Template talk:TardisDataCore

message: Template: has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Jpatokal (talk) 06:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  TfD nomination of [[:Template:{{ucfirst:FreeContentMeta}}]] 

message: An image of the TARDIS cannot be used on this page, as the TARDIS is a copyright of the BBC.  Seriously.  Copyrighted and trademarked images cannot be used outside of the main article space, so I have removed the image.
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--Phirazo 05:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Presumably US law would be the relevant one here - does anyone know the status of that one, given that it was created by a foreign government? (I'd support removal until that's clarified) Phil Sandifer (talk) 05:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

text: The image being used is of a blue call box model that someone built: . So the copyright for the image is not an issue. Trademarks are not covered by WP:NFC. -- Ned Scott 06:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That "someone" is the BBC - the original picture was "taken at BBC Wales reception", and a picture of 3D object is still a derivative work.  Besides, there is a greater ethical obligation to respect the intellectual property of the BBC, which is well within the spirit of WP:NFC, if not the exact letter.  The icon is purely decorative, and serves no real encyclopedic purpose, and the point of WP:NFCC#9 is exclude images protected by IP law that are merely decorative.  This is admittedly a more murky issue than the icons for Murder, She Wrote and Andromeda (TV series) (which are screenshots), but I think erring to the side of caution is wise. --Phirazo 18:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The BBC does not hold copyright to the TARDIS, but it does hold a trademark, which is unrelated to copyright. The BBC also cannot possibly hold copyright, as they did not design the police box. As Ned has stated, trademark is not covered by WP:NFC.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It is still the intellectual property of the BBC, and being used to identify something that is not affliliated with the BBC.  The ethical thing to do is not have an icon.  If you need an actual copyright, that particular TARDIS was created by the BBC and is sitting in their office.  The picture is a derivative work of a copyrighted prop.  Taking a GFDL picture of a copyrighted object does not magically make the copyrighted object GFDL.  The picture is trademarked and copyrighted, and does not belong in Template: space.  --Phirazo 19:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: This is probably a fair point - even if the Police Box image is not copyright, the specific prop in question is. Using :Image:Earls_Court_Police_Box.jpg would probably be preferable, given that it is unquestionably fair use. I've changed it accordingly. Phil Sandifer (talk) 19:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: You still confuse trademark with copyright. There is no copyright on the TARDIS Police box. So that point is moot. Trademark only serves to identify an entity selling a product or service. Trademark infringement is the act of trying to use the trademark in relation to products or services which are identical or similar to the products or services which the trademark covers. Wikipedia doesn't produce radio or TV programmes or toys, and certainly does not use this image to advertise as such. In short, Wikipeida has no trading interests in the TARDIS trademakrk and therefor it is not possible to infringe on it.   — Edokter • Talk •  20:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: However the prop that is actually being photographed can be under copyright, which is the problem here. Phil Sandifer (talk) 20:49, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: So is :Image:Googleplex Welcome Sign.jpg, but that does not seem to be a problem. Anyway, I'm asking advice over at WP:AN.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:08, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

text: BTW, trademark, not copyright.  — Edokter • Talk •  21:21, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Trademark vs Copyright

message: Today's changes seem more in the spirit of external linking to unofficial sites of user-contributed text, like .  --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 22:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Much improved