Talk:Ryszard Kapuściński

message: Ktos powinien przetlumaczyc ta wypowiedz o Kapuscinskim Salmana Rushdiego z Polski zeszlego roku (na rozdaniu Nike). "Jeden Kapuściński wart jest tysiąca skamlących i fantazjujących gryzipiórków. Dzięki jego niezwykłemu połączeniu reportażu i sztuki stajemy wreszcie tak blisko tego, co Kapuściński nazywa niedającym się przekazać prawdziwym obrazem wojny." Kowalmistrz 10:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tłumaczenie 

message: This article needs a serious reworking. The IP editor who is singlehandedly responsible for it chose to disperse the biographical details, critical reception, and later evaluation throughout the article, spread over sections whose titles do not conform to the MOS and are more poetic than anything. Moreover, the article is larded with quotes (and I've begun trimming them), with needless biographical detail of people who are cited, and with redundant coding (such as piped links whose only function is to add no-break spaces--and those are found all over the place, esp. where they are not needed). The tone also is not very encyclopedic. This article needs help, probably more than I can give it. Drmies (talk) 17:49, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Overhaul 

message: As an Englishman who has been living in Poland since 2002 I first started reading Kapuscinski this year - 2015 - after my Polish wife recommended him (she lent me The Emperor in English whilst reading Travels with Herodotus), and I am absolutely stunned by how good his writing his. I started off with The Emperor, then moved on to Shah of Shahs and am now reading Imperium before I move onto Travels with Herodotus and The Soccer War. 
His writing is superlative - on a par, in my opinion, with George Orwell's in terms of its thematic range and style (as well as Jack London and Upton Sinclair). I read this Wiki article to find out more about his life and was rather disappointed since it seems to me more of a chronological narrative of what he was doing when. I think it needs to include a lot more personal detail about this incredible writer. I know there is a biography written about him that has been translated into English - 'Ryszard Kapuściński: A Life' by Artur Domosławski - and I will take a look at this once I have finished with his books. Ivankinsman (talk) 19:10, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lack of biographical detail 

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message: I've just added about six citations to support the content on the verifiable debate on K's allegory versus his empiricism. Clearly the lead needs further adjusting to support the content lower down. The undiluted praise at the top reads like advertising rather than encyclopedia. I'll step back and see if someone else can chime in. -Chumchum7 (talk) 18:10, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: * Hi  If you want feedback, here's what I think. The source you quote looks like an attack page. Slate.com is described as 'number two' among "the top 12 most EVIL news publications in America" or that: "Slate makes FALSE CLAIMS" according to others. This is not a good sign. If you want to form an informed opinion, you need to go back all the way to the original criticism which might have inspired these attack pages. I suggest you read the 16-year-old book review titled "At play in the bush of ghosts" by John Ryle originally published at Times Literary Supplement as “Tales of Mythical Africa”, 27 July 2001, regarding: Ryszard Kapuściński, The Shadow of the Sun, translated by Klara Glowczewska, 336 pp, Penguin, 2001. See: Reprint of the review in full. Poeticbent talk 23:57, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: Hello Poeticbent and thank you for your comment. Perhaps you might recall we had friendly cooperation many years ago on other articles. I'm open to discussion about whether Slate has been ruled by Wikipedia as not a reliable source, though I'm not sure what you mean about Slate being an attack page; sure, it provides a counter-thesis but it does this by using testimony and evidence, and includes praise for Mr K. Also it's not the source that my additions rely on. I've actually cited around six sources which themselves cite further sources. I've also already used the citation that you've linked, which sourced the Times Literary Supplement through another source, if you have time to look again through my citations (it's number 10 in the article). I've also cited the Guardian, the Financial Times and several reputable commentators including the former chief of the Nobel Prize for Literature committee. As it happens we should add Kapuściński's own description of his work as not conforming to the conventions of journalism. By Kapuściński's very own account, it's something like 'literary journalism' containing magical realism or allegory with a relaxed attitude to fact. There are people who dislike that, there are people who like that. Including it all is the encyclopedic thing to do. -Chumchum7 (talk) 05:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

text: Hi Chumchum7, the difference between an attack page and a page of justified criticism is actually very easy to tell if you know what you're looking for. It is a difference between saying: "you have erred here and there", and saying: "you're a liar (no proof necessary)." The article in Slate.com is making a mountain out of a molehill without any specifics, whatsoever. It mentions a single 2001 source I've just given you. Please read it. The source speaks of a single book (!) with some valid points but also a few unnecessary exaggerations with pretty thin source-base. Poeticbent talk 14:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: There appears to be a misunderstanding. To reiterate, I had already added the 2001 source (the piece by John Ryle) as a citation in the article before you mentioned it on this Talk page. You're also asking me to read a source that I have already found and added myself, which of course I have already done. Shafer does not mention only a single source, he mentions about six sources praising Kapuściński, plus Kapuściński himself, plus the John Ryle source. I can see the point that he is seconding the allegation of an earlier source and adding his own views to it, but I don't see the rationale in WP policy terms for excluding the opinion of Jack Shafer while including the opinion of Timothy Garton Ash, Peter Englund, Neil Ascherson, Daniel Alarcón, Richard Bernstein, Bill Deedes, Philip Melling, Tiziano Terzani, Gabriel García Márquez, and Luis Sepúlveda - all of whose opinion is present in the article and most of whom do not go into extraordinary detail to support their opinion (in fact only Ryle does, as far as I can see). Wikipedia articles on authors tend to have a reception section, and this tends to be both negative and positive. Take our article for example on George Orwell - a proud democratic socialist who is criticized by a source for being "an enemy of the Left", which would make him turn in his grave. He is also criticized by another source as being "self-deluding." We include the opinion. -Chumchum7 (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

text: I went ahead and changed the text to conform with what I said about the tenets of the WP:BIO policy guideline in Wikipedia. Explaining it here would take a lot more unnecessary effort. My concerns were being overlooked amid the constant change of focus. At least now we can see what I meant exactly. Your feedback is highly appreciated. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 05:55, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Fact / fiction 

message: Note the accusation of 'vandalism' on this article from a newly generated, single-purpose account, WP:SPA, and the removal of sourced content by them: . Given this very serious allegation, the removal of sourced content and the history of disagreements on this article, it may be time for an administrator to take a look at it, with a view to locking it. They can run an IP check on that SPA while they're at it. -Chumchum7 (talk) 10:50, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: I've fully protected this article for a week. Please use this time to try to reach agreement on the disputed matter. If you can't agree, consider opening an WP:RFC. Any attempt to portray Slate as as an 'evil news publication' will probably not be taken seriously on Wikipedia, but you can always ask at the WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. EdJohnston (talk) 19:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Full protection 

message: Let's take a look at some best practices. The featured article on Ernest Hemingway has a far more biographical lede, with no comment on his merits as a writer apart from the mention of him winning the Nobel prize. I suggest we edit this lede accordingly, and move current content there down to some form of 'reception' section that will include all the praise as well as content about the 2001 Ryle essay, etc. -Chumchum7 (talk) 14:10, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reworking the article 

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