Talk:Ray Lewis

message: I am concerned about this being in the infobox and my concerns extend to a general problem with the way "achievement clubs" are portrayed on here.  Much like the 40/40 club in baseball and such - this "club" doesn't really exist.  There is no award or organization that sanctions it and it is more just a way of identifying certain achievements by a player.  Fans are more intent on this than anything else.  I think it is certainly worth inclusion here and in wiki in general, but as it is currently misrepresented - i think we should kill it from the box.  Any objections? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat  05:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you. I would not really mind removing it, but couldn't it be mentioned in a "See Also" section? Maybe it would be better as a category. --ShadowJester07 ► Talk  12:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No. I disagree. It is an achievement. It isn't awarded, but it's certainly a goal. Don't forget that the person who proposed this was a sock puppet that got blocked and deleted from Wikipedia entirely.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.46.148 (talk) 11:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: 20/20 Club in infobox

message: So I'm trying to do what was discussed in the previous section. What User:Jmfangio (who has subsequently been banned) undid is making it extremely difficult to execute without mod assistance. Essentialy, what I'm trying to do:
* MOVE Ray Lewis to Ray Lewis (disambiguation)
* MOVE Ray Lewis (American football) to Ray Lewis 
* Update appropriate links and redirects
Because a page currently exists at Ray Lewis (disambiguation), I can't move Ray Lewis there. I tried to change its name hoping it would vacate the spot, but that didn't work. Using Redirects to accomplish this would be sloppy. 
Any help will be appreciated. Thanks. --mc machete 01:36, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: definitely needs to be done once someone figures out how to do it. 149.79.35.227 17:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mod Help 

message: Who on earth said Ray Lewis was Jewish?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.2.209.248 (talk) 02:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Jew?

message: I deleted all the gay-jokes/references on the page. Someone had added multiple "Gayest Player" and "Butt Pirate" sort of reference, I just cleaned them up.  155.68.69.217 (talk) 19:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Gay Jokes

message: Ray lewis was never convicted of Murder, so why is he labeled as a "Murdered and National Football Player" in the Intro?...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.42.192.4 (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It's vandalism. Feel free to be bold and remove it. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 20:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Don't know how to EDIT out that area of the article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.42.192.4 (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Murderer?

message: Please add notation a citation is needed after the statement that he is an accomplished businessman.  (The only example is that he had a restaurant which closed.)  Tinman44 (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've reworded it to a more NPOV tone. Josh Parris 01:55, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Citation Needed

message: Please change "which will race both cars and trucks" to "which, however, is not a current racing team under any NASCAR series." make "NASCAR series" a link to the following Wikipedia page (of current NASCAR teams) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_TeamsTinman44 (talk) 21:30, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I've adjusted those sentences to reflect the cited sources I've inserted. Josh Parris 03:17, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: S&L Racing

message: I'm helping revitalize an article about Kathleen High School (Lakeland, Florida). There is no reference in this article about Ray Lewis playing all four high school years for Kathleen High School where his father also is an alumnus. There is a link on the Kathleen High School article that references Ray Lewis as an alumnus. I really think this additional information to this article will help boost the reference to his high school page. His Early Life section on his official website references his high school football.Will Danner IV (talk) 12:57 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)
:If someone can provide a source that says he went to high school there, we could add that to either the intro or the beginning of the "playing career" section. Thatotherperson (talk) 21:19, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
replies: text:  I have added it to "early life". I used both your reference and the one from nfl.com (some might complain about the mkrobsports being too "bloggy", so I added the NFL link as a "CYA" thing). VictorianMutant (talk) 08:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  High School Football

message: Section headings are supposed to follow the same principles as article titles. The current title fails several of these criteria:
* Recognizability – Baker and Lollar are not recognizable names and using the word "tragedy" makes it unclear what happened to them.
* Naturalness – This phrase is not used by reliable sources to describe these incidents.
We should look for the common name for these events.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree with you on both points.  I changed it from "Arrest for murder" because the section is about broader events than that, and he ended up only dealing with obstruction of justice.  How about if we just titled it 'Obstruction of justice'?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 20:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: From a Search engine test it looks like "Murder trial" is name most frequently used by reliable sources.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 21:12, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

text: The names are not recognizable, and his arrest/indictment for their murder is very recognizable.  He is the only person with a conviction involving these two peoples murder.  The title for this section should be arrest or indictment for murder.  That is factual, accurate, and recognizable.Fodient (talk) 00:51, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

text: In the absence of any argument against "Murder Trial" I'll make that the section title.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 00:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I just changed it to "Murder charges" because, legally speaking, Ray Lewis never went to trial for murder.  The two other men did, but Ray Lewis took a plea deal and never faced trial.  I believe use of the word "murder" keeps the section recognizable, but makes it more accurate to Lewis himself.  ~~EventHorizon47~~  — Preceding unsigned comment added by EventHorizon47 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: That is not correct.  Lewis was one of the defendants for the first two weeks of the trial before his plea bargain.--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Cool. May want to consider making that clearer in the text of the article itself, which just says there was a plea bargain. I assumed the bargain was brokered before trial ever started, which is more common.  Digging into the references clears things up though.  Thanks for clarification.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.167.77 (talk) 04:42, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Title of ''Obstruction of justice in Baker and Lollar tragedy'' section 

message: Ray Lewis was named #4 on the Top 100:Players of 2011.
96.247.145.192 (talk) 14:22, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Do you have sources for these? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:33, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request from , 13 November 2011 

message: There's a typo on the page. Search for "deflections,safety" (or ",s"). I can't fix it because the page is locked. Mikeyk009 (talk) 16:02, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: . Station1 (talk) 21:13, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  typo on page 

message: Add the 2012 pro bowl to his career achievements section
and his total career tacles are wrong. i believe its 1,272 tackles
also he has a record 13 pro bowls for a linebacker
Sedna13 (talk) 02:00, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Please make your request specific as per the template--Jac16888 Talk 02:06, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 28 December 2011 

message: Content has been significantly vandalized and should be rolled back to accurate version.
Acornwa (talk) 15:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Could you provide a link to the accurate version? ⋘HueSatLum ? ❢⋙ 20:20, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

text: Partly done: I have changed one section header to a more accurate and less volatile one. There's been no vandalism that I can see, and little editing of the article going back as far as July, other than the addition of a paragraph about his surgery and some re-ordering of the content. Please provide more details so that we can identify where the problem is, because I don't see it at present. Thanks. -- Dianna (talk) 16:38, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 22 December 2012 

message: There's a spelling error on the page. In the infobox it says "looses" where it should say "loses". I can't fix it because the page is locked. Encaenmi (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spelling error 

message: As of January 6, Ray Lewis is playing for Baltimore, suited and on the field of play. This means that as long as he is playing, presumably as long as the post season continues, he is an active player and not a former player.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.100.242 (talk) 19:38, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Former?  

message: I can't edit this page for some reason, however, this source may help improve the murder trial section: http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.161.123.128 (talk) 15:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Murder Trial Source 

message: I would like to edit the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Legacy section as follows.
CURRENT verbiage:  "Lewis has been referenced in television shows such as The Wire, films such as The Rundown, and in music videos, such as in Mario's "Just a Friend 2002" and Nelly's "Heart of a Champion".
PROPOSED verbiage:  "Lewis has been referenced in television shows such as Law & Order ("Asterisk", Season 13, Episode 8; "The Sixth Man", Season 15, Episode 16) and The Wire, films such as The Rundown, and in music videos, such as in Mario's "Just a Friend 2002" and Nelly's "Heart of a Champion".
: Not done for now: Please provide a reference for the Law and Order Asterisk part. The cast list on IMDb didn't show Ray Lewis, so I can't make the change until you provide one. Vacation9 12:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Edit request to Legacy section

message: Already listed as retired? I thought since the Brett Favre debacle it was decided not to make the changes until the retirement papers are submitted.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1010:B10A:E451:5A4A:9B96:5BC4:4CDC (talk) 04:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree he should not be listed as retired until he submits his papers, and they are accepted, and filed, by the NFL.  Until then he is still a member of the Baltimore Ravens, as they still have him under contract!--Subman758 (talk) 01:24, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Retirement

message: The article currently says He has six children by four women (four boys and two girls). The parenthetical is out of place, seeming to describe the women rather than the children. I propose instead something like He has six children (four boys and two girls) by four women. -65.26.194.87 (talk) 05:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request to personal life section 

message: Ray Lewis is not married. Please remove "he is married"
108.15.18.155 (talk) 02:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.— Deontalk 13:26, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on 23 June 2013 

message: This source is outdated and now links to the frontpage of Sports Illustrated. The citation is not only worthless to the article in that is doesn't validate the information it is supposed to validate, but also detracts from the article by offering misleading information. The information pertaining to this source is also highly questionable, one year is a relatively light sentence for obstruction of justice.  67.164.188.243 (talk) 00:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Done Updated the URL to link to a archived version of this source on the wayback machine. Couldn't seem to find another source that said both his sentence and that this was the maximum sentence, so settled for the archived source. Cannolis (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit request on October 16, 2014 to Delete or Revise Source #48 

message: I can't edit the article since it is semi-protected, but I do feel that the information is a bit biased. It really only mentions evidence against him, such as the missing suit, Baker's blood being found in the limousine, the fact that he had recently bought a knife, etc. But it neglects to mention that basically every witness said that Lewis was in the limo screaming at his friends to get inside: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/remembering-the-ray-lewis-controversy/
Also, there was a very good chance that the judge would have thrown out the case had Lewis not taken the plea deal: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2000-06-07/news/0006070296_1_lewis-oakley-cognac/2
And, perhaps most importantly, this page says "No other suspects have been arrested for the crime." This sentence implies the crime remains unsolved. The fact is, it is solved. A jury found that Sweeting and Oakley had killed the two men in self defense:
http://www.artclu.com/crew/bfoley/lawscope/index.cfm?L1=news&story=10&pg=1
By almost all witness accounts, Ray Lewis saw a fight break out and immediately ran for his limo because he didn't want to risk his NFL career. He desperately tried to get his entourage to come into the car with him, but he was largely unsuccessful, and Sweeting and Oakley ended up killing the two people in self defense, although they didn't seem too ashamed of it. He told them to be silent, deny everything, etc., and when questioned, he did nothing but lie to the police because he didn't want to admit any culpability. The reason why Ray Lewis' suit was missing is because it was probably covered in blood, thanks to Sweeting and Oakley, you know, killing guys, and Lewis tried to hide the evidence. Same explanation for why Baker's blood was in Lewis' limo. But still, only one witness will say he saw Lewis actively involved in the fight, and the witness is an admitted con artist who is later imprisoned (see Grantland article). Please include some of these facts, or at least emphasize that Sweeting and Oakley were found not guilty by self defense.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.135.100.105 (talk) 01:06, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Edit Request for Murder trial 

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message: In 2015, Ray Lewis published I Feel Like Going On and became a New York Times best-selling author.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Troy Black (talk • contribs) 20:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publications 

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message: state the duration of his recovery and how. he came back from a torn tricep in 5 weeks due to antler spray... .... ...... 2605:E000:3DA3:4400:5D6A:8FA:8A8D:D070 (talk) 08:11, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lizard (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2018 

message: The intro is written in a very inflammatory way implying he is responsible for the stabbings. Consider rewording. Casual including his legal issues among his football career and accolades is just bad writing structure. It should be included in a separate section or at least separate paragraph rather than casual in the middle. Sloppy.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.174.214.53 (talk) 19:04, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
replies: text: Shannon Sharpe is precisely right. He's guilty as can be but his money and noteriety let him get away with it, just like the Clintons. 70.161.8.90 (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
thread_title: Inflammatory lead

message: Says he led the league in tackles 5 times.  I think it was 3 times. He didn't lead the NFL in 2003 and 2004. 199.192.67.251 (talk) 19:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:45, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2021 

message: Ray Lewis was  a murderer 50.26.144.41 (talk) 17:15, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ray 

message: I just watched the 30 for 30 doc called Bullies of Baltimore and in it Lewis talks about how his fave movie is Gladiator and that it greatly affected his playing persona and outlook on life. Might be of interest to add into the 'personal life' section. Watson1234567 (talk) 03:24, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
thread_title:  Add info about gladiator