Talk:Arrow Dynamics

message: "Roller Coasters, Flumes and Flying Saucers" is a fascinating book about the company's founders and the company's work for Walt Disney, sort of an oral history and collection of documents and photos. It sort of comes off as a slightly disorganized and incomplete attempt by the family to preserve in print some history and lore that otherwise would have been lost. Someone who knows how to use Wikipedia better than I should add it in the proper place as a reference work.
http://www.amazon.com/Roller-Coasters-Flumes-Flying-Saucers/dp/0965735354
ISBN-10: 0965735354
ISBN-13: 978-0965735353  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.38.128.230 (talk) 06:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Excellent book on the Disney years at Arrow

message: 71.135.205.143 22:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you don't mind my asking what other projects did Arrow work on and never completed. I would love to know what other models they could've produced. (Coasterman1234 01:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Arrow Development Employed 1973 to 1980 approx. 

message: Regarding the statement "Arrow made a lasting impact on the roller coaster industry", this doesn't need a citation. If you read the article it states (just before that) that Arrow developed the world's first tubular steel track roller coaster. Most coasters built today use tubular steel track. It's obvious that Arrow made an impact in that way. Also, they made an impact in another way, the development of the first modern inverting roller coaster, many coasters today feature multi-inversion layouts. It's obvious Arrow made a lasting impact in that way. You can't cite those kind of things, you have to look at modern roller coasters to see that the Arrow did make an impact on the industry. 
Also, the statement "they designed and created around 100 roller coasters during the decades they operated" doesn't need a citation either because the article lists, in the table just below the statement, Arrow's 100+ coasters! 
(Coasterman1234 17:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citations 

message: Wait, WHAT?? 14:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fourth dimensional roller coaster 

message: Edgar stated in an interview recorded in "Flumes..." that he and his brother Eugene registered for the draft and enlisted in the Army Air Corps, but explains that he had a deferment related to his employment at Hendy Iron Works. His brother Eugene did serve in the South Pacific, flying B-24's in the 868th Bomb Squadron, and was killed in action 16 December 1944. From census and residence records, it appears that none of the four founders served active duty during World War II.  Unless there is a verifiable reference, I'd like to delete the portion of the statement that they were veterans.DWmFrancis (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Veteran" Status 

message: I've got to say I'm not really liking the recent changes you made to Arrow. I think you've introduced a number of errors in the third paragraph. There weren't several changes of ownership, and changes of ownership don't necessarily indicate a hardship. I know you found a reference that says the company declared bankruptcy twice, but that is not correct. When Bacon and Morgan decided to retire, they sold the company to Rio Grande Industries (first change of hands). Rio Grande sold to Huss (second change of hands). Huss got into financial trouble because of their dealings with the World's Fair and Darien Lake. Huss declared bankruptcy and that is when Toomer and Company negotiated a buyout and formed Arrow Dynamics (new company or third change of hands). Arrow Dynamics eventually declared bankruptcy after the 4th dimension coaster and S&S bought the assets. So I count two changes of hands, one reorganization and then the final bankruptcy. Rutherford's book simply states that the company changed hands — he does not say several times. Therefore I do not believe the statement in third paragraph about several changes of hands and re-emerging from a second bankruptcy is correct. Unless you find a better source that actually explains when and where a bankruptcy took place prior to Huss, I would not rely on the Harvard Business Press—JlACEer (talk) 22:56, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I have no issues with others wanting to further revise what I've changed. However, I would strongly oppose taking the lead back to what it was previously. It should sound more like a summary of what's to come and intrigue the reader to want to read more. I think that much has improved. We do need to find more sources to verify the information, so for now, we can revert back to some of the previous wording including getting rid of "hardship". A majority of the changes though make the lead sound more professional and encyclopedic, IMO. We just need to work more on the content, so I agree with that. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, it reads much better, that is why I did not want to undo it. If I get a chance this weekend I'll try to work on it.—JlACEer (talk) 18:13, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: I was reading more about the Harvard Business Press source above. One of the authors is Joe Knight, a former employee at Arrow who has an MBA in Finance. The number of bankruptcies and changing of hands is suspect, I agree, but this has to be considered a reliable source. Unless we can find other reliable sources that disagree or paint a different picture, I don't see how we can discard it at this point. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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