Talk:Abu Bakar Ba'asyir

message: If he was found not guilty of the Bali bombings, he should not be referred to as the "Bali bombing cleric."  
18:21, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  earlier comments 

message: This guy should have been shot by firing squad.  The Indonesian Govt is piss weak (to use the Australian vernacular).
KymFarnik 04:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: No, not a good outcome this week.  Here's some more information about the Indo Govt's role...  http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19480035-601,00.html --Merbabu 05:23, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  I responded to Kymfarnik's comments that the "Indonesian Govt is piss weak". Out of the two comments, my posted article contributes more - maybe kym can see there is more to it than his simplistic interpretations. --Merbabu 09:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Injustice 

message: what is the source for this, i know he is in his sixties but is there anything specific in the public domain.Hypnosadist 11:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes he is in not very good health. In his second jailing he was arrested when he was in hospital for treatmentNielswik(talk) 11:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: ill health

message: I got all the things that i put in this section from Indonesian and Malaysian wikipedia article Nielswik(talk) 13:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Are they referenced? I hope so - then use their references here. Are there other references? Even in Indonesian is OK, but English is preferred. --Merbabu 13:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Makasih ya, aku baca sendiri aja. ;) --Merbabu 14:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: And that tempo article also said that Suharto accused him of supporting Hispran (DI/TII separatist in central Java), it has nothing to do with GAM in aceh or separatist in sulawesi Nielswik(talk) 13:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

text: As most of the statement have been confirmed by the tempo article, then what should we do with the unreferenced tag? Nielswik(talk) 15:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Early life section 

message: As you think that sounds stupid, i think i have to explain you. Bashir believes that Indonesian bombers was involved, but CIA knew this  in advance, and then, place more powerful bombs (the "mini-nuke" bombs) to maximize the effect, and justify its claim that Indonesia is a "sarang teroris". In fact, the Indonesian bombers confessed that they bombed using potassium chlorate, and I read this material couldnt have caused such a great explosion which killed 202 deaths and destroyed building several blocks away. And that also explains why US consular building wasn't much affected, though it was one of three location of the bomb-blasts. Nielswik(talk) 14:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bombers have also confirmed all the clear evidence that the Paddies bomb was a backpack bomb, and that the second Sari Club bomb was in a van. They found bits of the truck, and the prosecutors built a replica of the bomb, which the bombers gladly described on freely transmitted TV. I don't why people are so quick to believe whacky conspiracies. Furthermore, i don't believe accepting the truth is any way a slur on Islam, Muslims or Indonesians - who like any group of people are overwhemingling decent. Of course, the question of whether ABB was involved is a completely seperate question, and I admit, is less clear than the question of what sort of bombs were involved. regards --Merbabu 23:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Merbabu: as you are able to understand indonesian (are you too, OldRoy?) here is two article (in Indonesian) "Bali Bombs, Micronuclear?" by an ISTECS (Institute for Science and Technology Studies) scientist and this "Bali Bombs was not C4 but it was a micronuclear!" in detik.com, the biggest web-based Indonesian news service. I am figuring out how to find English-language source of this --Nielswik(talk) 09:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: this is an english article but it is not a RS, i think. --Nielswik(talk) 09:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

text: Amazing. Everybody speaks Bahasa! --Nielswik(talk) 15:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Biasanya sedikit sedikit ... SatuSuro 13:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Little little we can --Merbabu 14:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: haha great~ --Nielswik(talk) 14:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bashir, CIA and Bali Bombing 

message: A couple of Sydney Morning Herald articles on on Bashir's recent conviction:
* http://www.smh.com.au/world/cocky-bashir-turns-meek-as-he-faces-the-rest-of-his-life-in-jail-20110616-1g67z.html
* http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/indonesian-justice-strikes-a-blow-against-radical-islam-with-bashir-verdict-20110616-1g5yj.html
--Merbabu (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: drug smuggler gets  Death, while Terrorist murder gets prison time?  typical Indonesian idiocy Juror1 (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: 2011 conviction

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: I just removed a paragraph and a half of material about Bashir that had been unsourced since 2007. Whenever I remove long-term unsourced material, I make an effort to see if I can verify it, and in this case was initially quite pleased: I found two Indonesian-language sources verifying all of our early-life information: CNN Indonesia; Republika.
However, on further review I found that the Republika article is plagiarizing :id:Abu Bakar Ba'asyir, and I became suspicious that the CNN article used the exact same ordering of facts as our article does, which made me suspect possible citogenesis. I ran this by User:Nyanardsan, who speaks Indonesian, and he felt that the statements are extremely similar as well. For that reason, I'm not considering the CNN article reliable (despite being published by what is generally a reliable source). I cannot find any other corroboration of the early life claims, which is why I've removed them.
That said, I have a gut feeling that these claims are probably true. If someone can find a reliable source asserting them that doesn't look like citogenesis, please feel free to restore the material. And if someone disagrees with my conclusion that the CNN article is citogenesis, please let me know, as I'd really like to be wrong on that (since otherwise it's a perfect source). -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 06:42, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unsourced material about early life