Talk:Frank Herbert's Dune

message: When editing this article, please only compare it's "accuracy", or lack thereof, to the original source material: Namely - the 1965 Hugo award winning novel written by Frank Herbert.  Do not use material from the video games, the 1985 movie, or any of the various other things that have called themselves "Dune".  If we keep it clean, the issues we run across will be a lot fewer and far less complicated. Rapier1 (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Please Note

message: Deleted the following sentence for obvious reasons:
"The mini-series is short on special effects, but the acting is superb. The mini-series also has a number of excruciatingly beautiful actresses."
Zainker 18:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: While the sentence shouldn't have been in as is, something about the special effects and acting should probably go back in.  One of the main interesting points of the miniseries is that it's widely considered a lot better than one would expect given its budget, since the special effects are fairly minimal (often using painted backdrops, for example). --Delirium 11:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Ok, added Info about the emmy awards which should cover the sfx-issue. Not sure about the acting though, while I personally agree that the actors did a good job, I haven't found much to elevate that claim from simple personal opinion to a supported fact.Zainker 16:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  NPOV issues 

message: Now, in this article, it states that Irulan was only involved in one scene of the book. I don't have the book with me (it's about 1500 miles away at the moment), but I can recall several scenes with her present. She was present during the dinner celebration of House Atreides's coming to Arrakis, she traveled to Geidi Prime during the middle of the book, and she was with the Imperial entourage at the end. If I'm wrong, then I guess the article should remain as it is, but if I'm right, I think this should be modified.
--Sidhebolg 00:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Irulan was in those scenes (and more) in the miniseries, but not in the book (just the end, where Paul negotiates to marry her).  It feels like she's everywhere because of the epigraphs, but she's not. TAnthony 00:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Irulan

message: Perhaps this page should be moved to "Frank Herbert's Dune (TV miniseries)". That's what it was officially called, and this article even refers to it as that!
Maxdave2010 17:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The DVD set I have has "Dune" as the title on the box, with "William Hurt in Frank Herbert's" in small print above the title. The actual disks themselves say "Frank Herbert's" (in tiny plain font) "Dune" (in big stylized font). Avt tor 11:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: It's also a "POV push" name intended to convey the message that the miniseries was a faithful adaptation (and the movie wasn't). It would be ridiculous to add "Frank Herbert's" to the entry name of a miniseries made after his death, when it's not on the novel that he wrote, or even the film he participated in making and publicly praised and defended. It's marketing, just like mentioning William Hurt most prominently, even though he didn't have the biggest role. Also, every other reference I know catalogs it under Dune. --Groggy Dice T | C 12:48, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

text: I agree, the "Frank Herbert's" in the title is a technicality, no move for now. TAnthony 15:32, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move this page? 

message: Come on, that's enough editing and re-editing.  Discuss it here before you waste each other's time.  And for goodness' sake, leave the paragraph saying one thing or the other, or neither - but not both.  Right now we've got one of those classic Wikipedia schizoid paragraphs that argues with itself.  It's surreal to read. --Gwilym 07:08, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The swords/knives issue 

message: I think another departure from the novel is the use of red costumes for the harkonnen, who originally had blue costumes. While it may be to make is "easier" for people to distinguish who the "bad guys" are by making them red, I still think it was unnecessary and worth mention. They were also very "psuedo-japanese," with samurai face masks and such. Just take a look at these concept drawings, http://www.duneinfo.com/miniseries/costumes/ . Lol, click on Duke Leto sure am glad it was not taken that far! However, in these drawings the harkonnen suit again shows that "japanese" influence along with several other costumes but it is blue at least. I kind of thought that the "noble houses feudalism" concept seemed far more European influenced to begin with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.122.44.100 (talk • contribs) 10:14, 28 March 2007
:Minor creative/conceptual choices such as these are notable/infuriating to fans like us, but really not notable enough to mention in the article. Any adaptation will make (and has made) these types of "innacuracies." TAnthony 22:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Heh, thanks I am glad someone can relate! Okie dokie then. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.122.44.100 (talk) 03:35, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Other departures from the novel 

message: COST is determining factor in most decisions.  In Dune (series) I think they may have been fluorescent contact lenses, as I recall they had an odd 'glowing' look. Also seemed to dissapear if looking away from the camera. I recall that the TV mini-series after Dune dropped the blue eyes due to cost(?). Or were they actually CGI (computer generated) Still costly.
I don't think any of the versions had the Emperor as a Spice Addict, so blue eyes weren't needed. However, it would have added to the reasons the Emperor colluded to destroy the Artreides Clan.
Not just the:
:* Political (Leto too popular)
:* Profit (Emperor has large spice company (CHOAM) stocks)
:* Shorter life span (and what is spice withdrawal like?)
And later on
:* Political? Revelation of the truth about the Sardaukars origins
:* Access to the Fremen as an army superior to the Sardaukar (When they realise what good warriors the Fremen are)
:--220.101.28.25 (talk) 12:58, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Eyes

message: The official title of this series is "Frank Herbert's Dune". I don't see any good reason in the old discussion above to keep it at "Dune". It is not POV to include the "Frank Herbert's"- it's part of the title. It is at best inaccurate, and at worst POV, to exclude the "Frank Herbert's", since it's part of the title. I defy you to find a single mention of this production as simply "Dune" from any official source (e.g. Sci-Fi channel)- it's always called "Frank Herbert's Dune", because that's it's name.
This business about including the author's name is, I believe, both a marketing stunt, and a copyright two-step that's common in the film business (though I couldn't find a reference specific to this production). This way they didn't have to acquire the rights for a film named "Dune", which I assume are still owned by DeLaurentiis et al (or somebody involved with the new proposed project). See also Bram Stoker's Dracula and Mary Shelly's Frankenstein for the same trick (and note their article titles).
Children of Dune (TV miniseries) also needs to be moved to Frank Herbert's Children of Dune, but I'll save that for another day. Staecker (talk) 01:42, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: OK then- it's moved. Staecker (talk) 17:58, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Since I ran across a page linking to Dune (TV Mini-Series), I thought I'd add a redirect here, since that's the way I would have gone looking for it, rather than the current title.  There's only one page that uses that link, currently, but it's still there. Xiong Chiamiov ::contact:: help! 10:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks, I changed the link on [Lex Lang]] to avoid the redirect altogether. — TAnthonyTalk 21:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Page move (revisited) 

message: Despite what's written in the article, Entertainment Weekly wasn't nice to the mini-series, writing, in the print issue, "What did Frank Herbert do to deserve this?"
I wish I had on-line citations to find, but alas things disappear on the Internet after so long, but I know in person, amongst my sci-fi friends, especially the Dune freaks, they hate this film. Finding some criticism about this mini-series would be helpful to the article. Coffee5binky (talk) 18:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I would like to see that citation as well.  As a lifelong "Dune freak" and active member of several convention-running science fiction organizations, I thought the miniseries was excellent.  There were flaws, but nothing that made me want to turn it off (Barbora Kodetová is a lovely woman and a talented actress, but that body type did NOT grow up on water-starved Arrakis, for example).  Now, if you want to talk about lousy filmmaking, just go watch the 1985 film.  THAT was a piss-poor adaptation, hands-down.Rapier1 (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Critics? 

message: I put put the newly created :Category:Dune films on this page because no such categories existed. This film is still divided into three series so I am trying to clarify weather it's appropriate or not--Taeyebaar (talk) 21:52, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced this category with :Category:Dune series adaptations, which allows for film and television and would also include Frank Herbert's Children of Dune. Otherwise I would say a specific category is not necessary for the two works based on the 1965 novel.— TAnthonyTalk 22:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

text: Should I just redirect it then?--Taeyebaar (talk) 00:00, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: I already redirected and tagged it for speedy delete ;) — TAnthonyTalk 00:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Category clarrification