Talk:Turducken

message: We're not quite in medieval times yet, but the Yorkshire Christmas pie, which might well deserve its own article, pushes the turducken timeline back about a century before the rôti sans pareil.
Also, I wasn't able to incorporate this little tidbit in the article, but it's too good to pass up. Grimod de La Reynière cites the following humorous little tale from Les Étrennes de la Saint Jean, given below:
Il y avoit une fois un honnête Boucher, qui avoit bien plus d'argent que d'esprit, duquel il fit l'usage qui s'ensuit. On l'avoit invité de faire une Galanterie à sa Maitresse ; il rêva donc si long-tems, que le Mardi-Gras arriva ; comme il n'y avoit plus de tems à perdre, il imagina de lui envoyer un Bœuf, dans lequel il y avoit un Cochon, qui renfermoit un Veau, où étoit contenu un Mouton, où l'on avoit mis un Poulet - d'Inde, lequel contenoit un Chapon du Mans, garni en dedans d'une Bartavelle, où se trouvoit un Ortolan ; & ainsi toujours en diminuant, l'un dans l'autre, jusqu'à une petite Moviette, dans laquelle , pour finir, il avoit écrit un Billet de Déclaration, en ces termes : 
"Si le contenu du présent Billet est agréable à Mademoiselle, je préfererois la Moviette à l'Ortolan, Perdrix, Chapon, Dindon, Mouton, Veau & Cochon, & je m'estimerois plus heureux que ce Bœuf gras."
Les Étrennes de la Saint Jean. 1751. "Galanteries nouvelles d'un Marchand Boucher à sa Maîtresse." p. 122-123. 
Also, could someone more familiar with English cooking flesh out the paragraph on three-bird roasts? 198.189.164.204 (talk) 19:49, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Nested birds, old and new

message: The Turducken is now widely available in canada, so the last line of the first paragraph of this article needs to be changed, since it is no longer a dish only available in the Southern US.  See http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=1039709 for evidence of it's availability in canada.Mrleaffan (talk) 17:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: New Developments

message: I am surprised that no one has mentioned the popular introduction of the Turducken---long before John Madden--during the annual Thanksgiving broadcast of NPR's Morning Edition when it was hosted by Bob Edwards. Broadcast annually since 1993, was a fantasy "pot-luck" dinner hosted by Bob to which the invited Julia Childs, Wolfgang Puck, Meta Heater, Craig Claibourne and Paul Proudhomme. Each brought a course with the piece de resistance being Proudhomme's Turducken. Here is a link an NPR page for one of the broadcasts which, unfortunately, I was unable to play. Perhaps it is no longer live now that Edwards no longer hosts the show. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=857578----Gjpwhite 22:27, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: That's true but the Turducken is the most commonly seen combination.--Swuster 06:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: November 2006 discussions

message: --66.109.193.44 21:07, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The header could use some work, 

message: This comment belongs to talk untill ref is found.--Hq3473 03:22, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Medieval Time

message: Some anonymous editor keeps deleting mentions of turducken in popular culture. Why? Lots of other articles have pop culture sections, why shouldn't turducken? And it's not like the list was becoming unwieldly. --Htmlism 15:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I know it's a little late, but that's because Moore was the "another turkey". BioTube (talk) 00:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Popular Culture 

message: With that said, is there a chance that one of you turducken aficionados could take a cross-section photo the next time you prepare on of these delicious looking beasts? Alas I have not been able to have one yet (and can't cook worth a damn, this looks like an advanced dish).  --A Good Anon 01:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I just found and bought a pre-assembled one of these monstrosities locally, and I'll do my best to get some decent pics of it when I get the nerve and time to actually cook it. I've already got a good photo of it wrapped in it's packaging but clearly visible, if anybody thinks that that would be a worthy addition. - Pacula 04:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Added a nice cross-section photo of a roasted and quartered turducken to the article. This wasn't the only photo I took, but seemed to be the clearest in terms of showing the layers. - Pacula 21:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  the picture makes this article 

message: According to Black Table, this was once a reference: http://www.blacktable.com/turducken031217.htm. I don't see it in edit history/or any discussion about it. (Was it here and deleted?).  I think it would make a better EL than a ref, but I do not know much about turducken.-Cindery 23:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: what happened to the Black Table reference?

message: Probably for good reason, too. What I wanted to fix is "commerical", toward the end of an early paragraph. (Please delete this once it's fixed.)
Regards,
nb
Nikevich 00:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Couldn't edit the page 

message: Completely fake. The only reference presented for this section bears no mention whatsoever of emus being used for food, left alone 'emuturducken'. A google search presents only a handful of hits, all of which refer back to this article. I'll delete it. If anyone objects, feel free to reinstate it and provide some better references and/or reasoning.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaos95 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Emuturducken 

message: Unfortunately, I don't have time to edit this right now, but I just want to point out that we need a reference to gluttony here.  For lots of folks, just mentioning Turducken provokes a gag-reflex -- not so much because of the flavors -- but because of the orgiastic excess.  I'll try to add something once things calm down in a couple of months, but it would be even better if some else could take care of it by writing a sentence or two sooner (especially before Thanksgiving!)!
Orgiastic Excess, you got it in one, that's exactly how I feel about Turducken. It's ridiculous. -dhymers  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.164.248.143 (talk) 15:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: This article talk page is for discussing improvements to the article, not for general discussion of the article's topic. - SummerPhDv2.0 02:32, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gluttony 

message: A lot of "junk" seemed to be added in this section today.  I'd like to see references for these, otherwise I think they should be removed because some of them sound like nonsense, which were added by unregistered editors.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 23:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There's been some unsupported nonsense in this article for about two years, judging by the history. I think somebody was taking the piss and now the names they made up are on blogs and other websites. Not all of them, though. They need to be eliminated if they cannot be sourced. --Dhartung | Talk 00:27, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

text: The Roti Sans Pareil does have references for its existance - I listed some.  The Bloomsbury article was the first to conclusively state that the last bird was Garden Warbler (others listed it as a "bec-figue"), so I reasoned they had found it independantly and been able to do further research on it.  Prior to the Bloomsberry article, the WP article referred to the last bird as a "passerine" (the best translation of "bec-figue" I could find) - so any article which uses the word bec-figue has been sourced from elsewhere than the WP article.  Some other sources: http://www.christmas-time.com/ct-poet.htm  http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2004/12/19/story1026.asp   It has also been mentioned in UK national newspapers prior to the WP article.  The "Bustergophe.." name is not sourced, but is only "made up" in the sense that I applied the same rule used to generate the name "Turducken" to the new data.  Although it is an amusing fact, I was not "taking the piss". Hyphz (talk) 04:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Honestly the whole section should be deleted as the varied stuffed animal within an animal did not originate from the 20th century dish known as a Turducken.  Turducken could be argued as a variation of these other dishes prepared in the the Roman empire banquets as well as the Middle Ages.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Variations

message: Admittedly, i only skimmed this article as it's unbelievably technical. But alas, there seems to be no clear explanation as to what turducken is. I can only imagine  it is some combination of turkey and duck.76.106.33.90 (talk) 03:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: You should probably read the article defining and outlining this culinary phenomenon, rather than just skimming it, then asking stupid questions.  ---Dorfner (talk) 19:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Or maybe people edited the article, somewhere between the 9 months I posted that comment and you insulted me, to explain what turducken is?76.106.33.90 (talk) 20:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: So what is turducken?

message: Though detailed, nothing in the pop culture sections amounts to much more than "the turducken appears occasionally in popular culture." It seems far too trivial for inclusion here. I propose removing it, though I see above there may be some strong opinion against that. Please comment. Cmprince (talk) 03:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  removal of pop culture section 

message: The current link to the BBC yields a 404, and a search of the site does not reveal the linked page.
An alternate, also UK link is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-502605/It-serves-125-takes-hours-cook-stuffed-12-different-birds---really-IS-Christmas-dinner.html which discusses the funky tradition in detail.Guavagirl 04:47, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Update External Links

message: "A traditional Bedouin ceremonial feast features a roasted dinner of eggs stuffed into chickens stuffed into a goat or lamb stuffed into a camel. Having never seen this dish and there being a shortage of camels in Maine, the recipe won’t be included here."
Reference - http://www.portlandphoenix.com/food/other_stories/documents/05122925.asp
Non copyrighted Re-write:
Other multi-animal roasts are known to exist.  One Bedouin ceremonial tradition involves a camel stuffed with a goat or lamb, stuffed with a chicken, stuffed with an egg.  For lack of a proper name, we will go with Cam-go/la-chi-gg.
This would be a rather interesting additional thread to this article.  
Sorry for the techno crudeness, this is my first wiki interaction.
--polishsausag
Polishsausag (talk) 16:32, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Additional multi-animal roasts 

message: Reference [7] on this page may be cyclic; the content of the referenced link shows strong signs of having been duplicated from an earlier version of the Wikipedia article. Hyphz (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Cyclic reference

message: I don't see why it says the outer Turkey is de-boned.  That may be the cause, but not always, and not even in the picture shown at top (unless they somehow removed the bones, while leaving the skin intact).  --Rob (talk) 03:46, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: They are deboned as it would otherwise be a nightmare to carve. I assume the pics all show deboned birds (except wingtips). Efficacious (talk) 21:41, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why de-boned 

message: This evening I was served Turducken for the first time and after a near-fatal ingestion of toxic substance, I came here to wikipedia to find out if there was any possiblity that I might have been warned about the presence of toxic material in the Turducken.  I found no such warning here, and believe the article should include mention of the fact that at least in some commercially-prepared Turducken, the internal organs such as liver, heart, kidneys, gizzards and testicles are included in the "stuffing", so the notion that it's a simple matter of a bird within a bird within a bird is inaccurate.  The foul, inedible and toxic organs of these dead animals are also included in the recipe.  Luckily I survived as I have a well-developed gag-reflex and was able to spew the foul stuff out of my mouth before I actually swallowed it, but the next person may not be so lucky.  I think a warning to anyone foolish enough to try to eat this gastronomic frankenstein ought be be given so as to provide unwitting gluttons at least a fighting chance at survival.Jonny Quick (talk) 06:44, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Include Warning about Toxic Substances Found Within Turducken 

message: Should be changed to "body cavity".  The birds' viscera have been removed.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1280:21EA:ECE7:8D0C:C672:4B45 (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gastric Passage 

message: This isn't a traditional English term. I'm English, 60 years old, and I've never heard of it. There is a tradition of cooking one bird within another but these ridiculous American neologisms are never used, even by restauranteurs or marketers (as potential customers would never have heard of them). Commercial three bird roasts sold by supermarkets are duck, chicken and turkey. --Ef80 (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
replies: text: The only ref supporting this appears to be a single lightweight lifestyle piece from 2004 which is behind a paywall anyway. --Ef80 (talk) 20:29, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gooducken in lead 

message: Why does this section have an "In physics" paragraph? While I highly value the field of study, I wouldn't categorise it as a "popular culture" topic. May need to move this part? FiReSTaRT (talk) 15:47, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  In popular culture