Talk:Saint Lucia (disambiguation)

message: Removed "Saints Lucy and Geminian" from the disambiguation page:
*No indication in the Lucy and Geminian article that English-language text refers to this saint using the Italian name.
*The Lucy and Geminian article says " should not be confused with the more well-known Lucy of Syracuse", whose article does say "also known as ... Santa Lucia".
*The Lucy and Geminian article says that Lucy of Syracuse is "more well-known".  An English-language search for "Santa Lucia" is unlikely to have this Lucy in mind.
*No indication in the Lucy and Geminian article, nor in the article's Note #1, that one might search for this Lucy apart from Geminian.
Changed note for Saint Lucy to "a" instead of "the" Christian saint. Wpu27 21:08, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Removed Saints Lucy and Geminian

message: The holiday is already linked at the Saint Lucy article.  I question whether linking the holiday is needed in this disambiguation page.  I don't see a form of "Santa Lucia" being used alone to refer to the day on this page: Saint Lucy's Day.
This is unlike the situation for Christmas day which redirects to Christmas.
-Wpu27 (talk) 23:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  suggest removing link to [[Saint Lucy's Day]] 

message: The page structure at Christmas (disambiguation) may be a useful model here:
:Contents
::1 People 
::2 Places
::3 Music
::4 Other uses
::5 See also
-Wpu27 (talk) 23:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  page structure 

message: I suggest renaming this page to "Santa Lucia (disambiguation)"
The current name of this page, "Saint Lucia (disambiguation)", contains a mix of languages in the proper name: "Saint" is English, "Lucia" is Italian.
The article starts out, "Saint Lucy, a Christian saint known as Santa Lucia in Italian and Santa Lucía in Spanish ..."
It does not say that she is often known by the name "Saint Lucia" – which is a mixture of two languages.
One might argue for using a single language throughout the entire title: "Saint Lucy (disambiguation)", but most of the place names and other links are closer to "Santa Lucia".
There is already a Saint Lucy page.
There is already a Santa Lucia page.  The page name there is already distinct from the proposed name for this page which includes "(disambiguation)", but it might make sense to rename that page "Santa Lucia (song)" to add clarity.
Note: this is the third section that I added to this talk page within a matter of minutes.  I kept them separate because they are separate issues.  If viewing this text because a watch list alerted you to the addition of this section, please also review the other two sections.
-Wpu27 (talk) 23:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  using a single language in the proper name for this page 

message: I rollbacked this  . Before merge something after 14, yes 14, years at the least it's necessary to discuss it. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 19:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I think it's obviously confusing for "Saint Lucia" and "St. Lucia" and "Sta. Lucia" to be on a different disambiguation page from "Santa Lucia". Also, this disambiguation page says that it covers "Santa Lucia", but it does not! "Santa Lucia" is only at "Santa Lucia (disambiguation)". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:27, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: fixed the text "Saint Lucia, St. Lucia or St Lucia may also refer to: MrKeefeJohn (talk) 09:37, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: If there is no objection on the merits of the merge, I plan to soon revert the revert. There has been no apparent objection on the merits for 14, yes 14, years since the discussion began here about a suggestion from Wpu27 that the content of this page should be put into . I think that's enough time, even though WP:there is no deadline. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Strong oppose to the merge, merging that will decraese the usability. In last 14 years many people edited the page and no one asked for the merge, take a look  And it's usual to DO not merge such pages, for example San Paolo (disambiguation)  and Saint Paul (disambiguation). MrKeefeJohn (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: I reported about this discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation#Saint_Lucia_and_Santa_Lucia. I hope it's the correct place and procedure. MrKeefeJohn (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: That seems good. I also put merge discussion notification tags both on this page and at Santa Lucia. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

text:  The situation is very different for "Saint Paul" vs. "San Paulo" than for "Saint/Santa Lucia". "Paulo" and "Paul" are two different names. A person whose name is Paulo does not automatically become Paul when speaking in English they are still Paulo, and that stays their name on their birth certificate, passport, driving license, and eventually their death certificate. "Saint", on the other hand, is just an honorific, not a name. Any particular woman who is called a saint in English would be called a "santa" when speaking in Spanish. Moreover, going from "Saint Paul" to "San Paulo" involves changing both parts of the name. Here it is just a matter of "Saint" versus "Santa" both are using Lucia. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:31, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

text: It would be nice if some third person would express their thoughts on this discussion. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:07, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Oppose merge, as there are sufficient instances where the topics are distinct that readers are best served by having the topics separately disambiguated. For example, someone looking for which town called Santa Lucia was being referred to would not be looking for Saint Lucia, and St Lucia in an English-language country will want to see the shorter Saint Lucia (disambiguation) rather than read through the longer Santa Lucia. I just think that the ledes can be amended to better reflect their scope, mutually linking. Klbrain (talk) 12:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merging with Santa Lucia