Talk:War of the Ring

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I think this article does need a picture. Of course it is hard to illustrate the war itself, but covers of any of the games and/or the book History of Middle Earth book would be good if anyone has one. These images would be allowable under "liscencing: Covers: Board game cover or Book cover". Please upload and link if you have one (or two) - Waza 22:12, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: The image was deleted because it had unknown copyright status, which is now a criteria for speedy deletion.  See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia. You can see the delete log at .
I hope you find the siege tower image I added to the conflict box suitable. This is the source, including disclaimers, fair use information, etc:  Grimhelm 15:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Picture?

message: I consolidated Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White as commanders into just Gandalf, as not only do the two links refer to the same person (though at different levels of power and authority), but they also redirect to the same article, which seems rather pointless and redundant to me. Grimhelm 15:36, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: By all means. That was just me going :P . --Kizor 14:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: One advantage of not consolidating them would be the little cross thingy (to indicate that the commander died during the war). Gandalf the Grey died; Gandalf the White did not. If we are going to leave them consolidated we have to find a better way of noting that because its inaccurate to give him the same cross-thingy as everyone else.savidan(talk) (e@) 20:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Conflict Box

message: Apparently because of the limitations of the infobox, Saruman as a third party is not listed! Could someone fix it? 202.163.247.203 23:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Saruman was officially allied with Mordor. While he was certainly doing so for his own purposes and was far from 'loyal' to Sauron it does not seem unreasonable to include him with the other opponents of the 'Free peoples' rather than as a third party. --CBDunkerson 23:23, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Infobox is wrong

message: Why is Eomer not listed among the comanders? He became King of the Mark during the Battle of the Pelennor Fields, and led the men of the Mark in the assault on the  Black Gate. He must be listed as a commander.
:I believe one per army is enough... Else we should list both Dain's and Brand's sons, Imrahil, Gothmog and The Mouth of Sauron. I believe that would be too much. Bryan 13:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  What about Eomer? 

message: I've read Tolkien's foreword to the second edition, and there's one paragraph that i don't get. If anyone out there could clear this up, it would be great:
"The real war does not resemble the legendary war in its process or its conclusion. if it had inspired or directed the development of the legend, then certainly the Ring would have been seized and used against Sauron; he would not have been annihilated but enslaved, and Barad-dur would not have been destroyed but occupied. Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth. In that conflict both sides would have held hobbits in hatred and contempt; they would not long have survived even as slaves."  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.185.96.150 (talk) 00:56, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Hi - he's talking about how reviewers had said the War of the Ring ("the legendary war") resembled the Second World War ("the real war") - which he disagreed with, pointing out the relative moral shortcomings (in his opinion...I'm not gonna start treading on any POV toes here ;-) ) of WWII's commanders which, if they'd been in the command, he assumes would have used the Ring etc since they were willing to use other devastating weapons such as atomic bombs etc. The bit about Saruman - well, he's probably working out the 'realistic' way things would've worked out after the War in middle-earth ended, with Saruman taking advantage of the situation. There could even be a reference to the two superpowers of the Cold War having nuclear arsenals as their 'trump' weapons by having Saruman and "the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth" both have Rings - though Tolkien disliked allegories he's using this 'alternate' War of the Ring as an example of what the War would've been like if it *was* an allegory. The bits about Sauron being enslaved & Barad-dur occupied probably refer to the fact that the Allies absorbed a lot of scientists etc who'd worked for the Nazis into their own weapons programs, and so the Middle-earth equivalent would be to enslave Sauron etc, who after all knows his fair share about war. For more of his views on the Second World War, check out the Letters of JRR Tolkien - there's one particular letter where he says both the Allies & Axis powers "have orcs" among their commanding officers, for instance. - Chris.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.198.195 (talk) 17:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: I don't get it

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message: Redirected as per .--Jack Upland (talk) 03:12, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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