Talk:Conscious hip hop

message: I Believe this should moved to the name of "Positive Rap" or "Positive Hip-hop" as it is a more popular name "Concious Hip-Hop" is too broad as a whole like many artist could be considered that ranging from 2Pac(Gangsta Rap) to Nas(Mofasio Rap) or even Lupe Fiasco(Alternative Hip-Hop)and even Kanye West(Pop Rap) it should be split into Political Hip-Hop and Positive Hip-Hop.Xx1994xx (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: survey

message: what about Nas, he has lots of socially conscious songs, even 2Pac had some of the most famous socially conscious hip-hop like "Dear Mama", "Brenda's Got a Baby", "Changes", and "Keep Your Head Up" etc, what do you think, I dont want to just add them to the list without this discussion though.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.0.88 (talk • contribs) 
:I'd say don't add them, because even though they might have some conscious material, they're mostly gangsta. Λυδαcιτγ 03:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, the list is more for predominately Conscious rappers. ReverendG 04:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea! Want to start it? List of conscious hip hop artists. Λυδαcιτγ 04:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

text: Sure, I don't think it'll warrent it's own page until it's become quite long, but I can start one in this article. ReverendG 05:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Looks good. Λυδαcιτγ 03:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

text: Kanye is concious whether you agree with his message or not, you dont have to believe his message for it to be concious, it doesnt have to be right or wrong, its a social message.--Samil20 13:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: list

message: Well...is there? Sounds like a load of bollocks if you ask me. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice response, though I would add: Yes, there is hip-hop that isn't conscious hip-hop. It's not unconscious, like asleep, but it's not conscious hip-hop.  TribeCalledQuest 12:04, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is there...unconscious hip-hip? 

message: The significance problem is made clear by the first sentance-- its only a term that refers to a subjective assesment of lyrical content.  Perhaps it would go better at wiktionary?  The NPOV problem comes in when we start weighing in on whats conscious and whats not.--Urthogie 08:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: OK, but to a certain extent all groupings are subjective. This one may be more so than most, but it is a widely used term. So far, we haven't done a "list of conscious hip hop artists" or anything. If NPOV is a big problem, we can keep it that way, and not even attempt to list conscious hip hop artists. Λυδαcιτγ 00:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's obvious to see what is concious and what isnt.  There is a big seperation within the hip-hop community between "backpackers" and "mainstream"--Samil20 13:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  npov and significance problems 

message: It would make sense for articles on the listed artists to include a link to this article!
— DIV (128.250.204.118 04:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Linking

message: Is it wrong to put a rapper or rap group with very often hardcore, violent lyrics, such as Jedi Mind Tricks, in this section? I'm a big fan of Jedi Mind Tricks but I recognize a higher than average amount of gun references and overall violent lyrics in their music, especially from Violent By Design to Legacy of Blood. --hasafienda 07:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. There's a difference between conscious hip-hoppers and artists with occasionally conscious lyrics/songs. Along the same lines, Metallica wrote ballads (Unforgiven), but we wouldn't put them in any sort of soft rock category because of those exceptions to the rule. EVERY hip-hopper at one point or another wrote a song with conscious lyrics or that was trying to deliver a message. The list should be limitted to artists who were predominately or known for their conscious style.  TribeCalledQuest 12:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Violent rappers labeled as conscious 

message: Although we eliminated the huge overall list (which was a good move, I believe), we're slowly gathering a new list of artists who are "conscious", but have had mainstream success. Is Kanye really socially conscious? No sourcing is given. Is there any way to make this more objective? Tiger Khan (talk) 15:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I eliminated the list. It did little to improve the article and was sure to grow to overwhelm the substance of the article, much as the previous list did. If anyone has any particular reason why this shouldn't have been done/has real criteria on how to define who makes the list, please tell me. Tiger Khan (talk) 04:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  List 

message: Conscious hip-hop sounds kind of stupid to me. As someone else said, "what's the alternative, unconscious hip-hop?" I don't think that people have anything else in mind except social consciousness (I don't see any mentions of meditation hip-hop or some other discussion of the conscious), so why not actually call it this? It would define the subject matter more effectively. Thoughts? Tiger Khan (talk) 04:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Regardless of how it sounds to you, the genre is generally referred to as "Conscious hip-hop"--Darknus823 (talk) 17:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I suppose as much. Socially conscious hip hop is also heavily referenced, however: http://books.google.com/books?client=firefox-a&um=1&spell=1&q=%22socially+conscious%22+hip+hop&btnG=Search+Books Tiger Khan (talk) 20:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested Move 

message: This article needs to be merged (unless someone wants to try improving it and reargue for keeping it). But, the articles on Hip Hop and Hip Hop music dont have sections this would fit into well at all. My best idea (which i have been discussing at my talk page with another editor concerned with placement) is Political hip hop, which already links to it, and which tries to separate political hip hop from conscious hip hop. i think the two can exist together, with conscious being a subsection. Any other ideas?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Merge

message: Substituted at 12:12, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Assessment comment