Wikipedia talk:Romanian Wikipedians' notice board/Archive 1

message: I propose you this subject. All participants may debate also here Talk:Moldovan language. I expect other subjects as well.  Bonaparte  talk & contribs 22:07, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Isn't Talk:Moldovan language the place to discuss Talk:Moldovan language? -- Jmabel | Talk 05:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  We can talk about anything we want in here. What's your favourite position? Apart from that, everything that relates to Moldova lies in the interest of Romania, therefore... --Anittas 06:35, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: So called "moldovan language"

message: In less than 12-hours, 15 people have gathered here and signed their name to show that they are active members, contributing, or are willing to contribute, to Romanian-related articles. This is great! The Romanian community is stronger than I estimated. We also have non-Romanians, here, who have been invited for their knowledge and contribution to Ro articles. Everyone is welcomed here!
If any you know of other Ro members who aren't aware of this page, let them know, so that our community can grow stronger! --Anittas 05:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Good beginning 

message: I think is a good opportunity to start this. I hope in this way romanians will join together to the new challanges.  Bonaparte  talk & contribs 07:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: A good chance for romanians to be united

message: :I am the first to enroll to this approach. Having the power to recognize the truth is a miracle. Remeber! You can learn only from mistakes or good models. But most times you learn from mistakes and don't repeat them. But as most of the times we have some bad models than ussually learn from mistakes.
::Credibility, trustworthiness, integrity, sincerity, reliability, authority, standing
:These are the most important keywords.
:We had a good model for Wiki. He was Bogdangiusca.
Let us try to be, to act and to conduct in this way. That's my personal view.  Bonaparte  talk & contribs 15:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: credibility

message: I'm just chalange you guys 'cause Miss Rice went today to Bucharest. Is becoming Romania regional power? She and President Basescu supports such approach. What do you think, feel free to express yourself.
By the way she came for signing the agreement that USA can have military basis in Romania.
Opinions, facts, debates.
-- Bonaparte  talk 16:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Romania]] as regional power?

message: On 1st January 2007 Romania will join EU . By that time EU will have 27 member states with a population of 480 millions. Romania will be the 7th nation as size. -- Bonaparte  talk 19:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course, if Romania becomes much more entangled with the war criminals among the current (mis-)leadership my benighted country, the EU may not take them. Talk about selling your birthright for a bowl of pottage! (& if someone very bilingual wants to translate that into Romanian, please do.) -- Jmabel | Talk 08:06, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Are you against the EU? --Anittas 08:10, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  What war criminals? Do you refer maybe to Croatia? -- Bonaparte  talk 09:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  No Bonaparte, it is clearly a reference to the allegations about the CIA war prisonners whoe might have been jailed and tortured in Ro. It is a tricky situation, and Ro's actions are highly criticised mainly to express EU's discontent towards the current American Administration. Anyways, not many people around the world are happy with it. Here's some lecture on the subject: http://www.hotnews.ro/articol_38379-O.K.-de-Traian-Ungureanu.htm --Mihai -talk 10:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Seems like I've generted a small revert fight. Sorry Bonaparte, my fault :D --Mihai -talk 14:04, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  Don't worry :). -- Bonaparte  talk 14:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: E faina ultima fraza a lui. Concluzia! -- Bonaparte  talk 12:26, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Romania and EU

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transylvania#First_union_of_Romanian_principalities_by_Michael_the_Brave
Please take a look on Transylvania. -- Bonaparte  talk 15:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Transylvania - First Union - Michael the Brave

message: What do I need to do to be able to chat on the Wiki server? Who knows? --Anittas 22:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Bogdan seems to be on IRC.-- Bonaparte  talk 06:49, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: In order to connect to an IRC server (any IRC server), you need an IRC client. Personally, for Windows I recommend mIRC, XChat or irssi for Linux, or Conversation if you use a Mac. Connect to freenode and you can join any channel you like. Popular Wiki related channels are #wikipedia, #wikimedia, #wikinews, #wiki, #wikimedia-tech, #wiktionary, and localized versions of these channels. I've been idling for a while in #ro.wikipedia , but there's not much activity there. --Arcadie 08:44, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

text: #wikipedia and #wikimedia are the most popular ones among the Wiki related channels. You can get a complete channels list by typing /list (depending on your client, channels can be sorted by users, name, topic). --Arcadie 09:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  IRC 

message: A controversial play The Evangelists (Evanghelistii) by Alina Mungiu-Pippidi opened recently in Iaşi (   , probably a lot else to be found by searching "Alina Mungiu-Pippidi" + Evanghelistii). There ought to be an article or two in this somewhere, maybe one on her as a person and one on the play? -- Jmabel | Talk 10:21, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I'm writing an article on her and her play now (Alina Mungiu-Pippidi) and The Evangelists). It is quite disgusting that this play has sparked such strong reactions from the conservative-religious parts of Romanian society. Long live free speech!  Ronline ✉ 05:48, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I think that while the religious response has been quite unacceptable, it would've been the same in other countries. I think Romania has come such a long way since the murky 1990s. People are now much more tolerant, and value free speech to a much greater extent, at least in the public sphere. The fact that the play was shown and attracted so many people is quite a good sign. Gay rights is another area where things have moved forward a lot - the first gay march in Bucharest, and generally much more tolerant attitudes towards LGBT people. In fact, I'd probably say that Romania is now one of the most tolerant former-Eastern-bloc countries (excluding of course the very-tolerant Czechia, Hungary and Slovenia).  Ronline ✉ 11:29, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  If you'll see or read the play, you would probably realise the reason of such impact. More than ten years ago, reading the play, I had the impression that some Socola institution patients of Dr. Alina Mungiu are the characters in this play. --Vasile 03:40, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  "The Evangelists" 

message: This is about this edit, and especially its edit summary.
Anittas, since you have accused me in the past of jumping to conclusions about the meaning of your remarks, and since I honestly don't feel like having a strictly private exchange with you, I am bringing this here as a possible place to discuss it. 
Obviously, I disagree with your edit—you are reverting an edit for which I gave a clear rationale, and you are as much as acknowledging ("Moldova should be Romanian") that this is a deliberate case of the Romanian hegemonism to which I was objecting. But what I really want to know is: what precisely do you mean by "mind your own business". Given that you are reverting my edit, I assume it is addressed to me. Are you telling me that somehow this article is your business, but not mine? And if not, what do you mean. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Before Anittas will answer you 'cause you asked him I would like also to ask you Joe if you have read the talk page first and if so, why did you removed the Romanian word before Eminescu? Do you deny or accept that fact that he's Romanian?  Bonaparte  talk 09:48, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Of course he was Romanian. He was also 19th-century, male, a journalist and a lot of other things that aren't relevant to captioning a photo, in an article on Republic of Moldova, about Moldova considering him their national poet. -- Jmabel | Talk 10:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text:  I meant that Romanian hegemonism is justified and should be the business of Moldova and Romania; and no one else should try to stop it. There is plenty of room to add "Romanian" to the photo. --Anittas 16:42, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anittas, what precisely do you mean here by "mind your own business" 

message: I've had a request by email (from someone who apparently prefers not to be named) for English translations of everything posted on this board. Frankly, that is a bit beyond me to do; anyone who can be of help is requested to do so. Also, I strongly urge those of you with good English to write your comments in English: I haven't seen anything on the page that I couldn't basically follow (though I'm sure I've occasionally missed a detail), but there are quite a few contributors interested in Romanian topics who don't have much of the language, and writing messages in Romanian in the English Wikipedia tends to exclude them. If people want a corresponding Romanian-language notice board, they might consider setting one up in the Romanian Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 03:25, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: We have the right to write in Romanian. This is an English-Romanian language notice board. You should, however, consider whether it's ethical for you to translate our private thoughts to people who might want to harm our interests. Let me ask you one thing: is the person who asked you to translate, in a conflict with some of our editors? --Anittas 03:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Every user must write here in English. If for Wikipedia is useless to keep this notice board, it could be terminated any time. --Vasile 03:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Show me the policy where it says we have to write only in English. --Anittas 03:47, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  The common sense (sapte ani de acasa). --Vasile 04:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: I see no problem occasionally writing in Romanian on the board or on this talk page, but I'm one of those who recommends English in the English Wiki 95% of the time (yeah, the fact that I'm a Romanian American whose written Romanian needs work may also be a factor, but even if my written Romanian was much better, I'd still recommend English in the English Wiki 95% of the time). Alexander 007 04:00, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Don't want to cut anyone off, but I want to address this also: Anittas, once you write something in Wikipedia, you are releasing it to the general public. If you don't want the opposing side to eventually understand your communications, communicate through email. Romanian is not a secret code language. Alexander 007 03:44, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree. I'm not stopping anyone from translating anything. I was more curious about their intention. --Anittas 03:46, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translation 

message: Hey, guys, I'm about to start another project for Active Voice, the same folks for whom I worked in Bucharest in 2001-2002. I should be working for them at least six months. This means two at least vaguely relevant things: (1) I'm probably going to have less time for Wikipedia than lately. I still hope to have 15-20 hours a week, but certainly not the 40+ I've been putting in lately. (2) There is a fair chance I will be in Bucharest on business some time in March or April; I'm going to try to get at least a few days off while I'm there. I'd love to hook up with some of you while I'm there. If I remember correctly, there's never been any face-to-face meetup of Wikipedians in Romania, but I imagine that there are enough Wikipedians in Bucharest to get at least half a dozen of us in one place at one time. Assuming I can work this out on my end, would anyone else be up for this? -- Jmabel | Talk 03:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Jmabel, you may also want to announce this on Romanian wikipedia, too! Thanks! --Vlad 12:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Feel free to copy & translate. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Note from Jmabel 

message: I just wrote a stub on Bucharest snobbery, but I believe the article can be expanded even further. As time goes, I will try to add references. However, Bogdangiusca seems to be bothered about the article and he wants it deleted. I'm not sure why. I think the article looks interesting. If we can have an article on Romanian anti-discrimination, then we can also have this one. Can anyone please translate the article into Romanian, since my writing in Romanian is not decent? Maybe one of the two Bogdans? Thanks :) --Candide, or Optimism 18:19, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Anittas, why do you insist in washing the laundry in public? It is clear that the only motivation of writing this article is against Bogdan (as being from Bucharest) & Ronline (who expanded the article). And now, at least the second one is a... traitor?!? What is his treason? Making a Rfc against you?!? Not sharing your POV?!? I thought that this board that, BTW, carries your name in the first position was supposed to be a community, that we should have sticked together. But no. And what has happened recently around here is a perfect example for why Romanians abroad (for instance) with some very little exceptions, do not make communities in their adoption countries (France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc. etc.) And how could we, when in Romania we're Transylvanians against Moldavians against Valachians against people from Oltenia against people from Bucarest against Hungarians against Gypsies against Moldavians from the other side of the Prut agains Russians etc. etc. --Vlad 22:07, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I was also hoping that we would stick together, but I guess that two RfCs and a threat for Arb, plus being ignored by some, while having others going against me - including you, my Vladislav buddy - sort of changed my mind. Still, the article has a purpose and it's not so much to do with The Bogdans or being threatened with Arb. I mean, sure, there are some POVs in the article, but in time, I will add references and decrease the POV. --Candide, or Optimism 22:18, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, from my point of view, both Rfc are well deserved. But they are also useless. Because you do not seem to want to change either your attitude against wikipedia or against the fellow wikipedians. For the record, I'm not not your buddy nor your enemy and Vlad is not a short for Vladislav. Is it ok with you, Ani? :) (I'm sorry, I could not help myself). --Vlad 22:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Nothing is okay, Vladimir. It seems that you were not pleased with my answer. Too bad, because I don't have a better answer to give you. --Candide, or Optimism 22:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  No, no, it's ok. I know you don't have other answers. So these ones will do just fine. --Vlad 22:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

text: Anittas, you think Iaşi is a great city, why don't you write articles about it, instead of writing articles about how evil and traitorous are the Bucharesters. Look: in all, :Category:Bucharest and subcategories have 176 articles about Bucharest buildings, history, geography, etc. (plus about 50 about Ilfov County). In the meantime, :Category:Iaşi has 6 articles, not in very good shape. I bet you can find lots of interesting things about Iaşi to write about. bogdan 23:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Or even better, he eventually could move in Buch. in order to become a snob too.  --Vasile 01:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

text: A chapter about "Bucale" would be very well related with this snobbery issue in Bucharest. There are decades since the slang is in use. --Vasile 01:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm not from Bucharest but I do believe that Bucharest is the national capital and that what is good for Bucharest is ultimately good for Romania's image. It's ironic how Anittas preaches unity between Romanians at Wikipedia but then goes on and seeks to split people into Wallachians, Moldovans and Transylvanians and write articles about conflicts between Bucharesters and Ieşeni that don't actually exist.  Ronline ✉ 06:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I am against this too. What about Tg. Mures snobbery or Timisoara snobbery? -Paul- 11:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Că tăt Banatu-i fruncea! :-) bogdan 14:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

text: We are welcome, if you really want that... But please do keep in mind that wikipedia wants to be an encyclopedia, not a discussion forum. This Bucharest snobbery thing & all these other disputes inter-romanians should not have even existed in the first place. There is nothing we should be proud about, or brag about elsewhere. We already have to deal with enough nationalism & regionalism at Romanian wikipedia, too, depending on the articles. --Vlad 17:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: [[Bucharest snobbery]]