Talk:Assassination of Anna Politkovskaya

message: I see that the authors of the article detected a culprit and, not waiting for the court's decision, put the blame on him in the second passage of the article. Presenting journalistic speculations as the ultimate truth is simply not acceptable. --Ghirla -трёп- 12:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What are you talking about? There is no original research here and the article does not name any culprit. It is reporting what has been said and attributes the various quotes to the people concerned. That is perfectly within the bounds of Wikipedia policy and in accordance with journalistic standards. -- Hux 14:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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message: I deleted the Litvinenko poisoning section, as it provided no information whatsoever about how Litvinenko's death is relevant to Politkovskaya's assassination.
:Reverted. Not only did the deleted text explain the link to Politkovskaya's murder, the BBC citation backs it up, as do any number of online news sources. It's very relevant to this article. -- Hux 06:25, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Litvinenko

message: It's mostly the same as in the main page. --HanzoHattori 18:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It is because someone just copypasted this article back to the main article after this article was created. It was originally intended that the main page would contain only the first several paragraphs about the assassination but not the subsections (government reactions etc). The main article should be more about her biography and not so much about the assassination. See Olof Palme and Olof Palme assassination - that's how these articles should be handled. ---Majestic- 13:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

text: Agree with -Majestic-. Same thing with articles about Alexander Litvinenko.Biophys 00:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: So, I copied last paragraph from Anna Politkovskaya article (part Assassination) to this article. 1-st, 2-nd and 4-th paragraph in part "Assassination"  of Anna Politkovskaya article should probably remain there. Biophys 00:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree with Majestic. In cases where the person is known for something other than just being assassinated, there should be two articles - the biography and the assassination article. The assassination should be briefly mentioned in the bio article and then linked to its own page, as we've done here, otherwise the bio page gets way too long. -- Hux 05:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: merge

message: DarthJesus clearly has a problem with the appearance of comments from the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (CRI) in this article. Initially he deleted them entirely, citing that the CRI is not a recognized government and that therefore the comments should not appear in the "Government Reaction" section. After several edits and reversions between himself and other editors, I changed the title of that section to "Political Reaction" and put the comments back in. As far as I was concerned, this should have solved the problem. Now, however, DarthJesus is continually moving the CRI comments to the bottom of that list, without any edit note to explain why, and in such a way that it breaks the page's formatting and looks horrible. This situation is becoming ridiculous.
Given how central Chechnya was to Politkovskaya's work, the CRI's comments are clearly relevant to this article. DarthJesus seems to have accepted this since he has stopped attempting to delete the comments outright. He also seems to have accepted that it is acceptable to have those comments on a list titled, "Political Reaction". However, he clearly has a problem with those comments appearing at the top of that list. As my edit notes explain, this list is ordered alphabetically so as to avoid creating a POV by implying that one source is more important than another. The CRI happens to be first in that list due to that alphabetical order so that is the place where it should go.
DarthJesus: please do not keep reverting this edit. If you have an issue with it then let's discuss it here and attempt to come up with a compromise that is agreeable to everyone. Constantly moving the CRI comments to the bottom of the list without any edit comment is not reasonable -- Hux 07:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Recent edits by DarthJesus

message: Hux, where is the connection between Litvinenko and Politkovskaya? I read it and failed to see the connection. Could you please explain it, or were you just bullshitting, in which case I will delete it. 
Thanks, USer XYZ
:As it says in the article, the connection is that Litvinenko was investigating Politkovskaya's murder when he was killed. There is a citation there to a BBC news article to back it up. Additionally, we dealt with this a while ago further up this talk page.
:I've added another link to that cite after the first paragraph in the Litvinenko section, in order to make the connection more clear.
: PS Try to remain civil. -- Hux 19:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Connection between Litvinenko and Politkovskaya

message: Sorry if I'm late getting into this discusion.
The Politokovskaya entry's already way overlength – a case of more is less, I fear.
It wouldn't hurt to separate out the journo and murder from the murder victim and political repercussions. 
Whether it's policy or not, it would make it more readable. And that couldn't hurt.
A See also... link would direct those who want to add to the entry to the right entry/subentry
Renaissanceperson 03:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging/Demerging of Politkovskaya sections

message: When you factor out a section, it pays to demark what should be in the "assassination" article and what should be in the "main" biography. I have done my best to separate these two things, but there is probably now some duplication in this article. I am not going to sort that out.--76.221.184.185 11:09, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: factorings

message: "Russian investigators have identified the killer of journalist Anna Politkovskaya, an aide to the prosecutor-general has said. The suspect was not named, but the official, Vyacheslav Smirnov, said "all measures are being taken to find and detain him. " Krawndawg (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you, the page looks much more organized now. Krawndawg (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Killer identified

message: english version
It's kind of misleading to just use the title in this article when deeper in the article it is much more complicated than "Secret services did it".
This sentence implies that they aren't sure themselves and that they reject theories about secret services doing it: "The question here is not about total plot by special services (let this be left for American action movies) or about omnipresent Berezovsky (let it be left for state TV journalists and those who needs the topic for saving one’s career). The problem is how to understand: who serves whom and when?" Krawndawg (talk) 23:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced what was there with a full quote from the article since they imply two very different things. That second paragraph about it being connected to the official report has to go too, since it's just original research/speculation. If that story is consistent with the official report, people will see that for themselves. Krawndawg (talk) 23:52, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

text: No, you replaced the summary by selective citation out of context. Please explain what is wrong in summary and wait for reply. If you think something is missing, please add what is missing rather than delete.Biophys (talk) 05:02, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I already explained the problem. The article is much more complicated than the summary title. There's a reason they wrote a huge article on it instead of publishing the 10 word title and leaving it. It can't be left like that. And you restored original research based on connections you drew yourself: "The report was consistent with the official version that Nukayev indeed organized assassinations of Politkovskaya and Paul Khlebnikov. " Krawndawg (talk) 05:46, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I removed this phrase.Biophys (talk) 16:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Novaya gazeta article

message: , . Biophys (talk) 19:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: More sources about Putin involvement

message: I removed the infobox, maybe it's better to find an appropriate picture like anna in her death-bed or a memorial. Also wasn't there video footage of the murderer in the garage? - PietervHuis (talk) 18:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No, there was no this video footage. It would be great if you could find more pictures on the subject. See this image:
Biophys (talk) 19:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: pic

message: http://www.novayagazeta.ru/data/2007/77/00.html This image of the security camera is what I meant earlier. - PietervHuis (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: killer

message: It was reported that journalists will not be allowed to be present in the court room, allegedly on the request from jurors. In reply, 19 of 20 jurors signed a letter requesting the proceedings to be open and journalists be present, telling that they never asked the proceedings to be closed  
. Some other details by Muratov  
Biophys (talk) 03:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Case developments

message: A defendant and a key witness in the Anna Politkovskaya murder trial worked on behalf of the
Federal Security Service, one of the slain reporter's editors
testified in court Friday.
Sergei Sokolov, deputy editor of Novaya Gazeta, where Politkovskaya
wrote critical reports about federal abuses in Chechnya, said the FSB
was tailing the journalist before she was killed in October 2006.
"It has become known to me that Dzhabrail Makhmudov was an agent," he
told the packed courtroom. 
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/1010/42/372957.htm Grey Fox (talk) 10:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: There are two brothers, Dzhabrail Makhmudov and Rustam Makhmudov, both connected to FSB Colonel Ryaguzov (he was apparently their handler). Your older source tells mostly about Dzhabrail Makhmudov. It is alleged right now, that the person  who pulled the trigger was Rustam Makmudov (Russian source that I cited). This all seems misleading because the same person (Sokolov) tells very similar things about every brother (connection to Ryaguzov). However, in fact he tells different things: Rustam was wanted since 1998, and so on. I could not find anywhere exactt published text of recent talk by Sokolov in the court.Biophys (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Editor Links FSB to Politkovskaya Death

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thread_title:  Working for her Uncle Sam? 

message: Shouldn`t the date of her death be in the first sentence like virtually every other biographical article in Wikipedia?  I don`t edit articles because my edits are usually reverted but this is obvious. 24.196.172.209 (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lead Paragraph 

message: A question has been raised on BLPNB if the quotation from the book by Volodarsky should be included . This particular quotation tells "they" about FSB people.  Yes, I think it should be included somewhere (not necessarily in intro) because this is something generally assumed by most sources about this case. In particular, Dmitry Pavliutchenkov, the person convicted for the crime, named FSB officer Pavel Ryaguzov as someone who run the operation. According to Novaya Gazeta (see here): 
There are also many other sources telling about involvement of Pavel Ryaguzov. This claim is simply nothing special to my knowledge. In addition the same source tells: "Novaya Gazeta learned that in the summer of 2006, UFSB (Federal Security Service Administration (FSSA)) for Moscow and Moscow Region received a field operation request from the FSSA for Kabardino-Balkaria to do a full manhunt for Anna Politkovskaya". My very best wishes (talk) 22:16, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Checked a few more sources. Dmitry Pavliutchenkov was also a witness in the case of murder of Paul Klebnikov, had a very special (good) treatment in a hospital where he made most of his time , and he is going to be released . My very best wishes (talk) 15:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

text: Perhaps the claim should be rephrased, extended, and better sourced, but not like this. My very best wishes (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Quotation from book by Volodarsky

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message: In the section titled "Suspected killer identified," Dmitry Dovgy (since jailed in 2009 for accepting bribes from an oligarch related to Politkovskaya's killing, which may be relevant) is cited as an official of the "Investigating Committee of the Persecution Office of Russia." Obviously, there is no "Persecution Office of Russia." The committee referred to was a special investigative committee of the office of the Prosecutor-General of Russia. Additionally, the citation for this claim links to the Russia Wiki article for this topic, which, while surely reliable, is not an appropriate source. Request alteration to remove bizarre statement of "Persecution Office" and addition of more reliable link. WhampoaSamovar (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Accuracy/language 

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message: I think I heard on the news some time ago that they had been 'paroled' from prison very early?  True?  False?  Not my SME area so leaving it to the involved editors to update article if need be. If they are out it is no surprise - and I'm sure they've been compensated for their 'sacrifice.' 50.111.55.190 (talk) 20:44, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: released?