Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami/Archive 4

message: What happened to the boats in the area? Did it only affect boats close to the coast or also boats in the open sea? 212.144.9.85 01:20, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Boats near the coast would have been swept inland, and back out again if they didn't get stuck. Boats in the open ocean wouldn't have even noticed. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Boats? 

message: Is anyone interested in breaking out some of this article into some smaller, more focused Wikinews articles? We could really use some articles about the effects on individual countries, the "science" of tsunamis/earthquakes, the international Bank's pledge and other funding, and so on. See Wikinews:2004_Indian_Ocean_Tsunami project page. - Amgine 02:20, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Breaking out news articles 

message: Someone added a section about beached whales and a possible connection with sonic bombing or seismic bombing in oil exploration as a possible trigger for the 8.1 magnitude Macquarie Island earthquake three days prior to the Indian Ocean earthquake.
It has since been reverted, and I think rightly so.  According to the USGS, even nuclear tests and huge amounts of explosives do not trigger earthquakes.  -- Curps 04:18, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  "seismic bombing" as alleged trigger of earthquakes 

message: I think it would be interesting to add a subsection of 'quake characteristics' entitled 'tsunami', since the tsunamis were the natural event having the most impact throughout the edges of the Indian Ocean (no disrespect for Mr. Quake indended, apologies). Don't quite know where to begin, though.
But it might be interesting to note the tsunami's speed, acceleration (I've heard mentions of 'faster the further away from the epicenter,' is this true?), average and progressive height, energy displacement,etc... --Lemi4 04:58, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: This sounds like a good idea, but I would create a separate Tsunami characteristics section, small at first.  I might go ahead and do this. -- Curps 06:19, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes. We should discuss the unique aspects of this tsunami.  The complete 1 MB animation really shows how Somalia got hit harder than Madagascar, how Bangladesh hardly got hit, how Kerala on the western coast of India got hit despite being on the opposite side of the land mass, how multiple waves struck the various coasts after the first wave, etc. -- Curps 08:41, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Quake characteristics: tsunami 

message: I would like to know the estimated land area across the Indian Ocean coastal areas of the tsunami disaster, so as people can compare the scale of the damage as a comparison to a country. This would give instant comprehension of the scale of devastation, compared to other large weather related disasters.
David Forward.
:If I had info about the affected areas I would try mapping it right away. Maybe we could start collecting such data about affected regions? I guess having access to recent satelite images would help.
: - Henk Poley 15:10, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Total Land Area of Disaster 

message: As the person who originally added the section now headed "Conflicting priorities", I would propose to delete it in the middle of January 2005. My purpose in adding the section was to have some chance of it being seen by those organising relief, and affecting immediate outcomes. In the longer viewpoint of an entry in a permanent reference work, I agree with those who have said it is off-topic for the 2004 earthquake. So, if you feel the entry shouldn't eventually be removed, please speak up in the discussion. I have added a separate article under the more appropriate heading "Dead bodies and health risks".213.208.107.91 12:10, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Conflicting priorities (was "Bodies of those killed by trauma are not dangerous)" 

message: I live in Bangkok,Thailand and I have been going around hospitals in the past two days to help where I can. I have seen people totally destroyed listened to people whom miss family members and friends. Tomorrow (Jan 1st) I will be going to Phuket and Krabi to help somebody find a familymember as I speak the language and now the country, I am also taking pictures with me of familymembers of people I have visited in hospitals. 
I am doing a small part to help. I want to ask the community in the English wikipedia to help a littlebit also. In the Dutch wikipedia we have put an announcement on all pages with a banner pointing towards a page where you can find details to donate money. Can the English wikipedia please do the same and help this littlebit also. We are building an encyclopedia. But this is a disaster that hit everybody ..... so please help out the relief effort by doing this. Waerth 18:16, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, we have a page for this at Donations for victims of the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, which is linked to at the top of the main article page. -- Curps 20:44, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Announcement

message: Good article.  But should the title of the article be maybe "2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake and tsunami disaster" and something like that?  The tsunami is an important feature and ought to be mentioned.  Mandel 20:16, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
:First of all earthquake should not be capitalised, second, the title is fine, this article discusses the earthquake and its conseuquences which include a tsunami. --  Ævar Arnfjörð [ Bjarmason]   20:28, 2004 Dec 31 (UTC)
:Third, everything's too active to be moving pages around willy-nilly. See the #Name%3F discussion that's one of the earlier topics on the page. -- Cyrius|✎ 00:24, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Tsunami inclusive?

message: In the 'Casualties in historical context' section the 1782 South China sea tsunami is said to have been the previous most destructive tsunami, with 40,000 dead.  However Google turns up a 1703 tsunami in Awa, Japan (generated by an earthquake in Genroku, apparently) that some sources claim killed 100,000 people, see for instance .  Can someone confirm this? Terry 20:38, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title: Awa, Japan Tsunami

message: Is there any other confirmation of Indonesian authorities speaking of 400,000 (four hundred thousand) dead than ? This number seems incredibly high. --EBB 21:54, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Also here: http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/018349.html -- Curps 22:02, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Google "Rusdihardjo" at Google News.  Malaysia Star is also reporting it. -- Curps 22:05, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: Thanks. Couldn't (Can't) just believe it. --EBB 22:11, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

text: Yes, I agree. -- Curps 20:13, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  400,000 dead in Indonesia 

message: Shouldn't all the totals reflect the sum of all the cells in the column? It doesn't make sense to have (for example): 2, 1, 1, 4, 6, Total: 5,000. It would make a lot more sense, at least to me, to have the total be: 14 (in the case of my example) Comrade Tassadar 22:13, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
replies: text: That would certainly be more logical, but sometimes we get reports giving overall totals without the supporting data, and it seems appropriate to list that (with the appropriate citation). Tverbeek 00:11, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I gave up with Injured and Displaced columns, as there are few numbers reported and it's pretty much guesswork... -- Nils 11:17, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Displaced Total"... 

message: IF we can find out, a timetable of when the waves hit where, how high, how fast and how far inland.
Also anything else of genreal interest, like features of the backwash, the distance the sea retreted beforehand etc.. Rich Farmbrough 00:21, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tsunami - more info requested 

message: A lot of articles (particularly geographical areas) seem to be linking to this page, all with slightly different formats, names.  Perhaps a template could be created which enables other pages to link to this one with a consistent format.  compare (as an example) earthquake links on Galle and Sri Lanka.  Possibly something like this: 
 
The following sentences could then go on to talk about the local effects.
:Please see the TfD notice at the bottom of the page. -Splash 19:28, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Earthquake template 

message: Wikipedia, and this article ("the article about the indian ocean earthquake") was mentioned several times by a guest on MSNBC today. The guest said that the article is an excellent starting point for those seeking more information. Keep up the awesome work guys! Jawed 08:40, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  article mentioned on MSNBC today