Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 25

message: For background info, please see User_talk:Saravask#Re._Kochi_article_name. To clear up the confusion, we need a unified consensus rule. We can either pick one of the options listed at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (city_names)#India or people can propose alternate suggestions. Saravask 19:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian city naming and dab conventions 

message: Please see Salcette and Salsette Island.
There are two issues:
#I feel the name Salsette Island should be changed to Salcette Island since both come form the same source.
#It is better to move the articles respectively to Salcette, Goa and Salcette, Mumbai (or Salcette Island, Mumbai?)to avoid ambiguity and a disambig page should be provided.  --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 13:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Salcette/Salsette 

message: Attention all concerned Indian Wikipedians
While doing a research on Geography of West Bengal, I noticed that the article Geography of India, a FA is in a bad condition, probably it will not meet the WP:GA criteria. The article was featured on June 8, 2005 that is about 2 years back when the Wikipedia was not much organised, so it got FA easily. If any improvement is not done, it will get defeatured within no time. I am pointing out some of the errors in the article:
#Excess importance is given to the highest point in the lead. Remove it and replace by other suitable statement
#Location and extent-eastern, western and northern tip missing, IST must be included, neighbours of India may be incorporated
#Political geography – must be written in a prose form rather than list.
#Geographical regions-
##Mountains
###:Image:Indiahills.png and :Image:India topo big.jpg must be replaced by svg image,
### remove list of mountains, no mention of upper and middle himalays,  
##Indo-Gangetic plain-No mention of Bhabar and Khadar, Terai formation
##Highlands-Highest peak in Deccan plateau missing, Central highlands (Malwa) missing, eastern Meghalaya plateau and Karbi Anglong plateau missing
##East coast-No mention of Northern Circas
##West coast- Kachchh and Kathiawar coast in Gujrat, back waters in Kerela and presence of important ports missing
##Islands- 
###Andaman- seperation by 10 degree channel, barren island missing, largest island, no of inhabited island, longitudianal and latitudial extent, 
###Lakshwadeep- seperation by 11 degree channel, largest island, longitudianal and latitudial extent all are missing
# Natural disasters-Drought missing
#Natural resources-More data needed
#Missing parts-Soil, Natural vegetation and wildlife
#Overall-Lack of grammar, spellings, WP:MOS and must be writen in  prose form.
#To prevent further vandalism- semi-protection policy must be applied to the article
#Inline ciations missing
This was the initial observation. Further comments are expected to improve the quality of the article. Amartyabag  TALK2ME 04:53, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Attention all concerned Indian Wikipedians (Now in [[WP:FAR]] 

message: An article about a General who was Commander in chief of the Madras Army, namely Charles George Arbuthnot, has been listed by ElimintorJR for deletion.  If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Charles George Arbuthnot.  Thank you. - Kittybrewster  (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AfD nomination of [[Charles George Arbuthnot]] 

message: There is some problem with Infobox Indian Jurisdiction. For eg., see Mussoorie. The page shows this at the top of infobox: v • d • [ e]. 220.227.179.4 07:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction 

message: I dont exactly know how to spell in Hindi, so I am drawing attention to it. It seems it's Hindi spelling is wrong.  The hasha e should be on the la rathaer than the da.
Arnab3k 06:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Actually the issue is not with the article, but with the multilingual support on your computer. Please see Help:Multilingual support (Indic). I have added the the "Indic text" template to the page, so that future readers know about this issue. Can someone move the page to Kalidasa from Kālidāsa over the redirect, so that it complies with Wikipedia:Naming_conventions ? Abecedare 23:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kalidasa]] Hindi spelling wrong 

message: Please see my comments on Template talk:India-bio-stub. Same holds for :Template:India-hist-stub. It is almost ridiculous to have flags of the Republic of India on these templates. Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree Puting an Indian flag on every India related article is infra-dig. I propose that an image of Akbar or Ashoka (anyone of the great emperors) be used for bio and Ashoka Pillar be used for Indian history(see talk page for templates).--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there are no objections, someone has to go ahead and do it. Some of those templates are protected. Other places from where these flags must be removed include: 
*Template:India-academic-bio-stub
*Template:India-musician-stub
*Template:India-reli-bio-stub
*Template:India-writer-stub
*Template:India-econ-stub
*Template:India-film-stub
*Template:India-actor-stub
*Template:India-med-bio-stub
If there are any reasons I am missing for using the Republic of India flags for these much wider categories, they could be discussed, of course. deeptrivia (talk) 04:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian flags on irrelevant articles. 

message: There's been an RfC on this article for a while. It's India-related, so editors with some knowledge of the north-east might be interested. Hornplease 19:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[South Tibet]] 

message: Soon i'll try to nominate the page Himachal Pradesh for Featured article candidate. Most probably on 24th may.  12:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  HP FAC 

message: I just wanted to let you know that all Tamil Nadu task force articles are now tagged. I will move on to other task forces next, probably skipping around as questions arise. Please feel free to ask here, or on my talk if you have any questions. Ingrid 22:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For the cinema task force, I assume the top-level category is :Category:Indian films. Should all of the *-language subcategories be included? Ingrid 00:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: IMO, all except :Category:Urdu-language films can be included. Those can be manually tagged. I have left a note at WT:INCINE's talk page. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  article tagging progress 

message: Can someone knowledgeable please look into this article: BIMARU. It seems to have become a compalant department against the term. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 08:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Bimaru]] 

message: In my research on a brand name first made famous by Revlon Consumer Products Corporation, I encountered several references within your study area, for an Indian corporation with no ties whatsoever to Revlon or CVC Capital Partners.  Among the references found on a search on  Google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Natural+Wonder+Cosmetics%22+India:
*http://www.easy2source.com/supplier/29/14056/
*http://www.niir.org/directory/contact/88904/index.html
*http://www.naturalcosmeticsingredients.org/pages/natural-cosmetics-DELHI.html
*http://www.indyabiz.com/100.php?pass=ibl147661144128612
This firm is apparently headquartered at Delhi.  Please start an article on this firm. - B.C.Schmerker 02:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Requested article:  [[Natural Wonder Cosmetics]] 

message: Does this page have any value? They all have their own individual articles. I think that is enough and this article should be deleted. GizzaChat © 08:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree that the page is redundant. If someone puts in the effort to prod it, I will support deletion. By the way Gizza, did you mean to post this message on WT:HNB ? May have attracted more input there. Abecedare 18:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Oops, my mistake! I didn't notice that this is the INB for some strange reason. GizzaChat © 07:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Kausalya, Sumitra and Kaikeyi]] 

message: I have rewritten the page Himachal Pradesh. kindly check out the history of the page. thanks  12:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Done dana done done! 

message: Geography of India has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Geography of India FAR 

message: Can somebody do something about this article.  I have a vague recollection that it was deleted once.  It seems to have come back and I had put it up for speedy.  An admin has removed the tag today and offered no explanation. The article, atleast whatever is there now, is patent nonsense.  Sarvagnya 23:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Pandiyakula Kshatriya Nadars]] 

message: What are the copyright issues for Indian stamps, which tag should be used? There are many images of indian stamps with possibly wrong PD-tag! STTW (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Indian stamps are copyrighted. They cannot be used as fair-use. They are definitely not PD. There was a discussion about this before. I will try dig that from archives. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 16:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Pre 1947 stamps should be in PD. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Could somebody notify User:Bhadani (his talk page is protected) about  uploaded by him, which based on the above discussion should not be a PD. STTW (talk) 18:16, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Fair use is for when things are copyrighted, but you get to use them anyway. See WP:FUC. Ingrid 20:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The problem is with these images being used in biography articles. See Begum Hazrat Mahal. Fair-use does not apply in those cases. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 23:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Ragib's word on the subject, and a link to the relevant GOI policy, is here: . Note that if the release of the stamp itself is a significant event, or timed with a significant event, then Fair Use might be applicable, as long as it is discussed in the article. Hornplease 01:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: The exact policy for FU stamps is :"For identification of the stamp or currency, not its subject.". If anyone is interested, :Category:Fair use stamp images has a few Indian stamps and I encourage people to go through it to check they're used correctly. Hornplease 01:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think that's a little stronger than necessary. If the release of the stamp was notable, and can be referenced as such, then fair use permits use of the stamp as identification. Of course, this rules out "In 1995, the Post office issued a stamp" type lines. Hornplease 22:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: My conclusion is based on the vague definition of the FU stamps, which has resulted in the issue on stamps being discussed the third time over on this talk page. Perhaps someone could formulate a simple two sentence conclusion and have it mentioned on Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Indic-related articles) and be binding for all artilces under WP:IND. STTW (talk) 13:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the guideline as written is overly restrictive. But I don't think making an exception for India would be a good idea -- much better to update the guideline for everyon. Can you give me an example of a stamp issue that was notable, and an image would help illustrate the event? If so, I'll take it to the talk page (WT:FU) and see about updating the guideline. Ingrid 14:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian Stamps 

message: is this template fine. if you think so anything else can be added then kindly do add the links to the temp.  10:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Tempalate:Himachal Pradesh topics 

message: I have just created a stub about this unfortunate incident. Please update it as news starts trickling in. --Gurubrahma 09:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Renamed to 18 May 2007 Mecca Masjid bombing. Seems more appropriate, since initial title looks misleading (the whole city wasn't bombed :-P). Nishkid64 (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[18 May 2007 Hyderabad Bombing]] 

message: A large number of images sourced to the Indian government are about to be deleted en masse over the next few days, and the question has been raised as to what, if any, government photos, publications, etc. are considered to be in the public domain (à la the US govt.). The existing copyright and right to information laws do not clarify the issue. If anyone here is knowledgeable about the issue (and especially if you can provide a link to an authoritative reference source), please do so at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Images from Indian Government. Thanks, Askari Mark (Talk) 22:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Question on Indian government photographs and public domain 

message: It was suggested that rather than just a single , the numerous stubs with no other categories be placed in workgroup-related categories.  Looking at those WGs that have closely related stub categories, I can see the following possibilities:
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Any thoughts?  Alai 04:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Uncategorised Indian stubs 

message: I've noticed an needless abuse of the Indian emblem across many political-and non political-related pages. Please use the emblem sparingly. The emblem represents the Central Government of India, nothing else. For example, its use (templates or otherwise) in articles such as District Courts of India,   is certainly unwarranted. =Nichalp «Talk»= 10:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian emblem -- unnecessary usage 

message: I have nominated the page for FAC. Kindly leave your comments. thanks  11:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Himachal Pradesh- nominated for FAC 

message: Rail transport in India has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benjism89 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  FAR 

message: List of Indian cities on rivers -- interesting list just created, could do with an expansion. =Nichalp «Talk»= 19:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wouldn't a category like :Category:Indian cities on rivers do the job similar to :Category:Cities on the Great Lakes? Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  List of Indian cities on rivers 

message: I'm putting this archived discussion back here because it was not completed. deeptrivia (talk) 06:28, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree Puting an Indian flag on every India related article is infra-dig. I propose that an image of Akbar or Ashoka (anyone of the great emperors) be used for bio and Ashoka Pillar be used for Indian history(see talk page for templates).--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 05:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  If there are no objections, someone has to go ahead and do it. Some of those templates are protected. Other places from where these flags must be removed include: 
*Template:India-academic-bio-stub
*Template:India-musician-stub
*Template:India-reli-bio-stub
*Template:India-writer-stub
*Template:India-econ-stub
*Template:India-film-stub
*Template:India-actor-stub
*Template:India-med-bio-stub
If there are any reasons I am missing for using the Republic of India flags for these much wider categories, they could be discussed, of course. deeptrivia (talk) 04:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you think a general picture of an emperor could suffice for each stub type or would it be better if more specific and different images are added depending on the area, such Amitabh Bachchan for India-film-stub? Or we can remove the flags and not replace them with anything since I don't think a 20px image on each stub type would entice the reader to add information and improve the stub! GizzaChat © 09:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Each of this templates will have a different image, and using illustrations/cliparts to photos at 20px should be prefered. E.g., Template:India-sport-bio-stub looks pretty good, and Template:India-scientist-stub isn't bad either. On the other hand, Template:India-royal-stub is completely unclear and could probably have a image that's clearer at 20px. deeptrivia (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian flags on irrelevant articles. 

message: Editors with large number of DYKs are listed here. Anybody not listed may enter his record. - P.K.Niyogi 06:41, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  DYK 

message: The South Asian WikiProjects have been tremendously productive, which I congratulate you for, and I just wanted to let you know that we're very close to meeting the criteria for a Featured topic covering the countries of the region.  Please see Wikipedia talk:Featured topics#Great potential for South Asian countries featured topic.  Thanks.--Pharos 03:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Asian countries as a [[Wikipedia:Featured topic]] 

message: The article on the foodstuff imarti has been nominated for deletion, and the article on jangiri, which is apparently a related foodstuff, is not much better.  Input from experts would be appreciated. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Imarti]] and [[jangiri]] 

message: The next edition of the newsletter is due in May. In case there is a prolific editor around, I request you to create/ contribute to it. Please let me know on my talk page once done. I will help distribute it. — Lost(talk) 02:28, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Newsletter 

message: I have launched Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian portals in order to upgrade and improve the portals. If you wish to participate kindly add your name in the participants section.  12:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian portals]] 

message: This quote came out of Talk:Hinduism#Free speech but as the discussion was becoming more and more off-topic, I believe its pertinence lies here.
Also, moving somewhat off-topic, most articles in :Category:Genres of Indian art are pretty stubby: Rajput painting etc, and generally Indian art is not well covered. The current account at History of painting is not good either. Johnbod 12:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  State of [[Indian art]] articles 

message: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_general_election%2C_2009
i contested the speedy deletion but you guys have to help me in creating the article.plz add more information
: If you can create a good referenced article about this right now, it will be good. But IMO it is too early to create an article for this. Maybe some time in 2008 when parties will actually start to prepare for the general elections. - Aksi_great (talk) 08:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You would need to add *verifiable* and *credible* information. Just one sentence won't do. You can start about the estimated eligible electorate, changes proposed, technological changes (like the last one had introduced completely electronic voting). You can also mention that the constituencies have been redrawn. =Nichalp «Talk»= 11:21, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  help in creating 2009 general elections 

message: In India (and also most other common law countries), when writing the name of a case, it is usually written like this:
:S. R. Bommai v. Union of India
On Wikipedia, however, people seem to write it like this:
:S. R. Bommai vs. Union of India
That is, they use "vs." rather than "v." to abbreviate "versus".  Is this because of a special rule on Wikipedia?  If not, I would like to correct the names to the more standard way of writing them. -- Lexmercatoria 17:06, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Indian case names 

message: Two India-related Featured articles are Featured article removal candidate now —  Rail transport in India and Geography of India. the FARCs are here and here. Please help improve the articles so that the FA status can be retained. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Articles in [[WP:FARC|FARC]] 

message: In April, User:Xdamr had moved British East India Company to Honourable East India Company (HEIC) without any discussion on the talk page, saying that "HEIC was official name". User:John Kenney moved it back, but yesterday Xdamr again moved it to HEIC.
It seems that some historians (esp. those related to the Company) use "HEIC", but "English East India Company" or "British East India Company" are more commonly used terms. Even the Britannica article doesn't use HEIC.
Does anybody know more about this? Was "Honourable" a part of Company's official name or was it just a formal prefix? (like "His Excellency Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam" or "The Honourable the Commons of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in Parliament Assembled")
Discussion: Talk:Honourable East India Company#Title. utcursch | talk 05:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Honourable" East India Company 

message: Dabboo Ratnani needs a proper bio, an infobox, and of course a complete list of celebrities who appeared through the years on his famous calendar. The sample image from his calendar also needs more critical commentary with references. Aditya Kabir 22:35, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  This article needs help 

message: Please check out WP:PINQ. Thanks! --Gurubrahma 07:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  500th question on the India quiz! 

message: The template PD-India template as it stands is incorrect.  Under the S. 13(2) of the Copyright Act, the relevant criteria are that:
* The work was first published in India, or
* If the work was first published outside India, the author was a citizen of India when the work was made.
The first sentence should, therefore, read:
:This image was created by an Indian citizen or was first published in India, and is now in the public domain in India because its term of copyright has expired.
The phrase "is in the public domain in India" is important, because the photograph may continue to be protected by copyright in some countries. A full statement, like in Template:PD-US would be better.
I do not have editing rights for the template.  Could someone who does please make the change.  -- Lexmercatoria 13:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Since no objections were raised here, I have requested for it. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 15:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The new version proposed by Lexmercatoria sounds good.  I know that Nichalp had already changed the wording once last week(?) in response to my post here.  (And speaking of that discussion, (Nichalp and Aksi's queries) I did indeed mean publication, and not magazine.  Thanks.)  Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[:commons:Template:PD-India]] 

message: Hello,
I am currently trying to find out whether the article about Sandhan, a rock band from India, passes the notability criteria; and I would need help by someone who is familiar with music from India. If you can spare some time, please visit the article's talk page and post your comments there. Thank you! --B. Wolterding 12:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Notability of Sandhan