Talk:History of Scania

message: This article seems to be in an urgent need of expansion. ~~
::Or perhaps better: be merged with the article Scania, which has a lot of history in it. --Vedum (talk) 12:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: It is also possible to make it the other way round. I mean move the history section (which is rather large) here and replace it with a more condensed one on the Scania page. --Muniswede (talk) 12:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah. That's perhaps better. I will try doing that. --Vedum (talk) 21:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

message: This seems to be of little significance. But I still think there is a little, but import, difference between the the two expressions. 
To me it is much more correct to write "was, for many centuries, marked by the struggle..."  than "has, for many centuries, been marked by the struggle..." If we write "has been" it sounds as if the struggle is still going on. And that is just absurd. It ended two centuries ago. Could some native English-speaker comment on that. --Vedum (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Your knowledge of history must be very limited, as is your mastery of the English language. Struggle does not mean war. A struggle here should be understood broadly, particularly in a sociocultural and ethnocultural context. Class struggle should be a fairly obvious example of struggle in a meaning that does not necessarily mean war. The mere fact that the Swedish state insisted on having Scanian removed as a language should be evidence enough that a struggle is still carried on at some level. Dylansmrjones (talk) 21:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Certainly, there has NOT been any "struggle" (in any sense of that word) between the two kingdoms, Denmark and Sweden, about this territory for about 200 years. But there was a constant struggle (including many wars) for many hundred years before that, even if both countries were in the a personal union (the Kalmar  Union) for a long time. The first sentence of this article is about a "struggle" between the states and it has ended once and hopefully for ever. Even if  "struggle not necessarily means war" it is means some kind of antagonism. There is really no antagonism between the countries. Since the 19th century there has been a very good cooperation between the countries (Scandinavism, a Scandinavian Monetary Union (1873-1914, long before the Euro project, which both Denmark and Sweden reject) the Nordic Council,  &c are examples of that. I think, however,  there are very few examples of what you call "sociocultural" or "ethnocultural" struggle. The ethnical and social conditions are very similar in DK and SE. --Vedum (talk) 00:00, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: As a matter of fact the struggle between the countries was not just about this provice. But its geographical position on the peninsula just made it the core of the conflict over the whole Baltic region. I have now made it clear in the lead and added a source (unfotunately not in English). --Muniswede (talk) 08:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  "was" vs. "has been" 

message: :I may be wrong here, at the border between history and prehistory. But f.i. the larger Jelling Stones states 
:"Kong Harald bød gøre disse kumler efter Gorm sin fader og efter Thyra sin moder - den Harald, som vandt sig hele Danmark og Norge og gjorde danerne kristne."
:Or in English
:"King Haraldr ordered this monument made in memory of Gormr, his father, and in memory of Thyrvé, his mother; that Haraldr who won for himself all of Denmark and Norway and made the Danes Christian." 
:It was risen around 985 AD. Late in the 10th Century.
:But article states 8th Century for Scania. That's 200 years before, atleast. And no source. Other stuff are sourcered indirectly (in other articles), but the entire first part (down to mentioning of Jelling Stone calls for better sourcing, I think. 
:Also - when references are lacking, it tend to be easy to self become "lazy". I've contributed with the 14th Century parts, from Black Death to Eric of Pomerania's founding of Landskrona. I've used other , already sourcered articles (but not added them here), but I would have if it was better sourcered from beginning. I will now go back and add sources for my part. But as stated the prehistory and earliest history needs sources, there are none ! Boeing720 (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  When was "Danmark" (Denmark) used first time ? 

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message: The articles says: "The last peace treaty between Sweden and Denmark was signed in the summer of 1720 (in Stockholm), and from that year became Scania a Swedish province". I don't think that the Treaty of Frederiksborg in 1720 was the last peace treaty between Sweden and Denmark. I mean, the Great Northern War was not the last war between Sweden and Denmark. What about the Treaty of Jönköping in 1809, ending the Dano-Swedish War of 1808–09 (probably Denmark's last attempt to regain lost territories)? Perhaps the Treaty of Frederiksborg was the least peace treaty dealing with Scania, but then it has to be clarified. Kindest /EriFr (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  "After 1720 and the last peace treaty"