Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 6

message: Anyone spot anything wrong please shout! I found that cranking through all the articles, then all the contributors, was a good approach. I kept an older version of the suggestions page open to get the article and contributor/nominator names.... ++Lar: t/c 01:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The second one was a lot easier than the first 

message: See this diff... what's that all about? Don't we need that leading UL format stuff? I confess I'm not clear why we are using li there instead of *... thoughts? ++Lar: t/c 20:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Not sure, it's been formatted as an unordered list for all the time I've been editing here. I think it's much better as a bulleted list, easier to read on the main page. A nice bold bullet point is much better for identifying clearly where the next item starts than three isolated tiny little dots. I've always wondered why it was done that way, but I support this change. --Cactus.man ✍ 07:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I like it as an unordered (bulleted) list, I think it's the way to go. But... in our work area, it's formatted as an unordered list by using "*". In the actual template, there WAS some div code (the diff shows its removal) and the unordered list formatting is done by using  and  instead of just using *. My question (perhaps to Flcelloguy??) is what was that div code doing and why was it removed, and (perhaps to people who have been doing this for a while) why use li instead of * ??? ++Lar: t/c 14:04, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Hey, no apology necessary.  I thought you were on  to something and I wanted to learn from it! I do happen to like bullets... not sure why we have to use raw html, and am curious about that as well. Maybe bring it up on VP...  It is a pain always changing it back and forth between * which is how it is on the suggestion page, and li which is how it is on the template, and then back to * AGAIN to archive it... ++Lar: t/c 16:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: (Mysterious lack of edit conflict from the previous post). I agree, copy / pasting between "*" and  to archive is a pain in the arse. Let's settle on "*" for bulleted lists. --Cactus.man ✍ 16:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Your comment was perfectly clear Lar, it was the opening unordered list tag that  was removed - (). Even though the closing  tag remained, the mediawiki software rendered the remaining  tagged list items as a bulleted list. Using "*" works just the same. Like you, I think this is better, with bullets, but Flcelloguy has now restored the unordered list to rectify his good faith mistake. Bring back the bullets ... :-) Cactus.man ✍ 16:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I have noticed some interplay between bullets/indents and images. An image on the left plays havoc with bullets that are up against it, they disappear, and indents also disappear. Perhaps the  is there to try to correct that? It takes effect even if it's in the middle of a line at render time. Some experimenting may be in order. ++Lar: t/c 17:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Format issue 

message: It is rather difficult to associate the pictures that appear on the main page in the DYK section with their articles, especially when the subject is unknown to the reader. Perhaps someone could put a (pictured) note with the entry that the picture is about at every refreshment? Kinda like what ITN and Selected Anniverseries are doing. deadkid_dk 07:02, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The image is always associated with the first DYK entry. There should also be an Alt text caption with the image which pops up when you mouseover it. It was missing from the current template but I've added it now. --Cactus.man ✍ 07:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright. But that's not obvious to the readers, I certainly didn't know about it until just now. :) deadkid_dk 07:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Sorry, I didn't mean to ignore your (pictured) suggestion, but was just meaning to explain my fix. Thinking about it further, (pictured) probably has some merit for the reasons you gave, but also for consistency on the main page. I don't feel strongly either way, but would be interested to know what others think. --Cactus.man ✍ 08:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I think adding (pictured) is a good idea, and certainly can't hurt things. I say lets try it out for a few cycles and see whether people complain. The problem is remembering to do it! ++Lar: t/c 14:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Good idea, first-time visitors will not know about our in-house rule of "picture belongs to first entry". This will make a nice cluebat. :) Kimchi.sg 16:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: You forgot to do it ... :-) Now fixed. --Cactus.man ✍ 17:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't in the checklist!!!! LOL. Thanks for fixing it for me. I'll try to remember. Told you it would take a while to remember to do it, but it's still a good idea. ++Lar: t/c 17:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone forgot to do it again XD deadkid_dk 23:10, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Er, ya, so I did. Wasn't in the checklist!!!! I think I said! ++Lar: t/c 12:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: (pictured)

message: I made the template a lot bigger. I think it works better now, not sure. I also started putting the warning box in bigger letters and having it be in two places. I got no edit conflicts last time I did an update. Yaay. ++Lar: t/c 19:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Comments

message: I received a comment from User:Ghirlandajo that DYK should not be about current events, regarding my self-nomination of Ein bisschen Frieden which is a song which won the Eurovision Song Contest 1982. I thought it would be appropriate to have this on thursday or saturday european evening (about 18-21) as this is when the Eurovision Song Contest 2006 is happening. Personally I can understand perhaps that News/current affairs and DYK should be separate, but is there any reason that timing DYK with sutiable anniversaries, which are not at all current are inappropriate? Regards, ßlηguγΣη | Have your say!!! - review me 03:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Current events and Anniversaries for DYK 

message: The archive part of the DYKTalk is getting really long. I don't know anything about what the bots did, or how one archives at the portals (that sounds like a huge job to me!)... does anyone else? It's actually getting long enough that it's hard to add items to the front on a slow connection. ++Lar: t/c 17:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bot is broken. AllyUnion, the bot's owner is busy in real life. Also, the archiving itself is not properly done with each archiver using different formats and sometimes the same admin (me!) using different formats. The last time it got too long, I created 13 archives manually. Let me try and see if I can get to it in the weekend. --Gurubrahma 13:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Archiving 

message: I propose we create a staging area for the next DYK. Since its content won't directly affect the Main Page, it won't be as sensitive to edits and could even be left unprotected. Advantages: more people would be able to collaborate, and more time to refine the entries. Less pressure on admins: when the update time comes, their job would be simply to cut & paste. ←Humus sapiens ну? 03:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's an idea. Believe it or not the part that takes the most time, for me anyway, is adding the DYK boxes to the articles and the noms/creators talk pages. I've been thinking about ways to automate the whole process... would people stick to a more rigid format if it made automation easier? I am envisioning a form where you pick the article tags you like and it generates the new page as well as creating the entries and opening the relevant talk pages... a bit ambitious but... might be a lot less work if it could be done. ++Lar: t/c 04:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not let the nominators do it themselves? We could say something like: if the entry you have nominated indeed appeared on the Main Page, please add this box to the nominator's Talk page, that box to the creator's talk page and that third box to your article's talk page? I am sure people will be happy to know that they spared someone else's precious time. But sure, automation is even better. ←Humus sapiens ну? 04:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Well, it seems to be an admin job to do the tags on the talk pages and the author's talk pages, but I reckon that I could do it myself as a normal user if nobody else cared.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! - review me 04:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  Wouldn't it be easier to compile 3 lists: creators, noms and articles and then feed them to a bot auto-slapping the template boxes. I'm not a bot writer, but I think I saw bots possessing such functionality. ←Humus sapiens ну? 05:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text:  It wouldn't be so easy for the authors. I put Buddhism in Australia on DYK; prior to that it existed as a redirect, and prior to that it was adspam. So that would have to be done manually, else the bot would message people who put a redirect or put linkspam which was later removed.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! - review me 23:52, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

text: Nod. However it may be a good thing for admins to do, dunno. Have to think it through. Personally I think writing some semiautomated tool that is on the toolserver and does the presentation of articles may be better. Not sure.++Lar: t/c 21:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Template:Did you know/Next]] 

message: We had a bit of a slow moving revert war recently in Template:Did you know... should "newest articles" link to Special:Newpages as it has for some time or to Wikipedia:Recent additions?? I think it's important to discuss this instead of reverting, and this is, I feel, the place. Myself I think since Wikipedia:Recent additions is WOEFULLY out of date, it's a bad choice... I can see why Special:Newpages may not be ideal either though as it is editor centric... Thoughts? ++Lar: t/c 19:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with Sam, Special:Newpages is a poor choice for the target DYK reader. I would suggest a manual copy-and-paste update to Wikipedia:Recent additions now, with a change in procedures to archive DYK entries directly to Wikipedia:Recent additions (instead of the bottom of the template talk page) until such time as the bot is repaired. I would be happy to do the copy-and-paste update if need be. --Cactus.man ✍ 10:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: What about the portal archives though? I think that's the really hard part? Maybe someone can drop Gurubrahma a note asking him? He seemed to know. ++Lar: t/c 03:08, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: ...er, portal archives?? I've obviously missed something. :-) --Cactus.man ✍ 12:59, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What "recent additions" links to