Talk:White wagtail

message: The birds from the pictures in the article look like they've been deliberately made to look outside the article, instead of inside.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.123.114.16 (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Images

message: Nominated March 30, 2007;
Support:
#Sabine's Sunbird  talk 02:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: [[White Wagtail]] (3 votes) wins collab for May-June 2008

message: === Related species ===
Following species are not subspecies of Motacilla alba but these are thought to have some relation about it.
;Motacilla grandis - Japanese Wagtail
:Japan (Hokkaido, Honshu, Shikoku, Kyushu)
;Motacilla samveasnae - Mekong Wagtail
:Laos、Cambodia、Thailand (around downstream of Mekong) Mekong Wagtail (Oriental Bird Club)
;Motacilla madaraspatensis - Large Pied Wagtail
: = M. maderaspatensis
:India, Pakistan
;Motacilla aguimp vidua - African Pied Wagtail
:Central and Southern Africa
;Motacilla aguimp aguimp -  African Pied Wagtail
:South Africa (around the Cape of Good Hope)
This can get made into sentences and moved back at some point. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 05:00, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed 

message: #Is it worth tabulating the ssp? Either as a straight table (eg Common Treecreeper), or with the images included where available (see List of Anuran families)
#I assume "further reading" goes?
#Please can we use Mos reference formats. With only six refs, already three do not conform
Jimfbleak (talk) 05:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Lets keep further reading for now; it is a good source to help us find refs. Once we've gotten teh article well underway we could remove it. Alternatively, move it here and we can keep it as a resource. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 21:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: With redgards to the subspecies list, it perhaps should be treated like the subspecies list in Peregrine Falcon? As well as distribution and migration notes it could also have info on plumage differences. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 02:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, yes, but that still leaves the choice of unbulleted list (Peregrine), bulleted list, table, or table with images. Jimfbleak (talk) 05:30, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've started a table, comments please, and I'll either revert or continue Jimfbleak (talk) 09:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No need to revert, looks fine. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 00:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: thoughts

message: BWP has a good breeding/wintering map for the western palearctic, Sims has a smaller one of entire breeding range, and Arlott has breeding/wintering for whole paleartic but very small. Given the scorn poured on my cartography elsewhere, does any want me to email some all of these to have a go them selves? jimfbleak (talk) 11:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've created a rough map based on the HBW. I can make corections if there are any. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 03:45, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: maps

message: Trying to put together an illustrated summary of the races - but this is not easy thanks to the amount of variation. Here is a working version and it needs to be improved if it is to be used. Suggestions and sources for improving it are welcome. Shyamal (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Illustration

message: The article says that the bird has a black cap. However, this is true only for males, while females actually have a grey cap, not different from the above of the bird. See, e.g., the first and the third image taken in Moscow. This dimorphism is also mentioned in Russian books, e.g.: В. К. Рябинцев, "Птицы Урала, Приуралья и Западной Сибири" (V. K. Ryabintsev, "Birds of the Urals, Priural’e and West Siberia"), published in Yekaterinburg by the Urals State University.
To avoid confusion, I think that this fact should be mentioned in the article, together with the photos that serve the best to illustrate this fact. I can make some photos on request (in Yekaterinburg, this bird is very common).Alexander Patrakov (talk) 08:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Photos of sexual dimorphism in a subspecies would be awesome. I suspect we could find some existing ones too. Thanks, and I agree we need to widen the description section, I'll try and take it on this weekend. Sabine's Sunbird  talk 09:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is a photo that I took several days ago (cropped, but not otherwise edited, i.e., there is no higher-resolution version). Is it OK? BTW, the "Ageing and sexing (PDF) by Javier Blasco-Zumeta" document (linked in the article) states: "4 types of age can be recognized: (1) Juvenile with fresh plumage and grey head. ...", and doesn't state that females lack the black cap. I am totally confused. Now will go to the garden and take more photos (Update: there are no white wagtails in the garden today, will retry later). Alexander Patrakov (talk) 09:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Sexual dimorphism

message: Ticehurst mentions this race. It must have been subsumed into one of the 11 populations now mentioned. Which one ? Shyamal (talk) 15:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: ''hodgsoni''

message: The following references are from the other article. No major evidence for the split has been found as yet. 
Shyamal (talk) 07:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge from [[Black-backed Wagtail]]

message: As part of that course, I wrote ~300 word evaluations of various bird articles on wiki. My evaluation of this one is reproduced below, which is just my thoughts about possible improvements and things the article does well. 
::        This article is quite well-written and very detailed. There's a custom image denoting the normal territories of different subspecies of the M. alba, and there is also a table of the subspecies with accompanying images for easy identification. The headers are logically organized into Taxonomy, Description, Habitat, and Behavior, though the behavior section doesn't make any mention of the wagtails' territory-sharing behavior as mentioned in the textbook. The links are all relevant to the main topic of the article, and the authors took care not to insert too many of them. I was particularly impressed at the inclusion of a gallery displaying various "races" of M. alba in their different plumages, which was placed after the article proper so that it didn't get in the way of those just looking for information, but was still available for those interested. The talk page is quite helpful - there's a To Do list for what the article is missing, as well as a large list of additional references for any authors interested in contributing more to the article.  One issue I noticed is the relative lack of content and also updates to the article - the first fifty entries on the History page cover an entire year, as opposed to only a few months for the other articles I looked at. This might just be because there's little new research available on the pied wagtail, and there's not much general interest in the bird itself. I could definitely improve on this article with the addition of a description of its territory-sharing behavior, but everything else is quite solid.
WolfyFTW (talk) 19:49, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  My evaluation of this article 

message: I am not very sure where this image would fit. It was shot near Mumbai, India on Dec 2014. -- YN Desai  Discuss 07:41, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposed image