Talk:Converge (band)

message: It seems as though this article has been getting vandalized quite frequently.  Please read the wikipedia article on reverting and revert changes made by vandals.  Perhaps this article should be protected in the same manner as they've recently been doing with articles like that of George W. Bush.  I don't know how to do that though, so any help would be appreciated. Jesusjonez 01:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Vandalism 

message: This article badly needed a cleanup.  I've done my best so far.  There was lots of irrelevant and opinionated information.  Most of the information about the side projects of Converge band members belongs in articles of their own.  I'm also going to remove the Agoraphobic Nosebleed album cover.  The images add clutter to this article, and would be more appropriate once it has been expanded upon. Jesusjonez 22:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Changes 

message: "However, as it is fast become the norm in this genre, Converge's lyrics must be read from the corresponding album's booklet or from a lyric sheet in order to interpret them correctly. The extreme nature of their music, particularly the atonal vocals and complex structure, is not entirely digestible to some listeners."
This could be said about any number of extreme metal bands. Does it really deserve a mention in this article? ~Mr Inky · (T @ C) 18:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Superfluous or informative? 

message: And looked what happened? Someone added mathcore again. I know it's opinion but mostly everyone would agree that Converge is just metalcore/hardcore with mathcore influences. It's not constantly presenting the tech/prog ability (like The Dillinger Escape Plan) but the framework is basically just metallic hardcore and adding the mathcore aspect as an add-on. They have also done doom/sludge stuff as well along with the hardcore background but we don't call Converge doom metal, sludge, or whatever; just because of the lack of sources? Jane Doe is the closest thing to a mathcore record but it's not the primary element which something like Ire Works or even Protest the Hero's Fortress does. I am fine with the description page but mainly in genres, it doesn't work. I don't want this to lead to 3RR. The Phantomnaut (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is currently locked in full it so we can continue this debate. It will be unprotected in 5 days so let's get started. The Phantomnaut (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Unlocked with no discussion and the same reverting situation. If it passes 3RR within this day, I will have to request a lock again especially for an extended time. The Phantomnaut (talk) 05:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

text: All right, thanks for replying. I will leave it at be as the first sentence of description helps. The Phantomnaut (talk) 05:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Now I am going back into my original view on this situation.The Phantomnaut (talk) 18:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: The Special Part 2

message: I have provided a offical source from rock detector. I you wish to remove please disscuss.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scipo (talk • contribs) 23:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Rockdetector is an amateur fanzine and cannot be used as a reference. Read, and try to understand, policies WP:CITE, WP:V and WP:RS. Amateur spam is not a citation. 156.34.228.63 01:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed, this is the problem with finding a source for that; they're all of this nature. An "official" source would be the band's opinion, and on their Myspace they do not describe themselves as mathcore. Please stop readding this source. Olliemilne 19:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Please read the links provided above; the site is an amateur site made by people who are no different than you or me, it just so happens they run their own website. Such sites are not counted as valid citations by Wikipedia itself, not just the guy who reverted it. Thats the policy. Find a site which is reputable and you can add it. Also, please sign your edits by typing 4 tildes (the ~ key). Olliemilne 19:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

text: Scipio, a look at your user talk page shows that your views on genre seem to differ greatly from the rest of Wikipedia. You have been constantly warned about edit warring and forcing your opinions on numerous pages-maybe that shows you are the one with the problem here? You are about to be banned for such things, and I have no qualms about notifying someone of your actions on this page to add to your already impressive CV. Please, just give up. Olliemilne 20:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

text: The Opeth article which you yourself are a heavy editor of, and which was locked for constantly edit warring over genre additions. You brought your ridiculous ideas about what bands belong to what genres, backed up with a non creditable source (the only reason that the Rockdetector source hasn't been removed from the Opeth article is that noone has seen it to remove it yet) to THIS article, and it also ends up getting locked. Wherever a band's article gets locked because of genre edit wars, Scipio seems to be there. Just look at his talk page, people are constantly complaining about him and his edits. He seems to take it as a personal attack on him, but he has almost been banned for such behaviour on numerous articles. It isn't just a few people's personal opinions, it seems to be many, many people who disagree with him. If you revert your change one more time, I will notify an admin, who will take one look at your warning covered talk page and ban you, and I am serious this time. Make your choice Scipio. Olliemilne 20:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mathcore 

message: I am wondering if it is correct to keep this genre up. Metalcore is a subgenre of hardcore and it's presence seems redundent Scipo 18:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hardcore 

message: How old are these guys? I know they've been playing forever, but I've never seen their ages actually listed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.208.248.170 (talk) 10:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Age of band members 

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thread_title: Fair use rationale for Image:Dw.logo.converge.high.jpg

message: The mathcore tag and the source for mathcore have been in the article for some time without any more recent objection. Rockdector is a reliable, thrid party source which is used in many wikipedia articles relating to music. The user twentydevil is a vandal, who obiously has a problem with the genre, amd seeems bent on removing sourced information from the article.137.186.62.69 (talk) 06:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: You should do yourself a favor and rummage through a HUGE backlog of previous edits; it's been established long ago by the majority of Wikipedia users that care for the welfare of the Converge page that 'mathcore' doesn't apply to Converge. If anyone's a 'vandal', it's these anonymous edit-makers who cite dubious sources to constantly re-enflame these editing standoffs.Twentydevils 
A. A majority of editors, from what I can tell, could care less. B. Rockdector is hardly a dubious source. It is a thrid party website maintained by Garry Sharpe-Young and a team of writers, who he pays. Garry Sharpe-Young has written many books on the subject of heavy metal and has gotten his books published a feat you will never accomplice. There have been tweleve books atributed to rockdetedtor. It is very a reliable source. And C. Anonymous editors have the same rights as editor who are signed in.137.186.62.69 (talk) 00:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New Developments 

message: there isnt a page for jake. there are ones for nate and kurt though. anyone have enough infor on him to start a page? im really curious as to the other bands hes been in. i know he does all their album art and has done other bands album art (as i lay dying for one). Whitey138 (talk)
It got deleted.Howl5 (talk) 22:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Probably because some bored recent changes patroller spotted it and decided it wasn't notable or was lacking sources and wasn't worth keeping. Go check out its delete log, its a real lol. They even thought the Converge article itself should be deleted. You could try making it again but it'll be hard to cite it properly and someone is likely to delete it again as its already happened once. Olliemilne (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  jake bannon 

message: can anyone CONFIRM the original release dates of these albums? They were both rereleased in 2005.. but I see various sources saying they both came out in 1998.. while some claim 1997 for Petitioning.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.193.39.27 (talk) 22:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Petitioning the Empty Sky / When Forever Comes Crashing Down 

message: History section:
"They started by playing covers of hardcore punk, punk rock and heavy metal songs, being self-confessed "hardcore kids with left-over Slayer riffs"."
Musical style section:
"Guitarist Kurt Ballou described Converge's first album as "a bunch of hardcore kids playing leftover Slayer riffs"."
i'm thinking this shouldn't be like that... not sure what to do, though, or if it's fine as it is. seems wrong...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.249.185.2 (talk) 18:44, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  repetition, inconsistency? 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: Is it best for the intro to say Metalcore and not Hardcore punk? I feel like calling them a "Hardcore" band in the lead would be better since their infobox genres are all forms of Hardcore but not necessarily of Metalcore. Even though Metalcore is their main genre. Dekai Averett (talk) 01:45, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the genre in the lead should be general and encompass multiple of the genres that the band has been through.Issan Sumisu (talk) 06:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead