Talk:Grand Theft Auto III/Archive 1

message: It was criticized for its "graphic content"? What about its plot and theme: car theft?
Isn't it considered, um, "bad" to assault people and steal cars? --Uncle Ed 19:34, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)
replies: text: Seemingly.  I added some notes on this.  Thanks.  Tempshill 21:38, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC)

text: Actually, the story isn't just car theft, though it is a major element of the gameplay.  Rather, the story is that your partner in a bank robbery shot you and left you for dead and you want revenge.  Not so sure that really helps the game's case on a moral level though.....
Iamthecheese 00:32, Dec 3, 2003 (UTC)
I think 'graphic content' means the graphic nature of the content (plot), not the nature of the visual graphics. Grunners 10:20, 17 May 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Graphic content 

message: Does anyone have a cite on GTA3 being the catalyst for Wal-Mart checking IDs? As far as I know, most video game retailers enforce the (voluntary) ESRB rating system, including carding those purchasing M-rated games. In any event Wal-Mart certainly isn't unique in their policy. --Tubedogg 01:00, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wal-Mart and M-rated games 

message: Do we know who has spoken which commercial? Aeris Running Shoes: Sean R. Lynch| Fernando's New Beginnings: Frank Chavez| Pogo the Monkey: Maria Chambers| Liberty City Surivor: Jeff Berlin| House of Tomorrow (third guy): Jonathan Hanst.
: Shelley Miller - maibatsu monstrosity
: lazlow - house of tomorrow --TBH 20:44, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Commercial Voices 

message: Darkel was a a hobo terrorist who gave missions involving killing authority figures. it's rumored that he was removed because there was a mission where the player had to hijack a plane that involved killing donald love. he is certainly worth a mention in the controversy section. --TBH 13:40, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
thread_title:  Darkel 

message: I don't really think it warrants a mention in the main article, but just for information's sake, it is an incredible help to use the Police Cruiser in the Turismo Mission. Once the other drivers crash into a wall and/or each other, just calmly get ahead of them and the siren will make sure no other cars blindside you, and the Police Cruiser is fast and quick enough to keep up with the Cheetahs when they turn if not in straightaways. Karmafist 00:44, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Turismo Mission

message: How does St. Marks redirect to GTA3?
:It's not suppose to. If the name is also not asummed by other subjects, redirect the page to Liberty City; it is a location of the city after all. Otherwise, I'm for turning the page into a disambiguation page instead. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding 12:36, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
replies: text: St. Mark's is known in the game as a neighborhood of the Liberty City. Turns out there is a St. Mark's disambiguation page, so St. Marks will simply be redirected St. Mark's. Thanks for mentioning. ╫ 25 ring-a-ding 15:41, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
thread_title: Redirection

message: There's a very interesting feature in GTAIII that has been sadly removed in GTAVC and it is this: 
While playing the game, as you roam around the city in your stolen or carjacked vehicle, if you fire at another vehicle any weapon you have, the driver of the other vehicle panics and floors his gas pedal. Driving as he does, like a bat out of hell, if you follow him in your own car (preferably a Dodge Viper because it goes really fast, known in the game as Banshee), you'll watch him run over pedestrians and such, not even sparing Police officers, even smashing his car into other cars and trucks on the road. It's really too much fun for words to describe. 
I use this feature constantly in GTAIII to have some fun with the drivers. It's actually more entertaining than doing the  
missions of the game. 
There's no mention of this feature of GTAIII in this article.
In GTAVC, on the other hand, if you fire at a car, the driver simply jumps out flailing his arms in panic and abandons his vehicle. Sometimes, he commits suicide by jumping in the water.
:I don't see how this is relevant or notable of mention. It's like explaining in the soccer ball article how a basketball is not as good as a soccer ball for kicking. Even then, something like this should be mentioned in Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, not here. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: This comment is not useful. Does it help us improve any writeup of this game? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 07:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Driving around in a car while firing at other drivers

message: I added a link to a Francis International Airport teaser site which was not on your list —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.76.23.54 (talk • contribs) .
:I've put in more, but there is a need to categorize them. Some of these sites were only discovered when exploring the official GTA III site. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 16:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: I changed the URL again, but please don't add too many links. This is not a portal. RexNL 23:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Francis International Airport

message: I've written a bit on the design of the logo and its brief history. It still lacks information on the developer's POV regarding the logo design, but here's what has been done:
Feel free to provide any needed comments or corrections, because it still doesn't look as well written as I would expect. It also lacks some sources, which are still with me. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 11:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Logo design 

message: I'm not entirely sure the Controversy section is neutral. Specifically: 
Am I looking too into this or does the bold text skew the neutrality of the section? Goofyman 05:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The bolded text was added as a separate entry, but I haven't found a creditable source to back the passages' claim up. Alternatively, the addition could be based off personal opinion, may not be encyclopedic and should be removed. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: The first part of the quoted text is at least true, insofar as it is something that someone has said (never mind whether it's actually true).  By contrast, the bold text sounds very POV - there's no source to back it up, and simply saying that because 99.9% of players don't commit crime that "proves" the minors are lying isn't good logic.  I'd be surprised if any attempt has been made to establish its veracity.  Remove it I reckon (though the point about people citing the game GTA in real cases of GTA should stay - assuming it's a fact).  --Plumbago 14:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Neutral? 

message: Obviously, the article is now exceeding the recommended article size, having pass the 50kb mark a while ago. If this article is to be featured article, we have to start considering what to discard and what to keep. Here are a few ideas on how to bring down the article's size:
# As outlined in the to do list, there is way too much info on gameplay. What can be done is removing features that remain unchanged, while retaining major and perhaps some minor changes. Both the Grand Theft Auto and Grand Theft Auto 2 should provide the needed information on unchanged aspects of the game (after all, the gameplay mechanics of GTA III is heavily derivative of previous titles).
# Removing trivial information. Most of this can be found in both the gameplay and graphics sections, which at times explain certain features in too much unneeded detail.
# Focus on new features and console-PC differences. One could focus on discussing the method of storyline narration, graphics (already covered) and improvements. Having played both the PS2 and PC versions, there are also a few additional differences that could be noted (most notably how the game deals with loading saved games/starting a new game, and other control elements).
Any more suggestions? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 15:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trimming this sucker down 

message: I've changed the original box art of the game to the standard one in the info box and have placed the US version into a smaller section down the page. This is because GTA3 is a British game and I feel the British box art should be featured. If you disagree, please say!
--Jiei 17:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: It's the best-selling version and it's in the style used for all the other games. Ace of Sevens 18:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: As far as articles like Katamari Damacy and Final Fantasy X are concerned (both with multiple localized covers arts and Japan-first releases), US cover arts usually come first in the lead infobox. Seems reasonable to do the same here. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 09:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Box art

message: I need someone to know these Wanted Cop Levels. Can anyone know that? Best Gamer 27 July 2006
:What are you talking about? Ace of Sevens 17:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Yeah, but what's the question?  Ace of Sevens 17:21, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

text: So, to answer your question, yes, apparently someone can know that. Ace of Sevens 03:40, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: But it seems too detailed. The current peer review dismisses both the radio station and weapon lists as cruft, and I don't think this list merits inclusion in this article for the same reason. Perhaps adding this in Wikia instead is more appropriate? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 09:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Wanted Cop Levels 

message: Mr. Whoopee automobile sometimes appear in this city, but I need someone to tell me that Mr. Whoopee does not appear in this city and it sometimes appear on the streets. Best Gamer 31 July 2006
:Mr. Whopee automobile does not appear in this city.  Sometimes, it appears on the streets. Ace of Sevens 23:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Mr. Whoopee car 

message: I think there is something wrong with the flying vehicle. The Dodo is incapable of flying airborne completely. The plane can only hover, then land on the ground, and it won't reach more altitude. Best Gamer 5 August 2005
:That's how it's supposed to work. Ace of Sevens 19:53, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  The Dodo Plane 

message: I have heard a guy said like this: "Lazlow, I just want to make your viewers aware that" and Lazlow said: "We don't have viewers, we have listeners.", but then he said viewers again. ZS, why did'nt Lazlow cut off someone's phone line that he said viewers again?? Best Gamer 1 September 2006
:I have absolutely no idea. This should be something Lazlow or the audio department in Rockstar should know, not me. Btw, is this discussion really going anywhere? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 06:52, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Weird about something 

message: Where are they? Here is a parallel to another Rockstar game, Max Payne 2:
Mona Sax refers to Vladimir as "nothing but a one armed bandit," the nickname of Phil Cassidy.
:Most good articles do not include a section on Easter eggs unless they garnered publicity (see SimCopter), are integral to the game (see Grand Theft Auto: Vice City), or have been included in large numbers (Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas). ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 14:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Easter eggs 

message: The article erroneously states that Auto-aiming was removed in the PC version do to the fact that the mouse is used for aiming, but it is in fact still in the game.  A player using a gamepad can still auto-aim. 71.226.17.185 10:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
replies: text: Corrected. ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 20:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Auto-aiming with a Gamepad in the PC Version

message: El Burro is in GTA 1 but he is in San Andreas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCB '92 (talk • contribs) 
:Well, it's pretty much proven that he has appeared in GTA1, during the sixth and final cut scene in the game (which takes place in the city of San Andreas), and this appearance has been mentioned briefly in List of characters in Grand Theft Auto III#El Burro. But aside that, is there anything else that this topic is trying to bring up? ╫ ２５ ◀RingADing▶ 15:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  El Burro 

message: In Everything Bad is Good for You, it's asserted that the official GTA III strategy guide sold 1.6 million copies, yet there's no mention of it anywhere in the article. I don't think this article can be considered "comprehensive" until there's at least a small paragraph about the Prima guide. -- Kicking222 18:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title: Strategy guide

message: I think that the "Love Doctor" Maurice from Chatterbox is a reference to the Steve Miller band song Joker.
I was listening to it and it sounded as the good doctor was built up around this character. I was just wondering what anyone else thought. --Bass Masta 05:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Maurice is a Reference to Jokar 

message: theres soomething wrong with the reference tags and I don't know ho to fix it. Bawolff 07:23, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  theres soomething wrong with the reference tags 

message: Don't know about Body Harvest, but Urban Chaos on the PS1 always struck me as being very similar to GTA III (limitations of the PS1 compared to PS2 not withstanding). Optimus Sledge 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Inspiration for GTA III 

message: Should it be noted somewhere that the font used in the game's title is "Pricedown", the font used for The Price Is Right? 209.103.228.147 03:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: No.  Even if verifiable, this information is irrelevant. EganioTalk 09:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Pricedown 

message: The article states: "Two years following the initial PlayStation 2 release of Grand Theft Auto III, versions for the Microsoft Windows and Xbox had been made available."
But there is only a gap of 7 months (8 max.) between the PS2 and the Windows version.
I think that that sentence is at least confusing and should be rewritten, I would do it myself but my English is no good ;_;
--Esquizoide (talk) 04:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Ports dates 

message: Why where bikes banned?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Worldaz (talk • contribs) 08:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Bikes werent banned, apparently there were some problems at the late stages of making the game so they were overhauled --Casket56 (talk) 07:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Why where bikes banned? 

message: Yesterday, at about 04:01, 25 November 2008, ip address 24.175.240.210 added a potentially irrelevant segment to a sentece in Cuts, changes, and the 9/11 effect. This was immediately reverted by Sephiroth BCR, and was reverted by the ip again. I came and reverted it, and the IP reverted it back again. the IP address has violated the three revert rule, and I would like to reach consensus ASAP. 
If no one comments to the contrary, I will revert the changes in 24 hours. PwnerELITE (talk) 03:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Support removal. It's nonnecessary information bordering on the crufty/gameguidey. There are cheat codes for everything imaginable. --Izno (talk) 23:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: Alright, I'm taking action to remove it. PwnerELITE (talk) 07:02, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  RFC:Disputed material 

message: Does it?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.115.127 (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: Please reference a gaming site.  This is not the place for discussing logistics. EganioTalk 09:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

text: Ask on the reference desk.--Phoenix-wiki 19:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Does the game work on Vista? 

message: Any particular reason almost every mention of Windows is listed as "Microsoft Windows?"  You don't see it saying "Sony Playstation 2" a million times, and it makes for a very uncomfortable read.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.16.42 (talk) 23:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text: "...is possible to confuse "Windows" with something else"  like what?  68.228.. has a good point.  Astronaut (talk) 00:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well, for a start, windows. Julianhall (talk) 14:29, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Only a complete idiot would make that kind of confusion!  I think it would be sufficient to mention "Microsoft Windows" once, and thereafter refer to "Windows" (with a capital "W" and no link).  Astronaut (talk) 18:05, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Well yeah. The capital "W" should be sufficient after the initial "Microsoft Windows". Julianhall (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Microsoft? 

message: The article states that GTA3 is the first 3D title in the series. If I'm not mistaken, GTA2 was 3D. It was a top-down view point, but the buildings and vehicles were built on 3D models.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.70.142.184 (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Mind you, GTA1 shares the same game engine as GTA2's, so GTA1 technically is the first 3D GTA game. But both games are largely two-dimensional in movement, so I'm unsure how to clarify this. - 60.50.246.125 (talk) 15:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  first 3D? 

message: There is no need for the list to exist. It is simply full of fluff and unnecessary plot details that need to be cut down. All of the characters can easily be summed up between the character and plot sections. Characters that have a role all throughout the story can receive basic descriptions within the character section, while characters only related to the plot can simply be mentioned within the plot section. TTN (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
thread_title: Merging List of characters in Grand Theft Auto III

message: Anyone else think that Purple Nines Bug is significant enough to list on the Wikipedia page regarding GTA3?  I personally would have benefitted greatly from knowing about the bug before I got hit with it.  I finished GTA3 and started a new game in order to try to get 100% completion.  Nothing more frustrating than getting almost completely done with the game only to discover than getting 100% finished became impossible.  Without the wikipedia entry, people are very unlikely to find out about this bug until AFTER it happens to them.  I'd like to try to resolve some of that and make it more apparent to people BEFORE they play.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.245.194 (talk) 19:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Wikipedia is not a gaming tutorial or a hack guide. The information is relatively insignificant compared to the other content in the article. Remove section. Netalarmtalk 19:47, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: No, it is not significant enough for inclusion here.  There are plenty of other GTA III sites on the Internet for this stuff.  This encyclopedia isn't one of them.  ArcAngel (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Yet you think the inclusion of the cheats etc... under the Notes section is significant enough to stay in the article?  I agree its hard to draw the line, but I think major problems with games that prevent completion are significant enough to be added to ANY wikipedia page.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.237.227 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: Thank you for bringing attention to that, it has now been removed.  ArcAngel (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
replies: text: The mention of clipping etc in the reception section has been removed, because it's not sourced.  If it was mentioned in a review, and sourced, then it could be included.  Same for this glitch.  If you can find a reliable source mentioning it, that's the first step.  Geoff B (talk) 22:44, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Purple Nines Bug/Glitch 

message: I would like to clarify that there is no grenade launcher in III. A grenade launcher was featured in the beta version of Vice City, but it was later removed from the final version. 203.161.84.114 (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
thread_title:  Some Idiot Put False Information In The Weapons Section 

message: I've only managed to find one piece of documentation in regards to the outcome of the suit which was filed. However, I was wondering if there was a more up-to-date or another source to confirm the sentence I added under Controversy. If anybody sees flaws in it, or finds another source to verify/confirm, or disprove, feel free to replace it. 
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/TCA/PDF/092/MetroPropertyOPN.pdf  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephyboy (talk • contribs) 05:14, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
thread_title:  Court Case Outcome 

message: It is WP:INUNIVERSE to refer to the protagonist as Claude. This article is concerned with the context in which the game presented itself. At the time of the game's release, the protagonist was nameless. It is anachronistic to say that the game features a character called Claude. This facet was part of a different work. The article should reflect this by calling the character "the protagonist". ArtistScientist (talk) 09:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Bump. I see what you're pointing out but remember that the name Claude actually exists internally within the programming of GTA III. 85.247.148.219 (talk) 07:45, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Name of the protagonist 

message: Many have experienced to play this mode that is really nice as it doesn't interfere into the plot and missions, but improves graphics in GTA III and cars, so does it deserve to be mentioned in the article? My first GTA game was this mode, I like it so much. What do you think, guys?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.104.145.242 (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Real GTA III Mode 

message: I can see there are pictures supposed to be in those two sections but I think they're either corrupt or something else. Regardless they need to be tended to. --Matt723star (talk) 15:47, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
thread_title: Story and Weapons sections

message: I've been wanting to give this one a rewrite worthy of its subject matter for some time now, but I wouldn't choose to invest the time if I had to deal with British English conventions. Would anyone object to a new version in American English if I were to rewrite the whole thing from scratch? There is no case of strong national ties to this topic, and if there was, I think it'd swing American anyway (set in NYC, parody of American culture, released first in NA, etc.) Anyway, open offer, but I don't want to waste my time. czar ⨹ 02:00, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: British English isn't a problem, and really shouldn't be a barrier for you. I'll happily volunteer to go over your re-write and change any American-English to British English. I'm sure  and  have this article in their sights after their sterling work on GTA V and IV. I'm sure they'd be happy to help, as would I. - X201 (talk) 09:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
replies: text: Yes, I've been keeping this article in my sights for a while now, and I'd be happy to help in any way possible. -- Rhain1999 (talk to me) 09:20, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
thread_title:  Rewrite from scratch 

message: I was trying to archive. 110.22.50.32 (talk) 05:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
thread_title:  Trying to archive 

message: I appreciate what you're trying to do by adding Settings and Characters sections to both this article and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, but neither article needs such sections. I'd like to break down each section and explain:
Setting
* The only information worth keeping in this section is the opening two sentences of III—the game takes place in Liberty City (based on NYC) and the city consists of three boroughs which become accessible throughout the narrative—and the tiny first sentence in Vice City. In both cases, this information is already discussed elsewhere.
* The information about the settings being used in later games is not relevant to this section, which is why it is mentioned in the Legacy section.
* The games taking place in the "3D universe" is irrelevant to the average reader, and adds very little to the information about the settings of the games.
Characters
* These entire sections mention one character each: the protagonist. The majority of the section focuses on development information.
* In fact, the section reads like a Development section: the majority of the sections just discuss development information (like why the team decided to make Claude mute). This information is much more suitable in the Story and characters subsection within Development, which is where it originally belonged.
* The listing of actors violates WP:GAMECRUFT. It's just unnecessary trivia.
* The Plot sections do a sufficient job at listing the most important characters and their context within the narrative at the same time. This Characters section is unnecessary.
I really wanted to avoid coming across as the owner of these articles, because that is most certainly untrue—Wikipedia is a collaboration, and I welcome all contributions. However, these particular contributions add nothing to the articles besides repetition and trivia. This information exists elsewhere in the articles, in locations where it fits more seamlessly, and I believe it should stay that way. I hope you understand. – Rhain ☔ 15:58, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
thread_title:  Setting and Characters sections