Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates/List of municipalities in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania

message: Initial reply First off, thank you for your comments on the article. As always, a fresh pair of eyes has caught some things that need to be improved. I will make some edits and then reply to each of your points above, but wanted to give a general reply here first, giving the idea for this list and starting to reply to the question of whether the list of counties formed from Lycoming should be included here.
The basic idea of this list is to include every known municipality in Lycoming County, Pennsylvania, both current and historical. Because all territory in Pennsylvania is incorporated, including townships (unlike, say Ohio on its western border), this means that all territory that is now or has ever been in Lycoming County is fair game for inclusion in this list. In fact, we believe that it would be irresponsible and even dishonest not to include past townships that are no longer part of the county in this list.
Now the problem is that while information on counties formed from Lycoming County is relatively easy to come by, information on which specific townships or parts of townships became these counties is difficult, if not impossible to acquire (at least in some cases so far). Of the 18 counties which now contain land taken from Lycoming County, only six are included in the former townships table (and I just realized I could add Gregg Township in Union County to that table, for seven). So for 11 of 18 counties that we know were formed from Lycoming, we do not know which township(s) were involved (some you can make a guess, but WP:NOR). I already have a scratch map of Pennsylvania counties taken from Lycoming and will make a larger, nicer one to add to the article. This may take some time. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 15:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly, this comment confuses me more than explain anything. Which comments of mine are (I think tat is the point) made unaddressable by these issues? Circeus 20:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I have been quite busy in real life and will be so for a few hours. I already replied briefly on the main page and will try to address your concerns here and with new edits within the next 6 or 7 hours. Sorry for the delay and thanks, Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 23:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The list of former townships is not complete, because we have not yet found the information. If you eliminate the list of counties formed from Lycoming Co. (which is what I thought you were proposing, at least originally) then there are 11 counties which contain territory from Lycoming Co. that would not be included in the article. We know they were formed from Lycoming Co. / contain land that used to be in Lycoming Co., but not specifically what former townships or parts of townships they contain. It now seems you would perhaps be OK with a less detailed county list. I can make the 18 county list simpler (less detail) - I originally made it like the Featured county lists as I thought that was the preferred format. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 00:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Right now, my only real gripes, as I am typing above, has to do with the way we deal with villages/CDPs (I still think a section is a more elegant way to do it, and have put a mock up above to show you what I meant) and the fact the "township" and "counties" sections are over detailed (I'm typing this before I'm don with my argumentation for that.) Circeus 01:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Ruhrfisch I would rather have it fail than to strip out a lot of work that was not easy, is factual and accurate. How can there be such a thing as too much? Take what you need and forget what you don't. Dincher 03:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Through my own stupidity I have just lost about an hours worth of work on a mockup version, so I am going to quit for the night. I apologize for any crankiness. I know we all want what is best for this article and the encyclopdia, we just differ on what that is. Thanks again to Dincher for all your work and help, and to Circeus for really making me think about this list. Sorry for the delay, but I am too tired. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 04:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: General discussion

message: **Thanks, FYI this is the first Featured candidate proposal I have ever seen with a subpage, which raises two concerns. First, does making a subpage break the bot that archives these or cause other technical problems? Second, I feel as if it devalues my contribations. I worked hard to reply point by point to all your concerns and now my remarks are shoved out of sight, in the basement as it were. I will reply on the subpage, but wanted to say this here now. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 23:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Sub page discussion 

message: There are mockups at /example. I made a new section because I simply could not find it in all the verbiage above. Hope this helps. So far it has Circeus' mock up for the county and township lists and my village mockup. Ruhrfisch  ><>°° 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mockups