Talk:History of Christianity in Ukraine

message: I find it ironic that someone, who wrote a nice article on forceful conversion to Orthodoxy of the Kholm Governorate should be reverting a statement describing discrimination and persecution of Catholic Ukrainians in that area. Even though sources from Russian orthodox church site Iith respect to the persecutions, a solution might be to qualify the referenced statement - "according to..." and then include the info on persecutions. However this brings up another problem with the particular reference.  The info doesn't come from, say, the Ukrainian Catholic Church's website but from one parish's web page.  Adding "according to St. Mary's Church in Winnipeg persecutions etc. occurred" isn't right.
:About Subtleny's boook - are you sure that Subtelny was referring specifically to the persecutions etc. in Chelm?  I might be wrong and wil check again, but Subtleny didn't seem to write much about Chelm (I think I looked when I worte the article).  On the other hand Himka seemed to present the situation in Chelm as generally calm and free of persecution until the 1860's.  I won't revert until I double-check, but the sentence "Within the Russian Empire, the Uniate Church - despite mass deportations, persecutions and discrimination - continued to function until 1875, when the Eparchy of Chelm was abolished." implies that the deportations were happening in Chelm, which might not be accurate.Faustian (talk)
::Let me cite from Subtelny: By means of mass deportations, bribery and even executions Bibikov succeeded in practically eliminating the Greek Catholic Church in the empire. Please, do check it on p. 211. In this article we are talking about the Greek Catholic Church as such. That's what the paragraph means. And mass deportations, executions and general persecution of Greek Catholics happened throughout the empire, including the Kholm Governorate if you are interested. --Hillock65 (talk) 04:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: On the top of the page it states that Bibikov was in charge of Kiev, Podolia and Volhynia provinces.  The persecutions etc. refers to those regions specifically (Subtelny also adds Belarus).  As mentioned in the article Conversion of Chelm Eparchy, until 1865 Kholm was part of the autonomous Congress Poland and thus was spared these things.Faustian (talk) 05:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do have a look at the article. Neither the whole of it, or the section, or even that particular sentence restricts the subject to Kholm governorate. It states, and correctly so, that the Greek Catholics were persecuted by Russian authorities in the empire. It, and neither in fact Subtelny mention if that happened in that particular Governorate. It happened in the empire to all Catholics and the sentence correctly reflects that. Whether that happened in KG is left out and does not seem to be that relevant in relation to general persecution in the empire. --Hillock65 (talk) 05:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Persecution of Greek Catholic Ukrainians in Kholm 

message: Since this article has seen quite an input from numerous users a suggestion to upgrade it to class A or GA? Can people identify which parts need to be worked on to achieve this? --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 16:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  GA/A class 

message: I think that this article can be good or featured just with more references. --Vojvodaeist 14:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Article improvment

message: The "Post Soviet Period" section of this article seems to require a great deal of work.  Would it help if we could here create an outline of the events that should be included?  From my perspective, notable ommissions are (1) the establishment of the UAOC in 1990 and its election of Mystyslav as the first Patriarch of Kyiv, (2) the November 1-3 1991 All Ukraine Sobor of the UOC which unanimously called for the autocephaly of the UOC, and (3) the 1992 Unification Sobor which created the UOC-KP from portions of the UOC and UAOC. Qe2 (talk) 16:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Post Soviet Period 

message: I have just discovered the article Religion_in_Ukraine, which seems to overlap the Modern Times section of this article.  Should we consider these together? Qe2 (talk) 13:17, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Modern Times / Religion in Ukraine 

message: In the weblink section there is also one to Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church Canonical, but this church isn't mentioned in the text at all. The article sounds very strange, like exaggerated advocacy for a small group, so the real circumstances and importance should be clarified here. --Ikar.us (talk) 18:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  UAOC-C 

message: Is this article ready for FA voting?--Vojvodae please be free to write :) 17:11, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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