Talk:Yuri Andropov

message: He was Christian?! Source? I find it very doubtful that not only a hardliner communist would be one, let alone the one running the KBG with his record    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.184.193 (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Christian?

message: This could sound unbelievable:
....Both campaigns were carried out by a typically Soviet administrative approach and harshness vaguely reminiscent of Stalin's rule.
But this is from my personal, documented, experience.
:*I "voluntarily" joined the "Abstinence Society", with dues, meetings, and all. I still keep the membership card.
:*At daytime, a cinema used to be blocked, people's identities verified and those who were watching movies during their worktime were punished.
The latter tale tells two things, isn't it? Mikkalai 19:48, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeh! Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Misc

message: Some are claiming he was Jewish (eg this and this). Was he? Kwantus 05:43, 2005 Jan 17 (UTC)
: This calls it a rumor. I doubt it's more than an antisemitic rumor. What's certainly clear is that he didn't practice judaism, and that he didn't consider himself to be jewish. So that pretty much rules out both the religious and ethnical aspects. He could only be jewish if you consider anyone with a jewish ancestor to be jewish, which is a poor definition, and would probably make most Europeans jewish. --BluePlatypus 02:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Why do you call it an anti-semitic rumor? If someone's ancestors are Jewish, the person is Jewish no matter what. How are most Europeans of Jewish ancestry? And the article you provided is old, written in 1983. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YMB29 (talk • contribs) 05:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Whoa. Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Andropov's mother was Jewish, thus by Jewish Law he is a Jew. If someone has a Jewish mother then they are a Jew for life, so to speak, even if they convert to other religons or turn to Atheism. 58.168.88.251 09:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: WTF Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

text: His official biography say he is Russian meaning ethnicity, not citizenship (as always in Soviet biographies and passports). So, this is definitely a Russian yellow press rumor. Note that all official Russian sources and English sources do not say that he is a Jew. I do not care at all about his ethnicity, but this "Controversy" section divides his biography into parts and makes improvement of this article very difficult. Therefore, I agree with BluePlatypus and have to remove this part at some point.Biophys 03:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yellow press?  Like this little exchange?  -- Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

text: Oh hell, when I re-wrote the history of my country to extinguish my sins I forgot to make myself handsome as well as heroic. --Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Once again, Andropov was an official head of the Soviet state; he has numerous official biographies (Russian and English). Some people here are citing a few unreliable (obscure) Russian sites that contradict hundreds of other sources and claim nonsense - "he was born in a rich Jewish family", etc. Such rumors promoted by "yellow" internet press have no place in wikipedia.Biophys 16:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Jewish origin 

message: As many other articles concerning Socialism in general and the Soviet Union in particular this article is badly in need of a total revision !
I do not want to appear immodest but I think I have written quite a good German version of the Andropov article on Wikipedia. Contrary to the English version the German one (which admittedly is still a work in progress) really tries to be both factually correct, comprehensive and (more or less) truly objective, not containing the typical Wikipedia-style gossip, factual errors and above all anti-Soviet and anti-socialist prejudices.
Since I do not have the time to do so by myself at present, perhaps somebody with a good faculty of the German language could try to translate the German article into English.
Markus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.194.203 (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Is this the FilmRiss Markus? Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Request for translation of the German version 

message: The Early life section says "Andropov was the son of a railway official and was probably born in Nagutskoye" this is disputed further down in the Controversy section.
Perhaps saying "Andropov's biography stated he was the son of a railway official" and adding a reference to the controversy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.138.204.101 (talk) 00:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is this an error or does it need rewording? 

message: To replace the Andropov photo that a 'bot deleted, I found a photo  on a Marxist website that claims that all of its content is "Creative Commons". So I presume that its OK for Wikipedia. (The only "problem" with the photo is that he's giving a quite friendly wave, for a KGB guy.)  There may be some other photos too, I didn't spend time looking through their gallery  and photo album . - Ryanjo 02:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I added an image which I photographed at the FSB Headquarters on Lubyanka Square, Moscow.  It's better than nothing.  By the way, I thought that TIME magazine covers were Fair Use; They have their own selection on the image licensing option.  Feel free to tamper with or edit.  Here is the uncropped version of the image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Andropov_at_Lubyanka.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Natebjones (talk • contribs) 14:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Apprently TIME covers are only Fair Use when the article specifically mentions the issue of TIME that the image is of.  However, simply browsing through the articles that use TIME magazine covers, it is apparent that the majority do not follow this rule at all, unless simply putting something like "[Person] on the cover of TIME magazine, [date]" in the image's caption box counts, which I doubt it does. -Palpatine 00:10, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. And even if there are many people who don't follow the rules, this doesn't mean we should not follow them too. I had removed a bunch of misused TIME images from other articles before and in some cases PD images were added in place of them (e.g. in Ho Chih Minh article). I think a good replacement can be found in this case too, one image is already added. Cmapm 00:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Image replacement 

message: Need clarity and completion regarding his first wife. It tells her name, where she was from, and that she had cancer in 1983. Nothing at all about when the marriage ended (or began). Then, nothing regarding the dates of his second marriage, only that they met during WWII. It doesn't even give the second wife's name in this section. Very poorly done. Venqax (talk) 18:11, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Personal Life 

message: Andropov's kidneys stopped working in January 1983 but he didn't die directly because of kidneys failure because as i said they totally stopped working in january 1983. His health also harmed by long-term complications of diabetes. According to the Soviet medical report Andropov suffered from several medical conditions: interstitial nephritis, nephrosclerosis, residual hypertension and diabetes, which were worsened by chronic kidney deficiency". Superzohar  Talk 16:44, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Death 

message: It seems that parts of the paragraph on his funeral were copied over from the article on Leonid Brezhnev.
Compare the additions to Andropov's funeral on 12th July 2007, 11:23
His state funeral was one of the biggest the world ever knew. A four-day period of nationwide mourning was announced. His body was lying in state in an open coffin in House of Trade Unions in Moscow. Inside the hall, mourners shuffled up a marble staircase beneath chandeliers draped in black gauze. On the stage at the left side of the hall, amid a veritable garden of flowers, a complete symphony orchestra in black tailcoats played classical music. Andropov's embalmed body, dressed in a black suit, white shirt and black-and-red tie, laid in an open coffin banked with carnations, red roses and tulips, faced the long queue of mourners. At the right side of the hall, in the front row of seats reserved for the dead leader's family, his wife Tatyana Filipovna with her reddish- tinted hair held in place with a hairclip, sat alongside with her their two children, Igor and Irina.
and to Brezhnev's funeral on 23th June 2007, 13:56
He was honoured with one of the largest and impressive funerals in the world. His body was placed in an open coffin in House of Trade Unions in moscow. Inside the hall, mourners shuffled up a marble staircase beneath chandeliers draped in black gauze. On the stage, amid a veritable garden of flowers, a complete symphony orchestra in black tailcoats played classical music. Brezhnev's embalmed body, dressed in a black suit, white shirt and black-and-red tie, faced the long queue of mourners.
and on 12th July 2007, 13:45
At the right side of the hall, in the front row of seats reserved for the dead leader's family, his wife Viktoria, sat alongside with her their two children, Galina and Yuri.
 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.246.7.154 (talk) 17:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Funeral 

message: There are very few clickable references.
Some of them seem to be out of date. dima 02:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  references 

message: Is it true that Andropov's family's original surname was "Lieberman," as some websites state? Badagnani 05:54, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes. You can read about it in the "controversy" section about hus origin. M.V.E.i. 19:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read about it or believe it?  --Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Surname

message: A very interesting addition.  I think it needs to be sourced though.  Where is it from?
Natebjones 15:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Arkady Volsky Account.

message: I think this article does not describe real deeds of Andropov. One important aspect is his involvement in organization of international terrorism worldwide [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1398086/posts]. Another is his role in Hungarian events . Work of fifth KGB directorate also was not described.Biophys 01:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: "Terrorism" is USA helping Bin-Laden to fight against the Soviet Union in the Afhganistan War. M.V.E.i. 14:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This link is not reliable, its writen by a regular internet user. Imagine me noe writing you here invented information and then using this talk page as a link. M.V.E.i. 14:22, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

text: Soviet funding for international terrorism?  Never!  And where would the citations come from?  The KGB archives?  Those liars?  --Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Improvements needed

message: There are 3 references for the controversies paragraph. I cannot open the first one (). Is it my personal problem or has it disappeared?  ``That pesky line-through makes it kinda hard to read.  Innit. Peter S Strempel  Page | Talk  23:32, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: The Fainstein thing is certain. There are many books and publication on the topic, buy randomly any book on him from the last decade. Why to write Russian in he's nationality if he's not? I really don't understand the problems here. P.S. It's really a nice check to do. Enter a book store and ask books on Andropov. In the store read the chapter about his background, and you'll see. M.V.E.i. 17:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: References issues

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message: I don't believe the inclusion of the purported plot to launch a first strike on Pearl Harbor to instigate a nuclear war between Red China and the USA, should be included in the section concerning his term as KGB director.
this was proposed by
Kenneth Sewell, Clint Richmond. Red Star Rogue: The Untold Story of a Soviet Submarine's Nuclear Strike Attempt on the U.S., September 26, 2006, Pocket Star, 480. 
I doubt this is a corroborated event and this rather sounds like musings from a conspiracy theorist and not worthy to be mentioned in his biography.
Aerie124 (talk) 00:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Director of the KGB 

message: The article says that Andropov insisted on the invasion of Afghanistan, but if you check the reference (The Protocol of the meeting of Politburo of Communist Party from 17 March 1979) it turns out he was against it. Timosha2 (talk) 17:42, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Invasion of Afghanistan 

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message: Someone should convert the photo  to grayscale to get rid of the blue cast. Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:17, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue cast 

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message: An interesting thing about Andropov is that everyone, both Russian and non-Russian, faces a historiographic challenge in verifying which things were true about him and which ones were things that he and his Chekist colleagues encouraged the world to think were true about him. We have this on very good, Soviet-native authority, via Solovyov & Klepikova 1983 and Volkogonov 1998, among others. Solovyov & Klepikova clearly respected Medvedev's biography (Medvedev 1983) and yet also fairly pointed out that much of its information came from inside the Union and only passed outside the Kremlin in a form that the Chekists allowed to pass. An example of "true versus encouraged to believe" is that the idea that he was against intervention in Afghanistan is considered "widely known" but seems in retrospect to be something that everyone has been encouraged to believe, whereas in fact he was one of three or four Politburo members who expressed written support for the intervention during at least some phase of the time when it was being contemplated. Notwithstanding the reference cited in the article which claims to be a Politburo meeting transcript, in which Andropov is shown arguing against the intervention, there seems to be some possible revision of the full record going on. One wonders about KGB doctoring of the record in the late 1980s after the intervention had turned out to be a bad idea. The idea that he was the "liberal Chekist" is another item widely believed but not well supported by the evidence. In both of the first-mentioned books he is clearly presented as in fact thoroughly Chekist, and although it would break some Soviet hearts to hear it, Solovyov & Klepikova show how he presided over a de facto Russian empire rather than a true fraternal socialist union. Thoroughly Chekist despite not wearing a leather coat with a Mauser at his belt, as Volkogonov said. And yet more appealing than Brezhnev because at least he understood that the economy needed substantial restructuring, even if, as Volkogonov says, he was not equipped to successfully achieve it, being too much a Leninist to do anything but double down on Leninism. In future I plan to add this aspect of his identity, this historiographic challenge, to the article, citing those sources. Karmanatory (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title: Historiographic challenge

message: Where is this coming from? Stalin was the first general secretary. Then between Stalin and Brezhnev the post didn't exist. Then Brezhnev was the second general secretary. And Andropov was immediately after him. Therefore, Andropov was the third general secretary, and not the fourth!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bv36 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth general secretary?  

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message: While I agree with underlying substance, starting with "Thus there was a certain inevitable amount..." seems to veer into general commentary inappropriate for a Wiki article.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:6A44:B892:4133:F289:F7E:CC82 (talk) 01:12, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: The info is all sourced in the cited biographies. I fixed the citations, last month, to make that fact clearer. I am just seeing this talk thread now. Done. Karmanatory (talk) 05:02, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
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