Talk:Glossary of Texas A&M University terms/Archive 2

message: Seems like it is I come up with the most ideas to add to pages at the least convenient times. during FA/FL reviews.  Oh well.
When skimming though the corps dictionary, the terms, "SP", "JP", and "ZP", all stuck out in my head.  doing a quick google search, it would seem that they are not common terms in other ROTC programs. I am not sure if one "privileges" section would suffice. This would allow us to shorten the wildcat, whoop sections, and pull out sections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_Texas_Aggie_terms&action=edit§ion=12
Moreover, the term "dead elephant" I think could be shortened to the term "dead".  We can explain that "dead" aggies, are considered "people" again, they are no longer allowed to give privileges to students anymore. 
SP, JP, ZP, are all found in the corps dictionary reference, witch should make it easier.  
These are big changes, and we should wait until the end of the review. Oldag07 (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur. No one says we can't impove it further once the review is over. — BQZip01 — talk 05:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Privileges 

message: I changed these back or modified them for the following reasons:
#Kept A&M -> A&M
#:Excellent call!
#Modified changing the "land grant school" link to Aggie -> land grant school
#:I modified this to go to Aggie#Schools. The point is to lead the reader to the disambiguation page which contains these schools. Realize there are many land grant schools which do not call themselves Aggies. The point here is to link the similar terms.
#Reverted changing the traditions link of "Howdy" -> Howdy
#:This links directly to a more detailed explanation of the tradition of "howdy" at the University. Simply linking to howdy misses this informative link and links only to the popular term.
#Kept changing the Texas Longhorn -> Texas Longhorns
#:As awkward as it sounds, it is grammatically correct. Nice catch!
— BQZip01 — talk 05:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Right now, the link to Howdy is a disambiguation link, we can't have that. Dabomb87 (talk) 19:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Typo on my part. I meant to link it here instead. — BQZip01 — talk 20:26, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Recently Reverted

message: This is what i think it should be.
* Terms unique our used in unique ways related to Texas A&M.
* Major Bonfire terms
* Major Athletics related terms
* Terms not exclusively used by the Corps
* Major traditions.
* Terms related to major traditions
* Terms that could be found on a basic tour of the university.
Suggestions.  How do we convert that to prose?
Oldag07 (talk) 18:39, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inclusion Criteria 

message: On our featured list nomination, a suggestion has been made to rename our page from "List of Texas Aggie terms" to "List of Texas A&M Aggie terms".  I am neutral on the matter, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on the issue. Oldag07 (talk) 05:48, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I would argue against changing since historically we are "Fightin' Texas Aggies." I'm welcome to hear other opinions on the subject. — BQZip01 — talk 18:29, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I don't favor one more than the other - they are both the same to me. FWIW, "Texas Aggies" is one of our trademarks. BlueAg09 (Talk) 01:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

text: *I'm generally in favor of keeping "Texas Aggie", as it seems more commonly used. Since this is not just about a college athletic program, I do not think that the guidelines used at Texas A&M Aggies need to apply to this article. EagleAg04 (talk) 05:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *I agree that it should just be "Texas Aggie terms". Karanacs (talk) 14:24, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: *To play the role of devil's advocate, "List of Texas A&M Aggie terms" as opposed to "List of Texas Aggie terms" would give the page a stronger association to the university.  While in Texas, maybe even the United States, "Texas Aggies" are directly associated with the university, I would question the validity of that logic internationally. That being said, would the new set of redirects that i have created suffice? Oldag07 (talk) 17:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Proposal to rename page 

message: Thanks to the person behind the ip address: 75.111.129.111 
Copy and pasted additions of howdy and t camp that might be added after ftc nomination.  I am not sure if these terms are more appropriate merged into the fish camp section, or if they should separate sections. that being said, references for both these need citation templates.
;Howdy Camp: A student-run orientation program for new Aggies planning to attend Texas A&M University in the spring semester.howdycamp.tamu.edu
;T-Camp or Transfer Camp: A optional three-day retreat for students who transfer into Texas A&M in the fall. Refered to as "A Transfer's first Tradition."t-camp.tamu.edu
Oldag07 (talk) 02:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Concur with Oldag07. — BQZip01 — talk 03:14, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Howdy and T camp 

message: I found this really good thesis with many Aggie terms.  I am going to add this citation to this page, it would also be good to spread this out to other Aggie pages once we get the time.Oldag07 (talk) 19:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Good Scholarly Source

message: I hate wildbot.  While the links are linking to dabs, they are going to the correct place. Oldag07 (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wildbot 

message: Is this article really appropriate? No disrespect to Texas A&M alums out there, but it seems like every major college and university in the world could have an article like this? Do we want that in Wikipedia?
:Read the articles for deletion page.  Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of Texas Aggie terms This is also a featured list. If you are that adamant about deleting it, try to nominating it for deletion again. Oldag07 (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks for the link. Looks like it barely survived last time. –CWenger (^ • @) 08:44, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I really doubt that every major college could have a list like this. There's information in this list that is appropriate for WP that can't be found anywhere else on the site. NorthTechsan (talk) 12:58, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Er... such as?  Powers T 18:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

text: Stare decisis is in direct opposition to WP:Consensus can change.  Personally, looking at the sources, most of the items in the glossary are sourced only to non-independent sources, and I haven't yet found a non-independent source that attempts to explain why these terms are notable.  (Granted, there are so many sources that checking each one is a herculean task.)  Powers T 12:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  Read the afd. At a quick glance: Texas Monthly, Houston Chronicle, Western Folklore, San Diego Union-Tribune, Annals of the Association of American Geographers.  I wasn't saying that stare decisis is wikipedia policy. I am saying it makes sense in this situation. Oldag07 (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The comments in the AfD list mention independent sources, but they don't say which ones actually explain the notability of the terms in this glossary, versus just mentioning a few of the terms.  Powers T 02:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text:  The San Diego Tribute article is probably the best non-independent source. http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061224/news_1s24am.html Oldag07 (talk) 13:27, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: That's one of the ones I looked at.  It's pretty weak, considering it was written by an A&M professor and published in reaction to a then-upcoming bowl game in San Diego.  If that's the best one, it doesn't say much for the notability of the subject.  Powers T 15:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I'm questioning the notability and educational value of a glossary of university-specific slang.  Finding a few "human-interest"-type stories is not the same as finding the in-depth significant coverage that indicates that a subject is encyclopedic.  A good article on this topic would discuss not just the terms themselves, but the history of Aggie-related slang and its impact on the broader society as a whole.  None of the sources I've looked at has even come close.  Powers T 02:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: We can talk in circles  about this. Unless you really want to nominate this page for deletion, than I don't see the point of this discussion.  This page is a logical extension of the Traditions of Texas A&M University page. Traditions are what define the school, and tradition pages are hardly uncommon on this website.  As for independent sources, Houston and Dallas are not local papers.  This state is huge.  The Dallas Morning News and the Houston Chronicle are highly reputable and if one were to say there was a bias in these papers, they tend to cover our rival far more than our school.  Oldag07 (talk) 05:58, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Rest assured this is not meant as an attack on your school.  Powers T 13:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

text: I appreciate the time you put into it, and I don't think the effort would be necessarily wasted should the content be deleted -- there are other resources out there where this content would be like gold.  The newly-created http://aggies.wikia.com, for instance.  Whatever happens, though, I'm certainly not battling.  This is a discussion; someone else questioned the value of the page, and I agreed with that person, engaging you in discussion over it.  If you think that constitutes a battle, I suggest you might be a bit too close to the subject to judge the situation neutrally.  Powers T 18:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Deletion?