Talk:SMS Königsberg (1905)

message: Please click on the photo of the wreck to see remarks about the photo... Engr105th 14:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Photos 

message: Is the wreck still there? Did it have to be removed piece by piece so that the river was navigable?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Nkosi (talk • contribs) 03:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: According to Erich Gröner's German Warships 1815-1945, the wreck was dismantled in 1963-65. Parsecboy (talk) 13:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: I am doubtful about Groeners information. I cannoz access his book - does he give sources? When working in Tanzania in the early 1990s I was told by people who had flown over the Rufiji delta few years ago that they could see the body from the small plane they were in. I remember some older travel guides mentioning the wreck being visible at low tide from a boat but no more in the 90ies. Besides I am more than doubtful that anybody had the technical means in the 1960s to get the body of a large ship out from the mud of a river bed in this up to now remote corner of Tanzania!  Kipala (talk) 22:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
replies: text: Gröner's book is based on material from the German Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv, and updated in 1990 by a pair of editors. Do you have reliable sources that support this claim? If not, then we cannot add a conflicting report to the article. Parsecboy (talk) 22:44, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  What Happened to the Wreck? 

message: I feel pretty certain that the ship[ illustrated is a much later City of Winchester than the one on the narrative.
Roger French
3 March 2012
The City of Winchester was located lying in 30 metres just off the shore line of Hallaniyat Island (Kuria Muria group) in the 1980s. I had the opportunity to dive the wreck in the 1990s which had totally collapsed on itself leaving the triple expansion engine and boilers as the high point in the wreck. It is now considered a heritage site by the Oman government.  
Kevin Patience - Kuzama (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  City of Winchester 

message: Picture Konigsbergcannon.jpg in media category is not from German ship, but from HMS Pegasus. There are two guns beside the fort gate in Mombasa, German is the left one. Kiselev_d (talk) 6:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: For future reference this isn't the right place to bring up your concern, as we here on Wikipedia don't have control of the content on Commons. But you're right, it's clearly not a 10.5 cm SK L/45 gun. I fixed the description of the page on Commons and have requested it be renamed. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 18:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
thread_title: Gun photo

message: The wreck of the Konigsberg was sold in 1923 to Captain John Ingles former Captain of HMS Pegasus for £200. Some time in the late 20s early 30s he sold it again. It was worked on until 1965 when what was left of the hull disappeared into the river bed. There is nothing to see on site other than broken pottery, bottles etc alongside the wreck site in the bushes. Having visited the site four times over the years I have carried out a detailed survey of the area looking for steel debris from the ship. However nothing was located. The collier SOMALI now enguled in mangrove has been cut up for scrap by locals living in the delta. Quite how much is left at present is unknown however an expedition hopes to visit the site before long.. Ref. Dar es Salaam Archival material and survey. Kuzama (talk) 13:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Unfortunately, Wikipedia requires that we use secondary sources to write our articles. Despite your experience surveying the wreck site, we can't use it directly here. Do you know of a secondary source we can use? Parsecboy (talk) 14:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Konigsberg wreck 

message: Thank you for your comments on sources. It would appear that some of the sources for this article are in fact questionable.. Hoyt's book 'The Germans who never lost' when it appeared was considered by many in East Africa who had first hand knowledge of the Konigsberg and its history to be incorrect. I can state that the wreck was NOT removed or scrapped in 1963 as I have pictures taken in 1965 when the wreck was still visible. My corrections which I added are based on 40 years of research in German, UK and East African archives all of which are proven which resulted in a book 'Konigsberg - A German East African Raider' that was read and approved by the Looff family. Perhaps you might like to read the true version of events based on the Konigsberg crew diaries of which I have copies translated from the German or read a copy of my book.. Having lectured on and written up the ship's history for some time, I wondered if perhaps we might put our skills together and set the record straight once and for all. Kuzama (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: That sounds fine to me, and I don't have a problem with replacing Hoyt with a better source, but the one problem is, I can't seem to find a copy of your book anywhere - it's not available on Amazon, and the only copy I can find in Worldcat is in a library in the UK - can't exactly get that through inter-library loan ;) If you want to make the necessary changes with page numbers from your book, I can help with the formatting and such. Parsecboy (talk) 11:13, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  KONIGSBERG research. 

message: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/SMS Königsberg (1905) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
thread_title:  TFAR