Talk:Iori Yagami/Archive 2

message: You're edit warring over the talk page itself. This is getting absurd, so I'm invoking page protection and declaring a timeout. User:MegamanZero, User:TheOrgy, please be more civil and reasonable in the future. — Phil Welch Katefan's ridiculous poll 21:18, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I've unprotected this.  We don't get to solve the problem by not talking. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Talk page protected 

message: Instead of a poll, which obviously in this kind of case only produces division, I'd like MegamanZero and TheOrgy each to write a 100-word defence of their favored versions.
Two rules:
* You must not mention the other person or his version; concentrate on the good points of your own favored version.
* You *must* stick to the 100 word limit.  I won't tolerate long, unreadable tracts.  Write short sentences that emphasize the good points.
I'd like to see if we can get some agreement on what is good about each version. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 22:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Instead of a poll 

message: I believe the format which I have choosen is better suited for the article because of its clear thesis to stick to policy and established consensus. While perhaps over analytical (and perhaps a bit rude) I explained my reasons for the various images not needed in the article and that only a few were sufficent. If someone reproduces the opinion of TheOrgy, in a manner that suggests that this is a concensus rather than POV , I think it's appropriate to observe that, While TheOrgy is a lovely chap, his ventures into the area of policy haven't been very successful, and his observations are rarely accurate. For more detail, see my line-by-line response to one of Orgy's extended personal attacks on me, on my talk page. It was attempted to be removed, but its here, and I reproduce it all below:
==== KOF Suggestion ====
I have a suggestion, instead of nitpicking Mai & Leona (as you have been) might I suggest you take a peak at Iori and Kyo.  I've given up trying to work on those (save the KOF XI pic of Kyo).-Dstorres
* Those articles are overly stuffed with needless pictures and gb consumption as well.-MegamanZero 20:05 6,December 2005 (UTC)
You noticed that too did you? -Dstorres
* Certainly. Especially the bathroom picture and "Iori's tears" pictures. Yeah, I'll open up a notice on thier respective talk pages concerning those new additons, and please feel free to join on the respective debate. Hopefully we can evecerate down on such Overzealousness. :)-MegamanZero 22:10 6,Decamber 2005 (UTC)}
I am the author of the pictures, and I demand that YOU stop interfering with my work. You DO NOT have any right to ERASE ANYTHING, you're free to discuss anything you want but, seeing as how you're a megaman fan (capcom game), it is pretty evident that you're not qualified to discuss about KOF stuff (which is SNK's).-The Ogry
* You are not in a position to make any demands. It's obvious that you are PoV editing (again) according to your SNK non-concensus picture(s) PoV. We will make an offer to stop editing any articles when you prove your concensus and explain how any of these various pictures contribute anything meaningful to the article. I'll continue editing these articles because I am interested in them, and I suggest that you stop your harrasment and false comments about me being banned from editing them. Furthurmore, your thesis of statement of making the rididculous assumption I know nothing of SNK is pure, outright fallacy. Just because I love Megaman, by no means does that fact prove my ignorance. But in fact, the articles explanatory functons and thesis are fine as it is, the only problem is the fact you are uploading useless, disruptive pictures in the article.-MegamanZero 8:11 7,December 2005 (UTC)
* Demanding, isn't he?  I noticed he didn't mention that he had no problems erasing the images I originaly placed for Kyo & Iori.  Dstorres
It's easy to explain that: read the text. The pictures that you are reffering to are established in the Story part of the profile. They accompany the story narration that exists year per year with sync that not only describes vital parts of the story, but at the same time, they show different aspects of the personality of the character and their evolution throughout the years. Thus, they are perfectly needed and appropriate.-The Ogry
* You falsely make it seem as if these pictures depict (or rather add any) informativeness to the article; Rather, it seesms, the pictures add "flashiness" to the page and little more. Lest you continue to be in any doubt about this serious failing of yours, I'll elaborate below: 
===== There you go again =====
====== Iori ======
*Image:Kyoandiori.jpg and Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg
- Honestly, these pictures do a faihful job of depicting the burning rivalry between Kyo and Iori, however, in terms of content, they're both fundamently the same thing. One should suffice for the article (personally, I like Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg).
* Image:Tears.jpg
- This is where it gets surreal. That image simply depicts Iori crying or bleeding for some apparent reason; I can only speculate to the reason of its upload. Furthurmore, There's no mention of the pic's sembelence anywhere in the article.
* Image:Iori55.jpg
- Picture of Iori in a snazzy oufit- This is very hard to believe. Are you claiming that this contributes to the article..?
* Image:Iorisanger.jpg
- This picture; I can understand its exsistance, but the fact that the previous Blood riot Iori pic did a much better job of depicting Iori's rage (and transformation), then you have even less grounds to claim this image is making a valid contribution.
* Image:IorivsLeona.jpg
- Descriptive pic, in that it decribes the idea of Iori and another finding out about their heritage, but the surrounding pharagraphs detail nothing about it. Why not use it in Leona's article instead..?
* Other: Finally, unlike what you said in your statement, almost all these images have no descriptions intitled on them- meaning they look more like a fancy gallery as a result. Also, the point of splitting up Iori's qoutes in to different subsections is uncalled for-they're not that relevant.
====== Kyo ======
Kyo's article is much less saturated- it depicts his different styles over the game series, which is admirable, as well as neat and labled with clear comments on the images. The only image that has no concensus for staying is the ridiculous image of Kyo taking a bath. Finally, this article also suffers from overkill in the quote area as well. And both articles could use a link for "related characters", allowing easy reference. -MegamanZero 18:48 7,December 2005 (UTC)
Finally, concerning the quotes section, I have only used a small amount to explain the thesis regarding an analysis of iori's personality. Note that, while I believe this version is more suitable, it is still quite far form 'superior' or 'perfect'. it needs more subsections in the history section, it needs proper source information, and it needs an overall case of wikification. Note that this thesis can also be said for various other SNK character articles as well. -MegamanZero 07:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  MegamanZero's 100-word defence 

message: I have a suggestion, instead of nitpicking Mai & Leona (as you have been) might I suggest you take a peak at Iori and Kyo.  I've given up trying to work on those (save the KOF XI pic of Kyo).-Dstorres
* Those articles are overly stuffed with needless pictures and gb consumption as well.-MegamanZero 20:05 6,December 2005 (UTC)
You noticed that too did you? -Dstorres
* Certainly. Especially the bathroom picture and "Iori's tears" pictures. Yeah, I'll open up a notice on thier respective talk pages concerning those new additons, and please feel free to join on the respective debate. Hopefully we can evecerate down on such Overzealousness. :)-MegamanZero 22:10 6,Decamber 2005 (UTC)}
I am the author of the pictures, and I demand that YOU stop interfering with my work. You DO NOT have any right to ERASE ANYTHING, you're free to discuss anything you want but, seeing as how you're a megaman fan (capcom game), it is pretty evident that you're not qualified to discuss about KOF stuff (which is SNK's).-The Ogry
* You are not in a position to make any demands. It's obvious that you are PoV editing (again) according to your SNK non-concensus picture(s) PoV. We will make an offer to stop editing any articles when you prove your concensus and explain how any of these various pictures contribute anything meaningful to the article. I'll continue editing these articles because I am interested in them, and I suggest that you stop your harrasment and false comments about me being banned from editing them. Furthurmore, your thesis of statement of making the rididculous assumption I know nothing of SNK is pure, outright fallacy. Just because I love Megaman, by no means does that fact prove my ignorance. But in fact, the articles explanatory functons and thesis are fine as it is, the only problem is the fact you are uploading useless, disruptive pictures in the article.-MegamanZero 8:11 7,December 2005 (UTC)
* Demanding, isn't he?  I noticed he didn't mention that he had no problems erasing the images I originaly placed for Kyo & Iori.  Dstorres
It's easy to explain that: read the text. The pictures that you are reffering to are established in the Story part of the profile. They accompany the story narration that exists year per year with sync that not only describes vital parts of the story, but at the same time, they show different aspects of the personality of the character and their evolution throughout the years. Thus, they are perfectly needed and appropriate.-The Ogry
* You falsely make it seem as if these pictures depict (or rather add any) informativeness to the article; Rather, it seesms, the pictures add "flashiness" to the page and little more. Lest you continue to be in any doubt about this serious failing of yours, I'll elaborate below: 
===== There you go again =====
====== Iori ======
*Image:Kyoandiori.jpg and Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg
- Honestly, these pictures do a faihful job of depicting the burning rivalry between Kyo and Iori, however, in terms of content, they're both fundamently the same thing. One should suffice for the article (personally, I like Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg).
* Image:Tears.jpg
- This is where it gets surreal. That image simply depicts Iori crying or bleeding for some apparent reason; I can only speculate to the reason of its upload. Furthurmore, There's no mention of the pic's sembelence anywhere in the article.
* Image:Iori55.jpg
- Picture of Iori in a snazzy oufit- This is very hard to believe. Are you claiming that this contributes to the article..?
* Image:Iorisanger.jpg
- This picture; I can understand its exsistance, but the fact that the previous Blood riot Iori pic did a much better job of depicting Iori's rage (and transformation), then you have even less grounds to claim this image is making a valid contribution.
* Image:IorivsLeona.jpg
- Descriptive pic, in that it decribes the idea of Iori and another finding out about their heritage, but the surrounding pharagraphs detail nothing about it. Why not use it in Leona's article instead..?
* Other: Finally, unlike what you said in your statement, almost all these images have no descriptions intitled on them- meaning they look more like a fancy gallery as a result. Also, the point of splitting up Iori's qoutes in to different subsections is uncalled for-they're not that relevant.
====== Kyo ======
Kyo's article is much less saturated- it depicts his different styles over the game series, which is admirable, as well as neat and labled with clear comments on the images. The only image that has no concensus for staying is the ridiculous image of Kyo taking a bath. Finally, this article also suffers from overkill in the quote area as well. And both articles could use a link for "related characters", allowing easy reference. -MegamanZero 18:48 7,December 2005 (UTC)</div>
Finally, concerning the quotes section, I have only used a small amount to explain the thesis regarding an analysis of iori's personality. Note that, while I believe this version is more suitable, it is still quite far form 'superior' or 'perfect'. it needs more subsections in the history section, it needs proper source information, and it needs an overall case of wikification. Note that this thesis can also be said for various other SNK character articles as well. -MegamanZero 07:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  KOF Suggestion 

message: ====== Iori ======
*Image:Kyoandiori.jpg and Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg
- Honestly, these pictures do a faihful job of depicting the burning rivalry between Kyo and Iori, however, in terms of content, they're both fundamently the same thing. One should suffice for the article (personally, I like Image:Foreverrivalry.jpg).
* Image:Tears.jpg
- This is where it gets surreal. That image simply depicts Iori crying or bleeding for some apparent reason; I can only speculate to the reason of its upload. Furthurmore, There's no mention of the pic's sembelence anywhere in the article.
* Image:Iori55.jpg
- Picture of Iori in a snazzy oufit- This is very hard to believe. Are you claiming that this contributes to the article..?
* Image:Iorisanger.jpg
- This picture; I can understand its exsistance, but the fact that the previous Blood riot Iori pic did a much better job of depicting Iori's rage (and transformation), then you have even less grounds to claim this image is making a valid contribution.
* Image:IorivsLeona.jpg
- Descriptive pic, in that it decribes the idea of Iori and another finding out about their heritage, but the surrounding pharagraphs detail nothing about it. Why not use it in Leona's article instead..?
* Other: Finally, unlike what you said in your statement, almost all these images have no descriptions intitled on them- meaning they look more like a fancy gallery as a result. Also, the point of splitting up Iori's qoutes in to different subsections is uncalled for-they're not that relevant.
====== Kyo ======
Kyo's article is much less saturated- it depicts his different styles over the game series, which is admirable, as well as neat and labled with clear comments on the images. The only image that has no concensus for staying is the ridiculous image of Kyo taking a bath. Finally, this article also suffers from overkill in the quote area as well. And both articles could use a link for "related characters", allowing easy reference. -MegamanZero 18:48 7,December 2005 (UTC)</div>
Finally, concerning the quotes section, I have only used a small amount to explain the thesis regarding an analysis of iori's personality. Note that, while I believe this version is more suitable, it is still quite far form 'superior' or 'perfect'. it needs more subsections in the history section, it needs proper source information, and it needs an overall case of wikification. Note that this thesis can also be said for various other SNK character articles as well. -MegamanZero 07:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  There you go again 

message: Kyo's article is much less saturated- it depicts his different styles over the game series, which is admirable, as well as neat and labled with clear comments on the images. The only image that has no concensus for staying is the ridiculous image of Kyo taking a bath. Finally, this article also suffers from overkill in the quote area as well. And both articles could use a link for "related characters", allowing easy reference. -MegamanZero 18:48 7,December 2005 (UTC)</div>
Finally, concerning the quotes section, I have only used a small amount to explain the thesis regarding an analysis of iori's personality. Note that, while I believe this version is more suitable, it is still quite far form 'superior' or 'perfect'. it needs more subsections in the history section, it needs proper source information, and it needs an overall case of wikification. Note that this thesis can also be said for various other SNK character articles as well. -MegamanZero 07:20, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kyo 

message: Ok I'll comment and I'll be blunt.
Excessive number of quotes belong to wikiquote while one or two on aticle is fine.
Article is currently a "rant" of text very hard to follow, please introduce sections to break the personality section
Your arguments about the images sound reasonable however since I know nothinig about the topic I cannot tell. :P 
--Cool CatTalk|@ 17:26, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: [[User:Cool Cat]]'s outside view