Talk:Southeastern United States

message: I would suggest changing the '10 largest metropolitan areas' to perhaps a list of 'important cities/places' because the inclusion of states such as Texas or other 'maybe southeastern' states skews the list and shifts focus from where it needs to be.--70.174.11.120 14:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  10 largest metropolitan areas' 

message: There is a defined southeast. It is defined by the US Census Bureau. http://www.census.gov/geo/www/us_regdiv.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.65.203 (talk) 23:11, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  What defines the Southeastern United States? 

message: I have made a proposal to change the colour of the map box, please see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. regions --Qirex 05:37, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Colours and appearance

message: I am currently making an attempt to correct information and add-to this article.  Assistance is welcome as long as it is NPOV.  POV of certain issues concerning this geographical region is not a part of what this article should be.  Remember people from around the globe read this and should leave this article with pleasant thoughts.  --Bookofsecrets 04:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Corrections and Additions 

message: The article lists Virginia, but it is blank on the map as well as Kentucky, West Virginia, and Maryland. Virginia should be on the map solid dark red. Kentucky, West Virginia, and Maryland should be on the map striped.
Please if Virginia should go on there then so should Kentucky, excluding the other "border states" Louisvillian 23:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Virginia and the map

message: The Southeast to me was just an alternative name to the term "The South". With the suffix "east" being tagged along it seems that it is moreso limiting the extension west than North which is what this map is indicating. "I've" noticed that alot of buisness's use the term "Southeast" rather then the "the South". And in those definitions it always includes Va, Ky, TN, NC, SC, GA, FL, AL, LA, & AR. Tx and Ok being so west are probably 8/10 the states that are dropped from the label. Kentucky and Virginia for some strange reason are absent from the map. While not absent from the Bell South Definition  and the World Book definition, and countless cultural references to the region. 74.128.200.135 19:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I actually like the Atlanta concept, I believe that had been mentioned earlier.  The Google link just shows the variety of definitions here.  Even the Encarta link that I have on the page currently includes Arkansas, which it was generally agreed, being west of the Mississippi, is not really SE.  The American Heritage Dictionary, definition at [], defines the region as "generally including Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida."  Those are definitely the core states.  In my experience, lots of companies use a definition like this one - [] Personally, I would not include states west of the Mississippi (part of Louisiana, all of Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma) nor states north of the Missouri Compromise Line (Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia, and Maryland.)  That's just stretching it a bit too much, and risking simply duplicating the South page.
--Gator87 04:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I like that map personally and I think that definition is the best one, but I'll wait to see what others say.  If there aren't any objections in a week or so, I'll upload it and switch the map on the page to it.
--Gator87 02:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I think LA should not be included, but otherwise I think that map is the best, if we have to have a map that marks states as unconditionally included or excluded. There is probably a reason why the Encarta map does not do this. --JWB 15:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: I'm aware that some definitions, and some businesses, do include states on the periphery of the Upper South in a "Southeast" definition, but the point here was to generate a consistent approach that includes the most frequently included states.  There is no controversy in the current list - nor do I (or others, apparently) believe the current list to be inadequate - because nobody could ever argue that the states listed aren't Southeastern.  For example, I'm certain that some mercurial definitions of "Southeast" even would include Texas and Oklahoma, but that isn't the point.  Because there is such a proliferation of definitions of the region, I would support going with the current list, because otherwise, in the name of inclusion, we would have to add caveats for every state in the broader South, and then we arrive exactly back at where we were - a dumbed down version of the Southern United States page.
--Gator87 02:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Since the clear majority seems in favor of the new definition, I uploaded the map created by anon. user 70.106.129.196 and changed this page to it.  This map does not include TX, OK, or AR at all, and only includes LA as marginal/periphery "Southeast", as most of the state is west of the Mississippi.  No states north of the Missouri Compromise Line are included, as was the case in the old map.
--Gator87 18:41, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, no.  The article is sourced via Encarta in the very first paragraph, and the old map did not include states north of the Missouri Compromise Line.  Another editor (an anon IP) suggested the new map twice, and I and another editor (JWB) supported it as the best map to reflect the discussion.  As far as I can see, you're the only person intent on including states north of the 36'30 line in the map, other than one user who stated earlier that Virginia might be included.
--Gator87 02:31, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I think an unshaded/unboundaried map (like the topo map in Encarta) (or no map at all) would be even better, to keep this from coming up repeatedly. Focusing on states as being definitely in or out is going to continue to be a source of conflict. Another alternative, if we had enough data, and if it was not considered "original research", would be a map showing roughly how often particular states or cities are included; for example, of the 6 articles currently in the Examples section, 2 include Kentucky. --JWB 04:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: What is the Southeast?

message: The source I'm mentioning is available here - http://www.metroatlantachamber.com/macoc/business/img/alookatatlanta.pdf .
I have removed the source for the moment because an editor had inaccurately quoted it (likely because he disagreed with its views, in which case I'm not sure why he posted it.)  I have no problem in using this source on the page, because it DOES include a good definition of the Southeast on page 6, which includes the states of FL, GA, AL, MS, NC, SC, and TN.  It makes no mention of Kentucky, Virginia, or other states on the periphery of the Upper South.  User Louisvillian referred to a map on page 7 as including Kentucky in Atlanta's "primary impact zone", whatever that is.  This map is nothing more than a flight distance map and makes no claim of represting the Southeast - again, the Southeast is defined in this document on page 6, not via the map on page 7.  If were are going to include this source, we should reference the clearly laid out definition on page 6.  I see that another editor has been making the same point, but I'd like more than a 2-1 consensus on that in order to avoid another edit war.
Furthermore, user Louisvillian had stated in his edits that "Kentucky is in the primary impact zone of Atlanta."  Not true.  People in the state's population centers are definitely closer geographically to Chicago than Atlanta for the most part, and from personal experiences I know that they will tend to travel to the cultural/shopping facilities in one of these cities over Atlanta's, just as people in Virginia will prefer Washington DC's amenities over Atlanta's.
--Gator87 10:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree (full disclosure, I'm the other editor making the same point that Gator87 refers to). The map on page 7 makes no claims about defining the Southeastern U.S. -- it is nothing more than an illustration of distances to Atlanta. However, page 6 does make an explicit claim about the Southeast. older ≠ wiser 12:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Atlanta Chamber of Commerce source 

message: Why is Jacksonville, which has been consolidated with Duval County since the early 70's not considered a 'consolidated city-county'?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.177.215 (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Consolidated Cities 

message: Doesn't seem like a very good way of defining the Southeast. The examples are highly arbitrary and thus, in my opinion, unencyclopedic. For example, Southeast Conservative Baptist lists Kentucky and an island in the Bahamas as Southeast, but not Georgia or Tennessee. My point is, this list isn't something compiled by the government to show the boundaries of a region; it's nothing more than organizations grouping states however they see fit, not to mention that one could pick and choose who to add and remove from the list to show whatever they want. There's no reason to retain this list.--Flash176 (talk) 11:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Examples of definitions of the Southeast 

message: Recent edits have added chunks without much context, apparently from Southern United States.  The reader will notice the lack of transition between each chunk, and further, problems with several of the references Tedickey (talk) 08:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Cleanup (June 2010) 

message: On the article for the [Southern United States], Maryland and Delaware are both included on the map as part of "the South". So, if it is part of the South as a whole, then surely it should be included as part of the Southeastern United States. But, the map on this article does not include it.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenhplover (talk • contribs) 21:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maryland: in the South or Not? 

message: The sources which Thesouthernhistorian45 provides for his POV-based edit state "American" where he reads "English", etc. If they were really the same, he'd find no need to keep making edits of this sort TEDickey (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Your edit talks about an "overwhelming majority", for which you provide a source that gives less than a third for "English" (neither "overwhelming", nor a "majority").  The second source doesn't mention "English" at all.  Perhaps you have some other sources in mind. TEDickey (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Got to agree with Tedickey here.  The source does not say an "overwhelming majority" claim English ancestry.  And the source does not address "southeastern", but has the categories of "south" and "east south central", whatever that is.  So the tables do not correlate with this article.  And second in numbers in both categories are African-Americans, not Germans.  Eastcote (talk) 11:34, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Misrepresented sources 

message: Rather than pointing to a single CSV file, the parent page should be used, e.g., this. TEDickey (talk) 09:09, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  population estimates 

message: I updated the source, found at least one discrepancy, and a couple of changes in ranking - but did not change the ranking yet TEDickey (talk) 12:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Largest metropolitan areas

message: The article states that the Southeast is colloquially referred to as the South- But many states that are not included in the Southeast region are part of the South.  And I think that stating that the Southeast is colloquially referred to as the South is original research.  I have edited out that statement for that reason. 173.216.242.13 (talk) 23:04, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
thread_title: The Southeast is not the South.

message: Firstly, can I sat that I am an Englishman who has lived all my life in England, so Wikipedia readers from the United States of America may help me if I slip up here. I am aware that there is an article on Wikipedia that is on the term Deep South  - my understanding is that this term refers to the twelve states in the south-eastern corner of the U.S.A., but the Wikipedia article does not really clarify what these twelve states are. Perhaps the twelve states that are listed by such an appellation could go here, and this article could introduce the term "Deep South" earlier. Carltonio (talk) 21:17, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
replies: text: To answer your last question first, the term "Deep South" is listed in the first navbox at the bottom of the page, and links in navboxes aren't supposed to be repeated in the See also section. While "Deep South" could be mentioned in the text here, that article does list the states are generally considered to be the "Deep South", and even has a map showing them there. - BilCat (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
thread_title: Term "Deep South"

message: I don’t think Maryland and Delaware are commonly considered the south. They are the Northeast, or at the very least the Mid-Atlantic. The map needs to be updated. Smith0124 (talk) 05:28, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  [[Maryland]] and [[Delaware]] 

message: A discussion is taking place to address the redirect :Southeast Coast. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 2#Southeast Coast until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.  signed, Rosguill talk 18:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  "Southeast Coast" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] 

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