Talk:New York Red Bulls

message: I don't know how to edit the side box, but Clint Mathis is currently the all-time top scorer, having passed Savarese this season. See: http://www.metrofanatic.com/team/stats.jsp?ALL=1  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.211.3 (talk) 02:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: All-time top scorer

message: Ubiparipovic is Bosnian-born ("Ubiparipovic, a 5'9", 155-pound 23-year-old from Zenica, Bosnia and Herzegovina and the 2006 MAC Player of the Year": http://redbull.newyork.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20070112&content_id=81737&vkey=pr_rbn&fext=.jsp&team=t107) but has a green card ("would be a Youth International for only one season in MLS, except that he has a green card" http://www.matchnight.com/scouting/player.cfm?&RosterID=2533). Hence his flag should be Bosnian, not US. DR31 (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please see the MLS 2007 Draft page (number 33).  I believe we should use the country that it lists on the MLS profile. // Laughing Man 21:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: MLS draft page is not completely correct, it shows the player's place of residence. Ubiparipovic is NOT a US citizen. He is a Bosnian national. MLSnet is notoriously full of mistakes; they don't even list van den Bergh on the roster, for instance. I am sure when they get around to it, they will list Ubiparipovic as Bosnian (with a Green Card). DR31 (talk) 04:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have anything that says MLSnet is notoriously full of mistakes or do you have something that confirm your claims that what they list is incorrect?  For a better example than you gave, please refer to how the other fellow Red Bulls draft pick (number 19, Dane Richards) is properly listed. The best source I could find was 2007 MLS official draft results  that lists his, although I did find a secondary source that says something on the contrary of what you have recommended.  and please re-read the same source you have given: . // Laughing Man 04:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

text: My main concern is that in general, in football-related articles, the country listed in the squad templates normally would designate which national team they would be playing for.  In the case of Ubiparipovic, it seems he was born in Yugoslavia (now Bosnia and Herzegovina), he and his family fled to Serbia (Belgrade), and then moved to United States.  It seems to me because he has not yet been capped for a national team he has many choices -- that is, if he is good enough to end up on one of them.   I still think we should wait until MLS/RBNY update his profile before we speculate and perhaps you can expedite this through your RBNY contact?  Just as an example, there were other former international MLS footballers who decided to play for the US national team, such as Predrag Radosavljevic.  // Laughing Man 01:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, a large % of players don't play for a national team, so in this case, the Wikipedia convention is usually give the country of birth (and in cases like this, as for many other former Yugoslav or USSR-born players, the country that would have been their birthplace if the current world borders applied). Now, if Ubiparipolic gets US citizenship and drops his Bosnian one, then he should be classified as an American, definitely. Or if he plays for the US national team on some level: witness Laventure; if he gets capped for Haiti, his flag will flip. But Sinisa needs to become a citizen first. DR31 (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did you find a source that he has citizenship in Bosnia-Herzegovina instead of Serbia?  All the sources we have found have stated that his family fled from Bosnia-Herzegovina to Serbia during the wars.   // Laughing Man 04:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Evidence? No. And you're right, for all we know, he could have Serb citizenship. But the Wikipedia policy is to go with the place of birth in these questionable cases. If I get a chance to ask him about it later this year, I will. All I know is that he's definitely not American... Yet. DR31 (talk) 14:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, Wikipedia policy is to use reliable sources to back the articles -- in this case the using the official MLS profile for an article about an MLS team seems to be the best source available, and it lists United States as his country.  I really don't care at this point but I still recommend we leave with what MLS lists instead of speculating, especially since he was not born in Bosnia and Herzegovina, he was born in Yugoslavia. // Laughing Man 15:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Sinsa Ubiparipovic

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message: I think Reyna is captain and Angel and Kovalenko are vice captains (68.199.35.102 16:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Captain? 

message: can someone try to put our  new badge up  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ELREYDECOLOMBIA (talk • contribs) 21:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: New badge? Nothing on the website. Malpass93 (talk) 23:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  New BADGE 

message: The picture of the home/away shirts, while much prettier than the hodgepodge approximations we have usually on team's websites, they are eggregiously outdated and are in serious need of update.  Can someone with a little more technical skill work on this?  --  Grant.Alpaugh 15:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture of Shirts

message: Pics of most of the first team are now on flickr here. All of these are free under CC-BY-2.0 and can be uploaded to commons. Nanonic (talk) 14:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Player photos 

message: While the new away jerseys are a darker blue than in 2008, they are not black.  Can anyone chamge the kits in the article? KitHutch (talk) 16:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Away colors

message: Your club doesn't yet have a 2009 Season article, we are hoping to get each of the MLS teams up and going like these; Sounders, Fire, Dynamo, Wizards, and TFC. If you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me at anytime. Thanks Morry32 (talk) 01:15, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  2009 Season article 

message: :Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *Support or *Oppose, then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
*Support - Obviously I'm going to be supporting this move since I'm the requestor. In addition to WP:NC(CN), ever since the New York/New Jersey MetroStar article was merged into this article, the article stopped being about the corporate entity that owns the team and was about the team itself. As such, the name of the article should be New York Red Bulls, not Red Bull New York.  Aside from the 8:1 google hit ratio for NYRB, it is perhaps most telling that almost every link to this article is either to New York Red Bulls or New York Red Bulls. It doesn't make sense to me that we would be making people type out additional characters just because someone made the decision to name it after the corporate entity that was created to buy the team rather than the team itself. --Bobblehead (rants) 17:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: That's why we're having the move discussion, so if you have any objections, include them in the discussion section. It's also not the same thing as referring to Arsenal F.C. as Arsenal or Manchester United F.C. as ManU. This is like naming the article for Arsenal Arsenal Holdings plc. --Bobblehead (rants) 19:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Survey

message: The supporters section is a bit fragmented and could use a rewrite.  Since this was an edit that was larger than I would normally make I thought some discussion was appropriate.  I was considering the following "A variety of supporters clubs and groups have grown around the team since it's inaugural year.  The first of these was formed in 1995, prior to the inception of the team itself, as the Empire Supporters Club.  In February 2005 a second supporters' group took the name MetroNation.  After the purchase and rebranding of the team by Red Bull in 2006, MetroNation renamed itself the Raging Bull Nation as a sign of its' continued support for the club.  The same year saw the creation of the New Jersey based Garden State Supporters.  The groundbreaking for Red Bull Arena in 2007 saw the birth the Kearny Army, a supporters group from the surrounding neighborhoods.  Among remaining lesser known supporters clubs are the Cobra Kai Metro Firm, Sparta Metro Firm and The First Row Idiots.
Red Bull New York has designated some sections of Red Bull Arena as supporter specific.  These included sections 101 and 102 for the Empire Supporters Club and section 133 for the Garden State Supporters.
In the winter of 2001 the fan and media website MetroFanatic.com was established and continues to host an active fan community."
Appropriate current links/references listed on the page would be maintained.  Anyone care to offer input?
Adiamas (talk) 19:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Text looks good to me. Go for it.oknazevad (talk) 21:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Supporters Groups

message: there definitely should be something about the signing of henry  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoffmanbeswag (talk • contribs) 20:13, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: If, and only if, there's some actual news in a reliable source and not just rumors on a blog or message board. Wikipedia is nota rumor mill.oknazevad (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

text: Then we add the information about the signing on Wednesday, July 14th. Not before. --JonBroxton (talk) 17:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  thierry henry 

message: New Article: 2010 Barclays New York Challenge Antoinefcb (talk) 14:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rate 

message: Is there any reason to list them as the conference champions in 2008 when we already have them liste as the MLS Cup runners up. This is especially true given that some seasons such as 2001 did not have the idea of conference champions (post season). 
If anything it might make sense to mention that they were regular season champions of a division, but even then that's not really official. There's no real parallel in other soccer leagues. We don't list Group A/Group B/Group C champions on the Mexican team pages.
I'd like to hear your thoughts, I think there are four options:
a) list regular season division champions (not really official) 
b) list post-season division champions (repeats info covered under runners up, and does not exist for each year)
c) list both (status quo)
d) list neither (most logical option, at least for me)
FYI, I've put links on team talk pages to centralize the discussion here.
Nlsanand (talk) 03:45, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the most logical is to keep things the way that are.  That's what other North American sports leagues do, and MLS is a North American sports league as well as a soccer league.  I am not sure why you are saying the regular season division champions are not official.  Those championship are listed as such on team/league websites.  When it comes to post season division championships, I do have a Red Bulls' scarf that lists them as "Western Conference Champions." KitHutch (talk) 01:01, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  First of all, it's only a couple of the pages (Columbus/RBNY) that list both of them. Several pages like Colorado/Dallas list neither (as for the reasons above). We don't want to start listing every non-accomplishment. I'm pretty sure the league only recognizes the division champ as the post season champ (hence your scarf). I've never seen it officially recognized on a league site (the teams may mention it, but that's more an exercise in self-aggrandizement) At least with the post season champ, there's some type of trophy. And even then, the post season champ is already reflected by the fact that they are shown as MLS runners up. I would also note that if we were really to consider these divisional championships as valid, then we should list the runners up. Then we would end up with twelve "honours awarded" each year to a possible eight different teams: (MLS Cup, Supporters Shield, East reg, East playoffs, West reg, West playoffs, with each having a winner and a runner up). For instance in 2010 that would be: (Colorado, L.A., New York, Colorado, L.A., and FCD) and runners up (FCD, RSL, Columbus, San Jose, RSL, and LA) that's seven this year. This is turning into an exercise in awarding unnecessary awards. We need to make a value judgment on this at some point. Also, what about 2001, there simply wasn't a western conference playoff champ that year, it can't be awarded because they used a 1-8 playoff system. There's gotta be some form of rationalization (as well as standardization as teams seem to be at different extremes).   Nlsanand (talk) 03:18, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  conference champions 

message: Just to expound on my edit summaries, it is a quirk of American English that sports teams seem exempt from the usual convention of groups getting a singular verb, especially if the team has a nickname that is a plural noun (as most teams do). The exception is when the city/state/school/other geographic designator is used as short hand for the team name. 
So, to use an example from the NBA, the Los Angeles Lakers are an NBA team. The Lakers play their home games at the Staple Center. Los Angeles is the defending NBA champion. 
This applies to MLS teams as well, as seen in this 2010 MLS playoff preview from The New York Times here.oknazevad (talk) 02:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Use of plural verbs 

message: Having a similar Red Bulls vs Galaxy photo in two sections is redundant. Can we get something that really symbolizes the takeover? Like some executive or player holding up the new scarf or something.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.118.221.37 (talk) 05:04, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They were more than just similar. They were from same game in 2007. So I took one out. But the one I left in actually belongs in the Red Bull takeover section based on date. Getting a picture of an executive holding up a new scarf, as you suggest, would likely be non-free content. Non-free content that doesn't really add anything should be avoided. I don't know how much a picture like that would actually add. It'd just be a guy holding up a scarf/jersey/whatever. oknazevad (talk) 12:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  New "Red Bull Takeover" photo? 

message: Whoever is running this article treats it like a personal fiefdom, making up all sorts of fake rules and immediately undoing any edit. Don't forget, Wikipedia is a PUBLIC forum; it's not meant to be run like a medieval polity. Case in point is my attempt to add Teemu Tainio to the list of players training with the team in preseason. Whoever holds the keys to this article has stated--without any backing or authority--that players not on the current roster are not allowed to be listed on the site. Yet the wiki pages of some other MLS teams include a separate section dedicated to trialists and and unsigned players. Here's an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sporting_Kansas_City. So my request is that A) people stop micromanaging this article and making up fake rules, and B) that we, in fact, add a sub-section for the numerous players who are trialing with the team. --pavlovscat567  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.48.187 (talk) 07:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Tyrant who runs this page 

message: Apparently "it has been decided" not to list "Metro(s)" as a nickname for this team. I can't find a reason for this decision anywhere, and even if I could, it would be wrong. A large proportion of the fanbase still refers to the team as "Metro" as can be heard in many of the chants at Red Bull Arena. Do you want a citation or something?
Iggi (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Typically that field of the infobox only includes one nickname, and additions of "Metro(s)" have been reverted previously by multiple editors (as seen in the page history). That said, I don't think it's necessarily a bad addition, but I wanted to see what other editors thought first. The continued applicability of the nickname to the team outside a small group of die-hards is a question that I have, but it's not a deal breaker to me. oknazevad (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually, I think it's perfectly fine for a club to have more than one nickname. It's not that uncommon anywhere in world football, and NYRB fans clearly still use Metro. JonBroxton (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Nickname: Metro(s) 

message: There was a discussion about the new roster format and we have had a trial at both the Timbers and Whitecaps articles and recently Cascadia Cup rival Sounders have converted. The idea is to move all club articles on Wikipedia to the new format as is discussed in the original discussion and more recently at the football project.
My suggestion is to complete the MLS team articles first, so if you could respond at this discussion, that would be ideal. In short, the new layout is slightly taller and less wide, but it correctly impliments WP:MOSFLAG and is better for visually impared users of Wikipedia and others who use readers. I plan to implement the change to this article by the weekend of January 20-22, however other editors could make the change sooner. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:53, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Change in roster format 

message: The first sentence says red bulls are. It should be changed to red bulls is. Last I checked they were collectively one team. It's like saying the united states are a country. Will I be burned at the stake for changing this?Aryattack (talk) 03:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I won't burn you at the stake, but I would revert it on sight. The use of plural verbs for sports teams is correct in American English. See a few sections up, where I explained this, gave an example and cited The New York Times as the common practice. oknazevad (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  IS and not ARE 

message: I'm too tired right now to go search for the Commons images needed, but the stripes on their third kit should be red, not white, as can be seen here. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 05:16, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I added a request to assist on the talk page of someone who works a lot with the uniform templates. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And just like that it's been fixed. Gracias. --Kevin W./Talk•CFB uniforms/Talk 21:48, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Third kit 

message: http://www.espnfc.com/news/story?id=361322&cc=5901
This ESPN article says that the team dropped the New York/New Jersey part of its name before the beginning of the 2003 season, while we have it marked at 1998 here.  Any info on this or maybe sourcing for 1998? Jackson Scofield (talk) 22:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: This may also be worth a look... http://books.google.com/books?id=IEtLjtqaCTgC&pg=PA490&lpg=PA490&dq=%221998+metrostars%22+%221997+new+york/new+jersey+metrostars%22&source=bl&ots=tZx3UcqKDg&sig=Tv1sc_jRZf8hSuyzD1jPhK5Y7VM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e2dpU5nTBNK1yASox4IY&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=snippet&q=metrostars&f=false (has New York/New Jersey MetroStars 1996-1997, MetroStars 1998-2000, New York/New Jersey MetroStars again 2001-2002, MetroStars 2003-2005, New York Red Bulls 2006-Present) Jackson Scofield (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Alternatively, looking through MLS website on the web archive, I do not see any references to the team being the "New York/New Jersey MetroStars" even in 1997.  I do, however, see "New York - New Jersey" shown as an image below the MetroStars logo on team pages until a certain year, but no references to the team actually being called that.  MLS website history section does show the 1996-1997 teams with the "New York/New Jersey" name though, so I suppose that that is as accurate as it will get for now. Jackson Scofield (talk) 23:40, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Team Name 1998-2002 

message: Are franchises things or people? It may be a difference between American and British English. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Franchises, like all companies, are things. See here for a good short primer. That said, as noted in the above link, there's no possessive form of "that", so "whose" would be right in possessive cases. (The major difference  between British and American English here is the use of singular vs plural verbs, which is different for sports teams in American English than for other organizations; I blame the use of plural nicknames.) oknazevad (talk) 18:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  franchise that or franchise who 

message: Though this is notable it seems that this section violates :Wikipedia:Recentism. Taking into the account of how many managers this club has had in their history and probably the unfamiliarity of the fan base with other major sports (see :Billy Martin five times as manager of the :New York Yankees) that this is more common then perceived. --SimpleStitch (talk) 15:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Since recentism is an essay, there's nothing to violate. If the previous coaches for the club had similar organized revolts from the fan-base, then by all means this is inappropriate, but if this is unique, then it makes sense to record it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, sort of, because the groups argument is more like we miss Mike Petke. I actually listened to the Red Bull Rant show about their movement and it was weak.--SimpleStitch (talk) 17:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Is this an appeal to :WP:UNDUE or an agreement that it should stay? Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Red Bull Out Section 

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thread_title:  Deleting Active Teams 

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