Talk:List of fictional ships

message: Hmm..  Is this wholly fictional ships, or semi-fictional ships (USS Dallas in Red October) as well? Elde 16:27, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Wholly fictional I think - an appearance of a ship as itself is just a part of its career, so works well in the ship's article, and quite a few already have such mentions. (It might be amusing to find all these and make a list of ships appearing in literature some day.) As for the articles, I can go either way; one could imagine in-depth article describing how the fictional ship is like and unlike the real ships on which it is based, connect to author's experiences, etc, and the material would be more nautical/technical than would make sense in articles on the literary works. Another argument is that a stub makes the linking work better, for instance if the literary article were long. I'd suggest letting this all percolate for a couple months, see if any fictional ship articles can grow into non-stubs. (I personally hadn't thought much about how many ships there are in fiction until recently.) Stan 22:57, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  ?? 

message: This article should probably be at List of ships in fiction as some of the ships listed are real ships that have appeared in various fictional milieux rather than completely fictional creations. Djbrianuk 01:44, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name Change 

message: Is this article supposed to contain references only to ships that feature prominently in a work of fiction, or should it also include those mentioned only in passing?  For instance, there are dozens of ships mentioned in Moby Dick, but only three mentioned here.  I would like to see a comprehensive list fictional ships, but don't know if this is the place.
Kirk Hilliard 03:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope of Article 

message: The SNES game Earthbound also has a submarine in it, but it's unnamed as far as I know. I still want to add it - should I?
81.243.19.164 14:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earthbound 

message: It might not be a bad idea to consider reformatting the list in a manner similar to that used by the List of fictional astronauts, at the very least it would allow the addition of notes such as cases where real ships are used in fictional novels, it would also allow the grouping of ships by novel which would made adding to the list simpler than it is under the current format.Graham1973 (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal - reorganize the list 

message: Rather then putting out an AfD, I am merging the entries that have its own article to List of fictional vehicles#Ships, why? This list is becoming a dumping ground for some random non-notable fictional submarines, therefore it will make it an easy target for an AfD. Donnie Park (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge note 

message: Ships in Marryat and in Ballantyne should be included.  Forester's Brown on Resolution has ships.  Niven has a big ship in the Ringworld series.  McCaffrey has ships on Pern.  Gulliver travelled on ships, and there is a small one in Mistress Masham's Repose.  But I cannot recall details. Also, there's the sub in the film which represented the capture in August 1941 of U-570, later HMS Graph, the fiction being that the US Navy did the capturing. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 16:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additions 

message: Perhaps this is more an organizational issue, but at what point does a 5+ page list of terms and links become a burden rather than being useful?  The literature section alone makes my eyes glaze over trying to locate anything within. I understand there is tendency among certain editors here at Wiki to create exhaustive lists and yet, for all that information, fail to write a single paragraph explaining why any of this is important to anyone. I'm not talking about term paper length writing -- any writing would be nice -- because not all of us are fanboys, but we all came here looking for information, which, as it stands, is hard to find. That's two strikes. Then there's the fact there are numerous, numerous errors in this list. For example, while it's true that there were two ships called Aurora in Tintin and Sherlock Holmes they're not, obviously, the same ship or even the same type of ship (plus, The Sign of Four is a novel, not a comic, as the Wiki link to it makes clear). That's strike three. In other words, you have a confusing list of apparent trivia with glaring factual errors and yet editors here talk as if this was somehow a good thing, since no one here seems to have attempted any organizing since 2004. I think 7 years is enough time to assume no one cares enough about this list to actually fix it. I propose deletion. Duende-Poetry (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: This discussion should be kept at the talk page for List of fictional vehicles where you already started it.  And post at the bottom of a talk page, not the top.  Dream Focus 21:38, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Another List That Fails To Justify Its Existence

message: I seem to have become involved in an edit war with User:Mediatech492 about including the Soviet merchant ship Yulius Fuchik, featured in the 1986 novel Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy and Larry Bond, in the article about fictional ships. The ship in question is a barge carrier that was built by the Finnish state-owned shipbuilding company Valmet in the late 1970s and is clearly identified in the novel by the author:
: "The Soviet ship had been built years before in Finland's Valmet yard from plans purchased in America" (Red Storm Rising, p. 83)
Tom Clancy, practically the creator of the "techno-thriller" genre, is known for his attention to detail. In the book, he provides detailed descriptions of the ship's general arrangement and cargo handling system, and even goes as far as mentioning the ship's operator, Interlighter, by name. The only difference is the transliteration of the name: the ship was named after Julius Fučík, the name which was also used in the novel, but her name was transliterated from the Cyrillic alphabet as Yulius Fuchik in official context such as the MORFLOT fleet list. 
In my opinion, there is enough of a proof that Clancy was using an existing civilian ship in the novel like he did with all other naval ships and most of the military equipment (the only exception being, as far as I know, the stealth fighter) instead of coming up with a fictional ship that just happens to be a carbon copy of an existing vessel. 
However, my edit to the list of fictional ships has been reverted twice using the following arguments:
* Different spelling and not the same ship
* "Red Storm Rising" is a fictional story, the Third World War never actually happened, in case you didn't notice
In light of the second revert, should we include every ship featured in the novel to this article, including very non-fictional ships such as USS Nimitz (and perhaps rename the article to List of ships in fiction as proposed above)? 
Comments regarding the dispute are welcome. Otherwise I'm inclined to remove the ship from the list as non-fictional and, if my edits are reverted, ask for a third opinion. Tupsumato (talk) 12:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: The fact that there was a real ship named Yulius Fuchik (International Maritime Organization Number: 7505322) is acknowledged. The fact that Tom Clancy used the Yulius Fuchik's description as the basis for the ship Julius Fusik in his fictional book 'Red Storm Rising' is arguable. However no ship named Julius Fusik was ever registered by the IMO. The fact that the name and description is similar to an actual ship is irrelevant. The Julius Fusik never existed in reality making it clearly a fictional ship. Mediatech492 (talk) 03:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  The name of the ship is written as Юлиус Фучик, which can be transliterated as both Yulius Fuchik (GOST 16876-71) and Julius Fucik (e.g. ISO/R 9:1968). If you don't believe me, check the name letter-by-letter with these instructions. This issue has been encountered time and again with Soviet/Russian ships. Tupsumato (talk) 04:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

text: The English transliteration of Юлиус Фучик which is officially recognized by the IMO is Yulius Fuchik, whereas Julius Fucik is not officially recognized by any official source. Mediatech492 (talk) 10:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Julius Fucik is still a valid using the western ISO transliteration, which could have been used in e.g. US Navy reference material instead of the Soviet GOST transliteration. If you transliterate the name back to Russian, it's the same. Tupsumato (talk) 10:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  Alternative transliteration is irrelevant. If the specific spelling is not officially recognized by the IMO then by international law it is not the official name of the ship. Mediatech492 (talk) 12:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
replies: text:  So, if an author makes a mistake with the spelling of the ship's name (by using an older way of spelling the name, which is still the same as written on the ship's side), a real ship suddenly turns fictional even if he gets all the other details correct? Tupsumato (talk) 14:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

text: I agree with Gatoclass. It appears to be the real ship. That Mediatech492 does not consider the multitude of ways that names can be transliterated from one language (Russian) to another (English) is unfortunate. Remember that the Romanoff dynasty is the same as the Romanov dynasty, even though they are spelled differently in English, they represent the same thing. This is also a fiction book so why do you need the officially recognized name? Lots of books use nicknames for ships or pet transliterations, but the ship is still the same ship. -- 76.65.128.252 (talk) 03:56, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  ''[[Red Storm Rising]]'' and [[MV Yulius Fuchik|''Yulius Fuchik'']] 

message: Guy Gilpatric's Mr. Glencannon stories are set on the British tramp steamer, Inchcliffe Castle, in-between the wars. Perhaps I missed it, but wouldn't Jason's ship, the Argo go here? Plus Homer's Iliad has the Catalogue of Ships. If no one minds I'll add these as soon as possible. Cheers! Xenomorph erotica (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Scottish Engineers and Greek Sailing Ships

message: What, noones heard of the Stingray submarine from the Gerry Anderson tv series? Even Thunderbird 4 gets a mention for crying out loud.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.90.222 (talk) 10:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  No love for stingray? 

message: Star Trek has a slew of fictional ships. I was surprised that the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 was not even mentioned once. ;)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgwall (talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: This article is about aquatic ships, the type that float in water. Fictional spacecraft are covered in a different article. Mediatech492 (talk) 22:15, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Star Trek ships? 

message: The inclusion of Noah's Ark in a list of fictional ships is dubious.  It is mentioned in a non-fiction book, as being a real ship.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: The very article lead says "There is no scientific evidence for a global flood, and despite many expeditions, no evidence of the ark has been found" and lists 6 source notes.MartinezMD (talk) 20:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Dubious 

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message: Can someone who does this go to NetFlix, select "Patriot Games" (Clancy) and go to 38:13 and you will see the Ergenstrasse which starred, along with John Wayne,in the movie "The Sea Chase". An homage perhaps? That is all.Bjornsonw (talk) 05:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ergenstrasse ship 

message: 2:24 minutes in movie and I saw ship and not in Wiki. I would like somebody to add listing Yokohama-Kobe Osaka Ship movie name The French Connection II year 1975. Thanks. CFBancroft (talk) 08:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  French Connection II Ship Yokohama-Kobe Osaka