Talk:Amelia Earhart/Archive 10

message: Dear colleagues, since - as i saw - some kind of "discussion" appeared (as exchange of remarks) about AE's sinus problems, i thought that this attempt (below) to "summarize" the problem on the base of the quotes from different Earhart's biographies may be possibly helpful.
Apparently, the first time when the sinus inflammation problem appeared in AE when she volunteered as a nurse's aid in the Spadina Military Hospital in Toronto, in 1918.
This is how AE describes the appearance of the problem herself: 
"At the end of my brief hospital career, I became a patient myself. It was probably the case of trying to carry on all day as usual and work all night. Anyway, I collected a bug that took up residence in the inaccessible little hole behind one's cheek called the antrum. The result was several minor operations and a rather long period of convalescence. Some of this was spent at Northampton where my sister was at Smith and the rest of Lake George" - "The Fun Of It" by Amelia Earhart (1932), p.21. 
Amelia's sister Muriel wrote in her book:
"In the spring of 1918, I moved to Northampton, Massachusetts. Early in November, Amelia was hospitalized by a serious attack of pneumonia. She missed celebrating the Armistice. When she recovered sufficiently to travel, Amelia came to Northampton to stay with me to recuperate. I had rented a small apartment on Bedford Terrace and took care of her while i studied for the four comprehensive entrance examinations required by Smith College" - "Amelia. My Courageous Sister" by Muriel Earhart Morrissey and Carol L.Osborne (1987), p.54.
Amelia's biographer Mary S. Lovell wrote: "...When the great influenza epidemic struck, Amelia worked night duty on the pneumonia ward, as the virus attacked the patients and staff alike. It is hardly surprising that before long she, too, fell victim. Amelia was still recovering when the armistice was signed on November, 11, but, in any case, she was scathing about the peace celebrations". 
Then Mary Lovell quotes the private letter from Amelia to her friend Kenneth Merrill: 
" December 1918
Kenneth dear,
...I am just out of the hospital where the effects of the flu  [epidemic]... put me. I think working twelve to fourteen hours at a stretch added to the strain of having carried on all summer - made me a more then normally easy prey for influenza, and an infection in my nose at the same time which later necessitated an operation after which flu symptoms reappeared. Altogether I have more then a two months siege and face the awful prospect of doing nothing for two more." - "The Sound Of Wings" by Mary S.Lovell (1989), p.27.
Amelia's biographer Doris L. Rich commented (although giving a bit different “timeframe” of when exactly the problem appeared): “…Although she continued to work through the winter of 1918-1919, during a worldwide influenza epidemic that claimed more lives then the war, by late January she was bedridden with a serious sinus infection. Without antibiotics, opening and drainage of the sinus cavities was the only treatment available. These “washings out”, as she called them, were agonizing and only partially effective leaving her a semi-invalid.  In February, she left Toronto for Northampton, Massachusetts, to join Muriel who was taking preparatory courses for entrance to Smith College in the fall” - “Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 20.
AE’s biographers Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon describes the problem in details, referring to Amelia’s book “20 Hours 40 Minutes”: “The influenza epidemic of 1918 struck Toronto. This was one of history’s major disasters, claiming twenty million lives worldwide. Sister Amelia was one of the few permitted on night duty, and she served in a pneumonia ward where she “helped to ladle out medicine from buckets.” She stayed well throughout the epidemic that killed so many and then took seriously ill with what she diagnosed as “a case of too much nursing, perhaps with too long hours.” She suffered from “pain and pressure around one eye and copious drainage via the nostrils and throat.” Today a doctor would probably prescribe antibiotics, but these had not been discovered in 1918, so Amelia had to endure several minor operations and a long convalescence.” - “Amelia: a Life of the Aviation Legend” by Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon (1997) – p.26.
Also see: ”20 Hours 40 Minutes” by Amelia Earhart (1928),  p.43.  
Jean L.Backus, AE researcher and the author of the book “Letters from Amelia” – citing and analyzing a lot of authentic Amelia’s private letters to her friends and relatives, first of all to her mother Amy, -  comments:  “The Armistice of November 11, 1918, not only constituted another watershed for Amelia Earhart, it preceded one of the first of several episodes of ill health coincident with periods of great stress in her life. She was through with boarding school, restless, undecided about a career, and she was seriously ill with a severe infection. One of the volunteers permitted night duty on the pneumonia ward, she apparently had kept well during the strenuous schedules required to cope with the great influenza epidemic which followed World War I and killed twenty million people around the world. Once the emergency was over, she took to her bed. Today the illness would be diagnosed as sinusitis and dealt with handily, but in 1918 there were no antibiotics, and only irrigation of the sinus cavities was offered in the way of treatment…[…]…Her body responded to sights and sounds and smells of distress in others {her patients} with pain and pressure around one eye and copious drainage via  the nostrils and throat. Despite the “washings out” as Amelia named the irrigations, the torment of chronic sinus infection persisted throughout the rest of her life, including flights of 1932 and 1935. ” - Jean L.Backus, “Letters from Amelia” (1982) – p.49-50.
Here's how Susan Butler, another AE's recognized biographer, commented the events: 
"...Amelia was tough, but, but finally she too, felt ill. She was hit with a pneumococcal bacterial infection in her frontal antrum, where the pressure so builds up in the sinuses that severe, chronic pain results. Without antibiotics, the only treatment  was to surgically open the cavity, drain the infections, and keep it open and draining until all traces of the infection completely disappeared. Amelia was operated upon. It was a long, debilitating course of treatment, lasting mounts, and it so seriously weakened Amelia that it took the rest of the winter for her to recover her strength. Even then it turned out that the infection had not been totally eradicated; i6t would remain a serious problem for years.
She spent her convalescence in Northampton, Massachusetts, where Amy had taken an apartment in order to be with Muriel, who was now studying at Miss Capen's School so she would do well on the College Board examinations required for entrance to Smith College. There Amelia rested." -"East To The Dawn: The Life Of Amelia Earhart" by Susan Butler (1997), p. 86. 
In following years it became obvious that the problem was not really removed completely - that is understandable if to consider that it was a pre-antibiotic era. So in following years, AE was persistently plagued by assaults of the sinus inflammations and the inevitable accompanying symptoms like headache.
The years 1921-1923, spent by AE with her parents in California, were AE's first years of her activity as a pilot... But in these years, sometimes the chronic sinus problem sharpened to such a degree that AE was forced to wore - even on public - the small drainage tube covered by a bandage, for to drain the abcess still plaguing her and to cure this way the tormenting headache caused by a persisting sinus inflammation.
AE’s biographer Doris L. Rich wrote about this period: “…Another admirer was Winfield Kinner, Jr., an eleven year-old schoolboy. …[…]…He was also impressed by what seemed to him considerable stoicism on the day she  removed a small bandage from her check to show his mother the tiny tube used to drain the chronic abcess of the antrum which continued to plague her.” - 
-  “Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 32.
This persisting and painful problem (that was especially boring because of AE’s flying, as it caused an extremely uncomfortable and painful effects at the rapid changes of air pressure caused by a changes of altitude when flying in open cockpits characteristic for the era)   - finally made the next surgical intrusion inevitable and necessary. Unfortunately it wasn’t successful and, soon after it, it was clear that the new surgical intrusion is inevitable and will be necessary pretty soon. So when AE and her mother left California for Boston in May 1924, for to join AE’s sister Muriel (who departed earlier before by train),  AE was far from being and feeling healthy.
As Mary S. Lovell, AE's biographer, wrote: "...To add to Amelia's existing problems, - and perhaps exacerbate them - the condition (an abscess in the nasal passages that had created a deep-seated sinus infection causing a great deal of pain) that had first occurred during her time at Spadina now flared up again. An operation was advised, which she undertook somewhat nervously. The aftermath was months of further physical discomfort and the ignominy of being harried by a debt-collection agency for payment of the five-hundred-dollar medical fees. It took a year for Amelia to pay off this sum, but by then she had left California." - "The Sound Of Wings" by Mary S.Lovell (1989), p.47.
About this second surgery, Doris L.Rich wrote: “…In 1924, less then nine months after she received her FAI license {May 15 1923}, Amelia Earhart was hospitalized for another sinus operation.” -  “Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 32.
As the biographer Susan Butler wrote about this second surgery,
"...Amelia was laid low by the return of the infection in her antrum, the result of the strain of packing up all  the Earhart possessions, ...[...]... An operation was called for to drain pneumococcal infection. The procedure cost five hundred dollars, which Amelia left unpaid."
- "East To The Dawn: The Life Of Amelia Earhart" by Susan Butler (1997), p. 117. 
The biographer Doris L.Rich wrote: “Amelia and Amy left Hollywood on a bright May day. Barely recovered from one operation and knowing another would be necessary as soon as she reached Boston, Amelia was determined to see something on the way” – “Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 40.
Thus, AE “transformed” her transcontinental trip with her mother into the Big Tour across several US (and Canadian) National Parks and other famous places and landmarks. Apparently that second surgery was so much unsuccessful that it rather sharpened the problem then cured it; so, before the across-the-country car trip of AE and her mother ended, she felt even worse.
As Mary Lovell wrote: "...The pain in her head was, by the end of the journey, insupportable. Within days of her arrival in Boston, Amelia entered Massachusetts Memorial Hospital for an operation in which a small piece of bone was removed to allow drainage of the sinuses. It was completely successful and after a short convalescence, she was free of pain for the first time in four years." - "The Sound Of Wings" by Mary S.Lovell (1989), pp.48-49.
Biographers Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon wrote: “Within a week of joining Muriel, Amelia was in a hospital. The breakup of her parents’ marriage had coincided with a severe attack of her old sinus problem, an ailment that throughout her life flared up during the periods of stress. In Massachusetts General Hospital a small piece of bone was removed to permit drainage. Upon discharge she declared that for the first time in four years she was free of headache and nasal pain. ” - “Amelia: a Life of the Aviation Legend” by Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon (1997) – p.35.
As Susan Butler comments: "The last part of it  [the trip] was a labor of love for Amelia, for the [recent] operation had not completely drained out the infection, and there was a pressure and pain in her sinus. Three days after their arrival in Boston, Amelia checked into Massachusetts General Hospital, where yet again doctors opened up her sinus and drained out the infection. This time her recovery was excruciatingly slow. She spent the months in Medford, a suburb of Boston where Muriel had found a teaching job and a house nearby for herself and her mother to live in." - "East To The Dawn: The Life Of Amelia Earhart" by Susan Butler (1997), p. 117. 
The biographer Doris L.Rich wrote: “The seven thousand-mile trip to Boston took six weeks. Two weeks later Amelia entered Boston General Hospital for more surgery. After her release she joined Amy and Muriel in Medford, a suburb of Boston, where Muriel was teaching at Lincoln Junior High…[…]… Before Amelia could think about another plane, Amy offered her the money for a second year at Columbia University and Amelia accepted, returning there in September 1924.” -“Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 40.
As Jean Backus commented: “Within a week of their arrival, Amelia entered Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston for surgery. During the four stressful years in California, while Edwin and Amy struggled to preserve their marriage, and Amelia acted as a buffer between them, she had never been free of headache and nasal discomfort. Her flying had not helped the condition. The goggles and helmet she wore did not entirely protect her face from the effect of wind and cold in an open cockpit, and she had constantly endured probes and irrigations which never brought more then temporary relief. During her hospital stay, a small piece of bone was surgically removed to allow  natural drainage from the offending antrum. For the first time in years, she was free of headache and nasal discomfort, but the difficulty would return and she would mention other attacks after periods of great stress in the future.” - Jean L.Backus, “Letters from Amelia” (1982) – p.61.
That's how AE's sister Muriel wrote about these 1924 surgeries - after 50+ years: "...Soon after Amelia and Mother arrived in Medford, Amelia was troubled by a recurring sinus infection which dated back to living in Toronto. It flared up in California the previous year, and she went through some painful and ineffective treatments. Upon the advice of our Medford doctor, she had nasal surgery. The surgeon removed a small piece of bone in her nasal passage, allowing her sinuses to drain. Surgery cured the problem completely. Amelia left the hospital after about a week's stay, entirely free from headache and nasal discomfort for the first time in four years." - "Amelia. My Courageous Sister" by Muriel Earhart Morrissey and Carol L.Osborne (1987), p.54.
However in those pre-antibiotic days apparently the problem still could not be solved definitely, once and forever. So after 11 years, in 1935 - after an extremely intensive and especially stressful and exhaustive several-months-period of professional activities of all kinds - she was bedridden with this old problem again.    
As Mary Lovell wrote about this period of 1935,
"...The heavy demands made on Amelia that spring took an inevitable toll, for in June she became with the old recurrent sinus problems. An operation was followed by an attack of pleurisy and she was bedridden for ten days. George, who had been in New York, flew to her side." [He]  arrived yesterday, which helps," she {Amelia} wrote Amy {her Mother}." -  "The Sound Of Wings" by Mary S.Lovell (1989), p. 219.
As biographers Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon wrote: “In view of the murderous schedule Amelia had been following so far in 1935, it is not surprising to find her writing to Amy {her Mother} from Cedars of Lebanon Hospital in Los Angeles on June 1935. “The sinus is kicking up and I am tired of being beaten up with washings out so Dr. Goldstein is going to work on me tomorrow.”…[…]… The next day Amelia had her operation. Dr. Joseph Goldstein told the press that it was “minor and unimportant”, and the patient “would leave the hospital in a day or two”. Nevertheless it was a painful nuisance to Amelia. She left Cedars of Lebanon as soon as she was able and went to a friend’s. She wrote to her mother on July 5: “There is a backache I had which I thot was a strained muscle turned into pleurisy. I am still in bed with my side strapped. GP arrived yesterday, which helps. I am getting on now, and can get up as soon as 3 days pass in which I run no temperature. The nose is healing OK though I am warned I’ll have a headache for another week!” - “Amelia: a Life of the Aviation Legend” by Donald M. Goldstein and Katherine V. Dillon (1997) – p.143.
As Susan Butler commented, "...By summer she was run down, understandably. At the end of June her sinuses were kicking up so badly, she landed in Cedars of Lebanon Hospital in L.A., then got pleurisy. It threw all their [AE's and GP's - Alex] plans off schedule and meant they would not get to the Double Dee ranch that summer after all" - "East To The Dawn: The Life Of Amelia Earhart" by Susan Butler (1997), p. 339. 
As Doris L.Rich wrote: “Exhausted by three long-distance flights and three lecture tours in six months Amelia was hospitalized with a severe sinus infection. On June 25, the day after her last lecture, she entered the Cedars of Lebanon hospital for surgery. She told her mother she was “tired of being beaten up with washing out” (in which a syringe was used to pump a solution into the atrium to flush out the debris of suppurating tissue which then drained from the patient’s mouth. The alternative was surgery to enlarge or correct blocked nasal passages for normal drainage). From the hospital she went to the Oceanside ranch of GP’s friends, the Louis Lightons, to recuperate. She was bedridden there with a backache she assumed was caused by a strained muscle was actually pleurisy. When GP arrived on the fourth of July she was still in bed with her ribs strapped, but her nose was healing.” – “Amelia Earhart: A Biography” by Doris L.Rich (1989) – p. 207.
Also see:  Jean L.Backus, “Letters from Amelia” (1982) – p.175.
Thus the different solid credible biographic sources, that refers to the original letters and other family documents and related records, certainly indicates that Amelia Earhart had a serious and persisting chronic sinus inflammation problems, that plagued her with a periodic “assaults” since 1918 – when she “collected the bug” in Toronto, during the worldwide influenza epidemia – to 30s, when the problem again demanded a surgical intrusion as late as in 1935. 
Although slightly differing in the referred exact dates of surgeries and such a things as exact length of the recuperation periods  (that is understandable  - as all the sources describes the events after 50 or mory years passed), it is certain that all the sources positively confirms that in total, the problem demanded as many as 4 surgical intrusions during the period 1918 - 1935.
Best regards to all - sincerely, Alex V Mandel (talk) 07:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For chronolgy, consider archiving the earlier discussions on this page as "Archive 9" and make Doc's helath treatise as "Archive 10." FWIW Bzuk (talk) 15:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Earlier sections now archived in archive 9 and AE health in archived 10. Snowman (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did the invasive surgery and drainage tube leave a scar? If so, which cheek? Binksternet (talk) 16:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not say that the tube came from the cheek, but is says that the tube was under the bandage.  The tube could have been under the bandage and draining the sinus via her nose.  Incisions could have been in the mouth or the nose and hidden from view on photographs.  I do not know if the gap her her teeth is anything to do with the operations, but I doubt if it was. Is there any information on the gap in her teeth? Snowman (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text: What was the diameter of the drainage tube? Abscess contents are sometimes viscous and tenacious and so the tube would have a minimum effective diameter, I guess. I doubt if it was photographed. Snowman (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  AE's health problems 

message: Discussion on "Talk:Amelia Earhart/Archive 9", link in archive box at top of page. The text above might stay as the original text that Alex Mandel sent (and be archived commplete).  I have made jottings in the archive 9. Snowman (talk) 15:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: For chronolgy, consider archiving the earlier discussions on this page as "Archive 9" and make Doc's helath treatise as "Archive 10." FWIW Bzuk (talk) 15:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Earlier sections now archived in archive 9 and AE health in archived 10. Snowman (talk) 17:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Did the invasive surgery and drainage tube leave a scar? If so, which cheek? Binksternet (talk) 16:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It does not say that the tube came from the cheek, but is says that the tube was under the bandage.  The tube could have been under the bandage and draining the sinus via her nose.  Incisions could have been in the mouth or the nose and hidden from view on photographs.  I do not know if the gap her her teeth is anything to do with the operations, but I doubt if it was. Is there any information on the gap in her teeth? Snowman (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

text: What was the diameter of the drainage tube? Abscess contents are sometimes viscous and tenacious and so the tube would have a minimum effective diameter, I guess. I doubt if it was photographed. Snowman (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title: Heath problems: comments

message: "Is there any information on the gap in her teeth? " The gap was quite pronounced and is noticeable in some photographs but Amelia became adroit at smiling with her lips closed whenever a photographer was around. Check any of her formal photographs and you will note that a certain "look" was maintained (on direction from G.P. Putnam). I first spotted the discrepancy when I came across a brief film clip that was in our local aviation museum archives. The original film had been made by a doctor in Newfoundland when Amelia was preparing for her 1932 "hop." FWIW Bzuk (talk) 01:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: There was a gap between her two front teeth, many sources mention it, I've never heard it was from an injury or anything like that. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title: Other topics