Talk:John Byrne (comics)/Archive 4

message: I'm surprised that this article has no section on Byrne's well-publicized arguments with other writers and artists, and his handling of message board threads on his site. It tends to be a major source of discussion in fandom. Snowspinner 00:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: See Archive 3 for details.--SarekOfVulcan 00:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Archive 3 said we need sources. Surely these are obtainable. Snowspinner 00:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Then obtain them. :-)--SarekOfVulcan 02:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: This I have done! Snowspinner 20:47, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Criticism of other writers/artists

message: Does anybody plan on working on continuing the recounting of Byrne's history, which has presently been taken forward only to the early 1990s?  A bunch of stuff, like Marvel's Lost Generation and DC's Generations, has yet to be recounted.  I know that some find it more fun to go on about his various feuds and conflicts, but in between he actually was involved in the creation of comic books. *Dan T.* 12:59, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Moving forward? 

message: Please cast your vote, short and sweet, on whether to keep or 'delete' the feuds section from the article.
* Delete.  Dyslexic agnostic 23:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I fail to see how the feuds section can have a NPOV. --Pc13 08:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  '''Feuds''' section: Keep or delete? 

message: OK. So you want discussion, discuss. How does the section that currently has a dispute tag violate WP:NPOV? Phil Sandifer 02:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I am not actually interested in discussing this further.  Pc13 has it right... this article needs some tender loving care, to make it encyclopedic and to give each aspect of the article its proper emphasis: in this case, Byrne's accomplishments as a writer and artist over the last several decades.  Right now it is just a ragtag collection of facts.  We do no service to Byrne, or to Byrne fans, or to Wikipedia, making edits that get us nowhere.  I plan to improve the article as a whole, so that it can see the improvement that Watchmen has recently seen.  Once the article has improved enough, the "feuds" information will fall into place as it should. You can simply revert every edit you see, Phil, or you can be part of the solution.  To the greater Wikipedia! Dyslexic agnostic 05:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: I don't believe "My way or the highway" is an appropriate approach to the group editing of an article -- especially if the editing rises or falls on one or two editors' objections to one section. --Calton | Talk 06:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Excellent. I wholly support this. So I take it to mean that no one is actually saying the section is POV? In which case the tag can go? Phil Sandifer 05:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: I thought Calton the world traveller deleted them all, but I see he left one.  Either way you see fit... Dyslexic agnostic 06:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair enough. I'm removing the tags then. I look forward to the improved version of the article - I don't intend to revert you, so long as you don't try to improve it by removing sourced information - add context, organize, add more information. These are good things. Removing verifiable and sourced information is bad. Phil Sandifer 06:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

text: Your reversions are noted... I haven't looked at this page in a couple of weeks, and I have gained some perspective on this.  Having said that, the section is too big; as stated earlier in this talk section, it appears to be petty and unencyclopedic to list every "atrocity" (word used sarcastically) committed by Byrne.  It won't be me, but I ask someone to consider condensing this section. Dyslexic agnostic 18:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: The tags

message: I removed some links to avoid the Spam Event Horizon.  WP:EL supports links to good, authoritative relevant sites, but discourages blogs, forums and such unless they are actual sources for the article (which WP:RS ndicates they ussually are not).
* The John Byrne Forum
* Spanish interview with many comic book covers and additional artwork by Byrne
* Lambiek Comiclopedia
*The Unofficial Handbook of Marvel Comics Creators
* ROG-2000 background
* Byrne interview on his early career, Comic Book Artist #12, 2001
* Roger Stern interview re: Byrne, Comic Book Artist #12, 2001
* What A Girl Wants #7 - Byrne That Cross
Note that Byrne's website already has a link to the forum, so a single link should be enough. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 17:13, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: Agreed Dyslexic agnostic 17:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

text: A lot of them seem to be just general "me-too" chat.  And the forum is linked fomr Byrne's own homepage, we don't need two links to the same site, surely? - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 21:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  External links