Talk:Bulleh Shah

message: Siraiki is described by many other sources as a dialect of Punjabi, not Sindhi. Is Siraiki a dialect of Punjabi or Sindhi? Or is it a combination of these two languages. 24 July, 2005
:Many people consider it a dialect of Punjabi, others don't!  But it's normally classed with Punjabi or a separate language, not usually with Sindhi.  Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 14:46, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Dialect of Punjabi or Sindhi?

message: Was he a contemporary of Bulleh Shah? --Sarabseth 12:38, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  M. Ahsan Iqbal  

message: I don't think the fact that the quotations are not in English should be the issue.  They can be easily translated if they're worth keeping.
So maybe the issue is: who are these people who are being quoted?  If Bulleh Shah was their teacher, the quotes have to be taken from historical texts. If someone can provide citations, perhaps the quotes are worth restoring? --Sarabseth 15:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit by Jerry lavoie on Feb 8 

message: I'm not sure it's better to put his birth name first.  He wrote under the name Bulleh Shah.  The title for his entry is also Bulleh Shah not Abdullah Shah.
Should the Bob Dylan entry start: "Robert Zimmerman, better known as Bob Dylan, was a ..."?
(For the record, that entry starts: "Bob Dylan (born Robert Allen Zimmerman, May 24, 1941)...")
It's exactly the same issue, I think.  --Sarabseth 14:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops- you're right.  I changed it because I misread MoS:BIO.  I thought it specifically stated that the birth name should come first, but it doesn't have to.  johnpseudo 15:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Opening sentence 

message: Hello. I just wanted to explain my removal of the word "hugely". It seemed to be challenged here. I think that "it became hugely popular" sounds peacock-ish and that the "hugely" is hugely unnecessary ;) especially since it is not sourced. That being said, I don't really care, I just saw the challenge of the word and did what I thought was the best way to deal with it. Cheers! Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 22:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi!  It's hard to read the mind of the person who inserted that "not hugely".  Could be just pointless vandalism, for instance.  That sentence has read that way for a very long time, with no objections.  I think it reads better with the word "hugely" than without.  That song was indeed a huge hit; maybe a reference can be found. --Sarabseth (talk) 22:27, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

text: I saw that, nice job. No objections from me anymore, not that you'd have had anymore fro me anyway :) Cheers! Apparition11 Complaints/Mistakes 22:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Hugely 

message: Removed the following material from the article:
Banda Singh Bahadur was a contemporary of Bulleh Shah. In retaliation for the murder of Guru Gobind Singh's two sons by Aurangzeb, he sought revenge by killing common Muslims. Baba Bulleh Shah tried to convince Banda Singh Bairagi to renounce his campaign of revenge. Bulleh Shah told him that the same sword which fell upon Guru Gobind Singh's sons and innocent Sikhs also fell upon innocent Muslims. Hence killing innocent Muslim was not the answer to Aurangzeb's reign of oppression.
[CLARIFICATION About Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadur: Baba Banda Singh Bahadur Ji never killed any innocent civilians. He was a saint and was living in highest stages of spirituality. He only took a sword against bad Islamic rulers. He also had support from some highly acclaimed spiritual leaders of islaam (for example Peer Budhu Shah Ji)].
Please do not re-insert into article without citations in support.  --Sarabseth (talk) 12:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Banda Singh Bahadur 

message: Deleted this today, for the following reasons:
a) Citing http://sufipoetry.wordpress.com/poets/bulleh-shah is invalid; this is just a blog post that is a snapshot of the Wikipedia article from a few years ago (which is duly acknowledged at the bottom of the post).  More importantly, this cited reference contains no mention of anti-Islamic views.
b) In effect, then, the section is unsourced OR.
c) The argument offered in the section is essentially a misrepresentation of Bulleh Shah's poetry by cherry-picking isolated lines and taking them out of context.  Bulleh Shah was not against Islam, he was against blind orthodoxy.
d) Please note that this section should not be resurrected without reliable sourcing --Sarabseth (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree. I already deleted this section once, earlier on yesterday, and politely warned the user about adding unsourced material. He then re-added it (in a pretty poor state) with some references and, not wanting to head off towards 3RR, I cleaned it up as best I could. Could you please raise this issue on the original poster's talk page and explain to him why this is being done. I'll do the same, and if nothing has changed by this time tomorrow then I'll come back and delete the section. If anyone objects, please pipe up! basalisk (talk) 11:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't know if there's some confusion.  I have already deleted the section, so there's no need to come back tomorrow and delete it.  And I'm afraid I don't have the time to leave a note on his Talk page.  (Besides, I'm not even sure that an anonymous editor with just an IP address as an identifier has a Talk page in any meaningful sense.)  If he cares about whether his edits stand or not, he should be monitoring the article, and I have explained my deletion fully here. --Sarabseth (talk) 17:18, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a problem? When I load the current version of the page the section you claim to have deleted is still there. Network issues perhaps...basalisk (talk) 19:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newly created "Anti-Islamic Views" section 

message: Bulleh Shah was Sufi poet. He wrote many books in punjabi. He spent his most of time in his house and worship Allah.
 Umair 786 (talk) 14:42, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Life Of Bulleh Shah 

message: Lately, I have noticed a user changing the religion of Islam --> to Humanism in the template. Please do not cherry-pick certain lines in his poetry and put them out of context and forget the main reason being for the poetry. Bulleh Shah was a SUFI SAINT and for those of you who didn't know please read more about them. He is known as an Auliya and some people turned him into non-muslim? Please do your research before you put text out of context. Thank You.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:F440:566:1D78:98B8:4219:2576 (talk) 12:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion of Bulleh Shah 

message: Hazrat Baba Bulleh Shah ji is the only great personality that has shown courage to speak truth against fear driven Monotheism. People of Punjab need to accept the truth as Baba ji explains again and again and again. You people have divided Punjab, sold your generations to English-speaking countries (UK, Canada, Australia, USA) only to avoid accepting the truth that there exists no Allah. There is no God. It's is still not late, if there does exist Allah, he does not like Pakistan because otherwise, Pakistan would have not been in the situation it is today. Just accept it so we can start building a new Punjab, Baba Bulleh da Punjab. 
1. Bulleh Shah did not believe in Allah or God:
Rab rab karde budhe ho gaye, Mulla Pandat saray, Rab da khooj khurra na Lubha, Sajde kar kar haare,
Source: https://www.urdusadpoetry.com/2012/06/rab-rab-karde-budhe-ho-gaye-bulleh-shah.html
2. Bulleh Shah did not believe in going to Hajj:
Makkay gayaan, gal mukdee naheen Pawain sow sow jummay parrh aaeey
Going to Makkah is not the ultimate Even if hundreds of prayers are offered
Source: https://sufipoetry.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/makkeh-gaya-bulleh-shah/
3. Bulleh Shah did not believe in mosque so his religion was not Islam: 
"Na main moman vich maseetan" [Nor am I the believer in mosque]
Source: https://allpoetry.com/Bulla-Ki-Jana-Main-Kaun
4. Baba Bulleh Shah did not believe in praying as he said in his kafi to burn the mat on which you pray (Phook Musalaa) . 
"Phook Musalaa bhann sut Lota, (Burn the mat over which you pray and break the mug with which you do wazu,) Na pharh tasabi kasa sota." (Do not hold rosary, bowl and stick).
Source: http://www.merinews.com/clogArticle/baba-bule-shah-the-rebel-sufi-mystic-poet/15895799
5. Bulleh Shah denounced religion in his famous kafi below. In the last line he is confused as to which religion to ban (kihdi kara pabandi) because there are so many of them (Wahabi, Dev-bandi (Hindu), Shia, Sunni)
اِک پاسے میرے رہن وہابی اِک پاسے دیو بندی اَگے پِچھے شیعہ سنی ڈاڈھی فرقہ بندی وِچ وچالے ساڈا کوٹھا، قسمت ساڈی مندی اِک محلّہ، اَٹھ مسیتاں، کہدی کراں پابندی
ਇਕ ਪਾਸੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਹਾਬੀ, ਇਕ ਪਾਸੇ ਦੇਵ ਬੰਦੀ ਅੱਗੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਸ਼ੀਆ ਸੁੰਨੀ, ਡਾਢੀ ਫ਼ਿਰਕਾ ਬੰਦੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਵਿਚਾਲੇ ਸਾਡਾ ਕੋਠਾ, ਕਿਸਮਤ ਸਾਡੀ ਮੰਦੀ ਇਕ ਮਹੱਲਾ, ਅੱਠ ਮਸੀਤਾਂ, ਕਹਿਦੀ ਕਰਾਂ ਪਾਬੰਦੀ
Bulleh Shah always preached about humanity regardless of religion so Bulleh Shah does not belong to any religion.
6. Please watch the video below in which famous sufi singer Satinder Sartaaj is saying "There is no influence of mazhab (religion) in modern sufism" which he is referring to Bulleh Shah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkoDsdRXuEo
: Article Talk pages are there for editors to collaborate on article content, not for musings about article subject. Read WP:TPG. And sign your posts. — kashmīrī TALK 13:11, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Furthermore, the assertions made above don't cite reliable sources. An author's own poetry is not necessarily indicative of that author's views. Blogs, Youtube videos, quotations from "famous" singers, or other non-scholarly sources, are not considered reliable. Not a single statement above supports the assertion that he is atheist. At best, he is not Muslim, but not being Muslim doesn't mean he's atheist. A spiritual quality in his writings do suggest some religious beliefs. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
thread_title: Greatest Atheist ever born in Punjab