Talk:Sturmgeschütz III

message: We've been changing one of the leading sentences back and forth. 
"It was built on the chassis of the Panzer III tank. Initially intended as a mobile, armoured light gun for infantry support, the StuG was continually modified and was widely employed as a tank destroyer"
The previous edit implied that it was modified until 1942 at which point it became widely used as a tank destroyer. Neither the previous version nor the current one is perfect.... and this can still be improved. My objections to the previous version are: 
a) Stugs were used in the antiarmor role before 1942.
b) Stugs continued to be modified with different features long after 1942. For example, the late 1944/early 45 Stugs are very different from those produced in 1943. 
c) We might want to avoid the term 'tank destroyer' altogether since it is a US term that might imply US doctrine for these types of vehicles. 
So maybe we can work together to come up with a sentence that captures all the meanings we intend. Certainly the fitting of the longer 75mm in 1942 made it more effective in the antiarmor role, but that's not really what the lead paragraph says (yet)....DMorpheus 20:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
thread_title:  Continuous modifications & usage as 'tank destroyer' 

message: Thirty Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausführung G assault guns (Ps 531-1 to 30) arrived in late spring 1943. This was according to contract #1189 with Germany (that stipulated a delivery of 45 tanks). They arrived in Pori in three shipments: 6 July (10), 13 August (8) and 3 September 1943 (12). The purchase was not presented to the Ministry Committee until 8 October 1943. The Stu 40 assault guns were new production vehicles with standard German equipment. They were produced at Alkett (Altmärkische Kettenwek GmbH) in Berlin (10) and at MIAG (Mühlenbau und Industrie AG) in Braunschweig (19). The hull of one assault gun was manufactured by MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-Nürnberg) to the PzKpfw III Ausf. M specification.
The assault guns delivered in 1944 (Ps 531-31 to 59) were Sturmgeschütz III Ausf. G models. The reason for the new designation  was that a new assault gun based on the PzKpfw IV entered production at the beginning of the year. So to tell the two assault guns apart, the hull designation (III or IV) was added. A total of 29 StuG III Asuf. G assault guns were delivered to Finland before the German arms aid finally was canceled. These last guns arrived in five batches on 29 June (5), 2 July (7), 6 July (3), 3 August (6) and 6 August (8). More assault guns were on their way but returned when the armistice begun. --MoRsE 23:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: It started as StuG III and ended as StuG III, Sturmgeschütz 40 was just something like a nickname because of the longer Sturmkanone 40 it used from Ausf. F onwards but it was rarely used in official documents. The StuG IV was never called StuG 40. What is a Stu 40K ? --Denniss 23:58, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
replies: text: The names changed during production and it was not until after the introduction of the StuG IV, when the "III" part was introduced for earlier models:
;Sturmgeschütz Ausführung A: Known as StuG III Ausf. A after January 1944.
;Sturmgeschütz Ausführung B
;Sturmgeschütz Ausführung C
;Sturmgeschütz Ausführung D
;Sturmgeschütz Ausführung E
;Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausführung F: Armed with a 7.5 cm StuK 40 L/43 or L/48. The "40" part started to appear when the new long barrel gun was introduced.
;Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausführung F/8: Armed with a 7.5 cm StuK L/48
;Sturmgeschütz 40 Ausführung G
;Sturmgeschütz III Ausführung G: "Stu 40" was changed into "StuG III" when the new StuG IV (based on the PzKpfw IV chassis was introduced in January 1944. Subsequently the different models were known as StuG IIIs and IVs
;Sturmhaubitze 42 Ausführung G: Abbrevated as "10.5 cm StuH 42 Ausf. G"
;Sturmgeschütz IV: Abbrevated as "StuG IV", please observe that no "Ausführung" was used for this model
--MoRsE 06:54, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Finnish StuGs 

message: Hello from Germany here! I've heard about remote controlled machine guns on different SPGs by now, including at least the Hetzer and I was wondering if that's one of those in the picture. 84.134.244.141 (talk) 04:10, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Yes, the mounting was the same as the one on the jagdpanzer 38(t). DMorpheus (talk) 15:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Thanks for the quick reply. May I ask why there's no mention of it in the article then? I think it's rather interesting to know that they had remote controlled MGs for their SPGs back then. 84.134.220.135 (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  Why not add it yourself? FYI, not *all* Stugs had the remote-control MG, only very late models of the Stug-III and Stug-IV. Even today remote-control machinegun mounts are rare. There's one on the US Stryker - the RWS or 'Remote weapons station' includes a bunch of capabilities including the remote-control firing of the weapon. DMorpheus (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
replies: text:  I guess I could but I don't want to interfere with the work of the article's author. :> Plus I don't have any proper information about it right now. Anyway, I didn't mean it like that. I was just surprised to see a version with the RC on the page and couldn't find anything in the article itself and thus asked about it. FYI, I'm well aware that it wasn't the usual equipment for every StuG out there ;) 84.134.220.135 (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
thread_title:  Remote-control MG mount 

message: The video on the page of a STUG III maneuvering is not a real STUG, its actually an FV432 APC with the body modified to look like a Stug. 
A replica like this was built for the movie Band Of Brothers, they took two half of FV432s and merged them together so it could have 6 road wheels and be the right size. This replica here only has 5 road wheels. The video should probably be taken off the page since its a replica built off of a modern day APC and not the real thing. Pokeoddsponge (talk) 05:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
replies: text:  Agreed, it is simply not a Stug so I removed it. Regards, DMorpheus (talk) 17:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  video on page 

message: Under "Operators", Germany is not listed...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.106.3 (talk) 09:01, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
thread_title:  Germany 

message: "The artillery of the time was heavy and not mobile enough to keep up with the advancing infantry to destroy bunkers, pillboxes, and other minor obstacles with direct-fire. Although the problem was well-known in the German army, it was General Erich von Manstein who is considered the father of the Sturmartillerie. This is because the initial proposal was from (then) Colonel Erich von Manstein and submitted to General Ludwig Beck in 1935, suggesting that Sturmartillerie ("assault artillery") units should be used in a direct-fire support role for infantry divisions."
Those sentences need to be re-worked.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.136.0 (talk) 11:27, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
thread_title:  General von Mastein was a well-known problem? 

message: Me knowingly Sweden only had a couple for testing and evaluation post war. No operational. Whereas Norway actually had some operational http://www.achtungpanzer.com/norwegian-panzers.htm.
Kind regards
Hans
 
158.169.9.14 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
thread_title:  Operators: Sweden (Few operational Postwar) No - Norway (Few operational Postwar) Yes 

message: I think the Sturmgeschütz page should be merged into this one, as they are both intrinsically and substantially the same article.86.178.3.143 (talk) 13:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: And the Sturmgeschütz IV? GraemeLeggett (talk) 20:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: Well looking at the umbrella article Sturmgeschütz, it is pretty poor in comparison to the article about the specific weapons! Logically if a merge is not the answer, the article about the other weapons should be expanded and improved to list the other examples of the type.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.208.6 (talk) 15:35, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
replies: text: No, if a merger is to take place it should be between Sturmgeschütz and assault gun. Andyvphil (talk) 02:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Merge: [[Sturmgeschütz]] → [[Sturmgeschütz III]]

message: This word really just means "design" or "model". Ausf B is "Model B" or "B Model". Not sure how to deal with the many instances of this abbreviation that come up in the article. Leaving them untranslated creates a reading difficulty. Rumiton (talk) 14:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
thread_title: Ausführung

message: "This vehicle likely suffered a catastrophic internal explosion, detaching the casemate from the hull".  This is classic synthesis and/or original research.  Editors are not here to guess what the facts are - we require references, despite what may appear obvious in this case.  Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Unreferenced photo caption 

message: After the battle of Kursk Hitler received reports that Stug III performed better than Panzer 3 and 4 tanks with certain limitation about its employment. After this battle, Panzer 3 production was stopped and all Panzer 3 chassis production wes entirely dedicated to Stug III.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2F0C:20BF:FFFF:0:0:BC19:8B76 (talk) 06:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
thread_title:  Stug 3 replacing the Panzer 3 production completly by 1943 

message: I check pages listed in :Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of :Sturmgeschütz III's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Panzer Tracts 23":
From Panzer IV: 
From Marder III: 
From Panther tank: 
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 10:18, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
thread_title:  Orphaned references in [[:Sturmgeschütz III]] 

message: Why is this given a column in the table?  It's a Soviet gun, not a German one.  It is not mentioned anywhere else in the article so I infer that this was not a regular variant of the StuG III.
It might be nice to add a row to this table specifying an estimate of the number produced of each variant.  That would be an indication of its importance.  Of course it might be hard to find those numbers.
DHR (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
replies: text: Performance of StuG III vs IS-2 (IS-122) and vice versa --Denniss (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
thread_title:  Performance against enemy vehicles: gun: 122 mm A-19