Talk:Ramsay Traquair

message: Returning to this article after several years to add some sources (some not readily available at the time).
===Done===
Items considered and used or rejected or not needed.
*Possibly genealogy to follow up. Though care is needed, as always, with such things. Starting point would be to confirm the exact birth and death dates in the JSTOR obituary recently added to the external links.
*1881 Wollaston Fund (from the GSL)
*FORMER FELLOWS OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY OF EDINBURGH. 1783-2002 has lots of details, including place of burial. See page 941 of that document. Also confirms he was a fellow of the RSE.
*Small amount here, probably better sourced from elsewhere
*This is an obituary, but not sure which journal it is from. (See below: from the Geological Magazine)
*Details of Fellowship of Royal Society can be looked up as well (done: nothing much extra there)
*Was made LLD of the University of Edinburgh in around 1893
*Elected FGS in 1874 - see here.
*See also here. This is a book called 'Men and Women of the Time' by George Washington Moon, and published in 1891. Has an entry for Traquair. Includes a mention of the 'Lords of the Committee of Council on Education' (early form of the Education Ministry) which explains the references elsewhere to the appointments in Dublin and Edinburgh being 'government' appointments. Also lists some of his main papers to that date.
===Not yet done===
;Family
Could add in form of footnoted notes at relevant points.
*Entry for his son (Ramsay Traquair) in Dictionary of Scottish Architects
*Details of Harry Moss Traquair (ophthalmic surgeon) available in the RSE source below. He was also a Fellow of the RSE and a Fellow of the RCSE and President of the RCSE. Obituary is here.
*Entry for his wife at the National Library of Scotland
;Other obituaries
*Traquair, Ramsay Heatley 1913 QJ 69 (obituary from the GSL, currently in references, but more could be added here)
*Nature obituary (includes tale of childhood fossil discovery) is at: Nature 90, 363-364 (28 November 1912) 
*Obituary notice of Ramsay H. Traquair. Proc. R. phys. Soc. Edinb. 19 : 44-46. 1913
*Ramsay Heatley Traquair, L. Hussakof, Science New Series, Vol. 37, No. 953 (Apr. 4, 1913) pp. 509-511 (currently in the external links)
*Eminent Living Geologists - Ramsay Heatley Traquair, 1909, Geological Magazine (Decade V), Volume 6, Issue 06, pp 241-250 (currently in references, but only used to cite existence of article - still needs to be checked for further use as a reference)
;Books and papers
*Collected Papers (1892)
*List of books and other works published and fossils he described and/or named would be possible. An example of a book is here (The ganoid fishes of the British carboniferous formations. Part I)
*Full example of one of his papers is here: J Anat Physiol. 1872 May; 6(Pt 2): [411]-416, 512-37. On the so-called Tailless Trout of Islay. Ramsay H. Traquair.
*This page mentions "REPORT ON FOSSIL FISHES" COLLECTED BY THE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF SCOTLAND IN THE SILURIAN ROCKS OF THE SOUTH OF SCOTLAND -1899 BY RAMSAY H. TRAQUAIR - definitely examples of some of the many fish he described should be in this article.
*ODNB and Who Was Who also have lists of major papers and books, and the Moon work of 1891 has a partial list to that date.
;Other
*This is a blog, but may be of passing interest (it names a fossil fish he named).
*See here for election in 1859 (still at university) to the Royal Physical Society of Edinburgh. Also, this result suggests an election to a geological society in 1874. The publication is from the Edinburgh Geological Society, but have been unable to find date for FGS, which should refer to the London GS, but maybe he was fellow of both. For more on the RPSE and Traquair's role and a pointer to a book he wrote on its early history, see here.
*The Neill Prize and Makdougall-Brisbane Prize citations can be found in 'Proceedings of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, Volume 9, 1878' and 'Proceedings, Volume 23, Royal Society of Edinburgh, 1902' respectively. Citation for the Lyell Medal would also be good.
*The Swiney Lecture was for graduates of Edinburgh University. See here. It should be possible to cite each lectureship award and the series of lectures he gave in each of the ten years.
*Retirement was (in part at least) due to an age limit. See here.
*Useful resource is the Lyell Collection of the GSL
*Traquair was also President of the Geological Society of Glasgow from 1902 to 1905. See: Geological Society, London, Memoirs January 2011, v. 34:111-132; 
Other sources added directly to the external links for later use. Carcharoth (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank-you. Can you tell by the "jid=GEO" bit in the URL? Is there a way to extract a full citation for it, including the year? Ah, I see, I need to go here. Should be able to get the details there and maybe a better link as well. What I'd also like to do is get a photo of the headstone on his grave in Colinton. Need to try and get hold of someone near or in Colinton in Edinburgh. Carcharoth (talk) 19:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "jid=GEO" means Geological Magazine (I suspected it would be the Geological Magazine, went to their site, found a link to some free articles, and looked at the "jid" value in the URLs). Maybe Findagrave would have a picture of the headstone? DuncanHill (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Follow-up 

message: ;Family
Could add in form of footnoted notes at relevant points.
*Entry for his son (Ramsay Traquair) in Dictionary of Scottish Architects
*Details of Harry Moss Traquair (ophthalmic surgeon) available in the RSE source below. He was also a Fellow of the RSE and a Fellow of the RCSE and President of the RCSE. Obituary is here.
*Entry for his wife at the National Library of Scotland
;Other obituaries
*Traquair, Ramsay Heatley 1913 QJ 69 (obituary from the GSL, currently in references, but more could be added here)
*Nature obituary (includes tale of childhood fossil discovery) is at: Nature 90, 363-364 (28 November 1912) 
*Obituary notice of Ramsay H. Traquair. Proc. R. phys. Soc. Edinb. 19 : 44-46. 1913
*Ramsay Heatley Traquair, L. Hussakof, Science New Series, Vol. 37, No. 953 (Apr. 4, 1913) pp. 509-511 (currently in the external links)
*Eminent Living Geologists - Ramsay Heatley Traquair, 1909, Geological Magazine (Decade V), Volume 6, Issue 06, pp 241-250 (currently in references, but only used to cite existence of article - still needs to be checked for further use as a reference)
;Books and papers
*Collected Papers (1892)
*List of books and other works published and fossils he described and/or named would be possible. An example of a book is here (The ganoid fishes of the British carboniferous formations. Part I)
*Full example of one of his papers is here: J Anat Physiol. 1872 May; 6(Pt 2): [411]-416, 512-37. On the so-called Tailless Trout of Islay. Ramsay H. Traquair.
*This page mentions "REPORT ON FOSSIL FISHES" COLLECTED BY THE GEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF SCOTLAND IN THE SILURIAN ROCKS OF THE SOUTH OF SCOTLAND -1899 BY RAMSAY H. TRAQUAIR - definitely examples of some of the many fish he described should be in this article.
*ODNB and Who Was Who also have lists of major papers and books, and the Moon work of 1891 has a partial list to that date.
;Other
*This is a blog, but may be of passing interest (it names a fossil fish he named).
*See here for election in 1859 (still at university) to the Royal Physical Society of Edinburgh. Also, this result suggests an election to a geological society in 1874. The publication is from the Edinburgh Geological Society, but have been unable to find date for FGS, which should refer to the London GS, but maybe he was fellow of both. For more on the RPSE and Traquair's role and a pointer to a book he wrote on its early history, see here.
*The Neill Prize and Makdougall-Brisbane Prize citations can be found in 'Proceedings of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, Volume 9, 1878' and 'Proceedings, Volume 23, Royal Society of Edinburgh, 1902' respectively. Citation for the Lyell Medal would also be good.
*The Swiney Lecture was for graduates of Edinburgh University. See here. It should be possible to cite each lectureship award and the series of lectures he gave in each of the ten years.
*Retirement was (in part at least) due to an age limit. See here.
*Useful resource is the Lyell Collection of the GSL
*Traquair was also President of the Geological Society of Glasgow from 1902 to 1905. See: Geological Society, London, Memoirs January 2011, v. 34:111-132; 
Other sources added directly to the external links for later use. Carcharoth (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Not yet done

message: The obituary "This is an obituary, but not sure which journal it is from." is from the Geological Magazine. DuncanHill (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank-you. Can you tell by the "jid=GEO" bit in the URL? Is there a way to extract a full citation for it, including the year? Ah, I see, I need to go here. Should be able to get the details there and maybe a better link as well. What I'd also like to do is get a photo of the headstone on his grave in Colinton. Need to try and get hold of someone near or in Colinton in Edinburgh. Carcharoth (talk) 19:39, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, "jid=GEO" means Geological Magazine (I suspected it would be the Geological Magazine, went to their site, found a link to some free articles, and looked at the "jid" value in the URLs). Maybe Findagrave would have a picture of the headstone? DuncanHill (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title: Discussion

message: *The Who Was Who source gives a death date of 24 November 1912, rather than 22 November 1912 as stated in the ODNB article. Since the latter uses as one of its sources his death certificate, I'm staying with that one. The Who Was Who entry also states that the Lyell Medal was 1902, rather than 1901. Again, I'm staying with what the Geological Society of London say on their own website, and double-checking the Who Was Who bits.
*The RSE source gives different names and dates for the prizes it awarded, but as they are the awarding institution, I went with what they said, rather than the slightly different names and dates given in Who Was Who.
Various added above. Carcharoth (talk) 02:48, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Source inconsistencies 

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