Talk:Trinidad and Tobago

message: We have an slow-motion edit war going on between  and an anon, neither of which seem to have attempted to discuss the issue. The text in question is: 
How about no more reverts, by either party, until this is discussed? Guettarda (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: First pass suggests that the source supports the addition, so I'm not sure about this edit summary. Obviously an important step is finding the original work by Nicholls and Brown that Marcus Stephen cites. Guettarda (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Of course, whether this belongs here is another issue entirely. Guettarda (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: See Talk:Regional effects of global warming#Include Upfront (magazine) endangered oceanic island nations ranking.  The information should not be in the article without being credited to President Marcus Stephen of Nauru unless someone finds the report and reads it.  Then, we could credit Nicholls and Brown, but it still wouldn't necessarily be reliable.  It the present state, if it were clear that Stephen was quoting the report, we could say that President Stephen reports that Nicholls and Brown, in a study at the University of Southampton, reported that ....  The other report mentioned at Talk:Regional effects of global warming#Add listing of cities at risk? should be credited to OECD, rather than being left as considered "reliable".  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:25, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, that helps a lot. Hopefully there's some chance of a resolution there. Guettarda (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

text: Whether it belongs here is another question, but I wouldn't remove it from the article if a reliable source could be found, without some indication of consensus.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Sea level rise and climate change

message: I'm not sure if this makes sense: "...resulted in the abolition of slavery in 1833 via the Slavery Abolition Act 1845". It may need rewording or to be tweaked some way. At the moment it suggests slavery was abolished by an act 12 years into the future. I'm sure there is an obvious explanation that would clarify this. Tigerman2005 (talk) 09:36, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Slavery

message: Currently, on the right pane, the listed demonyms "Trinidadian" and "Tobagonian" both link to the page describing Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonians. Should this be the case?
Indo-Trinidadians and Tobagonians make up 40% of the population, while there are pages describing Afro-Trinidadians and Tobagonians (37.5% of the population) and Chinese Trinidadians and Tobagonians as well. Why choose one ethnic group in the country over the others for this link? Perhaps there was a reason behind this.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rua2006 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Should demonyms "Trinidadian" and "Tobagonian" link to Indo-Trinidadian/Tobagonian page? 

message: I removed the largest settlement from the info box. As I read the directions for the info box, that entry should exist only if the largest settlement is not a city.
I've asked for clarification [Template_talk:Infobox_country#Use_of_largest_settlement_when_cities_exist|here]--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:05, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Removal from info box  

message: ::The article looks very bad right now. Somebody please help us. Călușaru' (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Dru of Id (talk) 16:15, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Help

message: I've noticed a bit of a fight over whether the history section should be called "human history" or just "history". History, without qualifiers, usually means human history, and has been the standard usage here for many, many years. In addition, this keeps our article consistent with the standard template for country articles. Guettarda (talk) 23:30, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Human history 

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message: I take issue with the line:
"It is the only musical instrument to be created in the 20th century."
What about the theremin or the mellotron? It's just blatantly not true.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.171.0.4 (talk) 17:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Musical instrument 

message: Why is T&T considered part of North America despite being much closer to South America?? Is this an example of a situation where culture is preferred over geography?? Any other countries questions like this are often asked about?? Georgia guy (talk) 01:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a popular question. The basic consideration is that the Caribbean is one region, and when you divide the Americas into two superordinate regions only (north and south) you have to decide for one. This leads to scientists and international organizations counting the Caribbean towards North America, including T&T (and, for example, the ABC Islands) although T&T is located on the South American continental shelf. It hurts your brain, but it makes sense in a statistical way. Since the Caribbean is not counted towards Central America, the only approach to bypass this allocation is to divide the Americas into three regions: North (including Central), South, and the Caribbean as a self-contained region. We here at Wikipedia don't put up rules though, we just follow science and the media. Does that help? Kind regards, Grueslayer 06:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
replies: text:  I do think this should be addressed in the article because it's potentially confusing for the article to state in one part that geologically T&T is located in South America, yet to have a template at the bottom listing it as a North American country. 136.159.160.5 (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  T&T's continent 

message: There are many paragraphs without citations throughout the article. Specifically, in the following sections:
* Geography (one reference)
* Geology (no references)
* Climate (one ref)
* Prehistory (none)
* Spanish settlement (2 paragraphs without refs)
* Economic depression (one ref)
* Politics (2 paragraphs without refs)
* Political culture (no refs)
* Foreign relations (no refs)
* Military (no refs)
* Administrative divisions (no refs)
* Economy (3 paragraphs without refs)
* Education (no refs)
* Culture (2 paragraphs without refs)
* Olympic Sports (only 1 ref)
* Cricket (no refs)
* Other sports (no refs)
Please do not remove the maintenance tag until the above items have been addressed. Thanks. —howcheng  {chat} 16:33, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  this article needs more references 

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message: It might be a good idea to add a section about health. Here is a reference that discusses malaria in the country:
 Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Health in Trinidad and Tobago 

message: Interesting section, but does such a detailed overview really belong on the main page? Might be best to spin off into a separate article
Sdrawkcab (talk) 12:09, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Science and Tech 

message: The infobox section for ethnic groups gives the largest ethnicity as "Indian" with a link to the article Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian. I thought this was potentially confusing or ambiguous, because in the context of the Western Hemisphere, "Indian" can also be used to refer to the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Here, the indigenous group is labeled "Indigenous Amerindian," which is precise but not necessarily clear, because it's not necessarily a widely known or used term (see the relevant section in the article Native American name controversy). Many readers, particularly those familiar with North American English conventions and the demographics of many other Caribbean countries, will initially assume that "Indian" means indigenous.
I changed the infobox to say "East Indian (South Asian)" and retain the link to the Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian article. User:Arimaboss removed the word "East", with the edit summary: "Outdated term". (A subsequent edit also removed "South Asian".) I don't doubt that this term is less common than it once was. But I think it's appropriate here. As I noted in my edit summaries, "East Indian" is the actual term used in the cited source, the T&T census of 2011. (Here.) So the term has official status for statistical purposes in T&T. Additionally, it's the most accurate term, because as far as I can tell, the T&T statistical office does not define what "East Indian" means; it may well include people whose ancestry is from South Asia but who are not considered "Indian" in the sense of the modern state or nationality. Notably, the Indo-Trinidadian and Tobagonian article explicitly includes "other parts of South Asia" in its definition. 
Additionally, the East India (disambiguation) page includes the following: 
East Indian may also refer to:
...
* East Indians, a term used in North America to refer to South Asians in North America, in order to distinguish them from Native Americans who are sometimes referred to as Indians
* Indian Americans, residents of the United States descended from migrants from India
* Indo-Canadians, residents of Canada descended from migrants from India
* Indo-Caribbeans, residents of Caribbean countries descended from migrants from India
So it does not seem to be an outdated term in this context. To the extent it is unclear or unfamiliar, the parenthetical South Asian should clarify the issue without forcing the reader to click through to the linked article. (See, e.g., Indian_Americans#Terminology: "While "East Indian" remains in use, the term "South Asian" is often chosen instead for academic and governmental purposes" in the United States.) Consequently, I have changed the infobox back. But I welcome further discussion and forging some sort of consensus. --EightYearBreak (talk)  15:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: "East Indian" is not a solution. It's archaic, and in a TT context often includes the implication that we are interlopers. If you're concerned about Easter eggs, it's best to un-pipe the links. Guettarda (talk) 18:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ethnicity in infobox - "Indian" vs. "East Indian" 

message: added the following section:
The first source talks about a program that graduated 659 students in 2004. The second suggests that there are 4000 Spanish speakers, with an additional 66k with limited competency. That's not a "significant minority". While the influx of Venezuelan refugees (whose numbers are a source of much dispute) has made an impact on the use of Spanish in TT, this isn't sourced. The final bit discussed a government policy that was implemented with fanfare in 2004, but which hasn't achieved much. The only recent story I could find about the "Secretariat for the Implementation of Spanish" said, in 2017
One person per educational district is not a plan for bilingualism. You can't take a (hugely ambitious) promise made my a (now-deceased) politician 15 years ago and pretend it reflects modern reality. Guettarda (talk) 03:20, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spanish 

message: The article currently states that "Tobago's Legislative Assembly voted to absolved itself" (and the island became a crown colony), which makes no sense.  First, "absolve" means to declare to be free of guilt; it is possible that the writer meant "dissolve".  Secondly, "absolved" is a past tense or past participle, which does not belong in an infinitive phrase ("to ____").  Sensitive to the warning at the top of the edit page that the article is written in Trinidadian English, I have not changed this usage, as I am not familiar with Trinidadian.  If this is an error, it should be fixed; if it is Trinidadian usage, the meaning should be explained for non-Trinidadians. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 13:44, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
replies: text: Dissolve. See History_of_Tobago#Union_with_Trinidad. Guettarda (talk) 18:13, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Diction 

message: Could I get User:Arimaboss to come here and discuss the problems.--Moxy 🍁 05:27, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  recent changes  

message: Hi, just a suggestion, many country articles have sections or subsections for 'science and technology', this could be a section on this article as well. John Cummings (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Suggestion for section on science and technology 

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