Talk:Ender's Game

message: The L.A. Times, IMDB and other websites said the movie was scrapped a long time ago. I think this needs to be updated.Unopeneddoor (talk) 03:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie Update

message: The article states that the movie script was completed in 2003. I am trying to find a source for this, which will be difficult, but I know that as early as 1998 that there had been at least one draft of a movie script that Orson Scott Card had. Secondhand knowledge isn't wiki-material but I grew up in Greensboro, NC where OSC lives and has much of his family, and I know that one of his nephews that I went to school with was very excited about a movie that was being made, with a completed script, and they were talking about casting of it. This was in 1998. I'm only putting this out there, because perhaps someone has some solid information or links regarding earlier scrapped scripts and productions. Personally hoping that they make this movie as dark as they should, and not some StarWars I mushy thing. It's a very sad ending obviously, and should not end on a high note. 71.174.183.251 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: How is it a sad ending? He was pushed way beyond his limits and triumphed over a totally superior race. While he didn't know that he was commiting mass murder (not technically xenocide) he still attemps to atone for his guilt giving it a more hopeful ending than anything else. Kaoskaix 18:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Movie

message: It seems that the plot for this page has been characterized as too long. How about this:
The book takes place somewhere in the near-distant future of Earth. Mankind has made contact with an insectoid alien race known to humanity as the Formics, of colloquially as "Buggers." The buggers have attempted to invade earth twice, having been narrowly defeated the first time by a man named Mazer Rackham, and the threat of the third bugger invasion looms large over the earth.
Enter Ender Wiggin, a six-year-old boy and third son of his parents, an audacity under the population restriction laws, permitted only by special sanction by the government who is seeking the next brilliant military commander. Young Ender is approved by the government for training at the elite Battle School, a space station where children train in armies commanded by older children in mock 40-on-40 battles. Ender chooses to accept the government's offer, leaving behind his parents, his sister Valentine whom he deeply cares for, and his sadistic and manipulative older brother Peter.
Upon arrival at Battle School, Ender is immediately singled out by the administration and kept at arm's length from the camaraderie of the students there. He moves quickly from army to army, annoying many of his commanders with his brilliance which serves to reflect their inadequacy, and he quickly becomes the top-ranking soldier in school. Ender finds a way around the teacher's psychological segregation of him by forming his own nightly "practice" sessions, instructing anyone who wishes to come in zero-gravity battle simulations, teaching other students battle strategy and tactics regardless of their given army alliance.
Meanwhile, Ender is participating off and on in a fantasy video game created by the administration to monitor their students psychologically. Ender progresses farther than any student before, and the computer struggles to come up with images to show Ender as he goes beyond the programming of the game. Ender acts out scenes of gruesome violence and ultimately compassion as he struggles with the images the computer is creating for him. Eventually, the images become too gruesome and unbearable for him, and he refuses to play any longer.
Back on Earth, Ender's brother and sister have begun trying their hand at popular politics, assuming the virtual identities of Locke and Demosthenes. The latter, written by Valentine is a hot-headed rabble-rouser who stirs up discontent and whose main purpose is to provide a counterpoint to Peter's Locke identity, whom Peter is using to gain real power and influence over the world stage.
Ender is quickly promoted to commander of a brand new army, and he molds these young soldiers into an unbeaten team, despite the teachers stacking every game against him. Some time after an especially brutal victory against one of Ender's former commanders, Bonzo Madrid, Ender is cornered in the shower by Bonzo along with a few of Bonzo's soldiers. Unable to escape the situation without violence, Ender convinces Bonzo to fight him alone and Ender defeats him soundly. As Bonzo's unmoving body lies on the shower floor, the school administration comes in and takes Ender from the shower directly to a shuttle for command school after a brief stop on Earth to visit his sister Valentine.
Ender is taught at command school by Mazer Rackham, kept alive into his own future by sending him away at near lightspeed and then turning around and bringing him back at near lightspeed. Mazer instructs Ender in a game very similar to the Battle room, only this time instead of commanding soldiers, Ender will command ships in a 3-d space battle. Mazer puts Ender through a grueling pace of games, followed by critiques and then more games. At this point, Ender is reunited with the closest people to him from battle school as his subordinates in this battle game. Ender commands them directly, and it is up to them to carry out his commands. Ender is told that from now on, he will play against Mazer directly, and that it is these tests that will determine if he is ready to command the fleet that Earth is sending against the Bugger threat. There is a new weapon Ender is given in these tests- The Molecular Disruption Device or MD Device. It is an energy ray which causes solid matter to deconstruct itself down to the molecular level, and that deconstruction causes a sphere of energy to expand around the target. Any additional matter caught in this sphere is drawn into the process and chain reactions to additional matter around it. Ender finds this weapon particularly useful against closely-grouped fighters, but much less effective once Mazer learns to keep his ships separated. 
Each day the games become more and more grueling, and Ender is slowly being worn down to psychosis. Mazer confronts Ender, telling him that he will face a final exam, a simulation involving the bugger homeworld. The game begins, and Ender is outnumbered 1,000 to 1. His commanders express hesitancy at their odds and Ender, tired and angry at this unwinninable situation, comes up with a desperate plan. He forms his ships into a tight-knit group and sends them directly at the planet. When they are finally in range, Ender orders the use of the MD Device against the plant itself, destroying the simulated planet and all ships in orbit. Ender consciously makes this decision knowing that it is expressly against the respectable rules of war, thinking that his teachers will find his ruthlessness unacceptable and remove him from command.
Ender removes himself from the simulator after the game and finds that everyone in the room is rejoicing. It is revealed to Ender that every battle he has been fighting against Mazer was actually a real battle taking place in bugger space. The military sent ships at the bugger planets many years ago, and outfitted them with borrowed bugger technology, making instantaneous communication possible. Ender realizes that he just ordered the actual destruction of an entire race, and the guilt of those lives forces him into a four-day coma.
When he awakens, its revealed to him that Ender is being heralded as the saviour of the human race, and now that the bugger threat has been eliminated, mankind is expanding into the empty bugger planets and repealing the population laws. Valentine arrives at command school and convinces Ender to go with her on the first ship leaving for colonization. When they arrive on the bugger world, Ender finds a large constructed statue resembling images he saw in the fantasy game. As he walks through a cave nearby he discovers a single cocoon, the last unborn bugger queen. He resolves to atone for his destruction by finding a place to resurrect this bugger queen, bringing the alien life back into existence. The unborn queen shares a psychic link with Ender, and she is able to communicate that they didn't understand that humans were sentient creatures, and their defeat during the Second Invasion forced them to realize humanity's true nature, and they had resolved to never attack Earth again. Ender writes of the compassion and pain of the bugger race and titles his book The Hive Queen (which later becomes The Hive Queen and the Hegemon), and signs it "Speaker for the Dead." HolyMadjai 20:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I've replaced this summary into the page. HolyMadjai 20:50, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Plot Summary

message: This page has been vandalized at least twice, most recently on 1/31/07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Ice Inside (talk • contribs) 12:39, 31 January 2007
:You'll find that's not too unusual for most articles on Wikipedia. Thank you for correcting the problem, however! -- Antepenultimate 20:32, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Vandalism

message: Why isn't there a article on the last book? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.160.129.109 (talk) 
:Children of the Mind QueenStupid 15:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Children of the Mind

message: I just spent some time completing and tweaking the infobox - any edition-specific information now reflects the first edition (as is preffered). I also replaced the image - actually reverting it back to what it was before, apparently, at least according to the image's previous edit summary and caption here. It appears somebody went in for some reason and replaced what was the first hardback edition image (preffered) with some random later edition paperback - and then failed to change the caption, still claiming it to be the first edition. Also, the image was completely unsourced and technically in danger of being deleted at any time anyway. I've fixed all that.
I've also moved the "plot warning" template to the top of the page, as it is worded to be placed as such if need be. It was causing quite an ugly whitespace gap (especially after I expanded the infobox). Really, I'm not sure if that warning is totally justified (the summary is a tad long, but looks to be well written and this is a fairly important novel), but I don't think that's for me to decide. -- Antepenultimate 00:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: I would want the plot warning.  The summary is a spoiler.  Una Smith 22:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spoiler tags should not be included in sections covering plot summaries, according to WP:SPOIL.Pmcalduff (talk) 01:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Infobox 

message: For references, are we allowed to cite the book the article's about? --Cheeesemonger 13:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  References 

message: I see that this article has been categorized as "Portrayals of Mormons in Popular Media". Now I know Orson Scott Card is himself a Mormon, but beyond that, I don't remember anything having to do with Mormonism in this novel, but it's been a very long time since I read it. Can anybody shed some light on this? If the only connection to Mormonism is the religious orientation of the author, I don't think this article should be included in that category. Thanks -- Antepenultimate 17:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Ender's parents disobeyed the state by having more than two children.  I gather that having many children is an important aspect of this religion.  Ender's family seems Mormon in other respects as well, although this is not stated explicitly.  (Why borrow trouble?)  See also Speaker for the Dead. Una Smith 22:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Actually, it is said that Ender's mother, Theresa Wiggin, is Mormon and his father, John Paul Wiggin is a Roman Catholic. Ausir 03:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The father's catholicism is made explicitly clear in the prequels, but I cannot remember it being stated anywhere that his mother is a mormon. Raul654 03:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Wasn't it stated in Teacher's Pest? Ausir 08:21, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

text: Ender's parents were indeed ordered by the state to have a "third". Further, it is briefly mentioned in this book that both his Catholic father and Mormon mother renounced their respective religions, because they were ashamed that their families were "non-compliant" (had more than two children). One character states as fact that the feelings Ender's parents have towards their respective religions are ambiguous, despite the fact that they both refuse to admit where they were born (Poland and Utah), lest people suspect their family to be non-compliant. So, one character in this book is mentioned to come from a Mormon family, but hides that fact for fear of persecution. While not a central theme to the book, I imagine it has some significance to Mormons. I'd suggest that that would qualify as Mormon depiction.  Temple 10:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: That's a point of trivia rather than a significant factor in the book.  I really don't think Ender's grandparents being Mormon merits inclusion in the category.  (In contrast to many of OSC's other books.) Scott.wheeler 23:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes - I found it odd that this article has the Mormonism WikiProject at the top.  I can understand Card's article, but why this book.  It has nothing to do with the religion. Morphh  (talk) 2:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mormonism 

message: I think I am going to remove the reference to the "Ender Will Save Us All" song, as that song really has nothing to do with the book (apparently it was named this way due to the lead singer's name being Ender). Thoughts? enderminh 23:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ender Will Save Us All 

message: I believe this book deserves more detailed translations section with translated titels and (if needed) round-trip translations, as it was done for Terry Pratchet's books, for example ("Soul Music", "Sourcery", etc.) This is important information for the book which was translated in so many languages. Verdi1 05:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Can you also add in the translation for the Russian title? Pnkrockr 14:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  OK, I did it (it is a literal translation) Verdi1 16:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Translations 

message: Scratch the merger -- the information is already contained elsewhere. I've shifted the other article to a speedy delete request. --Mhking 02:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ender's Game Merger 

message: In the interest of preventing an edit war before one starts, spoiler tags should not be included in sections covering plot summaries, according to WP:SPOIL.  Pnkrockr 14:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The spoiler tage screws up the page layout. I tried fixing it but I reverted it since I only made it worse.--Cadet hastings 15:14, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: A lot of things not revealed until the very end, are revealed here.  Glad I finished reading the book before reading this page.  Someone who knows how to add a spoiler tag properly, should stick one in. Do you normally give out the ending of a book for Wikipedia pages?  Are there any rules about that?  Does it kind of ruin it for anyone that might want to know about the book, to decide whether to read it or not? Dream Focus (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Spoiler tags should not be included in sections covering plot summaries, according to WP:SPOIL.Pmcalduff (talk) 01:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

text: Wikipedia is not censored in any way, including spoilers. ~QuasiAbstract {talk/contrib} 08:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Spoiler tags 

message: The game that ender plays in the game room is currently described in this article.  It is currently said that he stops because the images become too gruesome, but in the actual story it seems to be that he stops because he finally wins (Valentine is with him, even though the other faces are Peter).  Thoughts? PeEll 21:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I agree.  In the book he quits at times for various reasons, but always got started again, until finally defeating it, overcoming his fear of Peter.  That should be changed. Dream Focus (talk) 00:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Gruesome Game 

message: The article seems to imply that he writes The Hive Queen after The Hegemon. I seem to recall that the only reason he initially wrote The Hegemon is because Peter read The Hive Queen, understood immediately that Ender had written it, and then asked Ender to write his story too. If I've gotten this wrong please correct me, otherwise someone should fix the article. --98.217.18.109 (talk) 23:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Just finished it last night, so hopefully I now what I'm talking about :) I understood that he first wrote The Hive Queen because he felt emotional about the Hive Queen's death, and he was very close to the queen (which came about through his destruction of her, and the thoughts she gave him) Then he wrote The Hegemon later, because he felt emotional about Peter's death, and he was very close to Peter. I wouldn't say that one brought about the other, they're completely separate events. 88.7.76.21 (talk) 09:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: I believe it was clarified in Shadow of the Giant.  "And so Peter had written to Valentine, congratulating her, but also asking her to invite Ender to write about him." He wanted a truthful account written after reading "The Hive Queen." ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Another error

message: In the impact segment, it has recently been added that Card noticed similarities in the Harry Potter series to Ender's Game.  But if you actually read the article, it is easy to see that he is Lampooning Rowling for what he sees as a childish lawsuit.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.117.178.204 (talk) 13:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impact segment 

message: "When he awakens, it's revealed to Ender that he is being heralded as the savior of the human race, and that the bugger threat has been eliminated, mankind is expanding into the empty bugger planets and repealing the population limit laws."The bold part is wrong - he learned that immediately after the battle ended. Would anyone like to correct this? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: It actually is true, to Earth in general.  The bugger "threat" had been eliminated.  It's also true in the sense that he's being "heralded as the savior of the human race."  Humans believe him to be, whether it's true or not. ~Auzemandius {talk/contrib} 09:33, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot mistake 

message: My copy says copyright 1977,1985,1991 at the start, but the article says 1985. What gives? Was it published in 77 or 85 originally? Kayamon (talk) 09:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: The copyright date begins with the copyright of the short story, but the actual novel was published in 1985. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 12:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
replies: text:  ...and the "Author's definitive version", which apparently you have, was published in 1991, with some rewrites and corrections, iirc. 76.209.53.55 (talk) 00:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Publication date 

message: Should there be a section about the differences between the novel and the short story?  They are actually rather significant. 76.232.8.46 (talk) 08:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Differences between novel and short story? 

message: The "Adaptations" sections starts with a short summary - "Ender's Game has been successfully adapted into two separate comic book series and will soon be adapted into a video game. A film was planned, but has been canceled."This is redundant since the full info is a few lines below. What do you think? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 21:31, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: It is slightly redundant, but the prose is there to introduce the subsections below.  Does it really harm the article to be there?  Malinaccier (talk) 02:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Adaptations - remove the summary 

message: Since the title "Ender's Game" refers to both the short story and the novel, and the novel spun off of the short story, they should be merged into one article.  The short story does not appear to be so significantly different from the novel to justify a separate article.  Plus, it would make for a more comprehensive article if the two were combined.  —GodhevalT C H 02:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I think the short story is notable enough for itself. A merger is not necessary in my opinion. Malinaccier (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: I agree, these should be kept separate. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 01:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Agree as well.  I'm removing the tags. Viriditas (talk) 08:27, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge to Ender's Game 

message: A summary of the plot is a nice thing to have for people wishing to read about what the book is about.  But adding the entire ending in there is completely out of place especially with no indication that the book's major climax is about to be ruined.
64.72.65.146 (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: See WP:SPOILER, this is an encyclopedia, and people should reasonably expect all information on the plot to be included, not just the unspoily bits. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why is the ending to the book revealed in the plot summary? 

message: http://xkcd.com/635. Should it be added? --79.151.66.48 (talk) 17:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Reference in xkcd 

message: It seems odd that there is no section about the book's treatment of concepts of religion — I'm not calling for original research, understand, just saying surely there's some already out there in verified and reliable sources already. I'm speaking not only of the references to the Catholicism of Ender's father and apparent Mormonism of his mother, but also Alai's religion and the religion that springs up at the very end, when people begin to adopt the custom of a Speaker for the Dead, where the book says that on Earth it was one religion among many, but in the colonies it was THE religion. Lawikitejana (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Religion in the book (and the series?) 

message: I've added something about how the U.S. Marines use this book in leadership training.  But should it go in "Critical Reception"?  That seems oddly inappropriate.  But where, then?  Do you make a whole new section just for this?  What would you call it?  "Ender's Game in Action"?  Anyway, the actual military uses for any war novel always seem well worth mentioning, I just don't know where. Yakushima (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Nice addition. I think it fits fine in with the contents of the "Critical Response" section, but I agree that the section title doesn't quite fit. I would suggest that we leave it there, but that if anyone can come up with a better name that we rename the section. Princess Lirin (talk) 22:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
replies: text: Though it would break up paragraphs, I think that it should go under its own heading. It is not really reception at all; maybe title the section "Use by the US military"? かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 22:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  USMC use of book 

message: A Joystiq article on Dec 14, 2010 had some quotes from the developers for the game saying they won't be continuing to develop "Battle Room".  This is already reflected in the "Ender's Game: Battle Room" wikipedia article here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ender's_Game:_Battle_Room
Joystiq Article:
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/12/14/enders-game-tabled-by-chair/
I'd do the edit, but I'm not sure on best practices for discussing the topic of a game adaptation of a book that was announced and then un-announced :)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.192.23 (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Video Game section 

message: Since I don't know who are predominantly the creative producers, who are the physical producers, and who are the financial producers, I've ventured the guess that K/O are in the 1st category and Odd Lot, the last.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 22:13, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wrt film: I know it's bad form but... 

message: (replacing the book's Maj. Anderson)?--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Is psycologist character in script named... 

message: The media has severely muddied this incident, and wikipedia is now reflecting that same confusion.  I spent quite a bit of time trying to make sense of it, because the actual complaint has so little relation to what's been reported.  Here's a summation, including references:
# Teacher read from three books.  
# Student misunderstood something. (More on that in a minute.)
# Parent complained that child was read online pornography about prostitutes having their faces covered with ejaculate.  (As reported here:  http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/Student_claims_Aiken_Co_middle_school_teacher_read_explicit_material_to_class_142658256.html.  There is also a link to the actual police report here: http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/SchofieldSchool-PornInvestigation.pdf)  
# School releases a statement (http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/031512-school-board-releases-statement-to-enders-game-book) about how a teacher read from three unapproved sources, following which there was a complaint regarding pornography, and they were looking into it.  
# Although the press release itself names none of the three books, it is somehow revealed that Ender's Game is one of them.
# Internet and media goes nuts defending Ender's Game.
# Teacher is eventually cleared of all wrong doing, given paid leave, and reinstated. (http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/0329-schofield-teacher-reinstated--3896149)
At no point did the mother or the school actually state that Ender's Game was pornographic.  Those who have looked at all three of the books think that the problem was probably a misunderstanding related to one of the other books under investigation.  "The Devil's Paintbox" mentions prostitutes who have small pox on their faces, and small pox is euphemistically called "devil's paint".  It wouldn't be hard to think it was a euphemism for something else.
So if it's actually worth reporting, could we change the existing text to report the facts and not the spin?  Something like:
In March 2012, in conjunction with a complaint about pornography, a middle school teacher in South Carolina was placed on administrative leave for reading from three unapproved texts. [With a reference to the press release.]  When it was later revealed that one of the books under review was Ender's Game, articles defending the book immediately appeared on sites ranging from Forbes to io9 (again with references). Both the school and the police eventually found the accusations to be unfounded, and the teacher reinstated (reference). Comprehending reader (talk).  23:51, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: My opinion is that this incident is too insignificant to be included on the page for this novel.   It says more about a particular school in SC, than about the book.  I would like to remove this section altogether.  Opinions?--345Kai (talk) 05:49, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I concur. I didn't even hear about this event until reading about it here in this discussion. It might've been news around SC, but certainly not nationally. I don't think it has lasting impact on the book; shouldn't be in article. But kudos to Comprehending reader for such great research and a summary of the events. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 13:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: I went ahead and removed the section. Incident doesn't seem sufficiently notable, and even if it is, the connection with the article subject is apparently so tenuous that this wouldn't be the right place for it. And I'd like to echo the praise for Comprehending reader for the thorough research! - 2.211.183.161 (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  South Carolina 'pornography' incident. 

message: I know that Formic is the predominant term in later books, but the word is not used once in this book (nor its first three sequels). So it seems exceptionally odd to me that the plot synopsis for this particular book uses the term Formic. The plot synopsis should be consistent with this particular book and make sense to a person who has read this book and only this book. Therefore, I propose changing the second sentence to something like this: "In doing so, they encountered an alien race known as the buggers, named after their insect-like appearance, (and known in later books as the Formics) who were scouting the system and establishing a forward base in the asteroid Eros." And then changing all subsequent references to "bugger." Does anyone object? —Jeferman (talk) 16:06, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Bugger vs. Formic 

message: The plot of this article is far too long. I agree in terms of fundamental scifi works it is important, but the plot is not that complicated and we don't need to explain every facet and present it exactly as given in the book. Plot summaries are supposed to be precise, and probably shouldn;t be much more over 700 words. --MASEM (t) 22:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot 

message: I understand that some people want the plot to remain simplistically short, but there are several places where the plot is factually incorrect and misleading.  I think an encyclopedia deserves correct information.  How about someone changes the synopsis so that it actually reflects the story.  I can't agree that brevity is preferable over accuracy.--24.22.127.213 (talk) 07:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
replies: text: In terms of writing summaries, we write from an out-of-universe manner. So even if the word "Formic" or "Jeesh" isn't used in the book, we know that's the name of the species and the group of students from later books, and thus fair to call them that. I do note that while Bonzo did die in the shower, Ender is not told that until later (per end of text of "Bonzo" chapter) so that is correct. The egg contains the queen, so they aren't the same thing. --MASEM (t) 13:45, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot is wrong. 

message: Given the recent release of a movie of this novel, and changes in techology, it seems that criticisms could be more clearly broken out over time. Comments? Neutralphrasing (talk) 04:48, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Impression of book today vs publication 

message: Ender's Game totally rips off the plot of "Goldilocks"! Peter is too sociopathic, Valentine isn't sociopathic enough, but Ender is juuuuuust right... — CWesling (talk) 03:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a forum. Please do not use it as such. Ollieinc (talk) 07:06, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Plot is a rehash  of Goldilocks and the three bears;-) 

message: I would like to add the section of the book, at the beginning of one of the books, in which Ender is speaking to Jane (Ender's Game) the computer, and it talks about how Jane has all of the knowledge that has ever been created.  Does anyone know which book in the series that this is in? I know it is not enders game - and the plots of the series books do not mention it. Igottheconch (talk) 12:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Ender accesses all the information every created with  Jane the computer 

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thread_title:  External links modified 

message: There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Ender's Game (series) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you.  —RMCD bot 19:29, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Move discussion in progress 

message: Why is "suggested reading" italicized in the opening section of this article? This is the closest justification I could imagine for it and it still doesn't quite seem right to me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Text_formatting#Emphasis  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.194.253.54 (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Italicized "suggested reading" 

message: I believe Ender realized he had attempted Xenocide of the Formics rather then Genocide. Just a suggested correction.
12.32.73.34 (talk) 20:47, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
replies: text: For WP's purposes, "xenocide" is not a real word (though obviously from using word basis and suffixes, its meaning is clear), while "genocide" is still a correct English word. --Masem (t) 23:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
thread_title:  genocide vs xenocide