Talk:Left-arm unorthodox spin

message: I'm a fan of cricket, especially spin bowling. I wondered how the likes of Shane Warne can give such a delivery, to Andrew Strauss as we saw in the second test 1st innings at Edgbaston (Ashes series 2005). I would like some enlightenment on spin bowling, I will welcome any answers, views and opinions.
Shane Warne is right arm unorthodox, not left. He bowled Strauss by putting an absurd amount of sidespin on the ball. The ball travels forwards relatively slowly, but is spinning counter-clockwise at a high rate. The ball hits the surface, the seam grips the surface and because of the direction of the spin, its movement after pitching makes it travel from right to left (the direction of the balls sidespin) and took it from the legside to the offside where it beat the bat and hit the off stump.  The trick is the generate a huge amount of sidespin and to get the seam position right so that it grips the ground on impact, and changes the direction of travel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.168.173 (talk • contribs) 
:As the ball moved from right to left, like a classical leg break, given Strauss is a left-hander, the ball moved from the offside to leg.  The ball pitched about 2 yards outside Strauss's off stump and hit the top of leg.  How he did it, God alone knows.  As we sung to Warney at the Oval that year on the final afternoon with the Ashes regained "We only wish you were English."  Ganpati23 (talk) 05:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Questions

message: I addded the bit about Maurice Leylands naming as I am a relation and this story has long been in the family. Thought I would add it. (RuSTy1989 22:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We need a authentic source, but I think the Leyland entry in Who's who of first class cricketers by Bailey, Thorn and Wynne-Thomas (1985 & 1995) mentions this. Someone will need to look it up. Tintin (talk) 06:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Maurice Leyland/ Chinaman

message: I may well be wrong but I had always understood 'a chinaman' to refer specifically to the left arm wrist spin delivery bowled with a 'googly' action causing the ball to spin from leg to off to the right handed batsman.  It appears that the common usage of the term has changed to become descriptive of the entire style of left arm wrist spin regardless of the type of delivery.  Whilst this is clearly a fairly obscure point, I feel that any clarification would be welcome.
Colin Rickard172.188.130.230 10:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: (That's an England versus Australia thing. In England we talk of "chinamen and googlies", in Australia "offies and chinamen". On the one hand more Aussies have used it at Test level (Chuck Fleetwood-Smith, Lindsay Kline, and others), on the other hand we're the parent country and get to make the rules for "universal" English. ;) ) Captain Pedant (talk) 15:20, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

text: (Further evidence: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/1041689.html In the Quotes section, Rangana Herath (himself a Test spin bowler) clearly refers to "chinamen and googlies" as distinct deliveries.) Captain Pedant (talk) 06:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chinaman - a style or type of delivery 

message: If we are to have this list, please cite sources that demonstrate that they are not only left-arm orthodox spinners but also notable ones. SamLin (talk) 09:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Notable left-arm unorthodox spinners

message: There is absolute no doubt that the story about Walter Robins calling Achong's bowling 'chinaman' is simply false. It was a racist remark about Achong himself, not a comment on the bowling. It has been whitewashed over the years, with the wrong story widely repeated, but there is conclusive evidence that Achong bowled conventionally and that Robins was talking about Achong's origins rather than his cricket.
https://oldebor.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/fancy-being-bowled-by-a-bloody-chinaman/
NB: While Wikipedia normally prefers not to use self-published sources, Old Ebor is a source so impeccable that he can credibly correct Wisden (and has!) on occasion. In any case the above reference contains is itself referenced to primary sources, and so the facts are indisputable. 2A00:23C5:CF37:4001:27D7:78DD:6C68:D12A (talk) 15:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
thread_title:  Please keep this article free of nonsense about Ellis Achong