Talk:No-carbohydrate diet

message: Low importance C-class article on controversial diet.
The article needs attention to:
* Apparent NPOV
* Possible OR
* Uncited or improperly cited sources
--Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 02:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  WPFood assessment 

message: Yea I looked at the old carnivorism page (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carnivorism&oldid=146752687). The problem both with that page and mine is that the entire concept is summarized but not explained in detail, im just too lazy to meticulously detail and site everything, the people i created this page for were already looking for it in the first place, its here because theres almost no easily found information on this on the internet, even though its in my opinion one of the most important subjects to begin with. Basically what I did was give a summary so I could link all the other documents about it on one page, I personally cannot make unbiased revisions to this page considering im a zealot to this diet and it changed my life, soo if someone less passionate or less biased could take up the burden of organizing this that'd be great, although to completely explain all the biological background behind this reasoning would take quite a bit of space. I'm pleasantly surprised though that someone already attempted to put this on here before, although i disagree about dairy being an acceptable part of zero carb, except for butter, mostly due to the extremely unbalanced calcium-magnesium ratio which in the long run compromises your bone density and tooth health among many other things.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.81.102 (talk) 06:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Organization 

message: Whoever put the section about the Inuit having high cardiovascular disease in, im deleting it because the tests were performed on Inuit after they were introduced to modern carbohydrate diet, aka these were modern inuit not traditional carb-free population, thus the result is nullified, the inuit are apparently even more sensitive to a high-carb diet than for example a middle-eastern man would be since they have had no exposure to agricultural foods, thus they suffer even higher rates of disease when introduced to such foods, and NO INCIDENCE OF CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE when staying on a zero carb, salt free diet which is their traditional way
:Instead of deleting sourced information, please expand the explanation, making sure it is properly sourced. Please also remember to sign your comments. OccamzRazor (talk)  —Preceding comment was added at 00:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inuit Health 

message: This section is a little unfair as it skips over the fact that studies performed regarding aerobic performance while on a low carb diet were incredibly flawed. Primarily, the study duration was only 1 week and it has been scientifically shown that it takes upwards of a month for the human body to full adapt to a low/no carb diet. There have been more modern studies done that observe professional athletes in a metabolic ward over the course of several weeks that show endurance drops during the first few weeks and then returns to the previous levels once adaptation is complete. The VO2 max is only about 80%, however, which affects things like weight lifting and sprinting, but this is already mentioned in the article, citing a lack of glycogen.
A more impartial view would be to present these studies as a timeline of scientific inquiry into ketogenic dieting, highlighting that the earlier studies were flawed and more modern studies have 'debunked' these findings (except for anaerobic performance. That part still holds). Will add sources to these studies soon...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.139.220 (talk) 19:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Research on effects of no-carbohydrate diet 

message: I read the article (the link might be broken, i had to use a search engine but it might have been my browser) and I can't understand exactly how it is an example of a "No-Carbohydrate Diet" or a "100% meat" or a "carnivorous" diet to serve as an example of said diets reversing diabetes. It belongs in a diabetes article, not here in my opinion, as Carey doesn't seem to follow any of these specific diets and the article doesn't expicitly mention any medical explanation for the reversal of his diabetes (which if it did and there was a relation, i'd be ok with).
Furthermore, the link mentions "diabetes" and AFAIK acquired diabetes such as Carey's is not the only form of diabetes, hence it doesn't present an generic example of diabetes reversal, rather an example of acquired health problems reversed by a change of diet.
2.85.18.175 (talk) 19:05, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  the Drew Carey example 

message: The weight of the scientific evidence is clearly against this type of diet, and this section should reflect that. It's possible to find a few sparse studies showing just about anything; real conclusions need to be confirmed with mountains of data, and with regards to diet, high carbohydrate, low-fat, plant-based diets are healthiest for human bodies. This section needs to include research on the myriad harmful effects associated with animal product consumption, and what basing one's diet completely on these foods can do. This is a fad diet, and one of the more harmful sort.
99.249.253.105 (talk) 22:06, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Criticism Section in Serious Need of Expansion 

message: http://www.livestrong.com/article/386127-the-health-risks-of-no-carbs/  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.205.55.139 (talk) 16:44, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Negative Health Effects of No-Carb Diet 

message: Because it doesn't exist, or when it does "exist" it is a badly formulated diet. I've been doing that diet for months and there have been no ill effects. --194.219.233.1 (talk) 17:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  I'll tell you why the "evidence" it's bad is scarce. 

message: Insulin resistance is the primary feature of Type 2 diabetes. The usual course of the disease involves many years of high blood sugar readings, frequently in spite of positive changes in diet and exercise. Corresponding to this gradual increase in insulin resistance, patients with type 2 diabetes are usually prescribed ever-increasing dosages and types of medications in an attempt to keep their blood sugar readings under control, usually culminating in the administration of increasing amounts of insulin into fatty tissue sites on the body. Along the way, the liver and kidneys are at risk for their own problems.
There seems to be no alternative for patients with type 2 diabetes, since without treatment the disease can rapidly progress to retinal damage and loss of vision (neuropathy) and reduced blood circulation with the loss of one or more limbs, usually the feet. Left untreated, disorders of various organs may occur, followed by death.
Some qualified doctors with a background in metabolic disorders state that the primary cause of morbid obesity, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, and perhaps circulatory diseases in modern society is due to the great abundance of high carbohydrate foods available in restaurants and supermarkets, and chosen as primary food sources by most of the population (with those eating the diets highest in carbohydrate suffering the most from these disorders).
These doctors help their patients by prescribing very low carbohydrate and high fat diets to induce ketosis, which, after an initial period of change of metabolism, has been reported as reversing insulin resistance and the disorders that flow from it. Administrated insulin then can be reduced and eliminated, resulting in freedom from worry about the progression of symptoms described above. While this is NOT a cure for diabetes type 2, those patients who maintain a ketogenic diet on their own after treatment do not experience a remission of symptoms so long as the diet is continued.
Note 1: although I had the time to write the above preliminary text, someone else, preferably a qualified doctor, should edit this into the article, so that the main reason people adopt this diet is included in the article. As it is, the article is missing its main part.
Note 2: the current set of articles on ketogenic, low-carb, and no-carb diets makes little sense. The reason most people reduce their carbohydrate intake has been explained above. I would recommend that, eventually, these three articles be replaced by one article on ketogenic diet that separately considers its historic use to treat epilepsy and its current use to treat morbid obesity and diabetes. David Spector (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Sounds dubious. Sources are needed and they must be WP:MEDRS. Alexbrn (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Missing: reversal of insulin resistance