Draft talk:Kupala

message: In Ukraine there is a holiday called Ivana Kupala. I'm not sure about the date. On that day people bring some water to a church along with a willow branch to have them baptized. I don't the reason behind a willow. There's also a dance and a song that go along with the celebration. --Grigoryev 04:11, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
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message: ""Kupala" is derived from the same Indo-European root as the name of Cupid, Roman god of love, which means 'passion' or 'desire'"
Why would Slavs EVER name their festivals, celebrations after some "roman" god? What an occult lie is this? There is even no similar word in Slavic about "desire" -kupo, cupo; regards to "Kupido/Cupido"...
Kupala derives from Slavic (ONLY) Kupat; "to bath" and Pali which means "to burn" (in the Solstice sun); "bathing in the sun".
According to the Russian article there was never such a goddess as Kupala in actual ancient Slavic mythology, it was derived at some later point from the name of the holiday Day of Ival Kupala (John the Baptist). Here goes some of my basic knowledge from being Russian mixed with my speculations, just for the understanding how it (might) came to be: apparently it all starts with an ancient slavic holiday at the longest day in the year, which original name is unknown, then the Church came and attempted to take control of it by renaming it to Day of Ivan Kupala (John the Baptist). A lot of original tradition remained though, especially the part with bathing as it mixed quite well with the new name of the holiday (as mentioned before, Kupala literaly means bather). And either from the start the Church's grip on the holiday was week, or it was lost at some later point in time, but eventually people returned to seeing it more as a traditional slavic holiday rather than a christian one (at least it is so nowadays... or at least this is my impression of it). But the original slavic name and many original traditions were already lost, and so some of them were reinvented. This is how the holiday got from Ivan Kupala's Day to just Kupala's (bather's) Day and the night before it to Купальская Ночь, Kupala's Night, but not as in "night in honor of some saint who was known as Kupala", and more as in "Night before Kupala", which shows how Kupala became understood as the name of this day rather than an epithet for John the Baptist. And apparently from this understanding and knowing how originally it was a traditional Slavic holiday people came to conclusion that it must have been a day of honoring a Slavic goddess by the name Kupala. Cause like just 100 years ago a common peasant couldn't even read, so naturally they ofen came to conclusions that are far from reality. Which reality is that the original name and many traditions of this holiday was lost. Note that, as I said before, all that info is just from my head and half of it is just speculations, so probably it's not much more reliable than those illiterate peasants. But my point was to illustrate how it is possible that the belief that Kupala was a traditional Slavic goddess is actually a more modern one and wasn't actually believed by ancient Slavs themselves. Hope it can motivate someone to dig deeper and improve the article to include this fact, possibly with some sourses better than just this wall of text out of my head. 178.166.207.114 (talk) 15:05, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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