Talk:The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (novel)/Archive 4

message: I found it funny that the whole article, which was based on the light novel of the same name, wasn't even mentiond except for a small reference to the Suzumiya Haruhi series, so I included a section. Now all we need is a section for the manga and we're set.--Juhachi 19:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But doesn't that make the whole Suzumiya Haruhi article redundant? _dk 01:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not at all since the Light novel section in this article is only there for the info on the first novel, not all the others. This article is called The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya afterall, so anything with that name should at least be mentioned here, right? Unless you only want to make this article about the anime, then that I would understand and we'd have to add (anime) at the end of the article title to denote the article scope.--Juhachi 01:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Light novel section 

message: I just created and added the template Haruhi Suzumiya at the end of the article, and it's wide open for editing to whoever thinks they can improve it.--Juhachi 01:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Haruhi Suzumiya 

message: In episode 7 Kyon thinks for him self that Haruhi isn't going to talk about what happen at Tanabata three years ago (at ~5:27). Does this have any thing to do with time quakes, data explosions etc? If it does, it should be mentioned in the article. Victor b04 01:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's probably just a reference to the data explosion 3 years ago that must have occured during Tanabata.--Juhachi 02:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There is still no direct mention that the thing happen at Tanabata 3 years ago is related to timequake. It is still a speculation between fans. (As far as I know, according to the first 6 novels I have) --Leeyc0 03:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Three years ago... 

message: According to the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(Japan-related_articles)#Names_in_titles, the name of a title should be kept in Eastern order (i.e. last name first). Therefore the title should be The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi instead. The novel article Suzumiya Haruhi (series) is already in Eastern style, so I would like to take this action to keep consistent. I would like to ask for any opinion before I take any action.
:See this screenshot , from the second episode, unsubbed. _dk 22:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I didn't notice there is an "official" translation available in episode 2 even I watched this episode. Just forget the guideline then. (By the way, the same title appeared in episode 14.) --Leeyc0 10:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: While the title includes the name of a character, it is not a "person" but the title of the anime, so it really doesn't fall under that guideline. I don't feel strongly either way, but I thought I would point that out. -- Ned Scott 06:17, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move the title to The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi 

message: As the amine series has ended, it may be a high time to review the article. The article may already contains too many non-important matters (especially for the Character section - Haruhi). Also, we may need to copyedit some sections to Suzumiya Haruhi (series), since the contents in this article applies to the novel too. (In fact I feel better to merge  the two articles since many things overlap, but the consensus in previous discussion is to keep seperate. I respect this consensus.) --Leeyc0 07:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Here is my proposed edit. (Any discussion should be put here, don't put comments in my sandbox discussion page. Thanks.) --Leeyc0 08:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I think it's premature to start a 'review and rewrite' process on the article. This is really only suitable on articles that require heavy editing or correction. You should edit and correct the page as normal. --Barberio 12:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Time to review the article? 

message: The Media sectino feels... out of place, to me.  Methinks the 'Media' section (excluding the subsections for the "Anime" section, but including the anime subsection itself) should be moved to the Novel series article. Mekryd 16:51, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Media 

message: Okay, now.  What is the proper term for the giant blue rampaging resident of closed space?
I'm pretty sure the Japanese term was 神人, shinjin, meaning 'Godlike Man'.
The fansubs say <Celestials> and the article blandly calls them "Blue Giants."
Roanhammer 08:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The anime says shinjin also, at least when Itsuki refers to them in episode 13, I believe it was.  But yes, they do say Shinjin.  --Wirbelwind 09:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, shin could be blue or god, I'm not sure which term they used in the manga/novel, as I do not have either.  Can anyone with the manga/novel confirm the actual name of the giants?  --Wirbelwind 09:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But just look at the kanji - 神人. It literally can be translated as "God person", so calling them "Blue Giants" I think is a mistranslation. 十八 15:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, when I did the article, I had it as "Avatars", from the translation project on the novel.  If you look at the meanings for avatar, it fits, ish.  Someone went in and replaced it all with "Blue Giant", though. Mekryd 16:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: If you ask me, it seems like "titan" would be a good translation of 神人. --SeizureDog 07:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: A few days later* Soooo... what are we going to do about the one remaining large flaw in the article? Mekryd 15:42, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: There are three options to translate it, one is word-by-word tranation (which would be "Godlike Man"; the second one is to choose a existing English word which most fits it (Avatar or Titan); the last one is to keep it as a proper noun, that is, just call it Shinjin. I would propose to keep its original meaning, i.e. word-by-word tranalation, since there may be some subtle points behind the word 神人 which is not revealed. Treat is as a proper noun is another good option, and we can tell the readers the meaning of the Japanese 神人 in the section. --Leeyc0 16:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it would do as well to just call then Shinjin, as long as the term is explained when it is first used. Shiroi Hane 15:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

text: I agree with calling them "shinjin" (remember to keep foreign words in italics). It follows the norm set by using "shinigami" instead of "death god" in most articles.--SeizureDog 21:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, that makes sense.  I'd go ahead and do it myself, but I don't know the proper formatting. Mekryd 15:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Blue Giants? Avatars? Shinjin? Celestials? 

message: I think there's too much info under the theme song section, especially since they all link to the singles which shows all the same info.  Maybe all but the singer(s) should be removed and the rest of the info can be on the linked pages?  It also looks a bit bad to me because everything's in red, which is the main reason why I wanted to remove it. --Wirbelwind 00:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with that. There's too much nonessential info which is already on the main articles for the songs. -- (十八|talk) 01:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Theme songs 

message: I think that they should be marked as voice actors, not Seiyu or whatever. This is the English wikipedia. If an English version of Haruhi is released, then change it to "japanese voice actor" and "english voice actor"
In exchange, we could have their proper japanese names alongside their romaji name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.247.169.233 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 23 July 2006 UTC.
:First, sign your comments after you post one. Second, it is already widely accepted that seiyū be used to denote the Japanese voice actors, especially if the series has not been dubbed in English. Also, voice actor is usually used to denote the English dub voices of the characters.
:Also, on your last comment, there's no need to clutter the page with their kanji names when the romaji works just fine and they link to their respective pages anyway this way. -- (十八|talk) 05:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Voice Actors 

message: ::all that is known is the first and last syllables of his name, both being "ya"
I don't recall their ever saying the last syllable of his name, did they?  I thought in the anime, it was Ya(and some other noises cover the rest) and it ends there?  This is pure speculation on my part but I thought it didn't end with a ya because I remember thinking maybe his name was the unspoken name YHWH (note again: my speculation).  Thus, I was wondering where you hear the last syllable of his name.  --Wirbelwind 01:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Okay, I reviewed the episode; you're right about just the single 'ya'.  Changing it.  (Must have misunderstood what that said in the past...) --Crisu 03:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Computer Club President's name 

message: Is this only me, or have all of the Kanji in the article been replaced with question marks? Mekryd 02:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I still see the kanji.  Check your browser encoding?  --Wirbelwind 02:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question Marks 

message: Is this a dancing anime?  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alcy (talk • contribs) 12:29, 28 July 2006 UTC.
:No, it just has a "choreographed" ending animation. Shiroi Hane 12:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  how do I ge