Talk:Jovano Jovanke

message: is there no limit?! :)))  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Capricornis (talk • contribs) 18:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  I laughed for 5 minutes when I saw your comment [[User: Laveol]] (alphabetical listing) 

message: If it's going to have the categories Macedonian and Bulgarian songs, shouldn't it also have the categories Serbian and Greek songs? --AimLook (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine. Go ahead. I think the point is that it's a traditional song that originates from a region in the Balkans which currently doesn't strictly fit inside the borders of one particular nation state. Donama (talk) 04:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Categories

message: That is a joke. Laveol, I think this song is Macedonian. You think it is Bulgarian. I know neither side can produce hard evidence of where it originates from, but that is no reason for putting the Bulgarian version ahead of the Macedonian one. As we all know, being first in order implies that the song is of Bulgarian origin. However, Aleksandar Sarievski is the most famous performer and (correct me if I'm wrong) he is also the first performer. Therefore, the Macedonian version should receive precedence. Your thoughts? Bruka (talk) 07:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Hmm, actually the order does not imply anything - that way Macedonian is in the middle which could imply the same. I don't think it's a Bulgarian song, but that it comes from the Balkans. And I'm tired of silly movings around and around  the only NPOV way is to list the two possible versions in an alphabetical order with Eglish coming after them as it could not be mistaken as country (as ridiculous as it sounds) of origin. That's the best possible solution in such cases and what we were advised on previous occassions such a dispute arose. --Laveol T 10:39, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I reworked the section to be in chronology order. Don't mind if it's changed but should follow an ordering that avoids giving any particular rendition special attention. Also removed point-of-view statements like "best known" and "famous". Of course all these artists must be famous to some extent or the rendition wouldn't be in the public domain. Donama (talk) 04:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

text: And Laveol, if the order doesn't imply anything (which I think it does), why don't you agree to have the Macedonian version first? If you think the order of listing of the renditions doesn't matter, than you shouldn't have anything against the Macedonian version being lsited first.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.228.17 (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Alphabetical Listing? (of renditions) 

message: Why is so wrong to mention that the lyrics is in Macedonian? Whenever the song is sang the text is always in Macedonian i.e. in Croatia they sing it in Macedonian, in BG they sing it in Macedonian etc. That  is a fact that need to be mentioned and that has nothing to do with proving whether the song is BG or Macedonian (we know it isn't). --MacedonianBoy (talk) 13:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: If the song is hundreds of years old (as it's purported to be) then the linguistic classification predates classifications of Macedonian and Bulgarian dialects from the southern Slavonic dialect continuum. This is a point seized upon by Bulgarian and Macedonian nationalists alike. So I see little value in trying to pin down whether the "original language" was Macedonian or some dialect of Bulgarian that no longer has a name. It's a political war rather than encyclopaedic. I'm not going to change what you've done though, because I don't want to be involved in edit warring myself. I'm concerned that certain others will come along here and start warring over it though and that's when I'll have to step back in and ask for it to simply be removed. Donama (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I see little value in adding this and sparking yet another lame edit-war. Why does it always had to be dog-pissed with all our language. I am pretty confident the song pre-dates not only the codification of Macedonia, but that of Bulgarian and Serbian, as well. --Laveol T 07:07, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have edited it. None of the sources says something like: "The original song is in Macedonian" and cannot possibly say such a thing for the reasons already stated above. --Laveol T 07:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I have removed the additions altogether, because, as I see it, they're unnecessary. It's sung in all the languages of the region (as has been previously shown when the lyrics were included in the article in various languages. That a Macedonian language rendition exists is obvious and giving undue weight to one particular language over the others. Donama (talk) 00:16, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Lyrics

message: :
Unless I'm very much deluded, the J does not represent the vowel /i/, it represents the palatal approximant /j/.  I'll change the description and correct the punctuation, hoping not to offend any Macedonians or Bulgarians. —Tamfang (talk) 01:46, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  vowels and semivowels 

message: The song is old and is performed all over Macedonia, including the Bulgarian part. It existed before the codification of the Macedonian language in 1945. It is unnecessary to delve into this topic, especially since academic sources in English have been added, which describe it as an old urban song from Bulgaria. Jingiby (talk) 05:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Lame edit-war