Talk:Trans-Siberian Orchestra

message: isn't it kind of unnecessary to write that they are 'metal that is heavily influenced by classical music' when thats the definition for Neo-classical metal in the first place?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.144.131.61 (talk) 01:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Neo-Metal

message: I really think that you need to add Daryl Pediford to the list of former members.  He was a very important part of TSO and they all miss him dearly.  If you don't know who he is, Listen to Music Box Blues on The Christmas Attic.  Google him, whatever.  He was and will forever be an important part of TSO. 
66.211.75.85 (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Former Members

message: Just curious, but are TSO realy considered power metal? I don't know myself, but when I think of power metal; Sonata Arctica, Rhapsody of Fire, and DragonForce come to mind. While I am still somewhat new to the genre, do TSO embody the genre?Captain Spyro 08:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Power Metal?

message: After their 2007 Kansas City concert, during the time when they give autographs, I asked a band member on the status of NightCastle's release date, and he said that it would be between June and September of 2007 (at the VERY latest.)  I am not sure if my word alone has enough credibility to add this info in to the artical, so I didn't do it (as I have no proof to back it up.) But if any one feels that it would be ok to add this info, please do.    
:At their December 1, 2007 Grand Rapids concert, Chris Caffrey jokingly asked what we'd see first: "a McDonalds on Mars, or the release of NightCastle." Later that evening, band creator Paul O'Neill came out and promised not only that the album would be completed in Spring 2008, but that the Trans-Siberian Orchestra would be coming back to Grand Rapids for a summer tour to promote it.
:As this was the first appearance of Paul O'Neill in Grand Rapids, MI with TSO, it would seem to lend credence to their determination to finally get the album out.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.205.144.251 (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: NightCastle Release Date

message: Should it be known that TSO did NOT work with Metallica at all?  Most people think that Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 24/12 is done by Metallica when it really was origianly done by Savatage on their Dead Winter Dead album.  An origin to this problem would be nice too, if any one has one.  (I think it started with a mislable on the radio, but I dont have any evidence.) Sanctusorium
"The group is based in New York City, but they will frequently tour worldwide, bringing their music to sometimes obscure areas. "  TSO does NOT tour worldwide.  In fact, they only recently have been including Canada on their tours if I recall and don't believe they have ever toured outside of North America.... yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.156.77.13 (talk) 21:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I have found an MP3 on radioblogclub.com of TSO performing Carrol of the Bells with Metallica. 205.247.164.49 16:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I assure you it is mislabeled.  Check this link first off... http://www-tech.mit.edu/V121/N66/robert_kinkel_i.66a.html Also, its not called Carol of the Bells, it is Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 24/12. Sanctusorium 19:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You are qute right.  My appologies. Lizardking42 01:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I first noticed the error back in the original Napster days when a copy of an mp3 called Trans-Siberian Orchestra with Metallica - Christmas Eve Sarajevo 24/12.mp3 was going around and it was the most common mp3 in a TSO search. I believe it was common to mislabel tracks in order to get more attention. I imagine that someone mislabeled it so that it would show up in Metallica searches --Nathan Holland 15:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Metallica did do some collaborative work with the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra in 1999, but only with Metallica songs, the strong rock influence in Christmas Eve-Sarajevo, combined with the vague knowledge that Metallica had worked with a symphony at some time right around the napster era could have conceivably led to the confusion.--Compgeek86 23:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: TSO Confusion

message: I thought for a minute that the Night Castle project featuring "O Fortuna" from Carmina Burana had been renamed for some reason.  Best I can tell, Babysteps is a side project for one of the members of TSO.  It appears to be a Henning Pauly project, predominatly and does not replace or supercede the Night Castle project in any way, so I am going to revert the recent change.  See this news article for info.  If I am mistaken on this info, please feel free to let me know.  UnhandledException 01:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Babysteps 

message: http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=1447 apparently, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra is a "Orchestral/progressive rock/metal" band. dposse 03:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  metal? 

message: What's the difference? Are they the same group, or just the same genre? I always thought that Mannheim Steamroller changed their name to Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Please straighten this out. The encyclopedia article only confuses me more. (why is TSO linked to Mannheim? Is it because they are the same genre?) Morganismysheltie 21:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Semi-similar genre (both adapt classical/classical-esque music to modern instruments), but no relation between the two.  Mannheim Steamroller was founded by Chip Davis in 1975.  TSO was created by Paul O'Neill in 1996.  They're under different labels and share no artists between them. The Dark 11:59, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

text: Perhaps then the "See Also" reference should include the notation of "(Similar Style)".  I was not confused about naming or membership, but I did question why that link was there.  Mgg4 (talk) 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: TSO and Mannheim Steamroller

message: I recently found this little snippet in the intro section, "It is widely accepted that the band is joke and is collectively thought to be the biggest sale out in rock history."  I immediately removed it.  Keep an eye out for recurring offenses. Perditor 03:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It was indeed vandalism. Thanks for reverting it. Axem Titanium 04:43, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A vandal with bad grammar..."sale out" indeed = - >Ten of Swords (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: I have all 4 of TSO's discs. I have been, unsuccessfully, trying to find their hair raising version of Carol of the Bells on any one of these four discs that they perfom in concert and that you hear so much of this time of year. Help!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anamcara6611 (talk • contribs).
:Here you go: Christmas Eve/Sarajevo 12/24 Mikemill 20:16, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Song Help

message: I'm not sure if anyone has seen the short video called "house lights" on you tube, but it is video of christmas lights on a house synced up to a piece by TSO. It's gotten pretty popular, although I don't know the name of the piece in. Anyone think it's worth mentioning as trivia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Klazmar (talk • contribs) 09:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: House Lights

message: The article on "Night Castle" has been merged into this band article pursuant to an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Night Castle. When the album is released, the material can be divided back out to :Night Castle by the process set out at Wikipedia:Summary style. Specifically, the division must be noted in the edit summaries of the articles to ensure GFDL compliance. As an example, in the edit summary of :Night Castle, you might say "Material split from Trans-Siberian Orchestra". In the meantime, the material in this article may be freely edited, but please do not split the material out until either the album is released or there is significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources enough to verify current notability. If you have any questions about this or about the procedure, please let me know at my talk page or ask them at Wikipedia's help desk, generally manned around the clock by volunteers. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Night Castle merge 

message: Let me know if we should add this, this is from ytsejam.com a few days ago....
Jon Oliva: 
Still making music with the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, a new album is in the works with a hopeful release date for late fall. It's a big project, probably the biggest yet and according to Oliva it’s also the strongest album that the big project has created. “We’re finishing up our double album,” hints Oliva, “Half of it’s a ‘rock opera,’ you know Paul O’Neill is famous for his ‘rock opera’ and the other half is instrumental. It’s called Nightcastle and we are in the final recording stages, we’re scheduled to mix the album August 10th, so right now Al Pitrelli is down here in Florida with me and every night we are down here doing the final guitar tracks and solo tracks; it’s great, it’s a brilliant record, it’s taken two-and-a-half years to do but, I think that once people hear it they are going to be quite surprised. It’s got some great material, that in my opinion, is the best yet that I have done with TSO, I’m looking forward to it, it’s got some really great songs. That should be out by Christmas, hope” 
Thanks for the link Kat 
http://www.ytsejam.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7294  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snuffereet (talk • contribs) 10:10, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Night Castle is still being recorded, according to a radio interview with Johnny Lee Middleton (bass) in February 2009. He is scheduled to record some tracks in May and the studio is booked through June. Sparklynn (talk) 23:43, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Night Castle Update

message: I posted something on Night Castle.  The site is legit by Night Castle management.  I still have trouble trying to cite things, anyone is welcome to help me out.  thanks!  70.180.231.90 (talk) 11:14, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The site is legitimate, but any conclusions drawn are merely speculative. October 2009 is a reasonable guess but cannot be verified. Sparklynn (talk) 20:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

text: There has been a fair amount of discussion at the TSO Yahoo group and the TSO Express message board, including possible translations of the writing, which is Latin and Vietnamese. And analysis of the possible translations. And analysis of the analysis. :) It's also important to keep in mind that the site has not been officially announced by TSO management, only "leaked" by way of a Google robot, which indexed it, and someone who stumbled across the Google listing. And it seems the pages change periodically; development appears to not yet be complete. Why the site is being developed on a publicly-accessible server is anyone's guess. Sparklynn (talk) 06:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

text: That's what I get for trying to be a know-it-all. The song "inside the castle" is not the DWD version of M&M, so I figured it was Mozart -- not Sava. Learn something new every day! TK, I am at CC's already -- I'm his "spark" with the JLM/Sava sig, I'm easy to find. PM me there if you want and let me know who you are. Sparklynn (talk) 22:22, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

text: Glad you agree! Sparklynn (talk) 19:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Night Castle update

message: The TSO also have a video for "Requiem (The Fifth)" from Beethoven's Last Night. Should this be added to the videos section?
--Mayor Coffee Bean (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video 

message: Does anyone know the east/west line-up for the 2009 tour yet? If so can you please post it! Thanks  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.110.158.217 (talk) 19:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 tour Line-up?

message: One note: Trans-Sib does not play classical music in its pure, orchestral form. The way of modern re-arrangements of classical pieces is called "neo-classical crossover". There's still a question, should we link Trans-Sib to more general article crossover (music), or to more specific yet disputable Neoclassical metal? Garret Beaumain (talk) 13:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Classical tag

message: Should there be mention somewhere of the special guests that have appeared at the 8pm showing in New Jersey? I've gone to the last 2 shows in that time slot. Last year Steven Tyler of Aerosmith did 2 songs, and this year Joe Walsh did "Life's Been Good" and "Rocky Mountain Way". I have been told that 2007 was Chris Daughtry and 2006 was Roger Daltrey.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsbach4 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would vote against this, unless we add a complete listing of guest appearances. (There have been many, in many locations.) Note that it will also be difficult to provide references. The supposed Chris Daughtry appearance, to the best of my knowledge, did not occur. Sparklynn (talk) 04:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Guest appearances at New Jersey 8pm shows 

message: Something has to be done about the list of members. There is a core group -- essentially, the Savatage musicians (Oliva, Pitrelli, Caffery, Middleton, and Plate), plus Kinkel -- but it's hard to say they "are" TSO. Some would argue that only Paul O'Neill "is" TSO, or the quartet of O'Neill, Pitrelli, Oliva, and Kinkel... 
Regardless: other than those key members and the active touring roster, "membership" in TSO is fairly nebulous. Some musicians/vocalists appear only on recordings, some have participated only as touring members, many as both. Would someone who appeared on one album be a "guest musician" or a "former member" or what? Should someone who appears on every record but never tours be considered a "former" member, when by all expectation he'll be on the next record too? 
The most logical solution would be to abandon the concept of "membership" entirely, and simply provide individual lists of personnel for each record and each tour. But that becomes a fairly massive list. (Not to mention repetitive: for example, the 2008 and 2009 touring rosters were nearly identical.) The other option would be a single, alphabetical list of everyone who's ever done anything remotely TSO-related, followed by their contribution. For example:
Tim Hockenberry (vocals: NC; tour 2008-2009)
Johnny Lee Middleton (bass: CEAOS, TCA, BLN, TLCE, NC; tour 1999-2000, 2002-2009)
Al Pitrelli (guitar:  CEAOS, TCA, BLN, TLCE, NC; tour 1999, 2001-2009)
And so on. That's massive too, but at least a little less repetitive. 
Either way, however, verifiable references will be hard to come by. I "know" this stuff because it's my job, but how can I *prove* that Malcolm Gold played bass on the 2001 tour? 
Thoughts, anyone? Sparklynn (talk) 04:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Members List 

message: On the page "Poets and Madmen" (the Savatage album), it says:
The album cover was drawn by Edgar Jerins, who was responsible for the covers of Dead Winter Dead, The Wake of Magellan and all of the Trans-Siberian Orchestra albums released to date.
Seems to conflict with the information on this page:
Trans-Siberian Orchestra released their debut album Christmas Eve and Other Stories in 1996, and it remains their best-selling album. From then on, TSO cover arts are painted by popular artist Greg Hildebrandt.
which is a little confusing to me in its own right.
Insomniac Chicago (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Artist? 

message: Oh dear: "Also since every Tso album to date has included a rock opera it is extremely important read ad the before listening to reget the full impact of the music. The stories and iliistration to recieve the full impact of the music. To not do so woud be epuivelant of watching a great movie with the sound turned off." EdX20 (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  First Paragraph needs revising 

message: According to the page at http://www.trans-siberian.com/about/composers.php, the band was formed in 1996, not 1993.  Also, I didn't see anything on that page confirming that Atlantic records approached O'Neill as stated in the article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MichaelR. (talk • contribs) 21:06, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Band Beginnings Errors 

message: -As with the comments below, I am a massive fan of TSO myself, but many aspects of the entire page are written sounding like either a press release or material written by an enthusiastic fan. The section talking about ticket pricing, musical direction, all around that entire area the writing is very much out of sync with an encyclopedia article.  
I do not think I am the person to do this properly but wanted to point this out so that a neutral wikipedia editor could go over this article and do it the justice TSO deserves, because I fear many readers would start rolling their eyes and looking elswhere after a certain point.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.70.41.240 (talk) 17:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: S/He's reverted everything back to his/her changes again. I've tried to fix it for you again. (Might we be able to lock-down the edits to this page?) Lhynard (talk) 16:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I hope that it will not come to that. Let's assume that he will be reasonable and that his next attempt to edit this article will address the issues that you and I have raised. Thanks for your help on this. Ground Zero | t 16:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Also, s/he actually restored his/her edits before I posted my explanation of why I had removed them, so s/he may not have understood what the problems were when s/he reverted. Now that s/he does, further edits should address the problems. Ground Zero | t 17:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Quality control

message: This section was recently added and seems to need some help. There's a quote from Paul O'Neill, which is nice, but I'm not sure it's notable. The Metacritic paragraph is not only not particularly notable, but not on-topic for the section. Can it be revised, or should it be removed? Boomshadow talk contribs 13:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Fans and Crew 

message: There have been a few edits referring to the source of MusicMight here. According to their About Us page, "Want to add information to this database? Just register - it's simple! You can add as much or as little information as you'd like". Per WP:USERGENERATED, " This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), CBDB.com, content farms, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users.". This site seems to follow this rule. I don't think it should be included as a source for this or any article. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:23, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: It's more complicated than that. The content is to some extent user-submitted, but much of it is not, but simply copied from Sharpe-Young's published books, and even the user-submitted content was edited by him. See here (it's a search, that's why it's a redlink, but it works) and especially WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 38#MusicMight. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:12, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Music Might source

message: For interested TSO editors: I ran across this article that has a wealth of historical information from a reliable source (The Wall Street Journal).  Editors with more familiarity with this TSO wiki-article may want to incorporate new content.  Full citation you can copy:

will display as: 
:^ Shah, Neil (December 3, 2015). "How the Trans-Siberian Orchestra Became a Holiday Hit Machine". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on December 4, 2015.
Happy Editing! —RCraig09 (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cite to excellent Wall Street Journal article 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Why no mention of (or Wikipedia link to) George Lynch?
fwchapman (talk) 05:22, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  George Lynch 

message: An anonymous user recently removed a longstanding paragraph of this article, on bands influenced, which was under the TSO's Influence heading.  I do not believe the paragraph is inappropriate or deserving of deletion.  But I'm bringing it up here, rather than reversing the deletion, in can anyone feels the issue merits discussion here.
For the record, i have no connection whatsoever to the band referenced.  However, as the Wizards of Winter include former members of TSO, and are clearly influenced by TSO, I think it belongs in the section on TSO's influence.  The actual paragraph i sbelow. 
Bands influenced
In 2009, a group of musicians from the metro New York area formed a band, called The Wizards of Winter, inspired by TSO. The Wizards released their own limited-release Christmas album in 2011 while performing a mixture of TSO and original material in live concerts. In 2013, four of the original members of TSO — Tommy Farese, Guy LeMonnier, Tony Gaynor, and Michael Lanning toured as guests with The Wizards of Winter. Another original TSO vocalist, Joe Cerisano toured with them in 2014. The band released two new Christmas albums (The Wizards of Winter and The Magic of Winter) with Guy LeMonnier and Tony Gaynor joining the band as full members. [38] The band now performs their own original material when touring, with a few TSO songs added.[39]  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SONORAMA (talk • contribs) 16:43, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bands Influenced