Talk:Nature's Sunshine Products

message: Nature’s Sunshine Products, Incorporated (NASDAQ: NATR), also known as “NSP”, is a natural health and wellness company that manufactures and markets nutritional and personal care products through global direct sales force in more than 40 countries. Using a multi-level marketing channel, Nature’s Sunshine distributes encapsulated natural health supplements, including herbs, vitamins, minerals, and Chinese and Ayurvedic remedies as well as skin care products. 
The company’s headquarters are located in Lehi, Utah, with an award-winning (link: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Nature's+Sunshine+Named+2002+%60%60Manufacturer+of+the+Year+by...-a096190664) (link: http://www.naturesarsenal.com/articles/mfgoftheyear.aspx) manufacturing facility in Spanish Fork, Utah. (link: https://www.naturessunshine.com/us/general/contactus/) 
===History===
Nature’s Sunshine was founded in 1972 by the Hughes Family, who started encapsulating capsicum in their home kitchen. The company utilizes a multi-level marketing business model. Each distributor markets products directly to potential customers, and can also recruit and train customers to become distributors. Distributors are paid from the retail markup on products they are able to sell personally, as well as a performance bonus based on the sales of distributors they have recruited. Citation:  Xardel, Dominique (1993). The Direct Selling Revolution. Understanding the Growth of the Amway Corporation. Blackwell Publishing. pp. 1–4. .
The company broke ground on its first corporate headquarters in 1976. A $1.2 million dollar building, the 36,000 sq. ft. facility included offices, manufacturing areas, and R&D and Quality Control labs. 
Nature’s Sunshine began international expansion in 1976 by entering Canada. Today it operates in more than 40 countries. 
Company stock first appeared on the NASDAQ stock exchange in 1978.
• I would like to challenge the phrasing of the first sentence here. Capsicum is a genus of plants. Capsaicin is the chemical that distinguishes the genus. According to the company's website, they encapsulated cayenne pepper: https://www.naturessunshine.com/about/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etleyden (talk • contribs) 23:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Marking this edit request as declined. Altamel (talk) 04:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Some proposed changes

message: Nature’s Sunshine was founded in 1972 by the Hughes Family, who started encapsulating capsicum in their home kitchen. The company utilizes a multi-level marketing business model. Each distributor markets products directly to potential customers, and can also recruit and train customers to become distributors. Distributors are paid from the retail markup on products they are able to sell personally, as well as a performance bonus based on the sales of distributors they have recruited. Citation:  Xardel, Dominique (1993). The Direct Selling Revolution. Understanding the Growth of the Amway Corporation. Blackwell Publishing. pp. 1–4. .
The company broke ground on its first corporate headquarters in 1976. A $1.2 million dollar building, the 36,000 sq. ft. facility included offices, manufacturing areas, and R&D and Quality Control labs. 
Nature’s Sunshine began international expansion in 1976 by entering Canada. Today it operates in more than 40 countries. 
Company stock first appeared on the NASDAQ stock exchange in 1978.
• I would like to challenge the phrasing of the first sentence here. Capsicum is a genus of plants. Capsaicin is the chemical that distinguishes the genus. According to the company's website, they encapsulated cayenne pepper: https://www.naturessunshine.com/about/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etleyden (talk • contribs) 23:13, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
thread_title: History

message: The company also supports health and wellness for children around the world through its partnership with the Sunshine Heroes Foundation. (link: https://www.spreadsunshine.org/ https://www.spreadsunshine.org/about/) Nature’s Sunshine provides financial and fundraising support for the Sunshine Heroes foundation to sponsor the creation of Sunshine Children’s Centers. These Centers provide educational resources and medical facilities to families and children in developing countries around the world. (link: https://www.spreadsunshine.org/projects/)
NTin-Daddy (talk) 23:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title: Charitable Causes

message: Regarding the material proposed for inclusion, it is way too promotional, lacking reliable third-party sources, full of puffery and fails the WP:NOV sniff test. Rhode Island Red (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed. Marking this edit request as declined. Altamel (talk) 04:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Avoid Promotional Style  

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message: Hello, I work for Nature's Sunshine and they would like to update the industry copy on this article. It is being pulled into Google's knowledge graph and is providing incorrect information into the SERPs. They are not a multi-level marketing company, despite what you may be able to Google. The company is a Natural Health and Wellness Company. They would like that to be changed on this article. Thank you. ---- Kduncan22084 (talk) 22:54, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't mean to put too fine a point on it, but Wikipedia is not concerned with what third parties do with Wikipedia information(like Google "knowledge graphs") nor is it particularly interested in what a company would prefer to be referred to as. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources choose to state about a topic. If the preponderance of such sources use the term "multi level marketing" to refer to this company, then Wikipedia does, too. As I said at the help desk, you will need to show either that the sources currently in the article are inaccurately summarized and do not say what is claimed in this article, or you will need to show that most sources use a term other than MLM to describe this company. The company is free to describe itself as it wishes on its own website and is even free to use its website and social media to discourage people from believing what they read in this article. 331dot (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: With Google I reached this page on their own website, titled "Marketing plan NSP in simple language" they say  Can you explain how they are not a multilevel marketing company? StarryGrandma (talk) 23:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
replies: text: Many reliable, independent sources describe this business as a multilevel marketing company,  and accordingly, so too will Wikipedia. When writing an article about a company, we primarily summarize what reliable sources that are entirely independent  of the company say about it. Only limited, non-controversial information should come from the company, such as their founding date, the name of the CEO, their headquarters city, and the like. Cullen328 (talk) 23:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Industry Update