatever number. Like 15 is a quarter of 60. Or 20 is a quarter of 80. Or 2.142 is a quarter of 8.568. It is not a half-truth, just a common understanding of the word. There is nothing remotely false about the statement "it's quarter after 3" (if it's really is 3:15). IronChris  |  (talk) 17:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about time 

message: Deos the current definition include a statement that is part of a paragraph.  The statement ignores of the sentences.
Example:
This statement is used to promote war.
"no greater love hath any man than to lay down his life for his fellow man......(a few sentences later)...Love oneanother."
So by taking that sentence and eaving out the one about 'loveanother', the statement can be used to manipulate war...
"Lay down your life..." is not suppose to mean a physical death, but merely an abstract lay down...give it up for mankind as in servitude...
HOpe someone may use this to  improve the definition...
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 21:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question about part of a paragraph 

message: There are two classic half-truths that began the revolution into the definition of truth.
"Child abuse: Men who abuse, women and children victims."
While men, women and children are all noted, the model is very polaraizing.
A more correct model of child abuse should be, "Some people who abuse children,( ie some men, some women and some children) including systems and children who abuse themselves" ?
"Spousal Abuse: Stop violence against women"
The real issue is abuse, not violence.  In that realm of half-truth logic, silence can be abusive.  The model obviously ignores the abuse of men, and promotes a biased polarized model of the heterosexual family unit.  The model also infers that violence is by men against women, and ignores the reality that 100% of women abused in lesbian relationships is by other lesbian women.
A more correct model would be 'stop abuse period'.
Problem has been that some social agencies have become 'parsitic' financially feeding off of social 'problems', creating an incentive to expand the definition of 'abuse', and manipulating the reality that 'nothing' and no one is perfect.
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 22:19, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violence and abuse. 

message: I walk in to a bank and a person looks at me and ask, "are you a nigro?"...
I am thinking this fellow is either out of it or wants to pick a fight.
"Are you a nigro?"
I just ignore him...
"Are you related to the Nigro family ?  (ie Mr. and Mrs. Nigro who lived beside me when i was a little boy.)
(I had just come back from a vacation and a little tanned I presumed he was...well it went over my head !!)
--Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 02:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I guess there's a point here that communication and linguistically-mediated thought is always inherently flawed because our linguistic structures and embodied existence are inherently imperfect. And if you think/feel differently to the norm, the prevailing linguistic structure can be even more imperfect/unreliable a conveyor of truth EverSince (talk) 20:38, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  A "word" with two meanings. 

message: *Property tax (rate) increase this year 3%The city announces "that the property tax rate ( the levy ) increase this year is only 3%". This ignores that in the previous three years property tax increases have been 20%, and that the interest increase this year, is compounded on the prior year increases, for a real increase of 25% over four years. (This does not include increases caused by increases in accessed value also part of the property tax calculation- levy x accessed value = property taxes).Critics of Property Tax Increases 
The logic of property taxes based on 'property values' is certain to become a classic example of flawed logic.  
 
     Look at the sentence, "the property tax rate ( the levy ) increase this year is only 3%". It is wholly true, because it 
     has stipulated that this change is ONLY over one year (not the previous 3). You could basically follow your logic all the 
     way back to the beggining of tax-time, adding up every tax increase and saying that is the "bad half" of the truth
     Maybe if you said that "Property taxes have only increased 3%" it would be closer to a half truth because it omits the   
     larger breadth of the increase, but i still think it misses the mark. -Eric
  
- *Canada has Public Health Care System Health care in Canada is often referred to as a public system. In reality it is pubically funded, yet most all services are provided by private entities. It is half public and half private.Public verses Private Health Care 
     This your closest yet to a genuine half-truth. But it depends on the definition of Public Health care. If all it means 
     is that the health care is publicly funded, then  this statement is fully true. And since I live in Canada, I know that
     all public health care means is that it is that it is provided by (monetarily) and available to the public.
     If it werent for this technicality in definition, i'd say you had a genuine half truth. Heres a closer one using a   
     similar example though.
     We have a "Seperate Schoolboard". It is seperate from the Public Board. But it is still funded with tax money (where    
     taxpayers choose too)and can be attended by any members of the public, and its employees are essentially government 
     workers. - Eric
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 23:55, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I can't speak for other editors, but I'm not offended.  I'm just agreeing with Kenosis that we need citation that other people have considered these things half-truths.  If you have groundbreaking insights into half-truths, blogspot is that-a-way. JChap2007 03:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Two more good examples that should be included. 

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message: Dictionary wrong about half-truths.
The definitiono f 'half-truth' in Websters Online site is as follows:
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Half-truth
One entry found.
half-truth  
   
Main Entry: half–truth  
Pronunciation: \-ˌtrüth\ 
Function: noun 
Date: 1658 
1 : a statement that is only partially true 
2 : a statement that mingles truth and falsehood with deliberate intent to deceive  
Site Link:  July 15, 2008 
Websters Defintion of Half-truth - July 15, 2008
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The entry is incomplete, for it fails to acknowledge a half-truth as being a statment that ignores other truths, however it is true.
Research discovered this component to half-truth back in 1994, and you can see it has not been corrected in all dictionaries.
So be  careful, not everything you read is complete, and may be missing items, important to it....
Is there a 'political agenda' to ignore this dimension of truth.
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 17:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If the "research" which promoted this new definition is noteworthy, it can be included in the article.  However, if it's merely a fringe theory, then Wikipedia is not the place to promote it, or to ask whether its failure to gain mainstream attention reflects a "political agenda".  —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dictionary wrong about half-truths. 

message: Original research lead.
In 1994, I noted that the definition of half-truth was incomplete and one type the truth that lies, was shown to me as being identified by Alfred North Whitehead.  
While his statment that 'there are no whole truths and that treating them as whole truths plays the devil', did not specifically define the particular half-truth he was referring to, he obviously knew of them.
So why was this kept a secret ?
Alfred was involved in Germany before and after the 2nd world war, so who else used this deceptive form of truth ?
There are some references to Alfred Whitehead, however there appears to be a logical void that should be researched.
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 03:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logical void needs explanation. 

message: While this is original research, someone can hopefully clarify the listing for half-truth.
If we accept Mr. Whiteheads observation that all truths are in fact half-truths, we must also accept the conclusion that some half-truths may lead to the proper conclusion, some as explained previously lead to a false conclusion, or a lie.
So the duality of half-truths; some lie, some tell the truth, or at least lead you closer to it, either by mere co-incidence or by being a close lead to it.
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 15:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Whitehead's comment expanded. 

message: Way too much of this article sounds like the research of the user who originally created this page (who appears to be User:Caesarjbsquitti); the fact that entire sections of the article lack citations further backs up my suspicion. Morgan695 17:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Original research 

message: Here is modern day half-truth.
The olympics and medal standings.
Some networks show the USA ahead with medal count, while some other networks show China ahead with a point system that rewards gold medals.
You should not treat all medals as equals, for they are not. A point system should be the better system ?
--Caesar J. B. Squitti  :  Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti 17:35, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum for discussion.  Nor are its talk pages.  The medal standings for the Olympics are not relevant to the encyclopedia article about half-truth, unless a reliable source has said something connecting the two.  —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 01:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Olympics and half-truths. 

message: Suggestion:
To find another reliable source for half-truths.
It was recently noted that the Canadian Auto Workers have developed a program based on the slogan, "Stop Violence...for your daughers !"
It is obviously missing 'for your sons'
Tried to include this observation, however perhaps those who are so motivated may try to find another reliable source.
--Caesar J.B. Squitti: Son of Maryann Rosso and Arthur Natale Squitti (talk) 19:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stop Violence...for your daughters. 

message: Currently, there is a focus on half-truth as deliberate deception. A half-truth, however, need not be intended, but can also result through lack of knowledge, a simplification, or similar. Consider e.g. a teacher telling
a student that the electrons of an atom circle the core as planets does a star: This is a half-truth, possibly even a non-truth, but there is typically no deception intended.
88.77.180.196 (talk) 03:03, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misleading article