Talk:The Dresden Files

message: the book club edition and I couldn't add it because of the chart. Here is the ISBN13  (9780739476581) October 2006. If the creator of the chart could please add this to the list I would be greatful. --Sandpanther 01:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Someone added  An ASIN Number to the chart the ISBN Number Is Listed in the previous post. The ISBN is in the new ISBN13 Format. If someone could the ISBN to the chart I would be greatful --Sandpanther 03:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

text: It's not a chart, it's a template. You can edit it by going to Template:The Dresden Files bibliography. - Debuskjt 00:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Hi I was going to add the ISBN for Wizard at Large

message: This article needs serious revision in the writing department.  I plan on going over the vampire court articles specifically, when I find the time.  Probably when winter break comes around in two weeks. Oneangrypirate 12:42, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Starting on the revision.  Revamped the Black and Jade court pieces for now.  Just basic reorganization and diction changes, and I added a little bit. Oneangrypirate 22:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrites 

message: When someone does the cleanup for this article, they may want to consider putting in a section on how magic and paranormal zoology differ from other universes. The use of swords and guns by magic users, for starters, is not often seen in other universes. The Taped Crusader 09:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: New Section

message: The following sentence does not seem justified to me: He is the keeper of the Outer Gates, and has the power to see the past and future.  The part about job is specualtion as is the suggestion that he knows the future (especially given it could be a violation of the 7th law of magic). I've moved it here unless we can justify it. RJFJR 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Gatekeeper 

message: Whoever keeps changing the info on the council to say that Dresden et al. is more on the progressive side of the council you have it backwards - changed it back with more clarity. The progressive/modern approach is that of the Merlin and his flunkies... If the Merlin had been more conservative Dresden and him would get along a lot better :)
:The whole dichotomous labels should be removed as it's POV. You can describe their position on specific stances without resorting to either side being progressive/conservative. - Debuskjt 03:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Progressive/conservative 

message: We need to create, at the very least stubs, articles for the books and appriopriate edits to the disambuigation pages.--Thanks, Yossi842 00:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Maybe the vampire, werewolves, etc portions should be moved to there own respective articles, just a suggestion, seems as how this article is extremely heavy on text, and yes, lol, I know this is an encycolpedia but it should still have pictures and the like. Ferdia O'Brien The Archiver And The  Vandal Watchman (Talk) 00:11, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Pictures of what? The Dresden Files universe is entirely textual. There's nothing to post pictures of. - Debuskjt 03:59, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There is, actually, book illustrations, some featuring the creatures listed above(well at least illustration of newest book had ghouls in it).as for different article - All of Organization stuff should be moved into new articles (Creatures of Dresden Files or Organizations of Dresden files) With the possibility, on latter on, when more books are released - to divide it even more(Like article for White Council, Article for Vampire Courts and so on), its just too much stuff for main article...and it will increase as the new books are released...--88.118.105.52 17:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Cleanup

message: On the listing of Audiobooks, #4 is listed as Fool Moon.  It should be Summer Knight.  Not sure if the ISBN number is correct.  I'd change it myself, but I'm not sure how.  The WikiForce is not strong in me (yet) NotThatKat 22:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I fixed it. - Debuskjt 03:58, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Audiobooks 

message: Is it worth listing the UK paperback editions separately? They have different ISBN numbers (my copy of Dead Beat is 978-1-84149-528-6), different cover art, and the latest book, White Night, is out in paperback here. 
Edit: No it isn't; It was Proven Guilty I found.145.8.171.98 13:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  UK editions 

message: I have deleted the section on the street wolves since I felt it was lacking any useful content. Furthermore this section only pertains to a very minor group of characters in the novel that don't deserve treatment in their own section.
Mrobfire 22:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Street Wolves 

message: What are "Omnibus editions" - how about explaning that.
--IceHunter 13:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It's a common Book Club tactic; reprints under a single cover of two or more previously published shorter volumes, with (generally) a new title. A quick glance at my bookshelves turns up MZB's "The Children of Hastur" for a non-Butcher example. Someone ought to do something about the redirect at omnibus edition to indicate its meaning in the world of dead trees. Abb3w 11:16, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Omnibus 

message: I've been thinking of cleaning this up, and the addition of the Wikipedia:Notability tag has pushed me into making an attempt. I like the content here (and loved the novels), so I'm not inclined to kill anything, but the vast majority of the information is clearly in-universe. I'm thinking that the article needs narrative, publishing history, plot summary (of the series - more detailed plots should be on the individual book pages) and should acknowledge the TV series and RPG as well as giving greater precedence to the novels. I would like to see sections such as Organizations spun off into separate pages, but I figure that this is something that should be discussed here first, so I won't be touching them. My biggest lack at the moment is decent articles discussing the series of novels (TV series easy, novels hard) although I'm planning to reference a few of the interviews floating around. Any help would be much appreciated, and let me know if I'm stepping on any toes. Bilby (talk) 11:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The only note I would put in is that unless written in an extrodinary manner with 4000 refs and such, any spin-off articles would probably get nuked in current enviroment around here.  Seen it happen with some other similar material.  Other than that, I'll support you in your efforts here. --Donovan Ravenhull (talk) 13:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I can probably do the 400 refs (unfortunately, I have lot of experience), but I know what you mean, especially at the moment. :) However I think we have a quandary - as things stand the article is very much in-universe, but the material is still very good. It was great when I was reading the novels. So I don't want to delete it. However, I can't see the in-universe, cleanup and non-notable tags being removed while it is there. Would Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter be a valid model, with the subpages such as Anita Blake mythology? Bilby (talk) 13:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

text: It sounds good. I've got a lot of critical response references to build in (I've been collecting them for a while now), so, if things go well, I'll see what I can do over the weekend. - Bilby (talk) 04:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Awesome.  I'm not sure how much you have, but take your time and do what you can.  It could probably go after the publishing history section.  I'm going to take a look at some other literary articles when I have time time to see how they are laid out.  Hewinsj (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup and Rewrite 

message: Hiya guys. Can anyone give me some source you got to know of the twelfth Dresden Files book ("Changes") from? I was unable to spot this on Jim Butcher's page, as well as google it out. Thanks in advance. - Iyoo  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.87.2 (talk) 07:36, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Dresden Files book 12

message: I have looked around the various Dresden files pages and can't find the Unseelie accords mentioned. They could be included in various ways, but I think the series of articles could gain in clarity if we created a new page on the rules that governs the supernatural world in the Dresden universe, and merge the existing page on the seven laws of magic into it. This article would include:
* The Accords: their content (rules on duels, safeguards, neutral grounds, etc.) and signatories, included the freeholding lords mentioned in White night(*). 
* The 7 laws of magic, i.e. the laws that govern human wizards use of magic
* The laws that govern faeries use of magic: the fact that faeries magic is different from human magic, the no-telling lies rule, the compulsions, etc.
* The general rules of the Nevernever
* Something about the nature of the Outsiders and their world
(*)Quote from White night, chapter 43: "...twenty on the whole planet. Two dragons, Drakul -the original, not baby Vlad- the Archive, the CEO of Monoc securities, some kind of semi-immortal shapeshifter guru in the Ukraine, people like that. The Accords let them sign on as individuals. They have the same rights and obligations." (De fideli (talk))  —Preceding undated comment added 09:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Accords 

message: The division of the Plot part of this article could be improved I think. It doesn't make much sense to have separate pages for groups and organizations. And we need to add a page that explains what the supernatural world involves in the Dresden Universe.
So, I suggest we keep three subsections under the "Plot" headline:
* The supernatural universe (see my post about the Accords)
* The characters
* The groups and organizations. 
I'd like some feedback and your thoughts before I go ahead with this.(De fideli (talk))  —Preceding undated comment added 09:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reorganization of pages 

message: As a resident of Chicago I can attest that the author's understanding of what Chicago is actually like seems to come exclusively from research due to a number of errors that occur throughout the series (streets that don't actually intersect, descriptions of neighborhoods that are flat-out wrong, etc.).  There should probably be a mention of that on the page.  And I know, citations needed, I just don't have any copies at hand.
--67.175.159.243 (talk) 22:11, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Chicago Technical Errors 

message: Has anyone thought of a timeline for the Dresden Files? I just read the first sentence from Changes, the 12th book, and it talks about Harry and Susan's daughter, but I don't know how old she could be since he's not consistent with the time between novels. Anyone want to help me make one. Not by year, since he never really gives specific reference to a year, but just by how many years are between books.
By the way, the first sentence can be found on his Twitter page located at http://twitter.com/longshotauthor. It's a few posts down, but he gives the first sentence of the next book, due out sometime in 2010, tentatively April.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by BEPhunkMan713 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Timeline 

message: Jim Butcher's site (on the email him page) says that there are going to be 23 books in the series "20 'case books,' like those we've seen so far, plus a 3-book apocalyptic trilogy" should that go in the article somewhere? --Blackstone Dresden (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Is there a link to the specific quote from his site? This sort of thing could go under a production heading if it could be verified.  Hewinsj (talk) 20:34, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: http://jim-butcher.com/feedback/ Third question down in the FAQ bar  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackstone Dresden (talk • contribs) 20:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Apparently Jim said somewhere that Mac's name/identity will be revealed in the apocalyptic trilogy so should that get added? --206.176.103.199 (talk) 14:33, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The books in the Apocalyptic Trilogy will allegedly (according to Butcher and subject to revision) be called Stars and Stones, Hell's Bells (cue the AC/DC lawsuit) and Empty Night --Blackstone Dresden (talk) 14:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: There will probably be more than 20 case books, according to the newest Jim Butcher interview (afair "Changes" promo party in Portland), since "Changes" was originally supposed to be the tenth book, but the story has streched. So at least 24-25 books altogether! :D  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.75.53.153 (talk) 23:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

text: Precisely--the article even includes the info that "Ghost Story" is the 13th novel in the series...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.173.27.91 (talk) 08:35, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: And to confirm it, the author's website shows Ghost Story directly following the twelfth one, without Side Jobs between them, and he specifically refers to Ghost Story as "Dresden 13" in comment #75 of this. I'll change it. -- 203.97.105.173 (talk) 07:18, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Number of Books 

message: On Amazon it says that the 13th book will be released on April 5th, and it says it will be released in April on Jim Bitcher's website: This needs to be changed from what it currently says(March something or other.) I tried to figure out how to change it, but it won't come up when I press the edit button!
::It has been postponed to July, and the entry has been updated.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.58.230 (talk) 14:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ghost Story: Incorrect Release Date 

message: Good work. A well written summary.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.166.15.114 (talk) 16:13, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Kudos 

message: Book 14 of the Dresden Files will be entitled "Winter Knight"--source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0K3XM-Ghc (after 2:30). Someone might want to add this to the article, I'm not very wiki-savvy.
:It's "Cold Days" now.  See http://twitter.com/longshotauthor/status/54775910271942657 and http://twitter.com/longshotauthor/status/54776803570614272 for the 2011 release...though I suppose that might just be a due date for Jim and not a release.  I've updated the template but am unsure about how to cite within templates...plus it's very late.Kufat (talk) 05:53, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: July 1st is when the manuscript is due to the publisher.  Tentative release is in October: http://www.jimbutcheronline.com/bb/index.php/topic,31273.0.html  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.146.7.1 (talk) 10:47, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Book 14 

message: In the bibliography, the hardcover ISBN for the 12th book in the series, Changes, is invalid and yields no search results. The correct one is:
0-4514-6317-X
as you can see on the Amazon page for it. I tried to figure out how to change it, but accessing the page that it's on is too complicated for me. --Flib (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrent ISBN 

message: I'm planning on taking on a long-term slow-motion project of cleaning up / reducing the plot summaries on the novel articles. I've been working on Cold Days over the last couple weeks and plan to move elsewhere in the series afterwards. If anyone would like to assist / collaborate, let me know! --ElHef (talk) 14:30, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot cleanups 

message: The table says the  date is the 3rd of december, 2013.  However, I can find no confirmation of this fact anywhere, nor is there a citation in the table or at the bottom.  http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/skin-game-15 is a page from the author's website, and it too has no information on a  date.  Is it bogus?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulcd2000 (talk • contribs) 22:24, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That's the  date for the hardcover edition offered by Amazon.co.uk.  dates have been pushed back, but on the whole I would trust the site for being correct on such things - their livelihood and reputation depend on it. There is now also the date for the paperback edition. Ngebendi (talk) 07:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: The Amazon date has been updated, so I pushed the date back a bit, as per what their site says. 70.51.235.13 (talk) 18:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

text: See here. Ngebendi (talk) 12:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

text: Sure. And 97% of the times I preordered something on Amazon, it was shipped two days in ADVANCE of the publication date. Personal experience. Ngebendi (talk) 11:33, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Skin Game  Date 

message: This shows up when editing as "{ {The Dresden Files bibliography} }" no spaces between the brackets.
I expected to find a wikitable.  I'm not sure the above is a reference to somewhere else, just a title, or ???
Anyway, how do I find the table of books? I want to add a column for Audio Publisher, and remove a lot of verbage following the table that just lists dates and companies and contains dated references.
Thanks HiTechHiTouch (talk) 13:53, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Check here. Ngebendi (talk) 14:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Table listing Dresden Files books 

message: I'm not sure that this is the place nor the way to mention the Black and Gray Council. First, this is the most general Dresden Files page, only an introductory overview is needed. Second, the Councils were important in Turn Coat, and things have moved on since that book; since Cold Days Harry Dresden is clearly to assume an important role against the Outsiders.
If the Overview section is to be modified I'd like to reach some sort of conclusion about what to include - the Councils are very small a part of it.
MinorStoop (talk) 16:15, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: Black/Gray Council edits

message: I've got to admit, I'm slightly bemused as to why we cannot add information about Peace Talks based on the announcement on Jim-Butcher.com, as per the comment in the Bibliography section:
:Please, do not add "Peace Talks" to this list, until there are enough independent sources worthy of use. This means, no author announcement, no publisher announcement, no Amazon listing. Thanks!
when speculation about the titles based of the final three books based on a 'hints' from Jim at a signing is allowed where there are no sources listed. If it is preferred that it is not appended to the table until we have full information, would anyone have a problem with a statement being tacked to the end of the section to the effect of:
:An announcement on Jim-Butcher.com gives the working title of Book 16 as Peace Talks.
with http://www.jim-butcher.com/books/dresden/peace-talks-16 cited as the source?
Cheers,
UselessInfoMine (talk) 13:55, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: I tend to agree that the author is a good source for the title of books. However, it's a little too far in advance. While I understand that the circumstances are different, one example could be the first book. Anyone who was paying attention to Jim's activities online before the publishing of Storm Front would also consider that to be a reliable source for the title of his first novel being Semiautomagic. The fact is, things change. For all we know, some brand new author will publish a book also called Peace Talks next month which will sweep through the best seller lists, at which point the pressure will come down on Jim to change the title, so as not to confuse the two. So until the book is finished being written and a firm date for release is established, we should hold off. As likely as it may be, it's still speculation. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 14:53, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: If we can find a reliable reference (a transcript of the talk on the book signing might be enough, but I'm probably not going to be able to judge it) supporting the fact that the Big Apocalyptic Trilogy announcement has been made could be enough to keep it. A google search I've made seems only to include a number of postings referencing each other, and I don't trust them. If we can't find something in a reasonable amount of time, we'll likely have to strike it down, I imagine. MinorStoop (talk) 17:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: Try interviews on YouTube, where he repeatedly mentions 20+ case books plus the “big apocalyptic trilogy”. Iyoossaev (talk) 20:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: We're (or at least I am) aware of those. I watch videos of his talks regularly. The problem isn't that we have nothing to cite, it's as I mentioned above: things change. For all we know, some other publisher could release a novel called Peace Talks that storms the public consciousness the week before Roc starts printing Butcher's next book. Roc would almost certainly force a name change at the last minute due to that. So we wait until it's confirmed. My own opinion is that, once we have a cover set in stone, we can start mentioning it here. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 23:03, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Peace Talks/Book 16

message: Hello. The page states "The series' first six novels were originally only published as paperbacks, but in 2007, ROC changed its strategy and began to publish hardcover reprints of books one to six."
Below that, the Bibliography section lists Book 1 as having a hardcover release date in November 6 2000. Looking on amazon https://www.amazon.com/Storm-Front-Dresden-Files-Book/dp/0451461975/ The hardcover has a release date of November 6 2007.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.9.75.196 (talk) 14:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Incorrect Hardcover Publish Date Storm Front