Talk:Varieties of French

message: Quite frankly, I don't believe most of these French dialects ought to have their own pages.  Notability is an issue, but another factor is that several have been a mere sentence (that is, not even a true stub) for over a year.  Here's how I break it down:
Acadian French, Belgian French, Cajun French, Jersey Legal French, Quebec French, and Swiss French are unquestionably developed and notable to remain their own pages.
Aostan French, Indian French, Maghreb French, Meridional French, and Vietnamese French are iffy.  Indian French is certainly notable but its page hasn't been around for very long and I think it needs time to be developed.  I don't know enough the other dialects to really determine their potential but I can go either way.
Southeast Asian French, Cambodian French, Lao French, French in the Gaspé, and Newfoundland French do not deserve their own articles.  Cambodian, Lao, and Southeast Asian cover almost identical phenomena and are a sentence each.  Gaspé can merge into Quebec French easily and Newfoundland can probably go into Canadian French or a similar article.
African French should just be deleted.  Its information is duplicated in the Francophonie aricle and doesn't actually discuss dialects.
I propose that this page, rather than be a links hub, be the place for the information on some of these non-notable/unexpanded dialects.  This way, no information is lost.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 02:09, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Old discussion

message: LISTS ON WIKIPEDIA HAVE A TENDENCY TO DEGRADE INTO A MASS OF INDISCRIMINATE INFORMATION.  Therefore I tried to make some strict boundaries here before the horse gets out of the barn.  Let's see if it works. User:HouseOfScandal
===Definition===
As the distinction between "dialect" and "language" is a social construction and open to discussion, some of the varieties of speech listed would be considered dialects of French by some, and relatives of French by others.  Further confusing the matter is that some dialects of French exist on a dialect continuum and have been discerned from one another by many factors besides the characteristics of the speech itself.
:More ambiguous or controversial lects should be included, but obvious cases of sister languages 
====Oïl languages====
French is one of the Oïl languages, a subset of the Romance languages family.  For the purposes of this article, all extant Oïl languages may be included, including those Oïl language endemic to mainland Normandy and the Channel Islands.  As languages such as Sercquiais and Dgèrnésiais are better know to English-speakers as "Sark French" and "Guernsey French" respectively, their inclusion in this index is helpful.
:In much the same way, no doubt, as the language Français is better known to English-speakers as "French"? --Paularblaster (talk) 02:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we start mixing up Oïl languages with dialects of French everyone will be horribly confused. There may be a case for including a comment that some people consider non-French Oïl languages to be dialects of French, but including some in the list and not others lacks rigour. Man vyi 08:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More ambiguous or controversial dialects should be included, but obvious cases of sister languages should not.  I don't think they should be considered "varieties," there are a number of differences between a dialect and a variety and what we are talking about is dialects.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Man vyi on this one.  If the Insular Norman dialects are to be included at all, it should be in a separate section with a note about the naming convention and why it is misleading.  The Jade Knight 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Comment moved from article

message: As the distinction between "dialect" and "language" is a social construction and open to discussion, some of the varieties of speech listed would be considered dialects of French by some, and relatives of French by others.  Further confusing the matter is that some dialects of French exist on a dialect continuum and have been discerned from one another by many factors besides the characteristics of the speech itself.
:More ambiguous or controversial lects should be included, but obvious cases of sister languages 
====Oïl languages====
French is one of the Oïl languages, a subset of the Romance languages family.  For the purposes of this article, all extant Oïl languages may be included, including those Oïl language endemic to mainland Normandy and the Channel Islands.  As languages such as Sercquiais and Dgèrnésiais are better know to English-speakers as "Sark French" and "Guernsey French" respectively, their inclusion in this index is helpful.
:In much the same way, no doubt, as the language Français is better known to English-speakers as "French"? --Paularblaster (talk) 02:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: If we start mixing up Oïl languages with dialects of French everyone will be horribly confused. There may be a case for including a comment that some people consider non-French Oïl languages to be dialects of French, but including some in the list and not others lacks rigour. Man vyi 08:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More ambiguous or controversial dialects should be included, but obvious cases of sister languages should not.  I don't think they should be considered "varieties," there are a number of differences between a dialect and a variety and what we are talking about is dialects.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Man vyi on this one.  If the Insular Norman dialects are to be included at all, it should be in a separate section with a note about the naming convention and why it is misleading.  The Jade Knight 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Definition

message: French is one of the Oïl languages, a subset of the Romance languages family.  For the purposes of this article, all extant Oïl languages may be included, including those Oïl language endemic to mainland Normandy and the Channel Islands.  As languages such as Sercquiais and Dgèrnésiais are better know to English-speakers as "Sark French" and "Guernsey French" respectively, their inclusion in this index is helpful.
:In much the same way, no doubt, as the language Français is better known to English-speakers as "French"? --Paularblaster (talk) 02:00, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Oïl languages

message: In some cases, ways of speaking and writing French included on this list might be so similar to those advocated by the Académie française that they might better be regarded as varieties than dialects.
For inclusion on this list such varieties should be endemic to a geographical area and have some phonological, grammatical, spelling and/or vocabulary distinctions that separate it from the French standard language.
Sociolects and diatypes (of which Joual is an example) should be excluded from this list.
User:HouseOfScandal
:If we start mixing up Oïl languages with dialects of French everyone will be horribly confused. There may be a case for including a comment that some people consider non-French Oïl languages to be dialects of French, but including some in the list and not others lacks rigour. Man vyi 08:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: More ambiguous or controversial dialects should be included, but obvious cases of sister languages should not.  I don't think they should be considered "varieties," there are a number of differences between a dialect and a variety and what we are talking about is dialects.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I'm with Man vyi on this one.  If the Insular Norman dialects are to be included at all, it should be in a separate section with a note about the naming convention and why it is misleading.  The Jade Knight 09:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Varieties

message: I see ethnologue.com classifies Lorraine, Franco-Ontarien, Acadian, Franche-Comtois, Jerriais, Dgernesiais, as dialects of French language. Is it doing the right thing? -✉ Hello World! 17:50, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: No. Just this week the French constitution has been amended to recognise the regional languages of France as part of the national heritage. There's also an ongoing ISO application re Norman. The bizarre thing is that Ethnologue currently classifies Picard and Walloon separately but not the other Oïl languages. Man vyi (talk) 18:06, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: When was the ISO application started, and where can I see it?  (I once started an application for Jèrriais, but it was ultimately rejected, partly because I failed to establish it as an independent language from the rest of Norman).  The Jade Knight (talk) 04:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  French dialect? 

message: Is there a reason the European varieties section lacks an entry for Parisian French? —Wiki Wikardo 00:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Metropolitan French 

message: Um, hi, has anyone else noticed the infinitessimal number of references in the article? I added several  ""  tags in areas without ANY sources, and added a notice at the top of the article, but that's only a start... Could someone else please thoroughly fix up this article by adding more good, verifiable content?!?? 
Thanks.
2600:6C44:237F:ACCB:47E:9066:6B64:6A2E (talk) 19:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Citation needed 

message: "The Francophones of France generally use Metropolitan French (spoken in Paris and considered standard)"
Sorry but this is nonsense - even within Paris there is more than one accent, there is a growly accent which is their equivalent of Cockney, for instance.
A fuller description of different varieties of street French in HLMs across the country is needed.  
I know the French like to hide away their prole culture from the rest of the world, but it's just silly to censor this information from Wikipedia.Romomusicfan (talk) 10:27, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  French accents - regional and social class.