Talk:Canada Park

message: Avilyn, let's avoid an edit war. You removed my entry that provided some background for the Israeli attack on the villages. Without this information the reader is led to mistakenly believe that Israel arbitrary decided to attack those villages just for the heck of it, when any serious student of the region recent history knows this is just not true. Besides, the section on international law is hardly suitable for an article on a park. 
I will restore the entry you deleted and I am respectfully asking you to remove the international law entry and replace it by a suitable external reference. Again, this is an article on a park, not a propaganda piece. 
Danielcohn 07:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: This is an old topic, but I'd just like to clarify, as I've seen many people confusedly asserting (with no citations) that it's "occupied," but it is annexed not occupied as shown in the following article published by WP:V newspapers/reprinted by many other newspapers: Palestinians Launch Campaign To Regain 'Occupied' Latrun, e.g, "All peace plans have always put Latrun inside Israel" as Resolution 242 does call for "secure" boundaries. This was a salient/exclave, annexed from Jordan, not from any Palestinian entity, and Israel has since then made its peace/land-swaps with Jordan. 72.183.52.92 (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Propaganda 

message: I'm sorry but I fail to see how an international law section is relevant to a site on a **PARK**. A detailed and balanced coveragae of the events of the 1967 war, including refugee and legal issues, belongs in an article about the war or about the refugee crisis, not in a site about a park! Can we agree on that?Danielcohn 09:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree w/both of these, and sadly, the topic is rearing its ugly head again. 72.183.52.92 (talk) 17:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Please do you understand about what is subject of article.On what ground you restored unsourced and POV material?Shrike 16:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

text:  Also did you read discussion of the article such concerns were raised 2 month ago and there was no response.If have some  answer in the talk.I like to hear itShrike 16:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I read it. You were not involved in that discussion months ago and the discussion does not involve erasing the entirety of the article. I will be seeking mediation on this problem. -- VegitaU 20:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It doesnt matter if I was involved or not the point still stands there and I didnt see you answer there about the scope of the article.Also the sources of the article clearly not WP:RS.--Shrike 20:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Again my point still stands the villages has nothing to do with the park .There maybe a mention about a Palestinian claims but it shouldnt make 90% of the article you may create seperate article about that if you want.--Shrike 20:55, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Becouse I didn't saw any reliable sources on this claims--Shrike 21:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Scope 

message: How should this article discuss the former inhabitants of the area?
just watch this to get a real opinion about this warcrime.
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2007/12/how-israels-apartheid-works-example-of.html  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.228.69.84 (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RfC: Arab villages 

message: The article should describe where the park is: Israel-pre-1967, West-Bank, or East-Jerusalem. -DePiep (talk) 20:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It was occupied during the 1967 war, so it is in Occupied Palestinian Territory, more specifically in the Latrun salient of the West Bank. Tiamuttalk 00:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you. I'll edit it this way then. -DePiep (talk) 18:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think we need subsection on "Location". This map indicates that Canada Park is largely located to the east of the Green Line (i.e. in the West Bank) and that a small part of it is in what was the no man's land after 1967. The green line shifted from `1967 onward, but even after the shift, it lies to the east. There used to be a "Location" section before, but it was removed. Anyone interested in restoring and adding to it? Tiamuttalk 15:21, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I will and add to it. Tell me what and where I should add the content,  and . (Ping to grab attention, this was very long ago) Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 05:49, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
replies: text:  Your edit was incorrect.  Only a small part of CP lies in the Latrun Salient. Most of it lies in the West Bank according to both Israeli and Palestinian reckoning. Look at the map in the article. Zerotalk 07:17, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Where is it anyway? 

message: not about what was there before.  This artcle is about 75% about that right now, and i think that there should be more mention of access, activities and the uses of the park as opposed to whatever villages might have been there before.  There is no question that the neutrality of this article was compromised when it starts talking about the villages.  If you think that this article can accurately describe the park while talking about this, then you're mistaken.  Make up an article about the displaced villages if you like, but take this info out.
Maximum927 (talk) 14:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Welcome to Wikipedia. We write using WP:RS. The majority of reliable sources that discuss Canada Park discuss the history of the site upon which it was established. The park derives much of its present day notability from this history. I am against creating a WP:POVFORK to discuss the controversial aspects of the park, so that this page is only about the nice trees and recreational uses of the park today. Per WP:NPOV, we represent all significant viewpoints regarding a subject on Wikipedia. Not just the nice stuff. Please do add more though on the park's activities and uses today using reliable sources. Tiamuttalk 14:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: This article is about the park

message: It can't be both 7,000 dunams and 1,275 dunams.  One of the sources given for 1,275 even says "32,000 hectares" which is 320,000 dunams!  Zerotalk 12:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  area 

message: There were indeed 6 assaults on Latrun :
* During Operation Maccabi
* Operation Ben Nun
* Operation Ben Nun Bet
* Operation Yoram
* An assault by the East on 16 July (during Operation Dani, after the fall of Ramla)
* A frontal assault by the West on 18 July (the last action of Operation Dani).
Anita Shapira talks about 6 operation, I don't know which one Benny Morris, who talks about 5 operations, forgot. Anyway it doesn't matter at all.
Pluto2012 (talk) 11:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, I'm just going by the article that you wikified to when stating "assaulted the hilltop X times without success..." to be consistent w/that article. Whether one operation is "separate" from another may be interpreted by historians, as you call out. You could always add the Anita Shapira source to that article ("Battle for Latrun" or whatever), but I wanted to stay with what was given with WP:RS sources in that other article. 72.183.52.92 (talk) 05:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: No worry. :-) Pluto2012 (talk) 06:55, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Anecdote 

message: The article says "The 4 Arab villages there were razed on the orders of Israeli general Yitzhak Rabin".  Three citations are given, but the only one that indicates Rabin as responsible is this al-Haq legal brief, which quotes Rabin from a 1991 Canadian TV documentary saying "I gave the order".  However, the book "The Bride and the Dowry" by Avi Raz (pp. 112–113) mentions two other claimants.  Uzi Narkiss, commanding general of the Central Command, claimed at least five times between 1994 and 1997 that he alone gave the order. According to Narkiss, Rabin was unaware of it until afterwards and threatened Narkiss with a commission of enquiry.  Raz cites archival documents in support of Narkiss' claims.  Moshe Dayan also at one time claimed to have given the order himself, though Raz doesn't believe it. Zerotalk 13:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Who ordered it? 

message: Meanwhile, our anon has turned Latrun in a long rambling mess like his comments here, full of personal analysis and wild claims. Zerotalk 01:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Meanwhile at [[Latrun]] 

message: Before this removal, it was stated historical remains included "the ruins of Palestinian villages". Does anyone got the book and can check if that was indeed mentioned? As this was typical editing and no explanation was given, it could actually be reverted straight away. --IRISZOOM (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The version that I can see at Amazon does not mention the Arab villages, which only goes to emphasise that travel guides are poor sources. Zerotalk 08:54, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
replies: text:  Okay. Thanks. --IRISZOOM (talk) 12:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  The historical remains 

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